<div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 6:46 PM, Robyn Bergeron <<a href="mailto:robyn.bergeron@gmail.com">robyn.bergeron@gmail.com</a>> wrote: <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> <div class="im">On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 6:20 AM, Joerg Simon <<a href="mailto:jsimon@fedoraproject.org">jsimon@fedoraproject.org</a>> wrote: > Hi Gregory, > > if a FOSS community starts to deal to much with itself it could be, that focus > gets lost and is not healthy. > I think there is a risk to fail if one is trying to succesfully transport > business measurement techniques one to one from business world into a FOSS > Project. Measurement is about control and business controlls will not work > here. But maybe we can adopt some of it! Please, this is not meant as a > discouragement, it is a good idea to learn how things work in FOSS first - i > know you are very eager to start and that is the reason i try provide you an > answer for your questions - maybe we can achieve something great by combine > things from both world. </div>I would agree that there is definitely not a 1:1 from FOSS to the business world. I used to work for a Very Big Processor company, where most things came out of a marketing plan, and I would be willing to be a very large sum of money (or at least, a coffee for someone!) that if employees came to work and started doing something that was not on the plan, upper management would have had numerous seizures. And god forbid if people who didn't even work there started showing up and doing things. I'd also bet (now i'm up to two coffees!) that if Linus had had a marketing team defining a list of project requirements, we would all be typing our emails on a different type of machine right now. </blockquote><div> >>>There have been several articles on places such as CNET and the like which highlight the deficit of linux/open source looking at the marketing perspective. I believe that marketing is key to strategy and development in any organization, anywhere is the world. </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> That is not to say that Marketing, specifically the strategic marketing end of things, doesn't have a role in Fedora or Linux. FOSS simply has a different way of going about things; users see gaps, or room for improvements, and they come and fix it, and become participants in the overall community. Many of these community members are doing this on their own time</blockquote><div> >>> I know, I am one of them. </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> , not as part of their jobs; if they wanted someone to dictate to them what they should be working on, they would probably just go and work longer hours at their jobs. Strategic marketing, in my opinion, should be a guiding light for the engineers. Imagine if a group of people got together and decided to build a road, so they just do it (I'll just ignore the part about how the government is totally going to come and slap them around for not having permits and whatnot). These road engineers, who are busting their butts doing an awesome job for the greater good, don't want people nitpicking them to death on what they aren't doing; they might, however, appreciate information like, "Oh hey, you guys are aware that 6 miles up the road you haven't built yet is a huge chasm - you might want to start thinking about how to build a bridge!" or "Hey guys...we just talked to the people in the city, and it looks like you might need an additional lane for all the traffic you're going to be getting." And when the road is done, it never hurts to let them know that - hey! - 95% of the community thinks that your road is freakin awesome. </blockquote><div> >>>Possibly? </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> Basically, doing end-user research accomplishes a few things - it lets engineering know what is going right, and what is not going so right, and maybe what can be done to fix it. There are also tons of untapped potential community members out there; if we present them with a list of ways to participate, rather than expecting them to find a niche on their own, we can get more participants. </blockquote><div> >>>EXACTLY!!!! How will anyone new to the area be able to find your "house" without a map or directions? </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> I'm pretty sure that was fairly incoherent. I'll be going to find some caffeine now. :) </blockquote><div> >>>Don't worry. You were pretty coherent :) </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> -robyn <div><div></div><div class="h5"> > > > On Wednesday 14 October 2009 14:22:11 Gregory Zysk wrote: >> One thing I would like to start with to help all of you form a marketing >> mindset is to ask the question of "What happened in June of 2009 within the >> Fedora Project? >> >> As you can see: <a href="https://fedorahosted.org/fama/wiki/AmbassadorMetrics" target="_blank">https://fedorahosted.org/fama/wiki/AmbassadorMetrics</a> views >> that we have had a steady increase since measurement began in January of >> 2006. That is until June of 2009. > > Just for notice - Fedora is far more than the Ambassadors Group which is only > a (large) sub-project > >> Once we can answer this question, we can begin to answer these >> sub-questions: >> 1) Who were these ambassadors? > > In the past the Ambassador Group was often used by new Contributors as an > entry level Group - which is what the Ambassador Group is definitely not - > because you have not only to present Fedora as an OS - also the Project itself > and therefore it is imperative to know the project better than anybody else. > This is the reason why we have established a strong mentoring process and have > a new membership process. > > You can see the result, who they are where they are from ... > for the last month's here > <a href="https://fedorahosted.org/fama/report/6" target="_blank">https://fedorahosted.org/fama/report/6</a> > >> 2) What specific contributor groups were they apart of? > > this should be easy to get from FAS by writing a script - is there a > volunteer around ;) ? > >> 3) Where did they go after they left the ambassador group? > > You will notice the incursion in Jun 09 this was a big clean up > of inactive accounts > <a href="http://kitall.blogspot.com/2009_07_01_archive.html" target="_blank">http://kitall.blogspot.com/2009_07_01_archive.html</a> > > > Hope this helps to clarify a bit > > cu Joerg > > -- > Joerg (kital) Simon > <a href="mailto:jsimon@fedoraproject.org">jsimon@fedoraproject.org</a> > <a href="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/JoergSimon" target="_blank">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/JoergSimon</a> > <a href="http://kitall.blogspot.com" target="_blank">http://kitall.blogspot.com</a> > Key Fingerprint: > 3691 0989 2DCA 58A2 8D1F 2CAC C823 558E 5B5B 5688 > </div></div>> -- <div><div></div><div class="h5">> Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > <a href="mailto:Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com">Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com</a> > <a href="https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list" target="_blank">https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list</a> > -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list <a href="mailto:Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com">Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com</a> <a href="https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list" target="_blank">https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list</a> </div></div></blockquote></div> -- Gregory Zysk <a href="https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Gmzysk">https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Gmzysk</a> Fingerprint: 4643 E1AE 1AAD 85D4 6276 7C42 3591 A189 B8BF 04D6