From gdk at redhat.com Tue Mar 7 22:07:08 2006 From: gdk at redhat.com (Greg DeKoenigsberg) Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 17:07:08 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fedora-mentors-list] Re-introduction, re-launch, comments? Message-ID: So this list has been basically empty this year -- no posts so far in all of 2006. Which is a shame; it's an idea with potential. Why hasn't it succeeded? My idea: I don't think people know what is asked of them, as mentors. Let me make a proposal, and see what you guys think of it. === The Fedora Mentors program is a way of *guaranteeing* real-time, meaningful, specific help to people who come to IRC to ask for it. How can we do that? Simple: every Approved Fedora Mentor (tm) pledges to spend one hour a week, every week, on IRC. Just one hour -- but that hour is advertised heavily. As in, posted to the wiki, and as the title of the #fedora channel on freenode, and sent to all the Fedora forums. The Mentors would be the Go To People for newbies in the Fedora project. Each Approved Fedora Mentor (tm) must have deep experience in at least one of the Fedora projects or SIGs (special interest groups). Over time, we'd be sending LOTS of people here. Imagine: college students worldwide, looking for help on projects. Business people, looking to prove that open source is right for them. One hour a week. Maybe it's just trolling Google to help people who can't help themselves; maybe it's patiently explaining how to burn Fedora CDs for someone who's using Windows. Maybe it's troubleshooting NetworkManager for the zillionth time. Maybe it's explaining the internals of the Extras build system. The most important thing, though: for that one hour, the Mentors are GUARANTEED to be there. Backed up by Fedora's good name. Is one hour a week worth it? Can you do it? Can you commit to it? I'd love to hear your thoughts. --g ------------------------------------------------------------- Greg DeKoenigsberg || Fedora Project || fedoraproject.org Be an Ambassador || http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors ------------------------------------------------------------- From duffy at redhat.com Tue Mar 7 23:26:06 2006 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2006 18:26:06 -0500 Subject: [Fedora-mentors-list] Re-introduction, re-launch, comments? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <440E168E.2030704@redhat.com> Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote: > So this list has been basically empty this year -- no posts so far in all > of 2006. Which is a shame; it's an idea with potential. > > Why hasn't it succeeded? My idea: I don't think people know what is asked > of them, as mentors. Is the problem that mentors aren't available, or that people aren't seeking help? I had my first mentee contact me this week... and I've been listed on the Mentors page for months... are the rest of the mentors seeing a similar lack of mentees? Could be that it's *really* hard to find the mentors page? There is no static navigation on the wiki onto which it could be added... the front page of the wiki, pretty much the only navigation device besides the search box, is a bit of a mess and not very visually digestible... there is a link to the mentors page there after a bit of scrolling, but it's not really explained so well either, e.g., when you link to it, it should be made clear - "People who need mentors, go here!" rather than "People who want to be mentors, go here!" I mean, obviously you want both, but newbies might avoid the current link thinking it's not meant for them. In the short-term, assuming making new/potential contributors feel welcome is a high priority (which I think it should be :) ), why not have some sort of 'banner ad' to suck in newbies, maybe point them to an intermediary page with a newbie FAQ (want to help yourself?), here's a list of people you can bug with questions (talk to a real person!), and a link to the HelpWanted page (what is it that you want to do?) I threw something together in inkscape, I have no idea of the feasibility of having it added but I have the svg for it if anyone thinks its a good idea: http://people.redhat.com/duffy/misc/fedoramentor-banner.png ~m From gdk at redhat.com Tue Mar 7 23:31:10 2006 From: gdk at redhat.com (Greg DeKoenigsberg) Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 18:31:10 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fedora-mentors-list] Re-introduction, re-launch, comments? In-Reply-To: <440E168E.2030704@redhat.com> References: <440E168E.2030704@redhat.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 7 Mar 2006, [ISO-8859-1] M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > Is the problem that mentors aren't available, or that people aren't > seeking help? Dunno. But I think we need to solve both sides of the problem: awareness and commitment. > Could be that it's *really* hard to find the mentors page? There is no > static navigation on the wiki onto which it could be added... the front > page of the wiki, pretty much the only navigation device besides the > search box, is a bit of a mess and not very visually digestible... there > is a link to the mentors page there after a bit of scrolling, but it's > not really explained so well either, e.g., when you link to it, it > should be made clear - "People who need mentors, go here!" rather than > "People who want to be mentors, go here!" I mean, obviously you want > both, but newbies might avoid the current link thinking it's not meant > for them. I think you're right. In fact, I think that people don't even know to look for it. > In the short-term, assuming making new/potential contributors feel > welcome is a high priority (which I think it should be :) ), why not > have some sort of 'banner ad' to suck in newbies, maybe point them to an > intermediary page with a newbie FAQ (want to help yourself?), here's a > list of people you can bug with questions (talk to a real person!), and > a link to the HelpWanted page (what is it that you want to do?) I threw > something together in inkscape, I have no idea of the feasibility of > having it added but I have the svg for it if anyone thinks its a good > idea: > > http://people.redhat.com/duffy/misc/fedoramentor-banner.png Ooh. I like that. I think we could do that almost immediately. The critical thing, though, is to make sure that the current Mentors can *actually* do what's asked of them. And that's also what this email is partly about. Mentors, I'm calling you. Fall in! Report for duty! :) --g ------------------------------------------------------------- Greg DeKoenigsberg || Fedora Project || fedoraproject.org Be an Ambassador || http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors ------------------------------------------------------------- From stickster at gmail.com Wed Mar 8 00:36:45 2006 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2006 19:36:45 -0500 Subject: [Fedora-mentors-list] Re-introduction, re-launch, comments? In-Reply-To: References: <440E168E.2030704@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1141778205.1965.32.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2006-03-07 at 18:31 -0500, Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote: > On Tue, 7 Mar 2006, [ISO-8859-1] M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > > http://people.redhat.com/duffy/misc/fedoramentor-banner.png > > Ooh. I like that. I think we could do that almost immediately. Superb! > The critical thing, though, is to make sure that the current Mentors can > *actually* do what's asked of them. And that's also what this email is > partly about. > > Mentors, I'm calling you. Fall in! Report for duty! :) I can easily commit to an hour or more a week. I also have been on the list for some time. I've been contacted by a couple people "out of band" and either I answered all their questions or they didn't follow up once I answered. I remain willing and ready to help. -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 Fedora Documentation Project: http://fedora.redhat.com/projects/docs/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 191 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From sankarshan.mukhopadhyay at gmail.com Wed Mar 8 02:20:55 2006 From: sankarshan.mukhopadhyay at gmail.com (Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay) Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2006 07:50:55 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-mentors-list] Re-introduction, re-launch, comments? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <440E3F87.1090100@gmail.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote: > So this list has been basically empty this year -- no posts so far in all > of 2006. Which is a shame; it's an idea with potential. > > Why hasn't it succeeded? My idea: I don't think people know what is asked > of them, as mentors. o We have not talked about it. We have not blogged about it. We have not pimped it enough. o Should we have a mentor banner/sticker/logo on personal websites/blogs/whatever foo we do ? (www.fedora-mentors.org perhaps...) > How can we do that? Simple: every Approved Fedora Mentor (tm) pledges to > spend one hour a week, every week, on IRC. Err...do both my logins count ? ;) No on a serious note, we might look at the way GNOME BUG days are handled. Declaring an all hands mentor day for a particular topic and giving it serious love is something that can really change the way we do our business. > Just one hour -- but that hour is advertised heavily. As in, posted to > the wiki, and as the title of the #fedora channel on freenode, and sent to > all the Fedora forums. The Mentors would be the Go To People for newbies > in the Fedora project. Mentors (for their respective fields) also could have a short document (nothing fancy) ready that provides the new mentee pointers to where to go, where to begin, what to expect and what are the usual suspect URLs. Myself and Ramakrishna Reddy (who is too lazy to put his name up on the wiki) are interacting with our first batch who are teaching us some lessons in *being prepared*. > Over time, we'd be sending LOTS of people here. Imagine: college students > worldwide, looking for help on projects. Business people, looking to > prove that open source is right for them. In all the presentations that Fedora has please have 1 slide about the Mentor Project when you talk about HowTo Contribute to Fedora. > Is one hour a week worth it? Can you do it? Can you commit to it? You got it. - -Sankarshan - -- You see things; and you say 'Why?'; But I dream things that never were; and I say 'Why not?' - George Bernard Shaw -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Red Hat - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFEDj+HXQZpNTcrCzMRAlfeAJ4kmVeEkNUqgLWy52WP7D2KOjmrwACgkgcr FPDT+In7CiZzysWZ8Bw1oHk= =k7fX -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From yzzorro at gmail.com Wed Mar 8 02:40:46 2006 From: yzzorro at gmail.com (yzzorro) Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 10:40:46 +0800 Subject: [Fedora-mentors-list] A member's proposal Message-ID: <4d5d730a0603071840t19a2ec0ex6c052126b8cec048@mail.gmail.com> All administrators: Firstly, i want to say that i love fedora project and i am willing to do something for Fedora Project. it is proud of me to be a contributor to redhat, i am waitting for that, but until now i do not get a chance. I hear from your letters that you find you do not obtain any success in this Fedora-mentors -list project, i think a new thing needs some time to be accepted by most people. Do not lose patience! More and More people will support you. Wait For Chance! --g -- Image Forever, Challenge Forever ! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chickerursr at gmail.com Wed Mar 8 04:50:41 2006 From: chickerursr at gmail.com (satyadhyan chickerur) Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 10:20:41 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-mentors-list] Re: Re-introduction, re-launch, comments? In-Reply-To: <440E3F87.1090100@gmail.com> References: <440E3F87.1090100@gmail.com> Message-ID: dear all, i also feel the same , it appers that mentors are ready but not the mentees , i feel why dont we all join together and work out some thing in the mean time. I am ready for the proposal of one hour IRc ..... cheers , src On 3/8/06, Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote: > > So this list has been basically empty this year -- no posts so far in all > > of 2006. Which is a shame; it's an idea with potential. > > > > Why hasn't it succeeded? My idea: I don't think people know what is asked > > of them, as mentors. > > o We have not talked about it. We have not blogged about it. We have not > pimped it enough. > o Should we have a mentor banner/sticker/logo on personal > websites/blogs/whatever foo we do ? (www.fedora-mentors.org perhaps...) > > > How can we do that? Simple: every Approved Fedora Mentor (tm) pledges to > > spend one hour a week, every week, on IRC. > > Err...do both my logins count ? ;) No on a serious note, we might look > at the way GNOME BUG days are handled. Declaring an all hands mentor day > for a particular topic and giving it serious love is something that can > really change the way we do our business. > > > Just one hour -- but that hour is advertised heavily. As in, posted to > > the wiki, and as the title of the #fedora channel on freenode, and sent to > > all the Fedora forums. The Mentors would be the Go To People for newbies > > in the Fedora project. > > Mentors (for their respective fields) also could have a short document > (nothing fancy) ready that provides the new mentee pointers to where to > go, where to begin, what to expect and what are the usual suspect URLs. > Myself and Ramakrishna Reddy (who is too lazy to put his name up on the > wiki) are interacting with our first batch who are teaching us some > lessons in *being prepared*. > > > Over time, we'd be sending LOTS of people here. Imagine: college students > > worldwide, looking for help on projects. Business people, looking to > > prove that open source is right for them. > > In all the presentations that Fedora has please have 1 slide about the > Mentor Project when you talk about HowTo Contribute to Fedora. > > > Is one hour a week worth it? Can you do it? Can you commit to it? > > You got it. > > - -Sankarshan > > > - -- > > You see things; and you say 'Why?'; > But I dream things that never were; > and I say 'Why not?' - George Bernard Shaw > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.2.6 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Red Hat - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iD8DBQFEDj+HXQZpNTcrCzMRAlfeAJ4kmVeEkNUqgLWy52WP7D2KOjmrwACgkgcr > FPDT+In7CiZzysWZ8Bw1oHk= > =k7fX > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > -- > Fedora-mentors-list mailing list > Fedora-mentors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-mentors-list > -- S.R.Chickerur, Asst.Professor, Department Of Information Technology, Sona College of Technology, Thiagarajar Polytechnic College Road, Salem - 636 005, Tamilnadu, India. Phone : 91 - 427 - 2443545, 2446898, 2447907 Extn : 466 Fax : 91 - 427 - 2449174 Website : www.chickerursr.freeservers.com From duffy at redhat.com Wed Mar 8 05:41:13 2006 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2006 00:41:13 -0500 Subject: [Fedora-mentors-list] Re-introduction, re-launch, comments? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <440E6E79.2010902@redhat.com> Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote: > Just one hour -- but that hour is advertised heavily. As in, posted to > the wiki, and as the title of the #fedora channel on freenode, and sent to > all the Fedora forums. The Mentors would be the Go To People for newbies > in the Fedora project. I can commit to an hour no problem but, is this going to be similar to one of the GNOME Bug Day type events as Sankarshan proposed, or is it more like "office hours" for each mentor? I kind of like the 'Day' type event idea better. ~m From runab at redhat.com Wed Mar 8 06:28:44 2006 From: runab at redhat.com (Runa Bhattacharjee) Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2006 11:58:44 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-mentors-list] Re-introduction, re-launch, comments? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <440E799C.2050201@redhat.com> Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote: Hi, >So this list has been basically empty this year -- no posts so far in all >of 2006. Which is a shame; it's an idea with potential. > >Why hasn't it succeeded? My idea: I don't think people know what is asked >of them, as mentors. > > > I personally do not know what exactly is expected of me as a mentor. To recount an incident, the other day someone popped into #fedora-mentors irc channel looking for help. He said that **he wanted to contribute**. I had to keep questioning him to fully understand his area of interest and then I directed him to the other appropriate channels where he could find people of similar interest as I was not in a position to answer all his questions. As a result, first of all I think the mentors ought to be given a brief outline of how we should interact with new mentees i.e. how to solve their initial queries, provide appropriate direction and help organise themselves. It could be like a questionaire to understand their area of interest. If they are clear about it then its easy for us, it not then we can help them figure it out. The last thing we might be looking here is confusing the mentees with our lack of proper understanding of the processes. I guess Sankarshan already mentioned this in his mail about how their mentees are teaching them about "to be prepared". Secondly the #fedora-mentors channel is very sparsely populated and hardly any word exchanged there all day long. I am logged in there from 9:00 AM to 9:00 PM Indian time and I have hardly seen any conversation since the past 1 month. Probably its because of the lack of visibility of the Fedora-Mentors project as indicated by Maureen. 1 hour a week is pretty much acceptable and people like me who hardly ever need to move out of office during work-time can help back up as well. Imho, the Mentors project ought to be integrated while promoting all the other projects as we have people from all these special groups volunteering in for Mentors. So in case someone is looking for a point of contact, a Mentor is the first thing that comes to mind regards Runa Fedora Mentor - Translation [irc nick: runab or mishti] From duffy at redhat.com Wed Mar 8 06:39:12 2006 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2006 01:39:12 -0500 Subject: [Fedora-mentors-list] Re-introduction, re-launch, comments? In-Reply-To: References: <440E168E.2030704@redhat.com> Message-ID: <440E7C10.1010707@redhat.com> Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote: > On Tue, 7 Mar 2006, [ISO-8859-1] M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > > >>Is the problem that mentors aren't available, or that people aren't >>seeking help? > > Dunno. But I think we need to solve both sides of the problem: awareness > and commitment. True, I agree. >>http://people.redhat.com/duffy/misc/fedoramentor-banner.png > > > Ooh. I like that. I think we could do that almost immediately. Well, here it is in a format/size that could be put up: http://people.redhat.com/duffy/misc/mentorbanner.png ~m From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Wed Mar 8 06:37:09 2006 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2006 12:07:09 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-mentors-list] Re-introduction, re-launch, comments? In-Reply-To: <440E799C.2050201@redhat.com> References: <440E799C.2050201@redhat.com> Message-ID: <440E7B95.8060308@fedoraproject.org> Runa Bhattacharjee wrote: > > > Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote: > Hi, > >> So this list has been basically empty this year -- no posts so far in >> all >> of 2006. Which is a shame; it's an idea with potential. >> >> Why hasn't it succeeded? My idea: I don't think people know what is >> asked of them, as mentors. >> >> >> > I personally do not know what exactly is expected of me as a mentor. > To recount an incident, the other day someone popped into > #fedora-mentors irc channel looking for help. He said that **he wanted > to contribute**. I had to keep questioning him to fully understand his > area of interest and then I directed him to the other appropriate > channels where he could find people of similar interest as I was not > in a position to answer all his questions. We basically have this as a FAQ in http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAQ which leads to http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/HelpWanted. Now its upto to the different project people to come up with a introductory kit for both the mentors and the mentees. An hour a week or so is not a problem but we all need more guidelines preferably in written form. My profile at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/RahulSundaram. -- Rahul From chickerursr at gmail.com Wed Mar 8 07:52:20 2006 From: chickerursr at gmail.com (satyadhyan chickerur) Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 13:22:20 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-mentors-list] Re-introduction, re-launch, comments? In-Reply-To: <440E7B95.8060308@fedoraproject.org> References: <440E799C.2050201@redhat.com> <440E7B95.8060308@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: dear all, i also feel the same , that mentors are ready but not the mentees , i feel why dont we all join together and work out some thing in the mean time. I am ready for the proposal of one hour IRc ..... Also as rahul told we can have a written proposals of sought to have a committee and try to find out to expand the fedora core . cheers , SRC On 3/8/06, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > > Runa Bhattacharjee wrote: > > > > > > > Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote: > > Hi, > > > >> So this list has been basically empty this year -- no posts so far in > >> all > >> of 2006. Which is a shame; it's an idea with potential. > >> > >> Why hasn't it succeeded? My idea: I don't think people know what is > >> asked of them, as mentors. > >> > >> > >> > > I personally do not know what exactly is expected of me as a mentor. > > To recount an incident, the other day someone popped into > > #fedora-mentors irc channel looking for help. He said that **he wanted > > to contribute**. 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Office hours for each mentor, and commitment to a certain number of "Mentor Day" events as well? People might not be able to commit to being around for a whole day -- but one hour, every week, like clockwork, seems like something that *everyone* should be able to commit to. --g ------------------------------------------------------------- Greg DeKoenigsberg || Fedora Project || fedoraproject.org Be an Ambassador || http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors ------------------------------------------------------------- From sankarshan.mukhopadhyay at gmail.com Wed Mar 8 14:42:01 2006 From: sankarshan.mukhopadhyay at gmail.com (Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay) Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2006 20:12:01 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-mentors-list] Re-introduction, re-launch, comments? In-Reply-To: References: <440E6E79.2010902@redhat.com> Message-ID: <440EED39.1050806@gmail.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote: > What about both? Office hours for each mentor, and commitment to a > certain number of "Mentor Day" events as well? Seems reasonable. > People might not be able to commit to being around for a whole day -- but > one hour, every week, like clockwork, seems like something that *everyone* > should be able to commit to. Now that the presence part is more or less resolved :) how to go about catching them and herding them in ? - -Sankarshan - -- You see things; and you say 'Why?'; But I dream things that never were; and I say 'Why not?' - George Bernard Shaw -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Red Hat - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFEDu05XQZpNTcrCzMRAkYEAJ0YC59xsPCX1RgXBN5lvqtHQ2mX1ACgl4ik sqhjP4mnQeOwOT/a4JN3HUg= =JtAP -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From gdk at redhat.com Wed Mar 8 14:55:08 2006 From: gdk at redhat.com (Greg DeKoenigsberg) Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 09:55:08 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fedora-mentors-list] Re-introduction, re-launch, comments? In-Reply-To: <440EED39.1050806@gmail.com> References: <440E6E79.2010902@redhat.com> <440EED39.1050806@gmail.com> Message-ID: > Now that the presence part is more or less resolved :) how to go about > catching them and herding them in ? Ah, not so fast. I want to make *sure* that presence is resolved before we go forward. :) Here's what I propose, in some detail: === 1. Update the Mentors page. a. Add a column for "office hours", in both GMT and local time. b. Contact all mentors and ask them to update page accordingly. c. After a few days, remove whomever hasn't committed. d. Appoint some individual / group to handle feedback, and post that info prominently on the page. Potentially unpleasant duty, but essential, from where I sit; if people come by expecting to find a mentor, and the mentor isn't there, we've got a problem -- and we don't want potential contributors just going away silently. Maybe this is also a "steering committee" of sorts? 2. Advertise the hell out of it. a. Announce to fedora-announce. b. Banner ad on the side nav. 3. Profit! === Feedback welcome. If people generally agree, we should start banging these out pretty quick. --g ------------------------------------------------------------- Greg DeKoenigsberg || Fedora Project || fedoraproject.org Be an Ambassador || http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors ------------------------------------------------------------- From sankarshan.mukhopadhyay at gmail.com Wed Mar 8 15:32:23 2006 From: sankarshan.mukhopadhyay at gmail.com (Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay) Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2006 21:02:23 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-mentors-list] Re-introduction, re-launch, comments? In-Reply-To: References: <440E6E79.2010902@redhat.com> <440EED39.1050806@gmail.com> Message-ID: <440EF907.30008@gmail.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote: > d. Appoint some individual / group to handle feedback, and post > that info prominently on the page. Potentially unpleasant > duty, but essential, from where I sit; if people come by > expecting to find a mentor, and the mentor isn't there, we've > got a problem -- and we don't want potential contributors just > going away silently. Maybe this is also a "steering committee" > of sorts? Could you flesh this out a bit ? I am either not comprehending what you are trying to convey or I am too sleepy for today... - -Sankarshan - -- You see things; and you say 'Why?'; But I dream things that never were; and I say 'Why not?' - George Bernard Shaw -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Red Hat - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFEDvkHXQZpNTcrCzMRAgfrAJ9A8Dw5gcxf5DjiJKM+PQC93Ur1hACgnccJ lFphpmT+TbuheyPupqLFI4w= =70jg -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From caillon at redhat.com Sun Mar 12 00:51:59 2006 From: caillon at redhat.com (Christopher Aillon) Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2006 19:51:59 -0500 Subject: [Fedora-mentors-list] Re-introduction, re-launch, comments? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <441370AF.8070807@redhat.com> On 03/07/2006 05:07 PM, Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote: > So this list has been basically empty this year -- no posts so far in all > of 2006. Which is a shame; it's an idea with potential. > > Why hasn't it succeeded? My idea: I don't think people know what is asked > of them, as mentors. Has it really been a failure? I've helped several people off-list already with packaging issues, mostly via IRC. The Mentors page sort of implies that people should find a mentor in the area of relevant expertise and contact them directly.... From sankarshan.mukhopadhyay at gmail.com Tue Mar 21 05:32:08 2006 From: sankarshan.mukhopadhyay at gmail.com (Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 11:02:08 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-mentors-list] Hacking for Christ: Summer Of Code - Six Months On Message-ID: <441F8FD8.8050207@gmail.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 None of the ten projects shows any sign whatsoever of work having continued after the SoC deadline. Not one. No development-related mailing list traffic, no releases, nothing. It's as if the people vanished off the face of the earth on September 2nd. http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/gerv/archives/2006/03/summer_of_code_six_months_on.html - -> Something that one needs to guard against. - -- You see things; and you say 'Why?'; But I dream things that never were; and I say 'Why not?' - George Bernard Shaw -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFEH4/YXQZpNTcrCzMRAqFfAKC8v/LM+8VER87q//1xNXCYn6YsmACffBMB O696kSPFHZndSsq6bzMo8As= =5Jus -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From runab at redhat.com Tue Mar 21 05:42:52 2006 From: runab at redhat.com (Runa Bhattacharjee) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 11:12:52 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-mentors-list] Re-introduction, re-launch, comments? In-Reply-To: <441370AF.8070807@redhat.com> References: <441370AF.8070807@redhat.com> Message-ID: <441F925C.5040900@redhat.com> Christopher Aillon wrote: > > Has it really been a failure? I've helped several people off-list > already with packaging issues, mostly via IRC. The Mentors page sort > of implies that people should find a mentor in the area of relevant > expertise and contact them directly.... well, then perhaps the mentors should write in to the fedora-mentors list about whom all they helped during the past week/month and how they went about it so that it acts as a pointer for other mentors as well as initiating further discussions. cheers Runa From nman64 at n-man.com Tue Mar 21 08:18:06 2006 From: nman64 at n-man.com (Patrick Barnes) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 02:18:06 -0600 Subject: [Fedora-mentors-list] Hacking for Christ: Summer Of Code - Six Months On In-Reply-To: <441F8FD8.8050207@gmail.com> References: <441F8FD8.8050207@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200603210218.08749.nman64@n-man.com> On Monday 20 March 2006 23:32, Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay wrote: > None of the ten projects shows any sign whatsoever of work having > continued after the SoC deadline. Not one. No development-related > mailing list traffic, no releases, nothing. It's as if the people > vanished off the face of the earth on September 2nd. > > http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/gerv/archives/2006/03/summer_of_code_six_mon >ths_on.html > > -> Something that one needs to guard against. > I'm inclined to agree. Most of the SoC projects have been ignored by the students since the conclusion of the program. Some, such as the Live CD project started by Darko, continue. Darko has kept in touch with the project and his absence was anticipated and is related to his school. He is likely to return. We have recently lost contact with pootypedia's author, and other projects have met similar fates. All is not lost, but it is a little disappointing. I was close to one of the projects, and have been horribly disappointed in its author's actions since the end of the program. We might have had better luck had the Mentors program been alive and well to engage more of the students. Let's make that a guiding thought for the future. -- Patrick "The N-Man" Barnes nman64 at n-man.com http://www.n-man.com/ Have I been helpful? Rate my assistance! http://rate.affero.net/nman64/ -- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 191 bytes Desc: not available URL: From chasecreek.systemhouse at gmail.com Tue Mar 21 12:56:45 2006 From: chasecreek.systemhouse at gmail.com (Chasecreek Systemhouse) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 07:56:45 -0500 Subject: [Fedora-mentors-list] Re-introduction, re-launch, comments? In-Reply-To: <441F925C.5040900@redhat.com> References: <441370AF.8070807@redhat.com> <441F925C.5040900@redhat.com> Message-ID: <91f88ee20603210456t4d42a098k77c77b7ce5972d30@mail.gmail.com> On 3/21/06, Runa Bhattacharjee wrote: > well, then perhaps the mentors should write in to the fedora-mentors > list about whom all they helped during the past week/month and how they > went about it so that it acts as a pointer for other mentors as well as > initiating further discussions. I personally have helped 30+ students in the last month -- but I teach Linux using FC4 and Red Hat 9 -- so I somehow doubt that counts. =) -- WC (Bill) Jones -- http://youve-reached-the.endoftheinternet.org/ From gdk at redhat.com Wed Mar 29 23:38:12 2006 From: gdk at redhat.com (Greg DeKoenigsberg) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 18:38:12 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fedora-mentors-list] No Internet in FC 5 (fwd) Message-ID: Does anyone want to help this poor soul out? --g ------------------------------------------------------------- Greg DeKoenigsberg || Fedora Project || fedoraproject.org Be an Ambassador || http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors ------------------------------------------------------------- ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 16:28:41 -0700 From: Ben Bullard To: Greg DeKoenigsberg Subject: No Internet in FC 5 Greg DeKoenigsberg, My handle on the Fedora Forum [and others] is Red Knuckles [benny.bullard at gmail.com]. I installed FC 5 on a Linux multiboot [Suse 10.0 and Ubuntu 5.10] 6 days ago. My problem is that I can't access the Internet. Oddly I ran FC 3 and FC 4 on the same machine with no such problem. I posted this under title "No Internet in FC 5" in the Fedora Forum and every other forum I could find that covered Fedora. I only got replies on the Fedora Forum and LinuxQuestions.org and tried everything suggested. Also my Linux users group [lugoj at lugoj.org]. I'm getting desperate and don't know where to turn to for help. Can you help or point me in another direction? I tried to file a bug report on Bugzilla but I'm to much of a newbie to figure it out [don't understand the jargon]. -- Thanks, Newbie, ben bullard From vic_sk at yahoo.com Wed Mar 29 23:42:52 2006 From: vic_sk at yahoo.com (Victor Skovorodnikov) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 15:42:52 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fedora-mentors-list] No Internet in FC 5 (fwd) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060329234252.50099.qmail@web32601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Sure, how? Just to let you know guys, fter trying several different distros over the last few months, I think Fedora is the best :-) Let me know if you need any help. Victor. Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote: Does anyone want to help this poor soul out? --g ------------------------------------------------------------- Greg DeKoenigsberg || Fedora Project || fedoraproject.org Be an Ambassador || http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors ------------------------------------------------------------- ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 16:28:41 -0700 From: Ben Bullard To: Greg DeKoenigsberg Subject: No Internet in FC 5 Greg DeKoenigsberg, My handle on the Fedora Forum [and others] is Red Knuckles [benny.bullard at gmail.com]. I installed FC 5 on a Linux multiboot [Suse 10.0 and Ubuntu 5.10] 6 days ago. My problem is that I can't access the Internet. Oddly I ran FC 3 and FC 4 on the same machine with no such problem. I posted this under title "No Internet in FC 5" in the Fedora Forum and every other forum I could find that covered Fedora. I only got replies on the Fedora Forum and LinuxQuestions.org and tried everything suggested. Also my Linux users group [lugoj at lugoj.org]. I'm getting desperate and don't know where to turn to for help. Can you help or point me in another direction? I tried to file a bug report on Bugzilla but I'm to much of a newbie to figure it out [don't understand the jargon]. -- Thanks, Newbie, ben bullard -- Fedora-mentors-list mailing list Fedora-mentors-list at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-mentors-list --------------------------------- New Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC and save big. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gdk at redhat.com Fri Mar 31 06:14:44 2006 From: gdk at redhat.com (Greg DeKoenigsberg) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 01:14:44 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fedora-mentors-list] MENTORS: some feedback, please. :) Message-ID: All, I've created a draft of a new mentors page. A little simpler, with contact information more readily available. Please take a look and let me know what you think: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MentorsVersionTwo I also introduce here the notion of "rave reviews". Yes, I realize that any "rating system" can be gamed, but I think it's important that people who give their time as mentors have the opportunity to be recognized. In any event, whatever we decide we'd like the Mentors pages to look like, I think it's time to: 1. Verify that everyone on the mentors page still wants to be a mentor, so that we have a solid base we can count on. 2. Start advertising the presence of the mentors page heavily. Mairin put together a great mockup for something we could put in the nav bar; I'd like to implement that, or something similar. 3. Start recruiting heavily for new mentors, with a focus on expanding the areas of expertise for mentoring. More translation/localization mentors, more international members, more free Java mentors, more mentors generally. Just some ideas. I'd love to move forward with them, but only if you all think the changes are useful. --g ------------------------------------------------------------- Greg DeKoenigsberg || Fedora Project || fedoraproject.org Be an Ambassador || http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors -------------------------------------------------------------