[fedora-my] Fwd: FW: Tell Your Friends!

[Eric Yeoh]

On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 11:24 AM, Mohd Hanif<haneps at gmail.com> wrote:
> Eric,
>
> Following up on your banter towards Zaman's post earlier, I was wondering,
> what is your point really?
>
> You said:
> *Nice, another ad for helpdesk. How is that going to further our
> promotion of FOSS?*
>
> First and foremost, what is wrong with working as a Helpdesk? Can you not
> promote FOSS while at the same time working as a Helpdesk? Even a cook can
> promote FOSS(If they really want to, of course)

Nothing wrong, clean and honest job, but how does that benefit FOSS? I
cannot say whether I know many cooks who can do FOSS, but it would be
awesome if they could.

> I, myself have 2-3 friends who used to be helpdesk a while ago are now
> working as a System Engineer in MNC's company and even one of them are
> starting his own IT-related business.

Good for them/him.

> and ... After all, we need to start somewhere do we?*

Indeed we do.

> *You said:*
> I am sorry but you are putting out an ad to support proprietary
> software in a FOSS mailing list. Do not expect to be treated kindly!*
>
> He was merely advertising a vacancy in his company where he works, I did not
> see any logos or words that he said supporting proprietary software as you
> mentioned?

Indeed I jumped the gun on that. I have spoken to T-Systems people and
they were adamant that they only do Windows. As I replied earlier on
the thread, the Managers I spoke to during my interview did not
inspire confidence either.

> Yes we are promoting FOSS, but, we do it the healthy way. I don't want to
> slap my friend just because he uses Microsoft office instead of Open office.

You don't need to slap him/her unless there is mutual consent.

> *
> *
>

I do admit I was git when I replied to his initial post. No excuses. I
was possibly in a bad mood and in retrospect I should have worded it
better. But possibly I lost it when he made assumptions of my
intelligence and degenerated to name calling.

Eric

> 2009/7/31 Eric Yeoh <msiantuxlover at gmail.com>
>
>> Haris,
>>
>> I am attacking the issue not the man. Yes, he has every right to voice
>> his opinions and so can I. But I strongly disagree with what he meant
>> by "the real world".
>>
>> So after being through all the unfortunate events you have gone
>> through at the bank, you would still think it is a good idea to
>> demoralise youngsters so that they can learn "about working in the
>> real world"? And no; to answer your questions, I will not like the
>> audit and the reporting parts, but of course you are already aware of
>> my eventual answer. Who would?
>>
>> Look, you know and I know the many silly things that happens within
>> MNCs. After all you have been through it. As you well said, I am
>> merely stating my point as much as your mate was.
>>
>> And this hostility? I am unsure where it comes from. I make noise?
>>
>> Hmmm...interesting.
>>
>> Eric
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 11:41 PM, Harisfazillah
>> Jamel<linuxmalaysia at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Eric,
>> >
>> > You pick a wrong person to fight with.
>> >
>> > Numbers of us including Sharuzzaman been through for what you had
>> > written. That include freelancing
>> > for many years, joining SMB and many more things.
>> >
>> > Sharuzzaman has the right to write what he is saying
>> > because he being through that.
>> >
>> > I had work with ICT banking sector for 13 years.
>> > You tell me of any shit that I had been through.
>> >
>> > By doing all the bullshit of paper works, audit,
>> > ISO and many procudures do you think I like it?
>> >
>> > Do you like to be audit by two teams of audit every
>> > month?
>> >
>> > Every servers and jobs that you do will be check
>> > and any different in your reports will be questions
>> > and report to higher level.
>> >
>> > What I want to tell you is this. If we want our
>> > young generation to know and fell what, how and
>> > where to get all the exposure let them join
>> > the big companies and MNC. Let them know
>> > office politics, tendang terajang and know new things
>> > that SMB could not give.
>> >
>> > at the end of the day, they will gain knowledge
>> > that our country need....
>> >
>> > Rather than making noise and keep blaming others
>> > lets fix the problems.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 2:43 AM, Eric Yeoh<msiantuxlover at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >> So working in a foreign outsourced company is working in the real
>> >> world? Man, you just insulted the majority of the IT workforce in the
>> >> country. Malaysia is a country which is mostly SMB/SMEs; so those IT
>> >> guys are in Never-Never Land? What about those who are on their own?
>> >> They don't do real work but you do?
>> >>
>> >
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