From gdk at redhat.com Fri Jul 18 15:36:07 2008 From: gdk at redhat.com (Greg Dekoenigsberg) Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 11:36:07 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fedora-olpc-list] First message Message-ID: Welcome to the mailing list for the Fedora OLPC SIG. May it have a long and productive life. Our home on the internet: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/OLPC --g From rms at 1407.org Mon Jul 21 15:44:35 2008 From: rms at 1407.org (Rui Miguel Silva Seabra) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 16:44:35 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-olpc-list] Introducing Rui Message-ID: <20080721154435.GA13077@roque.1407.org> Hello, About a month ago my OLPC XO arrived. I've been slowly trying to get used to it in order to be more helpful in the future. I'd like to help as much as I can. Best, Rui -- Or not. Today is Boomtime, the 56th day of Confusion in the YOLD 3174 + No matter how much you do, you never do enough -- unknown + Whatever you do will be insignificant, | but it is very important that you do it -- Gandhi + So let's do it...? From dfarning at sugarlabs.org Mon Jul 21 15:48:32 2008 From: dfarning at sugarlabs.org (David Farning) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 10:48:32 -0500 Subject: [Fedora-olpc-list] Introduction - David Farning Message-ID: <1216655312.27483.38.camel@dfarning.desktop.org> Greg, thanks for taking this project on. I am David Farning, most places known as dfarning. I originally became involved in OLPC when I got my niece, a fifth grader, an XO for Christmas last year. It has started her on a fascinating journey of discovery. She has become active on wikipedia. As she struggled to get flash working, she became familiar with the command line. Last week I saw her ping google.com when the network connection on her parent's computer went down:) My personal interest is developing a community around the Sugar Learning Environment. In the short term, I will be working on engaging the distributions and increasing Sugar's profile in Open Source Education groups. Thanks dfarning From hpillay at redhat.com Mon Jul 21 15:54:42 2008 From: hpillay at redhat.com (Harish Pillay 9v1hp) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 23:54:42 +0800 Subject: [Fedora-olpc-list] An introduction Message-ID: <4884B142.1040405@redhat.com> Hi. I am Harish Pillay, based in Singapore and working at Red Hat Asia Pacific HQ, also based in Singapore. I have been a user, participant and contributor in many areas within the FOSS space since about 1986 ("open source" was not coined until 1998). I helped set up the Linux Users' Group (Singapore) back in 1993 and have organized 3 conferences (Singapore Linux Conference) in 1999, 2000 and 2001. I have not acquired an XO myself (if I did, I would need atleast 2 - for my 2 sons), but I would like to make sure that educational opportunities and frameworks are expanded using the OLPC model and hence my signing up to this list. Let's make a difference! -- Harish Pillay 9v1hp hpillay at redhat.com +65.9636.9253 gpg id: 746809E3 gpg fingerprint: F7F5 5CCD 25B9 FC25 303E 3DA2 0F80 27DB 7468 09E3 From stickster at gmail.com Mon Jul 21 15:55:16 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 11:55:16 -0400 Subject: [Fedora-olpc-list] Intro Message-ID: <1216655716.27953.2.camel@victoria> My daughter has a OLPC XO, so I plan to lurk here and see if there's any low hanging fruit I can help with. I hope one day to pick up an XO of my own. ;-) -- Paul W. Frields gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://paul.frields.org/ - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In addition to software, I work on whatever management at OLPC and Sugar Labs has no process for. This includes * Creating Pootle projects for announced target countries (Haiti and Cambodia) * Recruiting localizers * Documentation * Reaching out to communities outside development * Language and writing system design and QA * Getting engineers to work on electricity and Internet for villages with microfinance support * Making contact with Obama's campaign advisers * Involving the community in the sales process * Creating a walled garden for schoolchildren to link up around the world * Teacher training * Curriculum redesign * Rethinking textbooks to use available software and knowledge about how children learn * Gathering information on Constructivism and Constructionism, and on successes or failures in OLPC programs * You tell me: What have you been wishing someone would do, but management isn't listening? Please let your friends know that we need help on all of these and more, from all of society worldwide. On development, we need help getting Sugar packages into stock Fedora and Red Hat, and in moving OLPC innovations upstream. We have much infrastructure (Glucose) and dozens of Activities (Fructose) with oodles of bugs. We need virtual machine images for those who run other Linuces, BSDs, and whatever. -- Edward Cherlin End Poverty at a Profit by teaching children business http://www.EarthTreasury.org/ "The best way to predict the future is to invent it."--Alan Kay From tomeu at tomeuvizoso.net Mon Jul 21 19:49:41 2008 From: tomeu at tomeuvizoso.net (Tomeu Vizoso) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 21:49:41 +0200 Subject: [Fedora-olpc-list] introduction Message-ID: <242851610807211249q1cba4e56k7cb66675716d2c4a@mail.gmail.com> Hi all, I'm an OLPC contractor working on Sugar since Oct 2006. I'm pretty excited by Greg's initiative and would love to answer any questions you may have it. Regards, Tomeu From mdshaw89 at gmail.com Mon Jul 21 19:55:36 2008 From: mdshaw89 at gmail.com (Mike Shaw) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 15:55:36 -0400 Subject: [Fedora-olpc-list] Hello from Mike Shaw! Message-ID: Hi Everyone, My name is Mike Shaw and I'm currently an "OLPC Support Gang" volunteer. I have an XO to test with and am interested in helping. l8r, Mike -- Ed: This is worse than when he was just stupid! - from "Sitting Ducks" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From michael at laptop.org Mon Jul 21 20:07:56 2008 From: michael at laptop.org (Michael Stone) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 16:07:56 -0400 Subject: [Fedora-olpc-list] Greetings & Introductions Message-ID: <20080721200755.GC28806@didacte.laptop.org> I'm Michael. I've worked for OLPC for about one year on security, build systems, Fedora packaging, and, most recently, engineering OLPC's next major software release (based on F-9!). Michael P.S. - There are many good entry-points to OLPC's technical community, including: * The OLPC entries on the Fedora packaging wishlist: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PackageMaintainers/WishList#OLPC_Wishlist * #olpc-devel on irc.oftc.net or #sugar on irc.freenode.org. * devel at lists.laptop.org and sugar at lists.laptop.org * Localization: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Localization and http://dev.laptop.org/translate * The OLPC bug tracker: http://dev.laptop.org and a recent release status report (http://lists.laptop.org/pipermail/devel/2008-July/017023.html) * The OLPC Contributors' Program: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Contributors_program In short, please come play! :) From brian at laptop.org Mon Jul 21 20:13:23 2008 From: brian at laptop.org (Brian Jordan) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 16:13:23 -0400 Subject: [Fedora-olpc-list] Hiya Message-ID: <2bcfd3d60807211313o2a070dban188aace33ce63ced@mail.gmail.com> Hi friends, I am Brian Jordan, currently an intern at OLPC working on a Physics playground [1] and generally peddling game development on the XO (faster pygame drawing!). I also made a script [2] that git pulls a bunch of bleeding-edge development versions of activities and symlinks them so they work directly from Sugar. I have an XO and am happy to test things on it. [1] http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Physics_%28activity%29 [2] http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Activity_co-op Brian Jordan From ianweller at gmail.com Mon Jul 21 23:23:23 2008 From: ianweller at gmail.com (Ian Weller) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 18:23:23 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Fedora-olpc-list] intro Message-ID: Hey, I'm Ian, I'm interested in helping out with packaging for OLPC. I package about 10 or so things for Fedora and EPEL, help with the fp.o wiki, art, and websites. Somebody should point me in the right direction on where to start with OLPC packaging, maybe. ;) -- Ian Weller http://ianweller.org GnuPG fingerprint: E51E 0517 7A92 70A2 4226 B050 87ED 7C97 EFA8 4A36 "Technology is a word that describes something that doesn't work yet." ~ Douglas Adams From dsaxena at laptop.org Mon Jul 21 23:57:29 2008 From: dsaxena at laptop.org (Deepak Saxena) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 16:57:29 -0700 Subject: [Fedora-olpc-list] Introduction Message-ID: <20080721235729.GA2086@plexity.net> Hi! I'm Deepak and have recently (6 weeks) joined OLPC as a full time employee to work on all things kernel related including build integration, drivers, power management, etc. If you have any questions about our kernel or want to help out with kernel development or testing, please ping me! Thanks! ~Deepak -- Deepak Saxena From gavin at redhat.com Tue Jul 22 12:24:50 2008 From: gavin at redhat.com (Gavin Romig-Koch) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 08:24:50 -0400 Subject: [Fedora-olpc-list] Intro Message-ID: <4885D192.2010506@redhat.com> Hello, my name is gavin. I am an engineer at Red Hat in support. My background is as a contributer to gcc, g++, glibc, and gdb. I've some experience with Python. I've played with Squeak and EToys for years, though not done anything significant with them. My children and I have two XO's that we play with. I would be interested in seeing/doing/helping Squeak and EToys get packaged up for Fedora. And would be willing to take on whatever other scutt work needs doing. I'm not sure what to do about the Squeak licenceing issue. Has anyone from Fedora contacted VPRI about this? -gavin... From mpgritti at gmail.com Tue Jul 22 13:12:25 2008 From: mpgritti at gmail.com (Marco Pesenti Gritti) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 15:12:25 +0200 Subject: [Fedora-olpc-list] Help with pyabiword review Message-ID: Hello, we would need help with the review of this package: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=456178 Can someone please take it? Marco From rnorwood at redhat.com Tue Jul 22 13:59:05 2008 From: rnorwood at redhat.com (Robin Norwood) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 09:59:05 -0400 Subject: [Fedora-olpc-list] Help with pyabiword review In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20080722095905.55393e84@solitude.devel.redhat.com> On Tue, 22 Jul 2008 15:12:25 +0200 "Marco Pesenti Gritti" wrote: > Hello, > > we would need help with the review of this package: > > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=456178 > > Can someone please take it? I'll take a look at it. And, by the way: Hi, my name is Robin Norwood, I work at Red Hat on the Desktop team. Mostly on python these days. -RN -- Robin Norwood Red Hat, Inc. "The Sage does nothing, yet nothing remains undone." -Lao Tzu, Te Tao Ching From mpgritti at gmail.com Tue Jul 22 14:22:19 2008 From: mpgritti at gmail.com (Marco Pesenti Gritti) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 16:22:19 +0200 Subject: [Fedora-olpc-list] Help with pyabiword review In-Reply-To: <20080722095905.55393e84@solitude.devel.redhat.com> References: <20080722095905.55393e84@solitude.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 3:59 PM, Robin Norwood wrote: > On Tue, 22 Jul 2008 15:12:25 +0200 > "Marco Pesenti Gritti" wrote: > >> Hello, >> >> we would need help with the review of this package: >> >> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=456178 >> >> Can someone please take it? > > I'll take a look at it. Thanks Robin! Marco From rnorwood at redhat.com Tue Jul 22 15:14:12 2008 From: rnorwood at redhat.com (Robin Norwood) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 11:14:12 -0400 Subject: [Fedora-olpc-list] Help with pyabiword review In-Reply-To: References: <20080722095905.55393e84@solitude.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20080722111412.05ec38ca@solitude.devel.redhat.com> On Tue, 22 Jul 2008 16:22:19 +0200 "Marco Pesenti Gritti" wrote: > On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 3:59 PM, Robin Norwood > wrote: > > On Tue, 22 Jul 2008 15:12:25 +0200 > > "Marco Pesenti Gritti" wrote: > > > >> Hello, > >> > >> we would need help with the review of this package: > >> > >> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=456178 > >> > >> Can someone please take it? > > > > I'll take a look at it. > > Thanks Robin! Well, right off the bat, I've run into an issue - it looks like we aren't shipping libabiword in Fedora right now. From the abiword.spec changelog for F9: * Sat Mar 29 2008 Marc Maurer - 1:2.6.0-5 [...] - Don't build libabiword, it's broken; re-enable it when we release abiword 2.8, which generates a proper library Probably the best thing to do is to email Marc and see what he recommends. Feel free to Cc me. Maybe we can convince him to re-include libabiword for now, or find some other solution. I assume in OLPC-land you're just building abiword with libabiword after all? Thanks, -RN -- Robin Norwood Red Hat, Inc. "The Sage does nothing, yet nothing remains undone." -Lao Tzu, Te Tao Ching From rnorwood at redhat.com Tue Jul 22 15:17:05 2008 From: rnorwood at redhat.com (Robin Norwood) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 11:17:05 -0400 Subject: [Fedora-olpc-list] Help with pyabiword review In-Reply-To: <20080722111412.05ec38ca@solitude.devel.redhat.com> References: <20080722095905.55393e84@solitude.devel.redhat.com> <20080722111412.05ec38ca@solitude.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20080722111705.7800e878@solitude.devel.redhat.com> On Tue, 22 Jul 2008 11:14:12 -0400 Robin Norwood wrote: > On Tue, 22 Jul 2008 16:22:19 +0200 > "Marco Pesenti Gritti" wrote: > > > On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 3:59 PM, Robin Norwood > > wrote: > > > On Tue, 22 Jul 2008 15:12:25 +0200 > > > "Marco Pesenti Gritti" wrote: > > > > > >> Hello, > > >> > > >> we would need help with the review of this package: > > >> > > >> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=456178 > > >> > > >> Can someone please take it? > > > > > > I'll take a look at it. > > > > Thanks Robin! > > Well, right off the bat, I've run into an issue - it looks like we > aren't shipping libabiword in Fedora right now. From the abiword.spec > changelog for F9: > > * Sat Mar 29 2008 Marc Maurer - 1:2.6.0-5 > [...] > - Don't build libabiword, it's broken; re-enable it when we release > abiword 2.8, which generates a proper library > > Probably the best thing to do is to email Marc and see what he > recommends. Feel free to Cc me. Maybe we can convince him to > re-include libabiword for now, or find some other solution. > > I assume in OLPC-land you're just building abiword with libabiword > after all? Oops! Just realized I was looking in F-9 and not -devel - looks like libabiword *is* in rawhide. I'll take another look and let you know. Sorry for the noise. :-) -RN -- Robin Norwood Red Hat, Inc. "The Sage does nothing, yet nothing remains undone." -Lao Tzu, Te Tao Ching From michael at laptop.org Tue Jul 22 16:12:42 2008 From: michael at laptop.org (Michael Stone) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 12:12:42 -0400 Subject: [Fedora-olpc-list] Intro In-Reply-To: <4885D192.2010506@redhat.com> References: <4885D192.2010506@redhat.com> Message-ID: <20080722161240.GA15620@didacte.laptop.org> On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 08:24:50AM -0400, Gavin Romig-Koch wrote: > > Hello, my name is gavin. I am an engineer at Red Hat in support. My > background is as a contributer to gcc, g++, glibc, and gdb. I've some > experience with Python. I've played with Squeak and EToys for years, > though not done anything significant with them. My children and I have > two XO's that we play with. I would be interested in > seeing/doing/helping Squeak and EToys get packaged up for Fedora. And > would be willing to take on whatever other scutt work needs doing. Thanks! > I'm not sure what to do about the Squeak licenceing issue. Has anyone > from Fedora contacted VPRI about this? Here are the relevant documents for the squeak-vm and EToys used by OLPC: http://squeakvm.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/trunk/platforms/unix/doc/LICENSE?rev=1569&view=auto http://dev.laptop.org/git?p=projects/etoys;a=blob;f=NOTICE;hb=HEAD If more information is needed, then please contact Kim Rose at (info [at] vpri [dot] org). (Adjust version numbers to suit yourself). Initial packaging work is available for both under http://dev.laptop.org/~bert/public_rpms/joyride/ if you desire it. Michael From gdk at redhat.com Tue Jul 22 16:20:09 2008 From: gdk at redhat.com (Greg Dekoenigsberg) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 12:20:09 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fedora-olpc-list] Intro and meeting proposal Message-ID: Hi all. I'm Greg DeKoenigsberg. I'm a community guy for Red Hat. Thanks to everyone who has joined this list. There's a ton of stuff to do in OLPC/Sugar/Fedoraland. It would be easy for us to lose ourselves in the mountain of work that needs to be done :) so my hope is that we will be able to focus on doing the work that we are best suited to do. There's a lot of low hanging fruit out there for folks who know the ins and outs of Fedora. Here's some of my ideas about how we might get started. === 1. If you are running Fedora right now, please go out and try to install Sugar on Fedora. You will immediately find a whole bunch of issues. :) For example, this is what my process to get Sugar installed and running looked like, a few weeks ago (may have changed since then): As root: yum install sugar yum install xorg-x11-server-Xephyr # which should be a dependency! yum install pygame # should this be a dependency? yum install csound # should this be a dependency? # pygame and csound both needed by Pippy (and doubtless other things) As the user who will be running Sugar: # make the Activities directory to store activities mkdir ~/Activities cd ~/Activities wget http://dev.laptop.org/~erikos/bundles/other/Terminal-10.xo unzip Terminal-10.xo wget http://dev.laptop.org/~erikos/bundles/0.81.2/Pippy-22.xo unzip Pippy-22.xo wget http://dev.laptop.org/~erikos/bundles/Web-90.xo unzip Web-90.xo # Gee, wouldn't be easier if these activities were RPMs? :) Like I say, in the process of just getting Sugar installed, a lot of work items become clear. A lot of low hanging fruit on the "get Sugar working in Fedora" front. My personal goal is to be using Sugar as my fulltime desktop environment as soon as possible. I encourage all of you to take that dare. ;) === 2. We need to figure out what our workflow will be. How do we track tasks? I've used bugzilla, trac, wikis, and so on and so on. All of them work, but we just need to agree how to move forward. For instance: "package Pippy for Fedora". Where does that work item live? Of course, forwarding package review requests straight to the list is a great start. === 3. Meetings! I'm a big, big believer in weekly meetings for things like this. Why? Because meetings are where we all promise to do things, and where we keep those promises week after week. A mailing list is useful, but there's nothing quite like the awkward silence in real time that follows the question "who's going to do this?" to get a project moving forward. :) Therefore, I will propose a meeting time. Friday, 1300 (1pm) Eastern US time, which is 1700 GMT right now, I believe. Any takers? Any counterproposals? Important to get started soon, while people are interested and we have critical mass. At last count, 52 people joined this mailing list in the last day. That's a great start, and I don't want to waste the momentum. --g From sebastian at when.com Tue Jul 22 17:59:08 2008 From: sebastian at when.com (Sebastian Dziallas) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 19:59:08 +0200 Subject: [Fedora-olpc-list] Intro and meeting proposal In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48861FEC.3090402@when.com> Greg Dekoenigsberg wrote: > > Hi all. I'm Greg DeKoenigsberg. I'm a community guy for Red Hat. > Thanks to everyone who has joined this list. Hi :) My name is Sebastian Dziallas and I'm currently mainly focussed on education and the creation of spins for Fedora. I'm also the founder of the Education SIG here (http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Education). > There's a ton of stuff to do in OLPC/Sugar/Fedoraland. It would be easy > for us to lose ourselves in the mountain of work that needs to be done > :) so my hope is that we will be able to focus on doing the work that we > are best suited to do. There's a lot of low hanging fruit out there for > folks who know the ins and outs of Fedora. Yeah! Maybe we could even get some kind of collaboration between the various efforts related to education currently in Fedora... > Here's some of my ideas about how we might get started. > > 1. If you are running Fedora right now, please go out and try to install > Sugar on Fedora. You will immediately find a whole bunch of issues. :) [...snip...] > Like I say, in the process of just getting Sugar installed, a lot of > work items become clear. A lot of low hanging fruit on the "get Sugar > working in Fedora" front. As some people already suggested and since it has already been discussed some time ago, I'd like to propose a sugar-based Fedora spin. The main problem would be a legal one: If we want to call such a spin "Fedora", we can only include Fedora bits - so no wget or anything like this. But therefore, the activities need to be packaged as RPMs... sounds like some work. ;) But such a spin would also decrease the difficulties for new users to start with sugar - they could just download the spin and try it out first. > My personal goal is to be using Sugar as my fulltime desktop environment > as soon as possible. I encourage all of you to take that dare. ;) Yeah! I certainly like that idea :) > 2. We need to figure out what our workflow will be. How do we track > tasks? I've used bugzilla, trac, wikis, and so on and so on. All of > them work, but we just need to agree how to move forward. > > For instance: "package Pippy for Fedora". Where does that work item live? Well... only using bugzilla would be a little bit overkill, hu? I'd definitely add a wiki. We could even consider using fedorahosted.org, which includes trac - and trac contains a wiki and a ticket-management. Just my 2 cents ;) > Of course, forwarding package review requests straight to the list is a > great start. > > === > > 3. Meetings! I'm a big, big believer in weekly meetings for things like > this. Why? Because meetings are where we all promise to do things, and > where we keep those promises week after week. A mailing list is useful, > but there's nothing quite like the awkward silence in real time that > follows the question "who's going to do this?" to get a project moving > forward. :) Agreed! I experienced something like this in the education SIG... those meetings are definitely useful! +100 > Therefore, I will propose a meeting time. Friday, 1300 (1pm) Eastern US > time, which is 1700 GMT right now, I believe. Any takers? Any > counterproposals? For me, sounds like a fitting time :) I'm located in Europe, so no problems here... but I know that it's hard to find a time for all people. So it might be not as convincing for others... > Important to get started soon, while people are interested and we have > critical mass. At last count, 52 people joined this mailing list in the > last day. That's a great start, and I don't want to waste the momentum. Woohoooo! That's really a lot! Thanks all for joining :) > --g Sebastian From brian at laptop.org Tue Jul 22 18:30:22 2008 From: brian at laptop.org (Brian Jordan) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 14:30:22 -0400 Subject: [Fedora-olpc-list] Intro and meeting proposal In-Reply-To: <48861FEC.3090402@when.com> References: <48861FEC.3090402@when.com> Message-ID: <2bcfd3d60807221130x5dc5ce10t6ebfad60ed492db4@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 1:59 PM, Sebastian Dziallas wrote: > Greg Dekoenigsberg wrote: >> >> Hi all. I'm Greg DeKoenigsberg. I'm a community guy for Red Hat. Thanks >> to everyone who has joined this list. > > Hi :) > > My name is Sebastian Dziallas and I'm currently mainly focussed on education > and the creation of spins for Fedora. I'm also the founder of the Education > SIG here (http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Education). > >> There's a ton of stuff to do in OLPC/Sugar/Fedoraland. It would be easy >> for us to lose ourselves in the mountain of work that needs to be done :) so >> my hope is that we will be able to focus on doing the work that we are best >> suited to do. There's a lot of low hanging fruit out there for folks who >> know the ins and outs of Fedora. > > Yeah! Maybe we could even get some kind of collaboration between the various > efforts related to education currently in Fedora... > >> Here's some of my ideas about how we might get started. >> >> 1. If you are running Fedora right now, please go out and try to install >> Sugar on Fedora. You will immediately find a whole bunch of issues. :) > > [...snip...] > >> Like I say, in the process of just getting Sugar installed, a lot of work >> items become clear. A lot of low hanging fruit on the "get Sugar working in >> Fedora" front. > > As some people already suggested and since it has already been discussed > some time ago, I'd like to propose a sugar-based Fedora spin. The main > problem would be a legal one: If we want to call such a spin "Fedora", we > can only include Fedora bits - so no wget or anything like this. But > therefore, the activities need to be packaged as RPMs... sounds like some > work. ;) But such a spin would also decrease the difficulties for new users > to start with sugar - they could just download the spin and try it out > first. > >> My personal goal is to be using Sugar as my fulltime desktop environment >> as soon as possible. I encourage all of you to take that dare. ;) > > Yeah! I certainly like that idea :) +1, this is how to get the real bug finding and fixing done. > >> 2. We need to figure out what our workflow will be. How do we track >> tasks? I've used bugzilla, trac, wikis, and so on and so on. All of them >> work, but we just need to agree how to move forward. >> >> For instance: "package Pippy for Fedora". Where does that work item live? > > Well... only using bugzilla would be a little bit overkill, hu? I'd > definitely add a wiki. We could even consider using fedorahosted.org, which > includes trac - and trac contains a wiki and a ticket-management. > > Just my 2 cents ;) > >> Of course, forwarding package review requests straight to the list is a >> great start. >> >> === >> >> 3. Meetings! I'm a big, big believer in weekly meetings for things like >> this. Why? Because meetings are where we all promise to do things, and >> where we keep those promises week after week. A mailing list is useful, but >> there's nothing quite like the awkward silence in real time that follows the >> question "who's going to do this?" to get a project moving forward. :) > > Agreed! I experienced something like this in the education SIG... those > meetings are definitely useful! +100 > >> Therefore, I will propose a meeting time. Friday, 1300 (1pm) Eastern US >> time, which is 1700 GMT right now, I believe. Any takers? Any >> counterproposals? > > For me, sounds like a fitting time :) I'm located in Europe, so no problems > here... but I know that it's hard to find a time for all people. So it might > be not as convincing for others... > >> Important to get started soon, while people are interested and we have >> critical mass. At last count, 52 people joined this mailing list in the >> last day. That's a great start, and I don't want to waste the momentum. > > Woohoooo! That's really a lot! Thanks all for joining :) > >> --g > > Sebastian > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-olpc-list mailing list > Fedora-olpc-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-olpc-list > From sayamindu at gmail.com Tue Jul 22 20:43:45 2008 From: sayamindu at gmail.com (Sayamindu Dasgupta) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 02:13:45 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-olpc-list] Introduction Message-ID: Hello, My name is Sayamindu, and I am a contractor for OLPC, working from Kolkata, India. I help with the translation management infrastructure and workflow used at OLPC (we use Pootle), and currently I am also trying to fix the various keyboard related issues (as in XIM, XKB). I also maintain the Terminal activity. Cheers, Sayamindu -- Sayamindu Dasgupta [http://sayamindu.randomink.org/ramblings] From christoph at olpcnews.com Tue Jul 22 11:50:34 2008 From: christoph at olpcnews.com (Christoph Derndorfer) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 13:50:34 +0200 Subject: [Fedora-olpc-list] Hello (OLPC geeks of the) world. Message-ID: <4885C98A.30208@olpcnews.com> Hello there, I guess most of you know me anyway but in case you don't here we go... My name is Christoph Derndorfer, I'm a member of OLPC Austria and also the co-editor over at olpcnews.com. Currently I'm mostly involved in documentation and community-building efforts, shoot me a message if you're interested in contributing to either of those two topics. Thanks, Christoph P.S. This is the 28th OLPC-related mailing-list that I'm subscribing to... ;-) -- Christoph Derndorfer Co-Editor OLPCnews, http://www.olpcnews.com From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Tue Jul 22 23:30:32 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 05:00:32 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-olpc-list] Introduction: Rahul Sundaram Message-ID: <48866D98.1090009@fedoraproject.org> Hi, I am Rahul Sundaram and I am a Fedora project volunteer working for Red Hat from Pune, India. I used to be part of the Red Hat OLPC team and continue to linger on to a few OLPC packages in Fedora. After Greg Dek's call for help, I have recently submitted the rssh package from the OLPC wishlist at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PackageMaintainers/WishList#OLPC_Wishlist I am interested in nibbling at the smaller set of utilities for OLPC and packaging them up. If you have suggestions or can help, let me know. More details at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Sundaram Rahul From dfarning at sugarlabs.org Wed Jul 23 02:18:03 2008 From: dfarning at sugarlabs.org (David Farning) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 21:18:03 -0500 Subject: [Fedora-olpc-list] Intro and meeting proposal In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1216779483.10460.39.camel@dfarning.desktop.org> On Tue, 2008-07-22 at 12:20 -0400, Greg Dekoenigsberg wrote: > As the user who will be running Sugar: > # make the Activities directory to store activities > mkdir ~/Activities > cd ~/Activities > wget http://dev.laptop.org/~erikos/bundles/other/Terminal-10.xo > unzip Terminal-10.xo > wget http://dev.laptop.org/~erikos/bundles/0.81.2/Pippy-22.xo > unzip Pippy-22.xo > wget http://dev.laptop.org/~erikos/bundles/Web-90.xo > unzip Web-90.xo > # Gee, wouldn't be easier if these activities were RPMs? :) The activity bundle (.xo) is the package mechanism for Sugar. Would it be preferable to leverage the .xo package management system on top of a few 'core' rpm packages? Wrapping the each xo as an RPM seems pretty labor intensive. thanks dfarning From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Wed Jul 23 03:30:16 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 09:00:16 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-olpc-list] Intro and meeting proposal In-Reply-To: <1216779483.10460.39.camel@dfarning.desktop.org> References: <1216779483.10460.39.camel@dfarning.desktop.org> Message-ID: <4886A5C8.1000608@fedoraproject.org> David Farning wrote: > The activity bundle (.xo) is the package mechanism for Sugar. Would it > be preferable to leverage the .xo package management system on top of a > few 'core' rpm packages? > > Wrapping the each xo as an RPM seems pretty labor intensive. Seems we already have a fairly good template to cover most of it https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging/SugarActivityGuidelines Why would it be labour intensive? Rahul From michael at laptop.org Wed Jul 23 03:44:24 2008 From: michael at laptop.org (Michael Stone) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 23:44:24 -0400 Subject: [Fedora-olpc-list] Intro and meeting proposal In-Reply-To: <1216779483.10460.39.camel@dfarning.desktop.org> References: <1216779483.10460.39.camel@dfarning.desktop.org> Message-ID: <20080723034420.GH29522@didacte.laptop.org> On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 09:18:03PM -0500, David Farning wrote: >On Tue, 2008-07-22 at 12:20 -0400, Greg Dekoenigsberg wrote: > >> As the user who will be running Sugar: >> # make the Activities directory to store activities >> mkdir ~/Activities >> cd ~/Activities >> wget http://dev.laptop.org/~erikos/bundles/other/Terminal-10.xo >> unzip Terminal-10.xo >> wget http://dev.laptop.org/~erikos/bundles/0.81.2/Pippy-22.xo >> unzip Pippy-22.xo >> wget http://dev.laptop.org/~erikos/bundles/Web-90.xo >> unzip Web-90.xo >> # Gee, wouldn't be easier if these activities were RPMs? :) > >The activity bundle (.xo) is the package mechanism for Sugar. Would it >be preferable to leverage the .xo package management system on top of a >few 'core' rpm packages? "No", for many reasons. Most noticeably because the .xo package mechanism, while barely sufficient for OLPC's needs to date, is utterly unhelpful when dealing with the niceties of getting software to run on lots of hardware and of keeping that software running when its underlying libraries are upgraded. Michael From ianweller at gmail.com Wed Jul 23 04:43:08 2008 From: ianweller at gmail.com (Ian Weller) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 23:43:08 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Fedora-olpc-list] Intro and meeting proposal In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, 22 Jul 2008, Greg Dekoenigsberg wrote: > Therefore, I will propose a meeting time. Friday, 1300 (1pm) Eastern US > time, which is 1700 GMT right now, I believe. Any takers? Any > counterproposals? > Works for me, usually. -- Ian Weller http://ianweller.org GnuPG fingerprint: E51E 0517 7A92 70A2 4226 B050 87ED 7C97 EFA8 4A36 "Technology is a word that describes something that doesn't work yet." ~ Douglas Adams From lucas at cefetce.br Wed Jul 23 12:37:29 2008 From: lucas at cefetce.br (Lucas Saboya) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 09:37:29 -0300 Subject: [Fedora-olpc-list] Is there a way to get an OLPC ? Message-ID: Hello world, I was wondering if thers any way that I could put my hands on a OLPC for helping you out and all... is there even a chance of this hapen ? cheers, -- Lucas do Amaral, Tranee de Gestor de TI do Projeto UAB/CEFETCE Tranee de Administrador de Redes do CEFETCE Embaixador do Projeto Fedora no Cear? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Wouldn't it be simpler to upgrade OpenSSH and just use the built-in support for chrooted sftp of newer releases? Rui -- Grudnuk demand sustenance! Today is Prickle-Prickle, the 58th day of Confusion in the YOLD 3174 + No matter how much you do, you never do enough -- unknown + Whatever you do will be insignificant, | but it is very important that you do it -- Gandhi + So let's do it...? From dsd at laptop.org Wed Jul 23 15:37:27 2008 From: dsd at laptop.org (Daniel Drake) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 11:37:27 -0400 Subject: [Fedora-olpc-list] Review and sponsorship request Message-ID: <1216827447.2844.4.camel@olpc-desktop01.laptop.org> Hi, Quick intro: I'm an intern at OLPC, working on bug fixing for our upcoming v8.2.0 release. Some of my work has touched upon distro-related issues and I am held back through not having Fedora developer access. Is there anyone available to review my-first-spec-file and sponsor me to become a developer? I do not have a great deal of Fedora experience but have been involved with Gentoo Linux development for a few years, so I know the importance of being very careful with packaging and asking lots of questions. Here's the bug: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=454329 I am dsd_ in #fedora-devel Thanks! Daniel From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Wed Jul 23 16:58:25 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 22:28:25 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-olpc-list] Review and sponsorship request In-Reply-To: <1216827447.2844.4.camel@olpc-desktop01.laptop.org> References: <1216827447.2844.4.camel@olpc-desktop01.laptop.org> Message-ID: <48876331.4030806@fedoraproject.org> Daniel Drake wrote: > Hi, > > Quick intro: I'm an intern at OLPC, working on bug fixing for our > upcoming v8.2.0 release. > > Some of my work has touched upon distro-related issues and I am held > back through not having Fedora developer access. > > Is there anyone available to review my-first-spec-file and sponsor me to > become a developer? I do not have a great deal of Fedora experience but > have been involved with Gentoo Linux development for a few years, so I > know the importance of being very careful with packaging and asking lots > of questions. > > Here's the bug: > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=454329 > > I am dsd_ in #fedora-devel Take a look at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PackageMaintainers/HowToGetSponsored Would it be possible you to review a few packages to demonstrate packaging knowledge? http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Package_Review_Process Rahul From walter.bender at gmail.com Wed Jul 23 18:52:42 2008 From: walter.bender at gmail.com (Walter Bender) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 14:52:42 -0400 Subject: [Fedora-olpc-list] introduction and a question Message-ID: I'm Walter Bender, one of the founders of Sugar Labs (http://sugarlabs.org). I'm excited that there Fedora community is rallying around OLPC and consequently Sugar. My question is in regards to packaging Squeak/Etoys for Fedora. believe that there has been an open ticket regarding this for quite some time (it is on the Package Maintainers Wishlist under OLPC, but would be of more general applicability as well). Any advice as to how to move things forward? regards. -walter From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Thu Jul 24 00:08:31 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 05:38:31 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-olpc-list] Introduction: Rahul Sundaram In-Reply-To: <20080723134451.GD6751@roque.1407.org> References: <48866D98.1090009@fedoraproject.org> <20080723134451.GD6751@roque.1407.org> Message-ID: <4887C7FF.70706@fedoraproject.org> Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: > On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 05:00:32AM +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: >> I am Rahul Sundaram and I am a Fedora project volunteer working for Red >> Hat from Pune, India. I used to be part of the Red Hat OLPC team and >> continue to linger on to a few OLPC packages in Fedora. After Greg Dek's >> call for help, I have recently submitted the rssh package from the OLPC >> wishlist at >> >> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PackageMaintainers/WishList#OLPC_Wishlist > > Yesterday I looked at that package and wondered about it's use. > > Wouldn't it be simpler to upgrade OpenSSH and just use the built-in > support for chrooted sftp of newer releases? I am merely going through the wish list and packaging some items (rssh and pam_sotp so far) and haven't really analysed the requirements. There are differences in functionality in between rssh and what is provided within openssh recently. Hopefully getting this packaged helps OLPC a bit to move further along. If not, others are using it in Fedora anyway. Rahul From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Thu Jul 24 00:22:13 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 05:52:13 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-olpc-list] Introduction In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4887CB35.6050906@fedoraproject.org> Sayamindu Dasgupta wrote: > Hello, > My name is Sayamindu, and I am a contractor for OLPC, working from > Kolkata, India. > I help with the translation management infrastructure and workflow > used at OLPC (we use Pootle), and currently I am also trying to fix > the various keyboard related issues (as in XIM, XKB). I also maintain > the Terminal activity. Hello, Is there any interest in packaging the terminal activity (and others) into RPM's in Fedora? Rahul From lakbay.taodev at gmail.com Thu Jul 24 04:15:00 2008 From: lakbay.taodev at gmail.com (tata dano) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 12:15:00 +0800 Subject: [Fedora-olpc-list] Introduction In-Reply-To: <4887CB35.6050906@fedoraproject.org> References: <4887CB35.6050906@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <4acfed4e0807232115p7f659abva8577cadf3b66ec1@mail.gmail.com> Hello, Im also new here. My name is Tata Dano from the Philippines. With my Linux experience I've been involved with migration process from MS to Linux with different non-profit institutions, and testing few distros on how it was being build and displayed. But my direct experience is with Mandriva, been using it for almost 4 years now. But it was also built by RPM and so I was thinking that maybe I can still help with this project anyway I can. Regards. Tata On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 8:22 AM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Sayamindu Dasgupta wrote: > >> Hello, >> My name is Sayamindu, and I am a contractor for OLPC, working from >> Kolkata, India. >> I help with the translation management infrastructure and workflow >> used at OLPC (we use Pootle), and currently I am also trying to fix >> the various keyboard related issues (as in XIM, XKB). I also maintain >> the Terminal activity. >> > > Hello, > > Is there any interest in packaging the terminal activity (and others) into > RPM's in Fedora? > > Rahul > > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-olpc-list mailing list > Fedora-olpc-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-olpc-list > -- Linux Registered User #383849 http://kngphil.proboards58.com/ http://atats.blogspot.com/ http://sedemdbs.blogspot.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks > in advance. > I'd also appreciate this change. -- Ian Weller http://ianweller.org GnuPG fingerprint: E51E 0517 7A92 70A2 4226 B050 87ED 7C97 EFA8 4A36 "Technology is a word that describes something that doesn't work yet." ~ Douglas Adams From gregsmitholpc at gmail.com Thu Jul 24 10:47:56 2008 From: gregsmitholpc at gmail.com (Greg Smith) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 06:47:56 -0400 Subject: [Fedora-olpc-list] re: Announcing the Fedora OLPC Special Interest Group Message-ID: <48885DDC.50907@laptop.org> Hi Greg D et al, Thanks a lot for your help in taking on the challenge! Let me know what you need and how I can help. You can see an overview of our XO release plan at: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Releases FYI we have some job openings people may want to consider at: http://laptop.org/en/jobs.shtml I'm on the list (daily batch mode) now so I'll try to stay in the loop, but don't hesitate to contact me directly if you need anything. Thanks, Greg Smith OLPC Product Manager ********************************** - *From*: Greg Dekoenigsberg - *To*: fedora-announce-list redhat com - *Subject*: Announcing the Fedora OLPC Special Interest Group - *Date*: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 10:20:54 -0400 (EDT) ------------------------------ The engineers at OLPC are busy building an educational experience for the kids of the world. They are basing their excellent work on Fedora. Their time is stretched perilously thin. Every hour an overworked OLPC engineer spends doing Fedora work is an hour they could be spending doing something else. We in the Fedora community can therefore have a huge, direct, and immediate impact on the success of the OLPC project. Thus, I am proud to announce the formation of the Fedora OLPC Special Interest Group. Our mission: to provide the OLPC project with a strong, sustainable, scalable, community-driven base platform for innovation. Immediate Goals: 1. To identify and take responsible ownership of as many OLPC base packages as possible. 2. To maintain an excellent Sugar environment for Fedora, including a dedicated Sugar spin. 3. To identify useful opportunities for collaboration (infrastructure, localization, etc.) We should convene our first meeting as soon as possible. If you are interested in participating, please join the Fedora OLPC mailing list here and introduce yourself: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-olpc-list --g From dsd at laptop.org Thu Jul 24 15:03:24 2008 From: dsd at laptop.org (Daniel Drake) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 11:03:24 -0400 Subject: [Fedora-olpc-list] Re: Review and sponsorship request In-Reply-To: <1216827447.2844.4.camel@olpc-desktop01.laptop.org> References: <1216827447.2844.4.camel@olpc-desktop01.laptop.org> Message-ID: <1216911804.2751.6.camel@olpc-desktop01.laptop.org> On Wed, 2008-07-23 at 11:37 -0400, Daniel Drake wrote: > Is there anyone available to review my-first-spec-file and sponsor me to > become a developer? I do not have a great deal of Fedora experience but > have been involved with Gentoo Linux development for a few years, so I > know the importance of being very careful with packaging and asking lots > of questions. > > Here's the bug: > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=454329 I am now sponsored but would still like someone to review my first spec file before I add the new package. Thanks, Daniel From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Fri Jul 25 00:36:15 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 06:06:15 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-olpc-list] introduction and a question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48891FFF.9040709@fedoraproject.org> Walter Bender wrote: > I'm Walter Bender, one of the founders of Sugar Labs > (http://sugarlabs.org). I'm excited that there Fedora community is > rallying around OLPC and consequently Sugar. > > My question is in regards to packaging Squeak/Etoys for Fedora. > believe that there has been an open ticket regarding this for quite > some time (it is on the Package Maintainers Wishlist under OLPC, but > would be of more general applicability as well). Any advice as to how > to move things forward? There was questions raised on licensing at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PackageMaintainers/WishList#OLPC_Wishlist Perhaps you can talk to Spot (cc'ed) and get it clarified? Rahul From walter.bender at gmail.com Fri Jul 25 00:43:21 2008 From: walter.bender at gmail.com (Walter Bender) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 20:43:21 -0400 Subject: [Fedora-olpc-list] introduction and a question In-Reply-To: <48891FFF.9040709@fedoraproject.org> References: <48891FFF.9040709@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: Let me confirm with Kim (and Bert) that we have the license sorted out and get back to you. Thanks. -walter On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 8:36 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Walter Bender wrote: >> >> I'm Walter Bender, one of the founders of Sugar Labs >> (http://sugarlabs.org). I'm excited that there Fedora community is >> rallying around OLPC and consequently Sugar. >> >> My question is in regards to packaging Squeak/Etoys for Fedora. >> believe that there has been an open ticket regarding this for quite >> some time (it is on the Package Maintainers Wishlist under OLPC, but >> would be of more general applicability as well). Any advice as to how >> to move things forward? > > There was questions raised on licensing at > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PackageMaintainers/WishList#OLPC_Wishlist > > Perhaps you can talk to Spot (cc'ed) and get it clarified? > > Rahul > From rodrigopadula at projetofedora.org Fri Jul 25 03:04:32 2008 From: rodrigopadula at projetofedora.org (Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira) Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 00:04:32 -0300 Subject: [Fedora-olpc-list] OLPC / Brazil Message-ID: <488942C0.6000208@projetofedora.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hello Guys! My name is Rodrigo Padula, i'm the Fedora Community Manager in the Latin ~ America. I did many presentations about he OLPC Project in Brazilian events and now i'm studying about Sugar and XO-Server to develop a webquest application. Webquests and Sugar are the focus of my M. Sc. dissertation at Federal University of Rio de Janeiro. I would like to contribute more with the project here! So, how i can help this project ? Sauda??es livres! - -- Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira M.Sc. Student - COPPE/UFRJ Fedora Community Manager - Latin America http://www.proyectofedora.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkiJQrwACgkQ024P1ALZT54kaACgl2RqDkmCBlh/ZHnaSPYA2Wal qxYAoNTvBcAJRW/5lx4EDiLmgTqqKX+O =mMcC -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From gdk at redhat.com Fri Jul 25 10:27:40 2008 From: gdk at redhat.com (Greg Dekoenigsberg) Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 06:27:40 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fedora-olpc-list] Tiresome trivia In-Reply-To: References: <1216818271.11972.36.camel@victoria> Message-ID: On Wed, 23 Jul 2008, Ian Weller wrote: > On Wed, 23 Jul 2008, Paul W. Frields wrote: > >> Hating to be one of the Internetiquette police... but can we strip the >> [Fedora-olpc-list] heading off the subject line for this list? Thanks >> in advance. >> > I'd also appreciate this change. An oversight. I'll get to this today. --g From walter.bender at gmail.com Fri Jul 25 12:49:31 2008 From: walter.bender at gmail.com (Walter Bender) Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 08:49:31 -0400 Subject: [Fedora-olpc-list] introduction and a question Message-ID: > There was questions raised on licensing at > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PackageMaintainers/WishList#OLPC_Wishlist > > Perhaps you can talk to Spot (cc'ed) and get it clarified? > > Rahul I've included below the correspondence between VPRI and Debian in regard the license question. regards. -walter ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Kim Rose Date: Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 8:26 AM Subject: Fwd: Squeak images/relicensing To: Walter Bender Cc: Bert Freudenberg Hi, Walter - Here is a copy of my message to Jose. -- Kim Begin forwarded message: > From: Kim Rose > Date: April 4, 2008 9:18:11 AM PDT > To: Jos? L. Redrejo Rodr?guez > Cc: Bert Freudenberg , Yoshiki Ohshima , Craig Latta , Kim Rose > Subject: Squeak images/relicensing > > Hi, Jose - > > I hope you and your family are all doing well. > > I have seen the recent exchange of email between you and others regarding the relicensing effort of Squeak to the MIT License. I can see you are mostly up to date with what is going on. However, as Bert has requested I wanted to write to you directly and confirm Bert's most recent responses. > > > ----------- > Jose: > >> >> Can you confirm me that the code that has not been relicensed has been >> removed from the olpc image? >> > > Bert: > > No. But VPRI as the original authors take responsibility for the earlier contributions made under the Squeak License. VPRI made every justifiable effort to contact the contributors. Not a single contributor was against relicensing, so it is safe to assume that even those that could not be reached would be happy to see their code continue to be used. They submitted it for official inclusion in Squeak, after all. So who would argue that, if not the contributors themselves? > > ---------- > > As Bert says VPRI spearheaded an effort to contact *every* contributor to the Squeak code base. We did not receive a single negative response and have a notebook with 100s of signed re-licensing agreements. We also put out several "speak now or forever hold your peace" group emails indicating the relicensing was taking effect and should anyone object to relicensing their code to let us know. > > Our attitude is the code IS now relicensed under the MIT license. Should, a contributor, at any time, write to VPRI and request their code be taken out of the code base, we would comply. > > Please do not let this interfere with or hold up your efforts. > > Thanks again and best regards, > Kim > > From adam at flossmanuals.net Fri Jul 25 13:42:14 2008 From: adam at flossmanuals.net (adam hyde) Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 16:42:14 +0300 Subject: [Fedora-olpc-list] introduction Message-ID: <1216993334.5719.3.camel@floss-laptop> hi Adam Hyde here from FLOSS Manuals. I joined the list because we are writing some user documentation for Sugar and OLPC. This list is a good way of keeping track of the ideas and tech behind the two. adam Adam Hyde "Free Manuals for Free Software" http://www.flossmanuals.net/about From walter.bender at gmail.com Fri Jul 25 14:28:39 2008 From: walter.bender at gmail.com (Walter Bender) Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 10:28:39 -0400 Subject: [Fedora-olpc-list] introduction and a question In-Reply-To: <1216995942.3871.83.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1216995942.3871.83.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: Any suggestions as to how to proceed then? The VPRI team has agreed to remove/rewrite any contributions that people don't want relicensed. -walter On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 10:25 AM, Tom spot Callaway wrote: > On Fri, 2008-07-25 at 08:49 -0400, Walter Bender wrote: >> I've included below the correspondence between VPRI and Debian in >> regard the license question. > > I'm not sure it is safe to assume that because a contributor was not > reached, they are therefore okay with permitting a second party to > relicense their copyrighted work. > > ~spot > > From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Fri Jul 25 15:45:52 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 21:15:52 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-olpc-list] introduction and a question In-Reply-To: <1216996687.3871.86.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1216995942.3871.83.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1216996687.3871.86.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <4889F530.4080203@fedoraproject.org> Tom "spot" Callaway wrote: > On Fri, 2008-07-25 at 10:28 -0400, Walter Bender wrote: >> Any suggestions as to how to proceed then? The VPRI team has agreed to >> remove/rewrite any contributions that people don't want relicensed. > > Either of those options would be the logical next step (you have to > assume that non-responsive contributors do not agree to a relicensing, > unless there is some sort of contributor agreement in place which > stipulates otherwise). When the source tree is 100% MIT (or some other > equally free license), then we should have no problem including it in > Fedora. When there was a discussion about the possibility of relicensing the Linux kernel to GPLv3, there was a proposal that involved the legality of unilateral declaration followed by a time gap for opposition instead of getting explicit written agreement from all the contributors. You might want to talk to Red Hat Legal to check whether this is a possibility. It sounded more like a leap of faith than law but one can never assume laws to be logical. Rahul From sayamindu at gmail.com Sat Jul 26 17:03:32 2008 From: sayamindu at gmail.com (Sayamindu Dasgupta) Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 22:33:32 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-olpc-list] Package branching policies and conventions Message-ID: Hello, Can anyone guide me to some pointers on the general policy wrt package branching when it comes to OLPC specific branches (eg: OLPC-2, OLPC-3) ? I have a (pretty high priority) bug at http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/7474, and fixing it requires patching quite a few X related packages most of which are directly pulled in from F-9. Do you think it is a good idea to create separate OLPC-3 branches for these packages, or do you think I should submit my patches to the maintainers, and wait for them to update their F-9 packages ? Thanks, Sayamindu -- Sayamindu Dasgupta [http://sayamindu.randomink.org/ramblings] From rnorwood at redhat.com Sun Jul 27 00:40:52 2008 From: rnorwood at redhat.com (Robin Norwood) Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 20:40:52 -0400 Subject: [Fedora-olpc-list] Package branching policies and conventions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20080726204052.6ae81aa3@solitude.devel.redhat.com> On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 22:33:32 +0530 "Sayamindu Dasgupta" wrote: > Hello, > Can anyone guide me to some pointers on the general policy wrt package > branching when it comes to OLPC specific branches (eg: OLPC-2, OLPC-3) > ? > I have a (pretty high priority) bug at > http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/7474, and fixing it requires patching > quite a few X related packages most of which are directly pulled in > from F-9. Do you think it is a good idea to create separate OLPC-3 > branches for these packages, or do you think I should submit my > patches to the maintainers, and wait for them to update their F-9 > packages ? You'll have to talk to the Fedora maintainers to find out if, and how quickly they might be willing to accept your patches. Do the patches fix general bugs, or are the OLPC specific? Are the patches likely to be accepted by the upstream projects? Are the patches relatively 'safe' (like small, well-understood bug fixes)? If the answer to all three is 'yes', then there might be a good chance of getting the patches in F-9. If not, you might have to go ahead and fork the packages, but I'd recommend working with the maintainer and upstream to get your patches accepted so you don't have to keep the packages forked indefinitely. -RN -- Robin Norwood Red Hat, Inc. "The Sage does nothing, yet nothing remains undone." -Lao Tzu, Te Tao Ching From bkearney at redhat.com Mon Jul 28 16:24:17 2008 From: bkearney at redhat.com (Bryan Kearney) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 12:24:17 -0400 Subject: [Fedora-olpc-list] Looking for Testers: Sugar Appliance Message-ID: <488DF2B1.1080403@redhat.com> I have put together a sugar desktop appliance [1], but I am not very familiar with the sugar desktop in order to adequately test it. I am looking for anyone who is willing to take a few minutes and give it a spin. The directions for xen/kvm are: 1) Download [1] 2) Untar and unzip it 3) run virt-image sugar.xml 4) At the fedora login, select "Autologin" You are good to go. If you would like to build it yourself, you can get build this with the appliance creator [2] using the kickstart file [3]. -- bk [1] http://sugar.s3.amazonaws.com/sugarAppliance.tar.gz [2] http://www.thincrust.net/tooling.html [3] http://sugar.s3.amazonaws.com/sugar.ks From sebastian at when.com Mon Jul 28 18:40:58 2008 From: sebastian at when.com (Sebastian Dziallas) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 20:40:58 +0200 Subject: [Fedora-olpc-list] Looking for Testers: Sugar Appliance In-Reply-To: <488DF2B1.1080403@redhat.com> References: <488DF2B1.1080403@redhat.com> Message-ID: <488E12BA.10206@when.com> Bryan Kearney wrote: > I have put together a sugar desktop appliance [1], but I am not very > familiar with the sugar desktop in order to adequately test it. I am > looking for anyone who is willing to take a few minutes and give it a > spin. The directions for xen/kvm are: > > 1) Download [1] > 2) Untar and unzip it > 3) run virt-image sugar.xml > 4) At the fedora login, select "Autologin" > > You are good to go. If you would like to build it yourself, you can get > build this with the appliance creator [2] using the kickstart file [3]. > > -- bk > > [1] http://sugar.s3.amazonaws.com/sugarAppliance.tar.gz > [2] http://www.thincrust.net/tooling.html > [3] http://sugar.s3.amazonaws.com/sugar.ks Yeah... great! If I got some spare time, I'll make sure to give it a try ;) It's just that my CPU isn't xen/kvm compatible, so I'll need to convert the applicane... By the way: This may be a very well start for a possible sugar-based spin. I'm going to dig a little bit deeper into it :) Sebastian From bkearney at redhat.com Mon Jul 28 20:16:52 2008 From: bkearney at redhat.com (Bryan Kearney) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 16:16:52 -0400 Subject: [Fedora-olpc-list] Re: Looking for Testers: Sugar Appliance In-Reply-To: <488DF2B1.1080403@redhat.com> References: <488DF2B1.1080403@redhat.com> Message-ID: <488E2934.2000807@redhat.com> Bryan Kearney wrote: > I have put together a sugar desktop appliance [1], but I am not very > familiar with the sugar desktop in order to adequately test it. I am > looking for anyone who is willing to take a few minutes and give it a > spin. The directions for xen/kvm are: > > 1) Download [1] > 2) Untar and unzip it > 3) run virt-image sugar.xml > 4) At the fedora login, select "Autologin" > > You are good to go. If you would like to build it yourself, you can get > build this with the appliance creator [2] using the kickstart file [3]. > > -- bk > > > [1] http://sugar.s3.amazonaws.com/sugarAppliance.tar.gz > [2] http://www.thincrust.net/tooling.html > [3] http://sugar.s3.amazonaws.com/sugar.ks > It was brought to my attention that the appliance above violates the Fedora Trademark guidelines since it mixes fedora and non-fedora (i.e Sugar) packages. I have uploaded a new version with the appropriate packages removed, and references to Fedora removed as well [1]. The new kickstart file [2] includes the rebranding logic. -- bk From sebastian at when.com Mon Jul 28 20:35:53 2008 From: sebastian at when.com (Sebastian Dziallas) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 22:35:53 +0200 Subject: [Fedora-olpc-list] Looking for Testers: Sugar Appliance In-Reply-To: <488DBFAE.2030400@student.tuwien.ac.at> References: <488DF2B1.1080403@redhat.com> <488E12BA.10206@when.com> <488DBFAE.2030400@student.tuwien.ac.at> Message-ID: <488E2DA9.7010606@when.com> Christoph Derndorfer wrote: > Sebastian Dziallas schrieb: >> Bryan Kearney wrote: >>> I have put together a sugar desktop appliance [1], but I am not very >>> familiar with the sugar desktop in order to adequately test it. I am >>> looking for anyone who is willing to take a few minutes and give it a >>> spin. The directions for xen/kvm are: >>> >>> 1) Download [1] >>> 2) Untar and unzip it >>> 3) run virt-image sugar.xml >>> 4) At the fedora login, select "Autologin" >>> >>> You are good to go. If you would like to build it yourself, you can >>> get build this with the appliance creator [2] using the kickstart >>> file [3]. >>> >>> -- bk >>> >>> [1] http://sugar.s3.amazonaws.com/sugarAppliance.tar.gz >>> [2] http://www.thincrust.net/tooling.html >>> [3] http://sugar.s3.amazonaws.com/sugar.ks >> >> Yeah... great! >> >> If I got some spare time, I'll make sure to give it a try ;) >> It's just that my CPU isn't xen/kvm compatible, so I'll need to >> convert the applicane... >> >> By the way: This may be a very well start for a possible sugar-based >> spin. I'm going to dig a little bit deeper into it :) > Sorry if I'm ignorant or missing something here but what is "a desktop > appliance"? > > Thanks, > Christoph >> >> Sebastian Well, it's not a spin (so you're not going to download an ISO file or something like this). Maybe one could define it as a virtual machine coming with pre-configured content (this is, how I'd try to explain it in few works, feel free to correct me :). You could have a look at this one: http://www.thincrust.org/ They've information on creating those appliances using Fedora tools. Ahh... just came across their definition: "An appliance is a pre-configured application and operating system bundle. Configuration options are controlled for ease of use and installation. " Hope this helps, Sebastian From jwilliam at xmission.com Tue Jul 29 01:07:56 2008 From: jwilliam at xmission.com (Jerry Williams) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 19:07:56 -0600 Subject: [Fedora-olpc-list] Re: Looking for Testers: Sugar Appliance In-Reply-To: <488E2934.2000807@redhat.com> References: <488DF2B1.1080403@redhat.com> <488E2934.2000807@redhat.com> Message-ID: <468D48CDA71F4FAFB83728A3DFFE2102@Q9450> I pulled it into VirtualBox and it boots okay and I can login to sugar. But that is about it. Wish you had the log activity. Also the only chat server I have been able to get to work is xochat.org, and that is what the livecd has on it. I can't get any of the Activities to run. Looking at Terminal log I see: File "/usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/sugar/activity/activity.py", line 59, in Import json importError: No module named json I installed http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/releases/9/Everything/i38 6/os/Packages/python-json-3.4-3.fc9.noarch.rpm And now terminal works :) And looks like browser also works. Looks like chat is broken because it can't find locale/de/activity.linfo for most languages. > -----Original Message----- > From: fedora-olpc-list-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:fedora-olpc-list- > bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Bryan Kearney > Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 2:17 PM > To: fedora-olpc-list at redhat.com > Subject: [Fedora-olpc-list] Re: Looking for Testers: Sugar Appliance > > Bryan Kearney wrote: > > I have put together a sugar desktop appliance [1], but I am not very > > familiar with the sugar desktop in order to adequately test it. I am > > looking for anyone who is willing to take a few minutes and give it a > > spin. The directions for xen/kvm are: > > > > 1) Download [1] > > 2) Untar and unzip it > > 3) run virt-image sugar.xml > > 4) At the fedora login, select "Autologin" > > > > You are good to go. If you would like to build it yourself, you can get > > build this with the appliance creator [2] using the kickstart file [3]. > > > > -- bk > > > > > > [1] http://sugar.s3.amazonaws.com/sugarAppliance.tar.gz > > [2] http://www.thincrust.net/tooling.html > > [3] http://sugar.s3.amazonaws.com/sugar.ks > > > > > It was brought to my attention that the appliance above violates the > Fedora Trademark guidelines since it mixes fedora and non-fedora (i.e > Sugar) packages. > > I have uploaded a new version with the appropriate packages removed, and > references to Fedora removed as well [1]. The new kickstart file [2] > includes the rebranding logic. > > -- bk > > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-olpc-list mailing list > Fedora-olpc-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-olpc-list From martin.langhoff at gmail.com Tue Jul 29 06:27:29 2008 From: martin.langhoff at gmail.com (Martin Langhoff) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 18:27:29 +1200 Subject: [Fedora-olpc-list] School Server, F9 port, livecd-tools, pungi, meetings Message-ID: <46a038f90807282327t360f664dl16263d94708ea0c9@mail.gmail.com> Hi all! I am a bit of a late-comer to the party. I am the lead dev, architect and general guilty party for the school server part of the OLPC project. A complement to the XO, you can think of it as "a smart gateway to internet" but it actually packs a lot more punch. Or will do soon. [ See http://wiki.laptop.org/go/School_server for more details on what the School Server does ] The School Server (aka XS) is a relatively simple "server" spin, right now based on a custom F7 LiveCD. While I don't want to get too distracted from development of tools to make it useful, I am trying to upgrade to F9 and switch from LiveCDs to a normal installer/upgrader (using pungi - is that the right tool?). In general, I will be trying to ask questions on the appropriate lists (fedora-devel, etc) -- if you can help enlighten me on the ways of the Fedora, I will be forever thankful (I am recovering from years away from RH/Fedora distros :-) ). Earlier today, I added a 'fedoradev' tag to all the bits where we could do with Fedora expertise -- they are around packaging and core configuration changes. If you think you can help, this list is a good start: https://dev.laptop.org/query?status=assigned&status=new&status=reopened&group=milestone&component=school+server&order=priority&col=id&col=summary&col=status&col=priority&keywords=~fedoradev For those who aren't Fedora or RPM experts but can hack on web development tools and less "internal" stuff, I added a similar tag, called "easy" (not that they are actually easy, but it's a good trick to make you look ;-) ) https://dev.laptop.org/query?status=assigned&status=new&status=reopened&group=milestone&component=school+server&order=priority&col=id&col=summary&col=status&col=priority&keywords=~easy And lastly, about meetings, I am in the NZ timezone. So I will be happy to join meetings post 5pm EST... 4pm if you let me know with time. Anything earlier, I'll snore in your general direction :-) and heartfelt *thanks* to Greg and to Rahul, who's already been helping me quite a bit. cheers, martin -- martin.langhoff at gmail.com martin at laptop.org -- School Server Architect - ask interesting questions - don't get distracted with shiny stuff - working code first - http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Martinlanghoff From morgan.collett at gmail.com Tue Jul 29 12:49:47 2008 From: morgan.collett at gmail.com (Morgan Collett) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 14:49:47 +0200 Subject: [Fedora-olpc-list] Introduction Message-ID: Hi, I'm Morgan Collett, based in Cape Town, South Africa. I'm a contractor for OLPC working on the collaboration framework. I have done some package maintenance for telepathy packages and Presence Service, and I maintain some activities including Chat. From ggomez at fing.edu.uy Tue Jul 29 16:36:32 2008 From: ggomez at fing.edu.uy (Gabriel Gomez) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 13:36:32 -0300 (UYT) Subject: [Fedora-olpc-list] School Server, F9 port, livecd-tools, pungi, meetings In-Reply-To: <46a038f90807282327t360f664dl16263d94708ea0c9@mail.gmail.com> References: <46a038f90807282327t360f664dl16263d94708ea0c9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080729133108.N11507@ampere.fing.edu.uy> Hi, I have been recently trying to spin a custom minimal F9 distro using revisor and pungi, without success. I am using kickstart to automate the instalation. Finaly I clone F9 CD1, add kickstart script, and I am adding/deleting packages and resolving dependences... uff, uff :-) I hope this can help you. Good luck, Gabriel. From bkearney at redhat.com Tue Jul 29 16:56:22 2008 From: bkearney at redhat.com (Bryan Kearney) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 12:56:22 -0400 Subject: [Fedora-olpc-list] Re: Looking for Testers: Sugar Appliance In-Reply-To: <468D48CDA71F4FAFB83728A3DFFE2102@Q9450> References: <488DF2B1.1080403@redhat.com> <488E2934.2000807@redhat.com> <468D48CDA71F4FAFB83728A3DFFE2102@Q9450> Message-ID: <488F4BB6.2080603@redhat.com> Thank you for testing. I have uploaded new versions based on your comments. Specific items below. -- bk Jerry Williams wrote: > I pulled it into VirtualBox and it boots okay and I can login to sugar. > But that is about it. Wish you had the log activity. It has been added to the new verison. > Also the only chat server I have been able to get to work is xochat.org, and > that is what the livecd has on it. > I can't get any of the Activities to run. > > Looking at Terminal log I see: > File "/usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/sugar/activity/activity.py", line 59, > in > Import json > importError: No module named json I missed this from the kickstart files, and did not know where to look for the errors. Thanks for pointeres on both. It is in the new version. > > I installed > http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/releases/9/Everything/i38 > 6/os/Packages/python-json-3.4-3.fc9.noarch.rpm > And now terminal works :) > And looks like browser also works. > Looks like chat is broken because it can't find locale/de/activity.linfo for > most languages. Where should these files be coming from? I looked in the sugar repos (http://dev.laptop.org/pub/sugar/fedora) and did not see anything obvious. From martin.langhoff at gmail.com Tue Jul 29 21:08:16 2008 From: martin.langhoff at gmail.com (Martin Langhoff) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 09:08:16 +1200 Subject: [Fedora-olpc-list] School Server, F9 port, livecd-tools, pungi, meetings In-Reply-To: <20080729133108.N11507@ampere.fing.edu.uy> References: <46a038f90807282327t360f664dl16263d94708ea0c9@mail.gmail.com> <20080729133108.N11507@ampere.fing.edu.uy> Message-ID: <46a038f90807291408t2ce83801yc549185d1f2db789@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 4:36 AM, Gabriel Gomez wrote: > I have been recently trying to spin a custom minimal F9 distro using revisor > and pungi, without success. I am using kickstart to > automate the instalation. Hmmm. What did RH use before pungi? There must be a reliable install-cd-composer tool somewhere... > Finaly I clone F9 CD1, add kickstart script, and I am adding/deleting > packages and resolving dependences... uff, uff :-) Can you _remove_ packages from the F9 CD1? How do you do that? cheers, m -- martin.langhoff at gmail.com martin at laptop.org -- School Server Architect - ask interesting questions - don't get distracted with shiny stuff - working code first - http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Martinlanghoff From rnorwood at redhat.com Tue Jul 29 21:31:18 2008 From: rnorwood at redhat.com (Robin Norwood) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 17:31:18 -0400 Subject: Progress on packaging list Message-ID: <20080729173118.57b87cb9@solitude.devel.redhat.com> Hi, I spent some time today making progress on the packaging list at: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PackageMaintainers/WishList#Easy I filed some package review requests and linked to the bugs. There were some packages that I couldn't find release tarballs for: # bootfw # bootanim # olpc-library-common # olpc-library-core # olpc-licences # olpc-logos # olpc-contents # olpc-update cerebro has some licensing issues that I emailed the author to try to clear up. If mstone or anyone else can help me out with a pointer to the releases for these projects, I'll be happy to push a few more packages through the review process. Thanks, -RN -- Robin Norwood Red Hat, Inc. "The Sage does nothing, yet nothing remains undone." -Lao Tzu, Te Tao Ching From martin.langhoff at gmail.com Tue Jul 29 22:44:38 2008 From: martin.langhoff at gmail.com (Martin Langhoff) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 10:44:38 +1200 Subject: Progress on packaging list In-Reply-To: <20080729173118.57b87cb9@solitude.devel.redhat.com> References: <20080729173118.57b87cb9@solitude.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <46a038f90807291544p4b035563n77e52f55fff532d8@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 9:31 AM, Robin Norwood wrote: > I spent some time today making progress on the packaging list at: > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PackageMaintainers/WishList#Easy Cool! Offtopic: Could you or someone who has a Fedora account update the XS entries? I would like to replace them with the link below -- which is a trac search for all the items that I tagged 'fedoradev' because they are about packaging or require understanding of Fedora-specific machinery: https://dev.laptop.org/query?status=assigned&status=new&status=reopened&group=milestone&component=school+server&order=priority&col=id&col=summary&col=status&col=priority&keywords=~fedoradev (I'm not sure how to get an acct that is good to edit the wiki, pointers welcome too.) martin -- martin.langhoff at gmail.com martin at laptop.org -- School Server Architect - ask interesting questions - don't get distracted with shiny stuff - working code first - http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Martinlanghoff From ggomez at fing.edu.uy Tue Jul 29 22:51:32 2008 From: ggomez at fing.edu.uy (Gabriel Gomez) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 19:51:32 -0300 (UYT) Subject: [Fedora-olpc-list] School Server, F9 port, livecd-tools, pungi, meetings In-Reply-To: <46a038f90807291408t2ce83801yc549185d1f2db789@mail.gmail.com> References: <46a038f90807282327t360f664dl16263d94708ea0c9@mail.gmail.com> <20080729133108.N11507@ampere.fing.edu.uy> <46a038f90807291408t2ce83801yc549185d1f2db789@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080729194238.J11714@ampere.fing.edu.uy> The fact is that revisor call pungi and then mkisofs. The last fail because there is no isolinux directory. I do this manually, but the generated iso, didn't launch anaconda. May be I make some mistakes. You can remove packages from the CD1 copy, if you don't break dependencies. Then you must run "createrepo -g repodata/Fedora-9-comps.xml ." Cheers, Gabriel. From rnorwood at redhat.com Wed Jul 30 00:17:47 2008 From: rnorwood at redhat.com (Robin Norwood) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 20:17:47 -0400 Subject: Progress on packaging list In-Reply-To: <46a038f90807291544p4b035563n77e52f55fff532d8@mail.gmail.com> References: <20080729173118.57b87cb9@solitude.devel.redhat.com> <46a038f90807291544p4b035563n77e52f55fff532d8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080729201747.114898a2@solitude.devel.redhat.com> On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 10:44:38 +1200 "Martin Langhoff" wrote: > On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 9:31 AM, Robin Norwood > wrote: > > I spent some time today making progress on the packaging list at: > > > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PackageMaintainers/WishList#Easy > > Cool! > > Offtopic: Could you or someone who has a Fedora account update the XS > entries? I would like to replace them with the link below -- which is > a trac search for all the items that I tagged 'fedoradev' because they > are about packaging or require understanding of Fedora-specific > machinery: > https://dev.laptop.org/query?status=assigned&status=new&status=reopened&group=milestone&component=school+server&order=priority&col=id&col=summary&col=status&col=priority&keywords=~fedoradev Sure, take a look and see if that's what you meant. > (I'm not sure how to get an acct that is good to edit the wiki, > pointers welcome too.) Once you create a Fedora account: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/accounts/ And sign the CLA (You should get instructions to do so if you haven't yet if you log in at the above URL), I think you should be able to login to the wiki with your Fedora account/password. -RN -- Robin Norwood Red Hat, Inc. "The Sage does nothing, yet nothing remains undone." -Lao Tzu, Te Tao Ching From dennis at ausil.us Wed Jul 30 00:18:29 2008 From: dennis at ausil.us (Dennis Gilmore) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 19:18:29 -0500 Subject: Progress on packaging list In-Reply-To: <46a038f90807291544p4b035563n77e52f55fff532d8@mail.gmail.com> References: <20080729173118.57b87cb9@solitude.devel.redhat.com> <46a038f90807291544p4b035563n77e52f55fff532d8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200807291918.37174.dennis@ausil.us> On Tuesday 29 July 2008, Martin Langhoff wrote: > On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 9:31 AM, Robin Norwood wrote: > > I spent some time today making progress on the packaging list at: > > > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PackageMaintainers/WishList#Easy > > Cool! > > Offtopic: Could you or someone who has a Fedora account update the XS > entries? I would like to replace them with the link below -- which is > a trac search for all the items that I tagged 'fedoradev' because they > are about packaging or require understanding of Fedora-specific > machinery: > https://dev.laptop.org/query?status=assigned&status=new&status=reopened&gro >up=milestone&component=school+server&order=priority&col=id&col=summary&col=s >tatus&col=priority&keywords=~fedoradev > > (I'm not sure how to get an acct that is good to edit the wiki, > pointers welcome too.) https://admin.fedoraproject.org/accounts once you have signed the cla you get to edit the wiki. -- Dennis Gilmore -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From martin.langhoff at gmail.com Wed Jul 30 00:28:12 2008 From: martin.langhoff at gmail.com (Martin Langhoff) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 12:28:12 +1200 Subject: Progress on packaging list In-Reply-To: <20080729201747.114898a2@solitude.devel.redhat.com> References: <20080729173118.57b87cb9@solitude.devel.redhat.com> <46a038f90807291544p4b035563n77e52f55fff532d8@mail.gmail.com> <20080729201747.114898a2@solitude.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <46a038f90807291728w443ca788h12ba3b2376fe9925@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 12:17 PM, Robin Norwood wrote: > Sure, take a look and see if that's what you meant. Fantastic - thanks! > Once you create a Fedora account: > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/accounts/ > > And sign the CLA Will do - thanks! cheers, m -- martin.langhoff at gmail.com martin at laptop.org -- School Server Architect - ask interesting questions - don't get distracted with shiny stuff - working code first - http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Martinlanghoff From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Wed Jul 30 00:28:59 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 05:58:59 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-olpc-list] School Server, F9 port, livecd-tools, pungi, meetings In-Reply-To: <46a038f90807291408t2ce83801yc549185d1f2db789@mail.gmail.com> References: <46a038f90807282327t360f664dl16263d94708ea0c9@mail.gmail.com> <20080729133108.N11507@ampere.fing.edu.uy> <46a038f90807291408t2ce83801yc549185d1f2db789@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <488FB5CB.7060908@fedoraproject.org> Martin Langhoff wrote: > On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 4:36 AM, Gabriel Gomez wrote: >> I have been recently trying to spin a custom minimal F9 distro using revisor >> and pungi, without success. I am using kickstart to >> automate the instalation. > > Hmmm. What did RH use before pungi? There must be a reliable > install-cd-composer tool somewhere... What Red Hat used before Pungi is not a publicly available tool and probably won't be useful to you anyway. Pungi is what is being used to compose the Fedora releases for a while now. If you have problems, post to fedora-devel list with specific details. The primary developer is Jesse Keating, jkeating AT redhat.com who is also the lead release engineer of Fedora. Rahul From jwilliam at xmission.com Wed Jul 30 03:28:03 2008 From: jwilliam at xmission.com (Jerry Williams) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 21:28:03 -0600 Subject: [Fedora-olpc-list] Re: Looking for Testers: Sugar Appliance In-Reply-To: <488F4BB6.2080603@redhat.com> References: <488DF2B1.1080403@redhat.com> <488E2934.2000807@redhat.com> <468D48CDA71F4FAFB83728A3DFFE2102@Q9450> <488F4BB6.2080603@redhat.com> Message-ID: Well at least Terminal works in the new version. Also networking wasn't working for me last time and still isn't. I had to run chkconfig network on. Chkconfig iptables off Chkconfig ip6tables off Have the browser working, but still can't see the neighborhood. And you can't download anything with the browser either. It looks like chat is still missing the locale directory. On my box I have: /home/jwilliam/Sugar/sugar-jhbuild/install/share/sugar/activities/Chat.activ ity And it has a locale directory. You have /usr/share/sugar/activities/Chat.activity but it doesn't have the locale directory. Also I have noticed the liveCD has /home/olpc and I know that Pacman has that path hard coded in it, so it will only run if the home directory is /home/olpc. And it has /home/olpc/Activities and all of the activities including Chat are in there. When I look at the logs in /home/sugar/.sugar/default/logs Looks like journal has an issue with a volume button. /usr/share/sugar/activities/Journal.activity/volumestool.py line 123, in __init__ volume.icon_color) Hope this helps, Jerry Williams > -----Original Message----- > From: Bryan Kearney [mailto:bkearney at redhat.com] > Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 10:56 AM > To: Jerry Williams > Cc: fedora-olpc-list at redhat.com > Subject: Re: [Fedora-olpc-list] Re: Looking for Testers: Sugar Appliance > > Thank you for testing. I have uploaded new versions based on your > comments. Specific items below. > > -- bk > > > Jerry Williams wrote: > > I pulled it into VirtualBox and it boots okay and I can login to sugar. > > But that is about it. Wish you had the log activity. > > It has been added to the new verison. > > > Also the only chat server I have been able to get to work is xochat.org, > and > > that is what the livecd has on it. > > I can't get any of the Activities to run. > > > > Looking at Terminal log I see: > > File "/usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/sugar/activity/activity.py", line > 59, > > in > > Import json > > importError: No module named json > > I missed this from the kickstart files, and did not know where to look > for the errors. Thanks for pointeres on both. It is in the new version. > > > > > I installed > > > http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/releases/9/Everything/i > 38 > > 6/os/Packages/python-json-3.4-3.fc9.noarch.rpm > > And now terminal works :) > > And looks like browser also works. > > Looks like chat is broken because it can't find locale/de/activity.linfo > for > > most languages. > > Where should these files be coming from? I looked in the sugar repos > (http://dev.laptop.org/pub/sugar/fedora) and did not see anything obvious. From martin.langhoff at gmail.com Wed Jul 30 08:27:57 2008 From: martin.langhoff at gmail.com (Martin Langhoff) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 20:27:57 +1200 Subject: Pungi and a text-only F9 installer for XS Message-ID: <46a038f90807300127g6e63b1c4ue22b7ba7c0ce7929@mail.gmail.com> On the F9 track, I have been playing around a bit with Pungi as a robust - and better fitting - install composer. It has several advantages over livecd-tools. A minor problem is that it's impossible at the moment to build a F9 install CD without bringing in X.org server, Cairo and a good chunk of gnome. See http://marc.info/?l=fedora-buildsys-list&m=121740313820597&w=2 A "textonly" splitoff of anaconda and anaconda runtime that drop the X dependencies would shed ~200 MB of dependencies, and make F9 a better fit for embedded deployments, making the XS image smaller and nicer along the way... hint, hint... :-) Another interesting track is making the "CD installer" work from a usb stick, modding livecd-iso-to-disk, see http://marc.info/?l=fedora-buildsys-list&m=121740508223325&w=2 The XS image doesn't have strict dietary requirements as the XO image, but my aim is to fit in one CD and/or as small a USB disk as possible. Content packages will definitely take up the slack :-) cheers, martin -- martin.langhoff at gmail.com martin at laptop.org -- School Server Architect - ask interesting questions - don't get distracted with shiny stuff - working code first - http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Martinlanghoff From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Wed Jul 30 08:36:32 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 14:06:32 +0530 Subject: Pungi and a text-only F9 installer for XS In-Reply-To: <46a038f90807300127g6e63b1c4ue22b7ba7c0ce7929@mail.gmail.com> References: <46a038f90807300127g6e63b1c4ue22b7ba7c0ce7929@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48902810.1080909@fedoraproject.org> Martin Langhoff wrote: > On the F9 track, I have been playing around a bit with Pungi as a > robust - and better fitting - install composer. It has several > advantages over livecd-tools. > > A minor problem is that it's impossible at the moment to build a F9 > install CD without bringing in X.org server, Cairo and a good chunk of > gnome. See > http://marc.info/?l=fedora-buildsys-list&m=121740313820597&w=2 > > A "textonly" splitoff of anaconda and anaconda runtime that drop the X > dependencies would shed ~200 MB of dependencies, and make F9 a better > fit for embedded deployments, making the XS image smaller and nicer > along the way... hint, hint... :-) Have you filed a RFE on this? Rahul From philippe at gcal.net Wed Jul 30 09:41:53 2008 From: philippe at gcal.net (Philippe =?utf-8?q?Cl=C3=A9ri=C3=A9?=) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 04:41:53 -0500 Subject: Introduction Message-ID: <200807300441.53968.philippe@gcal.net> Hello, I've been asked to help some people who are involved with the OLPC project in Haiti. I've been following the OLPC since Nicolas Negroponte announced it way back when plus I've been working with Linux for several years now. So it seems I know a little bit more and I may be useful. I downloaded one the latest images (build 2180 I think) to run on QEMU/KVM. On QEMU it stops with the following message: This kernel requires the following features not present on the CPU: 3dnow KVM does not seem to work at all. I have not been able to find much on these problems. I was hoping someone could shed some light. My computer is running Kubuntu Hardy by the way. :-) I suppose I'll have to switch to Fedora, but I don't have the bandwidth to download a DVD. Regards Philippe ------ The trouble with common sense is that it is so uncommon. From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Wed Jul 30 09:58:17 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 15:28:17 +0530 Subject: Introduction In-Reply-To: <200807300441.53968.philippe@gcal.net> References: <200807300441.53968.philippe@gcal.net> Message-ID: <48903B39.6080803@fedoraproject.org> Philippe Cl?ri? wrote: > Hello, > > I've been asked to help some people who are involved with the OLPC > project in Haiti. I've been following the OLPC since Nicolas Negroponte > announced it way back when plus I've been working with Linux for > several years now. So it seems I know a little bit more and I may be > useful. Welcome. > I suppose I'll have to switch to Fedora, but I don't have the bandwidth > to download a DVD. Fedora has installable live cd's too FYI. http://fedoraproject.org/get-fedora Along with free media http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Distribution/FreeMedia Rahul From martin at martindengler.com Wed Jul 30 10:07:00 2008 From: martin at martindengler.com (Martin Dengler) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 11:07:00 +0100 Subject: Introduction In-Reply-To: <200807300441.53968.philippe@gcal.net> References: <200807300441.53968.philippe@gcal.net> Message-ID: <20080730100700.GM5524@sun.ops-13.xades.com> On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 04:41:53AM -0500, Philippe Cl?ri? wrote: > Hello, > > I've been asked to help some people who are involved with the OLPC > project in Haiti. [...] > My computer is running Kubuntu Hardy by the way. :-) > > I suppose I'll have to switch to Fedora, but I don't have the bandwidth > to download a DVD. I like Fedora but I believe there are a number of people using Ubuntu's Sugar packages: http://sugarlabs.org/go/Community/Distributions/Ubuntu I'm no expert on how compatible the Ubuntu 8.04 (hardy) distribution's packages mentioned on that page are likely to be with what you've got already, unfortunately. But I bet you might get some better advice on irc.freenode.net #sugar . > Regards > Philippe Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I have not been able to find much on > these problems. I was hoping someone could shed some light. > > My computer is running Kubuntu Hardy by the way. :-) > > I suppose I'll have to switch to Fedora, but I don't have the bandwidth > to download a DVD. > > Regards > Philippe Look like other folks have hit this [1]. If you are willing to try another download, can you see if [2] works for you? -- bk [1] http://n2.nabble.com/qemu-on-Kubuntu---error-regarding-3dnow-support.-td431541.html [2] http://sugar.s3.amazonaws.com/sugarAppliance.tar.gz From katzj at redhat.com Wed Jul 30 13:23:58 2008 From: katzj at redhat.com (Jeremy Katz) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 09:23:58 -0400 Subject: Pungi and a text-only F9 installer for XS In-Reply-To: <46a038f90807300127g6e63b1c4ue22b7ba7c0ce7929@mail.gmail.com> References: <46a038f90807300127g6e63b1c4ue22b7ba7c0ce7929@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1217424238.16534.15.camel@aglarond.local> On Wed, 2008-07-30 at 20:27 +1200, Martin Langhoff wrote: > A minor problem is that it's impossible at the moment to build a F9 > install CD without bringing in X.org server, Cairo and a good chunk of > gnome. See > http://marc.info/?l=fedora-buildsys-list&m=121740313820597&w=2 > > A "textonly" splitoff of anaconda and anaconda runtime that drop the X > dependencies would shed ~200 MB of dependencies, and make F9 a better > fit for embedded deployments, making the XS image smaller and nicer > along the way... hint, hint... :-) NAK because the text mode installer is deprecated in major ways -- there's just no way to support the feature set that people want from the installer. But, one of the changes that's been going into pungi this time around (after some changes that went into anaconda for F9) is making it so that have a much smaller repo set on the CD than is used for the buildinstall run. Thus, the installer images are complete (and use X) without requiring all of X, etc packages on the CD Jeremy From dsd at laptop.org Wed Jul 30 14:26:04 2008 From: dsd at laptop.org (Daniel Drake) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 10:26:04 -0400 Subject: PolicyKit-olpc review Message-ID: <1217427964.2682.1.camel@olpc-desktop01.laptop.org> Hi, I'm still looking for someone to review a package: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=454329 I am now in cvsextras but would appreciate review before I take things further - this is my first spec file. Can anyone here help? Are there more appropriate channels for requesting reviews? Thanks, Daniel From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Wed Jul 30 14:37:47 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 20:07:47 +0530 Subject: PolicyKit-olpc review In-Reply-To: <1217427964.2682.1.camel@olpc-desktop01.laptop.org> References: <1217427964.2682.1.camel@olpc-desktop01.laptop.org> Message-ID: <48907CBB.4040303@fedoraproject.org> Daniel Drake wrote: > Hi, > > I'm still looking for someone to review a package: > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=454329 > > I am now in cvsextras but would appreciate review before I take things > further - this is my first spec file. > > Can anyone here help? Are there more appropriate channels for requesting > reviews? I thought of doing a review but then my knowledge on PolicyKit is quite limited. Asking in fedora-devel list would reach a wider audience. Rahul From dsd at laptop.org Wed Jul 30 15:07:28 2008 From: dsd at laptop.org (Daniel Drake) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 11:07:28 -0400 Subject: PolicyKit-olpc review In-Reply-To: <48907CBB.4040303@fedoraproject.org> References: <1217427964.2682.1.camel@olpc-desktop01.laptop.org> <48907CBB.4040303@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1217430448.2682.6.camel@olpc-desktop01.laptop.org> On Wed, 2008-07-30 at 20:07 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > I thought of doing a review but then my knowledge on PolicyKit is quite > limited. Asking in fedora-devel list would reach a wider audience. How about from a spec file perspective? We've already agreed on this mechanism of overriding the policies. Thanks, Daniel From rnorwood at redhat.com Wed Jul 30 15:38:48 2008 From: rnorwood at redhat.com (Robin Norwood) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 11:38:48 -0400 Subject: Release tarballs for OLPC software? Message-ID: <20080730113848.4b6297f1@solitude.devel.redhat.com> Hi, So after working on this list: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PackageMaintainers/WishList#Easy It turns out there simply aren't tarball releases easily available for some of the packages (I noted the ones I couldn't find above). I talked to Scott, and he says: """ You can download tarballs directly from our gitweb instance with a URL like: http://dev.laptop.org/git?p=users/cscott/olpc-contents;a=snapshot;h=olpccontents-2.0 ...but the aforementioned git issue with submodules means you'd need two source lines, one for the main git module and one for the submodule. Hrm. I can make sure the submodule uses the same tag as the parent, so both of the source lines can be constant (using the %{version} macro)... Maybe I should just suck it up and post tarballs somewhere. """ So, my question is, do we need to ask Scott to put tarballs online somewhere for these packages, or can the SRPMS at http://xs-dev.laptop.org/~cscott/repos/joyride/ count as the upstream sources, since they contain the tarballs we'd build from anyway? Does anyone know the answer to this? Thanks, -RN -- Robin Norwood Red Hat, Inc. "The Sage does nothing, yet nothing remains undone." -Lao Tzu, Te Tao Ching From dfarning at sugarlabs.org Wed Jul 30 16:50:52 2008 From: dfarning at sugarlabs.org (David Farning) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 11:50:52 -0500 Subject: Release tarballs for OLPC software? In-Reply-To: <20080730113848.4b6297f1@solitude.devel.redhat.com> References: <20080730113848.4b6297f1@solitude.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1217436653.10485.68.camel@dfarning.desktop.org> On Wed, 2008-07-30 at 11:38 -0400, Robin Norwood wrote: > Hi, > > So after working on this list: > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PackageMaintainers/WishList#Easy > > It turns out there simply aren't tarball releases easily available for > some of the packages (I noted the ones I couldn't find above). I > talked to Scott, and he says: > > """ > You can download tarballs directly from our gitweb instance > with a URL like: > http://dev.laptop.org/git?p=users/cscott/olpc-contents;a=snapshot;h=olpccontents-2.0 If you are have this problem, the rest of the distributions are facing it also. Scott, would it be possible to create a well defined location for tarballs that are intended for downstream consumption. dfarning From morgan.collett at gmail.com Wed Jul 30 18:23:49 2008 From: morgan.collett at gmail.com (Morgan Collett) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 20:23:49 +0200 Subject: Release tarballs for OLPC software? In-Reply-To: <1217436653.10485.68.camel@dfarning.desktop.org> References: <20080730113848.4b6297f1@solitude.devel.redhat.com> <1217436653.10485.68.camel@dfarning.desktop.org> Message-ID: On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 18:50, David Farning wrote: > On Wed, 2008-07-30 at 11:38 -0400, Robin Norwood wrote: >> Hi, >> >> So after working on this list: >> >> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PackageMaintainers/WishList#Easy >> >> It turns out there simply aren't tarball releases easily available for >> some of the packages (I noted the ones I couldn't find above). I >> talked to Scott, and he says: >> >> """ >> You can download tarballs directly from our gitweb instance >> with a URL like: >> http://dev.laptop.org/git?p=users/cscott/olpc-contents;a=snapshot;h=olpccontents-2.0 > > If you are have this problem, the rest of the distributions are facing > it also. > > Scott, would it be possible to create a well defined location for > tarballs that are intended for downstream consumption. In case anyone isn't aware of this, we are publishing sucrose (Sugar stack and some activities) source tarballs at http://dev.laptop.org/pub/sugar/sources/ Regards Morgan From rnorwood at redhat.com Wed Jul 30 18:50:17 2008 From: rnorwood at redhat.com (Robin Norwood) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 14:50:17 -0400 Subject: Progress on packaging list In-Reply-To: <20080729201747.114898a2@solitude.devel.redhat.com> References: <20080729173118.57b87cb9@solitude.devel.redhat.com> <46a038f90807291544p4b035563n77e52f55fff532d8@mail.gmail.com> <20080729201747.114898a2@solitude.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20080730145017.7eb4789b@solitude.devel.redhat.com> On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 20:17:47 -0400 Robin Norwood wrote: > On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 10:44:38 +1200 > "Martin Langhoff" wrote: > > Offtopic: Could you or someone who has a Fedora account update the > > XS entries? I would like to replace them with the link below -- > > which is a trac search for all the items that I tagged 'fedoradev' > > because they are about packaging or require understanding of > > Fedora-specific machinery: > > https://dev.laptop.org/query?status=assigned&status=new&status=reopened&group=milestone&component=school+server&order=priority&col=id&col=summary&col=status&col=priority&keywords=~fedoradev > > Sure, take a look and see if that's what you meant. After taking a look at the tickets in that list, they don't seem directly actionable as far as 'package this', which is what the https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PackageMaintainers/WishList is for - we probably want to keep that link on https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/OLPC or wherever we decide to keep work items. Using fedora hosted is one way that comes to mind. Maybe we can decide this on Friday's meeting. -RN -- Robin Norwood Red Hat, Inc. "The Sage does nothing, yet nothing remains undone." -Lao Tzu, Te Tao Ching From philippe at gcal.net Wed Jul 30 19:40:25 2008 From: philippe at gcal.net (Philippe =?utf-8?q?Cl=C3=A9ri=C3=A9?=) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 14:40:25 -0500 Subject: Introduction In-Reply-To: <48904A46.4090108@redhat.com> References: <200807300441.53968.philippe@gcal.net> <48904A46.4090108@redhat.com> Message-ID: <200807301440.25314.philippe@gcal.net> Thanks for the replies. I'll schedule some overnight downloads. Philippe ------ The trouble with common sense is that it is so uncommon. On Wednesday 30 July 2008 06:02:30 Bryan Kearney wrote: > Philippe Cl?ri? wrote: > > Hello, > > > > I've been asked to help some people who are involved with the OLPC > > project in Haiti. I've been following the OLPC since Nicolas > > Negroponte announced it way back when plus I've been working with > > Linux for several years now. So it seems I know a little bit more > > and I may be useful. > > > > I downloaded one the latest images (build 2180 I think) to run on > > QEMU/KVM. On QEMU it stops with the following message: > > > > This kernel requires the following features not present on the CPU: > > 3dnow > > > > KVM does not seem to work at all. I have not been able to find much > > on these problems. I was hoping someone could shed some light. > > > > My computer is running Kubuntu Hardy by the way. :-) > > > > I suppose I'll have to switch to Fedora, but I don't have the > > bandwidth to download a DVD. > > > > Regards > > Philippe > > Look like other folks have hit this [1]. If you are willing to try > another download, can you see if [2] works for you? > > -- bk > > [1] > http://n2.nabble.com/qemu-on-Kubuntu---error-regarding-3dnow-support. >-td431541.html [2] http://sugar.s3.amazonaws.com/sugarAppliance.tar.gz From martin.langhoff at gmail.com Wed Jul 30 19:59:14 2008 From: martin.langhoff at gmail.com (Martin Langhoff) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 07:59:14 +1200 Subject: Pungi and a text-only F9 installer for XS In-Reply-To: <1217424238.16534.15.camel@aglarond.local> References: <46a038f90807300127g6e63b1c4ue22b7ba7c0ce7929@mail.gmail.com> <1217424238.16534.15.camel@aglarond.local> Message-ID: <46a038f90807301259r69a9b7e7pa47c856942702957@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 1:23 AM, Jeremy Katz wrote: >> A "textonly" splitoff of anaconda and anaconda runtime that drop the X >> dependencies would shed ~200 MB of dependencies, and make F9 a better >> fit for embedded deployments, making the XS image smaller and nicer >> along the way... hint, hint... :-) > > NAK because the text mode installer is deprecated in major ways -- > there's just no way to support the feature set that people want from the > installer. Interesting. I always understood the text installer would be easier to support in alt arches and embedded devices, etc. How do you plan to support installs over serial port on headless boxes? Deprecated with plans to remove or deprecated = not recommended but will keep around? cheers, m -- martin.langhoff at gmail.com martin at laptop.org -- School Server Architect - ask interesting questions - don't get distracted with shiny stuff - working code first - http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Martinlanghoff From martin.langhoff at gmail.com Wed Jul 30 20:34:19 2008 From: martin.langhoff at gmail.com (Martin Langhoff) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 08:34:19 +1200 Subject: Progress on packaging list In-Reply-To: <20080730145017.7eb4789b@solitude.devel.redhat.com> References: <20080729173118.57b87cb9@solitude.devel.redhat.com> <46a038f90807291544p4b035563n77e52f55fff532d8@mail.gmail.com> <20080729201747.114898a2@solitude.devel.redhat.com> <20080730145017.7eb4789b@solitude.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <46a038f90807301334y70fb3ecr5926918bbcfdb924@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 6:50 AM, Robin Norwood wrote: > After taking a look at the tickets in that list, they don't seem > directly actionable as far as 'package this', which is what the > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PackageMaintainers/WishList is for - we > probably want to keep that link on https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/OLPC > or wherever we decide to keep work items. Using fedora hosted is one > way that comes to mind. Maybe we can decide this on Friday's meeting. Fair enough, only 2 are "package this" and it isn't a straightforward package. They aren't "easy" either ;-) At the moment, there are quite a few tasks where knowledge of Fedora internals is required, but they aren't "things to package". cheers, m -- martin.langhoff at gmail.com martin at laptop.org -- School Server Architect - ask interesting questions - don't get distracted with shiny stuff - working code first - http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Martinlanghoff From katzj at redhat.com Wed Jul 30 20:35:52 2008 From: katzj at redhat.com (Jeremy Katz) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 16:35:52 -0400 Subject: Pungi and a text-only F9 installer for XS In-Reply-To: <46a038f90807301259r69a9b7e7pa47c856942702957@mail.gmail.com> References: <46a038f90807300127g6e63b1c4ue22b7ba7c0ce7929@mail.gmail.com> <1217424238.16534.15.camel@aglarond.local> <46a038f90807301259r69a9b7e7pa47c856942702957@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1217450152.16534.78.camel@aglarond.local> On Thu, 2008-07-31 at 07:59 +1200, Martin Langhoff wrote: > On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 1:23 AM, Jeremy Katz wrote: > >> A "textonly" splitoff of anaconda and anaconda runtime that drop the X > >> dependencies would shed ~200 MB of dependencies, and make F9 a better > >> fit for embedded deployments, making the XS image smaller and nicer > >> along the way... hint, hint... :-) > > > > NAK because the text mode installer is deprecated in major ways -- > > there's just no way to support the feature set that people want from the > > installer. > > Interesting. I always understood the text installer would be easier to > support in alt arches and embedded devices, etc. How do you plan to > support installs over serial port on headless boxes? Kickstart and vnc both exist. Text mode limits you to 80x24, lots of problems supporting non-Latin languages, no input methods, poor toolkits, .. the list could go on for a while. You just can't provide the richness of user experience that's really needed to do some of the complex things that people want to do with an install in a text mode environment. And those sorts of complex setups are a lot of times as common, if not more so, on all sorts of things like serial port sand headless boxes > Deprecated with plans to remove or deprecated = not recommended but > will keep around? Deprecated with the eventual plan that text mode exists only for a) Get you into VNC or X b) Kickstart progress and c) A "delete everything, install with the defaults, no questions really asked" mode (maybe) Jeremy From gavin at redhat.com Wed Jul 30 21:01:51 2008 From: gavin at redhat.com (Gavin Romig-Koch) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 17:01:51 -0400 Subject: Squeak and EToys packages In-Reply-To: <20080722161240.GA15620@didacte.laptop.org> References: <4885D192.2010506@redhat.com> <20080722161240.GA15620@didacte.laptop.org> Message-ID: <4890D6BF.8020702@redhat.com> I've started to put together Squeak and EToys spec files, based on both the ones in Bert's joyride rpms [2] and Gerard's Gemi rpms[1]. I'm hopeing Spot is takeing up the licenceing issues with RH legal, but if not I'll take a crack at it later. I noticed that the joyride squeak-vm SRPM contains a tarball, Squeak-3.10-3.src.tar.gz, that doesn't appear to be available from squeakvm.org yet. How is/was this tarball created? Do you or Burt have some script for creating this tarball from the SVN server at squeakvm.org? -gavin... [1] http://math.ifi.uzh.ch/fedora/9/i386/RPMS.gemi/ [2] http://dev.laptop.org/~bert/public_rpms/joyride/ From martin.langhoff at gmail.com Wed Jul 30 21:14:52 2008 From: martin.langhoff at gmail.com (Martin Langhoff) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 09:14:52 +1200 Subject: Pungi and a text-only F9 installer for XS In-Reply-To: <1217450152.16534.78.camel@aglarond.local> References: <46a038f90807300127g6e63b1c4ue22b7ba7c0ce7929@mail.gmail.com> <1217424238.16534.15.camel@aglarond.local> <46a038f90807301259r69a9b7e7pa47c856942702957@mail.gmail.com> <1217450152.16534.78.camel@aglarond.local> Message-ID: <46a038f90807301414n2f8299f4ube50ad6a73667ece@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 8:35 AM, Jeremy Katz wrote: >> Interesting. I always understood the text installer would be easier to >> support in alt arches and embedded devices, etc. How do you plan to >> support installs over serial port on headless boxes? > > Kickstart and vnc both exist. Text mode limits you to 80x24, lots of > problems supporting non-Latin languages, no input methods, poor > toolkits, .. the list could go on for a while. You just can't provide > the richness of user experience that's really needed to do some of the > complex things that people want to do with an install in a text mode > environment. And those sorts of complex setups are a lot of times as > common, if not more so, on all sorts of things like serial port sand > headless boxes I can understand the limitations you describe. Still, embedded devices and headless boxes are a growing space IMHO, and they are definitely the space I am working on, so I care about it. X + VNC is a bit of an awkward setup, it eats ~300MB of installer media space and uses a sizable amount of RAM too. Can it run over serial? Media is getting cheaper, but it's odd to include all that machinery when the target install will _not_ have X. > Deprecated with the eventual plan that text mode exists only for > a) Get you into VNC or X > b) Kickstart progress and > c) A "delete everything, install with the defaults, no questions really > asked" mode (maybe) Thanks - good to hear it's not going away. I will still need a working text mode for the basics however. Am I *that* weird? ;-) cheers, m -- martin.langhoff at gmail.com martin at laptop.org -- School Server Architect - ask interesting questions - don't get distracted with shiny stuff - working code first - http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Martinlanghoff From bkearney at redhat.com Thu Jul 31 16:34:02 2008 From: bkearney at redhat.com (Bryan Kearney) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 12:34:02 -0400 Subject: [Fedora-olpc-list] Re: Looking for Testers: Sugar Appliance In-Reply-To: References: <488DF2B1.1080403@redhat.com> <488E2934.2000807@redhat.com> <468D48CDA71F4FAFB83728A3DFFE2102@Q9450> <488F4BB6.2080603@redhat.com> Message-ID: <4891E97A.9050901@redhat.com> New version was uploaded. Thanks again for looking at it. See comments below. Changes include - fancy boot screen. - eToys, turtle draw, and othr packages -- bk Jerry Williams wrote: > Well at least Terminal works in the new version. > Also networking wasn't working for me last time and still isn't. > I had to run chkconfig network on. > Chkconfig iptables off > Chkconfig ip6tables off This is fixed. > Have the browser working, but still can't see the neighborhood. How should I "see" the neighborhood? > And you can't download anything with the browser either. Yeah, I cant either. How does that work in the real XO? > > It looks like chat is still missing the locale directory. > > On my box I have: > /home/jwilliam/Sugar/sugar-jhbuild/install/share/sugar/activities/Chat.activ > ity > And it has a locale directory. > You have /usr/share/sugar/act ivities/Chat.activity but it doesn't have the > locale directory. This appears to be a bug with the activity. I will see who I need to ask about this. > > Also I have noticed the liveCD has /home/olpc and I know that Pacman has > that path hard coded in it, so it will only run if the home directory is > /home/olpc. > I dont think this matters. The code seems to put a .sugar directory in your home. > And it has /home/olpc/Activities and all of the activities including Chat > are in there. > > When I look at the logs in /home/sugar/.sugar/default/logs > > Looks like journal has an issue with a volume button. > /usr/share/sugar/activities/Journal.activity/volumestool.py line 123, in > __init__ volume.icon_color) I will keep looking. > > Hope this helps, > Jerry Williams > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Bryan Kearney [mailto:bkearney at redhat.com] >> Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 10:56 AM >> To: Jerry Williams >> Cc: fedora-olpc-list at redhat.com >> Subject: Re: [Fedora-olpc-list] Re: Looking for Testers: Sugar Appliance >> >> Thank you for testing. I have uploaded new versions based on your >> comments. Specific items below. >> >> -- bk >> >> >> Jerry Williams wrote: >>> I pulled it into VirtualBox and it boots okay and I can login to sugar. >>> But that is about it. Wish you had the log activity. >> It has been added to the new verison. >> >>> Also the only chat server I have been able to get to work is xochat.org, >> and >>> that is what the livecd has on it. >>> I can't get any of the Activities to run. >>> >>> Looking at Terminal log I see: >>> File "/usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/sugar/activity/activity.py", line >> 59, >>> in >>> Import json >>> importError: No module named json >> I missed this from the kickstart files, and did not know where to look >> for the errors. Thanks for pointeres on both. It is in the new version. >> >>> I installed >>> >> http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/releases/9/Everything/i >> 38 >>> 6/os/Packages/python-json-3.4-3.fc9.noarch.rpm >>> And now terminal works :) >>> And looks like browser also works. >>> Looks like chat is broken because it can't find locale/de/activity.linfo >> for >>> most languages. >> Where should these files be coming from? I looked in the sugar repos >> (http://dev.laptop.org/pub/sugar/fedora) and did not see anything obvious. > > > From martin at martindengler.com Thu Jul 31 20:13:34 2008 From: martin at martindengler.com (Martin Dengler) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 21:13:34 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-olpc-list] Re: Looking for Testers: Sugar Appliance In-Reply-To: <4891E97A.9050901@redhat.com> References: <488DF2B1.1080403@redhat.com> <488E2934.2000807@redhat.com> <468D48CDA71F4FAFB83728A3DFFE2102@Q9450> <488F4BB6.2080603@redhat.com> <4891E97A.9050901@redhat.com> Message-ID: <20080731201333.GU5524@sun.ops-13.xades.com> [sorry to reply to the GP via the P] On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 12:34:02PM -0400, Bryan Kearney wrote: > Jerry Williams wrote: > >Looks like journal has an issue with a volume button. > >/usr/share/sugar/activities/Journal.activity/volumestool.py line 123, in > >__init__ volume.icon_color) The list might be interested in the debugging environment variables available in ~olpc/.xsession.example, which can be used by uncommenting the desired ones, cp/mv to ~olpc/.xsession, and restarting X (at least in the OLPC distro, not sure about the Sugar Appliance). Check http://wiki.laptop.org/go/AttachingSugarLogsToTickets http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Telepathy_debugging ...for more background. > >Hope this helps, > >Jerry Williams Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From jwilliam at xmission.com Thu Jul 31 21:32:18 2008 From: jwilliam at xmission.com (Jerry Williams) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 15:32:18 -0600 Subject: [Fedora-olpc-list] Re: Looking for Testers: Sugar Appliance In-Reply-To: <4891E97A.9050901@redhat.com> References: <488DF2B1.1080403@redhat.com> <488E2934.2000807@redhat.com> <468D48CDA71F4FAFB83728A3DFFE2102@Q9450> <488F4BB6.2080603@redhat.com> <4891E97A.9050901@redhat.com> Message-ID: You should post the link for the file each time. There are people that might have just come on board. Well I had to do chkconfig network on and start network to get a connection. I wish you had gcc installed, I am running this on VirtualBox and I can't install the additions so that I can cut and paste things. :( From: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/AttachingSugarLogsToTickets The file /home/olpc/.xsession-example contains other settings useful for debugging, you can copy individual lines from this or copy the entire file to /home/olpc/.xsession. Could you add the .xessions-example file? Looks like browser is old need version 94. I am seeing an error in WebActivity log: TypeError: promptForSaveToFile() takes exactly 5 arguments (6 given) Installed Browser-94 and now it won't run, browser.py line 30, in from hulahop.webview import lookup_view ImportError: cannot import name lookup_view Also in JournalActivity log; File "/usr/share/sugar/activities/Journal.activity/volumestoolbar.py", line 123, in __init__ volume.icon_color) TypeError: __init__() takes exactly 1 argument (4 given) > -----Original Message----- > From: Bryan Kearney [mailto:bkearney at redhat.com] > Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 10:34 AM > To: Jerry Williams > Cc: fedora-olpc-list at redhat.com > Subject: Re: [Fedora-olpc-list] Re: Looking for Testers: Sugar Appliance > > New version was uploaded. Thanks again for looking at it. See comments > below. Changes include > > - fancy boot screen. > - eToys, turtle draw, and othr packages > > -- bk > > > Jerry Williams wrote: > > Well at least Terminal works in the new version. > > Also networking wasn't working for me last time and still isn't. > > I had to run chkconfig network on. > > Chkconfig iptables off > > Chkconfig ip6tables off > > This is fixed. > > > Have the browser working, but still can't see the neighborhood. > How should I "see" the neighborhood? > > > And you can't download anything with the browser either. > > Yeah, I cant either. How does that work in the real XO? > > > > > It looks like chat is still missing the locale directory. > > > > On my box I have: > > /home/jwilliam/Sugar/sugar- > jhbuild/install/share/sugar/activities/Chat.activ > > ity > > And it has a locale directory. > > You have /usr/share/sugar/act > ivities/Chat.activity but it doesn't have the > > locale directory. > > This appears to be a bug with the activity. I will see who I need to ask > about this. > > > > > Also I have noticed the liveCD has /home/olpc and I know that Pacman has > > that path hard coded in it, so it will only run if the home directory is > > /home/olpc. > > > > I dont think this matters. The code seems to put a .sugar directory in > your home. > > > And it has /home/olpc/Activities and all of the activities including > Chat > > are in there. > > > > When I look at the logs in /home/sugar/.sugar/default/logs > > > > Looks like journal has an issue with a volume button. > > /usr/share/sugar/activities/Journal.activity/volumestool.py line 123, in > > __init__ volume.icon_color) > > > I will keep looking. > > > > > Hope this helps, > > Jerry Williams > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Bryan Kearney [mailto:bkearney at redhat.com] > >> Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 10:56 AM > >> To: Jerry Williams > >> Cc: fedora-olpc-list at redhat.com > >> Subject: Re: [Fedora-olpc-list] Re: Looking for Testers: Sugar > Appliance > >> > >> Thank you for testing. I have uploaded new versions based on your > >> comments. Specific items below. > >> > >> -- bk > >> > >> > >> Jerry Williams wrote: > >>> I pulled it into VirtualBox and it boots okay and I can login to > sugar. > >>> But that is about it. Wish you had the log activity. > >> It has been added to the new verison. > >> > >>> Also the only chat server I have been able to get to work is > xochat.org, > >> and > >>> that is what the livecd has on it. > >>> I can't get any of the Activities to run. > >>> > >>> Looking at Terminal log I see: > >>> File "/usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/sugar/activity/activity.py", > line > >> 59, > >>> in > >>> Import json > >>> importError: No module named json > >> I missed this from the kickstart files, and did not know where to look > >> for the errors. Thanks for pointeres on both. It is in the new version. > >> > >>> I installed > >>> > >> > http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/releases/9/Everything/i > >> 38 > >>> 6/os/Packages/python-json-3.4-3.fc9.noarch.rpm > >>> And now terminal works :) > >>> And looks like browser also works. > >>> Looks like chat is broken because it can't find > locale/de/activity.linfo > >> for > >>> most languages. > >> Where should these files be coming from? I looked in the sugar repos > >> (http://dev.laptop.org/pub/sugar/fedora) and did not see anything > obvious. > > > > > >