From mpgritti at gmail.com Mon Nov 3 07:31:38 2008 From: mpgritti at gmail.com (Marco Pesenti Gritti) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 08:31:38 +0100 Subject: Activities packaging In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 1:53 PM, Greg Dekoenigsberg wrote: > > On Fri, 31 Oct 2008, Marco Pesenti Gritti wrote: > >> A general note about activities packaging... It seem like some of the >> packages submitted for review uses git snapshots. I would prefer to get >> releases from upstream for various reasons. I wrote a script to make it >> trivial to make a source release and I'm figuring out the best way to >> solicit activity authors to get in the habit. > > If the script is trivial, perhaps it's something we put on the shoulders of > the packagers, rather than the maintainers? Perhaps the packagers could collaborate with the maintainers on it? Some level of collaboration is necessary to ensure that a certain release means the same things on all the distributions, and that we do package code that is ready to be. Also the release script does things like uploading to the official source repo and sending out announcement mail, which obviously needs to be agreed with the maintainer. Without the above conditions, it's probably better to just release from git, which is better than nothing for packages on which we can't get maintainers collaboration. Marco From morgan.collett at gmail.com Mon Nov 3 08:09:19 2008 From: morgan.collett at gmail.com (Morgan Collett) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 10:09:19 +0200 Subject: Activities packaging In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 09:31, Marco Pesenti Gritti wrote: > On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 1:53 PM, Greg Dekoenigsberg wrote: >> >> On Fri, 31 Oct 2008, Marco Pesenti Gritti wrote: >> >>> A general note about activities packaging... It seem like some of the >>> packages submitted for review uses git snapshots. I would prefer to get >>> releases from upstream for various reasons. I wrote a script to make it >>> trivial to make a source release and I'm figuring out the best way to >>> solicit activity authors to get in the habit. >> >> If the script is trivial, perhaps it's something we put on the shoulders of >> the packagers, rather than the maintainers? > > Perhaps the packagers could collaborate with the maintainers on it? > Some level of collaboration is necessary to ensure that a certain > release means the same things on all the distributions, and that we do > package code that is ready to be. Also the release script does things > like uploading to the official source repo and sending out > announcement mail, which obviously needs to be agreed with the > maintainer. > > Without the above conditions, it's probably better to just release > from git, which is better than nothing for packages on which we can't > get maintainers collaboration. Getting releases done in a standard process helps all the distro packagers, as we know where to go to get the latest, or a particular, version of the source tarball or the .xo. Perhaps we could identify a set of packages which we want to maintain well, and either encourage the author to follow the release process or do the extra steps ourselves, for the benefit of Fedora, Debian, Ubuntu etc. Here are my recommendations for activity authors/maintainers, especially those not already following the Frucrose process: * Release early, release often. Don't wait for some level of completeness - if it runs, ship it! Others will be able to contribute, or comment, if they can see it in action, no matter how early the project is. Don't do a release for every commit, but every time there is a significant improvement, get it out there. If pootle is adding translations to your git repository, do periodic releases to bring in the new translations. * Use a revision control system. Git is not easy to learn, but once it's up and running you only use three or four commands on a regular basis. Getting your code versioned means others can see the progress, and can contribute patches by branching into their own repos and committing, ensuring that code doesn't get lost. It also helps when a maintainer wants to hand over the project to someone else, or when others want to get involved. If you don't use git, use something at least. Commit your changes in discrete commits that include only related changes. Don't reformat the source code and add new features in the same commit. Rather do it in separate commits, so that others can see what changed for the features or fixes. Try to not include more than one feature or fix in a single commit. If you need help with git, ask on IRC or a mailing list. * If possible, don't publish the actual .xo files as uploads to the OLPC (or any other) wiki. It puts a big drain on the wiki when lots of people download .xo files from the wiki. They should preferably be linked from the wiki but actually hosted on a conventional web server. OLPC provides hosting - http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Project_hosting. If you applied and didn't hear back, ask again. You can use the shell account on dev.laptop.org to host the .xo files - I put mine in my public_html/bundles so they show up at http://dev.laptop.org/~morgan/bundles. Regards Morgan From mpgritti at gmail.com Mon Nov 3 16:32:04 2008 From: mpgritti at gmail.com (Marco Pesenti Gritti) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 17:32:04 +0100 Subject: [IAEP] Announcing Fedora Sugar Spin! In-Reply-To: <490F23B1.2070103@when.com> References: <490A2818.8090209@when.com> <490F23B1.2070103@when.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 5:15 PM, Sebastian Dziallas wrote: > http://alt.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/olpc/0.82/i686/sugar-spin.iso Should we start versioning the images? I'm not sure if we have disk space to keep the old ones around, but even if we don't... I have a few sugar-spin.iso on my disk and I have no idea anymore how recent/old they are :) Marco From sebastian at when.com Mon Nov 3 16:15:45 2008 From: sebastian at when.com (Sebastian Dziallas) Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 17:15:45 +0100 Subject: Announcing Fedora Sugar Spin! In-Reply-To: <490A2818.8090209@when.com> References: <490A2818.8090209@when.com> Message-ID: <490F23B1.2070103@when.com> Sebastian Dziallas wrote: > Hi everybody, > > I'm proud to be announce the availability of our Fedora Sugar Spin, > which incorporates the Sugar Desktop Environment on a Fedora Live CD. > > So, what is this in specific? With this spin, you'll be able to run > Sugar, which is developed by Sugarlabs and the desktop environment used > on the OLPC, directly from a Live CD! You'll find several activities on > the image including most notably... > > * sugar-browse - a web browsing activity based on xulrunner > * sugar-write - a word processor based on abiword > > ...among with several other applications introducing e.g. chat support. > > We, the OLPC SIG, will be importing further activities into Fedora, > which might be installed using 'yum install sugar-*' at a later time. > > Where can you get it? Easily, here: > > http://sdz.fedorapeople.org/olpc/sugar-spin.iso Okay, this link is now highly obsolete! Please don't use it or link to it anymore. The image there has been removed, since it has a new home. You'll find it at it's new location, which is here: http://alt.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/olpc/0.82/i686/sugar-spin.iso > Here's the SHA1 checksum, just if you're interested: > > f032ab45aa116c2728dcd2d676e29a5ee114fd1d sugar-spin.iso > > And what if you wanted to put it quickly onto your USB Key? Even easier! > You'll just need to grab Luke Macken's liveusb-creator, which already > includes support for the Sugar Spin. Here's the link: > > https://fedorahosted.org/releases/l/i/liveusb-creator/liveusb-creator-3.0.zip The liveusb-creator link to the Sugar Spin is still the old one, so you'll need to download the image manually from the new location above, until this gets fixed. We're working on it! > Thank you everybody, who made this possible! > > --Sebastian Again, thanks! --Sebastian From jlaska at redhat.com Mon Nov 3 18:04:41 2008 From: jlaska at redhat.com (James Laska) Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 13:04:41 -0500 Subject: Fedora XO Network Test - meeting#2 In-Reply-To: <1224861043.3342.79.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1224711119.23750.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <49006847.1090307@redhat.com> <49006BD2.3000706@redhat.com> <1224861043.3342.79.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1225735481.3802.54.camel@localhost.localdomain> Greetings folks, By now everyone has had a chance to review Vadim's proposed test plan. Several of you have added/modified the page already. Thank you! https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/TestPlans/Network If you're not working on anything, please: 1. review/modify the posted test pan 2. select a task to test against Snap3 (PreviewRelease expected soon) I'd like to organize another meeting for this Wednesday November 5, preferably before 18:00 UTC for folks in CZ. How does between 8am EST (13:00 UTC) and 1pm EST (18:00 UTC) look for folks? Thanks, James -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <49099D67.6030902@webpath.net> References: <49073C6F.1000609@webpath.net> <2bcfd3d60810280947k27bf6ec4i4153fa993ebae1d8@mail.gmail.com> <4907441F.4020908@webpath.net> <2bcfd3d60810281104h20afedb8ve9cc4751baceee8e@mail.gmail.com> <4908999F.3020409@webpath.net> <49099D67.6030902@webpath.net> Message-ID: <4911DD44.7040202@webpath.net> Would someone be interested in fact-checking this for me before it's made public? http://on-disk.com/cms/index.php?wiki=Fedora_Live_on_One_Laptop_Per_Child_XO Thank you, Todd From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Wed Nov 5 17:57:53 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2008 23:27:53 +0530 Subject: Fact-check - Fedora OLPC article. In-Reply-To: <4911DD44.7040202@webpath.net> References: <49073C6F.1000609@webpath.net> <2bcfd3d60810280947k27bf6ec4i4153fa993ebae1d8@mail.gmail.com> <4907441F.4020908@webpath.net> <2bcfd3d60810281104h20afedb8ve9cc4751baceee8e@mail.gmail.com> <4908999F.3020409@webpath.net> <49099D67.6030902@webpath.net> <4911DD44.7040202@webpath.net> Message-ID: <4911DEA1.8080709@fedoraproject.org> Todd Robinson wrote: > Would someone be interested in fact-checking this for me before it's > made public? > http://on-disk.com/cms/index.php?wiki=Fedora_Live_on_One_Laptop_Per_Child_XO > I don't think Atari cartridges work as a good analogy except for a small niche audience. You might want to try some simpler explanation instead. Also, a random list of linux distributions at the end doesn't work very well in a article about Fedora and OLPC. If you want to, you can highlight other Linux distributions with OLPC focus. Rahul From mpgritti at gmail.com Wed Nov 5 18:07:49 2008 From: mpgritti at gmail.com (Marco Pesenti Gritti) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 19:07:49 +0100 Subject: Boot liveusb from cd Message-ID: Hello, I wrote a quick script to generate a boot cd for a liveusb image with overlay. It can be useful on old systems which doesn't support boot from usb. http://www.sugarlabs.org/~marco/livecd-iso-to-boot.sh http://www.sugarlabs.org/~marco/boot.iso (for the latest sugar-spin.iso) Marco From martin.langhoff at gmail.com Wed Nov 5 18:28:55 2008 From: martin.langhoff at gmail.com (Martin Langhoff) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 13:28:55 -0500 Subject: Fact-check - Fedora OLPC article. In-Reply-To: <4911DEA1.8080709@fedoraproject.org> References: <49073C6F.1000609@webpath.net> <2bcfd3d60810280947k27bf6ec4i4153fa993ebae1d8@mail.gmail.com> <4907441F.4020908@webpath.net> <2bcfd3d60810281104h20afedb8ve9cc4751baceee8e@mail.gmail.com> <4908999F.3020409@webpath.net> <49099D67.6030902@webpath.net> <4911DD44.7040202@webpath.net> <4911DEA1.8080709@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <46a038f90811051028m59cf92cfjac8e9b25a76ac8d2@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 12:57 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Also, a random list of linux distributions at the end doesn't work very well > in a article about Fedora and OLPC. If you want to, you can highlight other > Linux distributions with OLPC focus. Agreed. And the good list of those is here :-) http://sugarlabs.org/go/Supported_systems cheers, m -- martin.langhoff at gmail.com martin at laptop.org -- School Server Architect - ask interesting questions - don't get distracted with shiny stuff - working code first - http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Martinlanghoff From todd at webpath.net Wed Nov 5 19:29:05 2008 From: todd at webpath.net (Todd Robinson) Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2008 14:29:05 -0500 Subject: Fact-check - Fedora OLPC article. In-Reply-To: <46a038f90811051028m59cf92cfjac8e9b25a76ac8d2@mail.gmail.com> References: <49073C6F.1000609@webpath.net> <2bcfd3d60810280947k27bf6ec4i4153fa993ebae1d8@mail.gmail.com> <4907441F.4020908@webpath.net> <2bcfd3d60810281104h20afedb8ve9cc4751baceee8e@mail.gmail.com> <4908999F.3020409@webpath.net> <49099D67.6030902@webpath.net> <4911DD44.7040202@webpath.net> <4911DEA1.8080709@fedoraproject.org> <46a038f90811051028m59cf92cfjac8e9b25a76ac8d2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4911F401.2@webpath.net> Thanks guys. When I began the article it was intended to be about how good "Live" Flash/SD installations work under linux, and the "random list" was actually a list of the best performing Live Persistent distributions we've had the privileged of putting on Flash Drives. But I was also wanting to throw Fedora at the top of the list for the effort with the F10/XO...so I basically chunked it in at the beginning and end. Anyway, I've updated the short article with the sugarlab.org info, inserted a missing heading, and re-arranged the "random list" which helped clean it up. Thanks again! ~Todd Martin Langhoff wrote: > On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 12:57 PM, Rahul Sundaram > wrote: > >> Also, a random list of linux distributions at the end doesn't work very well >> in a article about Fedora and OLPC. If you want to, you can highlight other >> Linux distributions with OLPC focus. >> > > Agreed. And the good list of those is here :-) > http://sugarlabs.org/go/Supported_systems > > cheers, > > > > m > From gdk at redhat.com Thu Nov 6 15:01:37 2008 From: gdk at redhat.com (Greg Dekoenigsberg) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 10:01:37 -0500 (EST) Subject: Fedora-OLPC meeting today, 1pm Eastern US time Message-ID: Hello all. Your friendly weekly meeting reminder. See you at 1pm Eastern US time on irc.freenode.net, channel #fedora-olpc. Agenda, as always, at: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/OLPC/Tasks Should be a pretty light week, since we've covered most of this gronud and are simply doing weekly updates, so if there are any particular open items you'd like to discuss, this would be a good week to bring them up. --g --g From karlie_robinson at webpath.net Thu Nov 6 15:12:28 2008 From: karlie_robinson at webpath.net (Karlie Robinson) Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2008 10:12:28 -0500 Subject: In the News - Was: Fact-check - Fedora OLPC article. In-Reply-To: <4911F401.2@webpath.net> References: <49073C6F.1000609@webpath.net> <2bcfd3d60810280947k27bf6ec4i4153fa993ebae1d8@mail.gmail.com> <4907441F.4020908@webpath.net> <2bcfd3d60810281104h20afedb8ve9cc4751baceee8e@mail.gmail.com> <4908999F.3020409@webpath.net> <49099D67.6030902@webpath.net> <4911DD44.7040202@webpath.net> <4911DEA1.8080709@fedoraproject.org> <46a038f90811051028m59cf92cfjac8e9b25a76ac8d2@mail.gmail.com> <4911F401.2@webpath.net> Message-ID: <4913095C.8030109@webpath.net> Our site stats are showing that the following website picked up Todd's article and as a result, we've got our first SD Card pre-order! (only 159 to go to pay off the $4,800 SD card bill - lol) Primary poster http://www.linuxtoday.com/infrastructure/2008110600635NWRHRL http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2008-11-06-006-35-NW-RH-RL Feeds picking up the Linux Today post http://www.linux.com/feed/152463 http://lxer.com/ From ivazqueznet at gmail.com Thu Nov 6 16:35:56 2008 From: ivazqueznet at gmail.com (Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams) Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2008 11:35:56 -0500 Subject: Removing reset_overlay Message-ID: <1225989356.4625.43.camel@ignacio.lan> So I went and removed reset_overlay from olpc.fth, thinking that I would then be able to save changes made to the system. However, I found on boot that /home doesn't get mounted because /dev/mtd0 doesn't exist. What could cause this, and how can we fix it? -- Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams PLEASE don't CC me; I'm already subscribed -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <49143F74.9010001@webpath.net> References: <49143F74.9010001@webpath.net> Message-ID: <4914439D.6040203@redhat.com> Todd Robinson wrote: > Is there a Fedora XO Preview Release available? > > The latest I can find at the moment is Snap3, but the wiki indicates > that a preview release became available on the 4th? > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-olpc-list mailing list > Fedora-olpc-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-olpc-list http://fedoraproject.org/en/get-prerelease -- bk From todd at webpath.net Fri Nov 7 13:55:17 2008 From: todd at webpath.net (Todd Robinson) Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2008 08:55:17 -0500 Subject: Page update In-Reply-To: <4914439D.6040203@redhat.com> References: <49143F74.9010001@webpath.net> <4914439D.6040203@redhat.com> Message-ID: <491448C5.7010804@webpath.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Give one Get one starts in just a few days at amazon.com/xo and there's not much known about the F10 option. Could you help create some buzz? Digg it at http://digg.com/linux_unix/Fedora_10_a_Live_solution_for_One_Laptop_Per_Child For those of you who "Stumble" could you give http://on-disk.com/cms/index.php?wiki=Fedora_Live_on_One_Laptop_Per_Child_XOa thumbs up? Tweet about F10 on the XO, anything you can think of. This doesn't just spread Fedora, but it helps the OLPC mission in a big way. For every person who wants an XO, a child will receive a lifetime of learning. Let us know about any other articles you find talking about F10 on the XO so we can digg, tweet and Stumble it. If you're not the Social networking type, can you help the rest of us come up with talking points to promote this F10 as an option for the XO? The marketing points I have so far ... ... makes the XO behave like other small form factor (SFF) laptops. ... This is an exclusive piece of hardware. You can't get an XO just anywhere. ... When you buy an XO you're helping children - you can't say that about other SFF Laptops ... There's no need to skip the XO because you're not hyped about the child-friendly Desktop Environment. With Fedora on the XO, you'll be computing like you normally do. ... How 'bout that wifi? Those 'ears' double the hot spots you could normally connect to. (No, really! When connecting at home with ordinary wireless devices, I see 2-3 other networks. With the XO I see 5-6) ~Karlie From tomeu at tomeuvizoso.net Mon Nov 10 10:29:31 2008 From: tomeu at tomeuvizoso.net (Tomeu Vizoso) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 11:29:31 +0100 Subject: updating telepathy in OLPC's F9-based images Message-ID: <242851610811100229m588e4270nb602e1f43c44f8bd@mail.gmail.com> Hi all, I'm having some trouble updating the telepathy packages in joyride, which is a prerequisite for updating sugar. My plan was to update the telepathy* packages in F9 to the sources of those packages in F10, but I'm having some trouble in getting commit permissions to do that. Perhaps that's not the best way and we should request OLPC-3 branches instead? Or build packages out of koji until we move joyride to F10? Or perhaps we could update to F10 right away? ;) Please advise. Thanks, Tomeu From morgan.collett at gmail.com Mon Nov 10 10:57:19 2008 From: morgan.collett at gmail.com (Morgan Collett) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 12:57:19 +0200 Subject: updating telepathy in OLPC's F9-based images In-Reply-To: <242851610811100229m588e4270nb602e1f43c44f8bd@mail.gmail.com> References: <242851610811100229m588e4270nb602e1f43c44f8bd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 12:29, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: > Hi all, > > I'm having some trouble updating the telepathy packages in joyride, > which is a prerequisite for updating sugar. > > My plan was to update the telepathy* packages in F9 to the sources of > those packages in F10, but I'm having some trouble in getting commit > permissions to do that. > > Perhaps that's not the best way and we should request OLPC-3 branches > instead? Or build packages out of koji until we move joyride to F10? > Or perhaps we could update to F10 right away? ;) telepathy-gabble and telepathy-salut have OLPC-3 branches since we carry rainbow-specific patches for OLPC builds. I have access there IIRC. I'll see if I have ACLs to update telepathy-glib and python-telepathy in F-9 too. Regards Morgan From tomeu at tomeuvizoso.net Mon Nov 10 11:06:55 2008 From: tomeu at tomeuvizoso.net (Tomeu Vizoso) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 12:06:55 +0100 Subject: updating telepathy in OLPC's F9-based images In-Reply-To: References: <242851610811100229m588e4270nb602e1f43c44f8bd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <242851610811100306j459ac544p19cea4cc27dc6753@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 11:57 AM, Morgan Collett wrote: > On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 12:29, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> I'm having some trouble updating the telepathy packages in joyride, >> which is a prerequisite for updating sugar. >> >> My plan was to update the telepathy* packages in F9 to the sources of >> those packages in F10, but I'm having some trouble in getting commit >> permissions to do that. >> >> Perhaps that's not the best way and we should request OLPC-3 branches >> instead? Or build packages out of koji until we move joyride to F10? >> Or perhaps we could update to F10 right away? ;) > > telepathy-gabble and telepathy-salut have OLPC-3 branches since we > carry rainbow-specific patches for OLPC builds. I have access there > IIRC. > > I'll see if I have ACLs to update telepathy-glib and python-telepathy > in F-9 too. Sweet, once we have those in, I'll push my sugar updates. Thanks, Tomeu From dennis at ausil.us Mon Nov 10 14:26:35 2008 From: dennis at ausil.us (Dennis Gilmore) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 08:26:35 -0600 Subject: [sugar] updating telepathy in OLPC's F9-based images In-Reply-To: <242851610811100229m588e4270nb602e1f43c44f8bd@mail.gmail.com> References: <242851610811100229m588e4270nb602e1f43c44f8bd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200811100826.36716.dennis@ausil.us> On Monday 10 November 2008 04:29:31 am Tomeu Vizoso wrote: > Hi all, > > I'm having some trouble updating the telepathy packages in joyride, > which is a prerequisite for updating sugar. > > My plan was to update the telepathy* packages in F9 to the sources of > those packages in F10, but I'm having some trouble in getting commit > permissions to do that. > > Perhaps that's not the best way and we should request OLPC-3 branches > instead? Or build packages out of koji until we move joyride to F10? > Or perhaps we could update to F10 right away? ;) Just to make sure that everyone is aware. devel has been branched for F-10 now. in your fedora cvs checkouts run cvs up -d and you will pull in a new F-10 branch. devel is now targeted at F-11 Dennis From juliano at lec.ufrgs.br Mon Nov 10 15:32:38 2008 From: juliano at lec.ufrgs.br (Juliano Bittencourt) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 13:32:38 -0200 Subject: How to install Fedora on a SD card Message-ID: Hey all, I want to install Fedora on my SanDisk Extreme III card and boot on my XO. I tried to look around the wiki and the archives of this list to find the instructions, but I didn't found anything. Can someone point me to the message and/or page with the instructions to do this procedure? Thanks a lot, Juliano Juliano Bittencourt Laborat?rio de Estudos Cognitivos - LEC Address: Rua Ramiro Barcelos, 2600 - Bairro Santa Cec?lia - Porto Alegre - RS - Brasil Phone: +55 51 3308 5250 and +55 51 3308 5690 From ed at laptop.org Mon Nov 10 15:37:07 2008 From: ed at laptop.org (Ed McNierney) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 10:37:07 -0500 Subject: How to install Fedora on a SD card In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Juliano - You can find the instructions here: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/TestPlans/ Fedora10_On_XO#When_you_get_an_XO If you are not using a clean, fresh SD card and have troubles, you should reformat it using the exact instructions given at: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraLiveCD/ USBHowTo#Errors_and_Solutions - Ed On Nov 10, 2008, at 10:32 AM, Juliano Bittencourt wrote: > > Hey all, > > I want to install Fedora on my SanDisk Extreme III card and > boot on my XO. I tried to look around the wiki and the archives of > this list to find the instructions, but I didn't found anything. Can > someone point me to the message and/or page with the instructions to > do this procedure? > > Thanks a lot, > > Juliano > > Juliano Bittencourt > Laborat?rio de Estudos Cognitivos - LEC > > Address: Rua Ramiro Barcelos, 2600 - Bairro Santa Cec?lia - Porto > Alegre - RS - Brasil > Phone: +55 51 3308 5250 and +55 51 3308 5690 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-olpc-list mailing list > Fedora-olpc-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-olpc-list From mpgritti at gmail.com Tue Nov 11 01:09:46 2008 From: mpgritti at gmail.com (Marco Pesenti Gritti) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 02:09:46 +0100 Subject: [IAEP] Announcing Fedora Sugar Spin! In-Reply-To: <5d2dce520811101703r8da9b3axb3ca0468953b9c68@mail.gmail.com> References: <490A2818.8090209@when.com> <5d2dce520811101703r8da9b3axb3ca0468953b9c68@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 2:03 AM, Bill Kerr wrote: > This was easy and quick to make using the liveusb creator > > Problems: > > not enough activities We are working on it. Going a bit slowly because we are trying to get as many as possible issues fixed upstream rather than by patching problems in the rpms. Should pay off in the longer term :) > collaboration did not work out of the box when tested on my network at > school :-( Network is pretty broken because we don't support NetworkManager 0.7. Simon is working on it and making fast progresses. > shutdown does not work from drop down xo icon Can you open a ticket at dev.sugarlabs.org? It's probably an upstream issue. Marco From mpgritti at gmail.com Tue Nov 11 09:50:26 2008 From: mpgritti at gmail.com (Marco Pesenti Gritti) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 10:50:26 +0100 Subject: Rebase joyride to Fedora 10 Message-ID: Hello, we are planning to rebase to Fedora 10 for OLPC 9.1 and we would better start on it asap. I'm not sure what needs to happen at the build system level exactly but my guess would be: * Create an OLPC-4 branch based on Fedora 10. * Create the various dist-olpc4-* tags. * Move pilgrim to use those. Who can help with the Fedora side of things? Thanks, Marco From pbrobinson at gmail.com Tue Nov 11 10:12:43 2008 From: pbrobinson at gmail.com (Peter Robinson) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 10:12:43 +0000 Subject: [IAEP] Announcing Fedora Sugar Spin! In-Reply-To: References: <490A2818.8090209@when.com> <5d2dce520811101703r8da9b3axb3ca0468953b9c68@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5256d0b0811110212q681eb70bwa809c9d43567f0b6@mail.gmail.com> Hi Marco, > We are working on it. Going a bit slowly because we are trying to get > as many as possible issues fixed upstream rather than by patching > problems in the rpms. Should pay off in the longer term :) > >> collaboration did not work out of the box when tested on my network at >> school :-( > > Network is pretty broken because we don't support NetworkManager 0.7. > Simon is working on it and making fast progresses. Is this work being tracked by a tracker or RHBZ bug? Peter From mpgritti at gmail.com Tue Nov 11 10:19:25 2008 From: mpgritti at gmail.com (Marco Pesenti Gritti) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 11:19:25 +0100 Subject: [IAEP] Announcing Fedora Sugar Spin! In-Reply-To: <5256d0b0811110212q681eb70bwa809c9d43567f0b6@mail.gmail.com> References: <490A2818.8090209@when.com> <5d2dce520811101703r8da9b3axb3ca0468953b9c68@mail.gmail.com> <5256d0b0811110212q681eb70bwa809c9d43567f0b6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 11:12 AM, Peter Robinson wrote: > Hi Marco, > >> We are working on it. Going a bit slowly because we are trying to get >> as many as possible issues fixed upstream rather than by patching >> problems in the rpms. Should pay off in the longer term :) >> >>> collaboration did not work out of the box when tested on my network at >>> school :-( >> >> Network is pretty broken because we don't support NetworkManager 0.7. >> Simon is working on it and making fast progresses. > > Is this work being tracked by a tracker or RHBZ bug? Hello! part of it already landed on sugar master. Another part is tracked by: http://dev.sugarlabs.org/ticket/2 And I just opened a Fedora bug to track the backport to 0.82 for Fedora 10: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=470998 Marco From gdk at redhat.com Tue Nov 11 11:45:42 2008 From: gdk at redhat.com (Greg Dekoenigsberg) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 06:45:42 -0500 (EST) Subject: [IAEP] Announcing Fedora Sugar Spin! In-Reply-To: <5d2dce520811101703r8da9b3axb3ca0468953b9c68@mail.gmail.com> References: <490A2818.8090209@when.com> <5d2dce520811101703r8da9b3axb3ca0468953b9c68@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 11 Nov 2008, Bill Kerr wrote: > Problems: > * not enough activities This will become better over time. Since we need to package activities for Fedora and they need to be reviewed, there can be a bit of a lag. The activities should be coming online continually. > * collaboration did not work out of the box when tested on my network > at school :-( Meaning what, exactly? Can you be more specific? > * shutdown does not work from drop down xo icon Yeah, I noticed that in my previous attempts, too. --g From ed at laptop.org Tue Nov 11 13:44:48 2008 From: ed at laptop.org (Ed McNierney) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 08:44:48 -0500 Subject: Rebase joyride to Fedora 10 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Marco - I know that CJB has been thinking about this for a little while and may already have some info/answers. I realize he can better speak for himself, but he's in Uruguay and I don't know how regular his email access is. But be sure to get his input before making too many specific plans - thanks! - Ed On 11/11/08 4:50 AM, "Marco Pesenti Gritti" wrote: > Hello, > > we are planning to rebase to Fedora 10 for OLPC 9.1 and we would > better start on it asap. I'm not sure what needs to happen at the > build system level exactly but my guess would be: > > * Create an OLPC-4 branch based on Fedora 10. > * Create the various dist-olpc4-* tags. > * Move pilgrim to use those. > > Who can help with the Fedora side of things? > > Thanks, > Marco > _______________________________________________ > Devel mailing list > Devel at lists.laptop.org > http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel From cjb at laptop.org Tue Nov 11 13:53:08 2008 From: cjb at laptop.org (Chris Ball) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 08:53:08 -0500 Subject: Rebase joyride to Fedora 10 In-Reply-To: (Ed McNierney's message of "Tue, 11 Nov 2008 08:44:48 -0500") References: Message-ID: Hi all, >> * Create an OLPC-4 branch based on Fedora 10. >> * Create the various dist-olpc4-* tags. >> * Move pilgrim to use those. >> Who can help with the Fedora side of things? > Marco - I know that CJB has been thinking about this for a little > while and may already have some info/answers. I realize he can > better speak for himself, but he's in Uruguay and I don't know how > regular his email access is. But be sure to get his input before > making too many specific plans - thanks! Michael and I are fine with the plan above -- it's the plan of record. We should go ahead and ask the Fedora folks to make these changes (and point Joyride at them); Marco, perhaps you could ask around in #fedora-admin for someone willing? Thanks! - Chris. -- Chris Ball From mpgritti at gmail.com Tue Nov 11 13:56:53 2008 From: mpgritti at gmail.com (Marco Pesenti Gritti) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 14:56:53 +0100 Subject: Rebase joyride to Fedora 10 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 2:53 PM, Chris Ball wrote: > Michael and I are fine with the plan above -- it's the plan of record. > We should go ahead and ask the Fedora folks to make these changes (and > point Joyride at them); Marco, perhaps you could ask around in > #fedora-admin for someone willing? Yup, will try to get someone to create the branch. Marco From mpgritti at gmail.com Tue Nov 11 15:16:10 2008 From: mpgritti at gmail.com (Marco Pesenti Gritti) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 16:16:10 +0100 Subject: [IAEP] Announcing Fedora Sugar Spin! In-Reply-To: References: <490A2818.8090209@when.com> <5d2dce520811101703r8da9b3axb3ca0468953b9c68@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 4:07 PM, Caroline Meeks wrote: > I have some questions about the ticket tracker. > > Can we get email notifications from this ticket tracker? Yup: http://dev.sugarlabs.org/ticket/12 > Can I mark/watch bugs someone else puts in? Yeah, you can add yourself to the cc field (using either your trac name or an email address). > How will bugs get assigned? Every component has an owner, which will get tickets assigned by default. The main question to me is what component to assign bugs by default, if the reported does not choose one. Other trackers like bugzilla "forces" to choose a component, but I'm not sure trac provides something like that. For now I'm going to make "sugar" the default component, so bugs are going to be assigned to me by default (eeek!). Marco From tomeu at tomeuvizoso.net Wed Nov 12 08:46:52 2008 From: tomeu at tomeuvizoso.net (Tomeu Vizoso) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 09:46:52 +0100 Subject: Rebase joyride to Fedora 10 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <242851610811120046p7475f93hf4b047a953befde3@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 2:56 PM, Marco Pesenti Gritti wrote: > On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 2:53 PM, Chris Ball wrote: >> Michael and I are fine with the plan above -- it's the plan of record. >> We should go ahead and ask the Fedora folks to make these changes (and >> point Joyride at them); Marco, perhaps you could ask around in >> #fedora-admin for someone willing? > > Yup, will try to get someone to create the branch. Looks like Dennis has put pilgrim to build from F10, but we are now failing because our sugar-evince requires a libpoppler older than what is in F10. I think that Daniel Drake is working on this, but in the meantime, if we applied the attached patch to pilgrim, we may be able to move forward and see what breaks next. I would like to remember that some days ago Chris and Ed agreed with my suggestion of letting Sugar people to manage the builds, but I still cannot push to pilgrim, so I'm still blocking more often than the minimum necessary. Thanks, Tomeu -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I added my work as through public_rpms for now, to get builds going again. > I would like to remember that some days ago Chris and Ed agreed with > my suggestion of letting Sugar people to manage the builds, but I > still cannot push to pilgrim, so I'm still blocking more often than > the minimum necessary. Feel free to ask me to commit stuff until that is fixed. Daniel From cjb at laptop.org Wed Nov 12 10:18:19 2008 From: cjb at laptop.org (Chris Ball) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 05:18:19 -0500 Subject: Rebase joyride to Fedora 10 In-Reply-To: <242851610811120046p7475f93hf4b047a953befde3@mail.gmail.com> (Tomeu Vizoso's message of "Wed, 12 Nov 2008 09:46:52 +0100") References: <242851610811120046p7475f93hf4b047a953befde3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Tomeu, > Looks like Dennis has put pilgrim to build from F10, but we are now > failing because our sugar-evince requires a libpoppler older than what > is in F10. Thanks to Dennis! > I would like to remember that some days ago Chris and Ed agreed > with my suggestion of letting Sugar people to manage the builds, > but I still cannot push to pilgrim, so I'm still blocking more > often than the minimum necessary. This should do it: crank:cjb~ % sudo adduser tomeu pilgrim Adding user `tomeu' to group `pilgrim' ... Done. crank:cjb~ % Thanks, - Chris. -- Chris Ball From tomeu at tomeuvizoso.net Wed Nov 12 10:26:50 2008 From: tomeu at tomeuvizoso.net (Tomeu Vizoso) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 11:26:50 +0100 Subject: Rebase joyride to Fedora 10 In-Reply-To: References: <242851610811120046p7475f93hf4b047a953befde3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <242851610811120226q255b97f7yf8bd9c2d15cda07a@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 11:18 AM, Chris Ball wrote: > Hi Tomeu, > > > Looks like Dennis has put pilgrim to build from F10, but we are now > > failing because our sugar-evince requires a libpoppler older than what > > is in F10. > > Thanks to Dennis! > > > I would like to remember that some days ago Chris and Ed agreed > > with my suggestion of letting Sugar people to manage the builds, > > but I still cannot push to pilgrim, so I'm still blocking more > > often than the minimum necessary. > > This should do it: > > crank:cjb~ % sudo adduser tomeu pilgrim > Adding user `tomeu' to group `pilgrim' ... > Done. > crank:cjb~ % Awesome, one more thing: the last joyride build failed because it couldn't unstuck the loop6 device. Do you know what can be done to unstuck it? Perhaps telling autobuild to try again may do it? Thanks, Tomeu From cjb at laptop.org Wed Nov 12 10:36:25 2008 From: cjb at laptop.org (Chris Ball) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 05:36:25 -0500 Subject: Rebase joyride to Fedora 10 In-Reply-To: <242851610811120226q255b97f7yf8bd9c2d15cda07a@mail.gmail.com> (Tomeu Vizoso's message of "Wed, 12 Nov 2008 11:26:50 +0100") References: <242851610811120046p7475f93hf4b047a953befde3@mail.gmail.com> <242851610811120226q255b97f7yf8bd9c2d15cda07a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi, > Awesome, one more thing: the last joyride build failed because it > couldn't unstuck the loop6 device. Do you know what can be done to > unstuck it? Perhaps telling autobuild to try again may do it? I think this should do it: [cjb at xs-dev pilgrim-joyride]$ sudo /sbin/losetup -d /dev/loop6 [cjb at xs-dev pilgrim-joyride]$ - Chris. -- Chris Ball From mpgritti at gmail.com Wed Nov 12 10:40:07 2008 From: mpgritti at gmail.com (Marco Pesenti Gritti) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 11:40:07 +0100 Subject: Rebase joyride to Fedora 10 In-Reply-To: References: <242851610811120046p7475f93hf4b047a953befde3@mail.gmail.com> <242851610811120226q255b97f7yf8bd9c2d15cda07a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 11:36 AM, Chris Ball wrote: > Hi, > > > Awesome, one more thing: the last joyride build failed because it > > couldn't unstuck the loop6 device. Do you know what can be done to > > unstuck it? Perhaps telling autobuild to try again may do it? > > I think this should do it: > > [cjb at xs-dev pilgrim-joyride]$ sudo /sbin/losetup -d /dev/loop6 > [cjb at xs-dev pilgrim-joyride]$ Can one of us in europe get root on xs-dev? Luckily Chris is in a more compatible timezone atm... but we risked to block on this for several hours and it might happen again while we work on F10. Marco From karlie_robinson at webpath.net Wed Nov 12 15:43:20 2008 From: karlie_robinson at webpath.net (Karlie Robinson) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 10:43:20 -0500 Subject: SanDisk Extreme III Test Cards In-Reply-To: <48F0C2AF.5000005@webpath.net> References: <48F0C2AF.5000005@webpath.net> Message-ID: <491AF998.3080801@webpath.net> The first batch of test cards are in and will be mailed today. Karlie Robinson wrote: > Good morning everyone. > I have been working with SanDisk and Arrow Electronics to source the > SD Cards you've spec'd for the Fedora on OLPC project. > If anyone would like to test on the OEM version[1] of the cards, I can > mail them to you at cost. So $30US. I'll pay the postage. > ~Karlie > > [1] - Why is OEM important? When any sort of flash memory is produced > there are minute differences with the internal structure. For this > project we'll need to use an OEM part which ensures that we have the > same card structure with every SD we send through the duplicator. > Retail packaged cards do not have a consistent internal structure > which can cause quality issues with a duplication run. > It's not that retail is inferior quality, but for day to day use (in a > camera, phone or other application) write tolerances don't need to be > as precise. > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-olpc-list mailing list > Fedora-olpc-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-olpc-list From gdk at redhat.com Wed Nov 12 16:02:22 2008 From: gdk at redhat.com (Greg Dekoenigsberg) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 11:02:22 -0500 (EST) Subject: [IAEP] Announcing Fedora Sugar Spin! In-Reply-To: <5d2dce520811112221w692109a6kf999ee905a47d33a@mail.gmail.com> References: <490A2818.8090209@when.com> <5d2dce520811101703r8da9b3axb3ca0468953b9c68@mail.gmail.com> <5d2dce520811112221w692109a6kf999ee905a47d33a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 12 Nov 2008, Bill Kerr wrote: > Meaning what, exactly? ?Can you be more specific? > > Well, it's meant to be possible for collaboration to work out of the > box. This did not happen with Wolfgang's Live CD converted to USB keys. > > Someone reported earlier on this list? that collaboration did work from > USB keys on a Ubuntu network > > from morgan collett: "Link local presence should "just work", but I've > never used the LiveCD images." > > At any rate Morgan asked us for some files and after they were sent > reported back: > > from morgan collett: > "Thanks for the logs. presenceservice.log shows that salut > (LinkLocalPlugin) starts up successfully but doesn't detect anyone on > the local network. gabble (ServerPlugin) repeatedly attempts to > connect to a jabber server but fails - nevertheless salut is running." > > After this one of my students built a jabber server and we could do > collaboration through that > > I was hoping that with the new Fedora USB key we could do collaboration > out of the box, meaning without using the jabber server > > All I tested with the new Fedora USB key was trying to connect through > Chat but that didn't work > > Let me know if you want more information or diagnostic files again - I > can look up the details or ask joel for help if needed - just tell me > exactly the information you need > > a bit more detail of the history here: > http://xo-whs.wikispaces.com/connectivity Ah, right. So what we have is a complex policy issue, but it boils down to this: With whom should a new Sugar user be "collaborating" by default? Many options here. Machines on the local mesh subnet? Should there be a default jabberd server? Should there be discoverability of all jabberd servers in the world? My take: 1. Whatever default policy we choose will be wrong for a significant subset of users. 2. Collaboration must be one of the "killer apps", and even if it doesn't work out of the box *trivially*, it should be possible for users to iterate through the possible collaboration network options with miminal pain. 3. Can we discuss this at next week's Sugar conference? To me, answering these questions is worth a day or more of face time. --g From jonstanley at gmail.com Wed Nov 12 16:13:07 2008 From: jonstanley at gmail.com (Jon Stanley) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 11:13:07 -0500 Subject: SanDisk Extreme III Test Cards In-Reply-To: <491AF998.3080801@webpath.net> References: <48F0C2AF.5000005@webpath.net> <491AF998.3080801@webpath.net> Message-ID: On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 10:43 AM, Karlie Robinson wrote: > The first batch of test cards are in and will be mailed today. Did you order some extras? I just got my XO, and am having weird issues with the Extreme III cards that I have for it that I want to verify will not be a problem on a production run (http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/2008-November/msg00445.html). Clicking the link to the store led to nothing. From karlie_robinson at webpath.net Wed Nov 12 16:22:52 2008 From: karlie_robinson at webpath.net (Karlie Robinson) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 11:22:52 -0500 Subject: SanDisk Extreme III Test Cards In-Reply-To: References: <48F0C2AF.5000005@webpath.net> <491AF998.3080801@webpath.net> Message-ID: <491B02DC.6090700@webpath.net> No I didn't. I only ordered what was requested. However, I will be getting the first batch of cards for the production Run on the 19th though it will probably be too late to try it then. ~Karlie Jon Stanley wrote: > On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 10:43 AM, Karlie Robinson > wrote: > >> The first batch of test cards are in and will be mailed today. >> > > Did you order some extras? I just got my XO, and am having weird > issues with the Extreme III cards that I have for it that I want to > verify will not be a problem on a production run > (http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/2008-November/msg00445.html). > Clicking the link to the store led to nothing. > From morgan.collett at gmail.com Wed Nov 12 18:23:55 2008 From: morgan.collett at gmail.com (Morgan Collett) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 20:23:55 +0200 Subject: [IAEP] Announcing Fedora Sugar Spin! In-Reply-To: References: <490A2818.8090209@when.com> <5d2dce520811101703r8da9b3axb3ca0468953b9c68@mail.gmail.com> <5d2dce520811112221w692109a6kf999ee905a47d33a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 18:02, Greg Dekoenigsberg wrote: > > On Wed, 12 Nov 2008, Bill Kerr wrote: > >> Meaning what, exactly? Can you be more specific? >> >> Well, it's meant to be possible for collaboration to work out of the box. >> This did not happen with Wolfgang's Live CD converted to USB keys. >> >> Someone reported earlier on this list that collaboration did work from >> USB keys on a Ubuntu network >> >> from morgan collett: "Link local presence should "just work", but I've >> never used the LiveCD images." >> >> At any rate Morgan asked us for some files and after they were sent >> reported back: >> >> from morgan collett: >> "Thanks for the logs. presenceservice.log shows that salut >> (LinkLocalPlugin) starts up successfully but doesn't detect anyone on >> the local network. gabble (ServerPlugin) repeatedly attempts to >> connect to a jabber server but fails - nevertheless salut is running." >> >> After this one of my students built a jabber server and we could do >> collaboration through that >> >> I was hoping that with the new Fedora USB key we could do collaboration >> out of the box, meaning without using the jabber server >> >> All I tested with the new Fedora USB key was trying to connect through >> Chat but that didn't work >> >> Let me know if you want more information or diagnostic files again - I can >> look up the details or ask joel for help if needed - just tell me exactly >> the information you need >> >> a bit more detail of the history here: >> http://xo-whs.wikispaces.com/connectivity > > Ah, right. > > So what we have is a complex policy issue, but it boils down to this: > > With whom should a new Sugar user be "collaborating" by default? > > Many options here. Machines on the local mesh subnet? Should there be a > default jabberd server? Should there be discoverability of all jabberd > servers in the world? A quick explanation about the built-in policy of sugar-presence-service: On startup, telepathy-salut is started for link local presence and collaboration (avahi etc). If network manager reports a valid IP address, then telepathy-gabble is started to try and connect to the configured jabber server. Until such time as gabble connects successfully, salut continues to be the presence mechanism. When gabble connects, salut is stopped and presence is done via the jabber server. That policy is in the code base and is not configurable without modifying code. OLPC XO releases ship with no jabber server configured (and in the past, with a non-existant jabber server like ship2.jabber.laptop.org) since our ejabberd setup falls over with more than about 150 people on the server. (That is a more complex discussion which we have had several times - ask me if you want the explanation. A 9.1.0 feature should improve that.) Discoverability of jabber servers is unfortunately a good way to kill them all, with the above limitation. Servers listed on http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Community_Jabber_Servers are regularly down for long periods because of this. With Sugar 0.82 it is easy to set a jabber server in the control panel, but it should only be done by informed decision: Jabber servers should only be run for specific communities, like an XO community in a specific city, or a for a specific school, etc. We do not have an access control mechanism to restrict that, but when people go "Oh cool, let me try that one" at random then it denies service to the intended users of the server. Debian Lenny and Ubuntu Intrepid ship the required patches in their ejabberd packages, and there are rpms available as part of the XS project, for those who want to set up community servers. > My take: > > 1. Whatever default policy we choose will be wrong for a significant subset > of users. The way OLPC builds ship, two XOs on the same mesh channel or the same AP will see each other, out of the box. There's no server than can handle being the default, so it's simple: ship with no server configured. That relies on link local presence/collaboration actually working: if it isn't, you something to fix, since it works fine on OLPC 8.2.0 and other distros. > 2. Collaboration must be one of the "killer apps", and even if it doesn't > work out of the box *trivially*, it should be possible for users to iterate > through the possible collaboration network options with miminal pain. > > 3. Can we discuss this at next week's Sugar conference? To me, answering > these questions is worth a day or more of face time. Unfortunately I won't be there in person but I'll try to participate remotely if time zones permit. Regards Morgan From gdk at redhat.com Wed Nov 12 18:39:51 2008 From: gdk at redhat.com (Greg Dekoenigsberg) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 13:39:51 -0500 (EST) Subject: [IAEP] Announcing Fedora Sugar Spin! In-Reply-To: References: <490A2818.8090209@when.com> <5d2dce520811101703r8da9b3axb3ca0468953b9c68@mail.gmail.com> <5d2dce520811112221w692109a6kf999ee905a47d33a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Thanks for the detailed analysis, Morgan. Much appreciated. --g On Wed, 12 Nov 2008, Morgan Collett wrote: > On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 18:02, Greg Dekoenigsberg wrote: >> >> On Wed, 12 Nov 2008, Bill Kerr wrote: >> >>> Meaning what, exactly? Can you be more specific? >>> >>> Well, it's meant to be possible for collaboration to work out of the box. >>> This did not happen with Wolfgang's Live CD converted to USB keys. >>> >>> Someone reported earlier on this list that collaboration did work from >>> USB keys on a Ubuntu network >>> >>> from morgan collett: "Link local presence should "just work", but I've >>> never used the LiveCD images." >>> >>> At any rate Morgan asked us for some files and after they were sent >>> reported back: >>> >>> from morgan collett: >>> "Thanks for the logs. presenceservice.log shows that salut >>> (LinkLocalPlugin) starts up successfully but doesn't detect anyone on >>> the local network. gabble (ServerPlugin) repeatedly attempts to >>> connect to a jabber server but fails - nevertheless salut is running." >>> >>> After this one of my students built a jabber server and we could do >>> collaboration through that >>> >>> I was hoping that with the new Fedora USB key we could do collaboration >>> out of the box, meaning without using the jabber server >>> >>> All I tested with the new Fedora USB key was trying to connect through >>> Chat but that didn't work >>> >>> Let me know if you want more information or diagnostic files again - I can >>> look up the details or ask joel for help if needed - just tell me exactly >>> the information you need >>> >>> a bit more detail of the history here: >>> http://xo-whs.wikispaces.com/connectivity >> >> Ah, right. >> >> So what we have is a complex policy issue, but it boils down to this: >> >> With whom should a new Sugar user be "collaborating" by default? >> >> Many options here. Machines on the local mesh subnet? Should there be a >> default jabberd server? Should there be discoverability of all jabberd >> servers in the world? > > A quick explanation about the built-in policy of > sugar-presence-service: On startup, telepathy-salut is started for > link local presence and collaboration (avahi etc). If network manager > reports a valid IP address, then telepathy-gabble is started to try > and connect to the configured jabber server. Until such time as gabble > connects successfully, salut continues to be the presence mechanism. > When gabble connects, salut is stopped and presence is done via the > jabber server. > > That policy is in the code base and is not configurable without modifying code. > > OLPC XO releases ship with no jabber server configured (and in the > past, with a non-existant jabber server like ship2.jabber.laptop.org) > since our ejabberd setup falls over with more than about 150 people on > the server. (That is a more complex discussion which we have had > several times - ask me if you want the explanation. A 9.1.0 feature > should improve that.) > > Discoverability of jabber servers is unfortunately a good way to kill > them all, with the above limitation. Servers listed on > http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Community_Jabber_Servers are regularly down > for long periods because of this. > > With Sugar 0.82 it is easy to set a jabber server in the control > panel, but it should only be done by informed decision: Jabber servers > should only be run for specific communities, like an XO community in a > specific city, or a for a specific school, etc. We do not have an > access control mechanism to restrict that, but when people go "Oh > cool, let me try that one" at random then it denies service to the > intended users of the server. > > Debian Lenny and Ubuntu Intrepid ship the required patches in their > ejabberd packages, and there are rpms available as part of the XS > project, for those who want to set up community servers. > >> My take: >> >> 1. Whatever default policy we choose will be wrong for a significant subset >> of users. > > The way OLPC builds ship, two XOs on the same mesh channel or the same > AP will see each other, out of the box. There's no server than can > handle being the default, so it's simple: ship with no server > configured. > > That relies on link local presence/collaboration actually working: if > it isn't, you something to fix, since it works fine on OLPC 8.2.0 and > other distros. > >> 2. Collaboration must be one of the "killer apps", and even if it doesn't >> work out of the box *trivially*, it should be possible for users to iterate >> through the possible collaboration network options with miminal pain. >> >> 3. Can we discuss this at next week's Sugar conference? To me, answering >> these questions is worth a day or more of face time. > > Unfortunately I won't be there in person but I'll try to participate > remotely if time zones permit. > > Regards > Morgan > From stickster at gmail.com Wed Nov 12 18:51:02 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 13:51:02 -0500 Subject: [IAEP] Announcing Fedora Sugar Spin! In-Reply-To: References: <490A2818.8090209@when.com> <5d2dce520811101703r8da9b3axb3ca0468953b9c68@mail.gmail.com> <5d2dce520811112221w692109a6kf999ee905a47d33a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1226515862.26610.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2008-11-12 at 20:23 +0200, Morgan Collett wrote: > On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 18:02, Greg Dekoenigsberg wrote: > > > > On Wed, 12 Nov 2008, Bill Kerr wrote: > > > >> Meaning what, exactly? Can you be more specific? > >> > >> Well, it's meant to be possible for collaboration to work out of the box. > >> This did not happen with Wolfgang's Live CD converted to USB keys. > >> > >> Someone reported earlier on this list that collaboration did work from > >> USB keys on a Ubuntu network > >> > >> from morgan collett: "Link local presence should "just work", but I've > >> never used the LiveCD images." > >> > >> At any rate Morgan asked us for some files and after they were sent > >> reported back: > >> > >> from morgan collett: > >> "Thanks for the logs. presenceservice.log shows that salut > >> (LinkLocalPlugin) starts up successfully but doesn't detect anyone on > >> the local network. gabble (ServerPlugin) repeatedly attempts to > >> connect to a jabber server but fails - nevertheless salut is running." > >> > >> After this one of my students built a jabber server and we could do > >> collaboration through that > >> > >> I was hoping that with the new Fedora USB key we could do collaboration > >> out of the box, meaning without using the jabber server > >> > >> All I tested with the new Fedora USB key was trying to connect through > >> Chat but that didn't work > >> > >> Let me know if you want more information or diagnostic files again - I can > >> look up the details or ask joel for help if needed - just tell me exactly > >> the information you need > >> > >> a bit more detail of the history here: > >> http://xo-whs.wikispaces.com/connectivity > > > > Ah, right. > > > > So what we have is a complex policy issue, but it boils down to this: > > > > With whom should a new Sugar user be "collaborating" by default? > > > > Many options here. Machines on the local mesh subnet? Should there be a > > default jabberd server? Should there be discoverability of all jabberd > > servers in the world? > > A quick explanation about the built-in policy of > sugar-presence-service: On startup, telepathy-salut is started for > link local presence and collaboration (avahi etc). If network manager > reports a valid IP address, then telepathy-gabble is started to try > and connect to the configured jabber server. Until such time as gabble > connects successfully, salut continues to be the presence mechanism. > When gabble connects, salut is stopped and presence is done via the > jabber server. > > That policy is in the code base and is not configurable without modifying code. > > OLPC XO releases ship with no jabber server configured (and in the > past, with a non-existant jabber server like ship2.jabber.laptop.org) > since our ejabberd setup falls over with more than about 150 people on > the server. (That is a more complex discussion which we have had > several times - ask me if you want the explanation. A 9.1.0 feature > should improve that.) > > Discoverability of jabber servers is unfortunately a good way to kill > them all, with the above limitation. Servers listed on > http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Community_Jabber_Servers are regularly down > for long periods because of this. > > With Sugar 0.82 it is easy to set a jabber server in the control > panel, but it should only be done by informed decision: Jabber servers > should only be run for specific communities, like an XO community in a > specific city, or a for a specific school, etc. We do not have an > access control mechanism to restrict that, but when people go "Oh > cool, let me try that one" at random then it denies service to the > intended users of the server. > > Debian Lenny and Ubuntu Intrepid ship the required patches in their > ejabberd packages, and there are rpms available as part of the XS > project, for those who want to set up community servers. > > > My take: > > > > 1. Whatever default policy we choose will be wrong for a significant subset > > of users. > > The way OLPC builds ship, two XOs on the same mesh channel or the same > AP will see each other, out of the box. There's no server than can > handle being the default, so it's simple: ship with no server > configured. > > That relies on link local presence/collaboration actually working: if > it isn't, you something to fix, since it works fine on OLPC 8.2.0 and > other distros. > > > 2. Collaboration must be one of the "killer apps", and even if it doesn't > > work out of the box *trivially*, it should be possible for users to iterate > > through the possible collaboration network options with miminal pain. > > > > 3. Can we discuss this at next week's Sugar conference? To me, answering > > these questions is worth a day or more of face time. > > Unfortunately I won't be there in person but I'll try to participate > remotely if time zones permit. I'm only here to break the thread against fedora-announce-list. Ignore and move on... ;-) -- Paul W. Frields gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://paul.frields.org/ - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From karlie_robinson at webpath.net Wed Nov 12 20:52:33 2008 From: karlie_robinson at webpath.net (Karlie Robinson) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 15:52:33 -0500 Subject: F10 for XO marketing? Message-ID: <491B4211.8010408@webpath.net> So my first forays into the OLPC news Forums doesn't seem to be easy - http://olpcnews.com/forum/index.php?topic=3980.0 From mpgritti at gmail.com Wed Nov 12 22:37:01 2008 From: mpgritti at gmail.com (Marco Pesenti Gritti) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 23:37:01 +0100 Subject: Fwd: Are you coming to Sugarcamp? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Marco Pesenti Gritti Date: Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 10:50 PM Subject: Are you coming to Sugarcamp? To: Sugar List Cc: IAEP Then please add yourself to the wiki!!! http://sugarlabs.org/go/Sugarcamp#Attendees Several people that I know are coming are not on the list yet... Marco From gdk at redhat.com Thu Nov 13 14:58:58 2008 From: gdk at redhat.com (Greg Dekoenigsberg) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 09:58:58 -0500 (EST) Subject: Meeting reminder Message-ID: Hi all. Just wanted to remind folks of today's meeting at 1pm Eastern US time on #fedora-olpc on freenode. --g From pcalarco at nd.edu Thu Nov 13 19:18:58 2008 From: pcalarco at nd.edu (Pascal Calarco) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 14:18:58 -0500 Subject: OLPC beat in FWN Message-ID: <491C7DA2.2070502@nd.edu> Folks, I have been slammed with new work that is taking a lot of my time right now and so for the forseeable future I am not going to be able to continue with the OLPC beat, which only made it into one issue. I will still be able to help out with FWN editorial duties. Hopefully with the new year things should settle down again. - pascal ---- Pascal Calarco Fedora Ambassador, Indiana USA From meta.sj at gmail.com Thu Nov 13 19:38:58 2008 From: meta.sj at gmail.com (Samuel Klein) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 14:38:58 -0500 Subject: OLPC beat in FWN In-Reply-To: <491C7DA2.2070502@nd.edu> References: <491C7DA2.2070502@nd.edu> Message-ID: <5396c0d10811131138r515b923btdbadf1b7874cc2a8@mail.gmail.com> That's a pity! Could others help out with the beat? What's your next deadline? SJ On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 2:18 PM, Pascal Calarco wrote: > Folks, I have been slammed with new work that is taking a lot of my time > right now and so for the forseeable future I am not going to be able to > continue with the OLPC beat, which only made it into one issue. I will > still be able to help out with FWN editorial duties. Hopefully with the new > year things should settle down again. > > - pascal > > ---- > Pascal Calarco > Fedora Ambassador, Indiana USA > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-olpc-list mailing list > Fedora-olpc-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-olpc-list > From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Fri Nov 14 00:26:05 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 05:56:05 +0530 Subject: OLPC beat in FWN In-Reply-To: <5396c0d10811131138r515b923btdbadf1b7874cc2a8@mail.gmail.com> References: <491C7DA2.2070502@nd.edu> <5396c0d10811131138r515b923btdbadf1b7874cc2a8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <491CC59D.4080602@fedoraproject.org> Samuel Klein wrote: > That's a pity! Could others help out with the beat? What's your next > deadline? > > SJ Of course, anybody interested can help out. Deadline is Sunday. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/NewsProject/Join Rahul From jlaska at redhat.com Fri Nov 14 00:27:26 2008 From: jlaska at redhat.com (James Laska) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 19:27:26 -0500 Subject: Reminder: Fedora XO Network Meeting :: Fri 2008-11-14 @ 9am EST (14:00 UTC) Message-ID: <1226622447.3431.25.camel@localhost.localdomain> Greetings folks, Would like to spend some time with a week in review and touch on some recent test plan changes. Rough agenda for the meeting noted below: WHAT: Fedora XO Network Test Meeting WHEN: 2008-11-14 @ 9AM EST (14:00 UTC) WHERE: #fedora-qa on irc.freenode.net = Previous Items = * rvokal - create test results matrix in Test Plan * atodorov - create a "known issues" section full of filed but unresolved defects * jlaska - stub in ad-hoc network creation tests into test plan = General News = * Schedule = Test Plan = * Where are we, what's left * Test Results = Open Discussion = = Action Items = Hope to see you there! Thanks, James -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From karlie_robinson at webpath.net Fri Nov 14 12:16:23 2008 From: karlie_robinson at webpath.net (Karlie Robinson) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 07:16:23 -0500 Subject: OLPC News Forum Message-ID: <491D6C17.9030305@webpath.net> Could you help me with these questions? (question text pasted below) http://olpcnews.com/forum/index.php?topic=3958.msg26977#msg26977 I'd be happy to write a response, but I'm not sure I'm going to be able to completely answer his questions. This is what I'm assuming so far.... I'm assuming that most things that would run via USB under Fedora will operate using the XO spin. So the printer is a high probability but I don't know enough about USB connected LCD projectors to answer one way or another. Worst case is that it won't work out of the box but there may be a work around out there to get them both working. The applications list is going to be similar to that of the Fedora Live CD, but I don't have the final applications list yet. And I can go into what it will take to install the card - no command lines or terminals. ~Karlie > This is a really dumb question, but with Fedora 10 loaded on a SD > card, will it possible to send output directly to an LCD projector? A > printer? > > And what applications will Fedora 10 come with in this release for the > XO? Is there any information on what it will take to install -- will > it be along the lines of the lengthy commands at the terminal as for > the other distributions' installations on the XO or will it be more > user friendly? > > Thank you for any information you might be able to share. From ivazqueznet at gmail.com Fri Nov 14 12:26:19 2008 From: ivazqueznet at gmail.com (Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 07:26:19 -0500 Subject: OLPC News Forum In-Reply-To: <491D6C17.9030305@webpath.net> References: <491D6C17.9030305@webpath.net> Message-ID: <1226665579.16027.224.camel@ignacio.lan> On Fri, 2008-11-14 at 07:16 -0500, Karlie Robinson wrote: > Could you help me with these questions? (question text pasted below) > http://olpcnews.com/forum/index.php?topic=3958.msg26977#msg26977 > ... I don't know enough about USB connected LCD projectors to answer > one way or another. Worst case is that it won't work out of the box > but there may be a work around out there to get them both working. LCD projectors usually connect to a VGA output, not a USB port. Having said that, there is a USB VGA adapter, but there has been limited success getting it to work. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/TestPlans/Display#USB_VGA_Adapter_.28sisusb.29 > The applications list is going to be similar to that of the Fedora Live > CD, but I don't have the final applications list yet. If he wants to try the F10 preview live media that will give him a very good idea as to what will be available. -- Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams PLEASE don't CC me; I'm already subscribed -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From karlie_robinson at webpath.net Fri Nov 14 12:58:27 2008 From: karlie_robinson at webpath.net (Karlie Robinson) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 07:58:27 -0500 Subject: OLPC News Forum In-Reply-To: <1226665579.16027.224.camel@ignacio.lan> References: <491D6C17.9030305@webpath.net> <1226665579.16027.224.camel@ignacio.lan> Message-ID: <491D75F3.5060201@webpath.net> Thanks - I appreciate your help. Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams wrote: > On Fri, 2008-11-14 at 07:16 -0500, Karlie Robinson wrote: > >> Could you help me with these questions? (question text pasted below) >> http://olpcnews.com/forum/index.php?topic=3958.msg26977#msg26977 >> > > >> ... I don't know enough about USB connected LCD projectors to answer >> one way or another. Worst case is that it won't work out of the box >> but there may be a work around out there to get them both working. >> > > LCD projectors usually connect to a VGA output, not a USB port. Having > said that, there is a USB VGA adapter, but there has been limited > success getting it to work. > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/TestPlans/Display#USB_VGA_Adapter_.28sisusb.29 > > >> The applications list is going to be similar to that of the Fedora Live >> CD, but I don't have the final applications list yet. >> > > If he wants to try the F10 preview live media that will give him a very > good idea as to what will be available. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-olpc-list mailing list > Fedora-olpc-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-olpc-list From morgan.collett at gmail.com Fri Nov 14 14:00:08 2008 From: morgan.collett at gmail.com (Morgan Collett) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 16:00:08 +0200 Subject: OLPC News Forum In-Reply-To: <491D6C17.9030305@webpath.net> References: <491D6C17.9030305@webpath.net> Message-ID: On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 14:16, Karlie Robinson wrote: > Could you help me with these questions? (question text pasted below) > http://olpcnews.com/forum/index.php?topic=3958.msg26977#msg26977 > > I'd be happy to write a response, but I'm not sure I'm going to be able to > completely answer his questions. > This is what I'm assuming so far.... > > I'm assuming that most things that would run via USB under Fedora will > operate using the XO spin. So the printer is a high probability but I don't > know enough about USB connected LCD projectors to answer one way or another. > Worst case is that it won't work out of the box but there may be a work > around out there to get them both working. > The applications list is going to be similar to that of the Fedora Live CD, > but I don't have the final applications list yet. > And I can go into what it will take to install the card - no command lines > or terminals. > ~Karlie This may be relevant - how to use USB SVGA on the OLPC build: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Adding_USB_SVGA Regards Morgan > >> This is a really dumb question, but with Fedora 10 loaded on a SD card, >> will it possible to send output directly to an LCD projector? A printer? >> >> And what applications will Fedora 10 come with in this release for the XO? >> Is there any information on what it will take to install -- will it be >> along the lines of the lengthy commands at the terminal as for the other >> distributions' installations on the XO or will it be more user friendly? >> >> Thank you for any information you might be able to share. > > > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-olpc-list mailing list > Fedora-olpc-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-olpc-list > From jlaska at redhat.com Fri Nov 14 16:52:10 2008 From: jlaska at redhat.com (James Laska) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 11:52:10 -0500 Subject: Reminder: Fedora XO Network Meeting :: Fri 2008-11-14 @ 9am EST (14:00 UTC) In-Reply-To: <1226622447.3431.25.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1226622447.3431.25.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1226681530.3455.196.camel@localhost.localdomain> Greetings, Many thanks for all who attended and shared their thoughts. See notes below (IRC log attached). Please feel free to amend the notes for any discussion points I missed. Thanks, James ============================================== WHAT: Fedora XO Network Test Meeting WHEN: 2008-11-14 @ 9AM EST (14:00 UTC) WHERE: #fedora-qa on irc.freenode.net WHO: edmcnierney, qark, rvokal, sharkcz, atodorov, Zoysiamo_, _drj2, jlaska = Previous Items = * rvokal - create test results matrix in Test Plan > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/TestPlans/Networking#Test_results * atodorov - create a "known issues" section full of filed but unresolved defects > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/TestPlans/Networking#Known_issues * jlaska - stub in ad-hoc network creation tests into test plan > all done by atodorov! jlaska will pitch in for the few remaining = General News = * Schedule > the GA is 2008-11-25 > the GA compose will be spun up any minute/hour/day now + typically an internal build, but may be available with limited bandwith (not torrent) prior to GA. = Test Plan = * Where are we, what's left > discussed if/where any test gaps exist + edmcnierney - No, things look good. Major issue is the mesh/regular confusion in https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=469835 but that's dealt with and that's the way it works. No test gaps, though. > discussed testing /sbin/iwconfig directly versus through system-config-network + consensus is to spec out s-c-network tests as they will also test iwconfig + possibly need to disable wireless support from NM while testing s-c-network > jlaska asked for clarification on how the ad-hoc testing was performed + requires 2 machines, one to host the network, and the XO to connect > sharkcz mentioned writing USB ids for the devices tested + didn't have time to discuss this further ... any takers on the list? = Open Discussion = * Zoysiamo_ - Anything to be done after the release on Monday? > jlaska: for now we'll just be sure to keep our test plan current. 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(using x11vnc on the xo) Outdated instructions (most for F7): http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Projection#Cloning_a_current_Sugar_session_.28using_VNC.29 Brian On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 1:45 PM, Karlie Robinson wrote: > Thanks - that was helpful for a follow up question. > ~Karlie > > Morgan Collett wrote: >> >> This may be relevant - how to use USB SVGA on the OLPC build: >> http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Adding_USB_SVGA >> > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-olpc-list mailing list > Fedora-olpc-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-olpc-list > -- Give One, Get One, from Nov. 17 http://wiki.laptop.org/go/G1G1_2008 http://www.amazon.com/xo From karlie_robinson at webpath.net Sat Nov 15 21:52:19 2008 From: karlie_robinson at webpath.net (Karlie Robinson) Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 16:52:19 -0500 Subject: Amazon.com needs some Fedora Love Message-ID: <491F4493.2010802@webpath.net> http://www.amazon.com/Fedora-Card-OLPC-XO-Laptop/dp/B001L7EGA6/ is the new home of Fedora 10 on SD card for the OLPC Laptop. The product won't show as available until Monday, so we still have a little time to spiff it up if needed (have an opinion to share? I'd love to hear it). We also have the opportunity to show some love by adding user created content to the listing. Specifically; Customer Images, Tags, Ratings, Reviews, Customer discussions and Amapedia (?) articles. So if you have an Amazon.com account and have something you want to add, it would help the listing look less like a ghost town. Thanks, Karlie From karlie_robinson at webpath.net Mon Nov 17 18:55:38 2008 From: karlie_robinson at webpath.net (Karlie Robinson) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 13:55:38 -0500 Subject: Sugar Icon Set Message-ID: <4921BE2A.9020001@webpath.net> I've asked Mike to make one more set of graphics for the instruction card - Getting your Key. Does anyone know where the Icon set for sugar can be downloaded in SVG format? I did find pointing and selecting icons at http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Sugar_Standard_Icons but the rest are eluding me. Thanks, Karlie From morgan.collett at gmail.com Mon Nov 17 19:17:37 2008 From: morgan.collett at gmail.com (Morgan Collett) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 21:17:37 +0200 Subject: Sugar Icon Set In-Reply-To: <4921BE2A.9020001@webpath.net> References: <4921BE2A.9020001@webpath.net> Message-ID: On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 20:55, Karlie Robinson wrote: > I've asked Mike to make one more set of graphics for the instruction card - > Getting your Key. > Does anyone know where the Icon set for sugar can be downloaded in SVG > format? I did find pointing and selecting icons at > http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Sugar_Standard_Icons but the rest are eluding me. I think they are all in the artwork component, which you can browse in git at http://dev.laptop.org/git?p=artwork;a=tree;f=icons/scalable - although lots of them seem blank when viewed in firefox with the blob or raw links. Perhaps they don't have appropriate default colors. You can download a tar file of the whole of artwork using the snapshot link, and browse the svg files using something else. Regards Morgan From karlie_robinson at webpath.net Mon Nov 17 19:24:28 2008 From: karlie_robinson at webpath.net (Karlie Robinson) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 14:24:28 -0500 Subject: Sugar Icon Set In-Reply-To: References: <4921BE2A.9020001@webpath.net> Message-ID: <4921C4EC.1020204@webpath.net> Thanks, but it seems as if I don't need them. Mike Langlie does it again http://on-disk.com/cms/edit/data/files//ML_XO_browse_activity.png http://on-disk.com/cms/edit/data/files//ML_XO_get_dev_key_link.png http://on-disk.com/cms/edit/data/files//ML_get_dev_key_submit.png Morgan Collett wrote: > On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 20:55, Karlie Robinson > wrote: > >> I've asked Mike to make one more set of graphics for the instruction card - >> Getting your Key. >> Does anyone know where the Icon set for sugar can be downloaded in SVG >> format? I did find pointing and selecting icons at >> http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Sugar_Standard_Icons but the rest are eluding me. >> > > I think they are all in the artwork component, which you can browse in > git at http://dev.laptop.org/git?p=artwork;a=tree;f=icons/scalable - > although lots of them seem blank when viewed in firefox with the blob > or raw links. Perhaps they don't have appropriate default colors. You > can download a tar file of the whole of artwork using the snapshot > link, and browse the svg files using something else. > > Regards > Morgan > From pbrobinson at gmail.com Tue Nov 18 00:05:00 2008 From: pbrobinson at gmail.com (Peter Robinson) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 00:05:00 +0000 Subject: F-10 joyride vs 8.2 - getting fixes upstream. In-Reply-To: <5256d0b0811171558i3e7b133dl66b0d6b105f0c2de@mail.gmail.com> References: <5256d0b0811171558i3e7b133dl66b0d6b105f0c2de@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5256d0b0811171605h340db945n8a967f6fca8bf210@mail.gmail.com> Hi All, Adding a fixed build koji details for olpc-utils and adding fedora-olpc list to the mail. (oh and fixed some copy/paste bits! :) Cheers, Peter > I've started looking through the various packages that have been > pulled into joyride as part of the upgrade to Fedora-10 and reviewing > packages to see what differs from upstream, 8.2 and various other > olpcX packages. I'm aware of a number of packages that have been > pulled in due to differences in the packages between the old olpc3 > branch and upstream, some have bugs, I'll add bugs for a lot more. I > also notice that the "Size delta" on the 8.2 vs joyride build is > reporting 0meg difference which is clearly rubbish :-) Can someone fix > it for me please. The URL I'm referring to is > http://dev.laptop.org/~rwh/announcer/joyride_vs_8.2.html > > To start with I've fixed the following > > -ohm 0.1.1-6.21.20080921git.olpc3 > +ohm 0.1.1-6.11.20080119git.fc7 > > - Merged the changed from F-9 to F-10. Pushed the new 6.21 build to > Fedora-10 stable so it should hit the repo as an update on release. > Koji build is > http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=937384 > > -olpc-netutils 0.7-1.fc9 > +olpc-netutils 0.4-2.fc10 > > - Merged the changed from F-9 to F-10. Pushed the new 0.7 build to > Fedora-10 stable so it should hit the repo as an update on release. > Koji build is > http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=937235 > > -olpc-utils 0.89-1.olpc3 > +olpc-utils 0.84.29.20080820git1d35c4-1.olpc3 > > - Merged the changed from F-9 to F-10. Pushed the new 0.89 build to > Fedora-10 stable so it should hit the repo as an update on release. > Koji build is http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=937414 > I should get more time on Wednesday to continue through the list. I'll > be adding any bugs I file against the tracker bug which can be found > here https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=462625 > > Let me know if there's anything else I need to know. > > Cheers, > Peter > From tomeu at tomeuvizoso.net Tue Nov 18 00:18:55 2008 From: tomeu at tomeuvizoso.net (Tomeu Vizoso) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 19:18:55 -0500 Subject: F-10 joyride vs 8.2 - getting fixes upstream. In-Reply-To: <5256d0b0811171605h340db945n8a967f6fca8bf210@mail.gmail.com> References: <5256d0b0811171558i3e7b133dl66b0d6b105f0c2de@mail.gmail.com> <5256d0b0811171605h340db945n8a967f6fca8bf210@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <242851610811171618g5152305fwb1edc9d6cdc9d888@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 7:05 PM, Peter Robinson wrote: > Hi All, > > Adding a fixed build koji details for olpc-utils and adding > fedora-olpc list to the mail. (oh and fixed some copy/paste bits! :) > > Cheers, > Peter > >> I've started looking through the various packages that have been >> pulled into joyride as part of the upgrade to Fedora-10 and reviewing >> packages to see what differs from upstream, 8.2 and various other >> olpcX packages. I'm aware of a number of packages that have been >> pulled in due to differences in the packages between the old olpc3 >> branch and upstream, some have bugs, I'll add bugs for a lot more. I >> also notice that the "Size delta" on the 8.2 vs joyride build is >> reporting 0meg difference which is clearly rubbish :-) Can someone fix >> it for me please. The URL I'm referring to is >> http://dev.laptop.org/~rwh/announcer/joyride_vs_8.2.html >> >> To start with I've fixed the following >> >> -ohm 0.1.1-6.21.20080921git.olpc3 >> +ohm 0.1.1-6.11.20080119git.fc7 >> >> - Merged the changed from F-9 to F-10. Pushed the new 6.21 build to >> Fedora-10 stable so it should hit the repo as an update on release. >> Koji build is >> http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=937384 >> >> -olpc-netutils 0.7-1.fc9 >> +olpc-netutils 0.4-2.fc10 >> >> - Merged the changed from F-9 to F-10. Pushed the new 0.7 build to >> Fedora-10 stable so it should hit the repo as an update on release. >> Koji build is >> http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=937235 >> >> -olpc-utils 0.89-1.olpc3 >> +olpc-utils 0.84.29.20080820git1d35c4-1.olpc3 >> >> - Merged the changed from F-9 to F-10. Pushed the new 0.89 build to >> Fedora-10 stable so it should hit the repo as an update on release. >> Koji build is > > http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=937414 > >> I should get more time on Wednesday to continue through the list. I'll >> be adding any bugs I file against the tracker bug which can be found >> here https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=462625 >> >> Let me know if there's anything else I need to know. >> >> Cheers, >> Peter Wow, sounds really awesome work! Thanks, Tomeu From bkearney at redhat.com Tue Nov 18 16:29:55 2008 From: bkearney at redhat.com (Bryan Kearney) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 11:29:55 -0500 Subject: Review Request: Paint Activity Message-ID: <4922ED83.4090305@redhat.com> Item is here: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=472071 Two things I would like folks to look at: 1) I tried a different checkout script which uses the git-snapshot featues. Perhaps this is a better way to bridge the gap until we get everything in http://dev.laptop.org/pub/sugar/sources/ 2) This is my first crack at building c code in a spec file. Please focus on that area. Thanks! -- bk From karlie_robinson at webpath.net Wed Nov 19 17:20:23 2008 From: karlie_robinson at webpath.net (Karlie Robinson) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 12:20:23 -0500 Subject: What help address on the Quick Start instructions? Message-ID: <49244AD7.4070406@webpath.net> I've been working on the layout and I've finally decided to call the 'instructions' simply "Quick Start - Fedora 10 on your XO" There's just so much info that can be included but the important parts are the graphical instructions for getting the Dev Key and where to insert the SD Card. So my question - Do we have / Could we make a one-stop, easy to input URL url with complete info? Otherwise I'm looking at adding at least http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Developer_key and Greg's http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?p=1112399 to the cards And to type the thread into a browser is going to be tedious and a tinyurl is going to look unprofessional at best. What about http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/XO to keep the user designated info away from the SIG development info (...to avoid giving new users a fright). Thoughts? Other Ideas? ~Karlie From karlie_robinson at webpath.net Wed Nov 19 20:44:59 2008 From: karlie_robinson at webpath.net (Karlie Robinson) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 15:44:59 -0500 Subject: Instruction Card Message-ID: <49247ACB.1040904@webpath.net> Nothing is set in stone yet, but here's a preview of what will be printed on the back of the SD instruction cards. http://on-disk.com/cms/edit/data/files//instructioncard.jpg As always, I'd love your comments. I'd still like a yes, no, maybe on a one stop URL from my previous post for the detailed instructions URL. Maybe something that's worded to indicate one jumping off point for help of all sorts ~Karlie From bkearney at redhat.com Wed Nov 19 20:55:54 2008 From: bkearney at redhat.com (Bryan Kearney) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 15:55:54 -0500 Subject: Instruction Card In-Reply-To: <49247ACB.1040904@webpath.net> References: <49247ACB.1040904@webpath.net> Message-ID: <49247D5A.2060705@redhat.com> Karlie Robinson wrote: > Nothing is set in stone yet, but here's a preview of what will be > printed on the back of the SD instruction cards. > > http://on-disk.com/cms/edit/data/files//instructioncard.jpg > > As always, I'd love your comments. > I'd still like a yes, no, maybe on a one stop URL from my previous post > for the detailed instructions URL. Maybe something that's worded to > indicate one jumping off point for help of all sorts > Couple of comments: 1) Will they get the SD card pre-formatted with Fedora in the same shipment as the XO? If so, will they realize that Fedora is not "OLPC Provided"? 2) Can you repeat step 3 to check on the status? I dont know if you understand that by reading 4 (asked another way, ow do I know it is ready?) Graphics are good. -- bk From luke at laptop.org Wed Nov 19 21:03:21 2008 From: luke at laptop.org (Luke Faraone) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 16:03:21 -0500 Subject: Instruction Card In-Reply-To: <49247D5A.2060705@redhat.com> References: <49247ACB.1040904@webpath.net> <49247D5A.2060705@redhat.com> Message-ID: <201ad4980811191303n6ccd9e05l80f77b3940cc5da0@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 15:55, Bryan Kearney wrote: > 1) Will they get the SD card pre-formatted with Fedora in the same shipment > as the XO? If so, will they realize that Fedora is not "OLPC Provided"? > They will have had to purchase it as a separate item, and it is currently not shipped through amazon: http://www.amazon.com/Fedora-Card-OLPC-XO-Laptop/dp/B001L7EGA6 Even if Amazon begins to stock them, it will be made clear that it is not supported by OLPC 2) Can you repeat step 3 to check on the status? I dont know if you > understand that by reading 4 (asked another way, ow do I know it is ready?) > Yes. In addition, the web page has instructions on how to set it up once you're ready. -lf -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karlie_robinson at webpath.net Wed Nov 19 22:29:25 2008 From: karlie_robinson at webpath.net (Karlie Robinson) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 17:29:25 -0500 Subject: Instruction Card In-Reply-To: <201ad4980811191303n6ccd9e05l80f77b3940cc5da0@mail.gmail.com> References: <49247ACB.1040904@webpath.net> <49247D5A.2060705@redhat.com> <201ad4980811191303n6ccd9e05l80f77b3940cc5da0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49249345.30709@webpath.net> The cards are being loaded and shipped by On-Disk.com and Ed is working with OLPC's legal team to create a license of sort for us to use the OLPC logo on this card. It will indicate that the card is made for the xo but that OLPC does not support or endorse the product. I will soup up the points to indicate you must go back after 24 hours for your Key. I will also let Mike Langlie know how much you like his images. They really class up the back side of our "package" (I'm simply moving the graphical components around with the GIMP - Mike created the XO images I'm using.) Luke Faraone wrote: > On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 15:55, Bryan Kearney > wrote: > > 1) Will they get the SD card pre-formatted with Fedora in the same > shipment as the XO? If so, will they realize that Fedora is not > "OLPC Provided"? > > > They will have had to purchase it as a separate item, and it is > currently not shipped through amazon: > http://www.amazon.com/Fedora-Card-OLPC-XO-Laptop/dp/B001L7EGA6 > > Even if Amazon begins to stock them, it will be made clear that it is > not supported by OLPC > > 2) Can you repeat step 3 to check on the status? I dont know if > you understand that by reading 4 (asked another way, ow do I know > it is ready?) > > > Yes. In addition, the web page has instructions on how to set it up > once you're ready. > > -lf > From karlie_robinson at webpath.net Wed Nov 19 23:05:22 2008 From: karlie_robinson at webpath.net (Karlie Robinson) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 18:05:22 -0500 Subject: Instruction Card In-Reply-To: <49247D5A.2060705@redhat.com> References: <49247ACB.1040904@webpath.net> <49247D5A.2060705@redhat.com> Message-ID: <49249BB2.1040809@webpath.net> Bryan Kearney wrote: > 2) Can you repeat step 3 to check on the status? I dont know if you > understand that by reading 4 (asked another way, ow do I know it is > ready?) I think the important thing to remember is that this is a quick start guide. We only have the back side of a 4 x 6 inch page to get people going with this. The XO gives instructions as your going through the steps too and there's a clock that ticks down until your key is ready. Though I did change point 4 to read - 4. Your Key will be ready in about 24 hours. At that time, open the browse activity and click ?get a developer key? again. In theory someone could go through the process a hundred times, but until the Key is ready, nothing will happen. Though what I think would be really helpful is a single relatively short URL as a jumping off point for these Fedora on XO users. Any feedback on that? From morgan.collett at gmail.com Thu Nov 20 09:34:18 2008 From: morgan.collett at gmail.com (Morgan Collett) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 11:34:18 +0200 Subject: Instruction Card In-Reply-To: <49249BB2.1040809@webpath.net> References: <49247ACB.1040904@webpath.net> <49247D5A.2060705@redhat.com> <49249BB2.1040809@webpath.net> Message-ID: On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 01:05, Karlie Robinson wrote: > Bryan Kearney wrote: >> >> 2) Can you repeat step 3 to check on the status? I dont know if you >> understand that by reading 4 (asked another way, ow do I know it is ready?) > > I think the important thing to remember is that this is a quick start guide. > We only have the back side of a 4 x 6 inch page to get people going with > this. > > The XO gives instructions as your going through the steps too and there's a > clock that ticks down until your key is ready. > > Though I did change point 4 to read - > > 4. Your Key will be ready in about 24 hours. At that time, open the browse > activity and click "get a developer key" again. > > In theory someone could go through the process a hundred times, but until > the Key is ready, nothing will happen. > > Though what I think would be really helpful is a single relatively short URL > as a jumping off point for these Fedora on XO users. Any feedback on that? A quick note that the first batch of G1G1 laptops have an older release of software on them, with a different screen layout: http://lists.laptop.org/pipermail/devel/2008-November/021258.html This was because Amazon started stocking up before the current release was ready. Regards Morgan From bkearney at redhat.com Thu Nov 20 13:34:38 2008 From: bkearney at redhat.com (Bryan Kearney) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 08:34:38 -0500 Subject: Instruction Card In-Reply-To: <49249BB2.1040809@webpath.net> References: <49247ACB.1040904@webpath.net> <49247D5A.2060705@redhat.com> <49249BB2.1040809@webpath.net> Message-ID: <4925676E.3070803@redhat.com> Karlie Robinson wrote: > Bryan Kearney wrote: >> 2) Can you repeat step 3 to check on the status? I dont know if you >> understand that by reading 4 (asked another way, ow do I know it is >> ready?) > I think the important thing to remember is that this is a quick start > guide. We only have the back side of a 4 x 6 inch page to get people > going with this. > > The XO gives instructions as your going through the steps too and > there's a clock that ticks down until your key is ready. > > Though I did change point 4 to read - > > 4. Your Key will be ready in about 24 hours. At that time, open the > browse activity and click ?get a developer key? again. Looks good.. thanks! > > In theory someone could go through the process a hundred times, but > until the Key is ready, nothing will happen. > > Though what I think would be really helpful is a single relatively short > URL as a jumping off point for these Fedora on XO users. Any feedback on > that? Sounds like a good idea. -- bk From bkearney at redhat.com Thu Nov 20 14:30:16 2008 From: bkearney at redhat.com (Bryan Kearney) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 09:30:16 -0500 Subject: Adding new Activities via RPM Message-ID: <49257478.4000501@redhat.com> If you add a new activity via a yum update, you have to restart sugar for it to appear on the desktop (or, to appear on the list so you can put it on the desktop). Combine that with the fact there is no logout for Sugar, you are left with either a restart (reboot) or Ctrl-alt-backspace. I understand you can download .xo files from a website. Are these automatically added to the desktop? If so, is there some code or script which we can put in an rpm %post section to make them appear? -- bk From gdk at redhat.com Thu Nov 20 14:58:06 2008 From: gdk at redhat.com (Greg Dekoenigsberg) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 09:58:06 -0500 (EST) Subject: Adding new Activities via RPM In-Reply-To: <49257478.4000501@redhat.com> References: <49257478.4000501@redhat.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 20 Nov 2008, Bryan Kearney wrote: > If you add a new activity via a yum update, you have to restart sugar > for it to appear on the desktop (or, to appear on the list so you can > put it on the desktop). Combine that with the fact there is no logout > for Sugar, you are left with either a restart (reboot) or > Ctrl-alt-backspace. > > I understand you can download .xo files from a website. Are these > automatically added to the desktop? If so, is there some code or script > which we can put in an rpm %post section to make them appear? In Sugar, when you download an Activity, it shows up both in the Journal and on the Launcher basically immediately -- but that's because it shows up, I think, in the user's homedir. Activities can run either from the systemwide activity space -- which is where RPM puts them -- or the local user space, which is where the activity goes when a user downloads it. Not sure I've answered your question though, heh. --g From bkearney at redhat.com Thu Nov 20 15:03:09 2008 From: bkearney at redhat.com (Bryan Kearney) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 10:03:09 -0500 Subject: Adding new Activities via RPM In-Reply-To: References: <49257478.4000501@redhat.com> Message-ID: <49257C2D.2090206@redhat.com> Greg Dekoenigsberg wrote: > > On Thu, 20 Nov 2008, Bryan Kearney wrote: > >> If you add a new activity via a yum update, you have to restart sugar >> for it to appear on the desktop (or, to appear on the list so you can >> put it on the desktop). Combine that with the fact there is no logout >> for Sugar, you are left with either a restart (reboot) or >> Ctrl-alt-backspace. >> >> I understand you can download .xo files from a website. Are these >> automatically added to the desktop? If so, is there some code or >> script which we can put in an rpm %post section to make them appear? > > In Sugar, when you download an Activity, it shows up both in the Journal > and on the Launcher basically immediately -- but that's because it shows > up, I think, in the user's homedir. Activities can run either from the > systemwide activity space -- which is where RPM puts them -- or the > local user space, which is where the activity goes when a user downloads > it. > > Not sure I've answered your question though, heh. No.. you did not :) There is some incantation to tell sugar to refresh the activities. If we could put that in the rpm (or at least doco it) it would make installing a much more pleasant activity. -- bk From mpgritti at gmail.com Thu Nov 20 15:37:55 2008 From: mpgritti at gmail.com (Marco Pesenti Gritti) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 10:37:55 -0500 Subject: Adding new Activities via RPM In-Reply-To: <49257478.4000501@redhat.com> References: <49257478.4000501@redhat.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 9:30 AM, Bryan Kearney wrote: > If you add a new activity via a yum update, you have to restart sugar for it > to appear on the desktop (or, to appear on the list so you can put it on the > desktop). Combine that with the fact there is no logout for Sugar, you are > left with either a restart (reboot) or Ctrl-alt-backspace. > > I understand you can download .xo files from a website. Are these > automatically added to the desktop? If so, is there some code or script > which we can put in an rpm %post section to make them appear? Probably sugar should use inotify to detect new installations... Ticket at d.s.o please :) Marco From bkearney at redhat.com Thu Nov 20 15:40:11 2008 From: bkearney at redhat.com (Bryan Kearney) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 10:40:11 -0500 Subject: Adding new Activities via RPM In-Reply-To: References: <49257478.4000501@redhat.com> Message-ID: <492584DB.2060708@redhat.com> Marco Pesenti Gritti wrote: > On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 9:30 AM, Bryan Kearney wrote: >> If you add a new activity via a yum update, you have to restart sugar for it >> to appear on the desktop (or, to appear on the list so you can put it on the >> desktop). Combine that with the fact there is no logout for Sugar, you are >> left with either a restart (reboot) or Ctrl-alt-backspace. >> >> I understand you can download .xo files from a website. Are these >> automatically added to the desktop? If so, is there some code or script >> which we can put in an rpm %post section to make them appear? > > Probably sugar should use inotify to detect new installations... > Ticket at d.s.o please :) Will do.. do you want it here: http://dev.laptop.org/newticket -- bk From mpgritti at gmail.com Thu Nov 20 15:45:18 2008 From: mpgritti at gmail.com (Marco Pesenti Gritti) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 10:45:18 -0500 Subject: Adding new Activities via RPM In-Reply-To: <492584DB.2060708@redhat.com> References: <49257478.4000501@redhat.com> <492584DB.2060708@redhat.com> Message-ID: Here actually http://dev.sugarlabs.org/ being an upstream issue... Marco On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 10:40 AM, Bryan Kearney wrote: > Marco Pesenti Gritti wrote: >> >> On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 9:30 AM, Bryan Kearney >> wrote: >>> >>> If you add a new activity via a yum update, you have to restart sugar for >>> it >>> to appear on the desktop (or, to appear on the list so you can put it on >>> the >>> desktop). Combine that with the fact there is no logout for Sugar, you >>> are >>> left with either a restart (reboot) or Ctrl-alt-backspace. >>> >>> I understand you can download .xo files from a website. Are these >>> automatically added to the desktop? If so, is there some code or script >>> which we can put in an rpm %post section to make them appear? >> >> Probably sugar should use inotify to detect new installations... >> Ticket at d.s.o please :) > > Will do.. do you want it here: http://dev.laptop.org/newticket > > -- bk > > > > From bkearney at redhat.com Thu Nov 20 15:45:34 2008 From: bkearney at redhat.com (Bryan Kearney) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 10:45:34 -0500 Subject: Adding new Activities via RPM In-Reply-To: References: <49257478.4000501@redhat.com> <492584DB.2060708@redhat.com> Message-ID: <4925861E.6030201@redhat.com> Marco Pesenti Gritti wrote: > Here actually http://dev.sugarlabs.org/ being an upstream issue... > > Marco > > On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 10:40 AM, Bryan Kearney wrote: >> Marco Pesenti Gritti wrote: >>> On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 9:30 AM, Bryan Kearney >>> wrote: >>>> If you add a new activity via a yum update, you have to restart sugar for >>>> it >>>> to appear on the desktop (or, to appear on the list so you can put it on >>>> the >>>> desktop). Combine that with the fact there is no logout for Sugar, you >>>> are >>>> left with either a restart (reboot) or Ctrl-alt-backspace. >>>> >>>> I understand you can download .xo files from a website. Are these >>>> automatically added to the desktop? If so, is there some code or script >>>> which we can put in an rpm %post section to make them appear? >>> Probably sugar should use inotify to detect new installations... >>> Ticket at d.s.o please :) >> Will do.. do you want it here: http://dev.laptop.org/newticket >> >> -- bk Actually... a ticket was already created: http://dev.sugarlabs.org/ticket/43 -- bk From cjb at laptop.org Thu Nov 20 15:51:19 2008 From: cjb at laptop.org (Chris Ball) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 10:51:19 -0500 Subject: Adding new Activities via RPM In-Reply-To: <49257C2D.2090206@redhat.com> (Bryan Kearney's message of "Thu, 20 Nov 2008 10:03:09 -0500") References: <49257478.4000501@redhat.com> <49257C2D.2090206@redhat.com> Message-ID: Hi, > There is some incantation to tell sugar to refresh the > activities. If we could put that in the rpm (or at least doco it) > it would make installing a much more pleasant activity. I think there's a goal of making this just work via inotify or something, so the answer may be "hang on a few weeks". The way that Sugar handles it when you download from the Sugar browser is: from sugar.bundle.activitybundle import ActivityBundle xo = "/filename/that/was/just/downloaded.xo" ActivityBundle(xo).install() When an activity's installed in this way, a dbus message to add the new activity to the the Sugar view is created, as I understand it. For this to be done inside the RPM, we'd need to be: * running as the right user * with the right $DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS envvar set and a connection to the session bus * and Sugar running at the time, of course (So Greg's statement about the activities being in the user's homedir isn't the right answer; it's that we tell Sugar about the new activity directly, not that it knows to track changes to a directory.) Given how much hassle it would be to satisfy the bullet points above, letting the Sugar folks know that the inotify idea is something Fedora would like soon is probably the best way forward. Thanks! - Chris. -- Chris Ball From gdk at redhat.com Thu Nov 20 15:57:37 2008 From: gdk at redhat.com (Greg Dekoenigsberg) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 10:57:37 -0500 (EST) Subject: Fedora OLPC meeting today Message-ID: Hello all. Reminder that we have a meeting today at 1pm Eastern US time, on irc.freenode.net, #fedora-olpc. Our agenda, as always: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/OLPC/Tasks --g From karlie_robinson at webpath.net Thu Nov 20 16:32:45 2008 From: karlie_robinson at webpath.net (Karlie Robinson) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 11:32:45 -0500 Subject: Package Front Mock-up Message-ID: <4925912D.3060904@webpath.net> Here's a rough mock-up of the front of the package. http://on-disk.com/cms/edit/data/files//package-front-mockup.jpg I'm expecting a logo from OLPC this afternoon and once I know the shape and such I'll finish up the text and such that needs to be added. The SD card won't actually be printed to the Card, but glued on. The photo I took is just to give you an idea of what the package will look like. The actual PDF that I send to the printer will be posted when I'm completely done. ~Karlie From stickster at gmail.com Thu Nov 20 16:39:21 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 11:39:21 -0500 Subject: Package Front Mock-up In-Reply-To: <4925912D.3060904@webpath.net> References: <4925912D.3060904@webpath.net> Message-ID: <20081120163921.GA16261@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 11:32:45AM -0500, Karlie Robinson wrote: > Here's a rough mock-up of the front of the package. > > http://on-disk.com/cms/edit/data/files//package-front-mockup.jpg > > I'm expecting a logo from OLPC this afternoon and once I know the shape > and such I'll finish up the text and such that needs to be added. > > The SD card won't actually be printed to the Card, but glued on. The > photo I took is just to give you an idea of what the package will look > like. > > The actual PDF that I send to the printer will be posted when I'm > completely done. Karlie, can you remove the extra white border from the Fedora logo? I understand it's probably there to make the logo stand out against the background, but our Artwork team usually does this in a different way, like a black drop shadow around the entire logo (text + bubble). Come by IRC Freenode #fedora-art and we can help you with it. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Frields) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 12:18:53 -0500 Subject: Package Front Mock-up In-Reply-To: <49259853.3080505@webpath.net> References: <4925912D.3060904@webpath.net> <20081120163921.GA16261@localhost.localdomain> <49259853.3080505@webpath.net> Message-ID: <20081120171853.GC16720@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 12:03:15PM -0500, Karlie Robinson wrote: > Try it now - > http://on-disk.com/cms/edit/data/files//package-front-mockup.jpg Actually, I'd suggest using black for the shadow, and having it blur around the edges of the entire logo, as opposed to being diagonally offset. That way the black blur will surround the whole thing. It would probably be a good idea to have the Artwork team involved in this so that we can make sure the design follows the general principles for everything else for Fedora 10. Having a unified and consistent presentation is a very good thing for marketing purposes. What tool are you using to create this? Is it a free tool that our Artwork team can use along with source you provide? -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From stickster at gmail.com Thu Nov 20 17:58:39 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 12:58:39 -0500 Subject: [Re: Package Front Mock-up] Message-ID: <20081120175839.GA22940@localhost.localdomain> Making sure this gets seen by Artwork; I think this was supposed to be a list reply, right? If not, I'll apologize in advance... :-) Paul ----- Forwarded message from Karlie Robinson ----- Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 12:35:56 -0500 From: Karlie Robinson To: "Paul W. Frields" Subject: Re: Package Front Mock-up I'm using the GIMP and I've changed it to one of the shades of blue from the solar image. Just that I need to flop the logos on this once I get the officially licensed image from OLPC and get it to the printer this afternoon. I'm using a 4.25 by 6.25 inch image at 200DPI or 850x1250px so that I have a 800x1200 final print area when the 1/8 inch bleed is cut off all 4 sides. If someone can shoot me a logo that looks good sitting on top of the Solar desktop, I'll take it. Paul W. Frields wrote: > On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 12:03:15PM -0500, Karlie Robinson wrote: > >> Try it now - >> http://on-disk.com/cms/edit/data/files//package-front-mockup.jpg >> > > Actually, I'd suggest using black for the shadow, and having it blur > around the edges of the entire logo, as opposed to being diagonally > offset. That way the black blur will surround the whole thing. > > It would probably be a good idea to have the Artwork team involved in > this so that we can make sure the design follows the general > principles for everything else for Fedora 10. Having a unified and > consistent presentation is a very good thing for marketing purposes. > > What tool are you using to create this? Is it a free tool that our > Artwork team can use along with source you provide? > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-olpc-list mailing list > Fedora-olpc-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-olpc-list ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From bkearney at redhat.com Fri Nov 21 14:14:36 2008 From: bkearney at redhat.com (Bryan Kearney) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 09:14:36 -0500 Subject: Can not launch sugar in rawhide Message-ID: <4926C24C.1040306@redhat.com> I am attempting to test sugar in a vm using the steps below. I get to the initial login, and select the sugar desktop. It accepts username/password and begins to log me in. It them flashes once, and takes me back to the login. Any ideas where I should look for errors? -- bk Steps to re-produce (on F9) * yum install appliance-tools python-virtinst * Download the kickstart file copied from the sdizillas in the kickstart repo: http://git.et.redhat.com/?p=acex.git;a=blob;f=sugarxo/resources/sugar-f10.ks; * appliance-creator --name sugarxo --config [PATH TO KSFILE] * virt-imavge sugarxo.xml * Then connect via virt-manager or virt-viewer From cjb at laptop.org Fri Nov 21 14:30:03 2008 From: cjb at laptop.org (Chris Ball) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 09:30:03 -0500 Subject: Can not launch sugar in rawhide In-Reply-To: <4926C24C.1040306@redhat.com> (Bryan Kearney's message of "Fri, 21 Nov 2008 09:14:36 -0500") References: <4926C24C.1040306@redhat.com> Message-ID: Hi Bryan, > I am attempting to test sugar in a vm using the steps below. I get > to the initial login, and select the sugar desktop. It accepts > username/password and begins to log me in. It them flashes once, > and takes me back to the login. Any ideas where I should look for > errors? You might try "sugar-emulator" inside a GNOME session, and also look at ~/.xsession-errors*. If Sugar was actually starting, you'd have something in ~/.sugar/default/logs/shell.log, but it sounds like you're being kicked back to GDM before that. - Chris. -- Chris Ball From simon at schampijer.de Fri Nov 21 14:35:46 2008 From: simon at schampijer.de (Simon Schampijer) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 15:35:46 +0100 Subject: Can not launch sugar in rawhide In-Reply-To: References: <4926C24C.1040306@redhat.com> Message-ID: <4926C742.8050104@schampijer.de> Chris Ball wrote: > Hi Bryan, > > > I am attempting to test sugar in a vm using the steps below. I get > > to the initial login, and select the sugar desktop. It accepts > > username/password and begins to log me in. It them flashes once, > > and takes me back to the login. Any ideas where I should look for > > errors? > > You might try "sugar-emulator" inside a GNOME session, and also look > at ~/.xsession-errors*. If Sugar was actually starting, you'd have > something in ~/.sugar/default/logs/shell.log, but it sounds like > you're being kicked back to GDM before that. > > - Chris. Hi, I am sure you see http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=70446 The fixed rpm is built but did not get accepted for the golden images. https://fedorahosted.org/rel-eng/ticket/1101 Best, Simon From bkearney at redhat.com Fri Nov 21 14:40:24 2008 From: bkearney at redhat.com (Bryan Kearney) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 09:40:24 -0500 Subject: Can not launch sugar in rawhide In-Reply-To: <4926C742.8050104@schampijer.de> References: <4926C24C.1040306@redhat.com> <4926C742.8050104@schampijer.de> Message-ID: <4926C858.9050208@redhat.com> Simon Schampijer wrote: > Chris Ball wrote: >> Hi Bryan, >> >> > I am attempting to test sugar in a vm using the steps below. I get >> > to the initial login, and select the sugar desktop. It accepts >> > username/password and begins to log me in. It them flashes once, >> > and takes me back to the login. Any ideas where I should look for >> > errors? >> >> You might try "sugar-emulator" inside a GNOME session, and also look >> at ~/.xsession-errors*. If Sugar was actually starting, you'd have >> something in ~/.sugar/default/logs/shell.log, but it sounds like >> you're being kicked back to GDM before that. >> >> - Chris. > > Hi, > > I am sure you see > http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=70446 > > The fixed rpm is built but did not get accepted for the golden images. > > https://fedorahosted.org/rel-eng/ticket/1101 > > Best, > Simon I get this in my .xsession-errors file. Is that related? -- bk Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/bin/sugar-shell", line 30, in from main import main File "/usr/share/sugar/shell/main.py", line 32, in import view.Shell File "/usr/share/sugar/shell/view/Shell.py", line 38, in from view.frame import frame File "/usr/share/sugar/shell/view/frame/frame.py", line 29, in from view.frame.activitiestray import ActivitiesTray File "/usr/share/sugar/shell/view/frame/activitiestray.py", line 33, in from model import shellmodel File "/usr/share/sugar/shell/model/shellmodel.py", line 24, in from model.devices.devicesmodel import DevicesModel File "/usr/share/sugar/shell/model/devices/devicesmodel.py", line 25, in from model import network File "/usr/share/sugar/shell/model/network.py", line 23, in from sugar import dispatch From cjb at laptop.org Fri Nov 21 14:46:38 2008 From: cjb at laptop.org (Chris Ball) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 09:46:38 -0500 Subject: Can not launch sugar in rawhide In-Reply-To: <4926C858.9050208@redhat.com> (Bryan Kearney's message of "Fri, 21 Nov 2008 09:40:24 -0500") References: <4926C24C.1040306@redhat.com> <4926C742.8050104@schampijer.de> <4926C858.9050208@redhat.com> Message-ID: Hi, > I get this in my .xsession-errors file. Is that related? Yup, that's the error Simon describes. Sounds like you need to install the RPMs from the linked Koji build. Thanks, - Chris. -- Chris Ball From bkearney at redhat.com Fri Nov 21 14:47:27 2008 From: bkearney at redhat.com (Bryan Kearney) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 09:47:27 -0500 Subject: Can not launch sugar in rawhide In-Reply-To: References: <4926C24C.1040306@redhat.com> <4926C742.8050104@schampijer.de> <4926C858.9050208@redhat.com> Message-ID: <4926C9FF.7060407@redhat.com> Chris Ball wrote: > Hi, > > > I get this in my .xsession-errors file. Is that related? > > Yup, that's the error Simon describes. Sounds like you need to install > the RPMs from the linked Koji build. > > Thanks, > > - Chris. ok.. i will wait for the updates and then change the kickstart file to build from the deployment and the updates. -- bk From simon at schampijer.de Fri Nov 21 14:54:03 2008 From: simon at schampijer.de (Simon Schampijer) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 15:54:03 +0100 Subject: Can not launch sugar in rawhide In-Reply-To: References: <4926C24C.1040306@redhat.com> <4926C742.8050104@schampijer.de> <4926C858.9050208@redhat.com> Message-ID: <4926CB8B.40204@schampijer.de> Chris Ball wrote: > Hi, > > > I get this in my .xsession-errors file. Is that related? > > Yup, that's the error Simon describes. Sounds like you need to install > the RPMs from the linked Koji build. > > Thanks, > > - Chris. Yes that is the error. You can do what Chris describes for now (would be a welcomed test sample as well). I am just in the process of pushing this package as an update. As I understand it from conversations, F10 updates will hit the mirrors before F10 is public. So I hope this will not be as dramatic. Best, Simon From bkearney at redhat.com Fri Nov 21 15:10:45 2008 From: bkearney at redhat.com (Bryan Kearney) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 10:10:45 -0500 Subject: Can not launch sugar in rawhide In-Reply-To: <4926CB8B.40204@schampijer.de> References: <4926C24C.1040306@redhat.com> <4926C742.8050104@schampijer.de> <4926C858.9050208@redhat.com> <4926CB8B.40204@schampijer.de> Message-ID: <4926CF75.4070002@redhat.com> Simon Schampijer wrote: > Chris Ball wrote: >> Hi, >> >> > I get this in my .xsession-errors file. Is that related? >> >> Yup, that's the error Simon describes. Sounds like you need to install >> the RPMs from the linked Koji build. >> >> Thanks, >> >> - Chris. > > Yes that is the error. You can do what Chris describes for now (would be > a welcomed test sample as well). I am just in the process of pushing > this package as an update. As I understand it from conversations, F10 > updates will hit the mirrors before F10 is public. So I hope this will > not be as dramatic. > > Best, > Simon > I installed it.. and it works for me. -- bk From karlie_robinson at webpath.net Fri Nov 21 17:04:24 2008 From: karlie_robinson at webpath.net (Karlie Robinson) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 12:04:24 -0500 Subject: Fact-check - OLPC News Article Message-ID: <4926EA18.6090703@webpath.net> I was asked by Wayan Vota of OLPCNews.com to prepare a short article about the F10 SD cards. The ending needs a wrap up, but could you check this rough draft for me? http://on-disk.com/cms/index.php?wiki=preview Anything jump out at you as wrong? Either fact wise, or spelling/grammar wise? Thanks in advance. ~Karlie From karlie_robinson at webpath.net Fri Nov 21 17:24:09 2008 From: karlie_robinson at webpath.net (Karlie Robinson) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 12:24:09 -0500 Subject: Off to the printers Message-ID: <4926EEB9.2000705@webpath.net> Here's what I'm going to send to the printer today. http://on-disk.com/cms/edit/data/files//Fedora10onXOpackage.pdf Final thoughts before I commit to the printing ~Karlie From ivazqueznet at gmail.com Fri Nov 21 17:32:44 2008 From: ivazqueznet at gmail.com (Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 12:32:44 -0500 Subject: Fact-check - OLPC News Article In-Reply-To: <4926EA18.6090703@webpath.net> References: <4926EA18.6090703@webpath.net> Message-ID: <1227288764.736.198.camel@ignacio.lan> On Fri, 2008-11-21 at 12:04 -0500, Karlie Robinson wrote: > The ending needs a wrap up, but could you check this rough draft for me? > http://on-disk.com/cms/index.php?wiki=preview > > Anything jump out at you as wrong? Either fact wise, or > spelling/grammar wise? Lots of very, very small paragraphs. I would fuse the following paragraphs: 1 and 2 3 and 4 9 and 10 I would avoid mentioning "Amazon's commission" in paragraph 8 and simply state that you are an "alternate source". And "download" should be "downloading". "Support for the" at the beginning of paragraph 9 should just be "The" or "This". "(Linux, Apple, Microsoft)" in paragraph 4 are not quite in the same class, but that's probably more my pedantry than an actual problem per se. Perhaps "(Linux, Mac, Windows)" might be better, although still not quite precise. But everyone knows it as "Mac" and not "OS X". The "or" in paragraph 11 should be "nor", and "the cards," should be "them,". -- Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams PLEASE don't CC me; I'm already subscribed -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I would fuse the following > paragraphs: > > 1 and 2 > 3 and 4 > 9 and 10 > > I would avoid mentioning "Amazon's commission" in paragraph 8 and simply > state that you are an "alternate source". And "download" should be > "downloading". > > "Support for the" at the beginning of paragraph 9 should just be "The" > or "This". > > "(Linux, Apple, Microsoft)" in paragraph 4 are not quite in the same > class, but that's probably more my pedantry than an actual problem per > se. Perhaps "(Linux, Mac, Windows)" might be better, although still not > quite precise. But everyone knows it as "Mac" and not "OS X". > > The "or" in paragraph 11 should be "nor", and "the cards," should be > "them,". > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-olpc-list mailing list > Fedora-olpc-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-olpc-list From stickster at gmail.com Fri Nov 21 18:32:15 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 13:32:15 -0500 Subject: Off to the printers In-Reply-To: <4926EEB9.2000705@webpath.net> References: <4926EEB9.2000705@webpath.net> Message-ID: <20081121183215.GB4702@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 12:24:09PM -0500, Karlie Robinson wrote: > Here's what I'm going to send to the printer today. > > http://on-disk.com/cms/edit/data/files//Fedora10onXOpackage.pdf > > Final thoughts before I commit to the printing That glow looks much better -- I'm sorry I couldn't help with this, too many press interviews yesterday. Can you try with the glow centered behind the logo? That would create a very light, fuzzy outline around the bubble which would look better, and is usually what our Artwork team does. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From karlie_robinson at webpath.net Fri Nov 21 19:40:56 2008 From: karlie_robinson at webpath.net (Karlie Robinson) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 14:40:56 -0500 Subject: Off to the printers In-Reply-To: <20081121183215.GB4702@localhost.localdomain> References: <4926EEB9.2000705@webpath.net> <20081121183215.GB4702@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <49270EC8.3070802@webpath.net> No problem, Paul. We were all really busy yesterday. I've done the glow all the way around and it's been uploaded to the same URL Paul W. Frields wrote: > On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 12:24:09PM -0500, Karlie Robinson wrote: > > http://on-disk.com/cms/edit/data/files//Fedora10onXOpackage.pdf > > > That glow looks much better -- I'm sorry I couldn't help with this, > too many press interviews yesterday. > > No problem, Paul. We were all really busy yesterday. I've done the glow all the way around and it's been uploaded to the same URL. I'm sending it to the printer right now. Karlie From karlie_robinson at webpath.net Fri Nov 21 19:41:08 2008 From: karlie_robinson at webpath.net (Karlie Robinson) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 14:41:08 -0500 Subject: Off to the printers In-Reply-To: <20081121183215.GB4702@localhost.localdomain> References: <4926EEB9.2000705@webpath.net> <20081121183215.GB4702@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <49270ED4.3080702@webpath.net> Paul W. Frields wrote: > On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 12:24:09PM -0500, Karlie Robinson wrote: > > http://on-disk.com/cms/edit/data/files//Fedora10onXOpackage.pdf > > > That glow looks much better -- I'm sorry I couldn't help with this, > too many press interviews yesterday. > > No problem, Paul. We were all really busy yesterday. I've done the glow all the way around and it's been uploaded to the same URL. I'm sending it to the printer right now. Karlie From stickster at gmail.com Sat Nov 22 20:43:34 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 15:43:34 -0500 Subject: Off to the printers In-Reply-To: <49270ED4.3080702@webpath.net> References: <4926EEB9.2000705@webpath.net> <20081121183215.GB4702@localhost.localdomain> <49270ED4.3080702@webpath.net> Message-ID: <20081122204334.GD16208@salma.internal.frields.org> On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 02:41:08PM -0500, Karlie Robinson wrote: > Paul W. Frields wrote: >> On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 12:24:09PM -0500, Karlie Robinson wrote: >> >> http://on-disk.com/cms/edit/data/files//Fedora10onXOpackage.pdf >> >> >> That glow looks much better -- I'm sorry I couldn't help with this, >> too many press interviews yesterday. >> >> > No problem, Paul. > > We were all really busy yesterday. > > I've done the glow all the way around and it's been uploaded to the same > URL. I'm sending it to the printer right now. > > Karlie > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-olpc-list mailing list > Fedora-olpc-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-olpc-list Super, that'll work. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From todd at webpath.net Mon Nov 24 15:48:32 2008 From: todd at webpath.net (Todd Robinson) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 10:48:32 -0500 Subject: Ready for production....just need the product. In-Reply-To: <4926F6E8.8090204@webpath.net> References: <4926EA18.6090703@webpath.net> <1227288764.736.198.camel@ignacio.lan> <4926F6E8.8090204@webpath.net> Message-ID: <492ACCD0.5080909@webpath.net> Who can I talk to about getting the final F10 XO image ASAP so we (On-Disk.com) can start production? Or should I build it using the latest livecd-iso-to-disk.sh script + final live i686 ISO to make the XO SD card layout? If so, can I get a early download link for the ISO and the exact livecd-iso-to-disk.sh script that you wish to be used for the final product? Thank you, Todd From ed at laptop.org Mon Nov 24 16:26:20 2008 From: ed at laptop.org (Ed McNierney) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 11:26:20 -0500 Subject: Ready for production....just need the product. In-Reply-To: <492ACCD0.5080909@webpath.net> References: <4926EA18.6090703@webpath.net> <1227288764.736.198.camel@ignacio.lan> <4926F6E8.8090204@webpath.net> <492ACCD0.5080909@webpath.net> Message-ID: <8BE43E6D-C899-4732-B18E-91BDDFDF23B1@laptop.org> Todd - I would be absolutely certain to check with Jeremy Katz to be sure you are indeed using the latest livecd-iso-to-disk.sh script. There have been some recent fixes that you need to have. Otherwise I would be also sure that you have a final F10 ISO image and wait for feedback on others doing testing, especially testing on different ROM versions (unless you're planning on doing that yourself). I just want to encourage you to take a little extra time for testing before you start cranking on duplication! - Ed On Nov 24, 2008, at 10:48 AM, Todd Robinson wrote: > Who can I talk to about getting the final F10 XO image ASAP so we > (On-Disk.com) can start production? > > Or should I build it using the latest livecd-iso-to-disk.sh script + > final live i686 ISO to make the XO SD card layout? If so, can I get > a early download link for the ISO and the exact livecd-iso-to- > disk.sh script that you wish to be used for the final product? > > > Thank you, > Todd > > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-olpc-list mailing list > Fedora-olpc-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-olpc-list From ed at laptop.org Mon Nov 24 18:11:46 2008 From: ed at laptop.org (Ed McNierney) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 13:11:46 -0500 Subject: Final check on F10 comments/testing Message-ID: <6AC12BF0-3581-4213-9DA2-F8C7AB662B5F@laptop.org> Folks - I would like to give Karlie and Todd at On-Disk.com some sense of the testing and user community on the F10 release. Could everyone please comment on their experience using the latest Preview release and Jeremy's most recent boot script? I'll start by pointing out that I'm still concerned about the usability of this release. I've spent this morning trying things out, and I continue to get assorted boot-time failures (hangs) maybe half the time. When I do boot successfully things seem fine, but my wireless network connection keeps dropping and I can't launch FireFox at all. I realize I'm doing intermittent tests in the middle of doing a lot of other things, so user and/or environmental errors may be at least partly to blame. It would be very valuable to hear from other folks who've been more active who can look at the current release and let us know what you think - thanks! - Ed From ed at laptop.org Tue Nov 25 14:54:54 2008 From: ed at laptop.org (Ed McNierney) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 09:54:54 -0500 Subject: Final check on F10 comments/testing In-Reply-To: <6AC12BF0-3581-4213-9DA2-F8C7AB662B5F@laptop.org> References: <6AC12BF0-3581-4213-9DA2-F8C7AB662B5F@laptop.org> Message-ID: Folks - I have learned that at least some Thunderbird configs swallowed this message into their you-know-what filter. I'm wondering if that's the reason I saw *no responses* at all to the question. I'm resending the message below in the hopes that this version will appear more palatable. I'm trying to get Karlie and Todd the best advice possible from our Fedora-OLPC community on how the final F10 releases are looking. Thanks. - Ed On Nov 24, 2008, at 1:11 PM, Ed McNierney wrote: > Folks - > > I would like to give Karlie and Todd at On-Disk.com some sense of > the testing and user community on the F10 release. Could everyone > please comment on their experience using the latest Preview release > and Jeremy's most recent boot script? > > I'll start by pointing out that I'm still concerned about the > usability of this release. I've spent this morning trying things > out, and I continue to get assorted boot-time failures (hangs) maybe > half the time. When I do boot successfully things seem fine, but my > wireless network connection keeps dropping and I can't launch > FireFox at all. I realize I'm doing intermittent tests in the > middle of doing a lot of other things, so user and/or environmental > errors may be at least partly to blame. > > It would be very valuable to hear from other folks who've been more > active who can look at the current release and let us know what you > think - thanks! > > - Ed From todd at webpath.net Tue Nov 25 14:58:16 2008 From: todd at webpath.net (Todd Robinson) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 09:58:16 -0500 Subject: Ready for production....just need the product. In-Reply-To: <8BE43E6D-C899-4732-B18E-91BDDFDF23B1@laptop.org> References: <4926EA18.6090703@webpath.net> <1227288764.736.198.camel@ignacio.lan> <4926F6E8.8090204@webpath.net> <492ACCD0.5080909@webpath.net> <8BE43E6D-C899-4732-B18E-91BDDFDF23B1@laptop.org> Message-ID: <492C1288.2000901@webpath.net> I'm not really sure what to do here. I emailed Jeremy yesterday and haven't heard back. At this point we have customers expecting to have their orders shipped TODAY, and I still don't have the final livecd-iso-to-disk.sh script we are supposed to use, or an ISO to use it on. There will still be a couple of hours of testing after getting them before we can do a production run. With each passing means that just that many more customers will not have their orders mailed out today. We have been told all along that F10 for the XO would be finished BEFORE today, and that there wouldn't be a problem getting what we needed for production prior to the F10 release. Obviously getting anything in advance is no longer possible, and I'm wondering, from the lack of input here, just where things stand? It's crunch time here and all I hear are crickets chirping. Ed McNierney wrote: > Todd - > > I would be absolutely certain to check with Jeremy Katz to be sure you > are indeed using the latest livecd-iso-to-disk.sh script. There have > been some recent fixes that you need to have. Otherwise I would be > also sure that you have a final F10 ISO image and wait for feedback on > others doing testing, especially testing on different ROM versions > (unless you're planning on doing that yourself). I just want to > encourage you to take a little extra time for testing before you start > cranking on duplication! > > - Ed > > > On Nov 24, 2008, at 10:48 AM, Todd Robinson wrote: > >> Who can I talk to about getting the final F10 XO image ASAP so we >> (On-Disk.com) can start production? >> >> Or should I build it using the latest livecd-iso-to-disk.sh script + >> final live i686 ISO to make the XO SD card layout? If so, can I get a >> early download link for the ISO and the exact livecd-iso-to-disk.sh >> script that you wish to be used for the final product? >> >> >> Thank you, >> Todd >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Fedora-olpc-list mailing list >> Fedora-olpc-list at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-olpc-list > From ed at laptop.org Tue Nov 25 15:06:32 2008 From: ed at laptop.org (Ed McNierney) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 10:06:32 -0500 Subject: Ready for production....just need the product. In-Reply-To: <492C1288.2000901@webpath.net> References: <4926EA18.6090703@webpath.net> <1227288764.736.198.camel@ignacio.lan> <4926F6E8.8090204@webpath.net> <492ACCD0.5080909@webpath.net> <8BE43E6D-C899-4732-B18E-91BDDFDF23B1@laptop.org> <492C1288.2000901@webpath.net> Message-ID: Todd - I don't understand why someone thought F10 for the XO would be done BEFORE today, since today's the GA release date (and has been for some time). I certainly never expected to see a GA release sooner, and in fact expected you'd take a day or two after getting the GA release to make sure you were comfortable with it before going into production. I have always relied on the livecd-iso-to-disk.sh script from Jeremy at http://katzj.fedorapeople.org/olpc/ and while I would wait to hear from him before production, I believe that is the right source. The most recent version is dated yesterday (24-Nov-2008). - Ed On Nov 25, 2008, at 9:58 AM, Todd Robinson wrote: > I'm not really sure what to do here. I emailed Jeremy yesterday and > haven't heard back. > > At this point we have customers expecting to have their orders > shipped TODAY, and I still don't have the final livecd-iso-to- > disk.sh script we are supposed to use, or an ISO to use it on. There > will still be a couple of hours of testing after getting them before > we can do a production run. With each passing means that just that > many more customers will not have their orders mailed out today. > > We have been told all along that F10 for the XO would be finished > BEFORE today, and that there wouldn't be a problem getting what we > needed for production prior to the F10 release. Obviously getting > anything in advance is no longer possible, and I'm wondering, from > the lack of input here, just where things stand? > > > It's crunch time here and all I hear are crickets chirping. > > > Ed McNierney wrote: >> Todd - >> >> I would be absolutely certain to check with Jeremy Katz to be sure >> you are indeed using the latest livecd-iso-to-disk.sh script. >> There have been some recent fixes that you need to have. Otherwise >> I would be also sure that you have a final F10 ISO image and wait >> for feedback on others doing testing, especially testing on >> different ROM versions (unless you're planning on doing that >> yourself). I just want to encourage you to take a little extra >> time for testing before you start cranking on duplication! >> >> - Ed >> >> >> On Nov 24, 2008, at 10:48 AM, Todd Robinson wrote: >> >>> Who can I talk to about getting the final F10 XO image ASAP so we >>> (On-Disk.com) can start production? >>> >>> Or should I build it using the latest livecd-iso-to-disk.sh script >>> + final live i686 ISO to make the XO SD card layout? If so, can I >>> get a early download link for the ISO and the exact livecd-iso-to- >>> disk.sh script that you wish to be used for the final product? >>> >>> >>> Thank you, >>> Todd >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Fedora-olpc-list mailing list >>> Fedora-olpc-list at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-olpc-list >> > From reuben at laptop.org Tue Nov 25 15:08:51 2008 From: reuben at laptop.org (Reuben K. Caron) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 10:08:51 -0500 Subject: Final check on F10 comments/testing In-Reply-To: <6AC12BF0-3581-4213-9DA2-F8C7AB662B5F@laptop.org> References: <6AC12BF0-3581-4213-9DA2-F8C7AB662B5F@laptop.org> Message-ID: <492C1503.5090409@laptop.org> Ed et al. First, I'd like to say kudos to all of the hard work gone into getting F10 to work with the XO. I've only been testing this over the last few weeks and I have seen great progress in the stability of the system, particularly in the most latest release. However, that being said I do have to agree with Ed; I often have to reboot several times to get into a working desktop. Then when successful after six minutes I get into that desktop it appears to be stable; however, things like Firefox take a while to load (I realize we are running a full live CD). My question is would this on-disk product be better served by building up an F10 distro slimmed down specifically for the XO and for placement on to a file system (ext3?) on the SD card rather then booting a live cd? My concern is that this solution gets seen as a desktop (manager) replacement for the XO and customers are angry after having spent $400 to get an XO and then ~$30 for and SD card that is only really meant for developers. Please bear in mind that it is not my intent to criticize here but rather to try and avoid what could be seen as a failure for OLPC/Fedora. Regards, Reuben Ed McNierney wrote: > Folks - > > I would like to give Karlie and Todd at On-Disk.com some sense of the > testing and user community on the F10 release. Could everyone please > comment on their experience using the latest Preview release and > Jeremy's most recent boot script? > > I'll start by pointing out that I'm still concerned about the > usability of this release. I've spent this morning trying things out, > and I continue to get assorted boot-time failures (hangs) maybe half > the time. When I do boot successfully things seem fine, but my > wireless network connection keeps dropping and I can't launch FireFox > at all. I realize I'm doing intermittent tests in the middle of doing > a lot of other things, so user and/or environmental errors may be at > least partly to blame. > > It would be very valuable to hear from other folks who've been more > active who can look at the current release and let us know what you > think - thanks! > > - Ed > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-olpc-list mailing list > Fedora-olpc-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-olpc-list From katzj at redhat.com Tue Nov 25 16:05:18 2008 From: katzj at redhat.com (Jeremy Katz) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 11:05:18 -0500 Subject: Ready for production....just need the product. In-Reply-To: <492C1288.2000901@webpath.net> References: <4926EA18.6090703@webpath.net> <1227288764.736.198.camel@ignacio.lan> <4926F6E8.8090204@webpath.net> <492ACCD0.5080909@webpath.net> <8BE43E6D-C899-4732-B18E-91BDDFDF23B1@laptop.org> <492C1288.2000901@webpath.net> Message-ID: <1227629118.13169.74.camel@aglarond.local> On Tue, 2008-11-25 at 09:58 -0500, Todd Robinson wrote: > I'm not really sure what to do here. I emailed Jeremy yesterday and > haven't heard back. Hmmm... I didn't see a message yesterday and I'm not seeing one looking back in my mail either. In any case... > At this point we have customers expecting to have their orders shipped > TODAY, and I still don't have the final livecd-iso-to-disk.sh script we > are supposed to use, or an ISO to use it on. There will still be a > couple of hours of testing after getting them before we can do a > production run. With each passing means that just that many more > customers will not have their orders mailed out today. The ISO should be grabbable (it's the main Fedora 10 live image) or if you can't get it, let me know and I can try to give you a few other links that might get better bandwidth. [katzj at aglarond Live]$ sha1sum F10-i686-Live.iso c0efba4eb55c142bcda3d78d8a02fada2339a220 F10-i686-Live.iso And the livecd-iso-to-disk script is at http://katzj.fedorapeople.org/olpc/livecd-iso-to-disk.sh -- basically the same as what's on the ISO with one minor fix for quoting that I noticed Ignacio mentioned on IRC yesterday Jeremy From todd at webpath.net Tue Nov 25 16:45:40 2008 From: todd at webpath.net (Todd Robinson) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 11:45:40 -0500 Subject: Ready for production....just need the product. In-Reply-To: <1227629118.13169.74.camel@aglarond.local> References: <4926EA18.6090703@webpath.net> <1227288764.736.198.camel@ignacio.lan> <4926F6E8.8090204@webpath.net> <492ACCD0.5080909@webpath.net> <8BE43E6D-C899-4732-B18E-91BDDFDF23B1@laptop.org> <492C1288.2000901@webpath.net> <1227629118.13169.74.camel@aglarond.local> Message-ID: <492C2BB4.8060007@webpath.net> Jeremy, If I go ahead and make a functioning SD card with this script and the F10 Live ISO, can I image it and use it as the Official Fedora 10 XO release? (By functioning I mean put in both the XOs we have here and have it boot successfully to the desktop.) At this point we need someone to tell us what to use for the Official Fedora 10 XO SD card release. Thank you, Todd Jeremy Katz wrote: > On Tue, 2008-11-25 at 09:58 -0500, Todd Robinson wrote: > >> I'm not really sure what to do here. I emailed Jeremy yesterday and >> haven't heard back. >> > > Hmmm... I didn't see a message yesterday and I'm not seeing one looking > back in my mail either. In any case... > > >> At this point we have customers expecting to have their orders shipped >> TODAY, and I still don't have the final livecd-iso-to-disk.sh script we >> are supposed to use, or an ISO to use it on. There will still be a >> couple of hours of testing after getting them before we can do a >> production run. With each passing means that just that many more >> customers will not have their orders mailed out today. >> > > The ISO should be grabbable (it's the main Fedora 10 live image) or if > you can't get it, let me know and I can try to give you a few other > links that might get better bandwidth. > > [katzj at aglarond Live]$ sha1sum F10-i686-Live.iso > c0efba4eb55c142bcda3d78d8a02fada2339a220 F10-i686-Live.iso > > And the livecd-iso-to-disk script is at > http://katzj.fedorapeople.org/olpc/livecd-iso-to-disk.sh -- basically > the same as what's on the ISO with one minor fix for quoting that I > noticed Ignacio mentioned on IRC yesterday > > Jeremy > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-olpc-list mailing list > Fedora-olpc-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-olpc-list > From katzj at redhat.com Tue Nov 25 18:49:22 2008 From: katzj at redhat.com (Jeremy Katz) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 13:49:22 -0500 Subject: Ready for production....just need the product. In-Reply-To: <492C2BB4.8060007@webpath.net> References: <4926EA18.6090703@webpath.net> <1227288764.736.198.camel@ignacio.lan> <4926F6E8.8090204@webpath.net> <492ACCD0.5080909@webpath.net> <8BE43E6D-C899-4732-B18E-91BDDFDF23B1@laptop.org> <492C1288.2000901@webpath.net> <1227629118.13169.74.camel@aglarond.local> <492C2BB4.8060007@webpath.net> Message-ID: <1227638962.13169.110.camel@aglarond.local> On Tue, 2008-11-25 at 11:45 -0500, Todd Robinson wrote: > Jeremy, If I go ahead and make a functioning SD card with this script > and the F10 Live ISO, can I image it and use it as the Official Fedora > 10 XO release? (By functioning I mean put in both the XOs we have here > and have it boot successfully to the desktop.) > > At this point we need someone to tell us what to use for the Official > Fedora 10 XO SD card release. Yep, that's exactly right. And I'd suggest livecd-iso-to-disk.sh --xo --overlay-size-mb 512 --swap-size-mb 256 F10-i686-Live.iso /path/to/sd/card as the specific arguments to use Jeremy From todd at webpath.net Tue Nov 25 19:01:48 2008 From: todd at webpath.net (Todd Robinson) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 14:01:48 -0500 Subject: Ready for production....just need the product. In-Reply-To: <1227638962.13169.110.camel@aglarond.local> References: <4926EA18.6090703@webpath.net> <1227288764.736.198.camel@ignacio.lan> <4926F6E8.8090204@webpath.net> <492ACCD0.5080909@webpath.net> <8BE43E6D-C899-4732-B18E-91BDDFDF23B1@laptop.org> <492C1288.2000901@webpath.net> <1227629118.13169.74.camel@aglarond.local> <492C2BB4.8060007@webpath.net> <1227638962.13169.110.camel@aglarond.local> Message-ID: <492C4B9C.3030600@webpath.net> Excellent, thank you. Jeremy Katz wrote: > On Tue, 2008-11-25 at 11:45 -0500, Todd Robinson wrote: > >> Jeremy, If I go ahead and make a functioning SD card with this script >> and the F10 Live ISO, can I image it and use it as the Official Fedora >> 10 XO release? (By functioning I mean put in both the XOs we have here >> and have it boot successfully to the desktop.) >> >> At this point we need someone to tell us what to use for the Official >> Fedora 10 XO SD card release. >> > > Yep, that's exactly right. And I'd suggest > livecd-iso-to-disk.sh --xo --overlay-size-mb 512 --swap-size-mb 256 > F10-i686-Live.iso /path/to/sd/card > > as the specific arguments to use > > Jeremy > > From ed at laptop.org Tue Nov 25 19:22:40 2008 From: ed at laptop.org (Ed McNierney) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 14:22:40 -0500 Subject: Ready for production....just need the product. In-Reply-To: <492C4B9C.3030600@webpath.net> References: <4926EA18.6090703@webpath.net> <1227288764.736.198.camel@ignacio.lan> <4926F6E8.8090204@webpath.net> <492ACCD0.5080909@webpath.net> <8BE43E6D-C899-4732-B18E-91BDDFDF23B1@laptop.org> <492C1288.2000901@webpath.net> <1227629118.13169.74.camel@aglarond.local> <492C2BB4.8060007@webpath.net> <1227638962.13169.110.camel@aglarond.local> <492C4B9C.3030600@webpath.net> Message-ID: <9593DD0A-24A6-47C9-9811-715B15762865@laptop.org> Todd - I noticed that Jeremy updated his script today (later than the date I mentioned to you earlier) so you should be sure to grab the newest copy while you're waiting for F10 to download. - Ed On Nov 25, 2008, at 2:01 PM, Todd Robinson wrote: > Excellent, thank you. > > Jeremy Katz wrote: >> On Tue, 2008-11-25 at 11:45 -0500, Todd Robinson wrote: >> >>> Jeremy, If I go ahead and make a functioning SD card with this >>> script and the F10 Live ISO, can I image it and use it as the >>> Official Fedora 10 XO release? (By functioning I mean put in both >>> the XOs we have here and have it boot successfully to the desktop.) >>> >>> At this point we need someone to tell us what to use for the >>> Official Fedora 10 XO SD card release. >>> >> >> Yep, that's exactly right. And I'd suggest >> livecd-iso-to-disk.sh --xo --overlay-size-mb 512 --swap-size-mb 256 >> F10-i686-Live.iso /path/to/sd/card >> >> as the specific arguments to use >> >> Jeremy >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-olpc-list mailing list > Fedora-olpc-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-olpc-list From katzj at redhat.com Tue Nov 25 19:25:19 2008 From: katzj at redhat.com (Jeremy Katz) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 14:25:19 -0500 Subject: Ready for production....just need the product. In-Reply-To: <9593DD0A-24A6-47C9-9811-715B15762865@laptop.org> References: <4926EA18.6090703@webpath.net> <1227288764.736.198.camel@ignacio.lan> <4926F6E8.8090204@webpath.net> <492ACCD0.5080909@webpath.net> <8BE43E6D-C899-4732-B18E-91BDDFDF23B1@laptop.org> <492C1288.2000901@webpath.net> <1227629118.13169.74.camel@aglarond.local> <492C2BB4.8060007@webpath.net> <1227638962.13169.110.camel@aglarond.local> <492C4B9C.3030600@webpath.net> <9593DD0A-24A6-47C9-9811-715B15762865@laptop.org> Message-ID: <1227641119.13169.111.camel@aglarond.local> On Tue, 2008-11-25 at 14:22 -0500, Ed McNierney wrote: > I noticed that Jeremy updated his script today (later than the date I > mentioned to you earlier) so you should be sure to grab the newest > copy while you're waiting for F10 to download. It actually should be the same thing; I just wasn't sure if I had scp'd yesterday after fixing the escaping thing Ignacio mentioned on IRC and so wanted to make sure as that's the future-proofing for newer firmwares Jeremy From karlie_robinson at webpath.net Fri Nov 28 15:33:26 2008 From: karlie_robinson at webpath.net (Karlie Robinson) Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2008 10:33:26 -0500 Subject: FP.o/wiki/XO updates Message-ID: <49300F46.1070706@webpath.net> I've added just a few things to Ed's wonderful FAQ - Specifically: * a link to the laptop.org wiki for more info about getting a Dev Key * a link to Greg's FedoraForum XO thread * a link to Communicate in the wiki I'll try to add more as I think of things, but those of you who know of specific help topics that should be added, please don't hesitate to add them. Anything else you can think of? People will be hitting this page as early as today. ~Karlie