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Re: Reminder: Fedora XO Network Meeting :: Fri 2008-11-14 @ 9am EST (14:00 UTC)



Greetings,

Many thanks for all who attended and shared their thoughts.  See notes
below (IRC log attached).  Please feel free to amend the notes for any
discussion points I missed.

Thanks,
James

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WHAT:  Fedora XO Network Test Meeting
WHEN:  2008-11-14 @ 9AM EST (14:00 UTC)
WHERE: #fedora-qa on irc.freenode.net
WHO:   edmcnierney, qark, rvokal, sharkcz, atodorov, Zoysiamo_, _drj2,
jlaska

= Previous Items =
* rvokal - create test results matrix in Test Plan
  > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/TestPlans/Networking#Test_results

* atodorov - create a "known issues" section full of filed but
unresolved defects
  > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/TestPlans/Networking#Known_issues

* jlaska - stub in ad-hoc network creation tests into test plan
  > all done by atodorov!  jlaska will pitch in for the few remaining

= General News =
* Schedule 
  > the GA is 2008-11-25
  > the GA compose will be spun up any minute/hour/day now
    + typically an internal build, but may be available with limited
bandwith (not torrent) prior to GA.

= Test Plan =
* Where are we, what's left

  > discussed if/where any test gaps exist
    + edmcnierney - No, things look good.  Major issue is the
mesh/regular confusion in
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=469835 but that's dealt with
and that's the way it works.  No test gaps, though.

  > discussed testing /sbin/iwconfig directly versus through
system-config-network
    + consensus is to spec out s-c-network tests as they will also test
iwconfig 
    + possibly need to disable wireless support from NM while testing
s-c-network

  > jlaska asked for clarification on how the ad-hoc testing was
performed
    + requires 2 machines, one to host the network, and the XO to
connect

  > sharkcz mentioned writing USB ids for the devices tested
    + didn't have time to discuss this further ... any takers on the
list?

= Open Discussion =

* Zoysiamo_ - Anything to be done after the release on Monday?
  > jlaska: for now we'll just be sure to keep our test plan current.
We can regroup post-GA to determine direction/focus for F11.

= Action Items =

* jlaska - write the NM plain test case
* qark+jlaska - coordinate on system-config-network test case creation
* edmcnierney - looking into the txpower issues reported by _drj2 ...
will let us know what additional info is needed

* ______ - openVPN testing w/ NetworkManager - needs an owner

* ALL - please help complete the matrix
Nov 14 09:02:51      <jlaska> | rvokal: qark: ping
Nov 14 09:02:59       <qark> | jlaska: Hi
Nov 14 09:02:59      <jlaska> |  _drj2 ping
Nov 14 09:03:04      <jlaska> | Hey there folks
Nov 14 09:03:08      <jlaska> | atodorov ping
Nov 14 09:03:14      <rvokal> | hi folks
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Nov 14 09:03:44      <jlaska> | Greetings!
Nov 14 09:04:43 <edmcnierney> | Howdy
Nov 14 09:04:46       <_drj2> | ... and Salutations!
Nov 14 09:04:58      <jlaska> | edmcnierney: welcome
Nov 14 09:05:06     <sharkcz> | hi
Nov 14 09:05:09<edmcnierney> | jlaska: Aw, thanks...
Nov 14 09:05:21    <atodorov> | greetings, will be following the meeting although I'm a bit bussy atm
Nov 14 09:05:28   <Zoysiamo_> | Hello, Jeffrey Atkinson here.
Nov 14 09:05:39   <Zoysiamo_> | seconded
Nov 14 09:06:02      <jlaska> | Zoysiamo_: welcome
Nov 14 09:06:44      <jlaska> | okay, a few more minutes ... and we'll get started with a Fedora XO Network test meeting (see https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-olpc-list/2008-November/msg00054.html)
Nov 14 09:06:45             * | sharkcz is here too :-)
Nov 14 09:06:49      <jlaska> | sharkcz: hi there
Nov 14 09:08:15      <jlaska> | okay, let's get started
Nov 14 09:08:33      <jlaska> | I'll start by working the agenda noted in the email link above
Nov 14 09:08:42      <jlaska> | and we'll be referencing the Test Plan as well ... https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/TestPlans/Networking
Nov 14 09:08:57      <jlaska> | let's start with reviewing last weeks items ...
Nov 14 09:09:00      <jlaska> | = Previous Items =
Nov 14 09:09:14      <jlaska> | the big one was creation of a test matrix in the test plan
Nov 14 09:09:36      <jlaska> | rvokal and atodorov ... I believe you guys tackled that very nicely!
Nov 14 09:09:38      <rvokal> | done and getting green
Nov 14 09:09:43      <jlaska> | https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/TestPlans/Networking#Test_results
Nov 14 09:09:51      <jlaska> | that's excellent
Nov 14 09:10:04      <jlaska> | several folks have been creating test cases in the wiki (kudos atodorov!)
Nov 14 09:10:17      <jlaska> | that trend also inspired several others ... (thanks jds2001)
Nov 14 09:10:38      <jlaska> | the test cases are listed in the test plan
Nov 14 09:10:54      <jlaska> | and also categorized for easy discovery in the future under the NM Test cases category - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Category:NetworkManager_Test_Cases
Nov 14 09:12:10      <jlaska> | okay ... next
Nov 14 09:12:23      <jlaska> | atodorov whip'd up a Known issues section
Nov 14 09:12:42      <jlaska> | I think that's really helpful, I may ask if other teams would find it useful
Nov 14 09:12:55   <atodorov> | jlaska: note that 2 of the issues there need more investigation, not sure if bugs or features
Nov 14 09:13:12      <jlaska> | atodorov: thanks
Nov 14 09:13:25      <jlaska> | edmcnierney: not sure if you know who might be able to assist _drj2 on those issues ...
Nov 14 09:13:34      <jlaska> | edmcnierney: see https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/TestPlans/Networking#Known_issues
Nov 14 09:13:52<edmcnierney> | jlaska: I've been looking at them just now.
Nov 14 09:13:54      <jlaska> | he's experiencing some interseting txpower results from the wireless
Nov 14 09:14:30      <jlaska> | okay, next up ... was jlaska (me) for stubbing in some Ad-Hoc tests
Nov 14 09:14:50 <edmcnierney> | Kinda mysterious.  I haven't heard of that before, but I can root around for info.
Nov 14 09:14:55      <jlaska> | the credit here goes to atodorov as well!
Nov 14 09:15:21 <edmcnierney> | BTW, I'll add my compliments on the reporting (and the green boxes) - nice!
Nov 14 09:15:35      <jlaska> | edmcnierney: that'd be great, lemme know if we need more info or who we can connect 
Nov 14 09:15:46<edmcnierney> | jlaska: Got it - will do.
Nov 14 09:15:57      <jlaska> | atodorov: you've spec'd WEP and WPA ... do you need me to do those others you've identified?
Nov 14 09:16:55   <atodorov> | jlaska: please do, i'm having issues setting up the other side working properly 
Nov 14 09:17:27      <jlaska> | okay ... I will take that for today ... thx!
Nov 14 09:17:35      <jlaska> | I did have one questions on the Ad-hoc testing 
Nov 14 09:18:02      <jlaska> | rvokal and atodorov ... when you guys are testing the ad-hoc ... are you creating an ad-hoc on another system (that has wired+wireless) and then connecting to it from the XO?
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Nov 14 09:18:35   <atodorov> | jlaska: yes. that's what I do
Nov 14 09:18:42     <rvokal> | jlaska: yes, basically I've setup adhoc connection on F10 using NM
Nov 14 09:18:46      <jlaska> | okay ... just confirming
Nov 14 09:18:53      <jlaska> | thx
Nov 14 09:19:05      <jlaska> | okay ... any other items from last week? before we move into agenda?
Nov 14 09:20:31      <jlaska> | alright
Nov 14 09:20:37      <jlaska> | = General News =
Nov 14 09:20:37      <jlaska> | * Schedule 
Nov 14 09:21:08      <jlaska> | as everyone knows ... the Preview Release is out 
Nov 14 09:21:17      <jlaska> | and we are in Launch Phase now (see http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-10/f-10-all-tasks.html)
Nov 14 09:21:27      <jlaska> | the GA is 2008-11-25
Nov 14 09:21:55      <jlaska> | and the GA compose will be spun up any minute/hour/day now
Nov 14 09:22:00      <jlaska> | it may have already been built
Nov 14 09:22:25      <jlaska> | so ... we have arrived
Nov 14 09:23:23      <jlaska> | if folks are discovering any critical mustfix-style issues (data corruption, remote exploit, severe panics) ... we'll due our best to escalate
Nov 14 09:23:32      <jlaska> | but time is certainly against us 
Nov 14 09:23:42      <jlaska> | we'll just handle issues as they come in
Nov 14 09:24:03      <jlaska> | so get'em on the blocks=FedoraOnXO list 
Nov 14 09:24:11      <jlaska> | feel free to cc' me and I'll be happy to help make some noise
Nov 14 09:24:19      <jlaska> | any schedule questions?
Nov 14 09:24:39   <linuxguru> | will this compose be available to testers
Nov 14 09:25:09      <jlaska> | linuxguru: traditionally, the final Release Candidate (RC) is built and scrubbed internally before posting to mirrors
Nov 14 09:25:35      <jlaska> | linuxguru: it may be posted on alt.fedoraproject.org or a similar site ... but not mirrored
Nov 14 09:25:48      <jlaska> | I'd defer to wwoods and f13's knowledge here
Nov 14 09:26:00      <jlaska> | okay ... next topic 
Nov 14 09:26:10      <jlaska> | or topic(s)
Nov 14 09:26:11      <jlaska> | = Test Plan =
Nov 14 09:26:11      <jlaska> | * Where are we, what's left
Nov 14 09:26:11      <jlaska> | * Test Results
Nov 14 09:26:14      <jlaska> |  
Nov 14 09:26:24      <jlaska> | you guys have done an awesome job on the test plan
Nov 14 09:26:33      <jlaska> | I'm really impressed
Nov 14 09:26:59 <edmcnierney> | Very nice indeed.
Nov 14 09:27:18      <jlaska> | I'm racking my brain for what's missing on the plan
Nov 14 09:27:26      <jlaska> | I think this covers the hilights on the XO very nicely
Nov 14 09:27:49      <jlaska> | edmcnierney: qark: atodorov: rvokal: _drj2: sharkcz: any thoughts/comments on missing items or wishlist stuff for the test plan?
Nov 14 09:27:55      <jlaska> | what are our gaps?
Nov 14 09:28:18        <qark> | do we need to test low level stuff? (if NM seems covered pretty well)
Nov 14 09:28:24   <atodorov> | jlaska: I see OpenVPN not tested 
Nov 14 09:28:50     <sharkcz> | write USB ids to the tested devices
Nov 14 09:29:08    <atodorov> | qark: what low level stuff are you referring to?
Nov 14 09:29:13 <edmcnierney> | I'm only looking at this for the first time, but it looks quite good.  Filling in the few blanks is good.
Nov 14 09:29:18        <qark> | adelton: iwconfig
Nov 14 09:29:24        <qark> | atodorov: ^^^^
Nov 14 09:29:25      <jlaska> | atodorov: good point ... I confess I've *never* done openvpn 
Nov 14 09:29:47      <jlaska> | qark: I'll complete the QA/TestCases/NM_Wifi test
Nov 14 09:29:55      <jlaska> | qark: but perhaps we can feed off eachother for those remaining iwconfig tests?
Nov 14 09:30:00   <atodorov> | jlaska: on the other hand openvpn will be the same s on any other hardware
Nov 14 09:30:16      <jlaska> | qark: QA/TestCases/NetworkingWifiWEP A/TestCases/NetworkingWifiWPA  QA/TestCases/NetworkingWifiPlain ?
Nov 14 09:30:37       <qark> | jlaska: right ... I can help you with some
Nov 14 09:30:45      <jlaska> | atodorov: definitely, there is a component of this that's not specific to the XO ... but I don't worry that we've gone too far there ... what's your take?
Nov 14 09:30:57      <jlaska> | qark: leave some for me ... I haven't done one yet for this plan :(
Nov 14 09:31:20       <qark> | jlaska: OK, one is yours :)
Nov 14 09:31:25      <jlaska> | ha!
Nov 14 09:31:45      <jlaska> | I"ll have to dust off my iwconfig skills ... these GUI apps make me rusty there :D
Nov 14 09:31:45   <atodorov> | jlaska: i was just pointing that out. I wish we could test more XO specific stuff but I can't think of more things to add to the test plan
Nov 14 09:31:54      <jlaska> | atodorov: yeah agreed
Nov 14 09:32:13      <jlaska> | edmcnierney: you've got the scoop on the XO ... any XO-specific networking gaps that you can see?
Nov 14 09:32:46      <jlaska> | atodorov: did you file a bug for that low-power networking mode ... or was that really just the mesh networking stuff?
Nov 14 09:33:20      <jlaska> | atodorov: perhaps we should get some red in that table ... e.g. make it clearer that NM+Mesh doesn't work
Nov 14 09:33:26   <atodorov> | jlaska: no bug filed, is this a bug? I htink it might have something to do with internal power management 
Nov 14 09:33:39      <jlaska> | atodorov: I confess ... I'm not sure  :(
Nov 14 09:34:03      <jlaska> | system-config-network 
Nov 14 09:34:09       <_drj2> | iwconfig's easy, but do things in multiple steps.  in theory, you can set essid, txpower, crypto and everything else on the same line
Nov 14 09:34:17       <_drj2> | dont.  you'll give yourself a headache
Nov 14 09:34:28      <jlaska> | _drj2: so don't do it in 1 command ... list several?
Nov 14 09:34:46<edmcnierney> | jlaska: No, things look good.  Major issue is the mesh/regular confusion in https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=469835 but that's dealt with and that's the way it works.  No test gaps, though.
Nov 14 09:35:05      <jlaska> | edmcnierney: gotcha, thanks for your input
Nov 14 09:35:05      <_drj2> | jlaska: if you use multiple commands, you can verify each actually worked.  if you do them all at once, you'll find that some worked and some didnt
Nov 14 09:35:15      <_drj2> | jlaska: call it a feature :)
Nov 14 09:35:23      <jlaska> | _drj2: we should probably disable NM wireless when performing those tests?
Nov 14 09:35:35      <_drj2> | jlaska: no need.
Nov 14 09:35:45      <jlaska> | don't know if NM will get in the way or not
Nov 14 09:35:47      <_drj2> | jlaska: NM itself doesnt do anything until told to
Nov 14 09:36:36       <_drj2> | NM will notice when you changed essid from iwconfig for example
Nov 14 09:36:43      <jlaska> | atodorov: for those iwconfig tests you've outlined ... should those just use iwconfig and cmdline ... or system-cnofig-network?
Nov 14 09:36:53      <jlaska> | _drj2: yeah, that's what I was worried about
Nov 14 09:37:30   <atodorov> | jlaska: I was using only cmdline tools but we can probably do s-c-network as well
Nov 14 09:37:41    <atodorov> | I don't expect any difference there though 
Nov 14 09:37:57      <jlaska> | I wonder which we should focus on
Nov 14 09:38:05      <jlaska> | the GUI stuff vs cmdline
Nov 14 09:38:12    <atodorov> | my take is: the one people are using most
Nov 14 09:38:23      <jlaska> | yeah, so we should be good there w/ NM
Nov 14 09:38:26    <atodorov> | and that seems to be NM because it's so easy 
Nov 14 09:38:34      <jlaska> | definitely
Nov 14 09:39:38      <jlaska> | what's the conclusion RE: testing iwconfig directly  vs  s-c-network
Nov 14 09:40:25       <_drj2> | after you edit s-c-network, how do you have things reread it?
Nov 14 09:40:41       <_drj2> | just 'service network restart' or is there something less drastic?
Nov 14 09:41:00      <jlaska> | my understanding was what you said ... /etc/init.d/network
Nov 14 09:41:03      <rvokal> | you can setup static IPs .. 
Nov 14 09:41:05    <atodorov> | I think that's the only option. IIRC s-c-network has a restart button 
Nov 14 09:41:39      <_drj2> | jlaska: s-c-network might be easier then.  the syntax is cake to reproduce elsewhere
Nov 14 09:42:07             * | jlaska feels that the iwconfig stuff would be tested by using s-c-network anyway
Nov 14 09:42:12      <jlaska> | s/feels/thinks/
Nov 14 09:42:48       <_drj2> | s-c-network uses iwconfig
Nov 14 09:42:56      <jlaska> | yeah, exactly
Nov 14 09:43:40      <jlaska> | okay, unless any objections, qark we should consider writing our tests w/ s-c-network in mind
Nov 14 09:44:00       <_drj2> | wfm
Nov 14 09:44:00       <qark> | jlaska: ok, got it
Nov 14 09:44:03      <jlaska> | great
Nov 14 09:44:10      <jlaska> | okay ... 
Nov 14 09:44:12      <jlaska> | = Open Discussion =
Nov 14 09:44:27      <jlaska> | any takers?  thoughts/comments/concerns/ideas ...
Nov 14 09:44:33      <jlaska> | or jokes :)
Nov 14 09:44:41      <jlaska> | atodorov: knows I like the jokes part!
Nov 14 09:45:28       <_drj2> | How many Aggie programmers does it take to change a light bulb?
Nov 14 09:45:40   <Zoysiamo_> | Anything to be done after the release on Monday?
Nov 14 09:45:44       <_drj2> | (Aggies = students that went to tamu.edu ... where i went :)
Nov 14 09:46:01             * | jlaska prepares snare drum for punchline
Nov 14 09:46:14       <_drj2> | "They can't, it's a hardware problem."
Nov 14 09:46:21      <jlaska> | Zoysiamo_: my suggestion would be to continue doing our best to keep the test plan current
Nov 14 09:46:29      <jlaska> | _drj2: cute! :)
Nov 14 09:46:42           --- | stickster is now known as stickster_afk
Nov 14 09:46:44   <Zoysiamo_> | OK...
Nov 14 09:47:00   <Zoysiamo_> | ...continue resolving blocks?
Nov 14 09:47:01      <jlaska> | Zoysiamo_: if there's a gap in the test matrix (https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/TestPlans/Networking#Test_results) and you have a few minutes ... please feel free to add your $0.02
Nov 14 09:47:07      <_drj2> | jlaska: sadly, they're mostly rehash of blond/polish/whatever jokes
Nov 14 09:47:18   <Zoysiamo_> | I'll look into it.
Nov 14 09:47:30   <Zoysiamo_> | Anyone going to be at SugarCamp?
Nov 14 09:47:40   <Zoysiamo_> | We could set up a demonstration...
Nov 14 09:48:01      <jlaska> | that's a great idea ... sorry, I won't be in attendance
Nov 14 09:48:02   <Zoysiamo_> | I know gregdek and marco gritti are going to be in attendance
Nov 14 09:49:30      <jlaska> | okay ... last call for open discussion and we'll close things out for today
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Nov 14 09:50:50      <jlaska> | Zoysiamo_: once the release is out, we can regroup to see where the Fedora on XO project is headed for F11 
Nov 14 09:51:21   <Zoysiamo_> | alright
Nov 14 09:51:28      <jlaska> | okay ... going once
Nov 14 09:51:29   <Zoysiamo_> | I'll keep my eyes open.
Nov 14 09:51:31      <jlaska> | twice
Nov 14 09:51:34   <Zoysiamo_> | Thanks
Nov 14 09:51:37      <jlaska> | sold!
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Nov 14 09:51:56      <jlaska> | edmcnierney, qark, rvokal, sharkcz, atodorov, Zoysiamo_, _drj2: thanks everyone, excellent work this past week on the test plan!!!
Nov 14 09:52:07       <qark> | jlaska: you are welcome :)
Nov 14 09:52:11      <rvokal> | thank you too!
Nov 14 09:52:17      <jlaska> | I'll follow-up with minutes and actions 
Nov 14 09:52:21      <jlaska> | qark: save a test case for me!! :)
Nov 14 09:52:28   <Zoysiamo_> | Congrats everyone
Nov 14 09:52:32       <qark> | jlaska: will do :)
Nov 14 09:52:34 <edmcnierney> | Thanks, everyone - very nice job.
Nov 14 09:52:37   <Zoysiamo_> | looking forward.

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