Greetings, Many thanks for all who attended and shared their thoughts. See notes below (IRC log attached). Please feel free to amend the notes for any discussion points I missed. Thanks, James ============================================== WHAT: Fedora XO Network Test Meeting WHEN: 2008-11-14 @ 9AM EST (14:00 UTC) WHERE: #fedora-qa on irc.freenode.net WHO: edmcnierney, qark, rvokal, sharkcz, atodorov, Zoysiamo_, _drj2, jlaska = Previous Items = * rvokal - create test results matrix in Test Plan > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/TestPlans/Networking#Test_results * atodorov - create a "known issues" section full of filed but unresolved defects > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/TestPlans/Networking#Known_issues * jlaska - stub in ad-hoc network creation tests into test plan > all done by atodorov! jlaska will pitch in for the few remaining = General News = * Schedule > the GA is 2008-11-25 > the GA compose will be spun up any minute/hour/day now + typically an internal build, but may be available with limited bandwith (not torrent) prior to GA. = Test Plan = * Where are we, what's left > discussed if/where any test gaps exist + edmcnierney - No, things look good. Major issue is the mesh/regular confusion in https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=469835 but that's dealt with and that's the way it works. No test gaps, though. > discussed testing /sbin/iwconfig directly versus through system-config-network + consensus is to spec out s-c-network tests as they will also test iwconfig + possibly need to disable wireless support from NM while testing s-c-network > jlaska asked for clarification on how the ad-hoc testing was performed + requires 2 machines, one to host the network, and the XO to connect > sharkcz mentioned writing USB ids for the devices tested + didn't have time to discuss this further ... any takers on the list? = Open Discussion = * Zoysiamo_ - Anything to be done after the release on Monday? > jlaska: for now we'll just be sure to keep our test plan current. We can regroup post-GA to determine direction/focus for F11. = Action Items = * jlaska - write the NM plain test case * qark+jlaska - coordinate on system-config-network test case creation * edmcnierney - looking into the txpower issues reported by _drj2 ... will let us know what additional info is needed * ______ - openVPN testing w/ NetworkManager - needs an owner * ALL - please help complete the matrix
Nov 14 09:02:51 <jlaska> | rvokal: qark: ping Nov 14 09:02:59 <qark> | jlaska: Hi Nov 14 09:02:59 <jlaska> | _drj2 ping Nov 14 09:03:04 <jlaska> | Hey there folks Nov 14 09:03:08 <jlaska> | atodorov ping Nov 14 09:03:14 <rvokal> | hi folks Nov 14 09:03:14 <-- | StevenOdb has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) Nov 14 09:03:27 --> | StevenOdb [n=annika jig ulyssis student kuleuven be] has joined #fedora-qa Nov 14 09:03:44 <jlaska> | Greetings! Nov 14 09:04:43 <edmcnierney> | Howdy Nov 14 09:04:46 <_drj2> | ... and Salutations! Nov 14 09:04:58 <jlaska> | edmcnierney: welcome Nov 14 09:05:06 <sharkcz> | hi Nov 14 09:05:09<edmcnierney> | jlaska: Aw, thanks... Nov 14 09:05:21 <atodorov> | greetings, will be following the meeting although I'm a bit bussy atm Nov 14 09:05:28 <Zoysiamo_> | Hello, Jeffrey Atkinson here. Nov 14 09:05:39 <Zoysiamo_> | seconded Nov 14 09:06:02 <jlaska> | Zoysiamo_: welcome Nov 14 09:06:44 <jlaska> | okay, a few more minutes ... and we'll get started with a Fedora XO Network test meeting (see https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-olpc-list/2008-November/msg00054.html) Nov 14 09:06:45 * | sharkcz is here too :-) Nov 14 09:06:49 <jlaska> | sharkcz: hi there Nov 14 09:08:15 <jlaska> | okay, let's get started Nov 14 09:08:33 <jlaska> | I'll start by working the agenda noted in the email link above Nov 14 09:08:42 <jlaska> | and we'll be referencing the Test Plan as well ... https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/TestPlans/Networking Nov 14 09:08:57 <jlaska> | let's start with reviewing last weeks items ... Nov 14 09:09:00 <jlaska> | = Previous Items = Nov 14 09:09:14 <jlaska> | the big one was creation of a test matrix in the test plan Nov 14 09:09:36 <jlaska> | rvokal and atodorov ... I believe you guys tackled that very nicely! Nov 14 09:09:38 <rvokal> | done and getting green Nov 14 09:09:43 <jlaska> | https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/TestPlans/Networking#Test_results Nov 14 09:09:51 <jlaska> | that's excellent Nov 14 09:10:04 <jlaska> | several folks have been creating test cases in the wiki (kudos atodorov!) Nov 14 09:10:17 <jlaska> | that trend also inspired several others ... (thanks jds2001) Nov 14 09:10:38 <jlaska> | the test cases are listed in the test plan Nov 14 09:10:54 <jlaska> | and also categorized for easy discovery in the future under the NM Test cases category - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Category:NetworkManager_Test_Cases Nov 14 09:12:10 <jlaska> | okay ... next Nov 14 09:12:23 <jlaska> | atodorov whip'd up a Known issues section Nov 14 09:12:42 <jlaska> | I think that's really helpful, I may ask if other teams would find it useful Nov 14 09:12:55 <atodorov> | jlaska: note that 2 of the issues there need more investigation, not sure if bugs or features Nov 14 09:13:12 <jlaska> | atodorov: thanks Nov 14 09:13:25 <jlaska> | edmcnierney: not sure if you know who might be able to assist _drj2 on those issues ... Nov 14 09:13:34 <jlaska> | edmcnierney: see https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/TestPlans/Networking#Known_issues Nov 14 09:13:52<edmcnierney> | jlaska: I've been looking at them just now. Nov 14 09:13:54 <jlaska> | he's experiencing some interseting txpower results from the wireless Nov 14 09:14:30 <jlaska> | okay, next up ... was jlaska (me) for stubbing in some Ad-Hoc tests Nov 14 09:14:50 <edmcnierney> | Kinda mysterious. I haven't heard of that before, but I can root around for info. Nov 14 09:14:55 <jlaska> | the credit here goes to atodorov as well! Nov 14 09:15:21 <edmcnierney> | BTW, I'll add my compliments on the reporting (and the green boxes) - nice! Nov 14 09:15:35 <jlaska> | edmcnierney: that'd be great, lemme know if we need more info or who we can connect Nov 14 09:15:46<edmcnierney> | jlaska: Got it - will do. Nov 14 09:15:57 <jlaska> | atodorov: you've spec'd WEP and WPA ... do you need me to do those others you've identified? Nov 14 09:16:55 <atodorov> | jlaska: please do, i'm having issues setting up the other side working properly Nov 14 09:17:27 <jlaska> | okay ... I will take that for today ... thx! Nov 14 09:17:35 <jlaska> | I did have one questions on the Ad-hoc testing Nov 14 09:18:02 <jlaska> | rvokal and atodorov ... when you guys are testing the ad-hoc ... are you creating an ad-hoc on another system (that has wired+wireless) and then connecting to it from the XO? Nov 14 09:18:07 --> | dajero [n=dajero 229-198 bbned dsl internl net] has joined #fedora-qa Nov 14 09:18:35 <atodorov> | jlaska: yes. that's what I do Nov 14 09:18:42 <rvokal> | jlaska: yes, basically I've setup adhoc connection on F10 using NM Nov 14 09:18:46 <jlaska> | okay ... just confirming Nov 14 09:18:53 <jlaska> | thx Nov 14 09:19:05 <jlaska> | okay ... any other items from last week? before we move into agenda? Nov 14 09:20:31 <jlaska> | alright Nov 14 09:20:37 <jlaska> | = General News = Nov 14 09:20:37 <jlaska> | * Schedule Nov 14 09:21:08 <jlaska> | as everyone knows ... the Preview Release is out Nov 14 09:21:17 <jlaska> | and we are in Launch Phase now (see http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-10/f-10-all-tasks.html) Nov 14 09:21:27 <jlaska> | the GA is 2008-11-25 Nov 14 09:21:55 <jlaska> | and the GA compose will be spun up any minute/hour/day now Nov 14 09:22:00 <jlaska> | it may have already been built Nov 14 09:22:25 <jlaska> | so ... we have arrived Nov 14 09:23:23 <jlaska> | if folks are discovering any critical mustfix-style issues (data corruption, remote exploit, severe panics) ... we'll due our best to escalate Nov 14 09:23:32 <jlaska> | but time is certainly against us Nov 14 09:23:42 <jlaska> | we'll just handle issues as they come in Nov 14 09:24:03 <jlaska> | so get'em on the blocks=FedoraOnXO list Nov 14 09:24:11 <jlaska> | feel free to cc' me and I'll be happy to help make some noise Nov 14 09:24:19 <jlaska> | any schedule questions? Nov 14 09:24:39 <linuxguru> | will this compose be available to testers Nov 14 09:25:09 <jlaska> | linuxguru: traditionally, the final Release Candidate (RC) is built and scrubbed internally before posting to mirrors Nov 14 09:25:35 <jlaska> | linuxguru: it may be posted on alt.fedoraproject.org or a similar site ... but not mirrored Nov 14 09:25:48 <jlaska> | I'd defer to wwoods and f13's knowledge here Nov 14 09:26:00 <jlaska> | okay ... next topic Nov 14 09:26:10 <jlaska> | or topic(s) Nov 14 09:26:11 <jlaska> | = Test Plan = Nov 14 09:26:11 <jlaska> | * Where are we, what's left Nov 14 09:26:11 <jlaska> | * Test Results Nov 14 09:26:14 <jlaska> | Nov 14 09:26:24 <jlaska> | you guys have done an awesome job on the test plan Nov 14 09:26:33 <jlaska> | I'm really impressed Nov 14 09:26:59 <edmcnierney> | Very nice indeed. Nov 14 09:27:18 <jlaska> | I'm racking my brain for what's missing on the plan Nov 14 09:27:26 <jlaska> | I think this covers the hilights on the XO very nicely Nov 14 09:27:49 <jlaska> | edmcnierney: qark: atodorov: rvokal: _drj2: sharkcz: any thoughts/comments on missing items or wishlist stuff for the test plan? Nov 14 09:27:55 <jlaska> | what are our gaps? Nov 14 09:28:18 <qark> | do we need to test low level stuff? (if NM seems covered pretty well) Nov 14 09:28:24 <atodorov> | jlaska: I see OpenVPN not tested Nov 14 09:28:50 <sharkcz> | write USB ids to the tested devices Nov 14 09:29:08 <atodorov> | qark: what low level stuff are you referring to? Nov 14 09:29:13 <edmcnierney> | I'm only looking at this for the first time, but it looks quite good. Filling in the few blanks is good. Nov 14 09:29:18 <qark> | adelton: iwconfig Nov 14 09:29:24 <qark> | atodorov: ^^^^ Nov 14 09:29:25 <jlaska> | atodorov: good point ... I confess I've *never* done openvpn Nov 14 09:29:47 <jlaska> | qark: I'll complete the QA/TestCases/NM_Wifi test Nov 14 09:29:55 <jlaska> | qark: but perhaps we can feed off eachother for those remaining iwconfig tests? Nov 14 09:30:00 <atodorov> | jlaska: on the other hand openvpn will be the same s on any other hardware Nov 14 09:30:16 <jlaska> | qark: QA/TestCases/NetworkingWifiWEP A/TestCases/NetworkingWifiWPA QA/TestCases/NetworkingWifiPlain ? Nov 14 09:30:37 <qark> | jlaska: right ... I can help you with some Nov 14 09:30:45 <jlaska> | atodorov: definitely, there is a component of this that's not specific to the XO ... but I don't worry that we've gone too far there ... what's your take? Nov 14 09:30:57 <jlaska> | qark: leave some for me ... I haven't done one yet for this plan :( Nov 14 09:31:20 <qark> | jlaska: OK, one is yours :) Nov 14 09:31:25 <jlaska> | ha! Nov 14 09:31:45 <jlaska> | I"ll have to dust off my iwconfig skills ... these GUI apps make me rusty there :D Nov 14 09:31:45 <atodorov> | jlaska: i was just pointing that out. I wish we could test more XO specific stuff but I can't think of more things to add to the test plan Nov 14 09:31:54 <jlaska> | atodorov: yeah agreed Nov 14 09:32:13 <jlaska> | edmcnierney: you've got the scoop on the XO ... any XO-specific networking gaps that you can see? Nov 14 09:32:46 <jlaska> | atodorov: did you file a bug for that low-power networking mode ... or was that really just the mesh networking stuff? Nov 14 09:33:20 <jlaska> | atodorov: perhaps we should get some red in that table ... e.g. make it clearer that NM+Mesh doesn't work Nov 14 09:33:26 <atodorov> | jlaska: no bug filed, is this a bug? I htink it might have something to do with internal power management Nov 14 09:33:39 <jlaska> | atodorov: I confess ... I'm not sure :( Nov 14 09:34:03 <jlaska> | system-config-network Nov 14 09:34:09 <_drj2> | iwconfig's easy, but do things in multiple steps. in theory, you can set essid, txpower, crypto and everything else on the same line Nov 14 09:34:17 <_drj2> | dont. you'll give yourself a headache Nov 14 09:34:28 <jlaska> | _drj2: so don't do it in 1 command ... list several? Nov 14 09:34:46<edmcnierney> | jlaska: No, things look good. Major issue is the mesh/regular confusion in https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=469835 but that's dealt with and that's the way it works. No test gaps, though. Nov 14 09:35:05 <jlaska> | edmcnierney: gotcha, thanks for your input Nov 14 09:35:05 <_drj2> | jlaska: if you use multiple commands, you can verify each actually worked. if you do them all at once, you'll find that some worked and some didnt Nov 14 09:35:15 <_drj2> | jlaska: call it a feature :) Nov 14 09:35:23 <jlaska> | _drj2: we should probably disable NM wireless when performing those tests? Nov 14 09:35:35 <_drj2> | jlaska: no need. Nov 14 09:35:45 <jlaska> | don't know if NM will get in the way or not Nov 14 09:35:47 <_drj2> | jlaska: NM itself doesnt do anything until told to Nov 14 09:36:36 <_drj2> | NM will notice when you changed essid from iwconfig for example Nov 14 09:36:43 <jlaska> | atodorov: for those iwconfig tests you've outlined ... should those just use iwconfig and cmdline ... or system-cnofig-network? Nov 14 09:36:53 <jlaska> | _drj2: yeah, that's what I was worried about Nov 14 09:37:30 <atodorov> | jlaska: I was using only cmdline tools but we can probably do s-c-network as well Nov 14 09:37:41 <atodorov> | I don't expect any difference there though Nov 14 09:37:57 <jlaska> | I wonder which we should focus on Nov 14 09:38:05 <jlaska> | the GUI stuff vs cmdline Nov 14 09:38:12 <atodorov> | my take is: the one people are using most Nov 14 09:38:23 <jlaska> | yeah, so we should be good there w/ NM Nov 14 09:38:26 <atodorov> | and that seems to be NM because it's so easy Nov 14 09:38:34 <jlaska> | definitely Nov 14 09:39:38 <jlaska> | what's the conclusion RE: testing iwconfig directly vs s-c-network Nov 14 09:40:25 <_drj2> | after you edit s-c-network, how do you have things reread it? Nov 14 09:40:41 <_drj2> | just 'service network restart' or is there something less drastic? Nov 14 09:41:00 <jlaska> | my understanding was what you said ... /etc/init.d/network Nov 14 09:41:03 <rvokal> | you can setup static IPs .. Nov 14 09:41:05 <atodorov> | I think that's the only option. IIRC s-c-network has a restart button Nov 14 09:41:39 <_drj2> | jlaska: s-c-network might be easier then. the syntax is cake to reproduce elsewhere Nov 14 09:42:07 * | jlaska feels that the iwconfig stuff would be tested by using s-c-network anyway Nov 14 09:42:12 <jlaska> | s/feels/thinks/ Nov 14 09:42:48 <_drj2> | s-c-network uses iwconfig Nov 14 09:42:56 <jlaska> | yeah, exactly Nov 14 09:43:40 <jlaska> | okay, unless any objections, qark we should consider writing our tests w/ s-c-network in mind Nov 14 09:44:00 <_drj2> | wfm Nov 14 09:44:00 <qark> | jlaska: ok, got it Nov 14 09:44:03 <jlaska> | great Nov 14 09:44:10 <jlaska> | okay ... Nov 14 09:44:12 <jlaska> | = Open Discussion = Nov 14 09:44:27 <jlaska> | any takers? thoughts/comments/concerns/ideas ... Nov 14 09:44:33 <jlaska> | or jokes :) Nov 14 09:44:41 <jlaska> | atodorov: knows I like the jokes part! Nov 14 09:45:28 <_drj2> | How many Aggie programmers does it take to change a light bulb? Nov 14 09:45:40 <Zoysiamo_> | Anything to be done after the release on Monday? Nov 14 09:45:44 <_drj2> | (Aggies = students that went to tamu.edu ... where i went :) Nov 14 09:46:01 * | jlaska prepares snare drum for punchline Nov 14 09:46:14 <_drj2> | "They can't, it's a hardware problem." Nov 14 09:46:21 <jlaska> | Zoysiamo_: my suggestion would be to continue doing our best to keep the test plan current Nov 14 09:46:29 <jlaska> | _drj2: cute! :) Nov 14 09:46:42 --- | stickster is now known as stickster_afk Nov 14 09:46:44 <Zoysiamo_> | OK... Nov 14 09:47:00 <Zoysiamo_> | ...continue resolving blocks? Nov 14 09:47:01 <jlaska> | Zoysiamo_: if there's a gap in the test matrix (https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/TestPlans/Networking#Test_results) and you have a few minutes ... please feel free to add your $0.02 Nov 14 09:47:07 <_drj2> | jlaska: sadly, they're mostly rehash of blond/polish/whatever jokes Nov 14 09:47:18 <Zoysiamo_> | I'll look into it. Nov 14 09:47:30 <Zoysiamo_> | Anyone going to be at SugarCamp? Nov 14 09:47:40 <Zoysiamo_> | We could set up a demonstration... Nov 14 09:48:01 <jlaska> | that's a great idea ... sorry, I won't be in attendance Nov 14 09:48:02 <Zoysiamo_> | I know gregdek and marco gritti are going to be in attendance Nov 14 09:49:30 <jlaska> | okay ... last call for open discussion and we'll close things out for today Nov 14 09:50:27 --> | rmaureira [n=rmaureir 190 196 13 124] has joined #fedora-qa Nov 14 09:50:50 <jlaska> | Zoysiamo_: once the release is out, we can regroup to see where the Fedora on XO project is headed for F11 Nov 14 09:51:21 <Zoysiamo_> | alright Nov 14 09:51:28 <jlaska> | okay ... going once Nov 14 09:51:29 <Zoysiamo_> | I'll keep my eyes open. Nov 14 09:51:31 <jlaska> | twice Nov 14 09:51:34 <Zoysiamo_> | Thanks Nov 14 09:51:37 <jlaska> | sold! Nov 14 09:51:44 --> | bo09 [n=bo09 nat/redhat/x-03f501a0b83ff68f] has joined #fedora-qa Nov 14 09:51:56 <jlaska> | edmcnierney, qark, rvokal, sharkcz, atodorov, Zoysiamo_, _drj2: thanks everyone, excellent work this past week on the test plan!!! Nov 14 09:52:07 <qark> | jlaska: you are welcome :) Nov 14 09:52:11 <rvokal> | thank you too! Nov 14 09:52:17 <jlaska> | I'll follow-up with minutes and actions Nov 14 09:52:21 <jlaska> | qark: save a test case for me!! :) Nov 14 09:52:28 <Zoysiamo_> | Congrats everyone Nov 14 09:52:32 <qark> | jlaska: will do :) Nov 14 09:52:34 <edmcnierney> | Thanks, everyone - very nice job. Nov 14 09:52:37 <Zoysiamo_> | looking forward.
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