From sebastian at when.com Sun Feb 1 18:34:08 2009 From: sebastian at when.com (Sebastian Dziallas) Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2009 19:34:08 +0100 Subject: How to move on? Spins, SoaS, and more! Message-ID: <4985EB20.20405@when.com> NOTE: This e-mail has been cross-posted to the EDU & OLPC SIG as well as the Sugar Devel mailing list. When recently doing work with the goal to slim down a few images, some questions occurred to me and I'm wondering, whether it wouldn't be worth discussing them. So what educational solutions do we currently have to offer? * Sugar on a Stick [1] - well, this is mainly self-explaining, right? As far as I can see now, it's going to be a Fedora based image including Sugar (among with more activities). * Fedora Sugar Spin [2] - it's mainly the same concept as SoaS, but can only include stuff which is directly in Fedora. On the other hand, it uses the Fedora trademark. * Fedora Education Spin [3] - includes a XFCE desktop environment along with the KDE Education package and other related applications. So. What's obvious here? SoaS and the Sugar Spin are probably targeting the same user group and seem to be (apart from some modifications) pretty equal to each other. The question I'm asking is: Do we still need a Fedora Sugar Spin? Wouldn't it be worth ceasing it for the F11 release, but to continue to contribute to SoaS? But regarding the Education Spin: Couldn't we push Sugar in there? The KDE project is doing a great job with their applications regarding education, and they continue to do so. Recently, Greg made me aware of this project [4], where they try to use Plasma for such purposes. Now. Wouldn't it be an idea, to work again on the Education Spin and restructure it a bit, include Sugar, talk about the advantages of using KDE, and so on? I want to ask for your opinion to make sure that this isn't happening too early. But that way, we could provide a great educational solution, based on Fedora, helping both the Sugar and KDE Edu project. But for this, we need a kind of collaboration, between those projects (e.g. Fedora / Sugar or Fedora / KDE Edu), so that we can provide a well designed, usable solution. Or, do we just continue pushing the Sugar and the Education Spin as they are for release F11 (the stuff above are just some ideas, which could also be revisited later). We've still some time until feature freeze, but I would like to have a decision on this as soon as possible. Thanks! --Sebastian [1] http://sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick [2] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Sugar_Spin [3] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Education_Spin [4] http://techbase.kde.org/Projects/Plasma/Education From pbrobinson at gmail.com Sun Feb 1 18:40:59 2009 From: pbrobinson at gmail.com (Peter Robinson) Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2009 19:40:59 +0100 Subject: How to move on? Spins, SoaS, and more! In-Reply-To: <4985EB20.20405@when.com> References: <4985EB20.20405@when.com> Message-ID: <5256d0b0902011040l6bd9342aj3915a3602e0e5a26@mail.gmail.com> > So what educational solutions do we currently have to offer? > > * Sugar on a Stick [1] - well, this is mainly self-explaining, right? As far > as I can see now, it's going to be a Fedora based image including Sugar > (among with more activities). > > * Fedora Sugar Spin [2] - it's mainly the same concept as SoaS, but can only > include stuff which is directly in Fedora. On the other hand, it uses the > Fedora trademark. > > So. What's obvious here? SoaS and the Sugar Spin are probably targeting the > same user group and seem to be (apart from some modifications) pretty equal > to each other. I would think soas would be the Sugar Fedora spin as the aim is to get everything currently shipped in the OLPC releases upstream in Fedora in time for Fedora 11 so that Fedora and the OLPC OS are one and the same. Peter From pbrobinson at gmail.com Sun Feb 1 19:10:17 2009 From: pbrobinson at gmail.com (Peter Robinson) Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2009 20:10:17 +0100 Subject: How to move on? Spins, SoaS, and more! In-Reply-To: References: <4985EB20.20405@when.com> <5256d0b0902011040l6bd9342aj3915a3602e0e5a26@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5256d0b0902011110v12624e67v9b1b0477abd5545d@mail.gmail.com> >>> * Sugar on a Stick [1] - well, this is mainly self-explaining, right? As far >>> as I can see now, it's going to be a Fedora based image including Sugar >>> (among with more activities). >>> >>> * Fedora Sugar Spin [2] - it's mainly the same concept as SoaS, but can only >>> include stuff which is directly in Fedora. On the other hand, it uses the >>> Fedora trademark. >>> >>> So. What's obvious here? SoaS and the Sugar Spin are probably targeting the >>> same user group and seem to be (apart from some modifications) pretty equal >>> to each other. >> >> I would think soas would be the Sugar Fedora spin as the aim is to get >> everything currently shipped in the OLPC releases upstream in Fedora >> in time for Fedora 11 so that Fedora and the OLPC OS are one and the >> same. > > I tend to think both OLPC and SoaS will want to apply at least some > small customizations (disk space constraints alone is a reason that > will cause divergences). What sort of disk constraints? If its due to dependencies there should be bugs for this. I know of some of the issues but the desire to be able to run a alternate "standard" desktop as well sort of makes a lot of those redundant. Peter From sebastian at when.com Mon Feb 2 13:07:27 2009 From: sebastian at when.com (Sebastian Dziallas) Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2009 14:07:27 +0100 Subject: How to move on? Spins, SoaS, and more! In-Reply-To: References: <4985EB20.20405@when.com> <5256d0b0902011040l6bd9342aj3915a3602e0e5a26@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4986F00F.1090100@when.com> Marco Pesenti Gritti wrote: > On Sun, Feb 1, 2009 at 7:40 PM, Peter Robinson wrote: >>> So what educational solutions do we currently have to offer? >>> >>> * Sugar on a Stick [1] - well, this is mainly self-explaining, right? As far >>> as I can see now, it's going to be a Fedora based image including Sugar >>> (among with more activities). >>> >>> * Fedora Sugar Spin [2] - it's mainly the same concept as SoaS, but can only >>> include stuff which is directly in Fedora. On the other hand, it uses the >>> Fedora trademark. >>> >>> So. What's obvious here? SoaS and the Sugar Spin are probably targeting the >>> same user group and seem to be (apart from some modifications) pretty equal >>> to each other. >> I would think soas would be the Sugar Fedora spin as the aim is to get >> everything currently shipped in the OLPC releases upstream in Fedora >> in time for Fedora 11 so that Fedora and the OLPC OS are one and the >> same. > > I tend to think both OLPC and SoaS will want to apply at least some > small customizations (disk space constraints alone is a reason that > will cause divergences). My suggestion is to keep developing the > Fedora spin as *the* reference kickstart. Deployment > communities/organizations will tweak it slightly (or import it) and do > builds following their release cycle. > > Marco Yeah, I tend to agree. If you just have a look at the current soas kickstart file, it includes activities, which are not yet in Fedora. That's possible, because it isn't using the Fedora tradebark. But there might be other customizations; true. Well, there should be probably a reference kickstart somewhere, but I'm wondering whether we still need to push out an iso on behalf of Fedora, or if we can just promote SoaS, too. Adding SoaS to the liveusb-creator instead of the Fedora Sugar Spin should be (hopefully) no big deal. It would have the advantage that SoaS doesn't need to follow Fedora's release cycle and we wouldn't promote outdated stuff that way, because SoaS can be re-released when needed. I'm just feared of confusing users with having both solutions around, and I currently see more advantages for SoaS. :) Though, It could be a possibility to continue to maintain the fedora-livecd-sugar.ks in the spin-kickstarts GIT repo - I never intended to stop completely the development, I was just asking how to combine forces ;). We'd need to check, whether Spin SIG is okay with that... But if people still want an 'Fedora Sugar Spin', I'll continue to push it through the process and try to get it out for F11. --Sebastian From sebastian at when.com Mon Feb 2 13:18:51 2009 From: sebastian at when.com (Sebastian Dziallas) Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2009 14:18:51 +0100 Subject: [Sugar-devel] How to move on? Spins, SoaS, and more! In-Reply-To: References: <4985EB20.20405@when.com> Message-ID: <4986F2BB.4090509@when.com> Marco Pesenti Gritti wrote: > On Sun, Feb 1, 2009 at 7:34 PM, Sebastian Dziallas wrote: >> But regarding the Education Spin: Couldn't we push Sugar in there? >> >> The KDE project is doing a great job with their applications regarding >> education, and they continue to do so. Recently, Greg made me aware of >> this project [4], where they try to use Plasma for such purposes. >> >> Now. Wouldn't it be an idea, to work again on the Education Spin and >> restructure it a bit, include Sugar, talk about the advantages of using >> KDE, and so on? >> >> I want to ask for your opinion to make sure that this isn't happening >> too early. But that way, we could provide a great educational solution, >> based on Fedora, helping both the Sugar and KDE Edu project. >> >> But for this, we need a kind of collaboration, between those projects >> (e.g. Fedora / Sugar or Fedora / KDE Edu), so that we can provide a well >> designed, usable solution. > > Can you elaborate on what kind of collaboration are you thinking about > here? Is the idea to ship Sugar as an alternative desktop on the Edu > spin or something different? > > Marco Heh. ;) Nothing's written in stone... What I was thinking of was a kind of integration of Sugar into such a spin. Putting as many desktop environments as one can find is probably not the best idea right? So it would need to be worked out, how this (Sugar & e.g. KDE Edu) can be combined into a well fitting solution. As I mentioned, the Education Spin is currently based on XFCE. Now think about cscott's work here [1]. What, if we managed to get this into Fedora? And what, if we continued to ship XFCE among with kdeedu, but also included Sugar, with a more or less easy possibility to directly switch between them? Caroline stated that "A 4 year old should not face a dialog box asking gnome or sugar. A 12 year old with experience should be able to break out of sugar to the full power of Linux." So. Does this sound like an idea? There might be probably other ways of integrating Sugar here, but it's at least a beginning. --Sebastian [1] http://wiki.laptop.org/go/XFCE_and_Sugar From simon at schampijer.de Wed Feb 4 08:52:59 2009 From: simon at schampijer.de (Simon Schampijer) Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2009 09:52:59 +0100 Subject: Add sugar repo for yum for SoaS Message-ID: <4989576B.2070402@schampijer.de> Hi, the SoaS is based on F10 but contains the latest Sugar version 0.84 - this is why we have an extra repository for the Sugar packages. To make a yum update as well from that repository available I would like to add it to the /etc/yum.repos.d How would I do this best - write the file in the SoaS kickstart file? A little bird told me about a package solution as well. Thoughts welcome. Thanks, Simon From bochecha at fedoraproject.org Wed Feb 4 09:22:36 2009 From: bochecha at fedoraproject.org (Mathieu Bridon (bochecha)) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 10:22:36 +0100 Subject: Add sugar repo for yum for SoaS In-Reply-To: <4989576B.2070402@schampijer.de> References: <4989576B.2070402@schampijer.de> Message-ID: <2d319b780902040122h7a3fa82boa0075154d184c4be@mail.gmail.com> > How would I do this best - write the file in the SoaS kickstart file? A > little bird told me about a package solution as well. Thoughts welcome. Take a look at how RPMFusion is doing it for example: $ yumdownloader --source rpmfusion-free-release You'll get the SRPM, the SPEC file should teach you what to do for your own repository ;) Regards, ---------- Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) French Fedora Ambassador ---------- "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." ~Benjamin Franklin From pbrobinson at gmail.com Wed Feb 4 19:36:48 2009 From: pbrobinson at gmail.com (Peter Robinson) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 20:36:48 +0100 Subject: Joyide on Fedora 11/rawhide Message-ID: <5256d0b0902041136u5898dac9h1eda86637d14b8d4@mail.gmail.com> Hi All, I wanted to put it to the lists and get some feedback, with the plans on basing the 9.1.0 release on Fedora 11 I think we need to have a testing stream based on rawhide so that we can start testing core OS related bits and dealing with them sooner rather than later. My thoughts are that we should setup a new stream (joyhide/rawjoy/rawride?? ) at least initially which would give the OS people something to test and play with while giving Activity and sugar developers the option of either a more stable platform for developing and/or the bleading edge. With the F-11 alpha release out in the next couple of days rawhide should start (or maybe not) to stabilise so it might be a good time to start. Most of the major stuff that will affect OLPC (read python 2.6) is already in. There's a few other bits that will come but should have minimal impact. I'm quite happy to step up and sort out the build and poke repos and the like if people are happy to give me access to pilgrim and associated bits to get this moving. I have a reasonable amount of time next week that I can dedicate to getting this moving as well so I thought I'd poke now so as to get things moving if its decided to be a reasonable proposal. Thoughts? Cheers, Peter From cjb at laptop.org Wed Feb 4 19:38:05 2009 From: cjb at laptop.org (Chris Ball) Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2009 14:38:05 -0500 Subject: Joyide on Fedora 11/rawhide In-Reply-To: <5256d0b0902041136u5898dac9h1eda86637d14b8d4@mail.gmail.com> (Peter Robinson's message of "Wed, 4 Feb 2009 20:36:48 +0100") References: <5256d0b0902041136u5898dac9h1eda86637d14b8d4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Peter, > I wanted to put it to the lists and get some feedback, with the > plans on basing the 9.1.0 release on Fedora 11 I think we need to > have a testing stream based on rawhide so that we can start testing > core OS related bits and dealing with them sooner rather than > later. Totally agreed. The reason I haven't pushed to set up nightly builds is that right now Rawhide *doesn't boot* on the XO. I think energy should probably be aimed at fixing that before we start setting up nightlies. I pinged Jeremy earlier in the week, he didn't have any strong ideas about what's wrong. I should retry with latest Rawhide in case something's been fixed recently.. Thanks! - Chris. -- Chris Ball From pbrobinson at gmail.com Wed Feb 4 19:47:08 2009 From: pbrobinson at gmail.com (Peter Robinson) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 20:47:08 +0100 Subject: Joyide on Fedora 11/rawhide In-Reply-To: References: <5256d0b0902041136u5898dac9h1eda86637d14b8d4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5256d0b0902041147o28e46e73p6c53f40b20707ba6@mail.gmail.com> Hi Chris, > > I wanted to put it to the lists and get some feedback, with the > > plans on basing the 9.1.0 release on Fedora 11 I think we need to > > have a testing stream based on rawhide so that we can start testing > > core OS related bits and dealing with them sooner rather than > > later. > > Totally agreed. The reason I haven't pushed to set up nightly builds is > that right now Rawhide *doesn't boot* on the XO. I think energy should > probably be aimed at fixing that before we start setting up nightlies. > > I pinged Jeremy earlier in the week, he didn't have any strong ideas > about what's wrong. I should retry with latest Rawhide in case > something's been fixed recently.. Oh! I wasn't aware of that as I don't currently have an XO to test (although that should be sorted soon) not that I know enough about the boot/kernel of the XO to be of much help fixing it. I wonder if any of the 50 odd people on fedora-devel that got an XO in the lead up to the F-10 release could help with that? Greg, do you know of someone that isn't as busy as Jeremy that could help shed some light on XO boot issues? Peter From jvonau at shaw.ca Wed Feb 4 20:05:36 2009 From: jvonau at shaw.ca (Jerry Vonau) Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2009 14:05:36 -0600 Subject: Joyide on Fedora 11/rawhide In-Reply-To: <5256d0b0902041147o28e46e73p6c53f40b20707ba6@mail.gmail.com> References: <5256d0b0902041136u5898dac9h1eda86637d14b8d4@mail.gmail.com> <5256d0b0902041147o28e46e73p6c53f40b20707ba6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1233777936.10529.9.camel@f9.vonau.ca> On Wed, 2009-02-04 at 20:47 +0100, Peter Robinson wrote: > Hi Chris, > > > > I wanted to put it to the lists and get some feedback, with the > > > plans on basing the 9.1.0 release on Fedora 11 I think we need to > > > have a testing stream based on rawhide so that we can start testing > > > core OS related bits and dealing with them sooner rather than > > > later. > > > > Totally agreed. The reason I haven't pushed to set up nightly builds is > > that right now Rawhide *doesn't boot* on the XO. I think energy should > > probably be aimed at fixing that before we start setting up nightlies. > > > > I pinged Jeremy earlier in the week, he didn't have any strong ideas > > about what's wrong. I should retry with latest Rawhide in case > > something's been fixed recently.. > > Oh! I wasn't aware of that as I don't currently have an XO to test > (although that should be sorted soon) not that I know enough about the > boot/kernel of the XO to be of much help fixing it. I wonder if any of > the 50 odd people on fedora-devel that got an XO in the lead up to the > F-10 release could help with that? Greg, do you know of someone that > isn't as busy as Jeremy that could help shed some light on XO boot > issues? > > Peter I've been playing with booting fedora on the XO, mostly with anaconda (F9/F10) to be able to run an install on the XO itself for the XS. I'll try to boot the F11 kernel/installer when one is available, it looks like there are issues building anaconda atm, there is no isolinux directory on the mirrors... Perhaps someone could shed some light on the issues with rawhide that were uncovered thus far. Is there a tracker somewhere? Jerry From cjb at laptop.org Wed Feb 4 20:05:21 2009 From: cjb at laptop.org (Chris Ball) Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2009 15:05:21 -0500 Subject: Joyide on Fedora 11/rawhide In-Reply-To: <1233777936.10529.9.camel@f9.vonau.ca> (Jerry Vonau's message of "Wed, 04 Feb 2009 14:05:36 -0600") References: <5256d0b0902041136u5898dac9h1eda86637d14b8d4@mail.gmail.com> <5256d0b0902041147o28e46e73p6c53f40b20707ba6@mail.gmail.com> <1233777936.10529.9.camel@f9.vonau.ca> Message-ID: Hi Jerry, > I've been playing with booting fedora on the XO, mostly with > anaconda (F9/F10) to be able to run an install on the XO itself for > the XS. I'll try to boot the F11 kernel/installer when one is > available, it looks like there are issues building anaconda atm, > there is no isolinux directory on the mirrors... > Perhaps someone could shed some light on the issues with rawhide > that were uncovered thus far. Is there a tracker somewhere? F10 boots, but here's what happens when I try to boot Rawhide: http://dev.laptop.org/~cjb/f11-boot Thanks, - Chris. -- Chris Ball From simon at schampijer.de Wed Feb 4 20:23:44 2009 From: simon at schampijer.de (Simon Schampijer) Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2009 21:23:44 +0100 Subject: Add sugar repo for yum for SoaS In-Reply-To: <2d319b780902040122h7a3fa82boa0075154d184c4be@mail.gmail.com> References: <4989576B.2070402@schampijer.de> <2d319b780902040122h7a3fa82boa0075154d184c4be@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4989F950.3030000@schampijer.de> Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) wrote: >> How would I do this best - write the file in the SoaS kickstart file? A >> little bird told me about a package solution as well. Thoughts welcome. > > Take a look at how RPMFusion is doing it for example: > $ yumdownloader --source rpmfusion-free-release > > You'll get the SRPM, the SPEC file should teach you what to do for > your own repository ;) > > Regards, Excellent - that was what I was looking for. I discussed it with marco today and as we need it only as a temporary hack and we would need to change our scripts for that we decided to just quickly add the creation of the file to the kickstart. Bad us ;p Anyway, thanks for the tip, I am sure I will need it later somewhere else :) Cheers, Simon From jvonau at shaw.ca Wed Feb 4 20:34:25 2009 From: jvonau at shaw.ca (Jerry Vonau) Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2009 14:34:25 -0600 Subject: Joyide on Fedora 11/rawhide In-Reply-To: References: <5256d0b0902041136u5898dac9h1eda86637d14b8d4@mail.gmail.com> <5256d0b0902041147o28e46e73p6c53f40b20707ba6@mail.gmail.com> <1233777936.10529.9.camel@f9.vonau.ca> Message-ID: <1233779666.10529.24.camel@f9.vonau.ca> On Wed, 2009-02-04 at 15:05 -0500, Chris Ball wrote: > Hi Jerry, > > > I've been playing with booting fedora on the XO, mostly with > > anaconda (F9/F10) to be able to run an install on the XO itself for > > the XS. I'll try to boot the F11 kernel/installer when one is > > available, it looks like there are issues building anaconda atm, > > there is no isolinux directory on the mirrors... > > > Perhaps someone could shed some light on the issues with rawhide > > that were uncovered thus far. Is there a tracker somewhere? > > F10 boots, but here's what happens when I try to boot Rawhide: > > http://dev.laptop.org/~cjb/f11-boot > > Thanks, > > - Chris. kernel commandline: root=mtd0 rootfstype=jffs2 liveimg console=tty0 console=tty2 If your booting the live image shouldn't the root= line be something like: root=LABEL=... You could use the device name also: root=/dev/mtd0 Have a look at the mkliveinitrd part of mkinitrd at: http://git.fedoraproject.org/git/?p=mkinitrd;a=blob;f=mkliveinitrd;hb=24d6d9779ca5bacc0c649e9d783263661ceb81f0 Without the /dev part the init script will not have anything to match the root= against, in the "case $root in" part of the init file, resulting in the udev rules not getting created for the /dev/root symlink. Hoping that is the fix, Jerry From gdk at redhat.com Wed Feb 4 21:51:26 2009 From: gdk at redhat.com (Greg Dekoenigsberg) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 16:51:26 -0500 (EST) Subject: Joyide on Fedora 11/rawhide In-Reply-To: <1233777936.10529.9.camel@f9.vonau.ca> References: <5256d0b0902041136u5898dac9h1eda86637d14b8d4@mail.gmail.com> <5256d0b0902041147o28e46e73p6c53f40b20707ba6@mail.gmail.com> <1233777936.10529.9.camel@f9.vonau.ca> Message-ID: After a brief discussion with Jeremy, it appears that Fedora 11 in rawhide has had many boot issues on many platforms, and they're tackling them one by one. He promises to have a look at OLPC specifically on Friday. --g -- Got an XO that you're not using? Loan it to a needy developer! [[ http://wiki.laptop.org/go/XO_Exchange_Registry ]] On Wed, 4 Feb 2009, Jerry Vonau wrote: > On Wed, 2009-02-04 at 20:47 +0100, Peter Robinson wrote: >> Hi Chris, >> >>> > I wanted to put it to the lists and get some feedback, with the >>> > plans on basing the 9.1.0 release on Fedora 11 I think we need to >>> > have a testing stream based on rawhide so that we can start testing >>> > core OS related bits and dealing with them sooner rather than >>> > later. >>> >>> Totally agreed. The reason I haven't pushed to set up nightly builds is >>> that right now Rawhide *doesn't boot* on the XO. I think energy should >>> probably be aimed at fixing that before we start setting up nightlies. >>> >>> I pinged Jeremy earlier in the week, he didn't have any strong ideas >>> about what's wrong. I should retry with latest Rawhide in case >>> something's been fixed recently.. >> >> Oh! I wasn't aware of that as I don't currently have an XO to test >> (although that should be sorted soon) not that I know enough about the >> boot/kernel of the XO to be of much help fixing it. I wonder if any of >> the 50 odd people on fedora-devel that got an XO in the lead up to the >> F-10 release could help with that? Greg, do you know of someone that >> isn't as busy as Jeremy that could help shed some light on XO boot >> issues? >> >> Peter > > I've been playing with booting fedora on the XO, mostly with anaconda > (F9/F10) to be able to run an install on the XO itself for the XS. I'll > try to boot the F11 kernel/installer when one is available, it looks > like there are issues building anaconda atm, there is no isolinux > directory on the mirrors... > > Perhaps someone could shed some light on the issues with rawhide that > were uncovered thus far. Is there a tracker somewhere? > > > Jerry > > > > _______________________________________________ > Devel mailing list > Devel at lists.laptop.org > http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel > From pbrobinson at gmail.com Wed Feb 4 22:20:50 2009 From: pbrobinson at gmail.com (Peter Robinson) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 23:20:50 +0100 Subject: Joyide on Fedora 11/rawhide In-Reply-To: References: <5256d0b0902041136u5898dac9h1eda86637d14b8d4@mail.gmail.com> <5256d0b0902041147o28e46e73p6c53f40b20707ba6@mail.gmail.com> <1233777936.10529.9.camel@f9.vonau.ca> Message-ID: <5256d0b0902041420q3a5c280cv3f93f431d0206537@mail.gmail.com> Hi Greg, Thanks for poking :) > After a brief discussion with Jeremy, it appears that Fedora 11 in rawhide > has had many boot issues on many platforms, and they're tackling them one by > one. He promises to have a look at OLPC specifically on Friday. Excellent news. In the mean time, even with boot issues, there's nothing wrong with getting a rawhide based stream in progress so that various other issues that will undoubtedly show up so that when the boot problem is fixed we're already on the ground and can start running. After all there will no doubt be other deps and composing issues that need to be resolved. too. Either way, ping me on or off list for any heavy lifting I can help with. Cheers, Peter From gdk at redhat.com Wed Feb 4 22:28:13 2009 From: gdk at redhat.com (Greg Dekoenigsberg) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 17:28:13 -0500 (EST) Subject: Joyide on Fedora 11/rawhide In-Reply-To: <5256d0b0902041420q3a5c280cv3f93f431d0206537@mail.gmail.com> References: <5256d0b0902041136u5898dac9h1eda86637d14b8d4@mail.gmail.com> <5256d0b0902041147o28e46e73p6c53f40b20707ba6@mail.gmail.com> <1233777936.10529.9.camel@f9.vonau.ca> <5256d0b0902041420q3a5c280cv3f93f431d0206537@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 4 Feb 2009, Peter Robinson wrote: > Hi Greg, > > Thanks for poking :) > >> After a brief discussion with Jeremy, it appears that Fedora 11 in rawhide >> has had many boot issues on many platforms, and they're tackling them one by >> one. He promises to have a look at OLPC specifically on Friday. > > Excellent news. In the mean time, even with boot issues, there's nothing > wrong with getting a rawhide based stream in progress so that various > other issues that will undoubtedly show up so that when the boot problem > is fixed we're already on the ground and can start running. After all > there will no doubt be other deps and composing issues that need to be > resolved. too. > > Either way, ping me on or off list for any heavy lifting I can help with. cjb, it was my understanding that you were already essentially doing nightly builds from rawhide using livecd-tools. Am I mistaken? --g -- Got an XO that you're not using? Loan it to a needy developer! [[ http://wiki.laptop.org/go/XO_Exchange_Registry ]] From dsd at laptop.org Wed Feb 4 22:34:15 2009 From: dsd at laptop.org (Daniel Drake) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 19:34:15 -0300 Subject: Joyide on Fedora 11/rawhide In-Reply-To: References: <5256d0b0902041136u5898dac9h1eda86637d14b8d4@mail.gmail.com> <5256d0b0902041147o28e46e73p6c53f40b20707ba6@mail.gmail.com> <1233777936.10529.9.camel@f9.vonau.ca> Message-ID: <818423da0902041434m2cdf5543u16f588adb940cca6@mail.gmail.com> 2009/2/4 Chris Ball : > Hi Jerry, > > > I've been playing with booting fedora on the XO, mostly with > > anaconda (F9/F10) to be able to run an install on the XO itself for > > the XS. I'll try to boot the F11 kernel/installer when one is > > available, it looks like there are issues building anaconda atm, > > there is no isolinux directory on the mirrors... > > > Perhaps someone could shed some light on the issues with rawhide > > that were uncovered thus far. Is there a tracker somewhere? > > F10 boots, but here's what happens when I try to boot Rawhide: > > http://dev.laptop.org/~cjb/f11-boot This is Fedora's initramfs, right? Peter's suggestion is to use pilgrim to create rawhide builds, hence using the olpc initramfs. If we are still facing problems beyond Friday, this may be a good thing to do in the interim. Peter does not have an XO (grr at contrib program extreme slowness!) but may be able to help on other issues that surface as the result of an available public build... Daniel From cjb at laptop.org Wed Feb 4 22:44:22 2009 From: cjb at laptop.org (Chris Ball) Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2009 17:44:22 -0500 Subject: Joyide on Fedora 11/rawhide In-Reply-To: (Greg Dekoenigsberg's message of "Wed, 4 Feb 2009 17:28:13 -0500 (EST)") References: <5256d0b0902041136u5898dac9h1eda86637d14b8d4@mail.gmail.com> <5256d0b0902041147o28e46e73p6c53f40b20707ba6@mail.gmail.com> <1233777936.10529.9.camel@f9.vonau.ca> <5256d0b0902041420q3a5c280cv3f93f431d0206537@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Greg, > cjb, it was my understanding that you were already essentially > doing nightly builds from rawhide using livecd-tools. Am I > mistaken? I was doing manual builds from rawhide using livecd-tools, trying to get them to boot. Haven't got around to nightly yet, since it didn't seem like there was much point when they aren't booting. - Chris. -- Chris Ball From gdk at redhat.com Wed Feb 4 22:55:19 2009 From: gdk at redhat.com (Greg Dekoenigsberg) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 17:55:19 -0500 (EST) Subject: Joyide on Fedora 11/rawhide In-Reply-To: References: <5256d0b0902041136u5898dac9h1eda86637d14b8d4@mail.gmail.com> <5256d0b0902041147o28e46e73p6c53f40b20707ba6@mail.gmail.com> <1233777936.10529.9.camel@f9.vonau.ca> <5256d0b0902041420q3a5c280cv3f93f431d0206537@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 4 Feb 2009, Chris Ball wrote: > Hi Greg, > > > cjb, it was my understanding that you were already essentially > > doing nightly builds from rawhide using livecd-tools. Am I > > mistaken? > > I was doing manual builds from rawhide using livecd-tools, trying to get > them to boot. Haven't got around to nightly yet, since it didn't seem > like there was much point when they aren't booting. Which is still true, apparently, so there you are. Although nightlies may be required at some point -- perhaps this process is what Peter is volunteering to help get off the ground? --g -- Got an XO that you're not using? Loan it to a needy developer! [[ http://wiki.laptop.org/go/XO_Exchange_Registry ]] From cjb at laptop.org Wed Feb 4 22:53:14 2009 From: cjb at laptop.org (Chris Ball) Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2009 17:53:14 -0500 Subject: Joyide on Fedora 11/rawhide In-Reply-To: <818423da0902041434m2cdf5543u16f588adb940cca6@mail.gmail.com> (Daniel Drake's message of "Wed, 4 Feb 2009 19:34:15 -0300") References: <5256d0b0902041136u5898dac9h1eda86637d14b8d4@mail.gmail.com> <5256d0b0902041147o28e46e73p6c53f40b20707ba6@mail.gmail.com> <1233777936.10529.9.camel@f9.vonau.ca> <818423da0902041434m2cdf5543u16f588adb940cca6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi, > This is Fedora's initramfs, right? Right. > Peter's suggestion is to use pilgrim to create rawhide builds, > hence using the olpc initramfs. That's an interesting idea. I don't like it long-term, because no-one's working on pilgrim or our initramfs, but it could help us get moving. > Peter does not have an XO (grr at contrib program extreme slowness!) > but may be able to help on other issues that surface as the result > of an available public build... Oh, let's fix that. Ed, SJ, could one of you take care of sending Peter some XOs ASAP, please? Thanks! - Chris. -- Chris Ball From gdk at redhat.com Wed Feb 4 23:33:39 2009 From: gdk at redhat.com (Greg Dekoenigsberg) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 18:33:39 -0500 (EST) Subject: Meeting reminder and notes from m_stone Message-ID: Hello all. A reminder: we'll be meeting tomorrow, Thursday at 1pm Eastern US time, #fedora-olpc, irc.freenode.net. Some things to keep us busy: gregdek: olpc-update, olpc-contents, olpcsudo, sugar-update-control, and cerebro require python2.6 rebuilds. gregdek: sugar-journal and sugar-evince-python need to be dropped from the package manifest gregdek: and we need a new subpackage of gnome-python-desktop for the new evince-python bindings available from upstream. also, telepathy-salut from olpc4 needs a rebuild against libssl.7. and all this without actually running the thing! See you all tomorrow. :) --g -- Got an XO that you're not using? Loan it to a needy developer! [[ http://wiki.laptop.org/go/XO_Exchange_Registry ]] From michael at laptop.org Thu Feb 5 01:50:54 2009 From: michael at laptop.org (Michael Stone) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 20:50:54 -0500 Subject: Joyide on Fedora 11/rawhide In-Reply-To: References: <5256d0b0902041136u5898dac9h1eda86637d14b8d4@mail.gmail.com> <5256d0b0902041147o28e46e73p6c53f40b20707ba6@mail.gmail.com> <1233777936.10529.9.camel@f9.vonau.ca> <818423da0902041434m2cdf5543u16f588adb940cca6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090205015054.GA27289@heat> On Wed, Feb 04, 2009 at 05:53:14PM -0500, Chris Ball wrote: >Hi, > > > This is Fedora's initramfs, right? > >Right. > > > Peter's suggestion is to use pilgrim to create rawhide builds, > > hence using the olpc initramfs. > >That's an interesting idea. I don't like it long-term, because >no-one's working on pilgrim or our initramfs, but it could help >us get moving. Two small corrections: a) the initramfs continues happily under active volunteer development -- it received two new features and a bugfix contributed by a deployment support volunteer (dsd) in the last two weeks, along with patch review and volunteer testing by folks back here in the States. b) While pilgrim may be a dead-end, the ideas underlying it are not. This week, I translated pilgrim's ideas into the simplest form yet achieved, namely, a plain old Makefile: http://dev.laptop.org/git?p=users/mstone/puritan;a=tree;hb=make and used it to produce builds from the olpc4+joyride tree and the rawhide+olpc4+joyride tree (with minor edits). The former booted happily into Sugar and built on both Debian and Fedora. :) (The latter, still using the olpc initramfs, dies because upstart 0.5 still doesn't know how to run as non-pid-1. olpc4's upstart-0.3.9 has a patch which implements this feature.) > > Peter does not have an XO (grr at contrib program extreme slowness!) > > but may be able to help on other issues that surface as the result > > of an available public build... > >Oh, let's fix that. Ed, SJ, could one of you take care of sending >Peter some XOs ASAP, please? Good idea. Michael From bochecha at fedoraproject.org Thu Feb 5 09:57:00 2009 From: bochecha at fedoraproject.org (Mathieu Bridon (bochecha)) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 10:57:00 +0100 Subject: Meeting reminder and notes from m_stone In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2d319b780902050157q18e6a246p290d80b9af99d45d@mail.gmail.com> Hi, > Hello all. A reminder: we'll be meeting tomorrow, Thursday at 1pm Eastern > US time, #fedora-olpc, irc.freenode.net. Maybe it's me, but I can't find out what "1pm Eastern US time" means. http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/converter.html This site lists several timezones for US, but which one is the one you call "eastern" ? Maybe giving the time of the meeting in UTC would be easier for non US contributors ? Anyway, I suppose it will be the same time as last meeting, so 18:00 UTC. I unfortunately won't be able to come, will the logs be posted to the list ? Regards, ---------- Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) French Fedora Ambassador ---------- "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." ~Benjamin Franklin From martin at martindengler.com Thu Feb 5 10:08:36 2009 From: martin at martindengler.com (Martin Dengler) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 10:08:36 +0000 Subject: Meeting reminder and notes from m_stone In-Reply-To: <2d319b780902050157q18e6a246p290d80b9af99d45d@mail.gmail.com> References: <2d319b780902050157q18e6a246p290d80b9af99d45d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090205100836.GM24570@ops-13.xades.com> On Thu, Feb 05, 2009 at 10:57:00AM +0100, Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) wrote: > Hi, > > > Hello all. A reminder: we'll be meeting tomorrow, Thursday at 1pm Eastern > > US time, #fedora-olpc, irc.freenode.net. > > Maybe it's me, but I can't find out what "1pm Eastern US time" > means. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_Eastern_Time_Zone > Anyway, I suppose it will be the same time as last meeting, so 18:00 > UTC. That's 13:00 EST + 5 = 18:00 UTC. > Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From pbrobinson at gmail.com Thu Feb 5 10:38:37 2009 From: pbrobinson at gmail.com (Peter Robinson) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 11:38:37 +0100 Subject: Meeting reminder and notes from m_stone In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5256d0b0902050238w20cebb72le902ed83d57a8a58@mail.gmail.com> > Some things to keep us busy: Has the OLPC-4 dist tag been moved from being derived from the dist-f10 tag to dist-f11? Its been on my list to ask about or do we need a new tag? > gregdek: olpc-update, olpc-contents, olpcsudo, > sugar-update-control, and cerebro require python2.6 rebuilds. I'll push them to koji in the devel branch today > gregdek: sugar-journal and sugar-evince-python need to be dropped > from the package manifest as in deprecated and marked as dead packages? > gregdek: and we need a new subpackage of gnome-python-desktop for > the new evince-python bindings available from upstream. Is there a RHBZ bug number for this, or does one need to be filed? > also, telepathy-salut from olpc4 needs a rebuild against libssl.7. See query at top about dist tags > and all this without actually running the thing! > > See you all tomorrow. :) I'll do my best to be there :-) Cheers, Peter From smparrish at shallowcreek.net Thu Feb 5 19:15:47 2009 From: smparrish at shallowcreek.net (Steven M. Parrish) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 14:15:47 -0500 Subject: XO question Message-ID: <200902051415.48007.smparrish@shallowcreek.net> Hey guys, Since I am not a proud owner of an XO let me ask a question. When testing and developing activities I know I can use the Sugar Spin to verify software compatibility but is there anything out there that simulates the XO hardware for testing purposes? Steven From cjb at laptop.org Fri Feb 6 16:56:58 2009 From: cjb at laptop.org (Chris Ball) Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2009 11:56:58 -0500 Subject: Fedora on XO - Lite In-Reply-To: (Marco Pesenti Gritti's message of "Fri, 6 Feb 2009 17:44:34 +0100") References: <4980C52B.7040807@when.com> <498219F9.3060203@when.com> Message-ID: Hey Marco, > Do you have the kickstart up somewhere? I'd really like to rebase > soas-1 on it, having a small image would be awesome for the XO. I > suppose it's not based on fedora-live-base? Sebastian's kickstart files are here: http://dev.laptop.org/git/projects/fedora-xo I agree that we should use (or at least merge) them, there's a lot of great work here. Thanks, - Chris. -- Chris Ball From pbrobinson at gmail.com Fri Feb 6 16:59:56 2009 From: pbrobinson at gmail.com (Peter Robinson) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 17:59:56 +0100 Subject: OLPC upstream status.... Message-ID: <5256d0b0902060859j648804dckd621b3b72d49f61f@mail.gmail.com> OK, with the looming hopeful rebase to rawhide I thought I'd do a quick review of where we're at in forked packages. Awaiting review: Mothanna-fonts.noarch 0:0.02-3.olpc3 I heard rumours there might be license issues with this: bootfw.i386 0:q2e28-1.olpc2.unsigned No idea but no package reviews: cerebro.noarch 0:3.0.6-1.olpc3 ds-backup-client.noarch 0:0.8.1-1.olpc3 olpc-licenses.noarch 0:8.2.0.0-1.olpc3 olpcrd.i386 0:0.50-0 olpcsudo.noarch 0:1.4-1 olpc-update.noarch 0:2.17-1 squeak-vm.i386 0:3.10-3olpc11 Not sure if this version works with mugshot/bigboard: hippo-canvas.i386 0:0.3.0-5.20081014svn.olpc4 hippo-canvas-python.i386 0:0.3.0-5.20081014svn.olpc4 This is upstream but someone had possible issues: hulahop.i386 0:0.4.7-1.olpc4 Already in rawhide so no issue: sugar-artwork.i386 0:0.83.3-1.olpc4 sugar-base.i386 0:0.83.3-1.olpc4 sugar-datastore.i386 0:0.83.2-1.olpc4 sugar.i386 0:0.83.5-1.olpc4 sugar-presence-service.noarch 0:0.83.3-1.olpc4 sugar-toolkit.i386 0:0.83.4-1.olpc4 Deprecated (I presume we need to do the dead package process). Also gnome-python2-desktop-evince is in rawhide so do we need to obsolete these two against them to ensure easy upgrade?: sugar-evince.i386 0:2.24.1-1.olpc4 sugar-evince-python.i386 0:2.24.1-1.olpc4 Forks for rainbow I believe (Status?): telepathy-gabble.i386 0:0.7.16-1.olpc4 telepathy-glib.i386 0:0.7.20-1.olpc4 telepathy-salut.i386 0:0.3.7-2.olpc4 Forked for dependancies (If we're going to ship gnome as well do the deps now matter?): totem-gstreamer.i386 0:2.24.3-5.olpc4 totem.i386 0:2.24.3-5.olpc4 totem-mozplugin.i386 0:2.24.3-5.olpc4 totem-pl-parser.i386 0:2.24.2-5.olpc4 Forked for deps but will go away whenever abiword 2.7/2.8 gets released: libabiword.i386 1:2.6.5-3.olpc4 This is already in F-10/rawhide so noidea why its still around: libertas-usb8388-firmware.noarch 2:5.110.22.p23-1.olpc3 I think the issues for this are fixed in python 2.6: pygobject2.i386 0:2.15.4-3.olpc4.3 pygtk2.i386 0:2.13.0-2.olpc4.1 pygtk2-libglade.i386 0:2.13.0-2.olpc4.1 python.i386 0:2.5.2-1.olpc4.1 python-libs.i386 0:2.5.2-1.olpc4.1 Umm.... I think initscripts/upstart have patches due to rainbow but generally I have no idea: upstart.i386 0:0.3.9-19.olpc4.1 rainbow.noarch 0:0.7.27-1.olpc4 initscripts.i386 0:8.86-1.olpc4.3 kernel.i586 0:2.6.27-20090104.1.olpc.48de97f1a90c0e4 Cheers, Peter From ivazqueznet at gmail.com Fri Feb 6 17:18:02 2009 From: ivazqueznet at gmail.com (Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams) Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2009 12:18:02 -0500 Subject: OLPC upstream status.... In-Reply-To: <5256d0b0902060859j648804dckd621b3b72d49f61f@mail.gmail.com> References: <5256d0b0902060859j648804dckd621b3b72d49f61f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1233940682.28723.85.camel@ignacio.lan> On Fri, 2009-02-06 at 17:59 +0100, Peter Robinson wrote: > I think the issues for this are fixed in python 2.6: > pygtk2.i386 0:2.13.0-2.olpc4.1 This one is not a Python issue, but rather a Numeric versus NumPy issue, and is not solved in Rawhide. http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=397544 http://cvs.fedoraproject.org/viewvc/rpms/pygtk2/devel/pygtk2.spec?annotate=HEAD (line 39) -- Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams PLEASE don't CC me; I'm already subscribed -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Yeah, sure :) I'll be happy to do so! --Sebastian From morgan.collett at gmail.com Sat Feb 7 07:01:17 2009 From: morgan.collett at gmail.com (Morgan Collett) Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2009 09:01:17 +0200 Subject: OLPC upstream status.... In-Reply-To: <5256d0b0902060859j648804dckd621b3b72d49f61f@mail.gmail.com> References: <5256d0b0902060859j648804dckd621b3b72d49f61f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 18:59, Peter Robinson wrote: > OK, with the looming hopeful rebase to rawhide I thought I'd do a > quick review of where we're at in forked packages. > > Awaiting review: > Mothanna-fonts.noarch 0:0.02-3.olpc3 > > I heard rumours there might be license issues with this: > bootfw.i386 0:q2e28-1.olpc2.unsigned > > No idea but no package reviews: > cerebro.noarch 0:3.0.6-1.olpc3 > ds-backup-client.noarch 0:0.8.1-1.olpc3 > olpc-licenses.noarch 0:8.2.0.0-1.olpc3 > olpcrd.i386 0:0.50-0 > olpcsudo.noarch 0:1.4-1 > olpc-update.noarch 0:2.17-1 > squeak-vm.i386 0:3.10-3olpc11 > > Not sure if this version works with mugshot/bigboard: > hippo-canvas.i386 0:0.3.0-5.20081014svn.olpc4 > hippo-canvas-python.i386 0:0.3.0-5.20081014svn.olpc4 > > This is upstream but someone had possible issues: > hulahop.i386 0:0.4.7-1.olpc4 > > Already in rawhide so no issue: > sugar-artwork.i386 0:0.83.3-1.olpc4 > sugar-base.i386 0:0.83.3-1.olpc4 > sugar-datastore.i386 0:0.83.2-1.olpc4 > sugar.i386 0:0.83.5-1.olpc4 > sugar-presence-service.noarch 0:0.83.3-1.olpc4 > sugar-toolkit.i386 0:0.83.4-1.olpc4 > > Deprecated (I presume we need to do the dead package process). Also > gnome-python2-desktop-evince is in rawhide so do we need to obsolete > these two against them to ensure easy upgrade?: > sugar-evince.i386 0:2.24.1-1.olpc4 > sugar-evince-python.i386 0:2.24.1-1.olpc4 > > Forks for rainbow I believe (Status?): > telepathy-gabble.i386 0:0.7.16-1.olpc4 > telepathy-glib.i386 0:0.7.20-1.olpc4 > telepathy-salut.i386 0:0.3.7-2.olpc4 gabble and salut have patches for rainbow, but telepathy-glib is only included in olpc4 because there's often a specific version dependency on telepathy-glib, and so we needed a newer version than F-10. So tp-glib should be fine from rawhide. > Forked for dependancies (If we're going to ship gnome as well do the > deps now matter?): > totem-gstreamer.i386 0:2.24.3-5.olpc4 > totem.i386 0:2.24.3-5.olpc4 > totem-mozplugin.i386 0:2.24.3-5.olpc4 > totem-pl-parser.i386 0:2.24.2-5.olpc4 > > Forked for deps but will go away whenever abiword 2.7/2.8 gets released: > libabiword.i386 1:2.6.5-3.olpc4 > > This is already in F-10/rawhide so noidea why its still around: > libertas-usb8388-firmware.noarch 2:5.110.22.p23-1.olpc3 > > I think the issues for this are fixed in python 2.6: > pygobject2.i386 0:2.15.4-3.olpc4.3 > pygtk2.i386 0:2.13.0-2.olpc4.1 > pygtk2-libglade.i386 0:2.13.0-2.olpc4.1 > python.i386 0:2.5.2-1.olpc4.1 > python-libs.i386 0:2.5.2-1.olpc4.1 > > Umm.... I think initscripts/upstart have patches due to rainbow but > generally I have no idea: > upstart.i386 0:0.3.9-19.olpc4.1 > rainbow.noarch 0:0.7.27-1.olpc4 > initscripts.i386 0:8.86-1.olpc4.3 > kernel.i586 0:2.6.27-20090104.1.olpc.48de97f1a90c0e4 Regards Morgan From cjb at laptop.org Sat Feb 7 16:16:47 2009 From: cjb at laptop.org (Chris Ball) Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2009 11:16:47 -0500 Subject: mkliveinitrd bug In-Reply-To: (Marco Pesenti Gritti's message of "Sat, 7 Feb 2009 14:37:59 +0100") References: Message-ID: Hi, > Hello, I tracked down why rawhide does not boot from nand. Details > in this bug report: Awesome, Marco! Thanks so much! As Peter suggested, I should look at getting nightly builds set up soon. Would you like to share infrastructure so that the build run spits out SoaS images at the same as F11-XO images? If so, any preference for whether to do it on an OLPC machine or on something like sunjammer? - Chris. -- Chris Ball From david.nalley at fedoraproject.org Sun Feb 8 03:55:41 2009 From: david.nalley at fedoraproject.org (David Nalley) Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2009 22:55:41 -0500 Subject: Fedora Developers XO program Message-ID: Hi All: During and shortly after FUDcon I began talking about ways we can increase participation in the Fedora OLPC SIG and get more accomplished for OLPC and Sugar. As geeks we tend to love and drool over esoteric and fascinating hardware and thus the XO presents itself as a nice carrot for motivation as well as having practical benefits in the hands of people working on the project. The week following FUDcon I suggested to Ed and SJ that they let the Fedora Ambassadors run the NA Developer XO program for an initial period of 6 months for a number of reasons: 1. Now their plates are even fuller, and this appears to be way we can help offload some of that work. 2. The Ambassadors are already in place, going to every major event and tons of minor events recruiting contributors to Fedora 3. We've had some moderate success getting people involved with both Fedora and OLPC/Sugar. They decided to take me up on the offer and shipped 100 XOs to us. I have set the initial guidelines - but those are subject to the guidance of this SIG - you guys are already doing the work, so feel free to give guidance or just change the page located: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_developers_XO_program Essentially the bar I have arbitrarily set is: 1. Maintain a sugar-* package in Fedora and agree to maintain it for two releases. Alternately maintain a package that was in OLPC4 and has been merged. 2. Develop a Sugar activity. To keep this in focus I have adopted GDK's 'holy list of 4th grade math lessons' as acceptable activities: http://sugarlabs.org/go/User:Gdk/4th_Grade_Maths 3. QA - well not really - OLPC has already sent ~75 machines out a few months back for people to do QA on - and we hope that those people will return to help us, so we aren't actively looking for QA help, but if someone with extensive QA experience and lots of time presents itself we won't pass it up. I really seek your comments and suggestions here - I have 6 months to prove that the community can handle and succeed at this program, and really I have a larger of goal of wanting the 'holy list' accomplished at the end of the 6 months and thus a usable 4th grade math curriculum available. Thoughts?? Comments?? Flames?? From martin at martindengler.com Mon Feb 9 07:51:15 2009 From: martin at martindengler.com (Martin Dengler) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 07:51:15 +0000 Subject: Fedora Developers XO program In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20090209075115.GT24570@ops-13.xades.com> On Sat, Feb 07, 2009 at 10:55:41PM -0500, David Nalley wrote: > Hi All: [...] > The week following FUDcon I suggested to Ed and SJ that they let the > Fedora Ambassadors run the NA Developer XO program [...] > They decided to take me up on the offer and shipped 100 XOs to us. This seems a great idea to me - at the Fedora booth at FOSDEM 2009 there were four XOs and always tons of people at the booth prodding the XOs. I personally got involved with Sugar/SugarLabs because I G1G1'ed. If you get the opportunity to extend this to non-NA Fedora ambassadors please do. > I have a larger of goal of wanting the 'holy list' accomplished > at the end of the 6 months and thus a usable 4th grade math curriculum > available. What's the best community gathering place for that effort - #sugar and devel at lists.sugarlabs.org? Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From karlie_robinson at webpath.net Mon Feb 9 15:26:44 2009 From: karlie_robinson at webpath.net (Karlie Robinson) Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2009 10:26:44 -0500 Subject: Fedora Developers XO program In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49904B34.9080806@webpath.net> Dave - There's strong interest in the XO at RIT [1] and I've forwarded this email to Professor Jacobs - with the caveat that it would be inappropriate to ask for machines that wouldn't fit within the scope you've outlined. If you recall [2], there's a SIG forming at RIT which will be the community side of things [3]. RIT will be holding a class centered on the XO itself. (they have 3 XOs being donated by Nortel) The ideas popping around at the January meeting included the XO as a machine that can be morphed for other usage and I threw in my $0.02 with "why not join an established project?" (my meeting follow-up is pasted below) So my hope is that this will wet their appetite some and encourage the SIG and RIT to consider working closer with the Fedora Ambassadors and OLPC. Let me know what I can do for you here in Rochester. If the RIT folks get out of hand or anything, just let me know and I'll go have a chat with them. I can see RIT from my house (sorry, the only language I can code in is HTML) ~Karlie [1] http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Stephen_Jacobs [2] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-olpc-list/2009-January/msg00074.html [3] http://wiki.laptop.org/go/OLPC_Rochester,_NY (yes, that girl in red is me) -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [Fwd: [Lugor-discuss] One Laptop Per Child Rochester group forming] Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 08:48:28 -0500 From: Karlie Robinson To: Greg DeKoenigsberg , Mel Chua References: <49739B96.4060105 at webpath.net> I'm updating you directly because I'm not sure what mailing list this would be on-topic. I discovered that many in the crowd weren't familiar with the Open Source development model used on the XO so I spent some time explaining the basics. I also covered high points on XO history including the Fedora/OLPC relationship, What is intuitive? as it relates to the XO and the Sugar environment, and general Q&A that was spawned from the above. Since there were developers and users of all sorts in the audience there was quite a bit on how to get involved - both at OLPC and Fedora. (I did sweeten the pot with history on test one get one. That by getting involved there /may/ be an opportunity to work directly on an XO.) And in case you're wondering... No I wasn't scheduled to present any of this info. I simply showed up and was talking about F10 and Sugar to a couple of students who stopped in before the meeting. I was then asked to hold off so I could explain it to everyone. Then I did most of the talking. (I should learn to mind my manners) I was also interested to discover that RIT Professor Stephen Jacobs will be teaching a class based on the XO in the spring. Nortel will be donating 3 XO's for the class and I've offered my resources (meaning you might get an email from me asking for stuff [wink]) in hopes that I can be an Open Source influence on the projects. The official meeting minutes are pasted below. ~Karlie Frederick Grose wrote: > Thank you all for attending the meeting last night! > > See our wiki page, http://wiki.laptop.org/go/OLPC_Rochester,_NY, for > an update with pictures from Chuck's camera. > > Be sure to click on the 22 January 2009 - Getting to know you and the > OLPC XO > > link just under 'Past events' to see Stephen Jacobs notes. > > Feel free to edit the wiki with any of your ideas, questions, or > corrections! (or to me, if you choose). > > If you have friends that might be interested, invite them to the next > meeting. Tell them they they'll be able to play with an XO--and > possibly take one home on loan! > > Best wishes until next time, --Fred Grose > > p.s., in the mean time, if you have any questions about your XO or the > project, send me or the group a note, and we'll try to help you out. From echerlin at gmail.com Mon Feb 9 21:01:39 2009 From: echerlin at gmail.com (Edward Cherlin) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 13:01:39 -0800 Subject: Fedora Developers XO program In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sat, Feb 7, 2009 at 7:55 PM, David Nalley wrote: > Hi All: > > During and shortly after FUDcon I began talking about ways we can > increase participation in the Fedora OLPC SIG and get more > accomplished for OLPC and Sugar. > > As geeks we tend to love and drool over esoteric and fascinating > hardware and thus the XO presents itself as a nice carrot for > motivation as well as having practical benefits in the hands of people > working on the project. > > The week following FUDcon I suggested to Ed and SJ that they let the > Fedora Ambassadors run the NA Developer XO program for an initial > period of 6 months for a number of reasons: > > 1. Now their plates are even fuller, and this appears to be way we can > help offload some of that work. > 2. The Ambassadors are already in place, going to every major event > and tons of minor events recruiting contributors to Fedora > 3. We've had some moderate success getting people involved with both > Fedora and OLPC/Sugar. > > They decided to take me up on the offer and shipped 100 XOs to us. +1 > I have set the initial guidelines - but those are subject to the > guidance of this SIG - you guys are already doing the work, so feel > free to give guidance or just change the page located: > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_developers_XO_program > > > Essentially the bar I have arbitrarily set is: > > 1. Maintain a sugar-* package in Fedora and agree to maintain it for > two releases. Alternately maintain a package that was in OLPC4 and has > been merged. > > 2. Develop a Sugar activity. To keep this in focus I have adopted > GDK's 'holy list of 4th grade math lessons' as acceptable activities: > http://sugarlabs.org/go/User:Gdk/4th_Grade_Maths Why would a Maths developer need a physical XO? I'm working on such projects using Sugar packages. Now physics using the Measure activity (digital oscilloscope)--That's a reason for using actual hardware. I'm not working on that right now because I don't have an XO. Well, OK, this is listed on the Maths page, so I'll take it. Along with Alan Kay and Earth Treasury's other partners. 4.D.1 Collect and organize data using observations, measurements, surveys, or experiments, and identify appropriate ways to display the data. See http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Creating_textbooks for an outline and a list of partners. > 3. QA - well not really - OLPC has already sent ~75 machines out a few > months back for people to do QA on - and we hope that those people > will return to help us, so we aren't actively looking for QA help, but > if someone with extensive QA experience and lots of time presents > itself we won't pass it up. > > I really seek your comments and suggestions here - I have 6 months to > prove that the community can handle and succeed at this program, and > really I have a larger of goal of wanting the 'holy list' accomplished > at the end of the 6 months and thus a usable 4th grade math curriculum > available. Let's talk about coordinating with the textbook project, and whether the Fedora Ambassadors and Red Hat itself would like to be listed as partners. > Thoughts?? Comments?? Flames?? More! MORE!! -- Silent Thunder (??/???????????????/????????????? ?) is my name And Children are my nation. The Cosmos is my dwelling place, The Truth my destination. http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/User:Mokurai (Ed Cherlin) From kwade at redhat.com Tue Feb 10 18:58:21 2009 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten Wade) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 10:58:21 -0800 Subject: looking to take some sugar-* packages Message-ID: <20090210185821.GS4142@calliope.phig.org> Hey. I'm new to Sugar and OLPC packaging, but I'd like to take some of the low(er) fruit from folks who can be better busy working on stuff I don't understand ... such as coding. :) Asking on #fedora-olpc, it looks like some/all of these would be a good place to help: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/OLPC/Packages_for_F11#sugar-artwork 'sugar-artwork' seems one that I can handle. Other than tracking upstream and such, could I also help with some of the others? Such as 'sugar-toolkit'. On the Sugar activities listed on the above page, do those packages need maintainers as well? cheers - Karsten -- Karsten 'quaid' Wade, Community Gardener http://quaid.fedorapeople.org AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From simon at schampijer.de Wed Feb 11 07:54:42 2009 From: simon at schampijer.de (Simon Schampijer) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 08:54:42 +0100 Subject: looking to take some sugar-* packages In-Reply-To: <20090210185821.GS4142@calliope.phig.org> References: <20090210185821.GS4142@calliope.phig.org> Message-ID: <49928442.7050100@schampijer.de> Karsten Wade wrote: > Hey. I'm new to Sugar and OLPC packaging, but I'd like to take some > of the low(er) fruit from folks who can be better busy working on > stuff I don't understand ... such as coding. :) > > Asking on #fedora-olpc, it looks like some/all of these would be a > good place to help: > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/OLPC/Packages_for_F11#sugar-artwork > > 'sugar-artwork' seems one that I can handle. Other than tracking > upstream and such, could I also help with some of the others? Such as > 'sugar-toolkit'. > > On the Sugar activities listed on the above page, do those packages > need maintainers as well? > > cheers - Karsten Oh, you can absolutely help with packaging. It is mostly updating the when the Sucrose (Sugar and activities) releases are out. Instructions can be found at: http://git.sugarlabs.org/projects/sugar/repos/mainline/blobs/master/docs/release_howto.txt We can try this out directly by the end of the week - we will have a new Sucrose release on Friday ;) Request permissions (instructions in the link above) for the packages you want to package and start packaging when the tarballs are available. For direct questions and issues you can catch me as well on irc (#sugar), my nick is 'erikos'. Thanks for stepping up, Simon From bernie at codewiz.org Wed Feb 11 16:28:06 2009 From: bernie at codewiz.org (Bernie Innocenti) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 17:28:06 +0100 Subject: Build intrastructure In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4992FC96.6090401@codewiz.org> [cc += sugar-devel@] Marco Pesenti Gritti wrote: >> As Peter suggested, I should look at getting nightly builds set up soon. >> Would you like to share infrastructure so that the build run spits out >> SoaS images at the same as F11-XO images? If so, any preference for >> whether to do it on an OLPC machine or on something like sunjammer? > > Sharing infra on this makes a lot of sense to me. Personally I have no > preference about where to host it. Bernie, what do you think? Is this > something we can host? I guess we will need a rawhide box/VM. We can provide shell accounts on our buildslaves to anyone interested in running nightly builds. We currently have 4 of them: buildslave1.sugarlabs.org Fedora 10 x86_64 buildslave2.sugarlabs.org Fedora rawhide x86_64 buildslave3.sugarlabs.org OFFLINE buildslave4.sugarlabs.org Ubuntu 8.10 Please, avoid using your shell accounts on sunjammer for heavy-duty jobs such as daily rebuilds. If you must, at least run these things with "nice -n 15 ionice -n 5 -c 3" to keep it from slowing down other users too much. Please also avoid using shell accounts on solarsail and trinity as we're going to phase them out at some point. -- // Bernie Innocenti - http://www.codewiz.org/ \X/ Sugar Labs - http://www.sugarlabs.org/ From dfarning at sugarlabs.org Wed Feb 11 22:06:02 2009 From: dfarning at sugarlabs.org (David Farning) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 16:06:02 +1800 Subject: [Sugar-devel] Build intrastructure In-Reply-To: <4992FC96.6090401@codewiz.org> References: <4992FC96.6090401@codewiz.org> Message-ID: On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 10:28 AM, Bernie Innocenti wrote: > [cc += sugar-devel@] > > Marco Pesenti Gritti wrote: >>> As Peter suggested, I should look at getting nightly builds set up soon. >>> Would you like to share infrastructure so that the build run spits out >>> SoaS images at the same as F11-XO images? If so, any preference for >>> whether to do it on an OLPC machine or on something like sunjammer? >> >> Sharing infra on this makes a lot of sense to me. Personally I have no >> preference about where to host it. Bernie, what do you think? Is this >> something we can host? I guess we will need a rawhide box/VM. > > We can provide shell accounts on our buildslaves to anyone interested > in running nightly builds. We currently have 4 of them: > > buildslave1.sugarlabs.org Fedora 10 x86_64 > buildslave2.sugarlabs.org Fedora rawhide x86_64 > buildslave3.sugarlabs.org OFFLINE > buildslave4.sugarlabs.org Ubuntu 8.10 Marco, Correct me if I am wrong: bs1 is working correctly bs2 has a kernel version issue. It works fine as a build bot, but your can run soas from it bs3 is down bs4 is now online, running as a buildbot. I can create users as necessary on these machines. So, we can let Bernie can focus on real 'developer' issues:) david From gdk at redhat.com Wed Feb 11 23:00:53 2009 From: gdk at redhat.com (Greg Dekoenigsberg) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 18:00:53 -0500 (EST) Subject: Meeting status tomorrow: unsure. Message-ID: All right. We are *supposed* to have a meeting scheduled for tomorrow at 1300 Eastern US time, which is 1800 UTC. #fedora-olpc on freenode. However, I'm a bit nervous about the prospect of wasting people's time. Here's the thing, and it pains me to admit it: I'm not sure where we are, exactly. I've had a good bit less official job time to devote to this effort lately, and our current status is a bit of a mystery to me. Here's what I think I know: * We've got lots of packages queued up for acceptance into F-11, and SMParrish has been reviewing new stuff like mad. Yay! * Marco tracked down the weird boot issues with rawhide and the XO, and those should now be fixed. Yay! * People are tackling individual issues as they find them. Yay! All of this is great. However: * It's still unclear to me which packages in dist-olpc4 are building because they have to build, and which have simply not been untagged; * It's still unclear to me which necessary packages are still sitting in joyride and have yet to be brought into rawhide; * The process for keeping track of all of this is currently in poor shape, which is, admittedly, my fault. So I'd like to step back and ask a question. Since the goal is to create a bootable build of F-11 on the XO -- how is that process going? I know there have been discussions; where are we, right now, with this process? I'm wondering if it might not be the best idea, at this point, to go ahead and start working backwards from rawhide, and see what's busted, and start tracking that in bugzilla. I welcome people's thoughts. --g -- Got an XO that you're not using? Loan it to a needy developer! [[ http://wiki.laptop.org/go/XO_Exchange_Registry ]] From pbrobinson at gmail.com Wed Feb 11 23:36:56 2009 From: pbrobinson at gmail.com (Peter Robinson) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 00:36:56 +0100 Subject: Meeting status tomorrow: unsure. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5256d0b0902111536s1c2b30eeo857c9a95408b0d43@mail.gmail.com> > However, I'm a bit nervous about the prospect of wasting people's time. > Here's the thing, and it pains me to admit it: I'm not sure where we are, > exactly. I've had a good bit less official job time to devote to this > effort lately, and our current status is a bit of a mystery to me. Agreed it all seems a bit mish-mash. > * We've got lots of packages queued up for acceptance into F-11, and > SMParrish has been reviewing new stuff like mad. Yay! Is there a tracker or have they been added to the existing OLPC in Fedora tracker bug. Makes it easier to see what the current status is. > * Marco tracked down the weird boot issues with rawhide and the XO, and > those should now be fixed. Yay! Wicked! This is good work. Now i have a XO next on my list is booting rawhide on SD. > * People are tackling individual issues as they find them. Yay! > > All of this is great. However: > > * It's still unclear to me which packages in dist-olpc4 are building because > they have to build, and which have simply not been untagged; > > * It's still unclear to me which necessary packages are still sitting in > joyride and have yet to be brought into rawhide; > > * The process for keeping track of all of this is currently in poor shape, > which is, admittedly, my fault. The (your) page on the wiki is pretty close to my understanding, See the email I sent you earlier, and the thread I started about moving joyride to rawhide. > So I'd like to step back and ask a question. > > Since the goal is to create a bootable build of F-11 on the XO -- how is > that process going? I know there have been discussions; where are we, right > now, with this process? Well if the boot issues on XO on rawhide are fixed it seems we're there in the basics. The question of using a base F-11 in replacement of 9.1.0 as far as I'm aware comes down to the question of rainbow and the associated changes to the boot process (kernel/initscript/olpcrd/upstart/dbus) which unfortunately is down to a few people that have sufficient understanding to be able to deal with that. > I'm wondering if it might not be the best idea, at this point, to go ahead > and start working backwards from rawhide, and see what's busted, and start > tracking that in bugzilla. >From my point of view that's sort of what I'm trying to do. I know I can't deal with the whole rainbow/kernel stuff but where possible I'm tracking/filing bugs testing etc. Compared to where we were at with the rebase to F-10 when I first started to get involved I think we're alot better off than we were. Peter From gdk at redhat.com Wed Feb 11 23:46:01 2009 From: gdk at redhat.com (Greg Dekoenigsberg) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 18:46:01 -0500 (EST) Subject: Meeting status tomorrow: unsure. In-Reply-To: <5256d0b0902111536s1c2b30eeo857c9a95408b0d43@mail.gmail.com> References: <5256d0b0902111536s1c2b30eeo857c9a95408b0d43@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 12 Feb 2009, Peter Robinson wrote: > Wicked! This is good work. Now i have a XO next on my list is booting > rawhide on SD. Well, now apparently the issues are as Marco describes them here: http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.laptop.olpc.devel/22270/focus=22303 * console completely screwed up, which makes debugging a pain. * jffs2 related kernel trace while booting, does not seem to break things. * Network related kernel panic at the end. Sometimes halt the system, sometimes it doesn't. * X does not start for some reason. So some issues are fixed, but others are cropping up now. > Well if the boot issues on XO on rawhide are fixed it seems we're there > in the basics. The question of using a base F-11 in replacement of 9.1.0 > as far as I'm aware comes down to the question of rainbow and the > associated changes to the boot process > (kernel/initscript/olpcrd/upstart/dbus) which unfortunately is down to a > few people that have sufficient understanding to be able to deal with > that. > >> I'm wondering if it might not be the best idea, at this point, to go ahead >> and start working backwards from rawhide, and see what's busted, and start >> tracking that in bugzilla. > > From my point of view that's sort of what I'm trying to do. I know I > can't deal with the whole rainbow/kernel stuff but where possible I'm > tracking/filing bugs testing etc. Compared to where we were at with > the rebase to F-10 when I first started to get involved I think we're > alot better off than we were. Well, we've got about a month until freeze. It's not hopeless, but I'd really like to get closer to booting into... something. cjb: can you make your latest tinderbox image available so that other people can try to install it as well, and maybe get better insights into what's busted, exactly? --g -- Got an XO that you're not using? Loan it to a needy developer! [[ http://wiki.laptop.org/go/XO_Exchange_Registry ]] From pbrobinson at gmail.com Thu Feb 12 00:06:06 2009 From: pbrobinson at gmail.com (Peter Robinson) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 01:06:06 +0100 Subject: Meeting status tomorrow: unsure. In-Reply-To: References: <5256d0b0902111536s1c2b30eeo857c9a95408b0d43@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5256d0b0902111606w795bdb81r10646c82d32e9f9d@mail.gmail.com> >> Wicked! This is good work. Now i have a XO next on my list is booting >> rawhide on SD. > > Well, now apparently the issues are as Marco describes them here: > > http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.laptop.olpc.devel/22270/focus=22303 > > * console completely screwed up, which makes debugging a pain. > * jffs2 related kernel trace while booting, does not seem to break things. > * Network related kernel panic at the end. Sometimes halt the system, > sometimes it doesn't. > * X does not start for some reason. > > So some issues are fixed, but others are cropping up now. Some how managed to miss that thread entirely. But in todays rawhide it lookgs like the mkliveinitrd is fixed (RHBZ 484496 as Marco filed). I can't help but think the first and forth issues must be tied somehow to X and the associated DRM/GEM changes that have gone into the kernel. The XO X driver dev seems to trail somewhat. Do any of the RH X devs such as ajax have an XO in their hands out of interest? Peter From cjb at laptop.org Thu Feb 12 00:08:24 2009 From: cjb at laptop.org (Chris Ball) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 19:08:24 -0500 Subject: Meeting status tomorrow: unsure. In-Reply-To: <5256d0b0902111606w795bdb81r10646c82d32e9f9d@mail.gmail.com> (Peter Robinson's message of "Thu, 12 Feb 2009 01:06:06 +0100") References: <5256d0b0902111536s1c2b30eeo857c9a95408b0d43@mail.gmail.com> <5256d0b0902111606w795bdb81r10646c82d32e9f9d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi, > I can't help but think the first and forth issues must be tied > somehow to X and the associated DRM/GEM changes that have gone into > the kernel. The XO X driver dev seems to trail somewhat. Do any of > the RH X devs such as ajax have an XO in their hands out of > interest? I think I just became the upstream maintainer for the Geode X driver, so it makes sense for me to look at the X crash. Ajax has an XO too, yeah. The kernel console should be independent of DRM and X, so I don't yet have much of a clue about why that's not working. Thanks, - Chris. -- Chris Ball From smparrish at shallowcreek.net Thu Feb 12 13:39:09 2009 From: smparrish at shallowcreek.net (Steven M. Parrish) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 08:39:09 -0500 Subject: Meeting status tomorrow: unsure. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200902120839.10131.smparrish@shallowcreek.net> On Wednesday 11 February 2009 18:00:53 Greg Dekoenigsberg wrote: > All right. We are *supposed* to have a meeting scheduled for tomorrow at > 1300 Eastern US time, which is 1800 UTC. #fedora-olpc on freenode. > > However, I'm a bit nervous about the prospect of wasting people's time. > Here's the thing, and it pains me to admit it: I'm not sure where we are, > exactly. I've had a good bit less official job time to devote to this > effort lately, and our current status is a bit of a mystery to me. > > Here's what I think I know: > > * We've got lots of packages queued up for acceptance into F-11, and > SMParrish has been reviewing new stuff like mad. Yay! This is the list of sugar packages still needing review: However they have issues which currently prevent a final review/inclusion in Fedora. sugar-read https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=467642 - Pending rebuild with new gnome-python2-evince sugar-record https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=476435 - Comments from the request : I guess that there will be more to do on this - package because it is not noarch and the camera stuff will not work on - Fedora. sugar-tamtam-common https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=478381 - License issues corrected. Awaiting branch merge and new tarballs sugar-tamtam-edit https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=478382 - License issues corrected. Awaiting branch merge and new tarballs sugar-tamtam-jam https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=478383 - Depends on sugar-tamtam-common sugar-tamtam-mini https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=478384 - Depends on sugar-tamtam-common sugar-tamtam-synthlab https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=478385 - Depends on sugar-tamtam-common sugar-update-control https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=481333 - My package so I cant review it If anyone knows of any other packages that need review for Sugar please let me know > > * Marco tracked down the weird boot issues with rawhide and the XO, and > those should now be fixed. Yay! > > * People are tackling individual issues as they find them. Yay! > > All of this is great. However: > > * It's still unclear to me which packages in dist-olpc4 are building > because they have to build, and which have simply not been untagged; > > * It's still unclear to me which necessary packages are still sitting in > joyride and have yet to be brought into rawhide; > > * The process for keeping track of all of this is currently in poor shape, > which is, admittedly, my fault. > > So I'd like to step back and ask a question. > > Since the goal is to create a bootable build of F-11 on the XO -- how is > that process going? I know there have been discussions; where are we, > right now, with this process? > > I'm wondering if it might not be the best idea, at this point, to go ahead > and start working backwards from rawhide, and see what's busted, and start > tracking that in bugzilla. > > I welcome people's thoughts. > > --g > > -- > Got an XO that you're not using? Loan it to a needy developer! > [[ http://wiki.laptop.org/go/XO_Exchange_Registry ]] > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-olpc-list mailing list > Fedora-olpc-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-olpc-list From pbrobinson at gmail.com Thu Feb 12 13:52:00 2009 From: pbrobinson at gmail.com (Peter Robinson) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 14:52:00 +0100 Subject: Meeting status tomorrow: unsure. In-Reply-To: <200902120839.10131.smparrish@shallowcreek.net> References: <200902120839.10131.smparrish@shallowcreek.net> Message-ID: <5256d0b0902120552h1c28d8d1k63eb524200d84d52@mail.gmail.com> > If anyone knows of any other packages that need review for Sugar please let me > know There's a tracking bug for OLPC issues in Fedora here https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=462625 so feel free to add any outstanding bugs to it for tracking. Peter From gdk at redhat.com Thu Feb 12 18:25:48 2009 From: gdk at redhat.com (Greg Dekoenigsberg) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 13:25:48 -0500 (EST) Subject: Help debug latest rawhide images Message-ID: In lieu of an actual meeting... Chris Ball will be publishing the url for a rawhide-based iso image suitable for burning to USB key later today. Everyone with XOs: *please* burn and try to boot from USB using this image. Help us debug boot failures, either on-list or in #fedora-olpc. This is pretty much the critical path. Help if you can. --g -- Got an XO that you're not using? Loan it to a needy developer! [[ http://wiki.laptop.org/go/XO_Exchange_Registry ]] From cjb at laptop.org Thu Feb 12 20:41:34 2009 From: cjb at laptop.org (Chris Ball) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 15:41:34 -0500 Subject: Help debug latest rawhide images In-Reply-To: (Greg Dekoenigsberg's message of "Thu, 12 Feb 2009 13:25:48 -0500 (EST)") References: Message-ID: Hi, > In lieu of an actual meeting... Chris Ball will be publishing the > url for a rawhide-based iso image suitable for burning to USB key > later today. Well, I'll keep going, but I'm having some pretty bad luck. First I tried making an SD card. It gets to plymouth okay, which exposes a nice example of the console corruption we're seeing: http://dev.laptop.org/~cjb/dscn1382.jpg And a blurry version of the text console showing the same effect: http://dev.laptop.org/~cjb/dscn1385.jpg Jordan, any ideas on what that could be? After that, we're held up by an error using the SD card, which looks like this: mmcblk0: mmc0:e624 SD04G 3.79 GiB mmcblk0:<3>mmc0: Timeout waiting for hardware interrupt. sdhci: ============== REGISTER DUMP ============== sdhci: Sys addr: 0x0c411000 | Version: 0x00000000 sdhci: Blk size: 0x00007200 | Blk cnt: 0x00000000 sdhci: Argument: 0x00000000 | Trn mode: 0x00000033 sdhci: Present: 0x01ff0000 | Host ctl: 0x00000007 sdhci: Power: 0x0000000d | Blk gap: 0x00000000 sdhci: Wake-up: 0x00000000 | Clock: 0x00000007 sdhci: Timeout: 0x0000000e | Int stat: 0x00000000 sdhci: Int enab: 0x00ff00fb | Sig enab: 0x00ff00fb sdhci: AC12 err: 0x00000000 | Slot int: 0x00000000 sdhci: Caps: 0x03e030b0 | Max curr: 0x00000000 sdhci: =========================================== mmcblk0: retrying using single block read p1 modprobe used greatest stack depth: 1560 bytes left mmc0: Timeout waiting for hardware interrupt. sdhci: ============== REGISTER DUMP ============== sdhci: Sys addr: 0x0c411000 | Version: 0x00000000 sdhci: Blk size: 0x00007200 | Blk cnt: 0x00000000 sdhci: Argument: 0x00000000 | Trn mode: 0x00000033 sdhci: Present: 0x01ff0000 | Host ctl: 0x00000007 sdhci: Power: 0x0000000d | Blk gap: 0x00000000 sdhci: Wake-up: 0x00000000 | Clock: 0x00000007 sdhci: Timeout: 0x0000000e | Int stat: 0x00000000 sdhci: Int enab: 0x00ff00fb | Sig enab: 0x00ff00fb sdhci: AC12 err: 0x00000000 | Slot int: 0x00000000 sdhci: Caps: 0x03e030b0 | Max curr: 0x00000000 sdhci: =========================================== Pierre, any ideas on what could cause this? Full dmesg is at: http://dev.laptop.org/~cjb/rawhide-sd.log I'll move on to trying NAND and USB now. - Chris. -- Chris Ball From cjb at laptop.org Thu Feb 12 23:10:22 2009 From: cjb at laptop.org (Chris Ball) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 18:10:22 -0500 Subject: Help debug latest rawhide images In-Reply-To: (Greg Dekoenigsberg's message of "Thu, 12 Feb 2009 13:25:48 -0500 (EST)") References: Message-ID: Hi, > In lieu of an actual meeting... Chris Ball will be publishing the > url for a rawhide-based iso image suitable for burning to USB key > later today. Tried to boot from NAND, and I get the following lockup reliably: http://dev.laptop.org/~cjb/rawhide-nand BUG: spinlock lockup on CPU#0, NetworkManager/3149, cc488e7c (Not tainted) Marco, did you see this crash? Here's the image, suitable for "copy-nand": http://dev.laptop.org/~cjb/rawhide-xo/ - Chris. -- Chris Ball From cjb at laptop.org Fri Feb 13 00:01:10 2009 From: cjb at laptop.org (Chris Ball) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 19:01:10 -0500 Subject: Help debug latest rawhide images In-Reply-To: (Chris Ball's message of "Thu, 12 Feb 2009 15:41:34 -0500") References: Message-ID: Hi, > Well, I'll keep going, but I'm having some pretty bad luck. First > I tried making an SD card. It gets to plymouth okay, which exposes > a nice example of the console corruption we're seeing: We can fix this with "fbset -xres 1200 -yres 900 -vxres 1200 -vyres 900 --timings 17460 24 8 4 5 8 3 -depth 16". We shouldn't have to, though, and the reason we do is that the Rawhide kernel is (unsurprisingly) built without CONFIG_OLPC=y. Kyle suggested (in seriousness, I think) that we could turn on CONFIG_OLPC=y for the Fedora i586 kernel, as long as it doesn't break other machines. Andres Salomon says it shouldn't, so that looks like the plan of attack: * build the rawhide i586 kernel with CONFIG_OLPC=y, boot it on a random machine * check that everything works, e.g. audio, suspend/resume If someone wants to beat me to it, that'd be awesome. If not, I'll get to it. Thanks, - Chris. -- Chris Ball From katzj at redhat.com Fri Feb 13 01:46:28 2009 From: katzj at redhat.com (Jeremy Katz) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 20:46:28 -0500 Subject: Help debug latest rawhide images In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20090213014627.GA550@redhat.com> On Thursday, February 12 2009, Chris Ball said: > > Well, I'll keep going, but I'm having some pretty bad luck. First > > I tried making an SD card. It gets to plymouth okay, which exposes > > a nice example of the console corruption we're seeing: > > We can fix this with "fbset -xres 1200 -yres 900 -vxres 1200 -vyres 900 > --timings 17460 24 8 4 5 8 3 -depth 16". We shouldn't have to, though, > and the reason we do is that the Rawhide kernel is (unsurprisingly) > built without CONFIG_OLPC=y. > > Kyle suggested (in seriousness, I think) that we could turn on > CONFIG_OLPC=y for the Fedora i586 kernel, as long as it doesn't break > other machines. Andres Salomon says it shouldn't, so that looks like > the plan of attack: CONFIG_OLPC=y is already set in config-x86-generic, so it should be getting set (and it was in F10). And actually, it's set in the i586 built config from grabbing the package and looking Jeremy From cjb at laptop.org Fri Feb 13 02:46:30 2009 From: cjb at laptop.org (Chris Ball) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 21:46:30 -0500 Subject: Help debug latest rawhide images In-Reply-To: <20090213014627.GA550@redhat.com> (Jeremy Katz's message of "Thu, 12 Feb 2009 20:46:28 -0500") References: <20090213014627.GA550@redhat.com> Message-ID: Hi, > CONFIG_OLPC=y is already set in config-x86-generic, so it should be > getting set (and it was in F10). And actually, it's set in the > i586 built config from grabbing the package and looking Hey, check that out. Thanks, Jeremy! Marco and Sebastian, we should do s/^kernel$/kernel.i586/ in our kickstart configs. - Chris. -- Chris Ball From katzj at redhat.com Fri Feb 13 02:52:15 2009 From: katzj at redhat.com (Jeremy Katz) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 21:52:15 -0500 Subject: Help debug latest rawhide images In-Reply-To: References: <20090213014627.GA550@redhat.com> Message-ID: <20090213025214.GD550@redhat.com> On Thursday, February 12 2009, Chris Ball said: > > CONFIG_OLPC=y is already set in config-x86-generic, so it should be > > getting set (and it was in F10). And actually, it's set in the > > i586 built config from grabbing the package and looking > > Hey, check that out. Thanks, Jeremy! > > Marco and Sebastian, we should do s/^kernel$/kernel.i586/ in our > kickstart configs. There isn't a kernel.i686 anymore -- just kernel.i586 and kernel-PAE.i686. And the i686 kernel ran fine on the XO (the geode supports cmov) Jeremy From cjb at laptop.org Fri Feb 13 03:17:59 2009 From: cjb at laptop.org (Chris Ball) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 22:17:59 -0500 Subject: Help debug latest rawhide images In-Reply-To: <20090213025214.GD550@redhat.com> (Jeremy Katz's message of "Thu, 12 Feb 2009 21:52:15 -0500") References: <20090213014627.GA550@redhat.com> <20090213025214.GD550@redhat.com> Message-ID: Hi, > There isn't a kernel.i686 anymore -- just kernel.i586 and > kernel-PAE.i686. And the i686 kernel ran fine on the XO (the geode > supports cmov) Oh! So we were *already* using CONFIG_OLPC=y, and the mode selection is going screwy for a different reason. Perhaps this is our problem, then: drivers/video/geode/lxfb_core.c:230: static void __init get_modedb(struct fb_videomode **modedb, unsigned int *size) { if (olpc_has_dcon()) { *modedb = (struct fb_videomode *) olpc_dcon_modedb; *size = ARRAY_SIZE(olpc_dcon_modedb); } else { *modedb = (struct fb_videomode *) geode_modedb; *size = ARRAY_SIZE(geode_modedb); } } Looks like olpc_has_dcon() is set by the olpc_dcon kernel module's init(). Looks like the olpc_dcon module didn't make it upstream. Andres, was it submitted? Anything we can work on? Thanks, - Chris. -- Chris Ball From buildbot at sugarlabs.org Fri Feb 13 06:11:43 2009 From: buildbot at sugarlabs.org (buildbot at sugarlabs.org) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 06:11:43 +0000 Subject: buildbot failure in Sugar Labs Buildbot on GConf-dbus-Fedora10 Message-ID: <20090213061143.E93F720C07B@sunjammer.sugarlabs.org> The Buildbot has detected a failed build of GConf-dbus-Fedora10 on Sugar Labs Buildbot. Full details are available at: http://buildbot.sugarlabs.org/builders/GConf-dbus-Fedora10/builds/79 Buildbot URL: http://buildbot.sugarlabs.org/ Buildslave for this Build: Fedora10 Build Reason: Build Source Stamp: HEAD Blamelist: BUILD FAILED: failed GConf-dbus build sincerely, -The Buildbot From pbrobinson at gmail.com Fri Feb 13 10:18:14 2009 From: pbrobinson at gmail.com (Peter Robinson) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 11:18:14 +0100 Subject: Help debug latest rawhide images In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5256d0b0902130218q35c0d7d1ndcd8293a8df1ec35@mail.gmail.com> > In lieu of an actual meeting... Chris Ball will be publishing the url for a > rawhide-based iso image suitable for burning to USB key later today. > > Everyone with XOs: *please* burn and try to boot from USB using this image. > Help us debug boot failures, either on-list or in #fedora-olpc. This is > pretty much the critical path. Help if you can. Is there an up to date howto somewhere for booting the XO off SD? Yesterday I did an "install to disk" of a F11 aplha liveCD to a 4gig SD card so its a standard install. I then booted it from SD and "yum update"d it when running on my eeePC as I figured it might be the quickest way to update it. But I can't get it to boot off the SD card on the XO. I even installed bootfw from joyride so I had a olpc.fth. It updated the firmware so it can obv see the SD card but when I try to boot I get a error to do with not being about to find the boot device. Any hints? BTW rawhide doesn't look so great booting on the eeePC at the moment either. Yesterdays kernel OOPSed part way through boot and that was it! The kernel from the F11 alpha has a number of errors, some which looks similar to the ones chris was seeing as well. Cheers, Peter From bochecha at fedoraproject.org Fri Feb 13 13:02:05 2009 From: bochecha at fedoraproject.org (Mathieu Bridon (bochecha)) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 14:02:05 +0100 Subject: Fwd: Help debug latest rawhide images In-Reply-To: <2d319b780902130501s7eb70485s3d1fcf58ea59250d@mail.gmail.com> References: <2d319b780902130501s7eb70485s3d1fcf58ea59250d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2d319b780902130502h1b4f65bbj5a44501e85bbb960@mail.gmail.com> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) Date: Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 2:01 PM Subject: Re: Help debug latest rawhide images To: Greg Dekoenigsberg Hi, > In lieu of an actual meeting... Chris Ball will be publishing the url for a > rawhide-based iso image suitable for burning to USB key later today. Sorry, I couldn't be online yesterday, so I didn't get this URL. Could someone send it again ? > Everyone with XOs: *please* burn and try to boot from USB using this image. > Help us debug boot failures, either on-list or in #fedora-olpc. This is > pretty much the critical path. Help if you can. Will do tonight and / or this week end. --------------------------------------------------- Oops, sent only to Greg instead of the whole list. Sorry for the inconvenience... :-/ ---------- Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) French Fedora Ambassador ---------- "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." ~Benjamin Franklin From katzj at redhat.com Fri Feb 13 15:23:42 2009 From: katzj at redhat.com (Jeremy Katz) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 10:23:42 -0500 Subject: Help debug latest rawhide images In-Reply-To: <5256d0b0902130218q35c0d7d1ndcd8293a8df1ec35@mail.gmail.com> References: <5256d0b0902130218q35c0d7d1ndcd8293a8df1ec35@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090213152342.GB1581@redhat.com> On Friday, February 13 2009, Peter Robinson said: > > In lieu of an actual meeting... Chris Ball will be publishing the url for a > > rawhide-based iso image suitable for burning to USB key later today. > > > > Everyone with XOs: *please* burn and try to boot from USB using this image. > > Help us debug boot failures, either on-list or in #fedora-olpc. This is > > pretty much the critical path. Help if you can. > > Is there an up to date howto somewhere for booting the XO off SD? https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/TestPlans/Fedora10_On_XO should still be the valid bits (basically, livecd-iso-to-disk using the --xo flag) Jeremy From buildbot at sugarlabs.org Fri Feb 13 18:11:44 2009 From: buildbot at sugarlabs.org (buildbot at sugarlabs.org) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 18:11:44 +0000 Subject: buildbot failure in Sugar Labs Buildbot on GConf-dbus-Fedora10 Message-ID: <20090213181144.14D7E20C06D@sunjammer.sugarlabs.org> The Buildbot has detected a failed build of GConf-dbus-Fedora10 on Sugar Labs Buildbot. Full details are available at: http://buildbot.sugarlabs.org/builders/GConf-dbus-Fedora10/builds/80 Buildbot URL: http://buildbot.sugarlabs.org/ Buildslave for this Build: Fedora10 Build Reason: Build Source Stamp: HEAD Blamelist: BUILD FAILED: failed GConf-dbus build sincerely, -The Buildbot From gdk at redhat.com Fri Feb 13 18:16:03 2009 From: gdk at redhat.com (Greg Dekoenigsberg) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 13:16:03 -0500 (EST) Subject: buildbot failure in Sugar Labs Buildbot on GConf-dbus-Fedora10 In-Reply-To: <20090213181144.14D7E20C06D@sunjammer.sugarlabs.org> References: <20090213181144.14D7E20C06D@sunjammer.sugarlabs.org> Message-ID: On Fri, 13 Feb 2009, buildbot at sugarlabs.org wrote: > The Buildbot has detected a failed build of GConf-dbus-Fedora10 on Sugar Labs Buildbot. > Full details are available at: > http://buildbot.sugarlabs.org/builders/GConf-dbus-Fedora10/builds/80 > > Buildbot URL: http://buildbot.sugarlabs.org/ > > Buildslave for this Build: Fedora10 > > Build Reason: > Build Source Stamp: HEAD > Blamelist: > > BUILD FAILED: failed GConf-dbus build > > sincerely, > -The Buildbot So. I have a bunch of questions. 1. What's being built here? 2. Who is our buildmaster? 3. Why is GConf-dbus failing in this build? 4. If we can't answer all of these questions, is such a notification useful? --g -- Got an XO that you're not using? Loan it to a needy developer! [[ http://wiki.laptop.org/go/XO_Exchange_Registry ]] From buildbot at sugarlabs.org Fri Feb 13 18:20:47 2009 From: buildbot at sugarlabs.org (buildbot at sugarlabs.org) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 18:20:47 +0000 Subject: buildbot failure in Sugar Labs Buildbot on log-activity-Fedora10 Message-ID: <20090213182048.0B81820C06D@sunjammer.sugarlabs.org> The Buildbot has detected a failed build of log-activity-Fedora10 on Sugar Labs Buildbot. Full details are available at: http://buildbot.sugarlabs.org/builders/log-activity-Fedora10/builds/73 Buildbot URL: http://buildbot.sugarlabs.org/ Buildslave for this Build: Fedora10 Build Reason: Build Source Stamp: HEAD Blamelist: BUILD FAILED: failed log-activity update sincerely, -The Buildbot From buildbot at sugarlabs.org Fri Feb 13 18:22:20 2009 From: buildbot at sugarlabs.org (buildbot at sugarlabs.org) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 18:22:20 +0000 Subject: buildbot failure in Sugar Labs Buildbot on log-activity-Fedora-Rawhide Message-ID: <20090213182220.4B7A720C06D@sunjammer.sugarlabs.org> The Buildbot has detected a failed build of log-activity-Fedora-Rawhide on Sugar Labs Buildbot. Full details are available at: http://buildbot.sugarlabs.org/builders/log-activity-Fedora-Rawhide/builds/66 Buildbot URL: http://buildbot.sugarlabs.org/ Buildslave for this Build: Fedora-Rawhide Build Reason: Build Source Stamp: HEAD Blamelist: BUILD FAILED: failed log-activity update sincerely, -The Buildbot From buildbot at sugarlabs.org Fri Feb 13 19:10:49 2009 From: buildbot at sugarlabs.org (buildbot at sugarlabs.org) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 19:10:49 +0000 Subject: buildbot failure in Sugar Labs Buildbot on log-activity-Ubuntu804 Message-ID: <20090213191049.93E8B20C06D@sunjammer.sugarlabs.org> The Buildbot has detected a failed build of log-activity-Ubuntu804 on Sugar Labs Buildbot. Full details are available at: http://buildbot.sugarlabs.org/builders/log-activity-Ubuntu804/builds/4 Buildbot URL: http://buildbot.sugarlabs.org/ Buildslave for this Build: Ubuntu804 Build Reason: Build Source Stamp: HEAD Blamelist: BUILD FAILED: failed log-activity update sincerely, -The Buildbot From simon at schampijer.de Fri Feb 13 19:42:45 2009 From: simon at schampijer.de (Simon Schampijer) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 20:42:45 +0100 Subject: buildbot failure in Sugar Labs Buildbot on log-activity-Fedora10 In-Reply-To: <20090213182048.0B81820C06D@sunjammer.sugarlabs.org> References: <20090213182048.0B81820C06D@sunjammer.sugarlabs.org> Message-ID: <4995CD35.5050200@schampijer.de> buildbot at sugarlabs.org wrote: > The Buildbot has detected a failed build of log-activity-Fedora10 on Sugar Labs Buildbot. > Full details are available at: > http://buildbot.sugarlabs.org/builders/log-activity-Fedora10/builds/73 > > Buildbot URL: http://buildbot.sugarlabs.org/ > > Buildslave for this Build: Fedora10 > > Build Reason: > Build Source Stamp: HEAD > Blamelist: > > BUILD FAILED: failed log-activity update > > sincerely, > -The Buildbot I update the git url for Log to point to the sugarlabs repository - i guess that is not picked up by jhbuild automatically :/ Simon From dfarning at sugarlabs.org Fri Feb 13 20:02:57 2009 From: dfarning at sugarlabs.org (David Farning) Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2009 14:02:57 +1800 Subject: buildbot failure in Sugar Labs Buildbot on log-activity-Fedora10 In-Reply-To: <4995CD35.5050200@schampijer.de> References: <20090213182048.0B81820C06D@sunjammer.sugarlabs.org> <4995CD35.5050200@schampijer.de> Message-ID: On Sat, Feb 14, 2009 at 1:42 PM, Simon Schampijer wrote: > buildbot at sugarlabs.org wrote: >> >> The Buildbot has detected a failed build of log-activity-Fedora10 on Sugar >> Labs Buildbot. >> Full details are available at: >> http://buildbot.sugarlabs.org/builders/log-activity-Fedora10/builds/73 >> >> Buildbot URL: http://buildbot.sugarlabs.org/ >> >> Buildslave for this Build: Fedora10 >> >> Build Reason: Build Source Stamp: HEAD >> Blamelist: >> BUILD FAILED: failed log-activity update >> >> sincerely, >> -The Buildbot > > I update the git url for Log to point to the sugarlabs repository - i guess > that is not picked up by jhbuild automatically :/ > After an update to jhbuild, it currently needs to be restarted manually. When our infrastructure guys get time, I have have asked them to add a commit hook to git.sl.org That will allow us to take the correct action on commits. That is post .86 in terms of priority. tomeu, Do you have access to restart the buildmaster on sunjammer? david From cjb at laptop.org Sat Feb 14 00:32:16 2009 From: cjb at laptop.org (Chris Ball) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 19:32:16 -0500 Subject: Help debug latest rawhide images In-Reply-To: (Chris Ball's message of "Thu, 12 Feb 2009 22:17:59 -0500") References: <20090213014627.GA550@redhat.com> <20090213025214.GD550@redhat.com> Message-ID: Hi, > Looks like olpc_has_dcon() is set by the olpc_dcon kernel module's > init(). Looks like the olpc_dcon module didn't make it upstream. > Andres, was it submitted? Anything we can work on? Well, I was right about olpc_has_dcon() failing, and wrong about the reason why. This upstream commit breaks model detection, and reverting it gets the FB working again: http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=commit;h=e51a1ac2dfca9ad869471e88f828281db7e810c0 Next up is X, which is failing because it doesn't think a DCON is present, because /sys/platform/devices/dcon doesn't exist, because olpc_dcon isn't loaded, because it isn't upstream. I'll work on a better detection mechanism to put in the geode driver -- Jordan, any suggestions? - Chris. -- Chris Ball From buildbot at sugarlabs.org Sat Feb 14 06:11:54 2009 From: buildbot at sugarlabs.org (buildbot at sugarlabs.org) Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2009 06:11:54 +0000 Subject: buildbot failure in Sugar Labs Buildbot on GConf-dbus-Fedora10 Message-ID: <20090214061154.ABEB41E6001@sunjammer.sugarlabs.org> The Buildbot has detected a failed build of GConf-dbus-Fedora10 on Sugar Labs Buildbot. Full details are available at: http://buildbot.sugarlabs.org/builders/GConf-dbus-Fedora10/builds/81 Buildbot URL: http://buildbot.sugarlabs.org/ Buildslave for this Build: Fedora10 Build Reason: Build Source Stamp: HEAD Blamelist: BUILD FAILED: failed GConf-dbus build sincerely, -The Buildbot From buildbot at sugarlabs.org Sat Feb 14 06:21:08 2009 From: buildbot at sugarlabs.org (buildbot at sugarlabs.org) Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2009 06:21:08 +0000 Subject: buildbot failure in Sugar Labs Buildbot on log-activity-Fedora10 Message-ID: <20090214062108.A7EAD1E6001@sunjammer.sugarlabs.org> The Buildbot has detected a failed build of log-activity-Fedora10 on Sugar Labs Buildbot. Full details are available at: http://buildbot.sugarlabs.org/builders/log-activity-Fedora10/builds/74 Buildbot URL: http://buildbot.sugarlabs.org/ Buildslave for this Build: Fedora10 Build Reason: Build Source Stamp: HEAD Blamelist: BUILD FAILED: failed log-activity update sincerely, -The Buildbot From buildbot at sugarlabs.org Sat Feb 14 06:22:35 2009 From: buildbot at sugarlabs.org (buildbot at sugarlabs.org) Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2009 06:22:35 +0000 Subject: buildbot failure in Sugar Labs Buildbot on log-activity-Fedora-Rawhide Message-ID: <20090214062235.BBB661E6001@sunjammer.sugarlabs.org> The Buildbot has detected a failed build of log-activity-Fedora-Rawhide on Sugar Labs Buildbot. Full details are available at: http://buildbot.sugarlabs.org/builders/log-activity-Fedora-Rawhide/builds/67 Buildbot URL: http://buildbot.sugarlabs.org/ Buildslave for this Build: Fedora-Rawhide Build Reason: Build Source Stamp: HEAD Blamelist: BUILD FAILED: failed log-activity update sincerely, -The Buildbot From buildbot at sugarlabs.org Sat Feb 14 07:11:44 2009 From: buildbot at sugarlabs.org (buildbot at sugarlabs.org) Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2009 07:11:44 +0000 Subject: buildbot failure in Sugar Labs Buildbot on log-activity-Ubuntu804 Message-ID: <20090214071144.7738B1E6001@sunjammer.sugarlabs.org> The Buildbot has detected a failed build of log-activity-Ubuntu804 on Sugar Labs Buildbot. Full details are available at: http://buildbot.sugarlabs.org/builders/log-activity-Ubuntu804/builds/5 Buildbot URL: http://buildbot.sugarlabs.org/ Buildslave for this Build: Ubuntu804 Build Reason: Build Source Stamp: HEAD Blamelist: BUILD FAILED: failed log-activity update sincerely, -The Buildbot From bkreuter at redhat.com Sat Feb 14 19:27:38 2009 From: bkreuter at redhat.com (Benjamin Kreuter) Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2009 14:27:38 -0500 Subject: New developer Message-ID: <200902141427.43064.bkreuter@redhat.com> Hi everyone -- I am a new OLPC/XO developer. Is there a list of pressing issues that need to be addressed, or should I just find something interesting that needs work? I have an XO in my possession at the moment, so I can work on issues that might require that. -- Ben -- Message sent on: Sat Feb 14 14:18:56 EST 2009 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From dfarning at sugarlabs.org Sat Feb 14 19:42:18 2009 From: dfarning at sugarlabs.org (David Farning) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 13:42:18 +1800 Subject: New developer In-Reply-To: <200902141427.43064.bkreuter@redhat.com> References: <200902141427.43064.bkreuter@redhat.com> Message-ID: Welcome Ben, What are your interests? david You can ping me (or a real developer on) sugar#irc.freenode.net :) On Sun, Feb 15, 2009 at 1:27 PM, Benjamin Kreuter wrote: > Hi everyone -- > > I am a new OLPC/XO developer. Is there a list of pressing issues that need to > be addressed, or should I just find something interesting that needs work? I > have an XO in my possession at the moment, so I can work on issues that might > require that. > > -- Ben > > > > -- > Message sent on: Sat Feb 14 14:18:56 EST 2009 > > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-olpc-list mailing list > Fedora-olpc-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-olpc-list > From karlie_robinson at webpath.net Sun Feb 15 13:51:08 2009 From: karlie_robinson at webpath.net (Karlie Robinson) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 08:51:08 -0500 Subject: EdTechDay - Ithaca College (Upstate NY) Message-ID: <49981DCC.8030800@webpath.net> Good morning everyone. This came to my attention late but I am going to call tomorrow and see if there's any presentation slots available. I'd like to present the XO and the work that Fedora/OLPC (and On-Disk.com) do to further the educational needs of children everywhere. I'll keep you updated as I have information about my very late registration. ~Karlie From dfarning at sugarlabs.org Sun Feb 15 14:14:38 2009 From: dfarning at sugarlabs.org (David Farning) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 08:14:38 +1800 Subject: buildbot failure in Sugar Labs Buildbot on log-activity-Fedora10 In-Reply-To: <242851610902150237p367ec54fo9682e3837533f76b@mail.gmail.com> References: <20090213182048.0B81820C06D@sunjammer.sugarlabs.org> <4995CD35.5050200@schampijer.de> <242851610902150237p367ec54fo9682e3837533f76b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: #ssh sunjammer.sugarlabs.org #sudo su - buildmaster #cd sugar-jhbuild #cat twisted.pid #kill ??? #./sugar-jhbuild bot --start-server --daemon david On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 4:37 AM, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: > On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 21:02, David Farning wrote: >> On Sat, Feb 14, 2009 at 1:42 PM, Simon Schampijer wrote: >>> buildbot at sugarlabs.org wrote: >>>> >>>> The Buildbot has detected a failed build of log-activity-Fedora10 on Sugar >>>> Labs Buildbot. >>>> Full details are available at: >>>> http://buildbot.sugarlabs.org/builders/log-activity-Fedora10/builds/73 >>>> >>>> Buildbot URL: http://buildbot.sugarlabs.org/ >>>> >>>> Buildslave for this Build: Fedora10 >>>> >>>> Build Reason: Build Source Stamp: HEAD >>>> Blamelist: >>>> BUILD FAILED: failed log-activity update >>>> >>>> sincerely, >>>> -The Buildbot >>> >>> I update the git url for Log to point to the sugarlabs repository - i guess >>> that is not picked up by jhbuild automatically :/ >>> >> After an update to jhbuild, it currently needs to be restarted >> manually. When our infrastructure guys get time, I have have asked >> them to add a commit hook to git.sl.org That will allow us to take >> the correct action on commits. That is post .86 in terms of priority. >> >> tomeu, Do you have access to restart the buildmaster on sunjammer? > > Yes, how can I do that? > > Regards, > > Tomeu > From dfarning at sugarlabs.org Sun Feb 15 16:12:00 2009 From: dfarning at sugarlabs.org (David Farning) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 10:12:00 +1800 Subject: buildbot failure in Sugar Labs Buildbot on log-activity-Fedora10 In-Reply-To: <242851610902150739y580d6a98y2fb5dcf70cf2e277@mail.gmail.com> References: <20090213182048.0B81820C06D@sunjammer.sugarlabs.org> <4995CD35.5050200@schampijer.de> <242851610902150237p367ec54fo9682e3837533f76b@mail.gmail.com> <242851610902150739y580d6a98y2fb5dcf70cf2e277@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On a related note: Would it be reasonable to ask "Sascha Silbe" , to maintain sugar-jhbuild? I don't know him very well yet, but he has been contributing a steady stream of depschecks bugs:) We could give offer him commit access to sugar-jhbuild and or/a login to buildmaster at sunjammer.sugarlabs.org Sascha, please note this is a common problem with open source projects. If you show competency, you are at risk of being asked to assume authority and responsibility for something:) Anyone else interested in helping maintain the Sugar Labs build farm? It is almost identical to Gnome's infrastructure. ...and a good introduction to the infrastructure team. And let's face it, the various Sugar Labs services are starting to get on the order or 1000's of hits per day. That doesn't look bad on a resume. ...and bernie has been a pretty good teacher:) david On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 9:39 AM, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: > Ok. Breakers and fixers of sugar-jhbuild: please ping me whenever you > need buildbot restarted. > > Thanks, > > Tomeu > > On Sun, Feb 15, 2009 at 15:14, David Farning wrote: >> #ssh sunjammer.sugarlabs.org >> #sudo su - buildmaster >> #cd sugar-jhbuild >> #cat twisted.pid >> #kill ??? >> #./sugar-jhbuild bot --start-server --daemon >> >> david >> >> On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 4:37 AM, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: >>> On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 21:02, David Farning wrote: >>>> On Sat, Feb 14, 2009 at 1:42 PM, Simon Schampijer wrote: >>>>> buildbot at sugarlabs.org wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> The Buildbot has detected a failed build of log-activity-Fedora10 on Sugar >>>>>> Labs Buildbot. >>>>>> Full details are available at: >>>>>> http://buildbot.sugarlabs.org/builders/log-activity-Fedora10/builds/73 >>>>>> >>>>>> Buildbot URL: http://buildbot.sugarlabs.org/ >>>>>> >>>>>> Buildslave for this Build: Fedora10 >>>>>> >>>>>> Build Reason: Build Source Stamp: HEAD >>>>>> Blamelist: >>>>>> BUILD FAILED: failed log-activity update >>>>>> >>>>>> sincerely, >>>>>> -The Buildbot >>>>> >>>>> I update the git url for Log to point to the sugarlabs repository - i guess >>>>> that is not picked up by jhbuild automatically :/ >>>>> >>>> After an update to jhbuild, it currently needs to be restarted >>>> manually. When our infrastructure guys get time, I have have asked >>>> them to add a commit hook to git.sl.org That will allow us to take >>>> the correct action on commits. That is post .86 in terms of priority. >>>> >>>> tomeu, Do you have access to restart the buildmaster on sunjammer? >>> >>> Yes, how can I do that? >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Tomeu >>> >> > From cjb at laptop.org Mon Feb 16 00:49:14 2009 From: cjb at laptop.org (Chris Ball) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 19:49:14 -0500 Subject: Help debug latest rawhide images In-Reply-To: (Chris Ball's message of "Fri, 13 Feb 2009 19:32:16 -0500") References: <20090213014627.GA550@redhat.com> <20090213025214.GD550@redhat.com> Message-ID: Hi, > Well, I was right about olpc_has_dcon() failing, and wrong about > the reason why. This upstream commit breaks model detection, and > reverting it gets the FB working again: A proper fix is headed upstream now: http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/mingo/linux-2.6-x86.git;a=commit;h=e49590b6dd356f8ef10ba3531a29e5086f6f2e3a > Next up is X, which is failing because it doesn't think a DCON is > present, because /sys/platform/devices/dcon doesn't exist, because > olpc_dcon isn't loaded, because it isn't upstream. I'll work on a > better detection mechanism to put in the geode driver -- Jordan, > any suggestions? There were a few problems here: * The DCON detection problem above. I've solved this by just changing the test to point to a driver that's actually upstream: http://cgit.freedesktop.org/xorg/driver/xf86-video-geode/commit/?id=990ff710c6220cc3d1ba6b9e8fb972bd168b4472 * The current HEAD was segfaulting, also now solved in the driver. * I eventually worked out that "modprobe msr" is needed before starting the driver on Rawhide -- if you don't, you get a screen full of white snow. We'll need to get this logic ("if on an xo, do modprobe msr before X starts") into Fedora proper somehow. Any ideas? I'll release a new version of the X driver into Rawhide within a day or so, and the kernel patch above should make its way into Rawhide via Linus at a similar pace. Once both of these are applied, I'm happy to report that I can get to a functional GNOME desktop, using Sebastian's olpc-gnome kickstart file. The biggest problem left, then, is that we get a kernel hang when we try to use the wireless. First step here would be to exhibit the hang and find out where we're stuck by using sysrq. - Chris. -- Chris Ball From pbrobinson at gmail.com Mon Feb 16 10:14:47 2009 From: pbrobinson at gmail.com (Peter Robinson) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 11:14:47 +0100 Subject: Help debug latest rawhide images In-Reply-To: References: <20090213014627.GA550@redhat.com> <20090213025214.GD550@redhat.com> Message-ID: <5256d0b0902160214x52fda68q886f54cae687cbc3@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 1:49 AM, Chris Ball wrote: > Hi, > > > Well, I was right about olpc_has_dcon() failing, and wrong about > > the reason why. This upstream commit breaks model detection, and > > reverting it gets the FB working again: > > A proper fix is headed upstream now: > > http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/mingo/linux-2.6-x86.git;a=commit;h=e49590b6dd356f8ef10ba3531a29e5086f6f2e3a > > > Next up is X, which is failing because it doesn't think a DCON is > > present, because /sys/platform/devices/dcon doesn't exist, because > > olpc_dcon isn't loaded, because it isn't upstream. I'll work on a > > better detection mechanism to put in the geode driver -- Jordan, > > any suggestions? > > There were a few problems here: > > * The DCON detection problem above. I've solved this by just changing > the test to point to a driver that's actually upstream: > > http://cgit.freedesktop.org/xorg/driver/xf86-video-geode/commit/?id=990ff710c6220cc3d1ba6b9e8fb972bd168b4472 > > * The current HEAD was segfaulting, also now solved in the driver. > > * I eventually worked out that "modprobe msr" is needed before starting > the driver on Rawhide -- if you don't, you get a screen full of white > snow. We'll need to get this logic ("if on an xo, do modprobe msr > before X starts") into Fedora proper somehow. Any ideas? Is there anyway to detect and load this using HAL rules? > I'll release a new version of the X driver into Rawhide within a day or > so, and the kernel patch above should make its way into Rawhide via > Linus at a similar pace. Once both of these are applied, I'm happy to > report that I can get to a functional GNOME desktop, using Sebastian's > olpc-gnome kickstart file. Is this on the net somewhere? Peter From katzj at redhat.com Mon Feb 16 15:05:30 2009 From: katzj at redhat.com (Jeremy Katz) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 10:05:30 -0500 Subject: Help debug latest rawhide images In-Reply-To: References: <20090213014627.GA550@redhat.com> <20090213025214.GD550@redhat.com> Message-ID: <20090216150529.GA1939@redhat.com> On Sunday, February 15 2009, Chris Ball said: > * The DCON detection problem above. I've solved this by just changing > the test to point to a driver that's actually upstream: > http://cgit.freedesktop.org/xorg/driver/xf86-video-geode/commit/?id=990ff710c6220cc3d1ba6b9e8fb972bd168b4472 Depending on sysfs paths has historically led to trouble, but probably okay for now at least > * I eventually worked out that "modprobe msr" is needed before starting > the driver on Rawhide -- if you don't, you get a screen full of white > snow. We'll need to get this logic ("if on an xo, do modprobe msr > before X starts") into Fedora proper somehow. Any ideas? Usually the approach is to have appropriate modaliases. But msr should really load/work for basically all x86 hardware. And we build the module in on x86_64, so maybe the right thing is just to build it in for x86 as well. I'll ask for reasons not to Jeremy From sebastian at when.com Mon Feb 16 16:12:06 2009 From: sebastian at when.com (Sebastian Dziallas) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 17:12:06 +0100 Subject: Help debug latest rawhide images In-Reply-To: <5256d0b0902160214x52fda68q886f54cae687cbc3@mail.gmail.com> References: <20090213014627.GA550@redhat.com> <20090213025214.GD550@redhat.com> <5256d0b0902160214x52fda68q886f54cae687cbc3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49999056.3000800@when.com> Peter Robinson wrote: > On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 1:49 AM, Chris Ball wrote: >> Hi, >> >> > Well, I was right about olpc_has_dcon() failing, and wrong about >> > the reason why. This upstream commit breaks model detection, and >> > reverting it gets the FB working again: >> >> A proper fix is headed upstream now: >> >> http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/mingo/linux-2.6-x86.git;a=commit;h=e49590b6dd356f8ef10ba3531a29e5086f6f2e3a >> >> > Next up is X, which is failing because it doesn't think a DCON is >> > present, because /sys/platform/devices/dcon doesn't exist, because >> > olpc_dcon isn't loaded, because it isn't upstream. I'll work on a >> > better detection mechanism to put in the geode driver -- Jordan, >> > any suggestions? >> >> There were a few problems here: >> >> * The DCON detection problem above. I've solved this by just changing >> the test to point to a driver that's actually upstream: >> >> http://cgit.freedesktop.org/xorg/driver/xf86-video-geode/commit/?id=990ff710c6220cc3d1ba6b9e8fb972bd168b4472 >> >> * The current HEAD was segfaulting, also now solved in the driver. >> >> * I eventually worked out that "modprobe msr" is needed before starting >> the driver on Rawhide -- if you don't, you get a screen full of white >> snow. We'll need to get this logic ("if on an xo, do modprobe msr >> before X starts") into Fedora proper somehow. Any ideas? > > Is there anyway to detect and load this using HAL rules? > >> I'll release a new version of the X driver into Rawhide within a day or >> so, and the kernel patch above should make its way into Rawhide via >> Linus at a similar pace. Once both of these are applied, I'm happy to >> report that I can get to a functional GNOME desktop, using Sebastian's >> olpc-gnome kickstart file. > > Is this on the net somewhere? > > Peter Yep, it is, indeed. ;) Here you go: http://dev.laptop.org/git/projects/fedora-xo I've recently modified the olpc-desktop.ks - it's now the one which includes GNOME as well as Sugar, so that you should be able to switch between them. Any suggestions are greatly appreciated! BTW: The final image file shouldn't be much bigger than 300 MB... --Sebastian From sebastian at when.com Mon Feb 16 16:12:06 2009 From: sebastian at when.com (Sebastian Dziallas) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 17:12:06 +0100 Subject: Help debug latest rawhide images In-Reply-To: <5256d0b0902160214x52fda68q886f54cae687cbc3@mail.gmail.com> References: <20090213014627.GA550@redhat.com> <20090213025214.GD550@redhat.com> <5256d0b0902160214x52fda68q886f54cae687cbc3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49999056.3000800@when.com> Peter Robinson wrote: > On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 1:49 AM, Chris Ball wrote: >> Hi, >> >> > Well, I was right about olpc_has_dcon() failing, and wrong about >> > the reason why. This upstream commit breaks model detection, and >> > reverting it gets the FB working again: >> >> A proper fix is headed upstream now: >> >> http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/mingo/linux-2.6-x86.git;a=commit;h=e49590b6dd356f8ef10ba3531a29e5086f6f2e3a >> >> > Next up is X, which is failing because it doesn't think a DCON is >> > present, because /sys/platform/devices/dcon doesn't exist, because >> > olpc_dcon isn't loaded, because it isn't upstream. I'll work on a >> > better detection mechanism to put in the geode driver -- Jordan, >> > any suggestions? >> >> There were a few problems here: >> >> * The DCON detection problem above. I've solved this by just changing >> the test to point to a driver that's actually upstream: >> >> http://cgit.freedesktop.org/xorg/driver/xf86-video-geode/commit/?id=990ff710c6220cc3d1ba6b9e8fb972bd168b4472 >> >> * The current HEAD was segfaulting, also now solved in the driver. >> >> * I eventually worked out that "modprobe msr" is needed before starting >> the driver on Rawhide -- if you don't, you get a screen full of white >> snow. We'll need to get this logic ("if on an xo, do modprobe msr >> before X starts") into Fedora proper somehow. Any ideas? > > Is there anyway to detect and load this using HAL rules? > >> I'll release a new version of the X driver into Rawhide within a day or >> so, and the kernel patch above should make its way into Rawhide via >> Linus at a similar pace. Once both of these are applied, I'm happy to >> report that I can get to a functional GNOME desktop, using Sebastian's >> olpc-gnome kickstart file. > > Is this on the net somewhere? > > Peter Yep, it is, indeed. ;) Here you go: http://dev.laptop.org/git/projects/fedora-xo I've recently modified the olpc-desktop.ks - it's now the one which includes GNOME as well as Sugar, so that you should be able to switch between them. Any suggestions are greatly appreciated! BTW: The final image file shouldn't be much bigger than 300 MB... --Sebastian From katzj at redhat.com Mon Feb 16 16:40:30 2009 From: katzj at redhat.com (Jeremy Katz) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 11:40:30 -0500 Subject: Help debug latest rawhide images In-Reply-To: <20090216150529.GA1939@redhat.com> References: <20090213014627.GA550@redhat.com> <20090213025214.GD550@redhat.com> <20090216150529.GA1939@redhat.com> Message-ID: <20090216164030.GC2004@redhat.com> On Monday, February 16 2009, Jeremy Katz said: > On Sunday, February 15 2009, Chris Ball said: > > * I eventually worked out that "modprobe msr" is needed before starting > > the driver on Rawhide -- if you don't, you get a screen full of white > > snow. We'll need to get this logic ("if on an xo, do modprobe msr > > before X starts") into Fedora proper somehow. Any ideas? > > Usually the approach is to have appropriate modaliases. But msr should > really load/work for basically all x86 hardware. And we build the > module in on x86_64, so maybe the right thing is just to build it in for > x86 as well. I'll ask for reasons not to No one had a great reason, so next rawhide kernel will have msr built-in instead of modular Jeremy From cjb at laptop.org Mon Feb 16 18:04:26 2009 From: cjb at laptop.org (Chris Ball) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 13:04:26 -0500 Subject: Help debug latest rawhide images In-Reply-To: <49999056.3000800@when.com> (Sebastian Dziallas's message of "Mon, 16 Feb 2009 17:12:06 +0100") References: <20090213014627.GA550@redhat.com> <20090213025214.GD550@redhat.com> <5256d0b0902160214x52fda68q886f54cae687cbc3@mail.gmail.com> <49999056.3000800@when.com> Message-ID: Hi Sebastian, > I've recently modified the olpc-desktop.ks - it's now the one which > includes GNOME as well as Sugar, so that you should be able to > switch between them. Thanks! I think it would be nice to make this a proper Fedora spin, so that we can use the Fedora artwork, plymouth theme, etc. Does that sound possible? I don't think we need to use any packages that aren't in Fedora, so everything would be coming from the main repos.. - Chris. -- Chris Ball From cjb at laptop.org Mon Feb 16 21:29:08 2009 From: cjb at laptop.org (Chris Ball) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 16:29:08 -0500 Subject: Help debug latest rawhide images In-Reply-To: <20090216164030.GC2004@redhat.com> (Jeremy Katz's message of "Mon, 16 Feb 2009 11:40:30 -0500") References: <20090213014627.GA550@redhat.com> <20090213025214.GD550@redhat.com> <20090216150529.GA1939@redhat.com> <20090216164030.GC2004@redhat.com> Message-ID: Hi, > No one had a great reason, so next rawhide kernel will have msr > built-in instead of modular Thanks, Jeremy! >> I'll release a new version of the X driver into Rawhide within a >> day or so, and the kernel patch above should make its way into >> Rawhide via Linus at a similar pace. Once both of these are >> applied, I'm happy to report that I can get to a functional GNOME >> desktop, using Sebastian's olpc-gnome kickstart file. This is done too, so a livecd based on tomorrow's Rawhide should boot into X successfully (although it won't if you have the wireless firmware installed, because that's still crashing). New X driver: http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=1131597 - Chris. -- Chris Ball From martin.langhoff at gmail.com Mon Feb 16 21:33:40 2009 From: martin.langhoff at gmail.com (Martin Langhoff) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 10:33:40 +1300 Subject: New developer In-Reply-To: <200902141427.43064.bkreuter@redhat.com> References: <200902141427.43064.bkreuter@redhat.com> Message-ID: <46a038f90902161333g6d382419rff05b85481bcb5ba@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, Feb 15, 2009 at 8:27 AM, Benjamin Kreuter wrote: > I am a new OLPC/XO developer. Is there a list of pressing issues that need to > be addressed, or should I just find something interesting that needs work? I > have an XO in my possession at the moment, so I can work on issues that might > require that. Welcome Ben! There is lots to do... have you got a few XOs to play with? Have you met Ed and cjb? A good start would be to get a couple of XOs, put the 8.2 (or the 8.2.1 RC) on one of them to get a feel for it... and put a recent 'joyride' (our 'rawhide') on the other. I haven't been playing with joyride lately but I hear some things are broken on it. cheers, m -- martin.langhoff at gmail.com martin at laptop.org -- School Server Architect - ask interesting questions - don't get distracted with shiny stuff - working code first - http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Martinlanghoff From cjb at laptop.org Mon Feb 16 21:47:24 2009 From: cjb at laptop.org (Chris Ball) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 16:47:24 -0500 Subject: Help debug latest rawhide images In-Reply-To: <20090216164030.GC2004@redhat.com> (Jeremy Katz's message of "Mon, 16 Feb 2009 11:40:30 -0500") References: <20090213014627.GA550@redhat.com> <20090213025214.GD550@redhat.com> <20090216150529.GA1939@redhat.com> <20090216164030.GC2004@redhat.com> Message-ID: Hi, Something I've been wondering about: Mem: 212632k total, 153148k used, 59484k free, 36k buffers This should read 256MB, not 212. Has the rest of the RAM gone into ramdisks for the live image, perhaps? If so, I think we might end up wanting to have an install image for the NAND rather than a live image.. Thanks, - Chris. -- Chris Ball From katzj at redhat.com Mon Feb 16 21:58:52 2009 From: katzj at redhat.com (Jeremy Katz) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 16:58:52 -0500 Subject: Help debug latest rawhide images In-Reply-To: References: <20090213014627.GA550@redhat.com> <20090213025214.GD550@redhat.com> <20090216150529.GA1939@redhat.com> <20090216164030.GC2004@redhat.com> Message-ID: <20090216215852.GA2725@redhat.com> On Monday, February 16 2009, Chris Ball said: > Something I've been wondering about: > > Mem: 212632k total, 153148k used, 59484k free, 36k buffers > > This should read 256MB, not 212. Has the rest of the RAM gone into > ramdisks for the live image, perhaps? If so, I think we might end up > wanting to have an install image for the NAND rather than a live image.. We don't use ramdisks anywhere, just initramfs. And even so, they wouldn't take memory off the top off total. Is memory being reserved for use by the Geode graphics? dmesg should show all of the memory regions (or /proc/iomem) Jeremy From pbrobinson at gmail.com Mon Feb 16 22:04:08 2009 From: pbrobinson at gmail.com (Peter Robinson) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 23:04:08 +0100 Subject: Help debug latest rawhide images In-Reply-To: References: <20090213014627.GA550@redhat.com> <20090213025214.GD550@redhat.com> <20090216150529.GA1939@redhat.com> <20090216164030.GC2004@redhat.com> Message-ID: <5256d0b0902161404g4bf7c40ayf1e0a41bb5bff3aa@mail.gmail.com> > Something I've been wondering about: > > Mem: 212632k total, 153148k used, 59484k free, 36k buffers > > This should read 256MB, not 212. Has the rest of the RAM gone into > ramdisks for the live image, perhaps? If so, I think we might end up > wanting to have an install image for the NAND rather than a live image.. Build 767 ( 8.2) reports 222Mb RAM in /proc/meminfo too. I figured it was using 16 meg for shared graphics Peter From msolberg at redhat.com Mon Feb 16 22:35:31 2009 From: msolberg at redhat.com (Michael Solberg) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 17:35:31 -0500 Subject: Help debug latest rawhide images In-Reply-To: References: <20090213014627.GA550@redhat.com> <20090213025214.GD550@redhat.com> <20090216150529.GA1939@redhat.com> <20090216164030.GC2004@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1234823731.4165.33.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2009-02-16 at 16:29 -0500, Chris Ball wrote: > This is done too, so a livecd based on tomorrow's Rawhide should boot > into X successfully (although it won't if you have the wireless firmware > installed, because that's still crashing). > > New X driver: http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=1131597 Are you guys ready for the un-washed masses to start testing the new livecd tomorrow? If so - could you update the directions on the wiki? Thanks! Michael. (Member of the unwashed masses) From cjb at laptop.org Tue Feb 17 17:39:30 2009 From: cjb at laptop.org (Chris Ball) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 12:39:30 -0500 Subject: Help debug latest rawhide images In-Reply-To: <20090216215852.GA2725@redhat.com> (Jeremy Katz's message of "Mon, 16 Feb 2009 16:58:52 -0500") References: <20090213014627.GA550@redhat.com> <20090213025214.GD550@redhat.com> <20090216150529.GA1939@redhat.com> <20090216164030.GC2004@redhat.com> <20090216215852.GA2725@redhat.com> Message-ID: Hi, > We don't use ramdisks anywhere, just initramfs. And even so, they > wouldn't take memory off the top off total. Is memory being > reserved for use by the Geode graphics? dmesg should show all of > the memory regions (or /proc/iomem) We're using 16M for the framebuffer -- with our own kernel, we see 238M total, which is 256M-18M. The F11 kernel shows 213M total, so there's an extra 25M unaccounted for. Here's an interesting difference in /proc/iomem: Our build 656: 00100000-0edfcfff : System RAM 00400000-00617595 : Kernel code 00617596-006e21b3 : Kernel data F11: 00100000-0e0cd7ff : System RAM 00400000-006dc7d5 : Kernel code 006dc7d6-00954d6f : Kernel data 00afa000-01054fab : Kernel bss 01ee8000-01ee8fff : Local APIC Scott suggested that this might be bigmem/page table descriptor stuff. I think the 25M is probably the difference between being able to load apps and not being able to load apps, so worth seeing if we can do anything about it. Thanks, - Chris. -- Chris Ball From michael at laptop.org Tue Feb 17 19:25:51 2009 From: michael at laptop.org (Michael Stone) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 14:25:51 -0500 Subject: Reminder: Deployment Support Mtg @ UTC 2000; 3:00 PM Boston Message-ID: <20090217192551.GA3902@heat> Hi folks, Daniel Drake (dsd) asked me to send out an reminder to people who might be interested in asking and answering questions relevant to XO deployments. If you'd like to partake, please join us in #olpc-deployment on irc.freenode.net at UTC 2000 (3:00 PM Boston), which is in about 35 minutes. If you're unavailable, don't worry -- as always, minutes will appear at the bottom of http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Deployment_meetings and we'll try to address issues recorded on that page as agenda items or on http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Deployment_wishlist Regards, Michael From cjb at laptop.org Tue Feb 17 21:08:45 2009 From: cjb at laptop.org (Chris Ball) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 16:08:45 -0500 Subject: Announce: first bootable Rawhide build Message-ID: Hi, Today's (unmodified) Rawhide build boots into X on the XO, so I made some disk images for it. They contain both Sugar and GNOME, and you can choose between the two in GDM. Sebastian Dziallas made the kickstart file that we're using. http://dev.laptop.org/~cjb/rawhide-xo/20090217/ Installation instructions: * Get a developer key, http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Activation_and_Developer_Keys * Upgrade to latest OFW, http://wiki.laptop.org/go/OLPC_Firmware_q2e32 NAND: * put 20090217.img and .crc on a USB key * in OFW: copy-nand u:\20090217.img USB/SD: * insert a USB key that is at least 2G, and: zcat 20090217.bootable.gz > /dev/sdX * SD should work, but we're seeing a problem with the kernel SD driver qemu: * sudo qemu-kvm -cdrom 20090217.iso Known problems: * wireless crashes the machine on boot, so it is disabled. * fonts are tiny in Sugar * The tty framebuffer is corrupted; fix sent upstream, not made it back to Fedora yet Steps to reproduce the build: git clone git://dev.laptop.org/projects/fedora-xo sudo livecd-creator --cache=cache -c ~/fedora-xo/olpc-desktop.ks (this produces the ISO) sudo sh livecd-iso-to-xo.sh 20090217.iso 20090217.img (produces NAND image and CRC) sudo /usr/bin/livecd-iso-to-disk --format --xo --xo-no-home 20090217.iso /dev/sdX1 (produces a bootable disk or SD card) sudo dd if=/dev/sdX of=20090217.bootable && gzip 20090217.bootable (produces a raw image of the created disk) Please report any problems you find to the list, thanks, - Chris. -- Chris Ball From gdk at redhat.com Tue Feb 17 21:33:49 2009 From: gdk at redhat.com (Greg Dekoenigsberg) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 16:33:49 -0500 (EST) Subject: Announce: first bootable Rawhide build In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: W00T!!! I'll be making mine first thing in the morning. Well done, sir. --g -- Got an XO that you're not using? Loan it to a needy developer! [[ http://wiki.laptop.org/go/XO_Exchange_Registry ]] On Tue, 17 Feb 2009, Chris Ball wrote: > Hi, > > Today's (unmodified) Rawhide build boots into X on the XO, so I made > some disk images for it. They contain both Sugar and GNOME, and you > can choose between the two in GDM. Sebastian Dziallas made the > kickstart file that we're using. > > http://dev.laptop.org/~cjb/rawhide-xo/20090217/ > > Installation instructions: > > * Get a developer key, http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Activation_and_Developer_Keys > * Upgrade to latest OFW, http://wiki.laptop.org/go/OLPC_Firmware_q2e32 > > NAND: > > * put 20090217.img and .crc on a USB key > * in OFW: copy-nand u:\20090217.img > > USB/SD: > > * insert a USB key that is at least 2G, and: > zcat 20090217.bootable.gz > /dev/sdX > * SD should work, but we're seeing a problem with the kernel SD driver > > qemu: > > * sudo qemu-kvm -cdrom 20090217.iso > > Known problems: > > * wireless crashes the machine on boot, so it is disabled. > * fonts are tiny in Sugar > * The tty framebuffer is corrupted; fix sent upstream, not made it back > to Fedora yet > > Steps to reproduce the build: > > git clone git://dev.laptop.org/projects/fedora-xo > sudo livecd-creator --cache=cache -c ~/fedora-xo/olpc-desktop.ks > (this produces the ISO) > sudo sh livecd-iso-to-xo.sh 20090217.iso 20090217.img > (produces NAND image and CRC) > sudo /usr/bin/livecd-iso-to-disk --format --xo --xo-no-home 20090217.iso /dev/sdX1 > (produces a bootable disk or SD card) > sudo dd if=/dev/sdX of=20090217.bootable && gzip 20090217.bootable > (produces a raw image of the created disk) > > Please report any problems you find to the list, thanks, > > - Chris. > -- > Chris Ball > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-olpc-list mailing list > Fedora-olpc-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-olpc-list > From msolberg at redhat.com Wed Feb 18 01:50:41 2009 From: msolberg at redhat.com (Michael Solberg) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 20:50:41 -0500 Subject: Announce: first bootable Rawhide build In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1234921841.5018.50.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2009-02-17 at 16:08 -0500, Chris Ball wrote: > Installation instructions: > > * Get a developer key, http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Activation_and_Developer_Keys > * Upgrade to latest OFW, http://wiki.laptop.org/go/OLPC_Firmware_q2e32 > > NAND: > > * put 20090217.img and .crc on a USB key > * in OFW: copy-nand u:\20090217.img Well, I followed these instructions and for the very first time ever I've got a frowny face on my XO. I've got firmware Q2E32. How can I help debug? Thanks! Michael. From cjb at laptop.org Wed Feb 18 03:58:44 2009 From: cjb at laptop.org (Chris Ball) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 22:58:44 -0500 Subject: Announce: first bootable Rawhide build In-Reply-To: <1234921841.5018.50.camel@localhost.localdomain> (Michael Solberg's message of "Tue, 17 Feb 2009 20:50:41 -0500") References: <1234921841.5018.50.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: Hi Michael, > Well, I followed these instructions and for the very first time > ever I've got a frowny face on my XO. I've got firmware Q2E32. > How can I help debug? Oh, I bet this is my fault. If you stored the developer key on the NAND (under /), then it got wiped out when you did the "copy-nand". Catch me on IRC (freenode, #fedora-olpc) and I'll give you a copy of your devkey. Two options of better ways to do it: 1) Store the devkey on a USB stick in /security instead of on NAND. The code that checks for devkeys checks there, too. 2) Run "disable-security" (twice) at the ok prompt, to turn off all the security stuff for good. - Chris. -- Chris Ball From cjb at laptop.org Thu Feb 19 04:18:47 2009 From: cjb at laptop.org (Chris Ball) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 23:18:47 -0500 Subject: Daily builds set up Message-ID: Hi, We have a new build for today: http://dev.laptop.org/~cjb/rawhide-xo/20090218/ and a Makefile that automates the build process: http://dev.laptop.org/git?p=projects/fedora-xo;a=blob;f=Makefile;hb=HEAD and a script to run the Makefile via cron: STAMP=$(date +%Y%m%d) mkdir -p $STAMP && cd $STAMP && make -f ../Makefile $STAMP.done && cd .. && scp -r $STAMP dev.laptop.org:public_html/rawhide-xo/ Good news: * the libertas-dev list thinks they have a fix for wifi coming soon. Bad news coming up for suspend/resume: * the code we need to go into suspend isn't upstream; maybe it's time to start a new effort to push it there. No more news on the 25M loss in total RAM when running the Fedora kernel. If anyone wants to help investigate, here are dmesgs from the two kernels: OLPC build 656: http://dev.laptop.org/~cjb/656-dmesg F11: http://dev.laptop.org/~cjb/f11-boot Daniel Drake reports that he thinks our crash when booting from SD would go away if we had the sdhci module built-in rather than =m. Thanks, - Chris. -- Chris Ball From cjb at laptop.org Thu Feb 19 04:24:00 2009 From: cjb at laptop.org (Chris Ball) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 23:24:00 -0500 Subject: Daily builds set up In-Reply-To: (Chris Ball's message of "Wed, 18 Feb 2009 23:18:47 -0500") References: Message-ID: Hi, > Good news: * the libertas-dev list thinks they have a fix for wifi > coming soon. As I was typing that mail, a patch came in from Dan Williams for us to test. :) http://lists.infradead.org/pipermail/libertas-dev/2009-February/002286.html - Chris. -- Chris Ball From michael at laptop.org Thu Feb 19 05:14:24 2009 From: michael at laptop.org (Michael Stone) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 00:14:24 -0500 Subject: RFC: Supporting olpc-ish Deployments - Draft 1 Message-ID: <20090219051424.GA4131@heat> Folks, Pia Waugh (greebo) and I have spent a fair bit of time in the last month talking and thinking about what we can do in the next few months to best support present and future olpc-ish deployments (typically with XOs, typically running Sugar) and we'd like to share some of our thoughts with you. These thoughts are presented in draft form in order to solicit your feedback, which is eagerly awaited, and will likely be incorporated into future drafts. Regards, Michael ------------------------------ 1. Motivation We think that many deployment-related needs are not being adequately met, particularly in the areas of: * knowledge-sharing and the ability to benefit from others' mistakes. * volume and quality of aid available for conducting deployments. * bandwidth, latency, and SNR of channels to other communities which work with deployments; e.g. other deployments, educators, software teams, distributions, researchers, consultants, and volunteers 2. Use Cases We're particularly interested in addressing these situations and needs: D1) I'm running a deployment... a) ...and I need help! Who shares my problem? Who can help me? b) ...and I want to do more! Who/what can I work with? c) ...and I want to share! Where do I go? What is needed? D2) I need to talk to people deploying XOs. a) Where do I go? b) What can I expect? D3) I'm working on a deployment plan. a) Where to I start? b) What have I forgotten? c) Am I using best practices? d) Can I get a review? D4) I need to know... a) real deployment numbers, b) maps, c) examples, d) photos, e) techniques, f) contact info, ... 3. Existing Resources for Use Cases Before we started, there were three basic mechanisms for addressing these use cases: 1) read the Deployment Guide and the Deployments page(s): http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Deployment_Guide http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Deployments http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Deployments_support 2) ask olpc-techsupport at laptop.org. (Only available to large deployments?) 3) poke people on IRC. These three mechanisms are problematic because none of them can be relied upon, alone or in combination, to adequately address any of the use cases listed above. 4. New Resources for Use Cases So far, we've created two new resources which help bridge the gap: 4) weekly deployment support meetings, with minutes at http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Deployment_meetings#Meeting_notes which get aggregated each month into 5) a Deployment FAQ, http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Deployment_FAQ similar in form and spirit to the G1G1 http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Support_FAQ We think that these two new resources, in combination with the pre-existing resources, will help us provide the next level of support for our use cases. 4. Projects We presently have several ongoing (interrelated) projects which you might like to become (more deeply) involved in: P1) Keep improving the deployment support meetings -- so far, so good! -- your participation in these meetings is our best current source of new content for the Deployment FAQ and for... P2) Organize material captured in the meetings as FAQ entries -- the meeting minutes are chronological, which is good for minutes, but not particularly helpful for random-access reads. -- FAQ entries seem like a good compromise between maintenance cost, timeliness, and satsifaction of the use cases P3) Update the Deployment Guide -- The Guide is now ~1 year out of date -- and it leaves too much to the imagination: just look at its advice on critical areas like connectivity, content acquisition, and means of participation in the larger community of 1-1 educational laptop programs in general and XO deployments in specific. 5. Status Project P1 (meetings) is rolling along quite happily only one month after its inception but it could use your help in order to become even more vibrant, dense, and ingrained in the olpc-psyche. Project P2 (FAQ) is just beginning -- we've done a first rough-cut which you should review for us and help us edit down into something awesome! Project P3 (Guide updates) is just a twinkle in our eyes -- and it needs your help to fly! In particular, three different mechanisms have been tentatively proposed for how to accomplish the update(s): a) By sprints, like the FLOSS Manuals sprints that created the XO and Sugar manuals. b) By accretion, like the rest of the wiki, performed on a piecemeal basis by participants in the deployment support meetings. c) By issue-tracking, like software releases. 6. Questions: * Does this analysis hold water? * Is there anything we could spend our time on which would yield a greater return on investment? * Are there any fixable roadblocks which prevent group ____ from participating? (e.g., pervasive use of IRC for meetings?) * From martin at martindengler.com Thu Feb 19 10:28:00 2009 From: martin at martindengler.com (Martin Dengler) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 10:28:00 +0000 Subject: Daily builds set up In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20090219102800.GM21595@ops-13.xades.com> On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 11:18:47PM -0500, Chris Ball wrote: > Hi, > > We have a new build for today: > > http://dev.laptop.org/~cjb/rawhide-xo/20090218/ Thanks for this! > Thanks, > > - Chris. Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The agenda, as it will be until the answer is yes: do we have a rawhide build that boots on the XO? --g -- Got an XO that you're not using? Loan it to a needy developer! [[ http://wiki.laptop.org/go/XO_Exchange_Registry ]] From jvonau at shaw.ca Thu Feb 19 17:38:31 2009 From: jvonau at shaw.ca (Jerry Vonau) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 11:38:31 -0600 Subject: Daily builds set up In-Reply-To: <20090219145516.GA27632@redhat.com> References: <20090219145516.GA27632@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1235065111.27713.99.camel@f9.vonau.ca> On Thu, 2009-02-19 at 09:55 -0500, Jeremy Katz wrote: > On Wednesday, February 18 2009, Chris Ball said: > > Daniel Drake reports that he thinks our crash when booting from SD would > > go away if we had the sdhci module built-in rather than =m. > > That seems ... unlikely. The code should be the same between the two > cases. Is there a bug filed with how it crashes filed somewhere (rh > bugzilla or kernel.org bugzilla)? > > Jeremy > On a freshly booted, from a usbkey, 20090218 image when I inserted a CF card, the following is recorded in /var/log/mesaages: Feb 19 16:07:48 localhost kernel: mmc0: new high speed SDHC card at address 2f2f Feb 19 16:07:49 localhost kernel: mmcblk0: mmc0:2f2f SD04G 3.69 GiB Feb 19 16:07:59 localhost kernel: mmcblk0:<3>mmc0: Timeout waiting for hardware interrupt. Feb 19 16:07:59 localhost kernel: mmcblk0: retrying using single block read Feb 19 16:07:59 localhost kernel: p1 p2 Feb 19 16:08:01 localhost pulseaudio[2388]: module-hal-detect.c: D-Bus error while parsing HAL data: org.freedesktop.Hal.NoSuchProperty: No property info.capabilities on device with id /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/pci_11ab_4101_mmc_host_mmc_card_rca12079 Feb 19 16:08:10 localhost kernel: mmc0: Timeout waiting for hardware interrupt. Feb 19 16:08:10 localhost kernel: mmcblk0: retrying using single block read What should I file the BZ against? Jerry From katzj at redhat.com Thu Feb 19 18:06:47 2009 From: katzj at redhat.com (Jeremy Katz) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 13:06:47 -0500 Subject: Daily builds set up In-Reply-To: <1235065111.27713.99.camel@f9.vonau.ca> References: <20090219145516.GA27632@redhat.com> <1235065111.27713.99.camel@f9.vonau.ca> Message-ID: <20090219180647.GA27713@redhat.com> On Thursday, February 19 2009, Jerry Vonau said: > On Thu, 2009-02-19 at 09:55 -0500, Jeremy Katz wrote: > > On Wednesday, February 18 2009, Chris Ball said: > > > Daniel Drake reports that he thinks our crash when booting from SD would > > > go away if we had the sdhci module built-in rather than =m. > > > > That seems ... unlikely. The code should be the same between the two > > cases. Is there a bug filed with how it crashes filed somewhere (rh > > bugzilla or kernel.org bugzilla)? > > > On a freshly booted, from a usbkey, 20090218 image when I inserted a CF > card, the following is recorded in /var/log/mesaages: [snip] > What should I file the BZ against? Kernel and then we should be sure to get Pierre on the cc as he's pretty good at looking at sdhci problems Jeremy From jvonau at shaw.ca Thu Feb 19 18:37:49 2009 From: jvonau at shaw.ca (Jerry Vonau) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 12:37:49 -0600 Subject: Daily builds set up In-Reply-To: <20090219180647.GA27713@redhat.com> References: <20090219145516.GA27632@redhat.com> <1235065111.27713.99.camel@f9.vonau.ca> <20090219180647.GA27713@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1235068669.27713.100.camel@f9.vonau.ca> On Thu, 2009-02-19 at 13:06 -0500, Jeremy Katz wrote: > On Thursday, February 19 2009, Jerry Vonau said: > > On Thu, 2009-02-19 at 09:55 -0500, Jeremy Katz wrote: > > > On Wednesday, February 18 2009, Chris Ball said: > > > > Daniel Drake reports that he thinks our crash when booting from SD would > > > > go away if we had the sdhci module built-in rather than =m. > > > > > > That seems ... unlikely. The code should be the same between the two > > > cases. Is there a bug filed with how it crashes filed somewhere (rh > > > bugzilla or kernel.org bugzilla)? > > > > > On a freshly booted, from a usbkey, 20090218 image when I inserted a CF > > card, the following is recorded in /var/log/mesaages: > [snip] > > What should I file the BZ against? > > Kernel and then we should be sure to get Pierre on the cc as he's pretty > good at looking at sdhci problems > > Jeremy > BZ 486436 Jerry From dsd at laptop.org Thu Feb 19 19:22:00 2009 From: dsd at laptop.org (Daniel Drake) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 16:22:00 -0300 Subject: mock wrangling Message-ID: <818423da0902191122q28c7d0a9ka59d39c5caa06146@mail.gmail.com> Hi, I need to rebuild the olpc-update package for OLPC's 8.2.1 release and mock is being a headache. The code is at git://dev.laptop.org/projects/olpc-update "make mock" is the command to build it. You need this mock cfg in /etc/mock: http://ausil.fedorapeople.org/olpc-3-i386.cfg It first runs this command: mock -r olpc-3-i386 --resultdir=./rpms -q --init The error is this: DEBUG: python-devel-2.5.1-25.fc9.i386 from fedora has depsolving problems DEBUG: --> Missing Dependency: python = 2.5.1-25.fc9 is needed by package python-devel-2.5.1-25.fc9.i386 (fedora) DEBUG: Error: Missing Dependency: python = 2.5.1-25.fc9 is needed by package python-devel-2.5.1-25.fc9.i386 (fedora) Full logs: http://dev.laptop.org/~dsd/20090219/mockerror.txt Any hints or debugging tips? I'm not sure where to start. I already removed /var/lib/mock/* and ran "yum clean" but I don't think I have wiped all caches (it still runs into this error quickly, whereas I would expect it to spend 30 secs or so downloading the package databases before deciding which versions of python are and are not available). And incomplete/bad caches might not even be the problem. Thanks! Daniel From pbrobinson at gmail.com Thu Feb 19 19:40:56 2009 From: pbrobinson at gmail.com (Peter Robinson) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 20:40:56 +0100 Subject: mock wrangling In-Reply-To: <818423da0902191122q28c7d0a9ka59d39c5caa06146@mail.gmail.com> References: <818423da0902191122q28c7d0a9ka59d39c5caa06146@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5256d0b0902191140g35aaffd8u65747407f8be984d@mail.gmail.com> Hi Daniel, Is there a second python in the olpc repos? Also can you provide a link to the src rpm so I do have to frig about getting the contents of it out of git? Peter On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 8:22 PM, Daniel Drake wrote: > Hi, > > I need to rebuild the olpc-update package for OLPC's 8.2.1 release and > mock is being a headache. > > The code is at git://dev.laptop.org/projects/olpc-update > "make mock" is the command to build it. > > You need this mock cfg in /etc/mock: > http://ausil.fedorapeople.org/olpc-3-i386.cfg > > It first runs this command: > mock -r olpc-3-i386 --resultdir=./rpms -q --init > > The error is this: > DEBUG: python-devel-2.5.1-25.fc9.i386 from fedora has depsolving problems > DEBUG: --> Missing Dependency: python = 2.5.1-25.fc9 is needed by > package python-devel-2.5.1-25.fc9.i386 (fedora) > DEBUG: Error: Missing Dependency: python = 2.5.1-25.fc9 is needed by > package python-devel-2.5.1-25.fc9.i386 (fedora) > > Full logs: > http://dev.laptop.org/~dsd/20090219/mockerror.txt > > Any hints or debugging tips? I'm not sure where to start. I already > removed /var/lib/mock/* and ran "yum clean" but I don't think I have > wiped all caches (it still runs into this error quickly, whereas I > would expect it to spend 30 secs or so downloading the package > databases before deciding which versions of python are and are not > available). And incomplete/bad caches might not even be the problem. > > Thanks! > Daniel > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-olpc-list mailing list > Fedora-olpc-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-olpc-list > From dsd at laptop.org Thu Feb 19 20:34:08 2009 From: dsd at laptop.org (Daniel Drake) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 17:34:08 -0300 Subject: mock wrangling In-Reply-To: <5256d0b0902191140g35aaffd8u65747407f8be984d@mail.gmail.com> References: <818423da0902191122q28c7d0a9ka59d39c5caa06146@mail.gmail.com> <5256d0b0902191140g35aaffd8u65747407f8be984d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <818423da0902191234s1a36a6f6sfd5ec73128eed897@mail.gmail.com> 2009/2/19 Peter Robinson : > Hi Daniel, > > Is there a second python in the olpc repos? I think it would say .olpc3 if it were trying an OLPC one... but there might be, how can we check? > Also can you provide a link to the src rpm so I do have to frig about > getting the contents of it out of git? http://dev.laptop.org/~dsd/20090219/olpc-update-2.18-1.src.rpm The failing command is: mock -r olpc-3-i386 --resultdir=./rpms --installdeps olpc-update-2.18-1.src.rpm Thanks! From pbrobinson at gmail.com Thu Feb 19 21:48:05 2009 From: pbrobinson at gmail.com (Peter Robinson) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 22:48:05 +0100 Subject: mock wrangling In-Reply-To: <818423da0902191234s1a36a6f6sfd5ec73128eed897@mail.gmail.com> References: <818423da0902191122q28c7d0a9ka59d39c5caa06146@mail.gmail.com> <5256d0b0902191140g35aaffd8u65747407f8be984d@mail.gmail.com> <818423da0902191234s1a36a6f6sfd5ec73128eed897@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5256d0b0902191348j63a4885bw2a5a15d6747583c4@mail.gmail.com> >> Is there a second python in the olpc repos? > > I think it would say .olpc3 if it were trying an OLPC one... but there > might be, how can we check? Yep, barking up the wrong tree on that one! >> Also can you provide a link to the src rpm so I do have to frig about >> getting the contents of it out of git? > > > http://dev.laptop.org/~dsd/20090219/olpc-update-2.18-1.src.rpm > The failing command is: > mock -r olpc-3-i386 --resultdir=./rpms --installdeps olpc-update-2.18-1.src.rpm With a little modification I can compile this on koji. I think looking at the requires that a build on koji should be fine as the only Requires that are dependent on OLPC are run time not compile time. I think the python errors are coming from the 'ugly' stuff at the top of the spec file. With this it fails in koji too. I don't think the python version detection needs to be that complex. The following spec file [1] builds fine in koji. The other one doesn't build in koji either [2]. Also I think there's an issue with the version of yum in the chroot env when the mock is running on F-10 (I'm seeing similar issues on F-10. Peter [1] http://pbrobinson.fedorapeople.org/olpc-update.spec [2] http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=1140991 [3] http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=1140986 From smparrish at shallowcreek.net Thu Feb 19 21:50:25 2009 From: smparrish at shallowcreek.net (Steven M. Parrish) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 16:50:25 -0500 Subject: mock wrangling In-Reply-To: <818423da0902191122q28c7d0a9ka59d39c5caa06146@mail.gmail.com> References: <818423da0902191122q28c7d0a9ka59d39c5caa06146@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200902191650.26068.smparrish@shallowcreek.net> On Thursday 19 February 2009 14:22:00 Daniel Drake wrote: > Hi, > > I need to rebuild the olpc-update package for OLPC's 8.2.1 release and > mock is being a headache. > > The code is at git://dev.laptop.org/projects/olpc-update > "make mock" is the command to build it. > > You need this mock cfg in /etc/mock: > http://ausil.fedorapeople.org/olpc-3-i386.cfg > > It first runs this command: > mock -r olpc-3-i386 --resultdir=./rpms -q --init > > The error is this: > DEBUG: python-devel-2.5.1-25.fc9.i386 from fedora has depsolving problems > DEBUG: --> Missing Dependency: python = 2.5.1-25.fc9 is needed by > package python-devel-2.5.1-25.fc9.i386 (fedora) > DEBUG: Error: Missing Dependency: python = 2.5.1-25.fc9 is needed by > package python-devel-2.5.1-25.fc9.i386 (fedora) > > Full logs: > http://dev.laptop.org/~dsd/20090219/mockerror.txt > > Any hints or debugging tips? I'm not sure where to start. I already > removed /var/lib/mock/* and ran "yum clean" but I don't think I have > wiped all caches (it still runs into this error quickly, whereas I > would expect it to spend 30 secs or so downloading the package > databases before deciding which versions of python are and are not > available). And incomplete/bad caches might not even be the problem. > > Thanks! > Daniel > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-olpc-list mailing list > Fedora-olpc-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-olpc-list I got it to build. Seems to be an issue with the %define on lines 2-4 they are not working as they should so that when it gets down the requires it does not know what version of Python to install and fails. Here is my modified spec file with the versions hard coded. This will work until you can figure out why the other is borked. Steven Spec file is here http://tuxbrewr.fedorapeople.org/olpc-update.spec From dsd at laptop.org Thu Feb 19 22:16:26 2009 From: dsd at laptop.org (Daniel Drake) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 19:16:26 -0300 Subject: mock wrangling In-Reply-To: <5256d0b0902191348j63a4885bw2a5a15d6747583c4@mail.gmail.com> References: <818423da0902191122q28c7d0a9ka59d39c5caa06146@mail.gmail.com> <5256d0b0902191140g35aaffd8u65747407f8be984d@mail.gmail.com> <818423da0902191234s1a36a6f6sfd5ec73128eed897@mail.gmail.com> <5256d0b0902191348j63a4885bw2a5a15d6747583c4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <818423da0902191416g22f1ed6atb5ea89db8edfa13d@mail.gmail.com> 2009/2/19 Peter Robinson : > With a little modification I can compile this on koji. I think looking > at the requires that a build on koji should be fine as the only > Requires that are dependent on OLPC are run time not compile time. Thanks, successfully built this in koji, hope that doesn't introduce any side-effects... Daniel From cjb at laptop.org Thu Feb 19 23:33:53 2009 From: cjb at laptop.org (Chris Ball) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 18:33:53 -0500 Subject: Daily builds set up In-Reply-To: (Chris Ball's message of "Wed, 18 Feb 2009 23:18:47 -0500") References: Message-ID: Hi, > Good news: * the libertas-dev list thinks they have a fix for wifi > coming soon. I've just tested the fix, and it works. Hopefully the fix will make it upstream and back down into the Fedora kernel in a few days. Today's daily build is available, and contains the framebuffer fix. - Chris. -- Chris Ball From smparrish at shallowcreek.net Fri Feb 20 00:22:37 2009 From: smparrish at shallowcreek.net (Steven M. Parrish) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 19:22:37 -0500 Subject: Daily builds set up In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200902191922.38523.smparrish@shallowcreek.net> On Thursday 19 February 2009 18:33:53 Chris Ball wrote: > Hi, > > > Good news: * the libertas-dev list thinks they have a fix for wifi > > coming soon. > > I've just tested the fix, and it works. Hopefully the fix will make it > upstream and back down into the Fedora kernel in a few days. > > Today's daily build is available, and contains the framebuffer fix. > > - Chris. I can confirm the framebuffer fix is working. However I can't get any further iin the boot process as I am getting error booting from the SD card. Hardware timeouts and cannot find root filesystem. Anyone else have it working on an SD card? Steven From cjb at laptop.org Fri Feb 20 00:45:09 2009 From: cjb at laptop.org (Chris Ball) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 19:45:09 -0500 Subject: Daily builds set up In-Reply-To: <200902191922.38523.smparrish@shallowcreek.net> (Steven M. Parrish's message of "Thu, 19 Feb 2009 19:22:37 -0500") References: <200902191922.38523.smparrish@shallowcreek.net> Message-ID: Hi Steven, > I can confirm the framebuffer fix is working. However I can't get > any further iin the boot process as I am getting error booting from > the SD card. Hardware timeouts and cannot find root filesystem. > Anyone else have it working on an SD card? Not working with SD boot is a known problem; we've been discussing it on the list. USB works, though. There's a bug for SD filed at: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=486436 - Chris. -- Chris Ball From martin.langhoff at gmail.com Fri Feb 20 02:48:58 2009 From: martin.langhoff at gmail.com (Martin Langhoff) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 15:48:58 +1300 Subject: RFC: Supporting olpc-ish Deployments - Draft 1 In-Reply-To: <20090219051424.GA4131@heat> References: <20090219051424.GA4131@heat> Message-ID: <46a038f90902191848o302dfd68t57faba28d99ccd66@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 6:14 PM, Michael Stone wrote: > 6. Questions: > * Does this analysis hold water? Seems to make sense, and looks like the strategies are quite rational. > * Is there anything we could spend our time on which would yield a > greater return on investment? I think you (plural you) are doing a good job overall, but I'm on the sidelines. The only thing I'd suggest is to avoid building too many "deployment specific" channels (irc, lists, etc). If the relevant discussions happen on the -dev channels, autistic devs like me are then forced to listen to the chatter of the most important members of the community. And that's a good thing. (ie: I'd prefer to see more traffic on server-devel -- and I'd actually rename it to 'server'.) > * Are there any fixable roadblocks which prevent group ____ from > participating? > > (e.g., pervasive use of IRC for meetings?) I'm not an irc junkie but I am hoping people know to _also_ ask on the list if they think I can help. On irc you get the answers of the people that are there, which may or may not intersect with the people who know about your question... cheers, m -- martin.langhoff at gmail.com martin at laptop.org -- School Server Architect - ask interesting questions - don't get distracted with shiny stuff - working code first - http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Martinlanghoff From mikus at bga.com Sat Feb 21 17:25:41 2009 From: mikus at bga.com (Mikus Grinbergs) Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 12:25:41 -0500 Subject: video dust Message-ID: <49A03915.3060107@bga.com> Installed the SugarLabs xoimages/soas3.img on my XO. I'm a 'Terminal session' user. When I leave this XO sit unattended for a while, the screen content gets replaced by "dust" - similar to the video corruption that eventually shows up in the text console (ctl-alt-F2) of an OLPC build (except that with the OLPC build the screen background is dark, but here the screen background is lit). When I press a key the correct Terminal screen content gets shown. mikus From cjb at laptop.org Sat Feb 21 17:34:10 2009 From: cjb at laptop.org (Chris Ball) Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 12:34:10 -0500 Subject: video dust In-Reply-To: <49A03915.3060107@bga.com> (Mikus Grinbergs's message of "Sat, 21 Feb 2009 12:25:41 -0500") References: <49A03915.3060107@bga.com> Message-ID: Hi, > I'm a 'Terminal session' user. When I leave this XO sit unattended > for a while, the screen content gets replaced by "dust" This happens in our build too. Probably either an lxfb driver bug, or a consequence of not having the (not upstream) olpc_dcon kernel module. - Chris. -- Chris Ball From jvonau at shaw.ca Sat Feb 21 20:17:46 2009 From: jvonau at shaw.ca (Jerry Vonau) Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 14:17:46 -0600 Subject: Daily builds set up In-Reply-To: References: <200902191922.38523.smparrish@shallowcreek.net> Message-ID: <1235247466.2593.10.camel@f9.vonau.ca> On Thu, 2009-02-19 at 19:45 -0500, Chris Ball wrote: > Hi Steven, > > > I can confirm the framebuffer fix is working. However I can't get > > any further iin the boot process as I am getting error booting from > > the SD card. Hardware timeouts and cannot find root filesystem. > > > Anyone else have it working on an SD card? > > Not working with SD boot is a known problem; we've been discussing it > on the list. USB works, though. There's a bug for SD filed at: > > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=486436 > > - Chris. Fix is in the works: http://marc.info/?l=linux-kernel&m=123518542131291&w=2 Jerry From mikus at bga.com Sat Feb 21 20:22:51 2009 From: mikus at bga.com (Mikus Grinbergs) Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 15:22:51 -0500 Subject: first bootable Rawhide build Message-ID: <49A0629B.3070408@bga.com> > > I did a copy-nand of your image to my XO - but it would only come > > up in GNOME. Having done so, what do I need to do to choose Sugar ? > > When you first boot, there's a small "Session: " dropdown that you can > choose Sugar from. It looks like it doesn't show up again when you log > out for some reason. When I was originally booting, I was not seeing the dropdown on the 'Session:' button. Just now I booted again (with less external stuff plugged in), and saw the dropdown from which I chose Sugar. BTW, with 20090220.img, the XO 'Frame' key seems to do nothing. Also, some of the text is way too small (including in Terminal). Also, at least on ethernet I can ping other nodes. > http://dev.laptop.org/~cjb/rawhide-xo/livecd-iso-to-xo.sh Thank you for making it accessible. Please add read permissions. Thanks, mikus From karlie_robinson at webpath.net Tue Feb 24 21:16:50 2009 From: karlie_robinson at webpath.net (Karlie Robinson) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 16:16:50 -0500 Subject: Ed Tech Day Ithaca College in NY Message-ID: <49A463C2.2000700@webpath.net> Forgive the cross posting as this is sort of crossing over between an Ambassador Event and an OLPC SIG item. I just got off the phone with EdTech Day[1] organizers at Ithaca College and they will be giving me a speakers slot in their program to talk about the XO - after all you can't get much more edtech than that. I want the focus to be on what I know about - obviously - Fedora/OLPC together in harmony and changing the world one line of code at a time - specifically what's going on today at Fedora to propel the OLPC Mission. So most likely 4th grade math curriculum and the massive amount of work being done regarding packages. More importantly, this is your opportunity to fill me full of talking points. Of course I'm happy to wing it, but I'd really love it if you could tell me more about what's important to you. If you were giving the talk, what should be said? ~Karlie [1] http://www.ithaca.edu/edtechday/ From gdk at redhat.com Tue Feb 24 21:29:30 2009 From: gdk at redhat.com (Greg Dekoenigsberg) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 16:29:30 -0500 (EST) Subject: Ed Tech Day Ithaca College in NY In-Reply-To: <49A463C2.2000700@webpath.net> References: <49A463C2.2000700@webpath.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 24 Feb 2009, Karlie Robinson wrote: > Forgive the cross posting as this is sort of crossing over between an > Ambassador Event and an OLPC SIG item. > I just got off the phone with EdTech Day[1] organizers at Ithaca College and > they will be giving me a speakers slot in their program to talk about the XO > - after all you can't get much more edtech than that. > I want the focus to be on what I know about - obviously - Fedora/OLPC > together in harmony and changing the world one line of code at a time - > specifically what's going on today at Fedora to propel the OLPC Mission. So > most likely 4th grade math curriculum and the massive amount of work being > done regarding packages. > More importantly, this is your opportunity to fill me full of talking points. > Of course I'm happy to wing it, but I'd really love it if you could tell me > more about what's important to you. If you were giving the talk, what should > be said? > ~Karlie > > [1] http://www.ithaca.edu/edtechday/ Make sure that you have read "Disrupting Class", and then encourage attendees to think about how the principles therein -- disruptive technology, serving underserved markets like poor rural school districts, etc. -- dovetail with the unique value-adds provided by a Free Culture approach. Get people to think about the following problem: what if, instead of Addison-Wesley producing dozens of 4th grade math textbooks, a community of educators could get together to produce one single electronic 4th grade textbook? Solving this problem unlocks a whole world. Encourage people to think *deeply* about the ramifications of this. Man, I need to videotape the talk I gave at FOSDEM. --g -- Got an XO that you're not using? Loan it to a needy developer! [[ http://wiki.laptop.org/go/XO_Exchange_Registry ]] From meta.sj at gmail.com Wed Feb 25 09:59:07 2009 From: meta.sj at gmail.com (Samuel Klein) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 04:59:07 -0500 Subject: Ed Tech Day Ithaca College in NY In-Reply-To: References: <49A463C2.2000700@webpath.net> Message-ID: <5396c0d10902250159h4559cb2bw56a4541378a20b5c@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 4:29 PM, Greg Dekoenigsberg wrote: > > On Tue, 24 Feb 2009, Karlie Robinson wrote: > >> Forgive the cross posting as this is sort of crossing over between an >> Ambassador Event and an OLPC SIG item. I just got off the phone with EdTech >> Day[1] organizers at Ithaca College and they will be giving me a speakers >> slot in their program to talk about the XO - after all you can't get much >> more edtech than that. I want the focus to be on what I know about - >> obviously - Fedora/OLPC together in harmony and changing the world one line >> of code at a time - specifically what's going on today at Fedora to propel >> the OLPC Mission. ?So most likely 4th grade math curriculum and the massive >> amount of work being done regarding packages. More importantly, this is your >> opportunity to fill me full of talking points. Of course I'm happy to wing >> it, but I'd really love it if you could tell me more about what's important >> to you. ?If you were giving the talk, what should be said? ~Karlie >> >> [1] http://www.ithaca.edu/edtechday/ > > Make sure that you have read "Disrupting Class", and then encourage > attendees to think about how the principles therein -- disruptive > technology, serving underserved markets like poor rural school districts, > etc. -- dovetail with the unique value-adds provided by a Free Culture > approach. > > Get people to think about the following problem: what if, instead of > Addison-Wesley producing dozens of 4th grade math textbooks, a community of > educators could get together to produce one single electronic 4th grade > textbook? ?Solving this problem unlocks a whole world. ?Encourage people to > think *deeply* about the ramifications of this. > > Man, I need to videotape the talk I gave at FOSDEM. without seeing it, I'll second that. SJ From karlie_robinson at webpath.net Wed Feb 25 16:13:51 2009 From: karlie_robinson at webpath.net (Karlie Robinson) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 11:13:51 -0500 Subject: Ed Tech Day Ithaca College in NY In-Reply-To: <5396c0d10902250159h4559cb2bw56a4541378a20b5c@mail.gmail.com> References: <49A463C2.2000700@webpath.net> <5396c0d10902250159h4559cb2bw56a4541378a20b5c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49A56E3F.4080801@webpath.net> Samuel Klein wrote: > On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 4:29 PM, Greg Dekoenigsberg wrote: > >> Get people to think about the following problem: what if, instead of >> Addison-Wesley producing dozens of 4th grade math textbooks, a community of >> educators could get together to produce one single electronic 4th grade >> textbook? Solving this problem unlocks a whole world. Encourage people to >> think *deeply* about the ramifications of this. >> > > without seeing it, I'll second that. > > SJ > > Ok, so if you don't mind me borrowing this what about the presentation being titled - One Laptop Per Child - What if...? Synopsis - What if a community of educators could get together to produce one single electronic 4th grade textbook? Of course I'll cover history and mission of OLPC, but I'd like the talk to focus on the NA Ambassadors work on the 4th grade math curriculum. By then I also hope to have RIT on board and helping so I can show that it's not just a hypothetical. From karlie_robinson at webpath.net Thu Feb 26 14:34:27 2009 From: karlie_robinson at webpath.net (Karlie Robinson) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 09:34:27 -0500 Subject: Meeting today? Message-ID: <49A6A873.4030307@webpath.net> Just trying to figure out my schedule for the rest of the day. Thanks, Karlie From gdk at redhat.com Thu Feb 26 15:03:34 2009 From: gdk at redhat.com (Greg Dekoenigsberg) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 10:03:34 -0500 (EST) Subject: Meeting today? In-Reply-To: <49A6A873.4030307@webpath.net> References: <49A6A873.4030307@webpath.net> Message-ID: Yes. Meeting at 1pm today, Eastern US time. The agenda: assessment of the current state of rawhide on the XO, what gaps need to be filled, and how that matches the time we have left before release. --g -- Got an XO that you're not using? Loan it to a needy developer! [[ http://wiki.laptop.org/go/XO_Exchange_Registry ]] On Thu, 26 Feb 2009, Karlie Robinson wrote: > Just trying to figure out my schedule for the rest of the day. > Thanks, > Karlie > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-olpc-list mailing list > Fedora-olpc-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-olpc-list > From mikus at bga.com Thu Feb 26 19:42:03 2009 From: mikus at bga.com (Mikus Grinbergs) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 14:42:03 -0500 Subject: Meeting today? Message-ID: <49A6F08B.20806@bga.com> > The agenda: assessment of the current state of rawhide on the XO, what > gaps need to be filled, and how that matches the time we have left before > release. If the intent is to be able to say "rawhide runs on the XO" (e.g., with GNOME), then talking about "the time we have left before release" makes sense. I've been running Sugar on rawhide on the XO, and it is not clear to me that "what's not currently working" can be conveniently matched against "the time we have left". What if the first thing added doesn't do the fix (or takes longer than planned) ? Some of the serious things that currently impact the usability of Sugar on rawhide on the XO (the list is longer, these are examples): - tiny text - no wireless - no collaboration (empty Neighborhood View) - no power management - no working Browser - difficulty installing Activities - no XO-keyboard "extra key" support - (a hurdle for me) SD card operations take too much time - some tools not usable (e.g., sugar-launch, olpc-log) mikus From gdk at redhat.com Thu Feb 26 19:56:42 2009 From: gdk at redhat.com (Greg Dekoenigsberg) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 14:56:42 -0500 (EST) Subject: Meeting today? In-Reply-To: <49A6F08B.20806@bga.com> References: <49A6F08B.20806@bga.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 26 Feb 2009, Mikus Grinbergs wrote: >> The agenda: assessment of the current state of rawhide on the XO, what >> gaps need to be filled, and how that matches the time we have left before >> release. > > If the intent is to be able to say "rawhide runs on the XO" (e.g., with > GNOME), then talking about "the time we have left before release" makes > sense. > > I've been running Sugar on rawhide on the XO, and it is not clear to me > that "what's not currently working" can be conveniently matched against > "the time we have left". What if the first thing added doesn't do the > fix (or takes longer than planned) ? Then the backup plan is to isolate as much as we can, minimize the deltas as much as possible, roll our own based on (F-11 plus patches), and continue work to push things upstream in the F-12 timeframe. > Some of the serious things that currently impact the usability of Sugar on > rawhide on the XO (the list is longer, these are examples): > - tiny text Bug to be filed shortly. > - no wireless Wireless works in GNOME but not Sugar as of latest build, abostrom is filing against Sugar. > - no collaboration (empty Neighborhood View) Well, no wireless means no collaboration, right? > - no power management https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=465284, I reprioritized this to "high" this morning, but realistically this probably won't be looked at until F-12. > - no working Browser A few folks working on testing this. > - difficulty installing Activities > - no XO-keyboard "extra key" support https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=468744, also reprioritized to high since it's blocking several other bugs. > - (a hurdle for me) SD card operations take too much time Unclear here. > - some tools not usable (e.g., sugar-launch, olpc-log) Don't know much about these. The only way forward is to identify issues, track them, and fix them upstream, with what resources we have available. A lot of these fixes will get in during the F-11 timeframe, and a lot won't. --g -- Got an XO that you're not using? Loan it to a needy developer! [[ http://wiki.laptop.org/go/XO_Exchange_Registry ]] From mel at melchua.com Thu Feb 26 16:58:09 2009 From: mel at melchua.com (Mel Chua) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 11:58:09 -0500 Subject: Ed Tech Day Ithaca College in NY In-Reply-To: <49A56E3F.4080801@webpath.net> References: <49A463C2.2000700@webpath.net> <5396c0d10902250159h4559cb2bw56a4541378a20b5c@mail.gmail.com> <49A56E3F.4080801@webpath.net> Message-ID: <49A6CA21.4020606@melchua.com> > Synopsis - What if a community of educators could get together to > produce one single electronic 4th grade textbook? > Of course I'll cover history and mission of OLPC, but I'd like the talk > to focus on the NA Ambassadors work on the 4th grade math curriculum. > By then I also hope to have RIT on board and helping so I can show that > it's not just a hypothetical. That what-if sounds awesome. If there's time, perhaps get folks to talk about why that what-if is hard/impossible - what are the blockers? (Why /haven't/ communities of educators gotten together to produce a single electronic 4th grade textbook yet?) That gives us a pedagogically-focused bug list of problems to solve. ;) (Some of the solutions might be technical, some might be marketing, some might be funding, policy, etc - we need the problems list first to find out.) If that bug list exists already, that would be awesome. Then get folks to talk about how to attack them. ;) Some common blockers that aren't: * No funding. (Not true: open-licensed stuff can be profitable, as everyone on this list already knows. Also, writing sprints can be held on ridiculously small budgets to bootstrap - the Sugar and XO FLOSSmanuals(.net) got started that way.) * Impossible to make a single 4th grade electronic textbook that serves all use cases. (Sure, that's true - but by that logic, it's impossible to make a 4th grade non-electronic textbook that serves all use cases therefore nobody should ever write 4th grade textbooks. You start with one to prove it's possible, not to solve everything for all time.) * I'm sure people here can think of more and better ones. From cjb at laptop.org Fri Feb 27 16:35:50 2009 From: cjb at laptop.org (Chris Ball) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 11:35:50 -0500 Subject: Ed Tech Day Ithaca College in NY In-Reply-To: <49A6CA21.4020606@melchua.com> (Mel Chua's message of "Thu, 26 Feb 2009 11:58:09 -0500") References: <49A463C2.2000700@webpath.net> <5396c0d10902250159h4559cb2bw56a4541378a20b5c@mail.gmail.com> <49A56E3F.4080801@webpath.net> <49A6CA21.4020606@melchua.com> Message-ID: Hi all, > * Impossible to make a single 4th grade electronic textbook that > serves all use cases. (Sure, that's true - but by that logic, it's > impossible to make a 4th grade non-electronic textbook that serves > all use cases therefore nobody should ever write 4th grade > textbooks. You start with one to prove it's possible, not to solve > everything for all time.) Doing something is clearly better than doing nothing here, yeah. As far as OLPC goes, though, my impression is that it's not true that most of the kids with XOs in the world have the prerequisites for a US curriculum fourth grade math course -- maybe we should chat with some of the learning folks and find out if we'd be reaching many more kids (and not holding too many others to a lower level) if we started out with something easier? (I imagine it takes more effort to produce a textbook as the material gets harder, too, so I think there might be something to be said for starting out simple and getting the hang of the mechanics of making a textbook before attacking the harder stuff.) I don't mean to bikeshed, though; it's all your call. ;-) - Chris. -- Chris Ball From bkearney at redhat.com Fri Feb 27 17:51:03 2009 From: bkearney at redhat.com (Bryan Kearney) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 12:51:03 -0500 Subject: Sugar on Rawhide Message-ID: <49A82807.8040609@redhat.com> I am trying to compose a pure rawhide Sugar destktop to run in a virtual machine. I have used both my own kicksarts and those from [1] with the livecd post stuff yanked out. I can get to the login screen (either gnome or the swanky one from [1]), and I can log into GNOME. However, when I attmept to access sugar I can get as far as selecting my sugar-dude's color and then I get an X restart and am pushed back to the login screen. Is this a known issue right now? -- bk [1] http://git.sugarlabs.org/projects/soas/repos/mainline/trees/master From martin at martindengler.com Fri Feb 27 18:06:41 2009 From: martin at martindengler.com (Martin Dengler) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 18:06:41 +0000 Subject: Sugar on Rawhide In-Reply-To: <49A82807.8040609@redhat.com> References: <49A82807.8040609@redhat.com> Message-ID: <20090227180641.GG21595@ops-13.xades.com> On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 12:51:03PM -0500, Bryan Kearney wrote: > I am trying to compose a pure rawhide Sugar destktop to run in a virtual > machine. I have used both my own kicksarts and those from [1] with the > livecd post stuff yanked out. Hi Bryan, I'm getting around to trying the Soas one but http://dev.laptop.org/git?p=projects/fedora-xo;a=summary has gotten me further than you on my XO-1 (I can launch Browse). > -- bk Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Simply because Americans measure understanding with grade levels, it does not mean that all 9 year olds must comprehend the course work. The goal is education, the means is the XO, but that does not mean we decide what is learned and when. From mel at melchua.com Fri Feb 27 21:02:36 2009 From: mel at melchua.com (Mel Chua) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 16:02:36 -0500 Subject: Ed Tech Day Ithaca College in NY In-Reply-To: References: <49A463C2.2000700@webpath.net> <5396c0d10902250159h4559cb2bw56a4541378a20b5c@mail.gmail.com> <49A56E3F.4080801@webpath.net> <49A6CA21.4020606@melchua.com> Message-ID: <49A854EC.2050003@melchua.com> > far as OLPC goes, though, my impression is that it's not true that most > of the kids with XOs in the world have the prerequisites for a US > curriculum fourth grade math course -- maybe we should chat with some Exactly! And I think that's why Massachusetts 4th grade math standards are a good arbitrary first target: 1. we know/have easy access to people - teachers in MA - who will probably (we should turn that into a "will") immediately use the stuff we make for 4th grade math. (Though "Peruvian students" are a larger audience, I only have a dim and uncertain idea of how we'd get our stuff to them / get them to use it - though I would *love* for that not to be the case.) 2. it puts more pressure on the "lots of kids with XOs don't know enough math to use the stuff we just made" bug - now there's a concrete, nice-sized, ambitious but achievable, next step to shoot for that's pretty easy for most people to conceive and run towards, which is "(make something to) get these kids ready to use the 4th grade math material we now have." (As opposed to "make something that prepares these kids for this lovely calculus textbook we just made, or "make something that teaches these kids 'more math.'" - too large a scope, and too vague, respectively.) 3. it's going to happen already. ;) --Mel From cjb at laptop.org Fri Feb 27 22:26:04 2009 From: cjb at laptop.org (Chris Ball) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 17:26:04 -0500 Subject: Today's daily build Message-ID: Hi, Today's build (http://dev.laptop.org/~cjb/rawhide-xo/20090227/) looks pretty good, thanks to Sebastian Dziallas hacking on the kickstart file some more: * wireless works * Sugar font size problems are fixed * Firefox is replaced with Midori, which is more usable with little RAM * we included the Fedora 10 kernel to see if we get the 25M of missing RAM back, but we don't. Feedback and bugs welcome, - Chris. -- Chris Ball From cjb at laptop.org Sat Feb 28 04:26:08 2009 From: cjb at laptop.org (Chris Ball) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 23:26:08 -0500 Subject: Today's daily build In-Reply-To: (Chris Ball's message of "Fri, 27 Feb 2009 17:26:04 -0500") References: Message-ID: Hi, > Feedback and bugs welcome, Forgot to mention (Gary Martin reminded me): we had to bump the partition size upwards, so this image won't fit on a 2G USB stick anymore. We can probably get this to come back down again later. - Chris. -- Chris Ball From smparrish at shallowcreek.net Sat Feb 28 16:24:03 2009 From: smparrish at shallowcreek.net (Steven M. Parrish) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 11:24:03 -0500 Subject: Today's daily build In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200902281124.04416.smparrish@shallowcreek.net> On Friday 27 February 2009 23:26:08 Chris Ball wrote: > Hi, > > > Feedback and bugs welcome, > > Forgot to mention (Gary Martin reminded me): we had to bump the > partition size upwards, so this image won't fit on a 2G USB stick > anymore. We can probably get this to come back down again later. > > - Chris. I am unable to get the build from the 27th to boot. Here is what I am getting: mount: wrongfs type,bad option, bad superblock on /dev/loop0.... then it drops to a shell and running dmesg gives this SQUASHFS error: Major/Minor mismatch, try mounting a newer 4.0 filesystem SQUASHFS error: Please update your kernel Steven From cjb at laptop.org Sat Feb 28 18:43:05 2009 From: cjb at laptop.org (Chris Ball) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 13:43:05 -0500 Subject: Today's daily build In-Reply-To: <200902281124.04416.smparrish@shallowcreek.net> (Steven M. Parrish's message of "Sat, 28 Feb 2009 11:24:03 -0500") References: <200902281124.04416.smparrish@shallowcreek.net> Message-ID: Hi, > I am unable to get the build from the 27th to boot. > Here is what I am getting: > mount: wrongfs type,bad option, bad superblock on /dev/loop0.... > then it drops to a shell and running dmesg gives this > SQUASHFS error: Major/Minor mismatch, try mounting a newer 4.0 > filesystem > SQUASHFS error: Please update your kernel How did you install it? Did you run livecd-iso-to-* yourself, rather than used the published image? Exactly which image are you using? The error suggests the image was built on a machine with the squashfs 3.x kernel module loaded. 4.x is in f10-updates and rawhide, and my build machine runs rawhide, so it would be odd for this to be coming from an image I generated. - Chris. -- Chris Ball From smparrish at shallowcreek.net Sat Feb 28 20:34:41 2009 From: smparrish at shallowcreek.net (Steven M. Parrish) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 15:34:41 -0500 Subject: Today's daily build In-Reply-To: References: <200902281124.04416.smparrish@shallowcreek.net> Message-ID: <200902281534.41923.smparrish@shallowcreek.net> On Saturday 28 February 2009 13:43:05 Chris Ball wrote: > Hi, > > > I am unable to get the build from the 27th to boot. > > > > Here is what I am getting: > > > > mount: wrongfs type,bad option, bad superblock on /dev/loop0.... > > > > then it drops to a shell and running dmesg gives this > > > > SQUASHFS error: Major/Minor mismatch, try mounting a newer 4.0 > > filesystem > > SQUASHFS error: Please update your kernel > > How did you install it? Did you run livecd-iso-to-* yourself, rather > than used the published image? Exactly which image are you using? > > The error suggests the image was built on a machine with the squashfs > 3.x kernel module loaded. 4.x is in f10-updates and rawhide, and > my build machine runs rawhide, so it would be odd for this to be > coming from an image I generated. > > - Chris. Built on F10 using 20090227.bootable.gz Everything worked fine for the 26 build. zcat the build on to a 4gb usb stick Steven