From bpepple at fedoraproject.org Fri Jan 2 16:09:11 2009 From: bpepple at fedoraproject.org (Brian Pepple) Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2009 11:09:11 -0500 Subject: Please help test our pre-release build of 8.2.1 Message-ID: <1230912551.4434.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hi All, A pre-release build of 8.2.1 is now available for testing. It has passed an initial smoke test and now needs broader testing. The build download and problem reporting instructions are here: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Friends_in_testing#Current_status The very early draft release notes are here: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Release_Notes/8.2.1 Please send a note to the list if you try this build even if you don't find anything interesting. We want to measure our test capacity. Thanks, /B -- Brian Pepple https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Bpepple gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys 810CC15E BD5E 6F9E 8688 E668 8F5B CBDE 326A E936 810C C15E -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From pbrobinson at gmail.com Sat Jan 3 03:15:50 2009 From: pbrobinson at gmail.com (Peter Robinson) Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 04:15:50 +0100 Subject: Fedora Desktop on XO In-Reply-To: <495A642A.1060403@laptop.org> References: <495A642A.1060403@laptop.org> Message-ID: <5256d0b0901021915w50d5d28fq20460b69bbd6c87@mail.gmail.com> Hi Greg, Sorry for delayed response, I've had little internet connectivity so have only had limited mail access and mostly through a windows box :( > I'm still looking for help resolving the dependencies Chris found when he > tried to install Gnome. > > The issue and thread are documented in the specifications section here: > http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Feature_roadmap/Run_Fedora_applications_on_XO > > What do we do next when we get a list of "dependency errors"? Is this on 8.2.0 or joyride? It looks like 8.2 due to the gnome-python version being olpc3. I suspect some of the errors are due to the custom packages, or possibly due to a repo not being available. You can get some weird errors if there's two package provides split across repos (something like a base gnome-python provided by the olpc3 repo where as the gnome-python-blah which was stripped out of the olpc3 build is then provided by the Fedora 9 repo. Overall it looks like an issue with cyrus-sasl. What does a "yum list cyrus-sasl*" show? Regards, Peter From pbrobinson at gmail.com Sat Jan 3 05:27:43 2009 From: pbrobinson at gmail.com (Peter Robinson) Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 06:27:43 +0100 Subject: Fedora Desktop on XO In-Reply-To: <5256d0b0901021915w50d5d28fq20460b69bbd6c87@mail.gmail.com> References: <495A642A.1060403@laptop.org> <5256d0b0901021915w50d5d28fq20460b69bbd6c87@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5256d0b0901022127w2189d97n68670d64b71cf38b@mail.gmail.com> > Hi Greg, > > Sorry for delayed response, I've had little internet connectivity so > have only had limited mail access and mostly through a windows box :( > >> I'm still looking for help resolving the dependencies Chris found when he >> tried to install Gnome. >> >> The issue and thread are documented in the specifications section here: >> http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Feature_roadmap/Run_Fedora_applications_on_XO >> >> What do we do next when we get a list of "dependency errors"? > > Is this on 8.2.0 or joyride? It looks like 8.2 due to the gnome-python > version being olpc3. I suspect some of the errors are due to the > custom packages, or possibly due to a repo not being available. You > can get some weird errors if there's two package provides split across > repos (something like a base gnome-python provided by the olpc3 repo > where as the gnome-python-blah which was stripped out of the olpc3 > build is then provided by the Fedora 9 repo. Overall it looks like an > issue with cyrus-sasl. What does a "yum list cyrus-sasl*" show? The other thing to check for is that there isn't multiple versions installed (rpm -qa | grep cyrus), I've seen this sometimes with things like glibc and openssl where there's both an i386 and i686 version. Peter From cjb at laptop.org Sat Jan 3 05:52:00 2009 From: cjb at laptop.org (Chris Ball) Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2009 00:52:00 -0500 Subject: Fedora Desktop on XO In-Reply-To: <5256d0b0901021915w50d5d28fq20460b69bbd6c87@mail.gmail.com> (Peter Robinson's message of "Sat, 3 Jan 2009 04:15:50 +0100") References: <495A642A.1060403@laptop.org> <5256d0b0901021915w50d5d28fq20460b69bbd6c87@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Peter, thanks for the reply, > Is this on 8.2.0 or joyride? It looks like 8.2 due to the > gnome-python version being olpc3. It's running a joyride F10 build, but looks like you're right about olpc3. Here's the /etc/yum.repos.d/olpc-development.repo shipped in Joyride: [olpc_development] name=OLPC development repository, based on koji tag dist-olpc3-devel. baseurl=http://xs-dev.laptop.org/~cscott/repos/dist-olpc3-devel/ enabled=1 gpgcheck=0 exclude=kernel [olpc-joyride] name=OLPC 'Joyride' repository baseurl=http://xs-dev.laptop.org/~cscott/repos/joyride/ enabled=1 gpgcheck=0 > I suspect some of the errors are due to the custom packages, or > possibly due to a repo not being available. You can get some weird > errors if there's two package provides split across repos > (something like a base gnome-python provided by the olpc3 repo > where as the gnome-python-blah which was stripped out of the olpc3 > build is then provided by the Fedora 9 repo. Overall it looks like > an issue with cyrus-sasl. What does a "yum list cyrus-sasl*" show? Excluding Packages from Fedora 10 - i386 Finished Excluding Packages from OLPC development repository, based on koji tag dist-olpc3-devel. Finished Excluding Packages from Fedora 10 - i386 - Updates Finished Installed Packages cyrus-sasl-lib.i386 2.1.22-19.fc10 installed Available Packages cyrus-sasl.i386 2.1.22-15.fc9 olpc_development cyrus-sasl-debuginfo.i386 2.1.22-15.fc9 olpc_development cyrus-sasl-devel.i386 2.1.22-15.fc9 olpc_development cyrus-sasl-gssapi.i386 2.1.22-15.fc9 olpc_development cyrus-sasl-krb4.i386 2.1.22-15.fc9 olpc_development cyrus-sasl-ldap.i386 2.1.22-15.fc9 olpc_development cyrus-sasl-md5.i386 2.1.22-15.fc9 olpc_development cyrus-sasl-ntlm.i386 2.1.22-15.fc9 olpc_development cyrus-sasl-plain.i386 2.1.22-15.fc9 olpc_development cyrus-sasl-sql.i386 2.1.22-15.fc9 olpc_development Thanks! - Chris. -- Chris Ball From pbrobinson at gmail.com Sat Jan 3 06:00:49 2009 From: pbrobinson at gmail.com (Peter Robinson) Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 07:00:49 +0100 Subject: Fedora Desktop on XO In-Reply-To: References: <495A642A.1060403@laptop.org> <5256d0b0901021915w50d5d28fq20460b69bbd6c87@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5256d0b0901022200i4e56e05ajb1f031dee7ea8e41@mail.gmail.com> Hi Chris, No probs on the reply. > Hi Peter, thanks for the reply, > > > Is this on 8.2.0 or joyride? It looks like 8.2 due to the > > gnome-python version being olpc3. > > It's running a joyride F10 build, but looks like you're right about > olpc3. Here's the /etc/yum.repos.d/olpc-development.repo shipped in > Joyride: > > [olpc_development] > name=OLPC development repository, based on koji tag dist-olpc3-devel. > baseurl=http://xs-dev.laptop.org/~cscott/repos/dist-olpc3-devel/ > enabled=1 > gpgcheck=0 > exclude=kernel > > [olpc-joyride] > name=OLPC 'Joyride' repository > baseurl=http://xs-dev.laptop.org/~cscott/repos/joyride/ > enabled=1 > gpgcheck=0 > > > I suspect some of the errors are due to the custom packages, or > > possibly due to a repo not being available. You can get some weird > > errors if there's two package provides split across repos > > (something like a base gnome-python provided by the olpc3 repo > > where as the gnome-python-blah which was stripped out of the olpc3 > > build is then provided by the Fedora 9 repo. Overall it looks like > > an issue with cyrus-sasl. What does a "yum list cyrus-sasl*" show? > > Excluding Packages from Fedora 10 - i386 > Finished > Excluding Packages from OLPC development repository, based on koji tag dist-olpc3-devel. > Finished > Excluding Packages from Fedora 10 - i386 - Updates > Finished > Installed Packages > cyrus-sasl-lib.i386 2.1.22-19.fc10 installed > Available Packages > cyrus-sasl.i386 2.1.22-15.fc9 olpc_development > cyrus-sasl-debuginfo.i386 2.1.22-15.fc9 olpc_development > cyrus-sasl-devel.i386 2.1.22-15.fc9 olpc_development > cyrus-sasl-gssapi.i386 2.1.22-15.fc9 olpc_development > cyrus-sasl-krb4.i386 2.1.22-15.fc9 olpc_development > cyrus-sasl-ldap.i386 2.1.22-15.fc9 olpc_development > cyrus-sasl-md5.i386 2.1.22-15.fc9 olpc_development > cyrus-sasl-ntlm.i386 2.1.22-15.fc9 olpc_development > cyrus-sasl-plain.i386 2.1.22-15.fc9 olpc_development > cyrus-sasl-sql.i386 2.1.22-15.fc9 olpc_development I would remove the old fc9 build from the olpc_development repo (or even have one for 8.2.0 and one for 9.1.0 so they don't get mixed up). Surely it should be pulling cyrus-sasl from the Fedora repos anyway? Peter From cjb at laptop.org Sat Jan 3 08:45:03 2009 From: cjb at laptop.org (Chris Ball) Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2009 03:45:03 -0500 Subject: Fedora Desktop on XO In-Reply-To: <5256d0b0901022200i4e56e05ajb1f031dee7ea8e41@mail.gmail.com> (Peter Robinson's message of "Sat, 3 Jan 2009 07:00:49 +0100") References: <495A642A.1060403@laptop.org> <5256d0b0901021915w50d5d28fq20460b69bbd6c87@mail.gmail.com> <5256d0b0901022200i4e56e05ajb1f031dee7ea8e41@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Peter, > I would remove the old fc9 build from the olpc_development repo (or > even have one for 8.2.0 and one for 9.1.0 so they don't get mixed > up). Surely it should be pulling cyrus-sasl from the Fedora repos > anyway? I've just pushed a patch to pilgrim's joyride branch to switch the baseurl that gets written out in /etc/yum.repos.d/olpc-development.repo from http://xs-dev.laptop.org/~cscott/repos/dist-olpc3-devel/ to http://kojipkgs.fedoraproject.org/static-repos/dist-olpc4-build-current/i386/ (olpc3 is our 8.2/F9 repo, and olpc4 is the 9.1/F10 repo, so Joyride should have been switched to write out the olpc4 baseurl when we created the new repo.) And, after the change, we don't have depsolving problems any more! Here's the list of packages to be downloaded -- the next question is going to be how to avoid many of these dependencies. Perhaps instead of trying the groupinstall, we should be hand-picking a smaller base of GNOME packages from this list? Dependencies Resolved =============================================================================== Package Arch Version Repository Size =============================================================================== Installing: NetworkManager-gnome i386 1:0.7.0-0.12.svn4326.fc10 olpc_development 355 k alacarte noarch 0.11.6-4.fc10 olpc_development 126 k at-spi i386 1.24.0-5.fc10 olpc_development 241 k bluez-gnome i386 1.8-8.fc10 olpc_development 240 k bug-buddy i386 1:2.24.2-1.fc10 olpc_development 725 k compiz-gnome i386 0.7.8-4.fc10 olpc_development 156 k control-center i386 1:2.24.0.1-9.fc10 olpc_development 2.4 M dasher i386 4.9.0-2.fc10 olpc_development 6.7 M eog i386 2.24.2-1.fc10 olpc_development 1.9 M evince i386 2.24.2-1.fc10 olpc_development 1.2 M evince-djvu i386 2.24.2-1.fc10 olpc_development 26 k evince-dvi i386 2.24.2-1.fc10 olpc_development 77 k file-roller i386 2.24.2-1.fc10 olpc_development 1.3 M gcalctool i386 5.24.2-1.fc10 olpc_development 1.6 M gdm i386 1:2.24.0-12.fc10 olpc_development 1.1 M gdm-user-switch-applet i386 1:2.24.0-12.fc10 olpc_development 90 k gedit i386 1:2.24.2-1.fc10 olpc_development 4.2 M gnome-applets i386 1:2.24.2-2.fc10 olpc_development 6.3 M gnome-audio noarch 2.22.2-2.fc10 olpc_development 1.7 M gnome-backgrounds noarch 2.24.0-2.fc10 olpc_development 9.3 M gnome-bluetooth i386 0.11.0-5.fc10 olpc_development 243 k gnome-media i386 2.24.0.1-2.fc10 olpc_development 1.9 M gnome-panel i386 2.24.2-1.fc10 olpc_development 2.9 M gnome-pilot i386 2.0.16-2.fc9 olpc_development 644 k gnome-power-manager i386 2.24.2-2.fc10 olpc_development 2.6 M gnome-screensaver i386 2.24.1-1.fc10 olpc_development 1.8 M gnome-session i386 2.24.2-1.fc10 olpc_development 596 k gnome-system-monitor i386 2.24.1-1.fc10 olpc_development 1.9 M gnome-terminal i386 2.24.2-2.fc10 olpc_development 1.6 M gnome-user-docs noarch 2.22.1-1.fc9 olpc_development 16 M gnome-user-share i386 0.40-3.fc10 olpc_development 92 k gnome-utils i386 1:2.24.1-1.fc10 olpc_development 5.9 M gok i386 2.24.0-2.fc10 olpc_development 1.4 M gthumb i386 2.10.10-3.fc10 olpc_development 2.6 M gucharmap i386 2.24.2-1.fc10 olpc_development 2.4 M gvfs-archive i386 1.0.3-4.fc10 olpc_development 56 k gvfs-fuse i386 1.0.3-4.fc10 olpc_development 20 k gvfs-gphoto2 i386 1.0.3-4.fc10 olpc_development 85 k gvfs-smb i386 1.0.3-4.fc10 olpc_development 111 k libcanberra-gtk2 i386 0.10-2.fc10 olpc_development 20 k metacity i386 2.24.0-2.fc10 olpc_development 1.5 M mousetweaks i386 2.24.2-1.fc10 olpc_development 613 k nautilus i386 2.24.2-1.fc10 olpc_development 4.4 M nautilus-cd-burner i386 2.24.0-1.fc10 olpc_development 521 k nautilus-sendto i386 1.1.0-1.fc10 olpc_development 122 k orca i386 2.24.2-1.fc10 olpc_development 2.2 M pulseaudio-esound-compat i386 0.9.13-6.fc10 olpc_development 13 k pulseaudio-module-gconf i386 0.9.13-6.fc10 olpc_development 18 k pulseaudio-module-x11 i386 0.9.13-6.fc10 olpc_development 24 k scim-bridge-gtk i386 0.4.15-8.fc10 olpc_development 40 k tomboy i386 0.12.0-5.fc10 olpc_development 4.2 M vino i386 2.24.1-1.fc10 olpc_development 507 k xdg-user-dirs-gtk i386 0.8-2.fc10 olpc_development 41 k yelp i386 2.24.0-4.fc10 olpc_development 915 k zenity i386 2.24.0-2.fc10 olpc_development 2.0 M Installing for dependencies: Canna-libs i386 3.7p3-25.fc10 olpc_development 429 k GConf2 i386 2.24.0-1.fc10 olpc_development 1.7 M GConf2-gtk i386 2.24.0-1.fc10 olpc_development 20 k apr i386 1.3.3-1.fc10 olpc_development 133 k apr-util i386 1.3.4-1.fc10 olpc_development 91 k at-spi-python i386 1.24.0-5.fc10 olpc_development 55 k audiofile i386 1:0.2.6-9.fc10 olpc_development 103 k bluez i386 4.19-1.fc10 olpc_development 434 k bluez-libs i386 4.19-1.fc10 olpc_development 66 k cairomm i386 1.6.2-1.fc10 olpc_development 50 k cdrdao i386 1.2.2-5 olpc_development 444 k compiz i386 0.7.8-4.fc10 olpc_development 424 k compiz-fusion i386 0.7.8-2.fc10 olpc_development 1.5 M compiz-fusion-gnome i386 0.7.8-2.fc10 olpc_development 252 k control-center-filesystem i386 1:2.24.0.1-9.fc10 olpc_development 39 k cyrus-sasl-md5 i386 2.1.22-19.fc10 olpc_development 48 k cyrus-sasl-plain i386 2.1.22-19.fc10 olpc_development 28 k desktop-backgrounds-basic noarch 9.0.0-5 olpc_development 2.6 M docbook-dtds noarch 1.0-41.fc10 olpc_development 821 k dvd+rw-tools i386 7.1-1.fc10 olpc_development 138 k eel2 i386 2.24.1-4.fc10 olpc_development 266 k esound-libs i386 1:0.2.41-1.fc10 olpc_development 77 k evolution-data-server i386 2.24.2-1.fc10 olpc_development 4.0 M exempi i386 2.0.1-1.fc10 olpc_development 297 k fedora-screensaver-theme noarch 1.0.0-3.fc10 olpc_development 9.5 k fedorainfinity-screensaver-theme noarch 1.0.0-1.fc8 olpc_development 83 k festival i386 1.96-6.fc10 olpc_development 1.4 M festival-lib i386 1.96-6.fc10 olpc_development 467 k festival-speechtools-libs i386 1.2.96-6.fc10 olpc_development 1.2 M festvox-slt-arctic-hts i386 0.20061229-6.fc10 olpc_development 1.6 M fuse i386 2.7.4-1.fc10 olpc_development 83 k fuse-libs i386 2.7.4-1.fc10 olpc_development 72 k genisoimage i386 1.1.8-1.fc10 olpc_development 570 k glibmm24 i386 2.18.1-1.fc10 olpc_development 302 k gmime i386 2.2.21-1.fc10 olpc_development 167 k gmime-sharp i386 2.2.21-1.fc10 olpc_development 46 k gnome-bluetooth-libs i386 0.11.0-5.fc10 olpc_development 53 k gnome-desktop i386 2.24.2-1.fc10 olpc_development 1.0 M gnome-desktop-sharp i386 2.24.0-3.fc10 olpc_development 207 k gnome-doc-utils-stylesheets noarch 0.14.0-1.fc10 olpc_development 125 k gnome-keyring-pam i386 2.24.1-1.fc10 olpc_development 24 k gnome-mag i386 0.15.4-1.fc10 olpc_development 179 k gnome-menus i386 2.24.2-1.fc10 olpc_development 220 k gnome-panel-libs i386 2.24.2-1.fc10 olpc_development 60 k gnome-python2-applet i386 2.23.0-1.fc10 olpc_development 15 k gnome-python2-bonobo i386 2.22.3-1.fc10 olpc_development 85 k gnome-python2-desktop i386 2.23.0-1.fc10 olpc_development 51 k gnome-python2-extras i386 2.19.1-25.fc10 olpc_development 51 k gnome-python2-gnome i386 2.22.3-1.fc10 olpc_development 82 k gnome-python2-libegg i386 2.19.1-25.fc10 olpc_development 57 k gnome-session-xsession i386 2.24.2-1.fc10 olpc_development 25 k gnome-settings-daemon i386 2.24.1-3.fc10 olpc_development 448 k gnome-sharp i386 2.24.0-1.fc10 olpc_development 326 k gnome-speech i386 0.4.22-1.fc10 olpc_development 51 k gtk-sharp2 i386 2.12.7-1.fc10.1 olpc_development 831 k gtkhtml3 i386 3.24.2-1.fc10 olpc_development 1.1 M gtkmm24 i386 2.14.3-1.fc10 olpc_development 1.1 M gtkspell i386 2.0.13-1.fc10 olpc_development 34 k gvfs i386 1.0.3-4.fc10 olpc_development 1.1 M gvfs-obexftp i386 1.0.3-4.fc10 olpc_development 60 k httpd i386 2.2.10-2 olpc_development 1.1 M httpd-tools i386 2.2.10-2 olpc_development 68 k kpathsea i386 2007-35.fc10 olpc_development 115 k libXScrnSaver i386 1.1.3-1.fc10 olpc_development 16 k libXevie i386 1.0.2-4.fc10 olpc_development 10 k libarchive i386 2.5.5-2.fc10 olpc_development 102 k libbeagle i386 0.3.5-1.fc9 olpc_development 40 k libbtctl i386 0.10.0-5.fc10 olpc_development 44 k libcanberra i386 0.10-2.fc10 olpc_development 66 k libcdio i386 0.80-5.fc10 olpc_development 275 k libexif i386 0.6.16-1.fc9 olpc_development 235 k libgail-gnome i386 1.20.1-1.fc10 olpc_development 26 k libgdiplus i386 2.0-4.fc10 olpc_development 433 k libgdiplus-devel i386 2.0-4.fc10 olpc_development 8.2 k libgnomekbd i386 2.24.0-1.fc10 olpc_development 167 k libgphoto2 i386 2.4.3-1.fc10 olpc_development 1.3 M libgtop2 i386 2.24.0-2.fc10 olpc_development 119 k libgweather i386 2.24.2-1.fc10 olpc_development 13 M libiptcdata i386 1.0.2-2.fc9 olpc_development 43 k libopenraw i386 0.0.5-1.fc9 olpc_development 127 k libopenraw-gnome i386 0.0.5-1.fc9 olpc_development 6.4 k libpurple i386 2.5.2-6.fc10 olpc_development 7.2 M libsamplerate i386 0.1.4-1.fc10 olpc_development 1.3 M libsigc++20 i386 2.2.2-1.fc9 olpc_development 51 k libsilc i386 1.1.7-2.fc10 olpc_development 442 k libsmbclient i386 3.2.5-0.23.fc10 olpc_development 1.3 M libspectre i386 0.2.1-1.fc10 olpc_development 37 k libtalloc i386 1.2.0-23.fc10 olpc_development 53 k libtdb i386 1.1.1-23.fc10 olpc_development 64 k libtool-ltdl i386 1.5.26-4.fc10 olpc_development 39 k libxklavier i386 3.7-3.fc10 olpc_development 57 k meanwhile i386 1.1.0-0.fc10 olpc_development 109 k mesa-dri-drivers i386 7.2-0.15.fc10 olpc_development 2.0 M mesa-libGL i386 7.2-0.15.fc10 olpc_development 167 k mesa-libGLU i386 7.2-0.15.fc10 olpc_development 198 k mono-addins i386 0.3.1-2.2.fc10 olpc_development 265 k mono-core i386 2.0.1-12.fc10 olpc_development 9.9 M mono-data i386 2.0.1-12.fc10 olpc_development 1.5 M mono-data-sqlite i386 2.0.1-12.fc10 olpc_development 151 k mono-extras i386 2.0.1-12.fc10 olpc_development 255 k mono-web i386 2.0.1-12.fc10 olpc_development 2.9 M mono-winforms i386 2.0.1-12.fc10 olpc_development 2.9 M nautilus-extensions i386 2.24.2-1.fc10 olpc_development 46 k ndesk-dbus i386 0.6.1a-2.fc9 olpc_development 58 k ndesk-dbus-glib i386 0.4.1-3.fc9 olpc_development 9.5 k obex-data-server i386 1:0.4.1-1.fc10 olpc_development 75 k openobex i386 1.4-1.fc10 olpc_development 38 k pangomm i386 2.14.1-1.fc10 olpc_development 69 k pilot-link i386 2:0.12.3-18.fc10 olpc_development 1.0 M plymouth-gdm-hooks i386 0.6.0-0.2008.11.17.3.fc10 olpc_development 16 k plymouth-utils i386 0.6.0-0.2008.11.17.3.fc10 olpc_development 22 k pulseaudio i386 0.9.13-6.fc10 olpc_development 407 k pulseaudio-core-libs i386 0.9.13-6.fc10 olpc_development 208 k pyorbit i386 2.24.0-1.fc10 olpc_development 50 k rarian i386 0.8.1-1.fc10 olpc_development 106 k rarian-compat i386 0.8.1-1.fc10 olpc_development 101 k redhat-menus noarch 10.0.1-1.fc10 olpc_development 222 k samba-common i386 3.2.5-0.23.fc10 olpc_development 11 M samba-winbind i386 3.2.5-0.23.fc10 olpc_development 2.9 M scim-bridge i386 0.4.15-8.fc10 olpc_development 99 k sgml-common noarch 0.6.3-26.fc10 olpc_development 43 k solar-backgrounds noarch 0.92.0-1.fc10 olpc_development 13 M sound-theme-freedesktop noarch 0.2-2.fc10 olpc_development 766 k texlive i386 2007-35.fc10 olpc_development 1.9 M texlive-texmf noarch 2007-26.fc10 olpc_development 3.5 M texlive-texmf-dvips noarch 2007-26.fc10 olpc_development 377 k texlive-texmf-errata noarch 2007-4.fc9 olpc_development 3.5 k texlive-texmf-errata-dvips noarch 2007-4.fc9 olpc_development 3.5 k texlive-texmf-errata-fonts noarch 2007-4.fc9 olpc_development 3.6 k texlive-texmf-fonts noarch 2007-26.fc10 olpc_development 56 M unique i386 1.0.0-1.fc10 olpc_development 33 k usermode i386 1.98.1-1 olpc_development 206 k wodim i386 1.1.8-1.fc10 olpc_development 514 k xdg-user-dirs i386 0.10-1.fc9 olpc_development 39 k Transaction Summary =============================================================================== Install 189 Package(s) Update 0 Package(s) Remove 0 Package(s) Total download size: 267 M Thanks! - Chris. -- Chris Ball From pbrobinson at gmail.com Sat Jan 3 09:43:36 2009 From: pbrobinson at gmail.com (Peter Robinson) Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 10:43:36 +0100 Subject: Fedora Desktop on XO In-Reply-To: References: <495A642A.1060403@laptop.org> <5256d0b0901021915w50d5d28fq20460b69bbd6c87@mail.gmail.com> <5256d0b0901022200i4e56e05ajb1f031dee7ea8e41@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5256d0b0901030143v5f39f580xe2da04399a2f7c0@mail.gmail.com> Hi Chris, > > I would remove the old fc9 build from the olpc_development repo (or > > even have one for 8.2.0 and one for 9.1.0 so they don't get mixed > > up). Surely it should be pulling cyrus-sasl from the Fedora repos > > anyway? > > I've just pushed a patch to pilgrim's joyride branch to switch the > baseurl that gets written out in /etc/yum.repos.d/olpc-development.repo > from http://xs-dev.laptop.org/~cscott/repos/dist-olpc3-devel/ to > http://kojipkgs.fedoraproject.org/static-repos/dist-olpc4-build-current/i386/ > > (olpc3 is our 8.2/F9 repo, and olpc4 is the 9.1/F10 repo, so Joyride > should have been switched to write out the olpc4 baseurl when we > created the new repo.) > > And, after the change, we don't have depsolving problems any more! > Here's the list of packages to be downloaded -- the next question is > going to be how to avoid many of these dependencies. Perhaps instead > of trying the groupinstall, we should be hand-picking a smaller base > of GNOME packages from this list? Well its the list up to the "Installing for dependencies" that is explicitly requested, all the below is pulled in for deps. I'm not sure how pilgrim builds the list but I think if it uses kickstart like the other fedora build systems do you should be able to do a specific "-packagename" and its removed from the list. A quick look through the list..... if you remove tomboy you should loose all the mono deps, bluez-gnome and gnome-bluetooth should drop out all the bluetooth related stuff, nautilus-cd-burner and nautilus-sendto should drop various other non required deps (various CD burning stuff and pidgin etc), compiz* won't be required as I doubt the graphics adapter does cool whirly effects, That should be a start to reduce the dep list quite significantly. >From there if there's extra deps we need to drop from specific packages as its for a gnome desktop it would be best to file a bug and link it against the tracker bug for OLPC packages in fedora for easy tracking rather than forking. Cheers, Peter From gdk at redhat.com Sat Jan 3 22:20:50 2009 From: gdk at redhat.com (Greg Dekoenigsberg) Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 17:20:50 -0500 (EST) Subject: List of packages in XO SW and not in Fedora 10 In-Reply-To: <495A6103.8080605@laptop.org> References: <495A6103.8080605@laptop.org> Message-ID: Here's the list of packages that are unique to dist-olpc4, according to my koji run from today: GConf2-dbus-2.16.0-14.fc10 dist-olpc4 pbrobinson SDL_mixer-1.2.8-9.olpc4.1 dist-olpc4 ausil abiword-2.6.5-3.olpc4 dist-olpc4 uwog fedora-release-10-1.2 dist-olpc4 dsd hippo-canvas-0.3.0-5.20081014svn.olpc4 dist-olpc4 tomeu hulahop-0.4.7-1.olpc4 dist-olpc4 ausil initscripts-8.86-1.olpc4.3 dist-olpc4 mpg ohm-0.1.1-7.22.20080921git.fc10 dist-olpc4 pbrobinson olpc-netutils-0.7-2.fc10 dist-olpc4 pbrobinson olpc-utils-0.89-6.fc10 dist-olpc4 pbrobinson olpcsound-5.08.92-12.fc10 dist-olpc4 pbrobinson sugar-0.83.3-1.olpc4 dist-olpc4 erikos sugar-artwork-0.83.2-1.olpc4 dist-olpc4 erikos sugar-base-0.83.2-2.olpc4 dist-olpc4 erikos sugar-datastore-0.83.1-1.olpc4 dist-olpc4 erikos sugar-evince-2.24.1-1.olpc4 dist-olpc4 dsd sugar-presence-service-0.83.2-1.olpc4 dist-olpc4 morgan sugar-toolkit-0.83.2-3.olpc4 dist-olpc4 erikos telepathy-gabble-0.7.16-1.olpc4 dist-olpc4 morgan telepathy-glib-0.7.20-1.olpc4 dist-olpc4 morgan telepathy-salut-0.3.6-1.olpc4 dist-olpc4 morgan totem-2.24.3-5.olpc4 dist-olpc4 pbrobinson totem-pl-parser-2.24.2-5.olpc4 dist-olpc4 pbrobinson upstart-0.3.9-19.olpc4.1 dist-olpc4 ausil --g -- Got an OLPC that you're not using? Loan it to a needy developer! [[ http://wiki.laptop.org/go/XO_Exchange_Registry ]] On Tue, 30 Dec 2008, Greg Smith wrote: > Hi Greg D or Dennis, > > Can you post a list of packages which are in XO Software but not "upstream" > yet? > > I wrote down "koji latest-pkg dist-olpc4 --all" from our last IRC meeting and > documented it here: > http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Feature_roadmap/Rebase_on_Fedora_10 > > but I don't know where or how to execute that. > > If you can run it and get a list and post it to that wiki page that would be > great. Or you could link to the documentation which shows how anyone can > generate that list. > > I want to have this in hand before I talk to John P at Fudcon January 8 so > any help appreciated. > > Thanks, > > Greg S > > > From pbrobinson at gmail.com Sun Jan 4 00:10:32 2009 From: pbrobinson at gmail.com (Peter Robinson) Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2009 01:10:32 +0100 Subject: List of packages in XO SW and not in Fedora 10 In-Reply-To: References: <495A6103.8080605@laptop.org> Message-ID: <5256d0b0901031610q534690e2ic16a41c8f9364d2a@mail.gmail.com> > hippo-canvas-0.3.0-5.20081014svn.olpc4 dist-olpc4 tomeu > hulahop-0.4.7-1.olpc4 dist-olpc4 ausil Is there a reason why these aren't in Fedora mainline, I think they're both just for OLPC and hence wouldn't impact being in mainline > ohm-0.1.1-7.22.20080921git.fc10 dist-olpc4 pbrobinson > olpc-netutils-0.7-2.fc10 dist-olpc4 pbrobinson > olpc-utils-0.89-6.fc10 dist-olpc4 pbrobinson > olpcsound-5.08.92-12.fc10 dist-olpc4 pbrobinson These are actually in mainline but were tagged for OLPC so they would end up in joyride quicker, I'll untag them otherwise we don't get newer Fedora builds. Peter > -- > Got an OLPC that you're not using? Loan it to a needy developer! > [[ http://wiki.laptop.org/go/XO_Exchange_Registry ]] > > On Tue, 30 Dec 2008, Greg Smith wrote: > >> Hi Greg D or Dennis, >> >> Can you post a list of packages which are in XO Software but not >> "upstream" yet? >> >> I wrote down "koji latest-pkg dist-olpc4 --all" from our last IRC meeting >> and documented it here: >> http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Feature_roadmap/Rebase_on_Fedora_10 >> >> but I don't know where or how to execute that. >> >> If you can run it and get a list and post it to that wiki page that would >> be great. Or you could link to the documentation which shows how anyone can >> generate that list. >> >> I want to have this in hand before I talk to John P at Fudcon January 8 so >> any help appreciated. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Greg S >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-olpc-list mailing list > Fedora-olpc-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-olpc-list > From michael at laptop.org Mon Jan 5 19:18:02 2009 From: michael at laptop.org (Michael Stone) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 14:18:02 -0500 Subject: Please help test our pre-release build of 8.2.1 In-Reply-To: References: <1230912551.4434.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20090105191802.GS3164@didacte.laptop.org> On Fri, Jan 02, 2009 at 11:04:01PM +0100, Bert Freudenberg wrote: >On 02.01.2009, at 17:09, Brian Pepple wrote: > >> Hi All, >> >> A pre-release build of 8.2.1 is now available for testing. It has >> passed >> an initial smoke test and now needs broader testing. >> >> The build download and problem reporting instructions are here: >> http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Friends_in_testing#Current_status >> >> The very early draft release notes are here: >> http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Release_Notes/8.2.1 >> >> Please send a note to the list if you try this build even if you don't >> find anything interesting. We want to measure our test capacity. > > >You should mention that you want people to test the latest "staging" >build, not the latest "8.2.1" build (which is exactly the same as >8.2.0 at this point): > >http://dev.laptop.org/~bert/8.2.1-staging.html > >This is a significant change from previous release procedures (e.g., I >was not even aware that "staging" builds were meant for testing). Bert, Here's the idea: (f10/olpc4) (f9/olpc3) | | v v joyride staging | | v v (9.1.0) 8.2.1 \ \ available now. \ will be created eventually (This is the first time we've had two active integration streams.) Does this help clarify things? Michael From gdk at redhat.com Mon Jan 5 20:24:17 2009 From: gdk at redhat.com (Greg Dekoenigsberg) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 15:24:17 -0500 (EST) Subject: Attending FUDCon? Please read. Message-ID: OK, folks. We've got only a few days left until FUDCon, and we should have a pretty strong OLPC presence there. Let's make sure we're using it properly. Seems to me we need to have discussions/hackfests on: * xo packaging versus rpm. What should we be doing here? Should we be packaging every xo as an rpm, or not? Should we be building "xo bundles" as RPMs? It would be a good idea to agree on how to spend our scarce resources here. * olpc/fedora roadmap discussions. Greg Smith, I know you're planning on meeting with John Poelstra, but it might be helpful to run this as a hackfest/planning session on Friday. * f10/olpc4 sprint. Everyone get together and pore over the packages in olpc4, figure out why they're forked, and put together the plan for unforking each and every one of them. Any others? My point here is that we should get them on THIS page, asap: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon/FUDConF11#Hackfest_sessions I will volunteer to lead the xo/rpm discussion, and have added it to the wiki. I'd love to see some other sessions on the wiki soon, hint hint. :) --g -- Got an OLPC that you're not using? Loan it to a needy developer! [[ http://wiki.laptop.org/go/XO_Exchange_Registry ]] From mikus at bga.com Mon Jan 5 21:30:49 2009 From: mikus at bga.com (Mikus Grinbergs) Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2009 16:30:49 -0500 Subject: Attending FUDCon? Please read. Message-ID: <49627C09.30701@bga.com> > Seems to me we need to have discussions/hackfests on: > * xo packaging versus rpm. My comments to that topic: - .rpm packages get installed by root; .xo packages by user - .xo packages might be deployed via "customization stick" method mikus From gdk at redhat.com Mon Jan 5 21:28:37 2009 From: gdk at redhat.com (Greg Dekoenigsberg) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 16:28:37 -0500 (EST) Subject: Attending FUDCon? Please read. In-Reply-To: <49627C09.30701@bga.com> References: <49627C09.30701@bga.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 5 Jan 2009, Mikus Grinbergs wrote: >> Seems to me we need to have discussions/hackfests on: >> * xo packaging versus rpm. > > My comments to that topic: > - .rpm packages get installed by root; .xo packages by user Yep. Fundamental and important distinction, I think. --g -- Got an OLPC that you're not using? Loan it to a needy developer! [[ http://wiki.laptop.org/go/XO_Exchange_Registry ]] From bpepple at fedoraproject.org Mon Jan 5 23:56:28 2009 From: bpepple at fedoraproject.org (Brian Pepple) Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2009 18:56:28 -0500 Subject: List of packages in XO SW and not in Fedora 10 In-Reply-To: References: <495A6103.8080605@laptop.org> Message-ID: <1231199788.17295.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sat, 2009-01-03 at 17:20 -0500, Greg Dekoenigsberg wrote: > Here's the list of packages that are unique to dist-olpc4, according to > my koji run from today: > SDL_mixer-1.2.8-9.olpc4.1 dist-olpc4 ausil I've got an open bug on this to move the examples that timidty++-patch pulls in into a subpackage. Once I do that we shouldn't need the OLPC branch anymore. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=471623 > telepathy-gabble-0.7.16-1.olpc4 dist-olpc4 morgan > telepathy-glib-0.7.20-1.olpc4 dist-olpc4 morgan > telepathy-salut-0.3.6-1.olpc4 dist-olpc4 morgan Most likely these will need to keep the OLPC branches, since I believe they have some OLPC-specific patches. Later, /B -- Brian Pepple https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Bpepple gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys 810CC15E BD5E 6F9E 8688 E668 8F5B CBDE 326A E936 810C C15E -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Michael From pbrobinson at gmail.com Tue Jan 6 06:50:53 2009 From: pbrobinson at gmail.com (Peter Robinson) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 07:50:53 +0100 Subject: Fedora Desktop on XO In-Reply-To: <5256d0b0901030143v5f39f580xe2da04399a2f7c0@mail.gmail.com> References: <495A642A.1060403@laptop.org> <5256d0b0901021915w50d5d28fq20460b69bbd6c87@mail.gmail.com> <5256d0b0901022200i4e56e05ajb1f031dee7ea8e41@mail.gmail.com> <5256d0b0901030143v5f39f580xe2da04399a2f7c0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5256d0b0901052250s3e380d96rdc63f6dc61d8b863@mail.gmail.com> Hi Chris, >> > I would remove the old fc9 build from the olpc_development repo (or >> > even have one for 8.2.0 and one for 9.1.0 so they don't get mixed >> > up). Surely it should be pulling cyrus-sasl from the Fedora repos >> > anyway? >> >> I've just pushed a patch to pilgrim's joyride branch to switch the >> baseurl that gets written out in /etc/yum.repos.d/olpc-development.repo >> from http://xs-dev.laptop.org/~cscott/repos/dist-olpc3-devel/ to >> http://kojipkgs.fedoraproject.org/static-repos/dist-olpc4-build-current/i386/ >> >> (olpc3 is our 8.2/F9 repo, and olpc4 is the 9.1/F10 repo, so Joyride >> should have been switched to write out the olpc4 baseurl when we >> created the new repo.) >> >> And, after the change, we don't have depsolving problems any more! >> Here's the list of packages to be downloaded -- the next question is >> going to be how to avoid many of these dependencies. Perhaps instead >> of trying the groupinstall, we should be hand-picking a smaller base >> of GNOME packages from this list? > > Well its the list up to the "Installing for dependencies" that is > explicitly requested, all the below is pulled in for deps. I'm not > sure how pilgrim builds the list but I think if it uses kickstart like > the other fedora build systems do you should be able to do a specific > "-packagename" and its removed from the list. > > A quick look through the list..... if you remove tomboy you should > loose all the mono deps, bluez-gnome and gnome-bluetooth should drop > out all the bluetooth related stuff, nautilus-cd-burner and > nautilus-sendto should drop various other non required deps (various > CD burning stuff and pidgin etc), compiz* won't be required as I doubt > the graphics adapter does cool whirly effects, How did you go with this? Did you have any luck? I also realised that if you drop gnome-user-share you'll drop all the httpd requirements. I was going through the list of stuff at http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Feature_roadmap/Run_Fedora_applications_on_XO and have a few comments on the points made. Some might be obvious, some not so much. * Must support camera, microphone, speakers, wifi 802.11 A/B/G, touchpad, Keyboard, USB interfaces, and SD interface. - being based on Fedora all of the above comes as standard. I presume with the wifi bit you mean support of the onboard wifi interface. * Does not need to make it easy to share files between Fedora and Sugar. - assuming its all running from the same base OS and just switching GUIs this should be OK except for stuff stored in the journal possibly. If its stored in the journal would it be possible to write a gio interface for the journal ? * Must fully support Yum. - This would come as standard. * Must come with nnnn applications on default install (will be chosen and will be a very minimal set). - this would be dependant on the choice of apps. we already have the base of quite a few installed from the gnome side of things (totem, abiword etc) in some cases its a matter of just adding the standard 'GUI' along with the sugar one. * Must boot as fast as Sugar. - in most cases its the other parts of the OS that take the time. Not sure how you'll switch between the two but in the case of a gnome gui it would be mostly the 'login time' difference. * Must support upgrading the Fedora version and the Sugar version in 9.2.0 and future releases. - Like yum support this would be automatic :-) * Must not keep two copies of any files or libraries. Any file which is exactly the same on both Sugar and Fedora images should be used by both and should not take twice the space. - The issue here would be forked libraries. The ones that come to mind specifically are abiword, totem, totem-pl-parser, telepathy and GConf2-dbus. In some cases where the gnome desktop requires evolution-data-server in other areas anyway there is suddenly very little need to keep the forked packages around. A gnome based desktop make some sense in the discussions as we already package so much of it already Cheers, Peter From gregsmitholpc at gmail.com Tue Jan 6 17:56:13 2009 From: gregsmitholpc at gmail.com (Greg Smith) Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2009 12:56:13 -0500 Subject: Attending FUDCon? Please read. In-Reply-To: <20090106170029.5EDED619E78@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20090106170029.5EDED619E78@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <49639B3D.7090608@laptop.org> Hi Greg D, I added a hackfest to the Friday list covering Fedora/OLPC roadmap synch and plan for making all XO code upstream. I'm not sure how we gather but I'll plan to camp out there all day Friday. Believe it or not, I haven't been inside an MIT building since I played D&D in the tunnels in the 70s! I look forward to seeing The Institute as a real guest for the first time :-) Thanks, Greg S > Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 15:24:17 -0500 (EST) > From: Greg Dekoenigsberg > Subject: Attending FUDCon? Please read. > To: Fedora-olpc-list at redhat.com > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII > > > OK, folks. We've got only a few days left until FUDCon, and we should > have a pretty strong OLPC presence there. Let's make sure we're using it > properly. > > Seems to me we need to have discussions/hackfests on: > > * xo packaging versus rpm. What should we be doing here? Should we be > packaging every xo as an rpm, or not? Should we be building "xo bundles" > as RPMs? It would be a good idea to agree on how to spend our scarce > resources here. > > * olpc/fedora roadmap discussions. Greg Smith, I know you're planning on > meeting with John Poelstra, but it might be helpful to run this as a > hackfest/planning session on Friday. > > * f10/olpc4 sprint. Everyone get together and pore over the packages in > olpc4, figure out why they're forked, and put together the plan for > unforking each and every one of them. > > Any others? My point here is that we should get them on THIS page, asap: > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon/FUDConF11#Hackfest_sessions > > I will volunteer to lead the xo/rpm discussion, and have added it to the > wiki. I'd love to see some other sessions on the wiki soon, hint hint. > :) > > --g > > -- > Got an OLPC that you're not using? Loan it to a needy developer! > [[ http://wiki.laptop.org/go/XO_Exchange_Registry ]] > > From gdk at redhat.com Tue Jan 6 17:57:29 2009 From: gdk at redhat.com (Greg Dekoenigsberg) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 17:57:29 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Attending FUDCon? Please read. In-Reply-To: <49639B3D.7090608@laptop.org> References: <20090106170029.5EDED619E78@hormel.redhat.com> <49639B3D.7090608@laptop.org> Message-ID: On Tue, 6 Jan 2009, Greg Smith wrote: > Hi Greg D, > > I added a hackfest to the Friday list covering Fedora/OLPC roadmap synch and > plan for making all XO code upstream. Brilliant. Thanks. > I'm not sure how we gather but I'll plan to camp out there all day Friday. Everyone will gather on Friday morning at 10am to pitch their hackfest sessions, and then will spend the rest of the day working on stuff. I expect that you'll get a few folks joining -- I'll certainly be doing some arm-twisting myself. > Believe it or not, I haven't been inside an MIT building since I played D&D > in the tunnels in the 70s! Now there's a hilarious mental image. :) --g -- Got an OLPC that you're not using? Loan it to a needy developer! [[ http://wiki.laptop.org/go/XO_Exchange_Registry ]] From cjb at laptop.org Tue Jan 6 18:31:12 2009 From: cjb at laptop.org (Chris Ball) Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2009 13:31:12 -0500 Subject: Fedora Desktop on XO In-Reply-To: <5256d0b0901052250s3e380d96rdc63f6dc61d8b863@mail.gmail.com> (Peter Robinson's message of "Tue, 6 Jan 2009 07:50:53 +0100") References: <495A642A.1060403@laptop.org> <5256d0b0901021915w50d5d28fq20460b69bbd6c87@mail.gmail.com> <5256d0b0901022200i4e56e05ajb1f031dee7ea8e41@mail.gmail.com> <5256d0b0901030143v5f39f580xe2da04399a2f7c0@mail.gmail.com> <5256d0b0901052250s3e380d96rdc63f6dc61d8b863@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Peter, > How did you go with this? Did you have any luck? I also realised > that if you drop gnome-user-share you'll drop all the httpd > requirements. Yep, it worked! I had RPM conflicts in GConf2 (against GConf2-dbus, both ship the same .mo files) and evince (against sugar-evince, both ship the same evince backend shared libraries). Also, it turns out that evince-dvi is responsible for bringing in texlive, via kpathsea. Here's the command I'm using now: -bash-3.2# yum -y install NetworkManager-gnome alacarte at-spi bug-buddy control-center eog file-roller gcalctool gdm gdm-user-switch-applet gedit gnome-applets gnome-audio gnome-backgrounds gnome-media gnome-panel gnome-power-manager gnome-screensaver gnome-session gnome-system-monitor gnome-terminal gnome-user-docs gnome-utils gok gthumb gucharmap gvfs-archive gvfs-fuse gvfs-gphoto2 gvfs-smb libcanberra-gtk2 metacity mousetweaks nautilus orca pulseaudio-esound-compat pulseaudio-module-gconf pulseaudio-module-x11 scim-bridge-gtk xdg-user-dirs-gtk yelp zenity Total size: 152 M After that completes, you can put "exec gnome-session" in ~/.xsession and restart X to land in a very normal looking F10 GNOME desktop. (I haven't tried to do much with it yet. Sound works, at least.) Thanks! - Chris. -- Chris Ball From gdk at redhat.com Tue Jan 6 18:59:16 2009 From: gdk at redhat.com (Greg Dekoenigsberg) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 18:59:16 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Fedora Desktop on XO In-Reply-To: <20090106185206.GA11187@eggs> References: <495A642A.1060403@laptop.org> <5256d0b0901021915w50d5d28fq20460b69bbd6c87@mail.gmail.com> <5256d0b0901022200i4e56e05ajb1f031dee7ea8e41@mail.gmail.com> <5256d0b0901030143v5f39f580xe2da04399a2f7c0@mail.gmail.com> <5256d0b0901052250s3e380d96rdc63f6dc61d8b863@mail.gmail.com> <20090106185206.GA11187@eggs> Message-ID: On Tue, 6 Jan 2009, Erik Garrison wrote: > On Tue, Jan 06, 2009 at 01:31:12PM -0500, Chris Ball wrote: >> Hi Peter, >> >> > How did you go with this? Did you have any luck? I also realised >> > that if you drop gnome-user-share you'll drop all the httpd >> > requirements. >> >> Yep, it worked! I had RPM conflicts in GConf2 (against GConf2-dbus, >> both ship the same .mo files) and evince (against sugar-evince, both >> ship the same evince backend shared libraries). Also, it turns out >> that evince-dvi is responsible for bringing in texlive, via kpathsea. >> >> Here's the command I'm using now: >> >> -bash-3.2# yum -y install NetworkManager-gnome alacarte at-spi bug-buddy >> control-center eog file-roller gcalctool gdm gdm-user-switch-applet >> gedit gnome-applets gnome-audio gnome-backgrounds gnome-media >> gnome-panel gnome-power-manager gnome-screensaver gnome-session >> gnome-system-monitor gnome-terminal gnome-user-docs gnome-utils >> gok gthumb gucharmap gvfs-archive gvfs-fuse gvfs-gphoto2 gvfs-smb >> libcanberra-gtk2 metacity mousetweaks nautilus orca >> pulseaudio-esound-compat pulseaudio-module-gconf pulseaudio-module-x11 >> scim-bridge-gtk xdg-user-dirs-gtk yelp zenity >> >> Total size: 152 M >> >> After that completes, you can put "exec gnome-session" in ~/.xsession >> and restart X to land in a very normal looking F10 GNOME desktop. >> (I haven't tried to do much with it yet. Sound works, at least.) >> >> Thanks! >> >> - Chris. > > Sweet. > > Now, the question I have is why we would chose GNOME over XFCE. I think > there are significant differences in system resource consumption. A fine question indeed. > I ask because the impression I had from informal tests was that a system > booting into GNOME was consuming about 3x as much RAM on boot (read via > ps_mem.py). My impression was that the benefit was not eaten up the > moment the I started running GTK applications; it seemed that under XFCE > I could open a fair number more Firefox tabs without running into lockup > than under GNOME. I know these aren't great metrics so I'll run some > more rigorous tests after we have two systems side-by-side for > comparison. > > Even though XFCE is not a Fedora-supported desktop environment... Note that this does *not* mean that Xfce is not available in Fedora. There are Xfce spins built for Fedora that you can download and run right now, and I'm sure they're comparable, and Sebastian Dziallas is working on making a more "official" spin right now. It's all a question of what "official" means, and that changes in direct proportion to number of users. > ...it is readily supported in other distributions. We could easily > borrow the polish that XUbuntu has applied to its distribution and get a > system equally usable as GNOME. --g -- Got an OLPC that you're not using? Loan it to a needy developer! [[ http://wiki.laptop.org/go/XO_Exchange_Registry ]] From cjb at laptop.org Tue Jan 6 19:23:24 2009 From: cjb at laptop.org (Chris Ball) Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2009 14:23:24 -0500 Subject: Fedora Desktop on XO In-Reply-To: <20090106185206.GA11187@eggs> (Erik Garrison's message of "Tue, 6 Jan 2009 13:52:06 -0500") References: <495A642A.1060403@laptop.org> <5256d0b0901021915w50d5d28fq20460b69bbd6c87@mail.gmail.com> <5256d0b0901022200i4e56e05ajb1f031dee7ea8e41@mail.gmail.com> <5256d0b0901030143v5f39f580xe2da04399a2f7c0@mail.gmail.com> <5256d0b0901052250s3e380d96rdc63f6dc61d8b863@mail.gmail.com> <20090106185206.GA11187@eggs> Message-ID: Hi, > Now, the question I have is why we would chose GNOME over XFCE. I > think there are significant differences in system resource > consumption. We had a long thread about whether to use GNOME or XFCE on devel@ last month. I suggested XFCE, and was persuaded that the disk image size of DebXO+GNOME is not significantly different than DebXO+XFCE, and that both run fine without swap, suggesting that we might be able to pull off GNOME on Fedora. If we find it unbearable, I'm fine with using XFCE instead, but my impression was that GNOME is preferred. (For the record, I'm not against investigating adding some swap for 9.1 now that we have NAND partitioning available. We'd have to be more sure of our estimate that it won't significantly shorten the lifespan of the flash chip, though. What do people think?) > Even though XFCE is not a Fedora-supported desktop environment, it > is readily supported in other distributions. We could easily > borrow the polish that XUbuntu has applied to its distribution and > get a system equally usable as GNOME. Scott previously made a build stream ("faster") that contains both Sugar and XFCE and a way to switch between them, so this integration work has already been done. - Chris. -- Chris Ball From cjb at laptop.org Tue Jan 6 19:30:45 2009 From: cjb at laptop.org (Chris Ball) Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2009 14:30:45 -0500 Subject: Fedora Desktop on XO In-Reply-To: <20090106185206.GA11187@eggs> (Erik Garrison's message of "Tue, 6 Jan 2009 13:52:06 -0500") References: <495A642A.1060403@laptop.org> <5256d0b0901021915w50d5d28fq20460b69bbd6c87@mail.gmail.com> <5256d0b0901022200i4e56e05ajb1f031dee7ea8e41@mail.gmail.com> <5256d0b0901030143v5f39f580xe2da04399a2f7c0@mail.gmail.com> <5256d0b0901052250s3e380d96rdc63f6dc61d8b863@mail.gmail.com> <20090106185206.GA11187@eggs> Message-ID: Hi, > Now, the question I have is why we would chose GNOME over XFCE. > I think there are significant differences in system resource > consumption. Ed, maybe you can help here -- since this has been going back and forth for a while, could you help us come to/make a decision about whether to target GNOME or XFCE for the 9.1 desktop feature? Thanks. - Chris. -- Chris Ball From dsaxena at laptop.org Tue Jan 6 19:35:33 2009 From: dsaxena at laptop.org (Deepak Saxena) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 11:35:33 -0800 Subject: Fedora Desktop on XO In-Reply-To: References: <495A642A.1060403@laptop.org> <5256d0b0901021915w50d5d28fq20460b69bbd6c87@mail.gmail.com> <5256d0b0901022200i4e56e05ajb1f031dee7ea8e41@mail.gmail.com> <5256d0b0901030143v5f39f580xe2da04399a2f7c0@mail.gmail.com> <5256d0b0901052250s3e380d96rdc63f6dc61d8b863@mail.gmail.com> <20090106185206.GA11187@eggs> Message-ID: <20090106193533.GA3563@trantor.hsd1.or.comcast.net> On Jan 06 2009, at 14:23, Chris Ball was caught saying: > Hi, > > > Now, the question I have is why we would chose GNOME over XFCE. I > > think there are significant differences in system resource > > consumption. > > We had a long thread about whether to use GNOME or XFCE on devel@ last > month. I suggested XFCE, and was persuaded that the disk image size > of DebXO+GNOME is not significantly different than DebXO+XFCE, and that > both run fine without swap, suggesting that we might be able to pull off > GNOME on Fedora. If we find it unbearable, I'm fine with using XFCE > instead, but my impression was that GNOME is preferred. > > (For the record, I'm not against investigating adding some swap for 9.1 > now that we have NAND partitioning available. We'd have to be more sure > of our estimate that it won't significantly shorten the lifespan of the > flash chip, though. What do people think?) I think I missed the previous conversation, re: estimate , but I'm thinking that swap will have significant impact on the lifetime of the flash chip. With only 256MiB of RAM, we are bound to swap a lot. I'd feel more comfortable if we did flash-wide wear leveling using UBI and created a swap partition on to pof that. ~Deepak -- Deepak Saxena - Kernel Developer, One Laptop Per Child _____ __o (o> ------ -\<, Give One Laptop, Get One Laptop //\ ----- ( )/ ( ) http://www.amazon.com/xo V_/_ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From pgf at laptop.org Tue Jan 6 19:39:09 2009 From: pgf at laptop.org (pgf at laptop.org) Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2009 14:39:09 -0500 Subject: Fedora Desktop on XO In-Reply-To: References: <495A642A.1060403@laptop.org> <5256d0b0901021915w50d5d28fq20460b69bbd6c87@mail.gmail.com> <5256d0b0901022200i4e56e05ajb1f031dee7ea8e41@mail.gmail.com> <5256d0b0901030143v5f39f580xe2da04399a2f7c0@mail.gmail.com> <5256d0b0901052250s3e380d96rdc63f6dc61d8b863@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <30789.1231270749@foxharp.boston.ma.us> chris wrote: > Hi Peter, > > > How did you go with this? Did you have any luck? I also realised > > that if you drop gnome-user-share you'll drop all the httpd > > requirements. > > Yep, it worked! I had RPM conflicts in GConf2 (against GConf2-dbus, > both ship the same .mo files) and evince (against sugar-evince, both > ship the same evince backend shared libraries). Also, it turns out > that evince-dvi is responsible for bringing in texlive, via kpathsea. > > Here's the command I'm using now: > > -bash-3.2# yum -y install NetworkManager-gnome alacarte at-spi bug-buddy > control-center eog file-roller gcalctool gdm gdm-user-switch-applet > gedit gnome-applets gnome-audio gnome-backgrounds gnome-media > gnome-panel gnome-power-manager gnome-screensaver gnome-session what happens when you push the power button? i assume the laptop will suspend due to ohmd, but i think g-p-m is doing the same dbus listen, no? paul =--------------------- paul fox, pgf at laptop.org give one laptop, get one laptop --- http://www.laptop.com/xo From cjb at laptop.org Tue Jan 6 19:42:53 2009 From: cjb at laptop.org (Chris Ball) Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2009 14:42:53 -0500 Subject: Fedora Desktop on XO In-Reply-To: <20090106193533.GA3563@trantor.hsd1.or.comcast.net> (Deepak Saxena's message of "Tue, 6 Jan 2009 11:35:33 -0800") References: <495A642A.1060403@laptop.org> <5256d0b0901021915w50d5d28fq20460b69bbd6c87@mail.gmail.com> <5256d0b0901022200i4e56e05ajb1f031dee7ea8e41@mail.gmail.com> <5256d0b0901030143v5f39f580xe2da04399a2f7c0@mail.gmail.com> <5256d0b0901052250s3e380d96rdc63f6dc61d8b863@mail.gmail.com> <20090106185206.GA11187@eggs> <20090106193533.GA3563@trantor.hsd1.or.comcast.net> Message-ID: Hi, > I think I missed the previous conversation, re: estimate , but I'm > thinking that swap will have significant impact on the lifetime of > the flash chip. With only 256MiB of RAM, we are bound to swap a > lot. I'd feel more comfortable if we did flash-wide wear leveling > using UBI and created a swap partition on to pof that. That's fine with me too. Are we still planning on moving to UBI for 9.1? If not, maybe we can work out how to get swap files working on JFFS2 (where they would be wear-leveled)? The previous conversation is: http://www.mail-archive.com/devel at lists.laptop.org/msg03766.html > _____ __o (o> > ------ -\<, Give One Laptop, Get One Laptop //\ > ----- ( )/ ( ) http://www.amazon.com/xo V_/_ Not anymore. :) - Chris. -- Chris Ball From cjb at laptop.org Tue Jan 6 19:45:21 2009 From: cjb at laptop.org (Chris Ball) Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2009 14:45:21 -0500 Subject: Fedora Desktop on XO In-Reply-To: <30789.1231270749@foxharp.boston.ma.us> (pgf@laptop.org's message of "Tue, 06 Jan 2009 14:39:09 -0500") References: <495A642A.1060403@laptop.org> <5256d0b0901021915w50d5d28fq20460b69bbd6c87@mail.gmail.com> <5256d0b0901022200i4e56e05ajb1f031dee7ea8e41@mail.gmail.com> <5256d0b0901030143v5f39f580xe2da04399a2f7c0@mail.gmail.com> <5256d0b0901052250s3e380d96rdc63f6dc61d8b863@mail.gmail.com> <30789.1231270749@foxharp.boston.ma.us> Message-ID: Hi, > what happens when you push the power button? > i assume the laptop will suspend due to ohmd, but i think g-p-m is > doing the same dbus listen, no? We can just set "When power button is pressed: Do nothing" in the g-p-m prefs. Yeah, ohmd is running/working. - Chris. -- Chris Ball From pgf at laptop.org Tue Jan 6 19:53:21 2009 From: pgf at laptop.org (pgf at laptop.org) Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2009 14:53:21 -0500 Subject: Fedora Desktop on XO In-Reply-To: References: <495A642A.1060403@laptop.org> <5256d0b0901021915w50d5d28fq20460b69bbd6c87@mail.gmail.com> <5256d0b0901022200i4e56e05ajb1f031dee7ea8e41@mail.gmail.com> <5256d0b0901030143v5f39f580xe2da04399a2f7c0@mail.gmail.com> <5256d0b0901052250s3e380d96rdc63f6dc61d8b863@mail.gmail.com> <30789.1231270749@foxharp.boston.ma.us> Message-ID: <32109.1231271601@foxharp.boston.ma.us> chris wrote: > Hi, > > > what happens when you push the power button? > > > i assume the laptop will suspend due to ohmd, but i think g-p-m is > > doing the same dbus listen, no? > > We can just set "When power button is pressed: Do nothing" in the g-p-m > prefs. Yeah, ohmd is running/working. i was actually thinking in the other direction: if the ohmd action were disabled, i assume we'd get the g-p-m screen. is that screen tuneable? if g-p-m is possibly going in anyway, it might obviate the power button menu work. paul =--------------------- paul fox, pgf at laptop.org From dsaxena at laptop.org Tue Jan 6 20:19:52 2009 From: dsaxena at laptop.org (Deepak Saxena) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 12:19:52 -0800 Subject: Fedora Desktop on XO In-Reply-To: References: <5256d0b0901022200i4e56e05ajb1f031dee7ea8e41@mail.gmail.com> <5256d0b0901030143v5f39f580xe2da04399a2f7c0@mail.gmail.com> <5256d0b0901052250s3e380d96rdc63f6dc61d8b863@mail.gmail.com> <20090106185206.GA11187@eggs> <20090106193533.GA3563@trantor.hsd1.or.comcast.net> Message-ID: <20090106201952.GA3941@trantor.hsd1.or.comcast.net> On Jan 06 2009, at 14:42, Chris Ball was caught saying: > Hi, > > > I think I missed the previous conversation, re: estimate , but I'm > > thinking that swap will have significant impact on the lifetime of > > the flash chip. With only 256MiB of RAM, we are bound to swap a > > lot. I'd feel more comfortable if we did flash-wide wear leveling > > using UBI and created a swap partition on to pof that. > > That's fine with me too. Are we still planning on moving to UBI for > 9.1? If not, maybe we can work out how to get swap files working on > JFFS2 (where they would be wear-leveled)? At this point, with < 2 months to desired release date, I do not support changing the filesystem. If we think a new filesystem is a priority (and not everyone does from other conversations I've had), we can intergrate it into joyride as soon as 9.1 is out the door so we have plenty of time to do formal testing and get end-user feedback. ~Deepak -- Deepak Saxena - Kernel Developer, One Laptop Per Child _____ __o (o> ------ -\<, Give One Laptop, Get One Laptop //\ ----- ( )/ ( ) http://www.amazon.com/xo V_/_ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From michael at laptop.org Tue Jan 6 20:55:41 2009 From: michael at laptop.org (Michael Stone) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 15:55:41 -0500 Subject: Fedora Desktop on XO In-Reply-To: <20090106201952.GA3941@trantor.hsd1.or.comcast.net> References: <5256d0b0901022200i4e56e05ajb1f031dee7ea8e41@mail.gmail.com> <5256d0b0901030143v5f39f580xe2da04399a2f7c0@mail.gmail.com> <5256d0b0901052250s3e380d96rdc63f6dc61d8b863@mail.gmail.com> <20090106185206.GA11187@eggs> <20090106193533.GA3563@trantor.hsd1.or.comcast.net> <20090106201952.GA3941@trantor.hsd1.or.comcast.net> Message-ID: <20090106205541.GY3164@didacte.laptop.org> On Tue, Jan 06, 2009 at 12:19:52PM -0800, Deepak Saxena wrote: >On Jan 06 2009, at 14:42, Chris Ball was caught saying: >> Hi, >> >> > I think I missed the previous conversation, re: estimate , but I'm >> > thinking that swap will have significant impact on the lifetime of >> > the flash chip. With only 256MiB of RAM, we are bound to swap a >> > lot. I'd feel more comfortable if we did flash-wide wear leveling >> > using UBI and created a swap partition on to pof that. >> >> That's fine with me too. Are we still planning on moving to UBI for >> 9.1? If not, maybe we can work out how to get swap files working on >> JFFS2 (where they would be wear-leveled)? > >At this point, with < 2 months to desired release date, Deepak, I don't think I know anyone who can convincingly argue that the March date is realistic, based on current rates of change and the remaining distance to the objective. I asked in the last (maybe even the last two?) status meetings to re-evaluate that date but was blown off. Make of that what you will. Michael From gregsmitholpc at gmail.com Tue Jan 6 21:28:36 2009 From: gregsmitholpc at gmail.com (Greg Smith) Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2009 16:28:36 -0500 Subject: Fedora Desktop on XO In-Reply-To: <20090106205541.GY3164@didacte.laptop.org> References: <5256d0b0901022200i4e56e05ajb1f031dee7ea8e41@mail.gmail.com> <5256d0b0901030143v5f39f580xe2da04399a2f7c0@mail.gmail.com> <5256d0b0901052250s3e380d96rdc63f6dc61d8b863@mail.gmail.com> <20090106185206.GA11187@eggs> <20090106193533.GA3563@trantor.hsd1.or.comcast.net> <20090106201952.GA3941@trantor.hsd1.or.comcast.net> <20090106205541.GY3164@didacte.laptop.org> Message-ID: <4963CD04.1070104@laptop.org> Hi Michael, We are definitely behind where I would like to be at this stage. However, we'll only move the date when we must and we'll only do it to improve quality or possibly to include a customer critical feature. We wont move the date to allow in major new features (e.g. new file system) so there's no room to add things assuming we will slip. Lastly, if we have to move the date, I only want to do it once. That means we only pick a new date when we know we can hit it. I heard your concerns in the last two 9.1 meetings but so far I don't have the evidence either way to make any changes. In short, the plan is the plan until it changes. So far, no change. Thanks, Greg S Michael Stone wrote: > On Tue, Jan 06, 2009 at 12:19:52PM -0800, Deepak Saxena wrote: >> On Jan 06 2009, at 14:42, Chris Ball was caught saying: >>> Hi, >>> >>> > I think I missed the previous conversation, re: estimate , but I'm >>> > thinking that swap will have significant impact on the lifetime of >>> > the flash chip. With only 256MiB of RAM, we are bound to swap a >>> > lot. I'd feel more comfortable if we did flash-wide wear leveling >>> > using UBI and created a swap partition on to pof that. >>> >>> That's fine with me too. Are we still planning on moving to UBI for >>> 9.1? If not, maybe we can work out how to get swap files working on >>> JFFS2 (where they would be wear-leveled)? >> >> At this point, with < 2 months to desired release date, > > Deepak, > > I don't think I know anyone who can convincingly argue that the March > date is realistic, based on current rates of change and the remaining > distance to the objective. I asked in the last (maybe even the last > two?) status meetings to re-evaluate that date but was blown off. Make > of that what you will. > > Michael > From michael at laptop.org Tue Jan 6 21:48:51 2009 From: michael at laptop.org (Michael Stone) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 16:48:51 -0500 Subject: Fedora Desktop on XO In-Reply-To: <4963CD04.1070104@laptop.org> References: <5256d0b0901030143v5f39f580xe2da04399a2f7c0@mail.gmail.com> <5256d0b0901052250s3e380d96rdc63f6dc61d8b863@mail.gmail.com> <20090106185206.GA11187@eggs> <20090106193533.GA3563@trantor.hsd1.or.comcast.net> <20090106201952.GA3941@trantor.hsd1.or.comcast.net> <20090106205541.GY3164@didacte.laptop.org> <4963CD04.1070104@laptop.org> Message-ID: <20090106214851.GZ3164@didacte.laptop.org> Greg, I don't mean to be nasty, but I do feel the need to be blunt: On Tue, Jan 06, 2009 at 04:28:36PM -0500, Greg Smith wrote: > Hi Michael, > > We are definitely behind where I would like to be at this stage. How far behind? > However, we'll only move the date when we must and we'll only do it to > improve quality What exactly did you think Deepak and Chris were discussing doing? Michael From gregsmitholpc at gmail.com Tue Jan 6 22:41:31 2009 From: gregsmitholpc at gmail.com (Greg Smith) Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2009 17:41:31 -0500 Subject: Fedora Desktop on XO In-Reply-To: <20090106214851.GZ3164@didacte.laptop.org> References: <5256d0b0901030143v5f39f580xe2da04399a2f7c0@mail.gmail.com> <5256d0b0901052250s3e380d96rdc63f6dc61d8b863@mail.gmail.com> <20090106185206.GA11187@eggs> <20090106193533.GA3563@trantor.hsd1.or.comcast.net> <20090106201952.GA3941@trantor.hsd1.or.comcast.net> <20090106205541.GY3164@didacte.laptop.org> <4963CD04.1070104@laptop.org> <20090106214851.GZ3164@didacte.laptop.org> Message-ID: <4963DE1B.8050506@laptop.org> Hi Michael, No problem being blunt. I don't know yet how far behind we are or what it will take to catch up. We are close if we create a target bug list in the next two weeks then start daily triage and weekly test blitzes. Quality is my primary concern, especially if you throw in a lot of new code and potential process changes with Sugar. Once we get building and testing, it will be a matter of code quality and how quickly can we fix important bugs. On the feature front, my main concern is security/activation/lease management features. Point #2 here: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/9.1.0#Top_Priority Good progress on signing delegation and faster imaging. However, lease management and image customization need some love. They are critical for Ethiopia and Peru and others. In short, we have a good chance to release with major new features in March. We just need to pick up the pace and keep people focused. In terms of the thread, Deepak said that a replacement for JFFS2 is not in the plan for 9.1.0. I agree. It needs more work from a test/design perspective and it needs better definition of the ROI (work effort vs benefit). The choice of file system isn't a deal breaker for the Fedora Desktop feature. The hard part will be picking the right desktop (more on that soon, I already love the dancing benchmark bears :-), making it fit on the NAND, and testing it enough to prove its usable. Thanks, Greg S Michael Stone wrote: > Greg, > > I don't mean to be nasty, but I do feel the need to be blunt: > > On Tue, Jan 06, 2009 at 04:28:36PM -0500, Greg Smith wrote: >> Hi Michael, >> >> We are definitely behind where I would like to be at this stage. > > How far behind? > >> However, we'll only move the date when we must and we'll only do it >> to improve quality > > What exactly did you think Deepak and Chris were discussing doing? > Michael > From cjb at laptop.org Tue Jan 6 22:50:48 2009 From: cjb at laptop.org (Chris Ball) Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2009 17:50:48 -0500 Subject: Fedora Desktop on XO In-Reply-To: <4963DE1B.8050506@laptop.org> (Greg Smith's message of "Tue, 06 Jan 2009 17:41:31 -0500") References: <5256d0b0901030143v5f39f580xe2da04399a2f7c0@mail.gmail.com> <5256d0b0901052250s3e380d96rdc63f6dc61d8b863@mail.gmail.com> <20090106185206.GA11187@eggs> <20090106193533.GA3563@trantor.hsd1.or.comcast.net> <20090106201952.GA3941@trantor.hsd1.or.comcast.net> <20090106205541.GY3164@didacte.laptop.org> <4963CD04.1070104@laptop.org> <20090106214851.GZ3164@didacte.laptop.org> <4963DE1B.8050506@laptop.org> Message-ID: Hi Greg, > The choice of file system isn't a deal breaker for the Fedora > Desktop feature. The hard part will be picking the right desktop > (more on that soon, I already love the dancing benchmark bears :-), > making it fit on the NAND, and testing it enough to prove its > usable. The F10 desktop we shipped on SD had swap. Our current JFFS2 filesystem doesn't support swap. I don't think you have any evidence for us being able to avoid a deal-breaker without adding swap, so I disagree. If we can't find either a way to get a swap file working on JFFS2 or get UBI working, maybe it does make more sense to use XFCE (and even that might not work out well). I don't have a desire to ship something with worse performance than the F10 SD build. - Chris. -- Chris Ball From cjb at laptop.org Wed Jan 7 00:22:09 2009 From: cjb at laptop.org (Chris Ball) Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2009 19:22:09 -0500 Subject: Fedora Desktop on XO In-Reply-To: <32109.1231271601@foxharp.boston.ma.us> (pgf@laptop.org's message of "Tue, 06 Jan 2009 14:53:21 -0500") References: <495A642A.1060403@laptop.org> <5256d0b0901021915w50d5d28fq20460b69bbd6c87@mail.gmail.com> <5256d0b0901022200i4e56e05ajb1f031dee7ea8e41@mail.gmail.com> <5256d0b0901030143v5f39f580xe2da04399a2f7c0@mail.gmail.com> <5256d0b0901052250s3e380d96rdc63f6dc61d8b863@mail.gmail.com> <30789.1231270749@foxharp.boston.ma.us> <32109.1231271601@foxharp.boston.ma.us> Message-ID: Hi Paul, > i was actually thinking in the other direction: if the ohmd action > were disabled, i assume we'd get the g-p-m screen. is that screen > tuneable? if g-p-m is possibly going in anyway, it might obviate > the power button menu work. I'm not seeing a menu, even after killing ohmd, with "When the power button is pressed: Ask me" chosen in the g-p-m prefs. Dunno why yet. - Chris. -- Chris Ball From pbrobinson at gmail.com Wed Jan 7 00:30:26 2009 From: pbrobinson at gmail.com (Peter Robinson) Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 01:30:26 +0100 Subject: Fedora Desktop on XO In-Reply-To: <20090106185206.GA11187@eggs> References: <495A642A.1060403@laptop.org> <5256d0b0901021915w50d5d28fq20460b69bbd6c87@mail.gmail.com> <5256d0b0901022200i4e56e05ajb1f031dee7ea8e41@mail.gmail.com> <5256d0b0901030143v5f39f580xe2da04399a2f7c0@mail.gmail.com> <5256d0b0901052250s3e380d96rdc63f6dc61d8b863@mail.gmail.com> <20090106185206.GA11187@eggs> Message-ID: <5256d0b0901061630k2c9f7120u256f4ab7204d1ae5@mail.gmail.com> > Now, the question I have is why we would chose GNOME over XFCE. I think > there are significant differences in system resource consumption. I don't believe the decision has been made yet. > I ask because the impression I had from informal tests was that a system > booting into GNOME was consuming about 3x as much RAM on boot (read via > ps_mem.py). My impression was that the benefit was not eaten up the > moment the I started running GTK applications; it seemed that under XFCE > I could open a fair number more Firefox tabs without running into lockup > than under GNOME. I know these aren't great metrics so I'll run some > more rigorous tests after we have two systems side-by-side for > comparison. > > Even though XFCE is not a Fedora-supported desktop environment, it is > readily supported in other distributions. We could easily borrow the > polish that XUbuntu has applied to its distribution and get a system > equally usable as GNOME. I don't believe that is true at all. I believe XFCE is an install option during a full install and there's a fully Fedora blessed XFCE spin available from Fedora here http://spins.fedoraproject.org/ . It is certainly not the main desktop they support but it is no less supported than any other desktop. I think the XFCE SIG (Special Interest Group would somewhat disagree https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Xfce Peter From reuben at laptop.org Wed Jan 7 00:40:07 2009 From: reuben at laptop.org (Reuben K. Caron) Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2009 19:40:07 -0500 Subject: Fedora Desktop on XO In-Reply-To: <5256d0b0901030143v5f39f580xe2da04399a2f7c0@mail.gmail.com> References: <495A642A.1060403@laptop.org> <5256d0b0901021915w50d5d28fq20460b69bbd6c87@mail.gmail.com> <5256d0b0901022200i4e56e05ajb1f031dee7ea8e41@mail.gmail.com> <5256d0b0901030143v5f39f580xe2da04399a2f7c0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4963F9E7.1090200@laptop.org> Peter Robinson wrote: > Hi Chris, > > >> > I would remove the old fc9 build from the olpc_development repo (or >> > even have one for 8.2.0 and one for 9.1.0 so they don't get mixed >> > up). Surely it should be pulling cyrus-sasl from the Fedora repos >> > anyway? >> >> I've just pushed a patch to pilgrim's joyride branch to switch the >> baseurl that gets written out in /etc/yum.repos.d/olpc-development.repo >> from http://xs-dev.laptop.org/~cscott/repos/dist-olpc3-devel/ to >> http://kojipkgs.fedoraproject.org/static-repos/dist-olpc4-build-current/i386/ >> >> (olpc3 is our 8.2/F9 repo, and olpc4 is the 9.1/F10 repo, so Joyride >> should have been switched to write out the olpc4 baseurl when we >> created the new repo.) >> >> And, after the change, we don't have depsolving problems any more! >> Here's the list of packages to be downloaded -- the next question is >> going to be how to avoid many of these dependencies. Perhaps instead >> of trying the groupinstall, we should be hand-picking a smaller base >> of GNOME packages from this list? >> > > Well its the list up to the "Installing for dependencies" that is > explicitly requested, all the below is pulled in for deps. I'm not > sure how pilgrim builds the list but I think if it uses kickstart like > the other fedora build systems do you should be able to do a specific > "-packagename" and its removed from the list. > > Does pilgrim (Puritan?) use "kickstart" like files? If so, how? If not, why do we not create builds using what seems to be fedora's standard build system? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karlie_robinson at webpath.net Wed Jan 7 00:48:29 2009 From: karlie_robinson at webpath.net (Karlie Robinson) Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2009 19:48:29 -0500 Subject: F10 XO cards are only at On-Disk Message-ID: <4963FBDD.2010106@webpath.net> Since G1G1 has ended I've pulled the F10 SD cards from Amazon.com, but they will still be available at http://on-disk.com/product_info.php/products_id/595 I thought you'd like to see the comments left at Amazon - most are general and won't be of interest to you, but there are a couple you'll probably want to address even if it's not until F11. (note - links, Order ID, Rater Email, and Rater Role have been deleted for privacy reasons) ~Karlie *Date* *Rating* *Comments* 12/28/08 *5* Quick Shipment and item as described. Will purchase again. Thanks 12/26/08 *5* Great delivered as promised 12/26/08 *1* Fedora 10 present. Works on OLPC with only a developer key: not present. Works on OLPC at all? No. The kernel used produces an immediate reboot in all cases tested. 12/25/08 *1* The software kept freezing my OLPC laptop, whenever I tried something like downloading a plug-in for my browser. Going to the forums for help, I found that there was a general consensus that the software had problems, had perhaps been rushed out to market too quickly, and was too big for the machine. 12/19/08 *5* no 12/9/08 *5* no problems. 12/9/08 *5* Excellent service, software works as expected. 12/5/08 *5* Thank you .I now have got 2 xo laptops for my 2 small grandkids.There wonting to play (Webkinz)Mrs Burns 12/4/08 *5* great service, order received 5 days before scheduled delivery From pbrobinson at gmail.com Wed Jan 7 01:14:57 2009 From: pbrobinson at gmail.com (Peter Robinson) Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 02:14:57 +0100 Subject: Fedora Desktop on XO In-Reply-To: References: <495A642A.1060403@laptop.org> <5256d0b0901021915w50d5d28fq20460b69bbd6c87@mail.gmail.com> <5256d0b0901022200i4e56e05ajb1f031dee7ea8e41@mail.gmail.com> <5256d0b0901030143v5f39f580xe2da04399a2f7c0@mail.gmail.com> <5256d0b0901052250s3e380d96rdc63f6dc61d8b863@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5256d0b0901061714u1a6153capab94362bf8430329@mail.gmail.com> Hi Chris, > > How did you go with this? Did you have any luck? I also realised > > that if you drop gnome-user-share you'll drop all the httpd > > requirements. > > Yep, it worked! I had RPM conflicts in GConf2 (against GConf2-dbus, > both ship the same .mo files) and evince (against sugar-evince, both > ship the same evince backend shared libraries). Also, it turns out > that evince-dvi is responsible for bringing in texlive, via kpathsea. Good news. I'm aware of the conflicts you mention. I'm not sure that we need evince-dvi (not sure if its a requirement of anything though and hence gets pulled in automatically). For the evince vs sugar-evince I suspect we need to try and get the mainline evince split out into evince and evince-libs so that we can build sugar-evince against it similar to what we do with abiword and write (I think that's its name). As for the gconf2-dbus...... I know that's used over the usual dbus to drop out the bonobo dependencies but whether that is still a factor at the moment with the other things that pull bonobo in I'm not sure so it might be worthwhile working out whether we stick with it or move back to the mainline version. Not sure who knows the answer to that one, I know DSD got it compiled up but other than that I don't know the best person to ask. Peter From pbrobinson at gmail.com Wed Jan 7 01:20:46 2009 From: pbrobinson at gmail.com (Peter Robinson) Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 02:20:46 +0100 Subject: F10 XO cards are only at On-Disk In-Reply-To: <4963FBDD.2010106@webpath.net> References: <4963FBDD.2010106@webpath.net> Message-ID: <5256d0b0901061720s4d210fdfw415db52dbd37a390@mail.gmail.com> > 12/26/08 *1* Fedora 10 present. Works on OLPC with only a > developer key: not present. Works on OLPC at all? No. The kernel used > produces an immediate reboot in all cases tested. Interesting given that all the hardware is the same so it should be relatively similar results for all devices. > 12/25/08 *1* The software kept freezing my OLPC laptop, whenever > I tried something like downloading a plug-in for my browser. Going to the > forums for help, I found that there was a general consensus that the > software had problems, had perhaps been rushed out to market too quickly, > and was too big for the machine. Would be interesting to see if they'd done an update to the latest Fedora 10 updates, was there a particular support forum they were directed to via a web page or something? Regards, Peter From cjb at laptop.org Wed Jan 7 01:28:25 2009 From: cjb at laptop.org (Chris Ball) Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2009 20:28:25 -0500 Subject: Fedora Desktop on XO In-Reply-To: <5256d0b0901061714u1a6153capab94362bf8430329@mail.gmail.com> (Peter Robinson's message of "Wed, 7 Jan 2009 02:14:57 +0100") References: <495A642A.1060403@laptop.org> <5256d0b0901021915w50d5d28fq20460b69bbd6c87@mail.gmail.com> <5256d0b0901022200i4e56e05ajb1f031dee7ea8e41@mail.gmail.com> <5256d0b0901030143v5f39f580xe2da04399a2f7c0@mail.gmail.com> <5256d0b0901052250s3e380d96rdc63f6dc61d8b863@mail.gmail.com> <5256d0b0901061714u1a6153capab94362bf8430329@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Peter, > Good news. I'm aware of the conflicts you mention. I'm not sure > that we need evince-dvi (not sure if its a requirement of anything > though and hence gets pulled in automatically). That's right, we don't need it. It's part of the groupinstall, but it's not depended on otherwise (and was split out so that people could choose to omit it). > For the evince vs sugar-evince I suspect we need to try and get the > mainline evince split out into evince and evince-libs so that we > can build sugar-evince against it similar to what we do with > abiword and write (I think that's its name). Yep, sounds good. > As for the gconf2-dbus...... I know that's used over the usual dbus > to drop out the bonobo dependencies but whether that is still a > factor at the moment with the other things that pull bonobo in I'm > not sure so it might be worthwhile working out whether we stick > with it or move back to the mainline version. Not sure who knows > the answer to that one, I know DSD got it compiled up but other > than that I don't know the best person to ask. I think the reason we're using GConf2-dbus is actually that plain GConf2 didn't work with Rainbow's preforking code after the move to F10, but we've reverted that preforking code for the moment, so perhaps we could just use plain GConf2.. Thanks! - Chris. -- Chris Ball From pbrobinson at gmail.com Wed Jan 7 01:35:55 2009 From: pbrobinson at gmail.com (Peter Robinson) Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 02:35:55 +0100 Subject: Fedora Desktop on XO In-Reply-To: References: <495A642A.1060403@laptop.org> <5256d0b0901021915w50d5d28fq20460b69bbd6c87@mail.gmail.com> <5256d0b0901022200i4e56e05ajb1f031dee7ea8e41@mail.gmail.com> <5256d0b0901030143v5f39f580xe2da04399a2f7c0@mail.gmail.com> <5256d0b0901052250s3e380d96rdc63f6dc61d8b863@mail.gmail.com> <5256d0b0901061714u1a6153capab94362bf8430329@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5256d0b0901061735l507e1d69k63e1292eb5631e3a@mail.gmail.com> Hi Chris, > > For the evince vs sugar-evince I suspect we need to try and get the > > mainline evince split out into evince and evince-libs so that we > > can build sugar-evince against it similar to what we do with > > abiword and write (I think that's its name). > > Yep, sounds good. When I get a sec I'll look at what's required and file a RH bug for evince to see if we can't get the package split up. > > As for the gconf2-dbus...... I know that's used over the usual dbus > > to drop out the bonobo dependencies but whether that is still a > > factor at the moment with the other things that pull bonobo in I'm > > not sure so it might be worthwhile working out whether we stick > > with it or move back to the mainline version. Not sure who knows > > the answer to that one, I know DSD got it compiled up but other > > than that I don't know the best person to ask. > > I think the reason we're using GConf2-dbus is actually that plain GConf2 > didn't work with Rainbow's preforking code after the move to F10, but > we've reverted that preforking code for the moment, so perhaps we could > just use plain GConf2.. If we can get a definite confirmation of that I'll untag the GConf2-dbus build so that the original GConf gets pulled into joyride and see where we end up from there. Peter From pbrobinson at gmail.com Wed Jan 7 01:53:31 2009 From: pbrobinson at gmail.com (Peter Robinson) Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 02:53:31 +0100 Subject: List of packages in XO SW and not in Fedora 10 In-Reply-To: References: <495A6103.8080605@laptop.org> <5256d0b0901031610q534690e2ic16a41c8f9364d2a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5256d0b0901061753g45f75d6awfd54a8e945110725@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 5:14 PM, Marco Pesenti Gritti wrote: > On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 1:10 AM, Peter Robinson wrote: >>> hippo-canvas-0.3.0-5.20081014svn.olpc4 dist-olpc4 tomeu > > This might have ABI incompatible changes. I suppose online-desktop in > F10 is still using the old expose API. Tomeu, can you confirm if this > is the case or if pushing a new hippo-canvas release in F10 is > supposed to work fine? Well it builds fine in the first instance but what other packages use it so I can at least check if they build against it? http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=1037129 >>> hulahop-0.4.7-1.olpc4 dist-olpc4 ausil > > This one is fine to push in F10 afaict. I've merged to changes from the OLPC-4 branch into F-10 branch and it compiles fine. I've submitted it as an update to Fedora 10. Once it filters through I'll remove all the files from the OLPC-4 branch so it doesn't get used and we stick with the F-10 one. Any objections? Cheers, Peter From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Wed Jan 7 02:17:36 2009 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2009 07:47:36 +0530 Subject: Fedora Desktop on XO In-Reply-To: <5256d0b0901061630k2c9f7120u256f4ab7204d1ae5@mail.gmail.com> References: <495A642A.1060403@laptop.org> <5256d0b0901021915w50d5d28fq20460b69bbd6c87@mail.gmail.com> <5256d0b0901022200i4e56e05ajb1f031dee7ea8e41@mail.gmail.com> <5256d0b0901030143v5f39f580xe2da04399a2f7c0@mail.gmail.com> <5256d0b0901052250s3e380d96rdc63f6dc61d8b863@mail.gmail.com> <20090106185206.GA11187@eggs> <5256d0b0901061630k2c9f7120u256f4ab7204d1ae5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <496410C0.1010809@fedoraproject.org> Peter Robinson wrote: > > I don't believe that is true at all. I believe XFCE is an install > option during a full install and there's a fully Fedora blessed XFCE > spin available from Fedora here http://spins.fedoraproject.org/ . It > is certainly not the main desktop they support but it is no less > supported than any other desktop. I think the XFCE SIG (Special > Interest Group would somewhat disagree > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Xfce As the maintainer of the the Xfce Live CD as well as a member of the SIG, I can vouch for that. Xfce is a pretty well "supported" desktop in Fedora in as much as any desktop is. The maintainers take care of bugs quickly, new releases gets pulled in fast etc. We don't have as many people working on it but it is a smaller community upstream as well. One thing, we try not to do, is deviate from upstream and apply many patches like some of the other Xfce based spin-off's do which is a general Fedora policy as well and not something specific to the Xfce team. Rahul From michael at laptop.org Wed Jan 7 02:25:15 2009 From: michael at laptop.org (Michael Stone) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 21:25:15 -0500 Subject: Fedora Desktop on XO In-Reply-To: <4963F9E7.1090200@laptop.org> References: <495A642A.1060403@laptop.org> <5256d0b0901021915w50d5d28fq20460b69bbd6c87@mail.gmail.com> <5256d0b0901022200i4e56e05ajb1f031dee7ea8e41@mail.gmail.com> <5256d0b0901030143v5f39f580xe2da04399a2f7c0@mail.gmail.com> <4963F9E7.1090200@laptop.org> Message-ID: <20090107022515.GC3164@didacte.laptop.org> On Tue, Jan 06, 2009 at 07:40:07PM -0500, Reuben K. Caron wrote: > Peter Robinson wrote: >> Hi Chris, >> >> >>> > I would remove the old fc9 build from the olpc_development repo (or >>> > even have one for 8.2.0 and one for 9.1.0 so they don't get mixed >>> > up). Surely it should be pulling cyrus-sasl from the Fedora repos >>> > anyway? >>> >>> I've just pushed a patch to pilgrim's joyride branch to switch the >>> baseurl that gets written out in /etc/yum.repos.d/olpc-development.repo >>> from http://xs-dev.laptop.org/~cscott/repos/dist-olpc3-devel/ to >>> http://kojipkgs.fedoraproject.org/static-repos/dist-olpc4-build-current/i386/ >>> >>> (olpc3 is our 8.2/F9 repo, and olpc4 is the 9.1/F10 repo, so Joyride >>> should have been switched to write out the olpc4 baseurl when we >>> created the new repo.) >>> >>> And, after the change, we don't have depsolving problems any more! >>> Here's the list of packages to be downloaded -- the next question is >>> going to be how to avoid many of these dependencies. Perhaps instead >>> of trying the groupinstall, we should be hand-picking a smaller base >>> of GNOME packages from this list? >>> >> >> Well its the list up to the "Installing for dependencies" that is >> explicitly requested, all the below is pulled in for deps. I'm not >> sure how pilgrim builds the list but I think if it uses kickstart like >> the other fedora build systems do you should be able to do a specific >> "-packagename" and its removed from the list. >> >> > Does pilgrim (Puritan?) use "kickstart" like files? Nope. > If not, why do we not create builds using what seems to be fedora's > standard build system? The short answer is that there has never been consensus among the people dealing with OLPC's builds that anaconda was the right tool for the job. The longer answer involves a lot of politics which I'm /really/ not interested in stirring up but which are unavoidable if you want to really understand how things came to be the way that they are. In order to navigate this quandary, I'm going to offer you a series of thought-questions which, I hope, will lead you to your own answer to your question. (If you want, you can ask me tomorrow for my answers to them but you should try to construct your own answers first.) Hope this helps, Michael --------- a) Requirements. 1. What do you think a build system for OLPC and for XOs needs to do? 2. What explorations have been made in the area of XO-related build systems? 3. What lists of requirements (or audiences) do each of these explorations seem to be trying to satisfy? b) History & Incumbency of Pilgrim. 1. Why did davidz write pilgrim? 2. Why did pilgrim not use anaconda? 3. Why did davidz later write livecd-tools using anaconda? 4. What do you have to do in order to get OLPC to use a different build system? c) People & Politics 1. Who has worked on build-system stuff for XOs? for OLPC? 2. How might we describe their knowledge, skills, interests, aims, etc at the time? 3. What demands were placed on them at the time they worked on build-system related things? 4. How should we describe their relationships with one another? From pbrobinson at gmail.com Wed Jan 7 02:42:00 2009 From: pbrobinson at gmail.com (Peter Robinson) Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 03:42:00 +0100 Subject: Fedora Desktop on XO In-Reply-To: <20090107022515.GC3164@didacte.laptop.org> References: <495A642A.1060403@laptop.org> <5256d0b0901021915w50d5d28fq20460b69bbd6c87@mail.gmail.com> <5256d0b0901022200i4e56e05ajb1f031dee7ea8e41@mail.gmail.com> <5256d0b0901030143v5f39f580xe2da04399a2f7c0@mail.gmail.com> <4963F9E7.1090200@laptop.org> <20090107022515.GC3164@didacte.laptop.org> Message-ID: <5256d0b0901061842v28c867fbv765521654aa005c4@mail.gmail.com> >> Does pilgrim (Puritan?) use "kickstart" like files? > > Nope. > >> If not, why do we not create builds using what seems to be fedora's >> standard build system? > > The short answer is that there has never been consensus among the people > dealing with OLPC's builds that anaconda was the right tool for the job. I think also that alot of the automated tools that are now used to build the various Fedora stuff (mock / koji / livecd-tools / appliance-tools) wouldn't have been around when OLPC was first looking for a build system > The longer answer involves a lot of politics which I'm /really/ not > interested in stirring up but which are unavoidable if you want to > really understand how things came to be the way that they are. In order > to navigate this quandary, I'm going to offer you a series of > thought-questions which, I hope, will lead you to your own answer to > your question. No argument there. > (If you want, you can ask me tomorrow for my answers to them but you > should try to construct your own answers first.) > > Hope this helps, > > Michael > > --------- > > a) Requirements. > > 1. What do you think a build system for OLPC and for XOs needs to do? Simplistically build a working bootable OLPC system, but to do that it is required to deal with the boot system, filesystems, storage, security, signing etc of all of the above. > 2. What explorations have been made in the area of XO-related build > systems? I think the major differences between a standard Fedora system and an OLPC system WRT a build system is the underlying stuff like the boot (lack of BIOS, security etc), the filesystems used, and OLPC security related stuff. > 3. What lists of requirements (or audiences) do each of these > explorations seem to be trying to satisfy? a lot of them, and a mostly moving target as the project matures and so do the tools around it. > b) History & Incumbency of Pilgrim. > > 1. Why did davidz write pilgrim? At a guess because the likes of livecd-tools and appliance-tools either didn't exist or were mature enough to meet the needs of OLPC at the time they were required. > 2. Why did pilgrim not use anaconda? Didn't meet the current requirements of OLPC at the time. Probably a number of other reasons to do with politics and various other related issues with the size/complexity of it because it handles everything from a server to a netbook running on a platform of i386 right through PPC and IA-64 from a small amount of RAM to terabytes and everything else most of which isn't an issue to OLPC which runs on essentially a single piece of hardware. > 3. Why did davidz later write livecd-tools using anaconda? > > 4. What do you have to do in order to get OLPC to use a different > build system? A lot of work and testing for regressions. > c) People & Politics Not even going to try to answer these ones but no doubt they change with time and what is relevant now has probably changed someone since the beginning. Peter From gnu at toad.com Wed Jan 7 05:09:20 2009 From: gnu at toad.com (John Gilmore) Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2009 21:09:20 -0800 Subject: Fedora Desktop on XO In-Reply-To: References: <495A642A.1060403@laptop.org> <5256d0b0901021915w50d5d28fq20460b69bbd6c87@mail.gmail.com> <5256d0b0901022200i4e56e05ajb1f031dee7ea8e41@mail.gmail.com> <5256d0b0901030143v5f39f580xe2da04399a2f7c0@mail.gmail.com> <5256d0b0901052250s3e380d96rdc63f6dc61d8b863@mail.gmail.com> <30789.1231270749@foxharp.boston.ma.us> <32109.1231271601@foxharp.boston.ma.us> Message-ID: <200901070509.n0759KRI008032@new.toad.com> > I'm not seeing a menu, even after killing ohmd, with "When the power > button is pressed: Ask me" chosen in the g-p-m prefs. Dunno why yet. This works in debXO 0.4, I use it all the time. Ask dilinger how he made it work. John From gnu at toad.com Wed Jan 7 16:00:20 2009 From: gnu at toad.com (John Gilmore) Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2009 08:00:20 -0800 Subject: Fedora Desktop on XO In-Reply-To: <242851610901060048q6771f25eu91638244ce1a8f07@mail.gmail.com> References: <495A642A.1060403@laptop.org> <5256d0b0901021915w50d5d28fq20460b69bbd6c87@mail.gmail.com> <5256d0b0901022200i4e56e05ajb1f031dee7ea8e41@mail.gmail.com> <5256d0b0901030143v5f39f580xe2da04399a2f7c0@mail.gmail.com> <5256d0b0901052250s3e380d96rdc63f6dc61d8b863@mail.gmail.com> <242851610901060048q6771f25eu91638244ce1a8f07@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200901071600.n07G0KRI026708@new.toad.com> > I'm very interested on this, as it would give us also for free a FUSE > interface. Why I haven't pursued it yet is because the API for > developing new gio backends is still private and our new backend would > then need to live inside the gvfs gnome module or as a patch in every > distro. Aside from having to periodically adapt to any API changes. > > See http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gvfs-list/2008-May/msg00004.html > > That said, such a backend would be very simple, for the journal in Sugar 0.84. Hi Tomeu, I'd say write the simple backend and submit it upstream. Their interface sounds very much like every other interface in a computer, i.e. not quite done right in retrospect and always subject to change. Their mailing list only got a dozen messsages that month -- it's not evolving SO fast. Host the code in their gnome module and then it'll evolve along with the module and also go into each distro. My idea is that when an ordinary GUI program pops up an "Open File" dialog, if an OLPC Journal exists for that user, it will be one of the icons in the left column (like "Desktop" or "File System" or each mounted removable storage device). If Journal is already the default, or is selected, then the filename and type are pre-defaulted, though the user can override them by typing. Even on a sugarized OLPC, people are going to neet to touch files that have real names in the real filesystem (e.g. Python source code, config files, even new firmware downloads) as well as Journal entries, so they'll need ways to pick things OTHER than the Journal, too. This design would also let people try out the Journal concept, just by "apt-get install olpc-journal" and starting it up. Then by picking Journal in the file dialog or file browser, it will arrange the files that they save or read, by date of access in one big glob, with tags or whatever, rather than making them pick hierarchical names. This would all happen modularly, without installing the Sugar GUI. (It would only be interfaced to Sugar and Gnome, but maybe other desktops would get the hint.) This would also be a really cheap way to browse USB keys, etc. Open two Gnome file browsers (one hierarchical in USB key; the other in Journal) and drag things back and forth. The code's already there, it just lacks this one interface. John From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Wed Jan 7 18:06:01 2009 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2009 23:36:01 +0530 Subject: Fedora Desktop on XO In-Reply-To: <20090107172747.GH11187@eggs> References: <5256d0b0901021915w50d5d28fq20460b69bbd6c87@mail.gmail.com> <5256d0b0901022200i4e56e05ajb1f031dee7ea8e41@mail.gmail.com> <5256d0b0901030143v5f39f580xe2da04399a2f7c0@mail.gmail.com> <5256d0b0901052250s3e380d96rdc63f6dc61d8b863@mail.gmail.com> <20090106185206.GA11187@eggs> <5256d0b0901061630k2c9f7120u256f4ab7204d1ae5@mail.gmail.com> <496410C0.1010809@fedoraproject.org> <20090107172747.GH11187@eggs> Message-ID: <4964EF09.4020000@fedoraproject.org> Erik Garrison wrote: > On Wed, Jan 07, 2009 at 07:47:36AM +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: >> One thing, we try not to do, is deviate from upstream and apply many >> patches like some of the other Xfce based spin-off's do which is a >> general Fedora policy as well and not something specific to the Xfce >> team. > > The patches I described (e.g. desktop icon creation) appear to have > been backported from the development version of XFCE. Is backporting > patches from the mainline XFCE development against policy? There isn't a strict policy against anything, there is a set of recommendations outlined at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PackageMaintainers/WhyUpstream https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging/Guidelines#All_patches_should_have_an_upstream_bug_link_or_comment Backporting is usually more accepted since the upstream path is clear and we don't have carry them forever. If you have specific suggestions (and pointers to those patches if any), then please report them in bugzilla and the maintainers involved can consider them on a case by case basis. If you wish to discuss ideas, post to fedora-devel list or ping nirik (Kevin Fenzi) in #fedora-devel. I am mether on irc and available on all the usual channels as well. Rahul From mikus at bga.com Thu Jan 8 02:46:55 2009 From: mikus at bga.com (Mikus Grinbergs) Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2009 21:46:55 -0500 Subject: packaging for native OLPC platform Message-ID: <4965691F.9060805@bga.com> Whenever I install a new build on my XO, I apply certain customizations. If the difference between the new build and the previous one is small, I might instead 'update' the previous build (which already has my customizations) with the proper individual packages (rather than doing the whole install / customize deal). The difference between the Joyride-2616 build and the Joyride-2617 build was two packages: glibc & glibc-common. Yet when I tried to use 'yum' to fetch and apply these two packages to my Joyride-2616 system, 'yum' failed with the error "glibc-common is needed by glibc (installed)." Obviously, in this case 'yum' had failed to solve "dependency hell". mikus From pbrobinson at gmail.com Thu Jan 8 05:47:00 2009 From: pbrobinson at gmail.com (Peter Robinson) Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 06:47:00 +0100 Subject: packaging for native OLPC platform In-Reply-To: <4965691F.9060805@bga.com> References: <4965691F.9060805@bga.com> Message-ID: <5256d0b0901072147v10833591x2373c046e7885d0f@mail.gmail.com> > The difference between the Joyride-2616 build and the Joyride-2617 build was > two packages: glibc & glibc-common. Yet when I tried to use 'yum' to fetch > and apply these two packages to my Joyride-2616 system, 'yum' failed with > the error "glibc-common is needed by glibc being replaced> (installed)." > > Obviously, in this case 'yum' had failed to solve "dependency hell". Can you do a rpm -qa | grep glibc and see if the glibc reports the i686 version? I've seen this before with some of the AMD geode processors where the build process uses the i686 package as it can run fine on this particular AMD processor but in actual fact its an i586 processor so yum/rpm think there should be the i386 version and hence don't see that glibc.i686 needs upgrading but glibc-common being i386 does but conflicts. You can force the upgrade by downloading the rpms and using "rpm -Uvh --ignorearch glibc-package-names.rpm" but I'm not sure the proper fix for this issue. I'm pretty sure the particular AMD processors supports all the necessary instructions to run the i686 packages (and I've not seen issues running them on a Fit-PC) but I don't know the best solution to the problem. jkatz or someone similar might be able to shed further light on the issue and proper resolution. Peter From pbrobinson at gmail.com Thu Jan 8 09:31:13 2009 From: pbrobinson at gmail.com (Peter Robinson) Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 10:31:13 +0100 Subject: Fedora Desktop on XO In-Reply-To: <200901071600.n07G0KRI026708@new.toad.com> References: <495A642A.1060403@laptop.org> <5256d0b0901021915w50d5d28fq20460b69bbd6c87@mail.gmail.com> <5256d0b0901022200i4e56e05ajb1f031dee7ea8e41@mail.gmail.com> <5256d0b0901030143v5f39f580xe2da04399a2f7c0@mail.gmail.com> <5256d0b0901052250s3e380d96rdc63f6dc61d8b863@mail.gmail.com> <242851610901060048q6771f25eu91638244ce1a8f07@mail.gmail.com> <200901071600.n07G0KRI026708@new.toad.com> Message-ID: <5256d0b0901080131g59fa4babi626217060bf2037f@mail.gmail.com> >> I'm very interested on this, as it would give us also for free a FUSE >> interface. Why I haven't pursued it yet is because the API for >> developing new gio backends is still private and our new backend would >> then need to live inside the gvfs gnome module or as a patch in every >> distro. Aside from having to periodically adapt to any API changes. >> >> See http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gvfs-list/2008-May/msg00004.html >> >> That said, such a backend would be very simple, for the journal in Sugar 0.84. > > Hi Tomeu, I'd say write the simple backend and submit it upstream. Their > interface sounds very much like every other interface in a computer, > i.e. not quite done right in retrospect and always subject to change. > Their mailing list only got a dozen messsages that month -- it's not > evolving SO fast. Host the code in their gnome module and then it'll > evolve along with the module and also go into each distro. I agree, and then if there are any API changes its likely that when there is they'll update all the shipped modules to support it which would leave less work over time for maintenance. > My idea is that when an ordinary GUI program pops up an "Open File" > dialog, if an OLPC Journal exists for that user, it will be one of the > icons in the left column (like "Desktop" or "File System" or each > mounted removable storage device). If Journal is already the default, > or is selected, then the filename and type are pre-defaulted, though > the user can override them by typing. > > Even on a sugarized OLPC, people are going to neet to touch files that > have real names in the real filesystem (e.g. Python source code, > config files, even new firmware downloads) as well as Journal entries, > so they'll need ways to pick things OTHER than the Journal, too. > > This design would also let people try out the Journal concept, just by > "apt-get install olpc-journal" and starting it up. Then by picking > Journal in the file dialog or file browser, it will arrange the files > that they save or read, by date of access in one big glob, with tags > or whatever, rather than making them pick hierarchical names. This > would all happen modularly, without installing the Sugar GUI. (It > would only be interfaced to Sugar and Gnome, but maybe other desktops > would get the hint.) This would be great! Also would possibly encourage more 3rd party developers. > This would also be a really cheap way to browse USB keys, etc. Open > two Gnome file browsers (one hierarchical in USB key; the other in > Journal) and drag things back and forth. The code's already there, > it just lacks this one interface. Peter From mikus at bga.com Thu Jan 8 14:27:41 2009 From: mikus at bga.com (Mikus Grinbergs) Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2009 09:27:41 -0500 Subject: packaging for native OLPC platform Message-ID: <49660D5D.2040701@bga.com> > Can you do a rpm -qa | grep glibc and see if the glibc reports the > i686 version? I've seen this before with some of the AMD geode > processors where the build process uses the i686 package as it can run > fine on this particular AMD processor but in actual fact its an i586 > processor so yum/rpm think there should be the i386 version and hence > don't see that glibc.i686 needs upgrading but glibc-common being i386 > does but conflicts. Thank you. This is indeed what seems to be happening. [I guess this is one situation where a "smart" tool reaches a more-difficult-to-use conclusion than a "dumb" human.] > You can force the upgrade by downloading the rpms > and using "rpm -Uvh --ignorearch glibc-package-names.rpm" Tried it for the fun of it but there was something wrong with the downloaded files. In any case, OLPC has released a newer-yet build which I've now installed, instead of fooling with upgrading the old build. Thank you for your assistance and explanation, mikus From gregsmitholpc at gmail.com Thu Jan 8 15:02:16 2009 From: gregsmitholpc at gmail.com (Greg Smith) Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2009 10:02:16 -0500 Subject: Greg Smith Over and Out Message-ID: <49661578.6010309@laptop.org> Hi All, My time on this project is over for now! I was laid off yesterday and tomorrow is my last day at OLPC. So many things to follow up on, its hard to know where to begin handing off. I can say that XO Camp is on for next week as planned. SJ is now coordinating it. Aside from that, contact Ed McNierney for any development questions or anything else on my plate. I'm sorry to drop the ball, but I need to find a new job ASAP. Perhaps I can participate again in the future but I'm unsubscribing from all lists as of tomorrow. If I can pass along some history or other work, don't hesitate to contact me. My new e-mail address: gregsmithpm at gmail.com. To come to OLPC, I left a safe and lucrative job making some of the most advanced computers in the world. I took a big risk to work on what I think is important and I gave it everything I could. I have no regrets. I'm proud of what I accomplished and honored to have been a member of this great community. Its time to go back and take care of my own family again. Let me know if anyone has leads on Product Manager openings in Massachusetts or tele-commuting. My technical specialties have been high-end routers and networking, distributed server architectures, image and video processing, and online marketing including data analysis. Now I'll add open source development, social networking/Web 2.0, educational software, low cost computing and wireless networking to that list ;-) As a product manager, I write the business case and technical requirements and manage all aspects of the project to get a quality product built and shipped on time. Give me n engineers to work with and I'll give you n Million $s in revenue in the first year and double that every 6 months after. That's my new pitch :-) Send me an e-mail with any leads or for a copy of my resume. Good luck! Please keep at it if you can. There are hundreds of thousands of kids using the XO now. Regardless of organizational priorities, they deserve the very best software available. Thanks, Greg S From pbrobinson at gmail.com Fri Jan 9 03:14:07 2009 From: pbrobinson at gmail.com (Peter Robinson) Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 04:14:07 +0100 Subject: packaging for native OLPC platform In-Reply-To: <49660D5D.2040701@bga.com> References: <49660D5D.2040701@bga.com> Message-ID: <5256d0b0901081914k3bd31d97u1b59a5fa58fcd8f6@mail.gmail.com> >> Can you do a rpm -qa | grep glibc and see if the glibc reports the >> i686 version? I've seen this before with some of the AMD geode >> processors where the build process uses the i686 package as it can run >> fine on this particular AMD processor but in actual fact its an i586 >> processor so yum/rpm think there should be the i386 version and hence >> don't see that glibc.i686 needs upgrading but glibc-common being i386 >> does but conflicts. > > Thank you. This is indeed what seems to be happening. > > [I guess this is one situation where a "smart" tool reaches a > more-difficult-to-use conclusion than a "dumb" human.] In all cases the tool will err on the side of caution. >> You can force the upgrade by downloading the rpms >> and using "rpm -Uvh --ignorearch glibc-package-names.rpm" > > Tried it for the fun of it but there was something wrong with the downloaded > files. In any case, OLPC has released a newer-yet build which I've now > installed, instead of fooling with upgrading the old build. > > Thank you for your assistance and explanation, mikus No problems. You'll also see this with openssl and the kernel (if OLPC was using an upstream Fedora kernel that is). Peter From pbrobinson at gmail.com Fri Jan 9 05:08:15 2009 From: pbrobinson at gmail.com (Peter Robinson) Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 06:08:15 +0100 Subject: Fedora Desktop on XO In-Reply-To: <5256d0b0901061735l507e1d69k63e1292eb5631e3a@mail.gmail.com> References: <495A642A.1060403@laptop.org> <5256d0b0901022200i4e56e05ajb1f031dee7ea8e41@mail.gmail.com> <5256d0b0901030143v5f39f580xe2da04399a2f7c0@mail.gmail.com> <5256d0b0901052250s3e380d96rdc63f6dc61d8b863@mail.gmail.com> <5256d0b0901061714u1a6153capab94362bf8430329@mail.gmail.com> <5256d0b0901061735l507e1d69k63e1292eb5631e3a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5256d0b0901082108v27fe1948x8871684376b84ceb@mail.gmail.com> >> > For the evince vs sugar-evince I suspect we need to try and get the >> > mainline evince split out into evince and evince-libs so that we >> > can build sugar-evince against it similar to what we do with >> > abiword and write (I think that's its name). >> >> Yep, sounds good. > > When I get a sec I'll look at what's required and file a RH bug for > evince to see if we can't get the package split up. BTW where does the current sugar-evince srpm live? Peter From dsd at laptop.org Fri Jan 9 13:50:08 2009 From: dsd at laptop.org (Daniel Drake) Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 13:50:08 +0000 Subject: Fedora Desktop on XO In-Reply-To: <5256d0b0901082108v27fe1948x8871684376b84ceb@mail.gmail.com> References: <495A642A.1060403@laptop.org> <5256d0b0901022200i4e56e05ajb1f031dee7ea8e41@mail.gmail.com> <5256d0b0901030143v5f39f580xe2da04399a2f7c0@mail.gmail.com> <5256d0b0901052250s3e380d96rdc63f6dc61d8b863@mail.gmail.com> <5256d0b0901061714u1a6153capab94362bf8430329@mail.gmail.com> <5256d0b0901061735l507e1d69k63e1292eb5631e3a@mail.gmail.com> <5256d0b0901082108v27fe1948x8871684376b84ceb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <818423da0901090550k44fe091ame38274bbe80926fd@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 5:08 AM, Peter Robinson wrote: >>> > For the evince vs sugar-evince I suspect we need to try and get the >>> > mainline evince split out into evince and evince-libs so that we >>> > can build sugar-evince against it similar to what we do with >>> > abiword and write (I think that's its name). >>> >>> Yep, sounds good. >> >> When I get a sec I'll look at what's required and file a RH bug for >> evince to see if we can't get the package split up. > > BTW where does the current sugar-evince srpm live? In koji. Here is the diff against the corresponding evince version: http://dev.laptop.org/git?p=users/dsd/sugar-evince;a=commitdiff;h=d9b354a9318b6a99fa7ae185495b94431ab142c9 There are some changes to the core evince source which means that it will be more than just splitting up the F10 evince package. But that will certainly be a step in the right direction. Daniel From pbrobinson at gmail.com Thu Jan 15 03:31:22 2009 From: pbrobinson at gmail.com (Peter Robinson) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 04:31:22 +0100 Subject: OLPC vs Fedora packages Message-ID: <5256d0b0901141931u662ff201m31b25910e89b56dc@mail.gmail.com> Just thought I'd post my understanding of where the packages are at based on the list that was created at FUDCon For reference see https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/OLPC/Packages_for_F11 Also there's the OLPCDelta tracking bug in RHBZ 462625 for quick tracking of the ones I'm aware of. KOJI packages GConf-dbus - Should be able to untag. I think its also used to reduce the deps on bonobo etc. SDL_mixer - see RHBZ 471623 - Need someone to update if my thoughts are correct. abiword - mostly forked to reduce dependencies on things like printing. Probably will be unnecessary with the next major release as most of the old deps on libgnome libgnomeprint etc should disappear hippo-canvas - From my testing bigboard and mugshot compile OK but I can't really test so it should be mergeable. hulahop - OLPC-4 branch merged (and removed) just waiting for the push to mainline. Push to testing just happened today. So can essentially be removed from this list. initscripts - I seem to remember the main reason was due to rainbow using process number 1 and hence initscripts running as process number 2. JKatz is the one in the know here. olpc-utils - due to olpcupdate not being in Fedora and its dependant on it. sugar-evince - Probably need to get evince split into evince-libs and evince so that sugar-evince can build against evince-libs. Not sure if there's plans to get sugar-evince upstreamed for easy maintenance telepathy* - no idea but its documented well by others :-) totem-* - dependency reduction - I think these can probably mostly go away with the plans to introduce the ability for multiple desktops to run (sugar and something else) as e-d-s will probably be there anyway upstart - I believe its the same as for initscripts (rainbow). This I think is another one for JKatz. I also think there was discussion on fedora-olpc back in Sept/Oct timeframe. JOYRIDE packages libertas-usb8388-firmware - is in Fedora-10 and rawhide already. I thought I'd unlinked the non mainline version as we were shipping the same package in F-10 as we are for 9.1.0 and rawhide has the latest (or near latest) version. I'll also link the RHBZ bugs if there is one near each of the mentioned packages in the wiki. Cheers, Peter From pbrobinson at gmail.com Thu Jan 15 04:15:21 2009 From: pbrobinson at gmail.com (Peter Robinson) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 05:15:21 +0100 Subject: OLPC vs Fedora packages In-Reply-To: <5256d0b0901141931u662ff201m31b25910e89b56dc@mail.gmail.com> References: <5256d0b0901141931u662ff201m31b25910e89b56dc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5256d0b0901142015m4ea6cbc5sce9bd9b1d0029cc4@mail.gmail.com> > Just thought I'd post my understanding of where the packages are at > based on the list that was created at FUDCon > > For reference see https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/OLPC/Packages_for_F11 > > Also there's the OLPCDelta tracking bug in RHBZ 462625 for quick > tracking of the ones I'm aware of. > > KOJI packages > > GConf-dbus - Should be able to untag. I think its also used to reduce > the deps on bonobo etc. > > SDL_mixer - see RHBZ 471623 - Need someone to update if my thoughts are correct. > > abiword - mostly forked to reduce dependencies on things like > printing. Probably will be unnecessary with the next major release as > most of the old deps on libgnome libgnomeprint etc should disappear > > hippo-canvas - From my testing bigboard and mugshot compile OK but I > can't really test so it should be mergeable. > > hulahop - OLPC-4 branch merged (and removed) just waiting for the push > to mainline. Push to testing just happened today. So can essentially > be removed from this list. > > initscripts - I seem to remember the main reason was due to rainbow > using process number 1 and hence initscripts running as process number > 2. JKatz is the one in the know here. > > olpc-utils - due to olpcupdate not being in Fedora and its dependant on it. > > sugar-evince - Probably need to get evince split into evince-libs and > evince so that sugar-evince can build against evince-libs. Not sure if > there's plans to get sugar-evince upstreamed for easy maintenance > > telepathy* - no idea but its documented well by others :-) > > totem-* - dependency reduction - I think these can probably mostly go > away with the plans to introduce the ability for multiple desktops to > run (sugar and something else) as e-d-s will probably be there anyway > > upstart - I believe its the same as for initscripts (rainbow). This I > think is another one for JKatz. I also think there was discussion on > fedora-olpc back in Sept/Oct timeframe. > > JOYRIDE packages > > libertas-usb8388-firmware - is in Fedora-10 and rawhide already. I > thought I'd unlinked the non mainline version as we were shipping the > same package in F-10 as we are for 9.1.0 and rawhide has the latest > (or near latest) version. > > > I'll also link the RHBZ bugs if there is one near each of the > mentioned packages in the wiki. To reply to myself.... The other things that also come to mind but aren't listed that I think also need fixing are (or at least I'm not sure the state of them): - xulrunner and the OLPC patches (currently using mainline Fedora package) - Mario & Simon - NetworkManager - Not sure what the state of the mesh patches (or maybe its some other patches) is. - numeric vs numpy (I think this is the pygtk issue). Peter From pbrobinson at gmail.com Thu Jan 15 09:15:47 2009 From: pbrobinson at gmail.com (Peter Robinson) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 10:15:47 +0100 Subject: OLPC vs Fedora packages In-Reply-To: <242851610901150112w5302785ci585f0ce5285c47da@mail.gmail.com> References: <5256d0b0901141931u662ff201m31b25910e89b56dc@mail.gmail.com> <242851610901150112w5302785ci585f0ce5285c47da@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5256d0b0901150115y5583d4f4pc7b8bbc0aa70fd65@mail.gmail.com> >> sugar-evince - Probably need to get evince split into evince-libs and >> evince so that sugar-evince can build against evince-libs. Not sure if >> there's plans to get sugar-evince upstreamed for easy maintenance > > Yesterday was working in upstreaming our patches. I really really hope > that we can ship a working Read activity in the next releases of the > major distros. You can track the effort here: > http://sugarlabs.org/go/Evince Is there an upstream bug report? Peter From pbrobinson at gmail.com Thu Jan 15 09:16:24 2009 From: pbrobinson at gmail.com (Peter Robinson) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 10:16:24 +0100 Subject: OLPC vs Fedora packages In-Reply-To: <242851610901150114s4a3bd912web30e182b846cda1@mail.gmail.com> References: <5256d0b0901141931u662ff201m31b25910e89b56dc@mail.gmail.com> <5256d0b0901142015m4ea6cbc5sce9bd9b1d0029cc4@mail.gmail.com> <242851610901150114s4a3bd912web30e182b846cda1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5256d0b0901150116h4fb145eeodc3b161c893ce18f@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 10:14 AM, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: > On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 05:15, Peter Robinson wrote: >> >> - xulrunner and the OLPC patches (currently using mainline Fedora >> package) - Mario & Simon > > I have seen that in trunk the native theme can be enabled and disabled > in runtime, so that would be one patch less. I'm not 100% sure it got > into 1.9.1, though. Do you know if there's a upstream bugzilla.mozilla.org bug number? Peter From pbrobinson at gmail.com Thu Jan 15 09:17:06 2009 From: pbrobinson at gmail.com (Peter Robinson) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 10:17:06 +0100 Subject: OLPC vs Fedora packages In-Reply-To: <5256d0b0901150115y5583d4f4pc7b8bbc0aa70fd65@mail.gmail.com> References: <5256d0b0901141931u662ff201m31b25910e89b56dc@mail.gmail.com> <242851610901150112w5302785ci585f0ce5285c47da@mail.gmail.com> <5256d0b0901150115y5583d4f4pc7b8bbc0aa70fd65@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5256d0b0901150117y57649f28j3f999b4c496c7050@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 10:15 AM, Peter Robinson wrote: >>> sugar-evince - Probably need to get evince split into evince-libs and >>> evince so that sugar-evince can build against evince-libs. Not sure if >>> there's plans to get sugar-evince upstreamed for easy maintenance >> >> Yesterday was working in upstreaming our patches. I really really hope >> that we can ship a working Read activity in the next releases of the >> major distros. You can track the effort here: >> http://sugarlabs.org/go/Evince > > Is there an upstream bug report? Should read the page mentioned first :-P Peter From pbrobinson at gmail.com Thu Jan 15 09:26:27 2009 From: pbrobinson at gmail.com (Peter Robinson) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 10:26:27 +0100 Subject: OLPC vs Fedora packages In-Reply-To: <242851610901150121l626c897fr184ab390b6243920@mail.gmail.com> References: <5256d0b0901141931u662ff201m31b25910e89b56dc@mail.gmail.com> <5256d0b0901142015m4ea6cbc5sce9bd9b1d0029cc4@mail.gmail.com> <242851610901150114s4a3bd912web30e182b846cda1@mail.gmail.com> <5256d0b0901150116h4fb145eeodc3b161c893ce18f@mail.gmail.com> <242851610901150121l626c897fr184ab390b6243920@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5256d0b0901150126x5ae50a21x2c0b9857e0ef9f3a@mail.gmail.com> >>>> - xulrunner and the OLPC patches (currently using mainline Fedora >>>> package) - Mario & Simon >>> >>> I have seen that in trunk the native theme can be enabled and disabled >>> in runtime, so that would be one patch less. I'm not 100% sure it got >>> into 1.9.1, though. >> >> Do you know if there's a upstream bugzilla.mozilla.org bug number? > > This is it: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=450916 > > So I guess it got into 1.9.1. Nice. I setup a OLPC xulrunner tracking bug [1] a while ago. Feel free to add any other dependant bugs to it as well. Peter [1] https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=466870 From gdk at redhat.com Thu Jan 15 16:49:14 2009 From: gdk at redhat.com (Greg Dekoenigsberg) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 11:49:14 -0500 (EST) Subject: Meeting reminder: today, 1pm, freenode, #fedora-olpc Message-ID: So this is a big meeting today, folks. Apologies for not getting the reminder out sooner. This is the meeting in which we start discussing how we pull every OLPC package into Fedora by March 3rd. W00t! See my latest blog post for further details: http://gregdek.livejournal.com/43698.html Talk to you all soon. --g -- Got an OLPC that you're not using? Loan it to a needy developer! [[ http://wiki.laptop.org/go/XO_Exchange_Registry ]] From bpepple at fedoraproject.org Thu Jan 15 20:16:47 2009 From: bpepple at fedoraproject.org (Brian Pepple) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 15:16:47 -0500 Subject: List of packages in XO SW and not in Fedora 10 In-Reply-To: References: <495A6103.8080605@laptop.org> Message-ID: <1232050608.10097.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sat, 2009-01-03 at 17:20 -0500, Greg Dekoenigsberg wrote: > Here's the list of packages that are unique to dist-olpc4, according to > my koji run from today: > > hippo-canvas-0.3.0-5.20081014svn.olpc4 dist-olpc4 tomeu Just got done talking to Colin, and he's fine with having one of the OLPC guys maintaining hippo-canvas(1). So, we just need to determine who is going to maintain it, and have them update the devel branch. (1) http://tinyurl.com/9np98u Later, /B -- Brian Pepple https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Bpepple gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys 810CC15E BD5E 6F9E 8688 E668 8F5B CBDE 326A E936 810C C15E -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From smparrish at shallowcreek.net Thu Jan 15 20:22:09 2009 From: smparrish at shallowcreek.net (Steven M. Parrish) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 15:22:09 -0500 Subject: List of packages in XO SW and not in Fedora 10 In-Reply-To: <1232050608.10097.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <495A6103.8080605@laptop.org> <1232050608.10097.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <200901151522.10768.smparrish@shallowcreek.net> On Thursday 15 January 2009 15:16:47 Brian Pepple wrote: > On Sat, 2009-01-03 at 17:20 -0500, Greg Dekoenigsberg wrote: > > Here's the list of packages that are unique to dist-olpc4, according to > > my koji run from today: > > > > hippo-canvas-0.3.0-5.20081014svn.olpc4 dist-olpc4 tomeu > > Just got done talking to Colin, and he's fine with having one of the > OLPC guys maintaining hippo-canvas(1). So, we just need to determine > who is going to maintain it, and have them update the devel branch. > > (1) http://tinyurl.com/9np98u > > Later, > /B I can take it on SMP From cjb at laptop.org Thu Jan 15 20:30:14 2009 From: cjb at laptop.org (Chris Ball) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 15:30:14 -0500 Subject: List of packages in XO SW and not in Fedora 10 In-Reply-To: <1232050608.10097.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> (Brian Pepple's message of "Thu, 15 Jan 2009 15:16:47 -0500") References: <495A6103.8080605@laptop.org> <1232050608.10097.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: Hi, > Just got done talking to Colin, and he's fine with having one of > the OLPC guys maintaining hippo-canvas(1). So, we just need to > determine who is going to maintain it, and have them update the > devel branch. I'm not sure whether the version we're using is API-compatible with the version currently in Fedora, though -- if Colin's still using it, we'll need to work that out. Thanks, - Chris. -- Chris Ball From bpepple at fedoraproject.org Thu Jan 15 20:45:18 2009 From: bpepple at fedoraproject.org (Brian Pepple) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 15:45:18 -0500 Subject: List of packages in XO SW and not in Fedora 10 In-Reply-To: References: <495A6103.8080605@laptop.org> <1232050608.10097.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1232052318.10850.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2009-01-15 at 15:30 -0500, Chris Ball wrote: > > > Just got done talking to Colin, and he's fine with having one of > > the OLPC guys maintaining hippo-canvas(1). So, we just need to > > determine who is going to maintain it, and have them update the > > devel branch. > > I'm not sure whether the version we're using is API-compatible with the > version currently in Fedora, though -- if Colin's still using it, we'll > need to work that out. Right. Doing a quick repoquery, it looks like the only package in Fedora that requires hippo-canvas is mugshot. Later, /B -- Brian Pepple https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Bpepple gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys 810CC15E BD5E 6F9E 8688 E668 8F5B CBDE 326A E936 810C C15E -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From smparrish at shallowcreek.net Thu Jan 15 23:49:38 2009 From: smparrish at shallowcreek.net (Steven M. Parrish) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 18:49:38 -0500 Subject: List of packages in XO SW and not in Fedora 10 In-Reply-To: <1232052318.10850.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <495A6103.8080605@laptop.org> <1232052318.10850.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <200901151849.39321.smparrish@shallowcreek.net> On Thursday 15 January 2009 15:45:18 Brian Pepple wrote: > On Thu, 2009-01-15 at 15:30 -0500, Chris Ball wrote: > > > Just got done talking to Colin, and he's fine with having one of > > > the OLPC guys maintaining hippo-canvas(1). So, we just need to > > > determine who is going to maintain it, and have them update the > > > devel branch. > > > > I'm not sure whether the version we're using is API-compatible with the > > version currently in Fedora, though -- if Colin's still using it, we'll > > need to work that out. > > Right. Doing a quick repoquery, it looks like the only package in > Fedora that requires hippo-canvas is mugshot. > > Later, > /B Did you want me to take care of this for devel? SMP From cjb at laptop.org Thu Jan 15 23:51:01 2009 From: cjb at laptop.org (Chris Ball) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 18:51:01 -0500 Subject: List of packages in XO SW and not in Fedora 10 In-Reply-To: <200901151849.39321.smparrish@shallowcreek.net> (Steven M. Parrish's message of "Thu, 15 Jan 2009 18:49:38 -0500") References: <495A6103.8080605@laptop.org> <1232052318.10850.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <200901151849.39321.smparrish@shallowcreek.net> Message-ID: Hi, >> Right. Doing a quick repoquery, it looks like the only package in >> Fedora that requires hippo-canvas is mugshot. > Did you want me to take care of this for devel? If we replace Fedora's hippo-canvas with ours, we might break Mugshot. It would be great if someone could try that out and see what happens; if it looks like the packages are API-compatible then we can take over maintaining hippo-canvas, but if they aren't then we're back to the drawing board. Thanks, - Chris. -- Chris Ball From smparrish at shallowcreek.net Fri Jan 16 18:33:19 2009 From: smparrish at shallowcreek.net (Steven M. Parrish) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 13:33:19 -0500 Subject: List of packages in XO SW and not in Fedora 10 In-Reply-To: References: <495A6103.8080605@laptop.org> <200901151849.39321.smparrish@shallowcreek.net> Message-ID: <200901161333.21195.smparrish@shallowcreek.net> On Thursday 15 January 2009 18:51:01 Chris Ball wrote: > Hi, > > >> Right. Doing a quick repoquery, it looks like the only package in > >> Fedora that requires hippo-canvas is mugshot. > > > > Did you want me to take care of this for devel? > > If we replace Fedora's hippo-canvas with ours, we might break Mugshot. > It would be great if someone could try that out and see what happens; > if it looks like the packages are API-compatible then we can take over > maintaining hippo-canvas, but if they aren't then we're back to the > drawing board. > > Thanks, > > - Chris. I built mugshot against our version of hippo-canvas. It does build however it segfaults immediately. So looks like we can't use our version in mainline fedora at this time. Does anyone know/remember what the svn version of hippo- canvas offers that the official release does not? SMP From ivazqueznet at gmail.com Fri Jan 16 19:31:09 2009 From: ivazqueznet at gmail.com (Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 14:31:09 -0500 Subject: OLPC vs Fedora packages In-Reply-To: <23e2e54b0901161125x5d093dabja4218db6503a5d2e@mail.gmail.com> References: <5256d0b0901141931u662ff201m31b25910e89b56dc@mail.gmail.com> <23e2e54b0901161125x5d093dabja4218db6503a5d2e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1232134269.12251.249.camel@ignacio.lan> On Fri, 2009-01-16 at 14:25 -0500, Bobby Powers wrote: > On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 10:31 PM, Peter Robinson wrote: > > Just thought I'd post my understanding of where the packages are at > > based on the list that was created at FUDCon > > > > For reference see https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/OLPC/Packages_for_F11 > I haven't followed all the discussion, but I believe Python is also > forked in joyride with a patch for PySignal_SetWakeupFd, and the > regular F10 python with the same release number doesn't have this > included. maybe its in testing, didn't get a chance to look there. F11 has Python 2.6 which already has it. -- Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams PLEASE don't CC me; I'm already subscribed -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From smparrish at shallowcreek.net Fri Jan 16 20:26:29 2009 From: smparrish at shallowcreek.net (Steven M. Parrish) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 15:26:29 -0500 Subject: List of packages in XO SW and not in Fedora 10 In-Reply-To: <200901161333.21195.smparrish@shallowcreek.net> References: <495A6103.8080605@laptop.org> <200901161333.21195.smparrish@shallowcreek.net> Message-ID: <200901161526.30376.smparrish@shallowcreek.net> On Friday 16 January 2009 13:33:19 Steven M. Parrish wrote: > On Thursday 15 January 2009 18:51:01 Chris Ball wrote: > > Hi, > > > > >> Right. Doing a quick repoquery, it looks like the only package in > > >> Fedora that requires hippo-canvas is mugshot. > > > > > > Did you want me to take care of this for devel? > > > > If we replace Fedora's hippo-canvas with ours, we might break Mugshot. > > It would be great if someone could try that out and see what happens; > > if it looks like the packages are API-compatible then we can take over > > maintaining hippo-canvas, but if they aren't then we're back to the > > drawing board. > > > > Thanks, > > > > - Chris. > > I built mugshot against our version of hippo-canvas. It does build however > it segfaults immediately. So looks like we can't use our version in > mainline fedora at this time. Does anyone know/remember what the svn > version of hippo- canvas offers that the official release does not? > > SMP > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-olpc-list mailing list > Fedora-olpc-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-olpc-list OkI take back my previous comments. After further testing it seems mugshot only segfaults on its first run, after that it runs just fine. So looks like the svn snapshot OLPC uses should work for mainline Fedora. Comments? SMP From smparrish at shallowcreek.net Fri Jan 16 20:31:57 2009 From: smparrish at shallowcreek.net (Steven M. Parrish) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 15:31:57 -0500 Subject: Idea for a new XO package. Message-ID: <200901161531.58342.smparrish@shallowcreek.net> Coming from the wonderful land of KDE one of the best educational apps it has is Marble. http://edu.kde.org/marble/ There is a current proposal in the KDE-SiG to split Marble into a seperate package. If we decide to go this way I would like to look at getting this into Sugar and on the XO. Comments? SMP From gdk at redhat.com Fri Jan 16 21:11:23 2009 From: gdk at redhat.com (Greg Dekoenigsberg) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 16:11:23 -0500 (EST) Subject: Idea for a new XO package. In-Reply-To: <200901161531.58342.smparrish@shallowcreek.net> References: <200901161531.58342.smparrish@shallowcreek.net> Message-ID: On Fri, 16 Jan 2009, Steven M. Parrish wrote: > Coming from the wonderful land of KDE one of the best educational apps > it has is Marble. http://edu.kde.org/marble/ There is a current > proposal in the KDE-SiG to split Marble into a seperate package. If we > decide to go this way I would like to look at getting this into Sugar > and on the XO. Hmm, kinda depends upon how heavily Qt-ized it is. I have no idea what the effort would be to port something from Qt to Sugar, and pulling all of the Qt libs kinda goes against the purpose of Sugar. --g -- Got an OLPC that you're not using? Loan it to a needy developer! [[ http://wiki.laptop.org/go/XO_Exchange_Registry ]] From karlie_robinson at webpath.net Sun Jan 18 21:13:58 2009 From: karlie_robinson at webpath.net (Karlie Robinson) Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 16:13:58 -0500 Subject: [Fwd: [Lugor-discuss] One Laptop Per Child Rochester group forming] Message-ID: <49739B96.4060105@webpath.net> My schedule is a little nutty this week, but I'm going to try to attend this meeting. ~Karlie -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [Lugor-discuss] One Laptop Per Child Rochester group forming Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 14:50:45 -0500 From: chuck bryerton Reply-To: LUGOR discussion list To: lugor-discuss at list.xcski.com Hello All, OLPC Rochester, NY is * just beginning to organize. * a wiki page open for use by all interested parties in the Rochester area. OLPC XO user's group meeting at the Rochester Institute of Technology The Lab for Technological Literacy at RIT is supporting the OLPC XO Laptop project by raising awareness locally and conducting research and development initiatives. *RIT will be forming a OLPC XO Laptop user's group in January of 2009.* All meetings will take place in B. Thomas Golisano College of Computing and Information Sciences, Building 70, Golisano Auditorium, Rm 1400, (See RIT Building 70 Google Map, or campus maps at http://inside.rit.edu/maps/.) 7:00 pm - 8:50 pm, on the 4th Thursday of the month. Please join us on the following dates: * 22 January 2009 * 26 February 2009 * 26 March 2009 * 23 April 2009 * 28 May 2009 Since OLPC XO's use a Fedora base it may be of interest to you. I am a Linux beginner but a avid OLPC supporter. I will be attending with extra XO's to used. Hope to see you there. _______________________________________________ Lugor-discuss mailing list Lugor-discuss at list.xcski.com http://list.xcski.com/mailman/listinfo/lugor-discuss From cjb at laptop.org Thu Jan 22 03:23:26 2009 From: cjb at laptop.org (Chris Ball) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 22:23:26 -0500 Subject: SoaS on the XO progress In-Reply-To: (Marco Pesenti Gritti's message of "Thu, 22 Jan 2009 01:23:33 +0100") References: Message-ID: Hi Marco, > Same results as yesterday with F10 while F11 fails to /init (both > images built from an F10). I gave this a try, and I get a hang after "Loading ramdisk image.." in OFW when booting a Rawhide image built on a Rawhide/x86-64 host. Will try with a serial port connected tomorrow. Thanks, - Chris. -- Chris Ball From gdk at redhat.com Thu Jan 22 15:36:32 2009 From: gdk at redhat.com (Greg Dekoenigsberg) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 10:36:32 -0500 (EST) Subject: Reminder: meeting today Message-ID: 1pm eastern US time, irc.freenode.net, #fedora-olpc. --g -- Got an OLPC that you're not using? Loan it to a needy developer! [[ http://wiki.laptop.org/go/XO_Exchange_Registry ]] From ivazqueznet at gmail.com Thu Jan 22 20:45:16 2009 From: ivazqueznet at gmail.com (Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 15:45:16 -0500 Subject: Activities vs. RPM Message-ID: <1232657116.4002.123.camel@ignacio.lan> After watching the XO/RPM FUDCon video I had some ideas. This post summarizes them: http://ivazquez.livejournal.com/9390.html If you're at all involved with activities I'd like you to read it and share your thoughts. -- Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams PLEASE don't CC me; I'm already subscribed -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From cjb at laptop.org Thu Jan 22 23:01:25 2009 From: cjb at laptop.org (Chris Ball) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 18:01:25 -0500 Subject: SoaS on the XO progress In-Reply-To: (Marco Pesenti Gritti's message of "Thu, 22 Jan 2009 01:23:33 +0100") References: Message-ID: Hi Marco, Some extra steps: > * Clone git://git.fedoraproject.org/spin-kickstarts > * If you want F10 apply spin.patch > * Apply live.patch in /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/imgcreate * sudo yum -y install livecd-tools mtd-utils crcimg * If you're building on F10, s/ext4/ext3/ in fedora-live-base.ks > * sudo livecd-creator --cache=cache -c fedora-livecd-desktop.ks I'm still not able to get the images I create to boot on the XO -- could you confirm that you're using the Fedora kernel and initrd? I wonder what else could be different between our setups.. Thanks! - Chris. -- Chris Ball From jvonau at shaw.ca Fri Jan 23 01:05:49 2009 From: jvonau at shaw.ca (Jerry Vonau) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 19:05:49 -0600 Subject: SoaS on the XO progress In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1232672749.2515.13.camel@f9.vonau.ca> On Thu, 2009-01-22 at 18:01 -0500, Chris Ball wrote: > Hi Marco, > > Some extra steps: > > > * Clone git://git.fedoraproject.org/spin-kickstarts > > * If you want F10 apply spin.patch > > * Apply live.patch in /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/imgcreate > > * sudo yum -y install livecd-tools mtd-utils crcimg > * If you're building on F10, s/ext4/ext3/ in fedora-live-base.ks > > > * sudo livecd-creator --cache=cache -c fedora-livecd-desktop.ks > > I'm still not able to get the images I create to boot on the XO -- could > you confirm that you're using the Fedora kernel and initrd? I wonder > what else could be different between our setups.. > > Thanks! > > - Chris. Chris what are you using for the /boot/olpc.fth file? I have luck using the below, in that file, on a usb-drive: \ Boot script for USB boot hex rom-pa fffc7 + 4 $number drop h# 2e19 < [if] patch 2drop erase claim-params : high-ramdisk ( -- ) cv-load-ramdisk h# 22c +lp l@ 1+ memory-limit umin /ramdisk - ffff.f000 and ( new-ramdisk-adr ) ramdisk-adr over /ramdisk move ( new-ramdisk-adr ) to ramdisk-adr ; ' high-ramdisk to load-ramdisk [then] : set-bootpath-dev ( -- ) " /chosen" find-package if ( phandle ) " bootpath" rot get-package-property 0= if ( propval$ ) get-encoded-string ( bootpath$ ) [char] \ left-parse-string 2nip ( dn$ ) dn-buf place ( ) then then " /sd" dn-buf count sindex 0>= if " sd:" else " u:" then " BOOTPATHDEV" $set-macro ; set-bootpath-dev " text ks=hd:LABEL=XSRepo:/ks.cfg " to boot-file " ${BOOTPATHDEV}\boot\initrd.img" expand$ to ramdisk " ${BOOTPATHDEV}\boot\vmlinuz" expand$ to boot-device unfreeze boot The above code is found in the latest livecd-tools and is added if you pass --XO on the cmdline. I'm booting the xs-05 installer with the above code, you would have to edit: "" to boot-file for that boot arguments you want and the vmlinuz and initrd.img lines or make links pointing to the real files. Jerry From sayamindu at gmail.com Fri Jan 23 17:24:11 2009 From: sayamindu at gmail.com (Sayamindu Dasgupta) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 22:54:11 +0530 Subject: [Sugar-devel] SoaS on the XO progress In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 10:47 PM, Marco Pesenti Gritti wrote: > Yay, stock F10 is now running GNOME fine. Some more things I found: > > * I was not using -a when copying the files, so owners and all kind of > other stuff was not preserved. That's the cause of the hal failure, > new script attached. > > * With selinux enabled you cannot login from the console. Perhaps > jffs2/selinux issues? I'm just disabling it for now. > > -selinux --enforcing > +selinux --disabled > > * rpm does not work. It complains about mmap failure when reading the > db, jffs2 related? > FWIW, I have noticed mmap errors while trying to deal with large files (~70MB) on the standard OLPC builds. localedef does not work in the XO for this (strace shows that it chokes when trying to mmap /usr/lib/locale/locale-archive) -sdg- -- Sayamindu Dasgupta [http://sayamindu.randomink.org/ramblings] From cjb at laptop.org Fri Jan 23 21:41:55 2009 From: cjb at laptop.org (Chris Ball) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 16:41:55 -0500 Subject: SoaS on the XO progress In-Reply-To: (Marco Pesenti Gritti's message of "Fri, 23 Jan 2009 18:17:56 +0100") References: Message-ID: Hi Marco, Got it working now. livecd-creator should be run on x86_64 as: sudo setarch i386 livecd-creator ... > * X doesn't actually crash the system, it's just very broken :) If > you switch to vt and back you can also see some parts of the gdm > screen. It looks definitely like a regression in the updates. If I > build an image with updates disabled X works fine. D'oh, I think OLPC asked Warren to push that X driver update, and it sounds like we didn't test it properly. Is there a good way to select which version of an RPM to use in kickstart, maybe? I tried building Rawhide, and got the error you mentioned, linked below. Running "bash-3.2# mount -t jffs2 mtd0 /mnt" works, though, so I'm not sure what's up / why it's not creating /dev/root properly. Jeremy, any ideas? http://dev.laptop.org/~cjb/f11-boot Thanks, - Chris. -- Chris Ball From sebastian at when.com Sat Jan 24 22:43:43 2009 From: sebastian at when.com (Sebastian Dziallas) Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 23:43:43 +0100 Subject: SoaS on the XO progress In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <497B999F.600@when.com> Marco Pesenti Gritti wrote: > On Sat, Jan 24, 2009 at 2:12 AM, Marco Pesenti Gritti > wrote: >> On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 10:41 PM, Chris Ball wrote: >>> D'oh, I think OLPC asked Warren to push that X driver update, and it >>> sounds like we didn't test it properly. Is there a good way to select >>> which version of an RPM to use in kickstart, maybe? >> Which package are you referring to here exactly? I'm confused because >> F10 and rawhide seem to have the same versions of X packages, and >> joyride works but F10 doesn't. > > Hm, reverting from 2.11 to 2.10 actually fixes it. So I don't get why > 2.11 works in joyride. > > Marco I just wanted to add that it's possible to select a specific version in a kickstart file. Though, as far as I know, it's a revisor-only feature. You can run revisor and add the --kickstart-exact-nevra option then: --kickstart-exact-nevra Force Revisor to interpret the package manifest as complete package nevra (name, epoch, version, release and architecture). Implies --kickstart-exact 'yum install revisor' should do the trick [1]. ;) --Sebastian [1] https://fedorahosted.org/revisor/ From simon at schampijer.de Mon Jan 26 18:11:48 2009 From: simon at schampijer.de (Simon Schampijer) Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 19:11:48 +0100 Subject: hulahop 0.4.7 got in updates by mistake Message-ID: <497DFCE4.4030904@schampijer.de> Hi, https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/hulahop-0.4.7-1.fc10 got into F10 updates by mistake - Browse is broken. I build now 0.4.6 again with the Epoch field set to 1. https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/hulahop-0.4.6-5.fc10 Please vote if it works for you :) Thanks, Simon From mikus at bga.com Mon Jan 26 20:03:20 2009 From: mikus at bga.com (Mikus Grinbergs) Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 15:03:20 -0500 Subject: hulahop 0.4.7 got in updates by mistake Message-ID: <497E1708.30008@bga.com> > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/hulahop-0.4.7-1.fc10 got into > F10 updates by mistake - Browse is broken. I build now 0.4.6 again with > the Epoch field set to 1. I'm running on a "real" XO with Joyride 2632/2633, which has hulahop-0.4.7-1.olpc4 As far as I can tell, Browse Activity works fine for me. mikus From simon at schampijer.de Tue Jan 27 08:43:28 2009 From: simon at schampijer.de (Simon Schampijer) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 09:43:28 +0100 Subject: hulahop 0.4.7 got in updates by mistake In-Reply-To: <497E1708.30008@bga.com> References: <497E1708.30008@bga.com> Message-ID: <497EC930.9070904@schampijer.de> Mikus Grinbergs wrote: >> https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/hulahop-0.4.7-1.fc10 got into >> F10 updates by mistake - Browse is broken. I build now 0.4.6 again with >> the Epoch field set to 1. > > I'm running on a "real" XO with Joyride 2632/2633, which has > hulahop-0.4.7-1.olpc4 As far as I can tell, Browse Activity works > fine for me. > > mikus Joyride does not contain the same versions than F10. F10 ships Sucrose 0.82 and Joyride 0.84. Simon From pbrobinson at gmail.com Wed Jan 28 08:55:59 2009 From: pbrobinson at gmail.com (Peter Robinson) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 09:55:59 +0100 Subject: Moving joyride to rawhide Message-ID: <5256d0b0901280055y3dd56c58v56909c1776708d3@mail.gmail.com> Hi All, With the plans of releasing what is/was going to be 9.1.0 as based on Fedora 11 (rather than the original plans of Fedora 10) what is the plans on moving the joyride daily builds to pull in rawhide rather than Fedora 10? Is the plan for the 9.1.0 release (is it still going to be called that?) to be built from the existing OLPC build system (pilgrim?) or is there plans to move it to the Fedora system? If there are plans to move to the Fedora build system will it be able to sign the releases etc, or is this planned for sometime later? The reason I ask these questions is because its probably better to make the move sooner rather than later so people don't waste time testing and fixing things on Fedora 10 where it would be better to use the time with Fedora 11 so larger changes like python 2.6 etc can be tested. Sorry for the ramble..... Peter From dsd at laptop.org Wed Jan 28 12:55:12 2009 From: dsd at laptop.org (Daniel Drake) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 09:55:12 -0300 Subject: Moving joyride to rawhide In-Reply-To: <5256d0b0901280055y3dd56c58v56909c1776708d3@mail.gmail.com> References: <5256d0b0901280055y3dd56c58v56909c1776708d3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <818423da0901280455p10d063d5kc0acc42d57e7504c@mail.gmail.com> 2009/1/28 Peter Robinson : > With the plans of releasing what is/was going to be 9.1.0 as based on > Fedora 11 (rather than the original plans of Fedora 10) what is the > plans on moving the joyride daily builds to pull in rawhide rather > than Fedora 10? Is the plan for the 9.1.0 release (is it still going > to be called that?) to be built from the existing OLPC build system > (pilgrim?) or is there plans to move it to the Fedora system? If there > are plans to move to the Fedora build system will it be able to sign > the releases etc, or is this planned for sometime later? The reason I > ask these questions is because its probably better to make the move > sooner rather than later so people don't waste time testing and fixing > things on Fedora 10 where it would be better to use the time with > Fedora 11 so larger changes like python 2.6 etc can be tested. I believe that we want to build things using Fedora's tools -- we actually would like Fedora to build the releases in future. So, this means that pilgrim goes away, or that pilgrim gets adopted by Fedora (the former, I guess!). Some work may be needed on Fedora's build tools, but I was extremely pleased to hear that Sugar-on-a-stick is being built with standard Fedora tools, and we now have a (nearly?-)functional Soas XO image. Details like security, signing and updates remain to be figured out, I believe. For now, having a partially bootable image based on rawhide will be a great start. It would be best to use your time with OLPC-F11 preparation - I don't see the current joyride going anywhere. Daniel From cjb at laptop.org Wed Jan 28 15:27:04 2009 From: cjb at laptop.org (Chris Ball) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 10:27:04 -0500 Subject: Moving joyride to rawhide In-Reply-To: <5256d0b0901280055y3dd56c58v56909c1776708d3@mail.gmail.com> (Peter Robinson's message of "Wed, 28 Jan 2009 09:55:59 +0100") References: <5256d0b0901280055y3dd56c58v56909c1776708d3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Peter, > Hi All, With the plans of releasing what is/was going to be 9.1.0 > as based on Fedora 11 (rather than the original plans of Fedora 10) > what is the plans on moving the joyride daily builds to pull in > rawhide rather than Fedora 10? As Daniel said, I think a better plan is to start using livecd-tools as our build system. I tried making what would be the first "joyride" F11 build in this thread: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-olpc-list/2009-January/msg00081.html But I'm stuck with /dev/root not being created for an odd reason, could use some Fedora initrd knowledge. Once we have something that boots, I'd be happy to set up nightly automated builds using livecd-tools. Thanks! - Chris. -- Chris Ball From simon at schampijer.de Wed Jan 28 17:12:03 2009 From: simon at schampijer.de (Simon Schampijer) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 18:12:03 +0100 Subject: [Sugar-devel] Soas snapshot In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <498091E3.5020807@schampijer.de> Marco Pesenti Gritti wrote: > You can download the iso here: > > http://download.sugarlabs.org/soas/snapshots/1/Soas-200901271941.iso I have an issue to boot the stick on my desktop machine (ASUS A7V8X-X). It works fine on my T61 though. SYSLINUX 3.51 2007-06-10 EBIOS Copyright (C) 1994-2007 H. Peter Anvin Could not find kernel image: linux boot I tried if i could start the kernel directly with: boot: /syslinux/vmlinuz0 but it can not be found. Tried as well to specify the initrd but I always get the message that the kernel image can not be found. Found this thread but it does not really contain any solution for me https://fedorahosted.org/liveusb-creator/ticket/58 I use as well Fat16 as claimed by a few in this thread. Anyhow, so the images work great in general! Maybe someone has an idea about this error :) Thanks, Simon From gdk at redhat.com Wed Jan 28 20:38:33 2009 From: gdk at redhat.com (Greg Dekoenigsberg) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 15:38:33 -0500 (EST) Subject: Tomorrow's meeting Message-ID: Hi folks. I find myself in an important meeting here at Red Hat that I cannot gracefully get out of, and it is during our fedora-olpc meeting time. Unless someone else would like to lead, I'm afraid I'm going to have to cancel. I recommend deferring, and meeting during our next scheduled meeting time, which is February 5th. --g -- Got an XO that you're not using? Loan it to a needy developer! [[ http://wiki.laptop.org/go/XO_Exchange_Registry ]] From ed at laptop.org Wed Jan 28 20:41:28 2009 From: ed at laptop.org (Ed McNierney) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 15:41:28 -0500 Subject: Tomorrow's meeting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Since when have you developed this desire to do things gracefully? I would be happy to defer to the 5th; thanks. - Ed On Jan 28, 2009, at 3:38 PM, Greg Dekoenigsberg wrote: > > Hi folks. I find myself in an important meeting here at Red Hat > that I cannot gracefully get out of, and it is during our fedora- > olpc meeting time. Unless someone else would like to lead, I'm > afraid I'm going to have to cancel. > > I recommend deferring, and meeting during our next scheduled meeting > time, which is February 5th. > > --g > > -- > Got an XO that you're not using? Loan it to a needy developer! > [[ http://wiki.laptop.org/go/XO_Exchange_Registry ]] > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-olpc-list mailing list > Fedora-olpc-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-olpc-list From gdk at redhat.com Wed Jan 28 20:47:52 2009 From: gdk at redhat.com (Greg Dekoenigsberg) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 15:47:52 -0500 (EST) Subject: Tomorrow's meeting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, 28 Jan 2009, Ed McNierney wrote: > Since when have you developed this desire to do things gracefully? Since lawyers ended up in my reporting structure. :) > I would be happy to defer to the 5th; thanks. All right. Unless I hear someone step up to lead the meeting, talk to everyone on the 5th. --g -- Got an XO that you're not using? Loan it to a needy developer! [[ http://wiki.laptop.org/go/XO_Exchange_Registry ]] From sebastian at when.com Wed Jan 28 20:50:51 2009 From: sebastian at when.com (Sebastian Dziallas) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 21:50:51 +0100 Subject: Fedora on XO - Lite Message-ID: <4980C52B.7040807@when.com> Hi folks, well, why his subject line? What some tend to call 'Fedora on XO' was intended for the most recent G1G1 project, right? Work has continued since then, based on jlaska's announcement of the foundation of a XFCE team [1]. For example, a wiki page has been drafted up here [2]. But the most important result might be in the GIT repo, which contains the kickstart files [3]. Some unneeded hardware support has been dropped (e.g. for network cards, as well as for graphics), though, there might be still some low hanging fruits. The olpc-base.ks is heavily based on the fedora-live-base.ks, but was trimmed down. On the other hand, we're including a XFCE desktop environment with quite some applications in the olpc-xfce.ks file. So why am I writing this post? I've been continuing to produce builds for this, and it turned out, that the most recent image is just around 275 MB! Hey, that's pretty small, hu? ;) But there are also some problems: For example, it turned out that with the F10 updates enabled, there was just some image flickering and no chance to login to the desktop. I'm not yet completely sure, what to suspect: At first, I had SELinux in mind, but disabling it didn't change a lot (just some warnings went away). Now I'm thinking about some X.org drivers, but well... Overall, when just creating the image just from the F10 distribution, it works as expected, so there must be an update the cause. Nevertheless, feedback (for example on what else to remove) or suggestions regarding the selected apps are greatly appreciated. :) --Sebastian [1] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-olpc-list/2008-October/msg00080.html [2] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/TestPlans/XFCE [3] http://dev.laptop.org/git/projects/fedora-xo From cjb at laptop.org Wed Jan 28 21:26:14 2009 From: cjb at laptop.org (Chris Ball) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 16:26:14 -0500 Subject: Fedora on XO - Lite In-Reply-To: <4980C52B.7040807@when.com> (Sebastian Dziallas's message of "Wed, 28 Jan 2009 21:50:51 +0100") References: <4980C52B.7040807@when.com> Message-ID: Hi Sebastian, > So why am I writing this post? I've been continuing to produce > builds for this, and it turned out, that the most recent image is > just around 275 MB! Hey, that's pretty small, hu? ;) Cool! We are moving OLPC's builds towards being created with livecd-tools on F11, so we should work together on these spins. > But there are also some problems: For example, it turned out that > with the F10 updates enabled, there was just some image flickering > and no chance to login to the desktop. I'm not yet completely sure, > what to suspect: At first, I had SELinux in mind, but disabling it > didn't change a lot (just some warnings went away). Now I'm > thinking about some X.org drivers, but well... Yes, it's the Xorg driver, as reported by Marco in this thread: http://lists.laptop.org/pipermail/devel/2009-January/022698.html > Nevertheless, feedback (for example on what else to remove) or > suggestions regarding the selected apps are greatly appreciated. :) I'd love to see a similarly-trimmed-down GNOME spin. Thanks! - Chris. -- Chris Ball From bpepple at fedoraproject.org Wed Jan 28 23:55:53 2009 From: bpepple at fedoraproject.org (Brian Pepple) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 18:55:53 -0500 Subject: Tomorrow's meeting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1233186953.6562.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2009-01-28 at 15:38 -0500, Greg Dekoenigsberg wrote: > Hi folks. I find myself in an important meeting here at Red Hat that I > cannot gracefully get out of, and it is during our fedora-olpc meeting > time. Unless someone else would like to lead, I'm afraid I'm going to > have to cancel. > > I recommend deferring, and meeting during our next scheduled meeting time, > which is February 5th. Works for me. Later, /B -- Brian Pepple https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Bpepple gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys 810CC15E BD5E 6F9E 8688 E668 8F5B CBDE 326A E936 810C C15E -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From sebastian at when.com Thu Jan 29 21:04:57 2009 From: sebastian at when.com (Sebastian Dziallas) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 22:04:57 +0100 Subject: Fedora on XO - Lite In-Reply-To: References: <4980C52B.7040807@when.com> Message-ID: <498219F9.3060203@when.com> Chris Ball wrote: > Hi Sebastian, > > > So why am I writing this post? I've been continuing to produce > > builds for this, and it turned out, that the most recent image is > > just around 275 MB! Hey, that's pretty small, hu? ;) > > Cool! We are moving OLPC's builds towards being created with > livecd-tools on F11, so we should work together on these spins. Yeah, this would be great! :) > > But there are also some problems: For example, it turned out that > > with the F10 updates enabled, there was just some image flickering > > and no chance to login to the desktop. I'm not yet completely sure, > > what to suspect: At first, I had SELinux in mind, but disabling it > > didn't change a lot (just some warnings went away). Now I'm > > thinking about some X.org drivers, but well... > > Yes, it's the Xorg driver, as reported by Marco in this thread: > > http://lists.laptop.org/pipermail/devel/2009-January/022698.html Oh, I didn't recall this one. Mh! Are there already plans on how to move on regarding this? > > Nevertheless, feedback (for example on what else to remove) or > > suggestions regarding the selected apps are greatly appreciated. :) > > I'd love to see a similarly-trimmed-down GNOME spin. > > Thanks! > > - Chris. Heh. It's funny that I based this on the work I did with Jim some month ago... but here you go: I just built and tested such a spin with GNOME. It's around 285 MB, even though I included e.g. stuff like firefox, which is quite big. Sounds like a beginning, hu? ;) --Sebastian From simon at schampijer.de Fri Jan 30 14:41:38 2009 From: simon at schampijer.de (Simon Schampijer) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 15:41:38 +0100 Subject: Package Fructose activities for F11 Message-ID: <498311A2.4090201@schampijer.de> Hi, as discussed in the xo/rpm session at FUDCon [1] we decided to keep the xo format and push the activities addons infrastructure forward. The fructose packages (a basic set of activities) will keep on being packaged for the distributions (debain, fedora, ubuntu?) to offer a basic system to start from. All the other non-fructose activities we do not care packaging for the moment. The latest Sucrose release 0.83.4 [2] contains the following Activities. Most of them need to be packaged for F11 since we want to ship Sucrose 0.84. I did request permissions to each of the activities to be able to help package them (please set them as appropriate - Jeremy has the most of the requests :). And help packaging the activities would be really appreciated. Fabian and others have been doing a great work already! * read 63 (not packaged yet - evince dependency - tomeu is getting this upstream) * chat 62 (47) * terminal 21 (16) * imageviewer 5 (+ 5 http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=80698) * jukebox 6 (+ 6 http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=75499) * turtleart 23 (+ 23 http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=74780) * browse 103 (+ 103) * etoys 99 (license) * write 61 (59 http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=72612) * calculate 28 (23 http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=72601) * log 16 (+ 16 http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=72605) * pippy 25 (not packaged yet) And you can become a package for glucose (the base system (sugar-shell, sugar-toolkit...)) as well. Instructions can be found at [3] and I am happy to answer any questions about that. Thanks, Simon [1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Sugar_on_Fedora:_RPMs_or_.xos%3F [2] http://sugarlabs.org/go/DevelopmentTeam/Release/Releases/Sucrose/0.83.4#Fructose_modules [3] http://git.sugarlabs.org/projects/sugar/repos/mainline/blobs/master/docs/release_howto.txt From katzj at redhat.com Fri Jan 30 16:02:54 2009 From: katzj at redhat.com (Jeremy Katz) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 11:02:54 -0500 Subject: Package Fructose activities for F11 In-Reply-To: <498311A2.4090201@schampijer.de> References: <498311A2.4090201@schampijer.de> Message-ID: <20090130160253.GA34239@redhat.com> On Friday, January 30 2009, Simon Schampijer said: > The latest Sucrose release 0.83.4 [2] contains the following Activities. > Most of them need to be packaged for F11 since we want to ship Sucrose > 0.84. I did request permissions to each of the activities to be able to > help package them (please set them as appropriate - Jeremy has the most > of the requests :). And help packaging the activities would be really > appreciated. Fabian and others have been doing a great work already! I've gone ahead and approved Simon's access here, but it's probably also better for someone else to take over the packages. So if I can get volunteers, I'll go ahead and orphan them in pkgdb. The packages are -calculator, -chat, -terminal, and -write Jeremy From pbrobinson at gmail.com Fri Jan 30 16:13:56 2009 From: pbrobinson at gmail.com (Peter Robinson) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 16:13:56 +0000 Subject: hulahop 0.4.7 got in updates by mistake In-Reply-To: <1233318436.4136.2.camel@wicktop.localdomain> References: <497DFCE4.4030904@schampijer.de> <1233318436.4136.2.camel@wicktop.localdomain> Message-ID: <5256d0b0901300813i745a40f3s95933e46cf348458@mail.gmail.com> > Am Montag, den 26.01.2009, 19:11 +0100 schrieb Simon Schampijer: >> Hi, >> >> https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/hulahop-0.4.7-1.fc10 got into >> F10 updates by mistake - Browse is broken. > > Peter, why did you push it to stable after only a single day in testing? > This way you render updates-testing useless. I didn't believe I did but at the time I was dealing with a pile of stuff and it might have slipped through. It was the exact same package as in the OLPC-4 branch at the time so it had already had a lot of test and it was just moving it across as there was no reason for a branch, see the discussion about it on the list. Peter From smparrish at shallowcreek.net Fri Jan 30 16:19:11 2009 From: smparrish at shallowcreek.net (Steven M. Parrish) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 16:19:11 +0000 Subject: Package Fructose activities for F11 In-Reply-To: <20090130160253.GA34239@redhat.com> References: <498311A2.4090201@schampijer.de> <20090130160253.GA34239@redhat.com> Message-ID: <200901301619.12201.smparrish@shallowcreek.net> On Friday 30 January 2009 16:02:54 Jeremy Katz wrote: > On Friday, January 30 2009, Simon Schampijer said: > > The latest Sucrose release 0.83.4 [2] contains the following Activities. > > Most of them need to be packaged for F11 since we want to ship Sucrose > > 0.84. I did request permissions to each of the activities to be able to > > help package them (please set them as appropriate - Jeremy has the most > > of the requests :). And help packaging the activities would be really > > appreciated. Fabian and others have been doing a great work already! > > I've gone ahead and approved Simon's access here, but it's probably also > better for someone else to take over the packages. So if I can get > volunteers, I'll go ahead and orphan them in pkgdb. The packages are > -calculator, -chat, -terminal, and -write > > Jeremy > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-olpc-list mailing list > Fedora-olpc-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-olpc-list I'll take over -chat and -terminal Steven From simon at schampijer.de Fri Jan 30 17:04:57 2009 From: simon at schampijer.de (Simon Schampijer) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 18:04:57 +0100 Subject: Package Fructose activities for F11 In-Reply-To: <200901301619.12201.smparrish@shallowcreek.net> References: <498311A2.4090201@schampijer.de> <20090130160253.GA34239@redhat.com> <200901301619.12201.smparrish@shallowcreek.net> Message-ID: <49833339.7090408@schampijer.de> Steven M. Parrish wrote: > On Friday 30 January 2009 16:02:54 Jeremy Katz wrote: >> On Friday, January 30 2009, Simon Schampijer said: >>> The latest Sucrose release 0.83.4 [2] contains the following Activities. >>> Most of them need to be packaged for F11 since we want to ship Sucrose >>> 0.84. I did request permissions to each of the activities to be able to >>> help package them (please set them as appropriate - Jeremy has the most >>> of the requests :). And help packaging the activities would be really >>> appreciated. Fabian and others have been doing a great work already! >> I've gone ahead and approved Simon's access here, but it's probably also >> better for someone else to take over the packages. So if I can get >> volunteers, I'll go ahead and orphan them in pkgdb. The packages are >> -calculator, -chat, -terminal, and -write >> >> Jeremy >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Fedora-olpc-list mailing list >> Fedora-olpc-list at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-olpc-list > > I'll take over -chat and -terminal > > Steven Yeay - that is the right spirit! I went away and updated most of the activities because I need them for the next SoaS. Terminal is still open, could be your intro :) New List: * read 63 (- not packaged yet - evince dependency - tomeu got this upstream - we need to make sure that the next release from upstream gets correctly packaged for Read) * chat 62 (+) * terminal 21 (- 16) * imageviewer 5 (+) * jukebox 6 (+) * turtleart 23 (+) * browse 103 (+ ) * etoys 99 (- license) * write 61 (+) * calculate 28 (+) * log 16 (+) * pippy 25 (- not packaged yet) Thanks very much, Simon From fab at fedoraproject.org Fri Jan 30 17:23:06 2009 From: fab at fedoraproject.org (Fabian Affolter) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 18:23:06 +0100 Subject: Package Fructose activities for F11 In-Reply-To: <498311A2.4090201@schampijer.de> References: <498311A2.4090201@schampijer.de> Message-ID: <4983377A.3070904@fedoraproject.org> Simon Schampijer schrieb: > * pippy 25 (not packaged yet) I made a package of Pippy some days ago. There is the Review Request. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=481513 Fabian -- Fingerprint: 2F6C 930F D3C4 7E38 6AFA 4EB4 E23C D2DD 36A4 397F Fedora always leads and never follows. From fab at fedoraproject.org Fri Jan 30 17:25:28 2009 From: fab at fedoraproject.org (Fabian Affolter) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 18:25:28 +0100 Subject: Package Fructose activities for F11 In-Reply-To: <49833339.7090408@schampijer.de> References: <498311A2.4090201@schampijer.de> <20090130160253.GA34239@redhat.com> <200901301619.12201.smparrish@shallowcreek.net> <49833339.7090408@schampijer.de> Message-ID: <49833808.8030407@fedoraproject.org> Simon Schampijer schrieb: > Steven M. Parrish wrote: >> On Friday 30 January 2009 16:02:54 Jeremy Katz wrote: >> I'll take over -chat and -terminal > Yeay - that is the right spirit! I went away and updated most of the > activities because I need them for the next SoaS. Terminal is still > open, could be your intro :) Feel free to takeover the bug as well ;-) https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=481520 Fabian -- Fingerprint: 2F6C 930F D3C4 7E38 6AFA 4EB4 E23C D2DD 36A4 397F Fedora always leads and never follows. From smparrish at shallowcreek.net Fri Jan 30 17:42:31 2009 From: smparrish at shallowcreek.net (Steven M. Parrish) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 17:42:31 +0000 Subject: Package Fructose activities for F11 In-Reply-To: <49833808.8030407@fedoraproject.org> References: <498311A2.4090201@schampijer.de> <49833339.7090408@schampijer.de> <49833808.8030407@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <200901301742.31938.smparrish@shallowcreek.net> On Friday 30 January 2009 17:25:28 Fabian Affolter wrote: > Simon Schampijer schrieb: > > Steven M. Parrish wrote: > >> On Friday 30 January 2009 16:02:54 Jeremy Katz wrote: > >> I'll take over -chat and -terminal > > > > Yeay - that is the right spirit! I went away and updated most of the > > activities because I need them for the next SoaS. Terminal is still > > open, could be your intro :) > > Feel free to takeover the bug as well ;-) > > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=481520 > > Fabian Got it. Steven From smparrish at shallowcreek.net Fri Jan 30 18:45:04 2009 From: smparrish at shallowcreek.net (Steven M. Parrish) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 18:45:04 +0000 Subject: Package Fructose activities for F11 In-Reply-To: <4983377A.3070904@fedoraproject.org> References: <498311A2.4090201@schampijer.de> <4983377A.3070904@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <200901301845.04976.smparrish@shallowcreek.net> On Friday 30 January 2009 17:23:06 Fabian Affolter wrote: > Simon Schampijer schrieb: > > * pippy 25 (not packaged yet) > > I made a package of Pippy some days ago. There is the Review Request. > > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=481513 > > Fabian I'll try and get to this and other pending sugar-* reviews this week. Steven