From msolberg at redhat.com Sun Mar 1 15:32:44 2009 From: msolberg at redhat.com (Michael Solberg) Date: Sun, 01 Mar 2009 10:32:44 -0500 Subject: Announce: first bootable Rawhide build In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1235921564.14995.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2009-02-17 at 16:08 -0500, Chris Ball wrote: > Hi, > > Today's (unmodified) Rawhide build boots into X on the XO, so I made > some disk images for it. They contain both Sugar and GNOME, and you > can choose between the two in GDM. Sebastian Dziallas made the > kickstart file that we're using. > > http://dev.laptop.org/~cjb/rawhide-xo/20090217/ > > Installation instructions: > > * Get a developer key, http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Activation_and_Developer_Keys > * Upgrade to latest OFW, http://wiki.laptop.org/go/OLPC_Firmware_q2e32 > > NAND: > > * put 20090217.img and .crc on a USB key > * in OFW: copy-nand u:\20090217.img I still can't seem to get this to work on my XO. I have the latest firmware, the developer key on my USB stick in /security/develop.sig, I ran "disable-security" in Open Firmware, and I copied the image to the nand. I no longer get the frowny face, I can't get past "Loading ramdisk image from nand:\boot\initrd0.img ...". Is this a symptom of the SD card support issues? Michael. From sebastian at when.com Sun Mar 1 15:42:20 2009 From: sebastian at when.com (Sebastian Dziallas) Date: Sun, 01 Mar 2009 16:42:20 +0100 Subject: Announce: first bootable Rawhide build In-Reply-To: <1235921564.14995.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1235921564.14995.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <49AAACDC.3030003@when.com> Michael Solberg wrote: > On Tue, 2009-02-17 at 16:08 -0500, Chris Ball wrote: >> Hi, >> >> Today's (unmodified) Rawhide build boots into X on the XO, so I made >> some disk images for it. They contain both Sugar and GNOME, and you >> can choose between the two in GDM. Sebastian Dziallas made the >> kickstart file that we're using. >> >> http://dev.laptop.org/~cjb/rawhide-xo/20090217/ >> >> Installation instructions: >> >> * Get a developer key, http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Activation_and_Developer_Keys >> * Upgrade to latest OFW, http://wiki.laptop.org/go/OLPC_Firmware_q2e32 >> >> NAND: >> >> * put 20090217.img and .crc on a USB key >> * in OFW: copy-nand u:\20090217.img > > I still can't seem to get this to work on my XO. > > I have the latest firmware, the developer key on my USB stick > in /security/develop.sig, I ran "disable-security" in Open Firmware, and > I copied the image to the nand. > > I no longer get the frowny face, I can't get past "Loading ramdisk image > from nand:\boot\initrd0.img ...". > > Is this a symptom of the SD card support issues? > > Michael. I had this issue some days ago when trying to copy the 20090227 image to NAND. As it turned out, I didn't have the updated firmware! You might want to grab it from here: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/OLPC_Firmware_q2e32 Hope this helps ;) --Sebastian From mikus at bga.com Sun Mar 1 20:25:13 2009 From: mikus at bga.com (Mikus Grinbergs) Date: Sun, 01 Mar 2009 15:25:13 -0500 Subject: Announce: first bootable Rawhide build Message-ID: <49AAEF29.6050006@bga.com> > I still can't seem to get this to work on my XO. > > I have the latest firmware, the developer key on my USB stick > in /security/develop.sig, I ran "disable-security" in Open Firmware, and > I copied the image to the nand. > > I no longer get the frowny face, I can't get past "Loading ramdisk image > from nand:\boot\initrd0.img ...". I've been criticized for publishing 'opinions', not 'facts'. It is my 'opinion' that I notice more frequently in 2009 than in 2008 that I sometimes can't get past "Loading ramdisk image from nand:\boot\initrd0.img ...". [To even see that message with the latest firmware, one needs to press the 'check' button when booting -- it is now my practice to *always* press 'check' when what I am trying to boot is rawhide !] I have a number of external devices plugged into the USB ports on my XO -- when I see that message I'll normally unplug something and then repeat trying to boot. > > Is this a symptom of the SD card support issues? In addition to the 100-second timeout during XO boot for which someone wrote a bugzilla.redhat ticket, I experience 40-100 second delays each time I access the SD card on my XO from rawhide. As a result, instead of a "permanent SD card" (as on my other XOs, to hold additional software and data) I now use a "permanent USB stick" on the XO on which I run rawhide. mikus From cjb at laptop.org Sun Mar 1 20:35:28 2009 From: cjb at laptop.org (Chris Ball) Date: Sun, 01 Mar 2009 15:35:28 -0500 Subject: Announce: first bootable Rawhide build In-Reply-To: <49AAEF29.6050006@bga.com> (Mikus Grinbergs's message of "Sun, 01 Mar 2009 15:25:13 -0500") References: <49AAEF29.6050006@bga.com> Message-ID: Hi, >> Is this a symptom of the SD card support issues? > In addition to the 100-second timeout during XO boot for which > someone wrote a bugzilla.redhat ticket, I experience 40-100 second > delays each time I access the SD card on my XO from rawhide. This is unsurprising, because SD doesn't work on Rawhide; we have a patch, and it is not included yet. I'll post to the list when SD is working. - Chris. -- Chris Ball From katzj at redhat.com Mon Mar 2 03:23:37 2009 From: katzj at redhat.com (Jeremy Katz) Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 22:23:37 -0500 Subject: rsync'ing .iso In-Reply-To: <242851610903010503p25e2150bq166d93d39ba7805e@mail.gmail.com> References: <242851610903010503p25e2150bq166d93d39ba7805e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090302032337.GB87399@redhat.com> On Sunday, March 01 2009, Tomeu Vizoso said: > I see that some projects distribute xdelta3 files of their .iso files > and others use rsync, but the .iso we generate with the fedora livecd > tools don't compress almost anything by that. It's because we miss a > switch like --rsyncable somewhere? squashfs, unfortunately, isn't rsync friendly. And since the live images depend on squashfs to fit on a CD, there's not much we can do[1] Jeremy [1] Well, if someone wanted to work on support for making squashfs more rsync friendly, they could -- but that'd need to be done upstream and not in Fedora, per-se. Also, there may be movement to lzma-based compression for squashfs which may or may not help, but I haven't been keeping up with squashfs developments recently From martin.langhoff at gmail.com Mon Mar 2 03:43:54 2009 From: martin.langhoff at gmail.com (Martin Langhoff) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 16:43:54 +1300 Subject: rsync'ing .iso In-Reply-To: <20090302032337.GB87399@redhat.com> References: <242851610903010503p25e2150bq166d93d39ba7805e@mail.gmail.com> <20090302032337.GB87399@redhat.com> Message-ID: <46a038f90903011943y4c3e683gd12f9dc1b47c7701@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 4:23 PM, Jeremy Katz wrote: > On Sunday, March 01 2009, Tomeu Vizoso said: >> I see that some projects distribute xdelta3 files of their .iso files >> and others use rsync, but the .iso we generate with the fedora livecd >> tools don't compress almost anything by that. It's because we miss a >> switch like --rsyncable somewhere? > > squashfs, unfortunately, isn't rsync friendly. ?And since the live > images depend on squashfs to fit on a CD, there's not much we can do[1] ISOs themselves are not rsync friendly, but jigdo does the needed magic. Perhaps squashfs can be tamed with jigdo somehow? cheers, m -- martin.langhoff at gmail.com martin at laptop.org -- School Server Architect - ask interesting questions - don't get distracted with shiny stuff - working code first - http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Martinlanghoff From katzj at redhat.com Mon Mar 2 03:55:53 2009 From: katzj at redhat.com (Jeremy Katz) Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 22:55:53 -0500 Subject: rsync'ing .iso In-Reply-To: <46a038f90903011943y4c3e683gd12f9dc1b47c7701@mail.gmail.com> References: <242851610903010503p25e2150bq166d93d39ba7805e@mail.gmail.com> <20090302032337.GB87399@redhat.com> <46a038f90903011943y4c3e683gd12f9dc1b47c7701@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090302035553.GD87399@redhat.com> On Monday, March 02 2009, Martin Langhoff said: > On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 4:23 PM, Jeremy Katz wrote: > > On Sunday, March 01 2009, Tomeu Vizoso said: > >> I see that some projects distribute xdelta3 files of their .iso files > >> and others use rsync, but the .iso we generate with the fedora livecd > >> tools don't compress almost anything by that. It's because we miss a > >> switch like --rsyncable somewhere? > > > > squashfs, unfortunately, isn't rsync friendly. ?And since the live > > images depend on squashfs to fit on a CD, there's not much we can do[1] > > ISOs themselves are not rsync friendly, but jigdo does the needed > magic. Perhaps squashfs can be tamed with jigdo somehow? ISOs are actually very rsync friendly if you're using a consistent process for creating them. jigdo is more useful for the case of "some of the bits already exist mirrored and you don't want to have to carry around lots of copies of the bits on the mirrors" With the way squashfs works, jigdo really doesn't help at all Jeremy From pbrobinson at gmail.com Mon Mar 2 13:53:13 2009 From: pbrobinson at gmail.com (Peter Robinson) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 14:53:13 +0100 Subject: Fedora on XO Message-ID: <5256d0b0903020553t7bf1fbc0i34242c80119fa0f5@mail.gmail.com> Hi All, Sorry that I've been a bit quite. $DAYJOB has been a lot more hectic than I like and taking a lot longer than usual office hours :( Anyway it looks as if someone might have replaced the broken globe at the end of the tunnel. Anyway I've been looking through greg's list [1] of packages for F11. It looks like there are quite a few that can be taken off the list as they're fixed. Like squeak-vm is now in rawhide [2]. I'm going to go through and add some notes to the page and prepend them with PBR so that the information is in a central location. Oh and I hope to start testing Chris's rawhide builds very shortly. Cheers, Peter [1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/OLPC/Packages_for_F11 [2] http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2009-February/msg01872.html From cjb at laptop.org Mon Mar 2 15:35:21 2009 From: cjb at laptop.org (Chris Ball) Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2009 10:35:21 -0500 Subject: Fedora on XO In-Reply-To: <5256d0b0903020553t7bf1fbc0i34242c80119fa0f5@mail.gmail.com> (Peter Robinson's message of "Mon, 2 Mar 2009 14:53:13 +0100") References: <5256d0b0903020553t7bf1fbc0i34242c80119fa0f5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Peter, > Hi All, Sorry that I've been a bit quite. $DAYJOB has been a lot > more hectic than I like and taking a lot longer than usual office > hours :( No problem, good to hear from you again :) > Anyway I've been looking through greg's list [1] of packages for > F11. It looks like there are quite a few that can be taken off the > list as they're fixed. Like squeak-vm is now in rawhide [2]. I'm > going to go through and add some notes to the page and prepend them > with PBR so that the information is in a central location. Thanks! https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=471623 would be a great thing to work on, too, we could really use the 50MB of disk back. - Chris. -- Chris Ball From pbrobinson at gmail.com Mon Mar 2 16:39:22 2009 From: pbrobinson at gmail.com (Peter Robinson) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 17:39:22 +0100 Subject: Fedora on XO In-Reply-To: References: <5256d0b0903020553t7bf1fbc0i34242c80119fa0f5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5256d0b0903020839hdb47f55m3f88d0981319fa7f@mail.gmail.com> > ? > Hi All, Sorry that I've been a bit quite. $DAYJOB has been a lot > ? > more hectic than I like and taking a lot longer than usual office > ? > hours :( > > No problem, good to hear from you again :) > > ? > Anyway I've been looking through greg's list [1] of packages for > ? > F11. ?It looks like there are quite a few that can be taken off the > ? > list as they're fixed. Like squeak-vm is now in rawhide [2]. I'm > ? > going to go through and add some notes to the page and prepend them > ? > with PBR so that the information is in a central location. > > Thanks! ?https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=471623 would be a > great thing to work on, too, we could really use the 50MB of disk back. That's actually on my ToDo list to get moving on this week :-) I'm going to open a generic bug report against all possible affected packages (same message - like what was done for the split out of gnome-python2* ) and send a mail to fedora-devel. Wait a couple of weeks to see the response then move the packages. We already have the provides in the package. Peter From pbrobinson at gmail.com Mon Mar 2 17:22:04 2009 From: pbrobinson at gmail.com (Peter Robinson) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 18:22:04 +0100 Subject: Fedora on XO In-Reply-To: References: <5256d0b0903020553t7bf1fbc0i34242c80119fa0f5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5256d0b0903020922o36e1556enfc45f3eb6080069c@mail.gmail.com> Hi Chris, > ? > Hi All, Sorry that I've been a bit quite. $DAYJOB has been a lot > ? > more hectic than I like and taking a lot longer than usual office > ? > hours :( > > No problem, good to hear from you again :) BTW your probably the best person to answer whether this bug is still valid or can be closed (I suspect it might be fixed) https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=472695 Cheers, Peter From cjb at laptop.org Mon Mar 2 19:21:19 2009 From: cjb at laptop.org (Chris Ball) Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2009 14:21:19 -0500 Subject: No build today Message-ID: Hi, No build today because livecd-creator has stopped working here: Error creating Live CD : syslinux not installed : no suitable /usr/lib/syslinux/*menu.c32 found Anyone know what's up with that? :) - Chris. -- Chris Ball From cjb at laptop.org Mon Mar 2 20:04:07 2009 From: cjb at laptop.org (Chris Ball) Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2009 15:04:07 -0500 Subject: No build today In-Reply-To: <5256d0b0903021146m35083d9fq50c76b7f39c5a471@mail.gmail.com> (Peter Robinson's message of "Mon, 2 Mar 2009 19:46:54 +0000") References: <5256d0b0903021146m35083d9fq50c76b7f39c5a471@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi, > No, not seen anything. Is it running from a rawhide build or > something like F-10 as the base OS? You do have the syslinux > package installed? Rawhide. Yes, the same build server I've been using up until now, and it hasn't been yum-updated recently. I suspect it's looking for syslinux inside the new root, rather than on the host machine -- maybe that broke in Rawhide recently? - Chris. -- Chris Ball From pbrobinson at gmail.com Mon Mar 2 19:46:54 2009 From: pbrobinson at gmail.com (Peter Robinson) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 19:46:54 +0000 Subject: No build today In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5256d0b0903021146m35083d9fq50c76b7f39c5a471@mail.gmail.com> Hi Chris, > No build today because livecd-creator has stopped working here: > > ? Error creating Live CD : syslinux not installed : no suitable > ? /usr/lib/syslinux/*menu.c32 found > > Anyone know what's up with that? ?:) No, not seen anything. Is it running from a rawhide build or something like F-10 as the base OS? You do have the syslinux package installed? Peter From katzj at redhat.com Mon Mar 2 20:31:55 2009 From: katzj at redhat.com (Jeremy Katz) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 15:31:55 -0500 Subject: No build today In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20090302203155.GA88263@redhat.com> On Monday, March 02 2009, Chris Ball said: > No build today because livecd-creator has stopped working here: > > Error creating Live CD : syslinux not installed : no suitable > /usr/lib/syslinux/*menu.c32 found > > Anyone know what's up with that? :) I updated syslinux on Friday, but I'd been building on my machine with the new one for a while I thought. I'll have to take a look, but it might be tomorrow between the fact that I've got my long class this evening and my workstation was powered off over the weekend for some electrical work in Westford (... and then no one went in today due to the snow) Jeremy From martin at martindengler.com Mon Mar 2 22:06:58 2009 From: martin at martindengler.com (Martin Dengler) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 22:06:58 +0000 Subject: No build today In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20090302220658.GE16664@ops-13.xades.com> On Mon, Mar 02, 2009 at 02:21:19PM -0500, Chris Ball wrote: > Hi, > > No build today because livecd-creator has stopped working here: > > Error creating Live CD : syslinux not installed : no suitable > /usr/lib/syslinux/*menu.c32 found Stopped working for me, too, with the exact same error. I'm using F10 x86_64 (building with i386 packages). > - Chris. Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From martin at martindengler.com Mon Mar 2 22:53:24 2009 From: martin at martindengler.com (Martin Dengler) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 22:53:24 +0000 Subject: No build today In-Reply-To: <20090302220658.GE16664@ops-13.xades.com> References: <20090302220658.GE16664@ops-13.xades.com> Message-ID: <20090302225324.GF16664@ops-13.xades.com> On Mon, Mar 02, 2009 at 10:06:58PM +0000, Martin Dengler wrote: > On Mon, Mar 02, 2009 at 02:21:19PM -0500, Chris Ball wrote: > > Hi, > > > > No build today because livecd-creator has stopped working here: > > > > Error creating Live CD : syslinux not installed : no suitable > > /usr/lib/syslinux/*menu.c32 found > > Stopped working for me, too, with the exact same error. I'm using F10 > x86_64 (building with i386 packages). Looks like the location of the syslinux images has changed and /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/imgcreate/live.py doesn't know about it; compare http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/rpminfo?fileStart=100&rpmID=737233&fileOrder=name#filelist vs. http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/rpminfo?fileStart=150&rpmID=1082329&fileOrder=name#filelist I hacked my /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/imgcreate/live.py to also look in /usr/share/syslinux in the two places /usr/lib/syslinux are hardcoded and the problem went away. > > - Chris. > > Martin Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From katzj at redhat.com Tue Mar 3 01:40:30 2009 From: katzj at redhat.com (Jeremy Katz) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 20:40:30 -0500 Subject: No build today In-Reply-To: <20090302225324.GF16664@ops-13.xades.com> References: <20090302220658.GE16664@ops-13.xades.com> <20090302225324.GF16664@ops-13.xades.com> Message-ID: <20090303014029.GA88393@redhat.com> On Monday, March 02 2009, Martin Dengler said: > On Mon, Mar 02, 2009 at 10:06:58PM +0000, Martin Dengler wrote: > > On Mon, Mar 02, 2009 at 02:21:19PM -0500, Chris Ball wrote: > > > No build today because livecd-creator has stopped working here: > > > Error creating Live CD : syslinux not installed : no suitable > > > /usr/lib/syslinux/*menu.c32 found > > > > Stopped working for me, too, with the exact same error. I'm using F10 > > x86_64 (building with i386 packages). > > Looks like the location of the syslinux images has changed and > /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/imgcreate/live.py doesn't know about > it; compare > http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/rpminfo?fileStart=100&rpmID=737233&fileOrder=name#filelist > vs. > http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/rpminfo?fileStart=150&rpmID=1082329&fileOrder=name#filelist > > I hacked my /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/imgcreate/live.py to also > look in /usr/share/syslinux in the two places /usr/lib/syslinux are > hardcoded and the problem went away. That's what I was sort of guessing might have been the culprit, but odd that I wasn't running into it with the syslinux packages last week. Anyway, fix pushed to git Jeremy From sebastian at when.com Tue Mar 3 05:49:04 2009 From: sebastian at when.com (Sebastian Dziallas) Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2009 06:49:04 +0100 Subject: [SoaS-2] Maintainers, please update your packages! Message-ID: <49ACC4D0.9070400@when.com> Hi folks, this concerns Sugar Activity Maintainers, as well as Fedora Package Maintainers, which is also the reason, why it was cross-posted. As you might know, the upcoming release of Sugar 0.84 is scheduled for today. Now, how does this concern Sugar on a Stick? Well, we'd like to be able to provide a stable version with all the latest activities and modules as soon as possible. But for that, we need you help: So. Please go ahead and have your packages updated and built in Koji for F11 by this FRIDAY (2009/03/06)! We've a table comparing the current versions with the ones in Fedora ready (while with the upcoming release, it might still need to be updated, though): http://sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick/Roadmap Please make sure that the information on this page is accurate, too. Finally, if you've any suggestion for a honey activity, which we should definitely include, just add it to the wishlist there! Thanks in advance and looking forward to a great release! ;) --The SoaS Team From lmacken at redhat.com Tue Mar 3 19:34:24 2009 From: lmacken at redhat.com (Luke Macken) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 14:34:24 -0500 Subject: [Sugar-devel][SoaS] Booting SoaS on a PC and on an XO with the same stick (Yes, it can be done) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20090303193424.GA12073@x300> On Tue, Mar 03, 2009 at 01:54:27PM -0500, Ton van Overbeek wrote: [...] > I suggest to update liveusb-creator to have the '-x' option turned on > by default in both the > windows and fedora versions, at least for the one advertised on > http://sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick/Installation. I have no problem enabling --xo mode by default. > The olpc.fth file in liveusb-creator should be fixed (remove the > extraneous backslashes). I fixed this issue in changeset 379c7f825c6348d188a93283e9840c7d783dbd02 a while back, but have yet to push out a new windows release. I will try to spin up a new release this week. luke From martin at martindengler.com Tue Mar 3 22:26:52 2009 From: martin at martindengler.com (Martin Dengler) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 22:26:52 +0000 Subject: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] Booting SoaS on a PC and on an XO with the same stick (Yes, it can be done) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20090303222652.GO16664@ops-13.xades.com> On Tue, Mar 03, 2009 at 01:54:27PM -0500, Ton van Overbeek wrote: > While browsing the liveusb-creator source on > https://fedorahosted.org/liveusb-creator/browser > I noticed that it should be possible to boot SoaS directly on the XO. There are some tools to create a Soas image from either an .iso or just RPMs (well, an F10 system and lots of RPMs, anyway) at http://git.sugarlabs.org/projects/soas/repos/mainline/trees/master ...and some rougher ones (but work for me, on my XO), at my clone (notably, the livecd-iso-to-xo.sh): http://git.sugarlabs.org/projects/soas/repos/mtds-clone/trees/master There are no instructions I know of except: "use the 'build' script" and ask on freenode.net's #sugar IRC channel, but sometimes it's even just useful to know it's been done a few times already. For example, I was interested to know that you did it from Windows. > Ton van Overbeek Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From martin at martindengler.com Tue Mar 3 22:57:33 2009 From: martin at martindengler.com (Martin Dengler) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 22:57:33 +0000 Subject: SoaS on XO bootcharts Message-ID: <20090303225733.GP16664@ops-13.xades.com> For my OLPC/XO-1 laptop these days, I'm using the Sugar-on-a-Stick kickstart files[1]. I want my XO to boot fast, not because I boot it a lot, but because it boots really, really slowly right now. So I installed bootchart, changed olpc.fth to use it, rebooted, and voila, got this chart: http://www.martindengler.com/proj/soas/Soas-200903022241-bootchart.png Then I edited /etc/bootchartd.conf to use process accounting, and got this chart: http://www.martindengler.com/proj/soas/Soas-200903022241-bootchart-psacct.png I booted without my SD card (which isn't the boot device - I'm booting off NAND) inserted, and got this chart: http://www.martindengler.com/proj/soas/Soas-200903022241-bootchart-psacct-nosdcard.png So there's some work to do to fix some SD card badness... Meanwhile, looks like I should get more familiar with rc.sysinit. The data for the above charts are all available at: http://www.martindengler.com/proj/soas I figured some people might be interested in this. Thanks to sdziallas, erikos, marcopg, and the whole SoaS team for their great work. Martin 1. slightly modified to add more personally-interesting RPMs, including bootchart: http://git.sugarlabs.org/projects/soas/repos/mtds-clone/blobs/soas-devxo/soas-developer.ks -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From mikus at bga.com Wed Mar 4 02:50:46 2009 From: mikus at bga.com (Mikus Grinbergs) Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2009 21:50:46 -0500 Subject: 20090303.img does not boot Message-ID: <49ADEC86.10201@bga.com> Installed ('copy-nand') rawhide-xo image 20090303.img on my XO. The boot process (with the 'check' key) stops after the lines: sd 0:0:0:0 Attached scsi generic sg0 type 0 scsi_scan_0 used greatest stack depth: 2212 bytes left [ About 11 lines earlier is the output message: mount: unknown filesystem type ' jffs2' ] mikus From cjb at laptop.org Wed Mar 4 03:23:38 2009 From: cjb at laptop.org (Chris Ball) Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2009 22:23:38 -0500 Subject: 20090303.img does not boot In-Reply-To: <49ADEC86.10201@bga.com> (Mikus Grinbergs's message of "Tue, 03 Mar 2009 21:50:46 -0500") References: <49ADEC86.10201@bga.com> Message-ID: Hi, > mount: unknown filesystem type 'jffs2' Thanks, this'll be fixed tomorrow. The SD fix went into Linus' kernel last night, but didn't make today's Rawhide kernel -- I suspect it will be fixed in tomorrow's build. In other news, our build size grew a lot for no discernible reason. Sebastian's been looking into it. - Chris. -- Chris Ball From martin.langhoff at gmail.com Wed Mar 4 03:32:39 2009 From: martin.langhoff at gmail.com (Martin Langhoff) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 16:32:39 +1300 Subject: 20090303.img does not boot In-Reply-To: References: <49ADEC86.10201@bga.com> Message-ID: <46a038f90903031932j393f3d2bx88a74d458b8d0ab7@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 4:23 PM, Chris Ball wrote: > Thanks, this'll be fixed tomorrow. Will the builders on xs-dev be put back to work? I've posted a few notes to the VIG mailing list, but I have no idea whether anyone's looked at the box... cheers, m -- martin.langhoff at gmail.com martin at laptop.org -- School Server Architect - ask interesting questions - don't get distracted with shiny stuff - working code first - http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Martinlanghoff From cjb at laptop.org Wed Mar 4 03:44:11 2009 From: cjb at laptop.org (Chris Ball) Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2009 22:44:11 -0500 Subject: 20090303.img does not boot In-Reply-To: <46a038f90903031932j393f3d2bx88a74d458b8d0ab7@mail.gmail.com> (Martin Langhoff's message of "Wed, 4 Mar 2009 16:32:39 +1300") References: <49ADEC86.10201@bga.com> <46a038f90903031932j393f3d2bx88a74d458b8d0ab7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Martin, > Will the builders on xs-dev be put back to work? No, they don't have anything to do with these builds. I believe Stefan backed up a bunch of old xs-dev builds, which might mean we're ready to re-enable Joyride -- Stefan, can you comment on what you did? Thanks, - Chris. -- Chris Ball From katzj at redhat.com Wed Mar 4 03:53:01 2009 From: katzj at redhat.com (Jeremy Katz) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 22:53:01 -0500 Subject: 20090303.img does not boot In-Reply-To: References: <49ADEC86.10201@bga.com> Message-ID: <20090304035300.GC96609@redhat.com> On Tuesday, March 03 2009, Chris Ball said: > > mount: unknown filesystem type 'jffs2' > > Thanks, this'll be fixed tomorrow. > > The SD fix went into Linus' kernel last night, but didn't make today's > Rawhide kernel -- I suspect it will be fixed in tomorrow's build. > In other news, our build size grew a lot for no discernible reason. > Sebastian's been looking into it. Some of the scripts I've used in the past for keeping track of various things related to live image size changes are up on fedorapeople http://fedorapeople.org/git/gitweb.cgi?p=katzj/public_git/live-scripts.git;a=summary or to clone directly via git git clone git://fedorapeople.org/~katzj/live-scripts Gives an easy way to just get the manifest from two separate images and then see what the largest changes are from Jeremy From pgf at laptop.org Wed Mar 4 16:04:52 2009 From: pgf at laptop.org (pgf at laptop.org) Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2009 11:04:52 -0500 Subject: [Sugar-devel] SoaS on XO bootcharts In-Reply-To: <7087c32a0903040719u7ccf4715y2d9ccd43fc62450f@mail.gmail.com> References: <20090303225733.GP16664@ops-13.xades.com> <7087c32a0903040719u7ccf4715y2d9ccd43fc62450f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <11144.1236182692@foxharp.boston.ma.us> wade wrote: > These charts are really interesting (and nice looking!). The whole thing > probably requires a lot of analysis to make real gains though. I wonder > what all those calls to 'cat' are in the first chart. I also wonder if it i did some looking, and while i don't think i've found the real culprit, i have found a _lot_ of usage of this idiom in the scripts: [A] cmdline=$(cat /proc/cmdline) or [B] if [ `cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward` != 0 ]; then action $"Disabling IPv4 packet forwarding: " sysctl -w > fi or [C] mfgtag () { cat $MFG_DATA/$1 | tr -d '\000' 2>/dev/null } in every case, the "cat" process is completely unnecessary. if i thought bash was a good idea, i'd point out: $(< file) which returns the contents of "file". but even without bash (which is probably appropriate if you're looking for efficiency), you can do: [A] read cmdline < /proc/cmdline and this, which preserves the look of the code a bit more: [B] firstline() { read __line < $1; echo "$__line" } if [ `firstline /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward` != 0 ]; then action $"Disabling IPv4 packet forwarding: " sysctl -w > fi and finally this: [C] mfgtag () { tr -d '\000' < $MFG_DATA/$1 2>/dev/null } or even: [C] mfgtag () { tr -d '\000' $MFG_DATA/$1 2>/dev/null } the shell is really pretty fast, if you can keep the number for spawned processes to a minimum. paul =--------------------- paul fox, pgf at laptop.org From martin at martindengler.com Wed Mar 4 16:08:30 2009 From: martin at martindengler.com (Martin Dengler) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 16:08:30 +0000 Subject: [Sugar-devel] SoaS on XO bootcharts In-Reply-To: <7087c32a0903040719u7ccf4715y2d9ccd43fc62450f@mail.gmail.com> References: <20090303225733.GP16664@ops-13.xades.com> <7087c32a0903040719u7ccf4715y2d9ccd43fc62450f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090304160830.GU16664@ops-13.xades.com> On Wed, Mar 04, 2009 at 10:19:08AM -0500, Wade Brainerd wrote: > These charts are really interesting (and nice looking!). The whole thing > probably requires a lot of analysis to make real gains though. I wonder > what all those calls to 'cat' are in the first chart. I think the first two charts are disasters because booting is quite slow / contended due to the SD problem. cat is being used by bootchart to get as procfs (IIRC), which is why it goes away when bootchart switches to use process accounting. > I also wonder if it would be possible to defer network > initialization until after the GUI comes up. That's a fine idea. > Does anyone know if SoaS uses JFFS2 compression? For the XO nand images, it does. > Also, I finally got around to posting my initscripts. Thanks very much. > Regards, > Wade Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From cjb at laptop.org Wed Mar 4 18:34:04 2009 From: cjb at laptop.org (Chris Ball) Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2009 13:34:04 -0500 Subject: 20090304 daily build Message-ID: http://dev.laptop.org/~cjb/rawhide-xo/20090304/ If we're particularly lucky, this build boots successfully from both NAND and SD. Can someone try to disprove this hypothesis? :) - Chris. -- Chris Ball From gary at garycmartin.com Wed Mar 4 20:00:17 2009 From: gary at garycmartin.com (Gary C Martin) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 20:00:17 +0000 Subject: 20090304 daily build In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <25A4E222-C543-4852-959B-37CF8804807B@garycmartin.com> On 4 Mar 2009, at 18:34, Chris Ball wrote: > http://dev.laptop.org/~cjb/rawhide-xo/20090304/ > > If we're particularly lucky, this build boots successfully from both > NAND and SD. Can someone try to disprove this hypothesis? :) Sorry no luck booting to Sugar here (from XO NAND), but the jffs2 is not the error now. After what looks like a good console boot, the console starts flicking back and forth to an blank console. Stops flicking back and forth after a while and you can switch to a login console, but no GUI. --Gary > - Chris. > -- > Chris Ball > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-olpc-list mailing list > Fedora-olpc-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-olpc-list From cjb at laptop.org Wed Mar 4 22:28:52 2009 From: cjb at laptop.org (Chris Ball) Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2009 17:28:52 -0500 Subject: 20090304 daily build In-Reply-To: <25A4E222-C543-4852-959B-37CF8804807B@garycmartin.com> (Gary C. Martin's message of "Wed, 4 Mar 2009 20:00:17 +0000") References: <25A4E222-C543-4852-959B-37CF8804807B@garycmartin.com> Message-ID: Hi Gary, > Sorry no luck booting to Sugar here (from XO NAND), but the jffs2 > is not the error now. After what looks like a good console boot, > the console starts flicking back and forth to an blank > console. Stops flicking back and forth after a while and you can > switch to a login console, but no GUI. Thanks. Fedora's latest X server package is broken on XO; we're working on a fix now. The good news is that NAND and SD both "boot" now. .. and the fixed X package is available. If you want working X today, you can: # rpm -Uvh 'http://kojipkgs.fedoraproject.org/packages/xorg-x11-server/1.6.0/6.fc11/i586/xorg-x11-server-common-1.6.0-6.fc11.i586.rpm' # rpm -ivh 'http://kojipkgs.fedoraproject.org/packages/fedora-setup-keyboard/0.3/2.fc11/i586/fedora-setup-keyboard-debuginfo-0.3-2.fc11.i586.rpm' # rpm -Uvh 'http://kojipkgs.fedoraproject.org/packages/xorg-x11-server/1.6.0/6.fc11/i586/xorg-x11-server-Xorg-1.6.0-6.fc11.i586.rpm' .. all of which brings us to another new problem, which is that gdm doesn't seem to be working properly. Will file a bug. - Chris. -- Chris Ball From gary at garycmartin.com Thu Mar 5 02:04:29 2009 From: gary at garycmartin.com (Gary C Martin) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 02:04:29 +0000 Subject: 20090304 daily build In-Reply-To: References: <25A4E222-C543-4852-959B-37CF8804807B@garycmartin.com> Message-ID: <611C1F3B-3AB6-49CB-96D4-FC3575970E0C@garycmartin.com> On 4 Mar 2009, at 22:28, Chris Ball wrote: > Hi Gary, > >> Sorry no luck booting to Sugar here (from XO NAND), but the jffs2 >> is not the error now. After what looks like a good console boot, >> the console starts flicking back and forth to an blank >> console. Stops flicking back and forth after a while and you can >> switch to a login console, but no GUI. > > Thanks. Fedora's latest X server package is broken on XO; we're > working > on a fix now. The good news is that NAND and SD both "boot" now. > > .. and the fixed X package is available. If you want working X today, > you can: > > # rpm -Uvh 'http://kojipkgs.fedoraproject.org/packages/xorg-x11-server/1.6.0/6.fc11/i586/xorg-x11-server-common-1.6.0-6.fc11.i586.rpm' > # rpm -ivh 'http://kojipkgs.fedoraproject.org/packages/fedora-setup-keyboard/0.3/2.fc11/i586/fedora-setup-keyboard-debuginfo-0.3-2.fc11.i586.rpm' > # rpm -Uvh 'http://kojipkgs.fedoraproject.org/packages/xorg-x11-server/1.6.0/6.fc11/i586/xorg-x11-server-Xorg-1.6.0-6.fc11.i586.rpm' Fab thanks, FWIW, before I could get xorg-x11-server to upgrade, I also needed: rpm -ivh 'http://kojipkgs.fedoraproject.org/packages/fedora-setup-keyboard/0.3/2.fc11/i586/fedora-setup-keyboard-0.3-2.fc11.i586.rpm' > .. all of which brings us to another new problem, which is that gdm > doesn't seem to be working properly. Will file a bug. :-) Yea it's now booting into gdm, but going back to console, and back to gdm, and back to console, and... If you're quick you can just about catch a dialogue and get it into a GNOME desktop, but I haven't made it into a Sugar desktop yet as I can't see the session manager pop-up). But thanks for getting me a little further :-) --Gary > - Chris. > -- > Chris Ball From pgf at laptop.org Thu Mar 5 02:11:32 2009 From: pgf at laptop.org (pgf at laptop.org) Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2009 21:11:32 -0500 Subject: [Sugar-devel] SoaS on XO bootcharts In-Reply-To: <23e2e54b0903041754m2f3ba11bs5860c8c34b076268@mail.gmail.com> References: <20090303225733.GP16664@ops-13.xades.com> <7087c32a0903040719u7ccf4715y2d9ccd43fc62450f@mail.gmail.com> <11144.1236182692@foxharp.boston.ma.us> <23e2e54b0903041754m2f3ba11bs5860c8c34b076268@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7990.1236219092@foxharp.boston.ma.us> bobby wrote: > On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 11:04 AM, wrote: > > the shell is really pretty fast, if you can keep the number for > > spawned processes to a minimum. > > this sounds like a super headache to get upstream, but with a possibly > significant payoff. are the scripts you're talking about the ones in > /etc/init.d/ ? it could be interesting to 'correct' the scripts and > see what the performance difference is. now that it's been pointed out that most of the cat processes were from bootchart itself, i highly doubt there will be significant payoff. but every little bit counts, and if other changes were being made, one might as well do those too. paul =--------------------- paul fox, pgf at laptop.org From cjb at laptop.org Thu Mar 5 03:30:52 2009 From: cjb at laptop.org (Chris Ball) Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2009 22:30:52 -0500 Subject: 20090304 daily build In-Reply-To: <611C1F3B-3AB6-49CB-96D4-FC3575970E0C@garycmartin.com> (Gary C. Martin's message of "Thu, 5 Mar 2009 02:04:29 +0000") References: <25A4E222-C543-4852-959B-37CF8804807B@garycmartin.com> <611C1F3B-3AB6-49CB-96D4-FC3575970E0C@garycmartin.com> Message-ID: Hi Gary, > Yea it's now booting into gdm, but going back to console, and back > to gdm, and back to console, and... If you're quick you can just > about catch a dialogue and get it into a GNOME desktop, but I > haven't made it into a Sugar desktop yet as I can't see the session > manager pop-up). There's a fixed gdm built now: http://kojipkgs.fedoraproject.org/packages/gdm/2.25.2/10.fc11/i586/gdm-2.25.2-10.fc11.i586.rpm All of these fixes should be in tomorrow's image. - Chris. -- Chris Ball From gary at garycmartin.com Thu Mar 5 04:14:18 2009 From: gary at garycmartin.com (Gary C Martin) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 04:14:18 +0000 Subject: 20090304 daily build In-Reply-To: References: <25A4E222-C543-4852-959B-37CF8804807B@garycmartin.com> <611C1F3B-3AB6-49CB-96D4-FC3575970E0C@garycmartin.com> Message-ID: <5A16465B-6B35-4572-8E54-0C54E728459D@garycmartin.com> On 5 Mar 2009, at 03:30, Chris Ball wrote: > Hi Gary, > >> Yea it's now booting into gdm, but going back to console, and back >> to gdm, and back to console, and... If you're quick you can just >> about catch a dialogue and get it into a GNOME desktop, but I >> haven't made it into a Sugar desktop yet as I can't see the session >> manager pop-up). > > There's a fixed gdm built now: > > http://kojipkgs.fedoraproject.org/packages/gdm/2.25.2/10.fc11/i586/gdm-2.25.2-10.fc11.i586.rpm > > All of these fixes should be in tomorrow's image. Thanks, I did apply the rpm and can now smoothly get to GNOME desktop, but no luck with picking Sugar for the session. I see the session pop- up menu briefly appear in the bottom tray after I click to login as liveuser, and then it's gone (I was hoping to find a way to change the default desktop session from within GNOME desktop, but my google skills failed me this time). I'll wait for tomorrows new image and give it a clean try, I've could have messed something up. --Gary > - Chris. > -- > Chris Ball From martin.langhoff at gmail.com Thu Mar 5 04:15:15 2009 From: martin.langhoff at gmail.com (Martin Langhoff) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 17:15:15 +1300 Subject: [Sugar-devel] SoaS on XO bootcharts In-Reply-To: <7990.1236219092@foxharp.boston.ma.us> References: <20090303225733.GP16664@ops-13.xades.com> <7087c32a0903040719u7ccf4715y2d9ccd43fc62450f@mail.gmail.com> <11144.1236182692@foxharp.boston.ma.us> <23e2e54b0903041754m2f3ba11bs5860c8c34b076268@mail.gmail.com> <7990.1236219092@foxharp.boston.ma.us> Message-ID: <46a038f90903042015u762a0ef1l7d938b240b22d951@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 3:11 PM, wrote: > now that it's been pointed out that most of the cat processes > were from bootchart itself, i highly doubt there will be Heisenbug :-) even then, it does give you fairly good idea of what's up during boot. SoaS is meant to run on any hw out there, and a lot of the optimisations on the XO are because we _know_ what hw we have. Does it make sense to get "skip all this hw poking if it looks like an XO" patch upstream? In fact, this might be something that upstream wants to think about in a generic sense. All the boot-in-5s focus lately is a lot of fun (and great for end-users, I surely want _my_ boxes to boot in 5s), but depends in part on skipping a lot of poking and waiting for hardware. Anyone building a custom Fedora for a netbook will want the same thing we want: a way to declare a "fast path" for known hw. Specially on the netbook segment this can have a huge payoff. (Wonder if Ubuntu doing something like this?) cheers, m -- martin.langhoff at gmail.com martin at laptop.org -- School Server Architect - ask interesting questions - don't get distracted with shiny stuff - working code first - http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Martinlanghoff From pgf at laptop.org Thu Mar 5 04:35:46 2009 From: pgf at laptop.org (pgf at laptop.org) Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2009 23:35:46 -0500 Subject: [Sugar-devel] SoaS on XO bootcharts In-Reply-To: <46a038f90903042015u762a0ef1l7d938b240b22d951@mail.gmail.com> References: <20090303225733.GP16664@ops-13.xades.com> <7087c32a0903040719u7ccf4715y2d9ccd43fc62450f@mail.gmail.com> <11144.1236182692@foxharp.boston.ma.us> <23e2e54b0903041754m2f3ba11bs5860c8c34b076268@mail.gmail.com> <7990.1236219092@foxharp.boston.ma.us> <46a038f90903042015u762a0ef1l7d938b240b22d951@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9239.1236227746@foxharp.boston.ma.us> martin wrote: > In fact, this might be something that upstream wants to think about in > a generic sense. All the boot-in-5s focus lately is a lot of fun (and > great for end-users, I surely want _my_ boxes to boot in 5s), but > depends in part on skipping a lot of poking and waiting for hardware. > > Anyone building a custom Fedora for a netbook will want the same thing > we want: a way to declare a "fast path" for known hw. Specially on the > netbook segment this can have a huge payoff. (Wonder if Ubuntu doing > something like this?) i think the real win won't necessarily be declaring a fast path for known hw, but _remembering_ a fast path for _any_ hardware. i.e., if you've booted 10 times and never found ipv6, and always found the same 3 filesystems in the same partitions, maybe it's time to stop expecting anything else. does udev remember anything from boot to boot? seems like it should if it doesn't. but as you say, there are also a lot of simple cases: most machines have just one network interface, and it runs dhcp -- so once that seems to be true, don't check for anything else. most machines have one fixed disk, etc. paul =--------------------- paul fox, pgf at laptop.org From martin.langhoff at gmail.com Thu Mar 5 04:51:09 2009 From: martin.langhoff at gmail.com (Martin Langhoff) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 17:51:09 +1300 Subject: [Sugar-devel] SoaS on XO bootcharts In-Reply-To: <9239.1236227746@foxharp.boston.ma.us> References: <20090303225733.GP16664@ops-13.xades.com> <7087c32a0903040719u7ccf4715y2d9ccd43fc62450f@mail.gmail.com> <11144.1236182692@foxharp.boston.ma.us> <23e2e54b0903041754m2f3ba11bs5860c8c34b076268@mail.gmail.com> <7990.1236219092@foxharp.boston.ma.us> <46a038f90903042015u762a0ef1l7d938b240b22d951@mail.gmail.com> <9239.1236227746@foxharp.boston.ma.us> Message-ID: <46a038f90903042051p164be98av502cecf44d3b2aec@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 5:35 PM, wrote: > for known hw, but _remembering_ a fast path for _any_ hardware. > i.e., if you've booted 10 times and never found ipv6, and always > found the same 3 filesystems in the same partitions, maybe it's > time to stop expecting anything else. ?does udev remember anything > from boot to boot? ?seems like it should if it doesn't. OTOH, if I tour around the world with my bootable usb stick, I'd want the whole thing to remember stuff keyed on hw :-) udev does remember things -- but that's problematic too. Right now I'm on a bootable usb drive, and a borrowed laptop. Thanks to udev's memory, ifconfig talks about eth2 and wlan3 :-) cheers, m -- martin.langhoff at gmail.com martin at laptop.org -- School Server Architect - ask interesting questions - don't get distracted with shiny stuff - working code first - http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Martinlanghoff From mikus at bga.com Thu Mar 5 05:01:19 2009 From: mikus at bga.com (Mikus Grinbergs) Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2009 00:01:19 -0500 Subject: 20090304 daily build Message-ID: <49AF5C9F.9080802@bga.com> I applied the first set of xorg-x11 rpms, and was able to get quite a lot done by using the text console (in place of Terminal). I do not boot from SD -- but it was nice to be able to again use my "permanent" SD card to hold additional software/data (instead of making do with a "temporary" USB stick). I note that now there are three directories all told which hold (or point to) Activities. Need to figure out where/how I can manually (i.e., not through Journal) install more Activities. [ With 8.2, 'olpc-update' was nice in that it allowed installing a new build without wiping out the existing software in /home/olpc/Activities ] mikus From mikus at bga.com Thu Mar 5 19:58:26 2009 From: mikus at bga.com (Mikus Grinbergs) Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2009 14:58:26 -0500 Subject: 20090304 daily build Message-ID: <49B02EE2.7060809@bga.com> Installed the first 20090305 image. It had the same ("can't start X") problem as the 20090304 image. Though I'm now downloading the second 20090305 image, I don't have any more time today to test - will try again tomorrow. mikus From cjb at laptop.org Thu Mar 5 20:07:54 2009 From: cjb at laptop.org (Chris Ball) Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2009 15:07:54 -0500 Subject: 20090304 daily build In-Reply-To: <49B02EE2.7060809@bga.com> (Mikus Grinbergs's message of "Thu, 05 Mar 2009 14:58:26 -0500") References: <49B02EE2.7060809@bga.com> Message-ID: Hi, > Installed the first 20090305 image. It had the same ("can't start > X") problem as the 20090304 image. It turned out to be identical to the 20090304 image, because today's Rawhide image was delayed being pushed out to the mirrors. I'll post an announcement when we have an image with the right bits in. - Chris. -- Chris Ball From karlie_robinson at webpath.net Thu Mar 5 20:48:53 2009 From: karlie_robinson at webpath.net (Karlie Robinson) Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2009 15:48:53 -0500 Subject: They're talking about us! Message-ID: <49B03AB5.3090608@webpath.net> "Thousands of volunteers around the world offer technical support and training, and serve as translators and programmers." Paragraph 18 at http://www.cnn.com/2009/TECH/03/05/one.laptop.per.child/index.html From cjb at laptop.org Thu Mar 5 21:09:04 2009 From: cjb at laptop.org (Chris Ball) Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2009 16:09:04 -0500 Subject: 20090305 daily build Message-ID: Announcing today's build: http://dev.laptop.org/~cjb/rawhide-xo/20090305/ Highlights: * X and GDM work again * Should boot successfully from SD, USB or NAND * The .img is 116MB smaller than yesterday's, thanks to Sebastian * The bootable.gz image fits on 2GB USB keys/SD cards again I saw something odd when booting this image -- the first GDM launch crashed, then it relaunched itself, and didn't crash after that; I reported this to the GDM maintainer. Also, the ability to choose between Sugar and GNOME in GDM has disappeared, but will be back in tomorrow's build. - Chris. -- Chris Ball From pbrobinson at gmail.com Thu Mar 5 21:13:35 2009 From: pbrobinson at gmail.com (Peter Robinson) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 21:13:35 +0000 Subject: 20090305 daily build In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5256d0b0903051313k18a80b9cw2db8fc233f2af190@mail.gmail.com> > * X and GDM work again > * Should boot successfully from SD, USB or NAND Yay. Well done! > * The .img is 116MB smaller than yesterday's, thanks to Sebastian Dare I ask what contributed to the shrinkage? Was there some dep issues fixed or are there some package forks? Peter From cjb at laptop.org Thu Mar 5 22:44:09 2009 From: cjb at laptop.org (Chris Ball) Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2009 17:44:09 -0500 Subject: 20090305 daily build In-Reply-To: (Chris Ball's message of "Thu, 05 Mar 2009 16:09:04 -0500") References: Message-ID: Hi, > I saw something odd when booting this image -- the first GDM launch > crashed, then it relaunched itself, and didn't crash after that; I > reported this to the GDM maintainer. Also, the ability to choose > between Sugar and GNOME in GDM has disappeared, but will be back in > tomorrow's build. These are both fixed in: http://kojipkgs.fedoraproject.org/packages/gdm/2.25.2/12.fc11/i586/gdm-2.25.2-12.fc11.i586.rpm Some decisions coming up soon: * should we use an overlay for /home? how big? * should we partition the NAND and swap to it? * maybe, at least for NAND, we should be using an installed image rather than a live image? * should the bootable.gz include a swap partition? - Chris. -- Chris Ball From fgrose at gmail.com Thu Mar 5 22:54:33 2009 From: fgrose at gmail.com (Frederick Grose) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 17:54:33 -0500 Subject: Disk partitions? was: 20090305 daily build Message-ID: > > * should we use an overlay for /home? how big? Yes...This would save some heartache for those expecting to preserve Journal items between system upgrades made with the livecd-iso-to-disk script methods. On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 5:44 PM, Chris Ball wrote: > Hi, > > > I saw something odd when booting this image -- the first GDM launch > > crashed, then it relaunched itself, and didn't crash after that; I > > reported this to the GDM maintainer. Also, the ability to choose > > between Sugar and GNOME in GDM has disappeared, but will be back in > > tomorrow's build. > > These are both fixed in: > > > http://kojipkgs.fedoraproject.org/packages/gdm/2.25.2/12.fc11/i586/gdm-2.25.2-12.fc11.i586.rpm > > Some decisions coming up soon: > > * should we partition the NAND and swap to it? > * maybe, at least for NAND, we should be using an installed image rather > than a live image? > * should the bootable.gz include a swap partition? > > - Chris. > -- > Chris Ball > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-olpc-list mailing list > Fedora-olpc-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-olpc-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mikus at bga.com Fri Mar 6 07:39:22 2009 From: mikus at bga.com (Mikus Grinbergs) Date: Fri, 06 Mar 2009 02:39:22 -0500 Subject: 20090305 daily build Message-ID: <49B0D32A.7030707@bga.com> The third 20090305 image, with the gdm rpm applied, brings up sugar. Started Terminal fine (did some customization that I had done with earlier rawhide-xo builds); then went off to 'My settings' and set the timezone (for which I told sugar to restart). From then on, *nothing* I could do (not even reboot) would allow me to launch any Activity - when I tried, that Activity's launch screen would just pulse and pulse forever (did not see anything being logged). mikus From mikus at bga.com Fri Mar 6 08:26:43 2009 From: mikus at bga.com (Mikus Grinbergs) Date: Fri, 06 Mar 2009 03:26:43 -0500 Subject: decisions coming up Message-ID: <49B0DE43.8010404@bga.com> > * should we use an overlay for /home? how big? I have no idea how overlays work. My suggestion would be to somehow preserve /home, such that when a new rawhide .img (i.e., build) gets installed, the previous content of /home is not affected. [For instance, if the user has put a symbolic link into some directory in /home -- that link is still there even when the content of '/' gets changed by the process of installing the new rawhide version.] How big ? The answer depends upon where/how Activities are placed. If I can figure out how to do it, I would put all my Activities on my SD card (*not* affected by rawhide .img installs), and only have symbolic links in /home to where the activity stuff actually resides. [That is, /home could be 10MB or so.] In the current rawhide-xo builds, activity stuff is in /usr/share/sugar (i.e., it *is* affected by rawhide .img installs). If this situation continues, again only symbolic links need to be in /home, which can be quite small. But if Activities themselves were to be placed in /home, then one might have to set aside some 500MB to hold them. > * should we partition the NAND and swap to it? I'm a great believer in swap files. [On my "production" XO (on which I've run 100%-CPU-using background computations) I have an external hard disk with the XO's swap file on it.] But I don't see any reason for the very people who _supply_ the XO to be the ones to supply software which wears out the NAND. My recommendation is to document/make_easy for people to add cheap non-built-in storage to function as a swap file. [I'm particularly thinking of an SD card being used for the XO's swap file.] > * maybe, at least for NAND, we should be using an installed image rather > than a live image? Speaking for myself, I have no interest in "preserving" one system on NAND while "plugging in" a second ("live") system via some other device. [I 'copy-nand' the rawhide-xo .img into NAND, and only then run it.] I have gone out of my way to purchase several XOs, so I can afford to have two XOs for 8.2.1, one XO for rawhide, etc. > * should the bootable.gz include a swap partition? Could somebody please tell me how the bootable.gz gets used ? Does it get loaded into a running workstation, so as to set up a "virtual system" for the purpose of doing testing of rawhide ? Thanks, mikus From sebastian at when.com Fri Mar 6 13:23:51 2009 From: sebastian at when.com (Sebastian Dziallas) Date: Fri, 06 Mar 2009 14:23:51 +0100 Subject: 20090305 daily build In-Reply-To: <5256d0b0903051313k18a80b9cw2db8fc233f2af190@mail.gmail.com> References: <5256d0b0903051313k18a80b9cw2db8fc233f2af190@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49B123E7.50302@when.com> Peter Robinson schrieb: >> * X and GDM work again >> * Should boot successfully from SD, USB or NAND > > Yay. Well done! > >> * The .img is 116MB smaller than yesterday's, thanks to Sebastian > > Dare I ask what contributed to the shrinkage? Was there some dep > issues fixed or are there some package forks? > > Peter Sure... :) Well, we figured that there was some stuff getting pulled in, even though there was almost no need to. So we're now not fetching all the KDE libs anymore, for example. In fact it was more consideration, what could be replaced how and what could be completely dropped. For now, we didn't fork any stuff; though, I'd really like to get this abiword thing sorted out - there's not really a need for all the printing stuff on the XO. --Sebastian From pgf at laptop.org Fri Mar 6 13:39:18 2009 From: pgf at laptop.org (pgf at laptop.org) Date: Fri, 06 Mar 2009 08:39:18 -0500 Subject: decisions (was Re: 20090305 daily build ) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <17172.1236346758@foxharp.boston.ma.us> chris wrote: > > Some decisions coming up soon: > > * should we use an overlay for /home? how big? can you describe what this means? > * should we partition the NAND and swap to it? i think i'm with mikus on this: can we set things up so that a swap partition on SD will be used if discovered? we've talked about compcache forever -- perhaps we could make it easy to enable that, as well? does fedora have compcache support? > * maybe, at least for NAND, we should be using an installed image rather > than a live image? given the performance hit we saw with the live SD images last fall, i'd have to make that an emphatic yes. paul =--------------------- paul fox, pgf at laptop.org From pbrobinson at gmail.com Fri Mar 6 14:17:30 2009 From: pbrobinson at gmail.com (Peter Robinson) Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 14:17:30 +0000 Subject: 20090305 daily build In-Reply-To: <49B123E7.50302@when.com> References: <5256d0b0903051313k18a80b9cw2db8fc233f2af190@mail.gmail.com> <49B123E7.50302@when.com> Message-ID: <5256d0b0903060617y46906db1r7a7a1a6aeb4d1a0f@mail.gmail.com> >>> * X and GDM work again >>> * Should boot successfully from SD, USB or NAND >> >> Yay. Well done! >> >>> * The .img is 116MB smaller than yesterday's, thanks to Sebastian >> >> Dare I ask what contributed to the shrinkage? Was there some dep >> issues fixed or are there some package forks? >> >> Peter > > Sure... :) > > Well, we figured that there was some stuff getting pulled in, even though > there was almost no need to. So we're now not fetching all the KDE libs > anymore, for example. In fact it was more consideration, what could be > replaced how and what could be completely dropped. For now, we didn't fork > any stuff; though, I'd really like to get this abiword thing sorted out - > there's not really a need for all the printing stuff on the XO. I'm hoping to get an image running on my XO on the weekend as well as something running in a VM (earier to work on things like dep testing on my real laptop rather than carrying two around) and start to look closely at all the deps etc. The abiword bit should be somewhat massively improved with 2.7/2.8 as it should drop a whole lot of old deps and move to GtkPrint api which would mean there wouldn't be any extra deps for printing. Unfortunately I don't think there will be anything in the F11 timeframe so that will prob be a F12 one. Interesting about the kde deps though :-D Peter From cjb at laptop.org Fri Mar 6 20:12:40 2009 From: cjb at laptop.org (Chris Ball) Date: Fri, 06 Mar 2009 15:12:40 -0500 Subject: 20090306 daily build Message-ID: Hi, http://dev.laptop.org/~cjb/rawhide-xo/20090306/ Today's build contains the fixed GDM package. - Chris. -- Chris Ball From mikus at bga.com Sat Mar 7 00:50:29 2009 From: mikus at bga.com (Mikus Grinbergs) Date: Fri, 06 Mar 2009 19:50:29 -0500 Subject: Activities for Sugar Message-ID: <49B1C4D5.6080906@bga.com> Running 20090306.img on my XO. After much trial-and-error figured out how to manually *add* external (persisting) Activities to sugar. [The "normal" locations -- /home/liveuser/Activities and /usr/share/sugar/activities -- get wiped out when I install another xxx.img] The trick is to put into /home/liveuser/Activities a symbolic link to the (upper-level) directory which contains the individual Activity (sub)directories, and also to put into /home/liveuser/Activities a symbolic link for each individual added Activity's (sub)directory. [Now when I install a new xxx.img, all I have to do is to manually re-insert the symbolic links.] At present I'm waiting for additional sugar packages to be ported to rawhide -- for instance, the Read Activity depends upon package 'sugar-evince-python'. I expect there are other packages which need to be ported to rawhide (etoys?). mikus From gary at garycmartin.com Sat Mar 7 03:50:23 2009 From: gary at garycmartin.com (Gary C Martin) Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 03:50:23 +0000 Subject: 20090306 daily build In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <68464D6A-DCB5-4115-B7CB-057A77D7C766@garycmartin.com> On 6 Mar 2009, at 20:12, Chris Ball wrote: > Hi, > > http://dev.laptop.org/~cjb/rawhide-xo/20090306/ > > Today's build contains the fixed GDM package. Fab, installed, booted, and working well here :-) --Gary > - Chris. > -- > Chris Ball > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-olpc-list mailing list > Fedora-olpc-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-olpc-list From mikus at bga.com Sat Mar 7 12:35:41 2009 From: mikus at bga.com (Mikus Grinbergs) Date: Sat, 07 Mar 2009 07:35:41 -0500 Subject: Neighborhood View follies Message-ID: <49B26A1D.20307@bga.com> Running 20090306.img (as Sugar) on my XO. After manually starting the mesh, was able to (from the rawhide XO) comfortably transfer files from another XO, and log in to that other XO, over the mesh. But because the current software does not 'recognize' the presence of other XOs on the mesh (i.e., in Neighborhood View), was unable to use the Sugar collaboration facilities (e.g., Chat) between the XOs. mikus From cjb at laptop.org Sat Mar 7 14:51:07 2009 From: cjb at laptop.org (Chris Ball) Date: Sat, 07 Mar 2009 09:51:07 -0500 Subject: Neighborhood View follies In-Reply-To: <49B26A1D.20307@bga.com> (Mikus Grinbergs's message of "Sat, 07 Mar 2009 07:35:41 -0500") References: <49B26A1D.20307@bga.com> Message-ID: Hi, > But because the current software does not 'recognize' the presence > of other XOs on the mesh (i.e., in Neighborhood View), was unable > to use the Sugar collaboration facilities (e.g., Chat) between the > XOs. Yes, Sugar 0.84 no longer supports the mesh. - Chris. -- Chris Ball From scott at swdouglass.com Sat Mar 7 15:14:39 2009 From: scott at swdouglass.com (Scott Douglass) Date: Sat, 07 Mar 2009 10:14:39 -0500 Subject: using rawhide XO Message-ID: <1236438879.3578.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hi, Rawhide on XO is shaping up nicely, and as a multiple G1G1 owner I'm happy to see that there is a future for my machines! Here are steps I took to make it more fun: 1. remove all the "live cd" functions I install the Rawhide images to NAND and have an SD card with a couple of partitions, one is for swap and one is for my OLPC data (including /security/develop.sig) Since the NAND is read/write, no need for the live system overlay and all the loopback mounts. Disabling this speeds up the startup/boot process dramatically. chkconfig livesys off chkconfig livesys-late off remove the /etc/gdm/custom.conf to prevent the timed auto login using the liveuser. I changed the liveuser from /etc/passwd and /etc/group to have my regular username and set passwords for both my account and root Edit out some things from /boot/olpc.fth as well such as console on serial port etc. I am using: root=mtd0 rootfstype=jffs2 video=lxfb lxfb.mode_option=1200x900 at 51 Now, it's "installed to disk." 2. GDM simple greeter fonts are too big and controls are obscured Login as myself to a GNOME session, set the font DPI in the Appearance control panel (I am happy with 120 DPI) Copy the gconf settings from my home directory to the home directory of the gdm user: sudo cp -r ~scott/.gonf/desktop ~gdm/.gconf sudo chown -R gdm:gdm ~gdm/.gconf the file ~gdm/.gconf/desktop/gnome/font_rendering/%gconf.xml is where you can set the DPI to make the greeter more usable. 3. auto find/use swap partition on SD card One nice thing that the livesys init script did was finding and enabling swap partitions. I took that bit out of the script and added it to /etc/rc.d/rc.local: . /etc/init.d/functions # enable swaps unless requested otherwise swaps=`blkid -t TYPE=swap -o device` if ! strstr "`cat /proc/cmdline`" noswap && [ -n "$swaps" ] ; then for s in $swaps ; do action "Enabling swap partition $s" swapon $s done fi 4. moving the yum cache so there's enough disk space to groupinstall "Development Tools" and XFCE (and of course yum update...) Created a symlink to move /var/cache/yum onto my SD card ShanghaiScott From scott at swdouglass.com Sat Mar 7 15:15:01 2009 From: scott at swdouglass.com (Scott Douglass) Date: Sat, 07 Mar 2009 10:15:01 -0500 Subject: Neighborhood View follies In-Reply-To: <49B26A1D.20307@bga.com> References: <49B26A1D.20307@bga.com> Message-ID: <1236438901.3578.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sat, 2009-03-07 at 07:35 -0500, Mikus Grinbergs wrote: > Running 20090306.img (as Sugar) on my XO. After manually starting > the mesh, was able to (from the rawhide XO) comfortably transfer > files from another XO, and log in to that other XO, over the mesh. > > But because the current software does not 'recognize' the presence > of other XOs on the mesh (i.e., in Neighborhood View), was unable to > use the Sugar collaboration facilities (e.g., Chat) between the XOs. > > mikus Did you notice that all the access points in the neighborhood view had the (o) look to them? For me, all but two show as being "connected". You can get some idea of what I'm talking about from this very blurry picture taken with my phone... https://geneticmail.com/scott/library/olpc/IMG00045.JPG From rms at 1407.org Sat Mar 7 15:17:28 2009 From: rms at 1407.org (Rui Miguel Silva Seabra) Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 15:17:28 +0000 Subject: Neighborhood View follies In-Reply-To: References: <49B26A1D.20307@bga.com> Message-ID: <20090307151728.GA12296@roque.1407.org> On Sat, Mar 07, 2009 at 09:51:07AM -0500, Chris Ball wrote: > Hi, > > > But because the current software does not 'recognize' the presence > > of other XOs on the mesh (i.e., in Neighborhood View), was unable > > to use the Sugar collaboration facilities (e.g., Chat) between the > > XOs. > > Yes, Sugar 0.84 no longer supports the mesh. If I understood the ticket properly, it's more that it doesn't because it doesn't work, I hope someone who knows how to steps up... http://dev.sugarlabs.org/ticket/230 Rui -- Kallisti! Today is Sweetmorn, the 66th day of Chaos in the YOLD 3175 + No matter how much you do, you never do enough -- unknown + Whatever you do will be insignificant, | but it is very important that you do it -- Gandhi + So let's do it...? From cjb at laptop.org Sat Mar 7 15:43:57 2009 From: cjb at laptop.org (Chris Ball) Date: Sat, 07 Mar 2009 10:43:57 -0500 Subject: using rawhide XO In-Reply-To: <1236438879.3578.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> (Scott Douglass's message of "Sat, 07 Mar 2009 10:14:39 -0500") References: <1236438879.3578.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: Hi Scott, > Here are steps I took to make it more fun: > > 1. remove all the "live cd" functions Thanks for this list of tricks. Another option is to conduct a full install from inside the live image with: # yum install anaconda $ liveinst .. as blogged about here: http://kushaldas.in/2009/03/06/how-to-install-soas-on-your-regular-box/ I can imagine producing an image for NAND of a regular install rather than a live image, even if we only do it at release time. Anyone know what the right way to do an automated "liveinst" would be, or another way of achieving the same goal? Can it be scripted at all? - Chris. -- Chris Ball From pbrobinson at gmail.com Sat Mar 7 17:43:59 2009 From: pbrobinson at gmail.com (Peter Robinson) Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 17:43:59 +0000 Subject: using rawhide XO In-Reply-To: References: <1236438879.3578.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <5256d0b0903070943x7ead6c6h8f18d466f461ae9f@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, Mar 7, 2009 at 3:43 PM, Chris Ball wrote: > Hi Scott, > > ? > Here are steps I took to make it more fun: > ? > > ? > 1. remove all the "live cd" functions > > Thanks for this list of tricks. ?Another option is to conduct a full > install from inside the live image with: > > # yum install anaconda > $ liveinst This will actually need "yum install anaconda libselinux-python" for the moment. There's a dep missing, I've filed a bug against anaconda so it should be fixed shortly. Peter From gary at garycmartin.com Sat Mar 7 20:32:24 2009 From: gary at garycmartin.com (Gary C Martin) Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 20:32:24 +0000 Subject: Anyone seeing working salut based collaboration? Message-ID: Just wondering, has anyone has seen working collaboration from the F11 XO builds using salut with an AP (i.e blank out the jabber server name in the network CP and attach a couple of machines to the same access point network)? Have a couple of XO's running the latest images, but they have never seen each other as buddies via salut. FWIW: Using a jabber server does seem to be working ok for buddy neighbourhood visibility (not tested actual collaboration yet), though the default jabber.sugarlabs.org server is currently not responding to port 5222 (I've filed a sl ticket). --Gary From mikus at bga.com Sat Mar 7 20:38:56 2009 From: mikus at bga.com (Mikus Grinbergs) Date: Sat, 07 Mar 2009 15:38:56 -0500 Subject: Neighborhood View follies Message-ID: <49B2DB60.8080702@bga.com> It's one thing to have current Sugar not supporting the mesh. What I think is salt in the wound is that 'iwconfig msh0 mode' is not supported (it defaults to 'Repeater'), but 'iwconfig msh0 channel' *is* supported. mikus From cjb at laptop.org Sat Mar 7 21:29:35 2009 From: cjb at laptop.org (Chris Ball) Date: Sat, 07 Mar 2009 16:29:35 -0500 Subject: Neighborhood View follies In-Reply-To: <49B2DB60.8080702@bga.com> (Mikus Grinbergs's message of "Sat, 07 Mar 2009 15:38:56 -0500") References: <49B2DB60.8080702@bga.com> Message-ID: Hi, > It's one thing to have current Sugar not supporting the mesh. What > I think is salt in the wound is that 'iwconfig msh0 mode' is not > supported (it defaults to 'Repeater'), but 'iwconfig msh0 channel' > *is* supported. I don't understand this message. What are you trying to achieve with "iwconfig msh0 mode"? The eth0 device should be used to set ad-hoc vs. managed mode, because setting those doesn't make sense for a mesh. - Chris. -- Chris Ball From smparrish at shallowcreek.net Sat Mar 7 20:44:50 2009 From: smparrish at shallowcreek.net (Steven M. Parrish) Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 15:44:50 -0500 Subject: Sugar-update-control in Fedora Message-ID: <200903071544.50805.smparrish@shallowcreek.net> Got the final approval on the sugar-update-control package for Fedora. Will be kicking off a rawhide build later today so it should be in tomorrow's rawhide and will definitely make the beta. Steven From sebastian at when.com Sat Mar 7 22:38:11 2009 From: sebastian at when.com (Sebastian Dziallas) Date: Sat, 07 Mar 2009 23:38:11 +0100 Subject: Activities for Sugar In-Reply-To: <49B1C4D5.6080906@bga.com> References: <49B1C4D5.6080906@bga.com> Message-ID: <49B2F753.70305@when.com> Mikus Grinbergs schrieb: > Running 20090306.img on my XO. After much trial-and-error figured out > how to manually *add* external (persisting) Activities to sugar. [The > "normal" locations -- /home/liveuser/Activities and > /usr/share/sugar/activities -- get wiped out when I install another > xxx.img] The trick is to put into /home/liveuser/Activities a symbolic > link to the (upper-level) directory which contains the individual > Activity (sub)directories, and also to put into > /home/liveuser/Activities a symbolic link for each individual added > Activity's (sub)directory. [Now when I install a new xxx.img, all I > have to do is to manually re-insert the symbolic links.] > > At present I'm waiting for additional sugar packages to be ported to > rawhide -- for instance, the Read Activity depends upon package > 'sugar-evince-python'. I expect there are other packages which need to > be ported to rawhide (etoys?). > > mikus Both done! :) Well, in fact, Read has been recently built (thanks to Simon for doing so) and the EToys activity should have been included in the normal etoys package - needs to be tested, though (thanks Gavin for working on this on that short notice!)... --Sebastian From martin at martindengler.com Sat Mar 7 22:49:02 2009 From: martin at martindengler.com (Martin Dengler) Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 22:49:02 +0000 Subject: Neighborhood View follies In-Reply-To: <1236438901.3578.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <49B26A1D.20307@bga.com> <1236438901.3578.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20090307224902.GD16664@ops-13.xades.com> On Sat, Mar 07, 2009 at 10:15:01AM -0500, Scott Douglass wrote: > Did you notice that all the access points in the neighborhood view had > the (o) look to them? For me, all but two show as being "connected". Yes, the Neighborhood view's and frame's wireless icons are confused because of some dbus permissioning issues. I believe that's http://dev.sugarlabs.org/ticket/307 . If you're seeing what I'm seeing you'll also be seeing each access point show up twice in the Neighborhood view. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From mikus at bga.com Sat Mar 7 23:56:07 2009 From: mikus at bga.com (Mikus Grinbergs) Date: Sat, 07 Mar 2009 18:56:07 -0500 Subject: Neighborhood View follies Message-ID: <49B30997.6010706@bga.com> >> It's one thing to have current Sugar not supporting the mesh. What >> I think is salt in the wound is that 'iwconfig msh0 mode' is not >> supported (it defaults to 'Repeater'), but 'iwconfig msh0 channel' >> *is* supported. > > I don't understand this message. What are you trying to achieve with > "iwconfig msh0 mode"? The eth0 device should be used to set ad-hoc > vs. managed mode, because setting those doesn't make sense for a mesh. I know that the same /radio chip/ is used by both mesh and wifi. What is not clear in my mind is how much of the "driver software" (as seen by an user sitting at a console) gets to be shared between the mesh interface ('msh0', which uses one set of radio messaging protocols) and the wifi interface ('eth0', which I suspect uses a different set of radio messaging protocols). My motivation came from reading someplace or other that 'Repeater' mode means "do not originate information" (i.e. only do "relaying"). It seemed odd to me that if I want to facilitate collaboration over 'msh0', then I would have to mess with (setting mode on) 'eth0'. mikus From mikus at bga.com Sun Mar 8 02:33:36 2009 From: mikus at bga.com (Mikus Grinbergs) Date: Sat, 07 Mar 2009 21:33:36 -0500 Subject: Blocker - rpm fails to install files Message-ID: <49B32E80.5020804@bga.com> Just tried to fetch a file from the network. No 'wget' in system. There are a number of packages I add to each newly installed build, including the rpm which gives me 'wget'. In 20090307 my "rpm apply" shows such rpms being installed o.k. -- but the *files* from within the rpm packages never get installed in their target directories. This exact same procedure worked correctly for me with 20090306.img. mikus From cjb at laptop.org Sun Mar 8 02:42:16 2009 From: cjb at laptop.org (Chris Ball) Date: Sat, 07 Mar 2009 21:42:16 -0500 Subject: Blocker - rpm fails to install files In-Reply-To: <49B32E80.5020804@bga.com> (Mikus Grinbergs's message of "Sat, 07 Mar 2009 21:33:36 -0500") References: <49B32E80.5020804@bga.com> Message-ID: Hi, > Just tried to fetch a file from the network. No 'wget' in system. > There are a number of packages I add to each newly installed build, > including the rpm which gives me 'wget'. In 20090307 my "rpm > apply" shows such rpms being installed o.k. -- but the *files* from > within the rpm packages never get installed in their target > directories. That's odd. If it isn't fixed in a few days/images, please look for / file a Fedora bug. - Chris. -- Chris Ball From scott at swdouglass.com Sun Mar 8 02:55:32 2009 From: scott at swdouglass.com (Scott Douglass) Date: Sat, 07 Mar 2009 21:55:32 -0500 Subject: Blocker - rpm fails to install files In-Reply-To: References: <49B32E80.5020804@bga.com> Message-ID: <1236480932.3578.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sat, 2009-03-07 at 21:42 -0500, Chris Ball wrote: > Hi, > > > Just tried to fetch a file from the network. No 'wget' in system. > > There are a number of packages I add to each newly installed build, > > including the rpm which gives me 'wget'. In 20090307 my "rpm > > apply" shows such rpms being installed o.k. -- but the *files* from > > within the rpm packages never get installed in their target > > directories. > > That's odd. If it isn't fixed in a few days/images, please look for / > file a Fedora bug. > > - Chris. I've got 20090304.img as the starting point on my dev XO. I've been using yum update on it for a few days and so far have not seen this issue. I've also used yum to install a ton of other packages (XFCE, all the missing sugar-*.rpm, gcc, kernel-devel, svn, openvpn, various gnome add-ons like seahorse and gconf-editor, firefox...) no problems with the install process. From scott at swdouglass.com Sun Mar 8 03:01:23 2009 From: scott at swdouglass.com (Scott Douglass) Date: Sat, 07 Mar 2009 22:01:23 -0500 Subject: easy questions for Fedora gurus Message-ID: <1236481283.3578.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> 1. when I install new kernel via yum update, do I need to rebuild the initrd-*.img that came with that kernel in order for the /dev/root disk label to be known? Right now, I can't boot any new kernel as the "/dev/root" device specified in olpc.fth can not be found by the new kernel. 2. how do I make the timezone stick? I;ve told the system that I'm using America/New_York, but the system clock is always giving me the time in GMT. The file /etc/syscofing/clock says that it's not used... and the GUI version of system-config-date fails to run on my XO (it starts up, policy kit asks me to authenticate, then it just vanishes...) Thanks, Scott From scott at swdouglass.com Sun Mar 8 03:14:50 2009 From: scott at swdouglass.com (Scott Douglass) Date: Sat, 07 Mar 2009 22:14:50 -0500 Subject: easy questions for Fedora gurus In-Reply-To: <1236481283.3578.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1236481283.3578.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1236482090.3356.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sat, 2009-03-07 at 22:01 -0500, Scott Douglass wrote: > 1. when I install new kernel via yum update, do I need to rebuild the > initrd-*.img that came with that kernel in order for the /dev/root disk > label to be known? Right now, I can't boot any new kernel as the > "/dev/root" device specified in olpc.fth can not be found by the new > kernel. Whoops, meant to write: /dev/root device specified in /etc/fstab, not olpc.fth. From cjb at laptop.org Sun Mar 8 03:26:47 2009 From: cjb at laptop.org (Chris Ball) Date: Sat, 07 Mar 2009 22:26:47 -0500 Subject: easy questions for Fedora gurus In-Reply-To: <1236481283.3578.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> (Scott Douglass's message of "Sat, 07 Mar 2009 22:01:23 -0500") References: <1236481283.3578.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: Hi Scott, > 1. when I install new kernel via yum update, do I need to rebuild > the initrd-*.img that came with that kernel in order for the > /dev/root disk label to be known? Right now, I can't boot any new > kernel as the "/dev/root" device specified in olpc.fth can not be > found by the new kernel. It's because "jffs2" and "cafe_nand" are missing from those initrds. I think if we specified those in /etc/modprobe.conf, they'd be read by mkinitrd at kernel install time and bundled into the initrd. If you put them in that file before installing the new kernel, does that work? (If so, please send us a patch to our kickstart file that writes them there.) - Chris. -- Chris Ball From scott at swdouglass.com Sun Mar 8 03:26:32 2009 From: scott at swdouglass.com (Scott Douglass) Date: Sat, 07 Mar 2009 22:26:32 -0500 Subject: Blocker - rpm fails to install files In-Reply-To: <49B32E80.5020804@bga.com> References: <49B32E80.5020804@bga.com> Message-ID: <1236482792.3356.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sat, 2009-03-07 at 21:33 -0500, Mikus Grinbergs wrote: > Just tried to fetch a file from the network. No 'wget' in system. > > There are a number of packages I add to each newly installed build, > including the rpm which gives me 'wget'. In 20090307 my "rpm apply" > shows such rpms being installed o.k. -- but the *files* from within > the rpm packages never get installed in their target directories. > > This exact same procedure worked correctly for me with 20090306.img. > > mikus Mikus, I just had this happen to me now! So something that was updated in rawhide in the past 24 hours has in fact broken things pretty severely. In my case, the latest update for yum itself appears to be installed, but isn't! I force updated to the same RPM and the same thing happens, RPM installs, but files are not put in place. Arrrgh.. The joy of rawhide. From pgf at laptop.org Sun Mar 8 04:13:20 2009 From: pgf at laptop.org (pgf at laptop.org) Date: Sat, 07 Mar 2009 23:13:20 -0500 Subject: easy questions for Fedora gurus In-Reply-To: <1236481283.3578.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1236481283.3578.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <25836.1236485600@foxharp.boston.ma.us> scott wrote: > 2. how do I make the timezone stick? I;ve told the system that I'm using the magic file is /etc/localtime, which should be a copy of, or a symlink to, an appropriate timezone file from /usr/share/zoneinfo. i'd start my search there. paul > America/New_York, but the system clock is always giving me the time in > GMT. The file /etc/syscofing/clock says that it's not used... and the > GUI version of system-config-date fails to run on my XO (it starts up, > policy kit asks me to authenticate, then it just vanishes...) > > Thanks, > > Scott > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-olpc-list mailing list > Fedora-olpc-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-olpc-list =--------------------- paul fox, pgf at laptop.org From cjb at laptop.org Sun Mar 8 04:48:40 2009 From: cjb at laptop.org (Chris Ball) Date: Sat, 07 Mar 2009 23:48:40 -0500 Subject: Blocker - rpm fails to install files In-Reply-To: <1236482792.3356.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> (Scott Douglass's message of "Sat, 07 Mar 2009 22:26:32 -0500") References: <49B32E80.5020804@bga.com> <1236482792.3356.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: Hi, >> There are a number of packages I add to each newly installed >> build, including the rpm which gives me 'wget'. In 20090307 my >> "rpm apply" shows such rpms being installed o.k. -- but the >> *files* from within the rpm packages never get installed in their >> target directories. > I just had this happen to me now! So something that was updated in > rawhide in the past 24 hours has in fact broken things pretty > severely. In my case, the latest update for yum itself appears to > be installed, but isn't! I force updated to the same RPM and the > same thing happens, RPM installs, but files are not put in place. I just tried to reproduce this on my non-XO laptop running today's Rawhide, but can't. So it doesn't seem like it's affecting everyone, whatever it is. - Chris. -- Chris Ball From mikus at bga.com Sun Mar 8 06:36:36 2009 From: mikus at bga.com (Mikus Grinbergs) Date: Sun, 08 Mar 2009 02:36:36 -0400 Subject: Blocker - rpm fails to install files Message-ID: <49B36774.7020405@bga.com> > I just tried to reproduce this on my non-XO laptop running today's > Rawhide, but can't. So it doesn't seem like it's affecting everyone, > whatever it is. I re-installed 20090306, and 'rpm' now worked correctly. Note that the symptom of this 20090307 problem is that 'rpm' runs normally, and produces all the expected output messages. But (for a package which was *not* previously in the system), while 'rpm -q -l' now lists all the files that were supposed to have been installed by that package -- doing 'ls' shows those files did *not* get inserted into the system. mikus From scott at swdouglass.com Sun Mar 8 09:54:57 2009 From: scott at swdouglass.com (Scott Douglass) Date: Sun, 08 Mar 2009 05:54:57 -0400 Subject: Blocker - rpm fails to install files In-Reply-To: <49B36774.7020405@bga.com> References: <49B36774.7020405@bga.com> Message-ID: <1236506097.18302.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sun, 2009-03-08 at 03:36 -0400, Mikus Grinbergs wrote: > > I just tried to reproduce this on my non-XO laptop running today's > > Rawhide, but can't. So it doesn't seem like it's affecting everyone, > > whatever it is. > > I re-installed 20090306, and 'rpm' now worked correctly. > > Note that the symptom of this 20090307 problem is that 'rpm' runs > normally, and produces all the expected output messages. But (for a > package which was *not* previously in the system), while 'rpm -q -l' > now lists all the files that were supposed to have been installed by > that package -- doing 'ls' shows those files did *not* get inserted > into the system. > > mikus This is definitely a problem with rpm-4.7.0-beta1 that made it into rawhide on March 6. I downgraded in a messy fashion to 4.6.0 and RPM is working as expected. It's messy because with RPM broken, many things are suddenly not easy! Why this should only be affecting XOs, I have no idea, but here is my fix (as I didn't want to reblast my NAND...) 1. extract all the files for the RPMS to a folder on some working system: > for RPM in ../rpm*4.6.0*.rpm; do \ > echo $RPM \ > rpm2cpio $RPM | cpio -miVd \ > done 2. create a tarball of the resulting files > tar cf ../rpm-4.6-files.tar * 3. scp the tarball over to the XO 4. extract the tarball on the XO > cd / > sudo tar xf ~/rpm-4.6-files.tar Back in business. From scott at swdouglass.com Sun Mar 8 11:11:09 2009 From: scott at swdouglass.com (Scott Douglass) Date: Sun, 08 Mar 2009 07:11:09 -0400 Subject: easy questions for Fedora gurus In-Reply-To: References: <1236481283.3578.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1236510669.18302.15.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sat, 2009-03-07 at 22:26 -0500, Chris Ball wrote: > Hi Scott, > > > 1. when I install new kernel via yum update, do I need to rebuild > > the initrd-*.img that came with that kernel in order for the > > /dev/root disk label to be known? Right now, I can't boot any new > > kernel as the "/dev/root" device specified in olpc.fth can not be > > found by the new kernel. > > It's because "jffs2" and "cafe_nand" are missing from those initrds. > I think if we specified those in /etc/modprobe.conf, they'd be read by > mkinitrd at kernel install time and bundled into the initrd. If you > put them in that file before installing the new kernel, does that work? > > (If so, please send us a patch to our kickstart file that writes them > there.) > > - Chris. I added to /etc/modprobe.conf: alias cafe_nand cafe_nand alias jffs2 jffs2 I removed then installed the latest kernel via RPM (after fixing RPM...). The ram disk created is different in size from the one created when /etc/modprobe.conf was empty. I copied the ram disk to /boot/initrdX.img, and copied the kernel to /boot/vmlinuzX I edited /boot/olpc.fth to use these items. Rebooted. Looks good, no error about /dev/root, but stops booting (cursor is flashing, but nothing is happening...) after printing: "input: OLPC HGPK ALPS HGPK as /devices/platform/i8042/serial/input/input2" So, something more is needed I guess. I did try adding a bunch more modules (mtd, reed_solomon, zlib_compress, etc.) in /etc/modprobe.conf and rebuilding the ram disk myself as well. That produced a slightly different in size ram disk but ended up with the same result as above. From scott at swdouglass.com Sun Mar 8 15:07:43 2009 From: scott at swdouglass.com (Scott Douglass) Date: Sun, 08 Mar 2009 11:07:43 -0400 Subject: pretty boot plymouth security Message-ID: <1236524863.18302.26.camel@localhost.localdomain> Two questions and a tip for newbies related to booting rawhide on the XO. Q1 What is the status of "pretty boot" or plymouth in rawhide on XO? Is that supposed to work? It did work when booting F10 off SD card a while back. Q2 A somewhat related question... I have just re-verified that I have disable-security'd my XO in the firmware (reports "No wp tag" which supposedly means no security enabled.) However, when I turn on my XO which has rawhide on the NAND, the XO doesn't appear to do anything. I just get the XO person in the middle of the screen. The only way I can boot is to hit the escape key and type "boot" at the "ok" prompt. I've been sort of just accepting this... but I'm starting to get a bit frustrated. Is there some trick to help the XO boot without my intervention? TIP Just for anyone else who might be playing with rawhide kernels and booting, make a backup of a working /boot/olpc.fth before you do anything you don't fully understand :-) Then at the OK prompt you can rescue yourself by doing: ok editenv boot-device change the nand:\boot\olpc.fth to nand:\boot\olpc.fth.good Save the change and boot. From scott at swdouglass.com Sun Mar 8 15:39:20 2009 From: scott at swdouglass.com (Scott Douglass) Date: Sun, 08 Mar 2009 11:39:20 -0400 Subject: easy questions for Fedora gurus In-Reply-To: <25836.1236485600@foxharp.boston.ma.us> References: <1236481283.3578.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> <25836.1236485600@foxharp.boston.ma.us> Message-ID: <1236526760.18302.32.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sat, 2009-03-07 at 23:13 -0500, pgf at laptop.org wrote: > scott wrote: > > 2. how do I make the timezone stick? I;ve told the system that I'm using > > the magic file is /etc/localtime, which should be a copy of, or a > symlink to, an appropriate timezone file from /usr/share/zoneinfo. > i'd start my search there. > > paul > > > America/New_York, but the system clock is always giving me the time in > > GMT. The file /etc/syscofing/clock says that it's not used... and the > > GUI version of system-config-date fails to run on my XO (it starts up, > > policy kit asks me to authenticate, then it just vanishes...) Paul, thanks for the zone info! The file /etc/localtime was definitely not the same file as /usr/share/zoneinfo/America/New_York. However, the ultimate solution was to use the "hwclock" command. I've never had to use that in years of using RedHat/Fedora Linux because it is invoked by ntpd,ntpdate, and tools for setting the system time. Force the clock to accept it is not in Greenwich (might not be necessary...): > hwclock --localtime Set the date and time to be correct local time using "date", then: > hwclock --systohc My clock is correct after re-booting, yeah! From cjb at laptop.org Sun Mar 8 16:10:25 2009 From: cjb at laptop.org (Chris Ball) Date: Sun, 08 Mar 2009 12:10:25 -0400 Subject: pretty boot plymouth security In-Reply-To: <1236524863.18302.26.camel@localhost.localdomain> (Scott Douglass's message of "Sun, 08 Mar 2009 11:07:43 -0400") References: <1236524863.18302.26.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: Hi Scott, > Q1 What is the status of "pretty boot" or plymouth in rawhide on > XO? Is that supposed to work? It did work when booting F10 off SD > card a while back. It does work when booting from SD or USB, and I'm not sure why it doesn't work booting from NAND. Does anyone have an idea? > The only way I can boot is to hit the escape key and type "boot" at > the "ok" prompt. I've been sort of just accepting this... but I'm > starting to get a bit frustrated. This is also puzzling -- it's because the XO has its own pretty boot, and Fedora doesn't know how to use it. You can turn it off by booting with the "check" game key held down when you power on. There should be a way to turn it off in the olpc.fth file ("unfreeze"), but it doesn't seem to be working, just like the plymouth pretty boot, even though the olpc.fth files we write to NAND and disk seem equivalent. I'll ask our firmware people if they can help us work out why one's working and not the other. Thanks, - Chris. -- Chris Ball From gary at garycmartin.com Sun Mar 8 16:20:08 2009 From: gary at garycmartin.com (Gary C Martin) Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 16:20:08 +0000 Subject: pretty boot plymouth security In-Reply-To: <1236524863.18302.26.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1236524863.18302.26.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On 8 Mar 2009, at 15:07, Scott Douglass wrote: > Two questions and a tip for newbies related to booting rawhide on the > XO. > > Q1 > What is the status of "pretty boot" or plymouth in rawhide on XO? Is > that supposed to work? It did work when booting F10 off SD card a > while > back. > > > Q2 > A somewhat related question... > > I have just re-verified that I have disable-security'd my XO in the > firmware (reports "No wp tag" which supposedly means no security > enabled.) However, when I turn on my XO which has rawhide on the NAND, > the XO doesn't appear to do anything. I just get the XO person in the > middle of the screen. > > The only way I can boot is to hit the escape key and type "boot" at > the > "ok" prompt. I've been sort of just accepting this... but I'm starting > to get a bit frustrated. > > Is there some trick to help the XO boot without my intervention? I've been holding the tick game pad button at start-up for 'non- pretty' boot mode. IIRC the DCON display freeze trick happens early (to hide some non-user friendly firmware output), and should then be being un-frozen once the pretty boot process gets going, which we don't seem to have at the moment. --Gary > TIP > Just for anyone else who might be playing with rawhide kernels and > booting, make a backup of a working /boot/olpc.fth before you do > anything you don't fully understand :-) > > Then at the OK prompt you can rescue yourself by doing: > > ok editenv boot-device > > change the nand:\boot\olpc.fth to nand:\boot\olpc.fth.good > > Save the change and boot. > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-olpc-list mailing list > Fedora-olpc-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-olpc-list From pbrobinson at gmail.com Sun Mar 8 17:48:52 2009 From: pbrobinson at gmail.com (Peter Robinson) Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 17:48:52 +0000 Subject: pretty boot plymouth security In-Reply-To: References: <1236524863.18302.26.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <5256d0b0903081048y44bccc2r7cd488bad997fd76@mail.gmail.com> Hi Chris, > ? > Q1 What is the status of "pretty boot" or plymouth in rawhide on > ? > XO? Is that supposed to work? It did work when booting F10 off SD > ? > card a while back. > > It does work when booting from SD or USB, and I'm not sure why it > doesn't work booting from NAND. ?Does anyone have an idea? I believe there needs to be a vga= option in the kernel boot line to set a mode. Is there one for the kernel boot in either of your SD/USB? Peter From pgf at laptop.org Sun Mar 8 17:52:25 2009 From: pgf at laptop.org (pgf at laptop.org) Date: Sun, 08 Mar 2009 13:52:25 -0400 Subject: pretty boot plymouth security In-Reply-To: <5256d0b0903081048y44bccc2r7cd488bad997fd76@mail.gmail.com> References: <1236524863.18302.26.camel@localhost.localdomain> <5256d0b0903081048y44bccc2r7cd488bad997fd76@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2855.1236534745@foxharp.boston.ma.us> peter wrote: > Hi Chris, > > > ? > Q1 What is the status of "pretty boot" or plymouth in rawhide on > > ? > XO? Is that supposed to work? It did work when booting F10 off SD > > ? > card a while back. > > > > It does work when booting from SD or USB, and I'm not sure why it > > doesn't work booting from NAND. ?Does anyone have an idea? > > I believe there needs to be a vga= option in the kernel boot line to > set a mode. Is there one for the kernel boot in either of your SD/USB? are there plans to package OLPC's bootanim for fedora, to allow bundling it instead of plymouth? is plymouth replaceable in fedora? paul =--------------------- paul fox, pgf at laptop.org From pbrobinson at gmail.com Sun Mar 8 17:54:18 2009 From: pbrobinson at gmail.com (Peter Robinson) Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 17:54:18 +0000 Subject: pretty boot plymouth security In-Reply-To: <2855.1236534745@foxharp.boston.ma.us> References: <1236524863.18302.26.camel@localhost.localdomain> <5256d0b0903081048y44bccc2r7cd488bad997fd76@mail.gmail.com> <2855.1236534745@foxharp.boston.ma.us> Message-ID: <5256d0b0903081054s44a4ca92y59291bf780be2c33@mail.gmail.com> > ?> > ? > Q1 What is the status of "pretty boot" or plymouth in rawhide on > ?> > ? > XO? Is that supposed to work? It did work when booting F10 off SD > ?> > ? > card a while back. > ?> > > ?> > It does work when booting from SD or USB, and I'm not sure why it > ?> > doesn't work booting from NAND. ?Does anyone have an idea? > ?> > ?> I believe there needs to be a vga= option in the kernel boot line to > ?> set a mode. Is there one for the kernel boot in either of your SD/USB? > > are there plans to package OLPC's bootanim for fedora, to allow > bundling it instead of plymouth? ?is plymouth replaceable in fedora? I don't believe its easy to replace as I think it does some things other than just show pretty pictures but it does have a plugin so it would be possible to have plymouth display the OLPC bootanim. Peter From cjb at laptop.org Sun Mar 8 17:59:59 2009 From: cjb at laptop.org (Chris Ball) Date: Sun, 08 Mar 2009 13:59:59 -0400 Subject: pretty boot plymouth security In-Reply-To: <5256d0b0903081048y44bccc2r7cd488bad997fd76@mail.gmail.com> (Peter Robinson's message of "Sun, 8 Mar 2009 17:48:52 +0000") References: <1236524863.18302.26.camel@localhost.localdomain> <5256d0b0903081048y44bccc2r7cd488bad997fd76@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Peter, > I believe there needs to be a vga= option in the kernel boot line > to set a mode. Is there one for the kernel boot in either of your > SD/USB? We don't use VGA on the XO, so there's no such line. Here's what we do on SD/USB: root=UUID=4529-5717 rootfstype=vfat ro liveimg quiet rhgb reset_overlay and NAND: root=mtd0 rootfstype=jffs2 liveimg console=tty0 console=ttyS0,115200 quiet rhgb fbcon=font:SUN12x22" Oh, maybe the console=tty0 is stopping plymouth from working. Doesn't explain the failure to unfreeze OFW, but I'll take the console=tty0 and fbcon out for today's jffs2 image and see what happens. - Chris. -- Chris Ball From lmacken at redhat.com Mon Mar 9 13:42:02 2009 From: lmacken at redhat.com (Luke Macken) Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 09:42:02 -0400 Subject: [Sugar-devel][SoaS] Booting SoaS on a PC and on an XO with the same stick (Yes, it can be done) In-Reply-To: References: <20090303193424.GA12073@x300> Message-ID: <20090309134202.GC31844@x300> On Tue, Mar 03, 2009 at 04:32:46PM -0500, Ton van Overbeek wrote: > On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 2:34 PM, Luke Macken wrote: > > On Tue, Mar 03, 2009 at 01:54:27PM -0500, Ton van Overbeek wrote: > > [...] > >> I suggest to update liveusb-creator to have the '-x' option turned on > >> by default in both the > >> windows and fedora versions, at least for the one ?advertised on > >> http://sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick/Installation. > > > > I have no problem enabling --xo mode by default. > > > >> The olpc.fth file in liveusb-creator should be fixed (remove the > >> extraneous backslashes). > > > > I fixed this issue in changeset 379c7f825c6348d188a93283e9840c7d783dbd02 > > a while back, but have yet to push out a new windows release. ?I will > > try to spin up a new release this week. > > > > luke > > Looking forward to it. Thanks for the quick reply. I released version 3.6 of the liveusb-creator last night, which enables XO support by default, and fixes the typo in the olpc.fth boot file. http://liveusb-creator.fedorahosted.org Cheers, luke From dsd at laptop.org Mon Mar 9 13:54:59 2009 From: dsd at laptop.org (Daniel Drake) Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 09:54:59 -0400 Subject: Anyone seeing working salut based collaboration? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <818423da0903090654j47a562b8t51a3b61e664e5dd6@mail.gmail.com> 2009/3/7 Gary C Martin : > Just wondering, has anyone has seen working collaboration from the F11 XO > builds using salut with an AP (i.e blank out the jabber server name in the > network CP and attach a couple of machines to the same access point > network)? Have a couple of XO's running the latest images, but they have > never seen each other as buddies via salut. I wouldn't be surprised if libertas multicast is broken in current upstream kernels. At least for the last 2 releases, OLPC have carried non-upstream patches to make this work. http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/7319 Daniel From dsd at laptop.org Mon Mar 9 13:59:29 2009 From: dsd at laptop.org (Daniel Drake) Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 09:59:29 -0400 Subject: Neighborhood View follies In-Reply-To: <49B30997.6010706@bga.com> References: <49B30997.6010706@bga.com> Message-ID: <818423da0903090659v41ad82f3le5909aceef208c6a@mail.gmail.com> 2009/3/7 Mikus Grinbergs : > My motivation came from reading someplace or other that 'Repeater' mode > means "do not originate information" (i.e. only do "relaying"). ?It seemed > odd to me that if I want to facilitate collaboration over 'msh0', then I > would have to mess with (setting mode on) 'eth0'. I think you drew too many conclusions from someplace. If you look in any OLPC OS build you'll see that it has always been listed as repeater. Daniel From dsd at laptop.org Mon Mar 9 14:03:48 2009 From: dsd at laptop.org (Daniel Drake) Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 10:03:48 -0400 Subject: pretty boot plymouth security In-Reply-To: References: <1236524863.18302.26.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <818423da0903090703k2438d42bi31d74ab6cfe01e6@mail.gmail.com> 2009/3/8 Chris Ball : > This is also puzzling -- it's because the XO has its own pretty boot, > and Fedora doesn't know how to use it. ?You can turn it off by booting > with the "check" game key held down when you power on. ?There should be > a way to turn it off in the olpc.fth file ("unfreeze"), but it doesn't > seem to be working, Try "visible" Daniel From dsd at laptop.org Mon Mar 9 13:56:53 2009 From: dsd at laptop.org (Daniel Drake) Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 09:56:53 -0400 Subject: Anyone seeing working salut based collaboration? In-Reply-To: <818423da0903090654j47a562b8t51a3b61e664e5dd6@mail.gmail.com> References: <818423da0903090654j47a562b8t51a3b61e664e5dd6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <818423da0903090656p4827d121l919cf085da67e169@mail.gmail.com> 2009/3/9 Daniel Drake : > I wouldn't be surprised if libertas multicast is broken in current > upstream kernels. At least for the last 2 releases, OLPC have carried > non-upstream patches to make this work. > http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/7319 Oh, maybe not, that bug appears to have only affected the mesh. Still, testing multicast and broadcast would be a sensible first step diagnosis. From fgrose at gmail.com Mon Mar 9 16:33:02 2009 From: fgrose at gmail.com (Frederick Grose) Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 12:33:02 -0400 Subject: [Sugar-devel][SoaS] Booting SoaS on a PC and on an XO with the same stick (Yes, it can be done) In-Reply-To: <20090309134202.GC31844@x300> References: <20090303193424.GA12073@x300> <20090309134202.GC31844@x300> Message-ID: Are there plans to support the persistent-home options in the gui versions? On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 9:42 AM, Luke Macken wrote: > On Tue, Mar 03, 2009 at 04:32:46PM -0500, Ton van Overbeek wrote: > > On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 2:34 PM, Luke Macken wrote: > > > On Tue, Mar 03, 2009 at 01:54:27PM -0500, Ton van Overbeek wrote: > > > [...] > > >> I suggest to update liveusb-creator to have the '-x' option turned on > > >> by default in both the > > >> windows and fedora versions, at least for the one advertised on > > >> http://sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick/Installation. > > > > > > I have no problem enabling --xo mode by default. > > > > > >> The olpc.fth file in liveusb-creator should be fixed (remove the > > >> extraneous backslashes). > > > > > > I fixed this issue in changeset > 379c7f825c6348d188a93283e9840c7d783dbd02 > > > a while back, but have yet to push out a new windows release. I will > > > try to spin up a new release this week. > > > > > > luke > > > > Looking forward to it. Thanks for the quick reply. > > I released version 3.6 of the liveusb-creator last night, which enables > XO support by default, and fixes the typo in the olpc.fth boot file. > > http://liveusb-creator.fedorahosted.org > > Cheers, > > luke > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-olpc-list mailing list > Fedora-olpc-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-olpc-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pgf at laptop.org Mon Mar 9 16:47:01 2009 From: pgf at laptop.org (pgf at laptop.org) Date: Mon, 09 Mar 2009 12:47:01 -0400 Subject: pretty boot plymouth security In-Reply-To: <5256d0b0903081054s44a4ca92y59291bf780be2c33@mail.gmail.com> References: <1236524863.18302.26.camel@localhost.localdomain> <5256d0b0903081048y44bccc2r7cd488bad997fd76@mail.gmail.com> <2855.1236534745@foxharp.boston.ma.us> <5256d0b0903081054s44a4ca92y59291bf780be2c33@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <25232.1236617221@foxharp.boston.ma.us> peter wrote: > > ?> > ? > Q1 What is the status of "pretty boot" or plymouth in rawhide on > > ?> > ? > XO? Is that supposed to work? It did work when booting F10 off SD > > ?> > ? > card a while back. > > ?> > > > ?> > It does work when booting from SD or USB, and I'm not sure why it > > ?> > doesn't work booting from NAND. ?Does anyone have an idea? > > ?> > > ?> I believe there needs to be a vga= option in the kernel boot line to > > ?> set a mode. Is there one for the kernel boot in either of your SD/USB? > > > > are there plans to package OLPC's bootanim for fedora, to allow > > bundling it instead of plymouth? ?is plymouth replaceable in fedora? > > I don't believe its easy to replace as I think it does some things > other than just show pretty pictures but it does have a plugin so it > would be possible to have plymouth display the OLPC bootanim. i'm sure plymouth can do that. it's frustrating that bobby's/mitch's recent speedup to bootanim may end up being of no help to anyone. paul =--------------------- paul fox, pgf at laptop.org From gary at garycmartin.com Mon Mar 9 22:53:30 2009 From: gary at garycmartin.com (Gary C Martin) Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 22:53:30 +0000 Subject: pretty boot plymouth security In-Reply-To: <25232.1236617221@foxharp.boston.ma.us> References: <1236524863.18302.26.camel@localhost.localdomain> <5256d0b0903081048y44bccc2r7cd488bad997fd76@mail.gmail.com> <2855.1236534745@foxharp.boston.ma.us> <5256d0b0903081054s44a4ca92y59291bf780be2c33@mail.gmail.com> <25232.1236617221@foxharp.boston.ma.us> Message-ID: On 9 Mar 2009, at 16:47, pgf at laptop.org wrote: > peter wrote: >>> > > > Q1 What is the status of "pretty boot" or plymouth in >>> rawhide on >>> > > > XO? Is that supposed to work? It did work when booting >>> F10 off SD >>> > > > card a while back. >>> > > >>> > > It does work when booting from SD or USB, and I'm not sure >>> why it >>> > > doesn't work booting from NAND. Does anyone have an idea? >>> > >>> > I believe there needs to be a vga= option in the kernel boot >>> line to >>> > set a mode. Is there one for the kernel boot in either of your >>> SD/USB? >>> >>> are there plans to package OLPC's bootanim for fedora, to allow >>> bundling it instead of plymouth? is plymouth replaceable in fedora? >> >> I don't believe its easy to replace as I think it does some things >> other than just show pretty pictures but it does have a plugin so it >> would be possible to have plymouth display the OLPC bootanim. > > i'm sure plymouth can do that. it's frustrating that > bobby's/mitch's recent speedup to bootanim may end up being of no > help to anyone. Yea :-( But on a positive note, great karma for the effort, and in my book, worth more than a few rounds of drink if they are ever in Edinburgh, UK :-) Will need to test plymouth I guess. All I know about it just now is it's a good make of Gin. --Gary > paul > =--------------------- > paul fox, pgf at laptop.org > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-olpc-list mailing list > Fedora-olpc-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-olpc-list From pbrobinson at gmail.com Tue Mar 10 11:27:48 2009 From: pbrobinson at gmail.com (Peter Robinson) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 11:27:48 +0000 Subject: pretty boot plymouth security In-Reply-To: <25232.1236617221@foxharp.boston.ma.us> References: <1236524863.18302.26.camel@localhost.localdomain> <5256d0b0903081048y44bccc2r7cd488bad997fd76@mail.gmail.com> <2855.1236534745@foxharp.boston.ma.us> <5256d0b0903081054s44a4ca92y59291bf780be2c33@mail.gmail.com> <25232.1236617221@foxharp.boston.ma.us> Message-ID: <5256d0b0903100427s126394d5o1fd60243d163d3ce@mail.gmail.com> > ?> I don't believe its easy to replace as I think it does some things > ?> other than just show pretty pictures but it does have a plugin so it > ?> would be possible to have plymouth display the OLPC bootanim. > > i'm sure plymouth can do that. ?it's frustrating that > bobby's/mitch's recent speedup to bootanim may end up being of no > help to anyone. Yes, its always a pain when that happens, but the knowledge it always useful. I had a bit of a look at the plymouth stuff to see what docs were about for moving the olpc boot animation over to plymouth. Looking at the plymouth-plugin-solar package in F-10 which is the current Fedora pretty boot it looks to be a shared library and some graphics. I presume the library essentially tells plymouth what picture it needs to display where and when. Obviously the advantage of getting this upstream is that its one less package that needs to be maintained going forward. Some links I found that might be of use for those that are interested are: The original F-10 proposal https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/BetterStartup The overview readme in GIT http://cgit.freedesktop.org/plymouth/tree/README Cheers, Peter From cjb at laptop.org Tue Mar 10 22:04:23 2009 From: cjb at laptop.org (Chris Ball) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 18:04:23 -0400 Subject: No build today Message-ID: Hi, We got past all our depsolving problems (thanks, SMParrish!) today, but the live squashfs is full of read errors; it's a generic problem affecting everyone. I'll delete the build so that people don't download it and get disappointed. - Chris. -- Chris Ball From pbrobinson at gmail.com Tue Mar 10 22:09:10 2009 From: pbrobinson at gmail.com (Peter Robinson) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 22:09:10 +0000 Subject: No build today In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5256d0b0903101509h84cbf38n2815729a935273ad@mail.gmail.com> Hi Chris, > We got past all our depsolving problems (thanks, SMParrish!) today, > but the live squashfs is full of read errors; it's a generic problem > affecting everyone. ?I'll delete the build so that people don't download > it and get disappointed. Thanks for the update. I wondered what happened over the last couple of days. Is the build scripted, if so is the log output from the build somewhere like the joyride stuff? Peter From cjb at laptop.org Tue Mar 10 22:14:56 2009 From: cjb at laptop.org (Chris Ball) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 18:14:56 -0400 Subject: No build today In-Reply-To: <5256d0b0903101509h84cbf38n2815729a935273ad@mail.gmail.com> (Peter Robinson's message of "Tue, 10 Mar 2009 22:09:10 +0000") References: <5256d0b0903101509h84cbf38n2815729a935273ad@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Peter, > Thanks for the update. I wondered what happened over the last > couple of days. Is the build scripted, if so is the log output from > the build somewhere like the joyride stuff? It's scripted through the Makefile in fedora-xo.git, but it only uploads something if everything succeeds; in the case of the depsolving errors we had, it doesn't upload. For the moment I don't mind that situation, but would take a patch to the Makefile that uploads a build.log regardless of whether the build succeeds. Thanks, - Chris. -- Chris Ball From smparrish at shallowcreek.net Tue Mar 10 22:43:39 2009 From: smparrish at shallowcreek.net (Steven M. Parrish) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 17:43:39 -0500 Subject: Adding new activities to comps.xml Message-ID: <200903101843.40522.smparrish@shallowcreek.net> We have added quite a few new activiies to Fedora in the past few weeks. As it stands now they are not installed by default when someone does a yum groupinstall "SUGAR Desktop Environment" So the question is do we want them to be installed by default or left to the user to manually install. Here is what I am looking at adding. sugar-update-control sugar-artwork sugar-moon sugar-memorize sugar-speak sugar-distance sugar-implode sugar-connect sugar-help sugar-finance sugar-playgo sugar-xoirc sugar-xomail sugar-clock sugar-read sugar-stopwatch Any comments or issues? Steven From martin at martindengler.com Tue Mar 10 23:46:44 2009 From: martin at martindengler.com (Martin Dengler) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 23:46:44 +0000 Subject: Adding new activities to comps.xml In-Reply-To: <200903101843.40522.smparrish@shallowcreek.net> References: <200903101843.40522.smparrish@shallowcreek.net> Message-ID: <20090310234644.GN16664@ops-13.xades.com> On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 05:43:39PM -0500, Steven M. Parrish wrote: > We have added quite a few new activiies to Fedora in the past few weeks. As > it stands now they are not installed by default when someone does a > > yum groupinstall "SUGAR Desktop Environment" > > So the question is do we want them to be installed by default or left to the > user to manually install. Of the four obvious answers: 1) Add them all 2) Add any/all "Fructose"[1] packages and a "minimal"[2] set 3) Add "minimal"[2] set: sugar-update-control, sugar-help, sugar-read (of what you mentioned was available) 4) Add none ...If I had a vote I'd say +1 to "Fructose" packages + minimal set (my option #2 above). I'm +0 on adding them all. And I would be -1 on not including any, since that's not really appropriate to the audience (if you're not picking packages individually you want someone to give you something useful right away, which sugar without any activities is not). > Steven Martin 1. http://sugarlabs.org/go/Taxonomy#Fructose:_The_set_of_demonstration_activities 2. Cue arguing about what's minimal. PS - thanks for the packaging efforts! -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From scott at swdouglass.com Tue Mar 10 23:58:52 2009 From: scott at swdouglass.com (Scott Douglass) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 19:58:52 -0400 Subject: Adding new activities to comps.xml In-Reply-To: <20090310234644.GN16664@ops-13.xades.com> References: <200903101843.40522.smparrish@shallowcreek.net> <20090310234644.GN16664@ops-13.xades.com> Message-ID: <1236729532.30719.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2009-03-10 at 23:46 +0000, Martin Dengler wrote: > On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 05:43:39PM -0500, Steven M. Parrish wrote: > > We have added quite a few new activiies to Fedora in the past few weeks. As > > it stands now they are not installed by default when someone does a > > > > yum groupinstall "SUGAR Desktop Environment" > > > > So the question is do we want them to be installed by default or left to the > > user to manually install. > > Of the four obvious answers: > > 1) Add them all > 2) Add any/all "Fructose"[1] packages and a "minimal"[2] set > 3) Add "minimal"[2] set: sugar-update-control, sugar-help, sugar-read > (of what you mentioned was available) > 4) Add none > > ...If I had a vote I'd say +1 to "Fructose" packages + minimal set (my > option #2 above). I'm +0 on adding them all. And I would be -1 on > not including any, since that's not really appropriate to the audience > (if you're not picking packages individually you want someone to give > you something useful right away, which sugar without any activities is > not). > > > Steven > > Martin > > 1. http://sugarlabs.org/go/Taxonomy#Fructose:_The_set_of_demonstration_activities > 2. Cue arguing about what's minimal. > > PS - thanks for the packaging efforts! How about we include all of them that actually work? It doesn't appear that xomail works for one... And, how about we include the full set from G1G1 activities? Which includes a few that have not yet been packaged AFAIK. I think when the day comes when it's possible for a person to "upgrade" from OLPC build 767+G1G1 or whatever to F11/12/13... they get at least the applications they used to have. From wadetb at gmail.com Wed Mar 11 00:26:18 2009 From: wadetb at gmail.com (Wade Brainerd) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 20:26:18 -0400 Subject: Adding new activities to comps.xml In-Reply-To: <1236729532.30719.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <200903101843.40522.smparrish@shallowcreek.net> <20090310234644.GN16664@ops-13.xades.com> <1236729532.30719.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <7087c32a0903101726x6596752p547ea35551ecd0e9@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 7:58 PM, Scott Douglass wrote: > On Tue, 2009-03-10 at 23:46 +0000, Martin Dengler wrote: >> On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 05:43:39PM -0500, Steven M. Parrish wrote: >> > We have added quite a few new activiies to Fedora in the past few weeks. ?As >> > it stands now they are not installed by default when someone does a >> > >> > yum groupinstall "SUGAR Desktop Environment" >> > >> > So the question is do we want them to be installed by default or left to the >> > user to manually install. >> >> Of the four obvious answers: >> >> 1) Add them all >> 2) Add any/all "Fructose"[1] packages and a "minimal"[2] set >> 3) Add "minimal"[2] set: sugar-update-control, sugar-help, sugar-read >> (of what you mentioned was available) >> 4) Add none >> >> ...If I had a vote I'd say +1 to "Fructose" packages + minimal set (my >> option #2 above). ?I'm +0 on adding them all. ?And I would be -1 on >> not including any, since that's not really appropriate to the audience >> (if you're not picking packages individually you want someone to give >> you something useful right away, which sugar without any activities is >> not). We have the Fructose activities which are core elements of Sugar and should always be included - Log, Write, Turtle Art, etc. Their sources are located here: http://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/sucrose/fructose/ Then there are the Honey activities which are extra but are also considered stable and high quality. Their sources are here: http://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/honey/ There are still quite a few from the OLPC G1G1 list that are not in these groups yet. We need to contact their maintainers to encourage them to get on the non-OLPC Sugar bandwagon, and in some cases the SugarLabs Activity Team needs to adopt them and package them ourselves...there have been quite a few examples of this already. My recommendation would be to include the Fructose + Honey activities with a "Sugar Desktop Environment" install (why was Sugar capitalized in your example? it's not an acronym). We will do our best to get all the appropriate G1G1 activities into Honey. Having the distributions stick with the Fructose vs Honey level of granularity is probably better than having distributions choosing from individual activities. Better for the ActivityTeam to decide what's stable and have all the distributions get the same stuff. > How about we include all of them that actually work? It doesn't appear > that xomail works for one... Yeah, xomail (now sweetmail) is still more of a prototype than a working activity. It should not be in this list. > I think when the day comes when it's possible for a person to "upgrade" > from OLPC build 767+G1G1 or whatever to F11/12/13... they get at least > the applications they used to have. And many more once they discover activities.sugarlabs.org. Note that one issue still unresolved is the presence of binary blobs within activity bundles. We've had some discussions about how to handle this but at the moment, several activities will only be able to run on x86 Linux. Regards, Wade From smparrish at shallowcreek.net Wed Mar 11 00:37:35 2009 From: smparrish at shallowcreek.net (Steven M. Parrish) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 19:37:35 -0500 Subject: Adding new activities to comps.xml In-Reply-To: <7087c32a0903101726x6596752p547ea35551ecd0e9@mail.gmail.com> References: <200903101843.40522.smparrish@shallowcreek.net> <1236729532.30719.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> <7087c32a0903101726x6596752p547ea35551ecd0e9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200903102037.36235.smparrish@shallowcreek.net> On Tuesday 10 March 2009 20:26:18 Wade Brainerd wrote: > My recommendation would be to include the Fructose + Honey activities > with a "Sugar Desktop Environment" install (why was Sugar capitalized > in your example? it's not an acronym) Only reason I capitalized it was that in Fedora when you do a yum grouplist to show all available groups it shows as SUGAR Desktop Environment I'll correct that Steven From simon at schampijer.de Wed Mar 11 10:01:57 2009 From: simon at schampijer.de (Simon Schampijer) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 11:01:57 +0100 Subject: Adding new activities to comps.xml In-Reply-To: <200903101843.40522.smparrish@shallowcreek.net> References: <200903101843.40522.smparrish@shallowcreek.net> Message-ID: <49B78C15.1090302@schampijer.de> Steven M. Parrish wrote: > We have added quite a few new activiies to Fedora in the past few weeks. As > it stands now they are not installed by default when someone does a > > yum groupinstall "SUGAR Desktop Environment" > > So the question is do we want them to be installed by default or left to the > user to manually install. Here is what I am looking at adding. > > sugar-update-control > sugar-artwork > sugar-moon > sugar-memorize > sugar-speak > sugar-distance > sugar-implode > sugar-connect > sugar-help > sugar-finance > sugar-playgo > sugar-xoirc > sugar-xomail > sugar-clock > sugar-read > sugar-stopwatch > > Any comments or issues? > > Steven I personally would only add the Fructose ones. The others can be downloaded later - via yum or using the addons infrastructure http://activities.sugarlabs.org/en-US/sugar/. I actually think that it does not make much sense to package all the activities. A lot of them are one hit wonders and it will be hard to track down maintainers when one need to make a change. From the list above we only need sugar-read in comps (i just did so). 'sugar-artwork' is the artwork package for sugar and is a dep of sugar. Regards, Simon From simon at schampijer.de Wed Mar 11 10:05:14 2009 From: simon at schampijer.de (Simon Schampijer) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 11:05:14 +0100 Subject: Fedora Sugar Special Interest Group Message-ID: <49B78CDA.5030204@schampijer.de> Hi, I wonder if a Sugar special interest group - similar ti that of KDE http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE might help to coordinate the efforts. What do other people think? Thanks, Simon From pbrobinson at gmail.com Wed Mar 11 10:14:10 2009 From: pbrobinson at gmail.com (Peter Robinson) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 10:14:10 +0000 Subject: Fedora Sugar Special Interest Group In-Reply-To: <49B78CDA.5030204@schampijer.de> References: <49B78CDA.5030204@schampijer.de> Message-ID: <5256d0b0903110314p232d2d72kf92897f70ee45087@mail.gmail.com> Hi Simon, > I wonder if a Sugar special interest group - similar ti that of KDE > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE might help to coordinate the efforts. > > What do other people think? Not sure what extra benefit this would add over a generic OLPC SIG. There's nothing stopping the sugar people using the fedora-olpc list and having wiki pages within the olpc sig. This would keep things closer together so that everyone knows what's going on. Peter From simon at schampijer.de Wed Mar 11 10:23:16 2009 From: simon at schampijer.de (Simon Schampijer) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 11:23:16 +0100 Subject: Fedora Sugar Special Interest Group In-Reply-To: <5256d0b0903110314p232d2d72kf92897f70ee45087@mail.gmail.com> References: <49B78CDA.5030204@schampijer.de> <5256d0b0903110314p232d2d72kf92897f70ee45087@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49B79114.5090204@schampijer.de> Peter Robinson wrote: > Hi Simon, > >> I wonder if a Sugar special interest group - similar ti that of KDE >> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE might help to coordinate the efforts. >> >> What do other people think? > > Not sure what extra benefit this would add over a generic OLPC SIG. > There's nothing stopping the sugar people using the fedora-olpc list > and having wiki pages within the olpc sig. This would keep things > closer together so that everyone knows what's going on. > > Peter Sure, I just came over the KDE sig page and found there packaging instructions etc - and thought it would be good to have an entry point as well. Is there an OLPC SIG namespace http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs ? Thanks, Simon From pbrobinson at gmail.com Wed Mar 11 10:27:12 2009 From: pbrobinson at gmail.com (Peter Robinson) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 10:27:12 +0000 Subject: Fedora Sugar Special Interest Group In-Reply-To: <49B79114.5090204@schampijer.de> References: <49B78CDA.5030204@schampijer.de> <5256d0b0903110314p232d2d72kf92897f70ee45087@mail.gmail.com> <49B79114.5090204@schampijer.de> Message-ID: <5256d0b0903110327h47388f9an79d1c2c423a71c06@mail.gmail.com> >>> I wonder if a Sugar special interest group - similar ti that of KDE >>> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE might help to coordinate the >>> efforts. >>> >>> What do other people think? >> >> Not sure what extra benefit this would add over a generic OLPC SIG. >> There's nothing stopping the sugar people using the fedora-olpc list >> and having wiki pages within the olpc sig. This would keep things >> closer together so that everyone knows what's going on. >> >> Peter > > Sure, I just came over the KDE sig page and found there packaging > instructions etc - and thought it would be good to have an entry point as > well. > > Is there an OLPC SIG namespace http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs ? There an OLPC space here https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/OLPC feel free to add sub pages etc to it, I should probably add a link to it from the SIG page as well. Peter From scott at swdouglass.com Wed Mar 11 13:13:56 2009 From: scott at swdouglass.com (Scott Douglass) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 09:13:56 -0400 Subject: a better way to make XO images Message-ID: <1236777236.3488.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hi, I propose that we use the Fedora virtualization infrastructure to create Rawhide OS images for the XO. It should be simple using a kickstart file and the virtualization tools to create an OS installed on a loopback mounted file that contains a normal ext3 file system. Then, we just mount that file, and use it as the source for the rest of CJB's livecd-iso-to-xo.sh. No live CD cruft at all. No squashfs. Much much cleaner. I'm going to give it a try once I come up with a machine that has enough memory/diskspace for this operation... From pbrobinson at gmail.com Wed Mar 11 13:20:33 2009 From: pbrobinson at gmail.com (Peter Robinson) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 13:20:33 +0000 Subject: a better way to make XO images In-Reply-To: <1236777236.3488.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1236777236.3488.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <5256d0b0903110620y6884734fn7b80b7a00542f1ae@mail.gmail.com> Hi, > I propose that we use the Fedora virtualization infrastructure to create > Rawhide OS images for the XO. > > It should be simple using a kickstart file and the virtualization tools > to create an OS installed on a loopback mounted file that contains a > normal ext3 file system. > > Then, we just mount that file, and use it as the source for the rest of > CJB's livecd-iso-to-xo.sh. > > No live CD cruft at all. No squashfs. Much much cleaner. > > I'm going to give it a try once I come up with a machine that has enough > memory/diskspace for this operation... I've been trying to use the Fedora appliance-tools to do exactly that but it seems to have some issues on F-10 at the moment. Peter From bkearney at redhat.com Wed Mar 11 13:27:08 2009 From: bkearney at redhat.com (Bryan Kearney) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 09:27:08 -0400 Subject: a better way to make XO images In-Reply-To: <5256d0b0903110620y6884734fn7b80b7a00542f1ae@mail.gmail.com> References: <1236777236.3488.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <5256d0b0903110620y6884734fn7b80b7a00542f1ae@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49B7BC2C.9050105@redhat.com> Peter Robinson wrote: > Hi, > >> I propose that we use the Fedora virtualization infrastructure to create >> Rawhide OS images for the XO. >> >> It should be simple using a kickstart file and the virtualization tools >> to create an OS installed on a loopback mounted file that contains a >> normal ext3 file system. >> >> Then, we just mount that file, and use it as the source for the rest of >> CJB's livecd-iso-to-xo.sh. >> >> No live CD cruft at all. No squashfs. Much much cleaner. >> >> I'm going to give it a try once I come up with a machine that has enough >> memory/diskspace for this operation... > > I've been trying to use the Fedora appliance-tools to do exactly that > but it seems to have some issues on F-10 at the moment. What issues have you been having? -- bk From pbrobinson at gmail.com Wed Mar 11 13:34:56 2009 From: pbrobinson at gmail.com (Peter Robinson) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 13:34:56 +0000 Subject: a better way to make XO images In-Reply-To: <49B7BC2C.9050105@redhat.com> References: <1236777236.3488.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <5256d0b0903110620y6884734fn7b80b7a00542f1ae@mail.gmail.com> <49B7BC2C.9050105@redhat.com> Message-ID: <5256d0b0903110634r5c93c0c4k962925d71ac2f1cb@mail.gmail.com> >> I've been trying to use the Fedora appliance-tools to do exactly that >> but it seems to have some issues on F-10 at the moment. > > What issues have you been having? I get the following errors, it then seems to go through the montions OK but I don't seem to get a image. [root at neo ~]# appliance-creator -n OLPC-rawhide --config /home/perobinson/fedora/olpc/olpc-4.ks --cache=/home/images/cache Error: Error informing the kernel about modifications to partition /dev/loop0p1 -- Invalid argument. This means Linux won't know about any changes you made to /dev/loop0p1 until you reboot -- so you shouldn't mount it or use it in any way before rebooting. Warning: The kernel was unable to re-read the partition table on /dev/loop0 (Invalid argument). This means Linux won't know anything about the modifications you made until you reboot. You should reboot your computer before doing anything with /dev/loop0. ['/'] mke2fs 1.41.4 (27-Jan-2009) Filesystem label=/ OS type: Linux Peter From bkearney at redhat.com Wed Mar 11 13:33:20 2009 From: bkearney at redhat.com (Bryan Kearney) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 09:33:20 -0400 Subject: a better way to make XO images In-Reply-To: <5256d0b0903110634r5c93c0c4k962925d71ac2f1cb@mail.gmail.com> References: <1236777236.3488.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <5256d0b0903110620y6884734fn7b80b7a00542f1ae@mail.gmail.com> <49B7BC2C.9050105@redhat.com> <5256d0b0903110634r5c93c0c4k962925d71ac2f1cb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49B7BDA0.3010103@redhat.com> Peter Robinson wrote: >>> I've been trying to use the Fedora appliance-tools to do exactly that >>> but it seems to have some issues on F-10 at the moment. >> What issues have you been having? > > I get the following errors, it then seems to go through the montions > OK but I don't seem to get a image. > > [root at neo ~]# appliance-creator -n OLPC-rawhide --config > /home/perobinson/fedora/olpc/olpc-4.ks --cache=/home/images/cache > Error: Error informing the kernel about modifications to partition > /dev/loop0p1 -- Invalid argument. This means Linux won't know about > any changes you made to /dev/loop0p1 until you reboot -- so you > shouldn't mount it or use it in any way before rebooting. > Warning: The kernel was unable to re-read the partition table on > /dev/loop0 (Invalid argument). This means Linux won't know anything > about the modifications you made until you reboot. You should reboot > your computer before doing anything with /dev/loop0. > ['/'] > mke2fs 1.41.4 (27-Jan-2009) > Filesystem label=/ > OS type: Linux > > Peter Could you send me your ks file? -- bk From pbrobinson at gmail.com Wed Mar 11 13:40:00 2009 From: pbrobinson at gmail.com (Peter Robinson) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 13:40:00 +0000 Subject: a better way to make XO images In-Reply-To: <49B7BDA0.3010103@redhat.com> References: <1236777236.3488.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <5256d0b0903110620y6884734fn7b80b7a00542f1ae@mail.gmail.com> <49B7BC2C.9050105@redhat.com> <5256d0b0903110634r5c93c0c4k962925d71ac2f1cb@mail.gmail.com> <49B7BDA0.3010103@redhat.com> Message-ID: <5256d0b0903110640w3063a225gc514b91ad31d27c8@mail.gmail.com> >>>> I've been trying to use the Fedora appliance-tools to do exactly that >>>> but it seems to have some issues on F-10 at the moment. >>> >>> What issues have you been having? >> >> I get the following errors, it then seems to go through the montions >> OK but I don't seem to get a image. >> >> [root at neo ~]# appliance-creator -n OLPC-rawhide --config >> /home/perobinson/fedora/olpc/olpc-4.ks --cache=/home/images/cache >> Error: Error informing the kernel about modifications to partition >> /dev/loop0p1 -- Invalid argument. ?This means Linux won't know about >> any changes you made to /dev/loop0p1 until you reboot -- so you >> shouldn't mount it or use it in any way before rebooting. >> Warning: The kernel was unable to re-read the partition table on >> /dev/loop0 (Invalid argument). ?This means Linux won't know anything >> about the modifications you made until you reboot. ?You should reboot >> your computer before doing anything with /dev/loop0. >> ['/'] >> mke2fs 1.41.4 (27-Jan-2009) >> Filesystem label=/ >> OS type: Linux >> >> Peter > > Could you send me your ks file? I've tried it with this one that I created a while ago, and with Chris's adding a diskon bit to it. http://pbrobinson.fedorapeople.org/olpc/olpc-4.ks Peter From lmacken at redhat.com Wed Mar 11 19:38:05 2009 From: lmacken at redhat.com (Luke Macken) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 15:38:05 -0400 Subject: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] Booting SoaS on a PC and on an XO with the same stick (Yes, it can be done) In-Reply-To: <49B57864.5030400@comcast.net> References: <20090303193424.GA12073@x300> <20090309134202.GC31844@x300> <49B57864.5030400@comcast.net> Message-ID: <20090311193805.GF3690@x300.redhat.com> On Mon, Mar 09, 2009 at 04:13:24PM -0400, Chris Marshall wrote: > I get the following error log running the > 3.6.1 liveusb-creator just downloaded and > unzipped on winXP: > >> [creator:689] Unable to get GetVolumeInformation: (21, 'GetVolumeInformation', 'The device is not ready.') >> [creator:735] Problem determining free space: (21, 'GetDiskFreeSpace', 'The device is not ready.') >> Traceback (most recent call last): >> File "liveusb-creator", line 75, in >> File "liveusb-creator", line 70, in main >> File "liveusb\gui.pyc", line 54, in __init__ >> File "liveusb\gui.pyc", line 245, in __init__ >> File "liveusb\gui.pyc", line 267, in populate_devices >> File "liveusb\creator.pyc", line 699, in detect_removable_drives >> IndexError: list index out of range > > The previous version downloaded (version 3.2) started > up ok. Unfortunately, I deleted the 3.2 version when > I unzipped the 3.6.1 and cannot fall back since there > does not appear to be a link to the earlier release > at This issue should be resolved with v3.2.3 luke From gary at garycmartin.com Thu Mar 12 04:18:02 2009 From: gary at garycmartin.com (Gary C Martin) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 04:18:02 +0000 Subject: Quick run through of Activities on Soas2-200903061846 Message-ID: Hi folks, I wanted to get an idea for what Activities are actually currently working in a reasonable condition, here's a quick run through using the latest SoaS F11 build ? Tomorrow I'll do the same with a recent F11 build from cjb. A few of these have already been recently fixed at least in git (alsroots json patches), but didn't have .xo to hand to quickly install. Environment: VirtualBoxVM running on an Intel Mac SoaS: Soas2-200903061846 Build: Fedora release 10.91 (Rawhide) Sugar: 0.84.0 Etoys-100: Fails, line 77: exec etoys: not found IRC-5: Fails, no module named ircactivity Maze-6: Fails, No module named pygame Record-59: Fails, 'module' object has no attribute '_sha_data' Scratch-12: exec: /usr/bin/squeak: cannot execute: No such file or directory TamTamEdit-50: Fails, ImportError: libcsound.so.5.1: cannot open shared object files: No such file or directory TamTamJam-51: Fails, ImportError: libcsound.so.5.1: cannot open shared object files: No such file or directory TamTamMini-49: Fails, ImportError: libcsound.so.5.1: cannot open shared object files: No such file or directory TamTamSynthLab-51: Fails, ImportError: libcsound.so.5.1: cannot open shared object files: No such file or directory Measure-21: Fails, no module named numpy (larger issues than just numpy) Speak-9: Fails, No module named numpy.core (larger issues than just numpy) TurtleArt-42: Fails, no module named numpy (OK after yum install numpy, but fails to keep when stopped) Distance-14: Fails, no module named numpy (OK after yum install numpy, didn't test collaboration) Finance-2: OK, but stopping gives keep error (json module) Implode-5: OK, but stopping gives keep error (json module) Moon-9: OK, but stopping gives keep error (json module) Typing Turtle-16: OK, but stopping gives keep error (json module) Browse-105: OK (but URL completion has stopped working) Jukebox-7: OK (but I can't generate any sound, might be a virtual machine issue) Pippy-30: OK (but font issue cause the loss of sidebar, and all run controls) Ruler-3: OK (but clearly most measurements are now useless due to dpi) Analyze-8: OK Calculate-28: OK CartoonBuilder-2: OK Chat-64: OK Image Viewer-6: OK InfoSlicer-3: OK Log-17: OK Paint-23: OK Terminal-23: OK Write-63: OK Regards, --Gary From sebastian at when.com Thu Mar 12 05:39:58 2009 From: sebastian at when.com (Sebastian Dziallas) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 06:39:58 +0100 Subject: Quick run through of Activities on Soas2-200903061846 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49B8A02E.1070708@when.com> Gary C Martin schrieb: > Hi folks, > > I wanted to get an idea for what Activities are actually currently > working in a reasonable condition, here's a quick run through using the > latest SoaS F11 build ? Tomorrow I'll do the same with a recent F11 > build from cjb. A few of these have already been recently fixed at least > in git (alsroots json patches), but didn't have .xo to hand to quickly > install. > > Environment: VirtualBoxVM running on an Intel Mac > SoaS: Soas2-200903061846 > Build: Fedora release 10.91 (Rawhide) > Sugar: 0.84.0 > > Etoys-100: Fails, line 77: exec etoys: not found > IRC-5: Fails, no module named ircactivity > Maze-6: Fails, No module named pygame > Record-59: Fails, 'module' object has no attribute '_sha_data' > Scratch-12: exec: /usr/bin/squeak: cannot execute: No such file or > directory > TamTamEdit-50: Fails, ImportError: libcsound.so.5.1: cannot open shared > object files: No such file or directory > TamTamJam-51: Fails, ImportError: libcsound.so.5.1: cannot open shared > object files: No such file or directory > TamTamMini-49: Fails, ImportError: libcsound.so.5.1: cannot open shared > object files: No such file or directory > TamTamSynthLab-51: Fails, ImportError: libcsound.so.5.1: cannot open > shared object files: No such file or directory > > Measure-21: Fails, no module named numpy (larger issues than just numpy) > Speak-9: Fails, No module named numpy.core (larger issues than just numpy) > TurtleArt-42: Fails, no module named numpy (OK after yum install numpy, > but fails to keep when stopped) > Distance-14: Fails, no module named numpy (OK after yum install numpy, > didn't test collaboration) > > Finance-2: OK, but stopping gives keep error (json module) > Implode-5: OK, but stopping gives keep error (json module) > Moon-9: OK, but stopping gives keep error (json module) > Typing Turtle-16: OK, but stopping gives keep error (json module) > > Browse-105: OK (but URL completion has stopped working) > Jukebox-7: OK (but I can't generate any sound, might be a virtual > machine issue) > Pippy-30: OK (but font issue cause the loss of sidebar, and all run > controls) > Ruler-3: OK (but clearly most measurements are now useless due to dpi) > > Analyze-8: OK > Calculate-28: OK > CartoonBuilder-2: OK > Chat-64: OK > Image Viewer-6: OK > InfoSlicer-3: OK > Log-17: OK > Paint-23: OK > Terminal-23: OK > Write-63: OK > > Regards, > --Gary Wow! This is really cool - thanks Gary for working on this! There's a new snapshot coming up soonish (probably later today), in which some of the issues mentioned here should be resolved, but we're blocked right now, waiting for a new kernel in Rawhide. Thanks a lot, --Sebastian From gdk at redhat.com Thu Mar 12 13:02:53 2009 From: gdk at redhat.com (Greg Dekoenigsberg) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 09:02:53 -0400 (EDT) Subject: No meeting today, and a question about meetings Message-ID: Hi folks. I'm afraid I've got other responsibilities that are going to prevent me from running a meeting today. Let me ask this question: how valuable have these weekly meetings been for you? It looks like there's strong activity on the mailing list, and continuing progress, if perhaps a bit slower than everyone would like. Having me say "gee, no time for a meeting this week, sorry" feels pretty lame. If the meetings are valuable, we should probably find someone else to run them at this point. I feel like I'm doing many jobs poorly, and in my limited time would like to concentrate on a job to do well -- and at this point, I feel like there are several other people who could be running these meetings successfully. Comments welcome. --g -- Got an XO that you're not using? Loan it to a needy developer! [[ http://wiki.laptop.org/go/XO_Exchange_Registry ]] From cjb at laptop.org Thu Mar 12 17:46:14 2009 From: cjb at laptop.org (Chris Ball) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 13:46:14 -0400 Subject: 20090312 daily build Message-ID: Announcing today's build: http://dev.laptop.org/~cjb/rawhide-xo/20090312/ The ISO boots okay here, but the NAND image doesn't seem to. Anyone want to volunteer to give SD/USB a try? - Chris. -- Chris Ball From pbrobinson at gmail.com Thu Mar 12 17:47:53 2009 From: pbrobinson at gmail.com (Peter Robinson) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 17:47:53 +0000 Subject: 20090312 daily build In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5256d0b0903121047t439215f6xff2e2cb264f242c6@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 5:46 PM, Chris Ball wrote: > Announcing today's build: > > ? http://dev.laptop.org/~cjb/rawhide-xo/20090312/ > > The ISO boots okay here, but the NAND image doesn't seem to. ?Anyone > want to volunteer to give SD/USB a try? I can give them a go when I get home in a couple of hours. Pete From cjb at laptop.org Thu Mar 12 18:14:03 2009 From: cjb at laptop.org (Chris Ball) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 14:14:03 -0400 Subject: 20090312 daily build In-Reply-To: (Chris Ball's message of "Thu, 12 Mar 2009 13:46:14 -0400") References: Message-ID: Hi, > The ISO boots okay here, but the NAND image doesn't seem to. > Anyone want to volunteer to give SD/USB a try? Just tried USB on a *non*-XO, and it worked fine. - Chris. -- Chris Ball From smparrish at shallowcreek.net Thu Mar 12 18:40:15 2009 From: smparrish at shallowcreek.net (Steven M. Parrish) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 14:40:15 -0400 Subject: 20090312 daily build In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200903121440.16579.smparrish@shallowcreek.net> On Thursday 12 March 2009 13:46:14 Chris Ball wrote: > Announcing today's build: > > http://dev.laptop.org/~cjb/rawhide-xo/20090312/ > > The ISO boots okay here, but the NAND image doesn't seem to. Anyone > want to volunteer to give SD/USB a try? > > - Chris. Today's build does not boot from SD It's hanging at Unable to find persistent overlay:using temporary Steven From mikus at bga.com Thu Mar 12 18:13:31 2009 From: mikus at bga.com (Mikus Grinbergs) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 14:13:31 -0400 Subject: 20090312 daily build Message-ID: <49B950CB.9050301@bga.com> > The ISO boots okay here, but the NAND image doesn't seem to. Empirically, I've found that in order for any rawhide boot to work on my XO, I must press 'check'. [Otherwise, the firmware (Q2E33) "gets hung" while sensing the USB devices plugged into the XO.] With 'check' pressed, my XO doesn't boot 20090312 from NAND. It completes the (lit background) screen where the output messages from the firmware are shown (e.g., "Loading ramdisk image ...") -- but hangs after switching to the dark-background screen -- none of the (white text on dark) messages from the system loading process itself get to be shown. mikus From smparrish at shallowcreek.net Thu Mar 12 19:42:54 2009 From: smparrish at shallowcreek.net (Steven M. Parrish) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 15:42:54 -0400 Subject: 20090312 daily build In-Reply-To: <200903121440.16579.smparrish@shallowcreek.net> References: <200903121440.16579.smparrish@shallowcreek.net> Message-ID: <200903121542.55178.smparrish@shallowcreek.net> On Thursday 12 March 2009 14:40:15 Steven M. Parrish wrote: > On Thursday 12 March 2009 13:46:14 Chris Ball wrote: > > Announcing today's build: > > > > http://dev.laptop.org/~cjb/rawhide-xo/20090312/ > > > > The ISO boots okay here, but the NAND image doesn't seem to. Anyone > > want to volunteer to give SD/USB a try? > > > > - Chris. > > Today's build does not boot from SD > > It's hanging at > > Unable to find persistent overlay:using temporary > > Steven > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-olpc-list mailing list > Fedora-olpc-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-olpc-list Added the reset_overlay as suggested. 1st attempt at booting failed but 2nd was successful. Steven From smparrish at shallowcreek.net Thu Mar 12 19:47:34 2009 From: smparrish at shallowcreek.net (Steven M. Parrish) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 15:47:34 -0400 Subject: 20090312 daily build In-Reply-To: <200903121440.16579.smparrish@shallowcreek.net> References: <200903121440.16579.smparrish@shallowcreek.net> Message-ID: <200903121547.35038.smparrish@shallowcreek.net> On Thursday 12 March 2009 14:40:15 Steven M. Parrish wrote: > On Thursday 12 March 2009 13:46:14 Chris Ball wrote: > > Announcing today's build: > > > > http://dev.laptop.org/~cjb/rawhide-xo/20090312/ > > > > The ISO boots okay here, but the NAND image doesn't seem to. Anyone > > want to volunteer to give SD/USB a try? > > > > - Chris. > > Today's build does not boot from SD > > It's hanging at > > Unable to find persistent overlay:using temporary > > Steven > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-olpc-list mailing list > Fedora-olpc-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-olpc-list Added the reset_overlay to kernel parameters and tried again. 1st boot failed, 2nd was successful Steven From pbrobinson at gmail.com Thu Mar 12 22:23:22 2009 From: pbrobinson at gmail.com (Peter Robinson) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 22:23:22 +0000 Subject: No meeting today, and a question about meetings In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5256d0b0903121523q1f13b9ebt80541dba00eaa229@mail.gmail.com> Hi All, > Hi folks. ?I'm afraid I've got other responsibilities that are going to > prevent me from running a meeting today. > > Let me ask this question: how valuable have these weekly meetings been for > you? ?It looks like there's strong activity on the mailing list, and > continuing progress, if perhaps a bit slower than everyone would like. > > Having me say "gee, no time for a meeting this week, sorry" feels pretty > lame. ?If the meetings are valuable, we should probably find someone else to > run them at this point. ?I feel like I'm doing many jobs poorly, and in my > limited time would like to concentrate on a job to do well -- and at this > point, I feel like there are several other people who could be running these > meetings successfully. If people thing the meetings are worthwhile to moving forward Fedora and OLPC I would be willing to step up and do my best to run them each week unless someone particularly wants to. I wouldn't be able to do so until April as I'll be travelling over the next couple of weeks. In the mean time I'd like to hear other peoples thoughts as well. Peter From cjb at laptop.org Thu Mar 12 23:25:38 2009 From: cjb at laptop.org (Chris Ball) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 19:25:38 -0400 Subject: 20090312 daily build In-Reply-To: (Chris Ball's message of "Thu, 12 Mar 2009 13:46:14 -0400") References: Message-ID: Hi, > Announcing today's build: > http://dev.laptop.org/~cjb/rawhide-xo/20090312/ > The ISO boots okay here, but the NAND image doesn't seem to. > Anyone want to volunteer to give SD/USB a try? I've just replaced today's build images with new ones. NAND boots now, and I suspect SD/USB does too. Could someone test? Thanks, - Chris. -- Chris Ball From lmacken at redhat.com Thu Mar 12 23:32:00 2009 From: lmacken at redhat.com (Luke Macken) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 19:32:00 -0400 Subject: 20090312 daily build In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20090312233200.GF26671@x300> On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 01:46:14PM -0400, Chris Ball wrote: > Announcing today's build: > > http://dev.laptop.org/~cjb/rawhide-xo/20090312/ > > The ISO boots okay here, but the NAND image doesn't seem to. Anyone > want to volunteer to give SD/USB a try? Works fine for me on an SD card. Thanks for spinning these images up! The latest livecd-iso-to-disk.sh script in git seems to be broken: Setting up /boot/olpc.fth file sed: -e expression #1, char 6: unterminated `s' command The liveusb-creator did the trick, without having to specify any command-line arguments anymore :) luke From cjb at laptop.org Thu Mar 12 23:41:53 2009 From: cjb at laptop.org (Chris Ball) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 19:41:53 -0400 Subject: 20090312 daily build In-Reply-To: <20090312233200.GF26671@x300> (Luke Macken's message of "Thu, 12 Mar 2009 19:32:00 -0400") References: <20090312233200.GF26671@x300> Message-ID: Hi Luke, > The liveusb-creator did the trick, without having to specify any > command-line arguments anymore :) What invocation of liveusb-creator do you use? Maybe we should switch over.. - Chris. -- Chris Ball From rms at 1407.org Thu Mar 12 23:59:44 2009 From: rms at 1407.org (Rui Miguel Silva Seabra) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 23:59:44 +0000 Subject: 20090312 daily build In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20090312235944.GA6623@roque.1407.org> On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 07:25:38PM -0400, Chris Ball wrote: > Hi, > > > Announcing today's build: > > http://dev.laptop.org/~cjb/rawhide-xo/20090312/ > > > The ISO boots okay here, but the NAND image doesn't seem to. > > Anyone want to volunteer to give SD/USB a try? > > I've just replaced today's build images with new ones. NAND boots now, > and I suspect SD/USB does too. Could someone test? SD booted! I've got a nifty old greece like background on GDM! Too tired to test more for now, but huzzah! Rui -- Frink! Today is Sweetmorn, the 71st day of Chaos in the YOLD 3175 + No matter how much you do, you never do enough -- unknown + Whatever you do will be insignificant, | but it is very important that you do it -- Gandhi + So let's do it...? From rms at 1407.org Fri Mar 13 00:08:50 2009 From: rms at 1407.org (Rui Miguel Silva Seabra) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 00:08:50 +0000 Subject: 20090312 daily build In-Reply-To: <20090312235944.GA6623@roque.1407.org> References: <20090312235944.GA6623@roque.1407.org> Message-ID: <20090313000850.GB6623@roque.1407.org> On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 11:59:44PM +0000, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: > On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 07:25:38PM -0400, Chris Ball wrote: > > Hi, > > > > > Announcing today's build: > > > http://dev.laptop.org/~cjb/rawhide-xo/20090312/ > > > > > The ISO boots okay here, but the NAND image doesn't seem to. > > > Anyone want to volunteer to give SD/USB a try? > > > > I've just replaced today's build images with new ones. NAND boots now, > > and I suspect SD/USB does too. Could someone test? > > SD booted! I've got a nifty old greece like background on GDM! Too tired > to test more for now, but huzzah! I couldn't resist trying it out for a couple of minutes: 1. complained about the keyboard map 2. complained about somthing else I unfortunately don't remember any more (sleepy, sorry) 3. font dpi is definitely too big 4. after "xrandr -o 1" the screen went gradually whiter. didn't come back after "xrandr -o 0" so I just powerd it off for this email Best, Rui -- Grudnuk demand sustenance! Today is Boomtime, the 72nd day of Chaos in the YOLD 3175 + No matter how much you do, you never do enough -- unknown + Whatever you do will be insignificant, | but it is very important that you do it -- Gandhi + So let's do it...? From lmacken at redhat.com Fri Mar 13 00:31:55 2009 From: lmacken at redhat.com (Luke Macken) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 20:31:55 -0400 Subject: 20090312 daily build In-Reply-To: References: <20090312233200.GF26671@x300> Message-ID: <20090313003155.GG26671@x300> On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 07:41:53PM -0400, Chris Ball wrote: > Hi Luke, > > > The liveusb-creator did the trick, without having to specify any > > command-line arguments anymore :) > > What invocation of liveusb-creator do you use? Maybe we should switch > over.. Just run 'liveusb-creator'. No arguments necessary :) It will create an olpc.fth boot file by default, as of the last release. I built this release for windows, and the rawhide/F10/F9 builds are in churning through Koji now. I think switching over to the liveusb-creator would probably be wise. Both Jeremy and I would eventually like the liveusb-creator to catch up with the livecd-iso-to-disk functionality, including with a cli mode, so we can stop maintaining shell scripts and have a solid Python API. However, it still needs a bit of hacking to get there, and neither of us have much free time lately. luke From katzj at redhat.com Fri Mar 13 01:13:38 2009 From: katzj at redhat.com (Jeremy Katz) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 21:13:38 -0400 Subject: 20090312 daily build In-Reply-To: <20090313000850.GB6623@roque.1407.org> References: <20090312235944.GA6623@roque.1407.org> <20090313000850.GB6623@roque.1407.org> Message-ID: <20090313011337.GA7911@redhat.com> On Friday, March 13 2009, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra said: > On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 11:59:44PM +0000, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: > > On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 07:25:38PM -0400, Chris Ball wrote: > > > > Announcing today's build: > > > > http://dev.laptop.org/~cjb/rawhide-xo/20090312/ > > > > > > > The ISO boots okay here, but the NAND image doesn't seem to. > > > > Anyone want to volunteer to give SD/USB a try? > > > > > > I've just replaced today's build images with new ones. NAND boots now, > > > and I suspect SD/USB does too. Could someone test? > > > > SD booted! I've got a nifty old greece like background on GDM! Too tired > > to test more for now, but huzzah! > > I couldn't resist trying it out for a couple of minutes: > 1. complained about the keyboard map This is a general rawhide bug and is filed (sorry, don't know the # offhand :) Jeremy From scott at swdouglass.com Fri Mar 13 05:51:37 2009 From: scott at swdouglass.com (Scott Douglass) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 01:51:37 -0400 Subject: using the stock OLPC kernel in F11/Rawhide Message-ID: <1236923498.3641.66.camel@localhost.localdomain> Friends, It is possible to use the stock OLPC kernel which includes power management, DCON and working audio drivers (at the least) with the F11/Rawhide images that CJB is generating. In theory, this gives you, now, a working XO laptop, and the latest Sugar. And as an added bonus a really usable GNOME desktop and anything else you can yum install. In practice, Rawhide is so raw you can't get much benefit from this yet. Here is the "howto". I've done all this on the NAND, after converting from a "live" setup to a "dead" setup as per one of my previous messages to this list... 1. install the latest Rawhide for XO image from: http://dev.laptop.org/~cjb/rawhide-xo/ 2. by any means necessary install the kernel RPM from staging release 801. This can be found in the OLPC git repo: http://mock.laptop.org/gitweb/gitweb.cgi?p=repos;a=blob_plain;f=RPMS/kernel-2.6.25-20090223.1.olpc.69098d87d56945c.i586.rpm;hb=local.8.2.1 Sorry for the long URL... rpm -ivh kernel-2.6.25-20090223.1.olpc.69098d87d56945c.i586.rpm --force 3. copy /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.25-20090223.1.olpc.69098d87d56945c to /boot/vmlinuz1 4. make a backup copy of /boot/olpc.fth (e.g. cp /boot/olpc.fth /boot/olplc.fth.backup) 5. edit /boot/olpc.fth, change the kernel to vmlinuz1 and remove the entire line the ends in "ramdisk". 6. setup ohmd: # yum install ohmd 7. Reboot # init 6 End result, you can play audio/music on the text console (using aplay, mpg123, flac123 etc), and you can echo into the devices to suspend the XO (and hit the power button to come back from suspend) e.g. to suspend: echo mem > /sys/power/stat In a GNOME session, we have mixed results. You can enable "dim display on idle" in the gnome-power-preferences, which is cool. Don't try to "suspend" from the gnome-power-manager applet, that just kills your gdm/X session as far as I can tell. And the Hibernate menu item does nothing at all. The brightness applet works nicely. Pulseaudio still doesn't detect the sound hardware. Ekiga, set to use the direct alsa/hardware audio almost works... tried the echo test and at least heard a voice before it crashes. Note, I've not tested a Sugar session... will try that tomorrow. G'night! From skierpage at gmail.com Fri Mar 13 13:30:10 2009 From: skierpage at gmail.com (S Page) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 06:30:10 -0700 Subject: rawhide-xo 20090312 daily build n00b observations Message-ID: <6509bebe0903130630q69d5ca58i3f8e6fc91dc1378e@mail.gmail.com> With help from most excellent cjb I got the revised 20090312.bootable.gz on an 8GB SD card and it booted on my XO running candidate 801 and recent firmware. I created http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Rawhide-XO and its Talk page, seems useful. Maybe http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Rawhide-XO can link to it; maybe the info belongs on SugarLabs.org ? I was able to use `zcat 20090312.bootable.gz > /dev/sdb` in Windows XP SP3 under Cygwin. In case anyone else is stupid enough to use Windows, * I used `cat /proc/partitions` to figure out what device it was. * Twice I had a corrupted FAT32 root directory. I suspect Windows got confused about the altered partitioning. I wound up running Cygwin's `sync` after zcat and then yanking the card out, *not* using Windows "Safely Remove Hardware". ==> One obvious downside of this zcat approach is it writes its own partition table, so AIUI until you fiddle with a partition editor, the rest of your flash drive is unusable. It would be nice and work better in Windows if Rawhide-XO could use the https://fedorahosted.org/liveusb-creator/ that SoaS recommends. ==> I'm clueless on LiveCDs/Live USBs, is there a user's guide to them that explains simple things like does its content get updated, how to mount my XO's NAND flash, what /dev/dm-1 on /media/20090312 is in the mount table, is there still Ctrl+Alt+F3 to get a console, etc. == Booting and login == During boot: IO APIC resource could not be allocated Unable to find persistent overlay: using temporary X 2 /bin/mknod: /dev/loop{0..7}: File exists x 8 Deprecated config file /etc/modprobe.conf + other modprobe warnings I got a login screen with overlapping garbled text at the lower right. It had a chooser for keyboard which defaulted to en_US keyboard. The first time before I did anything it auto-logged me into a Gnome-ish desktop. The second time I booted I scrolled through the keyboard list looking for an English OLPC Keyboard layout , but could not find one, just Afghanistan OLPC keyboards (yet there is "OLPC" in Gnome Keyboard preferences). While looking at this I got auto-logged in again. == Gnome/X == The Gnome desktop: Pretty snappy, not bad! I've previously only used Gnome for a few minutes under emulation. I got an alert "Error activating XKB configuration". Is this the same as the "1. complained about the keyboard map" that others reported? Here are the two commands the alert told me to run $ xprop -root | grep XKB _XKB_RULES_NAMES(STRING) = "evdev", "pc105+inet", "us", "", "" _XKB_RULES_NAMES_BACKUP(STRING) same $ gconftool-2 -R /desktop/gnome/peripherals/keyboard/kbd layouts = [en_US.UTF-8] options = [] model = I used System > Preferences > Keyboard > Layouts to choose OLPC, but then I got the same alert. After doing this gconftool-2 thought I had model = olpc, but _XKB_RULES_NAMES was unchanged. I got a warning "Battery may be broken" No power management from power key or lid close. (Sounds like I should follow Scott Douglass' HowTo's, but I'm not sure that I can if running from a live USB.) The file browser and Places show a LIVE device but nothing happens if I choose it. Clicking the web and mail icons gave errors "Could not launch application Firefox/evolution" (they're not installed) == Sugar == How do I launch activities in Gnome? In Terminal I tried `sugar-activity Pippy` and got SUGAR_BUNDLE_PATH is not defined in the environment. How do I start the Sugar desktop instead of Gnome? I guessed and ran `sugar-session`. That asked for Name, then "click to change color" but didn't show any XO guy. The Sugar Home view appeared with TurtleArt, etc., but it seemed the top of its menu bar was obscured by the Gnome menu strip across the top. No XO guy in the middle, but hovering brought up the XO guy's context menu. Pressing the Frame key brought up a Gnome-ish context menu, not the Frame. Moving to a corner brought up a Frame, but then I couldn't make it go away. It seems a lot of icons are missing from the frame. I started Calc, but it pulsed for a long time before returning to the Home view. I wound up with five "sugar-session" items in the Gnome bottom menu strip, it seems one for each part of the Frame. When I pressed Alt-Tab to return to Gnome's Terminal, I couldn't get back to a Sugar desktop showing the Home view no matter what items I clicked or Alt-Tabbed. Yet `sugar-session` was still running. I finally Ctrl-C'd it. I tried again, immediatley moving Sugar to a different workspace. That workspace didn't show any icon for Sugar. The Home and Activity keys worked, but still starting Pippy just pulsed for a long time then returned to Home view. Invisible XO guy's My Settings worked, though "Languages" icon was cut off. "Generic release 10.92 (Rawhide), Sugar 0.84.0. == Finish == Logout dumped some console output and then returned to a login screen. I chose [Shutdown], I didn't get the OLPC cautions graphic. The XO didn't power off, I had to hold down the power button. Now to repeat all this with the SoaS 2 USB flash drive I just made! Congratulations. I apologize for the clueless questions, but I will write down what I learn. Cheers, -- =S Page From pbrobinson at gmail.com Fri Mar 13 13:49:03 2009 From: pbrobinson at gmail.com (Peter Robinson) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 13:49:03 +0000 Subject: rawhide-xo 20090312 daily build n00b observations In-Reply-To: <6509bebe0903130630q69d5ca58i3f8e6fc91dc1378e@mail.gmail.com> References: <6509bebe0903130630q69d5ca58i3f8e6fc91dc1378e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5256d0b0903130649p629950d6nc236167706387772@mail.gmail.com> > I was able to use `zcat 20090312.bootable.gz ?> /dev/sdb` in Windows > XP SP3 under Cygwin. ?In case anyone else is stupid enough to use > Windows, > * I used `cat /proc/partitions` to figure out what device it was. > * Twice I had a corrupted FAT32 root directory. ?I suspect Windows got > confused about the altered partitioning. ?I wound up running Cygwin's > `sync` after zcat and then yanking the card out, *not* using Windows > "Safely Remove Hardware". > > ==> One obvious downside of this zcat approach is it writes its own > partition table, so AIUI until you fiddle with a partition editor, the > rest of your flash drive is unusable. ?It would be nice and work > better in Windows if Rawhide-XO could use the > https://fedorahosted.org/liveusb-creator/ that SoaS recommends. I think you should be able to use the Windows live usb creator to make this process someone easier. https://fedorahosted.org/liveusb-creator/ > == Booting and login == > > During boot: > ?IO APIC resource could not be allocated > ?Unable to find persistent overlay: using temporary X 2 > ?/bin/mknod: /dev/loop{0..7}: File exists x 8 I've seen this on occasion when running the image in a virtualised env. I has assumed it was just a bad rawhide day. Maybe not so. > ?Deprecated config file /etc/modprobe.conf + other modprobe warnings > > I got a login screen with overlapping garbled text at the lower right. > ?It had a chooser for keyboard which defaulted to en_US keyboard. > > The first time before I did anything it auto-logged me into a Gnome-ish desktop. > The second time I booted I scrolled through the keyboard list looking > for an English OLPC Keyboard layout , but could not find one, just > Afghanistan OLPC keyboards (yet there is "OLPC" in Gnome Keyboard > preferences). ?While looking at this I got auto-logged in again. For a UK English layout you should be able to select United Kingdom in the drop down. It works for me. > == Gnome/X == > The Gnome desktop: Pretty snappy, not bad! ?I've previously only used > Gnome for a few minutes under emulation. > > I got an alert "Error activating XKB configuration". Is this the same > as the "1. complained about the keyboard map" that others reported? > Here are the two commands the alert told me to run > $ xprop -root | grep XKB > ?_XKB_RULES_NAMES(STRING) = "evdev", "pc105+inet", "us", "", "" > ?_XKB_RULES_NAMES_BACKUP(STRING) same > > $ gconftool-2 -R /desktop/gnome/peripherals/keyboard/kbd > ?layouts = [en_US.UTF-8] > ?options = [] > ?model = That is a known rawhide issue at the moment, not just one for the OLPC build. > Clicking the web and mail icons gave errors "Could not launch > application ?Firefox/evolution" (they're not installed) No they're not. > == Sugar == > How do I launch activities in Gnome? ?In Terminal I tried > `sugar-activity Pippy` and got SUGAR_BUNDLE_PATH is not defined in the > environment. There's a drop down on the login screen which should allow you to choose gnome or sugar as the desktop. > I chose [Shutdown], I didn't get the OLPC cautions graphic. I'm pretty sure this is a known issue. Peter From rms at 1407.org Fri Mar 13 15:01:31 2009 From: rms at 1407.org (Rui Miguel Silva Seabra) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 15:01:31 +0000 Subject: 20090312 daily build In-Reply-To: <20090313011337.GA7911@redhat.com> References: <20090312235944.GA6623@roque.1407.org> <20090313000850.GB6623@roque.1407.org> <20090313011337.GA7911@redhat.com> Message-ID: <20090313150131.GA17579@roque.1407.org> On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 09:13:38PM -0400, Jeremy Katz wrote: > On Friday, March 13 2009, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra said: > > On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 11:59:44PM +0000, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: > > > On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 07:25:38PM -0400, Chris Ball wrote: > > > > > Announcing today's build: > > > > > http://dev.laptop.org/~cjb/rawhide-xo/20090312/ > > > > > > > > > The ISO boots okay here, but the NAND image doesn't seem to. > > > > > Anyone want to volunteer to give SD/USB a try? > > > > > > > > I've just replaced today's build images with new ones. NAND boots now, > > > > and I suspect SD/USB does too. Could someone test? > > > > > > SD booted! I've got a nifty old greece like background on GDM! Too tired > > > to test more for now, but huzzah! > > > > I couldn't resist trying it out for a couple of minutes: > > 1. complained about the keyboard map > > This is a general rawhide bug and is filed (sorry, don't know the # > offhand :) I think I saw it too, but as I said... too sleepy to even think about it. Today I brought the OLPC to work, if I go somewhere after work before going home, I may have time to look at it again later :) Rui -- Or not. Today is Boomtime, the 72nd day of Chaos in the YOLD 3175 + No matter how much you do, you never do enough -- unknown + Whatever you do will be insignificant, | but it is very important that you do it -- Gandhi + So let's do it...? From sebastian at when.com Fri Mar 13 18:17:44 2009 From: sebastian at when.com (Sebastian Dziallas) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 19:17:44 +0100 Subject: [SoaS-2] Another Snapshot! Message-ID: <49BAA348.2070300@when.com> Hi folks, there's another new - though, completely untested - snapshot of soas-2 ready and waiting for you here: http://download.sugarlabs.org/soas/snapshots/2/Soas2-200903131725.iso A log file from the build process has been posted, too: http://shell.sugarlabs.org/sdz/soas2-20090313.log So what is new? * most activities have been updated to their latest version * sugar-update-control is now included - thanks to SMParrish * etoys, speak and read activity should now really be on it ;) * keyboard layout changes should be possible via system-config-keyboard * the soas version information has been incorporated correctly Concerning the last point: When booting the image, you should see a screen with the Fedora wallpaper for one second - press escape here and you should get to the boot menu, where you'll see the image's name. By the way, Fedora 11 (on which SoaS-2 is based) has entered beta freeze: So quite some packages won't be changing for now, but with the upcoming snapshots - as Rawhide progresses - it should stabilize more. Well, that's it so far. As always, please report any issues you encounter. Thanks and happy testing! --Your SoaS Team From gary at garycmartin.com Fri Mar 13 23:07:12 2009 From: gary at garycmartin.com (Gary C Martin) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 23:07:12 +0000 Subject: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS-2] Another Snapshot! In-Reply-To: References: <49BAA348.2070300@when.com> Message-ID: On 13 Mar 2009, at 20:10, Caroline Meeks wrote: > I am getting a grey screen on the two computers I've tried it on. FWIW: It's booting fine here on a Mac using Sun's VirtualBox, haven't done much more than boot it and run a few Activities yet. Regards, --Gary > On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 2:17 PM, Sebastian Dziallas > wrote: > Hi folks, > > there's another new - though, completely untested - snapshot of soas-2 > ready and waiting for you here: > > http://download.sugarlabs.org/soas/snapshots/2/Soas2-200903131725.iso > > A log file from the build process has been posted, too: > > http://shell.sugarlabs.org/sdz/soas2-20090313.log > > So what is new? > > * most activities have been updated to their latest version > * sugar-update-control is now included - thanks to SMParrish > * etoys, speak and read activity should now really be on it ;) > * keyboard layout changes should be possible via system-config- > keyboard > * the soas version information has been incorporated correctly > > Concerning the last point: When booting the image, you should see a > screen with the Fedora wallpaper for one second - press escape here > and > you should get to the boot menu, where you'll see the image's name. > > By the way, Fedora 11 (on which SoaS-2 is based) has entered beta > freeze: So quite some packages won't be changing for now, but with the > upcoming snapshots - as Rawhide progresses - it should stabilize more. > > Well, that's it so far. As always, please report any issues you > encounter. Thanks and happy testing! > > --Your SoaS Team > _______________________________________________ > Sugar-devel mailing list > Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel > > > > -- > Caroline Meeks > Solution Grove > Caroline at SolutionGrove.com > > 617-500-3488 - Office > 505-213-3268 - Fax > _______________________________________________ > Sugar-devel mailing list > Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel From rms at 1407.org Fri Mar 13 23:22:20 2009 From: rms at 1407.org (Rui Miguel Silva Seabra) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 23:22:20 +0000 Subject: 20090312 daily build In-Reply-To: <20090313150131.GA17579@roque.1407.org> References: <20090312235944.GA6623@roque.1407.org> <20090313000850.GB6623@roque.1407.org> <20090313011337.GA7911@redhat.com> <20090313150131.GA17579@roque.1407.org> Message-ID: <20090313232220.GB17579@roque.1407.org> On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 03:01:31PM +0000, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: > On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 09:13:38PM -0400, Jeremy Katz wrote: > > On Friday, March 13 2009, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra said: > > > On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 11:59:44PM +0000, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: > > > > On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 07:25:38PM -0400, Chris Ball wrote: > > > > > > Announcing today's build: > > > > > > http://dev.laptop.org/~cjb/rawhide-xo/20090312/ > > > > > > > > > > > The ISO boots okay here, but the NAND image doesn't seem to. > > > > > > Anyone want to volunteer to give SD/USB a try? > > > > > > > > > > I've just replaced today's build images with new ones. NAND boots now, > > > > > and I suspect SD/USB does too. Could someone test? > > > > > > > > SD booted! I've got a nifty old greece like background on GDM! Too tired > > > > to test more for now, but huzzah! > > > > > > I couldn't resist trying it out for a couple of minutes: > > > 1. complained about the keyboard map > > > > This is a general rawhide bug and is filed (sorry, don't know the # > > offhand :) > > I think I saw it too, but as I said... too sleepy to even think about > it. > > Today I brought the OLPC to work, if I go somewhere after work before > going home, I may have time to look at it again later :) Showing it to a colleague... and the mouse just dies :) Rui -- This statement is false. Today is Boomtime, the 72nd day of Chaos in the YOLD 3175 + No matter how much you do, you never do enough -- unknown + Whatever you do will be insignificant, | but it is very important that you do it -- Gandhi + So let's do it...? From mikus at bga.com Sat Mar 14 00:25:07 2009 From: mikus at bga.com (Mikus Grinbergs) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 20:25:07 -0400 Subject: [SoaS-2] Another Snapshot! Message-ID: <49BAF963.4030908@bga.com> > there's another new - though, completely untested - snapshot of soas-2 > ready and waiting for you here: Why are there two separate "snapshots" of /Sugar on rawhide/ (one on ~cjb/rawhide-xo and the other on soas/snapshots/2) ? Are two better than one ? mikus From gary at garycmartin.com Sat Mar 14 03:07:54 2009 From: gary at garycmartin.com (Gary C Martin) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 03:07:54 +0000 Subject: [SoaS-2] Another Snapshot! In-Reply-To: <49BAF963.4030908@bga.com> References: <49BAF963.4030908@bga.com> Message-ID: Hi Mikus, On 14 Mar 2009, at 00:25, Mikus Grinbergs wrote: >> there's another new - though, completely untested - snapshot of >> soas-2 >> ready and waiting for you here: > > Why are there two separate "snapshots" of /Sugar on rawhide/ > (one on ~cjb/rawhide-xo and the other on soas/snapshots/2) ? > > Are two better than one ? IIRC, the main distinctions are: Rawhide-xo includes both Sugar and the GNOME desktop, and I understand this is an intentional feature so more advanced users have a simple option to get to a regular desktop, if desired. The focus is pushing/ testing as much hardware support as possible for the XO upstream. Soas/snapshots/2 has only the Sugar desktop, and is being targeted for as many HW types as possible and specifically as USB boot media. Now, due to the wonder of open source, Soas is inheriting all the great work the Fedora folks are putting in on the Rawhide-xo builds, but XO hardware is not a primary focus for the Soas work ? actually, I've never had any Soas I've tried yet, boot on an XO, in any shape or form; where as Rawhide-xo has been working surprisingly well on the XO, (excluding non-existent power management). Regards, --Gary > mikus > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-olpc-list mailing list > Fedora-olpc-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-olpc-list From scott at swdouglass.com Sat Mar 14 03:06:58 2009 From: scott at swdouglass.com (Scott Douglass) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 23:06:58 -0400 Subject: [SoaS-2] Another Snapshot! In-Reply-To: <49BAF963.4030908@bga.com> References: <49BAF963.4030908@bga.com> Message-ID: <1237000018.1732.8.camel@isabella.wifi.spacepirates.com> On Fri, 2009-03-13 at 20:25 -0400, Mikus Grinbergs wrote: > > there's another new - though, completely untested - snapshot of soas-2 > > ready and waiting for you here: > > Why are there two separate "snapshots" of /Sugar on rawhide/ > (one on ~cjb/rawhide-xo and the other on soas/snapshots/2) ? > > Are two better than one ? > > mikus AFAIK, SoaS 1/2 is targeting USB drives and booting into a Sugar session on any x86 PC. While fedora-xo is targeting the OLPC XO and installation of a complete Fedora Linux including the GNOME desktop on the XO NAND. From sebastian at when.com Sat Mar 14 13:59:14 2009 From: sebastian at when.com (Sebastian Dziallas) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 14:59:14 +0100 Subject: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS-2] Another Snapshot! In-Reply-To: <36B98696-41D6-4FD6-968D-62AE64E5D9FA@freudenbergs.de> References: <49BAA348.2070300@when.com> <36B98696-41D6-4FD6-968D-62AE64E5D9FA@freudenbergs.de> Message-ID: <49BBB832.50602@when.com> Bert Freudenberg wrote: > On 14.03.2009, at 00:07, Gary C Martin wrote: > >> On 13 Mar 2009, at 20:10, Caroline Meeks wrote: >> >>> I am getting a grey screen on the two computers I've tried it on. >> >> FWIW: It's booting fine here on a Mac using Sun's VirtualBox, haven't >> done much more than boot it and run a few Activities yet. >> >> Regards, >> --Gary > > Hangs for me in VMWare Fusion right after loading initrd, does not > continue to boot nor start X. Previous image worked fine. > > - Bert - Hi all, thanks for giving this a try so quickly! Well, I just burnt it on a CD and gave it a try. It worked quite well here, so I got a graphical screen and was able to use most of the activities. I'm not sure what might be the reason for the issues you're encountering, but I tend to see Rawhide again as the cause. I also get a gray screen for some seconds after the Fedora progress bar disappeared, but then the mouse cursor appears. Hmm... --Sebastian >>> On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 2:17 PM, Sebastian Dziallas >>> wrote: >>> Hi folks, >>> >>> there's another new - though, completely untested - snapshot of soas-2 >>> ready and waiting for you here: >>> >>> http://download.sugarlabs.org/soas/snapshots/2/Soas2-200903131725.iso >>> >>> A log file from the build process has been posted, too: >>> >>> http://shell.sugarlabs.org/sdz/soas2-20090313.log >>> >>> So what is new? >>> >>> * most activities have been updated to their latest version >>> * sugar-update-control is now included - thanks to SMParrish >>> * etoys, speak and read activity should now really be on it ;) >>> * keyboard layout changes should be possible via system-config- >>> keyboard >>> * the soas version information has been incorporated correctly >>> >>> Concerning the last point: When booting the image, you should see a >>> screen with the Fedora wallpaper for one second - press escape here >>> and >>> you should get to the boot menu, where you'll see the image's name. >>> >>> By the way, Fedora 11 (on which SoaS-2 is based) has entered beta >>> freeze: So quite some packages won't be changing for now, but with the >>> upcoming snapshots - as Rawhide progresses - it should stabilize more. >>> >>> Well, that's it so far. As always, please report any issues you >>> encounter. Thanks and happy testing! >>> >>> --Your SoaS Team From mikus at bga.com Sat Mar 14 17:24:28 2009 From: mikus at bga.com (Mikus Grinbergs) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 13:24:28 -0400 Subject: the new background of the login screen upsets me Message-ID: <49BBE84C.3020709@bga.com> What is the software location of the picture shown as background? I'd like to replace that picture on my personal system. Seems to me whoever chose the background that was introduced last week did not consider that items with overtones of dissentious subjects such as politics or religion might elicit emotional reactions. I'm concerned that when my system prominently shows a picture with a temple, that might be interpreted as "Mikus worships paganism". I want the choice of whether my system presents arcane associations to be mine - not that of an anonymous release builder. mikus From cjb at laptop.org Sat Mar 14 19:13:44 2009 From: cjb at laptop.org (Chris Ball) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 15:13:44 -0400 Subject: the new background of the login screen upsets me In-Reply-To: <49BBE84C.3020709@bga.com> (Mikus Grinbergs's message of "Sat, 14 Mar 2009 13:24:28 -0400") References: <49BBE84C.3020709@bga.com> Message-ID: Hi, > What is the software location of the picture shown as background? > I'd like to replace that picture on my personal system. rpm -ql leonidas-backgrounds - Chris. -- Chris Ball From scott at swdouglass.com Sat Mar 14 22:42:58 2009 From: scott at swdouglass.com (Scott Douglass) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 18:42:58 -0400 Subject: the new background of the login screen upsets me In-Reply-To: <49BBE84C.3020709@bga.com> References: <49BBE84C.3020709@bga.com> Message-ID: <1237070578.32207.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sat, 2009-03-14 at 13:24 -0400, Mikus Grinbergs wrote: > What is the software location of the picture shown as background? > I'd like to replace that picture on my personal system. > > Seems to me whoever chose the background that was introduced last > week did not consider that items with overtones of dissentious > subjects such as politics or religion might elicit emotional > reactions. I'm concerned that when my system prominently shows a > picture with a temple, that might be interpreted as "Mikus worships > paganism". I want the choice of whether my system presents arcane > associations to be mine - not that of an anonymous release builder. > > mikus The quick fix: open the gnome appearance control panel. Change the desktop background and hit the "make default" button. That will also change the background for all users, including the "gdm" user that runs GDM. From mikus at bga.com Sat Mar 14 22:30:02 2009 From: mikus at bga.com (Mikus Grinbergs) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 18:30:02 -0400 Subject: the new background of the login screen upsets me Message-ID: <49BC2FEA.50002@bga.com> > > What is the software location of the picture shown as background? > > I'd like to replace that picture on my personal system. > > rpm -ql leonidas-backgrounds Thank you. Went into GNOME, changed the default system background. Did 'rpm -e leonidas-backgrounds'. Saved myself 20 MB of nand. mikus From skierpage at gmail.com Sun Mar 15 06:26:19 2009 From: skierpage at gmail.com (S Page) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 23:26:19 -0700 Subject: [Sugar-devel] XO-1 keyboard issues, partial setxkbmap workaround In-Reply-To: <20090315035121.GN30746@ops-13.xades.com> References: <6509bebe0903140242p327a66d2y7e75dffe36c1a668@mail.gmail.com> <20090315035121.GN30746@ops-13.xades.com> Message-ID: <6509bebe0903142326x42a9f1dfo2771315eaa267278@mail.gmail.com> (including fedora-olpc-list) I think there are three Fedora XO-1 keyboard bugs: 1. Any Rawhide should auto-detect you have an OLPC keyboard. The hal and evdev bits and pieces are there, yet it doesn't work. I filed . I made n00b notes at http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Skierpage/Redhat-XO_OLPC_keyboard 2. Although OLPC keymap is in Rawhide, there's dispute over the exact contents, e.g. the Frame key and brightness vs. function keys. Existing bugs and I'm really confused if this needs to be fixed in /usr/share/hal or in /usr/share/X11/xkb or both. 3. OLPC keyboard variants should appear in system-config-keyboard and the Gnome desktop manager "first boot" keyboard selector. Only the latter has a few Afghanistan OLPC keyboard layouts, none of them has "U.S. English (olpc)". I filed for system-config-keyboard, I don't know if the "first boot" GDM keyboard selector should be a different bug. It ought to Just Work :-) , but they've been saying that about X keyboard handling for about 20 years. Regarding 3, Martin Dengler made additional progress on this one in his message. I don't know how Fedora builds that hardcoded list of keyboards, and I don't know where /etc/sysconfig/keyboard gets set. Hope this helps, -- =S Page From sayamindu at gmail.com Fri Mar 20 22:56:17 2009 From: sayamindu at gmail.com (Sayamindu Dasgupta) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 04:26:17 +0530 Subject: [Sugar-devel] XO-1 keyboard issues, partial setxkbmap workaround In-Reply-To: <6509bebe0903142326x42a9f1dfo2771315eaa267278@mail.gmail.com> References: <6509bebe0903140242p327a66d2y7e75dffe36c1a668@mail.gmail.com> <20090315035121.GN30746@ops-13.xades.com> <6509bebe0903142326x42a9f1dfo2771315eaa267278@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 11:56 AM, S Page wrote: > (including fedora-olpc-list) > > I think there are three Fedora XO-1 keyboard bugs: > > 1. Any Rawhide should auto-detect you have an OLPC keyboard. ?The hal > and evdev bits and pieces are there, yet it doesn't work. ?I filed > . ?I made n00b > notes at http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Skierpage/Redhat-XO_OLPC_keyboard > > 2. Although OLPC keymap is in Rawhide, there's dispute over the exact > contents, e.g. the Frame key and brightness vs. function keys. > Existing bugs and > > I'm really confused if this needs to be fixed in /usr/share/hal or in > /usr/share/X11/xkb or both. > > 3. OLPC keyboard variants should appear in system-config-keyboard and > the Gnome desktop manager "first boot" keyboard selector. ?Only the > latter has a few Afghanistan OLPC keyboard layouts, none of them has > "U.S. English (olpc)". ? ?I filed > for > system-config-keyboard, I don't know if the "first boot" GDM keyboard > selector should be a different bug. > > It ought to Just Work :-) , but they've been saying that about X > keyboard handling for about 20 years. > > Regarding 3, Martin Dengler made additional progress on this one in > his message. ?I don't know how Fedora builds that hardcoded list of > keyboards, and I don't know where /etc/sysconfig/keyboard gets set. > Hi, (Sorry for not responding to this earlier) We need to add a HAL fdi file for the XO so that the frame key (and a few other keys) works. In the OLPC builds earlier, I think this was set by setolpckeys[1]. I'm trying to come up with a HAL fdi file which works, but for some reason, does not seem to work (on removing that line, it seems to work fine in the latest Soas2 image - Soas2-200903131725). I'm not sure why this is happening (and I'm too sleepy at the moment to investigate thoroughly). The keyboard layout information in an XO is stored in the mfg-data - see http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Mfg-data#Keyboards for details. In earlier builds, the mfg-data would be read by the olpc-configure[2] script, which would write this data to /etc/sysconfig/keyboard The data in /etc/sysconfig/keyboard would then be read by the olpc-session script[3], and maybe we can change /home/liveuser/.Xclients to contain whatever that used to be in olpc-session ? In the long term, I believe Sugar should have its own keyboard configuration system, based on libxkb (or maybe libxklavier), and enable whatever keyboard(s) that is/are chosen by the user during startup. I believe Martin has been working on a control-panel item to make this work, and I would be glad to help with this. As Martin points out, this is going to be a pain, since there is virtually no way (AFAIK) to manipulate/query xkb stuff using Python - but this feature needs to be added. Thanks, Sayamindu [1] http://dev.laptop.org/git/projects/olpc-utils/tree/src/setolpckeys.c [2] http://dev.laptop.org/git/projects/olpc-utils/tree/etc/rc.d/init.d/olpc-configure [3] http://dev.laptop.org/git/projects/olpc-utils/tree/usr/bin/olpc-session -- Sayamindu Dasgupta [http://sayamindu.randomink.org/ramblings] From sebastian at when.com Sat Mar 21 16:31:42 2009 From: sebastian at when.com (Sebastian Dziallas) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 17:31:42 +0100 Subject: [SoaS] A Roadmap to our first Release Message-ID: <49C5166E.10008@when.com> Hi all. As promised, I've got some news regarding the SoaS roadmap. Here is it: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick/Roadmap#Roadmap Let me talk about the major points for a second. (a) We're targeting 2009-04-10 as the release date, as that's the date when Caroline and Walter will be showing it off at FOSSVT. (b) We'll clearly indicate that this is *beta* software. Nevertheless, it's a *release*. The final release is scheduled for Q3 2009. (c) Fedora 11 Beta has been delayed for 7 days, which means that it will be generally available on 2009-03-31. (d) We're going to use F11 beta as the base system. Why? Because it's currently frozen and will become more unstable after the beta release, when the freeze is lifted. So instead, we'll clone the Rawhide state being used for the Beta Release and base SoaS-2 on that. What does this mean for testers, as well as developers? (1) I'd like to encourage everybody to give SoaS-2 a shot. Please report any issues you encounter, also with regard to hardware support, *now*! The latest snapshots have been announced here: http://tinyurl.com/cufy75 (2) We'll continue to build and release new snapshots, as Rawhide should become more stable now. (3) After the F11 beta release, testing should focus on providing a good Sugar experience. So information which activities (and features) and which don't are appreciated! (4) Activity maintainers for honey should be aware of the fact that their activities can only be included if they have been uploaded and approved on activities.sugarlabs.org. (5) Package maintainers for Fedora are asked to update their packages to the latest version until 2009-04-05. That's also the latest date for getting packages included! Non-working stuff might be removed as of that date. You can keep track of the latest package version here. Please update this page accordingly. http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick/Roadmap#Packaging If you've any general ideas or suggestions, please add them here: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick/TODO Thanks and let's make this a great release! :) --Sebastian From mikus at bga.com Sun Mar 22 02:17:36 2009 From: mikus at bga.com (Mikus Grinbergs) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 22:17:36 -0400 Subject: wired & wired Message-ID: <49C59FC0.7040708@bga.com> I have a single USB-ethernet adapter on my (rawhide-xo 20090319.img) XO. Have no idea how this happened, but just noticed that there were *two* active ethernet interfaces opened for that adapter. mikus ---- NetworkManager Tool State: connected - Device: msh0 ----------------------------------------------------------------- Type: 802.11 WiFi Driver: usb State: disconnected Default: no HW Address: 00:17:C4:10:A2:2E Capabilities: Wireless Properties WEP Encryption: yes WPA Encryption: yes WPA2 Encryption: yes Wireless Access Points - Device: eth0 ----------------------------------------------------------------- Type: 802.11 WiFi Driver: usb State: disconnected Default: no HW Address: 00:17:C4:10:A2:2E Capabilities: Wireless Properties WEP Encryption: yes WPA Encryption: yes WPA2 Encryption: yes Wireless Access Points olpc-mesh: Ad-Hoc, 02:29:19:37:CB:5C, Freq 2412 MHz, Rate 0 Mb/s, Strength 100 Home Wireless Network: Infra, 00:1C:DF:D9:4E:03, Freq 2412 MHz, Rate 54 Mb/s, Strength 57 WPA - Device: eth2 [Auto eth2] ---------------------------------------------------- Type: Wired Driver: pegasus State: connected Default: yes HW Address: 00:10:60:C7:0D:DB Capabilities: Carrier Detect: yes Speed: 100 Mb/s Wired Properties Carrier: on IPv4 Settings: Address: 192.168.1.12 Prefix: 24 (255.255.255.0) Gateway: 192.168.1.1 DNS: 192.168.1.1 - Device: eth1 [Auto eth1] ---------------------------------------------------- Type: Wired Driver: pegasus State: connected Default: no HW Address: 00:10:60:16:9D:F6 Capabilities: Carrier Detect: yes Speed: 100 Mb/s Wired Properties Carrier: on IPv4 Settings: Address: 192.168.1.9 Prefix: 24 (255.255.255.0) Gateway: 192.168.1.1 DNS: 192.168.1.1 From mikus at bga.com Sun Mar 22 02:42:56 2009 From: mikus at bga.com (Mikus Grinbergs) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 22:42:56 -0400 Subject: wired & wired Message-ID: <49C5A5B0.2000300@bga.com> ok - I figured it out - I had plugged in a second USB hub, without realizing that that hub also had an ethernet adapter attached to it - that makes two ethernet adapters and two interfaces. Good to know the system can handle such a situation. But the only clue I had was seeing *two* 'wired' icons in the Frame. mikus From sverma at sfsu.edu Sun Mar 22 06:02:30 2009 From: sverma at sfsu.edu (Sameer Verma) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 23:02:30 -0700 Subject: wired & wired In-Reply-To: <49C5A5B0.2000300@bga.com> References: <49C5A5B0.2000300@bga.com> Message-ID: <5fb387c70903212302k56fe375dj8da093787d5bbf34@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 7:42 PM, Mikus Grinbergs wrote: > ok - I figured it out - I had plugged in a second USB hub, without realizing > that that hub also had an ethernet adapter attached to it - that makes two > ethernet adapters and two interfaces. ?Good to know the system can handle > such a situation. ?But the only clue I had was seeing *two* 'wired' icons in > the Frame. > > mikus > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-olpc-list mailing list > Fedora-olpc-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-olpc-list > Yeah, your Hardware (MAC) addresses are all different. Sameer -- Dr. Sameer Verma, Ph.D. Associate Professor of Information Systems San Francisco State University San Francisco CA 94132 USA http://verma.sfsu.edu/ http://opensource.sfsu.edu/ From mikus at bga.com Sun Mar 22 13:58:22 2009 From: mikus at bga.com (Mikus Grinbergs) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 09:58:22 -0400 Subject: wired & wired Message-ID: <49C643FE.8060108@bga.com> >> the only clue I had was seeing *two* 'wired' icons in the Frame. > > Hi Mikus, > what do you think that should appear there instead? In my opinion, no software changes are needed - what was there worked as it ought to. [I don't know how to explain this, but what might be useful is to re-educate the *user* to recognize a 'wired' icon as representing a __connection__ instead of __connectivity__.] ---- Now, if someone has too much time on their hands (ha ha), I've noticed that a 'disconnect' entry is present in the drop-down palette for 'wireless' icons, but not for 'wired' icons. But there is work (on connectivity indicators) that is much more useful, but currently appears to be incomplete. For instance, in my experience with rawhide-xo images, the Frame is showing a gray circle where it should be showing a functional 'wireless' icon. mikus From simon at schampijer.de Sun Mar 22 18:21:55 2009 From: simon at schampijer.de (Simon Schampijer) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 19:21:55 +0100 Subject: Adding new activities to comps.xml In-Reply-To: <200903101843.40522.smparrish@shallowcreek.net> References: <200903101843.40522.smparrish@shallowcreek.net> Message-ID: <49C681C3.1000408@schampijer.de> Steven M. Parrish wrote: > We have added quite a few new activiies to Fedora in the past few weeks. As > it stands now they are not installed by default when someone does a > > yum groupinstall "SUGAR Desktop Environment" > > So the question is do we want them to be installed by default or left to the > user to manually install. Here is what I am looking at adding. > > sugar-update-control I just removed it - since it has unmet dependencies (bitfrost.update) and I am very doubtful that those will be met in the near future. Feel free to prove me wrong and I will add it back. Cheers, Simon From cjb at laptop.org Sun Mar 22 19:37:36 2009 From: cjb at laptop.org (Chris Ball) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 15:37:36 -0400 Subject: Adding new activities to comps.xml In-Reply-To: <49C681C3.1000408@schampijer.de> (Simon Schampijer's message of "Sun, 22 Mar 2009 19:21:55 +0100") References: <200903101843.40522.smparrish@shallowcreek.net> <49C681C3.1000408@schampijer.de> Message-ID: Hi, >> sugar-update-control > I just removed it - since it has unmet dependencies > (bitfrost.update) and I am very doubtful that those will be met in > the near future. Feel free to prove me wrong and I will add it > back. This is confusing. bitfrost.update should be being provided by sugar-update-control itself -- it's included in the GIT repo: http://dev.laptop.org/git/users/cscott/sugar-update-control/tree/bitfrost So, what's going wrong? - Chris. -- Chris Ball From scott at swdouglass.com Mon Mar 23 06:45:13 2009 From: scott at swdouglass.com (Scott Douglass) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 02:45:13 -0400 Subject: JFFS2 compression type 7 Message-ID: I was loading different kernels, and just switched from 2.6.27+ to 2.6.29+ (rawhide with OLPC patches). While running my custom 2.6.29-0.256.rc8.git2 kernel, I "init 6" and start over. Now none of the kernels I've got installed can boot the XO from NAND. All of them (2.6.25 OLPC, 2.6.27 OLPC and mine) give various flavors of JFFS2 compression type 7 not supported. How the heck did I change the compression type on my NAND's JFFS2? Since no kernels are able to boot my XO now, I'll have to reblast the NAND. I'm just curious how this could have happened. I've been experimenting with enabling CONFIG_* options such that I can boot my custom kernels, and I had got a combination that worked! I did enable multiple types of compression for JFFS2 however, including LZO. Could the type of compression be changed on an already created JFFS2 system, at run time by the kernel modules? From martin.langhoff at gmail.com Mon Mar 23 07:52:11 2009 From: martin.langhoff at gmail.com (Martin Langhoff) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 20:52:11 +1300 Subject: Making an XS installable img for the XO Message-ID: <46a038f90903230052j54092ab1x481acda9991e1356@mail.gmail.com> What is the state of the Fedora / Puritan / Pilgrim toolchain if I want to build an installable img of the XS spin? Noting that... - targetting developer-key-unlocked XOs so no signing of initrd needed - XS is F9 - the current XS build is F9 - (a mock chroot with any Fedora can be used too) - the kernel and initrd are _vanilla_ Fedora, and there is a strong desire to remain so - hoping for a simple cli build tool cheers, m -- martin.langhoff at gmail.com martin at laptop.org -- School Server Architect - ask interesting questions - don't get distracted with shiny stuff - working code first - http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Martinlanghoff From martin at martindengler.com Mon Mar 23 10:03:29 2009 From: martin at martindengler.com (Martin Dengler) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 10:03:29 +0000 Subject: JFFS2 compression type 7 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20090323100329.GQ30746@ops-13.xades.com> On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 02:45:13AM -0400, Scott Douglass wrote: > I was loading different kernels, and just switched from 2.6.27+ to > 2.6.29+ (rawhide with OLPC patches). I have had 2.6.29+ (unpatched) booting from NAND for a while, but with an initrd. As mentioned in IRC, I have recently gotten it booting without an initrd using kernels I built myself: http://www.zen178545.zen.co.uk/soas-kernel ...from this config: http://www.martindengler.com/proj/soas/config-i586.2.6.29-0.267.rc8.git4.mtdsoasdevxo.fc10.i586 (things say F10 beacuse I built it on a F10 machine, but it's a rawhide kernel as you can see) > I did enable multiple types of compression for JFFS2 however, including > LZO. There's a comment on the olpc-2.6 repo about disabling LZO because OFW can't boot from a JFFS2 fs with that compression. Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From dsd at laptop.org Mon Mar 23 15:03:27 2009 From: dsd at laptop.org (Daniel Drake) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 11:03:27 -0400 Subject: JFFS2 compression type 7 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <818423da0903230803t7ebb1134g8414a18ec9e66596@mail.gmail.com> 2009/3/23 Scott Douglass : > I did enable multiple types of compression for JFFS2 however, including LZO. > Could the type of compression be changed on an already created JFFS2 system, > at run time by the kernel modules? More or less, yes. It's not quite like that. JFFS2 supports multiple compression schemes concurrently on a filesystem. Some files will be uncompressed, some will be compressed using algorithm X, and some according to algorithm Y. You need to aim for consistency between the options used for mkfs.jffs2, the algorithms that are enabled in the kernels that you want to use, and the algorithms supported by OFW. Daniel From mikus at bga.com Mon Mar 23 22:05:09 2009 From: mikus at bga.com (Mikus Grinbergs) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 18:05:09 -0400 Subject: first steps in collaboration Message-ID: <49C80795.7090704@bga.com> Running, on my wired ethernet, an XO with rawhide-xo 20090323. It saw an XO with build 811, and an XO with build 2663. Was able to set up a working Chat session among all three XOs (on ethernet). [At this time I was not able to set up collaboration in Write.] mikus From simon at schampijer.de Mon Mar 23 23:08:26 2009 From: simon at schampijer.de (Simon Schampijer) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 00:08:26 +0100 Subject: first steps in collaboration In-Reply-To: <49C80795.7090704@bga.com> References: <49C80795.7090704@bga.com> Message-ID: <49C8166A.4090102@schampijer.de> Mikus Grinbergs wrote: > Running, on my wired ethernet, an XO with rawhide-xo 20090323. It saw > an XO with build 811, and an XO with build 2663. Was able to set up a > working Chat session among all three XOs (on ethernet). > > [At this time I was not able to set up collaboration in Write.] > > mikus You might see https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=491466 Would be more than great to find a solution for this packaging issue. Regards, Simon From martin at martindengler.com Wed Mar 25 16:40:11 2009 From: martin at martindengler.com (Martin Dengler) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 16:40:11 +0000 Subject: [Sugar-devel] XO-1 keyboard issues, partial setxkbmap workaround In-Reply-To: References: <6509bebe0903140242p327a66d2y7e75dffe36c1a668@mail.gmail.com> <20090315035121.GN30746@ops-13.xades.com> <6509bebe0903142326x42a9f1dfo2771315eaa267278@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090325164011.GD30746@ops-13.xades.com> On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 04:26:17AM +0530, Sayamindu Dasgupta wrote: > [olpc set /etc/sysconfig/keyboard from OFW's data and had no UI for > keyboard configuration] We could just get rid of the keyboard configure GUI and have people edit the file still (and automatically maintain it as you suggest). The range of choices available in the config file is huge, and I'm not sure what it really adds to give people a very limited UI. > In the long term, I believe Sugar should have its own keyboard > configuration system, based on libxkb (or maybe libxklavier), and > enable whatever keyboard(s) that is/are chosen by the user during > startup. I believe Martin has been working on a control-panel item to > make this work, and I would be glad to help with this. Please help. All the code's at http://git.sugarlabs.org/projects/sugar/repos/mtd-sugar/commits/a8b0f026f21b4789b8c250764cb962eb06389189 and forks are welcome :). I suppose the one advantage is we won't be worse than GNOME if we just merge it as-is, but the code's off-the-cuff and the UI has been "designed" by me so I don't think we'll want to do that. > As Martin points out, [writing our own X and console keyboard config > system] is going to be a pain, since there is virtually no way > (AFAIK) to manipulate/query xkb stuff using Python - but this > feature needs to be added. When I said "it is going to be a pain" I should've said "it would be a sign of insanity" :) to create our own X and console keyboard configuration system. wish there was something "upstream" to crib from at least. Perhaps KDE has something? I was quite surprised to find absolutely nothing but rhpl's hardcoded list[1]. > Thanks, > Sayamindu Martin 1. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=490311 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From sayamindu at gmail.com Wed Mar 25 21:53:39 2009 From: sayamindu at gmail.com (Sayamindu Dasgupta) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 03:23:39 +0530 Subject: [Sugar-devel] XO-1 keyboard issues, partial setxkbmap workaround In-Reply-To: <20090325164011.GD30746@ops-13.xades.com> References: <6509bebe0903140242p327a66d2y7e75dffe36c1a668@mail.gmail.com> <20090315035121.GN30746@ops-13.xades.com> <6509bebe0903142326x42a9f1dfo2771315eaa267278@mail.gmail.com> <20090325164011.GD30746@ops-13.xades.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 10:10 PM, Martin Dengler wrote: > On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 04:26:17AM +0530, Sayamindu Dasgupta wrote: >> [olpc set /etc/sysconfig/keyboard from OFW's data and had no UI for >> keyboard configuration] > > We could just get rid of the keyboard configure GUI and have people > edit the file still (and automatically maintain it as you suggest). > The range of choices available in the config file is huge, and I'm not > sure what it really adds to give people a very limited UI. > But that will work only on the XO :-). >> In the long term, I believe Sugar should have its own keyboard >> configuration system, based on libxkb (or maybe libxklavier), and >> enable whatever keyboard(s) that is/are chosen by the user during >> startup. I believe Martin has been working on a control-panel item to >> make this work, and I would be glad to help with this. > > Please help. All the code's at > http://git.sugarlabs.org/projects/sugar/repos/mtd-sugar/commits/a8b0f026f21b4789b8c250764cb962eb06389189 > and forks are welcome :). ?I suppose the one advantage is we won't be > worse than GNOME if we just merge it as-is, but the code's > off-the-cuff and the UI has been "designed" by me so I don't think > we'll want to do that. > Ok - I'll take a look. >> As Martin points out, [writing our own X and console keyboard config >> system] is going to be a pain, since there is virtually no way >> (AFAIK) to manipulate/query xkb stuff using Python - but this >> feature needs to be added. > > When I said "it is going to be a pain" I should've said "it would be a > sign of insanity" :) to create our own X and console keyboard > configuration system. ?wish there was something "upstream" to crib > from at least. ?Perhaps KDE has something? ?I was quite surprised to > find absolutely nothing but rhpl's hardcoded list[1]. > I'm trying to implement a very basic python module for handling XKB stuff. It is based on libxklavier[1], and can currently show the layouts available, as well as the variants for each layout. I will put this into Git as soon as I have figured out how to set the XKB configuration as well. libxklavier is Gobject based, but the standard PyGobject wrapping stuff (h2def, etc) did not work for me, so I decided to do a simplified module instead, which should take care of all our requirements for the time being. Thanks, Sayamindu [1] http://freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/LibXklavier -- Sayamindu Dasgupta [http://sayamindu.randomink.org/ramblings] From pbrobinson at gmail.com Wed Mar 25 22:37:59 2009 From: pbrobinson at gmail.com (Peter Robinson) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 22:37:59 +0000 Subject: [Sugar-devel] XO-1 keyboard issues, partial setxkbmap workaround In-Reply-To: References: <6509bebe0903140242p327a66d2y7e75dffe36c1a668@mail.gmail.com> <20090315035121.GN30746@ops-13.xades.com> <6509bebe0903142326x42a9f1dfo2771315eaa267278@mail.gmail.com> <20090325164011.GD30746@ops-13.xades.com> Message-ID: <5256d0b0903251537k25571880hb82d459f039373ff@mail.gmail.com> > I'm trying to implement a very basic python module for handling XKB > stuff. It is based on libxklavier[1], and can currently show the > layouts available, as well as the variants for each layout. I will put > this into Git as soon as I have figured out how to set the XKB > configuration as well. > libxklavier is Gobject based, but the standard PyGobject wrapping > stuff (h2def, etc) did not work for me, so I decided to do a > simplified module instead, which should take care of all our > requirements for the time being. Fedora has a package called system-config-keyboard which is written in python. Not sure if that can be of help to you. Peter From katzj at redhat.com Wed Mar 25 23:53:01 2009 From: katzj at redhat.com (Jeremy Katz) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 19:53:01 -0400 Subject: [Sugar-devel] XO-1 keyboard issues, partial setxkbmap workaround In-Reply-To: <5256d0b0903251537k25571880hb82d459f039373ff@mail.gmail.com> References: <6509bebe0903140242p327a66d2y7e75dffe36c1a668@mail.gmail.com> <20090315035121.GN30746@ops-13.xades.com> <6509bebe0903142326x42a9f1dfo2771315eaa267278@mail.gmail.com> <20090325164011.GD30746@ops-13.xades.com> <5256d0b0903251537k25571880hb82d459f039373ff@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090325235301.GA20721@redhat.com> On Wednesday, March 25 2009, Peter Robinson said: > > I'm trying to implement a very basic python module for handling XKB > > stuff. It is based on libxklavier[1], and can currently show the > > layouts available, as well as the variants for each layout. I will put > > this into Git as soon as I have figured out how to set the XKB > > configuration as well. > > libxklavier is Gobject based, but the standard PyGobject wrapping > > stuff (h2def, etc) did not work for me, so I decided to do a > > simplified module instead, which should take care of all our > > requirements for the time being. > > Fedora has a package called system-config-keyboard which is written in > python. Not sure if that can be of help to you. >From someone who's had way too much to do with system-config-keyboard, I'd say it's not helpful and would warn against it. That said, it is worth looking at the gnome control-center keyboard stuff -- while C based instead of python, it's likely along a similar line of what's trying to be done. And sharing is better than reinventing the wheel. Plus, that could then help with the future idea of anaconda switching to something like that :-) Jeremy From sayamindu at gmail.com Thu Mar 26 08:08:21 2009 From: sayamindu at gmail.com (Sayamindu Dasgupta) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 13:38:21 +0530 Subject: [Sugar-devel] XO-1 keyboard issues, partial setxkbmap workaround In-Reply-To: <20090325235301.GA20721@redhat.com> References: <6509bebe0903140242p327a66d2y7e75dffe36c1a668@mail.gmail.com> <20090315035121.GN30746@ops-13.xades.com> <6509bebe0903142326x42a9f1dfo2771315eaa267278@mail.gmail.com> <20090325164011.GD30746@ops-13.xades.com> <5256d0b0903251537k25571880hb82d459f039373ff@mail.gmail.com> <20090325235301.GA20721@redhat.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 5:23 AM, Jeremy Katz wrote: > On Wednesday, March 25 2009, Peter Robinson said: >> > I'm trying to implement a very basic python module for handling XKB >> > stuff. It is based on libxklavier[1], and can currently show the >> > layouts available, as well as the variants for each layout. I will put >> > this into Git as soon as I have figured out how to set the XKB >> > configuration as well. >> > libxklavier is Gobject based, but the standard PyGobject wrapping >> > stuff (h2def, etc) did not work for me, so I decided to do a >> > simplified module instead, which should take care of all our >> > requirements for the time being. >> >> Fedora has a package called system-config-keyboard which is written in >> python. Not sure if that can be of help to you. > > >From someone who's had way too much to do with system-config-keyboard, Ah yes, it seems to use the hardcoded list inside rhpl > I'd say it's not helpful and would warn against it. ?That said, it is > worth looking at the gnome control-center keyboard stuff -- while C > based instead of python, it's likely along a similar line of what's > trying to be done. ?And sharing is better than reinventing the wheel. > Plus, that could then help with the future idea of anaconda switching to > something like that :-) > Precisely :-). I am in fact using libxklavier (which is the base XKB manipulation lib used by the GNOME capplet and panel applet) to implement this Python module. Thanks, Sayamindu > Jeremy > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-olpc-list mailing list > Fedora-olpc-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-olpc-list > -- Sayamindu Dasgupta [http://sayamindu.randomink.org/ramblings] From martin at martindengler.com Thu Mar 26 09:20:27 2009 From: martin at martindengler.com (Martin Dengler) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 09:20:27 +0000 Subject: [Sugar-devel] XO-1 keyboard issues, partial setxkbmap workaround In-Reply-To: References: <6509bebe0903140242p327a66d2y7e75dffe36c1a668@mail.gmail.com> <20090315035121.GN30746@ops-13.xades.com> <6509bebe0903142326x42a9f1dfo2771315eaa267278@mail.gmail.com> <20090325164011.GD30746@ops-13.xades.com> Message-ID: <20090326092027.GH30746@ops-13.xades.com> On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 03:23:39AM +0530, Sayamindu Dasgupta wrote: > On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 10:10 PM, Martin Dengler > wrote: > > On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 04:26:17AM +0530, Sayamindu Dasgupta wrote: > >> [olpc set /etc/sysconfig/keyboard from OFW's data and had no UI for > >> keyboard configuration] > > > > We could just get rid of the keyboard configure GUI and have people > > edit the file still (and automatically maintain it as you suggest). > > The range of choices available in the config file is huge, and I'm not > > sure what it really adds to give people a very limited UI. > > > > But that will work only on the XO :-). Define "work" :). Editing a file works everywhere. Editing a file that's maintained by the distribution (SoaS) works everywhere in that distro. > Thanks, > Sayamindu Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From martin at martindengler.com Thu Mar 26 09:21:17 2009 From: martin at martindengler.com (Martin Dengler) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 09:21:17 +0000 Subject: [Sugar-devel] XO-1 keyboard issues, partial setxkbmap workaround In-Reply-To: <5256d0b0903251537k25571880hb82d459f039373ff@mail.gmail.com> References: <6509bebe0903140242p327a66d2y7e75dffe36c1a668@mail.gmail.com> <20090315035121.GN30746@ops-13.xades.com> <6509bebe0903142326x42a9f1dfo2771315eaa267278@mail.gmail.com> <20090325164011.GD30746@ops-13.xades.com> <5256d0b0903251537k25571880hb82d459f039373ff@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090326092117.GI30746@ops-13.xades.com> On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 10:37:59PM +0000, Peter Robinson wrote: > Fedora has a package called system-config-keyboard which is written in > python. Not sure if that can be of help to you. Thanks - indeed, that's what my code is based on. > Peter Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From sayamindu at gmail.com Thu Mar 26 21:12:08 2009 From: sayamindu at gmail.com (Sayamindu Dasgupta) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 02:42:08 +0530 Subject: Python and XKB [WAS: Re: [Sugar-devel] XO-1 keyboard issues, partial setxkbmap workaround] Message-ID: Hello, On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 2:50 PM, Martin Dengler wrote: > On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 03:23:39AM +0530, Sayamindu Dasgupta wrote: >> On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 10:10 PM, Martin Dengler >> wrote: >> > On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 04:26:17AM +0530, Sayamindu Dasgupta wrote: >> >> [olpc set /etc/sysconfig/keyboard from OFW's data and had no UI for >> >> keyboard configuration] >> > >> > We could just get rid of the keyboard configure GUI and have people >> > edit the file still (and automatically maintain it as you suggest). >> > The range of choices available in the config file is huge, and I'm not >> > sure what it really adds to give people a very limited UI. >> > >> >> But that will work only on the XO :-). > > Define "work" :). ?Editing a file works everywhere. ?Editing a file > that's maintained by the distribution (SoaS) works everywhere in that > distro. > Oops - sorry, I missed out the "people editing the file part" :-). (I should really go to sleep early on some days) I have just pushed an initial edition of pyxkb to Git: http://git.sugarlabs.org/projects/python-xkb It works for me (though it may crash if you don't use it under ideal circumstances). Some examples: #Get a list of all the layouts pyxkb.get_layouts() #Get a list of all variant for the 'us' layout: pyxkb.get_variants_for_layout('us') #Get the enabled layouts: pyxkb.get_current_layouts() #Enable 'us(olpc2)' and 'af(olpc-ps)' layout: pyxkb.set_layouts(['us', 'es']) pyxkb.set_variants(['olpc2', 'olpc-ps']) I think the above should be sufficient to implement a basic keyboard configuration control panel extension for Sugar. Thanks, Sayamindu -- Sayamindu Dasgupta [http://sayamindu.randomink.org/ramblings] From mikus at bga.com Fri Mar 27 06:12:02 2009 From: mikus at bga.com (Mikus Grinbergs) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 02:12:02 -0400 Subject: Browse-105 does not work for me Message-ID: <49CC6E32.7010107@bga.com> Tested Browse-105 (as installed in rawhide-xo 20090325) in an environment with an AP. Browse would launch, but as soon as it was asked to show an useful webpage, it would disappear. [The only page it managed to display was the main search page at the Google site -- but when I clicked within the search results, Browse vanished. In contrast, the Firefox-6 Activity ran fine (in Sugar on 20090325); (in Gnome on 20090325, rawhide's firefox executable itself failed with the error message: "illegal instruction").] The first set of activity logs showed that (when using a wireless connection) the pages Browse sought to display needed additional modules not installed in 20090325. [For instance, for one webpage it needed 'm4' -- Browse-102 explicitly installs 'm4' in Browse.activity/bin (but Browse-105 does not)!! After I used yum to fetch and install 'm4', Browse-105 kept failing for lack of other modules, such as 'acroread'. And with some webpages Browse-105 would vanish after starting to display the page -- but the activity's log would show only 'ordinary' lines -- I'm guessing that whatever crashed Browse, did not give it a chance to write any error description to its log. Tried Browse-105 without an AP (with rawhide-xo 20090326). It vanished when I tried to go to about:config (for use at home, I needed to tell Browse how my home is connected to the internet). mikus From kwade at redhat.com Fri Mar 27 18:41:52 2009 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten Wade) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 11:41:52 -0700 Subject: Fedora Sugar Special Interest Group In-Reply-To: <5256d0b0903110327h47388f9an79d1c2c423a71c06@mail.gmail.com> References: <49B78CDA.5030204@schampijer.de> <5256d0b0903110314p232d2d72kf92897f70ee45087@mail.gmail.com> <49B79114.5090204@schampijer.de> <5256d0b0903110327h47388f9an79d1c2c423a71c06@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090327184152.GY16319@calliope.phig.org> On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 10:27:12AM +0000, Peter Robinson wrote: > >>> I wonder if a Sugar special interest group - similar ti that of KDE > >>> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE might help to coordinate the > >>> efforts. > >>> > >>> What do other people think? > >> > >> Not sure what extra benefit this would add over a generic OLPC SIG. > >> There's nothing stopping the sugar people using the fedora-olpc list > >> and having wiki pages within the olpc sig. This would keep things > >> closer together so that everyone knows what's going on. > >> > >> Peter > > > > Sure, I just came over the KDE sig page and found there packaging > > instructions etc - and thought it would be good to have an entry point as > > well. > > > > Is there an OLPC SIG namespace http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs ? > > There an OLPC space here https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/OLPC feel free > to add sub pages etc to it, I should probably add a link to it from > the SIG page as well. Sorry I'm late on this reply. When creating pages in the Fedora wiki, you want to use natural language naming. We don't have 'namespaces' in the way of Some/Thing/Like/This. Artificial nesting makes the information harder to find for people who don't know the nesting structure. Also, CamelCaseNames are impossible to search -- MediaWiki doesn't pull a string such as 'camel' or 'case' from that. For more information on page naming: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Help:Wiki_structure For example, a page about Sugar packaging would be [[Sugar packaging standards]]. In order to create information hierarchies, we use categories. Thus, a page [[Sugar packaging standards]] would have this at the bottom of the markup to put them in categories: [[Category:Sugar packaging]] [[Category:OLPC packaging]] Those categories can be sub-categories of e.g. [[Category:Sugar]] and [[Category:OLPC]]. To do that, you put the [[Category:Foo]] link inside of the category page [[Category:Foo packaging]], and it appears as a sub-category. Here is an example of a main parent category page with many sub-categories: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Category:Docs_Project Please ask more questions if that is not clear. You can get help for the Fedora wiki on irc.freenode.net #fedora-docs or on fedora-wiki at lists.fedoraproject.org. You may find this page useful, as it builds on standard MediaWiki guidelines for page editing: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Help:Editing - Karsten -- Karsten 'quaid' Wade, Community Gardener http://quaid.fedorapeople.org AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From mikus at bga.com Fri Mar 27 19:36:43 2009 From: mikus at bga.com (Mikus Grinbergs) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 15:36:43 -0400 Subject: XO freeze Message-ID: <49CD2ACB.6050703@bga.com> Twice now with rawhide-xo Sugar (once on 20090325 on one machine, and once so far on 20090326 on a different machine) my XO has 'frozen' -- *none* of the inputs have any effect whatsoever (except that I can use the 'power' button to power off). [The principal "unusual" customization I perform on those systems is to add pointers in /home/liveuser/Activities to additional Activities I've unzipped onto my SD card; I'm also using a swap partition; I question whether either of these have any affect on the freezing.] [With earlier rawhide images, had same setup, but without freezing.] Both times, I was in the middle of a perfectly innocuous CLI command ('yum', 'find'). Obviously, since I had no way to see what the system was doing (alt-ctl-F2 doesn't work), I have no information to give about the 'freeze' (nor any way to deliberately reproduce it). [After rebooting, /var/log shows nothing unusual.] mikus From mikus at bga.com Sat Mar 28 01:16:23 2009 From: mikus at bga.com (Mikus Grinbergs) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 21:16:23 -0400 Subject: Quick run through of Activities Message-ID: <49CD7A67.5010507@bga.com> On Mar 12, Gary Martin posted the status of the Activities on Soas2. Here is my current update to that list, but as tested on rawhide-xo: [I did not put them all through their paces, so might miss problems] Environment: G1G1 XO-1 rawhide-xo: 20090326 Build: Fedora release 10.92 (Rawhide) Sugar: 0.84.1 Fructose: Browse-105: I had problems; see separate post Calculate-28: OK Chat-64: OK Etoys-100: seemed OK ImageViewer-7: seemed OK Jukebox-7: Launched Log-17: OK Read-65: Launched; I did not test further Terminal-23: OK TurtleArt-41: seemed OK Write-63: OK Activities: Bounce-7: cannot find proper binary blobs CartoonBuilder-4: OK Colors-15: cannot find proper binary blobs Finance-2: seemed OK ['keep' error] FlipSticks-3: seemed OK FreeCell-1: OK InfoSlicer-5: seemed OK IRC-5: Launched; I did not have an internet connection JigsawPuzzle-5: OK JokeMachine-8: OK Memorize-30: OK Moon-10: OK Pippy-31: OK SliderPuzzle-6: OK TurtleArtPortfolio-15: seemed OK ['keep' error] TypingTurtle-16: OK ['keep' error] ViewSlides-5: seemed OK Other activities that Gary tested: Analyze-8: OK Distance-14: Launched; I did not test collaboration Implode-5: OK ['keep' error] Maze-6: OK Measure-21: I had problems Paint-23: Launched; I did not test further Record-60: Launched but did not activate camera Ruler-3: OK Scratch-12: seemed OK Speak-9: I had problems Additional activities I tried: cellgame-1: OK Clock-5: OK Cobble-2: seemed OK ConozcoUruguay-2: OK Deducto-1: seemed OK Develop-35: no attribute 'Preview' EPaati-13: OK Firefox-6: OK FiftyTwo-2: I had problems FoodForce2-1: seemed OK FreeCell-1: OK Help-10: I had problems iStoa-150: seemed OK Jigsaw-5: seemed OK JokeMachine-8: OK Labyrinth-4: Launched; I did not test further Map-2: no attribute '_sha_data' Model-8: problem importing _simulator NewsReader-24: I had problems Pacman-2: problem with where I had relocated its subdirectory Physics-2: seemed OK PlayGo-5: seemed OK RoadMap-3: OK SliderPuzzlw-6: seemed OK SocialCalc-1: I had problems StarChart-5: OK StopWatch-3: seemed OK sudoku-10: problem with where I had relocated its subdirectory tangram-10: problem with where I had relocated its subdirectory TuxPaint-2: seemed OK VideoChat-9: I had problems ViewSlides-5: seemed OK Wine-12: seemed OK Words-4: OK X-1: seemed OK x2o-9: OK XaoS-2: OK Note: Sound was not working with rawhide on my XO. Numerous Activities use sound -- I did *not* mark where it was missing. Note: I could not launch the TamTam* activities to test them. They installed ok with 'sugar-install-bundle', but apparently their information was not stored in the 'activity registry'. As a result, Sugar behaved as though those activities had not been installed. mikus From skierpage at gmail.com Sat Mar 28 02:35:54 2009 From: skierpage at gmail.com (S Page) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 19:35:54 -0700 Subject: Sugar and X problems logging in to Soas2-200903271806 on an XO-1 Message-ID: <6509bebe0903271935q27e536e9qfa8a397834cb7f61@mail.gmail.com> I have an XO-1 with OFW q2e33 and have intermittently tried out Rawhide-XO builds and SoaS 2 builds with varying success. I downloaded Soas2-200903271806.iso and ran latest LiveUSB-Creator 3.6.3 under Windows XP to put it and a 256 MB persistent storage area on a USB flash drive. The USB flash drive is "2GB" (approx 1,900,000,000 bytes) USB flash drive with a handful of other files on it. Insert the USB flash drive, power on XO-1, hold down check key. The hot dog is back! After a minute the screen goes dark. After another 90 seconds of dark screen I get the blue swirl Login: screen with "liveuser", Log in. After several seconds that goes to dark screen, and a few seconds later I'm back at the blue Login: screen. :-( In a console, ~liveuser has no .sugar subdirectory, so it looks like Sugar never got rolling. The file "/var/log/slim.log" has various tantalizing errors. The whole thing follows. Should I try tinkering with DISPLAY and permissions? There is no /home/liveuser/.Xauthority file, and /home/liveuser is drwx-r-xr-x owned by root, not liveuser, so it seems odd. Hope this helps. Is there a Talk page somewhere on SugarLabs.org to report success or failure with SoaS 2 builds? -- =S Page /var/log/slim.log contents: /usr/bin/xauth: creating new authority file /var/run/slim.auth X.Org X Server 1.6.0 Release Date: 2009-2-25 X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0 Build Operating System: Linux 2.6.18-128.1.1.el5 i686 Current Operating System: Linux localhost.localdomain 2.6.29-0.258.2.3.rc8.git2.fc11.i586 #1 SMP Tue Mar 24 18:37:23 EDT 2009 i586 Build Date: 12 March 2009 01:39:32PM Build ID: xorg-x11-server 1.6.0-13.fc11 Before reporting problems, check http://wiki.x.org to make sure that you have the latest version. Markers: (--) probed, (**) from config file, (==) default setting, (++) from command line, (!!) notice, (II) informational, (WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown. (==) Log file: "/var/log/Xorg.0.log", Time: Sat Mar 28 02:00:55 2009 (==) Using config file: "/etc/X11/xorg.conf" AmdPciProbe: Probing for supported devices! SELinux: Disabled on system, not enabling in X server /usr/bin/xauth: timeout in locking authority file /home/liveuser/.Xauthority No protocol specified xrdb: No such file or directory xrdb: Can't open display ':0.0' No protocol specified xrdb: No such file or directory xrdb: Can't open display ':0.0' No protocol specified xmodmap: unable to open display ':0.0' No protocol specified xsetroot: unable to open display ':0.0' No protocol specified No protocol specified xdpyinfo: unable to open display ":0.0". /home/liveuser/.Xclients: line 6: [: : integer expression expected No protocol specified matchbox: can't open display! check your DISPLAY variable. No protocol specified Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/bin/sugar-session", line 31, in import gtk File "/usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/gtk-2.0/gtk/__init__.py", line 79, in _init() File "/usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/gtk-2.0/gtk/__init__.py", line 67, in _init _gtk.init_check() RuntimeError: could not open display slim: waiting for X server to shut down. /usr/bin/xauth: creating new authority file /var/run/slim.auth X.Org X Server 1.6.0 Release Date: 2009-2-25 X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0 Build Operating System: Linux 2.6.18-128.1.1.el5 i686 Current Operating System: Linux localhost.localdomain 2.6.29-0.258.2.3.rc8.git2.fc11.i586 #1 SMP Tue Mar 24 18:37:23 EDT 2009 i586 Build Date: 12 March 2009 01:39:32PM Build ID: xorg-x11-server 1.6.0-13.fc11 Before reporting problems, check http://wiki.x.org to make sure that you have the latest version. Markers: (--) probed, (**) from config file, (==) default setting, (++) from command line, (!!) notice, (II) informational, (WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown. (==) Log file: "/var/log/Xorg.0.log", Time: Sat Mar 28 02:01:53 2009 (==) Using config file: "/etc/X11/xorg.conf" AmdPciProbe: Probing for supported devices! SELinux: Disabled on system, not enabling in X server /usr/bin/xauth: timeout in locking authority file /home/liveuser/.Xauthority No protocol specified xrdb: No such file or directory xrdb: Can't open display ':0.0' No protocol specified xrdb: No such file or directory xrdb: Can't open display ':0.0' No protocol specified xmodmap: unable to open display ':0.0' No protocol specified xsetroot: unable to open display ':0.0' No protocol specified No protocol specified xdpyinfo: unable to open display ":0.0". /home/liveuser/.Xclients: line 6: [: : integer expression expected No protocol specified matchbox: can't open display! check your DISPLAY variable. No protocol specified Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/bin/sugar-session", line 31, in import gtk File "/usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/gtk-2.0/gtk/__init__.py", line 79, in _init() File "/usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/gtk-2.0/gtk/__init__.py", line 67, in _init _gtk.init_check() RuntimeError: could not open display slim: waiting for X server to shut down /usr/bin/xauth: creating new authority file /var/run/slim.auth X.Org X Server 1.6.0 Release Date: 2009-2-25 X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0 Build Operating System: Linux 2.6.18-128.1.1.el5 i686 Current Operating System: Linux localhost.localdomain 2.6.29-0.258.2.3.rc8.git2.fc11.i586 #1 SMP Tue Mar 24 18:37:23 EDT 2009 i586 Build Date: 12 March 2009 01:39:32PM Build ID: xorg-x11-server 1.6.0-13.fc11 Before reporting problems, check http://wiki.x.org to make sure that you have the latest version. Markers: (--) probed, (**) from config file, (==) default setting, (++) from command line, (!!) notice, (II) informational, (WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown. (==) Log file: "/var/log/Xorg.0.log", Time: Sat Mar 28 02:02:57 2009 (==) Using config file: "/etc/X11/xorg.conf" AmdPciProbe: Probing for supported devices! SELinux: Disabled on system, not enabling in X server From fgrose at gmail.com Sat Mar 28 03:25:47 2009 From: fgrose at gmail.com (Frederick Grose) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 23:25:47 -0400 Subject: [Sugar-devel] Sugar and X problems logging in to Soas2-200903271806 on an XO-1 In-Reply-To: <6509bebe0903271935q27e536e9qfa8a397834cb7f61@mail.gmail.com> References: <6509bebe0903271935q27e536e9qfa8a397834cb7f61@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 10:35 PM, S Page wrote: ... > > Hope this helps. Is there a Talk page somewhere on SugarLabs.org to > report success or failure with SoaS 2 builds? I've created a Testing branch under the SoaS project on the wiki. http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick/GettingInvolved Please enhance the format with relevant templates. --Fred > -- > =S Page > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From skierpage at gmail.com Sat Mar 28 04:05:31 2009 From: skierpage at gmail.com (S Page) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 21:05:31 -0700 Subject: Sugar and X problems logging in to Soas2-200903271806 on an XO-1 In-Reply-To: <6509bebe0903271935q27e536e9qfa8a397834cb7f61@mail.gmail.com> References: <6509bebe0903271935q27e536e9qfa8a397834cb7f61@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6509bebe0903272105o271cf14cme3ea527c354d24d9@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 7:35 PM, S Page wrote: > ... I get the blue swirl Login: > screen with "liveuser", > Log in. > After several seconds that goes to dark screen, and a few seconds > later I'm back at the blue Login: screen. :-( I rebooted and had the same experience. > /home/liveuser is drwx-r-xr-x owned by root As root in a console I did: # chown liveuser /home/liveuser # chgrp liveuser /home/liveuser Then login as liveuser went fine, progressing to the Sugar user and color dialogs! It looks like /home/liveuser is set up wrong in this image, but I'm not sure where or how to check -- =S Page From skierpage at gmail.com Sat Mar 28 04:43:45 2009 From: skierpage at gmail.com (S Page) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 21:43:45 -0700 Subject: Sugar and X problems logging in to Soas2-200903271806 on an XO-1 In-Reply-To: <6509bebe0903272105o271cf14cme3ea527c354d24d9@mail.gmail.com> References: <6509bebe0903271935q27e536e9qfa8a397834cb7f61@mail.gmail.com> <6509bebe0903272105o271cf14cme3ea527c354d24d9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6509bebe0903272143m226b3c00v8f313271ebe12a7e@mail.gmail.com> > It looks like /home/liveuser is set up wrong in this image I filed http://dev.sugarlabs.org/ticket/665 against "soas". Maybe this is a Fedora rawhide bug, I haven't tried a recent ~cjb rawhide build yet. (So many .isos, not enough bandwidth on so many levels :-) .) -- =S Page From gary at garycmartin.com Sat Mar 28 19:48:09 2009 From: gary at garycmartin.com (Gary C Martin) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 19:48:09 +0000 Subject: Quick run through of Activities In-Reply-To: <49CD7A67.5010507@bga.com> References: <49CD7A67.5010507@bga.com> Message-ID: On 28 Mar 2009, at 01:16, Mikus Grinbergs wrote: > On Mar 12, Gary Martin posted the status of the Activities on Soas2. > Here is my current update to that list, but as tested on rawhide-xo: > [I did not put them all through their paces, so might miss problems] > > Environment: G1G1 XO-1 > rawhide-xo: 20090326 Oooh, I need to update my XOs. I've had zero luck so far getting SoaS images on them so have lately been working more in sugar-jhbuild running under emulation (cjb's rawhide-xo builds were the last ones I had working for XO testing). > Build: Fedora release 10.92 (Rawhide) > Sugar: 0.84.1 > > Fructose: > Browse-105: I had problems; see separate post > Calculate-28: OK > Chat-64: OK > Etoys-100: seemed OK > ImageViewer-7: seemed OK > Jukebox-7: Launched > Log-17: OK > Read-65: Launched; I did not test further > Terminal-23: OK > TurtleArt-41: seemed OK > Write-63: OK > > Activities: > Bounce-7: cannot find proper binary blobs > CartoonBuilder-4: OK > Colors-15: cannot find proper binary blobs > Finance-2: seemed OK ['keep' error] > FlipSticks-3: seemed OK > FreeCell-1: OK > InfoSlicer-5: seemed OK > IRC-5: Launched; I did not have an internet connection > JigsawPuzzle-5: OK > JokeMachine-8: OK > Memorize-30: OK > Moon-10: OK > Pippy-31: OK > SliderPuzzle-6: OK > TurtleArtPortfolio-15: seemed OK ['keep' error] > TypingTurtle-16: OK ['keep' error] > ViewSlides-5: seemed OK > > Other activities that Gary tested: > Analyze-8: OK > Distance-14: Launched; I did not test collaboration > Implode-5: OK ['keep' error] > Maze-6: OK > Measure-21: I had problems > Paint-23: Launched; I did not test further > Record-60: Launched but did not activate camera > Ruler-3: OK > Scratch-12: seemed OK > Speak-9: I had problems > > Additional activities I tried: > cellgame-1: OK > Clock-5: OK > Cobble-2: seemed OK > ConozcoUruguay-2: OK > Deducto-1: seemed OK > Develop-35: no attribute 'Preview' > EPaati-13: OK > Firefox-6: OK > FiftyTwo-2: I had problems > FoodForce2-1: seemed OK > FreeCell-1: OK > Help-10: I had problems > iStoa-150: seemed OK > Jigsaw-5: seemed OK > JokeMachine-8: OK > Labyrinth-4: Launched; I did not test further > Map-2: no attribute '_sha_data' > Model-8: problem importing _simulator > NewsReader-24: I had problems > Pacman-2: problem with where I had relocated its subdirectory > Physics-2: seemed OK > PlayGo-5: seemed OK > RoadMap-3: OK > SliderPuzzlw-6: seemed OK > SocialCalc-1: I had problems > StarChart-5: OK > StopWatch-3: seemed OK > sudoku-10: problem with where I had relocated its subdirectory > tangram-10: problem with where I had relocated its subdirectory > TuxPaint-2: seemed OK > VideoChat-9: I had problems > ViewSlides-5: seemed OK > Wine-12: seemed OK > Words-4: OK > X-1: seemed OK > x2o-9: OK > XaoS-2: OK Hey fab Mikus, great list of checks! (I'll try another pass once if have a more friendly Labyrinth-5 out the door). --Gary > Note: Sound was not working with rawhide on my XO. Numerous > Activities use sound -- I did *not* mark where it was missing. > Note: I could not launch the TamTam* activities to test them. > They installed ok with 'sugar-install-bundle', but apparently their > information was not stored in the 'activity registry'. As a result, > Sugar behaved as though those activities had not been installed. > > mikus > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-olpc-list mailing list > Fedora-olpc-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-olpc-list From mikus at bga.com Sat Mar 28 23:05:22 2009 From: mikus at bga.com (Mikus Grinbergs) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 19:05:22 -0400 Subject: XO freeze Message-ID: <49CEAD32.6070606@bga.com> I've now had a number of times that my rawhide-xo 20090326 XO "froze". Two of those times were while I was using yum to try to (download and) install Java -- that makes me think that the XO is running out of memory (it only has 256K), causing the lock_up. I see that there is a whole boatload of updated modules (including yum) available in the rawhide repositories -- let's see whether the "XO freeze" keeps on happening once a newer image gets built. mikus From martin at martindengler.com Sun Mar 29 00:20:55 2009 From: martin at martindengler.com (Martin Dengler) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 00:20:55 +0000 Subject: XO freeze In-Reply-To: <49CEAD32.6070606@bga.com> References: <49CEAD32.6070606@bga.com> Message-ID: <20090329002055.GH30746@ops-13.xades.com> On Sat, Mar 28, 2009 at 07:05:22PM -0400, Mikus Grinbergs wrote: > I've now had a number of times that my rawhide-xo 20090326 XO "froze". > Two of those times were while I was using yum to try to (download and) > install Java -- that makes me think that the XO is running out of memory > (it only has 256K), causing the lock_up. yum has always been very flaky for me on my XO. If you search the archives of devel at lists.laptop.org you'll see plenty of posts about yum on the XO. I see to remember one before my time on devel@ (or perhaps it was on fedora-olpc?) that might have mentioned something about how loading the depgraph into memory was oneof the culprits and it wasn't liekly to be fixed soon. I've always just used compcache and switched to runlevel 3 before I use yum. Much better than finding that some %post script has run out of memory and then having to --force re-install each failed package manually to get the post to run. > mikus Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From mikus at bga.com Mon Mar 30 01:27:09 2009 From: mikus at bga.com (Mikus Grinbergs) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 21:27:09 -0400 Subject: Question - where to report usability problems with rawhide-xo ? Message-ID: <49D01FED.8030209@bga.com> The ~cjb images for rawhide-xo are good enough that I've been able to run quite a few applications on my XO. But while logged in to Sugar (e.g., with 20090326.img on the XO), I get neither sound out nor a "moving picture" out from applications meant to produce those. I do not have any particular test case -- *none* of the applications I've tried (they all run properly on 8.2.1) produce sound/video for me. [And some of those applications have taken me hours to install, and would require even more hours to detail a "how to install".] Nevertheless, I feel audio/video lack in rawhide XO is serious. The existing OLPC tickets I've found on bugzilla.redhat are mostly about __build__ problems. What I'm seeing are __usability__ problems. Where (and how) should I report lack of audio/video output on an XO? mikus From fgrose at gmail.com Mon Mar 30 03:29:53 2009 From: fgrose at gmail.com (Frederick Grose) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 23:29:53 -0400 Subject: Fwd: Question - where to report usability problems with rawhide-xo ? In-Reply-To: References: <49D01FED.8030209@bga.com> Message-ID: It seems a release goes through a number of stages where the release team focuses on progressively more of the intended capabilities of the packaged content. Those not directly involved often wonder about the state of the progress and the whether or not those involved know about what a tester is observing. During these rapidly changing stages of release building, the Trac ticketing system seems to be too finely grained to provide a general picture of the state of the progress. I suspect that there are other methods to learn what is wanted. Please point to examples of success. Not knowing any better, I've posted these pages on the Sugar Labs wiki for the Sugar on a Stick project , http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick/GettingInvolved (see the subpages). Perhaps similar pages are needed for the Rawhide XO release. Those involved, please advise. --Fred On Sun, Mar 29, 2009 at 9:27 PM, Mikus Grinbergs wrote: > The ~cjb images for rawhide-xo are good enough that I've been able to run > quite a few applications on my XO. But while logged in to Sugar (e.g., with > 20090326.img on the XO), I get neither sound out nor a "moving picture" out > from applications meant to produce those. > > I do not have any particular test case -- *none* of the applications I've > tried (they all run properly on 8.2.1) produce sound/video for me. [And > some of those applications have taken me hours to install, and would require > even more hours to detail a "how to install".] > > Nevertheless, I feel audio/video lack in rawhide XO is serious. The > existing OLPC tickets I've found on bugzilla.redhat are mostly about > __build__ problems. What I'm seeing are __usability__ problems. Where (and > how) should I report lack of audio/video output on an XO? > > mikus > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-olpc-list mailing list > Fedora-olpc-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-olpc-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From skierpage at gmail.com Mon Mar 30 09:05:04 2009 From: skierpage at gmail.com (S Page) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 02:05:04 -0700 Subject: Question - where to report usability problems with rawhide-xo ? In-Reply-To: <49D01FED.8030209@bga.com> References: <49D01FED.8030209@bga.com> Message-ID: <6509bebe0903300205l4cd0a74frad6f8fc0654fb914@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, Mar 29, 2009 at 6:27 PM, Mikus Grinbergs wrote: > What I'm seeing are __usability__ problems. Where (and > how) should I report lack of audio/video output on an XO? * Bugs are the best way for users tell developers about problems. * "Release notes" / "Known issues" are the best way for people tell users about problems. * E-mail /chat are good ways to communicate beforehand. I'd love to have comprehensive "Disregard this area, it doesn't work" notes for bleeding-edge releases, but developers are busy so I've tried to make them myself. I've jumped on irc://irc.freenode.net/#fedora-olpc , asked about a basic issue, got confirmation from someone like the helpful cjb that it's a bug, and updated http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Rawhide-XO#Known_issues , and filed a couple of bugs. I think it's a good approach that you or anyone can participate in. Maybe you could summarize your _amazing_ "Quick run through of Activities". > The > existing OLPC tickets I've found on bugzilla.redhat are mostly about > __build__ problems. As that page notes, the product "Fedora OLPC" in redhat bugzilla is obsolete. The tracker bug 461806 is helpful, but it's missing lots of known issues like sound. Cheers, -- =S Page (just an XO owner) From caroline at solutiongrove.com Mon Mar 30 17:26:39 2009 From: caroline at solutiongrove.com (Caroline Meeks) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 13:26:39 -0400 Subject: Help with Boot Helpers? Message-ID: Last week Mel and I went to two schools in Boston to see how Sugar on a Stick would fare in the wild. Notes are here: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/GPA http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Shaw_Elementary_School The short summary is we think a wider range of "Boot Helpers" would be very helpful. One thing that we specifically need help with is getting the boot-helper CD updated from F9.9 to F11. Marco made the F9.9 version a few months ago: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick Its under Gary's name, it was lost and Gary found it and uploaded it, but Marco did the original work. Relevant tickets in dev.sugarlabs.org include 263, 265 for the CD version More generally 579, 597 and 598 for the various different types of boot helpers. Thanks to much work by many volunteers we are getting close! We have enthusiastic teachers, especially at the Gardner, chomping at the bit to try Sugar! Please help if you can. Thanks!!!! Caroline -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove Caroline at SolutionGrove.com 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gary at garycmartin.com Mon Mar 30 17:36:27 2009 From: gary at garycmartin.com (Gary C Martin) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 18:36:27 +0100 Subject: Help with Boot Helpers? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2A982166-CF44-4E0E-B614-43AF78D91F58@garycmartin.com> On 30 Mar 2009, at 18:26, Caroline Meeks wrote: > Last week Mel and I went to two schools in Boston to see how Sugar > on a Stick would fare in the wild. > > Notes are here: > http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/GPA > http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Shaw_Elementary_School > > > The short summary is we think a wider range of "Boot Helpers" would > be very helpful. > > One thing that we specifically need help with is getting the boot- > helper CD updated from F9.9 to F11. > > Marco made the F9.9 version a few months ago: > http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick > > Its under Gary's name, it was lost and Gary found it and uploaded > it, but Marco did the original work. And we recently decided to loose it again, as neither Simon or myself could get it to work (at least on the kit we could test with ? did you have any luck at all with it?). It's still in my public directory if needed, but not on the wiki anymore: http://people.sugarlabs.org/garycmartin/boot.iso Regards, --Gary > Relevant tickets in dev.sugarlabs.org include 263, 265 for the CD > version > > More generally 579, 597 and 598 for the various different types of > boot helpers. > > > Thanks to much work by many volunteers we are getting close! We have > enthusiastic teachers, especially at the Gardner, chomping at the > bit to try Sugar! Please help if you can. > > Thanks!!!! > Caroline > > > > -- > Caroline Meeks > Solution Grove > Caroline at SolutionGrove.com > > 617-500-3488 - Office > 505-213-3268 - Fax > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-olpc-list mailing list > Fedora-olpc-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-olpc-list From caroline at solutiongrove.com Mon Mar 30 17:47:42 2009 From: caroline at solutiongrove.com (Caroline Meeks) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 13:47:42 -0400 Subject: Help with Boot Helpers? In-Reply-To: <2A982166-CF44-4E0E-B614-43AF78D91F58@garycmartin.com> References: <2A982166-CF44-4E0E-B614-43AF78D91F58@garycmartin.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 1:36 PM, Gary C Martin wrote: > On 30 Mar 2009, at 18:26, Caroline Meeks wrote: > > Last week Mel and I went to two schools in Boston to see how Sugar on a >> Stick would fare in the wild. >> >> Notes are here: >> http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/GPA >> http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Shaw_Elementary_School >> >> >> The short summary is we think a wider range of "Boot Helpers" would be >> very helpful. >> >> One thing that we specifically need help with is getting the boot-helper >> CD updated from F9.9 to F11. >> >> Marco made the F9.9 version a few months ago: >> http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick >> >> Its under Gary's name, it was lost and Gary found it and uploaded it, but >> Marco did the original work. >> > > And we recently decided to loose it again, as neither Simon or myself could > get it to work (at least on the kit we could test with ? did you have any > luck at all with it?). It's still in my public directory if needed, but not > on the wiki anymore: > > http://people.sugarlabs.org/garycmartin/boot.iso Yes it worked for me! I just need a version with the most up to date drivers as I'm hoping (based on some googling) that they will help some of the issues we saw in our latest tests on the school computer labs. Specifically I was definitely able to boot the Gardner school computer lab computers with the CD and they did not boot without the CD. Thanks, Caroline > > > Regards, > --Gary > > Relevant tickets in dev.sugarlabs.org include 263, 265 for the CD version >> >> More generally 579, 597 and 598 for the various different types of boot >> helpers. >> >> >> Thanks to much work by many volunteers we are getting close! We have >> enthusiastic teachers, especially at the Gardner, chomping at the bit to try >> Sugar! Please help if you can. >> >> Thanks!!!! >> Caroline >> >> >> >> -- >> Caroline Meeks >> Solution Grove >> Caroline at SolutionGrove.com >> >> 617-500-3488 - Office >> 505-213-3268 - Fax >> _______________________________________________ >> Fedora-olpc-list mailing list >> Fedora-olpc-list at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-olpc-list >> > > -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove Caroline at SolutionGrove.com 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gary at garycmartin.com Mon Mar 30 18:26:01 2009 From: gary at garycmartin.com (Gary C Martin) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 19:26:01 +0100 Subject: Help with Boot Helpers? In-Reply-To: References: <2A982166-CF44-4E0E-B614-43AF78D91F58@garycmartin.com> Message-ID: <5714B272-4254-43FC-B4C8-7A40160CCE55@garycmartin.com> On 30 Mar 2009, at 18:47, Caroline Meeks wrote: > On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 1:36 PM, Gary C Martin > wrote: > On 30 Mar 2009, at 18:26, Caroline Meeks wrote: > > Last week Mel and I went to two schools in Boston to see how Sugar > on a Stick would fare in the wild. > > Notes are here: > http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/GPA > http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Shaw_Elementary_School > > > The short summary is we think a wider range of "Boot Helpers" would > be very helpful. > > One thing that we specifically need help with is getting the boot- > helper CD updated from F9.9 to F11. > > Marco made the F9.9 version a few months ago: > http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick > > Its under Gary's name, it was lost and Gary found it and uploaded > it, but Marco did the original work. > > And we recently decided to loose it again, as neither Simon or > myself could get it to work (at least on the kit we could test with > ? did you have any luck at all with it?). It's still in my public > directory if needed, but not on the wiki anymore: > > http://people.sugarlabs.org/garycmartin/boot.iso > > Yes it worked for me! I just need a version with the most up to > date drivers as I'm hoping (based on some googling) that they will > help some of the issues we saw in our latest tests on the school > computer labs. > > Specifically I was definitely able to boot the Gardner school > computer lab computers with the CD and they did not boot without the > CD. Oh my, OK! I've added it back to the wiki, you were just in time, I was going to delete it ? no one had reported it as currently working! :-) Regards, --Gary > Thanks, > Caroline > > > Regards, > --Gary > > Relevant tickets in dev.sugarlabs.org include 263, 265 for the CD > version > > More generally 579, 597 and 598 for the various different types of > boot helpers. > > > Thanks to much work by many volunteers we are getting close! We have > enthusiastic teachers, especially at the Gardner, chomping at the > bit to try Sugar! Please help if you can. > > Thanks!!!! > Caroline > > > > -- > Caroline Meeks > Solution Grove > Caroline at SolutionGrove.com > > 617-500-3488 - Office > 505-213-3268 - Fax > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-olpc-list mailing list > Fedora-olpc-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-olpc-list > > > > > -- > Caroline Meeks > Solution Grove > Caroline at SolutionGrove.com > > 617-500-3488 - Office > 505-213-3268 - Fax