[Fedora-packaging] Re: LibtoolArchives, v0.3

Michael Schwendt bugs.michael at gmx.net
Thu Jan 18 02:39:47 UTC 2007

On Thu, 18 Jan 2007 02:48:47 +0100, Axel Thimm wrote:

> > As much as I support upstream changes, it is beyond my motivation to
> > be the one to take the lead here.
> But it is your motivation obviously to head towards the opposite
> direction.

You often seem to assume strange things about people you communicate with.

Oh, wait, that was a quote from your previous mail!

Actually, the "opposite direction" is what you propose, i.e. to bring back
the .la problems before an alternative solution is implemented.

> > I have not even seen any solutions other than killing .la files
> > except where the used ltdl doesn't understand .so files.
> Maybe because your toolbox at home only has a hammer?

Lame metaphors are an effective way to kill communication.

> How many times did I mention in this thread that there are working
> patches even used for quite some time in other distros?

Why don't you collect them and present them for review?

But to do you a favour, let's return to a previous message. Quoting

    My proposal is to allow *.la files to live and kindly divert people
    crying too loud about it to assist upstream in fixing the issues.
    Don't forget that there are already patches for dealing with
    95% of our issues available.

Clever! First you prepare the road with phrases like "people crying too
loud" before you try to subvert established packaging techniques:

    So let me ask again: What's really that bad about including the
    current *.la files into devel by default (unless really needed in main
    packages) other than a couple more dependencies between *-devel
    packages and how bad are these "bloated" devel interdependencies?

I wish you would have the courage to explain what the benefits of bringing
back .la files would be before a solution is supported upstream. What
are the "95% of our issues" and how do the patches avoid them?

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