From kagesenshi.87 at gmail.com Fri Mar 28 12:13:31 2008 From: kagesenshi.87 at gmail.com (Izhar Firdaus) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 20:13:31 +0800 Subject: [Fedora-python-devel-list] print "Hello world!!" Message-ID: def main(): print "Hello world!!" if __name__ == '__main__': main() (sorry, cant resist the temptation looking at an empty archive :P ) -- Mohd Izhar Firdaus Bin Ismail Amano Hikaru ??? ???? ???? http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MohdIzharFirdaus http://blog.kagesenshi.org 92C2 B295 B40B B3DC 6866 5011 5BD2 584A 8A5D 7331 From juankprada at gmail.com Fri Mar 28 13:02:40 2008 From: juankprada at gmail.com (Juan Camilo Prada) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 08:02:40 -0500 Subject: [Fedora-python-devel-list] Introduction Message-ID: <1206709360.2778.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hey! i just wanna introduce mysefl to the recently created ml for the python SIG at fedora!.... My name is Juan Camilo and I wanna say im not a pro with python. In fact im just learning how to work with it, so im really glad to have this ml as a way to interact to other python developers! good for fedora and this new SIG! -- Juan Camilo Prada From pemboa at gmail.com Fri Mar 28 13:45:41 2008 From: pemboa at gmail.com (Arthur Pemberton) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 08:45:41 -0500 Subject: [Fedora-python-devel-list] I heard something about a Python party Message-ID: <16de708d0803280645w7ff5a0ben5ed75a3f768ca01b@mail.gmail.com> Is this where it is? -- Fedora 7 : sipping some of that moonshine ( www.pembo13.com ) From kagesenshi.87 at gmail.com Fri Mar 28 14:26:34 2008 From: kagesenshi.87 at gmail.com (Izhar Firdaus) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 22:26:34 +0800 Subject: [Fedora-python-devel-list] print "Hello world!!" In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: 2008/3/28 Stig Arnesen : > Then I had the second post. :-) seems like ure not ... U sent to my email~! not the list. (somebody please change the default reply-to to the ML address) again i hereby claim the first post of fedora-python-devel-list :P > > > 2008/3/28, Izhar Firdaus : > > > 2008/3/28 Stig Arnesen : > > > > > Is this the first post? > > > > > > oh yes it is .. haha > > > > https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-python-devel-list/ > > > > i hereby claim the first post of fedora-python-devel-list :P > > -- Mohd Izhar Firdaus Bin Ismail Amano Hikaru ??? ???? ???? http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MohdIzharFirdaus http://blog.kagesenshi.org 92C2 B295 B40B B3DC 6866 5011 5BD2 584A 8A5D 7331 From telimektar at esraonline.com Fri Mar 28 14:26:52 2008 From: telimektar at esraonline.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Micha=EBl_Ughetto?=) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 15:26:52 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-python-devel-list] Introduction Message-ID: <67768aef0803280726wffee59x476a216582f91a19@mail.gmail.com> Hi everybody, Micha?l Ughetto, french translator, i'm a regular user of Python. I haven't a lot of time for the moment, but i hope i could help later. Nice idea that Python SIG Friendly, -- 0x8ECBA2A4 2007-10-18 Michael Ughetto (Telimektar) || From kagesenshi.87 at gmail.com Fri Mar 28 14:37:52 2008 From: kagesenshi.87 at gmail.com (Izhar Firdaus) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 22:37:52 +0800 Subject: [Fedora-python-devel-list] print "Hello world!!" In-Reply-To: <2c21bbf00803280733w5b353176i84004a42df3b8956@mail.gmail.com> References: <2c21bbf00803280733w5b353176i84004a42df3b8956@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 10:33 PM, Mustafa Qasim wrote: > On Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 7:26 PM, Izhar Firdaus > wrote: > > 2008/3/28 Stig Arnesen : > > > Then I had the second post. :-) > > > > seems like ure not ... U sent to my email~! not the list. > > > > (somebody please change the default reply-to to the ML address) > > > > again i hereby claim the first post of fedora-python-devel-list :P > > > > Hey congratulations dude :p for baing the 1st poster of this list .. lol > haha .. yay~ .. Haha .. another example of a reason somebody should set the reply-to to the ML address .. -- Mohd Izhar Firdaus Bin Ismail Amano Hikaru ??? ???? ???? http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MohdIzharFirdaus http://blog.kagesenshi.org 92C2 B295 B40B B3DC 6866 5011 5BD2 584A 8A5D 7331 From nphilipp at redhat.com Fri Mar 28 17:44:47 2008 From: nphilipp at redhat.com (Nils Philippsen) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 18:44:47 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-python-devel-list] Just another introduction Message-ID: <1206726287.11007.94.camel@gibraltar.str.redhat.com> It seems it's the time for introductions again... I'm the Red Hat/Fedora person for among other things a number of configuration tools in Python and I use it in a number of other (private) projects as well. Some of these involve TurboGears, some don't ;-). Nils -- Nils Philippsen / Red Hat / nphilipp at redhat.com "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- B. Franklin, 1759 PGP fingerprint: C4A8 9474 5C4C ADE3 2B8F 656D 47D8 9B65 6951 3011 From ivazqueznet at gmail.com Fri Mar 28 20:47:32 2008 From: ivazqueznet at gmail.com (Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 16:47:32 -0400 Subject: [Fedora-python-devel-list] Reply-To munging Message-ID: <1206737252.24545.27.camel@ignacio.lan> Alright, since I'm now convinced that there will be little use in having Reply-To munging disabled for this list, I'm enabling it. -- Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams PLEASE don't CC me; I'm already subscribed -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From pemboa at gmail.com Fri Mar 28 20:48:00 2008 From: pemboa at gmail.com (Arthur Pemberton) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 15:48:00 -0500 Subject: [Fedora-python-devel-list] Just another introduction In-Reply-To: <1206726287.11007.94.camel@gibraltar.str.redhat.com> References: <1206726287.11007.94.camel@gibraltar.str.redhat.com> Message-ID: <16de708d0803281348s2bc4da64yf0346aacb2b3ec3d@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 12:44 PM, Nils Philippsen wrote: > It seems it's the time for introductions again... > > I'm the Red Hat/Fedora person for among other things a number of > configuration tools in Python and I use it in a number of other > (private) projects as well. Some of these involve TurboGears, some > don't ;-). Mind if I squeeze into your thread a bit... ? Hi, I'm Arthur, and I like Python I consider Python and C++ to be my languages of choice (in that order) though I am not really a guru in either. My recent (ongoing) project involved utilizing Django. (BTW: having to hit reply all is a easy to forget) -- Fedora 7 : sipping some of that moonshine ( www.pembo13.com ) From kylev at kylev.com Fri Mar 28 20:57:47 2008 From: kylev at kylev.com (Kyle VanderBeek) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 13:57:47 -0700 Subject: [Fedora-python-devel-list] egg rpm template Message-ID: <20080328205747.GU22494@kylev.com> Does anyone have a F8 spec file template for setuptools/egg-based packages? I'd like to get an RPM ready for Pylons (and its requirement, Mako). I've seen the wiki page: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging/Python/Eggs Perhaps someone could add a "python-egg" type to rpmdev-newspec? -- kylev at kylev.com Some people have a way with words, while others... erm... thingy. From felix.schwarz at oss.schwarz.eu Fri Mar 28 21:02:54 2008 From: felix.schwarz at oss.schwarz.eu (Felix Schwarz) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 22:02:54 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-python-devel-list] review request Message-ID: <47ED5CFE.7010101@oss.schwarz.eu> Hi, just a shameless plug: I submitted my first Fedora RPM and now I need a review/a sponsor. My rpm contains the excellent pyPdf and the review request is bug #438892 [1]. :-) And for the introduction part: I'm Felix Schwarz (Berlin, Germany), self-employed software developer mostly using Python/TurboGears. fs [1] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=438892 From kanarip at kanarip.com Fri Mar 28 21:04:28 2008 From: kanarip at kanarip.com (Jeroen van Meeuwen) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 22:04:28 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-python-devel-list] Introduction Message-ID: <47ED5D5C.5070404@kanarip.com> Hi, Python is Dutch. And so am I. I do most of what I do either in bed or in Python. Kind regards, Jeroen van Meeuwen -kanarip From ivazqueznet at gmail.com Fri Mar 28 21:32:19 2008 From: ivazqueznet at gmail.com (Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 17:32:19 -0400 Subject: [Fedora-python-devel-list] [Fwd: Python SIG mailing list/packaging mayavi2] Message-ID: <1206739940.24545.32.camel@ignacio.lan> Now that most of us are here, let's get started. I received this email from someone wanting to get mayavi2 included in Fedora. It certainly looks like an interesting piece of software. Anyone want to try their hand at it? -------- Forwarded Message -------- From: Gael Varoquaux To: ivazqueznet+wiki at gmail.com Subject: Python SIG mailing list/packaging mayavi2 Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 08:01:29 +0100 Hi, I would like to send an e-mail to the Fedora python SIG, but I seem to be too stupid to find the e-mail address, so I am sending it to you. Do you mind forwarding it to the right mailing list, with me in CC. Here is the catch, I would like mayavi2 ( https://svn.enthought.com/enthought/wiki/MayaVi , the web page is horendous) to be included in Fedora. I propose to do it the same way we did it under debian, with three packages, breaking up the fonctionality of the tools suite that we are using for better reuse. In Debian, these are: python-enthought-traits python-enthought-traits-ui mayavi2 I must admit that due to a large modularity of the tools suite (more like 20 packages than 3, and not all used in mayavi2), and heavy use of setuptools packaging this stuff is not trivial. But we finally got it right with the Debian packages, and I am sure we can talk to the maintainers and find out what ended up being the best way to do it. The relevent mailing-list is https://mail.enthought.com/mailman/listinfo/enthought-dev and we will be happy helping you doing these packages. None of the mayavi2 developpers run an rpm-based distribution, so it is a bit hard for us to bootstrap the process. In terms of functionnality for the users, the webpage is terribly poorly written, but you can find some remarks on my blog http://gael-varoquaux.info/blog/ . I have recently had the pleasure to see new users pick up the API and apply it to their domain-specific problem with a lot of ease to build 3D visualization to fit their need with small scripts. I think that for the Python scientific user, this program answers a real need. Cheers, Ga?l -- Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From stickster at gmail.com Fri Mar 28 21:45:44 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 17:45:44 -0400 Subject: [Fedora-python-devel-list] Reply-To munging In-Reply-To: <1206737252.24545.27.camel@ignacio.lan> References: <1206737252.24545.27.camel@ignacio.lan> Message-ID: <1206740744.31291.60.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, 2008-03-28 at 16:47 -0400, Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams wrote: > Alright, since I'm now convinced that there will be little use in having > Reply-To munging disabled for this list, I'm enabling it. While you're at it, could you disable the bannering in the Subject line please? -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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If I were even going to touch it as a user, at a bare minimum I need to know whether this framework layers over scipy and numpy. -jef -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jspaleta at gmail.com Fri Mar 28 21:51:20 2008 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 13:51:20 -0800 Subject: [Fedora-python-devel-list] [Fwd: Python SIG mailing list/packaging mayavi2] In-Reply-To: <604aa7910803281446k37901d49r23131cde69717486@mail.gmail.com> References: <1206739940.24545.32.camel@ignacio.lan> <604aa7910803281446k37901d49r23131cde69717486@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <604aa7910803281451m74698715necb8f45e477a8242@mail.gmail.com> Looking outside of enthoughts codebase, matplotlib has grown some experimental support for the traits concept. It's obviously turned off in our packages at the moment. -jef -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug From timothy.selivanow at virtualxistenz.com Fri Mar 28 21:59:15 2008 From: timothy.selivanow at virtualxistenz.com (Timothy Selivanow) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 14:59:15 -0700 Subject: [Fedora-python-devel-list] review request In-Reply-To: <47ED5CFE.7010101@oss.schwarz.eu> References: <47ED5CFE.7010101@oss.schwarz.eu> Message-ID: <1206741555.29623.48.camel@denkiteki-penpen.easystreet.com> On Fri, 2008-03-28 at 22:02 +0100, Felix Schwarz wrote: > I submitted my first Fedora RPM and now I need a review/a sponsor. My > rpm contains the excellent pyPdf and the review request is bug #438892 > [1]. :-) I'm awaiting sponsorship, so my review isn't end-all-be-all. Everything looks good to me, even builds in Koji. I wish all Python packages were this easy (I'm working on Zope)! --Tim ____________________________________________________________________ < Two peanuts were walking through the New York. One was assaulted. > -------------------------------------------------------------------- \ \ \ \ /\ ( ) .( o ). From ivazqueznet at gmail.com Fri Mar 28 22:03:09 2008 From: ivazqueznet at gmail.com (Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 18:03:09 -0400 Subject: [Fedora-python-devel-list] Reply-To munging In-Reply-To: <1206740744.31291.60.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1206737252.24545.27.camel@ignacio.lan> <1206740744.31291.60.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1206741789.24545.33.camel@ignacio.lan> On Fri, 2008-03-28 at 17:45 -0400, Paul W. Frields wrote: > On Fri, 2008-03-28 at 16:47 -0400, Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams wrote: > > Alright, since I'm now convinced that there will be little use in having > > Reply-To munging disabled for this list, I'm enabling it. > > While you're at it, could you disable the bannering in the Subject line > please? Done. -- Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams PLEASE don't CC me; I'm already subscribed -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I've seen the wiki page: > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging/Python/Eggs > > Perhaps someone could add a "python-egg" type to rpmdev-newspec? > If the project is setuptools based then there's not much difference from the python type to the template. -Toshio -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Welcome to the CPAN-ificiation of python, brought to you buy ez_setup! -- kylev at kylev.com Some people have a way with words, while others... erm... thingy. From a.badger at gmail.com Fri Mar 28 23:46:37 2008 From: a.badger at gmail.com (Toshio Kuratomi) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 16:46:37 -0700 Subject: [Fedora-python-devel-list] [Fwd: Python SIG mailing list/packaging mayavi2] In-Reply-To: <604aa7910803281446k37901d49r23131cde69717486@mail.gmail.com> References: <1206739940.24545.32.camel@ignacio.lan> <604aa7910803281446k37901d49r23131cde69717486@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47ED835D.90505@gmail.com> Jeff Spaleta wrote: > > > > As a scientific user....who is writing pythonic codebases for data > analysis and visualization... > > I'd rather see us have a plan to incorporate the all of enthought's > software base in a meaningful way... instead of cherry picking the 3d > visualization stuff specifically. > Enthought's stuff is a framework that should probably go in as a collection. > > https://svn.enthought.com/enthought/ > > There's a lot there... and its introduction as a collection of software > needs to be organized. > > > If I were even going to touch it as a user, at a bare minimum I need to > know whether this framework layers over scipy and numpy. > I talked to several Enthought people about packaging at PyCon. I think if we talk to them about their products they'd be very interested in working with us to get their framework into Fedora in a coherent state. However, I don't know anything about scientific computing so I'm not the ideal candidate for working on this. Jef, if you have time to take point on coordinating this, I could introduce you to Dave Peterson and see if we could get some collaboration going. -Toshio -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From a.badger at gmail.com Fri Mar 28 23:53:02 2008 From: a.badger at gmail.com (Toshio Kuratomi) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 16:53:02 -0700 Subject: [Fedora-python-devel-list] egg rpm template In-Reply-To: <20080328232420.GV22494@kylev.com> References: <20080328205747.GU22494@kylev.com> <47ED7BFC.7080804@gmail.com> <20080328232420.GV22494@kylev.com> Message-ID: <47ED84DE.8060101@gmail.com> Kyle VanderBeek wrote: > On Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 04:15:08PM -0700, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: >>> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging/Python/Eggs >> If the project is setuptools based then there's not much difference from >> the python type to the template. > > Yeah, I'm realizing that. I've got several of the prereqs for pylons > ready to go using only minor variations from the python .spec template. > I also realize that I may not want to use pylons much since it has so > many prereqs! Yikes. Welcome to the CPAN-ificiation of python, brought > to you buy ez_setup! > Heh, you're welcome to use TurboGears-1.x since we've already got the prereqs packaged :-) FWIW, lmacken, spot, and I are also very interested in pushing pylons into Fedora as it will be the basis of TurboGears2. If you want to pitch in that would bring things in all the faster. spot already has some of these packaged at: http://auroralinux.org/people/spot/review/new I'm not sure if he's on this list but you can definitely ping him about whether he wants to get started submitting them or is willing to let you take the ones that he's started on. I've got ToscaWidgets packaged and need to work on the widget libraries and DBMechanic/DBSprockets next. -Toshio -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From jamatos at fc.up.pt Sat Mar 29 00:23:23 2008 From: jamatos at fc.up.pt (=?utf-8?q?Jos=C3=A9_Matos?=) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 00:23:23 +0000 Subject: [Fedora-python-devel-list] [Fwd: Python SIG mailing list/packaging mayavi2] In-Reply-To: <604aa7910803281446k37901d49r23131cde69717486@mail.gmail.com> References: <1206739940.24545.32.camel@ignacio.lan> <604aa7910803281446k37901d49r23131cde69717486@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200803290023.25465.jamatos@fc.up.pt> On Friday 28 March 2008 21:46:47 Jeff Spaleta wrote: > I'd rather see us have a plan to incorporate the all of enthought's > software base in a meaningful way... instead of cherry picking the 3d > visualization stuff specifically. > Enthought's stuff is a framework that should probably go in as a > collection. > > https://svn.enthought.com/enthought/ > > There's a lot there... and its introduction as a collection of software > needs to be organized. +1 Another case of herculean works comes from libsage, they carry more than 70 external packages inside the tar package: $ tar tf sage-2.10.tar | grep spkg | grep standard | \ sed -e's|sage-2.10/spkg/standard/||' | grep spkg atlas-3.8.p7.spkg blas-20070724.spkg cddlib-094b.p0.spkg clisp-2.41.p12.spkg conway_polynomials-0.2.spkg cremona-20071219.p1.spkg cvxopt-0.9.p5.spkg cython-0.9.6.9.spkg doc-2.10.spkg ecm-6.1.3.spkg elliptic_curves-0.1.spkg examples-2.10.spkg extcode-2.10.spkg f2c-20070816.spkg flint-1.05.p0.spkg flintqs-20070817.p1.spkg fortran-20071120.p3.spkg freetype-2.3.5.spkg gap-4.4.10.p0.spkg gd-2.0.33.p5.spkg gdmodule-0.56.p4.spkg genus2reduction-0.3.spkg gfan-0.2.2.p2.spkg givaro-3.2.6.p5.spkg gmp-4.2.1.p12.spkg gnutls-1.6.3.spkg graphs-20070722.spkg gsl-1.9.spkg iml-1.0.1.p8.spkg ipython-0.8.1.p1.spkg ipython1-20070130.spkg jmol-11.5.2.spkg lapack-20071123.p0.spkg lcalc-20070107.p0.spkg libfplll-2.1.6-20071129.spkg libgcrypt-1.2.4.spkg libgpg_error-1.5.spkg libm4ri-20071224.spkg libpng-1.2.22.p3.spkg linbox-20070915.p3.spkg matplotlib-0.91.1.p2.spkg maxima-5.13.0.p2.spkg mercurial-0.9.5.p0.spkg moin-1.5.7.p2.spkg mpfi-1.3.4-cvs20071125.p4.spkg mpfr-2.3.0.p1.spkg networkx-0.35.1.spkg ntl-5.4.1.p10.spkg numpy-20080104-1.0.4.p1.spkg opencdk-0.5.9.spkg palp-1.1.spkg pari-2.3.3.spkg pexpect-2.0.p1.spkg polybori-0.1-r6.spkg pycrypto-2.0.1.p1.spkg python-2.5.1.p11.spkg python_gnutls-1.1.1.spkg quaddouble-2.2.p7.spkg r-2.6.1.p8.spkg readline-5.2.p0.spkg rpy-1.0.1.p0.spkg rubiks-20070912.p0.spkg sage-2.10.spkg sage_scripts-2.10.spkg scipy-20071020-0.6.p2.spkg scipy_sandbox-20071020.spkg scons-0.97.spkg singular-3-0-4-1-20071209.p3.spkg sqlite-3.5.3.p1.spkg symmetrica-2.0.p0.spkg sympow-1.018.1.p3.spkg sympy-0.5.7.spkg tachyon-0.98beta.p3.spkg termcap-1.3.1.spkg twisted-2.5.0.p8.spkg weave-0.4.9.spkg zlib-1.2.3.p3.spkg zodb3-3.7.0.p0.spkg -- Jos? Ab?lio From ewegesin at gmail.com Sat Mar 29 02:42:39 2008 From: ewegesin at gmail.com (Eric Wegesin) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 22:42:39 -0400 Subject: Introduction Message-ID: <4f0d7a580803281942j40e3a9a2r6e68c3322e01ef05@mail.gmail.com> Howdy! Just thought I'd toss my little introduction out there as well. I've been a Linux/Solaris sysadmin for 8 years, and I'm a recent convert to python from Perl. I'm somewhere in the beginner to beginner-intermediate level for python, however, I'll be happy to help out where ever I can. -Eric From kagesenshi.87 at gmail.com Sat Mar 29 04:30:40 2008 From: kagesenshi.87 at gmail.com (Izhar Firdaus) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 12:30:40 +0800 Subject: Introduction In-Reply-To: <4f0d7a580803281942j40e3a9a2r6e68c3322e01ef05@mail.gmail.com> References: <4f0d7a580803281942j40e3a9a2r6e68c3322e01ef05@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I got the 1st post but i didnt introduce myself .. silly me :P Hi *, A student here, 21yrs old. Luv python, and currently doing an internship as a sysadmin with a company which provide Zope/Plone services. Been coding in python for quick sysadmin hacks for a while now. Though I don't consider myself an expert yet, but I am quite confident with the language. Going to try my luck with GSoC this year, maybe some TurboGears app or plain python. Looking forward for fun stuff in this list! -- Mohd Izhar Firdaus Bin Ismail Amano Hikaru ??? ???? ???? http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MohdIzharFirdaus http://blog.kagesenshi.org 92C2 B295 B40B B3DC 6866 5011 5BD2 584A 8A5D 7331 From gradyfausta at laksmono.com Sat Mar 29 06:54:21 2008 From: gradyfausta at laksmono.com (Grady Laksmono) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 23:54:21 -0700 Subject: Introduction In-Reply-To: References: <4f0d7a580803281942j40e3a9a2r6e68c3322e01ef05@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi all, I'm a student, still thinking about Python... :) - Grady On Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 9:30 PM, Izhar Firdaus wrote: > I got the 1st post but i didnt introduce myself .. silly me :P > > Hi *, > > A student here, 21yrs old. > > Luv python, and currently doing an internship as a sysadmin with a > company which provide Zope/Plone services. Been coding in python for > quick sysadmin hacks for a while now. > > Though I don't consider myself an expert yet, but I am quite confident > with the language. > > Going to try my luck with GSoC this year, maybe some TurboGears app or > plain python. > > Looking forward for fun stuff in this list! > > -- > Mohd Izhar Firdaus Bin Ismail > Amano Hikaru > ??? ???? ???? > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MohdIzharFirdaus > http://blog.kagesenshi.org > 92C2 B295 B40B B3DC 6866 5011 5BD2 584A 8A5D 7331 > > > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-python-devel-list mailing list > Fedora-python-devel-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-python-devel-list > From message144 at users.sourceforge.net Sat Mar 29 08:11:25 2008 From: message144 at users.sourceforge.net (Brendon) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 01:11:25 -0700 Subject: Drupy: Drupal in Python Message-ID: <9907C8CD-D1A8-4FE4-94BC-9A40E6DE0258@users.sourceforge.net> Hello All, I am the founder of the Drupy project. In a nutshell, Drupy aims to offer Drupal in Python. #################### Primary Objectives #################### (1) Offer function/class/module level compatibility with Drupal HEAD. This allows for the following: a) Documentation reusability b) Portability of user-contributed Drupal modules c) Possible endorsement from the Drupal project d) Portability of Drupal core enhancements e) Easy transition for current Drupal users The policy until now has been to make whatever improvements necessary within API functions without modifying the external interfaces to those functions and/or classes. (2) Improve namespace support For the first release of Drupy, it will not be practical to completely compartmentalize every component. However, there are certain key areas where namespace support can be drastically improved, such as in Drupal modules. The policy until now has been that core includes will remain in the global namespace but all Drupal modules, both core and non core will remain within their respective namespaces. (3) Implement security and performance improvements where possible. Drupal is not necesarily known for security and performance. Of course with any application with the scope and flexibility of Drupal, security and performnce become more difficult to maintain. Where possible, Drupy seeks to add improvements, but only where it will not drastically break current functionality. Great care needs to be taken to maintain a balance. (4) Improve theming support Obviously, Drupy cannot completely mimic the PHPTemplate engine, but the strengths of PHPTemplate can certainly be embraced. Embedding application code such as PHP directly into HTML is far from preferable. My goal for theming is to take the general principles of PHPTemplate and apply them in the context of a good templating engine such as Mako. ################## Status of Project ################## I had spent about 5 months in the planning stages for the Drupy project. This involved weighing out many of the difficult choices to be made when porting Drupal. Drupal was in no way written "elegantly", but it does its job quite well. A lot of Drupal lack of elegance comes from the inherent lack of elegance in PHP itself. Currently, this is what we have: (1) A robust and well tested PHP function abstraction module for Python. This allows us to use most Drupal function calls without any modification. (Examples: preg_replace, isset, empty, ob_start) (2) About 8 of the big Drupal core includes working (3) Bootstrap Stage 3 ALMOST working (4) Beginning stages of theming support (5) A solid, well informed, plan of action Although we have other developers who have just recently shown initial interest in contributing, all of this code so far has been written by me in the last 4 weeks. ################### Call to Action ################### I have approached this project as someone highly experienced with Drupal, but certainly not as an expert in Python. The Drupy project could greatly benefit from more proficient Python programmers. Unfortunately, I have received many harsh criticisms from more experienced Python developers for my moderate stance on the use of global state, PHP abstraction functions, and various other details. The truth of the matter is that Drupal is one gigantic global namespace. Compromises will need to be made to get this project finished. Rewriting the entire Drupal codebase for Django or Turbogears is a 2 - 4 year project. I want to see this project running much sooner than that. So, with that said, I am asking for the assistance of skilled Python developers who are willing to compromise certain (but not all) Pythnoic practices for a short while so we can finally get Drupal in Python. I would love to bring on other core developers who I can learn from and who can help steer the direction of this project. Of course, this should be an iterative process. Once a working application is built. More elegant solutions can steadily be integrated. #################### Contact #################### Website: http://drupy.sourceforge.net Sourceforge: http://sourceforge.net/projects/drupy IRC: #drupy at freenode.net Email: message144 at users ddott sourceforge dddottnet If you want SVN access, please get in touch with me personally. Thank You From ndbecker2 at gmail.com Sat Mar 29 12:07:21 2008 From: ndbecker2 at gmail.com (Neal Becker) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 08:07:21 -0400 Subject: [Fedora-python-devel-list] [Fwd: Python SIG mailing list/packaging mayavi2] In-Reply-To: <200803290023.25465.jamatos@fc.up.pt> References: <1206739940.24545.32.camel@ignacio.lan> <604aa7910803281446k37901d49r23131cde69717486@mail.gmail.com> <200803290023.25465.jamatos@fc.up.pt> Message-ID: <200803290807.21375.ndbecker2@gmail.com> I submitted cython - it's waiting on review. From gael.varoquaux at normalesup.org Sun Mar 30 20:11:45 2008 From: gael.varoquaux at normalesup.org (Gael Varoquaux) Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 22:11:45 +0200 Subject: [Fwd: Python SIG mailing list/packaging mayavi2] Message-ID: <20080330201145.GH32502@phare.normalesup.org> On Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 05:32:19PM -0400, Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams wrote: > Now that most of us are here, let's get started. Thanks Ignacio > I received this email from someone wanting to get mayavi2 included in > Fedora. It certainly looks like an interesting piece of software. Anyone > want to try their hand at it? I must stress that the website is a horrible mess (I am working on it right now, but there is a fair amount of work). The installation procedure may not seem clear, but please send e mail either to the mailing list ( https://mail.enthought.com/mailman/listinfo/enthought-dev ) or directly to me if you want any clarification. As far of the packaging, mayavi2 is just the top of the iceberg of a set of tools to develop scientific applications using Python (the ETS). This set of tools is broken in many different Python modules, but there are a fair amount, and when packaging for Debian we decided to group the fonctionnalities. The relevant Debian packages are python-enthought-traits, python-enthought-traits-ui mayavi2 and python-enthought-chaco. I don't know how easy it is for you guy to figure out what was done for Debian packaging in order to group these packages. I didn't do it myself, althought I bootstrapped the process, so I cannot help you too much. One thing I did do to bootstrap the packaging, was creating tarballs to work around the setuptools automatic downloading of dependencies (a pain for packagers). You can find these on http://code.enthought.com/downloads/source/ets2.7/ I try to keep them up to date, but it is best too avoid using them, as they have been stripped of setuptools as a runtime dependecy. I am away for the week end (back on Sunday night). Appart from this break, I am really looking forward to building great packages for these tools on Fedora. Thanks, Ga?l PS: Actually, there was a small glitch with e-mail, so I am sending this after coming back from week end.