From seandarcy at hotmail.com Mon Dec 1 04:40:30 2003 From: seandarcy at hotmail.com (sean darcy) Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 23:40:30 -0500 Subject: XFree86-4.3.0-44 build fails in xc/programs/bitmap : IT'S -Os Message-ID: Jakub wrote: >If you suspect a bug in the compiler (which this >looks like it), find out which libXaw.so object has undefined .L91 >symbol and file a bugreport in http://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/ >with the details (gcc command line used to compile that object >with .L91 undefined reference (use e.g. nm -u to find out), preprocessed >source (add -save-temps to gcc options, rerun it and attach the resulting >.i file) and exact gcc version you used). Well I didn't. But the weekend was not a total loss; it is a compiler bug. XFree builds with -O2 ; -march=athlon-xp -O2; even -O3. But it fails at the same place with -Os - whatever -march=. Odd. As I understand -Os , it's the same as -O2, just doesn't unroll as many loops to keep the executable smaller. gcc-3.3.2. sean _________________________________________________________________ Share holiday photos without swamping your Inbox. Get MSN Extra Storage now! http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=features/es From david.balazic at hermes.si Mon Dec 1 08:33:17 2003 From: david.balazic at hermes.si (David Balazic) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 09:33:17 +0100 Subject: IDE write ordering ? Message-ID: <600B91D5E4B8D211A58C00902724252C01BC0461@piramida.hermes.si> But isn't the default on the majority of ATA drives to have write cache enabled ? Also the LKML thread at http://www.ussg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0304.1/0450.html is very informative. So my question is , how can one test if the journalled FS on his disk is actually working as it should or is it just waste of time and giving a false sense of safety ? Regards, David > ---------- > From: Alan Cox[SMTP:alan at redhat.com] > Reply To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com > Sent: 29. november 2003 1:46 > To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com > Subject: Re: IDE write ordering ? > > > The problem is , that is is hard to insure the wanted order of writes on > ATA > > disks. > > This is needed for journalled/logged filesystems for example. > > IDE drives don't provide write order controls. End of story. Ext3 doesn't > care about this providing the drive isn't caching writes, it just wants to > be sure that an I/O completed before it is told it has. You control that > with hdparm to alter write caching if you are really paranoid. > > Alan > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > From mbest at pendragon.org Mon Dec 1 17:38:00 2003 From: mbest at pendragon.org (mbest at pendragon.org) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 10:38:00 -0700 (MST) Subject: Fedora Core 1 AMD 64 Preview update. Message-ID: When I boot I have library shared object file errors. I checked that I have all the packages and that the md5 sums are okay. -Mike Dec 1 10:02:16 dynamic-176 cupsd: cupsd: error while loading shared libraries: libssl.so.4: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory Dec 1 10:02:17 dynamic-176 sendmail: /usr/sbin/sendmail: error while loading shared libraries: libssl.so.4: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory Dec 1 10:02:17 dynamic-176 sendmail: /usr/sbin/sendmail: error while loading shared libraries: libssl.so.4: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory Dec 1 10:02:20 dynamic-176 firstboot: /etc/X11/X: error while loading shared libraries: libpam.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory Dec 1 10:04:04 dynamic-176 cupsd: cupsd: error while loading shared libraries: libssl.so.4: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory Dec 1 10:04:05 dynamic-176 sendmail: /usr/sbin/sendmail: error while loading shared libraries: libssl.so.4: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory Dec 1 10:04:05 dynamic-176 sendmail: /usr/sbin/sendmail: error while loading shared libraries: libssl.so.4: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory Dec 1 10:04:08 dynamic-176 firstboot: /etc/X11/X: error while loading shared libraries: libpam.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory From blizzard at redhat.com Mon Dec 1 17:45:04 2003 From: blizzard at redhat.com (Christopher Blizzard) Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 12:45:04 -0500 Subject: Fedora Testing Update Notification: gaim 0.74-5 Message-ID: <3FCB7E20.4020405@redhat.com> --------------------------------------------------------------------- Fedora Testing Update Notification FEDORA-2003-027 2003-12-01 --------------------------------------------------------------------- Name : gaim Version : 0.74 Release : 5 Summary : A GTK+ clone of the AOL Instant Messenger client. Description : Gaim is a clone of America Online's Instant Messenger client. It features nearly all of the functionality of the official AIM client while also being smaller, faster, and commercial-free. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Update Information: This is an update to the gaim package to 0.74. This also fixes some sorting problems that people were seeing as well as some important MSN-reltaed fixes. --------------------------------------------------------------------- * Tue Nov 25 2003 Christopher Blizzard 1:0.74-0 - Upgrade to 0.74 - Include libao-devel and startup-notification-devel to the buildreq list * Mon Nov 03 2003 Christopher Blizzard 1:0.71-2 - Add gtk2-devel to the buildreq list. --------------------------------------------------------------------- This update can be downloaded from: http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/updates/testing/1/ d1649b883c1701807da113c890ecb059 SRPMS/gaim-0.74-5.src.rpm 9342cc7de0bde3f651ebb74645e55433 i386/gaim-0.74-5.i386.rpm 4e52a56bbb6da32484c08be6550f43eb i386/debug/gaim-debuginfo-0.74-5.i386.rpm This update can also be installed with the Update Agent; you can launch the Update Agent with the 'up2date' command. --------------------------------------------------------------------- -- ------------ Christopher Blizzard http://people.redhat.com/blizzard/ ------------ From tru at pasteur.fr Mon Dec 1 17:52:29 2003 From: tru at pasteur.fr (Tru Huynh) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 18:52:29 +0100 Subject: Fedora Core 1 AMD 64 Preview update. In-Reply-To: ; from mbest@pendragon.org on Mon, Dec 01, 2003 at 10:38:00AM -0700 References: Message-ID: <20031201185229.A15290@xiii.bis.pasteur.fr> On Mon, Dec 01, 2003 at 10:38:00AM -0700, mbest at pendragon.org wrote: > When I boot I have library shared object file errors. > hi, You probably have both 32 and 64 bit glibc installed. Or at least that were the symptoms I had while rebuilding RHEL3. [tru at AAAA lib64]$ ll /sbin/ldconfig -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 549488 Nov 24 03:48 /sbin/ldconfig [tru at AAAA lib64]$ rpm -qf /sbin/ldconfig glibc-2.3.2-95.6 glibc-2.3.2-95.6 [tru at AAAA lib64]$ rpm -qvl glibc| grep ldconfig -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 604329 Nov 25 03:04 /sbin/ldconfig -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 549488 Nov 24 03:48 /sbin/ldconfig [tru at AAAA lib64]$ rpm -qvl glibc.x86_64| grep ldconfig -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 604329 Nov 25 03:04 /sbin/ldconfig Just boot into single user and resinstall the glibc x86_64 package to get the 64 bit /sbin/ldconfig instead of the 32 bit. Meanwhile: cd /lib64 ln -s libcrypto.so.0.9.7a libcrypto.so.4 ln -s libcrypto.so.0.9.6b libcrypto.so.2 ln -s libssl.so.0.9.6b libssl.so.2 ln -s libssl.so.0.9.7a libssl.so.4 ln -s libpam.so.0.75 libpam.so.0 ln -s libpam_misc.so.0.75 libpam_misc.so.0 ln -s libpamc.so.0.75 libpamc.so.0 cd /usr/lib64 ln -s libuser.so libuser.so.1 Tru -- Dr Tru Huynh | http://www.pasteur.fr/recherche/unites/Binfs/ mailto:tru at pasteur.fr | tel/fax +33 1 45 68 87 37/19 Institut Pasteur, 25-28 rue du Docteur Roux, 75724 Paris CEDEX 15 France From mark at harddata.com Mon Dec 1 18:27:45 2003 From: mark at harddata.com (Mark Lane) Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 11:27:45 -0700 Subject: Fedora Core 1 AMD 64 Preview update. Getting Yum to work In-Reply-To: <20031129061747.GA5277@comcast.net> References: <600B91D5E4B8D211A58C00902724252C01BC0460@piramida.hermes.si> <20031129061747.GA5277@comcast.net> Message-ID: <1070303265.1605.7.camel@dynamic-171.harddata.net> Okay, I am having a problem with yum. I ran yum-arch on the new 64 tree to make a yum repository which worked fine it seems. My problem is that when I run yum check-update or yum list it is only listing i386 and noarch packages and no the x86_64 packages and still lists i386 as the basearch. regards, -- Mark Lane, CET mailto:mark at harddata.com Hard Data Ltd. http://www.harddata.com T: 01-780-456-9771 F: 01-780-456-9772 11060 - 166 Avenue Edmonton, AB, Canada, T5X 1Y3 --> Ask me about our Excellent 1U Systems! <-- From imoq at imoqland.com Mon Dec 1 18:44:41 2003 From: imoq at imoqland.com (Alejandro =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Gonz=E1lez_Hern=E1ndez?= - Imoq) Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 12:44:41 -0600 Subject: Fedora Testing Update Notification: gaim 0.74-5 In-Reply-To: <3FCB7E20.4020405@redhat.com> References: <3FCB7E20.4020405@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1070304280.18096.19.camel@imoqland.morelos.gob.mx> On Mon, 2003-12-01 at 11:45, Christopher Blizzard wrote: > This update can be downloaded from: > http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/updates/testing/1/ > > d1649b883c1701807da113c890ecb059 SRPMS/gaim-0.74-5.src.rpm > 9342cc7de0bde3f651ebb74645e55433 i386/gaim-0.74-5.i386.rpm > 4e52a56bbb6da32484c08be6550f43eb i386/debug/gaim-debuginfo-0.74-5.i386.rpm I can only see the .src.rpm but the binaries are missed. (This is, at 12:45, GMT-0600). Cheers, Alex. -- ?S? libre, usa software libre! Be free, use free software! http://www.imoqland.com/ From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Mon Dec 1 18:49:34 2003 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: 01 Dec 2003 13:49:34 -0500 Subject: Fedora Core 1 AMD 64 Preview update. Getting Yum to work In-Reply-To: <1070303265.1605.7.camel@dynamic-171.harddata.net> References: <600B91D5E4B8D211A58C00902724252C01BC0460@piramida.hermes.si> <20031129061747.GA5277@comcast.net> <1070303265.1605.7.camel@dynamic-171.harddata.net> Message-ID: <1070304574.24077.11.camel@opus> On Mon, 2003-12-01 at 13:27, Mark Lane wrote: > Okay, > > I am having a problem with yum. I ran yum-arch on the new 64 tree to > make a yum repository which worked fine it seems. > > My problem is that when I run yum check-update or yum list it is only > listing i386 and noarch packages and no the x86_64 packages and still > lists i386 as the basearch. linux.duke.edu/download/2.0/daily/ use the latest one from there. it should work. -sv From mbest at pendragon.org Mon Dec 1 19:08:15 2003 From: mbest at pendragon.org (mbest at pendragon.org) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 12:08:15 -0700 (MST) Subject: Fedora Core 1 AMD 64 Preview update. In-Reply-To: <20031201185229.A15290@xiii.bis.pasteur.fr> References: <20031201185229.A15290@xiii.bis.pasteur.fr> Message-ID: On Mon, 1 Dec 2003, Tru Huynh wrote: > You probably have both 32 and 64 bit glibc installed. > Or at least that were the symptoms I had while rebuilding RHEL3. That seems to be the case. I couldn't reinstall the packages as I installed via the network. Login wasn't working in runlevel 3. And I didn't seem to be having any luck with mount for NFS or ssh (which needed libraries as well). My quick solution seemed to get me up and running the quickest: I added /usr/lib64 /usr/lib /lib64 /lib to /etc/ld.so.conf and ran ldconfig ld.so.conf: /usr/lib64 /usr/lib /lib64 /lib /usr/X11R6/lib64 /usr/lib64/sane /usr/X11R6/lib /usr/lib64/qt-3.1/lib These are all the directories called lib64 that I could find: $ find / -name "lib64" -type d /usr/lib64 /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/locale/lib64 /usr/X11R6/lib64 /usr/X11R6/LessTif/Motif1.2/lib64 /usr/local/lib64 /lib64 I don't know what the best practice should be in this case whether this is an installer problem (it should install them in the right order) or if when you install the compatibility libs that it should modify ld.so.conf as you might add the 32-bit compat libs later when you need it. -Mike From nbecker at hns.com Mon Dec 1 19:21:04 2003 From: nbecker at hns.com (Neal D. Becker) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 14:21:04 -0500 Subject: kmail pgp plugin problem Message-ID: <200312011421.04594.nbecker@hns.com> I have fedora1 with everything. I also grabbed gpgme and gpgme03. When I open a signed message with kmail I get this message: Message was signed with unknown key. The validity of the signature cannot be verified. Problem: OpenPGP plug-in was not specified. Use the 'Settings->Configure KMail->Security' dialog to specify the plug-in or ask your system administrator to do that for you. What do I need to do to get this working correctly? I already tried going to security/plugins and pointing it at /usr/lib/libgpgme.so and /usr/lib/libgpgme.so.6, but either of them gives an error when kmail is restarted. From mailinglists at andreas-mueller.com Mon Dec 1 19:38:28 2003 From: mailinglists at andreas-mueller.com (Andreas Mueller) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 20:38:28 +0100 Subject: kmail pgp plugin problem In-Reply-To: <200312011421.04594.nbecker@hns.com> References: <200312011421.04594.nbecker@hns.com> Message-ID: <200312012038.28871@andreas-mueller.com> Hello, Neal D. Becker wrote: > I have fedora1 with everything. I also grabbed gpgme and gpgme03. When I > open a signed message with kmail I get this message: > > Message was signed with unknown key. > The validity of the signature cannot be verified. > Problem: OpenPGP plug-in was not specified. > Use the 'Settings->Configure KMail->Security' dialog to specify the plug-in > or ask your system administrator to do that for you. > > What do I need to do to get this working correctly? I already tried going > to security/plugins and pointing it at /usr/lib/libgpgme.so and > /usr/lib/libgpgme.so.6, but either of them gives an error when kmail is > restarted. I found a working HOWTO: http://kmail.kde.org/kmail-pgpmime-howto.html The packages mentionend there are all available from fedora.us with apt or yum, you will need all of them to get PGP/MIME working. Regards, Andreas From paul.morgan at jumanjihouse.com Mon Dec 1 20:05:59 2003 From: paul.morgan at jumanjihouse.com (Paul Morgan) Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 14:05:59 -0600 Subject: RFE: e3 micro text editor Message-ID: <1070309158.813.29.camel@vaio.jumanjihouse.com> I have filed a request for enhancement: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=111288 Please add your comments to the bugzilla entry to express your strong opinions either way. The RFE asks to include e3---which is GPL'd---as an [optional] component to FC. e3 can use EMACS-, Pico, Nedit, or vi-like key bindings, whichever the user chooses. The executable code size is between 3.8K and 34K, depending on assembler options, platform, etc. This makes it a good choice for a rescue environment or minimal installation. If e3 were part of the "pure" FC distribution, people would feel more comfortable using e3 as part of a vanilla FC rescue or minimal environment. I came across this editor while working with the LEAF (linux embedded appliance firewall) distro. TIA, Paul From nbecker at hns.com Mon Dec 1 20:38:47 2003 From: nbecker at hns.com (Neal D. Becker) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 15:38:47 -0500 Subject: kmail pgp plugin problem In-Reply-To: <200312012038.28871@andreas-mueller.com> References: <200312011421.04594.nbecker@hns.com> <200312012038.28871@andreas-mueller.com> Message-ID: <200312011538.47558.nbecker@hns.com> On Monday 01 December 2003 14:38, Andreas Mueller wrote: > Hello, > > Neal D. Becker wrote: > > I have fedora1 with everything. I also grabbed gpgme and gpgme03. When > > I > > open a signed message with kmail I get this message: > > Message was signed with unknown key. > > The validity of the signature cannot be verified. > > Problem: OpenPGP plug-in was not specified. > > Use the 'Settings->Configure KMail->Security' dialog to specify the > > plug-in or > > ask your system administrator to do that for you. > > > What do I need to do to get this working correctly? I already tried > > going to > > security/plugins and pointing it at /usr/lib/libgpgme.so and > > > /usr/lib/libgpgme.so.6, but either of them gives an error when kmail is > > restarted. > > I found a working HOWTO: > http://kmail.kde.org/kmail-pgpmime-howto.html > The packages mentionend there are all available from fedora.us with apt or > yum, you will need all of them to get PGP/MIME working. > Thanks. The only one I'm missing seems to be cryptplug. It doesn't seem to be in any of my yum sources, can you suggest where to find it? Here's what yum says: (this is fedora1 + fedora stable + fedora testing + updates + livna sources): yum info cryptplug Gathering header information file(s) from server(s) Server: Red Hat Linux 1 (i386) Server: Fedora Linux / stable for Red Hat Linux 1 (i386) Server: Fedora Linux / testing for Red Hat Linux 1 (i386) Server: Red Hat Linux 1 (i386) updates Server: Fedora Compatible Packages (stable) Server: Fedora Compatible Packages (testing) Server: Fedora Compatible Packages (unstable) Server: Macromedia Flash Player for Red Hat Linux 1 Finding updated packages Downloading needed headers Looking in Available Packages: Looking in Installed Packages: From nosp at xades.com Mon Dec 1 20:50:49 2003 From: nosp at xades.com (nosp) Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 20:50:49 +0000 Subject: RFE: e3 micro text editor In-Reply-To: <1070309158.813.29.camel@vaio.jumanjihouse.com> References: <1070309158.813.29.camel@vaio.jumanjihouse.com> Message-ID: <1070311849.15014.67.camel@earth.xades.com> On Mon, 2003-12-01 at 20:05, Paul Morgan wrote: > I have filed a request for enhancement: > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=111288 [...] > The RFE asks to include e3---which is GPL'd---as an [optional] component > to FC. e3 can use EMACS-, Pico, Nedit, or vi-like key bindings, > whichever the user chooses. That's a lot of bindings. Sounds like a very cool editor. > If e3 were part of the "pure" FC distribution, people would feel more > comfortable using e3 as part of a vanilla FC rescue or minimal > environment. The bugzilla comment from Bill Nottingham indicates this might not get in. Have you thought about getting it into Fedora Extras? From mark at harddata.com Mon Dec 1 20:51:46 2003 From: mark at harddata.com (Mark Lane) Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 13:51:46 -0700 Subject: Making Yum Repositories Message-ID: <1070311906.1605.42.camel@dynamic-171.harddata.net> Okay, I must be missing something here. The newest daily snapshot of yum did fix my problem with basearch and I was able to build an yum repository of the Fedora Core 1 64 perview tree. That seems to be working fine. I have some packages that I build for x86_64 based on some freshrpms srpms and was trying to build a repository from them. The repository seems to be there but when I running a "yum list", none of the packages show up. Now I have run yum-arch on the directory and have the header files. Does anyone know what I have done wrong. regards, -- Mark Lane, CET mailto:mark at harddata.com Hard Data Ltd. http://www.harddata.com T: 01-780-456-9771 F: 01-780-456-9772 11060 - 166 Avenue Edmonton, AB, Canada, T5X 1Y3 --> Ask me about our Excellent 1U Systems! <-- From mailinglists at andreas-mueller.com Mon Dec 1 20:58:07 2003 From: mailinglists at andreas-mueller.com (Andreas Mueller) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 21:58:07 +0100 Subject: kmail pgp plugin problem In-Reply-To: <200312011538.47558.nbecker@hns.com> References: <200312011421.04594.nbecker@hns.com> <200312012038.28871@andreas-mueller.com> <200312011538.47558.nbecker@hns.com> Message-ID: <200312012158.07352@andreas-mueller.com> Neal D. Becker wrote: > On Monday 01 December 2003 14:38, Andreas Mueller wrote: > > Thanks. The only one I'm missing seems to be cryptplug. It doesn't seem > to be in any of my yum sources, can you suggest where to find it? > Here's what yum says: > (this is fedora1 + fedora stable + fedora testing + updates + livna > sources): > > yum info cryptplug > Gathering header information file(s) from server(s) > Server: Red Hat Linux 1 (i386) > Server: Fedora Linux / stable for Red Hat Linux 1 (i386) > Server: Fedora Linux / testing for Red Hat Linux 1 (i386) > Server: Red Hat Linux 1 (i386) updates > Server: Fedora Compatible Packages (stable) > Server: Fedora Compatible Packages (testing) > Server: Fedora Compatible Packages (unstable) > Server: Macromedia Flash Player for Red Hat Linux 1 > Finding updated packages > Downloading needed headers > Looking in Available Packages: > > Looking in Installed Packages: Oh, I still use the Red Hat 9 package of cryptplug, but it seems to work fine. Regards, Andreas. From paul.morgan at jumanjihouse.com Mon Dec 1 21:05:50 2003 From: paul.morgan at jumanjihouse.com (Paul Morgan) Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 15:05:50 -0600 Subject: RFE: e3 micro text editor In-Reply-To: <1070311849.15014.67.camel@earth.xades.com> References: <1070309158.813.29.camel@vaio.jumanjihouse.com> <1070311849.15014.67.camel@earth.xades.com> Message-ID: <1070312749.1405.5.camel@vaio.jumanjihouse.com> On Mon, 2003-12-01 at 14:50, nosp wrote: > The bugzilla comment from Bill Nottingham indicates this might not get > in. Bill's the man, but there is this note about portability: e3c, a C equivalent for all other platforms, for example on other RISC CPU like ALPHA. > Have you thought about getting it into Fedora Extras? No, but that's a good approach. I'll grepmail the archives for the procedure...or do you know who I should suggest it to? From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Mon Dec 1 21:21:59 2003 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: 01 Dec 2003 16:21:59 -0500 Subject: Making Yum Repositories In-Reply-To: <1070311906.1605.42.camel@dynamic-171.harddata.net> References: <1070311906.1605.42.camel@dynamic-171.harddata.net> Message-ID: <1070313719.28903.0.camel@opus> > I have some packages that I build for x86_64 based on some freshrpms > srpms and was trying to build a repository from them. The repository > seems to be there but when I running a "yum list", none of the packages > show up. Now I have run yum-arch on the directory and have the header > files. Does anyone know what I have done wrong. are you using the yum version on the client too? -sv From mark at harddata.com Mon Dec 1 21:21:30 2003 From: mark at harddata.com (Mark Lane) Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 14:21:30 -0700 Subject: Making Yum Repositories In-Reply-To: <1070313719.28903.0.camel@opus> References: <1070311906.1605.42.camel@dynamic-171.harddata.net> <1070313719.28903.0.camel@opus> Message-ID: <1070313690.1605.47.camel@dynamic-171.harddata.net> On Mon, 2003-12-01 at 14:21, seth vidal wrote: > > I have some packages that I build for x86_64 based on some freshrpms > > srpms and was trying to build a repository from them. The repository > > seems to be there but when I running a "yum list", none of the packages > > show up. Now I have run yum-arch on the directory and have the header > > files. Does anyone know what I have done wrong. > > are you using the yum version on the client too? > The client machine happens to be same as the server so yes they are running the same version. regards. -- Mark Lane, CET mailto:mark at harddata.com Hard Data Ltd. http://www.harddata.com T: 01-780-456-9771 F: 01-780-456-9772 11060 - 166 Avenue Edmonton, AB, Canada, T5X 1Y3 --> Ask me about our Excellent 1U Systems! <-- From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Mon Dec 1 21:28:58 2003 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: 01 Dec 2003 16:28:58 -0500 Subject: Making Yum Repositories In-Reply-To: <1070313690.1605.47.camel@dynamic-171.harddata.net> References: <1070311906.1605.42.camel@dynamic-171.harddata.net> <1070313719.28903.0.camel@opus> <1070313690.1605.47.camel@dynamic-171.harddata.net> Message-ID: <1070314138.28903.2.camel@opus> On Mon, 2003-12-01 at 16:21, Mark Lane wrote: > On Mon, 2003-12-01 at 14:21, seth vidal wrote: > > > I have some packages that I build for x86_64 based on some freshrpms > > > srpms and was trying to build a repository from them. The repository > > > seems to be there but when I running a "yum list", none of the packages > > > show up. Now I have run yum-arch on the directory and have the header > > > files. Does anyone know what I have done wrong. > > > > are you using the yum version on the client too? > > > The client machine happens to be same as the server so yes they are > running the same version. and you've cleared out your /var/cache/yum directories, right? -sv From mark at harddata.com Mon Dec 1 21:38:20 2003 From: mark at harddata.com (Mark Lane) Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 14:38:20 -0700 Subject: Making Yum Repositories In-Reply-To: <1070314138.28903.2.camel@opus> References: <1070311906.1605.42.camel@dynamic-171.harddata.net> <1070313719.28903.0.camel@opus> <1070313690.1605.47.camel@dynamic-171.harddata.net> <1070314138.28903.2.camel@opus> Message-ID: <1070314700.1605.59.camel@dynamic-171.harddata.net> On Mon, 2003-12-01 at 14:28, seth vidal wrote: > On Mon, 2003-12-01 at 16:21, Mark Lane wrote: > > On Mon, 2003-12-01 at 14:21, seth vidal wrote: > > > > I have some packages that I build for x86_64 based on some freshrpms > > > > srpms and was trying to build a repository from them. The repository > > > > seems to be there but when I running a "yum list", none of the packages > > > > show up. Now I have run yum-arch on the directory and have the header > > > > files. Does anyone know what I have done wrong. > > > > > > are you using the yum version on the client too? > > > > > The client machine happens to be same as the server so yes they are > > running the same version. > > and you've cleared out your /var/cache/yum directories, right? > Yes I ran "yum clean all" no difference. BTW I am running yum-2.0.4-20031121 from Duke's daily snap shots. -- Mark Lane, CET mailto:mark at harddata.com Hard Data Ltd. http://www.harddata.com T: 01-780-456-9771 F: 01-780-456-9772 11060 - 166 Avenue Edmonton, AB, Canada, T5X 1Y3 --> Ask me about our Excellent 1U Systems! <-- From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Mon Dec 1 21:55:22 2003 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: 01 Dec 2003 16:55:22 -0500 Subject: Making Yum Repositories In-Reply-To: <1070314700.1605.59.camel@dynamic-171.harddata.net> References: <1070311906.1605.42.camel@dynamic-171.harddata.net> <1070313719.28903.0.camel@opus> <1070313690.1605.47.camel@dynamic-171.harddata.net> <1070314138.28903.2.camel@opus> <1070314700.1605.59.camel@dynamic-171.harddata.net> Message-ID: <1070315721.28903.7.camel@opus> > Yes I ran "yum clean all" no difference. BTW I am running > yum-2.0.4-20031121 from Duke's daily snap shots. run yum -d 6 list and post the output to bugzilla at: https://devel.linux.duke.edu/bugzilla/ -sv From mark at harddata.com Mon Dec 1 22:10:16 2003 From: mark at harddata.com (Mark Lane) Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 15:10:16 -0700 Subject: Making Yum Repositories In-Reply-To: <1070315721.28903.7.camel@opus> References: <1070311906.1605.42.camel@dynamic-171.harddata.net> <1070313719.28903.0.camel@opus> <1070313690.1605.47.camel@dynamic-171.harddata.net> <1070314138.28903.2.camel@opus> <1070314700.1605.59.camel@dynamic-171.harddata.net> <1070315721.28903.7.camel@opus> Message-ID: <1070316616.1605.70.camel@dynamic-171.harddata.net> On Mon, 2003-12-01 at 14:55, seth vidal wrote: > > Yes I ran "yum clean all" no difference. BTW I am running > > yum-2.0.4-20031121 from Duke's daily snap shots. > > > run yum -d 6 list > > and post the output to bugzilla at: > > https://devel.linux.duke.edu/bugzilla/ > Thanks for your help. I have found out what were I went wrong. I mistakenly thought that "yum list" showed all available packages. It only shows all uninstalled packages and all the packages in that repository were installed. -- Mark Lane, CET mailto:mark at harddata.com Hard Data Ltd. http://www.harddata.com T: 01-780-456-9771 F: 01-780-456-9772 11060 - 166 Avenue Edmonton, AB, Canada, T5X 1Y3 --> Ask me about our Excellent 1U Systems! <-- From rhl at farorbit.com Mon Dec 1 23:05:27 2003 From: rhl at farorbit.com (stephan schutter) Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 17:05:27 -0600 Subject: kick start... Message-ID: <3FCBC937.8030103@farorbit.com> I have been playing around with kick start... and for some reason it refuses to do anything after the %post entry??!!! Why? What have I done wrong? Is this the intended behaviour? ks.cfg: #Generated by Kickstart Configurator #System language lang en_US #Language modules to install langsupport --default=en_US #System keyboard keyboard us #System mouse mouse #Sytem timezone timezone America/Chicago #Root password rootpw --iscrypted $1$mKH58VeQ$eCZkW0Os1IaysoI/Pt3gM. #Reboot after installation reboot #Install Red Hat Linux instead of upgrade install #Use Web installation url --url http://ttcpkg01/src/FC1 #System bootloader configuration bootloader --location=mbr #Clear the Master Boot Record zerombr yes #Partition clearing information clearpart --all --initlabel #Disk partitioning information part swap --recommended part / --fstype ext3 --size 1 --grow #System authorization infomation auth --useshadow --enablemd5 #Firewall configuration firewall --enabled --ssh #XWindows configuration information xconfig --depth=16 --resolution=1024x768 --defaultdesktop=GNOME --startxonboot #Run the Setup Agent on first boot firstboot --reconfig #Package install information %packages --resolvedeps @ GNOME Desktop Environment @ Administration Tools @ System Tools @ Printing Support bash %post cat > /etc/resolv.conf <>/etc/apt/sources.list mkdir /etc/apt/gpg wget http://rpm.livna.org/RPM-LIVNA-GPG-KEY --directory-prefix=/etc/apt/gpg/RPM-LIVNA-GPG-KEY rpm --import /etc/apt/gpg/RPM-LIVNA-GPG-KEY apt-get update # update the rpm lists... #install some favorites off the web... (MP3 decoder, DVD Players, Media Players etc...) apt-get -y install synaptic # graphical front end to apt... apt-get clean # clean up dowloaded files so they do not take up space... From rhl at farorbit.com Mon Dec 1 23:06:17 2003 From: rhl at farorbit.com (stephan schutter) Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 17:06:17 -0600 Subject: CD burning software Message-ID: <3FCBC969.5030408@farorbit.com> Is anyone opposed to including K3B (both SuSE and mandrake have it); it is the only CD burning software that can compare with the commercial applications out there. It looks like ROXIO Easy CD Creator and works like it. The Cd software included in Fedora requires root access (absurd, users should be able to use the software to duplicate and burn music CDs etc.). From notting at redhat.com Mon Dec 1 23:06:31 2003 From: notting at redhat.com (Bill Nottingham) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 18:06:31 -0500 Subject: RFE: e3 micro text editor In-Reply-To: <1070312749.1405.5.camel@vaio.jumanjihouse.com> References: <1070309158.813.29.camel@vaio.jumanjihouse.com> <1070311849.15014.67.camel@earth.xades.com> <1070312749.1405.5.camel@vaio.jumanjihouse.com> Message-ID: <20031201230631.GB6720@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Paul Morgan (paul.morgan at jumanjihouse.com) said: > On Mon, 2003-12-01 at 14:50, nosp wrote: > > The bugzilla comment from Bill Nottingham indicates this might not get > > in. > > Bill's the man, but there is this note about portability: > > e3c, a C equivalent for all other platforms, for example on other RISC > CPU like ALPHA. > Looking at the source code, the C version had less fearures. ... This e3c does support WS key bindings only, based on e3 version 0.6 . ... Bill From whooperhsd3 at earthlink.net Mon Dec 1 23:22:13 2003 From: whooperhsd3 at earthlink.net (William Hooper) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 18:22:13 -0500 (EST) Subject: CD burning software In-Reply-To: <3FCBC969.5030408@farorbit.com> References: <3FCBC969.5030408@farorbit.com> Message-ID: <64919.69.68.37.57.1070320933.squirrel@69.68.37.57> stephan schutter said: > The Cd software included in Fedora requires root access > (absurd, users should be able to use the software to duplicate and burn > music CDs etc.). Assuming you are talking about X-CDRoast, it doesn't require root. http://www.xcdroast.org/xcdr098/faq-a15.html#11 -- William Hooper From nosp at xades.com Mon Dec 1 23:34:24 2003 From: nosp at xades.com (nosp) Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 23:34:24 +0000 Subject: CD burning software In-Reply-To: <64919.69.68.37.57.1070320933.squirrel@69.68.37.57> References: <3FCBC969.5030408@farorbit.com> <64919.69.68.37.57.1070320933.squirrel@69.68.37.57> Message-ID: <1070321664.18734.10.camel@earth.xades.com> On Mon, 2003-12-01 at 23:22, William Hooper wrote: > stephan schutter said: > > The Cd software included in Fedora requires root access > > (absurd, users should be able to use the software to duplicate and burn > > music CDs etc.). > > Assuming you are talking about X-CDRoast, it doesn't require root. > > http://www.xcdroast.org/xcdr098/faq-a15.html#11 the helper apps of k3b & X-CDRoast and others require root access -- the cdrecord & other binaries have to be setuid & owned by root. k3b has a nice way of making that change for you that the other apps lack, so it may seem like "k3b doesn't require root". I think that's what the OP should have meant. From alan at redhat.com Mon Dec 1 23:36:21 2003 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 18:36:21 -0500 Subject: IDE write ordering ? In-Reply-To: <600B91D5E4B8D211A58C00902724252C01BC0461@piramida.hermes.si> References: <600B91D5E4B8D211A58C00902724252C01BC0461@piramida.hermes.si> Message-ID: <20031201233621.GA18817@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Mon, Dec 01, 2003 at 09:33:17AM +0100, David Balazic wrote: > But isn't the default on the majority of ATA drives to have write cache > enabled ? Yes. > is very informative. > So my question is , how can one test if the journalled FS on his disk is > actually working > as it should or is it just waste of time and giving a false sense of safety Its extremely hard to do because you need fairly complex tools to ensure outstanding I/O during a sudden power off and out of order drive writeback etc From area214 at sbcglobal.net Tue Dec 2 01:09:39 2003 From: area214 at sbcglobal.net (area214) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 19:09:39 -0600 Subject: Fedora install using Linux 9 bootdisk.img Message-ID: <02ca01c3b870$f78f08a0$027ffea9@satis> As I understand on installing Fedora, one uses the same bootdisk.img file for booting the install from a 3.5 diskette as for installing Redhat Linux 9. I installed Linux 9 using the install from harddrive option which worked. Now when I try this with Fedora giving the install program "/linux" (the files are located on my windows c: drive where Linux 9 had been located) the install can't locate the files. Is there something else I need to do? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rhl at farorbit.com Tue Dec 2 03:18:04 2003 From: rhl at farorbit.com (stephan schutter) Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 21:18:04 -0600 Subject: CD burning software In-Reply-To: <1070321664.18734.10.camel@earth.xades.com> References: <3FCBC969.5030408@farorbit.com> <64919.69.68.37.57.1070320933.squirrel@69.68.37.57> <1070321664.18734.10.camel@earth.xades.com> Message-ID: <3FCC046C.2090000@farorbit.com> You are indeed correct! I do understand the underlying reasons for why it works that way... but my granny don't -- so to speak. Fedora's ultimate goal is to be a desktop solution and a challenge to MS right? In this light the end user experience is essential; that is why I was asking. nosp wrote: >On Mon, 2003-12-01 at 23:22, William Hooper wrote: > > >>stephan schutter said: >> >> >>>The Cd software included in Fedora requires root access >>>(absurd, users should be able to use the software to duplicate and burn >>>music CDs etc.). >>> >>> >>Assuming you are talking about X-CDRoast, it doesn't require root. >> >>http://www.xcdroast.org/xcdr098/faq-a15.html#11 >> >> > >the helper apps of k3b & X-CDRoast and others require root access -- the >cdrecord & other binaries have to be setuid & owned by root. k3b has a >nice way of making that change for you that the other apps lack, so it >may seem like "k3b doesn't require root". I think that's what the OP >should have meant. > > >-- >fedora-test-list mailing list >fedora-test-list at redhat.com >http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > From fedora-list at planetmirror.com Tue Dec 2 05:39:22 2003 From: fedora-list at planetmirror.com (Dan Goodes) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 15:39:22 +1000 (EST) Subject: CD burning software In-Reply-To: <3FCC046C.2090000@farorbit.com> References: <3FCBC969.5030408@farorbit.com> <64919.69.68.37.57.1070320933.squirrel@69.68.37.57> <1070321664.18734.10.camel@earth.xades.com> <3FCC046C.2090000@farorbit.com> Message-ID: Just to add my $0.02 here, I'd like to add that I agree whole-heartedly with you about k3b vs. existing CD burning tools. I consider myself to be a fairly savvy linux user, not advanced, but I can hold my own in a battle of wits with the beast. I had no luck at all using Gtoaster or XCDRoast, and what made matters worse was that there was no easy-to-get-to doco for it. When I installed FC1 I went to a KDE environment, and installed K3B. with very little tweaking, I was able to burn CDs quite happily. Even after upgrading to a 2.6-test kernel, a quick fidget with some settings and I was still able to burn CDs quite happily. So to that end, this end user's experience ith k3b has been awesome. :) -Dan On Mon, 1 Dec 2003, stephan schutter wrote: > You are indeed correct! I do understand the underlying reasons for why > it works that way... but my granny don't -- so to speak. Fedora's > ultimate goal is to be a desktop solution and a challenge to MS right? > In this light the end user experience is essential; that is why I was > asking. > > > nosp wrote: > > >On Mon, 2003-12-01 at 23:22, William Hooper wrote: > > > > > >>stephan schutter said: > >> > >> > >>>The Cd software included in Fedora requires root access > >>>(absurd, users should be able to use the software to duplicate and burn > >>>music CDs etc.). > >>> > >>> > >>Assuming you are talking about X-CDRoast, it doesn't require root. > >> > >>http://www.xcdroast.org/xcdr098/faq-a15.html#11 > >> > >> > > > >the helper apps of k3b & X-CDRoast and others require root access -- the > >cdrecord & other binaries have to be setuid & owned by root. k3b has a > >nice way of making that change for you that the other apps lack, so it > >may seem like "k3b doesn't require root". I think that's what the OP > >should have meant. > > > > > >-- > >fedora-test-list mailing list > >fedora-test-list at redhat.com > >http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > > > > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > Regards, Dan Goodes : Systems Programmer : dang at planetmirror.com Help support PlanetMirror - Australia's largest Internet archive by signing up for PlanetMirror Premium : http://planetmirror.com From dax at gurulabs.com Tue Dec 2 07:55:39 2003 From: dax at gurulabs.com (Dax Kelson) Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 00:55:39 -0700 Subject: FC2 and general LDAP Support In-Reply-To: <200311260801.06733.nbecker@hns.com> References: <3FC48BF0.60005@israel-jugendtag.ch> <200311260801.06733.nbecker@hns.com> Message-ID: <1070351739.3234.115.camel@mentor.gurulabs.com> On Wed, 2003-11-26 at 06:01, Neal D. Becker wrote: > I'm curious about moving to LDAP server (currently using rdist to sync > passwords and groups), but I still haven't found a simple step-by-step guide > to setting up the LDAP server and copying password and group data to it. > AFAICT, the only existing howtos are so general that I can't tell what to do. The Guru Labs "ldapmigrate" script can be used to import your /etc files into your LDAP directory. It is cleaner, smaller and has other advantages over the PADL scripts. You can obtain it at: http://www.GuruLabs.com/downloads.html The prerequisite is that you have your OpenLDAP server securely, and properly setup. Dax Kelson Guru Labs From alexl at redhat.com Tue Dec 2 08:37:23 2003 From: alexl at redhat.com (Alexander Larsson) Date: 02 Dec 2003 09:37:23 +0100 Subject: CD burning software In-Reply-To: <3FCBC969.5030408@farorbit.com> References: <3FCBC969.5030408@farorbit.com> Message-ID: <1070354243.19768.216.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2003-12-02 at 00:06, stephan schutter wrote: > Is anyone opposed to including K3B (both SuSE and mandrake have it); it > is the only CD burning software that can compare with the commercial > applications out there. It looks like ROXIO Easy CD Creator and works > like it. The Cd software included in Fedora requires root access > (absurd, users should be able to use the software to duplicate and burn > music CDs etc.). kudzu is supposed to detect your cd writer and generate /dev/cdwriter* symlinks. These are supposed to be made user writable by consolehelper on console login, so cdburning without root should be possible. This is supposed to work, if it doesn't, report a bug. Having to make cdrecord setuid root seems like a security hole waiting to happen. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Alexander Larsson Red Hat, Inc alexl at redhat.com alla at lysator.liu.se He's a fast talking drug-addicted assassin on the run. She's a green-fingered psychic traffic cop looking for love in all the wrong places. They fight crime! From david.balazic at hermes.si Tue Dec 2 09:02:32 2003 From: david.balazic at hermes.si (David Balazic) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 10:02:32 +0100 Subject: IDE write ordering ? Message-ID: <600B91D5E4B8D211A58C00902724252C01BC0464@piramida.hermes.si> > On Mon, Dec 01, 2003 at 09:33:17AM +0100, David Balazic wrote: > > But isn't the default on the majority of ATA drives to have write cache > > enabled ? > > Yes. > > > is very informative. > > So my question is , how can one test if the journalled FS on his disk is > > actually working > > as it should or is it just waste of time and giving a false sense of > safety > > Its extremely hard to do because you need fairly complex tools to ensure > outstanding I/O during a sudden power off and out of order drive writeback > etc > Is write caching turned of in case of journalled filesystems ? Or is that left as an exercise to the reader ? > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > From alan at redhat.com Tue Dec 2 12:34:32 2003 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 07:34:32 -0500 Subject: IDE write ordering ? In-Reply-To: <600B91D5E4B8D211A58C00902724252C01BC0464@piramida.hermes.si> References: <600B91D5E4B8D211A58C00902724252C01BC0464@piramida.hermes.si> Message-ID: <20031202123432.GB5575@devserv.devel.redhat.com> > Is write caching turned of in case of journalled filesystems ? > Or is that left as an exercise to the reader ? It is left in the state it was before. From david.balazic at hermes.si Tue Dec 2 12:38:03 2003 From: david.balazic at hermes.si (David Balazic) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 13:38:03 +0100 Subject: IDE write ordering ? Message-ID: <600B91D5E4B8D211A58C00902724252C01BC0469@piramida.hermes.si> So to have a j-fs to really be fsck safe, I have to turn off write caching ? > ---------- > From: Alan Cox[SMTP:alan at redhat.com] > Reply To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com > Sent: 2. december 2003 13:34 > To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com > Subject: Re: IDE write ordering ? > > > Is write caching turned of in case of journalled filesystems ? > > Or is that left as an exercise to the reader ? > > It is left in the state it was before. > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > From alan at redhat.com Tue Dec 2 12:44:59 2003 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 07:44:59 -0500 Subject: IDE write ordering ? In-Reply-To: <600B91D5E4B8D211A58C00902724252C01BC0469@piramida.hermes.si> References: <600B91D5E4B8D211A58C00902724252C01BC0469@piramida.hermes.si> Message-ID: <20031202124459.GA11183@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Tue, Dec 02, 2003 at 01:38:03PM +0100, David Balazic wrote: > So to have a j-fs to really be fsck safe, I have to turn off write caching ? If you want to be really paranoid then yes for current ATA. The next generation specification allows certain I/O to bypass the caches so at that point it can become nicer The same applies for some databases if you are paranoid too From david.balazic at hermes.si Tue Dec 2 12:49:50 2003 From: david.balazic at hermes.si (David Balazic) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 13:49:50 +0100 Subject: IDE write ordering ? Message-ID: <600B91D5E4B8D211A58C00902724252C01BC046A@piramida.hermes.si> Would fsck ( or maybe some other tool? ) detect if this problem had happened ? ( that is , consistency problems due to re-ordered writes around the moment of failure, like power-outage ) Regards, David > ---------- > From: Alan Cox[SMTP:alan at redhat.com] > Reply To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com > Sent: 2. december 2003 13:44 > To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com > Subject: Re: IDE write ordering ? > > On Tue, Dec 02, 2003 at 01:38:03PM +0100, David Balazic wrote: > > So to have a j-fs to really be fsck safe, I have to turn off write > caching ? > > If you want to be really paranoid then yes for current ATA. The next > generation > specification allows certain I/O to bypass the caches so at that point it > can become nicer > > The same applies for some databases if you are paranoid too > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > From dstewart at atl.lmco.com Tue Dec 2 13:12:27 2003 From: dstewart at atl.lmco.com (Douglas Stewart) Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 08:12:27 -0500 Subject: CD burning software In-Reply-To: References: <3FCBC969.5030408@farorbit.com> <64919.69.68.37.57.1070320933.squirrel@69.68.37.57> <1070321664.18734.10.camel@earth.xades.com> <3FCC046C.2090000@farorbit.com> Message-ID: <3FCC8FBB.4040603@atl.lmco.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Dan Goodes wrote: | Just to add my $0.02 here, I'd like to add that I agree whole-heartedly | with you about k3b vs. existing CD burning tools. | | I consider myself to be a fairly savvy linux user, not advanced, but I can | hold my own in a battle of wits with the beast. | | I had no luck at all using Gtoaster or XCDRoast, and what made matters | worse was that there was no easy-to-get-to doco for it. | | When I installed FC1 I went to a KDE environment, and installed K3B. with | very little tweaking, I was able to burn CDs quite happily. Even after | upgrading to a 2.6-test kernel, a quick fidget with some settings and I | was still able to burn CDs quite happily. | | So to that end, this end user's experience ith k3b has been awesome. :) | | -Dan | | | On Mon, 1 Dec 2003, stephan schutter wrote: | | |>You are indeed correct! I do understand the underlying reasons for why |>it works that way... but my granny don't -- so to speak. Fedora's |>ultimate goal is to be a desktop solution and a challenge to MS right? |>In this light the end user experience is essential; that is why I was |>asking. |> |> |>nosp wrote: |> |> |>>On Mon, 2003-12-01 at 23:22, William Hooper wrote: |>> |>> |>> |>>>stephan schutter said: |>>> |>>> |>>> |>>>>The Cd software included in Fedora requires root access |>>>>(absurd, users should be able to use the software to duplicate and burn |>>>>music CDs etc.). |>>>> |>>>> |>>> |>>>Assuming you are talking about X-CDRoast, it doesn't require root. |>>> |>>>http://www.xcdroast.org/xcdr098/faq-a15.html#11 |>>> |>>> |>> |>>the helper apps of k3b & X-CDRoast and others require root access -- the |>>cdrecord & other binaries have to be setuid & owned by root. k3b has a |>>nice way of making that change for you that the other apps lack, so it |>>may seem like "k3b doesn't require root". I think that's what the OP |>>should have meant. |>> |>> |>>-- |>>fedora-test-list mailing list |>>fedora-test-list at redhat.com |>>http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list |>> |>> |> |> |>-- |>fedora-test-list mailing list |>fedora-test-list at redhat.com |>http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list |> | | | Regards, | | Dan Goodes : Systems Programmer : dang at planetmirror.com | | Help support PlanetMirror - Australia's largest Internet archive | by signing up for PlanetMirror Premium : http://planetmirror.com | | | -- | fedora-test-list mailing list | fedora-test-list at redhat.com | http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list Have you tried gcombust? I've never been happier with a CD burning tool. http://www.abo.fi/~jmunsin/gcombust/ - -- - ---------- Doug Stewart Systems Administrator/Web Applications Developer Lockheed Martin Advanced Technology Labs Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/zI+7N50Q8DVvcvkRAmtWAJ0bM1oqFL0iMYTR96y+b6sFU+4wqwCdEQSY hEkVbHmRT6WimDMVU2sSPgE= =Xvdn -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From jpearl24 at cox.net Tue Dec 2 13:14:37 2003 From: jpearl24 at cox.net (jason pearl) Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 06:14:37 -0700 Subject: CD burning software In-Reply-To: <3FCC8FBB.4040603@atl.lmco.com> References: <3FCBC969.5030408@farorbit.com> <64919.69.68.37.57.1070320933.squirrel@69.68.37.57> <1070321664.18734.10.camel@earth.xades.com> <3FCC046C.2090000@farorbit.com> <3FCC8FBB.4040603@atl.lmco.com> Message-ID: <1070370877.4854.12.camel@sesso.pearl> does it burn dvds too????? On Tue, 2003-12-02 at 06:12, Douglas Stewart wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Dan Goodes wrote: > | Just to add my $0.02 here, I'd like to add that I agree whole-heartedly > | with you about k3b vs. existing CD burning tools. > | > | I consider myself to be a fairly savvy linux user, not advanced, but I can > | hold my own in a battle of wits with the beast. > | > | I had no luck at all using Gtoaster or XCDRoast, and what made matters > | worse was that there was no easy-to-get-to doco for it. > | > | When I installed FC1 I went to a KDE environment, and installed K3B. with > | very little tweaking, I was able to burn CDs quite happily. Even after > | upgrading to a 2.6-test kernel, a quick fidget with some settings and I > | was still able to burn CDs quite happily. > | > | So to that end, this end user's experience ith k3b has been awesome. :) > | > | -Dan > | > | > | On Mon, 1 Dec 2003, stephan schutter wrote: > | > | > |>You are indeed correct! I do understand the underlying reasons for why > |>it works that way... but my granny don't -- so to speak. Fedora's > |>ultimate goal is to be a desktop solution and a challenge to MS right? > |>In this light the end user experience is essential; that is why I was > |>asking. > |> > |> > |>nosp wrote: > |> > |> > |>>On Mon, 2003-12-01 at 23:22, William Hooper wrote: > |>> > |>> > |>> > |>>>stephan schutter said: > |>>> > |>>> > |>>> > |>>>>The Cd software included in Fedora requires root access > |>>>>(absurd, users should be able to use the software to duplicate and burn > |>>>>music CDs etc.). > |>>>> > |>>>> > |>>> > |>>>Assuming you are talking about X-CDRoast, it doesn't require root. > |>>> > |>>>http://www.xcdroast.org/xcdr098/faq-a15.html#11 > |>>> > |>>> > |>> > |>>the helper apps of k3b & X-CDRoast and others require root access -- the > |>>cdrecord & other binaries have to be setuid & owned by root. k3b has a > |>>nice way of making that change for you that the other apps lack, so it > |>>may seem like "k3b doesn't require root". I think that's what the OP > |>>should have meant. > |>> > |>> > |>>-- > |>>fedora-test-list mailing list > |>>fedora-test-list at redhat.com > |>>http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > |>> > |>> > |> > |> > |>-- > |>fedora-test-list mailing list > |>fedora-test-list at redhat.com > |>http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > |> > | > | > | Regards, > | > | Dan Goodes : Systems Programmer : dang at planetmirror.com > | > | Help support PlanetMirror - Australia's largest Internet archive > | by signing up for PlanetMirror Premium : http://planetmirror.com > | > | > | -- > | fedora-test-list mailing list > | fedora-test-list at redhat.com > | http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > Have you tried gcombust? I've never been happier with a CD burning tool. > > http://www.abo.fi/~jmunsin/gcombust/ > > - -- > - ---------- > Doug Stewart > Systems Administrator/Web Applications Developer > Lockheed Martin Advanced Technology Labs > > Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iD8DBQE/zI+7N50Q8DVvcvkRAmtWAJ0bM1oqFL0iMYTR96y+b6sFU+4wqwCdEQSY > hEkVbHmRT6WimDMVU2sSPgE= > =Xvdn > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From dstewart at atl.lmco.com Tue Dec 2 13:25:20 2003 From: dstewart at atl.lmco.com (Doug Stewart) Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 08:25:20 -0500 Subject: CD burning software In-Reply-To: <1070370877.4854.12.camel@sesso.pearl> References: <3FCBC969.5030408@farorbit.com> <64919.69.68.37.57.1070320933.squirrel@69.68.37.57> <1070321664.18734.10.camel@earth.xades.com> <3FCC046C.2090000@farorbit.com> <3FCC8FBB.4040603@atl.lmco.com> <1070370877.4854.12.camel@sesso.pearl> Message-ID: <3FCC92C0.7070604@atl.lmco.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 jason pearl wrote: | does it burn dvds too????? | | I haven't been able to get it to work. Then again, dvdrecord's commandline syntax is so easy, I rarely use gcombust to burn DVDs. (I've been getting a lot of mileage out of the mkdvdiso.sh script that someone posted to the Fedora list to make DVDs out of all my RedHat distros. *grin*) - -- - ---------- Doug Stewart Systems Administrator/Web Applications Developer Lockheed Martin Advanced Technology Labs Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/zJLAN50Q8DVvcvkRAifqAJwKZxl0pERTxF3CthFp9StAzN8DwACfWwtv vVSGRSvmAyYRCIqU0TGNI8g= =X4e2 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From paul.morgan at jumanjihouse.com Tue Dec 2 13:38:24 2003 From: paul.morgan at jumanjihouse.com (Paul Morgan) Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 07:38:24 -0600 Subject: RFE: e3 micro text editor In-Reply-To: <20031201230631.GB6720@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <1070309158.813.29.camel@vaio.jumanjihouse.com> <1070311849.15014.67.camel@earth.xades.com> <1070312749.1405.5.camel@vaio.jumanjihouse.com> <20031201230631.GB6720@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1070372303.8897.3.camel@vaio.jumanjihouse.com> ,On Mon, 2003-12-01 at 17:06, Bill Nottingham wrote: > Looking at the source code, the C version had less fearures. > > .... > This e3c does support WS key bindings only, > based on e3 version 0.6 . > .... That puts an end to that idea, then. Thanks for reviewing it. From jpearl24 at cox.net Tue Dec 2 13:39:18 2003 From: jpearl24 at cox.net (jason pearl) Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 06:39:18 -0700 Subject: CD burning software In-Reply-To: <3FCC92C0.7070604@atl.lmco.com> References: <3FCBC969.5030408@farorbit.com> <64919.69.68.37.57.1070320933.squirrel@69.68.37.57> <1070321664.18734.10.camel@earth.xades.com> <3FCC046C.2090000@farorbit.com> <3FCC8FBB.4040603@atl.lmco.com> <1070370877.4854.12.camel@sesso.pearl> <3FCC92C0.7070604@atl.lmco.com> Message-ID: <1070372358.4854.20.camel@sesso.pearl> what does that script do... just make iso?? On Tue, 2003-12-02 at 06:25, Doug Stewart wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > jason pearl wrote: > | does it burn dvds too????? > | > | > > I haven't been able to get it to work. > > Then again, dvdrecord's commandline syntax is so easy, I rarely use > gcombust to burn DVDs. (I've been getting a lot of mileage out of the > mkdvdiso.sh script that someone posted to the Fedora list to make DVDs > out of all my RedHat distros. *grin*) > > > - -- > - ---------- > Doug Stewart > Systems Administrator/Web Applications Developer > Lockheed Martin Advanced Technology Labs > > Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iD8DBQE/zJLAN50Q8DVvcvkRAifqAJwKZxl0pERTxF3CthFp9StAzN8DwACfWwtv > vVSGRSvmAyYRCIqU0TGNI8g= > =X4e2 > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From dstewart at atl.lmco.com Tue Dec 2 14:03:10 2003 From: dstewart at atl.lmco.com (Doug Stewart) Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 09:03:10 -0500 Subject: CD burning software In-Reply-To: <1070372358.4854.20.camel@sesso.pearl> References: <3FCBC969.5030408@farorbit.com> <64919.69.68.37.57.1070320933.squirrel@69.68.37.57> <1070321664.18734.10.camel@earth.xades.com> <3FCC046C.2090000@farorbit.com> <3FCC8FBB.4040603@atl.lmco.com> <1070370877.4854.12.camel@sesso.pearl> <3FCC92C0.7070604@atl.lmco.com> <1070372358.4854.20.camel@sesso.pearl> Message-ID: <3FCC9B9E.3030301@atl.lmco.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 jason pearl wrote: | what does that script do... just make iso?? | It's actually really cool. You plunk any binary or source RedHat isos in a directory. It then goes through and constructs an iso image out of all the other isos and makes a bootable DVD iso image. You then burn the iso to DVD and can then install any RedHat distro from the DVD. This saves 1) having to carry around 3-6 CDs and 2) swapping CDs during install. This DVD iso concept + kickstart makes unattended auto installs VERY easy. Plus, it's just plain cool. *grin* - -- - ---------- Doug Stewart Systems Administrator/Web Applications Developer Lockheed Martin Advanced Technology Labs Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/zJueN50Q8DVvcvkRAsjsAJ9KilhE3vjBko6WOp6B8iX8ARt0bgCfbytp hEky2f4QD9PPk3f5qPqnJI4= =6tMw -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From nbecker at hns.com Tue Dec 2 14:35:03 2003 From: nbecker at hns.com (Neal D. Becker) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 09:35:03 -0500 Subject: exim In-Reply-To: <3FCC9B77.6020305@saros.fr> References: <3FB4E1BC.9020100@redhat.com> <3FCC9B77.6020305@saros.fr> Message-ID: <200312020935.05403.nbecker@hns.com> I have a source RPM here. I have not looked at the other one, don't know how they compare: http://www.xecu.net/nbecker/exim-4.22-2_10.fed1.src.rpm On Tuesday 02 December 2003 09:02, Sebastien JUST wrote: > Thomas Woerner a ?crit : > > Hello, > > > > > > who wants to have exim in Fedora 2? > > > > I have built a source RPM: > > http://people.redhat.com/twoerner/SRPMS/fc2/exim-4.24-1.src.rpm > > > > This is exim version 4.24 with support for > > - LDAP, NIS, TLS, perl > > - content scanning (http://duncanthrax.net/exiscan-acl/) > > - sa-exim (http://marc.merlins.org/linux/exim/sa.html). > > > > > > Thanks, > > Thomas > > I think it would be great to have exim included as an alternative mail > server. I personnaly have installed Exim on RedHat 7.3 and this works > perfectly (with LDAP / maildir support) even if it required a fair > amount of work for compiling, configuring etc ... > As a simple user, I would be glad to have this alternative well-packaged > in further versions of Fedora (Fedora 2) and as a new package in up2date > for Fedora1. > > Thanks, > S?bastien > > > -- > fedora-list mailing list > fedora-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list From shrek-m at gmx.de Tue Dec 2 15:39:36 2003 From: shrek-m at gmx.de (shrek-m at gmx.de) Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 16:39:36 +0100 Subject: prism54 - 2.6-test kernel Message-ID: <3FCCB238.5020000@gmx.de> hi, is this driver in the 2.6-test kernel? http://prism54.org/ http://prism54.org/supported_cards.php thanks. -- shrek-m From rhl at farorbit.com Tue Dec 2 15:53:15 2003 From: rhl at farorbit.com (stephan schutter) Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 09:53:15 -0600 Subject: CD burning software In-Reply-To: <1070354243.19768.216.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <3FCBC969.5030408@farorbit.com> <1070354243.19768.216.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <3FCCB56B.80504@farorbit.com> Well, Alex... I did install "@everything" and I am still prompted for the root password. can I manually run kudzu? can kudzu run like a service and auto detect hardware changes as they happen (mice, network, usb devices)? These things seem to have a lot of trouble; a cd of floppy get mounted and then can not be unmounted because it is "busy" or what ever... we can not expect users to respect the unmount first rule... they will simply yank the floppy or USB storage device. Can you immagin how angry a user at home will be if he/she can not get the CD out of the drive (I know there is a lazy unmount option, but I am one in a milion)? These things occur most frequently when items are mounted with alternate credentials. Alexander Larsson wrote: > On Tue, 2003-12-02 at 00:06, stephan schutter wrote: > >>Is anyone opposed to including K3B (both SuSE and mandrake have it); it >>is the only CD burning software that can compare with the commercial >>applications out there. It looks like ROXIO Easy CD Creator and works >>like it. The Cd software included in Fedora requires root access >>(absurd, users should be able to use the software to duplicate and burn >>music CDs etc.). > > > kudzu is supposed to detect your cd writer and generate /dev/cdwriter* > symlinks. These are supposed to be made user writable by consolehelper > on console login, so cdburning without root should be possible. This is > supposed to work, if it doesn't, report a bug. > > Having to make cdrecord setuid root seems like a security hole waiting > to happen. > > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > Alexander Larsson Red Hat, Inc > alexl at redhat.com alla at lysator.liu.se > He's a fast talking drug-addicted assassin on the run. She's a green-fingered > psychic traffic cop looking for love in all the wrong places. They fight > crime! > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From rhl at farorbit.com Tue Dec 2 15:58:33 2003 From: rhl at farorbit.com (stephan schutter) Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 09:58:33 -0600 Subject: CD burning software In-Reply-To: <3FCC9B9E.3030301@atl.lmco.com> References: <3FCBC969.5030408@farorbit.com> <64919.69.68.37.57.1070320933.squirrel@69.68.37.57> <1070321664.18734.10.camel@earth.xades.com> <3FCC046C.2090000@farorbit.com> <3FCC8FBB.4040603@atl.lmco.com> <1070370877.4854.12.camel@sesso.pearl> <3FCC92C0.7070604@atl.lmco.com> <1070372358.4854.20.camel@sesso.pearl> <3FCC9B9E.3030301@atl.lmco.com> Message-ID: <3FCCB6A9.3000708@farorbit.com> OOOO! we are just touching on a topic I am interested in... I would like to take the boot.iso cd and put a ks.cfg on it so I can build off the network. but I can not figure out how to make a RedHat bootable CD. Doug Stewart wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > jason pearl wrote: > | what does that script do... just make iso?? > | > > It's actually really cool. You plunk any binary or source RedHat isos > in a directory. It then goes through and constructs an iso image out of > all the other isos and makes a bootable DVD iso image. You then burn > the iso to DVD and can then install any RedHat distro from the DVD. > This saves 1) having to carry around 3-6 CDs and 2) swapping CDs during > install. > > This DVD iso concept + kickstart makes unattended auto installs VERY easy. > > Plus, it's just plain cool. *grin* > > - -- > - ---------- > Doug Stewart > Systems Administrator/Web Applications Developer > Lockheed Martin Advanced Technology Labs > > Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iD8DBQE/zJueN50Q8DVvcvkRAsjsAJ9KilhE3vjBko6WOp6B8iX8ARt0bgCfbytp > hEky2f4QD9PPk3f5qPqnJI4= > =6tMw > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From jspaleta at princeton.edu Tue Dec 2 16:12:41 2003 From: jspaleta at princeton.edu (Jef Spaleta) Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 11:12:41 -0500 Subject: Bug Day 8: Dec 03,2003: For a change of pace, this reminder is a a day before the actual bugday Message-ID: <1070381561.10872.134.camel@spatula.pppl.gov> Do NOT be alarmed! Today is not Wednesday! But tomorrow is! and that means..... Fedora Bug Day Tomorrow!!!!!! Theme: A general call to arms, for bugbusting!!!!! Not really sure there is a specific issue that needs to be addressed from the community side of things, other than the increasing and consistent pile-up of packages sitting at fedora.us waiting for community QA. Or at least developers haven't pulled my ear about it. So there is no specific bughunting theme. There are in fact several long term issues that I personally want to encourage the community to help me explore in the bughunting and bug triaging solution space. This is probably going to be an extremely rambling email. *Become involved in the fedora.us QA process and help QA packages that are waiting to be published in the fedora.us addon repo: http://www.fedora.us/QA . There are 293 packages sitting waiting for QA. That's 293 packages the Fedora community could be enjoying in the published fedora.us repository trees, once they have made it through the community QA process. Remember, until the full merge is completed and Fedora Extras and Alternatives is up and running...community packagers are being advised to use fedora.us's process. How do you become involved in the fedora.us QA process? Easy, read: http://www.fedora.us/wiki/PackageSubmissionQAPolicy *Help triage the fedora core bugzilla reports by reviewing open bugzilla bug tickets and trying to use simple comment strings as a way to categorize bug reports to make it easier for developers to quickly find bugs that can be marked closed. For more information take a look at: http://www.fedora.us/wiki/TriageComment http://www.fedora.us/wiki/CannedQueries But if you are unsure on how to use the triage comment idea, discussion in #fedora-bugs on the freenode irc network is encouraged. *there is also going to be an opportunity for bug triagers to test a set of xmlrpc bugzilla interface tools, very soon now. I'm not directly involved with the tool building, but Mr. Nasrat should be sending a follow up post with some more detailed directions about some example tools...its all too very exciting for me to talk about in a fashion approximating coherence. -jef"one paragraph was written in invisible ink"spaleta From don.vanco at agilysys.com Tue Dec 2 16:19:06 2003 From: don.vanco at agilysys.com (Vanco, Don) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 11:19:06 -0500 Subject: CD burning software Message-ID: fedora-test-list-admin at redhat.com wrote: > OOOO! we are just touching on a topic I am interested in... I > would like > to take the boot.iso cd and put a ks.cfg on it so I can build off the > network. but I can not figure out how to make a RedHat bootable CD. man mkisofs Don From jpearl24 at cox.net Tue Dec 2 16:54:00 2003 From: jpearl24 at cox.net (jason pearl) Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 09:54:00 -0700 Subject: CD burning software In-Reply-To: <3FCC9B9E.3030301@atl.lmco.com> References: <3FCBC969.5030408@farorbit.com> <64919.69.68.37.57.1070320933.squirrel@69.68.37.57> <1070321664.18734.10.camel@earth.xades.com> <3FCC046C.2090000@farorbit.com> <3FCC8FBB.4040603@atl.lmco.com> <1070370877.4854.12.camel@sesso.pearl> <3FCC92C0.7070604@atl.lmco.com> <1070372358.4854.20.camel@sesso.pearl> <3FCC9B9E.3030301@atl.lmco.com> Message-ID: <1070384040.6302.6.camel@sesso.pearl> how do i get ahold of the file?? hehe On Tue, 2003-12-02 at 07:03, Doug Stewart wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > jason pearl wrote: > | what does that script do... just make iso?? > | > > It's actually really cool. You plunk any binary or source RedHat isos > in a directory. It then goes through and constructs an iso image out of > all the other isos and makes a bootable DVD iso image. You then burn > the iso to DVD and can then install any RedHat distro from the DVD. > This saves 1) having to carry around 3-6 CDs and 2) swapping CDs during > install. > > This DVD iso concept + kickstart makes unattended auto installs VERY easy From rhl at farorbit.com Tue Dec 2 17:23:04 2003 From: rhl at farorbit.com (stephan schutter) Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 11:23:04 -0600 Subject: CD burning software In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3FCCCA78.4010306@farorbit.com> That document fell down the ugly tree and hit every branch on the way down! Is the a real help file? Vanco, Don wrote: > fedora-test-list-admin at redhat.com wrote: > >>OOOO! we are just touching on a topic I am interested in... I >>would like >>to take the boot.iso cd and put a ks.cfg on it so I can build off the >>network. but I can not figure out how to make a RedHat bootable CD. > > man mkisofs > > Don > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From jlb17 at duke.edu Tue Dec 2 17:40:04 2003 From: jlb17 at duke.edu (Joshua Baker-LePain) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 12:40:04 -0500 (EST) Subject: FC1 AMD64 Preview installer crash Message-ID: I'm trying to install the AMD64 preview of FC1 on a dual Opteron system (dual 240s, HDAMA motherboard, 8GB RAM). Anaconda crashes (with a kernel BUG) just as it's starting the text mode installer. If I boot with mem=2048M, the installer works just fine, although I still end up with a broken system[1]. I've got a serial console log from the failed install (trimmed down to mostly the essentials) here: http://www.duke.edu/~jlb17/installer.crash.8GB.txt If I can do anything or provide any more details, let me know. [1] It OOPSes on boot. If I edit the boot line in grub to add a serial console, it seems to actually boot (??), but has the library issues I see others having in the archives. -- Joshua Baker-LePain Department of Biomedical Engineering Duke University From nbecker at hns.com Tue Dec 2 17:49:59 2003 From: nbecker at hns.com (Neal D. Becker) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 12:49:59 -0500 Subject: Prelinking KDE -- libGL issues [kde-optimize] Message-ID: <200312021250.01149.nbecker@hns.com> This message seems like it might be of interest to fedora users: http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-optimize&m=107007239305615&w=2 From alan at redhat.com Tue Dec 2 18:27:54 2003 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 13:27:54 -0500 Subject: IDE write ordering ? In-Reply-To: <600B91D5E4B8D211A58C00902724252C01BC046A@piramida.hermes.si> References: <600B91D5E4B8D211A58C00902724252C01BC046A@piramida.hermes.si> Message-ID: <20031202182754.GA27398@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Tue, Dec 02, 2003 at 01:49:50PM +0100, David Balazic wrote: > Would fsck ( or maybe some other tool? ) detect if this problem had happened > ? > ( that is , consistency problems due to re-ordered writes around the moment > of failure, like > power-outage ) For metadata yes. For data it may not be able to, but most people only journal metadata anyway because transaction guarantees are rarely at the per file granularity From lowen at pari.edu Tue Dec 2 18:31:12 2003 From: lowen at pari.edu (Lamar Owen) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 13:31:12 -0500 Subject: IDE write ordering ? In-Reply-To: <20031201233621.GA18817@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <600B91D5E4B8D211A58C00902724252C01BC0461@piramida.hermes.si> <20031201233621.GA18817@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <200312021331.12869.lowen@pari.edu> On Monday 01 December 2003 06:36 pm, Alan Cox wrote: > On Mon, Dec 01, 2003 at 09:33:17AM +0100, David Balazic wrote: > > So my question is , how can one test if the journalled FS on his disk is > > actually working > > as it should or is it just waste of time and giving a false sense of > > safety > Its extremely hard to do because you need fairly complex tools to ensure > outstanding I/O during a sudden power off and out of order drive writeback > etc What you need is a way of reading the AC mains coming into the power supply, or readings of the DC rails. If the rail drops below a threshold value, it's time to button up. With typical power supply output capacitors and/or low loading on the rails, you might have up to half a second to react. One wishes that the power supply could send a 'I'm about to croak!' signal to the motherboard that the kernel could key off of, and it would be even nicer if the PS had a flywheel capacitor set on all outputs before crowbarring (the voltages have to be sequenced during powerfail as well as powerup). I remember the intelligence behind the old Seagate ST251 stepper motor actuator MFM hard drive. It auto parked at poweroff, by using the spindle motor as a generator, driving the stepper to park. With servos that's not a problem due to the spring tension that is a normal part of the voice coil mechanism. That couldn't be done with a stepper. So it can be done if there is hardware support. If the MB allows monitoring of the DC rails, one could do such, no? -- Lamar Owen Director of Information Technology Pisgah Astronomical Research Institute 1 PARI Drive Rosman, NC 28772 (828)862-5554 www.pari.edu From lowen at pari.edu Tue Dec 2 18:33:36 2003 From: lowen at pari.edu (Lamar Owen) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 13:33:36 -0500 Subject: IDE write ordering ? In-Reply-To: <20031202124459.GA11183@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <600B91D5E4B8D211A58C00902724252C01BC0469@piramida.hermes.si> <20031202124459.GA11183@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <200312021333.36988.lowen@pari.edu> On Tuesday 02 December 2003 07:44 am, Alan Cox wrote: > The same applies for some databases if you are paranoid too If the database uses write ahead logging then you can get in trouble with this. Been there, done that with PostgreSQL, which does use WAL. Oracle also uses WAL. So Oracle on ATA is vulnerable to data loss if the drive loses power for whatever reason. -- Lamar Owen Director of Information Technology Pisgah Astronomical Research Institute 1 PARI Drive Rosman, NC 28772 (828)862-5554 www.pari.edu From mitr at volny.cz Tue Dec 2 18:08:00 2003 From: mitr at volny.cz (Miloslav Trmac) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 19:08:00 +0100 Subject: Prelinking KDE -- libGL issues [kde-optimize] In-Reply-To: <200312021250.01149.nbecker@hns.com> References: <200312021250.01149.nbecker@hns.com> Message-ID: <20031202180800.GA22571@popelka.ms.mff.cuni.cz> On Tue, Dec 02, 2003 at 12:49:59PM -0500, Neal D. Becker wrote: > This message seems like it might be of interest to fedora users: Not really, libGL has been patched in Fedora so that it is prelinkable. Mirek From don.vanco at agilysys.com Tue Dec 2 20:18:54 2003 From: don.vanco at agilysys.com (Vanco, Don) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 15:18:54 -0500 Subject: CD burning software Message-ID: fedora-test-list-admin at redhat.com wrote: > That document fell down the ugly tree and hit every branch on the way > down! Is the a real help file? LOL. Yes - it's a pretty painful read, but in the long run it's worth plowing through. Basically you just need to look at the boot options (-b) and how to insure that you include a valid boot image in the command syntax. There may be a better how-to out there, or a GUI tool that takes mkisofs and puts it in the hands of those that don't want to learn to translate man pages into understandable English - but I have not seen any such animal myself. FWIW - I use a very slim set of mkisofs options and that's all I really deal with. While "Linux in a Nutshell" offers a little more useful format to the man page content, it really doesn't get much more into "real world example" - even though the section is 8 pages long... It should be something like: mkisofs -r -l -b /path/to/boot/files -o name_of_your_iso /path/to/content Hint: look at the RH CDs for the boot files they use..... Don > > Vanco, Don wrote: > >> fedora-test-list-admin at redhat.com wrote: >> >>> OOOO! we are just touching on a topic I am interested in... I would >>> like to take the boot.iso cd and put a ks.cfg on it so I can build >>> off the network. but I can not figure out how to make a RedHat >>> bootable CD. >> >> man mkisofs >> >> Don >> >> >> -- >> fedora-test-list mailing list >> fedora-test-list at redhat.com >> http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From nbryant at optonline.net Tue Dec 2 20:25:57 2003 From: nbryant at optonline.net (Nathan Bryant) Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 15:25:57 -0500 Subject: CD burning software In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3FCCF555.3050901@optonline.net> >Hint: look at the RH CDs for the boot files they use..... > > Ahh grasshopper, RH used to use a normal boot floppy image the same way the bootable Win98 CD's did, but not anymore. Apparently they now use something called ISOLINUX which works differently. More of a native cd-rom thing. From jlb17 at duke.edu Tue Dec 2 20:44:58 2003 From: jlb17 at duke.edu (Joshua Baker-LePain) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 15:44:58 -0500 (EST) Subject: CD burning software In-Reply-To: <3FCCF555.3050901@optonline.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 2 Dec 2003 at 3:25pm, Nathan Bryant wrote > >Hint: look at the RH CDs for the boot files they use..... > > > > > Ahh grasshopper, RH used to use a normal boot floppy image the same way > the bootable Win98 CD's did, but not anymore. Apparently they now use > something called ISOLINUX which works differently. More of a native > cd-rom thing. But still doable with mkisofs. See . -- Joshua Baker-LePain Department of Biomedical Engineering Duke University From jansen at strw.leidenuniv.nl Tue Dec 2 20:49:42 2003 From: jansen at strw.leidenuniv.nl (David Jansen) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 21:49:42 +0100 Subject: custom boot.iso (was: CD burning software) Message-ID: <20031202204942.GA2730@strw.leidenuniv.nl> On Tue, Dec 02, 2003 at 09:58:33AM -0600, stephan schutter wrote: > OOOO! we are just touching on a topic I am interested in... I would like > to take the boot.iso cd and put a ks.cfg on it so I can build off the > network. but I can not figure out how to make a RedHat bootable CD. I learned that out of one of the RH9 documents. Basically, you need the directory isolinux from the 1st cd, and some additional options to mkisofs and you can make your own boot.iso And if you include a ks.cfg, you can boot your kickstart install using 'linux ks=cdrom' (or better yet, modify the files in your isolinux copy to set that as the default, you can do that in isolinux.cfg) David Jansen From rhl at farorbit.com Tue Dec 2 21:40:07 2003 From: rhl at farorbit.com (stephan schutter) Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 15:40:07 -0600 Subject: custom boot.iso (was: CD burning software) In-Reply-To: <20031202204942.GA2730@strw.leidenuniv.nl> References: <20031202204942.GA2730@strw.leidenuniv.nl> Message-ID: <3FCD06B7.9050205@farorbit.com> I got that far (but was trying to do it with XCD roast .. or what ever it is called). But I am not sure of what options to use... I found that is is not floppy or hard drive emulation... David Jansen wrote: > On Tue, Dec 02, 2003 at 09:58:33AM -0600, stephan schutter wrote: > >>OOOO! we are just touching on a topic I am interested in... I would like >>to take the boot.iso cd and put a ks.cfg on it so I can build off the >>network. but I can not figure out how to make a RedHat bootable CD. > > > I learned that out of one of the RH9 documents. Basically, you need the > directory isolinux from the 1st cd, and some additional options to > mkisofs and you can make your own boot.iso > And if you include a ks.cfg, you can boot your kickstart install using > 'linux ks=cdrom' > (or better yet, modify the files in your isolinux copy to set that as > the default, you can do that in isolinux.cfg) > > David Jansen > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From rhl at farorbit.com Tue Dec 2 21:42:03 2003 From: rhl at farorbit.com (stephan schutter) Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 15:42:03 -0600 Subject: %post in ks.cfg Message-ID: <3FCD072B.3080304@farorbit.com> does nyone know if the %post command is functional in FC1? From tdiehl at rogueind.com Tue Dec 2 21:44:08 2003 From: tdiehl at rogueind.com (Tom Diehl) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 16:44:08 -0500 (EST) Subject: %post in ks.cfg In-Reply-To: <3FCD072B.3080304@farorbit.com> References: <3FCD072B.3080304@farorbit.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 2 Dec 2003, stephan schutter wrote: > does nyone know if the %post command is functional in FC1? WORKSFORME ............Tom From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Tue Dec 2 21:48:11 2003 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: 02 Dec 2003 16:48:11 -0500 Subject: FC1 AMD64 Preview installer crash In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1070401690.31406.17.camel@opus> > [1] It OOPSes on boot. If I edit the boot line in grub to add a serial > console, it seems to actually boot (??), but has the library issues I > see others having in the archives. Mine will oops on boot too, for the smp kernel only. the up kernel boots fine. ditto the serial console, if I enable BOTH serial and normal console it will boot just fine smp. no clue what's going on there. I've also noticed that if I disable acpi in the bios the oops changes some. of note Joshua and I have the same motherboards -sv From mark at harddata.com Tue Dec 2 22:01:20 2003 From: mark at harddata.com (Mark Lane) Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 15:01:20 -0700 Subject: FC1 AMD64 Preview installer crash In-Reply-To: <1070401690.31406.17.camel@opus> References: <1070401690.31406.17.camel@opus> Message-ID: <1070402480.4881.50.camel@dynamic-171.harddata.net> On Tue, 2003-12-02 at 14:48, seth vidal wrote: > > [1] It OOPSes on boot. If I edit the boot line in grub to add a serial > > console, it seems to actually boot (??), but has the library issues I > > see others having in the archives. > > Mine will oops on boot too, for the smp kernel only. > > the up kernel boots fine. > > ditto the serial console, if I enable BOTH serial and normal console it > will boot just fine smp. > > no clue what's going on there. > > I've also noticed that if I disable acpi in the bios the oops changes > some. > > of note Joshua and I have the same motherboards > Hmm, this must be related to the something on the Hdama Boards that is different on the Tyans. We did not have these errors with Tyan S2880. Could it be related to using all 8 memory slots? I know Tyan others didn't provide 8 slots on early boards due to an issue with the AMD Chipset. Hdama when ahead with 8 slots anyway. -- Mark Lane, CET mailto:mark at harddata.com Hard Data Ltd. http://www.harddata.com T: 01-780-456-9771 F: 01-780-456-9772 11060 - 166 Avenue Edmonton, AB, Canada, T5X 1Y3 --> Ask me about our Excellent 1U Systems! <-- From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Tue Dec 2 22:07:11 2003 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: 02 Dec 2003 17:07:11 -0500 Subject: FC1 AMD64 Preview installer crash In-Reply-To: <1070402480.4881.50.camel@dynamic-171.harddata.net> References: <1070401690.31406.17.camel@opus> <1070402480.4881.50.camel@dynamic-171.harddata.net> Message-ID: <1070402831.31406.24.camel@opus> > Hmm, this must be related to the something on the Hdama Boards that is > different on the Tyans. We did not have these errors with Tyan S2880. > > Could it be related to using all 8 memory slots? I know Tyan others > didn't provide 8 slots on early boards due to an issue with the AMD > Chipset. Hdama when ahead with 8 slots anyway. I'm seeing the issue and I'm only using 2 slots. -sv From rhl at farorbit.com Tue Dec 2 22:31:54 2003 From: rhl at farorbit.com (stephan schutter) Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 16:31:54 -0600 Subject: %post in ks.cfg In-Reply-To: References: <3FCD072B.3080304@farorbit.com> Message-ID: <3FCD12DA.2090802@farorbit.com> Soooo... What's wrong with this????? ____________________________________________________________ ks.cfg: #Generated by Kickstart Configurator #System language lang en_US #Language modules to install langsupport --default=en_US #System keyboard keyboard us #System mouse mouse #Sytem timezone timezone America/Chicago #Root password rootpw --iscrypted $1$mKH58VeQ$eCZkW0Os1IaysoI/Pt3gM. #Reboot after installation reboot #Install Red Hat Linux instead of upgrade install #Use Web installation url --url http://ttcpkg01/src/FC1 #System bootloader configuration bootloader --location=mbr #Clear the Master Boot Record zerombr yes #Partition clearing information clearpart --all --initlabel #Disk partitioning information part swap --recommended part / --fstype ext3 --size 1 --grow #System authorization infomation auth --useshadow --enablemd5 #Firewall configuration firewall --enabled --ssh #XWindows configuration information xconfig --depth=16 --resolution=1024x768 --defaultdesktop=GNOME --startxonboot #Run the Setup Agent on first boot firstboot --reconfig #Package install information %packages --resolvedeps @ GNOME Desktop Environment @ Administration Tools @ System Tools @ Printing Support bash %post cat > /etc/resolv.conf <>/etc/apt/sources.list mkdir /etc/apt/gpg wget http://rpm.livna.org/RPM-LIVNA-GPG-KEY --directory-prefix=/etc/apt/gpg/RPM-LIVNA-GPG-KEY rpm --import /etc/apt/gpg/RPM-LIVNA-GPG-KEY apt-get update # update the rpm lists... #install some favorites off the web... (MP3 decoder, DVD Players, Media Players etc...) apt-get -y install synaptic # graphical front end to apt... apt-get clean # clean up dowloaded files so they do not take up space... Tom Diehl wrote: > On Tue, 2 Dec 2003, stephan schutter wrote: > > >>does nyone know if the %post command is functional in FC1? > > > WORKSFORME > > > ............Tom > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From mark at harddata.com Tue Dec 2 22:44:33 2003 From: mark at harddata.com (Mark Lane) Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 15:44:33 -0700 Subject: FC1 AMD64 Preview installer crash In-Reply-To: <1070402831.31406.24.camel@opus> References: <1070401690.31406.17.camel@opus> <1070402480.4881.50.camel@dynamic-171.harddata.net> <1070402831.31406.24.camel@opus> Message-ID: <1070405073.4881.55.camel@dynamic-171.harddata.net> On Tue, 2003-12-02 at 15:07, seth vidal wrote: > > Hmm, this must be related to the something on the Hdama Boards that is > > different on the Tyans. We did not have these errors with Tyan S2880. > > > > Could it be related to using all 8 memory slots? I know Tyan others > > didn't provide 8 slots on early boards due to an issue with the AMD > > Chipset. Hdama when ahead with 8 slots anyway. > > I'm seeing the issue and I'm only using 2 slots. I was thinking that maybe it was related to their solution (Hdama) to the 8 slot problem not actually using 8 slots. We have built systems using all 8 slots on the Hdama board and Taroon was running fine. -- Mark Lane, CET mailto:mark at harddata.com Hard Data Ltd. http://www.harddata.com T: 01-780-456-9771 F: 01-780-456-9772 11060 - 166 Avenue Edmonton, AB, Canada, T5X 1Y3 --> Ask me about our Excellent 1U Systems! <-- From michalz at olomouc.com Tue Dec 2 22:49:55 2003 From: michalz at olomouc.com (Michal Zeravik) Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 23:49:55 +0100 Subject: Prelinking KDE -- libGL issues [kde-optimize] In-Reply-To: <20031202180800.GA22571@popelka.ms.mff.cuni.cz> References: <200312021250.01149.nbecker@hns.com> <20031202180800.GA22571@popelka.ms.mff.cuni.cz> Message-ID: <3FCD1713.6010606@olomouc.com> Isn't libGL.so built with nvidia installer? I'm using last 44.96 drivers and prelink shows for example: prelink: /usr/bin/quanta: Cannot prelink against non-PIC shared library /usr/lib/tls/libGL.so.1 michalz Miloslav Trmac wrote: >On Tue, Dec 02, 2003 at 12:49:59PM -0500, Neal D. Becker wrote: > > >>This message seems like it might be of interest to fedora users: >> >> >Not really, libGL has been patched in Fedora so that it is prelinkable. > Mirek > > >-- >fedora-test-list mailing list >fedora-test-list at redhat.com >http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jakub at redhat.com Tue Dec 2 23:23:00 2003 From: jakub at redhat.com (Jakub Jelinek) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 18:23:00 -0500 Subject: Prelinking KDE -- libGL issues [kde-optimize] In-Reply-To: <3FCD1713.6010606@olomouc.com> References: <200312021250.01149.nbecker@hns.com> <20031202180800.GA22571@popelka.ms.mff.cuni.cz> <3FCD1713.6010606@olomouc.com> Message-ID: <20031202232259.GZ3017@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Tue, Dec 02, 2003 at 11:49:55PM +0100, Michal Zeravik wrote: > Isn't libGL.so built with nvidia installer? I'm using last 44.96 drivers > and prelink shows for example: > prelink: /usr/bin/quanta: Cannot prelink against non-PIC shared library > /usr/lib/tls/libGL.so.1 If you use NVidia libGL instead of the one provided in the distribution, then you can only complain to NVidia for providing such crappy library. That's how binary-only world works. Jakub From joe at tmsusa.com Tue Dec 2 23:46:54 2003 From: joe at tmsusa.com (joe) Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 15:46:54 -0800 Subject: Prelinking KDE -- libGL issues [kde-optimize] In-Reply-To: <20031202232259.GZ3017@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <200312021250.01149.nbecker@hns.com> <20031202180800.GA22571@popelka.ms.mff.cuni.cz> <3FCD1713.6010606@olomouc.com> <20031202232259.GZ3017@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <3FCD246E.10102@tmsusa.com> Jakub Jelinek wrote: >On Tue, Dec 02, 2003 at 11:49:55PM +0100, Michal Zeravik wrote: > > >>Isn't libGL.so built with nvidia installer? I'm using last 44.96 drivers >>and prelink shows for example: >>prelink: /usr/bin/quanta: Cannot prelink against non-PIC shared library >>/usr/lib/tls/libGL.so.1 >> >> > >If you use NVidia libGL instead of the one provided in the distribution, >then you can only complain to NVidia for providing such crappy library. > > I suppose if he wants accelerated 3D he has no choice but to use the nvidia drivers - >That's how binary-only world works. > > Well, calling the nvidia driver "crappy" is a bit much, LOL Best Regards, Joe From nosp at xades.com Tue Dec 2 23:55:14 2003 From: nosp at xades.com (nosp) Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 23:55:14 +0000 Subject: Prelinking KDE -- libGL issues [kde-optimize] In-Reply-To: <3FCD246E.10102@tmsusa.com> References: <200312021250.01149.nbecker@hns.com> <20031202180800.GA22571@popelka.ms.mff.cuni.cz> <3FCD1713.6010606@olomouc.com> <20031202232259.GZ3017@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <3FCD246E.10102@tmsusa.com> Message-ID: <1070409314.19593.284.camel@earth.xades.com> On Tue, 2003-12-02 at 23:46, joe wrote: > Jakub Jelinek wrote: [...] > >That's how binary-only world works. > > > > > Well, calling the nvidia driver "crappy" is a bit much, LOL I think it was tongue-in-cheek. From jkeating at j2solutions.net Wed Dec 3 00:06:10 2003 From: jkeating at j2solutions.net (Jesse Keating) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 16:06:10 -0800 Subject: %post in ks.cfg In-Reply-To: <3FCD12DA.2090802@farorbit.com> References: <3FCD072B.3080304@farorbit.com> <3FCD12DA.2090802@farorbit.com> Message-ID: <200312021606.14093.jkeating@j2solutions.net> On Tuesday 02 December 2003 14:31, stephan schutter wrote: > Soooo... What's wrong with this????? You tell us. Where is it dying? Are some of the tasks being done, but not others? Try dropping in some echo's to the some log files to see when it fails or how far it gets. -- Jesse Keating RHCE MCSE (geek.j2solutions.net) Fedora Legacy Team (www.fedora.us/wiki/FedoraLegacy) Mondo DevTeam (www.mondorescue.org) GPG Public Key (geek.j2solutions.net/jkeating.j2solutions.pub) Was I helpful? Let others know: http://svcs.affero.net/rm.php?r=jkeating -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Jakub From joden at malachi.lee.k12.nc.us Wed Dec 3 00:42:14 2003 From: joden at malachi.lee.k12.nc.us (James Olin Oden) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 19:42:14 -0500 (EST) Subject: CD burning software In-Reply-To: <3FCCF555.3050901@optonline.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 2 Dec 2003, Nathan Bryant wrote: > > >Hint: look at the RH CDs for the boot files they use..... > > > > > Ahh grasshopper, RH used to use a normal boot floppy image the same way > the bootable Win98 CD's did, but not anymore. Apparently they now use > something called ISOLINUX which works differently. More of a native > cd-rom thing. > Actually, I believe ISOLINUX is still doing the "El Torrito" Bootable floppy image thing, but the image contians a "syslinux" boot loader smart enough to read from the cdrom drive to get its configuration. Cheers...james > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > From joden at malachi.lee.k12.nc.us Wed Dec 3 00:50:01 2003 From: joden at malachi.lee.k12.nc.us (James Olin Oden) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 19:50:01 -0500 (EST) Subject: custom boot.iso (was: CD burning software) In-Reply-To: <3FCD06B7.9050205@farorbit.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 2 Dec 2003, stephan schutter wrote: > I got that far (but was trying to do it with XCD roast .. or what ever > it is called). But I am not sure of what options to use... I found that > is is not floppy or hard drive emulation... > You really want to do this with mkisofs so you can then script it easily. I do something like the following: mkisofs -r -J -T \ -b isolinux/isolinux.bin \ -no-emul-boot \ -boot-load-size 4 \ -boot-info-table \ -o "${ISO_IMAGE}" \ -V "${CD_LABEL}" \ "${RH_BUILD_DIR}" You of course need to substitute reasonable values for the variables. I don't remember all the reasons for each switch, but the mkisofs man page does describe each one. The brief explanatioin is you need to make it an "El Torrito" format bootable CDROM, which essentially is an ISO marked such that when an Intel like BIOS sees the cdrom it will find a pointer to the location of a "floppy" image (could be a hard drive image, but I have never seen this done with linux installers). Ultimately that is what the "-b isolinux/isolinux.bin" stuff is for. The next three options have something to do with the way isolinux likes things as opposed to syslinux did but I don't know the details. Everything else is just standard stuff you feed to mkisofs. Cheers...james From cmadams at hiwaay.net Wed Dec 3 01:30:31 2003 From: cmadams at hiwaay.net (Chris Adams) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 19:30:31 -0600 Subject: CD burning software In-Reply-To: References: <3FCCF555.3050901@optonline.net> Message-ID: <20031203013031.GD1404654@hiwaay.net> Once upon a time, James Olin Oden said: > Actually, I believe ISOLINUX is still doing the "El Torrito" Bootable > floppy image thing, but the image contians a "syslinux" boot loader smart > enough to read from the cdrom drive to get its configuration. SYSLINUX doesn't know how to read from CDs. ISOLINUX is different; it does not use a bootable floppy image, however it still uses the El Torito extensions (it doesn't know how to read from the CD itself). El Torito specifies several BIOS extensions for booting from CD; the most commonly used (and most commonly supported) is to put the image of a bootable floppy and have the El Torito extension read it and emulate a floppy drive. Some computers that support El Torito extensions only support booting from a floppy image. ISOLINUX uses a "no emulation" mode, where BIOS INT13 calls can be used to read blocks from a CD (more or less like reading from a hard drive in real mode). ISOLINUX does know how to read a basic ISO9660 filesystem to find the files. Not all computers that support booting from a floppy image will boot from a "no emulation" CD, but most do. IIRC, for RHL9, the second CD was also bootable, using a floppy image for the computers that didn't support the other way. -- Chris Adams Systems and Network Administrator - HiWAAY Internet Services I don't speak for anybody but myself - that's enough trouble. From rhl at farorbit.com Wed Dec 3 03:06:01 2003 From: rhl at farorbit.com (Stephan Schutter) Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 21:06:01 -0600 Subject: %post in ks.cfg In-Reply-To: <200312021606.14093.jkeating@j2solutions.net> References: <3FCD072B.3080304@farorbit.com> <3FCD12DA.2090802@farorbit.com> <200312021606.14093.jkeating@j2solutions.net> Message-ID: <1070420760.16204.4.camel@gamer.ferorbit.com> Well... nothing after the %post statement does anything... not even this: %post cat > /etc/resolv.conf < On Tuesday 02 December 2003 14:31, stephan schutter wrote: > > Soooo... What's wrong with this????? > > You tell us. Where is it dying? Are some of the tasks being done, but > not others? Try dropping in some echo's to the some log files to see > when it fails or how far it gets. From tdiehl at rogueind.com Wed Dec 3 03:51:06 2003 From: tdiehl at rogueind.com (Tom Diehl) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 22:51:06 -0500 (EST) Subject: %post in ks.cfg In-Reply-To: <3FCD12DA.2090802@farorbit.com> References: <3FCD072B.3080304@farorbit.com> <3FCD12DA.2090802@farorbit.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 2 Dec 2003, stephan schutter wrote: > Soooo... What's wrong with this????? Don't know. > %post suggest adding "chvt 3" here. that way you can see what is going on. You might get a better idea. I have found that if I switch manually I sometimes miss stuff. At least this way you might be able to see stuff that scrolled off the screen by looking in the scrollback buffer. > > cat > /etc/resolv.conf < nameserver 10.104.241.115 > nameserver 10.114.215.20 > EOF > ...............Tom From alexl at redhat.com Wed Dec 3 09:05:17 2003 From: alexl at redhat.com (Alexander Larsson) Date: 03 Dec 2003 10:05:17 +0100 Subject: CD burning software In-Reply-To: <3FCCB56B.80504@farorbit.com> References: <3FCBC969.5030408@farorbit.com> <1070354243.19768.216.camel@localhost.localdomain> <3FCCB56B.80504@farorbit.com> Message-ID: <1070442317.19768.246.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2003-12-02 at 16:53, stephan schutter wrote: > Well, Alex... I did install "@everything" and I am still prompted for > the root password. This might be due to the way the cdburning app you use is set up. Nautilus-cd-burner for instance never runs anything as root. > can I manually run kudzu? can kudzu run like a > service and auto detect hardware changes as they happen (mice, network, > usb devices)? I dunno. I think kudzu is supposed to run from the hotplug script to handle this, but I'm not an expert in how this works. > These things seem to have a lot of trouble; a cd of floppy > get mounted and then can not be unmounted because it is "busy" or what > ever... we can not expect users to respect the unmount first rule... > they will simply yank the floppy or USB storage device. Can you immagin > how angry a user at home will be if he/she can not get the CD out of the > drive (I know there is a lazy unmount option, but I am one in a milion)? > These things occur most frequently when items are mounted with > alternate credentials. This is another problem entierly. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Alexander Larsson Red Hat, Inc alexl at redhat.com alla at lysator.liu.se He's a suicidal Catholic vagrant from the 'hood. She's a man-hating mutant magician's assistant who don't take no shit from nobody. They fight crime! From ms-nospam-0306 at arcor.de Wed Dec 3 10:32:31 2003 From: ms-nospam-0306 at arcor.de (Michael Schwendt) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 11:32:31 +0100 Subject: Bug Day 8: Dec 03,2003: For a change of pace, this reminder is a a day before the actual bugday In-Reply-To: <1070381561.10872.134.camel@spatula.pppl.gov> References: <1070381561.10872.134.camel@spatula.pppl.gov> Message-ID: <20031203113231.3dc601a4.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de> On Tue, 02 Dec 2003 11:12:41 -0500, Jef Spaleta wrote: > *Become involved in the fedora.us QA process and help QA packages that > are waiting to be published in the fedora.us addon repo: > http://www.fedora.us/QA . There are 293 packages sitting waiting for > QA. And 38 of those packages are flagged as UPDATE. So, if there's software included which you use, consider checking out the update and vote on whether you think it's ready/working. -- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From operalover_99 at yahoo.com Wed Dec 3 13:31:37 2003 From: operalover_99 at yahoo.com (Michael Smith) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 05:31:37 -0800 (PST) Subject: CD burning software In-Reply-To: <20031203013031.GD1404654@hiwaay.net> Message-ID: <20031203133137.8956.qmail@web11005.mail.yahoo.com> Chris, --- Chris Adams wrote: > SYSLINUX doesn't know how to read from CDs. > ISOLINUX is different; it > does not use a bootable floppy image, however it > still uses the El > Torito extensions (it doesn't know how to read from > the CD itself). > > El Torito specifies several BIOS extensions for > booting from CD; the > most commonly used (and most commonly supported) is > to put the image of > a bootable floppy and have the El Torito extension > read it and emulate a > floppy drive. Some computers that support El Torito > extensions only > support booting from a floppy image. > I've always wondered why some computers will not boot from a bootable install disk, while others will boot from the same disk. Thanks for the explanation. Mike Smith __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/ From nbecker at hns.com Wed Dec 3 14:11:06 2003 From: nbecker at hns.com (Neal D. Becker) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 09:11:06 -0500 Subject: daemontools failed compilation (what about qmail?) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200312030911.06779.nbecker@hns.com> On Wednesday 03 December 2003 09:04, Paolo Nesti Poggi wrote: > Hi, > > I'm trying to install dnscache thus starting with daemontools > (http://cr.yp.to/daemontools/install.html). > As you can see from the output below svscan didn't get compiled. > Has anyone succeed in it and do you have any suggestion? > Come on, this is fedora list, not howto program in c list. Try usenet. From akabi at speakeasy.net Wed Dec 3 14:37:55 2003 From: akabi at speakeasy.net (ne...) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 09:37:55 -0500 (EST) Subject: daemontools failed compilation (what about qmail?) In-Reply-To: <200312030911.06779.nbecker@hns.com> References: <200312030911.06779.nbecker@hns.com> Message-ID: On Dec 3, 2003 at 09:11, Neal D. Becker in a soothing rage wrote: >On Wednesday 03 December 2003 09:04, Paolo Nesti Poggi wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I'm trying to install dnscache thus starting with daemontools >> (http://cr.yp.to/daemontools/install.html). >> As you can see from the output below svscan didn't get compiled. >> Has anyone succeed in it and do you have any suggestion? >> > >Come on, this is fedora list, not howto program in c list. Try usenet. Aktually this is fedora-test-list, the list for _test_ releases of Fedora. I think the OP needs to add '#include errno.h' to the code. N.Emile... -- Registered Linux User # 125653 (http://counter.li.org) Switch to: http://www.speakeasy.net/refer/190653 I hope you millionaires are having fun! I just invested half your life savings in yeast!! 09:35:45 up 10 days, 13:38, 4 users, load average: 0.00, 0.05, 0.15 From jlb17 at duke.edu Wed Dec 3 15:28:45 2003 From: jlb17 at duke.edu (Joshua Baker-LePain) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 10:28:45 -0500 (EST) Subject: FC1 AMD64 Preview installer crash In-Reply-To: <1070401690.31406.17.camel@opus> Message-ID: I've been doing more testing... On 2 Dec 2003 at 4:48pm, seth vidal wrote > > [1] It OOPSes on boot. If I edit the boot line in grub to add a serial > > console, it seems to actually boot (??), but has the library issues I > > see others having in the archives. > > Mine will oops on boot too, for the smp kernel only. > > the up kernel boots fine. Not mine. The UP kernel on mine also oopses on boot, and then fails to mount /. And this one isn't fixed by enabling the serial console, so I've got a trace: http://www.duke.edu/~jlb17/crash.acpi.8GB.up If I boot with 'mem=2048M', then the UP kernel boots just fine. Recall, this system has 8GB of RAM. -- Joshua Baker-LePain Department of Biomedical Engineering Duke University From 64bit_fedora at comcast.net Wed Dec 3 16:11:39 2003 From: 64bit_fedora at comcast.net (Justin M. Forbes) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 10:11:39 -0600 Subject: FC1 AMD64 Preview installer crash In-Reply-To: References: <1070401690.31406.17.camel@opus> Message-ID: <20031203161138.GB2970@comcast.net> On Wed, Dec 03, 2003 at 10:28:45AM -0500, Joshua Baker-LePain wrote: > I've been doing more testing... > > If I boot with 'mem=2048M', then the UP kernel boots just fine. Recall, > this system has 8GB of RAM. I will look into this and see what I can find out. Thanks for the feedback. Justin From operalover_99 at yahoo.com Wed Dec 3 16:23:02 2003 From: operalover_99 at yahoo.com (Michael Smith) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 08:23:02 -0800 (PST) Subject: rewrite bootloader Message-ID: <20031203162302.96054.qmail@web11008.mail.yahoo.com> Dear All, I have several experimental Linux installs, plus one production install, with a boot floppy for each. The latest install, of course, puts its own bootloader on the hard disk (the Fedora 1.0 bootloader was overwritten by Mandrake 9.2). Now, my problem is that I want to make Fedora 1.0 boot from the hard disk, but I cannot find the maintenance tool to rewrite the bootloader in any of the menus. What am I overlooking? How do I rewrite the bootloader. Thanks for your help. Mike Smith __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/ From david.balazic at hermes.si Wed Dec 3 16:47:13 2003 From: david.balazic at hermes.si (David Balazic) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 17:47:13 +0100 Subject: rewrite bootloader Message-ID: <600B91D5E4B8D211A58C00902724252C01BC046C@piramida.hermes.si> run this : grub-install for exmaple : grub-install /dev/hda Make sure the /etc/grub.conf file has the right contents. > ---------- > From: Michael Smith[SMTP:operalover_99 at yahoo.com] > Reply To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com > Sent: 3. december 2003 17:23 > To: fedora-test > Subject: rewrite bootloader > > Dear All, > > I have several experimental Linux installs, plus one > production install, with a boot floppy for each. The > latest install, of course, puts its own bootloader on > the hard disk (the Fedora 1.0 bootloader was > overwritten by Mandrake 9.2). > > Now, my problem is that I want to make Fedora 1.0 boot > from the hard disk, but I cannot find the maintenance > tool to rewrite the bootloader in any of the menus. > What am I overlooking? How do I rewrite the > bootloader. > > Thanks for your help. > Mike Smith > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now > http://companion.yahoo.com/ > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > From ted at cypress.com Wed Dec 3 17:00:08 2003 From: ted at cypress.com (Thomas Dodd) Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 11:00:08 -0600 Subject: rewrite bootloader In-Reply-To: <20031203162302.96054.qmail@web11008.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20031203162302.96054.qmail@web11008.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3FCE1698.1080006@cypress.com> Michael Smith wrote: > latest install, of course, puts its own bootloader on > the hard disk (the Fedora 1.0 bootloader was > overwritten by Mandrake 9.2). That's a bug you should report to Mandrake. There should be an option to add the new kernel to the existing bootloader, or not modify it at all. > Now, my problem is that I want to make Fedora 1.0 boot > from the hard disk, but I cannot find the maintenance > tool to rewrite the bootloader in any of the menus. > What am I overlooking? How do I rewrite the > bootloader. What bootloader did Mandrake install? Which one do you want to use? You can probably boot FC1 from floppy, add lines for mandrake in /etc/grub.conf, and run grub-install. -Thomas From fedora at leemhuis.info Wed Dec 3 17:31:00 2003 From: fedora at leemhuis.info (Thorsten Leemhuis) Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 18:31:00 +0100 Subject: rewrite bootloader In-Reply-To: <600B91D5E4B8D211A58C00902724252C01BC046C@piramida.hermes.si> References: <600B91D5E4B8D211A58C00902724252C01BC046C@piramida.hermes.si> Message-ID: <1070472660.1723.14.camel@work.thl.home> Am Mi, den 03.12.2003 schrieb David Balazic um 17:47: Corrected top posting ;-) > > ---------- > > From: Michael Smith[SMTP:operalover_99 at yahoo.com] > > Reply To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com > > Sent: 3. december 2003 17:23 > > To: fedora-test > > Subject: rewrite bootloader > > > > Dear All, > > > > I have several experimental Linux installs, plus one > > production install, with a boot floppy for each. The > > latest install, of course, puts its own bootloader on > > the hard disk (the Fedora 1.0 bootloader was > > overwritten by Mandrake 9.2). > > > > Now, my problem is that I want to make Fedora 1.0 boot > > from the hard disk, but I cannot find the maintenance > > tool to rewrite the bootloader in any of the menus. > > What am I overlooking? How do I rewrite the > > bootloader. > > run this : grub-install > for exmaple : grub-install /dev/hda > > Make sure the /etc/grub.conf file has the right contents. Just FYI: >From # info grub Installation/Installing GRUB using grub-install: ---- *Caution:* This procedure is definitely deprecated, because there are several posibilities that your computer can be unbootable. For example, most operating systems don't tell GRUB how to map BIOS drives to OS devices correctly, GRUB merely "guesses" the mapping. This will succeed in most cases, but not always. So GRUB provides you with a user-defined map file called "device map", which you must fix, if it is wrong. ---- Look at # info grub Installation/Installing GRUB natively: Short form: ---- root (hd0,5) setup (hd0) ---- will install grub in mbr of the first harddisk (hd0) an look for its config and other grub files on the second logical Partition (hd0,5 -- presumable /dev/hda6) CU thl BTW: fedora-test-list is IMHO not the right place for this From david.balazic at hermes.si Wed Dec 3 17:33:44 2003 From: david.balazic at hermes.si (David Balazic) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 18:33:44 +0100 Subject: rewrite bootloader Message-ID: <600B91D5E4B8D211A58C00902724252C01BC046E@piramida.hermes.si> > Am Mi, den 03.12.2003 schrieb David Balazic um 17:47: > > Corrected top posting ;-) soory for that. I blame my MUA :-) > > > ---------- > > > From: Michael Smith[SMTP:operalover_99 at yahoo.com] > > > Reply To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com > > > Sent: 3. december 2003 17:23 > > > To: fedora-test > > > Subject: rewrite bootloader > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > I have several experimental Linux installs, plus one > > > production install, with a boot floppy for each. The > > > latest install, of course, puts its own bootloader on > > > the hard disk (the Fedora 1.0 bootloader was > > > overwritten by Mandrake 9.2). > > > > > > Now, my problem is that I want to make Fedora 1.0 boot > > > from the hard disk, but I cannot find the maintenance > > > tool to rewrite the bootloader in any of the menus. > > > What am I overlooking? How do I rewrite the > > > bootloader. > > > > run this : grub-install > > for exmaple : grub-install /dev/hda > > > > Make sure the /etc/grub.conf file has the right contents. > > Just FYI: > > >From > # info grub > Installation/Installing GRUB using grub-install: > ---- > *Caution:* This procedure is definitely deprecated, because there > are several posibilities that your computer can be unbootable. For > example, most operating systems don't tell GRUB how to map BIOS drives > to OS devices correctly, GRUB merely "guesses" the mapping. This will > succeed in most cases, but not always. So GRUB provides you with a > user-defined map file called "device map", which you must fix, if it is > wrong. > ---- > > Look at > # info grub > Installation/Installing GRUB natively: > Short form: > ---- > root (hd0,5) > setup (hd0) > ---- > will install grub in mbr of the first harddisk (hd0) an look for its > config and other grub files on the second logical Partition (hd0,5 -- > presumable /dev/hda6) > > CU > thl > > BTW: fedora-test-list is IMHO not the right place for this > I ran grub-install many times and I never noticed any messages about deprecation ??? > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > From joden at malachi.lee.k12.nc.us Wed Dec 3 17:43:56 2003 From: joden at malachi.lee.k12.nc.us (James Olin Oden) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 12:43:56 -0500 (EST) Subject: CD burning software In-Reply-To: <20031203013031.GD1404654@hiwaay.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 2 Dec 2003, Chris Adams wrote: > Once upon a time, James Olin Oden said: > > Actually, I believe ISOLINUX is still doing the "El Torrito" Bootable > > floppy image thing, but the image contians a "syslinux" boot loader smart > > enough to read from the cdrom drive to get its configuration. > > SYSLINUX doesn't know how to read from CDs. ISOLINUX is different; it > does not use a bootable floppy image, however it still uses the El > Torito extensions (it doesn't know how to read from the CD itself). > > El Torito specifies several BIOS extensions for booting from CD; the > most commonly used (and most commonly supported) is to put the image of > a bootable floppy and have the El Torito extension read it and emulate a > floppy drive. Some computers that support El Torito extensions only > support booting from a floppy image. > > ISOLINUX uses a "no emulation" mode, where BIOS INT13 calls can be used > to read blocks from a CD (more or less like reading from a hard drive in > real mode). ISOLINUX does know how to read a basic ISO9660 filesystem > to find the files. > > Not all computers that support booting from a floppy image will boot > from a "no emulation" CD, but most do. IIRC, for RHL9, the second CD > was also bootable, using a floppy image for the computers that didn't > support the other way. > Thanks for that explanation. Some things that were mysteries to me are now explaned. Cheers...james > From notting at redhat.com Wed Dec 3 19:39:37 2003 From: notting at redhat.com (Bill Nottingham) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 14:39:37 -0500 Subject: Fedora Core 1 Test Update: gnucash-1.8.8-1 Message-ID: <20031203193937.GB1230@devserv.devel.redhat.com> --------------------------------------------------------------------- Fedora Test Update Notification FEDORA-2003-029 2003-12-03 --------------------------------------------------------------------- Name : gnucash Version : 1.8.8 Release : 1 Summary : GnuCash is an application to keep track of your finances. Description : GnuCash is a personal finance manager. A check-book like register GUI allows you to enter and track bank accounts, stocks, income and even currency trades. The interface is designed to be simple and easy to use, but is backed with double-entry accounting principles to ensure balanced books. --------------------------------------------------------------------- * Tue Dec 02 2003 Bill Nottingham 1.8.8-1 - update to 1.8.8 --------------------------------------------------------------------- This update can be downloaded from: http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/updates/testing/1/ 126166a48ea61d1e5509df3c4d7a144e SRPMS/gnucash-1.8.8-1.src.rpm 425f4078150887dc7a9b83b6a26b4d85 i386/gnucash-1.8.8-1.i386.rpm 8c46d519a882f781bddf207caf72c8a4 i386/gnucash-backend-postgres-1.8.8-1.i386.rpm afe30e2c2980783800e98920405982da i386/debug/gnucash-debuginfo-1.8.8-1.i386.rpm This update can also be installed with the Update Agent; you can launch the Update Agent with the 'up2date' command. --------------------------------------------------------------------- From whb at ceimaine.org Wed Dec 3 19:44:09 2003 From: whb at ceimaine.org (Will Backman) Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 14:44:09 -0500 Subject: Fedora Core 1 Test Update: gnucash-1.8.8-1 In-Reply-To: <20031203193937.GB1230@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <20031203193937.GB1230@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1070480649.6915.5.camel@dbxwsd21> On Wed, 2003-12-03 at 14:39, Bill Nottingham wrote: > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > * Tue Dec 02 2003 Bill Nottingham 1.8.8-1 > > - update to 1.8.8 > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- Could we get a reason? Bug fixes? Features? Security? Do we leave it up to me to ask GnuCash what the difference is? From fedora-test-list at war-driving.org Wed Dec 3 19:55:03 2003 From: fedora-test-list at war-driving.org (Marcus Specht) Date: 03 Dec 2003 20:55:03 +0100 Subject: Fedora Core 1 Test Update: gnucash-1.8.8-1 In-Reply-To: <1070480649.6915.5.camel@dbxwsd21> References: <20031203193937.GB1230@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1070480649.6915.5.camel@dbxwsd21> Message-ID: <1070481302.3211.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> Am Mi, 2003-12-03 um 20.44 schrieb Will Backman: [...] > Could we get a reason? Because gnucash got updated to a new Version?!? > Bug fixes? Features? Security? >From www.gnucash.org: What's New in GnuCash 1.8.8? o HBCI - Improve error message when receiving zero balance from bank. o Add account template for Swiss German businesses "KMU" by Tom Winterhalder o Add *big* account template for German businesses "SKR04" by Betina Schmidt o Add Catalan and Turkish translation, Updated German, Italian, Czech, Greek and Dutch translations. o Add Turkish account template. Updated Greek account templates. o Remove debian scripts o Add a comment about minimum string length o Fix the ISO_DATELEN to be "long enough" o Fix handling of HBCI direct debits (fix wrong textkey). Fix and initially implement handling of multiple banks/users/customers. o Fixed extremly stupid, old bug that causes weird HBCI errors. Improved user messages. o Refactor some GUI code. Improve user messages. o BillTermDecRef should have been BillTermIncRef when setting new bill term. o Applied Frank Pavageau's patch regarding capital gains to handle split transactions. o Don't make a timespec with tv_sec == 0. Fixes some tests on the alpha platform. > Do we leave it up to me to ask GnuCash what the difference is? Yes From whb at ceimaine.org Wed Dec 3 20:00:22 2003 From: whb at ceimaine.org (Will Backman) Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 15:00:22 -0500 Subject: Fedora Core 1 Test Update: gnucash-1.8.8-1 In-Reply-To: <1070481302.3211.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <20031203193937.GB1230@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1070480649.6915.5.camel@dbxwsd21> <1070481302.3211.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1070481622.6915.8.camel@dbxwsd21> On Wed, 2003-12-03 at 14:55, Marcus Specht wrote: > > > Do we leave it up to me to ask GnuCash what the difference is? > Yes The only reason I ask... With Redhat, I can prioritize based on what kind of update it is. I can focus on security updates right away. With the current Fedora, I have to do some research. Just lazy, I guess. From clemens at dwf.com Wed Dec 3 20:02:26 2003 From: clemens at dwf.com (clemens at dwf.com) Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 13:02:26 -0700 Subject: CUPS - GS - question/problem Message-ID: <200312032002.hB3K2QMW017791@orion.dwf.com> Cups uses Ghostscript to print to non-Postscript printers. And it needs its own version of gs, with its print driver installed in it. OK. I just had problems printing to one printer that I KNOW I had been able to print to before, and ran it down to there being two copies of gs on my system,- one in /usr/bin/gs the other in /usr/local/bin/gs and CUPS using the wrong one. Ive LOOKED but havent found any way to configure CUPS to use a specific version (path) to gs. My hope was that this would be in cups.conf, but no luck. So the question. Is it possible to configure CUPS to use a specific version of gs??? and yes, there are reasons for my having two versions on the system. -- Reg.Clemens reg at dwf.com From rhl at farorbit.com Wed Dec 3 20:09:33 2003 From: rhl at farorbit.com (stephan schutter) Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 14:09:33 -0600 Subject: ok -- does anyone of you have a ks.cfg example that works that I may look at? Message-ID: <3FCE42FD.2080108@farorbit.com> From roger at gwch.net Wed Dec 3 20:16:50 2003 From: roger at gwch.net (Grosswiler Roger) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 21:16:50 +0100 (CET) Subject: k3b - k3bsetup Message-ID: <32878.192.168.0.100.1070482610.squirrel@www.gwch.net> thx a lot to all! i found k3bsetup2 by entering in shell 'kdesu kcmshell k3bsetup2' but the following error occured: does anybody know about this? kbuildsycoca running... QMutex::unlock: unlock from different thread than locker was locked by 0, unlock attempt from -1084987456 [root at morpheus root]# Mutex destroy failure: Das Ger?t oder die Ressource ist belegt thx Roger From notting at redhat.com Wed Dec 3 20:28:13 2003 From: notting at redhat.com (Bill Nottingham) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 15:28:13 -0500 Subject: Fedora Core 1 Test Update: gnucash-1.8.8-1 In-Reply-To: <1070480649.6915.5.camel@dbxwsd21> References: <20031203193937.GB1230@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1070480649.6915.5.camel@dbxwsd21> Message-ID: <20031203202813.GD1230@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Will Backman (whb at ceimaine.org) said: > On Wed, 2003-12-03 at 14:39, Bill Nottingham wrote: > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > * Tue Dec 02 2003 Bill Nottingham 1.8.8-1 > > > > - update to 1.8.8 > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Could we get a reason? Because there's a new version. Nothing more than that. > Bug fixes? Features? Security? If it's security, the notice will state somewhere, probably in the subject as well as the body. We'll get it more standardized soon. Bill From b-nordquist at bethel.edu Wed Dec 3 20:31:16 2003 From: b-nordquist at bethel.edu (Brent J. Nordquist) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 14:31:16 -0600 (CST) Subject: FC1 AMD64 Preview installer crash In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 2 Dec 2003, Joshua Baker-LePain wrote: > I'm trying to install the AMD64 preview of FC1 on a dual Opteron system > (dual 240s, HDAMA motherboard, 8GB RAM). Anaconda crashes (with a > kernel BUG) just as it's starting the text mode installer. If I boot > with mem=2048M, the installer works just fine, Here's my crash (there are two in this file; the second one was adding mem=512M which didn't help): http://kepler.acns.bethel.edu/~bjn/fedora64-crash.txt Tyan Thunder K8S (S2880GNR) One Opteron240 CPU One 512MB DIMM (FC1 32-bit running fine on this machine.) -- Brent J. Nordquist N0BJN Other contact information: http://kepler.acns.bethel.edu/~bjn/contact.html * Fast pipe * Always on * Get out of the way - Tim Bray http://tinyurl.com/7sti From charlescurley at charlescurley.com Wed Dec 3 20:50:57 2003 From: charlescurley at charlescurley.com (Charles Curley) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 13:50:57 -0700 Subject: ok -- does anyone of you have a ks.cfg example that works that I may look at? In-Reply-To: <3FCE42FD.2080108@farorbit.com> References: <3FCE42FD.2080108@farorbit.com> Message-ID: <20031203205057.GA27426@charlescurley.com> On Wed, Dec 03, 2003 at 02:09:33PM -0600, stephan schutter wrote: > Yes. I'll send it privately so as not to clutter up the list. I wonder if the problem is that you have a blank ine after your %post line??? I don't, and mine works. -- Charles Curley /"\ ASCII Ribbon Campaign Looking for fine software \ / Respect for open standards and/or writing? X No HTML/RTF in email http://www.charlescurley.com / \ No M$ Word docs in email Key fingerprint = CE5C 6645 A45A 64E4 94C0 809C FFF6 4C48 4ECD DFDB -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From tmus at get2net.dk Wed Dec 3 21:55:06 2003 From: tmus at get2net.dk (Thomas Munck Steenholdt) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 22:55:06 +0100 (CET) Subject: ok -- does anyone of you have a ks.cfg example that works that Imay look at? In-Reply-To: <3FCE42FD.2080108@farorbit.com> References: <3FCE42FD.2080108@farorbit.com> Message-ID: <1828.32.106.38.6.1070488506.squirrel@www.tmus.dk> > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > Yes - YOU do! It's in /root of your freshly installed redhat system called anaconda-ks.cfg and contains the configuration you made installing you own system (dangerous stuff commented out like partitioning) Hope this helps! Thomas From 64bit_fedora at comcast.net Wed Dec 3 22:12:17 2003 From: 64bit_fedora at comcast.net (Justin M. Forbes) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 16:12:17 -0600 Subject: AMD64 Preview Release Updates Message-ID: <20031203221217.GA7006@comcast.net> For those of you running the AMD64 preview release, please download and install the updated yum located at: http://fedora.linux.duke.edu/fc1_x86_64/updates I will be posting updates there as they are available (with announcements here of course). Currently there are 2 updates. - kernel: is just an AMD64 build of the FC1 errata kernel, please see the changelog posted by Dave for changes here. One extra note, the preview release kernel has libata merged, the updated FC1 kernel does not, so do not update if you are currently dependant on it. - yum: Yum is taken from the latest yum daily snapshot RPM. The only modification here is the yum.conf. You will need to replace your yum.conf with the one included in this package or add its entries. The largest change here of note is that this yum actually works with AMD64. I will post more as they are available. Justin M. Forbes -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From barry at cs.otago.ac.nz Wed Dec 3 22:14:14 2003 From: barry at cs.otago.ac.nz (Barry Wright) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 11:14:14 +1300 (NZDT) Subject: kick start... In-Reply-To: <3FCBC937.8030103@farorbit.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 1 Dec 2003, stephan schutter wrote: > I have been playing around with kick start... and for some reason it > refuses to do anything after the %post entry??!!! Why? What have I done > wrong? Is this the intended behaviour? .... > %post > > cat > /etc/resolv.conf < nameserver 10.104.241.115 > nameserver 10.114.215.20 > EOF I use a similar section to your code in one place in a floppy sourced ks.cfg file to write an entry to root's crontab. Reading your email and looking at the test FC1 installs I have been working with in the last couple of days has highlighted the fact that any %post command before it is completed, the crontab section that worked with RH7.2 no longer works and any of the code after it (with the exception screen echos to plot progress) is also not working. I have just completed a ks install with the crontab code at end of the %post section, all code up to it is now working, but the crontab section still fails to work. As a workaround I suggest you replace your code with the following echo "nameserver 10.104.241.115" >> /etc/resolv.conf echo "nameserver 10.114.215.20" >> /etc/resolv.conf At this stage I am not certain if there is a syntax error (the crontab section has been edited recently) in my ks.cfg or if the problem appeared with FC1. HTH Barry Wright Sys Admin Otago University NZ From twaugh at redhat.com Wed Dec 3 22:34:57 2003 From: twaugh at redhat.com (Tim Waugh) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 22:34:57 +0000 Subject: CUPS - GS - question/problem In-Reply-To: <200312032002.hB3K2QMW017791@orion.dwf.com> References: <200312032002.hB3K2QMW017791@orion.dwf.com> Message-ID: <20031203223457.GB30589@redhat.com> On Wed, Dec 03, 2003 at 01:02:26PM -0700, clemens at dwf.com wrote: > Cups uses Ghostscript to print to non-Postscript printers. > And it needs its own version of gs, with its print driver installed in it. > OK. > > I just had problems printing to one printer that I KNOW I had been > able to print to before, and ran it down to there being two copies > of gs on my system,- one in /usr/bin/gs the other in /usr/local/bin/gs > and CUPS using the wrong one. > > Ive LOOKED but havent found any way to configure CUPS to use a specific > version (path) to gs. My hope was that this would be in cups.conf, but > no luck. > > So the question. > Is it possible to configure CUPS to use a specific version of gs??? > and yes, there are reasons for my having two versions on the system. Why not start with explaining why it is that you need two versions? Tim. */ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Rsync is fast because it just sends the differences in the files over the network instead of sending the complete files. Rsync is often used as a very powerful mirroring process or just as a more capable replacement for the rcp command. A technical report which describes the rsync algorithm is included in this package. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Update Information: New rsync packages are available that fix a heap overflow in the rsync server; this vulnerability could be used to execute arbitrary code as an unprivileged user. It is recommended that all users using the server functionality of rsync upgrade to the fixed packages. --------------------------------------------------------------------- * Wed Dec 03 2003 Bill Nottingham 2.5.7-2 - rebuild * Wed Dec 03 2003 Bill Nottingham 2.5.7-1 - update to 2.5.7 --------------------------------------------------------------------- This update can be downloaded from: http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/updates/testing/1/ f0197db154b24365536b43d1925c8202 SRPMS/rsync-2.5.7-2.src.rpm 3b36cf7353f5fe5435434b41014ae82a i386/rsync-2.5.7-2.i386.rpm 2caa1a6631e87cd03e12d4c9f3b93c0d i386/debug/rsync-debuginfo-2.5.7-2.i386.rpm This update can also be installed with the Update Agent; you can launch the Update Agent with the 'up2date' command. --------------------------------------------------------------------- From warren at togami.com Thu Dec 4 11:29:05 2003 From: warren at togami.com (Warren Togami) Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 01:29:05 -1000 Subject: FC1 AMD64 Preview installer crash In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1070537345.2522.27.camel@laptop> On Wed, 2003-12-03 at 10:31, Brent J. Nordquist wrote: > On Tue, 2 Dec 2003, Joshua Baker-LePain wrote: > > > I'm trying to install the AMD64 preview of FC1 on a dual Opteron system > > (dual 240s, HDAMA motherboard, 8GB RAM). Anaconda crashes (with a > > kernel BUG) just as it's starting the text mode installer. If I boot > > with mem=2048M, the installer works just fine, > > Here's my crash (there are two in this file; the second one was adding > mem=512M which didn't help): > > http://kepler.acns.bethel.edu/~bjn/fedora64-crash.txt > > Tyan Thunder K8S (S2880GNR) > One Opteron240 CPU > One 512MB DIMM > > (FC1 32-bit running fine on this machine.) Any luck if you add "acpi=off"? Warren From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Thu Dec 4 13:32:01 2003 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 08:32:01 -0500 Subject: [SECURITY] Fedora Core 1 Test Update: rsync-2.5.7-2 In-Reply-To: <20031204055032.GA31412@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <20031204055032.GA31412@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1070544721.6964.50.camel@binkley> On Thu, 2003-12-04 at 00:50, Bill Nottingham wrote: > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > Fedora Test Security Update Notification > FEDORA-2003-030 > 2003-12-04 > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Name : rsync > Version : 2.5.7 > Release : 2 This is working just great for me, I think pushing this one to updates asap is a good idea. -sv From jlb17 at duke.edu Thu Dec 4 15:39:03 2003 From: jlb17 at duke.edu (Joshua Baker-LePain) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 10:39:03 -0500 (EST) Subject: FC1 AMD64 Preview installer crash In-Reply-To: <1070401690.31406.17.camel@opus> Message-ID: On 2 Dec 2003 at 4:48pm, seth vidal wrote > I've also noticed that if I disable acpi in the bios the oops changes > some. I don't think the bios is properly disabling acpi. Mine boots just fine if you leave ACPI on in the BIOS but put 'acpi=off' on the kernel boot line (as Warren suggested). There's still an oops during bootup, but it powers through and boots all the way up. The contents of /var/log/dmesg (including the non-crashing oops) after a successful boot are here: http://www.duke.edu/~jlb17/nocrash.acpioff.8GB.smp -- Joshua Baker-LePain Department of Biomedical Engineering Duke University From b-nordquist at bethel.edu Thu Dec 4 17:53:43 2003 From: b-nordquist at bethel.edu (Brent J. Nordquist) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 11:53:43 -0600 (CST) Subject: FC1 AMD64 Preview installer crash In-Reply-To: <1070537345.2522.27.camel@laptop> Message-ID: On Thu, 4 Dec 2003, Warren Togami wrote: > > Here's my crash > > Any luck if you add "acpi=off"? That does the trick! Thanks Warren and Justin. -- Brent J. Nordquist N0BJN Other contact information: http://kepler.acns.bethel.edu/~bjn/contact.html * Fast pipe * Always on * Get out of the way - Tim Bray http://tinyurl.com/7sti From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Thu Dec 4 17:55:50 2003 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: 04 Dec 2003 12:55:50 -0500 Subject: FC1 AMD64 Preview installer crash In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1070560550.7920.2.camel@opus> > > > Here's my crash > > > > Any luck if you add "acpi=off"? > > That does the trick! Thanks Warren and Justin. I tried acpi=off with my system and it still oopses out unless I have the serial terminal in the kernel line. -sv From florin at andrei.myip.org Thu Dec 4 18:53:19 2003 From: florin at andrei.myip.org (Florin Andrei) Date: 04 Dec 2003 10:53:19 -0800 Subject: Fedora 440GX boot disk test In-Reply-To: <200311092102.hA9L2cN29311@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <200311092102.hA9L2cN29311@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1070563999.29959.9.camel@rivendell.home.local> On Sun, 2003-11-09 at 13:02, Alan Cox wrote: > I've put a test boot floppy image for the 440GX on > http://people.redhat.com/alan > > Its generated by adding Len's fixes to the FC1 kernel and then remaking > the boot floppy. This one does not get blocked when booting up, but it doesn't load any module whatsoever. -- Florin Andrei http://florin.myip.org/ From twaugh at redhat.com Thu Dec 4 18:56:14 2003 From: twaugh at redhat.com (Tim Waugh) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 18:56:14 +0000 Subject: Fedora Core 1 Test Update: gphoto2-2.1.3-1 Message-ID: <20031204185614.GH30589@redhat.com> --------------------------------------------------------------------- Fedora Test Update Notification FEDORA-2003-028 2003-12-04 --------------------------------------------------------------------- Name : gphoto2 Version : 2.1.3 Release : 1 Summary : Software for accessing digital cameras Description : The gPhoto2 project is a universal, free application and library framework that lets you download images from several different digital camera models, including the newer models with USB connections. Note that a) for some older camera models you must use the old "gphoto" package. b) for USB mass storage models you must use the driver in the kernel This package contains i) the library that digital camera applications can use ii) the command-line utility gphoto2 Other (GUI) frontends are available separately. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Update Information: New packages are available for gPhoto2, in order to fix bug #111415. --------------------------------------------------------------------- * Wed Dec 03 2003 Tim Waugh 2.1.3-1 - 2.1.3. --------------------------------------------------------------------- This update can be downloaded from: http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/updates/testing/1/ 2e1335a8010dd12c6aba028c893f4e19 SRPMS/gphoto2-2.1.3-1.src.rpm b11418429e860c71e16f1b659769f045 i386/gphoto2-2.1.3-1.i386.rpm b459f6e3ae2437e8da984533081a4c3c i386/gphoto2-devel-2.1.3-1.i386.rpm ed0bdb7b5d0e4d8d7dd8821cd1594e93 i386/debug/gphoto2-debuginfo-2.1.3-1.i386.rpm This update can also be installed with the Update Agent; you can launch the Update Agent with the 'up2date' command. --------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks, Justin From update at alexevon.org Thu Dec 4 21:31:05 2003 From: update at alexevon.org (Alex F. Evonosky) Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 16:31:05 -0500 Subject: Fedora 440GX boot disk test In-Reply-To: <1070563999.29959.9.camel@rivendell.home.local> References: <200311092102.hA9L2cN29311@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1070563999.29959.9.camel@rivendell.home.local> Message-ID: <3FCFA799.5040305@alexevon.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I agree. Still says no hard drives found. Florin Andrei wrote: > On Sun, 2003-11-09 at 13:02, Alan Cox wrote: > >> I've put a test boot floppy image for the 440GX on >> http://people.redhat.com/alan >> >> Its generated by adding Len's fixes to the FC1 kernel and then >> remaking the boot floppy. > > > This one does not get blocked when booting up, but it doesn't load > any module whatsoever. > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.3.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/z6eZi6NlI+CoSzsRAr1NAKCYyoljZIB9jQ5BjN2FAsRNPpk3EACeK+qL EGL+dem70Nd8t7pZXjYKGTg= =nqI6 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From alan at redhat.com Thu Dec 4 22:24:03 2003 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 17:24:03 -0500 Subject: Fedora 440GX boot disk test In-Reply-To: <3FCFA799.5040305@alexevon.org> References: <200311092102.hA9L2cN29311@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1070563999.29959.9.camel@rivendell.home.local> <3FCFA799.5040305@alexevon.org> Message-ID: <20031204222403.GA8952@devserv.devel.redhat.com> > I agree. > > Still says no hard drives found. It was only to test it doesnt get hung and verify the right fix for someone to rebuild boot images properly with that tiny change From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Thu Dec 4 23:09:35 2003 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: 04 Dec 2003 18:09:35 -0500 Subject: FC1 AMD64 Preview installer crash In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1070579375.8472.45.camel@opus> On Thu, 2003-12-04 at 10:39, Joshua Baker-LePain wrote: > On 2 Dec 2003 at 4:48pm, seth vidal wrote > > > I've also noticed that if I disable acpi in the bios the oops changes > > some. > > I don't think the bios is properly disabling acpi. Mine boots just fine > if you leave ACPI on in the BIOS but put 'acpi=off' on the kernel > boot line (as Warren suggested). There's still an oops during bootup, but > it powers through and boots all the way up. The contents of > /var/log/dmesg (including the non-crashing oops) after a successful boot > are here: > > http://www.duke.edu/~jlb17/nocrash.acpioff.8GB.smp > this is the identical oops I get when I boot w/o a serial console on. But mine hangs and throws a single keventd error after the oops before the keyboard lights start blinking (no, I'm not making this up) -sv From twaugh at redhat.com Fri Dec 5 12:49:46 2003 From: twaugh at redhat.com (Tim Waugh) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 12:49:46 +0000 Subject: CUPS - GS - question/problem In-Reply-To: <200312041907.hB4J7hWA019488@orion.dwf.com> References: <20031203223457.GB30589@redhat.com> <200312041907.hB4J7hWA019488@orion.dwf.com> Message-ID: <20031205124946.GI30589@redhat.com> On Thu, Dec 04, 2003 at 12:07:43PM -0700, reg at dwf.com wrote: > > > > So the question. > > > Is it possible to configure CUPS to use a specific version of gs??? > > > and yes, there are reasons for my having two versions on the system. > > > > Why not start with explaining why it is that you need two versions? > > > > Im smart enough to change MY environment so it CUPS doesnt see the > wrong gs, the question was is CUPS smart enough to be told where to > look. > > As to why, one version is experimental, and may or may not work, and > it surely doesnt have the CUPS drivers in it. If you're doing development and know what you're doing, great. Start cupsd with the PATH you want and you're set. Tim. */ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From jlb17 at duke.edu Fri Dec 5 13:27:12 2003 From: jlb17 at duke.edu (Joshua Baker-LePain) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 08:27:12 -0500 (EST) Subject: FC1 AMD64 Preview installer crash In-Reply-To: <1070579375.8472.45.camel@opus> Message-ID: On 4 Dec 2003 at 6:09pm, seth vidal wrote > On Thu, 2003-12-04 at 10:39, Joshua Baker-LePain wrote: > > On 2 Dec 2003 at 4:48pm, seth vidal wrote > > > > > I've also noticed that if I disable acpi in the bios the oops changes > > > some. > > > > I don't think the bios is properly disabling acpi. Mine boots just fine > > if you leave ACPI on in the BIOS but put 'acpi=off' on the kernel > > boot line (as Warren suggested). There's still an oops during bootup, but > > it powers through and boots all the way up. The contents of > > /var/log/dmesg (including the non-crashing oops) after a successful boot > > are here: > > > > http://www.duke.edu/~jlb17/nocrash.acpioff.8GB.smp > > > > this is the identical oops I get when I boot w/o a serial console on. > > But mine hangs and throws a single keventd error after the oops before > the keyboard lights start blinking (no, I'm not making this up) Booting my 8GB node with mem=1024M does indeed get it to hang after the oops. Same for mem=2048M and mem=4033M[1]. mem=4095M got it to boot up. Is there some other magic value I should try that would help pin down where the border is? [1] The system messages mention "Your BIOS doesn't leave a aperture memory hole\Please enable the IOMMU option in the BIOS setup\This costs you 64 MB of RAM", so I tried 4096-64+1. -- Joshua Baker-LePain Department of Biomedical Engineering Duke University From ckloiber at redhat.com Sat Dec 6 13:06:59 2003 From: ckloiber at redhat.com (Chris Kloiber) Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2003 21:06:59 +0800 Subject: FC1 AMD64 Preview installer crash In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1070716018.8702.184.camel@outhouse.rdu.redhat.com> On Thu, 2003-12-04 at 04:31, Brent J. Nordquist wrote: > On Tue, 2 Dec 2003, Joshua Baker-LePain wrote: > > > I'm trying to install the AMD64 preview of FC1 on a dual Opteron system > > (dual 240s, HDAMA motherboard, 8GB RAM). Anaconda crashes (with a > > kernel BUG) just as it's starting the text mode installer. If I boot > > with mem=2048M, the installer works just fine, > > Here's my crash (there are two in this file; the second one was adding > mem=512M which didn't help): > > http://kepler.acns.bethel.edu/~bjn/fedora64-crash.txt > > Tyan Thunder K8S (S2880GNR) > One Opteron240 CPU > One 512MB DIMM > > (FC1 32-bit running fine on this machine.) There is something funky with that motherboard. It's known not to work with Red Hat Enterprise Linux 3 for AMD64. Ask Tyan what they are doing differently than other vendors of dual processor AMD64 systems that do work. Which are curently known to work (and are certified on RHEL 3): IBM e325 Opteron Which have I heard do work (word of mouth): AMD Melody AMD Solo AMD Quartet AMD Serenade Newisys 2100 AMD Rhapsody (also BoxxTech M4 Series) What is known not to work (or have problems): Asus SK8N Tyan Thunder S2880 The list is not complete, subject to change, I have no idea which are dual processor, and really was meant for RHEL3, so your mileage my vary. I have also heard you might get the Tyan booting if you install only 4Gig (or less) of ram. Which seems kind of silly as you bought the AMD64 to use *LOTS* of ram, but if you get it installed, you can try the errata kernel out. Let me know if it works. -- Chris Kloiber Red Hat, Inc. From ckloiber at redhat.com Sat Dec 6 13:15:21 2003 From: ckloiber at redhat.com (Chris Kloiber) Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2003 21:15:21 +0800 Subject: FC1 AMD64 Preview installer crash In-Reply-To: <1070716018.8702.184.camel@outhouse.rdu.redhat.com> References: <1070716018.8702.184.camel@outhouse.rdu.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1070716521.8702.189.camel@outhouse.rdu.redhat.com> On Sat, 2003-12-06 at 21:06, Chris Kloiber wrote: > I have also heard you might get the Tyan booting if you install only > 4Gig (or less) of ram. Which seems kind of silly as you bought the AMD64 > to use *LOTS* of ram, but if you get it installed, you can try the > errata kernel out. Let me know if it works. Doh! The errata kernel is of course for Red Hat Enterprise Linux 3. Let's call it a work related accident, ok? -- Chris Kloiber Red Hat, Inc. From kyon at verizon.net Sat Dec 6 19:32:24 2003 From: kyon at verizon.net (Kyon) Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 11:32:24 -0800 Subject: Problems with IDE controller (sporadic) with the Fedora Kernel Message-ID: <200312061131.05053.tunaboy2@verizon.net> Folks, I have installed the fedora system on my girls computer, and have found that when I boot into the kernel from that system, I will get a system crash with the ide controller unable to write/read from the disk. This will happen not immediately, but after a few hours of operation. The one thing that may have occured is that the screen saver may have come on, I will find this after I come back to the system after it's been idle for a while (maybe there's a power saving ide suspend command that gets called when the system is idle) The system will NOT do this with the standard 9 kernel (and has been up and 'stable' for quite a while ~1.5yrs). The offending kernel is 2.4.21-20.1.2024.2.1.nptl and the reliable kernel is 2.4.20 (from a tar file, the Fedora core has helpfully removed all my previous kernels, I so notice now that I check). I did the config on this kernel tree on Feb 28, 2003, but I can't place it any more clearly in the kernel pantheon. The system is an ASUS A7S333 motherboard, and the portion of dmesg relevant to the ide is hda: WDC WD800JB-00DUA0, ATA DISK drive blk: queue c0400040, I/O limit 4095Mb (mask 0xffffffff) hdc: TDK CDRW241040X, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive ide0 at 0x1f0-0x1f7,0x3f6 on irq 14 ide1 at 0x170-0x177,0x376 on irq 15 hda: attached ide-disk driver. hda: host protected area => 1 hda: 156301488 sectors (80026 MB) w/8192KiB Cache, CHS=9729/255/63, UDMA(100) (i.e. a Western digital 80GB drive , in UDMA(100) mode. ) I also have the cdrom using ide-scsi, if that has any relevance. Am I alone in this problem, or are there other folks with this strange ide problem? -- Kyon From whooperhsd3 at earthlink.net Sat Dec 6 19:47:04 2003 From: whooperhsd3 at earthlink.net (William Hooper) Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 14:47:04 -0500 (EST) Subject: Problems with IDE controller (sporadic) with the Fedora Kernel In-Reply-To: <200312061131.05053.tunaboy2@verizon.net> References: <200312061131.05053.tunaboy2@verizon.net> Message-ID: <64704.69.68.37.57.1070740024.squirrel@69.68.37.57> Kyon said: > The system will NOT do this with the standard 9 kernel (and has been up > and > 'stable' for quite a while ~1.5yrs). The offending kernel is > 2.4.21-20.1.2024.2.1.nptl This is a Fedora Release kernel (and note there is a newer errata). Please discuss on the Fedora-list since it doesn't concern any testing packages. -- William Hooper From Lionel.Bouton at inet6.fr Sat Dec 6 19:55:11 2003 From: Lionel.Bouton at inet6.fr (Lionel Bouton) Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2003 20:55:11 +0100 Subject: Problems with IDE controller (sporadic) with the Fedora Kernel In-Reply-To: <200312061131.05053.tunaboy2@verizon.net> References: <200312061131.05053.tunaboy2@verizon.net> Message-ID: <3FD2341F.6060002@inet6.fr> Please try with kernel parameter noapic. SiS chipsets ioapic support is known to be buggy and sometimes cause such problems. -- Lionel Bouton - inet6 --------------------------------------------------------------------- o Siege social: 51, rue de Verdun - 92158 Suresnes / _ __ _ Acces Bureaux: 33 rue Benoit Malon - 92150 Suresnes / /\ /_ / /_ France \/ \/_ / /_/ Tel. +33 (0) 1 41 44 85 36 Inetsys S.A. Fax +33 (0) 1 46 97 20 10 From alan at redhat.com Sat Dec 6 20:01:07 2003 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 15:01:07 -0500 Subject: Problems with IDE controller (sporadic) with the Fedora Kernel In-Reply-To: <200312061131.05053.tunaboy2@verizon.net> References: <200312061131.05053.tunaboy2@verizon.net> Message-ID: <20031206200107.GA2326@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Sat, Dec 06, 2003 at 11:32:24AM -0800, Kyon wrote: > The system will NOT do this with the standard 9 kernel (and has been up and > 'stable' for quite a while ~1.5yrs). The offending kernel is > 2.4.21-20.1.2024.2.1.nptl > > Am I alone in this problem, or are there other folks with this strange ide > problem? For me the Fedora 1 CD kernel is ok, 2.4.23 is solid, but the 115 errata kernel for Fedora is unusable, and so bad I swapped to 2.4.23 From philip at wyett.net Sun Dec 7 05:26:43 2003 From: philip at wyett.net (Philip Wyett) Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2003 05:26:43 +0000 Subject: Problems with IDE controller (sporadic) with the Fedora Kernel In-Reply-To: <20031206200107.GA2326@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <200312061131.05053.tunaboy2@verizon.net> <20031206200107.GA2326@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1070774803.2480.32.camel@wyett> On Sat, 2003-12-06 at 20:01, Alan Cox wrote: > On Sat, Dec 06, 2003 at 11:32:24AM -0800, Kyon wrote: > > The system will NOT do this with the standard 9 kernel (and has been up and > > 'stable' for quite a while ~1.5yrs). The offending kernel is > > 2.4.21-20.1.2024.2.1.nptl The above 2.4.21-20.1.2024.2.1.nptl is NOT a Fedora Core 1 kernel. Which of the Fedora Core 1 2.4.22 kernels have you had an issue with? 1.5 years? Dunno which kernel you refer to for this or your just meaning the system, but it certainly isn't the 9 kernel being that 9 was released in April of 2003. The A7S333 is a nice board and I own two. One runs the Fedora Core 1 (currently kernel 2.4.22-1.2129.nptl) in production and another crash test dummy box running Fedora Core 1 with Arjan's 2.6.0 test kernels. > > > > Am I alone in this problem, or are there other folks with this strange ide > > problem? > > For me the Fedora 1 CD kernel is ok, 2.4.23 is solid, but the 115 errata > kernel for Fedora is unusable, and so bad I swapped to 2.4.23 > 2115 is the kernel shipped in Fedora Core 1 and the current updated kernel is 2129. Regards Phil -- Email: philip at wyett.net Website: http://www.wyett.net Public key: http://www.wyett.net/gpg/public_key.txt -- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Dave -- Dave Jones Red Hat From alan at redhat.com Mon Dec 8 00:17:43 2003 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 19:17:43 -0500 Subject: Problems with IDE controller (sporadic) with the Fedora Kernel In-Reply-To: <1070802020.1655.6.camel@delerium> References: <200312061131.05053.tunaboy2@verizon.net> <20031206200107.GA2326@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1070802020.1655.6.camel@delerium> Message-ID: <20031208001743.GA18866@devserv.devel.redhat.com> > > For me the Fedora 1 CD kernel is ok, 2.4.23 is solid, but the 115 errata > > kernel for Fedora is unusable, and so bad I swapped to 2.4.23 > > Fedora Core 1 kernel was 2115. I take it you mean the 2129 errata is > unusable ? Why so ? Keeps crashing, unfortunately only in X11 so I've got a trace off it. If I get more info it'll appear in bugzilla From davej at redhat.com Mon Dec 8 14:54:02 2003 From: davej at redhat.com (Dave Jones) Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2003 14:54:02 +0000 Subject: Problems with IDE controller (sporadic) with the Fedora Kernel In-Reply-To: <20031208001743.GA18866@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <200312061131.05053.tunaboy2@verizon.net> <20031206200107.GA2326@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1070802020.1655.6.camel@delerium> <20031208001743.GA18866@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1070895235.6492.5.camel@delerium> On Mon, 2003-12-08 at 00:17, Alan Cox wrote: > > Fedora Core 1 kernel was 2115. I take it you mean the 2129 errata is > > unusable ? Why so ? > > Keeps crashing, unfortunately only in X11 so I've got a trace off it. If > I get more info it'll appear in bugzilla Interesting, had it been inactive for a while when this happened ? I've seen xscreensaver lock up Victoria's laptop to the point I had to ssh in and kill it twice now. I've not managed to pin down the exact screensaver thats causing this. I can't even point the finger at DRI as its running unaccelerated 3d. Other than that, I've no idea right now. Dave -- Dave Jones Red Hat From alan at redhat.com Mon Dec 8 19:19:43 2003 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 14:19:43 -0500 Subject: Problems with IDE controller (sporadic) with the Fedora Kernel In-Reply-To: <1070895235.6492.5.camel@delerium> References: <200312061131.05053.tunaboy2@verizon.net> <20031206200107.GA2326@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1070802020.1655.6.camel@delerium> <20031208001743.GA18866@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1070895235.6492.5.camel@delerium> Message-ID: <20031208191943.GC1023@devserv.devel.redhat.com> > Interesting, had it been inactive for a while when this happened ? Yes, but dead with flashing lights not dead dead > I've seen xscreensaver lock up Victoria's laptop to the point I had to > ssh in and kill it twice now. I've not managed to pin down the exact > screensaver thats causing this. I can't even point the finger at DRI > as its running unaccelerated 3d. Switch to the 2D to unaccelerated and repeat the experiment. Good candidates will be accelerated arc support (because only X screensaver uses it) and similar things From rnix at prometheon.net Mon Dec 8 19:27:54 2003 From: rnix at prometheon.net (Ryan Nix) Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2003 13:27:54 -0600 Subject: Reiser support? Message-ID: <3FD4D0BA.1040302@prometheon.net> Hello all, I'm using Reiserfs with Fedora Core 1 but when I tried to install Arjanv's latest test 11 kernel, I get a kernel not found during boot init (during the display of Redhat release). I used yum and the kernel is clearly installed too. What I'm wondering is this: Do I need to pass a command in Grub to get this to work? Thanks in advance! Ryan From nbryant at optonline.net Mon Dec 8 19:38:11 2003 From: nbryant at optonline.net (Nathan Bryant) Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2003 14:38:11 -0500 Subject: Reiser support? In-Reply-To: <3FD4D0BA.1040302@prometheon.net> References: <3FD4D0BA.1040302@prometheon.net> Message-ID: <3FD4D323.4000306@optonline.net> Unclear - you get kernel not found or init not found? Ryan Nix wrote: > Hello all, > > I'm using Reiserfs with Fedora Core 1 but when I tried to install > Arjanv's latest test 11 kernel, I get a kernel not found during boot > init (during the display of Redhat release). I used yum and the > kernel is clearly installed too. What I'm wondering is this: Do I > need to pass a command in Grub to get this to work? > > Thanks in advance! > > Ryan > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > From rnix at prometheon.net Mon Dec 8 19:45:17 2003 From: rnix at prometheon.net (Ryan Nix) Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2003 13:45:17 -0600 Subject: Reiser support? In-Reply-To: <3FD4D323.4000306@optonline.net> References: <3FD4D0BA.1040302@prometheon.net> <3FD4D323.4000306@optonline.net> Message-ID: <3FD4D4CD.8060505@prometheon.net> Kernel not found. Its during init, when the graphical boot is about to start, I get the kernel not found error. Nathan Bryant wrote: > > Unclear - you get kernel not found or init not found? > > Ryan Nix wrote: > >> Hello all, >> >> I'm using Reiserfs with Fedora Core 1 but when I tried to install >> Arjanv's latest test 11 kernel, I get a kernel not found during boot >> init (during the display of Redhat release). I used yum and the >> kernel is clearly installed too. What I'm wondering is this: Do I >> need to pass a command in Grub to get this to work? >> >> Thanks in advance! >> >> Ryan >> >> >> -- >> fedora-test-list mailing list >> fedora-test-list at redhat.com >> http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list >> > > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > From nbryant at optonline.net Mon Dec 8 19:53:37 2003 From: nbryant at optonline.net (Nathan Bryant) Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2003 14:53:37 -0500 Subject: Reiser support? In-Reply-To: <3FD4D4CD.8060505@prometheon.net> References: <3FD4D0BA.1040302@prometheon.net> <3FD4D323.4000306@optonline.net> <3FD4D4CD.8060505@prometheon.net> Message-ID: <3FD4D6C1.1020207@optonline.net> Better transcribe retype and repost the messages leading up to that puppy. You are not making sense. Graphical boot (rhgb) does not start until the kernel is already booted. Normally I would suspect that the problem is in the mkinitrd or that arjan's test kernel doesn't ship with a reiser module. Ryan Nix wrote: > Kernel not found. Its during init, when the graphical boot is about > to start, I get the kernel not found error. > > Nathan Bryant wrote: > >> >> Unclear - you get kernel not found or init not found? >> >> Ryan Nix wrote: >> >>> Hello all, >>> >>> I'm using Reiserfs with Fedora Core 1 but when I tried to install >>> Arjanv's latest test 11 kernel, I get a kernel not found during boot >>> init (during the display of Redhat release). I used yum and the >>> kernel is clearly installed too. What I'm wondering is this: Do I >>> need to pass a command in Grub to get this to work? >>> >>> Thanks in advance! >>> >>> Ryan >>> >>> >>> -- >>> fedora-test-list mailing list >>> fedora-test-list at redhat.com >>> http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> fedora-test-list mailing list >> fedora-test-list at redhat.com >> http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list >> >> > > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > From rnix at prometheon.net Mon Dec 8 20:06:05 2003 From: rnix at prometheon.net (Ryan Nix) Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2003 14:06:05 -0600 Subject: Reiser support? In-Reply-To: <3FD4D6C1.1020207@optonline.net> References: <3FD4D0BA.1040302@prometheon.net> <3FD4D323.4000306@optonline.net> <3FD4D4CD.8060505@prometheon.net> <3FD4D6C1.1020207@optonline.net> Message-ID: <3FD4D9AD.2060302@prometheon.net> Shoot, sorry. It does say init not found. Kernel panic: No init found. Try passing init- option to kernel. Nathan Bryant wrote: > > Better transcribe retype and repost the messages leading up to that > puppy. You are not making sense. Graphical boot (rhgb) does not start > until the kernel is already booted. Normally I would suspect that the > problem is in the mkinitrd or that arjan's test kernel doesn't ship > with a reiser module. > > Ryan Nix wrote: > >> Kernel not found. Its during init, when the graphical boot is about >> to start, I get the kernel not found error. >> >> Nathan Bryant wrote: >> >>> >>> Unclear - you get kernel not found or init not found? >>> >>> Ryan Nix wrote: >>> >>>> Hello all, >>>> >>>> I'm using Reiserfs with Fedora Core 1 but when I tried to install >>>> Arjanv's latest test 11 kernel, I get a kernel not found during >>>> boot init (during the display of Redhat release). I used yum and >>>> the kernel is clearly installed too. What I'm wondering is this: >>>> Do I need to pass a command in Grub to get this to work? >>>> >>>> Thanks in advance! >>>> >>>> Ryan >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> fedora-test-list mailing list >>>> fedora-test-list at redhat.com >>>> http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> fedora-test-list mailing list >>> fedora-test-list at redhat.com >>> http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list >>> >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> fedora-test-list mailing list >> fedora-test-list at redhat.com >> http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list >> > > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > From nbryant at optonline.net Mon Dec 8 20:24:47 2003 From: nbryant at optonline.net (Nathan Bryant) Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2003 15:24:47 -0500 Subject: Reiser support? In-Reply-To: <3FD4D9AD.2060302@prometheon.net> References: <3FD4D0BA.1040302@prometheon.net> <3FD4D323.4000306@optonline.net> <3FD4D4CD.8060505@prometheon.net> <3FD4D6C1.1020207@optonline.net> <3FD4D9AD.2060302@prometheon.net> Message-ID: <3FD4DE0F.5040408@optonline.net> This same issue is bugging me too, preventing me from using arjan's kernel, but I am using ext3. I think the problem is in mkinitrd. I assume you see a message like "can't mount /" with an integer error code, followed by a pivot_root error. I don't think the problem is specific to the way arjan is building 2.6 because I had the same problem with my own build of 2.5.69. So the problem is in mkinitrd or is a bug in the upstream 2.6 kernel. FWIW, I can boot 2.6 if I build it myself and link in enough modules that I don't need an initrd. Ryan Nix wrote: > Shoot, sorry. It does say init not found. Kernel panic: No init > found. Try passing init- option to kernel. > > Nathan Bryant wrote: > >> >> Better transcribe retype and repost the messages leading up to that >> puppy. You are not making sense. Graphical boot (rhgb) does not start >> until the kernel is already booted. Normally I would suspect that the >> problem is in the mkinitrd or that arjan's test kernel doesn't ship >> with a reiser module. >> >> Ryan Nix wrote: >> >>> Kernel not found. Its during init, when the graphical boot is about >>> to start, I get the kernel not found error. >>> >>> Nathan Bryant wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> Unclear - you get kernel not found or init not found? >>>> >>>> Ryan Nix wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hello all, >>>>> >>>>> I'm using Reiserfs with Fedora Core 1 but when I tried to install >>>>> Arjanv's latest test 11 kernel, I get a kernel not found during >>>>> boot init (during the display of Redhat release). I used yum and >>>>> the kernel is clearly installed too. What I'm wondering is this: >>>>> Do I need to pass a command in Grub to get this to work? >>>>> >>>>> Thanks in advance! >>>>> >>>>> Ryan >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> fedora-test-list mailing list >>>>> fedora-test-list at redhat.com >>>>> http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> fedora-test-list mailing list >>>> fedora-test-list at redhat.com >>>> http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> fedora-test-list mailing list >>> fedora-test-list at redhat.com >>> http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> fedora-test-list mailing list >> fedora-test-list at redhat.com >> http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list >> >> > > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > From don.vanco at agilysys.com Mon Dec 8 20:41:17 2003 From: don.vanco at agilysys.com (Vanco, Don) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 15:41:17 -0500 Subject: understanding applications and PAE Message-ID: While I hate to use this as a support line I've gotten no help from the 2 local lugs I've queried, and know that there's some heavy hitters lurking here. I understand that the Linux kernel can (through PAE) provide memory paging beyond 4GB of physical memory on 32-bit architecture. What I need to understand is: what are the requirements on the application side to utilize this memory? I'm looking for documentation / links that talk about applications and PAE. Case in point: Lotus Notes on OS400 can address huge amount of RAM, but when it's running on Linux does it need to be compiled in a specific manner, or with some specific bit of code / API to address more than the architecture physically supports? Thanx Don From nbryant at optonline.net Mon Dec 8 20:59:09 2003 From: nbryant at optonline.net (Nathan Bryant) Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2003 15:59:09 -0500 Subject: understanding applications and PAE In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3FD4E61D.5090504@optonline.net> I think you can't do that currently. You can have multiple processes that collectively use more than 4 gigs but each process can only address 4 gigs. Vanco, Don wrote: >While I hate to use this as a support line I've gotten no help from the 2 >local lugs I've queried, and know that there's some heavy hitters lurking >here. > >I understand that the Linux kernel can (through PAE) provide memory paging >beyond 4GB of physical memory on 32-bit architecture. What I need to >understand is: what are the requirements on the application side to utilize >this memory? I'm looking for documentation / links that talk about >applications and PAE. > >Case in point: Lotus Notes on OS400 can address huge amount of RAM, but when >it's running on Linux does it need to be compiled in a specific manner, or >with some specific bit of code / API to address more than the architecture >physically supports? > >Thanx >Don > > >-- >fedora-test-list mailing list >fedora-test-list at redhat.com >http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > > From sflory at rackable.com Mon Dec 8 21:14:36 2003 From: sflory at rackable.com (Samuel Flory) Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2003 13:14:36 -0800 Subject: Reiser support? In-Reply-To: <3FD4DE0F.5040408@optonline.net> References: <3FD4D0BA.1040302@prometheon.net> <3FD4D323.4000306@optonline.net> <3FD4D4CD.8060505@prometheon.net> <3FD4D6C1.1020207@optonline.net> <3FD4D9AD.2060302@prometheon.net> <3FD4DE0F.5040408@optonline.net> Message-ID: <3FD4E9BC.3070202@rackable.com> Nathan Bryant wrote: > > This same issue is bugging me too, preventing me from using arjan's > kernel, but I am using ext3. I think the problem is in mkinitrd. > > I assume you see a message like "can't mount /" with an integer error > code, followed by a pivot_root error. > > I don't think the problem is specific to the way arjan is building 2.6 > because I had the same problem with my own build of 2.5.69. So the > problem is in mkinitrd or is a bug in the upstream 2.6 kernel. FWIW, I > can boot 2.6 if I build it myself and link in enough modules that I > don't need an initrd. Install the kernel-unsupported rpm, and recreate your initrd. The reiserfs module is in there. > > Ryan Nix wrote: > >> Shoot, sorry. It does say init not found. Kernel panic: No init >> found. Try passing init- option to kernel. >> >> Nathan Bryant wrote: >> >>> >>> Better transcribe retype and repost the messages leading up to that >>> puppy. You are not making sense. Graphical boot (rhgb) does not start >>> until the kernel is already booted. Normally I would suspect that the >>> problem is in the mkinitrd or that arjan's test kernel doesn't ship >>> with a reiser module. >>> >>> Ryan Nix wrote: >>> >>>> Kernel not found. Its during init, when the graphical boot is about >>>> to start, I get the kernel not found error. >>>> >>>> Nathan Bryant wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Unclear - you get kernel not found or init not found? >>>>> >>>>> Ryan Nix wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hello all, >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm using Reiserfs with Fedora Core 1 but when I tried to install >>>>>> Arjanv's latest test 11 kernel, I get a kernel not found during >>>>>> boot init (during the display of Redhat release). I used yum and >>>>>> the kernel is clearly installed too. What I'm wondering is this: >>>>>> Do I need to pass a command in Grub to get this to work? >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks in advance! >>>>>> >>>>>> Ryan >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> fedora-test-list mailing list >>>>>> fedora-test-list at redhat.com >>>>>> http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> fedora-test-list mailing list >>>>> fedora-test-list at redhat.com >>>>> http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> fedora-test-list mailing list >>>> fedora-test-list at redhat.com >>>> http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> fedora-test-list mailing list >>> fedora-test-list at redhat.com >>> http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list >>> >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> fedora-test-list mailing list >> fedora-test-list at redhat.com >> http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list >> > > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list -- There is no such thing as obsolete hardware. Merely hardware that other people don't want. (The Second Rule of Hardware Acquisition) Sam Flory From alan at redhat.com Mon Dec 8 21:22:49 2003 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 16:22:49 -0500 Subject: understanding applications and PAE In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20031208212249.GD20249@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Mon, Dec 08, 2003 at 03:41:17PM -0500, Vanco, Don wrote: > I understand that the Linux kernel can (through PAE) provide memory paging > beyond 4GB of physical memory on 32-bit architecture. What I need to > understand is: what are the requirements on the application side to utilize > this memory? I'm looking for documentation / links that talk about > applications and PAE. PAE is transparent. Unfortunately its a half-baked solution in some ways because it only fixed physical address space limits. So you get 3-4Gb depending on kernel and configuration virtual per process even if you have 64Gb physical. You can do EMS like stuff where you allocate a set of shared memory segments and switch them in or out as needed. Its ugly but for some tasks works very well. From joden at malachi.lee.k12.nc.us Tue Dec 9 00:16:48 2003 From: joden at malachi.lee.k12.nc.us (James Olin Oden) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 19:16:48 -0500 (EST) Subject: understanding applications and PAE In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 8 Dec 2003, Vanco, Don wrote: > While I hate to use this as a support line I've gotten no help from the 2 > local lugs I've queried, and know that there's some heavy hitters lurking > here. > > I understand that the Linux kernel can (through PAE) provide memory paging > beyond 4GB of physical memory on 32-bit architecture. What I need to > understand is: what are the requirements on the application side to utilize > this memory? I'm looking for documentation / links that talk about > applications and PAE. > > Case in point: Lotus Notes on OS400 can address huge amount of RAM, but when > it's running on Linux does it need to be compiled in a specific manner, or > with some specific bit of code / API to address more than the architecture > physically supports? > Hi Don, We use the PAE feature where I work. The deal is that this functionality only makes it possible for the kernel to access and use all this memory, but each process still can only address 4Gig of memory less the amount of memory under 4Gig the kernel is using. If you wanted a single app to use more than 4Gig, at this point you would need to create several processes that share memory. Even this this is very specific to the application as to whether such a scheme could be used effectively (you would in effect be shuffling data around processes as needed). Does anyone know of any other solutions than PAE? Cheers...james > Thanx > Don > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > From xose at wanadoo.es Tue Dec 9 00:26:59 2003 From: xose at wanadoo.es (Xose Vazquez Perez) Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2003 01:26:59 +0100 Subject: understanding applications and PAE References: Message-ID: <3FD516D3.9010705@wanadoo.es> James Olin Oden wrote: > Does anyone know of any other solutions than PAE? it's called 64 bits From joden at malachi.lee.k12.nc.us Tue Dec 9 01:30:08 2003 From: joden at malachi.lee.k12.nc.us (James Olin Oden) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 20:30:08 -0500 (EST) Subject: understanding applications and PAE In-Reply-To: <3FD516D3.9010705@wanadoo.es> Message-ID: On Tue, 9 Dec 2003, Xose Vazquez Perez wrote: > James Olin Oden wrote: > > > Does anyone know of any other solutions than PAE? > > it's called 64 bits > Toushee (or however that is spelled). Point taken. Cheers...james > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > From fjean at fredjean.homeip.net Tue Dec 9 01:36:27 2003 From: fjean at fredjean.homeip.net (Frederic Jean) Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2003 18:36:27 -0700 Subject: understanding applications and PAE In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1070933787.5295.4.camel@ds9> It's "touche". Fred On Mon, 2003-12-08 at 18:30, James Olin Oden wrote: > On Tue, 9 Dec 2003, Xose Vazquez Perez wrote: > > > James Olin Oden wrote: > > > > > Does anyone know of any other solutions than PAE? > > > > it's called 64 bits > > > Toushee (or however that is spelled). Point taken. > > Cheers...james > > > > -- > > fedora-test-list mailing list > > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From joden at malachi.lee.k12.nc.us Tue Dec 9 01:39:56 2003 From: joden at malachi.lee.k12.nc.us (James Olin Oden) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 20:39:56 -0500 (EST) Subject: understanding applications and PAE In-Reply-To: <1070933787.5295.4.camel@ds9> Message-ID: On Mon, 8 Dec 2003, Frederic Jean wrote: > It's "touche". > Well I guess its my day to eat dirt (-; Cheers...james > Fred > > On Mon, 2003-12-08 at 18:30, James Olin Oden wrote: > > > On Tue, 9 Dec 2003, Xose Vazquez Perez wrote: > > > > > James Olin Oden wrote: > > > > > > > Does anyone know of any other solutions than PAE? > > > > > > it's called 64 bits > > > > > Toushee (or however that is spelled). Point taken. > > > > Cheers...james > > > > > > -- > > > fedora-test-list mailing list > > > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > > > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > > > > > > > > -- > > fedora-test-list mailing list > > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > From alan at redhat.com Tue Dec 9 01:58:38 2003 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 20:58:38 -0500 Subject: understanding applications and PAE In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20031209015838.GB20285@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Mon, Dec 08, 2003 at 07:16:48PM -0500, James Olin Oden wrote: > but each process still can only address 4Gig of memory less the amount of > memory under 4Gig the kernel is using. If you wanted a single app > to use more than 4Gig, at this point you would need to create several > processes that share memory. Even this this is very specific to the > application as to whether such a scheme could be used effectively (you > would in effect be shuffling data around processes as needed). > > Does anyone know of any other solutions than PAE? A 64bit system. There really isnt a way to go beyond PAE type approaches without madness and keep x86-32 behaviour. Intel didn't do PAE solely to be annoying, its a real limitation and aspects of it hurt kernel performance too From nbryant at optonline.net Tue Dec 9 02:06:58 2003 From: nbryant at optonline.net (Nathan Bryant) Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2003 21:06:58 -0500 Subject: Reiser support? In-Reply-To: <3FD4E9BC.3070202@rackable.com> References: <3FD4D0BA.1040302@prometheon.net> <3FD4D323.4000306@optonline.net> <3FD4D4CD.8060505@prometheon.net> <3FD4D6C1.1020207@optonline.net> <3FD4D9AD.2060302@prometheon.net> <3FD4DE0F.5040408@optonline.net> <3FD4E9BC.3070202@rackable.com> Message-ID: <3FD52E42.1020604@optonline.net> Samuel Flory wrote: > Nathan Bryant wrote: > >> >> This same issue is bugging me too, preventing me from using arjan's >> kernel, but I am using ext3. I think the problem is in mkinitrd. >> >> I assume you see a message like "can't mount /" with an integer error >> code, followed by a pivot_root error. >> >> I don't think the problem is specific to the way arjan is building 2.6 >> because I had the same problem with my own build of 2.5.69. So the >> problem is in mkinitrd or is a bug in the upstream 2.6 kernel. FWIW, I >> can boot 2.6 if I build it myself and link in enough modules that I >> don't need an initrd. > > > > Install the kernel-unsupported rpm, and recreate your initrd. The > reiserfs module is in there. That'll work for the other guy. Here's the million dollar question - why does this happen for me when I'm using ext3? From nbecker at hns.com Tue Dec 9 13:36:14 2003 From: nbecker at hns.com (Neal D. Becker) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 08:36:14 -0500 Subject: arjanv/2.5 device-mapper lvm2 Message-ID: <200312090836.14500.nbecker@hns.com> I see there is now device-mapper and lvm2 RPMS at http://people.redhat.com/arjanv/2.5/RPMS.kernel/. Cool! So, how do I use it? I currently have fedora1 installed on lvm1/raid (stripped). Boot is ext3, but root is lvm1. Is there a way to run 2.5 directly, or do I need to backup and re-install? From rnix at prometheon.net Tue Dec 9 15:34:38 2003 From: rnix at prometheon.net (Ryan Nix) Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2003 09:34:38 -0600 Subject: Reiser support? In-Reply-To: <3FD52E42.1020604@optonline.net> References: <3FD4D0BA.1040302@prometheon.net> <3FD4D323.4000306@optonline.net> <3FD4D4CD.8060505@prometheon.net> <3FD4D6C1.1020207@optonline.net> <3FD4D9AD.2060302@prometheon.net> <3FD4DE0F.5040408@optonline.net> <3FD4E9BC.3070202@rackable.com> <3FD52E42.1020604@optonline.net> Message-ID: <3FD5EB8E.2090006@prometheon.net> How do you recreate your initrd? Nathan Bryant wrote: > Samuel Flory wrote: > >> Nathan Bryant wrote: >> >>> >>> This same issue is bugging me too, preventing me from using arjan's >>> kernel, but I am using ext3. I think the problem is in mkinitrd. >>> >>> I assume you see a message like "can't mount /" with an integer >>> error code, followed by a pivot_root error. >>> >>> I don't think the problem is specific to the way arjan is building >>> 2.6 because I had the same problem with my own build of 2.5.69. So >>> the problem is in mkinitrd or is a bug in the upstream 2.6 kernel. >>> FWIW, I can boot 2.6 if I build it myself and link in enough modules >>> that I don't need an initrd. >> >> >> >> >> Install the kernel-unsupported rpm, and recreate your initrd. The >> reiserfs module is in there. > > > That'll work for the other guy. Here's the million dollar question - > why does this happen for me when I'm using ext3? > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > From ckloiber at redhat.com Tue Dec 9 16:39:46 2003 From: ckloiber at redhat.com (Chris Kloiber) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 00:39:46 +0800 Subject: understanding applications and PAE In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1070987986.25397.111.camel@outhouse.rdu.redhat.com> On Tue, 2003-12-09 at 08:16, James Olin Oden wrote: > On Mon, 8 Dec 2003, Vanco, Don wrote: > > > While I hate to use this as a support line I've gotten no help from the 2 > > local lugs I've queried, and know that there's some heavy hitters lurking > > here. > > > > I understand that the Linux kernel can (through PAE) provide memory paging > > beyond 4GB of physical memory on 32-bit architecture. What I need to > > understand is: what are the requirements on the application side to utilize > > this memory? I'm looking for documentation / links that talk about > > applications and PAE. > > > > Case in point: Lotus Notes on OS400 can address huge amount of RAM, but when > > it's running on Linux does it need to be compiled in a specific manner, or > > with some specific bit of code / API to address more than the architecture > > physically supports? > > > Hi Don, > > We use the PAE feature where I work. The deal is that this functionality > only makes it possible for the kernel to access and use all this memory, > but each process still can only address 4Gig of memory less the amount of > memory under 4Gig the kernel is using. If you wanted a single app > to use more than 4Gig, at this point you would need to create several > processes that share memory. Even this this is very specific to the > application as to whether such a scheme could be used effectively (you > would in effect be shuffling data around processes as needed). > > Does anyone know of any other solutions than PAE? Can you do some tricks like Oracle does? They can use very large shared memory segments using /dev/shm I've seen customers use /dev/shm up to 6 gigs on a 8 Gig box, and 14 Gigs on a 16 Gig box. This is probably slower than normal ram access, but faster than swapping to disk. Remember I'm in Support, I can't help you program this. -- Chris Kloiber Red Hat, Inc. From katzj at redhat.com Tue Dec 9 16:58:23 2003 From: katzj at redhat.com (Jeremy Katz) Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2003 11:58:23 -0500 Subject: arjanv/2.5 device-mapper lvm2 In-Reply-To: <200312090836.14500.nbecker@hns.com> References: <200312090836.14500.nbecker@hns.com> Message-ID: <1070989103.1614.91.camel@edoras.local.net> On Tue, 2003-12-09 at 08:36, Neal D. Becker wrote: > Cool! > > So, how do I use it? I currently have fedora1 installed on lvm1/raid > (stripped). Boot is ext3, but root is lvm1. > > Is there a way to run 2.5 directly, or do I need to backup and re-install? There's not an easy way to transition yet -- I need to add support to mkinitrd to realize that you are using LVM and are moving to a 2.6 kernel. It's just going to require a little bit of restructuring to do so. I'm traveling this week, but will hopefully manage to get it done anyway. You should be able to do it by hand if you have all of the packages (including the mkinitrd Arjan just put up there) and then edit /sbin/mkinitrd so that it forces root_lvm2 to be 1 :) Jeremy From nbryant at optonline.net Tue Dec 9 17:00:38 2003 From: nbryant at optonline.net (Nathan Bryant) Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2003 12:00:38 -0500 Subject: understanding applications and PAE In-Reply-To: <1070987986.25397.111.camel@outhouse.rdu.redhat.com> References: <1070987986.25397.111.camel@outhouse.rdu.redhat.com> Message-ID: <3FD5FFB6.5030307@optonline.net> Sounds like you could treat /dev/shm as a large, linear file and mmap() one window into it at a time... Chris Kloiber wrote: >On Tue, 2003-12-09 at 08:16, James Olin Oden wrote: > > >>On Mon, 8 Dec 2003, Vanco, Don wrote: >> >> >> >>>While I hate to use this as a support line I've gotten no help from the 2 >>>local lugs I've queried, and know that there's some heavy hitters lurking >>>here. >>> >>>I understand that the Linux kernel can (through PAE) provide memory paging >>>beyond 4GB of physical memory on 32-bit architecture. What I need to >>>understand is: what are the requirements on the application side to utilize >>>this memory? I'm looking for documentation / links that talk about >>>applications and PAE. >>> >>>Case in point: Lotus Notes on OS400 can address huge amount of RAM, but when >>>it's running on Linux does it need to be compiled in a specific manner, or >>>with some specific bit of code / API to address more than the architecture >>>physically supports? >>> >>> >>> >>Hi Don, >> >>We use the PAE feature where I work. The deal is that this functionality >>only makes it possible for the kernel to access and use all this memory, >>but each process still can only address 4Gig of memory less the amount of >>memory under 4Gig the kernel is using. If you wanted a single app >>to use more than 4Gig, at this point you would need to create several >>processes that share memory. Even this this is very specific to the >>application as to whether such a scheme could be used effectively (you >>would in effect be shuffling data around processes as needed). >> >>Does anyone know of any other solutions than PAE? >> >> > >Can you do some tricks like Oracle does? They can use very large shared >memory segments using /dev/shm I've seen customers use /dev/shm up to 6 >gigs on a 8 Gig box, and 14 Gigs on a 16 Gig box. This is probably >slower than normal ram access, but faster than swapping to disk. >Remember I'm in Support, I can't help you program this. > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mplayer at jburgess.uklinux.net Tue Dec 9 17:30:54 2003 From: mplayer at jburgess.uklinux.net (Jon Burgess) Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2003 17:30:54 +0000 Subject: Reiser support? In-Reply-To: <3FD52E42.1020604@optonline.net> References: <3FD4D0BA.1040302@prometheon.net> <3FD4D323.4000306@optonline.net> <3FD4D4CD.8060505@prometheon.net> <3FD4D6C1.1020207@optonline.net> <3FD4D9AD.2060302@prometheon.net> <3FD4DE0F.5040408@optonline.net> <3FD4E9BC.3070202@rackable.com> <3FD52E42.1020604@optonline.net> Message-ID: <3FD606CE.1090205@jburgess.uklinux.net> Nathan Bryant wrote: >>> >>> I assume you see a message like "can't mount /" with an integer >>> error code, followed by a pivot_root error. >>> >>> I don't think the problem is specific to the way arjan is building >>> 2.6 because I had the same problem with my own build of 2.5.69. So >>> the problem is in mkinitrd or is a bug in the upstream 2.6 kernel. >>> FWIW, I can boot 2.6 if I build it myself and link in enough modules >>> that I don't need an initrd. >> This bit me as well. Shortly before these error messages you should see something about "write to ramdisk returned -1, length 32768". The fix is to change the Kernel "Default Ramdisk size" to 8192. Mkinitrd now creates ramdisk images which are 8Mb for all archictechtures, but 4Mb is still the default size for x86. Jon From twaugh at redhat.com Tue Dec 9 18:38:54 2003 From: twaugh at redhat.com (Tim Waugh) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 18:38:54 +0000 Subject: Fedora Core 1 Test Update: bash-2.05b-34 Message-ID: <20031209183854.GD2283@redhat.com> --------------------------------------------------------------------- Fedora Test Update Notification FEDORA-2003-033 2003-12-09 --------------------------------------------------------------------- Name : bash Version : 2.05b Release : 34 Summary : The GNU Bourne Again shell (bash) version 2.05b. Description : The GNU Bourne Again shell (Bash) is a shell or command language interpreter that is compatible with the Bourne shell (sh). Bash incorporates useful features from the Korn shell (ksh) and the C shell (csh). Most sh scripts can be run by bash without modification. This package (bash) contains bash version 2.05b, which improves POSIX compliance over previous versions. However, many old shell scripts will depend upon the behavior of bash 1.14, which is included in the bash1 package. Bash is the default shell for Red Hat Linux. It is popular and powerful, and you'll probably end up using it. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Update Information: When interactively editing a command line with UTF-8 encoding, the GNU bash shell can be very inefficient (bug #102353, bug #110777). A method for speeding up UTF-8 processing in bash has been incorporated in this updated package. 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Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From jorton at redhat.com Tue Dec 9 21:19:57 2003 From: jorton at redhat.com (Joe Orton) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 21:19:57 +0000 Subject: arjanv/2.5 device-mapper lvm2 In-Reply-To: <1070989103.1614.91.camel@edoras.local.net> References: <200312090836.14500.nbecker@hns.com> <1070989103.1614.91.camel@edoras.local.net> Message-ID: <20031209211957.GA11868@redhat.com> On Tue, Dec 09, 2003 at 11:58:23AM -0500, Jeremy Katz wrote: > On Tue, 2003-12-09 at 08:36, Neal D. Becker wrote: > > Cool! > > > > So, how do I use it? I currently have fedora1 installed on lvm1/raid > > (stripped). Boot is ext3, but root is lvm1. > > > > Is there a way to run 2.5 directly, or do I need to backup and re-install? > > There's not an easy way to transition yet -- I need to add support to > mkinitrd to realize that you are using LVM and are moving to a 2.6 > kernel. It's just going to require a little bit of restructuring to do > so. I'm traveling this week, but will hopefully manage to get it done > anyway. > > You should be able to do it by hand if you have all of the packages > (including the mkinitrd Arjan just put up there) and then edit > /sbin/mkinitrd so that it forces root_lvm2 to be 1 :) I tried this on my FC1 system with a lvm rootfs, challenges were: 1. lvm2 conflicts with lvm; I gave up and copy and pasted the stuff into the initrd to get a kernel which booted into rc.sysinit 2. rc.sysinit fails in fsck unable to find the device: fsck.ext3: No such device or address while trying to open /dev/mainvg/rootfs Possibly non-existent or swap device? I wasn't sure how to fix that (initscripts-4.73). (doing a telinit 2 from the "repair" shell brought the system up okish) joe From nbecker at hns.com Tue Dec 9 22:53:36 2003 From: nbecker at hns.com (Neal D. Becker) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 17:53:36 -0500 Subject: Fedora Core 2 wishlists In-Reply-To: <20031208151530.GC19033@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <20031208151530.GC19033@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <200312091753.36020.nbecker@hns.com> kde3.2, hopefully released by then? If not, beta2 is working well for me. From michalz at olomouc.com Wed Dec 10 00:53:09 2003 From: michalz at olomouc.com (Michal Zeravik) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 01:53:09 +0100 Subject: Fedora Core 2 wishlists kde-3.2 In-Reply-To: <200312091753.36020.nbecker@hns.com> References: <20031208151530.GC19033@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <200312091753.36020.nbecker@hns.com> Message-ID: <3FD66E75.403@olomouc.com> Neal D. Becker wrote: >kde3.2, hopefully released by then? If not, beta2 is working well for me. > > > Well. Have you built that from cvs? Can you describe process? After all fedora (rh) has bluecurve modifications I think. michalz From katzj at redhat.com Wed Dec 10 01:17:22 2003 From: katzj at redhat.com (Jeremy Katz) Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2003 20:17:22 -0500 Subject: arjanv/2.5 device-mapper lvm2 In-Reply-To: <20031209211957.GA11868@redhat.com> References: <200312090836.14500.nbecker@hns.com> <1070989103.1614.91.camel@edoras.local.net> <20031209211957.GA11868@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1071019041.1614.204.camel@edoras.local.net> On Tue, 2003-12-09 at 16:19, Joe Orton wrote: > I tried this on my FC1 system with a lvm rootfs, challenges were: > > 1. lvm2 conflicts with lvm; I gave up and copy and pasted the stuff > into the initrd to get a kernel which booted into rc.sysinit Yeah, I forgot about this... Need to decide what I want to do there. Two sets of identically named man pages for different commands is annoying :/ > 2. rc.sysinit fails in fsck unable to find the device: > > fsck.ext3: No such device or address while trying to open /dev/mainvg/rootfs > Possibly non-existent or swap device? > > I wasn't sure how to fix that (initscripts-4.73). Surely initscripts-7.43 ;-) Try creating an /etc/lvm directory and then see if things work Cheers, Jeremy From brugolsky at telemetry-investments.com Wed Dec 10 02:20:27 2003 From: brugolsky at telemetry-investments.com (Bill Rugolsky Jr.) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 21:20:27 -0500 Subject: arjanv/2.5 device-mapper lvm2 In-Reply-To: <1071019041.1614.204.camel@edoras.local.net> References: <200312090836.14500.nbecker@hns.com> <1070989103.1614.91.camel@edoras.local.net> <20031209211957.GA11868@redhat.com> <1071019041.1614.204.camel@edoras.local.net> Message-ID: <20031210022027.GA23312@ti19.telemetry-investments.com> On Tue, Dec 09, 2003 at 08:17:22PM -0500, Jeremy Katz wrote: > On Tue, 2003-12-09 at 16:19, Joe Orton wrote: > > I tried this on my FC1 system with a lvm rootfs, challenges were: > > > > 1. lvm2 conflicts with lvm; I gave up and copy and pasted the stuff > > into the initrd to get a kernel which booted into rc.sysinit > > Yeah, I forgot about this... Need to decide what I want to do there. > Two sets of identically named man pages for different commands is > annoying :/ Luca Berra's lvm2 package for Mandrake handles this nicely using /etc/alternatives: http://percy.comedia.it/~bluca/cooker/lvm2/ A simple expedient is to create an lvm-man subpackage. BTW, I made a stab at all of this back in January. You can find my ancient packages here, ftp://67.83.203.127/pub/lvm where I went through the effort of repackaging lvm as lvm1 and turning it into a multi-call binary like lvm2, and separating our lvm*-links and lvm*-man. (I did not think of /etc/alternatives at the time. :-/) Setting up the links is useful for legacy scripts, etc. I also built /sbin/lvm1.static and /sbin/lvm2.static with diet libc, for use in initrds (which was a pain, due to header file issues). I'd like to get update packages building with klibc, and create a "mkinitramfs." [Is there an initramfs "plan" for supporting udev, nfsroot, md/dm/lvm2, crypto, etc.?] > > 2. rc.sysinit fails in fsck unable to find the device: > > > > fsck.ext3: No such device or address while trying to open /dev/mainvg/rootfs > > Possibly non-existent or swap device? > > > > I wasn't sure how to fix that (initscripts-4.73). The stumbling block that I hit back in January when switching back and forth between LVM1 and LVM2 (and which hosed my root-on-LVM config), was caused by not removing the old /dev/ on the root fs prior to invoking the vgscan in rc.sysinit. I put it aside and moved on to other things when it became apparent that device mapper was not yet stable enough (as Arjan had warned me). Hope this helps. Regards, Bill Rugolsky From michalz at olomouc.com Wed Dec 10 04:13:03 2003 From: michalz at olomouc.com (Michal Zeravik) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 05:13:03 +0100 Subject: rivatv 0.8.3 compile problem Message-ID: <3FD69D4F.4030808@olomouc.com> Hi, I'm getting error while trying to compile rivatv-0.8.3: A warning appears during configure: Checking for kernel gcc... 3.2.3 *** WARNING: *** If you are going to use the running kernel (compiled *** with gcc version 3.2.3) with RivaTV (will be compiled *** with gcc version 3.3.2) you may experience system crashes. and make is terminated by : v4l-riva.c: In function `rivatv_mmap': v4l-riva.c:1814: warning: passing arg 1 of `remap_page_range_R69d01e73' makes integer from pointer without a cast v4l-riva.c:1814: incompatible type for argument 4 of `remap_page_range_R69d01e73' v4l-riva.c:1814: too many arguments to function `remap_page_range_R69d01e73' make[2]: *** [v4l-riva.o] Error 1 Do you have any experience to solve this problem on fc1 with 2.4.22-1.2129.nptl? Thanx michalz From ben at burbong.com Wed Dec 10 08:55:46 2003 From: ben at burbong.com (Ben Stringer) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 19:55:46 +1100 Subject: Boot-time hangs using Orinoco silver wireless card Message-ID: <1071046546.5464.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> I have had my Dell Inspiron 8600 running Fedora, and it has been fine using a wired ethernet connection. As the internal 802.11b is not natively supported by Fedora (yet) I fell back to the reliable Orinoco silver PCMCIA card I have been using for 3 years (RH 6.1 -> 9). However, about 80% of the time I boot with the Orinoco card, the boot process hangs just before GDM start, and nothing responds (virtual terms etc.) until I pop the card out and push it back in, then all is well. Also, after a number of hours, the wireless card's interface drops, and again, popping the card out then in fixes it. Any thoughts appreciated. Cheers, Ben From jorton at redhat.com Wed Dec 10 09:31:28 2003 From: jorton at redhat.com (Joe Orton) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 09:31:28 +0000 Subject: arjanv/2.5 device-mapper lvm2 In-Reply-To: <1071019041.1614.204.camel@edoras.local.net> References: <200312090836.14500.nbecker@hns.com> <1070989103.1614.91.camel@edoras.local.net> <20031209211957.GA11868@redhat.com> <1071019041.1614.204.camel@edoras.local.net> Message-ID: <20031210093128.GA15845@redhat.com> On Tue, Dec 09, 2003 at 08:17:22PM -0500, Jeremy Katz wrote: > On Tue, 2003-12-09 at 16:19, Joe Orton wrote: > > 2. rc.sysinit fails in fsck unable to find the device: > > > > fsck.ext3: No such device or address while trying to open /dev/mainvg/rootfs > > Possibly non-existent or swap device? > > > > I wasn't sure how to fix that (initscripts-4.73). > > Surely initscripts-7.43 ;-) Try creating an /etc/lvm directory and then > see if things work 7.43, oops, yes ;) I will do, but it didn't look like that would help since the new: # LVM2 initialization if [ -d /etc/lvm/ -a -x /sbin/lvm ]; then stuff happens after the fsck /, and looks like it has to because it needs a writable root filesystem. (I played with mounting a tmpfs on /dev/mapper, doing the mkdmnod and fscking the root device like that manually, but scripting that would require mapping /dev/mainvg/rootfs to /dev/mapper/mainvg-rootfs, not sure if that's a well-defined mapping) joe From nbecker at hns.com Wed Dec 10 12:45:05 2003 From: nbecker at hns.com (Neal D. Becker) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 07:45:05 -0500 Subject: Fedora Core 2 wishlists kde-3.2 In-Reply-To: <3FD66E75.403@olomouc.com> References: <20031208151530.GC19033@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <200312091753.36020.nbecker@hns.com> <3FD66E75.403@olomouc.com> Message-ID: <200312100745.05364.nbecker@hns.com> On Tuesday 09 December 2003 07:53 pm, Michal Zeravik wrote: > Neal D. Becker wrote: > >kde3.2, hopefully released by then? If not, beta2 is working well for me. > > Well. Have you built that from cvs? Can you describe process? > After all fedora (rh) has bluecurve modifications I think. > I built from konstruct. Only 2 minor problems enountered. I had to edit /usr/include/xine.h to fix a syntax error, and I had to fix dirmngr to work with Fedora's db4, which I did by adding a link /usr/lib/libdb-4.so -> /lib/libdb-4.1.so. I also wrote this script (see attachment) and modified /etc/inittab: x:5:respawn:/opt/kde3.2-beta2/bin/prekdm At first, I tried adding /opt/kde3.2-beta2/lib to /etc/ld.so.conf and running ldconfig, then adding /opt/kde3.2-beta2/{lib,bin} to /etc/prelink.conf and running prelink, but it turns out that this screwed up the ability to go back to the original kde-3.1 installation. I reverted these files and reran prelink, and then kde3.1 was restored. It turns out that these steps were not necessary. I guess it's because kde3.2 was build with -R soecho $LD_LIBRARY_PATH, so even without setting LD_LIBRARY_PATH or modifying /etc/ld.so.conf, kde3.2 binaries seem to find the correct libraries: ldd /opt/kde3.2-beta2/bin/konqueror libkdeinit_konqueror.so => /opt/kde3.2-beta2/lib/libkdeinit_konqueror.so (0x0046c000) libkonq.so.4 => /opt/kde3.2-beta2/lib/libkonq.so.4 (0x001bd000) libkparts.so.2 => /opt/kde3.2-beta2/lib/libkparts.so.2 (0x003b0000) libkio.so.4 => /opt/kde3.2-beta2/lib/libkio.so.4 (0x04fc2000) libkdeui.so.4 => /opt/kde3.2-beta2/lib/libkdeui.so.4 (0x04d05000) libkdesu.so.4 => /opt/kde3.2-beta2/lib/libkdesu.so.4 (0x002d2000) libkdecore.so.4 => /opt/kde3.2-beta2/lib/libkdecore.so.4 (0x04b05000) libDCOP.so.4 => /opt/kde3.2-beta2/lib/libDCOP.so.4 (0x0026f000) libresolv.so.2 => /lib/libresolv.so.2 (0x00c2f000) libart_lgpl_2.so.2 => /opt/kde3.2-beta2/lib/libart_lgpl_2.so.2 (0x00578000) libkdefx.so.4 => /opt/kde3.2-beta2/lib/libkdefx.so.4 (0x002a5000) libqt-mt.so.3 => /opt/kde3.2-beta2/lib/libqt-mt.so.3 (0x0434d000) libGL.so.1 => /usr/X11R6/lib/tls/libGL.so.1 (0x00319000) libXmu.so.6 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libXmu.so.6 (0x00d5e000) libXrandr.so.2 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libXrandr.so.2 (0x00d94000) libXcursor.so.1 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libXcursor.so.1 (0x00df1000) libXft.so.2 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libXft.so.2 (0x00d80000) libfreetype.so.6 => /usr/lib/libfreetype.so.6 (0x00c43000) libfontconfig.so.1 => /usr/lib/libfontconfig.so.1 (0x00d0b000) libdl.so.2 => /lib/libdl.so.2 (0x00af2000) libpng12.so.0 => /usr/lib/libpng12.so.0 (0x0038b000) libXext.so.6 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libXext.so.6 (0x00bea000) libX11.so.6 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libX11.so.6 (0x00af7000) libSM.so.6 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libSM.so.6 (0x00c25000) libICE.so.6 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libICE.so.6 (0x00c0c000) libpthread.so.0 => /lib/tls/libpthread.so.0 (0x00bfa000) libXrender.so.1 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libXrender.so.1 (0x00d76000) libutil.so.1 => /lib/libutil.so.1 (0x00467000) libz.so.1 => /usr/lib/libz.so.1 (0x00bd7000) libfam.so.0 => /usr/lib/libfam.so.0 (0x00d9a000) libstdc++.so.5 => /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.5 (0x00593000) libm.so.6 => /lib/tls/libm.so.6 (0x00ace000) libgcc_s.so.1 => /lib/libgcc_s.so.1 (0x00fe7000) libc.so.6 => /lib/tls/libc.so.6 (0x00993000) libXt.so.6 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libXt.so.6 (0x00c95000) libexpat.so.0 => /usr/lib/libexpat.so.0 (0x00ce9000) /lib/ld-linux.so.2 => /lib/ld-linux.so.2 (0x0097b000) One more thing, for some reason I had to reset my font choices. With stock fedora1 kde, the fonts looked very nice, but after installing kde3.2 they didn't look so good. I chose bitstream vera sans for most things, and it looks good. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: prekdm Type: application/x-shellscript Size: 507 bytes Desc: not available URL: From whooperhsd3 at earthlink.net Wed Dec 10 15:24:44 2003 From: whooperhsd3 at earthlink.net (William Hooper) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 10:24:44 -0500 (EST) Subject: rivatv 0.8.3 compile problem In-Reply-To: <3FD69D4F.4030808@olomouc.com> References: <3FD69D4F.4030808@olomouc.com> Message-ID: <4931.12.29.16.103.1071069884.squirrel@12.29.16.103> Please send Fedora Core release questions to the Fedora List. This is for Fedora Testing packages. Michal Zeravik said: > Hi, > > I'm getting error while trying to compile rivatv-0.8.3: > A warning appears during configure: > > Checking for kernel gcc... 3.2.3 > *** WARNING: > *** If you are going to use the running kernel (compiled > *** with gcc version 3.2.3) with RivaTV (will be compiled > *** with gcc version 3.3.2) you may experience system crashes. http://fedora.redhat.com/docs/release-notes/ gcc32 ? Version 3.2.3 of GCC (used for building the kernel) Make sure you have gcc32 installed, then "export CC=gcc32" before you do the make. -- William Hooper From nbecker at hns.com Wed Dec 10 15:26:43 2003 From: nbecker at hns.com (Neal D. Becker) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 10:26:43 -0500 Subject: telinit 3 broken In-Reply-To: <3892.12.29.16.103.1071069529.squirrel@12.29.16.103> References: <200312101004.20502.nbecker@hns.com> <3892.12.29.16.103.1071069529.squirrel@12.29.16.103> Message-ID: <200312101026.43728.nbecker@hns.com> On Wednesday 10 December 2003 10:18 am, William Hooper wrote: > Neal D. Becker said: > > It seems the run levels in fedora1 are messed up. Telinit 3 (until now) > > would > > just shut down X windows. Now, transition 5->3 is turning off nfs (or so > > the > > messages tell me), and other things like mailman. > > > > Transition 5->3->5 left me with what looks to be multiple instances of > > mailman > > running! That shouldn't happen. > > What is the output of: > > /sbin/chkconfig --list nfs > /sbin/chkconfig --list mailman /sbin/chkconfig --list nfs nfs 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off 4:off 5:on 6:off /sbin/chkconfig --list mailman mailman 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on 5:on 6:off So it's not surprising that nfs turns off, but I'm pretty sure I didn't change this setting. If so, the default setting is apparantly wrong. From whooperhsd3 at earthlink.net Wed Dec 10 16:01:03 2003 From: whooperhsd3 at earthlink.net (William Hooper) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 11:01:03 -0500 (EST) Subject: telinit 3 broken In-Reply-To: <200312101026.43728.nbecker@hns.com> References: <200312101004.20502.nbecker@hns.com> <3892.12.29.16.103.1071069529.squirrel@12.29.16.103> <200312101026.43728.nbecker@hns.com> Message-ID: <4701.12.29.16.103.1071072063.squirrel@12.29.16.103> Neal D. Becker said: > /sbin/chkconfig --list nfs > nfs 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off 4:off 5:on 6:off > /sbin/chkconfig --list mailman > mailman 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on 5:on 6:off > > So it's not surprising that nfs turns off, but I'm pretty sure I didn't > change > this setting. If so, the default setting is apparantly wrong. The default for NFS is to not run at all, so you had to change something. Doesn't explain the mailman issue, either. Have you checked the other things that you didn't specifically mention in you first mail? -- William Hooper From leonardjo at hetnet.nl Wed Dec 10 16:07:35 2003 From: leonardjo at hetnet.nl (Leonard den Ottolander) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 17:07:35 +0100 Subject: Please Trim Your Quotes In-Reply-To: <3FD4E9BC.3070202@rackable.com> References: <3FD4DE0F.5040408@optonline.net> Message-ID: <3FD752D7.31188.1D7C04@localhost> Hi folks, Sorry to bug you, but please, could you strip your replies at least somewhat? Best would be to strip your quotes to just keep enough context to understand to what your answer is refering. Multiple included footers like below is definitely a sign of poor netiquette and laziness. Do something about it! Bye, Leonard. > >>>>>> -- > >>>>>> fedora-test-list mailing list > >>>>>> fedora-test-list at redhat.com > >>>>>> http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > >>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> -- > >>>>> fedora-test-list mailing list > >>>>> fedora-test-list at redhat.com > >>>>> http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> fedora-test-list mailing list > >>>> fedora-test-list at redhat.com > >>>> http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> fedora-test-list mailing list > >>> fedora-test-list at redhat.com > >>> http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> fedora-test-list mailing list > >> fedora-test-list at redhat.com > >> http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > fedora-test-list mailing list > > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > > -- > There is no such thing as obsolete hardware. > Merely hardware that other people don't want. > (The Second Rule of Hardware Acquisition) > Sam Flory > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From nbecker at hns.com Wed Dec 10 16:11:42 2003 From: nbecker at hns.com (Neal D. Becker) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 11:11:42 -0500 Subject: telinit 3 broken In-Reply-To: <4701.12.29.16.103.1071072063.squirrel@12.29.16.103> References: <200312101004.20502.nbecker@hns.com> <200312101026.43728.nbecker@hns.com> <4701.12.29.16.103.1071072063.squirrel@12.29.16.103> Message-ID: <200312101111.42256.nbecker@hns.com> On Wednesday 10 December 2003 11:01 am, William Hooper wrote: > Neal D. Becker said: > > /sbin/chkconfig --list nfs > > nfs 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off 4:off 5:on 6:off > > /sbin/chkconfig --list mailman > > mailman 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on 5:on 6:off > > > > So it's not surprising that nfs turns off, but I'm pretty sure I didn't > > change > > this setting. If so, the default setting is apparantly wrong. > > The default for NFS is to not run at all, so you had to change something. > I believe I used my standard install customization script, which would have done: runcommand ("/sbin/chkconfig nfs on") runcommand ("/sbin/service nfs restart") I doubt that I had specified nfs run only in level 5, since I always ever just use "on" and "off" to chkconfig. > Doesn't explain the mailman issue, either. Have you checked the other > things that you didn't specifically mention in you first mail? Not sure about this one. Possibly unrelated. I did see several messages about stopping and starting services that I believe should not be stopped by going from 5->3. nfs was the one that particularly caught my attention. I can't repeat the experiment at the moment, but I'm surprised nobody else noticed anything like this. From rob.myers at gtri.gatech.edu Wed Dec 10 16:18:50 2003 From: rob.myers at gtri.gatech.edu (Rob Myers) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 11:18:50 -0500 Subject: fc1_x86_64 preview on tyan thunder k8w (S2885ANRF REV .03) Message-ID: <1071073130.1348.49.camel@dungeness.stl.gtri.gatech.edu> hello- thanks for getting fedora working on x86_64! i've tried to search linux-kernel archives, archives at www.x86-64.org, and bugzilla at redhat.com, but i haven't found all the answers i'm looking for. is there a faq anywhere for linux on x86_64 or even for fedora on x86_64? my system is running fedora core 1 x86_64 preview updated to kernel 2.4.22-1.2129.nptlsmp on dual opteron 248 2.2GHz tyan thunder k8w with 4gb of ram. acpi=off is passed to the kernel as a boot parameter or else it hangs with dma errors during or after boot. first, i've got 4gb of ram in the machine, but cat /proc/meminfo only reports 3.5gb free: total: used: free: shared: buffers: cached: Mem: 3539730432 91926528 3447803904 0 24104960 29126656 Swap: 4186656768 0 4186656768 is this a bug or am i missing something? i also tried passing mem=4G with no success second, AMD-8111 IDE has dma timeouts if acpi is enabled. is this a known issue? third, just to report my experience: (i think these are known issues) - the onboard broadcom 5703 based gigabit does not work properly with tg3, but broadcom 5701 based 3Com 3C996B-T does work properly with tg3. - the onboard sil SATA controller does not work - kernel-smp-2.6.0-0.test11.1.100.x86_64.rpm from http://people.redhat.com/arjanv/2.5/RPMS.kernel does not boot, just oopses to the console. thanks for any help, info or pointers. rob. ps- dmesg attached in case that will provide any useful info. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: dmesg.gz Type: application/x-gzip Size: 4666 bytes Desc: not available URL: From 64bit_fedora at comcast.net Wed Dec 10 16:35:37 2003 From: 64bit_fedora at comcast.net (Justin M. Forbes) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 10:35:37 -0600 Subject: fc1_x86_64 preview on tyan thunder k8w (S2885ANRF REV .03) In-Reply-To: <1071073130.1348.49.camel@dungeness.stl.gtri.gatech.edu> References: <1071073130.1348.49.camel@dungeness.stl.gtri.gatech.edu> Message-ID: <20031210163537.GA12656@comcast.net> On Wed, Dec 10, 2003 at 11:18:50AM -0500, Rob Myers wrote: > > second, AMD-8111 IDE has dma timeouts if acpi is enabled. is this a > known issue? > ACPI is a known issue with most NF3 systems, and it seems some of the AMD chipset based. I have been talking to AMD on this, and they specifically mention Tyan as having issues which were fixed with a bios upgrade. I will see if I can get more info on it. > - the onboard broadcom 5703 based gigabit does not work properly with > tg3, but broadcom 5701 based 3Com 3C996B-T does work properly with tg3. Not sure on this, will check to see what driver if any supports this nic. > - the onboard sil SATA controller does not work This is a known issue, and being addressed, but might not be ready in time for FC1. > - kernel-smp-2.6.0-0.test11.1.100.x86_64.rpm from > http://people.redhat.com/arjanv/2.5/RPMS.kernel does not boot, just > oopses to the console. > The 2.6test kernels have some known issues with AMD64. These are being addressed, and active patches are available, but have not been merged with mainline yet. This should be fixed soon I hope. I will work on an FAQ and put that up tonight. As for the memory issues, I am not entirely sure, but you are not the first to report this. I will look into it as I can, but I unfortunately do not have this much memory in any of my systems, and to buy it might end in divorce at this point :). I am working with AMD to try to get access to the developer labs, and hopefully this will help address some of these issues. Justin From mark at harddata.com Wed Dec 10 16:33:18 2003 From: mark at harddata.com (Mark Lane) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 09:33:18 -0700 Subject: fc1_x86_64 preview on tyan thunder k8w (S2885ANRF REV .03) In-Reply-To: <1071073130.1348.49.camel@dungeness.stl.gtri.gatech.edu> References: <1071073130.1348.49.camel@dungeness.stl.gtri.gatech.edu> Message-ID: <1071073998.30698.5.camel@dynamic-171.harddata.net> On Wed, 2003-12-10 at 09:18, Rob Myers wrote: > hello- > > thanks for getting fedora working on x86_64! > > i've tried to search linux-kernel archives, archives at www.x86-64.org, > and bugzilla at redhat.com, but i haven't found all the answers i'm > looking for. is there a faq anywhere for linux on x86_64 or even for > fedora on x86_64? > > my system is running fedora core 1 x86_64 preview updated to kernel > 2.4.22-1.2129.nptlsmp on dual opteron 248 2.2GHz tyan thunder k8w with > 4gb of ram. acpi=off is passed to the kernel as a boot parameter or > else it hangs with dma errors during or after boot. > > first, i've got 4gb of ram in the machine, but cat /proc/meminfo only > reports 3.5gb free: > total: used: free: shared: buffers: cached: > Mem: 3539730432 91926528 3447803904 0 24104960 29126656 > Swap: 4186656768 0 4186656768 > > is this a bug or am i missing something? i also tried passing mem=4G > with no success > The PCI bus is Memory Mapped at just below the 4GB mark. That's why you can use the last half GB. > second, AMD-8111 IDE has dma timeouts if acpi is enabled. is this a > known issue? > I believe we tend to shut off acpi because it usually hasn't worked with our dual opteron systems. > third, just to report my experience: (i think these are known issues) > > - the onboard broadcom 5703 based gigabit does not work properly with > tg3, but broadcom 5701 based 3Com 3C996B-T does work properly with tg3. We had this working but I am not sure what driver we used. > - the onboard sil SATA controller does not work Yes this doesn't work because no drivers existed. 2.6.0-test11 has a patch that will get this working. > - kernel-smp-2.6.0-0.test11.1.100.x86_64.rpm from > http://people.redhat.com/arjanv/2.5/RPMS.kernel does not boot, just > oopses to the console. > I haven't had any luck with Arjan's Kernels on our x86_64 systems. We just compiled our own. regards, -- Mark Lane, CET mailto:mark at harddata.com Hard Data Ltd. http://www.harddata.com T: 01-780-456-9771 F: 01-780-456-9772 11060 - 166 Avenue Edmonton, AB, Canada, T5X 1Y3 --> Ask me about our Excellent 1U Systems! <-- From brugolsky at telemetry-investments.com Wed Dec 10 17:12:02 2003 From: brugolsky at telemetry-investments.com (Bill Rugolsky Jr.) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 12:12:02 -0500 Subject: arjanv/2.5 device-mapper lvm2 In-Reply-To: <20031210093128.GA15845@redhat.com> References: <200312090836.14500.nbecker@hns.com> <1070989103.1614.91.camel@edoras.local.net> <20031209211957.GA11868@redhat.com> <1071019041.1614.204.camel@edoras.local.net> <20031210093128.GA15845@redhat.com> Message-ID: <20031210171202.GA30432@ti19.telemetry-investments.com> On Wed, Dec 10, 2003 at 09:31:28AM +0000, Joe Orton wrote: > 7.43, oops, yes ;) I will do, but it didn't look like that would help > since the new: > > # LVM2 initialization > if [ -d /etc/lvm/ -a -x /sbin/lvm ]; then > > stuff happens after the fsck /, and looks like it has to because it > needs a writable root filesystem. The following ought to work, if you are starting from a 2.4 LVM1 config: 1. mkdir /etc/lvm 2. touch /fastboot # this eliminates the fsck 3. Reboot into kernel-2.4 with init=/bin/sh 4. mount -o remount,rw / # LVM2 won't overwrite non-symlinks left by LVM1 # remove them. (The list of VGs is available in /initrd/dev/.) rm -rf /dev//* /dev//* ... sync mount -o remount,ro / 5. Boot kernel-2.6 Regards, Bill Rugolsky From rob.myers at gtri.gatech.edu Wed Dec 10 17:21:16 2003 From: rob.myers at gtri.gatech.edu (Rob Myers) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 12:21:16 -0500 Subject: fc1_x86_64 preview on tyan thunder k8w (S2885ANRF REV .03) In-Reply-To: <20031210163537.GA12656@comcast.net> References: <1071073130.1348.49.camel@dungeness.stl.gtri.gatech.edu> <20031210163537.GA12656@comcast.net> Message-ID: <1071076875.1350.57.camel@dungeness.stl.gtri.gatech.edu> On Wed, 2003-12-10 at 11:35, Justin M. Forbes wrote: > On Wed, Dec 10, 2003 at 11:18:50AM -0500, Rob Myers wrote: > > > > second, AMD-8111 IDE has dma timeouts if acpi is enabled. is this a > > known issue? > > > ACPI is a known issue with most NF3 systems, and it seems some of the AMD > chipset based. I have been talking to AMD on this, and they specifically > mention Tyan as having issues which were fixed with a bios upgrade. I will > see if I can get more info on it. i'm running the latest bios v1.01. > I will work on an FAQ and put that up tonight. As for the memory issues, I > am not entirely sure, but you are not the first to report this. I will > look into it as I can, but I unfortunately do not have this much memory in > any of my systems, and to buy it might end in divorce at this point :). I > am working with AMD to try to get access to the developer labs, and > hopefully this will help address some of these issues. looking forward to the FAQ! i'd be glad to try out any patches that require that amount of memory to be tested. thanks again rob. From rob.myers at gtri.gatech.edu Wed Dec 10 17:26:20 2003 From: rob.myers at gtri.gatech.edu (Rob Myers) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 12:26:20 -0500 Subject: fc1_x86_64 preview on tyan thunder k8w (S2885ANRF REV .03) In-Reply-To: <1071073998.30698.5.camel@dynamic-171.harddata.net> References: <1071073130.1348.49.camel@dungeness.stl.gtri.gatech.edu> <1071073998.30698.5.camel@dynamic-171.harddata.net> Message-ID: <1071077180.1348.63.camel@dungeness.stl.gtri.gatech.edu> On Wed, 2003-12-10 at 11:33, Mark Lane wrote: > On Wed, 2003-12-10 at 09:18, Rob Myers wrote: > > first, i've got 4gb of ram in the machine, but cat /proc/meminfo only > > reports 3.5gb free: > > total: used: free: shared: buffers: cached: > > Mem: 3539730432 91926528 3447803904 0 24104960 29126656 > > Swap: 4186656768 0 4186656768 > > > > is this a bug or am i missing something? i also tried passing mem=4G > > with no success > > > > The PCI bus is Memory Mapped at just below the 4GB mark. That's why you > can use the last half GB. i'm not sure i understand. i _can_ use the last half GB? but the kernel doesnt report it as available? could you please explain this further or point me towards some other documentation? if i put 8gb of ram in this machine what will the kernel report as available? > I haven't had any luck with Arjan's Kernels on our x86_64 systems. We > just compiled our own. i haven't had any success booting my own 2.6 either, but i'll try again! thanks rob. From rob.myers at gtri.gatech.edu Wed Dec 10 18:06:37 2003 From: rob.myers at gtri.gatech.edu (Rob Myers) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 13:06:37 -0500 Subject: fc1_x86_64 preview on tyan thunder k8w (S2885ANRF REV .03) In-Reply-To: <1071077180.1348.63.camel@dungeness.stl.gtri.gatech.edu> References: <1071073130.1348.49.camel@dungeness.stl.gtri.gatech.edu> <1071073998.30698.5.camel@dynamic-171.harddata.net> <1071077180.1348.63.camel@dungeness.stl.gtri.gatech.edu> Message-ID: <1071079597.1348.82.camel@dungeness.stl.gtri.gatech.edu> On Wed, 2003-12-10 at 12:26, Rob Myers wrote: > On Wed, 2003-12-10 at 11:33, Mark Lane wrote: > > The PCI bus is Memory Mapped at just below the 4GB mark. That's why you > > can use the last half GB. > > i'm not sure i understand. i _can_ use the last half GB? but the > kernel doesnt report it as available? could you please explain this > further or point me towards some other documentation? if i put 8gb of > ram in this machine what will the kernel report as available? to respond to myself, i tested 8gb of ram and the kernel (2.4.22-1.2129.nptlsmp) only reports 3.5gb. all pointers/tips/insight/solutions welcome! rob. From 64bit_fedora at comcast.net Wed Dec 10 19:01:42 2003 From: 64bit_fedora at comcast.net (Justin M. Forbes) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 13:01:42 -0600 Subject: fc1_x86_64 preview on tyan thunder k8w (S2885ANRF REV .03) In-Reply-To: <1071077180.1348.63.camel@dungeness.stl.gtri.gatech.edu> References: <1071073130.1348.49.camel@dungeness.stl.gtri.gatech.edu> <1071073998.30698.5.camel@dynamic-171.harddata.net> <1071077180.1348.63.camel@dungeness.stl.gtri.gatech.edu> Message-ID: <20031210190142.GC13744@comcast.net> On Wed, Dec 10, 2003 at 12:26:20PM -0500, Rob Myers wrote: > > i haven't had any success booting my own 2.6 either, but i'll try again! look for the 2.6 patches at x86-64.org, those include the pieces which have not been merged to mainline yet. Justin From johnsonm at redhat.com Wed Dec 10 19:03:56 2003 From: johnsonm at redhat.com (Michael K. Johnson) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 14:03:56 -0500 Subject: understanding applications and PAE In-Reply-To: <3FD5FFB6.5030307@optonline.net> References: <1070987986.25397.111.camel@outhouse.rdu.redhat.com> <3FD5FFB6.5030307@optonline.net> Message-ID: <20031210190356.GA8987@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Tue, Dec 09, 2003 at 12:00:38PM -0500, Nathan Bryant wrote: > Sounds like you could treat /dev/shm as a large, linear file and mmap() > one window into it at a time... And in RHEL3 and 2.6 kernel, that's what remap_file_pages is for -- a fast remapping that doesn't trash vmas. Quoting from mm/fremap.c: * this syscall works purely via pagetables, so it's the most efficient * way to map the same (large) file into a given virtual window. Unlike * mmap()/mremap() it does not create any new vmas. The new mappings are * also safe across swapout. michaelkjohnson "He that composes himself is wiser than he that composes a book." Linux Application Development -- Ben Franklin http://people.redhat.com/johnsonm/lad/ From rk at secondwivescafe.com Wed Dec 10 19:02:24 2003 From: rk at secondwivescafe.com (Ron Kuris) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 11:02:24 -0800 Subject: fc1_x86_64 preview on tyan thunder k8w (S2885ANRF REV .03) In-Reply-To: <1071079597.1348.82.camel@dungeness.stl.gtri.gatech.edu> References: <1071073130.1348.49.camel@dungeness.stl.gtri.gatech.edu> <1071073998.30698.5.camel@dynamic-171.harddata.net> <1071077180.1348.63.camel@dungeness.stl.gtri.gatech.edu> <1071079597.1348.82.camel@dungeness.stl.gtri.gatech.edu> Message-ID: <3FD76DC0.6090600@secondwivescafe.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Rob Myers wrote: | | to respond to myself, i tested 8gb of ram and the kernel | (2.4.22-1.2129.nptlsmp) only reports 3.5gb. Can you run '/sbin/grub' and then 'displaymem' and provide the output here? Ron -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/122/VkC/44kdyuYRAk6uAKDuf/J2YMLkny7sWZQqV9vpP5MxHwCcCXZx MMDzvKGhZeQWuaa2QFrldOM= =K+5e -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From rob.myers at gtri.gatech.edu Wed Dec 10 19:48:14 2003 From: rob.myers at gtri.gatech.edu (Rob Myers) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 14:48:14 -0500 Subject: fc1_x86_64 preview on tyan thunder k8w (S2885ANRF REV .03) In-Reply-To: <3FD76DC0.6090600@secondwivescafe.com> References: <1071073130.1348.49.camel@dungeness.stl.gtri.gatech.edu> <1071073998.30698.5.camel@dynamic-171.harddata.net> <1071077180.1348.63.camel@dungeness.stl.gtri.gatech.edu> <1071079597.1348.82.camel@dungeness.stl.gtri.gatech.edu> <3FD76DC0.6090600@secondwivescafe.com> Message-ID: <1071085694.1348.87.camel@dungeness.stl.gtri.gatech.edu> On Wed, 2003-12-10 at 14:02, Ron Kuris wrote: > | > | to respond to myself, i tested 8gb of ram and the kernel > | (2.4.22-1.2129.nptlsmp) only reports 3.5gb. > > Can you run '/sbin/grub' and then 'displaymem' and provide the output here? # /sbin/grub Probing devices to guess BIOS drives. This may take a long time. GRUB version 0.93 (640K lower / 3072K upper memory) [ Minimal BASH-like line editing is supported. For the first word, TAB lists possible command completions. Anywhere else TAB lists the possible completions of a device/filename.] grub> displaymem displaymem EISA Memory BIOS Interface is present Address Map BIOS Interface is present Lower memory: 640K, Upper memory (to first chipset hole): 3072K [Address Range Descriptor entries immediately follow (values are 64-bit)] Usable RAM: Base Address: 0x0 X 4GB + 0x0, Length: 0x0 X 4GB + 0xa0000 bytes Reserved: Base Address: 0x0 X 4GB + 0xa0000, Length: 0x0 X 4GB + 0x60000 bytes Usable RAM: Base Address: 0x0 X 4GB + 0x100000, Length: 0x0 X 4GB + 0x300000 bytes grub> care to interpret the meaning of this output for me? :) thanks the help! rob. From rk at secondwivescafe.com Wed Dec 10 20:23:43 2003 From: rk at secondwivescafe.com (Ron Kuris) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 12:23:43 -0800 Subject: fc1_x86_64 preview on tyan thunder k8w (S2885ANRF REV .03) In-Reply-To: <1071085694.1348.87.camel@dungeness.stl.gtri.gatech.edu> References: <1071073130.1348.49.camel@dungeness.stl.gtri.gatech.edu> <1071073998.30698.5.camel@dynamic-171.harddata.net> <1071077180.1348.63.camel@dungeness.stl.gtri.gatech.edu> <1071079597.1348.82.camel@dungeness.stl.gtri.gatech.edu> <3FD76DC0.6090600@secondwivescafe.com> <1071085694.1348.87.camel@dungeness.stl.gtri.gatech.edu> Message-ID: <3FD780CF.3070304@secondwivescafe.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Rob Myers wrote: |> | to respond to myself, i tested 8gb of ram and the kernel | |> (2.4.22-1.2129.nptlsmp) only reports 3.5gb. | | Lower memory: 640K, Upper memory (to first chipset hole): 3072K | [Address Range Descriptor entries immediately follow (values are | 64-bit)] Usable RAM: Base Address: 0x0 X 4GB + 0x0, Length: 0x0 X | 4GB + 0xa0000 bytes Reserved: Base Address: 0x0 X 4GB + 0xa0000, | Length: 0x0 X 4GB + 0x60000 bytes Usable RAM: Base Address: 0x0 X | 4GB + 0x100000, Length: 0x0 X 4GB + 0x300000 bytes This output is normal. I was suspecting that perhaps you had something else reserved in your first 4GB, but grub doesn't detect that. I don't know enough about how PAE works on the AMD as compared to Intel, but for some reason PAE isn't working right. When the system boots, check out the memory map in your /var/log/messages file. It should look something like this (this machine has 6GB and is an Intel, not AMD): Nov 18 12:34:52 cleo kernel: BIOS-provided physical RAM map: Nov 18 12:34:52 cleo kernel: BIOS-e820: 0000000000000000 - 00000000000a0000 (usable) Nov 18 12:34:52 cleo kernel: BIOS-e820: 0000000000100000 - 00000000efff0000 (usable) Nov 18 12:34:52 cleo kernel: BIOS-e820: 00000000efff0000 - 00000000efffec00 (ACPI data) Nov 18 12:34:52 cleo kernel: BIOS-e820: 00000000efffec00 - 00000000effff000 (reserved) Nov 18 12:34:52 cleo kernel: BIOS-e820: 00000000fec00000 - 00000000fec10000 (reserved) Nov 18 12:34:52 cleo kernel: BIOS-e820: 00000000fee00000 - 00000000fee10000 (reserved) Nov 18 12:34:52 cleo kernel: BIOS-e820: 00000000fff80000 - 0000000100000000 (reserved) Nov 18 12:34:52 cleo kernel: BIOS-e820: 0000000100000000 - 0000000180000000 (usable) Nov 18 12:34:52 cleo kernel: 5248MB HIGHMEM available. Nov 18 12:34:52 cleo kernel: 896MB LOWMEM available. Nov 18 12:34:52 cleo kernel: found SMP MP-table at 000fe710 Nov 18 12:34:52 cleo kernel: hm, page 000fe000 reserved twice. Nov 18 12:34:52 cleo kernel: hm, page 000ff000 reserved twice. Nov 18 12:34:52 cleo syslog: klogd startup succeeded Nov 18 12:34:52 cleo kernel: hm, page 000f0000 reserved twice. Nov 18 12:34:52 cleo kernel: On node 0 totalpages: 1572864 Nov 18 12:34:52 cleo kernel: zone(0): 4096 pages. Nov 18 12:34:52 cleo kernel: zone(1): 225280 pages. Nov 18 12:34:52 cleo kernel: zone(2): 1343488 pages. Ron -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/14DOVkC/44kdyuYRAs7MAJ9s9ElLfXHBBrvUd08BeGHnWi01ugCfVDLS 8cwxReaJ5u83K3zwTg77zzQ= =zsm9 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From rob.myers at gtri.gatech.edu Wed Dec 10 21:21:05 2003 From: rob.myers at gtri.gatech.edu (Rob Myers) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 16:21:05 -0500 Subject: fc1_x86_64 preview on tyan thunder k8w (S2885ANRF REV .03) In-Reply-To: <1071079597.1348.82.camel@dungeness.stl.gtri.gatech.edu> References: <1071073130.1348.49.camel@dungeness.stl.gtri.gatech.edu> <1071073998.30698.5.camel@dynamic-171.harddata.net> <1071077180.1348.63.camel@dungeness.stl.gtri.gatech.edu> <1071079597.1348.82.camel@dungeness.stl.gtri.gatech.edu> Message-ID: <1071091264.1715.8.camel@dungeness.stl.gtri.gatech.edu> On Wed, 2003-12-10 at 13:06, Rob Myers wrote: > to respond to myself, i tested 8gb of ram and the kernel > (2.4.22-1.2129.nptlsmp) only reports 3.5gb. > well that's because i had the mem=4gb kernel param in there still. without that, it shows 7.5gb free. i am sorry for the misinformation earlier. i still don't understand where the extra half gigabyte of ram disappears to, however. i am still unable to get 2.6.0-test11-x86_64-3 to boot on this system, tho it is likely due to my unfamiliarity with 2.6 and my unfamiliarity with the architecture. thanks for everyone's help today! rob. From jkeating at j2solutions.net Wed Dec 10 23:57:34 2003 From: jkeating at j2solutions.net (Jesse Keating) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 15:57:34 -0800 Subject: fc1_x86_64 preview on tyan thunder k8w (S2885ANRF REV .03) In-Reply-To: <1071079597.1348.82.camel@dungeness.stl.gtri.gatech.edu> References: <1071073130.1348.49.camel@dungeness.stl.gtri.gatech.edu> <1071077180.1348.63.camel@dungeness.stl.gtri.gatech.edu> <1071079597.1348.82.camel@dungeness.stl.gtri.gatech.edu> Message-ID: <200312101557.39139.jkeating@j2solutions.net> On Wednesday 10 December 2003 10:06, Rob Myers wrote: > to respond to myself, i tested 8gb of ram and the kernel > (2.4.22-1.2129.nptlsmp) only reports 3.5gb. > > all pointers/tips/insight/solutions welcome! Thats not a "bigmem" kernel. I don't think that kernel has PAE enabled, so you're limited to "4gigs" of ram. -- Jesse Keating RHCE MCSE (geek.j2solutions.net) Fedora Legacy Team (www.fedora.us/wiki/FedoraLegacy) Mondo DevTeam (www.mondorescue.org) GPG Public Key (geek.j2solutions.net/jkeating.j2solutions.pub) Was I helpful? Let others know: http://svcs.affero.net/rm.php?r=jkeating -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Does x86_64 even need PAE to access more than 4 gigs of ram? -- Jesse Keating RHCE MCSE (geek.j2solutions.net) Fedora Legacy Team (www.fedora.us/wiki/FedoraLegacy) Mondo DevTeam (www.mondorescue.org) GPG Public Key (geek.j2solutions.net/jkeating.j2solutions.pub) Was I helpful? Let others know: http://svcs.affero.net/rm.php?r=jkeating -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: signature URL: From dsavage at peaknet.net Thu Dec 11 00:21:18 2003 From: dsavage at peaknet.net (dsavage at peaknet.net) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 18:21:18 -0600 (CST) Subject: fc1_x86_64 preview on tyan thunder k8w (S2885ANRF REV .03) In-Reply-To: <200312101612.34127.jkeating@j2solutions.net> References: <1071073130.1348.49.camel@dungeness.stl.gtri.gatech.edu> <1071079597.1348.82.camel@dungeness.stl.gtri.gatech.edu> <200312101557.39139.jkeating@j2solutions.net> <200312101612.34127.jkeating@j2solutions.net> Message-ID: <36752.140.175.214.36.1071102078.squirrel@www.peaknet.net> On Wednesday December 10, 2003 Jesse Keating wrote: > On Wednesday 10 December 2003 15:57, Jesse Keating wrote: >> Thats not a "bigmem" kernel. I don't think that kernel has PAE >> enabled, so you're limited to "4gigs" of ram. > > Whoops, I take this back. I see by your other email that this wasn't the > case. Does x86_64 even need PAE to access more than 4 gigs of ram? Nope. Flat addressing up to 2^64. (Carl Sagen, we miss ya!) Motherboard makers might not lay down all 64 traces though. --Doc Savage Fairview Heights, IL From bos at serpentine.com Thu Dec 11 00:43:00 2003 From: bos at serpentine.com (Bryan O'Sullivan) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 16:43:00 -0800 Subject: fc1_x86_64 preview on tyan thunder k8w (S2885ANRF REV .03) In-Reply-To: <36752.140.175.214.36.1071102078.squirrel@www.peaknet.net> References: <1071073130.1348.49.camel@dungeness.stl.gtri.gatech.edu> <1071079597.1348.82.camel@dungeness.stl.gtri.gatech.edu> <200312101557.39139.jkeating@j2solutions.net> <200312101612.34127.jkeating@j2solutions.net> <36752.140.175.214.36.1071102078.squirrel@www.peaknet.net> Message-ID: <1071103380.7033.15.camel@serpentine.pathscale.com> On Wed, 2003-12-10 at 16:21, dsavage at peaknet.net wrote: > Nope. Flat addressing up to 2^64. 2^47, actually. The upper 17 bits of a virtual address are required to be all 1 or all 0, or else the CPU raises a GPF. And there are still segments present, even in long mode, but they behave very weirdly. An FAQ for the AMD preview release is now available at: http://www.linuxtx.org/amd64faq.html More updates as I get feedback and time. Justin M. Forbes -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From mr700 at globalnet.bg Thu Dec 11 12:12:02 2003 From: mr700 at globalnet.bg (Doncho N. Gunchev) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 14:12:02 +0200 Subject: diskcheck default configuration bug/problem Message-ID: <200312111412.02692@-mr700> When I get mail from diskcheck with redhat9/fedora core 1 with the default settings in the mail headers I see: |--- cut --- |To: root at globalnet.bg |From: Disk at globalnet.bg, Usage at globalnet.bg, Monitor at globalnet.bg, | - at globalnet.bg, diskcheck at globalnet.bg |Subject: Low disk space warning |--- cut --- which kmail at least shows like 5 users have send this email. I fixed the problem after looking in '/etc/cron.hourly/diskcheck' and '/etc/diskcheck.conf'. If I remove the setting in the .conf file or change it to "Disk Usage Monitor - diskcheck " everything is fine - 1 sender :) |--- cut --- |To: root at globalnet.bg |From: Disk Usage Monitor - diskcheck |Subject: Low disk space warning |--- cut --- Here's how the default files look like: In '/etc/diskcheck.conf' we have: |--- cut --- |# Who to identify the mail as coming from. |mailFrom = "Disk Usage Monitor - diskcheck" |--- cut --- while in '/etc/cron.hourly/diskcheck' we have: |--- cut --- | set_default(conf, 'mailFrom', "Disk Usage Monitor ") |--- cut --- I tryed reporting this problem via https://bugzilla.fedora.us/query.cgi, but I can not find 'diskcheck' listed there. I supose the easy way to fix this is to change the default configuration file, but the "Right Way"(tm) maybe is to add some checks in diskcheck itself... or this is postfix problem (I don't use sendmail on any PC)? btw: how is it possible to have 1 email with 5 senders? -- Regards, Doncho N. Gunchev From dave.miles at ntlworld.com Thu Dec 11 12:53:56 2003 From: dave.miles at ntlworld.com (Dave Miles) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 12:53:56 +0000 (GMT Standard Time) Subject: Kernel make errors with 2129 updated source Message-ID: <3FD868E4.00000A.03736@apollo> There seem to be a lot of errors (~870 lines of error output) which seem to all relate to ./drivers/acpi/ac.c and its includes when building a custom kernel using the 2129 updated source. Any thoughts - is there a version which builds clean ?. Dave Miles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Dave From mitr at volny.cz Thu Dec 11 16:25:09 2003 From: mitr at volny.cz (Miloslav Trmac) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 17:25:09 +0100 Subject: diskcheck default configuration bug/problem In-Reply-To: <200312111412.02692@-mr700> References: <200312111412.02692@-mr700> Message-ID: <20031211162509.GA29737@popelka.ms.mff.cuni.cz> On Thu, Dec 11, 2003 at 02:12:02PM +0200, Doncho N. Gunchev wrote: > I tryed reporting this problem via https://bugzilla.fedora.us/query.cgi, > but I can not find 'diskcheck' listed there. http://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=105852 Mirek From reader at newsguy.com Thu Dec 11 16:30:51 2003 From: reader at newsguy.com (Harry Putnam) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 10:30:51 -0600 Subject: [fwd] No recognition of isos with floppy install or boot.iso Message-ID: Forwared here from Yarrow list ( hp -ed) -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... 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From: Harry Putnam Subject: During install.. needed improvement Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 23:44:30 -0600 Size: 3852 URL: From reader at newsguy.com Thu Dec 11 11:59:26 2003 From: reader at newsguy.com (Harry Putnam) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 05:59:26 -0600 Subject: [fwd] During install ftp method fails on corret addresses Message-ID: forwared from yarrow list ( hp -ed) Trying install over ftp or http but these addresses are rejected: http://download.fedora.redhat.com/ pub/fedora/linux/core/1/i386/os/ ftp://download.fedora.redhat.com/ pub/fedora/linux/core/1/i386/os/ Trying harddisk... my isos aren't recognized as reported previously. From nbecker at hns.com Thu Dec 11 20:57:06 2003 From: nbecker at hns.com (Neal D. Becker) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 15:57:06 -0500 Subject: raid controller recommendation In-Reply-To: <2013.66.103.177.15.1071174415.squirrel@_default_> References: <2013.66.103.177.15.1071174415.squirrel@_default_> Message-ID: <200312111557.06160.nbecker@hns.com> On Thursday 11 December 2003 03:26 pm, Raymond Norton wrote: > I have decided to do a hardware raid rather than struggle with the > software raid. What would be a good, inexpensive controller that can do > raid level 1? No, hardware raid is a struggle. Software raid is easy. Software raid is also more flexible! You can raid partitions, instead of whole disks. From whooperhsd3 at earthlink.net Thu Dec 11 20:57:20 2003 From: whooperhsd3 at earthlink.net (William Hooper) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 15:57:20 -0500 (EST) Subject: [fwd] During install ftp method fails on corret addresses In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2939.12.29.16.103.1071176240.squirrel@12.29.16.103> Harry Putnam said: > forwared from yarrow list ( hp -ed) Why? > Trying install over ftp or http but these addresses are rejected: > > http://download.fedora.redhat.com/ > pub/fedora/linux/core/1/i386/os/ > > ftp://download.fedora.redhat.com/ > pub/fedora/linux/core/1/i386/os/ > > Trying harddisk... my isos aren't recognized as reported previously. I see nothing involving test packages here? -- William Hooper From nbryant at optonline.net Thu Dec 11 21:09:49 2003 From: nbryant at optonline.net (Nathan Bryant) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 16:09:49 -0500 Subject: raid controller recommendation In-Reply-To: <200312111557.06160.nbecker@hns.com> References: <2013.66.103.177.15.1071174415.squirrel@_default_> <200312111557.06160.nbecker@hns.com> Message-ID: <3FD8DD1D.2010406@optonline.net> Neal D. Becker wrote: >No, hardware raid is a struggle. Software raid is easy. > >Software raid is also more flexible! You can raid partitions, instead of >whole disks. > matter of opinion. mylex's controllers are very easy to set up. also hot swappable which i believe software raid is not. From xose at wanadoo.es Thu Dec 11 21:25:25 2003 From: xose at wanadoo.es (Xose Vazquez Perez) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 22:25:25 +0100 Subject: raid controller recommendation References: <2013.66.103.177.15.1071174415.squirrel@_default_> <200312111557.06160.nbecker@hns.com> <3FD8DD1D.2010406@optonline.net> Message-ID: <3FD8E0C5.8060901@wanadoo.es> Nathan Bryant wrote: > matter of opinion. mylex's controllers are very easy to set up. also hot > swappable which i believe software raid is not. hot-swap is a SCSI HBA+disk feature, and Linux_soft_raid supports hot-swap. Mylex is out of circulation, it was bought by LSI. MegaRAID boards are the substitute. From alan at redhat.com Thu Dec 11 21:26:57 2003 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 16:26:57 -0500 Subject: raid controller recommendation In-Reply-To: <3FD8DD1D.2010406@optonline.net> References: <2013.66.103.177.15.1071174415.squirrel@_default_> <200312111557.06160.nbecker@hns.com> <3FD8DD1D.2010406@optonline.net> Message-ID: <20031211212657.GD10412@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Thu, Dec 11, 2003 at 04:09:49PM -0500, Nathan Bryant wrote: > Neal D. Becker wrote: > > >No, hardware raid is a struggle. Software raid is easy. > > > >Software raid is also more flexible! You can raid partitions, instead of > >whole disks. > > > matter of opinion. mylex's controllers are very easy to set up. also hot > swappable which i believe software raid is not. Software raid supports hotswap providing your hardware does - eg SCSI with proper hot swap SCA bays, or IDE with one disk per channel and a suitable controller From nbryant at optonline.net Thu Dec 11 21:43:03 2003 From: nbryant at optonline.net (Nathan Bryant) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 16:43:03 -0500 Subject: raid controller recommendation In-Reply-To: <3FD8E0C5.8060901@wanadoo.es> References: <2013.66.103.177.15.1071174415.squirrel@_default_> <200312111557.06160.nbecker@hns.com> <3FD8DD1D.2010406@optonline.net> <3FD8E0C5.8060901@wanadoo.es> Message-ID: <3FD8E4E7.90207@optonline.net> Xose Vazquez Perez wrote: >Nathan Bryant wrote: > > > >>matter of opinion. mylex's controllers are very easy to set up. also hot >>swappable which i believe software raid is not. >> >> > >hot-swap is a SCSI HBA+disk feature, and Linux_soft_raid supports hot-swap. >Mylex is out of circulation, it was bought by LSI. MegaRAID boards are >the substitute. > not every scsi. you need proper signal relection control and so on, needs a proper hotswap chassis. without, it may work, but you're not guaranteed to avoid signal corruption. typically you get a hotswap chassis with a hardware controller, so... glad to hear that software supports this, though. i'm out of date on this stuff. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ted at cypress.com Thu Dec 11 22:11:26 2003 From: ted at cypress.com (Thomas Dodd) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 16:11:26 -0600 Subject: fc1_x86_64 preview on tyan thunder k8w (S2885ANRF REV .03) In-Reply-To: <1071091264.1715.8.camel@dungeness.stl.gtri.gatech.edu> References: <1071073130.1348.49.camel@dungeness.stl.gtri.gatech.edu> <1071073998.30698.5.camel@dynamic-171.harddata.net> <1071077180.1348.63.camel@dungeness.stl.gtri.gatech.edu> <1071079597.1348.82.camel@dungeness.stl.gtri.gatech.edu> <1071091264.1715.8.camel@dungeness.stl.gtri.gatech.edu> Message-ID: <3FD8EB8E.2020501@cypress.com> Rob Myers wrote: > On Wed, 2003-12-10 at 13:06, Rob Myers wrote: > >>to respond to myself, i tested 8gb of ram and the kernel >>(2.4.22-1.2129.nptlsmp) only reports 3.5gb. >> > well that's because i had the mem=4gb kernel param in there still. > without that, it shows 7.5gb free. i am sorry for the misinformation > earlier. > > i still don't understand where the extra half gigabyte of ram disappears > to, however. It was sort of explained before by Mark. What was ment is you _cannot_ use the last .5G because it's mapped to PCI. There may be some trick to move that though. I remember this was a problem for 32bit too. PCI+kernel took the last 1GB on a 4GB box, so processes only got 3GB. There were sopme hack to get 3.5GB on those, so it might be posible to get more on 64bit systems. Maybe only loose 0.25GB? -Thomas From alan at redhat.com Thu Dec 11 22:42:29 2003 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 17:42:29 -0500 Subject: fc1_x86_64 preview on tyan thunder k8w (S2885ANRF REV .03) In-Reply-To: <3FD8EB8E.2020501@cypress.com> References: <1071073130.1348.49.camel@dungeness.stl.gtri.gatech.edu> <1071073998.30698.5.camel@dynamic-171.harddata.net> <1071077180.1348.63.camel@dungeness.stl.gtri.gatech.edu> <1071079597.1348.82.camel@dungeness.stl.gtri.gatech.edu> <1071091264.1715.8.camel@dungeness.stl.gtri.gatech.edu> <3FD8EB8E.2020501@cypress.com> Message-ID: <20031211224229.GA25049@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Thu, Dec 11, 2003 at 04:11:26PM -0600, Thomas Dodd wrote: > It was sort of explained before by Mark. What was ment is you _cannot_ > use the last .5G because it's mapped to PCI. Thats the physical memory map. Because PCI is 32bit for some cards you end up with a PCI hole (remember the ISA hole.. now we have two 8)) So its 0-639K RAM 640K-1Mb ISA + ROM window 1Mb-3.5Gb RAM 3.5Gb-4Gb PCI plus ROM plus APIC etc 4Gb->... RAM > There may be some trick to move that though. I remember this was a > problem for 32bit too. PCI+kernel took the last 1GB on a 4GB box, so > processes only got 3GB. There were sopme hack to get 3.5GB on those, so > it might be posible to get more on 64bit systems. Maybe only loose 0.25GB? Thats different. You end up needing some mappings for kernel and user space to be efficient when dealing with user mappings. Whether you can get your .5Gb back depends if the chipset can remap it higher up in memory so that the 3.5-4Gb RAM masked by PCI is remapped at the top of memory. Alan From ted at cypress.com Thu Dec 11 22:56:35 2003 From: ted at cypress.com (Thomas Dodd) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 16:56:35 -0600 Subject: fc1_x86_64 preview on tyan thunder k8w (S2885ANRF REV .03) In-Reply-To: <20031211224229.GA25049@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <1071073130.1348.49.camel@dungeness.stl.gtri.gatech.edu> <1071073998.30698.5.camel@dynamic-171.harddata.net> <1071077180.1348.63.camel@dungeness.stl.gtri.gatech.edu> <1071079597.1348.82.camel@dungeness.stl.gtri.gatech.edu> <1071091264.1715.8.camel@dungeness.stl.gtri.gatech.edu> <3FD8EB8E.2020501@cypress.com> <20031211224229.GA25049@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <3FD8F623.1090908@cypress.com> Alan Cox wrote: > On Thu, Dec 11, 2003 at 04:11:26PM -0600, Thomas Dodd wrote: > >>It was sort of explained before by Mark. What was ment is you _cannot_ >>use the last .5G because it's mapped to PCI. > > > Thats the physical memory map. Because PCI is 32bit for some cards you > end up with a PCI hole (remember the ISA hole.. now we have two 8)) That makes sense. Thanks Alan. > So its > > 0-639K RAM > 640K-1Mb ISA + ROM window Is the and ISA bus on any x86-64 board? Is it possible? I don't think you can even find a SocketA board with ISA slots. I have a ISA card I cannot replace right now that's keept me on a SlotA board and a lowly 800MHz Thunderbird Athlon. >>There may be some trick to move that though. I remember this was a >>problem for 32bit too. PCI+kernel took the last 1GB on a 4GB box, so >>processes only got 3GB. There were sopme hack to get 3.5GB on those, so >>it might be posible to get more on 64bit systems. Maybe only loose 0.25GB? > > > Thats different. You end up needing some mappings for kernel and user > space to be efficient when dealing with user mappings. Whether you can > get your .5Gb back depends if the chipset can remap it higher up in memory > so that the 3.5-4Gb RAM masked by PCI is remapped at the top of memory. Know which ones, if any, currently can? AMD, Nvidia, or VIA? Why would they release a chip that couldn't? -Thomas From alan at redhat.com Thu Dec 11 23:14:42 2003 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 18:14:42 -0500 Subject: fc1_x86_64 preview on tyan thunder k8w (S2885ANRF REV .03) In-Reply-To: <3FD8F623.1090908@cypress.com> References: <1071073130.1348.49.camel@dungeness.stl.gtri.gatech.edu> <1071073998.30698.5.camel@dynamic-171.harddata.net> <1071077180.1348.63.camel@dungeness.stl.gtri.gatech.edu> <1071079597.1348.82.camel@dungeness.stl.gtri.gatech.edu> <1071091264.1715.8.camel@dungeness.stl.gtri.gatech.edu> <3FD8EB8E.2020501@cypress.com> <20031211224229.GA25049@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <3FD8F623.1090908@cypress.com> Message-ID: <20031211231442.GA25679@devserv.devel.redhat.com> > >Thats different. You end up needing some mappings for kernel and user > >space to be efficient when dealing with user mappings. Whether you can > >get your .5Gb back depends if the chipset can remap it higher up in memory > >so that the 3.5-4Gb RAM masked by PCI is remapped at the top of memory. > > Know which ones, if any, currently can? AMD, Nvidia, or VIA? I don't > Why would they release a chip that couldn't? I've no idea how complex it is to do that so I can't guess From rhl at farorbit.com Fri Dec 12 01:47:37 2003 From: rhl at farorbit.com (Stephan Schutter) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 19:47:37 -0600 Subject: What does REDHAT recomend for 3D video card? Message-ID: <1071193656.5849.10.camel@gamer.ferorbit.com> I have got the impression that RH does not respect NVidia much because they will not give their code away... and well... sometimes there are issues with the RedHat kernels and nvidia (sometimes they are compiled with a different compiler than the one that is distributed with the system?). Soooooo.... The big question: What video card am I supposed to use? What DOES RedHat recommend? From ojgbagg27ab at msn.com Fri Dec 12 01:55:58 2003 From: ojgbagg27ab at msn.com (alton bailey) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 20:55:58 -0500 Subject: What does REDHAT recomend for 3D video card? Message-ID: all my computer have an Nvidia card and I have no problem with them from redhat 5.2 to 9 and yarrow not a problem >From: Stephan Schutter >Reply-To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com >To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com >Subject: What does REDHAT recomend for 3D video card? >Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 19:47:37 -0600 > >I have got the impression that RH does not respect NVidia much because >they will not give their code away... and well... sometimes there are >issues with the RedHat kernels and nvidia (sometimes they are compiled >with a different compiler than the one that is distributed with the >system?). Soooooo.... The big question: What video card am I supposed to >use? What DOES RedHat recommend? > > >-- >fedora-test-list mailing list >fedora-test-list at redhat.com >http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From jkt at redhat.com Fri Dec 12 02:34:39 2003 From: jkt at redhat.com (Jay Turner) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 21:34:39 -0500 Subject: What does REDHAT recomend for 3D video card? In-Reply-To: <1071193656.5849.10.camel@gamer.ferorbit.com> References: <1071193656.5849.10.camel@gamer.ferorbit.com> Message-ID: <20031212023439.GO31532@redhat.com> On Thu, Dec 11, 2003 at 07:47:37PM -0600, Stephan Schutter wrote: > I have got the impression that RH does not respect NVidia much because > they will not give their code away... and well... sometimes there are > issues with the RedHat kernels and nvidia (sometimes they are compiled > with a different compiler than the one that is distributed with the > system?). Soooooo.... The big question: What video card am I supposed to > use? What DOES RedHat recommend? Just to clarify here a bit. While it is true that Red Hat isn't fond of the nVidia code as a result of it being closed-source, there's more to the story than that. Since nVidia won't open up their drivers, it makes it very difficult for our technical support folks to debug any issues which customers end up having and reporting. We've had quite a few issues which have been caused by the nVidia driver being loaded on a customer's system, and since we can't see the internals of the driver, the best that we can offer to our customers is, "Well, everything is working without the nVidia code loaded, so don't use it and your problems go away." - jkt -- --*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--* Jay Turner, QA Technical Lead jkt at redhat.com Red Hat, Inc. Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one. - Albert Einstein From rhl at farorbit.com Fri Dec 12 02:34:48 2003 From: rhl at farorbit.com (Stephan Schutter) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 20:34:48 -0600 Subject: What does REDHAT recomend for 3D video card? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1071196488.5849.16.camel@gamer.ferorbit.com> I have seen the X screen savers freeze my PC (open GL ones)... Perhaps it is my card? Any way, I was wondering what if redhat were to select a system to deploy Fedora on; what would it be? Does Linux like asus better than Abit or NVidia better than ... and so on... what works really well? On Thu, 2003-12-11 at 19:55, alton bailey wrote: > all my computer have an Nvidia card and I have no problem with them from > redhat 5.2 to 9 and yarrow not a problem > > > >From: Stephan Schutter > >Reply-To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com > >To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com > >Subject: What does REDHAT recomend for 3D video card? > >Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 19:47:37 -0600 > > > >I have got the impression that RH does not respect NVidia much because > >they will not give their code away... and well... sometimes there are > >issues with the RedHat kernels and nvidia (sometimes they are compiled > >with a different compiler than the one that is distributed with the > >system?). Soooooo.... The big question: What video card am I supposed to > >use? What DOES RedHat recommend? > > > > > >-- > >fedora-test-list mailing list > >fedora-test-list at redhat.com > >http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From reader at newsguy.com Fri Dec 12 04:27:34 2003 From: reader at newsguy.com (Harry Putnam) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 22:27:34 -0600 Subject: [fwd] During install ftp method fails on corret addresses In-Reply-To: <2939.12.29.16.103.1071176240.squirrel@12.29.16.103> (William Hooper's message of "Thu, 11 Dec 2003 15:57:20 -0500 (EST)") References: <2939.12.29.16.103.1071176240.squirrel@12.29.16.103> Message-ID: "William Hooper" writes: > Harry Putnam said: >> forwared from yarrow list ( hp -ed) > > Why? Why do you ask? [...] >> Trying harddisk... my isos aren't recognized as reported previously. > > I see nothing involving test packages here? Why did you answer the post? From aoliva at redhat.com Fri Dec 12 05:41:50 2003 From: aoliva at redhat.com (Alexandre Oliva) Date: 12 Dec 2003 03:41:50 -0200 Subject: [fwd] During install ftp method fails on corret addresses In-Reply-To: References: <2939.12.29.16.103.1071176240.squirrel@12.29.16.103> Message-ID: On Dec 12, 2003, Harry Putnam wrote: > "William Hooper" writes: >> Harry Putnam said: >>> forwared from yarrow list ( hp -ed) >> >> Why? > Why do you ask? Because if it's related with a test release, it belongs here. If it's related with a stable release, it doesn't. > Why did you answer the post? Because you've just posted yet another off-topic duplicate message? :-) -- Alexandre Oliva Enjoy Guarana', see http://www.ic.unicamp.br/~oliva/ Red Hat GCC Developer aoliva@{redhat.com, gcc.gnu.org} CS PhD student at IC-Unicamp oliva@{lsd.ic.unicamp.br, gnu.org} Free Software Evangelist Professional serial bug killer From kjb at dds.nl Fri Dec 12 10:19:32 2003 From: kjb at dds.nl (Klaasjan Brand) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 11:19:32 +0100 Subject: What does REDHAT recomend for 3D video card? In-Reply-To: <1071193656.5849.10.camel@gamer.ferorbit.com> References: <1071193656.5849.10.camel@gamer.ferorbit.com> Message-ID: <3FD99634.2080007@dds.nl> Stephan Schutter wrote: >I have got the impression that RH does not respect NVidia much because >they will not give their code away... and well... sometimes there are >issues with the RedHat kernels and nvidia (sometimes they are compiled >with a different compiler than the one that is distributed with the >system?). Soooooo.... The big question: What video card am I supposed to >use? What DOES RedHat recommend? > > Can't speak for Red Hat, but since they only support the open source DRI drivers I guess you should look for the best supported DRI cards. Currently the fastest cards supported by DRI are the lower end ATI cards (Radeon 9200). If you're no gamer and only use 3d ocasionally that's fine (I'm running a radeon 8500 without problems). Klaasjan From mandreiana at rdslink.ro Fri Dec 12 11:32:27 2003 From: mandreiana at rdslink.ro (Marius Andreiana) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 13:32:27 +0200 Subject: What does REDHAT recomend for 3D video card? In-Reply-To: <1071193656.5849.10.camel@gamer.ferorbit.com> References: <1071193656.5849.10.camel@gamer.ferorbit.com> Message-ID: <1071228747.6334.5.camel@marte.biciclete.ro> I don't like nVidia as it's not open source and integrated in kernel/xfree. Therefore I switched from nVidia to a motherboard with intel i845GL chipset. It works excellent out-of-the-box. Tested Enemy Territory, America's Army and others on it. -- Marius Andreiana Galuna - Solutii Linux in Romania http://www.galuna.ro From shrek-m at gmx.de Fri Dec 12 12:11:48 2003 From: shrek-m at gmx.de (shrek-m at gmx.de) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 13:11:48 +0100 Subject: What does REDHAT recomend for 3D video card? In-Reply-To: <1071193656.5849.10.camel@gamer.ferorbit.com> References: <1071193656.5849.10.camel@gamer.ferorbit.com> Message-ID: <3FD9B084.7080107@gmx.de> Stephan Schutter schrieb: >I have got the impression that RH does not respect NVidia much because >they will not give their code away... and well... sometimes there are >issues with the RedHat kernels and nvidia (sometimes they are compiled >with a different compiler than the one that is distributed with the >system?). Soooooo.... The big question: What video card am I supposed to >use? What DOES RedHat recommend? > > a SHORT answer you can start here http://www.redhat.com/cgi-bin/search.cgi?q=mharris+nvidia+ati&ps=50&o=0&m=all&wm=wrd&ul=%2Farchives%2Ffedora-devel-list and continue at http://www.redhat.com/cgi-bin/search.cgi eg. search for "mharris ati nvidia" after reading more than 1 email about redhat, nvidia, binary-only, ... i am sure that you will come to the result - your impression is wrong - your question has nothing to do in the fedora-test-list -- shrek-m From jlb17 at duke.edu Fri Dec 12 13:01:42 2003 From: jlb17 at duke.edu (Joshua Baker-LePain) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 08:01:42 -0500 (EST) Subject: fc1_x86_64 preview on tyan thunder k8w (S2885ANRF REV .03) In-Reply-To: <3FD8F623.1090908@cypress.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 11 Dec 2003 at 4:56pm, Thomas Dodd wrote > Alan Cox wrote: > > Thats different. You end up needing some mappings for kernel and user > > space to be efficient when dealing with user mappings. Whether you can > > get your .5Gb back depends if the chipset can remap it higher up in memory > > so that the 3.5-4Gb RAM masked by PCI is remapped at the top of memory. > > Know which ones, if any, currently can? AMD, Nvidia, or VIA? > Why would they release a chip that couldn't? In my (limited) experience, I've only "lost" significant chunks of memory on Tyan boards. Here are the results of 'free' on two systems with 4GB of RAM installed: total used free shared buffers cached Mem: 3688032 3258792 429240 0 105380 2519000 -/+ buffers/cache: 634412 3053620 total used free shared buffers cached Mem: 4012172 3476620 535552 0 67296 2975540 -/+ buffers/cache: 433784 3578388 The first system is dual Athlon MPs on a Tyan S2466. The second is dual Xeons on a Supermicro P4DPE. For good measure, here's free from a dual Opteron system with 8GB installed: total used free shared buffers cached Mem: 8070688 444488 7626200 0 99488 148820 -/+ buffers/cache: 196180 7874508 That's the Arima/Rioworks HDAMA motherboard. Given my past experiences with Tyan and AMD chipsets (read: S2460 *shudder*), I specifically requested that my vendor *not* use the Tyan MB in my Opteron systems. -- Joshua Baker-LePain Department of Biomedical Engineering Duke University From don.vanco at agilysys.com Fri Dec 12 13:11:15 2003 From: don.vanco at agilysys.com (Vanco, Don) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 08:11:15 -0500 Subject: What does REDHAT recomend for 3D video card? Message-ID: Klaasjan Brand [kjb at dds.nl] wrote: > Can't speak for Red Hat, but since they only support the open source > DRI drivers I guess you should look for the best supported DRI cards. > Currently the fastest cards supported by DRI are the lower > end ATI cards > (Radeon 9200). If you're no gamer and only use 3d ocasionally that's > fine (I'm running a radeon 8500 without problems). Aside from the fact that this way OT - this email is by far the most hilarious yet. I'm not waging a personal attack, but come on - "If you're not a gamer or only run 3D occasionally you may have to """settle""" for a Radeon 8500 or 9200??? That statement is hilarious! Both these cards are capable of 3D graphics FAR beyond what the human eye can appreciate - unless, of course, you're one of the people that believe they can actually _see_ Unreal @ 90+fps. Don From david.balazic at hermes.si Fri Dec 12 13:20:29 2003 From: david.balazic at hermes.si (David Balazic) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 14:20:29 +0100 Subject: What does REDHAT recomend for 3D video card? Message-ID: <600B91D5E4B8D211A58C00902724252C01BC047C@piramida.hermes.si> > Klaasjan Brand [kjb at dds.nl] wrote: > > > Can't speak for Red Hat, but since they only support the open source > > DRI drivers I guess you should look for the best supported DRI cards. > > Currently the fastest cards supported by DRI are the lower > > end ATI cards > > (Radeon 9200). If you're no gamer and only use 3d ocasionally that's > > fine (I'm running a radeon 8500 without problems). > Aside from the fact that this way OT - this email is by far the most > hilarious yet. I'm not waging a personal attack, but come on - "If you're > not a gamer or only run 3D occasionally you may have to """settle""" for a > Radeon 8500 or 9200??? That statement is hilarious! Both these cards are > capable of 3D graphics FAR beyond what the human eye can appreciate - > unless, of course, you're one of the people that believe they can actually > _see_ Unreal @ 90+fps. > Totally OT, but 90fps does not mean that the picture is actually smooth. Go watch a 24 fps movie in the theatre and a 50 fps 3D game and you'll notice that movements in the movie are much smoother, while in the game they stutter/jump/are jerky/unnatural. So pumping 100 fps might lower this problem, but not eliminate it. It is like 1024x768 3D game screenshot still looks much more artificial that a 640x480 screenshot from a movie. High numbers are not everything. So just because a 8500 can render 1024x768 at 60fps does not mean that there is nothing to improve. Whatever, David Balazic > Don > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > From akabi at speakeasy.net Fri Dec 12 13:54:13 2003 From: akabi at speakeasy.net (ne...) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 08:54:13 -0500 (EST) Subject: What does REDHAT recomend for 3D video card? In-Reply-To: <3FD99634.2080007@dds.nl> References: <1071193656.5849.10.camel@gamer.ferorbit.com> <3FD99634.2080007@dds.nl> Message-ID: On Dec 12, 2003 at 11:19, Klaasjan Brand in a soothing rage wrote: >Currently the fastest cards supported by DRI are the lower end ATI cards >(Radeon 9200). If you're no gamer and only use 3d ocasionally that's >fine (I'm running a radeon 8500 without problems). A word of caution. Be careful when choosing a Radeon 9200 based card. Mine uses AGP v3 which is not supported by the 2.4.x kernels. I can use the card in X with XFree86, but fps is way down in the 300 range with 1600x1200 at 24 resolution. AGP v3 is in the 2.6.x kernels but is not likely to be back ported. N.Emile... -- Registered Linux User # 125653 (http://counter.li.org) Switch to: http://www.speakeasy.net/refer/190653 Never make anything simple and efficient when a way can be found to make it complex and wonderful. 08:50:36 up 8 days, 13:37, 4 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 From davej at redhat.com Fri Dec 12 14:16:45 2003 From: davej at redhat.com (Dave Jones) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 14:16:45 +0000 Subject: New test kernel. Message-ID: <20031212141645.GT1471@redhat.com> There's an experimental test kernel available for folks using the testing repository (kernel-2.4.22-2132). Theres a fairly set of changes in this release due to the addition of the Tux http accelerator that we had in Red Hat Linux 9. I'd appreciate it very much if folks could hammer on this a little and see what falls out. The usage of Tux is no different from how it was in previous releases, so all existing documentation suffices. Cheers. Dave From thias at spam.spam.spam.spam.spam.spam.spam.egg.and.spam.freshrpms.net Fri Dec 12 14:30:22 2003 From: thias at spam.spam.spam.spam.spam.spam.spam.egg.and.spam.freshrpms.net (Matthias Saou) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 15:30:22 +0100 Subject: New test kernel. In-Reply-To: <20031212141645.GT1471@redhat.com> References: <20031212141645.GT1471@redhat.com> Message-ID: <20031212153022.5a34bbf2.thias@spam.spam.spam.spam.spam.spam.spam.egg.and.spam.freshrpms.net> Dave Jones wrote : > There's an experimental test kernel available for folks using the > testing repository (kernel-2.4.22-2132). > > Theres a fairly set of changes in this release due to the addition > of the Tux http accelerator that we had in Red Hat Linux 9. > > I'd appreciate it very much if folks could hammer on this a little > and see what falls out. The usage of Tux is no different from how > it was in previous releases, so all existing documentation suffices. Would any SATA patches have been included by any chance? I think I saw some in RHEL3's kernel, and also recall having read a post by Alan saying that SATA in 2.4 was currently more solid than in 2.6. Matthias -- Clean custom Red Hat Linux rpm packages : http://freshrpms.net/ Fedora Core release 1 (Yarrow) - Linux kernel 2.4.22-1.2129.nptl Load : 1.42 0.85 0.57 From prandal at herefordshire.gov.uk Fri Dec 12 14:53:01 2003 From: prandal at herefordshire.gov.uk (Randal, Phil) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 14:53:01 -0000 Subject: New test kernel. Message-ID: <0EBC45FCABFC95428EBFC3A51B368C9501C9C3D7@jessica.herefordshire.gov.uk> > There's an experimental test kernel available for folks using the > testing repository (kernel-2.4.22-2132). > > Theres a fairly set of changes in this release due to the addition > of the Tux http accelerator that we had in Red Hat Linux 9. > > I'd appreciate it very much if folks could hammer on this a little > and see what falls out. The usage of Tux is no different from how > it was in previous releases, so all existing documentation suffices. > > Cheers. > > Dave It's a mixed bag, I'm sorry to say. On my home PC it appears to work well, and it no longer hangs if my Epson C40 USB printer is powered up on bootup (it is attached to Via chipset USB 2 card). But, trying to boot a single processor Dell PowerEdge 2650 with it was not successful - it hung at some point in the startup. As it happened at 6:30pm last night I haven't any detailed documentation, and it is unlikely that I'll have the time to investigate further. The same box runs kernel-2.4.22-2129 happily. Cheers, Phil --------------------------------------------- Phil Randal Network Engineer Herefordshire Council Hereford, UK From davej at redhat.com Fri Dec 12 15:02:27 2003 From: davej at redhat.com (Dave Jones) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 15:02:27 +0000 Subject: New test kernel. In-Reply-To: <20031212153022.5a34bbf2.thias@spam.spam.spam.spam.spam.spam.spam.egg.and.spam.freshrpms.net> References: <20031212141645.GT1471@redhat.com> <20031212153022.5a34bbf2.thias@spam.spam.spam.spam.spam.spam.spam.egg.and.spam.freshrpms.net> Message-ID: <1071241347.11221.10.camel@delerium.codemonkey.org.uk> On Fri, 2003-12-12 at 14:30, Matthias Saou wrote: > Would any SATA patches have been included by any chance? I think I saw some > in RHEL3's kernel, and also recall having read a post by Alan saying that > SATA in 2.4 was currently more solid than in 2.6. Not in this release, but a libata update is on the top of my todo list for FC1. (I had hoped for it this week, but I've been a little busy with other stuff) The only other change in this kernel which I forgot to mention was a change in config options for matroxfb. It should now support G450/G550. Users of earlier Matrox cards shouldn't see any change. Dave From nbryant at optonline.net Fri Dec 12 15:11:54 2003 From: nbryant at optonline.net (Nathan Bryant) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 10:11:54 -0500 Subject: New test kernel. In-Reply-To: <1071241347.11221.10.camel@delerium.codemonkey.org.uk> References: <20031212141645.GT1471@redhat.com> <20031212153022.5a34bbf2.thias@spam.spam.spam.spam.spam.spam.spam.egg.and.spam.freshrpms.net> <1071241347.11221.10.camel@delerium.codemonkey.org.uk> Message-ID: <3FD9DABA.1060201@optonline.net> are there a lot of core kernel changes required for Tux, or is Tux fairly isolated/modular? From ted at cypress.com Fri Dec 12 15:11:53 2003 From: ted at cypress.com (Thomas Dodd) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 09:11:53 -0600 Subject: fc1_x86_64 preview on tyan thunder k8w (S2885ANRF REV .03) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3FD9DAB9.4090800@cypress.com> Joshua Baker-LePain wrote: > On Thu, 11 Dec 2003 at 4:56pm, Thomas Dodd wrote >>Know which ones, if any, currently can? AMD, Nvidia, or VIA? >>Why would they release a chip that couldn't? > > > In my (limited) experience, I've only "lost" significant chunks of memory > on Tyan boards. Here are the results of 'free' on two systems with 4GB of > RAM installed: > > total used free shared buffers cached > Mem: 3688032 3258792 429240 0 105380 2519000 > -/+ buffers/cache: 634412 3053620 > > total used free shared buffers cached > Mem: 4012172 3476620 535552 0 67296 2975540 > -/+ buffers/cache: 433784 3578388 > > The first system is dual Athlon MPs on a Tyan S2466. The second is > dual Xeons on a Supermicro P4DPE. For good measure, here's free from a Which chipsets are those? Not familiar with the individual boards, especially not ones for Intel CPUs. > dual Opteron system with 8GB installed: > > total used free shared buffers cached > Mem: 8070688 444488 7626200 0 99488 148820 > -/+ buffers/cache: 196180 7874508 > > That's the Arima/Rioworks HDAMA motherboard. Given my past experiences > with Tyan and AMD chipsets (read: S2460 *shudder*), I specifically > requested that my vendor *not* use the Tyan MB in my Opteron systems. So what chipset does that board use? I though all the early K8 boards used AMD chipsets. Anyone no more about the other K8 boards? Especially workstation boards (dual opteron with AGP). -Thomas From jlb17 at duke.edu Fri Dec 12 15:20:37 2003 From: jlb17 at duke.edu (Joshua Baker-LePain) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 10:20:37 -0500 (EST) Subject: fc1_x86_64 preview on tyan thunder k8w (S2885ANRF REV .03) In-Reply-To: <3FD9DAB9.4090800@cypress.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 12 Dec 2003 at 9:11am, Thomas Dodd wrote > > total used free shared buffers cached > > Mem: 3688032 3258792 429240 0 105380 2519000 > > -/+ buffers/cache: 634412 3053620 > > > > total used free shared buffers cached > > Mem: 4012172 3476620 535552 0 67296 2975540 > > -/+ buffers/cache: 433784 3578388 > > > > The first system is dual Athlon MPs on a Tyan S2466. The second is > > dual Xeons on a Supermicro P4DPE. For good measure, here's free from a > > Which chipsets are those? Not familiar with the individual boards, > especially not ones for Intel CPUs. The Tyan uses the AMD 760-MPX, and the Supermicro uses the Intel E7500. > > dual Opteron system with 8GB installed: > > > > total used free shared buffers cached > > Mem: 8070688 444488 7626200 0 99488 148820 > > -/+ buffers/cache: 196180 7874508 > > > > That's the Arima/Rioworks HDAMA motherboard. Given my past experiences > > with Tyan and AMD chipsets (read: S2460 *shudder*), I specifically > > requested that my vendor *not* use the Tyan MB in my Opteron systems. > > So what chipset does that board use? I though all the early K8 boards > used AMD chipsets. Anyone no more about the other K8 boards? > Especially workstation boards (dual opteron with AGP). Yes, it uses the AMD chipset. They also have the HDAMB, which is a workstation board: http://www.rioworks.com/HDAMB.htm -- Joshua Baker-LePain Department of Biomedical Engineering Duke University From davej at redhat.com Fri Dec 12 15:14:30 2003 From: davej at redhat.com (Dave Jones) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 15:14:30 +0000 Subject: New test kernel. In-Reply-To: <3FD9DABA.1060201@optonline.net> References: <20031212141645.GT1471@redhat.com> <20031212153022.5a34bbf2.thias@spam.spam.spam.spam.spam.spam.spam.egg.and.spam.freshrpms.net> <1071241347.11221.10.camel@delerium.codemonkey.org.uk> <3FD9DABA.1060201@optonline.net> Message-ID: <1071242069.11221.21.camel@delerium.codemonkey.org.uk> On Fri, 2003-12-12 at 15:11, Nathan Bryant wrote: > are there a lot of core kernel changes required for Tux, or is Tux > fairly isolated/modular? It's mostly isolated to net/tux/ , though there are some changes to the guts of mm/ fs/ net/ Its invasive in the sense that it has patches into core code that need wiring up to the tux internals, but its nowhere as invasive as say nptl, or exec-shield. When the sysctl is disabled the code it runs is 99% the same as how it was without the tux patch (The difference being in things like some functions taking extra parameters). Dave From ted at cypress.com Fri Dec 12 15:26:03 2003 From: ted at cypress.com (Thomas Dodd) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 09:26:03 -0600 Subject: What does REDHAT recomend for 3D video card? In-Reply-To: <1071196488.5849.16.camel@gamer.ferorbit.com> References: <1071196488.5849.16.camel@gamer.ferorbit.com> Message-ID: <3FD9DE0B.1080805@cypress.com> Stephan Schutter wrote: > I have seen the X screen savers freeze my PC (open GL ones)... Perhaps It's a driver issue. Get NVIDIA to fix the driver. > it is my card? Any way, I was wondering what if redhat were to select a > system to deploy Fedora on; what would it be? Does Linux like asus See recommendations from Mike Harris (mharris), the XFree86 maintainer for Red Hat. I'm pretty sure it would be an older Radeon. He's working on 2D support for the new cards. I haven't check the DRI list recently to see how/if newer cards are going. > better than Abit or NVidia better than ... and so on... what works What does Asus or Abit (motherboard makers) have to do with NVIDIA (chip maker)? Best cards right now are ATI, that use open drivers. Not the newest ones that require closed drivers. The newer cards and the closed ATI driver are ok, but same issues as any other closed driver. -Thomas From ted at cypress.com Fri Dec 12 15:39:00 2003 From: ted at cypress.com (Thomas Dodd) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 09:39:00 -0600 Subject: What does REDHAT recomend for 3D video card? In-Reply-To: <1071193656.5849.10.camel@gamer.ferorbit.com> References: <1071193656.5849.10.camel@gamer.ferorbit.com> Message-ID: <3FD9E114.9060804@cypress.com> Stephan Schutter wrote: > I have got the impression that RH does not respect NVidia much because > they will not give their code away... and well... sometimes there are It has nothing to do with "giving away" code. It is all about accessing the code to fix bugs. NVIDIA has gotten better, but they are still slow to fix bugs. Their code has been known to break other thing too. So Red Hat has no way to support it. No different than any other OS. I promise you that. Use driver that didn't come with M$ Windoze, and see how much support M$ gives you. Experience[1] tell me, NONE. Thats the biggest problem. The next is they don't use the standard interfaces in linux. They have their own APG driver and don't use DRI. They aren't even trying to fit it. (ATI seams to be doing better with their closed drivers. I think the use DRI and the kernel AGP.) NVIDIA restricts redistribution of the driver (like Sun does Java) so Red Hat couldn't include the drivers even if they wanted. -Thomas [1] When Win98 was current, I had troubles with an Adaptec SCSI card. Microsoft said the problem was the card or the device. Adaptec said it was the OS or the device. The device make said it was the OS or the card. Tried M$ supplied driver, and Adaptec's updated drivers. Neither worked well. It was not the card or the device (or anoy other hardware) since it worked fine in linux. Never had any problems with it in linux, ever. From kjb at dds.nl Fri Dec 12 15:39:22 2003 From: kjb at dds.nl (Klaasjan Brand) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 16:39:22 +0100 Subject: What does REDHAT recomend for 3D video card? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3FD9E12A.6040400@dds.nl> Vanco, Don wrote: > Aside from the fact that this way OT - this email is by far the most > >hilarious yet. I'm not waging a personal attack, but come on - "If you're >not a gamer or only run 3D occasionally you may have to """settle""" for a >Radeon 8500 or 9200??? That statement is hilarious! > If you're happy with a G400 or the Intel on-board stuff you can use that, but the fastest cards on the market are not supported by the DRI drivers. The supported cards are also more or less budget cards so some people might call that "settle for less" to have open source 3d acceleration support. > Both these cards are >capable of 3D graphics FAR beyond what the human eye can appreciate - >unless, of course, you're one of the people that believe they can actually >_see_ Unreal @ 90+fps. > > Instead of just increasing fps, you also need a lot of gpu horsepower to drive modern monitors in 1600x1200 and higher resolutions. Then there's the option of using more polygons to generate better looking images... Klaasjan From PerSteinar.Iversen at adm.hio.no Fri Dec 12 15:43:27 2003 From: PerSteinar.Iversen at adm.hio.no (Per Steinar Iversen) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 16:43:27 +0100 (CET) Subject: New test kernel. In-Reply-To: <20031212141645.GT1471@redhat.com> References: <20031212141645.GT1471@redhat.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 12 Dec 2003, Dave Jones wrote: > I'd appreciate it very much if folks could hammer on this a little > and see what falls out. The usage of Tux is no different from how > it was in previous releases, so all existing documentation suffices. For some reason vi now starts much slower on my machine, I can hear much more disk activity while it starts too. If I do "strace vi" then it starts at the old speed! Pentium 4, 850 chipset, SCSI disk, NVIDIA driver installed. -psi From reader at newsguy.com Fri Dec 12 15:53:17 2003 From: reader at newsguy.com (Harry Putnam) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 09:53:17 -0600 Subject: [fwd] During install ftp method fails on corret addresses In-Reply-To: (Alexandre Oliva's message of "12 Dec 2003 03:41:50 -0200") References: <2939.12.29.16.103.1071176240.squirrel@12.29.16.103> Message-ID: Alexandre Oliva writes: >> Why do you ask? > > Because if it's related with a test release, it belongs here. If it's > related with a stable release, it doesn't. > >> Why did you answer the post? > > Because you've just posted yet another off-topic duplicate message? Apparently I misunderstood the meaning of the `test' part in this lists name. I'm testing the install qualities of Yarrow. I'll move it back to Yarrow... Thanks From czar at czarc.net Fri Dec 12 16:56:23 2003 From: czar at czarc.net (Gene C.) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 11:56:23 -0500 Subject: What does REDHAT recomend for 3D video card? In-Reply-To: <1071196488.5849.16.camel@gamer.ferorbit.com> References: <1071196488.5849.16.camel@gamer.ferorbit.com> Message-ID: <200312121156.23294.czar@czarc.net> On Thursday 11 December 2003 21:34, Stephan Schutter wrote: > I have seen the X screen savers freeze my PC (open GL ones)... Perhaps > it is my card? Any way, I was wondering what if redhat were to select a > system to deploy Fedora on; what would it be? Does Linux like asus > better than Abit or NVidia better than ... and so on... what works > really well? I have good luck with ATI adapters and, if it is not a bleeding edge card, there is an open source version of the driver. However, I have also had hard freezes with some of the GL screensavers. It is very difficult to figure out just which one has the problem (causes the freeze). However, a year of more ago I spent some time trying to identify the screen savers which had problems ... running them one at a time in preview mode. One of the things I found out is that some of these screen savers work OK for a while but then do a freeze when some unexpected corner-case occurs. -- Gene From rhouston at rlhc.net Fri Dec 12 17:08:41 2003 From: rhouston at rlhc.net (Richard Houston) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 11:08:41 -0600 (CST) Subject: ACL support Message-ID: <35650.24.77.172.251.1071248921.squirrel@www.rlhc.net> I have a need for acl support. I will be replacing a Novell server with rather complex access permission. Will there be acl support in the fedora kernel anytime soon. If not would anyone be willing to help me out in getting the patches installed. I would also like acl support for JFS. I am currently using a SUSE kernel on fedora FC1 and the acls works fine but the gnome desktop seems to be a little flake with the suse kernel. -- Thanks in advance, Richard Houston R.L.H. Consulting www.rlhc.net From xose at wanadoo.es Fri Dec 12 15:49:41 2003 From: xose at wanadoo.es (Xose Vazquez Perez) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 16:49:41 +0100 Subject: What does REDHAT recomend for 3D video card? References: <1071193656.5849.10.camel@gamer.ferorbit.com> <3FD99634.2080007@dds.nl> Message-ID: <3FD9E395.1070800@wanadoo.es> Klaasjan Brand wrote: > Currently the fastest cards supported by DRI are the lower end ATI cards > (Radeon 9200). If you're no gamer and only use 3d ocasionally that's > fine (I'm running a radeon 8500 without problems). boards based on ATI RADEON R200 chip, aka 8500 and 9100, are the fastest on 3D for FOSS. Boards based on RV chips, 9000 and 9200, are slower. From whooperhsd3 at earthlink.net Fri Dec 12 20:11:37 2003 From: whooperhsd3 at earthlink.net (William Hooper) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 15:11:37 -0500 (EST) Subject: [fwd] During install ftp method fails on corret addresses In-Reply-To: References: <2939.12.29.16.103.1071176240.squirrel@12.29.16.103> Message-ID: <4929.209.239.137.166.1071259897.squirrel@209.239.137.166> Harry Putnam said: > "William Hooper" writes: > >> Harry Putnam said: >>> forwared from yarrow list ( hp -ed) >> >> Why? > > Why do you ask? Because you are Off-Topic. >>> Trying harddisk... my isos aren't recognized as reported previously. >> >> I see nothing involving test packages here? > > Why did you answer the post? To point out that you were off-topic. As far as your question, I replied to that in the fedora-list, where it is on-topic. -- William Hooper From joe at tmsusa.com Fri Dec 12 20:31:26 2003 From: joe at tmsusa.com (joe) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 12:31:26 -0800 Subject: What does REDHAT recomend for 3D video card? In-Reply-To: <200312121156.23294.czar@czarc.net> References: <1071196488.5849.16.camel@gamer.ferorbit.com> <200312121156.23294.czar@czarc.net> Message-ID: <3FDA259E.2030100@tmsusa.com> Gene C. wrote: >I have good luck with ATI adapters and, if it is not a bleeding edge card, >there is an open source version of the driver. > >However, I have also had hard freezes with some of the GL screensavers. > Whoa, full stop - that doesn't sound luck my idea of good luck. However, it does sound a lot like my experience with ATI cards from a few years ago - I tried to do the right thing and run an ATI card a few years back, but the system would lock hard as soon as I tried to start return to castle wolfenstein. I yanked that card and sold it to a windoze users, and have been using nvidia cards ever since. I've never had a crash to date since running nvidia cards - and I play a lot of 3D FPS, and run GL screensavers, so 3D stability is something I am sensitive to. I have no use for a card/driver combo that can cause hard locks - say what you will about nvidia, but their stuff has been rock solid for me, no matter what I throw at it. YMMV, Joe From ted at cypress.com Fri Dec 12 22:17:36 2003 From: ted at cypress.com (Thomas Dodd) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 16:17:36 -0600 Subject: What does REDHAT recomend for 3D video card? In-Reply-To: <3FDA259E.2030100@tmsusa.com> References: <1071196488.5849.16.camel@gamer.ferorbit.com> <200312121156.23294.czar@czarc.net> <3FDA259E.2030100@tmsusa.com> Message-ID: <3FDA3E80.9020903@cypress.com> joe wrote: > However, it does sound a lot like my experience with ATI cards from a > few years ago - A lot has change since then. The drivers have matured. > I tried to do the right thing and run an ATI card a few years back, but > the system would lock hard as soon as I tried to start return to castle My Rage128 has never locked anything up :) The DRI drivers are not bad. > I have no use for a card/driver combo that can cause hard locks - say > what you will about nvidia, but their stuff has been rock solid for me, > no matter what I throw at it. Lucky you. Then again, they may have improved their drivers too. I gave up on them. They promised open source drivers, then released obfuscated crap no one could work on. Later the developed other drivers, but kept them closed. I gave up just before the GeForce+ frivers were released. I had a TNT2 and they wouldn't work on it. -Thomas From ppokorny at penguincomputing.com Sat Dec 13 04:53:17 2003 From: ppokorny at penguincomputing.com (Philip Pokorny) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 20:53:17 -0800 Subject: fc1_x86_64 preview on tyan thunder k8w (S2885ANRF REV .03) References: <20031212142623.16283.56477.Mailman@listman.back-rdu.redhat.com> Message-ID: <3FDA9B3D.90707@penguincomputing.com> > Message: 23 Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 08:01:42 -0500 (EST) > From: Joshua Baker-LePain > To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com > Subject: Re: fc1_x86_64 preview on tyan thunder k8w (S2885ANRF REV .03) > > Thomas Dodd wrote >>> Thats different. You end up needing some mappings for kernel and >>> user space to be efficient when dealing with user mappings. Whether >>> you can get your .5Gb back depends if the chipset can remap it >>> higher up in memory >>> so that the 3.5-4Gb RAM masked by PCI is remapped at the top of >>> memory. >> >> Know which ones, if any, currently can? AMD, Nvidia, or VIA? >> Why would they release a chip that couldn't? I've only seen this feature on the Intel Plumas chipsets (E75xx) > In my (limited) experience, I've only "lost" significant chunks of > memory on Tyan boards. Here are the results of 'free' on two systems > with 4GB of RAM installed: > > total > Mem: 3688032 > > total > Mem: 4012172 > > The first system is dual Athlon MPs on a Tyan S2466. The second is > dual Xeons on a Supermicro P4DPE. This isn't a Tyan vs SuperMicro issue. You've got two different chipsets here. The Tyan S2720 (equivalent to the P4DPE) will give you the same amount of available RAM as the P4DPE because it has the same E7500 chipset. The S2466 is limited by the AMD760 chipset. The memory controller only has 32-bit addressing so when you install 4G of RAM, you loose whatever is needed for your PCI peripherals. With only 32-bits, there is no place to map the memory to. This is part of the answer to why someone would release a chipset that can't remap memory. The Athlon MP CPU's don't have PAE extended addressing mode support, so they can only address 4G of total address space so there is no reason to implement memory remapping. Another factor here is that the S2466 is a workstation board and you might have had a video card with 64MB or 128MB of memory on it installed. Due to the way PCI addresses are assigned, a 128MB video card effectively consumes a little more than 256MB of address space. The P4DPE is a server board and so you only had a 4MB or 8MB video buffer for the on-board ATI Rage graphics controller. That only uses 8MB or 16MB of address space. Even without memory remaping, the P4DPE is going to win. By the way, if you have a hot-swap capable system, you can loose even more RAM because empty PCI slots have to have memory space reserved for them in case a PCI card is installed after the system POST's. The default is generally to allocate 128 or 256MB of memory space to *EACH* hotswap slot. Three or four hot-swap slots eat up almost a 1G of memory! > For good measure, here's free from > a dual Opteron system with 8GB installed: > > total > Mem: 8070688 > > That's the Arima/Rioworks HDAMA motherboard. Given my past experiences > with Tyan and AMD chipsets (read: S2460 *shudder*), I specifically > requested that my vendor *not* use the Tyan MB in my Opteron systems. I've had good success with the Tyan motherboards. All the way from dual PIII, P4 Xeon and on to Opteron. The Arima HDAMA is also nice. But on the very early HDAMA BIOS's you could loose as much as 1G in a 4G config because the Phoenix BIOS was sloppy. But again, it's not a motherboard manufacturer issue. You loose the memory under your PCI space with the Opteron's same as the Athlon no matter whose motherboard you use. The Opteron does have PAE mode support and plenty of address bits, but the memory controller on the CPU apparently doesn't have a way to remap that memory. Being as the memory controller is actually on the CPU and must be accessed cache-coherently in a multi-CPU board, adding memory remapping to get back 256MB or 512MB out of 4096MB (or more) must not have been worth it. :v) -- Philip Pokorny, Director of Engineering Tel: 415-358-2635 Fax: 415-358-2646 Toll Free: 888-PENGUIN PENGUIN COMPUTING, INC. www.penguincomputing.com From maxer1 at xmission.com Sat Dec 13 09:56:42 2003 From: maxer1 at xmission.com (RaXeT) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 02:56:42 -0700 Subject: kernel 2.6.0-test11 custom compile weirdness Message-ID: <3FDAE25A.2090506@xmission.com> Something I've noticed and not sure why. When compiling a custom kernel the entire process works flawlessly except that after make install, all the driver permissions aren't properly set. I had to do chmod 744 with -R to get the permissions right. Also I noticed that on arjanv's test11 that I immediately received a kernel panic on (0,0) for kernel-2.6.0-0.test11.1.102.i686. Currently have a very stable NON custom kernel-2.6.0-0.test11.1.100.i686 in operation grabbed from arjanv's http://people.redhat.com/arjanv/2.5/RPMS.kernel/ site. I'm thinking that somehow my sata drive is at issue. Issuing an lspci I get the following address for the Promise RAID controller: 0000:02:04.0 RAID bus controller: Promise Technology, Inc. PDC20376 (rev 02) Any ideas why custom kernel building creates a non functioning, kernel panick for this kernel? I have built many custom kernels and not sure what is causing this problem. Any ideas? Thanks, RaXeT From maxer1 at xmission.com Sat Dec 13 09:59:50 2003 From: maxer1 at xmission.com (RaXeT) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 02:59:50 -0700 Subject: New test kernel. In-Reply-To: <1071241347.11221.10.camel@delerium.codemonkey.org.uk> References: <20031212141645.GT1471@redhat.com> <20031212153022.5a34bbf2.thias@spam.spam.spam.spam.spam.spam.spam.egg.and.spam.freshrpms.net> <1071241347.11221.10.camel@delerium.codemonkey.org.uk> Message-ID: <3FDAE316.8040507@xmission.com> Dave Jones wrote: >On Fri, 2003-12-12 at 14:30, Matthias Saou wrote: > > > >>Would any SATA patches have been included by any chance? I think I saw some >>in RHEL3's kernel, and also recall having read a post by Alan saying that >>SATA in 2.4 was currently more solid than in 2.6. >> >> > >Not in this release, but a libata update is on the top of my todo list >for FC1. (I had hoped for it this week, but I've been a little busy with >other stuff) > >The only other change in this kernel which I forgot to mention was a >change in config options for matroxfb. It should now support G450/G550. >Users of earlier Matrox cards shouldn't see any change. > > You can grab a functioning Promise 0libata kernel from: http://www.ee.oulu.fi/~pp/fc1-libata Use at your own risk. RaXeT From alan at redhat.com Sat Dec 13 13:44:47 2003 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 08:44:47 -0500 Subject: fc1_x86_64 preview on tyan thunder k8w (S2885ANRF REV .03) In-Reply-To: <3FDA9B3D.90707@penguincomputing.com> References: <20031212142623.16283.56477.Mailman@listman.back-rdu.redhat.com> <3FDA9B3D.90707@penguincomputing.com> Message-ID: <20031213134447.GB30595@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Fri, Dec 12, 2003 at 08:53:17PM -0800, Philip Pokorny wrote: > This is part of the answer to why someone would release a chipset that > can't remap memory. The Athlon MP CPU's don't have PAE extended > addressing mode support, so they can only address 4G of total address > space so there is no reason to implement memory remapping. Mine thinks it does. The pae flag is set. Whether the chipset supports it is another matter, but the bus certainly does From rhouston at rlhc.net Sun Dec 14 04:32:01 2003 From: rhouston at rlhc.net (Richard Houston) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 22:32:01 -0600 (CST) Subject: JFS at install time Message-ID: <35039.24.77.172.251.1071376321.squirrel@www.rlhc.net> Any chance that we will be able to use JFS as a file system at install time any time soon? FC2 maybe? -- Thanks Richard Houston R.L.H. Consulting www.rlhc.net From aoliva at redhat.com Sun Dec 14 05:11:31 2003 From: aoliva at redhat.com (Alexandre Oliva) Date: 14 Dec 2003 03:11:31 -0200 Subject: JFS at install time In-Reply-To: <35039.24.77.172.251.1071376321.squirrel@www.rlhc.net> References: <35039.24.77.172.251.1071376321.squirrel@www.rlhc.net> Message-ID: On Dec 14, 2003, "Richard Houston" wrote: > Any chance that we will be able to use JFS as a file system at install > time any time soon? Did you try adding jfs to the installer boot command line? IIRC that's all it takes. -- Alexandre Oliva Enjoy Guarana', see http://www.ic.unicamp.br/~oliva/ Red Hat GCC Developer aoliva@{redhat.com, gcc.gnu.org} CS PhD student at IC-Unicamp oliva@{lsd.ic.unicamp.br, gnu.org} Free Software Evangelist Professional serial bug killer From jpearl24 at cox.net Sun Dec 14 05:14:53 2003 From: jpearl24 at cox.net (jason pearl) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 22:14:53 -0700 Subject: amd64 iso images? Message-ID: <1071378893.4252.0.camel@localhost> is there somewhere i can get 64 bit iso images? thanks jason -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From pavelr at coresma.com Sun Dec 14 09:41:44 2003 From: pavelr at coresma.com (Pavel Rosenboim) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 11:41:44 +0200 Subject: 2.6 kernels in rawhide and from Arjan's repository. Message-ID: <3FDC3058.3080302@coresma.com> Hi, Anyone knows what's the difference between 2.6 kernels in rawhide and and in Arjan's repository? Pavel. From redhat-jc at insight.rr.com Sun Dec 14 14:53:12 2003 From: redhat-jc at insight.rr.com (Jim Cornette) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 09:53:12 -0500 Subject: 2.6 kernels in rawhide and from Arjan's repository. In-Reply-To: <3FDC3058.3080302@coresma.com> References: <3FDC3058.3080302@coresma.com> Message-ID: <3FDC7958.6010105@insight.rr.com> Pavel Rosenboim wrote: > Hi, > > Anyone knows what's the difference between 2.6 kernels in rawhide and > and in Arjan's repository? > > Pavel. > > For me, the development kernel works with my synaptic mouse pad. It connects to the Internet also. I had usb, mouse (synaptic) and ethernet problems with Arjan's version. The deveopmental kernel works fairly quick and my acpi features. (Battery, ac, processor cooling seem to be working properly.) I pulled out of arjan's kernels a long time back. They never worked well for me. Thanks for the note that the 2.6 is in fedora. Works great! Jim From 64bit_fedora at comcast.net Sun Dec 14 16:41:07 2003 From: 64bit_fedora at comcast.net (Justin M. Forbes) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 10:41:07 -0600 Subject: amd64 iso images? In-Reply-To: <1071378893.4252.0.camel@localhost> References: <1071378893.4252.0.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <20031214164107.GA18913@comcast.net> On Sat, Dec 13, 2003 at 10:14:53PM -0700, jason pearl wrote: > is there somewhere i can get 64 bit iso images? thanks jason There is nowhere to download them yet, but they are easy to build. Rough instructions are available in the FAQ at: http://www.linuxtx.org/amd64faq.html Justin From jpearl24 at cox.net Sun Dec 14 21:26:27 2003 From: jpearl24 at cox.net (Jason Pearl) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 14:26:27 -0700 Subject: amd64 iso images? References: <1071378893.4252.0.camel@localhost> <20031214164107.GA18913@comcast.net> Message-ID: <001501c3c288$ef032f50$6800a8c0@sesso2> thanks alot ----- Original Message ----- From: "Justin M. Forbes" <64bit_fedora at comcast.net> To: Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2003 9:41 AM Subject: Re: amd64 iso images? > On Sat, Dec 13, 2003 at 10:14:53PM -0700, jason pearl wrote: > > is there somewhere i can get 64 bit iso images? thanks jason > > There is nowhere to download them yet, but they are easy to build. Rough > instructions are available in the FAQ at: > http://www.linuxtx.org/amd64faq.html > > Justin > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From davej at redhat.com Mon Dec 15 12:15:11 2003 From: davej at redhat.com (Dave Jones) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 12:15:11 +0000 Subject: 2.6 kernels in rawhide and from Arjan's repository. In-Reply-To: <3FDC3058.3080302@coresma.com> References: <3FDC3058.3080302@coresma.com> Message-ID: <1071490510.22592.3.camel@delerium.codemonkey.org.uk> On Sun, 2003-12-14 at 09:41, Pavel Rosenboim wrote: > Hi, > > Anyone knows what's the difference between 2.6 kernels in rawhide and > and in Arjan's repository? the kernel in rawhide is what will be the FC2 kernel. It's based on Arjan's kernel, but doesn't feature all the patches he applied (In particular the 4g/4g patch is missing). Dave From nbecker at hns.com Mon Dec 15 15:01:58 2003 From: nbecker at hns.com (Neal D. Becker) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 10:01:58 -0500 Subject: 2.6 kernels in rawhide and from Arjan's repository. In-Reply-To: <1071490510.22592.3.camel@delerium.codemonkey.org.uk> References: <3FDC3058.3080302@coresma.com> <1071490510.22592.3.camel@delerium.codemonkey.org.uk> Message-ID: <200312151001.58696.nbecker@hns.com> On Monday 15 December 2003 07:15 am, Dave Jones wrote: > On Sun, 2003-12-14 at 09:41, Pavel Rosenboim wrote: > > Hi, > > > > Anyone knows what's the difference between 2.6 kernels in rawhide and > > and in Arjan's repository? > > the kernel in rawhide is what will be the FC2 kernel. > It's based on Arjan's kernel, but doesn't feature all the patches > he applied (In particular the 4g/4g patch is missing). Where do I find this "rawhide" kernel? Is it yummable? (yummy?) From shrek-m at gmx.de Mon Dec 15 15:47:51 2003 From: shrek-m at gmx.de (shrek-m at gmx.de) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 16:47:51 +0100 Subject: 2.6 kernels in rawhide and from Arjan's repository. In-Reply-To: <200312151001.58696.nbecker@hns.com> References: <3FDC3058.3080302@coresma.com> <1071490510.22592.3.camel@delerium.codemonkey.org.uk> <200312151001.58696.nbecker@hns.com> Message-ID: <3FDDD7A7.4090707@gmx.de> Neal D. Becker schrieb: >Where do I find this "rawhide" kernel? Is it yummable? (yummy?) > afaik ex-rawhide is now fc-development http://ftp.redhat.com/pub/redhat/linux/rawhide/ --> http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/development/ -- shrek-m From jpearl24 at cox.net Mon Dec 15 21:24:20 2003 From: jpearl24 at cox.net (Jason Pearl) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 14:24:20 -0700 Subject: amd64 iso images? References: <1071378893.4252.0.camel@localhost> <20031214164107.GA18913@comcast.net> Message-ID: <002c01c3c351$cd66cea0$6800a8c0@sesso2> do i have to keep the tree exactly like it is?? cuz i did the image but the part where it asks for the cd doesnt work... i have the folders set up different though?? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Justin M. Forbes" <64bit_fedora at comcast.net> To: Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2003 9:41 AM Subject: Re: amd64 iso images? > On Sat, Dec 13, 2003 at 10:14:53PM -0700, jason pearl wrote: > > is there somewhere i can get 64 bit iso images? thanks jason > > There is nowhere to download them yet, but they are easy to build. Rough > instructions are available in the FAQ at: > http://www.linuxtx.org/amd64faq.html > > Justin > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From kissg at dataminer.hu Tue Dec 16 10:25:14 2003 From: kissg at dataminer.hu (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Kiss_G=E1bor?=) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 11:25:14 +0100 Subject: kylix+fedora+postgresql Message-ID: <005b01c3c3be$e510ec80$0401a8c0@pclaptop> Dear All, after RH9 upgrade to Fedora the Kylix3 cant load the libsqlpg.so (postgresql) library. It is a kompatibility problem or it is a simply file linking problem? Could you help me, where can I control it? Thanx G?bor From nphilipp at redhat.com Tue Dec 16 14:39:37 2003 From: nphilipp at redhat.com (Nils Philippsen) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 15:39:37 +0100 Subject: Reiser support? In-Reply-To: <3FD5EB8E.2090006@prometheon.net> References: <3FD4D0BA.1040302@prometheon.net> <3FD4D323.4000306@optonline.net> <3FD4D4CD.8060505@prometheon.net> <3FD4D6C1.1020207@optonline.net> <3FD4D9AD.2060302@prometheon.net> <3FD4DE0F.5040408@optonline.net> <3FD4E9BC.3070202@rackable.com> <3FD52E42.1020604@optonline.net> <3FD5EB8E.2090006@prometheon.net> Message-ID: <1071585576.6272.11.camel@wombat.tiptoe.de> On Tue, 2003-12-09 at 16:34, Ryan Nix wrote: > How do you recreate your initrd? If your kernel is called e.g. 2.4.22-1.2132.nptl, you'd do: mkinitrd -f /boot/initrd-2.4.22-1.2132.nptl.img 2.4.22-1.2132.nptl The "-f" is important because the initrd file already exists. Nils -- Nils Philippsen / Red Hat / nphilipp at redhat.com "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- B. Franklin, 1759 PGP fingerprint: C4A8 9474 5C4C ADE3 2B8F 656D 47D8 9B65 6951 3011 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From 64bit_fedora at comcast.net Tue Dec 16 16:03:07 2003 From: 64bit_fedora at comcast.net (Justin M. Forbes) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 10:03:07 -0600 Subject: FC1 AMD64 Preview Updates Available Message-ID: <20031216160307.GA24288@comcast.net> Nothing earth shattering here, basically just getting the Preview release updates synched with the FC1 i386 updates. For what has changed, please see the original errata announcements. 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In-Reply-To: <20031216160316.GE1072@redhat.com> References: <20031216160316.GE1072@redhat.com> Message-ID: <20031216171535.5f21f063.thias@spam.spam.spam.spam.spam.spam.spam.egg.and.spam.freshrpms.net> Dave Jones wrote : > A large libata update this time, moving to Jeff's latest 2.4.23 patch. > SATA users, let me know how well this works for you. Argh, just when I finally did a "yum upgrade" to FC development in order to move the system to an SATA drive by using 2.6. I'll try to give it a try nevertheless if userland still works with 2.4. Matthias -- Clean custom Red Hat Linux rpm packages : http://freshrpms.net/ Fedora Core release 1 (Yarrow) - Linux kernel 2.4.22-1.2132.nptl Load : 0.54 0.84 0.82 From alexl at redhat.com Tue Dec 16 16:32:08 2003 From: alexl at redhat.com (Alexander Larsson) Date: 16 Dec 2003 17:32:08 +0100 Subject: Fedora Core 1 Test Update: dia-0.92.2-1 Message-ID: <1071592328.1811.416.camel@localhost.localdomain> --------------------------------------------------------------------- Fedora Update Notification FEDORA-2003-039 2003-12-16 --------------------------------------------------------------------- Name : dia Version : 0.92.2 Release : 1 Summary : A diagram drawing program. Description : The Dia drawing program is designed to be like the Windows(TM) Visio program. Dia can be used to draw different types of diagrams, and includes support for UML static structure diagrams (class diagrams), entity relationship modeling, and network diagrams. Dia can load and save diagrams to a custom file format, can load and save in .xml format, and can export to PostScript(TM). --------------------------------------------------------------------- Update Information: Update to 0.92.2 --------------------------------------------------------------------- * Tue Dec 09 2003 Alexander Larsson 1:0.92.2-1 - update to 0.92.2 Lots of new changes in this version, including support for auto-routing of zig-zag lines. Check out the news for details: http://www.lysator.liu.se/~alla/dia/ Please beat on this and report any problems. Hopefully there won't be many so i can push this as an update. --------------------------------------------------------------------- This update can be downloaded from: http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/updates/testing/1/ 0a40d8a71298ddfb86e0e545477e620e SRPMS/dia-0.92.2-1.src.rpm 7a10d1899b03c32df70968406f69f086 i386/dia-0.92.2-1.i386.rpm 3c3da083eb76e4448efaf6409a1d6e32 i386/debug/dia-debuginfo-0.92.2-1.i386.rpm This update can also be installed with the Update Agent; you can launch the Update Agent with the 'up2date' command. --------------------------------------------------------------------- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Alexander Larsson Red Hat, Inc alexl at redhat.com alla at lysator.liu.se He's a fast talking amnesiac cyborg from the 'hood. She's an elegant gold-digging Hell's Angel with the power to see death. They fight crime! From katzj at redhat.com Tue Dec 16 17:16:03 2003 From: katzj at redhat.com (Jeremy Katz) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 12:16:03 -0500 Subject: Another test kernel (2135). In-Reply-To: <20031216171535.5f21f063.thias@spam.spam.spam.spam.spam.spam.spam.egg.and.spam.freshrpms.net> References: <20031216160316.GE1072@redhat.com> <20031216171535.5f21f063.thias@spam.spam.spam.spam.spam.spam.spam.egg.and.spam.freshrpms.net> Message-ID: <1071594963.22912.20.camel@mirkwood.devel.redhat.com> On Tue, 2003-12-16 at 11:15, Matthias Saou wrote: > Argh, just when I finally did a "yum upgrade" to FC development in order to > move the system to an SATA drive by using 2.6. I'll try to give it a try > nevertheless if userland still works with 2.4. It should -- I'm running it and swapping my laptop back and forth between kernels fairly regularly for various reasons right now Jeremy From pauln at truemesh.com Tue Dec 16 17:27:37 2003 From: pauln at truemesh.com (Paul Nasrat) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 17:27:37 +0000 Subject: Another test kernel (2135). In-Reply-To: <1071594963.22912.20.camel@mirkwood.devel.redhat.com> References: <20031216160316.GE1072@redhat.com> <20031216171535.5f21f063.thias@spam.spam.spam.spam.spam.spam.spam.egg.and.spam.freshrpms.net> <1071594963.22912.20.camel@mirkwood.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20031216172721.GN3409@ensim.rackshack.net> On Tue, Dec 16, 2003 at 12:16:03PM -0500, Jeremy Katz wrote: > On Tue, 2003-12-16 at 11:15, Matthias Saou wrote: > > Argh, just when I finally did a "yum upgrade" to FC development in order to > > move the system to an SATA drive by using 2.6. I'll try to give it a try > > nevertheless if userland still works with 2.4. > > It should -- I'm running it and swapping my laptop back and forth > between kernels fairly regularly for various reasons right now Unless you've run the selinux migration scripts and then I found the current 2.4 won't boot, but other than that switching between 2.4/2.6testX should be relatively painless :( >From the readme in selinux-doc: You may want to configure and build a 2.4+EA kernel if you still want to boot 2.4 kernels on your system, as unmodified 2.4 kernels will not boot after you have assigned the SELinux EAs to the root filesystem. http://acl.bestbits.at/ Paul From kaboom at gatech.edu Tue Dec 16 17:44:08 2003 From: kaboom at gatech.edu (Chris Ricker) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 12:44:08 -0500 (EST) Subject: Another test kernel (2135). In-Reply-To: <20031216172721.GN3409@ensim.rackshack.net> References: <20031216160316.GE1072@redhat.com> <20031216171535.5f21f063.thias@spam.spam.spam.spam.spam.spam.spam.egg.and.spam.freshrpms.net> <1071594963.22912.20.camel@mirkwood.devel.redhat.com> <20031216172721.GN3409@ensim.rackshack.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 16 Dec 2003, Paul Nasrat wrote: > Unless you've run the selinux migration scripts and then I found the current > 2.4 won't boot, but other than that switching between 2.4/2.6testX should be > relatively painless :( > > >From the readme in selinux-doc: > > You may want to configure and build a 2.4+EA kernel if you still want > to boot 2.4 kernels on your system, as unmodified 2.4 kernels will not > boot after you have assigned the SELinux EAs to the root filesystem. > > http://acl.bestbits.at/ Would it be a good idea to get these integrated into the next 2.4 testing kernel if they're not already there, just to make it easier for people to start testing the FC2 devel tree? later, chris From katzj at redhat.com Tue Dec 16 17:53:44 2003 From: katzj at redhat.com (Jeremy Katz) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 12:53:44 -0500 Subject: Another test kernel (2135). In-Reply-To: <20031216172721.GN3409@ensim.rackshack.net> References: <20031216160316.GE1072@redhat.com> <20031216171535.5f21f063.thias@spam.spam.spam.spam.spam.spam.spam.egg.and.spam.freshrpms.net> <1071594963.22912.20.camel@mirkwood.devel.redhat.com> <20031216172721.GN3409@ensim.rackshack.net> Message-ID: <1071597223.22912.36.camel@mirkwood.devel.redhat.com> On Tue, 2003-12-16 at 12:27, Paul Nasrat wrote: > Unless you've run the selinux migration scripts and then I found the current > 2.4 won't boot, but other than that switching between 2.4/2.6testX should be > relatively painless :( Right, that's the one caveat right now. And hopefully that one will get fixed soon :) Jeremy From pauln at truemesh.com Tue Dec 16 18:03:09 2003 From: pauln at truemesh.com (Paul Nasrat) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 18:03:09 +0000 Subject: Another test kernel (2135). In-Reply-To: References: <20031216160316.GE1072@redhat.com> <20031216171535.5f21f063.thias@spam.spam.spam.spam.spam.spam.spam.egg.and.spam.freshrpms.net> <1071594963.22912.20.camel@mirkwood.devel.redhat.com> <20031216172721.GN3409@ensim.rackshack.net> Message-ID: <20031216180307.GO3409@ensim.rackshack.net> On Tue, Dec 16, 2003 at 12:44:08PM -0500, Chris Ricker wrote: > On Tue, 16 Dec 2003, Paul Nasrat wrote: > > > You may want to configure and build a 2.4+EA kernel if you still want > > to boot 2.4 kernels on your system, as unmodified 2.4 kernels will not > > boot after you have assigned the SELinux EAs to the root filesystem. > Would it be a good idea to get these integrated into the next 2.4 testing > kernel if they're not already there, just to make it easier for people to > start testing the FC2 devel tree? A fix is being worked on, people are unlikely to hit it unless the deliberately turn on selinux stuff and run make relabel IIRC. Paul From ted at cypress.com Tue Dec 16 19:08:21 2003 From: ted at cypress.com (Thomas Dodd) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 13:08:21 -0600 Subject: foomatic 3.0.0-13 Message-ID: <3FDF5825.9070707@cypress.com> What in particular about the current foomatic rpm requires perl>=5.8.1 ? I find nothing noting that version in the foomatic files. Also, trying to build newer cups, when was -fpie and -pie added to gcc tools? -Thomas From davej at redhat.com Tue Dec 16 18:59:36 2003 From: davej at redhat.com (Dave Jones) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 18:59:36 +0000 Subject: New test kernel. In-Reply-To: References: <20031212141645.GT1471@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1071601176.6204.2.camel@delerium.codemonkey.org.uk> On Fri, 2003-12-12 at 15:43, Per Steinar Iversen wrote: > For some reason vi now starts much slower on my machine, I can hear much > more disk activity while it starts too. If I do "strace vi" then it starts > at the old speed! That is _very_ odd. Same thing happen with 2135 ? > Pentium 4, 850 chipset, SCSI disk, NVIDIA driver installed. And it happens even without the nvidia driver loaded ? Dave From davej at redhat.com Tue Dec 16 18:58:54 2003 From: davej at redhat.com (Dave Jones) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 18:58:54 +0000 Subject: New test kernel. In-Reply-To: <0EBC45FCABFC95428EBFC3A51B368C9501C9C3D7@jessica.herefordshire.gov.uk> References: <0EBC45FCABFC95428EBFC3A51B368C9501C9C3D7@jessica.herefordshire.gov.uk> Message-ID: <1071601134.6204.0.camel@delerium.codemonkey.org.uk> On Fri, 2003-12-12 at 14:53, Randal, Phil wrote: > It's a mixed bag, I'm sorry to say. > > On my home PC it appears to work well, and it no longer hangs if my Epson > C40 USB printer is powered up on bootup (it is attached to Via chipset USB 2 > card). > > But, trying to boot a single processor Dell PowerEdge 2650 with it was not > successful - it hung at some point in the startup. As it happened at 6:30pm > last night I haven't any detailed documentation, and it is unlikely that > I'll have the time to investigate further. The same box runs > kernel-2.4.22-2129 happily. Does 2135 behave normally ? Dave From jpearl24 at cox.net Tue Dec 16 20:21:45 2003 From: jpearl24 at cox.net (jason pearl) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 13:21:45 -0700 Subject: nforce 3 drivers? Message-ID: <1071606105.9640.1.camel@localhost> anyone know if the nforce 3 drivers are supported yet ? i have the asus sk8n boardand i am having trouble with making an iso... should i download the whole treee and leave it as is then i write the whole thing onto a disk? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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For install, see http://www.linuxtx.org/amd64faq.html From mcolome1 at yahoo.com Tue Dec 16 21:33:20 2003 From: mcolome1 at yahoo.com (marcos colome) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 13:33:20 -0800 (PST) Subject: nforce 3 drivers? In-Reply-To: <20031216212907.GD24288@comcast.net> Message-ID: <20031216213320.59844.qmail@web80507.mail.yahoo.com> Probably he means the drivers to the Nforce chipset that has been installed in most of the 64 bits motherboards instead of the Via chipsets for the AMD 64 and Opteron CPU. "Justin M. Forbes" <64bit_fedora at comcast.net> wrote: On Tue, Dec 16, 2003 at 01:21:45PM -0700, jason pearl wrote: > > anyone know if the nforce 3 drivers are supported yet ? i have the asus > sk8n boardand i am having trouble with making an iso... should i > download the whole treee and leave it as is then i write the whole > thing onto a disk? I am not sure what you mean by NForce 3 drivers. AGPgart, IDE (Not all SATA chipsets) and most network adapters onboard NF3 systems are supported, sound seems to be largely ALSA supported, so would require additional packages. For install, see http://www.linuxtx.org/amd64faq.html -- fedora-test-list mailing list fedora-test-list at redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mcolome1 at yahoo.com Tue Dec 16 21:46:22 2003 From: mcolome1 at yahoo.com (marcos colome) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 13:46:22 -0800 (PST) Subject: nforce 3 drivers? In-Reply-To: <20031216212907.GD24288@comcast.net> Message-ID: <20031216214622.18363.qmail@web80512.mail.yahoo.com> There must be a driver (s) because for the AMD 64 bits, the only chipset used at the present time are Nforce 3 and Via 8 and at the present time there are only four motherboards that have been manufactured and they are: ASUS, MSI, ABIT and Gigabyte. which support the AMD 64 and the Opteron CPU. "Justin M. Forbes" <64bit_fedora at comcast.net> wrote: On Tue, Dec 16, 2003 at 01:21:45PM -0700, jason pearl wrote: > > anyone know if the nforce 3 drivers are supported yet ? i have the asus > sk8n boardand i am having trouble with making an iso... should i > download the whole treee and leave it as is then i write the whole > thing onto a disk? I am not sure what you mean by NForce 3 drivers. AGPgart, IDE (Not all SATA chipsets) and most network adapters onboard NF3 systems are supported, sound seems to be largely ALSA supported, so would require additional packages. For install, see http://www.linuxtx.org/amd64faq.html -- fedora-test-list mailing list fedora-test-list at redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jpearl24 at cox.net Tue Dec 16 22:04:16 2003 From: jpearl24 at cox.net (jason pearl) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 15:04:16 -0700 Subject: nforce 3 drivers? In-Reply-To: <20031216214622.18363.qmail@web80512.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20031216214622.18363.qmail@web80512.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1071612256.9887.10.camel@localhost> nope ... if i go to the NV website theres 64 bit graphics drivers but not 64 bit chipset drivers.. it knows what i have installed theres just not any parameters or something. im not very good with drivers and kernel installation. On Tue, 2003-12-16 at 14:46, marcos colome wrote: > There must be a driver (s) because for the AMD 64 bits, the only > chipset used at the > present time are Nforce 3 and Via 8 and at the present time there are > only four motherboards that have been manufactured and they are: ASUS, > MSI, ABIT and Gigabyte. which support the AMD 64 and the Opteron CPU. > > "Justin M. Forbes" <64bit_fedora at comcast.net> wrote: > > On Tue, Dec 16, 2003 at 01:21:45PM -0700, jason pearl wrote: > > > > anyone know if the nforce 3 drivers are supported yet ? i > have the asus > > sk8n boardand i am having trouble with making an iso... > should i > > download the whole treee and leave it as is then i write the > whole > > thing onto a disk? > > I am not sure what you mean by NForce 3 drivers. AGPgart, IDE > (Not all > SATA chipsets) and most network adapters onboard NF3 systems > are supported, > sound seems to be largely ALSA supported, so would require > additional > packages. For install, see > http://www.linuxtx.org/amd64faq.html > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From jpearl24 at cox.net Tue Dec 16 22:13:07 2003 From: jpearl24 at cox.net (jason pearl) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 15:13:07 -0700 Subject: iso images Message-ID: <1071612787.9887.13.camel@localhost> i would really like to use fc164 but i cant make an iso. i went to the linuxtx.org site but i still cant get the iso to find the fedora cd.. is there anywhere else with the fedora iso around? thanks -- jason pearl GNU Linux -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On Tue, 2003-12-16 at 14:46, marcos colome wrote: There must be a driver (s) because for the AMD 64 bits, the only chipset used at the present time are Nforce 3 and Via 8 and at the present time there are only four motherboards that have been manufactured and they are: ASUS, MSI, ABIT and Gigabyte. which support the AMD 64 and the Opteron CPU. "Justin M. Forbes" <64bit_fedora at comcast.net> wrote: On Tue, Dec 16, 2003 at 01:21:45PM -0700, jason pearl wrote: > > anyone know if the nforce 3 drivers are supported yet ? i have the asus > sk8n boardand i am having trouble with making an iso... should i > download the whole treee and leave it as is then i write the whole > thing onto a disk? I am not sure what you mean by NForce 3 drivers. AGPgart, IDE (Not all SATA chipsets) and most network adapters onboard NF3 systems are supported, sound seems to be largely ALSA supported, so would require additional packages. For install, see http://www.linuxtx.org/amd64faq.html -- fedora-test-list mailing list fedora-test-list at redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > ATTACHMENT part 2 application/pgp-signature name=signature.asc -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jpearl24 at cox.net Tue Dec 16 22:00:46 2003 From: jpearl24 at cox.net (jason pearl) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 15:00:46 -0700 Subject: nforce 3 drivers? In-Reply-To: <20031216213320.59844.qmail@web80507.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20031216213320.59844.qmail@web80507.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1071612046.9887.6.camel@localhost> yes its the nvidia chipset... mandrakes OS cannnot regcognize my net card but it configured everything else... i was trying to make a disc up to install the fedora version but i am having problems making the dvd for it .. I can get through the boot up but then when it asks where the fedora cd is the program cant find the distro on cd... is there a specific directory it looks for? because i have them on the cd as rpms images headers.. not fedora with rpms under that directory On Tue, 2003-12-16 at 14:33, marcos colome wrote: > Probably he means the drivers to the Nforce chipset that has been > installed in most > of the 64 bits motherboards instead of the Via chipsets for the AMD 64 > and Opteron CPU. > > "Justin M. Forbes" <64bit_fedora at comcast.net> wrote: > > On Tue, Dec 16, 2003 at 01:21:45PM -0700, jason pearl wrote: > > > > anyone know if the nforce 3 drivers are supported yet ? i > have the asus > > sk8n boardand i am having trouble with making an iso... > should i > > download the whole treee and leave it as is then i write the > whole > > thing onto a disk? > > I am not sure what you mean by NForce 3 drivers. AGPgart, IDE > (Not all > SATA chipsets) and most network adapters onboard NF3 systems > are supported, > sound seems to be largely ALSA supported, so would require > additional > packages. For install, see > http://www.linuxtx.org/amd64faq.html > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From paul at all-the-johnsons.co.uk Tue Dec 16 22:27:02 2003 From: paul at all-the-johnsons.co.uk (Paul) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 22:27:02 +0000 Subject: iso images In-Reply-To: <1071612787.9887.13.camel@localhost> References: <1071612787.9887.13.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <1071613621.2625.0.camel@T6.linux> Hi, > i would really like to use fc164 but i cant make an iso. i went to the > linuxtx.org site but i still cant get the iso to find the fedora cd.. > is there anywhere else with the fedora iso around? Can you not use bittorrent? TTFN Paul -- One OS to fool them all One browser to find them One email client to bring them all And through security holes, blind them... From mcolome1 at yahoo.com Tue Dec 16 23:12:21 2003 From: mcolome1 at yahoo.com (marcos colome) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 15:12:21 -0800 (PST) Subject: nforce 3 drivers? In-Reply-To: <1071612046.9887.6.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <20031216231221.84889.qmail@web80509.mail.yahoo.com> If you enabled the on board networks cards from 3Com and Nvidia they will not be configurated by Mandrake, Suse or any other Linux distro. You must install a PCI Realtek, older 3Com or Intel 10/100 which will be detected by the OS and then you will be able to download the drivers from ASUS if they have drivers for Linux. Those are very new released Network cards and there are only drivers for MS Windows that come with the Manufacturers CD, sometimes Asus include Linux drivers on its drivers CD jason pearl wrote: yes its the nvidia chipset... mandrakes OS cannnot regcognize my net card but it configured everything else... i was trying to make a disc up to install the fedora version but i am having problems making the dvd for it .. I can get through the boot up but then when it asks where the fedora cd is the program cant find the distro on cd... is there a specific directory it looks for? because i have them on the cd as rpms images headers.. not fedora with rpms under that directory On Tue, 2003-12-16 at 14:33, marcos colome wrote: Probably he means the drivers to the Nforce chipset that has been installed in most of the 64 bits motherboards instead of the Via chipsets for the AMD 64 and Opteron CPU. "Justin M. Forbes" <64bit_fedora at comcast.net> wrote: On Tue, Dec 16, 2003 at 01:21:45PM -0700, jason pearl wrote: > > anyone know if the nforce 3 drivers are supported yet ? i have the asus > sk8n boardand i am having trouble with making an iso... should i > download the whole treee and leave it as is then i write the whole > thing onto a disk? I am not sure what you mean by NForce 3 drivers. AGPgart, IDE (Not all SATA chipsets) and most network adapters onboard NF3 systems are supported, sound seems to be largely ALSA supported, so would require additional packages. For install, see http://www.linuxtx.org/amd64faq.html -- fedora-test-list mailing list fedora-test-list at redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > ATTACHMENT part 2 application/pgp-signature name=signature.asc -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jpearl24 at cox.net Tue Dec 16 23:24:55 2003 From: jpearl24 at cox.net (jason pearl) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 16:24:55 -0700 Subject: iso images In-Reply-To: <1071613621.2625.0.camel@T6.linux> References: <1071612787.9887.13.camel@localhost> <1071613621.2625.0.camel@T6.linux> Message-ID: <1071617095.9891.16.camel@localhost> is there a place with the bit torrent files? On Tue, 2003-12-16 at 15:27, Paul wrote: > Hi, > > > i would really like to use fc164 but i cant make an iso. i went to the > > linuxtx.org site but i still cant get the iso to find the fedora cd.. > > is there anywhere else with the fedora iso around? > > Can you not use bittorrent? > > TTFN > > Paul -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: kvtag.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 19543 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From jpearl24 at cox.net Tue Dec 16 23:29:11 2003 From: jpearl24 at cox.net (jason pearl) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 16:29:11 -0700 Subject: nforce 3 drivers? In-Reply-To: <20031216231221.84889.qmail@web80509.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20031216231221.84889.qmail@web80509.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1071617350.9891.18.camel@localhost> ya i have an old kingston card... ill look on the asus cd thanks On Tue, 2003-12-16 at 16:12, marcos colome wrote: > If you enabled the on board networks cards from 3Com and Nvidia they > will not be configurated by Mandrake, Suse or any other Linux distro. > You must install a PCI Realtek, older 3Com or Intel 10/100 which will > be detected by the OS and then you > will be able to download the drivers from ASUS if they have drivers > for Linux. Those are very new released Network cards and there are > only drivers for MS Windows that come > with the Manufacturers CD, sometimes Asus include Linux drivers on its > drivers CD > > jason pearl wrote: > > yes its the nvidia chipset... mandrakes OS cannnot regcognize > my net card but it configured everything else... i was trying > to make a disc up to install the fedora version but i am > having problems making the dvd for it .. I can get through the > boot up but then when it asks where the fedora cd is the > program cant find the distro on cd... is there a specific > directory it looks for? because i have them on the cd as rpms > images headers.. not fedora with rpms under that directory > > > > > On Tue, 2003-12-16 at 14:33, marcos colome wrote: > > > Probably he means the drivers to the Nforce chipset that has > > been installed in most > > of the 64 bits motherboards instead of the Via chipsets for > > the AMD 64 and Opteron CPU. > > > > "Justin M. Forbes" <64bit_fedora at comcast.net> wrote: > > > > On Tue, Dec 16, 2003 at 01:21:45PM -0700, jason > > pearl wrote: > > > > > > anyone know if the nforce 3 drivers are supported > > yet ? i have the asus > > > sk8n boardand i am having trouble with making an > > iso... should i > > > download the whole treee and leave it as is then i > > write the whole > > > thing onto a disk? > > > > I am not sure what you mean by NForce 3 drivers. > > AGPgart, IDE (Not all > > SATA chipsets) and most network adapters onboard NF3 > > systems are supported, > > sound seems to be largely ALSA supported, so would > > require additional > > packages. For install, see > > http://www.linuxtx.org/amd64faq.html > > > > > > -- > > fedora-test-list mailing list > > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > > ATTACHMENT part 2 application/pgp-signature > name=signature.asc -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Tue Dec 16 23:27:09 2003 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 18:27:09 -0500 Subject: iso images In-Reply-To: <1071617095.9891.16.camel@localhost> References: <1071612787.9887.13.camel@localhost> <1071613621.2625.0.camel@T6.linux> <1071617095.9891.16.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <1071617228.4254.9.camel@binkley> On Tue, 2003-12-16 at 18:24, jason pearl wrote: > is there a place with the bit torrent files? > > > On Tue, 2003-12-16 at 15:27, Paul wrote: > > Hi, > > > > > i would really like to use fc164 but i cant make an iso. i went to the > > > linuxtx.org site but i still cant get the iso to find the fedora cd.. > > > is there anywhere else with the fedora iso around? > > > > Can you not use bittorrent? > > > > TTFN > > > > Paul Hi Jason, Please don't include your sig that includes images in messages to this or any other mailing list. The size of your message was 31K, that's ridiculous. -sv From jpearl24 at cox.net Tue Dec 16 23:39:05 2003 From: jpearl24 at cox.net (jason pearl) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 16:39:05 -0700 Subject: iso images In-Reply-To: <1071617228.4254.9.camel@binkley> References: <1071612787.9887.13.camel@localhost> <1071613621.2625.0.camel@T6.linux> <1071617095.9891.16.camel@localhost> <1071617228.4254.9.camel@binkley> Message-ID: <1071617945.9887.20.camel@localhost> ya i forgot to take it out ... i use cable so it dont affect me On Tue, 2003-12-16 at 16:27, seth vidal wrote: > On Tue, 2003-12-16 at 18:24, jason pearl wrote: > > is there a place with the bit torrent files? > > > > > > On Tue, 2003-12-16 at 15:27, Paul wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > > > > i would really like to use fc164 but i cant make an iso. i went to the > > > > linuxtx.org site but i still cant get the iso to find the fedora cd.. > > > > is there anywhere else with the fedora iso around? > > > > > > Can you not use bittorrent? > > > > > > TTFN > > > > > > Paul > > Hi Jason, > Please don't include your sig that includes images in messages to this > or any other mailing list. > > The size of your message was 31K, that's ridiculous. > > -sv > > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From paul at all-the-johnsons.co.uk Tue Dec 16 23:46:59 2003 From: paul at all-the-johnsons.co.uk (Paul) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 23:46:59 +0000 Subject: iso images In-Reply-To: <1071617095.9891.16.camel@localhost> References: <1071612787.9887.13.camel@localhost> <1071613621.2625.0.camel@T6.linux> <1071617095.9891.16.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <1071618419.2625.10.camel@T6.linux> Hi, > is there a place with the bit torrent files? Christ, that was a big bloomin' sig file! Okay, I'm on cable as well, but it's still a PITA to d/l it! Have a look at the fedora.redhat.com site - there is a link to where to get the bittorrent isos from (and also bittorrent 3.3 itself) Failing that, I'm happy to post out the 3 CDs with the binary version to anyone in the UK. TTFN Paul -- One OS to fool them all One browser to find them One email client to bring them all And through security holes, blind them... From alan at redhat.com Tue Dec 16 23:49:24 2003 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 18:49:24 -0500 Subject: nforce 3 drivers? In-Reply-To: <20031216231221.84889.qmail@web80509.mail.yahoo.com> References: <1071612046.9887.6.camel@localhost> <20031216231221.84889.qmail@web80509.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20031216234924.GA30726@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Tue, Dec 16, 2003 at 03:12:21PM -0800, marcos colome wrote: > If you enabled the on board networks cards from 3Com and Nvidia they will not be configurated by Mandrake, Suse or any other Linux distro. You must install a PCI Realtek, older 3Com or Intel 10/100 which will be detected by the OS and then you > will be able to download the drivers from ASUS if they have drivers for Linux. Those are very new released Network cards and there are only drivers for MS Windows that come 3Com ought to work. Nvidia wont give us docs for their Nvidia ethernet tho From jpearl24 at cox.net Tue Dec 16 23:54:40 2003 From: jpearl24 at cox.net (jason pearl) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 16:54:40 -0700 Subject: iso images In-Reply-To: <1071618419.2625.10.camel@T6.linux> References: <1071612787.9887.13.camel@localhost> <1071613621.2625.0.camel@T6.linux> <1071617095.9891.16.camel@localhost> <1071618419.2625.10.camel@T6.linux> Message-ID: <1071618880.9891.22.camel@localhost> hmmmm and its the 64 bit version??? On Tue, 2003-12-16 at 16:46, Paul wrote: > Hi, > > > is there a place with the bit torrent files? > > Christ, that was a big bloomin' sig file! Okay, I'm on cable as well, > but it's still a PITA to d/l it! > > Have a look at the fedora.redhat.com site - there is a link to where to > get the bittorrent isos from (and also bittorrent 3.3 itself) > > Failing that, I'm happy to post out the 3 CDs with the binary version to > anyone in the UK. > > TTFN > > Paul -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From jdy at cs.brown.edu Tue Dec 16 23:54:56 2003 From: jdy at cs.brown.edu (Joel Young) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 18:54:56 -0500 Subject: iso images In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 16 Dec 2003 16:39:05 MST." <1071617945.9887.20.camel@localhost> References: <1071612787.9887.13.camel@localhost> <1071613621.2625.0.camel@T6.linux> <1071617095.9891.16.camel@localhost> <1071617228.4254.9.camel@binkley> <1071617945.9887.20.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <20031216235456.9630A2F030@null.cs.brown.edu> and turn off the mime/html stuff too... oh yeah and stop top posting :-p Joel -------- From: jason pearl Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 16:39:05 -0700 To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com Subj: Re: iso images --=-X+z3BDPicDGOWwZz8MFY Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=-8UvqZrTXccVntNq37eDF" --=-8UvqZrTXccVntNq37eDF Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ya i forgot to take it out ... i use cable so it dont affect me=20 From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Tue Dec 16 23:56:10 2003 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 18:56:10 -0500 Subject: iso images In-Reply-To: <1071618880.9891.22.camel@localhost> References: <1071612787.9887.13.camel@localhost> <1071613621.2625.0.camel@T6.linux> <1071617095.9891.16.camel@localhost> <1071618419.2625.10.camel@T6.linux> <1071618880.9891.22.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <1071618970.4254.24.camel@binkley> On Tue, 2003-12-16 at 18:54, jason pearl wrote: > hmmmm and its the 64 bit version??? > no, there are currently no available isos for the amd64 test of fc1 -sv From jpearl24 at cox.net Tue Dec 16 23:59:47 2003 From: jpearl24 at cox.net (jason pearl) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 16:59:47 -0700 Subject: iso images In-Reply-To: <20031216235456.9630A2F030@null.cs.brown.edu> References: <1071612787.9887.13.camel@localhost> <1071613621.2625.0.camel@T6.linux> <1071617095.9891.16.camel@localhost> <1071617228.4254.9.camel@binkley> <1071617945.9887.20.camel@localhost> <20031216235456.9630A2F030@null.cs.brown.edu> Message-ID: <1071619186.9891.24.camel@localhost> what is top posting??? On Tue, 2003-12-16 at 16:54, Joel Young wrote: > and turn off the mime/html stuff too... > > oh yeah and stop top posting :-p > > Joel > -------- > From: jason pearl > Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 16:39:05 -0700 > To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com > Subj: Re: iso images > > > --=-X+z3BDPicDGOWwZz8MFY > Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=-8UvqZrTXccVntNq37eDF" > > > --=-8UvqZrTXccVntNq37eDF > Content-Type: text/plain > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > ya i forgot to take it out ... i use cable so it dont affect me=20 > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list -- jason pearl GNU Linux -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Tue Dec 16 23:57:37 2003 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 18:57:37 -0500 Subject: iso images In-Reply-To: <1071619186.9891.24.camel@localhost> References: <1071612787.9887.13.camel@localhost> <1071613621.2625.0.camel@T6.linux> <1071617095.9891.16.camel@localhost> <1071617228.4254.9.camel@binkley> <1071617945.9887.20.camel@localhost> <20031216235456.9630A2F030@null.cs.brown.edu> <1071619186.9891.24.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <1071619057.4254.26.camel@binkley> On Tue, 2003-12-16 at 18:59, jason pearl wrote: > what is top posting??? > > when you post your response above the message you're responding to. It's hard to follow a thread of thought if you post in that way. -sv From redhat-jc at insight.rr.com Wed Dec 17 00:01:08 2003 From: redhat-jc at insight.rr.com (Jim Cornette) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 19:01:08 -0500 Subject: New test kernel. In-Reply-To: <1071601176.6204.2.camel@delerium.codemonkey.org.uk> References: <20031212141645.GT1471@redhat.com> <1071601176.6204.2.camel@delerium.codemonkey.org.uk> Message-ID: <3FDF9CC4.2070302@insight.rr.com> I think that acpi and usb are working decent. Jim ------------------------- Temperature related cooling mode: active state: ok temperature: 41 C critical (S5): 100 C passive: 97 C: tc1=4 tc2=3 tsp=40 devices=0xcf6b6d80 part of dmesg: ACPI: AC Adapter [ACAD] (on-line) ACPI: Battery Slot [BAT1] (battery present) ACPI: Power Button (FF) [PWRF] ACPI: Lid Switch [LID] ACPI: Processor [CPU0] (supports C1 C2) ACPI: Thermal Zone [THRM] (63 C) usb.c: registered new driver usbdevfs usb.c: registered new driver hub usb-ohci.c: USB OHCI at membase 0xd0070000, IRQ 9 usb-ohci.c: usb-00:02.0, ALi Corporation USB 1.1 Controller usb.c: new USB bus registered, assigned bus number 1 hub.c: USB hub found hub.c: 4 ports detected usb.c: registered new driver hiddev usb.c: registered new driver hid From paul at all-the-johnsons.co.uk Wed Dec 17 00:01:21 2003 From: paul at all-the-johnsons.co.uk (Paul) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 00:01:21 +0000 Subject: iso images In-Reply-To: <1071618880.9891.22.camel@localhost> References: <1071612787.9887.13.camel@localhost> <1071613621.2625.0.camel@T6.linux> <1071617095.9891.16.camel@localhost> <1071618419.2625.10.camel@T6.linux> <1071618880.9891.22.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <1071619281.2627.12.camel@T6.linux> Hi, > hmmmm and its the 64 bit version??? You never mentioned it was 64 bit version! (well, not that I've seen) TTFN Paul -- One OS to fool them all One browser to find them One email client to bring them all And through security holes, blind them... From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Wed Dec 17 00:03:34 2003 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 19:03:34 -0500 Subject: iso images In-Reply-To: <1071619281.2627.12.camel@T6.linux> References: <1071612787.9887.13.camel@localhost> <1071613621.2625.0.camel@T6.linux> <1071617095.9891.16.camel@localhost> <1071618419.2625.10.camel@T6.linux> <1071618880.9891.22.camel@localhost> <1071619281.2627.12.camel@T6.linux> Message-ID: <1071619414.4254.28.camel@binkley> On Tue, 2003-12-16 at 19:01, Paul wrote: > Hi, > > > hmmmm and its the 64 bit version??? > > You never mentioned it was 64 bit version! > > (well, not that I've seen) yes he did, in the beginning. -sv From jpearl24 at cox.net Wed Dec 17 00:07:45 2003 From: jpearl24 at cox.net (jason pearl) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 17:07:45 -0700 Subject: iso images In-Reply-To: <1071619281.2627.12.camel@T6.linux> References: <1071612787.9887.13.camel@localhost> <1071613621.2625.0.camel@T6.linux> <1071617095.9891.16.camel@localhost> <1071618419.2625.10.camel@T6.linux> <1071618880.9891.22.camel@localhost> <1071619281.2627.12.camel@T6.linux> Message-ID: <1071619665.9891.26.camel@localhost> On Tue, 2003-12-16 at 17:01, Paul wrote: > Hi, > > > hmmmm and its the 64 bit version??? > > You never mentioned it was 64 bit version! > > (well, not that I've seen) > > TTFN > > Paul lol sorry ya 64 bit .... i was having trouble making the dvd and getting it to work... -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From 64bit_fedora at comcast.net Wed Dec 17 05:15:07 2003 From: 64bit_fedora at comcast.net (Justin M. Forbes) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 23:15:07 -0600 Subject: nforce 3 drivers? In-Reply-To: <1071612256.9887.10.camel@localhost> References: <20031216214622.18363.qmail@web80512.mail.yahoo.com> <1071612256.9887.10.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <20031217051507.GA31383@comcast.net> On Tue, Dec 16, 2003 at 03:04:16PM -0700, jason pearl wrote: > nope ... if i go to the NV website theres 64 bit graphics drivers but > not 64 bit chipset drivers.. > it knows what i have installed theres just not any parameters or > something. im not very good with drivers and kernel installation. > The reason those drivers do not exist, and are not likely to on the nVidia website is because nVidia had some serious stability problems with NForce 3 initially. As a result, currently shipping motherboards do not use NF3 SATA, network, or sound. These are implemented with additional chips. When nVidia does release their 64bit NForce 3 drivers, they will not work on existing boards most likely, as it is not nVidia hardware being used. Some distro's do have issue with NF3 drivers for UDMA 133, these are in the current Fedora Core 1 kernel. For network, most NF3 boards are using either Realtek (r8169 driver works well with these) or 3com (sk98 driver, must be downloaded). I am sure there area couple of others out there, but those two are the most common. Justin From jpearl24 at cox.net Wed Dec 17 05:41:23 2003 From: jpearl24 at cox.net (jason pearl) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 22:41:23 -0700 Subject: nforce 3 drivers? In-Reply-To: <20031217051507.GA31383@comcast.net> References: <20031216214622.18363.qmail@web80512.mail.yahoo.com> <1071612256.9887.10.camel@localhost> <20031217051507.GA31383@comcast.net> Message-ID: <1071639682.10599.1.camel@localhost> On Tue, 2003-12-16 at 22:15, Justin M. Forbes wrote: > On Tue, Dec 16, 2003 at 03:04:16PM -0700, jason pearl wrote: > > nope ... if i go to the NV website theres 64 bit graphics drivers but > > not 64 bit chipset drivers.. > > it knows what i have installed theres just not any parameters or > > something. im not very good with drivers and kernel installation. > > > The reason those drivers do not exist, and are not likely to on the nVidia > website is because nVidia had some serious stability problems with NForce 3 > initially. As a result, currently shipping motherboards do not use NF3 > SATA, network, or sound. These are implemented with additional chips. > When nVidia does release their 64bit NForce 3 drivers, they will not work > on existing boards most likely, as it is not nVidia hardware being used. > Some distro's do have issue with NF3 drivers for UDMA 133, these are in the > current Fedora Core 1 kernel. > > For network, most NF3 boards are using either Realtek (r8169 driver works > well with these) or 3com (sk98 driver, must be downloaded). I am sure there > area couple of others out there, but those two are the most common. > > Justin > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list thanks for the info yes they are realtek but the ones in the distro dont work so i put an older realtek card in and that works now i cant get flash installed because of lib problems -- jason pearl GNU Linux -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From grant at tuins.ac.jp Wed Dec 17 06:59:09 2003 From: grant at tuins.ac.jp (rg) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 15:59:09 +0900 Subject: iso images In-Reply-To: <1071619186.9891.24.camel@localhost> References: <1071612787.9887.13.camel@localhost> <1071613621.2625.0.camel@T6.linux> <1071617095.9891.16.camel@localhost> <1071617228.4254.9.camel@binkley> <1071617945.9887.20.camel@localhost> <20031216235456.9630A2F030@null.cs.brown.edu> <1071619186.9891.24.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <3FDFFEBD.6050407@tuins.ac.jp> jason pearl wrote: >what is top posting??? > It's an a-rententive obsession on Fedora/Red Hat lists that some people get just too worked up over. Anyway, it means responding to a message at the top, rather than below. In the real world, replying on top is done as a courtesy to make it easy to read new information - so as not to force the reader to go searching through a mile of much to find what you have to say. In theory, bottom posting on a list is supposed to make it easy to deal with threads - you know, so it becomes easier to deal with a string of messages. It is a valid point, though some people seem to get abnormally worked up about. Happy bottom posting. ralston From paul at all-the-johnsons.co.uk Wed Dec 17 09:31:25 2003 From: paul at all-the-johnsons.co.uk (PFJ) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 09:31:25 +0000 Subject: iso images In-Reply-To: <3FDFFEBD.6050407@tuins.ac.jp> References: <1071612787.9887.13.camel@localhost> <1071613621.2625.0.camel@T6.linux> <1071617095.9891.16.camel@localhost> <1071617228.4254.9.camel@binkley> <1071617945.9887.20.camel@localhost> <20031216235456.9630A2F030@null.cs.brown.edu> <1071619186.9891.24.camel@localhost> <3FDFFEBD.6050407@tuins.ac.jp> Message-ID: <1071653485.7124.19.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hi, > >what is top posting??? > > > It's an a-rententive obsession on Fedora/Red Hat lists that some people > get just too worked up over. Nope. It's not a case of that, it's a case of following the RFCs and also how people conduct conversations. When was the last time you called a friend and gave them an answer to a question they ask after you're finished. > Anyway, it means responding to a message at > the top, rather than below. In the real world, replying on top is done > as a courtesy to make it easy to read new information - so as not to > force the reader to go searching through a mile of much to find what you > have to say. What rot! You go to *any* technical usenet group (excluding MS specific ones) and top post - you'll be shot down in flames! Why is simple. Say you ask a number of questions and someone top posts answers, it is never clear what they're answering to (even if they include the entire previous 8 postings as they've not discovered the ctrl-x combination yet) and so the number of mistakes and misconceptions which occur leap up. The biggest misconception is that it saves time. Sure, if the example is simple enough (how are you?) then it's not that bad. However, in the above example, the reader (who may not be as knowledgeable as the sender) will have to work through not only the answer, but try to marry it up to the points raised. That takes a hell of a lot of time in some cases. > In theory, bottom posting on a list is supposed to make it easy to deal > with threads - you know, so it becomes easier to deal with a string of > messages. It is. Posting in context (rather than straight bottom posting) makes things even easier still. > It is a valid point, though some people seem to get abnormally > worked up about. Happy bottom posting. Contextual posting is better :-) TTFN Paul -- Free your mind to a time where a company does not have control Free your mind to a choice of applications which you can control Free your mind from the closed world of those who seek total power Free your mind to the wonderful world of free software -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Cheers, Phil --------------------------------------------- Phil Randal Network Engineer Herefordshire Council Hereford, UK From operalover_99 at yahoo.com Wed Dec 17 12:51:07 2003 From: operalover_99 at yahoo.com (Michael Smith) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 04:51:07 -0800 (PST) Subject: iso images In-Reply-To: <1071653485.7124.19.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20031217125107.60199.qmail@web11008.mail.yahoo.com> --- PFJ wrote: > > What rot! You go to *any* technical usenet group > (excluding MS specific > ones) and top post - you'll be shot down in flames! > Actually, there are other technical groups that top-post, the NIH-ImageJ group for one. In fact, I'd never even heard of the -posting controversy before joining this group. Mike Smith __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ From jspaleta at princeton.edu Wed Dec 17 16:03:38 2003 From: jspaleta at princeton.edu (Jef Spaleta) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 11:03:38 -0500 Subject: Bugday 10: Help test the XFree86 vesa driver. Message-ID: <1071677017.16842.21.camel@goober.localdomain> Mike Harris has asked for testing of the Vesa video driver, which could be used for a "safe mode" in Fedora. The problem is that many BIOS's Vesa modes are broken, so he needs a good blacklist of broken situations with the Vesa driver You can find example instructions on how to go through a Vesa driver test for your video hardware here: http://www.fedora.us/wiki/VesaDriverTesting Please read through the testing example completely before starting your test, paying extra attention to the instructions for searching for and filing bug reports for this test procedure. And please be aware that vesa driver testing is focusing on low level X operation and not on application level issues. The testing is specifically to test: 1) video driver/X server stability 2) Screen corruption/splitting/misalignment/similar 3) mouse pointer corruption/misalignment If there is no X server crash, no screen corruption/misalignment, no mouse problems, then the vesa driver is working and you don't need to file a bug report as part of this test procedure. -jef -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From alessandro.torrisi at eurone.it Wed Dec 17 19:54:40 2003 From: alessandro.torrisi at eurone.it (Alessandro Torrisi) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 20:54:40 +0100 Subject: AMD x86_64 Message-ID: <005f01c3c4d7$9be5fea0$4a1e5e01@AMD64> How can I install Fedore Core for AMD x86_64 ? Is it compatible with AMD 64-bit Mobile ? 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Installation information can be found at http://www.linuxtx.org/amd64faq.html Justin From notting at redhat.com Thu Dec 18 17:01:26 2003 From: notting at redhat.com (Bill Nottingham) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 12:01:26 -0500 Subject: Fedora Core 1 Testing Update: gnome-libs-1.4.1.2.90-36 Message-ID: <20031218170126.GA22849@devserv.devel.redhat.com> --------------------------------------------------------------------- Fedora Test Update Notification FEDORA-2003-042 2003-12-18 --------------------------------------------------------------------- Name : gnome-libs Version : 1.4.1.2.90 Release : 36 Summary : The main GNOME libraries. Description : GNOME (GNU Network Object Model Environment) is a user-friendly set of GUI applications and desktop tools to be used in conjunction with a window manager for the X Window System. The gnome-libs package includes libraries that are needed to run GNOME. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Update Information: This package fixes some library dependencies when built on x86-64. --------------------------------------------------------------------- * Tue Dec 02 2003 Bill Nottingham 1:1.4.1.2.90-36 - fix db linking on x86_64 --------------------------------------------------------------------- This update can be downloaded from: http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/updates/testing/1/ f567c9f859d9b12edc82259834fb776f SRPMS/gnome-libs-1.4.1.2.90-36.src.rpm 29cb5665ae8d90fec910bf1c59f011e5 i386/gnome-libs-1.4.1.2.90-36.i386.rpm cf847b20ef956aec0479b0dda21863fe i386/gnome-libs-devel-1.4.1.2.90-36.i386.rpm 3d9bcf354da6a0704c1936da321d92f7 i386/debug/gnome-libs-debuginfo-1.4.1.2.90-36.i386.rpm This update can also be installed with the Update Agent; you can launch the Update Agent with the 'up2date' command. --------------------------------------------------------------------- From ercole at panix.com Thu Dec 18 20:45:14 2003 From: ercole at panix.com (j. ercole) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 15:45:14 -0500 Subject: iso images In-Reply-To: <1071619186.9891.24.camel@localhost> References: <1071612787.9887.13.camel@localhost> <1071613621.2625.0.camel@T6.linux> <1071617095.9891.16.camel@localhost> <1071617228.4254.9.camel@binkley> <1071617945.9887.20.camel@localhost> <20031216235456.9630A2F030@null.cs.brown.edu> <1071619186.9891.24.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <20031218204514.GB16072@panix.com> Thus spake jason pearl (jpearl24 at cox.net): > On Tue, 2003-12-16 at 16:54, Joel Young wrote: > > and turn off the mime/html stuff too... > > > > oh yeah and stop top posting :-p > > While we're at it, `gpg --keyserver certserver.pgp.com --send-key jpearl24 at cox.net` I'll stop now. j. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I don't seem to have any earlier pango rpms around at the moment to replace them with so will go hunting... -- Discouragement is a dissatisfaction with the past, a distaste for the present, and a distrust of the future - Maree De Jong, CLCA. From mark at talios.com Thu Dec 18 21:26:40 2003 From: mark at talios.com (Mark Derricutt) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 10:26:40 +1300 Subject: Pango gone bango... References: Message-ID: On Fri, 19 Dec 2003 09:32:48 +1300, Mark Derricutt wrote: > Anyone got a fix for this at all? I don't seem to have any earlier pango > rpms around at the moment to replace them with so will go hunting... Never mind, some guys in #fedora pointed me to the bugzilla entry for this with a workaround fix. Thanks guys. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=112387 From otaylor at redhat.com Thu Dec 18 22:59:00 2003 From: otaylor at redhat.com (Owen Taylor) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 17:59:00 -0500 Subject: Fedora Core 1 Testing Update: pango-1.2.5-4 Message-ID: <1071788340.12485.70.camel@poincare.devel.redhat.com> --------------------------------------------------------------------- Fedora Update Notification FEDORA-2003-041 2003-12-18 --------------------------------------------------------------------- Name : pango Version : 1.2.5 Release : 4 Summary : System for layout and rendering of internationalized text. Description : Pango is a system for layout and rendering of internationalized text. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Update Information: This update provides separate pango.modules files per architecture on dual 32/64-bit platforms like the x86_64/i386 combination. --------------------------------------------------------------------- * Thu Dec 18 2003 Owen Taylor 1.2.5-4 - Deal with autoconf changing -linux to -linux-gnu (#112387) * Mon Dec 08 2003 Owen Taylor 1.2.5-3.0 - Package pango-querymodules as pango-querymodules-{32,64}; look for pango.modules in an architecture-specific directory. (Fixes #111511, Justin M. Forbes) * Mon Sep 08 2003 Owen Taylor 1.2.5-2.0 - Fix problem with corrupt Thai shaper --------------------------------------------------------------------- This update can be downloaded from: http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/updates/1/ 168beab64cd5a2c29cbb983b9c18623b SRPMS/pango-1.2.5-4.src.rpm a549c108699750f8ee0eff9740879763 i386/pango-1.2.5-4.i386.rpm ab64254a831b9407c8b2561517096f7b i386/pango-devel-1.2.5-4.i386.rpm fc50b72c0a8361f853375989f01896da i386/debug/pango-debuginfo-1.2.5-4.i386.rpm This update can also be installed with the Update Agent; you can launch the Update Agent with the 'up2date' command. --------------------------------------------------------------------- From otaylor at redhat.com Thu Dec 18 23:00:47 2003 From: otaylor at redhat.com (Owen Taylor) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 18:00:47 -0500 Subject: Fedora Core 1 Testing Update: pango-1.2.5-4 In-Reply-To: <1071788340.12485.70.camel@poincare.devel.redhat.com> References: <1071788340.12485.70.camel@poincare.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1071788447.12485.73.camel@poincare.devel.redhat.com> On Thu, 2003-12-18 at 17:59, Owen Taylor wrote: > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > Fedora Update Notification ^ Test [...] > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > This update can be downloaded from: > http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/updates/1/ http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/updates/testing/1/ From jpearl24 at cox.net Thu Dec 18 23:33:25 2003 From: jpearl24 at cox.net (jason pearl) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 16:33:25 -0700 Subject: iso images In-Reply-To: <20031218204514.GB16072@panix.com> References: <1071612787.9887.13.camel@localhost> <1071613621.2625.0.camel@T6.linux> <1071617095.9891.16.camel@localhost> <1071617228.4254.9.camel@binkley> <1071617945.9887.20.camel@localhost> <20031216235456.9630A2F030@null.cs.brown.edu> <1071619186.9891.24.camel@localhost> <20031218204514.GB16072@panix.com> Message-ID: <1071790405.2971.0.camel@localhost> On Thu, 2003-12-18 at 13:45, j. ercole wrote: > Thus spake jason pearl (jpearl24 at cox.net): > > > On Tue, 2003-12-16 at 16:54, Joel Young wrote: > > > and turn off the mime/html stuff too... > > > > > > oh yeah and stop top posting :-p > > > > > While we're at it, > `gpg --keyserver certserver.pgp.com --send-key jpearl24 at cox.net` > > I'll stop now. > > j. mines at keyserver.net cant find yours either.... gpg: armor header: Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) gpg: Signature made Thu 18 Dec 2003 01:45:14 PM MST using DSA key ID D8FBA309 gpg: Can't check signature: public key not found -- jason pearl ++++++++++++++++++ "Keep your friends close and your enemies closer"-Tupac ++++++++++++++++++ Kurrupted Visionz Phx, AZ registered linux user #307811 MDK 9.2 Linux http://counter.li.org AMD64 Opteron 1.6 ASUS SK8N -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From parrishmyers at yahoo.com Fri Dec 19 13:32:24 2003 From: parrishmyers at yahoo.com (Parrish M Myers) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 05:32:24 -0800 (PST) Subject: autofs Message-ID: <20031219133224.61907.qmail@web13806.mail.yahoo.com> Hello, With the release of autofs v4, has anyone in the fedora group considered adding it to the package list. ftp://ftp.kernel.org/pub/linux/daemons/autofs/v4 It helps out greatly when in an NFS/NIS environment when home directories are automounted. As far as I can tell the 3.x version in the distribution right now won't/can't do this. Thanks, Parrish ===== ----------------------------------------------------------- Academia is a little like child | Parrish M. Myers rearing, it provides a chance at | The Wacked Jester immortality without the stretch | parrishmyers at yahoo.com marks -- (unknown source) | ----------------------------------------------------------- __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ From ted at cypress.com Fri Dec 19 14:45:28 2003 From: ted at cypress.com (Thomas Dodd) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 08:45:28 -0600 Subject: autofs In-Reply-To: <20031219133224.61907.qmail@web13806.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20031219133224.61907.qmail@web13806.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3FE30F08.3080801@cypress.com> Parrish M Myers wrote: > Hello, > > With the release of autofs v4, has anyone in the fedora group > considered adding it to the package list. > > ftp://ftp.kernel.org/pub/linux/daemons/autofs/v4 > > It helps out greatly when in an NFS/NIS environment when home > directories are automounted. As far as I can tell the 3.x version in > the distribution right now won't/can't do this. I've used it for quite a long time. Never had any problems with it. Never understood why Red Hat didn't use the autofs4 driver. -Thomas From tom.georgoulias at motorola.com Fri Dec 19 14:58:56 2003 From: tom.georgoulias at motorola.com (Tom Georgoulias) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 08:58:56 -0600 Subject: autofs In-Reply-To: <3FE30F08.3080801@cypress.com> References: <20031219133224.61907.qmail@web13806.mail.yahoo.com> <3FE30F08.3080801@cypress.com> Message-ID: <3FE31230.9050806@motorola.com> Thomas Dodd wrote: > I've used it for quite a long time. Never had any problems with it. > Never understood why Red Hat didn't use the autofs4 driver. Me neither. The only way I could get Red Hat boxes to deal with hierarchical mount points on my mostly Solaris network was to rely on autofs v4. Seems logical to me that if Red Hat wants to continue expanding at the expense of Solaris, they need to incorporate autofs 4 and fix any bugs we haven't seen yet. Tom -- Tom Georgoulias POPI Classification [x] General Business Information [] Motorola Internal Use [] Motorola Confidential Proprietary From mikko at ipi.fi Fri Dec 19 16:05:33 2003 From: mikko at ipi.fi (Mikko Paananen) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 18:05:33 +0200 Subject: autofs In-Reply-To: <20031219133224.61907.qmail@web13806.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20031219133224.61907.qmail@web13806.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1071849933.6149.4.camel@death.local> pe, 2003-12-19 kello 15:32, Parrish M Myers kirjoitti: > It helps out greatly when in an NFS/NIS environment when home > directories are automounted. As far as I can tell the 3.x version in > the distribution right now won't/can't do this. I'm running such environment. BTW, you'll run into annoying gdm bug if you put home directories under autofs: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=106175 From Axel.Thimm at physik.fu-berlin.de Fri Dec 19 16:27:55 2003 From: Axel.Thimm at physik.fu-berlin.de (Axel Thimm) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 17:27:55 +0100 Subject: autofs In-Reply-To: <20031219133224.61907.qmail@web13806.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20031219133224.61907.qmail@web13806.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20031219162755.GA11861@neu.nirvana> On Fri, Dec 19, 2003 at 05:32:24AM -0800, Parrish M Myers wrote: > With the release of autofs v4, has anyone in the fedora group > considered adding it to the package list. > > ftp://ftp.kernel.org/pub/linux/daemons/autofs/v4 > > It helps out greatly when in an NFS/NIS environment when home > directories are automounted. As far as I can tell the 3.x version in > the distribution right now won't/can't do this. autifs userland tools and autfs4 kernel modules for RH7.3/8.0/9/FC1 and the corresponding ATrpms kernels can be found at http://atrpms.physik.fu-berlin.de/name/autofs/ (still marked as bleeding, but works very well here) -- Axel.Thimm at physik.fu-berlin.de -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From ted at cypress.com Fri Dec 19 17:37:04 2003 From: ted at cypress.com (Thomas Dodd) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 11:37:04 -0600 Subject: autofs In-Reply-To: <1071849933.6149.4.camel@death.local> References: <20031219133224.61907.qmail@web13806.mail.yahoo.com> <1071849933.6149.4.camel@death.local> Message-ID: <3FE33740.60300@cypress.com> Mikko Paananen wrote: > pe, 2003-12-19 kello 15:32, Parrish M Myers kirjoitti: > > >>It helps out greatly when in an NFS/NIS environment when home >>directories are automounted. As far as I can tell the 3.x version in >>the distribution right now won't/can't do this. > > > I'm running such environment. > > BTW, you'll run into annoying gdm bug if you put home directories under > autofs: > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=106175 That's new. can you trace things and find more of what happens? I think GDM has some tracing options. Also try saving more of the syslog, the default Red Hat settings ignore a lot of messages. I'm guessing some file/directory is tested in a way that doesn't trigger the mount, or times out too soon. Since it used to work, you might check/report it upstream to the gnome/gdm team. They may at least help the debug. -Thomas From lamont at gurulabs.com Fri Dec 19 18:29:28 2003 From: lamont at gurulabs.com (Lamont R. Peterson) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 11:29:28 -0700 Subject: autofs In-Reply-To: <20031219133224.61907.qmail@web13806.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20031219133224.61907.qmail@web13806.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1071858567.3023.22.camel@wraith.advansoft.net> On Fri, 2003-12-19 at 06:32, Parrish M Myers wrote: > With the release of autofs v4, has anyone in the fedora group > considered adding it to the package list. > > ftp://ftp.kernel.org/pub/linux/daemons/autofs/v4 Agreed. I would like to see autofs v4 in FC. > It helps out greatly when in an NFS/NIS environment when home > directories are automounted. As far as I can tell the 3.x version in > the distribution right now won't/can't do this. I have done the autofs-for-home-directories thing without any problems (other than fat fingering a config file :-) with autofs v3. We use RHL9, RHEL3, FC1, SuSE, Solaris and Aurora without any difficulties. There have been other distributions and Unix variants in there before, as well. I am curious to know what documentation (or whatever) indicates to you that autofs v3 can not mount home directories? -- Lamont Peterson Senior Instructor Guru Labs -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Current user tools you will find out, for example, at ftp://ftp.us.kernel.org/linux/daemons/autofs/v4/ ^^ replace with your country code and 'rpmbuild --rebuild autofs-4.1.0-2.src.rpm' will do the job likely without any fuss. For sure it does on FC1. Michal From kaboom at gatech.edu Fri Dec 19 20:20:21 2003 From: kaboom at gatech.edu (Chris Ricker) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 15:20:21 -0500 (EST) Subject: autofs In-Reply-To: <1071849933.6149.4.camel@death.local> References: <20031219133224.61907.qmail@web13806.mail.yahoo.com> <1071849933.6149.4.camel@death.local> Message-ID: On Fri, 19 Dec 2003, Mikko Paananen wrote: > pe, 2003-12-19 kello 15:32, Parrish M Myers kirjoitti: > > > It helps out greatly when in an NFS/NIS environment when home > > directories are automounted. As far as I can tell the 3.x version in > > the distribution right now won't/can't do this. > > I'm running such environment. > > BTW, you'll run into annoying gdm bug if you put home directories under > autofs: > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=106175 FWIW, I don't have that problem with gdm / automount home.... later, chris From parrishmyers at yahoo.com Fri Dec 19 21:17:16 2003 From: parrishmyers at yahoo.com (Parrish M Myers) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 13:17:16 -0800 (PST) Subject: autofs In-Reply-To: <1071858567.3023.22.camel@wraith.advansoft.net> Message-ID: <20031219211716.30970.qmail@web13804.mail.yahoo.com> I'm not sure I can remember all of the details, but... I work in an SGI environment at work. The way the sys admins set up the system, autofs was utilized the '-host' special map with the '/hosts' dir. This map apparently allowed the autofsd daemon to dynamically mount all entrys in the server's list of exported filesystems. And many services were set up to look in this directory tree. From the autofs hacking page located at: http://www.goop.org/~jeremy/autofs/ It seems version 4 was modified to handle this interaction and included another config file 'autofs.net' to handle the request. As much as I tried, I could never get v3 to do this. --- "Lamont R. Peterson" wrote: > On Fri, 2003-12-19 at 06:32, Parrish M Myers wrote: > > With the release of autofs v4, has anyone in the fedora group > > considered adding it to the package list. > > > > ftp://ftp.kernel.org/pub/linux/daemons/autofs/v4 > > Agreed. I would like to see autofs v4 in FC. > > > It helps out greatly when in an NFS/NIS environment when home > > directories are automounted. As far as I can tell the 3.x version > in > > the distribution right now won't/can't do this. > > I have done the autofs-for-home-directories thing without any > problems > (other than fat fingering a config file :-) with autofs v3. We use > RHL9, RHEL3, FC1, SuSE, Solaris and Aurora without any difficulties. > There have been other distributions and Unix variants in there > before, > as well. > > I am curious to know what documentation (or whatever) indicates to > you > that autofs v3 can not mount home directories? > -- > Lamont Peterson > Senior Instructor > Guru Labs > > ATTACHMENT part 2 application/pgp-signature name=signature.asc ===== ----------------------------------------------------------- Academia is a little like child | Parrish M. Myers rearing, it provides a chance at | The Wacked Jester immortality without the stretch | parrishmyers at yahoo.com marks -- (unknown source) | ----------------------------------------------------------- __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ From ted at cypress.com Fri Dec 19 23:47:29 2003 From: ted at cypress.com (Thomas Dodd) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 17:47:29 -0600 Subject: autofs In-Reply-To: <1071858567.3023.22.camel@wraith.advansoft.net> References: <20031219133224.61907.qmail@web13806.mail.yahoo.com> <1071858567.3023.22.camel@wraith.advansoft.net> Message-ID: <3FE38E11.3080608@cypress.com> Lamont R. Peterson wrote: > On Fri, 2003-12-19 at 06:32, Parrish M Myers wrote: >>It helps out greatly when in an NFS/NIS environment when home >>directories are automounted. As far as I can tell the 3.x version in >>the distribution right now won't/can't do this. > > > I have done the autofs-for-home-directories thing without any problems > (other than fat fingering a config file :-) with autofs v3. We use > RHL9, RHEL3, FC1, SuSE, Solaris and Aurora without any difficulties. > There have been other distributions and Unix variants in there before, > as well. > > I am curious to know what documentation (or whatever) indicates to you > that autofs v3 can not mount home directories? It's direct mounts. Solaris (and others) support it. So NIS has the full path, like /home/$USER machine:/some/directory Also used a lot for a /net, where every machine and all it's exports are automatically available. -Thomas From michalz at olomouc.com Sat Dec 20 10:27:46 2003 From: michalz at olomouc.com (Michal Zeravik) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 11:27:46 +0100 Subject: autofs In-Reply-To: <20031219211716.30970.qmail@web13804.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20031219211716.30970.qmail@web13804.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3FE42422.3000304@olomouc.com> well, but what can I do if I have custom kernel. Rebuild from src is buggy: error: line 1: Unknown tag: %kernelmodule autofs4 michalz From ckloiber at redhat.com Sat Dec 20 15:18:21 2003 From: ckloiber at redhat.com (Chris Kloiber) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 10:18:21 -0500 Subject: AMD x86_64 In-Reply-To: <20031217214111.GA13858@comcast.net> References: <005f01c3c4d7$9be5fea0$4a1e5e01@AMD64> <20031217214111.GA13858@comcast.net> Message-ID: <1071933501.3971.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2003-12-17 at 16:41, Justin M. Forbes wrote: > On Wed, Dec 17, 2003 at 08:54:40PM +0100, Alessandro Torrisi wrote: > > How can I install Fedore Core for AMD x86_64 ? > > Is it compatible with AMD 64-bit Mobile ? > > > > It should work with Athlon64 mobile, but I dont know of anyone who has > tested it with such, I dont have an AMD64 laptop myself. Installation > information can be found at http://www.linuxtx.org/amd64faq.html > > Justin Amd64 laptops... I know of the m:855 at http://www.voodoopc.com Are there any others yet? -- Chris Kloiber Red Hat, Inc. From maxer1 at xmission.com Sat Dec 20 22:30:13 2003 From: maxer1 at xmission.com (raxet) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 15:30:13 -0700 Subject: kernel-2.6.0-0.1.14.i686 and... Message-ID: <001001c3c748$d6006a30$0200000a@frank> What in the world is the issue with every single test 2.6.0 kernel having issues with: > FATAL: keybdev not found. > FATAL: mousedev not found. Could someone please explain why they appear when the mouse and keyboard Are properly detected and everything is working just fine. I've tried editing the modprobe.conf.dist and modprobe.conf to no avail. I saw the earlier message that it doesn't matter, but still shouldn't there be a way to get rid of the annoying kernel boot messages? Also in this 2.6.0-0.1.14 there seems to be a very significant delay in the load of modules. Thanks, RaXeT -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I?ve tried > editing > > the modprobe.conf.dist and modprobe.conf to no avail. > > > > I saw the earlier message that it doesn?t matter, but still shouldn?t > there > > be a way to get rid of the annoying kernel boot messages? > > > > Also in this 2.6.0-0.1.14 there seems to be a very significant delay > in the load > > of modules. > > > > Thanks, > > > > RaXeT are you using a usb keyboard and mouse??? try ps2 -- jason pearl ++++++++++++++++++ "Keep your friends close and your enemies closer"-Tupac ++++++++++++++++++ Kurrupted Visionz Phx, AZ registered linux user #307811 MDK 9.2 Linux http://counter.li.org AMD64 Opteron 1.6 ASUS SK8N -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Don't worry about it. ~spot --- Tom "spot" Callaway LCA, RHCE Red Hat Sales Engineer || Aurora SPARC Linux Project Leader "The author's mathematical treatment of the conception of purpose is novel and highly ingenious, but heretical and, so far as the present social order is concerned, dangerous and potentially subversive. Not to be published." -- Aldous Huxley's "Brave New World" From 64bit_fedora at comcast.net Sat Dec 20 23:45:14 2003 From: 64bit_fedora at comcast.net (Justin M. Forbes) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 17:45:14 -0600 Subject: AMD x86_64 In-Reply-To: <1071933501.3971.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <005f01c3c4d7$9be5fea0$4a1e5e01@AMD64> <20031217214111.GA13858@comcast.net> <1071933501.3971.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20031220234514.GA14960@comcast.net> On Sat, Dec 20, 2003 at 10:18:21AM -0500, Chris Kloiber wrote: > > Amd64 laptops... I know of the m:855 at http://www.voodoopc.com > Are there any others yet? > Yes, and some are much cheaper: http://www.hyperdatadirect.com/autoquote/laptop/8350quote.cfm http://secure.hypersonic-pc.com/scripts/custom_sys.asp?sysid=Aviator_AX6 http://www.michaelscomputers.com/MX51Notebooks3a.htm http://www.americancomputech.com/pricelist.asp?cid=3424 Justin From maxer1 at xmission.com Sat Dec 20 23:50:55 2003 From: maxer1 at xmission.com (RaXeT) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 16:50:55 -0700 Subject: kernel-2.6.0-0.1.14.i686 and... In-Reply-To: <1071959593.3135.10.camel@localhost> References: <001001c3c748$d6006a30$0200000a@frank> <1071959593.3135.10.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <3FE4E05F.4080606@xmission.com> jason pearl wrote: >On Sat, 2003-12-20 at 15:30, raxet wrote: > > >>What in the world is the issue with every single test 2.6.0 kernel >> >>having issues with: >> >> >> >> >> >>>FATAL: keybdev not found. >>> >>> >>>FATAL: mousedev not found. >>> >>> >> >> >>Could someone please explain why they appear when the mouse and >>keyboard >> >>Are properly detected and everything is working just fine. I?ve tried >>editing >> >>the modprobe.conf.dist and modprobe.conf to no avail. >> >> >> >>I saw the earlier message that it doesn?t matter, but still shouldn?t >>there >> >>be a way to get rid of the annoying kernel boot messages? >> >> >> >>Also in this 2.6.0-0.1.14 there seems to be a very significant delay >>in the load >> >>of modules. >> >> >> >>Thanks, >> >> >> >>RaXeT >> >> >are you using a usb keyboard and mouse??? try ps2 > > I'm bleeding edge ps2 died in my mind years ago :) So the answer is no! RaXeT From jpearl24 at cox.net Sun Dec 21 00:17:23 2003 From: jpearl24 at cox.net (jason pearl) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 17:17:23 -0700 Subject: kernel-2.6.0-0.1.14.i686 and... In-Reply-To: <3FE4E05F.4080606@xmission.com> References: <001001c3c748$d6006a30$0200000a@frank> <1071959593.3135.10.camel@localhost> <3FE4E05F.4080606@xmission.com> Message-ID: <1071965843.3135.27.camel@localhost> lol thro ps2 in and im sure it will work -- jason pearl ++++++++++++++++++ "Keep your friends close and your enemies closer"-Tupac ++++++++++++++++++ Kurrupted Visionz Phx, AZ registered linux user #307811 MDK 9.2 Linux http://counter.li.org AMD64 Opteron 1.6 ASUS SK8N -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From maxer1 at xmission.com Sun Dec 21 01:49:42 2003 From: maxer1 at xmission.com (RaXeT) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 18:49:42 -0700 Subject: kernel-2.6.0-0.1.14.i686 and... In-Reply-To: <1071965843.3135.27.camel@localhost> References: <001001c3c748$d6006a30$0200000a@frank> <1071959593.3135.10.camel@localhost> <3FE4E05F.4080606@xmission.com> <1071965843.3135.27.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <3FE4FC36.2070204@xmission.com> jason pearl wrote: >lol thro ps2 in and im sure it will work > > Has to do with the initscripts that haven't been updated. I was told to cram it till initscripts are updated. It works with usb, I was just complaining about the kernel messages. RaXeT From nbryant at optonline.net Sun Dec 21 01:56:02 2003 From: nbryant at optonline.net (Nathan Bryant) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 20:56:02 -0500 Subject: oops, with kernel 2.6.0-0.1.14 Message-ID: <3FE4FDB2.5060406@optonline.net> just a quick heads up. I decided to test this kernel and it produced an oops+panic on a shutdown that was attempted by pressing cntl-alt-del from singleuser/maintenance mode. the message was something about unable to flush buffers or unmount filesystems. upon hard reboot there was some mild fs corruption. I think I had been mounting something loopback previously, but I don't remember if it was still mounted when I hit ctrl-alt-del If I get any additional info I will try to get a proper bug report into bugzilla but the oops didn't make it to syslog. From tcallawa at redhat.com Sun Dec 21 04:59:39 2003 From: tcallawa at redhat.com (Tom 'spot' Callaway) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 22:59:39 -0600 Subject: kernel-2.6.0-0.1.14.i686 and... In-Reply-To: <3FE4E05F.4080606@xmission.com> References: <001001c3c748$d6006a30$0200000a@frank> <1071959593.3135.10.camel@localhost> <3FE4E05F.4080606@xmission.com> Message-ID: <1071982779.3983.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sat, 2003-12-20 at 17:50, RaXeT wrote: > >>I saw the earlier message that it doesn???t matter, but still shouldn???t > >>there > >> > >>be a way to get rid of the annoying kernel boot messages? You must get worked up easily. However, if you simply cannot sleep at night until those messages from rc.sysinit go away, apply the attached patch to /etc/rc.d/rc.sysinit. All the patch does is to comment out the loading of usb filesystem, keybdev and mousedev, which don't exist in 2.6 (they're all still supported, but they're compiled in now, at least keybdev/mousedev functionality is). ~spot --- Tom "spot" Callaway LCA, RHCE Red Hat Sales Engineer || Aurora SPARC Linux Project Leader "The author's mathematical treatment of the conception of purpose is novel and highly ingenious, but heretical and, so far as the present social order is concerned, dangerous and potentially subversive. Not to be published." -- Aldous Huxley's "Brave New World" -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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It's a harmless error, it will go away eventually. Bill From paul at all-the-johnsons.co.uk Sun Dec 21 09:39:43 2003 From: paul at all-the-johnsons.co.uk (Paul) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 09:39:43 +0000 Subject: missing drivers in 2.6.0 kernel In-Reply-To: <3FE537FF.2060404@xmission.com> References: <3FE537FF.2060404@xmission.com> Message-ID: <1071999583.21147.4.camel@T6.linux> Hi, > Are i810_audio and emu10k1 sound drivers built into the kernel 2.6? No. And I can't get them to work on the box at work either as either built in or as a module :-( TTFN Paul -- One OS to fool them all One browser to find them One email client to bring them all And through security holes, blind them... -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From czar at czarc.net Sun Dec 21 09:56:10 2003 From: czar at czarc.net (Gene C.) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 04:56:10 -0500 Subject: need help: fc1 for amd64 Message-ID: <200312210456.10352.czar@czarc.net> OK, I got my amd64 hardware ... actually an Opteron 140 but am having some problems. Hardware: After much hassle I got an ASUS SK8V MB. I first ordered a Gigabyte K8NNXP-940 (looked pretty good and I had good luck with another Gigabyte MB for dual athlons). This proved to an advertised and not really available product so I switch the order to an ASUS SK8N. When I went to pick it up, I was told that the RUMOR (NOTE, this is RUMOR, not FACT) that the SK8N had been recalled and if I wanted, they had an SK8V I could have. Now, this seemed better because the VIA chipset does not apparently have the acpi problem so I got it. The video adapter is an ATI 9100 and (as expected from other comments) the onboard NIC did not work so I added a Linksys (tulip) NIC. The system has 1GB ECC Reg ram. I installed i386 FC1 with no (well, see below) problems so this is hardware that FC1 should handle. Problem 1 (I do not really expect help here but who knows): I have a Dell 2000FP (analog) monitor which is connected to a total of four systems via a Belkin KVM switch. I have had zero problems with this setup (runs 1600x1200 just fine) on my other systems (dual P-III, single P-III and dual athlon). When I poweron the Opteron the screen blinks a couple of times, some text comes up for some IDE/raid controllers but then I get a blank screen with the Dell saying it is in power-save mode. I finally dug out an old NEC XV17+ and connected it directly. OK, it comes up and I was finally able the get into BIOS Setup via the DEL key. I turned off some fancy ASUS/AMI graphic boot stuff and otherwise configured the BIOS to be more friendly ... this resulted in being able to at least bootup on the Dell but still unable to get into BIOS Setup this way (or at least get it to display). On the Dell this BIOS Setup image flashes but then the monitor goes into power-save mode. Once I get to with the FC1 i386 cdrom prompt or (after install) the grub panel, the display works fine. OK, the conclusion I have come to is that the ASUS/AMI BIOS is using some video adapter parameters which drives the Dell monitor nuts and forces it into "off" mode. I can't get this system to boot the floppy (it does boot the Maxtor harddrive and the cdrom (DVD drive) but not the floppy) -- I am not sure the floppy drive is even seen. This means that I cannot update the BIOS although there is an update available. I have not yet tried attaching the Dell monitor directly or to use the DVI interface (both the 9100 adapter and the Dell monitor have a DVI interface in addition to an analog interface). However, I do not expect this to work any better since it seems (to me) to be video parameters that the ASUS/AMI BIOS is using. As I said, I don't expect help here but any would be appreciated. Problem 2 (installing FC1 X86_64): I downloaded all of the files from fedora.linux.duke.edu, burned a cdrom using images/boot.iso, and made the directory tree available via an NFS share. The nfs shared fc1 directory tree has both i386 and x86_64 subtrees and I successfully installed fc1-i386 off the i386 tree. When I boot the x86_64 boot.iso cdrom it comes up. I enter the appropriate system name and directory tree but then get "unable to mount" popup and am unable to get any further. As I said, I used this same process to install i386 FC1 and have checked the permission and they are OK. Another strange thing is that I cannot switch to VT2 (ctl-alt-F2) although I can switch to VT3 and VT4 ... maybe I am not far along enough for VT2 to work. Any help appreciated. -- Gene From jpearl24 at cox.net Sun Dec 21 10:31:09 2003 From: jpearl24 at cox.net (jason pearl) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 03:31:09 -0700 Subject: need help: fc1 for amd64 In-Reply-To: <200312210456.10352.czar@czarc.net> References: <200312210456.10352.czar@czarc.net> Message-ID: <1072002669.3002.3.camel@localhost> On Sun, 2003-12-21 at 02:56, Gene C. wrote: > OK, I got my amd64 hardware ... actually an Opteron 140 but am having some > problems. > > Hardware: > > After much hassle I got an ASUS SK8V MB. I first ordered a Gigabyte > K8NNXP-940 (looked pretty good and I had good luck with another Gigabyte MB > for dual athlons). This proved to an advertised and not really available > product so I switch the order to an ASUS SK8N. When I went to pick it up, I > was told that the RUMOR (NOTE, this is RUMOR, not FACT) that the SK8N had > been recalled and if I wanted, they had an SK8V I could have. Now, this > seemed better because the VIA chipset does not apparently have the acpi > problem so I got it. > > The video adapter is an ATI 9100 and (as expected from other comments) the > onboard NIC did not work so I added a Linksys (tulip) NIC. The system has > 1GB ECC Reg ram. > > I installed i386 FC1 with no (well, see below) problems so this is hardware > that FC1 should handle. > > Problem 1 (I do not really expect help here but who knows): > > I have a Dell 2000FP (analog) monitor which is connected to a total of four > systems via a Belkin KVM switch. I have had zero problems with this setup > (runs 1600x1200 just fine) on my other systems (dual P-III, single P-III and > dual athlon). > > When I poweron the Opteron the screen blinks a couple of times, some text > comes up for some IDE/raid controllers but then I get a blank screen with the > Dell saying it is in power-save mode. I finally dug out an old NEC XV17+ and > connected it directly. OK, it comes up and I was finally able the get into > BIOS Setup via the DEL key. I turned off some fancy ASUS/AMI graphic boot > stuff and otherwise configured the BIOS to be more friendly ... this resulted > in being able to at least bootup on the Dell but still unable to get into > BIOS Setup this way (or at least get it to display). On the Dell this BIOS > Setup image flashes but then the monitor goes into power-save mode. Once I > get to with the FC1 i386 cdrom prompt or (after install) the grub panel, the > display works fine. > > OK, the conclusion I have come to is that the ASUS/AMI BIOS is using some > video adapter parameters which drives the Dell monitor nuts and forces it > into "off" mode. > > I can't get this system to boot the floppy (it does boot the Maxtor harddrive > and the cdrom (DVD drive) but not the floppy) -- I am not sure the floppy > drive is even seen. This means that I cannot update the BIOS although there > is an update available. > > I have not yet tried attaching the Dell monitor directly or to use the DVI > interface (both the 9100 adapter and the Dell monitor have a DVI interface in > addition to an analog interface). However, I do not expect this to work any > better since it seems (to me) to be video parameters that the ASUS/AMI BIOS > is using. > > As I said, I don't expect help here but any would be appreciated. > > Problem 2 (installing FC1 X86_64): > > I downloaded all of the files from fedora.linux.duke.edu, burned a cdrom using > images/boot.iso, and made the directory tree available via an NFS share. The > nfs shared fc1 directory tree has both i386 and x86_64 subtrees and I > successfully installed fc1-i386 off the i386 tree. > > When I boot the x86_64 boot.iso cdrom it comes up. I enter the appropriate > system name and directory tree but then get "unable to mount" popup and am > unable to get any further. As I said, I used this same process to install > i386 FC1 and have checked the permission and they are OK. > > Another strange thing is that I cannot switch to VT2 (ctl-alt-F2) although I > can switch to VT3 and VT4 ... maybe I am not far along enough for VT2 to > work. > > Any help appreciated. SK8N got recalled???? i have that board... who should i contact to find that out? asus? -- jason pearl ++++++++++++++++++ "Keep your friends close and your enemies closer"-Tupac ++++++++++++++++++ Kurrupted Visionz Phx, AZ registered linux user #307811 MDK 9.2 Linux http://counter.li.org AMD64 Opteron 1.6 ASUS SK8N -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From czar at czarc.net Sun Dec 21 11:47:21 2003 From: czar at czarc.net (Gene C.) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 06:47:21 -0500 Subject: need help: fc1 for amd64 In-Reply-To: <1072002669.3002.3.camel@localhost> References: <200312210456.10352.czar@czarc.net> <1072002669.3002.3.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <200312210647.21284.czar@czarc.net> On Sunday 21 December 2003 05:31, jason pearl wrote: > SK8N got recalled???? i have that board... who should i contact to find > that out? asus? As I said: RUMOR ... NOT fact. The company I got my MB from got that info from their distributor. The statement was that the SK8N was ASUS's first Opteron MB and ... Now, given my experience with the SK8V, I am not sure I am that happy with ASUS anything! The place I purchased from has a Tyan Opteron based system they are experimenting with. Their system seems to work OK. I did not want Tyan based on some bad personal experience with a Tyan (Tiger?) dual processor system [I learned recently that it was a bad design and others had similar problems with it but for me it was costly] ... maybe I should re-think that decision. -- Gene From jpearl24 at cox.net Sun Dec 21 11:54:25 2003 From: jpearl24 at cox.net (jason pearl) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 04:54:25 -0700 Subject: need help: fc1 for amd64 In-Reply-To: <200312210647.21284.czar@czarc.net> References: <200312210456.10352.czar@czarc.net> <1072002669.3002.3.camel@localhost> <200312210647.21284.czar@czarc.net> Message-ID: <1072007665.3006.10.camel@localhost> On Sun, 2003-12-21 at 04:47, Gene C. wrote: > On Sunday 21 December 2003 05:31, jason pearl wrote: > > SK8N got recalled???? i have that board... who should i contact to find > > that out? asus? > > As I said: RUMOR ... NOT fact. > > The company I got my MB from got that info from their distributor. The > statement was that the SK8N was ASUS's first Opteron MB and ... > > Now, given my experience with the SK8V, I am not sure I am that happy with > ASUS anything! > > The place I purchased from has a Tyan Opteron based system they are > experimenting with. Their system seems to work OK. I did not want Tyan > based on some bad personal experience with a Tyan (Tiger?) dual processor > system [I learned recently that it was a bad design and others had similar > problems with it but for me it was costly] ... maybe I should re-think that > decision. well my board works good. but i dont want something thats bad hehe... i know its their first board and i have already fried one turning up the overclocking settings... i am happy with the board though -- jason pearl ++++++++++++++++++ "Keep your friends close and your enemies closer"-Tupac ++++++++++++++++++ Kurrupted Visionz Phx, AZ registered linux user #307811 MDK 9.2 Linux http://counter.li.org AMD64 Opteron 1.6 ASUS SK8N -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From pavelr at coresma.com Sun Dec 21 13:57:58 2003 From: pavelr at coresma.com (Pavel Rosenboim) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 15:57:58 +0200 Subject: what happened to tulip driver in kernel 2.6.0-0.1.14 Message-ID: <3FE5A6E6.3090304@coresma.com> Hi, After I installed kernel 2.6.0-0.1.14, I'm no longer able to use my Macronix MX987x5 ethernet card. It was using the tulip driver. Pavel. From czar at czarc.net Sun Dec 21 14:20:22 2003 From: czar at czarc.net (Gene C.) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 09:20:22 -0500 Subject: more on x86_64 Message-ID: <200312210920.22940.czar@czarc.net> OK, I need to make x86_64 cdroms (I believe that my Linksys (tulip) NIC is not recognized in 64 bit mode). I read the x86_64 FC1 faq and it says I should run /usr/lib/anaconda-runtime/splittree ... OK, but how? Can enyone provide a few more hints as to how to do this? I can see that I need to run pkgorder but have no clue as to what it expects? I am not well versed in python and don't want to spend the time to learn it just so I can get the tree split and cdroms built. If it comes down to it I suppose I can manually split the tree but I am hoping there is a quicker way. -- Gene From redhat-jc at insight.rr.com Sun Dec 21 14:58:38 2003 From: redhat-jc at insight.rr.com (Jim Cornette) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 09:58:38 -0500 Subject: missing drivers in 2.6.0 kernel In-Reply-To: <1071999583.21147.4.camel@T6.linux> References: <3FE537FF.2060404@xmission.com> <1071999583.21147.4.camel@T6.linux> Message-ID: <3FE5B51E.50205@insight.rr.com> Paul wrote: > Hi, > > >>Are i810_audio and emu10k1 sound drivers built into the kernel 2.6? > > > No. And I can't get them to work on the box at work either as either > built in or as a module :-( > > TTFN > > Paul I have the AC'97 sound chip that requires the module. I run *redhat-config-soundcard* after the system loads and sound works for everything except the applet. I get this error, but hear sound. Which module is it loading? FATAL: Module i810_audio is not in kernel. -8 These modules seem to deal with the sound and are loaded. Module Size Used by i810_audio 28436 0 ac97_codec 16780 1 i810_audio soundcore 7872 1 i810_audio Also, related to usb, why does my card reader work in runlevel 5 but not in runlevel 3? Jim From pavelr at coresma.com Sun Dec 21 15:50:50 2003 From: pavelr at coresma.com (Pavel Rosenboim) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 17:50:50 +0200 Subject: ebtables/arptables support in fedora Message-ID: <3FE5C15A.2070703@coresma.com> Hi, Is arptables user-space tool planned for FC2? 2.6 kernel already has support for it, but I could not find any user-space tools in rawhide. Pavel. From nbryant at optonline.net Sun Dec 21 16:07:44 2003 From: nbryant at optonline.net (Nathan Bryant) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 11:07:44 -0500 Subject: need help: fc1 for amd64 In-Reply-To: <200312210456.10352.czar@czarc.net> References: <200312210456.10352.czar@czarc.net> Message-ID: <3FE5C550.1040805@optonline.net> Gene C. wrote: > The video adapter is an ATI 9100 and (as expected from other comments) the > onboard NIC did not work so I added a Linksys (tulip) NIC. The system has > 1GB ECC Reg ram. I've been interested in this motherboard. The onboard adapter is a 3c940 LOM (lan-on-motherboard) chipset which is supposedly a Marvell/Syskonnect work-alike So the driver is sk98lin.o. Fedora's apparently doesn't work, can you tell me if the vanilla 2.4.23 kernel from kernel.org works? It seems it has an updated sk98lin driver version. It'd also be interesting to test the 2.6.0 rpm's from rawhide, but these drivers might actually be older (?) From nbryant at optonline.net Sun Dec 21 16:12:08 2003 From: nbryant at optonline.net (Nathan Bryant) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 11:12:08 -0500 Subject: need help: fc1 for amd64 In-Reply-To: <3FE5C550.1040805@optonline.net> References: <200312210456.10352.czar@czarc.net> <3FE5C550.1040805@optonline.net> Message-ID: <3FE5C658.8000209@optonline.net> Nathan Bryant wrote: > It'd also be interesting to test the 2.6.0 rpm's from rawhide, but these > drivers might actually be older (?) hmm spoke too soon vanilla 2.4.23 has 6.18 fedora 2.4.22 has 6.15, 2.6.0 has 6.18 From czar at czarc.net Sun Dec 21 16:25:40 2003 From: czar at czarc.net (Gene C.) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 11:25:40 -0500 Subject: need help: fc1 for amd64 In-Reply-To: <3FE5C550.1040805@optonline.net> References: <200312210456.10352.czar@czarc.net> <3FE5C550.1040805@optonline.net> Message-ID: <200312211125.40742.czar@czarc.net> On Sunday 21 December 2003 11:07, Nathan Bryant wrote: > Gene C. wrote: > > The video adapter is an ATI 9100 and (as expected from other comments) > > the onboard NIC did not work so I added a Linksys (tulip) NIC. The > > system has 1GB ECC Reg ram. > > I've been interested in this motherboard. The onboard adapter is a 3c940 > LOM (lan-on-motherboard) chipset which is supposedly a > Marvell/Syskonnect work-alike > > So the driver is sk98lin.o. Fedora's apparently doesn't work, can you > tell me if the vanilla 2.4.23 kernel from kernel.org works? It seems it > has an updated sk98lin driver version. > > It'd also be interesting to test the 2.6.0 rpm's from rawhide, but these > drivers might actually be older (?) That NIC is the least of my problems (as described in the previous messages). I first tried creating a DVD image as described in http://www.linuxtx.org/amd64faq.html ... my DVD burner appears not to work (or I do not know the magic to make it work). OK, so lets do a harddisk install (it requires image(s)). Oops, that died during the install: Traceback of the form: usr/lib/anaconda/packages.py line 146 ... /usr/lib/anaconda/harddrive.py line 163 missing string += "\t\t\tCD#%d\n" integer required. OK, so back to trying to split the discribution to make cdrom images. To run splittree, you need to run pkgorder first and I did: PYTHONPATH=/usr/lib/anaconda /usr/lib/anaconda-runtime/pkgorder /home/redhat/fc1/amd64/ x86_64 >/tmp/pkgorder.txt Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/anaconda-runtime/pkgorder", line 184, in ? pkgOrder.append(hdlist[package].nevra()) File "/usr/lib/anaconda/hdrlist.py", line 390, in __getitem__ raise KeyError, "No such package %s" %(item,) KeyError: No such package kernel-smp Mumble, mumble ... now what? So try doing pkgorder for i386 (I have that tree also). Running: PYTHONPATH=/usr/lib/anaconda /usr/lib/anaconda-runtime/pkgorder /home/redhat/fc1/i386/ i386 >/tmp/pkgorder.txt runs ... no errors. Anyone know what is going on? -- Gene From damocles at thenostromo.com Sun Dec 21 16:31:35 2003 From: damocles at thenostromo.com (Randy Vice) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 11:31:35 -0500 (EST) Subject: need help: fc1 for amd64 In-Reply-To: <200312211125.40742.czar@czarc.net> Message-ID: Is there any x86-64 mobo that does work completely with FC1? -- : damocles at TheNostromo.com : Bruce Morrow, a man before and after his time : : "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood : : of patriots and tyrants." - Thomas Jefferson 11-13-1787 "Let's roll." : : Todd Beamer, American Patriot onboard United Airlines Flight 93 9-11-01 : : damocles at thenostromo.com http://www.thenostromo.com/ : From nbryant at optonline.net Sun Dec 21 16:37:28 2003 From: nbryant at optonline.net (Nathan Bryant) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 11:37:28 -0500 Subject: need help: fc1 for amd64 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3FE5CC48.1010609@optonline.net> Randy Vice wrote: > Is there any x86-64 mobo that does work completely with FC1? > Linux would be no fun at all if you didn't have to hack device drivers for the latest hardware :-) From tcallawa at redhat.com Sun Dec 21 16:36:34 2003 From: tcallawa at redhat.com (Tom 'spot' Callaway) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 10:36:34 -0600 Subject: missing drivers in 2.6.0 kernel In-Reply-To: <3FE5B51E.50205@insight.rr.com> References: <3FE537FF.2060404@xmission.com> <1071999583.21147.4.camel@T6.linux> <3FE5B51E.50205@insight.rr.com> Message-ID: <1072024594.3423.29.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sun, 2003-12-21 at 08:58, Jim Cornette wrote: > Paul wrote: > > Hi, > > > > > >>Are i810_audio and emu10k1 sound drivers built into the kernel 2.6? > > > > > > No. And I can't get them to work on the box at work either as either > > built in or as a module :-( Welcome to rawhide. The GUI tools haven't been updated for 2.6, so using them isn't going to get you very far. In 2.6, there are two sets of sound drivers, the old OSS implementation from 2.4, and the new ALSA implementation. In this specific case, the i810_audio driver is the OSS driver, and should work just as well as it did in 2.4 (I manually modprobed it on my IBM T30 and then turned the volume up with aumix, and it worked just fine). However, ALSA seems to be the default, so here's how to set that up by hand: 1. You probably want to have alsa-libs and alsa-utils installed out of rawhide, just in the event you want to tune your sound a little tighter or do something more complicated than described here. 2. Add the following to /etc/modprobe.conf: alias char-major-116 snd alias snd-card-0 snd-intel8x0 alias sound-slot-0 snd-card-0 (note to Bill, the alias for char-major-116 should really be in /etc/modprobe.conf.dist) 3. You can either reboot or manually modprobe the drivers at this point (modprobe snd && modprobe snd-intel8x0). 4. ALSA drivers initialize with the audio channels muted, so just run aumix (the snd-oss-mixer driver autoloaded lets us do this) and turn the Volume, PCM, and Speaker settings up to where you're comfy. Then open xmms and play your favorite ogg file. :) ALSA has pretty good documentation for this process (albeit, specific to 2.4) on their website, the links are below. You won't need to worry about compiling the utils, libs, or kernel drivers, and several of the module alias definitions are already defined in /etc/modprobe.conf.dist (and remember, all 2.6 module aliases go in /etc/modprobe.conf, *NOT* /etc/modules.conf). If you s/modules.conf/modprobe.conf, then you've got the 2.6 instructions. i810 specific instructions: http://alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/doc-php/template.php?company=Intel&card=i820&chip=i820&module=intel8x0 choose soundcard by manufacturer for specific instructions: http://alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/ This works like a charm for me on my IBM T30. hth, ~spot --- Tom "spot" Callaway LCA, RHCE Red Hat Sales Engineer || Aurora SPARC Linux Project Leader "The author's mathematical treatment of the conception of purpose is novel and highly ingenious, but heretical and, so far as the present social order is concerned, dangerous and potentially subversive. Not to be published." -- Aldous Huxley's "Brave New World" From czar at czarc.net Sun Dec 21 16:52:32 2003 From: czar at czarc.net (Gene C.) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 11:52:32 -0500 Subject: need help: fc1 for amd64 In-Reply-To: <3FE5CC48.1010609@optonline.net> References: <3FE5CC48.1010609@optonline.net> Message-ID: <200312211152.32852.czar@czarc.net> On Sunday 21 December 2003 11:37, Nathan Bryant wrote: > Randy Vice wrote: > > Is there any x86-64 mobo that does work completely with FC1? > > Linux would be no fun at all if you didn't have to hack device drivers > for the latest hardware :-) Part of my problem is the lack of documentation for anaconda and the build process ... yes, I know that some folks working on fedora-docs is in the process of fixing this but it is not there yet. I am slowly fumbling through this but it is taking time. Part of my original desire to get the Gigabyte MB was that it looked real good (on paper), lots of the same hardware as on my dual Athlon MB and I knew that worked well. Bute, and it is a big BUT, being told that it will ship "real soon now" just does not cut it. I assumed that some hardware such as the NIC on the MB was not going to work but am really surprised by the interaction with the Dell 2000FP monitor. Given that bad values could actually destroy a monitor (according to Mike Harris) does not give me warm feelings about the MB. -- Gene From nbryant at optonline.net Sun Dec 21 16:58:26 2003 From: nbryant at optonline.net (Nathan Bryant) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 11:58:26 -0500 Subject: need help: fc1 for amd64 In-Reply-To: <200312211152.32852.czar@czarc.net> References: <3FE5CC48.1010609@optonline.net> <200312211152.32852.czar@czarc.net> Message-ID: <3FE5D132.5010808@optonline.net> this is kind of out of left field, but maybe their bios tries to probe the monitor's frequency ranges and set an optimal (read: as high as possible) refresh rate, and your kvm switch isn't letting the sense data get through. i had a hell of a time getting my Sun Ultra5 or Ultra10 or whatever it works working with a PC monitor through a kvm switch... probably a Belkin switch, too... if it was plugged in directly to the monitor when the box was booted, it would work ok, and then I could switch it over to the kvm switch. good luck updating the bios. maybe you can flash it through Windows with their bios liveupdate thing. Gene C. wrote: > On Sunday 21 December 2003 11:37, Nathan Bryant wrote: > >>Randy Vice wrote: >> >>>Is there any x86-64 mobo that does work completely with FC1? >> >>Linux would be no fun at all if you didn't have to hack device drivers >>for the latest hardware :-) > > > Part of my problem is the lack of documentation for anaconda and the build > process ... yes, I know that some folks working on fedora-docs is in the > process of fixing this but it is not there yet. I am slowly fumbling through > this but it is taking time. > > Part of my original desire to get the Gigabyte MB was that it looked real good > (on paper), lots of the same hardware as on my dual Athlon MB and I knew that > worked well. Bute, and it is a big BUT, being told that it will ship "real > soon now" just does not cut it. > > I assumed that some hardware such as the NIC on the MB was not going to work > but am really surprised by the interaction with the Dell 2000FP monitor. > Given that bad values could actually destroy a monitor (according to Mike > Harris) does not give me warm feelings about the MB. From czar at czarc.net Sun Dec 21 17:33:56 2003 From: czar at czarc.net (Gene C.) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 12:33:56 -0500 Subject: need help: fc1 for amd64 In-Reply-To: <3FE5D132.5010808@optonline.net> References: <200312211152.32852.czar@czarc.net> <3FE5D132.5010808@optonline.net> Message-ID: <200312211233.56914.czar@czarc.net> On Sunday 21 December 2003 11:58, Nathan Bryant wrote: > his is kind of out of left field, but > > maybe their bios tries to probe the monitor's frequency ranges and set > an optimal (read: as high as possible) refresh rate, and your kvm switch > isn't letting the sense data get through. Good point. I really need to try direct connecting this monitor. However, if it is doing that, there should also be some way to disable that "feature" in the BIOS setup and I did not see any. > > i had a hell of a time getting my Sun Ultra5 or Ultra10 or whatever it > works working with a PC monitor through a kvm switch... probably a > Belkin switch, too... if it was plugged in directly to the monitor when > the box was booted, it would work ok, and then I could switch it over to > the kvm switch. > > good luck updating the bios. maybe you can flash it through Windows with > their bios liveupdate thing. I really need to find out why the floppy drive is not recognized. Right now I am installing taroon-amd64 (better than nothing but not really what I want). With this in 64 bit mode, maybe I can determine what is wrong with the Linksys NIC and other stuff. -- Gene From pavelr at coresma.com Sun Dec 21 17:37:44 2003 From: pavelr at coresma.com (Pavel Rosenboim) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 19:37:44 +0200 Subject: what happened to tulip driver in kernel 2.6.0-0.1.14 In-Reply-To: <3FE5A6E6.3090304@coresma.com> References: <3FE5A6E6.3090304@coresma.com> Message-ID: <3FE5DA68.3000706@coresma.com> Pavel Rosenboim wrote: > Hi, > > After I installed kernel 2.6.0-0.1.14, I'm no longer able to use my > Macronix MX987x5 ethernet card. It was using the tulip driver. > I solved this problem by disabling kudzu. BTW, this works with kudzu in latest Arjan's kernel (2.6.0-1.104). Pavel. From czar at czarc.net Sun Dec 21 19:54:36 2003 From: czar at czarc.net (Gene C.) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 14:54:36 -0500 Subject: need help: fc1 for amd64 In-Reply-To: <3FE5D132.5010808@optonline.net> References: <200312211152.32852.czar@czarc.net> <3FE5D132.5010808@optonline.net> Message-ID: <200312211454.36331.czar@czarc.net> On Sunday 21 December 2003 11:58, Nathan Bryant wrote: > this is kind of out of left field, but > > maybe their bios tries to probe the monitor's frequency ranges and set > an optimal (read: as high as possible) refresh rate, and your kvm switch > isn't letting the sense data get through. Not left field ... it appears to be right on the money. Since the 9100 has a DVI connector and the Del 2000FP monitor suports the DVI interface (as well as analog), I connected via the DVI interface. The result is that the power-on and other messages are now appearing OK. I can select input on the Dell monitor and switch between analog and the DVI so long as they are on different systems. -- Gene From czar at czarc.net Sun Dec 21 20:03:19 2003 From: czar at czarc.net (Gene C.) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 15:03:19 -0500 Subject: A NIC for fc1_x86_64 Message-ID: <200312211503.19854.czar@czarc.net> My ASUS SK8V MB has a 3Com 3C940 gigabit LAN interface on the MB. I has seen (someplace) that this was known not to work so I plugged in a Linksys NC100 (pciid=1317:0985) which uses the tulip driver. The Linksys NIC works fine under FC1-i386 (in fact it supported an NFS install). I am still having problems creating fc1_x86_64 cdroms so I installed taroon-amd64 just to have something. It also seemed to have problems with an NFS install so I copied (under fc1-i386) the iso images to the harddrive and did a harddrive install. OK, taroon-amd64 installed. Bootup and the boot messages indicate that networking was started. However, if you try and do anything (e.g., ifconfig) with the interface, that function hangs (and shutdown hangs closing out the network). There appears to be a problem with the tulip driver in 64 bit mode. 1. Does anyone know of a NIC that does work in 64 bit mode? 2. How do we go about reporting bugs for the fc1_x86_64 preview? -- Gene From kas11 at tampabay.rr.com Sun Dec 21 20:55:38 2003 From: kas11 at tampabay.rr.com (Karen Spearel) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 15:55:38 -0500 Subject: need help: fc1 for amd64 In-Reply-To: <20031221170009.15837.86098.Mailman@listman.back-rdu.redhat.com> References: <20031221170009.15837.86098.Mailman@listman.back-rdu.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1072040138.23192.175.camel@localhost.localdomain> Gene C. wrote: > > I assumed that some hardware such as the NIC on the MB was not going to work > but am really surprised by the interaction with the Dell 2000FP monitor. > Given that bad values could actually destroy a monitor (according to Mike > Harris) does not give me warm feelings about the MB. I guess I have had somewhat better luck with my K8V (yeah, I sprung for the 3200+/754 pin version) with FC1. Both the std FC1 32 bit version and Justin's 2.4.22-1.2129.nptl for the x86_64 are running here quite well...no monitor issues with a ATI 9000 and a MAG LCD altho Anaconda didn't recognize it so I had to feed it H and V sync ranges. Anaconda did find the SATA controller that I had turned off as I have no SATA drives which caused some nasty messages to show up in the log but did no real harm...and removing sata_via from modules.conf cleaned up that problem. I never could get a FTP install to work (it insisted on putting in an extra \ in the url that I never could get rid of) from the boot disk but an NFS install worked perfectly once I had the directory tree on another box. The 3c2000 driver (source, at least) on the Asus site looks to be nothing other than the driver for the full range of SysKonnect cards ...it includes everything but the kitchen sink but it works ok here...it was used during the NFS install so, as I remember, the driver got installed without any further intervention by me. Davey Jones' 2.6.0 RPM does not run here though. Seems to have memory setup issues, perhaps from BIOS, as there are slab corruption errors as far as the eye can see. It is trying but...I've passed info along to experts so hopefully this issue will be looked into soon. I've heard that it does run on a Biostar board but not sure whether it was the K8T800 or the nForce 150 version...at any rate, those both use Award BIOS and since the northbridge is on the CPU, memory access should be unaffected by the chipset, so it seems that perhaps Award got things right and AMI didn't (or at least the way the developers thought they would be). I'd be interested in hearing if others have gotten 2.6 on an Athlon65/Opteron to run on AMI Bios. From nbryant at optonline.net Sun Dec 21 21:53:26 2003 From: nbryant at optonline.net (Nathan Bryant) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 16:53:26 -0500 Subject: need help: fc1 for amd64 In-Reply-To: <200312211454.36331.czar@czarc.net> References: <200312211152.32852.czar@czarc.net> <3FE5D132.5010808@optonline.net> <200312211454.36331.czar@czarc.net> Message-ID: <3FE61656.9090606@optonline.net> > Since the 9100 has a DVI connector and the Del 2000FP monitor suports the DVI > interface (as well as analog), I connected via the DVI interface. The result > is that the power-on and other messages are now appearing OK. I can select > input on the Dell monitor and switch between analog and the DVI so long as > they are on different systems. Your monitor is a flat panel? I wouldn't worry too much about frying it from analog mode, in that case. If it can't decode the analog signal, it should just ignore it. I'm not an electrical engineer or anything (lowly CS geek), but I think you would worry more about frying CRT's that try to clock the signal right out to the electron gun at a bandwidth (and the associated higher power levels and so on) that their hardware can't support. From czar at czarc.net Sun Dec 21 22:41:53 2003 From: czar at czarc.net (Gene C.) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 17:41:53 -0500 Subject: Opteron System, fc1-x86_64 -- progress Message-ID: <200312211741.53537.czar@czarc.net> Based on previous messages, this is a summery of current progress: 1. the floppy is working .. I had the cable in backwards (or rather upside-down). 2. The BIOS Setup etc. at power-on now visible with the Dell Monitor connected via DVI rather than analog through the KVM switch. The ASUS/AMI BIOS must max out the video parameters rather than doing things safely. This must have been filtered by the KVM. I can live with this. Except when I need to fool with the BIOS Setup, I may switch back to using the KVM since it is more convenient. I still consider the bad video parameters an ASUS bug. 3. The Linksys NIC (tulip driver) definitely hangs Linux in 64 bit mode although it works fine in 32 bit mode. However, the onboard 3COM 3C940 gigabit ethernet NIC also works. It completely works under 32 bit Linux and will handle the nfs install under 64 bit linux (Fedora Core 1 for the amd64). Unfortunately, under 64 bit linux I get an "kernel Oops" enabling the interface. Fortunately this is not MS Windows and things went merrily along without the interface rather than getting the blue-screen-of-death. The 3C940 driver (sk98lin) must be manually selected rather than automatically detected. Overall I am getting much more happy with this box, the SK8V MB, etc. Questions -- where should I post bug reports? In bugzilla? Assigned to whom? Fedora Core but what version? -- Gene From czar at czarc.net Sun Dec 21 22:44:33 2003 From: czar at czarc.net (Gene C.) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 17:44:33 -0500 Subject: need help: fc1 for amd64 In-Reply-To: <1072040138.23192.175.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <20031221170009.15837.86098.Mailman@listman.back-rdu.redhat.com> <1072040138.23192.175.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <200312211744.33838.czar@czarc.net> On Sunday 21 December 2003 15:55, Karen Spearel wrote: > The 3c2000 driver (source, at least) on the Asus site looks to be > nothing other than the driver for the full range of SysKonnect cards > ...it includes everything but the kitchen sink but it works ok here...it > was used during the NFS install so, as I remember, the driver got > installed without any further intervention by me. I am running the sk98lin driver for the 3C940 ... this is part of the linux kernel. It dows NOT work under the 64 bit OS ... gets a kernel Oops. Are you saying the 3c2000 driver does work? -- Gene From xose at wanadoo.es Sun Dec 21 22:48:07 2003 From: xose at wanadoo.es (Xose Vazquez Perez) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 23:48:07 +0100 Subject: need help: fc1 for amd64 References: <20031221170009.15837.86098.Mailman@listman.back-rdu.redhat.com> <1072040138.23192.175.camel@localhost.localdomain> <200312211744.33838.czar@czarc.net> Message-ID: <3FE62327.9080401@wanadoo.es> Gene C. wrote: > I am running the sk98lin driver for the 3C940 ... this is part of the linux > kernel. It dows NOT work under the 64 bit OS ... gets a kernel Oops. Are > you saying the 3c2000 driver does work? '3c2000' is an old and renamed 'sk98lin' driver From jpearl24 at cox.net Sun Dec 21 22:59:22 2003 From: jpearl24 at cox.net (jpearl24) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 15:59:22 -0700 Subject: more on x86_64 In-Reply-To: <200312210920.22940.czar@czarc.net> References: <200312210920.22940.czar@czarc.net> Message-ID: <1072047558.2933.12.camel@sesso2> On Sun, 2003-12-21 at 07:20, Gene C. wrote: > OK, I need to make x86_64 cdroms (I believe that my Linksys (tulip) NIC is not > recognized in 64 bit mode). I read the x86_64 FC1 faq and it says I should > run /usr/lib/anaconda-runtime/splittree ... OK, but how? Can enyone provide > a few more hints as to how to do this? I can see that I need to run pkgorder > but have no clue as to what it expects? > > I am not well versed in python and don't want to spend the time to learn it > just so I can get the tree split and cdroms built. > > If it comes down to it I suppose I can manually split the tree but I am hoping > there is a quicker way. how did u get fedora installed in the first place?/? http? ftp? or did u use a dvd . i tried making a dvd but when it goes to look for a source of the rpms it says i have the wrong cd.. -- jpearl24 sesso Linux AMD64 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From jpearl24 at cox.net Sun Dec 21 23:32:13 2003 From: jpearl24 at cox.net (jpearl24) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 16:32:13 -0700 Subject: need help: fc1 for amd64 In-Reply-To: <200312211233.56914.czar@czarc.net> References: <200312211152.32852.czar@czarc.net> <3FE5D132.5010808@optonline.net> <200312211233.56914.czar@czarc.net> Message-ID: <1072049523.3177.0.camel@sesso2> On Sun, 2003-12-21 at 10:33, Gene C. wrote: > On Sunday 21 December 2003 11:58, Nathan Bryant wrote: > > his is kind of out of left field, but > > > > maybe their bios tries to probe the monitor's frequency ranges and set > > an optimal (read: as high as possible) refresh rate, and your kvm switch > > isn't letting the sense data get through. > > Good point. I really need to try direct connecting this monitor. However, if > it is doing that, there should also be some way to disable that "feature" in > the BIOS setup and I did not see any. > > > > > i had a hell of a time getting my Sun Ultra5 or Ultra10 or whatever it > > works working with a PC monitor through a kvm switch... probably a > > Belkin switch, too... if it was plugged in directly to the monitor when > > the box was booted, it would work ok, and then I could switch it over to > > the kvm switch. > > > > good luck updating the bios. maybe you can flash it through Windows with > > their bios liveupdate thing. > > I really need to find out why the floppy drive is not recognized. > > Right now I am installing taroon-amd64 (better than nothing but not really > what I want). With this in 64 bit mode, maybe I can determine what is wrong > with the Linksys NIC and other stuff. whats taroon and who is it made by?> -- jpearl24 sesso Linux AMD64 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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It also seemed to have problems with an > NFS install so I copied (under fc1-i386) the iso images to the harddrive and > did a harddrive install. OK, taroon-amd64 installed. Bootup and the boot > messages indicate that networking was started. However, if you try and do > anything (e.g., ifconfig) with the interface, that function hangs (and > shutdown hangs closing out the network). There appears to be a problem with > the tulip driver in 64 bit mode. > > 1. Does anyone know of a NIC that does work in 64 bit mode? > > 2. How do we go about reporting bugs for the fc1_x86_64 preview? i have a realtek 8139 ... how do i tell if it is in 64bit mode... ill check if u tell me how to -- jpearl24 sesso Linux AMD64 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From 64bit_fedora at comcast.net Mon Dec 22 06:12:38 2003 From: 64bit_fedora at comcast.net (Justin M. Forbes) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 00:12:38 -0600 Subject: A NIC for fc1_x86_64 In-Reply-To: <200312211503.19854.czar@czarc.net> References: <200312211503.19854.czar@czarc.net> Message-ID: <20031222061238.GA4611@comcast.net> On Sun, Dec 21, 2003 at 03:03:19PM -0500, Gene C. wrote: > did a harddrive install. OK, taroon-amd64 installed. Bootup and the boot > messages indicate that networking was started. However, if you try and do > anything (e.g., ifconfig) with the interface, that function hangs (and > shutdown hangs closing out the network). There appears to be a problem with > the tulip driver in 64 bit mode. > Are you booting with acpi=off? Both NVidia and Via chipsets have issues with acpi, though nvidia is worse in that regard. I ask because before I realised it was ACPI causing the issues, I got the same type deal. Network plumbed, appeared to work, but didnt really. > 2. How do we go about reporting bugs for the fc1_x86_64 preview? http://www.linuxtx.org/amd64faq.html "What do I do if I run into issues? Please send an email to 64bit_fedora at comcast.net Another method would be to log a ticket with Red Hat Bugzilla, but if you do, please specify x86_64 as the platform, and assign the ticket to 64bit_fedora at comcast.net specifically when you create it." Thanks, Justin From 64bit_fedora at comcast.net Mon Dec 22 06:13:34 2003 From: 64bit_fedora at comcast.net (Justin M. Forbes) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 00:13:34 -0600 Subject: A NIC for fc1_x86_64 In-Reply-To: <1072050053.3177.2.camel@sesso2> References: <200312211503.19854.czar@czarc.net> <1072050053.3177.2.camel@sesso2> Message-ID: <20031222061334.GB4611@comcast.net> On Sun, Dec 21, 2003 at 04:40:57PM -0700, jpearl24 wrote: > i have a realtek 8139 ... how do i tell if it is in 64bit mode... ill > check if u tell me how to uname -i, if the reported arch is x86_64, you are running the 64bit kernel. Justin From jpearl24 at cox.net Mon Dec 22 06:27:51 2003 From: jpearl24 at cox.net (jason pearl) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 23:27:51 -0700 Subject: A NIC for fc1_x86_64 In-Reply-To: <20031222061238.GA4611@comcast.net> References: <200312211503.19854.czar@czarc.net> <20031222061238.GA4611@comcast.net> Message-ID: <1072074471.3161.9.camel@localhost> On Sun, 2003-12-21 at 23:12, Justin M. Forbes wrote: > On Sun, Dec 21, 2003 at 03:03:19PM -0500, Gene C. wrote: > > did a harddrive install. OK, taroon-amd64 installed. Bootup and the boot > > messages indicate that networking was started. However, if you try and do > > anything (e.g., ifconfig) with the interface, that function hangs (and > > shutdown hangs closing out the network). There appears to be a problem with > > the tulip driver in 64 bit mode. > > > Are you booting with acpi=off? Both NVidia and Via chipsets have issues > with acpi, though nvidia is worse in that regard. I ask because before I > realised it was ACPI causing the issues, I got the same type deal. Network > plumbed, appeared to work, but didnt really. > > > 2. How do we go about reporting bugs for the fc1_x86_64 preview? > > http://www.linuxtx.org/amd64faq.html > Okkkk here we go i am downloading and installing fc1 64 as we speak.. i had no problems with the acpi = off thing. But i did update my bios when i installed the board. So... run the bios update in dos NOT via asus autoupdate in windows ASUS themselves say not to use it... all you have to do is boot to dos put the flash disk in that u make and its done simple... :) -- jason pearl ++++++++++++++++++ "Keep your friends close and your enemies closer"-Tupac ++++++++++++++++++ Kurrupted Visionz Phx, AZ registered linux user #307811 MDK 9.2 Linux http://counter.li.org AMD64 Opteron 1.6 ASUS SK8N -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From czar at czarc.net Mon Dec 22 07:14:16 2003 From: czar at czarc.net (Gene C.) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 02:14:16 -0500 Subject: more on x86_64 In-Reply-To: <1072047558.2933.12.camel@sesso2> References: <200312210920.22940.czar@czarc.net> <1072047558.2933.12.camel@sesso2> Message-ID: <200312220214.16505.czar@czarc.net> On Sunday 21 December 2003 17:59, jpearl24 wrote: > On Sun, 2003-12-21 at 07:20, Gene C. wrote: > > OK, I need to make x86_64 cdroms (I believe that my Linksys (tulip) NIC > > is not recognized in 64 bit mode). I read the x86_64 FC1 faq and it says > > I should run /usr/lib/anaconda-runtime/splittree ... OK, but how? Can > > enyone provide a few more hints as to how to do this? I can see that I > > need to run pkgorder but have no clue as to what it expects? > > > > I am not well versed in python and don't want to spend the time to learn > > it just so I can get the tree split and cdroms built. > > > > If it comes down to it I suppose I can manually split the tree but I am > > hoping there is a quicker way. > > how did u get fedora installed in the first place?/? http? ftp? > or did u use a dvd . i tried making a dvd but when it goes to look for a > source of the rpms it says i have the wrong cd.. At this point I had not gotten 64 bit FC to install ... only 32 bit and taroon. -- Gene From czar at czarc.net Mon Dec 22 07:16:18 2003 From: czar at czarc.net (Gene C.) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 02:16:18 -0500 Subject: need help: fc1 for amd64 In-Reply-To: <1072048595.2933.22.camel@sesso2> References: <1072048595.2933.22.camel@sesso2> Message-ID: <200312220216.18633.czar@czarc.net> On Sunday 21 December 2003 18:16, jpearl24 wrote: > With > my SK8N board i just put an older nic in for now until i get the drivers > worked out. What NIC ... that is my point. The "old" NIC I tried (tulip driver) does not work in 64 bit mode. -- Gene From jpearl24 at cox.net Mon Dec 22 07:39:11 2003 From: jpearl24 at cox.net (jason pearl) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 00:39:11 -0700 Subject: need help: fc1 for amd64 In-Reply-To: <200312220216.18633.czar@czarc.net> References: <1072048595.2933.22.camel@sesso2> <200312220216.18633.czar@czarc.net> Message-ID: <1072078751.3165.24.camel@localhost> On Mon, 2003-12-22 at 00:16, Gene C. wrote: > On Sunday 21 December 2003 18:16, jpearl24 wrote: > > With > > my SK8N board i just put an older nic in for now until i get the drivers > > worked out. > > > What NIC ... that is my point. The "old" NIC I tried (tulip driver) does not > work in 64 bit mode. the nic is a kingston which uses driver realtek 8139 -- jason pearl ++++++++++++++++++ "Keep your friends close and your enemies closer"-Tupac ++++++++++++++++++ Kurrupted Visionz Phx, AZ registered linux user #307811 MDK 9.2 Linux http://counter.li.org AMD64 Opteron 1.6 ASUS SK8N -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From jpearl24 at cox.net Mon Dec 22 07:50:04 2003 From: jpearl24 at cox.net (jason pearl) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 00:50:04 -0700 Subject: more on x86_64 In-Reply-To: <200312220214.16505.czar@czarc.net> References: <200312210920.22940.czar@czarc.net> <1072047558.2933.12.camel@sesso2> <200312220214.16505.czar@czarc.net> Message-ID: <1072079404.3165.34.camel@localhost> On Mon, 2003-12-22 at 00:14, Gene C. wrote: > On Sunday 21 December 2003 17:59, jpearl24 wrote: > > On Sun, 2003-12-21 at 07:20, Gene C. wrote: > > > OK, I need to make x86_64 cdroms (I believe that my Linksys (tulip) NIC > > > is not recognized in 64 bit mode). I read the x86_64 FC1 faq and it says > > > I should run /usr/lib/anaconda-runtime/splittree ... OK, but how? Can > > > enyone provide a few more hints as to how to do this? I can see that I > > > need to run pkgorder but have no clue as to what it expects? > > > > > > I am not well versed in python and don't want to spend the time to learn > > > it just so I can get the tree split and cdroms built. > > > > > > If it comes down to it I suppose I can manually split the tree but I am > > > hoping there is a quicker way. > > > > how did u get fedora installed in the first place?/? http? ftp? > > or did u use a dvd . i tried making a dvd but when it goes to look for a > > source of the rpms it says i have the wrong cd.. > > At this point I had not gotten 64 bit FC to install ... only 32 bit and > taroon. ok i finally made it through the http install of fc1 64 bit.. realtek card works too...mozilla opens and then closes. ok ummm i had the realtek card installed and i made a boot cd from the boot.iso file at http://fedora.linux.duke.edu/fc1_x86_64/Fedora/ then when it asks where i want the files from i chose http then it automatically found my card. then i put fedora.linux.duke.edu on the first line and directory i put fc1_x86_64/Fedora and the install went smoothly from there.. i did have to tell it that i had a dell monitor for some reason. -- jason pearl ++++++++++++++++++ "Keep your friends close and your enemies closer"-Tupac ++++++++++++++++++ Kurrupted Visionz Phx, AZ registered linux user #307811 MDK 9.2 Linux http://counter.li.org AMD64 Opteron 1.6 ASUS SK8N -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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This mobo is a Soyo Dragon Plus, but I suspect that any mobo with this chip exhibits the same behavior. Thanks. Scott From 64bit_fedora at comcast.net Mon Dec 22 20:03:15 2003 From: 64bit_fedora at comcast.net (Justin M. Forbes) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 14:03:15 -0600 Subject: more on x86_64 In-Reply-To: <1072079404.3165.34.camel@localhost> References: <200312210920.22940.czar@czarc.net> <1072047558.2933.12.camel@sesso2> <200312220214.16505.czar@czarc.net> <1072079404.3165.34.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <20031222200314.GC8725@comcast.net> On Mon, Dec 22, 2003 at 12:50:04AM -0700, jason pearl wrote: > card works too...mozilla opens and then closes. ok ummm i had the > realtek card installed and i made a boot cd from the boot.iso file at > http://fedora.linux.duke.edu/fc1_x86_64/Fedora/ then when it asks where > i want the files from i chose http then it automatically found my card. > then i put fedora.linux.duke.edu on the first line and directory i put > fc1_x86_64/Fedora and the install went smoothly from there.. i did have > to tell it that i had a dell monitor for some reason. Please see the mozilla piece on the faq (http://www.linuxtx.org/amd64faq.html) There are issues with the 64bit mozilla, they are being worked out in the background, but as you cannot run 32bit plugins in 64bit mozilla, FC1 should only ship with 32bit. On the preview both are installed, but the FAQ will point you to the fix to default to 32bit. As for monitor detection, this is a 64bit issue as a whole, and probably will not be fixed any time soon. Justin From jaboutboul at speakeasy.net Mon Dec 22 20:08:19 2003 From: jaboutboul at speakeasy.net (Jack Aboutboul) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 15:08:19 -0500 Subject: Fedora and mobo's with Promise FastTrak100 Lite In-Reply-To: <3FE73C09.2040302@protocolmarketing.com> References: <3FE73C09.2040302@protocolmarketing.com> Message-ID: <1072123699.23506.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2003-12-22 at 13:46, Scott Dahl wrote: > Just wondering if anyone has had success installing Fedora on a system > with a motherboard that utilizes a Promise FastTrak100 Lite chip? The > installer > does not seem to recognize it, or any of the disks attached to it. This > mobo > is a Soyo Dragon Plus, but I suspect that any mobo with this chip exhibits > the same behavior. Scott, The promise chips are not hardware raid, they are software raid with a bios controller. They are very problematic to set up with linux. I suggest a 3Ware 7006-2 raid card or using md raid. --Jack From sdahl at protocolmarketing.com Mon Dec 22 21:06:33 2003 From: sdahl at protocolmarketing.com (Scott Dahl) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 13:06:33 -0800 Subject: Fedora and mobo's with Promise FastTrak100 Lite In-Reply-To: <1072123699.23506.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <3FE73C09.2040302@protocolmarketing.com> <1072123699.23506.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <3FE75CD9.1090605@protocolmarketing.com> Thanks for the info. Is it possible just to disable the "raid" functionality of the fasttrak100 at the BIOS level? Maybe just let the two disk drives be seen as two plain old ide disks when the installation program versus being in this pseudo raid 0 configuration? >On Mon, 2003-12-22 at 13:46, Scott Dahl wrote: > > >>Just wondering if anyone has had success installing Fedora on a system >>with a motherboard that utilizes a Promise FastTrak100 Lite chip? The >>installer >>does not seem to recognize it, or any of the disks attached to it. This >>mobo >>is a Soyo Dragon Plus, but I suspect that any mobo with this chip exhibits >>the same behavior. >> >> >Scott, > > The promise chips are not hardware raid, they are software raid with a >bios controller. They are very problematic to set up with linux. I >suggest a 3Ware 7006-2 raid card or using md raid. > >--Jack > > >-- >fedora-test-list mailing list >fedora-test-list at redhat.com >http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > From jaboutboul at speakeasy.net Mon Dec 22 23:42:52 2003 From: jaboutboul at speakeasy.net (Jack Aboutboul) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 18:42:52 -0500 Subject: Fedora and mobo's with Promise FastTrak100 Lite In-Reply-To: <3FE75CD9.1090605@protocolmarketing.com> References: <3FE73C09.2040302@protocolmarketing.com> <1072123699.23506.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> <3FE75CD9.1090605@protocolmarketing.com> Message-ID: <1072136571.23506.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2003-12-22 at 16:06, Scott Dahl wrote: > Thanks for the info. > > Is it possible just to disable the "raid" functionality of the > fasttrak100 at the BIOS level? > Maybe just let the two disk drives be seen as two plain old ide disks > when the > installation program versus being in this pseudo raid 0 configuration? Scott, On the dragon line of motherboards there should be a jumper on the motherboard that swicthes between raid configuration and just plain old IDE configuration. However, in reality, even with the raid jumper in place, the IDE slots are just that until some fastrak software is loaded which does the raid for you. So either way, unless you load fasttrak drivers, it doesnt really matter, but if you want to just change the jumper. --Jack From sdahl at protocolmarketing.com Tue Dec 23 00:00:53 2003 From: sdahl at protocolmarketing.com (Scott Dahl) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 16:00:53 -0800 Subject: Fedora and mobo's with Promise FastTrak100 Lite In-Reply-To: <1072136571.23506.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <3FE73C09.2040302@protocolmarketing.com> <1072123699.23506.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> <3FE75CD9.1090605@protocolmarketing.com> <1072136571.23506.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <3FE785B5.3030805@protocolmarketing.com> Thanks!! I will try that! -Scott >On Mon, 2003-12-22 at 16:06, Scott Dahl wrote: > > >>Thanks for the info. >> >>Is it possible just to disable the "raid" functionality of the >>fasttrak100 at the BIOS level? >>Maybe just let the two disk drives be seen as two plain old ide disks >>when the >>installation program versus being in this pseudo raid 0 configuration? >> >> >Scott, > > On the dragon line of motherboards there should be a jumper on the >motherboard that swicthes between raid configuration and just plain old >IDE configuration. However, in reality, even with the raid jumper in >place, the IDE slots are just that until some fastrak software is loaded >which does the raid for you. So either way, unless you load fasttrak >drivers, it doesnt really matter, but if you want to just change the >jumper. > >--Jack > > >-- >fedora-test-list mailing list >fedora-test-list at redhat.com >http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > From michalz at olomouc.com Tue Dec 23 02:31:17 2003 From: michalz at olomouc.com (Michal Zeravik) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 03:31:17 +0100 Subject: new nvidia driver 53.28 fails Message-ID: <3FE7A8F5.2000000@olomouc.com> Hi to all, I've tried to install %subj% on FC1 but X server fails on same config either with CC=gcc32 (for old-good 44.96). Do you have any expoerience how to successfuly install 53.28? michalz From jpearl24 at cox.net Tue Dec 23 05:23:34 2003 From: jpearl24 at cox.net (jason pearl) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 22:23:34 -0700 Subject: new nvidia driver 53.28 fails In-Reply-To: <3FE7A8F5.2000000@olomouc.com> References: <3FE7A8F5.2000000@olomouc.com> Message-ID: <1072157013.13547.1.camel@localhost> On Mon, 2003-12-22 at 19:31, Michal Zeravik wrote: > Hi to all, > > I've tried to install %subj% on FC1 but X server fails on same config > either with CC=gcc32 (for old-good 44.96). > Do you have any expoerience how to successfuly install 53.28? > > michalz > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list there might be something good under /usr/share/doc/NVIDIA there is readme files on installation and troubleshooting... -- jason pearl ++++++++++++++++++ "Keep your friends close and your enemies closer"-Tupac ++++++++++++++++++ Kurrupted Visionz Phx, AZ registered linux user #307811 MDK 9.2 Linux http://counter.li.org AMD64 Opteron 1.6 ASUS SK8N -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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After this 'export > CC=gcc32' then do the nvidia install as normal and all should be fine. > > Regards > > Philip Wyett I just did the nvidia install 5328 and had no problems so far i did the init 3.. installed the drivers and edited the x86 config file. then init 5 and it went ok and shown an nvidia splash screen.. so you think i will be ok/? i am scared to rebooot my kernel in fear of a crash hehe -- jason pearl ++++++++++++++++++ "Keep your friends close and your enemies closer"-Tupac ++++++++++++++++++ Kurrupted Visionz Phx, AZ registered linux user #307811 MDK 9.2 Linux http://counter.li.org AMD64 Opteron 1.6 ASUS SK8N -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From philip at wyett.net Tue Dec 23 06:18:53 2003 From: philip at wyett.net (Philip Wyett) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 06:18:53 +0000 Subject: new nvidia driver 53.28 fails In-Reply-To: <1072159167.13557.4.camel@localhost> References: <3FE7A8F5.2000000@olomouc.com> <1072158250.2481.5.camel@wyett> <1072159167.13557.4.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <1072160332.2481.13.camel@wyett> On Tue, 2003-12-23 at 05:59, jason pearl wrote: > On Mon, 2003-12-22 at 22:44, Philip Wyett wrote: > > On Tue, 2003-12-23 at 02:31, Michal Zeravik wrote: > > > Hi to all, > > > > > > I've tried to install %subj% on FC1 but X server fails on same config > > > either with CC=gcc32 (for old-good 44.96). > > > Do you have any expoerience how to successfuly install 53.28? > > > > > > michalz > > > > > > > Before installing the nvidia drivers 4496 or the latest 5328 you _must_ > > first remove XFree86-Mesa-libGL to avoid conflicts. After this 'export > > CC=gcc32' then do the nvidia install as normal and all should be fine From philip at wyett.net Tue Dec 23 06:27:20 2003 From: philip at wyett.net (Philip Wyett) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 06:27:20 +0000 Subject: new nvidia driver 53.28 fails Message-ID: <1072160839.2481.17.camel@wyett> On Tue, 2003-12-23 at 05:59, jason pearl wrote: > On Mon, 2003-12-22 at 22:44, Philip Wyett wrote: > > On Tue, 2003-12-23 at 02:31, Michal Zeravik wrote: > > > Hi to all, > > > > > > I've tried to install %subj% on FC1 but X server fails on same config > > > either with CC=gcc32 (for old-good 44.96). > > > Do you have any expoerience how to successfuly install 53.28? > > > > > > michalz > > > > > > > Before installing the nvidia drivers 4496 or the latest 5328 you _must_ > > first remove XFree86-Mesa-libGL to avoid conflicts. After this 'export > > CC=gcc32' then do the nvidia install as normal and all should be fine. > > > > Regards > > > > Philip Wyett > I just did the nvidia install 5328 and had no problems so far i did the > init 3.. installed the drivers and edited the x86 config file. then init > 5 and it went ok and shown an nvidia splash screen.. so you think i will > be ok/? i am scared to rebooot my kernel in fear of a crash hehe re-send as the reply seems to have got stripped and mashed on it's way. :/ You have the driver installed and thats Ok - Don't worry about reboots etc.! :) The need for removing the Mesa GL package is due to a file conflict which leads to GL related issues. The easiest way to see the problem is to fire up glxgears and then exit and try and fire it up again and watch the blank viewport. :( Removing the Mesa GL package prior to installing/re-installing the nvidia drivers removes the chance of this problem happening. Regards Philip Wyett -- Email: philip at wyett.net Website: http://www.wyett.net Public key: http://www.wyett.net/gpg/public_key.txt -- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From jpearl24 at cox.net Tue Dec 23 06:44:32 2003 From: jpearl24 at cox.net (jason pearl) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 23:44:32 -0700 Subject: new nvidia driver 53.28 fails In-Reply-To: <1072160839.2481.17.camel@wyett> References: <1072160839.2481.17.camel@wyett> Message-ID: <1072161871.13547.7.camel@localhost> > You have the driver installed and thats Ok - Don't worry about reboots > etc.! :) The need for removing the Mesa GL package is due to a file > conflict which leads to GL related issues. The easiest way to see the > problem is to fire up glxgears and then exit and try and fire it up > again and watch the blank viewport. :( Removing the Mesa GL package > prior to installing/re-installing the nvidia drivers removes the chance > of this problem happening. > > Regards > > Philip Wyett i dont know if you play americas army or not but when i start the program it locks up before or just after it loads... any ideas? or agp configuration. i dont know alot about this graphics stuff? or should i go visit the AA forukms? -- jason pearl ++++++++++++++++++ "Keep your friends close and your enemies closer"-Tupac ++++++++++++++++++ Kurrupted Visionz Phx, AZ registered linux user #307811 MDK 9.2 Linux http://counter.li.org AMD64 Opteron 1.6 ASUS SK8N -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From gauret at free.fr Tue Dec 23 11:02:42 2003 From: gauret at free.fr (Aurelien Bompard) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 12:02:42 +0100 Subject: new nvidia driver 53.28 fails References: <3FE7A8F5.2000000@olomouc.com> <1072158250.2481.5.camel@wyett> Message-ID: > Before installing the nvidia drivers 4496 or the latest 5328 you must > first remove XFree86-Mesa-libGL to avoid conflicts. Apparently, I have to use --nodeps to remove this package. Wich means that if I want to install packages which require it afterwards, I'll probably have to install them with --nodeps too :-( What about renaming libGL.so.1 ? This is dirty, but installing and removing with --nodeps is equally dirty IMHO. What would be the best solution ? Thanks Aurelien -- http://gauret.free.fr --- Jabber : gauret at amessage.info L'exp?rience est quelquechose que l'on acquiert juste apr?s en avoir eu besoin. From alan at redhat.com Tue Dec 23 15:01:05 2003 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 10:01:05 -0500 Subject: need help: fc1 for amd64 In-Reply-To: <3FE5C550.1040805@optonline.net> References: <200312210456.10352.czar@czarc.net> <3FE5C550.1040805@optonline.net> Message-ID: <20031223150105.GG1053@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Sun, Dec 21, 2003 at 11:07:44AM -0500, Nathan Bryant wrote: > So the driver is sk98lin.o. Fedora's apparently doesn't work, can you > tell me if the vanilla 2.4.23 kernel from kernel.org works? It seems it > has an updated sk98lin driver version. Its heavily updated and supports all the modern chips. From michalz at olomouc.com Tue Dec 23 15:26:38 2003 From: michalz at olomouc.com (Michal Zeravik) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 16:26:38 +0100 Subject: new nvidia driver 53.28 fails In-Reply-To: <1072160839.2481.17.camel@wyett> References: <1072160839.2481.17.camel@wyett> Message-ID: <3FE85EAE.5060904@olomouc.com> Hm, problem still continues. I have well configured xserver with config in attachment. With 44.96 works ok. So I tried to install new 53.28: rpm -e XFree-Mesa-GL (GL works even with 44.96 - /usr/libGL.so is link to /usr/libGL.so.44.96) telinit 3 export CC=gcc32 (for old 44.96 as well) ./NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-5328-pkg1 - it uninstall old (44.96) driver and build module for my kernel (2.4.22-1.2129.nptl.caps.rhfc1.ccrma) - everything seem to be ok, but Xserver fails to start and logs no error - screen in mingetty (console) is not redrawing - I have to switch (ctrl+alt+f2) to another and back to redraw screen console After reinstall 44.96 works xserver well with the same XF86Config. So, I don't know where is a bug. Any ideas? michalz -------------- next part -------------- An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: XF86Config URL: From czar at czarc.net Tue Dec 23 15:42:53 2003 From: czar at czarc.net (Gene C.) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 10:42:53 -0500 Subject: need help: fc1 for amd64 In-Reply-To: <20031223150105.GG1053@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <200312210456.10352.czar@czarc.net> <3FE5C550.1040805@optonline.net> <20031223150105.GG1053@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <200312231042.53658.czar@czarc.net> On Tuesday 23 December 2003 10:01, Alan Cox wrote: > On Sun, Dec 21, 2003 at 11:07:44AM -0500, Nathan Bryant wrote: > > So the driver is sk98lin.o. Fedora's apparently doesn't work, can you > > tell me if the vanilla 2.4.23 kernel from kernel.org works? It seems it > > has an updated sk98lin driver version. > > Its heavily updated and supports all the modern chips. Yes, I am currently running fc1-x86_64 preview on a ASUS SK8V MB with an onboard 3C940 and it seems to work fine. I had one occurance of an sk98lin related Oops (2122 kernel) but no problems since that ... runs fine for bot 32 bit and 64 bit OS on Opteron. -- Gene From jpearl24 at cox.net Tue Dec 23 16:45:55 2003 From: jpearl24 at cox.net (jason pearl) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 09:45:55 -0700 Subject: new nvidia driver 53.28 fails In-Reply-To: <3FE85EAE.5060904@olomouc.com> References: <1072160839.2481.17.camel@wyett> <3FE85EAE.5060904@olomouc.com> Message-ID: <1072197955.2948.1.camel@localhost> On Tue, 2003-12-23 at 08:26, Michal Zeravik wrote: > Hm, problem still continues. > I have well configured xserver with config in attachment. > With 44.96 works ok. So I tried to install new 53.28: > > rpm -e XFree-Mesa-GL (GL works even with 44.96 - /usr/libGL.so is link > to /usr/libGL.so.44.96) > telinit 3 > export CC=gcc32 (for old 44.96 as well) > ./NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-5328-pkg1 > - it uninstall old (44.96) driver and build module for my kernel > (2.4.22-1.2129.nptl.caps.rhfc1.ccrma) > - everything seem to be ok, but Xserver fails to start and logs no error > - screen in mingetty (console) is not redrawing > - I have to switch (ctrl+alt+f2) to another and back to redraw screen > console > > After reinstall 44.96 works xserver well with the same XF86Config. > So, I don't know where is a bug. > Any ideas? > > michalz > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Section "ServerLayout" > Identifier "XFree86 Configured" > Screen "Screen0" 0 0 > Screen "Screen1" RightOf "Screen0" > InputDevice "Mouse0" "CorePointer" > InputDevice "Keyboard0" "CoreKeyboard" > Option "Xinerama" "yes" > # Option "SuspendTime" "10" > # Option "OffTime" "20" > EndSection > > Section "Files" > RgbPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/rgb" > ModulePath "/usr/X11R6/lib/modules" > FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc/" > FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Speedo/" > FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Type1/" > FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/CID/" > FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/" > FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/" > EndSection > > Section "Module" > Load "dbe" > # Load "dri" > Load "extmod" > # SubSection "extmod" > # Option "omit xfree86-dga" > # EndSubSection > Load "record" > Load "xtrap" > Load "speedo" > Load "type1" > > Load "freetype" > > # Load "nv" > Load "glx" > > # Load "v4l" > EndSection > > Section "InputDevice" > Identifier "Keyboard0" > Driver "keyboard" > Option "AutoRepeat" "150 600" > Option "XkbRules" "xfree86" > Option "XkbModel" "pc105" > Option "XkbLayout" "us_intl" > # Option "SendDragEvents" "yes" > EndSection > > Section "InputDevice" > Identifier "Mouse0" > Driver "mouse" > Option "Protocol" "IMPS/2" > Option "Device" "/dev/psaux" > Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5" > Option "Emulate3Buttons" "no" > EndSection > > Section "Monitor" > Identifier "Monitor0" > VendorName "Sony" > ModelName "SDM-S71R" > DisplaySize 338 271 > HorizSync 31.5 - 92.0 > VertRefresh 50.0 - 75.0 > Option "dpms" > EndSection > > Section "Monitor" > # mm > Identifier "Monitor1" > VendorName "AOC" > ModelName "AOC 569E" > DisplaySize 280 210 > HorizSync 29.0 - 69.0 > VertRefresh 50.0 - 120.0 > Option "dpms" > EndSection > > Section "Device" > > ### Available Driver options are:- > ### Values: : integer, : float, : "True"/"False", > ### : "String", : " Hz/kHz/MHz" > ### [arg]: arg optional > #Option "DigitalVibrance" # > #Option "PageFlip" # [] > #Option "Dac8Bit" # [] > Option "NoLogo" "yes" # [] > #Option "Overlay" # [] > #Option "UBB" # [] > #Option "Stereo" # > #Option "WindowFlip" # [] > #Option "SWcursor" # [] > Option "HWcursor" "yes" # [] > #Option "VideoKey" # > Option "NvAGP" "3" # > #Option "IgnoreEDID" # [] > #Option "NoDDC" # [] > #Option "ConnectedMonitor" # > #Option "ConnectedMonitors" # > #Option "TVStandard" # > #Option "TVOutFormat" # > Option "RenderAccel" "yes" # [] > Option "CursorShadow" "yes" # [] > #Option "CursorShadowAlpha" # > #Option "CursorShadowXOffset" # > #Option "CursorShadowYOffset" # > #Option "UseEdidFreqs" # [] > #Option "FlatPanelProperties" # > #Option "TwinView" # [] > #Option "TwinViewOrientation" # > #Option "SecondMonitorHorizSync" # > #Option "SecondMonitorVertRefresh" # > #Option "MetaModes" # > #Option "UseInt10Module" # [] > #Option "SwapReady" # [] > #Option "NoTwinViewXineramaInfo" # [] > #Option "NoRenderExtension" # [] > #Option "UseClipIDs" # [] > #Option "CIOverlay" # [] > #Option "TransparentIndex" # > #Option "OverlayDefaultVisual" # [] > #Option "NvEmulate" # > #Option "NoBandWidthTest" # [] > #Option "CustomEDID-CRT-0" # > #Option "CustomEDID-CRT-1" # > #Option "CustomEDID-DFP-0" # > #Option "CustomEDID-DFP-1" # > #Option "CustomEDID-TV-0" # > #Option "CustomEDID-TV-1" # > #Option "TVOverScan" # > #Option "IgnoreDisplayDevices" # > #Option "MultisampleCompatibility" # [] > Identifier "Card0" > Driver "nvidia" > VendorName "nVidia Corporation" > BoardName "NV28 [GeForce4 Ti 4800 SE]" > VideoRam 131072 > BusID "PCI:1:0:0" > EndSection > > Section "Device" > > ### Available Driver options are:- > ### Values: : integer, : float, : "True"/"False", > ### : "String", : " Hz/kHz/MHz" > ### [arg]: arg optional > #Option "SWcursor" # [] > #Option "HWcursor" # [] > #Option "PciRetry" # [] > #Option "SyncOnGreen" # [] > #Option "NoAccel" # [] > #Option "ShowCache" # [] > #Option "Overlay" # [] > #Option "MGASDRAM" # [] > #Option "ShadowFB" # [] > #Option "UseFBDev" # [] > #Option "ColorKey" # > #Option "SetMclk" # > #Option "OverclockMem" # [] > #Option "VideoKey" # > #Option "Rotate" # [] > #Option "TexturedVideo" # [] > #Option "Crtc2Half" # [] > #Option "Crtc2Ram" # > #Option "Int10" # [] > #Option "AGPMode" # > #Option "AGPSize" # > #Option "DigitalScreen1" # [] > #Option "DigitalScreen2" # [] > #Option "TV" # [] > #Option "TVStandard" # [] > #Option "CableType" # [] > #Option "NoHal" # [] > #Option "SwappedHead" # [] > #Option "DRI" "no" # [] > #Option "MergedFB" # [] > #Option "Monitor2HSync" # [] > #Option "Monitor2VRefresh" # [] > #Option "Monitor2Position" # [] > #Option "MetaModes" # [] > Identifier "Card1" > Driver "mga" > VendorName "Matrox Graphics, Inc." > BoardName "MGA 1064SG [Mystique]" > Option "HWcursor" "yes" > BusID "PCI:0:10:0" > # BusID "PCI:0:0a:0" > EndSection > > Section "Screen" > Identifier "Screen0" > Device "Card0" > Monitor "Monitor0" > DefaultDepth 16 > SubSection "Display" > Depth 1 > EndSubSection > SubSection "Display" > Depth 8 > EndSubSection > SubSection "Display" > Depth 16 > Modes "1280x1024" "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480" > EndSubSection > SubSection "Display" > Depth 24 > Modes "1280x1024" "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480" > EndSubSection > SubSection "Display" > Depth 32 > Modes "1280x1024" "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480" > EndSubSection > EndSection > > Section "Screen" > Identifier "Screen1" > Device "Card1" > Monitor "Monitor1" > DefaultDepth 16 > SubSection "Display" > Depth 1 > EndSubSection > SubSection "Display" > Depth 8 > Modes "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480" > EndSubSection > SubSection "Display" > Depth 16 > Modes "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480" > EndSubSection > SubSection "Display" > Depth 24 > Modes "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480" > EndSubSection > SubSection "Display" > Depth 32 > Modes "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480" > EndSubSection > > EndSection i dont understand the nv module even being in there....must be the older version but everything looks okk what i would do is uninstall the older version and then install the 5238.. because when i had a current copy it uninstalled then reinstalled it... -- jason pearl ++++++++++++++++++ "Keep your friends close and your enemies closer"-Tupac ++++++++++++++++++ Kurrupted Visionz Phx, AZ registered linux user #307811 MDK 9.2 Linux http://counter.li.org AMD64 Opteron 1.6 ASUS SK8N -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From philip at wyett.net Tue Dec 23 17:45:16 2003 From: philip at wyett.net (Philip Wyett) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 17:45:16 +0000 Subject: new nvidia driver 53.28 fails In-Reply-To: References: <3FE7A8F5.2000000@olomouc.com> <1072158250.2481.5.camel@wyett> Message-ID: <1072201516.2481.6.camel@wyett> On Tue, 2003-12-23 at 11:02, Aurelien Bompard wrote: > > Before installing the nvidia drivers 4496 or the latest 5328 you must > > first remove XFree86-Mesa-libGL to avoid conflicts. > > Apparently, I have to use --nodeps to remove this package. Wich means that > if I want to install packages which require it afterwards, I'll probably > have to install them with --nodeps too :-( > What about renaming libGL.so.1 ? This is dirty, but installing and removing > with --nodeps is equally dirty IMHO. > What would be the best solution ? > > Thanks > > Aurelien Indeed, XFree86-Mesa-libGL should be removed with '--nodeps'. Yes, the dependency game here is not so nice. I have thought the best way to go if Mr Harris issued an XFree86 update for Fedora or an application depended on the lib... Would be to install it again go back to the 'nv' driver, do what you have todo, remove XFree86-Mesa-libGL again and re-install the binary 'nvidia' driver once more. A real pain no doubt, but as clean as least troublesome as it's probably gonna get. :/ Regards Philip Wyett -- Email: philip at wyett.net Website: http://www.wyett.net Public key: http://www.wyett.net/gpg/public_key.txt -- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From philip at wyett.net Tue Dec 23 17:55:07 2003 From: philip at wyett.net (Philip Wyett) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 17:55:07 +0000 Subject: new nvidia driver 53.28 fails In-Reply-To: <1072161871.13547.7.camel@localhost> References: <1072160839.2481.17.camel@wyett> <1072161871.13547.7.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <1072202106.2481.12.camel@wyett> On Tue, 2003-12-23 at 06:44, jason pearl wrote: > > You have the driver installed and thats Ok - Don't worry about reboots > > etc.! :) The need for removing the Mesa GL package is due to a file > > conflict which leads to GL related issues. The easiest way to see the > > problem is to fire up glxgears and then exit and try and fire it up > > again and watch the blank viewport. :( Removing the Mesa GL package > > prior to installing/re-installing the nvidia drivers removes the chance > > of this problem happening. > > > > Regards > > > > Philip Wyett > > i dont know if you play americas army or not but when i start the > program it locks up before or just after it loads... any ideas? or agp > configuration. i dont know alot about this graphics stuff? or should i > go visit the AA forukms? I have only ever played this game once and that was on RH 9. Maybe a visit to the AA forums would be the best, but don't just concentrate on the graphics as the source for the locks, maybe look at sound also - It's very shaky sometimes on GNU Linux. Regards Philip Wyett -- Email: philip at wyett.net Website: http://www.wyett.net Public key: http://www.wyett.net/gpg/public_key.txt -- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From nbryant at optonline.net Tue Dec 23 18:06:41 2003 From: nbryant at optonline.net (Nathan Bryant) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 13:06:41 -0500 Subject: new nvidia driver 53.28 fails In-Reply-To: <1072202106.2481.12.camel@wyett> References: <1072160839.2481.17.camel@wyett> <1072161871.13547.7.camel@localhost> <1072202106.2481.12.camel@wyett> Message-ID: <3FE88431.4010001@optonline.net> >I have only ever played this game once and that was on RH 9. Maybe a >visit to the AA forums would be the best, but don't just concentrate on >the graphics as the source for the locks, maybe look at sound also - >It's very shaky sometimes on GNU Linux. > GNU Linux? GNU does not have a Linux distribution, last I checked. Maybe you mean GNU/Linux? Then again, we're *only* talking about the kernel, here. :-) Spitting out the hook now, Nate From philip at wyett.net Tue Dec 23 18:18:30 2003 From: philip at wyett.net (Philip Wyett) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 18:18:30 +0000 Subject: new nvidia driver 53.28 fails In-Reply-To: <3FE88431.4010001@optonline.net> References: <1072160839.2481.17.camel@wyett> <1072161871.13547.7.camel@localhost> <1072202106.2481.12.camel@wyett> <3FE88431.4010001@optonline.net> Message-ID: <1072203510.2481.16.camel@wyett> On Tue, 2003-12-23 at 18:06, Nathan Bryant wrote: > >I have only ever played this game once and that was on RH 9. Maybe a > >visit to the AA forums would be the best, but don't just concentrate on > >the graphics as the source for the locks, maybe look at sound also - > >It's very shaky sometimes on GNU Linux. > > > GNU Linux? GNU does not have a Linux distribution, last I checked. Maybe > you mean GNU/Linux? > > Then again, we're *only* talking about the kernel, here. :-) > > Spitting out the hook now, > Nate > Picky... Ok, GNU/Linux it is. Where is your xmas spirit? Don't tell me - You've already drunk it! :) Regards Philip Wyett -- Email: philip at wyett.net Website: http://www.wyett.net Public key: http://www.wyett.net/gpg/public_key.txt -- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From philip at wyett.net Tue Dec 23 18:44:22 2003 From: philip at wyett.net (Philip Wyett) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 18:44:22 +0000 Subject: new nvidia driver 53.28 fails In-Reply-To: <3FE85EAE.5060904@olomouc.com> References: <1072160839.2481.17.camel@wyett> <3FE85EAE.5060904@olomouc.com> Message-ID: <1072205061.2481.23.camel@wyett> On Tue, 2003-12-23 at 15:26, Michal Zeravik wrote: > Hm, problem still continues. > I have well configured xserver with config in attachment. > With 44.96 works ok. So I tried to install new 53.28: > > rpm -e XFree-Mesa-GL (GL works even with 44.96 - /usr/libGL.so is link > to /usr/libGL.so.44.96) > telinit 3 > export CC=gcc32 (for old 44.96 as well) > ./NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-5328-pkg1 > - it uninstall old (44.96) driver and build module for my kernel > (2.4.22-1.2129.nptl.caps.rhfc1.ccrma) > - everything seem to be ok, but Xserver fails to start and logs no error > - screen in mingetty (console) is not redrawing > - I have to switch (ctrl+alt+f2) to another and back to redraw screen > console > > After reinstall 44.96 works xserver well with the same XF86Config. > So, I don't know where is a bug. > Any ideas? > > michalz > > ______________________________________________________________________ Hmm... Two cards of different makes and Xinerama - Not something I've had much contact/dealings with I have to say. One thing that did strike me though is that you make no use of 'Int10', thus all POSTing for the second card is currently being done through the nvidia kernel module. Could be a point of conflict/problems or maybe not, however you may wish to look at 'Int10' usage or ask around about this e.g. on the forums linked to from nvidia's GNU/Linux driver page. Regards Philip Wyett -- Email: philip at wyett.net Website: http://www.wyett.net Public key: http://www.wyett.net/gpg/public_key.txt -- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From mr700 at globalnet.bg Tue Dec 23 19:40:41 2003 From: mr700 at globalnet.bg (Doncho N. Gunchev) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 21:40:41 +0200 Subject: new nvidia driver 53.28 fails In-Reply-To: <1072201516.2481.6.camel@wyett> References: <3FE7A8F5.2000000@olomouc.com> <1072201516.2481.6.camel@wyett> Message-ID: <200312232140.41912@-mr700> On Tuesday 23 December 2003 19:45, Philip Wyett wrote: > On Tue, 2003-12-23 at 11:02, Aurelien Bompard wrote: > > > Before installing the nvidia drivers 4496 or the latest 5328 you must > > > first remove XFree86-Mesa-libGL to avoid conflicts. > > > > Apparently, I have to use --nodeps to remove this package. Wich means > > that if I want to install packages which require it afterwards, I'll > > probably have to install them with --nodeps too :-( > > What about renaming libGL.so.1 ? This is dirty, but installing and > > removing with --nodeps is equally dirty IMHO. > > What would be the best solution ? > > > > Thanks > > > > Aurelien > > Indeed, XFree86-Mesa-libGL should be removed with '--nodeps'. Yes, the > dependency game here is not so nice. I have thought the best way to go > if Mr Harris issued an XFree86 update for Fedora or an application > depended on the lib... Would be to install it again go back to the 'nv' > driver, do what you have todo, remove XFree86-Mesa-libGL again and > re-install the binary 'nvidia' driver once more. A real pain no doubt, > but as clean as least troublesome as it's probably gonna get. :/ > > Regards > > Philip Wyett Wouldn't it be easy if the new rpm 'obsolutes' the old XFree86-Mesa-libGL and 'provide' everything XFree86-Mesa-libGL does? btw: ASPLinux 9 uses another technique: when you install nvidia-glx it uses a '%post'-install script to rename/move all conflicting Messa files and make symlinks to the nvidia ones. I was wondering... can't these 'hooks' or whatever it was called (script that is invoked from one package when another one interacting with it is installed/uninstalled) be used to do all necessary (moving/renaming)s? Even in this case 'rpmverify XFree86-Mesa-libGL' will fail. Probably even this can be solved by modifying bouth XFree86-Mesa-libGL and nvidia-glx to get something like sendmail and postfix - you can switch them when you want (in this case 'prelink' could be called too). -- Regards, Doncho N. Gunchev From gavindi at bigpond.net.au Tue Dec 23 19:45:15 2003 From: gavindi at bigpond.net.au (Gavin Graham) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 05:45:15 +1000 Subject: Alsa device ordering. Message-ID: <1072208715.1754.8.camel@montego> Hi all, I have been trying out the new 2.6 kernel and Alsa as I have a Edirol SD-20 USB sound module that was a pain under the OSS system. While all is great, there is this one problem: I have two sound cards, one is the Edirol USB sound module and the other is a stock SB-Audigy. During system init, all USB drivers get load before the standard sound drivers which means that my Edirol sound module becomes sound-card-0. Then along come the standard sound module load which make the SB-Audigy become sound-card-1. The problem with this is that the Edriol module is midi only and has no PCM/Wave capability. This make play normal audio very difficult. ..Not to mention just running the volume applet!!! My fix to date has been to unload both modules and then reload them in the correct order of SB then Edirol. It think some re-ordering is involved here but I am unsure how to best execute this. Regards, -- ??? Gavin Graham ??? Arkpandora.com ??? g.graham at bigpond.net.au ??? Annerley, QLD ??? MozcurveBlue & Arkpandora fonts: http://www.users.bigpond.net.au/gavindi/ From gauret at free.fr Wed Dec 24 10:13:44 2003 From: gauret at free.fr (Aurelien Bompard) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 11:13:44 +0100 Subject: new nvidia driver 53.28 fails References: <3FE7A8F5.2000000@olomouc.com> <1072158250.2481.5.camel@wyett> <1072201516.2481.6.camel@wyett> Message-ID: > Indeed, XFree86-Mesa-libGL should be removed with '--nodeps'. Yes, the > dependency game here is not so nice. I have thought the best way to go > if Mr Harris issued an XFree86 update for Fedora or an application > depended on the lib... Would be to install it again go back to the 'nv' > driver, do what you have todo, remove XFree86-Mesa-libGL again and > re-install the binary 'nvidia' driver once more. A real pain no doubt, > but as clean as least troublesome as it's probably gonna get. :/ What could also be done, is using a virtual package which would provide libGL.so. How about the rpm created by this spec file : Name: nvidia-fake-glx Summary: Fake NVidia package Version: 1.0 Release: 1 License: GPL Group: User Interface/X Source0: %name.README Buildroot: %{_tmppath}/%{name}-%{version}-%{release}-root Buildarch: noarch Provides: libGL.so.1 libGL.so.1.2 %description Install this package if you used the NVidia installer to install the drivers on your system %install rm -rf $RPM_BUILD_ROOT mkdir -p $RPM_BUILD_ROOT%_docdir/%name-%version install -p %{SOURCE0} $RPM_BUILD_ROOT%_docdir/%name-%version/README %files %defattr(644,root,root) %_docdir/%name-%version/README %changelog * Mon Jun 16 2003 Aur?lien Bompard - initial package Could this be a cleaner solution ? Bye Aur?lien -- http://gauret.free.fr --- Jabber : gauret at amessage.info "Unix was not designed to stop you from doing stupid things, because that would also stop you from doing clever things." -- Doug Gwyn From sjoerd at acm.org Wed Dec 24 10:35:30 2003 From: sjoerd at acm.org (Sjoerd Mullender) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 11:35:30 +0100 Subject: new nvidia driver 53.28 fails In-Reply-To: References: <3FE7A8F5.2000000@olomouc.com> <1072158250.2481.5.camel@wyett> <1072201516.2481.6.camel@wyett> Message-ID: <3FE96BF2.8060602@acm.org> Aurelien Bompard wrote: >>Indeed, XFree86-Mesa-libGL should be removed with '--nodeps'. Yes, the >>dependency game here is not so nice. I have thought the best way to go >>if Mr Harris issued an XFree86 update for Fedora or an application >>depended on the lib... Would be to install it again go back to the 'nv' >>driver, do what you have todo, remove XFree86-Mesa-libGL again and >>re-install the binary 'nvidia' driver once more. A real pain no doubt, >>but as clean as least troublesome as it's probably gonna get. :/ > > > What could also be done, is using a virtual package which would provide > libGL.so. How about the rpm created by this spec file : I already sent a similar message in October. See http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/2003-October/msg03252.html > Could this be a cleaner solution ? Definitely. -- Sjoerd Mullender From johnsonm at redhat.com Wed Dec 24 14:16:35 2003 From: johnsonm at redhat.com (Michael K. Johnson) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 09:16:35 -0500 Subject: Alsa device ordering. In-Reply-To: <1072208715.1754.8.camel@montego> References: <1072208715.1754.8.camel@montego> Message-ID: <20031224141635.GA2710@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Wed, Dec 24, 2003 at 05:45:15AM +1000, Gavin Graham wrote: > It think some re-ordering is involved here but I am unsure how to best > execute this. I'm not sure what the right way to fix this is, but an easy hack is to add an explicit module dependency. The man page doesn't say whether they think of the module stack growing up or down, and this is such a rare thing for me that I never remember and so always have to try it both ways until it works (I vaguely think I've done this about twice, with no memory of why), but: add below or add above ought to take care of your special case. michaelkjohnson "He that composes himself is wiser than he that composes a book." Linux Application Development -- Ben Franklin http://people.redhat.com/johnsonm/lad/ From ojgbagg27ab at msn.com Sat Dec 27 13:08:49 2003 From: ojgbagg27ab at msn.com (alton bailey) Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2003 08:08:49 -0500 Subject: Instant Gigahertz NIC Linksys EG1032 Message-ID: I'm currently upgrading my network to Gigabit data transfer, I install ( linksys EG1032 ) on my Fedora box and use the installation from the cd that comes with the Nic Card and i got an error during the setup. I am using Kernel 2.6.0.1.104 and also the original 2.4.22.0.2115 up to 2135 when I try to setup the NIC with Kernel 2.6.0.1.104 this NIC is not supported. and for kernel 2.4.22.0.2115 up to 2135 I got an error too and I include an attachment. could some one look into this problem thanks alton -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: install.log Type: application/octet-stream Size: 3693 bytes Desc: not available URL: From kjb at dds.nl Sat Dec 27 13:48:17 2003 From: kjb at dds.nl (Klaasjan Brand) Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2003 14:48:17 +0100 Subject: Instant Gigahertz NIC Linksys EG1032 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1072532897.4106.3.camel@isengard> On Sat, 2003-12-27 at 14:08, alton bailey wrote: > I'm currently upgrading my network to Gigabit data transfer, I install ( > linksys EG1032 ) on my Fedora box and use the installation from the cd that > comes with the Nic Card and i got an error during the setup. I am using > Kernel 2.6.0.1.104 and also the original 2.4.22.0.2115 up to 2135 > when I try to setup the NIC with Kernel 2.6.0.1.104 this NIC is not > supported. If the driver source code is available it might have been added to 2.6 so you won't need the installation cd. If the driver is a binary with some wrapper sources to get it to build on most kernels you're out of luck and have to wait for the vendor to release new drivers (or forget about it and buy a better supported card with open source drivers) > and for kernel 2.4.22.0.2115 up to 2135 I got an error too and I include an > attachment. Make sure you've got the kernel-source package installed before you try to build the driver. You'll also want to compile the module with the same gcc version the kernel is compiled with (gcc32 package). Klaasjan From labproject at free.fr Sat Dec 27 17:23:53 2003 From: labproject at free.fr (DJ Anubis) Date: 27 Dec 2003 18:23:53 +0100 Subject: Instant Gigahertz NIC Linksys EG1032 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1072545832.21104.1.camel@serveur.localdomain> Le sam 27/12/2003 ? 14:08, alton bailey a ?crit : > I'm currently upgrading my network to Gigabit data transfer, I install ( > linksys EG1032 ) on my Fedora box and use the installation from the cd that > comes with the Nic Card and i got an error during the setup. I am using > Kernel 2.6.0.1.104 and also the original 2.4.22.0.2115 up to 2135 > when I try to setup the NIC with Kernel 2.6.0.1.104 this NIC is not > supported. > and for kernel 2.4.22.0.2115 up to 2135 I got an error too and I include an > attachment. > > could some one look into this problem The attatchment tells you it cannot find kernel headers. So install kernel-headers packages for 2.6 and 2.4 and try again . DJ Anubis From kas11 at tampabay.rr.com Sat Dec 27 18:00:25 2003 From: kas11 at tampabay.rr.com (Karen Spearel) Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2003 13:00:25 -0500 Subject: Instant Gigahertz NIC Linksys EG1032 In-Reply-To: <20031227170008.6916.26816.Mailman@listman.back-rdu.redhat.com> References: <20031227170008.6916.26816.Mailman@listman.back-rdu.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1072548024.17563.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> Alton Bailey wrote: > > I'm currently upgrading my network to Gigabit data transfer, I install ( > linksys EG1032 ) on my Fedora box and use the installation from the cd that > comes with the Nic Card and i got an error during the setup. I am using > Kernel 2.6.0.1.104 and also the original 2.4.22.0.2115 up to 2135 > when I try to setup the NIC with Kernel 2.6.0.1.104 this NIC is not > supported. > and for kernel 2.4.22.0.2115 up to 2135 I got an error too and I include an > attachment. > > could some one look into this problem The Linksys vendor ID and a device ID of 0x1032 show up in the SysKonnect 98 source...googling elsewhere indicates that the Natsemi 83821 chip used on at least 1 rev of that card is based on the Marvell Yukon design which this driver does support...so it seems probable that the sk98lin driver included in FC1 ought to work. Give it a shot and let us know. HTH, Karen From ojgbagg27ab at msn.com Sun Dec 28 05:12:28 2003 From: ojgbagg27ab at msn.com (alton bailey) Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 00:12:28 -0500 Subject: Instant Gigahertz NIC Linksys EG1032 Message-ID: look at this file from the installation of the linksys EG1032 Gigabit Nic [root at matrix DriverInstall]# ./install.sh Installation script for sk98lin driver. Version 1.03 (20030319) (C)Copyright 1999-2003 Marvell(R). ==================================================== Add to your trouble-report the logfile install.log which is located in the DriverInstall directory. ==================================================== 1) user 2) expert Choose your favorite installation method: 2 Check user id (0) passed Check host type (done) passed Check compiler (/usr/bin/gcc) passed Check module support (/sbin/insmod) passed Check make (/usr/bin/make) passed Check archive file (sk98lin) passed Check kernel version (2.6.0-1.104) failed Kernel version unsupported. This driver was developed for the kernel family 2.4.x higher then 2.4.13. If you are still using a old version of the kernel, please uptade to the newest version from ftp://ftp.kernel.org Installation of sk98lin driver module failed. >From: Karen Spearel >Reply-To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com >To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com >Subject: Re: Instant Gigahertz NIC Linksys EG1032 >Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2003 13:00:25 -0500 > >Alton Bailey wrote: > > > > I'm currently upgrading my network to Gigabit data transfer, I install >( > > linksys EG1032 ) on my Fedora box and use the installation from the cd >that > > comes with the Nic Card and i got an error during the setup. I am using > > Kernel 2.6.0.1.104 and also the original 2.4.22.0.2115 up to 2135 > > when I try to setup the NIC with Kernel 2.6.0.1.104 this NIC is not > > supported. > > and for kernel 2.4.22.0.2115 up to 2135 I got an error too and I >include an > > attachment. > > > > could some one look into this problem > >The Linksys vendor ID and a device ID of 0x1032 show up in the >SysKonnect 98 source...googling elsewhere indicates that the Natsemi >83821 chip used on at least 1 rev of that card is based on the Marvell >Yukon design which this driver does support...so it seems probable that >the sk98lin driver included in FC1 ought to work. Give it a shot and >let us know. > >HTH, >Karen > > >-- >fedora-test-list mailing list >fedora-test-list at redhat.com >http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From kas11 at tampabay.rr.com Sun Dec 28 18:35:40 2003 From: kas11 at tampabay.rr.com (Karen Spearel) Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 13:35:40 -0500 Subject: Instant Gigahertz NIC Linksys EG1032 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1072636539.14422.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sun, 2003-12-28 at 00:12, alton bailey wrote: > look at this file from the installation of the linksys EG1032 Gigabit Nic > [root at matrix DriverInstall]# ./install.sh > > Installation script for sk98lin driver. > Version 1.03 (20030319) > (C)Copyright 1999-2003 Marvell(R). Perhaps I should have been more clear in my reply as it looks like you are doing things the hard way...if you go to the main menu/system settings/network and type in the root password, you should get the network configuration gui...select the hardware tab and either edit (if an ethernet device exists) or new (or if everything is blank, perhaps run the wizard from the devices tab). From there you should be able to select the SysKonnect SK-98xx Gigabit driver from the list of modules supplied with the kernel rpm. This certainly is true for the standard 2.4 Fedora kernels...it is working with both i686 and x86_64 installations here...I'm not running any of the Fedora 2.6 kernels so I can't say what happens there but I would be surprised to find the sk98lin driver wasn't included. Of course, for a custom kernel, you have to make sure the SysKonnect driver will get built during configuration. Karen From tmwg-fedorat at inxservices.com Sun Dec 28 20:56:07 2003 From: tmwg-fedorat at inxservices.com (George Garvey) Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 12:56:07 -0800 Subject: rpmbuild broken Message-ID: <20031228205607.GA19916@inxservices.com> After the last update from testing, rpmbuild broke. rpm-4.2.2-0.7. python-2.3.3-1. I've tried going backwards with a few packages, and nothing seems to make a difference. Don't know enough about rpm to do much diagnosis. Through -bi is okay. With -ba, on very rare occasions finishes, sometimes hangs, usually segfaults. It appears to be having problems with the debug info. I don't know how to turn off debuginfo processing, which is where I suspect the problem is. I suspect this, because the debuginfo isn't always produced in the installation tree, and one rpmbuild run hangs on: Processing files: hp2pbm-debuginfo-0.1-3 I don't know where to go from here to deal with this, so I'm reporting it in the hopes it will make sense to someone who does know. From chrismcc at pricegrabber.com Sun Dec 28 21:34:34 2003 From: chrismcc at pricegrabber.com (Christopher McCrory) Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 13:34:34 -0800 Subject: rpmbuild broken In-Reply-To: <20031228205607.GA19916@inxservices.com> References: <20031228205607.GA19916@inxservices.com> Message-ID: <1072647273.415.1.camel@wednesday.pricegrabber.com> Hello... On Sun, 2003-12-28 at 12:56, George Garvey wrote: > After the last update from testing, rpmbuild broke. rpm-4.2.2-0.7. > python-2.3.3-1. I've tried going backwards with a few packages, and nothing > seems to make a difference. Don't know enough about rpm to do much > diagnosis. > Through -bi is okay. With -ba, on very rare occasions finishes, > sometimes hangs, usually segfaults. It appears to be having problems with > the debug info. I don't know how to turn off debuginfo processing, which is > where I suspect the problem is. in: ~/.rpmmacros add: %debug_package %{nil} > I suspect this, because the debuginfo isn't always produced in the > installation tree, and one rpmbuild run hangs on: > Processing files: hp2pbm-debuginfo-0.1-3 > I don't know where to go from here to deal with this, so I'm reporting > it in the hopes it will make sense to someone who does know. > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list -- Christopher McCrory "The guy that keeps the servers running" chrismcc at pricegrabber.com http://www.pricegrabber.com Let's face it, there's no Hollow Earth, no robots, and no 'mute rays.' And even if there were, waxed paper is no defense. I tried it. Only tinfoil works. From mail.sw.rh.rhl.beta at spam.fi.basen.net Sun Dec 28 21:40:08 2003 From: mail.sw.rh.rhl.beta at spam.fi.basen.net (Kaj J. Niemi) Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 23:40:08 +0200 Subject: rpmbuild broken References: <20031228205607.GA19916@inxservices.com> Message-ID: <200312282140.hBSLe8CY006445@melissa.a51.org> > After the last update from testing, rpmbuild broke. rpm-4.2.2-0.7. You're most likely hitting bug #112643. Either downgrade back to -0.6 or apply fix and rebuild. // kaj From tmwg-fedorat at inxservices.com Sun Dec 28 21:43:31 2003 From: tmwg-fedorat at inxservices.com (George Garvey) Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 13:43:31 -0800 Subject: rpmbuild broken In-Reply-To: <1072647273.415.1.camel@wednesday.pricegrabber.com> References: <20031228205607.GA19916@inxservices.com> <1072647273.415.1.camel@wednesday.pricegrabber.com> Message-ID: <20031228214331.GB19916@inxservices.com> On Sun, Dec 28, 2003 at 01:34:34PM -0800, Christopher McCrory wrote: > Hello... > > > On Sun, 2003-12-28 at 12:56, George Garvey wrote: > > After the last update from testing, rpmbuild broke. rpm-4.2.2-0.7. > > python-2.3.3-1. I've tried going backwards with a few packages, and nothing > > seems to make a difference. Don't know enough about rpm to do much > > diagnosis. > > Through -bi is okay. With -ba, on very rare occasions finishes, > > sometimes hangs, usually segfaults. It appears to be having problems with > > the debug info. I don't know how to turn off debuginfo processing, which is > > where I suspect the problem is. > > in: > ~/.rpmmacros > add: > %debug_package %{nil} Thank you very much. I did this, and rpmbuild finishes now. This looks like where the problem is, then. On a separate note, where is this documented? Just looked through what comes with rpm, and only see it mentioned in CHANGES. From tmwg-fedorat at inxservices.com Sun Dec 28 21:51:37 2003 From: tmwg-fedorat at inxservices.com (George Garvey) Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 13:51:37 -0800 Subject: rpmbuild broken In-Reply-To: <200312282140.hBSLe8CY006445@melissa.a51.org> References: <20031228205607.GA19916@inxservices.com> <200312282140.hBSLe8CY006445@melissa.a51.org> Message-ID: <20031228215137.GC19916@inxservices.com> On Sun, Dec 28, 2003 at 11:40:08PM +0200, Kaj J. Niemi wrote: > > After the last update from testing, rpmbuild broke. rpm-4.2.2-0.7. > > You're most likely hitting bug #112643. Either downgrade back to -0.6 > or apply fix > and rebuild. My mistake. I really thought I'd trying downgrading. I very much appreciate the assistance. I've really GOT to learn to search bugzilla well ;) From ojgbagg27ab at msn.com Mon Dec 29 01:54:10 2003 From: ojgbagg27ab at msn.com (alton bailey) Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 20:54:10 -0500 Subject: kernel source Message-ID: I am trying to install kernel source 2.6.0.1.104 and I got an error message kernel source 2.6.0.1.104 require gtk2-devel kernel source 2.6.0.1.104 require qt-devel can some one point me to these packages I have look ant the fedora site but no luck From jent at spicylemons.com Mon Dec 29 03:44:20 2003 From: jent at spicylemons.com (Mike Jensen) Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 20:44:20 -0700 Subject: kernel source In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200312282044.20327.jent@spicylemons.com> Not sure what versions it is looking for but maybe you can search www.rpmfind.net On Sunday 28 December 2003 18:54, alton bailey wrote: > I am trying to install kernel source 2.6.0.1.104 and I got an error message > kernel source 2.6.0.1.104 require gtk2-devel > kernel source 2.6.0.1.104 require qt-devel can some one point me to these > packages I have look ant the fedora site but no luck > > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list -- Cheers, Mike Jensen jent at spicylemons.com cell at spicylemons.com irc.acidchat.net www.spicylemons.com From alexander.dalloz at uni-bielefeld.de Mon Dec 29 05:06:47 2003 From: alexander.dalloz at uni-bielefeld.de (Alexander Dalloz) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2003 06:06:47 +0100 Subject: kernel source In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1072674407.30661.97.camel@sirendipity.dogma.lan> Am Mo, den 29.12.2003 schrieb alton bailey um 02:54: > I am trying to install kernel source 2.6.0.1.104 and I got an error message > kernel source 2.6.0.1.104 require gtk2-devel > kernel source 2.6.0.1.104 require qt-devel can some one point me to these > packages I have look ant the fedora site but no luck 1) http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/1/i386/os/Fedora/RPMS/qt-devel-3.1.2-14.i386.rpm 2) http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/1/i386/os/Fedora/RPMS/gtk2-devel-2.2.4-5.1.i386.rpm What is so hard to find it? For easiest install just type in on console/xterm: up2date-nox -i qt-devel gtk2-devel Alexander -- Alexander Dalloz | Enger, Germany PGP key valid: made 13.07.1999 PGP fingerprint: 2307 88FD 2D41 038E 7416 14CD E197 6E88 ED69 5653 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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For easiest install just type in on >console/xterm: > >up2date-nox -i qt-devel gtk2-devel > >Alexander > > >-- >Alexander Dalloz | Enger, Germany >PGP key valid: made 13.07.1999 >PGP fingerprint: 2307 88FD 2D41 038E 7416 14CD E197 6E88 ED69 5653 ><< signature.asc >> From keithgoode at gci.net Mon Dec 29 06:37:14 2003 From: keithgoode at gci.net (Keith Goode) Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 21:37:14 -0900 Subject: A Newbie with 2135 and trying to install NVIDIA 4496 or 5328 Message-ID: <1072679834.4540.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> OK, this is how far I have got and can't get any further... Help! Arghhhhh! I put the system at runlevel at 3, logged in as root, and ran the .run pkg for either the 4496 or 5328.. No matter what, it tells me it does not know where my kernel (or I need to recompile...) is and wants me to include --kernel-include-path... I know I have 2135, but, does anyone know what I am supposed to do? This is the first time I have ever run Linux at all, and I do not know anything! At least the Fedora installation went easy enough for me to understand, I even kept Windows 2000 on board! Thanks, Keith Goode From alexander.dalloz at uni-bielefeld.de Mon Dec 29 06:51:56 2003 From: alexander.dalloz at uni-bielefeld.de (Alexander Dalloz) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2003 07:51:56 +0100 Subject: A Newbie with 2135 and trying to install NVIDIA 4496 or 5328 In-Reply-To: <1072679834.4540.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1072679834.4540.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1072680716.30661.126.camel@sirendipity.dogma.lan> Am Mo, den 29.12.2003 schrieb Keith Goode um 07:37: > OK, this is how far I have got and can't get any further... Help! > Arghhhhh! > > I put the system at runlevel at 3, logged in as root, and ran the .run > pkg for either the 4496 or 5328.. No matter what, it tells me it does > not know where my kernel (or I need to recompile...) is and wants me to > include --kernel-include-path... > I know I have 2135, but, does anyone know what I am supposed to do? > > This is the first time I have ever run Linux at all, and I do not know > anything! At least the Fedora installation went easy enough for me to > understand, I even kept Windows 2000 on board! > > Thanks, > Keith Goode Follow the instructions on: http://fedora.artoo.net/faq/custom_nvidia.html (with this you will have to install the kernel-source first) or install the RPMs from: http://www2.educ.umu.se/~peter/nvidia/ Alexander -- Alexander Dalloz | Enger, Germany PGP key valid: made 13.07.1999 PGP fingerprint: 2307 88FD 2D41 038E 7416 14CD E197 6E88 ED69 5653 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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No matter what, it tells me it does >not know where my kernel (or I need to recompile...) is and wants me to >include --kernel-include-path... >I know I have 2135, but, does anyone know what I am supposed to do? > >This is the first time I have ever run Linux at all, and I do not know >anything! At least the Fedora installation went easy enough for me to >understand, I even kept Windows 2000 on board! > >Thanks, >Keith Goode > > >-- >fedora-test-list mailing list >fedora-test-list at redhat.com >http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > > > Keith, I have not had you problem but I have had a lot of problems with 2135 modules. So I have gone back to 2129, till I can compile my own 2135. Scott From jpearl24 at cox.net Mon Dec 29 15:19:07 2003 From: jpearl24 at cox.net (jason pearl) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2003 08:19:07 -0700 Subject: A Newbie with 2135 and trying to install NVIDIA 4496 or 5328 In-Reply-To: <3FEFDA6C.8010102@dodo.com.au> References: <1072679834.4540.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> <3FEFDA6C.8010102@dodo.com.au> Message-ID: <1072711147.3569.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2003-12-29 at 00:40, Scott Blackman wrote: > Keith Goode wrote: > > >OK, this is how far I have got and can't get any further... Help! > >Arghhhhh! > > > >I put the system at runlevel at 3, logged in as root, and ran the .run > >pkg for either the 4496 or 5328.. No matter what, it tells me it does > >not know where my kernel (or I need to recompile...) is and wants me to > >include --kernel-include-path... > >I know I have 2135, but, does anyone know what I am supposed to do? > > > >This is the first time I have ever run Linux at all, and I do not know > >anything! At least the Fedora installation went easy enough for me to > >understand, I even kept Windows 2000 on board! > > > >Thanks, > >Keith Goode > > > > you have to have the kernel source installed for the version of the kernel you are using for ex. 2.4.22-1.2135.nptl #1 Mon Dec 15 16:05:26 EST 2003 i686 athlon i386 GNU/Linux use uname -a in terminal to find out what u have .. im sure u already know then install 5328 again... with 2115 it whould have worked flawlessly ... i have nvidia installed now on the 2235 with 5328 :).. -- jason pearl ++++++++++++++++++ "Keep your friends close and your enemies closer"-Tupac ++++++++++++++++++ Kurrupted Visionz Phx, AZ registered linux user #307811 MDK 9.2 Linux http://counter.li.org AMD64 Opteron 1.6 ASUS SK8N -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Regards, Bartolomeus Irwanto > Ijust upgrade my kernel from 2.6.0.1.104 to > 2.6.0.1.107 and then reboot my > system and I got the following error kernel panic: > vfs unable to mount fs on > unknown -block(0,0) what could be the cause of that > an how to solve that > problem > > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree From rnix at prometheon.net Tue Dec 30 17:32:09 2003 From: rnix at prometheon.net (Ryan Nix) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 11:32:09 -0600 Subject: Fedora 2.6 kernel problems Message-ID: <3FF1B699.4020403@prometheon.net> Hello, Someone posted a reply/fix to this yesterday and unfortunately, I deleted it. :-[ I get a kernel panic: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on hda2. I believe the fix had something to do with the grub.conf file. Can anyone offer any pointers? Thanks in advance! Ryan From cliff at villagevisions.com Tue Dec 30 19:51:56 2003 From: cliff at villagevisions.com (Cliff Kent) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 14:51:56 -0500 Subject: Fedora 2.6 kernel problems In-Reply-To: <3FF1B699.4020403@prometheon.net> References: <3FF1B699.4020403@prometheon.net> Message-ID: <3FF1D75C.4020104@villagevisions.com> I have this from yesterday. Hope it's what you want. --------------< snip >---------------- try root=/dev/hdax in grub.conf, hdax is your root partition. I hope it works. Regards, Bartolomeus Irwanto >> Ijust upgrade my kernel from 2.6.0.1.104 to >> 2.6.0.1.107 and then reboot my >> system and I got the following error kernel panic: >> vfs unable to mount fs on >> unknown -block(0,0) what could be the cause of that >> an how to solve that >> problem >> >> >> >> -- >> fedora-test-list mailing list >> fedora-test-list at redhat.com >> From ojgbagg27ab at msn.com Wed Dec 31 03:52:36 2003 From: ojgbagg27ab at msn.com (alton bailey) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 22:52:36 -0500 Subject: Fedora 2.6 kernel problems Message-ID: that did not work for me and i tried /dev/hda instead and I still get panic VFS : Mounted root (ext2 filesystem) VFS : Cannot open root device "LABLE=/dev/hdax or unknown-block(0,0) kernel panic: vfs unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0) >From: Cliff Kent >Reply-To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com >To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com >Subject: Re: Fedora 2.6 kernel problems >Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 14:51:56 -0500 > >I have this from yesterday. Hope it's what you want. > >--------------< snip >---------------- > >try root=/dev/hdax in grub.conf, hdax is your root >partition. >I hope it works. > >Regards, >Bartolomeus Irwanto > > > > >> Ijust upgrade my kernel from 2.6.0.1.104 to > >> 2.6.0.1.107 and then reboot my > >> system and I got the following error kernel panic: > >> vfs unable to mount fs on > >> unknown -block(0,0) what could be the cause of that > >> an how to solve that > >> problem > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> fedora-test-list mailing list > >> fedora-test-list at redhat.com > >> > > >-- >fedora-test-list mailing list >fedora-test-list at redhat.com >http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From joe at tmsusa.com Wed Dec 31 03:59:34 2003 From: joe at tmsusa.com (joe) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 19:59:34 -0800 Subject: Fedora 2.6 kernel problems In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3FF249A6.5040800@tmsusa.com> alton bailey wrote: > that did not work for me and i tried /dev/hda instead and I still get > panic > VFS : Mounted root (ext2 filesystem) > VFS : Cannot open root device "LABLE=/dev/hdax or unknown-block(0,0) > kernel panic: vfs unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0) No, that should be root=/dev/hdax, not "LABEL=/dev/hdax" Working fine here - Here is the grub stanza - title Red Hat Linux (2.6.0-mm1) root (hd0,2) kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.0-mm1 ro root=/dev/hda3 Joe From maxer1 at xmission.com Wed Dec 31 04:03:45 2003 From: maxer1 at xmission.com (RaXeT) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 21:03:45 -0700 Subject: Fedora 2.6 kernel problems In-Reply-To: <3FF1D75C.4020104@villagevisions.com> References: <3FF1B699.4020403@prometheon.net> <3FF1D75C.4020104@villagevisions.com> Message-ID: <3FF24AA1.2000702@xmission.com> Cliff Kent wrote: > I have this from yesterday. Hope it's what you want. > > --------------< snip >---------------- > > try root=/dev/hdax in grub.conf, hdax is your root > partition. > I hope it works. > > Regards, > Bartolomeus Irwanto > > > > >> Ijust upgrade my kernel from 2.6.0.1.104 to > >> 2.6.0.1.107 and then reboot my > >> system and I got the following error kernel panic: > >> vfs unable to mount fs on > >> unknown -block(0,0) what could be the cause of that > >> an how to solve that > >> problem > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> fedora-test-list mailing list > >> fedora-test-list at redhat.com > >> > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > Your probably running mkinitrd later than 3.5.14-1! I had the exact same error and came back to mkinitrd-3.5.14-1 and the problem resolved RaXeT From chrismcc at pricegrabber.com Wed Dec 31 04:13:27 2003 From: chrismcc at pricegrabber.com (Christopher McCrory) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 20:13:27 -0800 Subject: Fedora 2.6 kernel problems In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1072844006.10423.3.camel@wednesday.pricegrabber.com> Hello... On Tue, 2003-12-30 at 19:52, alton bailey wrote: > that did not work for me and i tried /dev/hda instead and I still get panic > VFS : Mounted root (ext2 filesystem) > VFS : Cannot open root device "LABLE=/dev/hdax or unknown-block(0,0) LABLE != LABEL > kernel panic: vfs unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0) > > >From: Cliff Kent > >Reply-To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com > >To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com > >Subject: Re: Fedora 2.6 kernel problems > >Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 14:51:56 -0500 > > > >I have this from yesterday. Hope it's what you want. > > > >--------------< snip >---------------- > > > >try root=/dev/hdax in grub.conf, hdax is your root > >partition. > >I hope it works. > > > >Regards, > >Bartolomeus Irwanto > > > > > > > > >> Ijust upgrade my kernel from 2.6.0.1.104 to > > >> 2.6.0.1.107 and then reboot my > > >> system and I got the following error kernel panic: > > >> vfs unable to mount fs on > > >> unknown -block(0,0) what could be the cause of that > > >> an how to solve that > > >> problem > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> -- > > >> fedora-test-list mailing list > > >> fedora-test-list at redhat.com > > >> > > > > > >-- > >fedora-test-list mailing list > >fedora-test-list at redhat.com > >http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list -- Christopher McCrory "The guy that keeps the servers running" chrismcc at pricegrabber.com http://www.pricegrabber.com Let's face it, there's no Hollow Earth, no robots, and no 'mute rays.' And even if there were, waxed paper is no defense. I tried it. Only tinfoil works. From ojgbagg27ab at msn.com Wed Dec 31 05:28:19 2003 From: ojgbagg27ab at msn.com (alton bailey) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 00:28:19 -0500 Subject: Fedora 2.6 kernel problems Message-ID: Here is the grub stanza - >title Fedora Core(2.6.0-1.107) > root (hd0,2) > kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.0-mm1 ro root=/dev/hda2 This is what I use ro root=/dev/hda2 and it works Thanks for the help >From: joe >Reply-To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com >To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com >Subject: Re: Fedora 2.6 kernel problems >Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 19:59:34 -0800 > >alton bailey wrote: > >>that did not work for me and i tried /dev/hda instead and I still get >>panic >>VFS : Mounted root (ext2 filesystem) >>VFS : Cannot open root device "LABLE=/dev/hdax or unknown-block(0,0) >>kernel panic: vfs unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0) > >No, that should be root=/dev/hdax, not "LABEL=/dev/hdax" > >Working fine here - > >Here is the grub stanza - >title Red Hat Linux (2.6.0-mm1) > root (hd0,2) > kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.0-mm1 ro root=/dev/hda3 > > >Joe > > > >-- >fedora-test-list mailing list >fedora-test-list at redhat.com >http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From mail.sw.rh.rhl.beta at spam.fi.basen.net Wed Dec 31 11:45:57 2003 From: mail.sw.rh.rhl.beta at spam.fi.basen.net (Kaj J. Niemi) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 13:45:57 +0200 Subject: Fedora 2.6 kernel problems References: <3FF1B699.4020403@prometheon.net> Message-ID: <200312311145.hBVBjv8D004026@aurora.a51.org> > I get a kernel panic: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on hda2. I believe > the fix had something to do with the grub.conf file. Most likely bug #112623, take a look at for more information or search the list archives. :) // kaj