From fedora-test-list at hourfollowshour.org Wed Oct 1 00:11:15 2003 From: fedora-test-list at hourfollowshour.org (Fedora-Test-List) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 20:11:15 -0400 (EDT) Subject: RH9 -> Test2 upgrade kernel issue, lilo Message-ID: <32865.216.254.115.235.1064967075.squirrel@www.insue.com> Hello all. Sorry if this has been covered already, so far in my search I haven't found anything on it. I recently upgrade from RH9 to Fedora test2 on my Vaio Laptop (R505TS). I upgraded using the boot disk / network driver disk using ISO's over NFS on my local network. I choose upgrade. When I booted I looked for /proc/sys/vm/laptop_mode, but it wasn't there. I realized that my kernel that was booted was my custom RH9 2.4.22 kernel, and not a new Fedora kernel. My previous RH9 was running lilo so I looked in /etc/lilo.conf, the following is shown: prompt timeout=50 default=Linux boot=/dev/hda map=/boot/map install=/boot/boot.b message=/boot/message lba32 image=/boot/vmlinuz-2.4.22-1.2061.nptl label=2.4.22-1.2061.n read-only append="root=LABEL=/" initrd=/boot/initrd-2.4.22-1.2061.nptl.img image=/boot/vmlinuz-2.4.22-lms3 label=Linux read-only append="root=/dev/hda5" other=/dev/hda1 optional label=DOS Now the problem is, when I hit TAB during the boot prompt, I only see Linux and DOS listed. OK, that is fine, I need to run lilo as root. I do that and I get this message: # lilo Fatal: open /boot/message: No such file or directory If I should be using GRUB how would I switch over to it (note, I haven't read the docs on this yet just asking here incase it is a easy deal) Any help or direction would be appreciated, thanks ... (Please cc me on your reply as I'm in the digest mode) Louis From kevin at ucsd.edu Wed Oct 1 00:11:54 2003 From: kevin at ucsd.edu (Kevin Bowen) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 17:11:54 -0700 Subject: upgrading rh9+3rd party rpms In-Reply-To: <1064949475.18345.4.camel@mirkwood.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: Ok, so before installing fedora, I want to downgrade all my packages to their rh9 versions, so that I don't end up with a partial fedora install (mixed fedora/3rd party packages) due to some of the 3rd party packages being the same version numbers as their fedora counterparts)... would 'rpm --freshen --oldpackage *.rpm' do the trick (from my rh9 cd's rpm directory)? The reason I'm worrying so much about this, in case anyone is wondering, is that some of the gnome 2.4 packages from the nyquist repository seem to be packaged sloppily and cause problems for me, so I want to make sure they all get replaced by fedora, and not just screwed up even further by another layer of repository-mixing. -----Original Message----- From: fedora-test-list-admin at redhat.com [mailto:fedora-test-list-admin at redhat.com]On Behalf Of Jeremy Katz Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2003 12:18 PM To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com Subject: RE: upgrading rh9+3rd party rpms On Tue, 2003-09-30 at 14:46, Kevin Bowen wrote: > Anyone have any ideas though on my question? Can anyone tell me how the > Fedora upgrade install deals with non-redhat packages on a system? Will it > clobber them (hopefully)? If the versions in Fedora are greater than the version already installed, then it will get upgraded. Otherwise it will be left as is. Jeremy -- fedora-test-list mailing list fedora-test-list at redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From JDrabb at tampabay.rr.com Wed Oct 1 00:13:50 2003 From: JDrabb at tampabay.rr.com (Jim Drabb) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 20:13:50 -0400 Subject: Fedora Core Test 2 full screen issues Message-ID: <1064967230.20039.4.camel@keelie.tampabay.rr.com> Can anyone run mpalyer/gmplayer in full screen under 0.94 in Gnome? It used to work fine in RH 9. I tried to watch a DVD and an mpeg at full screen, however the panel at the top of the screen stays on top. If I remove that panel and put it anywhere else, it works fine. Are there any settings to make this panel NOT topmost? Jim Drabb -- James Drabb Senior Programmer Analyst Davenport, FL USA JDrabb_REMOVE at tampabay.rr.com From fedora-test-list at hourfollowshour.org Wed Oct 1 00:37:45 2003 From: fedora-test-list at hourfollowshour.org (Fedora-Test-List) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 20:37:45 -0400 (EDT) Subject: RH9 -> Test2 upgrade kernel issue, lilo In-Reply-To: <32865.216.254.115.235.1064967075.squirrel@www.insue.com> References: <32865.216.254.115.235.1064967075.squirrel@www.insue.com> Message-ID: <1924.216.254.115.235.1064968665.squirrel@www.insue.com> Ah the wonders of IRC. Dant on freenode.net #fedora was able to help me out with this, aparently /boot/messages (logos?) was a RedHat thing that isn't there after the test2 upgrade, commenting out that line from /etc/lilo.conf allowed me to run 'lilo' with success. Booting into the Kernel on a Vaio R505TS in the Docking Station still caused a problem, booting hung on the FireWire line. Pulling the laptop out of the docking station (which the laptop connects to from the bottom via a firewire interface) lets me boot into the new kernel no problem. Wahoo! Louis > Hello all. Sorry if this has been covered already, so far in my search > I haven't found anything on it. > > I recently upgrade from RH9 to Fedora test2 on my Vaio Laptop (R505TS). > I upgraded using the boot disk / network driver disk using ISO's over > NFS on my local network. I choose upgrade. > > When I booted I looked for /proc/sys/vm/laptop_mode, but it wasn't > there. I realized that my kernel that was booted was my custom RH9 > 2.4.22 kernel, and not a new Fedora kernel. My previous RH9 was running > lilo so I looked in /etc/lilo.conf, the following is shown: > prompt > timeout=50 > default=Linux > boot=/dev/hda > map=/boot/map > install=/boot/boot.b > message=/boot/message > lba32 > > image=/boot/vmlinuz-2.4.22-1.2061.nptl > label=2.4.22-1.2061.n > read-only > append="root=LABEL=/" > initrd=/boot/initrd-2.4.22-1.2061.nptl.img > > image=/boot/vmlinuz-2.4.22-lms3 > label=Linux > read-only > append="root=/dev/hda5" > > other=/dev/hda1 > optional > label=DOS > > Now the problem is, when I hit TAB during the boot prompt, I only see > Linux and DOS listed. OK, that is fine, I need to run lilo as root. I > do that and I get this message: > > # lilo > Fatal: open /boot/message: No such file or directory > > If I should be using GRUB how would I switch over to it (note, I haven't > read the docs on this yet just asking here incase it is a easy deal) > > Any help or direction would be appreciated, thanks ... > (Please cc me on your reply as I'm in the digest mode) > > Louis From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Wed Oct 1 00:45:29 2003 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 20:45:29 -0400 Subject: anaconda performance thoughts [Re: ANNOUNCE: Severn Test 2 Anaconda Updates Image Available] In-Reply-To: References: <1064870504.1771.31.camel@avatar.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1064969129.32323.7.camel@binkley> On Tue, 2003-09-30 at 19:18, Matt Bernstein wrote: > On Sep 29 Michael Fulbright wrote: > > >The amount of feedback we've received for the Fedora Core Severn Test 2 > >has been impressive. The anaconda team appreciates the time everyone > >has taken to test anaconda. > > Not strictly related, but I've been thinking for a while now that most > people do CD installs and watch the CD LED flash, then the HDD LED. > This alternating is a bottleneck which I guess can be reduced by either > or both of: > do most people install off of cd? I wish there was a way to measure that. I might be spoiled but I've gotten used to network installs. -sv From redhat-jc at insight.rr.com Wed Oct 1 01:07:00 2003 From: redhat-jc at insight.rr.com (Jim Cornette) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 21:07:00 -0400 Subject: Fedora Test 2 will not log in to Gnome? In-Reply-To: <9059DDFC-F38D-11D7-941A-000393C34F68@mac.com> References: <9059DDFC-F38D-11D7-941A-000393C34F68@mac.com> Message-ID: <3F7A28B4.1090504@insight.rr.com> Sean Earp wrote: > Hello all- > > I have not been able to install Fedora Test 2 since it came out (RH 9 > and Severn Beta 1 worked just fine). Today I tried installation with > the updated Anaconda, and it works. (great!) > > However, on the first boot after installation, I can not log on to the > Gnome desktop. KDE works just fine. The interesting thing is that I > chose the customized install, and had Gnome checked, and KDE UNCHECKED. > Just in case I missed something, I have formatted the drive 3 times and > reinstalled, making SURE that gnome was selected, and KDE was not. When > I attempt to log in to gnome, the screen exhibits the same behavior as > if i choose the "restart X Server" option on the login screen. Is > anyone else experiencing this? Can someone give me the command line > option to verify that Gnome is even installed? (I'm a linux newbie, so > be gentle) Any assistance would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, > > -Sean > > When I installed Severn beta1, I could not get GNOME to get further than the splash screen startup. This problem was related to the interaction with my 3Com ethernet. After the card was replaced with a 2 yr newer 3com NIC GNOME, Mozilla and a host of other problems went away. My guess is that GNOME is outputting to /dev/lockup (in my case it was my NIC). Basically, I assume that the program is outputting, but not even to a bit bucket (AKA - like windows blue screen.) You might have some hardware conflicts which are causing GNOME not to start. I filed but closed three inactive bugs which GNOME was a casualty. I got rid of the NIC so the bug is mre for informational, just in case anything was useful, within my GNOME problem. Have you tried to boot into int level 3 and start GNOME with startx? I am curious if you see the splash screen, then GNOME goes no further. Run the below from a terminal, just to be safe. I take it that you are using kdm, gdm or some graphical login manager. switchdesk gnome startx Getting into text mode, multiuser was discussed earlier. Hope it points you to why GNOME fails for you. KDE is my failsafe windows manager. I like the bluecurve changes to it. I install both. Jim -- The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth. -- Niels Bohr From mhowell at northlink.com Wed Oct 1 02:14:41 2003 From: mhowell at northlink.com (Mark Howell) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 19:14:41 -0700 Subject: anaconda performance thoughts [Re: ANNOUNCE: Severn Test 2Anaconda Updates Image Available] In-Reply-To: <1064969129.32323.7.camel@binkley> Message-ID: <004101c387c1$c7535130$0181a8c0@icontrolinc.com> [snip] > > do most people install off of cd? > > I wish there was a way to measure that. > > I might be spoiled but I've gotten used to network installs. > > -sv > FWIW, My modus operandi for betas is this: 1) Fetch the ISOs from somewhere. With my net link this is pretty quick. 2) Burn the CDs. 3) Back up interesting stuff in my home dirs. 4) Install fresh RHL from CDs. I usually install all pkgs, call me silly. 5) Restore my home dirs. 6) Register with RHN and use up2date for distro patches. At this point I'm very close to the vanilla distro so I have minimal maintenance overhead and max likelihood that everything works together. 7) Fetch source or RPMs or patches for stuff I'm particularly interested in that isn't part of the distro, such as ARM cross-compile toolchain for my Zaurus, and if it's broken, work it till it does what I want. 8) File bugs when I find 'em (including one of them just fixed in the anaconda update pushed out yesterday). 9) Rinse and repeat when the next release is available. I would think that many relative newbies fiddling with the beta play this way. Mark. From daniel-wittenberg at starken.com Wed Oct 1 03:13:45 2003 From: daniel-wittenberg at starken.com (Daniel Wittenberg) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 22:13:45 -0500 Subject: stupid apt problem Message-ID: <1064977979.16240.3.camel@hawk.wittenberg.org> I just decided to update my RH 9 laptop to fedora 9.0.93. I've used apt-rpm many times, so familiar with that, just never done an apt-get dist-upgrade before. So I download the Fedora apt RPM, install ok, but try to apt-get update from any sites, and I get a lot of: "Failed to fetch ftp://.... Size mismatch" errors and of course then trying apt-get dist-upgrade fails miserably. When doing an apt-get dist-upgrade you put the version you want to upgrade to, right? (/pub/linux/fedora/fedora redhat/9.0.93/i386 os stable updates) I know this is probably something stupid...or is it easier to download the .iso's and do it that way? It seemed from the webpage the "proper" way to do it was via apt so I thought I'd try. Thanks, Dan -- ============================= Daniel Wittenberg RHCE+AS/IBM Certified Specialist President/CTO The Starken Group http://www.starken.com From jrmizell at earthlink.net Wed Oct 1 03:23:48 2003 From: jrmizell at earthlink.net (John Mizell) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 22:23:48 -0500 Subject: stupid apt problem In-Reply-To: <1064977979.16240.3.camel@hawk.wittenberg.org> References: <1064977979.16240.3.camel@hawk.wittenberg.org> Message-ID: <1064978628.9789.12.camel@supernova> you should just download ftp://ftp.dulug.duke.edu/pub/redhat/linux/beta/severn/en/os/i386/RedHat/RPMS/redhat-release-0.94-2.rpm from this or any ftp site with the test core files and then do up2date and it should load the updates for you. John Mizell On Tue, 2003-09-30 at 22:13, Daniel Wittenberg wrote: > I just decided to update my RH 9 laptop to fedora 9.0.93. I've used > apt-rpm many times, so familiar with that, just never done an apt-get > dist-upgrade before. So I download the Fedora apt RPM, install ok, but > try to apt-get update from any sites, and I get a lot of: > "Failed to fetch ftp://.... Size mismatch" errors > > and of course then trying apt-get dist-upgrade fails miserably. When > doing an apt-get dist-upgrade you put the version you want to upgrade > to, right? (/pub/linux/fedora/fedora redhat/9.0.93/i386 os stable > updates) > > I know this is probably something stupid...or is it easier to download > the .iso's and do it that way? It seemed from the webpage the "proper" > way to do it was via apt so I thought I'd try. > > Thanks, > Dan -- John Mizell From jspaleta at princeton.edu Wed Oct 1 03:28:56 2003 From: jspaleta at princeton.edu (Jef Spaleta) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 23:28:56 -0400 Subject: stupid apt problem Message-ID: <1064978935.26601.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> Daniel Wittenberg wrote: > I know this is probably something stupid...or is it easier to download > the .iso's and do it that way? It seemed from the webpage the "proper" > way to do it was via apt so I thought I'd try. Which webpage gave you that impression? I would dare say that the idea that apt is the preferred upgrade method at this time is way off the mark. Unless something significant has changed....anaconda, the installer on the iso image, was/is/will be the upgrade method and got/gets/will get the testing priority during the test phase...and thus will be the expected upgrade path when upgrading from official release to official release. As far as I can tell....apt and yum can be used to upgrade from official release to official release but its a worksforme kind of situation. The expectation I'm working under is that anaconda is the expected upgrade path and anaconda is what testers need to test as a priority. -jef"i'd love to be wrong..."spaleta -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From hp at redhat.com Wed Oct 1 03:45:10 2003 From: hp at redhat.com (Havoc Pennington) Date: 30 Sep 2003 23:45:10 -0400 Subject: Fedora Core Test 2 full screen issues In-Reply-To: <1064967230.20039.4.camel@keelie.tampabay.rr.com> References: <1064967230.20039.4.camel@keelie.tampabay.rr.com> Message-ID: <1064979909.13480.131.camel@dhcppc3> On Tue, 2003-09-30 at 20:13, Jim Drabb wrote: > Can anyone run mpalyer/gmplayer in full screen under 0.94 in Gnome? It > used to work fine in RH 9. I tried to watch a DVD and an mpeg at full > screen, however the panel at the top of the screen stays on top. If I > remove that panel and put it anywhere else, it works fine. Are there > any settings to make this panel NOT topmost? > It's just a bug, unclear if it's metacity or mplayer at fault. Havoc From katzj at redhat.com Wed Oct 1 04:09:35 2003 From: katzj at redhat.com (Jeremy Katz) Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 00:09:35 -0400 Subject: anaconda performance thoughts [Re: ANNOUNCE: Severn Test 2 Anaconda Updates Image Available] In-Reply-To: References: <1064870504.1771.31.camel@avatar.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1064981375.3670.5.camel@edoras.local.net> On Tue, 2003-09-30 at 19:18, Matt Bernstein wrote: > 1. introduce extra threads to pre-cache the next files from install media > (may be a help over the network too) while current RPM is installing We've discussed this some -- it's a little tricky to pull off sanely with all of the shenanigans necessary to keep bad CDs from causing tracebacks (and I can point to piles of bugs in previous releases until this is finally, I think hopefully, knock on wood, right now). I also continue to think that the caching is going to trash things more and cause the actual package installation that's occurring + whatever %post (especially ldconfig) to be that much slower. Unfortunately, that's just a gut feeling that I can't back up until I have some spare time to do some dirt simple proof of concept benchmarking. > 2. mount the ext3 target volumes ext2 while installing (this could still > apply in days of dir_index and ACLs) We used to do this in the 7.2 timeframe, but the time difference on an install was negligible. > Is Bugzilla the place for these ideas? Well, bugzilla's not great for discussion, really. If you have patches... ;) Discussion is easier to have either here or on anaconda-devel-list. Or even on IRC, though that's less good from an archival stance. Cheers, Jeremy From kaboom at gatech.edu Wed Oct 1 04:40:16 2003 From: kaboom at gatech.edu (Chris Ricker) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 22:40:16 -0600 (MDT) Subject: Fedora Core Test 2 full screen issues In-Reply-To: <1064979909.13480.131.camel@dhcppc3> References: <1064967230.20039.4.camel@keelie.tampabay.rr.com> <1064979909.13480.131.camel@dhcppc3> Message-ID: On Tue, 30 Sep 2003, Havoc Pennington wrote: > On Tue, 2003-09-30 at 20:13, Jim Drabb wrote: > > Can anyone run mpalyer/gmplayer in full screen under 0.94 in Gnome? It > > used to work fine in RH 9. I tried to watch a DVD and an mpeg at full > > screen, however the panel at the top of the screen stays on top. If I > > remove that panel and put it anywhere else, it works fine. Are there > > any settings to make this panel NOT topmost? > > > > It's just a bug, unclear if it's metacity or mplayer at fault. with other window managers (I'm back to openbox -- tired of fighting metacity's broken focus-follows-mouse), it doesn't have this problem later, chris From lorenzo at prince.homelinux.org Wed Oct 1 04:47:22 2003 From: lorenzo at prince.homelinux.org (Lorenzo Prince) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 00:47:22 -0400 Subject: searching for packages w/yum Message-ID: <20031001044722.GA22632@prince.homelinux.org> Hi all, Is there a yum equivalent to apt-cache search Msearcg-term> The manpage doesn't seem to show a way to do this. If this isn't available, is it in the works for the future? Should I file a request w/ RH or the yum developers to add such a feature? Prince From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Wed Oct 1 05:06:52 2003 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 01:06:52 -0400 Subject: searching for packages w/yum In-Reply-To: <20031001044722.GA22632@prince.homelinux.org> References: <20031001044722.GA22632@prince.homelinux.org> Message-ID: <1064984812.32323.112.camel@binkley> On Wed, 2003-10-01 at 00:47, Lorenzo Prince wrote: > Hi all, > Is there a yum equivalent to apt-cache search Msearcg-term> > The manpage doesn't seem to show a way to do this. If this isn't > available, is it in the works for the future? Should > I file a request w/ RH or the yum developers to add such a feature? > it's known - there are a lot of misc features in the works - there are a fair number of infrastructural changes underway w/i yum that are holding up some of the user-exposed features. you can do wildcard searches to list and info in yum yum list foo\* for example -sv From ksm451 at juno.com Wed Oct 1 05:46:17 2003 From: ksm451 at juno.com (ksm451 at juno.com) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 05:46:17 GMT Subject: RHN Message-ID: <20030930.224643.11455.13234@webmail12.lax.untd.com> Icannot register my system at RHN,though i've got an account with RHN.Anytime I want to register through Update it fails.what might be the cause. paul ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! From pekkas at netcore.fi Wed Oct 1 05:56:25 2003 From: pekkas at netcore.fi (Pekka Savola) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 08:56:25 +0300 (EEST) Subject: dri xscreensaver/kernel lockups Message-ID: Hi, A huge number of (probably DRI -related) xscreensaver lockups (especially with screensavers with a lot of 3D effects) have been reported in the past; check a list e.g. from: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=84214 (I tried to collect a few I found there). 1) have folks tested whether these still persist in Fedora Core as well? 2) is there any hope of getting these bugs fixed? b) if one wants a workaround, just simply removing "too flashy" screensavers might help .. but then the bugs would not get fixed ;-) -- Pekka Savola "You each name yourselves king, yet the Netcore Oy kingdom bleeds." Systems. Networks. Security. -- George R.R. Martin: A Clash of Kings From seanc at tech-access.com Wed Oct 1 06:10:06 2003 From: seanc at tech-access.com (Sean Craig) Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 10:10:06 +0400 Subject: How do ou get modules like ac and barrerty to load at boot time? In-Reply-To: <20030929184332.A32736@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <3F774400.2090207@skmoore.com> <20030929013616.N25283@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1064826287.19239.4.camel@suburbia> <20030929184332.A32736@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <3F7A6FBE.5000202@tech-access.com> Hey Guys, If you take a look at /etc/rc.d/init.d/acpid, you will notice that only the 'button' module is loaded at startup. If you add the other modules (found at /lib/modules/`uname -r`/kernel/drivers/acpi) before starting the acpid then everything should work quite nicely. Of course you must specify acpi=on as a kernel option. rgds Sean Craig Bill Nottingham wrote: >Joshua Legbandt (jtlegbandt at earthlink.net) said: > > >>Thinking about it further, I was going to write an initscript that >>detected whether acpi=on was passed to the kernel via grub and then load >>the appropraite acpi modules for my system. >> >> > > >if [ -d /proc/acpi ]; then > for module in /lib/modules/uname -r/kernel/drivers/acpi/* ; do > insmod $module > done >fi > >Bill > > >-- >fedora-test-list mailing list >fedora-test-list at redhat.com >http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > From per at bothner.com Wed Oct 1 06:30:31 2003 From: per at bothner.com (Per Bothner) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 23:30:31 -0700 Subject: can't install on asus a7n8x In-Reply-To: <3F774D84.3080802@wanadoo.es> References: <200309281731.h8SHVYA07509@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <3F7747D5.9050207@bothner.com> <3F774D84.3080802@wanadoo.es> Message-ID: <3F7A7487.2090700@bothner.com> Xose Vazquez Perez wrote: > Usually memory modules get life time warranty, consulte it. Fry's replaced the memory without charge, and that seems to have fixed it. After replacing the memory, I installed 0.94 without problem, and I've done a gcc boostrap and test. (The latter didn't show the speed-up I expected, but it is possible I need a faster disk than the old UDMA/33 disk in there now.) I had tried using the old memory and specifying badram=, but that didn't help. However, I'm not 100% sure that was just because of the bad memory. It lools like the disc1 I downloaded from mirrors.kernel.org was corrupted (it didn't match the MD5SUM, even when downloading it to a completely different machine). Plus I have suspicions of the cd drive. Anyway, 0.94 seems to be running well. I've found a couple of bugs that I'll report on bugzilla. (X11 doesn't recognize the serial mouse that it did recognize during installation; rdhat-config-services hangs if you start-stop-start vsftpd.) -- --Per Bothner per at bothner.com http://per.bothner.com/ From djh at iinet.net.au Wed Oct 1 06:45:12 2003 From: djh at iinet.net.au (djh) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 16:45:12 +1000 (EST) Subject: Anyone seeing data corruption like bz#91932 In-Reply-To: <20030930114347.A5049@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 30 Sep 2003, Michael K. Johnson wrote: > There's a bug showing apparant data corruption on IDE: > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=91932 > ... > So, we'd like to ask that anyone else seeing data corruption > running Bonnie++ (or anything else, for that matter) please > report. I'm seeing the same errors and subsequent FS corruption. (#101357) David. From smearp at mac.com Wed Oct 1 06:53:24 2003 From: smearp at mac.com (Sean Earp) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 23:53:24 -0700 Subject: RHN In-Reply-To: <20030930.224643.11455.13234@webmail12.lax.untd.com> Message-ID: On Tuesday, September 30, 2003, at 10:46 PM, ksm451 at juno.com wrote: > > Icannot register my system at RHN,though i've got an account with > RHN.Anytime I want to register through Update it fails.what might be > the cause. > > paul Paul- Are you getting an error message? What version of Red Hat are you using? (Red Hat 9? Fedora Test 2?) We need a bit more information to try to help you out... -Sean From ksm451 at juno.com Wed Oct 1 07:00:38 2003 From: ksm451 at juno.com (ksm451 at juno.com) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 07:00:38 GMT Subject: RHN Message-ID: <20031001.000134.11455.13462@webmail12.lax.untd.com> whats the diffrence between severn-90.93.I downloaded severn from Linuxiso.org and burn them into CD.Is this different from Fedora Test 2,then how do i get Fedora Test 2.I tried using apt-get update,but since my network uses a proxy server,apt-get always failed,even though i've treid putting the proxy setting in apt.conf.More info would be welcomed paul -- Sean Earp wrote: On Tuesday, September 30, 2003, at 10:46 PM, ksm451 at juno.com wrote: > > Icannot register my system at RHN,though i've got an account with > RHN.Anytime I want to register through Update it fails.what might be > the cause. > > paul Paul- Are you getting an error message? What version of Red Hat are you using? (Red Hat 9? Fedora Test 2?) We need a bit more information to try to help you out... -Sean -- fedora-test-list mailing list fedora-test-list at redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! From mingo at redhat.com Wed Oct 1 07:05:23 2003 From: mingo at redhat.com (Ingo Molnar) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 03:05:23 -0400 (EDT) Subject: anaconda performance thoughts [Re: ANNOUNCE: Severn Test 2 Anaconda Updates Image Available] In-Reply-To: <1064981375.3670.5.camel@edoras.local.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 1 Oct 2003, Jeremy Katz wrote: > I also continue to think that the caching is going to trash things more > and cause the actual package installation that's occurring + whatever > %post (especially ldconfig) to be that much slower. Unfortunately, > that's just a gut feeling that I can't back up until I have some spare > time to do some dirt simple proof of concept benchmarking. The biggest rpm we have currently is 40 MB, and the average package size is 1.4 MB. More than half of the total rpm size is in rpms that are smaller than 10 MB. With a 128 MB recommended RAM size this should be problem-free from a caching point of view. Maybe a special rule could be added, to not pre-cache RPMs with a size larger than RAM_size/4. also, if the caching is done by copying the next rpm to HD while the rpm -i of the previous one is running then even if trashing happens, it will happen on the HD level, not on the CDROM level - and it's the CDROM that is the fundamental bottleneck of installs. > > 2. mount the ext3 target volumes ext2 while installing (this could still > > apply in days of dir_index and ACLs) > > We used to do this in the 7.2 timeframe, but the time difference on an > install was negligible. it's not the HD that is keeping up things - it's the non-overlap of CDROM and HD IO that hurts. We use the CDROM, then we use the HD to install the rpm, then we use the CDROM again, etc. - instead of using them in parallel and cutting latencies into half. ext2/ext3 only speeds up the HD access (by a very small amount). Also, ext2/ext3 mostly differs in CPU overhead not IO overhead - and the install-to-hd process is mostly limited by IO latencies (disk seeks). Ingo From pmatilai at welho.com Wed Oct 1 07:18:40 2003 From: pmatilai at welho.com (Panu Matilainen) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 10:18:40 +0300 Subject: stupid apt problem In-Reply-To: <1064977979.16240.3.camel@hawk.wittenberg.org> References: <1064977979.16240.3.camel@hawk.wittenberg.org> Message-ID: <1064992720.3f7a7fd0c1d58@webmail.welho.com> Quoting Daniel Wittenberg : > I just decided to update my RH 9 laptop to fedora 9.0.93. I've used > apt-rpm many times, so familiar with that, just never done an apt-get > dist-upgrade before. So I download the Fedora apt RPM, install ok, but > try to apt-get update from any sites, and I get a lot of: > "Failed to fetch ftp://.... Size mismatch" errors That simply means that either a) the packages on the repository are corrupt/not yet fully downloaded b) download went bad (could be a proxy acting up or whatever) Usually just re-running dist-upgrade will fix the situation (it'll continue the download where it left off the last time, also in case of partially downloaded packages) > > and of course then trying apt-get dist-upgrade fails miserably. When > doing an apt-get dist-upgrade you put the version you want to upgrade > to, right? (/pub/linux/fedora/fedora redhat/9.0.93/i386 os stable > updates) That looks ok otherwise.. BUT at this stage you shouldn't bother with 9.0.93 anymore, upgrade to Fedora Core 0.94 which is the second beta where 9.0.93 was the first. So that'd be " redhat/0.94/i386 os stable updates", for the sites that have apt-enabled FC 0.94 repositories (well, fedora.us does now) > > I know this is probably something stupid...or is it easier to download > the .iso's and do it that way? It seemed from the webpage the "proper" > way to do it was via apt so I thought I'd try. You *can* do it with apt, yum or up2date but the "official" way is to upgrade with anaconda. -- - Panu - From pavelr at coresma.com Wed Oct 1 07:28:25 2003 From: pavelr at coresma.com (Pavel Rosenboim) Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 10:28:25 +0300 Subject: RAM requirements for NFS installation Message-ID: <3F7A8219.5040600@coresma.com> Hi, I installed the FC test2 over NFS (and VNC) on a machine with 128 MB RAM. After partitioning stage I got a message saying that I don't have enough RAM and swap must be activated immediately. Previously, I installed taroon on the same machine and I didn't see such message. Is this a bug or NFS/VNC combination requires more RAM? Pavel. From alexl at redhat.com Wed Oct 1 07:49:07 2003 From: alexl at redhat.com (Alexander Larsson) Date: 01 Oct 2003 09:49:07 +0200 Subject: Fedora Test 2 will not log in to Gnome? In-Reply-To: <3F7A28B4.1090504@insight.rr.com> References: <9059DDFC-F38D-11D7-941A-000393C34F68@mac.com> <3F7A28B4.1090504@insight.rr.com> Message-ID: <1064994547.8497.19.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2003-10-01 at 03:07, Jim Cornette wrote: > Sean Earp wrote: > > Hello all- > > > > I have not been able to install Fedora Test 2 since it came out (RH 9 > > and Severn Beta 1 worked just fine). Today I tried installation with > > the updated Anaconda, and it works. (great!) > > > > However, on the first boot after installation, I can not log on to the > > Gnome desktop. KDE works just fine. The interesting thing is that I > > chose the customized install, and had Gnome checked, and KDE UNCHECKED. > > Just in case I missed something, I have formatted the drive 3 times and > > reinstalled, making SURE that gnome was selected, and KDE was not. When > > I attempt to log in to gnome, the screen exhibits the same behavior as > > if i choose the "restart X Server" option on the login screen. Is > > anyone else experiencing this? Can someone give me the command line > > option to verify that Gnome is even installed? (I'm a linux newbie, so > > be gentle) Any assistance would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, > > > > -Sean > > > > > > When I installed Severn beta1, I could not get GNOME to get further than > the splash screen startup. This problem was related to the interaction > with my 3Com ethernet. After the card was replaced with a 2 yr newer > 3com NIC GNOME, Mozilla and a host of other problems went away. > > My guess is that GNOME is outputting to /dev/lockup (in my case it was > my NIC). Basically, I assume that the program is outputting, but not > even to a bit bucket (AKA - like windows blue screen.) This is very interesting. Was this a 3c590 NIC? If so, i'm getting the same on my card. See https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=98832 It seems to be a kudzu bug, but bill couldn't reproduce it on his 3c590. Getting more data might make this fixable. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Alexander Larsson Red Hat, Inc alexl at redhat.com alla at lysator.liu.se He's a scarfaced Catholic sorceror from the Mississippi delta. She's a tortured French-Canadian soap star with an evil twin sister. They fight crime! From alexl at redhat.com Wed Oct 1 07:49:55 2003 From: alexl at redhat.com (Alexander Larsson) Date: 01 Oct 2003 09:49:55 +0200 Subject: Nautilus in 94 doesn't do all-users In-Reply-To: <1064965651.1194.17.camel@falcon.cc.mala.bc.ca> References: <1064965651.1194.17.camel@falcon.cc.mala.bc.ca> Message-ID: <1064994594.8497.21.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2003-10-01 at 01:47, George Farris wrote: > I have Nautilus 2.4.0 from the Nyquist apt-get repository on one machine > and when I go to applications-all-users:/// I see the menus that all > users get and can modify them. > > Nautilus 2.4.0 from fedora .94 shows a blank screen, bug or missing > feature? We use a different vfolders backend for our gnome because the upstream on is unstable. That may cause this problem. Havoc would know the details. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Alexander Larsson Red Hat, Inc alexl at redhat.com alla at lysator.liu.se He's a short-sighted neurotic filmmaker on his last day in the job. She's a sharp-shooting motormouth doctor from a different time and place. They fight crime! From kmaraas at broadpark.no Wed Oct 1 08:56:23 2003 From: kmaraas at broadpark.no (Kjartan Maraas) Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 10:56:23 +0200 Subject: Evolution under Fedora Core release 0.94 In-Reply-To: <1064936603.1343.2.camel@edoras.local.net> References: <200309301318.h8UDIZre009095@graze.net> <1064936603.1343.2.camel@edoras.local.net> Message-ID: <1064998583.3414.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> tir, 30.09.2003 kl. 17.43 skrev Jeremy Katz: > On Tue, 2003-09-30 at 09:18, Brian Huffman wrote: > > Neither LD_ASSUME_KERNEL=2.4.1 nor 2.2.5 is resolving all issues...This needs a > > correct resolution. > > > > Anyone have an idea what's actually happening? > > Still haven't reproduced on my boxes, but they're all upgraded hydras > really... going to try to get a fresh install on one of my test boxes > this afternoon and try to convince it to happen. > I have the problem too and it only happens the first time I boot the machine and start evolution. It shows the splash screen and loads everything up to and including the calendar component it seems and then it hangs. strace on evolution-wombat gives this: [kmaraas at localhost kmaraas]$ strace -p 3416 Process 3416 attached - interrupt to quit futex(0x8e13308, FUTEX_WAIT, 2, NULL Process 3416 detached gdb on the same: Program received signal SIGINT, Interrupt. [Switching to Thread -1084673920 (LWP 3416)] 0x00d9bc32 in _dl_sysinfo_int80 () from /lib/ld-linux.so.2 (gdb) bt #0 0x00d9bc32 in _dl_sysinfo_int80 () from /lib/ld-linux.so.2 #1 0x003cc7bb in __lll_mutex_lock_wait () from /lib/tls/libpthread.so.0 #2 0x00000d58 in ?? () #3 0x00616c88 in ?? () from /usr/lib/libORBit-2.so.0 #4 0x08e13308 in ?? () #5 0x003c9976 in _L_mutex_lock_26 () from /lib/tls/libpthread.so.0 #6 0x08ec2df0 in ?? () #7 0xbff6b978 in ?? () #8 0x005f7d60 in ORBit_recv_buffer_return_sys_exception () from /usr/lib/libORBit-2.so.0 Previous frame identical to this frame (corrupt stack?) gdb on evolution itself: Program received signal SIGINT, Interrupt. [Switching to Thread -1085040672 (LWP 3414)] 0x00dadc32 in _dl_sysinfo_int80 () from /lib/ld-linux.so.2 (gdb) bt #0 0x00dadc32 in _dl_sysinfo_int80 () from /lib/ld-linux.so.2 #1 0x09e19b67 in poll () from /lib/tls/libc.so.6 #2 0x004b3e46 in g_main_loop_get_context () from /usr/lib/libglib-2.0.so.0 #3 0x004b3276 in g_main_context_dispatch () from /usr/lib/libglib-2.0.so.0 #4 0x004b352c in g_main_context_iteration () from /usr/lib/libglib-2.0.so.0 #5 0x00370ba9 in link_main_iteration () from /usr/lib/libORBit-2.so.0 #6 0x0035354c in giop_recv_buffer_get () from /usr/lib/libORBit-2.so.0 #7 0x0035727c in ORBit_small_invoke_stub () from /usr/lib/libORBit-2.so.0 #8 0x00357170 in ORBit_small_invoke_stub_n () from /usr/lib/libORBit-2.so.0 #9 0x0036a982 in ORBit_c_stub_invoke () from /usr/lib/libORBit-2.so.0 #10 0x00c8f503 in GNOME_Evolution_Calendar_CalFactory_open () from /usr/lib/evolution/1.4/libcal-client.so.0 #11 0x00c9f064 in GNOME_Evolution_Calendar_CalFactory__iinterface () from /usr/lib/evolution/1.4/libcal-client.so.0 (gdb) quit HTH Cheers Kjartan From grant at tuins.ac.jp Wed Oct 1 10:12:55 2003 From: grant at tuins.ac.jp (rg) Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 19:12:55 +0900 Subject: Fedora Core questions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3F7AA8A7.3070009@tuins.ac.jp> > > >>Also, will the red hat programs menu icon change since it is no longer >>Red Hat Linux? >> >> > >This was asked already, and I believe the answer was that the icon on the >programs menu is simply "a hat/fedora that happens to be red". It is not >the Red Hat(tm) logo, which is the "shadowman" image. (see >http://www.redhat.com/img/homepg_rh_logo.gif for an example of the >official logo). So therefore the programs menu icon can stay the same. > >--Jeremy > > Yes, that was originally my question, and I'm happy to see that I am not the only one worrying about such things. Thought I was way out there in red felt space somewhere... RG From ichtus at mbone.petra.ac.id Wed Oct 1 10:17:29 2003 From: ichtus at mbone.petra.ac.id (Lewi) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 17:17:29 +0700 Subject: Evolution under Fedora Core release 0.94 In-Reply-To: <1064998583.3414.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <200309301318.h8UDIZre009095@graze.net> <1064936603.1343.2.camel@edoras.local.net> <1064998583.3414.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20031001101729.GA2039@mbone.petra.ac.id> I had the problem too, but in my campus (same cd) using different computer specification, evolution hang if I click calendar, task but in my home, the problem just when quit from evolution seems evolution-wombat doesn't want to :) sames like here, but functionality can get through. so if I remove calendar, task from left toolbar it will running fine I try evolution-1.4.3 from taroon in severn, and still got the problem (I replace evolution, /usr/lib/libcom_err.so, /usr/lib/libgal.so.3.0.1 from rpm packages) On Wed, Oct 01, 2003 at 10:56:23AM +0200, Kjartan Maraas wrote: > [kmaraas at localhost kmaraas]$ strace -p 3416 > Process 3416 attached - interrupt to quit > futex(0x8e13308, FUTEX_WAIT, 2, NULL > Process 3416 detached > > gdb on the same: > > Program received signal SIGINT, Interrupt. > [Switching to Thread -1084673920 (LWP 3416)] > 0x00d9bc32 in _dl_sysinfo_int80 () from /lib/ld-linux.so.2 > (gdb) bt > #0 0x00d9bc32 in _dl_sysinfo_int80 () from /lib/ld-linux.so.2 > #1 0x003cc7bb in __lll_mutex_lock_wait () from /lib/tls/libpthread.so.0 > #2 0x00000d58 in ?? () > #3 0x00616c88 in ?? () from /usr/lib/libORBit-2.so.0 > #4 0x08e13308 in ?? () > #5 0x003c9976 in _L_mutex_lock_26 () from /lib/tls/libpthread.so.0 > #6 0x08ec2df0 in ?? () > #7 0xbff6b978 in ?? () > #8 0x005f7d60 in ORBit_recv_buffer_return_sys_exception () > from /usr/lib/libORBit-2.so.0 > Previous frame identical to this frame (corrupt stack?) > > gdb on evolution itself: > > Program received signal SIGINT, Interrupt. > [Switching to Thread -1085040672 (LWP 3414)] > 0x00dadc32 in _dl_sysinfo_int80 () from /lib/ld-linux.so.2 > (gdb) bt > #0 0x00dadc32 in _dl_sysinfo_int80 () from /lib/ld-linux.so.2 > #1 0x09e19b67 in poll () from /lib/tls/libc.so.6 > #2 0x004b3e46 in g_main_loop_get_context () from > /usr/lib/libglib-2.0.so.0 > #3 0x004b3276 in g_main_context_dispatch () from > /usr/lib/libglib-2.0.so.0 > #4 0x004b352c in g_main_context_iteration () from > /usr/lib/libglib-2.0.so.0 > #5 0x00370ba9 in link_main_iteration () from /usr/lib/libORBit-2.so.0 > #6 0x0035354c in giop_recv_buffer_get () from /usr/lib/libORBit-2.so.0 > #7 0x0035727c in ORBit_small_invoke_stub () from > /usr/lib/libORBit-2.so.0 > #8 0x00357170 in ORBit_small_invoke_stub_n () from > /usr/lib/libORBit-2.so.0 > #9 0x0036a982 in ORBit_c_stub_invoke () from /usr/lib/libORBit-2.so.0 > #10 0x00c8f503 in GNOME_Evolution_Calendar_CalFactory_open () > from /usr/lib/evolution/1.4/libcal-client.so.0 > #11 0x00c9f064 in GNOME_Evolution_Calendar_CalFactory__iinterface () > from /usr/lib/evolution/1.4/libcal-client.so.0 > (gdb) quit > > HTH > > Cheers > Kjartan > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list -- ichtus ------ Lewi Supranata .K Homepage : http://mbone.petra.ac.id/mypages/ichtus GnuPG Public Key : http://mbone.petra.ac.id/mypages/ichtus/ichtus-keys2 From david.balazic at uni-mb.si Wed Oct 1 11:45:50 2003 From: david.balazic at uni-mb.si (DAVID BALAZIC) Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 13:45:50 +0200 Subject: anaconda performance thoughts [Re: ANNOUNCE: Severn Test 2 Anaconda Updates Image Available] Message-ID: <01L1BENP97LK001A49@rcum.uni-mb.si> seth vidal wrote: >On Tue, 2003-09-30 at 19:18, Matt Bernstein wrote: >> On Sep 29 Michael Fulbright wrote: >> >> >The amount of feedback we've received for the Fedora Core Severn Test 2 >> >has been impressive. The anaconda team appreciates the time everyone >> >has taken to test anaconda. >> >> Not strictly related, but I've been thinking for a while now that most >> people do CD installs and watch the CD LED flash, then the HDD LED. >> This alternating is a bottleneck which I guess can be reduced by either >> or both of: >> > >do most people install off of cd? > >I wish there was a way to measure that. > >I might be spoiled but I've gotten used to network installs. Not everyone has broadband or LAN. I always do a CD install. Regards, David Balazic From akabi at speakeasy.net Wed Oct 1 12:20:14 2003 From: akabi at speakeasy.net (ne...) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 08:20:14 -0400 (EDT) Subject: anaconda performance thoughts [Re: ANNOUNCE: Severn Test 2 Anaconda Updates Image Available] In-Reply-To: <01L1BENP97LK001A49@rcum.uni-mb.si> References: <01L1BENP97LK001A49@rcum.uni-mb.si> Message-ID: On Oct 1, 2003 at 13:45, DAVID BALAZIC in a maddening rage wrote: >seth vidal wrote: > >>do most people install off of cd? >> >>I wish there was a way to measure that. >> >>I might be spoiled but I've gotten used to network installs. > >Not everyone has broadband or LAN. >I always do a CD install. Well I have both and I only do CD installs. -- Registered Linux User # 125653 (http://counter.li.org) Switch to: http://www.speakeasy.net/refer/190653 Join in the new game that's sweeping the country. It's called "Bureaucracy". Everybody stands in a circle. The first person to do anything loses. 08:19:21 up 37 days, 19:53, 3 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 From toni at maxlove.com.br Wed Oct 1 12:45:56 2003 From: toni at maxlove.com.br (Toni Guedes) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 09:45:56 -0300 Subject: XFree suport for Aiptek 6000U tablet Message-ID: <004501c38819$f54eadc0$fc01a8c0@cpdtoni> Hi, Can someone tell me if Aiptek tablets are supported in Severn/Xfree? Thanks in advance, ____________________________ Toni Guedes - Inform?tica/CPD Max Love Cosm?ticos Ltda. Voice: +55 11 4793-5717 e-mail: toni at maxlove.com.br http://www.maxlove.com.br ____________________________ From bill at noreboots.com Wed Oct 1 13:42:25 2003 From: bill at noreboots.com (Bill Anderson) Date: 01 Oct 2003 07:42:25 -0600 Subject: subject change In-Reply-To: References: <1064854179.1180.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1065015745.6302.28.camel@locutus> On Mon, 2003-09-29 at 12:15, Matt Brodeur wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Mon, 29 Sep 2003, Daniel Wittenberg wrote: > > > What are the chances of getting the [listname] feature turned on? Makes > > it easier to quickly sort email... > > From past experience on all too many mailing lists, I'd say the chances > are close to or less than zero. This usually turns into an overly heated > debate that eventually leads nowhere. > > Since you appear to be using Evolution, you could try the vfolders > feature. IIRC (it's been a while), you can have vfolder rules on > arbitrary headers. For this list I filter (with procmail) on the > following header: > > X-BeenThere: fedora-test-list at redhat.com Or even faster: right-click a message form the list -> go down to "Create rule from message" -> then either "VFolder on Mailing list" or "Filter on mailing list". Then, if filtering, select the folder and poof, you are done. If using vfolders, you are done. This works for mailman and ezmlm based lists. Not sure about majordomo since none of the lists I am on use it anymore. -- Bill Anderson RHCE #807302597505773 bill at noreboots.com From bill at noreboots.com Wed Oct 1 13:43:59 2003 From: bill at noreboots.com (Bill Anderson) Date: 01 Oct 2003 07:43:59 -0600 Subject: ANNOUNCE: Severn Test 2 Anaconda Updates Image Available In-Reply-To: <20030929180714.Z21529@redhat.com> References: <200309292134.h8TLYAs04229@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <3F78AABD.1050006@cypress.com> <20030929180714.Z21529@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1065015839.6274.30.camel@locutus> On Mon, 2003-09-29 at 16:07, Daniel Veillard wrote: > On Mon, Sep 29, 2003 at 04:57:17PM -0500, Thomas Dodd wrote: > > > > > > Alan Cox wrote: > > >>- Bugzilla #105148 - In GUI install 'No firewall' option was ignored > > >>- Fixed an issue where lilo was being referenced (it is no longer shipped) > > > > > > > > > Is this a permanent decision - Grub doesnt work with earlier intel desktop > > > boards > > > > It doesn't work on my FIC SS7 board either. I forget the number, but > > it's the one w/ 2MB cache. This was filed in bugzilla somewhere for the > > first RHL that used grub. > > and doesn't work on the rpmfind.net box either, tyan thunder 100 dual-celeron > I had of those, it worked on mine. -- Bill Anderson RHCE #807302597505773 bill at noreboots.com From bill at noreboots.com Wed Oct 1 13:47:18 2003 From: bill at noreboots.com (Bill Anderson) Date: 01 Oct 2003 07:47:18 -0600 Subject: anaconda performance thoughts [Re: ANNOUNCE: Severn Test 2 Anaconda Updates Image Available] In-Reply-To: <1064969129.32323.7.camel@binkley> References: <1064870504.1771.31.camel@avatar.devel.redhat.com> <1064969129.32323.7.camel@binkley> Message-ID: <1065016038.6301.33.camel@locutus> On Tue, 2003-09-30 at 18:45, seth vidal wrote: > On Tue, 2003-09-30 at 19:18, Matt Bernstein wrote: > > On Sep 29 Michael Fulbright wrote: > > > > >The amount of feedback we've received for the Fedora Core Severn Test 2 > > >has been impressive. The anaconda team appreciates the time everyone > > >has taken to test anaconda. > > > > Not strictly related, but I've been thinking for a while now that most > > people do CD installs and watch the CD LED flash, then the HDD LED. > > This alternating is a bottleneck which I guess can be reduced by either > > or both of: > > > > do most people install off of cd? > > I wish there was a way to measure that. > > I might be spoiled but I've gotten used to network installs. Yup, you're spoiled. ;) SO was I. I love NI! However, when I go into environments to teach classes and need to install a few machines, and they have a 10MB half-duplex network ... I start breaking out the CDs! -- Bill Anderson RHCE #807302597505773 bill at noreboots.com From mb/redhat at dcs.qmul.ac.uk Wed Oct 1 14:05:50 2003 From: mb/redhat at dcs.qmul.ac.uk (Matt Bernstein) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 15:05:50 +0100 (BST) Subject: anaconda performance thoughts [Re: ANNOUNCE: Severn Test 2 Anaconda Updates Image Available] In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 03:05 -0400 Ingo Molnar wrote: >The biggest rpm we have currently is 40 MB, and the average package size >is 1.4 MB. More than half of the total rpm size is in rpms that are >smaller than 10 MB. With a 128 MB recommended RAM size this should be >problem-free from a caching point of view. Maybe a special rule could be >added, to not pre-cache RPMs with a size larger than RAM_size/4. Maybe "pre-cache until size > [some threshold]" ? >also, if the caching is done by copying the next rpm to HD while the rpm >-i of the previous one is running then even if trashing happens, it will >happen on the HD level, not on the CDROM level - and it's the CDROM that >is the fundamental bottleneck of installs. Yes.. copy RPMs to a tmpfs volume. This would possibly depend on the target swap having been activated to prevent things going horribly wrong. >ext2/ext3 only speeds up the HD access (by a very small amount). Also, >ext2/ext3 mostly differs in CPU overhead not IO overhead - and the >install-to-hd process is mostly limited by IO latencies (disk seeks). I was thinking that ext3 writes couldn't return until metadata had been committed to real media, and that by aggressively write-caching ext2 might not need to. So, this is a different kind of I/O latency (one which may well be triggered by %post scripts). But if it was tried with no obvious performance gain, that is more pertinent than my guesswork! Matt From ted at cypress.com Wed Oct 1 14:08:10 2003 From: ted at cypress.com (Thomas Dodd) Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 09:08:10 -0500 Subject: anaconda performance thoughts In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3F7ADFCA.7090302@cypress.com> Ingo Molnar wrote: > On Wed, 1 Oct 2003, Jeremy Katz wrote: >>We used to do this in the 7.2 timeframe, but the time difference on an >>install was negligible. > > it's not the HD that is keeping up things - it's the non-overlap of CDROM > and HD IO that hurts. We use the CDROM, then we use the HD to install the > rpm, then we use the CDROM again, etc. - instead of using them in parallel > and cutting latencies into half. I wouldn't expect much gain if the CD is the slave device and the HD the Master on 1 IDE channel. I know lot's of systems setup like that. My normal system has to HDs with software raid, both masters, So the CD has to be a slave device. Both HDs are masters to improve their performance, it sucked when they were on the same channel. Fetching the next RPM while installing one would likely help for network installs. For local installs, HD or CD, should probably check the devices to see if they are a master/slave pair (hda+hdb, hdc+hdd, etc). Not sure how to find the underlying devices for a raid device though. -Thomas From csieh at fnal.gov Wed Oct 1 14:19:28 2003 From: csieh at fnal.gov (csieh) Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 09:19:28 -0500 (CDT) Subject: anaconda performance thoughts [Re: ANNOUNCE: Severn Test 2 Anaconda Updates Image Available] In-Reply-To: <1064969129.32323.7.camel@binkley> Message-ID: I would say 90% of our installs are via the net. It is easier for us and the users to do this. We give our users the "net" floppy image and off they go. It would be good if your solution also made the network install faster too. Connie Sieh Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory On Tue, 30 Sep 2003, seth vidal wrote: > On Tue, 2003-09-30 at 19:18, Matt Bernstein wrote: > > On Sep 29 Michael Fulbright wrote: > > > > >The amount of feedback we've received for the Fedora Core Severn Test 2 > > >has been impressive. The anaconda team appreciates the time everyone > > >has taken to test anaconda. > > > > Not strictly related, but I've been thinking for a while now that most > > people do CD installs and watch the CD LED flash, then the HDD LED. > > This alternating is a bottleneck which I guess can be reduced by either > > or both of: > > > > do most people install off of cd? > > I wish there was a way to measure that. > > I might be spoiled but I've gotten used to network installs. > > -sv > > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > From daniel-wittenberg at starken.com Wed Oct 1 14:19:08 2003 From: daniel-wittenberg at starken.com (Daniel Wittenberg) Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 09:19:08 -0500 Subject: [FEDORA] Re: stupid apt problem In-Reply-To: <1064992720.3f7a7fd0c1d58@webmail.welho.com> References: <1064977979.16240.3.camel@hawk.wittenberg.org> <1064992720.3f7a7fd0c1d58@webmail.welho.com> Message-ID: <1065017947.16473.9.camel@hawk.wittenberg.org> I poked around fedora.us, and I'm not seeing anything in terms of documentation on this. Am I blind? I realize what anaconda is, so are you saying off the CD's? Not sure I understand. It's also confusing on the ftp site to see the older stuff as 9.0.93 and newer stuff with 0.94, and yes, I realize what this is, just confusing for someone just getting into this. So can I just load up the severn iso's and apt-get from there, or what does "upgrade with anacoda" mean to the fedora impaired? Dan On Wed, 2003-10-01 at 02:18, Panu Matilainen wrote: > > I know this is probably something stupid...or is it easier to download > > the .iso's and do it that way? It seemed from the webpage the "proper" > > way to do it was via apt so I thought I'd try. > > You *can* do it with apt, yum or up2date but the "official" way is to upgrade > with anaconda. -- ============================= Daniel Wittenberg RHCE+AS/IBM Certified Specialist President/CTO The Starken Group http://www.starken.com From knxmay001 at mail.uct.ac.za Wed Oct 1 15:39:06 2003 From: knxmay001 at mail.uct.ac.za (Maynard Kuona) Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 17:39:06 +0200 Subject: RHN and Fedora Message-ID: <1065022746.3122.4.camel@albert> I am wondering, is Redhat at least planning to do subscriptions for Fedora. It could be a little commercial service they provide. For a little fee, they could carry on doing security updates after Fedora drops the project, or maybe they want people on the enterprise instead. Either way, its a little business opportunity for someone esle. Just backport and maintain errata, and charge people for it. From czar at czarc.net Wed Oct 1 15:41:44 2003 From: czar at czarc.net (Gene C.) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 11:41:44 -0400 Subject: guidance needed Message-ID: <200310011141.44639.czar@czarc.net> OK, rawhide is being updated but rhn for servern-beta2 is not. For testing, except is specific cases, do you want us to stick pretty closely to what you publish in rhn or do you want us to do lots of updated from rawhide when they appear? Sometimes rawhide contains packages which have big problems whereas rhn (even for test) is usually pretty good. For testing, I expect that something may go wrong and may even trash the system requiring a re-install ... this is an assumed condition. How do you want us to proceed? BTW, both bugzilla and rhn servers seem to be having problems right now. -- Gene From msf at redhat.com Wed Oct 1 15:47:49 2003 From: msf at redhat.com (Michael Fulbright) Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 11:47:49 -0400 Subject: anaconda performance thoughts [Re: ANNOUNCE: Severn Test 2 Anaconda Updates Image Available] In-Reply-To: References: <1064870504.1771.31.camel@avatar.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1065023269.24417.14.camel@avatar.devel.redhat.com> I did some quick profiling with oprofile of an anaconda install and the vast majority of the total install time is spent waiting in the idle loop in the kernel. However I was doing an NFS install, which is pretty much reading the RPM over the network and exploding it to disk. The bytes/sec we were exploding RPMs in anaconda was about 50% of what you get if you just 'rpm2cpio | cpio -dimv ' the same RPMs to the drive (I tried this as a test). Its something we want to revisit when we have time. To be honest you're only reinstalling once ever 6-12 months and then using up2date to keep the system current, so it hasn't been a high priority to reduce the install time by 30% as compared to clearing out as many bugs and adding features which will make anaconda most useful. I'll be happy the day all the complaints about anaconda are just performance related. Michael Fulbright msf at redhat.com From smearp at mac.com Wed Oct 1 16:07:17 2003 From: smearp at mac.com (Sean Earp) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 09:07:17 -0700 Subject: RHN In-Reply-To: <20031001.000134.11455.13462@webmail12.lax.untd.com> Message-ID: <5472AADC-F429-11D7-8389-000393C34F68@mac.com> Paul- Severn was originally (and probably still is) the internal code name for what has now become the Fedora project. You can basically think of Severn Beta 1 (90.93) as Fedora Test 1. The latest update (Fedora test 2) can be found at: Hope this helps, -Sean On Wednesday, October 1, 2003, at 12:00 AM, ksm451 at juno.com wrote: > whats the diffrence between severn-90.93.I downloaded severn from > Linuxiso.org and burn them into CD.Is this different from Fedora Test > 2,then how do i get Fedora Test 2.I tried using apt-get update,but > since my network uses a proxy server,apt-get always failed,even though > i've treid putting the proxy setting in apt.conf.More info would be > welcomed From johnsonm at redhat.com Wed Oct 1 16:11:28 2003 From: johnsonm at redhat.com (Michael K. Johnson) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 12:11:28 -0400 Subject: How do ou get modules like ac and barrerty to load at boot time? In-Reply-To: <3F7A6FBE.5000202@tech-access.com>; from seanc@tech-access.com on Wed, Oct 01, 2003 at 10:10:06AM +0400 References: <3F774400.2090207@skmoore.com> <20030929013616.N25283@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1064826287.19239.4.camel@suburbia> <20030929184332.A32736@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <3F7A6FBE.5000202@tech-access.com> Message-ID: <20031001121128.A17658@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Wed, Oct 01, 2003 at 10:10:06AM +0400, Sean Craig wrote: > If you take a look at /etc/rc.d/init.d/acpid, you will notice that only > the 'button' module is loaded at startup. That needs to be fixed not to do that since initscripts will load them all earlier. michaelkjohnson "He that composes himself is wiser than he that composes a book." Linux Application Development -- Ben Franklin http://people.redhat.com/johnsonm/lad/ From shrek-m at gmx.de Wed Oct 1 16:14:37 2003 From: shrek-m at gmx.de (shrek-m at gmx.de) Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 18:14:37 +0200 Subject: [Fwd: OpenOffice.org 1.1] Message-ID: <3F7AFD6D.1090303@gmx.de> -------- Original Message -------- Subject: OpenOffice.org 1.1 Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 09:10:31 -0700 From: Louis Suarez-Potts Reply-To: users at openoffice.org CC: discuss-openoffice.org , users at openoffice.org Newsgroups: gmane.comp.openoffice.questions,gmane.comp.openoffice.general All, After months of testing, improvement, waiting, OpenOffice.org 1.1 is here for you to download. http://www.openoffice.org/dev_docs/source/1.1.0/index.html It is final, finished, ready to be used. It's also in English right now; different languages will be ready shortly. Check with your Native-Lang project for updates (http://native-lang.openoffice.org/ ). This build has, as we have learned, many new features that no other office suite has yet to think of. Our list of features is here: http://www.openoffice.org/dev_docs/features/1.1/ We have made this release a media event. We have sent out a press release, have a press kit, and are making every effort to broadcast information of this build. You too can help: Download the build and tell others about it. It is free, runs on every major platform, and is being progressively translated to every major language. And, of course, if you come across something that needs improving, file an issue (http://www.openoffice.org/project_issues.html ). - Louis Su?rez-Potts Community Manager OpenOffice.org From linuxnow at newtral.org Wed Oct 1 16:22:25 2003 From: linuxnow at newtral.org (Pau Aliagas) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 18:22:25 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Fwd: OpenOffice.org 1.1] Message-ID: On Wed, 1 Oct 2003, shrek-m at gmx.de wrote: > All, After months of testing, improvement, waiting, OpenOffice.org 1.1 > is here for you to download. Will there be updates available? Pau From johnsonm at redhat.com Wed Oct 1 16:22:39 2003 From: johnsonm at redhat.com (Michael K. Johnson) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 12:22:39 -0400 Subject: guidance needed In-Reply-To: <200310011141.44639.czar@czarc.net>; from czar@czarc.net on Wed, Oct 01, 2003 at 11:41:44AM -0400 References: <200310011141.44639.czar@czarc.net> Message-ID: <20031001122239.B17658@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Wed, Oct 01, 2003 at 11:41:44AM -0400, Gene C. wrote: > OK, rawhide is being updated but rhn for servern-beta2 is not. For testing, > except is specific cases, do you want us to stick pretty closely to what you > publish in rhn or do you want us to do lots of updated from rawhide when they > appear? In regards to the test releases, they are just two different ways of pushing the same package set, as far as we are concerned. The RHN updates channel is pending on folks in the RHN group; feel free to update from rawhide. > Sometimes rawhide contains packages which have big problems whereas rhn (even > for test) is usually pretty good. We're pushing packages from the same source for rawhide and the test updates channel in rhn (once it's up and running). They should be generally equivalent. michaelkjohnson "He that composes himself is wiser than he that composes a book." Linux Application Development -- Ben Franklin http://people.redhat.com/johnsonm/lad/ From smoogen at lanl.gov Wed Oct 1 16:46:54 2003 From: smoogen at lanl.gov (Stephen Smoogen) Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 10:46:54 -0600 Subject: [Fwd: OpenOffice.org 1.1] In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1065026814.14565.24.camel@smoogen1.lanl.gov> When the OO engineer RH hired gets finished cleaning up the RPM, getting it working through the build system, oh and probably gets an apartment, phone, etc etc. On Wed, 2003-10-01 at 10:22, Pau Aliagas wrote: > On Wed, 1 Oct 2003, shrek-m at gmx.de wrote: > > > All, After months of testing, improvement, waiting, OpenOffice.org 1.1 > > is here for you to download. > > Will there be updates available? > > Pau > > > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list -- Stephen John Smoogen smoogen at lanl.gov Los Alamos National Lab CCN-5 Sched 5/40 PH: 4-0645 Ta-03 SM-1498 MailStop B255 DP 10S Los Alamos, NM 87545 -- So shines a good deed in a weary world. = Willy Wonka -- From georg at georgs.org Wed Oct 1 16:49:04 2003 From: georg at georgs.org (Georg E Schneider) Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 18:49:04 +0200 Subject: speedtch.o Error Message-ID: <3F7B0580.7040007@georgs.org> Using Fedora Core Alcatel Speedtouch USB Modem Sometimes (not always) if I boot up I get the error-message (i don't remember correctly) insmod error cannot load module speetch.o speedtch already loaded for me it's not a real problem, but I think If a modul is already loaded init have not to load it a second time. -- 1024D/2CF44148 2003-06-29 Georg E Schneider Key fingerprint = 4F44 9A46 2238 6CFA D271 D09C 235F EFB0 2CF4 4148 From ksm451 at juno.com Wed Oct 1 16:51:56 2003 From: ksm451 at juno.com (ksm451 at juno.com) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 16:51:56 GMT Subject: RHN Message-ID: <20031001.095255.15269.18116@webmail15.lax.untd.com> thanks very much,i've seen the difference and i've just dowloaded the disc1 and 2 waiting for the disc3 to finished,hopefully would burn them and install tomorrow.thanks for your patience and good work,would get back to you if in difficulties. cheers paul -- Sean Earp wrote: Paul- Severn was originally (and probably still is) the internal code name for what has now become the Fedora project. You can basically think of Severn Beta 1 (90.93) as Fedora Test 1. The latest update (Fedora test 2) can be found at: Hope this helps, -Sean On Wednesday, October 1, 2003, at 12:00 AM, ksm451 at juno.com wrote: > whats the diffrence between severn-90.93.I downloaded severn from > Linuxiso.org and burn them into CD.Is this different from Fedora Test > 2,then how do i get Fedora Test 2.I tried using apt-get update,but > since my network uses a proxy server,apt-get always failed,even though > i've treid putting the proxy setting in apt.conf.More info would be > welcomed -- fedora-test-list mailing list fedora-test-list at redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! From pp at ee.oulu.fi Wed Oct 1 16:57:33 2003 From: pp at ee.oulu.fi (Pekka Pietikainen) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 19:57:33 +0300 Subject: redhat-config-securitylevel question Message-ID: <20031001165733.GA13124@ee.oulu.fi> I noticed redhat-config-securitylevel got the following change, and was wondering about the rationale (bug 104561 seemed to be marked private last time I checked) * Thu Sep 18 2003 Bill Nottingham 1.2.8-1 - allow ICMP in general (#104561) I was under the impression the previous version which allowed echo and --state RELATED,ESTABLISHED allows all the icmp traffic that is necessary to be a Good Internet Citizen (tm), but obviously there was some case it didn't cover :-) -- Pekka Pietikainen From elwoo at videotron.ca Wed Oct 1 17:16:20 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 13:16:20 -0400 Subject: dri xscreensaver/kernel lockups In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200310011316.20877.elwoo@videotron.ca> On October 1, 2003 01:56 am, Pekka Savola > wrote: > Hi, > > A huge number of (probably DRI -related) xscreensaver lockups (especially > with screensavers with a lot of 3D effects) have been reported in the > past; check a list e.g. from: > > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=84214 > Uh-oh! Buzgilla is out of commission: "Bugzilla is currently experiencing technical difficulties. We apologize for any inconvenience, please check back soon. " (01 Oct. 2003 - 13:15 EST). Elton. -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From elwoo at videotron.ca Wed Oct 1 17:26:29 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 13:26:29 -0400 Subject: [Fwd: OpenOffice.org 1.1] In-Reply-To: <3F7AFD6D.1090303@gmx.de> References: <3F7AFD6D.1090303@gmx.de> Message-ID: <200310011326.29559.elwoo@videotron.ca> On October 1, 2003 12:14 pm, shrek-m at gmx.de <"shrek-m at gmx.de" > wrote: > This build has, as we have learned, many new features that no other > office suite has yet to think of. Our list of features is here: > http://www.openoffice.org/dev_docs/features/1.1/ Is there a link where this information is available in French? TIA, Elton ;-) -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From traxtopel at fastmail.fm Wed Oct 1 17:27:40 2003 From: traxtopel at fastmail.fm (traxtopel) Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 19:27:40 +0200 Subject: compiling wine on fedora core 0.94 Message-ID: <1065029260.17657.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> Problem compiling wine on fedora core 0.94 trying to compile last wine drop 20030911 on fedora, bails out with Anyone have a solution. gcc -c -I. -I. -I../../include -I../../include -D_REENTRANT -fPIC -D__WINESRC__ -D_WINX32_ -Wall -mpreferred-stack-boundary=2 -fno-strict-aliasing -Wpointer-arith -O2 -g -pipe -march=i386 -mcpu=i686 -o cookie.o cookie.c In file included from /usr/include/openssl/ssl.h:179, from internet.h:36, from cookie.c:39: /usr/include/openssl/kssl.h:136: error: syntax error before '*' token /usr/include/openssl/kssl.h:149: error: syntax error before '*' token /usr/include/openssl/kssl.h:150: error: syntax error before '*' token /usr/include/openssl/kssl.h:151: error: syntax error before '*' token /usr/include/openssl/kssl.h:151: error: syntax error before '*' token /usr/include/openssl/kssl.h:152: error: syntax error before '*' token /usr/include/openssl/kssl.h:153: error: syntax error before '*' token /usr/include/openssl/kssl.h:155: error: syntax error before '*' token /usr/include/openssl/kssl.h:157: error: syntax error before '*' token /usr/include/openssl/kssl.h:159: error: syntax error before '*' token /usr/include/openssl/kssl.h:167: error: syntax error before '*' token In file included from internet.h:36, from cookie.c:39: /usr/include/openssl/ssl.h:909: error: syntax error before "KSSL_CTX" /usr/include/openssl/ssl.h:931: error: syntax error before '}' token make[2]: *** [cookie.o] Error 1 Problem seems to relate to an issue with krb5 i.e. cookie.o typedef struct kssl_ctx_st { char *service_name; char *service_host; char *client_princ; char *keytab_file; char *cred_cache; krb5_enctype enctype; int length; krb5_octet do_not_use_this_in_wine *key; } KSSL_CTX; # 149 "/usr/include/openssl/kssl.h" 3 4 krb5_error_code kssl_ctx_setstring(KSSL_CTX *kssl_ctx, int which, char *text); KSSL_CTX *kssl_ctx_new(void); KSSL_CTX *kssl_ctx_free(KSSL_CTX *kssl_ctx); void kssl_ctx_show(KSSL_CTX *kssl_ctx); krb5_error_code kssl_ctx_setprinc(KSSL_CTX *kssl_ctx, int which, From alex at taipang.com Wed Oct 1 03:00:57 2003 From: alex at taipang.com (Alor) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 09:00:57 +0600 Subject: fedora and ntfs In-Reply-To: <20030929114840.GA22437@redhat.com> References: <200309290738.40422.nbecker@hns.com> <20030929114840.GA22437@redhat.com> Message-ID: <200310010900.57268.alex@taipang.com> How can I use ntfs partition on my local disk in fedora? mount say ntfs is not supported! Best Regards, Alex Long From cochranb at speakeasy.net Wed Oct 1 17:32:17 2003 From: cochranb at speakeasy.net (Robert L Cochran) Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 13:32:17 -0400 Subject: RHN In-Reply-To: <20031001.095255.15269.18116@webmail15.lax.untd.com> References: <20031001.095255.15269.18116@webmail15.lax.untd.com> Message-ID: <3F7B0FA1.9020202@speakeasy.net> You probably had problems with Severn 1 (9.0.93) connecting with RHN because in that version, the security certificate for RHN has expired. The error message, as usual, gives you no hint of how to truly fix the issue. You could download new certificates, but why bother when it is fixed in Fedora Core anyhow. Use the Fedora Core. Bob ksm451 at juno.com wrote: > thanks very much,i've seen the difference and i've just dowloaded the disc1 and 2 waiting for the disc3 to finished,hopefully would burn them and install tomorrow.thanks for your patience and good work,would get back to you if in difficulties. > > cheers > > paul > > -- Sean Earp wrote: > Paul- > > Severn was originally (and probably still is) the internal code name > for what has now become the Fedora project. You can basically think of > Severn Beta 1 (90.93) as Fedora Test 1. The latest update (Fedora > test 2) can be found at: Hope this helps, > > -Sean > > On Wednesday, October 1, 2003, at 12:00 AM, ksm451 at juno.com wrote: > > >>whats the diffrence between severn-90.93.I downloaded severn from >>Linuxiso.org and burn them into CD.Is this different from Fedora Test >>2,then how do i get Fedora Test 2.I tried using apt-get update,but >>since my network uses a proxy server,apt-get always failed,even though >>i've treid putting the proxy setting in apt.conf.More info would be >>welcomed > > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > > ________________________________________________________________ > The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! > Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! > Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > -- Bob Cochran Greenbelt, Maryland, USA http://greenbeltcomputer.biz/ From pmatilai at welho.com Wed Oct 1 17:33:26 2003 From: pmatilai at welho.com (Panu Matilainen) Date: 01 Oct 2003 20:33:26 +0300 Subject: compiling wine on fedora core 0.94 In-Reply-To: <1065029260.17657.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1065029260.17657.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1065029606.3927.19.camel@chip.ath.cx> On Wed, 2003-10-01 at 20:27, traxtopel wrote: > Problem compiling wine on fedora core 0.94 > > trying to compile last wine drop 20030911 on fedora, bails out with > Anyone have a solution. > > gcc -c -I. -I. -I../../include -I../../include -D_REENTRANT -fPIC > -D__WINESRC__ -D_WINX32_ -Wall -mpreferred-stack-boundary=2 > -fno-strict-aliasing -Wpointer-arith -O2 -g -pipe -march=i386 > -mcpu=i686 -o > cookie.o cookie.c > In file included from /usr/include/openssl/ssl.h:179, > from internet.h:36, > from cookie.c:39: > /usr/include/openssl/kssl.h:136: error: syntax error before '*' token > /usr/include/openssl/kssl.h:149: error: syntax error before '*' token > /usr/include/openssl/kssl.h:150: error: syntax error before '*' token > /usr/include/openssl/kssl.h:151: error: syntax error before '*' token > /usr/include/openssl/kssl.h:151: error: syntax error before '*' token > /usr/include/openssl/kssl.h:152: error: syntax error before '*' token > /usr/include/openssl/kssl.h:153: error: syntax error before '*' token > /usr/include/openssl/kssl.h:155: error: syntax error before '*' token > /usr/include/openssl/kssl.h:157: error: syntax error before '*' token > /usr/include/openssl/kssl.h:159: error: syntax error before '*' token > /usr/include/openssl/kssl.h:167: error: syntax error before '*' token > In file included from internet.h:36, > from cookie.c:39: > /usr/include/openssl/ssl.h:909: error: syntax error before "KSSL_CTX" > /usr/include/openssl/ssl.h:931: error: syntax error before '}' token > make[2]: *** [cookie.o] Error 1 > > Problem seems to relate to an issue with krb5 > > i.e. cookie.o > > typedef struct kssl_ctx_st > { > > char *service_name; > char *service_host; > char *client_princ; > char *keytab_file; > char *cred_cache; > krb5_enctype enctype; > int length; > krb5_octet do_not_use_this_in_wine *key; > } KSSL_CTX; > # 149 "/usr/include/openssl/kssl.h" 3 4 > krb5_error_code kssl_ctx_setstring(KSSL_CTX *kssl_ctx, int which, char > *text); > KSSL_CTX *kssl_ctx_new(void); > KSSL_CTX *kssl_ctx_free(KSSL_CTX *kssl_ctx); > void kssl_ctx_show(KSSL_CTX *kssl_ctx); > krb5_error_code kssl_ctx_setprinc(KSSL_CTX *kssl_ctx, int which, Haven't tried myself and don't have an FC0.94 box at hand to check but the location of kerberos libs + includes changed between Severn 9.0.93 -> FC0.94, kerbers includes are now in /usr/include/krb5 (or was it include/kerberos) which for example tripped compilation of RH9 pine on FC0.94. In short it's quite possibly looking for the kerberos includes (because openssl needs them) in a wrong place. - Panu - From traxtopel at fastmail.fm Wed Oct 1 17:37:22 2003 From: traxtopel at fastmail.fm (traxtopel) Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 19:37:22 +0200 Subject: compiling wine on fedora core 0.94 In-Reply-To: <1065029606.3927.19.camel@chip.ath.cx> References: <1065029260.17657.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1065029606.3927.19.camel@chip.ath.cx> Message-ID: <1065029842.17657.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> Panu, yep check that, wine finds krb5.h in /usr/include thats not the issue. On Wed, 2003-10-01 at 19:33, Panu Matilainen wrote: > On Wed, 2003-10-01 at 20:27, traxtopel wrote: > > Problem compiling wine on fedora core 0.94 > > > > trying to compile last wine drop 20030911 on fedora, bails out with > > Anyone have a solution. > > > > gcc -c -I. -I. -I../../include -I../../include -D_REENTRANT -fPIC > > -D__WINESRC__ -D_WINX32_ -Wall -mpreferred-stack-boundary=2 > > -fno-strict-aliasing -Wpointer-arith -O2 -g -pipe -march=i386 > > -mcpu=i686 -o > > cookie.o cookie.c > > In file included from /usr/include/openssl/ssl.h:179, > > from internet.h:36, > > from cookie.c:39: > > /usr/include/openssl/kssl.h:136: error: syntax error before '*' token > > /usr/include/openssl/kssl.h:149: error: syntax error before '*' token > > /usr/include/openssl/kssl.h:150: error: syntax error before '*' token > > /usr/include/openssl/kssl.h:151: error: syntax error before '*' token > > /usr/include/openssl/kssl.h:151: error: syntax error before '*' token > > /usr/include/openssl/kssl.h:152: error: syntax error before '*' token > > /usr/include/openssl/kssl.h:153: error: syntax error before '*' token > > /usr/include/openssl/kssl.h:155: error: syntax error before '*' token > > /usr/include/openssl/kssl.h:157: error: syntax error before '*' token > > /usr/include/openssl/kssl.h:159: error: syntax error before '*' token > > /usr/include/openssl/kssl.h:167: error: syntax error before '*' token > > In file included from internet.h:36, > > from cookie.c:39: > > /usr/include/openssl/ssl.h:909: error: syntax error before "KSSL_CTX" > > /usr/include/openssl/ssl.h:931: error: syntax error before '}' token > > make[2]: *** [cookie.o] Error 1 > > > > Problem seems to relate to an issue with krb5 > > > > i.e. cookie.o > > > > typedef struct kssl_ctx_st > > { > > > > char *service_name; > > char *service_host; > > char *client_princ; > > char *keytab_file; > > char *cred_cache; > > krb5_enctype enctype; > > int length; > > krb5_octet do_not_use_this_in_wine *key; > > } KSSL_CTX; > > # 149 "/usr/include/openssl/kssl.h" 3 4 > > krb5_error_code kssl_ctx_setstring(KSSL_CTX *kssl_ctx, int which, char > > *text); > > KSSL_CTX *kssl_ctx_new(void); > > KSSL_CTX *kssl_ctx_free(KSSL_CTX *kssl_ctx); > > void kssl_ctx_show(KSSL_CTX *kssl_ctx); > > krb5_error_code kssl_ctx_setprinc(KSSL_CTX *kssl_ctx, int which, > > Haven't tried myself and don't have an FC0.94 box at hand to check but > the location of kerberos libs + includes changed between Severn 9.0.93 > -> FC0.94, kerbers includes are now in /usr/include/krb5 (or was it > include/kerberos) which for example tripped compilation of RH9 pine on > FC0.94. In short it's quite possibly looking for the kerberos includes > (because openssl needs them) in a wrong place. > > - Panu - > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list -- traxtopel From elwoo at videotron.ca Wed Oct 1 17:38:52 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 13:38:52 -0400 Subject: RHN and Fedora In-Reply-To: <1065022746.3122.4.camel@albert> References: <1065022746.3122.4.camel@albert> Message-ID: <200310011338.52662.elwoo@videotron.ca> On October 1, 2003 11:39 am, Maynard Kuona > wrote: > I am wondering, is Redhat at least planning to do subscriptions for > Fedora. It could be a little commercial service they provide. For a > little fee, they could carry on doing security updates after Fedora > drops the project, or maybe they want people on the enterprise instead. > Either way, its a little business opportunity for someone esle. Just > backport and maintain errata, and charge people for it. IMHO, your questions are already answered here: http://fedora.redhat.com/about/objectives.html cheers, Elton ;-) -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From shrek-m at gmx.de Wed Oct 1 17:59:40 2003 From: shrek-m at gmx.de (shrek-m at gmx.de) Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 19:59:40 +0200 Subject: [Fwd: OpenOffice.org 1.1] In-Reply-To: <200310011326.29559.elwoo@videotron.ca> References: <3F7AFD6D.1090303@gmx.de> <200310011326.29559.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <3F7B160C.1080509@gmx.de> Elton Woo wrote: >>This build has, as we have learned, many new features that no other >>office suite has yet to think of. Our list of features is here: >> http://www.openoffice.org/dev_docs/features/1.1/ >> >> > >Is there a link where this information is available in French? > si tu ne peut pas trouver une traduction ici http://fr.openoffice.org/ je ne pense pas :-( -- shrek-m From notting at redhat.com Wed Oct 1 18:01:48 2003 From: notting at redhat.com (Bill Nottingham) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 14:01:48 -0400 Subject: redhat-config-securitylevel question In-Reply-To: <20031001165733.GA13124@ee.oulu.fi>; from pp@ee.oulu.fi on Wed, Oct 01, 2003 at 07:57:33PM +0300 References: <20031001165733.GA13124@ee.oulu.fi> Message-ID: <20031001140148.A3836@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Pekka Pietikainen (pp at ee.oulu.fi) said: > I noticed redhat-config-securitylevel got the following change, and > was wondering about the rationale (bug 104561 seemed to be marked > private last time I checked) > > * Thu Sep 18 2003 Bill Nottingham 1.2.8-1 > > - allow ICMP in general (#104561) > > I was under the impression the previous version which allowed echo and > --state RELATED,ESTABLISHED allows all the icmp traffic that is necessary to > be a Good Internet Citizen (tm), but obviously there was some case > it didn't cover :-) The bug reprot was about 'need-to-fragment' messages, among others. Bill From shugal at gmx.de Wed Oct 1 18:08:28 2003 From: shugal at gmx.de (Martin Stricker) Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 20:08:28 +0200 Subject: anaconda performance thoughts [Re: ANNOUNCE: Severn Test 2 AnacondaUpdates Image Available] References: <1064870504.1771.31.camel@avatar.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <3F7B181C.2AADA922@gmx.de> Matt Bernstein wrote: > Not strictly related, but I've been thinking for a while now that > most people do CD installs and watch the CD LED flash, then the HDD > LED. This alternating is a bottleneck which I guess can be reduced by > either or both of: > > 1. introduce extra threads to pre-cache the next files from install > media (may be a help over the network too) while current RPM is > installing > > 2. mount the ext3 target volumes ext2 while installing (this could > still apply in days of dir_index and ACLs) > > Is Bugzilla the place for these ideas? Yes. File it as RFE (request for enhancement). Only stuff that is in Bugzilla will reach all developers, on the mailing list it could easily be overseen. Best regards, Martin Stricker -- Homepage: http://www.martin-stricker.de/ Linux Migration Project: http://www.linux-migration.org/ Red Hat Linux 8.0 for low memory: http://www.rule-project.org/ Registered Linux user #210635: http://counter.li.org/ From katzj at redhat.com Wed Oct 1 18:14:00 2003 From: katzj at redhat.com (Jeremy Katz) Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 14:14:00 -0400 Subject: anaconda performance thoughts [Re: ANNOUNCE: Severn Test 2 Anaconda Updates Image Available] In-Reply-To: <1064969129.32323.7.camel@binkley> References: <1064870504.1771.31.camel@avatar.devel.redhat.com> <1064969129.32323.7.camel@binkley> Message-ID: <1065032040.5367.3.camel@mirkwood.devel.redhat.com> On Tue, 2003-09-30 at 20:45, seth vidal wrote: > do most people install off of cd? Yes, unfortunately ;) Jeremy From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Wed Oct 1 18:18:52 2003 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 14:18:52 -0400 Subject: anaconda performance thoughts [Re: ANNOUNCE: Severn Test 2 Anaconda Updates Image Available] In-Reply-To: <1065032040.5367.3.camel@mirkwood.devel.redhat.com> References: <1064870504.1771.31.camel@avatar.devel.redhat.com> <1064969129.32323.7.camel@binkley> <1065032040.5367.3.camel@mirkwood.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1065032331.2146.12.camel@binkley> On Wed, 2003-10-01 at 14:14, Jeremy Katz wrote: > On Tue, 2003-09-30 at 20:45, seth vidal wrote: > > do most people install off of cd? > > Yes, unfortunately ;) oh well. moving right along. /me goes back to his high bandwidth corner of the world. -sv From Dax at GuruLabs.com Wed Oct 1 18:29:35 2003 From: Dax at GuruLabs.com (Dax Kelson) Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 12:29:35 -0600 Subject: redhat-config-securitylevel question In-Reply-To: <20031001140148.A3836@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <20031001165733.GA13124@ee.oulu.fi> <20031001140148.A3836@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1065032975.2847.12.camel@mentor.gurulabs.com> On Wed, 2003-10-01 at 12:01, Bill Nottingham wrote: > Pekka Pietikainen (pp at ee.oulu.fi) said: > > I noticed redhat-config-securitylevel got the following change, and > > was wondering about the rationale (bug 104561 seemed to be marked > > private last time I checked) > > > > * Thu Sep 18 2003 Bill Nottingham 1.2.8-1 > > > > - allow ICMP in general (#104561) > > > > I was under the impression the previous version which allowed echo and > > --state RELATED,ESTABLISHED allows all the icmp traffic that is necessary to > > be a Good Internet Citizen (tm), but obviously there was some case > > it didn't cover :-) > > The bug reprot was about 'need-to-fragment' messages, among others. need-to-fragment is the only one that matters, really. AFAIK "RELATED" matches it. Like I said, I'm going to setup a test topology to verify it with my own eyes. I haven't yet done it yet. Maybe next week. Dax Kelson Guru Labs From kevymac at yahoo.com Wed Oct 1 19:18:36 2003 From: kevymac at yahoo.com (Kevin McConnell) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 12:18:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: HDC errors In-Reply-To: <1064815594.25524.5.camel@mentor.gurulabs.com> Message-ID: <20031001191836.58109.qmail@web40308.mail.yahoo.com> --- Dax Kelson wrote: > I'm CCing those those well intentioned people who > responded to your > message as well so they will know the true cause of > this. Funny how 3 people give 3 different answers, isn't it? ===== Kevin C. McConnell --RHCE # 805299480800193 since July 2, 1999-- Freedom in software, now freedom in life. http://www.freestateproject.org/ __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From pantz at lqt.ca Wed Oct 1 19:40:40 2003 From: pantz at lqt.ca (Paul Pianta) Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 15:40:40 -0400 Subject: numlock at boot Message-ID: <3F7B2DB8.1030808@lqt.ca> something that has been bugging me since i started working with linux (but have learnt to live with it) is the fact that my numeric keypad is not 'on' by default when i boot. i have played around with numlock-x, and some other rc.local scripts that will turn it on for tty's but not for X, etc. etc. - but i have had my share of problems with each of them. i just wanted to know if there is a technological barrier that is preventing this feature from being introduced into 'Fedora/RedHat', or is it because most people prefer (for some reason unbeknownst to me) to have to manually turn on numlock everytime? for me personally - i have never ever used the keypad keys without first turning on numlock - therefore i don't see why it couldnt be a default option - ie. default meaning that it is the option useful in the majority of situations. anyhoo - just wanted to throw the question out and see what comes back p.s. - sorry for using 'unbeknownst' - i was feeling medieval 8) From cochranb at speakeasy.net Wed Oct 1 19:46:38 2003 From: cochranb at speakeasy.net (Robert L Cochran) Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 15:46:38 -0400 Subject: HDC errors In-Reply-To: <20031001191836.58109.qmail@web40308.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20031001191836.58109.qmail@web40308.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3F7B2F1E.8060708@speakeasy.net> Yep. it's funny! Bob Kevin McConnell wrote: > --- Dax Kelson wrote: > >>I'm CCing those those well intentioned people who >>responded to your >>message as well so they will know the true cause of >>this. > > > Funny how 3 people give 3 different answers, isn't it? > > > > ===== > Kevin C. McConnell --RHCE # 805299480800193 since July 2, 1999-- > Freedom in software, now freedom in life. > http://www.freestateproject.org/ > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search > http://shopping.yahoo.com > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > -- Bob Cochran Greenbelt, Maryland, USA http://greenbeltcomputer.biz/ From tommy.mcneely at sun.com Wed Oct 1 19:55:06 2003 From: tommy.mcneely at sun.com (Tommy McNeely) Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 13:55:06 -0600 Subject: scsi errors when usb changes? Message-ID: <27A4E6FC-F449-11D7-B218-000393B2C96C@Sun.com> I made two costers before I realized what was going on.. I have a KVM switch that literally takes advantage of the hot-plug-ability of USB, so it doesnt have a lot of internal electronics (read: cheap).. for some strange reason when I switch away from my seven(1) box, running 2.4.22-1.2051nptlsmp (athlon) it does something to the SCSI bus that causes a CDburn to fail. I can readily reproduce it, but I have no clue what the bug is.. is it something with the kernel? with some sort of hot plug thing? with cdrecord? with ??? Any suggestions? Tommy From whooperhsd3 at earthlink.net Wed Oct 1 20:06:16 2003 From: whooperhsd3 at earthlink.net (William Hooper) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 16:06:16 -0400 (EDT) Subject: numlock at boot In-Reply-To: <3F7B2DB8.1030808@lqt.ca> References: <3F7B2DB8.1030808@lqt.ca> Message-ID: <3837.12.29.16.103.1065038776.squirrel@whooper.org> Paul Pianta said: [snip] > i just wanted to know if there is a technological barrier that is > preventing this feature from being introduced into 'Fedora/RedHat', or > is it because most people prefer (for some reason unbeknownst to me) to > have to manually turn on numlock everytime? [snip] Possibly the "break correctly" thoughts. If Numlock is on by default you break laptop keyboards (with imbedded number pads). I also have on my workbench four small IBM keyboards that have imbedded number pads. Most "rack mount" keyboards I've seen are similar. I think it is a PITA when machines boot with Numlock enabled. Just a view from the other side of the fence. -- William Hooper From tommy.mcneely at sun.com Wed Oct 1 20:19:38 2003 From: tommy.mcneely at sun.com (Tommy McNeely) Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 14:19:38 -0600 Subject: Anaconda detects my Nvidia as ATI Mach64? Message-ID: <94F14EF2-F44C-11D7-B218-000393B2C96C@Sun.com> Running the fedora updated anaconda.. It thinks my Nvidia Gf4 is a ATI Mach64, does anyone else have this problem or is my computer just possessed? If ofcourse fails back to vesa, but it didnt used to do this in RH9? Tommy From otaylor at redhat.com Wed Oct 1 20:28:29 2003 From: otaylor at redhat.com (Owen Taylor) Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 16:28:29 -0400 Subject: numlock at boot In-Reply-To: <3F7B2DB8.1030808@lqt.ca> References: <3F7B2DB8.1030808@lqt.ca> Message-ID: <1065040109.11637.221.camel@poincare.devel.redhat.com> For people who want this feature - I'm wondering if simply having the desktop make the value persistant would be a good solution? - If you always want it off, it will stay off - If you always want it on, it will stay on - If you use both, then "the way it was when you logged off" is a pretty good guess for the default value. That doesn't help people who want to use the numeric keypad on the console, but I think that's a relatively small group. And using the numeric keypad on the login screen seems exotic. In GNOME it would be relatively easy to make gnome-settings-daemon track the current value of the numlock key, store it in gconf, and then restore on restart. Regards, Owen From tommy.mcneely at sun.com Wed Oct 1 20:37:29 2003 From: tommy.mcneely at sun.com (Tommy McNeely) Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 14:37:29 -0600 Subject: news access? Message-ID: <13A25875-F44F-11D7-B218-000393B2C96C@Sun.com> I am sure this battle has been fought before.. but wouldn't these aliases work better as a discussion group on a news server? it seems that every mail client (server?) I use just doesn't like having tousands of messages in a mailbox :-) (puts on flame suit) Tommy From michael.yohe at us.army.mil Wed Oct 1 20:38:56 2003 From: michael.yohe at us.army.mil (Michael Lee Yohe) Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 15:38:56 -0500 Subject: numlock at boot In-Reply-To: <1065040109.11637.221.camel@poincare.devel.redhat.com> References: <3F7B2DB8.1030808@lqt.ca> <1065040109.11637.221.camel@poincare.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1065040736.20133.4.camel@bigputer> > In GNOME it would be relatively easy to make gnome-settings-daemon > track the current value of the numlock key, store it in gconf, > and then restore on restart. Red Hat or Gnome RFE? -- Michael Lee Yohe michael.yohe at us.army.mil Brockwell Technologies, Inc. Software Engineer United States Army Aviation and Missile Command p. 256.876.6775 Software Engineering Directorate f. 256.876.5800 QUIPd 1.03: (696 of 1559) -> A man who is 'of sound mind' is one who keeps the inner madman -> under lock and key. -> - Paul Valery From mattdm at mattdm.org Wed Oct 1 20:41:56 2003 From: mattdm at mattdm.org (Matthew Miller) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 16:41:56 -0400 Subject: news access? In-Reply-To: <13A25875-F44F-11D7-B218-000393B2C96C@Sun.com> References: <13A25875-F44F-11D7-B218-000393B2C96C@Sun.com> Message-ID: <20031001204156.GA3860@jadzia.bu.edu> On Wed, Oct 01, 2003 at 02:37:29PM -0600, Tommy McNeely wrote: > I am sure this battle has been fought before.. but wouldn't these > aliases work better as a discussion group on a news server? it seems > that every mail client (server?) I use just doesn't like having > tousands of messages in a mailbox :-) (And there could be subgroups for various topics.) -- Matthew Miller mattdm at mattdm.org Boston University Linux ------> From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Wed Oct 1 20:45:17 2003 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 16:45:17 -0400 Subject: news access? In-Reply-To: <13A25875-F44F-11D7-B218-000393B2C96C@Sun.com> References: <13A25875-F44F-11D7-B218-000393B2C96C@Sun.com> Message-ID: <1065041117.2146.51.camel@binkley> On Wed, 2003-10-01 at 16:37, Tommy McNeely wrote: > I am sure this battle has been fought before.. but wouldn't these > aliases work better as a discussion group on a news server? it seems > that every mail client (server?) I use just doesn't like having > tousands of messages in a mailbox :-) > /me picks up the flamegun USENET IS DEAD DEAD DEAD KILL KILL KILL besides - not everyone has 1. access to a news server 2. uses a news reader regularly 3. enjoys the amount of spam you start getting once you post on a newsgroup. /me puts down flamegun /me puts on flame-protecting-suit -sv From notting at redhat.com Wed Oct 1 20:47:48 2003 From: notting at redhat.com (Bill Nottingham) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 16:47:48 -0400 Subject: Anaconda detects my Nvidia as ATI Mach64? In-Reply-To: <94F14EF2-F44C-11D7-B218-000393B2C96C@Sun.com>; from tommy.mcneely@sun.com on Wed, Oct 01, 2003 at 02:19:38PM -0600 References: <94F14EF2-F44C-11D7-B218-000393B2C96C@Sun.com> Message-ID: <20031001164748.B10387@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Tommy McNeely (tommy.mcneely at sun.com) said: > Running the fedora updated anaconda.. > > It thinks my Nvidia Gf4 is a ATI Mach64, does anyone else have this > problem or is my computer just possessed? lspci output? Bill From jverel at optonline.net Wed Oct 1 20:46:03 2003 From: jverel at optonline.net (John P Verel) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 16:46:03 -0400 Subject: numlock at boot In-Reply-To: <1065040109.11637.221.camel@poincare.devel.redhat.com> References: <3F7B2DB8.1030808@lqt.ca> <1065040109.11637.221.camel@poincare.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20031001204603.GA31400@iago> On 10/01/03 16:28 -0400, Owen Taylor wrote: > For people who want this feature - I'm wondering if simply having > the desktop make the value persistant would be a good solution? An easy way to do this is simply respect the BIOS setting on the machine. John From tommy.mcneely at sun.com Wed Oct 1 20:59:53 2003 From: tommy.mcneely at sun.com (Tommy McNeely) Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 14:59:53 -0600 Subject: news access? In-Reply-To: <1065041117.2146.51.camel@binkley> References: <13A25875-F44F-11D7-B218-000393B2C96C@Sun.com> <1065041117.2146.51.camel@binkley> Message-ID: <345FCDC4-F452-11D7-B218-000393B2C96C@Sun.com> On Oct 1, 2003, at 2:45 PM, seth vidal wrote: > On Wed, 2003-10-01 at 16:37, Tommy McNeely wrote: >> I am sure this battle has been fought before.. but wouldn't these >> aliases work better as a discussion group on a news server? it seems >> that every mail client (server?) I use just doesn't like having >> tousands of messages in a mailbox :-) >> > /me picks up the flamegun > > USENET IS DEAD DEAD DEAD > KILL KILL KILL LOL > > besides - not everyone has > 1. access to a news server > news.redhat.com .. to reduce spam, it would have to be a login based server (using the same DB as bugzilla?) and be local to redhat only > 2. uses a news reader regularly heh, I dont "read" anything in my news reader.. but I bet it would work :) > 3. enjoys the amount of spam you start getting once you post on a > newsgroup. see #1 > > /me puts down flamegun > /me puts on flame-protecting-suit > > -sv > > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From tommy.mcneely at sun.com Wed Oct 1 21:00:30 2003 From: tommy.mcneely at sun.com (Tommy McNeely) Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 15:00:30 -0600 Subject: Anaconda detects my Nvidia as ATI Mach64? In-Reply-To: <20031001164748.B10387@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <94F14EF2-F44C-11D7-B218-000393B2C96C@Sun.com> <20031001164748.B10387@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <4A541A29-F452-11D7-B218-000393B2C96C@Sun.com> during the install, or after its done? Tommy On Oct 1, 2003, at 2:47 PM, Bill Nottingham wrote: > Tommy McNeely (tommy.mcneely at sun.com) said: >> Running the fedora updated anaconda.. >> >> It thinks my Nvidia Gf4 is a ATI Mach64, does anyone else have this >> problem or is my computer just possessed? > > lspci output? > > Bill > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From otaylor at redhat.com Wed Oct 1 21:05:38 2003 From: otaylor at redhat.com (Owen Taylor) Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 17:05:38 -0400 Subject: numlock at boot In-Reply-To: <1065040736.20133.4.camel@bigputer> References: <3F7B2DB8.1030808@lqt.ca> <1065040109.11637.221.camel@poincare.devel.redhat.com> <1065040736.20133.4.camel@bigputer> Message-ID: <1065042338.11637.227.camel@poincare.devel.redhat.com> On Wed, 2003-10-01 at 16:38, Michael Lee Yohe wrote: > > In GNOME it would be relatively easy to make gnome-settings-daemon > > track the current value of the numlock key, store it in gconf, > > and then restore on restart. > > Red Hat or Gnome RFE? There's an old GNOME bugzilla bug; just added some comments to it: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=74215 Regards, Owen From notting at redhat.com Wed Oct 1 21:06:51 2003 From: notting at redhat.com (Bill Nottingham) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 17:06:51 -0400 Subject: Anaconda detects my Nvidia as ATI Mach64? In-Reply-To: <4A541A29-F452-11D7-B218-000393B2C96C@Sun.com>; from tommy.mcneely@sun.com on Wed, Oct 01, 2003 at 03:00:30PM -0600 References: <94F14EF2-F44C-11D7-B218-000393B2C96C@Sun.com> <20031001164748.B10387@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <4A541A29-F452-11D7-B218-000393B2C96C@Sun.com> Message-ID: <20031001170651.A30061@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Tommy McNeely (tommy.mcneely at sun.com) said: > during the install, or after its done? Either. If it changes depending on the environment, we've got bigger problems. :) Bill From otaylor at redhat.com Wed Oct 1 21:11:34 2003 From: otaylor at redhat.com (Owen Taylor) Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 17:11:34 -0400 Subject: numlock at boot In-Reply-To: <20031001204603.GA31400@iago> References: <3F7B2DB8.1030808@lqt.ca> <1065040109.11637.221.camel@poincare.devel.redhat.com> <20031001204603.GA31400@iago> Message-ID: <1065042694.11637.234.camel@poincare.devel.redhat.com> On Wed, 2003-10-01 at 16:46, John P Verel wrote: > On 10/01/03 16:28 -0400, Owen Taylor wrote: > > For people who want this feature - I'm wondering if simply having > > the desktop make the value persistant would be a good solution? > > An easy way to do this is simply respect the BIOS setting on the > machine. That seems like a poor solution: A) In a company, users may not have access to their BIOS B) Public workstations (and home computers) may have multiple users with different preferences C) Having to reboot and trigger the BIOS to fix: "I'm really annoyed that I have to change the NumLock every time I boot up" Is not particularly convenient. Maybe I'm misinterpreting this comment and the BIOS magically tracks the current state when the machine is powered off; but even so, that doesn't help with B). Would it hurt if we honored the BIOS setting when booting into the console? Would it hurt if that setting got carried into the initial login screen? No. But I think that making the desktop remember the setting is both a lot easier to implement and more convenient for most users. Regards, Owen From netopml at newview.com Wed Oct 1 21:36:39 2003 From: netopml at newview.com (netopml at newview.com) Date: 01 Oct 2003 17:36:39 -0400 Subject: news access? In-Reply-To: <13A25875-F44F-11D7-B218-000393B2C96C@Sun.com> References: <13A25875-F44F-11D7-B218-000393B2C96C@Sun.com> Message-ID: tommy.mcneely at sun.com (Tommy McNeely) writes: > I am sure this battle has been fought before.. but wouldn't these aliases > work better as a discussion group on a news server? it seems that every > mail client (server?) I use just doesn't like having tousands of messages > in a mailbox :-) > > (puts on flame suit) Just do what I do: forward all these emails into a news server. I've set this up a while ago and it allows me to subscribe to gazillion mailing lists without getting my inbox flooded and it's way easier than using multiple mailboxes. -- Mathieu Chouquet-Stringer E-Mail : mathieu at newview.com Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity. -- Hanlon's Razor -- From elwoo at videotron.ca Wed Oct 1 21:41:55 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 17:41:55 -0400 Subject: [Fwd: OpenOffice.org 1.1] In-Reply-To: <3F7B160C.1080509@gmx.de> References: <3F7AFD6D.1090303@gmx.de> <200310011326.29559.elwoo@videotron.ca> <3F7B160C.1080509@gmx.de> Message-ID: <200310011741.55683.elwoo@videotron.ca> On October 1, 2003 01:59 pm, shrek-m at gmx.de <"shrek-m at gmx.de" > wrote: > >Is there a link where this information is available in French? > > si tu ne peut pas trouver une traduction ici > > http://fr.openoffice.org/ > > je ne pense pas :-( Merci. C'est ce que je cherchais/ ... Ich hatte das gefragt, nur f?r mein Nachbar... Elton ;-) -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From mganga at pwcwireless.com Wed Oct 1 21:47:48 2003 From: mganga at pwcwireless.com (Muralidhar Ganga) Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 14:47:48 -0700 Subject: Add/Remove applications - installation failed Message-ID: <1065044866.8189.6.camel@light.iospanwireless.com> Installed Fredora 0.94, Trying to install using Add/Remove applications, Epiphany "Graphical Internet", it asks for Fredora 0.94 Disc 2, but it could not do anything, Seems like it access the cd and does nothing. The ISO burned using: cdrecord -v -eject speed=40 dev=0,0,0 severn-i386-disc2.iso I did a media check before installation, test passed. Any ideas ? Thanks /Murali All generalizations are false, including this one. -- Mark Twain From daniel at gridcore.se Wed Oct 1 21:52:34 2003 From: daniel at gridcore.se (Daniel Persson) Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 23:52:34 +0200 Subject: Anyone working on a Feodore release for X86-64 ? Message-ID: <1065045154.13254.97.camel@camelot.gridcore.se> Are there any plans of releasing ISO's for X86-64 ? /Daniel From christoph.wickert at web.de Wed Oct 1 21:52:07 2003 From: christoph.wickert at web.de (Christoph Wickert) Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 23:52:07 +0200 Subject: HDC errors In-Reply-To: <3F7B2F1E.8060708@speakeasy.net> References: <20031001191836.58109.qmail@web40308.mail.yahoo.com> <3F7B2F1E.8060708@speakeasy.net> Message-ID: <3F7B4C87.3060900@web.de> > Kevin McConnell wrote: > >> >> Funny how 3 people give 3 different answers, isn't it? > Ok, here is the 4th: Depends on your Kernelconfig > > CONFIG_IDEDISK_MULTI_MODE: > > If you get this error, try to say Y > > here: > > > > hda: set_multmode: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error } > > hda: set_multmode: error=0x04 { DriveStatusError } > > > > If in doubt, say N. > There ist also another thead about this called "Re: Anyone seeing data corruption like bz#91932" Christoph From 64bit_fedora at comcast.net Wed Oct 1 22:02:37 2003 From: 64bit_fedora at comcast.net (Justin M. Forbes) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 17:02:37 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Anyone working on a Feodore release for X86-64 ? In-Reply-To: <1065045154.13254.97.camel@camelot.gridcore.se> Message-ID: I am currently working on ISOs for X86-64, at worst case right now, I would say expect them somewhere by end of the weekend, hopefully sooner. The ISOs I will have then will be based on current severn2/Fedora core revisions and rawhide updates. By the next beta release (Oct) I will build the x86_64 ISOs using the same package versions as the official beta release. Justin M. Forbes On Wed, 1 Oct 2003, Daniel Persson wrote: > Are there any plans of releasing ISO's for X86-64 ? > > /Daniel > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > From elwoo at videotron.ca Wed Oct 1 22:06:52 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 18:06:52 -0400 Subject: Add/Remove applications - installation failed In-Reply-To: <1065044866.8189.6.camel@light.iospanwireless.com> References: <1065044866.8189.6.camel@light.iospanwireless.com> Message-ID: <200310011806.52260.elwoo@videotron.ca> On October 1, 2003 05:47 pm, Muralidhar Ganga > wrote: > Installed Fredora 0.94, > > Trying to install using Add/Remove applications, Epiphany "Graphical > Internet", it asks for Fredora 0.94 Disc 2, but it could not do > anything, Seems like it access the cd and does nothing. It's the old but with redhat-config-packages that's resurfaced in Fedora Core. Check out: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=105767 Elton ;-) -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From felipe_alfaro at linuxmail.org Wed Oct 1 22:12:28 2003 From: felipe_alfaro at linuxmail.org (Felipe Alfaro Solana) Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2003 00:12:28 +0200 Subject: Stopping VMware from complaining about DGA Message-ID: <1065046347.3901.9.camel@teapot.felipe-alfaro.com> Hi! I'm trying to consolidate two real machines into a single, big-iron box by using VMware. The idea is that both virtual machines are brought up automatically when the system starts up, automatically, with no user intervention. I feel VMware has a real, serious limitation, and it's the fact that it requires an X session to run. I want to virtualize two servers running text-only mode Linux, but since VMware requires X, I've set up Xvnc and configured it to automatically start up a twm-based Xvnc session under a non-privileged user. The problem is that the virtual machines don't start up completely since the !@#!$%^ VMware keeps complaining that the virtual machine can't run in full screen mode since it doesn't support DGA. Dismissing the non-sense warning brings another one complaning that it could not obtain modelines information from the X server. Does anyone have a clue on how to convince VMware that I'm not virtualizing Windows, that I don't need fullscreen capabilities, that I don't need, don't have and don't want DGA, and that no, I don't need a mouse instead of having to trick VMware and point the mouse to /dev/null? Does anyone have a clue on how can I *disable* those stupid warnings? How come! How can anyone try to virtualize a server farm if the VM software is complaining about trivial things? ;) Uhmm! Maybe I'll need to turn to User-Mode-Linux. Thanks! PS: What about VMware GSX? Is it a "little bit smarter" than VMware? Is there any other virtualization software that doesn't assume you will want to run a GUI-based, mouse-based, full-screen-based, crash-prone operating system? From marcdeslauriers at videotron.ca Wed Oct 1 22:14:38 2003 From: marcdeslauriers at videotron.ca (Marc Deslauriers) Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 18:14:38 -0400 Subject: gtoaster problems Message-ID: <1065046477.8258.2.camel@mdlinux> Is anyone having a problem with gtoaster not detecting cd-rom drives anymore? The bus scan doesn't seem to find anything and pretty much temporarily hangs gtoaster when it is started. If anyone else is having this problem, I'll bugzilla it. Marc. From mhowell at northlink.com Wed Oct 1 22:18:46 2003 From: mhowell at northlink.com (Mark Howell) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 15:18:46 -0700 Subject: Stopping VMware from complaining about DGA In-Reply-To: <1065046347.3901.9.camel@teapot.felipe-alfaro.com> Message-ID: <005a01c38869$fc5924b0$46021eac@icontrolinc.com> [snip] > > I'm trying to consolidate two real machines into a single, > big-iron box by using VMware. The idea is that both virtual > machines are brought up automatically when the system starts > up, automatically, with no user intervention. [snip] If you want to virtualize a server farm, you probably want VMWare GSX or ESX. Mark. From pantz at lqt.ca Wed Oct 1 22:27:07 2003 From: pantz at lqt.ca (Paul Pianta) Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 18:27:07 -0400 Subject: numlock at boot In-Reply-To: <1065042694.11637.234.camel@poincare.devel.redhat.com> References: <3F7B2DB8.1030808@lqt.ca> <1065040109.11637.221.camel@poincare.devel.redhat.com> <20031001204603.GA31400@iago> <1065042694.11637.234.camel@poincare.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <3F7B54BB.6070402@lqt.ca> Owen Taylor wrote: >But I think that making the desktop remember the setting is >both a lot easier to implement and more convenient for most >users. > > i would be more than happy with that 8) for the few times that i am in pure console mode - i could handle pressing numlock - for the other 99% of the time that i'm in gnome - remembering the setting from the last shutdown would rock! should i add comments to the bugzilla mentioned in a previous post? and any chance this would make it into the fedora core final release? From mutk at iprimus.com.au Wed Oct 1 22:50:12 2003 From: mutk at iprimus.com.au (Michael Kearey) Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2003 08:50:12 +1000 Subject: Stopping VMware from complaining about DGA In-Reply-To: <1065046347.3901.9.camel@teapot.felipe-alfaro.com> References: <1065046347.3901.9.camel@teapot.felipe-alfaro.com> Message-ID: <3F7B5A24.8010603@iprimus.com.au> Felipe Alfaro Solana wrote: > Hi! Why ask here ? This is clearly something very much to do with VMware, and very little to do with Fedora.. If you check out the VMware news groups you will find quite a bit of info on how to stop various popup messages. Search criteria 'DGA warning group:vmware.*' Finds a thread a Google with all the info you need, except for the mouse-less config. Since you seem Googless, here is the info: Put in the .vmware/config file disable_acceleration = "TRUE" xinfo.noDGA = "TRUE" xinfo.noDGAAccel = "TRUE" svga.noDGA = "TRUE" About the mouse, I would think that if your VM's configuration has the mouse device removed it won't try to use it.. Cheers, Michael From whooperhsd3 at earthlink.net Wed Oct 1 22:53:38 2003 From: whooperhsd3 at earthlink.net (William Hooper) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 18:53:38 -0400 (EDT) Subject: news access? In-Reply-To: References: <13A25875-F44F-11D7-B218-000393B2C96C@Sun.com> Message-ID: <65116.65.40.135.3.1065048818.squirrel@whooper.org> netopml at newview.com said: > tommy.mcneely at sun.com (Tommy McNeely) writes: >> I am sure this battle has been fought before.. but wouldn't these >> aliases >> work better as a discussion group on a news server? it seems that every >> mail client (server?) I use just doesn't like having tousands of >> messages >> in a mailbox :-) >> >> (puts on flame suit) > > Just do what I do: forward all these emails into a news server. I've set > this up a while ago and it allows me to subscribe to gazillion mailing > lists without getting my inbox flooded and it's way easier than using > multiple mailboxes. Haven't we already covered this? Yes, the answer is gmane.org: http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.redhat.rhl.beta/3575 http://gmane.org/ -- William Hooper From alan at redhat.com Wed Oct 1 22:56:28 2003 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 18:56:28 -0400 (EDT) Subject: redhat-config-securitylevel question In-Reply-To: <1065032975.2847.12.camel@mentor.gurulabs.com> from "Dax Kelson" at Hyd 01, 2003 12:29:35 Message-ID: <200310012256.h91MuS219089@devserv.devel.redhat.com> > need-to-fragment is the only one that matters, really. > > AFAIK "RELATED" matches it. Like I said, I'm going to setup a test > topology to verify it with my own eyes. I haven't yet done it yet. Maybe > next week. DNS can get quite upset if port unreach replies are not allowed back in some cases From tommy.mcneely at sun.com Wed Oct 1 23:29:50 2003 From: tommy.mcneely at sun.com (Tommy McNeely) Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 17:29:50 -0600 Subject: news access? In-Reply-To: <65116.65.40.135.3.1065048818.squirrel@whooper.org> References: <13A25875-F44F-11D7-B218-000393B2C96C@Sun.com> <65116.65.40.135.3.1065048818.squirrel@whooper.org> Message-ID: <27257A08-F467-11D7-B218-000393B2C96C@Sun.com> ooooooo I like it :) The real question is, if I start reading my mail there, is there a way to subscribe to the redhat lists such that I can still post, but dont actually GET mail :) Tommy On Oct 1, 2003, at 4:53 PM, William Hooper wrote: > > Haven't we already covered this? Yes, the answer is gmane.org: > > http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.redhat.rhl.beta/3575 > > http://gmane.org/ > > -- > William Hooper > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From tommy.mcneely at sun.com Wed Oct 1 23:32:58 2003 From: tommy.mcneely at sun.com (Tommy McNeely) Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 17:32:58 -0600 Subject: Anaconda detects my Nvidia as ATI Mach64? In-Reply-To: <20031001170651.A30061@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <94F14EF2-F44C-11D7-B218-000393B2C96C@Sun.com> <20031001164748.B10387@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <4A541A29-F452-11D7-B218-000393B2C96C@Sun.com> <20031001170651.A30061@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <96EBA7D6-F467-11D7-B218-000393B2C96C@Sun.com> OK, well after getting "operating system not found" .. I decided to install again (and this time heed the warning and include a /boot :) Its curious.. appearantly my system has a built in (but disabled) ATI Rage XL card that must be whats getting detected... I cannot paste the output yet, but I have saved it in /mnt/sysimage for later use. I just find it strange that it worked in RH8 and RH9 .. failed in severn1 and fedora-test-2? Tommy On Oct 1, 2003, at 3:06 PM, Bill Nottingham wrote: > Tommy McNeely (tommy.mcneely at sun.com) said: >> during the install, or after its done? > > Either. If it changes depending on the environment, > we've got bigger problems. :) > > Bill > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From paul.morgan at jumanjihouse.com Wed Oct 1 23:36:27 2003 From: paul.morgan at jumanjihouse.com (Paul Morgan) Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 18:36:27 -0500 Subject: numlock at boot In-Reply-To: <1065040109.11637.221.camel@poincare.devel.redhat.com> References: <3F7B2DB8.1030808@lqt.ca> <1065040109.11637.221.camel@poincare.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1065051386.3349.13.camel@vaio.jumanjihouse.com> On Wed, 2003-10-01 at 15:28, Owen Taylor wrote: > For people who want this feature - I'm wondering if simply having > the desktop make the value persistant would be a good solution? > > - If you always want it off, it will stay off > - If you always want it on, it will stay on > - If you use both, then "the way it was when you logged off" > is a pretty good guess for the default value. > > That doesn't help people who want to use the numeric keypad > on the console, but I think that's a relatively small group. > And using the numeric keypad on the login screen seems exotic. It is truly unusual for me to not include at least one numeral in my passwords, though usually I use more than one numeral. > > In GNOME it would be relatively easy to make gnome-settings-daemon > track the current value of the numlock key, store it in gconf, > and then restore on restart. How about: in /etc/sysconfig/keyboard: numlock=on|off|bios|last (on at boot, off at boot, per bios, or "the way it was when you shut down") when X starts, gnome or kde or whatever daemon is responsible for setting numlock would: if [ -r ~/.keyboard ]; then # load this user's preferred layout and numlock # thus allowing user settings to override global settings fi when X restarts, or vty is respawned, then read global settings from /etc/sysconfig/keyboard From JDrabb at tampabay.rr.com Wed Oct 1 23:47:30 2003 From: JDrabb at tampabay.rr.com (James Drabb) Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 19:47:30 -0400 Subject: oOO-1.1 and prelink Message-ID: <1065052050.6010.3.camel@keelie.tampabay.rr.com> Wow, prelinking OOo-1.1 gives very impressive startup times. For the first startup I get 4 seconds, with 2 seconds after that. One other not about prelink, it seems to hose gstreamer or at least programs that use it. After prelinking /usr/bin which has jamboree and sound-juicer in it, those two apps would segfault when I tried to run them. Undoing the prelink on jamboree and sound-juicer fixed them both and now they run. Is there any way to tell the prelink cron job to ignore certain files? I am using Fedora Core 0.94. Jim Drabb -- James Drabb Senior Programmer Analyst Davenport, FL USA From nick at permflux.org Wed Oct 1 23:48:41 2003 From: nick at permflux.org (Nick Verhaegen) Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2003 01:48:41 +0200 Subject: seriously fubar'ed after rawhide updates... Message-ID: <3F7B67D9.5070909@permflux.org> Hi, I was running redhat beta (the first one, not the one redubbed fedora), with daily rawhide updates... Now, after the last batch of updates, about everything that's dynamically linked refuses to run... rpm etc give errors along the lines of error while loading shared libraries : libXXXXX : cannot enable executable stack as shared object requires: Permission denied... Any ideas of how to fix this without reinstalling ? Or is it just beyond hope ? Thx for some help... Nick From christoph.wickert at web.de Wed Oct 1 23:55:42 2003 From: christoph.wickert at web.de (Christoph Wickert) Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2003 01:55:42 +0200 Subject: prefdm really honored?? Message-ID: <1065052542.3327.7.camel@hal9000.lokales.netz> When X starts up, the script /etc/X11/prefdm is executed. It goes like > ... > preferred= > if [ -f /etc/sysconfig/desktop ]; then > . /etc/sysconfig/desktop > if [ "$DISPLAYMANAGER" = GNOME ]; then > preferred=gdm > elif [ "$DISPLAYMANAGER" = KDE ]; then > preferred=kdm > elif [ "$DISPLAYMANAGER" = XDM ]; then > preferred=xdm > fi > fi > ... so I changed /etc/sysconfig/desktop to "KDE" (what I think is stupid, for I don't want to run KDE by default), but still gdm comes up instead of kdm. Is this a bug or did I miss something? IFIAK this happened in RH8/9, too, my only solution was to remove gdm. Christoph -- Christoph Wickert From kaboom at gatech.edu Thu Oct 2 00:00:46 2003 From: kaboom at gatech.edu (Chris Ricker) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 18:00:46 -0600 (MDT) Subject: prefdm really honored?? In-Reply-To: <1065052542.3327.7.camel@hal9000.lokales.netz> References: <1065052542.3327.7.camel@hal9000.lokales.netz> Message-ID: On Thu, 2 Oct 2003, Christoph Wickert wrote: > so I changed /etc/sysconfig/desktop to "KDE" (what I think is stupid, for I don't want to run KDE by default), > but still gdm comes up instead of kdm. Is this a bug or did I miss something? IFIAK this happened in RH8/9, too, > my only solution was to remove gdm. Make sure you changed it by doing DISPLAYMANAGER="KDE" not DESKTOP="KDE" The latter would give you gdm, then KDE by default. The former gives you kdm, then GNOME by default. later, chris From thacker at math.cornell.edu Thu Oct 2 00:02:55 2003 From: thacker at math.cornell.edu (John Alexander Thacker) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 20:02:55 -0400 Subject: numlock at boot In-Reply-To: <1065051386.3349.13.camel@vaio.jumanjihouse.com> References: <3F7B2DB8.1030808@lqt.ca> <1065040109.11637.221.camel@poincare.devel.redhat.com> <1065051386.3349.13.camel@vaio.jumanjihouse.com> Message-ID: <20031002000255.GA891@thacker.dyndns.org> On Wed, Oct 01, 2003 at 06:36:27PM -0500, Paul Morgan wrote: > On Wed, 2003-10-01 at 15:28, Owen Taylor wrote: > > That doesn't help people who want to use the numeric keypad > > on the console, but I think that's a relatively small group. > > And using the numeric keypad on the login screen seems exotic. > > It is truly unusual for me to not include at least one numeral in my > passwords, though usually I use more than one numeral. Not that it's truly important, but it seems to me that when typing a password, using the number keys in the top row of the keyboard is faster than the numeric keypad, unless the password is completely numeric. I'm not the best person to ask, though, since I find the keypad awkward. (It probably has to do with being left-handed, and how I learned to touch-type.) John Thacker From whooperhsd3 at earthlink.net Thu Oct 2 00:04:30 2003 From: whooperhsd3 at earthlink.net (William Hooper) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 20:04:30 -0400 (EDT) Subject: news access? In-Reply-To: <27257A08-F467-11D7-B218-000393B2C96C@Sun.com> References: <13A25875-F44F-11D7-B218-000393B2C96C@Sun.com><65116.65.40.135.3.1065048818.squirrel@whooper.org> <27257A08-F467-11D7-B218-000393B2C96C@Sun.com> Message-ID: <65012.65.40.135.3.1065053070.squirrel@whooper.org> Tommy McNeely said: > ooooooo > > I like it :) > > The real question is, if I start reading my mail there, is there a way > to subscribe to the redhat lists such that I can still post, but dont > actually GET mail :) > Yep, log in at http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list and look for: Disable mail delivery Turn this on if you want mail to not be delivered to you for a little while. You might also check http://gmane.org/post.php, though I have no experience if it is able to post to any Red Hat lists. -- William Hooper From paul.morgan at jumanjihouse.com Thu Oct 2 00:06:45 2003 From: paul.morgan at jumanjihouse.com (Paul Morgan) Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 19:06:45 -0500 Subject: news access? In-Reply-To: <27257A08-F467-11D7-B218-000393B2C96C@Sun.com> References: <13A25875-F44F-11D7-B218-000393B2C96C@Sun.com> <65116.65.40.135.3.1065048818.squirrel@whooper.org> <27257A08-F467-11D7-B218-000393B2C96C@Sun.com> Message-ID: <1065053204.3349.50.camel@vaio.jumanjihouse.com> On Wed, 2003-10-01 at 18:29, Tommy McNeely wrote: > The real question is, if I start reading my mail there, is there a way > to subscribe to the redhat lists such that I can still post, but dont > actually GET mail :) >From the list archive at http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/2003-September/msg01331.html On Wed, Sep 24, 2003 at 08:13:49PM +0100, Ivan A. Beveridge wrote: > AIUI the archives of this list are available on-line, so you could use that. > I'm not sure if you can opt to not receive the emails. Yes, you can opt to not recieve the emails. michaelkjohnson From paul.morgan at jumanjihouse.com Thu Oct 2 00:22:04 2003 From: paul.morgan at jumanjihouse.com (Paul Morgan) Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 19:22:04 -0500 Subject: numlock at boot In-Reply-To: <1065051386.3349.13.camel@vaio.jumanjihouse.com> References: <3F7B2DB8.1030808@lqt.ca> <1065040109.11637.221.camel@poincare.devel.redhat.com> <1065051386.3349.13.camel@vaio.jumanjihouse.com> Message-ID: <1065054124.3349.57.camel@vaio.jumanjihouse.com> On Wed, 2003-10-01 at 18:36, Paul Morgan wrote: > in /etc/sysconfig/keyboard: numlock=on|off|bios|last > (on at boot, off at boot, per bios, or "the way it was when you shut > down") > > when X starts, gnome or kde or whatever daemon is responsible for > setting numlock would: > if [ -r ~/.keyboard ]; then > # load this user's preferred layout and numlock > # thus allowing user settings to override global settings > fi > > when X restarts, or vty is respawned, then read global settings from > /etc/sysconfig/keyboard Note that the default value should be "off" so as not to change the expected behavior for systems without a numlock value. -paul From redhat-jc at insight.rr.com Thu Oct 2 00:45:46 2003 From: redhat-jc at insight.rr.com (Jim - 815 PIII) Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 20:45:46 -0400 Subject: redhat-config-packages bugs In-Reply-To: <200309270937.55136.dennis@ausil.us> References: <200309270937.55136.dennis@ausil.us> Message-ID: <3F7B753A.1000503@insight.rr.com> Either upgrade your comps package with rpm comps*.rpm --oldpackage from the base on the cd or do what I did on two machines. rpm -e comps up2date comps Since Fedora is going to be version 1 and the numbers are lower than 1 for the second test install (0.94), rpm sees the program as older (9.0.x) and ignores the "older" version. The program information is in the comps data and the program information will be incorrect for RH9's version of comps and test 2's version of comps. It's like trying to find a city in Iowa, with an Ohio roadmap. Just upgrade comps, then try again. Jim Dennis Gilmore wrote: > i did an upgrade on my laptop from Red Hat 9 to test 2. i personally don't > use Gnome and normally don't have it installed a friend wanted to see gnome > in action so i went to redhat-config-packages it told me i had no kde and > no gnome packages installed. i have all kde and some gnome stuff as i like > to use applications such as gnomemeeting. i selected all gnome packages to > be installed and got dependencie errors over pspell and aspell deselected > gedit and promptly got asked for Red Hat 9 CD 1it would not continue with > the install so i did the install manually and ran redhat-config-packages > again to see what it would show and again no kde or gnome packages are > installed. in the games it shows i have kdegames installed so its getting > some but not the main desktop ones. anyone seen anything simmiliar > > Dennis > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > From tommy.mcneely at sun.com Thu Oct 2 00:41:55 2003 From: tommy.mcneely at sun.com (Tommy McNeely) Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 18:41:55 -0600 Subject: numlock at boot In-Reply-To: <1065054124.3349.57.camel@vaio.jumanjihouse.com> References: <3F7B2DB8.1030808@lqt.ca> <1065040109.11637.221.camel@poincare.devel.redhat.com> <1065051386.3349.13.camel@vaio.jumanjihouse.com> <1065054124.3349.57.camel@vaio.jumanjihouse.com> Message-ID: <39434C9C-F471-11D7-B218-000393B2C96C@Sun.com> On Oct 1, 2003, at 6:22 PM, Paul Morgan wrote: > On Wed, 2003-10-01 at 18:36, Paul Morgan wrote: >> in /etc/sysconfig/keyboard: numlock=on|off|bios|last >> (on at boot, off at boot, per bios, or "the way it was when you shut >> down") >> >> when X starts, gnome or kde or whatever daemon is responsible for >> setting numlock would: >> if [ -r ~/.keyboard ]; then >> # load this user's preferred layout and numlock >> # thus allowing user settings to override global settings >> fi >> >> when X restarts, or vty is respawned, then read global settings from >> /etc/sysconfig/keyboard > > Note that the default value should be "off" so as not to change the > expected behavior for systems without a numlock value. -paul The default should be BIOS .. laptops generally leave it off in BIOS, but a regular desktop will turn it on.. then it works "as it should have all long" :) Tommy > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From christoph.wickert at web.de Thu Oct 2 00:43:21 2003 From: christoph.wickert at web.de (Christoph Wickert) Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2003 02:43:21 +0200 Subject: prefdm really honored?? In-Reply-To: References: <1065052542.3327.7.camel@hal9000.lokales.netz> Message-ID: <1065055401.4127.1.camel@hal9000.lokales.netz> Am Do, 2003-10-02 um 02.00 schrieb Chris Ricker: > Make sure you changed it by doing > > DISPLAYMANAGER="KDE" > > not > > DESKTOP="KDE" > > The latter would give you gdm, then KDE by default. The former gives you > kdm, then GNOME by default. > > later, > chris > d'oh! Thx Chris (too) From otaylor at redhat.com Thu Oct 2 00:45:47 2003 From: otaylor at redhat.com (Owen Taylor) Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 20:45:47 -0400 Subject: numlock at boot In-Reply-To: <1065051386.3349.13.camel@vaio.jumanjihouse.com> References: <3F7B2DB8.1030808@lqt.ca> <1065040109.11637.221.camel@poincare.devel.redhat.com> <1065051386.3349.13.camel@vaio.jumanjihouse.com> Message-ID: <1065055547.21226.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2003-10-01 at 19:36, Paul Morgan wrote: > On Wed, 2003-10-01 at 15:28, Owen Taylor wrote: > > For people who want this feature - I'm wondering if simply having > > the desktop make the value persistant would be a good solution? > > > > - If you always want it off, it will stay off > > - If you always want it on, it will stay on > > - If you use both, then "the way it was when you logged off" > > is a pretty good guess for the default value. > > > > That doesn't help people who want to use the numeric keypad > > on the console, but I think that's a relatively small group. > > And using the numeric keypad on the login screen seems exotic. > > It is truly unusual for me to not include at least one numeral in my > passwords, though usually I use more than one numeral. I think using the num keypad for a segment of text with a few embedded numbers is pretty unusual. Of course, there is room for all sorts of different keyboarding preferences :-) > > In GNOME it would be relatively easy to make gnome-settings-daemon > > track the current value of the numlock key, store it in gconf, > > and then restore on restart. > > How about: > > in /etc/sysconfig/keyboard: numlock=on|off|bios|last > (on at boot, off at boot, per bios, or "the way it was when you shut > down") As I said earlier, I'm not opposed to this ... I just don't think it solves the problem for *most* users. They'll never find / bother to find the setting. I'm a X/desktop guy, so I tend to concentrate on solutions there; the console is a different world, and one that is typically a lot harder to get right. If somebody wanted to implement an /etc/sysconfig, that sounds like a reasonable contribution to me. Regards, Owen From otaylor at redhat.com Thu Oct 2 00:49:14 2003 From: otaylor at redhat.com (Owen Taylor) Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 20:49:14 -0400 Subject: numlock at boot In-Reply-To: <3F7B54BB.6070402@lqt.ca> References: <3F7B2DB8.1030808@lqt.ca> <1065040109.11637.221.camel@poincare.devel.redhat.com> <20031001204603.GA31400@iago> <1065042694.11637.234.camel@poincare.devel.redhat.com> <3F7B54BB.6070402@lqt.ca> Message-ID: <1065055754.21226.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2003-10-01 at 18:27, Paul Pianta wrote: > Owen Taylor wrote: > > >But I think that making the desktop remember the setting is > >both a lot easier to implement and more convenient for most > >users. > > > > > i would be more than happy with that 8) > > for the few times that i am in pure console mode - i could handle > pressing numlock - for the other 99% of the time that i'm in gnome - > remembering the setting from the last shutdown would rock! > > should i add comments to the bugzilla mentioned in a previous post? There's not really much point in adding "that sounds cool" comments. Once Jonathan has said that it sounds good to him, that makes it an official cool idea, and someone just has to come up with the implementation. > and any chance this would make it into the fedora core final release? I don't really see any chance of it making Fedora Core 1. In GNOME terms, new features will go onto the GNOME-2.6 branch; Having GNOME 2.6 in Fedora Core 2 seems reasonable if everybody stays on schedule. Regards, Owen From tommy.mcneely at sun.com Thu Oct 2 00:51:46 2003 From: tommy.mcneely at sun.com (Tommy McNeely) Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 18:51:46 -0600 Subject: Anaconda detects my Nvidia as ATI Mach64? In-Reply-To: <96EBA7D6-F467-11D7-B218-000393B2C96C@Sun.com> References: <94F14EF2-F44C-11D7-B218-000393B2C96C@Sun.com> <20031001164748.B10387@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <4A541A29-F452-11D7-B218-000393B2C96C@Sun.com> <20031001170651.A30061@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <96EBA7D6-F467-11D7-B218-000393B2C96C@Sun.com> Message-ID: <9918B138-F472-11D7-B218-000393B2C96C@Sun.com> FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUK! OK after a complete re-install I get the same error.. it was the damned updates.img disk :) I feel really really really stupid now :) smp kernel doesnt work (known issue) back to the ATI issue :) [root at cookies export]# diff lspci.install lspci.running 99c99 < Flags: 66Mhz, medium devsel, IRQ 10 --- > Flags: bus master, 66Mhz, medium devsel, latency 64, IRQ 10 Thats not tooo big of a difference, but it IS on the video card :) [root at cookies export]# lspci -v 00:00.0 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] AMD-760 MP [IGD4-2P] System Controller (rev 11) Flags: bus master, medium devsel, latency 64 Memory at 80000000 (32-bit, prefetchable) [size=1024M] Memory at 5000a000 (32-bit, prefetchable) [size=4K] I/O ports at 2030 [disabled] [size=4] Capabilities: [a0] AGP version 2.0 00:01.0 PCI bridge: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] AMD-760 MP [IGD4-2P] AGP Bridge (prog-if 00 [Normal decode]) Flags: bus master, 66Mhz, medium devsel, latency 99 Bus: primary=00, secondary=01, subordinate=01, sec-latency=68 Memory behind bridge: 52000000-52ffffff Prefetchable memory behind bridge: c0000000-c80fffff 00:07.0 ISA bridge: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] AMD-766 [ViperPlus] ISA (rev 02) Flags: bus master, medium devsel, latency 0 00:07.1 IDE interface: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] AMD-766 [ViperPlus] IDE (rev 01) (prog-if 8a [Master SecP PriP]) Flags: medium devsel I/O ports at f000 [size=16] 00:07.3 Bridge: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] AMD-766 [ViperPlus] ACPI (rev 01) Flags: medium devsel 00:07.4 USB Controller: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] AMD-766 [ViperPlus] USB (rev 07) (prog-if 10 [OHCI]) Flags: bus master, medium devsel, latency 16, IRQ 11 Memory at 000dc000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=4K] 00:09.0 SCSI storage controller: Adaptec AHA-2940U/UW/D / AIC-7881U (rev 01) Subsystem: Adaptec AHA-2940UW SCSI Host Adapter Flags: bus master, medium devsel, latency 64, IRQ 10 I/O ports at 1000 [disabled] [size=256] Memory at 50005000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=4K] Expansion ROM at [disabled] [size=64K] Capabilities: [dc] Power Management version 1 00:0b.0 Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs SB Audigy (rev 03) Subsystem: Creative Labs SB0090 Audigy Player Flags: bus master, medium devsel, latency 64, IRQ 11 I/O ports at 2000 [size=32] Capabilities: [dc] Power Management version 2 00:0b.1 Input device controller: Creative Labs SB Audigy MIDI/Game port (rev 03) Subsystem: Creative Labs SB Audigy MIDI/Game Port Flags: bus master, medium devsel, latency 64 I/O ports at 2038 [size=8] Capabilities: [dc] Power Management version 2 00:0b.2 FireWire (IEEE 1394): Creative Labs SB Audigy FireWire Port (prog-if 10 [OHCI]) Subsystem: Creative Labs SB Audigy FireWire Port Flags: bus master, medium devsel, latency 64, IRQ 5 Memory at 50008000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=2K] Memory at 50000000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=16K] Capabilities: [44] Power Management version 2 00:0d.0 SCSI storage controller: Adaptec AIC-7899P U160/m (rev 01) Subsystem: Tyan Computer Thunder K7 S2462 Flags: bus master, 66Mhz, medium devsel, latency 72, IRQ 5 BIST result: 00 I/O ports at 1400 [disabled] [size=256] Memory at 50006000 (64-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=4K] Expansion ROM at [disabled] [size=128K] Capabilities: [dc] Power Management version 2 00:0d.1 SCSI storage controller: Adaptec AIC-7899P U160/m (rev 01) Subsystem: Tyan Computer Thunder K7 S2462 Flags: bus master, 66Mhz, medium devsel, latency 72, IRQ 10 BIST result: 00 I/O ports at 1800 [disabled] [size=256] Memory at 50007000 (64-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=4K] Expansion ROM at [disabled] [size=128K] Capabilities: [dc] Power Management version 2 00:0e.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Rage XL (rev 27) (prog-if 00 [VGA]) Flags: stepping, medium devsel Memory at 51000000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [disabled] [size=16M] I/O ports at 2400 [disabled] [size=256] Memory at 50009000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [disabled] [size=4K] Expansion ROM at [disabled] [size=128K] Capabilities: [5c] Power Management version 2 00:0f.0 Ethernet controller: 3Com Corporation 3c980-TX 10/100baseTX NIC [Python-T] (rev 78) Subsystem: Tyan Computer Thunder K7 S2462 Flags: bus master, medium devsel, latency 80, IRQ 3 I/O ports at 1c00 [size=128] Memory at 50008800 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=128] Expansion ROM at [disabled] [size=128K] Capabilities: [dc] Power Management version 2 00:10.0 Ethernet controller: 3Com Corporation 3c980-TX 10/100baseTX NIC [Python-T] (rev 78) Subsystem: Tyan Computer Thunder K7 S2462 Flags: bus master, medium devsel, latency 80, IRQ 11 I/O ports at 1c80 [size=128] Memory at 50008c00 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=128] Expansion ROM at [disabled] [size=128K] Capabilities: [dc] Power Management version 2 01:05.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV25 [GeForce4 Ti 4600] (rev a3) (prog-if 00 [VGA]) Subsystem: VISIONTEK: Unknown device 0037 Flags: bus master, 66Mhz, medium devsel, latency 64, IRQ 10 Memory at 52000000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=16M] Memory at c0000000 (32-bit, prefetchable) [size=128M] Memory at c8000000 (32-bit, prefetchable) [size=512K] Expansion ROM at [disabled] [size=128K] Capabilities: [60] Power Management version 2 Capabilities: [44] AGP version 2.0 On Oct 1, 2003, at 5:32 PM, Tommy McNeely wrote: > > OK, well after getting "operating system not found" .. I decided to > install again (and this time heed the warning and include a /boot :) > > Its curious.. appearantly my system has a built in (but disabled) ATI > Rage XL card that must be whats getting detected... I cannot paste the > output yet, but I have saved it in /mnt/sysimage for later use. > > I just find it strange that it worked in RH8 and RH9 .. failed in > severn1 and fedora-test-2? > > Tommy > > > > On Oct 1, 2003, at 3:06 PM, Bill Nottingham wrote: > >> Tommy McNeely (tommy.mcneely at sun.com) said: >>> during the install, or after its done? >> >> Either. If it changes depending on the environment, >> we've got bigger problems. :) >> >> Bill >> >> >> -- >> fedora-test-list mailing list >> fedora-test-list at redhat.com >> http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From paul.morgan at jumanjihouse.com Thu Oct 2 00:56:42 2003 From: paul.morgan at jumanjihouse.com (Paul Morgan) Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 19:56:42 -0500 Subject: numlock at boot In-Reply-To: <39434C9C-F471-11D7-B218-000393B2C96C@Sun.com> References: <3F7B2DB8.1030808@lqt.ca> <1065040109.11637.221.camel@poincare.devel.redhat.com> <1065051386.3349.13.camel@vaio.jumanjihouse.com> <1065054124.3349.57.camel@vaio.jumanjihouse.com> <39434C9C-F471-11D7-B218-000393B2C96C@Sun.com> Message-ID: <1065056202.3349.61.camel@vaio.jumanjihouse.com> On Wed, 2003-10-01 at 19:41, Tommy McNeely wrote: > The default should be BIOS .. laptops generally leave it off in BIOS, > but a regular desktop will turn it on.. then it works "as it should > have all long" :) Last month I would have agreed with you; now it's a toss-up with tie-breaking deference to previous behavior. Somebody on the list (can't remember now) pointed out that some broken software depends on numlock being off. Not the fault of linux/red hat/etc, yet the principle should be imho to respect previous defaults if the argument can go either way. -paul From dkl at redhat.com Thu Oct 2 00:57:38 2003 From: dkl at redhat.com (Dave Lawrence) Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 20:57:38 -0400 Subject: Bugzilla System Back Message-ID: <1065040648.7690.22.camel@dhcp59-114.rdu.redhat.com> Due to technical failures, bugzilla.redhat.com was down for a period of time on Wednesday morning EST, Oct 1st. It has since been resolved and should be accessible again. Unfortunately there was some slight data loss involved. If you filed a bug report or made any bug changes from 4:00 am EST Sept 30th to 9:00 am Oct 1st, please refile them if possible. Sorry for the inconvenience. Thanks David Lawrence Red Hat, Inc. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list at redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list From nick at permflux.org Thu Oct 2 01:04:15 2003 From: nick at permflux.org (Nick Verhaegen) Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2003 03:04:15 +0200 Subject: seriously fubar'ed after rawhide updates... In-Reply-To: <3F7B67D9.5070909@permflux.org> References: <3F7B67D9.5070909@permflux.org> Message-ID: <3F7B798F.3000701@permflux.org> Hi again... We live, we learn :) I managed to fix it myself... I do my updates using apt, and that doesn't automatically do kernel updates... Apparently, when you install the new glibc and/or binutils, and don't upgrade the kernel, you get fubar'ed... I managed to boot from an old redhat 9 cd with rpm on it, mount my old filesystem, and discovered the wonders of rpm --root and upgraded to all the latest rawhide packages... This fixed it... Nick Verhaegen wrote: > Hi, > > I was running redhat beta (the first one, not the one redubbed > fedora), with daily rawhide updates... Now, after the last batch of > updates, about everything that's dynamically linked refuses to run... > > rpm etc give errors along the lines of > error while loading shared libraries : libXXXXX : cannot enable > executable stack as shared object requires: Permission denied... > > Any ideas of how to fix this without reinstalling ? Or is it just > beyond hope ? > > Thx for some help... > > Nick > > > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > From paul.morgan at jumanjihouse.com Thu Oct 2 01:05:59 2003 From: paul.morgan at jumanjihouse.com (Paul Morgan) Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 20:05:59 -0500 Subject: numlock at boot In-Reply-To: <1065055547.21226.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <3F7B2DB8.1030808@lqt.ca> <1065040109.11637.221.camel@poincare.devel.redhat.com> <1065051386.3349.13.camel@vaio.jumanjihouse.com> <1065055547.21226.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1065056759.3349.70.camel@vaio.jumanjihouse.com> On Wed, 2003-10-01 at 19:45, Owen Taylor wrote: > > in /etc/sysconfig/keyboard: numlock=on|off|bios|last > > (on at boot, off at boot, per bios, or "the way it was when you shut > > down") > > As I said earlier, I'm not opposed to this ... I just don't think > it solves the problem for *most* users. They'll never find / bother > to find the setting. I'm a X/desktop guy, so I tend to concentrate > on solutions there; the console is a different world, and one > that is typically a lot harder to get right. redhat-config-keyboard (fedora-config-keyboard?) or other gui app that modifies the config files (in the grand tradition)? > > If somebody wanted to implement an /etc/sysconfig, that sounds > like a reasonable contribution to me. hmmmmmm. off the top of my head, it seems it would require only minor change to rc.sysinit but probably a more significant change to mingetty. i'll have to look at the license for numlockx but that could be modified to look at the config files, too. hmmm.... From notting at redhat.com Thu Oct 2 01:45:44 2003 From: notting at redhat.com (Bill Nottingham) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 21:45:44 -0400 Subject: Anaconda detects my Nvidia as ATI Mach64? In-Reply-To: <96EBA7D6-F467-11D7-B218-000393B2C96C@Sun.com>; from tommy.mcneely@sun.com on Wed, Oct 01, 2003 at 05:32:58PM -0600 References: <94F14EF2-F44C-11D7-B218-000393B2C96C@Sun.com> <20031001164748.B10387@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <4A541A29-F452-11D7-B218-000393B2C96C@Sun.com> <20031001170651.A30061@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <96EBA7D6-F467-11D7-B218-000393B2C96C@Sun.com> Message-ID: <20031001214543.A5105@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Tommy McNeely (tommy.mcneely at sun.com) said: > Its curious.. appearantly my system has a built in (but disabled) ATI > Rage XL card that must be whats getting detected... I cannot paste the > output yet, but I have saved it in /mnt/sysimage for later use. OK, I know where that's coming from. Please file a bug so I remember to fix it. :) Bill From fedora-test-list at hourfollowshour.org Thu Oct 2 02:14:29 2003 From: fedora-test-list at hourfollowshour.org (Fedora-Test-List) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 22:14:29 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Laptop Sony Vaio R505TS - test2 - ACPI In-Reply-To: <20031002003806.15382.24317.Mailman@listman.back-rdu.redhat.com> References: <20031002003806.15382.24317.Mailman@listman.back-rdu.redhat.com> Message-ID: <32838.216.254.115.235.1065060869.squirrel@www.insue.com> All: I've done a fresh install of Fedora test2 on my Sony Vaio R505TS (ACPI based). ACPI doesn't seem to work, the Gnome battery applet gives me no love, and there aren't the directories in /proc/acpi that there are when I run a ACPI custom patched kernel. I've got the following boot params set: nogui acpi=on pci=biosirq # ps -ef | grep acpi root 3137 1 0 21:47 ? 00:00:00 /usr/sbin/acpid root 3822 3772 0 22:09 pts/0 00:00:00 grep acpi # ls -la /proc/acpi/ total 0 dr-xr-xr-x 6 root root 0 Oct 1 21:47 . dr-xr-xr-x 98 root root 0 Oct 1 17:46 .. -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Oct 1 22:10 alarm dr-xr-xr-x 2 root root 0 Oct 1 22:10 asus dr-xr-xr-x 4 root root 0 Oct 1 22:10 button -r-------- 1 root root 0 Oct 1 22:10 dsdt dr-xr-xr-x 3 root root 0 Oct 1 22:10 embedded_controller -r-------- 1 root root 0 Oct 1 21:47 event -r-------- 1 root root 0 Oct 1 22:10 fadt -r--r--r-- 1 root root 0 Oct 1 22:10 info dr-xr-xr-x 2 root root 0 Oct 1 22:10 power_resource -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Oct 1 22:10 sleep Any direction or things to try would be most appreciated, thanks. Please cc' me on your reply as I'm in digest mode. Louis From cochranb at speakeasy.net Thu Oct 2 02:42:25 2003 From: cochranb at speakeasy.net (Robert L Cochran) Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 22:42:25 -0400 Subject: Laptop Sony Vaio R505TS - test2 - ACPI In-Reply-To: <32838.216.254.115.235.1065060869.squirrel@www.insue.com> References: <20031002003806.15382.24317.Mailman@listman.back-rdu.redhat.com> <32838.216.254.115.235.1065060869.squirrel@www.insue.com> Message-ID: <3F7B9091.3000201@speakeasy.net> pass this in your kernel parameters: acpi=on as in kernel /vmlinuz-2.4.22-1.2061.nptl ro root=LABEL=/ acpi=on in /boot/grub/grub.conf...read the release notes also. Bob Fedora-Test-List wrote: > All: > > I've done a fresh install of Fedora test2 on my Sony Vaio R505TS (ACPI > based). > > ACPI doesn't seem to work, the Gnome battery applet gives me no love, and > there aren't the directories in /proc/acpi that there are when I run a > ACPI custom patched kernel. > > I've got the following boot params set: > nogui acpi=on pci=biosirq > > # ps -ef | grep acpi > root 3137 1 0 21:47 ? 00:00:00 /usr/sbin/acpid > root 3822 3772 0 22:09 pts/0 00:00:00 grep acpi > > # ls -la /proc/acpi/ > total 0 > dr-xr-xr-x 6 root root 0 Oct 1 21:47 . > dr-xr-xr-x 98 root root 0 Oct 1 17:46 .. > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Oct 1 22:10 alarm > dr-xr-xr-x 2 root root 0 Oct 1 22:10 asus > dr-xr-xr-x 4 root root 0 Oct 1 22:10 button > -r-------- 1 root root 0 Oct 1 22:10 dsdt > dr-xr-xr-x 3 root root 0 Oct 1 22:10 embedded_controller > -r-------- 1 root root 0 Oct 1 21:47 event > -r-------- 1 root root 0 Oct 1 22:10 fadt > -r--r--r-- 1 root root 0 Oct 1 22:10 info > dr-xr-xr-x 2 root root 0 Oct 1 22:10 power_resource > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Oct 1 22:10 sleep > > Any direction or things to try would be most appreciated, thanks. > > Please cc' me on your reply as I'm in digest mode. > > Louis > > > > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > -- Bob Cochran Greenbelt, Maryland, USA http://greenbeltcomputer.biz/ From fedora-test-list at hourfollowshour.org Thu Oct 2 02:47:27 2003 From: fedora-test-list at hourfollowshour.org (Fedora-Test-List) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 22:47:27 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Laptop Sony Vaio R505TS - test2 - ACPI In-Reply-To: <3F7B9091.3000201@speakeasy.net> References: <20031002003806.15382.24317.Mailman@listman.back-rdu.redhat.com> <32838.216.254.115.235.1065060869.squirrel@www.insue.com> <3F7B9091.3000201@speakeasy.net> Message-ID: <4268.216.254.115.235.1065062847.squirrel@www.insue.com> Yup, I got that (see below!) in place already. Does it matter what order those params are? >> I've got the following boot params set: >> nogui acpi=on pci=biosirq Louis > pass this in your kernel parameters: > > acpi=on > > as in > > kernel /vmlinuz-2.4.22-1.2061.nptl ro root=LABEL=/ acpi=on > > in /boot/grub/grub.conf...read the release notes also. > > Bob > > Fedora-Test-List wrote: >> All: >> >> I've done a fresh install of Fedora test2 on my Sony Vaio R505TS (ACPI >> based). >> >> ACPI doesn't seem to work, the Gnome battery applet gives me no love, >> and there aren't the directories in /proc/acpi that there are when I >> run a ACPI custom patched kernel. >> >> I've got the following boot params set: >> nogui acpi=on pci=biosirq >> >> # ps -ef | grep acpi >> root 3137 1 0 21:47 ? 00:00:00 /usr/sbin/acpid >> root 3822 3772 0 22:09 pts/0 00:00:00 grep acpi >> >> # ls -la /proc/acpi/ >> total 0 >> dr-xr-xr-x 6 root root 0 Oct 1 21:47 . >> dr-xr-xr-x 98 root root 0 Oct 1 17:46 .. >> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Oct 1 22:10 alarm >> dr-xr-xr-x 2 root root 0 Oct 1 22:10 asus >> dr-xr-xr-x 4 root root 0 Oct 1 22:10 button >> -r-------- 1 root root 0 Oct 1 22:10 dsdt >> dr-xr-xr-x 3 root root 0 Oct 1 22:10 >> embedded_controller -r-------- 1 root root 0 Oct 1 >> 21:47 event >> -r-------- 1 root root 0 Oct 1 22:10 fadt >> -r--r--r-- 1 root root 0 Oct 1 22:10 info >> dr-xr-xr-x 2 root root 0 Oct 1 22:10 power_resource >> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Oct 1 22:10 sleep >> >> Any direction or things to try would be most appreciated, thanks. >> >> Please cc' me on your reply as I'm in digest mode. >> >> Louis >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> fedora-test-list mailing list >> fedora-test-list at redhat.com >> http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list >> >> > > -- > Bob Cochran > Greenbelt, Maryland, USA > http://greenbeltcomputer.biz/ From cochranb at speakeasy.net Thu Oct 2 02:56:14 2003 From: cochranb at speakeasy.net (Robert L Cochran) Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 22:56:14 -0400 Subject: Laptop Sony Vaio R505TS - test2 - ACPI In-Reply-To: <4268.216.254.115.235.1065062847.squirrel@www.insue.com> References: <20031002003806.15382.24317.Mailman@listman.back-rdu.redhat.com> <32838.216.254.115.235.1065060869.squirrel@www.insue.com> <3F7B9091.3000201@speakeasy.net> <4268.216.254.115.235.1065062847.squirrel@www.insue.com> Message-ID: <3F7B93CE.1040202@speakeasy.net> I'm not sure why you need pci=biosirq? Maybe check your dmesg output -- scroll through it for kernel messages. Bob Fedora-Test-List wrote: > Yup, > > I got that (see below!) in place already. Does it matter what order those > params are? > > >>>I've got the following boot params set: >>>nogui acpi=on pci=biosirq > > > Louis > > > >>pass this in your kernel parameters: >> >>acpi=on >> >>as in >> >>kernel /vmlinuz-2.4.22-1.2061.nptl ro root=LABEL=/ acpi=on >> >>in /boot/grub/grub.conf...read the release notes also. >> >>Bob >> >>Fedora-Test-List wrote: >> >>>All: >>> >>>I've done a fresh install of Fedora test2 on my Sony Vaio R505TS (ACPI >>>based). >>> >>>ACPI doesn't seem to work, the Gnome battery applet gives me no love, >>>and there aren't the directories in /proc/acpi that there are when I >>>run a ACPI custom patched kernel. >>> >>>I've got the following boot params set: >>>nogui acpi=on pci=biosirq >>> >>># ps -ef | grep acpi >>>root 3137 1 0 21:47 ? 00:00:00 /usr/sbin/acpid >>>root 3822 3772 0 22:09 pts/0 00:00:00 grep acpi >>> >>># ls -la /proc/acpi/ >>>total 0 >>>dr-xr-xr-x 6 root root 0 Oct 1 21:47 . >>>dr-xr-xr-x 98 root root 0 Oct 1 17:46 .. >>>-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Oct 1 22:10 alarm >>>dr-xr-xr-x 2 root root 0 Oct 1 22:10 asus >>>dr-xr-xr-x 4 root root 0 Oct 1 22:10 button >>>-r-------- 1 root root 0 Oct 1 22:10 dsdt >>>dr-xr-xr-x 3 root root 0 Oct 1 22:10 >>>embedded_controller -r-------- 1 root root 0 Oct 1 >>>21:47 event >>>-r-------- 1 root root 0 Oct 1 22:10 fadt >>>-r--r--r-- 1 root root 0 Oct 1 22:10 info >>>dr-xr-xr-x 2 root root 0 Oct 1 22:10 power_resource >>>-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Oct 1 22:10 sleep >>> >>>Any direction or things to try would be most appreciated, thanks. >>> >>>Please cc' me on your reply as I'm in digest mode. >>> >>>Louis >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>-- >>>fedora-test-list mailing list >>>fedora-test-list at redhat.com >>>http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list >>> >>> >> >>-- >>Bob Cochran >>Greenbelt, Maryland, USA >>http://greenbeltcomputer.biz/ > > > > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > -- Bob Cochran Greenbelt, Maryland, USA http://greenbeltcomputer.biz/ From Tommy.McNeely at Sun.com Thu Oct 2 03:02:09 2003 From: Tommy.McNeely at Sun.com (Tommy McNeely) Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 21:02:09 -0600 Subject: Anaconda detects my Nvidia as ATI Mach64? References: <94F14EF2-F44C-11D7-B218-000393B2C96C@Sun.com> <20031001164748.B10387@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <4A541A29-F452-11D7-B218-000393B2C96C@Sun.com> <20031001170651.A30061@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <96EBA7D6-F467-11D7-B218-000393B2C96C@Sun.com> <20031001214543.A5105@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 01 Oct 2003 21:45:44 -0400, Bill Nottingham wrote: > Tommy McNeely (tommy.mcneely at sun.com) said: >> [quoted text muted] > > OK, I know where that's coming from. Please file a bug so I remember to > fix it. :) > > Bill I have posted the bug, although you may need to re-cat it, as I was not sure whether to put it in as an X config problem or anaconda problem :) https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=106030 Tommy PS: does anyone else get "REQUEST URI TOO LONG" when the commit from the bug generation tool... I always have to copy out my "additional info" section.. hit commit.. then put it back in on the new window... perhaps that should be changed from GET to POST? From redhat-jc at insight.rr.com Thu Oct 2 03:16:35 2003 From: redhat-jc at insight.rr.com (Jim - 815 PIII) Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 23:16:35 -0400 Subject: guidance needed In-Reply-To: <200310011141.44639.czar@czarc.net> References: <200310011141.44639.czar@czarc.net> Message-ID: <3F7B9893.5080404@insight.rr.com> I would like to see severn2 updates to resolve current bugs with programs. Rawhide does have a counter-attack of introducing problems into the system, like mine is mozilla grey (or gray) screens on me and has to be killall -9 mozilla-bin to drop out of the screen. I'm getting the hang of using Netscape 7.1 or various alternative programs when things go badly with rawhide upgrades. severn2 updates should = WORKSFORME improvements that are not yet QA'ed. rawhide = never know what'll be on the trails. Just my opinion. Jim ----------------- Gene C. wrote: > OK, rawhide is being updated but rhn for servern-beta2 is not. For testing, > except is specific cases, do you want us to stick pretty closely to what you > publish in rhn or do you want us to do lots of updated from rawhide when they > appear? > > Sometimes rawhide contains packages which have big problems whereas rhn (even > for test) is usually pretty good. For testing, I expect that something may > go wrong and may even trash the system requiring a re-install ... this is an > assumed condition. > > How do you want us to proceed? > > BTW, both bugzilla and rhn servers seem to be having problems right now. From michael at unixtx.com Thu Oct 2 03:25:12 2003 From: michael at unixtx.com (Michael Shuler) Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 22:25:12 -0500 Subject: ANNOUNCE: Severn Test 2 Anaconda Updates Image Available In-Reply-To: <200309291953.12143.lowen@pari.edu> References: <200309292134.h8TLYAs04229@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <200309291953.12143.lowen@pari.edu> Message-ID: <3F7B9A98.9020606@unixtx.com> Lamar Owen wrote: > dual PPro 200 SUperMicro P6DNE, This board works well with grub with a BIOS flash to the latest version. I performed this BIOS upgrade to run the PII 333Mhz OD procs, and grub has no problems. -- Kind Regards, Michael Shuler :: michael at unixtx.com UNIX Administration Solutions :: http://unixtx.com From rhl at farorbit.com Thu Oct 2 04:07:27 2003 From: rhl at farorbit.com (stephan schutter) Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 23:07:27 -0500 Subject: text vs. graphical boot In-Reply-To: <1064878613.16345.88.camel@mirkwood.devel.redhat.com> References: <200309292327.h8TNRNU16787@garfield.bwh.harvard.edu> <1064878613.16345.88.camel@mirkwood.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <3F7BA47F.9010907@farorbit.com> Are you planning to cover the ugly/scary/intimidating/non-desktopish kernel boot with a splash screen ala Mandrake, SuSE, Lindows, Lycoris, Xandros, et. al? Jeremy Katz wrote: >On Mon, 2003-09-29 at 19:27, Andre Robatino wrote: > > >> This is probably a dumb question, but how do I get back the text boot >>while preserving the graphical login? >> >> > > o Fedora Core 0.94 now uses a graphical interface while booting. The > graphical boot screen will appear once the kernel has loaded. > Presently the graphical boot interface has known issues with respect > to interactions with the Kudzu hardware probing tool; work on > resolving these issues is proceeding. Graphical booting is controlled > by the GRAPHICAL line in the /etc/sysconfig/init file; set it to "no" > to permanently disable graphical booting. > > To disable graphical booting, append "nogui" to your bootloader > command line. > >Cheers, > >Jeremy > > >-- >fedora-test-list mailing list >fedora-test-list at redhat.com >http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > From czar at czarc.net Thu Oct 2 05:17:46 2003 From: czar at czarc.net (Gene C.) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 01:17:46 -0400 Subject: news access? In-Reply-To: <13A25875-F44F-11D7-B218-000393B2C96C@Sun.com> References: <13A25875-F44F-11D7-B218-000393B2C96C@Sun.com> Message-ID: <200310020117.46057.czar@czarc.net> On Wednesday 01 October 2003 16:37, Tommy McNeely wrote: > I am sure this battle has been fought before.. but wouldn't these > aliases work better as a discussion group on a news server? it seems > that every mail client (server?) I use just doesn't like having > tousands of messages in a mailbox :-) Try news://news.redhat.com -- Gene From stephen at sting.skmoore.com Thu Oct 2 05:02:52 2003 From: stephen at sting.skmoore.com (Stephen Moore) Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2003 15:02:52 +1000 Subject: INTEL SE 7505 VB2 won't boot Message-ID: I have a dual xeon computer with a intel 7505 motherboard that wont boot with fedora test 2. I was running RH9 with a custom kernel (to speed up sata) and am still running on this kernel 2.4.22 + fedora test 2. I boot from a pata drive /home is a raid 5 array Test 2 fails after the start of the md startup ( 4 X SATA disks) and by itself gives a kernel opps in raid5sync I tried pci=noapic and noapic oarameters on bootup. noapic seemed to make no difference pci=noapic progressed to enabling local filesystem quotas [OK] then hung Where do I go to from here? From jakub at redhat.com Thu Oct 2 05:59:17 2003 From: jakub at redhat.com (Jakub Jelinek) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 01:59:17 -0400 Subject: oOO-1.1 and prelink In-Reply-To: <1065052050.6010.3.camel@keelie.tampabay.rr.com>; from JDrabb@tampabay.rr.com on Wed, Oct 01, 2003 at 07:47:30PM -0400 References: <1065052050.6010.3.camel@keelie.tampabay.rr.com> Message-ID: <20031002015917.C26086@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Wed, Oct 01, 2003 at 07:47:30PM -0400, James Drabb wrote: > Wow, prelinking OOo-1.1 gives very impressive startup times. > For the first startup I get 4 seconds, with 2 seconds after that. > > One other not about prelink, it seems to hose gstreamer or at least > programs that use it. After prelinking /usr/bin which has jamboree and > sound-juicer in it, those two apps would segfault when I tried to run > them. Undoing the prelink on jamboree and sound-juicer fixed them both > and now they run. Is there any way to tell the prelink cron job to > ignore certain files? I am using Fedora Core 0.94. No, but this thing is better to be debugged and decided whether it is gstreamer bug or prelink bug. Can you please give me: tar chjf prelinked.tar.bz2 @PROGRAM@ `ldd @PROGRAM@ | awk '{print $3}'` (when it is prelinked and segfaults; plus a step by step way how to reproduce the segfault) and tar chjf nonprelinked.tar.bz2 @PROGRAM@ `ldd @PROGRAM@ | awk '{print $3}'` after you unprelink it (and make sure it works)? Jakub From seanc at tech-access.com Thu Oct 2 06:13:58 2003 From: seanc at tech-access.com (Sean Craig) Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2003 10:13:58 +0400 Subject: Laptop Sony Vaio R505TS - test2 - ACPI In-Reply-To: <32838.216.254.115.235.1065060869.squirrel@www.insue.com> References: <20031002003806.15382.24317.Mailman@listman.back-rdu.redhat.com> <32838.216.254.115.235.1065060869.squirrel@www.insue.com> Message-ID: <3F7BC226.5020700@tech-access.com> Hi Louis, I had a similar problem with a Toshiba laptop. It seems that the acpi-related modules are not being loaded. Edit your /etc/rc.d/init.d/acpid ..... ..... start() { # Check if it is already running if [ ! -f /var/lock/subsys/$PROGNAME ]; then echo -n $"Starting acpi daemon: " # add apci modules - button only default! modprobe ac > /dev/null 2>&1 modprobe battery > /dev/null 2>&1 modprobe button > /dev/null 2>&1 modprobe fan > /dev/null 2>&1 modprobe processor > /dev/null 2>&1 modprobe thermal > /dev/null 2>&1 daemon /usr/sbin/$PROGNAME RETVAL=$? [ $RETVAL -eq 0 ] && touch /var/lock/subsys/$PROGNAME echo fi return $RETVAL } That fixed me. Sean Craig Fedora-Test-List wrote: >All: > >I've done a fresh install of Fedora test2 on my Sony Vaio R505TS (ACPI >based). > >ACPI doesn't seem to work, the Gnome battery applet gives me no love, and >there aren't the directories in /proc/acpi that there are when I run a >ACPI custom patched kernel. > >I've got the following boot params set: >nogui acpi=on pci=biosirq > ># ps -ef | grep acpi >root 3137 1 0 21:47 ? 00:00:00 /usr/sbin/acpid >root 3822 3772 0 22:09 pts/0 00:00:00 grep acpi > ># ls -la /proc/acpi/ >total 0 >dr-xr-xr-x 6 root root 0 Oct 1 21:47 . >dr-xr-xr-x 98 root root 0 Oct 1 17:46 .. >-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Oct 1 22:10 alarm >dr-xr-xr-x 2 root root 0 Oct 1 22:10 asus >dr-xr-xr-x 4 root root 0 Oct 1 22:10 button >-r-------- 1 root root 0 Oct 1 22:10 dsdt >dr-xr-xr-x 3 root root 0 Oct 1 22:10 embedded_controller >-r-------- 1 root root 0 Oct 1 21:47 event >-r-------- 1 root root 0 Oct 1 22:10 fadt >-r--r--r-- 1 root root 0 Oct 1 22:10 info >dr-xr-xr-x 2 root root 0 Oct 1 22:10 power_resource >-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Oct 1 22:10 sleep > >Any direction or things to try would be most appreciated, thanks. > >Please cc' me on your reply as I'm in digest mode. > >Louis > > > > > >-- >fedora-test-list mailing list >fedora-test-list at redhat.com >http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > From ossamak at nht.com.kw Thu Oct 2 06:30:00 2003 From: ossamak at nht.com.kw (Ossama Khayaat) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 09:30:00 +0300 Subject: Careful! Mirror (ftp.tuwien.ac.at) not up to date Message-ID: <1F336C4559FF244A90D52EFEABE98AD607CC55@nimo.nhpro.kw> Hello all, Just be careful that this mirror ftp://ftp.tuwien.ac.at/opsys/linux/redhat.com/dist/linux/beta/severn/en/iso/i386 isn't upto date yet! After I downloaded the MD5SUM from there, I thought all of my downloads were corrupted, but noticed that the date is still 14/7/2003 and not 24/9/2003. So, just be careful :) Ossama Khayat --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.522 / Virus Database: 320 - Release Date: 9/29/2003 From craig at postnewspapers.com.au Thu Oct 2 07:13:34 2003 From: craig at postnewspapers.com.au (Craig Ringer) Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2003 15:13:34 +0800 Subject: speedtch.o Error In-Reply-To: <3F7B0580.7040007@georgs.org> References: <3F7B0580.7040007@georgs.org> Message-ID: <3F7BD01E.5020108@postnewspapers.com.au> > Alcatel Speedtouch USB Modem > > Sometimes (not always) if I boot up I get the error-message (i don't > remember correctly) > > insmod error cannot load module speetch.o > speedtch already loaded Perhaps you've got it being loaded in /etc/rc.local or somewhere like that, and beta 2 is smart enough to detect and load the device automatically first? It's just a guess, but would make sense if you've upgraded from RH9. Craig Ringer From ossamak at nht.com.kw Thu Oct 2 07:29:56 2003 From: ossamak at nht.com.kw (Ossama Khayaat) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 10:29:56 +0300 Subject: Boot images Message-ID: <1F336C4559FF244A90D52EFEABE98AD607CC56@nimo.nhpro.kw> Hi, Trying to create boot disks, the only image that works is bootdisk.img, while if I want to use any of the other images (drvblock.img, drvnet.img, pcmciadd.img) they don't work at all. What I mean is, after I use rawritewin.exe to create the disk, and it says it's created successfully, I can't access the floppy from windows. Also, I can't boot from any of these images. I tried downloading the drvnet.img from the internet, but still it doesn't work. Finally, the iso images I'm using are downloaded correctly (I checked the MD5SUM and it's correct. Any help would be greately appreciated. Regards, Ossama Khayat --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.522 / Virus Database: 320 - Release Date: 9/29/2003 From felipe_alfaro at linuxmail.org Thu Oct 2 07:38:24 2003 From: felipe_alfaro at linuxmail.org (Felipe Alfaro Solana) Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2003 09:38:24 +0200 Subject: Stopping VMware from complaining about DGA In-Reply-To: <3F7B5A24.8010603@iprimus.com.au> References: <1065046347.3901.9.camel@teapot.felipe-alfaro.com> <3F7B5A24.8010603@iprimus.com.au> Message-ID: <1065080303.1453.6.camel@teapot.felipe-alfaro.com> On Thu, 2003-10-02 at 00:50, Michael Kearey wrote: > Why ask here ? This is clearly something very much to do with VMware, > and very little to do with Fedora.. I did know when I posted the message, but I also did know that there a lot of knowledgeable people here which probably have the answer for my problems. > If you check out the VMware news groups you will find quite a bit of > info on how to stop various popup messages. > Search criteria 'DGA warning group:vmware.*' Finds a thread a Google > with all the info you need, except for the mouse-less config. > > Since you seem Googless, here is the info: > > Put in the .vmware/config file > > disable_acceleration = "TRUE" > xinfo.noDGA = "TRUE" > xinfo.noDGAAccel = "TRUE" > svga.noDGA = "TRUE" Well, this looked promising, but in the end, VMware keeps complaining about DGA when it's run on an Xvnc session. I'll ask in the VMware news groups. Thanks! From louisg00 at bellsouth.net Thu Oct 2 07:40:12 2003 From: louisg00 at bellsouth.net (Louis Garcia) Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2003 03:40:12 -0400 Subject: just installed new kernel and graphical boot doesn't work Message-ID: <1065080412.18851.3.camel@tiger> just installed latest rawhide kernel and graphical boot doesn't work anymore. /etc/sysconfig/init is set to yes and / is in one partition. Any suggestions? --Lou From traxtopel at fastmail.fm Thu Oct 2 08:28:32 2003 From: traxtopel at fastmail.fm (traxtopel) Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2003 10:28:32 +0200 Subject: wine security-patched kernel ? Message-ID: <1065083311.8635.1.camel@dyn-9-142-20-60.ams.nl.ibm.com> Trying to run an application using wine on fedora core 0.94 results in .. err:virtual:map_image Standard load address for a Win32 program (0x00400000) not available - security-patched kernel ? /usr/bin/wine-freelance: could not load 'C:\lotus\flg\f32main.exe' as Win32 binary "security-patched kernel ?" What has changed in the redhat kernel which has caused this problem? -- traxtopel From pmatilai at welho.com Thu Oct 2 08:43:21 2003 From: pmatilai at welho.com (Panu Matilainen) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 11:43:21 +0300 Subject: wine security-patched kernel ? In-Reply-To: <1065083311.8635.1.camel@dyn-9-142-20-60.ams.nl.ibm.com> References: <1065083311.8635.1.camel@dyn-9-142-20-60.ams.nl.ibm.com> Message-ID: <1065084201.3f7be529c524b@webmail.welho.com> Quoting traxtopel : > Trying to run an application using wine on fedora core 0.94 results in > .. > err:virtual:map_image Standard load address for a Win32 program > (0x00400000) not available - security-patched kernel ? > /usr/bin/wine-freelance: could not load 'C:\lotus\flg\f32main.exe' as > Win32 binary > > "security-patched kernel ?" > > What has changed in the redhat kernel which has caused this problem? Exec-Shield I'd guess. -- - Panu - From mingo at redhat.com Thu Oct 2 09:27:37 2003 From: mingo at redhat.com (Ingo Molnar) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 05:27:37 -0400 (EDT) Subject: wine security-patched kernel ? In-Reply-To: <1065083311.8635.1.camel@dyn-9-142-20-60.ams.nl.ibm.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 2 Oct 2003, traxtopel wrote: > Trying to run an application using wine on fedora core 0.94 results in > .. > err:virtual:map_image Standard load address for a Win32 program > (0x00400000) not available - security-patched kernel ? > /usr/bin/wine-freelance: could not load 'C:\lotus\flg\f32main.exe' as > Win32 binary > > "security-patched kernel ?" does it work if you run it via 'setarch i386 wine whatever.exe'? if not, does it work if you do: echo 0 > /proc/sys/kernel/exec-shield if not, does it work if you do 'export LD_ASSUME_KERNEL=2.4.19' beforehand? Ingo From megahz at megahz.org Thu Oct 2 10:27:47 2003 From: megahz at megahz.org (Andreas Constantinides (MegaHz)) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 13:27:47 +0300 Subject: Boot images References: <1F336C4559FF244A90D52EFEABE98AD607CC56@nimo.nhpro.kw> Message-ID: <002a01c388cf$d3dfc050$42c8a8c0@odysseyconsultants.com> can some one give me a working mirror to download severn ? Thank you. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ossama Khayaat" To: Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 10:29 AM Subject: Boot images > Hi, > Trying to create boot disks, the only image that works is bootdisk.img, while if I want to use any of the other images (drvblock.img, drvnet.img, pcmciadd.img) they don't work at all. > What I mean is, after I use rawritewin.exe to create the disk, and it says it's created successfully, I can't access the floppy from windows. Also, I can't boot from any of these images. > I tried downloading the drvnet.img from the internet, but still it doesn't work. > Finally, the iso images I'm using are downloaded correctly (I checked the MD5SUM and it's correct. > > Any help would be greately appreciated. > > Regards, > Ossama Khayat > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.522 / Virus Database: 320 - Release Date: 9/29/2003 > > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From kevymac at yahoo.com Thu Oct 2 10:32:05 2003 From: kevymac at yahoo.com (Kevin McConnell) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 03:32:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: HDC errors In-Reply-To: <3F7B4C87.3060900@web.de> Message-ID: <20031002103205.60815.qmail@web40309.mail.yahoo.com> --- Christoph Wickert wrote: > Ok, here is the 4th: Depends on your Kernelconfig > > > > CONFIG_IDEDISK_MULTI_MODE: > > > If you get this error, try to say Y > > > here: Yep... even better. I used to have an old seagate HD that was succeptible to that and that patch was the only thing that saved it. > There ist also another thead about this called "Re: > Anyone seeing data > corruption like bz#91932" That's great.... I only hope that the original bug filer isn't filing this bug over an error that's occurring because of smartd running into a cdrom. That would be irony, wouldn't it? ===== Kevin C. McConnell --RHCE # 805299480800193 since July 2, 1999-- Freedom in software, now freedom in life. http://www.freestateproject.org/ __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From tmus at get2net.dk Thu Oct 2 10:37:31 2003 From: tmus at get2net.dk (Thomas Munck Steenholdt) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 12:37:31 +0200 (CEST) Subject: DVD installation media... Message-ID: <20311.80.163.254.90.1065091051.squirrel@www.tmus.dk> Is there a howto around somewhere descriping how to create a DVD media for RHL/Fedora Core??? Alternatively, was it an idea to produce a DVD image along with the CD images in the future? Thomas From seanc at tech-access.com Thu Oct 2 10:57:40 2003 From: seanc at tech-access.com (Sean Craig) Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2003 14:57:40 +0400 Subject: Boot images In-Reply-To: <002a01c388cf$d3dfc050$42c8a8c0@odysseyconsultants.com> References: <1F336C4559FF244A90D52EFEABE98AD607CC56@nimo.nhpro.kw> <002a01c388cf$d3dfc050$42c8a8c0@odysseyconsultants.com> Message-ID: <3F7C04A4.2030804@tech-access.com> Try here: http://www.linuxiso.org/distro.php?distro=7 Severn links are at the bottom of the page - click on the 'folder' icon to the left of each filename to get a list of possible mirrors. regards Sean Craig Andreas Constantinides (MegaHz) wrote: >can some one give me a working mirror to download severn ? > >Thank you. > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Ossama Khayaat" >To: >Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 10:29 AM >Subject: Boot images > > > > >>Hi, >>Trying to create boot disks, the only image that works is bootdisk.img, >> >> >while if I want to use any of the other images (drvblock.img, drvnet.img, >pcmciadd.img) they don't work at all. > > >>What I mean is, after I use rawritewin.exe to create the disk, and it says >> >> >it's created successfully, I can't access the floppy from windows. Also, I >can't boot from any of these images. > > >>I tried downloading the drvnet.img from the internet, but still it doesn't >> >> >work. > > >>Finally, the iso images I'm using are downloaded correctly (I checked the >> >> >MD5SUM and it's correct. > > >>Any help would be greately appreciated. >> >>Regards, >>Ossama Khayat >> >>--- >>Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >>Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >>Version: 6.0.522 / Virus Database: 320 - Release Date: 9/29/2003 >> >> >> >>-- >>fedora-test-list mailing list >>fedora-test-list at redhat.com >>http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list >> >> > > >-- >fedora-test-list mailing list >fedora-test-list at redhat.com >http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > From pavelr at coresma.com Thu Oct 2 10:52:51 2003 From: pavelr at coresma.com (Pavel Rosenboim) Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2003 13:52:51 +0300 Subject: RAM requirements for NFS installation Message-ID: <3F7C0383.3040709@coresma.com> Hi, I installed the FC test2 over NFS (and VNC) on a machine with 128 MB RAM. After partitioning stage I got a message saying that I don't have enough RAM and swap must be activated immediately. Previously, I installed taroon on the same machine and I didn't see such message. Is this a bug or NFS/VNC combination requires more RAM? Pavel. From traxtopel at fastmail.fm Thu Oct 2 11:23:45 2003 From: traxtopel at fastmail.fm (traxtopel) Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2003 13:23:45 +0200 Subject: DVD installation media... In-Reply-To: <20311.80.163.254.90.1065091051.squirrel@www.tmus.dk> References: <20311.80.163.254.90.1065091051.squirrel@www.tmus.dk> Message-ID: <1065093825.6073.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> Not my script, but this works .... #!/usr/bin/perl ############################################################################# $rhrelease = "severn"; #change this to the name of redhat release $outdir = "/tmp/"; #change this to output iso to (needs 3.5gb free) ############################################################################# use File::Path; # The file prefixes redhat x $rhname = $rhrelease . "-i386-disc"; $rhsname = $rhrelease . "-SRPMS-disc"; # Make the directories for the loop back mounts $mk_dir = "mkdir ./$rhname"."{1,2,3,4,5,6}"; $cmd_res = `$mk_dir`; # Mount the files RH9 uses has SRPMS and i386 discs, but to the RH system they are all i386 in the # .discinfo file numbered 1..6 so we will mount them all under the same naming convention for # convenience. $s = 1; for($x = 1 ; $x < 4 ; $x++) { $mnt_res = `mount -o ro,loop ./$rhname$x.iso ./$rhname$x`; $s = $x+3; $mnt_res = `mount -o ro,loop ./$rhsname$x.iso ./$rhname$s`; } # Copy out the isolinux and the .discinfo files from Disc1 and modify .discinfo $disc1 = "$rhname"."1"; `cp -r ./$disc1/.discinfo .`; `cp -r ./$disc1/isolinux .`; # This basically tells the RH installer that all the discs are together # on a single disc. vs the old entry which was just 1. `awk '{ nlines++ ; if(nlines == 4) { print \"1,2,3,4,5,6\" } else { print \$0 }}' ./.discinfo > .discinfo.tmp`; rename("./.discinfo.tmp","./.discinfo") or die "Couldn't rotate .discinfo file\n"; # Naming... $MKISO = "mkisofs -o " . $outdir . $rhrelease . "-i386-\*dvd\*.iso "; # Setup boot stuff using El Torito $MKISO .= "-b isolinux/isolinux.bin -c isolinux/boot.cat "; $MKISO .= "-no-emul-boot -boot-load-size 4 -boot-info-table "; # Rockridge extensions and trans $MKISO .= "-R -m TRANS.TBL "; # What to exclude from the primary disc $MKISO .= "-x $disc1/.discinfo -x $disc1/isolinux "; # What to replace it with. Use the .discinfo edited above and the isolinux directory $MKISO .= "-graft-points $disc1 .discinfo=.discinfo isolinux/=isolinux "; # Then append the directories needed from the other discs $MKISO .= "RedHat/=$rhname"."2/RedHat RedHat/=$rhname"."3/RedHat "; $MKISO .= "SRPMS/=$rhname"."4/SRPMS SRPMS/=$rhname"."5/SRPMS SRPMS/=$rhname"."6/SRPMS "; # Make the disc `$MKISO`; # Clean-up $s = 1; for($x = 1 ; $x < 7 ; $x++) { $mnt_res = `umount ./$rhrelease-i386-disc$x`; rmtree("./$rhrelease-i386-disc$x"); } rmtree("./isolinux"); unlink("./.discinfo"); # END On Thu, 2003-10-02 at 12:37, Thomas Munck Steenholdt wrote: > Is there a howto around somewhere descriping how to create a DVD media for > RHL/Fedora Core??? Alternatively, was it an idea to produce a DVD image > along with the CD images in the future? > > Thomas > > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list -- traxtopel From redhat-jc at insight.rr.com Thu Oct 2 11:29:05 2003 From: redhat-jc at insight.rr.com (Jim Cornette) Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2003 07:29:05 -0400 Subject: Fedora Test 2 will not log in to Gnome? In-Reply-To: <1064994547.8497.19.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <9059DDFC-F38D-11D7-941A-000393C34F68@mac.com> <3F7A28B4.1090504@insight.rr.com> <1064994547.8497.19.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <3F7C0C01.10607@insight.rr.com> The bug was with an: EtherLink XL PCI 3C900B-TPO 03-0147-000 REV-A bugs 104793 through 104795 contain information regarding the check cable and avalanche effects for the NIC card. Jim ----------------------- Alexander Larsson wrote: > On Wed, 2003-10-01 at 03:07, Jim Cornette wrote: > >>Sean Earp wrote: >> >>>Hello all- >>> >>>I have not been able to install Fedora Test 2 since it came out (RH 9 >>>and Severn Beta 1 worked just fine). Today I tried installation with >>>the updated Anaconda, and it works. (great!) >>> >>>However, on the first boot after installation, I can not log on to the >>>Gnome desktop. KDE works just fine. The interesting thing is that I >>>chose the customized install, and had Gnome checked, and KDE UNCHECKED. >>> Just in case I missed something, I have formatted the drive 3 times and >>>reinstalled, making SURE that gnome was selected, and KDE was not. When >>>I attempt to log in to gnome, the screen exhibits the same behavior as >>>if i choose the "restart X Server" option on the login screen. Is >>>anyone else experiencing this? Can someone give me the command line >>>option to verify that Gnome is even installed? (I'm a linux newbie, so >>>be gentle) Any assistance would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, >>> >>>-Sean >>> >>> >> >>When I installed Severn beta1, I could not get GNOME to get further than >>the splash screen startup. This problem was related to the interaction >>with my 3Com ethernet. After the card was replaced with a 2 yr newer >>3com NIC GNOME, Mozilla and a host of other problems went away. >> >>My guess is that GNOME is outputting to /dev/lockup (in my case it was >>my NIC). Basically, I assume that the program is outputting, but not >>even to a bit bucket (AKA - like windows blue screen.) > > > This is very interesting. Was this a 3c590 NIC? > > If so, i'm getting the same on my card. See > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=98832 > > It seems to be a kudzu bug, but bill couldn't reproduce it on his 3c590. > Getting more data might make this fixable. > > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > Alexander Larsson Red Hat, Inc > alexl at redhat.com alla at lysator.liu.se > He's a scarfaced Catholic sorceror from the Mississippi delta. She's a > tortured French-Canadian soap star with an evil twin sister. They fight crime! > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > -- We have lingered long enough on the shores of the Cosmic Ocean. -- Carl Sagan From akabi at speakeasy.net Thu Oct 2 11:44:27 2003 From: akabi at speakeasy.net (ne...) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 07:44:27 -0400 (EDT) Subject: compiling wine on fedora core 0.94 In-Reply-To: <1065029842.17657.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1065029260.17657.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1065029606.3927.19.camel@chip.ath.cx> <1065029842.17657.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On Oct 1, 2003 at 19:37, traxtopel in a maddening rage wrote: Please stop top posting and not trimming your posts. Not everyone is lucky to be on unmetered internet. >On Wed, 2003-10-01 at 19:33, Panu Matilainen wrote: >> On Wed, 2003-10-01 at 20:27, traxtopel wrote: >> > Problem compiling wine on fedora core 0.94 >> > >> > trying to compile last wine drop 20030911 on fedora, bails out with >> > Anyone have a solution. >> > >> > gcc -c -I. -I. -I../../include -I../../include -D_REENTRANT -fPIC >> > -D__WINESRC__ -D_WINX32_ -Wall -mpreferred-stack-boundary=2 >> > -fno-strict-aliasing -Wpointer-arith -O2 -g -pipe -march=i386 >> > -mcpu=i686 -o >> > cookie.o cookie.c >> > In file included from /usr/include/openssl/ssl.h:179, >> > from internet.h:36, >> > from cookie.c:39: >> > /usr/include/openssl/kssl.h:136: error: syntax error before '*' token [...] >> > /usr/include/openssl/kssl.h:167: error: syntax error before '*' token >> > In file included from internet.h:36, >> > from cookie.c:39: >> > /usr/include/openssl/ssl.h:909: error: syntax error before "KSSL_CTX" >> > /usr/include/openssl/ssl.h:931: error: syntax error before '}' token >> > make[2]: *** [cookie.o] Error 1 >> > >> > Problem seems to relate to an issue with krb5 >> > >> > i.e. cookie.o >> > >> > typedef struct kssl_ctx_st >> > { >> > char *service_name; >> > char *service_host; >> > char *client_princ; >> > char *keytab_file; >> > char *cred_cache; >> > krb5_enctype enctype; >> > int length; >> > krb5_octet do_not_use_this_in_wine *key; >> > } KSSL_CTX; >> > # 149 "/usr/include/openssl/kssl.h" 3 4 >> > krb5_error_code kssl_ctx_setstring(KSSL_CTX *kssl_ctx, int which, char >> > *text); >> > KSSL_CTX *kssl_ctx_new(void); >> > KSSL_CTX *kssl_ctx_free(KSSL_CTX *kssl_ctx); >> > void kssl_ctx_show(KSSL_CTX *kssl_ctx); >> > krb5_error_code kssl_ctx_setprinc(KSSL_CTX *kssl_ctx, int which, >> >> Haven't tried myself and don't have an FC0.94 box at hand to check but >> the location of kerberos libs + includes changed between Severn 9.0.93 >> -> FC0.94, kerbers includes are now in /usr/include/krb5 (or was it >> include/kerberos) which for example tripped compilation of RH9 pine on >> FC0.94. In short it's quite possibly looking for the kerberos includes >> (because openssl needs them) in a wrong place. > yep check that, wine finds krb5.h in /usr/include thats not the issue. That is the problem. Kerberos includes are in /usr/kerberos/include. -- Registered Linux User # 125653 (http://counter.li.org) Switch to: http://www.speakeasy.net/refer/190653 You will be advanced socially, without any special effort on your part. 07:41:12 up 38 days, 19:15, 4 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 From j.rink at freenet.de Thu Oct 2 12:20:48 2003 From: j.rink at freenet.de (=?UTF-8?B?SsO2cm4=?= Rink) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 14:20:48 +0200 Subject: where to put bugs? Message-ID: <20031002142048.0ea83762.j.rink@freenet.de> Hi, i have noticed a little bug when having a token-ring card installed. in the ifcfg-tr0 file under /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts is defined: TYPE=Token Ring with this, you get an error while starting /etc/init.d/network you have to put the token ring in "", like: TYPE="Token Ring" -- Nine (not 9) Never trust a hippie From davej at redhat.com Thu Oct 2 12:24:30 2003 From: davej at redhat.com (Dave Jones) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 13:24:30 +0100 Subject: Anyone working on a Feodore release for X86-64 ? In-Reply-To: References: <1065045154.13254.97.camel@camelot.gridcore.se> Message-ID: <20031002122430.GC19704@redhat.com> On Wed, Oct 01, 2003 at 05:02:37PM -0500, Justin M. Forbes wrote: > > I am currently working on ISOs for X86-64, at worst case right now, I > would say expect them somewhere by end of the weekend, hopefully sooner. > The ISOs I will have then will be based on current severn2/Fedora core > revisions and rawhide updates. By the next beta release (Oct) I will > build the x86_64 ISOs using the same package versions as the official beta > release. I take it you're using 2.6 ? The current Fedora test2 kernel needs quite a bit of work to work on AMD64. Dave -- Dave Jones http://www.codemonkey.org.uk From davej at redhat.com Thu Oct 2 12:26:33 2003 From: davej at redhat.com (Dave Jones) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 13:26:33 +0100 Subject: Laptop Sony Vaio R505TS - test2 - ACPI In-Reply-To: <32838.216.254.115.235.1065060869.squirrel@www.insue.com> References: <20031002003806.15382.24317.Mailman@listman.back-rdu.redhat.com> <32838.216.254.115.235.1065060869.squirrel@www.insue.com> Message-ID: <20031002122633.GD19704@redhat.com> On Wed, Oct 01, 2003 at 10:14:29PM -0400, Fedora-Test-List wrote: > All: > > I've done a fresh install of Fedora test2 on my Sony Vaio R505TS (ACPI > based). > > ACPI doesn't seem to work, the Gnome battery applet gives me no love, and > there aren't the directories in /proc/acpi that there are when I run a > ACPI custom patched kernel. The ACPI modules are not loaded. The init scripts should be pulling these in as needed. Bill? Dave -- Dave Jones http://www.codemonkey.org.uk From davej at redhat.com Thu Oct 2 12:28:07 2003 From: davej at redhat.com (Dave Jones) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 13:28:07 +0100 Subject: INTEL SE 7505 VB2 won't boot In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20031002122807.GE19704@redhat.com> On Thu, Oct 02, 2003 at 03:02:52PM +1000, Stephen Moore wrote: > I have a dual xeon computer with a intel 7505 motherboard that wont boot > with fedora test 2. I was running RH9 with a custom kernel (to speed up > sata) and am still running on this kernel 2.4.22 + fedora test 2. > > I boot from a pata drive > /home is a raid 5 array > > Test 2 fails after the start of the md startup ( 4 X SATA disks) and by > itself gives a kernel opps in raid5sync SMP ? If so try the UP kernel, then grab the update from rawhide. Otherwise, the oops output will be useful. > Where do I go to from here? http://bugzilla.redhat.com Dave -- Dave Jones http://www.codemonkey.org.uk From laroche at redhat.com Thu Oct 2 12:28:34 2003 From: laroche at redhat.com (Florian La Roche) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 14:28:34 +0200 Subject: Laptop Sony Vaio R505TS - test2 - ACPI In-Reply-To: <20031002122633.GD19704@redhat.com> References: <20031002003806.15382.24317.Mailman@listman.back-rdu.redhat.com> <32838.216.254.115.235.1065060869.squirrel@www.insue.com> <20031002122633.GD19704@redhat.com> Message-ID: <20031002122834.GA3130@dudweiler.stuttgart.redhat.com> On Thu, Oct 02, 2003 at 01:26:33PM +0100, Dave Jones wrote: > On Wed, Oct 01, 2003 at 10:14:29PM -0400, Fedora-Test-List wrote: > > All: > > > > I've done a fresh install of Fedora test2 on my Sony Vaio R505TS (ACPI > > based). > > > > ACPI doesn't seem to work, the Gnome battery applet gives me no love, and > > there aren't the directories in /proc/acpi that there are when I run a > > ACPI custom patched kernel. > > The ACPI modules are not loaded. > The init scripts should be pulling these in as needed. Bill? 7.35-1 or newer should have this: * Thu Oct 02 2003 Bill Nottingham 7.35-1 - load acpi modules on startup if necessary - fix typo in ipsec comments & sysconfig.txt greetings, Florian La Roche From joden at malachi.lee.k12.nc.us Thu Oct 2 13:12:50 2003 From: joden at malachi.lee.k12.nc.us (James Olin Oden) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 09:12:50 -0400 (EDT) Subject: anaconda performance thoughts [Re: ANNOUNCE: Severn Test 2 Anaconda Updates Image Available] In-Reply-To: <1064969129.32323.7.camel@binkley> Message-ID: On Tue, 30 Sep 2003, seth vidal wrote: > On Tue, 2003-09-30 at 19:18, Matt Bernstein wrote: > > On Sep 29 Michael Fulbright wrote: > > > > >The amount of feedback we've received for the Fedora Core Severn Test 2 > > >has been impressive. The anaconda team appreciates the time everyone > > >has taken to test anaconda. > > > > Not strictly related, but I've been thinking for a while now that most > > people do CD installs and watch the CD LED flash, then the HDD LED. > > This alternating is a bottleneck which I guess can be reduced by either > > or both of: > > > > do most people install off of cd? > > I wish there was a way to measure that. > > I might be spoiled but I've gotten used to network installs. > I don't think my company counts (seems like we are always going against the grain), but we do install off CDROM. Course it is the RH 9 set pared down to 1 CDROM with some custom rpms. The reason we do this over network installs is that our customized distro is for servers that we manufacture, and so making the manufacturing environment as simple as possible is very desirable. Also, we use the CDROM in a disastor recovery scenario, in that our kickstart will only blow away "core platform" partitions, and leaves application partitions intact. This allows us to re-install from the CDROM in the field without impacting application data...hopefully it would not come to that, but its a safe gaurd we put in place. The main reason I mention that is having everything contained to one or two CDROM's is quite handy for simplifying manufacturing and disaster recovery scenarios. Cheers...james > -sv > > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > From davej at redhat.com Thu Oct 2 12:32:35 2003 From: davej at redhat.com (Dave Jones) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 13:32:35 +0100 Subject: where to put bugs? In-Reply-To: <20031002142048.0ea83762.j.rink@freenet.de> References: <20031002142048.0ea83762.j.rink@freenet.de> Message-ID: <20031002123235.GF19704@redhat.com> On Thu, Oct 02, 2003 at 02:20:48PM +0200, J??rn Rink wrote: > Hi, > i have noticed a little bug when having a token-ring card installed. > in the ifcfg-tr0 file under /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts > > is defined: > > TYPE=Token Ring > > with this, you get an error while starting /etc/init.d/network > > you have to put the token ring in "", like: > > TYPE="Token Ring" File a bug in http://bugzilla.redhat.com Dave -- Dave Jones http://www.codemonkey.org.uk From whooperhsd3 at earthlink.net Thu Oct 2 12:33:34 2003 From: whooperhsd3 at earthlink.net (William Hooper) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 08:33:34 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Boot images In-Reply-To: <1F336C4559FF244A90D52EFEABE98AD607CC56@nimo.nhpro.kw> References: <1F336C4559FF244A90D52EFEABE98AD607CC56@nimo.nhpro.kw> Message-ID: <1776.12.29.16.103.1065098014.squirrel@whooper.org> Ossama Khayaat said: > Hi, > Trying to create boot disks, the only image that works is bootdisk.img, > while if I want to use any of the other images (drvblock.img, drvnet.img, > pcmciadd.img) they don't work at all. > What I mean is, after I use rawritewin.exe to create the disk, and it says > it's created successfully, I can't access the floppy from windows. This only proves they are in a format the Windows doesn't recognize. > Also, I > can't boot from any of these images. There were never meant to boot. Please read the documentation. http://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/linux/RHL-9-Manual/install-guide/ch-driverdisk.html -- William Hooper From joden at malachi.lee.k12.nc.us Thu Oct 2 13:31:42 2003 From: joden at malachi.lee.k12.nc.us (James Olin Oden) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 09:31:42 -0400 (EDT) Subject: anaconda performance thoughts [Re: ANNOUNCE: Severn Test 2 Anaconda Updates Image Available] In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 1 Oct 2003, Ingo Molnar wrote: > it's not the HD that is keeping up things - it's the non-overlap of CDROM > and HD IO that hurts. We use the CDROM, then we use the HD to install the > rpm, then we use the CDROM again, etc. - instead of using them in parallel > and cutting latencies into half. > Not that it would be impossible to do, but any sort of approach that interleaves cdrom and hd i/o is going to have to take into account switchinig of cdroms. Also, and correct me if a I am wrong but all the rpm's are installed as one transaction using librpm. Basically, a transaction of all the rpms that you need is built, and then ran. Anaconda passes to librpm a callback such that anaconda can report status, and switch cdroms for RPM (sick but its true (-;). In order to interleave the cdrom access (which is mainly for reading rpms) I think you would somehow have to drill something into rpm to allow for this, as its ultimately the one reading from the cdrom, and then installing to the system. If you followed the pattern of what is done for the cdrom change, you would have to add another callentry point that would get called before the rpm is opened for reading, that would pass pass filehandle back to rpm (this is what is done to allow for cdrom changing). This is of course convoluted and unless it was somehow made optional such that it only occured in the anaconda environment (i.e. anaconda turned this "feature" on) then it would break everything using librpm to install packages. The other approach would be to add threading to rpm. Now I know Jeff Johnson has been looking into doing that in order to do parallel installs of packages, but I don't think he was thinking of having a seperate thread to read an rpm, and another to output it to the disk (simplified I know). Anyway, all I am really trying to express that the road to what you are wanting to do would ultimately produce convolutions that will either make rpm or anaconda or both harder to support for very limited gains. Probably, Jeff's work toward's parallel installs will actually give you some of what you want as the psm threads (package state machine) would likely most of the time be interleaving (though not on purpose) cdrom and disk i/o. This path that Jeff is taking has its own set of gotchas mainly centered around the fact that it means that scriplets that modify things on the system need to employ some sort of locking mechansim to make sure no two scriptlets touch the same file at the same time. This though is not a problem for rpm to solve as scriptlets are opaque (as they should be) but for designers of rpms to solve. Well I have probably said to much and not enouugh, but I hope this sheds at least some light. Cheers...james > ext2/ext3 only speeds up the HD access (by a very small amount). Also, > ext2/ext3 mostly differs in CPU overhead not IO overhead - and the > install-to-hd process is mostly limited by IO latencies (disk seeks). > > Ingo > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > From 64bit_fedora at comcast.net Thu Oct 2 12:53:20 2003 From: 64bit_fedora at comcast.net (Justin M. Forbes) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 07:53:20 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Anyone working on a Feodore release for X86-64 ? In-Reply-To: <20031002122430.GC19704@redhat.com> Message-ID: Actually, I started working with the currend Fedora test2 kernel last night to see what it needed, as everything else is ready. It will be alot of work with the Fedora kernel, but perhaps not impossible. I guess the question to the group is, should the AMD64 Fedora Core use 2.6test, or should we keep it current with i386 Fedora Core? If we want to keep it current, it might be a bit longer than planned. The last option would be to use a vanilla 2.4.21 kernel and add what patches we can to be as close to RH Fedora 2.4.21 as possible. This might be required over keeping current with i386 Fedora Core if some patches cannot be fixed in any amount of time. Honestly, I think 2.6test is generally fine for this, but what do others think? I will be glad to work towards what people suggest. Justin M. Forbes On Thu, 2 Oct 2003, Dave Jones wrote: > On Wed, Oct 01, 2003 at 05:02:37PM -0500, Justin M. Forbes wrote: > > > > I am currently working on ISOs for X86-64, at worst case right now, I > > would say expect them somewhere by end of the weekend, hopefully sooner. > > The ISOs I will have then will be based on current severn2/Fedora core > > revisions and rawhide updates. By the next beta release (Oct) I will > > build the x86_64 ISOs using the same package versions as the official beta > > release. > > I take it you're using 2.6 ? The current Fedora test2 kernel needs > quite a bit of work to work on AMD64. > > Dave > > From gmaeding at kidspeace.org Thu Oct 2 13:15:52 2003 From: gmaeding at kidspeace.org (Glen Maeding) Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2003 09:15:52 -0400 Subject: Iwconfig versions? In-Reply-To: <1065032975.2847.12.camel@mentor.gurulabs.com> References: <20031001165733.GA13124@ee.oulu.fi> <20031001140148.A3836@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1065032975.2847.12.camel@mentor.gurulabs.com> Message-ID: <1065100551.2742.29.camel@(null)> Is there a on-going development for iwconfig which might concide with pcmcia-cs development for this beta testing? Anyone having any problem with the wireless part of this Severn? I mean is there a reason why RH hadnt updated their pcmcia-cs to 3.2.4 version? -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- * -- Glen Maeding * -- MIS Tech @ Kidspeace Inc. * -- Webmaster of MIS-comm, Pdangel.org, and others... * -- E-mail: gmaeding at kidspeace.org * -- Pager e-mail: goik at tmail.com **Note: There's a Critical Security Upgrade available for Microsoft Windows; It's called "Linux" -------------------------------------------------------------------- From davej at redhat.com Thu Oct 2 13:27:21 2003 From: davej at redhat.com (Dave Jones) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 14:27:21 +0100 Subject: Anyone working on a Feodore release for X86-64 ? In-Reply-To: References: <20031002122430.GC19704@redhat.com> Message-ID: <20031002132721.GG19704@redhat.com> On Thu, Oct 02, 2003 at 07:53:20AM -0500, Justin M. Forbes wrote: > Actually, I started working with the currend Fedora test2 kernel last > night to see what it needed, as everything else is ready. It will be alot > of work with the Fedora kernel, but perhaps not impossible. Sure. I took a quick look-see a few days ago, and it fell over in a few places.. - nptl - O(1) scheduler - exec-shield. It'd likely take Ingo a day or so to get these fixed up, everything else is likely 5 minute fixes. Ingotime is a precious resource however, so unless he got bored some time, someone else would likely have to fill in. > I guess the > question to the group is, should the AMD64 Fedora Core use 2.6test, > or should we keep it current with i386 Fedora Core? My personal feeling is for AMD64, go straight to 2.6 By the time AMD64 is common-place, I'd expect 2.6.0 to be final. And in the meantime, Fedora runs just fine in 32bit mode (I test it daily) on AMD64 hardware. > The last option would be > to use a vanilla 2.4.21 kernel and add what patches we can to be as close > to RH Fedora 2.4.21 as possible. I had toyed with the idea of making the offending patches dependant upon arch in the specfile, but sanity got the better of me. I think it's better to just focus on 2.6. Forking another 2.4 branch seems like a lot of wasted effort which would be better spent trying to get 2.6 stable. Dave -- Dave Jones http://www.codemonkey.org.uk From b.j.smith at ieee.org Thu Oct 2 14:20:50 2003 From: b.j.smith at ieee.org (Bryan J. Smith) Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2003 10:20:50 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Anyone working on a Feodore release for X86-64? -- personal viewpoint ... In-Reply-To: <20031002122430.GC19704@redhat.com> References: <1065045154.13254.97.camel@camelot.gridcore.se> <20031002122430.GC19704@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1065104450.3f7c34424d7fc@webmail.smithconcepts.com> Quoting Dave Jones : > I take it you're using 2.6 ? The current Fedora test2 kernel needs > quite a bit of work to work on AMD64. First off, I'm sure the 2.6 kernel is something that is going to be a major work-in-progress for some time to come. So I don't expect AMD64 support off- the-bat in a major distro at 2.6's release. There are a lot of unforseen issues and considerations. With that said, I want to give my "personal viewpoint" on support for AMD x86- 64 and what I'd like to see within the 6 months. This is just my "viewpoint," and _not_ an "expectation" (because if I "expect" something, I should get off my duff and help out ;-). Ideally ... 1) A Red Hat(R) Fedora(TM) Linux(R) Core release for AMD x86-64, at least with the 2.4 kernel If this isn't available, then I would at least hope for ... 2) Fedora(TM) SRPMS that [possibly unofficially] at least build on Red Hat(R) Enterprise Linux (R) WS for AMD x86-64 While I'm sure the community will work hard, along with Red Hat's continued management and release assistance, to produce an AMD x86-64 Fedora(TM) "Core" release (as well as an eventually PPC64 release as well -- or maybe that's left to future collaboration with "Yellow Dog"???), I don't "expect" it in the first 6 months. As such, I _do_ recommend that Red Hat(R), for its _own_ "market consideration," see that #2 is an option ASAP (e.g., within 6 months). Again, from my perspective, I'm more than willing to pay $179/year for Red Hat Enterprise Linux WS for AMD x86-64, but _only_ if Fedora SRPMS built on it. This isn't so I don't have to pay for AS (as various servers aren't included with WS, and ES isn't available for x86-64) -- I _would_ buy AS for x86-64 servers!!! -- _but_ just so I can enjoy all the other desktop stuff from Fedora (TM) on my AMD x86-64 desktop. That's all. Otherwise, I could see other consumers begin to entertain ... 3) SuSE(R) Linux(R) 9.0 Professional for AMD64 God knows I like to stick with a 100% GPL-anal distro -- I have with Red Hat Linux (and, subsequently, Enterprise Linux) for almost 8 years on corporate networks. But if its difficult to get Fedora SRPMS to build on RHEL WS for x86- 64, I might have to look at it from a pratical/deployment standpoint. Again, this is just some "viewpoint" and "perspective." One way or another, Fedora packages _should_ come in AMD x86-64 flavors within the next 6 months -- even if this means you purchase RHEL WS for x86-64 and build Fedora packages from SRPMS. And it's in Red Hat's own interest to guarantee it. -- Bryan J. Smith, E.I. mailto:b.j.smith at ieee.org http://thebs.org ------------------------------------------------------------------ There is no greater ignorance than the popular American environ- mental movement, which focuses on the most useless details. Be it recycling the world's most renewable resource or refusal to use proven CFC insulation on launch vehicles, no lives will be spared in the further pursuit of, ironically, harming the environment. From ted at cypress.com Thu Oct 2 14:34:25 2003 From: ted at cypress.com (Thomas Dodd) Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2003 09:34:25 -0500 Subject: Anyone working on a Feodore release for X86-64 ? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3F7C3771.6050307@cypress.com> Justin M. Forbes wrote: > Actually, I started working with the currend Fedora test2 kernel last > night to see what it needed, as everything else is ready. It will be alot > of work with the Fedora kernel, but perhaps not impossible. I guess the > question to the group is, should the AMD64 Fedora Core use 2.6test, The 2.6b kernels are too unstable right now. > or should we keep it current with i386 Fedora Core? If we want to keep it > current, it might be a bit longer than planned. The last option would be > to use a vanilla 2.4.21 kernel and add what patches we can to be as close > to RH Fedora 2.4.21 as possible. This might be required over How about the current kernel for RHEL3 / taroon? Removing a few features we dion't want or need? It was 2.4.21 and should work well by now. I cannot get to ftp.redhat.com right now to see the latest though. -Thomas From johnsonm at redhat.com Thu Oct 2 15:24:24 2003 From: johnsonm at redhat.com (Michael K. Johnson) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 11:24:24 -0400 Subject: text vs. graphical boot In-Reply-To: <3F7BA47F.9010907@farorbit.com>; from rhl@farorbit.com on Wed, Oct 01, 2003 at 11:07:27PM -0500 References: <200309292327.h8TNRNU16787@garfield.bwh.harvard.edu> <1064878613.16345.88.camel@mirkwood.devel.redhat.com> <3F7BA47F.9010907@farorbit.com> Message-ID: <20031002112424.A20198@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Wed, Oct 01, 2003 at 11:07:27PM -0500, stephan schutter wrote: > Are you planning to cover the ugly/scary/intimidating/non-desktopish > kernel boot with a splash screen ala Mandrake, SuSE, Lindows, Lycoris, > Xandros, et. al? I'd rather work on cleaning up the boot messages so they aren't so scary -- there's a lot of noise there IMHO. But that part really only takes a couple of seconds... If we do a graphical kernel splash, it's got to be as decent code that stands a good chance of acceptance upstream. As I mentioned before, that doesn't include grovelling through memory looking for something that resembles a JPEG file. michaelkjohnson "He that composes himself is wiser than he that composes a book." Linux Application Development -- Ben Franklin http://people.redhat.com/johnsonm/lad/ From christoph.wickert at web.de Thu Oct 2 15:35:44 2003 From: christoph.wickert at web.de (Christoph Wickert) Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2003 17:35:44 +0200 Subject: notification area in gnome & kde Message-ID: <1065108944.3612.26.camel@hal9000.lokales.netz> Hi there! Some problems with the notification areas in kde and gnome panel: 1. The "famous" 1px wide RHN icon :-) Good: On my box it works fine in both gnome & kde, since I 've chosen kdm for login. Bad: When I chose "Hide from Panel" in the configuration dialog the icon is back after a login. 2. Space wasted by eggcups & pam-panel-icon Although there's only one visible icon (RHN), there's space for 4. pam-panel-icon and eggcups are no visible, but space is wasted. Choosing Quit on eggcups results in an empty notification area: RHN icon is gone, in gnome I get the message, that notification area has chrashed. pam-panel-icon still wasting space. I think, pam-panel-icon should be 0px, if not needed. Any ideas? How can I at least disable it? IMHO at least one is a bug, but I found none on bugzilla (RHN icon of course). I'm not sure, where to look: kdebase and gnome-desktop? Thx Christoph -- Christoph Wickert From katzj at redhat.com Thu Oct 2 15:38:15 2003 From: katzj at redhat.com (Jeremy Katz) Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2003 11:38:15 -0400 Subject: Anyone working on a Feodore release for X86-64 ? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1065109095.3670.16.camel@edoras.local.net> On Thu, 2003-10-02 at 08:53, Justin M. Forbes wrote: > Actually, I started working with the currend Fedora test2 kernel last > night to see what it needed, as everything else is ready. It will be alot > of work with the Fedora kernel, but perhaps not impossible. I guess the > question to the group is, should the AMD64 Fedora Core use 2.6test, > or should we keep it current with i386 Fedora Core? The installer is not at all ready for 2.6 right now Jeremy From 64bit_fedora at comcast.net Thu Oct 2 15:38:25 2003 From: 64bit_fedora at comcast.net (Justin M. Forbes) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 10:38:25 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Anyone working on a Feodore release for X86-64 ? In-Reply-To: <20031002132721.GG19704@redhat.com> Message-ID: My only real concern here is that with the release of Athlon64 now, AMD64 hardware will be moving out there at a faster rate. The only other linux option for this class of user is Suse 9.0 next month, and Mandrake 9.2 when it is released. Even Suse is priced at $119 for AMD64. I would like to see a Fedora 64bit alternative available. If that is based on 2.6test, I am not too concerned about stability, and certainly have no problems with maintaining errata for it as I know you are keeping more current than just errata. Stability is pretty good in most cases with 2.6test as it is. This however leaves AMD64 without a 64bit real Fedora Core release until Fedora Core 2, even if it would not be Red Hat Official. What I would propose is doing Fedora Core release and Beta with 2.6test, and as I get time look at fixing the Fedora kernel with AMD64 and making it available as an option. I still have to work out distribution and errata/extras support for AMD64 anyway. One last question as I am packaging all of this, I have seen postings about moving arch from x86_64 to AMD64. Will Red Hat be making this move, and should I start to work on that as well for release? Justin M. Forbes On Thu, 2 Oct 2003, Dave Jones wrote: > On Thu, Oct 02, 2003 at 07:53:20AM -0500, Justin M. Forbes wrote: > > Actually, I started working with the currend Fedora test2 kernel last > > night to see what it needed, as everything else is ready. It will be alot > > of work with the Fedora kernel, but perhaps not impossible. > > Sure. I took a quick look-see a few days ago, and it fell over in a few > places.. > - nptl > - O(1) scheduler > - exec-shield. > > It'd likely take Ingo a day or so to get these fixed up, everything else > is likely 5 minute fixes. Ingotime is a precious resource however, so > unless he got bored some time, someone else would likely have to fill in. > > > I guess the > > question to the group is, should the AMD64 Fedora Core use 2.6test, > > or should we keep it current with i386 Fedora Core? > > My personal feeling is for AMD64, go straight to 2.6 > By the time AMD64 is common-place, I'd expect 2.6.0 to be final. > And in the meantime, Fedora runs just fine in 32bit mode (I test it > daily) on AMD64 hardware. > > > The last option would be > > to use a vanilla 2.4.21 kernel and add what patches we can to be as close > > to RH Fedora 2.4.21 as possible. > > I had toyed with the idea of making the offending patches dependant upon > arch in the specfile, but sanity got the better of me. I think it's > better to just focus on 2.6. Forking another 2.4 branch seems like a lot > of wasted effort which would be better spent trying to get 2.6 stable. > > > Dave > > From katzj at redhat.com Thu Oct 2 15:39:56 2003 From: katzj at redhat.com (Jeremy Katz) Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2003 11:39:56 -0400 Subject: Boot images In-Reply-To: <1F336C4559FF244A90D52EFEABE98AD607CC56@nimo.nhpro.kw> References: <1F336C4559FF244A90D52EFEABE98AD607CC56@nimo.nhpro.kw> Message-ID: <1065109196.3670.18.camel@edoras.local.net> On Thu, 2003-10-02 at 03:29, Ossama Khayaat wrote: > Trying to create boot disks, the only image that works is bootdisk.img, while if I want to use any of the other images (drvblock.img, drvnet.img, pcmciadd.img) they don't work at all. > What I mean is, after I use rawritewin.exe to create the disk, and it says it's created successfully, I can't access the floppy from windows. Also, I can't boot from any of these images. > I tried downloading the drvnet.img from the internet, but still it doesn't work. Only bootdisk.img is meant to be bootable. And all of the driver disks are ext2 formatted, and so won't be able to be accessed from Windows. Cheers, Jeremy From christoph.wickert at web.de Thu Oct 2 15:48:04 2003 From: christoph.wickert at web.de (Christoph Wickert) Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2003 17:48:04 +0200 Subject: "Homeless" KDE desktop Message-ID: <1065109683.3612.36.camel@hal9000.lokales.netz> Hi! When doing a german KDE install, I only get 2 icons on my desktop: Start-here (as known not working) and Trash. I feel homeless :( Is this a problem with translations? Did not happen to me with a german-only install, just like the problems with firstboot: Installing english & german results in a mixture of both. Raoul From 64bit_fedora at comcast.net Thu Oct 2 15:52:11 2003 From: 64bit_fedora at comcast.net (Justin M. Forbes) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 10:52:11 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Anyone working on a Feodore release for X86-64 ? In-Reply-To: <1065109095.3670.16.camel@edoras.local.net> Message-ID: That can be worked with. Would the installer be easier to fix, or would the kernel be easier? Red Hat is not officially making an AMD64 release of Fedora available at least around Core 1. I am stepping up to make a release available that will work, and provide errata, etc until Red Hat decides to make an official release. I hope to continue working with the release at that time. That said, I do not expect it to be a simple buildinstall, and know there is work to be done. I do not mind working on anaconda and providing patches back, or any other component for that matter. I will certainly work on getting the current 2.4.21 kernel working, but to get a platform that is easy for people to install and test with, perhaps 2.6test will be easier for an initial release, then add the 2.4.21 as an option, when I get it working. I am certainly more familiar with kernel code than anaconda code, but not with the specifics of NPTL and the 0(1) scheduler. Justin M. Forbes On Thu, 2 Oct 2003, Jeremy Katz wrote: > On Thu, 2003-10-02 at 08:53, Justin M. Forbes wrote: > > Actually, I started working with the currend Fedora test2 kernel last > > night to see what it needed, as everything else is ready. It will be alot > > of work with the Fedora kernel, but perhaps not impossible. I guess the > > question to the group is, should the AMD64 Fedora Core use 2.6test, > > or should we keep it current with i386 Fedora Core? > > The installer is not at all ready for 2.6 right now > > Jeremy > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > From ms-nospam-0306 at arcor.de Thu Oct 2 16:34:30 2003 From: ms-nospam-0306 at arcor.de (Michael Schwendt) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 18:34:30 +0200 Subject: notification area in gnome & kde In-Reply-To: <1065108944.3612.26.camel@hal9000.lokales.netz> References: <1065108944.3612.26.camel@hal9000.lokales.netz> Message-ID: <20031002183430.4d227055.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, 02 Oct 2003 17:35:44 +0200, Christoph Wickert wrote: > Some problems with the notification areas in kde and gnome panel: > > 1. The "famous" 1px wide RHN icon :-) > Good: On my box it works fine in both gnome & kde, since I 've chosen > kdm for login. > Bad: When I chose "Hide from Panel" in the configuration dialog the icon > is back after a login. From: Daniel Veillard To: fedora-devel-list at redhat.com Subject: For those with RHN applet rendering problems Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 10:20:29 -0400 Those who got hit by the "1 pixel wide" applet problem can test the 1.0.12 release which should incorporate a fix, if you still see the problem after upgrading and restarting the applet, please state so in bug #75225 : updated packages: http://people.redhat.com/~veillard/rhn-applet/ related bug: http://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=75225 TIA, Daniel - -- Daniel Veillard | Red Hat Network https://rhn.redhat.com/ veillard at redhat.com | libxml GNOME XML XSLT toolkit http://xmlsoft.org/ http://veillard.com/ | Rpmfind RPM search engine http://rpmfind.net/ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/fFOW0iMVcrivHFQRAjXKAJ4pkjPx38UTKcyA4PUhq8C1iFVGEgCfVw0m cXBxPLiIUxMlhFoyVfN7Psk= =HMBB -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From traxtopel at fastmail.fm Thu Oct 2 16:44:01 2003 From: traxtopel at fastmail.fm (traxtopel) Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2003 18:44:01 +0200 Subject: compiling wine on fedora core 0.94 In-Reply-To: References: <1065029260.17657.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1065029606.3927.19.camel@chip.ath.cx> <1065029842.17657.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1065113041.7781.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> How can u say that is the problem, wine detects and uses it. On Thu, 2003-10-02 at 13:44, ne... wrote: > . > That is the problem. Kerberos includes are in /usr/kerberos/include. -- traxtopel From rjohnson at medata.com Thu Oct 2 17:13:20 2003 From: rjohnson at medata.com (Rick Johnson) Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2003 10:13:20 -0700 Subject: beta 1 laptop install and fix In-Reply-To: <1064549726.3040.2.camel@ByteEnable> References: <20030926003622.92637.qmail@web13808.mail.yahoo.com> <1064549726.3040.2.camel@ByteEnable> Message-ID: <3F7C5CB0.50400@medata.com> ByteEnable wrote: > I just installed Beta2 on my Dell Latitude CPx750 without any problems. > Whats so cool about laptop installs is that you can swap out hard drives > really easy. I have a hard drive just for this purpose. > > Is it me, or is this Beta2 snappier than RH9 ? I had the same impression on the same system. -Rick From andre at bwh.harvard.edu Thu Oct 2 17:23:19 2003 From: andre at bwh.harvard.edu (Andre Robatino) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 13:23:19 -0400 (EDT) Subject: today's beta2 updates Message-ID: <200310021723.h92HNJv14983@garfield.bwh.harvard.edu> The beta2 updates channel is available, and this morning the first batch of updates came out. Good news: with the new version metacity-2.6.2-1, the window sticking bug appears gone. Bad news: The new mozilla-1.4.1-0 hangs, Konqueror runs normally on the CNN Web site but hangs when I try to go to the bugzilla web site. I can see the redirected https:// URL in the window, but it never has a chance to load. The bug probably resides below both browsers. It happens when running either the original 2061 or today's 2082 kernel. Are other people experiencing this, and any ideas where it's coming from? From tvinhas at techbyte.com.br Thu Oct 2 17:30:09 2003 From: tvinhas at techbyte.com.br (Thiago Vinhas de Moraes) Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2003 14:30:09 -0300 Subject: today's beta2 updates In-Reply-To: <200310021723.h92HNJv14983@garfield.bwh.harvard.edu> References: <200310021723.h92HNJv14983@garfield.bwh.harvard.edu> Message-ID: <1065115807.7285.2.camel@techbyte.com.br> Thanks dude. I'm updating the system right now, and will see if these problems are fixed. Em Qui, 2003-10-02 ?s 14:23, Andre Robatino escreveu: > The beta2 updates channel is available, and this morning the first batch > of updates came out. Good news: with the new version metacity-2.6.2-1, the > window sticking bug appears gone. Bad news: The new mozilla-1.4.1-0 hangs, > Konqueror runs normally on the CNN Web site but hangs when I try to go to > the bugzilla web site. I can see the redirected https:// URL in the window, > but it never has a chance to load. The bug probably resides below both > browsers. It happens when running either the original 2061 or today's 2082 > kernel. Are other people experiencing this, and any ideas where it's > coming from? > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From balay at fastmail.fm Thu Oct 2 17:38:16 2003 From: balay at fastmail.fm (Satish Balay) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 12:38:16 -0500 (CDT) Subject: today's beta2 updates - YUM In-Reply-To: <200310021723.h92HNJv14983@garfield.bwh.harvard.edu> References: <200310021723.h92HNJv14983@garfield.bwh.harvard.edu> Message-ID: On Thu, 2 Oct 2003, Andre Robatino wrote: > The beta2 updates channel is available, and this morning the first batch > of updates came out. Any idea if these updates will be available via yum? (and not rawhide) Thanks, Satish From dickson at permanentmail.com Thu Oct 2 17:41:31 2003 From: dickson at permanentmail.com (Paul Dickson) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 10:41:31 -0700 Subject: Unknown Excel functions in gnumeric-1.2.0-1.i386.rpm Message-ID: <20031002104131.46328290.dickson@permanentmail.com> I downloaded gnumeric from Rawhide (but cmp says severn has the same file) and tried it on my one of my files. Unfortunately, it tells me the function '=upper(concatenate(A1, " ", B1))' is invalid. It was previously valid in an earlier version of gnumeric (RH9) and the documentation on gnumeric's home page says upper and concatenate are Excel functions (so I doubt support was removed). Is there a missing dependancy in gnumeric's RPM causing me to not know what RPMs are missing or should I submit a bug report? On starting up gumeric, I get the following warnings: [dickson at violet 09:24:06 treasury]$ gnumeric sac-data-2003.gnumeric ** (gnumeric:19102): WARNING **: Configured default font '(null) 0.000000' not available, trying fallback... sac-data-2003.gnumeric ** (gnumeric:19102): WARNING **: Converted xml document with no encoding from pseudo-UTF-8 to UTF-8. ** (gnumeric:19102): WARNING **: Could not find child for option "PhysicalSize" with id "US-Legal" ** (gnumeric:19102): WARNING **: Could not set value of "PhysicalSize" to "US-Legal" ** (gnumeric:19102): WARNING **: Unknown function : concatenate ** (gnumeric:19102): WARNING **: Unknown function : upper ** (gnumeric:19102): WARNING **: Could not find child for option "PhysicalSize" with id "US-Legal" ** (gnumeric:19102): WARNING **: Could not set value of "PhysicalSize" to "US-Legal" ** (gnumeric:19102): WARNING **: Could not find child for option "PhysicalSize" with id "US-Legal" ** (gnumeric:19102): WARNING **: Could not set value of "PhysicalSize" to "US-Legal" ** (gnumeric:19102): WARNING **: GnomePrint: Requested Helvetica but using Bitstream Charter (Bitstream Charter Bold 12.000000) ** (gnumeric:19102): WARNING **: Trying to fallback to 'Sans' ** (gnumeric:19102): CRITICAL **: file gnumeric-gconf.c: line 298 (gnm_gconf_set_file_history_files): assertion `prefs.file_history_files != list' failed [dickson at violet 09:24:40 treasury]$ -Paul From mark at mark.mielke.cc Thu Oct 2 17:42:47 2003 From: mark at mark.mielke.cc (Mark Mielke) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 13:42:47 -0400 Subject: today's beta2 updates In-Reply-To: <200310021723.h92HNJv14983@garfield.bwh.harvard.edu> References: <200310021723.h92HNJv14983@garfield.bwh.harvard.edu> Message-ID: <20031002174247.GA13028@mark.mielke.cc> On Thu, Oct 02, 2003 at 01:23:19PM -0400, Andre Robatino wrote: > The beta2 updates channel is available, and this morning the first batch > of updates came out. Good news: with the new version metacity-2.6.2-1, the > window sticking bug appears gone. Bad news: The new mozilla-1.4.1-0 hangs, > Konqueror runs normally on the CNN Web site but hangs when I try to go to > the bugzilla web site. I can see the redirected https:// URL in the window, > but it never has a chance to load. The bug probably resides below both > browsers. It happens when running either the original 2061 or today's 2082 > kernel. Are other people experiencing this, and any ideas where it's > coming from? I grabbed the updates off rawhide before today, but I believe they are the same packages. My wife found out that Mozilla Mail freezes up. It grabs 100% of the CPU and goes away doing something. It is quite reproducable, so if the people responsible cannot reproduce it, just tell me what to do, and what to look for, and I'll make a stab at it. Mozilla itself seems ok, at least the sites I tried. I didn't try bugzilla yet. Cheers, mark -- mark at mielke.cc/markm at ncf.ca/markm at nortelnetworks.com __________________________ . . _ ._ . . .__ . . ._. .__ . . . .__ | Neighbourhood Coder |\/| |_| |_| |/ |_ |\/| | |_ | |/ |_ | | | | | | \ | \ |__ . | | .|. |__ |__ | \ |__ | Ottawa, Ontario, Canada One ring to rule them all, one ring to find them, one ring to bring them all and in the darkness bind them... http://mark.mielke.cc/ From elwoo at videotron.ca Thu Oct 2 17:28:21 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2003 13:28:21 -0400 Subject: "Homeless" KDE desktop In-Reply-To: <1065109683.3612.36.camel@hal9000.lokales.netz> References: <1065109683.3612.36.camel@hal9000.lokales.netz> Message-ID: <200310021328.21268.elwoo@videotron.ca> On October 2, 2003 11:48 am, Christoph Wickert > wrote: > Hi! > > When doing a german KDE install, I only get 2 icons on my desktop: > Start-here (as known not working) and Trash. I feel homeless :( > > Is this a problem with translations? Did not happen to me with a > german-only install, just like the problems with firstboot: Installing > english & german results in a mixture of both. > No I see the same thing here. I have Canadian English for the system language, but no Home folder on the KDE desktop. ... as a workaround, you can drag a copy of the home folder on to the desktop from the main KDE menu, but there OUGHT to be a home folder created by default. I recommend filing a bug report in bugzilla. Elton ;-) -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From rhl at farorbit.com Thu Oct 2 18:04:52 2003 From: rhl at farorbit.com (stephan schutter) Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2003 13:04:52 -0500 Subject: ok a silly question off topic.... Message-ID: <3F7C68C4.2000004@farorbit.com> I fidured I could... but why would this not work for me? ls -lh |grep drw | \ while read i; do \ (tar -zcvf $i.tgz $i) and zip all the folders in the given location to it's own file... I bow my head in shame.... Stephan From tvinhas at techbyte.com.br Thu Oct 2 18:07:58 2003 From: tvinhas at techbyte.com.br (Thiago Vinhas de Moraes) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 15:07:58 -0300 Subject: "Homeless" KDE desktop References: <1065109683.3612.36.camel@hal9000.lokales.netz> <200310021328.21268.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <000b01c38910$20feaff0$80ec10ac@Windows> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elton Woo" To: Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 2:28 PM Subject: Re: "Homeless" KDE desktop > > > > Is this a problem with translations? Did not happen to me with a > > german-only install, just like the problems with firstboot: Installing > > english & german results in a mixture of both. > > > No I see the same thing here. I have Canadian English for > the system language, but no Home folder on the KDE > desktop. I?ve installed Fedora beta2 with the brazilian portuguese language, and everything is on the right place. All the icons are shown on the desktop, and it runs exactly the same then when I use it with the american english language. But, I have problems with dead keys on KDE only. It's strange because the problem happens only on KDE apps. Evolution and OpenOffice handles fine the dead keys. Regards, Thiago From sopwith at redhat.com Thu Oct 2 18:25:06 2003 From: sopwith at redhat.com (Elliot Lee) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 14:25:06 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Severn test2 updates via RHN Message-ID: The 0.94 updates/rawhide channel should be populated and ready. You may have to subscribe your system to it via the RHN web interface at https://rhn.redhat.com/ As before, you'll need to have the rawhide key installed - to do this, do 'up2date -u fedora-release' after subscribing to the updates channel, and then 'rpm -Uvh /usr/share/doc/fedora-release-0.94/RPM-GPG-KEY-rawhide'. -- Elliot Individualists, unite! From czar at czarc.net Thu Oct 2 18:30:26 2003 From: czar at czarc.net (Gene C.) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 14:30:26 -0400 Subject: today's beta2 updates In-Reply-To: <200310021723.h92HNJv14983@garfield.bwh.harvard.edu> References: <200310021723.h92HNJv14983@garfield.bwh.harvard.edu> Message-ID: <200310021430.26957.czar@czarc.net> On Thursday 02 October 2003 13:23, Andre Robatino wrote: > The beta2 updates channel is available, and this morning the first batch > of updates came out. None of the packages I have processed so far are signed. This makes it a bit cumbersome to process. Any chance of getting them signed? -- Gene From matt-whiteley at comcast.net Thu Oct 2 18:37:47 2003 From: matt-whiteley at comcast.net (Matt Whiteley) Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2003 11:37:47 -0700 Subject: Severn test2 updates via RHN In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1065119866.16599.8.camel@galt.atlas.gotdns.org> On Thu, 2003-10-02 at 11:25, Elliot Lee wrote: > The 0.94 updates/rawhide channel should be populated and ready. You may > have to subscribe your system to it via the RHN web interface at > https://rhn.redhat.com/ > > As before, you'll need to have the rawhide key installed - to do this, do > 'up2date -u fedora-release' after subscribing to the updates channel, and > then 'rpm -Uvh /usr/share/doc/fedora-release-0.94/RPM-GPG-KEY-rawhide'. > > -- Elliot > Individualists, unite! I did have to subscribe via the website to the child channel for updates and then I had to use 'up2date -u --nosig fedora-release' and 'rpm --import /usr/share/doc/fedora-release-0.94/RPM-GPG-KEY-rawhide' I imported the beta key also, since I wasn't sure if I needed it or not. -- Matt Whiteley From dan at tucny.com Thu Oct 2 18:52:31 2003 From: dan at tucny.com (Dan Tucny) Date: 02 Oct 2003 19:52:31 +0100 Subject: Severn test2 updates via RHN In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1065120751.20138.7.camel@beech.tlns.net> On Thu, 2003-10-02 at 19:25, Elliot Lee wrote: > The 0.94 updates/rawhide channel should be populated and ready. You may > have to subscribe your system to it via the RHN web interface at > https://rhn.redhat.com/ > Very nice :) > As before, you'll need to have the rawhide key installed - to do this, do > 'up2date -u fedora-release' after subscribing to the updates channel, and > then 'rpm -Uvh /usr/share/doc/fedora-release-0.94/RPM-GPG-KEY-rawhide'. For me, I had to do the following... 'up2date --nosig -u fedora-release' to get around not having the key 'rpm --import /usr/share/doc/fedora-release-0.94/RPM-GPG-KEY-*' due to the rawhide key alone not seeming to be enough... Hope this helps... Dan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I want numlock on by default for that! > > How about: > > > > in /etc/sysconfig/keyboard: numlock=on|off|bios|last > > (on at boot, off at boot, per bios, or "the way it was when you > > shut down") > > As I said earlier, I'm not opposed to this ... I just don't think > it solves the problem for *most* users. They'll never find / bother > to find the setting. I'm a X/desktop guy, so I tend to concentrate > on solutions there; the console is a different world, and one > that is typically a lot harder to get right. > > If somebody wanted to implement an /etc/sysconfig, that sounds > like a reasonable contribution to me. I consider Paul Morgan's proposal as being The Right Way To Do It(TM). ;-))) This should be bugzilla'ed as RFE! And if you look in the file manager of your choice, you'll find a directory /etc/sysconfig with some really useful files in all more recent versions of Red Hat Linux. Best regards, Martin Stricker -- Homepage: http://www.martin-stricker.de/ Linux Migration Project: http://www.linux-migration.org/ Red Hat Linux 8.0 for low memory: http://www.rule-project.org/ Registered Linux user #210635: http://counter.li.org/ From notting at redhat.com Thu Oct 2 19:31:36 2003 From: notting at redhat.com (Bill Nottingham) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 15:31:36 -0400 Subject: Anyone working on a Feodore release for X86-64 ? In-Reply-To: ; from 64bit_fedora@comcast.net on Thu, Oct 02, 2003 at 10:52:11AM -0500 References: <1065109095.3670.16.camel@edoras.local.net> Message-ID: <20031002153136.A21802@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Justin M. Forbes (64bit_fedora at comcast.net) said: > That can be worked with. Would the installer be easier to fix, or would > the kernel be easier? If you can fix a 2.4 kernel, the installer and the tree should more-or-less Just Work. Bill From warren at togami.com Thu Oct 2 19:34:22 2003 From: warren at togami.com (Warren Togami) Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2003 09:34:22 -1000 Subject: today's beta2 updates In-Reply-To: <20031002174247.GA13028@mark.mielke.cc> References: <200310021723.h92HNJv14983@garfield.bwh.harvard.edu> <20031002174247.GA13028@mark.mielke.cc> Message-ID: <1065123262.1964.102.camel@laptop> On Thu, 2003-10-02 at 07:42, Mark Mielke wrote: > On Thu, Oct 02, 2003 at 01:23:19PM -0400, Andre Robatino wrote: > > The beta2 updates channel is available, and this morning the first batch > > of updates came out. Good news: with the new version metacity-2.6.2-1, the > > window sticking bug appears gone. Bad news: The new mozilla-1.4.1-0 hangs, > > Konqueror runs normally on the CNN Web site but hangs when I try to go to > > the bugzilla web site. I can see the redirected https:// URL in the window, > > but it never has a chance to load. The bug probably resides below both > > browsers. It happens when running either the original 2061 or today's 2082 > > kernel. Are other people experiencing this, and any ideas where it's > > coming from? > > I grabbed the updates off rawhide before today, but I believe they are the > same packages. > > My wife found out that Mozilla Mail freezes up. It grabs 100% of the CPU > and goes away doing something. It is quite reproducable, so if the people > responsible cannot reproduce it, just tell me what to do, and what to look > for, and I'll make a stab at it. Mozilla itself seems ok, at least the sites > I tried. I didn't try bugzilla yet. > > Cheers, > mark I have seen mozilla-1.4.1 freezing problems mentioned by the original posters and also mozilla mail. If you file bugzilla reports please CC me. Warren From katzj at redhat.com Thu Oct 2 19:41:05 2003 From: katzj at redhat.com (Jeremy Katz) Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2003 15:41:05 -0400 Subject: Anyone working on a Feodore release for X86-64 ? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1065123665.9194.8.camel@mirkwood.devel.redhat.com> On Thu, 2003-10-02 at 11:52, Justin M. Forbes wrote: > That can be worked with. Would the installer be easier to fix, or would > the kernel be easier? Well, "easier" is all in the eye of the beholder. With a 2.4 kernel, the installer is just going to "work". With a 2.6 kernel, there's going to be lots of unexpected crap to track down ;) Of course, if I was going to have to do all of the work, I'd do the anaconda side, but that's just because I'm already intimately familiar with the code that's there as well as what needs to be done (as well as how I plan to do it when I get to needing to do it). Another thing to keep in mind is that the 2.4.x kernel doesn't necessarily have to have all of the features of the x86 2.4.x kernel. Just start without any of NPTL, O(1), and exec-shield and then look at adding them one at a time (I'd say NPTL would be the most bang for the buck and then on from there) Just my $0.02, though. Also, might make sense to move this to fedora-devel-list (thus, setting reply-to) Jeremy From johnsonm at redhat.com Thu Oct 2 19:45:15 2003 From: johnsonm at redhat.com (Michael K. Johnson) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 15:45:15 -0400 Subject: Anyone working on a Feodore release for X86-64 ? In-Reply-To: ; from 64bit_fedora@comcast.net on Thu, Oct 02, 2003 at 10:52:11AM -0500 References: <1065109095.3670.16.camel@edoras.local.net> Message-ID: <20031002154515.B420@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Thu, Oct 02, 2003 at 10:52:11AM -0500, Justin M. Forbes wrote: > matter. I will certainly work on getting the current 2.4.21 kernel > working, but to get a platform that is easy for people to install and test > with, perhaps 2.6test will be easier for an initial release, then add the > 2.4.21 as an option, when I get it working. I am certainly more familiar > with kernel code than anaconda code, but not with the specifics of NPTL > and the 0(1) scheduler. Well, 2.4.22. Which, without any patches, should work on AMD64. Given the installer issues with the 2.6 kernel and the fact that we really haven't tuned the rest of the OS for it, and the fact that we intend that a stock kernel should run on Fedora Core, I'd suggest making your first try be to remove the NPTL and scheduler patches that Dave pointed out as causing trouble and see if things work that way. michaelkjohnson "He that composes himself is wiser than he that composes a book." Linux Application Development -- Ben Franklin http://people.redhat.com/johnsonm/lad/ From jakub at redhat.com Thu Oct 2 19:45:37 2003 From: jakub at redhat.com (Jakub Jelinek) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 15:45:37 -0400 Subject: Anyone working on a Feodore release for X86-64 ? In-Reply-To: <1065123665.9194.8.camel@mirkwood.devel.redhat.com>; from katzj@redhat.com on Thu, Oct 02, 2003 at 03:41:05PM -0400 References: <1065123665.9194.8.camel@mirkwood.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20031002154537.I26086@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Thu, Oct 02, 2003 at 03:41:05PM -0400, Jeremy Katz wrote: > On Thu, 2003-10-02 at 11:52, Justin M. Forbes wrote: > > That can be worked with. Would the installer be easier to fix, or would > > the kernel be easier? > > Well, "easier" is all in the eye of the beholder. With a 2.4 kernel, > the installer is just going to "work". With a 2.6 kernel, there's going > to be lots of unexpected crap to track down ;) Of course, if I was > going to have to do all of the work, I'd do the anaconda side, but > that's just because I'm already intimately familiar with the code that's > there as well as what needs to be done (as well as how I plan to do it > when I get to needing to do it). > > Another thing to keep in mind is that the 2.4.x kernel doesn't > necessarily have to have all of the features of the x86 2.4.x kernel. > Just start without any of NPTL, O(1), and exec-shield and then look at > adding them one at a time (I'd say NPTL would be the most bang for the > buck and then on from there) O(1) is NPTL requirement, so it needs to be done in O(1), NPTL, exec-shield (just the randomization stuff, the rest are IA-32 only things) order. Jakub From andre at bwh.harvard.edu Thu Oct 2 19:45:43 2003 From: andre at bwh.harvard.edu (Andre Robatino) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 15:45:43 -0400 (EDT) Subject: today's beta2 updates In-Reply-To: <1065123262.1964.102.camel@laptop> from "Warren Togami" at Oct 02, 2003 09:34:22 AM Message-ID: <200310021945.h92Jjhj16051@garfield.bwh.harvard.edu> > I have seen mozilla-1.4.1 freezing problems mentioned by the original > posters and also mozilla mail. If you file bugzilla reports please CC > me. My mozilla also uses up almost 100% of the CPU when it "freezes". However, strace -f mozilla shows it hanging on a futex system call: [pid 3400] clock_gettime(0, 0x4a6a95c) = -1 ENOSYS (Function not implemented) [pid 3400] gettimeofday({1065123504, 591658}, NULL) = 0 [pid 3400] futex(0x9b4b20c, FUTEX_WAIT, 54, {32, 968747000}) = -1 ETIMEDOUT (Connection timed out) [pid 3400] gettimeofday({1065123537, 579818}, NULL) = 0 [pid 3400] futex(0x9b4b198, FUTEX_WAKE, 1) = 0 [pid 3400] gettimeofday({1065123537, 580181}, NULL) = 0 [pid 3400] gettimeofday({1065123537, 580318}, NULL) = 0 [pid 3400] clock_gettime(0, 0x4a6a95c) = -1 ENOSYS (Function not implemented) [pid 3400] gettimeofday({1065123537, 580580}, NULL) = 0 [pid 3400] futex(0x9b4b20c, FUTEX_WAIT, 55, {835, 666738000} (hangs) So the CPU is occupied in user space, or system calls aren't being displayed. I noticed that glibc updates were included in the latest batch, that could be it. At the moment I can't file a bugzilla report since I don't have a browser that works well enough to do it. I should mention that prior to beta1 I had similar problems with Mozilla hanging, though only sporadically, not like this. Beta1 mostly cured it, and it was essentially gone before today. So there may have been a regression. From czar at czarc.net Thu Oct 2 20:18:01 2003 From: czar at czarc.net (Gene C.) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 16:18:01 -0400 Subject: suggestion Message-ID: <200310021618.01841.czar@czarc.net> I just used up2date to get and install all of the updates available including the kernel. This is the first time I have had up2date update the kernel. When up2date completed, I noticed that both the old and new kernels were still installed (good) and that the new kernel was now the default (surprised by this but I believe it is the correct thing to do). However, when I went through the up2date panels, there was no message of anything warning/telling me that I will need to reboot to actually have the new kernel take effect. While there may be other installed packages which will not really take effect without a reboot, the kernel is the most obvious and glaring. I really thing some "reminder" would be useful about the reboot being needed. I will put this bugzilla if you desire. -- Gene From warren at togami.com Thu Oct 2 20:17:34 2003 From: warren at togami.com (Warren Togami) Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2003 10:17:34 -1000 Subject: Severn test2 updates via RHN In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1065125853.1964.118.camel@laptop> Are the reports that many packages in up2date Severn are not signed true? Warren From ted at cypress.com Thu Oct 2 20:18:08 2003 From: ted at cypress.com (Thomas Dodd) Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2003 15:18:08 -0500 Subject: ok a silly question off topic.... In-Reply-To: <3F7C68C4.2000004@farorbit.com> References: <3F7C68C4.2000004@farorbit.com> Message-ID: <3F7C8800.1010300@cypress.com> stephan schutter wrote: > I fidured I could... but why would this not work for me? > > ls -lh |grep drw | \ while read i; do \ (tar -zcvf $i.tgz $i) What fails? I'm not a bash user so I'm not sure about the syntax. But I think I'd use find for this. "find . -type d -maxdepth 1 -name \?\* -print -exec tar -czf \{\}.tgz \{\} \;" one line, works in tcsh. > and zip all the folders in the given location to it's own file... You mean tar and gzip of course :) -Thomas From dstubbs at penguin.8inchfloppy.com Thu Oct 2 20:24:41 2003 From: dstubbs at penguin.8inchfloppy.com (Dave Stubbs) Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2003 16:24:41 -0400 Subject: Where's the Fedora? Message-ID: <3F7C8989.7070402@penguin.8inchfloppy.com> Prime Importance: The "Red Hat" button in the bottom left of the GUI needs to be changed to a Sherlock Holmes styled brown hounds-tooth pattern fedora. :-) Dave... From than at redhat.com Thu Oct 2 20:29:41 2003 From: than at redhat.com (Than Ngo) Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2003 22:29:41 +0200 Subject: "Homeless" KDE desktop In-Reply-To: <1065109683.3612.36.camel@hal9000.lokales.netz> References: <1065109683.3612.36.camel@hal9000.lokales.netz> Message-ID: <3F7C8AB5.1090704@redhat.com> Christoph Wickert wrote: >Hi! > >When doing a german KDE install, I only get 2 icons on my desktop: >Start-here (as known not working) and Trash. I feel homeless :( > >Is this a problem with translations? Did not happen to me with a >german-only install, just like the problems with firstboot: Installing >english & german results in a mixture of both. > > if you remove the directory $HOME/Desktop and try to restart KDE after it, you should have your Home and Floppy icons on your desktop again. Problem is that kdesktop does not update the Desktop directory if it already exist before starting KDE. Please fill it to bugzilla. Thanks Than From ms-nospam-0306 at arcor.de Thu Oct 2 20:34:31 2003 From: ms-nospam-0306 at arcor.de (Michael Schwendt) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 22:34:31 +0200 Subject: Severn test2 updates via RHN In-Reply-To: <1065125853.1964.118.camel@laptop> References: <1065125853.1964.118.camel@laptop> Message-ID: <20031002223431.298ba916.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, 02 Oct 2003 10:17:34 -1000, Warren Togami wrote: > Are the reports that many packages in up2date Severn are not signed > true? My up2date job stopped at the first package: XFree86-4.3.0-34.i386.rpm: ########################## Done. The package XFree86-4.3.0-34 is not signed with a GPG signature. Aborting... Package XFree86-4.3.0-34 does not have a GPG signature. Aborting... - -- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/fIvX0iMVcrivHFQRApBGAJ9XGdShi180j5vSGBSexkwyWkQ9tACbBDVu aPH+YNU42gwTyxodu2evH4w= =oSl8 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From ms-nospam-0306 at arcor.de Thu Oct 2 20:37:48 2003 From: ms-nospam-0306 at arcor.de (Michael Schwendt) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 22:37:48 +0200 Subject: Severn test2 updates via RHN In-Reply-To: <20031002223431.298ba916.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de> References: <1065125853.1964.118.camel@laptop> <20031002223431.298ba916.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de> Message-ID: <20031002223748.39f33e73.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 # rpm -K /var/spool/up2date/XFree86-4.3.0-34.i386.rpm /var/spool/up2date/XFree86-4.3.0-34.i386.rpm: (SHA1) DSA sha1 md5 (GPG) NOT OK (MISSING KEYS: GPG#e418e3aa) With key e418e3aa not being available in Severn #2, so I transferred it from Severn #1 Updates. The new up2date package seems to contain it, too. - -- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/fIyc0iMVcrivHFQRAgWFAJ9KBxZ6px2CZmP4sCrqRg1wBbDNpQCfY+nu zk+Al78Oioxhs+XJd1MpgHk= =t2Ec -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From gstool at earthlink.net Thu Oct 2 20:38:00 2003 From: gstool at earthlink.net (Gerry Tool) Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2003 15:38:00 -0500 Subject: suggestion In-Reply-To: <200310021618.01841.czar@czarc.net> References: <200310021618.01841.czar@czarc.net> Message-ID: <1065127080.6389.2.camel@gstpc.earthlink.net> On Thu, 2003-10-02 at 15:18, Gene C. wrote: > I just used up2date to get and install all of the updates available including > the kernel. This is the first time I have had up2date update the kernel. > > When up2date completed, I noticed that both the old and new kernels were still > installed (good) and that the new kernel was now the default (surprised by > this but I believe it is the correct thing to do). > > However, when I went through the up2date panels, there was no message of > anything warning/telling me that I will need to reboot to actually have the > new kernel take effect. While there may be other installed packages which > will not really take effect without a reboot, the kernel is the most obvious > and glaring. I really thing some "reminder" would be useful about the reboot > being needed. I will put this bugzilla if you desire. I updated the kernel and then ran up2date again. It gave me a message Your system is currently running kernel-2.4.22-1.2061.nptl, but the newest installed kernel is kernel-2.4.22-1.2082.nptl. It is recommended that you reboot at the first opportunity to test this new kernel. Gerry From twaugh at redhat.com Thu Oct 2 20:44:25 2003 From: twaugh at redhat.com (Tim Waugh) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 21:44:25 +0100 Subject: ok a silly question off topic.... In-Reply-To: <3F7C68C4.2000004@farorbit.com> References: <3F7C68C4.2000004@farorbit.com> Message-ID: <20031002204425.GC2229@redhat.com> On Thu, Oct 02, 2003 at 01:04:52PM -0500, stephan schutter wrote: > I fidured I could... but why would this not work for me? > > ls -lh |grep drw | \ while read i; do \ (tar -zcvf $i.tgz $i) You forgot to put the 'while read ...' bit in a ( subshell ). Tim. */ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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For now I've switched Leftof to Rightof in the server layout. This makes my screens line up correctly, but the right head is the "preferred" one; it gets the gdm login screen, the panel, and so on. If I go back to my RH9 install, the left screen will again be head 0. If I move the panel in my fedora beta install to the left, it will be on the right in my regular rh9 install. Very confusing and irritating :) f) the redhat-config-xfree86 "multihead" tab is funny. I think a) and b) are pretty critical, and they have bugs in bugzilla, but it seems to be non-obvious (something about the alternate X server using the special framebuffer lib not respecting xbg and the file system being readonly at that time... Where do I start in getting these fixed before release ? Thomas Dave/Dina : future TV today ! - http://davedina.apestaart.org/ <-*- thomas (dot) apestaart (dot) org -*-> When I said I understood I only knew where to stand <-*- thomas (at) apestaart (dot) org -*-> URGent, best radio on the net - 24/7 ! - http://urgent.rug.ac.be/ From otaylor at redhat.com Thu Oct 2 20:53:10 2003 From: otaylor at redhat.com (Owen Taylor) Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2003 16:53:10 -0400 Subject: Where's the Fedora? In-Reply-To: <3F7C8989.7070402@penguin.8inchfloppy.com> References: <3F7C8989.7070402@penguin.8inchfloppy.com> Message-ID: <1065127990.30055.320.camel@poincare.devel.redhat.com> On Thu, 2003-10-02 at 16:24, Dave Stubbs wrote: > Prime Importance: > > The "Red Hat" button in the bottom left of the GUI needs to be changed > to a Sherlock Holmes styled brown hounds-tooth pattern fedora. > > :-) That's a "deerstalker cap"; a fedora looks, well, like the red fedora in the lower left of your screen. Owen From davej at redhat.com Thu Oct 2 21:33:52 2003 From: davej at redhat.com (Dave Jones) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 22:33:52 +0100 Subject: Anyone working on a Feodore release for X86-64 ? In-Reply-To: <20031002154515.B420@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <1065109095.3670.16.camel@edoras.local.net> <20031002154515.B420@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20031002213352.GI19704@redhat.com> On Thu, Oct 02, 2003 at 03:45:15PM -0400, Michael K. Johnson wrote: > Given the installer issues with the 2.6 kernel and the fact that > we really haven't tuned the rest of the OS for it, and the fact > that we intend that a stock kernel should run on Fedora Core, > I'd suggest making your first try be to remove the NPTL and > scheduler patches that Dave pointed out as causing trouble and > see if things work that way. That way lies a whole world of pain as I discovered when we rebased to 2.4.22. We have lots of patches depandant upon nptl being patched in already. If you remove that, prepare for an afternoons fun rediffing quite a few other patches. Dave -- Dave Jones http://www.codemonkey.org.uk From pauln at truemesh.com Thu Oct 2 21:40:24 2003 From: pauln at truemesh.com (Paul Nasrat) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 22:40:24 +0100 Subject: Where's the Fedora? In-Reply-To: <1065127990.30055.320.camel@poincare.devel.redhat.com> References: <3F7C8989.7070402@penguin.8inchfloppy.com> <1065127990.30055.320.camel@poincare.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20031002214023.GM27426@shitake.truemesh.com> On Thu, Oct 02, 2003 at 04:53:10PM -0400, Owen Taylor wrote: > > That's a "deerstalker cap"; a fedora looks, well, like the > red fedora in the lower left of your screen. > Maybe deerstalker should be the next rawhide :) Paul From xose at wanadoo.es Thu Oct 2 21:42:21 2003 From: xose at wanadoo.es (Xose Vazquez Perez) Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2003 23:42:21 +0200 Subject: Anyone working on a Feodore release for X86-64 ? References: <1065109095.3670.16.camel@edoras.local.net> <20031002154515.B420@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <3F7C9BBD.3090302@wanadoo.es> Michael K. Johnson wrote: > Well, 2.4.22. Which, without any patches, should work on AMD64. 2.4.23-pre6 has a lot of new patches for x86_64 arch: http://kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.4/testing/patch-2.4.23.log -- :x From czar at czarc.net Thu Oct 2 21:44:24 2003 From: czar at czarc.net (Gene C.) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 17:44:24 -0400 Subject: suggestion In-Reply-To: <1065127080.6389.2.camel@gstpc.earthlink.net> References: <200310021618.01841.czar@czarc.net> <1065127080.6389.2.camel@gstpc.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <200310021744.24118.czar@czarc.net> On Thursday 02 October 2003 16:38, Gerry Tool wrote: > Your system is currently running kernel-2.4.22-1.2061.nptl, but the > newest installed kernel is kernel-2.4.22-1.2082.nptl. It is recommended > that you reboot at the first opportunity to test this new kernel. I am sure it did since I have had that before even when I manually installed the kernel but then ran up2date without rebooting. What I am talking about is the up2date "session" when the kernel is installed ... it just completes (after changing the default boot kernel in /boot/grub/grub.conf. -- Gene From 64bit_fedora at comcast.net Thu Oct 2 21:54:37 2003 From: 64bit_fedora at comcast.net (Justin M. Forbes) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 16:54:37 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Anyone working on a Feodore release for X86-64 ? In-Reply-To: <20031002213352.GI19704@redhat.com> Message-ID: It seems that any way I go about it results in a world of pain... Pain I can handle, it seems to me the people would rather have the 2.4 kernel as an option, and for completeness, I would like the AMD64 Fedora to be package complete with i386 Fedora. I also understand that 2.6test needs to be tested. I am working the path right now of using the Fedora kernel and working out the issues. I will submit patches through bugzilla as I run across them, and hope to get to a codebase that will work for both platforms by Core release. At the same time, I will be working with 2.6 and keep it inline to be ready for Core 2 beta releases. I intend to see this port through as long as I am able, and do not mind working through pain. Justin M. Forbes On Thu, 2 Oct 2003, Dave Jones wrote: > On Thu, Oct 02, 2003 at 03:45:15PM -0400, Michael K. Johnson wrote: > > > Given the installer issues with the 2.6 kernel and the fact that > > we really haven't tuned the rest of the OS for it, and the fact > > that we intend that a stock kernel should run on Fedora Core, > > I'd suggest making your first try be to remove the NPTL and > > scheduler patches that Dave pointed out as causing trouble and > > see if things work that way. > > That way lies a whole world of pain as I discovered when we rebased > to 2.4.22. We have lots of patches depandant upon nptl being patched > in already. If you remove that, prepare for an afternoons fun rediffing > quite a few other patches. > > Dave > > From a.t.meinen at chello.nl Thu Oct 2 21:56:10 2003 From: a.t.meinen at chello.nl (Tino Meinen) Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2003 23:56:10 +0200 Subject: Unknown Excel functions in gnumeric-1.2.0-1.i386.rpm In-Reply-To: <20031002104131.46328290.dickson@permanentmail.com> References: <20031002104131.46328290.dickson@permanentmail.com> Message-ID: <1065131769.2877.109.camel@node10a62.a2000.nl> Hi Paul You have to enable the plugins first (Via the Tools -> Plug-ins) The expression you give works just fine in gnumeric 1.2.0 (also make sure that the argument separator uses the right one for the locale that you use within gnumeric. (for the Dutch locale that's ; instead of ,) Tino Op do 02-10-2003, om 19:41 schreef Paul Dickson: > I downloaded gnumeric from Rawhide (but cmp says severn has the same file) > and tried it on my one of my files. Unfortunately, it tells me the > function '=upper(concatenate(A1, " ", B1))' is invalid. It was previously > valid in an earlier version of gnumeric (RH9) and the documentation on > gnumeric's home page says upper and concatenate are Excel functions (so I > doubt support was removed). From mark at mitre.org Thu Oct 2 22:30:33 2003 From: mark at mitre.org (Mark Heslep) Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2003 18:30:33 -0400 Subject: anaconda performance thoughts [Re: ANNOUNCE: Severn Test 2 Anaconda Updates Image Available] In-Reply-To: <1064969129.32323.7.camel@binkley> References: <1064870504.1771.31.camel@avatar.devel.redhat.com> <1064969129.32323.7.camel@binkley> Message-ID: <3F7CA709.5090307@mitre.org> I wish there was a way to measure that. >I might be spoiled but I've gotten used to network installs. > >-sv > > > >-- >fedora-test-list mailing list >fedora-test-list at redhat.com >http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > > Yes same here. And in an attempt to be even lazier, is it absolutely necessary that the boot.iso image be non-compatible with every following release?* Would be nice not to have to reburn the boot.iso image with every release. Just download iso's to server, pop in existing boot CD, reboot and go. Yes I know part of the beta process is to test the latest Anaconda. Ive forgotten though with the stage 1, stage 2 boot blah blah how much of the installer is on the boot.iso image when the transistion is made to the main disk iso. -Mark * The error messsage is something like "Your boot media appears to not match the installation media" From katzj at redhat.com Thu Oct 2 22:41:10 2003 From: katzj at redhat.com (Jeremy Katz) Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2003 18:41:10 -0400 Subject: anaconda performance thoughts [Re: ANNOUNCE: Severn Test 2 Anaconda Updates Image Available] In-Reply-To: <3F7CA709.5090307@mitre.org> References: <1064870504.1771.31.camel@avatar.devel.redhat.com> <1064969129.32323.7.camel@binkley> <3F7CA709.5090307@mitre.org> Message-ID: <1065134470.9194.46.camel@mirkwood.devel.redhat.com> On Thu, 2003-10-02 at 18:30, Mark Heslep wrote: > Yes same here. And in an attempt to be even lazier, is it absolutely > necessary that the boot.iso image be non-compatible with every following > release?* Yes, it is completely 100% necessary. It contains the kernel and some of the modules are on the boot CD and some are contained on the second stage. You can't load modules compiled for one kernel on another and actually expect things to work (and without the second stage modules, you don't have useful things like ext3) Not to mention changes within the loader which require corresponding second stage changes. Jeremy From blizzard at redhat.com Thu Oct 2 22:34:25 2003 From: blizzard at redhat.com (Christopher Blizzard) Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2003 18:34:25 -0400 Subject: Initial look at Fedora Core Test 2 In-Reply-To: <1064652329.3084.8.camel@rh9> References: <1064552231.3084.2.camel@rh9> <1064584505.1241.22.camel@dhcppc3> <1064652329.3084.8.camel@rh9> Message-ID: <3F7CA7F1.5030700@redhat.com> Philip Wyett wrote: > > Oops - Sorry! :) Ok, I'll wait for Chris Blizzard to rawhide it. 0.70 should be in rawhide any hour now. --Chris From blizzard at redhat.com Thu Oct 2 22:45:43 2003 From: blizzard at redhat.com (Christopher Blizzard) Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2003 18:45:43 -0400 Subject: mozilla theme In-Reply-To: <3F77800B.9090304@lopht.net> References: <3F77800B.9090304@lopht.net> Message-ID: <3F7CAA97.2010300@redhat.com> Justin Georgeson wrote: > I realise this is going to be a somewhat offtopic post, but am thinking > perhaps the mozilla package maintainer(s) will see this and respond. > Thankfully I waited to install a new mozilla theme long enough to notice > that it's using the gtk2 theme from the system settings. Is this > something RedHat added to the Classic theme? (If I download new themes, > can I get this back by going to the Classic theme) I'd like to be able > to change to the button icons for a different theme, and keep the gtk2 > theme system settings applied. Anyone know how to do that? > Only the classic theme has the right bindings to use the system settings. If you want other themes that support it, you need to bug the various theme maintainers. --Chris From blizzard at redhat.com Thu Oct 2 22:53:20 2003 From: blizzard at redhat.com (Christopher Blizzard) Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2003 18:53:20 -0400 Subject: New extra packages... In-Reply-To: <1064907527.14330.48.camel@wombat.tiptoe.de> References: <1064907527.14330.48.camel@wombat.tiptoe.de> Message-ID: <3F7CAC60.2030408@redhat.com> Nils Philippsen wrote: > - galeon-1.3.9-3: needed for Mozilla-1.4.1 (if you don't have it, don't > upgrade), SRPM includes "BuildRequires: nspr-devel" spotted by Michal > Ambroz That shouldn't be required anymore. I fixed the mozilla-devel -> mozilla-nspr-devel dependency. --Chris From dickson at permanentmail.com Thu Oct 2 23:29:24 2003 From: dickson at permanentmail.com (Paul Dickson) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 16:29:24 -0700 Subject: Unknown Excel functions in gnumeric-1.2.0-1.i386.rpm In-Reply-To: <1065131769.2877.109.camel@node10a62.a2000.nl> References: <20031002104131.46328290.dickson@permanentmail.com> <1065131769.2877.109.camel@node10a62.a2000.nl> Message-ID: <20031002162924.0bf07ad5.dickson@permanentmail.com> On Thu, 02 Oct 2003 23:56:10 +0200, Tino Meinen wrote: > Hi Paul > > You have to enable the plugins first (Via the Tools -> Plug-ins) > The expression you give works just fine in gnumeric 1.2.0 > > (also make sure that the argument separator uses the right one for the > locale that you use within gnumeric. (for the Dutch locale that's ; > instead of ,) > > Tino > > Op do 02-10-2003, om 19:41 schreef Paul Dickson: > > I downloaded gnumeric from Rawhide (but cmp says severn has the same file) > > and tried it on my one of my files. Unfortunately, it tells me the > > function '=upper(concatenate(A1, " ", B1))' is invalid. It was previously > > valid in an earlier version of gnumeric (RH9) and the documentation on > > gnumeric's home page says upper and concatenate are Excel functions (so I > > doubt support was removed). I wasn't aware of having to enable the plugins. Thanks. After enabling the plugins and then restarting gnumeric, my spreadsheet had no problems with the functions. -Paul From janina at rednote.net Fri Oct 3 00:01:14 2003 From: janina at rednote.net (Janina Sajka) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 20:01:14 -0400 Subject: installing and selecting runlevel 3? In-Reply-To: <9140937.1064862536737.JavaMail.root@wamui06.slb.atl.earthlink.net> References: <9140937.1064862536737.JavaMail.root@wamui06.slb.atl.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <20031003000114.GD24408@rednote.net> Not only should it be possible to choose runlevel 3 during the installation, it should also be possible to Ctrl-Alt-F1 one's way out of First Boot. The fact that one can't is not very user friendly especially for unsophisticated users. It'll definitely trip up any number of users who are blind, too. Robert P. J. Day writes: > From: "Robert P. J. Day" > > perhaps my memory is just going, but did i just overlook where, in > the installation, i can select that i just want to boot to runlevel 3? i'm > a *real* fan of this, particularly since my first attempt to install fedora > hung at trying to run "firstboot". > > and bypassing firstboot made it clear that trying to startx with this > particular make and model of monitor fails miserably. i much prefer > to start with runlevel 3, and only switch to 5 once i verify that everything > works properly. > > rday > > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list -- Janina Sajka Email: janina at rednote.net Phone: (202) 408-8175 Director, Technology Research and Development American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) http://www.afb.org Chair, Accessibility Working Group Free Standards Group http://accessibility.freestandards.org From louisg00 at bellsouth.net Fri Oct 3 00:10:54 2003 From: louisg00 at bellsouth.net (Louis Garcia) Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2003 20:10:54 -0400 Subject: seven beta 2 updates channel and rhn-applet Message-ID: <1065139853.3239.6.camel@tiger> Is their a way to make the rhn-applet point to the update channel? Also, I just updated but the rhn page still says my system is out of date. --Lou From gstool at earthlink.net Fri Oct 3 00:39:34 2003 From: gstool at earthlink.net (Gerry Tool) Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2003 19:39:34 -0500 Subject: seven beta 2 updates channel and rhn-applet In-Reply-To: <1065139853.3239.6.camel@tiger> References: <1065139853.3239.6.camel@tiger> Message-ID: <1065141574.4960.2.camel@gstpc.earthlink.net> On Thu, 2003-10-02 at 19:10, Louis Garcia wrote: > Is their a way to make the rhn-applet point to the update channel? > Log onto Red Hat Network. Select the Systems Tab. Select your Severn system. Click on Alter Channel Subscriptions. Place a check by Severn Beta 2 (i386) Updates. Click on Change Subscriptions. The next time you run up2date from the panel applet, it will have this channel available. Gerry From gstool at earthlink.net Fri Oct 3 00:43:12 2003 From: gstool at earthlink.net (Gerry Tool) Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2003 19:43:12 -0500 Subject: notification area in gnome & kde In-Reply-To: <20031002183430.4d227055.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de> References: <1065108944.3612.26.camel@hal9000.lokales.netz> <20031002183430.4d227055.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de> Message-ID: <1065141792.4960.4.camel@gstpc.earthlink.net> On Thu, 2003-10-02 at 11:34, Michael Schwendt wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Thu, 02 Oct 2003 17:35:44 +0200, Christoph Wickert wrote: > > > Some problems with the notification areas in kde and gnome panel: > > > > 1. The "famous" 1px wide RHN icon :-) > > Good: On my box it works fine in both gnome & kde, since I 've chosen > > kdm for login. > > Bad: When I chose "Hide from Panel" in the configuration dialog the icon > > is back after a login. > > From: Daniel Veillard > To: fedora-devel-list at redhat.com > Subject: For those with RHN applet rendering problems > Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 10:20:29 -0400 > > Those who got hit by the "1 pixel wide" applet problem can test the > 1.0.12 release which should incorporate a fix, if you still see > the problem after upgrading and restarting the applet, please state > so in bug #75225 : Shouldn't that b 2.0.12 rather than 1.0.12? Gerry From andre at bwh.harvard.edu Fri Oct 3 00:59:46 2003 From: andre at bwh.harvard.edu (Andre Robatino) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 20:59:46 -0400 (EDT) Subject: seven beta 2 updates channel and rhn-applet In-Reply-To: <1065141574.4960.2.camel@gstpc.earthlink.net> from "Gerry Tool" at Oct 02, 2003 07:39:34 PM Message-ID: <200310030059.h930xkK24172@garfield.bwh.harvard.edu> > On Thu, 2003-10-02 at 19:10, Louis Garcia wrote: > > Is their a way to make the rhn-applet point to the update channel? > > > Log onto Red Hat Network. > > Select the Systems Tab. > > Select your Severn system. > > Click on Alter Channel Subscriptions. > > Place a check by Severn Beta 2 (i386) Updates. > > Click on Change Subscriptions. > > The next time you run up2date from the panel applet, it will have this > channel available. > > Gerry I don't think that's what he meant. I've done all of the above, and I can find out if there are updates, but only by running up2date and manually selecting the updates channel (the base channel is selected by default). I'd like the RHN applet configured so it turns red when there are updates in the update channel, not the base channel (where I've never seen updates since beta1), so I don't have to run up2date except when there's something waiting. Looking through the rhn-applet package, there doesn't seem to be any way to configure this. From fedora-test-list at hourfollowshour.org Fri Oct 3 01:25:04 2003 From: fedora-test-list at hourfollowshour.org (fedora-test-list) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 21:25:04 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Laptop Sony Vaio R505TS - test2 - ACPI In-Reply-To: <20031002072501.11557.56315.Mailman@listman.back-rdu.redhat.com> References: <20031002072501.11557.56315.Mailman@listman.back-rdu.redhat.com> Message-ID: <33045.216.254.115.235.1065144304.squirrel@www.insue.com> Sean, Thanks! That definitly did the trick, ACPI is up and running. Next on the list is to play with performance and cpufreq. Also, installing the linux-wlan drivers appears to break pcmcia, I get yenta errors after restarting pcmcia after I make install the linux-wlan code. Anyhow, I'm going to review it again, if I still have issues I will post more details. Louis > Hi Louis, > > I had a similar problem with a Toshiba laptop. > > It seems that the acpi-related modules are not being loaded. > > Edit your /etc/rc.d/init.d/acpid ..... > > ..... > start() { > # Check if it is already running > if [ ! -f /var/lock/subsys/$PROGNAME ]; then > echo -n $"Starting acpi daemon: " > # add apci modules - button only default! > modprobe ac > /dev/null 2>&1 > modprobe battery > /dev/null 2>&1 > modprobe button > /dev/null 2>&1 > modprobe fan > /dev/null 2>&1 > modprobe processor > /dev/null 2>&1 > modprobe thermal > /dev/null 2>&1 > daemon /usr/sbin/$PROGNAME > RETVAL=$? > [ $RETVAL -eq 0 ] && touch /var/lock/subsys/$PROGNAME > echo > fi > return $RETVAL > } > > > That fixed me. > > Sean Craig > > From mbarrientos at cfl.rr.com Fri Oct 3 01:28:12 2003 From: mbarrientos at cfl.rr.com (Mario) Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2003 21:28:12 -0400 Subject: seven beta 2 updates channel and rhn-applet In-Reply-To: <200310030059.h930xkK24172@garfield.bwh.harvard.edu> References: <200310030059.h930xkK24172@garfield.bwh.harvard.edu> Message-ID: <3F7CD0AC.3010002@cfl.rr.com> Andre Robatino wrote: >>On Thu, 2003-10-02 at 19:10, Louis Garcia wrote: >> >> >>>Is their a way to make the rhn-applet point to the update channel? >>> >>> >>> >>Log onto Red Hat Network. >> >>Select the Systems Tab. >> >>Select your Severn system. >> >>Click on Alter Channel Subscriptions. >> >>Place a check by Severn Beta 2 (i386) Updates. >> >>Click on Change Subscriptions. >> >>The next time you run up2date from the panel applet, it will have this >>channel available. >> >>Gerry >> >> > > I don't think that's what he meant. I've done all of the above, and I >can find out if there are updates, but only by running up2date and manually >selecting the updates channel (the base channel is selected by default). >I'd like the RHN applet configured so it turns red when there are updates >in the update channel, not the base channel (where I've never seen updates >since beta1), so I don't have to run up2date except when there's something >waiting. Looking through the rhn-applet package, there doesn't seem to be >any way to configure this. > > >-- >fedora-test-list mailing list >fedora-test-list at redhat.com >http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > > I followed those instructions and now up2date can see the new packages!!! Thanks Mario From mbarrientos at cfl.rr.com Fri Oct 3 01:46:05 2003 From: mbarrientos at cfl.rr.com (Mario) Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2003 21:46:05 -0400 Subject: up2date says 'The package is not signed with GPG Signature' Message-ID: <3F7CD4DD.50809@cfl.rr.com> Hi, I'm updating my Severn-Beta2 installation, but up2date for every package I got that message. How can I avoid that msg? Regards Mario From redhat-jc at insight.rr.com Fri Oct 3 02:00:21 2003 From: redhat-jc at insight.rr.com (Jim - 815 beta) Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2003 22:00:21 -0400 Subject: text vs. graphical boot In-Reply-To: <20031002112424.A20198@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <200309292327.h8TNRNU16787@garfield.bwh.harvard.edu> <1064878613.16345.88.camel@mirkwood.devel.redhat.com> <3F7BA47F.9010907@farorbit.com> <20031002112424.A20198@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <3F7CD835.3060404@insight.rr.com> Michael K. Johnson wrote: >On Wed, Oct 01, 2003 at 11:07:27PM -0500, stephan schutter wrote: > > >>Are you planning to cover the ugly/scary/intimidating/non-desktopish >>kernel boot with a splash screen ala Mandrake, SuSE, Lindows, Lycoris, >>Xandros, et. al? >> >> > >I'd rather work on cleaning up the boot messages so they aren't >so scary -- there's a lot of noise there IMHO. But that part >really only takes a couple of seconds... > >If we do a graphical kernel splash, it's got to be as decent code >that stands a good chance of acceptance upstream. As I mentioned >before, that doesn't include grovelling through memory looking for >something that resembles a JPEG file. > >michaelkjohnson > > "He that composes himself is wiser than he that composes a book." > Linux Application Development -- Ben Franklin > http://people.redhat.com/johnsonm/lad/ > > > I'd like to see some sort of process messages going on with the boot. Even just having a process name showing on the graphical boot would cue people better into if the system is locked or proceeding normally. Not having an indication of the systems activity is distracting to me. I saw the OK (green) and failed (red) process prompts on Slackware, before seeing them on Red Hat releases. Instead of a twirling monkey or Fedora. These tire quickly. As the bar for the other OS. I would like to see something along the lines of a stop light (Red - failed, green succeeded or yellow for in-process) with the process name. Even a Fedora type of hat, with the process being displayed as the emblem, changing with the process status. (Any color you'd like to present). I like the text messages, but can understand that too much information is alarming to some users. Jim From christoph.wickert at web.de Fri Oct 3 02:19:57 2003 From: christoph.wickert at web.de (Christoph Wickert) Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2003 04:19:57 +0200 Subject: "Homeless" KDE desktop In-Reply-To: <3F7C8AB5.1090704@redhat.com> References: <1065109683.3612.36.camel@hal9000.lokales.netz> <3F7C8AB5.1090704@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1065147597.4443.2.camel@hal9000.lokales.netz> Am Do, 2003-10-02 um 22.29 schrieb Than Ngo: > > if you remove the directory $HOME/Desktop and try to restart KDE after > it, you should > have your Home and Floppy icons on your desktop again. > Thanks, that helps. > Problem is that kdesktop does not update the Desktop directory if it > already exist before starting KDE. Please fill it to bugzilla. Thanks > See https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=106136 Christoph -- Christoph Wickert From redhat-jc at insight.rr.com Fri Oct 3 02:31:05 2003 From: redhat-jc at insight.rr.com (Jim - 815 beta) Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2003 22:31:05 -0400 Subject: today's beta2 updates (Moz-mail) In-Reply-To: <200310021945.h92Jjhj16051@garfield.bwh.harvard.edu> References: <200310021945.h92Jjhj16051@garfield.bwh.harvard.edu> Message-ID: <3F7CDF69.5030102@insight.rr.com> Andre Robatino wrote: >>I have seen mozilla-1.4.1 freezing problems mentioned by the original >>posters and also mozilla mail. If you file bugzilla reports please CC >>me. > > > My mozilla also uses up almost 100% of the CPU when it "freezes". However, > strace -f mozilla shows it hanging on a futex system call: > > [pid 3400] clock_gettime(0, 0x4a6a95c) = -1 ENOSYS (Function not implemented) > [pid 3400] gettimeofday({1065123504, 591658}, NULL) = 0 > [pid 3400] futex(0x9b4b20c, FUTEX_WAIT, 54, {32, 968747000}) = -1 ETIMEDOUT (Connection timed out) > [pid 3400] gettimeofday({1065123537, 579818}, NULL) = 0 > [pid 3400] futex(0x9b4b198, FUTEX_WAKE, 1) = 0 > [pid 3400] gettimeofday({1065123537, 580181}, NULL) = 0 > [pid 3400] gettimeofday({1065123537, 580318}, NULL) = 0 > [pid 3400] clock_gettime(0, 0x4a6a95c) = -1 ENOSYS (Function not implemented) > [pid 3400] gettimeofday({1065123537, 580580}, NULL) = 0 > [pid 3400] futex(0x9b4b20c, FUTEX_WAIT, 55, {835, 666738000} > > (hangs) > > So the CPU is occupied in user space, or system calls aren't being > displayed. I noticed that glibc updates were included in the latest batch, > that could be it. At the moment I can't file a bugzilla report since I don't > have a browser that works well enough to do it. I should mention that > prior to beta1 I had similar problems with Mozilla hanging, though only > sporadically, not like this. Beta1 mostly cured it, and it was essentially > gone before today. So there may have been a regression. > I tried "strace -f mozilla -mail" and got the excerpt below. I didn't test out the browser much, it does come up alright though. Is a bug filed for this one? Jim [pid 4418] stat64("/usr/lib/mozilla-1.4.1/chrome/venkman.jar", {st_mode=S_IFREG|0644, st_size=822934, ...}) = 0 [pid 4418] write(29, "", 0) = 0 [pid 4418] lseek(29, 24, SEEK_SET) = 24 [pid 4418] write(29, "\0\0\0\0", 4) = 4 [pid 4418] lseek(29, 1093101, SEEK_SET) = 1093101 [pid 4418] sched_get_priority_max(0) = 0 [pid 4418] sched_get_priority_min(0) = 0 [pid 4418] clone(Process 4435 attached child_stack=0x602db08, flags=CLONE_VM|CLONE_FS|CLONE_FILES|CLONE_SIGHAND|CLONE_THREAD|CLONE_SYSVSEM|CLONE_SETTLS|CLONE_PARENT_SETTID|CLONE_CHILD_CLEARTID|CLONE_DETACHED, parent_tidptr=0x602dbf8, {entry_number:6, base_addr:0x602dbb0, limit:1048575, seg_32bit:1, contents:0, read_exec_only:0, limit_in_pages:1, seg_not_present:0, useable:1}, child_tidptr=0x602dbf8) = 4435 [pid 4418] sched_setscheduler(0x1153, 0, 0x602ddac) = 0 [pid 4418] write(3, "\22\0\17\0006\0\0\2\345\0\0\0\344\0\0\0\10\0\0\0\"\0\0"..., 288 [pid 4435] --- SIGSTOP (Stopped (signal)) @ 0 (0) --- [pid 4418] <... write resumed> ) = 288 [pid 4435] --- SIGSTOP (Stopped (signal)) @ 0 (0) --- [pid 4428] <... futex resumed> ) = -1 EINTR (Interrupted system call) [pid 4418] --- SIGSTOP (Stopped (signal)) @ 0 (0) --- [pid 4435] --- SIGSTOP (Stopped (signal)) @ 0 (0) --- [pid 4426] <... futex resumed> ) = -1 EINTR (Interrupted system call) [pid 4425] <... poll resumed> [{fd=6, events=POLLIN}], 1, -1) = -1 EINTR (Interrupted system call) [pid 4428] --- SIGSTOP (Stopped (signal)) @ 0 (0) --- [pid 4435] open("/usr/lib/mozilla-1.4.1/chrome/messenger.jar", O_RDONLY|O_LARGEFILE [pid 4426] futex(0x94b948c, FUTEX_WAIT, 0, NULL [pid 4425] poll( [pid 4428] clock_gettime(0, [pid 4435] <... open resumed> ) = 30 [pid 4428] <... clock_gettime resumed> 0x2e9295c) = -1 ENOSYS (Function not implemented) [pid 4435] lseek(30, 1240845, SEEK_SET [pid 4428] gettimeofday( [pid 4435] <... lseek resumed> ) = 1240845 [pid 4428] <... gettimeofday resumed> {1065147678, 157562}, NULL) = 0 [pid 4435] read(30, [pid 4428] futex(0x9568664, FUTEX_WAIT, 27, {0, 12292000} [pid 4435] <... read resumed> "PK\3\4\n\0\0\0\0\0`\277p.\7\237$\232\232\32\0\0\232\32"..., 30) = 30 [pid 4435] lseek(30, 1240935, SEEK_SET) = 1240935 [pid 4435] read(30, " \n mtd123 at rogueind.com From cochranb at speakeasy.net Fri Oct 3 03:46:49 2003 From: cochranb at speakeasy.net (Robert L Cochran) Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2003 23:46:49 -0400 Subject: Severn test2 updates via RHN In-Reply-To: <20031002223748.39f33e73.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de> References: <1065125853.1964.118.camel@laptop> <20031002223431.298ba916.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de> <20031002223748.39f33e73.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de> Message-ID: <3F7CF129.7090507@speakeasy.net> So what should I do to get this key if I did not do any Severn 1 updates? I never had the time to really work with it. I see there is a new version of up2date in the current batch of updates, maybe that will install the required key? Thanks Bob Cochran Michael Schwendt wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > # rpm -K /var/spool/up2date/XFree86-4.3.0-34.i386.rpm > /var/spool/up2date/XFree86-4.3.0-34.i386.rpm: (SHA1) DSA sha1 md5 > (GPG) NOT OK (MISSING KEYS: GPG#e418e3aa) > > With key e418e3aa not being available in Severn #2, so I transferred > it from Severn #1 Updates. > > The new up2date package seems to contain it, too. > > - -- > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQE/fIyc0iMVcrivHFQRAgWFAJ9KBxZ6px2CZmP4sCrqRg1wBbDNpQCfY+nu > zk+Al78Oioxhs+XJd1MpgHk= > =t2Ec > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > -- Bob Cochran Greenbelt, Maryland, USA http://greenbeltcomputer.biz/ From cochranb at speakeasy.net Fri Oct 3 03:50:20 2003 From: cochranb at speakeasy.net (Robert L Cochran) Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2003 23:50:20 -0400 Subject: anaconda performance thoughts [Re: ANNOUNCE: Severn Test 2 Anaconda Updates Image Available] In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3F7CF1FC.9040308@speakeasy.net> I greatly prefer network installs myself. I only burn CD 1 to have a rescue CD. Bob Tom Diehl wrote: > On Tue, 30 Sep 2003, seth vidal wrote: > > >>On Tue, 2003-09-30 at 19:18, Matt Bernstein wrote: >> >>>On Sep 29 Michael Fulbright wrote: >>> >>> >>>>The amount of feedback we've received for the Fedora Core Severn Test 2 >>>>has been impressive. The anaconda team appreciates the time everyone >>>>has taken to test anaconda. >>> >>>Not strictly related, but I've been thinking for a while now that most >>>people do CD installs and watch the CD LED flash, then the HDD LED. >>>This alternating is a bottleneck which I guess can be reduced by either >>>or both of: >>> >> >>do most people install off of cd? > > > Only if they do not have a network to install from. :-) > > >>I wish there was a way to measure that. > > > +1 > > >>I might be spoiled but I've gotten used to network installs. > > > I cannot remember the last time I burned install cd's for my own use. ;) > -- Bob Cochran Greenbelt, Maryland, USA http://greenbeltcomputer.biz/ From fedora-test-list at hourfollowshour.org Fri Oct 3 03:55:43 2003 From: fedora-test-list at hourfollowshour.org (fedora-test-list) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 23:55:43 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Linux-wlan install breaks Fedora test2 pcmcia In-Reply-To: <20031003024202.11646.33071.Mailman@listman.back-rdu.redhat.com> References: <20031003024202.11646.33071.Mailman@listman.back-rdu.redhat.com> Message-ID: <32810.216.254.115.235.1065153343.squirrel@www.insue.com> After installing linux-wlan on Fedora test2 (Vaio R505TS ACPI Laptop), pcmcia breaks with the following upon startup: [root at localhost linux-wlan-ng-0.2.1-pre12]# /etc/init.d/pcmcia start Starting PCMCIA services: modulesmodprobe: Can't locate module pcmcia_core.o modprobe: Can't locate module yenta_socket.o modprobe: Can't locate module ds.o cardmgr. In /var/log/messages: Oct 2 23:35:42 localhost cardmgr[8783]: starting, version is 3.1.31 Oct 2 23:35:42 localhost cardmgr[8783]: no pcmcia driver in /proc/devices Oct 2 23:35:42 localhost cardmgr[8783]: exiting I am using pre12 in this example but I have tried other versions of the linux-wlan code and the result of breaking pcmcia has been the same. Any help would be appreciated as to how to get the driver working, or how to get my old pcmcia working. Re-ran depmod -a. Also rebooted. To compile linux-wlan drivers, they require that you have the pcmcia source on the system and configured, I downloaded 3.1.22 and threw it in /usr/src/ and ran make config on it. Kernel Params: acpi=on nogui (also tried with pci=biosirq) $ uname -a Linux localhost.localdomain 2.4.22-1.2061.nptl #1 Mon Sep 22 14:39:36 EDT 2003 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux Starting pcmcia: (Before linux-wlan install) Oct 2 23:22:10 localhost kernel: Linux Kernel Card Services 3.1.22 Oct 2 23:22:10 localhost kernel: options: [pci] [cardbus] [pm] Oct 2 23:22:10 localhost kernel: Yenta IRQ list 0cb8, PCI irq9 Oct 2 23:22:10 localhost kernel: Socket status: 30000410 Linux-wlan ./Configure: linux-wlan-ng-0.2.1-pre12]# ./Configure -------------- Linux WLAN Configuration Script ------------- The default responses are correct for most users. Build Prism2.x PCMCIA Card Services (_cs) driver? (y/n) [y]: Build Prism2 PLX9052 based PCI (_plx) adapter driver? (y/n) [n]: Build Prism2.5 native PCI (_pci) driver? (y/n) [n]: Build Prism2.5 USB (_usb) driver? (y/n) [n]: Linux source directory [/usr/src/linux]: The kernel source tree is version 2.4.22-1.2061.nptl. The current kernel build date is Mon Sep 22 14:39:36 2003. Alternate target install root directory on host []: PCMCIA script directory [/etc/pcmcia]: Module install directory [/lib/modules/2.4.22-1.2061.nptl]: It looks like you have a System V init file setup. Prefix for build host compiler? (rarely needed) []: Build for debugging (see doc/config.debug) (y/n) [n]: Configuration successful. Files linux-wlan installs: From erqu0001 at d.umn.edu Fri Oct 3 03:57:13 2003 From: erqu0001 at d.umn.edu (Santiago Erquicia) Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2003 22:57:13 -0500 Subject: Gnome-games - Blackjack In-Reply-To: <1065150159.4840.1.camel@blue.comcast.net> References: <1065150159.4840.1.camel@blue.comcast.net> Message-ID: <1065153433.3859.0.camel@argentina> Doesn't work here too On Thu, 2003-10-02 at 22:02, Clifford Snow wrote: > I just installed the updates to beta 2 - blackjack, in gnome-games, > doesn't run. Is anyone else experiencing this problem? I'll submit a > bug if so. > > Thanks, > Clifford > glass-art at comcast.net > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From paul.morgan at jumanjihouse.com Fri Oct 3 03:59:28 2003 From: paul.morgan at jumanjihouse.com (Paul Morgan) Date: 02 Oct 2003 22:59:28 -0500 Subject: numlock at boot In-Reply-To: <3F7C782F.5F006FCA@gmx.de> References: <3F7B2DB8.1030808@lqt.ca> <1065040109.11637.221.camel@poincare.devel.redhat.com> <1065051386.3349.13.camel@vaio.jumanjihouse.com> <1065055547.21226.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> <3F7C782F.5F006FCA@gmx.de> Message-ID: <1065153568.5503.35.camel@vaio.jumanjihouse.com> On Thu, 2003-10-02 at 14:10, Martin Stricker wrote: > I consider Paul Morgan's proposal as being The Right Way To Do It(TM). > ;-))) This should be bugzilla'ed as RFE! And if you look in the file > manager of your choice, you'll find a directory /etc/sysconfig with some > really useful files in all more recent versions of Red Hat Linux. Thanks for the comments. I've implemented my suggestion, and it works "mostly". More specifically, it works for the logon greeter, for xterms and tty's, and when su'ing from one user to another or from one user to root. It only doesn't work when su'ing from root to a regular user. It's a crude first effort that needs improving, but here goes: in /etc/sysconfig/keyboard add an optional line NUMLOCK=on|off|bios at logon, su, etc, the system will read ~/.keyboard and override the global /etc/sysconfig/keyboard value if different. This allows the user to specify their own preference. Here are the changes: compile numlockx and put it in /usr/bin/ cat > /etc/profile.d/keyboard.sh << EOF # set numlock according to user pref function set_numlock { /usr/bin/tty | /bin/grep -q /dev/tty if [ $? -eq 0 ]; then if [ $1 = "on" ]; then /usr/bin/setleds +num else /usr/bin/setleds -num fi else /usr/bin/numlockx $1 > /dev/null 2>&1 fi } . /etc/sysconfig/keyboard test -f ~/.keyboard && . ~/.keyboard case ${NUMLOCK} in "on" ) set_numlock on ;; "bios" ) # implement later set_numlock off ;; * ) set_numlock off ;; esac EOF I started to port the bash script to csh/tcsh but need to research how to efficiently source the variables, so I'll look at that part later. There needs to be a keyboard.csh version for csh users. It doesn't apply to bash users. Now vi /etc/X11/xdm/Xsetup_0 and add a line immediately below this one: /usr/X11R6/bin/xsetroot -solid "#5477A0" . /etc/profile.d/keyboard.sh Xsetup_0 is called to set up the logon greeter, so the numlock setting will apply here, too. Next add the following lines to /etc/rc.sysinit right below the loadkeys section but before #set the hostname: # set numlock function set_numlock { TTY=`grep mingetty /etc/inittab | cut -d: -f1` for tty in $TTY; do if [ $1 == "on" ]; then setleds -D +num < /dev/tty${tty} else setleds -D -num < /dev/tty${tty} fi done } case ${NUMLOCK} in "on" ) set_numlock on ;; "bios" ) # implement later set_numlock off ;; * ) set_numlock off ;; esac This part handles the virtual consoles. Note that I don't have a clue how to read the bios settings, so somebody is welcome to fill in the "implement later" portion. For now it's the same as "off". I thought about adding a "last" option, but it looks more involved than it's worth at the moment. The tty's and X would have to trap the key events and save to a dot file. Hope this helps. -paul From andre at bwh.harvard.edu Fri Oct 3 04:05:55 2003 From: andre at bwh.harvard.edu (Andre Robatino) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 00:05:55 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Gnome-games - Blackjack In-Reply-To: <1065150159.4840.1.camel@blue.comcast.net> from "Clifford Snow" at Oct 02, 2003 08:02:39 PM Message-ID: <200310030405.h9345tK24707@garfield.bwh.harvard.edu> > I just installed the updates to beta 2 - blackjack, in gnome-games, > doesn't run. Is anyone else experiencing this problem? I'll submit a > bug if so. > > Thanks, > Clifford > glass-art at comcast.net Yes, I notice that it tries to start up but then dies. Also, KSirtet and KFoulEggs don't start (I just tried a few at random - a large fraction of the games probably don't work). This is probably related to the same bug that prevents Mozilla and Konqueror from working for me, since everything seems to have broken at once. Feel free to file a bug report if your browser still works. From cochranb at speakeasy.net Fri Oct 3 04:08:15 2003 From: cochranb at speakeasy.net (Robert L Cochran) Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2003 00:08:15 -0400 Subject: Linux-wlan install breaks Fedora test2 pcmcia In-Reply-To: <32810.216.254.115.235.1065153343.squirrel@www.insue.com> References: <20031003024202.11646.33071.Mailman@listman.back-rdu.redhat.com> <32810.216.254.115.235.1065153343.squirrel@www.insue.com> Message-ID: <3F7CF62F.3020806@speakeasy.net> You might want to run an up2date session because there are several dozen packages waiting for up2date, including a new kernel, kernel source, initscripts...all of these will be of interest to you. You have to subscribe to the 'Severn Beta 2 (i386) Updates' channel of RHN (see earlier email by Gerry Tool on how to do this.) Actually I'm groaning a bit because there is a new kernel, and I especially recompiled the original kernel for the Intersil 54g cardbus driver being developed by Luis Rodriguez' group at Rutgers. I'll see if the recompiled original kernel + the new driver + the new SMC wireless card play well together and get me connected to the internet. Bob fedora-test-list wrote: > After installing linux-wlan on Fedora test2 (Vaio R505TS ACPI Laptop), > pcmcia breaks with the following upon startup: > > [root at localhost linux-wlan-ng-0.2.1-pre12]# /etc/init.d/pcmcia start > Starting PCMCIA services: modulesmodprobe: Can't locate module pcmcia_core.o > modprobe: Can't locate module yenta_socket.o > modprobe: Can't locate module ds.o > cardmgr. > > In /var/log/messages: > Oct 2 23:35:42 localhost cardmgr[8783]: starting, version is 3.1.31 > Oct 2 23:35:42 localhost cardmgr[8783]: no pcmcia driver in /proc/devices > Oct 2 23:35:42 localhost cardmgr[8783]: exiting > > I am using pre12 in this example but I have tried other versions of the > linux-wlan code and the result of breaking pcmcia has been the same. Any > help would be appreciated as to how to get the driver working, or how to > get my old pcmcia working. Re-ran depmod -a. Also rebooted. To compile > linux-wlan drivers, they require that you have the pcmcia source on the > system and configured, I downloaded 3.1.22 and threw it in /usr/src/ and > ran make config on it. > > Kernel Params: > acpi=on nogui (also tried with pci=biosirq) > > $ uname -a > Linux localhost.localdomain 2.4.22-1.2061.nptl #1 Mon Sep 22 14:39:36 EDT > 2003 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux > > > Starting pcmcia: (Before linux-wlan install) > Oct 2 23:22:10 localhost kernel: Linux Kernel Card Services 3.1.22 > Oct 2 23:22:10 localhost kernel: options: [pci] [cardbus] [pm] > Oct 2 23:22:10 localhost kernel: Yenta IRQ list 0cb8, PCI irq9 > Oct 2 23:22:10 localhost kernel: Socket status: 30000410 > > > Linux-wlan ./Configure: > linux-wlan-ng-0.2.1-pre12]# ./Configure > > -------------- Linux WLAN Configuration Script ------------- > The default responses are correct for most users. > > Build Prism2.x PCMCIA Card Services (_cs) driver? (y/n) [y]: > Build Prism2 PLX9052 based PCI (_plx) adapter driver? (y/n) [n]: > Build Prism2.5 native PCI (_pci) driver? (y/n) [n]: > Build Prism2.5 USB (_usb) driver? (y/n) [n]: > Linux source directory [/usr/src/linux]: > The kernel source tree is version 2.4.22-1.2061.nptl. > The current kernel build date is Mon Sep 22 14:39:36 2003. > Alternate target install root directory on host []: > PCMCIA script directory [/etc/pcmcia]: > Module install directory [/lib/modules/2.4.22-1.2061.nptl]: > It looks like you have a System V init file setup. > Prefix for build host compiler? (rarely needed) []: > Build for debugging (see doc/config.debug) (y/n) [n]: > Configuration successful. > > > Files linux-wlan installs: > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > -- Bob Cochran Greenbelt, Maryland, USA http://greenbeltcomputer.biz/ From andre at bwh.harvard.edu Fri Oct 3 04:13:49 2003 From: andre at bwh.harvard.edu (Andre Robatino) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 00:13:49 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Gnome-games - Blackjack In-Reply-To: <200310030405.h9345tK24707@garfield.bwh.harvard.edu> from "Andre Robatino" at Oct 03, 2003 12:05:55 AM Message-ID: <200310030413.h934Dnq24751@garfield.bwh.harvard.edu> > > I just installed the updates to beta 2 - blackjack, in gnome-games, > > doesn't run. Is anyone else experiencing this problem? I'll submit a > > bug if so. > > > > Thanks, > > Clifford > > glass-art at comcast.net > > Yes, I notice that it tries to start up but then dies. Also, KSirtet > and KFoulEggs don't start (I just tried a few at random - a large fraction > of the games probably don't work). This is probably related to the same > bug that prevents Mozilla and Konqueror from working for me, since > everything seems to have broken at once. Feel free to file a bug report if > your browser still works. I just noticed that although the games appeared to die, in fact the processes are running and sucking up CPU, as shown by top. From daniel-wittenberg at starken.com Fri Oct 3 04:18:38 2003 From: daniel-wittenberg at starken.com (Daniel Wittenberg) Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2003 23:18:38 -0500 Subject: update delay Message-ID: <1065154717.29883.1.camel@hawk.wittenberg.org> So how long does it generally take for the new rpm's to make it to the apt mirrors? I'd like to stick with apt-get instead of up2date if possible, but I don't see many updates getting pushed there. I've only been checking for a couple days, so maybe just bad timing. Any ideas? Dan -- ============================= Daniel Wittenberg RHCE+AS/IBM Certified Specialist President/CTO The Starken Group http://www.starken.com From fedora-test-list at hourfollowshour.org Fri Oct 3 04:25:04 2003 From: fedora-test-list at hourfollowshour.org (fedora-test-list) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 00:25:04 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Linux-wlan install breaks Fedora test2 pcmcia In-Reply-To: <3F7CF62F.3020806@speakeasy.net> References: <20031003024202.11646.33071.Mailman@listman.back-rdu.redhat.com> <32810.216.254.115.235.1065153343.squirrel@www.insue.com> <3F7CF62F.3020806@speakeasy.net> Message-ID: <32874.216.254.115.235.1065155104.squirrel@www.insue.com> Bob, Ran up2date, but it tells me nothing is available. I have read Gerry's message and I think I have it running right. I am subscribed to "Severn Beta 2 (i386): "Your system if fully updated. No new packages needed" But: $ uname -a Linux localhost.localdomain 2.4.22-1.2061.nptl #1 Mon Sep 22 14:39:36 EDT 2003 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux Any ideas? Thanks ... Louis > You might want to run an up2date session because there are several dozen > > packages waiting for up2date, including a new kernel, kernel source, > initscripts...all of these will be of interest to you. You have to > subscribe to the 'Severn Beta 2 (i386) Updates' channel of RHN (see > earlier email by Gerry Tool on how to do this.) > > Actually I'm groaning a bit because there is a new kernel, and I > especially recompiled the original kernel for the Intersil 54g cardbus > driver being developed by Luis Rodriguez' group at Rutgers. I'll see if > the recompiled original kernel + the new driver + the new SMC wireless > card play well together and get me connected to the internet. > > Bob > > > fedora-test-list wrote: > >> After installing linux-wlan on Fedora test2 (Vaio R505TS ACPI Laptop), >> pcmcia breaks with the following upon startup: >> >> [root at localhost linux-wlan-ng-0.2.1-pre12]# /etc/init.d/pcmcia start >> Starting PCMCIA services: modulesmodprobe: Can't locate module >> pcmcia_core.o modprobe: Can't locate module yenta_socket.o >> modprobe: Can't locate module ds.o >> cardmgr. >> >> In /var/log/messages: >> Oct 2 23:35:42 localhost cardmgr[8783]: starting, version is 3.1.31 >> Oct 2 23:35:42 localhost cardmgr[8783]: no pcmcia driver in >> /proc/devices Oct 2 23:35:42 localhost cardmgr[8783]: exiting >> >> I am using pre12 in this example but I have tried other versions of >> the linux-wlan code and the result of breaking pcmcia has been the >> same. Any help would be appreciated as to how to get the driver >> working, or how to get my old pcmcia working. Re-ran depmod -a. Also >> rebooted. To compile linux-wlan drivers, they require that you have >> the pcmcia source on the system and configured, I downloaded 3.1.22 >> and threw it in /usr/src/ and ran make config on it. >> >> Kernel Params: >> acpi=on nogui (also tried with pci=biosirq) >> >> $ uname -a >> Linux localhost.localdomain 2.4.22-1.2061.nptl #1 Mon Sep 22 14:39:36 >> EDT 2003 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux >> >> >> Starting pcmcia: (Before linux-wlan install) >> Oct 2 23:22:10 localhost kernel: Linux Kernel Card Services 3.1.22 >> Oct 2 23:22:10 localhost kernel: options: [pci] [cardbus] [pm] Oct >> 2 23:22:10 localhost kernel: Yenta IRQ list 0cb8, PCI irq9 >> Oct 2 23:22:10 localhost kernel: Socket status: 30000410 >> >> >> Linux-wlan ./Configure: >> linux-wlan-ng-0.2.1-pre12]# ./Configure >> >> -------------- Linux WLAN Configuration Script ------------- >> The default responses are correct for most users. >> >> Build Prism2.x PCMCIA Card Services (_cs) driver? (y/n) [y]: >> Build Prism2 PLX9052 based PCI (_plx) adapter driver? (y/n) [n]: Build >> Prism2.5 native PCI (_pci) driver? (y/n) [n]: >> Build Prism2.5 USB (_usb) driver? (y/n) [n]: >> Linux source directory [/usr/src/linux]: >> The kernel source tree is version 2.4.22-1.2061.nptl. >> The current kernel build date is Mon Sep 22 14:39:36 2003. >> Alternate target install root directory on host []: >> PCMCIA script directory [/etc/pcmcia]: >> Module install directory [/lib/modules/2.4.22-1.2061.nptl]: >> It looks like you have a System V init file setup. >> Prefix for build host compiler? (rarely needed) []: >> Build for debugging (see doc/config.debug) (y/n) [n]: >> Configuration successful. >> >> >> Files linux-wlan installs: >> -- >> fedora-test-list mailing list >> fedora-test-list at redhat.com >> http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list >> >> > > -- > Bob Cochran > Greenbelt, Maryland, USA > http://greenbeltcomputer.biz/ From cochranb at speakeasy.net Fri Oct 3 04:31:38 2003 From: cochranb at speakeasy.net (Robert L Cochran) Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2003 00:31:38 -0400 Subject: Linux-wlan install breaks Fedora test2 pcmcia In-Reply-To: <32874.216.254.115.235.1065155104.squirrel@www.insue.com> References: <20031003024202.11646.33071.Mailman@listman.back-rdu.redhat.com> <32810.216.254.115.235.1065153343.squirrel@www.insue.com> <3F7CF62F.3020806@speakeasy.net> <32874.216.254.115.235.1065155104.squirrel@www.insue.com> Message-ID: <3F7CFBAA.9090009@speakeasy.net> You need to follow Gerry's email again, making sure that check mark mentioned below is really there: "Log onto Red Hat Network. Select the Systems Tab. Select your Severn system. Click on Alter Channel Subscriptions. Place a check by Severn Beta 2 (i386) Updates. Click on Change Subscriptions. The next time you run up2date from the panel applet, it will have this channel available." My system is applying dozens of updates now, including a kernel version newer than yours. Bob fedora-test-list wrote: > Bob, > > Ran up2date, but it tells me nothing is available. I have read Gerry's > message and I think I have it running right. I am subscribed to "Severn > Beta 2 (i386): > > "Your system if fully updated. No new packages needed" > > But: > $ uname -a > Linux localhost.localdomain 2.4.22-1.2061.nptl #1 Mon Sep 22 14:39:36 EDT > 2003 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux > > Any ideas? Thanks ... > > Louis > > > >>You might want to run an up2date session because there are several dozen >> >> packages waiting for up2date, including a new kernel, kernel source, >>initscripts...all of these will be of interest to you. You have to >>subscribe to the 'Severn Beta 2 (i386) Updates' channel of RHN (see >>earlier email by Gerry Tool on how to do this.) >> >>Actually I'm groaning a bit because there is a new kernel, and I >>especially recompiled the original kernel for the Intersil 54g cardbus >>driver being developed by Luis Rodriguez' group at Rutgers. I'll see if >>the recompiled original kernel + the new driver + the new SMC wireless >>card play well together and get me connected to the internet. >> >>Bob >> >> >>fedora-test-list wrote: >> >> >>>After installing linux-wlan on Fedora test2 (Vaio R505TS ACPI Laptop), >>>pcmcia breaks with the following upon startup: >>> >>>[root at localhost linux-wlan-ng-0.2.1-pre12]# /etc/init.d/pcmcia start >>>Starting PCMCIA services: modulesmodprobe: Can't locate module >>>pcmcia_core.o modprobe: Can't locate module yenta_socket.o >>>modprobe: Can't locate module ds.o >>> cardmgr. >>> >>>In /var/log/messages: >>>Oct 2 23:35:42 localhost cardmgr[8783]: starting, version is 3.1.31 >>>Oct 2 23:35:42 localhost cardmgr[8783]: no pcmcia driver in >>>/proc/devices Oct 2 23:35:42 localhost cardmgr[8783]: exiting >>> >>>I am using pre12 in this example but I have tried other versions of >>>the linux-wlan code and the result of breaking pcmcia has been the >>>same. Any help would be appreciated as to how to get the driver >>>working, or how to get my old pcmcia working. Re-ran depmod -a. Also >>>rebooted. To compile linux-wlan drivers, they require that you have >>>the pcmcia source on the system and configured, I downloaded 3.1.22 >>>and threw it in /usr/src/ and ran make config on it. >>> >>>Kernel Params: >>>acpi=on nogui (also tried with pci=biosirq) >>> >>>$ uname -a >>>Linux localhost.localdomain 2.4.22-1.2061.nptl #1 Mon Sep 22 14:39:36 >>>EDT 2003 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux >>> >>> >>>Starting pcmcia: (Before linux-wlan install) >>>Oct 2 23:22:10 localhost kernel: Linux Kernel Card Services 3.1.22 >>>Oct 2 23:22:10 localhost kernel: options: [pci] [cardbus] [pm] Oct >>> 2 23:22:10 localhost kernel: Yenta IRQ list 0cb8, PCI irq9 >>>Oct 2 23:22:10 localhost kernel: Socket status: 30000410 >>> >>> >>>Linux-wlan ./Configure: >>>linux-wlan-ng-0.2.1-pre12]# ./Configure >>> >>>-------------- Linux WLAN Configuration Script ------------- >>>The default responses are correct for most users. >>> >>>Build Prism2.x PCMCIA Card Services (_cs) driver? (y/n) [y]: >>>Build Prism2 PLX9052 based PCI (_plx) adapter driver? (y/n) [n]: Build >>>Prism2.5 native PCI (_pci) driver? (y/n) [n]: >>>Build Prism2.5 USB (_usb) driver? (y/n) [n]: >>>Linux source directory [/usr/src/linux]: >>>The kernel source tree is version 2.4.22-1.2061.nptl. >>>The current kernel build date is Mon Sep 22 14:39:36 2003. >>>Alternate target install root directory on host []: >>>PCMCIA script directory [/etc/pcmcia]: >>> Module install directory [/lib/modules/2.4.22-1.2061.nptl]: >>>It looks like you have a System V init file setup. >>>Prefix for build host compiler? (rarely needed) []: >>>Build for debugging (see doc/config.debug) (y/n) [n]: >>>Configuration successful. >>> >>> >>>Files linux-wlan installs: >>>-- >>>fedora-test-list mailing list >>>fedora-test-list at redhat.com >>>http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list >>> >>> >> >>-- >>Bob Cochran >>Greenbelt, Maryland, USA >>http://greenbeltcomputer.biz/ > > > > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > -- Bob Cochran Greenbelt, Maryland, USA http://greenbeltcomputer.biz/ From cochranb at speakeasy.net Fri Oct 3 04:35:20 2003 From: cochranb at speakeasy.net (Robert L Cochran) Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2003 00:35:20 -0400 Subject: Linux-wlan install breaks Fedora test2 pcmcia In-Reply-To: <3F7CFBAA.9090009@speakeasy.net> References: <20031003024202.11646.33071.Mailman@listman.back-rdu.redhat.com> <32810.216.254.115.235.1065153343.squirrel@www.insue.com> <3F7CF62F.3020806@speakeasy.net> <32874.216.254.115.235.1065155104.squirrel@www.insue.com> <3F7CFBAA.9090009@speakeasy.net> Message-ID: <3F7CFC88.2090206@speakeasy.net> Also -- I live dangerously...in the existing version of up2date, I turned off GPG verification because of the problem Michael Schwendt and others noted: the GPG key in the packages is bad. Hopefully I can turn GPG back on with the next update. Bob Robert L Cochran wrote: > You need to follow Gerry's email again, making sure that check mark > mentioned below is really there: > > > "Log onto Red Hat Network. > > Select the Systems Tab. > > Select your Severn system. > > Click on Alter Channel Subscriptions. > > Place a check by Severn Beta 2 (i386) Updates. > > Click on Change Subscriptions. > > The next time you run up2date from the panel applet, it will have this > channel available." > > > > My system is applying dozens of updates now, including a kernel version > newer than yours. > > Bob > > > > fedora-test-list wrote: > >> Bob, >> >> Ran up2date, but it tells me nothing is available. I have read Gerry's >> message and I think I have it running right. I am subscribed to "Severn >> Beta 2 (i386): >> >> "Your system if fully updated. No new packages needed" >> >> But: >> $ uname -a >> Linux localhost.localdomain 2.4.22-1.2061.nptl #1 Mon Sep 22 14:39:36 EDT >> 2003 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux >> >> Any ideas? Thanks ... >> >> Louis >> >> >> >>> You might want to run an up2date session because there are several dozen >>> >>> packages waiting for up2date, including a new kernel, kernel source, >>> initscripts...all of these will be of interest to you. You have to >>> subscribe to the 'Severn Beta 2 (i386) Updates' channel of RHN (see >>> earlier email by Gerry Tool on how to do this.) >>> >>> Actually I'm groaning a bit because there is a new kernel, and I >>> especially recompiled the original kernel for the Intersil 54g cardbus >>> driver being developed by Luis Rodriguez' group at Rutgers. I'll see if >>> the recompiled original kernel + the new driver + the new SMC wireless >>> card play well together and get me connected to the internet. >>> >>> Bob >>> >>> >>> fedora-test-list wrote: >>> >>> >>>> After installing linux-wlan on Fedora test2 (Vaio R505TS ACPI Laptop), >>>> pcmcia breaks with the following upon startup: >>>> >>>> [root at localhost linux-wlan-ng-0.2.1-pre12]# /etc/init.d/pcmcia start >>>> Starting PCMCIA services: modulesmodprobe: Can't locate module >>>> pcmcia_core.o modprobe: Can't locate module yenta_socket.o >>>> modprobe: Can't locate module ds.o >>>> cardmgr. >>>> >>>> In /var/log/messages: >>>> Oct 2 23:35:42 localhost cardmgr[8783]: starting, version is 3.1.31 >>>> Oct 2 23:35:42 localhost cardmgr[8783]: no pcmcia driver in >>>> /proc/devices Oct 2 23:35:42 localhost cardmgr[8783]: exiting >>>> >>>> I am using pre12 in this example but I have tried other versions of >>>> the linux-wlan code and the result of breaking pcmcia has been the >>>> same. Any help would be appreciated as to how to get the driver >>>> working, or how to get my old pcmcia working. Re-ran depmod -a. Also >>>> rebooted. To compile linux-wlan drivers, they require that you have >>>> the pcmcia source on the system and configured, I downloaded 3.1.22 >>>> and threw it in /usr/src/ and ran make config on it. >>>> >>>> Kernel Params: >>>> acpi=on nogui (also tried with pci=biosirq) >>>> >>>> $ uname -a >>>> Linux localhost.localdomain 2.4.22-1.2061.nptl #1 Mon Sep 22 14:39:36 >>>> EDT 2003 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux >>>> >>>> >>>> Starting pcmcia: (Before linux-wlan install) >>>> Oct 2 23:22:10 localhost kernel: Linux Kernel Card Services 3.1.22 >>>> Oct 2 23:22:10 localhost kernel: options: [pci] [cardbus] [pm] Oct >>>> 2 23:22:10 localhost kernel: Yenta IRQ list 0cb8, PCI irq9 >>>> Oct 2 23:22:10 localhost kernel: Socket status: 30000410 >>>> >>>> >>>> Linux-wlan ./Configure: >>>> linux-wlan-ng-0.2.1-pre12]# ./Configure >>>> >>>> -------------- Linux WLAN Configuration Script ------------- >>>> The default responses are correct for most users. >>>> >>>> Build Prism2.x PCMCIA Card Services (_cs) driver? (y/n) [y]: >>>> Build Prism2 PLX9052 based PCI (_plx) adapter driver? (y/n) [n]: Build >>>> Prism2.5 native PCI (_pci) driver? (y/n) [n]: >>>> Build Prism2.5 USB (_usb) driver? (y/n) [n]: >>>> Linux source directory [/usr/src/linux]: >>>> The kernel source tree is version 2.4.22-1.2061.nptl. >>>> The current kernel build date is Mon Sep 22 14:39:36 2003. >>>> Alternate target install root directory on host []: >>>> PCMCIA script directory [/etc/pcmcia]: >>>> Module install directory [/lib/modules/2.4.22-1.2061.nptl]: >>>> It looks like you have a System V init file setup. >>>> Prefix for build host compiler? (rarely needed) []: >>>> Build for debugging (see doc/config.debug) (y/n) [n]: >>>> Configuration successful. >>>> >>>> >>>> Files linux-wlan installs: >>>> -- >>>> fedora-test-list mailing list >>>> fedora-test-list at redhat.com >>>> http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list >>>> >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> Bob Cochran >>> Greenbelt, Maryland, USA >>> http://greenbeltcomputer.biz/ >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> fedora-test-list mailing list >> fedora-test-list at redhat.com >> http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list >> >> > -- Bob Cochran Greenbelt, Maryland, USA http://greenbeltcomputer.biz/ From mutk at iprimus.com.au Fri Oct 3 04:35:40 2003 From: mutk at iprimus.com.au (Michael Kearey) Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2003 14:35:40 +1000 Subject: Linux-wlan install breaks Fedora test2 pcmcia In-Reply-To: <32874.216.254.115.235.1065155104.squirrel@www.insue.com> References: <20031003024202.11646.33071.Mailman@listman.back-rdu.redhat.com> <32810.216.254.115.235.1065153343.squirrel@www.insue.com> <3F7CF62F.3020806@speakeasy.net> <32874.216.254.115.235.1065155104.squirrel@www.insue.com> Message-ID: <3F7CFC9C.1010703@iprimus.com.au> fedora-test-list wrote: > Bob, > > Ran up2date, but it tells me nothing is available. I have read Gerry's > message and I think I have it running right. I am subscribed to "Severn > Beta 2 (i386): > > "Your system if fully updated. No new packages needed" > > But: > $ uname -a > Linux localhost.localdomain 2.4.22-1.2061.nptl #1 Mon Sep 22 14:39:36 EDT > 2003 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux > > Any ideas? Thanks ... I get that too. I have original Beta2 kernel installed, and bet2 channel for up2date shows no new packages. Perhaps Robert means Rawhide?? Cheers, Michael From mutk at iprimus.com.au Fri Oct 3 04:39:27 2003 From: mutk at iprimus.com.au (Michael Kearey) Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2003 14:39:27 +1000 Subject: Linux-wlan install breaks Fedora test2 pcmcia In-Reply-To: <3F7CFC88.2090206@speakeasy.net> References: <20031003024202.11646.33071.Mailman@listman.back-rdu.redhat.com> <32810.216.254.115.235.1065153343.squirrel@www.insue.com> <3F7CF62F.3020806@speakeasy.net> <32874.216.254.115.235.1065155104.squirrel@www.insue.com> <3F7CFBAA.9090009@speakeasy.net> <3F7CFC88.2090206@speakeasy.net> Message-ID: <3F7CFD7F.7090006@iprimus.com.au> Robert L Cochran wrote: > Also -- I live dangerously...in the existing version of up2date, I > turned off GPG verification because of the problem Michael Schwendt and > others noted: the GPG key in the packages is bad. Hopefully I can turn > GPG back on with the next update. > > Bob > > Robert L Cochran wrote: > >> You need to follow Gerry's email again, making sure that check mark >> mentioned below is really there: I see that now. It's rather odd to have this requirement.. Thanks for the guidance, Cheers, Michael From cochranb at speakeasy.net Fri Oct 3 04:44:48 2003 From: cochranb at speakeasy.net (Robert L Cochran) Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2003 00:44:48 -0400 Subject: Linux-wlan install breaks Fedora test2 pcmcia In-Reply-To: <3F7CFC9C.1010703@iprimus.com.au> References: <20031003024202.11646.33071.Mailman@listman.back-rdu.redhat.com> <32810.216.254.115.235.1065153343.squirrel@www.insue.com> <3F7CF62F.3020806@speakeasy.net> <32874.216.254.115.235.1065155104.squirrel@www.insue.com> <3F7CFC9C.1010703@iprimus.com.au> Message-ID: <3F7CFEC0.9020703@speakeasy.net> No, I mean RHN. There is an update channel available -- others have been updating from it too. Looks like I've just installed 121 new packages. This is on an older PIII system. Hopefully I can reboot into the new kernel soon and then go to bed. Bob Michael Kearey wrote: > fedora-test-list wrote: > >> Bob, >> >> Ran up2date, but it tells me nothing is available. I have read Gerry's >> message and I think I have it running right. I am subscribed to "Severn >> Beta 2 (i386): >> >> "Your system if fully updated. No new packages needed" >> >> But: >> $ uname -a >> Linux localhost.localdomain 2.4.22-1.2061.nptl #1 Mon Sep 22 14:39:36 EDT >> 2003 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux >> >> Any ideas? Thanks ... > > > I get that too. I have original Beta2 kernel installed, and bet2 channel > for up2date shows no new packages. > > Perhaps Robert means Rawhide?? > > Cheers, > Michael > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > -- Bob Cochran Greenbelt, Maryland, USA http://greenbeltcomputer.biz/ From cochranb at speakeasy.net Fri Oct 3 04:50:15 2003 From: cochranb at speakeasy.net (Robert L Cochran) Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2003 00:50:15 -0400 Subject: Linux-wlan install breaks Fedora test2 pcmcia In-Reply-To: <3F7CFD7F.7090006@iprimus.com.au> References: <20031003024202.11646.33071.Mailman@listman.back-rdu.redhat.com> <32810.216.254.115.235.1065153343.squirrel@www.insue.com> <3F7CF62F.3020806@speakeasy.net> <32874.216.254.115.235.1065155104.squirrel@www.insue.com> <3F7CFBAA.9090009@speakeasy.net> <3F7CFC88.2090206@speakeasy.net> <3F7CFD7F.7090006@iprimus.com.au> Message-ID: <3F7D0007.1080602@speakeasy.net> Sure thing. good luck getting your updates. I have to bless my wife for letting me get DSL...I needed it for this one! Bob Michael Kearey wrote: > Robert L Cochran wrote: > >> Also -- I live dangerously...in the existing version of up2date, I >> turned off GPG verification because of the problem Michael Schwendt >> and others noted: the GPG key in the packages is bad. Hopefully I can >> turn GPG back on with the next update. >> >> Bob >> >> Robert L Cochran wrote: >> >>> You need to follow Gerry's email again, making sure that check mark >>> mentioned below is really there: > > > I see that now. It's rather odd to have this requirement.. > > Thanks for the guidance, > Cheers, > Michael > > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > -- Bob Cochran Greenbelt, Maryland, USA http://greenbeltcomputer.biz/ From fedora-test-list at hourfollowshour.org Fri Oct 3 04:55:52 2003 From: fedora-test-list at hourfollowshour.org (fedora-test-list) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 00:55:52 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Linux-wlan install breaks Fedora test2 pcmcia In-Reply-To: <3F7CFEC0.9020703@speakeasy.net> References: <20031003024202.11646.33071.Mailman@listman.back-rdu.redhat.com> <32810.216.254.115.235.1065153343.squirrel@www.insue.com> <3F7CF62F.3020806@speakeasy.net> <32874.216.254.115.235.1065155104.squirrel@www.insue.com> <3F7CFC9C.1010703@iprimus.com.au> <3F7CFEC0.9020703@speakeasy.net> Message-ID: <32942.216.254.115.235.1065156952.squirrel@www.insue.com> Got it, thanks. My first time using RHN so I was looking for these things in the up2date gui app! I see them on the website now (rhn.redhat.com). Will install all these goodies and see if I get any linux-wlan / pcmcia love. Louis > No, I mean RHN. There is an update channel available -- others have been > updating from it too. Looks like I've just installed 121 new packages. > This is on an older PIII system. > > Hopefully I can reboot into the new kernel soon and then go to bed. > > Bob > From cochranb at speakeasy.net Fri Oct 3 05:03:54 2003 From: cochranb at speakeasy.net (Robert L Cochran) Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2003 01:03:54 -0400 Subject: Linux-wlan install breaks Fedora test2 pcmcia In-Reply-To: <32942.216.254.115.235.1065156952.squirrel@www.insue.com> References: <20031003024202.11646.33071.Mailman@listman.back-rdu.redhat.com> <32810.216.254.115.235.1065153343.squirrel@www.insue.com> <3F7CF62F.3020806@speakeasy.net> <32874.216.254.115.235.1065155104.squirrel@www.insue.com> <3F7CFC9C.1010703@iprimus.com.au> <3F7CFEC0.9020703@speakeasy.net> <32942.216.254.115.235.1065156952.squirrel@www.insue.com> Message-ID: <3F7D033A.1090702@speakeasy.net> Good luck! I have a long history of complaining about how uselessly complicated RHN is. This is still a real problem. But after spending time installing FreeBSD and Debian, I have to admit that Fedora and RHN are still the class act of Linux distros: nobody does it better. That doesn't mean RHN can't improve, though. It needs improvement in aircraft carrier tonnage amounts. Bob fedora-test-list wrote: > Got it, thanks. My first time using RHN so I was looking for these things > in the up2date gui app! I see them on the website now (rhn.redhat.com). > Will install all these goodies and see if I get any linux-wlan / pcmcia > love. > > Louis > > >>No, I mean RHN. There is an update channel available -- others have been >> updating from it too. Looks like I've just installed 121 new packages. >>This is on an older PIII system. >> >>Hopefully I can reboot into the new kernel soon and then go to bed. >> >>Bob >> > > > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > -- Bob Cochran Greenbelt, Maryland, USA http://greenbeltcomputer.biz/ From stephen at skmoore.com Fri Oct 3 07:00:05 2003 From: stephen at skmoore.com (Stephen Moore) Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2003 17:00:05 +1000 Subject: INTEL SE 7505 VB2 won't boot In-Reply-To: <20031002122807.GE19704@redhat.com> References: <20031002122807.GE19704@redhat.com> Message-ID: <3F7D1E75.6010809@skmoore.com> The latest kernel fixxed all issues :-) Dave Jones wrote: >On Thu, Oct 02, 2003 at 03:02:52PM +1000, Stephen Moore wrote: > > I have a dual xeon computer with a intel 7505 motherboard that wont boot > > with fedora test 2. I was running RH9 with a custom kernel (to speed up > > sata) and am still running on this kernel 2.4.22 + fedora test 2. > > > > I boot from a pata drive > > /home is a raid 5 array > > > > Test 2 fails after the start of the md startup ( 4 X SATA disks) and by > > itself gives a kernel opps in raid5sync > >SMP ? If so try the UP kernel, then grab the update from rawhide. >Otherwise, the oops output will be useful. > > > Where do I go to from here? > >http://bugzilla.redhat.com > > Dave > > > -- ??? From pmatilai at welho.com Fri Oct 3 07:48:40 2003 From: pmatilai at welho.com (Panu Matilainen) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 10:48:40 +0300 Subject: compiling wine on fedora core 0.94 In-Reply-To: <1065113041.7781.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1065029260.17657.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1065029606.3927.19.camel@chip.ath.cx> <1065029842.17657.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1065113041.7781.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1065167320.3f7d29d8e0b55@webmail.welho.com> Quoting traxtopel : > > On Thu, 2003-10-02 at 13:44, ne... wrote: > > . > > That is the problem. Kerberos includes are in /usr/kerberos/include. > > How can u say that is the problem, wine detects and uses it. Except that on FC 0.94 the kerberos includes aren't in that location anymore, they're under /usr/include now. www.fedora.us will have binaries for FC 0.94 once I sort that problem out, in the meanwhile the RHL 9 binary (just published there) seems to run just fine on 0.94 as well. -- - Panu - From alexl at redhat.com Fri Oct 3 08:29:25 2003 From: alexl at redhat.com (Alexander Larsson) Date: 03 Oct 2003 10:29:25 +0200 Subject: Fedora Test 2 will not log in to Gnome? In-Reply-To: <3F7C0C01.10607@insight.rr.com> References: <9059DDFC-F38D-11D7-941A-000393C34F68@mac.com> <3F7A28B4.1090504@insight.rr.com> <1064994547.8497.19.camel@localhost.localdomain> <3F7C0C01.10607@insight.rr.com> Message-ID: <1065169764.8497.33.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2003-10-02 at 13:29, Jim Cornette wrote: > The bug was with an: > > EtherLink XL PCI > 3C900B-TPO > 03-0147-000 > REV-A > > bugs 104793 through 104795 contain information regarding the check cable > and avalanche effects for the NIC card. Does this card work if you remove kudzu from the init scripts? =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Alexander Larsson Red Hat, Inc alexl at redhat.com alla at lysator.liu.se He's a one-legged amnesiac cop in drag. She's a foxy streetsmart bounty hunter with only herself to blame. They fight crime! From traxtopel at fastmail.fm Fri Oct 3 09:10:47 2003 From: traxtopel at fastmail.fm (traxtopel) Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2003 11:10:47 +0200 Subject: compiling wine on fedora core 0.94 In-Reply-To: <1065167320.3f7d29d8e0b55@webmail.welho.com> References: <1065029260.17657.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1065029606.3927.19.camel@chip.ath.cx> <1065029842.17657.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1065113041.7781.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1065167320.3f7d29d8e0b55@webmail.welho.com> Message-ID: <1065172247.12224.2.camel@dyn-9-142-20-60.ams.nl.ibm.com> Panu, I got it to compile removing the following rpms krb5-devel-1.3.1-5 openssl-devel-0.9.7a-17 curl-devel-7.10.6-4 It then compiled, still there are issues with the security patched kernel. I need to look into this a little more. On Fri, 2003-10-03 at 09:48, Panu Matilainen wrote: > Quoting traxtopel : > > > > On Thu, 2003-10-02 at 13:44, ne... wrote: > > > . > > > That is the problem. Kerberos includes are in /usr/kerberos/include. > > > > How can u say that is the problem, wine detects and uses it. > > Except that on FC 0.94 the kerberos includes aren't in that location anymore, > they're under /usr/include now. www.fedora.us will have binaries for FC 0.94 > once I sort that problem out, in the meanwhile the RHL 9 binary (just published > there) seems to run just fine on 0.94 as well. -- traxtopel From matthias at rpmforge.net Fri Oct 3 10:00:47 2003 From: matthias at rpmforge.net (Matthias Saou) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 12:00:47 +0200 Subject: First experiences with fedora 0.94 In-Reply-To: <1065127605.30991.5.camel@ana.onshuis> References: <1065127605.30991.5.camel@ana.onshuis> Message-ID: <20031003120047.39cc3527.matthias@rpmforge.net> Thomas Vander Stichele wrote : > a) installer doesn't respect keyboard choice > b) firstboot doesn't respect keyboard choice That's indeed quite a problem, but already reported. Will there be a fix in a newer update image? http://people.redhat.com/~msf/ > c) my fedora splash (the gnome splash screen) was blocking for a very > long time on evolution-alarm-notify I've been having this problem, sort of randomly, with Rawhide for a while now. The splash screen getting stuck for up to a minute or two... at first on all workspaces, but later (updated GNOME packages) only on the first one, so I could actually start working on others until it went away. Talk about a clean workaround! ;-) My current one it to have disabled entirely the splash screen... > d) I have NO MENUS. NO MENUS at all. I have no idea why. Does anyone > know what I can run to recreate them ? I have no idea, sorry. Speaking of menus, I had this in a desktop entry : Categories=Application;AudioVideo;X-Red-Hat-Extra Well, it didn't show up in the menu, but validated fine with the "desktop-file-validate" tool. When I changed to : Categories=Application;AudioVideo;X-Red-Hat-Extra; (note the trailing ";"), it appeared fine again. I don't know which of the GNOME panel or the freedesktop tool is wrong on this one, but at least one obviously is! Matthias -- Clean custom Red Hat Linux rpm packages : http://freshrpms.net/ Fedora Core release 0.94 (Severn) - Linux kernel 2.4.22-20.1.2024.2.36.nptl Load : 0.01 0.17 0.19 From matthias at rpmforge.net Fri Oct 3 10:05:07 2003 From: matthias at rpmforge.net (Matthias Saou) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 12:05:07 +0200 Subject: New extra packages... In-Reply-To: <3F7CAC60.2030408@redhat.com> References: <1064907527.14330.48.camel@wombat.tiptoe.de> <3F7CAC60.2030408@redhat.com> Message-ID: <20031003120507.6b517ec3.matthias@rpmforge.net> Christopher Blizzard wrote : > Nils Philippsen wrote: > > - galeon-1.3.9-3: needed for Mozilla-1.4.1 (if you don't have it, don't > > upgrade), SRPM includes "BuildRequires: nspr-devel" spotted by Michal > > Ambroz > > That shouldn't be required anymore. I fixed the mozilla-devel -> > mozilla-nspr-devel dependency. I see that in 1.4.1, mozilla-nss-devel still doesn't require mozilla-nss though. Is this intentional? AFAIR, when rebuilding the latest gaim to use mozilla's SSL, and requiring both nspr-devel and nss-devel, the build failed because nss wasn't getting pulled as a dependency, thus the lib not found to link against. Matthias -- Clean custom Red Hat Linux rpm packages : http://freshrpms.net/ Fedora Core release 0.94 (Severn) - Linux kernel 2.4.22-20.1.2024.2.36.nptl Load : 0.00 0.05 0.11 From mitr at volny.cz Fri Oct 3 11:07:01 2003 From: mitr at volny.cz (Miloslav Trmac) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 13:07:01 +0200 Subject: numlock at boot In-Reply-To: <1065153568.5503.35.camel@vaio.jumanjihouse.com> References: <3F7B2DB8.1030808@lqt.ca> <1065040109.11637.221.camel@poincare.devel.redhat.com> <1065051386.3349.13.camel@vaio.jumanjihouse.com> <1065055547.21226.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> <3F7C782F.5F006FCA@gmx.de> <1065153568.5503.35.camel@vaio.jumanjihouse.com> Message-ID: <20031003110701.GA5972@popelka.ms.mff.cuni.cz> Hi, On Thu, Oct 02, 2003 at 10:59:28PM -0500, Paul Morgan wrote: > Thanks for the comments. I've implemented my suggestion, and it works > "mostly". More specifically, it works for the logon greeter, for xterms > and tty's, and when su'ing from one user to another or from one user to > root. It only doesn't work when su'ing from root to a regular user. I'm not sure switching num lock on 'su' is a good idea. 1) There is no easy way to switch it back to the original state when you exit the subshell and no reasonable way at all to handle switching between terminal windows (with 'su' to a different user on each terminal). 2) In real life, you only use 'su' if the user physically using the session is the same, so he probably has the same preferences. > Note that I don't have a clue how to read the bios settings, so somebody > is welcome to fill in the "implement later" portion. If I remember correctly, there is no way to get the led settings back from the keyboard, and the BIOS setting storage is also not standardized. Mirek From terraformers at gmx.net Fri Oct 3 11:39:57 2003 From: terraformers at gmx.net (lars) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 13:39:57 +0200 Subject: up2date wish Message-ID: <200310031339.57553.terraformers@gmx.net> any chance to get resizeable text fields in up2date? can hardly read whats updating. thanks! lars From pmatilai at welho.com Fri Oct 3 11:37:52 2003 From: pmatilai at welho.com (Panu Matilainen) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 14:37:52 +0300 Subject: compiling wine on fedora core 0.94 In-Reply-To: <1065172247.12224.2.camel@dyn-9-142-20-60.ams.nl.ibm.com> References: <1065029260.17657.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1065029606.3927.19.camel@chip.ath.cx> <1065029842.17657.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1065113041.7781.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1065167320.3f7d29d8e0b55@webmail.welho.com> <1065172247.12224.2.camel@dyn-9-142-20-60.ams.nl.ibm.com> Message-ID: <1065181072.3f7d5f903bc78@webmail.welho.com> Quoting traxtopel : > Panu, > I got it to compile removing the following rpms > > krb5-devel-1.3.1-5 > openssl-devel-0.9.7a-17 > curl-devel-7.10.6-4 > > It then compiled, still there are issues with the security patched > kernel. I need to look into this a little more. Well, that's not really a solution, just a workaround. But better than nothing of course :) -- - Panu - From sopwith at redhat.com Fri Oct 3 12:08:54 2003 From: sopwith at redhat.com (Elliot Lee) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 08:08:54 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Handling "unsigned" packages Re: Severn test2 updates via RHN In-Reply-To: <3F7CF129.7090507@speakeasy.net> Message-ID: On Thu, 2 Oct 2003, Robert L Cochran wrote: > So what should I do to get this key if I did not do any Severn 1 > updates? I never had the time to really work with it. I see there is a > new version of up2date in the current batch of updates, maybe that will > install the required key? Once you have test2 (0.94) installed, make sure your system is subscribed to the updates subchannel via the web interface. Then run 'up2date fedora-release' to update to fedora-release-0.94-2. Then run 'rpm --import /usr/share/doc/fedora-release-0.94/RPM-GPG-KEY-rawhide' (not 'rpm -Uvh ...' as I originally suggested - sorry about that!). You may also need to do 'rpm --import /usr/share/doc/fedora-release-0.94/RPM-GPG-KEY-beta' - I'm not sure if test2 installs the beta key by default. That should get everything set, -- Elliot Individualists, unite! From operalover_99 at yahoo.com Fri Oct 3 12:11:49 2003 From: operalover_99 at yahoo.com (Michael Smith) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 05:11:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: CDs vs network install Message-ID: <20031003121149.61128.qmail@web11003.mail.yahoo.com> Dear Group, CDs are very usefull for me. I work at a university and have high-speed access at work. I can download a CD in only 5-6 minites, burn the CD, then work with installing later when I have the time. Mike Smith __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From blizzard at redhat.com Fri Oct 3 13:04:55 2003 From: blizzard at redhat.com (Christopher Blizzard) Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2003 09:04:55 -0400 Subject: New extra packages... In-Reply-To: <20031003120507.6b517ec3.matthias@rpmforge.net> References: <1064907527.14330.48.camel@wombat.tiptoe.de> <3F7CAC60.2030408@redhat.com> <20031003120507.6b517ec3.matthias@rpmforge.net> Message-ID: <3F7D73F7.40404@redhat.com> Matthias Saou wrote: > I see that in 1.4.1, mozilla-nss-devel still doesn't require mozilla-nss > though. Is this intentional? AFAIR, when rebuilding the latest gaim to use > mozilla's SSL, and requiring both nspr-devel and nss-devel, the build > failed because nss wasn't getting pulled as a dependency, thus the lib not > found to link against. > > Matthias > No, that's a mistake. I've just fixed that in the package. I noticed that as well when I was rebuilding gaim. --Chris From blizzard at redhat.com Fri Oct 3 13:08:37 2003 From: blizzard at redhat.com (Christopher Blizzard) Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2003 09:08:37 -0400 Subject: today's beta2 updates (Moz-mail) In-Reply-To: <200310030245.h932jDo24456@garfield.bwh.harvard.edu> References: <200310030245.h932jDo24456@garfield.bwh.harvard.edu> Message-ID: <3F7D74D5.6030007@redhat.com> Andre Robatino wrote: > > I hope someone files one quick. I can't tell since it seems to affect > both Mozilla and Konqueror the same way. If push comes to shove, I can > learn to navigate bugzilla using lynx. The major upgrades today (besides > Mozilla) were XFree86, glibc, and the kernel. The kernel doesn't seem to > matter since I tried the old one. I also tried downgrading glibc to the > original beta2 versions with no effect. Haven't tried XFree86 yet. If it's affecting both Mozilla and Konqueror, odds are it's something lower level. For what it's worth, I haven't seen any problems yet. --Chris From davej at redhat.com Fri Oct 3 13:58:48 2003 From: davej at redhat.com (Dave Jones) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 14:58:48 +0100 Subject: Anyone working on a Feodore release for X86-64 ? In-Reply-To: References: <20031002213352.GI19704@redhat.com> Message-ID: <20031003135848.GJ19704@redhat.com> On Thu, Oct 02, 2003 at 04:54:37PM -0500, Justin M. Forbes wrote: > It seems that any way I go about it results in a world of pain... Pain I > can handle, it seems to me the people would rather have the 2.4 kernel as > an option, and for completeness, I would like the AMD64 Fedora to be > package complete with i386 Fedora. I also understand that 2.6test needs > to be tested. I am working the path right now of using the Fedora kernel > and working out the issues. I will submit patches through bugzilla as I > run across them, and hope to get to a codebase that will work for both > platforms by Core release. At the same time, I will be working with 2.6 > and keep it inline to be ready for Core 2 beta releases. I intend to see > this port through as long as I am able, and do not mind working through > pain. That's the spirit! Looking forward to seeing patches. Personally, I've no objection to rolling in such patches to the Fedora 2.4 kernel sources as long as they look ok, and don't break anything else. I'm only limited by time.. Dave -- Dave Jones http://www.codemonkey.org.uk From dstewart at atl.lmco.com Fri Oct 3 14:16:09 2003 From: dstewart at atl.lmco.com (Douglas Stewart) Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2003 10:16:09 -0400 Subject: FC2 install failure on Dell Inspiron 4150 In-Reply-To: <20031003135848.GJ19704@redhat.com> References: <20031002213352.GI19704@redhat.com> <20031003135848.GJ19704@redhat.com> Message-ID: <3F7D84A9.6020903@atl.lmco.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hey all: This is really bugging the heck out of me. An FC2 install on a Dell Inspiron 4150 gets no further than: running install... running /sbin/loader Oops: 0000 3c59x ds yenta_socket pcmcia_core keybdev hid input usb-uhci usbcore sr_mod sd_m od scsi_mod ide-cd cdrom floppy loop nfs lockd sunrpc vfat fat cramfs vga16fb CPU: 0 EIP: 0060:[] Not tainted EFLAGS: 00010202 [snip] ~ install exuted abnormally -- received signal 11 I've tried searching the RHL Beta/FC mailing list archives for any error messages even resembling the above, but with no success. Any suggestions? - -- - ---------- Doug Stewart Systems Administrator/Web Applications Developer Lockheed Martin Advanced Technology Labs Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/fYSpN50Q8DVvcvkRAnjqAJ9+iZPBUKa7zDNZgxG9ilNz+knmvwCfXH4g x3NWpmR/ICRtXEmYqqBnMJg= =+v4o -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From garrett at redhat.com Fri Oct 3 14:19:11 2003 From: garrett at redhat.com (Garrett LeSage) Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2003 10:19:11 -0400 Subject: Where's the Fedora? In-Reply-To: <20031002214023.GM27426@shitake.truemesh.com> References: <3F7C8989.7070402@penguin.8inchfloppy.com> <1065127990.30055.320.camel@poincare.devel.redhat.com> <20031002214023.GM27426@shitake.truemesh.com> Message-ID: <3F7D855F.5030900@redhat.com> Paul Nasrat wrote: >On Thu, Oct 02, 2003 at 04:53:10PM -0400, Owen Taylor wrote: > > > >> >>That's a "deerstalker cap"; a fedora looks, well, like the >>red fedora in the lower left of your screen. >> >> >> > >Maybe deerstalker should be the next rawhide :) > > It you have kdebase installed, there's a deerstalker cap at: /usr/share/icons/crystalsvg/48x48/apps/agent.png (: Garrett From johnsonm at redhat.com Fri Oct 3 14:20:13 2003 From: johnsonm at redhat.com (Michael K. Johnson) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 10:20:13 -0400 Subject: Anyone working on a Feodore release for X86-64 ? In-Reply-To: <20031002213352.GI19704@redhat.com>; from davej@redhat.com on Thu, Oct 02, 2003 at 10:33:52PM +0100 References: <1065109095.3670.16.camel@edoras.local.net> <20031002154515.B420@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <20031002213352.GI19704@redhat.com> Message-ID: <20031003102013.A29655@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Thu, Oct 02, 2003 at 10:33:52PM +0100, Dave Jones wrote: > On Thu, Oct 02, 2003 at 03:45:15PM -0400, Michael K. Johnson wrote: > > > Given the installer issues with the 2.6 kernel and the fact that > > we really haven't tuned the rest of the OS for it, and the fact > > that we intend that a stock kernel should run on Fedora Core, > > I'd suggest making your first try be to remove the NPTL and > > scheduler patches that Dave pointed out as causing trouble and > > see if things work that way. > > That way lies a whole world of pain as I discovered when we rebased > to 2.4.22. We have lots of patches depandant upon nptl being patched > in already. If you remove that, prepare for an afternoons fun rediffing > quite a few other patches. Or just pull the conflicting patches for a first cut. There are only a few patches really required for installation, such as the changes to loopback. Do it the easiest way first, and then work towards the harder stuff. :-) michaelkjohnson "He that composes himself is wiser than he that composes a book." Linux Application Development -- Ben Franklin http://people.redhat.com/johnsonm/lad/ From johnsonm at redhat.com Fri Oct 3 14:26:20 2003 From: johnsonm at redhat.com (Michael K. Johnson) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 10:26:20 -0400 Subject: text vs. graphical boot In-Reply-To: <3F7CD835.3060404@insight.rr.com>; from redhat-jc@insight.rr.com on Thu, Oct 02, 2003 at 10:00:21PM -0400 References: <200309292327.h8TNRNU16787@garfield.bwh.harvard.edu> <1064878613.16345.88.camel@mirkwood.devel.redhat.com> <3F7BA47F.9010907@farorbit.com> <20031002112424.A20198@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <3F7CD835.3060404@insight.rr.com> Message-ID: <20031003102620.B29655@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Thu, Oct 02, 2003 at 10:00:21PM -0400, Jim - 815 beta wrote: > Michael K. Johnson wrote: > >If we do a graphical kernel splash, it's got to be as decent code > >that stands a good chance of acceptance upstream. As I mentioned > >before, that doesn't include grovelling through memory looking for > >something that resembles a JPEG file. > > I'd like to see some sort of process messages going on with the boot. > Even just having a process name showing on the graphical boot would cue > people better into if the system is locked or proceeding normally. Sorry, we're talking about different things here. I'm talking about kernel messages before init is started. You are talking about messages AFTER init starts. michaelkjohnson "He that composes himself is wiser than he that composes a book." Linux Application Development -- Ben Franklin http://people.redhat.com/johnsonm/lad/ From erqu0001 at d.umn.edu Fri Oct 3 14:31:43 2003 From: erqu0001 at d.umn.edu (Santiago Erquicia) Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2003 09:31:43 -0500 Subject: Problems after actualization Message-ID: <1065191503.3827.2.camel@argentina> This morning I updated my computer. It was some kernel, XFree, gdm, mozilla and I don't remember what else. Now, when I reboot it always says something like a greeter crashed and it is going to try another one. It seems that the problem is with gdm. Anyone can confirm this? From johnsonm at redhat.com Fri Oct 3 14:41:36 2003 From: johnsonm at redhat.com (Michael K. Johnson) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 10:41:36 -0400 Subject: FC2 install failure on Dell Inspiron 4150 In-Reply-To: <3F7D84A9.6020903@atl.lmco.com>; from dstewart@atl.lmco.com on Fri, Oct 03, 2003 at 10:16:09AM -0400 References: <20031002213352.GI19704@redhat.com> <20031003135848.GJ19704@redhat.com> <3F7D84A9.6020903@atl.lmco.com> Message-ID: <20031003104136.C29655@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Fri, Oct 03, 2003 at 10:16:09AM -0400, Douglas Stewart wrote: > This is really bugging the heck out of me. An FC2 install on a Dell > Inspiron 4150 gets no further than: ... > I've tried searching the RHL Beta/FC mailing list archives for any error > messages even resembling the above, but with no success. Any suggestions? Yes. Please file this in bugzilla to start with. michaelkjohnson "He that composes himself is wiser than he that composes a book." Linux Application Development -- Ben Franklin http://people.redhat.com/johnsonm/lad/ From thacker at math.cornell.edu Fri Oct 3 14:45:47 2003 From: thacker at math.cornell.edu (John Alexander Thacker) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 10:45:47 -0400 Subject: Problems after actualization In-Reply-To: <1065191503.3827.2.camel@argentina> References: <1065191503.3827.2.camel@argentina> Message-ID: <20031003144547.GA2558@thacker.dyndns.org> On Fri, Oct 03, 2003 at 09:31:43AM -0500, Santiago Erquicia wrote: > This morning I updated my computer. It was some kernel, XFree, gdm, > mozilla and I don't remember what else. > > Now, when I reboot it always says something like a greeter crashed and > it is going to try another one. It seems that the problem is with gdm. > > Anyone can confirm this? Yes, I get the same problem. It also has a problem finding a system profile or something after I login. Switching to runlevel 3 and running startx works fine, though. John From stevewa at spiritone.com Fri Oct 3 15:14:41 2003 From: stevewa at spiritone.com (Steve Ward) Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2003 08:14:41 -0700 Subject: Fedora test-2 up2date SSL errors In-Reply-To: <20031003074506.27269.88023.Mailman@listman.back-rdu.redhat.com> References: <20031003074506.27269.88023.Mailman@listman.back-rdu.redhat.com> Message-ID: <3F7D9261.2080402@spiritone.com> Is anyone else seeing SSL errors with up2date? Basically it starts downloading (headers or RPMs) then it barfs. Sometimes it will download a couple of items successfully, other times it won't even make it through the first item. From andre at bwh.harvard.edu Fri Oct 3 15:29:49 2003 From: andre at bwh.harvard.edu (Andre Robatino) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 11:29:49 -0400 (EDT) Subject: today's beta2 updates (Moz-mail) In-Reply-To: <3F7D74D5.6030007@redhat.com> from "Christopher Blizzard" at Oct 03, 2003 09:08:37 AM Message-ID: <200310031529.h93FTnP27039@garfield.bwh.harvard.edu> > Andre Robatino wrote: > > > > > I hope someone files one quick. I can't tell since it seems to affect > > both Mozilla and Konqueror the same way. If push comes to shove, I can > > learn to navigate bugzilla using lynx. The major upgrades today (besides > > Mozilla) were XFree86, glibc, and the kernel. The kernel doesn't seem to > > matter since I tried the old one. I also tried downgrading glibc to the > > original beta2 versions with no effect. Haven't tried XFree86 yet. > > If it's affecting both Mozilla and Konqueror, odds are it's something > lower level. For what it's worth, I haven't seen any problems yet. > > --Chris Today's updates seem to have fixed both Mozilla and Konqueror for me. From andre at bwh.harvard.edu Fri Oct 3 15:33:40 2003 From: andre at bwh.harvard.edu (Andre Robatino) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 11:33:40 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Problems after actualization In-Reply-To: <1065191503.3827.2.camel@argentina> from "Santiago Erquicia" at Oct 03, 2003 09:31:43 AM Message-ID: <200310031533.h93FXfJ00025@garfield.bwh.harvard.edu> > This morning I updated my computer. It was some kernel, XFree, gdm, > mozilla and I don't remember what else. > > Now, when I reboot it always says something like a greeter crashed and > it is going to try another one. It seems that the problem is with gdm. > > Anyone can confirm this? After the following messages I am able to run GNOME almost normally. First message: The greeter program appears to be crashing, I will attempt to use a different one. Second message: Cannot find or run the base session script, will try the GNOME failsafe session for you. From marguz at ameritech.net Fri Oct 3 15:51:28 2003 From: marguz at ameritech.net (Mark Guzzo) Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2003 10:51:28 -0500 Subject: Desktop Entry ? Message-ID: <1065196288.7100.5.camel@LORDLINUX.global.shsystem.org> Hello all, I'm trying to add an SMB icon to my desktop and I keep running into a BRICK wall. I've search Google and the freedesktop.org site, but have not found any examples on how to do this. Freedesktop.org is full of some very good info, just that the parts I wanted to see are missing. Here is my test.desktop file so far [Desktop Entry] Encoding=UTF-8 Version=1.0 Type=FSDevice Dev=//shsintranet/netops FSType=smbfs MountPoint=/home/guzmar/mnt/test #ReadOnly=0 UnmountIcon=/usr/share/pixmaps/nautilus/Bluecurve/i-core.png TryExec= Icon=/usr/share/pixmaps/nautilus/Bluecurve/i-smb.png X-GNOME-DocPath= Terminal=false Name[en_US]=netops GenericName[en_US]=SMB netops Comment[en_US]=NETOPS on SHSINTRANET Any ideas? TIA Mark From andre at bwh.harvard.edu Fri Oct 3 15:52:40 2003 From: andre at bwh.harvard.edu (Andre Robatino) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 11:52:40 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Gnome-games - Blackjack In-Reply-To: <200310030413.h934Dnq24751@garfield.bwh.harvard.edu> from "Andre Robatino" at Oct 03, 2003 12:13:49 AM Message-ID: <200310031552.h93Fqe701045@garfield.bwh.harvard.edu> > > > I just installed the updates to beta 2 - blackjack, in gnome-games, > > > doesn't run. Is anyone else experiencing this problem? I'll submit a > > > bug if so. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Clifford > > > glass-art at comcast.net > > > > Yes, I notice that it tries to start up but then dies. Also, KSirtet > > and KFoulEggs don't start (I just tried a few at random - a large fraction > > of the games probably don't work). This is probably related to the same > > bug that prevents Mozilla and Konqueror from working for me, since > > everything seems to have broken at once. Feel free to file a bug report if > > your browser still works. > > I just noticed that although the games appeared to die, in fact the > processes are running and sucking up CPU, as shown by top. Today's updates fixed Mozilla and Konqueror for me (that's the important thing, now I can report problems!) but the games Blackjack, KSirtet and KFoulEggs behave the same. I ran through all the games yesterday and these three are the only ones with the problem. KSirtet and KFoulEggs look very similar, they probably share most of their code. I noticed that bug #106142 has been filed for Blackjack so I filed #106198 for KSirtet and KFoulEggs. From twaugh at redhat.com Fri Oct 3 16:02:22 2003 From: twaugh at redhat.com (Tim Waugh) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 17:02:22 +0100 Subject: Desktop Entry ? In-Reply-To: <1065196288.7100.5.camel@LORDLINUX.global.shsystem.org> References: <1065196288.7100.5.camel@LORDLINUX.global.shsystem.org> Message-ID: <20031003160222.GK2229@redhat.com> On Fri, Oct 03, 2003 at 10:51:28AM -0500, Mark Guzzo wrote: > I'm trying to add an SMB icon to my desktop and I keep running into a > BRICK wall. I've search Google and the freedesktop.org site, but have > not found any examples on how to do this. I think you want to right-click on the background, create a new launcher of type 'Link', and put smb://...whatever... in the URL field. Tim. */ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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When I changed to : > > Categories=Application;AudioVideo;X-Red-Hat-Extra; > > (note the trailing ";"), it appeared fine again. I don't know which of the > GNOME panel or the freedesktop tool is wrong on this one, but at least one > obviously is! IIRC, there's at least one older bug report about it at bugzilla.redhat.com. Fedora.us also encountered a case where adding a category to Categories=Application;AudioVideo with the desktop tool resulted in Categories=Application;AudioVideoAudioVideo; - -- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/faA+0iMVcrivHFQRAm1tAJ42Z2XM4infxzn1ubV6OhhAFcZ9LQCfaJNt wGllHWtD1gYF7Akww2yJVjk= =iPHc -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From ms-nospam-0306 at arcor.de Fri Oct 3 16:17:30 2003 From: ms-nospam-0306 at arcor.de (Michael Schwendt) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 18:17:30 +0200 Subject: up2date wish In-Reply-To: <200310031339.57553.terraformers@gmx.net> References: <200310031339.57553.terraformers@gmx.net> Message-ID: <20031003181730.6f339225.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, 3 Oct 2003 13:39:57 +0200, lars wrote: > any chance to get resizeable text fields in up2date? > can hardly read whats updating. There's at least one dialog in up2date gui which is created with a size that exceeds the display's size. Of course, the Forward/Back buttons are not visible either. Finding out how to reproduce it is somewhere at the bottom of my todo list. IIRC, it's the dialog that lists the added dependencies. When that list is long, the dialog is huge. - -- Michael, who doesn't reply to top posts and complete quotes anymore. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/faEa0iMVcrivHFQRAhIqAJ9HW4qGMXdFWgf7iR3hUZcV01owgwCffI4c 6zNSwFsSyDmWzfjqZgONMLk= =lcEP -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From glass-art at comcast.net Fri Oct 3 16:21:46 2003 From: glass-art at comcast.net (Clifford Snow) Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2003 09:21:46 -0700 Subject: Gnome-games - Blackjack In-Reply-To: <200310030405.h9345tK24707@garfield.bwh.harvard.edu> References: <200310030405.h9345tK24707@garfield.bwh.harvard.edu> Message-ID: <1065198106.7765.1.camel@blue.comcast.net> On Thu, 2003-10-02 at 21:05, Andre Robatino wrote: > Yes, I notice that it tries to start up but then dies. Also, KSirtet > and KFoulEggs don't start (I just tried a few at random - a large fraction > of the games probably don't work). This is probably related to the same > bug that prevents Mozilla and Konqueror from working for me, since > everything seems to have broken at once. Feel free to file a bug report if > your browser still works. I opened a report in bugzilla.redhat.com # 106142. Clifford glass-art at comcast.net From marguz at ameritech.net Fri Oct 3 16:25:24 2003 From: marguz at ameritech.net (Mark Guzzo) Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2003 11:25:24 -0500 Subject: Desktop Entry ? In-Reply-To: <20031003160222.GK2229@redhat.com> References: <1065196288.7100.5.camel@LORDLINUX.global.shsystem.org> <20031003160222.GK2229@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1065198324.7100.7.camel@LORDLINUX.global.shsystem.org> > I think you want to right-click on the background, create a new > launcher of type 'Link', and put smb://...whatever... in the URL > field. Thanks! That was it :-) Mark From nmarsh1 at mac.com Fri Oct 3 16:26:05 2003 From: nmarsh1 at mac.com (Nick Marsh) Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2003 11:26:05 -0500 Subject: Graphical boot loaders: Fedora vs Mandrake Message-ID: <285160.1065198365042.JavaMail.nmarsh1@mac.com> It would be nice if Fedora's graphical boot incorporated the information from the text boot like Mandrake does. Any chance of that happening? Thanks. nick marsh nmarsh1 at mac.com From elwoo at videotron.ca Fri Oct 3 16:46:52 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2003 12:46:52 -0400 Subject: Linux-wlan install breaks Fedora test2 pcmcia In-Reply-To: <3F7CFC88.2090206@speakeasy.net> References: <20031003024202.11646.33071.Mailman@listman.back-rdu.redhat.com> <3F7CFBAA.9090009@speakeasy.net> <3F7CFC88.2090206@speakeasy.net> Message-ID: <200310031246.52141.elwoo@videotron.ca> On October 3, 2003 12:35 am, Robert L Cochran > wrote: > Also -- I live dangerously...in the existing version of up2date, I > turned off GPG verification because of the problem Michael Schwendt and > others noted: the GPG key in the packages is bad. Hopefully I can turn > GPG back on with the next update. > > Bob ... you're not the only one! <*chuckle*>. I've just run up2date-config and set it to ignore GPG, since I find it distracting to sit there and say "y" during the updates of packages from RHN. Elton ;-) -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From elwoo at videotron.ca Fri Oct 3 16:50:37 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2003 12:50:37 -0400 Subject: Gnome-games - Blackjack In-Reply-To: <1065150159.4840.1.camel@blue.comcast.net> References: <1065150159.4840.1.camel@blue.comcast.net> Message-ID: <200310031250.37688.elwoo@videotron.ca> On October 2, 2003 11:02 pm, Clifford Snow > wrote: > I just installed the updates to beta 2 - blackjack, in gnome-games, > doesn't run. Is anyone else experiencing this problem? I'll submit a > bug if so. *I'm in the process of installing updates from RHN, and I now get: "Application "blackjack" (process 4400) has crashed due to a fatal error. (Segmentation fault)" . I haven't rebooted the system yet, so I'd say (maybe) a bug report is in order. Elton ;-) -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From elwoo at videotron.ca Fri Oct 3 16:59:09 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2003 12:59:09 -0400 Subject: Gnome-games - Blackjack In-Reply-To: <200310031250.37688.elwoo@videotron.ca> References: <1065150159.4840.1.camel@blue.comcast.net> <200310031250.37688.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <200310031259.09485.elwoo@videotron.ca> On October 3, 2003 12:50 pm, Elton Woo > wrote: > On October 2, 2003 11:02 pm, Clifford Snow > > wrote: > > I just installed the updates to beta 2 - blackjack, in gnome-games, > > doesn't run. Is anyone else experiencing this problem? I'll submit a > > bug if so. > > *I'm in the process of installing updates from RHN, and I now get: > "Application "blackjack" (process 4400) has crashed > due to a fatal error. > (Segmentation fault)" . I haven't rebooted the system yet, so > I'd say (maybe) a bug report is in order. > > Elton ;-) ... I take that back. I haven't completed installing today's updates from RHN, but now launching Blackjack (in Gnome) it runs OK. No crashes. Elton ;-) -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From sjoerd at acm.org Fri Oct 3 17:02:10 2003 From: sjoerd at acm.org (Sjoerd Mullender) Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2003 19:02:10 +0200 Subject: problems updating from fedora 0.94 Message-ID: <3F7DAB92.5010007@acm.org> When I try to up2date my fedore 0.94 installation I get the message There was a package dependency problem. The message was: Unresolvable chain of dependencies: dbus-qt-0.11.91-3 requires dbus = 0.11.91 Please modify your package selections and try again. I have dbus and dbus-qt installed: # rpm -q dbus dbus-qt dbus-0.11.91-3 dbus-qt-0.11.91-3 and I see that up2date tries to install dbus-0.13-2, but I don't see a newer version of dbus-qt. Is that missing from the channel? From elwoo at videotron.ca Fri Oct 3 17:08:46 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2003 13:08:46 -0400 Subject: Gnome-games - Blackjack In-Reply-To: <1065153433.3859.0.camel@argentina> References: <1065150159.4840.1.camel@blue.comcast.net> <1065153433.3859.0.camel@argentina> Message-ID: <200310031308.46947.elwoo@videotron.ca> On October 2, 2003 11:57 pm, Santiago Erquicia > wrote: > On Thu, 2003-10-02 at 22:02, Clifford Snow wrote: > > I just installed the updates to beta 2 - blackjack, in gnome-games, > > doesn't run. Is anyone else experiencing this problem? I'll submit a > > bug if so. They *all* work now. I'm currently applying the most recent updates via RHN. See my comments in https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=106198 and https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=106142 Elton ;-) -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From matthias at rpmforge.net Fri Oct 3 17:14:10 2003 From: matthias at rpmforge.net (Matthias Saou) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 19:14:10 +0200 Subject: First experiences with fedora 0.94 In-Reply-To: <20031003181350.4ed459aa.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de> References: <1065127605.30991.5.camel@ana.onshuis> <20031003120047.39cc3527.matthias@rpmforge.net> <20031003181350.4ed459aa.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de> Message-ID: <20031003191410.52ce0896.matthias@rpmforge.net> Michael Schwendt wrote : > > I have no idea, sorry. Speaking of menus, I had this in a desktop entry > > : > > > > Categories=Application;AudioVideo;X-Red-Hat-Extra > > > > Well, it didn't show up in the menu, but validated fine with the > > "desktop-file-validate" tool. When I changed to : > > > > Categories=Application;AudioVideo;X-Red-Hat-Extra; > > > > (note the trailing ";"), it appeared fine again. I don't know which of > > the GNOME panel or the freedesktop tool is wrong on this one, but at > > least one obviously is! > > IIRC, there's at least one older bug report about it at > bugzilla.redhat.com. > > Fedora.us also encountered a case where adding a category to > > Categories=Application;AudioVideo > > with the desktop tool resulted in > > Categories=Application;AudioVideoAudioVideo; Been there, got bitten by that one too. Matthias -- Clean custom Red Hat Linux rpm packages : http://freshrpms.net/ Fedora Core release 0.94 (Severn) - Linux kernel 2.4.22-20.1.2024.2.36.nptl Load : 0.10 0.24 0.25 From elwoo at videotron.ca Fri Oct 3 17:16:47 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2003 13:16:47 -0400 Subject: up2date says 'The package is not signed =?iso-8859-1?q?with=09GPG?= Signature' In-Reply-To: <1065148806.4960.12.camel@gstpc.earthlink.net> References: <3F7CD4DD.50809@cfl.rr.com> <1065148806.4960.12.camel@gstpc.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <200310031316.47791.elwoo@videotron.ca> On October 2, 2003 10:40 pm, Gerry Tool > wrote: > You'll need to have the rawhide key installed - to do this, do > > 'up2date -u fedora-release' > > after subscribing to the updates channel, and > then > > 'rpm --import /usr/share/doc/fedora-release-0.94/RPM-GPG-KEY-rawhide'. ... what if you'r just installing updates from RHN? I disabled via up2date-config. Elton ;-) -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From gstool at earthlink.net Fri Oct 3 17:27:08 2003 From: gstool at earthlink.net (Gerry Tool) Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2003 12:27:08 -0500 Subject: severin login failure after updating today Message-ID: <1065202028.4943.7.camel@gstpc.earthlink.net> I updated to all packages in today's update. Now, when severn starts, instead of getting GDM, I get a message" "The greeter program appears to be crashing. I will attempt to use a different one." I get a different login screen that says "Welcome" and log in. Then I get a message: "Cannont find or run the base session script, will try Gnome failsafe session for you." Then I get a message: "This is the Failsafe Gnome session. You will be logged into the "Default" session of Gnome with no startup scripts run. This is only to fix problems in your installation." It then logs me into my normal Gnome desktop, but I have no clue how to fix the problem. Does anyone else? Thanks. Gerry Tool From andre at bwh.harvard.edu Fri Oct 3 17:40:11 2003 From: andre at bwh.harvard.edu (Andre Robatino) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 13:40:11 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Gnome-games - Blackjack In-Reply-To: <200310031308.46947.elwoo@videotron.ca> from "Elton Woo" at Oct 03, 2003 01:08:46 PM Message-ID: <200310031740.h93HeBn02507@garfield.bwh.harvard.edu> > On October 2, 2003 11:57 pm, Santiago Erquicia > wrote: > > On Thu, 2003-10-02 at 22:02, Clifford Snow wrote: > > > I just installed the updates to beta 2 - blackjack, in gnome-games, > > > doesn't run. Is anyone else experiencing this problem? I'll submit a > > > bug if so. > > They *all* work now. I'm currently applying the most recent updates > via RHN. > See my comments in > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=106198 and > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=106142 > > Elton ;-) I already applied today's updates and they still don't work for me. From braden at endoframe.com Fri Oct 3 17:50:35 2003 From: braden at endoframe.com (Braden McDaniel) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 13:50:35 -0400 Subject: severin login failure after updating today In-Reply-To: <1065202028.4943.7.camel@gstpc.earthlink.net> References: <1065202028.4943.7.camel@gstpc.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <1065203435.3459bd2e1b086@webmail.spamcop.net> Quoting Gerry Tool : > I updated to all packages in today's update. > > Now, when severn starts, instead of getting GDM, I get a message" > > "The greeter program appears to be crashing. I will attempt to use a > different one." > > I get a different login screen that says "Welcome" and log in. > > Then I get a message: > > "Cannont find or run the base session script, will try Gnome failsafe > session for you." > > Then I get a message: > > "This is the Failsafe Gnome session. You will be logged into the > "Default" session of Gnome with no startup scripts run. This is only to > fix problems in your installation." > > It then logs me into my normal Gnome desktop, but I have no clue how to > fix the problem. > > Does anyone else? I'm seeing exactly the same thing. -- Braden McDaniel e-mail: Jabber: From gstool at earthlink.net Fri Oct 3 17:59:27 2003 From: gstool at earthlink.net (Gerry Tool) Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2003 12:59:27 -0500 Subject: severin login failure after updating today In-Reply-To: <1065203435.3459bd2e1b086@webmail.spamcop.net> References: <1065202028.4943.7.camel@gstpc.earthlink.net> <1065203435.3459bd2e1b086@webmail.spamcop.net> Message-ID: <1065203967.4943.10.camel@gstpc.earthlink.net> On Fri, 2003-10-03 at 12:50, Braden McDaniel wrote: > Quoting Gerry Tool : > > > I updated to all packages in today's update. > > > > Now, when severn starts, instead of getting GDM, I get a message" > > > > "The greeter program appears to be crashing. I will attempt to use a > > different one." > > > > I get a different login screen that says "Welcome" and log in. > > > > Then I get a message: > > > > "Cannont find or run the base session script, will try Gnome failsafe > > session for you." > > > > Then I get a message: > > > > "This is the Failsafe Gnome session. You will be logged into the > > "Default" session of Gnome with no startup scripts run. This is only to > > fix problems in your installation." > > > > It then logs me into my normal Gnome desktop, but I have no clue how to > > fix the problem. > > > > Does anyone else? > > I'm seeing exactly the same thing. I started to make a bugzilla report and found one already exists from another user. #106189. Please add a comment to the end of it that you are seeing the same thing. Gerry From elwoo at videotron.ca Fri Oct 3 18:01:19 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2003 14:01:19 -0400 Subject: Gnome-games - Blackjack In-Reply-To: <200310031740.h93HeBn02507@garfield.bwh.harvard.edu> References: <200310031740.h93HeBn02507@garfield.bwh.harvard.edu> Message-ID: <3F7DB96F.6090300@videotron.ca> Andre Robatino wrote: >>On October 2, 2003 11:57 pm, Santiago Erquicia >> wrote: >> >> >>>On Thu, 2003-10-02 at 22:02, Clifford Snow wrote: >>> >>> >>>>I just installed the updates to beta 2 - blackjack, in gnome-games, >>>>doesn't run. Is anyone else experiencing this problem? I'll submit a >>>>bug if so. >>>> >>>> >>They *all* work now. I'm currently applying the most recent updates >>via RHN. >>See my comments in >>https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=106198 and >>https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=106142 >> >>Elton ;-) >> >> > > I already applied today's updates and they still don't work for me. > > hmmm... I guess you better add comments to the above bugs, then... I've just rebooted, and other than the the gdem problem just reported bu Jerry Tool, (Subject: Re: severin login failure after updating today), these applications *are* working on my AMD system. <*shrug*>. FWIW: My updates are from the RHN beta channel, NOT from rawhide, if that makes any difference ... Elton ;-) -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From elwoo at videotron.ca Fri Oct 3 18:02:29 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2003 14:02:29 -0400 Subject: severin login failure after updating today In-Reply-To: <1065203435.3459bd2e1b086@webmail.spamcop.net> References: <1065202028.4943.7.camel@gstpc.earthlink.net> <1065203435.3459bd2e1b086@webmail.spamcop.net> Message-ID: <3F7DB9B5.6000600@videotron.ca> Braden McDaniel wrote: >Quoting Gerry Tool : > > > >>I updated to all packages in today's update. >> >>Now, when severn starts, instead of getting GDM, I get a message" >> >>"The greeter program appears to be crashing. I will attempt to use a >>different one." >> >>I get a different login screen that says "Welcome" and log in. >> >>Then I get a message: >> >>"Cannont find or run the base session script, will try Gnome failsafe >>session for you." >> >>Then I get a message: >> >>"This is the Failsafe Gnome session. You will be logged into the >>"Default" session of Gnome with no startup scripts run. This is only to >>fix problems in your installation." >> >>It then logs me into my normal Gnome desktop, but I have no clue how to >>fix the problem. >> >>Does anyone else? >> >> > >I'm seeing exactly the same thing. > > > I can concur that it's happened here too. Just rebooted, reconfigured the nVidia driver support, and logged in with the newer kernel. Elton ;-) -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From elwoo at videotron.ca Fri Oct 3 18:03:49 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2003 14:03:49 -0400 Subject: mozilla 1.4 Message-ID: <3F7DBA05.9000400@videotron.ca> FWIW, and as a test, I'm posting with Mozilla 1.4. No lockups as reported by a poster here on the list. Elton ; -) -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From andre at bwh.harvard.edu Fri Oct 3 18:10:59 2003 From: andre at bwh.harvard.edu (Andre Robatino) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 14:10:59 -0400 (EDT) Subject: mozilla 1.4 In-Reply-To: <3F7DBA05.9000400@videotron.ca> from "Elton Woo" at Oct 03, 2003 02:03:49 PM Message-ID: <200310031810.h93IAxK02597@garfield.bwh.harvard.edu> > FWIW, and as a test, I'm posting with Mozilla 1.4. No lockups as > reported by a poster here on the list. > > Elton ; -) Today's updates fixed both Mozilla and Konqueror for me (which is how I was able to file the other bug report :). My hardware is [andre at localhost andre]$ uname -a Linux localhost.localdomain 2.4.22-1.2084.nptl #1 Thu Oct 2 15:00:07 EDT 2003 i686 athlon i386 GNU/Linux so maybe one of the processor-specific RPMs accounts for why the games break only on some systems. From mcolligan at ma.rr.com Fri Oct 3 18:28:34 2003 From: mcolligan at ma.rr.com (Michael Colligan) Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2003 13:28:34 -0500 Subject: Linux-wlan install breaks Fedora test2 pcmcia In-Reply-To: <3F7D033A.1090702@speakeasy.net> References: <20031003024202.11646.33071.Mailman@listman.back-rdu.redhat.com> <32810.216.254.115.235.1065153343.squirrel@www.insue.com> <3F7CF62F.3020806@speakeasy.net> <32874.216.254.115.235.1065155104.squirrel@www.insue.com> <3F7CFC9C.1010703@iprimus.com.au> <3F7CFEC0.9020703@speakeasy.net> <32942.216.254.115.235.1065156952.squirrel@www.insue.com> <3F7D033A.1090702@speakeasy.net> Message-ID: <1065205713.712.7.camel@localhost> On Fri, 2003-10-03 at 00:03, Robert L Cochran wrote: > Good luck! I have a long history of complaining about how uselessly > complicated RHN is. This is still a real problem. But after spending > time installing FreeBSD and Debian, I have to admit that Fedora and RHN > are still the class act of Linux distros: nobody does it better. That > doesn't mean RHN can't improve, though. It needs improvement in aircraft > carrier tonnage amounts. Like a new Anti-Aircraft Turret? From elwoo at videotron.ca Fri Oct 3 18:29:49 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2003 14:29:49 -0400 Subject: mozilla 1.4 In-Reply-To: <200310031810.h93IAxK02597@garfield.bwh.harvard.edu> References: <200310031810.h93IAxK02597@garfield.bwh.harvard.edu> Message-ID: <200310031429.49206.elwoo@videotron.ca> On October 3, 2003 02:10 pm, Andre Robatino > wrote: > Today's updates fixed both Mozilla and Konqueror for me (which is how I > was able to file the other bug report :). My hardware is > > [andre at localhost andre]$ uname -a > Linux localhost.localdomain 2.4.22-1.2084.nptl #1 Thu Oct 2 15:00:07 EDT > 2003 i686 athlon i386 GNU/Linux > > so maybe one of the processor-specific RPMs accounts for why the games > break only on some systems. ... likewise. I'm inclined to think that many of the bugs are processor-specific. For example, I have system sounds enabled in Gnome, but have no problems running games such as TuxRacer and Chromium *with* sound support. Under KDE, however, I get NO sound when I run Chromium, because I have the KDE system sounds enabled... and even have enabled full-duplex, but no joy ... :-( BTW, how do I (what is the command to) run the KDE desktop setting wizard? I want to *disable* those KDE system sounds. Elton -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From kforsber at mac.com Fri Oct 3 18:41:58 2003 From: kforsber at mac.com (Karl Forsberg) Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2003 11:41:58 -0700 Subject: Discrepancy on Firewall page of 0.94 Install Message-ID: <1121202.1065206518369.JavaMail.kforsber@mac.com> Someone may have seen this already but I thought I would throw this out there just in case. During the Fedora Core 0.94 install there is a discrepancy on the firewall configuration page. The information provided in the left column seems to be the Redhat 9 information, which refers to low, medium and high security settings for the firewall. This does not match the new format which excludes those settings. A small thing. Karl R. Forsberg From elwoo at videotron.ca Fri Oct 3 18:47:01 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2003 14:47:01 -0400 Subject: OT:Microsoft faces fresh lawsuit (kindly reply *off-list"). Message-ID: <200310031447.01500.elwoo@videotron.ca> >From the BBC - Friday, 3 October, 2003, 14:32 GMT 15:32 UK: Software giant Microsoft is facing legal action from a group of US lawyers who believe the company's Windows operating system is a "global security risk". http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/3161752.stm I just logged in to watch the latest news from the BBC, and this popped up. Elton ;-) Windows = Simply Can't Operate ?? -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From b.j.smith at ieee.org Fri Oct 3 19:05:28 2003 From: b.j.smith at ieee.org (Bryan J. Smith) Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2003 15:05:28 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Please use an off-topic list -- WAS: OT:Microsoft faces fresh lawsuit (kindly reply *off-list") In-Reply-To: <200310031447.01500.elwoo@videotron.ca> References: <200310031447.01500.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <1065207928.3f7dc87880e06@webmail.smithconcepts.com> Quoting Elton Woo : > Software giant Microsoft is facing legal action from a group of US > lawyers who believe the company's Windows operating system is a "global > security risk". > http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/3161752.stm > I just logged in to watch the latest news from the BBC, and this > popped up. Please don't post this junk here. If you want a good "off-topic" list, LEAP's "BS" list (not-so-coincidently named after my initials ;-), is a good place: http://www.leap-cf.org/mailinglist.php3?list=bslist I posted my response there. -- Bryan J. Smith, E.I. mailto:b.j.smith at ieee.org http://thebs.org ------------------------------------------------------------------ There is no greater ignorance than the popular American environ- mental movement, which focuses on the most useless details. Be it recycling the world's most renewable resource or refusal to use proven CFC insulation on launch vehicles, no lives will be spared in the further pursuit of, ironically, harming the environment. From b.j.smith at ieee.org Fri Oct 3 19:05:28 2003 From: b.j.smith at ieee.org (Bryan J. Smith) Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2003 15:05:28 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Please use an off-topic list -- WAS: OT:Microsoft faces fresh lawsuit (kindly reply *off-list") In-Reply-To: <200310031447.01500.elwoo@videotron.ca> References: <200310031447.01500.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <1065207928.3f7dc87880e06@webmail.smithconcepts.com> Quoting Elton Woo : > Software giant Microsoft is facing legal action from a group of US > lawyers who believe the company's Windows operating system is a "global > security risk". > http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/3161752.stm > I just logged in to watch the latest news from the BBC, and this > popped up. Please don't post this junk here. If you want a good "off-topic" list, LEAP's "BS" list (not-so-coincidently named after my initials ;-), is a good place: http://www.leap-cf.org/mailinglist.php3?list=bslist I posted my response there. -- Bryan J. Smith, E.I. mailto:b.j.smith at ieee.org http://thebs.org ------------------------------------------------------------------ There is no greater ignorance than the popular American environ- mental movement, which focuses on the most useless details. Be it recycling the world's most renewable resource or refusal to use proven CFC insulation on launch vehicles, no lives will be spared in the further pursuit of, ironically, harming the environment. From aoliva at redhat.com Fri Oct 3 19:10:08 2003 From: aoliva at redhat.com (Alexandre Oliva) Date: 03 Oct 2003 16:10:08 -0300 Subject: Discrepancy on Firewall page of 0.94 Install In-Reply-To: <1121202.1065206518369.JavaMail.kforsber@mac.com> References: <1121202.1065206518369.JavaMail.kforsber@mac.com> Message-ID: On Oct 3, 2003, Karl Forsberg wrote: > The information provided in the left column seems to be the Redhat 9 > information, which refers to low, medium and high security settings > for the firewall. This does not match the new format which excludes > those settings. Bugzilla # ? Remember, if it's not in bugzilla, it does not exist :-) -- Alexandre Oliva Enjoy Guarana', see http://www.ic.unicamp.br/~oliva/ Red Hat GCC Developer aoliva@{redhat.com, gcc.gnu.org} CS PhD student at IC-Unicamp oliva@{lsd.ic.unicamp.br, gnu.org} Free Software Evangelist Professional serial bug killer From fmerenda at yahoo.com Fri Oct 3 19:15:46 2003 From: fmerenda at yahoo.com (Frank Merenda) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 12:15:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Subject: FC2 install failure on Dell Inspiron 4150 Message-ID: <20031003191546.4025.qmail@web13804.mail.yahoo.com> > Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2003 10:16:09 -0400 > Douglas Stewart > Subject: FC2 install failure on Dell Inspiron 4150 > > Hey all: > This is really bugging the heck out of me. An FC2 install on a Dell > Inspiron 4150 gets no further than: > > running install... > running /sbin/loader > > [snip] > > ~ install exuted abnormally -- received signal 11 > > [snip] > Any suggestions? try booting with: linux nofb pci=off that worked for me. But My install just freezes at the 'running /sbin/loader' line.... ===== - Frank Merenda Author - Uptime - http://www.steidler.net/uptime/ -a community based Linux blog and newsletter- Registered Linux User #234428 - http://counter.li.org webmaster - Humane Society of Jackson County - http://www.hsjc.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From elwoo at videotron.ca Fri Oct 3 19:18:36 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2003 15:18:36 -0400 Subject: Please use an off-topic list -- WAS: OT:Microsoft faces fresh lawsuit (kindly reply *off-list") In-Reply-To: <1065207928.3f7dc87880e06@webmail.smithconcepts.com> References: <200310031447.01500.elwoo@videotron.ca> <1065207928.3f7dc87880e06@webmail.smithconcepts.com> Message-ID: <200310031518.36717.elwoo@videotron.ca> On October 3, 2003 03:05 pm, Bryan J. Smith <"Bryan J. Smith" > wrote: > Please don't post this junk here. Junk, is it ... when customer data and security is at risk? *hum*. > > If you want a good "off-topic" list, LEAP's "BS" list (not-so-coincidently > named after my initials ;-), is a good place: > http://www.leap-cf.org/mailinglist.php3?list=bslist ... er, and WHY have you sent the _same reply_ not *once* but *thrice*??? NOTA BENE: End of thread. cheers, Elton Woo ;-) -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From notting at redhat.com Fri Oct 3 19:32:17 2003 From: notting at redhat.com (Bill Nottingham) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 15:32:17 -0400 Subject: problems updating from fedora 0.94 In-Reply-To: <3F7DAB92.5010007@acm.org>; from sjoerd@acm.org on Fri, Oct 03, 2003 at 07:02:10PM +0200 References: <3F7DAB92.5010007@acm.org> Message-ID: <20031003153217.F1566@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Sjoerd Mullender (sjoerd at acm.org) said: > When I try to up2date my fedore 0.94 installation I get the message > > There was a package dependency problem. The message was: > > Unresolvable chain of dependencies: > dbus-qt-0.11.91-3 requires dbus = 0.11.91 > > Please modify your package selections and try again. > > I have dbus and dbus-qt installed: > # rpm -q dbus dbus-qt > dbus-0.11.91-3 > dbus-qt-0.11.91-3 > > and I see that up2date tries to install dbus-0.13-2, but I don't see a > newer version of dbus-qt. Is that missing from the channel? No, it got removed. You'll probably have to remove dbus-qt. Bill From katzj at redhat.com Fri Oct 3 19:33:42 2003 From: katzj at redhat.com (Jeremy Katz) Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2003 15:33:42 -0400 Subject: Discrepancy on Firewall page of 0.94 Install In-Reply-To: References: <1121202.1065206518369.JavaMail.kforsber@mac.com> Message-ID: <1065209622.14406.218.camel@mirkwood.devel.redhat.com> On Fri, 2003-10-03 at 15:10, Alexandre Oliva wrote: > On Oct 3, 2003, Karl Forsberg wrote: > > The information provided in the left column seems to be the Redhat 9 > > information, which refers to low, medium and high security settings > > for the firewall. This does not match the new format which excludes > > those settings. > > Bugzilla # ? Remember, if it's not in bugzilla, it does not exist :-) And it's there at least three times (because I know I've closed two dupes ;-) Yes, this is a "please search for dupes before filing things" mail :-) Cheers, Jeremy From notting at redhat.com Fri Oct 3 19:34:11 2003 From: notting at redhat.com (Bill Nottingham) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 15:34:11 -0400 Subject: Discrepancy on Firewall page of 0.94 Install In-Reply-To: ; from aoliva@redhat.com on Fri, Oct 03, 2003 at 04:10:08PM -0300 References: <1121202.1065206518369.JavaMail.kforsber@mac.com> Message-ID: <20031003153411.G1566@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Alexandre Oliva (aoliva at redhat.com) said: > On Oct 3, 2003, Karl Forsberg wrote: > > > The information provided in the left column seems to be the Redhat 9 > > information, which refers to low, medium and high security settings > > for the firewall. This does not match the new format which excludes > > those settings. > > Bugzilla # ? Remember, if it's not in bugzilla, it does not exist :-) Already bugzilla'd, and fixed too! Bill From czar at czarc.net Fri Oct 3 21:55:12 2003 From: czar at czarc.net (Gene C.) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 17:55:12 -0400 Subject: seven beta 2 updates channel and rhn-applet In-Reply-To: <1065141574.4960.2.camel@gstpc.earthlink.net> References: <1065139853.3239.6.camel@tiger> <1065141574.4960.2.camel@gstpc.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <200310031755.12369.czar@czarc.net> On Thursday 02 October 2003 20:39, Gerry Tool wrote: > On Thu, 2003-10-02 at 19:10, Louis Garcia wrote: > > Is their a way to make the rhn-applet point to the update channel? > > Log onto Red Hat Network. > > Select the Systems Tab. > > Select your Severn system. > > Click on Alter Channel Subscriptions. > > Place a check by Severn Beta 2 (i386) Updates. > > Click on Change Subscriptions. > > The next time you run up2date from the panel applet, it will have this > channel available. I was about the answer this question the same way you did but then I looked at his question again. I went to the box I am running fedora on and the update applet showed I was current. I had previously done what you suggested about and so I then ran up2date ... there are updates. Apparently, the rhn applet only checks the main channel for updates. -- Gene From dennis at ausil.us Fri Oct 3 22:12:49 2003 From: dennis at ausil.us (Dennis Gilmore) Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 08:12:49 +1000 Subject: up2date crash Message-ID: <200310040812.55317.dennis@ausil.us> Twice while trying to get the updates up2date has hung i ran it from the CL and this is what was there. anyone seen this? it is with the new version of up2date Dennis Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/share/rhn/up2date_client/gui.py", line 1865, in doRetrieval self.setRetrievalProgress) File "/usr/share/rhn/up2date_client/up2date.py", line 176, in getPackage buffer = rpcServer.doCall(repos.getPackage, pkg, msgCallback, progressCallback) File "/usr/share/rhn/up2date_client/rpcServer.py", line 143, in doCall up2dateAuth.updateLoginInfo() File "/usr/share/rhn/up2date_client/up2dateAuth.py", line 139, in updateLoginInfo loginInfo = login() File "/usr/share/rhn/up2date_client/up2dateAuth.py", line 112, in login loginInfo = rpcServer.doCall(server.up2date.login, systemId) File "/usr/share/rhn/up2date_client/rpcServer.py", line 117, in doCall log.log_me("A socket error occurred: %s, attempt #%s" % ( File "/usr/share/rhn/up2date_client/up2dateLog.py", line 31, in log_me self.write_log(s) File "/usr/share/rhn/up2date_client/up2dateLog.py", line 42, in write_log log_file = open(log_name, 'a') IOError: [Errno 24] Too many open files: '/var/log/up2date' -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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If acls aren't available in severn2 are they planned for the next test release? -- Carlos Rodrigues email: cer09566 at students.fct.unl.pt url: http://crodrigues.webhop.net From whooperhsd3 at earthlink.net Fri Oct 3 22:44:32 2003 From: whooperhsd3 at earthlink.net (William Hooper) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 18:44:32 -0400 (EDT) Subject: up2date says 'The package is not signedwith GPG Signature' In-Reply-To: <200310031316.47791.elwoo@videotron.ca> References: <3F7CD4DD.50809@cfl.rr.com><1065148806.4960.12.camel@gstpc.earthlink.net> <200310031316.47791.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <64586.65.40.134.44.1065221072.squirrel@whooper.org> Elton Woo said: > On October 2, 2003 10:40 pm, Gerry Tool > > wrote: >> You'll need to have the rawhide key installed - to do this, do >> >> 'up2date -u fedora-release' >> >> after subscribing to the updates channel, and >> then >> >> 'rpm --import /usr/share/doc/fedora-release-0.94/RPM-GPG-KEY-rawhide'. > ... what if you'r just installing updates from RHN? I disabled via > up2date-config. The severn2-updates RHN channel *is* rawhide. This means you need the rawhide GPG key to fix the warning. Disabling GPG checking just means any RPM will be installed regardless of GPG signatures. -- William Hooper From fedora-test-list at hourfollowshour.org Fri Oct 3 23:24:22 2003 From: fedora-test-list at hourfollowshour.org (fedora-test-list) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 19:24:22 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Linux-wlan install breaks Fedora test2 pcmcia In-Reply-To: <3F7D033A.1090702@speakeasy.net> References: <20031003024202.11646.33071.Mailman@listman.back-rdu.redhat.com> <32810.216.254.115.235.1065153343.squirrel@www.insue.com> <3F7CF62F.3020806@speakeasy.net> <32874.216.254.115.235.1065155104.squirrel@www.insue.com> <3F7CFC9C.1010703@iprimus.com.au> <3F7CFEC0.9020703@speakeasy.net> <32942.216.254.115.235.1065156952.squirrel@www.insue.com> <3F7D033A.1090702@speakeasy.net> Message-ID: <32802.216.254.115.235.1065223462.squirrel@www.insue.com> After upgrading last night with the latest updates for test2 and re-installing the linux-wlan driver, it still breaks pcmcia. Any pointers or direction would be appreciated to figure out how to get this to work. I don't understand why it is breaking pcmcia. --- After installing linux-wlan on Fedora test2 (Vaio R505TS ACPI Laptop), pcmcia breaks with the following upon startup: [root at localhost linux-wlan-ng-0.2.1-pre12]# /etc/init.d/pcmcia start Starting PCMCIA services: modulesmodprobe: Can't locate module pcmcia_core.o modprobe: Can't locate module yenta_socket.o modprobe: Can't locate module ds.o cardmgr. In /var/log/messages: Oct 2 23:35:42 localhost cardmgr[8783]: starting, version is 3.1.31 Oct 2 23:35:42 localhost cardmgr[8783]: no pcmcia driver in /proc/devices Oct 2 23:35:42 localhost cardmgr[8783]: exiting I am using pre12 in this example but I have tried other version of the linux-wlan code and the result of breaking pcmcia has been the same. Any help would be appreciated. Re-ran depmod -a. Also rebooted. Kernel Params: acpi=on nogui (also tried with pci=biosirq) [root at localhost linux-wlan-ng-0.2.1-pre12]# uname -a Linux localhost.localdomain 2.4.22-1.2082.nptl #1 Tue Sep 30 15:55:29 EDT 2003 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux Starting pcmcia: (Before linux-wlan install) Oct 2 23:22:10 localhost kernel: Linux Kernel Card Services 3.1.22 Oct 2 23:22:10 localhost kernel: options: [pci] [cardbus] [pm] Oct 2 23:22:10 localhost kernel: Yenta IRQ list 0cb8, PCI irq9 Oct 2 23:22:10 localhost kernel: Socket status: 30000410 Files linux-wlan installs: From alan at redhat.com Fri Oct 3 23:26:36 2003 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 19:26:36 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Linux-wlan install breaks Fedora test2 pcmcia In-Reply-To: <32802.216.254.115.235.1065223462.squirrel@www.insue.com> from "fedora-test-list" at Hyd 03, 2003 07:24:22 Message-ID: <200310032326.h93NQaw13660@devserv.devel.redhat.com> > re-installing the linux-wlan driver, it still breaks pcmcia. Any pointers > or direction would be appreciated to figure out how to get this to work. > I don't understand why it is breaking pcmcia. It appears the changes you made removed the kernel pcmcia support From fedora-test-list at hourfollowshour.org Fri Oct 3 23:39:47 2003 From: fedora-test-list at hourfollowshour.org (fedora-test-list) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 19:39:47 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Linux-wlan install breaks Fedora test2 pcmcia In-Reply-To: <200310032326.h93NQaw13660@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <32802.216.254.115.235.1065223462.squirrel@www.insue.com> from "fedora-test-list" at Hyd 03, 2003 07:24:22 <200310032326.h93NQaw13660@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <32828.216.254.115.235.1065224387.squirrel@www.insue.com> How it removed kernel pcmcia support I have no idea. Here is the make install, do you see anything funky here? The file list doesn't appear to overwrite anything existing or important on the system. [see the list in my previous post] [root at localhost linux-wlan-ng-0.2.1-pre12]# make install find . -name .depend -exec rm {} \; set -e; for d in src doc man etc; do make -C $d install ; done make[1]: Entering directory `/home/louis/src/linux-wlan-ng-0.2.1-pre12/src' set -e; for d in p80211 prism2 shared wlanctl wland nwepgen mkmeta wlancfg; do make -C $d install ; done make[2]: Entering directory `/home/louis/src/linux-wlan-ng-0.2.1-pre12/src/p80211' mkdir -p /lib/modules/2.4.22-1.2082.nptl/net cp p80211.o /lib/modules/2.4.22-1.2082.nptl/net make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/louis/src/linux-wlan-ng-0.2.1-pre12/src/p80211' make[2]: Entering directory `/home/louis/src/linux-wlan-ng-0.2.1-pre12/src/prism2' mkdir -p /etc/wlan cp shared.prism2 /etc/wlan mkdir -p /etc/wlan/ for x in *.hex ; do \ if [ -f "$x" ] ; then \ cp $x /etc/wlan//prism2_`echo $x | cut -c1-2`.hex ; \ fi; \ done set -e; for d in driver ridlist; do make -C $d install ; done make[3]: Entering directory `/home/louis/src/linux-wlan-ng-0.2.1-pre12/src/prism2/driver' if [ -d /lib/modules/2.4.22-1.2082.nptl/kernel/3rdparty ] ; then \ rm -rf /lib/modules/2.4.22-1.2082.nptl/kernel/3rdparty/prism* ;\ fi mkdir -p /lib/modules/2.4.22-1.2082.nptl/pcmcia cp -f prism2_cs.o /lib/modules/2.4.22-1.2082.nptl/pcmcia make[3]: Leaving directory `/home/louis/src/linux-wlan-ng-0.2.1-pre12/src/prism2/driver' make[3]: Entering directory `/home/louis/src/linux-wlan-ng-0.2.1-pre12/src/prism2/ridlist' echo "Nothing to do" Nothing to do make[3]: Leaving directory `/home/louis/src/linux-wlan-ng-0.2.1-pre12/src/prism2/ridlist' make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/louis/src/linux-wlan-ng-0.2.1-pre12/src/prism2' make[2]: Entering directory `/home/louis/src/linux-wlan-ng-0.2.1-pre12/src/shared' Nothing to do... make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/louis/src/linux-wlan-ng-0.2.1-pre12/src/shared' make[2]: Entering directory `/home/louis/src/linux-wlan-ng-0.2.1-pre12/src/wlanctl' mkdir -p /sbin cp wlanctl /sbin/wlanctl-ng make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/louis/src/linux-wlan-ng-0.2.1-pre12/src/wlanctl' make[2]: Entering directory `/home/louis/src/linux-wlan-ng-0.2.1-pre12/src/wland' mkdir -p /sbin cp wland /sbin/wland make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/louis/src/linux-wlan-ng-0.2.1-pre12/src/wland' make[2]: Entering directory `/home/louis/src/linux-wlan-ng-0.2.1-pre12/src/nwepgen' mkdir -p /sbin cp nwepgen /sbin make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/louis/src/linux-wlan-ng-0.2.1-pre12/src/nwepgen' make[2]: Entering directory `/home/louis/src/linux-wlan-ng-0.2.1-pre12/src/mkmeta' echo "Nothing to install" Nothing to install make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/louis/src/linux-wlan-ng-0.2.1-pre12/src/mkmeta' make[2]: Entering directory `/home/louis/src/linux-wlan-ng-0.2.1-pre12/src/wlancfg' cp wlancfg /sbin make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/louis/src/linux-wlan-ng-0.2.1-pre12/src/wlancfg' /sbin/depmod -a make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/louis/src/linux-wlan-ng-0.2.1-pre12/src' make[1]: Entering directory `/home/louis/src/linux-wlan-ng-0.2.1-pre12/doc' Nothing to do... make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/louis/src/linux-wlan-ng-0.2.1-pre12/doc' make[1]: Entering directory `/home/louis/src/linux-wlan-ng-0.2.1-pre12/man' mkdir -p /usr/local/man/man1 cp nwepgen.man wlancfg.man wlanctl-ng.man wland.man \ /usr/local/man/man1 make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/louis/src/linux-wlan-ng-0.2.1-pre12/man' make[1]: Entering directory `/home/louis/src/linux-wlan-ng-0.2.1-pre12/etc' set -e; for d in pcmcia wlan; do make -C $d install; done make[2]: Entering directory `/home/louis/src/linux-wlan-ng-0.2.1-pre12/etc/pcmcia' mkdir -p /etc/pcmcia ; \ if [ -f /etc/pcmcia/wlan-ng ]; then \ mv -f /etc/pcmcia/wlan-ng /etc/pcmcia/wlan-ng.O ; \ fi ; \ cp wlan-ng /etc/pcmcia ; \ chmod +x /etc/pcmcia/wlan-ng ; \ if [ -f /etc/pcmcia/wlan-ng.conf ]; then \ mv -f /etc/pcmcia/wlan-ng.conf /etc/pcmcia/wlan-ng.conf.O ; \ fi ; \ cp wlan-ng.conf /etc/pcmcia ; \ if [ -f /etc/pcmcia/config ]; then \ if ! grep -sq 'source.*\.\/\*\.conf$' /etc/pcmcia/config ; then \ if ! grep -sq 'source \.\/wlan-ng.conf' /etc/pcmcia/config ; then \ mv -f /etc/pcmcia/config /etc/pcmcia/config.O ; \ ( echo "source ./wlan-ng.conf"; cat /etc/pcmcia/config.O) > /etc/pcmcia/config ; \ fi ; \ fi ; \ fi make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/louis/src/linux-wlan-ng-0.2.1-pre12/etc/pcmcia' make[2]: Entering directory `/home/louis/src/linux-wlan-ng-0.2.1-pre12/etc/wlan' mkdir -p /etc/wlan if [ ! -f /etc/wlan/wlan.conf ] ; then \ cp wlan.conf /etc/wlan/wlan.conf ; \ fi cp shared wlancfg-DEFAULT \ /etc/wlan chmod 700 /etc/wlan/wlancfg-* echo FIRMWARE_DIR=/etc/wlan/ >> /etc/wlan/shared make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/louis/src/linux-wlan-ng-0.2.1-pre12/etc/wlan' make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/louis/src/linux-wlan-ng-0.2.1-pre12/etc' File List of what is installed is in my previous post. Thanks. Louis >> re-installing the linux-wlan driver, it still breaks pcmcia. Any >> pointers or direction would be appreciated to figure out how to get >> this to work. I don't understand why it is breaking pcmcia. > > It appears the changes you made removed the kernel pcmcia support From list at cloudk.clara.co.uk Fri Oct 3 23:46:52 2003 From: list at cloudk.clara.co.uk (Deryk Lister) Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2003 00:46:52 +0100 Subject: Transgaming WineX (specifically EverQuest) under Fedora 0.94 In-Reply-To: <20030930023904.3493.78014.Mailman@listman.back-rdu.redhat.com> References: <20030930023904.3493.78014.Mailman@listman.back-rdu.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1065224811.7315.9.camel@deryk> Discussion so far: (Quoted from reply by Jim Drabb): > Message: 26 > Subject: Re: Transgaming WineX (specifically EverQuest) under Fedora 0.94 > From: Jim Drabb > To: fedora-test-list > Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 20:00:52 -0400 > Reply-To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com > > On Mon, 2003-09-29 at 19:32, Deryk Lister wrote: > > I posted the following message to the TransGaming messageboards, and > > will also post it here in case anyone has any ideas! The problem, I > > think, is with the kernel but I've yet to put my finger on it. > > > > This thread seems to outline a similar problem, and the same method I > > tried (grabbing a vanilla kernel and compiling with a Fedora .config > > file) but whilst it worked for this person it didn't work for me: > > > > http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/2003-September/msg00218.html > > > Any suggestions/workarounds appreciated! > > > > (I'd quite like to see this fixed - without workarounds - before Fedora > > is released, if anything to prevent newbs getting put off. Will help in > > any way I can, but note I'm not a programmer) > > > > Cheers > > It could be prelinking or nptl. You could try to set PRELINKING=no in > /etc/sysconfig/prelink > > You can also try to run winex with LD_ASSUME_KERNEL=2.4.1, e.x. > > LD_ASSUME_KERNEL=2.4.1 winex3 eqgame.exe > > Or just export LD_ASSUME_KERNEL=2.4.1 before you run winex3 from a > terminal. > > Jim Drabb I am an idiot. LOL Just got a reply from Transgaming suggesting that the problem is most likely not to do with the distro, but more to do with the fact that some dumbass (me) was trying to run the game from a FAT32 partition. Copied it over to a Linux partition and it works perfectly. You now have permission to call me lots of names ;) Cheers Deryk From jaap_haitsma at zonnet.nl Fri Oct 3 23:57:32 2003 From: jaap_haitsma at zonnet.nl (Jaap A. Haitsma) Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2003 01:57:32 +0200 Subject: Linux-wlan install breaks Fedora test2 pcmcia In-Reply-To: <32802.216.254.115.235.1065223462.squirrel@www.insue.com> References: <20031003024202.11646.33071.Mailman@listman.back-rdu.redhat.com> <32810.216.254.115.235.1065153343.squirrel@www.insue.com> <3F7CF62F.3020806@speakeasy.net> <32874.216.254.115.235.1065155104.squirrel@www.insue.com> <3F7CFC9C.1010703@iprimus.com.au> <3F7CFEC0.9020703@speakeasy.net> <32942.216.254.115.235.1065156952.squirrel@www.insue.com> <3F7D033A.1090702@speakeasy.net> <32802.216.254.115.235.1065223462.squirrel@www.insue.com> Message-ID: <3F7E0CEC.8090106@zonnet.nl> Hi, I had the same problem in RH 9.0. You have to remove the .o in the three following lines in the file /etc/init.d/pcmcia /sbin/modprobe pcmcia_core.o $CORE_OPTS /sbin/modprobe $PCIC.o $PCIC_OPTS /sbin/modprobe ds.o Bug is already quite a while in bugzilla See https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=88054 Regards, Jaap fedora-test-list wrote: > After upgrading last night with the latest updates for test2 and > re-installing the linux-wlan driver, it still breaks pcmcia. Any pointers > or direction would be appreciated to figure out how to get this to work. > I don't understand why it is breaking pcmcia. > > --- > > After installing linux-wlan on Fedora test2 (Vaio R505TS ACPI Laptop), > pcmcia breaks with the following upon startup: > [root at localhost linux-wlan-ng-0.2.1-pre12]# /etc/init.d/pcmcia start > Starting PCMCIA services: modulesmodprobe: Can't locate module pcmcia_core.o > modprobe: Can't locate module yenta_socket.o > modprobe: Can't locate module ds.o > cardmgr. > > In /var/log/messages: > Oct 2 23:35:42 localhost cardmgr[8783]: starting, version is 3.1.31 > Oct 2 23:35:42 localhost cardmgr[8783]: no pcmcia driver in /proc/devices > Oct 2 23:35:42 localhost cardmgr[8783]: exiting > > I am using pre12 in this example but I have tried other version of the > linux-wlan code and the result of breaking pcmcia has been the same. Any > help would be appreciated. Re-ran depmod -a. Also rebooted. > > Kernel Params: > acpi=on nogui (also tried with pci=biosirq) > > [root at localhost linux-wlan-ng-0.2.1-pre12]# uname -a > Linux localhost.localdomain 2.4.22-1.2082.nptl #1 Tue Sep 30 15:55:29 EDT > 2003 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux > > > Starting pcmcia: (Before linux-wlan install) > Oct 2 23:22:10 localhost kernel: Linux Kernel Card Services 3.1.22 > Oct 2 23:22:10 localhost kernel: options: [pci] [cardbus] [pm] > Oct 2 23:22:10 localhost kernel: Yenta IRQ list 0cb8, PCI irq9 > Oct 2 23:22:10 localhost kernel: Socket status: 30000410 > > > Files linux-wlan installs: > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > From fedora-test-list at hourfollowshour.org Sat Oct 4 00:22:52 2003 From: fedora-test-list at hourfollowshour.org (fedora-test-list) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 20:22:52 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Linux-wlan install breaks Fedora test2 pcmcia In-Reply-To: <3F7E0CEC.8090106@zonnet.nl> References: <20031003024202.11646.33071.Mailman@listman.back-rdu.redhat.com> <32810.216.254.115.235.1065153343.squirrel@www.insue.com> <3F7CF62F.3020806@speakeasy.net> <32874.216.254.115.235.1065155104.squirrel@www.insue.com> <3F7CFC9C.1010703@iprimus.com.au> <3F7CFEC0.9020703@speakeasy.net> <32942.216.254.115.235.1065156952.squirrel@www.insue.com> <3F7D033A.1090702@speakeasy.net> <32802.216.254.115.235.1065223462.squirrel@www.insue.com> <3F7E0CEC.8090106@zonnet.nl> Message-ID: <32915.216.254.115.235.1065226972.squirrel@www.insue.com> Jaap, That did the trick! Oh man, how obscure! Wireless card came right up, thanks a lot. Louis > Hi, > > I had the same problem in RH 9.0. > > You have to remove the .o in the three following lines in the file > /etc/init.d/pcmcia > > /sbin/modprobe pcmcia_core.o $CORE_OPTS > /sbin/modprobe $PCIC.o $PCIC_OPTS > /sbin/modprobe ds.o > > Bug is already quite a while in bugzilla > See > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=88054 > > Regards, > > Jaap > From mhowell at northlink.com Sat Oct 4 00:32:42 2003 From: mhowell at northlink.com (Mark Howell) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 17:32:42 -0700 Subject: seven beta 2 updates channel and rhn-applet In-Reply-To: <200310031755.12369.czar@czarc.net> Message-ID: <007201c38a0f$07ce50d0$4d021eac@icontrolinc.com> [snip] > > Apparently, the rhn applet only checks the main channel for updates. > > -- > Gene I saw this behavior in Severn Beta 1 also. See bug 104259 (https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=104259). I looked around in bugzilla, didn't see this one, filed my own, and it was quickly marked duplicate. Cheers, Mark. From chrisw01 at privatei.com Sat Oct 4 00:34:06 2003 From: chrisw01 at privatei.com (Christopher A. Williams) Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2003 18:34:06 -0600 Subject: XE Still has serious problems with calendar, contacts, etc. Message-ID: <1065227646.3871.4.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> I'm running the latest Severn2 updates. Aside from the gdm crashing problem, I'm still seeing the same hangs with Evolution (when using pretty much any feature other than the mail client). It's still evolution-wombat, I believe, that is causing the problem. I will bugzilla if it is not already in there. BTW, that's evolution 1.4.5-2. I still also have the sync problems with evolution and my Palm Tungsten T. Jpilot works flawlessly. Cheers, Chris -- ==================================== "If you get to thinkin' you're a person of some influence, try orderin' someone else's dog around." --Cowboy Wisdom From glass-art at comcast.net Sat Oct 4 02:05:00 2003 From: glass-art at comcast.net (Clifford Snow) Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2003 19:05:00 -0700 Subject: XE Still has serious problems with calendar, contacts, etc. In-Reply-To: <1065227646.3871.4.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> References: <1065227646.3871.4.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> Message-ID: <1065233100.4311.4.camel@blue.comcast.net> On Fri, 2003-10-03 at 17:34, Christopher A. Williams wrote: > I'm running the latest Severn2 updates. Aside from the gdm crashing > problem, I'm still seeing the same hangs with Evolution (when using > pretty much any feature other than the mail client). It's still > evolution-wombat, I believe, that is causing the problem. I'm also having the gdm crashing and Evolution still won't exit properly requiring use of --force-shutdown to exit evolution. > > I will bugzilla if it is not already in there. BTW, that's evolution > 1.4.5-2. > > I still also have the sync problems with evolution and my Palm Tungsten > T. Jpilot works flawlessly. With the latest update, I am now able to sync my Palm Pilot for the first time. Clifford glass-art at comcast.net From elwoo at videotron.ca Sat Oct 4 02:26:11 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2003 22:26:11 -0400 Subject: severin login failure after updating today In-Reply-To: <1065202028.4943.7.camel@gstpc.earthlink.net> References: <1065202028.4943.7.camel@gstpc.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <200310032226.11076.elwoo@videotron.ca> On October 3, 2003 01:27 pm, Gerry Tool > wrote: > "The greeter program appears to be crashing. I will attempt to use a > different one." > > I get a different login screen that says "Welcome" and log in. > > Then I get a message: > > "Cannont find or run the base session script, will try Gnome failsafe > session for you." > > Then I get a message: > > "This is the Failsafe Gnome session. You will be logged into the > "Default" session of Gnome with no startup scripts run. This is only to > fix problems in your installation." ... any workarounds or fixes for this yet? The problem is consistent wether KDE or Gnome session is chosen, and since it's Failsafe, I cannot print ... Elton. -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From daniel-wittenberg at starken.com Sat Oct 4 02:40:45 2003 From: daniel-wittenberg at starken.com (Daniel Wittenberg) Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2003 21:40:45 -0500 Subject: [FEDORA] Re: severin login failure after updating today In-Reply-To: <200310032226.11076.elwoo@videotron.ca> References: <1065202028.4943.7.camel@gstpc.earthlink.net> <200310032226.11076.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <1065235245.3555.4.camel@hawk.wittenberg.org> So far the only workaround that I know of (what I'm doing) is init to runlevel 3, then startx from there. I get the annoying error messages that pop up behind the fedora splash, along with my ssh-add, but at least it works. Dan On Fri, 2003-10-03 at 21:26, Elton Woo wrote: > On October 3, 2003 01:27 pm, Gerry Tool > > wrote: > > "The greeter program appears to be crashing. I will attempt to use a > > different one." > > > > I get a different login screen that says "Welcome" and log in. > > > > Then I get a message: > > > > "Cannont find or run the base session script, will try Gnome failsafe > > session for you." > > > > Then I get a message: > > > > "This is the Failsafe Gnome session. You will be logged into the > > "Default" session of Gnome with no startup scripts run. This is only to > > fix problems in your installation." > > ... any workarounds or fixes for this yet? The problem is consistent > wether KDE or Gnome session is chosen, and since it's Failsafe, I > cannot print ... > > Elton. -- ============================= Daniel Wittenberg RHCE+AS/IBM Certified Specialist President/CTO The Starken Group http://www.starken.com From mbarrientos at cfl.rr.com Sat Oct 4 02:44:09 2003 From: mbarrientos at cfl.rr.com (Mario) Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2003 22:44:09 -0400 Subject: severin login failure after updating today In-Reply-To: <200310032226.11076.elwoo@videotron.ca> References: <1065202028.4943.7.camel@gstpc.earthlink.net> <200310032226.11076.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <3F7E33F9.2070803@cfl.rr.com> I just had the same situation and I found that there is abug opened about this: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=106189 Regards Mario Elton Woo wrote: >On October 3, 2003 01:27 pm, Gerry Tool > >wrote: > > >>"The greeter program appears to be crashing. I will attempt to use a >>different one." >> >>I get a different login screen that says "Welcome" and log in. >> >>Then I get a message: >> >>"Cannont find or run the base session script, will try Gnome failsafe >>session for you." >> >>Then I get a message: >> >>"This is the Failsafe Gnome session. You will be logged into the >>"Default" session of Gnome with no startup scripts run. This is only to >>fix problems in your installation." >> >> > >... any workarounds or fixes for this yet? The problem is consistent >wether KDE or Gnome session is chosen, and since it's Failsafe, I >cannot print ... > >Elton. > > From elwoo at videotron.ca Sat Oct 4 02:51:41 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2003 22:51:41 -0400 Subject: [FEDORA] Re: severin login failure after updating today In-Reply-To: <1065235245.3555.4.camel@hawk.wittenberg.org> References: <1065202028.4943.7.camel@gstpc.earthlink.net> <200310032226.11076.elwoo@videotron.ca> <1065235245.3555.4.camel@hawk.wittenberg.org> Message-ID: <200310032251.41522.elwoo@videotron.ca> On October 3, 2003 10:40 pm, Daniel Wittenberg > wrote: > So far the only workaround that I know of (what I'm doing) is init to > runlevel 3, then startx from there. I get the annoying error messages > that pop up behind the fedora splash, along with my ssh-add, but at > least it works. But is *that* logging you into Gnome or KDE? ... or does it still log you into a Failsafe session? Does printing work? Elton. -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From redhat-jc at insight.rr.com Sat Oct 4 02:52:34 2003 From: redhat-jc at insight.rr.com (Jim Cornette) Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2003 22:52:34 -0400 Subject: mozilla 1.4 In-Reply-To: <200310031810.h93IAxK02597@garfield.bwh.harvard.edu> References: <200310031810.h93IAxK02597@garfield.bwh.harvard.edu> Message-ID: <3F7E35F2.8090103@insight.rr.com> Andre Robatino wrote: >>FWIW, and as a test, I'm posting with Mozilla 1.4. No lockups as >>reported by a poster here on the list. >> >>Elton ; -) > > > Today's updates fixed both Mozilla and Konqueror for me (which is how I > was able to file the other bug report :). My hardware is > > [andre at localhost andre]$ uname -a > Linux localhost.localdomain 2.4.22-1.2084.nptl #1 Thu Oct 2 15:00:07 EDT 2003 i686 athlon i386 GNU/Linux > > so maybe one of the processor-specific RPMs accounts for why the games > break only on some systems. Until the updates for the later afternoon. Mozilla was broken for mail. It seems like they got it back on the right road again. Does anyone know if moz will be getting a spell checking feature in the near future? I like the mailer a lot better than other mail programs. Mainly the mutiple accounts divided so filters don't have to be messed with and you can expect each mail account to contain certain subject matters. But you can check them all within the same session. Evolution's lumping all chosen accounts into one mesh makes knowing which mail account the message came from and which address to send out the mail very confusing, at least for me. Jim -- Everything you know is wrong! From mbarrientos at cfl.rr.com Sat Oct 4 02:58:00 2003 From: mbarrientos at cfl.rr.com (Mario) Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2003 22:58:00 -0400 Subject: mozilla 1.4 In-Reply-To: <3F7E35F2.8090103@insight.rr.com> References: <200310031810.h93IAxK02597@garfield.bwh.harvard.edu> <3F7E35F2.8090103@insight.rr.com> Message-ID: <3F7E3738.5060704@cfl.rr.com> Jim Cornette wrote: > Andre Robatino wrote: > >>> FWIW, and as a test, I'm posting with Mozilla 1.4. No lockups as >>> reported by a poster here on the list. >>> >>> Elton ; -) >> >> >> >> Today's updates fixed both Mozilla and Konqueror for me (which is >> how I >> was able to file the other bug report :). My hardware is >> >> [andre at localhost andre]$ uname -a >> Linux localhost.localdomain 2.4.22-1.2084.nptl #1 Thu Oct 2 15:00:07 >> EDT 2003 i686 athlon i386 GNU/Linux >> >> so maybe one of the processor-specific RPMs accounts for why the games >> break only on some systems. > > > Until the updates for the later afternoon. Mozilla was broken for > mail. It seems like they got it back on the right road again. > > Does anyone know if moz will be getting a spell checking feature in > the near future? > > I like the mailer a lot better than other mail programs. Mainly the > mutiple accounts divided so filters don't have to be messed with and > you can expect each mail account to contain certain subject matters. > But you can check them all within the same session. > > Evolution's lumping all chosen accounts into one mesh makes knowing > which mail account the message came from and which address to send out > the mail very confusing, at least for me. > > > Jim > > Hi Jim, I understand that the speelchecker comes by default in Mozilla 1.5 For 1.4 or older try http://spellchecker.mozdev.org/ then follow the Installation link. Regards Mario From mbarrientos at cfl.rr.com Sat Oct 4 03:05:04 2003 From: mbarrientos at cfl.rr.com (Mario) Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2003 23:05:04 -0400 Subject: up2date says 'The package is not signedwith GPG Signature' Message-ID: <3F7E38E0.5050807@cfl.rr.com> Thanks for all your help. In addition to the commands mentioned by Gerry I had to execute: rpm --import /usr/share/doc/fedora-release-0.94/RPM-GPG-KEY-beta After that I updated my system without having the mgs related to GPG signature. Mario From daniel-wittenberg at starken.com Sat Oct 4 03:08:42 2003 From: daniel-wittenberg at starken.com (Daniel Wittenberg) Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2003 22:08:42 -0500 Subject: [FEDORA] Re: [FEDORA] Re: severin login failure after updating today In-Reply-To: <200310032251.41522.elwoo@videotron.ca> References: <1065202028.4943.7.camel@gstpc.earthlink.net> <200310032226.11076.elwoo@videotron.ca> <1065235245.3555.4.camel@hawk.wittenberg.org> <200310032251.41522.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <1065236922.3554.8.camel@hawk.wittenberg.org> It logs into what you have your prefs set to, and it's full version so you can print and everything else. Dan On Fri, 2003-10-03 at 21:51, Elton Woo wrote: > On October 3, 2003 10:40 pm, Daniel Wittenberg > wrote: > > So far the only workaround that I know of (what I'm doing) is init to > > runlevel 3, then startx from there. I get the annoying error messages > > that pop up behind the fedora splash, along with my ssh-add, but at > > least it works. > But is *that* logging you into Gnome or KDE? ... or does it still > log you into a Failsafe session? Does printing work? > > Elton. -- ============================= Daniel Wittenberg RHCE+AS/IBM Certified Specialist President/CTO The Starken Group http://www.starken.com From daniel-wittenberg at starken.com Sat Oct 4 03:09:50 2003 From: daniel-wittenberg at starken.com (Daniel Wittenberg) Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2003 22:09:50 -0500 Subject: [FEDORA] Re: mozilla 1.4 In-Reply-To: <3F7E35F2.8090103@insight.rr.com> References: <200310031810.h93IAxK02597@garfield.bwh.harvard.edu> <3F7E35F2.8090103@insight.rr.com> Message-ID: <1065236990.3554.10.camel@hawk.wittenberg.org> Are you using pop3 then? I use the multiple accounts all the time and don't have this problem, but I also only use imaps Dan On Fri, 2003-10-03 at 21:52, Jim Cornette wrote: > Evolution's lumping all chosen accounts into one mesh makes knowing > which mail account the message came from and which address to send out > the mail very confusing, at least for me. > > > Jim -- ============================= Daniel Wittenberg RHCE+AS/IBM Certified Specialist President/CTO The Starken Group http://www.starken.com From cochranb at speakeasy.net Sat Oct 4 03:28:07 2003 From: cochranb at speakeasy.net (Robert L Cochran) Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2003 23:28:07 -0400 Subject: XE Still has serious problems with calendar, contacts, etc. In-Reply-To: <1065227646.3871.4.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> References: <1065227646.3871.4.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> Message-ID: <3F7E3E47.5040005@speakeasy.net> Yes it crashes on me too. Bob Christopher A. Williams wrote: > I'm running the latest Severn2 updates. Aside from the gdm crashing > problem, I'm still seeing the same hangs with Evolution (when using > pretty much any feature other than the mail client). It's still > evolution-wombat, I believe, that is causing the problem. > > I will bugzilla if it is not already in there. BTW, that's evolution > 1.4.5-2. > > I still also have the sync problems with evolution and my Palm Tungsten > T. Jpilot works flawlessly. > > Cheers, > > Chris > > -- > ==================================== > "If you get to thinkin' you're a person of some influence, > try orderin' someone else's dog around." > --Cowboy Wisdom > > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > -- Bob Cochran Greenbelt, Maryland, USA http://greenbeltcomputer.biz/ From paul.morgan at jumanjihouse.com Sat Oct 4 03:38:18 2003 From: paul.morgan at jumanjihouse.com (Paul Morgan) Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2003 22:38:18 -0500 Subject: ACLs In-Reply-To: <3F7DF6DD.6050303@students.fct.unl.pt> References: <3F7DF6DD.6050303@students.fct.unl.pt> Message-ID: <1065237553.3834.1.camel@vaio.jumanjihouse.com> On Fri, 2003-10-03 at 17:23, Carlos Rodrigues wrote: > What's the status on acl support in severn2? I haven't played with them yet, but according to man pages (acl, getfacl, and setfacl), they are there. -paul From elwoo at videotron.ca Sat Oct 4 04:27:34 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2003 00:27:34 -0400 Subject: [FEDORA] Re: [FEDORA] Re: severin login failure after updating today In-Reply-To: <1065236922.3554.8.camel@hawk.wittenberg.org> References: <1065202028.4943.7.camel@gstpc.earthlink.net> <200310032251.41522.elwoo@videotron.ca> <1065236922.3554.8.camel@hawk.wittenberg.org> Message-ID: <200310040027.35011.elwoo@videotron.ca> On October 3, 2003 11:08 pm, Daniel Wittenberg > wrote: > It logs into what you have your prefs set to, and it's full version so > you can print and everything else. > > Dan > > On Fri, 2003-10-03 at 21:51, Elton Woo wrote: > > On October 3, 2003 10:40 pm, Daniel Wittenberg > > > > wrote: > > > So far the only workaround that I know of (what I'm doing) is init to > > > runlevel 3, then startx from there. I get the annoying error messages > > > that pop up behind the fedora splash, along with my ssh-add, but at > > > least it works. I've changed my inittab so that the system boots to runlevel3, then I run startx. At least Gnome now invokes my startup programs, BUT I *still* can't print, even doing test print as su root, I get NOTHING sent to the printer... :-( Elton -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From glass-art at comcast.net Sat Oct 4 05:01:22 2003 From: glass-art at comcast.net (Clifford Snow) Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2003 22:01:22 -0700 Subject: [FEDORA] Re: severin login failure after updating today In-Reply-To: <200310032251.41522.elwoo@videotron.ca> References: <1065202028.4943.7.camel@gstpc.earthlink.net> <200310032226.11076.elwoo@videotron.ca> <1065235245.3555.4.camel@hawk.wittenberg.org> <200310032251.41522.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <1065243682.4311.6.camel@blue.comcast.net> On Fri, 2003-10-03 at 19:51, Elton Woo wrote: > On October 3, 2003 10:40 pm, Daniel Wittenberg > wrote: > > So far the only workaround that I know of (what I'm doing) is init to > > runlevel 3, then startx from there. I get the annoying error messages > > that pop up behind the fedora splash, along with my ssh-add, but at > > least it works. > But is *that* logging you into Gnome or KDE? ... or does it still > log you into a Failsafe session? Does printing work? It reports a Failsafe session but I am able to print. From louisg00 at bellsouth.net Sat Oct 4 05:55:47 2003 From: louisg00 at bellsouth.net (Louis Garcia) Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2003 01:55:47 -0400 Subject: screen resolution vs display Message-ID: <1065246947.8014.2.camel@tiger> Anyone know the difference between 'preferences/screen resolution' and 'system settings/display' capplets? --Lou From ba at linuxin.dk Sat Oct 4 06:11:57 2003 From: ba at linuxin.dk (Bjorn Andersen) Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2003 08:11:57 +0200 Subject: DRI missing! Message-ID: <1065247917.6746.10.camel@Linux1> Hi I have updated from rawhide, and is running XFree86-xx-4.3.0-34 and kernel-smp-2.4.22-1.2082.nptl on a Intel HT perl MB. I am using a MSI Gforce FX5600 with 256 mb ram. Now, after the update, im not able to play Unreal Tournament 2003. Not even with an older kernel (and non smp-kernels too). UT2003 are exiting with: Xlib: extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0". GL_EXT_bgra not supported - bailing out. History: Exiting due to error I have the Nvidia driver installed, and i have played it before under Fedora test 2. Is it a bug in XFree ? MVH Bj?rn Andersen http://www.linuxin.dk Linux. Because making UNIX user friendly is easier then debugging Windows -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Rainer.Hattenhauer at t-online.de Sat Oct 4 06:54:07 2003 From: Rainer.Hattenhauer at t-online.de (Rainer Hattenhauer) Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 08:54:07 +0200 Subject: laptop install - screen gets white Message-ID: <001d01c38a44$546832f0$152ea8c0@august> Hello, since RH 9, I have the following problem when booting from installation CD 1 and trying to perform an install on my laptop: After media check, when launching the anaconda installer, the screen of my laptop is getting slowly white and remains in this state. No chance to work in graphical space, ++<+/-> doesn't show any effect, too. Hardware: Ati Rage Mobility, which is detected by the install routine, but: screen is marked as not detected. Software: now using fedora test2 As a workaround, I connected my external Desktop monitor, went through the installation, and after that, rebooting the system, and the graphic system goes up properly. Any idea for a better workaround which uses the laptop screen for installation (beside using anaconda in text mode) ? Rainer From Dax at GuruLabs.com Sat Oct 4 06:57:04 2003 From: Dax at GuruLabs.com (Dax Kelson) Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2003 00:57:04 -0600 Subject: ACLs In-Reply-To: <1065237553.3834.1.camel@vaio.jumanjihouse.com> References: <3F7DF6DD.6050303@students.fct.unl.pt> <1065237553.3834.1.camel@vaio.jumanjihouse.com> Message-ID: <1065250623.2899.23.camel@mentor.gurulabs.com> On Fri, 2003-10-03 at 21:38, Paul Morgan wrote: > On Fri, 2003-10-03 at 17:23, Carlos Rodrigues wrote: > > What's the status on acl support in severn2? > > I haven't played with them yet, but according to man pages (acl, > getfacl, and setfacl), they are there. -paul Those are the userland utilities. They are in RHL9 (maybe 8 as well). It also requires a 2.4 kernel patch which is not in the servern2 kernel. You could run the RHASv3/taroon kernel though which has the 2.4 patch. You could also run a 2.6 kernel (currently at -test6) which includes support with no patch required. Dax Kelson Guru Labs From grant at tuins.ac.jp Sat Oct 4 07:42:47 2003 From: grant at tuins.ac.jp (rg) Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2003 16:42:47 +0900 Subject: Nautilus USB pendrive woes... In-Reply-To: <001d01c38a44$546832f0$152ea8c0@august> References: <001d01c38a44$546832f0$152ea8c0@august> Message-ID: <3F7E79F7.6000408@tuins.ac.jp> Now running Test 2 on one machine and Test 1 (old kernel) with rawhide updates on another, but on both machines I am having a problem with my USB pendrive (or clip drive or whatever you want to call it). The drive mounts and unmounts nicely, but now when I double-click on the desktop icon in GNOME, Nautilus tends to crash when opening up a window for the drive. Sometimes it doesn't crash until after the window opens and I start scrolling, but crash it eventually will. This did not happen in RH 9 or pre-rawhided Test 1. Any ideas? Anyone else experience it? Should I bugzilla it? ralston From jaap_haitsma at zonnet.nl Sat Oct 4 08:00:04 2003 From: jaap_haitsma at zonnet.nl (Jaap A. Haitsma) Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2003 10:00:04 +0200 Subject: screen resolution vs display In-Reply-To: <1065246947.8014.2.camel@tiger> References: <1065246947.8014.2.camel@tiger> Message-ID: <3F7E7E04.6040704@zonnet.nl> Lou, Theyr'e basically the same they both modify the XF86Config file to change your display settings. Preferences/screen resolution has been written by the Gnome Community System settings/display by RedHat. The RedHat one is a bit fancier and you can set some more options. Anyone knows why such an application is not just "given back" to the Gnome Community? In that way the whole Linux community can profit from this, and it only needs to maintain one package instead of two. Jaap Louis Garcia wrote: > Anyone know the difference between 'preferences/screen resolution' and > 'system settings/display' capplets? > > --Lou > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > From ossamak at nht.com.kw Sat Oct 4 10:21:34 2003 From: ossamak at nht.com.kw (Ossama Khayaat) Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 13:21:34 +0300 Subject: Grub stage1 file error Message-ID: <1F336C4559FF244A90D52EFEABE98AD607CC57@nimo.nhpro.kw> Hi, After installing fedora core on my Toshiba laptop and restarted, I didn't get the boot screen. I'm sure I chose to install a boot loader (grub). Anyway, I booted with my first CD and use 'linux rescue' to install the boot loader (just thought something is wrong). It turned to be that file /boot/grub/stage1 couldn't be read! I used 'rpm -V grub' and didn't get any error at all. I tried removing and installing the package again, but still no use. I checked the MD5SUM of the ISO images and they are also fine. Any suggestions? Regards, Ossama Khayat --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.522 / Virus Database: 320 - Release Date: 9/29/2003 From gstool at earthlink.net Sat Oct 4 12:13:38 2003 From: gstool at earthlink.net (Gerry Tool) Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2003 07:13:38 -0500 Subject: [FEDORA] Re: [FEDORA] Re: severin login failure after updating today In-Reply-To: <200310040027.35011.elwoo@videotron.ca> References: <1065202028.4943.7.camel@gstpc.earthlink.net> <200310032251.41522.elwoo@videotron.ca> <1065236922.3554.8.camel@hawk.wittenberg.org> <200310040027.35011.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <1065269618.11221.1.camel@gstpc.earthlink.net> On Fri, 2003-10-03 at 23:27, Elton Woo wrote: > I've changed my inittab so that the system boots to runlevel3, then > I run startx. At least Gnome now invokes my startup programs, BUT I > *still* can't print, even doing test print as su root, I get NOTHING sent > to the printer... :-( I suspect your printing problem is independent of the GDM crash problem. I can print fine, but I use networked printers, not USB connected printers. Gerry Tool From rpjday at mindspring.com Sat Oct 4 13:57:02 2003 From: rpjday at mindspring.com (Robert P. J. Day) Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 09:57:02 -0400 (GMT-04:00) Subject: installing pine under fedora? Message-ID: <1877976.1065275823321.JavaMail.root@wamui03.slb.atl.earthlink.net> i finally got around to putting fedora 0.94 on my system, and wanted to re-install pine (yes, i really should find another mail client one of these days), but trying to install the most recent version of pine gave me a dependency error -- missing libcom_err.so.3. a quick check suggests that that library belongs to the kerberos libs, but the fedora-shipped krb5-libs RPM contains no such thing. i'm supposing i can try to install an earlier version of pine to try to beat this, but what have others done to install pine under fedora? i'd rather not hack around, trying to match versions if there's an easier solution. thanks. rday From chrisw01 at privatei.com Sat Oct 4 13:58:07 2003 From: chrisw01 at privatei.com (Christopher A. Williams) Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2003 07:58:07 -0600 Subject: XE Still has serious problems with calendar, contacts, etc. In-Reply-To: <1065233100.4311.4.camel@blue.comcast.net> References: <1065227646.3871.4.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> <1065233100.4311.4.camel@blue.comcast.net> Message-ID: <1065275887.15227.1.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> On Fri, 2003-10-03 at 20:05, Clifford Snow wrote: > On Fri, 2003-10-03 at 17:34, Christopher A. Williams wrote: > > I'm running the latest Severn2 updates. Aside from the gdm crashing > > problem, I'm still seeing the same hangs with Evolution (when using > > pretty much any feature other than the mail client). It's still > > evolution-wombat, I believe, that is causing the problem. > I'm also having the gdm crashing and Evolution still won't exit properly > requiring use of --force-shutdown to exit evolution. > > > > I will bugzilla if it is not already in there. BTW, that's evolution > > 1.4.5-2. > > > > I still also have the sync problems with evolution and my Palm Tungsten > > T. Jpilot works flawlessly. > With the latest update, I am now able to sync my Palm Pilot for the > first time. > Did a little more on the sync part with XE. I am now able to sync the calendar and contacts sectios successfully. Enabling the ToDo and file conduits still cause the same sync problems. THe only absolute way to clean it up is to reboot. Cheers, Chris -- ==================================== "If you get to thinkin' you're a person of some influence, try orderin' someone else's dog around." --Cowboy Wisdom From pmorgan at jcoverage.com Sat Oct 4 14:04:05 2003 From: pmorgan at jcoverage.com (Peter Morgan) Date: 04 Oct 2003 15:04:05 +0100 Subject: fedora core 0.94: jade not terminating Message-ID: <1065276245.5714.79.camel@sport.sunninghill.org> Hi, I am using Fedora core 0.94, with all updates as of yesterday (kernel: 2.4.22-1.2082.nptl). I am running jade as part of a larger ANT based Java (1.4.2-b28) build, to convert our SGML documentation into PDF/HTML. The build works fine on my other RHL8 and RHL9 machines. However, on Fedora, the build 'deadlocks' with jade taking ~90% CPU and never terminates (even after several hours). The SGML input and HTML/PDF output are both to a local disk. Any ideas what this could be? Regards, Peter. -- Peter Morgan +44 7739 806 222 From ms-nospam-0306 at arcor.de Sat Oct 4 14:23:44 2003 From: ms-nospam-0306 at arcor.de (Michael Schwendt) Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 16:23:44 +0200 Subject: Grub stage1 file error In-Reply-To: <1F336C4559FF244A90D52EFEABE98AD607CC57@nimo.nhpro.kw> References: <1F336C4559FF244A90D52EFEABE98AD607CC57@nimo.nhpro.kw> Message-ID: <20031004162344.01c8bb41.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Sat, 4 Oct 2003 13:21:34 +0300, Ossama Khayaat wrote: > Hi, > After installing fedora core on my Toshiba laptop and restarted, I didn't get the boot screen. I'm sure I chose to install a boot loader (grub). > Anyway, I booted with my first CD and use 'linux rescue' to install the boot loader (just thought something is wrong). > It turned to be that file /boot/grub/stage1 couldn't be read! > I used 'rpm -V grub' and didn't get any error at all. > I tried removing and installing the package again, but still no use. /boot/grub/stage1 does not belong to any RPM package. It's copied there upon installing the boot block. Do you have a separate /boot and /usr partition? Did you mount every partition? Did you chroot into your system? Did you re-install GRUB with the "grub-install" utility? - -- Michael, who doesn't reply to top posts and complete quotes anymore. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/ftfw0iMVcrivHFQRAnhOAJ91da7Up75XL+i6V2KnDZlCiqp1/wCfeu2E OGTXf2FsUTYG7nJFeX8vbVQ= =Iwr5 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From michal at harddata.com Sat Oct 4 14:24:15 2003 From: michal at harddata.com (Michal Jaegermann) Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 08:24:15 -0600 Subject: laptop install - screen gets white In-Reply-To: <001d01c38a44$546832f0$152ea8c0@august>; from Rainer.Hattenhauer@t-online.de on Sat, Oct 04, 2003 at 08:54:07AM +0200 References: <001d01c38a44$546832f0$152ea8c0@august> Message-ID: <20031004082415.A20337@mail.harddata.com> On Sat, Oct 04, 2003 at 08:54:07AM +0200, Rainer Hattenhauer wrote: > > since RH 9, I have the following problem when booting from installation CD 1 > and trying to perform an install on my laptop: > > After media check, when launching the anaconda installer, the screen of my > laptop is getting slowly white and remains in this state. It would be interesting to know what will happen if you will try to add 'nofb' to your boot options. Than means that most likely at a boot prompt you have to type "linux nofb". > Software: now using fedora test2 I know that in RH9 this option is not documented but exists and it has an effect (see bug #89722). No idea what is a status of it in test2. Michal From ossamak at nht.com.kw Sat Oct 4 14:41:14 2003 From: ossamak at nht.com.kw (Ossama Khayaat) Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 17:41:14 +0300 Subject: Grub stage1 file error Message-ID: <1F336C4559FF244A90D52EFEABE98AD607CC58@nimo.nhpro.kw> > /boot/grub/stage1 does not belong to any RPM package. It's copied > there upon installing the boot block. Do you have a separate /boot and > /usr partition? Did you mount every partition? Did you chroot into > your system? Did you re-install GRUB with the "grub-install" utility? I have only / partition and I used chroot /mnt/sysimage on the rescue console. I tried reinstalling grub by using 'grub-install /dev/had' but it told me that it couldn't read the file /boot/grub/stage1 So, what do you think? Ossama --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.522 / Virus Database: 320 - Release Date: 9/29/2003 From major at satx.rr.com Sat Oct 4 14:47:34 2003 From: major at satx.rr.com (major) Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 09:47:34 -0500 Subject: Grub stage1 file error In-Reply-To: <1F336C4559FF244A90D52EFEABE98AD607CC57@nimo.nhpro.kw>; from ossamak@nht.com.kw on Sat, Oct 04, 2003 at 05:21:34 -0500 References: <1F336C4559FF244A90D52EFEABE98AD607CC57@nimo.nhpro.kw> Message-ID: <20031004144734.GA6295@thesun.arcana> On 2003.10.04 05:21, Ossama Khayaat wrote: > Hi, > After installing fedora core on my Toshiba laptop and restarted, I > didn't get the boot screen. I'm sure I chose to install a boot loader > (grub). > Anyway, I booted with my first CD and use 'linux rescue' to install > the boot loader (just thought something is wrong). > It turned to be that file /boot/grub/stage1 couldn't be read! > I used 'rpm -V grub' and didn't get any error at all. > I tried removing and installing the package again, but still no use. > I checked the MD5SUM of the ISO images and they are also fine. > > Any suggestions? > > Regards, > Ossama Khayat I do not have Fedora Linux installed yet, but my experience with Red Hat Linux may be useful. A conceptual error is being made regarding what installing the GRUB rpm actually does. This error is fairly common since even the GRUB documentation uses the word "install" in two different ways. INSTALL #1: Installation of the rpm using "rpm -Uvh grub-XXX.rpm" or something similar places the various GRUB directories, executables, documentation, and other files appropriately so that they can be used later by the administrator to place the bootloader on whatever floppy or hard disk devices are required. Use "rpm -ql grub" to see which files were installed from the GRUB rpm. Use "rpm -q --scripts grub" to see any scripts that run before or after install, or before or after uninstall, which could alter those files. INSTALL #2: Copy the files "stage1", "stage2", and "*stage1_5" from "/ usr/share/grub/i386-redhat" or "/usr/share/grub/i386-pc" to "/boot/ grub". Create an appropriate "/boot/grub/grub.conf". Running the "grub" binary executable or the "grub-install" shell executable with the appropriate options and arguments installs the bootloader "stage 1" in the appropriate boot sector, the filesystem specific "stage 1.5" if needed in the following sectors, and any runtime-created files in "/ boot/grub". Use "info grub" or "info grub-install" to see the documentation. Installing the GRUB rpm does not affect the contents of "/boot/grub", which is why verifying that rpm does not show errors. Setup of the bootloader and the files in "/boot/grub" is usually done when the core distribution is first loaded from CDROMs and the distribution installer asks the administrator whether or not to setup GRUB, but this does not show details of what exactly happens. Beware that the use of "grub-install" is deprecated by the GRUB developers because it may not interact correctly with various BIOS versions on certain systems. Beware that the configuration file is named differently by the GRUB developers than by the Red Hat developers. The GRUB developers use "menu.lst", meaning "menu list", while the Red Hat developers use "grub.conf", meaning "GRUB configuration". A symbolic link from "menu. lst" to "grub.conf" can be used if one desires. Beware that some systems may use "/grub" instead of "/boot/grub". Also, beware that on Red Hat systems, the "redhat-logos" package places a compressed splash image file that is used during boot in "/boot/ grub". Red Hat altered the GRUB source code to accomodate the use of a splash image, "grub.conf" instead of "menu.lst", "i386-redhat" instead of "i386-pc", and other changes that may not be supported by the original GRUB developers. ----------------- major at satx.rr.com From cochranb at speakeasy.net Sat Oct 4 14:59:27 2003 From: cochranb at speakeasy.net (Robert L Cochran) Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2003 10:59:27 -0400 Subject: Grub stage1 file error In-Reply-To: <20031004144734.GA6295@thesun.arcana> References: <1F336C4559FF244A90D52EFEABE98AD607CC57@nimo.nhpro.kw> <20031004144734.GA6295@thesun.arcana> Message-ID: <3F7EE04F.4040505@speakeasy.net> I don't know why Grub didn't install correctly on your machine. The installer is usually good about doing that. My suggestion is to reinstall Fedora Core from scratch. You should be able to accept the default anaconda options. Just click 'next' to go to the next screen. All the Grub problems I've experienced are related to booting multiple operating systems. In the case of just a single OS (Fedora Core) you should be fine without changing any options at first. Later on, once you are booting successfully, and only if you need this, edit /boot/grub.conf to pass acpi=on to the kernel so your networking will work. Bob major wrote: > > On 2003.10.04 05:21, Ossama Khayaat wrote: > >> Hi, >> After installing fedora core on my Toshiba laptop and restarted, I >> didn't get the boot screen. I'm sure I chose to install a boot loader >> (grub). >> Anyway, I booted with my first CD and use 'linux rescue' to install >> the boot loader (just thought something is wrong). >> It turned to be that file /boot/grub/stage1 couldn't be read! >> I used 'rpm -V grub' and didn't get any error at all. >> I tried removing and installing the package again, but still no use. >> I checked the MD5SUM of the ISO images and they are also fine. >> >> Any suggestions? >> >> Regards, >> Ossama Khayat > > > I do not have Fedora Linux installed yet, but my experience with Red Hat > Linux may be useful. > > A conceptual error is being made regarding what installing the GRUB rpm > actually does. This error is fairly common since even the GRUB > documentation uses the word "install" in two different ways. > > INSTALL #1: Installation of the rpm using "rpm -Uvh grub-XXX.rpm" or > something similar places the various GRUB directories, executables, > documentation, and other files appropriately so that they can be used > later by the administrator to place the bootloader on whatever floppy or > hard disk devices are required. > Use "rpm -ql grub" to see which files were installed from the GRUB rpm. > Use "rpm -q --scripts grub" to see any scripts that run before or after > install, or before or after uninstall, which could alter those files. > > INSTALL #2: Copy the files "stage1", "stage2", and "*stage1_5" from "/ > usr/share/grub/i386-redhat" or "/usr/share/grub/i386-pc" to "/boot/ > grub". Create an appropriate "/boot/grub/grub.conf". Running the "grub" > binary executable or the "grub-install" shell executable with the > appropriate options and arguments installs the bootloader "stage 1" in > the appropriate boot sector, the filesystem specific "stage 1.5" if > needed in the following sectors, and any runtime-created files in "/ > boot/grub". > Use "info grub" or "info grub-install" to see the documentation. > > Installing the GRUB rpm does not affect the contents of "/boot/grub", > which is why verifying that rpm does not show errors. Setup of the > bootloader and the files in "/boot/grub" is usually done when the core > distribution is first loaded from CDROMs and the distribution installer > asks the administrator whether or not to setup GRUB, but this does not > show details of what exactly happens. > > Beware that the use of "grub-install" is deprecated by the GRUB > developers because it may not interact correctly with various BIOS > versions on certain systems. > > Beware that the configuration file is named differently by the GRUB > developers than by the Red Hat developers. The GRUB developers use > "menu.lst", meaning "menu list", while the Red Hat developers use > "grub.conf", meaning "GRUB configuration". A symbolic link from "menu. > lst" to "grub.conf" can be used if one desires. > > Beware that some systems may use "/grub" instead of "/boot/grub". > > Also, beware that on Red Hat systems, the "redhat-logos" package places > a compressed splash image file that is used during boot in "/boot/ > grub". Red Hat altered the GRUB source code to accomodate the use of a > splash image, "grub.conf" instead of "menu.lst", "i386-redhat" instead > of "i386-pc", and other changes that may not be supported by the > original GRUB developers. > > > ----------------- > major at satx.rr.com > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > -- Bob Cochran Greenbelt, Maryland, USA http://greenbeltcomputer.biz/ From marian at gg3d.com Sat Oct 4 15:06:06 2003 From: marian at gg3d.com (Mariusz =?iso-8859-2?Q?Smyku=B3a?=) Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2003 17:06:06 +0200 Subject: kernel-2.6.0-0.test6.1.48 Message-ID: <1065279966.4974.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> What with kernel-2.6.0-0.test6.1.48 for athlon processors? -- Mariusz 'marian' Smyku?a --------------------------------- jid/email: marian at t-system.com.pl --------------------------------- From fedora at warmcat.com Sat Oct 4 15:09:26 2003 From: fedora at warmcat.com (Andy Green) Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 16:09:26 +0100 Subject: kernel-2.6.0-0.test6.1.48 In-Reply-To: <1065279966.4974.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1065279966.4974.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <200310041609.27026.fedora@warmcat.com> On Saturday 04 October 2003 16:06, Mariusz Smyku?a wrote: > What with kernel-2.6.0-0.test6.1.48 for athlon processors? I noticed earlier they have gone from Arjan's page.... I'm actually running the athlon rpm on a server so I am also interested in any problems -Andy From pmatilai at welho.com Sat Oct 4 15:14:57 2003 From: pmatilai at welho.com (Panu Matilainen) Date: 04 Oct 2003 18:14:57 +0300 Subject: installing pine under fedora? In-Reply-To: <1877976.1065275823321.JavaMail.root@wamui03.slb.atl.earthlink.net> References: <1877976.1065275823321.JavaMail.root@wamui03.slb.atl.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <1065280496.3927.2.camel@chip.ath.cx> On Sat, 2003-10-04 at 16:57, Robert P. J. Day wrote: > i finally got around to putting fedora 0.94 on my system, and wanted > to re-install pine (yes, i really should find another mail client one of these > days), but trying to install the most recent version of pine gave me a > dependency error -- missing libcom_err.so.3. > > a quick check suggests that that library belongs to the kerberos libs, > but the fedora-shipped krb5-libs RPM contains no such thing. i'm supposing > i can try to install an earlier version of pine to try to beat this, but what have > others done to install pine under fedora? > > i'd rather not hack around, trying to match versions if there's an easier > solution. thanks. You need to rebuild pine for FC 0.94 and the spec needs a small modification because of moving of kerberos includes + libs: try rebuilding from this: http://fedora.laiskiainen.org/SRPMS.fdr/pine-4.44-19.90.0.fdr.1.src.rpm (sorry can't provide binaries right now, don't have FC 0.94 box at hand) - Panu - From ms-nospam-0306 at arcor.de Sat Oct 4 15:32:05 2003 From: ms-nospam-0306 at arcor.de (Michael Schwendt) Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 17:32:05 +0200 Subject: Grub stage1 file error In-Reply-To: <1F336C4559FF244A90D52EFEABE98AD607CC58@nimo.nhpro.kw> References: <1F336C4559FF244A90D52EFEABE98AD607CC58@nimo.nhpro.kw> Message-ID: <20031004173205.3d601cc4.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Sat, 4 Oct 2003 17:41:14 +0300, Ossama Khayaat wrote: > > /boot/grub/stage1 does not belong to any RPM package. It's copied > > there upon installing the boot block. Do you have a separate /boot and > > /usr partition? Did you mount every partition? Did you chroot into > > your system? Did you re-install GRUB with the "grub-install" utility? > > I have only / partition and I used chroot /mnt/sysimage on the rescue console. I tried reinstalling grub by using 'grub-install /dev/had' but it told me that it couldn't read the file /boot/grub/stage1 > > So, what do you think? Well, is the file there or not? I think you could post a listing of the contents of /boot/grub, check the permissions of the directory (must be writable), show that you really have a good installation of the grub package, and run grub-install --debug /dev/hda You could also try "grub-install --just-copy" and then list the contents of /boot/grub. The stage* files should be there. - -- Michael, who doesn't reply to top posts and complete quotes anymore. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/fuf10iMVcrivHFQRArZZAJ9SBrbc6+ttqHdWVUrKxnx5oMpqzACdGQEN MFxgWrrlOMQ8uav0xtJgqHo= =99br -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From terraformers at gmx.net Sat Oct 4 16:18:24 2003 From: terraformers at gmx.net (lars) Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 18:18:24 +0200 Subject: DRI missing! Message-ID: <200310041818.24561.terraformers@gmx.net> try deleting the "/usr/X11R6/lib/tls" dir and then say ldconfig the two gl libs in there are from the xfree-mesa-libgl package you can test if its working with "glxinfo" hope this helps, lars From Rainer.Hattenhauer at t-online.de Sat Oct 4 16:24:42 2003 From: Rainer.Hattenhauer at t-online.de (Rainer Hattenhauer) Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 18:24:42 +0200 Subject: laptop install - screen gets white Message-ID: <000c01c38a94$0905bdf0$152ea8c0@august> Hello Michal, >It would be interesting to know what will happen if you will try >to add 'nofb' to your boot options. Than means that most likely >at a boot prompt you have to type "linux nofb". Great! That did the trick... you saved me for doing boring work (plugging monitor in/out), cause I do reinstalls quite often, in fact every time a new release version is out there ;-) >I know that in RH9 this option is not documented but exists and it >has an effect (see bug #89722). No idea what is a status of it in >test2. Exactly the same as in RH9, as you can see. Perhaps I was to lazy searching for a solution, thank you Greetings Rainer From pmorgan at jcoverage.com Sat Oct 4 16:27:53 2003 From: pmorgan at jcoverage.com (Peter Morgan) Date: 04 Oct 2003 17:27:53 +0100 Subject: fedora core 0.94: jade not terminating In-Reply-To: <1065276245.5714.79.camel@sport.sunninghill.org> References: <1065276245.5714.79.camel@sport.sunninghill.org> Message-ID: <1065284873.5771.95.camel@sport.sunninghill.org> On Sat, 2003-10-04 at 15:04, Peter Morgan wrote: > I am using Fedora core 0.94, with all updates as of yesterday (kernel: > 2.4.22-1.2082.nptl). I am running jade as part of a larger ANT based Just did an up2date to kernel 2.4.22-1.2084.ntpl and my 'deadlock' has gone. Thanks, Peter. -- Peter Morgan +44 7739 806 222 From m.a.young at durham.ac.uk Sat Oct 4 16:35:04 2003 From: m.a.young at durham.ac.uk (M A Young) Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 17:35:04 +0100 (BST) Subject: installing pine under fedora? In-Reply-To: <1877976.1065275823321.JavaMail.root@wamui03.slb.atl.earthlink.net> Message-ID: On Sat, 4 Oct 2003, Robert P. J. Day wrote: > i finally got around to putting fedora 0.94 on my system, and wanted > to re-install pine (yes, i really should find another mail client one of > these days), but trying to install the most recent version of pine gave > me a dependency error -- missing libcom_err.so.3. > > a quick check suggests that that library belongs to the kerberos libs, > but the fedora-shipped krb5-libs RPM contains no such thing. i'm > supposing i can try to install an earlier version of pine to try to beat > this, but what have others done to install pine under fedora? This is a known bug https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=101982 libcom_err.so.3 was dropped from krb5-libs, but libcom_err.so.2 in e2fsprogs should work instead, you probably just need to alter the spec file slightly and rebuild. Michael Young From katzj at redhat.com Sat Oct 4 16:44:43 2003 From: katzj at redhat.com (Jeremy Katz) Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2003 12:44:43 -0400 Subject: screen resolution vs display In-Reply-To: <1065246947.8014.2.camel@tiger> References: <1065246947.8014.2.camel@tiger> Message-ID: <1065285883.1525.14.camel@edoras.local.net> On Sat, 2003-10-04 at 01:55, Louis Garcia wrote: > Anyone know the difference between 'preferences/screen resolution' and > 'system settings/display' capplets? The one under Preferences lets you set your preferred resolution for your user (and uses the XRandR extension to set it to that when you login). The one under System Settings sets the system-wide default resolution as well as lets you set other options relating to X configuration. Cheers, Jeremy From czar at czarc.net Sat Oct 4 17:21:45 2003 From: czar at czarc.net (Gene C.) Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 13:21:45 -0400 Subject: screen resolution vs display In-Reply-To: <1065285883.1525.14.camel@edoras.local.net> References: <1065246947.8014.2.camel@tiger> <1065285883.1525.14.camel@edoras.local.net> Message-ID: <200310041321.45821.czar@czarc.net> On Saturday 04 October 2003 12:44, Jeremy Katz wrote: > The one under Preferences lets you set your preferred resolution for > your user (and uses the XRandR extension to set it to that when you > login). The one under System Settings sets the system-wide default > resolution as well as lets you set other options relating to X > configuration. Mmmm ... that is a new feature I did no realize was there ... that individual login users could have different screen resolutions (if I understand what you said correctly). -- Gene From michal at harddata.com Sat Oct 4 17:47:31 2003 From: michal at harddata.com (Michal Jaegermann) Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 11:47:31 -0600 Subject: laptop install - screen gets white In-Reply-To: <000c01c38a94$0905bdf0$152ea8c0@august>; from Rainer.Hattenhauer@t-online.de on Sat, Oct 04, 2003 at 06:24:42PM +0200 References: <000c01c38a94$0905bdf0$152ea8c0@august> Message-ID: <20031004114731.B22717@mail.harddata.com> On Sat, Oct 04, 2003 at 06:24:42PM +0200, Rainer Hattenhauer wrote: > > >Than means that most likely > >at a boot prompt you have to type "linux nofb". > > Great! That did the trick... > > >I know that in RH9 this option is not documented but exists and it > >has an effect (see bug #89722). No idea what is a status of it in > >test2. > > Exactly the same as in RH9, as you can see. Hm, that bug is marked as CLOSED RAWHIDE. Are you sure that 'nofb' is still not mentioned in help? If not them maybe #89722 should be reopened. Michal From mhowell at northlink.com Sat Oct 4 17:56:03 2003 From: mhowell at northlink.com (Mark Howell) Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 10:56:03 -0700 Subject: problems updating from fedora 0.94 In-Reply-To: <20031003153217.F1566@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <000201c38aa0$c775ea60$6501a8c0@icontrolinc.com> [snip] > > > > and I see that up2date tries to install dbus-0.13-2, but I > don't see a > > newer version of dbus-qt. Is that missing from the channel? > > No, it got removed. You'll probably have to remove dbus-qt. > > Bill > Removing it made it possible to update the other dbus pkgs. Out of curiosity, any particular reason dbus-qt was removed? Cheers, Mark. From czar at czarc.net Sat Oct 4 18:00:09 2003 From: czar at czarc.net (Gene C.) Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 14:00:09 -0400 Subject: tailored message on gdm greeter screen Message-ID: <200310041400.09912.czar@czarc.net> I would like to put a tailored message on the gdm graphical greeter screen to indicate just which version of the system I am running -- I have multiple version installed on the same hardware and it is sometimes not clear which is running/has been booted. I tried using the Systems Settings/Login Screen tool for gdm setting but changing messages there seems to have no effect. Any ideas/tips? -- Gene From czar at czarc.net Sat Oct 4 18:24:08 2003 From: czar at czarc.net (Gene C.) Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 14:24:08 -0400 Subject: fedora documentation question/clarification Message-ID: <200310041424.08895.czar@czarc.net> When Red Hat marketed their Red Hat Linux product, one of the characteristics was that a set of manuals was included (hardcopy if you purchased the product and cdrom iso if you downloaded). From what I can see of Fedora Core, these manuals will not exist anymore (although I assume that they will be available for RHEL). True? False? Is there (or will there be) any effort (perhaps with non red Hat folks) to update these manuals as Fedora evolves. Given the Fedora Core approach, I cannort assume that Red Hat will spend any time updating these as Fedora evolves but there is/can be a need for at least some of the manuals to be updated for Fedora. -- Gene From traxtopel at fastmail.fm Sat Oct 4 18:34:29 2003 From: traxtopel at fastmail.fm (traxtopel) Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2003 20:34:29 +0200 Subject: fedora documentation question/clarification In-Reply-To: <200310041424.08895.czar@czarc.net> References: <200310041424.08895.czar@czarc.net> Message-ID: <1065292394.4309.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> http://fedora.redhat.com/projects/docs/ On Sat, 2003-10-04 at 20:24, Gene C. wrote: > When Red Hat marketed their Red Hat Linux product, one of the characteristics > was that a set of manuals was included (hardcopy if you purchased the product > and cdrom iso if you downloaded). From what I can see of Fedora Core, these > manuals will not exist anymore (although I assume that they will be available > for RHEL). > > True? False? > > Is there (or will there be) any effort (perhaps with non red Hat folks) to > update these manuals as Fedora evolves. Given the Fedora Core approach, I > cannort assume that Red Hat will spend any time updating these as Fedora > evolves but there is/can be a need for at least some of the manuals to be > updated for Fedora. -- traxtopel From 1midniterider at comcast.net Sat Oct 4 19:11:25 2003 From: 1midniterider at comcast.net (Marcus White) Date: 04 Oct 2003 15:11:25 -0400 Subject: Compaq Laptop Installation Message-ID: <1065294685.25324.65.camel@tbird> G'day, This may have been asked and answered earlier. I've installed Fedora Core 1 Beta 2 on a Compaq Armada M700 laptop with 128Mb RAM and 400Mhz CPU. After several attempts it installed via NFS image and the GUI install. In text mode it bombed for various reasons and different stages. Nothing consistent to pinpoint. At any rate, the problem I have and it started with RedHat 9 is that during the GUI start up the scroll/cap/num lock lights flash for about 1-2 minutes before the GUI is presented. The logs indicate "Keyboard timed out". Is this a known problem and is there a fix for it. -- Marcus White <1midniterider at comcast.net> From katzj at redhat.com Sat Oct 4 19:15:46 2003 From: katzj at redhat.com (Jeremy Katz) Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2003 15:15:46 -0400 Subject: screen resolution vs display In-Reply-To: <200310041321.45821.czar@czarc.net> References: <1065246947.8014.2.camel@tiger> <1065285883.1525.14.camel@edoras.local.net> <200310041321.45821.czar@czarc.net> Message-ID: <1065294941.1525.16.camel@edoras.local.net> On Sat, 2003-10-04 at 13:21, Gene C. wrote: > On Saturday 04 October 2003 12:44, Jeremy Katz wrote: > > The one under Preferences lets you set your preferred resolution for > > your user (and uses the XRandR extension to set it to that when you > > login). The one under System Settings sets the system-wide default > > resolution as well as lets you set other options relating to X > > configuration. > > Mmmm ... that is a new feature I did no realize was there ... that individual > login users could have different screen resolutions (if I understand what you > said correctly). Yep, that's exactly it. Jeremy From rpjday at mindspring.com Sat Oct 4 20:03:35 2003 From: rpjday at mindspring.com (Robert P. J. Day) Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 16:03:35 -0400 (EDT) Subject: nvidia and severn2 -- an alternative Message-ID: rather than messing with CC=gcc32 or IGNORE_CC_MISMATCH, here's an alternative way of installing your nvidia drivers (at least, it works for me, so i'm open to corrections/clarifications). download the latest nvidia driver from www.nvidia.com, NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-4496-pkg2.run. don't try to install it, just extract it into a directory with: $ sh NV...run --extract-only now, as root, "cd" into that directory and just run "make install". that should build the driver and install it. because you're actually compiling the driver, you're pretty likely to not have to worry about any compiler mismatches. but wait -- there's more. if you're running the 2.6.0-xxx kernel, go to www.minion.de, and grab the single diff file NVIDIA_kernel-1.0-4496-2.6.diff. (note: while i'm grateful for that site, i find the explanation there virtually incomprehensible.) apply that single diff file against the nvidia directory you extracted, in the subdirectory .../usr/src/nv, then create the single symlink Makefile -> Makefile.kbuild. return to the top level nvidia directory and, once again, # make install every time you boot under a new kernel, the previous nvidia module won't be any good, so just head back to your nvidia directory and rerun "make isntall". i use this constantly as i like to keep up with the 2.6.0 bk patches. thoughts? it's actually a pretty straightforward process once you get it down, it supports the 2.6,0 kernel, and i never have to mess with compiler version issues. rday From paul at all-the-johnsons.co.uk Sat Oct 4 20:46:30 2003 From: paul at all-the-johnsons.co.uk (Paul) Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2003 21:46:30 +0100 Subject: up2date Message-ID: <1065300390.24218.9.camel@T6.linux> Hi, I've installed test2 of Fedora on my laptop. It's rather groovy. However, I do have some questions, so please, bear with me. I realise it is beta software so problems may be encountered... Having followed the instructions on the rhn website, I can still not subscribe to up2date. All I get is that I cannot change my base channel. Is there any way to subscribe and start using up2date? I need to add exec-shield=0 to my kernel line in order to get to my desktop. I know this is something to do with module underruns/overruns, but is there any way to fix this as it's a bit damned annoying. Is it me, or is the current kernel slower that 2.4.20-20.9 from RH9? The whole desktop environment seems sluggish while the command line seems less responsive on some tasks. There is a problem with the panel. If I add a drawer and bung some launchers in there all seems fine. Soon after though, the icons are still there, but only activatable by moving the cursor onto the icon and hitting return. The mouse fails to launch the application. Has anyone else seen that? Other than these, it's yet another great step forward. TTFN Paul Scribus Developer -- One OS to fool them all One browser to find them One email client to bring them all And through security holes, blind them... From warlock_ba at hotmail.com Sat Oct 4 21:01:20 2003 From: warlock_ba at hotmail.com (Botoaca Andrei) Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2003 00:01:20 +0300 Subject: GDM and X messed up! Message-ID: I have installed KDE only (no gnome, only devel for it ... becuase i needed some libraries). Everything works ok. Buuuuuuuuuuuuuut! When I update GDM allways !!! (and I really mean allways), because it heapened the same on severn 1 (now severn 2), the hello/login thingie will not work anymore (it keeps mumbling smt about GNOME, and there IS NO GNOME!!! because I never needed that krappie thing. And the only thing in which I can login in graphic mode is de safe terminal! No KDE, no nada ... ( in 9.093 i owerwrited the Session with the Session.rpmsave which was made during update, and it quite worked, I mean no gdm running, but kdm instead (but that was fine by me to). And in the /etc/sysconfig/desktop I have "KDE" setting). Can anyone help me with this ?? ASAP ?! Because I am on windows (sorry I can't write it with smaller fonts, because I'm not proud of me ... but I can fix kernels, I can fix drivers, but the arhitecture of the XFree >=4 and the kdm,xdm,gdm thingie I don't get). Thanks a lot! Me _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From elwoo at videotron.ca Sat Oct 4 21:12:02 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2003 17:12:02 -0400 Subject: nvidia and severn2 -- an alternative In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200310041712.03107.elwoo@videotron.ca> On October 4, 2003 04:03 pm, Robert P. J. Day <"Robert P. J. Day" > wrote: > rather than messing with CC=gcc32 or IGNORE_CC_MISMATCH, here's an > alternative way of installing your nvidia drivers (at least, it works for > me, so i'm open to corrections/clarifications). > > download the latest nvidia driver from www.nvidia.com, > NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-4496-pkg2.run. don't try to install it, just extract > it into a directory with: > > $ sh NV...run --extract-only > > now, as root, "cd" into that directory and just run "make install". that > should build the driver and install it. because you're actually compiling > the driver, you're pretty likely to not have to worry about any compiler > mismatches. I guess this is a less "painful" way of installing the driver. Would I be correct in thinking, then, that I don't need to boot to runlevel 3, bla, bla, but instead, simply re-edit my X86Config file as usual? Thanks for this great tip! Elton ;-) -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From elwoo at videotron.ca Sat Oct 4 21:16:51 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2003 17:16:51 -0400 Subject: [FEDORA] Re: [FEDORA] Re: severin login failure after updating today In-Reply-To: <1065269618.11221.1.camel@gstpc.earthlink.net> References: <1065202028.4943.7.camel@gstpc.earthlink.net> <200310040027.35011.elwoo@videotron.ca> <1065269618.11221.1.camel@gstpc.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <200310041716.51466.elwoo@videotron.ca> On October 4, 2003 08:13 am, Gerry Tool > wrote: > > I run startx. At least Gnome now invokes my startup programs, BUT I > > *still* can't print, even doing test print as su root, I get NOTHING > > sent to the printer... :-( > > I suspect your printing problem is independent of the GDM crash > problem. I can print fine, but I use networked printers, not USB > connected printers. Gerry, I've done a complete clean instal, and I'm now downloading the latest stuff from RHN right now. Unfortunately, I seem to have NOT installed the beta GPG signatures on my HD, so I had to turn off security checking in rhn... :-( ... let's see if my print system is still functioning after the updates are done and I reboot the system. Elton. -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From elwoo at videotron.ca Sat Oct 4 21:27:34 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2003 17:27:34 -0400 Subject: nvidia and severn2 -- an alternative In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200310041727.34985.elwoo@videotron.ca> On October 4, 2003 04:03 pm, Robert P. J. Day <"Robert P. J. Day" > wrote: > rather than messing with CC=gcc32 or IGNORE_CC_MISMATCH, here's an > alternative way of installing your nvidia drivers (at least, it works for > me, so i'm open to corrections/clarifications). > > download the latest nvidia driver from www.nvidia.com, > NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-4496-pkg2.run. don't try to install it, just extract > it into a directory with: > > $ sh NV...run --extract-only > > now, as root, "cd" into that directory and just run "make install". that > should build the driver and install it. because you're actually compiling > the driver, you're pretty likely to not have to worry about any compiler > mismatches. ... not ss fast!! ... I *still* get this with the default Fedora Core kernel-2.4.22-1.2061.nptl ---> ]# make install cd usr/src/nv; make install make[1]: Entering directory `/home/abe/INSTALL/NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-4496-pkg2/usr/src/nv' You appear to be compiling the NVIDIA kernel module with a compiler different from the one that was used to compile the running kernel. This may be perfectly fine, but there are cases where this can lead to unexpected behaviour and system crashes. If you know what you are doing and want to override this check, you can do so by setting IGNORE_CC_MISMATCH. In any other case, set the CC environment variable to the name of the compiler that was used to compile the kernel. *** Failed cc sanity check. Bailing out! *** make[1]: *** [gcc-check] Error 1 make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/abe/INSTALL/NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-4496-pkg2/usr/src/nv' make: *** [kernel_module_install] Error 2 ---------------------------------------------------------------- With this kernel, it will NOT accept eport gcc=Gcc32, but only "export IGNORE_CC_MISMATCH=1". I'll see if your trick works with the *updated* kernel from RHN. Elton. -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From pp at ee.oulu.fi Sat Oct 4 21:56:19 2003 From: pp at ee.oulu.fi (Pekka Pietikainen) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 00:56:19 +0300 Subject: nvidia and severn2 -- an alternative In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20031004215619.GA28213@ee.oulu.fi> On Sat, Oct 04, 2003 at 04:03:35PM -0400, Robert P. J. Day wrote: > if you're running the 2.6.0-xxx kernel, go to www.minion.de, and grab > the single diff file NVIDIA_kernel-1.0-4496-2.6.diff. (note: while i'm > grateful for that site, i find the explanation there virtually > incomprehensible.) > i use this constantly as i like to keep up with the 2.6.0 bk patches. > Which reminds me, anyone else having problems with the minion.de stuff? It used to work with 2.6 without tweaking, but broke some time ago. It looks AGP related, if I actually disable AGP support (or enable NVAGP which doesn't get enabled due to agpgart being statically in the kernel) it works with a performance hit. I think it actually used NVAGP when it did work with 2.6... With agpgart I get a messed up text screen (fixable by setfont) and X consuming 99% CPU with Kernel Module 1.0-4496 Wed Jul 16 19:03:09 PDT 2003 Oct 1 21:27:24 connecting kernel: agpgart: Found an AGP 3.5 compliant device at 0000:00:00.0. Oct 1 21:27:24 connecting kernel: agpgart: Putting AGP V3 device at 0000:00:00. 0 into 8x mode Oct 1 21:27:24 connecting kernel: agpgart: Putting AGP V3 device at 0000:01:00. 0 into 8x mode Oct 1 21:27:25 connecting kernel: SysRq : SAK Oct 1 21:27:32 connecting kernel: Badness in pci_find_subsys at drivers/pci/sea rch.c:132 Oct 1 21:27:32 connecting kernel: Call Trace: Oct 1 21:27:32 connecting kernel: [] pci_find_subsys+0xc7/0xd0 Oct 1 21:27:32 connecting kernel: [] pci_find_device+0x2f/0x40 Oct 1 21:27:32 connecting kernel: [] pci_find_slot+0x28/0x50 Oct 1 21:27:32 connecting kernel: [] os_pci_init_handle+0x39/0x70 [nvidia] Oct 1 21:27:32 connecting kernel: [] __nvsym00057+0x1f/0x24 [nvidia] This is on a KT400, Ti4200 with AGP 8x support. -- Pekka Pietikainen From leam at reuel.net Sat Oct 4 22:02:26 2003 From: leam at reuel.net (leam) Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2003 18:02:26 -0400 Subject: Stack traces? Message-ID: <3F7F4372.4010001@reuel.net> Just hit a small bug and logged it in bugzilla. The responder was pretty quick, especially for a Saturday, but said they couldn't do much without a stace trace. Are the Fedora packages compiled so that you can get a stack trace? How, for those of us new here, does one do so? Pointers to a page are fine. ciao! leam been there, done that, wrote a recovery procedure. From thacker at math.cornell.edu Sat Oct 4 22:28:14 2003 From: thacker at math.cornell.edu (John Alexander Thacker) Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 18:28:14 -0400 Subject: nvidia and severn2 -- an alternative In-Reply-To: <200310041727.34985.elwoo@videotron.ca> References: <200310041727.34985.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <20031004222814.GA14947@thacker.dyndns.org> On Sat, Oct 04, 2003 at 05:27:34PM -0400, Elton Woo wrote: > ]# make install > cd usr/src/nv; make install > make[1]: Entering directory > `/home/abe/INSTALL/NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-4496-pkg2/usr/src/nv' > > You appear to be compiling the NVIDIA kernel module with > a compiler different from the one that was used to compile > the running kernel. This may be perfectly fine, but there > are cases where this can lead to unexpected behaviour and > system crashes. > > If you know what you are doing and want to override this > check, you can do so by setting IGNORE_CC_MISMATCH. > > In any other case, set the CC environment variable to the > name of the compiler that was used to compile the kernel. > > With this kernel, it will NOT accept eport gcc=Gcc32, but only > "export IGNORE_CC_MISMATCH=1". First off, the line should be "export GCC=gcc32" Capitalization is important. Secondly, you need to make sure that the gcc32 package is installed for "export GCC=gcc32" to work. Fedora Core doesn't install it by default, or at least doesn't add it to upgrades by default. Of course, gcc32 also needs to be in your PATH, but that shouldn't be a problem since it lands in /usr/bin anyway. I'm certain that "export GCC=gcc32" works perfectly on default Fedora Core with the NVIDIA drivers. I've done it. John Thacker From knxmay001 at mail.uct.ac.za Sat Oct 4 22:41:18 2003 From: knxmay001 at mail.uct.ac.za (Maynard Kuona) Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2003 00:41:18 +0200 Subject: fedora documentation question/clarification In-Reply-To: <1065292394.4309.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <200310041424.08895.czar@czarc.net> <1065292394.4309.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <3F7F4C8E.8080301@mail.uct.ac.za> traxtopel wrote: >http://fedora.redhat.com/projects/docs/ > >On Sat, 2003-10-04 at 20:24, Gene C. wrote: > > >>When Red Hat marketed their Red Hat Linux product, one of the characteristics >>was that a set of manuals was included (hardcopy if you purchased the product >>and cdrom iso if you downloaded). From what I can see of Fedora Core, these >>manuals will not exist anymore (although I assume that they will be available >>for RHEL). >> >>True? False? >> >>Is there (or will there be) any effort (perhaps with non red Hat folks) to >>update these manuals as Fedora evolves. Given the Fedora Core approach, I >>cannort assume that Red Hat will spend any time updating these as Fedora >>evolves but there is/can be a need for at least some of the manuals to be >>updated for Fedora. >> >> Are these ging to be anything like the Redhat 9 ones. Are the Redhat 9 ones going to be updated to Fedora, or does Fedora have to make its own new ones. I think the Rdhat 9 oones make a very good starting base for docs, although it shall be a hassle to maintain them given the speed at which Fedora is expectd to evolve. From knxmay001 at mail.uct.ac.za Sat Oct 4 22:59:45 2003 From: knxmay001 at mail.uct.ac.za (Maynard Kuona) Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2003 00:59:45 +0200 Subject: Ideas for a new Fedora apt/yum/up2date hierarchy Message-ID: <3F7F50E1.70403@mail.uct.ac.za> I was thinking. I do not always need to update to the latest versions of software "for the hell of it" especially if it is something I do not use much. But some things, like security updates I like to keep up to date with, pun not intended. So, I am proposing an idea for Fedora's repository heirarchy. It would be good to be able to apply only the security updates, so maybe these could have their own 'channel' for lack of better word. This is especially useful if you have minimal bandwidth, but would like security updates quite conveniently. One could also hae a cron job that checks for security updates. I do not know if there is a way of doing this with apt or yum or up2date, i.e, selecting a specific channel to download updates from. So maybe a little modification for apt would be in order, i.e, introduce apt-get upgrade to download all updates from a specific channel.To get security updates one would type apt-get upgrade security, or something like that. This should also not require a change on the server side too. From erik.orebro at telia.com Sat Oct 4 23:02:15 2003 From: erik.orebro at telia.com (Erik Englund) Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2003 01:02:15 +0200 Subject: nvidia and severn2 -- an alternative In-Reply-To: <200310041712.03107.elwoo@videotron.ca> References: <200310041712.03107.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <1065308535.4254.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sat, 2003-10-04 at 23:12, Elton Woo wrote: > I guess this is a less "painful" way of installing the driver. Would I > be correct in thinking, then, that I don't need to boot to runlevel 3, > bla, bla, but instead, simply re-edit my X86Config file as usual? > > Thanks for this great tip! > > Elton ;-) Or you do it even less painful, go into runlevel 3 (comon it's not that bad, sooner or later you have to do it), then run "NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-4496-pkg2.run --add-this-kernel", it will create "NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-4496-pkg2-custom.run", run it and then edit xf86config as it tell you to do and everything works fine (at least it did for me!) Erik From MSchwartz at MedAnalytics.com Sat Oct 4 23:14:32 2003 From: MSchwartz at MedAnalytics.com (Marc Schwartz) Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2003 18:14:32 -0500 Subject: Problem with new zlib-devel-1.2.0.7-1.i386.rpm dated 09-23-2003 Message-ID: <1065309272.4650.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> Greetings all, Subsequent to the recent run of updates from the RHN Severn 0.94 Beta Updates Channel, I had a problem compiling a new version of R (http://www.r-project.org/), which is a GPL math/stats application. After some review, with help from the R Core team, we have tracked down the likely source of the problem to a change in /usr/include/zlib.h in the new version. The text which is at lines 31 and 32 of the recent version is: #ifndef ZLIB_H #define ZLIB_H The prior version of the same file read: #ifndef _ZLIB_H #define _ZLIB_H (Note the preceding underscores). As a result, this breaks the code in the aforementioned application. I searched Bugzilla and did not identify anything filed against this. Can someone confirm that this is either a bug or an explicit change. If the former, I will file a bug. If the latter, can someone explain the change so I can pass it on to the R Core folks since they will have to make a change on their end as a result. Thanks, Marc Schwartz From cochranb at speakeasy.net Sat Oct 4 23:57:02 2003 From: cochranb at speakeasy.net (Robert L Cochran) Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2003 19:57:02 -0400 Subject: nvidia and severn2 -- an alternative In-Reply-To: <20031004222814.GA14947@thacker.dyndns.org> References: <200310041727.34985.elwoo@videotron.ca> <20031004222814.GA14947@thacker.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <3F7F5E4E.7090108@speakeasy.net> gcc32 is installed if you select the kernel development group of packages. Bob John Alexander Thacker wrote: > On Sat, Oct 04, 2003 at 05:27:34PM -0400, Elton Woo wrote: > >>]# make install >>cd usr/src/nv; make install >>make[1]: Entering directory >>`/home/abe/INSTALL/NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-4496-pkg2/usr/src/nv' >> >>You appear to be compiling the NVIDIA kernel module with >>a compiler different from the one that was used to compile >>the running kernel. This may be perfectly fine, but there >>are cases where this can lead to unexpected behaviour and >>system crashes. >> >>If you know what you are doing and want to override this >>check, you can do so by setting IGNORE_CC_MISMATCH. >> >>In any other case, set the CC environment variable to the >>name of the compiler that was used to compile the kernel. >> >>With this kernel, it will NOT accept eport gcc=Gcc32, but only >>"export IGNORE_CC_MISMATCH=1". > > > First off, the line should be > "export GCC=gcc32" > > Capitalization is important. > Secondly, you need to make sure that the gcc32 package is installed > for "export GCC=gcc32" to work. Fedora Core doesn't install it by > default, or at least doesn't add it to upgrades by default. Of course, > gcc32 also needs to be in your PATH, but that shouldn't be a problem > since it lands in /usr/bin anyway. > > I'm certain that "export GCC=gcc32" works perfectly on default Fedora > Core with the NVIDIA drivers. I've done it. > > John Thacker > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > -- Bob Cochran Greenbelt, Maryland, USA http://greenbeltcomputer.biz/ From 1midniterider at comcast.net Sun Oct 5 00:10:24 2003 From: 1midniterider at comcast.net (Marcus White) Date: 04 Oct 2003 20:10:24 -0400 Subject: Installation: redhat-config-packages program doesn't work properly Message-ID: <1065312623.25324.112.camel@tbird> G'day, When using "redhat-config-packages" with the "--isodir" command-line to install the "samba" packages the following error occured and failed to instaell the packages. ------------------- cut here -------------------------- Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/share/redhat-config-packages/AddDialog.py", line 338, in addDialogInstallButtonClicked iter = self.model.iter_children(self.optional_iter) AttributeError: 'AddDialog' object has no attribute 'optional_iter' -------------------- end cut ------------------------- This occurred with Fedora Core 1 Beta 2. The installation program works when more than just the required packages can be selected (ie KDE). One other quirk is in the wording on the package install window. The tip at the top of the window states that "A package group can have both standard and extra package members. ..." Yet in the list window it shows "Required packages" and "Optional Packages". This could possibly create confusion to the uninitiated. -- Marcus White <1midniterider at comcast.net> From cer09566 at students.fct.unl.pt Sun Oct 5 00:13:59 2003 From: cer09566 at students.fct.unl.pt (Carlos Rodrigues) Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2003 01:13:59 +0100 Subject: NUT configuration files permission problem Message-ID: <3F7F6247.6030506@students.fct.unl.pt> Hi! I downloaded the nut 1.4.0 package from severn2 and built it on redhat 9. I found that I can't run commands on my ups (among other things) because of the permissions of the configuration files, namely /etc/upsd.users which upsd says it can't read (it shows in /var/log/messages). Making it "-r--------" and owned by "nut:nut" fixes all problems. Aditionally upsd warns about upsd.conf being world readable (not an error though) and I changed the permissions to be the same as upsd.users and it appears to work fine. Although I'm seeing this in RedHat 9 I think the same thing may happen in Severn2. So the changes to the nut specfile are: -%config(noreplace) %attr(444,root,root) %{_sysconfdir}/ups/upsd.conf -%config(noreplace) %attr(400,root,root) %{_sysconfdir}/ups/upsd.users +%config(noreplace) %attr(400,nut,nut) %{_sysconfdir}/ups/upsd.conf +%config(noreplace) %attr(400,nut,nut) %{_sysconfdir}/ups/upsd.users For the sake of consistency and considering this (in ups.conf): # --- SECURITY NOTE --- # # If you use snmp-ups and set a community string in here, you # will have to secure this file to keep other users from obtaining # that string. It needs to be readable by upsdrvctl and any drivers, # and by upsd. I think that maybe ups.conf should also get the same permissions as the above mentioned files (I changed ups.conf permissions too and had no problems yet). Anyways, just a suggestion. -- Carlos Rodrigues email: cer09566 at students.fct.unl.pt url: http://crodrigues.webhop.net From glass-art at comcast.net Sun Oct 5 02:26:26 2003 From: glass-art at comcast.net (Clifford Snow) Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2003 19:26:26 -0700 Subject: Beta 2 - Evolution icon in panel Message-ID: <1065320786.3940.6.camel@blue.comcast.net> Just a minor issue, but I noticed that evolution does not have a name in properties. When you hover the mouse over the icon, "no name" appears. Does anyone else see the same thing? There doesn't appear to be a bug filled against this. Is this too picky to submit a bug for? And if submitted, does it get submitted against Evolution or gnome-panel or ?? Clifford glass-art at comcast.net From jgeorgeson at lopht.net Sun Oct 5 02:28:30 2003 From: jgeorgeson at lopht.net (Justin Georgeson) Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2003 21:28:30 -0500 Subject: gnome-icon-theme missing icons Message-ID: <3F7F81CE.4030504@lopht.net> It doesn't have any of the apps/redhat-* icons for sizes other than 48x48, so the over half the program groups on the menu don't have icons. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=106292 From erqu0001 at d.umn.edu Sun Oct 5 02:42:44 2003 From: erqu0001 at d.umn.edu (Santiago Erquicia) Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2003 21:42:44 -0500 Subject: RH applet crash when changing the theme Message-ID: <1065321764.3826.1.camel@argentina> Whenever I change my gnome theme the rhn applet crashes. I also see that up2date gui doesn't follow the gnome theme (at least gorilla one) Can anyone verify this in order to bugzilla it? Thanks From glass-art at comcast.net Sun Oct 5 03:09:30 2003 From: glass-art at comcast.net (Clifford Snow) Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2003 20:09:30 -0700 Subject: gnome-icon-theme missing icons In-Reply-To: <3F7F81CE.4030504@lopht.net> References: <3F7F81CE.4030504@lopht.net> Message-ID: <1065323370.3940.12.camel@blue.comcast.net> On Sat, 2003-10-04 at 19:28, Justin Georgeson wrote: > It doesn't have any of the apps/redhat-* icons for sizes other than > 48x48, so the over half the program groups on the menu don't have icons. > > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=106292 I see icons, although I didn't try to change from bluecurve to gnome. I have a mail icon on the panel that opens evolution but the name property wasn't populated. Minor issue, but it needs to be filled in for the final release. Clifford glass-art at comcast.net From ossamak at nht.com.kw Sun Oct 5 04:43:34 2003 From: ossamak at nht.com.kw (Ossama Khayaat) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 07:43:34 +0300 Subject: Grub stage1 file error Message-ID: <1F336C4559FF244A90D52EFEABE98AD60A416C@nimo.nhpro.kw> > -----Original Message----- > From: Robert L Cochran [mailto:cochranb at speakeasy.net] > Subject: Re: Grub stage1 file error > > I don't know why Grub didn't install correctly on your machine. The > installer is usually good about doing that. My suggestion is to > reinstall Fedora Core from scratch. You should be able to accept the > default anaconda options. Just click 'next' to go to the next screen. But this isn't a solution, i.e. to just reinstall from scratch! And I already accepted the default settings for grub. > All the Grub problems I've experienced are related to booting multiple > operating systems. In the case of just a single OS (Fedora Core) you > should be fine without changing any options at first. I've been using GRUB since version 7.3, and never had a problem with it, specially that I use multiple OSs (sometimes even more than one Linux distro). Furthermore, I used to configure it manually for multiple linux system, so I have no issue with it at all. > Later on, once you are booting successfully, and only if you need this, > edit /boot/grub.conf to pass acpi=on to the kernel so your networking > will work. Never had to do this as well, since the start. The problem here refers to the stage1 file. Thanks for your answer. Ossama From thacker at math.cornell.edu Sun Oct 5 04:43:46 2003 From: thacker at math.cornell.edu (John Alexander Thacker) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 00:43:46 -0400 Subject: nvidia and severn2 -- an alternative In-Reply-To: <3F7F5E4E.7090108@speakeasy.net> References: <200310041727.34985.elwoo@videotron.ca> <20031004222814.GA14947@thacker.dyndns.org> <3F7F5E4E.7090108@speakeasy.net> Message-ID: <20031005044346.GA17267@thacker.dyndns.org> On Sat, Oct 04, 2003 at 07:57:02PM -0400, Robert L Cochran wrote: > gcc32 is installed if you select the kernel development group of packages. Ah, I see. It does have to be manually added if you're upgrading, though. John Thacker From ramanan54 at hotmail.com Sun Oct 5 04:44:33 2003 From: ramanan54 at hotmail.com (VENKAT RAMANAN) Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2003 10:14:33 +0530 Subject: (no subject) Message-ID: after doing all the updates through up2date my login welcome screen is crashing . it reverts to the default faisafe gnome welcome screen. i am not able to start kde session as it again reverts to faisafe gnome welcome screen. Any idea how to restore it? ramanan _________________________________________________________________ Three simple steps. They guarantee your safety. http://server1.msn.co.in/features/general/SMBvirus/index.asp Protect yourself against the SMB.EXE virus. From tdiehl at rogueind.com Sun Oct 5 04:55:14 2003 From: tdiehl at rogueind.com (Tom Diehl) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 00:55:14 -0400 (EDT) Subject: login screen crashing In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sun, 5 Oct 2003, VENKAT RAMANAN wrote: > after doing all the updates through up2date my login welcome screen is > crashing . it reverts to the default faisafe gnome welcome screen. i am not > able to start kde session as it again reverts to faisafe gnome welcome > screen. Any idea how to restore it? Not yet but I am seeing the same thing here. I just have not had the time to investigate it yet. You might want to file this in bugzilla. It seems to be some kind of bug since I/we had working systems b4 the upgrade. If you do bugzilla it please let me know the number. -- ......Tom Registered Linux User #14522 http://counter.li.org tdiehl at rogueind.com My current SpamTrap -------> mtd123 at rogueind.com From ryan at boren.nu Sun Oct 5 05:13:48 2003 From: ryan at boren.nu (Ryan Boren) Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2003 00:13:48 -0500 Subject: login screen crashing In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1065330828.2686.2.camel@portnoy.fuzzybelly.org> On Sat, 2003-10-04 at 23:55, Tom Diehl wrote: > On Sun, 5 Oct 2003, VENKAT RAMANAN wrote: > > > after doing all the updates through up2date my login welcome screen is > > crashing . it reverts to the default faisafe gnome welcome screen. i am not > > able to start kde session as it again reverts to faisafe gnome welcome > > screen. Any idea how to restore it? > > Not yet but I am seeing the same thing here. I just have not had the time to > investigate it yet. > > You might want to file this in bugzilla. It seems to be some kind of bug since > I/we had working systems b4 the upgrade. If you do bugzilla it please let me > know the number. Already filed: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=106189 And discussed: http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/2003-October/msg00287.html Ryan From nu1sg at yahoo.com Sun Oct 5 05:21:30 2003 From: nu1sg at yahoo.com (Daniel Durgin) Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 22:21:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: redhat-printer-config-gui and SMB printers Message-ID: <20031005052130.37371.qmail@web11803.mail.yahoo.com> Maybe I missed it but is any one else having problems with the GUI printer setup? I am running fedora 2 and trying to print to a cannon i850. I can do it fine in RHL 9. Unforutunately, now the program locks up when tring to specify the printer on a windows machine. - Dan __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From hp at redhat.com Sun Oct 5 06:13:17 2003 From: hp at redhat.com (Havoc Pennington) Date: 05 Oct 2003 02:13:17 -0400 Subject: Fedora Core Test 2 full screen issues In-Reply-To: References: <1064967230.20039.4.camel@keelie.tampabay.rr.com> <1064979909.13480.131.camel@dhcppc3> Message-ID: <1065334397.2226.100.camel@dhcppc3> On Wed, 2003-10-01 at 00:40, Chris Ricker wrote: > On Tue, 30 Sep 2003, Havoc Pennington wrote: > > > On Tue, 2003-09-30 at 20:13, Jim Drabb wrote: > > > Can anyone run mpalyer/gmplayer in full screen under 0.94 in Gnome? It > > > used to work fine in RH 9. I tried to watch a DVD and an mpeg at full > > > screen, however the panel at the top of the screen stays on top. If I > > > remove that panel and put it anywhere else, it works fine. Are there > > > any settings to make this panel NOT topmost? > > > > > > > It's just a bug, unclear if it's metacity or mplayer at fault. > > with other window managers (I'm back to openbox -- tired of fighting > metacity's broken focus-follows-mouse), it doesn't have this problem > FWIW, this doesn't mean much. Essentially prior to the EWMH spec introducing _NET_WM_STATE_FULLSCREEN, there was no defined way to do fullscreen mode and the media players each have a different stack of race-condition-prone broken hacks. They happen to work or not work with different WMs. Some of the media players even contain if (wm == "foo") type of code that hacks around specific WMs. The new _NET_WM_STATE_FULLSCREEN feature of the EWMH spec allows things to work in a well-defined standard way, but some kinks aren't worked out yet. Just an "if anyone is interested" digression, I do think this problem is a metacity issue (which may be fixed in 2.6.2 though I'm not sure). Havoc From ozkan at pixelicon.net Sun Oct 5 08:08:57 2003 From: ozkan at pixelicon.net (Ozkan ALTUNER) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 11:08:57 +0300 Subject: Boot Problem Message-ID: <200310050809.h95890129586@mx1.redhat.com> Hi, I downloaded and installed severn. After successful installation it doesn't boot at all. I see the graphical boot screen but when it comes to "starting printing system" it hangs. How can i solve it? Thanks, Ozkan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rpjday at mindspring.com Sun Oct 5 08:28:22 2003 From: rpjday at mindspring.com (Robert P. J. Day) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 04:28:22 -0400 (EDT) Subject: nvidia and severn2 -- an alternative In-Reply-To: <200310041712.03107.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: On Sat, 4 Oct 2003, Elton Woo wrote: > On October 4, 2003 04:03 pm, Robert P. J. Day <"Robert P. J. Day" > > wrote: > > rather than messing with CC=gcc32 or IGNORE_CC_MISMATCH, here's an > > alternative way of installing your nvidia drivers (at least, it works for > > me, so i'm open to corrections/clarifications). > > > > download the latest nvidia driver from www.nvidia.com, > > NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-4496-pkg2.run. don't try to install it, just extract > > it into a directory with: > > > > $ sh NV...run --extract-only > > > > now, as root, "cd" into that directory and just run "make install". that > > should build the driver and install it. because you're actually compiling > > the driver, you're pretty likely to not have to worry about any compiler > > mismatches. > I guess this is a less "painful" way of installing the driver. Would I > be correct in thinking, then, that I don't need to boot to runlevel 3, > bla, bla, but instead, simply re-edit my X86Config file as usual? > > Thanks for this great tip! yes, i guess i should have mentioned that i have the same XF86Config file i've had for a while. and when i do a complete re-install, i just move that file to a safe place, and copy it back after the install. it's not so much less painful as that it works for the 2.6.0 kernel once you apply the patch. rday From rpjday at mindspring.com Sun Oct 5 08:29:47 2003 From: rpjday at mindspring.com (Robert P. J. Day) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 04:29:47 -0400 (EDT) Subject: nvidia and severn2 -- an alternative In-Reply-To: <200310041712.03107.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: On Sat, 4 Oct 2003, Elton Woo wrote: > On October 4, 2003 04:03 pm, Robert P. J. Day <"Robert P. J. Day" > > wrote: > > rather than messing with CC=gcc32 or IGNORE_CC_MISMATCH, here's an > > alternative way of installing your nvidia drivers (at least, it works for > > me, so i'm open to corrections/clarifications). > > > > download the latest nvidia driver from www.nvidia.com, > > NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-4496-pkg2.run. don't try to install it, just extract > > it into a directory with: > > > > $ sh NV...run --extract-only > > > > now, as root, "cd" into that directory and just run "make install". that > > should build the driver and install it. because you're actually compiling > > the driver, you're pretty likely to not have to worry about any compiler > > mismatches. > I guess this is a less "painful" way of installing the driver. Would I > be correct in thinking, then, that I don't need to boot to runlevel 3, > bla, bla, but instead, simply re-edit my X86Config file as usual? oh, wait a sec, i see what you mean. you *do* have to get out of X for this to work, as the "make install" does try to remove and reload the nvidia module. so, no, you can't do this from X. is that what you were asking? rday From rpjday at mindspring.com Sun Oct 5 08:32:41 2003 From: rpjday at mindspring.com (Robert P. J. Day) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 04:32:41 -0400 (EDT) Subject: nvidia and severn2 -- an alternative In-Reply-To: <200310041727.34985.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: On Sat, 4 Oct 2003, Elton Woo wrote: > On October 4, 2003 04:03 pm, Robert P. J. Day <"Robert P. J. Day" > > wrote: > > rather than messing with CC=gcc32 or IGNORE_CC_MISMATCH, here's an > > alternative way of installing your nvidia drivers (at least, it works for > > me, so i'm open to corrections/clarifications). > > > > download the latest nvidia driver from www.nvidia.com, > > NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-4496-pkg2.run. don't try to install it, just extract > > it into a directory with: > > > > $ sh NV...run --extract-only > > > > now, as root, "cd" into that directory and just run "make install". that > > should build the driver and install it. because you're actually compiling > > the driver, you're pretty likely to not have to worry about any compiler > > mismatches. > ... not ss fast!! ... I *still* get this with the default Fedora Core > kernel-2.4.22-1.2061.nptl ---> > > ]# make install > cd usr/src/nv; make install > make[1]: Entering directory > `/home/abe/INSTALL/NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-4496-pkg2/usr/src/nv' > > You appear to be compiling the NVIDIA kernel module with > a compiler different from the one that was used to compile > the running kernel. This may be perfectly fine, but there > are cases where this can lead to unexpected behaviour and > system crashes. oh, darn, you're right. i haven't seen that message in a while since i'm constantly updating 2.6.0 kernels so that my current kernel is *always* in sync with my installed gcc. rats. ok, so my trick is still good for working with the 2.6.0 kernel. argh. rday From rpjday at mindspring.com Sun Oct 5 08:36:06 2003 From: rpjday at mindspring.com (Robert P. J. Day) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 04:36:06 -0400 (EDT) Subject: nvidia and severn2 -- an alternative In-Reply-To: <20031004215619.GA28213@ee.oulu.fi> Message-ID: On Sun, 5 Oct 2003, Pekka Pietikainen wrote: > On Sat, Oct 04, 2003 at 04:03:35PM -0400, Robert P. J. Day wrote: > > if you're running the 2.6.0-xxx kernel, go to www.minion.de, and grab > > the single diff file NVIDIA_kernel-1.0-4496-2.6.diff. (note: while i'm > > grateful for that site, i find the explanation there virtually > > incomprehensible.) > > i use this constantly as i like to keep up with the 2.6.0 bk patches. > > > Which reminds me, anyone else having problems with the minion.de stuff? no, it's been working for me for a while. once you --extract-only the latest (4496) nvidia package, just apply that single patch from www.minion.de, and take it from there. this has worked for me (geforce2go chip) for a long time now, along with the same tweaked XF86Config file i haven't needed to change for the longest time either. rday From rpjday at mindspring.com Sun Oct 5 08:47:52 2003 From: rpjday at mindspring.com (Robert P. J. Day) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 04:47:52 -0400 (EDT) Subject: nvidia and severn2 -- an alternative In-Reply-To: <1065308535.4254.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On Sun, 5 Oct 2003, Erik Englund wrote: > On Sat, 2003-10-04 at 23:12, Elton Woo wrote: > > I guess this is a less "painful" way of installing the driver. Would I > > be correct in thinking, then, that I don't need to boot to runlevel 3, > > bla, bla, but instead, simply re-edit my X86Config file as usual? > > > > Thanks for this great tip! > > > > Elton ;-) > > Or you do it even less painful, go into runlevel 3 (comon it's not that > bad, sooner or later you have to do it), then run > "NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-4496-pkg2.run --add-this-kernel", it will create > "NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-4496-pkg2-custom.run", run it and then edit > xf86config as it tell you to do and everything works fine (at least it > did for me!) ok, i hadn't even seen that one. the process is clearly evolving. rday From rpjday at mindspring.com Sun Oct 5 09:09:42 2003 From: rpjday at mindspring.com (Robert P. J. Day) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 05:09:42 -0400 (EDT) Subject: getting pine to run under fedora 0.94 -- a couple issues Message-ID: a couple issues regarding getting pine to run under fedora 0.94. as i found out, you can't just download and re-install a recent pine binary RPM on to fedora, as the kerberos libs have changed and don't supply the required libcom_err.so.3 that pine is looking for. so, in case you're trying to do just that, here's what seems to work. provided you don't need kerberos support in pine, grab a source RPM and install it: # rpm -ivh pine...src.rpm go to the install directory, edit the pine.spec file, and add the line %define nokerberos 1 save, exit, and # rpmbuild -bb pine.spec that should give you a usable pine binary rpm. and the second point. when i asked about this on another list, i'm sure i was pointed to a filed bugzilla entry on this. just now, i tried to query for this report, but was utterly unable to find it. i tried to be as general as possible, "fedora", "test2", didn't even specify a status or anything. but got no hits. can someone provide the magic incantation that would have produced this bug report, based on the relevant keywords? sometimes, bugzilla can be maddeningly non-productive. rday From fedora at warmcat.com Sun Oct 5 09:19:10 2003 From: fedora at warmcat.com (Andy Green) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 10:19:10 +0100 Subject: Alsa probs? Message-ID: <200310051019.10496.fedora@warmcat.com> Hi - Compiled and installed latest alsa drivers/utils/tools on severn... did ./snddevices and ./utils/alsaconf. This seems to get me a working alsa setup, I can play mp3s through xmms set for alsa9 output (after adding the appropriate rpms). I used the gnome-volume-control applet to change the volume (and met the existing bug https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=105802 So everything is good except.... alsamixer segfaults on startup [root at localhost alsa-driver-0.9.7a]# alsamixer Segmentation fault I looked in bugzilla for anything mentioning alsa but there is nothing. Alsactl seems to work okay. [root at localhost alsa-driver-0.9.7a]# cat /proc/asound/cards 0 [PCI ]: Maestro3 - ESS Maestro3 PCI ESS Maestro3 PCI at 0xec00, irq 5 [root at localhost alsa-driver-0.9.7a]# cat /proc/asound/devices 0: [0- 0]: ctl 16: [0- 0]: digital audio playback 24: [0- 0]: digital audio capture 33: : timer [root at localhost alsa-driver-0.9.7a]# cat /etc/modules.conf # --- BEGIN: Generated by ALSACONF, do not edit. --- # --- ALSACONF verion 0.9.0 --- alias char-major-116 snd alias snd-card-0 snd-maestro3 alias char-major-14 soundcore alias sound-slot-0 snd-card-0 alias sound-service-0-0 snd-mixer-oss alias sound-service-0-1 snd-seq-oss alias sound-service-0-3 snd-pcm-oss alias sound-service-0-8 snd-seq-oss alias sound-service-0-12 snd-pcm-oss options snd major=116 cards_limit=1 options snd-maestro3 index=0 # --- END: Generated by ALSACONF, do not edit. --- alias eth0 3c59x alias usb-controller usb-uhci Nothing is generated in /var/log/messages for each segfault in alsamixer. does this sound like something I should bug... bit suspicious I couldn't find anything mentioning alsa in Bugzilla? -Andy From alastair at linuxexperience.com Sun Oct 5 09:47:33 2003 From: alastair at linuxexperience.com (Alastair Porter) Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2003 22:47:33 +1300 Subject: Alsa probs? In-Reply-To: <200310051019.10496.fedora@warmcat.com> References: <200310051019.10496.fedora@warmcat.com> Message-ID: <1065347253.19428.1.camel@Eccles> On Sun, 2003-10-05 at 22:19, Andy Green wrote: > So everything is good except.... alsamixer segfaults on startup > > [root at localhost alsa-driver-0.9.7a]# alsamixer > Segmentation fault Turning off exec-shield fixes this. echo 0 >/proc/sys/kernel/exec-shield You also have to turn it off if you want to use the xmms-alsa plugin Alastair -- (o< - A l a s t a i r P o r t e r //\ V_/_ alastair at linuxexperience.com From paul at all-the-johnsons.co.uk Sun Oct 5 09:53:49 2003 From: paul at all-the-johnsons.co.uk (Paul) Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2003 10:53:49 +0100 Subject: Alsa probs? In-Reply-To: <1065347253.19428.1.camel@Eccles> References: <200310051019.10496.fedora@warmcat.com> <1065347253.19428.1.camel@Eccles> Message-ID: <1065347629.13526.19.camel@T6.linux> Hi, > > [root at localhost alsa-driver-0.9.7a]# alsamixer > > Segmentation fault > Turning off exec-shield fixes this. > echo 0 >/proc/sys/kernel/exec-shield This can also be done at boot up. Edit the kernel= line to include at the end exec-shield=0 then boot. It seems to me that this exec-shield is causing more problems that it is worth. If I don't turn it off, I can't hit the desktop. TTFN Paul -- One OS to fool them all One browser to find them One email client to bring them all And through security holes, blind them... From fedora at warmcat.com Sun Oct 5 09:58:06 2003 From: fedora at warmcat.com (Andy Green) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 10:58:06 +0100 Subject: Alsa probs? In-Reply-To: <1065347253.19428.1.camel@Eccles> References: <200310051019.10496.fedora@warmcat.com> <1065347253.19428.1.camel@Eccles> Message-ID: <200310051058.06451.fedora@warmcat.com> On Sunday 05 October 2003 10:47, Alastair Porter wrote: > > [root at localhost alsa-driver-0.9.7a]# alsamixer > > Segmentation fault > > Turning off exec-shield fixes this. > echo 0 >/proc/sys/kernel/exec-shield Thanks Alastair, that does make the segfault go away. > You also have to turn it off if you want to use the xmms-alsa > plugin That actually seems to work for me if I set /proc/sys/kernel/exec-shield to 1 or 0, whereas alsamixer is only happy at 0 as you say. Thanks again for the tip. Should I bug this do you think, or is Exec Shield doing its job and the problem is in alsamixer? Since Alsa is in the kernel for 2.6 I was a bit surprised that the OSS driver was installed by default in Fedora Core Beta 2. -Andy From alastair at linuxexperience.com Sun Oct 5 10:19:31 2003 From: alastair at linuxexperience.com (Alastair Porter) Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2003 23:19:31 +1300 Subject: Alsa probs? In-Reply-To: <200310051058.06451.fedora@warmcat.com> References: <200310051019.10496.fedora@warmcat.com> <1065347253.19428.1.camel@Eccles> <200310051058.06451.fedora@warmcat.com> Message-ID: <1065349170.19428.6.camel@Eccles> On Sun, 2003-10-05 at 22:58, Andy Green wrote: > That actually seems to work for me if I set > /proc/sys/kernel/exec-shield to 1 or 0, whereas alsamixer is only > happy at 0 as you say. $ cat /proc/sys/kernel/exec-shield 1 $ xmms Segmentation fault No luck for me > Thanks again for the tip. Should I bug this do you think, or is Exec > Shield doing its job and the problem is in alsamixer? Ive heard that its really a problem in alsamixer and they should fix it, because turning it off does weird things to emacs ;-) Alastair -- (o< - A l a s t a i r P o r t e r //\ V_/_ alastair at linuxexperience.com From rpjday at mindspring.com Sun Oct 5 11:35:51 2003 From: rpjday at mindspring.com (Robert P. J. Day) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 07:35:51 -0400 (EDT) Subject: logistics related to moving up to the 2.6.0-test kernel Message-ID: from what i can tell, it's getting progressively easier to drop in a 2.6.0-test kernel these days, so i just wanted to make some observations and ask some questions in order to summarize the process. feedback always appreciated. newer RPMs ---------- it appears that there's no longer any need to get newer (rawhide) versions of things like modutils, initscripts, etc. the versions in fedora 0.94 seem to work fine. does this sound about right? USB support ----------- once upon a time, you would have wanted to edit the /etc/rc.sysinit file and change the lines similar to: action $"Initializing USB keyboard: " modprobe keybdev 2> /dev/null action $"Initializing USB mouse: " modprobe mousedev 2> /dev/null so that the module names were no longer keybdev and mousedev, but were usbkbd and usbmouse. now that doesn't appear to be necessary anymore. in fact, it *appears* that you can remove those two lines entirely. from running "make xconfig", it looks like all you have to do is select "USB", then input device support, with which you get basic mouse and keyboard support automatically. i don't see separate config options for mouse and keyboard, so i'm suspecting these two lines can just be removed. can anyone confirm/deny that? /etc/rc.sysinit --------------- there are a number of other changes that can be made to this file. one is to change all occurrences of /proc/ksyms -> /proc/kallsyms more to come later, particularly activating "sysfs". rday From jaap_haitsma at zonnet.nl Sun Oct 5 11:47:45 2003 From: jaap_haitsma at zonnet.nl (Jaap A. Haitsma) Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2003 13:47:45 +0200 Subject: Graphical boot issues: a.o. graphical boot twice slower then text boot!!! Message-ID: <3F8004E1.7020808@zonnet.nl> Hi, I've installed Severn including all the updates (except Mozilla because mozilla mail seems to freeze according to all the posts on this list after updating) on my laptop (A Dell Latitude C600). First thing I noticed that booting was a lot slower (I even thought the init script was frozen). Then I changed the GRAPHICAL_BOOT variable in /etc/syconfig/init to no. Booting time reduced from 2 minutes till 1 minute. The problem seems to be the kudzu service, which probes for new devices. If I disable the kudzu service a graphical boot takes also 1 minute. Anybody experiencing the same thing? Other problem with graphical boot, when I push "I" for an interactive init the system freezes after completing about 25% of the progress bar Another feature I would like to see in the graphical boot that it gives feedback when something fails. I made a small mistake when entering my USB pen-drive in /etc/fstab: I forgot the noauto option. So the text boot was complaining that it didn't see the pen drive when I didn't have it plugged in. The graphical boot didn't say anything Jaap From alastair at linuxexperience.com Sun Oct 5 10:17:18 2003 From: alastair at linuxexperience.com (Alastair Porter) Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2003 23:17:18 +1300 Subject: Alsa probs? In-Reply-To: <1065347629.13526.19.camel@T6.linux> References: <200310051019.10496.fedora@warmcat.com> <1065347253.19428.1.camel@Eccles> <1065347629.13526.19.camel@T6.linux> Message-ID: <1065349038.19428.3.camel@Eccles> On Sun, 2003-10-05 at 22:53, Paul wrote: > This can also be done at boot up. Edit the kernel= line to include at > the end > > exec-shield=0 Ah, i was looking for a way to do this at boot :-) *adds to grub.conf now* Cheers, Alastair -- (o< - A l a s t a i r P o r t e r //\ V_/_ alastair at linuxexperience.com From felipe_alfaro at linuxmail.org Sun Oct 5 12:07:05 2003 From: felipe_alfaro at linuxmail.org (Felipe Alfaro Solana) Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2003 14:07:05 +0200 Subject: logistics related to moving up to the 2.6.0-test kernel In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1065355625.1385.3.camel@teapot.felipe-alfaro.com> On Sun, 2003-10-05 at 13:35, Robert P. J. Day wrote: > newer RPMs > ---------- > > it appears that there's no longer any need to get newer (rawhide) > versions of things like modutils, initscripts, etc. the versions > in fedora 0.94 seem to work fine. does this sound about right? Yep! modutils from Fedora 0.94 do support 2.6 kernels. > USB support > ----------- > > once upon a time, you would have wanted to edit the /etc/rc.sysinit > file and change the lines similar to: > > action $"Initializing USB keyboard: " modprobe keybdev 2> /dev/null > action $"Initializing USB mouse: " modprobe mousedev 2> /dev/null > > so that the module names were no longer keybdev and mousedev, but > were usbkbd and usbmouse. now that doesn't appear to be necessary > anymore. in fact, it *appears* that you can remove those two lines > entirely. > > from running "make xconfig", it looks like all you have to do is > select "USB", then input device support, with which you get basic > mouse and keyboard support automatically. i don't see separate > config options for mouse and keyboard, so i'm suspecting these > two lines can just be removed. can anyone confirm/deny that? Confirmed! USB mouse and keyboard do only require kernel HID support. The old usbkdb and usbmouse modules are no longer required, so you can safely remove those lines. From jaap_haitsma at zonnet.nl Sun Oct 5 12:17:42 2003 From: jaap_haitsma at zonnet.nl (Jaap A. Haitsma) Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2003 14:17:42 +0200 Subject: redhat-log-viewer does not work properly Message-ID: <3F800BE6.7050303@zonnet.nl> Hi, When I start the redhat-log-viewer from the Applications menu (System Tools /Logviewer) I have to type in the root password and then nothing happens. However if I login as root in a terminal and then lauch it from the terminal it works. Any ideas? Anybody experiencing the same thing? Jaap From cochranb at speakeasy.net Sun Oct 5 12:20:15 2003 From: cochranb at speakeasy.net (Robert L Cochran) Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2003 08:20:15 -0400 Subject: Grub stage1 file error In-Reply-To: <1F336C4559FF244A90D52EFEABE98AD60A416C@nimo.nhpro.kw> References: <1F336C4559FF244A90D52EFEABE98AD60A416C@nimo.nhpro.kw> Message-ID: <3F800C7F.8040502@speakeasy.net> Yes I know, it seems odd to be told to do it again from scratch. But this is a beta release. You don't seem to have found a solution to the issue you are having yet. Sometimes doing it all over again tells you if it is really a reproducible problem. I haven't yet had a problem with grub during this beta, but I haven't been very active either. Most of my attention is going into experimenting with wireless networking. You have probably done more with the beta than I. Bob Ossama Khayaat wrote: >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Robert L Cochran [mailto:cochranb at speakeasy.net] >>Subject: Re: Grub stage1 file error >> >>I don't know why Grub didn't install correctly on your machine. The >>installer is usually good about doing that. My suggestion is to >>reinstall Fedora Core from scratch. You should be able to accept the >>default anaconda options. Just click 'next' to go to the next screen. > > > But this isn't a solution, i.e. to just reinstall from scratch! And I > already accepted the default settings for grub. > > >>All the Grub problems I've experienced are related to booting multiple >>operating systems. In the case of just a single OS (Fedora Core) you >>should be fine without changing any options at first. > > > I've been using GRUB since version 7.3, and never had a problem with it, > specially that I use multiple OSs (sometimes even more than one Linux > distro). Furthermore, I used to configure it manually for multiple linux > system, so I have no issue with it at all. > > >>Later on, once you are booting successfully, and only if you need > > this, > >>edit /boot/grub.conf to pass acpi=on to the kernel so your networking >>will work. > > > Never had to do this as well, since the start. > The problem here refers to the stage1 file. > > Thanks for your answer. > Ossama > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > -- Bob Cochran Greenbelt, Maryland, USA http://greenbeltcomputer.biz/ From cochranb at speakeasy.net Sun Oct 5 12:23:30 2003 From: cochranb at speakeasy.net (Robert L Cochran) Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2003 08:23:30 -0400 Subject: getting pine to run under fedora 0.94 -- a couple issues In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3F800D42.6070701@speakeasy.net> Where are you getting the source RPM from? I like Pine myself. Bob Robert P. J. Day wrote: > a couple issues regarding getting pine to run under fedora 0.94. as i > found out, you can't just download and re-install a recent pine binary RPM > on to fedora, as the kerberos libs have changed and don't supply the > required libcom_err.so.3 that pine is looking for. so, in case you're > trying to do just that, here's what seems to work. > > provided you don't need kerberos support in pine, grab a source > RPM and install it: > > # rpm -ivh pine...src.rpm > > go to the install directory, edit the pine.spec file, and add the line > > %define nokerberos 1 > > save, exit, and > > # rpmbuild -bb pine.spec > > that should give you a usable pine binary rpm. and the second point. > > when i asked about this on another list, i'm sure i was pointed to a > filed bugzilla entry on this. just now, i tried to query for this report, > but was utterly unable to find it. i tried to be as general as possible, > "fedora", "test2", didn't even specify a status or anything. but got no > hits. > > can someone provide the magic incantation that would have produced this > bug report, based on the relevant keywords? sometimes, bugzilla can be > maddeningly non-productive. > > rday > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > -- Bob Cochran Greenbelt, Maryland, USA http://greenbeltcomputer.biz/ From andre at bwh.harvard.edu Sun Oct 5 12:37:25 2003 From: andre at bwh.harvard.edu (Andre Robatino) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 08:37:25 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Graphical boot issues: a.o. graphical boot twice slower then text In-Reply-To: <3F8004E1.7020808@zonnet.nl> from "Jaap A. Haitsma" at Oct 05, 2003 01:47:45 PM Message-ID: <200310051237.h95CbPn18848@garfield.bwh.harvard.edu> > > Hi, > > I've installed Severn including all the updates (except Mozilla because > mozilla mail seems to freeze according to all the posts on this list > after updating) on my laptop (A Dell Latitude C600). The Thursday updates broke Mozilla (and Mozilla mail) for a lot of people including me. The Friday updates fixed it for me. I don't know whether it was the Mozilla updates specifically, or some other update on Friday. I also don't know if it's fixed for everyone else. > First thing I noticed that booting was a lot slower (I even thought the > init script was frozen). Then I changed the GRAPHICAL_BOOT variable in > /etc/syconfig/init to no. Booting time reduced from 2 minutes till 1 minute. > > The problem seems to be the kudzu service, which probes for new devices. > If I disable the kudzu service a graphical boot takes also 1 minute. > > Anybody experiencing the same thing? I haven't noticed any difference in boot time between text and graphical, though I didn't time it. > Other problem with graphical boot, when I push "I" for an interactive > init the system freezes after completing about 25% of the progress bar > > Another feature I would like to see in the graphical boot that it gives > feedback when something fails. I made a small mistake when entering my > USB pen-drive in /etc/fstab: I forgot the noauto option. So the text > boot was complaining that it didn't see the pen drive when I didn't have > it plugged in. The graphical boot didn't say anything > > Jaap Since the X display has more resolution, the graphical boot has the potential to provide more information. However, what is usually done is to use the graphical boot to _hide_ information, for warmth and fuzziness. This should be an option if people want it, but it would also be nice if the graphical boot could be configured to display lots of info including every ugly error that occurs. I would use the graphical boot if this was possible. Also, unless there's some issue I'm not aware of, the shutdown should be the same type as the bootup, for symmetry. Right now, it appears that shutdown only has text mode. From rpjday at mindspring.com Sun Oct 5 12:41:25 2003 From: rpjday at mindspring.com (Robert P. J. Day) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 08:41:25 -0400 (GMT-04:00) Subject: getting pine to run under fedora 0.94 -- a couple issues Message-ID: <24890767.1065357685715.JavaMail.root@wamui01.slb.atl.earthlink.net> -----Original Message----- From: Robert L Cochran > Where are you getting the source RPM from? I like Pine myself. > Bob i got mine from www.rpmfind.net. rday From Rainer.Hattenhauer at t-online.de Sun Oct 5 12:48:05 2003 From: Rainer.Hattenhauer at t-online.de (Rainer Hattenhauer) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 14:48:05 +0200 Subject: laptop install - screen gets white Message-ID: <001801c38b3e$f1f25690$152ea8c0@august> >Hm, that bug is marked as CLOSED RAWHIDE. Are you sure that 'nofb' >is still not mentioned in help? If not them maybe #89722 should >be reopened. Sorry, again. Seems that my eyes were covered by tomatos, like we're saying here in germany. Of cause, it is mentioned in help. But wouldn't it be better to boot for installation issues in safe state by default (e.g. using nofb), I think most of the system will work with this option out of the box (?) Greetings Raienr From jaap_haitsma at zonnet.nl Sun Oct 5 12:55:21 2003 From: jaap_haitsma at zonnet.nl (Jaap A. Haitsma) Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2003 14:55:21 +0200 Subject: Supporting NTFS in the kernel Message-ID: <3F8014B9.5030601@zonnet.nl> I would like it very much if the standard kernel would include the read driver for NTFS. I now always have to rebuild the kernel myself if I want to read my Windooz partition The write driver still seems to be experimental/dangerous SuSe is boasting that SuSe Linux 9.0 will support both read and write of NTFS. Did they write their own driver? Jaap From cochranb at speakeasy.net Sun Oct 5 13:04:44 2003 From: cochranb at speakeasy.net (Robert L Cochran) Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2003 09:04:44 -0400 Subject: Gnome Crashes ; /dev Files Not Created Message-ID: <3F8016EC.9080405@speakeasy.net> As of October 5, the latest set of updates from the RHN Severn channel causes Gnome to crash messily. On my older Dell XPS T550 desktop, I get these Gnome messages: "The greeter program appears to be crashing. I will attempt to use a different one." Clicking OK yields a different logon panel, on which I attempt to logon as an ordinary user. This yields another message: "Cannot find or run the base session script, will try the GNOME failsafe session for you." Clicking OK yields this message: "This is the Failsafe Gnome session. You will be logged into the 'Default' session of Gnome with no startup scripts run. This is only to fix problems in your installation." Clicking OK to this brings up the Fedora Core splash screen against a black background. Also, /dev/cdrom and /dev/cdrom1, /mnt/cdrom and /mnt/cdrom1 are not created on this machine: $ mount /dev/cdrom mount: special device /dev/cdrom does not exist On my Sony Vaio PCG-F350 with the same updates, X hangs without any messages being issued at all during the boot process. The only cure is to shut down the machine with the power switch. -- Bob Cochran Greenbelt, Maryland, USA http://greenbeltcomputer.biz/ From ossamak at nht.com.kw Sun Oct 5 13:06:51 2003 From: ossamak at nht.com.kw (Ossama Khayaat) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 16:06:51 +0300 Subject: Grub stage1 file error Message-ID: <1F336C4559FF244A90D52EFEABE98AD607CC5A@nimo.nhpro.kw> Sorry, but I just hate the 'install from scratch', because I used to do it a lot in Windoze and try to run away from it :) In a way, you're right. It works just fine. I tried installing it on another machine and had no problem at all. Seems like I'll just wait for the next beta/final release, and try again on the laptop. You know, I don't want to format/install too much on it. Thanks, Ossama > -----Original Message----- > From: Robert L Cochran [mailto:cochranb at speakeasy.net] > Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2003 3:20 PM > To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com > Subject: Re: Grub stage1 file error > > Yes I know, it seems odd to be told to do it again from scratch. But > this is a beta release. You don't seem to have found a solution to the > issue you are having yet. Sometimes doing it all over again tells you if > it is really a reproducible problem. I haven't yet had a problem with > grub during this beta, but I haven't been very active either. Most of my > attention is going into experimenting with wireless networking. You have > probably done more with the beta than I. > > Bob > > > Ossama Khayaat wrote: > >>-----Original Message----- > >>From: Robert L Cochran [mailto:cochranb at speakeasy.net] > >>Subject: Re: Grub stage1 file error > >> > >>I don't know why Grub didn't install correctly on your machine. The > >>installer is usually good about doing that. My suggestion is to > >>reinstall Fedora Core from scratch. You should be able to accept the > >>default anaconda options. Just click 'next' to go to the next screen. > > > > > > But this isn't a solution, i.e. to just reinstall from scratch! And I > > already accepted the default settings for grub. > > > > > >>All the Grub problems I've experienced are related to booting multiple > >>operating systems. In the case of just a single OS (Fedora Core) you > >>should be fine without changing any options at first. > > > > > > I've been using GRUB since version 7.3, and never had a problem with it, > > specially that I use multiple OSs (sometimes even more than one Linux > > distro). Furthermore, I used to configure it manually for multiple linux > > system, so I have no issue with it at all. > > > > > >>Later on, once you are booting successfully, and only if you need > > > > this, > > > >>edit /boot/grub.conf to pass acpi=on to the kernel so your networking > >>will work. > > > > > > Never had to do this as well, since the start. > > The problem here refers to the stage1 file. > > > > Thanks for your answer. > > Ossama > > > > > > -- > > fedora-test-list mailing list > > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > > > > > -- > Bob Cochran > Greenbelt, Maryland, USA > http://greenbeltcomputer.biz/ > > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From Rainer.Hattenhauer at t-online.de Sun Oct 5 13:07:11 2003 From: Rainer.Hattenhauer at t-online.de (Rainer Hattenhauer) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 15:07:11 +0200 Subject: Graphical boot issues: a.o. graphical boot twice slower then text Message-ID: <002c01c38b41$99fff750$152ea8c0@august> >Since the X display has more resolution, the graphical boot has the >potential to provide more information. However, what is usually done is to >use the graphical boot to _hide_ information, for warmth and fuzziness. >This should be an option if people want it, but it would also be nice if >the graphical boot could be configured to display lots of info including >every ugly error that occurs. I would use the graphical boot if this was >possible. Also, unless there's some issue I'm not aware of, the shutdown >should be the same type as the bootup, for symmetry. Right now, it appears >that shutdown only has text mode. The SuSE guys have included the possibility to press F2 during boot up / shutdown of the system, so every old fashioned guy (like me) who wants to see the boot / shutdown messages is able to see them in a window included in the graphical area. I don't know if they are holding a software patent for this issue, like others do for scroll bars ;-) Perhaps one could include this to the fedora bootup, too. Rainer From ossamak at nht.com.kw Sun Oct 5 13:10:54 2003 From: ossamak at nht.com.kw (Ossama Khayaat) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 16:10:54 +0300 Subject: Grub stage1 file error Message-ID: <1F336C4559FF244A90D52EFEABE98AD607CC5B@nimo.nhpro.kw> > Well, is the file there or not? Sure it's there! > I think you could post a listing of the contents of /boot/grub, > check the permissions of the directory (must be writable), show > that you really have a good installation of the grub package, No need for that, it's just a default successful installation. > and run > > grub-install --debug /dev/hda > > You could also try "grub-install --just-copy" and then list the > contents of /boot/grub. The stage* files should be there. I took the stage1 and stage2 files and put them in the /boot/grub directory for nothing happened. Seems like the hard disk (at least this partition) had a problem. The reason I say that, is because when I list the partitions (fdisk -l) it shows me the partition as Fat16 and not ext3. I started the PC from the fedora CDs and went through the setup process until I got to the partitioning part. There, I can see that the partition is an ext3 and not fat16!! Really don't know what to say or do. I guess I'll just wait for the next release. Ossama From jaap_haitsma at zonnet.nl Sun Oct 5 13:23:28 2003 From: jaap_haitsma at zonnet.nl (Jaap A. Haitsma) Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2003 15:23:28 +0200 Subject: redhat-log-viewer does not work properly In-Reply-To: <3F800BE6.7050303@zonnet.nl> References: <3F800BE6.7050303@zonnet.nl> Message-ID: <3F801B50.2010504@zonnet.nl> BTW I just discovered that it also works if I just launch from the terminal without being root, but still not from the Main menu :-( Jaap A. Haitsma wrote: > Hi, > > When I start the redhat-log-viewer from the Applications menu (System > Tools /Logviewer) I have to type in the root password and then nothing > happens. However if I login as root in a terminal and then lauch it from > the terminal it works. > > Any ideas? Anybody experiencing the same thing? > > Jaap > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > From cochranb at speakeasy.net Sun Oct 5 13:33:46 2003 From: cochranb at speakeasy.net (Robert L Cochran) Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2003 09:33:46 -0400 Subject: dev package does not have /dev/cdrom Message-ID: <3F801DBA.8040302@speakeasy.net> By the way, the dev package isn't listed as a component for Fedora Core in Bugzilla. But anyhow, /dev/cdrom does not seem to be in the dev package. So, I can't mount a CD. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=106319 -- Bob Cochran Greenbelt, Maryland, USA http://greenbeltcomputer.biz/ From davej at redhat.com Sun Oct 5 13:38:09 2003 From: davej at redhat.com (Dave Jones) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 14:38:09 +0100 Subject: Boot Problem In-Reply-To: <200310050809.h95890129586@mx1.redhat.com> References: <200310050809.h95890129586@mx1.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20031005133809.GB16491@redhat.com> On Sun, Oct 05, 2003 at 11:08:57AM +0300, Ozkan ALTUNER wrote: > I downloaded and installed severn. After successful installation it doesn't > boot at all. I see the graphical boot screen but when it comes to "starting > printing system" it hangs. > > How can i solve it? After the graphical boot starts up, but before it hangs, hit Ctrl-Alt-F1, and you'll see exactly whats going on. Dave -- Dave Jones http://www.codemonkey.org.uk From jos at xos.nl Sun Oct 5 13:41:31 2003 From: jos at xos.nl (Jos Vos) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 15:41:31 +0200 Subject: dev package does not have /dev/cdrom In-Reply-To: <3F801DBA.8040302@speakeasy.net>; from cochranb@speakeasy.net on Sun, Oct 05, 2003 at 09:33:46AM -0400 References: <3F801DBA.8040302@speakeasy.net> Message-ID: <20031005154131.A498@xos037.xos.nl> On Sun, Oct 05, 2003 at 09:33:46AM -0400, Robert L Cochran wrote: > By the way, the dev package isn't listed as a component for Fedora Core > in Bugzilla. > > But anyhow, /dev/cdrom does not seem to be in the dev package. So, I > can't mount a CD. > > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=106319 /dev/cdrom should normally be a symlink to your CD device, like hdc, so it shouldn't be in the dev package (and it has never been there, IIRC). /dev/cdrom is normally created by Anaconda or some config program. Cheers, -- -- Jos Vos -- X/OS Experts in Open Systems BV | Phone: +31 20 6938364 -- Amsterdam, The Netherlands | Fax: +31 20 6948204 From davej at redhat.com Sun Oct 5 13:49:06 2003 From: davej at redhat.com (Dave Jones) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 14:49:06 +0100 Subject: Graphical boot issues: a.o. graphical boot twice slower then text In-Reply-To: <200310051237.h95CbPn18848@garfield.bwh.harvard.edu> References: <3F8004E1.7020808@zonnet.nl> <200310051237.h95CbPn18848@garfield.bwh.harvard.edu> Message-ID: <20031005134906.GC16491@redhat.com> On Sun, Oct 05, 2003 at 08:37:25AM -0400, Andre Robatino wrote: > Since the X display has more resolution, the graphical boot has the > potential to provide more information. However, what is usually done is to > use the graphical boot to _hide_ information, for warmth and fuzziness. > This should be an option if people want it, but it would also be nice if > the graphical boot could be configured to display lots of info including > every ugly error that occurs. I would use the graphical boot if this was > possible. There's always going to be some errors that aren't easy to do in grpahical mode. Kernel oopses, Machine check exceptions and other 'machine is in bad state' type problems. In these circumstances, X never gets scheduled again, so any output never makes it to the screen. In some circumstances, we can't even change VT, the box is locked up. I'm not sure what the plan is (or even if there is one) from the graphical boot folks other than "ctrl-alt-f1 before it crashes and see what happens". Dave -- Dave Jones http://www.codemonkey.org.uk From davej at redhat.com Sun Oct 5 13:54:25 2003 From: davej at redhat.com (Dave Jones) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 14:54:25 +0100 Subject: Supporting NTFS in the kernel In-Reply-To: <3F8014B9.5030601@zonnet.nl> References: <3F8014B9.5030601@zonnet.nl> Message-ID: <20031005135425.GD16491@redhat.com> On Sun, Oct 05, 2003 at 02:55:21PM +0200, Jaap A. Haitsma wrote: > I would like it very much if the standard kernel would include the read > driver for NTFS Won't happen due to potential patent problems. > The write driver still seems to be experimental/dangerous > SuSe is boasting that SuSe Linux 9.0 will support both read and write of > NTFS. Did they write their own driver? No, SuSE just have a 'worry about it later' attitude about potential patent violations. (Though with current laws on software patents being passed in Europe, it'll be interesting to watch if their position changes). They also distribute mp3 players, media players for various formats etc. NTFS is just one tiny piece they distribute that is unlikely to ever appear in Fedora-Core. Fedora-non-US or some equivalent one day maybe.. Dave -- Dave Jones http://www.codemonkey.org.uk From laroche at redhat.com Sun Oct 5 13:54:13 2003 From: laroche at redhat.com (Florian La Roche) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 15:54:13 +0200 Subject: dev package does not have /dev/cdrom In-Reply-To: <3F801DBA.8040302@speakeasy.net> References: <3F801DBA.8040302@speakeasy.net> Message-ID: <20031005135413.GA5599@dudweiler.stuttgart.redhat.com> On Sun, Oct 05, 2003 at 09:33:46AM -0400, Robert L Cochran wrote: > By the way, the dev package isn't listed as a component for Fedora Core > in Bugzilla. You have to look at the src.rpm and that is "MAKEDEV". > > But anyhow, /dev/cdrom does not seem to be in the dev package. So, I > can't mount a CD. > > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=106319 This should be created by kudzu I think. (/etc/fstab should have a /dev/cdrom entry that also lists "kudzu" in the options.) greetings, Florian La Roche From akabi at speakeasy.net Sun Oct 5 13:56:16 2003 From: akabi at speakeasy.net (ne...) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 09:56:16 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Supporting NTFS in the kernel In-Reply-To: <3F8014B9.5030601@zonnet.nl> References: <3F8014B9.5030601@zonnet.nl> Message-ID: On Oct 5, 2003 at 14:55, Jaap A. Haitsma in a maddening rage wrote: >I would like it very much if the standard kernel would include the read >driver for NTFS. I now always have to rebuild the kernel myself if I >want to read my Windooz partition There is not a chance of this happening with the current code. See past threads on this. No cite/reference handy ATM. >The write driver still seems to be experimental/dangerous >SuSe is boasting that SuSe Linux 9.0 will support both read and write of >NTFS. Did they write their own driver? No clue. I only follow RH gossip (since RH2.1). -- Registered Linux User # 125653 (http://counter.li.org) Switch to: http://www.speakeasy.net/refer/190653 War is much too serious a matter to be entrusted to the military. -- Clemenceau 09:54:04 up 41 days, 21:28, 3 users, load average: 0.13, 0.03, 0.01 From hobbit at aloss.ukuu.org.uk Sun Oct 5 14:04:37 2003 From: hobbit at aloss.ukuu.org.uk (Telsa Gwynne) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 15:04:37 +0100 Subject: dev package does not have /dev/cdrom In-Reply-To: <3F801DBA.8040302@speakeasy.net> References: <3F801DBA.8040302@speakeasy.net> Message-ID: <20031005140437.GB13861@aloss.ukuu.org.uk> On Sun, Oct 05, 2003 at 09:33:46AM -0400 or thereabouts, Robert L Cochran wrote: > By the way, the dev package isn't listed as a component for Fedora Core > in Bugzilla. Packages in bugzilla are split by src.rpm, not by the binary ones. $ rpm -qi dev | grep Source Group : System Environment/Base Source RPM: MAKEDEV-3.3.8-2.src.rpm So you want to file it under that instead. (There is a proper sort of query you can do with rpm, but grep is easier to remember :)) Telsa From thomas at apestaart.org Sun Oct 5 14:02:42 2003 From: thomas at apestaart.org (Thomas Vander Stichele) Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2003 16:02:42 +0200 Subject: automated build tool for an src.rpm tree ? In-Reply-To: <200309301830.12753.rezso@rdsor.ro> References: <200309301830.12753.rezso@rdsor.ro> Message-ID: <1065362562.4157.22.camel@ana.onshuis> Yep, that's what I wrote mach for. http://thomas.apestaart.org/projects/mach/ I've added some bug fixes and support for Fedora Core 0.94 in cvs, will release as soon as Matthias Saou tested his bug fixes and gives me config info for rh70-rh72 :) Thomas On Wed, 2003-10-01 at 00:30, Balint Cristian wrote: > Hi ! > > Have someone developed a tool or have knowledge of some perl/python scripted stuff for > automated build of a src.rpm tree wich inteligently compute dependency and start compiling/installing > packages step by step in right order till whole tree is compiled and installed. > > PS: dont need to knoledge even some bug hunting skill :))) > > Thanks a lot, > > > Cristian Dave/Dina : future TV today ! - http://davedina.apestaart.org/ <-*- thomas (dot) apestaart (dot) org -*-> I could do so much harm I could do you no good I'll leave a stain in your heart I would <-*- thomas (at) apestaart (dot) org -*-> URGent, best radio on the net - 24/7 ! - http://urgent.rug.ac.be/ From rpjday at mindspring.com Sun Oct 5 14:12:46 2003 From: rpjday at mindspring.com (Robert P. J. Day) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 10:12:46 -0400 (EDT) Subject: "sysfs" and the 2.6.0 kernel? Message-ID: on to the next 2.6.0 kernel-related topic, which is support for the "sysfs" filesystem. this looks fairly straightforward, but first a general question -- is there any compelling application for this filesystem. it's cute, sure, but is anyone putting it to practical use? just curious. so can anyone confirm the details of the following? "sysfs" support is already compiled into the kernel, and you can create a mount point and mount it at any time with: # mkdir /sys # nount -t sysfs sysfs /sys then check out /sys. to make this feature permanent, it *seems* like you need to do some combination of the following: 1) create the mount point (mkdir /sys) 2) add an entry to /etc/fstab none /sys sysfs defaults 0 0 3) make some changes to /etc/rc.sysinit add this: mount -n -t proc /proc /proc +mount -n -t sysfs sysfs /sys and this: mount -f / mount -f /proc +mount -f /sys then change all occurrences of "/proc/bus/usb" to "/sys/bus/usb" 4) make a change to /etc/init.d/halt: -awk '$2 ~ /^\/$|^\/proc|^\/dev/{next} +awk '$2 ~ /^\/$|^\/proc|^\/sys|^\/dev/{next} AFAICT, that's all that needs to be done, although during the boot process, there are some depmod errors based on looking in the old location, /proc/bus/usb, and i'm not sure what to do about those. comments/clarifications on the above? rday From cochranb at speakeasy.net Sun Oct 5 14:23:11 2003 From: cochranb at speakeasy.net (Robert L Cochran) Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2003 10:23:11 -0400 Subject: dev package does not have /dev/cdrom In-Reply-To: <20031005154131.A498@xos037.xos.nl> References: <3F801DBA.8040302@speakeasy.net> <20031005154131.A498@xos037.xos.nl> Message-ID: <3F80294F.3060501@speakeasy.net> I stand corrected. To my surprise, entries for /dev/cdrom and /dev/cdrom1 (cdrom1 would point to my HP CD Writer) were not created in fstab during the initial installation of Fedora Core. I don't use CDs much these days so I didn't notice this till recently. I removed the graphical boot for this machine and noticed boot time errors this morning for /dev/cdrom. I then tried mounting a CD. It failed. So, there is a configuration script somewhere that is not creating the right symlinks. Bob Jos Vos wrote: > On Sun, Oct 05, 2003 at 09:33:46AM -0400, Robert L Cochran wrote: > > >>By the way, the dev package isn't listed as a component for Fedora Core >>in Bugzilla. >> >>But anyhow, /dev/cdrom does not seem to be in the dev package. So, I >>can't mount a CD. >> >>https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=106319 > > > /dev/cdrom should normally be a symlink to your CD device, like hdc, so > it shouldn't be in the dev package (and it has never been there, IIRC). > > /dev/cdrom is normally created by Anaconda or some config program. > > Cheers, > -- Bob Cochran Greenbelt, Maryland, USA http://greenbeltcomputer.biz/ From cochranb at speakeasy.net Sun Oct 5 14:40:02 2003 From: cochranb at speakeasy.net (Robert L Cochran) Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2003 10:40:02 -0400 Subject: Supporting NTFS in the kernel In-Reply-To: <3F8014B9.5030601@zonnet.nl> References: <3F8014B9.5030601@zonnet.nl> Message-ID: <3F802D42.2030807@speakeasy.net> Oh, I wonder if Microsoft's "Services For Unix" offers that kind of interoperability -- does it let you read and write to NTFS partitions? I got a trialware CD set of the product from somewhere but never installed it. You have to pay for the full version. Bob Jaap A. Haitsma wrote: > I would like it very much if the standard kernel would include the read > driver for NTFS. I now always have to rebuild the kernel myself if I > want to read my Windooz partition > > The write driver still seems to be experimental/dangerous > SuSe is boasting that SuSe Linux 9.0 will support both read and write of > NTFS. Did they write their own driver? > > Jaap > > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > -- Bob Cochran Greenbelt, Maryland, USA http://greenbeltcomputer.biz/ From michael at ywow.org Sun Oct 5 14:53:19 2003 From: michael at ywow.org (MJang) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 10:53:19 -0400 Subject: dev package does not have /dev/cdrom References: <3F801DBA.8040302@speakeasy.net> <20031005154131.A498@xos037.xos.nl> <3F80294F.3060501@speakeasy.net> Message-ID: <07e101c38b50$6b0a5670$201e16ac@AllAccess> Dear Bob, ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert L Cochran" > I removed the graphical boot for this machine and noticed boot time > errors this morning for /dev/cdrom. I then tried mounting a CD. It failed. Have you tried the - updfstab - command? It's supposed to make sure what Kudzu sees is properly reflected in /etc/fstab. Just tried an experiment with my RHL9 box, where I commented out my /dev/cdrom line. I'd think some combination of kudzu and updfstab should restore /dev/cdrom. It does not. However, the updfstab command does work - when manually run - after reboot. I think it should be added to some rc script after kudzu, and have added this info to your bug 106319. Thanks, Mike From ms-nospam-0306 at arcor.de Sun Oct 5 14:53:59 2003 From: ms-nospam-0306 at arcor.de (Michael Schwendt) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 16:53:59 +0200 Subject: Grub stage1 file error In-Reply-To: <1F336C4559FF244A90D52EFEABE98AD607CC5B@nimo.nhpro.kw> References: <1F336C4559FF244A90D52EFEABE98AD607CC5B@nimo.nhpro.kw> Message-ID: <20031005165359.5e59dfe5.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Sun, 5 Oct 2003 16:10:54 +0300, Ossama Khayaat wrote: > > grub-install --debug /dev/hda > > > > You could also try "grub-install --just-copy" and then list the > > contents of /boot/grub. The stage* files should be there. > > I took the stage1 and stage2 files and put them in the /boot/grub > directory for nothing happened. You shouldn't need to do that manually. grub-install would copy them there. > Seems like the hard disk (at least this partition) had a problem. The > reason I say that, is because when I list the partitions (fdisk -l) it > shows me the partition as Fat16 and not ext3. > > I started the PC from the fedora CDs and went through the setup process > until I got to the partitioning part. There, I can see that the > partition is an ext3 and not fat16!! The installer is correct It's partitioning tool is based on "parted", which examines the file-system content of a partition. On the contrary, fdisk -l relies on partition system IDs. Apparently, you created an ext3 file-system on a FAT16 partition. You need to correct that and use fdisk to set the partiton to type 83 (fdisk, enter 't', enter partition number, enter 83). - -- Michael, who doesn't reply to top posts and complete quotes anymore. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/gDCH0iMVcrivHFQRAuBXAJ0cppEaFC1Ig/Y+KncmgtM0d3ejkwCcDGgp 625QsgbzCEZlFc1Nfnwe2rc= =G4CJ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From davej at redhat.com Sun Oct 5 15:08:14 2003 From: davej at redhat.com (Dave Jones) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 16:08:14 +0100 Subject: dev package does not have /dev/cdrom In-Reply-To: <3F80294F.3060501@speakeasy.net> References: <3F801DBA.8040302@speakeasy.net> <20031005154131.A498@xos037.xos.nl> <3F80294F.3060501@speakeasy.net> Message-ID: <20031005150814.GE16491@redhat.com> On Sun, Oct 05, 2003 at 10:23:11AM -0400, Robert L Cochran wrote: > I stand corrected. > > To my surprise, entries for /dev/cdrom and /dev/cdrom1 (cdrom1 would > point to my HP CD Writer) were not created in fstab during the initial > installation of Fedora Core. I don't use CDs much these days so I didn't > notice this till recently. > > I removed the graphical boot for this machine and noticed boot time > errors this morning for /dev/cdrom. I then tried mounting a CD. It failed. > > So, there is a configuration script somewhere that is not creating the > right symlinks. Did you say this was a Vaio CD drive? There have been problems detecting those, (which may now be fixed as of a day or so ago in the newer PCMCIA packages). If there were detection problems at install time, I can understand why it wouldn't make the symlinks. Dave -- Dave Jones http://www.codemonkey.org.uk From michal at harddata.com Sun Oct 5 15:12:55 2003 From: michal at harddata.com (Michal Jaegermann) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 09:12:55 -0600 Subject: laptop install - screen gets white In-Reply-To: <001801c38b3e$f1f25690$152ea8c0@august>; from Rainer.Hattenhauer@t-online.de on Sun, Oct 05, 2003 at 02:48:05PM +0200 References: <001801c38b3e$f1f25690$152ea8c0@august> Message-ID: <20031005091255.B8522@mail.harddata.com> On Sun, Oct 05, 2003 at 02:48:05PM +0200, Rainer Hattenhauer wrote: > >Hm, that bug is marked as CLOSED RAWHIDE. Are you sure that 'nofb' > >is still not mentioned in help? If not them maybe #89722 should > >be reopened. > > Sorry, again. Seems that my eyes were covered by tomatos, like we're saying > here in germany. Of cause, it is mentioned in help. > > But wouldn't it be better to boot for installation issues in safe state by > default (e.g. using nofb), I think most of the system will work with this > option out of the box (?) I have no idea what is a "safe state" for most systems or even if something like that exists. You will have ask somebody else; in particular folks from Red Hat. Indeed for laptops I encountered recently using a frame buffer in anaconda seems to screw up things pretty badly in different ways and 'nofb' comes to a rescue. There is also a text installation mode but the problem is that if you try to use it over a frame buffer and that one misbehaves then text is of no help at all. OTOH the laptot mentioned in #89722 had much easier time in an initial boot using Knoppix CD although clearly a frame buffer was also in use. Probably different initial parameters. Michal From michal at harddata.com Sun Oct 5 15:26:13 2003 From: michal at harddata.com (Michal Jaegermann) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 09:26:13 -0600 Subject: Grub stage1 file error In-Reply-To: <20031005165359.5e59dfe5.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de>; from ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de on Sun, Oct 05, 2003 at 04:53:59PM +0200 References: <1F336C4559FF244A90D52EFEABE98AD607CC5B@nimo.nhpro.kw> <20031005165359.5e59dfe5.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de> Message-ID: <20031005092613.C8522@mail.harddata.com> On Sun, Oct 05, 2003 at 04:53:59PM +0200, Michael Schwendt wrote: > Apparently, you > created an ext3 file-system on a FAT16 partition. You need to correct > that and use fdisk to set the partiton to type 83 (fdisk, enter 't', > enter partition number, enter 83). Most of the time these partition types are not really significant and you can assign them in a random manner. :-) There are some exceptions and grub seems to be one of these. It searches, during an installation and while booting, for some files and a file system type to search is apparently guessed from a partition type. A wrong guess and no go. Checking sources would likely confirm that but it is hard to imagine for a boot loader to do an extensive file system recognition. lilo is using absolute disk postions, so no searching at boot time, but it has to be carefuly informed about any changes. Michal From mingo at redhat.com Sun Oct 5 15:30:51 2003 From: mingo at redhat.com (Ingo Molnar) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 11:30:51 -0400 (EDT) Subject: up2date In-Reply-To: <1065300390.24218.9.camel@T6.linux> Message-ID: On Sat, 4 Oct 2003, Paul wrote: > I need to add exec-shield=0 to my kernel line in order to get to my > desktop. I know this is something to do with module underruns/overruns, > but is there any way to fix this as it's a bit damned annoying. hm, what happens if you dont add this line - what precisely fails? Could you add print_fatal_signals=1 to your kernel line instead and get us a kernel log of the failing app(s)? Ingo From mingo at redhat.com Sun Oct 5 15:38:34 2003 From: mingo at redhat.com (Ingo Molnar) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 11:38:34 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Alsa probs? In-Reply-To: <1065347253.19428.1.camel@Eccles> Message-ID: On Sun, 5 Oct 2003, Alastair Porter wrote: > On Sun, 2003-10-05 at 22:19, Andy Green wrote: > > So everything is good except.... alsamixer segfaults on startup > > > > [root at localhost alsa-driver-0.9.7a]# alsamixer > > Segmentation fault > Turning off exec-shield fixes this. does it work if you do 'setarch i386 alsamixer'? Ingo From mspencer at evidentdata.com Sun Oct 5 15:41:04 2003 From: mspencer at evidentdata.com (Mark G. Spencer) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 08:41:04 -0700 Subject: Severn/Fedora hangs during boot at PCMCIA? Message-ID: <012301c38b57$1669bd70$0300a8c0@edi.evidentdata.com> Hello, I became interested in upgrading one of my laptops from Red Hat 9 to Severn after hearing that some improvements significantly increased the overall responsiveness on older computer systems. My laptop is older, and painfully slow under the load of Gnome. ;) I'm hoping you all can help me resolve two of the major problems I've had. My laptop is a Toshiba 2615DVD/6.0. It's an older Celeron based machine. Red Hat 9 installs and runs without any problems, including after I upgraded to the latest kernel (non-beta) from RHN. When I tried to install Severn on this laptop, it would always hang at "running /sbin/loader" .. After browsing Google for a while, I found a mention of disabling usb via "linux nousb" at install. I did this, and I was able to get past the hang and continue installation. Once the system boots now though, it hangs at starting PCMCIA services. I've tried booting a few times and waited up to 30 minutes, so I know at this point I will never get past starting PCMCIA services. Any ideas? Is this a bug, or is some support for older chipsets removed on purpose from Severn? Is there a way for me to troubleshoot why usb and pcmcia work fine on Red Hat 9 on this laptop, but not on Severn. Thanks for the advice .. I'm really looking forward to getting Severn and the latest 2.6 kernel running on this laptop now that I've heard so many good things about them!! Mark From cochranb at speakeasy.net Sun Oct 5 15:44:39 2003 From: cochranb at speakeasy.net (Robert L Cochran) Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2003 11:44:39 -0400 Subject: dev package does not have /dev/cdrom In-Reply-To: <20031005150814.GE16491@redhat.com> References: <3F801DBA.8040302@speakeasy.net> <20031005154131.A498@xos037.xos.nl> <3F80294F.3060501@speakeasy.net> <20031005150814.GE16491@redhat.com> Message-ID: <3F803C67.5090404@speakeasy.net> No I didn't mean the Vaio, which currently cannot 'startx' successfully following a long up2date session last night. For this problem, I'm talking about my Dell Dimension XPS T550 -- a rather old PIII desktop. Bob Dave Jones wrote: > On Sun, Oct 05, 2003 at 10:23:11AM -0400, Robert L Cochran wrote: > > I stand corrected. > > > > To my surprise, entries for /dev/cdrom and /dev/cdrom1 (cdrom1 would > > point to my HP CD Writer) were not created in fstab during the initial > > installation of Fedora Core. I don't use CDs much these days so I didn't > > notice this till recently. > > > > I removed the graphical boot for this machine and noticed boot time > > errors this morning for /dev/cdrom. I then tried mounting a CD. It failed. > > > > So, there is a configuration script somewhere that is not creating the > > right symlinks. > > Did you say this was a Vaio CD drive? There have been problems detecting > those, (which may now be fixed as of a day or so ago in the newer PCMCIA > packages). If there were detection problems at install time, I can > understand why it wouldn't make the symlinks. > > Dave > -- Bob Cochran Greenbelt, Maryland, USA http://greenbeltcomputer.biz/ From redhat-jc at insight.rr.com Sun Oct 5 15:48:16 2003 From: redhat-jc at insight.rr.com (Jim Cornette) Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2003 11:48:16 -0400 Subject: [FEDORA] Re: mozilla 1.4 In-Reply-To: <1065236990.3554.10.camel@hawk.wittenberg.org> References: <200310031810.h93IAxK02597@garfield.bwh.harvard.edu> <3F7E35F2.8090103@insight.rr.com> <1065236990.3554.10.camel@hawk.wittenberg.org> Message-ID: <3F803D40.80601@insight.rr.com> Daniel Wittenberg wrote: > Are you using pop3 then? I use the multiple accounts all the time and > don't have this problem, but I also only use imaps > > Dan I use pop3 accounts. I haven't seen any settings for multithread mail reading. Usually, keep seperate accounts through mozilla/netscape for Fedora mail, an account for music related items, personal mail, etc. When I tried Evolution, I have sent out mail under the wrong email address before. One time it caused a big stir. Mostly I just get return mail or notes that the mail needs to pass the moderators approval. When the RHL lists switched over to Fedora lists. I had no problem with the different accounts and no filters. That is why I'd rather see a mozilla multi-accounts setup, instead of the pooled mail and adding filters to segregate the mail to different folders. Mozilla is great and works fine. Evolution is what I was wondering about. Jim > > On Fri, 2003-10-03 at 21:52, Jim Cornette wrote: > > >>Evolution's lumping all chosen accounts into one mesh makes knowing >>which mail account the message came from and which address to send out >>the mail very confusing, at least for me. >> >> >>Jim -- Everything you know is wrong! From paul at all-the-johnsons.co.uk Sun Oct 5 15:52:12 2003 From: paul at all-the-johnsons.co.uk (Paul) Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2003 16:52:12 +0100 Subject: logistics related to moving up to the 2.6.0-test kernel In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1065369132.16466.3.camel@T6.linux> Hi, > /etc/rc.sysinit > --------------- > > there are a number of other changes that can be made to this > file. one is to change all occurrences of > > /proc/ksyms -> /proc/kallsyms I've just checked /proc and can only find /proc/ksyms - is kallsyms supposed to be generated when the kernel is compiled or should I be setting a flag in the kernel .config file so that it gets generated when I compile the kernel up? TTFN Paul -- One OS to fool them all One browser to find them One email client to bring them all And through security holes, blind them... From craig at postnewspapers.com.au Sun Oct 5 15:54:24 2003 From: craig at postnewspapers.com.au (Craig Ringer) Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2003 23:54:24 +0800 Subject: "sysfs" and the 2.6.0 kernel? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3F803EB0.7040908@postnewspapers.com.au> > on to the next 2.6.0 kernel-related topic, which is support for the > "sysfs" filesystem. this looks fairly straightforward, but first a > general question -- is there any compelling application for this > filesystem. it's cute, sure, but is anyone putting it to practical use? > just curious. I think XFree86 will be using it for PCI device detection. No doubt all sorts of other uses will follow, and it'll be handy in examining hardware status as well. My understanding is that it's intended to serve most of the functions that've been added to /proc over the years, freeing /proc to be just for process monitoring. Craig Ringer From redhat-jc at insight.rr.com Sun Oct 5 15:54:57 2003 From: redhat-jc at insight.rr.com (Jim Cornette) Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2003 11:54:57 -0400 Subject: Fedora test-2 up2date SSL errors In-Reply-To: <3F7D9261.2080402@spiritone.com> References: <20031003074506.27269.88023.Mailman@listman.back-rdu.redhat.com> <3F7D9261.2080402@spiritone.com> Message-ID: <3F803ED1.2070908@insight.rr.com> Steve Ward wrote: > Is anyone else seeing SSL errors with up2date? Basically it starts > downloading (headers or RPMs) then it barfs. Sometimes it will download > a couple of items successfully, other times it won't even make it > through the first item. > > I've seen this error within the terminal. It seems to hapen for me during the last program to be upgraded. I got two ssh prompts during the "lockup". I didn't pay attention to which repository the error was coming from though. If I get the error again, I'll copy the error from the gnome-terminal. Jim From redhat-jc at insight.rr.com Sun Oct 5 16:07:29 2003 From: redhat-jc at insight.rr.com (Jim Cornette) Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2003 12:07:29 -0400 Subject: Fedora Test 2 will not log in to Gnome? In-Reply-To: <1065169764.8497.33.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <9059DDFC-F38D-11D7-941A-000393C34F68@mac.com> <3F7A28B4.1090504@insight.rr.com> <1064994547.8497.19.camel@localhost.localdomain> <3F7C0C01.10607@insight.rr.com> <1065169764.8497.33.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <3F8041C1.2000907@insight.rr.com> Alexander Larsson wrote: > On Thu, 2003-10-02 at 13:29, Jim Cornette wrote: > >>The bug was with an: >> >>EtherLink XL PCI >>3C900B-TPO >>03-0147-000 >>REV-A >> >>bugs 104793 through 104795 contain information regarding the check cable >>and avalanche effects for the NIC card. > > > Does this card work if you remove kudzu from the init scripts? I have the card lying around here. The problem seems that the card is recognized as the below card. This card worked fine from RHL 5.2 through all versions up to Severn. I haven't really looked into the init scripts before. Which one would concern disabling Kudzu for Ethernet Cards? The 3c590 driver seemed to work for this card. It seems that the 3c900 is being attempted to use instead. The working card in my system is what it states. A tornado 3c900 based. This one is not as detected. Jim See Documentation/networking/vortex.txt 01:01.0: 3Com PCI 3c900 Cyclone 10Mbps TPO at 0xdc00. Vers LK1.1.18-ac 00:10:5a:14:8d:ee, IRQ 10 product code 504e rev 00.4 date 08-02-98 Internal config register is 1800000, transceivers 0x8. 8K byte-wide RAM 5:3 Rx:Tx split, autoselect/Autonegotiate interface. MII transceiver found at address 24, status 1809. > > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > Alexander Larsson Red Hat, Inc > alexl at redhat.com alla at lysator.liu.se > He's a one-legged amnesiac cop in drag. She's a foxy streetsmart bounty hunter > with only herself to blame. They fight crime! > -- Everything you know is wrong! From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Sun Oct 5 16:22:25 2003 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2003 12:22:25 -0400 Subject: Ideas for a new Fedora apt/yum/up2date hierarchy In-Reply-To: <3F7F50E1.70403@mail.uct.ac.za> References: <3F7F50E1.70403@mail.uct.ac.za> Message-ID: <1065370945.14230.64.camel@binkley> On Sat, 2003-10-04 at 18:59, Maynard Kuona wrote: > I was thinking. I do not always need to update to the latest versions of > software "for the hell of it" especially if it is something I do not use > much. But some things, like security updates I like to keep up to date > with, pun not intended. So, I am proposing an idea for Fedora's > repository heirarchy. This might have already been mentioned but: if you setup a comps.xml/yumgroups.xml file with the groups put together in the subgroups that you want you can run: yum groupupdate 'some group' and do exactly what you suggested. -sv From mspencer at evidentdata.com Sun Oct 5 16:39:13 2003 From: mspencer at evidentdata.com (Mark G. Spencer) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 09:39:13 -0700 Subject: Severn/Fedora hangs during boot at PCMCIA? In-Reply-To: <012301c38b57$1669bd70$0300a8c0@edi.evidentdata.com> Message-ID: <000c01c38b5f$36147450$0300a8c0@edi.evidentdata.com> Quick follow-up .. I noticed a couple options in the BIOS that may be relevant? I'm not sure how these will effect Severn, but I'll try them this morning. First is "USB Legacy Emulation" .. By default is disabled and the way I had it set for RH9. I'll change this to enabled and try installing Severn again. Also, there is an option for "PC Card Controller Mode" .. Currently auto-selected, the way I had it for RH9. I can change this to PCIC Compatible or CardBus/16-bit. I'll change this to CardBus/16-Bit during my complete re-install of Severn and cross my fingers. ;) I'll write back re: my results. Thanks, Mark -----Original Message----- From: fedora-test-list-admin at redhat.com [mailto:fedora-test-list-admin at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Mark G. Spencer Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2003 8:41 AM To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com Subject: Severn/Fedora hangs during boot at PCMCIA? Hello, I became interested in upgrading one of my laptops from Red Hat 9 to Severn after hearing that some improvements significantly increased the overall responsiveness on older computer systems. My laptop is older, and painfully slow under the load of Gnome. ;) I'm hoping you all can help me resolve two of the major problems I've had. My laptop is a Toshiba 2615DVD/6.0. It's an older Celeron based machine. Red Hat 9 installs and runs without any problems, including after I upgraded to the latest kernel (non-beta) from RHN. When I tried to install Severn on this laptop, it would always hang at "running /sbin/loader" .. After browsing Google for a while, I found a mention of disabling usb via "linux nousb" at install. I did this, and I was able to get past the hang and continue installation. Once the system boots now though, it hangs at starting PCMCIA services. I've tried booting a few times and waited up to 30 minutes, so I know at this point I will never get past starting PCMCIA services. Any ideas? Is this a bug, or is some support for older chipsets removed on purpose from Severn? Is there a way for me to troubleshoot why usb and pcmcia work fine on Red Hat 9 on this laptop, but not on Severn. Thanks for the advice .. I'm really looking forward to getting Severn and the latest 2.6 kernel running on this laptop now that I've heard so many good things about them!! Mark -- fedora-test-list mailing list fedora-test-list at redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From cochranb at speakeasy.net Sun Oct 5 16:56:14 2003 From: cochranb at speakeasy.net (Robert L Cochran) Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2003 12:56:14 -0400 Subject: dev package does not have /dev/cdrom In-Reply-To: <07e101c38b50$6b0a5670$201e16ac@AllAccess> References: <3F801DBA.8040302@speakeasy.net> <20031005154131.A498@xos037.xos.nl> <3F80294F.3060501@speakeasy.net> <07e101c38b50$6b0a5670$201e16ac@AllAccess> Message-ID: <3F804D2E.9010800@speakeasy.net> Thank you, I'll give that a try! Bob MJang wrote: > Dear Bob, > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Robert L Cochran" > >>I removed the graphical boot for this machine and noticed boot time >>errors this morning for /dev/cdrom. I then tried mounting a CD. It failed. > > > Have you tried the - updfstab - command? It's supposed to make sure what Kudzu sees is properly reflected in /etc/fstab. > > Just tried an experiment with my RHL9 box, where I commented out my /dev/cdrom line. I'd think some combination of kudzu and > updfstab should restore /dev/cdrom. It does not. > > However, the updfstab command does work - when manually run - after reboot. I think it should be added to some rc script after > kudzu, and have added this info to your bug 106319. > > Thanks, > Mike > > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > -- Bob Cochran Greenbelt, Maryland, USA http://greenbeltcomputer.biz/ From tdiehl at rogueind.com Sun Oct 5 17:10:32 2003 From: tdiehl at rogueind.com (Tom Diehl) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 13:10:32 -0400 (EDT) Subject: getting pine to run under fedora 0.94 -- a couple issues In-Reply-To: <3F800D42.6070701@speakeasy.net> Message-ID: On Sun, 5 Oct 2003, Robert L Cochran wrote: > Where are you getting the source RPM from? I like Pine myself. Mike Harris has them at ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris/pine/pine-4.58-1.src.rpm They are not built for severn though. -- ......Tom Registered Linux User #14522 http://counter.li.org tdiehl at rogueind.com My current SpamTrap -------> mtd123 at rogueind.com From aoliva at redhat.com Sun Oct 5 18:17:36 2003 From: aoliva at redhat.com (Alexandre Oliva) Date: 05 Oct 2003 15:17:36 -0300 Subject: Severn/Fedora hangs during boot at PCMCIA? In-Reply-To: <012301c38b57$1669bd70$0300a8c0@edi.evidentdata.com> References: <012301c38b57$1669bd70$0300a8c0@edi.evidentdata.com> Message-ID: On Oct 5, 2003, "Mark G. Spencer" wrote: > Once the system boots now though, it hangs at starting PCMCIA services. Is this Severn 1 or 2? Severn 1 used to hang for me unless I disabled PCMCIA. As a matter of fact, Severn 2 still hangs unless I disable rhgb, but it only hangs when restarting XFree86 after rhgb completes. But mine is a Tecra 8100. Try adding some combination of acpi=off, pci=noacpi and nogui to the boot command line and see if it helps. -- Alexandre Oliva Enjoy Guarana', see http://www.ic.unicamp.br/~oliva/ Red Hat GCC Developer aoliva@{redhat.com, gcc.gnu.org} CS PhD student at IC-Unicamp oliva@{lsd.ic.unicamp.br, gnu.org} Free Software Evangelist Professional serial bug killer From thleemhuis at htp-tel.de Sun Oct 5 18:47:31 2003 From: thleemhuis at htp-tel.de (Thorsten Leemhuis) Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2003 20:47:31 +0200 Subject: Supporting NTFS in the kernel In-Reply-To: <20031005135425.GD16491@redhat.com> References: <3F8014B9.5030601@zonnet.nl> <20031005135425.GD16491@redhat.com> Message-ID: <3F806743.300@htp-tel.de> Dave Jones wrote: > On Sun, Oct 05, 2003 at 02:55:21PM +0200, Jaap A. Haitsma wrote: > > I would like it very much if the standard kernel would include the read > > driver for NTFS > > Won't happen due to potential patent problems. Would it be possible to add some parts of the linux-ntfs-ng driver (or maybe code hooks) so that they, or somebody else, could provide rpm packages for the new ntfs driver module? The linux-ntfs Project currently provides only rpms for the *old* ntfs driver (AFAICS)? http://linux-ntfs.sourceforge.net/info/redhat.html CU thl From ossamak at nht.com.kw Sun Oct 5 18:58:49 2003 From: ossamak at nht.com.kw (Ossama Khayaat) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 21:58:49 +0300 Subject: Grub stage1 file error Message-ID: <1F336C4559FF244A90D52EFEABE98AD607CC5D@nimo.nhpro.kw> Michael and Michael, thanks very much for your responses. I'll try to use 'parted' to check the type of partition again. The problem is that even when I created a GRUB boot disk, and used the GRUB command line to manually boot the partition, it couldn't read it. I try: # root(hd0,6) (which is /dev/hda7) and I get: unrecognized partition (or similar) One more question is, say that it is a FAT16 partition, and I want to convert it to ext3 without formatting. How can I do this? Just curious :) Appreciating your help, Ossama > -----Original Message----- > From: Michal Jaegermann [mailto:michal at harddata.com] > Subject: Re: Grub stage1 file error > > On Sun, Oct 05, 2003 at 04:53:59PM +0200, Michael Schwendt wrote: > > Apparently, you > > created an ext3 file-system on a FAT16 partition. You need to correct > > that and use fdisk to set the partiton to type 83 (fdisk, enter 't', > > enter partition number, enter 83). > > Most of the time these partition types are not really significant > and you can assign them in a random manner. :-) There are some > exceptions and grub seems to be one of these. It searches, during > an installation and while booting, for some files and a file system > type to search is apparently guessed from a partition type. A wrong > guess and no go. > > Checking sources would likely confirm that but it is hard to imagine > for a boot loader to do an extensive file system recognition. lilo > is using absolute disk postions, so no searching at boot time, but > it has to be carefuly informed about any changes. > > Michal From jdk-fedora at starport.org Sun Oct 5 19:06:17 2003 From: jdk-fedora at starport.org (JDK) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 15:06:17 -0400 Subject: Sendmail Config Message-ID: <20031005150617.A30554@starport.org> Is there an applet I'm missing for Sendmail config? Seems like there is one for most things. I've installed FC2, and currently can't send mail from my box, because sendmail is presenting itself as locahost.localdomain, and my connection gets refused. I figured that editing the sendmail.mc was the answer, but thought there might be an easier way for the real basic options. As an aside, I noticed that Postfix was also an option at time of install. Which is the "preferred" option? TIA, jdk From cochranb at speakeasy.net Sun Oct 5 19:09:45 2003 From: cochranb at speakeasy.net (Robert L Cochran) Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2003 15:09:45 -0400 Subject: Grub stage1 file error In-Reply-To: <1F336C4559FF244A90D52EFEABE98AD607CC57@nimo.nhpro.kw> References: <1F336C4559FF244A90D52EFEABE98AD607CC57@nimo.nhpro.kw> Message-ID: <3F806C79.8020901@speakeasy.net> Let's start from the very beginning. When you wrote your CD using the ISO images, did you mediacheck the CDs before trying to install Fedora on your machine? The installer offers you the chance to check your CDs. You can do this by booting CD #1. After a few prompts about your language preferences the media check will come up. Why not try this? I ended up having to create CDs 1-3 and I used mediacheck myself. Good thing I did -- 2 of the 3 CDs were bad. Probably the CD media itself was poor quality. I threw them out and made new ones. Bob Ossama Khayaat wrote: > Hi, > After installing fedora core on my Toshiba laptop and restarted, I didn't get the boot screen. I'm sure I chose to install a boot loader (grub). > Anyway, I booted with my first CD and use 'linux rescue' to install the boot loader (just thought something is wrong). > It turned to be that file /boot/grub/stage1 couldn't be read! > I used 'rpm -V grub' and didn't get any error at all. > I tried removing and installing the package again, but still no use. > I checked the MD5SUM of the ISO images and they are also fine. > > Any suggestions? > > Regards, > Ossama Khayat > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.522 / Virus Database: 320 - Release Date: 9/29/2003 > > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > -- Bob Cochran Greenbelt, Maryland, USA http://greenbeltcomputer.biz/ From laroche at redhat.com Sun Oct 5 19:08:57 2003 From: laroche at redhat.com (Florian La Roche) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 21:08:57 +0200 Subject: Sendmail Config In-Reply-To: <20031005150617.A30554@starport.org> References: <20031005150617.A30554@starport.org> Message-ID: <20031005190857.GA7165@dudweiler.stuttgart.redhat.com> On Sun, Oct 05, 2003 at 03:06:17PM -0400, JDK wrote: > Is there an applet I'm missing for Sendmail config? Seems like > there is one for most things. I've installed FC2, and currently > can't send mail from my box, because sendmail is presenting itself > as locahost.localdomain, and my connection gets refused. I figured > that editing the sendmail.mc was the answer, but thought there > might be an easier way for the real basic options. We currently don't have a mail setup tool, you have to edit the config files. > > As an aside, I noticed that Postfix was also an option at time of > install. Which is the "preferred" option? sendmail is the default, but postfix should also work fine. greetings, Florian La Roche From cochranb at speakeasy.net Sun Oct 5 19:13:41 2003 From: cochranb at speakeasy.net (Robert L Cochran) Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2003 15:13:41 -0400 Subject: Sendmail Config In-Reply-To: <20031005150617.A30554@starport.org> References: <20031005150617.A30554@starport.org> Message-ID: <3F806D65.9090600@speakeasy.net> Install the sendmail.cf package. Then edit /etc/mail/sendmail.mc to comment out the line that allows only localhost connections. Then issue 'make -C /etc/mail' Check that file sendmail.cf was recently updated (e.g. the date/timestamp is a few seconds ago.) Issue 'service sendmail restart'. If all goes well you should be able to send and recieve. Bob JDK wrote: > Is there an applet I'm missing for Sendmail config? Seems like > there is one for most things. I've installed FC2, and currently > can't send mail from my box, because sendmail is presenting itself > as locahost.localdomain, and my connection gets refused. I figured > that editing the sendmail.mc was the answer, but thought there > might be an easier way for the real basic options. > > As an aside, I noticed that Postfix was also an option at time of > install. Which is the "preferred" option? > > TIA, > jdk > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > -- Bob Cochran Greenbelt, Maryland, USA http://greenbeltcomputer.biz/ From ranjits at sympatico.ca Sun Oct 5 19:42:18 2003 From: ranjits at sympatico.ca (Randy) Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2003 15:42:18 -0400 Subject: Beta 2 Compaq 905US Laptop Install Problems Message-ID: <3F80741A.1050608@sympatico.ca> Redhat 9.1 Beta 1 installed without any additional options. H.E, Fedora beta 2 requires pci=biosirq ide=nodma and nousb options. The system hangs at "starting system services" gui boot up screen. Do I have to add these options every time the computer starts ? and how to add them? From davej at redhat.com Sun Oct 5 19:48:12 2003 From: davej at redhat.com (Dave Jones) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 20:48:12 +0100 Subject: Beta 2 Compaq 905US Laptop Install Problems In-Reply-To: <3F80741A.1050608@sympatico.ca> References: <3F80741A.1050608@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <20031005194812.GB21933@redhat.com> On Sun, Oct 05, 2003 at 03:42:18PM -0400, Randy wrote: > Redhat 9.1 Beta 1 installed without any additional options. H.E, Fedora > beta 2 requires pci=biosirq ide=nodma and nousb options. The system > hangs at "starting system services" gui boot up screen. Do I have to add > these options every time the computer starts ? and how to add them? Please bugzilla this, and attach the output of dmesg, and dmidecode. Dave -- Dave Jones http://www.codemonkey.org.uk From smoogen at lanl.gov Sun Oct 5 19:52:37 2003 From: smoogen at lanl.gov (Stephen Smoogen) Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2003 13:52:37 -0600 Subject: laptop install - screen gets white In-Reply-To: <20031004082415.A20337@mail.harddata.com> References: <001d01c38a44$546832f0$152ea8c0@august> <20031004082415.A20337@mail.harddata.com> Message-ID: <1065383557.31763.0.camel@smoogen1.lanl.gov> On Sat, 2003-10-04 at 08:24, Michal Jaegermann wrote: > It would be interesting to know what will happen if you will try > to add 'nofb' to your boot options. Than means that most likely > at a boot prompt you have to type "linux nofb". > > > Software: now using fedora test2 > > I know that in RH9 this option is not documented but exists and it > has an effect (see bug #89722). No idea what is a status of it in > test2. > I have to use linux nofb on my Dell laptop using an ATI Rage Mobility. > Michal > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list -- Stephen John Smoogen smoogen at lanl.gov Los Alamos National Lab CCN-5 Sched 5/40 PH: 4-0645 Ta-03 SM-1498 MailStop B255 DP 10S Los Alamos, NM 87545 -- So shines a good deed in a weary world. = Willy Wonka -- From fedora at warmcat.com Sun Oct 5 19:56:18 2003 From: fedora at warmcat.com (Andy Green) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 20:56:18 +0100 Subject: laptop install - screen gets white In-Reply-To: <1065383557.31763.0.camel@smoogen1.lanl.gov> References: <001d01c38a44$546832f0$152ea8c0@august> <20031004082415.A20337@mail.harddata.com> <1065383557.31763.0.camel@smoogen1.lanl.gov> Message-ID: <200310052056.18742.fedora@warmcat.com> On Sunday 05 October 2003 20:52, Stephen Smoogen wrote: > On Sat, 2003-10-04 at 08:24, Michal Jaegermann wrote: > I have to use linux nofb on my Dell laptop using an ATI Rage > Mobility. FYI, its not needed here on a Dell Inspiron 8000 with ATI M4 video (r128 X driver). The video works fine with no workarounds. -Andy From twaugh at redhat.com Sun Oct 5 21:54:32 2003 From: twaugh at redhat.com (Tim Waugh) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 22:54:32 +0100 Subject: redhat-printer-config-gui and SMB printers In-Reply-To: <20031005052130.37371.qmail@web11803.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20031005052130.37371.qmail@web11803.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20031005215431.GR2229@redhat.com> On Sat, Oct 04, 2003 at 10:21:30PM -0700, Daniel Durgin wrote: > Maybe I missed it but is any one else having problems > with the GUI printer setup? I am running fedora 2 and > trying to print to a cannon i850. I can do it fine in > RHL 9. Unforutunately, now the program locks up when > tring to specify the printer on a windows machine. Ooh, could you file a bug please? Also, take a look in the .xsession-errors file -- there might be a Python traceback there to look at. 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Peter From pboy at barkhof.uni-bremen.de Sun Oct 5 21:55:23 2003 From: pboy at barkhof.uni-bremen.de (Peter Boy) Date: 05 Oct 2003 23:55:23 +0200 Subject: todays update killed the german menues Message-ID: <1065390923.4123.26.camel@ibmLaptop> Today I made a fresh install of Severn/Test 2 and selected German as the system language. Then I made a update via RHN and all the menue entries are English now. Is it a temporary feature in this period of beta or a bug? Peter From tdiehl at rogueind.com Sun Oct 5 21:57:29 2003 From: tdiehl at rogueind.com (Tom Diehl) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 17:57:29 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Gnome Crashes ; /dev Files Not Created In-Reply-To: <3F8016EC.9080405@speakeasy.net> Message-ID: On Sun, 5 Oct 2003, Robert L Cochran wrote: > As of October 5, the latest set of updates from the RHN Severn channel > causes Gnome to crash messily. On my older Dell XPS T550 desktop, I get > these Gnome messages: > > "The greeter program appears to be crashing. I will attempt to use a > different one." Bob, Have a look here: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=106189 I think a lot of people are seeing this. Something is definitely borked. HTH, -- ......Tom Registered Linux User #14522 http://counter.li.org tdiehl at rogueind.com My current SpamTrap -------> mtd123 at rogueind.com From tvinhas at techbyte.com.br Sun Oct 5 22:49:57 2003 From: tvinhas at techbyte.com.br (Thiago Vinhas de Moraes) Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2003 19:49:57 -0300 Subject: error: abuse of service Message-ID: <1065394197.8746.1.camel@techbyte.com.br> I'm trying to update my Fedora Beta2 system, and got the following error, how do I fix this? [root at techbyte root]# up2date -u --nox Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/sbin/up2date", line 1165, in ? sys.exit(main() or 0) File "/usr/sbin/up2date", line 639, in main up2dateAuth.updateLoginInfo() File "up2dateAuth.py", line 139, in updateLoginInfo File "up2dateAuth.py", line 116, in login up2date_client.up2dateErrors.AbuseError: Error Message: Abuse of Service detected for server techbyte.com.br (1003748733) Error Class Code: 49 Error Class Info: You are getting this error because RHN has detected an abuse of service from this system and account. This error is triggered when your system makes too many connections to Red Hat Network. This error can not be triggered under a normal use of the Red Hat Network service as configured by default on Red Hat Linux. The Red Hat Network services for this system will remain disabled until you will reduce the RHN network traffic from your system to acceptable limits. 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URL: From mb/redhat at dcs.qmul.ac.uk Sun Oct 5 23:07:13 2003 From: mb/redhat at dcs.qmul.ac.uk (Matt Bernstein) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 00:07:13 +0100 (BST) Subject: Discrepancy on Firewall page of 0.94 Install In-Reply-To: <1065209622.14406.218.camel@mirkwood.devel.redhat.com> References: <1121202.1065206518369.JavaMail.kforsber@mac.com> <1065209622.14406.218.camel@mirkwood.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: On Oct 3 Jeremy Katz wrote: >Yes, this is a "please search for dupes before filing things" mail :-) ^^^ ^^^^^ Nice.. another one for irony corner :) From cochranb at speakeasy.net Sun Oct 5 23:11:22 2003 From: cochranb at speakeasy.net (Robert L Cochran) Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2003 19:11:22 -0400 Subject: Gnome Crashes ; /dev Files Not Created In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3F80A51A.30605@speakeasy.net> Hi Tom, I agree. Something is borked. No new updates from tbe beta2 RHN channel yet. I bet a bunch of people are sweating this one! Bob Tom Diehl wrote: > On Sun, 5 Oct 2003, Robert L Cochran wrote: > > >>As of October 5, the latest set of updates from the RHN Severn channel >>causes Gnome to crash messily. On my older Dell XPS T550 desktop, I get >>these Gnome messages: >> >>"The greeter program appears to be crashing. I will attempt to use a >>different one." > > > Bob, > Have a look here: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=106189 > > I think a lot of people are seeing this. Something is definitely borked. > > HTH, > -- Bob Cochran Greenbelt, Maryland, USA http://greenbeltcomputer.biz/ From cochranb at speakeasy.net Sun Oct 5 23:23:00 2003 From: cochranb at speakeasy.net (Robert L Cochran) Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2003 19:23:00 -0400 Subject: anaconda monitor resolution bug In-Reply-To: <1065390908.4123.24.camel@ibmLaptop> References: <1065390908.4123.24.camel@ibmLaptop> Message-ID: <3F80A7D4.5080702@speakeasy.net> Oh, I've noticed this before, but not under Severn. But my memory is vague. I think I had a problem getting resolutions better than 1024 X 768 using an ATI Radeon 9000 card and a Dell D1226H monitor, but I can't remember the circumstances. In Red Hat 9, with the same Radeon card and my new ViewSonic A90f+ monitor, I'm doing 1280 X 1024, so it might be that my old Dell monitor was going bad? It should be able to support better than 1024 X 768, but this monitor is more than 5 years old now. Bob Peter Boy wrote: > I just did a fresh install of severn/test 2. During installation I > explicitely selected custom LCD 1400*1050 ( IBM Thinkpad T40p). But > after installation it booted in 1024*768, the resolution during > installation. > > Did someone else observed this behaviour or is it specific to my > equipment and not worth a bug report? > > > Peter > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > -- Bob Cochran Greenbelt, Maryland, USA http://greenbeltcomputer.biz/ From jaap_haitsma at zonnet.nl Sun Oct 5 23:24:03 2003 From: jaap_haitsma at zonnet.nl (Jaap A. Haitsma) Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 01:24:03 +0200 Subject: Locales question Message-ID: <3F80A813.7010809@zonnet.nl> Hi, I have the following question. I'm always logging in with US English as the language. I'm Dutch, but I get confused with a desktop and programs in Dutch. However I would like to have date / money / number/ time etc. etc. in the Dutch format. I added variables to /etc/sysconfig/i18n to make all the locale variables Dutch except the language. However programs like mozilla mail still keep the american date format. If I log in with Dutch as the language the format is good, but then I have all my programs in Dutch :-(. Anybody know how to solve this? BTW a graphical tool to set these things would also be nice. This is the output locale gives after I changed i18n LANG=en_US.UTF-8 LC_CTYPE=nl_NL.UTF-8 LC_NUMERIC=nl_NL.UTF-8 LC_TIME=nl_NL.UTF-8 LC_COLLATE=nl_NL.UTF-8 LC_MONETARY=nl_NL.UTF-8 LC_MESSAGES=nl_NL.UTF-8 LC_PAPER=nl_NL.UTF-8 LC_NAME=nl_NL.UTF-8 LC_ADDRESS=nl_NL.UTF-8 LC_TELEPHONE=nl_NL.UTF-8 LC_MEASUREMENT=nl_NL.UTF-8 LC_IDENTIFICATION=nl_NL.UTF-8 LC_ALL= Seems OK to me, but mozilla mail still does not change to a dutch date format even if I change LANG also to nl_NL.UTF-8 and login with American English. Thanks Jaap From JDrabb at tampabay.rr.com Sun Oct 5 23:56:11 2003 From: JDrabb at tampabay.rr.com (James Drabb) Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2003 19:56:11 -0400 Subject: Nautilus crashes when setting file properties Message-ID: <1065398171.4832.15.camel@keelie.tampabay.rr.com> Hey group, I just logged this bug, however I wanted to see if this is isolated to just my system: Steps to Reproduce: 1. Create a new directory: mkdir ~/test 2. Give 555 permissions: chmod 555 ~/test 3. Open nautilus and right click on the test directory then choose properties and go to the permissions tab. Click on the write check box for the user and nautilus will crash every time. Jim Drabb -- James Drabb Senior Programmer Analyst Davenport, FL USA From jaap_haitsma at zonnet.nl Mon Oct 6 00:29:31 2003 From: jaap_haitsma at zonnet.nl (Jaap A. Haitsma) Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 02:29:31 +0200 Subject: Locales question In-Reply-To: <3F80A813.7010809@zonnet.nl> References: <3F80A813.7010809@zonnet.nl> Message-ID: <3F80B76B.20308@zonnet.nl> Fixed it. Had to downgrade the broken gdm to the version before the upgrade, and then changed the /etc/sysconfig/i18n to LANG="en_US.UTF-8" SUPPORTED="en_US.UTF-8:en_US:en" SYSFONT="latarcyrheb-sun16" LC_CTYPE="nl_NL.UTF-8" LC_NUMERIC="nl_NL.UTF-8" LC_TIME="nl_NL.UTF-8" LC_COLLATE="nl_NL.UTF-8" LC_MONETARY="nl_NL.UTF-8" LC_MESSAGES="en_US.UTF-8" LC_PAPER="nl_NL.UTF-8" LC_NAME="nl_NL.UTF-8" LC_ADDRESS="nl_NL.UTF-8" LC_TELEPHONE="nl_NL.UTF-8" LC_MEASUREMENT="nl_NL.UTF-8" LC_IDENTIFICATION="nl_NL.UTF-8" Jaap A. Haitsma wrote: > Hi, > > I have the following question. I'm always logging in with US English as > the language. I'm Dutch, but I get confused with a desktop and programs > in Dutch. However I would like to have date / money / number/ time etc. > etc. in the Dutch format. > > I added variables to /etc/sysconfig/i18n to make all the locale > variables Dutch except the language. However programs like mozilla mail > still keep the american date format. If I log in with Dutch as the > language the format is good, but then I have all my programs in Dutch :-(. > > Anybody know how to solve this? BTW a graphical tool to set these things > would also be nice. > > This is the output locale gives after I changed i18n > > LANG=en_US.UTF-8 > LC_CTYPE=nl_NL.UTF-8 > LC_NUMERIC=nl_NL.UTF-8 > LC_TIME=nl_NL.UTF-8 > LC_COLLATE=nl_NL.UTF-8 > LC_MONETARY=nl_NL.UTF-8 > LC_MESSAGES=nl_NL.UTF-8 > LC_PAPER=nl_NL.UTF-8 > LC_NAME=nl_NL.UTF-8 > LC_ADDRESS=nl_NL.UTF-8 > LC_TELEPHONE=nl_NL.UTF-8 > LC_MEASUREMENT=nl_NL.UTF-8 > LC_IDENTIFICATION=nl_NL.UTF-8 > LC_ALL= > > Seems OK to me, but mozilla mail still does not change to a dutch date > format even if I change LANG also to nl_NL.UTF-8 and login with American > English. > > Thanks > > Jaap > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > From paul.morgan at jumanjihouse.com Mon Oct 6 00:42:29 2003 From: paul.morgan at jumanjihouse.com (Paul Morgan) Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2003 19:42:29 -0500 Subject: Nautilus crashes when setting file properties In-Reply-To: <1065398171.4832.15.camel@keelie.tampabay.rr.com> References: <1065398171.4832.15.camel@keelie.tampabay.rr.com> Message-ID: <1065400949.22954.2.camel@vaio.jumanjihouse.com> On Sun, 2003-10-05 at 18:56, James Drabb wrote: > I just logged this bug, however I wanted to see if this is isolated > to just my system: > > Steps to Reproduce: > 1. Create a new directory: mkdir ~/test > 2. Give 555 permissions: chmod 555 ~/test > 3. Open nautilus and right click on the test directory then choose properties > and go to the permissions tab. Click on the write check box for the user and > nautilus will crash every time. The steps did not crash nautilus on my system (fedora core test2 up2date as of saturday am). After clicking write and ok for owner, it gave me write perms and removed the no-write icon as expected. hth - paul From xose at wanadoo.es Mon Oct 6 00:48:59 2003 From: xose at wanadoo.es (Xose Vazquez Perez) Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 02:48:59 +0200 Subject: Performance testing (pass 1) Message-ID: <3F80BBFB.8020100@wanadoo.es> Stephan Schutter wrote: > I compared Windows XP and RHL 9 on a Dell Laptop (C610) > [...] > One of the original sugestions of why to use Linux is that it could buy > you longer life on the old hardware... this does not seem to be the case. Windows XP use a set of NTFS utils(defrag, cache manager,...) to load binaries and to boot faster: more information at 'Prefetch' secction: http://msdn.microsoft.com/msdnmag/issues/01/12/xpkernel/print.asp Gentoo has a comparative about load times with prelink and w/o it: http://www.gentoo.org/main/en/performance.xml -- :x From michal at harddata.com Mon Oct 6 01:10:12 2003 From: michal at harddata.com (Michal Jaegermann) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 19:10:12 -0600 Subject: Grub stage1 file error In-Reply-To: <1F336C4559FF244A90D52EFEABE98AD607CC5D@nimo.nhpro.kw>; from ossamak@nht.com.kw on Sun, Oct 05, 2003 at 09:58:49PM +0300 References: <1F336C4559FF244A90D52EFEABE98AD607CC5D@nimo.nhpro.kw> Message-ID: <20031005191012.A16756@mail.harddata.com> On Sun, Oct 05, 2003 at 09:58:49PM +0300, Ossama Khayaat wrote: > Michael and Michael, thanks very much for your responses. > I'll try to use 'parted' to check the type of partition again. > The problem is that even when I created a GRUB boot disk, and used the > GRUB command line to manually boot the partition, it couldn't read it. ..... > One more question is, say that it is a FAT16 partition, I tried to explain that the most likely reason for the first problem is that second one (which is really only a "problem" and trivial to fix). > and I want to > convert it to ext3 without formatting. How can I do this? If you really have on it a FAT file system then you cannot. But if a file system is ext3 and only a tag in a partition table shows a "wrong type" then just fire up fdisk, or sfdisk, and simply change it. It is a 't' request in fdisk and 'man sfdisk' has an example showing how to change a partition type. After that try installing grub again. Here is a literal quote from 'man sfdisk': ... This option has the two very long forms --print-id and --change-id. For example: % sfdisk --print-id /dev/hdb 5 6 % sfdisk --change-id /dev/hdb 5 83 OK first reports that /dev/hdb5 has Id 6, and then changes that into 83. Michal From jgeorgeson at lopht.net Mon Oct 6 01:15:47 2003 From: jgeorgeson at lopht.net (Justin Georgeson) Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2003 20:15:47 -0500 Subject: updates via apt Message-ID: <3F80C243.7050402@lopht.net> Are the updates in the up2date channel for test2 going to propagate over to the apt repository on fedora.us? From tdiehl at rogueind.com Mon Oct 6 01:25:52 2003 From: tdiehl at rogueind.com (Tom Diehl) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 21:25:52 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Gnome Crashes ; /dev Files Not Created In-Reply-To: <3F80A51A.30605@speakeasy.net> Message-ID: On Sun, 5 Oct 2003, Robert L Cochran wrote: > Hi Tom, > > I agree. Something is borked. No new updates from tbe beta2 RHN channel > yet. I bet a bunch of people are sweating this one! It hosed my test box for sure. However since it is a test box I do not really care. :-) When a fix is out I will most likely pxeboot the thing and reinstall. I like to test the pxeboot/anaconda stuff regularly. I have really gotten spoiled by all of this network install stuff. :-) I figure the developers and QA people are off enjoying the nice weather and will look at the problems on Monday. -- ......Tom Registered Linux User #14522 http://counter.li.org tdiehl at rogueind.com My current SpamTrap -------> mtd123 at rogueind.com From tdiehl at rogueind.com Mon Oct 6 01:28:22 2003 From: tdiehl at rogueind.com (Tom Diehl) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 21:28:22 -0400 (EDT) Subject: updates via apt In-Reply-To: <3F80C243.7050402@lopht.net> Message-ID: On Sun, 5 Oct 2003, Justin Georgeson wrote: > Are the updates in the up2date channel for test2 going to propagate over > to the apt repository on fedora.us? I do not use apt but if fedora.us has a rawhide repository then that is the same thing. HTH, -- ......Tom Registered Linux User #14522 http://counter.li.org tdiehl at rogueind.com My current SpamTrap -------> mtd123 at rogueind.com From redhat-jc at insight.rr.com Mon Oct 6 01:31:54 2003 From: redhat-jc at insight.rr.com (Jim Cornette) Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2003 21:31:54 -0400 Subject: mozilla 1.4 In-Reply-To: <3F7E3738.5060704@cfl.rr.com> References: <200310031810.h93IAxK02597@garfield.bwh.harvard.edu> <3F7E35F2.8090103@insight.rr.com> <3F7E3738.5060704@cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: <3F80C60A.3090409@insight.rr.com> Mario wrote: > > > Jim Cornette wrote: > >> Andre Robatino wrote: >> >>>> FWIW, and as a test, I'm posting with Mozilla 1.4. No lockups as >>>> reported by a poster here on the list. >>>> >>>> Elton ; -) >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Today's updates fixed both Mozilla and Konqueror for me (which is >>> how I >>> was able to file the other bug report :). My hardware is >>> >>> [andre at localhost andre]$ uname -a >>> Linux localhost.localdomain 2.4.22-1.2084.nptl #1 Thu Oct 2 15:00:07 >>> EDT 2003 i686 athlon i386 GNU/Linux >>> >>> so maybe one of the processor-specific RPMs accounts for why the games >>> break only on some systems. >> >> >> >> Until the updates for the later afternoon. Mozilla was broken for >> mail. It seems like they got it back on the right road again. >> >> Does anyone know if moz will be getting a spell checking feature in >> the near future? >> >> I like the mailer a lot better than other mail programs. Mainly the >> mutiple accounts divided so filters don't have to be messed with and >> you can expect each mail account to contain certain subject matters. >> But you can check them all within the same session. >> >> Evolution's lumping all chosen accounts into one mesh makes knowing >> which mail account the message came from and which address to send out >> the mail very confusing, at least for me. >> >> >> Jim >> >> > Hi Jim, > > I understand that the speelchecker comes by default in Mozilla 1.5 > For 1.4 or older try http://spellchecker.mozdev.org/ then follow the > Installation link. > > Regards > Mario > Thanks for the info about 1.5 versions of mozilla including the spell checker. I'll look into the spellchecker feature from the link. Jim -- If an S and an I and an O and a U With an X at the end spell Su; And an E and a Y and an E spell I, Pray what is a speller to do? Then, if also an S and an I and a G And an HED spell side, There's nothing much left for a speller to do But to go commit siouxeyesighed. -- Charles Follen Adams, "An Orthographic Lament" From jgeorgeson at lopht.net Mon Oct 6 01:36:37 2003 From: jgeorgeson at lopht.net (Justin Georgeson) Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2003 20:36:37 -0500 Subject: updates via apt In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3F80C725.4040909@lopht.net> Thanks for the tip, but I don't see one. :( Tom Diehl wrote: > On Sun, 5 Oct 2003, Justin Georgeson wrote: > > >>Are the updates in the up2date channel for test2 going to propagate over >>to the apt repository on fedora.us? > > > I do not use apt but if fedora.us has a rawhide repository then that is the > same thing. > > HTH, > From redhat-jc at insight.rr.com Mon Oct 6 01:47:45 2003 From: redhat-jc at insight.rr.com (Jim Cornette) Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2003 21:47:45 -0400 Subject: mozilla 1.4 - xpi addinng spellchecker In-Reply-To: <3F7E3738.5060704@cfl.rr.com> References: <200310031810.h93IAxK02597@garfield.bwh.harvard.edu> <3F7E35F2.8090103@insight.rr.com> <3F7E3738.5060704@cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: <3F80C9C1.8050301@insight.rr.com> Mario wrote: > Hi Jim, > > I understand that the spell checker comes by default in Mozilla 1.5 > For 1.4 or older try http://spell checker.mozdev.org/ then follow the > Installation link. > > Regards > Mario I haven't tried using an xpi install before with Linux. I used it before with Windows. It was too easy to install the spell checker to mozilla. Thanks for the link. I hope we get it installed with the Fedora Core release. But if not, the installation is pretty painless. Jim From cochranb at speakeasy.net Mon Oct 6 01:52:14 2003 From: cochranb at speakeasy.net (Robert L Cochran) Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2003 21:52:14 -0400 Subject: Gnome Crashes ; /dev Files Not Created In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3F80CACE.7070105@speakeasy.net> Hi Tom, I want to try pxebooting too! I'll have to put in some serious work for that! :-) Bob Tom Diehl wrote: > On Sun, 5 Oct 2003, Robert L Cochran wrote: > > >>Hi Tom, >> >>I agree. Something is borked. No new updates from tbe beta2 RHN channel >>yet. I bet a bunch of people are sweating this one! > > > It hosed my test box for sure. However since it is a test box I do not really > care. :-) When a fix is out I will most likely pxeboot the thing and reinstall. > I like to test the pxeboot/anaconda stuff regularly. I have really gotten > spoiled by all of this network install stuff. :-) > > I figure the developers and QA people are off enjoying the nice weather and > will look at the problems on Monday. > -- Bob Cochran Greenbelt, Maryland, USA http://greenbeltcomputer.biz/ From cochranb at speakeasy.net Mon Oct 6 02:10:00 2003 From: cochranb at speakeasy.net (Robert L Cochran) Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2003 22:10:00 -0400 Subject: Grub stage1 file error In-Reply-To: <20031005191012.A16756@mail.harddata.com> References: <1F336C4559FF244A90D52EFEABE98AD607CC5D@nimo.nhpro.kw> <20031005191012.A16756@mail.harddata.com> Message-ID: <3F80CEF8.8070804@speakeasy.net> Of course this is supposedly a fresh install of Fedora 2. The original complaint is that the machine won't boot. There could be many reasons why not and it seems very clear to me that partitioning and grub is probably not at fault here. With a little thinking: Fedora creates ext3 partitions by default. There have been no reports of it creating FAT16 partitions. There have been no reports by others of Grub having significant problems. At least, I haven't noticed any, and a search of Bugzilla shows no bug reports for grub. The real problem is elsewhere and won't be solved with fdisk. The person having this problem should post the dmesg output, if it still exists by now. Bob Michal Jaegermann wrote: > On Sun, Oct 05, 2003 at 09:58:49PM +0300, Ossama Khayaat wrote: > >>Michael and Michael, thanks very much for your responses. >>I'll try to use 'parted' to check the type of partition again. >>The problem is that even when I created a GRUB boot disk, and used the >>GRUB command line to manually boot the partition, it couldn't read it. > > ..... > >>One more question is, say that it is a FAT16 partition, > > > I tried to explain that the most likely reason for the first problem > is that second one (which is really only a "problem" and trivial to > fix). > > >>and I want to >>convert it to ext3 without formatting. How can I do this? > > > If you really have on it a FAT file system then you cannot. But if > a file system is ext3 and only a tag in a partition table shows a > "wrong type" then just fire up fdisk, or sfdisk, and simply change > it. It is a 't' request in fdisk and 'man sfdisk' has an example > showing how to change a partition type. After that try installing > grub again. > > Here is a literal quote from 'man sfdisk': > > ... This option has the two > very long forms --print-id and --change-id. For > example: > % sfdisk --print-id /dev/hdb 5 > 6 > % sfdisk --change-id /dev/hdb 5 83 > OK > first reports that /dev/hdb5 has Id 6, and then > changes that into 83. > > Michal > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > -- Bob Cochran Greenbelt, Maryland, USA http://greenbeltcomputer.biz/ From tdiehl at rogueind.com Mon Oct 6 02:10:28 2003 From: tdiehl at rogueind.com (Tom Diehl) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 22:10:28 -0400 (EDT) Subject: pxeboot info Was: Re: Gnome Crashes In-Reply-To: <3F80CACE.7070105@speakeasy.net> Message-ID: On Sun, 5 Oct 2003, Robert L Cochran wrote: > Hi Tom, > > I want to try pxebooting too! I'll have to put in some serious work for > that! It is pretty easy if you have a machine that has a nic that supports it. Do not use the pxe rpm. Use a linux dhcp server and tftp. If you want config file examples etc. let me know. the mistake I made when I set it up initally was to try to use then pxe rpm. It works but the documentation is borked and using a linux dhcp server is much easier. Of course if for some reason you cannot use a linux dhcp server then AFAIK the pxe rpm and tftp are your only choice. :-( FWIW building a ks.cfg file that suits your needs is much harder than getting pxeboot to work. -- ......Tom Registered Linux User #14522 http://counter.li.org tdiehl at rogueind.com My current SpamTrap -------> mtd123 at rogueind.com From tdiehl at rogueind.com Mon Oct 6 02:17:36 2003 From: tdiehl at rogueind.com (Tom Diehl) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 22:17:36 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Grub stage1 file error In-Reply-To: <3F80CEF8.8070804@speakeasy.net> Message-ID: On Sun, 5 Oct 2003, Robert L Cochran wrote: > Of course this is supposedly a fresh install of Fedora 2. The original > complaint is that the machine won't boot. There could be many reasons > why not and it seems very clear to me that partitioning and grub is > probably not at fault here. With a little thinking: > > Fedora creates ext3 partitions by default. There have been no reports of > it creating FAT16 partitions. > > There have been no reports by others of Grub having significant > problems. At least, I haven't noticed any, and a search of Bugzilla > shows no bug reports for grub. Actually there was a problem with grub that is supposed to be fixed in rawhide but I have not had time to test it. I doubt it has anything to do with this particular problem but just in case here it is: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=90306 HTH, -- ......Tom Registered Linux User #14522 http://counter.li.org tdiehl at rogueind.com My current SpamTrap -------> mtd123 at rogueind.com From ms-nospam-0306 at arcor.de Mon Oct 6 02:26:36 2003 From: ms-nospam-0306 at arcor.de (Michael Schwendt) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 04:26:36 +0200 Subject: Grub stage1 file error In-Reply-To: <3F80CEF8.8070804@speakeasy.net> References: <1F336C4559FF244A90D52EFEABE98AD607CC5D@nimo.nhpro.kw> <20031005191012.A16756@mail.harddata.com> <3F80CEF8.8070804@speakeasy.net> Message-ID: <20031006042636.1bfd300d.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Sun, 05 Oct 2003 22:10:00 -0400, Robert L Cochran wrote: > Of course this is supposedly a fresh install of Fedora 2. The original > complaint is that the machine won't boot. There could be many reasons > why not and it seems very clear to me that partitioning and grub is > probably not at fault here. With a little thinking: [let me make an exception to my rule and reply to a top post, it might not happen again, though] I don't agree at all with what you think is "very clear". Anaconda allows manual partitioning where you can take over existing partitions. You can even skip formatting existing partitions. You can mke2fs a FAT16 partition. As mentioned earlier, Anaconda's partitioning tool builds upon "parted" which doesn't evaluate partition type flags, but examines the actual file-system on a partition. Hence when fdisk says the partition type is FAT16 and parted says the file-system on that partition is ext3, it's ext3 on a FAT16 partition. > The real problem is elsewhere and won't be solved with fdisk. I disagree strongly. The OP should switch the partition type to "Linux", so any tool -- e.g. a bootloader like GRUB which implements native file-system access to load files -- is not confused. GRUB would use a FAT driver to access an ext3 file-system. IMO, this is *very* likely to be the problem. And yes, I've seen cases of file-system/partiton-type confusion before. - -- Michael, who doesn't reply to top posts and complete quotes anymore. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/gNLc0iMVcrivHFQRAi9aAJsHyd+UU5pkOwXz8K93MhgZyVZ2vwCeNSbH Mybg5xXY/YDA1ThI43zaSm8= =eshd -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From chuck.price at cox.net Mon Oct 6 02:36:30 2003 From: chuck.price at cox.net (Chuck Price) Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2003 19:36:30 -0700 Subject: Nautilus crashes when setting file properties In-Reply-To: <1065400949.22954.2.camel@vaio.jumanjihouse.com> References: <1065398171.4832.15.camel@keelie.tampabay.rr.com> <1065400949.22954.2.camel@vaio.jumanjihouse.com> Message-ID: <3F80D52E.5080700@cox.net> Paul Morgan wrote: >On Sun, 2003-10-05 at 18:56, James Drabb wrote: > > >>I just logged this bug, however I wanted to see if this is isolated >>to just my system: >> >>Steps to Reproduce: >>1. Create a new directory: mkdir ~/test >>2. Give 555 permissions: chmod 555 ~/test >>3. Open nautilus and right click on the test directory then choose properties >> and go to the permissions tab. Click on the write check box for the user and >> nautilus will crash every time. >> >> > >The steps did not crash nautilus on my system (fedora core test2 up2date >as of saturday am). After clicking write and ok for owner, it gave me >write perms and removed the no-write icon as expected. hth - paul > > > My system was doing that a couple days ago. Before I had a chance to reconfirm it, I ran up2date, and it no longer happens. May have been addressed in the last updates. chuck From fedora at warmcat.com Sun Oct 5 20:36:09 2003 From: fedora at warmcat.com (Andy Green) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 21:36:09 +0100 Subject: Alsa probs? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200310052136.09101.fedora@warmcat.com> On Sunday 05 October 2003 16:38, Ingo Molnar wrote: > On Sun, 5 Oct 2003, Alastair Porter wrote: > > On Sun, 2003-10-05 at 22:19, Andy Green wrote: > > > So everything is good except.... alsamixer segfaults on startup > > > > > > [root at localhost alsa-driver-0.9.7a]# alsamixer > > > Segmentation fault > > > > Turning off exec-shield fixes this. > > does it work if you do 'setarch i386 alsamixer'? I didn't try this because after up2date-ing earlier thisevening, alsamixer now works fine despite: $ cat /proc/sys/kernel/exec-shield 1 xmms alsa9 output continues to work okay too, well done whoever fixed it. -Andy From craig at postnewspapers.com.au Mon Oct 6 03:18:45 2003 From: craig at postnewspapers.com.au (Craig Ringer) Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 11:18:45 +0800 Subject: pxeboot info Was: Re: Gnome Crashes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3F80DF15.6010602@postnewspapers.com.au> >>I want to try pxebooting too! I'll have to put in some serious work for >>that! > > It is pretty easy if you have a machine that has a nic that supports it. I've found it much less fuss to chain-load etherboot using PXE, then have etherboot do the rest. Of course, YYMV. Craig Ringer From cochranb at speakeasy.net Mon Oct 6 03:30:15 2003 From: cochranb at speakeasy.net (Robert L Cochran) Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2003 23:30:15 -0400 Subject: Grub stage1 file error In-Reply-To: <20031006042636.1bfd300d.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de> References: <1F336C4559FF244A90D52EFEABE98AD607CC5D@nimo.nhpro.kw> <20031005191012.A16756@mail.harddata.com> <3F80CEF8.8070804@speakeasy.net> <20031006042636.1bfd300d.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de> Message-ID: <3F80E1C7.9020305@speakeasy.net> Michael Schwendt wrote: > I don't agree at all with what you think is "very clear". Anaconda > allows manual partitioning where you can take over existing > partitions. You can even skip formatting existing partitions. I've never personally fed a FAT16 partition to anaconda just to see whether I could overlay it with a Linux system. So I can't say what would happen here. Perhaps I can experiment just to find out. Say, try to assign mount points to a FAT16 partition. But where will I put \ if I have a FAT16 partition taking up the whole disk and I need \boot to be the first partition? And where is swap going to live? If you activate swap, that formats it. I don't think the installer lets you continue the installation process unless you have /boot, /, and swap at a minimum. But most FAT16 partitions take up the entire physical drive. You very quickly find yourself forced to partition as part of the installation process. And if you do that with disk druid, FAT16 is not one of the available partition types. But let's suppose you somehow have 3 FAT16 partitions on a drive or on 3 separate drives in the system. Does the installer mount them as FAT16 or ext3? I don't know. I don't know how you can actually write data to a partition not supported by the installer. >>The real problem is elsewhere and won't be solved with fdisk. > > > I disagree strongly. The OP should switch the partition type to > "Linux", so any tool -- e.g. a bootloader like GRUB which implements > native file-system access to load files -- is not confused. GRUB would > use a FAT driver to access an ext3 file-system. > > IMO, this is *very* likely to be the problem. And yes, I've seen cases > of file-system/partiton-type confusion before. > Correct me if I'm wrong: you go into fdisk, change a partition type to x'83', Linux ext3, write the change to the partition table, and what is the next step? I've done this several times and I think you have to format the partition. How else can you get your inodes and journalling done? Formatting destroys everything on the drive. Which will surely not boot the system. Are you saying that you can just change a partition type from FAT16 to ext3 and, without formatting it, get Grub to work with it? And subsequently boot to such a partition? If so, then that is something new to me. I've never done that before. More information from the user will help pinpoint the issue. The user did not post very much detail to start with and didn't really give enough detail subsequently. Bob > - -- > Michael, who doesn't reply to top posts and complete quotes anymore. > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQE/gNLc0iMVcrivHFQRAi9aAJsHyd+UU5pkOwXz8K93MhgZyVZ2vwCeNSbH > Mybg5xXY/YDA1ThI43zaSm8= > =eshd > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > -- Bob Cochran Greenbelt, Maryland, USA http://greenbeltcomputer.biz/ From ms-nospam-0306 at arcor.de Mon Oct 6 03:57:56 2003 From: ms-nospam-0306 at arcor.de (Michael Schwendt) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 05:57:56 +0200 Subject: Grub stage1 file error In-Reply-To: <3F80E1C7.9020305@speakeasy.net> References: <1F336C4559FF244A90D52EFEABE98AD607CC5D@nimo.nhpro.kw> <20031005191012.A16756@mail.harddata.com> <3F80CEF8.8070804@speakeasy.net> <20031006042636.1bfd300d.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de> <3F80E1C7.9020305@speakeasy.net> Message-ID: <20031006055756.4daf671e.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Sun, 05 Oct 2003 23:30:15 -0400, Robert L Cochran wrote: > Say, try > to assign mount points to a FAT16 partition. But where will I put \ if I > have a FAT16 partition taking up the whole disk and I need \boot to be > the first partition? Who says there is only a single FAT16 partition on the disk? And why \ and \boot instead of / and /boot? > And where is swap going to live? On any partition the user marks as becoming the swap partition. > If you activate swap, that formats it. "mkswap" doesn't complain when being fed with a FAT16 partition. A partition is a partition. It doesn't matter what you store in it. > I don't think the installer lets you continue the installation process > unless you have /boot, /, and swap at a minimum. /boot is optional. I'm not sure about swap right now. I think it's optional, too. > But most FAT16 partitions take up the entire physical drive. Hmmm... most Windows users have lots of logical drives, because they have lots of separate partitions on multiple drives. That's my own experience. YMMV. > You very quickly find > yourself forced to partition as part of the installation process. And if > you do that with disk druid, FAT16 is not one of the available partition > types. You can assign _existing_ partitions to mount points. The installer does not force you to repartition the drive. > But let's suppose you somehow have 3 FAT16 partitions on a drive or on 3 > separate drives in the system. Does the installer mount them as FAT16 or > ext3? I don't know. ext3, of course, because the partition gets formatted as ext3. Unless the user forces the installer to skip the formatting. mke2fs doesn't complain when it is passed a FAT16 partition. > I don't know how you can actually write data to a > partition not supported by the installer. A partition is a partition. The file-system on it is a separate concept. > Correct me if I'm wrong: you go into fdisk, change a partition type to > x'83', Linux ext3, write the change to the partition table, and what is > the next step? None. You're done. > I've done this several times and I think you have to > format the partition. Why? Do you reformat your partitions when you toggle the "bootable" or "hidden" flag? The steps you describe apply to an unformatted disk. > How else can you get your inodes and journalling done? The user has created the ext3 file-system already when he installed Fedora. > Are you saying that you can just change a partition type from FAT16 to > ext3 and, without formatting it, Exactly. > get Grub to work with it? No time to read the GRUB source code, but I *assume* it then accesses the partition with its ext2 fs support module, whereas if the partition is FAT16 it would use the VFAT driver. > More information from the user will help pinpoint the issue. The user > did not post very much detail to start with and didn't really give > enough detail subsequently. But of course. He wrote, fdisk says the partition is FAT16, parted says its ext3. fdisk examines the partition type, parted examines the file-system type. - -- Michael, who doesn't reply to top posts and complete quotes anymore. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/gOhE0iMVcrivHFQRAgVLAJ9LHIJTyvdTMp47YGqduDOhflVJ8ACfZMH7 NK8wmeBLhH2fVuSpCC9nsXo= =CG8m -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From michal at harddata.com Mon Oct 6 04:50:31 2003 From: michal at harddata.com (Michal Jaegermann) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 22:50:31 -0600 Subject: Grub stage1 file error In-Reply-To: <3F80E1C7.9020305@speakeasy.net>; from cochranb@speakeasy.net on Sun, Oct 05, 2003 at 11:30:15PM -0400 References: <1F336C4559FF244A90D52EFEABE98AD607CC5D@nimo.nhpro.kw> <20031005191012.A16756@mail.harddata.com> <3F80CEF8.8070804@speakeasy.net> <20031006042636.1bfd300d.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de> <3F80E1C7.9020305@speakeasy.net> Message-ID: <20031005225031.B18876@mail.harddata.com> On Sun, Oct 05, 2003 at 11:30:15PM -0400, Robert L Cochran wrote: > > > Correct me if I'm wrong: you go into fdisk, change a partition type to > x'83', Linux ext3, write the change to the partition table, and what is > the next step? In changing a partition table? None. You are done. > I've done this several times and I think you have to > format the partition. How else can you get your inodes and journalling > done? Changing types on partitions will NOT change anything about file systems there and 'mount' is not paying _any_ attention to a partition table. A file system which was there before is still present. During the boot starting sectors of partitions are recorded so 'mount' will know where to start looking for a given file system. You can change partitions type markers any way you please and this will have a zero effect on an operation of Linux. This may confuse _you_ but this is another story. As a matter of fact you can erase a partition table on a running system and it will still function as usual until you will try to reboot it. If you saved a partition information and you will restore later partition boundaries then your file systems will "magically" reappear. Grub is a special case. It is a bootloader. That means that it runs before any OS is up and it has to find somehow some files which are needed to boot. It seems to be looking at these type markers to decide which way of searching to apply. The same applies to any other bootloader; only methods of "finding" something may be different. > Formatting destroys everything on the drive. Who said anything about formattting? Michal From notting at redhat.com Mon Oct 6 05:42:59 2003 From: notting at redhat.com (Bill Nottingham) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 01:42:59 -0400 Subject: problems updating from fedora 0.94 In-Reply-To: <000201c38aa0$c775ea60$6501a8c0@icontrolinc.com>; from mhowell@northlink.com on Sat, Oct 04, 2003 at 10:56:03AM -0700 References: <20031003153217.F1566@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <000201c38aa0$c775ea60$6501a8c0@icontrolinc.com> Message-ID: <20031006014259.A12313@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Mark Howell (mhowell at northlink.com) said: > Removing it made it possible to update the other dbus pkgs. > > Out of curiosity, any particular reason dbus-qt was removed? Wasn't building ATM and wasn't actually wired up to do something useful when it was building, IIRC. Havoc knows for sure. Bill From notting at redhat.com Mon Oct 6 05:56:04 2003 From: notting at redhat.com (Bill Nottingham) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 01:56:04 -0400 Subject: Graphical boot issues: a.o. graphical boot twice slower then text boot!!! In-Reply-To: <3F8004E1.7020808@zonnet.nl>; from jaap_haitsma@zonnet.nl on Sun, Oct 05, 2003 at 01:47:45PM +0200 References: <3F8004E1.7020808@zonnet.nl> Message-ID: <20031006015604.E12313@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Jaap A. Haitsma (jaap_haitsma at zonnet.nl) said: > The problem seems to be the kudzu service, which probes for new devices. > If I disable the kudzu service a graphical boot takes also 1 minute. > > Anybody experiencing the same thing? It probably found a change (there are some cases where X running causes mouse probe problems) and is timing out waiting for keyboard input. > Other problem with graphical boot, when I push "I" for an interactive > init the system freezes after completing about 25% of the progress bar Don't do that for now. :) Seriously, that needs fixed to do something more sanely. Bill From warren at togami.com Mon Oct 6 07:38:57 2003 From: warren at togami.com (Warren Togami) Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2003 21:38:57 -1000 Subject: updates via apt In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3F811C11.7050604@togami.com> Tom Diehl wrote: > On Sun, 5 Oct 2003, Justin Georgeson wrote: > > >>Are the updates in the up2date channel for test2 going to propagate over >>to the apt repository on fedora.us? > > > I do not use apt but if fedora.us has a rawhide repository then that is the > same thing. > > HTH, > fedora.us currently does not have rawhide in the 0.94 updates component because I still do not have a workable solution in obtaining signed packages. The packages in rawhide are signed by 2-3 differnt keys, and many packages there are not signed at all. I have been unable to find a workable solution in using the up2date client in obtaining all necessary packages too. Can somebody at RH please help me with this situation? Warren From ossamak at nht.com.kw Mon Oct 6 08:02:52 2003 From: ossamak at nht.com.kw (Ossama Khayaat) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 11:02:52 +0300 Subject: Grub stage1 file error Message-ID: <1F336C4559FF244A90D52EFEABE98AD607CC5E@nimo.nhpro.kw> > From: Robert L Cochran [mailto:cochranb at speakeasy.net] > Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2003 10:10 PM > To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com > Subject: Re: Grub stage1 file error > > Let's start from the very beginning. > > When you wrote your CD using the ISO images, did you mediacheck the CDs > before trying to install Fedora on your machine? The ISOs were valid and so are the CDs. Anyway, I did a media check, and the tree CDs passed the test. Ossama From sjoerd at acm.org Mon Oct 6 08:05:36 2003 From: sjoerd at acm.org (Sjoerd Mullender) Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 10:05:36 +0200 Subject: Gnome Crashes ; /dev Files Not Created In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3F812250.1060403@acm.org> Tom Diehl wrote: > On Sun, 5 Oct 2003, Robert L Cochran wrote: > > >>Hi Tom, >> >>I agree. Something is borked. No new updates from tbe beta2 RHN channel >>yet. I bet a bunch of people are sweating this one! > > > It hosed my test box for sure. However since it is a test box I do not really > care. :-) When a fix is out I will most likely pxeboot the thing and reinstall. > I like to test the pxeboot/anaconda stuff regularly. I have really gotten > spoiled by all of this network install stuff. :-) I downgraded my gdm package to the one that came with the original fedora beta 2 (gdm-2.4.4.0-2) and the problems went away. -- Sjoerd Mullender From ossamak at nht.com.kw Mon Oct 6 08:10:13 2003 From: ossamak at nht.com.kw (Ossama Khayaat) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 11:10:13 +0300 Subject: Grub stage1 file error Message-ID: <1F336C4559FF244A90D52EFEABE98AD607CC5F@nimo.nhpro.kw> People, I guess I'll have to reinstall again (yes, from scratch, though I HATE it). I installed fedora core again on another Desktop Compaq Evo machine, and it worked fine (Grub and booting). I didn't have problems at all. It seems like something is wrong with the partition. I'll try to reinstall it again on the laptop and report on this to sum up. For now, there are other issues I'll have to check and report. Thank you all for the EXCELLENT support and feedback. Ossama Member of Arabeyes.org From alexl at redhat.com Mon Oct 6 08:17:49 2003 From: alexl at redhat.com (Alexander Larsson) Date: 06 Oct 2003 10:17:49 +0200 Subject: Fedora Test 2 will not log in to Gnome? In-Reply-To: <3F8041C1.2000907@insight.rr.com> References: <9059DDFC-F38D-11D7-941A-000393C34F68@mac.com> <3F7A28B4.1090504@insight.rr.com> <1064994547.8497.19.camel@localhost.localdomain> <3F7C0C01.10607@insight.rr.com> <1065169764.8497.33.camel@localhost.localdomain> <3F8041C1.2000907@insight.rr.com> Message-ID: <1065428268.8497.45.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sun, 2003-10-05 at 18:07, Jim Cornette wrote: > Alexander Larsson wrote: > > On Thu, 2003-10-02 at 13:29, Jim Cornette wrote: > > > >>The bug was with an: > >> > >>EtherLink XL PCI > >>3C900B-TPO > >>03-0147-000 > >>REV-A > >> > >>bugs 104793 through 104795 contain information regarding the check cable > >>and avalanche effects for the NIC card. > > > > > > Does this card work if you remove kudzu from the init scripts? > > I have the card lying around here. The problem seems that the card is > recognized as the below card. This card worked fine from RHL 5.2 through > all versions up to Severn. > > I haven't really looked into the init scripts before. Which one would > concern disabling Kudzu for Ethernet Cards? > > The 3c590 driver seemed to work for this card. It seems that the 3c900 > is being attempted to use instead. The working card in my system is what > it states. A tornado 3c900 based. This one is not as detected. I had problems with a 3com card where kudzu probing would essentially "break" the network card. It couldn't see or send any packages at all. Just temporary moving away /etc/rc5.d/S05kudzu and rebooting made networking work. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Alexander Larsson Red Hat, Inc alexl at redhat.com alla at lysator.liu.se He's an uncontrollable misogynist astronaut moving from town to town, helping folk in trouble. She's a transdimensional communist traffic cop with the power to see death. They fight crime! From alexl at redhat.com Mon Oct 6 08:28:38 2003 From: alexl at redhat.com (Alexander Larsson) Date: 06 Oct 2003 10:28:38 +0200 Subject: Nautilus crashes when setting file properties In-Reply-To: <3F80D52E.5080700@cox.net> References: <1065398171.4832.15.camel@keelie.tampabay.rr.com> <1065400949.22954.2.camel@vaio.jumanjihouse.com> <3F80D52E.5080700@cox.net> Message-ID: <1065428917.8497.47.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2003-10-06 at 04:36, Chuck Price wrote: > Paul Morgan wrote: > > >On Sun, 2003-10-05 at 18:56, James Drabb wrote: > > > > > >>I just logged this bug, however I wanted to see if this is isolated > >>to just my system: > >> > >>Steps to Reproduce: > >>1. Create a new directory: mkdir ~/test > >>2. Give 555 permissions: chmod 555 ~/test > >>3. Open nautilus and right click on the test directory then choose properties > >> and go to the permissions tab. Click on the write check box for the user and > >> nautilus will crash every time. > >> > >> > > > >The steps did not crash nautilus on my system (fedora core test2 up2date > >as of saturday am). After clicking write and ok for owner, it gave me > >write perms and removed the no-write icon as expected. hth - paul > > > > > > > My system was doing that a couple days ago. Before I had a chance to > reconfirm it, I ran up2date, and it no longer happens. May have been > addressed in the last updates. Yes it was. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Alexander Larsson Red Hat, Inc alexl at redhat.com alla at lysator.liu.se He's a jaded dishevelled cat burglar on the wrong side of the law. She's a transdimensional communist femme fatale from a secret island of warrior women. They fight crime! From seanc at tech-access.com Mon Oct 6 09:18:35 2003 From: seanc at tech-access.com (Sean Craig) Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 13:18:35 +0400 Subject: Middle Click errors Message-ID: <3F81336B.70607@tech-access.com> Hi all, I am using a Logitech USB Wheel mouse with "Emulate 3 buttons" enabled. I use this to highlight text then middle-click to paste. If I try to "middle-click", I get the "right-click" context menu more often than not. Sometimes (though very seldom), I get both a paste AND a context menu! I've checked XF86Config, and this file reflects the correct setting. This happened in Fedora Core, and also with the XFree and metacity updates from the updates channel. Is this a known bug in metacity? Does anybody else have this problem? Regards Sean Craig From grant at tuins.ac.jp Mon Oct 6 09:45:43 2003 From: grant at tuins.ac.jp (rg) Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 18:45:43 +0900 Subject: GIMP in Japanese and Chinese interface problem In-Reply-To: <3F81336B.70607@tech-access.com> References: <3F81336B.70607@tech-access.com> Message-ID: <3F8139C7.2070805@tuins.ac.jp> Using Test 2, and when I run the GIMP in Japanese or Chinese, the interface (menus, etc) just comes out as rubbish. Known bug or should I bugzilla it? rg From matthias at rpmforge.net Mon Oct 6 09:46:09 2003 From: matthias at rpmforge.net (Matthias Saou) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 11:46:09 +0200 Subject: updates via apt In-Reply-To: <3F80C243.7050402@lopht.net> References: <3F80C243.7050402@lopht.net> Message-ID: <20031006114609.40395520.matthias@rpmforge.net> Justin Georgeson wrote : > Are the updates in the up2date channel for test2 going to propagate over > to the apt repository on fedora.us? I have an apt/yum rawhide repository : http://ayo.freshrpms.net/ What you want is : # Red Hat Linux Rawhide rpm http://ayo.freshrpms.net/ redhat/rawhide/i386 os # Red Hat Linux 9 freshrpms rpm http://ayo.freshrpms.net/ redhat/9/i386 freshrpms And manually grab here the few packages that have different dependencies build for Rawhide than built for 9 : http://ftp.freshrpms.net/pub/freshrpms/redhat/rawhide/ Matthias -- Clean custom Red Hat Linux rpm packages : http://freshrpms.net/ Fedora Core release 0.94 (Severn) - Linux kernel 2.4.22-20.1.2024.2.36.nptl Load : 0.15 0.17 0.56 From grant at tuins.ac.jp Mon Oct 6 09:47:10 2003 From: grant at tuins.ac.jp (rg) Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 18:47:10 +0900 Subject: font icons in TEST 2 In-Reply-To: <3F81336B.70607@tech-access.com> References: <3F81336B.70607@tech-access.com> Message-ID: <3F813A1E.4050209@tuins.ac.jp> In RH 9 and Test 1 Bluecurve, font icons came up as font samples. In Test 2 (my test 2 anyway), they come up as generic bluecurve font icons. Known bug? Needs Bugzilla-ing? Or is it supposed to be that way? rg From pauln at truemesh.com Mon Oct 6 10:00:51 2003 From: pauln at truemesh.com (Paul Nasrat) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 11:00:51 +0100 Subject: updates via apt In-Reply-To: <3F811C11.7050604@togami.com> References: <3F811C11.7050604@togami.com> Message-ID: <20031006100050.GV27426@shitake.truemesh.com> On Sun, Oct 05, 2003 at 09:38:57PM -1000, Warren Togami wrote: > Tom Diehl wrote: > >On Sun, 5 Oct 2003, Justin Georgeson wrote: > I have been unable to find a > workable solution in using the up2date client in obtaining all necessary > packages too. Hmm, up2date --get is download only some combination with up2date -l or even a quick python script to get all updates using the rhn api should work. rhnPackageInfo is a good start. This *may* be in breach of the RHN T&C's though as I thought channel redistribution was prohibited. Paul From grant at tuins.ac.jp Mon Oct 6 10:18:36 2003 From: grant at tuins.ac.jp (rg) Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 19:18:36 +0900 Subject: Nautilus crashes In-Reply-To: <3F813A1E.4050209@tuins.ac.jp> References: <3F81336B.70607@tech-access.com> <3F813A1E.4050209@tuins.ac.jp> Message-ID: <3F81417C.3050405@tuins.ac.jp> I wrote before about Nautilus windows for my USB pendrive consistently crashing on Test 2 (CD install) and Test 1 with rawhide updates (both on different machines). Now, however, I find that the crashes come even for my home directory. I get the error message (process 23389). Should I bugzilla it? rg From JDrabb at tampabay.rr.com Mon Oct 6 11:27:17 2003 From: JDrabb at tampabay.rr.com (James Drabb) Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 07:27:17 -0400 Subject: Nautilus crashes when setting file properties In-Reply-To: <1065400949.22954.2.camel@vaio.jumanjihouse.com> References: <1065398171.4832.15.camel@keelie.tampabay.rr.com> <1065400949.22954.2.camel@vaio.jumanjihouse.com> Message-ID: <1065439637.4832.27.camel@keelie.tampabay.rr.com> On Sun, 2003-10-05 at 20:42, Paul Morgan wrote: > On Sun, 2003-10-05 at 18:56, James Drabb wrote: > > I just logged this bug, however I wanted to see if this is isolated > > to just my system: > > > > Steps to Reproduce: > > 1. Create a new directory: mkdir ~/test > > 2. Give 555 permissions: chmod 555 ~/test > > 3. Open nautilus and right click on the test directory then choose properties > > and go to the permissions tab. Click on the write check box for the user and > > nautilus will crash every time. > > The steps did not crash nautilus on my system (fedora core test2 up2date > as of saturday am). After clicking write and ok for owner, it gave me > write perms and removed the no-write icon as expected. hth - paul Do I need any specific entires in /etc/sysconfig/rhn/sources? I just ran up2date and only got two updates, one for gaim and one for xosd. ~ jim$ cat /etc/redhat-release Fedora Core release 0.94 (Severn) Jim Drabb -- James Drabb Senior Programmer Analyst Davenport, FL USA From JDrabb at tampabay.rr.com Mon Oct 6 11:31:39 2003 From: JDrabb at tampabay.rr.com (James Drabb) Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 07:31:39 -0400 Subject: Nautilus crashes when setting file properties In-Reply-To: <1065439637.4832.27.camel@keelie.tampabay.rr.com> References: <1065398171.4832.15.camel@keelie.tampabay.rr.com> <1065400949.22954.2.camel@vaio.jumanjihouse.com> <1065439637.4832.27.camel@keelie.tampabay.rr.com> Message-ID: <1065439899.4832.29.camel@keelie.tampabay.rr.com> On Mon, 2003-10-06 at 07:27, James Drabb wrote: > Do I need any specific entires in /etc/sysconfig/rhn/sources? I just > ran up2date and only got two updates, one for gaim and one for xosd. P.S. This is occurring with nautilus-2.4.0-3 -- James Drabb Senior Programmer Analyst Davenport, FL USA From redhat-jc at insight.rr.com Mon Oct 6 11:51:59 2003 From: redhat-jc at insight.rr.com (Jim Cornette) Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 07:51:59 -0400 Subject: Cooler running system w/ latest Severn (real or imagined) Message-ID: <3F81575F.6090103@insight.rr.com> With the latest upgrades to Severn. I seem to notice that the processor is running cooler and the fan is not coming on as frequently. Is this a real improvement or related to the cooler/ drier temps for the season? Just Curious, Jim From davej at redhat.com Mon Oct 6 12:17:59 2003 From: davej at redhat.com (Dave Jones) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 13:17:59 +0100 Subject: Cooler running system w/ latest Severn (real or imagined) In-Reply-To: <3F81575F.6090103@insight.rr.com> References: <3F81575F.6090103@insight.rr.com> Message-ID: <20031006121759.GA13124@redhat.com> On Mon, Oct 06, 2003 at 07:51:59AM -0400, Jim Cornette wrote: > With the latest upgrades to Severn. I seem to notice that the processor > is running cooler and the fan is not coming on as frequently. Is this a > real improvement or related to the cooler/ drier temps for the season? If you booted with acpi=on, then the processor & thermal modules are now getting loaded on statup which is doing thermal throttling when its idle. If you're not using ACPI, I've no idea why 8-) Dave -- Dave Jones http://www.codemonkey.org.uk From seanc at tech-access.com Mon Oct 6 12:24:31 2003 From: seanc at tech-access.com (Sean Craig) Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 16:24:31 +0400 Subject: XCDRoast - cannot read image Message-ID: <3F815EFF.2060405@tech-access.com> Hi all, FC94-2 - trying to 'read' a cd to image file. XCDRoast seems not to be able to read the disk. If I kill the magicdev process, then XCDRoast can read the disk and save to image just fine. any explanations? regards Sean Craig From davidgn at servidor.unam.mx Mon Oct 6 13:09:53 2003 From: davidgn at servidor.unam.mx (David Eduardo Gomez Noguera) Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 08:09:53 -0500 Subject: different compilers Message-ID: <1065443440.3638.4.camel@localhost> Could there arise any problem when using gcc to compile the kernel? I did a compile (on a 2.4.22 kernel, with a new configuration) and modprobe is freezing when trying to load ide-scsi with a message scsi: aborting command due to timeout hdc: irq timeout: status=0xd0 {Busy} I have no idea why this happens, as it doesnt happen with the fedora kernel. Has anyone any expwerience with a similar problem? From jtlegbandt at earthlink.net Mon Oct 6 13:42:23 2003 From: jtlegbandt at earthlink.net (Joshua Legbandt) Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 06:42:23 -0700 Subject: Nautilus crashes when setting file properties In-Reply-To: <1065439899.4832.29.camel@keelie.tampabay.rr.com> References: <1065398171.4832.15.camel@keelie.tampabay.rr.com> <1065400949.22954.2.camel@vaio.jumanjihouse.com> <1065439637.4832.27.camel@keelie.tampabay.rr.com> <1065439899.4832.29.camel@keelie.tampabay.rr.com> Message-ID: <1065447742.5997.4.camel@suburbia> On Mon, 2003-10-06 at 04:31, James Drabb wrote: > On Mon, 2003-10-06 at 07:27, James Drabb wrote: > > Do I need any specific entires in /etc/sysconfig/rhn/sources? I just > > ran up2date and only got two updates, one for gaim and one for xosd. > > P.S. This is occurring with nautilus-2.4.0-3 I can't dupe this, but I'm running nautilus-2.4.0-4, installed on 02 Oct 2003 via up2date... -(~) % rpm -qi nautilus Name : nautilus Relocations: (not relocateable) Version : 2.4.0 Vendor: Red Hat, Inc. Release : 4 Build Date: Mon 29 Sep 2003 03:40:04 AM PDT Install Date: Thu 02 Oct 2003 09:08:01 PM PDT Build Host: bugs.devel.redhat.com -josh -- Joshua Legbandt From jtlegbandt at earthlink.net Mon Oct 6 13:53:01 2003 From: jtlegbandt at earthlink.net (Joshua Legbandt) Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 06:53:01 -0700 Subject: Nautilus crashes when setting file properties In-Reply-To: <1065447742.5997.4.camel@suburbia> References: <1065398171.4832.15.camel@keelie.tampabay.rr.com> <1065400949.22954.2.camel@vaio.jumanjihouse.com> <1065439637.4832.27.camel@keelie.tampabay.rr.com> <1065439899.4832.29.camel@keelie.tampabay.rr.com> <1065447742.5997.4.camel@suburbia> Message-ID: <1065448380.5997.7.camel@suburbia> On Mon, 2003-10-06 at 06:42, Joshua Legbandt wrote: > On Mon, 2003-10-06 at 04:31, James Drabb wrote: > > On Mon, 2003-10-06 at 07:27, James Drabb wrote: > > > Do I need any specific entires in /etc/sysconfig/rhn/sources? I just > > > ran up2date and only got two updates, one for gaim and one for xosd. > > > > P.S. This is occurring with nautilus-2.4.0-3 > > I can't dupe this, but I'm running nautilus-2.4.0-4, installed on 02 Oct > 2003 via up2date... > -(~) % rpm -qi nautilus > Name : nautilus Relocations: (not > relocateable) > Version : 2.4.0 Vendor: Red Hat, Inc. > Release : 4 Build Date: Mon 29 Sep 2003 > 03:40:04 AM PDT > Install Date: Thu 02 Oct 2003 09:08:01 PM PDT Build Host: > bugs.devel.redhat.com > > -josh I just ran "up2date nautilus" and downloaded, and installed, nautilus-2.4.0-5... -- Joshua Legbandt From nphilipp at redhat.com Mon Oct 6 13:55:17 2003 From: nphilipp at redhat.com (Nils Philippsen) Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 15:55:17 +0200 Subject: GDM and X messed up! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1065448516.29357.8.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> Hi Andrei, On Sat, 2003-10-04 at 23:01, Botoaca Andrei wrote: > I have installed KDE only (no gnome, only devel for it ... becuase i needed > some libraries). Everything works ok. Buuuuuuuuuuuuuut! When I update GDM > allways !!! (and I really mean allways), because it heapened the same on > severn 1 (now severn 2), the hello/login thingie will not work anymore (it > keeps mumbling smt about GNOME, and there IS NO GNOME!!! because I never > needed that krappie thing. And the only thing in which I can login in slow down, no need to call anything names... > graphic mode is de safe terminal! No KDE, no nada ... ( in 9.093 i > owerwrited the Session with the Session.rpmsave which was made during > update, and it quite worked, I mean no gdm running, but kdm instead (but > that was fine by me to). And in the /etc/sysconfig/desktop I have "KDE" I guess you updated your existing system and have an old /etc/sysconfig/desktop file containing only: DESKTOP="KDE" To start kdm, you need to add this line to it: DISPLAYMANAGER="KDE" Please report it at bugzilla.redhat.com under Fedora Core against anaconda (this is the installer) -- the installer should add the line if it is missing, probably taking the value from DESKTOP. > setting). Can anyone help me with this ?? ASAP ?! Because I am on windows > (sorry I can't write it with smaller fonts, because I'm not proud of me ... I don't understand this sentence (I see the words, but don't get the meaning). > but I can fix kernels, I can fix drivers, but the arhitecture of the XFree > >=4 and the kdm,xdm,gdm thingie I don't get). Start with looking at /etc/X11/prefdm -- this is the script that starts the actual display manager. Nils -- Nils Philippsen / Red Hat / nphilipp at redhat.com "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- B. Franklin, 1759 PGP fingerprint: C4A8 9474 5C4C ADE3 2B8F 656D 47D8 9B65 6951 3011 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From nphilipp at redhat.com Mon Oct 6 14:11:29 2003 From: nphilipp at redhat.com (Nils Philippsen) Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 16:11:29 +0200 Subject: RH applet crash when changing the theme In-Reply-To: <1065321764.3826.1.camel@argentina> References: <1065321764.3826.1.camel@argentina> Message-ID: <1065449488.29357.13.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> On Sun, 2003-10-05 at 04:42, Santiago Erquicia wrote: > Whenever I change my gnome theme the rhn applet crashes. Works for me. > I also see that up2date gui doesn't follow the gnome theme (at least > gorilla one) Actually it does, but it is run as the root user so it uses root's gnome theme, not yours. Nils -- Nils Philippsen / Red Hat / nphilipp at redhat.com "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- B. Franklin, 1759 PGP fingerprint: C4A8 9474 5C4C ADE3 2B8F 656D 47D8 9B65 6951 3011 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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From dstewart at atl.lmco.com Mon Oct 6 14:15:37 2003 From: dstewart at atl.lmco.com (Douglas Stewart) Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 10:15:37 -0400 Subject: Subject: FC2 install failure on Dell Inspiron 4150 In-Reply-To: <20031003191546.4025.qmail@web13804.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20031003191546.4025.qmail@web13804.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3F817909.5090307@atl.lmco.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Frank Merenda wrote: | try booting with: | | linux nofb pci=off | | that worked for me. But My install just freezes at the | 'running /sbin/loader' line.... | | | | ===== | - Frank Merenda | Author - Uptime - http://www.steidler.net/uptime/ | -a community based Linux blog and newsletter- | Registered Linux User #234428 - http://counter.li.org | webmaster - Humane Society of Jackson County - http://www.hsjc.com | This got me to the "Do you have a driver disk?" screen. Upon selecting "No", I get a metric boatload of Cyrillic characters against a blue background, then back to the "install exited abnormally -- received signal 11", then more Cyrillic garbage. *sigh* - -- - ---------- Doug Stewart Systems Administrator/Web Applications Developer Lockheed Martin Advanced Technology Labs Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/gXkJN50Q8DVvcvkRApoMAJ4ozHpMQmdpSuZ2wDmLwRvR1viGpgCfWnDH ZQRbAYrAri+A6Nnjhx/KJHs= =yI1E -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From nphilipp at redhat.com Mon Oct 6 14:28:36 2003 From: nphilipp at redhat.com (Nils Philippsen) Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 16:28:36 +0200 Subject: Graphical boot issues: a.o. graphical boot twice slower then text boot!!! In-Reply-To: <3F8004E1.7020808@zonnet.nl> References: <3F8004E1.7020808@zonnet.nl> Message-ID: <1065450515.29357.19.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> On Sun, 2003-10-05 at 13:47, Jaap A. Haitsma wrote: > Another feature I would like to see in the graphical boot that it gives > feedback when something fails. I made a small mistake when entering my > USB pen-drive in /etc/fstab: I forgot the noauto option. So the text > boot was complaining that it didn't see the pen drive when I didn't have > it plugged in. The graphical boot didn't say anything Not your real problem, but I'd rather add these lines to /etc/updfstab.conf: device memstick { partition 1 match hd "Traveling Disk" } Exchange "Traveling Disk" with whatever your USB stick is called in /proc/scsi/scsi, so updfstab can add a /mnt/memstick line in /etc/fstab when the stick is inserted (and remove the line when it is removed). This will also appear/disappear automagically in Nautilus' right-click-on-desktop/Disks menu. Nils -- Nils Philippsen / Red Hat / nphilipp at redhat.com "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- B. Franklin, 1759 PGP fingerprint: C4A8 9474 5C4C ADE3 2B8F 656D 47D8 9B65 6951 3011 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From jspaleta at princeton.edu Mon Oct 6 15:00:59 2003 From: jspaleta at princeton.edu (Jef Spaleta) Date: 06 Oct 2003 11:00:59 -0400 Subject: different compilers Message-ID: <1065452459.27102.84.camel@spatula> David Eduardo Gomez Noguera wrote: > Could there arise any problem when using gcc to compile the kernel? My understanding that gcc 3.3 still doesn't compile the kernel source..even the stock kernel source..without issue. gcc32 was used to compile the fedora kernel..and the release notes state that gcc32 package is there to compile the kernel. But, one could probably passionately argue that a much bigger deal needs to be made in the release notes about using gcc32 for kernel recompiles. A whole paragraph in blinking text would probably suffice. And of course stating the steps to use gcc32 from the shell would be useful in the release notes...export CC=gcc32 -jef -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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And why don't you never quote anything? - -- Michael, who doesn't reply to top posts and complete quotes anymore. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/gYeS0iMVcrivHFQRAql6AJ9a+83wQm9KEl8RDOdaECe9p7yFBQCePzrw wKvwUtf0hMSXoVT5XJUlcrQ= =38mu -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From tvinhas at techbyte.com.br Mon Oct 6 15:28:23 2003 From: tvinhas at techbyte.com.br (Thiago Vinhas de Moraes) Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 12:28:23 -0300 Subject: GDM broken on latest updates Message-ID: <1065454100.9386.1.camel@techbyte.com.br> Hi, Does anyone have a clue on how to fix the gdm problem on last friday's update? I do not use GNome, and only have KDE installed, and after the login, it says some confusing messages, and enters in safe mode. Regards, Thiago -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From 1midniterider at comcast.net Mon Oct 6 15:39:02 2003 From: 1midniterider at comcast.net (Marcus White) Date: 06 Oct 2003 11:39:02 -0400 Subject: severin login failure after updating today In-Reply-To: <3F7E33F9.2070803@cfl.rr.com> References: <1065202028.4943.7.camel@gstpc.earthlink.net> <200310032226.11076.elwoo@videotron.ca> <3F7E33F9.2070803@cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: <1065454741.25324.168.camel@tbird> Dowgrading gdm to version 2.4.4.0-2, per suggestion by Sjoerd Mullender, corrected the problem. The latest round of updates did not correct the problem, which included kernel 2.4.22-1.2087.nptl. Marcus O. .On Fri, 2003-10-03 at 22:44, Mario wrote: > I just had the same situation and I found that there is abug opened > about this: > > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=106189 > > Regards > Mario > > > > Elton Woo wrote: > > >On October 3, 2003 01:27 pm, Gerry Tool > > >wrote: > > > > > >>"The greeter program appears to be crashing. I will attempt to use a > >>different one." > >> > >>I get a different login screen that says "Welcome" and log in. > >> > >>Then I get a message: > >> > >>"Cannont find or run the base session script, will try Gnome failsafe > >>session for you." > >> > >>Then I get a message: > >> > >>"This is the Failsafe Gnome session. You will be logged into the > >>"Default" session of Gnome with no startup scripts run. This is only to > >>fix problems in your installation." > >> > >> > > > >... any workarounds or fixes for this yet? The problem is consistent > >wether KDE or Gnome session is chosen, and since it's Failsafe, I > >cannot print ... > > > >Elton. > > > > > > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list -- Marcus White <1midniterider at comcast.net> From davidgn at servidor.unam.mx Mon Oct 6 15:36:44 2003 From: davidgn at servidor.unam.mx (davidgn at servidor.unam.mx) Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 10:36:44 -0500 (CDT) Subject: different compilers In-Reply-To: <1065452459.27102.84.camel@spatula> References: <1065452459.27102.84.camel@spatula> Message-ID: <1065454604.3f818c0cf407b@www.correo.unam.mx> Quoting Jef Spaleta : > David Eduardo Gomez Noguera wrote: > ... > the steps to use gcc32 from the shell would be useful in the release > notes...export CC=gcc32 > > > -jef > Yes. I did that in the morning before leaving and reading the reply. Didnt try it though, but the output of make bzImage had "gcc bunch_of_options_and_source_files" lines, which made me think that somehow it was using gcc instead of gcc32, which make me doubt now. Will be about 10 hours before I can go back and check it. Thank you. Anyway, I always miss the release notes (I knew of gcc32 because it was mentioned on some posts regarding the compilation of NVidia drivers. I should have suspected that too, for nvidia messages, but I gave it no importance. The core kernel sources were installed, but gcc32 was not (?). ) Ill look for them now I know I might have missed more changes. ------------------------------------------------- Obt?n tu correo en www.correo.unam.mx UNAMonos Comunic?ndonos From sflory at rackable.com Mon Oct 6 15:47:53 2003 From: sflory at rackable.com (Samuel Flory) Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 08:47:53 -0700 Subject: Supporting NTFS in the kernel In-Reply-To: <3F806743.300@htp-tel.de> References: <3F8014B9.5030601@zonnet.nl> <20031005135425.GD16491@redhat.com> <3F806743.300@htp-tel.de> Message-ID: <3F818EA9.4040406@rackable.com> Thorsten Leemhuis wrote: > Dave Jones wrote: > >> On Sun, Oct 05, 2003 at 02:55:21PM +0200, Jaap A. Haitsma wrote: >> > I would like it very much if the standard kernel would include the >> read > driver for NTFS >> >> Won't happen due to potential patent problems. > > > Would it be possible to add some parts of the linux-ntfs-ng driver (or > maybe code hooks) so that they, or somebody else, could provide rpm > packages for the new ntfs driver module? The linux-ntfs Project > currently provides only rpms for the *old* ntfs driver (AFAICS)? > What sort of hooks are needed? What is stopping someone from compiling and distributing a module in an rpm? -- Once you have their hardware. Never give it back. (The First Rule of Hardware Acquisition) Sam Flory From blizzard at redhat.com Mon Oct 6 16:01:58 2003 From: blizzard at redhat.com (Christopher Blizzard) Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 12:01:58 -0400 Subject: mozilla 1.4 In-Reply-To: <3F7E35F2.8090103@insight.rr.com> References: <200310031810.h93IAxK02597@garfield.bwh.harvard.edu> <3F7E35F2.8090103@insight.rr.com> Message-ID: <3F8191F6.8020202@redhat.com> Jim Cornette wrote: > Does anyone know if moz will be getting a spell checking feature in the > near future? Mozilla 1.4.1 includes the spell checker. It's in the most recent updates now. --Chris From tdiehl at rogueind.com Mon Oct 6 16:13:54 2003 From: tdiehl at rogueind.com (Tom Diehl) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 12:13:54 -0400 (EDT) Subject: GDM broken on latest updates In-Reply-To: <1065454100.9386.1.camel@techbyte.com.br> Message-ID: On Mon, 6 Oct 2003, Thiago Vinhas de Moraes wrote: > Hi, > > Does anyone have a clue on how to fix the gdm problem on last friday's > update? I do not use GNome, and only have KDE installed, and after the > login, it says some confusing messages, and enters in safe mode. the workaround appears to be dowgrading gdm to version 2.4.4.0-2. See https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=106189 -- ......Tom Registered Linux User #14522 http://counter.li.org tdiehl at rogueind.com My current SpamTrap -------> mtd123 at rogueind.com From vid at linuxpowered.com Mon Oct 6 16:18:09 2003 From: vid at linuxpowered.com (Vidyut Luther) Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 11:18:09 -0500 Subject: Thunderbird and Firebird RPMS ? Message-ID: <1065457089.6460.24.camel@o7344-lnx.bic-bill.com> I'm curious if there are any plans on including Firebird, or Thunderbird, or both, as part of the standard distribution.. I've installed Firebird since day 1 of the Severn 2 install and it's great. I have the nightly xft2+gtk build, and not one problem whatsoever. of course, other people have had different experiences.. but I'm curious of those two products would make it to the main distro, as part of a lean install, for users like me, who have Evolution for mail, and just want Firebird for browsing, I know I don't have to install the mozilla-mail package, but it would be cool to not have the cruft associated with it. If people want the full mozilla, they can. but for people like me, can i just get an rpm ? -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From MSchwartz at MedAnalytics.com Mon Oct 6 16:27:21 2003 From: MSchwartz at MedAnalytics.com (Marc Schwartz) Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 11:27:21 -0500 Subject: Supporting NTFS in the kernel In-Reply-To: <3F818EA9.4040406@rackable.com> References: <3F8014B9.5030601@zonnet.nl> <20031005135425.GD16491@redhat.com> <3F806743.300@htp-tel.de> <3F818EA9.4040406@rackable.com> Message-ID: <1065457640.26875.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2003-10-06 at 10:47, Samuel Flory wrote: > Thorsten Leemhuis wrote: > > Dave Jones wrote: > > > >> On Sun, Oct 05, 2003 at 02:55:21PM +0200, Jaap A. Haitsma wrote: > >> > I would like it very much if the standard kernel would include the > >> read > driver for NTFS > >> > >> Won't happen due to potential patent problems. > > > > > > Would it be possible to add some parts of the linux-ntfs-ng driver (or > > maybe code hooks) so that they, or somebody else, could provide rpm > > packages for the new ntfs driver module? The linux-ntfs Project > > currently provides only rpms for the *old* ntfs driver (AFAICS)? > > > > > What sort of hooks are needed? What is stopping someone from > compiling and distributing a module in an rpm? Has anyone attempted the instructions at the bottom of: http://linux-ntfs.sourceforge.net/info/redhat.html "How was it done?" where there are some brief instructions and links for a script file and a spec file to create the RPM. I have not yet had the time to work through it, but that seems like a reasonable way to start. Richard (FlatCap) is also known to be around #ntfs on irc.freenode.net where he might be available to help someone work through the steps for Fedora. HTH, Marc Schwartz From erik.orebro at telia.com Mon Oct 6 16:51:51 2003 From: erik.orebro at telia.com (Erik Englund) Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 18:51:51 +0200 Subject: Add / remove sofware Message-ID: <1065459111.1689.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> In the "add and remove software" app, isn't it suppose to happen anything when pushing any button in the actions or edit menu? Is it just me or are you working on it? the second thing is that the "group view" doesn't list all packages, but (i think) "package view" does, why? (for example i missed gnome/kde packages in the group view) Erik From ed at redhat.com Mon Oct 6 17:02:44 2003 From: ed at redhat.com (Edward C. Bailey) Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 13:02:44 -0400 Subject: fedora documentation question/clarification In-Reply-To: <200310041424.08895.czar@czarc.net> (Gene C.'s message of "Sat, 4 Oct 2003 14:24:08 -0400") References: <200310041424.08895.czar@czarc.net> Message-ID: Hello, I'm not speaking on behalf of the Docs project maintainer, but since she's not chimed in, I'll see if I can shed some light... >>>>> "Gene" == Gene C writes: Gene> When Red Hat marketed their Red Hat Linux product, one of the Gene> characteristics was that a set of manuals was included (hardcopy if Gene> you purchased the product and cdrom iso if you downloaded). From Gene> what I can see of Fedora Core, these manuals will not exist anymore Gene> (although I assume that they will be available for RHEL). Gene> True? False? That's true -- the old Red Hat Linux manuals are not going to be available for Fedora. http://fedora.redhat.com/projects/docs/ has information on how the documentation aspect of the Fedora project will be run. Gene> Is there (or will there be) any effort (perhaps with non red Hat Gene> folks) to update these manuals as Fedora evolves. I don't think this would be a good use of project resources for at least two reasons: 1. The manuals are not licensed in a manner that would be compatible with the project (Check out an HTML version of a Red Hat Linux manual, and follow the "Copyright" link for more information). 2. The sources are not available (due to the license terms referred to in point #1). Another thing to keep in mind is that Fedora Core is going to be moving quite rapidly; keeping entire manuals up-to-date wrt the software would be a massive undertaking. That's a primary reason why the Docs project is going to focus on a cluster of article-sized documents, versus a few (much larger) manuals. All this said, the best place to take documentation-related conversations is over to fedora-docs-list... Ed -- Ed Bailey Red Hat, Inc. http://www.redhat.com/ From elwoo at videotron.ca Mon Oct 6 17:09:13 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 13:09:13 -0400 Subject: Middle Click errors In-Reply-To: <3F81336B.70607@tech-access.com> References: <3F81336B.70607@tech-access.com> Message-ID: <200310061309.14077.elwoo@videotron.ca> On October 6, 2003 05:18 am, Sean Craig > wrote: > I am using a Logitech USB Wheel mouse with "Emulate 3 buttons" enabled. > I use this to highlight text then middle-click to paste. > Why? I have a Logitech Optical Wheel mouse. There is no need to "emulate 3 buttons". With turned *off*, you simply drag the mouse on text to be copied, then use the middle button to paste. cheers, Elton ;-) -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From elwoo at videotron.ca Mon Oct 6 17:12:06 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 13:12:06 -0400 Subject: severin login failure after updating today In-Reply-To: <1065454741.25324.168.camel@tbird> References: <1065202028.4943.7.camel@gstpc.earthlink.net> <3F7E33F9.2070803@cfl.rr.com> <1065454741.25324.168.camel@tbird> Message-ID: <200310061312.06446.elwoo@videotron.ca> On October 6, 2003 11:39 am, Marcus White > wrote: > Dowgrading gdm to version 2.4.4.0-2, per suggestion by Sjoerd Mullender, > corrected the problem. The latest round of updates did not correct the > problem, which included kernel 2.4.22-1.2087.nptl. no need to *downgrade* anything here. The latest updates from the RHN beta channel fixed it. Elton ;-) -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From elwoo at videotron.ca Mon Oct 6 17:16:40 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 13:16:40 -0400 Subject: XCDRoast - cannot read image In-Reply-To: <3F815EFF.2060405@tech-access.com> References: <3F815EFF.2060405@tech-access.com> Message-ID: <200310061316.40186.elwoo@videotron.ca> On October 6, 2003 08:24 am, Sean Craig > wrote: > If I kill the magicdev process, then XCDRoast can read the disk and > save to image just fine. > > any explanations? Magicdev is polling the CD device. You usually have to kill it, in order to run any burner *other than* the nautilus burner. Elton ;-) -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From tvinhas at techbyte.com.br Mon Oct 6 17:54:41 2003 From: tvinhas at techbyte.com.br (Thiago Vinhas de Moraes) Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 14:54:41 -0300 Subject: Configuring DMA to ON Message-ID: <1065462880.9386.15.camel@techbyte.com.br> Hi, How do I setup the DMA setting to on to work on my CD-RW? Regards, Thiago -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From marian at gg3d.com Mon Oct 6 18:13:11 2003 From: marian at gg3d.com (Mariusz =?iso-8859-2?Q?Smyku=B3a?=) Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 20:13:11 +0200 Subject: severin login failure after updating today In-Reply-To: <200310061312.06446.elwoo@videotron.ca> References: <1065202028.4943.7.camel@gstpc.earthlink.net> <3F7E33F9.2070803@cfl.rr.com> <1065454741.25324.168.camel@tbird> <200310061312.06446.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <1065463991.1681.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2003-10-06 at 19:12, Elton Woo wrote: > On October 6, 2003 11:39 am, Marcus White <1midniterider at comcast.net>> wrote: > > Dowgrading gdm to version 2.4.4.0-2, per suggestion by Sjoerd Mullender, > > corrected the problem. The latest round of updates did not correct the > > problem, which included kernel 2.4.22-1.2087.nptl. > no need to *downgrade* anything here. The latest updates from the > RHN beta channel fixed it. > > Elton ;-) I have latest updates (with gdm-2.4.4.3-1) and have *problem* with graphical gdm and gnome starting (starting in default profile). Grrr -- Mariusz 'marian' Smyku?a --------------------------------- jid/email: marian at t-system.com.pl --------------------------------- From elwoo at videotron.ca Mon Oct 6 18:13:39 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 14:13:39 -0400 Subject: severin login failure after updating today In-Reply-To: <1065463991.1681.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1065202028.4943.7.camel@gstpc.earthlink.net> <200310061312.06446.elwoo@videotron.ca> <1065463991.1681.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <200310061413.39708.elwoo@videotron.ca> On October 6, 2003 02:13 pm, Mariusz Smyku?a > wrote: > On Mon, 2003-10-06 at 19:12, Elton Woo wrote: > > On October 6, 2003 11:39 am, Marcus White > > > <1midniterider at comcast.net>> wrote: > > > Dowgrading gdm to version 2.4.4.0-2, per suggestion by Sjoerd > > > Mullender, corrected the problem. The latest round of updates did not > > > correct the problem, which included kernel 2.4.22-1.2087.nptl. > > > > no need to *downgrade* anything here. The latest updates from the > > RHN beta channel fixed it. > > > > Elton ;-) > > I have latest updates (with gdm-2.4.4.3-1) and have *problem* with > graphical gdm and gnome starting (starting in default profile). Grrr ... my sincere apologies: I didn't check, before I opened my trap: $ rpm -qa | grep gdm gdm-2.4.4.0-2 I did a clean install on Sunday night, and sure enough RHN update installed 2.4.4.0-2... [... now back into my corner with duct-taped lips...] Elton ;-) -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From kevin at finway.co.uk Mon Oct 6 18:27:05 2003 From: kevin at finway.co.uk (Kevin Coffin) Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 19:27:05 +0100 Subject: GDM broken on latest updates In-Reply-To: References: <1065454100.9386.1.camel@techbyte.com.br> Message-ID: On Mon, 6 Oct 2003 12:13:54 -0400 (EDT), Tom Diehl wrote... >On Mon, 6 Oct 2003, Thiago Vinhas de Moraes wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> Does anyone have a clue on how to fix the gdm problem on last friday's >> update? I do not use GNome, and only have KDE installed, and after the >> login, it says some confusing messages, and enters in safe mode. > >the workaround appears to be dowgrading gdm to version 2.4.4.0-2. > >See https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=106189 > >-- I use KDE and added DISPLAYMANGER="KDE" to /etc/sysconfig/desktop. Kevin From ossamak at nht.com.kw Mon Oct 6 18:45:11 2003 From: ossamak at nht.com.kw (Ossama Khayaat) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 21:45:11 +0300 Subject: Grub stage1 file error Message-ID: <1F336C4559FF244A90D52EFEABE98AD607CC62@nimo.nhpro.kw> > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Schwendt [mailto:ms-nospam-0306 at arcor.de] [SNIP] > No. Didn't you read the earlier replies on fixing your partition > types? Somehow you refuse to comment on those messages. What is > the reason? And why don't you never quote anything? Sorry, I didn't mean to be unhelpful. It's just that I thought it's a faulty partition and didn't waste others time and bandwidth. Now, since you mentioned it, I still have the partition and the previous mail. I'll test it and send a reply. Apologies, Ossama From daniel-wittenberg at starken.com Mon Oct 6 19:43:39 2003 From: daniel-wittenberg at starken.com (Daniel Wittenberg) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 14:43:39 -0500 Subject: [FEDORA] Re: GDM broken on latest updates In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1065469419.3f81c5eb7c105@securemail.starken.com> I downgraded this morning to try and fix things, and now they are worse :( If I let it sit long enough, like 30 minutes, I can get a desktop, sorta, but no menu,. It's just really horked now after downgrading. It sounds like there is a fix for KDE, with the DISPLAYMANAGER, but what would you use for GNOME in this setup? I tried GNOME but that didn't seem to fix anything. Anyone know what's going on with this? Really makes it unusable for any further testing :( Dan Quoting Tom Diehl : > On Mon, 6 Oct 2003, Thiago Vinhas de Moraes wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > Does anyone have a clue on how to fix the gdm problem on last friday's > > update? I do not use GNome, and only have KDE installed, and after the > > login, it says some confusing messages, and enters in safe mode. > > the workaround appears to be dowgrading gdm to version 2.4.4.0-2. > > See https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=106189 > > -- > ......Tom Registered Linux User #14522 http://counter.li.org > tdiehl at rogueind.com My current SpamTrap -------> mtd123 at rogueind.com > > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > From katzj at redhat.com Mon Oct 6 20:11:23 2003 From: katzj at redhat.com (Jeremy Katz) Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 16:11:23 -0400 Subject: Call for Testing: New ORBit2 to maybe fix evolution hangs Message-ID: <1065471083.26387.6.camel@mirkwood.devel.redhat.com> If you're seeing hangs with ORBit2, I'd appreciate it if you could grab the ORBit2 packages from http://people.redhat.com/~katzj/ORBit2/ and see if that fixes the problems for you. I've installed them and evolution continues to work fine for me with it, but I didn't see the problems to begin with ;-) Thanks, Jeremy From elwoo at videotron.ca Mon Oct 6 20:23:10 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 16:23:10 -0400 Subject: where can I find the k3b (0.9) rpm package? Message-ID: <200310061623.10098.elwoo@videotron.ca> On the K3b home page: The following link: Mihai Maties put together some K3b 0.9 Red Hat 9 packages. http://fenrir.infoiasi.ro/~xcyborg/k3b/ returns this error: "Access forbidden! You don't have permission to access the requested directory. There is either no index document or the directory is read-protected. If you think this is a server error, please contact the webmaster Error 403 fenrir.infoiasi.ro Mon 06 Oct 2003 11:18:13 PM EEST Apache/2.0.40 (Red Hat Linux)" ... anyone know where else I might find this rpm package? TIA, Elton. -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From marian at gg3d.com Mon Oct 6 20:28:32 2003 From: marian at gg3d.com (Mariusz =?iso-8859-2?Q?Smyku=B3a?=) Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 22:28:32 +0200 Subject: kernel-2.6.0-0.test6.1.48 In-Reply-To: <200310041609.27026.fedora@warmcat.com> References: <1065279966.4974.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <200310041609.27026.fedora@warmcat.com> Message-ID: <1065472111.3499.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sat, 2003-10-04 at 17:09, Andy Green wrote: > On Saturday 04 October 2003 16:06, Mariusz Smyku?a wrote: > > What with kernel-2.6.0-0.test6.1.48 for athlon processors? > > I noticed earlier they have gone from Arjan's page.... I'm actually > running the athlon rpm on a server so I am also interested in any > problems > > -Andy > > Grrr, next release of 2.6 kernel without athlon build!!! I need this one, what is wrong with it? > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list -- Mariusz 'marian' Smyku?a --------------------------------- jid/email: marian at t-system.com.pl --------------------------------- From dennis at ausil.us Mon Oct 6 20:56:03 2003 From: dennis at ausil.us (Dennis Gilmore) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 06:56:03 +1000 Subject: where can I find the k3b (0.9) rpm package? In-Reply-To: <200310061623.10098.elwoo@videotron.ca> References: <200310061623.10098.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <200310070656.11791.dennis@ausil.us> Once upon a time at band camp Tue, 7 Oct 2003 6:23 am, Elton Woo wrote: > On the K3b home page: > > The following link: > Mihai Maties put together some K3b 0.9 Red Hat 9 packages. > http://fenrir.infoiasi.ro/~xcyborg/k3b/ returns this error: > > "Access forbidden! > there is a k3b package in the QA queue at fedora.us see https://bugzilla.fedora.us/show_bug.cgi?id=500 for the src rpm Dennis > You don't have permission to access the requested directory. There is > either no index document or the directory is read-protected. > > If you think this is a server error, please contact the webmaster > > Error 403 > > fenrir.infoiasi.ro > Mon 06 Oct 2003 11:18:13 PM EEST > Apache/2.0.40 (Red Hat Linux)" > > ... anyone know where else I might find this rpm package? > > TIA, > > Elton. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: signature URL: From Tommy.McNeely at Sun.com Mon Oct 6 20:57:50 2003 From: Tommy.McNeely at Sun.com (Tommy McNeely) Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 14:57:50 -0600 Subject: is magicdev evil? Message-ID: I personally think magicdev is kindof evil... it was just recently wasting away at like 25% of my CPU, and my CDROM drives haven't been opened in like a week. What does it do? is it only for mounting CD's or does it also mount removable media (like the slot in the side of my printer)? I always find myself killing it and rpm -e'ing it.. just wondered what it is supposed to be used for and whether or not we might find a replacement. Don't CDROMS send some sort of "signal" when they are opened/closed that would be better than constantly probing it? Tommy From gawain.lynch at bigpond.com Mon Oct 6 21:03:35 2003 From: gawain.lynch at bigpond.com (Gawain Lynch) Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 07:03:35 +1000 Subject: Call for Testing: New ORBit2 to maybe fix evolution hangs In-Reply-To: <1065471083.26387.6.camel@mirkwood.devel.redhat.com> References: <1065471083.26387.6.camel@mirkwood.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1065474215.2164.0.camel@frodo.felicity.net.au> On Tue, 2003-10-07 at 06:11, Jeremy Katz wrote: > If you're seeing hangs with ORBit2, I'd appreciate it if you could grab > the ORBit2 packages from http://people.redhat.com/~katzj/ORBit2/ and see > if that fixes the problems for you. I've installed them and evolution > continues to work fine for me with it, but I didn't see the problems to > begin with ;-) > > Thanks, > > Jeremy Fixed it for me, thanks! From jaap_haitsma at zonnet.nl Mon Oct 6 21:01:41 2003 From: jaap_haitsma at zonnet.nl (Jaap A. Haitsma) Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 23:01:41 +0200 Subject: Graphical boot issues: a.o. graphical boot twice slower then text boot!!! In-Reply-To: <1065450515.29357.19.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> References: <3F8004E1.7020808@zonnet.nl> <1065450515.29357.19.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> Message-ID: <3F81D835.1060507@zonnet.nl> Nils, Thanks for the tip, works great Jaap Nils Philippsen wrote: > On Sun, 2003-10-05 at 13:47, Jaap A. Haitsma wrote: > >>Another feature I would like to see in the graphical boot that it gives >>feedback when something fails. I made a small mistake when entering my >>USB pen-drive in /etc/fstab: I forgot the noauto option. So the text >>boot was complaining that it didn't see the pen drive when I didn't have >>it plugged in. The graphical boot didn't say anything > > > Not your real problem, but I'd rather add these lines to > /etc/updfstab.conf: > > device memstick { > partition 1 > match hd "Traveling Disk" > } > > Exchange "Traveling Disk" with whatever your USB stick is called in > /proc/scsi/scsi, so updfstab can add a /mnt/memstick line in /etc/fstab > when the stick is inserted (and remove the line when it is removed). > This will also appear/disappear automagically in Nautilus' > right-click-on-desktop/Disks menu. > > Nils From elwoo at videotron.ca Mon Oct 6 21:06:43 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 17:06:43 -0400 Subject: where can I find the k3b (0.9) rpm package? In-Reply-To: <200310070656.11791.dennis@ausil.us> References: <200310061623.10098.elwoo@videotron.ca> <200310070656.11791.dennis@ausil.us> Message-ID: <200310061706.43604.elwoo@videotron.ca> On October 6, 2003 04:56 pm, Dennis Gilmore > wrote: > there is a k3b package in the QA queue at fedora.us see > https://bugzilla.fedora.us/show_bug.cgi?id=500 for the src rpm > > Dennis Thank you. .... now to see if I remember how to install from a source package. Care to give me a quick rundown, please? ...TIA, Elton ;-) -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From ms-nospam-0306 at arcor.de Mon Oct 6 21:07:14 2003 From: ms-nospam-0306 at arcor.de (Michael Schwendt) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 23:07:14 +0200 Subject: where can I find the k3b (0.9) rpm package? In-Reply-To: <200310061623.10098.elwoo@videotron.ca> References: <200310061623.10098.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <20031006230714.45ee9e7a.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Mon, 06 Oct 2003 16:23:10 -0400, Elton Woo wrote: > ... anyone know where else I might find this rpm package? Please consider supporting the one from fedora.us that is waiting for reviews here: https://bugzilla.fedora.us/show_bug.cgi?id=500 You would need to rpmbuild --rebuild it from src.rpm. Shouldn't be a problem, though. - -- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/gdmC0iMVcrivHFQRAu9VAJ4/1ZYZt7HEnGRnkrS0hEg6QswN/ACcCuPS s1CxgNo7L1ZxHOim18dlwiE= =Sy2F -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From jaap_haitsma at zonnet.nl Mon Oct 6 21:13:30 2003 From: jaap_haitsma at zonnet.nl (Jaap A. Haitsma) Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 23:13:30 +0200 Subject: Unable to edit applications menu in Gnome Message-ID: <3F81DAFA.4010601@zonnet.nl> Hi, With the standard Fedora install it's not possible to edit Applications Menu. I found on the internet how to do it. They consider it as a "bug" in RH 9.0, which is still present in Fedora. http://www.wse.jhu.edu/newtnotes/main_file.php/sysadmin/55 Is there any reason to make the menu not editable?? I would prefer to have the menu editable and preferably an icon in the menu, which opens nautilus at applications:/// Jaap From otaylor at redhat.com Mon Oct 6 21:14:25 2003 From: otaylor at redhat.com (Owen Taylor) Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 17:14:25 -0400 Subject: is magicdev evil? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1065474865.5053.303.camel@poincare.devel.redhat.com> On Mon, 2003-10-06 at 16:57, Tommy McNeely wrote: > I personally think magicdev is kindof evil... it was just recently wasting > away at like 25% of my CPU, and my CDROM drives haven't been opened in > like a week. What does it do? is it only for mounting CD's or does it also > mount removable media (like the slot in the side of my printer)? I always > find myself killing it and rpm -e'ing it.. just wondered what it is > supposed to be used for and whether or not we might find a replacement. > Don't CDROMS send some sort of "signal" when they are opened/closed that > would be better than constantly probing it? Basically: A) If magicdev is eating 25% of your CPU, something is going wrong, and you shoudl file a bug so we can fix it. It isn't supposed to do that. There was a kernel bug recently in this area, but unless your /var/log/messages is getting filled with lots and lots of junk, that's not it. You should file a bug with a) any messages that are appearing in /var/log/messages b) a short snippet of the strace of magicdev killall magicdev strace -o /tmp/magicdev.log magicdev c) The contents of /proc/ide/hdc/model (modify as appropriate if your cd-rom is elsewhere.) B) No, CDROMS do not reliably send a signal when they are opened and closed. There are things in the spec for that, they are not implemented uniformly. There may be better things to do than what magicdev does. They probably would require full-time work for about a month for a pair of a test engineer and a developer to get going and make reliable. (Basically, you have to have a big list of hardware with information on what works where.) Regards, Owen From dennis at ausil.us Mon Oct 6 21:15:19 2003 From: dennis at ausil.us (Dennis Gilmore) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 07:15:19 +1000 Subject: where can I find the k3b (0.9) rpm package? In-Reply-To: <200310061706.43604.elwoo@videotron.ca> References: <200310061623.10098.elwoo@videotron.ca> <200310070656.11791.dennis@ausil.us> <200310061706.43604.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <200310070715.19820.dennis@ausil.us> Once upon a time at band camp Tue, 7 Oct 2003 7:06 am, Elton Woo wrote: > On October 6, 2003 04:56 pm, Dennis Gilmore > > > wrote: > > there is a k3b package in the QA queue at fedora.us see > > https://bugzilla.fedora.us/show_bug.cgi?id=500 for the src rpm > > > > Dennis > > Thank you. .... now to see if I remember how to install from a > source package. Care to give me a quick rundown, please? > ...TIA, rpmbuild -bb then rpm -ivh /usr/src/redhat/RPMS/i386/ thats if building as root Dennis -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: signature URL: From paul.morgan at jumanjihouse.com Mon Oct 6 21:25:33 2003 From: paul.morgan at jumanjihouse.com (Paul Morgan) Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 16:25:33 -0500 Subject: Call for Testing: New ORBit2 to maybe fix evolution hangs In-Reply-To: <1065474215.2164.0.camel@frodo.felicity.net.au> References: <1065471083.26387.6.camel@mirkwood.devel.redhat.com> <1065474215.2164.0.camel@frodo.felicity.net.au> Message-ID: <1065475533.3273.1.camel@vaio.jumanjihouse.com> On Mon, 2003-10-06 at 16:03, Gawain Lynch wrote: > On Tue, 2003-10-07 at 06:11, Jeremy Katz wrote: > > If you're seeing hangs with ORBit2, I'd appreciate it if you could grab > > the ORBit2 packages from http://people.redhat.com/~katzj/ORBit2/ and see > > if that fixes the problems for you. I've installed them and evolution > > continues to work fine for me with it, but I didn't see the problems to > > begin with ;-) > > > > Thanks, > > > > Jeremy > > Fixed it for me, thanks! Same here (whoop!). From chrisw01 at privatei.com Mon Oct 6 21:27:01 2003 From: chrisw01 at privatei.com (Christopher A. Williams) Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 15:27:01 -0600 Subject: is magicdev evil? In-Reply-To: <1065474865.5053.303.camel@poincare.devel.redhat.com> References: <1065474865.5053.303.camel@poincare.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1065475621.4154.9.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> On Mon, 2003-10-06 at 15:14, Owen Taylor wrote: > On Mon, 2003-10-06 at 16:57, Tommy McNeely wrote: > > Don't CDROMS send some sort of "signal" when they are opened/closed that > > would be better than constantly probing it? > > Basically: > > A) If magicdev is eating 25% of your CPU, something is going wrong, > and you shoudl file a bug so we can fix it. It isn't supposed > to do that. > > B) No, CDROMS do not reliably send a signal when they are opened > and closed. There are things in the spec for that, they are not > implemented uniformly. > > There may be better things to do than what magicdev does. They > probably would require full-time work for about a month for a > pair of a test engineer and a developer to get going and make > reliable. Of note, I have run Windows (NT/XP/Server) in a VMware session for years. If you follow what's happening on VMware, you learn quickly that polling a CD-R/RW/DVD device every few seconds is the norm there as well. This shouldn't come as a surprise at all. I noticed that magicdev seems to really interfere with XCDRoast 0.98a14 but not the earlier version. GNOME Toaster is also OK. I noticed on the XCDRoast page that 0.98a14 apparently includes a totally rewritten subsystem for disk reads and writes. Part of the problem could be there... Cheers, Chris -- ==================================== "If you get to thinkin' you're a person of some influence, try orderin' someone else's dog around." --Cowboy Wisdom From jgeorgeson at lopht.net Mon Oct 6 21:31:27 2003 From: jgeorgeson at lopht.net (Justin Georgeson) Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 16:31:27 -0500 Subject: Unable to edit applications menu in Gnome References: <3F81DAFA.4010601@zonnet.nl> Message-ID: <3F81DF2F.1000109@lopht.net> Jaap A. Haitsma wrote: > Hi, > > With the standard Fedora install it's not possible to edit Applications > Menu. I found on the internet how to do it. They consider it as a "bug" > in RH 9.0, which is still present in Fedora. > > http://www.wse.jhu.edu/newtnotes/main_file.php/sysadmin/55 > > Is there any reason to make the menu not editable?? > > I would prefer to have the menu editable and preferably an icon in the > menu, which opens nautilus at applications:/// I always just did it the 'hard' way and put .desktop files in /usr/share/applications. Not drag-and-drop but it works. From Tommy.McNeely at Sun.com Mon Oct 6 21:31:38 2003 From: Tommy.McNeely at Sun.com (Tommy McNeely) Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 15:31:38 -0600 Subject: Up2date from rawhide on severn2 References: <1064665012.19532.1.camel@techbyte.com.br> <1064669580.16101.15.camel@bart.netlyncs.com> <1064679309.6230.31.camel@gstpc.earthlink.net> Message-ID: Have we made any progress here? My system is also registered, and when I run up2date, it says I have two updates, both of which are already installed? The main one I am looking for is the "fixed" SMP kernel... I was messing about with yum. (since it comes pre-installed) .. is that what we are supposed to be using for updates? On Sat, 27 Sep 2003 11:15:09 -0500, Gerry Tool wrote: > On Sat, 2003-09-27 at 08:33, Mike Chambers wrote: >> [quoted text muted] > > I just succeeded in registering my system to the severn-beta2-i386 channel > on rhn using the applet in the panel. No -updates channel yet, but at > least the base channel is now active. > > Gerry From marian at gg3d.com Mon Oct 6 21:46:40 2003 From: marian at gg3d.com (Mariusz =?iso-8859-2?Q?Smyku=B3a?=) Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 23:46:40 +0200 Subject: kernel-2.6.0-0.test6.1.48 In-Reply-To: <1065472111.3499.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1065279966.4974.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <200310041609.27026.fedora@warmcat.com> <1065472111.3499.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1065476800.3499.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2003-10-06 at 22:28, Mariusz Smyku?a wrote: > > > What with kernel-2.6.0-0.test6.1.48 for athlon processors? https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=106407 Comments From arjanv at redhat.com "In theory, the 2.6 kernel no longer needs an athlon specific kernel since all the athlon specific instructions get hot-patched into the kernel at boot time..." -- Mariusz 'marian' Smyku?a --------------------------------- jid/email: marian at t-system.com.pl --------------------------------- From Tommy.McNeely at Sun.com Mon Oct 6 21:41:13 2003 From: Tommy.McNeely at Sun.com (Tommy McNeely) Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 15:41:13 -0600 Subject: is magicdev evil? References: <1065474865.5053.303.camel@poincare.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 06 Oct 2003 17:14:25 -0400, Owen Taylor wrote: > On Mon, 2003-10-06 at 16:57, Tommy McNeely wrote: >> [quoted text muted] > > Basically: > > A) If magicdev is eating 25% of your CPU, something is going wrong, > and you shoudl file a bug so we can fix it. It isn't supposed to do > that. PID USER PRI NI SIZE RSS SHARE STAT %CPU %MEM TIME CPU COMMAND 16744 tommy 18 0 5664 5664 4852 S 7.5 0.5 0:01 0 magicdev 16749 tommy 17 0 1152 1152 888 R 0.3 0.1 0:00 0 top 13056 root 15 0 295M 39M 9320 S 0.1 3.9 2:50 0 X 13227 tommy 15 0 16628 16M 8428 S 0.1 1.6 0:11 0 gnome-termina what about 7.5-11% ? I mean I cant get it to go back to 25% for some reason :) > > There was a kernel bug recently in this area, but unless your > /var/log/messages is getting filled with lots and lots of junk, that's > not it. > I am running severn-beta2 ... wihtout any updates (see my other up2date message) Oct 6 12:51:11 cookies /etc/hotplug/usb.agent: Setup usbcore for USB product 5e3/604/12 Oct 6 12:51:11 cookies /etc/hotplug/usb.agent: Setup usbcore for USB product 5e3/604/12 Oct 6 12:51:11 cookies /etc/hotplug/usb.agent: Setup hid for USB product 45e/47/300 Oct 6 12:51:11 cookies /etc/hotplug/usb.agent: Setup mousedev for USB product 45e/47/300 Oct 6 12:51:12 cookies devlabel: devlabel service started/restarted Oct 6 12:51:12 cookies /etc/hotplug/usb.agent: Setup hid for USB product 430/5/102 Oct 6 12:51:12 cookies /etc/hotplug/usb.agent: Setup keybdev for USB product 430/5/102 Oct 6 12:51:13 cookies devlabel: devlabel service started/restarted Oct 6 12:51:13 cookies devlabel: devlabel service started/restarted Oct 6 12:56:59 cookies kernel: usb.c: USB disconnect on device 00:07.4-2 address 10 Oct 6 12:56:59 cookies kernel: usb.c: USB disconnect on device 00:07.4-2.1 address 11 Oct 6 12:56:59 cookies kernel: usb.c: USB disconnect on device 00:07.4-2.2 address 12 Oct 6 12:57:07 cookies devlabel: devlabel service started/restarted Oct 6 12:57:07 cookies last message repeated 2 times Oct 6 13:45:27 cookies smartd[4117]: Device: /dev/sda, Temperature changed -1 degrees to 31 degrees since last reading Oct 6 14:28:56 cookies kernel: hub.c: new USB device 00:07.4-2, assigned address 13 Oct 6 14:28:56 cookies kernel: hub.c: USB hub found Oct 6 14:28:56 cookies kernel: hub.c: 4 ports detected Oct 6 14:28:57 cookies kernel: hub.c: new USB device 00:07.4-2.1, assigned address 14 Oct 6 14:28:57 cookies kernel: input: USB HID v1.10 Mouse [Microsoft Microsoft 5-Button Mouse with IntelliEye(TM)] on usb1:14.0 Oct 6 14:28:57 cookies kernel: hub.c: new USB device 00:07.4-2.2, assigned address 15 Oct 6 14:28:57 cookies kernel: input: USB HID v1.00 Keyboard [0430:0005] on usb1:15.0 Oct 6 14:28:59 cookies /etc/hotplug/usb.agent: Setup usbcore for USB product 5e3/604/12 Oct 6 14:28:59 cookies /etc/hotplug/usb.agent: Setup usbcore for USB product 5e3/604/12 Oct 6 14:29:00 cookies /etc/hotplug/usb.agent: Setup hid for USB product 45e/47/300 Oct 6 14:29:00 cookies /etc/hotplug/usb.agent: Setup mousedev for USB product 45e/47/300 Oct 6 14:29:00 cookies /etc/hotplug/usb.agent: Setup hid for USB product 430/5/102 Oct 6 14:29:00 cookies /etc/hotplug/usb.agent: Setup keybdev for USB product 430/5/102 Oct 6 14:29:00 cookies devlabel: devlabel service started/restarted Oct 6 14:29:02 cookies last message repeated 2 times Oct 6 14:29:18 cookies modprobe: modprobe: Can't locate module sound-slot-1 Oct 6 14:29:18 cookies modprobe: modprobe: Can't locate module sound-service-1-0 Oct 6 14:29:18 cookies modprobe: modprobe: Can't locate module sound-slot-1 Oct 6 14:29:18 cookies modprobe: modprobe: Can't locate module sound-service-1-0 Oct 6 14:46:04 cookies smartd[4117]: Device: /dev/sda, Temperature changed 1 degrees to 32 degrees since last reading Oct 6 15:16:22 cookies smartd[4117]: Device: /dev/sda, Temperature changed -1 degrees to 31 degrees since last reading Oct 6 15:34:36 cookies userhelper: pam_timestamp: timestamp file `/var/run/sudo/tommy/1:root' is only 14 seconds old, allowing access to up2date for UID 123 Oct 6 15:34:38 cookies userhelper: pam_timestamp: timestamp file `/var/run/sudo/tommy/1:root' is only 2 seconds old, allowing access to up2date for UID 123 > You should file a bug with a) any messages that are appearing in > /var/log/messages b) a short snippet of the strace of magicdev > waiting to see if 7-11% is still bad enough for a bug > killall magicdev > strace -o /tmp/magicdev.log magicdev > > > > c) The contents of /proc/ide/hdc/model (modify as appropriate if your > cd-rom is elsewhere.) > > B) No, CDROMS do not reliably send a signal when they are opened > and closed. There are things in the spec for that, they are not > implemented uniformly. its nice to have standards :) -Tommy > > There may be better things to do than what magicdev does. They > probably would require full-time work for about a month for a pair of > a test engineer and a developer to get going and make reliable. > > (Basically, you have to have a big list of hardware with information > on what works where.) > > Regards, > Owen From elwoo at videotron.ca Mon Oct 6 21:44:29 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 17:44:29 -0400 Subject: where can I find the k3b (0.9) rpm package? In-Reply-To: <200310070715.19820.dennis@ausil.us> References: <200310061623.10098.elwoo@videotron.ca> <200310061706.43604.elwoo@videotron.ca> <200310070715.19820.dennis@ausil.us> Message-ID: <200310061744.29593.elwoo@videotron.ca> On October 6, 2003 05:15 pm, Dennis Gilmore > wrote: > rpmbuild -bb > then rpm -ivh /usr/src/redhat/RPMS/i386/ > > thats if building as root [root at dhcp-133-74 downloads]# rpmbuild -bb k3b-0.9-0.fdr.4.src.rpm error: File /home/abe/downloads/k3b-0.9-0.fdr.4.src.rpm does not appear to be a specfile. shouldn't it be rpmbuild --rebuild? With that command, I get this output: s]# rpmbuild --rebuild k3b-0.9-0.fdr.4.src.rpm Installing k3b-0.9-0.fdr.4.src.rpm warning: user adrian does not exist - using root warning: user adrian does not exist - using root warning: user adrian does not exist - using root error: Failed build dependencies: XFree86-devel is needed by k3b-0.9-0.fdr.4 qt-devel >= 1:3.1.1 is needed by k3b-0.9-0.fdr.4 libjpeg-devel is needed by k3b-0.9-0.fdr.4 arts-devel is needed by k3b-0.9-0.fdr.4 libart_lgpl-devel is needed by k3b-0.9-0.fdr.4 libpng-devel is needed by k3b-0.9-0.fdr.4 audiofile-devel is needed by k3b-0.9-0.fdr.4 kdelibs-devel >= 0:3.1 is needed by k3b-0.9-0.fdr.4 I'm not doing any development on this system, but it looks like I need quite a few libraries, in order to proceed. Elton -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From jgeorgeson at lopht.net Mon Oct 6 21:49:47 2003 From: jgeorgeson at lopht.net (Justin Georgeson) Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 16:49:47 -0500 Subject: where can I find the k3b (0.9) rpm package? References: <200310061623.10098.elwoo@videotron.ca> <200310061706.43604.elwoo@videotron.ca> <200310070715.19820.dennis@ausil.us> <200310061744.29593.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <3F81E37B.7090904@lopht.net> Elton Woo wrote: > On October 6, 2003 05:15 pm, Dennis Gilmore > > wrote: > >>rpmbuild -bb >>then rpm -ivh /usr/src/redhat/RPMS/i386/ >> >>thats if building as root > > [root at dhcp-133-74 downloads]# rpmbuild -bb k3b-0.9-0.fdr.4.src.rpm > error: File /home/abe/downloads/k3b-0.9-0.fdr.4.src.rpm does not appear to be > a specfile. try rpmbuild --rebuild From Tommy.McNeely at Sun.com Mon Oct 6 21:44:07 2003 From: Tommy.McNeely at Sun.com (Tommy McNeely) Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 15:44:07 -0600 Subject: is magicdev evil? References: <1065474865.5053.303.camel@poincare.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 06 Oct 2003 17:14:25 -0400, Owen Taylor wrote: > > c) The contents of /proc/ide/hdc/model (modify as appropriate if your > cd-rom is elsewhere.) um.. also I can't find the equiv in /proc/scsi ? Tommy From dennis at ausil.us Mon Oct 6 21:50:05 2003 From: dennis at ausil.us (Dennis Gilmore) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 07:50:05 +1000 Subject: where can I find the k3b (0.9) rpm package? In-Reply-To: <200310061744.29593.elwoo@videotron.ca> References: <200310061623.10098.elwoo@videotron.ca> <200310070715.19820.dennis@ausil.us> <200310061744.29593.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <200310070750.05398.dennis@ausil.us> Once upon a time at band camp Tue, 7 Oct 2003 7:44 am, Elton Woo wrote: > On October 6, 2003 05:15 pm, Dennis Gilmore > > > wrote: > > rpmbuild -bb > > then rpm -ivh /usr/src/redhat/RPMS/i386/ > > > > thats if building as root > > [root at dhcp-133-74 downloads]# rpmbuild -bb k3b-0.9-0.fdr.4.src.rpm > error: File /home/abe/downloads/k3b-0.9-0.fdr.4.src.rpm does not appear to > be a specfile. > > shouldn't it be rpmbuild --rebuild? With that command, I get this output: sorry yes it should be rpmbuild --rebuild dont know what i was thinking Dennis -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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It isn't supposed to do > > that. > > PID USER PRI NI SIZE RSS SHARE STAT %CPU %MEM TIME CPU COMMAND > 16744 tommy 18 0 5664 5664 4852 S 7.5 0.5 0:01 0 magicdev > 16749 tommy 17 0 1152 1152 888 R 0.3 0.1 0:00 0 top > 13056 root 15 0 295M 39M 9320 S 0.1 3.9 2:50 0 X > 13227 tommy 15 0 16628 16M 8428 S 0.1 1.6 0:11 0 gnome-termina > > > > what about 7.5-11% ? I mean I cant get it to go back to 25% for some > reason :) If magicdev consistently appears at the top of your top, then that's a bug. (Please provide information as detailed in the last mail) What I'd expect is that it doesn't appear at all in top, except perhaps popping up occasionally with 1-2% cpu if the sampling gets lucky. Regards, Owen From paul.morgan at jumanjihouse.com Mon Oct 6 21:58:32 2003 From: paul.morgan at jumanjihouse.com (Paul Morgan) Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 16:58:32 -0500 Subject: tailored message on gdm greeter screen In-Reply-To: <200310041400.09912.czar@czarc.net> References: <200310041400.09912.czar@czarc.net> Message-ID: <1065477512.3273.13.camel@vaio.jumanjihouse.com> On Sat, 2003-10-04 at 13:00, Gene C. wrote: > I would like to put a tailored message on the gdm graphical greeter screen to > indicate just which version of the system I am running -- I have multiple > version installed on the same hardware and it is sometimes not clear which is > running/has been booted. > > I tried using the Systems Settings/Login Screen tool for gdm setting but > changing messages there seems to have no effect. > > Any ideas/tips? Have you looked at /usr/share/gdm/themes/Bluecurve/Bluecurve.xml.in (or its progeny /usr/share/gdm/themes/Bluecurve/Bluecurve.xml)? You could probably call a small script from rc.local in which you use sed to insert the current version or other info into the greeter. Aside: is it documented somewhere which variables are allowed in this xml file (similar to %h)? This appears to be a them-specific configuration, so... hth -paul From otaylor at redhat.com Mon Oct 6 22:03:00 2003 From: otaylor at redhat.com (Owen Taylor) Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 18:03:00 -0400 Subject: CD locking (was Re: is magicdev evil?) In-Reply-To: <1065475621.4154.9.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> References: <1065474865.5053.303.camel@poincare.devel.redhat.com> <1065475621.4154.9.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> Message-ID: <1065477779.5053.366.camel@poincare.devel.redhat.com> On Mon, 2003-10-06 at 17:27, Christopher A. Williams wrote: > I noticed that magicdev seems to really interfere with XCDRoast 0.98a14 > but not the earlier version. GNOME Toaster is also OK. I noticed on the > XCDRoast page that 0.98a14 apparently includes a totally rewritten > subsystem for disk reads and writes. Part of the problem could be > there... Harald - what's the situation here supposed to be currently? I thought that we figured something out where: - All CD burnings open the device with O_EXCL - Apps accessing the device otherwise (magicdev, etc.) do nothing special Was going to fix the problem, but I don't see anything in the current xcdroast package (0.98a13) to open devices O_EXCL. Thanks, Owen From mhowell at northlink.com Mon Oct 6 22:24:01 2003 From: mhowell at northlink.com (Mark Howell) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 15:24:01 -0700 Subject: Up2date from rawhide on severn2 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001901c38c58$8c488740$34021eac@icontrolinc.com> [snip] > > Have we made any progress here? My system is also registered, > and when I run up2date, it says I have two updates, both of > which are already installed? [snip] Would those two updates be for aspell and xemacs by any chance? I've seen the same behavior under Severn Beta 1 *and* FC Test 2 on both my boxes. This topic came up about a month ago with the subject "up2date problems with aspell and xemacs-el" (discussion and workaround found here: http://www.redhat.com/archives/rhl-beta-list/2003-September/msg00250.html) Mark. From elwoo at videotron.ca Mon Oct 6 22:25:52 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 18:25:52 -0400 Subject: where can I find the k3b (0.9) rpm package? In-Reply-To: <3F81E37B.7090904@lopht.net> References: <200310061623.10098.elwoo@videotron.ca> <200310061744.29593.elwoo@videotron.ca> <3F81E37B.7090904@lopht.net> Message-ID: <200310061825.52732.elwoo@videotron.ca> On October 6, 2003 05:49 pm, Justin Georgeson > wrote: > > [root at dhcp-133-74 downloads]# rpmbuild -bb k3b-0.9-0.fdr.4.src.rpm > > error: File /home/abe/downloads/k3b-0.9-0.fdr.4.src.rpm does not appear > > to be a specfile. > > try rpmbuild --rebuild Well, I got the needed libs installed, but my compile failed... :-( ....(much stuff edited out) .... k3bbinimagewritingdialog.cpp:161: error: `K3bStdGuiItems' undeclared (first use this function) k3bbinimagewritingdialog.cpp:161: error: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once for each function it appears in.) k3bbinimagewritingdialog.cpp:161: error: syntax error before `::' token k3bbinimagewritingdialog.cpp:162: error: syntax error before `::' token k3bbinimagewritingdialog.cpp:163: error: syntax error before `::' token make[3]: *** [k3bbinimagewritingdialog.lo] Error 1 make[3]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/redhat/BUILD/k3b-0.9/src/data' make[2]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/redhat/BUILD/k3b-0.9/src' make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/redhat/BUILD/k3b-0.9' make: *** [all] Error 2 error: Bad exit status from /var/tmp/rpm-tmp.63761 (%build) ... so no go with this ... Elton :-( -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From tvinhas at techbyte.com.br Mon Oct 6 22:32:47 2003 From: tvinhas at techbyte.com.br (Thiago Vinhas de Moraes) Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 19:32:47 -0300 Subject: How to setup DMA on my CD-RW? Message-ID: <1065479567.4495.0.camel@techbyte.com.br> Does anyone how to do it? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dennis at ausil.us Mon Oct 6 22:32:11 2003 From: dennis at ausil.us (Dennis Gilmore) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 08:32:11 +1000 Subject: where can I find the k3b (0.9) rpm package? In-Reply-To: <200310061825.52732.elwoo@videotron.ca> References: <200310061623.10098.elwoo@videotron.ca> <3F81E37B.7090904@lopht.net> <200310061825.52732.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <200310070832.20694.dennis@ausil.us> Once upon a time at band camp Tue, 7 Oct 2003 8:25 am, Elton Woo wrote: > On October 6, 2003 05:49 pm, Justin Georgeson > > wrote: > > > [root at dhcp-133-74 downloads]# rpmbuild -bb k3b-0.9-0.fdr.4.src.rpm > > > error: File /home/abe/downloads/k3b-0.9-0.fdr.4.src.rpm does not appear > > > to be a specfile. > > there is a k3b-0.9-0.fdr.5.src.rpm link there that one builds fine i built it here -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: signature URL: From elwoo at videotron.ca Mon Oct 6 22:39:47 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 18:39:47 -0400 Subject: where can I find the k3b (0.9) rpm package? In-Reply-To: <20031006230714.45ee9e7a.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de> References: <200310061623.10098.elwoo@videotron.ca> <20031006230714.45ee9e7a.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de> Message-ID: <200310061839.47489.elwoo@videotron.ca> On October 6, 2003 05:07 pm, Michael Schwendt > wrote: > Please consider supporting the one from fedora.us that is waiting for > reviews here: > > https://bugzilla.fedora.us/show_bug.cgi?id=500 > > You would need to rpmbuild --rebuild it from src.rpm. > Shouldn't be a problem, though. I didn't succeed with the rebuild, even after installing the needed devel packages.... Elton. -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From michael at epm2.com Mon Oct 6 22:47:26 2003 From: michael at epm2.com (Michael R Hatzel Jr) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 18:47:26 -0400 Subject: GRUB Failure after last Friday's update In-Reply-To: <20031006214001.301.71504.Mailman@listman.back-rdu.redhat.com> Message-ID: I am running Fedora Core Test 2 in a dual boot scenario with Windows XP. Both are on seperate hard disks, and I had to do the cpio trick to get the first block off of the Linux Drive and copy it over to my Windows installation in order to set up the dual boot. This has worked fine forever, but after last Friday's update (all 300+ MB of it), my system hangs at "Loading GRUB Stage2 . . .". I tried booting off of my rescue disk, and re-installing grub through grub-install, and that merely resulted in the "Loading GRUB Stage2 . . ." message being sent to my printer over and over again. Any thoughts? Thanks Mike Hatzel From notting at redhat.com Mon Oct 6 22:52:10 2003 From: notting at redhat.com (Bill Nottingham) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 18:52:10 -0400 Subject: CD locking (was Re: is magicdev evil?) In-Reply-To: <1065477779.5053.366.camel@poincare.devel.redhat.com>; from otaylor@redhat.com on Mon, Oct 06, 2003 at 06:03:00PM -0400 References: <1065474865.5053.303.camel@poincare.devel.redhat.com> <1065475621.4154.9.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> <1065477779.5053.366.camel@poincare.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20031006185210.A28440@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Owen Taylor (otaylor at redhat.com) said: > Harald - what's the situation here supposed to be currently? > I thought that we figured something out where: > > - All CD burnings open the device with O_EXCL > - Apps accessing the device otherwise (magicdev, etc.) do nothing > special > > Was going to fix the problem, but I don't see anything in the current > xcdroast package (0.98a13) to open devices O_EXCL. xcdroast never opens the CD device itself, it just calls cdrecord, as I recall. So the locking is just in cdrecord. Bill From hosting at j2solutions.net Mon Oct 6 23:05:42 2003 From: hosting at j2solutions.net (Jesse Keating) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 16:05:42 -0700 Subject: GRUB Failure after last Friday's update In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200310061605.42264.hosting@j2solutions.net> On Monday 06 October 2003 15:47, Michael R Hatzel Jr wrote: > "Loading GRUB Stage2 . . ." message being sent to my printer over and > over again. Any thoughts? It's actually sending this message to your printer? How is the printer connected? Parallel? -- Jesse Keating RHCE MCSE http://geek.j2solutions.net Mondo DevTeam (http://www.microwerks.net/~hugo/) Was I helpful? Let others know: http://svcs.affero.net/rm.php?r=jkeating From jdow at earthlink.net Mon Oct 6 23:09:28 2003 From: jdow at earthlink.net (jdow) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 16:09:28 -0700 Subject: How to setup DMA on my CD-RW? References: <1065479567.4495.0.camel@techbyte.com.br> Message-ID: <016a01c38c5e$e55b3480$2eedfea9@kittycat> From: "Thiago Vinhas de Moraes" > Does anyone how to do it? I would try hdparm. {^_^} From ms-nospam-0306 at arcor.de Mon Oct 6 23:21:16 2003 From: ms-nospam-0306 at arcor.de (Michael Schwendt) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 01:21:16 +0200 Subject: where can I find the k3b (0.9) rpm package? In-Reply-To: <200310061825.52732.elwoo@videotron.ca> References: <200310061623.10098.elwoo@videotron.ca> <200310061744.29593.elwoo@videotron.ca> <3F81E37B.7090904@lopht.net> <200310061825.52732.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <20031007012116.214aa85c.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Mon, 06 Oct 2003 18:25:52 -0400, Elton Woo wrote: > > try rpmbuild --rebuild > Well, I got the needed libs installed, but my compile failed... :-( > > ....(much stuff edited out) .... > > k3bbinimagewritingdialog.cpp:161: error: `K3bStdGuiItems' undeclared (first > use > this function) Feel free to send me a full build log privately (e.g. rpm --rebuild k3b*.src.rpm &> build.log). The src.rpm has seen testing on Red Hat Linux 9 and 9.0.93, but could be true that it breaks on 0.94. I'm going to look into it, too. - -- Michael, who doesn't reply to top posts and complete quotes anymore. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/gfjs0iMVcrivHFQRAj15AJ9eEZ2fQ9juXQH+3u/VUb6kzlCkxACfY3/5 vcLPS5GGzMJbbZPPtstm10k= =Stej -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From 1midniterider at comcast.net Mon Oct 6 23:26:18 2003 From: 1midniterider at comcast.net (Marcus White) Date: 06 Oct 2003 19:26:18 -0400 Subject: Call for Testing: New ORBit2 to maybe fix evolution hangs In-Reply-To: <1065471083.26387.6.camel@mirkwood.devel.redhat.com> References: <1065471083.26387.6.camel@mirkwood.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1065482778.10422.14.camel@tbird> Worked for me... Evolution had locked up on the calendar function prior to installing the new rpm... On Mon, 2003-10-06 at 16:11, Jeremy Katz wrote: > If you're seeing hangs with ORBit2, I'd appreciate it if you could grab > the ORBit2 packages from http://people.redhat.com/~katzj/ORBit2/ and see > if that fixes the problems for you. I've installed them and evolution > continues to work fine for me with it, but I didn't see the problems to > begin with ;-) > > Thanks, > > Jeremy > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list -- Marcus White <1midniterider at comcast.net> From chrisw01 at privatei.com Mon Oct 6 23:43:10 2003 From: chrisw01 at privatei.com (Christopher A. Williams) Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 17:43:10 -0600 Subject: Call for Testing: New ORBit2 to maybe fix evolution hangs In-Reply-To: <1065482778.10422.14.camel@tbird> References: <1065471083.26387.6.camel@mirkwood.devel.redhat.com> <1065482778.10422.14.camel@tbird> Message-ID: <1065483790.8024.2.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> On Mon, 2003-10-06 at 17:26, Marcus White wrote: > On Mon, 2003-10-06 at 16:11, Jeremy Katz wrote: > > If you're seeing hangs with ORBit2, I'd appreciate it if you could grab > > the ORBit2 packages from http://people.redhat.com/~katzj/ORBit2/ and see > > if that fixes the problems for you. I've installed them and evolution > > continues to work fine for me with it, but I didn't see the problems to > > begin with ;-) > > > > Thanks, > > > > Jeremy > > Worked for me... Evolution had locked up on the calendar function prior > to installing the new rpm... > Same here. Evolution calendar and contacts problems seem to be gone now. Now, if I can only get my Palm to hotsync *all* of the conduits correctly. Still having problems with the To-Do conduit. ECalendar and EContacts work now. Cheers, Chris -- ==================================== "If you get to thinkin' you're a person of some influence, try orderin' someone else's dog around." --Cowboy Wisdom From rshaw5 at midsouth.rr.com Mon Oct 6 23:44:07 2003 From: rshaw5 at midsouth.rr.com (Richard Shaw) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 18:44:07 -0500 Subject: Boot issues Message-ID: <002101c38c63$bc4279f0$0a00a8c0@calvin> I've have two issues at boot time, but only one of them stops me from booting up completely. 1. When it goes into interactive boot it can't unmount the initrd. 2. The computer hangs, but does not lock up when trying to run firstboot. Can I safely disable firstboot? What all does it do for me other than setup users/time zone/etc. Richard From dstewart at atl.lmco.com Mon Oct 6 23:52:05 2003 From: dstewart at atl.lmco.com (Douglas Stewart) Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 19:52:05 -0400 Subject: Subject: FC2 install failure on Dell Inspiron 4150 In-Reply-To: <3F817909.5090307@atl.lmco.com> References: <20031003191546.4025.qmail@web13804.mail.yahoo.com> <3F817909.5090307@atl.lmco.com> Message-ID: <3F820025.8010801@atl.lmco.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Douglas Stewart wrote: | Frank Merenda wrote: | | try booting with: | | | | linux nofb pci=off | | | | that worked for me. But My install just freezes at the | | 'running /sbin/loader' line.... | | | | | | | | ===== | | - Frank Merenda | | Author - Uptime - http://www.steidler.net/uptime/ | | -a community based Linux blog and newsletter- | | Registered Linux User #234428 - http://counter.li.org | | webmaster - Humane Society of Jackson County - http://www.hsjc.com | | | | This got me to the "Do you have a driver disk?" screen. Upon selecting | "No", I get a metric boatload of Cyrillic characters against a blue | background, then back to the "install exited abnormally -- received | signal 11", then more Cyrillic garbage. | | *sigh* | | -- | ---------- | Doug Stewart | Systems Administrator/Web Applications Developer | Lockheed Martin Advanced Technology Labs | | Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur - -- fedora-test-list mailing list fedora-test-list at redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list Looks like this might have been for nothing. I re-burned all three ISOs and was able to install FC 0.94 successfully. The install previously never got far enough to perform a media check, so I'm going to chalk this one up to a bad burn. Shazbot! - -- - ---------- Doug Stewart Systems Administrator/Web Applications Developer Lockheed Martin Advanced Technology Labs Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/ggAlN50Q8DVvcvkRAsTiAJ4wJ5xg4nRLfGDmx0o/Z7276EQRHwCdFHWE uWcQ6yRQ+5mgD1TZMiXh8+4= =wLcJ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From seyman at wanadoo.fr Tue Oct 7 00:01:35 2003 From: seyman at wanadoo.fr (Emmanuel Seyman) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 02:01:35 +0200 Subject: How to setup DMA on my CD-RW? In-Reply-To: <1065479567.4495.0.camel@techbyte.com.br> References: <1065479567.4495.0.camel@techbyte.com.br> Message-ID: <20031007000135.GA11897@orient.maison> On Mon, Oct 06, 2003 at 07:32:47PM -0300, Thiago Vinhas de Moraes wrote: > > Does anyone how to do it? IIRC (this has changed a number of times), you have to make a /etc/sysconfig/harddisk file that contains USE_DMA=1, where is the device of your disk or CD-ROM (such as hdc). Emmanuel From tvinhas at techbyte.com.br Tue Oct 7 00:07:41 2003 From: tvinhas at techbyte.com.br (Thiago Vinhas de Moraes) Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 21:07:41 -0300 Subject: How to setup DMA on my CD-RW? In-Reply-To: <20031007000135.GA11897@orient.maison> References: <1065479567.4495.0.camel@techbyte.com.br> <20031007000135.GA11897@orient.maison> Message-ID: <1065485259.4495.3.camel@techbyte.com.br> Em Seg, 2003-10-06 ?s 21:01, Emmanuel Seyman escreveu: > On Mon, Oct 06, 2003 at 07:32:47PM -0300, Thiago Vinhas de Moraes wrote: > > > > Does anyone how to do it? > > IIRC (this has changed a number of times), you have to make a > /etc/sysconfig/harddisk file that contains USE_DMA=1, > where is the device of your disk or CD-ROM (such as hdc). At least on Fedora beta2, there is only the /etc/sysconfig/harddisks file. You are right, there is the USE_DMA option, but it will set DMA ON to all the hard disks. Is this a problem? Regards, Thiago -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From paul at frields.com Tue Oct 7 00:51:13 2003 From: paul at frields.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 20:51:13 -0400 Subject: How to setup DMA on my CD-RW? In-Reply-To: <1065485259.4495.3.camel@techbyte.com.br> References: <1065479567.4495.0.camel@techbyte.com.br> <20031007000135.GA11897@orient.maison> <1065485259.4495.3.camel@techbyte.com.br> Message-ID: <1065487873.2940.6.camel@bettie.internal.frields.org> On Mon, 2003-10-06 at 20:07, Thiago Vinhas de Moraes wrote: > > > Does anyone how to do it? > > > > IIRC (this has changed a number of times), you have to make a > > /etc/sysconfig/harddisk file that contains USE_DMA=1, > > where is the device of your disk or CD-ROM (such as hdc). > > At least on Fedora beta2, there is only the /etc/sysconfig/harddisks > file. You are right, there is the USE_DMA option, but it will set DMA > ON to all the hard disks. Is this a problem? The /etc/sysconfig/harddisks file is a global settings file that can be overridden by separate files such as /etc/sysconfig/harddiskhda, /etc/sysconfig/harddiskhdb, et al. However, this file shouldn't be needed for basic settings since the kernel does significantly more autodetection these days. For example, on my UDMA100 system running 2.4.22-1.2087.nptl, with *no* settings in /etc/sysconfig/harddisks: /dev/hda: multcount = 16 (on) IO_support = 1 (32-bit) unmaskirq = 1 (on) using_dma = 1 (on) keepsettings = 0 (off) readonly = 0 (off) readahead = 8 (on) geometry = 4982/255/63, sectors = 80043264, start = 0 Note the equivalent of hdparm's "-m16 -c1 -d1 -u1 -a8" is in play, and I didn't set a thing. You can verify this both through hdparm (use -i or -I for more lengthy info) and by checking /proc/ide/[piix|via], for example. Both my /proc/ide/via and hdparm -i (as well as other tests) confirm that the drive is running at UDMA-5 (100) speed. -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE From kai.thomsen at gmx.de Tue Oct 7 00:54:29 2003 From: kai.thomsen at gmx.de (Kai Thomsen) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 02:54:29 +0200 Subject: How to setup DMA on my CD-RW? In-Reply-To: <1065485259.4495.3.camel@techbyte.com.br> References: <1065479567.4495.0.camel@techbyte.com.br> <20031007000135.GA11897@orient.maison> <1065485259.4495.3.camel@techbyte.com.br> Message-ID: <20031007025429.21677fc7.kai.thomsen@gmx.de> On Mon, 06 Oct 2003 21:07:41 -0300, Thiago Vinhas de Moraes wrote: > At least on Fedora beta2, there is only the /etc/sysconfig/harddisks > file. You are right, there is the USE_DMA option, but it will set DMA > ON to all the hard disks. Is this a problem? This is documented in /etc/rc.d/rc.sysinit: There is only one file /etc/sysconfig/harddisks for all disks after installing the hdparm-RPM. If you need different hdparm parameters for each of your disks, copy /etc/sysconfig/harddisks to /etc/sysconfig/harddiskhda (hdb, hdc...) and modify it. Each disk which has no special parameters will use the defaults. Each non-disk which has no special parameters will be ignored. --Kai From paul at frields.com Tue Oct 7 00:53:31 2003 From: paul at frields.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 20:53:31 -0400 Subject: Call for Testing: New ORBit2 to maybe fix evolution hangs In-Reply-To: <1065483790.8024.2.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> References: <1065471083.26387.6.camel@mirkwood.devel.redhat.com> <1065482778.10422.14.camel@tbird> <1065483790.8024.2.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> Message-ID: <1065488011.2940.9.camel@bettie.internal.frields.org> On Mon, 2003-10-06 at 19:43, Christopher A. Williams wrote: > > > If you're seeing hangs with ORBit2, I'd appreciate it if you could grab > > > the ORBit2 packages from http://people.redhat.com/~katzj/ORBit2/ and see > > > if that fixes the problems for you. I've installed them and evolution > > > continues to work fine for me with it, but I didn't see the problems to > > > begin with ;-) > > > > Worked for me... Evolution had locked up on the calendar function prior > > to installing the new rpm... > Same here. Evolution calendar and contacts problems seem to be gone now. > Now, if I can only get my Palm to hotsync *all* of the conduits > correctly. Still having problems with the To-Do conduit. ECalendar and > EContacts work now. Also good here. Previously, Evolution locked every time I tried to exit regardless of what view I was using. Works like a charm now. Haven't tried conduits yet. -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE From ms-nospam-0306 at arcor.de Tue Oct 7 00:55:09 2003 From: ms-nospam-0306 at arcor.de (Michael Schwendt) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 02:55:09 +0200 Subject: where can I find the k3b (0.9) rpm package? In-Reply-To: <200310061839.47489.elwoo@videotron.ca> References: <200310061623.10098.elwoo@videotron.ca> <20031006230714.45ee9e7a.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de> <200310061839.47489.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <20031007025509.50bdc7d9.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Mon, 06 Oct 2003 18:39:47 -0400, Elton Woo wrote: > > https://bugzilla.fedora.us/show_bug.cgi?id=500 > > I didn't succeed with the rebuild, even after installing the > needed devel packages.... Is this on an SMP machine? In that case, if you know how to edit the spec file, try dropping the %{?_smp_mflags} from the make %{?_smp_mflags} line in the %build section, then rebuild the package with "rpmbuild -bb k3b.spec". Else, a build log is needed. - -- Michael, who doesn't reply to top posts and complete quotes anymore. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/gg7t0iMVcrivHFQRAkOBAJ9pyFHHil1fSHo/8gVgiKJycCLy6QCeLj+J NderAtUcMHV7qxrd3HcrAlg= =rUhC -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From JDrabb at tampabay.rr.com Tue Oct 7 01:22:37 2003 From: JDrabb at tampabay.rr.com (James Drabb) Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 21:22:37 -0400 Subject: severin login failure after updating today In-Reply-To: <1065454741.25324.168.camel@tbird> References: <1065202028.4943.7.camel@gstpc.earthlink.net> <200310032226.11076.elwoo@videotron.ca> <3F7E33F9.2070803@cfl.rr.com> <1065454741.25324.168.camel@tbird> Message-ID: <1065489757.5562.0.camel@keelie.tampabay.rr.com> On Mon, 2003-10-06 at 11:39, Marcus White wrote: > Dowgrading gdm to version 2.4.4.0-2, per suggestion by Sjoerd Mullender, > corrected the problem. The latest round of updates did not correct the > problem, which included kernel 2.4.22-1.2087.nptl. Does anyone know where to find an earlier version of gdm? Or should I just grab the sources? Jim Drabb -- James Drabb Senior Programmer Analyst Davenport, FL USA From JDrabb at tampabay.rr.com Tue Oct 7 01:23:29 2003 From: JDrabb at tampabay.rr.com (James Drabb) Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 21:23:29 -0400 Subject: Nautilus crashes when setting file properties In-Reply-To: <1065447742.5997.4.camel@suburbia> References: <1065398171.4832.15.camel@keelie.tampabay.rr.com> <1065400949.22954.2.camel@vaio.jumanjihouse.com> <1065439637.4832.27.camel@keelie.tampabay.rr.com> <1065439899.4832.29.camel@keelie.tampabay.rr.com> <1065447742.5997.4.camel@suburbia> Message-ID: <1065489809.5562.2.camel@keelie.tampabay.rr.com> On Mon, 2003-10-06 at 09:42, Joshua Legbandt wrote: > On Mon, 2003-10-06 at 04:31, James Drabb wrote: > > On Mon, 2003-10-06 at 07:27, James Drabb wrote: > > > Do I need any specific entires in /etc/sysconfig/rhn/sources? I just > > > ran up2date and only got two updates, one for gaim and one for xosd. > > > > P.S. This is occurring with nautilus-2.4.0-3 > > I can't dupe this, but I'm running nautilus-2.4.0-4, installed on 02 Oct > > -josh Updating has fixed it for me : ) Jim -- James Drabb Senior Programmer Analyst Davenport, FL USA From JDrabb at tampabay.rr.com Tue Oct 7 01:28:41 2003 From: JDrabb at tampabay.rr.com (James Drabb) Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 21:28:41 -0400 Subject: Configuring DMA to ON In-Reply-To: <1065462880.9386.15.camel@techbyte.com.br> References: <1065462880.9386.15.camel@techbyte.com.br> Message-ID: <1065490121.5562.6.camel@keelie.tampabay.rr.com> On Mon, 2003-10-06 at 13:54, Thiago Vinhas de Moraes wrote: > Hi, > > How do I setup the DMA setting to on to work on my CD-RW? > > Regards, > Thiago If you look in /etc/rc.d/rc.sysinit # Turn on harddisk optimization # There is only one file /etc/sysconfig/harddisks for all disks # after installing the hdparm-RPM. If you need different hdparm # parameters for each of your disks, copy /etc/sysconfig/harddisks to # /etc/sysconfig/harddiskhda (hdb, hdc...) and modify it. # Each disk which has no special parameters will use the defaults. # Each non-disk which has no special parameters will be ignored. You can open up /etc/sysconfig/harddisks and uncomment (remove the # from the beginning of the line) the lines USE_DMA=1 MULTIPLE_IO=16 EIDE_32BIT=3 You can also use the hdparm command directly type man hdparm to get some more information on the command. Jim Drabb -- James Drabb Senior Programmer Analyst Davenport, FL USA From JDrabb at tampabay.rr.com Tue Oct 7 01:46:00 2003 From: JDrabb at tampabay.rr.com (James Drabb) Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 21:46:00 -0400 Subject: Unable to edit applications menu in Gnome In-Reply-To: <3F81DAFA.4010601@zonnet.nl> References: <3F81DAFA.4010601@zonnet.nl> Message-ID: <1065491159.5828.1.camel@keelie.tampabay.rr.com> On Mon, 2003-10-06 at 17:13, Jaap A. Haitsma wrote: > Hi, > > With the standard Fedora install it's not possible to edit Applications > Menu. I found on the internet how to do it. They consider it as a "bug" > in RH 9.0, which is still present in Fedora. > > http://www.wse.jhu.edu/newtnotes/main_file.php/sysadmin/55 > > Is there any reason to make the menu not editable?? > > I would prefer to have the menu editable and preferably an icon in the > menu, which opens nautilus at applications:/// > > Jaap This is still pretty buggy for me : ( I added a new link to my home folder at the root of the menu and gnome-panel locked up and needed a killall. I then added a new directory and the nautilus window that was at applications:// froze up : ( Jim Drabb -- James Drabb Senior Programmer Analyst Davenport, FL USA From JDrabb at tampabay.rr.com Tue Oct 7 01:49:28 2003 From: JDrabb at tampabay.rr.com (James Drabb) Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 21:49:28 -0400 Subject: Unable to edit applications menu in Gnome In-Reply-To: <1065491159.5828.1.camel@keelie.tampabay.rr.com> References: <3F81DAFA.4010601@zonnet.nl> <1065491159.5828.1.camel@keelie.tampabay.rr.com> Message-ID: <1065491368.5828.4.camel@keelie.tampabay.rr.com> On Mon, 2003-10-06 at 21:46, James Drabb wrote: > On Mon, 2003-10-06 at 17:13, Jaap A. Haitsma wrote: > > Hi, > > > > With the standard Fedora install it's not possible to edit Applications > > Menu. I found on the internet how to do it. They consider it as a "bug" > > in RH 9.0, which is still present in Fedora. > > > > http://www.wse.jhu.edu/newtnotes/main_file.php/sysadmin/55 > > > > Is there any reason to make the menu not editable?? > > > > I would prefer to have the menu editable and preferably an icon in the > > menu, which opens nautilus at applications:/// > > > > Jaap > > This is still pretty buggy for me : ( > I added a new link to my home folder at the root of the menu and > gnome-panel locked up and needed a killall. I then added a new > directory and the nautilus window that was at applications:// froze up > : ( > > Jim Drabb Hmm, I just tried to "edit launcher" from the right click menu and nautilus sucked up 99.x% of my cpu. I had to ctrl+alt+f1 to console and kill it from top. I don't think this feature is ready yet : ) Jim Drabb -- James Drabb Senior Programmer Analyst Davenport, FL USA From cochranb at speakeasy.net Tue Oct 7 01:51:51 2003 From: cochranb at speakeasy.net (Robert L Cochran) Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 21:51:51 -0400 Subject: Call for Testing: New ORBit2 to maybe fix evolution hangs In-Reply-To: <1065471083.26387.6.camel@mirkwood.devel.redhat.com> References: <1065471083.26387.6.camel@mirkwood.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <3F821C37.4070900@speakeasy.net> This has corrected my problems with Evolution 1.4. Previously, it crashed when attempting to change mail account options, deleting standard unix mbox emails, or emptying trash on deleted emails. It looks like I can use Evolutiuon 1.4 normally now. Bob Jeremy Katz wrote: > If you're seeing hangs with ORBit2, I'd appreciate it if you could grab > the ORBit2 packages from http://people.redhat.com/~katzj/ORBit2/ and see > if that fixes the problems for you. I've installed them and evolution > continues to work fine for me with it, but I didn't see the problems to > begin with ;-) > > Thanks, > > Jeremy > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > -- Bob Cochran Greenbelt, Maryland, USA http://greenbeltcomputer.biz/ From redhat-jc at insight.rr.com Tue Oct 7 02:09:48 2003 From: redhat-jc at insight.rr.com (Jim Cornette) Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 22:09:48 -0400 Subject: Cooler running system w/ latest Severn (real or imagined) In-Reply-To: <20031006121759.GA13124@redhat.com> References: <3F81575F.6090103@insight.rr.com> <20031006121759.GA13124@redhat.com> Message-ID: <3F82206C.8010505@insight.rr.com> Dave Jones wrote: > On Mon, Oct 06, 2003 at 07:51:59AM -0400, Jim Cornette wrote: > > With the latest upgrades to Severn. I seem to notice that the processor > > is running cooler and the fan is not coming on as frequently. Is this a > > real improvement or related to the cooler/ drier temps for the season? > > If you booted with ACPI=on, then the processor & thermal modules are now getting > loaded on startup which is doing thermal throttling when its idle. > If you're not using ACPI, I've no idea why 8-) > > Dave > Thanks for the explanation. It is quite an improvement with the ACPI features. The laptop seemed quieter and isn't such a lap warmer now. Before the improvements. I couldn't put the laptop on heat sensitive objects for very long. They seem to be working great with an HP model ze4315us machine. (acpi=on) Jim -- The San Diego Freeway. Official Parking Lot of the 1984 Olympics! From stevewa at spiritone.com Tue Oct 7 02:11:31 2003 From: stevewa at spiritone.com (Steve Ward) Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 19:11:31 -0700 Subject: GDM crash -- new discovery? Message-ID: <3F8220D3.2040302@spiritone.com> GDM appears to only crash if using the Bluecurve theme. I was able to switch to the Happy-GNOME with Browser theme and after one crash it worked (also worked across a reboot). Switched back to Bluecurve and it crashed again. NB: I'm still getting the failsafe session however. From cochranb at speakeasy.net Tue Oct 7 02:33:03 2003 From: cochranb at speakeasy.net (Robert L Cochran) Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 22:33:03 -0400 Subject: GDM crash -- new discovery? In-Reply-To: <3F8220D3.2040302@spiritone.com> References: <3F8220D3.2040302@spiritone.com> Message-ID: <3F8225DF.5090707@speakeasy.net> I'm getting the failsafe session, too. Haven't switched themes like you. Bob Steve Ward wrote: > GDM appears to only crash if using the Bluecurve theme. I was able to > switch to the Happy-GNOME with Browser theme and after one crash it > worked (also worked across a reboot). Switched back to Bluecurve and it > crashed again. > > NB: I'm still getting the failsafe session however. > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > -- Bob Cochran Greenbelt, Maryland, USA http://greenbeltcomputer.biz/ From redhat-jc at insight.rr.com Tue Oct 7 03:01:19 2003 From: redhat-jc at insight.rr.com (Jim Cornette) Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 23:01:19 -0400 Subject: Fedora Test 2 will not log in to Gnome? In-Reply-To: <1065428268.8497.45.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <9059DDFC-F38D-11D7-941A-000393C34F68@mac.com> <3F7A28B4.1090504@insight.rr.com> <1064994547.8497.19.camel@localhost.localdomain> <3F7C0C01.10607@insight.rr.com> <1065169764.8497.33.camel@localhost.localdomain> <3F8041C1.2000907@insight.rr.com> <1065428268.8497.45.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <3F822C7F.1060103@insight.rr.com> Alexander Larsson wrote: > On Sun, 2003-10-05 at 18:07, Jim Cornette wrote: > >>Alexander Larsson wrote: >> >>>On Thu, 2003-10-02 at 13:29, Jim Cornette wrote: >>> >>> >>>>The bug was with an: >>>> >>>>EtherLink XL PCI >>>>3C900B-TPO >>>>03-0147-000 >>>>REV-A >>>> >>>>bugs 104793 through 104795 contain information regarding the check cable >>>>and avalanche effects for the NIC card. >>> >>> >>>Does this card work if you remove kudzu from the init scripts? >> >>I have the card lying around here. The problem seems that the card is >>recognized as the below card. This card worked fine from RHL 5.2 through >>all versions up to Severn. >> >>I haven't really looked into the init scripts before. Which one would >>concern disabling Kudzu for Ethernet Cards? >> >>The 3c590 driver seemed to work for this card. It seems that the 3c900 >>is being attempted to use instead. The working card in my system is what >>it states. A tornado 3c900 based. This one is not as detected. > > > I had problems with a 3com card where kudzu probing would essentially > "break" the network card. It couldn't see or send any packages at all. > Just temporary moving away /etc/rc5.d/S05kudzu and rebooting made > networking work. The card would come up and say thet my network cable was unplugged. This was during the system coming up. After all of the processes completed. I noticed that I had no network connection. I did an ifconfig and there was no address for getting out through my router. So I just decided to run dhclient from the command line and it got me connected. The first time I tried it was going from a 7.3 installation and it hosed GNOME, Mozilla and a slew of other applications. KDE and konquerer worked alright though. I let this installation be dormant for awhile, then submitted a bug for the editing feature of redhat-config-network crashing when I tried to add or remove a network device. The bug was closed as fixed in rawhide. I then upgraded with a clean install of Severn1 and redhat-config-network would still go crazy when trying to edit devices. I'm in agreement with you that kudzu might be severely misidentifying this device and breaking a whole lot of pieces for the distribution. I was just surprised that one hardware device malfunctioning could cause so much to go wrong. If I would not run dhclient until I tried to launch Gnome. Gnome would launch alright. But getting GNOME to shut down was not working. I was also seeing file permission errors. This I believe was related to the device being sort of one-way (having the ability to write the file, but was not recognized as the same entity that wrote the file originally.) I closed my outstanding bugs because except for the ethernet problem, all of the other problems were symptoms of the wrong driver for the ethernet card. If it would be of some use. I could get the output from kudzu for my RHL9 and the output for the severn kudzu. RH9 and below work alright for this ethernet card. Severn toasted the NIC into uselessness. I believe this card is pretty popular with corporate users. Figuring out where this card and other 3c590 NICs were broken seems like something that needs to be fixed. I saw a posting about a 3c590 card mentioned for someone that was installing it on a laptop. I'm not sure if he was using a PCMCIA plugin card or if the card was builtin to his laptop. My card was PCI, But I have a few 3com ISA cards lying around also. I haven't tried them out to see if they are hosed or not. They all have worked with earlier versions of Red Hat. Jim > > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > Alexander Larsson Red Hat, Inc > alexl at redhat.com alla at lysator.liu.se > He's an uncontrollable misogynist astronaut moving from town to town, helping > folk in trouble. She's a transdimensional communist traffic cop with the power > to see death. They fight crime! > -- "I've finally learned what `upward compatible' means. It means we get to keep all our old mistakes." -- Dennie van Tassel From elwoo at videotron.ca Tue Oct 7 03:07:47 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 23:07:47 -0400 Subject: kmail and kaddress-book keeps crashing.... Message-ID: <3F822E03.4020302@videotron.ca> Until a few hours ago, I was able to send and receiv mail with kmail. Just a few minutes ago, I turned on the machine, and now, kmail consistently crashes if: 1) I try to add an address from the address book in the "To:" field. 2) If I copy an address, and try to send the message (like this one) 3) If I open kaddressbook _by itself_, that too will CONSISTENELY crash. ... with this result: (no debugging symbols found)...Using host libthread_db library "/lib/tls/libthread_db.so.1". (no debugging symbols found)... (no debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)... (no debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)... (no debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)... (no debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)... (no debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)... (no debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)... (no debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)... (no debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)... 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(no debugging symbols found)...0x00a20c32 in _dl_sysinfo_int80 () from /lib/ld-linux.so.2 #0 0x00a20c32 in _dl_sysinfo_int80 () from /lib/ld-linux.so.2 #1 0x00ca8963 in __waitpid_nocancel () from /lib/tls/libpthread.so.0 #2 0x005f2c82 in KCrash::defaultCrashHandler(int) () from /usr/lib/libkdecore.so.4 #3 #4 0x074c7889 in KABC::Picture::Picture() () from /usr/lib/libkabc.so.1 #5 0x074ee216 in KABC::Addressee::AddresseeData::AddresseeData() () from /usr/lib/libkabc.so.1 #6 0xd8074ae9 in ?? () #7 0xa008fb32 in ?? () #8 0xdd079155 in ?? () #9 0xa9000002 in ?? () #10 0x1807841d in ?? () #11 0xc8074839 in ?? () #12 0xc8079150 in ?? () #13 0xc808fb2d in ?? () #14 0x2808fb32 in ?? () #15 0x30bfea1f in ?? () #16 0x5400a2c3 in ?? () #17 0xc8006967 in ?? () #18 0xc8079150 in ?? () #19 0xc808fb2d in ?? () #20 0x2808fb32 in ?? () #21 0x8cbfea1f in ?? () #22 0xd0078a1c in ?? () #23 0x3008fb32 in ?? () #24 0x2800a2c3 in ?? () #25 0x8c006967 in ?? () #26 0x90074f61 in ?? () #27 0xc808fb32 in ?? () #28 0x5808fb2d in ?? () #29 0x40bfea1f in ?? () #30 0xc8074ac7 in ?? () #31 0x0008fb2d in ?? () I'm totally at a loss to explain this new and unusual behavoir on the part of kmail and / or the addressbook. (I'm posting this from mozilla-mail ...) Elton From hosting at j2solutions.net Tue Oct 7 03:15:19 2003 From: hosting at j2solutions.net (Jesse Keating) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 20:15:19 -0700 Subject: Fedora Legacy List launched Message-ID: <7AD15046-F874-11D7-B878-000393D35C04@j2solutions.net> Due to popular demand, we have launched a Fedora Legacy email list to go along with the IRC channel and wiki page. To subscribe, please visit: https://lists.dulug.duke.edu/mailman/listinfo/fedora-legacy-list (I'm not a member of fedora-list or fedora.us's list. Please echo this announcement there) -- Jesse Keating RHCE MCSE http://geek.j2solutions.net Mondo DevTeam (www.mondorescue.org) Was I helpful? Let others know: http://svcs.affero.net/rm.php?r=jkeating From Tommy.McNeely at Sun.com Tue Oct 7 03:29:18 2003 From: Tommy.McNeely at Sun.com (Tommy McNeely) Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 21:29:18 -0600 Subject: is magicdev evil? References: <1065474865.5053.303.camel@poincare.devel.redhat.com> <1065477366.5053.350.camel@poincare.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 06 Oct 2003 17:56:06 -0400, Owen Taylor wrote: > On Mon, 2003-10-06 at 17:41, Tommy McNeely wrote: >> [quoted text muted] > > If magicdev consistently appears at the top of your top, then that's a > bug. (Please provide information as detailed in the last mail) > > What I'd expect is that it doesn't appear at all in top, except perhaps > popping up occasionally with 1-2% cpu if the sampling gets lucky. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=106437 If anyone else has this situation where magicdev eats up a lot of cpu cycles, you should probably do the strace as well... I don't see anything strange in my strace... it just keeps opening the cdroms (3 of them)... Tommy > > Regards, > Owen From wacker at octothorp.org Tue Oct 7 03:33:32 2003 From: wacker at octothorp.org (William F. Acker WB2FLW +1-303-722-7209) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 21:33:32 -0600 (MDT) Subject: Missing UTC timezone during installation. Message-ID: Hi all, When I installed Fedora test 2, I couldn't find the entry for UTC or GMT in the list of timezones. Easy to fix afterward, but probably a bug. -- Bill in Denver From wacker at octothorp.org Tue Oct 7 03:37:01 2003 From: wacker at octothorp.org (William F. Acker WB2FLW +1-303-722-7209) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 21:37:01 -0600 (MDT) Subject: Can't compile the serial MIDI ALSA driver under Fedora. Message-ID: Hi all, I can post the exact error if needed, but I think this must be a known issue by now. In RHL test 1, and Fedora test 2, the building of the ALSA drivers aborts on serial MIDI. both in 0.9.6 and 0.9.7a. TIA. -- Bill in Denver From Tommy.McNeely at Sun.com Tue Oct 7 03:53:02 2003 From: Tommy.McNeely at Sun.com (Tommy McNeely) Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 21:53:02 -0600 Subject: Up2date from rawhide on severn2 References: <001901c38c58$8c488740$34021eac@icontrolinc.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 06 Oct 2003 15:24:01 -0700, Mark Howell wrote: > [snip] >> [quoted text muted] > > [snip] > > Would those two updates be for aspell and xemacs by any chance? I've seen > the same behavior under Severn Beta 1 *and* FC Test 2 on both my boxes. > I dont *think* I had this problem in beta1, but its certainly possible... those are exactly the two packages in question.. I could do the --replace-pkgs option.. unless you think we should file a bug report based on anything first? .. I tried the --rebuilddb to no avail... I also get a shitload of (up2date:24432): libglade-WARNING **: could not convert string to type `GdkPixbuf' for property `logo' (up2date:24432): libglade-WARNING **: Error loading image: Failed to open file '/usr/share/pixmaps/redhat/shadowman-round-48.png': No such file or directory errors that I just noticed (cause I usually run up2date via the RHN icon) Tommy > This topic came up about a month ago with the subject "up2date problems > with aspell and xemacs-el" (discussion and workaround found here: > http://www.redhat.com/archives/rhl-beta-list/2003-September/msg00250.html) > > Mark. From linhardt at swbell.net Tue Oct 7 03:55:13 2003 From: linhardt at swbell.net (Terry R Linhardt) Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 22:55:13 -0500 Subject: syslogd causes hangs Message-ID: <1065498913.4599.11.camel@chastain> Sorry if I've missed any prior discussions of this.... After one of the updates to "Beta 1" I noticed that my Fedora "splash screen" was often hang for a long time (minutes) before giving me a graphical desktop. ALSO, the graphical access to my home directory and sub-directories was S-L-O-W. (minutes). Other programs, such as mail and browsers, however, seemed to work just fine. Tonight I installed updates to Beta 2. The Fedora splash screen simply hung. (Never went to a desktop) I got to a text screen, and did some poking around. Finally discovered that if I *killed* the syslogd process my splash screen immediately "processed" and I got a graphical desktop. Also, graphical access to my home directory worked like a charm. But of course my syslogd daemon is now dead. Oh yes, if I manually restart the daemon, such things as the graphical access to my home directory once again go into the dumper. (Although command line manipulation of the directory structure works without a problem). Feedback would be appreciated. Terry -- Terry R Linhardt From Tommy.McNeely at Sun.com Tue Oct 7 04:11:06 2003 From: Tommy.McNeely at Sun.com (Tommy McNeely) Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 22:11:06 -0600 Subject: redhat-config-securitylevel vs redhat-config-firewall? Message-ID: WOW! I can actually use the built in firewall right out of the box (for my laptop anyhow)... although I don't recall the option to allow ipsec vpn traffic, its in there (50 & 51 below), and RELATED,ESTABLISHED ! YAY! However, I question the allowing of ALL ICMP traffic in? -A RH-Firewall-1-INPUT -p icmp --icmp-type any -j ACCEPT I usually only allow "related/established" and don't have any troubles ... actually a lot of the dumber viruses/worms pass me by cause I respond with an error on icmp echo. ofcourse they can't infect me, and I don't know if allowing all icmp traffic even poses a vulnerability, but I have always blocked it? Also, why is it called redhat-config-securitylevel, when all it really configures is the firewall.. wouldn't it make more sense to be called redhat-config-firewall? isn't that what it used to be called? what other security level stuff does it configure? :) (ipsec vpn traffic) -A RH-Firewall-1-INPUT -p 50 -j ACCEPT -A RH-Firewall-1-INPUT -p 51 -j ACCEPT Tommy From notting at redhat.com Tue Oct 7 04:15:40 2003 From: notting at redhat.com (Bill Nottingham) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 00:15:40 -0400 Subject: syslogd causes hangs In-Reply-To: <1065498913.4599.11.camel@chastain>; from linhardt@swbell.net on Mon, Oct 06, 2003 at 10:55:13PM -0500 References: <1065498913.4599.11.camel@chastain> Message-ID: <20031007001540.A7327@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Terry R Linhardt (linhardt at swbell.net) said: > Tonight I installed updates to Beta 2. The Fedora splash screen simply > hung. (Never went to a desktop) I got to a text screen, and did some > poking around. Finally discovered that if I *killed* the syslogd process > my splash screen immediately "processed" and I got a graphical desktop. > Also, graphical access to my home directory worked like a charm. But of > course my syslogd daemon is now dead. Oh yes, if I manually restart the > daemon, such things as the graphical access to my home directory once > again go into the dumper. (Although command line manipulation of the > directory structure works without a problem). > > Feedback would be appreciated. What's sysklogd doing if you strace it? Bill From hoyt at cavtel.net Tue Oct 7 04:28:16 2003 From: hoyt at cavtel.net (HoytDuff) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 00:28:16 -0400 Subject: How to setup DMA on my CD-RW? In-Reply-To: <20031007000135.GA11897@orient.maison> References: <1065479567.4495.0.camel@techbyte.com.br> <20031007000135.GA11897@orient.maison> Message-ID: <200310070028.16722.hoyt@cavtel.net> On Monday 06 October 2003 08:01 pm, Emmanuel Seyman wrote: > > Does anyone how to do it? > > IIRC (this has changed a number of times), you have to make a > /etc/sysconfig/harddisk file that contains USE_DMA=1, > where is the device of your disk or CD-ROM (such as hdc). I have always wondered where this is actually documented . . . -- Hoyt From mhowell at northlink.com Tue Oct 7 05:43:29 2003 From: mhowell at northlink.com (Mark Howell) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 22:43:29 -0700 Subject: Up2date from rawhide on severn2 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <003e01c38c95$f152b150$34021eac@icontrolinc.com> Tommy McNeely wrote: [snip] > > > > Would those two updates be for aspell and xemacs by any > chance? I've > > seen the same behavior under Severn Beta 1 *and* FC Test 2 > on both my > > boxes. > > > > > I dont *think* I had this problem in beta1, but its certainly > possible... those are exactly the two packages in question.. > I could do the --replace-pkgs option.. unless you think we > should file a bug report based on anything first? .. I tried > the --rebuilddb to no avail... I also get a shitload of > --rebuilddb didn't solve it for me either. I got around it by removing and reinstalling the packages as follows (mentioned later in original thread last month): (as root) rpm -e --nodeps aspell xemaces-el; up2date --nosig aspell xemacs-el I'd rather not have needed the --nosig bit but it was necessary with my config though I think I've imported all the right GPG keys. I don't know whether this was really an up2date/rhn/rpm *bug* or just a hiccup in the way Fedora was packaged. If you don't see this in bugzilla and no one follows up saying "not a bug" then by all means file it. > (up2date:24432): libglade-WARNING **: could not convert > string to type `GdkPixbuf' for property `logo' > > (up2date:24432): libglade-WARNING **: Error loading image: > Failed to open file > '/usr/share/pixmaps/redhat/shadowman-round-48.png': No such > file or directory > > > errors that I just noticed (cause I usually run up2date via > the RHN icon) > I get these all the time on both my test boxes, but I think they're unrelated to the package confusion issue above. Cheers, Mark. From mhowell at northlink.com Tue Oct 7 05:43:29 2003 From: mhowell at northlink.com (Mark Howell) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 22:43:29 -0700 Subject: Up2date from rawhide on severn2 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <003e01c38c95$f152b150$34021eac@icontrolinc.com> Tommy McNeely wrote: [snip] > > > > Would those two updates be for aspell and xemacs by any > chance? I've > > seen the same behavior under Severn Beta 1 *and* FC Test 2 > on both my > > boxes. > > > > > I dont *think* I had this problem in beta1, but its certainly > possible... those are exactly the two packages in question.. > I could do the --replace-pkgs option.. unless you think we > should file a bug report based on anything first? .. I tried > the --rebuilddb to no avail... I also get a shitload of > --rebuilddb didn't solve it for me either. I got around it by removing and reinstalling the packages as follows (mentioned later in original thread last month): (as root) rpm -e --nodeps aspell xemaces-el; up2date --nosig aspell xemacs-el I'd rather not have needed the --nosig bit but it was necessary with my config though I think I've imported all the right GPG keys. I don't know whether this was really an up2date/rhn/rpm *bug* or just a hiccup in the way Fedora was packaged. If you don't see this in bugzilla and no one follows up saying "not a bug" then by all means file it. > (up2date:24432): libglade-WARNING **: could not convert > string to type `GdkPixbuf' for property `logo' > > (up2date:24432): libglade-WARNING **: Error loading image: > Failed to open file > '/usr/share/pixmaps/redhat/shadowman-round-48.png': No such > file or directory > > > errors that I just noticed (cause I usually run up2date via > the RHN icon) > I get these all the time on both my test boxes, but I think they're unrelated to the package confusion issue above. Cheers, Mark. From alexl at redhat.com Tue Oct 7 07:24:42 2003 From: alexl at redhat.com (Alexander Larsson) Date: 07 Oct 2003 09:24:42 +0200 Subject: tailored message on gdm greeter screen In-Reply-To: <1065477512.3273.13.camel@vaio.jumanjihouse.com> References: <200310041400.09912.czar@czarc.net> <1065477512.3273.13.camel@vaio.jumanjihouse.com> Message-ID: <1065511481.22938.56.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2003-10-06 at 23:58, Paul Morgan wrote: > On Sat, 2003-10-04 at 13:00, Gene C. wrote: > > I would like to put a tailored message on the gdm graphical greeter screen to > > indicate just which version of the system I am running -- I have multiple > > version installed on the same hardware and it is sometimes not clear which is > > running/has been booted. > > > > I tried using the Systems Settings/Login Screen tool for gdm setting but > > changing messages there seems to have no effect. > > > > Any ideas/tips? > > Have you looked at /usr/share/gdm/themes/Bluecurve/Bluecurve.xml.in (or > its progeny /usr/share/gdm/themes/Bluecurve/Bluecurve.xml)? > > You could probably call a small script from rc.local in which you use > sed to insert the current version or other info into the greeter. > > Aside: is it documented somewhere which variables are allowed in this > xml file (similar to %h)? I don't think so. But the code says: %h hostname %o domainname %d timed login delay %s timed login string %c clock =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Alexander Larsson Red Hat, Inc alexl at redhat.com alla at lysator.liu.se He's an otherworldly Jewish master criminal for the 21st century. She's an elegant belly-dancing bodyguard with her own daytime radio talk show. They fight crime! From alexl at redhat.com Tue Oct 7 07:28:12 2003 From: alexl at redhat.com (Alexander Larsson) Date: 07 Oct 2003 09:28:12 +0200 Subject: Nautilus crashes In-Reply-To: <3F81417C.3050405@tuins.ac.jp> References: <3F81336B.70607@tech-access.com> <3F813A1E.4050209@tuins.ac.jp> <3F81417C.3050405@tuins.ac.jp> Message-ID: <1065511691.22938.58.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2003-10-06 at 12:18, rg wrote: > I wrote before about Nautilus windows for my USB pendrive consistently > crashing on Test 2 (CD install) and Test 1 with rawhide updates (both on > different machines). Now, however, I find that the crashes come even for > my home directory. I get the error message (process 23389). Should I > bugzilla it? Only if its not fixed in 2.4.0-5. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Alexander Larsson Red Hat, Inc alexl at redhat.com alla at lysator.liu.se He's a shy umbrella-wielding househusband on a search for his missing sister. She's a ditzy winged widow from out of town. They fight crime! From alexl at redhat.com Tue Oct 7 07:29:17 2003 From: alexl at redhat.com (Alexander Larsson) Date: 07 Oct 2003 09:29:17 +0200 Subject: XCDRoast - cannot read image In-Reply-To: <200310061316.40186.elwoo@videotron.ca> References: <3F815EFF.2060405@tech-access.com> <200310061316.40186.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <1065511757.22938.60.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2003-10-06 at 19:16, Elton Woo wrote: > On October 6, 2003 08:24 am, Sean Craig > > wrote: > > If I kill the magicdev process, then XCDRoast can read the disk and > > save to image just fine. > > > > any explanations? > Magicdev is polling the CD device. You usually have to kill it, in order > to run any burner *other than* the nautilus burner. This is strange. nautilus-cd-burner just uses cdrecord, and I though we patched cdrecord to lock the cd device. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Alexander Larsson Red Hat, Inc alexl at redhat.com alla at lysator.liu.se He's a scrappy ninja rock star with a secret. She's a ditzy insomniac schoolgirl living homeless in New York's sewers. They fight crime! From alexl at redhat.com Tue Oct 7 07:34:46 2003 From: alexl at redhat.com (Alexander Larsson) Date: 07 Oct 2003 09:34:46 +0200 Subject: Unable to edit applications menu in Gnome In-Reply-To: <1065491368.5828.4.camel@keelie.tampabay.rr.com> References: <3F81DAFA.4010601@zonnet.nl> <1065491159.5828.1.camel@keelie.tampabay.rr.com> <1065491368.5828.4.camel@keelie.tampabay.rr.com> Message-ID: <1065512086.22938.62.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2003-10-07 at 03:49, James Drabb wrote: > On Mon, 2003-10-06 at 21:46, James Drabb wrote: > > On Mon, 2003-10-06 at 17:13, Jaap A. Haitsma wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > > > With the standard Fedora install it's not possible to edit Applications > > > Menu. I found on the internet how to do it. They consider it as a "bug" > > > in RH 9.0, which is still present in Fedora. > > > > > > http://www.wse.jhu.edu/newtnotes/main_file.php/sysadmin/55 > > > > > > Is there any reason to make the menu not editable?? > > > > > > I would prefer to have the menu editable and preferably an icon in the > > > menu, which opens nautilus at applications:/// > > > > > > Jaap > > > > This is still pretty buggy for me : ( > > I added a new link to my home folder at the root of the menu and > > gnome-panel locked up and needed a killall. I then added a new > > directory and the nautilus window that was at applications:// froze up > > : ( > > > > Jim Drabb > > Hmm, I just tried to "edit launcher" from the right click menu and > nautilus sucked up 99.x% of my cpu. I had to ctrl+alt+f1 to console and > kill it from top. I don't think this feature is ready yet : ) The reason we disable editable vfolder is exactly this. It's broken. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Alexander Larsson Red Hat, Inc alexl at redhat.com alla at lysator.liu.se He's a shy arachnophobic waffle chef on a search for his missing sister. She's a supernatural tomboy safe cracker with a song in her heart and a spring in her step. They fight crime! From seanc at tech-access.com Tue Oct 7 07:59:05 2003 From: seanc at tech-access.com (Sean Craig) Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 11:59:05 +0400 Subject: XCDRoast - cannot read image In-Reply-To: <1065511757.22938.60.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <3F815EFF.2060405@tech-access.com> <200310061316.40186.elwoo@videotron.ca> <1065511757.22938.60.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <3F827249.3070106@tech-access.com> Hi there Keep in mind here that the problem was occuring when I was trying to READ a disk and save to an image file, and here we are using readcd (part of the cdrecord package). I haven't tried a burn yet. Sean Craig Alexander Larsson wrote: >On Mon, 2003-10-06 at 19:16, Elton Woo wrote: > > >>On October 6, 2003 08:24 am, Sean Craig > >>wrote: >> >> >>>If I kill the magicdev process, then XCDRoast can read the disk and >>>save to image just fine. >>> >>>any explanations? >>> >>> >>Magicdev is polling the CD device. You usually have to kill it, in order >>to run any burner *other than* the nautilus burner. >> >> > >This is strange. nautilus-cd-burner just uses cdrecord, and I though we >patched cdrecord to lock the cd device. > >=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > Alexander Larsson Red Hat, Inc > alexl at redhat.com alla at lysator.liu.se >He's a scrappy ninja rock star with a secret. She's a ditzy insomniac >schoolgirl living homeless in New York's sewers. They fight crime! > > >-- >fedora-test-list mailing list >fedora-test-list at redhat.com >http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > From mingo at redhat.com Tue Oct 7 08:03:34 2003 From: mingo at redhat.com (Ingo Molnar) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 04:03:34 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Alsa probs? In-Reply-To: <200310052136.09101.fedora@warmcat.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 5 Oct 2003, Andy Green wrote: > I didn't try this because after up2date-ing earlier thisevening, > alsamixer now works fine despite: > > $ cat /proc/sys/kernel/exec-shield > 1 > > xmms alsa9 output continues to work okay too, well done whoever fixed > it. did you upgrade the kernel and glibc too? Both include important fixes that can result in exec-shield being incorrectly enabled for certain apps. Ingo From seanc at tech-access.com Tue Oct 7 08:09:37 2003 From: seanc at tech-access.com (Sean Craig) Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 12:09:37 +0400 Subject: XCDRoast - cannot read image In-Reply-To: <3F827249.3070106@tech-access.com> References: <3F815EFF.2060405@tech-access.com> <200310061316.40186.elwoo@videotron.ca> <1065511757.22938.60.camel@localhost.localdomain> <3F827249.3070106@tech-access.com> Message-ID: <3F8274C1.4060706@tech-access.com> Hi Trying in the console [root at localhost /data]# /usr/bin/readcd dev=0,0,0 Error trying to open /dev/scd0 exclusively ... retrying in 1 second. (never times out) Sean Craig Sean Craig wrote: > Hi there > > Keep in mind here that the problem was occuring when I was trying to > READ a disk and save to an image file, and here we are using readcd > (part of the cdrecord package). > > I haven't tried a burn yet. > > Sean Craig > > > Alexander Larsson wrote: > >> On Mon, 2003-10-06 at 19:16, Elton Woo wrote: >> >>> On October 6, 2003 08:24 am, Sean Craig >> > wrote: >>> >>> >>>> If I kill the magicdev process, then XCDRoast can read the disk and >>>> save to image just fine. >>>> >>>> any explanations? >>> >>> Magicdev is polling the CD device. You usually have to kill it, in >>> order >>> to run any burner *other than* the nautilus burner. >> >> This is strange. nautilus-cd-burner just uses cdrecord, and I though we >> patched cdrecord to lock the cd device. > From seanc at tech-access.com Tue Oct 7 08:14:10 2003 From: seanc at tech-access.com (Sean Craig) Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 12:14:10 +0400 Subject: Middle Click errors In-Reply-To: <3F8178E2.3060503@lopht.net> References: <3F81336B.70607@tech-access.com> <3F8178E2.3060503@lopht.net> Message-ID: <3F8275D2.40604@tech-access.com> Hi I'm probably just too damn lazy to move one finger a half-inch. I do a lot of work with left and right buttons, so it's actually much easier (for me) to just press them together than move to another button. (That's the actual reason.....) BTW, I have selected the correct mouse type in my mouse setup ;-) regards Sean Craig Justin Georgeson wrote: > Sean Craig wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> I am using a Logitech USB Wheel mouse with "Emulate 3 buttons" >> enabled. I use this to highlight text then middle-click to paste. > > Why do you have emulate 3 buttons set? The wheel represents 3 buttons > to X by itself: click (3); scroll up (4); and scroll down (5). What > type of mouse to select in the configuration? > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From traxtopel at fastmail.fm Tue Oct 7 08:16:03 2003 From: traxtopel at fastmail.fm (traxtopel) Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 10:16:03 +0200 Subject: dutch keyboard support Message-ID: <1065514558.6761.18.camel@dyn-9-142-20-60.ams.nl.ibm.com> fedora list, in the 7.x series for 1 or 2 release's anyway, redhat included dutch keyboard support (NL). Is there anyway this can be added again. I can supply the keymap and X has NL keyboard support, where can I send it to? -- traxtopel From sjoerd at acm.org Tue Oct 7 08:28:53 2003 From: sjoerd at acm.org (Sjoerd Mullender) Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 10:28:53 +0200 Subject: severin login failure after updating today In-Reply-To: <1065489757.5562.0.camel@keelie.tampabay.rr.com> References: <1065202028.4943.7.camel@gstpc.earthlink.net> <200310032226.11076.elwoo@videotron.ca> <3F7E33F9.2070803@cfl.rr.com> <1065454741.25324.168.camel@tbird> <1065489757.5562.0.camel@keelie.tampabay.rr.com> Message-ID: <3F827945.6040201@acm.org> James Drabb wrote: > On Mon, 2003-10-06 at 11:39, Marcus White wrote: > >>Dowgrading gdm to version 2.4.4.0-2, per suggestion by Sjoerd Mullender, >>corrected the problem. The latest round of updates did not correct the >>problem, which included kernel 2.4.22-1.2087.nptl. > > > Does anyone know where to find an earlier version of gdm? Or should I > just grab the sources? You should be able to find it in your original Fedora installation medium, or else on any Fedora (severn) mirror. -- Sjoerd Mullender From craig at postnewspapers.com.au Tue Oct 7 09:00:09 2003 From: craig at postnewspapers.com.au (Craig Ringer) Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 17:00:09 +0800 Subject: Fedora Legacy List launched In-Reply-To: <7AD15046-F874-11D7-B878-000393D35C04@j2solutions.net> References: <7AD15046-F874-11D7-B878-000393D35C04@j2solutions.net> Message-ID: <3F828099.4080400@postnewspapers.com.au> > Was I helpful? Let others know: > http://svcs.affero.net/rm.php?r=jkeating From there, you list peerprojects.org as one of the beneficiaries of any affero.net donation. Unfortunately, they no longer seem resident at the specified website: $ dig http://peerprojects.org ; <<>> DiG 9.2.1 <<>> http://peerprojects.org ;; global options: printcmd ;; Got answer: ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NXDOMAIN, id: 29000 ;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 0, AUTHORITY: 1, ADDITIONAL: 0 ;; QUESTION SECTION: ;http://peerprojects.org. IN A [snip] Just thought I'd drop you a note in case it's any use. Craig Ringer From craig at postnewspapers.com.au Tue Oct 7 09:13:20 2003 From: craig at postnewspapers.com.au (Craig Ringer) Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 17:13:20 +0800 Subject: Fedora Legacy List launched In-Reply-To: <3F828099.4080400@postnewspapers.com.au> References: <7AD15046-F874-11D7-B878-000393D35C04@j2solutions.net> <3F828099.4080400@postnewspapers.com.au> Message-ID: <3F8283B0.6000407@postnewspapers.com.au> Craig Ringer wrote: >> Was I helpful? Let others know: >> http://svcs.affero.net/rm.php?r=jkeating > > Just thought I'd drop you a note in case it's any use. Sorry, was supposed to go off-list. I've been spending too much time on lists which default to reply-to-sender. Craig Ringer From 1midniterider at comcast.net Tue Oct 7 09:24:42 2003 From: 1midniterider at comcast.net (Marcus White) Date: 07 Oct 2003 05:24:42 -0400 Subject: Prelink maxing out CPU Message-ID: <1065518682.10422.37.camel@tbird> G'day, This morning noticed that my test laptop, Compaq Armada M700 w/128 Mb and 400Mhz CPU, was running sluggish (even more so that is). The only open app, other than normal system apps and KDE, was "ooimpress". The "prelink" program was utilizing about 90% of the CPU. Closing "ooimpress" did not correct the usage. Is this a normal occurance? -- Marcus White <1midniterider at comcast.net> From alastair at linuxexperience.com Tue Oct 7 09:25:28 2003 From: alastair at linuxexperience.com (Alastair Porter) Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 22:25:28 +1300 Subject: Alsa probs? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1065518727.3047.10.camel@Eccles> On Mon, 2003-10-06 at 04:38, Ingo Molnar wrote: > > Turning off exec-shield fixes this. > > does it work if you do 'setarch i386 alsamixer'? Yeah, that works fine (alsamixer and xmms-alsa) Alastair -- (o< - A l a s t a i r P o r t e r //\ V_/_ alastair at linuxexperience.com From seyman at wanadoo.fr Tue Oct 7 09:33:54 2003 From: seyman at wanadoo.fr (Emmanuel Seyman) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 11:33:54 +0200 Subject: How to setup DMA on my CD-RW? In-Reply-To: <200310070028.16722.hoyt@cavtel.net> References: <1065479567.4495.0.camel@techbyte.com.br> <20031007000135.GA11897@orient.maison> <200310070028.16722.hoyt@cavtel.net> Message-ID: <20031007093354.GA12532@orient.maison> On Tue, Oct 07, 2003 at 12:28:16AM -0400, HoytDuff wrote: [ about putting drive parameters in /etc/sysconfig/harddisk ] > I have always wondered where this is actually documented . . . FWIW, my answer was a cut-n-paste of the release notes of RHL 8 . Emmanuel From jakub at redhat.com Tue Oct 7 09:38:56 2003 From: jakub at redhat.com (Jakub Jelinek) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 05:38:56 -0400 Subject: Prelink maxing out CPU In-Reply-To: <1065518682.10422.37.camel@tbird>; from 1midniterider@comcast.net on Tue, Oct 07, 2003 at 05:24:42AM -0400 References: <1065518682.10422.37.camel@tbird> Message-ID: <20031007053856.E26086@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Tue, Oct 07, 2003 at 05:24:42AM -0400, Marcus White wrote: > G'day, > > This morning noticed that my test laptop, Compaq Armada M700 w/128 Mb > and 400Mhz CPU, was running sluggish (even more so that is). The only > open app, other than normal system apps and KDE, was "ooimpress". The > "prelink" program was utilizing about 90% of the CPU. Closing For how long? Utilizing 90% of the CPU is nothing bad, as long as it finishes in sane amount of time. The amount of work prelink does depends on how many packages you've upgraded since last prelinking (on 24hrs running boxes this is done nightly) and how many packages depend on them. prelink is run reniced to +19, so scheduler should give preference to other programs. Your problem is probably that you have very small amount of memory and are trying to run memory hog (ooimpress) at the same time with prelinking, so they compete for memory. Jakub From mingo at redhat.com Tue Oct 7 09:41:01 2003 From: mingo at redhat.com (Ingo Molnar) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 05:41:01 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Prelink maxing out CPU In-Reply-To: <1065518682.10422.37.camel@tbird> Message-ID: On 7 Oct 2003, Marcus White wrote: > This morning noticed that my test laptop, Compaq Armada M700 w/128 Mb > and 400Mhz CPU, was running sluggish (even more so that is). The only > open app, other than normal system apps and KDE, was "ooimpress". The > "prelink" program was utilizing about 90% of the CPU. Closing > "ooimpress" did not correct the usage. Is this a normal occurance? what is the precise kernel you are using? (uname -a) Ingo From 1midniterider at comcast.net Tue Oct 7 10:17:35 2003 From: 1midniterider at comcast.net (Marcus White) Date: 07 Oct 2003 06:17:35 -0400 Subject: Keyboard and Mouse Problem Message-ID: <1065521855.10422.49.camel@tbird> G'day, On my test laptop, a Compaq Armada M700 w/ 128 Mb and 400 Mhz CPU, every time the GUI starts the scroll/caps/num lock lights flash for about a minute or two before the GUI is displayed. This occurs whether starting the GUI from "init 5" with gdm or kdm or from "init 3" using startx. Occasionally the after it starts the mouse is not responsive. Is this a known problem? The latest patches as 10/06 have been applied. -- Marcus White <1midniterider at comcast.net> From redhat-jc at insight.rr.com Tue Oct 7 11:17:27 2003 From: redhat-jc at insight.rr.com (Jim Cornette) Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 07:17:27 -0400 Subject: mozilla 1.4 In-Reply-To: <3F8191F6.8020202@redhat.com> References: <200310031810.h93IAxK02597@garfield.bwh.harvard.edu> <3F7E35F2.8090103@insight.rr.com> <3F8191F6.8020202@redhat.com> Message-ID: <3F82A0C7.3080009@insight.rr.com> Christopher Blizzard wrote: > Jim Cornette wrote: > >> Does anyone know if moz will be getting a spell checking feature in >> the near future? > > > Mozilla 1.4.1 includes the spell checker. It's in the most recent > updates now. > > --Chris > That is probably why it was so easy to install then. (Already there). It was missing for so long, I missed it's entrance. It works great! Jim -- A clever prophet makes sure of the event first. From tvinhas at techbyte.com.br Tue Oct 7 12:28:44 2003 From: tvinhas at techbyte.com.br (Thiago Vinhas de Moraes) Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 09:28:44 -0300 Subject: Prelink maxing out CPU In-Reply-To: <20031007053856.E26086@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <1065518682.10422.37.camel@tbird> <20031007053856.E26086@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1065529724.7283.1.camel@techbyte.com.br> Em Ter, 2003-10-07 ?s 06:38, Jakub Jelinek escreveu: > For how long? Utilizing 90% of the CPU is nothing bad, as long as it > finishes in sane amount of time. The amount of work prelink does depends > on how many packages you've upgraded since last prelinking (on 24hrs > running boxes this is done nightly) and how many packages depend on them. If I turn my computer off everyday at 6:00 pm, what's the prelink behavior? Will it run when I turn the computer on at 8:00 am the next day? Regards, Thiago -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shrek-m at gmx.de Tue Oct 7 12:31:21 2003 From: shrek-m at gmx.de (shrek-m at gmx.de) Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 14:31:21 +0200 Subject: How to setup DMA on my CD-RW? In-Reply-To: <20031007025429.21677fc7.kai.thomsen@gmx.de> References: <1065479567.4495.0.camel@techbyte.com.br> <20031007000135.GA11897@orient.maison> <1065485259.4495.3.camel@techbyte.com.br> <20031007025429.21677fc7.kai.thomsen@gmx.de> Message-ID: <3F82B219.6090807@gmx.de> Kai Thomsen wrote: >On Mon, 06 Oct 2003 21:07:41 -0300, Thiago Vinhas de Moraes wrote: > > > >>At least on Fedora beta2, there is only the /etc/sysconfig/harddisks >>file. >> afaik per default you will find only /etc/sysconfig/harddisks since rhl 7.x ? >This is documented in /etc/rc.d/rc.sysinit: > > and here $ rpm -qf /etc/rc.sysinit initscripts- $ vi /usr/share/doc/initscripts-*/sysconfig.txt -- shrek-m From fedora at warmcat.com Tue Oct 7 12:51:48 2003 From: fedora at warmcat.com (Andy Green) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 13:51:48 +0100 Subject: Alsa probs? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200310071351.49096.fedora@warmcat.com> On Tuesday 07 October 2003 09:03, Ingo Molnar wrote: > On Sun, 5 Oct 2003, Andy Green wrote: > > xmms alsa9 output continues to work okay too, well done whoever > > fixed it. > > did you upgrade the kernel and glibc too? Both include important > fixes that can result in exec-shield being incorrectly enabled for > certain apps. Yes, I updated everything in sight... kernel-source and gdm were held back by default so I left them held back (reasons: "Pkg name/pattern" and "Config modified" respectively) Kernel is 2.4.22-1.2061.nptl at the moment. -Andy From rpjday at mindspring.com Tue Oct 7 13:20:43 2003 From: rpjday at mindspring.com (Robert P. J. Day) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 09:20:43 -0400 (EDT) Subject: strange behaviour from "file -z" Message-ID: a nitpicky observation, but "file -z" seems to have problems with certain compressed files. if i "compress" a short text file, i can run "file -z fred.Z", and it will tell me that it's an ASCII text, compressed data 16 bits file. so far, so good. but if i capture the output of a command with something like $ ls -l /usr/bin | compress > lsz then running "file -z lsz" just sits there. can anyone explain this? is anyone else even seeing this? rday From mbrodeur+rhlp at NextTime.com Tue Oct 7 13:46:39 2003 From: mbrodeur+rhlp at NextTime.com (Matt Brodeur) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 09:46:39 -0400 Subject: Prelink maxing out CPU In-Reply-To: <1065529724.7283.1.camel@techbyte.com.br> References: <1065518682.10422.37.camel@tbird> <20031007053856.E26086@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1065529724.7283.1.camel@techbyte.com.br> Message-ID: <20031007134639.GA7717@perhaps.nexttime.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: msg.pgp URL: From hoyt at cavtel.net Tue Oct 7 13:57:26 2003 From: hoyt at cavtel.net (HoytDuff) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 09:57:26 -0400 Subject: How to setup DMA on my CD-RW? In-Reply-To: <20031007093354.GA12532@orient.maison> References: <1065479567.4495.0.camel@techbyte.com.br> <200310070028.16722.hoyt@cavtel.net> <20031007093354.GA12532@orient.maison> Message-ID: <200310070957.26250.hoyt@cavtel.net> On Tuesday 07 October 2003 05:33 am, Emmanuel Seyman wrote: > [ about putting drive parameters in /etc/sysconfig/harddisk ] > > > I have always wondered where this is actually documented . . . > > FWIW, my answer was a cut-n-paste of the release notes of RHL 8 . I don't consider that "real" documentation for the use of that feature; that's more like a start/stop switch label on an appliance than useful documentation. 8) Where are the release note writers getting their info? -- Hoyt From hoyt at cavtel.net Tue Oct 7 14:04:24 2003 From: hoyt at cavtel.net (HoytDuff) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 10:04:24 -0400 Subject: strange behaviour from "file -z" In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200310071004.24506.hoyt@cavtel.net> On Tuesday 07 October 2003 09:20 am, Robert P. J. Day wrote: > then running "file -z lsz" just sits there. can anyone explain > this? is anyone else even seeing this? Doesn't file use magic numbers? How do the two files compare in that regard? Also, try running the command with strace to see where it chokes. -- Hoyt From paul at frields.com Tue Oct 7 14:06:23 2003 From: paul at frields.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: 07 Oct 2003 10:06:23 -0400 Subject: How to setup DMA on my CD-RW? In-Reply-To: <200310070957.26250.hoyt@cavtel.net> References: <1065479567.4495.0.camel@techbyte.com.br> <200310070028.16722.hoyt@cavtel.net> <20031007093354.GA12532@orient.maison> <200310070957.26250.hoyt@cavtel.net> Message-ID: <1065535583.14728.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2003-10-07 at 09:57, HoytDuff wrote: > > > I have always wondered where this is actually documented . . . > > > > FWIW, my answer was a cut-n-paste of the release notes of RHL 8 . > > I don't consider that "real" documentation for the use of that feature; that's > more like a start/stop switch label on an appliance than useful > documentation. 8) > > Where are the release note writers getting their info? I think someone may have already mentioned this, but the settings are mentioned in here: /usr/share/doc/initscripts-*/sysconfig.txt Also, reading /etc/rc.sysinit will show you where the file is sourced and used to execute hdparm, which would also naturally lead to the hdparm man page. Once again, the kernel present in Fedora 0.94 will autosense a lot of this stuff (more so than even RHL 9), so that you needn't worry about /etc/sysconfig/harddisk* in most general-usage cases. HTH. -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE From d_bradsh at bellsouth.net Tue Oct 7 14:12:29 2003 From: d_bradsh at bellsouth.net (d_bradsh at bellsouth.net) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 10:12:29 -0400 Subject: mouse quit Message-ID: <20031007141229.EIPX802.imf17aec.mail.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net> on first boot after install my mouse quit working. However at the login screen it worked again..... From rpjday at mindspring.com Tue Oct 7 14:46:19 2003 From: rpjday at mindspring.com (Robert P. J. Day) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 10:46:19 -0400 (EDT) Subject: strange behaviour from "file -z" In-Reply-To: <200310071004.24506.hoyt@cavtel.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 7 Oct 2003, HoytDuff wrote: > On Tuesday 07 October 2003 09:20 am, Robert P. J. Day wrote: > > then running "file -z lsz" just sits there. can anyone explain > > this? is anyone else even seeing this? > > Doesn't file use magic numbers? How do the two files compare in that regard? > > Also, try running the command with strace to see where it chokes. i'll give that a shot, but it is definitely strange that the file "lsz" appears to be a perfectly respectable compressed file. it's just the "file" command that appears to have trouble with it. rday From jbj at redhat.com Tue Oct 7 15:19:32 2003 From: jbj at redhat.com (Jeff Johnson) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 11:19:32 -0400 Subject: strange behaviour from "file -z" In-Reply-To: ; from rpjday@mindspring.com on Tue, Oct 07, 2003 at 09:20:43AM -0400 References: Message-ID: <20031007111932.I13394@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Tue, Oct 07, 2003 at 09:20:43AM -0400, Robert P. J. Day wrote: > > a nitpicky observation, but "file -z" seems to have problems > with certain compressed files. > > if i "compress" a short text file, i can run "file -z fred.Z", > and it will tell me that it's an ASCII text, compressed data 16 > bits file. so far, so good. > > but if i capture the output of a command with something like > > $ ls -l /usr/bin | compress > lsz > > then running "file -z lsz" just sits there. can anyone explain > this? is anyone else even seeing this? > Someone else reported this on irc. Dunno, that problem appeared to be local mis-compilation of file exec'ing gzip and missing SIGCHLD if file was short. Bugzilla with reproducer please. 73 de Jeff -- Jeff Johnson ARS N3NPQ jbj at redhat.com (jbj at jbj.org) Chapel Hill, NC From nathan.trimble at pnl.gov Tue Oct 7 15:18:13 2003 From: nathan.trimble at pnl.gov (Trimble, Nathan G) Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 08:18:13 -0700 Subject: mouse quit Message-ID: I had the same problem with a MS Optical Wheel Mouse. I works great under all conditions except 'firstboot'. I'm using the generic wheel mouse driver I've always used. The mouse also works fine under RH9. Nate -----Original Message----- From: d_bradsh at bellsouth.net [mailto:d_bradsh at bellsouth.net] Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 7:12 AM To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com Subject: mouse quit on first boot after install my mouse quit working. However at the login screen it worked again..... -- fedora-test-list mailing list fedora-test-list at redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From seyman at wanadoo.fr Tue Oct 7 15:32:06 2003 From: seyman at wanadoo.fr (Emmanuel Seyman) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 17:32:06 +0200 Subject: How to setup DMA on my CD-RW? In-Reply-To: <200310070957.26250.hoyt@cavtel.net> References: <1065479567.4495.0.camel@techbyte.com.br> <200310070028.16722.hoyt@cavtel.net> <20031007093354.GA12532@orient.maison> <200310070957.26250.hoyt@cavtel.net> Message-ID: <20031007153206.GA13195@orient.maison> On Tue, Oct 07, 2003 at 09:57:26AM -0400, HoytDuff wrote: > > I don't consider that "real" documentation for the use of that feature; > that's more like a start/stop switch label on an appliance than useful > documentation. 8) Welcome to Red Hat Linux, an operating system made up of 1400 differents parts with no standard way of documenting changes. There are man pages, info pages, files in /usr/share/doc in a gazillion number of formats, releases notes, changelogs, todos, etc. None of this, I consider to be "real" documentaion (whatever that is). > Where are the release note writers getting their info? I've wondered about this myself, on occasion. Emmanuel From elwoo at videotron.ca Tue Oct 7 16:00:56 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 12:00:56 -0400 Subject: att: MICHAEL SCHWENDT (re: compile of k3b) Message-ID: <200310071200.56270.elwoo@videotron.ca> Kindly contace me off-list. I've been trying to send you the log of the (failed) k3b compile, but kmail kept crashing yesterday. I know that I'm supposed to remove the "nospam" from your email address, but I _don't_ know if I must leave in the two, or just one dash ... so my message to you keeps being bounced back. The build.log is 504.3k, too large to even post it here to the list... Elton. -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From elwoo at videotron.ca Tue Oct 7 16:07:38 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 12:07:38 -0400 Subject: XCDRoast - cannot read image In-Reply-To: <1065511757.22938.60.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <3F815EFF.2060405@tech-access.com> <200310061316.40186.elwoo@videotron.ca> <1065511757.22938.60.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <200310071207.38527.elwoo@videotron.ca> On October 7, 2003 03:29 am, Alexander Larsson > wrote: > On Mon, 2003-10-06 at 19:16, Elton Woo wrote: > > On October 6, 2003 08:24 am, Sean Craig > > > > > > wrote: > > > If I kill the magicdev process, then XCDRoast can read the disk and > > > save to image just fine. > > > > > > any explanations? > > > > Magicdev is polling the CD device. You usually have to kill it, in order > > to run any burner *other than* the nautilus burner. > > This is strange. nautilus-cd-burner just uses cdrecord, and I though we > patched cdrecord to lock the cd device. It still looks like magicdev is "interfering"... yesterday, I copied an audio CD (as a test), and though I closed nautilus record, I didn't kill off magicdev. X-CD-Roast completed the burn, but complained of "errors". Nevertheless, the tracks on the 'new' CD play without any problems. Elton. -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From edwardam at interlix.com Tue Oct 7 16:10:33 2003 From: edwardam at interlix.com (Edward Muller) Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 11:10:33 -0500 Subject: Unable to edit applications menu in Gnome In-Reply-To: <1065512086.22938.62.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <3F81DAFA.4010601@zonnet.nl> <1065491159.5828.1.camel@keelie.tampabay.rr.com> <1065491368.5828.4.camel@keelie.tampabay.rr.com> <1065512086.22938.62.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1065543033.8112.22.camel@palin> What is the proper way to edit the gnome menus in Fedora? On Tue, 2003-10-07 at 02:34, Alexander Larsson wrote: > On Tue, 2003-10-07 at 03:49, James Drabb wrote: > > On Mon, 2003-10-06 at 21:46, James Drabb wrote: > > > On Mon, 2003-10-06 at 17:13, Jaap A. Haitsma wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > With the standard Fedora install it's not possible to edit Applications > > > > Menu. I found on the internet how to do it. They consider it as a "bug" > > > > in RH 9.0, which is still present in Fedora. > > > > > > > > http://www.wse.jhu.edu/newtnotes/main_file.php/sysadmin/55 > > > > > > > > Is there any reason to make the menu not editable?? > > > > > > > > I would prefer to have the menu editable and preferably an icon in the > > > > menu, which opens nautilus at applications:/// > > > > > > > > Jaap > > > > > > This is still pretty buggy for me : ( > > > I added a new link to my home folder at the root of the menu and > > > gnome-panel locked up and needed a killall. I then added a new > > > directory and the nautilus window that was at applications:// froze up > > > : ( > > > > > > Jim Drabb > > > > Hmm, I just tried to "edit launcher" from the right click menu and > > nautilus sucked up 99.x% of my cpu. I had to ctrl+alt+f1 to console and > > kill it from top. I don't think this feature is ready yet : ) > > The reason we disable editable vfolder is exactly this. It's broken. > > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > Alexander Larsson Red Hat, Inc > alexl at redhat.com alla at lysator.liu.se > He's a shy arachnophobic waffle chef on a search for his missing sister. She's > a supernatural tomboy safe cracker with a song in her heart and a spring in > her step. They fight crime! > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list -- Edward Muller - http://www.interlix.com - "Open Source Specialists" Dedicated Zope Hosting - Web Hosting - Open Source Consulting Network & PC Service & Support - Custom Programming Phone: 417-862-0573 - Cell: 417-844-2435 - Fax: 417-862-0572 Jabber: edwardam at jabber.interlix.com - AIM: edwardam453 - ICQ: 287033 From elwoo at videotron.ca Tue Oct 7 16:10:32 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 12:10:32 -0400 Subject: How to setup DMA on my CD-RW? In-Reply-To: <20031007153206.GA13195@orient.maison> References: <1065479567.4495.0.camel@techbyte.com.br> <200310070957.26250.hoyt@cavtel.net> <20031007153206.GA13195@orient.maison> Message-ID: <200310071210.32970.elwoo@videotron.ca> On October 7, 2003 11:32 am, Emmanuel Seyman > wrote: > Welcome to Red Hat Linux, an operating system made up of 1400 differents > parts with no standard way of documenting changes. > There are man pages, info pages, files in /usr/share/doc in a gazillion Perhaps you ought to peruse this page: http://fedora.redhat.com/projects/docs/ Elton ;-) -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From elwoo at videotron.ca Tue Oct 7 16:13:54 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 12:13:54 -0400 Subject: XCDRoast - cannot read image In-Reply-To: <3F8274C1.4060706@tech-access.com> References: <3F815EFF.2060405@tech-access.com> <3F827249.3070106@tech-access.com> <3F8274C1.4060706@tech-access.com> Message-ID: <200310071213.54877.elwoo@videotron.ca> On October 7, 2003 04:09 am, Sean Craig > wrote: > Hi > > Trying in the console > > [root at localhost /data]# /usr/bin/readcd dev=0,0,0 > Error trying to open /dev/scd0 exclusively ... retrying in 1 second. > (never times out) Kill magicdev. It seems cdrecord *isn't* getting an exclusive hold of the device... Elton. -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From shrek-m at gmx.de Tue Oct 7 16:33:49 2003 From: shrek-m at gmx.de (shrek-m at gmx.de) Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 18:33:49 +0200 Subject: How to setup DMA on my CD-RW? In-Reply-To: <20031007153206.GA13195@orient.maison> References: <1065479567.4495.0.camel@techbyte.com.br> <200310070028.16722.hoyt@cavtel.net> <20031007093354.GA12532@orient.maison> <200310070957.26250.hoyt@cavtel.net> <20031007153206.GA13195@orient.maison> Message-ID: <3F82EAED.4010003@gmx.de> Emmanuel Seyman wrote: >Welcome to Red Hat Linux, > do you mean especially redhat or debian, suse, gentoo, yelowdog, ... freebsd, openbsd, ... http://www.distrowatch.com/ > an operating system made up of 1400 differents >parts > http://sourceforge.net/ http://freshmeat.net/ http://www.rpmfind.net/ ... > with no standard way of documenting changes. >There are man pages, info pages, files in /usr/share/doc in a gazillion >number of formats, releases notes, changelogs, todos, etc. None of this, >I consider to be "real" documentaion (whatever that is). > > mostly i can find/get the info i need in a shorter time than eg. in ms-help no standard way ? gazillion number of formats ? can you explain what do you mean ? rpm -qd rpm -ql rpm -qi ... $ vi /etc//.conf $ vi /usr/share/docs//*.txt $ lynx /usr/share/docs//index.html $ ls /usr/share/man/ $ man $ man .conf $ man -k whatyousearch $ apropos whatyousearch ... $ vi /home/comp//* http://www.google.de/linux http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo http://www.redhat.com/apps/support/resources/ http://www.tldp.org/ http://www.linux.org/groups/ ... where is your problem ?? -- shrek-m From jwendel at fnmoc.navy.mil Tue Oct 7 16:41:11 2003 From: jwendel at fnmoc.navy.mil (John Wendel) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 09:41:11 -0700 Subject: How to setup DMA on my CD-RW? In-Reply-To: <1065487873.2940.6.camel@bettie.internal.frields.org> References: <1065479567.4495.0.camel@techbyte.com.br> <20031007000135.GA11897@orient.maison> <1065485259.4495.3.camel@techbyte.com.br> <1065487873.2940.6.camel@bettie.internal.frields.org> Message-ID: <20031007094111.76b8f7de.jwendel@fnmoc.navy.mil> > On Mon, 2003-10-06 at 20:07, Thiago Vinhas de Moraes wrote: > > > > Does anyone how to do it? You've seen the answers on how to do it. Now a little warning; the kernel doesn't do it automatically because it breaks on many (most ?) systems. It doesn't work here. I understand it's fixed in 2.6. Regards, -- John Wendel From aoliva at redhat.com Tue Oct 7 16:51:33 2003 From: aoliva at redhat.com (Alexandre Oliva) Date: 07 Oct 2003 13:51:33 -0300 Subject: Up2date from rawhide on severn2 In-Reply-To: <003e01c38c95$f152b150$34021eac@icontrolinc.com> References: <003e01c38c95$f152b150$34021eac@icontrolinc.com> Message-ID: On Oct 7, 2003, "Mark Howell" wrote: >> I dont *think* I had this problem in beta1 I did, but I forgot to file it. I filed it for test2 the other day. > If you don't see this in bugzilla and no one follows up saying "not a bug" > then by all means file it. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=106106 -- Alexandre Oliva Enjoy Guarana', see http://www.ic.unicamp.br/~oliva/ Red Hat GCC Developer aoliva@{redhat.com, gcc.gnu.org} CS PhD student at IC-Unicamp oliva@{lsd.ic.unicamp.br, gnu.org} Free Software Evangelist Professional serial bug killer From nbecker at hns.com Tue Oct 7 16:58:11 2003 From: nbecker at hns.com (Neal D. Becker) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 12:58:11 -0400 Subject: gdb-6.0 released! Message-ID: <200310071258.11770.nbecker@hns.com> subject says it all From mark at mitre.org Tue Oct 7 17:00:43 2003 From: mark at mitre.org (Mark Heslep) Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 13:00:43 -0400 Subject: redhat-config-xfree86-0.9.9-2 Traceback on a dual head ATI In-Reply-To: <200310071200.56270.elwoo@videotron.ca> References: <200310071200.56270.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <3F82F13B.7090702@mitre.org> Latest redhat-config-xfree86 w/ the dual head code tracebacks on a dual head ATI FireGL X1. Displays: NEC LCD 1860NX, Dell P991. I have X working manually with the stock 'radeon' driver but only single head so far; ATI's fglrx drivers do the job for dual head though w/ no Xinerama - a deal breaker. Yes the fglrx package is removed and lib-Mesa reinstalled for these results: $ rpm -q redhat-config-xfree86 redhat-config-xfree86-0.9.9-2 $ /sbin/lspci ... 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon R300 NG [FireGL X1] (rev 80) 01:00.1 Display controller: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon R300 [FireGL X1] (Secondary) (rev 80) ... sudo redhat-config-xfree86 --reconfig Trying with card: ATI FireGL X1 Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/share/redhat-config-xfree86/xconf.py", line 406, in ? dialog = xConfigDialog.XConfigDialog(hardware_state, xconfig, vc) File "/usr/share/redhat-config-xfree86/xConfigDialog.py", line 397, in __init__ key, value = string.split(card.driver, ":") ValueError: unpack list of wrong size -Mark From mark at mitre.org Tue Oct 7 17:20:45 2003 From: mark at mitre.org (Mark Heslep) Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 13:20:45 -0400 Subject: redhat-config-xfree86-0.9.9-2 Traceback on a dual head ATI Message-ID: <3F82F5ED.8020507@mitre.org> Latest redhat-config-xfree86 w/ the dual head code tracebacks on a dual head ATI FireGL X1. Displays: NEC LCD 1860NX, Dell P991. I have X working manually with the stock 'radeon' driver but only single head so far; ATI's fglrx drivers do the job for dual head though w/ no Xinerama - a deal breaker. Yes the fglrx package is removed and lib-Mesa reinstalled for these results: $ rpm -q redhat-config-xfree86 redhat-config-xfree86-0.9.9-2 $ /sbin/lspci ... 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon R300 NG [FireGL X1] (rev 80) 01:00.1 Display controller: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon R300 [FireGL X1] (Secondary) (rev 80) ... sudo redhat-config-xfree86 --reconfig Trying with card: ATI FireGL X1 Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/share/redhat-config-xfree86/xconf.py", line 406, in ? dialog = xConfigDialog.XConfigDialog(hardware_state, xconfig, vc) File "/usr/share/redhat-config-xfree86/xConfigDialog.py", line 397, in __init__ key, value = string.split(card.driver, ":") ValueError: unpack list of wrong size -Mark From pboy at barkhof.uni-bremen.de Tue Oct 7 17:35:28 2003 From: pboy at barkhof.uni-bremen.de (Peter Boy) Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 19:35:28 +0200 Subject: secure mode gnome session ?? Message-ID: <1065548128.5324.9.camel@ibmLaptop.athome.de> Hi, I justed installed test 2 (fresh install) on a IBM Laptop T40p and immediately updated via RHN. Each time when logging in as a normal user (and as root as well) I get a message box saying " secure mode gnome session, you will be logged in to the Gnome default session, no start scripts are executed, its purpose is problem solving" (rough translation from German). Never saw such a message before in Linux. Does someone know how to recover? Thanks Peter From j.sanchezf at terra.es Tue Oct 7 17:38:30 2003 From: j.sanchezf at terra.es (Julio Sanchez) Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 19:38:30 +0200 Subject: GDM crash -- new discovery? References: <3F8220D3.2040302@spiritone.com> <3F8225DF.5090707@speakeasy.net> Message-ID: On Mon, 06 Oct 2003 22:33:03 -0400, Robert L Cochran wrote: > I'm getting the failsafe session, too. Haven't switched themes like you. The failsafe version problem is because /etc/X11/gdm/Xsession does not exist. If you symlink the one at /etc/X11/xdm/Xsession there, the error goes away. Julio From mjc at avtechpulse.com Tue Oct 7 17:41:46 2003 From: mjc at avtechpulse.com (Dr. Michael J. Chudobiak) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 13:41:46 -0400 Subject: krb5 errors Message-ID: <7A13F645CE428E44B77F7C20CEF9B3BB1CA32A@server1.domain.avtechpulse.com> Hi, ever since upgrading to Severn, I've been plagued with "krb5" errors, like this in my /var/log/httpd/error_log: PHP Warning: Unknown(): Unable to load dynamic library '/usr/lib/php4/imap.so' - /usr/lib/php4/imap.so: undefined symbol: krb5_kt_close in Unknown on line 0 PHP Warning: Unknown(): Unable to load dynamic library '/usr/lib/php4/pgsql.so' - /usr/lib/libpq.so.3: undefined symbol: krb5_cc_get_principal in Unknown on line 0 In the above case, it is messing up my Horde/IMP installation. Can anyone suggest a reason for these errors? I have all of the krb5* RPMs installed. - Mike From michael at epm2.com Tue Oct 7 17:44:52 2003 From: michael at epm2.com (Michael R Hatzel Jr) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 13:44:52 -0400 Subject: GRUB Failure after last Friday's update In-Reply-To: <20031007014703.19687.53733.Mailman@listman.back-rdu.redhat.com> Message-ID: >On Monday 06 October 2003 15:47, Michael R Hatzel Jr wrote: >> "Loading GRUB Stage2 . . ." message being sent to my printer over and >> over again. Any thoughts? > >It's actually sending this message to your printer? How is the printer >connected? Parallel? Yes, it was sending messages to my parallel printer. I eventually made it go away by booting off of my rescue floppy again and re-running grub-install. Now, all I get are cascading "Loading Stage2..." messages on every line. It happened to me once during Test1 after an update, and I solved it by re-installing fresh from the CD and then dropping into single user mode and running up2date. I'd like to avoid that if at all possible since it was a time consuming pain in the ass. Any thoughts? Mike From elwoo at videotron.ca Tue Oct 7 09:55:10 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 05:55:10 -0400 Subject: up2date: not very bright, is it? Message-ID: <200310070555.10830.elwoo@videotron.ca> I've just launched up2date to fetch stuff from the RHN beta channel. Usually, I just "select all" ... and wer'e off! However, I had to redo my selections because the "new" and "old" versions are the same. You'd think that if up2date found that if it found that both versions were the _same_ it would automatically skip the selected package(s) wouldn't /shouldn't it? ... or should I enter this as an RFE? Elton ;-) -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From daniel-wittenberg at starken.com Tue Oct 7 17:55:27 2003 From: daniel-wittenberg at starken.com (Daniel Wittenberg) Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 12:55:27 -0500 Subject: [FEDORA] krb5 errors In-Reply-To: <7A13F645CE428E44B77F7C20CEF9B3BB1CA32A@server1.domain.avtechpulse.com> References: <7A13F645CE428E44B77F7C20CEF9B3BB1CA32A@server1.domain.avtechpulse.com> Message-ID: <1065549327.1460.39.camel@localhost.localdomain> is /usr/kerberos/lib in /etc/ld.so.conf ? If not, add that, and run ldconfig Dan On Tue, 2003-10-07 at 12:41, Dr. Michael J. Chudobiak wrote: > Hi, > > ever since upgrading to Severn, I've been plagued with "krb5" errors, like this in my /var/log/httpd/error_log: > > PHP Warning: Unknown(): Unable to load dynamic library '/usr/lib/php4/imap.so' - /usr/lib/php4/imap.so: undefined symbol: krb5_kt_close in Unknown on line 0 > PHP Warning: Unknown(): Unable to load dynamic library '/usr/lib/php4/pgsql.so' - /usr/lib/libpq.so.3: undefined symbol: krb5_cc_get_principal in Unknown on line 0 > > In the above case, it is messing up my Horde/IMP installation. > > Can anyone suggest a reason for these errors? I have all of the krb5* RPMs installed. > > > - Mike > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list -- ============================= Daniel Wittenberg RHCE+AS/IBM Certified Specialist President/CTO The Starken Group http://www.starken.com From elwoo at videotron.ca Tue Oct 7 10:00:02 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 06:00:02 -0400 Subject: krb5 errors In-Reply-To: <7A13F645CE428E44B77F7C20CEF9B3BB1CA32A@server1.domain.avtechpulse.com> References: <7A13F645CE428E44B77F7C20CEF9B3BB1CA32A@server1.domain.avtechpulse.com> Message-ID: <200310070600.02556.elwoo@videotron.ca> On October 7, 2003 01:41 pm, Dr. Michael J. Chudobiak <"Dr. Michael J. Chudobiak" > wrote: > Hi, > > ever since upgrading to Severn, I've been plagued with "krb5" errors, like > this in my /var/log/httpd/error_log: > > PHP Warning: Unknown(): Unable to load dynamic library > '/usr/lib/php4/imap.so' - /usr/lib/php4/imap.so: undefined symbol: > krb5_kt_close in Unknown on line 0 PHP Warning: Unknown(): Unable to load > dynamic library '/usr/lib/php4/pgsql.so' - /usr/lib/libpq.so.3: undefined > symbol: krb5_cc_get_principal in Unknown on line 0 > > In the above case, it is messing up my Horde/IMP installation. > > Can anyone suggest a reason for these errors? I have all of the krb5* RPMs > installed. I had a problem compiling it. See this thread: http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/2003-October/msg00541.html Perhaps this might give you some ideas on what might be the problem.... HTH, Elton ;-) -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From erik.orebro at telia.com Tue Oct 7 18:08:14 2003 From: erik.orebro at telia.com (Erik Englund) Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 20:08:14 +0200 Subject: secure mode gnome session ?? In-Reply-To: <1065548128.5324.9.camel@ibmLaptop.athome.de> References: <1065548128.5324.9.camel@ibmLaptop.athome.de> Message-ID: <1065550093.3960.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2003-10-07 at 19:35, Peter Boy wrote: > Hi, > > I justed installed test 2 (fresh install) on a IBM Laptop T40p and > immediately updated via RHN. > > Each time when logging in as a normal user (and as root as well) I get a > message box saying " secure mode gnome session, you will be logged in to > the Gnome default session, no start scripts are executed, its purpose is > problem solving" (rough translation from German). > > Never saw such a message before in Linux. Does someone know how to > recover? > > Thanks > Peter > > > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list Download the latest gdm package (gdm-2.4.4.3-5) and reboot your computer and everything should work fine. From thleemhuis at htp-tel.de Tue Oct 7 18:08:59 2003 From: thleemhuis at htp-tel.de (Thorsten Leemhuis) Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 20:08:59 +0200 Subject: Supporting NTFS in the kernel In-Reply-To: <1065457640.26875.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <3F8014B9.5030601@zonnet.nl> <20031005135425.GD16491@redhat.com> <3F806743.300@htp-tel.de> <3F818EA9.4040406@rackable.com> <1065457640.26875.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1065550139.2725.1.camel@work.thl.home> Am Mon, den 06.10.2003 schrieb Marc Schwartz um 18:27: > On Mon, 2003-10-06 at 10:47, Samuel Flory wrote: > > Thorsten Leemhuis wrote: > > > Dave Jones wrote: > > > > > >> On Sun, Oct 05, 2003 at 02:55:21PM +0200, Jaap A. Haitsma wrote: > > >> > I would like it very much if the standard kernel would include the > > >> read > driver for NTFS > > >> > > >> Won't happen due to potential patent problems. > > > > > > > > > Would it be possible to add some parts of the linux-ntfs-ng driver (or > > > maybe code hooks) so that they, or somebody else, could provide rpm > > > packages for the new ntfs driver module? The linux-ntfs Project > > > currently provides only rpms for the *old* ntfs driver (AFAICS)? > > > > > > > > > What sort of hooks are needed? What is stopping someone from > > compiling and distributing a module in an rpm? > > > Has anyone attempted the instructions at the bottom of: > http://linux-ntfs.sourceforge.net/info/redhat.html > > "How was it done?" > > where there are some brief instructions and links for a script file and > a spec file to create the RPM. > > I have not yet had the time to work through it, but that seems like a > reasonable way to start. But this is for the old, not SMP aware, NTFS driver. For the new one a kernel recompile seems to be necessary AFAICS. Don't know if they need something special in the kernel or if they are to lazy to make a separate module compile possible on top of a kernel-source-tree as the one from redhat (with correct version/modversions/autoconf/...). Maybe someone with more know-how in the linux-kernel can answer... [...] Cu thl From mjc at avtechpulse.com Tue Oct 7 18:14:01 2003 From: mjc at avtechpulse.com (Dr. Michael J. Chudobiak) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 14:14:01 -0400 Subject: [FEDORA] krb5 errors Message-ID: <7A13F645CE428E44B77F7C20CEF9B3BB1CA32B@server1.domain.avtechpulse.com> Yes, it is there. Any other thoughts? - Mike > is /usr/kerberos/lib in /etc/ld.so.conf ? If not, add that, and run > ldconfig > > Dan > > On Tue, 2003-10-07 at 12:41, Dr. Michael J. Chudobiak wrote: > > Hi, > > > > ever since upgrading to Severn, I've been plagued with > "krb5" errors, like this in my /var/log/httpd/error_log: > > > > PHP Warning: Unknown(): Unable to load dynamic library > '/usr/lib/php4/imap.so' - /usr/lib/php4/imap.so: undefined > symbol: krb5_kt_close in Unknown on line 0 > > PHP Warning: Unknown(): Unable to load dynamic library > '/usr/lib/php4/pgsql.so' - /usr/lib/libpq.so.3: undefined > symbol: krb5_cc_get_principal in Unknown on line 0 > > > > In the above case, it is messing up my Horde/IMP installation. > > > > Can anyone suggest a reason for these errors? I have all of > the krb5* RPMs installed. > > > > > > - Mike > > > > > > -- > > fedora-test-list mailing list > > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > -- > ============================= > Daniel Wittenberg > RHCE+AS/IBM Certified Specialist > President/CTO > The Starken Group > http://www.starken.com > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > From thacker at math.cornell.edu Tue Oct 7 18:15:11 2003 From: thacker at math.cornell.edu (John Alexander Thacker) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 14:15:11 -0400 Subject: XCDRoast - cannot read image In-Reply-To: <200310071207.38527.elwoo@videotron.ca> References: <3F815EFF.2060405@tech-access.com> <200310061316.40186.elwoo@videotron.ca> <1065511757.22938.60.camel@localhost.localdomain> <200310071207.38527.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <20031007181511.GA25309@thacker.dyndns.org> On Tue, Oct 07, 2003 at 12:07:38PM -0400, Elton Woo wrote: > > X-CD-Roast completed the burn, but complained of "errors". Nevertheless, > the tracks on the 'new' CD play without any problems. The spurious complaints about errors problem is a known bug with X-CD-Roast. There's patches on the X-CD-Roast home page to fix the problem, but there hasn't been a new release incorporating the fix. It's safe to ignore the error. http://www.xcdroast.org/xcdr098/patches/ John Thacker From mjc at avtechpulse.com Tue Oct 7 18:16:42 2003 From: mjc at avtechpulse.com (Dr. Michael J. Chudobiak) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 14:16:42 -0400 Subject: krb5 errors Message-ID: <7A13F645CE428E44B77F7C20CEF9B3BB1CA32C@server1.domain.avtechpulse.com> Thanks, but I'm having trouble with krb (kerberos), not k3b... though k3b looks like a useful project! - Mike > > Can anyone suggest a reason for these errors? I have all of > the krb5* RPMs > > installed. > I had a problem compiling it. See this thread: > http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/2003-October/m sg00541.html Perhaps this might give you some ideas on what might be the problem.... HTH, Elton ;-) From alan at redhat.com Tue Oct 7 18:27:29 2003 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 14:27:29 -0400 (EDT) Subject: How to setup DMA on my CD-RW? In-Reply-To: <20031007153206.GA13195@orient.maison> from "Emmanuel Seyman" at Hyd 07, 2003 05:32:06 Message-ID: <200310071827.h97IRTi29231@devserv.devel.redhat.com> > Welcome to Red Hat Linux, an operating system made up of 1400 differents > parts with no standard way of documenting changes. rpm -q --changelong > There are man pages, info pages, files in /usr/share/doc in a gazillion > number of formats, releases notes, changelogs, todos, etc. None of this, > I consider to be "real" documentaion (whatever that is). No argument there. Organising the documentation formats of a large number of independant projects is a big job, and many use legacy formats. It can be done but it is a big project for which tools like scrollkeeper now exist as a beginning From felipe_alfaro at linuxmail.org Tue Oct 7 18:29:27 2003 From: felipe_alfaro at linuxmail.org (Felipe Alfaro Solana) Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 20:29:27 +0200 Subject: krb5 errors In-Reply-To: <7A13F645CE428E44B77F7C20CEF9B3BB1CA32A@server1.domain.avtechpulse.com> References: <7A13F645CE428E44B77F7C20CEF9B3BB1CA32A@server1.domain.avtechpulse.com> Message-ID: <1065551367.1398.1.camel@teapot.felipe-alfaro.com> On Tue, 2003-10-07 at 19:41, Dr. Michael J. Chudobiak wrote: > Hi, > > ever since upgrading to Severn, I've been plagued with "krb5" errors, like this in my /var/log/httpd/error_log: > > PHP Warning: Unknown(): Unable to load dynamic library '/usr/lib/php4/imap.so' - /usr/lib/php4/imap.so: undefined symbol: krb5_kt_close in Unknown on line 0 > PHP Warning: Unknown(): Unable to load dynamic library '/usr/lib/php4/pgsql.so' - /usr/lib/libpq.so.3: undefined symbol: krb5_cc_get_principal in Unknown on line 0 > > In the above case, it is messing up my Horde/IMP installation. > > Can anyone suggest a reason for these errors? I have all of the krb5* RPMs installed. I think it's related to changes in Kerberos5 1.3. It also seems to break Cyrus IMAPD which complains that the key table (keytab) file format is invalid. I solved my problems by downgrading to krb5 1.2.2 (the one from Red Hat Linux 9). From pboy at barkhof.uni-bremen.de Tue Oct 7 18:39:02 2003 From: pboy at barkhof.uni-bremen.de (Peter Boy) Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 20:39:02 +0200 Subject: todays update killed the german menues In-Reply-To: <1065390923.4123.26.camel@ibmLaptop> References: <1065390923.4123.26.camel@ibmLaptop> Message-ID: <1065551942.5595.1.camel@ibmLaptop.athome.de> Am So, den 05.10.2003 schrieb Peter Boy um 23:55: > Today I made a fresh install of Severn/Test 2 and selected German as the > system language. Then I made a update via RHN and all the menue entries > are English now. Is it a temporary feature in this period of beta or a > bug? O.K. I just update to the RHN version of today (Thuesday Oct. 7.) and the German menues are back again. Fine Peter From xose at wanadoo.es Tue Oct 7 18:41:46 2003 From: xose at wanadoo.es (Xose Vazquez Perez) Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 20:41:46 +0200 Subject: How to setup DMA on my CD-RW? References: <200310071827.h97IRTi29231@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <3F8308EA.4030704@wanadoo.es> Alan Cox wrote: >>Welcome to Red Hat Linux, an operating system made up of 1400 differents >>parts with no standard way of documenting changes. > > > rpm -q --changelong > > >>There are man pages, info pages, files in /usr/share/doc in a gazillion >>number of formats, releases notes, changelogs, todos, etc. None of this, >>I consider to be "real" documentaion (whatever that is). > > > No argument there. Organising the documentation formats of a large number > of independant projects is a big job, and many use legacy formats. It can > be done but it is a big project for which tools like scrollkeeper now exist > as a beginning I hope to see good documentation with Fedora release 2, RFE: http://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=91668 From chrisw01 at privatei.com Tue Oct 7 18:49:10 2003 From: chrisw01 at privatei.com (Christopher A. Williams) Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 12:49:10 -0600 Subject: GDM Seems fixed now... Message-ID: <1065552550.6458.1.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> Today's update (10/7) also seems to have fixed my issues with GDM crashing as well. It's gdm-2.4.4.3-5 which I now have installed. Cheers, Chris -- ==================================== "If you get to thinkin' you're a person of some influence, try orderin' someone else's dog around." --Cowboy Wisdom From notting at redhat.com Tue Oct 7 18:50:04 2003 From: notting at redhat.com (Bill Nottingham) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 14:50:04 -0400 Subject: Keyboard and Mouse Problem In-Reply-To: <1065521855.10422.49.camel@tbird>; from 1midniterider@comcast.net on Tue, Oct 07, 2003 at 06:17:35AM -0400 References: <1065521855.10422.49.camel@tbird> Message-ID: <20031007145004.D30748@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Marcus White (1midniterider at comcast.net) said: > On my test laptop, a Compaq Armada M700 w/ 128 Mb and 400 Mhz CPU, every > time the GUI starts the scroll/caps/num lock lights flash for about a > minute or two before the GUI is displayed. Erm, your kernel is oopsing. Check /var/log/messages. Bill From jdrabb at tampabay.rr.com Tue Oct 7 18:52:04 2003 From: jdrabb at tampabay.rr.com (jdrabb at tampabay.rr.com) Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 14:52:04 -0400 Subject: GDM crash -- new discovery? Message-ID: <25a12025e473.25e47325a120@tampabay.rr.com> ----- Original Message ----- From: Julio Sanchez Date: Tuesday, October 7, 2003 1:38 pm Subject: Re: GDM crash -- new discovery? > On Mon, 06 Oct 2003 22:33:03 -0400, Robert L Cochran wrote: > > > I'm getting the failsafe session, too. Haven't switched themes > like you. > > The failsafe version problem is because /etc/X11/gdm/Xsession does not > exist. > > If you symlink the one at /etc/X11/xdm/Xsession there, the error > goes away. > > Julio ln -s /etc/X11/xdm/Xsession /etc/X11/gdm/Xsession This didn't fix the problem for me. Jim Drabb -- ---------------------------------------------------------- The box said: "Requires Windows 98/2000/XP/NT, or better." So, I installed LINUX! ---------------------------------------------------------- James Drabb JR Senior Programmer Analyst Davenport, FL USA gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys 8C4CF29E From jgeorgeson at lopht.net Tue Oct 7 18:52:08 2003 From: jgeorgeson at lopht.net (Justin Georgeson) Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 13:52:08 -0500 Subject: Supporting NTFS in the kernel References: <3F8014B9.5030601@zonnet.nl> <20031005135425.GD16491@redhat.com> <3F806743.300@htp-tel.de> <3F818EA9.4040406@rackable.com> <1065457640.26875.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1065550139.2725.1.camel@work.thl.home> Message-ID: <3F830B58.8070601@lopht.net> Thorsten Leemhuis wrote: > Am Mon, den 06.10.2003 schrieb Marc Schwartz um 18:27: > >>On Mon, 2003-10-06 at 10:47, Samuel Flory wrote: >> >>>Thorsten Leemhuis wrote: >>> >>>>Dave Jones wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>>On Sun, Oct 05, 2003 at 02:55:21PM +0200, Jaap A. Haitsma wrote: >>>>> > I would like it very much if the standard kernel would include the >>>>>read > driver for NTFS >>>>> >>>>>Won't happen due to potential patent problems. >>>> >>>> >>>>Would it be possible to add some parts of the linux-ntfs-ng driver (or >>>>maybe code hooks) so that they, or somebody else, could provide rpm >>>>packages for the new ntfs driver module? The linux-ntfs Project >>>>currently provides only rpms for the *old* ntfs driver (AFAICS)? >>>> >>> >>> >>> What sort of hooks are needed? What is stopping someone from >>>compiling and distributing a module in an rpm? >> >> >>Has anyone attempted the instructions at the bottom of: >>http://linux-ntfs.sourceforge.net/info/redhat.html >> >>"How was it done?" >> >>where there are some brief instructions and links for a script file and >>a spec file to create the RPM. >> >>I have not yet had the time to work through it, but that seems like a >>reasonable way to start. > > > But this is for the old, not SMP aware, NTFS driver. For the new one a > kernel recompile seems to be necessary AFAICS. Don't know if they need > something special in the kernel or if they are to lazy to make a > separate module compile possible on top of a kernel-source-tree as the > one from redhat (with correct version/modversions/autoconf/...). Maybe > someone with more know-how in the linux-kernel can answer... I've been running an SMP box for several years, and have been running the old, not SMP aware, NTFS driver most of that time. I've never had a single problem with it. Is the driver still included in the kernel-source RPMS? If so you don't need to download any extra packages. make (x|menu)config load appropraite config file (kernel--i686-smp.config for me) save config & exit edit EXTAVERSION in /usr/src/linux-2.4/Makefile to match what's running - this is the one step that always gets me make dep make clean make _mod_fs - this is the smallest target I could find to get the driver built copy ntfs.o to /lib/modules/... depmod -a modprobe -a ntfs The latest driver download touches kernel/ksyms.c so it can't be simply dropped in to compile just the module. The patch would have to be made part of the official kernel RPMs, but the module could still be left disabled, as it currently is, so my set of steps above would still work, I think. From pboy at barkhof.uni-bremen.de Tue Oct 7 18:55:28 2003 From: pboy at barkhof.uni-bremen.de (Peter Boy) Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 20:55:28 +0200 Subject: Battery applet doesn't always fit into the panel Message-ID: <1065552928.5595.16.camel@ibmLaptop.athome.de> Hi, the battery status applet does not resize correctly into the panel, if the panel size is set between 37 and 46 pixel (with 1400*1050 resolution). Setting the height of the panel smaller as 37 pixel will display the icon horizonally, otherwise vertically. Is this worth a bug report or considered as not relevant? Peter From dstewart at atl.lmco.com Tue Oct 7 18:54:47 2003 From: dstewart at atl.lmco.com (Douglas Stewart) Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 14:54:47 -0400 Subject: Yum Error In-Reply-To: <20031007145004.D30748@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <1065521855.10422.49.camel@tbird> <20031007145004.D30748@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <3F830BF7.6040103@atl.lmco.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 After applying all the most recent updates this morning, I receive the following error whenever I try to run yum: [root at wheeljack root]# yum check-update Gathering header information file(s) from server(s) Server: Red Hat Linux Null - i386 - Base retrygrab() failed for: http://mirror.dulug.duke.edu/pub/yum-repository/redhat/Null/i386/headers/header.info ~ Executing failover method failover: out of servers to try Error getting file http://mirror.dulug.duke.edu/pub/yum-repository/redhat/Null/i386/headers/header.info [Errno 4] IOError: HTTP Error 404: Not Found Is this an error related to: yum-2.0.3-1 fedora-release-0.94-2 ? And how do I get it back to updating with yum? - -- - ---------- Doug Stewart Systems Administrator/Web Applications Developer Lockheed Martin Advanced Technology Labs Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/gwv2N50Q8DVvcvkRApcSAJ9MXb/7rBdVNHvR91GQZ+vY8Q15sgCfSjuC q7Syj/T4Xhs+IRD8KiJJ+Ls= =vGyg -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Tue Oct 7 18:58:16 2003 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: 07 Oct 2003 14:58:16 -0400 Subject: Yum Error In-Reply-To: <3F830BF7.6040103@atl.lmco.com> References: <1065521855.10422.49.camel@tbird> <20031007145004.D30748@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <3F830BF7.6040103@atl.lmco.com> Message-ID: <1065553096.21035.53.camel@opus> On Tue, 2003-10-07 at 14:54, Douglas Stewart wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > After applying all the most recent updates this morning, I receive the > following error whenever I try to run yum: > > [root at wheeljack root]# yum check-update > Gathering header information file(s) from server(s) > Server: Red Hat Linux Null - i386 - Base > retrygrab() failed for: > > http://mirror.dulug.duke.edu/pub/yum-repository/redhat/Null/i386/headers/header.info > ~ Executing failover method > failover: out of servers to try > Error getting file > http://mirror.dulug.duke.edu/pub/yum-repository/redhat/Null/i386/headers/header.info > [Errno 4] IOError: HTTP Error 404: Not Found > > > Is this an error related to: > yum-2.0.3-1 > fedora-release-0.94-2 > > ? > > And how do I get it back to updating with yum? Where are you trying to update from? also - you just updated to rawhide didn't you? hence the 'null' -sv From jl.lecorre at free.fr Mon Oct 6 21:20:31 2003 From: jl.lecorre at free.fr (Le Corre Jean-Luc) Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 23:20:31 +0200 Subject: Call for Testing: New ORBit2 to maybe fix evolution hangs In-Reply-To: <1065471083.26387.6.camel@mirkwood.devel.redhat.com> References: <1065471083.26387.6.camel@mirkwood.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1065475231.5368.1.camel@queyras> It fixes the problem for me. Thanks, Le lun 06/10/2003 ? 22:11, Jeremy Katz a ?crit : > If you're seeing hangs with ORBit2, I'd appreciate it if you could grab > the ORBit2 packages from http://people.redhat.com/~katzj/ORBit2/ and see > if that fixes the problems for you. I've installed them and evolution > continues to work fine for me with it, but I didn't see the problems to > begin with ;-) > > Thanks, > > Jeremy > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Ceci est une partie de message num?riquement sign?e. URL: From pboy at barkhof.uni-bremen.de Tue Oct 7 18:26:24 2003 From: pboy at barkhof.uni-bremen.de (Peter Boy) Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 20:26:24 +0200 Subject: secure mode gnome session ?? In-Reply-To: <1065550093.3960.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1065548128.5324.9.camel@ibmLaptop.athome.de> <1065550093.3960.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1065551184.5366.1.camel@ibmLaptop.athome.de> Am Di, den 07.10.2003 schrieb Erik Englund um 20:08: > Download the latest gdm package (gdm-2.4.4.3-5) and reboot your computer > and everything should work fine. That did it. Thanks for info. Peter From sjoerd at acm.org Tue Oct 7 19:19:52 2003 From: sjoerd at acm.org (Sjoerd Mullender) Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 21:19:52 +0200 Subject: up2date: not very bright, is it? In-Reply-To: <200310070555.10830.elwoo@videotron.ca> References: <200310070555.10830.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <3F8311D8.6030205@acm.org> Elton Woo wrote: > I've just launched up2date to fetch stuff from the RHN beta channel. > Usually, I just "select all" ... and wer'e off! However, I had to > redo my selections because the "new" and "old" versions are the > same. > > You'd think that if up2date found that if it found that both versions > were the _same_ it would automatically skip the selected package(s) > wouldn't /shouldn't it? ... or should I enter this as an RFE? I've noticed this a few times myself too. I found out that I had two versions of the same package installed. After managing to delete the older version whilst making sure the files from the newer didn't get deleted all was well with up2date. From dstewart at atl.lmco.com Tue Oct 7 19:41:01 2003 From: dstewart at atl.lmco.com (Douglas Stewart) Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 15:41:01 -0400 Subject: Yum Error In-Reply-To: <1065553096.21035.53.camel@opus> References: <1065521855.10422.49.camel@tbird> <20031007145004.D30748@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <3F830BF7.6040103@atl.lmco.com> <1065553096.21035.53.camel@opus> Message-ID: <3F8316CD.1040003@atl.lmco.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 seth vidal wrote: | On Tue, 2003-10-07 at 14:54, Douglas Stewart wrote: | |>-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- |>Hash: SHA1 |> |>After applying all the most recent updates this morning, I receive the |>following error whenever I try to run yum: |> |>[root at wheeljack root]# yum check-update |>Gathering header information file(s) from server(s) |>Server: Red Hat Linux Null - i386 - Base |>retrygrab() failed for: |> |>http://mirror.dulug.duke.edu/pub/yum-repository/redhat/Null/i386/headers/header.info |>~ Executing failover method |>failover: out of servers to try |>Error getting file |>http://mirror.dulug.duke.edu/pub/yum-repository/redhat/Null/i386/headers/header.info |>[Errno 4] IOError: HTTP Error 404: Not Found |> |> |>Is this an error related to: |>yum-2.0.3-1 |>fedora-release-0.94-2 |> |>? |> |>And how do I get it back to updating with yum? | | | Where are you trying to update from? | | also - you just updated to rawhide didn't you? | | hence the 'null' | | -sv | | | | -- | fedora-test-list mailing list | fedora-test-list at redhat.com | http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list Not quite sure what you mean by that. I didn't consciously pick Rawhide; I _did_ check "Severn Beta 2 (i386) Updates". Does that move me to Rawhide? - -- - ---------- Doug Stewart Systems Administrator/Web Applications Developer Lockheed Martin Advanced Technology Labs Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/gxbNN50Q8DVvcvkRAgIJAJ9Jn7Lgs8i8sAtO/FTgvYxrwi+bawCfegFb a4b4jalyqr55ZKUGxf0jSNQ= =VLAA -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From ms-nospam-0306 at arcor.de Tue Oct 7 19:45:37 2003 From: ms-nospam-0306 at arcor.de (Michael Schwendt) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 21:45:37 +0200 Subject: Yum Error In-Reply-To: <3F830BF7.6040103@atl.lmco.com> References: <1065521855.10422.49.camel@tbird> <20031007145004.D30748@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <3F830BF7.6040103@atl.lmco.com> Message-ID: <20031007214537.544e7584.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, 07 Oct 2003 14:54:47 -0400, Douglas Stewart wrote: > [root at wheeljack root]# yum check-update > Gathering header information file(s) from server(s) > Server: Red Hat Linux Null - i386 - Base > retrygrab() failed for: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=106460 - -- Michael, who doesn't reply to top posts and complete quotes anymore. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/gxfh0iMVcrivHFQRAuXVAJ0XV2ZevN5RPHU30p86kTzgT/oTXACeIC07 L/o9AgLERiPSI430VBcqzAw= =vi6H -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From hoyt at cavtel.net Tue Oct 7 19:52:39 2003 From: hoyt at cavtel.net (HoytDuff) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 15:52:39 -0400 Subject: How to setup DMA on my CD-RW? In-Reply-To: <20031007153206.GA13195@orient.maison> References: <1065479567.4495.0.camel@techbyte.com.br> <200310070957.26250.hoyt@cavtel.net> <20031007153206.GA13195@orient.maison> Message-ID: <200310071552.39996.hoyt@cavtel.net> On Tuesday 07 October 2003 11:32 am, Emmanuel Seyman wrote: > > I don't consider that "real" documentation for the use of that feature; > > that's more like a start/stop switch label on an appliance than useful > > documentation. 8) > > Welcome to Red Hat Linux, an operating system made up of 1400 differents > parts with no standard way of documenting changes. > There are man pages, info pages, files in /usr/share/doc in a gazillion > number of formats, releases notes, changelogs, todos, etc. None of this, > I consider to be "real" documentaion (whatever that is). I consider well-written man pages to be "real" documentation. Info pages tend to be well-written, but smell of a failed alternative. Many of the README files in /usr/share/doc aren't worth the electrons they're printed on, but some of the best info is buried there and in the source code. Fedora has a chance to really shine by leading the way in this aspect of documentation. -- Hoyt From dstewart at atl.lmco.com Tue Oct 7 19:52:22 2003 From: dstewart at atl.lmco.com (Douglas Stewart) Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 15:52:22 -0400 Subject: Yum Error In-Reply-To: <20031007214537.544e7584.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de> References: <1065521855.10422.49.camel@tbird> <20031007145004.D30748@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <3F830BF7.6040103@atl.lmco.com> <20031007214537.544e7584.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de> Message-ID: <3F831976.8000804@atl.lmco.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Michael Schwendt wrote: | On Tue, 07 Oct 2003 14:54:47 -0400, Douglas Stewart wrote: | | |>[root at wheeljack root]# yum check-update |>Gathering header information file(s) from server(s) |>Server: Red Hat Linux Null - i386 - Base |>retrygrab() failed for: | | | https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=106460 | | | -- | Michael, who doesn't reply to top posts and complete quotes anymore. | Sweet! That did the trick. - -- - ---------- Doug Stewart Systems Administrator/Web Applications Developer Lockheed Martin Advanced Technology Labs Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/gxl2N50Q8DVvcvkRAoAJAJ40rKI2vM06QrjcVJrCGAPP8eLQ3QCfe5JW NIWN00zX6JWx9V/zWl2LFN0= =XZMU -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From mjc at avtechpulse.com Tue Oct 7 20:05:13 2003 From: mjc at avtechpulse.com (Dr. Michael J. Chudobiak) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 16:05:13 -0400 Subject: krb5 errors Message-ID: <7A13F645CE428E44B77F7C20CEF9B3BB1CA32D@server1.domain.avtechpulse.com> Felipe, I think you are right. krb5 1.3 seems to be the trouble. I "fixed" my problems by re-compiling PHP without Kerberos support, for now. - Mike > > ever since upgrading to Severn, I've been plagued with > "krb5" errors, like this in my /var/log/httpd/error_log: ... > I think it's related to changes in Kerberos5 1.3. It also > seems to break > Cyrus IMAPD which complains that the key table (keytab) file format is > invalid. > > I solved my problems by downgrading to krb5 1.2.2 (the one > from Red Hat > Linux 9). From daniel-wittenberg at starken.com Tue Oct 7 20:11:47 2003 From: daniel-wittenberg at starken.com (Daniel Wittenberg) Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 15:11:47 -0500 Subject: [FEDORA] GDM Seems fixed now... In-Reply-To: <1065552550.6458.1.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> References: <1065552550.6458.1.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> Message-ID: <1065557507.18926.7.camel@hawk.wittenberg.org> Mine seems much happier, except when gnome comes up, I get the menu bars, and gkrellm starts up, but the "desktop" doesn't start up. I'm not sure what process controls that, but some of the menu items are gone too, like the command button. Something not getting started that is supposed to ? Dan On Tue, 2003-10-07 at 13:49, Christopher A. Williams wrote: > Today's update (10/7) also seems to have fixed my issues with GDM > crashing as well. It's gdm-2.4.4.3-5 which I now have installed. > > Cheers, > > Chris > > -- > ==================================== > "If you get to thinkin' you're a person of some influence, > try orderin' someone else's dog around." > --Cowboy Wisdom > > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list -- ============================= Daniel Wittenberg RHCE+AS/IBM Certified Specialist President/CTO The Starken Group http://www.starken.com From bill at noreboots.com Tue Oct 7 20:32:13 2003 From: bill at noreboots.com (Bill Anderson) Date: 07 Oct 2003 14:32:13 -0600 Subject: secure mode gnome session ?? In-Reply-To: <1065550093.3960.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1065548128.5324.9.camel@ibmLaptop.athome.de> <1065550093.3960.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1065558733.2384.6.camel@locutus> On Tue, 2003-10-07 at 12:08, Erik Englund wrote: > Download the latest gdm package (gdm-2.4.4.3-5) and reboot your computer > and everything should work fine. uhhhh why the reboot? -- Bill Anderson RHCE #807302597505773 bill at noreboots.com From erik.orebro at telia.com Tue Oct 7 20:47:35 2003 From: erik.orebro at telia.com (Erik Englund) Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 22:47:35 +0200 Subject: secure mode gnome session ?? In-Reply-To: <1065558733.2384.6.camel@locutus> References: <1065548128.5324.9.camel@ibmLaptop.athome.de> <1065550093.3960.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1065558733.2384.6.camel@locutus> Message-ID: <1065559654.3960.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2003-10-07 at 22:32, Bill Anderson wrote: > On Tue, 2003-10-07 at 12:08, Erik Englund wrote: > > Download the latest gdm package (gdm-2.4.4.3-5) and reboot your computer > > and everything should work fine. > > uhhhh why the reboot? It didn't work for me without a reboot! first i thought it was something wrong with that package too cause gnome didn't work even if i installed it... i almost gave up, then i rebooted and everything worked fine... i find that a bit strange too cause it really should be enough with restarting x?! From mark at mitre.org Tue Oct 7 20:50:42 2003 From: mark at mitre.org (Mark Heslep) Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 16:50:42 -0400 Subject: redhat-config-xfree86-0.9.9-2 Traceback on a dual head ATI In-Reply-To: <3F82F5ED.8020507@mitre.org> References: <3F82F5ED.8020507@mitre.org> Message-ID: <3F832722.4010300@mitre.org> Bugzilla 106501 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=106501 Mark Heslep wrote: > Latest redhat-config-xfree86 w/ the dual head code tracebacks on a > dual head ATI FireGL X1. Displays: NEC LCD 1860NX, Dell P991. > I have X working manually with the stock 'radeon' driver but only > single head so far; ATI's fglrx drivers do the job for dual head > though w/ no Xinerama - a deal breaker. Yes the fglrx package is > removed and lib-Mesa reinstalled for these results: > > $ rpm -q redhat-config-xfree86 > redhat-config-xfree86-0.9.9-2 > > $ /sbin/lspci > ... > 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon R300 NG > [FireGL X1] (rev 80) > 01:00.1 Display controller: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon R300 [FireGL > X1] (Secondary) (rev 80) > ... > > sudo redhat-config-xfree86 --reconfig > Trying with card: ATI FireGL X1 > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "/usr/share/redhat-config-xfree86/xconf.py", line 406, in ? > dialog = xConfigDialog.XConfigDialog(hardware_state, xconfig, vc) > File "/usr/share/redhat-config-xfree86/xConfigDialog.py", line 397, in > __init__ > key, value = string.split(card.driver, ":") > ValueError: unpack list of wrong size > > > -Mark > > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > From cliff at villagevisions.com Tue Oct 7 20:54:37 2003 From: cliff at villagevisions.com (Cliff Kent) Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 16:54:37 -0400 Subject: redhat-config-securitylevel vs redhat-config-firewall? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3F83280D.90903@villagevisions.com> >> However, I question the allowing of ALL ICMP traffic in? << Same question here. I see a default like that on linksys (and similar) "home" firewall plastic boxes. I don't know why. After basic setup, I turn ICMP off. So far no requests to turn it back on. ck From tdiehl at rogueind.com Tue Oct 7 21:03:20 2003 From: tdiehl at rogueind.com (Tom Diehl) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 17:03:20 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [FEDORA] GDM Seems fixed now... In-Reply-To: <1065557507.18926.7.camel@hawk.wittenberg.org> Message-ID: On Tue, 7 Oct 2003, Daniel Wittenberg wrote: > Mine seems much happier, except when gnome comes up, I get the menu > bars, and gkrellm starts up, but the "desktop" doesn't start up. I'm > not sure what process controls that, but some of the menu items are gone > too, like the command button. > > Something not getting started that is supposed to ? Still crashing here!! No change. :-( -- ......Tom Registered Linux User #14522 http://counter.li.org tdiehl at rogueind.com My current SpamTrap -------> mtd123 at rogueind.com From fedora at warmcat.com Tue Oct 7 21:06:28 2003 From: fedora at warmcat.com (Andy Green) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 22:06:28 +0100 Subject: PXE -> NBD -> Install Fedora? Message-ID: <200310072206.28658.fedora@warmcat.com> Hi - Slightly unusual situation, my main terminal is currently a fanless EPIA motherboard with a fanless PSU and no HDD. (The reason is the complete silence.) It boots over the network using PXE and mounts using NBD a 2G ext3 image stored in a file on the server. NBD is the Network Block Device, a feature of the kernel that allows a remote file to appear to be a local block device. The 2G image is initialized mainly with RH9 RPMS via some custom scripts at creation time on the server, this gives a working KDE desktop and is working fine. Rather than duplicate this effort for Fedora, I saw somebody mention PXE being supported during Fedora install.... but is NBD supported by the Fedora install? This would allow the remote filesystem to be initialized from the client exactly as if it was a local drive and do away with the need to prep the filesystem on the server at all. NBD is mainly in the (stock, no patches needed) kernel, but you need to run a small userland app on the server and client to point them at each other. -Andy From jeremyp at pobox.com Tue Oct 7 21:10:26 2003 From: jeremyp at pobox.com (Jeremy Portzer) Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 17:10:26 -0400 Subject: getting pine to run under fedora 0.94 -- a couple issues In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3F832BC2.5090107@pobox.com> Robert P. J. Day wrote: > > when i asked about this on another list, i'm sure i was pointed to a > filed bugzilla entry on this. just now, i tried to query for this report, > but was utterly unable to find it. i tried to be as general as possible, > "fedora", "test2", didn't even specify a status or anything. but got no > hits. > > can someone provide the magic incantation that would have produced this > bug report, based on the relevant keywords? sometimes, bugzilla can be > maddeningly non-productive. > I think you're referring to this: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=101982 I found it by doing a quick search on "libcom_err.so.3" . It was filed on the "distribution" component which maybe is why you didn't find it. I guess this is correct because it can't be a problem with pine, since there is no pine in FC test2, but it's also not really a problem with kerberos, since nothing else needs this. Not sure how this can be resolved. In answer to someone else's question on this thread about where to get the SRPM, you can just use the one from Red Hat Linux 9, which is a heavily patched version of 4.44. Be sure to get the one from the updates tree. Also, you don't need to edit the spec manually, you can just do this command on the SRPM: rpm --rebuild --define "nokerberos 1" pine-4.44-19.90.0.src.rpm Of course, that disables kerberos which isn't approrpiate for everyone, looks like the packages at Fedora.us solve that in a better way. --Jeremy -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 256 bytes Desc: not available URL: From jbinpg at shaw.ca Tue Oct 7 21:16:52 2003 From: jbinpg at shaw.ca (Jack Bowling) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 14:16:52 -0700 Subject: up2date: not very bright, is it? In-Reply-To: <3F8311D8.6030205@acm.org> References: <200310070555.10830.elwoo@videotron.ca> <3F8311D8.6030205@acm.org> Message-ID: <20031007211652.GB30942@nonesuch.ca.shawcable.net> On Tue, Oct 07, 2003 at 09:19:52PM +0200, Sjoerd Mullender wrote: > Elton Woo wrote: > >I've just launched up2date to fetch stuff from the RHN beta channel. > >Usually, I just "select all" ... and wer'e off! However, I had to > >redo my selections because the "new" and "old" versions are the > >same. > > > >You'd think that if up2date found that if it found that both versions > >were the _same_ it would automatically skip the selected package(s) > >wouldn't /shouldn't it? ... or should I enter this as an RFE? > > I've noticed this a few times myself too. I found out that I had two > versions of the same package installed. After managing to delete the > older version whilst making sure the files from the newer didn't get > deleted all was well with up2date. The best way I have found to check for dupe packages is to run "apt-get update". It will bomb if it finds any dupes and you can proceed to delete the bad ones from there. You don't have to upgrade via apt-get if you want to remain "up2date pure". Why up2date does not do a similar scan is beyond me. -- Jack Bowling mailto: jbinpg at shaw.ca From andre at bwh.harvard.edu Tue Oct 7 21:22:08 2003 From: andre at bwh.harvard.edu (Andre Robatino) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 17:22:08 -0400 (EDT) Subject: why can't up2date resume downloads? Message-ID: <200310072122.h97LM8Q10914@garfield.bwh.harvard.edu> As of RH 9, up2date was still incapable of resuming downloads, so that if the download was ended prematurely, one had to start over. This seems only to affect those on low-speed connections such as dialup. It manifests itself in a spurious error message "The package < ... > does not have a valid GPG signature. It has been tampered with or corrupted. Continue?" The real cause of the error is that the connection was dropped by the server, and instead of reconnecting, up2date prematurely checks the GPG signature of the truncated file, which fails. One then has to start downloading from scratch. This is irritation when one tries to download a 20 MB RPM over dialup, has it fail halfway through, and has to try half a dozen tries before success. Of course, one could use wget and manually check the signature and do the install, but then why use up2date at all? The problem is probably best explained in bug #86527. There are also references to it in bugs 85808, 85763, and 92138. There are probably many other references to it which I haven't found. Only in 86527 did the reporter hit the nail on the head and he never got a response. Initially I thought the lack of interest was simply that Red Hat's market doesn't include a lot of dialup customers, who are about the only ones affected. However, after participating in the beta process, I realized that a beta tester almost has to have broadband, since one gets tens or even hundreds of MB/day of downloads. These people never experience the bug. By any chance, has this been addressed in the latest up2date? If not, are there any plans to fix it? From veillard at redhat.com Tue Oct 7 21:31:54 2003 From: veillard at redhat.com (Daniel Veillard) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 17:31:54 -0400 Subject: why can't up2date resume downloads? In-Reply-To: <200310072122.h97LM8Q10914@garfield.bwh.harvard.edu>; from andre@bwh.harvard.edu on Tue, Oct 07, 2003 at 05:22:08PM -0400 References: <200310072122.h97LM8Q10914@garfield.bwh.harvard.edu> Message-ID: <20031007173154.P31459@redhat.com> On Tue, Oct 07, 2003 at 05:22:08PM -0400, Andre Robatino wrote: > As of RH 9, up2date was still incapable of resuming downloads, so that if > the download was ended prematurely, one had to start over. This seems only [...] > By any chance, has this been addressed in the latest up2date? If not, are > there any plans to fix it? yes, well known limitation. This has been on the white board, but I don't think implementation is finished yet. It's definitely being addressed, Daniel -- Daniel Veillard | Red Hat Network https://rhn.redhat.com/ veillard at redhat.com | libxml GNOME XML XSLT toolkit http://xmlsoft.org/ http://veillard.com/ | Rpmfind RPM search engine http://rpmfind.net/ From balay at fastmail.fm Tue Oct 7 21:33:12 2003 From: balay at fastmail.fm (Satish Balay) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 16:33:12 -0500 (CDT) Subject: up2date: not very bright, is it? In-Reply-To: <20031007211652.GB30942@nonesuch.ca.shawcable.net> References: <200310070555.10830.elwoo@videotron.ca> <3F8311D8.6030205@acm.org> <20031007211652.GB30942@nonesuch.ca.shawcable.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 7 Oct 2003, Jack Bowling wrote: > > The best way I have found to check for dupe packages is to run "apt-get > update". It will bomb if it finds any dupes and you can proceed to > delete the bad ones from there. You don't have to upgrade via apt-get if > you want to remain "up2date pure". Why up2date does not do a similar > scan is beyond me. or use apt-get -f or --fix-broken Is there a yum equivalent? Satish From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Tue Oct 7 21:37:52 2003 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: 07 Oct 2003 17:37:52 -0400 Subject: up2date: not very bright, is it? In-Reply-To: References: <200310070555.10830.elwoo@videotron.ca> <3F8311D8.6030205@acm.org> <20031007211652.GB30942@nonesuch.ca.shawcable.net> Message-ID: <1065562671.21035.72.camel@opus> On Tue, 2003-10-07 at 17:33, Satish Balay wrote: > On Tue, 7 Oct 2003, Jack Bowling wrote: > > > > > The best way I have found to check for dupe packages is to run "apt-get > > update". It will bomb if it finds any dupes and you can proceed to > > delete the bad ones from there. You don't have to upgrade via apt-get if > > you want to remain "up2date pure". Why up2date does not do a similar > > scan is beyond me. > > or use apt-get -f or --fix-broken > > Is there a yum equivalent? 'delete the bad ones' how do you know which dupe to replace? -sv From ed at redhat.com Tue Oct 7 21:38:12 2003 From: ed at redhat.com (Edward C. Bailey) Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 17:38:12 -0400 Subject: How to setup DMA on my CD-RW? In-Reply-To: <3F8308EA.4030704@wanadoo.es> (Xose Vazquez Perez's message of "Tue, 07 Oct 2003 20:41:46 +0200") References: <200310071827.h97IRTi29231@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <3F8308EA.4030704@wanadoo.es> Message-ID: >>>>> "Xose" == Xose Vazquez Perez writes: Xose> I hope to see good documentation with Fedora release 2, RFE: Xose> http://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=91668 You take non-negative response to a request for more in-depth release notes as being a commitment to better overall documentation? Yes, I will work with the community to help improve the release notes, but that in no way translates to anything like what is being discussed in this thread... Ed -- Ed Bailey Red Hat, Inc. http://www.redhat.com/ From ed at redhat.com Tue Oct 7 21:42:43 2003 From: ed at redhat.com (Edward C. Bailey) Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 17:42:43 -0400 Subject: How to setup DMA on my CD-RW? In-Reply-To: <200310071552.39996.hoyt@cavtel.net> (hoyt@cavtel.net's message of "Tue, 7 Oct 2003 15:52:39 -0400") References: <1065479567.4495.0.camel@techbyte.com.br> <200310070957.26250.hoyt@cavtel.net> <20031007153206.GA13195@orient.maison> <200310071552.39996.hoyt@cavtel.net> Message-ID: >>>>> "HoytDuff" == HoytDuff writes: ... HoytDuff> Fedora has a chance to really shine by leading the way in this HoytDuff> aspect of documentation. -- Hoyt I (and the rest of the Red Hat Docs group, I'm sure) would love to see that happen, but realize that the proportion of the group's time available for Fedora work is very small (given that our bread'n'butter -- the manuals -- did not become part of the project). Therefore, it's going to take some heavy lifting on the part of the community to make meaningful strides in the area of documentation... Ed -- Ed Bailey Red Hat, Inc. http://www.redhat.com/ From jeremyp at pobox.com Tue Oct 7 21:45:04 2003 From: jeremyp at pobox.com (Jeremy Portzer) Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 17:45:04 -0400 Subject: redhat-config-securitylevel vs redhat-config-firewall? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3F8333E0.4000308@pobox.com> Tommy McNeely wrote: > > Also, why is it called redhat-config-securitylevel, when all it really > configures is the firewall.. wouldn't it make more sense to be called > redhat-config-firewall? isn't that what it used to be called? what other > security level stuff does it configure? :) > I think the idea is that it only configures very basic options about the iptables firewall. It's only setting up generic firewall levels, rather than being a full-fledged firewall configurator. If you want more complex things, you have to update the rules manually, or with another application. --Jeremy -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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No change. :-( From balay at fastmail.fm Tue Oct 7 22:06:36 2003 From: balay at fastmail.fm (Satish Balay) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 17:06:36 -0500 (CDT) Subject: getting pine to run under fedora 0.94 -- a couple issues In-Reply-To: <3F832BC2.5090107@pobox.com> References: <3F832BC2.5090107@pobox.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 7 Oct 2003, Jeremy Portzer wrote: > Robert P. J. Day wrote: > > > > when i asked about this on another list, i'm sure i was pointed to a > > filed bugzilla entry on this. just now, i tried to query for this report, > > but was utterly unable to find it. i tried to be as general as possible, > > "fedora", "test2", didn't even specify a status or anything. but got no > > hits. > > > > can someone provide the magic incantation that would have produced this > > bug report, based on the relevant keywords? sometimes, bugzilla can be > > maddeningly non-productive. > > > > I think you're referring to this: > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=101982 > > I found it by doing a quick search on "libcom_err.so.3" . It was filed > on the "distribution" component which maybe is why you didn't find it. > I guess this is correct because it can't be a problem with pine, since > there is no pine in FC test2, but it's also not really a problem with > kerberos, since nothing else needs this. Not sure how this can be resolved. > > In answer to someone else's question on this thread about where to get > the SRPM, you can just use the one from Red Hat Linux 9, which is a > heavily patched version of 4.44. Be sure to get the one from the > updates tree. Also, you don't need to edit the spec manually, you can > just do this command on the SRPM: > rpm --rebuild --define "nokerberos 1" pine-4.44-19.90.0.src.rpm > > Of course, that disables kerberos which isn't approrpiate for everyone, > looks like the packages at Fedora.us solve that in a better way. I managed to compile/install pine by obtaining pine-4.58-1.9.0asp.src.rpm from rpmfind.net and modifying the spec file as: [balay at dreamcast x]$ diff old/pine.spec new/pine.spec 7c7 < Release: 1.9.0asp --- > Release: 1.9.0asp.sb 128c128 < %{?!nokerberos: rm -f krb5 && mkdir krb5 && ln -s /usr/kerberos/include krb5/include && ln -s /usr/kerberos/%{_lib} krb5/lib} --- > %{?!nokerberos: rm -f krb5 && mkdir krb5 && ln -s /usr/include/kerberos krb5/include && ln -s /usr/lib krb5/lib} [balay at dreamcast x]$ The only problem I have with this is - when using postfix as MTA (run locally for sending mails via /usr/sbin/sendmail), pine just hangs. So I use sendmail instead of postfix as the MTA. Satish From balay at fastmail.fm Tue Oct 7 22:07:58 2003 From: balay at fastmail.fm (Satish Balay) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 17:07:58 -0500 (CDT) Subject: up2date: not very bright, is it? In-Reply-To: <1065562671.21035.72.camel@opus> References: <200310070555.10830.elwoo@videotron.ca> <3F8311D8.6030205@acm.org> <20031007211652.GB30942@nonesuch.ca.shawcable.net> <1065562671.21035.72.camel@opus> Message-ID: On Tue, 7 Oct 2003, seth vidal wrote: > > > > or use apt-get -f or --fix-broken > > > > Is there a yum equivalent? > > 'delete the bad ones' > > how do you know which dupe to replace? > Don't know.. There is some writeup in the 'apt-get' man page. Satish From m.weerasinghe at ntlworld.com Tue Oct 7 22:04:09 2003 From: m.weerasinghe at ntlworld.com (Matheesha) Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 23:04:09 +0100 Subject: why can't up2date resume downloads? In-Reply-To: <200310072122.h97LM8Q10914@garfield.bwh.harvard.edu> References: <200310072122.h97LM8Q10914@garfield.bwh.harvard.edu> Message-ID: <1065564249.2820.2.camel@cpc1-hem12-3-0-cust143.lutn.cable.ntl.com> Would making up2date a ftp based application (as opposed to http) solve this issue? I was hoping the ftp resume facility would help here. M@ On Tue, 2003-10-07 at 22:22, Andre Robatino wrote: > As of RH 9, up2date was still incapable of resuming downloads, so that if > the download was ended prematurely, one had to start over. This seems only > to affect those on low-speed connections such as dialup. It manifests > itself in a spurious error message > > "The package < ... > does not have a valid GPG signature. > It has been tampered with or corrupted. Continue?" > > The real cause of the error is that the connection was dropped by the > server, and instead of reconnecting, up2date prematurely checks the > GPG signature of the truncated file, which fails. One then has to start > downloading from scratch. This is irritation when one tries to download a > 20 MB RPM over dialup, has it fail halfway through, and has to try half a > dozen tries before success. Of course, one could use wget and manually > check the signature and do the install, but then why use up2date at all? > The problem is probably best explained in bug #86527. There are also > references to it in bugs 85808, 85763, and 92138. There are probably > many other references to it which I haven't found. Only in 86527 did the > reporter hit the nail on the head and he never got a response. > Initially I thought the lack of interest was simply that Red Hat's > market doesn't include a lot of dialup customers, who are about the only > ones affected. However, after participating in the beta process, I > realized that a beta tester almost has to have broadband, since one gets > tens or even hundreds of MB/day of downloads. These people never experience > the bug. > By any chance, has this been addressed in the latest up2date? If not, are > there any plans to fix it? > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From cochranb at speakeasy.net Tue Oct 7 22:13:44 2003 From: cochranb at speakeasy.net (Robert L Cochran) Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 18:13:44 -0400 Subject: GDM Seems fixed now... In-Reply-To: <1065552550.6458.1.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> References: <1065552550.6458.1.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> Message-ID: <3F833A98.1020401@speakeasy.net> Yes, it works for my Dell XPS T550 desktop. That is good. I'll apply updates to my laptop, but it will take a long time for that machine because I haven't updated it since Saturday. Bob Christopher A. Williams wrote: > Today's update (10/7) also seems to have fixed my issues with GDM > crashing as well. It's gdm-2.4.4.3-5 which I now have installed. > > Cheers, > > Chris > > -- > ==================================== > "If you get to thinkin' you're a person of some influence, > try orderin' someone else's dog around." > --Cowboy Wisdom > > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > -- Bob Cochran Greenbelt, Maryland, USA http://greenbeltcomputer.biz/ From 1midniterider at comcast.net Tue Oct 7 22:28:14 2003 From: 1midniterider at comcast.net (Marcus White) Date: 07 Oct 2003 18:28:14 -0400 Subject: Keyboard and Mouse Problem In-Reply-To: <20031007145004.D30748@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <1065521855.10422.49.camel@tbird> <20031007145004.D30748@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1065565694.10422.61.camel@tbird> Only thing in the there is "kernel: Keyboard timed out[1]", followed by "last message repeated xx times". On Tue, 2003-10-07 at 14:50, Bill Nottingham wrote: > Marcus White (1midniterider at comcast.net) said: > > On my test laptop, a Compaq Armada M700 w/ 128 Mb and 400 Mhz CPU, every > > time the GUI starts the scroll/caps/num lock lights flash for about a > > minute or two before the GUI is displayed. > > Erm, your kernel is oopsing. Check /var/log/messages. > > Bill > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list -- Marcus White <1midniterider at comcast.net> From andre at bwh.harvard.edu Tue Oct 7 22:39:24 2003 From: andre at bwh.harvard.edu (Andre Robatino) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 18:39:24 -0400 (EDT) Subject: why can't up2date resume downloads? In-Reply-To: <1065564249.2820.2.camel@cpc1-hem12-3-0-cust143.lutn.cable.ntl.com> from "Matheesha" at Oct 07, 2003 11:04:09 PM Message-ID: <200310072239.h97MdPI11523@garfield.bwh.harvard.edu> > > Would making up2date a ftp based application (as opposed to http) solve > this issue? I was hoping the ftp resume facility would help here. > > M@ I wasn't aware of this. Why is up2date HTTP-based? From blindman.jones at verizon.net Tue Oct 7 22:45:16 2003 From: blindman.jones at verizon.net (m jones) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 18:45:16 -0400 Subject: mouse quit In-Reply-To: <20031007141229.EIPX802.imf17aec.mail.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net> References: <20031007141229.EIPX802.imf17aec.mail.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net> Message-ID: <200310071845.16628.blindman.jones@verizon.net> has this been listed as a bug? I searched but couldn't find anything relevant... I had the same thing happen on my install... the install went perfect... then the system reboots, upon reboot you are now presented with a new "configuration" screen... date, time, time zone etc... at that first screen the mouse stops working and the tab key does nothing to get the "Next" button to become active... so you have to jiggle the mouse for a few minutes till you can get the "Next" button to become active so you can hit "Enter" on the keyboard. From then on the mouse still does not work, but the keyboard can be used to finish the "configuration". The system will then reboot at the end... or maybe it doesn't, i forget... point is after the configuration is done, the mouse works fine. I have a Sony PS/2 wheel mouse from a VAIO (don't know th actual mfg.) attached to a Abit KT7-RAID board. Actually, other than the simple mouse thing I have yet to find ANY fault with the current Fedora Core 2 beta... I'm a little bummed actually, I have nothing to complain about... why is it working so perfectly for me?... I am trying everything and I can't break it... I will keep trying though so as not to let you all down. Thanx to all who worked so hard on this release!!! On Tuesday 07 October 2003 10:12, look what d_bradsh at bellsouth.net wrote: > on first boot after install my mouse quit working. However at the login > screen it worked again..... -- michael jones erleichda archiving usa From jbinpg at shaw.ca Tue Oct 7 22:44:21 2003 From: jbinpg at shaw.ca (Jack Bowling) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 15:44:21 -0700 Subject: redhat-config-securitylevel vs redhat-config-firewall? In-Reply-To: <3F8333E0.4000308@pobox.com> References: <3F8333E0.4000308@pobox.com> Message-ID: <20031007224421.GA31919@nonesuch.ca.shawcable.net> On Tue, Oct 07, 2003 at 05:45:04PM -0400, Jeremy Portzer wrote: > Tommy McNeely wrote: > > > > >Also, why is it called redhat-config-securitylevel, when all it really > >configures is the firewall.. wouldn't it make more sense to be called > >redhat-config-firewall? isn't that what it used to be called? what other > >security level stuff does it configure? :) > > > > I think the idea is that it only configures very basic options about the > iptables firewall. It's only setting up generic firewall levels, rather > than being a full-fledged firewall configurator. If you want more > complex things, you have to update the rules manually, or with another > application. RH has been taken to task on this list previously for this apparent episode of hubris. A firewall is only one aspect of system security and thus I agree that r-c-firewall makes more sense. -- Jack Bowling mailto: jbinpg at shaw.ca From blocke at shivan.org Tue Oct 7 22:53:15 2003 From: blocke at shivan.org (Bruce A. Locke) Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 18:53:15 -0400 Subject: GDM Seems fixed now... In-Reply-To: <1065552550.6458.1.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> References: <1065552550.6458.1.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> Message-ID: <1065567194.4109.2.camel@kodiak.shivan.org> On Tue, 2003-10-07 at 14:49, Christopher A. Williams wrote: > Today's update (10/7) also seems to have fixed my issues with GDM > crashing as well. It's gdm-2.4.4.3-5 which I now have installed. 2.4.4.3-3 is the newest version of gdm available from rawhide.redhat.com, mirrors.kernel.org, and two other mirrors I checked as of 6:52PM EST (Tuesday, October 07). Where did you get -5? Thanks. -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Bruce A. Locke blocke at shivan.org From veillard at redhat.com Tue Oct 7 22:56:13 2003 From: veillard at redhat.com (Daniel Veillard) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 18:56:13 -0400 Subject: why can't up2date resume downloads? In-Reply-To: <200310072239.h97MdPI11523@garfield.bwh.harvard.edu>; from andre@bwh.harvard.edu on Tue, Oct 07, 2003 at 06:39:24PM -0400 References: <1065564249.2820.2.camel@cpc1-hem12-3-0-cust143.lutn.cable.ntl.com> <200310072239.h97MdPI11523@garfield.bwh.harvard.edu> Message-ID: <20031007185613.Q31459@redhat.com> On Tue, Oct 07, 2003 at 06:39:24PM -0400, Andre Robatino wrote: > I wasn't aware of this. Why is up2date HTTP-based? It uses HTTP + SSL for a zillion good reasons including security, authentication, proxy support. Daniel -- Daniel Veillard | Red Hat Network https://rhn.redhat.com/ veillard at redhat.com | libxml GNOME XML XSLT toolkit http://xmlsoft.org/ http://veillard.com/ | Rpmfind RPM search engine http://rpmfind.net/ From m.weerasinghe at ntlworld.com Tue Oct 7 22:53:09 2003 From: m.weerasinghe at ntlworld.com (Matheesha) Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 23:53:09 +0100 Subject: why can't up2date resume downloads? In-Reply-To: <200310072239.h97MdPI11523@garfield.bwh.harvard.edu> References: <200310072239.h97MdPI11523@garfield.bwh.harvard.edu> Message-ID: <1065567189.2820.8.camel@cpc1-hem12-3-0-cust143.lutn.cable.ntl.com> I was worried there for a bit cos you mentioned wget and I assumed you knew. I double checked and up2date-config proves the default location for updates is https://xmlrpc.rhn.redhat.com/XMLRPC. Incidentally wget seems to be both an http and ftp client so ignore my comments above :-) Cheers M@ On Tue, 2003-10-07 at 23:39, Andre Robatino wrote: > > > > Would making up2date a ftp based application (as opposed to http) solve > > this issue? I was hoping the ftp resume facility would help here. > > > > M@ > > I wasn't aware of this. Why is up2date HTTP-based? > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From JDrabb at tampabay.rr.com Tue Oct 7 23:00:10 2003 From: JDrabb at tampabay.rr.com (James Drabb) Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 19:00:10 -0400 Subject: GDM Seems fixed now... In-Reply-To: <1065567194.4109.2.camel@kodiak.shivan.org> References: <1065552550.6458.1.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> <1065567194.4109.2.camel@kodiak.shivan.org> Message-ID: <1065567609.6901.23.camel@keelie.darden.com> On Tue, 2003-10-07 at 18:53, Bruce A. Locke wrote: > On Tue, 2003-10-07 at 14:49, Christopher A. Williams wrote: > > Today's update (10/7) also seems to have fixed my issues with GDM > > crashing as well. It's gdm-2.4.4.3-5 which I now have installed. > > 2.4.4.3-3 is the newest version of gdm available from > rawhide.redhat.com, mirrors.kernel.org, and two other mirrors I checked > as of 6:52PM EST (Tuesday, October 07). > > Where did you get -5? > > Thanks. Hmmm, I just upgraded to this version and it would not start completely. The cursor would change to an hourglass and just sit there. Switching to vc1 and looking at top, it showed gdm sucking up 98.9% of my cpu. I killed it and downgraded to gdm-2.4.4.0-2. This version works, though I still get an annoying message about the Default session every time I log in. Jim Drabb -- James Drabb Senior Programmer Analyst Davenport, FL USA From paul.morgan at jumanjihouse.com Tue Oct 7 23:14:05 2003 From: paul.morgan at jumanjihouse.com (Paul Morgan) Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 18:14:05 -0500 Subject: redhat-config-securitylevel vs redhat-config-firewall? In-Reply-To: <20031007224421.GA31919@nonesuch.ca.shawcable.net> References: <3F8333E0.4000308@pobox.com> <20031007224421.GA31919@nonesuch.ca.shawcable.net> Message-ID: <1065568444.5158.16.camel@vaio.jumanjihouse.com> On Tue, 2003-10-07 at 17:44, Jack Bowling wrote: > RH has been taken to task on this list previously for this apparent > episode of hubris. A firewall is only one aspect of system security and > thus I agree that r-c-firewall makes more sense. But only if it provides robust firewall editing and configuration capabilities. Until then it is not really a firewall configurator. From 1midniterider at comcast.net Tue Oct 7 23:17:35 2003 From: 1midniterider at comcast.net (Marcus White) Date: 07 Oct 2003 19:17:35 -0400 Subject: Prelink maxing out CPU In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1065568655.10422.67.camel@tbird> It is 2.4.22-1.2087.nptl... On Tue, 2003-10-07 at 05:41, Ingo Molnar wrote: > On 7 Oct 2003, Marcus White wrote: > > > This morning noticed that my test laptop, Compaq Armada M700 w/128 Mb > > and 400Mhz CPU, was running sluggish (even more so that is). The only > > open app, other than normal system apps and KDE, was "ooimpress". The > > "prelink" program was utilizing about 90% of the CPU. Closing > > "ooimpress" did not correct the usage. Is this a normal occurance? > > what is the precise kernel you are using? (uname -a) > > Ingo -- Marcus White <1midniterider at comcast.net> From nmarsh1 at mac.com Tue Oct 7 23:16:54 2003 From: nmarsh1 at mac.com (Nicholas Marsh) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 18:16:54 -0500 Subject: Good news on the OpenOffice.org 1.1 front Message-ID: <5743F4FA-F91C-11D7-A126-000393714C2E@mac.com> For those who were wondering, it looks like OpenOffice.org 1.1 will make it into the next beta. Way to go Red Hat + Fedora team! https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=101207 From m.weerasinghe at ntlworld.com Tue Oct 7 23:13:14 2003 From: m.weerasinghe at ntlworld.com (Matheesha) Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 00:13:14 +0100 Subject: why can't up2date resume downloads? In-Reply-To: <20031007185613.Q31459@redhat.com> References: <1065564249.2820.2.camel@cpc1-hem12-3-0-cust143.lutn.cable.ntl.com> <200310072239.h97MdPI11523@garfield.bwh.harvard.edu> <20031007185613.Q31459@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1065568394.2820.11.camel@cpc1-hem12-3-0-cust143.lutn.cable.ntl.com> Would ftp+ssl not be an acceptable alternative? M@ On Tue, 2003-10-07 at 23:56, Daniel Veillard wrote: > On Tue, Oct 07, 2003 at 06:39:24PM -0400, Andre Robatino wrote: > > I wasn't aware of this. Why is up2date HTTP-based? > > It uses HTTP + SSL for a zillion good reasons including > security, authentication, proxy support. > > Daniel From andre at bwh.harvard.edu Tue Oct 7 23:24:27 2003 From: andre at bwh.harvard.edu (Andre Robatino) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 19:24:27 -0400 (EDT) Subject: why can't up2date resume downloads? In-Reply-To: <1065568394.2820.11.camel@cpc1-hem12-3-0-cust143.lutn.cable.ntl.com> from "Matheesha" at Oct 08, 2003 12:13:14 AM Message-ID: <200310072324.h97NORb11655@garfield.bwh.harvard.edu> > Would ftp+ssl not be an acceptable alternative? > > M@ > > On Tue, 2003-10-07 at 23:56, Daniel Veillard wrote: > > On Tue, Oct 07, 2003 at 06:39:24PM -0400, Andre Robatino wrote: > > > I wasn't aware of this. Why is up2date HTTP-based? > > > > It uses HTTP + SSL for a zillion good reasons including > > security, authentication, proxy support. > > > > Daniel I was perusing the man page for wget and it supports HTTPS. It also mentioned that it only supports regetting for FTP servers and for HTTP servers that support the "Range" header. It sounds like it shouldn't be significantly harder to implement resume downloading for HTTPS, assuming the server supports the "Range" header (correct me if I'm wrong). Would it be easier for up2date to invoke wget, or to be self-contained? From 1midniterider at comcast.net Tue Oct 7 23:25:10 2003 From: 1midniterider at comcast.net (Marcus White) Date: 07 Oct 2003 19:25:10 -0400 Subject: Prelink maxing out CPU In-Reply-To: <20031007053856.E26086@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <1065518682.10422.37.camel@tbird> <20031007053856.E26086@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1065569110.10422.73.camel@tbird> It was constant for about 15 minutes when I noticed it. Now if it kick off at 4:00am means it ran for about an hour... What would be considered a sane amount of time? I did run the updates from the 6th... On Tue, 2003-10-07 at 05:38, Jakub Jelinek wrote: > On Tue, Oct 07, 2003 at 05:24:42AM -0400, Marcus White wrote: > > G'day, > > > > This morning noticed that my test laptop, Compaq Armada M700 w/128 Mb > > and 400Mhz CPU, was running sluggish (even more so that is). The only > > open app, other than normal system apps and KDE, was "ooimpress". The > > "prelink" program was utilizing about 90% of the CPU. Closing > > For how long? Utilizing 90% of the CPU is nothing bad, as long as it > finishes in sane amount of time. The amount of work prelink does depends > on how many packages you've upgraded since last prelinking (on 24hrs > running boxes this is done nightly) and how many packages depend on them. > > prelink is run reniced to +19, so scheduler should give preference to > other programs. Your problem is probably that you have very small amount > of memory and are trying to run memory hog (ooimpress) at the same time > with prelinking, so they compete for memory. > > Jakub > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list -- Marcus White <1midniterider at comcast.net> From jaap_haitsma at zonnet.nl Tue Oct 7 23:26:55 2003 From: jaap_haitsma at zonnet.nl (Jaap A. Haitsma) Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 01:26:55 +0200 Subject: Volume Control Applet complains and crashes Message-ID: <3F834BBF.2010507@zonnet.nl> When I right click on the volume control and choose open volume control I get the following error message: An error occurred while loading or saving configuration information for gnome-volume-control. Some of your configuration settings may not work properly. If I then click on details I get the following error info Bad key or directory name: "/apps/gnome-volume-control/OSS-SigmaTel_STAC9721/23-1/Vol ": ` ' is an invalid character in key/directory names Bad key or directory name: "/apps/gnome-volume-control/OSS-SigmaTel_STAC9721/23-1/Pcm ": ` ' is an invalid character in key/directory names Bad key or directory name: "/apps/gnome-volume-control/OSS-SigmaTel_STAC9721/23-1/Spkr ": ` ' is an invalid character in key/directory names Bad key or directory name: "/apps/gnome-volume-control/OSS-SigmaTel_STAC9721/23-1/Line ": ` ' is an invalid character in key/directory names Bad key or directory name: "/apps/gnome-volume-control/OSS-SigmaTel_STAC9721/23-1/Mic ": ` ' is an invalid character in key/directory names Bad key or directory name: "/apps/gnome-volume-control/OSS-SigmaTel_STAC9721/23-1/CD ": ` ' is an invalid character in key/directory names Bad key or directory name: "/apps/gnome-volume-control/OSS-USB_Audio_Class_Driver-2/Mic ": ` ' is an invalid character in key/directory names These keys are indeed not present in gconf, but I guess they should have been there automagically. If I then close the window it crashes and comes with the following error?? Application "gnome-volume-control" (process 7859) has crashed due to a fatal error. (Segmentation fault) Anybody else experiencing this?? Jaap From pboy at barkhof.uni-bremen.de Tue Oct 7 23:28:17 2003 From: pboy at barkhof.uni-bremen.de (Peter Boy) Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 01:28:17 +0200 Subject: mouse quit In-Reply-To: <200310071845.16628.blindman.jones@verizon.net> References: <20031007141229.EIPX802.imf17aec.mail.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net> <200310071845.16628.blindman.jones@verizon.net> Message-ID: <1065569297.12026.2.camel@ibmLaptop.athome.de> Am Mi, den 08.10.2003 schrieb m jones um 00:45: > "configuration" screen... date, time, time zone etc... at that first screen > the mouse stops working same here with an IBM Thinkpad T40p. I didn't file a bug yet because I will retest the situation on my desktop. Peter From thacker at math.cornell.edu Tue Oct 7 23:45:31 2003 From: thacker at math.cornell.edu (John Alexander Thacker) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 19:45:31 -0400 Subject: Volume Control Applet complains and crashes In-Reply-To: <3F834BBF.2010507@zonnet.nl> References: <3F834BBF.2010507@zonnet.nl> Message-ID: <20031007234531.GA28576@thacker.dyndns.org> On Wed, Oct 08, 2003 at 01:26:55AM +0200, Jaap A. Haitsma wrote: > When I right click on the volume control and choose open volume control > I get the following error message: > > Anybody else experiencing this?? Known bug. http://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=104276 It's an upstream problem with gnome-media-2.3.7 Upgrading to any version past that, including gnome-media-2.4.0, will fix the problem. It's easy to build gnome-media-2.4.0 packages using the SPEC file from the gnome-media-2.3.7-1 source rpm, just requires changing the version line. I assume that a new package will get pushed soon fixing this, as it's both annoying and trivial to fix, even though harmless. John Thacker From otaylor at redhat.com Tue Oct 7 23:47:29 2003 From: otaylor at redhat.com (Owen Taylor) Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 19:47:29 -0400 Subject: Graphical boot issues: a.o. graphical boot twice slower then text boot!!! In-Reply-To: <3F8004E1.7020808@zonnet.nl> References: <3F8004E1.7020808@zonnet.nl> Message-ID: <1065570448.32391.20.camel@poincare.devel.redhat.com> [ CC'ing and setting Reply-To to fedora-devel ] On Sun, 2003-10-05 at 07:47, Jaap A. Haitsma wrote: > I've installed Severn including all the updates (except Mozilla because > mozilla mail seems to freeze according to all the posts on this list > after updating) on my laptop (A Dell Latitude C600). > > First thing I noticed that booting was a lot slower (I even thought the > init script was frozen). Then I changed the GRAPHICAL_BOOT variable in > /etc/syconfig/init to no. Booting time reduced from 2 minutes till 1 minute. > > The problem seems to be the kudzu service, which probes for new devices. > If I disable the kudzu service a graphical boot takes also 1 minute. > > Anybody experiencing the same thing? The problem is likely that kudzu thinks your hardware has changed and is patiently waiting on the other screen waiting you to press a key. This will add 30 seconds to the boot time. Then by disabling kudzu you gain another 8-10 seconds. Jonathan and Bill are working on a fix for this; if kudzu wants to interact with the user, a vte terminal will appear on the graphical boot screen. I did some timing of booting with and without rhgb this evening and the conclusion is that rhgb slows the entire boot (on a PIII-700 with a similar-era hard drive) by about 20 seconds, from ~1:00 to ~1:20. This slow down is virtually all in starting up rhgb ... from the point where X takes control to the point where rhgb appears on the screen is just about 20 seconds; likely this time is mostly spent simply reading in libraries from disk, though there are some puzzling factors: - When booting up without rhgb, starting gdm (X => appears on screen) takes around 10 seconds. But gdm uses all the libraries that rhgb uses and more. - gdm is no faster to start when rhgb has started before, even though many of the libraries that gdm needs should already be in ram. - Running rhgb from runlevel 3 "hot" takes about 4 seconds from X => appears on screen. - Running gdm from runlevel 3 "hot" takes about 5 seconds from X => appears on screen. Possible explanations of these facts that really don't convince me: A) Many of the libraries used by rhgb and gdm are used by various bits of the init process and are loaded parallelized with other tasks between the point that rhgb starts and the point that gdm starts. (This only makes sense if most of the load time for rhgb was non-GUI libraries. Which I don't believe.) B) One of the init steps that runs *after* we start rhgb speeds up the system by a large factor. (What? /etc/sysconfig/harddisks is run later but does nothing on this test system) Next thing I want to do is to boot into runlevel 3 and see how long rhgb takes to run cold there. (Both A) and B) predict that it should take around 9-10 seconds, so it can't distinguish between them. But if it takes much longer that would tend to disprove both of them.) Regards, Owen From Tommy.McNeely at Sun.com Tue Oct 7 23:59:14 2003 From: Tommy.McNeely at Sun.com (Tommy McNeely) Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 17:59:14 -0600 Subject: redhat-config-securitylevel vs redhat-config-firewall? References: <3F8333E0.4000308@pobox.com> <20031007224421.GA31919@nonesuch.ca.shawcable.net> <1065568444.5158.16.camel@vaio.jumanjihouse.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 07 Oct 2003 18:14:05 -0500, Paul Morgan wrote: > On Tue, 2003-10-07 at 17:44, Jack Bowling wrote: >> [quoted text muted] > > But only if it provides robust firewall editing and configuration > capabilities. Until then it is not really a firewall configurator. This is true... I cant find the "checkbox" to allow in cups traffic (tcp/631?) I just turned the firewall off ... i was only playing anyhow, and this is on the internal network for now. it needs the ability to add/edit/delete services that are to be allowed in *like the OSX firewall* :) Tommy From jbinpg at shaw.ca Wed Oct 8 00:12:13 2003 From: jbinpg at shaw.ca (Jack Bowling) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 17:12:13 -0700 Subject: redhat-config-securitylevel vs redhat-config-firewall? In-Reply-To: References: <3F8333E0.4000308@pobox.com> <20031007224421.GA31919@nonesuch.ca.shawcable.net> <1065568444.5158.16.camel@vaio.jumanjihouse.com> Message-ID: <20031008001213.GA32650@nonesuch.ca.shawcable.net> On Tue, Oct 07, 2003 at 05:59:14PM -0600, Tommy McNeely wrote: > On Tue, 07 Oct 2003 18:14:05 -0500, Paul Morgan wrote: > > > On Tue, 2003-10-07 at 17:44, Jack Bowling wrote: > >> [quoted text muted] > > > > But only if it provides robust firewall editing and configuration > > capabilities. Until then it is not really a firewall configurator. > > > This is true... I cant find the "checkbox" to allow in cups traffic > (tcp/631?) I just turned the firewall off ... i was only playing anyhow, > and this is on the internal network for now. it needs the ability to > add/edit/delete services that are to be allowed in *like the OSX firewall* :) IMHO, the number of services enabled in a standard RH install is shockingly huge. I totally agree that it should be the exact opposite of the current scheme: lock it down and let the user enable necessary services. In fact, i would argue that this is one of the main failings of a standard RH install. -- Jack Bowling mailto: jbinpg at shaw.ca From JDrabb at tampabay.rr.com Wed Oct 8 00:23:20 2003 From: JDrabb at tampabay.rr.com (James Drabb) Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 20:23:20 -0400 Subject: redhat-config-securitylevel vs redhat-config-firewall? In-Reply-To: <20031008001213.GA32650@nonesuch.ca.shawcable.net> References: <3F8333E0.4000308@pobox.com> <20031007224421.GA31919@nonesuch.ca.shawcable.net> <1065568444.5158.16.camel@vaio.jumanjihouse.com> <20031008001213.GA32650@nonesuch.ca.shawcable.net> Message-ID: <1065572600.6901.29.camel@keelie.darden.com> On Tue, 2003-10-07 at 20:12, Jack Bowling wrote: > On Tue, Oct 07, 2003 at 05:59:14PM -0600, Tommy McNeely wrote: > > On Tue, 07 Oct 2003 18:14:05 -0500, Paul Morgan wrote: > > > > > On Tue, 2003-10-07 at 17:44, Jack Bowling wrote: > > >> [quoted text muted] > > > > > > But only if it provides robust firewall editing and configuration > > > capabilities. Until then it is not really a firewall configurator. > > > > > > This is true... I cant find the "checkbox" to allow in cups traffic > > (tcp/631?) I just turned the firewall off ... i was only playing anyhow, > > and this is on the internal network for now. it needs the ability to > > add/edit/delete services that are to be allowed in *like the OSX firewall* :) > > IMHO, the number of services enabled in a standard RH install is > shockingly huge. I totally agree that it should be the exact opposite of > the current scheme: lock it down and let the user enable necessary services. In fact, i would argue that this is one of the main failings of a standard RH > install. I totally agree, there is not a real need for sendmail on a desktop PC. Most desktop users will use Evolution, Mozilla Mail, KMail, etc. which handle the SMTP and POP, so there is no reason for a MTA. I am not suggesting removing it, just disable it and make *sure* that it is not an open relay and will only handle mail for localhost. Maybe even consider switching out sendmail due to their security history for another MTA. On the firewall side, has anyone thought about including FireStarter by default? I think that is a nice little package IMO. I shows you when it blocks traffic in real-time and lets you update the firewall very easily, it even sets up NAT so easily that any noobie could do it. Just my $0.02. -- James Drabb Senior Programmer Analyst Davenport, FL USA From michal at harddata.com Wed Oct 8 00:36:23 2003 From: michal at harddata.com (Michal Jaegermann) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 18:36:23 -0600 Subject: redhat-config-securitylevel vs redhat-config-firewall? In-Reply-To: <1065572600.6901.29.camel@keelie.darden.com>; from JDrabb@tampabay.rr.com on Tue, Oct 07, 2003 at 08:23:20PM -0400 References: <3F8333E0.4000308@pobox.com> <20031007224421.GA31919@nonesuch.ca.shawcable.net> <1065568444.5158.16.camel@vaio.jumanjihouse.com> <20031008001213.GA32650@nonesuch.ca.shawcable.net> <1065572600.6901.29.camel@keelie.darden.com> Message-ID: <20031007183623.A25943@mail.harddata.com> On Tue, Oct 07, 2003 at 08:23:20PM -0400, James Drabb wrote: > > I totally agree, there is not a real need for sendmail on a desktop PC. This carping on sendmail from different quarters is getting really boring. Did you ever bother to check _how_ sendmail is configured by default, for a very long time now, and why? > Most desktop users will use Evolution, Mozilla Mail, KMail, I can assure that you will not catch me using any of these stinkers. But what _this_ has to do with the issue? > so there is no reason for a MTA. There are reasons. Michal From jgeorgeson at lopht.net Wed Oct 8 00:36:23 2003 From: jgeorgeson at lopht.net (Justin Georgeson) Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 19:36:23 -0500 Subject: updates via apt In-Reply-To: <20031006114609.40395520.matthias@rpmforge.net> References: <3F80C243.7050402@lopht.net> <20031006114609.40395520.matthias@rpmforge.net> Message-ID: <3F835C07.5060202@lopht.net> Hm, it's not picking anything up, here's my /etc/apt/sources.list rpm http://download.fedora.us/fedora/ redhat/0.94/i386 os updates \ stable testing unstable rpm-src http://download.fedora.us/fedora/ redhat/0.94/i386 os updates \ stable testing unstable rpm http://ayo.freshrpms.net/ redhat/rawhide/i386 os rpm http://rpm.livna.org/ fedora/0.94/i386 stable unstable testing rpm-src http://rpm.livna.org/ fedora/0.94/i386 stable unstable testing [root at dragon root] # rpm -q gdm gdm-2.4.4.0-2 [root at dragon root] # apt-get upgrade -u Reading Package Lists... Done Building Dependency Tree... Done 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 removed and 0 not upgraded. [root at dragon root] # Matthias Saou wrote: > Justin Georgeson wrote : > > >>Are the updates in the up2date channel for test2 going to propagate over >>to the apt repository on fedora.us? > > > I have an apt/yum rawhide repository : > > http://ayo.freshrpms.net/ > > What you want is : > > # Red Hat Linux Rawhide > rpm http://ayo.freshrpms.net/ redhat/rawhide/i386 os > # Red Hat Linux 9 freshrpms > rpm http://ayo.freshrpms.net/ redhat/9/i386 freshrpms > > And manually grab here the few packages that have different dependencies > build for Rawhide than built for 9 : > > http://ftp.freshrpms.net/pub/freshrpms/redhat/rawhide/ > > Matthias > From cochranb at speakeasy.net Wed Oct 8 00:41:13 2003 From: cochranb at speakeasy.net (Robert L Cochran) Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 20:41:13 -0400 Subject: GDM Seems fixed now... In-Reply-To: <3F833A98.1020401@speakeasy.net> References: <1065552550.6458.1.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> <3F833A98.1020401@speakeasy.net> Message-ID: <3F835D29.3090401@speakeasy.net> It's either the Xfree86 updates of today or the gdm 2.4.4.3-5...they allows me to boot my Sony Vaio PCG-F350 laptop graphically, but the touchpad mouse goes absolutely crazy. I can't do any useful work with the mouse behaving so erratically. It flies all over the screen, makes windows minimize and maximize at random. I'll try plugging in a "real" mouse just to see if that fixes it. Bob Robert L Cochran wrote: > Yes, it works for my Dell XPS T550 desktop. That is good. > > I'll apply updates to my laptop, but it will take a long time for that > machine because I haven't updated it since Saturday. > > Bob > > Christopher A. Williams wrote: > >> Today's update (10/7) also seems to have fixed my issues with GDM >> crashing as well. It's gdm-2.4.4.3-5 which I now have installed. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Chris >> >> -- >> ==================================== >> "If you get to thinkin' you're a person of some influence, >> try orderin' someone else's dog around." >> --Cowboy Wisdom >> >> >> >> -- >> fedora-test-list mailing list >> fedora-test-list at redhat.com >> http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list >> >> > -- Bob Cochran Greenbelt, Maryland, USA http://greenbeltcomputer.biz/ From 1midniterider at comcast.net Wed Oct 8 00:43:52 2003 From: 1midniterider at comcast.net (Marcus White) Date: 07 Oct 2003 20:43:52 -0400 Subject: GDM Seems fixed now.. In-Reply-To: <1065552550.6458.1.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> References: <1065552550.6458.1.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> Message-ID: <1065573831.10422.141.camel@tbird> By just installing the gdm update maxes out my CPU. "top" reveals 33% each for "irq", "softirq" and "iowait". The window manager is KDE. Again, downgraded to gdm version 2.4.4.0-2... Which also maxed out the CPU... Reinstalled gdm and remaining updates for Oct 7. Reverted to kdm... Now it shows the cpu utilization as first stated with gdm. However, gnome-system-monitor reports an entirely different story... Requires further investigation... On Tue, 2003-10-07 at 14:49, Christopher A. Williams wrote: > Today's update (10/7) also seems to have fixed my issues with GDM > crashing as well. It's gdm-2.4.4.3-5 which I now have installed. > > Cheers, > > Chris > > -- > ==================================== > "If you get to thinkin' you're a person of some influence, > try orderin' someone else's dog around." > --Cowboy Wisdom > > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list -- Marcus White <1midniterider at comcast.net> From nosp at xades.com Wed Oct 8 01:02:18 2003 From: nosp at xades.com (nosp) Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 02:02:18 +0100 Subject: updates via apt In-Reply-To: <3F835C07.5060202@lopht.net> References: <3F80C243.7050402@lopht.net> <20031006114609.40395520.matthias@rpmforge.net> <3F835C07.5060202@lopht.net> Message-ID: <1065574938.1594.47.camel@earth.xades.com> On Wed, 2003-10-08 at 01:36, Justin Georgeson wrote: > Hm, it's not picking anything up, here's my /etc/apt/sources.list Looking for the same thing -- hope the beta2 updates show up in an apt repository soon... From redhat-jc at insight.rr.com Wed Oct 8 01:44:05 2003 From: redhat-jc at insight.rr.com (Jim Cornette) Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 21:44:05 -0400 Subject: How to setup DMA on my CD-RW? (really documentation) In-Reply-To: References: <1065479567.4495.0.camel@techbyte.com.br> <200310070957.26250.hoyt@cavtel.net> <20031007153206.GA13195@orient.maison> <200310071552.39996.hoyt@cavtel.net> Message-ID: <3F836BE5.2050302@insight.rr.com> Edward C. Bailey wrote: >>>>>>"HoytDuff" == HoytDuff writes: > > > ... > HoytDuff> Fedora has a chance to really shine by leading the way in this > HoytDuff> aspect of documentation. -- Hoyt > > I (and the rest of the Red Hat Docs group, I'm sure) would love to see that > happen, but realize that the proportion of the group's time available for > Fedora work is very small (given that our bread'n'butter -- the manuals -- > did not become part of the project). Therefore, it's going to take some > heavy lifting on the part of the community to make meaningful strides in > the area of documentation... > > Ed With all of the different programs and groups. I doubt that a completely uniform system for documentation can come about easily. When I do documentation for work projects, there is differences with the formatting from legacy and newer methods for saving documentation. For finding the particular documentation, a search engine of some type has worked for our operation. I think that a search engine that brings up the basic intro for a program or process would be a handy feature. This would allow a uniform starting point. Then the differences with the formats can be addressed through links that will launch a program that will read the documentations. I use html for the info page and depend upon the associated application to launch from the browser. This works great for viewing drawings, pdf and various formatted document variations. I think that programmers would rather concentrate on developing the working code. Not on making usable and easy to follow documentation. Of course complaining about the documentation does nothing to improve it. Most things work, so my use of the documentation is lower than when first starting out. Jim -- You will receive a legacy which will place you above want. From louisg00 at bellsouth.net Wed Oct 8 01:48:23 2003 From: louisg00 at bellsouth.net (Louis Garcia) Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 21:48:23 -0400 Subject: Why am I not able to access my own bug report? Message-ID: <1065577703.3552.2.camel@tiger> I files a bug a while ago, bug#106115. I need to add some additional info but I can't. --Lou From alikins at redhat.com Wed Oct 8 02:07:08 2003 From: alikins at redhat.com (Adrian Likins) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 22:07:08 -0400 Subject: why can't up2date resume downloads? In-Reply-To: <20031007173154.P31459@redhat.com>; from veillard@redhat.com on Tue, Oct 07, 2003 at 05:31:54PM -0400 References: <200310072122.h97LM8Q10914@garfield.bwh.harvard.edu> <20031007173154.P31459@redhat.com> Message-ID: <20031007220708.F8954@redhat.com> On Tue, Oct 07, 2003 at 05:31:54PM -0400, Daniel Veillard wrote: > On Tue, Oct 07, 2003 at 05:22:08PM -0400, Andre Robatino wrote: > > As of RH 9, up2date was still incapable of resuming downloads, so that if > > the download was ended prematurely, one had to start over. This seems only > [...] > > By any chance, has this been addressed in the latest up2date? If not, are > > there any plans to fix it? > > yes, well known limitation. This has been on the white board, but I > don't think implementation is finished yet. It's definitely being addressed, > well, that was supposed to work. Looks like the version in fedora at the moment has a bug, will fix for the next release. Adrian From alikins at redhat.com Wed Oct 8 02:09:51 2003 From: alikins at redhat.com (Adrian Likins) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 22:09:51 -0400 Subject: up2date: not very bright, is it? In-Reply-To: <3F8311D8.6030205@acm.org>; from sjoerd@acm.org on Tue, Oct 07, 2003 at 09:19:52PM +0200 References: <200310070555.10830.elwoo@videotron.ca> <3F8311D8.6030205@acm.org> Message-ID: <20031007220951.G8954@redhat.com> On Tue, Oct 07, 2003 at 09:19:52PM +0200, Sjoerd Mullender wrote: > Elton Woo wrote: > > I've just launched up2date to fetch stuff from the RHN beta channel. > > Usually, I just "select all" ... and wer'e off! However, I had to > > redo my selections because the "new" and "old" versions are the > > same. > > > > You'd think that if up2date found that if it found that both versions > > were the _same_ it would automatically skip the selected package(s) > > wouldn't /shouldn't it? ... or should I enter this as an RFE? > > I've noticed this a few times myself too. I found out that I had two > versions of the same package installed. After managing to delete the > older version whilst making sure the files from the newer didn't get > deleted all was well with up2date. up2date version? it's not supposed to do that. `rpm -qa` of a before would help, if you've got it. It's supposed to check all the installed versions to see if the newest one is new enough (big issue with kernels, in particular...). Adrian From sheep at graze.net Wed Oct 8 02:29:09 2003 From: sheep at graze.net (Brian C. Huffman) Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 22:29:09 -0400 Subject: GDM Seems fixed now... In-Reply-To: <1065567194.4109.2.camel@kodiak.shivan.org> References: <1065552550.6458.1.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> <1065567194.4109.2.camel@kodiak.shivan.org> Message-ID: <1065580148.3923.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> Ummm...I second that question! Where is this mysterious -5?? Brian On Tue, 2003-10-07 at 18:53, Bruce A. Locke wrote: > On Tue, 2003-10-07 at 14:49, Christopher A. Williams wrote: > > Today's update (10/7) also seems to have fixed my issues with GDM > > crashing as well. It's gdm-2.4.4.3-5 which I now have installed. > > 2.4.4.3-3 is the newest version of gdm available from > rawhide.redhat.com, mirrors.kernel.org, and two other mirrors I checked > as of 6:52PM EST (Tuesday, October 07). > > Where did you get -5? > > Thanks. From redhat-jc at insight.rr.com Wed Oct 8 02:40:41 2003 From: redhat-jc at insight.rr.com (Jim Cornette) Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 22:40:41 -0400 Subject: Up2date from rawhide on severn2 In-Reply-To: References: <003e01c38c95$f152b150$34021eac@icontrolinc.com> Message-ID: <3F837929.7080000@insight.rr.com> Alexandre Oliva wrote: > On Oct 7, 2003, "Mark Howell" wrote: > > >>>I dont *think* I had this problem in beta1 > > > I did, but I forgot to file it. I filed it for test2 the other day. > > >>If you don't see this in bugzilla and no one follows up saying "not a bug" >>then by all means file it. > > > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=106106 > I had a problem with xterm being hosed awhile back. Uninstalling, then reinstalling it did not do the trick. I found out that the error message was correct and xterm was a directory, instead of an executable file. I deleted the directory and was able to get the latest xterm rpm to install. Additionally, there were a lot of files in the directory that were executable, but had a . (dot) and number after them. I assume these were filenames with the appended process id on them. I don't know if the problem might be of similar origin. But it might be caused by something along those lines. Jim -- Linux jcsevern 2.4.22-1.2087.nptl #1 Sat Oct 4 09:39:00 EDT 2003 i686 athlon i386 GNU/Linux From cochranb at speakeasy.net Wed Oct 8 02:50:12 2003 From: cochranb at speakeasy.net (Robert L Cochran) Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 22:50:12 -0400 Subject: GDM Seems fixed now... In-Reply-To: <1065580148.3923.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1065552550.6458.1.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> <1065567194.4109.2.camel@kodiak.shivan.org> <1065580148.3923.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <3F837B64.9000507@speakeasy.net> You get it off the RHN Severn2 beta channel. I hit them daily to check for updates. More things get fixed with each day's worth of updates. Of course, on some days they have nothing to offer. To get this lucky, if that's the way to put it: *You have to have an RHN entitlement. That will cost you around USD $60. You basically are paying Red Hat for fixes to Fedora. *You must subscribe to the RHN Severn Beta 2 channel. *You really must have a broadband internet connection to cope with the truly massive updates. Bob Brian C. Huffman wrote: > Ummm...I second that question! Where is this mysterious -5?? > > Brian > > On Tue, 2003-10-07 at 18:53, Bruce A. Locke wrote: > >>On Tue, 2003-10-07 at 14:49, Christopher A. Williams wrote: >> >>>Today's update (10/7) also seems to have fixed my issues with GDM >>>crashing as well. It's gdm-2.4.4.3-5 which I now have installed. >> >>2.4.4.3-3 is the newest version of gdm available from >>rawhide.redhat.com, mirrors.kernel.org, and two other mirrors I checked >>as of 6:52PM EST (Tuesday, October 07). >> >>Where did you get -5? >> >>Thanks. > > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > -- Bob Cochran Greenbelt, Maryland, USA http://greenbeltcomputer.biz/ From stevewa at spiritone.com Wed Oct 8 02:51:11 2003 From: stevewa at spiritone.com (Steve Ward) Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 19:51:11 -0700 Subject: new gdm doesn't fix crashes Message-ID: <3F837B9F.6060606@spiritone.com> gdm 2.4.4.3-3 does not stop crashing on my system either... From stevewa at spiritone.com Wed Oct 8 02:53:27 2003 From: stevewa at spiritone.com (Steve Ward) Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 19:53:27 -0700 Subject: 2.6.0-test6 kernel hangs Message-ID: <3F837C27.3050009@spiritone.com> Is anyone seeing the 2.6.0-test6-1.49 kernel hanging during USB initialization? 2.6.0-test6-1.48 was oopsing in the USB subsystem, I have not seen an oops in the new version, but sometimes it hangs, and sometimes it doesn't. Unplugging all USB devices seems to help, but these devices were present when 2.6.0-test5 kernels booted without problems. From notting at redhat.com Wed Oct 8 02:54:39 2003 From: notting at redhat.com (Bill Nottingham) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 22:54:39 -0400 Subject: Why am I not able to access my own bug report? In-Reply-To: <1065577703.3552.2.camel@tiger>; from louisg00@bellsouth.net on Tue, Oct 07, 2003 at 09:48:23PM -0400 References: <1065577703.3552.2.camel@tiger> Message-ID: <20031007225439.A5611@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Louis Garcia (louisg00 at bellsouth.net) said: > I files a bug a while ago, bug#106115. I need to add some additional > info but I can't. See previous messages on this list from Dave Lawrence - your bug was eaten by the RAID gods. Bill From cochranb at speakeasy.net Wed Oct 8 03:04:21 2003 From: cochranb at speakeasy.net (Robert L Cochran) Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 23:04:21 -0400 Subject: new gdm doesn't fix crashes In-Reply-To: <3F837B9F.6060606@spiritone.com> References: <3F837B9F.6060606@spiritone.com> Message-ID: <3F837EB5.5010306@speakeasy.net> Try 2.4.4.3-5. Steve Ward wrote: > gdm 2.4.4.3-3 does not stop crashing on my system either... > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > -- Bob Cochran Greenbelt, Maryland, USA http://greenbeltcomputer.biz/ From sheep at graze.net Wed Oct 8 03:08:24 2003 From: sheep at graze.net (Brian C. Huffman) Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 23:08:24 -0400 Subject: GDM Seems fixed now... In-Reply-To: <3F837B64.9000507@speakeasy.net> References: <1065552550.6458.1.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> <1065567194.4109.2.camel@kodiak.shivan.org> <1065580148.3923.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <3F837B64.9000507@speakeasy.net> Message-ID: <1065582504.3923.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> grmph...shouldn't a demo account work? It seems to see the severn beta2 channel, but still says that I'm up to date (but of course I don't have the gdm-2.4.4.3-5) :-( On Tue, 2003-10-07 at 22:50, Robert L Cochran wrote: > You get it off the RHN Severn2 beta channel. I hit them daily to check > for updates. More things get fixed with each day's worth of updates. Of > course, on some days they have nothing to offer. > > To get this lucky, if that's the way to put it: > > *You have to have an RHN entitlement. That will cost you around USD $60. > You basically are paying Red Hat for fixes to Fedora. > > *You must subscribe to the RHN Severn Beta 2 channel. > > *You really must have a broadband internet connection to cope with the > truly massive updates. > > Bob > > > Brian C. Huffman wrote: > > > Ummm...I second that question! Where is this mysterious -5?? > > > > Brian > > > > On Tue, 2003-10-07 at 18:53, Bruce A. Locke wrote: > > > >>On Tue, 2003-10-07 at 14:49, Christopher A. Williams wrote: > >> > >>>Today's update (10/7) also seems to have fixed my issues with GDM > >>>crashing as well. It's gdm-2.4.4.3-5 which I now have installed. > >> > >>2.4.4.3-3 is the newest version of gdm available from > >>rawhide.redhat.com, mirrors.kernel.org, and two other mirrors I checked > >>as of 6:52PM EST (Tuesday, October 07). > >> > >>Where did you get -5? > >> > >>Thanks. > > > > > > > > -- > > fedora-test-list mailing list > > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > > > From cochranb at speakeasy.net Wed Oct 8 03:32:51 2003 From: cochranb at speakeasy.net (Robert L Cochran) Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 23:32:51 -0400 Subject: GDM Seems fixed now... In-Reply-To: <1065582504.3923.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1065552550.6458.1.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> <1065567194.4109.2.camel@kodiak.shivan.org> <1065580148.3923.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <3F837B64.9000507@speakeasy.net> <1065582504.3923.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <3F838563.3090102@speakeasy.net> I think a Demo account should probably work? I'm not sure. I've held a Basic account for a couple years now. Let's see if another visit to RHN will help you.... Visit http://rhn.redhat.com and logon. Click the Systems tab. Click on the name of your system. You will see a link: Alter Channel Subscriptions. Click on it. Put a check mark in the box to the left of "Severn Beta 2 (i386) Updates". Click the Change Subscriptions button. Noe you should be able to get into a root shell and run up2date -u and get all the updates. I suggest running 'up2date --configure' first, and removing 'kernel*' from the list of packages not to download. You really want the new improved kernels. Now run 'up2date -u'. Bob Brian C. Huffman wrote: > grmph...shouldn't a demo account work? It seems to see the severn beta2 > channel, but still says that I'm up to date (but of course I don't have > the gdm-2.4.4.3-5) > > :-( > > On Tue, 2003-10-07 at 22:50, Robert L Cochran wrote: > >>You get it off the RHN Severn2 beta channel. I hit them daily to check >>for updates. More things get fixed with each day's worth of updates. Of >>course, on some days they have nothing to offer. >> >>To get this lucky, if that's the way to put it: >> >>*You have to have an RHN entitlement. That will cost you around USD $60. >>You basically are paying Red Hat for fixes to Fedora. >> >>*You must subscribe to the RHN Severn Beta 2 channel. >> >>*You really must have a broadband internet connection to cope with the >>truly massive updates. >> >>Bob >> >> >>Brian C. Huffman wrote: >> >> >>>Ummm...I second that question! Where is this mysterious -5?? >>> >>>Brian >>> >>>On Tue, 2003-10-07 at 18:53, Bruce A. Locke wrote: >>> >>> >>>>On Tue, 2003-10-07 at 14:49, Christopher A. Williams wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>>Today's update (10/7) also seems to have fixed my issues with GDM >>>>>crashing as well. It's gdm-2.4.4.3-5 which I now have installed. >>>> >>>>2.4.4.3-3 is the newest version of gdm available from >>>>rawhide.redhat.com, mirrors.kernel.org, and two other mirrors I checked >>>>as of 6:52PM EST (Tuesday, October 07). >>>> >>>>Where did you get -5? >>>> >>>>Thanks. >>> >>> >>> >>>-- >>>fedora-test-list mailing list >>>fedora-test-list at redhat.com >>>http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list >>> >>> > > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > -- Bob Cochran Greenbelt, Maryland, USA http://greenbeltcomputer.biz/ From jbinpg at shaw.ca Wed Oct 8 03:35:10 2003 From: jbinpg at shaw.ca (Jack Bowling) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 20:35:10 -0700 Subject: 2.6.0-test6 kernel hangs In-Reply-To: <3F837C27.3050009@spiritone.com> References: <3F837C27.3050009@spiritone.com> Message-ID: <20031008033510.GB12027@nonesuch.ca.shawcable.net> On Tue, Oct 07, 2003 at 07:53:27PM -0700, Steve Ward wrote: > Is anyone seeing the 2.6.0-test6-1.49 kernel hanging during USB > initialization? > > 2.6.0-test6-1.48 was oopsing in the USB subsystem, I have not seen an > oops in the new version, but sometimes it hangs, and sometimes it doesn't. > > Unplugging all USB devices seems to help, but these devices were present > when 2.6.0-test5 kernels booted without problems. This is a bug in the uhci-hcd.c source file in test6 and newer. Greg K-H has added the fix and fed it to Linus upstream so it should be OK for test7 provided Linus gets it in. -- Jack Bowling mailto: jbinpg at shaw.ca From linhardt at swbell.net Wed Oct 8 03:44:42 2003 From: linhardt at swbell.net (Terry R Linhardt) Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 22:44:42 -0500 Subject: syslogd causes hangs In-Reply-To: <20031007001540.A7327@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <1065498913.4599.11.camel@chastain> <20031007001540.A7327@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1065584682.2769.30.camel@chastain> Okay...I can be dumb about this. :) If I do: strace /sbin/syslogd -m 0 ... the strace exits after a second or so, although syslogd continues to run. Following is what strace captures before it exits. Does this help?: ===========Following is output from strace /sbin/syslogd -m 0====== execve("/sbin/syslogd", ["/sbin/syslogd"], [/* 21 vars */]) = 0 2 uname({sys="Linux", node="chastain", ...}) = 0 3 brk(0) = 0x9b4e000 4 open("/etc/ld.so.preload", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or dir ectory) 5 open("/etc/ld.so.cache", O_RDONLY) = 3 6 fstat64(3, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0644, st_size=67825, ...}) = 0 7 old_mmap(NULL, 67825, PROT_READ, MAP_PRIVATE, 3, 0) = 0xbf58d000 8 close(3) = 0 9 open("/lib/tls/libc.so.6", O_RDONLY) = 3 10 read(3, "\177ELF\1\1\1\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\3\0\3\0\1\0\0\0 at X\1\000"..., 51 2) = 512 11 fstat64(3, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0755, st_size=1571976, ...}) = 0 12 old_mmap(NULL, 4096, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_ANONYMOUS, -1 , 0) = 0xbf58c000 13 old_mmap(NULL, 1275244, PROT_READ|PROT_EXEC, MAP_PRIVATE, 3, 0) = 0x1110 00 14 old_mmap(0x243000, 12288, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_FIXED, 3 , 0x132000) = 0x243000 15 old_mmap(0x246000, 9580, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_FIXED|MAP _ANONYMOUS, -1, 0) = 0x246000 16 close(3) = 0 17 set_thread_area({entry_number:-1 -> 6, base_addr:0xbf58c760, limit:10485 75, seg_32bit:1, contents:0, read_exec_only:0, limit_in_pages:1, seg_not _present:0, useable:1}) = 0 18 munmap(0xbf58d000, 67825) = 0 19 getpid() = 2921 20 chdir("/") = 0 21 brk(0) = 0x9b4e000 22 brk(0x9b6f000) = 0x9b6f000 23 brk(0) = 0x9b6f000 24 open("/var/run/syslogd.pid", O_RDONLY) = 3 25 fstat64(3, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0600, st_size=5, ...}) = 0 26 mmap2(NULL, 4096, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_ANONYMOUS, -1, 0 ) = 0xbf59d000 27 read(3, "2917\n", 4096) = 5 28 close(3) = 0 29 munmap(0xbf59d000, 4096) = 0 30 getpid() = 2921 31 kill(2917, SIG_0) = -1 ESRCH (No such process) 32 clone(child_stack=0, flags=CLONE_CHILD_CLEARTID|CLONE_CHILD_SETTID|SIGCH LD, child_tidptr=0xbf58c7a8) = 2922 33 rt_sigaction(SIGTERM, {0x804bb30, [TERM], SA_RESTORER|SA_RESTART, 0x138a 18}, {SIG_DFL}, 8) = 0 34 rt_sigprocmask(SIG_BLOCK, [CHLD], [], 8) = 0 35 rt_sigaction(SIGCHLD, NULL, {SIG_DFL}, 8) = 0 36 rt_sigprocmask(SIG_SETMASK, [], NULL, 8) = 0 37 nanosleep({300, 0}, 0xbff0c8c4) = -1 EINTR (Interrupted system c all) 38 --- SIGTERM (Terminated) @ 0 (0) --- 39 exit_group(0) = ==========================End Output ============================= By the way, I have another machine on which I CANNOT duplicate this problem. But, on my "problem" machine syslogd is definitely the problem. It seems to somehow interfere with Nautilus. As noted before, mail and browser response are okay. Also, system load is not an issue. Machine remains at ~85% idle when I am having "issues". Terry On Mon, 2003-10-06 at 23:15, Bill Nottingham wrote: > Terry R Linhardt (linhardt at swbell.net) said: > > Tonight I installed updates to Beta 2. The Fedora splash screen simply > > hung. (Never went to a desktop) I got to a text screen, and did some > > poking around. Finally discovered that if I *killed* the syslogd process > > my splash screen immediately "processed" and I got a graphical desktop. > > Also, graphical access to my home directory worked like a charm. But of > > course my syslogd daemon is now dead. Oh yes, if I manually restart the > > daemon, such things as the graphical access to my home directory once > > again go into the dumper. (Although command line manipulation of the > > directory structure works without a problem). > > > > Feedback would be appreciated. > > What's sysklogd doing if you strace it? > > Bill > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list -- Terry R Linhardt From mike at netlyncs.com Wed Oct 8 03:45:11 2003 From: mike at netlyncs.com (Mike Chambers) Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 22:45:11 -0500 Subject: new gdm doesn't fix crashes In-Reply-To: <3F837B9F.6060606@spiritone.com> References: <3F837B9F.6060606@spiritone.com> Message-ID: <1065584711.3090.0.camel@bart.netlyncs.com> On Tue, 2003-10-07 at 21:51, Steve Ward wrote: > gdm 2.4.4.3-3 does not stop crashing on my system either... Try 2.4.4.3-5 from RHN updates -- Mike Chambers Madisonville, KY "Can you hear me now...GOOD!" From notting at redhat.com Wed Oct 8 03:48:13 2003 From: notting at redhat.com (Bill Nottingham) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 23:48:13 -0400 Subject: syslogd causes hangs In-Reply-To: <1065584682.2769.30.camel@chastain>; from linhardt@swbell.net on Tue, Oct 07, 2003 at 10:44:42PM -0500 References: <1065498913.4599.11.camel@chastain> <20031007001540.A7327@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1065584682.2769.30.camel@chastain> Message-ID: <20031007234813.A9685@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Terry R Linhardt (linhardt at swbell.net) said: > Okay...I can be dumb about this. :) > > If I do: strace /sbin/syslogd -m 0 ... > > the strace exits after a second or so, although syslogd continues to > run. Following is what strace captures before it exits. > Does this help?: No, you need to strace the running syslogd with strace -p `pidof syslogd` Bill From tdiehl at rogueind.com Wed Oct 8 04:13:01 2003 From: tdiehl at rogueind.com (Tom Diehl) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 00:13:01 -0400 (EDT) Subject: GDM Seems fixed now... In-Reply-To: <1065582504.3923.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On Tue, 7 Oct 2003, Brian C. Huffman wrote: > grmph...shouldn't a demo account work? It seems to see the severn beta2 > channel, but still says that I'm up to date (but of course I don't have > the gdm-2.4.4.3-5) It should also be available in rawhide but alas it is not. At least not yet. Maybe later today after 13:00 EDT. :-( -- ......Tom Registered Linux User #14522 http://counter.li.org tdiehl at rogueind.com My current SpamTrap -------> mtd123 at rogueind.com From elwoo at videotron.ca Wed Oct 8 04:34:15 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 00:34:15 -0400 Subject: up2date: not very bright, is it? In-Reply-To: <20031007220951.G8954@redhat.com> References: <200310070555.10830.elwoo@videotron.ca> <3F8311D8.6030205@acm.org> <20031007220951.G8954@redhat.com> Message-ID: <200310080034.15663.elwoo@videotron.ca> On October 7, 2003 10:09 pm, Adrian Likins > wrote: > On Tue, Oct 07, 2003 at 09:19:52PM +0200, Sjoerd Mullender wrote: > > Elton Woo wrote: > > > I've just launched up2date to fetch stuff from the RHN beta channel. > > > Usually, I just "select all" ... and wer'e off! However, I had to > > > redo my selections because the "new" and "old" versions are the > > > same. > up2date version? it's not supposed to do that. It's version 4.0.1-2. Elton. -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From hoyt at cavtel.net Wed Oct 8 04:56:38 2003 From: hoyt at cavtel.net (HoytDuff) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 00:56:38 -0400 Subject: How to setup DMA on my CD-RW? (really documentation) In-Reply-To: <3F836BE5.2050302@insight.rr.com> References: <1065479567.4495.0.camel@techbyte.com.br> <3F836BE5.2050302@insight.rr.com> Message-ID: <200310080056.38066.hoyt@cavtel.net> On Tuesday 07 October 2003 09:44 pm, Jim Cornette wrote: > I think that programmers would rather concentrate on developing the > working code. Not on making usable and easy to follow documentation. This is the standard excuse for poor documentation. That and the rationale that people who write code can't write words to describe the code they wrote. Documentation is only a low priority because management and leadership make it so. When developed hand-in-hand with the code, everyone benefits. -- Hoyt From elwoo at videotron.ca Wed Oct 8 04:42:00 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 00:42:00 -0400 Subject: Volume Control Applet complains and crashes In-Reply-To: <3F834BBF.2010507@zonnet.nl> References: <3F834BBF.2010507@zonnet.nl> Message-ID: <200310080042.00546.elwoo@videotron.ca> On October 7, 2003 07:26 pm, Jaap A. Haitsma <"Jaap A. Haitsma" > wrote: .... > Application "gnome-volume-control" (process 7859) has crashed > due to a fatal error. > (Segmentation fault) > > Anybody else experiencing this?? Yes. It also happens when in KDE. Elton -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From elwoo at videotron.ca Wed Oct 8 04:51:34 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 00:51:34 -0400 Subject: redhat-config-securitylevel vs redhat-config-firewall? In-Reply-To: <1065572600.6901.29.camel@keelie.darden.com> References: <20031008001213.GA32650@nonesuch.ca.shawcable.net> <1065572600.6901.29.camel@keelie.darden.com> Message-ID: <200310080051.34486.elwoo@videotron.ca> On October 7, 2003 08:23 pm, James Drabb > wrote: .... > On the firewall side, has anyone thought about including FireStarter by > default? I think that is a nice little package IMO. I shows you when > it blocks traffic in real-time and lets you I've only had a brief look at Firestarter. Perhaps someone should enter it in bugzilla as a RFE (before the next beta comes out). Elton -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From alikins at redhat.com Wed Oct 8 04:58:04 2003 From: alikins at redhat.com (Adrian Likins) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 00:58:04 -0400 Subject: up2date: not very bright, is it? In-Reply-To: <200310080034.15663.elwoo@videotron.ca>; from elwoo@videotron.ca on Wed, Oct 08, 2003 at 12:34:15AM -0400 References: <200310070555.10830.elwoo@videotron.ca> <3F8311D8.6030205@acm.org> <20031007220951.G8954@redhat.com> <200310080034.15663.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <20031008005804.I8954@redhat.com> On Wed, Oct 08, 2003 at 12:34:15AM -0400, Elton Woo wrote: > On October 7, 2003 10:09 pm, Adrian Likins > wrote: > > On Tue, Oct 07, 2003 at 09:19:52PM +0200, Sjoerd Mullender wrote: > > > Elton Woo wrote: > > > > I've just launched up2date to fetch stuff from the RHN beta channel. > > > > Usually, I just "select all" ... and wer'e off! However, I had to > > > > redo my selections because the "new" and "old" versions are the > > > > same. > > > up2date version? it's not supposed to do that. > > It's version 4.0.1-2. Wouldnt happen to know what versions of those packages were installed, and what versions were available? Adrian From hoyt at cavtel.net Wed Oct 8 04:59:14 2003 From: hoyt at cavtel.net (HoytDuff) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 00:59:14 -0400 Subject: kmail and kaddress-book keeps crashing.... In-Reply-To: <3F822E03.4020302@videotron.ca> References: <3F822E03.4020302@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <200310080059.14342.hoyt@cavtel.net> On Monday 06 October 2003 11:07 pm, Elton Woo wrote: > I'm totally at a loss to explain this new and unusual > behavoir on the part of kmail and / or the addressbook. Do you have adequate space in /tmp? -- Hoyt From elwoo at videotron.ca Wed Oct 8 05:06:03 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 01:06:03 -0400 Subject: kmail and kaddress-book keeps crashing.... In-Reply-To: <200310080059.14342.hoyt@cavtel.net> References: <3F822E03.4020302@videotron.ca> <200310080059.14342.hoyt@cavtel.net> Message-ID: <200310080106.03762.elwoo@videotron.ca> On October 8, 2003 12:59 am, HoytDuff > wrote: > On Monday 06 October 2003 11:07 pm, Elton Woo wrote: > > I'm totally at a loss to explain this new and unusual > > behavoir on the part of kmail and / or the addressbook. > > Do you have adequate space in /tmp? I should think so. I'm the only one using the system, so there are no directory size restrictions for my user account. Anyway, just as strangely as it started, kmail / kaddressbook stopped "misbehaving" today, and they are functioning as usual (i.e. normally). Thanks, anyway... Elton ;-) -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From Dax at GuruLabs.com Wed Oct 8 05:18:07 2003 From: Dax at GuruLabs.com (Dax Kelson) Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 23:18:07 -0600 Subject: redhat-config-securitylevel vs redhat-config-firewall? In-Reply-To: References: <3F8333E0.4000308@pobox.com> <20031007224421.GA31919@nonesuch.ca.shawcable.net> <1065568444.5158.16.camel@vaio.jumanjihouse.com> Message-ID: <1065590286.3594.1.camel@mentor.gurulabs.com> On Tue, 2003-10-07 at 17:59, Tommy McNeely wrote: > On Tue, 07 Oct 2003 18:14:05 -0500, Paul Morgan wrote: > > > On Tue, 2003-10-07 at 17:44, Jack Bowling wrote: > >> [quoted text muted] > > > > But only if it provides robust firewall editing and configuration > > capabilities. Until then it is not really a firewall configurator. > > > This is true... I cant find the "checkbox" to allow in cups traffic > (tcp/631?) I just turned the firewall off ... i was only playing anyhow, > and this is on the internal network for now. it needs the ability to > add/edit/delete services that are to be allowed in *like the OSX firewall* :) > > Tommy Tommy, you can use the tool to allow incoming traffic on designated protocols and ports. Dax Kelson Guru Labs From elwoo at videotron.ca Wed Oct 8 05:26:40 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 01:26:40 -0400 Subject: recently installed packages [long message] (was - Re: up2date: not very bright, is it?) In-Reply-To: <20031008005804.I8954@redhat.com> References: <200310070555.10830.elwoo@videotron.ca> <200310080034.15663.elwoo@videotron.ca> <20031008005804.I8954@redhat.com> Message-ID: <200310080126.40804.elwoo@videotron.ca> On October 8, 2003 12:58 am, Adrian Likins > wrote: > On Wed, Oct 08, 2003 at 12:34:15AM -0400, Elton Woo wrote: > > It's version 4.0.1-2. > > Wouldnt happen to know what versions of those > packages were installed, and what versions were > available? > My /var/log/rpmpkgs shows the following "duplicates": acpid-1.0.2-1.1.i386.rpm acpid-1.0.2-3.i386.rpm bind-utils-9.2.2-23.i386.rpm bind-utils-9.2.2.P3-1.i386.rpm binutils-2.14.90.0.6-2.i386.rpm binutils-2.14.90.0.6-3.i386.rpm bluez-sdp-1.4-1.i386.rpm bluez-sdp-1.5-1.i386.rpm Canna-3.6-20.1.i386.rpm Canna-3.6-22.i386.rpm Canna-libs-3.6-20.1.i386.rpm Canna-libs-3.6-22.i386.rpm coreutils-5.0-14.i386.rpm coreutils-5.0-20.i386.rpm cpp-3.3.1-5.i386.rpm cpp-3.3.1-6.i386.rpm cups-libs-1.1.19-12.i386.rpm cups-libs-1.1.19-13.i386.rpm db4-4.1.25-10.i386.rpm db4-4.1.25-9.i386.rpm db4-devel-4.1.25-10.i386.rpm db4-devel-4.1.25-9.i386.rpm db4-utils-4.1.25-10.i386.rpm db4-utils-4.1.25-9.i386.rpm devlabel-0.41.01-1.1.i386.rpm devlabel-0.42.05-2.i386.rpm elfutils-0.86-3.i386.rpm elfutils-0.89-2.i386.rpm elfutils-libelf-0.86-3.i386.rpm elfutils-libelf-0.89-2.i386.rpm fribidi-0.10.4-3.i386.rpm fribidi-0.10.4-4.i386.rpm gail-1.3.5-3.i386.rpm gail-1.4.0-1.i386.rpm gcc-3.3.1-5.i386.rpm gcc-3.3.1-6.i386.rpm gcc-c++-3.3.1-5.i386.rpm gcc-c++-3.3.1-6.i386.rpm gcc-g77-3.3.1-5.i386.rpm gcc-g77-3.3.1-6.i386.rpm gcc-gnat-3.3.1-5.i386.rpm gcc-gnat-3.3.1-6.i386.rpm gcc-java-3.3.1-5.i386.rpm gcc-java-3.3.1-6.i386.rpm glibc-2.3.2-91.i686.rpm glibc-2.3.2-97.i686.rpm glibc-common-2.3.2-91.i386.rpm glibc-common-2.3.2-97.i386.rpm glibc-devel-2.3.2-91.i386.rpm glibc-devel-2.3.2-97.i386.rpm glibc-headers-2.3.2-91.i386.rpm glibc-headers-2.3.2-97.i386.rpm gmp-4.1.2-6.1.i386.rpm gmp-4.1.2-7.i386.rpm gmp-devel-4.1.2-6.1.i386.rpm gmp-devel-4.1.2-7.i386.rpm gnome-python2-bonobo-2.0.0-1.i386.rpm gnome-python2-bonobo-2.0.0-2.i386.rpm gnome-python2-canvas-2.0.0-1.i386.rpm gnome-python2-canvas-2.0.0-2.i386.rpm gnome-python2-gtkhtml2-2.0.0-1.i386.rpm gnome-python2-gtkhtml2-2.0.0-2.i386.rpm gpg-pubkey-e418e3aa-3f439953.(none).rpm gpg-pubkey-e418e3aa-3f439953.(none).rpm hwdata-0.98-1.1.noarch.rpm hwdata-0.99-1.noarch.rpm initscripts-7.34-1.i386.rpm initscripts-7.35-1.i386.rpm isdn4k-utils-3.1-77.i386.rpm isdn4k-utils-3.2-2.p1.i386.rpm krb5-devel-1.3.1-5.i386.rpm krb5-devel-1.3.1-6.i386.rpm krb5-libs-1.3.1-5.i386.rpm krb5-libs-1.3.1-6.i386.rpm libf2c-3.3.1-5.i386.rpm libf2c-3.3.1-6.i386.rpm libgcc-3.3.1-5.i386.rpm libgcc-3.3.1-6.i386.rpm libgcj-3.3.1-5.i386.rpm libgcj-3.3.1-6.i386.rpm libgcj-devel-3.3.1-5.i386.rpm libgcj-devel-3.3.1-6.i386.rpm libgnat-3.3.1-5.i386.rpm libgnat-3.3.1-6.i386.rpm libjpeg-6b-28.i386.rpm libjpeg-6b-29.i386.rpm libstdc++-3.3.1-5.i386.rpm libstdc++-3.3.1-6.i386.rpm libstdc++-devel-3.3.1-5.i386.rpm libstdc++-devel-3.3.1-6.i386.rpm libtool-1.5-5.i386.rpm libtool-1.5-6.i386.rpm libtool-libs-1.5-5.i386.rpm libtool-libs-1.5-6.i386.rpm mkinitrd-3.5.13-2.i386.rpm mkinitrd-3.5.14-1.i386.rpm mktemp-1.5.1-1.i386.rpm mktemp-1.5-19.i386.rpm modutils-2.4.25-12.i386.rpm modutils-2.4.25-9.i386.rpm mozilla-nspr-1.4-12.i386.rpm mozilla-nspr-1.4.1-3.i386.rpm mozilla-nss-1.4-12.i386.rpm mozilla-nss-1.4.1-3.i386.rpm net-snmp-5.0.8-11.1.i386.rpm net-snmp-5.0.9-1.i386.rpm nmap-3.30-1.i386.rpm nmap-3.30-2.i386.rpm openjade-1.3.2-6.i386.rpm openjade-1.3.2-7.i386.rpm openmotif21-2.1.30-8.i386.rpm openmotif-2.2.2-16.1.i386.rpm openssl-0.9.7a-17.i686.rpm openssl-0.9.7a-23.i686.rpm openssl-devel-0.9.7a-17.i386.rpm openssl-devel-0.9.7a-23.i386.rpm pcre-4.2-2.i386.rpm pcre-4.4-1.i386.rpm procps-2.0.13-8.i386.rpm procps-2.0.17-1.i386.rpm samba-client-3.0.0-15.i386.rpm samba-client-3.0.0-5rc1.i386.rpm samba-common-3.0.0-15.i386.rpm samba-common-3.0.0-5rc1.i386.rpm Elton. -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From Dax at GuruLabs.com Wed Oct 8 05:35:24 2003 From: Dax at GuruLabs.com (Dax Kelson) Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 23:35:24 -0600 Subject: redhat-config-securitylevel vs redhat-config-firewall? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1065591324.3594.17.camel@mentor.gurulabs.com> On Mon, 2003-10-06 at 22:11, Tommy McNeely wrote: > WOW! I can actually use the built in firewall right out of the box (for my > laptop anyhow)... although I don't recall the option to allow ipsec vpn > traffic, its in there (50 & 51 below), and RELATED,ESTABLISHED ! YAY! > > However, I question the allowing of ALL ICMP traffic in? > -A RH-Firewall-1-INPUT -p icmp --icmp-type any -j ACCEPT > > I usually only allow "related/established" and don't have any troubles > ... actually a lot of the dumber viruses/worms pass me by cause I respond > with an error on icmp echo. ofcourse they can't infect me, and I don't > know if allowing all icmp traffic even poses a vulnerability, but I have > always blocked it? Tommy, I submitted the patch to RH that redid the core rules to be stateful. It's a good net citizen behavior to allow incoming ICMP echo requests (PING). One reason is that most DHCP servers double check IP address availability before handing out leases. My original patch allowed incoming ICMP echo requests, and packets "RELATED" to existing connections. My understanding is that RELATED should catch and allow all ICMP error messages "related" to current, valid connections. This included ICMP "need to fragment" messages. In a conservative move, as to not break things (google on ICMP need to fragment), RH changed the rules I supplied to allow all incoming ICMP messages, solicited or not. There is a current friendly disagreement (between myself and some RH folks) on if RELATED catches the ICMP error messages or not. I've not had the time to setup my lab topology to do a real live test, but I believe it does and the change RH made was unneeded. Anyway, while IMO, it isn't ideal to allow all incoming ICMP, it isn't that big of deal, the exposure is extremely minimal and likely inconsequential. Dax Kelson Guru Labs From seanc at tech-access.com Wed Oct 8 06:39:12 2003 From: seanc at tech-access.com (Sean Craig) Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 10:39:12 +0400 Subject: Mozilla-Mail attachments window - no scroll Message-ID: <3F83B110.6050701@tech-access.com> Hi All, [Using the latest mozilla-mail from up2date for FC0.94-2] When previewing a message in the main window, the attachments box does not scroll if the number of attachments is greater than can be displayed. Can anybody else replicate this? Should this be reported here or at mozilla? regards Sean Craig From jakub at redhat.com Wed Oct 8 07:12:20 2003 From: jakub at redhat.com (Jakub Jelinek) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 03:12:20 -0400 Subject: Prelink maxing out CPU In-Reply-To: <1065569110.10422.73.camel@tbird>; from 1midniterider@comcast.net on Tue, Oct 07, 2003 at 07:25:10PM -0400 References: <1065518682.10422.37.camel@tbird> <20031007053856.E26086@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1065569110.10422.73.camel@tbird> Message-ID: <20031008031220.J26086@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Tue, Oct 07, 2003 at 07:25:10PM -0400, Marcus White wrote: > It was constant for about 15 minutes when I noticed it. Now if it kick > off at 4:00am means it ran for about an hour... What would be considered > a sane amount of time? I did run the updates from the 6th... Full prelinking (e.g. if you have upgraded glibc) takes typically like 30 minutes on contemporary machines. On 400MHz/128MB box certainly longer. When nothing changed on the box, quick prelink check should take something around a minute or so. Jakub From fedora at warmcat.com Wed Oct 8 07:49:03 2003 From: fedora at warmcat.com (Andy Green) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 08:49:03 +0100 Subject: redhat-config-securitylevel vs redhat-config-firewall? In-Reply-To: <20031007183623.A25943@mail.harddata.com> References: <1065572600.6901.29.camel@keelie.darden.com> <20031007183623.A25943@mail.harddata.com> Message-ID: <200310080849.03521.fedora@warmcat.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday 08 October 2003 01:36, Michal Jaegermann wrote: > On Tue, Oct 07, 2003 at 08:23:20PM -0400, James Drabb wrote: > > I totally agree, there is not a real need for sendmail on a > > desktop PC. > > This carping on sendmail from different quarters is getting really > boring. Did you ever bother to check _how_ sendmail is configured > by default, for a very long time now, and why? > > > Most desktop users will use Evolution, Mozilla Mail, KMail, > > I can assure that you will not catch me using any of these > stinkers. But what _this_ has to do with the issue? I think he meant to imply they will be using POP3. >User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i Hm. Let he who is without stink cast the first aspersion. Kmail is pretty neat, maybe you should check it out if you didn't look at it lately. > > so there is no reason for a MTA. > > There are reasons. Specifically, several things want to send email inside a system, for example cron. I didn't know this for a long time and was surprised how nice it is to get mail from logwatch every morning allowing me to see free disc space, etc. You can configure cron on other machines to send email (look in /etc/crontab) to your main workstation too, its like a daily heartbeat check. This requires a working MTA, I remove sendmail (rpm -e sendmail) and install postfix on my machines, on the basis there has been a steady trickle of security advisories for sendmail and much less with postfix. I'm not experienced enough to make a judgement between them other than that. One other tip, you can improve security by using iptables to only let a given IP or range of IPs see your port 25 is open. Particularly if you expect relay traffic from one specific server, everyone else in the world sees nothing back from touching it. - -Andy -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/g8FvjKeDCxMJCTIRAu9wAKCCSqwiu26mY8q/7rN5C1wSUWwdYwCeNSnS UrIU32fggTAI6e5qSzqFG/4= =nkAH -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From sjoerd at acm.org Wed Oct 8 08:30:19 2003 From: sjoerd at acm.org (Sjoerd Mullender) Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 10:30:19 +0200 Subject: syslogd causes hangs In-Reply-To: <1065584682.2769.30.camel@chastain> References: <1065498913.4599.11.camel@chastain> <20031007001540.A7327@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1065584682.2769.30.camel@chastain> Message-ID: <3F83CB1B.3030303@acm.org> Terry R Linhardt wrote: > Okay...I can be dumb about this. :) > > If I do: strace /sbin/syslogd -m 0 ... > > the strace exits after a second or so, although syslogd continues to > run. Following is what strace captures before it exits. > Does this help?: look at line 32 of the trace: > 32 clone(child_stack=0, > flags=CLONE_CHILD_CLEARTID|CLONE_CHILD_SETTID|SIGCH LD, > child_tidptr=0xbf58c7a8) = 2922 syslogd forks and the child continues while the parent exits. Try giving the -d flag to syslogd to have it not fork. -- Sjoerd Mullender From hobbit at aloss.ukuu.org.uk Wed Oct 8 08:35:31 2003 From: hobbit at aloss.ukuu.org.uk (Telsa Gwynne) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 09:35:31 +0100 Subject: How to setup DMA on my CD-RW? (really documentation) In-Reply-To: <3F836BE5.2050302@insight.rr.com> References: <1065479567.4495.0.camel@techbyte.com.br> <200310070957.26250.hoyt@cavtel.net> <20031007153206.GA13195@orient.maison> <200310071552.39996.hoyt@cavtel.net> <3F836BE5.2050302@insight.rr.com> Message-ID: <20031008083531.GC15732@aloss.ukuu.org.uk> I missed the start of this thread, since the subject line says nothing about documentation at all. So I am diving in with not much context. On Tue, Oct 07, 2003 at 09:44:05PM -0400 or thereabouts, Jim Cornette wrote: > For finding the particular documentation, a search engine of some type > has worked for our operation. I think that a search engine that brings > up the basic intro for a program or process would be a handy feature. > This would allow a uniform starting point. Then the differences with the > formats can be addressed through links that will launch a program that > will read the documentations. Are you describing scrollkeeper here? http://scrollkeeper.sourceforge.net Used by KDE and Gnome and thus already shipped on distros which carry either of them. Telsa From alexl at redhat.com Wed Oct 8 08:58:40 2003 From: alexl at redhat.com (Alexander Larsson) Date: 08 Oct 2003 10:58:40 +0200 Subject: secure mode gnome session ?? In-Reply-To: <1065559654.3960.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1065548128.5324.9.camel@ibmLaptop.athome.de> <1065550093.3960.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1065558733.2384.6.camel@locutus> <1065559654.3960.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1065603520.22938.177.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2003-10-07 at 22:47, Erik Englund wrote: > On Tue, 2003-10-07 at 22:32, Bill Anderson wrote: > > On Tue, 2003-10-07 at 12:08, Erik Englund wrote: > > > Download the latest gdm package (gdm-2.4.4.3-5) and reboot your computer > > > and everything should work fine. > > > > uhhhh why the reboot? > > It didn't work for me without a reboot! first i thought it was something > wrong with that package too cause gnome didn't work even if i installed > it... i almost gave up, then i rebooted and everything worked fine... i > find that a bit strange too cause it really should be enough with > restarting x?! Running /usr/sbin/gdm-safe-restart should be enough. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Alexander Larsson Red Hat, Inc alexl at redhat.com alla at lysator.liu.se He's a witless Republican matador on a mission from God. She's a high-kicking impetuous queen of the dead from a different time and place. They fight crime! From shrek-m at gmx.de Wed Oct 8 09:08:26 2003 From: shrek-m at gmx.de (shrek-m at gmx.de) Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 11:08:26 +0200 Subject: Fonts - Humanist 521 [Gill] - Bitstream Vera Message-ID: <3F83D40A.2060601@gmx.de> hi, Q1: could it be possible to include addidional fonts like Humanist521 [Gill] Humanist777 [Frutiger] in fedora-core ? i think that the answer will be: No :-( Q2: are all Bitstream Vera Fonts included ? (i have actually no access on fedora) http://bitstream.com/categories/news/press/2003_bitstream/012203_gnome.htm eg. Humanist521BT-Bold Copyright 1990-1993 Bitstream Inc. All rights reserved.Humanst521 BTHumanist 521 BoldHumanist 521 Bold BTmfgpctt-v1.52 Wednesday, January 13, 1993 4:39:52 pm (EST) $ ls humanist521/* humanist521/PS: HU521XBC.AFM HUM521BI.AFM HUM521C.PFM HUM521LI.PFM HUM521UB.PFB HU521XBC.PFB HUM521BI.PFB HUM521I.AFM HUM521L.PFB HUM521UB.PFM HU521XBC.PFM HUM521BI.PFM HUM521I.PFB HUM521L.PFM HUM521XB.AFM HUM521B.AFM HUM521B.PFB HUM521I.PFM HUM521N.AFM HUM521XB.PFB HUM521BC.AFM HUM521B.PFM HUM521L.AFM HUM521N.PFB HUM521XB.PFM HUM521BC.PFB HUM521C.AFM HUM521LI.AFM HUM521N.PFM HUM521BC.PFM HUM521C.PFB HUM521LI.PFB HUM521UB.AFM humanist521/TTF: HU521XBC.TTF HUM521B.TTF HUM521LI.TTF HUM521UB.TTF HUM521BC.TTF HUM521C.TTF HUM521L.TTF HUM521XB.TTF HUM521BI.TTF HUM521I.TTF HUM521N.TTF -- shrek-m From harald at redhat.com Wed Oct 8 09:34:50 2003 From: harald at redhat.com (Harald Hoyer) Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 11:34:50 +0200 Subject: CD locking (was Re: is magicdev evil?) In-Reply-To: <1065477779.5053.366.camel@poincare.devel.redhat.com> References: <1065474865.5053.303.camel@poincare.devel.redhat.com> <1065475621.4154.9.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> <1065477779.5053.366.camel@poincare.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1065605689.31795.61.camel@faro.stuttgart.redhat.com> I took out O_EXCL from the cd burning apps, because the errata kernels changed their behaviour regarding to O_EXCL, so that it was impossible to burn a CD in any case. This has to be reworked with the kernel people. And btw, apps accessing the device have to open with O_EXCL also... In an ideal world, O_EXCL would block all other open attempts, so that it is sufficient to O_EXCL with the CD burning apps... sadly there is no such mechanism (yet?). Am Di, 2003-10-07 um 00.03 schrieb Owen Taylor: > On Mon, 2003-10-06 at 17:27, Christopher A. Williams wrote: > > > I noticed that magicdev seems to really interfere with XCDRoast 0.98a14 > > but not the earlier version. GNOME Toaster is also OK. 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Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil URL: From pavelr at coresma.com Wed Oct 8 10:25:56 2003 From: pavelr at coresma.com (Pavel Rosenboim) Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 12:25:56 +0200 Subject: advanced configuration options in redhar-config-xfree86 Message-ID: <3F83E634.4090406@coresma.com> Hi, redhat-config-xfree86 in RH9 has many advanced configurtion options - ability to specify monitor refresh rates, DPI, video memory size, etc. Why all these options were removed in Fedora? Pavel. From m.a.young at durham.ac.uk Wed Oct 8 07:33:49 2003 From: m.a.young at durham.ac.uk (M A Young) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 08:33:49 +0100 (BST) Subject: Prelink maxing out CPU In-Reply-To: <1065569110.10422.73.camel@tbird> Message-ID: On Wed, 7 Oct 2003, Marcus White wrote: > It was constant for about 15 minutes when I noticed it. Now if it kick > off at 4:00am means it ran for about an hour... What would be considered > a sane amount of time? I did run the updates from the 6th... There was a glibc update released about then, which I think would have meant it would have to reprelink just about everything. Even in the test cycle a typical prelinking session should take much less time. Michael Young From ossamak at nht.com.kw Wed Oct 8 10:31:59 2003 From: ossamak at nht.com.kw (Ossama Khayaat) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 13:31:59 +0300 Subject: Checking MD5SUM from CDROM copy Message-ID: <1F336C4559FF244A90D52EFEABE98AD607CC63@nimo.nhpro.kw> Hi, I searched the archives for an article about verifying a copied .iso image. I found what I need but the problem is that when I issue the command, as follows, what is the number specified after count= ? [SNIP from thread: How to check *CDROM* correctness?] [http://www.redhat.com/archives/shrike-list/2003-April/msg00637.html] # dd if=/dev/cdrom bs=2048 count=326656 | md5sum 1+0 records in 1+0 records out c99a74c555371a433d121f551d6c6398 - regards, Ossama From ossamak at nht.com.kw Wed Oct 8 10:43:11 2003 From: ossamak at nht.com.kw (Ossama Khayaat) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 13:43:11 +0300 Subject: Checking MD5SUM from CDROM copy Message-ID: <1F336C4559FF244A90D52EFEABE98AD607CC64@nimo.nhpro.kw> > Hi, > I searched the archives for an article about verifying a copied .iso > image. > I found what I need but the problem is that when I issue the command, as > follows, what is the number specified after count= ? > [SNIP from thread: How to check *CDROM* correctness?] > [http://www.redhat.com/archives/shrike-list/2003-April/msg00637.html] > # dd if=/dev/cdrom bs=2048 count=326656 | md5sum > 1+0 records in > 1+0 records out > c99a74c555371a433d121f551d6c6398 - Sorry, I checked the man page and it's number of blocks, which you can get if you use: # du /mnt/cdrom -s Ossama From rpjday at mindspring.com Wed Oct 8 10:52:49 2003 From: rpjday at mindspring.com (Robert P. J. Day) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 06:52:49 -0400 (EDT) Subject: getting pine to run under fedora 0.94 -- a couple issues In-Reply-To: <3F832BC2.5090107@pobox.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 7 Oct 2003, Jeremy Portzer wrote: > Robert P. J. Day wrote: > > > > when i asked about this on another list, i'm sure i was pointed to a > > filed bugzilla entry on this. just now, i tried to query for this report, > > but was utterly unable to find it. i tried to be as general as possible, > > "fedora", "test2", didn't even specify a status or anything. but got no > > hits. > > > > can someone provide the magic incantation that would have produced this > > bug report, based on the relevant keywords? sometimes, bugzilla can be > > maddeningly non-productive. > > > > I think you're referring to this: > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=101982 > > I found it by doing a quick search on "libcom_err.so.3" . It was filed > on the "distribution" component which maybe is why you didn't find it. > I guess this is correct because it can't be a problem with pine, since > there is no pine in FC test2, but it's also not really a problem with > kerberos, since nothing else needs this. Not sure how this can be resolved. i know, it's a tough call. even bill from red hat observes, in that bug report, that it's not proper to obsolete pine. but, OTOH, if it's not part of the official distro, there's no obligation on red hat's part to see that it still works. bummer. i like pine since it's CLI -- i have no overwhelming interest in a GUI-based email client, but i suspect i'll have to bite the bullet and move over at some point. (for people who migrated off of pine, what did you find the easiest to move to? just curious.) > In answer to someone else's question on this thread about where to get > the SRPM, you can just use the one from Red Hat Linux 9, which is a > heavily patched version of 4.44. Be sure to get the one from the > updates tree. Also, you don't need to edit the spec manually, you can > just do this command on the SRPM: > rpm --rebuild --define "nokerberos 1" pine-4.44-19.90.0.src.rpm ah, i wasn't aware of the command-line --define. but a couple of questions: 1) are you sure you mean "rpm" and not "rpmbuild"? 2) in any case, i don't see the "--define" option in the man page for either of these commands. it would have made my life much simpler if that option had been documented. or am i once again looking in the wrong place? rday p.s. i just picked up eric foster-johnson's recent RPM book. i'm guessing that that's fairly up-to-date info, so it's time to start perusing, i guess. From davej at redhat.com Wed Oct 8 11:08:49 2003 From: davej at redhat.com (Dave Jones) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 12:08:49 +0100 Subject: Graphical boot issues: a.o. graphical boot twice slower then text boot!!! In-Reply-To: <1065570448.32391.20.camel@poincare.devel.redhat.com> References: <3F8004E1.7020808@zonnet.nl> <1065570448.32391.20.camel@poincare.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20031008110849.GA705@redhat.com> On Tue, Oct 07, 2003 at 07:47:29PM -0400, Owen Taylor wrote: > This slow down is virtually all in starting up rhgb ... from the > point where X takes control to the point where rhgb appears on the > screen is just about 20 seconds; likely this time is mostly spent > simply reading in libraries from disk, though there are some puzzling > factors: > > - When booting up without rhgb, starting gdm (X => appears on screen) > takes around 10 seconds. But gdm uses all the libraries that > rhgb uses and more. > > - gdm is no faster to start when rhgb has started before, even though > many of the libraries that gdm needs should already be in ram. The restarting of X between rhgb and gdm is a killer on one box I have with onboard VIA castlerock graphics. When X starts up theres a pause of around 30 seconds. Seeing this twice per boot makes rebooting that box really painful. One day when I get time I'll oprofile X and find out what its doing that takes so long (Unless Mike already knows). X is obviously doing something wrong there, but additionally, why can't we reuse the X session we've already started for gdm ? (Asides from some tricks in gdm startup to make sure we actually did do a graphical boot, but that shouldn't be too hard). > B) One of the init steps that runs *after* we start rhgb speeds up > the system by a large factor. (What? /etc/sysconfig/harddisks > is run later but does nothing on this test system) Arjan did a profile of every binary we start up on a typical boot, that may give you some clues if you take a peek at that.. Dave -- Dave Jones http://www.codemonkey.org.uk From davej at redhat.com Wed Oct 8 11:13:00 2003 From: davej at redhat.com (Dave Jones) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 12:13:00 +0100 Subject: getting pine to run under fedora 0.94 -- a couple issues In-Reply-To: References: <3F832BC2.5090107@pobox.com> Message-ID: <20031008111259.GB705@redhat.com> On Wed, Oct 08, 2003 at 06:52:49AM -0400, Robert P. J. Day wrote: > i like pine since it's CLI -- i have no overwhelming interest in a > GUI-based email client, but i suspect i'll have to bite the bullet > and move over at some point. (for people who migrated off of pine, > what did you find the easiest to move to? just curious.) Mutt. There are even example .muttrc's out there which give you pine keybindings if you find it hard to break old habits 8-) Dave -- Dave Jones http://www.codemonkey.org.uk From shrek-m at gmx.de Wed Oct 8 11:22:35 2003 From: shrek-m at gmx.de (shrek-m at gmx.de) Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 13:22:35 +0200 Subject: advanced configuration options in redhar-config-xfree86 In-Reply-To: <3F83E634.4090406@coresma.com> References: <3F83E634.4090406@coresma.com> Message-ID: <3F83F37B.4070506@gmx.de> Pavel Rosenboim wrote: > Hi, > > redhat-config-xfree86 in RH9 has many advanced configurtion options - > ability to specify monitor refresh rates, DPI, video memory size, etc. do you really mean # redhat-config-xfree86 - under system-settings:/// -> global settings "advanced" settings, ... or do you mean $ gnome-display-properties - under preferences:/// -> per user -- shrek-m From rainer.traut at epost.de Wed Oct 8 12:19:01 2003 From: rainer.traut at epost.de (Rainer Traut) Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 14:19:01 +0200 Subject: Java crashes thoug I export LD_ASSUME_KERNEL Message-ID: <3F8400B5.6030609@epost.de> Hi, I already asked this yesterday in IRC. I'm trying to run Lotus Domino 6.5, it ships with an old JRE. On RHL9 it did the trick to do an export LD_ASSUME_KERNEL=2.2.5 But no go under fedora2. Java crashes, I already tried to disable prelinking (prelink -ua), although I doubt, anything from Domino was already prelinked? Isn't it a cron job at night? Perhaps this variable is ignored? Gruss Rainer From pavelr at coresma.com Wed Oct 8 12:26:30 2003 From: pavelr at coresma.com (Pavel Rosenboim) Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 14:26:30 +0200 Subject: advanced configuration options in redhar-config-xfree86 In-Reply-To: <3F83F37B.4070506@gmx.de> References: <3F83E634.4090406@coresma.com> <3F83F37B.4070506@gmx.de> Message-ID: <3F840276.2050607@coresma.com> shrek-m at gmx.de wrote: > Pavel Rosenboim wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> redhat-config-xfree86 in RH9 has many advanced configurtion options - >> ability to specify monitor refresh rates, DPI, video memory size, etc. > > > > do you really mean > # redhat-config-xfree86 > - under system-settings:/// > -> global settings > "advanced" settings, ... I mean redhat-config-xfree86. Many options that present in RedHat 9 are missing now. > > > or do you mean > $ gnome-display-properties > - under preferences:/// > -> per user > > From stuart.lowes at ntlworld.com Wed Oct 8 12:40:12 2003 From: stuart.lowes at ntlworld.com (Stuart Lowes) Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 13:40:12 +0100 Subject: Openoffice 1.1 broken dependencies Message-ID: <3F8405AC.7060109@ntlworld.com> Hi, I just ran up2date to get all the latest goodies (from severn 2 beta updates) but I had problems installing the latest 1.1 openoffice as it complained about a big list of broken dependencies. I deselected openoffice and was able to up2date the rest. Cheers, Stu From harald at redhat.com Wed Oct 8 13:04:11 2003 From: harald at redhat.com (Harald Hoyer) Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 15:04:11 +0200 Subject: CD locking (was Re: is magicdev evil?) In-Reply-To: <1065605689.31795.61.camel@faro.stuttgart.redhat.com> References: <1065474865.5053.303.camel@poincare.devel.redhat.com> <1065475621.4154.9.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> <1065477779.5053.366.camel@poincare.devel.redhat.com> <1065605689.31795.61.camel@faro.stuttgart.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1065618250.10158.0.camel@faro.stuttgart.redhat.com> Am Mi, 2003-10-08 um 11.34 schrieb Harald Hoyer: > I took out O_EXCL from the cd burning apps, because the errata kernels > changed their behaviour regarding to O_EXCL, so that it was impossible > to burn a CD in any case. ok... this is not true for Fedora Core (only for 9 updates). -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From jaboutboul at speakeasy.net Wed Oct 8 13:10:20 2003 From: jaboutboul at speakeasy.net (Jack Aboutboul) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 09:10:20 -0400 Subject: Initrd doesn't unmount on boot Message-ID: Hey Fellow Fedorians, Has anyone seen his happen on boot, where the initrd doesnt unmount and if so do we know why this is happening or how to fix it? Thanks, Jack From paul at frields.com Wed Oct 8 13:11:34 2003 From: paul at frields.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: 08 Oct 2003 09:11:34 -0400 Subject: GDM Seems fixed now... In-Reply-To: <3F838563.3090102@speakeasy.net> References: <1065552550.6458.1.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> <1065567194.4109.2.camel@kodiak.shivan.org> <1065580148.3923.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <3F837B64.9000507@speakeasy.net> <1065582504.3923.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <3F838563.3090102@speakeasy.net> Message-ID: <1065618694.5007.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2003-10-07 at 23:32, Robert L Cochran wrote: > I think a Demo account should probably work? I'm not sure. I've held a > Basic account for a couple years now. Let's see if another visit to RHN > will help you.... A Demo account will work fine; I'm using it for one of my FC-0.94 boxes. -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE From dennis at ausil.us Wed Oct 8 13:14:17 2003 From: dennis at ausil.us (Dennis Gilmore) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 23:14:17 +1000 Subject: Why the .org on OpenOffice In-Reply-To: <1065618401.4060.1.camel@techbyte.com.br> References: <1065618401.4060.1.camel@techbyte.com.br> Message-ID: <200310082314.22033.dennis@ausil.us> Once upon a time at band camp Wed, 8 Oct 2003 11:06 pm, Thiago Vinhas de Moraes wrote: > Does anyone know why the guys from OpenOffice do not drop the .org on > the product name? It would be a lot more professional if the name was > "OpenOffice 1.1" instead of "OpenOffice.org 1.1" don't you think? Probably yes but someone else owns the copyright for the name open office so they couldnt use that leggally it has to be OpenOffice.org not OpenOffice. someone who knows more on who owns the Open Office name and the whole situation could perhaps fill in the blanks Dennis -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: signature URL: From tvinhas at techbyte.com.br Wed Oct 8 13:19:34 2003 From: tvinhas at techbyte.com.br (Thiago Vinhas de Moraes) Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 10:19:34 -0300 Subject: Why the .org on OpenOffice In-Reply-To: <200310082314.22033.dennis@ausil.us> References: <1065618401.4060.1.camel@techbyte.com.br> <200310082314.22033.dennis@ausil.us> Message-ID: <1065619174.4060.4.camel@techbyte.com.br> Em Qua, 2003-10-08 ?s 10:14, Dennis Gilmore escreveu: > > the product name? It would be a lot more professional if the name was > > "OpenOffice 1.1" instead of "OpenOffice.org 1.1" don't you think? > > Probably yes but someone else owns the copyright for the name open office > so they couldnt use that leggally it has to be OpenOffice.org not > OpenOffice. someone who knows more on who owns the Open Office name and > the whole situation could perhaps fill in the blanks Maybe I'm just a dreamer, but if that's the problem, why don't we create a fund to buy the Open Office name from its owner? Maybe all the OpenOffice.org users helping with $10, could create an expressive fund. That's the magic of the open source community. If we stay together, and work together we can do anything we want. Regards, Thiago -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From paul at frields.com Wed Oct 8 13:28:01 2003 From: paul at frields.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: 08 Oct 2003 09:28:01 -0400 Subject: Checking MD5SUM from CDROM copy In-Reply-To: <1F336C4559FF244A90D52EFEABE98AD607CC64@nimo.nhpro.kw> References: <1F336C4559FF244A90D52EFEABE98AD607CC64@nimo.nhpro.kw> Message-ID: <1065619681.5007.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2003-10-08 at 06:43, Ossama Khayaat wrote: > > Hi, > > I searched the archives for an article about verifying a copied .iso > > image. > > I found what I need but the problem is that when I issue the > command, as > > follows, what is the number specified after count= ? > > [SNIP from thread: How to check *CDROM* correctness?] > > [http://www.redhat.com/archives/shrike-list/2003-April/msg00637.html] > > # dd if=/dev/cdrom bs=2048 count=326656 | md5sum > > 1+0 records in > > 1+0 records out > > c99a74c555371a433d121f551d6c6398 - > > Sorry, I checked the man page and it's number of blocks, which you can > get if you use: > # du /mnt/cdrom -s Ossama, If you have an MD5 sum for the whole CD, you can simply "md5sum /dev/cdrom" and the disk will be read from first sector to the last one written. If it's a Red Hat Linux or Fedora Core install CD, if you have the anaconda-runtime RPM installed, you can simply do: /usr/lib/anaconda-runtime/checkisomd5 /dev/cdrom Note that the most appropriate usage is to run against the device, and not to mount the CD for these purposes, although mounting should not affect the results on CD's. -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE From dstewart at atl.lmco.com Wed Oct 8 13:29:37 2003 From: dstewart at atl.lmco.com (Douglas Stewart) Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 09:29:37 -0400 Subject: Why the .org on OpenOffice In-Reply-To: <1065619174.4060.4.camel@techbyte.com.br> References: <1065618401.4060.1.camel@techbyte.com.br> <200310082314.22033.dennis@ausil.us> <1065619174.4060.4.camel@techbyte.com.br> Message-ID: <3F841141.2090600@atl.lmco.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Thiago Vinhas de Moraes wrote: | Em Qua, 2003-10-08 ?s 10:14, Dennis Gilmore escreveu: | | |>>the product name? It would be a lot more professional if the name was |>>"OpenOffice 1.1" instead of "OpenOffice.org 1.1" don't you think? |> |>Probably yes but someone else owns the copyright for the name open office |>so they couldnt use that leggally it has to be OpenOffice.org not |>OpenOffice. someone who knows more on who owns the Open Office name and |>the whole situation could perhaps fill in the blanks | | | | Maybe I'm just a dreamer, but if that's the problem, why don't we create | a fund to buy the Open Office name from its owner? Maybe all the | OpenOffice.org users helping with $10, could create an expressive fund. | That's the magic of the open source community. If we stay together, and | work together we can do anything we want. | | Regards, | Thiago | 'Cept I think the party in question is actually a very large software company located in Redmond, WA. - -- - ---------- Doug Stewart Systems Administrator/Web Applications Developer Lockheed Martin Advanced Technology Labs Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/hBFBN50Q8DVvcvkRAoTYAJ4q4ys+aceoe9/9R2Ct7o0SDAd9bQCfaBfE WQ9RJLO2RsHVaHks4hn7YaE= =NRh1 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From tvinhas at techbyte.com.br Wed Oct 8 13:32:19 2003 From: tvinhas at techbyte.com.br (Thiago Vinhas de Moraes) Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 10:32:19 -0300 Subject: Openoffice 1.1 broken dependencies In-Reply-To: <3F8405AC.7060109@ntlworld.com> References: <3F8405AC.7060109@ntlworld.com> Message-ID: <1065619937.4060.11.camel@techbyte.com.br> That's because the RH guys has changed the package name from openoffice-* to openoffice.org-*. You have to remove all your openoffice packages and then you run the following: up2date --get openoffice.org --nox up2date --get openoffice.org-libs --nox up2date --get openoffice.org-i18n --nox And install manually. After run up2date -p. Thiago Em Qua, 2003-10-08 ?s 09:40, Stuart Lowes escreveu: > Hi, > > I just ran up2date to get all the latest goodies (from severn 2 beta > updates) but I had problems installing the latest 1.1 openoffice as it > complained about a big list of broken dependencies. I deselected > openoffice and was able to up2date the rest. > > Cheers, > > Stu > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks, -Jonathan From pmatilai at welho.com Wed Oct 8 13:36:27 2003 From: pmatilai at welho.com (Panu Matilainen) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 16:36:27 +0300 Subject: Openoffice 1.1 broken dependencies In-Reply-To: <1065619937.4060.11.camel@techbyte.com.br> References: <3F8405AC.7060109@ntlworld.com> <1065619937.4060.11.camel@techbyte.com.br> Message-ID: <1065620187.3f8412db3e346@webmail.welho.com> Quoting Thiago Vinhas de Moraes : > > That's because the RH guys has changed the package name from > openoffice-* to openoffice.org-*. > You have to remove all your openoffice packages and then you run the > following: > up2date --get openoffice.org --nox > up2date --get openoffice.org-libs --nox > up2date --get openoffice.org-i18n --nox The real problem is that while "openoffice.org" package does correctly obsolete "openoffice but" that's not done for the -libs and -i18n packages. -- - Panu - From paroikos at myrealbox.com Wed Oct 8 13:39:53 2003 From: paroikos at myrealbox.com (Thaddeus Nielsen) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 08:39:53 -0500 Subject: Openoffice 1.1 broken dependencies In-Reply-To: <3F8405AC.7060109@ntlworld.com> References: <3F8405AC.7060109@ntlworld.com> Message-ID: <20031008133953.GA1037@martyria.localdomain> Stuart Lowes [stuart.lowes at ntlworld.com] wrote: > Hi, > > I just ran up2date to get all the latest goodies (from severn 2 beta > updates) but I had problems installing the latest 1.1 openoffice as it > complained about a big list of broken dependencies. I deselected > openoffice and was able to up2date the rest. > > Cheers, > > Stu > I downloaded mine from Sun and installed it myself - works great! Thaddeus From shrek-m at gmx.de Wed Oct 8 13:42:37 2003 From: shrek-m at gmx.de (shrek-m at gmx.de) Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 15:42:37 +0200 Subject: advanced configuration options in redhar-config-xfree86 In-Reply-To: <3F840276.2050607@coresma.com> References: <3F83E634.4090406@coresma.com> <3F83F37B.4070506@gmx.de> <3F840276.2050607@coresma.com> Message-ID: <3F84144D.6050406@gmx.de> Pavel Rosenboim wrote: > I mean redhat-config-xfree86. Many options that present in RedHat 9 > are missing now. in deed :-( redhat-config-xfree86 rhl 8.0/9 display: resolution colour-depth advanced: monitor-type: -modellname -hsync -vsync -probe dpi: -height -width -inch, mm -probe videocard: -type -driver -ram -options, add/del -probe fc-2 display: resolution colour-depth advanced: monitor-type: -hsync -vsync videocard: -type -ram multihead: - -- shrek-m From mike at netlyncs.com Wed Oct 8 14:16:53 2003 From: mike at netlyncs.com (Mike Chambers) Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 09:16:53 -0500 Subject: New RHGB in rawhide Message-ID: <1065622612.2014.4.camel@bart.netlyncs.com> Upgraded rhgb from rawhide this morning and rebooted. WOW, nice graphic change and seemed to work with no problems. Nice job Garrett (if that was you), or whoever is responsible :) -- Mike Chambers Madisonville, KY "Can you hear me now...GOOD!" From jeremyp at pobox.com Wed Oct 8 14:32:20 2003 From: jeremyp at pobox.com (Jeremy Portzer) Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 10:32:20 -0400 Subject: getting pine to run under fedora 0.94 -- a couple issues In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3F841FF4.3050102@pobox.com> Robert P. J. Day wrote: > On Tue, 7 Oct 2003, Jeremy Portzer wrote: >> Also, you don't need to edit the spec manually, you can >>just do this command on the SRPM: > > >> rpm --rebuild --define "nokerberos 1" pine-4.44-19.90.0.src.rpm > > > ah, i wasn't aware of the command-line --define. but a couple of > questions: > > 1) are you sure you mean "rpm" and not "rpmbuild"? Right, rpmbuild is the correct command on RHL 8.0 and newer. I do a lot of building still on RHL 7.3 systems where you can still use "rpm" for the build commands. I figured that was self-evident, sorry. > 2) in any case, i don't see the "--define" option in the man page > for either of these commands. it would have made my life much > simpler if that option had been documented. or am i once again > looking in the wrong place? Hmm, that is a bug I guess. It's real easy to add options to RPM due to the "popt" interface, and I guess someone forgot to document this when they added it. See /usr/lib/rpm/rpmpopt-4.2.1 for examples of this. --Jeremy -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 256 bytes Desc: not available URL: From kylem at xwell.org Wed Oct 8 15:11:14 2003 From: kylem at xwell.org (Kyle Maxwell) Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 10:11:14 -0500 Subject: New RHGB in rawhide In-Reply-To: <1065622612.2014.4.camel@bart.netlyncs.com> References: <1065622612.2014.4.camel@bart.netlyncs.com> Message-ID: <3F842912.2000508@xwell.org> Mike Chambers wrote: >Upgraded rhgb from rawhide this morning and rebooted. WOW, nice graphic >change and seemed to work with no problems. > >Nice job Garrett (if that was you), or whoever is responsible :) > > > I don't know if it's just me, but when it booted, I chose "Show Details" and the box stayed empty. I expected that there would be some updated text scrolling through there, but nada. Are my expectations misplaced or is this incorrect behavior? That said, otherwise it looks really sharp and I think that it's a giant leap forward from the previous incarnation. From dstewart at atl.lmco.com Wed Oct 8 15:17:42 2003 From: dstewart at atl.lmco.com (Douglas Stewart) Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 11:17:42 -0400 Subject: Openoffice 1.1 broken dependencies In-Reply-To: <1065619937.4060.11.camel@techbyte.com.br> References: <3F8405AC.7060109@ntlworld.com> <1065619937.4060.11.camel@techbyte.com.br> Message-ID: <3F842A96.3050901@atl.lmco.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Thiago Vinhas de Moraes wrote: | That's because the RH guys has changed the package name from | openoffice-* to openoffice.org-*. | You have to remove all your openoffice packages and then you run the | following: | up2date --get openoffice.org --nox | up2date --get openoffice.org-libs --nox | up2date --get openoffice.org-i18n --nox | | And install manually. After run up2date -p. | | Thiago | | Em Qua, 2003-10-08 ?s 09:40, Stuart Lowes escreveu: | | |>Hi, |> |>I just ran up2date to get all the latest goodies (from severn 2 beta |>updates) but I had problems installing the latest 1.1 openoffice as it |>complained about a big list of broken dependencies. I deselected |>openoffice and was able to up2date the rest. |> |>Cheers, |> |>Stu |> |> |>-- |>fedora-test-list mailing list |>fedora-test-list at redhat.com |>http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list | | One very big oddity with this approach: I removed all OO.o packages and downloaded the new 1.1 rpms and installed. Now, whenever I try to run any oo* executable, I'm prompted to install. Any idea what's up with that? - -- - ---------- Doug Stewart Systems Administrator/Web Applications Developer Lockheed Martin Advanced Technology Labs Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/hCqWN50Q8DVvcvkRApBFAJ9p/LOdQqwphkIT7TjHeEJ3omR1GQCcDhnI sqJmKrDtzL6mxhAvHtQEyMc= =4ZYs -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From tvinhas at techbyte.com.br Wed Oct 8 15:24:15 2003 From: tvinhas at techbyte.com.br (Thiago Vinhas de Moraes) Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 12:24:15 -0300 Subject: Openoffice 1.1 broken dependencies In-Reply-To: <3F842A96.3050901@atl.lmco.com> References: <3F8405AC.7060109@ntlworld.com> <1065619937.4060.11.camel@techbyte.com.br> <3F842A96.3050901@atl.lmco.com> Message-ID: <1065626655.7961.1.camel@techbyte.com.br> Em Qua, 2003-10-08 ?s 12:17, Douglas Stewart escreveu: > One very big oddity with this approach: I removed all OO.o packages and > downloaded the new 1.1 rpms and installed. Now, whenever I try to run > any oo* executable, I'm prompted to install. Any idea what's up with that? Same here. I had to remove the .openoffice directory on my user home. Thiago -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dstewart at atl.lmco.com Wed Oct 8 15:27:48 2003 From: dstewart at atl.lmco.com (Douglas Stewart) Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 11:27:48 -0400 Subject: Openoffice 1.1 broken dependencies In-Reply-To: <1065626655.7961.1.camel@techbyte.com.br> References: <3F8405AC.7060109@ntlworld.com> <1065619937.4060.11.camel@techbyte.com.br> <3F842A96.3050901@atl.lmco.com> <1065626655.7961.1.camel@techbyte.com.br> Message-ID: <3F842CF4.9060805@atl.lmco.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Thiago Vinhas de Moraes wrote: | Em Qua, 2003-10-08 ?s 12:17, Douglas Stewart escreveu: | | |>One very big oddity with this approach: I removed all OO.o packages and |>downloaded the new 1.1 rpms and installed. Now, whenever I try to run |>any oo* executable, I'm prompted to install. Any idea what's up with that? | | | | Same here. I had to remove the .openoffice directory on my user home. | | Thiago | Ahh. That did it. Excellent. - -- - ---------- Doug Stewart Systems Administrator/Web Applications Developer Lockheed Martin Advanced Technology Labs Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/hCz0N50Q8DVvcvkRAj/7AJ9ThOHqdDH4SG+Kq7I0fCo6ah7PPgCeJgnB 932eKpjXhALfW5cBeTwKOLo= =pC3W -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From whooperhsd3 at earthlink.net Wed Oct 8 15:40:53 2003 From: whooperhsd3 at earthlink.net (William Hooper) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 11:40:53 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Why the .org on OpenOffice In-Reply-To: <3F841141.2090600@atl.lmco.com> References: <1065618401.4060.1.camel@techbyte.com.br> <200310082314.22033.dennis@ausil.us> <1065619174.4060.4.camel@techbyte.com.br> <3F841141.2090600@atl.lmco.com> Message-ID: <4781.12.29.16.103.1065627653.squirrel@whooper.org> Douglas Stewart said: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Thiago Vinhas de Moraes wrote: > | Em Qua, 2003-10-08 ?s 10:14, Dennis Gilmore escreveu: > | > | > |>>the product name? It would be a lot more professional if the name was > |>>"OpenOffice 1.1" instead of "OpenOffice.org 1.1" don't you think? > |> > |>Probably yes but someone else owns the copyright for the name open > office > |>so they couldnt use that leggally it has to be OpenOffice.org not > |>OpenOffice. [snip] > 'Cept I think the party in question is actually a very large software > company located in Redmond, WA. According to the USPTO (www.uspto.gov) it was E-Mail Incorporated Corporation of Pasadena California. Interestingly enough, both "Open Office" and "OpenOffice.org" are listed as "abandoned" trademarks. -- William Hooper From eric at interplas.com Wed Oct 8 15:41:44 2003 From: eric at interplas.com (Eric Wood) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 11:41:44 -0400 Subject: Precedence: junk vs. bulk? Misbehaving RH mailing list? Message-ID: <013901c38db2$ad5f39a0$9100000a@intgrp.com> Some RH mailing lists (including this one) has "Precedence: junk" instead of the traditional "Precedence: bulk" in the email headers. Vacation autoresponders will likely reply to such lists since they don't see "bulk". Most other mail lists that I'm on (including the LKML) has "Precedence: bulk". Is there a mail gateway that's changing the "Precedence:" tag? -eric wood From pavelr at coresma.com Wed Oct 8 15:44:15 2003 From: pavelr at coresma.com (Pavel Rosenboim) Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 17:44:15 +0200 Subject: 3com 905 ethernet card problems Message-ID: <3F8430CF.1080104@coresma.com> Hi, I'm using 3com 905 (boomerang) ethernet card. In fedora it is completely non-functional. Sometimes I see messages about transmit errors on the console. This card works fine with 2.6.0-test6 kernel, but not with any of Fedora kernels. Anyone see the same behavior? I see the following error messages: Oct 8 16:19:22 qb-clientl kernel: eth1: Transmit error, Tx status register d0. Oct 8 16:19:22 qb-clientl kernel: Flags; bus-master 1, dirty 1(1) current 1(1) Oct 8 16:19:22 qb-clientl kernel: Transmit list 00000000 vs. c2b54240. Oct 8 16:19:22 qb-clientl kernel: 0: @c2b54200 length 8000002a status 8000002a Oct 8 16:19:22 qb-clientl kernel: 1: @c2b54240 length 00000000 status 00000000 Oct 8 16:19:22 qb-clientl kernel: 2: @c2b54280 length 00000000 status 00000000 Oct 8 16:19:22 qb-clientl kernel: 3: @c2b542c0 length 00000000 status 00000000 Oct 8 16:19:22 qb-clientl kernel: 4: @c2b54300 length 00000000 status 00000000 Oct 8 16:19:22 qb-clientl kernel: 5: @c2b54340 length 00000000 status 00000000 Oct 8 16:19:22 qb-clientl kernel: 6: @c2b54380 length 00000000 status 00000000 Oct 8 16:19:22 qb-clientl kernel: 7: @c2b543c0 length 00000000 status 00000000 Oct 8 16:19:22 qb-clientl kernel: 8: @c2b54400 length 00000000 status 00000000 Oct 8 16:19:22 qb-clientl kernel: 9: @c2b54440 length 00000000 status 00000000 Oct 8 16:19:22 qb-clientl kernel: 10: @c2b54480 length 00000000 status 00000000 Oct 8 16:19:22 qb-clientl kernel: 11: @c2b544c0 length 00000000 status 00000000 Oct 8 16:19:22 qb-clientl kernel: 12: @c2b54500 length 00000000 status 00000000 Oct 8 16:19:22 qb-clientl kernel: 13: @c2b54540 length 00000000 status 00000000 Oct 8 16:19:22 qb-clientl kernel: 14: @c2b54580 length 00000000 status 00000000 Oct 8 16:19:22 qb-clientl kernel: 15: @c2b545c0 length 00000000 status 00000000 Pavel. From elwoo at videotron.ca Wed Oct 8 15:51:45 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 11:51:45 -0400 Subject: up2date (4.0.1-2) still being obstinate... Message-ID: <200310081151.45202.elwoo@videotron.ca> >From RHN Beta ... here we go again: Test install failed because of package conflicts: file /usr/lib/python2.2/site-packages/gtk-2.0/gnome/__init__.pyc from install of gnome-python2-2.0.0-2 conflicts with file from package gnome-python2-canvas-2.0.0-1 file /usr/lib/python2.2/site-packages/gtk-2.0/gnome/__init__.pyo from install of gnome-python2-2.0.0-2 conflicts with file from package gnome-python2-canvas-2.0.0-1 WHY won't up2date install the newer package? Shouldn't 2.0.0-2 be newer than 2.0.0-1? Elton. -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From seyman at wanadoo.fr Wed Oct 8 15:51:08 2003 From: seyman at wanadoo.fr (Emmanuel Seyman) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 17:51:08 +0200 Subject: 3com 905 ethernet card problems In-Reply-To: <3F8430CF.1080104@coresma.com> References: <3F8430CF.1080104@coresma.com> Message-ID: <20031008155108.GA3461@orient.maison> On Wed, Oct 08, 2003 at 05:44:15PM +0200, Pavel Rosenboim wrote: > > I'm using 3com 905 (boomerang) ethernet card. In fedora it is completely > non-functional. Sometimes I see messages about transmit errors on the > console. This card works fine with 2.6.0-test6 kernel, but not with any > of Fedora kernels. Anyone see the same behavior? https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=98767 Emmanuel From 64bit_fedora at comcast.net Wed Oct 8 16:00:48 2003 From: 64bit_fedora at comcast.net (Justin M. Forbes) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 11:00:48 -0500 (CDT) Subject: 3com 905 ethernet card problems In-Reply-To: <3F8430CF.1080104@coresma.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 8 Oct 2003, Pavel Rosenboim wrote: > Hi, > > I'm using 3com 905 (boomerang) ethernet card. In fedora it is completely > non-functional. Sometimes I see messages about transmit errors on the > console. This card works fine with 2.6.0-test6 kernel, but not with any > of Fedora kernels. Anyone see the same behavior? > I saw similar behavior on my AMD64 system in 64bit mode. The answer was to boot with acpi=off (add it to your grub.conf if it works). As it is an ACPI issue, it might not be limited to 64bit kernels. More detail is available in bugzilla for taroon, https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=105917 Hope this helps, Justin M. Forbes From martin at wolkje.net Wed Oct 8 16:02:55 2003 From: martin at wolkje.net (Martin Sturm) Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 18:02:55 +0200 Subject: Openoffice 1.1 broken dependencies In-Reply-To: <3F842A96.3050901@atl.lmco.com> References: <3F8405AC.7060109@ntlworld.com> <1065619937.4060.11.camel@techbyte.com.br> <3F842A96.3050901@atl.lmco.com> Message-ID: <1065628974.5027.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hi, I installed OpenOffice.org 1.1 after removing OOo 1.0.2. But now I don't have any menu entries for OpenOffice and therefore I'm forced to start OO.o from a console or similar way. Any solution for this? Martin Sturm From aoliva at redhat.com Wed Oct 8 16:03:09 2003 From: aoliva at redhat.com (Alexandre Oliva) Date: 08 Oct 2003 13:03:09 -0300 Subject: Initrd doesn't unmount on boot In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Oct 8, 2003, Jack Aboutboul wrote: > Has anyone seen his happen on boot, where the initrd doesnt > unmount and if so do we know why this is happening or how to fix it? I'm sure I saw something in bugzilla about this, but I don't have the bug number handy. rhgb keeps /initrd busy, so it can't be umounted. -- Alexandre Oliva Enjoy Guarana', see http://www.ic.unicamp.br/~oliva/ Red Hat GCC Developer aoliva@{redhat.com, gcc.gnu.org} CS PhD student at IC-Unicamp oliva@{lsd.ic.unicamp.br, gnu.org} Free Software Evangelist Professional serial bug killer From davej at redhat.com Wed Oct 8 16:09:25 2003 From: davej at redhat.com (Dave Jones) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 17:09:25 +0100 Subject: 3com 905 ethernet card problems In-Reply-To: References: <3F8430CF.1080104@coresma.com> Message-ID: <20031008160924.GE13124@redhat.com> On Wed, Oct 08, 2003 at 11:00:48AM -0500, Justin M. Forbes wrote: > > I'm using 3com 905 (boomerang) ethernet card. In fedora it is completely > > non-functional. Sometimes I see messages about transmit errors on the > > console. This card works fine with 2.6.0-test6 kernel, but not with any > > of Fedora kernels. Anyone see the same behavior? > > I saw similar behavior on my AMD64 system in 64bit mode. The answer was > to boot with acpi=off (add it to your grub.conf if it works). As it is an > ACPI issue, it might not be limited to 64bit kernels. More detail is > available in bugzilla for taroon, > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=105917 Fedora kernel has quite a few ACPI fixes in the interrupt routing area, which Taroon doesn't have, so this shouldn't be the cause. It is possible however there are still a few corner cases. If the 3com problem goes away with acpi disabled (Ie, don't pass acpi=on or acpi=force at boot time), then there's still something still not quite right. Dave -- Dave Jones http://www.codemonkey.org.uk From otaylor at redhat.com Wed Oct 8 16:16:08 2003 From: otaylor at redhat.com (Owen Taylor) Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 12:16:08 -0400 Subject: CD locking (was Re: is magicdev evil?) In-Reply-To: <1065605689.31795.61.camel@faro.stuttgart.redhat.com> References: <1065474865.5053.303.camel@poincare.devel.redhat.com> <1065475621.4154.9.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> <1065477779.5053.366.camel@poincare.devel.redhat.com> <1065605689.31795.61.camel@faro.stuttgart.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1065629768.27163.22.camel@poincare.devel.redhat.com> On Wed, 2003-10-08 at 05:34, Harald Hoyer wrote: > I took out O_EXCL from the cd burning apps, because the errata kernels > changed their behaviour regarding to O_EXCL, so that it was impossible > to burn a CD in any case. > This has to be reworked with the kernel people. > > And btw, apps accessing the device have to open with O_EXCL also... > In an ideal world, O_EXCL would block all other open attempts, so that > it is sufficient to O_EXCL with the CD burning apps... sadly there is no > such mechanism (yet?). Well, magicdev still has the O_EXCL patch in it, even if it was removed from the burning apps. I'm not sure if that mismatch is making the current problems worse. One step forward, two steps back... Owen From elwoo at videotron.ca Wed Oct 8 16:18:25 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 12:18:25 -0400 Subject: Java crashes thoug I export LD_ASSUME_KERNEL In-Reply-To: <3F8400B5.6030609@epost.de> References: <3F8400B5.6030609@epost.de> Message-ID: <200310081218.25383.elwoo@videotron.ca> On October 8, 2003 08:19 am, Rainer Traut > wrote: > I'm trying to run Lotus Domino 6.5, it ships with an old JRE. Why not install the newer jre1_4_2_01 from Sun? ... and remove that older version... Elton ;-) -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From matthias at rpmforge.net Wed Oct 8 16:18:35 2003 From: matthias at rpmforge.net (Matthias Saou) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 18:18:35 +0200 Subject: updates via apt In-Reply-To: <3F835C07.5060202@lopht.net> References: <3F80C243.7050402@lopht.net> <20031006114609.40395520.matthias@rpmforge.net> <3F835C07.5060202@lopht.net> Message-ID: <20031008181835.69d42504.matthias@rpmforge.net> Justin Georgeson wrote : > Hm, it's not picking anything up, here's my /etc/apt/sources.list > > rpm http://download.fedora.us/fedora/ redhat/0.94/i386 os updates \ > stable testing unstable > rpm-src http://download.fedora.us/fedora/ redhat/0.94/i386 os updates \ > stable testing unstable > > > rpm http://ayo.freshrpms.net/ redhat/rawhide/i386 os > > > rpm http://rpm.livna.org/ fedora/0.94/i386 stable unstable testing > rpm-src http://rpm.livna.org/ fedora/0.94/i386 stable unstable testing > > > [root at dragon root] > # rpm -q gdm > gdm-2.4.4.0-2 > [root at dragon root] > # apt-get upgrade -u > Reading Package Lists... Done > Building Dependency Tree... Done > 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 removed and 0 not upgraded. Hmmm, well, using yum to keep my Rawhide current from ayo, I've got 2.4.4.3-3 currently installed. Did you forget to run "apt-get update" before trying to upgrade? My gdm still crashes though. Running in runlevel 3 with startx currently. Matthias -- Clean custom Red Hat Linux rpm packages : http://freshrpms.net/ Raw Hide 20031007 - Linux kernel 2.4.22-20.1.2024.2.36.nptl Load : 0.54 0.51 0.55 From m.a.young at durham.ac.uk Wed Oct 8 16:18:29 2003 From: m.a.young at durham.ac.uk (M A Young) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 17:18:29 +0100 (BST) Subject: up2date (4.0.1-2) still being obstinate... In-Reply-To: <200310081151.45202.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: On Wed, 8 Oct 2003, Elton Woo wrote: > >From RHN Beta ... here we go again: > > Test install failed because of package conflicts: > file /usr/lib/python2.2/site-packages/gtk-2.0/gnome/__init__.pyc from install > of gnome-python2-2.0.0-2 > conflicts with file from package gnome-python2-canvas-2.0.0-1 > file /usr/lib/python2.2/site-packages/gtk-2.0/gnome/__init__.pyo from install > of gnome-python2-2.0.0-2 > conflicts with file from package gnome-python2-canvas-2.0.0-1 > > WHY won't up2date install the newer package? Shouldn't > 2.0.0-2 be newer than 2.0.0-1? It looks like some files have moved between gnome-python2 and gnome-python2-canvas. Try updating both at the same time. Michael Young From pavelr at coresma.com Wed Oct 8 16:29:28 2003 From: pavelr at coresma.com (Pavel Rosenboim) Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 18:29:28 +0200 Subject: 3com 905 ethernet card problems In-Reply-To: <20031008160924.GE13124@redhat.com> References: <3F8430CF.1080104@coresma.com> <20031008160924.GE13124@redhat.com> Message-ID: <3F843B68.9020603@coresma.com> Dave Jones wrote: > On Wed, Oct 08, 2003 at 11:00:48AM -0500, Justin M. Forbes wrote: > > > I'm using 3com 905 (boomerang) ethernet card. In fedora it is completely > > > non-functional. Sometimes I see messages about transmit errors on the > > > console. This card works fine with 2.6.0-test6 kernel, but not with any > > > of Fedora kernels. Anyone see the same behavior? > > > > I saw similar behavior on my AMD64 system in 64bit mode. The answer was > > to boot with acpi=off (add it to your grub.conf if it works). As it is an > > ACPI issue, it might not be limited to 64bit kernels. More detail is > > available in bugzilla for taroon, > > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=105917 > > Fedora kernel has quite a few ACPI fixes in the interrupt routing area, > which Taroon doesn't have, so this shouldn't be the cause. > It is possible however there are still a few corner cases. > > If the 3com problem goes away with acpi disabled (Ie, don't pass > acpi=on or acpi=force at boot time), then there's still something still > not quite right. Just tried to boot with acpi=off. Same behavior. Pavel. From jgeorgeson at lopht.net Wed Oct 8 16:34:40 2003 From: jgeorgeson at lopht.net (Justin Georgeson) Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 11:34:40 -0500 Subject: updates via apt References: <3F80C243.7050402@lopht.net> <20031006114609.40395520.matthias@rpmforge.net> <3F835C07.5060202@lopht.net> <20031008181835.69d42504.matthias@rpmforge.net> Message-ID: <3F843CA0.7070203@lopht.net> Matthias Saou wrote: > > Hmmm, well, using yum to keep my Rawhide current from ayo, I've got > 2.4.4.3-3 currently installed. Did you forget to run "apt-get update" > before trying to upgrade? I did the update first. I only listed gdm as it was the first example that came to my head, to 'prove' my system isn't current. This may be a stupid question, but I don't need any rhn/up2date setup to do I? I completely removed all rhn and up2date pacakges from my system. (Don't want to pay but also don't want to freeload) [root at dragon root] # apt-get update Get:1 http://ayo.freshrpms.net redhat/rawhide/i386 release [513B] Get:2 http://download.fedora.us redhat/0.94/i386 release [2081B] Get:3 http://rpm.livna.org fedora/0.94/i386 release [1123B] Fetched 3717B in 0s (8520B/s) Hit http://ayo.freshrpms.net redhat/rawhide/i386/os pkglist Hit http://ayo.freshrpms.net redhat/rawhide/i386/os release Hit http://rpm.livna.org fedora/0.94/i386/stable pkglist Hit http://rpm.livna.org fedora/0.94/i386/stable release Hit http://rpm.livna.org fedora/0.94/i386/unstable pkglist Hit http://rpm.livna.org fedora/0.94/i386/unstable release Hit http://rpm.livna.org fedora/0.94/i386/testing pkglist Hit http://rpm.livna.org fedora/0.94/i386/testing release Hit http://rpm.livna.org fedora/0.94/i386/stable srclist Hit http://rpm.livna.org fedora/0.94/i386/unstable srclist Hit http://rpm.livna.org fedora/0.94/i386/testing srclist Hit http://download.fedora.us redhat/0.94/i386/os pkglist Hit http://download.fedora.us redhat/0.94/i386/os release Hit http://download.fedora.us redhat/0.94/i386/updates pkglist Hit http://download.fedora.us redhat/0.94/i386/updates release Hit http://download.fedora.us redhat/0.94/i386/stable pkglist Hit http://download.fedora.us redhat/0.94/i386/stable release Hit http://download.fedora.us redhat/0.94/i386/testing pkglist Hit http://download.fedora.us redhat/0.94/i386/testing release Hit http://download.fedora.us redhat/0.94/i386/unstable pkglist Hit http://download.fedora.us redhat/0.94/i386/unstable release Hit http://download.fedora.us redhat/0.94/i386/os srclist Hit http://download.fedora.us redhat/0.94/i386/updates srclist Hit http://download.fedora.us redhat/0.94/i386/stable srclist Hit http://download.fedora.us redhat/0.94/i386/testing srclist Hit http://download.fedora.us redhat/0.94/i386/unstable srclist Reading Package Lists... Done Building Dependency Tree... Done [root at dragon root] # apt-get upgrade -u Reading Package Lists... Done Building Dependency Tree... Done 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 removed and 0 not upgraded. [root at dragon root] # From katzj at redhat.com Wed Oct 8 16:52:59 2003 From: katzj at redhat.com (Jeremy Katz) Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 12:52:59 -0400 Subject: Openoffice 1.1 broken dependencies In-Reply-To: <3F8405AC.7060109@ntlworld.com> References: <3F8405AC.7060109@ntlworld.com> Message-ID: <1065631978.31248.1.camel@mirkwood.devel.redhat.com> On Wed, 2003-10-08 at 08:40, Stuart Lowes wrote: > I just ran up2date to get all the latest goodies (from severn 2 beta > updates) but I had problems installing the latest 1.1 openoffice as it > complained about a big list of broken dependencies. I deselected > openoffice and was able to up2date the rest. Yep, noticed last night and kicked off a new build (-2), removing -libs and -i18n (with --nodeps) will let you work around. Just takes long enough to build that it didn't finish by the push this morning :) Cheers, Jeremy From katzj at redhat.com Wed Oct 8 16:54:42 2003 From: katzj at redhat.com (Jeremy Katz) Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 12:54:42 -0400 Subject: Why the .org on OpenOffice In-Reply-To: <1065618401.4060.1.camel@techbyte.com.br> References: <1065618401.4060.1.camel@techbyte.com.br> Message-ID: <1065632082.31248.3.camel@mirkwood.devel.redhat.com> On Wed, 2003-10-08 at 09:06, Thiago Vinhas de Moraes wrote: > Does anyone know why the guys from OpenOffice do not drop the .org on > the product name? It would be a lot more professional if the name was > "OpenOffice 1.1" instead of "OpenOffice.org 1.1" don't you think? >From http://www.openoffice.org/FAQs/faq-other.html#6 Why should we say "OpenOffice.org" instead of simply "OpenOffice"? The trademark for "OpenOffice" belongs to someone else. Therefore we must use "OpenOffice.org" when referring to this open source project and its software. Cheers, Jeremy From davej at redhat.com Wed Oct 8 16:57:44 2003 From: davej at redhat.com (Dave Jones) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 17:57:44 +0100 Subject: 3com 905 ethernet card problems In-Reply-To: <3F843B68.9020603@coresma.com> References: <3F8430CF.1080104@coresma.com> <20031008160924.GE13124@redhat.com> <3F843B68.9020603@coresma.com> Message-ID: <20031008165744.GF13124@redhat.com> On Wed, Oct 08, 2003 at 06:29:28PM +0200, Pavel Rosenboim wrote: > >Fedora kernel has quite a few ACPI fixes in the interrupt routing area, > >which Taroon doesn't have, so this shouldn't be the cause. > >It is possible however there are still a few corner cases. > > > >If the 3com problem goes away with acpi disabled (Ie, don't pass > >acpi=on or acpi=force at boot time), then there's still something still > >not quite right. > > Just tried to boot with acpi=off. Same behavior. Ok, in one way, thats good to hear. I didn't want to have to dig up ACPI fixes again. This is one for Jeff Garzik, as it looks more like a driver bug to me. Dave -- Dave Jones http://www.codemonkey.org.uk From elwoo at videotron.ca Wed Oct 8 17:02:12 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 13:02:12 -0400 Subject: up2date (4.0.1-2) still being obstinate... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200310081302.13013.elwoo@videotron.ca> On October 8, 2003 12:18 pm, M A Young > wrote: > > WHY won't up2date install the newer package? Shouldn't > > 2.0.0-2 be newer than 2.0.0-1? > > It looks like some files have moved between gnome-python2 and > gnome-python2-canvas. Try updating both at the same time. Well it looks like I already *have* the newer version of gnome-python2-canvas installed already. Also, why is up2date (apparently) doing rpm -ivh, instead of *Uvh*? These are after just updating and a reboot: # rpm -qa | grep gnome-python gnome-python2-gtkhtml2-2.0.0-1 gnome-python2-gtkhtml2-2.0.0-2 gnome-python2-canvas-2.0.0-1 gnome-python2-2.0.0-1 gnome-python2-bonobo-2.0.0-1 gnome-python2-bonobo-2.0.0-2 gnome-python2-canvas-2.0.0-2 Likewise, up2date refuses to install open-office 1.1.0-1. NOTE: it doesn'e even *list* the current version on my system (openoffice-i18n-1.0.2-4): Test install failed because of package conflicts: file /usr/lib/openoffice/program/libadabas2.so from install of openoffice.org-libs-1.1.0-1 conflicts with file from package openoffice-libs-1.0.2-4 file /usr/lib/openoffice/program/libcached1.so from install of openoffice.org-libs-1.1.0-1 conflicts with file from package openoffice-libs-1.0.2-4 .... and a lot more conflicts that run off the dialog and screen... Elton. -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From matt-whiteley at comcast.net Wed Oct 8 17:10:38 2003 From: matt-whiteley at comcast.net (Matt Whiteley) Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 10:10:38 -0700 Subject: Openoffice 1.1 broken dependencies In-Reply-To: <1065631978.31248.1.camel@mirkwood.devel.redhat.com> References: <3F8405AC.7060109@ntlworld.com> <1065631978.31248.1.camel@mirkwood.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1065633038.1798.36.camel@galt.atlas.gotdns.org> On Wed, 2003-10-08 at 09:52, Jeremy Katz wrote: > Yep, noticed last night and kicked off a new build (-2), removing -libs > and -i18n (with --nodeps) will let you work around. Just takes long > enough to build that it didn't finish by the push this morning :) > > Cheers, > > Jeremy I did a 'rpm -e --nodeps openoffice-i18n-1.0.2-4 openoffice-libs-1.0.2-4' and then attempted to run up2date again. I now get errors like: file /usr/lib/openoffice/program/libucb1.so conflicts between attempted installs of openoffice-libs-1.0.2-4 and openoffice.org-libs-1.1.0-1 file /usr/lib/openoffice/program/libucpchelp1.so conflicts between attempted installs of openoffice-libs-1.0.2-4 and openoffice.org-libs-1.1.0-1 I didn't see a nodeps option in the up2date --help. Is there a way to force this, now that I deleted the other rpms or should I reinstall them? thanks, -- Matt Whiteley From elwoo at videotron.ca Wed Oct 8 17:11:26 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 13:11:26 -0400 Subject: KDE desktop: not many here using it? Message-ID: <200310081311.26888.elwoo@videotron.ca> I wonder if the users of KDE (here on the list) are a very small minority? I'd like to know if aqnyone else has seen this: SUMMARY: KDE Control Center does not build Help Index http://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=104478 (... in administrator mode, of course..) Elton. -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From elwoo at videotron.ca Wed Oct 8 17:14:18 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 13:14:18 -0400 Subject: Bug 104478 (was Re: KDE desktop: not many here using it? In-Reply-To: <200310081311.26888.elwoo@videotron.ca> References: <200310081311.26888.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <200310081314.18149.elwoo@videotron.ca> On October 8, 2003 01:11 pm, Elton Woo > wrote: > I wonder if the users of KDE (here on the list) are a very small > minority? I'd like to know if aqnyone else has seen this: > > SUMMARY: KDE Control Center does not build Help Index > http://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=104478 > (... in administrator mode, of course..) Correction: this report was moved to: http://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=104478 since it's a kdeadmin problem. Elton. -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From blizzard at redhat.com Wed Oct 8 17:15:04 2003 From: blizzard at redhat.com (Christopher Blizzard) Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 13:15:04 -0400 Subject: Mozilla-Mail attachments window - no scroll In-Reply-To: <3F83B110.6050701@tech-access.com> References: <3F83B110.6050701@tech-access.com> Message-ID: <3F844618.40402@redhat.com> Sean Craig wrote: > Hi All, > > [Using the latest mozilla-mail from up2date for FC0.94-2] > > When previewing a message in the main window, the attachments box does > not scroll if the number of attachments is greater than can be displayed. > Can anybody else replicate this? Should this be reported here or at > mozilla? > Probably bugzilla.mozilla.org. --Chris -- ------------ Christopher Blizzard http://people.redhat.com/blizzard/ ------------ From blizzard at redhat.com Wed Oct 8 17:17:54 2003 From: blizzard at redhat.com (Christopher Blizzard) Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 13:17:54 -0400 Subject: Thunderbird and Firebird RPMS ? In-Reply-To: <1065457089.6460.24.camel@o7344-lnx.bic-bill.com> References: <1065457089.6460.24.camel@o7344-lnx.bic-bill.com> Message-ID: <3F8446C2.6010401@redhat.com> Vidyut Luther wrote: >I'm curious if there are any plans on including Firebird, or >Thunderbird, or both, as part of the standard distribution.. I've >installed Firebird since day 1 of the Severn 2 install and it's great. I >have the nightly xft2+gtk build, and not one problem whatsoever. of >course, other people have had different experiences.. but I'm curious of >those two products would make it to the main distro, as part of a lean >install, for users like me, who have Evolution for mail, and just want >Firebird for browsing, I know I don't have to install the mozilla-mail >package, but it would be cool to not have the cruft associated with it. >If people want the full mozilla, they can. but for people like me, can i >just get an rpm ? > > > I haven't because it's somewhat difficult to have Firebird installed at the same time as the rest of the browser without completely duplicating the entire installation. And that's just a huge waste of space. --Chris -- ------------ Christopher Blizzard http://people.redhat.com/blizzard/ ------------ From jeremyp at pobox.com Wed Oct 8 17:47:30 2003 From: jeremyp at pobox.com (Jeremy Portzer) Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 13:47:30 -0400 Subject: Precedence: junk vs. bulk? Misbehaving RH mailing list? In-Reply-To: <013901c38db2$ad5f39a0$9100000a@intgrp.com> References: <013901c38db2$ad5f39a0$9100000a@intgrp.com> Message-ID: <3F844DB2.8020402@pobox.com> Eric Wood wrote: > Some RH mailing lists (including this one) has "Precedence: junk" instead of > the traditional "Precedence: bulk" in the email headers. Vacation > autoresponders will likely reply to such lists since they don't see "bulk". No, a properly configured vacation autoresponder will only reply if the recipient is listed in the "To" or "CC" field explicitly. Therefore, it will not reply to managed mailing lists, ever. Any other behavior is broken. --Jeremy -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 256 bytes Desc: not available URL: From eric at interplas.com Wed Oct 8 18:10:41 2003 From: eric at interplas.com (Eric Wood) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 14:10:41 -0400 Subject: Precedence: junk vs. bulk? Misbehaving RH mailing list? References: <013901c38db2$ad5f39a0$9100000a@intgrp.com> <3F844DB2.8020402@pobox.com> Message-ID: <00ab01c38dc7$7c3285c0$9100000a@intgrp.com> Jeremy Portzer wote: > No, a properly configured vacation autoresponder > will only reply if the recipient is listed in the "To" or > "CC" field explicitly. Therefore, it will not reply to > managed mailing lists, ever. Any other behavior is broken. I see your point but that's assuming all mail lists don't put you in the To/CC. Unfortunately I'm subscribe to a couple that do that. Ugh. Anway, out of the 20-something mail lists that I'm on, I was just wondering why RH lists are *only* ones that suffers from the "Precedence: junk" issue. No prob, to be safe I'll just hardcode a rule to never autorespond to anything at redhat.com. -eric wood From shrek-m at gmx.de Wed Oct 8 18:14:14 2003 From: shrek-m at gmx.de (shrek-m at gmx.de) Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 20:14:14 +0200 Subject: MySQL-4.0.15a Message-ID: <3F8453F6.3090908@gmx.de> hi, are there any news about MySQL-4.0.15a and Fedora Core ? http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/2003-August/msg00282.html ----snip---- joo> Its been discussed before. The short answer is the license for the 4.x joo> client libraries was to restrictive (I believe it was GPL rather LGPL) and joo> RedHat and MySQL are trying to work the whole thing out. ----snap---- http://www.mysql.com/ thanks -- shrek-m From marguz at ameritech.net Wed Oct 8 18:15:12 2003 From: marguz at ameritech.net (Mark Guzzo) Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 13:15:12 -0500 Subject: 3com 905 ethernet card problems In-Reply-To: <20031008155108.GA3461@orient.maison> References: <3F8430CF.1080104@coresma.com> <20031008155108.GA3461@orient.maison> Message-ID: <1065636911.2864.6.camel@LORDLINUX.global.shsystem.org> On Wed, 2003-10-08 at 10:51, Emmanuel Seyman wrote: > On Wed, Oct 08, 2003 at 05:44:15PM +0200, Pavel Rosenboim wrote: > > > > I'm using 3com 905 (boomerang) ethernet card. In fedora it is completely > > non-functional. Sometimes I see messages about transmit errors on the > > console. This card works fine with 2.6.0-test6 kernel, but not with any > > of Fedora kernels. Anyone see the same behavior? I too keep getting this problem when ever I update to the next Fedora Kernel (using 2.4.22-1.2087.nptl now). I fist freaked, thinking something was wrong with my card. So I rebooted with Knoppix and my NIC was fine. I then shutdown from Knoppix and came up in Fedora Beta 2 and now my NIC works. I have to do that every time I update the kernel (From Fedora). Just my experience. Mark From akabi at speakeasy.net Wed Oct 8 18:20:01 2003 From: akabi at speakeasy.net (ne...) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 14:20:01 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Openoffice 1.1 broken dependencies In-Reply-To: <1065633038.1798.36.camel@galt.atlas.gotdns.org> References: <3F8405AC.7060109@ntlworld.com> <1065631978.31248.1.camel@mirkwood.devel.redhat.com> <1065633038.1798.36.camel@galt.atlas.gotdns.org> Message-ID: On Oct 8, 2003 at 10:10, Matt Whiteley in a maddening rage wrote: >On Wed, 2003-10-08 at 09:52, Jeremy Katz wrote: >> Yep, noticed last night and kicked off a new build (-2), removing -libs >> and -i18n (with --nodeps) will let you work around. Just takes long >> enough to build that it didn't finish by the push this morning :) >> >> Cheers, >> >> Jeremy >I did a 'rpm -e --nodeps openoffice-i18n-1.0.2-4 >openoffice-libs-1.0.2-4' and then attempted to run up2date again. I now >get errors like: > >file /usr/lib/openoffice/program/libucb1.so conflicts between attempted >installs of openoffice-libs-1.0.2-4 and openoffice.org-libs-1.1.0-1 >file /usr/lib/openoffice/program/libucpchelp1.so conflicts between >attempted installs of openoffice-libs-1.0.2-4 and >openoffice.org-libs-1.1.0-1 > >I didn't see a nodeps option in the up2date --help. Is there a way to >force this, now that I deleted the other rpms or should I reinstall >them? You need to download the OOo rpms: up2date --get openoffice.org-i18n --nox up2date --get openoffice.org-libs --nox up2date --get openoffice.org --nox remove the old rpms: rpm -e openoffice openoffice-i18n openoffice-libs install the new files: rpm -ivh /var/spool/up2date/openoffice.org-*.rpm then update the up2date database: up2date -p This was posted in an earlier mail today. You may also have to delete the ~/.openoffice directory to stop the install prompt. I also got this from an earlier mail today. HTH. -- Registered Linux User # 125653 (http://counter.li.org) Switch to: http://www.speakeasy.net/refer/190653 I'll meet you... on the dark side of the moon... -- Pink Floyd 14:13:24 up 45 days, 1:47, 5 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 From glass-art at comcast.net Wed Oct 8 18:31:27 2003 From: glass-art at comcast.net (Clifford Snow) Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 11:31:27 -0700 Subject: up2date (4.0.1-2) still being obstinate... In-Reply-To: <200310081302.13013.elwoo@videotron.ca> References: <200310081302.13013.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <1065637887.15320.4.camel@blue.comcast.net> On Wed, 2003-10-08 at 10:02, Elton Woo wrote: > Well it looks like I already *have* the newer version of gnome-python2-canvas > installed already. Also, why is up2date (apparently) doing rpm -ivh, > instead of *Uvh*? These are after just updating and a reboot: > # rpm -qa | grep gnome-python > gnome-python2-gtkhtml2-2.0.0-1 > gnome-python2-gtkhtml2-2.0.0-2 > gnome-python2-canvas-2.0.0-1 > gnome-python2-2.0.0-1 > gnome-python2-bonobo-2.0.0-1 > gnome-python2-bonobo-2.0.0-2 > gnome-python2-canvas-2.0.0-2 I have been using up2date and don't see multiple versions of the same package. (see below) I just update this morning with the latest except for OpenOffice. # rpm -qa | grep gnome-python gnome-python2-gtkhtml2-2.0.0-2 gnome-python2-canvas-2.0.0-2 gnome-python2-bonobo-2.0.0-2 gnome-python2-2.0.0-2 gnome-python2-gconf-2.0.0-2 Could something else be causing your problem? Clifford From alan at redhat.com Wed Oct 8 18:32:10 2003 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 14:32:10 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Graphical boot issues: a.o. graphical boot twice slower then text boot!!! In-Reply-To: <20031008110849.GA705@redhat.com> from "Dave Jones" at Hyd 08, 2003 12:08:49 Message-ID: <200310081832.h98IWAU14124@devserv.devel.redhat.com> > The restarting of X between rhgb and gdm is a killer on one box I have > with onboard VIA castlerock graphics. When X starts up theres a pause > of around 30 seconds. Seeing this twice per boot makes rebooting that Interesting.. its about 2 seconds on mine. Mouse detect problems are the likely candidate > box really painful. One day when I get time I'll oprofile X and find > out what its doing that takes so long (Unless Mike already knows). Be aware the castlerock driver right now is totally obsolete (unless Mike updated it recently) From alan at redhat.com Wed Oct 8 18:36:25 2003 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 14:36:25 -0400 (EDT) Subject: getting pine to run under fedora 0.94 -- a couple issues In-Reply-To: from "Robert P. J. Day" at Hyd 08, 2003 06:52:49 Message-ID: <200310081836.h98IaPa16522@devserv.devel.redhat.com> > report, that it's not proper to obsolete pine. but, OTOH, if it's not > part of the official distro, there's no obligation on red hat's part to > see that it still works. bummer. I'd give good odds that pine ends up in fedora extras pretty rapidly or some other repository depnding on license matters. > GUI-based email client, but i suspect i'll have to bite the bullet > and move over at some point. (for people who migrated off of pine, > what did you find the easiest to move to? just curious.) Text mode the main candidate is mutt, and there are example muttrc files to make it more pine like. Graphically kmail works nicely if you dont have large mailboxes, sylpheed is very fast and evolution very featured (but slightly slower than a one legged tortoise swimming across a tar pit...) > p.s. i just picked up eric foster-johnson's recent RPM book. i'm > guessing that that's fairly up-to-date info, so it's time to start > perusing, i guess. You may also be able to simply install current kerberos and other libraries and rebuild the src rpm without changes. From alan at redhat.com Wed Oct 8 18:40:58 2003 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 14:40:58 -0400 (EDT) Subject: advanced configuration options in redhar-config-xfree86 In-Reply-To: <3F83E634.4090406@coresma.com> from "Pavel Rosenboim" at Hyd 08, 2003 12:25:56 Message-ID: <200310081840.h98Iewj19274@devserv.devel.redhat.com> > redhat-config-xfree86 in RH9 has many advanced configurtion options - > ability to specify monitor refresh rates, DPI, video memory size, etc. > > Why all these options were removed in Fedora? videoram is still settable using the command line option only. That or someone forgot to update the texts. The DPI are still present in the program too (including the measure your monitor dialog). Refresh rate is lacking - which is a problem because many countries have 72Hz health and safety minimums for workers using crt monitors and the tools dont seem to generate 72Hz or better in all cases they can automatically. From marguz at ameritech.net Wed Oct 8 18:41:05 2003 From: marguz at ameritech.net (Mark Guzzo) Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 13:41:05 -0500 Subject: OpenOffice1.1 in RAWHIDE? Message-ID: <1065638464.2864.15.camel@LORDLINUX.global.shsystem.org> I've installed the version of Openoffice.org from rawhide an I get this error when starting from console: oowriter Checking for existing user installation ... ... NOT FOUND Performing first-time installation for user ... /usr/lib/openoffice/program/setup.bin: relocation error: /usr/lib/openoffice/program/libucbhelper1gcc3.so: symbol _ZTIN4cppu11OWeakObjectE, version UDK_3_0_0 not defined in file libcppuhelper3gcc3.so with link time reference ... FAILED Wondering if I should remove the /usr/lib/openoffice directory and try the install again. Mark From alan at redhat.com Wed Oct 8 18:43:07 2003 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 14:43:07 -0400 (EDT) Subject: redhat-config-securitylevel vs redhat-config-firewall? In-Reply-To: <1065591324.3594.17.camel@mentor.gurulabs.com> from "Dax Kelson" at Hyd 07, 2003 11:35:24 Message-ID: <200310081843.h98Ih7q20474@devserv.devel.redhat.com> > My understanding is that RELATED should catch and allow all ICMP error > messages "related" to current, valid connections. This included ICMP > "need to fragment" messages. ICMP messages can arise from midstream routers. In that situation you can't do useful filtering really. Its a problem for ipsec where the router is untrusted by the security policy yet to ignore it might lose your connection. From thacker at math.cornell.edu Wed Oct 8 18:43:33 2003 From: thacker at math.cornell.edu (John Alexander Thacker) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 14:43:33 -0400 Subject: 3com 905 ethernet card problems In-Reply-To: <3F843B68.9020603@coresma.com> References: <3F8430CF.1080104@coresma.com> <20031008160924.GE13124@redhat.com> <3F843B68.9020603@coresma.com> Message-ID: <20031008184333.GA2824@thacker.dyndns.org> On Wed, Oct 08, 2003 at 06:29:28PM +0200, Pavel Rosenboim wrote: > Dave Jones wrote: > > >If the 3com problem goes away with acpi disabled (Ie, don't pass > >acpi=on or acpi=force at boot time), then there's still something still > >not quite right. > > Just tried to boot with acpi=off. Same behavior. I saw the same with a 3C509B. I ended up just swapping out another card, a NetGear, which worked fine. Same problem with and without ACPI. John Thacker From terraformers at gmx.net Wed Oct 8 18:48:13 2003 From: terraformers at gmx.net (lars) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 20:48:13 +0200 Subject: New RHGB in rawhide Message-ID: <200310082048.13100.terraformers@gmx.net> same here, no text, but i like the new look A LOT! lars From alan at redhat.com Wed Oct 8 18:49:39 2003 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 14:49:39 -0400 (EDT) Subject: why can't up2date resume downloads? In-Reply-To: <1065564249.2820.2.camel@cpc1-hem12-3-0-cust143.lutn.cable.ntl.com> from "Matheesha" at Hyd 07, 2003 11:04:09 Message-ID: <200310081849.h98IneM24969@devserv.devel.redhat.com> > Would making up2date a ftp based application (as opposed to http) solve > this issue? I was hoping the ftp resume facility would help here. http has better resume facilities than ftp.. From jsmith at drgutah.com Wed Oct 8 19:01:41 2003 From: jsmith at drgutah.com (Jared Smith) Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 13:01:41 -0600 Subject: New RHGB in rawhide [bugzilla #106588] In-Reply-To: <200310082048.13100.terraformers@gmx.net> References: <200310082048.13100.terraformers@gmx.net> Message-ID: <1065639701.14801.18.camel@banff.drgutah.com> On Wed, 2003-10-08 at 12:48, lars wrote: > same here, no text, but i like the new look A LOT! > > lars Me three... bugzilla #106588. Jared Smith From tjarls at iee.lu Wed Oct 8 14:01:38 2003 From: tjarls at iee.lu (Charles Lopes) Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 16:01:38 +0200 Subject: Graphical boot issues: a.o. graphical boot twice slower then text boot!!! In-Reply-To: <3F8004E1.7020808@zonnet.nl> References: <3F8004E1.7020808@zonnet.nl> Message-ID: <3F8418C2.8000204@iee.lu> Another annoying issue: When using the kernel frame buffer support (UseFBDev in XF86Config), the X display gets messed up by the text messages produced by the booting services. Anyway to work around that? Charles From elwoo at videotron.ca Wed Oct 8 19:19:46 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 15:19:46 -0400 Subject: mouse and screen lockups Message-ID: <200310081519.46552.elwoo@videotron.ca> Video subsystem: Viewsonic 17 monitor (1024 x 768 or at 1280 x 1024) - 24 bit, video card: Jaton 3-D Force (32 Mb). Logitech Optical Wheel USB mouse. System memory: 512 Mb. Athlon CPU (1.0 Gb) Whenever the screen blanker kicks in (under Gnome) the mouse freezes and I get a black screen. Sometimes the mouse would also lock up when there is a lot of system activity. I usually have to unplug it from the hub, and replug. In the case where the screen turns black, instead of running the screen saver, I have to hit the return key several times both to *find* the pointer, and to regain control of the mouse. Driver: NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-4496-pkg2.run Installed using export IGNORE_CC_MISMATCH=1 with kernel-2.4.22-1.2061.nptl For kernel-2.4.22-1.2084.nptl and kernel-2.4.22-1.2087.nptl, it was installed using export CC=gcc32. This behavoir is consistent with all 3 kernels. Has anyone else observed this behavoir? Elton -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From stuart.lowes at ntlworld.com Wed Oct 8 19:38:07 2003 From: stuart.lowes at ntlworld.com (Stuart Lowes) Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 20:38:07 +0100 Subject: Openoffice 1.1 broken dependencies In-Reply-To: <1065631978.31248.1.camel@mirkwood.devel.redhat.com> References: <3F8405AC.7060109@ntlworld.com> <1065631978.31248.1.camel@mirkwood.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <3F84679F.4030501@ntlworld.com> Jeremy Katz wrote: > On Wed, 2003-10-08 at 08:40, Stuart Lowes wrote: > >>I just ran up2date to get all the latest goodies (from severn 2 beta >>updates) but I had problems installing the latest 1.1 openoffice as it >>complained about a big list of broken dependencies. I deselected >>openoffice and was able to up2date the rest. > > > Yep, noticed last night and kicked off a new build (-2), removing -libs > and -i18n (with --nodeps) will let you work around. Just takes long > enough to build that it didn't finish by the push this morning :) > > Cheers, > > Jeremy > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > Cheers jeremy I'll try installing it via up2date in the morning :) From louisg00 at bellsouth.net Wed Oct 8 19:35:35 2003 From: louisg00 at bellsouth.net (Louis Garcia) Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 15:35:35 -0400 Subject: Why am I not able to access my own bug report? Message-ID: <1065641735.12959.1.camel@tiger> > > I files a bug a while ago, bug#106115. I need to add some additional > > info but I can't. > > See previous messages on this list from Dave Lawrence - your bug > was eaten by the RAID gods. > > Bill So should I open a new bug? From Axel.Thimm at physik.fu-berlin.de Wed Oct 8 19:52:31 2003 From: Axel.Thimm at physik.fu-berlin.de (Axel Thimm) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 21:52:31 +0200 Subject: severn2 kernel on RH9 => ldd segfaults Message-ID: <20031008195231.GA6753@puariko.nirvana> While it is probably a stupid thing to do, I have installed the latest kernel on a RH9 machine. A strange observation is that ldd sometimes segfaults on some libs: # echo 0 > /proc/sys/kernel/exec-shield # ldd /lib/libm.so.6 libc.so.6 => /lib/i686/libc.so.6 (0x4005b000) /lib/ld-linux.so.2 => /lib/ld-linux.so.2 (0x40022000) # ldd /lib/libresolv-2.3.2.so /usr/bin/ldd: line 1: 6884 Segmentation fault LD_TRACE_LOADED_OBJECTS=1 LD_WARN= LD_BIND_NOW= LD_LIBRARY_VERSION=$verify_out LD_VERBOSE= "$file" At the beginning I thought this might have something to do with exec-shield, but I turned it off as above and it still segfaults. Do I need to upgrade my glibc, or is there a way to tame the kernel? -- Axel.Thimm at physik.fu-berlin.de -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From daniel-wittenberg at starken.com Wed Oct 8 20:06:33 2003 From: daniel-wittenberg at starken.com (Daniel Wittenberg) Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 15:06:33 -0500 Subject: pcmcia strangeness Message-ID: <1065643593.2237.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> I noticed something that I can _almost_ always reproduce, not consistently though. A lot of time when I remove my pc card (Cisco Aironet 350) that my keyboard "dies" - no caps lock, nothing. BUT, I can get into setup (FN+Setup) This is an Inspiron 8200 btw. I can open new terminals with the mouse, but not type on anything, the only way I found to fix it is to power off, and power on again. Anyone else seen this ?? Dan -- ============================= Daniel Wittenberg RHCE+AS/IBM Certified Specialist President/CTO The Starken Group http://www.starken.com From iainr at zathras.org Wed Oct 8 20:07:24 2003 From: iainr at zathras.org (Iain Rae) Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 21:07:24 +0100 Subject: 3com 905 ethernet card problems In-Reply-To: <20031008184333.GA2824@thacker.dyndns.org> References: <3F8430CF.1080104@coresma.com> <20031008160924.GE13124@redhat.com> <3F843B68.9020603@coresma.com> <20031008184333.GA2824@thacker.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <3F846E7C.30408@zathras.org> John Alexander Thacker wrote: >On Wed, Oct 08, 2003 at 06:29:28PM +0200, Pavel Rosenboim wrote: > > >>Dave Jones wrote: >> >> >> >>>If the 3com problem goes away with acpi disabled (Ie, don't pass >>>acpi=on or acpi=force at boot time), then there's still something still >>>not quite right. >>> >>> >>Just tried to boot with acpi=off. Same behavior. >> >> > >I saw the same with a 3C509B. I ended up just swapping out another >card, a NetGear, which worked fine. > Hmm I hit the problem with a 905, tried another and in the end a 905B fixed it. From shrek-m at gmx.de Wed Oct 8 20:10:12 2003 From: shrek-m at gmx.de (shrek-m at gmx.de) Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 22:10:12 +0200 Subject: Why am I not able to access my own bug report? In-Reply-To: <1065641735.12959.1.camel@tiger> References: <1065641735.12959.1.camel@tiger> Message-ID: <3F846F24.9020505@gmx.de> Louis Garcia wrote: >>>I files a bug a while ago, bug#106115. I need to add some additional >>>info but I can't. >>> >>> >>See previous messages on this list from Dave Lawrence - your bug >>was eaten by the RAID gods. >> >> >So should I open a new bug? > > why not ? ---snip---- From: Dave Lawrence To: fedora-list at redhat.com Subject: Bugzilla System Back Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 20:57:38 -0400 Due to technical failures, bugzilla.redhat.com was down for a period of time on Wednesday morning EST, Oct 1st. It has since been resolved and should be accessible again. Unfortunately there was some slight data loss involved. If you filed a bug report or made any bug changes from 4:00 am EST Sept 30th to 9:00 am Oct 1st, please refile them if possible. Sorry for the inconvenience. Thanks David Lawrence Red Hat, Inc. ----snap---- -- shrek-m From thacker at math.cornell.edu Wed Oct 8 20:25:09 2003 From: thacker at math.cornell.edu (John Alexander Thacker) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 16:25:09 -0400 Subject: 3com 905 ethernet card problems In-Reply-To: <3F846E7C.30408@zathras.org> References: <3F8430CF.1080104@coresma.com> <20031008160924.GE13124@redhat.com> <3F843B68.9020603@coresma.com> <20031008184333.GA2824@thacker.dyndns.org> <3F846E7C.30408@zathras.org> Message-ID: <20031008202509.GA3963@thacker.dyndns.org> On Wed, Oct 08, 2003 at 09:07:24PM +0100, Iain Rae wrote: > John Alexander Thacker wrote: > > >I saw the same with a 3C509B. I ended up just swapping out another > >card, a NetGear, which worked fine. > > > Hmm I hit the problem with a 905, tried another and in the end a 905B > fixed it. Well, I should double check the card then. It could have just been a 3C905 instead of a 90905B. (And yes, I should have said 3C905B originally.) John From terraformers at gmx.net Wed Oct 8 20:35:13 2003 From: terraformers at gmx.net (lars) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 22:35:13 +0200 Subject: rawhide kde sound i/o question Message-ID: <200310082235.13600.terraformers@gmx.net> some time ago i switched to kde-redhat (kde-redhat.sourceforge.net) kde because there was no alsa sound system support precompiled for it at that time for the rawhide one. anyone using a recent rawhide kde can comment if its still not switched on, or can you select alsa support now in "control-center>sound&multimedia>sound system>sound i/o - sound i/o method" ? thanks lars From notting at redhat.com Wed Oct 8 20:43:15 2003 From: notting at redhat.com (Bill Nottingham) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 16:43:15 -0400 Subject: Graphical boot issues: a.o. graphical boot twice slower then text boot!!! In-Reply-To: <20031008110849.GA705@redhat.com>; from davej@redhat.com on Wed, Oct 08, 2003 at 12:08:49PM +0100 References: <3F8004E1.7020808@zonnet.nl> <1065570448.32391.20.camel@poincare.devel.redhat.com> <20031008110849.GA705@redhat.com> Message-ID: <20031008164315.C32153@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Dave Jones (davej at redhat.com) said: > X is obviously doing something wrong there, but additionally, why > can't we reuse the X session we've already started for gdm ? 1) authentication, IIRC 2) keyboard map (this needs to be fixed in rhgb + X, may require X changes) Bill From tvinhas at techbyte.com.br Wed Oct 8 20:46:05 2003 From: tvinhas at techbyte.com.br (Thiago Vinhas de Moraes) Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 17:46:05 -0300 Subject: Graphical boot issues: a.o. graphical boot twice slower then text boot!!! In-Reply-To: <20031008164315.C32153@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <3F8004E1.7020808@zonnet.nl> <1065570448.32391.20.camel@poincare.devel.redhat.com> <20031008110849.GA705@redhat.com> <20031008164315.C32153@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1065645965.4074.2.camel@techbyte.com.br> Em Qua, 2003-10-08 ?s 17:43, Bill Nottingham escreveu: > Dave Jones (davej at redhat.com) said: > > X is obviously doing something wrong there, but additionally, why > > can't we reuse the X session we've already started for gdm ? > > 1) authentication, IIRC What's the meaning of IIRC ? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Bill From notting at redhat.com Wed Oct 8 20:51:09 2003 From: notting at redhat.com (Bill Nottingham) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 16:51:09 -0400 Subject: Openoffice 1.1 broken dependencies In-Reply-To: <1065628974.5027.1.camel@localhost.localdomain>; from martin@wolkje.net on Wed, Oct 08, 2003 at 06:02:55PM +0200 References: <3F8405AC.7060109@ntlworld.com> <1065619937.4060.11.camel@techbyte.com.br> <3F842A96.3050901@atl.lmco.com> <1065628974.5027.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20031008165109.F32153@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Martin Sturm (martin at wolkje.net) said: > I installed OpenOffice.org 1.1 after removing OOo 1.0.2. But now I don't > have any menu entries for OpenOffice and therefore I'm forced to start > OO.o from a console or similar way. > > Any solution for this? Not yet, it's being investigated where the desktop files ran off to. Bill From notting at redhat.com Wed Oct 8 20:52:42 2003 From: notting at redhat.com (Bill Nottingham) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 16:52:42 -0400 Subject: Initrd doesn't unmount on boot In-Reply-To: ; from jaboutboul@speakeasy.net on Wed, Oct 08, 2003 at 09:10:20AM -0400 References: Message-ID: <20031008165242.G32153@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Jack Aboutboul (jaboutboul at speakeasy.net) said: > Has anyone seen his happen on boot, where the initrd doesnt unmount > and if so do we know why this is happening or how to fix it? It's because of rhgb keeping it busy Bill From notting at redhat.com Wed Oct 8 20:53:15 2003 From: notting at redhat.com (Bill Nottingham) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 16:53:15 -0400 Subject: New RHGB in rawhide In-Reply-To: <3F842912.2000508@xwell.org>; from kylem@xwell.org on Wed, Oct 08, 2003 at 10:11:14AM -0500 References: <1065622612.2014.4.camel@bart.netlyncs.com> <3F842912.2000508@xwell.org> Message-ID: <20031008165315.H32153@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Kyle Maxwell (kylem at xwell.org) said: > and the box stayed empty. I expected that there would be some updated > text scrolling through there, but nada. Are my expectations misplaced or > is this incorrect behavior? This required a little initscripts tweak, it will be there tomorrow. Bill From notting at redhat.com Wed Oct 8 20:55:05 2003 From: notting at redhat.com (Bill Nottingham) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 16:55:05 -0400 Subject: 3com 905 ethernet card problems In-Reply-To: <3F8430CF.1080104@coresma.com>; from pavelr@coresma.com on Wed, Oct 08, 2003 at 05:44:15PM +0200 References: <3F8430CF.1080104@coresma.com> Message-ID: <20031008165505.I32153@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Pavel Rosenboim (pavelr at coresma.com) said: > I'm using 3com 905 (boomerang) ethernet card. In fedora it is completely > non-functional. Sometimes I see messages about transmit errors on the > console. This card works fine with 2.6.0-test6 kernel, but not with any > of Fedora kernels. Anyone see the same behavior? Yes, there are probably 5-10 instances of 3c59x failing completely in bugzilla; dunno what the issue is yet. Bill From chrisw01 at privatei.com Wed Oct 8 20:57:58 2003 From: chrisw01 at privatei.com (Christopher A. Williams) Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 14:57:58 -0600 Subject: Openoffice 1.1 broken dependencies In-Reply-To: <20031008165109.F32153@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <3F8405AC.7060109@ntlworld.com> <1065619937.4060.11.camel@techbyte.com.br> <3F842A96.3050901@atl.lmco.com> <1065628974.5027.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20031008165109.F32153@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1065646678.8647.3.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> On Wed, 2003-10-08 at 14:51, Bill Nottingham wrote: > Martin Sturm (martin at wolkje.net) said: > > I installed OpenOffice.org 1.1 after removing OOo 1.0.2. But now I don't > > have any menu entries for OpenOffice and therefore I'm forced to start > > OO.o from a console or similar way. > > > > Any solution for this? > > Not yet, it's being investigated where the desktop files ran off to. > > Bill FWIW, I found after a logging off and back on that the OOo 1.1 menus did show up again, but they were under "More Office Applications". They also have only the original OOo icons as opposed to the custom RH ones. The panel launchers all seem to work and have their RH artwork though. Cheers, Chris -- ==================================== "If you get to thinkin' you're a person of some influence, try orderin' someone else's dog around." --Cowboy Wisdom From pantz at lqt.ca Wed Oct 8 20:59:08 2003 From: pantz at lqt.ca (Paul Pianta) Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 16:59:08 -0400 Subject: Graphical boot issues: a.o. graphical boot twice slower then text boot!!! In-Reply-To: <1065645965.4074.2.camel@techbyte.com.br> References: <3F8004E1.7020808@zonnet.nl> <1065570448.32391.20.camel@poincare.devel.redhat.com> <20031008110849.GA705@redhat.com> <20031008164315.C32153@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1065645965.4074.2.camel@techbyte.com.br> Message-ID: <3F847A9C.2000301@lqt.ca> Thiago Vinhas de Moraes wrote: > Em Qua, 2003-10-08 ?s 17:43, Bill Nottingham escreveu: > >>/Dave Jones (davej at redhat.com) said: >>> X is obviously doing something wrong there, but additionally, why >>> can't we reuse the X session we've already started for gdm ? >> >>1) authentication, IIRC/ >> > > What's the meaning of IIRC ? If I Recall Correctly!! From notting at redhat.com Wed Oct 8 21:01:33 2003 From: notting at redhat.com (Bill Nottingham) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 17:01:33 -0400 Subject: Graphical boot issues: a.o. graphical boot twice slower then text boot!!! In-Reply-To: <1065645965.4074.2.camel@techbyte.com.br>; from tvinhas@techbyte.com.br on Wed, Oct 08, 2003 at 05:46:05PM -0300 References: <3F8004E1.7020808@zonnet.nl> <1065570448.32391.20.camel@poincare.devel.redhat.com> <20031008110849.GA705@redhat.com> <20031008164315.C32153@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1065645965.4074.2.camel@techbyte.com.br> Message-ID: <20031008170133.K32153@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Thiago Vinhas de Moraes (tvinhas at techbyte.com.br) said: > > 1) authentication, IIRC > > What's the meaning of IIRC ? If I Recall Correctly. Bill From tvinhas at techbyte.com.br Wed Oct 8 21:04:25 2003 From: tvinhas at techbyte.com.br (Thiago Vinhas de Moraes) Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 18:04:25 -0300 Subject: Graphical boot issues: a.o. graphical boot twice slower then text boot!!! In-Reply-To: <20031008170133.K32153@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <3F8004E1.7020808@zonnet.nl> <1065570448.32391.20.camel@poincare.devel.redhat.com> <20031008110849.GA705@redhat.com> <20031008164315.C32153@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1065645965.4074.2.camel@techbyte.com.br> <20031008170133.K32153@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1065647065.4074.4.camel@techbyte.com.br> Em Qua, 2003-10-08 ?s 18:01, Bill Nottingham escreveu: > Thiago Vinhas de Moraes (tvinhas at techbyte.com.br) said: > > > 1) authentication, IIRC > > > > What's the meaning of IIRC ? > > If I Recall Correctly. Thanks, what about FWIW ? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From xose at wanadoo.es Wed Oct 8 21:08:29 2003 From: xose at wanadoo.es (Xose Vazquez Perez) Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 23:08:29 +0200 Subject: Graphical boot issues: a.o. graphical boot twice slower then text boot!!! References: <3F8004E1.7020808@zonnet.nl> <1065570448.32391.20.camel@poincare.devel.redhat.com> <20031008110849.GA705@redhat.com> <20031008164315.C32153@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1065645965.4074.2.camel@techbyte.com.br> <20031008170133.K32153@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <3F847CCD.1060600@wanadoo.es> Bill Nottingham wrote: > Thiago Vinhas de Moraes (tvinhas at techbyte.com.br) said: > >>>1) authentication, IIRC >> >>What's the meaning of IIRC ? > > > If I Recall Correctly. English plus acronyms is a dark language but AcronymFinder is wonderful :-) http://www.acronymfinder.com/ From ted at cypress.com Wed Oct 8 21:15:20 2003 From: ted at cypress.com (Thomas Dodd) Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 16:15:20 -0500 Subject: Why the .org on OpenOffice In-Reply-To: <4781.12.29.16.103.1065627653.squirrel@whooper.org> References: <1065618401.4060.1.camel@techbyte.com.br> <200310082314.22033.dennis@ausil.us> <1065619174.4060.4.camel@techbyte.com.br> <3F841141.2090600@atl.lmco.com> <4781.12.29.16.103.1065627653.squirrel@whooper.org> Message-ID: <3F847E68.9090206@cypress.com> William Hooper wrote: > According to the USPTO (www.uspto.gov) it was E-Mail Incorporated > Corporation of Pasadena California. Interestingly enough, both "Open > Office" and "OpenOffice.org" are listed as "abandoned" trademarks. > This is strange. Check the "PROSECUTION HISTORY" here, http://tarr.uspto.gov/servlet/tarr?regser=serial&entry=76087516 near the bottom. Looks like the mark was refused in November or December of 2001. But the same infor for OpenOffice, http://tarr.uspto.gov/servlet/tarr?regser=serial&entry=74315910 show that mark being abandoned in 1993, well before Sun tried to register OpenOffice.org. I'm sure if it was truly dead, Sun would have used it. So, the USPTO data looks useless for this task. Perhaps someone in LA could try contacting the lawyer for more info? Correspondent (Owner) Cheri B. Lemons (Attorney of record) CHERI B. LEMONS GILBERT, KELLY, CROWLEY & JENNETT 1200 WILSHIRE BOULEVARD LOS ANGELES, CA 90017 United States -Thomas From maport1 at uky.edu Wed Oct 8 21:10:04 2003 From: maport1 at uky.edu (Michael Anthony Porter) Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 17:10:04 -0400 Subject: Graphical boot issues: a.o. graphical boot twice slower then text boot!!! Message-ID: <1065647404.6bf7dd60maport1@uky.edu> > what about FWIW ? For what it's worth. From hosting at j2solutions.net Wed Oct 8 21:12:51 2003 From: hosting at j2solutions.net (Jesse Keating) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 14:12:51 -0700 Subject: Graphical boot issues: a.o. graphical boot twice slower then text boot!!! In-Reply-To: <1065647065.4074.4.camel@techbyte.com.br> References: <3F8004E1.7020808@zonnet.nl> <20031008170133.K32153@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1065647065.4074.4.camel@techbyte.com.br> Message-ID: <200310081412.51150.hosting@j2solutions.net> On Wednesday 08 October 2003 14:04, Thiago Vinhas de Moraes wrote: > Thanks, what about FWIW ? For what it's worth. -- Jesse Keating RHCE MCSE http://geek.j2solutions.net Mondo DevTeam (http://www.microwerks.net/~hugo/) Was I helpful? Let others know: http://svcs.affero.net/rm.php?r=jkeating From shrek-m at gmx.de Wed Oct 8 21:16:22 2003 From: shrek-m at gmx.de (shrek-m at gmx.de) Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 23:16:22 +0200 Subject: Graphical boot issues: a.o. graphical boot twice slower then text boot!!! In-Reply-To: <1065647065.4074.4.camel@techbyte.com.br> References: <3F8004E1.7020808@zonnet.nl> <1065570448.32391.20.camel@poincare.devel.redhat.com> <20031008110849.GA705@redhat.com> <20031008164315.C32153@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1065645965.4074.2.camel@techbyte.com.br> <20031008170133.K32153@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1065647065.4074.4.camel@techbyte.com.br> Message-ID: <3F847EA6.7090608@gmx.de> Thiago Vinhas de Moraes wrote: > Em Qua, 2003-10-08 ?s 18:01, Bill Nottingham escreveu: > >>Thiago Vinhas de Moraes (tvinhas at techbyte.com.br) said: >>> > 1) authentication, IIRC >>> >>> What's the meaning of IIRC ? >> >>If I Recall Correctly. >> > Thanks, what about FWIW ? what about AFAIK,AFAIR,LOL,ROFL, ... eg. http://www.web-akronym.de/frames/englisch.htm http://www.usenet-abc.de/emotions.htm#akronyme http://www.google.de/search?q=akronyme+fwiw&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=de&btnG=Google+Suche&meta= -- shrek-m From xose at wanadoo.es Wed Oct 8 21:19:57 2003 From: xose at wanadoo.es (Xose Vazquez Perez) Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 23:19:57 +0200 Subject: Graphical boot issues: a.o. graphical boot twice slower then text boot!!! References: <3F8004E1.7020808@zonnet.nl> <1065570448.32391.20.camel@poincare.devel.redhat.com> <20031008110849.GA705@redhat.com> <20031008164315.C32153@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1065645965.4074.2.camel@techbyte.com.br> <20031008170133.K32153@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1065647065.4074.4.camel@techbyte.com.br> <3F847EA6.7090608@gmx.de> Message-ID: <3F847F7D.2020606@wanadoo.es> shrek-m at gmx.de wrote: > what about AFAIK,AFAIR,LOL,ROFL, ... http://www.acronymfinder.com From daniel-wittenberg at starken.com Wed Oct 8 21:29:45 2003 From: daniel-wittenberg at starken.com (Daniel Wittenberg) Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 16:29:45 -0500 Subject: New RHGB in rawhide In-Reply-To: <3F842912.2000508@xwell.org> References: <1065622612.2014.4.camel@bart.netlyncs.com> <3F842912.2000508@xwell.org> Message-ID: <1065648585.2237.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> Ok, I still can't see why my graphical boot doesn't work. I set GRAPHICAL=yes in /etc/sysconfig/init, anything else needed? Dan On Wed, 2003-10-08 at 10:11, Kyle Maxwell wrote: > Mike Chambers wrote: > > >Upgraded rhgb from rawhide this morning and rebooted. WOW, nice graphic > >change and seemed to work with no problems. > > > >Nice job Garrett (if that was you), or whoever is responsible :) > > > > > > > I don't know if it's just me, but when it booted, I chose "Show Details" > and the box stayed empty. I expected that there would be some updated > text scrolling through there, but nada. Are my expectations misplaced or > is this incorrect behavior? > > That said, otherwise it looks really sharp and I think that it's a giant > leap forward from the previous incarnation. > > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list -- ============================= Daniel Wittenberg RHCE+AS/IBM Certified Specialist President/CTO The Starken Group http://www.starken.com From notting at redhat.com Wed Oct 8 21:34:31 2003 From: notting at redhat.com (Bill Nottingham) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 17:34:31 -0400 Subject: New RHGB in rawhide In-Reply-To: <1065648585.2237.13.camel@localhost.localdomain>; from daniel-wittenberg@starken.com on Wed, Oct 08, 2003 at 04:29:45PM -0500 References: <1065622612.2014.4.camel@bart.netlyncs.com> <3F842912.2000508@xwell.org> <1065648585.2237.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20031008173431.A22928@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Daniel Wittenberg (daniel-wittenberg at starken.com) said: > Ok, I still can't see why my graphical boot doesn't work. I set > GRAPHICAL=yes in /etc/sysconfig/init, anything else needed? Are you booting into runlevel 3 or 5? Bill From linuxnow at newtral.org Wed Oct 8 21:37:33 2003 From: linuxnow at newtral.org (Pau Aliagas) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 23:37:33 +0200 (CEST) Subject: updates via apt Message-ID: On Wed, 8 Oct 2003, Justin Georgeson wrote: > Matthias Saou wrote: > > > > Hmmm, well, using yum to keep my Rawhide current from ayo, I've got > > 2.4.4.3-3 currently installed. Did you forget to run "apt-get update" > > before trying to upgrade? > > I did the update first. I only listed gdm as it was the first example > that came to my head, to 'prove' my system isn't current. > # apt-get upgrade -u > Reading Package Lists... Done > Building Dependency Tree... Done > 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 removed and 0 not upgraded. The same happens to me with the same exact repos. Pau From jaap_haitsma at zonnet.nl Wed Oct 8 21:40:23 2003 From: jaap_haitsma at zonnet.nl (Jaap A. Haitsma) Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 23:40:23 +0200 Subject: Volume Control Applet complains and crashes In-Reply-To: <20031007234531.GA28576@thacker.dyndns.org> References: <3F834BBF.2010507@zonnet.nl> <20031007234531.GA28576@thacker.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <3F848447.8060701@zonnet.nl> > > It's an upstream problem with gnome-media-2.3.7 Upgrading to any version > past that, including gnome-media-2.4.0, will fix the problem. It's easy > to build gnome-media-2.4.0 packages using the SPEC file from the > gnome-media-2.3.7-1 source rpm, just requires changing the version line. > I assume that a new package will get pushed soon fixing this, as it's > both annoying and trivial to fix, even though harmless. > > John Thacker > The update of today included gnome-media-2.4.0 and it immediately solved the problem :-) Jaap From martin at wolkje.net Wed Oct 8 21:43:05 2003 From: martin at wolkje.net (Martin Sturm) Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 23:43:05 +0200 Subject: Openoffice 1.1 broken dependencies In-Reply-To: <1065646678.8647.3.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> References: <3F8405AC.7060109@ntlworld.com> <1065619937.4060.11.camel@techbyte.com.br> <3F842A96.3050901@atl.lmco.com> <1065628974.5027.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20031008165109.F32153@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1065646678.8647.3.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> Message-ID: <1065649384.5027.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> Op wo 08-10-2003, om 22:57 schreef Christopher A. Williams: > On Wed, 2003-10-08 at 14:51, Bill Nottingham wrote: > > Martin Sturm (martin at wolkje.net) said: > > > I installed OpenOffice.org 1.1 after removing OOo 1.0.2. But now I don't > > > have any menu entries for OpenOffice and therefore I'm forced to start > > > OO.o from a console or similar way. > > > > > > Any solution for this? > > > > Not yet, it's being investigated where the desktop files ran off to. > > > > Bill > > FWIW, I found after a logging off and back on that the OOo 1.1 menus did > show up again, but they were under "More Office Applications". They also > have only the original OOo icons as opposed to the custom RH ones. The > panel launchers all seem to work and have their RH artwork though. I'd also tried to log on and off (I even rebooted the complete system) but that didn't work for me. The icon's also didn't appear in 'more office applictions' or a similar entry. By the way, I use dutch as my interface language, and before I installed OOo 1.1, OpenOffice also had a dutch interface, but OOo 1.1 is completely english (not that I not understand English, but Dutch is nicer :) ). I suppose this is because there aren't yet localized versions of OOo 1.1? Martin Sturm > > Cheers, > > Chris > > -- > ==================================== > "If you get to thinkin' you're a person of some influence, > try orderin' someone else's dog around." > --Cowboy Wisdom > > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > From jaap_haitsma at zonnet.nl Wed Oct 8 21:48:38 2003 From: jaap_haitsma at zonnet.nl (Jaap A. Haitsma) Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 23:48:38 +0200 Subject: Philips webcam PVC740K not working on latest kernel Message-ID: <3F848636.6060800@zonnet.nl> My Philips webcam PVC740lk, which works beautifully under RH9.0, does not work with the latest kernel: 2.4.22-1.2087.nptl. GnomeMeeting says that the pwc driver does not support YUV420P I did some further tests. I downloaded (from kernel.org) and compiled 2.4.20 and 2.4.22 kernel myself. The camera works when I run 2.4.20, but I get the same problem under my 2.4.22 as in the 2.4.22-1.2087 provided by fedora. Jaap. P.S. Arjan I cc'd you, because I saw on the web that there already have been some issues with the philips webcams in 2.4.22 and you've been handling these From jgeorgeson at lopht.net Wed Oct 8 21:52:22 2003 From: jgeorgeson at lopht.net (Justin Georgeson) Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 16:52:22 -0500 Subject: Graphical boot issues: a.o. graphical boot twice slower then text boot!!! References: <3F8004E1.7020808@zonnet.nl> <1065570448.32391.20.camel@poincare.devel.redhat.com> <20031008110849.GA705@redhat.com> <20031008164315.C32153@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1065645965.4074.2.camel@techbyte.com.br> <20031008170133.K32153@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1065647065.4074.4.camel@techbyte.com.br> Message-ID: <3F848716.3060201@lopht.net> Thiago Vinhas de Moraes wrote: > Em Qua, 2003-10-08 ?s 18:01, Bill Nottingham escreveu: > >>/Thiago Vinhas de Moraes (tvinhas at techbyte.com.br) said: >>> > 1) authentication, IIRC >>> >>> What's the meaning of IIRC ? >> >>If I Recall Correctly./ >> > Thanks, what about FWIW ? for what it's worth BTW, this could all be avoided with an LOA FYI, BTW means by the way, and LOA means list of acronyms, and FYI means for your information. ;p From daniel-wittenberg at starken.com Wed Oct 8 22:17:54 2003 From: daniel-wittenberg at starken.com (Daniel Wittenberg) Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 17:17:54 -0500 Subject: [FEDORA] Re: New RHGB in rawhide In-Reply-To: <20031008173431.A22928@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <1065622612.2014.4.camel@bart.netlyncs.com> <3F842912.2000508@xwell.org> <1065648585.2237.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20031008173431.A22928@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1065651474.1291.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> Runlevel 5. I also just pulled the latest updates, and that hasn't helped either. Dan On Wed, 2003-10-08 at 16:34, Bill Nottingham wrote: > Daniel Wittenberg (daniel-wittenberg at starken.com) said: > > Ok, I still can't see why my graphical boot doesn't work. I set > > GRAPHICAL=yes in /etc/sysconfig/init, anything else needed? > > Are you booting into runlevel 3 or 5? > > Bill > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list -- ============================= Daniel Wittenberg RHCE+AS/IBM Certified Specialist President/CTO The Starken Group http://www.starken.com From michal at harddata.com Wed Oct 8 22:18:54 2003 From: michal at harddata.com (Michal Jaegermann) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 16:18:54 -0600 Subject: Graphical boot issues: a.o. graphical boot twice slower then text boot!!! In-Reply-To: <3F847F7D.2020606@wanadoo.es>; from xose@wanadoo.es on Wed, Oct 08, 2003 at 11:19:57PM +0200 References: <3F8004E1.7020808@zonnet.nl> <1065570448.32391.20.camel@poincare.devel.redhat.com> <20031008110849.GA705@redhat.com> <20031008164315.C32153@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1065645965.4074.2.camel@techbyte.com.br> <20031008170133.K32153@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1065647065.4074.4.camel@techbyte.com.br> <3F847EA6.7090608@gmx.de> <3F847F7D.2020606@wanadoo.es> Message-ID: <20031008161854.C12913@mail.harddata.com> On Wed, Oct 08, 2003 at 11:19:57PM +0200, Xose Vazquez Perez wrote: > shrek-m at gmx.de wrote: > > > what about AFAIK,AFAIR,LOL,ROFL, ... > > http://www.acronymfinder.com It should be a dictd client on an installation so you can test it with these too. VERA includes such acronyms as well (and informs what VERA stands for :-). Michal From notting at redhat.com Wed Oct 8 22:21:31 2003 From: notting at redhat.com (Bill Nottingham) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 18:21:31 -0400 Subject: [FEDORA] Re: New RHGB in rawhide In-Reply-To: <1065651474.1291.0.camel@localhost.localdomain>; from daniel-wittenberg@starken.com on Wed, Oct 08, 2003 at 05:17:54PM -0500 References: <1065622612.2014.4.camel@bart.netlyncs.com> <3F842912.2000508@xwell.org> <1065648585.2237.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20031008173431.A22928@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1065651474.1291.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20031008182131.B11057@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Daniel Wittenberg (daniel-wittenberg at starken.com) said: > Runlevel 5. I also just pulled the latest updates, and that hasn't > helped either. So, rhgb doesn't start at all? Bill From erik.orebro at telia.com Wed Oct 8 22:27:22 2003 From: erik.orebro at telia.com (Erik Englund) Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 00:27:22 +0200 Subject: [FEDORA] Re: New RHGB in rawhide In-Reply-To: <1065651474.1291.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1065622612.2014.4.camel@bart.netlyncs.com> <3F842912.2000508@xwell.org> <1065648585.2237.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20031008173431.A22928@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1065651474.1291.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1065652042.3960.25.camel@localhost.localdomain> Same problem here, have never worked even though it says graphical=yes upgraded from rh9 if that has something to do with it... On Thu, 2003-10-09 at 00:17, Daniel Wittenberg wrote: > Runlevel 5. I also just pulled the latest updates, and that hasn't > helped either. > > Dan > > On Wed, 2003-10-08 at 16:34, Bill Nottingham wrote: > > Daniel Wittenberg (daniel-wittenberg at starken.com) said: > > > Ok, I still can't see why my graphical boot doesn't work. I set > > > GRAPHICAL=yes in /etc/sysconfig/init, anything else needed? > > > > Are you booting into runlevel 3 or 5? > > > > Bill > > > > > > -- > > fedora-test-list mailing list > > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From alikins at redhat.com Wed Oct 8 22:29:51 2003 From: alikins at redhat.com (Adrian Likins) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 18:29:51 -0400 Subject: up2date (4.0.1-2) still being obstinate... In-Reply-To: <200310081151.45202.elwoo@videotron.ca>; from elwoo@videotron.ca on Wed, Oct 08, 2003 at 11:51:45AM -0400 References: <200310081151.45202.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <20031008182951.F21247@redhat.com> On Wed, Oct 08, 2003 at 11:51:45AM -0400, Elton Woo wrote: > >From RHN Beta ... here we go again: > > Test install failed because of package conflicts: > file /usr/lib/python2.2/site-packages/gtk-2.0/gnome/__init__.pyc from install > of gnome-python2-2.0.0-2 > conflicts with file from package gnome-python2-canvas-2.0.0-1 > file /usr/lib/python2.2/site-packages/gtk-2.0/gnome/__init__.pyo from install > of gnome-python2-2.0.0-2 > conflicts with file from package gnome-python2-canvas-2.0.0-1 > > WHY won't up2date install the newer package? Shouldn't > 2.0.0-2 be newer than 2.0.0-1? > I think you may have stumbled across what is beginging to look like a hard to reproduce rpm bug. jbj is cc'ed. He might be able to provide more info, but if you could grab a copy of that rpm db and set it aside for the moment, that might be useful. If it's like the other cases, at some point, it will start working again. Yeah, I know, that sounds weird, but thats the MO I've seen so far (weird bogus conflicts start happening and then at some point, stop happening with no as of yet discernable triggers as to the cause). Maybe jbj can help more... Adrian From notting at redhat.com Wed Oct 8 22:30:48 2003 From: notting at redhat.com (Bill Nottingham) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 18:30:48 -0400 Subject: [FEDORA] Re: New RHGB in rawhide In-Reply-To: <1065652042.3960.25.camel@localhost.localdomain>; from erik.orebro@telia.com on Thu, Oct 09, 2003 at 12:27:22AM +0200 References: <1065622612.2014.4.camel@bart.netlyncs.com> <3F842912.2000508@xwell.org> <1065648585.2237.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20031008173431.A22928@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1065651474.1291.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1065652042.3960.25.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20031008183048.B16780@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Erik Englund (erik.orebro at telia.com) said: > Same problem here, have never worked even though it says graphical=yes > > upgraded from rh9 if that has something to do with it... Is rhgb installed? :) Bill From m.a.young at durham.ac.uk Wed Oct 8 20:10:11 2003 From: m.a.young at durham.ac.uk (M A Young) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 21:10:11 +0100 (BST) Subject: up2date (4.0.1-2) still being obstinate... In-Reply-To: <200310081302.13013.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: On Wed, 8 Oct 2003, Elton Woo wrote: > Well it looks like I already *have* the newer version of gnome-python2-canvas > installed already. Also, why is up2date (apparently) doing rpm -ivh, > instead of *Uvh*? These are after just updating and a reboot: > # rpm -qa | grep gnome-python > gnome-python2-gtkhtml2-2.0.0-1 > gnome-python2-gtkhtml2-2.0.0-2 > gnome-python2-canvas-2.0.0-1 > gnome-python2-2.0.0-1 > gnome-python2-bonobo-2.0.0-1 > gnome-python2-bonobo-2.0.0-2 > gnome-python2-canvas-2.0.0-2 I am not sure what you have done here, you can get this if an rpm update aborts for some reason. Delete the newer ones and then up2date them, to make sure you have a good copy. > Likewise, up2date refuses to install open-office 1.1.0-1. > NOTE: it doesn'e even *list* the current version on > my system (openoffice-i18n-1.0.2-4): That is a known bug due to a minor packaging error. Either delete the old openoffice packages first, or wait for the fixed package (probably tomorrow). Michael Young From erik.orebro at telia.com Wed Oct 8 22:41:36 2003 From: erik.orebro at telia.com (Erik Englund) Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 00:41:36 +0200 Subject: [FEDORA] Re: New RHGB in rawhide In-Reply-To: <20031008183048.B16780@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <1065622612.2014.4.camel@bart.netlyncs.com> <3F842912.2000508@xwell.org> <1065648585.2237.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20031008173431.A22928@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1065651474.1291.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1065652042.3960.25.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20031008183048.B16780@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1065652895.3960.31.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2003-10-09 at 00:30, Bill Nottingham wrote: > Is rhgb installed? :) > > Bill Lol no it wasn't... hehe *runs and hide under a chair* but seriously, it really should be installed if you upgrade. i choose to install all packages when i installed rhl9 so it really should install all packages when i upgrade too! is there any more high technological packages missing if i updated from rhl9? =) From daniel-wittenberg at starken.com Wed Oct 8 22:42:42 2003 From: daniel-wittenberg at starken.com (Daniel Wittenberg) Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 17:42:42 -0500 Subject: [FEDORA] Re: New RHGB in rawhide In-Reply-To: <20031008183048.B16780@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <1065622612.2014.4.camel@bart.netlyncs.com> <3F842912.2000508@xwell.org> <1065648585.2237.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20031008173431.A22928@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1065651474.1291.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1065652042.3960.25.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20031008183048.B16780@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1065652962.1364.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> *slaps forehead* duh...I downloaded it, got distracted, and never installed it. Works good now, except when I tried "acpi=force" (that was testing something long ago). Then it would just get done with the graphical boot, you'd see the text "login", and the machine would lock hard. After I took that out and rebooted, all is good! Dan On Wed, 2003-10-08 at 17:30, Bill Nottingham wrote: > Erik Englund (erik.orebro at telia.com) said: > > Same problem here, have never worked even though it says graphical=yes > > > > upgraded from rh9 if that has something to do with it... > > Is rhgb installed? :) > > Bill > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list -- ============================= Daniel Wittenberg RHCE+AS/IBM Certified Specialist President/CTO The Starken Group http://www.starken.com From alikins at redhat.com Wed Oct 8 22:56:16 2003 From: alikins at redhat.com (Adrian Likins) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 18:56:16 -0400 Subject: up2date (4.0.1-2) still being obstinate... In-Reply-To: <200310081302.13013.elwoo@videotron.ca>; from elwoo@videotron.ca on Wed, Oct 08, 2003 at 01:02:12PM -0400 References: <200310081302.13013.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <20031008185616.G21247@redhat.com> On Wed, Oct 08, 2003 at 01:02:12PM -0400, Elton Woo wrote: > On October 8, 2003 12:18 pm, M A Young > > wrote: > > > WHY won't up2date install the newer package? Shouldn't > > > 2.0.0-2 be newer than 2.0.0-1? > > > > It looks like some files have moved between gnome-python2 and > > gnome-python2-canvas. Try updating both at the same time. > > Well it looks like I already *have* the newer version of gnome-python2-canvas > installed already. Also, why is up2date (apparently) doing rpm -ivh, > instead of *Uvh*? These are after just updating and a reboot: > # rpm -qa | grep gnome-python > gnome-python2-gtkhtml2-2.0.0-1 > gnome-python2-gtkhtml2-2.0.0-2 > gnome-python2-canvas-2.0.0-1 > gnome-python2-2.0.0-1 > gnome-python2-bonobo-2.0.0-1 > gnome-python2-bonobo-2.0.0-2 > gnome-python2-canvas-2.0.0-2 > It doesnt do -i exept for things that provide something listed in the pkgsToInstallNotUpdate config variable (aka, kernel and kernel-modules by default). > Likewise, up2date refuses to install open-office 1.1.0-1. > NOTE: it doesn'e even *list* the current version on > my system (openoffice-i18n-1.0.2-4): > > Test install failed because of package conflicts: > file /usr/lib/openoffice/program/libadabas2.so from install of > openoffice.org-libs-1.1.0-1 conflicts with > file from package openoffice-libs-1.0.2-4 > file /usr/lib/openoffice/program/libcached1.so from install of > openoffice.org-libs-1.1.0-1 conflicts with > file from package openoffice-libs-1.0.2-4 > .... and a lot more conflicts that run off the dialog and > screen... bogus package, openoffice.org is supposed obsolete openoffice, but openoffice.org-1.1.0-1 didnt. Adrian From katzj at redhat.com Wed Oct 8 22:57:58 2003 From: katzj at redhat.com (Jeremy Katz) Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 18:57:58 -0400 Subject: [FEDORA] Re: New RHGB in rawhide In-Reply-To: <1065652895.3960.31.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1065622612.2014.4.camel@bart.netlyncs.com> <3F842912.2000508@xwell.org> <1065648585.2237.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20031008173431.A22928@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1065651474.1291.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1065652042.3960.25.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20031008183048.B16780@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1065652895.3960.31.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1065653878.31248.27.camel@mirkwood.devel.redhat.com> On Wed, 2003-10-08 at 18:41, Erik Englund wrote: > On Thu, 2003-10-09 at 00:30, Bill Nottingham wrote: > > Is rhgb installed? :) > Lol no it wasn't... hehe *runs and hide under a chair* > > but seriously, it really should be installed if you upgrade. i choose to > install all packages when i installed rhl9 so it really should install > all packages when i upgrade too! is there any more high technological > packages missing if i updated from rhl9? =) How is it supposed to be known that you had "all packages" installed. What if you installed all packages but then removed two or three -- bringing those back on an upgrade would be kind of rude. How I wish there were an easy answer to this problem :( Jeremy From alikins at redhat.com Wed Oct 8 23:01:55 2003 From: alikins at redhat.com (Adrian Likins) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 19:01:55 -0400 Subject: up2date (4.0.1-2) still being obstinate... In-Reply-To: <20031008182951.F21247@redhat.com>; from alikins@redhat.com on Wed, Oct 08, 2003 at 06:29:51PM -0400 References: <200310081151.45202.elwoo@videotron.ca> <20031008182951.F21247@redhat.com> Message-ID: <20031008190155.H21247@redhat.com> On Wed, Oct 08, 2003 at 06:29:51PM -0400, Adrian Likins wrote: > On Wed, Oct 08, 2003 at 11:51:45AM -0400, Elton Woo wrote: > > >From RHN Beta ... here we go again: > > > > Test install failed because of package conflicts: > > file /usr/lib/python2.2/site-packages/gtk-2.0/gnome/__init__.pyc from install > > of gnome-python2-2.0.0-2 > > conflicts with file from package gnome-python2-canvas-2.0.0-1 > > file /usr/lib/python2.2/site-packages/gtk-2.0/gnome/__init__.pyo from install > > of gnome-python2-2.0.0-2 > > conflicts with file from package gnome-python2-canvas-2.0.0-1 > > > > WHY won't up2date install the newer package? Shouldn't > > 2.0.0-2 be newer than 2.0.0-1? > > `rpm -qa` of before, if possible? > > I think you may have stumbled across what > is beginging to look like a hard to reproduce > rpm bug. jbj is cc'ed. > > He might be able to provide more info, > but if you could grab a copy of that rpm db and > set it aside for the moment, that might be useful. > If it's like the other cases, at some point, it > will start working again. Yeah, I know, that > sounds weird, but thats the MO I've seen so > far (weird bogus conflicts start happening > and then at some point, stop happening > with no as of yet discernable triggers as > to the cause). > > Maybe jbj can help more... > On closer look, I suspect this isnt the case. But I could be wrong, that bug is occasioanlly popping up in weird places. From erik.orebro at telia.com Wed Oct 8 23:10:48 2003 From: erik.orebro at telia.com (Erik Englund) Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 01:10:48 +0200 Subject: [FEDORA] Re: New RHGB in rawhide In-Reply-To: <1065653878.31248.27.camel@mirkwood.devel.redhat.com> References: <1065622612.2014.4.camel@bart.netlyncs.com> <3F842912.2000508@xwell.org> <1065648585.2237.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20031008173431.A22928@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1065651474.1291.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1065652042.3960.25.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20031008183048.B16780@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1065652895.3960.31.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1065653878.31248.27.camel@mirkwood.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1065654647.3960.47.camel@localhost.localdomain> I'm not an expert so i don't know if this should work but what about some file that the installation program create, in that file there could be info on what groups and packages the user chose to install (and which he/she chose not to install). and next time when you upgrade the installation program check this file to see if there where any changes, and if there is new packages it ask whatever you want to install them or not (and of course it doesn't install packages you have uninstalled). Doesn't sounds to complicated to me :) Erik On Thu, 2003-10-09 at 00:57, Jeremy Katz wrote: > On Wed, 2003-10-08 at 18:41, Erik Englund wrote: > > On Thu, 2003-10-09 at 00:30, Bill Nottingham wrote: > > > Is rhgb installed? :) > > Lol no it wasn't... hehe *runs and hide under a chair* > > > > but seriously, it really should be installed if you upgrade. i choose to > > install all packages when i installed rhl9 so it really should install > > all packages when i upgrade too! is there any more high technological > > packages missing if i updated from rhl9? =) > > How is it supposed to be known that you had "all packages" installed. > What if you installed all packages but then removed two or three -- > bringing those back on an upgrade would be kind of rude. > > How I wish there were an easy answer to this problem :( > > Jeremy > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From paul at frields.com Wed Oct 8 23:26:18 2003 From: paul at frields.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 19:26:18 -0400 Subject: Graphical boot issues: a.o. graphical boot twice slower then text boot!!! In-Reply-To: <20031008161854.C12913@mail.harddata.com> References: <3F8004E1.7020808@zonnet.nl> <1065570448.32391.20.camel@poincare.devel.redhat.com> <20031008110849.GA705@redhat.com> <20031008164315.C32153@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1065645965.4074.2.camel@techbyte.com.br> <20031008170133.K32153@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1065647065.4074.4.camel@techbyte.com.br> <3F847EA6.7090608@gmx.de> <3F847F7D.2020606@wanadoo.es> <20031008161854.C12913@mail.harddata.com> Message-ID: <1065655578.2982.3.camel@bettie.internal.frields.org> On Wed, 2003-10-08 at 18:18, Michal Jaegermann wrote: > > > what about AFAIK,AFAIR,LOL,ROFL, ... > > > > http://www.acronymfinder.com > > It should be a dictd client on an installation so you can test > it with these too. VERA includes such acronyms as well > (and informs what VERA stands for :-). The gdict-applet handles these, it should be noted, and indeed the version on FC-0.94 uses VERA 1.9 (June 2002) as a source. -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE From thacker at math.cornell.edu Wed Oct 8 23:26:48 2003 From: thacker at math.cornell.edu (John Alexander Thacker) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 19:26:48 -0400 Subject: [FEDORA] Re: New RHGB in rawhide In-Reply-To: <1065653878.31248.27.camel@mirkwood.devel.redhat.com> References: <1065622612.2014.4.camel@bart.netlyncs.com> <3F842912.2000508@xwell.org> <1065648585.2237.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20031008173431.A22928@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1065651474.1291.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1065652042.3960.25.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20031008183048.B16780@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1065652895.3960.31.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1065653878.31248.27.camel@mirkwood.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20031008232648.GA5098@thacker.dyndns.org> On Wed, Oct 08, 2003 at 06:57:58PM -0400, Jeremy Katz wrote: > On Wed, 2003-10-08 at 18:41, Erik Englund wrote: > > but seriously, it really should be installed if you upgrade. i choose to > > install all packages when i installed rhl9 so it really should install > > all packages when i upgrade too! is there any more high technological > > packages missing if i updated from rhl9? =) > > How is it supposed to be known that you had "all packages" installed. > What if you installed all packages but then removed two or three -- > bringing those back on an upgrade would be kind of rude. > > How I wish there were an easy answer to this problem :( Well, the Release Notes does contain that section on Package Changes. So long as the list is fairly small, it should be possible to use that information to give the user a chance to add packages that have been added to the new release. One could also add an option to remove packages that have been removed from the distribution, though that can be more dangerous. Perhaps I'm wrong about what's involved, but why isn't that a relatively easy answer to the problem? Just limit it to the "new stuff." John Thacker From seyman at wanadoo.fr Wed Oct 8 23:49:08 2003 From: seyman at wanadoo.fr (Emmanuel Seyman) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 01:49:08 +0200 Subject: How to setup DMA on my CD-RW? In-Reply-To: <3F82EAED.4010003@gmx.de> References: <1065479567.4495.0.camel@techbyte.com.br> <200310070028.16722.hoyt@cavtel.net> <20031007093354.GA12532@orient.maison> <200310070957.26250.hoyt@cavtel.net> <20031007153206.GA13195@orient.maison> <3F82EAED.4010003@gmx.de> Message-ID: <20031008234908.GA4003@orient.maison> On Tue, Oct 07, 2003 at 06:33:49PM +0200, shrek-m at gmx.de wrote: > > >Welcome to Red Hat Linux, > > do you mean especially redhat > or > debian, suse, gentoo, yelowdog, ... > freebsd, openbsd, ... All these distributions are made of several independant projects so I guess the same thing applies to them. > http://www.distrowatch.com/ If you can find how to activate DMA on your CD-ROM from DistroWatch, you're a better man than I am. > no standard way ? Yup. The way Red Hat documents changes is different from the way the kernel hackers do it, is different from the way the net-snmp developers do it, etc... > gazillion number of formats ? Yup. From html files to postscript, going by sample configuration files, text, pdf, READMEs, changelogs, etc. You want it, we've got it. > can you explain what do you mean ? Well, the point of my post was to point out that "real" documentation is a very subjective term and that standardizing on any one format for any and all package documentation is going to be hard, if not downright impossible. > where is your problem ?? FWIW, I don't actually have a problem (well, this openobex stuff is a pain in the @$$, but I digress). I responded to a post stating that a distribution's release notes are not considered "real" documentation and attempted to show there is no such animal. Emmanuel From jgeorgeson at lopht.net Thu Oct 9 00:08:46 2003 From: jgeorgeson at lopht.net (Justin Georgeson) Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 19:08:46 -0500 Subject: updates via apt In-Reply-To: <3F843CA0.7070203@lopht.net> References: <3F80C243.7050402@lopht.net> <20031006114609.40395520.matthias@rpmforge.net> <3F835C07.5060202@lopht.net> <20031008181835.69d42504.matthias@rpmforge.net> <3F843CA0.7070203@lopht.net> Message-ID: <3F84A70E.3030707@lopht.net> I have it now, it's pulling 133 packages down. rpm http://ayo.freshrpms.net/ redhat/rawhide/i386 os rpm http://download.fedora.us/fedora/ redhat/0.94/i386 stable testing \ unstable rpm-src http://download.fedora.us/fedora/ redhat/0.94/i386 stable \ testing unstable rpm http://rpm.livna.org/ fedora/0.94/i386 stable unstable testing rpm-src http://rpm.livna.org/ fedora/0.94/i386 stable unstable testing The key was taking os and updates out of the download.fedora.us lines From aoliva at redhat.com Thu Oct 9 00:39:27 2003 From: aoliva at redhat.com (Alexandre Oliva) Date: 08 Oct 2003 21:39:27 -0300 Subject: [FEDORA] Re: New RHGB in rawhide In-Reply-To: <1065653878.31248.27.camel@mirkwood.devel.redhat.com> References: <1065622612.2014.4.camel@bart.netlyncs.com> <3F842912.2000508@xwell.org> <1065648585.2237.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20031008173431.A22928@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1065651474.1291.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1065652042.3960.25.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20031008183048.B16780@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1065652895.3960.31.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1065653878.31248.27.camel@mirkwood.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: On Oct 8, 2003, Jeremy Katz wrote: > How is it supposed to be known that you had "all packages" installed. If we had meta-packages with dependencies to other packages we could do this. > What if you installed all packages but then removed two or three -- But then you wouldn't be able to remove such packages... > bringing those back on an upgrade would be kind of rude. > How I wish there were an easy answer to this problem :( We'd surely have to record the package group selection at install time somewhere, and use that for upgrades, and also pay attention to history. Indeed, it's not an easy answer :-) -- Alexandre Oliva Enjoy Guarana', see http://www.ic.unicamp.br/~oliva/ Red Hat GCC Developer aoliva@{redhat.com, gcc.gnu.org} CS PhD student at IC-Unicamp oliva@{lsd.ic.unicamp.br, gnu.org} Free Software Evangelist Professional serial bug killer From nosp at xades.com Thu Oct 9 01:01:56 2003 From: nosp at xades.com (nosp) Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 02:01:56 +0100 Subject: updates via apt In-Reply-To: <3F84A70E.3030707@lopht.net> References: <3F80C243.7050402@lopht.net> <20031006114609.40395520.matthias@rpmforge.net> <3F835C07.5060202@lopht.net> <20031008181835.69d42504.matthias@rpmforge.net> <3F843CA0.7070203@lopht.net> <3F84A70E.3030707@lopht.net> Message-ID: <1065661316.9642.16.camel@earth.xades.com> On Thu, 2003-10-09 at 01:08, Justin Georgeson wrote: > I have it now, it's pulling 133 packages down. [snip] > > The key was taking os and updates out of the download.fedora.us lines Actually, it's working for me now even with the os and updates included: rpm http://download.fedora.us/fedora redhat/0.94/i386 os updates stable rpm-src http://download.fedora.us/fedora redhat/0.94/i386 os updates stable Maybe there's just a day or two delay? From cochranb at speakeasy.net Thu Oct 9 02:02:26 2003 From: cochranb at speakeasy.net (Robert L Cochran) Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 22:02:26 -0400 Subject: Sony Vaio Laptop Mouse Problems Message-ID: <3F84C1B2.3020109@speakeasy.net> The latest Fedora updates from RHN have caused the mouse pointer on my Sony Vaio PCG-F350 machine to go completely nuts. The mouse moves around randomly, does not follow user mouse actions such as dragging and clicking. It minimizes and moves the active window at random, often so fast that the user cannot work at all. This happens whether or not I am using a plugged in mouse or the GlidePoint touchpad. If anyone is having success with this model of Vaio let me know -- feel free to email me a copy of your XF86Config off-list. I'm not sure what settings are needed since I didn't bother to save a copy of the original XF86Config from my original install of Fedora, which did work fine. Since I want to play with wireless networking on the laptop and I need a stable GUI environment to make that happen, I'm in the process of reinstalling Red Hat 9. Then I'll grab s 2.4.22 kernel and go about the slow job of compiling the kernel and the Prism54 wireless drivers I need. -- Bob Cochran Greenbelt, Maryland, USA http://greenbeltcomputer.biz/ From marguz at ameritech.net Thu Oct 9 03:06:31 2003 From: marguz at ameritech.net (Mark Guzzo) Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 22:06:31 -0500 Subject: OpenOffice1.1 in RAWHIDE? In-Reply-To: <1065638464.2864.15.camel@LORDLINUX.global.shsystem.org> References: <1065638464.2864.15.camel@LORDLINUX.global.shsystem.org> Message-ID: <1065668790.6380.5.camel@PURPLE.mbhome.cxm> > > Wondering if I should remove the /usr/lib/openoffice directory and try > the install again. FWIW, I deleted the directory listed above and reinstalled, worked GREAT ! Mark From mike at netlyncs.com Thu Oct 9 03:53:32 2003 From: mike at netlyncs.com (Mike Chambers) Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 22:53:32 -0500 Subject: updates via apt In-Reply-To: <20031008181835.69d42504.matthias@rpmforge.net> References: <3F80C243.7050402@lopht.net> <20031006114609.40395520.matthias@rpmforge.net> <3F835C07.5060202@lopht.net> <20031008181835.69d42504.matthias@rpmforge.net> Message-ID: <1065671612.2894.0.camel@bart.netlyncs.com> On Wed, 2003-10-08 at 11:18, Matthias Saou wrote: > Hmmm, well, using yum to keep my Rawhide current from ayo, I've got > 2.4.4.3-3 currently installed. Did you forget to run "apt-get update" > before trying to upgrade? > > My gdm still crashes though. Running in runlevel 3 with startx currently. Upgrade to 2.4.4.3-5 and that should fix it. -- Mike Chambers Madisonville, KY "Can you hear me now...GOOD!" From mhouston at gci.net Thu Oct 9 03:56:41 2003 From: mhouston at gci.net (Shawn Houston) Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 19:56:41 -0800 Subject: battery app using much cpu Message-ID: <3F84DC79.6060208@gci.net> I installed Fedora Core, Severn, on my Averatec 3150HS laptop. I got pretty much everything but the sleep function working. I added the battery applet to my Gnome task bar, and under kernel 2.4.22-1.2062.nptl top show 8.8% cpu used by this app. A lot, but bearable. Under kernel 2.4.22-1.2087.nptl this jumps to 49%! I am guessing that some bad programming in the battery app is to blame, the new kernel just makes it show better. Anyone else see this? -Shawn From mhouston at gci.net Thu Oct 9 04:03:17 2003 From: mhouston at gci.net (Shawn Houston) Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 20:03:17 -0800 Subject: laptop mode is gone Message-ID: <3F84DE05.5000102@gci.net> With kernel 2.4.22-1.2061.nptl there was a /proc/sys/vm/laptop_mode for setting hard disk access patterns best for when running on battery. With kernel 2.4.22-1.2087.mptl this directory is gone. Has this patch been left out for some reason? -Shawn From tdiehl at rogueind.com Thu Oct 9 04:03:23 2003 From: tdiehl at rogueind.com (Tom Diehl) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 00:03:23 -0400 (EDT) Subject: rhgb hangs machine Message-ID: Hi all, Is anyone else seeing the machine hang when it tries to switch from the rhgb to gdm?? When it hangs I cannot even get the numlock to change states. I found that if I move the mouse everything starts working again. After the inital hang all appears to be on. I tried it with both acpi on and off. This is new with the updates pushed today from rawhide. -- ......Tom Registered Linux User #14522 http://counter.li.org tdiehl at rogueind.com My current SpamTrap -------> mtd123 at rogueind.com From warren at togami.com Thu Oct 9 04:05:25 2003 From: warren at togami.com (Warren Togami) Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 18:05:25 -1000 Subject: battery app using much cpu In-Reply-To: <3F84DC79.6060208@gci.net> References: <3F84DC79.6060208@gci.net> Message-ID: <3F84DE85.9070208@togami.com> Shawn Houston wrote: > I installed Fedora Core, Severn, on my Averatec 3150HS laptop. I got > pretty much everything but the sleep function working. > > I added the battery applet to my Gnome task bar, and under kernel > 2.4.22-1.2062.nptl top show 8.8% cpu used by this app. A lot, but > bearable. Under kernel 2.4.22-1.2087.nptl this jumps to 49%! I am > guessing that some bad programming in the battery app is to blame, the > new kernel just makes it show better. > > Anyone else see this? > > -Shawn Are you using ACPI? Warren From aoliva at redhat.com Thu Oct 9 04:24:34 2003 From: aoliva at redhat.com (Alexandre Oliva) Date: 09 Oct 2003 01:24:34 -0300 Subject: laptop mode is gone In-Reply-To: <3F84DE05.5000102@gci.net> References: <3F84DE05.5000102@gci.net> Message-ID: On Oct 9, 2003, Shawn Houston wrote: > With kernel 2.4.22-1.2087.mptl this directory is gone. Has this > patch been left out for some reason? It was removed for now, as an experiment to try to find out whether it is in fault for a disk corruption problem that some people reported. Hopefully it will be back. -- Alexandre Oliva Enjoy Guarana', see http://www.ic.unicamp.br/~oliva/ Red Hat GCC Developer aoliva@{redhat.com, gcc.gnu.org} CS PhD student at IC-Unicamp oliva@{lsd.ic.unicamp.br, gnu.org} Free Software Evangelist Professional serial bug killer From aoliva at redhat.com Thu Oct 9 04:25:54 2003 From: aoliva at redhat.com (Alexandre Oliva) Date: 09 Oct 2003 01:25:54 -0300 Subject: rhgb hangs machine In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Oct 9, 2003, Tom Diehl wrote: > Is anyone else seeing the machine hang when it tries to switch from > the rhgb to gdm?? Yup. But this is not new for me. I've had it since the first rhgb I installed on my wife's Toshiba Tecra 8100. I'm told upcoming builds of kudzu and/or initscripts might fix it. Let's see... -- Alexandre Oliva Enjoy Guarana', see http://www.ic.unicamp.br/~oliva/ Red Hat GCC Developer aoliva@{redhat.com, gcc.gnu.org} CS PhD student at IC-Unicamp oliva@{lsd.ic.unicamp.br, gnu.org} Free Software Evangelist Professional serial bug killer From daniel-wittenberg at starken.com Thu Oct 9 04:30:17 2003 From: daniel-wittenberg at starken.com (Daniel Wittenberg) Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 23:30:17 -0500 Subject: [FEDORA] rhgb hangs machine In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1065673817.2845.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> I had a problem when my acpi=forced, but after turning that off mine's been fine. Dan On Wed, 2003-10-08 at 23:03, Tom Diehl wrote: > Hi all, > Is anyone else seeing the machine hang when it tries to switch from > the rhgb to gdm?? When it hangs I cannot even get the numlock to change states. > I found that if I move the mouse everything starts working again. > After the inital hang all appears to be on. I tried it with both acpi on and > off. This is new with the updates pushed today from rawhide. -- ============================= Daniel Wittenberg RHCE+AS/IBM Certified Specialist President/CTO The Starken Group http://www.starken.com From mhouston at gci.net Thu Oct 9 04:51:55 2003 From: mhouston at gci.net (Shawn Houston) Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 20:51:55 -0800 Subject: battery app using much cpu In-Reply-To: <3F84DE85.9070208@togami.com> References: <3F84DC79.6060208@gci.net> <3F84DE85.9070208@togami.com> Message-ID: <1065675115.7532.1.camel@mutt.home.pc> Yes, I have apm=off acpi=on in my grub.conf boot line. I have all of the acpi modules loaded in order to get the acpi data in /proc/acpi, and I have acpid running to process events. -Shawn On Wed, 2003-10-08 at 20:05, Warren Togami wrote: > Shawn Houston wrote: > > > I installed Fedora Core, Severn, on my Averatec 3150HS laptop. I got > > pretty much everything but the sleep function working. > > > > I added the battery applet to my Gnome task bar, and under kernel > > 2.4.22-1.2062.nptl top show 8.8% cpu used by this app. A lot, but > > bearable. Under kernel 2.4.22-1.2087.nptl this jumps to 49%! I am > > guessing that some bad programming in the battery app is to blame, the > > new kernel just makes it show better. > > > > Anyone else see this? > > > > -Shawn > > Are you using ACPI? > > Warren > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list -- Shawn Houston From aoliva at redhat.com Thu Oct 9 06:27:54 2003 From: aoliva at redhat.com (Alexandre Oliva) Date: 09 Oct 2003 03:27:54 -0300 Subject: rhgb hangs machine In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Oct 9, 2003, Tom Diehl wrote: > Is anyone else seeing the machine hang when it tries to switch from > the rhgb to gdm?? https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=100920 -- Alexandre Oliva Enjoy Guarana', see http://www.ic.unicamp.br/~oliva/ Red Hat GCC Developer aoliva@{redhat.com, gcc.gnu.org} CS PhD student at IC-Unicamp oliva@{lsd.ic.unicamp.br, gnu.org} Free Software Evangelist Professional serial bug killer From linuxnow at newtral.org Thu Oct 9 07:07:11 2003 From: linuxnow at newtral.org (Pau Aliagas) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 09:07:11 +0200 (CEST) Subject: updates via apt In-Reply-To: <3F84A70E.3030707@lopht.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 8 Oct 2003, Justin Georgeson wrote: > I have it now, it's pulling 133 packages down. > The key was taking os and updates out of the download.fedora.us lines I've removed them and updates are available now. No way with them on. Pau From shrek-m at gmx.de Thu Oct 9 07:16:21 2003 From: shrek-m at gmx.de (shrek-m at gmx.de) Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 09:16:21 +0200 Subject: How to setup DMA on my CD-RW? In-Reply-To: <20031008234908.GA4003@orient.maison> References: <1065479567.4495.0.camel@techbyte.com.br> <200310070028.16722.hoyt@cavtel.net> <20031007093354.GA12532@orient.maison> <200310070957.26250.hoyt@cavtel.net> <20031007153206.GA13195@orient.maison> <3F82EAED.4010003@gmx.de> <20031008234908.GA4003@orient.maison> Message-ID: <3F850B45.4040405@gmx.de> Emmanuel Seyman wrote: >On Tue, Oct 07, 2003 at 06:33:49PM +0200, shrek-m at gmx.de wrote: > > >>>Welcome to Red Hat Linux, >>> >>> >>do you mean especially redhat >>or >>debian, suse, gentoo, yelowdog, ... >>freebsd, openbsd, ... >> >> >All these distributions are made of several independant projects >so I guess the same thing applies to them. > > >>http://www.distrowatch.com/ >> >> >If you can find how to activate DMA on your CD-ROM from DistroWatch, > > easy way, a few steps in a few minutes steps to reproduce: 1. go to http://www.distrowatch.com/ 2. go to redhat [#1 mandrake #2 redhat] http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=redhat 3. here you will find "documentation" http://www.redhat.com/docs/ 4. search for "dma cdrom sysconfig" http://www.redhat.com/apps/search/results.html 5. here you can find he "Red Hat Linux 9 Red Hat Linux Reference Guide" http://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/linux/RHL-9-Manual/pdf/rhl-rg-en-9.pdf 6. it will be opened with xpdf, search dma=1 on page 48 you can find chapter "4.1.10" here you are. /etc/sysconfig/harddiskhd[a-h] USE_DMA=1 -- shrek-m From warren at togami.com Thu Oct 9 07:23:14 2003 From: warren at togami.com (Warren Togami) Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 21:23:14 -1000 Subject: battery app using much cpu In-Reply-To: <1065675115.7532.1.camel@mutt.home.pc> References: <3F84DC79.6060208@gci.net> <3F84DE85.9070208@togami.com> <1065675115.7532.1.camel@mutt.home.pc> Message-ID: <3F850CE2.4040800@togami.com> Shawn Houston wrote: > Yes, I have apm=off acpi=on in my grub.conf boot line. I have all of the > acpi modules loaded in order to get the acpi data in /proc/acpi, and I > have acpid running to process events. > > -Shawn Known bug... It seems that on some (dunno about all) machines, querying the battery info within /proc/acpi/something/something causes a small hiccup of CPU usage. Earlier versions of ACPI caused nastier things to happen like PS/2 devices would die on my laptop, necessitating a reboot. Now at least it doesn't crash, but you don't want to query the battery often. I suspect Gnome's battery applet may be querying the battery info too often. On my laptop with 2.4 or 2.6 kernel with ACPI enabled, Gnome's battery applet causes constant 15-20% CPU usage with two noticable hiccups per second where the mouse jumps because of loss of interactivity. Some guy in IRC said he knew of a patch to fix that, but I don't remember the details. Warren From pmatilai at welho.com Thu Oct 9 07:24:31 2003 From: pmatilai at welho.com (Panu Matilainen) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 10:24:31 +0300 Subject: updates via apt In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1065684271.3f850d2fd92cb@webmail.welho.com> Quoting Pau Aliagas : > On Wed, 8 Oct 2003, Justin Georgeson wrote: > > > I have it now, it's pulling 133 packages down. > > The key was taking os and updates out of the download.fedora.us lines > > I've removed them and updates are available now. No way with them on. My guess is you're using apt from fedora.us which has Default-Release set by default, meaning that in order to install / get updates from other than fedora.us repositories you need to use -t to override Default-Release. -- - Panu - From linuxnow at newtral.org Thu Oct 9 07:27:21 2003 From: linuxnow at newtral.org (Pau Aliagas) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 09:27:21 +0200 (CEST) Subject: mozilla-nspr-1.4.1-4.i386.rpm MD5Sum mismatch In-Reply-To: <3F850CE2.4040800@togami.com> Message-ID: There's some problem wih this rpm. Failed to fetch http://ayo.freshrpms.net/redhat/rawhide/i386/RPMS.os/mozilla-nspr-1.4.1-4.i386.rpm MD5Sum mismatch E: Unable to fetch some archives, maybe run apt-get update or try with --fix-missing? --fix-missing does not fix it. Pau From mharris at redhat.com Thu Oct 9 07:34:55 2003 From: mharris at redhat.com (Mike A. Harris) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 03:34:55 -0400 (EDT) Subject: What are consequences (the lack of freedom on the USA) In-Reply-To: <1064268671.6486.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <200309222154.h8MLs7h08802@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1064268671.6486.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On Mon, 22 Sep 2003, Thiago Vinhas de Moraes wrote: >It's sad to say, but like all the people on the world, I loved to see >the two WTC towers going down. This is an absolutely disgusting and disturbing statement in every way imaginable. To state publically that you personally approved of the wholesale slaughtering of thousands of innocent lives in one of the most gruesome acts of terror to happen within our livetimes does not say much for you as a human being. I'm disgusted enough by this to consider unsubscribing from this list. -- Mike A. Harris ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris OS Systems Engineer - XFree86 maintainer - Red Hat From mharris at redhat.com Thu Oct 9 07:54:42 2003 From: mharris at redhat.com (Mike A. Harris) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 03:54:42 -0400 (EDT) Subject: What are consequences of "merger necessitates removal of ... In-Reply-To: <000001c3813a$25a89f80$196d9e89@pegasus> References: <000001c3813a$25a89f80$196d9e89@pegasus> Message-ID: On Mon, 22 Sep 2003, Maynard Kuona wrote: >I sometimes wish Redhat would just buy the license. It is becoming very >inconvenient for us. With fedora now merged with Redhat, we now have to >get these somewhere else. Can these not be hosted outside US, as a >temporary measure until the issue is resolved, because it needs to be. I >am no longer encoding my cds into mp3, but I have so many mp3's, it is a >hassle to to this nicely with Redhat. How much does the license cost. Is >it not $50,000 for the perpetual license. As has been discussed to death many times for about 2 years, the GPL explicitly disallows patented stuff from being included in software under the GPL license. As such, even if Red Hat were to purchase a patent license, it would be useless because *ALL* of the open source MP3 software out there is GPL licensed (in violation of the license due to patented bits being used). In other words, the GPL license on all MP3 software out there is invalid, regardless of wether or not Red Hat would have a license to ship MP3 decoding technology. Red Hat would have to either: 1) Convince the patent owner to permit unlimited unrestricted use of their patent(s) in GPL licensed software - either for free or by paying them money, and they would most likely want a hell of a lot more money than $50000 in order to permit legal usage of the patent in GPL software, and thus make all OSS MP3 players out there legal. The patent owner would have to be convinced in some manner that they stand to benefit financially from doing so. Since this would more likely than not, kill any revenue streams they receive from companies out there that do currently license their patents, in my opinion, it would be very unlikely for this to happen unless the sum of money superceded the revenue they receive now from the patent, and any revenue they'd be likely to receive from it for many years. Such a sum of money would very likely supercede any value Red Hat would receive from fronting the money IMHO. It would more or less be a charity donation for all intents and purposes, and would make stockholders uncomfortable to say the least. or 2) Pay the $50000 to license the patent, and then purchase or license existing proprietary MP3 technology from some company such as Winamp. This would be including binary only software in the distribution, which is directly opposite of the goals of Red Hat, and of the Fedora Project. or 3) Pay the $50000 to license the patent, and hire developers to write brand new MP3 decoding software, or write it internally, either of which would be a very expensive prospect, and would have to be under a non-OSS license as well unless the patent license grant permitted an OSS compatible license of some kind, which would be unlikely IMHO. Both option 2 and 3 are contrary to the goals of the Fedora Project. Of course, I'm not really saying anything here that hasn't been said about 20 million times over the last 2 years or so, but it seems it can never be said enough times, as there's always someone new out there who isn't aware of the issues involved, and thinks it is a simple thing to just toss a couple bags of spare change over the counter.... Not the case. -- Mike A. Harris ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris OS Systems Engineer - XFree86 maintainer - Red Hat From pavelr at coresma.com Thu Oct 9 07:55:44 2003 From: pavelr at coresma.com (Pavel Rosenboim) Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 09:55:44 +0200 Subject: advanced configuration options in redhar-config-xfree86 In-Reply-To: <200310081840.h98Iewj19274@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <200310081840.h98Iewj19274@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <3F851480.7040308@coresma.com> Alan Cox wrote: >>redhat-config-xfree86 in RH9 has many advanced configurtion options - >>ability to specify monitor refresh rates, DPI, video memory size, etc. >> >>Why all these options were removed in Fedora? > > > videoram is still settable using the command line option only. That or > someone forgot to update the texts. The DPI are still present in the > program too (including the measure your monitor dialog). I couldn't find it. > > Refresh rate is lacking - which is a problem because many countries have > 72Hz health and safety minimums for workers using crt monitors and the > tools dont seem to generate 72Hz or better in all cases they can automatically. Should I file an RFE in bugzilla asking to add these options back? From A.Verheij at econ.usyd.edu.au Thu Oct 9 07:58:49 2003 From: A.Verheij at econ.usyd.edu.au (Andre Verheij) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 17:58:49 +1000 Subject: What are consequences (the lack of freedom on the USA) Message-ID: <78292DA462BCDF41B4A7DF6EAF1AABA990AC74@evs2.econ.usyd.edu.au> I think this person should be banned from the mailing list. -----Original Message----- From: Mike A. Harris [mailto:mharris at redhat.com] Sent: Thursday, 9 October 2003 5:35 PM To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com Subject: Re: What are consequences (the lack of freedom on the USA) On Mon, 22 Sep 2003, Thiago Vinhas de Moraes wrote: >It's sad to say, but like all the people on the world, I loved to see >the two WTC towers going down. This is an absolutely disgusting and disturbing statement in every way imaginable. To state publically that you personally approved of the wholesale slaughtering of thousands of innocent lives in one of the most gruesome acts of terror to happen within our livetimes does not say much for you as a human being. I'm disgusted enough by this to consider unsubscribing from this list. -- Mike A. Harris ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris OS Systems Engineer - XFree86 maintainer - Red Hat -- fedora-test-list mailing list fedora-test-list at redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From stevewa at spiritone.com Thu Oct 9 08:11:01 2003 From: stevewa at spiritone.com (Steve Ward) Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 01:11:01 -0700 Subject: filesystem RPM causes trouble with NFS mounted /home In-Reply-To: <20031009072001.24325.54039.Mailman@listman.back-rdu.redhat.com> References: <20031009072001.24325.54039.Mailman@listman.back-rdu.redhat.com> Message-ID: <3F851815.1090402@spiritone.com> One of the updated packages was the "filesystem" RPM which failed to install on my system due to an NFS mounted /home directory. Since this RPM seems to only provide directory structures it seems to me it shouldn't fail just because there's an NFS mount hanging out there... From mharris at redhat.com Thu Oct 9 08:51:16 2003 From: mharris at redhat.com (Mike A. Harris) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 04:51:16 -0400 (EDT) Subject: XFree86 weirdness: no neomagic but fb? - Solved In-Reply-To: <1064598890.6085.2.camel@guru.puzzled.xs4all.nl> References: <1064597610.4639.15.camel@guru.puzzled.xs4all.nl> <1064598890.6085.2.camel@guru.puzzled.xs4all.nl> Message-ID: On Fri, 26 Sep 2003, Patrick wrote: >Date: 26 Sep 2003 19:54:50 +0200 >From: Patrick >To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com >Content-Type: text/plain >List-Id: For testers of Red Hat Linux beta releases > >Subject: Re: XFree86 weirdness: no neomagic but fb? - Solved > >On Fri, 2003-09-26 at 19:33, Patrick wrote: >> Hi, >> >> Laptop is a Toshiba Tecra 8000 which works fine on RH9 at 1024x768, >> 24bpp with the neomagic driver straight out of the box. Just installed >> beta2 (clean install). During install, the process would not get me >> 1024x768, 24bpp but something completely ugly. >> >> I changed the /etc/X11/XF86Config to contain imho valid entries: >> neomagic driver, 1024x768 resolution, 24 bit depth. >> >> When it starts up it seems like it is doing the right thing but then >> throttles back to a lower quality: the cross pointer gets all jagged, >> fonts look terrible etc. >> >> It shows in /var/log/XFree86.0.log that it uses the fb driver and *not* >> the neomagic driver. The resulting screen looks pretty bad. This seems >> b0rked to me. Running redhat-config-xfree86 --reconfig and select >> different combinations does not make a difference. >> >> Any ideas how to fix this? >> >> TIA, >> Patrick >> > >All is well now. I had to disable the RandR extension. Is this known or >do I have to file a bugreport? This is news to me... I don't see any bug report in bugzilla on it however, so if you'd like me to investigate it, please file a bug report including your X config file, log file, /var/log/messages as file attachments. We can try some different things to attempt to narrow the problem down and provide a workaround in the driver or fix the problem. Keep in mind, I do not have any neomagic hardware, nor access to such, so I'll need to you do the dirty work under my guidance to narrow things down so we can hopefully fix the problem. -- Mike A. Harris ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris OS Systems Engineer - XFree86 maintainer - Red Hat From mharris at redhat.com Thu Oct 9 09:25:17 2003 From: mharris at redhat.com (Mike A. Harris) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 05:25:17 -0400 (EDT) Subject: dri xscreensaver/kernel lockups In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, 1 Oct 2003, Pekka Savola wrote: >A huge number of (probably DRI -related) xscreensaver lockups >(especially with screensavers with a lot of 3D effects) have >been reported in the past; check a list e.g. from: > >https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=84214 > >(I tried to collect a few I found there). > >1) have folks tested whether these still persist in Fedora Core as well? > >2) is there any hope of getting these bugs fixed? > b) if one wants a workaround, just simply removing "too flashy" >screensavers might help .. but then the bugs would not get fixed ;-) More likely than not, all reported issues still exist. The easy workaround is to either disable DRI, or to disable the screensavers that trigger the lockup. This allows one to use their computer for day to day work, etc. without experiencing the lockup issues. In some cases, simply disabling the screensavers triggering the issue will allow the user to use other 3D applications without problem, while other cases the problem is deeper and affects all 3D applications including non-screensavers. Debugging 3D acceleration related problems in the DRI is one of the more complex and time consuming of all problems that get reported against XFree86. Problems can take anywhere from a day to a week or two if not more in order to diagnose. Since it is often easy to workaround the problem by disabling a screensaver or whatnot, such problems aren't of the highest priority, in particular when most problems with DRI are reported against screensavers and/or video games. Currently, there are only 2 developers here at Red Hat working on XFree86 - myself, and John Dennis. John's work has mostly focused on handling XFree86 related problems on ia64 and other architectures for our Red Hat Enterprise Linux development so far, however we hope to work more closely in the future with development/troubleshooting/debugging/etc. With only 2 developers, and the plethora of incoming bug reports that do get reported, it's not possible for every single bug report to get immediate attention and guaranteed fixes due to the need to prioritize work. Also, XFree86 isn't the only work we're responsible for, so we need to balance the various duties we're responsible for in order to accomplish the most amount of work in the least amount of time, and to fix the most number of problems that affect the most number of people. When it comes to bugs in the DRI and the kernel portion of it (the DRM), spending an unknown amount of time debugging an issue which may require up to a week or 3 and may end up still being unable to determine the cause of a given problem - just to fix a hangup caused by a screensaver that can be easily disabled, or to a bug triggered by Quake 3, Unreal Tournament 2003 or somesuch, just isn't the best usage of Red Hat engineering resources. As such, these kinds of problems tend to be much lower priority. Also, for the video game issues at least, I often do not have the video game which triggers the question, so am unable to investigate the issue without forking out $70 or more out of my own pocket, although I do have RTCW, and a few others... Often, the problems are bugs in the kernel DRM code, and sometimes get fixed magically when the DRM gets updated and a new kernel pushed out in an update. Other times the problems are motherboard or video card specific, and we simply don't have the hardware. Or it could be the specific combination of video card and motherboard chipset, operating with a specific AGP speed. The number of variables one can chase around are staggering potentially, and a lot of time can be spent. In short, DRI/DRM related bugs found in X, should always be reported directly to the DRI project, as there are 10+ developers who more or less do nothing but develop DRI all day long, and troubleshoot these types of issues. It's much more likely to be fixed by them, and patches that come out of it possibly included in our future kernel and/or XFree86 updates, than it is likely to get 2 or 3 weeks of my or John's very limited time. However, even if someone does report this upstream to the DRI project (preferably by way of http://bugs.xfree86.org), it's always a good idea to keep reporting the bugs in Red Hat bugzilla also, in order for me to be aware of the problem, and be able to track it upstream, or to have some fun poking at video games on the weekend to try and fix it in my own personal time. I know these types of responses are not the kind that users expect or want to hear from developers, however I like to be straightforward and honest about these types of things. Developer resources are a very limited thing, and we need to spend our Red Hat engineering time on things that give the biggest bang and affect the most users out there, and bugs affecting business usage generally get preference over "toy" bugs such as video games and screensavers (although what I do in my spare time on weekends can definitely be quite the opposite ). Also, the more a person is willing to crack out a debugger, or to sprinkle printk()'s in the DRM source code, and hop on #dri-devel on irc.freenode.net and stay in the channel for a week or more along with developers, the more us foolish developers can be sucked into devoting some of our personal time to such problems too. Not that it's easy or anything, but some determined folk have showed up, and hounded us until they were able to fix a problem themselves, with no prior XFree86 or kernel programming knowledge, so it is possible. ;o) I can be found usually on #dri-devel, #xfree86, #xwin, #freedesktop and other channels on irc.freenode.net, however I'm not always there when I'm there... If someone comes hunting me down, you're best off staying in the channel and idling until myself or others can help with debugging/etc. Hope this helps explain things, and at the same time give people some perspective, and some insight into the best way to go about seeking solutions to these types of problems in a way that can yield faster fixes and whatnot. TTYL -- Mike A. Harris ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris OS Systems Engineer - XFree86 maintainer - Red Hat From 1midniterider at comcast.net Thu Oct 9 09:28:49 2003 From: 1midniterider at comcast.net (Marcus White) Date: 09 Oct 2003 05:28:49 -0400 Subject: "top" utility returns bogus info Message-ID: <1065691729.10422.196.camel@tbird> G'day, Has anyone else noticed that "top" when run in a gui terminal window (ie konsole, gnome-terminal, xterm) displays bogus info for the percentage totals for the "CPU states"? -- Marcus White <1midniterider at comcast.net> From shrek-m at gmx.de Thu Oct 9 09:32:06 2003 From: shrek-m at gmx.de (shrek-m at gmx.de) Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 11:32:06 +0200 Subject: What are consequences (the lack of freedom on the USA) In-Reply-To: <78292DA462BCDF41B4A7DF6EAF1AABA990AC74@evs2.econ.usyd.edu.au> References: <78292DA462BCDF41B4A7DF6EAF1AABA990AC74@evs2.econ.usyd.edu.au> Message-ID: <3F852B16.90805@gmx.de> Andre Verheij wrote: >I think this person should be banned from the mailing list. > > i agree! i was shocked by his statement too, but give him a chance to explain or to apologize. if he will not do this, let him unsubscribe himself. http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list if this will not work, ok. then bann/unsubsribe him in a few days. to Mr. Thiago Vinhas de Moreas: from our neighbour-town (in germany near the frontier to france) were dying people in these aeroplanes and in the WTC, i can assure you that i know nobody how can share your opinion. - shrek-m (germany) ---- From: Thiago Vinhas de Moraes To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com Subject: Re: What are consequences (the lack of freedom on the USA) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 19:11:13 -0300 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.4 (1.4.4-7) Em Seg, 2003-09-22 ?s 18:54, Alan Cox escreveu: > Fedora being US based is not a solution and was not a solution for those > non US citizens entitled to use some things that US citizens are forbidden. > Its no different to everything else - multiregion DVD players are the norm > except in the USA, but that doesn't mean US citizens can safely import > them or that the ability to import them 'solves the problem' > > For non US citizens solving the problem means solving it outside the USA > without US companies help. [...] It's sad to say, but like all the people on the world, I loved to see the two WTC towers going down. Regards, Thiago [...] ---- ---- From: Thiago Vinhas de Moraes To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com Subject: Re: Graphical boot issues: a.o. graphical boot twice slower then text boot!!! Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 18:04:25 -0300 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.5 (1.4.5-2) Em Qua, 2003-10-08 ?s 18:01, Bill Nottingham escreveu: ---- >-----Original Message----- >From: Mike A. Harris [mailto:mharris at redhat.com] >Sent: Thursday, 9 October 2003 5:35 PM >To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com >Subject: Re: What are consequences (the lack of freedom on the USA) > > >On Mon, 22 Sep 2003, Thiago Vinhas de Moraes wrote: > > > >>It's sad to say, but like all the people on the world, I loved to see >>the two WTC towers going down. >> >> > >This is an absolutely disgusting and disturbing statement in >every way imaginable. To state publically that you personally >approved of the wholesale slaughtering of thousands of innocent >lives in one of the most gruesome acts of terror to happen within >our livetimes does not say much for you as a human being. > >I'm disgusted enough by this to consider unsubscribing from this list. > > > -- shrek-m From mharris at redhat.com Thu Oct 9 09:33:37 2003 From: mharris at redhat.com (Mike A. Harris) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 05:33:37 -0400 (EDT) Subject: DRI missing! In-Reply-To: <1065247917.6746.10.camel@Linux1> References: <1065247917.6746.10.camel@Linux1> Message-ID: On Sat, 4 Oct 2003, Bjorn Andersen wrote: >I have updated from rawhide, and is running XFree86-xx-4.3.0-34 and >kernel-smp-2.4.22-1.2082.nptl on a Intel HT perl MB. I am using a MSI >Gforce FX5600 with 256 mb ram. > >Now, after the update, im not able to play Unreal Tournament 2003. Not >even with an older kernel (and non smp-kernels too). UT2003 are exiting >with: > >Xlib: extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0". >GL_EXT_bgra not supported - bailing out. > >History: > >Exiting due to error > >I have the Nvidia driver installed, and i have played it before under >Fedora test 2. > >Is it a bug in XFree ? XFree86 does not, and has never supported DRI on any Nvidia video hardware. You will never have the DRI extension for any Nvidia card using any video driver with XFree86. The only way to get 3D acceleration with the Nvidia hardware you have is to use Nvidia's proprietary video drivers (which do not use DRI, but use their own method of doing direct rendering), or to use some other 3rd party proprietary driver. -- Mike A. Harris ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris OS Systems Engineer - XFree86 maintainer - Red Hat From mharris at redhat.com Thu Oct 9 09:38:41 2003 From: mharris at redhat.com (Mike A. Harris) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 05:38:41 -0400 (EDT) Subject: getting pine to run under fedora 0.94 -- a couple issues In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sun, 5 Oct 2003, Robert P. J. Day wrote: > a couple issues regarding getting pine to run under fedora 0.94. as i >found out, you can't just download and re-install a recent pine binary RPM >on to fedora, as the kerberos libs have changed and don't supply the >required libcom_err.so.3 that pine is looking for. so, in case you're >trying to do just that, here's what seems to work. > > provided you don't need kerberos support in pine, grab a source >RPM and install it: > > # rpm -ivh pine...src.rpm > > go to the install directory, edit the pine.spec file, and add the line > >%define nokerberos 1 > > save, exit, and > > # rpmbuild -bb pine.spec > >that should give you a usable pine binary rpm. and the second point. > > when i asked about this on another list, i'm sure i was pointed to a >filed bugzilla entry on this. just now, i tried to query for this report, >but was utterly unable to find it. i tried to be as general as possible, >"fedora", "test2", didn't even specify a status or anything. but got no >hits. > > can someone provide the magic incantation that would have produced this >bug report, based on the relevant keywords? sometimes, bugzilla can be >maddeningly non-productive. Here are my current pine src.rpm, which should compile on any Red Hat Linux release cleanly, including rawhide/Fedora: ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris/pine/pine-4.58-1.src.rpm This is a binary compiled on Red Hat Linux 8.0, which works for me in 8.0: ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris/pine/pine-4.58-1.i386.rpm I will continue to unofficially maintain pine rpms in this manner as long as I still use pine personally most likely. In the future, I might move the package into Fedora Extras or whatever is appropriate, or I might put up yum/apt metadata files so people can add my repository to their default config and get pine (and other software) from there. I don't have anything set up yet though... -- Mike A. Harris ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris OS Systems Engineer - XFree86 maintainer - Red Hat From mharris at redhat.com Thu Oct 9 09:47:54 2003 From: mharris at redhat.com (Mike A. Harris) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 05:47:54 -0400 (EDT) Subject: getting pine to run under fedora 0.94 -- a couple issues In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, 8 Oct 2003, Robert P. J. Day wrote: >> I found it by doing a quick search on "libcom_err.so.3" . It was filed >> on the "distribution" component which maybe is why you didn't find it. >> I guess this is correct because it can't be a problem with pine, since >> there is no pine in FC test2, but it's also not really a problem with >> kerberos, since nothing else needs this. Not sure how this can be resolved. > >i know, it's a tough call. even bill from red hat observes, in that bug >report, that it's not proper to obsolete pine. but, OTOH, if it's not >part of the official distro, there's no obligation on red hat's part to >see that it still works. bummer. I'm the maintainer of the pine package in the distribution for releases in which it is supported, and I continue to maintain it unofficially for releases in which Red Hat does not officially support it. The difference between the two, is that for officially supported releases, I will be providing security updates, and in the past major bug fixes as well. For the newer versions of pine which are not officially supported by Red Hat, I am doing it voluntarily because I use the software myself (despite it's evil license, and development being done in a black room with no windows). As security issues arise with pine 4.5x and newer releases that come out, I'll be applying security fixes to my RPM packages that are made available from the pine team or others in the community, however I probably wont spend any time developing fixes myself. One other difference, is that I will track the current upstream pine version, and when new versions come out, I'll update to them instead of backporting bug and security fixes to older versions. That relieves me of the annoying burdens pine maintenance sometimes imposes at the most inopportune times. ;o) >i like pine since it's CLI -- i have no overwhelming interest in a >GUI-based email client, but i suspect i'll have to bite the bullet >and move over at some point. (for people who migrated off of pine, >what did you find the easiest to move to? just curious.) There is an alternative to pine called "cone" which I will be investigating for possible inclusion in Fedora Core 2. It is produced by the Courier MTA people, and I've heard good things about it, although I don't know if it provides all of the functionality that pine does yet or not. If it provides the features I need from pine, I'll probably bite my tongue some day and make the switch. Having been a pine user for about 9 years across many operating systems and architectures, it'll be hard to let go of pine, even though it is evil... ;o) In some ways, using pine feels like wearing Sauron's one true ring... It's hard to shake. Where's Gollum when you need him... -- Mike A. Harris ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris OS Systems Engineer - XFree86 maintainer - Red Hat From pmatilai at welho.com Thu Oct 9 09:49:17 2003 From: pmatilai at welho.com (Panu Matilainen) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 12:49:17 +0300 Subject: getting pine to run under fedora 0.94 -- a couple issues In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1065692957.3f852f1d5e1eb@webmail.welho.com> Quoting "Mike A. Harris" : > I will continue to unofficially maintain pine rpms in this manner > as long as I still use pine personally most likely. In the > future, I might move the package into Fedora Extras or whatever > is appropriate, or I might put up yum/apt metadata files so > people can add my repository to their default config and get pine > (and other software) from there. I don't have anything set up > yet though... Mike, instead of setting up yet-another-repository please consider submitting the pine package to fedora.us for now (until Fedora Extras exists). It's very much in my personal interests to see that it gets QA'ed and published there rather sooner than later... -- - Panu - From mharris at redhat.com Thu Oct 9 10:00:02 2003 From: mharris at redhat.com (Mike A. Harris) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 06:00:02 -0400 (EDT) Subject: redhat-config-xfree86-0.9.9-2 Traceback on a dual head ATI In-Reply-To: <3F82F13B.7090702@mitre.org> References: <200310071200.56270.elwoo@videotron.ca> <3F82F13B.7090702@mitre.org> Message-ID: On Tue, 7 Oct 2003, Mark Heslep wrote: >Latest redhat-config-xfree86 w/ the dual head code tracebacks on a dual >head ATI FireGL X1. Displays: NEC LCD 1860NX, Dell P991. >I have X working manually with the stock 'radeon' driver but only single >head so far; ATI's fglrx drivers do the job for dual head though w/ no >Xinerama - a deal breaker. Yes the fglrx package is removed and >lib-Mesa reinstalled for these results: > >$ rpm -q redhat-config-xfree86 >redhat-config-xfree86-0.9.9-2 > >$ /sbin/lspci >... >01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon R300 NG >[FireGL X1] (rev 80) >01:00.1 Display controller: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon R300 [FireGL X1] >(Secondary) (rev 80) You're partially in luck... Miraculously, I actually have an ATI FireGL X1 256p, and a Dell P991 monitor, however only one of each. The downside is that the only 2 machines I have with an AGP Pro slot to plug the FireGL X1 beast into are an Intel Itanium 2 box (HP zx2000), and my main workstation which is a huge PITA to reboot, so I avoid ever changing it's video hardware. However, if this problem persists and is proven or proven beyond a reasonable doubt to be a video driver problem using XFree86 4.3.0-37 or later, I'm willing to bite my tongue and put the X1 into my workstation for some debugging. Of course, only with the OSS drivers, not the fgl ones from ATI. ;o) Just a note, for dualhead support of any ATI, Matrox, etc. adaptor, both device sections must contain a BusId, and it must be identical in both sections (lots of people get this incorrect). Head 1 section needs a "Screen 0", and head 2 needs "Screen 1". I have a sample config somewhere on people.redhat.com in ftp... Let me know how you make out fiddling/testing. Be sure to use 4.3.0-37 or later. -- Mike A. Harris ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris OS Systems Engineer - XFree86 maintainer - Red Hat From matthias at rpmforge.net Thu Oct 9 10:01:56 2003 From: matthias at rpmforge.net (Matthias Saou) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 12:01:56 +0200 Subject: mozilla-nspr-1.4.1-4.i386.rpm MD5Sum mismatch In-Reply-To: References: <3F850CE2.4040800@togami.com> Message-ID: <20031009120156.05f3cc04.matthias@rpmforge.net> Pau Aliagas wrote : > There's some problem wih this rpm. > > Failed to fetch > http://ayo.freshrpms.net/redhat/rawhide/i386/RPMS.os/mozilla-nspr-1.4.1-4.i386.rpm > > MD5Sum mismatch > E: Unable to fetch some archives, maybe run apt-get update or try with > --fix-missing? > > --fix-missing does not fix it. Looks like the file is corrupted on that server : wget \ http://ayo.freshrpms.net/redhat/rawhide/i386/RPMS.os/mozilla-nspr-1.4.1-4.i386.rpm rpm -K --nosignature mozilla-nspr-1.4.1-4.i386.rpm mozilla-nspr-1.4.1-4.i386.rpm: sha1 MD5 NOT OK The same file on ayo.us.freshrpms.net is fine though, so you may want to temporarily use that one instead. I'll see what I can do on the main ayo server (ayo.ie currently), as I don't have access to the Red Hat Linux mirrored files there. Matthias -- Clean custom Red Hat Linux rpm packages : http://freshrpms.net/ Raw Hide 20031008 - Linux kernel 2.4.22-20.1.2024.2.36.nptl Load : 0.24 0.24 0.19 From mharris at redhat.com Thu Oct 9 10:12:35 2003 From: mharris at redhat.com (Mike A. Harris) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 06:12:35 -0400 (EDT) Subject: advanced configuration options in redhar-config-xfree86 In-Reply-To: <200310081840.h98Iewj19274@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <200310081840.h98Iewj19274@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 8 Oct 2003, Alan Cox wrote: >> redhat-config-xfree86 in RH9 has many advanced configurtion options - >> ability to specify monitor refresh rates, DPI, video memory size, etc. >> >> Why all these options were removed in Fedora? > >videoram is still settable using the command line option only. That or >someone forgot to update the texts. The DPI are still present in the >program too (including the measure your monitor dialog). Not for long... ;o) The Radeon driver will ignore any user specified VideoRAM setting provided in the config file. The "radeon" driver properly autodetects video memory amount on all known and supported Radeon video hardware, and the only usage of the VideoRAM option by users has resulted in bogus bug reports for me and/or John to troubleshoot, so the option is now killed for this driver. The option will be killed for other drivers in the future also. My plan is to only allow the VideoRAM option to be used for drivers to which there are known problems with detecting video memory, and to restrict its usage to the specific problematic hardware, and also to restrict the range of values to sensible values that real hardware was released for. There are only 3 valid uses of the VideoRAM setting aside from that which I can think of: 1) The i8xx driver allows this option to specify how much system memory is assigned for video memory on UMA systems. That is fine, and aparently works ok, and has proper limit checking to ensure users can't say they have 128Mb of memory if the system only permits say 64Mb. 2) User has bad video memory of which the bad memory is in the upper 32Mb of a 64Mb card for example, and wants to limit video memory to 32Mb in order to use the card safely. This is a very rare occurance, and few people are likely to realize they can even do this. In these cases they can recompile the driver, or politely ask me to build them a custom driver if they like, and I'd be more than glad to do so. In the future, I'll probably enhance the option to allow users to choose power-of-2 multiples of memory less than the hardware's true amount within some boundary for this. 3) Developers working on video drivers sometimes use this option to limit video memory for various reasons such as testing performance of thigns in less memory, etc. - in this case, they're a developer and can are compiling their own driver anyway. >Refresh rate is lacking - which is a problem because many >countries have 72Hz health and safety minimums for workers using >crt monitors and the tools dont seem to generate 72Hz or better >in all cases they can automatically. The refresh rate can be controlled via the xrandr commandline tool, and the panel applet tool. The refresh rate can be restricted to 72Hz or higher, by making 72Hz the lower limit of the vertical refresh in the config file (VertRefresh). I definitely agree users should be able to choose their refresh rate easily somehow, and that the default should be as high as possible that the given hardware combination they're using. The X server automatically does that if the config file ranges are specified correctly, but the user may want to limit the lower limit to keep it within EU safety range. -- Mike A. Harris ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris OS Systems Engineer - XFree86 maintainer - Red Hat From mharris at redhat.com Thu Oct 9 10:15:31 2003 From: mharris at redhat.com (Mike A. Harris) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 06:15:31 -0400 (EDT) Subject: KDE desktop: not many here using it? In-Reply-To: <200310081311.26888.elwoo@videotron.ca> References: <200310081311.26888.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: On Wed, 8 Oct 2003, Elton Woo wrote: >Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 13:11:26 -0400 >From: Elton Woo >To: fedora-test-list >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >List-Id: For testers of Red Hat Linux beta releases > >Subject: KDE desktop: not many here using it? > >I wonder if the users of KDE (here on the list) are a very small >minority? I'd like to know if aqnyone else has seen this: > >SUMMARY: KDE Control Center does not build Help Index >http://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=104478 >(... in administrator mode, of course..) I use KDE, however I must admit to never using KDE help. -- Mike A. Harris ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris OS Systems Engineer - XFree86 maintainer - Red Hat From linuxnow at newtral.org Thu Oct 9 10:17:42 2003 From: linuxnow at newtral.org (Pau Aliagas) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 12:17:42 +0200 (CEST) Subject: mozilla-nspr-1.4.1-4.i386.rpm MD5Sum mismatch In-Reply-To: <20031009120156.05f3cc04.matthias@rpmforge.net> Message-ID: On Thu, 9 Oct 2003, Matthias Saou wrote: > Looks like the file is corrupted on that server : > wget \ > http://ayo.freshrpms.net/redhat/rawhide/i386/RPMS.os/mozilla-nspr-1.4.1-4.i386.rpm > rpm -K --nosignature mozilla-nspr-1.4.1-4.i386.rpm > mozilla-nspr-1.4.1-4.i386.rpm: sha1 MD5 NOT OK > > The same file on ayo.us.freshrpms.net is fine though, so you may want to > temporarily use that one instead. I'll see what I can do on the main ayo > server (ayo.ie currently), as I don't have access to the Red Hat Linux > mirrored files there. That did the trick. Thx. Pau From david.balazic at uni-mb.si Thu Oct 9 10:48:17 2003 From: david.balazic at uni-mb.si (DAVID BALAZIC) Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 12:48:17 +0200 Subject: What are consequences (the lack of freedom on the USA) Message-ID: <01L1MIVTZ40Y004SPU@rcum.uni-mb.si> From: "shrek-m at gmx.de" >Andre Verheij wrote: > >>I think this person should be banned from the mailing list. >> >> > >i agree! But there is no censorship. There is freedom of speech. This is a good occasion to show whether you respect human rights and your own constitution or whether you are just a bunch of hypocrites. -- David Balazic E-mail : david.balazic at uni-mb.si | living in sLOVEnija home page: http://surf.to/stein -- From redhat-jc at insight.rr.com Thu Oct 9 11:11:46 2003 From: redhat-jc at insight.rr.com (Jim Cornette) Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 07:11:46 -0400 Subject: 3com 905 ethernet card problems In-Reply-To: <3F843B68.9020603@coresma.com> References: <3F8430CF.1080104@coresma.com> <20031008160924.GE13124@redhat.com> <3F843B68.9020603@coresma.com> Message-ID: <3F854272.6030509@insight.rr.com> Pavel Rosenboim wrote: > Dave Jones wrote: > >> On Wed, Oct 08, 2003 at 11:00:48AM -0500, Justin M. Forbes wrote: >> > > I'm using 3com 905 (boomerang) ethernet card. In fedora it is >> completely >> > > non-functional. Sometimes I see messages about transmit errors on >> the >> > > console. This card works fine with 2.6.0-test6 kernel, but not >> with any >> > > of Fedora kernels. Anyone see the same behavior? >> > > I saw similar behavior on my AMD64 system in 64bit mode. The >> answer was > to boot with acpi=off (add it to your grub.conf if it >> works). As it is an > ACPI issue, it might not be limited to 64bit >> kernels. More detail is > available in bugzilla for taroon, > >> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=105917 >> >> Fedora kernel has quite a few ACPI fixes in the interrupt routing area, >> which Taroon doesn't have, so this shouldn't be the cause. >> It is possible however there are still a few corner cases. >> >> If the 3com problem goes away with acpi disabled (Ie, don't pass >> acpi=on or acpi=force at boot time), then there's still something still >> not quite right. > > > Just tried to boot with acpi=off. Same behavior. > > Pavel. > Do you get an error relating to check cable during booting? I did! Since your card sounds similar to the card that I had troubles with. I was wondering if it gave you a similar error on system startup. Jim -- Blame Saint Andreas -- it's all his fault. From pavelr at coresma.com Thu Oct 9 11:18:11 2003 From: pavelr at coresma.com (Pavel Rosenboim) Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 13:18:11 +0200 Subject: What are consequences (the lack of freedom on the USA) In-Reply-To: <01L1MIVTZ40Y004SPU@rcum.uni-mb.si> References: <01L1MIVTZ40Y004SPU@rcum.uni-mb.si> Message-ID: <3F8543F3.1010601@coresma.com> DAVID BALAZIC wrote: > From: "shrek-m at gmx.de" > >>Andre Verheij wrote: >> >> >>>I think this person should be banned from the mailing list. >>> >>> >> >>i agree! > > > But there is no censorship. There is freedom of speech. His comment (and this whole discussion) is completely off-topic on this list. > > This is a good occasion to show whether you respect > human rights and your own constitution or whether you are > just a bunch of hypocrites. There are some limitations on the freedom of speech. Thing like racist propaganda, for example, are beyond freedom of speech definition. I must say that I was also shocked by his comment, and I definitely do not belong to "all the people of the world" that were happy to see WTC building collapsed. From dennis at ausil.us Thu Oct 9 11:20:48 2003 From: dennis at ausil.us (Dennis Gilmore) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 21:20:48 +1000 Subject: KDE desktop: not many here using it? In-Reply-To: References: <200310081311.26888.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <200310092120.53434.dennis@ausil.us> Once upon a time at band camp Thu, 9 Oct 2003 8:15 pm, Mike A. Harris wrote: > >SUMMARY: KDE Control Center does not build Help Index > >http://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=104478 > >(... in administrator mode, of course..) > > I use KDE, however I must admit to never using KDE help. I also use KDE but can not remeber the last time i went to use KDE help Dennis -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: signature URL: From pavelr at coresma.com Thu Oct 9 11:24:52 2003 From: pavelr at coresma.com (Pavel Rosenboim) Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 13:24:52 +0200 Subject: 3com 905 ethernet card problems In-Reply-To: <3F854272.6030509@insight.rr.com> References: <3F8430CF.1080104@coresma.com> <20031008160924.GE13124@redhat.com> <3F843B68.9020603@coresma.com> <3F854272.6030509@insight.rr.com> Message-ID: <3F854584.40709@coresma.com> Jim Cornette wrote: > Pavel Rosenboim wrote: > >> Dave Jones wrote: >> >>> On Wed, Oct 08, 2003 at 11:00:48AM -0500, Justin M. Forbes wrote: >>> > > I'm using 3com 905 (boomerang) ethernet card. In fedora it is >>> completely >>> > > non-functional. Sometimes I see messages about transmit errors >>> on the >>> > > console. This card works fine with 2.6.0-test6 kernel, but not >>> with any >>> > > of Fedora kernels. Anyone see the same behavior? >>> > > I saw similar behavior on my AMD64 system in 64bit mode. The >>> answer was > to boot with acpi=off (add it to your grub.conf if it >>> works). As it is an > ACPI issue, it might not be limited to 64bit >>> kernels. More detail is > available in bugzilla for taroon, > >>> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=105917 >>> >>> Fedora kernel has quite a few ACPI fixes in the interrupt routing area, >>> which Taroon doesn't have, so this shouldn't be the cause. >>> It is possible however there are still a few corner cases. >>> >>> If the 3com problem goes away with acpi disabled (Ie, don't pass >>> acpi=on or acpi=force at boot time), then there's still something still >>> not quite right. >> >> >> >> Just tried to boot with acpi=off. Same behavior. >> >> Pavel. >> > > Do you get an error relating to check cable during booting? I did! Since > your card sounds similar to the card that I had troubles with. I was > wondering if it gave you a similar error on system startup. I don't remember any such messages. From enrico.scholz at informatik.tu-chemnitz.de Thu Oct 9 11:29:44 2003 From: enrico.scholz at informatik.tu-chemnitz.de (Enrico Scholz) Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 13:29:44 +0200 Subject: filesystem RPM causes trouble with NFS mounted /home In-Reply-To: <3F851815.1090402@spiritone.com> (Steve Ward's message of "Thu, 09 Oct 2003 01:11:01 -0700") References: <20031009072001.24325.54039.Mailman@listman.back-rdu.redhat.com> <3F851815.1090402@spiritone.com> Message-ID: <878ynu1wev.fsf@kosh.ultra.csn.tu-chemnitz.de> stevewa at spiritone.com (Steve Ward) writes: > One of the updated packages was the "filesystem" RPM which failed to > install on my system due to an NFS mounted /home directory. Simple solution: add '%_netsharedpath /home' to /etc/rpm/macros. Enrico From kaboom at gatech.edu Thu Oct 9 11:32:04 2003 From: kaboom at gatech.edu (Chris Ricker) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 07:32:04 -0400 (EDT) Subject: getting pine to run under fedora 0.94 -- a couple issues In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 9 Oct 2003, Mike A. Harris wrote: > There is an alternative to pine called "cone" which I will be > investigating for possible inclusion in Fedora Core 2. It is produced by > the Courier MTA people, and I've heard good things about it, although I > don't know if it provides all of the functionality that pine does yet or > not. If it provides the features I need from pine, I'll probably bite my > tongue some day and make the switch. Having been a pine user for about 9 > years across many operating systems and architectures, it'll be hard to > let go of pine, even though it is evil... ;o) In some ways, using pine > feels like wearing Sauron's one true ring... It's hard to shake. cone is like pine the same way mutt is like pine -- both are similar to pine, but when you have a decade of pine keystroke usage permanently engrained into your fingers' memory and pine interface expectations seared on your retina, they're not similar enough ;-) later, chris From redhat-jc at insight.rr.com Thu Oct 9 11:32:31 2003 From: redhat-jc at insight.rr.com (Jim Cornette) Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 07:32:31 -0400 Subject: 3com 905 ethernet card problems In-Reply-To: <20031008165505.I32153@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <3F8430CF.1080104@coresma.com> <20031008165505.I32153@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <3F85474F.4030605@insight.rr.com> Bill Nottingham wrote: > Pavel Rosenboim (pavelr at coresma.com) said: > >>I'm using 3com 905 (boomerang) ethernet card. In fedora it is completely >>non-functional. Sometimes I see messages about transmit errors on the >>console. This card works fine with 2.6.0-test6 kernel, but not with any >>of Fedora kernels. Anyone see the same behavior? > > > Yes, there are probably 5-10 instances of 3c59x failing completely > in bugzilla; dunno what the issue is yet. > > Bill > It seems that a lot of people decided to switch out their cards. I don't know how many users swapped cards and did not report the problems encountered with the card. My problem seemed that it was detected as the wrong card and the wrong driver was installed for Severn and later kernels. Severn was my first encounter with the card misbehaving fully. (Check cable). I did have troubles starting GNOME with later nptl versions of the kernel with RHL 9. I backed off to sticking with the latest released kernels. (not even suspecting NIC related failures. Just a busting GNOME with later kernels) Jim -- Blame Saint Andreas -- it's all his fault. From angela at kahealani.com Thu Oct 9 11:43:22 2003 From: angela at kahealani.com (Angela Kahealani) Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 01:43:22 -1000 Subject: fedora-test-list digest, Vol 1 #246 - 23 msgs References: <20031009111500.10075.45187.Mailman@listman.back-rdu.redhat.com> Message-ID: <3F8549DA.F5C0B07@kahealani.com> fedora-test-list-request at redhat.com wrote: > Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 03:34:55 -0400 (EDT) > From: "Mike A. Harris" > To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com > Subject: Re: What are consequences (the lack of freedom on the USA) > Organization: Red Hat Inc. > Reply-To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com > > On Mon, 22 Sep 2003, Thiago Vinhas de Moraes wrote: > > >It's sad to say, but like all the people on the world, I loved to see > >the two WTC towers going down. > > This is an absolutely disgusting and disturbing statement in > every way imaginable. To state publically that you personally > approved of the wholesale slaughtering of thousands of innocent > lives in one of the most gruesome acts of terror to happen within > our livetimes does not say much for you as a human being. > > I'm disgusted enough by this to consider unsubscribing from this > list. > > -- > Mike A. Harris ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris > OS Systems Engineer - XFree86 maintainer - Red Hat This is off-topic abuse of the mailing list. Cease and desist this thread of discussion. NOW! Period. It doesn't matter WHAT opinion about ANY politics is expressed by ANY person, it has NO place on this list. -- Copyright 2003 Angela Kahealani. All rights reserved without prejudice; UCC1-207. All information and transactions are non negotiable and are private between the parties. http://www.kahealani.com/ From jansen at strw.leidenuniv.nl Thu Oct 9 11:50:06 2003 From: jansen at strw.leidenuniv.nl (David Jansen) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 13:50:06 +0200 Subject: [FEDORA] Re: New RHGB in rawhide Message-ID: <20031009115006.GA18981@strw.leidenuniv.nl> On Thu, Oct 09, 2003 at 01:10:48AM +0200, Erik Englund wrote: > I'm not an expert so i don't know if this should work but what about > some file that the installation program create, in that file there could > be info on what groups and packages the user chose to install (and which > he/she chose not to install). > and next time when you upgrade the installation program check this file > to see if there where any changes, and if there is new packages it ask > whatever you want to install them or not (and of course it doesn't > install packages you have uninstalled). Doesn't sounds to complicated to > me :) > > Erik What may help is if it once again becomes possible to modify the package selection when doing an upgrade. I remember that such an option was present in redhat 8.0 and 9 9and probably others). David From zboszor at freemail.hu Thu Oct 9 13:01:22 2003 From: zboszor at freemail.hu (Boszormenyi Zoltan) Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 15:01:22 +0200 Subject: Metacity-2.6.2 and gtk_window_fullscreen() Message-ID: <3F855C22.2030801@freemail.hu> Hi, I am running an almost uptodate fedora/rawhide system. I develop an in-house program using Glade2 and I use gtk_window_fullscreen() to cover the desktop from the user. The code I use is something like this: ******************************************** mainwin = create_mainwin(); gtk_window_fullscreen(GTK_WINDOW(mainwin)); gtk_widget_show(mainwin); dialog = create_startdialog(); gtk_window_set_transient_for(GTK_WINDOW(dialog), GTK_WINDOW(mainwin)); gtk_widget_show (dialog); ******************************************** In RH9 (using sawfish) the mainwin is switched to fullscreen and the dialog (a login window) appears above it, so it is visible. In Fedora (using metacity) the mainwin is switched to fullscreen but the dialog is not visible, but as it is modal, it grabs the focus. Highly annoying. Is there a usable setup program for metacity to change that behaviour or is it a bug in metacity? OR how can I change the window manager in GNOME-2.4? -- Best regards, Zolt?n B?sz?rm?nyi --------------------- What did Hussein say about his knife? One in Bush worth two in the hand. From chrisw01 at privatei.com Thu Oct 9 13:24:02 2003 From: chrisw01 at privatei.com (Christopher A. Williams) Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 07:24:02 -0600 Subject: What are consequences (the lack of freedom on the USA) In-Reply-To: <01L1MIVTZ40Y004SPU@rcum.uni-mb.si> References: <01L1MIVTZ40Y004SPU@rcum.uni-mb.si> Message-ID: <1065705842.20701.12.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> On Thu, 2003-10-09 at 04:48, DAVID BALAZIC wrote: > From: "shrek-m at gmx.de" > > >Andre Verheij wrote: > > > >>I think this person should be banned from the mailing list. > >> > > > >i agree! > > But there is no censorship. There is freedom of speech. > > This is a good occasion to show whether you respect > human rights and your own constitution or whether you are > just a bunch of hypocrites. Obviously, you do not understand what Freedom of Speech means in the US. I can easily argue this person's statement is *not* protected speech for some important reasons like, for example, this list is not really a public forum and Red Hat Software is not the US government. Free Speech does not mean you have the right to say whatever you want whenever you want to. It guarantees only that you have the right to express yourself in a public, and relevant fashion without fear of retaliation from the *government*. Perhaps if you studied US federal laws and the US Constitution, you would understand this. But I don't blame you because many people not from the USA, some quite well educated, don't really understand US Free Speech either. For that matter, many people IN the USA don't understand this, but we won't go there. However, Red Hat would be fully within their legal rights to ban this person, or anyone else, from this list for such statements. Frankly I think they should. Free Speech simply does not apply here. Get over it. If his nose were to really get put in a crink over being banned, he would then have the option to resort to the US Court system. But he would most likely lose. And can we PLEASE, PLEASE talk about something relevant to Fedora on this list? This is getting pretty old... Chris -- ==================================== "If you get to thinkin' you're a person of some influence, try orderin' someone else's dog around." --Cowboy Wisdom From daniel-wittenberg at starken.com Thu Oct 9 14:07:00 2003 From: daniel-wittenberg at starken.com (Daniel Wittenberg) Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 09:07:00 -0500 Subject: pcmcia/kernel strangeness In-Reply-To: <1065643593.2237.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1065643593.2237.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1065708420.1211.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> Ok, I had a terminal window open when this happened this morning, so I managed to copy/paste to another editor. Does this mean anything to anyone? > Oct 9 03:41:31 runabout cardmgr[621]: executing: './network stop eth1' > Oct 9 03:41:33 runabout cardmgr[621]: executing: 'modprobe -r airo_cs' > Oct 9 03:41:33 runabout kernel: Unable to handle kernel paging request at virtual address 6b6b6b6b > Oct 9 03:41:33 runabout kernel: printing eip: > Oct 9 03:41:33 runabout kernel: 6b6b6b6b > Oct 9 03:41:33 runabout kernel: *pde = 00000000 > Oct 9 03:41:33 runabout kernel: Oops: 0000 > Oct 9 03:41:33 runabout kernel: i810_audio ac97_codec soundcore sd_mod floppy sr_mod parport_pc lp parport ds yenta_socket pcmcia_core irlan irda 3c59x ide-scsi scsi_mod ide-cd cdrom ohci139 > Oct 9 03:41:33 runabout kernel: CPU: 0 > Oct 9 03:41:33 runabout kernel: EIP: 0060:[<6b6b6b6b>] Not tainted > Oct 9 03:41:33 runabout kernel: EFLAGS: 00010202 > Oct 9 03:41:33 runabout kernel: > Oct 9 03:41:33 runabout kernel: EIP is at Using_Versions [] 0x6b6b6b6a (2.4.22-1.2087.nptl) > Oct 9 03:41:33 runabout kernel: eax: dd9e42c8 ebx: dffa1f90 ecx: 6b6b6b6b edx: 6b6b6b6b > Oct 9 03:41:33 runabout kernel: esi: dffa1f90 edi: dffa0332 ebp: dffa0000 esp: dffa1f88 > Oct 9 03:41:33 runabout kernel: ds: 0068 es: 0068 ss: 0068 > Oct 9 03:41:33 runabout kernel: Process keventd (pid: 2, stackpage=dffa1000) > Oct 9 03:41:33 runabout kernel: Stack: c012349a 6b6b6b6b dd9e42c8 dd9e42c8 00000001 c02888f9 c012d693 c03486f0 > Oct 9 03:41:33 runabout kernel: dffa1fb0 00000000 00000001 00000000 dffdff58 00010000 00000000 c012d580 > Oct 9 03:41:33 runabout kernel: 00000000 c03aa2b0 00000000 dffa0000 00000000 00000000 c012d580 00000000 > Oct 9 03:41:33 runabout kernel: Call Trace: [] __run_task_queue [kernel] 0x5a (0xdffa1f88) > Oct 9 03:41:33 runabout kernel: [] context_thread [kernel] 0x113 (0xdffa1fa0) > Oct 9 03:41:33 runabout kernel: [] context_thread [kernel] 0x0 (0xdffa1fc4) > Oct 9 03:41:33 runabout kernel: [] context_thread [kernel] 0x0 (0xdffa1fe0) > Oct 9 03:41:33 runabout kernel: [] kernel_thread_helper [kernel] 0x5 (0xdffa1ff0) > Oct 9 03:41:33 runabout kernel: > Oct 9 03:41:33 runabout kernel: > Oct 9 03:41:33 runabout kernel: Code: Bad EIP value. Right after this my keyboard was dead and had to reboot with the power switch.. Dan On Wed, 2003-10-08 at 15:06, Daniel Wittenberg wrote: > I noticed something that I can _almost_ always reproduce, not > consistently though. A lot of time when I remove my pc card (Cisco > Aironet 350) that my keyboard "dies" - no caps lock, nothing. BUT, I > can get into setup (FN+Setup) This is an Inspiron 8200 btw. I can open > new terminals with the mouse, but not type on anything, the only way I > found to fix it is to power off, and power on again. Anyone else seen > this ?? > > Dan -- ============================= Daniel Wittenberg RHCE+AS/IBM Certified Specialist President/CTO The Starken Group http://www.starken.com From jdy at cs.brown.edu Thu Oct 9 14:26:37 2003 From: jdy at cs.brown.edu (Joel Young) Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 10:26:37 -0400 Subject: battery app using much cpu In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 08 Oct 2003 21:23:14 -1000." <3F850CE2.4040800@togami.com> References: <3F84DC79.6060208@gci.net> <3F84DE85.9070208@togami.com> <1065675115.7532.1.camel@mutt.home.pc> <3F850CE2.4040800@togami.com> Message-ID: <20031009142637.2EF1D3F68@void.cs.brown.edu> From: Warren Togami > Known bug... > > Some guy in IRC said he knew of a patch to fix that, but I don't > remember the details. See here: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=104292 From jgeorgeson at lopht.net Thu Oct 9 14:31:05 2003 From: jgeorgeson at lopht.net (Justin Georgeson) Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 09:31:05 -0500 Subject: updates via apt References: <1065684271.3f850d2fd92cb@webmail.welho.com> Message-ID: <3F857129.3020802@lopht.net> Panu Matilainen wrote: > Quoting Pau Aliagas : > > >>On Wed, 8 Oct 2003, Justin Georgeson wrote: >> >> >>>I have it now, it's pulling 133 packages down. >>>The key was taking os and updates out of the download.fedora.us lines >> >>I've removed them and updates are available now. No way with them on. > > > My guess is you're using apt from fedora.us which has Default-Release set by > default, meaning that in order to install / get updates from other than > fedora.us repositories you need to use -t to override Default-Release. > I am. I eventually gave up. After downloading all the packages, mozilla-nspr had a bad MD5sum and 27 other packages had no signatures, so it wouldn't install them. I should have all the necessary keys installed. An rpm -qi `rpm -qa gpg-pubkey*` showed I have RH's beta, rawhide, and regular keys, fedora's key, Matthias's key, and the livna key. I just installed up2date and grabbed it all that way. From hoyt at cavtel.net Thu Oct 9 14:36:08 2003 From: hoyt at cavtel.net (HoytDuff) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 10:36:08 -0400 Subject: How to setup DMA on my CD-RW? In-Reply-To: <3F850B45.4040405@gmx.de> References: <1065479567.4495.0.camel@techbyte.com.br> <20031008234908.GA4003@orient.maison> <3F850B45.4040405@gmx.de> Message-ID: <200310091036.08631.hoyt@cavtel.net> On Thursday 09 October 2003 03:16 am, shrek-m at gmx.de wrote: > > steps to reproduce: > > 1. go to > http://www.distrowatch.com/ > > 2. go to redhat [#1 mandrake #2 redhat] > http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=redhat > Neither step is intuitive. Distrowatch for documentation? > 3. here you will find "documentation" > http://www.redhat.com/docs/ > This makes enough sense to be step #1. > 4. search for "dma cdrom sysconfig" > http://www.redhat.com/apps/search/results.html > Requires that you have enough knowledge to associate these three terms. > 5. here you can find he "Red Hat Linux 9 Red Hat Linux Reference Guide" > http://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/linux/RHL-9-Manual/pdf/rhl-rg-en-9.pdf > I would expect info on configuring hardware to _not_ be in a reference guide, but in the installation guide. > 6. it will be opened with xpdf, search dma=1 > on page 48 you can find chapter "4.1.10" > Again, requires that you already know the answer to your question before you ask it. > > here you are. > > /etc/sysconfig/harddiskhd[a-h] > USE_DMA=1 Like many things Linux, it's easy once you know the solution. Could you have found it had you not already known the answer? Possibly, but it's not as easy as you make it out to be. Here's a more real-world approach: 1. Start by searching http://www.google.com/linux for "How to setup DMA on my CD-RW". This assumes that you know enough to use better places to search for info. 2. First page of results provides clue that hdparm may be used to toggle DMA. 3. Read man page of hdparm, find the part that deals with DMA. 3. Manually implement this and verify that it does indeed provide some benefit. You must somehow make that leap of understanding to know that something related to sysconfig might help without knowing about sysconfig in the first place. 4. Try and figure it how to make DMA set to ON automatically. Interestingly, if I add "red hat" to the Google query, I found this link on page two that appears to answer provide and alternate answer to the question: http://www.jeremythompson.uklinux.net/RH8-0/DVD.html "2. To enable DMA access for the DVD drive (prevents video frame loss and gaps in the sound), add the following line to /etc/modules.conf: options ide-cd dma=1" Which, I believe, was in the release notes for Red Hat 8, the version that author was addressing. But where was that originally documented? In the docs for sysconfig which you had to know about before asking the question. Finding information is all about knowing what questions to ask and knowing where to ask them. Because of that, it's not an easy task. -- Hoyt From jeremyp at pobox.com Thu Oct 9 15:00:27 2003 From: jeremyp at pobox.com (Jeremy Portzer) Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 11:00:27 -0400 Subject: updates via apt In-Reply-To: <3F857129.3020802@lopht.net> References: <1065684271.3f850d2fd92cb@webmail.welho.com> <3F857129.3020802@lopht.net> Message-ID: <3F85780B.8000507@pobox.com> Justin Georgeson wrote: > > I am. I eventually gave up. After downloading all the packages, > mozilla-nspr had a bad MD5sum and 27 other packages had no signatures, > so it wouldn't install them. I should have all the necessary keys > installed. An rpm -qi `rpm -qa gpg-pubkey*` showed I have ... Minor off-topic point, but I thought I'd point out that you can get the same output with simply this: rpm -qi gpg-pubkey No need to run RPM twice, the query matches on gpg-pubkey and gives you all records, with the "i" (full information) format. --Jeremy -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I discovered, however, that the net hotplugging agent gets called before the usb agent. This seems backwards to me. It also means that I can't figure out how to properly set up the network configuration file to handle connecting the Zaurus and USB net interface in arbitrary order. Is it a bug that the net agent is called first? Any solutions? Tony -- Anthony Joseph Seward From Epps.Aaron at mayo.edu Thu Oct 9 15:22:40 2003 From: Epps.Aaron at mayo.edu (Epps, Aaron M.) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 10:22:40 -0500 Subject: RHN Error Message-ID: I just finished installing all the Fedora Core updates and now I get this message when I try to run up2date. Anybody know why I'm getting this? Your account does not have access to any channels matching (release='0.95', arch='i686-redhat-linux') If you have a registration number, please register with it first at http://www.redhat.com/apps/activate/ and then try again. Error Class Code: 19 Error Class Info: Architecture and OS version combination is not supported. Explanation: An error has occurred while processing your request. If this problem persists please enter a bug report at bugzilla.redhat.com. If you choose to submit the bug report, please be sure to include details of what you were trying to do when this error occurred and details on how to reproduce this problem. From jgeorgeson at lopht.net Thu Oct 9 15:28:45 2003 From: jgeorgeson at lopht.net (Justin Georgeson) Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 10:28:45 -0500 Subject: RHN Error References: Message-ID: <3F857EAD.1000107@lopht.net> Epps, Aaron M. wrote: > I just finished installing all the Fedora Core updates and now I get this message when I try to run up2date. Anybody know why I'm getting this? > > Your account does not have access to any channels matching (release='0.95', arch='i686-redhat-linux') > If you have a registration number, please register with it first at http://www.redhat.com/apps/activate/ and then try again. > Error Class Code: 19 > Error Class Info: Architecture and OS version combination is not supported. > Explanation: > An error has occurred while processing your request. If this problem > persists please enter a bug report at bugzilla.redhat.com. > If you choose to submit the bug report, please be sure to include > details of what you were trying to do when this error occurred and > details on how to reproduce this problem. Check that you have the fedora-release package installed, you can probably remove the redhat-release pacakge too. From dstewart at atl.lmco.com Thu Oct 9 15:32:31 2003 From: dstewart at atl.lmco.com (Douglas Stewart) Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 11:32:31 -0400 Subject: RHN Error In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3F857F8F.3090901@atl.lmco.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Epps, Aaron M. wrote: | I just finished installing all the Fedora Core updates and now I get this message when I try to run up2date. Anybody know why I'm getting this? | | Your account does not have access to any channels matching (release='0.95', arch='i686-redhat-linux') | If you have a registration number, please register with it first at http://www.redhat.com/apps/activate/ and then try again. | Error Class Code: 19 | Error Class Info: Architecture and OS version combination is not supported. | Explanation: | An error has occurred while processing your request. If this problem | persists please enter a bug report at bugzilla.redhat.com. | If you choose to submit the bug report, please be sure to include | details of what you were trying to do when this error occurred and | details on how to reproduce this problem. I, also, get that error. - -- - ---------- Doug Stewart Systems Administrator/Web Applications Developer Lockheed Martin Advanced Technology Labs Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/hX+PN50Q8DVvcvkRAvb8AJ9cAstsdsbRSYwdcgYoXnQ1qEULjACfcRFn qvGRE3e4tfAnwG90GP4P/1E= =3y6j -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From wortnews at charter.net Thu Oct 9 15:42:33 2003 From: wortnews at charter.net (Wort) Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 10:42:33 -0500 Subject: need to unsubscribe Message-ID: <1065714153.5107.6.camel@gandalf.castle> Have lost my initial emails from this list and cannot find a link to unsubscribe. Thanks From Epps.Aaron at mayo.edu Thu Oct 9 15:36:21 2003 From: Epps.Aaron at mayo.edu (Epps, Aaron M.) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 10:36:21 -0500 Subject: RHN Error Message-ID: I do have the fedora-release package installed and there isn't a redhat-release package on the system. -----Original Message----- From: Justin Georgeson [mailto:jgeorgeson at lopht.net] Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 10:29 AM To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com Subject: Re: RHN Error Epps, Aaron M. wrote: > I just finished installing all the Fedora Core updates and now I get this message when I try to run up2date. Anybody know why I'm getting this? > > Your account does not have access to any channels matching > (release='0.95', arch='i686-redhat-linux') If you have a registration number, please register with it first at http://www.redhat.com/apps/activate/ and then try again. > Error Class Code: 19 > Error Class Info: Architecture and OS version combination is not supported. > Explanation: > An error has occurred while processing your request. If this problem > persists please enter a bug report at bugzilla.redhat.com. > If you choose to submit the bug report, please be sure to include > details of what you were trying to do when this error occurred and > details on how to reproduce this problem. Check that you have the fedora-release package installed, you can probably remove the redhat-release pacakge too. -- fedora-test-list mailing list fedora-test-list at redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From paul at frields.com Thu Oct 9 15:45:17 2003 From: paul at frields.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: 09 Oct 2003 11:45:17 -0400 Subject: need to unsubscribe In-Reply-To: <1065714153.5107.6.camel@gandalf.castle> References: <1065714153.5107.6.camel@gandalf.castle> Message-ID: <1065714317.7904.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2003-10-09 at 11:42, Wort wrote: > Have lost my initial emails from this list and cannot > find a link to unsubscribe. It's at the bottom of every message on the list; see below for extra redundant redundancy: :-) > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list -- Paul W. Frields From Epps.Aaron at mayo.edu Thu Oct 9 15:38:43 2003 From: Epps.Aaron at mayo.edu (Epps, Aaron M.) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 10:38:43 -0500 Subject: RHN Error Message-ID: Also, I noticed that the fedora-release RPM I have installed is fedora-release-0.95-1 -----Original Message----- From: Epps, Aaron M. [mailto:Epps.Aaron at mayo.edu] Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 10:23 AM To: 'fedora-test-list at redhat.com' Subject: RHN Error I just finished installing all the Fedora Core updates and now I get this message when I try to run up2date. Anybody know why I'm getting this? Your account does not have access to any channels matching (release='0.95', arch='i686-redhat-linux') If you have a registration number, please register with it first at http://www.redhat.com/apps/activate/ and then try again. Error Class Code: 19 Error Class Info: Architecture and OS version combination is not supported. Explanation: An error has occurred while processing your request. If this problem persists please enter a bug report at bugzilla.redhat.com. If you choose to submit the bug report, please be sure to include details of what you were trying to do when this error occurred and details on how to reproduce this problem. -- fedora-test-list mailing list fedora-test-list at redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From denis at croombs.org Thu Oct 9 15:47:34 2003 From: denis at croombs.org (Denis Croombs) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 16:47:34 +0100 Subject: need to unsubscribe References: <1065714153.5107.6.camel@gandalf.castle> Message-ID: <024e01c38e7c$a8b021b0$85b8fea9@Laptop> > Have lost my initial emails from this list and cannot > find a link to unsubscribe. > > Thanks Use the link below:- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list Denis Croombs www.just-servers.co.uk -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. Marvin the E-Mail scanner From jgeorgeson at lopht.net Thu Oct 9 15:48:45 2003 From: jgeorgeson at lopht.net (Justin Georgeson) Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 10:48:45 -0500 Subject: RHN Error References: Message-ID: <3F85835D.4050404@lopht.net> Epps, Aaron M. wrote: > Also, I noticed that the fedora-release RPM I have installed is fedora-release-0.95-1 > upgrade it if you haven't already. That's how RHN determines what base channel to look in. From jgeorgeson at lopht.net Thu Oct 9 15:51:44 2003 From: jgeorgeson at lopht.net (Justin Georgeson) Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 10:51:44 -0500 Subject: RHN Error References: <3F85835D.4050404@lopht.net> Message-ID: <3F858410.7080502@lopht.net> Justin Georgeson wrote: > Epps, Aaron M. wrote: > >> Also, I noticed that the fedora-release RPM I have installed is >> fedora-release-0.95-1 > > > upgrade it if you haven't already. That's how RHN determines what base > channel to look in. Seems I replied a little hastily, as that is the latest version of fedora-release. Have you subscribed your system to the FC test2 updates channel at https://rhn.redhat.com? From jsmith at drgutah.com Thu Oct 9 15:58:47 2003 From: jsmith at drgutah.com (Jared Smith) Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 09:58:47 -0600 Subject: battery app using much cpu In-Reply-To: <3F850CE2.4040800@togami.com> References: <3F84DC79.6060208@gci.net> <3F84DE85.9070208@togami.com> <1065675115.7532.1.camel@mutt.home.pc> <3F850CE2.4040800@togami.com> Message-ID: <1065715127.16902.5.camel@banff.drgutah.com> On Thu, 2003-10-09 at 01:23, Warren Togami wrote: > Known bug... [snip] > I suspect Gnome's battery applet may be querying the battery info too > often. On my laptop with 2.4 or 2.6 kernel with ACPI enabled, Gnome's > battery applet causes constant 15-20% CPU usage with two noticable > hiccups per second where the mouse jumps because of loss of interactivity. > > Some guy in IRC said he knew of a patch to fix that, but I don't > remember the details. For what it's worth, I'm seeing something similar. When I use ACPI on my Dell Inspiron 8200, the CPU usage spikes up to 80-90% every couple of seconds. And while it makes pretty little lines on the CPU portion of the System Monitor applet, it's really annoying... Has this been filed in bugzilla yet? If so, do you happen to know the number? Jared Smith From gstool at earthlink.net Thu Oct 9 16:04:03 2003 From: gstool at earthlink.net (Gerry Tool) Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 11:04:03 -0500 Subject: RHN Error In-Reply-To: <3F858410.7080502@lopht.net> References: <3F85835D.4050404@lopht.net> <3F858410.7080502@lopht.net> Message-ID: <1065715443.5919.14.camel@gstpc.earthlink.net> On Thu, 2003-10-09 at 10:51, Justin Georgeson wrote: > Justin Georgeson wrote: > > Epps, Aaron M. wrote: > > > >> Also, I noticed that the fedora-release RPM I have installed is > >> fedora-release-0.95-1 > > > > > > upgrade it if you haven't already. That's how RHN determines what base > > channel to look in. > > > Seems I replied a little hastily, as that is the latest version of > fedora-release. Have you subscribed your system to the FC test2 updates > channel at https://rhn.redhat.com? I suspect today's updates change the channel requirement from 0.94 which has been the one in use to 0.95. You probably need to subscribe to a 0.95 channel which may not yet be available. I'm now downloading today's updates and expect to see the same thing after installation is complete. Gerry From Epps.Aaron at mayo.edu Thu Oct 9 15:53:42 2003 From: Epps.Aaron at mayo.edu (Epps, Aaron M.) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 10:53:42 -0500 Subject: RHN Error Message-ID: Yes, around 9:30 CST this morning, then I installed all the available updates . -----Original Message----- From: Justin Georgeson [mailto:jgeorgeson at lopht.net] Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 10:52 AM To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com Subject: Re: RHN Error Justin Georgeson wrote: > Epps, Aaron M. wrote: > >> Also, I noticed that the fedora-release RPM I have installed is >> fedora-release-0.95-1 > > > upgrade it if you haven't already. That's how RHN determines what base > channel to look in. Seems I replied a little hastily, as that is the latest version of fedora-release. Have you subscribed your system to the FC test2 updates channel at https://rhn.redhat.com? -- fedora-test-list mailing list fedora-test-list at redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From gavin.henry at magicfx.co.uk Thu Oct 9 16:09:22 2003 From: gavin.henry at magicfx.co.uk (Gavin Henry) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 17:09:22 +0100 Subject: Kernel compilation Message-ID: <018801c38e7f$b5783290$5a64a8c0@blackhat007> Hi all, could you help me with this? Thanks. The following were extracted from /var/log/syslog: 1. /etc/hotplug/net.agent: NET unregistered event not supported I looked in net.agent and found the "event not supported" line but no clue as to what the "NET unregistered" means. 2. pppd[1616]: kernel does not support PPP filtering looked in the kernel config file and yes I did not select the filtering option, do I have to re-compile the kernel to allow this? 3. no (mtrr) What is this and do I need it compiled in? 4. host/uhci.c:fcc0:suspend_hc host/uhci.c:fcc0:wakeup_hc This is repeated 35 times then host/uhci.c:fcc0:host controller halted, very bad 5. modprobe:modprobe: Can't locate module sound-slot-0 I did not configure any sound modules as non matched the Soundblaster config that worked best using sndconfig in 2.4.21 Do I need to re-compile to add all the modules and then run sndconfig to get my speakers to work. 6. modprobe:modprobe: Can't locate module supermount I think this is where my mnt problems lie, as I did allow support for MSDOS, FAT32, NTFS, along with a few other Linux native fs's. 7. modprobe:modprobe: Can't locate module char-major-29 eh?, doesn't seem to affect anything 8. modprobe:modprobe: Can't locate module sb related to 5. above? 9. Oct 9 10:54:35 localhost modprobe: modprobe: Can't locate module supermount Oct 9 10:54:35 localhost mount: mount: fs type supermount not supported by kernel Oct 9 10:54:35 localhost modprobe: modprobe: Can't locate module supermount Oct 9 10:54:35 localhost kernel: MSDOS FS: IO charset iso8859-15 Oct 9 10:54:35 localhost kernel: MSDOS FS: Using codepage 850 Oct 9 10:54:35 localhost mount: mount: fs type supermount not supported by kernel Oct 9 10:54:35 localhost modprobe: modprobe: Can't locate module nls_iso8859-15 Oct 9 10:54:35 localhost kernel: FAT: freeing iocharset=iso8859-15 Oct 9 10:54:35 localhost mount: mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hda1, Oct 9 10:54:35 localhost mount: or too many mounted file systems All the above I believe is related to the missing supermount module? From tvinhas at techbyte.com.br Thu Oct 9 16:09:26 2003 From: tvinhas at techbyte.com.br (Thiago Vinhas de Moraes) Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 13:09:26 -0300 Subject: What are consequences (the lack of freedom on the USA) In-Reply-To: <1065705842.20701.12.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> References: <01L1MIVTZ40Y004SPU@rcum.uni-mb.si> <1065705842.20701.12.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> Message-ID: <1065715763.8891.20.camel@techbyte.com.br> Em Qui, 2003-10-09 ?s 10:24, Christopher A. Williams escreveu: > On Thu, 2003-10-09 at 04:48, DAVID BALAZIC wrote: > > This is a good occasion to show whether you respect > > human rights and your own constitution or whether you are > > just a bunch of hypocrites. > > Free Speech does not mean you have the right to say whatever you want > whenever you want to. It guarantees only that you have the right to > express yourself in a public, and relevant fashion without fear of > retaliation from the *government*. For the USA, the freedom and free speech is only for the americans. The rest of the world should die or curve to its hypocryte racists. Bush is evil, and everybody that agrees with what he is doing is evil too. In a couple years two miserable countries were completely destroyed, and at least one (Iraq) with no reason exept the commercial interest on their oil. What me banned from the list, do it, I don't care. But you cannot shut my mouth up. I don't leave in the USA, and in my country there is free speech. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shrek-m at gmx.de Thu Oct 9 16:13:04 2003 From: shrek-m at gmx.de (shrek-m at gmx.de) Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 18:13:04 +0200 Subject: How to setup DMA on my CD-RW? In-Reply-To: <200310091036.08631.hoyt@cavtel.net> References: <1065479567.4495.0.camel@techbyte.com.br> <20031008234908.GA4003@orient.maison> <3F850B45.4040405@gmx.de> <200310091036.08631.hoyt@cavtel.net> Message-ID: <3F858910.3000205@gmx.de> HoytDuff wrote: >On Thursday 09 October 2003 03:16 am, shrek-m at gmx.de wrote: > > >>steps to reproduce: >> >>1. go to >>http://www.distrowatch.com/ >> >>2. go to redhat [#1 mandrake #2 redhat] >>http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=redhat >> >Neither step is intuitive. Distrowatch for documentation? > > you know where you have to go for the redhat-docu ;-) do you know where you have to go for eg. PLD-Linux ? sure, the first step should be the homepage. >Like many things Linux, it's easy once you know the solution. Could you have >found it had you not already known the answer? Possibly, but it's not as easy >as you make it out to be. > >Here's a more real-world approach: > >1. Start by searching http://www.google.com/linux for "How to setup DMA on my >CD-RW". This assumes that you know enough to use better places to search for >info. > the most problems are discussed several times in the list. if the solution is not in my own list-archives i use google. >options ide-cd dma=1" > >Which, I believe, was in the release notes for Red Hat 8, the version that >author was addressing. > > was in the phoebe-list too ask elton woo, philip wyet, ... eg. 2003-03-11 subject: hdparm-settings ---snip---- As I understand it the preferred method for turning on cd/cdr/rw dma is not with 'hdparm' but by editing '/etc/modules.conf' and adding the following line. options ide-cd dma=1 But if I am mistaken, someone will correct me no doubt. Regards Philip Wyett ----snap---- 2003-03-12 subject: new comments added to bug reports ----snip---- >options ide-cd dma=1 > Bugs:85007, 85818, 84160, 85819. I'm still having failures erasing/recording *new* 2x CDRW disks, but for 4x and upwards, four sessions of burns / erasures with X-CD-Roast, and Gnome Toaster have gone OK! Thanks, Elton ----snap---- >But where was that originally documented? In the docs for sysconfig which you >had to know about before asking the question. > > not sure, perhaps here: /usr/src/linux-2.4.*/Documentation/ because it is not here /usr/share/doc/initscripts-*/sysconfig.txt >Finding information is all about knowing what questions to ask and knowing >where to ask them. Because of that, it's not an easy task. > finding the needed information is a process who should start before you have a problem ;-) $ du -sh /mozilla/ /data4/doku/ 379M /mozilla 404M /data4/doku -- shrek-m From gstool at earthlink.net Thu Oct 9 16:13:44 2003 From: gstool at earthlink.net (Gerry Tool) Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 11:13:44 -0500 Subject: RHN Error In-Reply-To: <1065715443.5919.14.camel@gstpc.earthlink.net> References: <3F85835D.4050404@lopht.net> <3F858410.7080502@lopht.net> <1065715443.5919.14.camel@gstpc.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <1065716023.6316.1.camel@gstpc.earthlink.net> On Thu, 2003-10-09 at 11:04, Gerry Tool wrote: > I suspect today's updates change the channel requirement from 0.94 which > has been the one in use to 0.95. You probably need to subscribe to a > 0.95 channel which may not yet be available. I'm now downloading > today's updates and expect to see the same thing after installation is > complete. > Yes, I just updated, logged out/in, ran up2date and got the error message. I wonder if any Red Hat employees can enlighten us about the move to 0.95 from 0.94? Gerry From m.a.young at durham.ac.uk Thu Oct 9 16:18:35 2003 From: m.a.young at durham.ac.uk (M A Young) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 17:18:35 +0100 (BST) Subject: RHN Error In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 9 Oct 2003, Epps, Aaron M. wrote: > I just finished installing all the Fedora Core updates and now I get > this message when I try to run up2date. Anybody know why I'm getting > this? > > Your account does not have access to any channels matching > (release='0.95', arch='i686-redhat-linux') You have got the fedora-release package from the forthcoming test3, but there isn't a test3 RHN channel. Sanity should be restored when they actually release test3 on Monday, though you can manually downgrade to redhat-release-0.94-2 from test2, if there are any updates you missed and if you can't wait until Monday. Michael Young From Epps.Aaron at mayo.edu Thu Oct 9 16:07:22 2003 From: Epps.Aaron at mayo.edu (Epps, Aaron M.) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 11:07:22 -0500 Subject: RHN Error Message-ID: Anyone from Red Hat care to respond? -----Original Message----- From: Gerry Tool [mailto:gstool at earthlink.net] Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 11:04 AM To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com Subject: Re: RHN Error On Thu, 2003-10-09 at 10:51, Justin Georgeson wrote: > Justin Georgeson wrote: > > Epps, Aaron M. wrote: > > > >> Also, I noticed that the fedora-release RPM I have installed is > >> fedora-release-0.95-1 > > > > > > upgrade it if you haven't already. That's how RHN determines what > > base channel to look in. > > > Seems I replied a little hastily, as that is the latest version of > fedora-release. Have you subscribed your system to the FC test2 > updates channel at https://rhn.redhat.com? I suspect today's updates change the channel requirement from 0.94 which has been the one in use to 0.95. You probably need to subscribe to a 0.95 channel which may not yet be available. I'm now downloading today's updates and expect to see the same thing after installation is complete. Gerry -- fedora-test-list mailing list fedora-test-list at redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From chrisw01 at privatei.com Thu Oct 9 16:31:18 2003 From: chrisw01 at privatei.com (Christopher A. Williams) Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 10:31:18 -0600 Subject: What are consequences (the lack of freedom on the USA) In-Reply-To: <1065715763.8891.20.camel@techbyte.com.br> References: <01L1MIVTZ40Y004SPU@rcum.uni-mb.si> <1065705842.20701.12.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> <1065715763.8891.20.camel@techbyte.com.br> Message-ID: <1065717078.9780.12.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> On Thu, 2003-10-09 at 10:09, Thiago Vinhas de Moraes wrote: > Em Qui, 2003-10-09 ?s 10:24, Christopher A. Williams escreveu: > > On Thu, 2003-10-09 at 04:48, DAVID BALAZIC wrote: > > > This is a good occasion to show whether you respect > > > human rights and your own constitution or whether you are > > > just a bunch of hypocrites. > > > > Free Speech does not mean you have the right to say whatever you want > > whenever you want to. It guarantees only that you have the right to > > express yourself in a public, and relevant fashion without fear of > > retaliation from the *government*. > > For the USA, the freedom and free speech is only for the americans. > The rest of the world should die or curve to its hypocryte racists. > Bush is evil, and everybody that agrees with what he is doing is evil > too. In a couple years two miserable countries were completely > destroyed, and at least one (Iraq) with no reason exept the commercial > interest on their oil. > > What me banned from the list, do it, I don't care. But you cannot shut > my mouth up. I don't leave in the USA, and in my country there is free > speech. OK - as a Black American, and with ALL of the connotations implied with that, all I have to say is: 1) There's an old saying which goes, "Never argue with an idiot because the rest of the people won't be able to tell the difference." 2) Please, everyone, don't feed the trolls. This my second - AND LAST - post on this thread. I will ignore all other posts on this thread, particularly from David in Brazil, where there apparently is free speech (probably in Portuguese). He will probably want the last word anyway. Amazing to me this has gone on this long, but there has been virtually no response or discussion on my post to fedora-list about my long conversation Tuesday night with Bruce Perens talking about Fedora. sigh... Chris -- ==================================== "Tell you what - why don't both of you drop your pants, I'll get a ruler, and we'll settle this like real men." --Candice Bergen as Murphy Brown, Murphy Brown TV show From sopwith at redhat.com Thu Oct 9 16:34:52 2003 From: sopwith at redhat.com (Elliot Lee) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 12:34:52 -0400 (EDT) Subject: RHN Error In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 9 Oct 2003, Epps, Aaron M. wrote: > I just finished installing all the Fedora Core updates and now I get > this message when I try to run up2date. Anybody know why I'm getting > this? Rawhide now has the fedora-release-0.95-1 package from the ongoing 0.95 release process, so my RHN push included it as well. The best suggestion I can currently give is to switch to updating via yum. -- Elliot Individualists, unite! From garrett at redhat.com Thu Oct 9 16:44:14 2003 From: garrett at redhat.com (Garrett LeSage) Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 12:44:14 -0400 Subject: New RHGB in rawhide In-Reply-To: <1065622612.2014.4.camel@bart.netlyncs.com> References: <1065622612.2014.4.camel@bart.netlyncs.com> Message-ID: <3F85905E.5050501@redhat.com> Mike Chambers wrote: >Upgraded rhgb from rawhide this morning and rebooted. WOW, nice graphic >change and seemed to work with no problems. > >Nice job Garrett (if that was you), or whoever is responsible :) > > Thanks. Jonathan Blandford and I have been working on the look. We have a bit more planned too. (: Garrett From erqu0001 at d.umn.edu Thu Oct 9 16:54:36 2003 From: erqu0001 at d.umn.edu (Santiago Erquicia) Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 11:54:36 -0500 Subject: Rhythmbox wierdness Message-ID: <1065718476.3931.3.camel@argentina> I had installed rhythmbox from fedora.us before they added it to up2date. This morning I did the update and now, whenever I start rhythmbox, the separator between my sources list and the track|browser lists starts moving to the right and I cannot stop it. Does anyone have the same problem? From JDrabb at tampabay.rr.com Thu Oct 9 17:03:00 2003 From: JDrabb at tampabay.rr.com (James Drabb) Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 13:03:00 -0400 Subject: Nortel VPN Client Message-ID: <1065716554.9538.5.camel@keelie.darden.com> Hey group, Has anyone gotten the Nortel VPN Client to work under Fedora Core 2? It works under Red Hat 8/9. It is an app that has two binary only kernel modules and one binary only program named nleac. It connect allows me to make a VPN connection to my work to a Nortel Contivity VPN. I compiled it from source and also tried to rebuild the SRPM with no luck. It compiles fine since Nortel does what NVidia does and just has a small wrapper that gets compiled around the binary modules. I exported CC=gcc32 but that didn't help. The modules load fine with a message about tainting the kernel. However, one they are loaded, no network activity works on any interface. netstat -a just hangs. As soon as I remove the two Nortel modules, eth0 begins to function again. Any help would be appreciated, Jim Drabb -- James Drabb Senior Programmer Analyst Davenport, FL USA From fedora at warmcat.com Thu Oct 9 17:09:43 2003 From: fedora at warmcat.com (Andy Green) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 18:09:43 +0100 Subject: What are consequences (the lack of freedom on the USA) In-Reply-To: <1065717078.9780.12.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> References: <01L1MIVTZ40Y004SPU@rcum.uni-mb.si> <1065715763.8891.20.camel@techbyte.com.br> <1065717078.9780.12.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> Message-ID: <200310091809.43483.fedora@warmcat.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday 09 October 2003 17:31, Christopher A. Williams wrote: > 2) Please, everyone, don't feed the trolls. Yeah.... this whole thread is -1 Troll.... next there'll be goatse.cx popups and 'fedora is dying' memes.... but that's not why I am replying.... > my long conversation Tuesday night with Bruce Perens talking about > Fedora. I am keeping the list since I joined in KMail.... I looked thru all your posts I have and I don't have this. Maybe its just me (in which case can you fwd it to me please), or maybe you should repost it, sf.net has been all over the place lately. - -Andy -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/hZZXjKeDCxMJCTIRAt/tAJ9SLvT7TxTV2vVeyiC7SxMcjTtszQCfVYYd NMzWRSiIjAFR0tFtf66UCn0= =3KMq -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Thu Oct 9 17:11:31 2003 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: 09 Oct 2003 13:11:31 -0400 Subject: What are consequences (the lack of freedom on the USA) In-Reply-To: <200310091809.43483.fedora@warmcat.com> References: <01L1MIVTZ40Y004SPU@rcum.uni-mb.si> <1065715763.8891.20.camel@techbyte.com.br> <1065717078.9780.12.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> <200310091809.43483.fedora@warmcat.com> Message-ID: <1065719491.26056.138.camel@opus> > > I am keeping the list since I joined in KMail.... I looked thru all > your posts I have and I don't have this. Maybe its just me (in which > case can you fwd it to me please), or maybe you should repost it, > sf.net has been all over the place lately. > Please resend it. I didn't get it either. -sv From nbecker at hns.com Thu Oct 9 17:15:37 2003 From: nbecker at hns.com (Neal D. Becker) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 13:15:37 -0400 Subject: Nortel VPN Client In-Reply-To: <1065716554.9538.5.camel@keelie.darden.com> References: <1065716554.9538.5.camel@keelie.darden.com> Message-ID: <200310091315.37369.nbecker@hns.com> On Thursday 09 October 2003 01:03 pm, James Drabb wrote: > Hey group, > > Has anyone gotten the Nortel VPN Client to work under Fedora Core 2? > It works under Red Hat 8/9. It is an app that has two binary only > kernel modules and one binary only program named nleac. It connect > allows me to make a VPN connection to my work to a Nortel Contivity VPN. > I compiled it from source and also tried to rebuild the SRPM with no > luck. It compiles fine since Nortel does what NVidia does and just has > a small wrapper that gets compiled around the binary modules. I > exported CC=gcc32 but that didn't help. The modules load fine with a > message about tainting the kernel. However, one they are loaded, no > network activity works on any interface. netstat -a just hangs. As > soon as I remove the two Nortel modules, eth0 begins to function again. > > Any help would be apprecia Similar problem here. I wrote to Nortel, but they didn't even bother to reply! From paul at frields.com Thu Oct 9 17:16:27 2003 From: paul at frields.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: 09 Oct 2003 13:16:27 -0400 Subject: What are consequences (the lack of freedom on the USA) In-Reply-To: <1065719491.26056.138.camel@opus> References: <01L1MIVTZ40Y004SPU@rcum.uni-mb.si> <1065715763.8891.20.camel@techbyte.com.br> <1065717078.9780.12.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> <200310091809.43483.fedora@warmcat.com> <1065719491.26056.138.camel@opus> Message-ID: <1065719787.7904.21.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2003-10-09 at 13:11, seth vidal wrote: > > > > I am keeping the list since I joined in KMail.... I looked thru all > > your posts I have and I don't have this. Maybe its just me (in which > > case can you fwd it to me please), or maybe you should repost it, > > sf.net has been all over the place lately. > > > > Please resend it. I didn't get it either. Are you sure you guys are looking at the right list? Christopher's post was to fedora-list, not fedora-test-list. Check the archives at: http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-list/2003-October/msg00351.html From czar at czarc.net Thu Oct 9 17:23:08 2003 From: czar at czarc.net (Gene C.) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 13:23:08 -0400 Subject: RHN Error In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200310091323.08633.czar@czarc.net> On Thursday 09 October 2003 12:34, Elliot Lee wrote: > Rawhide now has the fedora-release-0.95-1 package from the ongoing 0.95 > release process, so my RHN push included it as well. The best suggestion I > can currently give is to switch to updating via yum. OK, what worked for me ... I went back to the severn test 2 iso and reinstalled redhat-release (need to do force). I could then access rhn but need to be carefull NOT to re-install fedora-release. -- Gene From mark at mark.mielke.cc Thu Oct 9 17:25:14 2003 From: mark at mark.mielke.cc (Mark Mielke) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 13:25:14 -0400 Subject: Nortel VPN Client In-Reply-To: <1065716554.9538.5.camel@keelie.darden.com> References: <1065716554.9538.5.camel@keelie.darden.com> Message-ID: <20031009172514.GB26142@mark.mielke.cc> First: I believe that Nortel develops a client VPN solution for WIN32, not for Linux. The Linux client VPN solution that connects to the Nortel Connectivity switch is made by a company called "netlock". http://www.netlock.com/ may be useful to you. For finding the problem: I would first try using an older kernel, to isolate the problem as being a distribution problem or a kernel problem. Once you get that to work, you can experiment with other kernel rpms to see where it stops working. This will also let you prove that the server itself is still talking to you, and that it is Fedora Core 2 that is breaking it for you, as opposed to the VPN server just not liking you anymore... mark On Thu, Oct 09, 2003 at 01:03:00PM -0400, James Drabb wrote: > Hey group, > > Has anyone gotten the Nortel VPN Client to work under Fedora Core 2? > It works under Red Hat 8/9. It is an app that has two binary only > kernel modules and one binary only program named nleac. It connect > allows me to make a VPN connection to my work to a Nortel Contivity VPN. > I compiled it from source and also tried to rebuild the SRPM with no > luck. It compiles fine since Nortel does what NVidia does and just has > a small wrapper that gets compiled around the binary modules. I > exported CC=gcc32 but that didn't help. The modules load fine with a > message about tainting the kernel. However, one they are loaded, no > network activity works on any interface. netstat -a just hangs. As > soon as I remove the two Nortel modules, eth0 begins to function again. > > Any help would be appreciated, > > Jim Drabb > -- > James Drabb > Senior Programmer Analyst > Davenport, FL USA > > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list -- mark at mielke.cc/markm at ncf.ca/markm at nortelnetworks.com __________________________ . . _ ._ . . .__ . . ._. .__ . . . .__ | Neighbourhood Coder |\/| |_| |_| |/ |_ |\/| | |_ | |/ |_ | | | | | | \ | \ |__ . | | .|. |__ |__ | \ |__ | Ottawa, Ontario, Canada One ring to rule them all, one ring to find them, one ring to bring them all and in the darkness bind them... http://mark.mielke.cc/ From chrisw01 at privatei.com Thu Oct 9 17:35:02 2003 From: chrisw01 at privatei.com (Christopher A. Williams) Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 11:35:02 -0600 Subject: Post on Beer with Bruce Perens (Was: What are consequences (the lack of freedom on the USA)) In-Reply-To: <1065719787.7904.21.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <01L1MIVTZ40Y004SPU@rcum.uni-mb.si> <1065715763.8891.20.camel@techbyte.com.br> <1065717078.9780.12.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> <200310091809.43483.fedora@warmcat.com> <1065719491.26056.138.camel@opus> <1065719787.7904.21.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1065720902.9816.20.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> On Thu, 2003-10-09 at 11:16, Paul W. Frields wrote: > On Thu, 2003-10-09 at 13:11, seth vidal wrote: > > > > > > I am keeping the list since I joined in KMail.... I looked thru all > > > your posts I have and I don't have this. Maybe its just me (in which > > > case can you fwd it to me please), or maybe you should repost it, > > > sf.net has been all over the place lately. > > > > > > > Please resend it. I didn't get it either. > > Are you sure you guys are looking at the right list? Christopher's post > was to fedora-list, not fedora-test-list. Check the archives at: > > http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-list/2003-October/msg00351.html True - I posted it to fedora-list because I thought it was more appropriate to discuss there. If people prefer to discuss it on fedora-test-list instead, I will be happy to re-post it there. ...Oh, and by the way, please excuse my horrible misspelling of "feral" in that post. I don't know what I was thinking at the time (I spelled it ferrule) - probably typing too fast and letting the XE spell checker have its way. Thanks to Gerry Doris for pointing that out to me. Cheers, Chris -- ==================================== "If you get to thinkin' you're a person of some influence, try orderin' someone else's dog around." --Cowboy Wisdom From ted at cypress.com Thu Oct 9 17:34:58 2003 From: ted at cypress.com (Thomas Dodd) Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 12:34:58 -0500 Subject: What are consequences of "merger necessitates removal of ... In-Reply-To: References: <000001c3813a$25a89f80$196d9e89@pegasus> Message-ID: <3F859C42.8060508@cypress.com> Mike A. Harris wrote: > In other words, the GPL license on all MP3 software out there is > invalid, regardless of wether or not Red Hat would have a license > to ship MP3 decoding technology. Red Hat would have to either: > > 1) Convince the patent owner to permit unlimited unrestricted use > 2) Pay the $50000 to license the patent, and then purchase or > 3) Pay the $50000 to license the patent, and hire developers to Missed a 4th possibility. One of the current players could relicense their player. Perhaps a new license, that looks like the GPL except the patent restriction. The negotiation for a license should allow for non-commercial use and redistribution. Also clarify that "selling" a collection of programs/source code is allowed, which is part of the current MP3 problems. The player could even be dual licensed like Mozilla/OpenOffice.org, better still the MySQL way, so commercial code is possible, but such use would require a seperate license for MP3 (and friends). That would further help the patent holder guaranty revenue. [Not that I agree with software patents at all. I personally don't create MP3 files. If a decent portable/car player with OGG-vorbis support shouw up I'll by one, but not until them. My only current use of MPEG is DVD/DVB, where their is really no alternative (yet).] -Thomas From ted at cypress.com Thu Oct 9 17:36:54 2003 From: ted at cypress.com (Thomas Dodd) Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 12:36:54 -0500 Subject: What are consequences (the lack of freedom on the USA) In-Reply-To: References: <200309222154.h8MLs7h08802@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1064268671.6486.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <3F859CB6.9030507@cypress.com> Mike A. Harris wrote: > I'm disgusted enough by this to consider unsubscribing from this > list. No Mike. Just help ban such people from the lists. Besides, would Red Hat allow you to exit the list? -Thomas From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Thu Oct 9 17:39:08 2003 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: 09 Oct 2003 13:39:08 -0400 Subject: What are consequences of "merger necessitates removal of ... In-Reply-To: <3F859C42.8060508@cypress.com> References: <000001c3813a$25a89f80$196d9e89@pegasus> <3F859C42.8060508@cypress.com> Message-ID: <1065721148.26056.167.camel@opus> > [Not that I agree with software patents at all. I personally don't > create MP3 files. If a decent portable/car player with OGG-vorbis > support shouw up I'll by one, but not until them. My only current use of > MPEG is DVD/DVB, where their is really no alternative (yet).] > >From what I've heard the rio karma is ogg compatible and outputs VERY good sound quality. -sv From johnmunsch at zwave.com Thu Oct 9 17:43:31 2003 From: johnmunsch at zwave.com (John Munsch) Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 12:43:31 -0500 Subject: Getting Started Guide For Fedora Message-ID: <3F859E43.1000803@zwave.com> For what it's worth, I've started a getting started guide that I'm gradually expanding. It's oriented toward the Windows user who is just moving to Linux so I'm going to try and keep it simple and make it clear how appealing Fedora Core is as a destination platform. http://www.johnmunsch.com/articles/FedoraCore094GettingStarted/ Please, please, please give comments on how to make this better. John Munsch From ted at cypress.com Thu Oct 9 17:45:37 2003 From: ted at cypress.com (Thomas Dodd) Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 12:45:37 -0500 Subject: GCC-3.3 and OO.org Message-ID: <3F859EC1.3090502@cypress.com> Two quickies (I hope). 1) What problems would ugrading from gcc-3.2.2-5 to gcc-3.3.1-6 pose? 2) Why does OpenOffice.org-1.1 have a buld requirement of gcc-3.3.1? http://tools.openoffice.org/dev_docs/build_linux.html states: gcc: OpenOffice.org has been successfully build under Linux using the gcc versions 3.0.x, 3.1.1, and 3.2.x. Older versions were built with gcc 2.95.2. Version 2.96 does not work! gcc 3.3.0 works on the 1.1, 3.3.1 does not work yet. So what "fixes" to get 3.3.1 working broke 3.2.2? -Thomas From jgeorgeson at lopht.net Thu Oct 9 17:46:40 2003 From: jgeorgeson at lopht.net (Justin Georgeson) Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 12:46:40 -0500 Subject: What are consequences of "merger necessitates removal of ... References: <000001c3813a$25a89f80$196d9e89@pegasus> <3F859C42.8060508@cypress.com> Message-ID: <3F859F00.7000409@lopht.net> Thomas Dodd wrote: > > > Mike A. Harris wrote: > >> In other words, the GPL license on all MP3 software out there is >> invalid, regardless of wether or not Red Hat would have a license to >> ship MP3 decoding technology. Red Hat would have to either: >> >> 1) Convince the patent owner to permit unlimited unrestricted use 2) >> Pay the $50000 to license the patent, and then purchase or 3) Pay the >> $50000 to license the patent, and hire developers to > > > Missed a 4th possibility. One of the current players could relicense > their player. Perhaps a new license, that looks like the GPL except the > patent restriction. The negotiation for a license should allow for > non-commercial use and redistribution. Also clarify that "selling" a > collection of programs/source code is allowed, which is part of the > current MP3 problems. wouldn't that still be incompatible with the GPL, meaning it would still not be shipped with RH/FC? > The player could even be dual licensed like Mozilla/OpenOffice.org, > better still the MySQL way, so commercial code is possible, but such use > would require a seperate license for MP3 (and friends). That would > further help the patent holder guaranty revenue. > > [Not that I agree with software patents at all. I personally don't > create MP3 files. If a decent portable/car player with OGG-vorbis > support shouw up I'll by one, but not until them. My only current use of > MPEG is DVD/DVB, where their is really no alternative (yet).] > The whole issue is getting a GPL compatible license to the patents, so that a truely GPL licensed player can be built on them. Both the player and the patent need to have GPL compatible licenses, otherwise they won't be shipped in RHEL/FC. From JDrabb at tampabay.rr.com Thu Oct 9 17:59:14 2003 From: JDrabb at tampabay.rr.com (James Drabb) Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 13:59:14 -0400 Subject: Nortel VPN Client In-Reply-To: <20031009172514.GB26142@mark.mielke.cc> References: <1065716554.9538.5.camel@keelie.darden.com> <20031009172514.GB26142@mark.mielke.cc> Message-ID: <1065722354.5670.4.camel@keelie.darden.com> On Thu, 2003-10-09 at 13:25, Mark Mielke wrote: > First: > > I believe that Nortel develops a client VPN solution for WIN32, not > for Linux. The Linux client VPN solution that connects to the Nortel > Connectivity switch is made by a company called "netlock". > > http://www.netlock.com/ may be useful to you. Yup, I purchased my client from them. > For finding the problem: > > I would first try using an older kernel, to isolate the problem as being > a distribution problem or a kernel problem. Once you get that to work, > you can experiment with other kernel rpms to see where it stops working. > This will also let you prove that the server itself is still talking to > you, and that it is Fedora Core 2 that is breaking it for you, as opposed > to the VPN server just not liking you anymore... I just gave this a shot. I downloaded kernel 2.4.20-20.9 from Red Hat 9 and then rebooted this kernel and recompiled the Netlock SRPM and it works fine now. I guess it is something in the 2.4.22-1.2061.nptl kernel from Fedora Core 2. > mark Jim Drabb -- James Drabb Senior Programmer Analyst Davenport, FL USA From ted at cypress.com Thu Oct 9 18:19:44 2003 From: ted at cypress.com (Thomas Dodd) Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 13:19:44 -0500 Subject: What are consequences of "merger necessitates removal of ... In-Reply-To: <3F859F00.7000409@lopht.net> References: <000001c3813a$25a89f80$196d9e89@pegasus> <3F859C42.8060508@cypress.com> <3F859F00.7000409@lopht.net> Message-ID: <3F85A6C0.3060203@cypress.com> Justin Georgeson wrote: > The whole issue is getting a GPL compatible license to the patents, so > that a truely GPL licensed player can be built on them. Both the player That would be nice. I personally would prefer stickin with ogg-vorbis, assuming it's not later found to infringe on someone's patent. Best solution is invalidate all software patents, and prevent any future ones. I'm not holding my breath though. > and the patent need to have GPL compatible licenses, otherwise they > won't be shipped in RHEL/FC. Perhaps I missed something. RHEL and FC will contain only GPL and GPL compatible code? Limitations on commercial reuse of the code should be OK, such that the code cod be used on corportate machines, as long as you aren't selling the code or something that is substantially a derivative. So a distribution/collection is OK, but a commercial player,encoder,decoder isn't, embedded or not. -Thomas From wen at us.ibm.com Thu Oct 9 18:41:22 2003 From: wen at us.ibm.com (Wen-Jiunn Chin) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 14:41:22 -0400 Subject: Wen-Jiunn Chin/Endicott/IBM is out of the office. Message-ID: I will be out of the office starting October 9, 2003 and will not return until October 14, 2003. I am out of the office from 10/09/03, returning 10/14/03. You will receive only this notification of my absence prior to my return, at which time I will respond. Please contact Syed Abuthagir for GWA. Please contact my manager David Albright, for emergencies. On Deamand Project - Larry Sackette GWA Linux Servers - Vikas Paul Treve Project - Anand Banerjee Team Lead - Steve Bernstein From operalover_99 at yahoo.com Thu Oct 9 18:57:56 2003 From: operalover_99 at yahoo.com (Michael Smith) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 11:57:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Getting Started Guide For Fedora In-Reply-To: <3F859E43.1000803@zwave.com> Message-ID: <20031009185756.48755.qmail@web11001.mail.yahoo.com> John, It looks good and should be very useful. Possible inclusions for new users migrating to Linux: GnuCash (Quicken users), and The Gimp (Photoshop) Mike Smith --- John Munsch wrote: > For what it's worth, I've started a getting started > guide that I'm > gradually expanding. It's oriented toward the > Windows user who is just > moving to Linux so I'm going to try and keep it > simple and make it clear > how appealing Fedora Core is as a destination > platform. > > http://www.johnmunsch.com/articles/FedoraCore094GettingStarted/ > > Please, please, please give comments on how to make > this better. > > John Munsch > > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From gxy3139 at njit.edu Thu Oct 9 19:13:50 2003 From: gxy3139 at njit.edu (Guo Yang) Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 15:13:50 -0400 Subject: Help on the new 2.6 test kernel Message-ID: <3F85B36E.5070508@njit.edu> Hello everyone, Since 2.6.0-0.test6.1.48, for every new 2.6 test kernel, I got error message below when I tried to compile and load the nvidia module. It was working for every previous test kernel and is working now for kernel-2.4.22-1.2087.nptl. Could anybody help me to solve this problem? As usual, thanks in advance to any advice or suggestion. Guo The error message: Oct 9 14:58:56 localhost kernel: nvidia: no version for "struct_module" found: kernel tainted. Oct 9 14:58:56 localhost kernel: nvidia: module license 'NVIDIA' taints kernel. Oct 9 14:58:56 localhost kernel: 0: nvidia: loading NVIDIA Linux x86 nvidia.o Kernel Module 1.0-4496 Wed Jul 16 19:03:09 PDT 2003 Oct 9 14:58:56 localhost kernel: Unable to handle kernel paging request at virtual address 49656e69 Oct 9 14:58:56 localhost kernel: printing eip: Oct 9 14:58:56 localhost kernel: d0cacc11 Oct 9 14:58:56 localhost kernel: *pde = 00000000 Oct 9 14:58:56 localhost kernel: Oops: 0000 [#1] Oct 9 14:58:56 localhost kernel: CPU: 0 Oct 9 14:58:56 localhost kernel: EIP: 0060:[] Tainted: PF Oct 9 14:58:56 localhost kernel: EFLAGS: 00010246 Oct 9 14:58:56 localhost kernel: EIP is at os_mem_cmp+0x11/0x30 [nvidia] Oct 9 14:58:56 localhost kernel: eax: cbe43f5c ebx: c02e06f0 ecx: 6c65746e edx: 49656e69 Oct 9 14:58:56 localhost kernel: esi: cbe43f5c edi: 49656e69 ebp: cbe43f6c esp: cbe43f3c Oct 9 14:58:56 localhost kernel: ds: 007b es: 007b ss: 0068 Oct 9 14:58:56 localhost kernel: Process modprobe (pid: 2794, threadinfo=cbe42000 task=cc32b300) Oct 9 14:58:56 localhost kernel: Stack: d0d06000 00000001 d0b83e39 cbe43f5c d0cb3360 0000000c 00000000 00000002 Oct 9 14:58:56 localhost kernel: 756e6547 49656e69 6c65746e d0caae80 cbe43f74 d0b83e90 cbe43f7c d0b85fd8 Oct 9 14:58:56 localhost kernel: c02e06d8 d08630e1 00000000 d0cc2680 000000c3 c02d2414 b7ce1008 c02e06f0 Oct 9 14:58:56 localhost kernel: Call Trace: Oct 9 14:58:56 localhost kernel: [] __nvsym00760+0x49/0x98 [nvidia] Oct 9 14:58:56 localhost kernel: [] nv_kern_pm+0x0/0xf0 [nvidia] Oct 9 14:58:56 localhost kernel: [] __nvsym00763+0x8/0x50 [nvidia] Oct 9 14:58:56 localhost kernel: [] rm_init_rm+0x8/0xc [nvidia] Oct 9 14:58:56 localhost kernel: [] nvidia_init_module+0xe1/0x184 [nvidia] Oct 9 14:58:56 localhost kernel: [] sys_init_module+0xef/0x1d0 Oct 9 14:58:56 localhost kernel: [] syscall_call+0x7/0xb Oct 9 14:58:56 localhost kernel: Oct 9 14:58:56 localhost kernel: Code: f3 a6 0f 92 c0 8b 34 24 8b 7c 24 04 0f 97 c2 83 c4 08 28 c2 The CPU info: processor : 0 vendor_id : GenuineIntel cpu family : 15 model : 0 model name : Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 1400MHz stepping : 7 cpu MHz : 1384.229 cache size : 256 KB fdiv_bug : no hlt_bug : no f00f_bug : no coma_bug : no fpu : yes fpu_exception : yes cpuid level : 2 wp : yes flags : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm bogomips : 2759.06 The video card is a GeForce2 GTS/Pro. From pantz at lqt.ca Thu Oct 9 19:18:34 2003 From: pantz at lqt.ca (Paul Pianta) Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 15:18:34 -0400 Subject: Getting Started Guide For Fedora In-Reply-To: <3F859E43.1000803@zwave.com> References: <3F859E43.1000803@zwave.com> Message-ID: <3F85B48A.8090803@lqt.ca> John Munsch wrote: > Please, please, please give comments on how to make this better. looks really good so far john - good stuff!! im not in my fedora install at the moment (im at work) but i think that 'Sound Juicer' is installed by default and it seems to be a newer replacement for grip. Nothing against grip - i have ripped many a cd with this tool - but if you can save newbies the step of installing more software - maybe give a rundown of 'Sound Juicer'. actually now that i come to think of it - i remember i had troubles with sound juicer - it was naming the tracks incorrectly and not ripping all of the songs that i had checked in list ... its all coming back to me now ... you also need to install the mp3 package to be able to rip to mp3, and it allows ripping to FLAC (i think thats the name) - but i reckon you might need to install the codec for that too. anyhoo - what im trying to say is sound juicer looked to have potential so check it out! From eric at interplas.com Thu Oct 9 19:36:43 2003 From: eric at interplas.com (Eric Wood) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 15:36:43 -0400 Subject: Wen-Jiunn Chin/Endicott/IBM is out of the office. References: Message-ID: <023101c38e9c$abed3dc0$9100000a@intgrp.com> Please note, for no apparent reason, that RH mail lists have "Precedence: junk" instead of the normal "Precedence: bulk" in the email headers. This will get through some vacation autoresponder programs. -eric wood ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wen-Jiunn Chin" To: Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 2:41 PM Subject: Wen-Jiunn Chin/Endicott/IBM is out of the office. > > > > > I will be out of the office starting October 9, 2003 and will not return > until October 14, 2003. From terraformers at gmx.net Thu Oct 9 19:38:32 2003 From: terraformers at gmx.net (lars) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 21:38:32 +0200 Subject: Help on the new 2.6 test kernel Message-ID: <200310092138.32386.terraformers@gmx.net> i had the same oops with the nvidia driver (patched from minion.de for 2.6). with the vanilla 2.6 test6-bk8 and now test7 it works ok. seems some rh patch causes this behavior. i bugzilla'd it here https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=106429 lars From alan at clueserver.org Thu Oct 9 10:32:45 2003 From: alan at clueserver.org (alan) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 03:32:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: dri xscreensaver/kernel lockups In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I have seen something that looks like a lockup, but is not. (The system still works, but X is stuck in an alarm wait loop.) The telling difference is that you can still ssh into the box and strace X. X will be pegging at 99+%. Of course, if you only have one CPU, it may seem like you are dead. Want a copy of the strace for exact messages? On Thu, 9 Oct 2003, Mike A. Harris wrote: > On Wed, 1 Oct 2003, Pekka Savola wrote: > > >A huge number of (probably DRI -related) xscreensaver lockups > >(especially with screensavers with a lot of 3D effects) have > >been reported in the past; check a list e.g. from: > > > >https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=84214 > > > >(I tried to collect a few I found there). > > > >1) have folks tested whether these still persist in Fedora Core as well? > > > >2) is there any hope of getting these bugs fixed? > > b) if one wants a workaround, just simply removing "too flashy" > >screensavers might help .. but then the bugs would not get fixed ;-) > > More likely than not, all reported issues still exist. The easy > workaround is to either disable DRI, or to disable the > screensavers that trigger the lockup. This allows one to use > their computer for day to day work, etc. without experiencing the > lockup issues. > > In some cases, simply disabling the screensavers triggering the > issue will allow the user to use other 3D applications without > problem, while other cases the problem is deeper and affects all > 3D applications including non-screensavers. > > Debugging 3D acceleration related problems in the DRI is one of > the more complex and time consuming of all problems that get > reported against XFree86. Problems can take anywhere from a day > to a week or two if not more in order to diagnose. Since it is > often easy to workaround the problem by disabling a screensaver > or whatnot, such problems aren't of the highest priority, in > particular when most problems with DRI are reported against > screensavers and/or video games. > > Currently, there are only 2 developers here at Red Hat working on > XFree86 - myself, and John Dennis. John's work has mostly > focused on handling XFree86 related problems on ia64 and other > architectures for our Red Hat Enterprise Linux development so > far, however we hope to work more closely in the future with > development/troubleshooting/debugging/etc. > > With only 2 developers, and the plethora of incoming bug reports > that do get reported, it's not possible for every single bug > report to get immediate attention and guaranteed fixes due to the > need to prioritize work. Also, XFree86 isn't the only work we're > responsible for, so we need to balance the various duties we're > responsible for in order to accomplish the most amount of work in > the least amount of time, and to fix the most number of problems > that affect the most number of people. > > When it comes to bugs in the DRI and the kernel portion of it > (the DRM), spending an unknown amount of time debugging an issue > which may require up to a week or 3 and may end up still being > unable to determine the cause of a given problem - just to fix a > hangup caused by a screensaver that can be easily disabled, or to > a bug triggered by Quake 3, Unreal Tournament 2003 or somesuch, > just isn't the best usage of Red Hat engineering resources. As > such, these kinds of problems tend to be much lower priority. > > Also, for the video game issues at least, I often do not have the > video game which triggers the question, so am unable to > investigate the issue without forking out $70 or more out of my > own pocket, although I do have RTCW, and a few others... > > Often, the problems are bugs in the kernel DRM code, and > sometimes get fixed magically when the DRM gets updated and a new > kernel pushed out in an update. Other times the problems are > motherboard or video card specific, and we simply don't have the > hardware. Or it could be the specific combination of video card > and motherboard chipset, operating with a specific AGP speed. > The number of variables one can chase around are staggering > potentially, and a lot of time can be spent. > > In short, DRI/DRM related bugs found in X, should always be > reported directly to the DRI project, as there are 10+ developers > who more or less do nothing but develop DRI all day long, and > troubleshoot these types of issues. It's much more likely to be > fixed by them, and patches that come out of it possibly included > in our future kernel and/or XFree86 updates, than it is likely to > get 2 or 3 weeks of my or John's very limited time. However, > even if someone does report this upstream to the DRI project > (preferably by way of http://bugs.xfree86.org), it's always a > good idea to keep reporting the bugs in Red Hat bugzilla also, in > order for me to be aware of the problem, and be able to track it > upstream, or to have some fun poking at video games on the > weekend to try and fix it in my own personal time. > > I know these types of responses are not the kind that users > expect or want to hear from developers, however I like to be > straightforward and honest about these types of things. > Developer resources are a very limited thing, and we need to > spend our Red Hat engineering time on things that give the > biggest bang and affect the most users out there, and bugs > affecting business usage generally get preference over "toy" bugs > such as video games and screensavers (although what I do in my > spare time on weekends can definitely be quite the opposite > ). > > Also, the more a person is willing to crack out a debugger, or to > sprinkle printk()'s in the DRM source code, and hop on #dri-devel > on irc.freenode.net and stay in the channel for a week or more > along with developers, the more us foolish developers can be > sucked into devoting some of our personal time to such problems > too. Not that it's easy or anything, but some determined folk > have showed up, and hounded us until they were able to fix a > problem themselves, with no prior XFree86 or kernel programming > knowledge, so it is possible. ;o) > > I can be found usually on #dri-devel, #xfree86, #xwin, > #freedesktop and other channels on irc.freenode.net, however I'm > not always there when I'm there... If someone comes hunting me > down, you're best off staying in the channel and idling until > myself or others can help with debugging/etc. > > Hope this helps explain things, and at the same time give people > some perspective, and some insight into the best way to go about > seeking solutions to these types of problems in a way that can > yield faster fixes and whatnot. > > TTYL > > From mandreiana at rdslink.ro Thu Oct 9 19:48:31 2003 From: mandreiana at rdslink.ro (Marius Andreiana) Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 22:48:31 +0300 Subject: volume control error on startup Message-ID: <1065728911.10323.3.camel@marte.biciclete.ro> Hi On gnome volume control startup there is an error. "Details" shows: /apps/gnome-volume-control/OSS-ALC650-1/Vol ": ` ' is an invalid character in key/directory names ... Does anybody else has this? I've saved my home folder from rhl9 (which had alsa installed) -- Marius Andreiana LOAD - Linux Open Alternative Days Specialist Linux, Co-organizator http://www.load.ro From Tommy.McNeely at Sun.com Thu Oct 9 19:41:16 2003 From: Tommy.McNeely at Sun.com (Tommy McNeely) Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 13:41:16 -0600 Subject: Invalid Architecture and OS release combination (0.95, athlon-redhat-linux). Message-ID: um? OK.. so I tried the directions... --- You'll need to have the rawhide key installed - to do this, do 'up2date -u fedora-release' after subscribing to the updates channel, and then 'rpm --import /usr/share/doc/fedora-release-0.94/RPM-GPG-KEY-rawhide'. --- but? um.. now it thinks I am running 0.95.. oops :) can I jus snag an older fedora-release pkg from rawhide and install it? Tommy From mandreiana at rdslink.ro Thu Oct 9 19:52:25 2003 From: mandreiana at rdslink.ro (Marius Andreiana) Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 22:52:25 +0300 Subject: debugging versions of applications? Message-ID: <1065729144.10323.7.camel@marte.biciclete.ro> It would be useful to have the applications with debugging symbols on test releases. Are these in the debug rpm automatically build from source? If yes, can these rpms be made available? Bug Buddy stack traces seem useless now. -- Marius Andreiana LOAD - Linux Open Alternative Days Specialist Linux, Co-organizator http://www.load.ro From notting at redhat.com Thu Oct 9 19:49:01 2003 From: notting at redhat.com (Bill Nottingham) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 15:49:01 -0400 Subject: Invalid Architecture and OS release combination (0.95, athlon-redhat-linux). In-Reply-To: ; from Tommy.McNeely@Sun.com on Thu, Oct 09, 2003 at 01:41:16PM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20031009154901.B29659@devserv.devel.redhat.com> > but? um.. now it thinks I am running 0.95.. oops :) Things will be cleaned up around the release time of test3. > can I jus snag an older fedora-release pkg from rawhide and install it? Yes. Bill From notting at redhat.com Thu Oct 9 19:49:21 2003 From: notting at redhat.com (Bill Nottingham) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 15:49:21 -0400 Subject: debugging versions of applications? In-Reply-To: <1065729144.10323.7.camel@marte.biciclete.ro>; from mandreiana@rdslink.ro on Thu, Oct 09, 2003 at 10:52:25PM +0300 References: <1065729144.10323.7.camel@marte.biciclete.ro> Message-ID: <20031009154921.C29659@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Marius Andreiana (mandreiana at rdslink.ro) said: > It would be useful to have the applications with debugging symbols on > test releases. Are these in the debug rpm automatically build from > source? If yes, can these rpms be made available? > > Bug Buddy stack traces seem useless now. We have debuginfo packages, we'll try and start pushing them soon. Bill From thacker at math.cornell.edu Thu Oct 9 19:53:48 2003 From: thacker at math.cornell.edu (John Alexander Thacker) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 15:53:48 -0400 Subject: volume control error on startup In-Reply-To: <1065728911.10323.3.camel@marte.biciclete.ro> References: <1065728911.10323.3.camel@marte.biciclete.ro> Message-ID: <20031009195348.GA8248@thacker.dyndns.org> On Thu, Oct 09, 2003 at 10:48:31PM +0300, Marius Andreiana wrote: > On gnome volume control startup there is an error. "Details" shows: > /apps/gnome-volume-control/OSS-ALC650-1/Vol ": ` ' is an invalid > character in key/directory names > ... > > Does anybody else has this? I've saved my home folder from rhl9 (which > had alsa installed) This is a known bug in gnome-media-2.3.7, fixed in the latest update to gnome-media-2.4.0-1 John Thacker From gxy3139 at njit.edu Thu Oct 9 20:02:24 2003 From: gxy3139 at njit.edu (Guo Yang) Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 16:02:24 -0400 Subject: Help on the new 2.6 test kernel In-Reply-To: <200310092138.32386.terraformers@gmx.net> References: <200310092138.32386.terraformers@gmx.net> Message-ID: <3F85BED0.9040102@njit.edu> lars wrote: >i had the same oops with the nvidia driver (patched from minion.de for 2.6). > >with the vanilla 2.6 test6-bk8 and now test7 it works ok. >seems some rh patch causes this behavior. > >i bugzilla'd it here >https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=106429 > > >lars > > > >-- >fedora-test-list mailing list >fedora-test-list at redhat.com >http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > Thanks for reply, lars. I am not so lucky. When it first happened I thought it might be because I didn't upgrade to the severn2. But today after I upgraded my system and tried the test7 it was still there :( Guo From chrisw01 at privatei.com Thu Oct 9 20:17:39 2003 From: chrisw01 at privatei.com (Christopher A. Williams) Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 14:17:39 -0600 Subject: Browsing Samba in Nautilus Message-ID: <1065730659.9994.9.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> Anyone know how to get around this problem? Whenever I try to use Nautilus to browse an SMB network, I get the following message: Couldn't display "smb:///", because Nautilus cannot contact the SMB master browser. Check that an SMB server is running in the local network. No matter what I do, I can not browse at the workgroup level via Nautilus. Oddly enough, I can look specifically at my shares using a SMB URL pointing to my system. Running Windows XP in a VMware Workstation VM produces similar results. I can see the Samba server shares (Public) if I look for it specifically, but I can not see the workgroup or the servers in the workgroup. A copy of my current smb.conf file follows. Ideas? === sample smb.conf file ===== # Global parameters [global] workgroup = spikenet server string = Home Computer Samba Server username map = /etc/samba/smbusers client lanman auth = No log file = /var/log/samba/%m.log max log size = 50 min protocol = LANMAN1 announce version = 6.0.94 client use spnego = No socket options = TCP_NODELAY SO_RCVBUF=8192 SO_SNDBUF=8192 hostname lookups = Yes printcap name = cups os level = 65 dns proxy = No ldap ssl = no password server = None printing = cups [homes] comment = Home Directories writeable = yes browseable = No [printers] comment = All Printers path = /var/spool/samba printable = Yes browseable = No [public] path = /opt/pub writeable = yes comment = Public Share guest ok = yes =================================== Cheers, Chris -- ==================================== "If you get to thinkin' you're a person of some influence, try orderin' someone else's dog around." --Cowboy Wisdom From tvinhas at techbyte.com.br Thu Oct 9 20:20:00 2003 From: tvinhas at techbyte.com.br (Thiago Vinhas de Moraes) Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 17:20:00 -0300 Subject: Why a beta3 so soon? Message-ID: <1065730800.15366.3.camel@techbyte.com.br> Is this really necessary to release a beta3 of Fedore, just a few weeks after the beta2? What's new on this beta that justify an entire new set of CD's? Regards, Thiago -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From daniel-wittenberg at starken.com Thu Oct 9 20:21:15 2003 From: daniel-wittenberg at starken.com (Daniel Wittenberg) Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 15:21:15 -0500 Subject: [FEDORA] Browsing Samba in Nautilus In-Reply-To: <1065730659.9994.9.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> References: <1065730659.9994.9.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> Message-ID: <1065730874.30970.9.camel@hawk.wittenberg.org> If you do smbclient -L it should show at the bottom who the master browser is. Anything in your samba logs ? Dan On Thu, 2003-10-09 at 15:17, Christopher A. Williams wrote: > Anyone know how to get around this problem? Whenever I try to use > Nautilus to browse an SMB network, I get the following message: > > Couldn't display "smb:///", because Nautilus cannot contact the SMB > master browser. > Check that an SMB server is running in the local network. > > No matter what I do, I can not browse at the workgroup level via > Nautilus. Oddly enough, I can look specifically at my shares using a SMB > URL pointing to my system. > > Running Windows XP in a VMware Workstation VM produces similar results. > I can see the Samba server shares (Public) if I look for it > specifically, but I can not see the workgroup or the servers in the > workgroup. A copy of my current smb.conf file follows. Ideas? > > === sample smb.conf file ===== > > # Global parameters > [global] > workgroup = spikenet > server string = Home Computer Samba Server > username map = /etc/samba/smbusers > client lanman auth = No > log file = /var/log/samba/%m.log > max log size = 50 > min protocol = LANMAN1 > announce version = 6.0.94 > client use spnego = No > socket options = TCP_NODELAY SO_RCVBUF=8192 SO_SNDBUF=8192 > hostname lookups = Yes > printcap name = cups > os level = 65 > dns proxy = No > ldap ssl = no > password server = None > printing = cups > > [homes] > comment = Home Directories > writeable = yes > browseable = No > > [printers] > comment = All Printers > path = /var/spool/samba > printable = Yes > browseable = No > > [public] > path = /opt/pub > writeable = yes > comment = Public Share > guest ok = yes > =================================== > > Cheers, > > Chris > > -- > ==================================== > "If you get to thinkin' you're a person of some influence, > try orderin' someone else's dog around." > --Cowboy Wisdom > > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list -- ============================= Daniel Wittenberg RHCE+AS/IBM Certified Specialist President/CTO The Starken Group http://www.starken.com From hosting at j2solutions.net Thu Oct 9 20:22:53 2003 From: hosting at j2solutions.net (Jesse Keating) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 13:22:53 -0700 Subject: Wen-Jiunn Chin/Endicott/IBM is out of the office. In-Reply-To: <023101c38e9c$abed3dc0$9100000a@intgrp.com> References: <023101c38e9c$abed3dc0$9100000a@intgrp.com> Message-ID: <200310091322.53424.hosting@j2solutions.net> On Thursday 09 October 2003 12:36, Eric Wood wrote: > This > will get through some vacation autoresponder programs. broken ones. -- Jesse Keating RHCE MCSE http://geek.j2solutions.net Mondo DevTeam (http://www.microwerks.net/~hugo/) Was I helpful? Let others know: http://svcs.affero.net/rm.php?r=jkeating From gstool at earthlink.net Thu Oct 9 20:27:56 2003 From: gstool at earthlink.net (Gerry Tool) Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 15:27:56 -0500 Subject: Invalid Architecture and OS release combination (0.95, athlon-redhat-linux). In-Reply-To: <20031009154901.B29659@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <20031009154901.B29659@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1065731275.6316.10.camel@gstpc.earthlink.net> On Thu, 2003-10-09 at 14:49, Bill Nottingham wrote: > > but? um.. now it thinks I am running 0.95.. oops :) > > Things will be cleaned up around the release time of test3. > > > can I jus snag an older fedora-release pkg from rawhide and install it? > > Yes. > > Bill Where can one be found? The only one in rawhide is the 0.95 version, and the one on the isos for test2 is redhat-release 0.94-2. Gerry From wen at us.ibm.com Thu Oct 9 20:28:03 2003 From: wen at us.ibm.com (Wen-Jiunn Chin) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 16:28:03 -0400 Subject: Wen-Jiunn Chin/Endicott/IBM is out of the office. Message-ID: I will be out of the office starting October 9, 2003 and will not return until October 14, 2003. I am out of the office from 10/09/03, returning 10/14/03. You will receive only this notification of my absence prior to my return, at which time I will respond. Please contact Syed Abuthagir for GWA. Please contact my manager David Albright, for emergencies. From chrisw01 at privatei.com Thu Oct 9 20:39:23 2003 From: chrisw01 at privatei.com (Christopher A. Williams) Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 14:39:23 -0600 Subject: [FEDORA] Browsing Samba in Nautilus In-Reply-To: <1065730874.30970.9.camel@hawk.wittenberg.org> References: <1065730659.9994.9.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> <1065730874.30970.9.camel@hawk.wittenberg.org> Message-ID: <1065731963.9994.19.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> On Thu, 2003-10-09 at 14:21, Daniel Wittenberg wrote: On Thu, 2003-10-09 at 15:17, Christopher A. Williams wrote: > > Anyone know how to get around this problem? Whenever I try to use > > Nautilus to browse an SMB network, I get the following message: > > > > Couldn't display "smb:///", because Nautilus cannot contact the SMB > > master browser. > > Check that an SMB server is running in the local network. > > > > No matter what I do, I can not browse at the workgroup level via > > Nautilus. Oddly enough, I can look specifically at my shares using a SMB > > URL pointing to my system. > If you do smbclient -L it should show at the bottom who > the master browser is. Anything in your samba logs ? > The command smbclient -L spike-home (the name of my samba server) produces the following (after finding that entering no password works): Password: Anonymous login successful Sharename Type Comment --------- ---- ------- public Disk Public Share IPC$ IPC IPC Service (Home Computer Samba Server) ADMIN$ IPC IPC Service (Home Computer Samba Server) PhotoSmart Printer Created by redhat-config-printer 0.6.x Anonymous login successful Server Comment --------- ------- SPIKE-HOME Home Computer Samba Server Workgroup Master --------- ------- SPIKENET SPIKE-HOME This is consistent with nmbd.log, which just has: [2003/10/09 14:09:51, 0] nmbd/nmbd.c:main(665) Netbios nameserver version 3.0.0-15 started. Copyright Andrew Tridgell and the Samba Team 1994-2003 [2003/10/09 14:15:44, 0] nmbd/nmbd_become_lmb.c:become_local_master_stage2(396) ***** Samba name server SPIKE-HOME is now a local master browser for workgroup SPIKENET on subnet 192.168.1.100 ***** [2003/10/09 14:15:44, 0] nmbd/nmbd_become_lmb.c:become_local_master_stage2(396) ***** Samba name server SPIKE-HOME is now a local master browser for workgroup SPIKENET on subnet 172.16.27.1 ***** [2003/10/09 14:15:44, 0] nmbd/nmbd_become_lmb.c:become_local_master_stage2(396) ***** So my Samba server is indeed the master browser. I did create samba passwords (supposedly) for root and my regular ID, but they don't seem to work in this case. They do work if I want to access a share directly though. Still can't browse either. Curious... Cheers, Chris -- ==================================== "If you get to thinkin' you're a person of some influence, try orderin' someone else's dog around." --Cowboy Wisdom From aoliva at redhat.com Thu Oct 9 20:44:30 2003 From: aoliva at redhat.com (Alexandre Oliva) Date: 09 Oct 2003 17:44:30 -0300 Subject: Why a beta3 so soon? In-Reply-To: <1065730800.15366.3.camel@techbyte.com.br> References: <1065730800.15366.3.camel@techbyte.com.br> Message-ID: On Oct 9, 2003, Thiago Vinhas de Moraes wrote: > Is this really necessary to release a beta3 of Fedore, just a few weeks > after the beta2? It was in the schedule. The schedule also has final just a few weeks ahead. > What's new on this beta that justify an entire new set of CD's? OOo 1.1, for one. Another reason for more betas is that people in general will only exercise the installer when installing betas, and the installer is something that should be very well tested. -- Alexandre Oliva Enjoy Guarana', see http://www.ic.unicamp.br/~oliva/ Red Hat GCC Developer aoliva@{redhat.com, gcc.gnu.org} CS PhD student at IC-Unicamp oliva@{lsd.ic.unicamp.br, gnu.org} Free Software Evangelist Professional serial bug killer From thacker at math.cornell.edu Thu Oct 9 20:45:07 2003 From: thacker at math.cornell.edu (John Alexander Thacker) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 16:45:07 -0400 Subject: Why a beta3 so soon? In-Reply-To: <1065730800.15366.3.camel@techbyte.com.br> References: <1065730800.15366.3.camel@techbyte.com.br> Message-ID: <20031009204507.GA9125@thacker.dyndns.org> On Thu, Oct 09, 2003 at 05:20:00PM -0300, Thiago Vinhas de Moraes wrote: > > Is this really necessary to release a beta3 of Fedore, just a few weeks > after the beta2? > What's new on this beta that justify an entire new set of CD's? Three weeks of updates. There are a lot of people who don't have big fat network connections on all their machines, and for whom a CD install is easier. It's worth it to have test releases every three weeks or so for those people, so that they can join in the bug testing process. As we get closer to a general release, things move more towards bug squashing rather than lots of new things. Though Openoffice.org 1.1 is big. John Thacker From notting at redhat.com Thu Oct 9 20:45:40 2003 From: notting at redhat.com (Bill Nottingham) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 16:45:40 -0400 Subject: Invalid Architecture and OS release combination (0.95, athlon-redhat-linux). In-Reply-To: <1065731275.6316.10.camel@gstpc.earthlink.net>; from gstool@earthlink.net on Thu, Oct 09, 2003 at 03:27:56PM -0500 References: <20031009154901.B29659@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1065731275.6316.10.camel@gstpc.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <20031009164540.A23760@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Gerry Tool (gstool at earthlink.net) said: > > Things will be cleaned up around the release time of test3. > > > > > can I jus snag an older fedora-release pkg from rawhide and install it? > > > > Yes. > > Where can one be found? The only one in rawhide is the 0.95 version, > and the one on the isos for test2 is redhat-release 0.94-2. The test2 one should work, actually. Bill From mark at mitre.org Thu Oct 9 20:46:03 2003 From: mark at mitre.org (Mark Heslep) Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 16:46:03 -0400 Subject: X locks the machine. Message-ID: <3F85C90B.9070405@mitre.org> I'm running severn test2 and just apt upgraded the latest everything this afternoon. I think there was a new initscripts and modutils in there? I've been using the latest X ..-37 fine for a couple days. Anyway, all is well up to run level 3 but starting X locks the machine repeatably. Im using the latest 2.4.22 smp kernel for several days (8087?) Fell back to the previous kernel (non smp) with the same results. Anybody else seeing this? Gear: P4, Intel 7000 AGP, Intel E7505 Chipset, ATI Fire GL X1 Mark PS also tried turning off prelink with same results. From terraformers at gmx.net Thu Oct 9 20:51:45 2003 From: terraformers at gmx.net (lars) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 22:51:45 +0200 Subject: Help on the new 2.6 test kernel Message-ID: <200310092251.45134.terraformers@gmx.net> thats not the way it should be. maybe zander, who wrote the nvidia 2.6 patches can help you with this... had a little chat on irc with him and he tried vanilla test6-bk8 on his laptop, worked ok for him and later for me too. you can reach him via irc @ irc.freenode.net #nvidia good luck! lars you wrote: Thanks for reply, lars. I am not so lucky. When it first happened I thought it might be because I didn't upgrade to the severn2. But today after I upgraded my system and tried the test7 it was still there :( Guo From erqu0001 at d.umn.edu Thu Oct 9 20:51:23 2003 From: erqu0001 at d.umn.edu (Santiago Erquicia) Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 15:51:23 -0500 Subject: [FEDORA] Browsing Samba in Nautilus In-Reply-To: <1065730874.30970.9.camel@hawk.wittenberg.org> References: <1065730659.9994.9.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> <1065730874.30970.9.camel@hawk.wittenberg.org> Message-ID: <1065732683.3783.6.camel@argentina> I have the same problem. I don't know what did you mean with , but I did that with 127.0.0.1 and this is the result: [santiago at argentina santiago]$ smbclient -L 127.0.0.1 Password: Sharename Type Comment --------- ---- ------- Download Disk Download linux IPC$ IPC IPC Service (santiago samba server) ADMIN$ IPC IPC Service (santiago samba server) santiago Disk Home Directories Server Comment --------- ------- Workgroup Master --------- ------- MSHOME If what I did was right, there is no Master server. I can't make browse a WinXP network. I think that with RH9 I could but when I installed the samba server I couldn't anymore. As you can see I don't know anything about networks, but I just want to share information over it ;-). On Thu, 2003-10-09 at 15:21, Daniel Wittenberg wrote: > If you do smbclient -L it should show at the bottom who > the master browser is. Anything in your samba logs ? > > Dan > > On Thu, 2003-10-09 at 15:17, Christopher A. Williams wrote: > > Anyone know how to get around this problem? Whenever I try to use > > Nautilus to browse an SMB network, I get the following message: > > > > Couldn't display "smb:///", because Nautilus cannot contact the SMB > > master browser. > > Check that an SMB server is running in the local network. > > > > No matter what I do, I can not browse at the workgroup level via > > Nautilus. Oddly enough, I can look specifically at my shares using a SMB > > URL pointing to my system. From aoliva at redhat.com Thu Oct 9 21:06:15 2003 From: aoliva at redhat.com (Alexandre Oliva) Date: 09 Oct 2003 18:06:15 -0300 Subject: X locks the machine. In-Reply-To: <3F85C90B.9070405@mitre.org> References: <3F85C90B.9070405@mitre.org> Message-ID: On Oct 9, 2003, Mark Heslep wrote: > PS also tried turning off prelink with same results. Try turning off rhgb? (nogui in the kernel command line) -- Alexandre Oliva Enjoy Guarana', see http://www.ic.unicamp.br/~oliva/ Red Hat GCC Developer aoliva@{redhat.com, gcc.gnu.org} CS PhD student at IC-Unicamp oliva@{lsd.ic.unicamp.br, gnu.org} Free Software Evangelist Professional serial bug killer From m.a.young at durham.ac.uk Thu Oct 9 21:18:41 2003 From: m.a.young at durham.ac.uk (M A Young) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 22:18:41 +0100 (BST) Subject: Invalid Architecture and OS release combination (0.95,athlon-redhat-linux). Message-ID: Gerry Tool wrote: >On Thu, 2003-10-09 at 14:49, Bill Nottingham wrote: >> > can I jus snag an older fedora-release pkg from rawhide and install >it? >> >> Yes. >> >> Bill >Where can one be found? The only one in rawhide is the 0.95 version, >and the one on the isos for test2 is redhat-release 0.94-2. Try a slower rawhide mirror, eg. http://www.mirror.ac.uk/sites/ftp.redhat.com/pub/redhat/linux/rawhide/i386/RedHat/RPMS/fedora-release-0.94-2.i386.rpm Michael Young From christoph.wickert at web.de Thu Oct 9 21:25:36 2003 From: christoph.wickert at web.de (Christoph Wickert) Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 23:25:36 +0200 Subject: Browsing Samba in Nautilus In-Reply-To: <1065730659.9994.9.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> References: <1065730659.9994.9.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> Message-ID: <3F85D250.3000105@web.de> Christopher A. Williams schrieb: >=== sample smb.conf file ===== > ># Global parameters >[global] > workgroup = spikenet > server string = Home Computer Samba Server > username map = /etc/samba/smbusers > client lanman auth = No > log file = /var/log/samba/%m.log > max log size = 50 > min protocol = LANMAN1 > announce version = 6.0.94 > client use spnego = No > socket options = TCP_NODELAY SO_RCVBUF=8192 SO_SNDBUF=8192 > hostname lookups = Yes > printcap name = cups > os level = 65 > dns proxy = No > ldap ssl = no > password server = None > printing = cups > > I'm not really familiar with samba3, but I think you need "netbios name = " somewhere in the globals. I've installed severn and samba didn't work, but when I added the netbios name and restarted everything worked fine. A bug in default config? Christoph From gstool at earthlink.net Thu Oct 9 21:29:34 2003 From: gstool at earthlink.net (Gerry Tool) Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 16:29:34 -0500 Subject: Invalid Architecture and OS release combination (0.95,athlon-redhat-linux). In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1065734974.7264.0.camel@gstpc.earthlink.net> On Thu, 2003-10-09 at 16:18, M A Young wrote: > Gerry Tool wrote: > > >On Thu, 2003-10-09 at 14:49, Bill Nottingham wrote: > >> > can I jus snag an older fedora-release pkg from rawhide and install > >it? > >> > >> Yes. > >> > >> Bill > >Where can one be found? The only one in rawhide is the 0.95 version, > >and the one on the isos for test2 is redhat-release 0.94-2. > > Try a slower rawhide mirror, eg. > http://www.mirror.ac.uk/sites/ftp.redhat.com/pub/redhat/linux/rawhide/i386/RedHat/RPMS/fedora-release-0.94-2.i386.rpm > Thanks, that worked. Gerry From christoph.wickert at web.de Thu Oct 9 21:38:41 2003 From: christoph.wickert at web.de (Christoph Wickert) Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 23:38:41 +0200 Subject: Turn OFF HTML (Re: What are consequences (the lack of freedom on the USA)) In-Reply-To: <1065715763.8891.20.camel@techbyte.com.br> References: <01L1MIVTZ40Y004SPU@rcum.uni-mb.si> <1065705842.20701.12.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> <1065715763.8891.20.camel@techbyte.com.br> Message-ID: <3F85D561.5040002@web.de> Thiago Vinhas de Moraes schrieb: > What me banned from the list, do it, I don't care. But you cannot shut > my mouth up. I don't leave in the USA, and in my country there is free > speech. I will not say anything about your statements here, but PLEASE, Dear Mr. de Moraes, cloud you be so kind as to turn HTLM OFF!!! I think this is reason enough to ban you from this list. Sorry. Christoph From rhl at red-raider.de Thu Oct 9 21:59:53 2003 From: rhl at red-raider.de (Martin) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 23:59:53 +0200 Subject: dbus packages, up2date & 3c905C Message-ID: <18944687747.20031009235953@red-raider.de> Hi *!*@*.* since a few days up2date list dbus, dbus-devel, dbus-glib and dbus-x11 0.13-2 (0.11.91-3 being installed) and if I select them I get a warning: "There was a package dependency problem. The message was: Unresolvable chain of dependencies: dbus-qt-0.11.91-3 requires dbus = 0.11.91 Please modify your package selections and try again." Why is there no dbus-qt-0.13-2 in up2date? The problem with up2date wanting to install the same version of aspell that was already installed has gone away since there was a real update a few days ago. Now its only xemacs-el 21.4.14-1 which up2date wants to install even it already is. xemacs-sumo and xemacs-sumo-el 20031003-1 can't be installed either because of a problem with xemacs-el. And my fedora machine (3c905C) can only send at a speed of 350 KB anymore. It can receive files fast only sending is fubared. I remember reading something about a problem with these cards... will this be fixed for test3? Cheers, Martin From mark at mitre.org Thu Oct 9 22:03:02 2003 From: mark at mitre.org (Mark Heslep) Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 18:03:02 -0400 Subject: X locks the machine. In-Reply-To: References: <3F85C90B.9070405@mitre.org> Message-ID: <3F85DB16.9000409@mitre.org> Alexandre Oliva wrote: >On Oct 9, 2003, Mark Heslep wrote: > > > >>PS also tried turning off prelink with same results. >> >> > >Try turning off rhgb? (nogui in the kernel command line) > > > As above Im starting X from level 3 so graphical boot is not a factor. Hmmm. Maybe Ill boot with it on from scratch and see if the X started by RHGB does same. From diwaker at ucsd.edu Thu Oct 9 22:05:22 2003 From: diwaker at ucsd.edu (Diwaker Gupta) Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 15:05:22 -0700 Subject: Apt repositories for severn? Message-ID: <3F85DBA2.6060903@ucsd.edu> Anyone has any idea about apt repositories for Severn? AFAIK there was one at livna.org but I forgot the exact URL. TIA -- Diwaker Gupta From mark at mitre.org Thu Oct 9 22:08:48 2003 From: mark at mitre.org (Mark Heslep) Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 18:08:48 -0400 Subject: X locks the machine. In-Reply-To: <3F85C90B.9070405@mitre.org> References: <3F85C90B.9070405@mitre.org> Message-ID: <3F85DC70.9020807@mitre.org> Mark Heslep wrote: > I'm running severn test2 and just apt upgraded the latest everything > this afternoon. I think there was a new initscripts and modutils in > there? I've been using the latest X ..-37 fine for a couple days. > Anyway, all is well up to run level 3 but starting X locks the machine > repeatably. Im using the latest 2.4.22 smp kernel for several days > (8087?) Fell back to the previous kernel (non smp) with the same > results. Anybody else seeing this? > Gear: > P4, Intel 7000 AGP, Intel E7505 Chipset, ATI Fire GL X1 > > Mark > PS also tried turning off prelink with same results. > > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > I'm thinking this post earlier today is the actually the same problem: http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/2003-October/msg00890.html From b.j.smith at ieee.org Thu Oct 9 22:09:27 2003 From: b.j.smith at ieee.org (Bryan J. Smith) Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 18:09:27 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Turn OFF HTML -- it's amazing ... I've gotta comment on this ... In-Reply-To: <3F85D561.5040002@web.de> References: <01L1MIVTZ40Y004SPU@rcum.uni-mb.si> <1065705842.20701.12.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> <1065715763.8891.20.camel@techbyte.com.br> <3F85D561.5040002@web.de> Message-ID: <1065737367.3f85dc97c3f6c@webmail.smithconcepts.com> Quoting Christoph Wickert : > I will not say anything about your statements here, but PLEASE, Dear Mr. > de Moraes, cloud you be so kind as to turn HTLM OFF!!! > I think this is reason enough to ban you from this list. Sorry. First off, the American media does a most excellent job of showing how Americans disagree with other Americans, American leadership with other American leadership, debates, complaints and a general sense of "Americans never agree together on anything" nor speak in an "unified voice." Secondly, American media itself, be it radio, TV or otherwise, is so out of touch with Americans -- just as much as American leaders. The big American networks have some of the worst truth ratings of any world-wide news organizations, often "mis-interpret" information from even 3rd party, international news organizations and, despite not being government-controlled, still have their own agendas means you can't trust them much either. As such, I can only conclude that disagreement and distention is alive and well in America, from its leaders to its media to its people. The fact that Americans disagree continually with themselves, are not afraid let alone not ashamed to show it with the whole world watching, and generally never talk with an unified voice tells me America is the most free country in the world. When Americans start agreeing on things with themselves (irrespective of the world), that's when it's over. ;-PPP With that said, my $0.02 ... No "hate #1" attitudes here. Be it America, Microsoft or Red Hat, relative to whatever "#1" you "hate." No banning people either, which can be "hate" in return. Worse yet, it's often masked as "innocent" when it is, in fact, not so "innocent." Just practice the Golden Rule. -- Bryan J. Smith, E.I. mailto:b.j.smith at ieee.org http://thebs.org ------------------------------------------------------------------ [NT-based] Windows itself has never been the primary issue with security. Secure configuration of Windows prevents 98% of Windows software from working properly, especially Microsoft's own. Hence why a secure Windows is not an option for enterprises, since it would prevent them from working. From gxy3139 at njit.edu Thu Oct 9 22:14:30 2003 From: gxy3139 at njit.edu (Guo Yang) Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 18:14:30 -0400 Subject: Help on the new 2.6 test kernel With some additional information In-Reply-To: <200310092251.45134.terraformers@gmx.net> References: <200310092251.45134.terraformers@gmx.net> Message-ID: <3F85DDC6.5090408@njit.edu> lars wrote: >thats not the way it should be. >maybe zander, who wrote the nvidia 2.6 patches can help you with >this... had a little chat on irc with him and he tried vanilla test6-bk8 on >his laptop, worked ok for him and later for me too. >you can reach him via irc @ irc.freenode.net #nvidia > >good luck! >lars > > > >you wrote: >Thanks for reply, lars. I am not so lucky. When it first happened I thought it >might be because I didn't upgrade to the severn2. But today after I upgraded >my system and tried the test7 it was still there :( > >Guo > > > >-- >fedora-test-list mailing list >fedora-test-list at redhat.com >http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > Thanks, lars. This afternoon, I tried ksymoops to decode the oops and got the output below. (unfortunately I don't know where the /proc/ksym is so it may not be so useful) Hopefully it is useful to some experts. ksymoops 2.4.9 on i686 2.6.0-0.test7.1.51. Options used -V (default) -k /proc/kallsyms (specified) -l /proc/modules (default) -o /lib/modules/2.6.0-0.test7.1.51/ (default) -m /boot/System.map (specified) Warning (read_ksyms): no kernel symbols in ksyms, is /proc/kallsyms a valid ksyms file? No modules in ksyms, skipping objects No ksyms, skipping lsmod Unable to handle kernel paging request at virtual address 49656e69 d0cacc11 *pde = 00000000 Oops: 0000 [#1] CPU: 0 EIP: 0060:[] Tainted: PF Using defaults from ksymoops -t elf32-i386 -a i386 EFLAGS: 00010246 eax: cb209f5c ebx: c02e06f0 ecx: 6c65746e edx: 49656e69 esi: cb209f5c edi: 49656e69 ebp: cb209f6c esp: cb209f3c ds: 007b es: 007b ss: 0068 Stack: d0d06000 00000001 d0b83e39 cb209f5c d0cb3360 0000000c 00000000 00000002 756e6547 49656e69 6c65746e d0caae80 cb209f74 d0b83e90 cb209f7c d0b85fd8 c02e06d8 d08630e1 00000000 d0cc2680 000000c3 c02d2414 b7c2a008 c02e06f0 Call Trace: [] __nvsym00760+0x49/0x98 [nvidia] [] nv_kern_pm+0x0/0xf0 [nvidia] [] __nvsym00763+0x8/0x50 [nvidia] [] rm_init_rm+0x8/0xc [nvidia] [] nvidia_init_module+0xe1/0x184 [nvidia] [] sys_init_module+0xef/0x1d0 [] syscall_call+0x7/0xb Code: f3 a6 0f 92 c0 8b 34 24 8b 7c 24 04 0f 97 c2 83 c4 08 28 c2 >>EIP; d0cacc11 <__crc_mb_cache_entry_release+2a56e4/4823ea> <===== >>eax; cb209f5c <__crc_tcp_openreq_cachep+2e34dc/6728d7> >>ebx; c02e06f0 >>ecx; 6c65746e <__crc_xtime_lock+37aae/52a57> >>edx; 49656e69 <__crc_udp_hash+274888/880395> >>esi; cb209f5c <__crc_tcp_openreq_cachep+2e34dc/6728d7> >>edi; 49656e69 <__crc_udp_hash+274888/880395> >>ebp; cb209f6c <__crc_tcp_openreq_cachep+2e34ec/6728d7> >>esp; cb209f3c <__crc_tcp_openreq_cachep+2e34bc/6728d7> Trace; d0b83e39 <__crc_mb_cache_entry_release+17c90c/4823ea> Trace; d0caae80 <__crc_mb_cache_entry_release+2a3953/4823ea> Trace; d0b83e90 <__crc_mb_cache_entry_release+17c963/4823ea> Trace; d0b85fd8 <__crc_mb_cache_entry_release+17eaab/4823ea> Trace; d08630e1 <__crc_in_dev_finish_destroy+216236/21e270> Trace; c013114f Trace; c010aeef Code; d0cacc11 <__crc_mb_cache_entry_release+2a56e4/4823ea> 00000000 <_EIP>: Code; d0cacc11 <__crc_mb_cache_entry_release+2a56e4/4823ea> <===== 0: f3 a6 repz cmpsb %es:(%edi),%ds:(%esi) <===== Code; d0cacc13 <__crc_mb_cache_entry_release+2a56e6/4823ea> 2: 0f 92 c0 setb %al Code; d0cacc16 <__crc_mb_cache_entry_release+2a56e9/4823ea> 5: 8b 34 24 mov (%esp,1),%esi Code; d0cacc19 <__crc_mb_cache_entry_release+2a56ec/4823ea> 8: 8b 7c 24 04 mov 0x4(%esp,1),%edi Code; d0cacc1d <__crc_mb_cache_entry_release+2a56f0/4823ea> c: 0f 97 c2 seta %dl Code; d0cacc20 <__crc_mb_cache_entry_release+2a56f3/4823ea> f: 83 c4 08 add $0x8,%esp Code; d0cacc23 <__crc_mb_cache_entry_release+2a56f6/4823ea> 12: 28 c2 sub %al,%dl 1 warning issued. Results may not be reliable. From christoph.wickert at web.de Thu Oct 9 22:22:46 2003 From: christoph.wickert at web.de (Christoph Wickert) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 00:22:46 +0200 Subject: boot performance Message-ID: <3F85DFB6.6090505@web.de> I know, there 've been lots of postings about the performance of servern. I think the performance in general is ok (even OO compared to M$ Office). My question is about booting: When RH8 was released, for me here in Germany it was unusable because of buggy utf8. After testing it I switched back to 7.3 and was happy. When RH9 came out I gave it a try, but I still was not setisfied (for other reasons, e. g. crippled KDE) and turned to Debian. First thing I noticed was, my box (Athlon XP2000, 512 MB) was booting MUCH faster: * Booting Debian Woody takes less than 27 secs (from selecing "Linux" in Lilo to the login screen). The new 2.4.22 kernel is a little bit slower, say 29 secs. * Booting RH (all releases I know from 6.1) took at least 40 secs, kudzu always turned off. Severn is 54 with rhgb, without maybe 50. Why is my machine booting twice as fast with Debian? Even when I turn on nearly all services (mysql, http, bind...) it's still at least 20 secs faster than severn. Ok, the sendmail thing has already been mentioned (and I think, a smaller/faster mta will work fpr most people), but this cannot be the only reason. Christoph P. S.: Performance in shutting down is the same :-) From jaap_haitsma at zonnet.nl Thu Oct 9 22:23:22 2003 From: jaap_haitsma at zonnet.nl (Jaap A. Haitsma) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 00:23:22 +0200 Subject: Apt repositories for severn? In-Reply-To: <3F85DBA2.6060903@ucsd.edu> References: <3F85DBA2.6060903@ucsd.edu> Message-ID: <3F85DFDA.1040807@zonnet.nl> Diwaker Gupta wrote: > Anyone has any idea about apt repositories for Severn? AFAIK there was > one at livna.org but I forgot the exact URL. > > TIA http://rpm.livna.org/ From paul.morgan at jumanjihouse.com Thu Oct 9 22:24:23 2003 From: paul.morgan at jumanjihouse.com (Paul Morgan) Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 17:24:23 -0500 Subject: Fuzzy Fedora Message-ID: <1065738262.5626.2.camel@vaio.jumanjihouse.com> After today's up2date and a reboot of my test laptop, the red fedora icon on the gnome panel is no longer a sharp image. Is this isolated, or has anybody else seen this? tia -paul From andre at bwh.harvard.edu Thu Oct 9 22:25:56 2003 From: andre at bwh.harvard.edu (Andre Robatino) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 18:25:56 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Fuzzy Fedora In-Reply-To: <1065738262.5626.2.camel@vaio.jumanjihouse.com> from "Paul Morgan" at Oct 09, 2003 05:24:23 PM Message-ID: <200310092225.h99MPuW11896@garfield.bwh.harvard.edu> > After today's up2date and a reboot of my test laptop, the red fedora > icon on the gnome panel is no longer a sharp image. Is this isolated, or > has anybody else seen this? tia -paul Yes, now that you mention it, I see it too. From jaap_haitsma at zonnet.nl Thu Oct 9 22:38:45 2003 From: jaap_haitsma at zonnet.nl (Jaap A. Haitsma) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 00:38:45 +0200 Subject: Fuzzy Fedora In-Reply-To: <200310092225.h99MPuW11896@garfield.bwh.harvard.edu> References: <200310092225.h99MPuW11896@garfield.bwh.harvard.edu> Message-ID: <3F85E375.1000601@zonnet.nl> Problem and solution have been posted on the development list today See: http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2003-October/msg00433.html Jaap Andre Robatino wrote: >>After today's up2date and a reboot of my test laptop, the red fedora >>icon on the gnome panel is no longer a sharp image. Is this isolated, or >>has anybody else seen this? tia -paul > > > Yes, now that you mention it, I see it too. > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > From knxmay001 at mail.uct.ac.za Thu Oct 9 22:40:49 2003 From: knxmay001 at mail.uct.ac.za (Maynard Kuona) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 00:40:49 +0200 Subject: Skip packages Message-ID: <1065739248.5486.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> How do I specify to skip certain packages when using apt-get upgrade. Anyone let me know? From otaylor at redhat.com Thu Oct 9 22:40:09 2003 From: otaylor at redhat.com (Owen Taylor) Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 18:40:09 -0400 Subject: Fuzzy Fedora In-Reply-To: <1065738262.5626.2.camel@vaio.jumanjihouse.com> References: <1065738262.5626.2.camel@vaio.jumanjihouse.com> Message-ID: <1065739209.25628.203.camel@poincare.devel.redhat.com> On Thu, 2003-10-09 at 18:24, Paul Morgan wrote: > After today's up2date and a reboot of my test laptop, the red fedora > icon on the gnome panel is no longer a sharp image. Is this isolated, or > has anybody else seen this? tia -paul Fixed by gnome-panel-2.4.0-2. (If you want more explanation, see recent messages on fedora-devel) Regards, Owen From pp at ee.oulu.fi Thu Oct 9 22:56:59 2003 From: pp at ee.oulu.fi (Pekka Pietikainen) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 01:56:59 +0300 Subject: Help on the new 2.6 test kernel In-Reply-To: <200310092251.45134.terraformers@gmx.net> References: <200310092251.45134.terraformers@gmx.net> Message-ID: <20031009225658.GA1280@ee.oulu.fi> On Thu, Oct 09, 2003 at 10:51:45PM +0200, lars wrote: > thats not the way it should be. > maybe zander, who wrote the nvidia 2.6 patches can help you with > this... had a little chat on irc with him and he tried vanilla test6-bk8 on > his laptop, worked ok for him and later for me too. > you can reach him via irc @ irc.freenode.net #nvidia I have a theory, that there are actually two nvidia + arjanv-2.6 issues exec-shield does something that confuses the binary-only parts of the driver, this prevents loading of the module and might not be fixable apart from removing exec-shield (or maybe kludging the os_mem_cmp thing that __nvsym_00670 calls but that would be truly evil). The other one looks AGP 8x/KT400 related, which I explained in an earlier mail. Basically disabling AGP or using NVAGP works, agpgart doesn't unless you start up X with NVAGP first and then use agpgart. Some magic pci "make it work" bit not getting flipped, perhaps? (agpgart-X is the doesn't work scenario) --- agpgart-X 2003-10-10 01:40:43.000000000 +0300 +++ agpgart-after-nvagp 2003-10-10 01:36:54.000000000 +0300 @@ -6,7 +6,7 @@ 00:00.0 Class 0600: 1106:3189 Subsystem: 1043:807f Control: I/O- Mem+ BusMaster+ SpecCycle- MemWINV- VGASnoop- ParErr- Stepping- SERR- FastB2B- Status: Cap+ 66Mhz+ UDF- FastB2B- ParErr- DEVSEL=medium >TAbort- SERR- References: <1065730659.9994.9.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> <3F85D250.3000105@web.de> Message-ID: <1065740214.9994.27.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> On Thu, 2003-10-09 at 15:25, Christoph Wickert wrote: > Christopher A. Williams schrieb: > I'm not really familiar with samba3, but I think you need "netbios name > = " somewhere in the globals. I've installed severn and > samba didn't work, but when I added the netbios name and restarted > everything worked fine. A bug in default config? > > Christoph Gave that a try. No luck... I thought that would be a lucky shot if it did work though. Normally that parameter automatically defaults to the first part of the machine's IP host name. I'll keep looking... Cheers, Chris -- ==================================== "If you get to thinkin' you're a person of some influence, try orderin' someone else's dog around." --Cowboy Wisdom From Tommy.McNeely at Sun.com Thu Oct 9 22:59:22 2003 From: Tommy.McNeely at Sun.com (Tommy McNeely) Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 16:59:22 -0600 Subject: dbus-qt requires dbus-0.11.91-3 Message-ID: dbus-qt requires dbus-0.11.91-3 um yeah.. so I just unselected all the other dbus things and it seems to make it through the check, but shouldn't there be a dbus-qt for 0.13-2 ? Tommy From Tommy.McNeely at Sun.com Thu Oct 9 23:30:08 2003 From: Tommy.McNeely at Sun.com (Tommy McNeely) Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 17:30:08 -0600 Subject: Invalid Architecture and OS release combination (0.95,athlon-redhat-linux). References: Message-ID: On Thu, 09 Oct 2003 22:18:41 +0100, M A Young wrote: > Gerry Tool wrote: > >> [quoted text muted] > > Try a slower rawhide mirror, eg. > http://www.mirror.ac.uk/sites/ftp.redhat.com/pub/redhat/linux/rawhide/i386/RedHat/RPMS/fedora-release-0.94-2.i386.rpm > > Michael Young I thought that rawhide would have at least the last two revisions of a package.. incase the newest one caused problems? I ended up using redhat-release off the isos... Tommy From listman at depfyffer.com Fri Oct 10 01:55:51 2003 From: listman at depfyffer.com (Kevin d) Date: 09 Oct 2003 18:55:51 -0700 Subject: Locked up at running /sbin/loader Message-ID: <1065750951.14033.16.camel@depfyffer.com> When I try to install fedora it locks up at running /sbin/loader. I have an asus A7N266 MB and an AMD 2400xp cpu. Does anyone have a clue how I can get fedora installed? The first beta installed fine, all I had to do was hdparm -d0 /dev/hdc before I started installing packages. From redhat-jc at insight.rr.com Fri Oct 10 01:55:33 2003 From: redhat-jc at insight.rr.com (Jim Cornette) Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 21:55:33 -0400 Subject: New RHGB in rawhide In-Reply-To: <20031008165315.H32153@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <1065622612.2014.4.camel@bart.netlyncs.com> <3F842912.2000508@xwell.org> <20031008165315.H32153@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <3F861195.50807@insight.rr.com> Bill Nottingham wrote: > Kyle Maxwell (kylem at well.org) said: > >>and the box stayed empty. I expected that there would be some updated >>text scrolling through there, but nada. Are my expectations misplaced or >>is this incorrect behavior? > > > This required a little initscripts tweak, it will be there tomorrow. > > Bill > > This feature has really improved the graphical boot loader. The overall work on the program is great. It is not too drab, nor does it resemble any other OSes graphical boot much. Great results so far! I'm sure it will become more impressive progressively. Jim -- Not all men who drink are poets. Some of us drink because we aren't poets. From mbarrientos at cfl.rr.com Fri Oct 10 02:16:36 2003 From: mbarrientos at cfl.rr.com (Mario) Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 22:16:36 -0400 Subject: rhn errors: Your account does not have access to any channels matching (release='0.95', arch='i686-redhat-linux') Message-ID: <3F861684.8080200@cfl.rr.com> Hi all! I just updated my system and I saw that the package fedora-release was updated to fedora-release-0.95-1 after that I cannot execute up2date again I get the messages: [root at 228 root]# up2date -u Error communicating with server. The message was: Error Message: Your account does not have access to any channels matching (release='0.95', arch='i686-redhat-linux') If you have a registration number, please register with it first at http://www.r edhat.com/apps/activate/ and then try again. Error Class Code: 19 Error Class Info: Architecture and OS version combination is not supported. Explanation: An error has occurred while processing your request. If this problem persists please enter a bug report at bugzilla.redhat.com. If you choose to submit the bug report, please be sure to include details of what you were trying to do when this error occurred and details on how to reproduce this problem. Then I removed the system registered in rhn and trying to registered it again I get the meesage: Invalid Architecture and OS release combination (0.95, i686-redhat-linux). I remember that the previous release of Fedora was 0.94, right? What will happened with rhn? Should I open a bug? Any comment is welcome. Regards Mario From JDrabb at tampabay.rr.com Fri Oct 10 02:27:39 2003 From: JDrabb at tampabay.rr.com (James Drabb) Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 22:27:39 -0400 Subject: Browsing Samba in Nautilus In-Reply-To: <1065740214.9994.27.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> References: <1065730659.9994.9.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> <3F85D250.3000105@web.de> <1065740214.9994.27.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> Message-ID: <1065752859.4685.76.camel@keelie.darden.com> On Thu, 2003-10-09 at 18:56, Christopher A. Williams wrote: > I thought that would be a lucky shot if it did work though. Normally > that parameter automatically defaults to the first part of the machine's > IP host name. > > I'll keep looking... > > Cheers, > > Chris Hmm, something is going on. At work I have a Red Hat 9 workstation on a mostly win2k network of a few thousand PC's. In /etc/sysconfig/samba I have: # Options to smbd SMBDOPTIONS="-D" # Options to nmbd NMBDOPTIONS="-D -n jim-linux" # Options for winbindd WINBINDOPTIONS="" I added the -n jim-linux part to the NMBDOPTIONS to tell nmbd to use jim-linux as my netbios name. In /etc/samba/smb.conf I added: netbios name = jim-linux This works well with Red Hat 9. When I tried to use Fedora Core 2 at work for my workstation, I configured samba the same way but no dice, it didn't connect to anything and no MS box would see me so I switched back to Red hat 9 at work. At home I have a Fedora Core 2 laptop and a Red Hat 9 laptop and they both can talk with no problems. My question is, has anyone gotten samba3 to work on a Win2k/NT network? Jim Drabb -- James Drabb Senior Programmer Analyst Davenport, FL USA From gstool at earthlink.net Fri Oct 10 02:39:49 2003 From: gstool at earthlink.net (Gerry Tool) Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 21:39:49 -0500 Subject: rhn errors: Your account does not have access to any channels matching (release='0.95', arch='i686-redhat-linux') In-Reply-To: <3F861684.8080200@cfl.rr.com> References: <3F861684.8080200@cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: <1065753589.5533.2.camel@gstpc.earthlink.net> On Thu, 2003-10-09 at 21:16, Mario wrote: > Hi all! > > > I just updated my system and I saw that the package fedora-release was > updated to fedora-release-0.95-1 > after that I cannot execute up2date again I get the messages: This has been covered in several threads earlier today. Look in the archives for the discussion and solutions. In short, 0.95 is the release number for test3 due out Monday. You can wait till then or get an older version from a mirror that hasn't updated such as http://www.mirror.ac.uk/sites/ftp.redhat.com/pub/redhat/linux/rawhide/i386/RedHat/RPMS/fedora-release-0.94-2.i386.rpm and replace the fedora-release you just installed. Then, don't update fedora-release again. Gerry From dennis at ausil.us Fri Oct 10 02:41:47 2003 From: dennis at ausil.us (Dennis Gilmore) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 12:41:47 +1000 Subject: rhn errors: Your account does not have access to any channels matching (release='0.95', arch='i686-redhat-linux') In-Reply-To: <3F861684.8080200@cfl.rr.com> References: <3F861684.8080200@cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: <200310101241.49724.dennis@ausil.us> > > I remember that the previous release of Fedora was 0.94, right? What > will happened with rhn? Should I open a bug? > Ive already filed it as a bug. they shouldnt have updated the fedora-release package i dont think Dennis From ojgbagg27ab at msn.com Fri Oct 10 02:44:51 2003 From: ojgbagg27ab at msn.com (alton bailey) Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 22:44:51 -0400 Subject: [FEDORA] Browsing Samba in Nautilus Message-ID: check your firewall setting and enable the check box beside eth0 and also enable firewall and test it again alton >From: "Christopher A. Williams" >Reply-To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com >To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com >Subject: Re: [FEDORA] Browsing Samba in Nautilus >Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 14:39:23 -0600 > >On Thu, 2003-10-09 at 14:21, Daniel Wittenberg wrote: >On Thu, 2003-10-09 at 15:17, Christopher A. Williams wrote: > > > Anyone know how to get around this problem? Whenever I try to use > > > Nautilus to browse an SMB network, I get the following message: > > > > > > Couldn't display "smb:///", because Nautilus cannot contact the SMB > > > master browser. > > > Check that an SMB server is running in the local network. > > > > > > No matter what I do, I can not browse at the workgroup level via > > > Nautilus. Oddly enough, I can look specifically at my shares using a >SMB > > > URL pointing to my system. > > > If you do smbclient -L it should show at the bottom who > > the master browser is. Anything in your samba logs ? > > > >The command smbclient -L spike-home (the name of my samba server) >produces the following (after finding that entering no password works): > >Password: >Anonymous login successful > > Sharename Type Comment > --------- ---- ------- > public Disk Public Share > IPC$ IPC IPC Service (Home Computer Samba >Server) > ADMIN$ IPC IPC Service (Home Computer Samba >Server) > PhotoSmart Printer Created by redhat-config-printer 0.6.x >Anonymous login successful > > Server Comment > --------- ------- > SPIKE-HOME Home Computer Samba Server > > Workgroup Master > --------- ------- > SPIKENET SPIKE-HOME > > >This is consistent with nmbd.log, which just has: > >[2003/10/09 14:09:51, 0] nmbd/nmbd.c:main(665) > Netbios nameserver version 3.0.0-15 started. > Copyright Andrew Tridgell and the Samba Team 1994-2003 >[2003/10/09 14:15:44, 0] >nmbd/nmbd_become_lmb.c:become_local_master_stage2(396) > ***** > > Samba name server SPIKE-HOME is now a local master browser for >workgroup SPIKENET on subnet 192.168.1.100 > > ***** >[2003/10/09 14:15:44, 0] >nmbd/nmbd_become_lmb.c:become_local_master_stage2(396) > ***** > > Samba name server SPIKE-HOME is now a local master browser for >workgroup SPIKENET on subnet 172.16.27.1 > > ***** >[2003/10/09 14:15:44, 0] >nmbd/nmbd_become_lmb.c:become_local_master_stage2(396) > ***** > >So my Samba server is indeed the master browser. I did create samba >passwords (supposedly) for root and my regular ID, but they don't seem >to work in this case. > >They do work if I want to access a share directly though. Still can't >browse either. > >Curious... > >Cheers, > >Chris > >-- >==================================== >"If you get to thinkin' you're a person of some influence, >try orderin' someone else's dog around." >--Cowboy Wisdom > > > >-- >fedora-test-list mailing list >fedora-test-list at redhat.com >http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list _________________________________________________________________ Need more e-mail storage? Get 10MB with Hotmail Extra Storage. http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=features/es From JDrabb at tampabay.rr.com Fri Oct 10 02:47:24 2003 From: JDrabb at tampabay.rr.com (James Drabb) Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 22:47:24 -0400 Subject: New RHGB in rawhide In-Reply-To: <3F861195.50807@insight.rr.com> References: <1065622612.2014.4.camel@bart.netlyncs.com> <3F842912.2000508@xwell.org> <20031008165315.H32153@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <3F861195.50807@insight.rr.com> Message-ID: <1065754044.4685.81.camel@keelie.darden.com> On Thu, 2003-10-09 at 21:55, Jim Cornette wrote: > It is not too drab > > Jim Hey, watch it now : ) Jim Drabb (two b's, thank you very much) -- James Drabb Senior Programmer Analyst Davenport, FL USA From mbarrientos at cfl.rr.com Fri Oct 10 02:49:53 2003 From: mbarrientos at cfl.rr.com (Mario) Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 22:49:53 -0400 Subject: rhn errors: Your account does not have access to any channels matching (release='0.95', arch='i686-redhat-linux') In-Reply-To: <1065753589.5533.2.camel@gstpc.earthlink.net> References: <3F861684.8080200@cfl.rr.com> <1065753589.5533.2.camel@gstpc.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3F861E51.7020500@cfl.rr.com> You're right. As additional information. Even though I got an error registering the system I can see the system listed in RHN but there is no channel associated. Thanks again Mario Gerry Tool wrote: >On Thu, 2003-10-09 at 21:16, Mario wrote: > > >>Hi all! >> >> >>I just updated my system and I saw that the package fedora-release was >>updated to fedora-release-0.95-1 >>after that I cannot execute up2date again I get the messages: >> >> > >This has been covered in several threads earlier today. Look in the >archives for the discussion and solutions. In short, 0.95 is the >release number for test3 due out Monday. You can wait till then or get >an older version from a mirror that hasn't updated such as >http://www.mirror.ac.uk/sites/ftp.redhat.com/pub/redhat/linux/rawhide/i386/RedHat/RPMS/fedora-release-0.94-2.i386.rpm >and replace the fedora-release you just installed. Then, don't update >fedora-release again. > >Gerry > > > >-- >fedora-test-list mailing list >fedora-test-list at redhat.com >http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > > From gstool at earthlink.net Fri Oct 10 02:52:12 2003 From: gstool at earthlink.net (Gerry Tool) Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 21:52:12 -0500 Subject: Xcdroast error Message-ID: <1065754332.5533.5.camel@gstpc.earthlink.net> I have a completely up2date test2 system with all -update channel changes. I tried to use xcdroast and get this error: [root at gstpc root]# xcdroast & [1] 5782 [root at gstpc root]# ** WARNING **: Invalid cdrecord version Clone found. Expecting at least version 1.11a34 Start xcdroast with the -n option to override (not recommended!) [1]+ Exit 1 xcdroast [root at gstpc root]# Xcdroast worked fine a few days ago. Anyone know why this is happening? Thanks. Gerry Tool From gstool at earthlink.net Fri Oct 10 02:54:45 2003 From: gstool at earthlink.net (Gerry Tool) Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 21:54:45 -0500 Subject: Xcdroast error In-Reply-To: <1065754332.5533.5.camel@gstpc.earthlink.net> References: <1065754332.5533.5.camel@gstpc.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <1065754485.5533.7.camel@gstpc.earthlink.net> On Thu, 2003-10-09 at 21:52, Gerry Tool wrote: > I have a completely up2date test2 system with all -update channel > changes. I tried to use xcdroast and get this error: > > [root at gstpc root]# xcdroast & > [1] 5782 > [root at gstpc root]# > ** WARNING **: Invalid cdrecord version Clone found. > Expecting at least version 1.11a34 > Start xcdroast with the -n option to override (not recommended!) > > [1]+ Exit 1 xcdroast > [root at gstpc root]# > > Xcdroast worked fine a few days ago. Anyone know why this is happening? > I forgot to specify the cdrecord version: [root at gstpc root]# rpm -q cdrecord cdrecord-2.01-0.a19.1 [root at gstpc root]# Gerry From jdy at cs.brown.edu Fri Oct 10 02:55:35 2003 From: jdy at cs.brown.edu (Joel Young) Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 22:55:35 -0400 Subject: Xcdroast error In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 09 Oct 2003 21:52:12 CDT." <1065754332.5533.5.camel@gstpc.earthlink.net> References: <1065754332.5533.5.camel@gstpc.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <20031010025535.CD47A3F5C@void.cs.brown.edu> From: Gerry Tool > ** WARNING **: Invalid cdrecord version Clone found. > Expecting at least version 1.11a34 > Start xcdroast with the -n option to override (not recommended!) > Xcdroast worked fine a few days ago. Anyone know why this is happening? me too! From thacker at math.cornell.edu Fri Oct 10 03:00:33 2003 From: thacker at math.cornell.edu (John Alexander Thacker) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 23:00:33 -0400 Subject: Xcdroast error In-Reply-To: <1065754332.5533.5.camel@gstpc.earthlink.net> References: <1065754332.5533.5.camel@gstpc.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <20031010030033.GA12508@thacker.dyndns.org> On Thu, Oct 09, 2003 at 09:52:12PM -0500, Gerry Tool wrote: > ** WARNING **: Invalid cdrecord version Clone found. > Expecting at least version 1.11a34 > Start xcdroast with the -n option to override (not recommended!) > > [1]+ Exit 1 xcdroast > [root at gstpc root]# > > Xcdroast worked fine a few days ago. Anyone know why this is happening? Yes, and I already filed a bug: http://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=106716 cdrecord changed its version string as of 2.01a17. xcdroast requires a patch to correctly recognize the new version string and work properly. Patches are available on the xcdroast homepage http://www.xcdroast.org/xcdr098/patches/ which also solve a couple other problems, like a spurious "error writing tracks" message after a successful write, mentioned on this list. The patches will make it into the next xcdroast release, but in the meantime should be applied to the xcdroast package. It's not too hard to change the SPEC to include the patches. I did and built my own package that fixed the problem. John Thacker From gstool at earthlink.net Fri Oct 10 03:01:17 2003 From: gstool at earthlink.net (Gerry Tool) Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 22:01:17 -0500 Subject: CD-RW drag and drop (UDF) Message-ID: <1065754877.5533.10.camel@gstpc.earthlink.net> In windows, I can format a cd-rw disk and then drag and drop files onto it as though it is a harddrive or floppy. I have not been able to figure out how to do this in Fedora Core. Am I just dense? Is it not doable? Can someone point me to a document that describes how to do this? Thanks. Gerry From jgeorgeson at lopht.net Fri Oct 10 03:05:15 2003 From: jgeorgeson at lopht.net (Justin Georgeson) Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 22:05:15 -0500 Subject: CD-RW drag and drop (UDF) In-Reply-To: <1065754877.5533.10.camel@gstpc.earthlink.net> References: <1065754877.5533.10.camel@gstpc.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3F8621EB.9000704@lopht.net> Gerry Tool wrote: > In windows, I can format a cd-rw disk and then drag and drop files onto > it as though it is a harddrive or floppy. I have not been able to > figure out how to do this in Fedora Core. Am I just dense? Is it not > doable? Can someone point me to a document that describes how to do > this? Last I heard the kernel has UDF read support, but not write. If you insert your UDF CD, it should mount like normal, but you won't be able to write to it. Someone feel free to correct me if this has changed. From listman at depfyffer.com Fri Oct 10 03:14:35 2003 From: listman at depfyffer.com (Kevin d) Date: 09 Oct 2003 20:14:35 -0700 Subject: Locked up at running /sbin/loader In-Reply-To: <1065750951.14033.16.camel@depfyffer.com> References: <1065750951.14033.16.camel@depfyffer.com> Message-ID: <1065755675.14034.20.camel@depfyffer.com> Figured it out booted with linux apm=off acpi=off pci=noacpi On Thu, 2003-10-09 at 18:55, Kevin d wrote: > When I try to install fedora it locks up at running /sbin/loader. > I have an asus A7N266 MB and an AMD 2400xp cpu. Does anyone have a clue > how I can get fedora installed? The first beta installed fine, all I had > to do was hdparm -d0 /dev/hdc before I started installing packages. > > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From jgeorgeson at lopht.net Fri Oct 10 03:08:26 2003 From: jgeorgeson at lopht.net (Justin Georgeson) Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 22:08:26 -0500 Subject: [FEDORA] Browsing Samba in Nautilus In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3F8622AA.7070100@lopht.net> Shouldn't he have problems with smbclient on the command line if it was a firewall problem? Nautilus just crashes if I give it an smb:// location. Accessing shares from the command line seems to work fine for me though. alton bailey wrote: > check your firewall setting and enable the check box beside eth0 and > also enable firewall and test it again > alton > > >> From: "Christopher A. Williams" >> Reply-To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com >> To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com >> Subject: Re: [FEDORA] Browsing Samba in Nautilus >> Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 14:39:23 -0600 >> >> On Thu, 2003-10-09 at 14:21, Daniel Wittenberg wrote: >> On Thu, 2003-10-09 at 15:17, Christopher A. Williams wrote: >> > > Anyone know how to get around this problem? Whenever I try to use >> > > Nautilus to browse an SMB network, I get the following message: >> > > >> > > Couldn't display "smb:///", because Nautilus cannot contact the SMB >> > > master browser. >> > > Check that an SMB server is running in the local network. >> > > >> > > No matter what I do, I can not browse at the workgroup level via >> > > Nautilus. Oddly enough, I can look specifically at my shares using >> a SMB >> > > URL pointing to my system. >> >> > If you do smbclient -L it should show at the bottom who >> > the master browser is. Anything in your samba logs ? >> > >> >> The command smbclient -L spike-home (the name of my samba server) >> produces the following (after finding that entering no password works): >> >> Password: >> Anonymous login successful >> >> Sharename Type Comment >> --------- ---- ------- >> public Disk Public Share >> IPC$ IPC IPC Service (Home Computer Samba >> Server) >> ADMIN$ IPC IPC Service (Home Computer Samba >> Server) >> PhotoSmart Printer Created by redhat-config-printer 0.6.x >> Anonymous login successful >> >> Server Comment >> --------- ------- >> SPIKE-HOME Home Computer Samba Server >> >> Workgroup Master >> --------- ------- >> SPIKENET SPIKE-HOME >> >> >> This is consistent with nmbd.log, which just has: >> >> [2003/10/09 14:09:51, 0] nmbd/nmbd.c:main(665) >> Netbios nameserver version 3.0.0-15 started. >> Copyright Andrew Tridgell and the Samba Team 1994-2003 >> [2003/10/09 14:15:44, 0] >> nmbd/nmbd_become_lmb.c:become_local_master_stage2(396) >> ***** >> >> Samba name server SPIKE-HOME is now a local master browser for >> workgroup SPIKENET on subnet 192.168.1.100 >> >> ***** >> [2003/10/09 14:15:44, 0] >> nmbd/nmbd_become_lmb.c:become_local_master_stage2(396) >> ***** >> >> Samba name server SPIKE-HOME is now a local master browser for >> workgroup SPIKENET on subnet 172.16.27.1 >> >> ***** >> [2003/10/09 14:15:44, 0] >> nmbd/nmbd_become_lmb.c:become_local_master_stage2(396) >> ***** >> >> So my Samba server is indeed the master browser. I did create samba >> passwords (supposedly) for root and my regular ID, but they don't seem >> to work in this case. >> >> They do work if I want to access a share directly though. Still can't >> browse either. >> >> Curious... >> >> Cheers, >> >> Chris >> >> -- >> ==================================== >> "If you get to thinkin' you're a person of some influence, >> try orderin' someone else's dog around." >> --Cowboy Wisdom >> >> >> >> -- >> fedora-test-list mailing list >> fedora-test-list at redhat.com >> http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Need more e-mail storage? Get 10MB with Hotmail Extra Storage. > http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=features/es > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list -- ; Justin Georgeson ; http://www.lopht.net ; mailto:jgeorgeson at lopht.net ; "Free the mallocs, delete the news" From djoo at redhat.com Fri Oct 10 03:12:59 2003 From: djoo at redhat.com (David Joo) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 13:12:59 +1000 (EST) Subject: CD-RW drag and drop (UDF) In-Reply-To: <1065754877.5533.10.camel@gstpc.earthlink.net> Message-ID: Whether this would answer it properly. But you can do that with Nautilus. Open Nautilus with burn:// then drag a file(s) into that window then you can click burn. Regards, David Joo On Thu, 9 Oct 2003, Gerry Tool wrote: > In windows, I can format a cd-rw disk and then drag and drop files onto > it as though it is a harddrive or floppy. I have not been able to > figure out how to do this in Fedora Core. Am I just dense? Is it not > doable? Can someone point me to a document that describes how to do > this? > > Thanks. > > Gerry > > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > -- ?????? (David SungMin Joo) djoo at redhat.com Red Hat Asia-Pacific Pty. Ltd. Ph : +61 7 3872 4833 Fax: +61 7 3257 4800 Legal: http://apac.redhat.com/disclaimer From gkarabin at pobox.com Fri Oct 10 03:20:33 2003 From: gkarabin at pobox.com (George J Karabin) Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 20:20:33 -0700 Subject: battery app using much cpu In-Reply-To: <1065715127.16902.5.camel@banff.drgutah.com> References: <3F84DC79.6060208@gci.net> <3F84DE85.9070208@togami.com> <1065675115.7532.1.camel@mutt.home.pc> <3F850CE2.4040800@togami.com> <1065715127.16902.5.camel@banff.drgutah.com> Message-ID: <1065756033.8930.51.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2003-10-09 at 08:58, Jared Smith wrote: > On Thu, 2003-10-09 at 01:23, Warren Togami wrote: > > Known bug... > [snip] > > I suspect Gnome's battery applet may be querying the battery info too > > often. On my laptop with 2.4 or 2.6 kernel with ACPI enabled, Gnome's > > battery applet causes constant 15-20% CPU usage with two noticable > > hiccups per second where the mouse jumps because of loss of interactivity. > > > > Some guy in IRC said he knew of a patch to fix that, but I don't > > remember the details. > > For what it's worth, I'm seeing something similar. When I use ACPI on > my Dell Inspiron 8200, the CPU usage spikes up to 80-90% every couple of > seconds. And while it makes pretty little lines on the CPU portion of > the System Monitor applet, it's really annoying... > This could be a BIOS issue. Lots of posts on linux-kernel talking about something like what you're each reporting. Here's the most useful example: http://www.ussg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0202.2/0056.html More recent ones: http://www.ussg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0209.3/0369.html http://www.cs.helsinki.fi/linux/linux-kernel/2003-24/0220.html http://www.ussg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0301.1/2112.html I never noticed a cpu spike on my C610, nor a constant loading - that might be a sign you're seeing something different. But if you have some background job running periodically, it could be getting stalled by the BIOS call, and that could cause your periodic cpu spike. - George From mark at mitre.org Fri Oct 10 03:27:24 2003 From: mark at mitre.org (Mark Heslep) Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 23:27:24 -0400 Subject: redhat-config-xfree86-0.9.9-2 Traceback on a dual head ATI In-Reply-To: References: <200310071200.56270.elwoo@videotron.ca> <3F82F13B.7090702@mitre.org> Message-ID: <3F86271C.3020308@mitre.org> Mike A. Harris wrote: > I have a sample config somewhere on >people.redhat.com in ftp... > >Let me know how you make out fiddling/testing. Be sure to use >4.3.0-37 or later. > > > Tried your XF86Config from people.red... Only change I made was for my Monitor sections for the NEC LCD and Dell P991. No joy. The primary goes blank screen for 10-12 secs and then finally throws up the X cursor frozen w/ no mouse control at low res. Secondary Dell is completely dead w/ no power up. From christoph.wickert at web.de Fri Oct 10 03:34:05 2003 From: christoph.wickert at web.de (Christoph Wickert) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 05:34:05 +0200 Subject: Browsing Samba in Nautilus In-Reply-To: <1065740214.9994.27.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> References: <1065730659.9994.9.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> <3F85D250.3000105@web.de> <1065740214.9994.27.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> Message-ID: <3F8628AD.2040401@web.de> Christopher A. Williams schrieb: >On Thu, 2003-10-09 at 15:25, Christoph Wickert wrote: > > >>I'm not really familiar with samba3, but I think you need "netbios name >>= " somewhere in the globals. I've installed severn and >>samba didn't work, but when I added the netbios name and restarted >>everything worked fine. A bug in default config? >> >>Christoph >> >> > >Gave that a try. No luck... > >I thought that would be a lucky shot if it did work though. Normally >that parameter automatically defaults to the first part of the machine's >IP host name. > Yes, you're right. Then it was something different in the config, but "netbios name" was the first change I noticed when I compared the config created during install and my old RH9 one. The default config did'nt work, altough on startup everything seemed to work, but nmbd was not running. >I'll keep looking... > me too Christoph From redhat-jc at insight.rr.com Fri Oct 10 03:35:45 2003 From: redhat-jc at insight.rr.com (Jim Cornette) Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 23:35:45 -0400 Subject: RHN Error - going through yum directly In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3F862911.7060804@insight.rr.com> Elliot Lee wrote: > On Thu, 9 Oct 2003, Epps, Aaron M. wrote: > > >>I just finished installing all the Fedora Core updates and now I get >>this message when I try to run up2date. Anybody know why I'm getting >>this? > > > Rawhide now has the fedora-release-0.95-1 package from the ongoing 0.95 > release process, so my RHN push included it as well. The best suggestion I > can currently give is to switch to updating via yum. > > -- Elliot > Individualists, unite! > > I used up2date to keep my system current, up to this time. I had to fix my yum.conf file for the short down time. Great job with the additions to run up2date with the yum and apt repositories, as well as the updates on rhn channel. I didn't realize that it took so long for yum to retrieve all of the needed headers. It is still retrieving the info. It has not been used independently, until now. Jim -- Dreams are free, but you get soaked on the connect time. From mark at mitre.org Fri Oct 10 03:54:49 2003 From: mark at mitre.org (Mark Heslep) Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 23:54:49 -0400 Subject: redhat-config-xfree86-0.9.9-2 Traceback on a dual head ATI In-Reply-To: <3F86271C.3020308@mitre.org> References: <200310071200.56270.elwoo@videotron.ca> <3F82F13B.7090702@mitre.org> <3F86271C.3020308@mitre.org> Message-ID: <3F862D89.4080507@mitre.org> Mark Heslep wrote: > Mike A. Harris wrote: > >> I have a sample config somewhere on people.redhat.com in ftp... >> >> Let me know how you make out fiddling/testing. Be sure to use >> 4.3.0-37 or later. >> >> >> > Tried your XF86Config from people.red... Only change I made was for my > Monitor sections for the NEC LCD and Dell P991. No joy. The primary > goes blank screen for 10-12 secs and then finally throws up the X > cursor frozen w/ no mouse control at low res. Secondary Dell is > completely dead w/ no power up. > Some more experiments: 1) Boot with the Dell P991 as the Primary. Secondary is the NEC LCD monitor. Start X w/ a mono head XF86Config (just one device section). The Dell starts X in a fall back 640x480 mode though I configured it for 1280x1024. NEC is blank as expected, but the XFree86 log shows the monitor probe EDID clearly went after the NEC, picked up its data and then applied it to the Dell. 2) Same as above, same mono head config file but unplug the NEC completely this time and the Dell CRT comes up fine in desired resolution. ??? -Mark From mark at mitre.org Fri Oct 10 04:08:13 2003 From: mark at mitre.org (Mark Heslep) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 00:08:13 -0400 Subject: redhat-config-xfree86-0.9.9-2 Traceback on a dual head ATI In-Reply-To: References: <200310071200.56270.elwoo@videotron.ca> <3F82F13B.7090702@mitre.org> Message-ID: <3F8630AD.1030809@mitre.org> >Let me know how you make out fiddling/testing. Be sure to use >4.3.0-37 or later. > > > > Well I hope you'll find Ive done due diligence here before you go popping cards. Yes I'm definately using the same PCI BusID in both sections and yes to Screen 0, Screen 1. Yes Ive been using -37. Setup details: Primary monitor = NEC LCD 1860 connected via DVI. ( I call it the primary becuase its the console boot monitor) Secondary is the Dell P991 connected via VGA/DVI adapter. Im suspecting some issue with the DDC probe(?): The the primary LCD works fine and the Dell CRT powers on but then the front panel sync light starts flashing which Im guessing means its being driven with the wrong sync. The LCD is running straight DVI from card to display but as the Dell is running through a VGA/DVI adapter ( FireGL is dual DVI ) Im wondering if the DDC can work through the adapter. Or does it need to since Im specifying vertical / horizontal refresh in my Monitor section? I have the 'MonitorLayout' line in there because without it I get zilch. Two other things that might be significant: 1) My Intel AGP is a little too new and requires an > options agpgart agp_try_unsupported=1 in modules.conf. I suppose thats relevant only for DRI which is only supported on the fglrx drivers. 2) I notice in the X log below that EDID reports only on Monitor _2_ and calls it the NEC? Anyway on to the details: > $ rpm -q XFree86 > XFree86-4.3.0-37 my XF86Config > # XFree86 4 configuration created by redhat-config-xfree86 > > Section "ServerLayout" > Identifier "Dual" > InputDevice "Keyboard0" "CoreKeyboard" > InputDevice "Mouse0" "CorePointer" > Option "Xinerama" "off" > Screen 0 "Screen0" 0 0 > Screen 1 "Screen1" LeftOf "Screen0" > EndSection > > Section "ServerLayout" > Identifier "Single" > InputDevice "Keyboard0" "CoreKeyboard" > InputDevice "Mouse0" "CorePointer" > Screen 0 "Screen0" 0 0 > EndSection > > Section "Files" > RgbPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/rgb" > FontPath "unix/:7100" > EndSection > > Section "Module" > Load "dbe" > Load "extmod" > Load "fbdevhw" > # Load "glx" > Load "record" > Load "freetype" > Load "type1" > # no dri yet w/ the radeon drivers. Need fglrx > # Load "dri" > EndSection > > # Input devices: keyboard, mouse, sec. mouse --------------------- > Section "InputDevice" > Identifier "Keyboard0" > Driver "keyboard" > Option "XkbRules" "xfree86" > Option "XkbModel" "pc105" > Option "XkbLayout" "us" > EndSection > > Section "InputDevice" > Identifier "Mouse0" > Driver "mouse" > Option "Protocol" "IMPS/2" > Option "Device" "/dev/input/mice" > Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5" > Option "Emulate3Buttons" "no" > EndSection > > > Section "InputDevice" > #----------------------------------------------------------------- > > # If the normal CorePointer mouse is not a USB mouse then > # this input device can be used in AlwaysCore mode to let you > # also use USB mice at the same time. > Identifier "DevInputMice" > Driver "mouse" > Option "Protocol" "IMPS/2" > Option "Device" "/dev/input/mice" > Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5" > Option "Emulate3Buttons" "no" > EndSection > > > # Monitor sections----------------- > Section "Monitor" > Identifier "Monitor0" > VendorName "Monitor Vendor" > ModelName "NEC LCD1860N" > DisplaySize 360 290 > HorizSync 31.0 - 80.0 > VertRefresh 55.0 - 85.0 > Option "dpms" > EndSection > > #Section "Monitor" > # Identifier "Monitor1" > # VendorName "Monitor Vendor" > # ModelName "NEC LCD1860N" > # DisplaySize 360 290 > # HorizSync 31.0 - 80.0 > # VertRefresh 55.0 - 85.0 > # Option "dpms" > #EndSection > > Section "Monitor" > Identifier "Monitor1" > VendorName "Monitor Vendor" > ModelName "Dell P991" > DisplaySize 360 290 > HorizSync 30.0 - 107.0 > VertRefresh 48.0 - 120.0 > Option "dpms" > EndSection > #------------------------------------ > > # Video device driver sections ---------------------------- > #Head 0 > Section "Device" > Identifier "Videocard0" > Driver "radeon" > VendorName "Videocard vendor" > BoardName "ATI FireGL X1" > Screen 0 > BusID "PCI:1:0:0" > > #AGPMode only used w/ DRI # Option "AGPMode" "4" > # Option "AGPFastWrite" "on" ##### must be OFF ##### > # Option "ForcePCIMode" "on" > # Option "DDCMode" "on" > > # MonitorLayout overrides DDC (autodetection) > Option "MonitorLayout" "TMDS, CRT" > EndSection > > #Head 1 > Section "Device" > Identifier "Videocard1" > Driver "radeon" > VendorName "Videocard vendor" > BoardName "ATI FireGL X1" > Screen 1 > BusID "PCI:1:0:0" > # use mem offset so we try the same pci address as Head0 > # MemBase 0xe0000000 > # IOBase 0xfe9e0000 > # Option "DDCMode" "on" > EndSection > > > #--------------------------------------------------------------------- > > # Screen sections to bind driver to monitor and set res. --------------- > Section "Screen" > Identifier "Screen0" > Device "Videocard0" > Monitor "Monitor0" > DefaultDepth 24 > SubSection "Display" > Depth 24 > Modes "1280x1024" "1280x960" "1152x864" "1024x768" > "800x600" "640x480" > EndSubSection > EndSection > > > Section "Screen" > Identifier "Screen1" > Device "Videocard1" > Monitor "Monitor1" > DefaultDepth 24 > SubSection "Display" > Depth 24 > Modes "1280x1024" "1280x960" "1152x864" "1024x768" > "800x600" "640x480" > EndSubSection > EndSection > #------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > #Section "DRI" > # Group 0 > # Mode 0666 > #EndSection Log to follow.... Mark From mark at mitre.org Fri Oct 10 04:14:00 2003 From: mark at mitre.org (Mark Heslep) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 00:14:00 -0400 Subject: redhat-config-xfree86-0.9.9-2 Traceback on a dual head ATI In-Reply-To: References: <200310071200.56270.elwoo@videotron.ca> <3F82F13B.7090702@mitre.org> Message-ID: <3F863208.30908@mitre.org> Mike A. Harris wrote: >Let me know how you make out fiddling/testing. Be sure to use >4.3.0-37 or later. > > > > And now the (edited) log > > XFree86 Version 4.3.0 (Fedora Core 1: 4.3.0-37) > Release Date: 15 August 2003 > X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0, Release 6.6 > Build Operating System: Linux 2.4.21-2.ELsmp i686 [ELF] > Build Date: 07 October 2003 > Build Host: porky.devel.redhat.com > > ... > > Module Loader present > OS Kernel: Linux version 2.4.22-1.2087.nptlsmp > (bhcompile at daffy.perf.redhat.com) (gcc version 3.2.3 20030422 (Red Hat > Linux 3.2.3-6)) #1 SMP Sat Oct 4 09:23:26 EDT 2003 > Markers: (--) probed, (**) from config file, (==) default setting, > (++) from command line, (!!) notice, (II) informational, > (WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown. > (==) Log file: "/var/log/XFree86.1.log", Time: Thu Oct 9 23:07:36 2003 > (++) Using config file: "/home/mark/X/Xconf.radeon_LCD_CRT" > (==) ServerLayout "Dual" > (**) |-->Screen "Screen0" (0) > (**) | |-->Monitor "Monitor0" > (**) | |-->Device "Videocard0" > (**) |-->Screen "Screen1" (1) > (**) | |-->Monitor "Monitor1" > (**) | |-->Device "Videocard1" > (**) |-->Input Device "Keyboard0" > (**) Option "XkbRules" "xfree86" > (**) XKB: rules: "xfree86" > (**) Option "XkbModel" "pc105" > (**) XKB: model: "pc105" > (**) Option "XkbLayout" "us" > (**) XKB: layout: "us" > (==) Keyboard: CustomKeycode disabled > (**) |-->Input Device "Mouse0" > (**) FontPath set to "unix/:7100" > (**) RgbPath set to "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/rgb" > (==) ModulePath set to "/usr/X11R6/lib/modules" > (**) Option "Xinerama" "off" > (--) using VT number 8 > > (WW) Open APM failed (/dev/apm_bios) (No such device) > (II) Module ABI versions: > XFree86 ANSI C Emulation: 0.2 > XFree86 Video Driver: 0.6 > XFree86 XInput driver : 0.4 > XFree86 Server Extension : 0.2 > XFree86 Font Renderer : 0.4 > (II) Loader running on linux > (II) LoadModule: "bitmap" > (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/fonts/libbitmap.a > (II) Module bitmap: vendor="The XFree86 Project" > compiled for 4.3.0, module version = 1.0.0 > Module class: XFree86 Font Renderer > ABI class: XFree86 Font Renderer, version 0.4 > (II) Loading font Bitmap > (II) LoadModule: "pcidata" > (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/libpcidata.a > (II) Module pcidata: vendor="The XFree86 Project" > compiled for 4.3.0, module version = 1.0.0 > ABI class: XFree86 Video Driver, version 0.6 > (II) PCI: Probing config type using method 1 > (II) PCI: Config type is 1 > (II) PCI: stages = 0x03, oldVal1 = 0x00000000, mode1Res1 = 0x80000000 > (II) PCI: PCI scan (all values are in hex) > (.... > (II) PCI: 01:00:0: chip 1002,4e47 card 1002,0172 rev 80 class 03,00,00 > hdr 80 > (II) PCI: 01:00:1: chip 1002,4e67 card 1002,0173 rev 80 class 03,80,00 > hdr 00 > .... > ..... > (II) LoadModule: "dbe" > (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libdbe.a > (II) Module dbe: vendor="The XFree86 Project" > compiled for 4.3.0, module version = 1.0.0 > Module class: XFree86 Server Extension > ABI class: XFree86 Server Extension, version 0.2 > (II) Loading extension DOUBLE-BUFFER > (II) LoadModule: "extmod" > (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libextmod.a > (II) Module extmod: vendor="The XFree86 Project" > compiled for 4.3.0, module version = 1.0.0 > Module class: XFree86 Server Extension > ABI class: XFree86 Server Extension, version 0.2 > (II) Loading extension SHAPE > (...... > (II) LoadModule: "fbdevhw" > (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/linux/libfbdevhw.a > ...... > (II) LoadModule: "radeon" > (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers/radeon_drv.o > (II) Module radeon: vendor="The XFree86 Project" > compiled for 4.3.0, module version = 4.0.1 > Module class: XFree86 Video Driver > ABI class: XFree86 Video Driver, version 0.6 > (II) LoadModule: "ati" > (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers/ati_drv.o > (II) Module ati: vendor="The XFree86 Project" > compiled for 4.3.0, module version = 6.4.18 > Module class: XFree86 Video Driver > ABI class: XFree86 Video Driver, version 0.6 > (II) LoadModule: "mouse" > (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/input/mouse_drv.o > (II) Module mouse: vendor="The XFree86 Project" > compiled for 4.3.0, module version = 1.0.0 > Module class: XFree86 XInput Driver > ABI class: XFree86 XInput driver, version 0.4 > (II) ATI: ATI driver (version 6.4.18) for chipsets: ati, ativga > ......... > ........... > (II) Primary Device is: PCI 01:00:0 > (WW) RADEON: No matching Device section for instance (BusID PCI:1:0:1) > found > (--) Chipset ATI FireGL X1 NG (AGP) found > (--) Chipset ATI FireGL X1 NG (AGP) found > (II) resource ranges after xf86ClaimFixedResources() call: > [0] -1 0 0xffe00000 - 0xffffffff (0x200000) MX[B](B) > [1] -1 0 0x00100000 - 0x3fffffff (0x3ff00000) MX[B]E(B) > [2] -1 0 0x000f0000 - 0x000fffff (0x10000) MX[B] > [3] -1 0 0x000c0000 - 0x000effff (0x30000) MX[B] > [4] -1 0 0x00000000 - 0x0009ffff (0xa0000) MX[B] > [5] -1 0 0xfdff8000 - 0xfdffbfff (0x4000) MX[B] > [6] -1 0 0xfdfff800 - 0xfdffffff (0x800) MX[B] > [7] -1 0 0xf0000000 - 0xf0ffffff (0x1000000) MX[B] > [8] -1 0 0xfe7ffc00 - 0xfe7ffdff (0x200) MX[B] > [9] -1 0 0xfe1fe000 - 0xfe1fefff (0x1000) MX[B] > [10] -1 0 0xfe1ff000 - 0xfe1fffff (0x1000) MX[B] > [11] -1 0 0xfeb20000 - 0xfeb200ff (0x100) MX[B] > [12] -1 0 0xfeb20400 - 0xfeb205ff (0x200) MX[B] > [13] -1 0 0x40000000 - 0x400003ff (0x400) MX[B] > [14] -1 0 0xfeb20800 - 0xfeb20bff (0x400) MX[B] > [15] -1 0 0xd0000000 - 0xcfffffff (0x0) MX[B]O > [16] -1 0 0xc1000000 - 0xc101ffff (0x20000) MX[B](B) > [17] -1 0 0xfe9f0000 - 0xfe9fffff (0x10000) MX[B](B) > [18] -1 0 0xe8000000 - 0xefffffff (0x8000000) MX[B](B) > [19] -1 0 0xfe9e0000 - 0xfe9effff (0x10000) MX[B](B) > [20] -1 0 0xe0000000 - 0xe7ffffff (0x8000000) MX[B](B) > [21] -1 0 0x0000ffff - 0x0000ffff (0x1) IX[B] > [22] -1 0 0x00000000 - 0x000000ff (0x100) IX[B] > [23] -1 0 0x0000cc00 - 0x0000ccff (0x100) IX[B] > [24] -1 0 0x0000dcc0 - 0x0000dcff (0x40) IX[B] > [25] -1 0 0x0000bc40 - 0x0000bc7f (0x40) IX[B] > [26] -1 0 0x0000b800 - 0x0000b8ff (0x100) IX[B] > [27] -1 0 0x0000bc80 - 0x0000bc9f (0x20) IX[B] > [28] -1 0 0x0000ffa0 - 0x0000ffaf (0x10) IX[B] > [29] -1 0 0x0000ff40 - 0x0000ff5f (0x20) IX[B] > [30] -1 0 0x0000ff60 - 0x0000ff7f (0x20) IX[B] > [31] -1 0 0x0000ff80 - 0x0000ff9f (0x20) IX[B] > [32] -1 0 0x0000ec00 - 0x0000ecff (0x100) IX[B](B) > (II) Loading sub module "radeon" > (II) LoadModule: "radeon" > (II) Reloading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers/radeon_drv.o > (II) Loading sub module "radeon" > (II) LoadModule: "radeon" > (II) Reloading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers/radeon_drv.o > (II) resource ranges after probing: > [0] -1 0 0xffe00000 - 0xffffffff (0x200000) MX[B](B) > [1] -1 0 0x00100000 - 0x3fffffff (0x3ff00000) MX[B]E(B) > [2] -1 0 0x000f0000 - 0x000fffff (0x10000) MX[B] > [3] -1 0 0x000c0000 - 0x000effff (0x30000) MX[B] > [4] -1 0 0x00000000 - 0x0009ffff (0xa0000) MX[B] > [5] -1 0 0xfdff8000 - 0xfdffbfff (0x4000) MX[B] > [6] -1 0 0xfdfff800 - 0xfdffffff (0x800) MX[B] > [7] -1 0 0xf0000000 - 0xf0ffffff (0x1000000) MX[B] > [8] -1 0 0xfe7ffc00 - 0xfe7ffdff (0x200) MX[B] > [9] -1 0 0xfe1fe000 - 0xfe1fefff (0x1000) MX[B] > [10] -1 0 0xfe1ff000 - 0xfe1fffff (0x1000) MX[B] > [11] -1 0 0xfeb20000 - 0xfeb200ff (0x100) MX[B] > [12] -1 0 0xfeb20400 - 0xfeb205ff (0x200) MX[B] > [13] -1 0 0x40000000 - 0x400003ff (0x400) MX[B] > [14] -1 0 0xfeb20800 - 0xfeb20bff (0x400) MX[B] > [15] -1 0 0xd0000000 - 0xcfffffff (0x0) MX[B]O > [16] -1 0 0xc1000000 - 0xc101ffff (0x20000) MX[B](B) > [17] -1 0 0xfe9f0000 - 0xfe9fffff (0x10000) MX[B](B) > [18] -1 0 0xe8000000 - 0xefffffff (0x8000000) MX[B](B) > [19] -1 0 0xfe9e0000 - 0xfe9effff (0x10000) MX[B](B) > [20] -1 0 0xe0000000 - 0xe7ffffff (0x8000000) MX[B](B) > [21] 0 0 0x000a0000 - 0x000affff (0x10000) MS[B] > [22] 0 0 0x000b0000 - 0x000b7fff (0x8000) MS[B] > [23] 0 0 0x000b8000 - 0x000bffff (0x8000) MS[B] > [24] -1 0 0x0000ffff - 0x0000ffff (0x1) IX[B] > [25] -1 0 0x00000000 - 0x000000ff (0x100) IX[B] > [26] -1 0 0x0000cc00 - 0x0000ccff (0x100) IX[B] > [27] -1 0 0x0000dcc0 - 0x0000dcff (0x40) IX[B] > [28] -1 0 0x0000bc40 - 0x0000bc7f (0x40) IX[B] > [29] -1 0 0x0000b800 - 0x0000b8ff (0x100) IX[B] > [30] -1 0 0x0000bc80 - 0x0000bc9f (0x20) IX[B] > [31] -1 0 0x0000ffa0 - 0x0000ffaf (0x10) IX[B] > [32] -1 0 0x0000ff40 - 0x0000ff5f (0x20) IX[B] > [33] -1 0 0x0000ff60 - 0x0000ff7f (0x20) IX[B] > [34] -1 0 0x0000ff80 - 0x0000ff9f (0x20) IX[B] > [35] -1 0 0x0000ec00 - 0x0000ecff (0x100) IX[B](B) > [36] 0 0 0x000003b0 - 0x000003bb (0xc) IS[B] > [37] 0 0 0x000003c0 - 0x000003df (0x20) IS[B] > (II) Setting vga for screen 0. > (II) Setting vga for screen 1. > (II) Loading sub module "vgahw" > (II) LoadModule: "vgahw" > (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/libvgahw.a > (II) Module vgahw: vendor="The XFree86 Project" > compiled for 4.3.0, module version = 0.1.0 > ABI class: XFree86 Video Driver, version 0.6 > (II) RADEON(0): vgaHWGetIOBase: hwp->IOBase is 0x03d0, hwp->PIOOffset > is 0x0000 > (II) RADEON(0): PCI bus 1 card 0 func 0 > (**) RADEON(0): Depth 24, (--) framebuffer bpp 32 > (II) RADEON(0): Pixel depth = 24 bits stored in 4 bytes (32 bpp pixmaps) > (==) RADEON(0): Default visual is TrueColor > (**) RADEON(0): Option "MonitorLayout" "TMDS, CRT" > (==) RADEON(0): RGB weight 888 > (II) RADEON(0): Using 8 bits per RGB (8 bit DAC) > (II) Loading sub module "int10" > (II) LoadModule: "int10" > (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/linux/libint10.a > (II) Module int10: vendor="The XFree86 Project" > compiled for 4.3.0, module version = 1.0.0 > ABI class: XFree86 Video Driver, version 0.6 > (II) RADEON(0): initializing int10 > (II) RADEON(0): Primary V_BIOS segment is: 0xc000 > (--) RADEON(0): Chipset: "ATI FireGL X1 NG (AGP)" (ChipID = 0x4e47) > (--) RADEON(0): Linear framebuffer at 0xe8000000 > (--) RADEON(0): MMIO registers at 0xfe9f0000 > (--) RADEON(0): BIOS at 0xc1000000 > (--) RADEON(0): VideoRAM: 131072 kByte (64-bit SDR SDRAM) > (II) RADEON(0): AGP card detected > (II) Loading sub module "ddc" > (II) LoadModule: "ddc" > (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/libddc.a > (II) Module ddc: vendor="The XFree86 Project" > compiled for 4.3.0, module version = 1.0.0 > ABI class: XFree86 Video Driver, version 0.6 > (II) Loading sub module "i2c" > (II) LoadModule: "i2c" > (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/libi2c.a > (II) Module i2c: vendor="The XFree86 Project" > compiled for 4.3.0, module version = 1.2.0 > ABI class: XFree86 Video Driver, version 0.6 > (II) RADEON(0): I2C bus "DDC" initialized. > (II) RADEON(0): I2C device "DDC:ddc2" registered at address 0xA0. > (II) RADEON(0): I2C device "DDC:ddc2" removed. > (II) RADEON(0): I2C device "DDC:ddc2" registered at address 0xA0. > (II) RADEON(0): I2C device "DDC:ddc2" removed. > (II) RADEON(0): I2C device "DDC:ddc2" registered at address 0xA0. > (II) RADEON(0): I2C device "DDC:ddc2" removed. > (II) RADEON(0): DDC Type: 2, Detected Type: 0 > (II) RADEON(0): DDC Type: 4, Detected Type: 0 > (II) RADEON(0): I2C device "DDC:ddc2" registered at address 0xA0. > (II) RADEON(0): I2C device "DDC:ddc2" removed. > (II) RADEON(0): I2C device "DDC:ddc2" registered at address 0xA0. > (II) RADEON(0): I2C device "DDC:ddc2" removed. > (II) RADEON(0): DDC Type: 3, Detected Type: 3 > (II) RADEON(0): Displays Configured by MonitorLayout: > Monitor1--Type 3, Monitor2--Type 1 > > (II) RADEON(0): Monitor2 EDID data --------------------------- > (II) RADEON(0): Manufacturer: NEC Model: 65e9 Serial#: 47449 > (II) RADEON(0): Year: 2003 Week: 28 > (II) RADEON(0): EDID Version: 1.3 > (II) RADEON(0): Digital Display Input > (II) RADEON(0): Max H-Image Size [cm]: horiz.: 36 vert.: 29 > (II) RADEON(0): Gamma: 2.20 > (II) RADEON(0): DPMS capabilities: StandBy Suspend Off; RGB/Color Display > (II) RADEON(0): Default color space is primary color space > (II) RADEON(0): First detailed timing is preferred mode > (II) RADEON(0): redX: 0.633 redY: 0.340 greenX: 0.295 greenY: 0.600 > (II) RADEON(0): blueX: 0.141 blueY: 0.096 whiteX: 0.313 whiteY: 0.329 > (II) RADEON(0): Supported VESA Video Modes: > (II) RADEON(0): 720x400 at 70Hz > (II) RADEON(0): 640x480 at 60Hz > (II) RADEON(0): 640x480 at 67Hz > (II) RADEON(0): 640x480 at 72Hz > (II) RADEON(0): 640x480 at 75Hz > (II) RADEON(0): 800x600 at 56Hz > (II) RADEON(0): 800x600 at 60Hz > (II) RADEON(0): 800x600 at 72Hz > (II) RADEON(0): 800x600 at 75Hz > (II) RADEON(0): 832x624 at 75Hz > (II) RADEON(0): 1024x768 at 60Hz > (II) RADEON(0): 1024x768 at 70Hz > (II) RADEON(0): 1024x768 at 75Hz > (II) RADEON(0): 1152x870 at 75Hz > (II) RADEON(0): Manufacturer's mask: 0 > (II) RADEON(0): Supported Future Video Modes: > (II) RADEON(0): #0: hsize: 640 vsize 480 refresh: 85 vid: 22833 > (II) RADEON(0): #1: hsize: 800 vsize 600 refresh: 85 vid: 22853 > (II) RADEON(0): #2: hsize: 1024 vsize 768 refresh: 85 vid: 22881 > (II) RADEON(0): #3: hsize: 1280 vsize 1024 refresh: 60 vid: 32897 > (II) RADEON(0): Supported additional Video Mode: > (II) RADEON(0): clock: 108.0 MHz Image Size: 359 x 287 mm > (II) RADEON(0): h_active: 1280 h_sync: 1328 h_sync_end 1440 > h_blank_end 1688 h_border: 0 > (II) RADEON(0): v_active: 1024 v_sync: 1025 v_sync_end 1028 > v_blanking: 1066 v_border: 0 > (II) RADEON(0): Ranges: V min: 55 V max: 85 Hz, H min: 31 H max: 80 > kHz, PixClock max 140 MHz > (II) RADEON(0): Monitor name: NEC LCD1860NX > (II) RADEON(0): Serial No: 37147449YA > (II) RADEON(0): End of Monitor2 EDID data -------------------- > (II) RADEON(0): > (II) RADEON(0): Primary Display == Type 3 > (II) RADEON(0): PLL parameters: rf=2700 rd=12 min=20000 max=40000; > xclk=31000 > (==) RADEON(0): Using gamma correction (1.0, 1.0, 1.0) > (II) RADEON(0): Validating modes on Primary head --------- > (II) RADEON(0): Total number of valid DDC mode(s) found: 0 > (II) RADEON(0): Monitor0: Using hsync range of 31.00-80.00 kHz > (II) RADEON(0): Monitor0: Using vrefresh range of 55.00-85.00 Hz > (II) RADEON(0): Clock range: 20.00 to 400.00 MHz > (II) RADEON(0): Not using default mode "320x175" (bad mode > clock/interlace/doublescan) > ........................... > (**) RADEON(0): *Default mode "1280x1024": 135.0 MHz, 80.0 kHz, 75.0 Hz > (II) RADEON(0): Modeline "1280x1024" 135.00 1280 1296 1440 1688 > 1024 1025 1028 1066 +hsync +vsync > (**) RADEON(0): *Default mode "1280x960": 108.0 MHz, 60.0 kHz, 60.0 Hz > (II) RADEON(0): Modeline "1280x960" 108.00 1280 1376 1488 1800 960 > 961 964 1000 +hsync +vsync > (**) RADEON(0): *Default mode "1152x864": 121.5 MHz, 77.5 kHz, 85.1 Hz > (II) RADEON(0): Modeline "1152x864" 121.50 1152 1216 1344 1568 864 > 865 868 911 +hsync -vsync > (**) RADEON(0): *Default mode "1024x768": 94.5 MHz, 68.7 kHz, 85.0 Hz > (II) RADEON(0): Modeline "1024x768" 94.50 1024 1072 1168 1376 768 > 769 772 808 +hsync +vsync > (**) RADEON(0): *Default mode "800x600": 56.3 MHz, 53.7 kHz, 85.1 Hz > (II) RADEON(0): Modeline "800x600" 56.30 800 832 896 1048 600 601 > 604 631 +hsync +vsync > (**) RADEON(0): *Default mode "640x480": 36.0 MHz, 43.3 kHz, 85.0 Hz > (II) RADEON(0): Modeline "640x480" 36.00 640 696 752 832 480 481 > 484 509 -hsync -vsync > (**) RADEON(0): Default mode "1600x1200": 162.0 MHz, 75.0 kHz, 60.0 Hz > (II) RADEON(0): Modeline "1600x1200" 162.00 1600 1664 1856 2160 > 1200 1201 1204 1250 +hsync +vsync > (**) RADEON(0): Default mode "1400x1050": 122.0 MHz, 64.9 kHz, 60.0 Hz > (II) RADEON(0): Modeline "1400x1050" 122.00 1400 1488 1640 1880 > 1050 1052 1064 1082 +hsync +vsync > (**) RADEON(0): Default mode "1280x1024": 108.0 MHz, 64.0 kHz, 60.0 Hz > (II) RADEON(0): Modeline "1280x1024" 108.00 1280 1328 1440 1688 > 1024 1025 1028 1066 +hsync +vsync > (**) RADEON(0): Default mode "1152x864": 108.0 MHz, 67.5 kHz, 75.0 Hz > (II) RADEON(0): Modeline "1152x864" 108.00 1152 1216 1344 1600 864 > 865 868 900 +hsync +vsync > (**) RADEON(0): Default mode "1152x768": 65.0 MHz, 44.2 kHz, 54.8 Hz > (II) RADEON(0): Modeline "1152x768" 65.00 1152 1178 1314 1472 768 > 771 777 806 +hsync +vsync > (**) RADEON(0): Default mode "1024x768": 78.8 MHz, 60.1 kHz, 75.1 Hz > (II) RADEON(0): Modeline "1024x768" 78.80 1024 1040 1136 1312 768 > 769 772 800 +hsync +vsync > (**) RADEON(0): Default mode "1024x768": 75.0 MHz, 56.5 kHz, 70.1 Hz > (II) RADEON(0): Modeline "1024x768" 75.00 1024 1048 1184 1328 768 > 771 777 806 -hsync -vsync > (**) RADEON(0): Default mode "1024x768": 65.0 MHz, 48.4 kHz, 60.0 Hz > (II) RADEON(0): Modeline "1024x768" 65.00 1024 1048 1184 1344 768 > 771 777 806 -hsync -vsync > (**) RADEON(0): Default mode "832x624": 57.3 MHz, 49.7 kHz, 74.6 Hz > (II) RADEON(0): Modeline "832x624" 57.28 832 864 928 1152 624 625 > 628 667 -hsync -vsync > (**) RADEON(0): Default mode "800x600": 49.5 MHz, 46.9 kHz, 75.0 Hz > (II) RADEON(0): Modeline "800x600" 49.50 800 816 896 1056 600 601 > 604 625 +hsync +vsync > (**) RADEON(0): Default mode "800x600": 50.0 MHz, 48.1 kHz, 72.2 Hz > (II) RADEON(0): Modeline "800x600" 50.00 800 856 976 1040 600 637 > 643 666 +hsync +vsync > (**) RADEON(0): Default mode "800x600": 40.0 MHz, 37.9 kHz, 60.3 Hz > (II) RADEON(0): Modeline "800x600" 40.00 800 840 968 1056 600 601 > 605 628 +hsync +vsync > (**) RADEON(0): Default mode "800x600": 36.0 MHz, 35.2 kHz, 56.2 Hz > (II) RADEON(0): Modeline "800x600" 36.00 800 824 896 1024 600 601 > 603 625 +hsync +vsync > (**) RADEON(0): Default mode "640x480": 31.5 MHz, 37.5 kHz, 75.0 Hz > (II) RADEON(0): Modeline "640x480" 31.50 640 656 720 840 480 481 > 484 500 -hsync -vsync > (**) RADEON(0): Default mode "640x480": 31.5 MHz, 37.9 kHz, 72.8 Hz > (II) RADEON(0): Modeline "640x480" 31.50 640 664 704 832 480 489 > 491 520 -hsync -vsync > (**) RADEON(0): Default mode "640x480": 25.2 MHz, 31.5 kHz, 60.0 Hz > (II) RADEON(0): Modeline "640x480" 25.20 640 656 752 800 480 490 > 492 525 -hsync -vsync > (**) RADEON(0): Default mode "720x400": 35.5 MHz, 37.9 kHz, 85.0 Hz > (II) RADEON(0): Modeline "720x400" 35.50 720 756 828 936 400 401 > 404 446 -hsync +vsync > (**) RADEON(0): Default mode "640x400": 31.5 MHz, 37.9 kHz, 85.1 Hz > (II) RADEON(0): Modeline "640x400" 31.50 640 672 736 832 400 401 > 404 445 -hsync +vsync > (**) RADEON(0): Default mode "640x350": 31.5 MHz, 37.9 kHz, 85.1 Hz > (II) RADEON(0): Modeline "640x350" 31.50 640 672 736 832 350 382 > 385 445 +hsync -vsync > (**) RADEON(0): Display dimensions: (360, 290) mm > (**) RADEON(0): DPI set to (90, 89) > (II) Loading sub module "fb" > (II) LoadModule: "fb" > (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/libfb.a > (II) Module fb: vendor="The XFree86 Project" > compiled for 4.3.0, module version = 1.0.0 > ABI class: XFree86 ANSI C Emulation, version 0.2 > (II) Loading sub module "ramdac" > (II) LoadModule: "ramdac" > (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/libramdac.a > (II) Module ramdac: vendor="The XFree86 Project" > compiled for 4.3.0, module version = 0.1.0 > ABI class: XFree86 Video Driver, version 0.6 > (II) Loading sub module "xaa" > (II) LoadModule: "xaa" > (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/libxaa.a > (II) Module xaa: vendor="The XFree86 Project" > compiled for 4.3.0, module version = 1.1.0 > ABI class: XFree86 Video Driver, version 0.6 > (II) RADEON(0): AGP Fast Write disabled by default > (II) RADEON(0): Depth moves disabled by default > (II) Loading sub module "shadowfb" > (II) LoadModule: "shadowfb" > (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/libshadowfb.a > (II) Module shadowfb: vendor="The XFree86 Project" > compiled for 4.3.0, module version = 1.0.0 > ABI class: XFree86 ANSI C Emulation, version 0.2 > (II) RADEON(0): Page flipping disabled > (!!) RADEON(0): For information on using the multimedia capabilities > of this adapter, please see http://gatos.sf.net. > (II) Loading sub module "vgahw" > (II) LoadModule: "vgahw" > (II) Reloading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/libvgahw.a > (II) RADEON(1): vgaHWGetIOBase: hwp->IOBase is 0x03d0, hwp->PIOOffset > is 0x0000 > (II) RADEON(1): PCI bus 1 card 0 func 0 > (**) RADEON(1): Depth 24, (--) framebuffer bpp 32 > (II) RADEON(1): Pixel depth = 24 bits stored in 4 bytes (32 bpp pixmaps) > (==) RADEON(1): Default visual is TrueColor > (==) RADEON(1): RGB weight 888 > (II) RADEON(1): Using 8 bits per RGB (8 bit DAC) > (II) Loading sub module "int10" > (II) LoadModule: "int10" > (II) Reloading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/linux/libint10.a > (II) RADEON(1): initializing int10 > (II) RADEON(0): Primary V_BIOS segment is: 0xc000 > (--) RADEON(1): Chipset: "ATI FireGL X1 NG (AGP)" (ChipID = 0x4e47) > (--) RADEON(1): Linear framebuffer at 0xe8000000 > (--) RADEON(1): MMIO registers at 0xfe9f0000 > (--) RADEON(1): BIOS at 0xc1000000 > (--) RADEON(1): VideoRAM: 65536 kByte (64-bit SDR SDRAM) > (II) RADEON(1): AGP card detected > (II) Loading sub module "ddc" > (II) LoadModule: "ddc" > (II) Reloading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/libddc.a > (II) Loading sub module "i2c" > (II) LoadModule: "i2c" > (II) Reloading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/libi2c.a > (II) RADEON(1): I2C bus "DDC" initialized. > (II) RADEON(1): Secondary Display == Type 1 > (II) RADEON(1): PLL parameters: rf=2700 rd=12 min=20000 max=40000; > xclk=31000 > (==) RADEON(1): Using gamma correction (1.0, 1.0, 1.0) > (II) RADEON(1): Validating modes on Secondary head --------- > (WW) RADEON(1): config file hsync range 30-107kHz not within DDC hsync > range 31-80kHz > (WW) RADEON(1): config file vrefresh range 48-120Hz not within DDC > vrefresh range 55-85Hz > (II) RADEON(1): Monitor1: Using hsync range of 30.00-107.00 kHz > (II) RADEON(1): Monitor1: Using vrefresh range of 48.00-120.00 Hz > (II) RADEON(1): Clock range: 20.00 to 400.00 MHz > (II) RADEON(1): Not using default mode "320x175" (bad mode > clock/interlace/doublescan) > (II) RADEON(1): Not using default mode "320x200" (bad mode > clock/interlace/doublescan) > (II) RADEON(1): Not using default mode "360x200" (bad mode > clock/interlace/doublescan) > (II) RADEON(1): Not using default mode "320x240" (bad mode > clock/interlace/doublescan) > (II) RADEON(1): Not using default mode "320x240" (bad mode > clock/interlace/doublescan) > (II) RADEON(1): Not using default mode "320x240" (bad mode > clock/interlace/doublescan) > (II) RADEON(1): Not using default mode "320x240" (bad mode > clock/interlace/doublescan) > (II) RADEON(1): Not using default mode "400x300" (bad mode > clock/interlace/doublescan) > (II) RADEON(1): Not using default mode "512x384" (bad mode > clock/interlace/doublescan) > (II) RADEON(1): Not using default mode "512x384" (bad mode > clock/interlace/doublescan) > ............... > ..............................al size) > (--) RADEON(1): Virtual size is 1280x1024 (pitch 1280) > (**) RADEON(1): *Default mode "1280x1024": 157.5 MHz, 91.1 kHz, 85.0 Hz > (II) RADEON(1): Modeline "1280x1024" 157.50 1280 1344 1504 1728 > 1024 1025 1028 1072 +hsync +vsync > (**) RADEON(1): *Default mode "1280x960": 148.5 MHz, 85.9 kHz, 85.0 Hz > (II) RADEON(1): Modeline "1280x960" 148.50 1280 1344 1504 1728 960 > 961 964 1011 +hsync +vsync > (**) RADEON(1): *Default mode "1152x864": 121.5 MHz, 77.5 kHz, 85.1 Hz > (II) RADEON(1): Modeline "1152x864" 121.50 1152 1216 1344 1568 864 > 865 868 911 +hsync -vsync > (**) RADEON(1): *Default mode "1024x768": 94.5 MHz, 68.7 kHz, 85.0 Hz > (II) RADEON(1): Modeline "1024x768" 94.50 1024 1072 1168 1376 768 > 769 772 808 +hsync +vsync > (**) RADEON(1): *Default mode "800x600": 56.3 MHz, 53.7 kHz, 85.1 Hz > (II) RADEON(1): Modeline "800x600" 56.30 800 832 896 1048 600 601 > 604 631 +hsync +vsync > (**) RADEON(1): *Default mode "640x480": 36.0 MHz, 43.3 kHz, 85.0 Hz > (II) RADEON(1): Modeline "640x480" 36.00 640 696 752 832 480 481 > 484 509 -hsync -vsync > (**) RADEON(1): Default mode "1280x1024": 135.0 MHz, 80.0 kHz, 75.0 Hz > (II) RADEON(1): Modeline "1280x1024" 135.00 1280 1296 1440 1688 > 1024 1025 1028 1066 +hsync +vsync > (**) RADEON(1): Default mode "1280x1024": 108.0 MHz, 64.0 kHz, 60.0 Hz > (II) RADEON(1): Modeline "1280x1024" 108.00 1280 1328 1440 1688 > 1024 1025 1028 1066 +hsync +vsync > (**) RADEON(1): Default mode "1280x960": 108.0 MHz, 60.0 kHz, 60.0 Hz > (II) RADEON(1): Modeline "1280x960" 108.00 1280 1376 1488 1800 960 > 961 964 1000 +hsync +vsync > (**) RADEON(1): Default mode "1152x864": 108.0 MHz, 67.5 kHz, 75.0 Hz > (II) RADEON(1): Modeline "1152x864" 108.00 1152 1216 1344 1600 864 > 865 868 900 +hsync +vsync > (**) RADEON(1): Default mode "1152x768": 65.0 MHz, 44.2 kHz, 54.8 Hz > (II) RADEON(1): Modeline "1152x768" 65.00 1152 1178 1314 1472 768 > 771 777 806 +hsync +vsync > (**) RADEON(1): Default mode "1024x768": 78.8 MHz, 60.1 kHz, 75.1 Hz > (II) RADEON(1): Modeline "1024x768" 78.80 1024 1040 1136 1312 768 > 769 772 800 +hsync +vsync > (**) RADEON(1): Default mode "1024x768": 75.0 MHz, 56.5 kHz, 70.1 Hz > (II) RADEON(1): Modeline "1024x768" 75.00 1024 1048 1184 1328 768 > 771 777 806 -hsync -vsync > (**) RADEON(1): Default mode "1024x768": 65.0 MHz, 48.4 kHz, 60.0 Hz > (II) RADEON(1): Modeline "1024x768" 65.00 1024 1048 1184 1344 768 > 771 777 806 -hsync -vsync > (**) RADEON(1): Default mode "1024x768": 44.9 MHz, 35.5 kHz, 87.1 Hz (I) > (II) RADEON(1): Modeline "1024x768" 44.90 1024 1032 1208 1264 768 > 768 776 817 interlace +hsync +vsync > (**) RADEON(1): Default mode "832x624": 57.3 MHz, 49.7 kHz, 74.6 Hz > (II) RADEON(1): Modeline "832x624" 57.28 832 864 928 1152 624 625 > 628 667 -hsync -vsync > (**) RADEON(1): Default mode "800x600": 49.5 MHz, 46.9 kHz, 75.0 Hz > (II) RADEON(1): Modeline "800x600" 49.50 800 816 896 1056 600 601 > 604 625 +hsync +vsync > (**) RADEON(1): Default mode "800x600": 50.0 MHz, 48.1 kHz, 72.2 Hz > (II) RADEON(1): Modeline "800x600" 50.00 800 856 976 1040 600 637 > 643 666 +hsync +vsync > (**) RADEON(1): Default mode "800x600": 40.0 MHz, 37.9 kHz, 60.3 Hz > (II) RADEON(1): Modeline "800x600" 40.00 800 840 968 1056 600 601 > 605 628 +hsync +vsync > (**) RADEON(1): Default mode "800x600": 36.0 MHz, 35.2 kHz, 56.2 Hz > (II) RADEON(1): Modeline "800x600" 36.00 800 824 896 1024 600 601 > 603 625 +hsync +vsync > (**) RADEON(1): Default mode "640x480": 31.5 MHz, 37.5 kHz, 75.0 Hz > (II) RADEON(1): Modeline "640x480" 31.50 640 656 720 840 480 481 > 484 500 -hsync -vsync > (**) RADEON(1): Default mode "640x480": 31.5 MHz, 37.9 kHz, 72.8 Hz > (II) RADEON(1): Modeline "640x480" 31.50 640 664 704 832 480 489 > 491 520 -hsync -vsync > (**) RADEON(1): Default mode "640x480": 25.2 MHz, 31.5 kHz, 60.0 Hz > (II) RADEON(1): Modeline "640x480" 25.20 640 656 752 800 480 490 > 492 525 -hsync -vsync > (**) RADEON(1): Default mode "720x400": 35.5 MHz, 37.9 kHz, 85.0 Hz > (II) RADEON(1): Modeline "720x400" 35.50 720 756 828 936 400 401 > 404 446 -hsync +vsync > (**) RADEON(1): Default mode "640x400": 31.5 MHz, 37.9 kHz, 85.1 Hz > (II) RADEON(1): Modeline "640x400" 31.50 640 672 736 832 400 401 > 404 445 -hsync +vsync > (**) RADEON(1): Default mode "640x350": 31.5 MHz, 37.9 kHz, 85.1 Hz > (II) RADEON(1): Modeline "640x350" 31.50 640 672 736 832 350 382 > 385 445 +hsync -vsync > (**) RADEON(1): Default mode "512x384": 22.4 MHz, 35.5 kHz, 87.1 Hz (D) > (II) RADEON(1): Modeline "512x384" 22.45 512 516 604 632 384 384 > 388 409 interlace doublescan +hsync +vsync > (**) RADEON(1): Default mode "416x312": 28.6 MHz, 49.7 kHz, 74.7 Hz (D) > (II) RADEON(1): Modeline "416x312" 28.64 416 432 464 576 312 312 > 314 333 doublescan -hsync -vsync > (**) RADEON(1): Default mode "400x300": 28.1 MHz, 53.7 kHz, 85.3 Hz (D) > (II) RADEON(1): Modeline "400x300" 28.15 400 416 448 524 300 300 > 302 315 doublescan +hsync +vsync > (**) RADEON(1): Default mode "400x300": 24.8 MHz, 46.9 kHz, 75.1 Hz (D) > (II) RADEON(1): Modeline "400x300" 24.75 400 408 448 528 300 300 > 302 312 doublescan +hsync +vsync > (**) RADEON(1): Default mode "400x300": 25.0 MHz, 48.1 kHz, 72.2 Hz (D) > (II) RADEON(1): Modeline "400x300" 25.00 400 428 488 520 300 318 > 321 333 doublescan +hsync +vsync > (**) RADEON(1): Default mode "400x300": 20.0 MHz, 37.9 kHz, 60.3 Hz (D) > (II) RADEON(1): Modeline "400x300" 20.00 400 420 484 528 300 300 > 302 314 doublescan +hsync +vsync > (**) RADEON(1): Display dimensions: (360, 290) mm > (**) RADEON(1): DPI set to (90, 89) > (II) Loading sub module "fb" > (II) LoadModule: "fb" > (II) Reloading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/libfb.a > (II) Loading sub module "ramdac" > (II) LoadModule: "ramdac" > (II) Reloading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/libramdac.a > (II) Loading sub module "xaa" > (II) LoadModule: "xaa" > (II) Reloading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/libxaa.a > (II) RADEON(1): AGP Fast Write disabled by default > (II) RADEON(1): Depth moves disabled by default > (II) Loading sub module "shadowfb" > (II) LoadModule: "shadowfb" > (II) Reloading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/libshadowfb.a > (II) RADEON(1): Page flipping disabled > (!!) RADEON(1): For information on using the multimedia capabilities > of this adapter, please see http://gatos.sf.net. > (--) Depth 24 pixmap format is 32 bpp > (II) do I need RAC? Yes, I do. > (II) LoadModule: "rac" > (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/librac.a > (II) Module rac: vendor="The XFree86 Project" > compiled for 4.3.0, module version = 1.0.0 > ABI class: XFree86 Video Driver, version 0.6 > (II) resource ranges after preInit: > [0] 0 0 0xfe9f0000 - 0xfe9fffff (0x10000) MX[B] > [1] 0 0 0xe8000000 - 0xefffffff (0x8000000) MX[B] > [2] 0 0 0xfe9f0000 - 0xfe9fffff (0x10000) MX[B] > [3] 0 0 0xe8000000 - 0xefffffff (0x8000000) MX[B] > [4] -1 0 0xffe00000 - 0xffffffff (0x200000) MX[B](B) > [5] -1 0 0x00100000 - 0x3fffffff (0x3ff00000) MX[B]E(B) > [6] -1 0 0x000f0000 - 0x000fffff (0x10000) MX[B] > [7] -1 0 0x000c0000 - 0x000effff (0x30000) MX[B] > [8] -1 0 0x00000000 - 0x0009ffff (0xa0000) MX[B] > [9] -1 0 0xfdff8000 - 0xfdffbfff (0x4000) MX[B] > [10] -1 0 0xfdfff800 - 0xfdffffff (0x800) MX[B] > [11] -1 0 0xf0000000 - 0xf0ffffff (0x1000000) MX[B] > [12] -1 0 0xfe7ffc00 - 0xfe7ffdff (0x200) MX[B] > [13] -1 0 0xfe1fe000 - 0xfe1fefff (0x1000) MX[B] > [14] -1 0 0xfe1ff000 - 0xfe1fffff (0x1000) MX[B] > [15] -1 0 0xfeb20000 - 0xfeb200ff (0x100) MX[B] > [16] -1 0 0xfeb20400 - 0xfeb205ff (0x200) MX[B] > [17] -1 0 0x40000000 - 0x400003ff (0x400) MX[B] > [18] -1 0 0xfeb20800 - 0xfeb20bff (0x400) MX[B] > [19] -1 0 0xd0000000 - 0xcfffffff (0x0) MX[B]O > [20] -1 0 0xc1000000 - 0xc101ffff (0x20000) MX[B](B) > [21] -1 0 0xfe9f0000 - 0xfe9fffff (0x10000) MX[B](B) > [22] -1 0 0xe8000000 - 0xefffffff (0x8000000) MX[B](B) > [23] -1 0 0xfe9e0000 - 0xfe9effff (0x10000) MX[B](B) > [24] -1 0 0xe0000000 - 0xe7ffffff (0x8000000) MX[B](B) > [25] 0 0 0x000a0000 - 0x000affff (0x10000) MS[B](OprU) > [26] 0 0 0x000b0000 - 0x000b7fff (0x8000) MS[B](OprU) > [27] 0 0 0x000b8000 - 0x000bffff (0x8000) MS[B](OprU) > [28] 0 0 0x0000ec00 - 0x0000ecff (0x100) IX[B] > [29] 0 0 0x0000ec00 - 0x0000ecff (0x100) IX[B] > [30] -1 0 0x0000ffff - 0x0000ffff (0x1) IX[B] > [31] -1 0 0x00000000 - 0x000000ff (0x100) IX[B] > [32] -1 0 0x0000cc00 - 0x0000ccff (0x100) IX[B] > [33] -1 0 0x0000dcc0 - 0x0000dcff (0x40) IX[B] > [34] -1 0 0x0000bc40 - 0x0000bc7f (0x40) IX[B] > [35] -1 0 0x0000b800 - 0x0000b8ff (0x100) IX[B] > [36] -1 0 0x0000bc80 - 0x0000bc9f (0x20) IX[B] > [37] -1 0 0x0000ffa0 - 0x0000ffaf (0x10) IX[B] > [38] -1 0 0x0000ff40 - 0x0000ff5f (0x20) IX[B] > [39] -1 0 0x0000ff60 - 0x0000ff7f (0x20) IX[B] > [40] -1 0 0x0000ff80 - 0x0000ff9f (0x20) IX[B] > [41] -1 0 0x0000ec00 - 0x0000ecff (0x100) IX[B](B) > [42] 0 0 0x000003b0 - 0x000003bb (0xc) IS[B](OprU) > [43] 0 0 0x000003c0 - 0x000003df (0x20) IS[B](OprU) > (==) RADEON(0): Write-combining range (0xe8000000,0x4000000) > (WW) RADEON(0): Direct rendering not yet supported on Radeon > 9500/9600/9700/9800 and newer cards > (II) RADEON(0): Memory manager initialized to (0,0) (1280,8191) > (II) RADEON(0): Reserved area from (0,1024) to (1280,1026) > (II) RADEON(0): Largest offscreen area available: 1280 x 7165 > (II) RADEON(0): Using XFree86 Acceleration Architecture (XAA) > Screen to screen bit blits > Solid filled rectangles > 8x8 mono pattern filled rectangles > Indirect CPU to Screen color expansion > Solid Lines > Scanline Image Writes > Offscreen Pixmaps > Setting up tile and stipple cache: > 32 128x128 slots > 32 256x256 slots > 16 512x512 slots > (II) RADEON(0): Acceleration enabled > (==) RADEON(0): Backing store disabled > (==) RADEON(0): Silken mouse enabled > (II) RADEON(0): Using hardware cursor (scanline 1026) > (II) RADEON(0): Largest offscreen area available: 1280 x 7161 > (**) Option "dpms" > (**) RADEON(0): DPMS enabled > (II) RADEON(0): Direct rendering disabled > (==) RandR enabled > (==) RADEON(1): Write-combining range (0xec000000,0x4000000) > (WW) RADEON(1): Direct rendering not yet supported on Radeon > 9500/9600/9700/9800 and newer cards > (II) RADEON(1): Memory manager initialized to (0,0) (1280,8191) > (II) RADEON(1): Reserved area from (0,1024) to (1280,1026) > (II) RADEON(1): Largest offscreen area available: 1280 x 7165 > (II) RADEON(1): Using XFree86 Acceleration Architecture (XAA) > Screen to screen bit blits > Solid filled rectangles > 8x8 mono pattern filled rectangles > Indirect CPU to Screen color expansion > Solid Lines > Scanline Image Writes > Offscreen Pixmaps > Setting up tile and stipple cache: > 32 128x128 slots > 32 256x256 slots > 16 512x512 slots > (II) RADEON(1): Acceleration enabled > (==) RADEON(1): Backing store disabled > (==) RADEON(1): Silken mouse enabled > (II) RADEON(1): Using hardware cursor (scanline 1026) > (II) RADEON(1): Largest offscreen area available: 1280 x 7161 > (**) Option "dpms" > (**) RADEON(1): DPMS enabled > (II) RADEON(1): Direct rendering disabled > (==) RandR enabled > (II) Entity 0 shares no resources > (II) Entity 1 shares no resources > (II) Initializing built-in extension MIT-SHM > (II) Initializing built-in extension XInputExtension > (II) Initializing built-in extension XTEST > (II) Initializing built-in extension XKEYBOARD > (II) Initializing built-in extension LBX > (II) Initializing built-in extension XC-APPGROUP > (II) Initializing built-in extension SECURITY > (II) Initializing built-in extension XINERAMA > (II) Initializing built-in extension XFree86-Bigfont > (II) Initializing built-in extension RENDER > (II) Initializing built-in extension RANDR > (II) Keyboard "Keyboard0" handled by legacy driver > (**) Option "Protocol" "IMPS/2" > (**) Mouse0: Protocol: "IMPS/2" > (**) Option "CorePointer" > (**) Mouse0: Core Pointer > (**) Option "Device" "/dev/input/mice" > (**) Option "Emulate3Buttons" "no" > (**) Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5" > (**) Mouse0: ZAxisMapping: buttons 4 and 5 > (**) Mouse0: Buttons: 5 > (II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device "Mouse0" (type: MOUSE) > (II) Mouse0: ps2EnableDataReporting: succeeded > (II) Screen 0 shares mem & io resources > (II) Screen 1 shares mem & io resources > (II) Screen 0 shares mem & io resources > (II) Screen 1 shares mem & io resources -Mark From erqu0001 at d.umn.edu Fri Oct 10 04:22:54 2003 From: erqu0001 at d.umn.edu (Santiago Erquicia) Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 23:22:54 -0500 Subject: [FEDORA] Browsing Samba in Nautilus In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1065759774.3782.2.camel@argentina> I disabled the firewall completely and now it's working. When I selected eth0 only as trusted didn't work. On Thu, 2003-10-09 at 21:44, alton bailey wrote: > check your firewall setting and enable the check box beside eth0 and also > enable firewall and test it again > alton > From louisg00 at bellsouth.net Fri Oct 10 04:23:07 2003 From: louisg00 at bellsouth.net (Louis Garcia) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 00:23:07 -0400 Subject: spinner gone with latest updates Message-ID: <1065759787.3257.2.camel@tiger> just updated today and the spinner in nautilus is gone. Think it's gnome-icon-theme-1.0.9-2 fault. --Lou From 1midniterider at comcast.net Fri Oct 10 04:24:17 2003 From: 1midniterider at comcast.net (Marcus White) Date: 10 Oct 2003 00:24:17 -0400 Subject: Missing menus for Openoffice.org 1.1.0-2 Message-ID: <1065759855.10422.236.camel@tbird> G'day Just installed what looks to be the last round of updates for beta 2 in preparation for beta 3. Lastest round of updates changed the release number to 0.95. At any rate, stilling missing the menu items for OpenOffice 1.1.0-2 from the KDE desktop... -- Marcus White <1midniterider at comcast.net> From louisg00 at bellsouth.net Fri Oct 10 04:26:11 2003 From: louisg00 at bellsouth.net (Louis Garcia) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 00:26:11 -0400 Subject: openoffice.org menu stuff Message-ID: <1065759971.3351.1.camel@tiger> where did all the desktop menu launchers go for OO-1.1? --Lou From elwoo at videotron.ca Fri Oct 10 04:32:20 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 00:32:20 -0400 Subject: Missing menus for Openoffice.org 1.1.0-2 In-Reply-To: <1065759855.10422.236.camel@tbird> References: <1065759855.10422.236.camel@tbird> Message-ID: <200310100032.20884.elwoo@videotron.ca> On October 10, 2003 12:24 am, Marcus White > wrote: > At any rate, stilling missing the menu items for > OpenOffice 1.1.0-2 from the KDE desktop... You havde to run /usr/lib/openoffice/setup, and choose "newtork install". Once this completed, you'll get the OO icons in the group "More Office Applications" cheers, Elton ;-) -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From elwoo at videotron.ca Fri Oct 10 04:33:52 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 00:33:52 -0400 Subject: openoffice.org menu stuff In-Reply-To: <1065759971.3351.1.camel@tiger> References: <1065759971.3351.1.camel@tiger> Message-ID: <200310100033.52620.elwoo@videotron.ca> On October 10, 2003 12:26 am, Louis Garcia > wrote: > where did all the desktop menu launchers go for OO-1.1? You need to run /usr/lib/openoffice/setup, first. Choose "newtork install". cheers, Elton ;-) -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From elwoo at videotron.ca Fri Oct 10 04:35:12 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 00:35:12 -0400 Subject: spinner gone with latest updates In-Reply-To: <1065759787.3257.2.camel@tiger> References: <1065759787.3257.2.camel@tiger> Message-ID: <200310100035.12350.elwoo@videotron.ca> On October 10, 2003 12:23 am, Louis Garcia > wrote: > just updated today and the spinner in nautilus is gone. Think it's > gnome-icon-theme-1.0.9-2 fault. It's been replaced by a *nicer* spinner. Open any nautilus window and do "Reload". Elton ;-) -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us Fri Oct 10 04:35:33 2003 From: dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 21:35:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Missing menus for Openoffice.org 1.1.0-2 In-Reply-To: <200310100032.20884.elwoo@videotron.ca> References: <1065759855.10422.236.camel@tbird> <200310100032.20884.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <65362.12.224.134.103.1065760533.squirrel@webmail.parkrose.k12.or.us> Elton Woo said: > On October 10, 2003 12:24 am, Marcus White <1midniterider at comcast.net>> wrote: >> At any rate, stilling missing the menu items for >> OpenOffice 1.1.0-2 from the KDE desktop... > You havde to run /usr/lib/openoffice/setup, and > choose "newtork install". Once this completed, you'll > get the OO icons in the group "More Office Applications" I filed a bug: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=106740 -Dan Young -Parkrose School District From jgeorgeson at lopht.net Fri Oct 10 04:32:32 2003 From: jgeorgeson at lopht.net (Justin Georgeson) Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 23:32:32 -0500 Subject: spinner gone with latest updates In-Reply-To: <1065759787.3257.2.camel@tiger> References: <1065759787.3257.2.camel@tiger> Message-ID: <3F863660.9020800@lopht.net> that update was for some broken menu icons. the spinner (throbber) is in /usr/share/pixmaps/nautilus/throbber, owned by the nautilus package. Louis Garcia wrote: > just updated today and the spinner in nautilus is gone. Think it's > gnome-icon-theme-1.0.9-2 fault. > > --Lou > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list -- ; Justin Georgeson ; http://www.lopht.net ; mailto:jgeorgeson at lopht.net ; "Free the mallocs, delete the news" From pmatilai at welho.com Fri Oct 10 05:14:30 2003 From: pmatilai at welho.com (Panu Matilainen) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 08:14:30 +0300 Subject: Apt repositories for severn? In-Reply-To: <3F85DFDA.1040807@zonnet.nl> References: <3F85DBA2.6060903@ucsd.edu> <3F85DFDA.1040807@zonnet.nl> Message-ID: <1065762870.3f864036a269a@webmail.welho.com> Quoting "Jaap A. Haitsma" : > Diwaker Gupta wrote: > > Anyone has any idea about apt repositories for Severn? AFAIK there was > > one at livna.org but I forgot the exact URL. > > > > TIA > > http://rpm.livna.org/ ..which is the "fedora.us compatible" freeworld-type of repository, http://www.fedora.us and mirrors has Severn apt-reposiroty too and so does http://freshrpms.net. -- - Panu - From louisg00 at bellsouth.net Fri Oct 10 05:18:17 2003 From: louisg00 at bellsouth.net (Louis Garcia) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 01:18:17 -0400 Subject: spinner gone with latest updates Message-ID: <1065763097.3716.2.camel@tiger> > that update was for some broken menu icons. the spinner (throbber) > is in /usr/share/pixmaps/nautilus/throbber, owned by the nautilus > package. nautilus-2.4.0-5 does not contain /usr/share/pixmaps/nautilus/throbber directory. From louisg00 at bellsouth.net Fri Oct 10 05:23:57 2003 From: louisg00 at bellsouth.net (Louis Garcia) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 01:23:57 -0400 Subject: rhgb suppose to have gray background? Message-ID: <1065763437.3716.6.camel@tiger> Is the rhgb suppose to have that grayish background? I would think a color pixmap would be better. --Lou From louisg00 at bellsouth.net Fri Oct 10 05:43:04 2003 From: louisg00 at bellsouth.net (Louis Garcia) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 01:43:04 -0400 Subject: spinner gone with latest updates In-Reply-To: <1065763097.3716.2.camel@tiger> References: <1065763097.3716.2.camel@tiger> Message-ID: <1065764584.7540.2.camel@tiger> On Fri, 2003-10-10 at 01:18, Louis Garcia wrote: > > that update was for some broken menu icons. the spinner (throbber) > > is in /usr/share/pixmaps/nautilus/throbber, owned by the nautilus > > package. > > nautilus-2.4.0-5 does not contain /usr/share/pixmaps/nautilus/throbber > directory. The throbber looks empty when theirs nothing happening. When their is activity theirs a circular blue thing going in circles. Is this right? --Lou From jakub at redhat.com Fri Oct 10 05:52:56 2003 From: jakub at redhat.com (Jakub Jelinek) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 01:52:56 -0400 Subject: Missing menus for Openoffice.org 1.1.0-2 In-Reply-To: <200310100032.20884.elwoo@videotron.ca>; from elwoo@videotron.ca on Fri, Oct 10, 2003 at 12:32:20AM -0400 References: <1065759855.10422.236.camel@tbird> <200310100032.20884.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <20031010015256.J26086@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Fri, Oct 10, 2003 at 12:32:20AM -0400, Elton Woo wrote: > On October 10, 2003 12:24 am, Marcus White <1midniterider at comcast.net>> wrote: > > At any rate, stilling missing the menu items for > > OpenOffice 1.1.0-2 from the KDE desktop... > You havde to run /usr/lib/openoffice/setup, and > choose "newtork install". Once this completed, you'll > get the OO icons in the group "More Office Applications" That's not something you're supposed to do at the end. The ooffice script should take care of all of this when it is fully adjusted for OOo 1.1. Jakub From chrisw01 at privatei.com Fri Oct 10 07:16:56 2003 From: chrisw01 at privatei.com (Christopher A. Williams) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 01:16:56 -0600 Subject: [FEDORA] Browsing Samba in Nautilus In-Reply-To: <1065759774.3782.2.camel@argentina> References: <1065759774.3782.2.camel@argentina> Message-ID: <1065770216.22473.1.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> On Thu, 2003-10-09 at 22:22, Santiago Erquicia wrote: > I disabled the firewall completely and now it's working. When I > selected eth0 only as trusted didn't work. > > On Thu, 2003-10-09 at 21:44, alton bailey wrote: > > check your firewall setting and enable the check box beside eth0 and also > > enable firewall and test it again > > alton > > This did not work for me at all. Didn't really expect it to either though. I figured if I can see things from a command prompt via smbclient -L , then the firewall is not the issue anyway. This is frustrating for sure. Cheers, Chris -- ==================================== "If you get to thinkin' you're a person of some influence, try orderin' someone else's dog around." --Cowboy Wisdom From pboy at barkhof.uni-bremen.de Fri Oct 10 07:23:11 2003 From: pboy at barkhof.uni-bremen.de (Peter Boy) Date: 10 Oct 2003 09:23:11 +0200 Subject: Turn OFF HTML -- it's amazing ... I've gotta comment on this ... In-Reply-To: <1065737367.3f85dc97c3f6c@webmail.smithconcepts.com> References: <01L1MIVTZ40Y004SPU@rcum.uni-mb.si> <1065705842.20701.12.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> <1065715763.8891.20.camel@techbyte.com.br> <3F85D561.5040002@web.de> <1065737367.3f85dc97c3f6c@webmail.smithconcepts.com> Message-ID: <1065770590.4293.17.camel@ibmLaptop> Am Fre, 2003-10-10 um 00.09 schrieb Bryan J. Smith: > > [snip] > No "hate #1" attitudes here. > Be it America, Microsoft or Red Hat, relative to whatever "#1" you "hate." > > No banning people either, which can be "hate" in return. > Worse yet, it's often masked as "innocent" when it is, in fact, not > so "innocent." > > Just practice the Golden Rule. > > very well said! From zboszor at freemail.hu Fri Oct 10 07:44:11 2003 From: zboszor at freemail.hu (Boszormenyi Zoltan) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 09:44:11 +0200 Subject: Metacity-2.6.2 and gtk_window_fullscreen() In-Reply-To: <3F855C22.2030801@freemail.hu> References: <3F855C22.2030801@freemail.hu> Message-ID: <3F86634B.4090208@freemail.hu> HP is cc'd, he's the maintainer of Metacity. Boszormenyi Zoltan ?rta: > Hi, > > I am running an almost uptodate fedora/rawhide system. > I develop an in-house program using Glade2 and I use > gtk_window_fullscreen() to cover the desktop from the user. > The code I use is something like this: > > ******************************************** > mainwin = create_mainwin(); > gtk_window_fullscreen(GTK_WINDOW(mainwin)); > gtk_widget_show(mainwin); > > dialog = create_startdialog(); > gtk_window_set_transient_for(GTK_WINDOW(dialog), GTK_WINDOW(mainwin)); > gtk_widget_show (dialog); > ******************************************** > > In RH9 (using sawfish) the mainwin is switched to fullscreen > and the dialog (a login window) appears above it, so it is visible. > > In Fedora (using metacity) the mainwin is switched to fullscreen > but the dialog is not visible, but as it is modal, it grabs the focus. > Highly annoying. Is there a usable setup program for metacity > to change that behaviour or is it a bug in metacity? > OR how can I change the window manager in GNOME-2.4? There is something strange going on. I did killall -KILL metacity ; sawfish & logged out with saving session properties, and logged in. Of course sawfish was my new WM, but running my program with the above code produced different (also unwanted) result. The mainwin was not really made fullscreen but the maximize button disappeared from the window title bar. The dialog appeared above mainwin. It was with sawfish-1.3-1. I downgraded to sawfish-1.2-5 from RH9 but the result was the same. It must be something in gtk-2.2.4-3.1(Fedora) vs. gtk2-2.2.1-4(RH9). -- Best regards, Zolt?n B?sz?rm?nyi --------------------- What did Hussein say about his knife? One in Bush worth two in the hand. From david.balazic at uni-mb.si Fri Oct 10 07:50:48 2003 From: david.balazic at uni-mb.si (DAVID BALAZIC) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 09:50:48 +0200 Subject: CD-RW drag and drop (UDF) Message-ID: <01L1NQUD8C0I005KTA@rcum.uni-mb.si> From: David Joo >Whether this would answer it properly. > >But you can do that with Nautilus. > >Open Nautilus with burn:// >then drag a file(s) into that window then you can click burn. Very intuitive, I must say... Besides, that would write an ISO-9660 session on a (partially) empty CD, but not on UDF formatted CD, correct me if I am wrong. See http://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=60658 summary : no way, unless you write it yourself. Regards, David >Regards, >David Joo > >On Thu, 9 Oct 2003, Gerry Tool wrote: > >> In windows, I can format a cd-rw disk and then drag and drop files onto >> it as though it is a harddrive or floppy. I have not been able to >> figure out how to do this in Fedora Core. Am I just dense? Is it not >> doable? Can someone point me to a document that describes how to do >> this? >> >> Thanks. >> >> Gerry >> >> >> >> -- >> fedora-test-list mailing list >> fedora-test-list at redhat.com >> http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list >> > >-- >?????? (David SungMin Joo) djoo at redhat.com >Red Hat Asia-Pacific Pty. Ltd. >Ph : +61 7 3872 4833 Fax: +61 7 3257 4800 >Legal: http://apac.redhat.com/disclaimer > > > > >-- >fedora-test-list mailing list >fedora-test-list at redhat.com >http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list -- David Balazic E-mail : david.balazic at uni-mb.si | living in sLOVEnija home page: http://surf.to/stein -- From alexl at redhat.com Fri Oct 10 08:11:51 2003 From: alexl at redhat.com (Alexander Larsson) Date: 10 Oct 2003 10:11:51 +0200 Subject: spinner gone with latest updates In-Reply-To: <3F863660.9020800@lopht.net> References: <1065759787.3257.2.camel@tiger> <3F863660.9020800@lopht.net> Message-ID: <1065773510.22938.419.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, 2003-10-10 at 06:32, Justin Georgeson wrote: > that update was for some broken menu icons. the spinner (throbber) is in > /usr/share/pixmaps/nautilus/throbber, owned by the nautilus package. Negative. The spinner used is gnome-spinner.png in the icon theme. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Alexander Larsson Red Hat, Inc alexl at redhat.com alla at lysator.liu.se He's a gun-slinging sweet-toothed jungle king on the edge. She's an artistic green-skinned wrestler from a different time and place. They fight crime! From alexl at redhat.com Fri Oct 10 08:12:32 2003 From: alexl at redhat.com (Alexander Larsson) Date: 10 Oct 2003 10:12:32 +0200 Subject: spinner gone with latest updates In-Reply-To: <1065764584.7540.2.camel@tiger> References: <1065763097.3716.2.camel@tiger> <1065764584.7540.2.camel@tiger> Message-ID: <1065773551.22938.421.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, 2003-10-10 at 07:43, Louis Garcia wrote: > On Fri, 2003-10-10 at 01:18, Louis Garcia wrote: > > > that update was for some broken menu icons. the spinner (throbber) > > > is in /usr/share/pixmaps/nautilus/throbber, owned by the nautilus > > > package. > > > > nautilus-2.4.0-5 does not contain /usr/share/pixmaps/nautilus/throbber > > directory. > > The throbber looks empty when theirs nothing happening. When their is > activity theirs a circular blue thing going in circles. Is this right? Yes. This is how it was designed. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Alexander Larsson Red Hat, Inc alexl at redhat.com alla at lysator.liu.se He's an otherworldly devious ex-con with a robot buddy named Sparky. She's a blind cat-loving opera singer on her way to prison for a murder she didn't commit. They fight crime! From 1midniterider at comcast.net Fri Oct 10 08:48:14 2003 From: 1midniterider at comcast.net (Marcus White) Date: 10 Oct 2003 04:48:14 -0400 Subject: Missing menus for Openoffice.org 1.1.0-2 In-Reply-To: <65362.12.224.134.103.1065760533.squirrel@webmail.parkrose.k12.or.us> References: <1065759855.10422.236.camel@tbird> <200310100032.20884.elwoo@videotron.ca> <65362.12.224.134.103.1065760533.squirrel@webmail.parkrose.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <1065775693.10422.242.camel@tbird> Thanks... The fix posted on bugzilla worked... Marcus O. On Fri, 2003-10-10 at 00:35, Dan Young wrote: > Elton Woo said: > > On October 10, 2003 12:24 am, Marcus White > <1midniterider at comcast.net>> wrote: > >> At any rate, stilling missing the menu items for > >> OpenOffice 1.1.0-2 from the KDE desktop... > > You havde to run /usr/lib/openoffice/setup, and > > choose "newtork install". Once this completed, you'll > > get the OO icons in the group "More Office Applications" > > I filed a bug: > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=106740 > > -Dan Young > -Parkrose School District > > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list -- Marcus White <1midniterider at comcast.net> From tvinhas at techbyte.com.br Fri Oct 10 09:36:30 2003 From: tvinhas at techbyte.com.br (Thiago Vinhas de Moraes) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 06:36:30 -0300 Subject: CD-RW drag and drop (UDF) In-Reply-To: <1065754877.5533.10.camel@gstpc.earthlink.net> References: <1065754877.5533.10.camel@gstpc.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <1065778590.4097.4.camel@techbyte.com.br> Gerry, Couple years ago I've used this feature my applying a patch of the CD Packet Writing project, mantained my Jens Axboe, that is also responsible for the CD-ROM kernel support, and some other stuff. It worked very well, and works exactly the same way DirectCD works on Windows. You can take a look at http://packet-cd.sourceforge.net/. The site is really really really really obsolete, and the latest patch there is against the kernel 2.4.0-test10, but there is a mailing list where people releases unofficial decent patches for recent kernels. The information is on the site. Regards, Thiago Em Sex, 2003-10-10 ?s 00:01, Gerry Tool escreveu: > In windows, I can format a cd-rw disk and then drag and drop files onto > it as though it is a harddrive or floppy. I have not been able to > figure out how to do this in Fedora Core. Am I just dense? Is it not > doable? Can someone point me to a document that describes how to do > this? > > Thanks. > > Gerry > > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From rainer.traut at epost.de Fri Oct 10 09:41:22 2003 From: rainer.traut at epost.de (Rainer Traut) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 11:41:22 +0200 Subject: Java crashes thoug I export LD_ASSUME_KERNEL In-Reply-To: <200310081218.25383.elwoo@videotron.ca> References: <3F8400B5.6030609@epost.de> <200310081218.25383.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <3F867EC2.1050202@epost.de> Hi, Elton Woo wrote: > On October 8, 2003 08:19 am, Rainer Traut > wrote: > >>I'm trying to run Lotus Domino 6.5, it ships with an old JRE. > > Why not install the newer jre1_4_2_01 from Sun? ... and thank you for your answer! I already tried that, but after doing this the installation went ok, but the http task does not start anymore with weird error messages. My suspiscion is, the varaible gets ignored? Thank you Rainer From 1midniterider at comcast.net Fri Oct 10 10:20:30 2003 From: 1midniterider at comcast.net (Marcus White) Date: 10 Oct 2003 06:20:30 -0400 Subject: Installation warnings Message-ID: <1065781229.10422.251.camel@tbird> G'day, During a default "Workstation" installation a warning was noted for the following missing packages: sql-server: perl-DB_file core: prctl core: lilo core: yaboot core: efibootmgr core: s390utils core: ppc64-utils arabic-support: arabic-fonts The packages were "referenced" but were missing. -- Marcus White <1midniterider at comcast.net> From mandreiana at rdslink.ro Fri Oct 10 10:56:29 2003 From: mandreiana at rdslink.ro (Marius Andreiana) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 13:56:29 +0300 Subject: gdm login ignores /etc/profile? Message-ID: <1065783388.5036.30.camel@marte.biciclete.ro> Hi I set some variabled in /etc/profile ( PATH, EDITOR ), but they aren't set in gnome-terminal after logging in gnome. If I run xterm they aren't set too. After I run . /etc/profile they are ok. Also, if logging in console, they are ok. Can anybody confirm this? Is used to work fine in RHL9. PS: yes, after changing /etc/profile I did login again via gdm. -- Marius Andreiana LOAD - Linux Open Alternative Days Specialist Linux, Co-organizator http://www.load.ro From mandreiana at rdslink.ro Fri Oct 10 11:05:59 2003 From: mandreiana at rdslink.ro (Marius Andreiana) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 14:05:59 +0300 Subject: saving gnome session breaks it Message-ID: <1065783959.7569.1.camel@marte.biciclete.ro> I know there are some problems with gdm and session (complains about it when you login). With gdm-2.4.4.3-3, I tried saving current gnome session on logout. After that, on every login it complaints it can't load applets, nor can I add them again to panel. Is this fixed with latest gdm? -- Marius Andreiana LOAD - Linux Open Alternative Days Specialist Linux, Co-organizator http://www.load.ro From twaugh at redhat.com Fri Oct 10 11:09:54 2003 From: twaugh at redhat.com (Tim Waugh) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 12:09:54 +0100 Subject: saving gnome session breaks it In-Reply-To: <1065783959.7569.1.camel@marte.biciclete.ro> References: <1065783959.7569.1.camel@marte.biciclete.ro> Message-ID: <20031010110954.GJ2229@redhat.com> On Fri, Oct 10, 2003 at 02:05:59PM +0300, Marius Andreiana wrote: > I know there are some problems with gdm and session (complains about it > when you login). > > With gdm-2.4.4.3-3, I tried saving current gnome session on logout. > After that, on every login it complaints it can't load applets, nor can > I add them again to panel. > Is this fixed with latest gdm? I see problems with gnome-settings-daemon after logging out and then in again regardless of whether I save the session. 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"There's more than one way to do it" .. oops that was the perl mantra :) To skip certain packages for *this* run either "apt-get install " skipping the unwanted packages or user "apt-get -o RPM::Hold::="pkg" upgrade" where pkg is the one you want to skip (sorry don't remember offhand the syntax for specifying many packages there) To permanently skip certain packages add them to RPM::Hold:: config in /etc/apt/apt.conf or use pinning (see man apt_preferences for ugly details how to do it :) -- - Panu - From paul at frields.com Fri Oct 10 11:36:27 2003 From: paul at frields.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: 10 Oct 2003 07:36:27 -0400 Subject: saving gnome session breaks it In-Reply-To: <20031010110954.GJ2229@redhat.com> References: <1065783959.7569.1.camel@marte.biciclete.ro> <20031010110954.GJ2229@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1065785786.9319.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, 2003-10-10 at 07:09, Tim Waugh wrote: > > With gdm-2.4.4.3-3, I tried saving current gnome session on logout. > > After that, on every login it complaints it can't load applets, nor can > > I add them again to panel. > > Is this fixed with latest gdm? > > I see problems with gnome-settings-daemon after logging out and then > in again regardless of whether I save the session. I'm seeing this with 2.4.4.3-5. -- Paul W. Frields From davidgn at servidor.unam.mx Fri Oct 10 11:54:54 2003 From: davidgn at servidor.unam.mx (David Eduardo Gomez Noguera) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 06:54:54 -0500 Subject: gdm login ignores /etc/profile? In-Reply-To: <1065783388.5036.30.camel@marte.biciclete.ro> References: <1065783388.5036.30.camel@marte.biciclete.ro> Message-ID: <1065786894.3616.6.camel@localhost> On Fri, 2003-10-10 at 05:56, Marius Andreiana wrote: > Hi > > I set some variabled in /etc/profile ( PATH, EDITOR ), but they aren't > set in gnome-terminal after logging in gnome. If I run xterm they aren't > set too. > > After I run > . /etc/profile > they are ok. Also, if logging in console, they are ok. > I think, correct me if im wrong, that profile is read for tty logins only (or for "su -", which uses login) when you login through a pts (i.e. an xterm, telnet or ssh) profile should not be run. bashrc, tcshrc, etc... are run instead. From davidgn at servidor.unam.mx Fri Oct 10 11:54:54 2003 From: davidgn at servidor.unam.mx (David Eduardo Gomez Noguera) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 06:54:54 -0500 Subject: gdm login ignores /etc/profile? In-Reply-To: <1065783388.5036.30.camel@marte.biciclete.ro> References: <1065783388.5036.30.camel@marte.biciclete.ro> Message-ID: <1065786894.3616.6.camel@localhost> On Fri, 2003-10-10 at 05:56, Marius Andreiana wrote: > Hi > > I set some variabled in /etc/profile ( PATH, EDITOR ), but they aren't > set in gnome-terminal after logging in gnome. If I run xterm they aren't > set too. > > After I run > . /etc/profile > they are ok. Also, if logging in console, they are ok. > I think, correct me if im wrong, that profile is read for tty logins only (or for "su -", which uses login) when you login through a pts (i.e. an xterm, telnet or ssh) profile should not be run. bashrc, tcshrc, etc... are run instead. From ed at redhat.com Fri Oct 10 12:09:42 2003 From: ed at redhat.com (Edward C. Bailey) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 08:09:42 -0400 Subject: Getting Started Guide For Fedora In-Reply-To: <3F859E43.1000803@zwave.com> (John Munsch's message of "Thu, 09 Oct 2003 12:43:31 -0500") References: <3F859E43.1000803@zwave.com> Message-ID: >>>>> "John" == John Munsch writes: John> For what it's worth, I've started a getting started guide that I'm John> gradually expanding. ... John> http://www.johnmunsch.com/articles/FedoraCore094GettingStarted/ John> Please, please, please give comments on how to make this better. How about making it better by connecting with the Fedora Docs project and working on it there? :-) Seriously, it looks pretty good, and I'm sure the Docs project coordinator (Tammy Fox) would love to have you join! Ed -- Ed Bailey Red Hat, Inc. http://www.redhat.com/ From otaylor at redhat.com Fri Oct 10 13:36:03 2003 From: otaylor at redhat.com (Owen Taylor) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 09:36:03 -0400 Subject: saving gnome session breaks it In-Reply-To: <1065783959.7569.1.camel@marte.biciclete.ro> References: <1065783959.7569.1.camel@marte.biciclete.ro> Message-ID: <1065792963.30161.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, 2003-10-10 at 07:05, Marius Andreiana wrote: > I know there are some problems with gdm and session (complains about it > when you login). > > With gdm-2.4.4.3-3, I tried saving current gnome session on logout. > After that, on every login it complaints it can't load applets, nor can > I add them again to panel. > Is this fixed with latest gdm? If you get a complaint on login, then you are in a fundamentally broken state and I wouldn't try to save the session, certainly. I think the session didn't get fixed until GDM 2.4.4.3-5 Regards, Owen From dawson at fnal.gov Fri Oct 10 14:09:00 2003 From: dawson at fnal.gov (Troy Dawson) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 09:09:00 -0500 Subject: KDE desktop: not many here using it? Message-ID: <3F86BD7C.1000508@fnal.gov> > I wonder if the users of KDE (here on the list) are a very small > minority? I'd like to know if aqnyone else has seen this: > > SUMMARY: KDE Control Center does not build Help Index > http://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=104478 > (... in administrator mode, of course..) > At our lab, KDE is the prefered desktop, with ruffy 75% of the users (admins as well as end users) using it. I've tried the KDE Help through the various versions of KDE, and to be honest, it's never worked that I remember. But, I have to admit, I would only use it rarely. I usually just check to see if it works, then shrug and move on. If we are wanting RedHat to fix a part of KDE, I vote for KAppfinder, which has been deliberatly taken out of KDE ever since RedHat started shipping with KDE. It's fairly simple to put back in, simply take out the RedHat patch that takes it out. That's the one feature that I get requests for. Troy -- __________________________________________________ Troy Dawson dawson at fnal.gov (630)840-6468 Fermilab ComputingDivision/CSS CSI Group __________________________________________________ From ramanan54 at hotmail.com Fri Oct 10 14:14:23 2003 From: ramanan54 at hotmail.com (VENKAT RAMANAN) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 19:44:23 +0530 Subject: openoffice 1.1.0 icons fails to showup after updation Message-ID: Today morning I updated Openoffice 1.1.0 packages(2) in Fedora 0.94 . The icons are not there in office menu . Any idea how to initiate them? Ramanan _________________________________________________________________ The hottest things. The coolest deals. http://www.msn.co.in/Shopping/ Get them online! From notting at redhat.com Fri Oct 10 14:14:54 2003 From: notting at redhat.com (Bill Nottingham) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 10:14:54 -0400 Subject: Installation warnings In-Reply-To: <1065781229.10422.251.camel@tbird>; from 1midniterider@comcast.net on Fri, Oct 10, 2003 at 06:20:30AM -0400 References: <1065781229.10422.251.camel@tbird> Message-ID: <20031010101454.D4171@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Marcus White (1midniterider at comcast.net) said: > During a default "Workstation" installation a warning was noted for the > following missing packages: > > sql-server: perl-DB_file > core: prctl > core: lilo > core: yaboot > core: efibootmgr > core: s390utils > core: ppc64-utils > arabic-support: arabic-fonts > > The packages were "referenced" but were missing. perl-DB_File and lilo were not included, they've been removed from comps since test2. arabic-fonts entry was changed to the correct fonts-arabic. The rest are only relevant for other arches, and so are normal warnings. Bill From gstool at earthlink.net Fri Oct 10 14:19:43 2003 From: gstool at earthlink.net (Gerry Tool) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 09:19:43 -0500 Subject: openoffice 1.1.0 icons fails to showup after updation In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1065795583.5531.0.camel@gstpc.earthlink.net> On Fri, 2003-10-10 at 09:14, VENKAT RAMANAN wrote: > Today morning I updated Openoffice 1.1.0 packages(2) in Fedora 0.94 . The > icons are not there in office menu . Any idea how to initiate them? Look in the submenu "More Office Applications" Gerry From alan at redhat.com Fri Oct 10 14:22:45 2003 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 10:22:45 -0400 (EDT) Subject: What are consequences of "merger necessitates removal of ... In-Reply-To: <3F85A6C0.3060203@cypress.com> from "Thomas Dodd" at Hyd 09, 2003 01:19:44 Message-ID: <200310101422.h9AEMjH28730@devserv.devel.redhat.com> > Perhaps I missed something. RHEL and FC will contain only GPL and GPL > compatible code? Limitations on commercial reuse of the code should be RHEL sometimes includes some additional non free 3rd party software customers require (notably Java) bundled with them. Fedora itself is free software (not neccesarily GPL). Third parties selling mp3 stuff or shipping free mp3 stuff to countries where it doesn't hit patent issues are simply outside Fedora itself, just like any other third party suppied software From tjb at unh.edu Fri Oct 10 14:34:31 2003 From: tjb at unh.edu (Thomas J. Baker) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 10:34:31 -0400 Subject: saving gnome session breaks it In-Reply-To: <1065792963.30161.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1065783959.7569.1.camel@marte.biciclete.ro> <1065792963.30161.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1065796470.9676.34.camel@wintermute.sr.unh.edu> On Fri, 2003-10-10 at 09:36, Owen Taylor wrote: > On Fri, 2003-10-10 at 07:05, Marius Andreiana wrote: > > I know there are some problems with gdm and session (complains about it > > when you login). > > > > With gdm-2.4.4.3-3, I tried saving current gnome session on logout. > > After that, on every login it complaints it can't load applets, nor can > > I add them again to panel. > > Is this fixed with latest gdm? > > If you get a complaint on login, then you are in a fundamentally > broken state and I wouldn't try to save the session, certainly. > > I think the session didn't get fixed until GDM 2.4.4.3-5 > > Regards, > Owen I've been getting something similiar without doing any session saving. There are two scenarios after logging out and then trying to log back in. One is similiar to Marius in that I get logged in but it complains about not being able to load applets etc. I have to click 'don't delete' for each applet, log out, log in from the console, kill my running processes (usually gconfd and bonobo-activation) and then log back in. The other scenario is that after hitting return on the password from login, the screen goes blue, the gnome splash never appears, and I get booted back to the login prompt. In looking at the xsession error file, it complains about too many open files and maybe gconfd spawning too fast. I can't remember exactly but I'll keep a copy next time. This morning I had the first scenario. In trying to pair down the variables, I only killed bonobo-activation and when I logged in again, it worked. 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Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From rdieter at math.unl.edu Fri Oct 10 14:38:08 2003 From: rdieter at math.unl.edu (Rex Dieter) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 09:38:08 -0500 Subject: kappfinder In-Reply-To: <20031010141604.19150.94506.Mailman@listman.back-rdu.redhat.com> References: <20031010141604.19150.94506.Mailman@listman.back-rdu.redhat.com> Message-ID: <200310100938.08778.rdieter@math.unl.edu> Troy Dawson wrote: > If we are wanting RedHat to fix a part of KDE, I vote for KAppfinder, > which has been deliberatly taken out of KDE ever since RedHat started > shipping with KDE. FYI, kappfinder (and kmenuedit for that matter) doesn't yet support vfolders. kde 3.2 will support this. -- Rex From michael at ywow.org Fri Oct 10 14:47:28 2003 From: michael at ywow.org (MJang) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 10:47:28 -0400 Subject: Red Hat Professional Workstation References: <200310101422.h9AEMjH28730@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <00b901c38f3d$6d953d60$201e16ac@AllAccess> Folks, OK, I remember the discussion of some SOHO Red Hat product coming soon, and I'm just reading the release discussion on Red Hat Professional Workstation - http://www.redhat.com/software/workstation/ The links from this page all go towards RHEL info, which suggests that it's an offshoot of RHEL WS. According to Linux Central - it's to ship Nov 10, 2003 - and is "version 10". That suggests it's an offshoot of Fedora. Has there been a beta of Red Hat Professional Workstation? Is it more closely related to Fedora or RHEL? Is it the "affordable" version of RHEL that we've all been waiting for on the Taroon list? Thanks, Mike Jang From jgeorgeson at lopht.net Fri Oct 10 14:50:39 2003 From: jgeorgeson at lopht.net (Justin Georgeson) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 09:50:39 -0500 Subject: [FEDORA] Browsing Samba in Nautilus References: <1065759774.3782.2.camel@argentina> <1065770216.22473.1.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> Message-ID: <3F86C73F.8060302@lopht.net> Christopher A. Williams wrote: > On Thu, 2003-10-09 at 22:22, Santiago Erquicia wrote: > >>I disabled the firewall completely and now it's working. When I >>selected eth0 only as trusted didn't work. >> >>On Thu, 2003-10-09 at 21:44, alton bailey wrote: >> >>>check your firewall setting and enable the check box beside eth0 and also >>>enable firewall and test it again >>>alton >>> >> > > This did not work for me at all. Didn't really expect it to either > though. I figured if I can see things from a command prompt via > smbclient -L , then the firewall is not the issue anyway. I'm not sure if I've tried using it in connection with a windows box, but every time I give nautilus an SMB location, it crashes. I know a crash bug is one I should always file, but I have yet to use an application that can open a file by me clicking on it in Nautilus while browsing an SMB share, so it's not exactly limiting my normal usage. From jdy at cs.brown.edu Fri Oct 10 14:55:23 2003 From: jdy at cs.brown.edu (Joel Young) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 10:55:23 -0400 Subject: RHN Error - going through yum directly In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 09 Oct 2003 23:35:45 EDT." <3F862911.7060804@insight.rr.com> References: <3F862911.7060804@insight.rr.com> Message-ID: <20031010145523.8FE9B3F68@void.cs.brown.edu> > release process, so my RHN push included it as well. The best suggestion I > can currently give is to switch to updating via yum. up2date --nosig --upgrade-to-release=0.94 Joel From notting at redhat.com Fri Oct 10 15:04:20 2003 From: notting at redhat.com (Bill Nottingham) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 11:04:20 -0400 Subject: Red Hat Professional Workstation In-Reply-To: <00b901c38f3d$6d953d60$201e16ac@AllAccess>; from michael@ywow.org on Fri, Oct 10, 2003 at 10:47:28AM -0400 References: <200310101422.h9AEMjH28730@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <00b901c38f3d$6d953d60$201e16ac@AllAccess> Message-ID: <20031010110420.H4171@devserv.devel.redhat.com> MJang (michael at ywow.org) said: > OK, I remember the discussion of some SOHO Red Hat product coming soon, and I'm just reading the release discussion on Red Hat > Professional Workstation - http://www.redhat.com/software/workstation/ > > The links from this page all go towards RHEL info, which suggests that it's an offshoot of RHEL WS. > > According to Linux Central - it's to ship Nov 10, 2003 - and is "version 10". > > That suggests it's an offshoot of Fedora. > > Has there been a beta of Red Hat Professional Workstation? Not exactly (see below). > Is it more closely related to Fedora or RHEL? It's related to RHEL; the Taroon beta is much more relevant to Red Hat Professional Workstation than Fedora is. Bill From listman at depfyffer.com Fri Oct 10 15:20:22 2003 From: listman at depfyffer.com (listman at depfyffer.com) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 08:20:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Realplayer Message-ID: <36937.216.63.153.189.1065799222.squirrel@www.depfyffer.com> Has anyone tried / been able to get realplayer working on fedora? I tried installing the RPM but it runs once locks up then never runs again. From anthony.seward at ieee.org Fri Oct 10 15:16:50 2003 From: anthony.seward at ieee.org (Anthony Joseph Seward) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 09:16:50 -0600 Subject: Random MAC addresses from interface Message-ID: <1065799010.6401.4.camel@sonylap1> The MAC address returned when I use the usbnet driver to communicate with my Sharp Zaurus through USB changes when I reboot my Fedora machine. This seems like a problem on the Fedora side since I've not yet had the MAC address change just by rebooting the Zaurus. What is going on? Where are the addresses coming from? Tony -- Anthony Joseph Seward From michael at ywow.org Fri Oct 10 15:18:18 2003 From: michael at ywow.org (MJang) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 11:18:18 -0400 Subject: Red Hat Professional Workstation References: <200310101422.h9AEMjH28730@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <00b901c38f3d$6d953d60$201e16ac@AllAccess> <20031010110420.H4171@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <05cd01c38f41$bcb5e7b0$201e16ac@AllAccess> Dear Bill, ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Nottingham" > > Has there been a beta of Red Hat Professional Workstation? > > Not exactly (see below). > > > Is it more closely related to Fedora or RHEL? > > It's related to RHEL; the Taroon beta is much more relevant to > Red Hat Professional Workstation than Fedora is. Thanks for your quick response. Thus, can I assume it's most closely related to RHEL Workstation? If so, do you know what the differences are? For example, maybe it doesn't include the non-free 3rd party software that Alan Cox mentioned earlier? To rephrase - why would Red Hat release both an Enterprise Workstation and a Professional Workstation product? Thanks, Mike Jang From ms-nospam-0306 at arcor.de Fri Oct 10 15:19:19 2003 From: ms-nospam-0306 at arcor.de (Michael Schwendt) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 17:19:19 +0200 Subject: Red Hat Professional Workstation In-Reply-To: <00b901c38f3d$6d953d60$201e16ac@AllAccess> References: <200310101422.h9AEMjH28730@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <00b901c38f3d$6d953d60$201e16ac@AllAccess> Message-ID: <20031010171919.13e1ff5c.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, 10 Oct 2003 10:47:28 -0400, MJang wrote: > OK, I remember the discussion of some SOHO Red Hat product coming soon, and I'm just reading the release discussion on Red Hat > Professional Workstation - http://www.redhat.com/software/workstation/ > > The links from this page all go towards RHEL info, which suggests that it's an offshoot of RHEL WS. > > According to Linux Central - it's to ship Nov 10, 2003 - and is "version 10". Some retailers seem to not have been told enough details about that product, as they seem to confuse it with Red Hat Linux 10, also with regard to product life cycle (errata support period). > That suggests it's an offshoot of Fedora. Red Hat's own pages say: "Based on the leading enterprise Linux operating system," - -- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/hs330iMVcrivHFQRApvhAJ0VAKru+Jc3IUXnm6OpGJ4p45UtBgCeKWPu ashHfC7CcqfnwQW/xZY+O8g= =ohvF -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From jgeorgeson at lopht.net Fri Oct 10 15:25:14 2003 From: jgeorgeson at lopht.net (Justin Georgeson) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 10:25:14 -0500 Subject: Realplayer References: <36937.216.63.153.189.1065799222.squirrel@www.depfyffer.com> Message-ID: <3F86CF5A.60908@lopht.net> listman at depfyffer.com wrote: > Has anyone tried / been able to get realplayer working on fedora? > I tried installing the RPM but it runs once locks up then never runs again. I believe you need to set LD_ASSUME_KERNEL, an NPTL thing I think. There should be a link to the real forums on the download page that has plenty of tips. From anthony.seward at ieee.org Fri Oct 10 15:26:07 2003 From: anthony.seward at ieee.org (Anthony Joseph Seward) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 09:26:07 -0600 Subject: Realplayer In-Reply-To: <36937.216.63.153.189.1065799222.squirrel@www.depfyffer.com> References: <36937.216.63.153.189.1065799222.squirrel@www.depfyffer.com> Message-ID: <1065799567.6401.6.camel@sonylap1> http://www.math.unl.edu/linux/redhat/apt/7.3/RPMS.rex/RealPlayer8-8.0.3.412-6.i386.rpm works fine for me. On Fri, 2003-10-10 at 09:20, listman at depfyffer.com wrote: > Has anyone tried / been able to get realplayer working on fedora? > I tried installing the RPM but it runs once locks up then never runs again. > > > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list -- Anthony Joseph Seward From kodis at mail630.gsfc.nasa.gov Fri Oct 10 15:32:44 2003 From: kodis at mail630.gsfc.nasa.gov (John Kodis) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 11:32:44 -0400 Subject: Yum: identical dependency loop exceeded Message-ID: <20031010153244.GA14931@tux.gsfc.nasa.gov> I just added the rawhide repository at duke.edu to my yum.conf file, and had a yum update fail with: # yum update Gathering header information file(s) from server(s) Server: Red Hat Linux 0.94 - i386 - Base Server: Red Hat Linux 0.94 - Rawhide Server: Red Hat Linux 0.94 - Updates Finding updated packages Downloading needed headers Resolving dependencies ....identical dependency loop exceeded package dbus-qt needs dbus = 0.11.91 (not provided) From johannes at erdfelt.com Fri Oct 10 15:33:59 2003 From: johannes at erdfelt.com (Johannes Erdfelt) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 11:33:59 -0400 Subject: Random MAC addresses from interface In-Reply-To: <1065799010.6401.4.camel@sonylap1>; from anthony.seward@ieee.org on Fri, Oct 10, 2003 at 09:16:50AM -0600 References: <1065799010.6401.4.camel@sonylap1> Message-ID: <20031010113359.M18437@sventech.com> On Fri, Oct 10, 2003, Anthony Joseph Seward wrote: > The MAC address returned when I use the usbnet driver to communicate > with my Sharp Zaurus through USB changes when I reboot my Fedora > machine. This seems like a problem on the Fedora side since I've not > yet had the MAC address change just by rebooting the Zaurus. > > What is going on? Where are the addresses coming from? It's random. usbnet devices aren't real ethernet devices, so the driver creates a random MAC address. JE From glass-art at comcast.net Fri Oct 10 15:33:59 2003 From: glass-art at comcast.net (Clifford Snow) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 08:33:59 -0700 Subject: System now thinks it is Severn release 0.95 Message-ID: <1065800039.4759.7.camel@blue.comcast.net> My system now reports that it is a Severn release 0.95 which breaks up2date. I ran up2date yesterday and everything seemed fine until I attempted to run it again today. I ran up2date --register thinking that I was updated to 0.95 yesterday but rhn doesn't have a 0.95 channel (yet). Has anyone else seen this? Any suggestions to fix? Thanks, Clifford glass-art at comcast.net From dstewart at atl.lmco.com Fri Oct 10 15:38:01 2003 From: dstewart at atl.lmco.com (Douglas Stewart) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 11:38:01 -0400 Subject: System now thinks it is Severn release 0.95 In-Reply-To: <1065800039.4759.7.camel@blue.comcast.net> References: <1065800039.4759.7.camel@blue.comcast.net> Message-ID: <3F86D259.3090900@atl.lmco.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Clifford Snow wrote: | My system now reports that it is a Severn release 0.95 which breaks | up2date. I ran up2date yesterday and everything seemed fine until I | attempted to run it again today. | | I ran up2date --register thinking that I was updated to 0.95 yesterday | but rhn doesn't have a 0.95 channel (yet). | | Has anyone else seen this? Any suggestions to fix? | | Thanks, | Clifford | glass-art at comcast.net | | | -- | fedora-test-list mailing list | fedora-test-list at redhat.com | http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list This has been discussed several times over the last 24 hours. Take a look through the archives to find the solution (it involved downgrading your fedora-release package to the older 0.94 one). - -- - ---------- Doug Stewart Systems Administrator/Web Applications Developer Lockheed Martin Advanced Technology Labs Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/htJZN50Q8DVvcvkRAqWUAJ907J6GzucJGi5TxLJLJhlSbYx8ZACdHen2 poWwF74zS62dQtND7Uqy28E= =ulba -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From mutk at iprimus.com.au Fri Oct 10 15:39:38 2003 From: mutk at iprimus.com.au (Michael Kearey) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 01:39:38 +1000 Subject: System now thinks it is Severn release 0.95 In-Reply-To: <1065800039.4759.7.camel@blue.comcast.net> References: <1065800039.4759.7.camel@blue.comcast.net> Message-ID: <3F86D2BA.50003@iprimus.com.au> Clifford Snow wrote: > My system now reports that it is a Severn release 0.95 which breaks > up2date. I ran up2date yesterday and everything seemed fine until I > attempted to run it again today. > > I ran up2date --register thinking that I was updated to 0.95 yesterday > but rhn doesn't have a 0.95 channel (yet). > > Has anyone else seen this? Any suggestions to fix? > > Thanks, > Clifford > glass-art at comcast.net > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > Wait a few days. Cheers, Michael From p00mda at du.se Fri Oct 10 15:49:02 2003 From: p00mda at du.se (Mattias Dahlberg) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 17:49:02 +0200 (MEST) Subject: Image viewer, Nautilus and smb shares. Message-ID: Hi, GNOME 2.4's vfs for smb is better than ever. Browsing smb shares using Nautilus works smoothly. Now I wonder if there's an image viewer for GNOME that understands gnome-vfs well enough to open images located on an smb share? Gedit is able to open text files (although it prompts for password) but I haven't found an image viewer yet. Eye of Gnome seems to give it a shot, but fails with "Access denied". Regards, Mattias From notting at redhat.com Fri Oct 10 16:01:15 2003 From: notting at redhat.com (Bill Nottingham) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 12:01:15 -0400 Subject: System now thinks it is Severn release 0.95 In-Reply-To: <3F86D2BA.50003@iprimus.com.au>; from mutk@iprimus.com.au on Sat, Oct 11, 2003 at 01:39:38AM +1000 References: <1065800039.4759.7.camel@blue.comcast.net> <3F86D2BA.50003@iprimus.com.au> Message-ID: <20031010120115.I4171@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Michael Kearey (mutk at iprimus.com.au) said: > Wait a few days. Alternatively, try up2date-4.1.x. Bill From ted at cypress.com Fri Oct 10 16:02:36 2003 From: ted at cypress.com (Thomas Dodd) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 11:02:36 -0500 Subject: What are consequences of "merger necessitates removal of ... In-Reply-To: <200310101422.h9AEMjH28730@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <200310101422.h9AEMjH28730@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <3F86D81C.8090000@cypress.com> Alan Cox wrote: >>Perhaps I missed something. RHEL and FC will contain only GPL and GPL >>compatible code? Limitations on commercial reuse of the code should be > > > RHEL sometimes includes some additional non free 3rd party software > customers require (notably Java) bundled with them. Fedora itself is > free software (not neccesarily GPL). Third parties selling mp3 stuff or > shipping free mp3 stuff to countries where it doesn't hit patent issues > are simply outside Fedora itself, just like any other third party suppied > software This was regaurding a free, but for noncommercial use, player that has a license for the MP3 patents. That means it's not GPL, because of the non-commercial uses clause. So are opensource, free ($$), apps out of the question. My understandang is the GPL on MySQL libs (not LGLP), is keeping MySQL at an old version too. That make some sense, since I can see people creating commercial app that use tyhe MySQL libs. But a media player? It doesn't seam to be the kind of thing that would be tried. It's would clearly be a derivitive. -Thomas From fmerenda at yahoo.com Fri Oct 10 16:05:18 2003 From: fmerenda at yahoo.com (Frank Merenda) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 09:05:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Skip packages Message-ID: <20031010160518.23199.qmail@web13801.mail.yahoo.com> > From: Maynard Kuona > > How do I specify to skip certain packages when using apt-get upgrade. > Anyone let me know? I just finally figured this out, also. Do your normal apt-get update && apt-get -u upgrade copy the packages you need to get updated they type: apt-get install PACKAGED_TO_UPDATE and apt will update only those packages you supply. rinse and repeat for full shine. :) ===== - Frank Merenda Author - Uptime - http://www.steidler.net/uptime/ -a community based Linux blog and newsletter- Registered Linux User #234428 - http://counter.li.org webmaster - Humane Society of Jackson County - http://www.hsjc.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From alexl at redhat.com Fri Oct 10 16:14:35 2003 From: alexl at redhat.com (Alexander Larsson) Date: 10 Oct 2003 18:14:35 +0200 Subject: Image viewer, Nautilus and smb shares. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1065802474.22938.483.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, 2003-10-10 at 17:49, Mattias Dahlberg wrote: > Hi, > > GNOME 2.4's vfs for smb is better than ever. Browsing smb shares > using Nautilus works smoothly. > > Now I wonder if there's an image viewer for GNOME that understands > gnome-vfs well enough to open images located on an smb share? > > Gedit is able to open text files (although it prompts for password) > but I haven't found an image viewer yet. Eye of Gnome seems to give > it a shot, but fails with "Access denied". Yeah. This is because authentication isn't shared between processes, and eog isn't calling the "set up password dialog" function (you could request this in gnome bugzilla). It probably works on smb shares where you don't have to log in. I'm currently working (when not fixing Fedora bugs) on support for out of process authentication sharing for gnome 2.6, so eventually we'll get it. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Alexander Larsson Red Hat, Inc alexl at redhat.com alla at lysator.liu.se He's a deeply religious small-town assassin with a passion for fast cars. She's an artistic tempestuous socialite in the witness protection program. They fight crime! From alan at redhat.com Fri Oct 10 16:15:42 2003 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 12:15:42 -0400 (EDT) Subject: What are consequences of "merger necessitates removal of ... In-Reply-To: <3F86D81C.8090000@cypress.com> from "Thomas Dodd" at Hyd 10, 2003 11:02:36 Message-ID: <200310101615.h9AGFgx31402@devserv.devel.redhat.com> > This was regaurding a free, but for noncommercial use, player that has a > license for the MP3 patents. That means it's not GPL, because of the > non-commercial uses clause. There is non-commercial exemption to the MP3 patent licenses available. > is the GPL on MySQL libs (not LGLP), is keeping MySQL at an old version > too. That make some sense, since I can see people creating commercial Thats also because the new mysql can't be combined with PHP. From czar at czarc.net Fri Oct 10 16:24:57 2003 From: czar at czarc.net (Gene C.) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 12:24:57 -0400 Subject: System now thinks it is Severn release 0.95 In-Reply-To: <20031010120115.I4171@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <1065800039.4759.7.camel@blue.comcast.net> <3F86D2BA.50003@iprimus.com.au> <20031010120115.I4171@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <200310101224.57865.czar@czarc.net> On Friday 10 October 2003 12:01, Bill Nottingham wrote: > Alternatively, try up2date-4.1.x. OK, I tried updating to the latest (selecting everything BUT fedora-release) and since up2date was selected, it did that first. After up2date was restarted, it tried to update from rawhide via yum (I do not have yum installed). Furthermore, the list of available updates differs between server-updates and rawhide (no kernel update in rawhide). Now I realize this is beta testing and things will break but if you want us to use rhn to update/test things then this needs to be handled more carefully (yesterday including fedora release and today switching to rawhide for the source). I have not found any documentation for /etc/sysconfig/rhn/sources and the up2date-config program does not address this. I realize that using update to install these frequent updates is not really what it was designed to do but it is being used in that manner. Trying to locate older versions of programs to fix/correct suddenly broken/changed packages so that we can proceed with testing is not easy. It would be useful to have up2date NOT delete packages after they are installed. I realize that I can get this by not automatically installing packages but it is convenient to have up2date do the installs. -- Gene From chrisw01 at privatei.com Fri Oct 10 16:30:37 2003 From: chrisw01 at privatei.com (Christopher A. Williams) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 10:30:37 -0600 Subject: Hotsync now working! Message-ID: <1065803437.6681.1.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> I'm now able to sync all of the Evolution conduits using the new version of: gnome-pilot-2.0.10-3 gnome-pilot-devel-2.0.10-3 Things are getting better! Cheers, Chris -- ==================================== "If you get to thinkin' you're a person of some influence, try orderin' someone else's dog around." --Cowboy Wisdom From p00mda at du.se Fri Oct 10 16:40:56 2003 From: p00mda at du.se (Mattias Dahlberg) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 18:40:56 +0200 (MEST) Subject: Image viewer, Nautilus and smb shares. In-Reply-To: <1065802474.22938.483.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On 10 Oct 2003, Alexander Larsson wrote: > Yeah. This is because authentication isn't shared between processes, and > eog isn't calling the "set up password dialog" function (you could > request this in gnome bugzilla). Is that the same reason why Nautilus' own image view can't open the file? Regards, Mattias From notting at redhat.com Fri Oct 10 16:34:07 2003 From: notting at redhat.com (Bill Nottingham) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 12:34:07 -0400 Subject: System now thinks it is Severn release 0.95 In-Reply-To: <200310101224.57865.czar@czarc.net>; from czar@czarc.net on Fri, Oct 10, 2003 at 12:24:57PM -0400 References: <1065800039.4759.7.camel@blue.comcast.net> <3F86D2BA.50003@iprimus.com.au> <20031010120115.I4171@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <200310101224.57865.czar@czarc.net> Message-ID: <20031010123407.A4177@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Gene C. (czar at czarc.net) said: > On Friday 10 October 2003 12:01, Bill Nottingham wrote: > > Alternatively, try up2date-4.1.x. > > OK, I tried updating to the latest (selecting everything BUT fedora-release) > and since up2date was selected, it did that first. After up2date was > restarted, it tried to update from rawhide via yum (I do not have yum > installed). It has it's own yum support, you don't need an external program. > Furthermore, the list of available updates differs between > server-updates and rawhide (no kernel update in rawhide). They are slightly different at the moment; it will settle out over time (the trees are pushed at a slightly different date.) Bill From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Fri Oct 10 16:50:28 2003 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: 10 Oct 2003 12:50:28 -0400 Subject: Yum: identical dependency loop exceeded In-Reply-To: <20031010153244.GA14931@tux.gsfc.nasa.gov> References: <20031010153244.GA14931@tux.gsfc.nasa.gov> Message-ID: <1065804628.31848.21.camel@opus> On Fri, 2003-10-10 at 11:32, John Kodis wrote: > I just added the rawhide repository at duke.edu to my yum.conf file, > and had a yum update fail with: > > # yum update > Gathering header information file(s) from server(s) > Server: Red Hat Linux 0.94 - i386 - Base > Server: Red Hat Linux 0.94 - Rawhide > Server: Red Hat Linux 0.94 - Updates > Finding updated packages > Downloading needed headers > Resolving dependencies > ....identical dependency loop exceeded > package dbus-qt needs dbus = 0.11.91 (not provided) this could be a repository bug or it could be a bug I found in yum a bit back. http://linux.duke.edu/yum/download/daily/2.0/yum-2.0.3-20031005.noarch.rpm should fix this. -sv From czar at czarc.net Fri Oct 10 17:12:07 2003 From: czar at czarc.net (Gene C.) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 13:12:07 -0400 Subject: System now thinks it is Severn release 0.95 In-Reply-To: <20031010123407.A4177@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <1065800039.4759.7.camel@blue.comcast.net> <200310101224.57865.czar@czarc.net> <20031010123407.A4177@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <200310101312.07861.czar@czarc.net> On Friday 10 October 2003 12:34, Bill Nottingham wrote: > They are slightly different at the moment; it will settle out over > time (the trees are pushed at a slightly different date.) OK, if I understand what is implied here ... What you are working toward and will use in the next beta round (0.95) is to have the base release in rhn but then to use rawhide as the source for updates rather than having both rawhide AND a separate servern-updates subchannel. If this is the intent/direction, it makes sense to me and should save time/aggravation for Red Hat folks. -- Gene From Todd at netronin.com Fri Oct 10 17:14:43 2003 From: Todd at netronin.com (Todd Booher) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 10:14:43 -0700 Subject: Fuzzy Fedora Message-ID: Where can this be downloaded from (I don't see it in rawhide)? Thanks, Todd ________________________________ From: fedora-test-list-admin at redhat.com on behalf of Owen Taylor Sent: Thu 10/9/2003 3:40 PM To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com Subject: Re: Fuzzy Fedora On Thu, 2003-10-09 at 18:24, Paul Morgan wrote: > After today's up2date and a reboot of my test laptop, the red fedora > icon on the gnome panel is no longer a sharp image. Is this isolated, or > has anybody else seen this? tia -paul Fixed by gnome-panel-2.4.0-2. (If you want more explanation, see recent messages on fedora-devel) Regards, Owen -- fedora-test-list mailing list fedora-test-list at redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: winmail.dat Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 3985 bytes Desc: not available URL: From sopwith at redhat.com Fri Oct 10 17:27:55 2003 From: sopwith at redhat.com (Elliot Lee) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 13:27:55 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Fuzzy Fedora In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 10 Oct 2003, Todd Booher wrote: > Where can this be downloaded from (I don't see it in rawhide)? It'll have to be gnome-panel-2.4.0-3 in rawhide tomorrow morning (or wait for test3). My fault, -- Elliot Millions long for immortality who do not know what to do with themselves on a rainy Sunday afternoon. From kodis at mail630.gsfc.nasa.gov Fri Oct 10 17:31:28 2003 From: kodis at mail630.gsfc.nasa.gov (John Kodis) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 13:31:28 -0400 Subject: Yum: identical dependency loop exceeded In-Reply-To: <1065804628.31848.21.camel@opus> References: <20031010153244.GA14931@tux.gsfc.nasa.gov> <1065804628.31848.21.camel@opus> Message-ID: <20031010173128.GA15343@tux.gsfc.nasa.gov> On Fri, Oct 10, 2003 at 12:50:28PM -0400, seth vidal wrote: > On Fri, 2003-10-10 at 11:32, John Kodis wrote: > > I just added the rawhide repository at duke.edu to my yum.conf file, > > and had a yum update fail with: > > > > # yum update > > Gathering header information file(s) from server(s) > > Server: Red Hat Linux 0.94 - i386 - Base > > Server: Red Hat Linux 0.94 - Rawhide > > Server: Red Hat Linux 0.94 - Updates > > Finding updated packages > > Downloading needed headers > > Resolving dependencies > > ....identical dependency loop exceeded > > package dbus-qt needs dbus = 0.11.91 (not provided) > > this could be a repository bug or it could be a bug I found in yum a bit > back. > > http://linux.duke.edu/yum/download/daily/2.0/yum-2.0.3-20031005.noarch.rpm > should fix this. Nope, I'm getting identical results after installing the new yum package. I imagine that this indicates some type of problem with the repository at Duke. Thanks for looking into it just the same. -- John Kodis. From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Fri Oct 10 17:34:21 2003 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: 10 Oct 2003 13:34:21 -0400 Subject: Yum: identical dependency loop exceeded In-Reply-To: <20031010173128.GA15343@tux.gsfc.nasa.gov> References: <20031010153244.GA14931@tux.gsfc.nasa.gov> <1065804628.31848.21.camel@opus> <20031010173128.GA15343@tux.gsfc.nasa.gov> Message-ID: <1065807261.31846.38.camel@opus> > > > > http://linux.duke.edu/yum/download/daily/2.0/yum-2.0.3-20031005.noarch.rpm > > should fix this. > > Nope, I'm getting identical results after installing the new yum > package. I imagine that this indicates some type of problem with the > repository at Duke. Thanks for looking into it just the same. s/repository at Duke/rawhide/ -sv From erik.orebro at telia.com Fri Oct 10 17:37:26 2003 From: erik.orebro at telia.com (Erik Englund) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 19:37:26 +0200 Subject: Perl conflicts In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1065807446.4069.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> Every time i try to upgrade perl from up2date I get a huge load of conflict problems. Why is that? Am I the only one experiencing those problems? Here is the message up2date give me: Test install failed because of package conflicts: file /usr/share/man/man3/CGI.3pm.gz from install of perl-5.8.1-91 conflicts with file from package perl-CGI-2.81-88.3 file /usr/share/man/man3/CGI::Apache.3pm.gz from install of perl-5.8.1-91 conflicts with file from package perl-CGI-2.81-88.3 file /usr/share/man/man3/CGI::Carp.3pm.gz from install of perl-5.8.1-91 conflicts with file from package perl-CGI-2.81-88.3 file /usr/share/man/man3/CGI::Cookie.3pm.gz from install of perl-5.8.1-91 conflicts with file from package perl-CGI-2.81-88.3 file /usr/share/man/man3/CGI::Fast.3pm.gz from install of perl-5.8.1-91 conflicts with file from package perl-CGI-2.81-88.3 file /usr/share/man/man3/CGI::Pretty.3pm.gz from install of perl-5.8.1-91 conflicts with file from package perl-CGI-2.81-88.3 file /usr/share/man/man3/CGI::Push.3pm.gz from install of perl-5.8.1-91 conflicts with file from package perl-CGI-2.81-88.3 file /usr/share/man/man3/CGI::Switch.3pm.gz from install of perl-5.8.1-91 conflicts with file from package perl-CGI-2.81-88.3 file /usr/share/man/man3/CGI::Util.3pm.gz from install of perl-5.8.1-91 conflicts with file from package perl-CGI-2.81-88.3 file /usr/share/man/man3/CPAN.3pm.gz from install of perl-5.8.1-91 conflicts with file from package perl-CPAN-1.61-88.3 file /usr/share/man/man3/CPAN::FirstTime.3pm.gz from install of perl-5.8.1-91 conflicts with file from package perl-CPAN-1.61-88.3 file /usr/share/man/man3/CPAN::Nox.3pm.gz from install of perl-5.8.1-91 conflicts with file from package perl-CPAN-1.61-88.3 file /usr/share/man/man3/DB_File.3pm.gz from install of perl-5.8.1-91 conflicts with file from package perl-DB_File-1.804-88.3 From shrek-m at gmx.de Fri Oct 10 17:40:46 2003 From: shrek-m at gmx.de (shrek-m at gmx.de) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 19:40:46 +0200 Subject: [FEDORA] Browsing Samba in Nautilus In-Reply-To: <1065770216.22473.1.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> References: <1065759774.3782.2.camel@argentina> <1065770216.22473.1.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> Message-ID: <3F86EF1E.8060806@gmx.de> Christopher A. Williams wrote: >On Thu, 2003-10-09 at 22:22, Santiago Erquicia wrote: > > >>I disabled the firewall completely and now it's working. When I >>selected eth0 only as trusted didn't work. >> >>On Thu, 2003-10-09 at 21:44, alton bailey wrote: >> >> >>>check your firewall setting and enable the check box beside eth0 and also >>>enable firewall and test it again >>>alton >>> >>> >This did not work for me at all. Didn't really expect it to either >though. I figured if I can see things from a command prompt via >smbclient -L , then the firewall is not the issue anyway. > >This is frustrating for sure. > > try this: $ nmblookup -M -- - querying __MSBROWSE__ on 192.168.101.255 192.168.101.12 __MSBROWSE__<01> if you have an MasterBrowser smb:/// works do you have ? encrypt password = yes if you have multiple interfaces you need evtl something like this: interfaces = 192.168.0.0/24 192.168.10.0/24 vmware? $ cat /etc/vmware/vmnet1/smb/smb.conf give samba 5-6 minutes to become the MasterBrowser check it with # tail -f /var/log/samba/nmbd.log under rh8.0 samba became immediately MBrowser under FC-test2 samba needs 5-6 minutes to start this election try it with different settings, here is my result under fc-test2 ;encrypt ;interfaces --> no smb:/// encrypt ;interfaces --> smb:/// works after 5-6 min encrypt interfaces --> smb:/// works after 5-6 min not sure; afair there was a bug-report that a w2k-domain was not reachable because the samba-server became always MBrowser with the default-settings. this is evtl the reason that samba will wait now 5-6 minutes ;-) good luck -- shrek-m From akabi at speakeasy.net Fri Oct 10 17:52:17 2003 From: akabi at speakeasy.net (ne...) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 13:52:17 -0400 (EDT) Subject: getting pine to run under fedora 0.94 -- a couple issues In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Oct 9, 2003 at 05:38, Mike A. Harris in a soothing rage wrote: >On Sun, 5 Oct 2003, Robert P. J. Day wrote: [...] >Here are my current pine src.rpm, which should compile on any Red >Hat Linux release cleanly, including rawhide/Fedora: > >ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris/pine/pine-4.58-1.src.rpm You be sad to note that rebuilding failed for me. Errors below: [13:47:20][pine4.58]# rm -f krb5 [13:47:20][pine4.58]# mkdir krb5 [13:47:20][pine4.58]# ln -s /usr/kerberos/include krb5/include [13:47:20][pine4.58]# ln -s /usr/kerberos/lib krb5/lib [13:47:20][pine4.58]# ./contrib/krb5-setup lnp lnp Krb5-setup: Expected directory "krb5/lib" is missing. If you are attempting to use a Kerberos5 library other than the one from MIT then the pine build script won't be able to help much. Instead, you will have to modify c-client/Makefile and set the GSS macros correctly. In order to build pine without Kerberos5 functionality you may rename or remove the directory "krb5" and run the pine "build lnp" command again. error: Bad exit status from /var/tmp/rpm-tmp.60432 (%prep) [13:47:20][root]# rpm -qa | grep krb5 krb5-devel-1.3.1-6 krb5-libs-1.3.1-6 pam_krb5-2.0.3-1 krb5-server-1.3.1-6 [13:47:43][root]# cat /etc/redhat-release Fedora Core release 0.94 (Severn) HTH. -- Registered Linux User # 125653 (http://counter.li.org) Switch to: http://www.speakeasy.net/refer/190653 Corry's Law: Paper is always strongest at the perforations. 13:47:50 up 47 days, 1:22, 5 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 From craig at postnewspapers.com.au Fri Oct 10 17:57:33 2003 From: craig at postnewspapers.com.au (Craig Ringer) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 01:57:33 +0800 Subject: GDM Seems fixed now... In-Reply-To: <3F835D29.3090401@speakeasy.net> References: <1065552550.6458.1.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> <3F833A98.1020401@speakeasy.net> <3F835D29.3090401@speakeasy.net> Message-ID: <3F86F30D.3040501@postnewspapers.com.au> > It's either the Xfree86 updates of today or the gdm 2.4.4.3-5...they > allows me to boot my Sony Vaio PCG-F350 laptop graphically, but the > touchpad mouse goes absolutely crazy. I can't do any useful work with > the mouse behaving so erratically. It flies all over the screen, makes > windows minimize and maximize at random. I'll try plugging in a "real" > mouse just to see if that fixes it. Sounds like you're using the wrong mouse driver. I've also seen this with certain *cough*Belkin*cough* dodgy KVMs, however. Try using the basic "PS/2" driver in XF86Config and seeing if that helps. Craig Ringer From elwoo at videotron.ca Fri Oct 10 18:01:36 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 14:01:36 -0400 Subject: DRI missing! In-Reply-To: References: <1065247917.6746.10.camel@Linux1> Message-ID: <200310101401.36743.elwoo@videotron.ca> On October 9, 2003 05:33 am, Mike A. Harris <"Mike A. Harris" > wrote: > >Xlib: extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0". > >GL_EXT_bgra not supported - bailing out. > > > >History: > > > >Exiting due to error > > > >I have the Nvidia driver installed, and i have played it before under > >Fedora test 2. > > > >Is it a bug in XFree ? > > XFree86 does not, and has never supported DRI on any Nvidia video > hardware. You will never have the DRI extension for any Nvidia > card using any video driver with XFree86. The only way to get 3D > acceleration with the Nvidia hardware you have is to use Nvidia's > proprietary video drivers (which do not use DRI, but use their > own method of doing direct rendering), or to use some other 3rd > party proprietary driver. ... pardon my ignorance, Mike, but I've noticed this same error message when some screensavers are invoked. The instructions for installing the nVidia drivers, mention *removing* the reference to DRI in /etc/X11/SF86Config. Correct? Would the reinsertion of that line, "re-enable" DRI? I haven't actually deleted it, but simply placed a REM (#) in front of it. Elton. -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From chrisw01 at privatei.com Fri Oct 10 18:02:23 2003 From: chrisw01 at privatei.com (Christopher A. Williams) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 12:02:23 -0600 Subject: [FEDORA] Browsing Samba in Nautilus In-Reply-To: <3F86EF1E.8060806@gmx.de> References: <1065759774.3782.2.camel@argentina> <1065770216.22473.1.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> <3F86EF1E.8060806@gmx.de> Message-ID: <1065808943.10193.6.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> On Fri, 2003-10-10 at 11:40, shrek-m at gmx.de wrote: > > try this: > > > $ nmblookup -M -- - > querying __MSBROWSE__ on 192.168.101.255 > 192.168.101.12 __MSBROWSE__<01> > > if you have an MasterBrowser smb:/// works OK - the odd thing here is I just ran all of the updates for today and now browsing with smb:/// works. ...BUT my Windows VMs are not able to connect with any of the shares on he main Saba server. At least they can see it now, so there has been some improvement. All of this with *no* further changes to my smb.conf file. > > do you have ? > encrypt password = yes Yes, this is the default setting according to the documentation, but I have it in there anyway. > > if you have multiple interfaces you need evtl something like this: > interfaces = 192.168.0.0/24 192.168.10.0/24 > > vmware? > $ cat /etc/vmware/vmnet1/smb/smb.conf > Actually, I use VMware's preferred method of CIFS file sharing, which is to use the instance of Samba provided with the host OS. I turn off VMware's samba server intentionally. > under rh8.0 samba became immediately MBrowser > under FC-test2 samba needs 5-6 minutes to start this election > > > try it with different settings, here is my result under fc-test2 > > ;encrypt ;interfaces --> no smb:/// > encrypt ;interfaces --> smb:/// works after 5-6 min > encrypt interfaces --> smb:/// works after 5-6 min > Interesting test. I will look into this part further. AFAIK, I was still having problems with browsing even after a couple of hours. I confirmed at that time the nmbd.log file showed the samba server had become the master browser. We'll keep trying though! Chris -- ==================================== "If you get to thinkin' you're a person of some influence, try orderin' someone else's dog around." --Cowboy Wisdom From ted at cypress.com Fri Oct 10 18:02:38 2003 From: ted at cypress.com (Thomas Dodd) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 13:02:38 -0500 Subject: MySQL-4 Message-ID: <3F86F43E.1040003@cypress.com> >>> This was regaurding a free, but for noncommercial use, player that has a >>> license for the MP3 patents. That means it's not GPL, because of the >>> non-commercial uses clause. > There is non-commercial exemption to the MP3 patent licenses available. I thought that wasn't enough yet. Some confusion about weather selling a collection that included the encoder/decoder could be considered a commercila use. If not then the players/ripper just need a new license. >>> is the GPL on MySQL libs (not LGLP), is keeping MySQL at an old version >>> too. That make some sense, since I can see people creating commercial > Thats also because the new mysql can't be combined with PHP. Any pointers on that? I don't uses PHP at all, but would like the newer MySQL for linux. New to databases, but the MySQL option to buy a license for commercial use is nice. If someone (my employer?) wanted to sell something I developed, a commercial license could be aquired, without having to rewrite anything. MySQL 4 has a few new features I'm interested in. -Thomas From craig at postnewspapers.com.au Fri Oct 10 18:12:57 2003 From: craig at postnewspapers.com.au (Craig Ringer) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 02:12:57 +0800 Subject: advanced configuration options in redhar-config-xfree86 In-Reply-To: References: <200310081840.h98Iewj19274@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <3F86F6A9.3080402@postnewspapers.com.au> > I definitely agree users should be able to choose their refresh > rate easily somehow, and that the default should be as high as > possible that the given hardware combination they're using. The > X server automatically does that if the config file ranges are > specified correctly, but the user may want to limit the lower > limit to keep it within EU safety range. I seem to remember seeing something on develxfree86.org about plans to allow configuration of a _preferred_ refresh rate, to prevent the X server from picking a stupidly high-res 60Hz mode instead of a higher-refresh lower-res mode. I think it had something to do with the auto-configuration discussion, but I can't seem to find the post now. If X does gain the ability to be easily told a preferred refresh rate, that'd be a nice solution to the issue that wouldn't be dependent on manual user configuration or desktop-specific tweaks. Craig Ringer From elwoo at videotron.ca Fri Oct 10 18:14:59 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 14:14:59 -0400 Subject: Realplayer In-Reply-To: <200310101422.h9AEMjH28730@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <200310101422.h9AEMjH28730@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <200310101414.59378.elwoo@videotron.ca> On October 10, 2003 08:20 am, listman depfyffer wrote: > Has anyone tried / been able to get realplayer working on fedora? >I tried installing the RPM but it runs once locks up then never runs again. I'm using RealOne Player (Realplayer9 for linux), RealPlayer9-9.0.7.151-4.i386.rpm. It is downloadable from HERE: Once I verify that I have mozplugger installed, I have to EDIT /etc/mozpluggerrc and append the extension "lsc" to the realaudio references. Next I install RealOne, startup my browser, and start viewing TV or listening to the radio. FWIW, my preference for RealOne is that I like the interface! HTH & cheers.... Elton ;-) -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From ed at redhat.com Fri Oct 10 18:15:32 2003 From: ed at redhat.com (Edward C. Bailey) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 14:15:32 -0400 Subject: Red Hat Professional Workstation In-Reply-To: <05cd01c38f41$bcb5e7b0$201e16ac@AllAccess> (michael@ywow.org's message of "Fri, 10 Oct 2003 11:18:18 -0400") References: <200310101422.h9AEMjH28730@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <00b901c38f3d$6d953d60$201e16ac@AllAccess> <20031010110420.H4171@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <05cd01c38f41$bcb5e7b0$201e16ac@AllAccess> Message-ID: >>>>> "MJang" == MJang writes: ... MJang> To rephrase - why would Red Hat release both an Enterprise MJang> Workstation and a Professional Workstation product? Here's my understanding: Red Hat Enterprise Linux Workstation is meant for the enterprise market; Red hat Professional Workstation is a retail-only product intended for individuals looking to use Linux personally (yeah, I can't figure out why it says "Professional" in the name, either). Ed -- Ed Bailey Red Hat, Inc. http://www.redhat.com/ From elwoo at videotron.ca Fri Oct 10 18:17:59 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 14:17:59 -0400 Subject: openoffice 1.1.0 icons fails to showup after updation In-Reply-To: <1065795583.5531.0.camel@gstpc.earthlink.net> References: <1065795583.5531.0.camel@gstpc.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <200310101417.59439.elwoo@videotron.ca> On October 10, 2003 10:19 am, Gerry Tool > wrote: > On Fri, 2003-10-10 at 09:14, VENKAT RAMANAN wrote: > > Today morning I updated Openoffice 1.1.0 packages(2) in Fedora 0.94 . The > > icons are not there in office menu . Any idea how to initiate them? > > Look in the submenu "More Office Applications" Gerry, it doesn't show up until you run /usr/lib/openoffice/setup. Elton ;-) -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From elwoo at videotron.ca Fri Oct 10 18:29:04 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 14:29:04 -0400 Subject: Java crashes thoug I export LD_ASSUME_KERNEL In-Reply-To: <3F867EC2.1050202@epost.de> References: <3F8400B5.6030609@epost.de> <200310081218.25383.elwoo@videotron.ca> <3F867EC2.1050202@epost.de> Message-ID: <200310101429.04134.elwoo@videotron.ca> On October 10, 2003 05:41 am, Rainer Traut > wrote: > Hi, > > Elton Woo wrote: > > On October 8, 2003 08:19 am, Rainer Traut > > > > wrote: > >>I'm trying to run Lotus Domino 6.5, it ships with an old JRE. > > > > Why not install the newer jre1_4_2_01 from Sun? ... and > > thank you for your answer! > I already tried that, but after doing this the installation went ok, > but the http task does not start anymore with weird error messages. > > My suspiscion is, the varaible gets ignored? > Also the method of installing java is: 1) Append to the end of /etc/profile JAVA_HOME=/usr/java/j2re1.4.2_01 PATH=/usr/java/j2re1.4.2_01/bin:$PATH This way java is available systemwide. 2) Install the plugin: link (do NOT copy) /usr/java/j2re1.4.2_01/plugin/i386/ns610-gcc32/libjavaplugin_oji.so to /usr/lib/mozilla-1.4/plugins HTH ... also perhaps if you could post the precise error messages someone more knowledgable than myself might help ... if the above method does not slove your problem. tschuess! Elton ;-) -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From daniel-wittenberg at starken.com Fri Oct 10 18:32:21 2003 From: daniel-wittenberg at starken.com (Daniel Wittenberg) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 13:32:21 -0500 Subject: [FEDORA] Re: Realplayer In-Reply-To: <200310101414.59378.elwoo@videotron.ca> References: <200310101422.h9AEMjH28730@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <200310101414.59378.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <1065810738.1942.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, 2003-10-10 at 13:14, Elton Woo wrote: > On October 10, 2003 08:20 am, listman depfyffer wrote: > > Has anyone tried / been able to get realplayer working on fedora? > >I tried installing the RPM but it runs once locks up then never runs again. > > I'm using RealOne Player (Realplayer9 for linux), > RealPlayer9-9.0.7.151-4.i386.rpm. > It is downloadable from HERE: What's the URL? :) > Once I verify that I have mozplugger installed, I have to EDIT > /etc/mozpluggerrc and append the extension "lsc" to the > realaudio references. > > Next I install RealOne, startup my browser, and start viewing > TV or listening to the radio. > FWIW, my preference for RealOne is that I like the interface! > > HTH & cheers.... > > > Elton ;-) -- ============================= Daniel Wittenberg RHCE+AS/IBM Certified Specialist President/CTO The Starken Group http://www.starken.com From nosp at xades.com Fri Oct 10 18:34:10 2003 From: nosp at xades.com (nosp) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 19:34:10 +0100 Subject: DRI missing! In-Reply-To: <200310101401.36743.elwoo@videotron.ca> References: <1065247917.6746.10.camel@Linux1> <200310101401.36743.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <1065810850.2564.4.camel@earth.xades.com> On Fri, 2003-10-10 at 19:01, Elton Woo wrote: > On October 9, 2003 05:33 am, Mike A. Harris <"Mike A. Harris" > > wrote: > > >Xlib: extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0". [snip] > ... pardon my ignorance, Mike, but I've noticed this same error > message when some screensavers are invoked. The instructions > for installing the nVidia drivers, mention *removing* the reference > to DRI in /etc/X11/SF86Config. Correct? > > Would the reinsertion of that line, "re-enable" DRI? I haven't actually > deleted it, but simply placed a REM (#) in front of it. Commenting it is sufficient, but what's probably happened is the Mesa (software OpenGL) libs that the nvidia installer removes have been reinstalled by some update of XFree* rpms. Check /usr/X11R6/lib/tls and tls/i686 for libGL.* (note period). Rename any that exist and the run glxgears to see if you still get the message: cd /usr/X11R6/lib/tls rename libGL disabled_libGL libGL.* cd i686 rename libGL disabled_libGL libGL.* glxgears You may have to do /usr/X11R6/lib as well but I haven't seen those libGL.* libs being resurrected. From elwoo at videotron.ca Fri Oct 10 18:37:22 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 14:37:22 -0400 Subject: bug #60658. (was Re: CD-RW drag and drop (UDF) In-Reply-To: <01L1NQUD8C0I005KTA@rcum.uni-mb.si> References: <01L1NQUD8C0I005KTA@rcum.uni-mb.si> Message-ID: <200310101437.22746.elwoo@videotron.ca> On October 10, 2003 03:50 am, DAVID BALAZIC > wrote: > See http://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=60658 > summary : no way, unless you write it yourself. Can't access the report: You are not authorized to access bug #60658. To see this bug, you must first log in to an account with the appropriate permissions. IMHO, and from the bug *number* it might be possible this was one of the reports lost in the recent crash of bugzilla? Elton From jgeorgeson at lopht.net Fri Oct 10 18:44:28 2003 From: jgeorgeson at lopht.net (Justin Georgeson) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 13:44:28 -0500 Subject: [FEDORA] Re: Realplayer References: <200310101422.h9AEMjH28730@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <200310101414.59378.elwoo@videotron.ca> <1065810738.1942.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <3F86FE0C.5030608@lopht.net> Daniel Wittenberg wrote: > On Fri, 2003-10-10 at 13:14, Elton Woo wrote: > >>On October 10, 2003 08:20 am, listman depfyffer wrote: >> >>>Has anyone tried / been able to get realplayer working on fedora? >>>I tried installing the RPM but it runs once locks up then never runs again. >> >>I'm using RealOne Player (Realplayer9 for linux), >>RealPlayer9-9.0.7.151-4.i386.rpm. >>It is downloadable from HERE: > > > What's the URL? :) > go to real.com, find the link at the bottom left to download the Unix player, fill out the form, at the bottom of the download page is a button following a blurb about the community supported alpha version of RealOne. click that button and you get a new download page. From elwoo at videotron.ca Fri Oct 10 18:41:15 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 14:41:15 -0400 Subject: spinner gone with latest updates In-Reply-To: <1065773551.22938.421.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1065763097.3716.2.camel@tiger> <1065764584.7540.2.camel@tiger> <1065773551.22938.421.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <200310101441.15901.elwoo@videotron.ca> On October 10, 2003 04:12 am, Alexander Larsson > wrote: > > The throbber looks empty when theirs nothing happening. When their is > > activity theirs a circular blue thing going in circles. Is this right? > > Yes. This is how it was designed. ... and very nicely done, too! ... as is the new graphical boot. Elton ;-) -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From elwoo at videotron.ca Fri Oct 10 18:45:18 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 14:45:18 -0400 Subject: DRI missing! In-Reply-To: <1065810850.2564.4.camel@earth.xades.com> References: <1065247917.6746.10.camel@Linux1> <200310101401.36743.elwoo@videotron.ca> <1065810850.2564.4.camel@earth.xades.com> Message-ID: <200310101445.18876.elwoo@videotron.ca> On October 10, 2003 02:34 pm, nosp > wrote: > > Would the reinsertion of that line, "re-enable" DRI? I haven't actually > > deleted it, but simply placed a REM (#) in front of it. > > Commenting it is sufficient, but what's probably happened is the Mesa > (software OpenGL) libs that the nvidia installer removes have been > reinstalled by some update of XFree* rpms. Check /usr/X11R6/lib/tls and > tls/i686 for libGL.* (note period). Rename any that exist and the run > glxgears to see if you still get the message: > > cd /usr/X11R6/lib/tls > rename libGL disabled_libGL libGL.* > cd i686 > rename libGL disabled_libGL libGL.* > glxgears > > > You may have to do /usr/X11R6/lib as well but I haven't seen those > libGL.* libs being resurrected. well, DRI is still commented out in my XF86Config, and I *haven't* done as you mentioned above. Yet, just running glxgears in a user console, and it runs....! Elton ;-) -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From leam at reuel.net Fri Oct 10 18:46:44 2003 From: leam at reuel.net (leam) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 13:46:44 -0500 Subject: Red Hat Professional Workstation Message-ID: > >>>>> "MJang" == MJang writes: > > ... > MJang> To rephrase - why would Red Hat release both an Enterprise > MJang> Workstation and a Professional Workstation product? > > Here's my understanding: > > Red Hat Enterprise Linux Workstation is meant for the enterprise market; > Red hat Professional Workstation is a retail-only product intended for > individuals looking to use Linux personally (yeah, I can't figure out why > it says "Professional" in the name, either). > > Ed > -- > Ed Bailey Red Hat, Inc. http://www.redhat.com/ So thre is a *new* product? I thought the advantage of RHEL WS was "same codebase" as the RHEL ES/AS; is the "Professional Workstation" in effect RH 10? Did I miss a Red Hat flyer? I thought I signed up for them... :P ciao! leam From jwendel at fnmoc.navy.mil Fri Oct 10 18:53:17 2003 From: jwendel at fnmoc.navy.mil (John Wendel) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 11:53:17 -0700 Subject: Red Hat Professional Workstation In-Reply-To: References: <200310101422.h9AEMjH28730@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <00b901c38f3d$6d953d60$201e16ac@AllAccess> <20031010110420.H4171@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <05cd01c38f41$bcb5e7b0$201e16ac@AllAccess> Message-ID: <20031010115317.32176740.jwendel@fnmoc.navy.mil> On Fri, 10 Oct 2003 14:15:32 -0400 -- "Edward C. Bailey" wrote: > >>>>> "MJang" == MJang writes: > > ... > MJang> To rephrase - why would Red Hat release both an Enterprise > MJang> Workstation and a Professional Workstation product? > > Here's my understanding: > > Red Hat Enterprise Linux Workstation is meant for the enterprise market; > Red hat Professional Workstation is a retail-only product intended for > individuals looking to use Linux personally (yeah, I can't figure out why > it says "Professional" in the name, either). > > Ed > -- > Ed Bailey Red Hat, Inc. http://www.redhat.com/ > > > -- Wellllll, would you buy "Red Hat Amateur Workstation". Sorry, I couldn't help myself! -- John Wendel From nosp at xades.com Fri Oct 10 18:49:22 2003 From: nosp at xades.com (nosp) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 19:49:22 +0100 Subject: DRI missing! In-Reply-To: <200310101445.18876.elwoo@videotron.ca> References: <1065247917.6746.10.camel@Linux1> <200310101401.36743.elwoo@videotron.ca> <1065810850.2564.4.camel@earth.xades.com> <200310101445.18876.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <1065811762.2564.7.camel@earth.xades.com> On Fri, 2003-10-10 at 19:45, Elton Woo wrote: > well, DRI is still commented out in my XF86Config, and I *haven't* > done as you mentioned above. Yet, just running glxgears in a user > console, and it runs....! Great -- my point was that though this is supposed to be the case, if it isn't (GLX gears will run but will print out a message on the command line about DRI being missing) then it's likely due to an upgrade of the XF86 Mesa libs rpm since installing the nvidia binary driver. From shrek-m at gmx.de Fri Oct 10 18:52:02 2003 From: shrek-m at gmx.de (shrek-m at gmx.de) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 20:52:02 +0200 Subject: Position Independent Executables (PIE) Message-ID: <3F86FFD2.6060801@gmx.de> hi, will this be included in other kernels too? http://www.networknews.co.uk/News/1143925 The RHEL 3 server operating system, due to ship within weeks, includes a feature called Position Independent Executables (PIE). This is a modification to the Linux kernel developed by Red Hat to reduce the threat from worms and other buffer-overflow based attacks. -- shrek-m From mharris at redhat.com Fri Oct 10 18:52:33 2003 From: mharris at redhat.com (Mike A. Harris) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 14:52:33 -0400 (EDT) Subject: DRI missing! In-Reply-To: <200310101401.36743.elwoo@videotron.ca> References: <1065247917.6746.10.camel@Linux1> <200310101401.36743.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: On Fri, 10 Oct 2003, Elton Woo wrote: >> XFree86 does not, and has never supported DRI on any Nvidia video >> hardware. You will never have the DRI extension for any Nvidia >> card using any video driver with XFree86. The only way to get 3D >> acceleration with the Nvidia hardware you have is to use Nvidia's >> proprietary video drivers (which do not use DRI, but use their >> own method of doing direct rendering), or to use some other 3rd >> party proprietary driver. > >... pardon my ignorance, Mike, but I've noticed this same error >message when some screensavers are invoked. The instructions >for installing the nVidia drivers, mention *removing* the reference >to DRI in /etc/X11/SF86Config. Correct? What error message? What exactly is producing the error message? The X server in it's log file? The screensaver(s)? What? Be specific. As I said before, Nvidia *does not* use DRI period. If you are loading the DRI module in your X server config, which is the default in all of our OS releases, then you need to comment out that line in your config file if you're using Nvidia's drivers as they do not use DRI, and it may or may not conflict with their driver: Change: Load "dri" to: #Load "dri" What that line does, is determines wether or not the X server will load the DRI X extension module. It does NOT "enable DRI". It loads the DRI module, so that the X server has DRI extension support in case you are using a piece of hardware which the XFree86 supplied drivers support DRI on. So for example, you can use a cirrus logic card with the "cirrus" driver, and have Load "dri" in your config file, and you do _not_ get DRI support for Cirrus Logic. However, if the Cirrus Logic driver had DRI support in it, then having Load "dri" in the config file would provide the X server with the ability to allow you to use Cirrus DRI. That's just an example to attempt to explain the DRI module. The only time the DRI module is needed, is if you are using a video card and video driver which *does* support DRI, and you wish to use the DRI support of that driver. If you do not want to use DRI, or DRI is not supported by the video driver you are using for the particular card you are using, the "Load dri" line will not give you DRI support, but it will not harm anything either. Think of it like loading the iptables kernel module at boot time, but not using it. Your kernel now has the ability to allow you to use the iptables command to set firewall rules. You don't need to actually use the iptables command nor set up a firewall, but your kernel has that ability. Well, loading the DRI module into the X server allows your X server to have the ability to use DRI enabled video drivers. It doesn't require that you do use them though. For the case of the Nvidia module requiring you not load the DRI module, this is analogous to you deciding you want to use "ipchains" for a firewall instead. So your kernel has iptables module loaded, and you're not using it. You want to use "ipchains" instead, and can't load the ipchains module because iptables and ipchains can not co-exist, and they provide similar functionality. Well, the Nvidia binary modules do more or less the same thing. They provide their own kernel module, and their own XFree86 modules which talk to their kernel module. The interfaces used are proprietary to Nvidia, and are not DRI nor are they compatible with DRI. So they recommend you comment out the DRI module in the same way one would recommend you unload iptables if you want to use ipchains instead. I've went into the level of detail I have, because a _lot_ of people ask about this all of the time, and DRI/DRM and related stuff is quite complicated, so it is perfectly understandable that there will be some confusion about it. I hope I've helped some of you to at least understand the XFree86 X server DRI module and wether or not you should load it, etc. ;o) Take care, TTYL -- Mike A. Harris ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris OS Systems Engineer - XFree86 maintainer - Red Hat From florin at sgi.com Fri Oct 10 18:55:12 2003 From: florin at sgi.com (Florin Andrei) Date: 10 Oct 2003 11:55:12 -0700 Subject: gaim update Message-ID: <1065812112.3922.8.camel@stantz.corp.sgi.com> Please update gaim in the Rawhide rep. to 0.71, as it fixes the issue with Yahoo login. There might be some lingering issues with adding new buddies to the list, but at least now the basic Yahoo stuff works. -- Florin Andrei http://florin.myip.org/ From nosp at xades.com Fri Oct 10 18:56:02 2003 From: nosp at xades.com (nosp) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 19:56:02 +0100 Subject: DRI missing! In-Reply-To: References: <1065247917.6746.10.camel@Linux1> <200310101401.36743.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <1065812162.2564.9.camel@earth.xades.com> On Fri, 2003-10-10 at 19:52, Mike A. Harris wrote: > I've went into the level of detail I have, because a _lot_ of > people ask about this all of the time, and DRI/DRM and related > stuff is quite complicated, so it is perfectly understandable > that there will be some confusion about it. I hope I've helped > some of you to at least understand the XFree86 X server DRI > module and wether or not you should load it, etc. ;o) Thanks -- very helpful. From ed at redhat.com Fri Oct 10 18:57:50 2003 From: ed at redhat.com (Edward C. Bailey) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 14:57:50 -0400 Subject: Red Hat Professional Workstation In-Reply-To: (leam@reuel.net's message of "Fri, 10 Oct 2003 13:46:44 -0500") References: Message-ID: >>>>> "leam" == leam writes: leam> So thre is a *new* product? I thought the advantage of RHEL WS was leam> "same codebase" as the RHEL ES/AS; is the "Professional Workstation" leam> in effect RH 10? No, it's not. Ed -- Ed Bailey Red Hat, Inc. http://www.redhat.com/ From notting at redhat.com Fri Oct 10 19:00:47 2003 From: notting at redhat.com (Bill Nottingham) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 15:00:47 -0400 Subject: System now thinks it is Severn release 0.95 In-Reply-To: <200310101312.07861.czar@czarc.net>; from czar@czarc.net on Fri, Oct 10, 2003 at 01:12:07PM -0400 References: <1065800039.4759.7.camel@blue.comcast.net> <200310101224.57865.czar@czarc.net> <20031010123407.A4177@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <200310101312.07861.czar@czarc.net> Message-ID: <20031010150047.A16771@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Gene C. (czar at czarc.net) said: > What you are working toward and will use in the next beta round (0.95) is to > have the base release in rhn but then to use rawhide as the source for > updates rather than having both rawhide AND a separate servern-updates > subchannel. For the next test release (0.95), the update path will be via rawhide, yes. Bill From operalover_99 at yahoo.com Fri Oct 10 19:01:36 2003 From: operalover_99 at yahoo.com (Michael Smith) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 12:01:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: DRI missing! In-Reply-To: <200310101445.18876.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <20031010190136.52936.qmail@web11008.mail.yahoo.com> Elton and Group, I my past experience with nVidia drivers for Linux, gears does run, and runs very fast - something like 10x compared with the non-nVidia driver. Mike Smith --- Elton Woo wrote: > On October 10, 2003 02:34 pm, nosp > wrote: > > > Would the reinsertion of that line, "re-enable" > DRI? I haven't actually > > > deleted it, but simply placed a REM (#) in front > of it. > > > > Commenting it is sufficient, but what's probably > happened is the Mesa > > (software OpenGL) libs that the nvidia installer > removes have been > > reinstalled by some update of XFree* rpms. Check > /usr/X11R6/lib/tls and > > tls/i686 for libGL.* (note period). Rename any > that exist and the run > > glxgears to see if you still get the message: > > > > cd /usr/X11R6/lib/tls > > rename libGL disabled_libGL libGL.* > > cd i686 > > rename libGL disabled_libGL libGL.* > > glxgears > > > > > > You may have to do /usr/X11R6/lib as well but I > haven't seen those > > libGL.* libs being resurrected. > > well, DRI is still commented out in my XF86Config, > and I *haven't* > done as you mentioned above. Yet, just running > glxgears in a user > console, and it runs....! > > > Elton ;-) > -- > http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html > "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each > other." > LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. > > > > > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From notting at redhat.com Fri Oct 10 19:01:48 2003 From: notting at redhat.com (Bill Nottingham) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 15:01:48 -0400 Subject: Yum: identical dependency loop exceeded In-Reply-To: <1065807261.31846.38.camel@opus>; from skvidal@phy.duke.edu on Fri, Oct 10, 2003 at 01:34:21PM -0400 References: <20031010153244.GA14931@tux.gsfc.nasa.gov> <1065804628.31848.21.camel@opus> <20031010173128.GA15343@tux.gsfc.nasa.gov> <1065807261.31846.38.camel@opus> Message-ID: <20031010150148.B16771@devserv.devel.redhat.com> seth vidal (skvidal at phy.duke.edu) said: > s/repository at Duke/rawhide/ dbus-qt went away, removing the old version should allow things to go ok. Bill From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Fri Oct 10 19:04:34 2003 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: 10 Oct 2003 15:04:34 -0400 Subject: Yum: identical dependency loop exceeded In-Reply-To: <20031010150148.B16771@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <20031010153244.GA14931@tux.gsfc.nasa.gov> <1065804628.31848.21.camel@opus> <20031010173128.GA15343@tux.gsfc.nasa.gov> <1065807261.31846.38.camel@opus> <20031010150148.B16771@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1065812674.31848.43.camel@opus> On Fri, 2003-10-10 at 15:01, Bill Nottingham wrote: > seth vidal (skvidal at phy.duke.edu) said: > > s/repository at Duke/rawhide/ > > dbus-qt went away, removing the old version should allow things to > go ok. > was it obsoleted away? -sv From notting at redhat.com Fri Oct 10 19:06:14 2003 From: notting at redhat.com (Bill Nottingham) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 15:06:14 -0400 Subject: Position Independent Executables (PIE) In-Reply-To: <3F86FFD2.6060801@gmx.de>; from shrek-m@gmx.de on Fri, Oct 10, 2003 at 08:52:02PM +0200 References: <3F86FFD2.6060801@gmx.de> Message-ID: <20031010150614.D16771@devserv.devel.redhat.com> shrek-m at gmx.de (shrek-m at gmx.de) said: > will this be included in other kernels too? It's in the Fedora kernel. Bill From ted at cypress.com Fri Oct 10 19:09:17 2003 From: ted at cypress.com (Thomas Dodd) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 14:09:17 -0500 Subject: Red Hat Professional Workstation In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3F8703DD.9050904@cypress.com> Edward C. Bailey wrote: >>>>>>"leam" == leam writes: > leam> So thre is a *new* product? I thought the advantage of RHEL WS was > leam> "same codebase" as the RHEL ES/AS; is the "Professional Workstation" > leam> in effect RH 10? > > No, it's not. So what is it Ed? There are like zero details on the Red Hat page. I don't even know where to buy it, what it costs, let alone whay I would be buying. -Thomas From steve at rueb.com Fri Oct 10 19:09:48 2003 From: steve at rueb.com (Steve Bergman) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 14:09:48 -0500 Subject: Red Hat Professional Workstation In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1065812988.7906.11.camel@ip68-12-228-23.ok.ok.cox.net> On Fri, 2003-10-10 at 13:46, leam wrote: > > Here's my understanding: > > > > Red Hat Enterprise Linux Workstation is meant for the enterprise > market; > > Red hat Professional Workstation is a retail-only product intended for > > individuals looking to use Linux personally (yeah, I can't figure out > why > > it says "Professional" in the name, either). Good. Leaving the retail market entirely would have been a mistake. The public seeing Redhat in boxes on store shelves is important. And, come on, if Redhat can't make money selling a boxed collection of community developed software in the $149.00 US range retail, well then, there's really something wrong. The longer release cycle should help the profit margin, too. Sometimes it's good for customer confidence to be able to hand the client an actual box with a CD, etc. (I pocket the bumper sticker, of course. ;-) From notting at redhat.com Fri Oct 10 19:10:29 2003 From: notting at redhat.com (Bill Nottingham) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 15:10:29 -0400 Subject: Yum: identical dependency loop exceeded In-Reply-To: <1065812674.31848.43.camel@opus>; from skvidal@phy.duke.edu on Fri, Oct 10, 2003 at 03:04:34PM -0400 References: <20031010153244.GA14931@tux.gsfc.nasa.gov> <1065804628.31848.21.camel@opus> <20031010173128.GA15343@tux.gsfc.nasa.gov> <1065807261.31846.38.camel@opus> <20031010150148.B16771@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1065812674.31848.43.camel@opus> Message-ID: <20031010151029.E16771@devserv.devel.redhat.com> seth vidal (skvidal at phy.duke.edu) said: > > > s/repository at Duke/rawhide/ > > > > dbus-qt went away, removing the old version should allow things to > > go ok. > > was it obsoleted away? Don't think so. Feel free to file a bug. :) Bill From nosp at xades.com Fri Oct 10 19:11:09 2003 From: nosp at xades.com (nosp) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 20:11:09 +0100 Subject: gaim update In-Reply-To: <1065812112.3922.8.camel@stantz.corp.sgi.com> References: <1065812112.3922.8.camel@stantz.corp.sgi.com> Message-ID: <1065813069.2564.26.camel@earth.xades.com> On Fri, 2003-10-10 at 19:55, Florin Andrei wrote: > Please update gaim in the Rawhide rep. to 0.71, as it fixes the issue > with Yahoo login. Seconded. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=106804 From xose at wanadoo.es Fri Oct 10 19:11:11 2003 From: xose at wanadoo.es (Xose Vazquez Perez) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 21:11:11 +0200 Subject: Position Independent Executables (PIE) References: <3F86FFD2.6060801@gmx.de> Message-ID: <3F87044F.8070308@wanadoo.es> shrek-m at gmx.de wrote: > will this be included in other kernels too? > > > http://www.networknews.co.uk/News/1143925 > > The RHEL 3 server operating system, due to ship within weeks, includes a > feature called Position Independent Executables (PIE). This is a > modification to the Linux kernel developed by Red Hat to reduce the > threat from worms and other buffer-overflow based attacks. I think that "Position Independent Executables (PIE)" is the same than mingo's work called exec-shield http://people.redhat.com/mingo/exec-shield . And it is included in Fedora. -- Software is like sex, it's better when it's bug free. From nosp at xades.com Fri Oct 10 19:14:25 2003 From: nosp at xades.com (nosp) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 20:14:25 +0100 Subject: DRI missing! In-Reply-To: <20031010190136.52936.qmail@web11008.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20031010190136.52936.qmail@web11008.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1065813264.2564.30.camel@earth.xades.com> On Fri, 2003-10-10 at 20:01, Michael Smith wrote: > Elton and Group, > > I my past experience with nVidia drivers for Linux, > gears does run, and runs very fast - something like > 10x compared with the non-nVidia driver. Yup -- as mentioned to Elton, glxgears runs fine after installing the nvidia drivers. However, I believe the original poster was seeing the DRI error message since a subsequently upgrade of the XF86 Mesa rpm caused glxgears to print out an error message about DRI being missing; it was then using the (slower) Mesa OpenGL libs instead of the accelerated nvidia drivers. From ed at redhat.com Fri Oct 10 19:16:47 2003 From: ed at redhat.com (Edward C. Bailey) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 15:16:47 -0400 Subject: Red Hat Professional Workstation In-Reply-To: <3F8703DD.9050904@cypress.com> (Thomas Dodd's message of "Fri, 10 Oct 2003 14:09:17 -0500") References: <3F8703DD.9050904@cypress.com> Message-ID: >>>>> "Thomas" == Thomas Dodd writes: Thomas> Edward C. Bailey wrote: >>>>>>> "leam" == leam writes: leam> So thre is a *new* product? I thought the advantage of RHEL WS was leam> "same codebase" as the RHEL ES/AS; is the "Professional Workstation" leam> in effect RH 10? >> No, it's not. Thomas> So what is it Ed? Thomas> There are like zero details on the Red Hat page. I don't even know Thomas> where to buy it, what it costs, let alone whay I would be buying. The information on that page represents 99% of my knowledge of the product. The other one percent was reflected in my comment above... :-) Ed -- Ed Bailey Red Hat, Inc. http://www.redhat.com/ From daniel-wittenberg at starken.com Fri Oct 10 19:21:19 2003 From: daniel-wittenberg at starken.com (Daniel Wittenberg) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 14:21:19 -0500 Subject: Red Hat Professional Workstation In-Reply-To: References: <3F8703DD.9050904@cypress.com> Message-ID: <1065813679.1942.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> I talked with my rep this morning, and this is what I got from the conversation: RH Prof. WS is pretty much RHEL WS, but without any support, and no guarantees on how long it'll be supported. Dan On Fri, 2003-10-10 at 14:16, Edward C. Bailey wrote: > >>>>> "Thomas" == Thomas Dodd writes: > > Thomas> Edward C. Bailey wrote: > >>>>>>> "leam" == leam writes: > leam> So thre is a *new* product? I thought the advantage of RHEL WS was > leam> "same codebase" as the RHEL ES/AS; is the "Professional Workstation" > leam> in effect RH 10? > >> No, it's not. > > Thomas> So what is it Ed? > > Thomas> There are like zero details on the Red Hat page. I don't even know > Thomas> where to buy it, what it costs, let alone whay I would be buying. > > The information on that page represents 99% of my knowledge of the > product. The other one percent was reflected in my comment above... :-) > > Ed -- ============================= Daniel Wittenberg RHCE+AS/IBM Certified Specialist President/CTO The Starken Group http://www.starken.com From jakub at redhat.com Fri Oct 10 19:29:19 2003 From: jakub at redhat.com (Jakub Jelinek) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 15:29:19 -0400 Subject: Position Independent Executables (PIE) In-Reply-To: <3F87044F.8070308@wanadoo.es>; from xose@wanadoo.es on Fri, Oct 10, 2003 at 09:11:11PM +0200 References: <3F86FFD2.6060801@gmx.de> <3F87044F.8070308@wanadoo.es> Message-ID: <20031010152919.W26086@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Fri, Oct 10, 2003 at 09:11:11PM +0200, Xose Vazquez Perez wrote: > shrek-m at gmx.de wrote: > > > will this be included in other kernels too? > > > > > > http://www.networknews.co.uk/News/1143925 > > > > The RHEL 3 server operating system, due to ship within weeks, includes a > > feature called Position Independent Executables (PIE). This is a > > modification to the Linux kernel developed by Red Hat to reduce the > > threat from worms and other buffer-overflow based attacks. > > I think that "Position Independent Executables (PIE)" is the same than > mingo's work called exec-shield http://people.redhat.com/mingo/exec-shield . > And it is included in Fedora. It is related, but not the same. Position Independent Executable is an ELF ET_DYN executable which can be loaded at any address kernel chooses (basically something in between normal executable and shared library). It is primarily a binutils/gcc/glibc thingie (see ld -pie option, gcc -pie, -fpie and -fPIE options). Without the exec-shield patch this is not much useful, you can run those PI binaries, but they will be loaded always at the same address. What exec-shield patch does is it randomizes the base address at which PIEs are loaded. Jakub From edwardam at interlix.com Fri Oct 10 20:06:42 2003 From: edwardam at interlix.com (Edward Muller) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 15:06:42 -0500 Subject: Java crashes thoug I export LD_ASSUME_KERNEL In-Reply-To: <200310101429.04134.elwoo@videotron.ca> References: <3F8400B5.6030609@epost.de> <200310081218.25383.elwoo@videotron.ca> <3F867EC2.1050202@epost.de> <200310101429.04134.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <1065816402.9792.132.camel@palin> On Fri, 2003-10-10 at 13:29, Elton Woo wrote: [snip] > Also the method of installing java is: > > 1) Append to the end of /etc/profile > JAVA_HOME=/usr/java/j2re1.4.2_01 > PATH=/usr/java/j2re1.4.2_01/bin:$PATH > This way java is available systemwide. I tend to create a java.sh file in /etc/profile.d with the following lines: export JAVA_HOME=/usr/java/j2sdk1.4.2_01 PATH=$PATH:$JAVA_HOME/bin If you use csh you will need to create java.csh instead. P.S. I really wish the sun rpms would do something like this. [snip] -- Edward Muller - http://www.interlix.com - "Open Source Specialists" Dedicated Zope Hosting - Web Hosting - Open Source Consulting Network & PC Service & Support - Custom Programming Phone: 417-862-0573 - Cell: 417-844-2435 - Fax: 417-862-0572 Jabber: edwardam at jabber.interlix.com - AIM: edwardam453 - ICQ: 287033 From elwoo at videotron.ca Fri Oct 10 20:08:42 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 16:08:42 -0400 Subject: DRI missing! In-Reply-To: <1065811762.2564.7.camel@earth.xades.com> References: <1065247917.6746.10.camel@Linux1> <200310101445.18876.elwoo@videotron.ca> <1065811762.2564.7.camel@earth.xades.com> Message-ID: <200310101608.42446.elwoo@videotron.ca> On October 10, 2003 02:49 pm, nosp > wrote: > On Fri, 2003-10-10 at 19:45, Elton Woo wrote: > > well, DRI is still commented out in my XF86Config, and I *haven't* > > done as you mentioned above. Yet, just running glxgears in a user > > console, and it runs....! > > Great -- my point was that though this is supposed to be the case, if it > isn't (GLX gears will run but will print out a message on the command > line about DRI being missing) then it's likely due to an upgrade of the > XF86 Mesa libs rpm since installing the nvidia binary driver. Not seeing any such errors here, and Xfree is *quite recent*, having been updated via RHN's beta channel (about a day or two ago...). I'm holding off on any more updates from RHN, as the channel is now changed to fedora 0.95 ... and the 3rd Severn beta (aka Fedora Core 2 / Test 3 release) is due on Monday. 13 Oct. See: http://fedora.redhat.com/participate/schedule/ Elton ;-) -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From louisg00 at bellsouth.net Fri Oct 10 20:16:47 2003 From: louisg00 at bellsouth.net (Louis Garcia) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 16:16:47 -0400 Subject: fedora-release-0.94-1 Message-ID: <1065817006.3671.1.camel@tiger> Anyone know were I can still get this packaged? All the mirrors seem to be updated to 0.95-1. --Lou From elwoo at videotron.ca Fri Oct 10 20:22:54 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 16:22:54 -0400 Subject: Red Hat Professional Workstation In-Reply-To: <20031010115317.32176740.jwendel@fnmoc.navy.mil> References: <200310101422.h9AEMjH28730@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <20031010115317.32176740.jwendel@fnmoc.navy.mil> Message-ID: <200310101622.54592.elwoo@videotron.ca> On October 10, 2003 02:53 pm, John Wendel > wrote: > Wellllll, would you buy "Red Hat Amateur Workstation". > > Sorry, I couldn't help myself! ... I would! ... after all I still consider myself an amateur! BTW: "amateur"comes from latin:"amatus" (lover). I love linux. ... I couldn't resist, either! LOL!! Elton ;-)) -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From nosp at xades.com Fri Oct 10 20:46:56 2003 From: nosp at xades.com (nosp) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 21:46:56 +0100 Subject: DRI missing! In-Reply-To: <200310101608.42446.elwoo@videotron.ca> References: <1065247917.6746.10.camel@Linux1> <200310101445.18876.elwoo@videotron.ca> <1065811762.2564.7.camel@earth.xades.com> <200310101608.42446.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <1065818815.7289.1.camel@earth.xades.com> On Fri, 2003-10-10 at 21:08, Elton Woo wrote: > Not seeing any such errors here, and Xfree is *quite recent*, having > been updated via RHN's beta channel (about a day or two ago...). Glad to hear it; after all, I could always be wrong. On the other hand, as you say Mesa (XFree86-Mesa-libGL-4.3.0-36) was signed on Oct 6 and includes /usr/X11R6/lib/tls/libGL.so.1, which would interfere with your nvidia driver installation (it certainly did with mine). From kodis at mail630.gsfc.nasa.gov Fri Oct 10 20:49:15 2003 From: kodis at mail630.gsfc.nasa.gov (John Kodis) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 16:49:15 -0400 Subject: Yum: identical dependency loop exceeded In-Reply-To: <20031010150148.B16771@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <20031010153244.GA14931@tux.gsfc.nasa.gov> <1065804628.31848.21.camel@opus> <20031010173128.GA15343@tux.gsfc.nasa.gov> <1065807261.31846.38.camel@opus> <20031010150148.B16771@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20031010204915.GA16188@tux.gsfc.nasa.gov> On Fri, Oct 10, 2003 at 03:01:48PM -0400, Bill Nottingham wrote: > dbus-qt went away, removing the old version should allow things to > go ok. That did the trick. Thanks. -- John Kodis. From bryan at redfedora.co.uk Fri Oct 10 20:51:43 2003 From: bryan at redfedora.co.uk (Bryan Hepworth) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 21:51:43 +0100 Subject: fedora-release-0.94-1 References: <1065817006.3671.1.camel@tiger> Message-ID: <012801c38f70$502d21b0$0301a8c0@BryanXP> > Anyone know were I can still get this packaged? All the mirrors seem to > be updated to 0.95-1. > > --Lou Some beers will assure a copy in the post from my originals :-) Bry From alan at clueserver.org Fri Oct 10 21:06:05 2003 From: alan at clueserver.org (Alan) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 14:06:05 -0700 Subject: battery app using much cpu In-Reply-To: <3F84DC79.6060208@gci.net> References: <3F84DC79.6060208@gci.net> Message-ID: <1065819965.10642.1.camel@zontar.clueserver.org> On Wed, 2003-10-08 at 20:56, Shawn Houston wrote: > I installed Fedora Core, Severn, on my Averatec 3150HS laptop. I got > pretty much everything but the sleep function working. > > I added the battery applet to my Gnome task bar, and under kernel > 2.4.22-1.2062.nptl top show 8.8% cpu used by this app. A lot, but > bearable. Under kernel 2.4.22-1.2087.nptl this jumps to 49%! I am > guessing that some bad programming in the battery app is to blame, the > new kernel just makes it show better. > > Anyone else see this? Yes. It was caused on my machine by having a laptop that did not like acpi. Try using apm instead and see what happens. Yes, it is a bad solution, but it worked for me... -- alan at clueserver.org - alan at ctrl-alt-del.com "...new-fangled and artificial treasons have been the great engines by which violent factions, the natural offspring of free government, have usually wreaked their alternate malignity on each other...." - James Madison in The Federalist No. 43, From louisg00 at bellsouth.net Fri Oct 10 21:17:26 2003 From: louisg00 at bellsouth.net (Louis Garcia) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 17:17:26 -0400 Subject: What happen to the bluecurve icons? Message-ID: <1065820646.4187.2.camel@tiger> just updated today and noticed the some icons are missing. Like the nautilus window bar icons are back to gnome default. --Lou From jgeorgeson at lopht.net Fri Oct 10 21:17:09 2003 From: jgeorgeson at lopht.net (Justin Georgeson) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 16:17:09 -0500 Subject: battery app using much cpu References: <3F84DC79.6060208@gci.net> <1065819965.10642.1.camel@zontar.clueserver.org> Message-ID: <3F8721D5.9030907@lopht.net> Alan wrote: > On Wed, 2003-10-08 at 20:56, Shawn Houston wrote: > >>I installed Fedora Core, Severn, on my Averatec 3150HS laptop. I got >>pretty much everything but the sleep function working. >> >>I added the battery applet to my Gnome task bar, and under kernel >>2.4.22-1.2062.nptl top show 8.8% cpu used by this app. A lot, but >>bearable. Under kernel 2.4.22-1.2087.nptl this jumps to 49%! I am >>guessing that some bad programming in the battery app is to blame, the >>new kernel just makes it show better. >> >>Anyone else see this? > > > Yes. It was caused on my machine by having a laptop that did not like > acpi. Try using apm instead and see what happens. > > Yes, it is a bad solution, but it worked for me... > > Does the battery applet still cause the system clock to run slow like it did in RH 8/9? From louisg00 at bellsouth.net Fri Oct 10 21:18:42 2003 From: louisg00 at bellsouth.net (Louis Garcia) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 17:18:42 -0400 Subject: fedora-release-0.94-1 In-Reply-To: <1065817006.3671.1.camel@tiger> References: <1065817006.3671.1.camel@tiger> Message-ID: <1065820722.4187.4.camel@tiger> I found the package on a mirror that didn't sync yet. --Thanks On Fri, 2003-10-10 at 16:16, Louis Garcia wrote: > Anyone know were I can still get this packaged? All the mirrors seem to > be updated to 0.95-1. > > --Lou From rpjday at mindspring.com Fri Oct 10 21:11:00 2003 From: rpjday at mindspring.com (Robert P. J. Day) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 17:11:00 -0400 (EDT) Subject: what to use instead of tripwire? Message-ID: since tripwire has been removed due to "developer resource constraints", what are people using instead for file integrity checking? rday From stephen at skmoore.com Fri Oct 10 21:27:17 2003 From: stephen at skmoore.com (Stephen Moore) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 07:27:17 +1000 Subject: New RHGB in rawhide In-Reply-To: <1065622612.2014.4.camel@bart.netlyncs.com> References: <1065622612.2014.4.camel@bart.netlyncs.com> Message-ID: <3F872435.3010804@skmoore.com> I like it a lot also, however it does not play well on dual head. It would be better if the window was not centered. Mike Chambers wrote: >Upgraded rhgb from rawhide this morning and rebooted. WOW, nice graphic >change and seemed to work with no problems. > >Nice job Garrett (if that was you), or whoever is responsible :) > > > -- ??? From leam at reuel.net Fri Oct 10 21:31:07 2003 From: leam at reuel.net (leam) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 17:31:07 -0400 Subject: What are consequences of "merger necessitates removal of ... In-Reply-To: <200310101615.h9AGFgx31402@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <200310101615.h9AGFgx31402@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <3F87251B.6050904@reuel.net> Alan Cox wrote: >>is the GPL on MySQL libs (not LGLP), is keeping MySQL at an old version >>too. That make some sense, since I can see people creating commercial > > > Thats also because the new mysql can't be combined with PHP. Can someone point me to the reference for this? I'd like to read up but spare everyone the questions that spring to mind that are likely already answered. ciao! leam From fmerenda at yahoo.com Fri Oct 10 21:35:52 2003 From: fmerenda at yahoo.com (Frank Merenda) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 14:35:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: I'm buying beer for the RedHat/Fedora development team - Nov 4th-7th! Message-ID: <20031010213552.51764.qmail@web13807.mail.yahoo.com> All, First, sorry for the off-topic post. :) As a show of appreciation to those of you who are located in or near Raleigh, NC and working on the Fedora release or are a developer working for RedHat, I'd like to invite you all out for a beer, on me! I'll be in Raleigh from Nov 4th to the 7th for a course to brush up on some skills I missed along the way. It's totally casual. I just wanted to give a personal 'Thanks!' to the folks near Raleigh while I was there. It's more rewarding than just subscribing to RHN, but I do that, also... Plus, of course, it's an excuse to drink beer. :) Oh, and for those of you working on this that are *NOT* near Raleigh, if I'm ever near where *YOU* are, I'll buy you a beer then! :) If anyone wants to do this we can coordinate off the mailing list, just email me at fmerenda at yahoo.com. Take care everyone, and keep up the great work. Fedora just keeps getting better and better! ===== - Frank Merenda Author - Uptime - http://www.steidler.net/uptime/ -a community based Linux blog and newsletter- Registered Linux User #234428 - http://counter.li.org webmaster - Humane Society of Jackson County - http://www.hsjc.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From garrett at redhat.com Fri Oct 10 21:37:32 2003 From: garrett at redhat.com (Garrett LeSage) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 17:37:32 -0400 Subject: spinner gone with latest updates In-Reply-To: <200310101441.15901.elwoo@videotron.ca> References: <1065763097.3716.2.camel@tiger> <1065764584.7540.2.camel@tiger> <1065773551.22938.421.camel@localhost.localdomain> <200310101441.15901.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <3F87269C.7030201@redhat.com> Elton Woo wrote: >On October 10, 2003 04:12 am, Alexander Larsson > wrote: > > >>>The throbber looks empty when theirs nothing happening. When their is >>>activity theirs a circular blue thing going in circles. Is this right? >>> >>> >>Yes. This is how it was designed. >> >> >... and very nicely done, too! ... as is the new graphical boot. > > Thanks. (: Both are probably going to get a bit more tweaked before things are said and done too. Garrett From Epps.Aaron at mayo.edu Fri Oct 10 18:05:57 2003 From: Epps.Aaron at mayo.edu (Epps, Aaron M.) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 13:05:57 -0500 Subject: [FEDORA] Browsing Samba in Nautilus Message-ID: Does Red Hat plan to have smb:/// in Nautilus work for a default install? I've always had to do some Iptable tweaking to get Network browsing to work correctly. -----Original Message----- From: Christopher A. Williams [mailto:chrisw01 at privatei.com] Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 1:02 PM To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com Subject: Re: [FEDORA] Browsing Samba in Nautilus On Fri, 2003-10-10 at 11:40, shrek-m at gmx.de wrote: > > try this: > > > $ nmblookup -M -- - > querying __MSBROWSE__ on 192.168.101.255 > 192.168.101.12 __MSBROWSE__<01> > > if you have an MasterBrowser smb:/// works OK - the odd thing here is I just ran all of the updates for today and now browsing with smb:/// works. ...BUT my Windows VMs are not able to connect with any of the shares on he main Saba server. At least they can see it now, so there has been some improvement. All of this with *no* further changes to my smb.conf file. > > do you have ? > encrypt password = yes Yes, this is the default setting according to the documentation, but I have it in there anyway. > > if you have multiple interfaces you need evtl something like this: > interfaces = 192.168.0.0/24 192.168.10.0/24 > > vmware? > $ cat /etc/vmware/vmnet1/smb/smb.conf > Actually, I use VMware's preferred method of CIFS file sharing, which is to use the instance of Samba provided with the host OS. I turn off VMware's samba server intentionally. > under rh8.0 samba became immediately MBrowser under FC-test2 samba > needs 5-6 minutes to start this election > > > try it with different settings, here is my result under fc-test2 > > ;encrypt ;interfaces --> no smb:/// encrypt ;interfaces --> > smb:/// works after 5-6 min encrypt interfaces --> smb:/// works > after 5-6 min > Interesting test. I will look into this part further. AFAIK, I was still having problems with browsing even after a couple of hours. I confirmed at that time the nmbd.log file showed the samba server had become the master browser. We'll keep trying though! Chris -- ==================================== "If you get to thinkin' you're a person of some influence, try orderin' someone else's dog around." --Cowboy Wisdom -- fedora-test-list mailing list fedora-test-list at redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From markkukolkka at kolumbus.fi Fri Oct 10 21:42:12 2003 From: markkukolkka at kolumbus.fi (Markku Kolkka) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 00:42:12 +0300 Subject: MySQL-4 In-Reply-To: <3F86F43E.1040003@cypress.com> References: <3F86F43E.1040003@cypress.com> Message-ID: <200310110042.12352.markkukolkka@kolumbus.fi> Viestiss? Perjantai 10. Lokakuuta 2003 21:02, Thomas Dodd kirjoitti: > >>> is the GPL on MySQL libs (not LGLP), is keeping MySQL at an old version > >>> too. That make some sense, since I can see people creating commercial > > > > Thats also because the new mysql can't be combined with PHP. > > Any pointers on that? http://www.fsf.org/licenses/license-list.html#GPLIncompatibleLicenses The PHP license is listed as GPL-incompatible, so GPLed MySQL libraries can't be linked with PHP code. -- Markku Kolkka markku.kolkka at iki.fi From alan at redhat.com Fri Oct 10 21:44:18 2003 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 17:44:18 -0400 (EDT) Subject: advanced configuration options in redhar-config-xfree86 In-Reply-To: <3F86F6A9.3080402@postnewspapers.com.au> from "Craig Ringer" at Hyd 11, 2003 02:12:57 Message-ID: <200310102144.h9ALiI812138@devserv.devel.redhat.com> > I seem to remember seeing something on develxfree86.org about plans > to allow configuration of a _preferred_ refresh rate, to prevent the X > server from picking a stupidly high-res 60Hz mode instead of a > higher-refresh lower-res mode. I think it had something to do with the It effectively already does - just report 72Hz as the minimum for your monitor range and you are ok From paul.morgan at jumanjihouse.com Fri Oct 10 23:21:20 2003 From: paul.morgan at jumanjihouse.com (Paul Morgan) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 18:21:20 -0500 Subject: System now thinks it is Severn release 0.95 In-Reply-To: <200310101224.57865.czar@czarc.net> References: <1065800039.4759.7.camel@blue.comcast.net> <3F86D2BA.50003@iprimus.com.au> <20031010120115.I4171@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <200310101224.57865.czar@czarc.net> Message-ID: <1065828080.5195.2.camel@vaio.jumanjihouse.com> On Fri, 2003-10-10 at 11:24, Gene C. wrote: > It would be useful to have up2date NOT delete packages > after they are installed. run up2date-config (with or without --nox option) and change option to keep packages after install. From paul.morgan at jumanjihouse.com Fri Oct 10 23:23:50 2003 From: paul.morgan at jumanjihouse.com (Paul Morgan) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 18:23:50 -0500 Subject: what to use instead of tripwire? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1065828230.5195.5.camel@vaio.jumanjihouse.com> On Fri, 2003-10-10 at 16:11, Robert P. J. Day wrote: > since tripwire has been removed due to "developer resource > constraints", what are people using instead for file integrity > checking? aide has been recommended to me, but i haven't looked at it yet: http://www.cs.tut.fi/~rammer/aide.html From shrek-m at gmx.de Fri Oct 10 23:31:39 2003 From: shrek-m at gmx.de (shrek-m at gmx.de) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 01:31:39 +0200 Subject: Position Independent Executables (PIE) In-Reply-To: <20031010152919.W26086@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <3F86FFD2.6060801@gmx.de> <3F87044F.8070308@wanadoo.es> <20031010152919.W26086@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <3F87415B.90402@gmx.de> Jakub Jelinek wrote: >On Fri, Oct 10, 2003 at 09:11:11PM +0200, Xose Vazquez Perez wrote: > > >>shrek-m at gmx.de wrote: >> >>>will this be included in other kernels too? >>> >>>http://www.networknews.co.uk/News/1143925 >>> >>>The RHEL 3 server operating system, due to ship within weeks, includes a >>>feature called Position Independent Executables (PIE). This is a >>>modification to the Linux kernel developed by Red Hat to reduce the >>>threat from worms and other buffer-overflow based attacks. >>> >>> >>I think that "Position Independent Executables (PIE)" is the same than >>mingo's work called exec-shield http://people.redhat.com/mingo/exec-shield . >>And it is included in Fedora. >> >> >It is related, but not the same. >Position Independent Executable is an ELF ET_DYN executable which can be loaded >at any address kernel chooses (basically something in between normal >executable and shared library). It is primarily a binutils/gcc/glibc thingie >(see ld -pie option, gcc -pie, -fpie and -fPIE options). >Without the exec-shield patch this is not much useful, you can run those >PI binaries, but they will be loaded always at the same address. >What exec-shield patch does is it randomizes the base address at which >PIEs are loaded. > > thanks, RTFRN, RTFM :-[ http://fedora.redhat.com/docs/release-notes/ -- shrek-m From paul at frields.com Fri Oct 10 23:56:28 2003 From: paul at frields.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 19:56:28 -0400 Subject: up2date problem? Message-ID: <1065830188.5407.14.camel@bettie.internal.frields.org> Just upgraded to up2date-4.1.5-1 (about 30 sec ago)... progress dialog is frozen at the "Testing package set / solving RPM inter-dependencies" stage. There are a large number of entries in the main dialog for Canna-3.6-22, I can't tell how many due to the modality of the progress dialog. The /etc/sysconfig/rhn/sources file has commented out the default line for "up2date default", and instead only has a persistent directive for "yum rawhide http://ftp.redhat.com/pub/redhat/linux/rawhide/". Changing the directive back to the default and re-running up2date fixed the problem, apparently, since the update is now working correctly. I just added to bugzilla, in case anyone wants to comment: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=106825 -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE From paul at frields.com Sat Oct 11 00:09:38 2003 From: paul at frields.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 20:09:38 -0400 Subject: New gdm theme in redhat-artwork Message-ID: <1065830978.2478.1.camel@bettie.internal.frields.org> Nice work, Jonathan (and of course Jiri). Understated and elegant, and is a nice companion to the rhgb stuff. -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE From jeremyp at pobox.com Sat Oct 11 01:24:41 2003 From: jeremyp at pobox.com (Jeremy Portzer) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 21:24:41 -0400 (EDT) Subject: up2date problem? In-Reply-To: <1065830188.5407.14.camel@bettie.internal.frields.org> Message-ID: On Fri, 10 Oct 2003, Paul W. Frields wrote: > Just upgraded to up2date-4.1.5-1 (about 30 sec ago)... progress dialog > is frozen at the "Testing package set / solving RPM inter-dependencies" > stage. There are a large number of entries in the main dialog for > Canna-3.6-22, I can't tell how many due to the modality of the progress > dialog. 30 seconds is not nearly enough time for this process on my system. It takes at least 2-3 minutes, if updating a "virgin" system, and that's on a system with a 600 MHz processor, which isn't THAT slow. So I'd say give it time. > The /etc/sysconfig/rhn/sources file has commented out the default line > for "up2date default", and instead only has a persistent directive for > "yum rawhide http://ftp.redhat.com/pub/redhat/linux/rawhide/". > > Changing the directive back to the default and re-running up2date fixed > the problem, apparently, since the update is now working correctly. This may not be a bug, but intended behavior. --Jeremy -- /---------------------------------------------------------------------\ | Jeremy Portzer jeremyp at pobox.com trilug.org/~jeremy | | GPG Fingerprint: 712D 77C7 AB2D 2130 989F E135 6F9F F7BC CC1A 7B92 | \---------------------------------------------------------------------/ From JDrabb at tampabay.rr.com Sat Oct 11 01:14:29 2003 From: JDrabb at tampabay.rr.com (James Drabb) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 21:14:29 -0400 Subject: redhat-install-packages Message-ID: <1065834868.5545.9.camel@keelie.darden.com> I get this message when I try to run redhat-install-packages: Your account does not have permissions to run redhat-install-packages Administrator level permissions are needed to run this program because it can install and remove system packages. Normally when I run other admin type packages as a normal user, I get prompeted for the root password. Is there anyway to turn this functionality back on for redhat-install-packages? Jim Drabb -- James Drabb Senior Programmer Analyst Davenport, FL USA From JDrabb at tampabay.rr.com Sat Oct 11 01:47:42 2003 From: JDrabb at tampabay.rr.com (James Drabb) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 21:47:42 -0400 Subject: Evolution Cruft Message-ID: <1065836861.7800.3.camel@keelie.darden.com> I am running Fedora Core 2 with evolution-1.4.5-2. When ever I close evolution, evolution-alarm-notify and evolution-wombat remain running. Is this a bug or a feature? I would think that when I close evolution, it would close completely. Now, if I close evolution and then log out, evolution-alarm-notify and evolution-wombat both get added to my gnome session and then gnome tries to start them back up when I log back in. I have "auto save session" enabled which I guess I could disable, though I would think that evolution should close out entirely. Jim Drabb -- James Drabb Senior Programmer Analyst Davenport, FL USA From JDrabb at tampabay.rr.com Sat Oct 11 01:14:28 2003 From: JDrabb at tampabay.rr.com (James Drabb) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 21:14:28 -0400 Subject: redhat-install-packages Message-ID: <1065834868.5545.8.camel@keelie.darden.com> I get this message when I try to run redhat-install-packages: Your account does not have permissions to run redhat-install-packages Administrator level permissions are needed to run this program because it can install and remove system packages. Normally when I run other admin type packages as a normal user, I get prompeted for the root password. Is there anyway to turn this functionality back on for redhat-install-packages? Jim Drabb -- James Drabb Senior Programmer Analyst Davenport, FL USA From whooperhsd3 at earthlink.net Sat Oct 11 01:45:59 2003 From: whooperhsd3 at earthlink.net (William Hooper) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 21:45:59 -0400 (EDT) Subject: System now thinks it is Severn release 0.95 In-Reply-To: <200310101312.07861.czar@czarc.net> References: <1065800039.4759.7.camel@blue.comcast.net> <200310101224.57865.czar@czarc.net> <20031010123407.A4177@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <200310101312.07861.czar@czarc.net> Message-ID: <65035.65.40.134.44.1065836759.squirrel@whooper.org> Gene C. said: > On Friday 10 October 2003 12:34, Bill Nottingham wrote: >> They are slightly different at the moment; it will settle out over >> time (the trees are pushed at a slightly different date.) > > OK, if I understand what is implied here ... > > What you are working toward and will use in the next beta round (0.95) is > to > have the base release in rhn but then to use rawhide as the source for > updates rather than having both rawhide AND a separate servern-updates > subchannel. If this is the intent/direction, it makes sense to me and > should > save time/aggravation for Red Hat folks. Severn-updates and Rawhide have been the same tree since day one: http://www.redhat.com/archives/rhl-beta-list/2003-August/msg01351.html "RHN now has a channel populated with Severn updates. It's a great way to keep up with the bleeding edge of development, aka Rawhide." -- William Hooper From pandemic at syn-recon.net Sat Oct 11 01:45:30 2003 From: pandemic at syn-recon.net (Florian Hines) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 20:45:30 -0500 Subject: what to use instead of tripwire? In-Reply-To: <1065828230.5195.5.camel@vaio.jumanjihouse.com> Message-ID: <000701c38f99$5fc6acd0$0b01a8c0@D611017> Tripwire from source wont work ? #-----Original Message----- #From: fedora-test-list-admin at redhat.com #[mailto:fedora-test-list-admin at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Paul Morgan #Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 6:24 PM #To: Fedora Test #Subject: Re: what to use instead of tripwire? # # #On Fri, 2003-10-10 at 16:11, Robert P. J. Day wrote: #> since tripwire has been removed due to "developer resource #> constraints", what are people using instead for file integrity #> checking? # #aide has been recommended to me, but i haven't looked at it #yet: http://www.cs.tut.fi/~rammer/aide.html # # #-- #fedora-test-list mailing list #fedora-test-list at redhat.com #http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-#test-list # From gstool at earthlink.net Sat Oct 11 00:58:36 2003 From: gstool at earthlink.net (Gerry Tool) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 19:58:36 -0500 Subject: up2date problem? In-Reply-To: <1065830188.5407.14.camel@bettie.internal.frields.org> References: <1065830188.5407.14.camel@bettie.internal.frields.org> Message-ID: <1065833915.6082.2.camel@gstpc.earthlink.net> On Fri, 2003-10-10 at 18:56, Paul W. Frields wrote: > Just upgraded to up2date-4.1.5-1 (about 30 sec ago)... progress dialog > is frozen at the "Testing package set / solving RPM inter-dependencies" > stage. There are a large number of entries in the main dialog for > Canna-3.6-22, I can't tell how many due to the modality of the progress > dialog. > > The /etc/sysconfig/rhn/sources file has commented out the default line > for "up2date default", and instead only has a persistent directive for > "yum rawhide http://ftp.redhat.com/pub/redhat/linux/rawhide/". > > Changing the directive back to the default and re-running up2date fixed > the problem, apparently, since the update is now working correctly. > > I just added to bugzilla, in case anyone wants to comment: > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=106825 Had similar occurrence, but restarted with all selected including fedora-release-0.95 and all worked. Now only channel available is rawhide, but all seems to be working correctly now. Added comment to your bug report. Gerry Tool From ms-nospam-0306 at arcor.de Sat Oct 11 02:20:03 2003 From: ms-nospam-0306 at arcor.de (Michael Schwendt) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 04:20:03 +0200 Subject: what to use instead of tripwire? In-Reply-To: <1065828230.5195.5.camel@vaio.jumanjihouse.com> References: <1065828230.5195.5.camel@vaio.jumanjihouse.com> Message-ID: <20031011042003.1042772d.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, 10 Oct 2003 18:23:50 -0500, Paul Morgan wrote: > On Fri, 2003-10-10 at 16:11, Robert P. J. Day wrote: > > since tripwire has been removed due to "developer resource > > constraints", what are people using instead for file integrity > > checking? > > aide has been recommended to me, but i haven't looked at it yet: > http://www.cs.tut.fi/~rammer/aide.html I have a moderately packaged AIDE src.rpm in the fedora.us queue. Feedback appreciated. https://bugzilla.fedora.us/show_bug.cgi?id=691 - -- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/h2jT0iMVcrivHFQRApGoAJ9jvJbkT5ePMC4OlQhj50mObi76mwCcDYGL KoqQTCDGdLj76NdKEDAPNPQ= =rISe -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From elwoo at videotron.ca Sat Oct 11 03:51:06 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 23:51:06 -0400 Subject: KDE desktop: not many here using it? In-Reply-To: <3F86BD7C.1000508@fnal.gov> References: <3F86BD7C.1000508@fnal.gov> Message-ID: <200310102351.06659.elwoo@videotron.ca> On October 10, 2003 10:09 am, Troy Dawson > wrote: > If we are wanting RedHat to fix a part of KDE, I vote for KAppfinder, which > has been deliberatly taken out of KDE ever since RedHat started shipping > with KDE. It's fairly simple to put back in, simply take out the RedHat > patch that takes it out. > That's the one feature that I get requests for. In that case, why not enter a RFE in bugzilla? The third beta is due out on Monday next, and the final release is supposed to be out on the 3rd November. Elton ;-) -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From elwoo at videotron.ca Sat Oct 11 03:58:50 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 23:58:50 -0400 Subject: RealOne link Message-ID: <200310102358.50768.elwoo@videotron.ca> My apologies to the list. I missed entering the link for RealAudio9 aka RealOne for Linux. Here it is: http://cambuca.ldhs.cetuc.puc-rio.br/xine/ For those who still prefer RealAudio8, it's also available at this site. Elton ;-) -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From redhat-jc at insight.rr.com Sat Oct 11 04:36:25 2003 From: redhat-jc at insight.rr.com (Jim Cornette) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 00:36:25 -0400 Subject: How to setup ..... (really documentation) In-Reply-To: <20031008083531.GC15732@aloss.ukuu.org.uk> References: <1065479567.4495.0.camel@techbyte.com.br> <200310070957.26250.hoyt@cavtel.net> <20031007153206.GA13195@orient.maison> <200310071552.39996.hoyt@cavtel.net> <3F836BE5.2050302@insight.rr.com> <20031008083531.GC15732@aloss.ukuu.org.uk> Message-ID: <3F8788C9.1090203@insight.rr.com> Telsa Gwynne wrote: > I missed the start of this thread, since the subject line says > nothing about documentation at all. So I am diving in with not > much context. > > On Tue, Oct 07, 2003 at 09:44:05PM -0400 or thereabouts, Jim Cornette wrote: > >>For finding the particular documentation, a search engine of some type >>has worked for our operation. I launch IE through some code in M$ Access. This code is associated to the part numbers for each product sold. I basically launch IE to find my information page. (list of steps needed to keep product current, formatted in HTML.) From there are links that when clicked will open files that are associated to applications. I was thinking that a basic info page could be developed for each program (getting its information from the application program name argument. (argc or argv, been to long out of toying with programming.) This could launch the info page for each application. Then you will be able to launch the files by clicking on the link within the information page. Using a visual shell such as mc might give good results. But for the link pages, something like lynx as an engine could be tried. Whatever is used for the purpose, it should be compatible with the command line, if possible Then a GUI engine and file launcher can be used. Nautilus has both browser and file association capabilities. It sounds easier to get this to work with a filter, application launcher, etc: But for the blind and those using the termnal alone, basic non-gui programs seem to be the best choice. I think that a search engine that brings >>up the basic intro for a program or process would be a handy feature. >>This would allow a uniform starting point. Then the differences with the >>formats can be addressed through links that will launch a program that >>will read the documentations. > > > Are you describing scrollkeeper here? > > http://scrollkeeper.sourceforge.net I checked it out, then tried to search for an item. I came back with no results online. I couldn't figure out how to use scrollkeeper for anything yet. It doesn't appear to be useful for anything. Something like htdig on a local machine might be more inline with what I was referring to. Find the link, click on it, get lists of links to documentation. > > Used by KDE and Gnome and thus already shipped on distros which > carry either of them. > > Telsa I just tried out the help file. I aven't tried it out for awhile. This works pretty much as I was describing. I only looked up information on grub. It showed information that I was asking about. I then right clicked on the battery ICON and on a few other applets, then chose help. It launched the right documentaton for the application. Great job on those features for finding help. The help menus on the applications are great also. I've avoided using the help feature because of working on the other OS. RH help seems to be useful. It is not a deadend. I didn't start the offshoot for the documetation. But it was a large departured thread. Just shooting out some ideas for helping all users navigate and find what is helpful information. Jim -- Dreams are free, but you get soaked on the connect time. From angela at kahealani.com Sat Oct 11 04:53:14 2003 From: angela at kahealani.com (Angela Kahealani) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 18:53:14 -1000 Subject: RH9 to Fedora migration Message-ID: <3F878CAC.8F2D659E@kahealani.com> Is it possible, and if so where is it documented, to change / update / add-to the set of repositories visited by up2date to cause up2date to work from fedora RPMs, instead of having to burn install CDs of fedora and install it over RH9? In, other words, is it possible to update from RH9 to Fedora, or is installation required? -- Copyright 2003 Angela Kahealani. All rights reserved without prejudice; UCC1-207. All information and transactions are non negotiable and are private between the parties. http://www.kahealani.com/ From jeremyp at pobox.com Sat Oct 11 05:23:05 2003 From: jeremyp at pobox.com (Jeremy Portzer) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 01:23:05 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Evolution Cruft In-Reply-To: <1065836861.7800.3.camel@keelie.darden.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 10 Oct 2003, James Drabb wrote: > I am running Fedora Core 2 with evolution-1.4.5-2. You mean Severn/FC test2. Fedora Core 2 will be the second full release of Fedora Core; Fedora Core 1 isn't even out yet. > When ever I close evolution, evolution-alarm-notify and evolution-wombat > remain running. Is this a bug or a feature? I would think that when I > close evolution, it would close completely. Now, if I close evolution > and then log out, evolution-alarm-notify and evolution-wombat both get > added to my gnome session and then gnome tries to start them back up > when I log back in. I have "auto save session" enabled which I guess I > could disable, though I would think that evolution should close out > entirely. This is a feature, and I think evolution has always done this (nothing new to Severn about this). As you might guess "evolution-alarm-notify" is there to notify you about alarms that you might have set in your calendar. If this wasn't running, you wouldn't get notified about calendar alarms. It doesn't cause any problems in my experience, though I suppose if you never use the alarm feature you could look into disabling it. --Jeremy -- /---------------------------------------------------------------------\ | Jeremy Portzer jeremyp at pobox.com trilug.org/~jeremy | | GPG Fingerprint: 712D 77C7 AB2D 2130 989F E135 6F9F F7BC CC1A 7B92 | \---------------------------------------------------------------------/ From cochranb at speakeasy.net Sat Oct 11 05:28:43 2003 From: cochranb at speakeasy.net (Robert L Cochran) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 01:28:43 -0400 Subject: Programatically Finding Integer Size Message-ID: <3F87950B.8020009@speakeasy.net> I'm learning C++. Can someone tell me the accepted way to programatically determine the size of integers on a given system using C++? (The learning process seems to be slower than I want it to be. By the time I get to be good with C++, it will probably be obsolete.) Thanks Bob -- Bob Cochran Greenbelt, Maryland, USA http://greenbeltcomputer.biz/ From cochranb at speakeasy.net Sat Oct 11 05:44:34 2003 From: cochranb at speakeasy.net (Robert L Cochran) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 01:44:34 -0400 Subject: RH9 to Fedora migration In-Reply-To: <3F878CAC.8F2D659E@kahealani.com> References: <3F878CAC.8F2D659E@kahealani.com> Message-ID: <3F8798C2.4080508@speakeasy.net> I don't have the answer to your question. I presume you want to avoid the painful download times to get CDs, not to mention competing for ftp server bandwidth shortly after a release. So, without answering your question, can I mention that Bittorrent is really, really good for downloading huge files like ISOs? You can get a download started immediately, and it works very efficiently. I'll take Bittorrent any day if it is available for downloading a desired CD. It beats ftp servers! Bob Angela Kahealani wrote: > Is it possible, and if so where is it documented, > to change / update / add-to the set of repositories visited by up2date > to cause up2date to work from fedora RPMs, instead of having to burn > install CDs of fedora and install it over RH9? In, other words, > is it possible to update from RH9 to Fedora, or is installation required? -- Bob Cochran Greenbelt, Maryland, USA http://greenbeltcomputer.biz/ From jimhayward at earthlink.net Sat Oct 11 05:58:00 2003 From: jimhayward at earthlink.net (Jim Hayward) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 22:58:00 -0700 Subject: Programatically Finding Integer Size In-Reply-To: <3F87950B.8020009@speakeasy.net> References: <3F87950B.8020009@speakeasy.net> Message-ID: <1065851880.13156.49.camel@garfield.linux.localdomain> On Fri, 2003-10-10 at 22:28, Robert L Cochran wrote: > I'm learning C++. Can someone tell me the accepted way to > programatically determine the size of integers on a given system using C++? Just like C use the sizeof operator... cout << "sizeof (int) is " << sizeof (int) << " bytes.\n"; If you are using sizeof with a type enclose the type in parentheses. If you are using sizeof with a variable name the parentheses are optional. > (The learning process seems to be slower than I want it to be. By the > time I get to be good with C++, it will probably be obsolete.) It always happens that way. Right after you get good at something some "expert" will come a long and decide it is obsolete. :-/ Regards, Jim H From jgeorgeson at lopht.net Sat Oct 11 05:58:40 2003 From: jgeorgeson at lopht.net (Justin Georgeson) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 00:58:40 -0500 Subject: Programatically Finding Integer Size In-Reply-To: <3F87950B.8020009@speakeasy.net> References: <3F87950B.8020009@speakeasy.net> Message-ID: <3F879C10.9060409@lopht.net> sizeof(int) You might want to check out the comp.lang.c++ and alt.com.lang.learn.c-c++ newsgroups for these sorts of questions. Robert L Cochran wrote: > I'm learning C++. Can someone tell me the accepted way to > programatically determine the size of integers on a given system using C++? > > (The learning process seems to be slower than I want it to be. By the > time I get to be good with C++, it will probably be obsolete.) > > > Thanks > > Bob > -- ; Justin Georgeson ; http://www.lopht.net ; mailto:jgeorgeson at lopht.net ; "Free the mallocs, delete the news" From grant at tuins.ac.jp Sat Oct 11 06:36:58 2003 From: grant at tuins.ac.jp (rg) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 15:36:58 +0900 Subject: customzing installation cds In-Reply-To: <200310102358.50768.elwoo@videotron.ca> References: <200310102358.50768.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <3F87A50A.3020301@tuins.ac.jp> Once the post-beta version is out, how can one create their own customized cds - you know, a sort of cut down version (2-cds?). I was thinking of just cutting out all the server-side stuff. Of course, I am not looking for a full answer here, but... point me to some pertinent docs? I I sort of remember something to this effect from the RH8 days, but I can't find anything now. ralston From rpjday at mindspring.com Sat Oct 11 06:44:33 2003 From: rpjday at mindspring.com (Robert P. J. Day) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 02:44:33 -0400 (EDT) Subject: what to use instead of tripwire? In-Reply-To: <000701c38f99$5fc6acd0$0b01a8c0@D611017> Message-ID: On Fri, 10 Oct 2003, Florian Hines wrote: > Tripwire from source wont work ? sorry, let me rephrase that. now that tripwire is not shipped *automatically* with fedora, is there an alternate file integrity checker covered by the GPL that would be a good replacement? rday From wzhjbj at ccoss.com.cn Sat Oct 11 06:52:47 2003 From: wzhjbj at ccoss.com.cn (Steven Wang) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 14:52:47 +0800 Subject: How to regenerate hdlist and hdlist2 file on Fadora 9.0.94 Message-ID: <200310110653.h9B6raM26942@mx1.redhat.com> Hai every one,I want to rebuild Fadora cds after update some rpm balls,but I can't generated right hdlist and hdlist2 file.How can I generate a right file? ????????Steven Wang ????????wzhjbj at ccoss.com.cn ??????????2003-10-11 From mandreiana at rdslink.ro Sat Oct 11 08:12:46 2003 From: mandreiana at rdslink.ro (Marius Andreiana) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 11:12:46 +0300 Subject: gdm login ignores /etc/profile? In-Reply-To: <1065786894.3616.6.camel@localhost> References: <1065783388.5036.30.camel@marte.biciclete.ro> <1065786894.3616.6.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <1065859966.5036.1.camel@marte.biciclete.ro> On Vi, 2003-10-10 at 14:54, David Eduardo Gomez Noguera wrote: > I think, correct me if im wrong, that profile is read for tty logins > only (or for "su -", which uses login) > when you login through a pts (i.e. an xterm, telnet or ssh) profile > should not be run. bashrc, tcshrc, etc... are run instead. this is the current behaviour, but in rhl9 it was read anyway. For example, now you don't even have ~/bin in your PATH, as profile it's not executed. Is this the intented behaviour? -- Marius Andreiana LOAD - Linux Open Alternative Days Specialist Linux, Co-organizator http://www.load.ro From paul at all-the-johnsons.co.uk Sat Oct 11 08:34:33 2003 From: paul at all-the-johnsons.co.uk (Paul) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 09:34:33 +0100 Subject: Programatically Finding Integer Size In-Reply-To: <3F87950B.8020009@speakeasy.net> References: <3F87950B.8020009@speakeasy.net> Message-ID: <1065861273.19368.3.camel@T6.linux> Hi, > I'm learning C++. Can someone tell me the accepted way to > programatically determine the size of integers on a given system using C++? cout << sizeof(T) << endl; should do the trick. T is a generic term for type - you can replace it with int, char, short etc etc etc (though it is pointless to use char as it is *always* 1). Remember though, the sizeof value does not say the number of bits there are in that size. I have seen upto 15 bits in a byte before now. Have a toddle over to my really good friends at http://www.accu.org, join up and join the excellent learner programmer lists :-) TTFN Paul -- One OS to fool them all One browser to find them One email client to bring them all And through security holes, blind them... From wzhjbj at ccoss.com.cn Sat Oct 11 08:43:30 2003 From: wzhjbj at ccoss.com.cn (Steven Wang) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 16:43:30 +0800 Subject: customzing installation cds Message-ID: <200310110844.h9B8iQM10380@mx1.redhat.com> rg,??? http://www.techonthenet.com/linux/rh9_update.htm this is a doc about howto rh9.0 update and rebuilt cds. ======= 2003-10-11 15:36:00 ????????======= >Once the post-beta version is out, how can one create their own >customized cds - you know, a sort of cut down version (2-cds?). I was >thinking of just cutting out all the server-side stuff. Of course, I am >not looking for a full answer here, but... point me to some pertinent docs? > >I I sort of remember something to this effect from the RH8 days, but I >can't find anything now. > >ralston > > >-- >fedora-test-list mailing list >fedora-test-list at redhat.com >http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = ????????? ?? ????????Steven Wang ????????wzhjbj at ccoss.com.cn ??????????2003-10-11 From mharris at redhat.com Sat Oct 11 09:20:37 2003 From: mharris at redhat.com (Mike A. Harris) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 05:20:37 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Red Hat Professional Workstation In-Reply-To: <1065813679.1942.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <3F8703DD.9050904@cypress.com> <1065813679.1942.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On Fri, 10 Oct 2003, Daniel Wittenberg wrote: >I talked with my rep this morning, and this is what I got from the >conversation: > >RH Prof. WS is pretty much RHEL WS, but without any support, and no ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >guarantees on how long it'll be supported. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Am I the only one who finds that funny? ;o) If you take the full underlined part, and think about it, one might be inclined to conclude it is supported for never. ;o) Admittedly though, I don't know any more about it than Ed does. ;o) -- Mike A. Harris ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris OS Systems Engineer - XFree86 maintainer - Red Hat From rpjday at mindspring.com Sat Oct 11 10:06:25 2003 From: rpjday at mindspring.com (Robert P. J. Day) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 06:06:25 -0400 (EDT) Subject: "new" quota support? Message-ID: is filesystem quota support ready to go out of the box with fedora core if i'm using the 2.6.0-test7 kernel? i ask since i'm perusing a relatively recent quota HOWTO at www.tldp.org which describes the "new" quota system, and discusses necessary patches to the 2.4 kernel. to those who have got quotas going under fedora and 2.6.0 kernel, any tricks/patches/hacks we should know about? rday From czar at czarc.net Sat Oct 11 11:09:38 2003 From: czar at czarc.net (Gene C.) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 07:09:38 -0400 Subject: System now thinks it is Severn release 0.95 In-Reply-To: <1065828080.5195.2.camel@vaio.jumanjihouse.com> References: <1065800039.4759.7.camel@blue.comcast.net> <200310101224.57865.czar@czarc.net> <1065828080.5195.2.camel@vaio.jumanjihouse.com> Message-ID: <200310110709.38334.czar@czarc.net> On Friday 10 October 2003 19:21, Paul Morgan wrote: > On Fri, 2003-10-10 at 11:24, Gene C. wrote: > > It would be useful to have up2date NOT delete packages > > after they are installed. > > run up2date-config (with or without --nox option) and change option to > keep packages after install. I thought I had looked for such and option and I did look ... but I missed it. Thanks, I now have it set. -- Gene From j.rink at freenet.de Fri Oct 10 06:45:33 2003 From: j.rink at freenet.de (=?UTF-8?B?SsO2cm4=?= Rink) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 08:45:33 +0200 Subject: fucking redhat network config since redhat 5.x Message-ID: <20031010084533.18211618.j.rink@freenet.de> Hi, sorry but i am so xxx about the redhat-config tools. Once again, we have more than one tool which configures the DSL, ADSL Line. When i use the redhat-config tool to configure a pppoe-dsl Internet connection, i was not able to make the things i have configured. The computer does not start automatically the ppp connection, other computers in the lan can not take this one as an internet gateway. (masquerading) When i input a false username and want to change it, the gui does not change the thing in the pap-secrets file in /etc/ppp. Ok, when the gui will not do this, i use adsl-setup. This tool again do not change the username in pap-secrets. Why is it so difficult to make ONE thing to configure something. I can configure masquerading via iptables, but what the hell must i do, that the computer which has the pppoe-dsl, automatically connects to internet when another computer wants it? The adsl-setup give me the option, but this will not work. No, i will not use the bugzilla to send noticed bugs to redhat. One thing completely different: I have install fedora, but i register in RHN. But i can only register 2 demo entitlements (computers) with one account. Is there a chance to get a F(edora) N in the future with more than 2 demo accounts? CU J?rn Rink -- Nine (not 9) Never trust a hippie From j.rink at freenet.de Fri Oct 10 06:52:11 2003 From: j.rink at freenet.de (=?UTF-8?B?SsO2cm4=?= Rink) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 08:52:11 +0200 Subject: Why a beta3 so soon? In-Reply-To: References: <1065730800.15366.3.camel@techbyte.com.br> Message-ID: <20031010085211.06d731ad.j.rink@freenet.de> On 09 Oct 2003 17:44:30 -0300 Alexandre Oliva wrote: > OOo 1.1, for one. > > Another reason for more betas is that people in general will only > exercise the installer when installing betas, and the installer is > something that should be very well tested. > :-)) Yes, the anaconda thing is a big one. A little installer bug has gone away: I was able to install fedora on my tekram uw scsi controler, scsi-cdrom. redhat 7 has no problems, redhat 8 only works for me with ide-cdrom (with scsi i get an anaconda.py error). redhat 9: i only install it on my t23;-). -- Nine (not 9) Never trust a hippie From j.rink at freenet.de Fri Oct 10 06:56:18 2003 From: j.rink at freenet.de (=?UTF-8?B?SsO2cm4=?= Rink) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 08:56:18 +0200 Subject: GCC-3.3 and OO.org In-Reply-To: <3F859EC1.3090502@cypress.com> References: <3F859EC1.3090502@cypress.com> Message-ID: <20031010085618.0f53d1e8.j.rink@freenet.de> On Thu, 09 Oct 2003 12:45:37 -0500 Thomas Dodd wrote: > > Two quickies (I hope). > > 1) What problems would ugrading from gcc-3.2.2-5 to gcc-3.3.1-6 pose? Hi, i compile gcc 3.3.1 on my own here on redhat 9. I have no problems with it until now. I use kernel compiled with the 3.3.1 CU -- Nine (not 9) Never trust a hippie From 1midniterider at comcast.net Sat Oct 11 11:34:46 2003 From: 1midniterider at comcast.net (Marcus White) Date: 11 Oct 2003 07:34:46 -0400 Subject: redhat-config-securitylevel vs redhat-config-firewall? In-Reply-To: <200310080051.34486.elwoo@videotron.ca> References: <20031008001213.GA32650@nonesuch.ca.shawcable.net> <1065572600.6901.29.camel@keelie.darden.com> <200310080051.34486.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <1065872085.10422.311.camel@tbird> ...Or "Firewall Builder" http://www.fwbuilder.org... IMHO an excellent package. On Wed, 2003-10-08 at 00:51, Elton Woo wrote: > On October 7, 2003 08:23 pm, James Drabb > wrote: > .... > > On the firewall side, has anyone thought about including FireStarter by > > default? I think that is a nice little package IMO. I shows you when > > it blocks traffic in real-time and lets you > > > I've only had a brief look at Firestarter. Perhaps someone should > enter it in bugzilla as a RFE (before the next beta comes out). > > Elton -- Marcus White <1midniterider at comcast.net> From mharris at redhat.com Sat Oct 11 11:52:46 2003 From: mharris at redhat.com (Mike A. Harris) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 07:52:46 -0400 (EDT) Subject: XFree86 available via yum Message-ID: I have made XFree86 available via yum on people.redhat.com. This is my first time setting up a yum repository, and I've never used the yum client, so I have no idea how successful this is currently. I've pointed out the repository to many people in IRC for a day and a half and gotten no good nor bad feedback, so I determined that wasn't the best place to look for testers or feedback. Please test the repository out, and feel free to provide feedback both good and/or bad about it. ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris/testing/unstable XFree86-4.3.0-39 is there right now for x86, ppc, x86_64, and ia64 -- Mike A. Harris ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris OS Systems Engineer - XFree86 maintainer - Red Hat From martin at wolkje.net Sat Oct 11 12:36:06 2003 From: martin at wolkje.net (Martin Sturm) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 14:36:06 +0200 Subject: RH9 to Fedora migration In-Reply-To: <3F8798C2.4080508@speakeasy.net> References: <3F878CAC.8F2D659E@kahealani.com> <3F8798C2.4080508@speakeasy.net> Message-ID: <1065875765.4723.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> > I don't have the answer to your question. I presume you want to avoid > the painful download times to get CDs, not to mention competing for ftp > server bandwidth shortly after a release. > > So, without answering your question, can I mention that Bittorrent is > really, really good for downloading huge files like ISOs? You can get a > download started immediately, and it works very efficiently. I'll take > Bittorrent any day if it is available for downloading a desired CD. It > beats ftp servers! > > Bob > > > Angela Kahealani wrote: > > > Is it possible, and if so where is it documented, > > to change / update / add-to the set of repositories visited by up2date > > to cause up2date to work from fedora RPMs, instead of having to burn > > install CDs of fedora and install it over RH9? In, other words, > > is it possible to update from RH9 to Fedora, or is installation required? I've read somewhere that Up2date is not meant for upgrade between different versions of a distro, similar to apt-get of Debian. So I presume this is not a recommended way of installing Fedora on a RH9 machine. One of the main problems I think is the fact that up2date standard is only capable of upgrading packages which are already installed on the system, and has not the ability to automatically add packages to the existing installtion. So for example the graphical boot-program and OpenOffice 1.1 cannot be installed by up2date automatically. Downloading and burning the isos is the recommended way and I guess the easiest one. Martin From tvinhas at techbyte.com.br Sat Oct 11 12:56:34 2003 From: tvinhas at techbyte.com.br (Thiago Vinhas de Moraes) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 09:56:34 -0300 Subject: Fedora 0.95 release already usable from up2date Message-ID: <1065876992.8467.0.camel@techbyte.com.br> Hi, I noticed this morning that it's already possible to get packages from up2date when using the latest fedora 0.95. Thiago From shrek-m at gmx.de Sat Oct 11 14:00:43 2003 From: shrek-m at gmx.de (shrek-m at gmx.de) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 16:00:43 +0200 Subject: XFree86 available via yum In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3F880D0B.2090105@gmx.de> Mike A. Harris wrote: >I have made XFree86 available via yum on people.redhat.com. This >is my first time setting up a yum repository, and I've never used >the yum client, so I have no idea how successful this is >currently. I've pointed out the repository to many people in IRC >for a day and a half and gotten no good nor bad feedback, so I >determined that wasn't the best place to look for testers or >feedback. > >Please test the repository out, and feel free to provide feedback >both good and/or bad about it. > > ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris/testing/unstable > >XFree86-4.3.0-39 is there right now for x86, ppc, x86_64, and ia64 > > $ cat /etc/redhat-release Red Hat Linux release 8.0 (Psyche) $ rpm -q kernel kernel-2.4.20-13.8 $ rhn-applet-tui Ignoring kernel Ignoring kernel-source [...] The following is a list of outdated packages on your system: Name Version Release ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- mysql 3.23.58 1.80 mysql-devel 3.23.58 1.80 mysql-server 3.23.58 1.80 Advisory Synopsis ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- RHSA-2003:281-08 Updated MySQL packages fix vulnerability $ yum --version 2.0 ======== with the original /etc/yum.conf # yum check-update [...] Name Arch Version Repo --------------------------------------------------------------------------------kernel kernel athlon 2.4.20-20.8 updates kernel-source i386 2.4.20-20.8 updates ======== ======== # cat /etc/yum.conf [main] cachedir=/var/cache/yum debuglevel=2 logfile=/var/log/yum.log pkgpolicy=newest distroverpkg=redhat-release [base] name=Red Hat Linux $releasever - $basearch - Base baseurl=http://mirror.dulug.duke.edu/pub/yum-repository/redhat/$releasever/$basearch/ [updates] name=Red Hat Linux $releasever - Updates baseurl=http://mirror.dulug.duke.edu/pub/yum-repository/redhat/updates/$releasever/ baseurl=ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris/testing/unstable # yum check-update Gathering header information file(s) from server(s) Server: Red Hat Linux 8.0 - i386 - Base Server: Red Hat Linux 8.0 - Updates Finding updated packages Downloading needed headers [.............................................................] Name Arch Version Repo --------------------------------------------------------------------------------XFree86 XFree86 i386 4.3.0-39 updates XFree86-100dpi-fonts i386 4.3.0-39 updates XFree86-75dpi-fonts i386 4.3.0-39 updates XFree86-Mesa-libGL i386 4.3.0-39 updates XFree86-Mesa-libGLU i386 4.3.0-39 updates XFree86-Xnest i386 4.3.0-39 updates XFree86-base-fonts i386 4.3.0-39 updates XFree86-devel i386 4.3.0-39 updates XFree86-font-utils i386 4.3.0-39 updates XFree86-libs i386 4.3.0-39 updates XFree86-tools i386 4.3.0-39 updates XFree86-truetype-fonts i386 4.3.0-39 updates XFree86-twm i386 4.3.0-39 updates XFree86-xauth i386 4.3.0-39 updates XFree86-xdm i386 4.3.0-39 updates XFree86-xfs i386 4.3.0-39 updates xchat i386 1:2.0.4-2 updates ========= i am missing now the kernel-updates :-( ======== # yum install XFree86* Gathering header information file(s) from server(s) Server: Red Hat Linux 8.0 - i386 - Base Server: Red Hat Linux 8.0 - Updates Finding updated packages Downloading needed headers Resolving dependencies .package XFree86 needs glibc >= 2.3.2-66 (not provided) package XFree86-xfs needs /usr/bin/ttmkfdir (not provided) package XFree86-xfs needs /usr/bin/ttmkfdir (not provided) package XFree86-syriac-fonts needs /usr/bin/ttmkfdir (not provided) package XFree86-syriac-fonts needs /usr/bin/ttmkfdir (not provided) package XFree86-devel needs fontconfig-devel >= 2.1 (not provided) package XFree86-twm needs xterm (not provided) package XFree86-libs needs freetype >= 2.1.3-4 (not provided) package XFree86-truetype-fonts needs /usr/bin/ttmkfdir (not provided) package XFree86-truetype-fonts needs /usr/bin/ttmkfdir (not provided) package pango-devel needs Xft-devel >= 1.9.1.020626.1517-1 (not provided) package libgnomeui needs Xft (not provided) package qt needs Xft >= 1.9.1 (not provided) ======== -- shrek-m From mharris at redhat.com Sat Oct 11 14:12:34 2003 From: mharris at redhat.com (Mike A. Harris) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 10:12:34 -0400 (EDT) Subject: XFree86 available via yum In-Reply-To: <3F880D0B.2090105@gmx.de> References: <3F880D0B.2090105@gmx.de> Message-ID: On Sat, 11 Oct 2003, shrek-m at gmx.de wrote: >$ cat /etc/redhat-release >Red Hat Linux release 8.0 (Psyche) That is Red Hat Linux 8.0, not Fedora Core test 2. This is fedora-test-list. ;o) [mharris at people unstable]$ cat README.yum [xfree86] name=Mike A. Harris' experimental XFree86 and other packages for Fedora Core baseurl=ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris/testing/unstable -- Mike A. Harris ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris OS Systems Engineer - XFree86 maintainer - Red Hat From paul at frields.com Sat Oct 11 14:14:24 2003 From: paul at frields.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 10:14:24 -0400 Subject: up2date problem? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1065881664.16554.3.camel@bettie.internal.frields.org> On Fri, 2003-10-10 at 21:24, Jeremy Portzer wrote: > > Just upgraded to up2date-4.1.5-1 (about 30 sec ago)... progress dialog > > is frozen at the "Testing package set / solving RPM inter-dependencies" > > stage. There are a large number of entries in the main dialog for > > Canna-3.6-22, I can't tell how many due to the modality of the progress > > dialog. > > 30 seconds is not nearly enough time for this process on my system. It > takes at least 2-3 minutes, if updating a "virgin" system, and that's on a > system with a 600 MHz processor, which isn't THAT slow. So I'd say give > it time. 30 seconds wasn't intended to reflect the length of time I waited, rather it was just a (rather misguided) attempt to mention that I had just encountered this problem. Believe me, this was NOT normal in the least. But if you check the bugzilla entry, you'll see that it seems to be related to either an erroneous /etc/sysconfig/rhn/sources, or a bad assumption on the part of the packagers that we all have yum installed. > This may not be a bug, but intended behavior. Highly doubtful! :-) -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE From paul at frields.com Sat Oct 11 14:16:41 2003 From: paul at frields.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 10:16:41 -0400 Subject: up2date problem? In-Reply-To: <1065833915.6082.2.camel@gstpc.earthlink.net> References: <1065830188.5407.14.camel@bettie.internal.frields.org> <1065833915.6082.2.camel@gstpc.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <1065881801.16554.6.camel@bettie.internal.frields.org> On Fri, 2003-10-10 at 20:58, Gerry Tool wrote: > > I just added to bugzilla, in case anyone wants to comment: > > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=106825 > > Had similar occurrence, but restarted with all selected including > fedora-release-0.95 and all worked. Now only channel available is > rawhide, but all seems to be working correctly now. Added comment to > your bug report. Thanks, Gerry. For those who don't do BZ, it seems to be related to a bad config file (or a packaging mistake). For those who don't use yum, you'll need to edit /etc/sysconfig/rhn/sources to reset the default to using up2date. -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE From antti at victoria.fi Sat Oct 11 14:28:18 2003 From: antti at victoria.fi (Antti) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 17:28:18 +0300 Subject: apt dist-upgrade from 0.93 to 0.94 Message-ID: <1065882498.1620.7.camel@localhost> How do I actually do this? Do I point apt to a repository where there is 'os 0.94' and just run apt-get dist-upgrade? I just want to make sure that I do this right. Is this a good idea to upgrade with apt? -- Antti From paul at frields.com Sat Oct 11 14:33:25 2003 From: paul at frields.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 10:33:25 -0400 Subject: redhat-install-packages In-Reply-To: <1065834868.5545.8.camel@keelie.darden.com> References: <1065834868.5545.8.camel@keelie.darden.com> Message-ID: <1065882805.16554.21.camel@bettie.internal.frields.org> On Fri, 2003-10-10 at 21:14, James Drabb wrote: > I get this message when I try to run redhat-install-packages: > > Your account does not have permissions to run redhat-install-packages > Administrator level permissions are needed to run this program > because it can install and remove system packages. > > Normally when I run other admin type packages as a normal user, I get > prompeted for the root password. Is there anyway to turn this > functionality back on for redhat-install-packages? The files /etc/security/console.apps/redhat-install-packages and /etc/pam.d/redhat-install-packages are supposed to take care of this, but before writing this, I went to check on my own system, and those files were missing. You can use rpm to check your own system: rpm -V redhat-config-packages If the results show the files missing, doing the following should take care of the problem (the package hasn't changed since the original test2 release): rpm -Uvh --force /path/to/redhat-config-packages-1.9.1-1.noarch.rpm -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE From paul at frields.com Sat Oct 11 14:38:56 2003 From: paul at frields.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 10:38:56 -0400 Subject: Evolution Cruft In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1065883135.16554.25.camel@bettie.internal.frields.org> On Sat, 2003-10-11 at 01:23, Jeremy Portzer wrote: > > When ever I close evolution, evolution-alarm-notify and evolution-wombat > > remain running. Is this a bug or a feature? I would think that when I > > close evolution, it would close completely. Now, if I close evolution > > and then log out, evolution-alarm-notify and evolution-wombat both get > > added to my gnome session and then gnome tries to start them back up > > when I log back in. I have "auto save session" enabled which I guess I > > could disable, though I would think that evolution should close out > > entirely. > > This is a feature, and I think evolution has always done this (nothing new > to Severn about this). As you might guess "evolution-alarm-notify" is > there to notify you about alarms that you might have set in your calendar. > If this wasn't running, you wouldn't get notified about calendar alarms. > It doesn't cause any problems in my experience, though I suppose if you > never use the alarm feature you could look into disabling it. Interestingly enough, though, on my system evolution-wombat remains running after logging out of a GNOME session. Apparently this blocks the bonobo-activation-server from stopping, and upon trying to login to GNOME again, this causes the gnome-settings-daemon to issue numerous errors and refuse to start applets in the panel. I think other people on fedora-test-list have mentioned having this problem also, so I BZ'd it as well, after trying to make sure no one else had. Anyone else out there care to relay their experiences in this matter? -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE From paul at frields.com Sat Oct 11 14:43:07 2003 From: paul at frields.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 10:43:07 -0400 Subject: customzing installation cds In-Reply-To: <3F87A50A.3020301@tuins.ac.jp> References: <200310102358.50768.elwoo@videotron.ca> <3F87A50A.3020301@tuins.ac.jp> Message-ID: <1065883387.16554.28.camel@bettie.internal.frields.org> On Sat, 2003-10-11 at 02:36, rg wrote: > Once the post-beta version is out, how can one create their own > customized cds - you know, a sort of cut down version (2-cds?). I was > thinking of just cutting out all the server-side stuff. Of course, I am > not looking for a full answer here, but... point me to some pertinent docs? > > I I sort of remember something to this effect from the RH8 days, but I > can't find anything now. You want the Redhat-CD-HOWTO. You can find it through TLDP at http://www.tldp.org. It's somewhat of a process, but I've done it with Red Hat Linux 9 to create updated "Shrike+" CD's and a network installation service for the people in my office to use for new installs. -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE From pmatilai at welho.com Sat Oct 11 14:44:26 2003 From: pmatilai at welho.com (Panu Matilainen) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 17:44:26 +0300 Subject: getting pine to run under fedora 0.94 -- a couple issues In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1065883466.3f88174a2e412@webmail.welho.com> Quoting "ne..." : > On Oct 9, 2003 at 05:38, Mike A. Harris in a soothing rage wrote: > > >On Sun, 5 Oct 2003, Robert P. J. Day wrote: > [...] > >Here are my current pine src.rpm, which should compile on any Red > >Hat Linux release cleanly, including rawhide/Fedora: > > > >ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris/pine/pine-4.58-1.src.rpm > You be sad to note that rebuilding failed for me. Errors > below: > > [13:47:20][pine4.58]# rm -f krb5 > [13:47:20][pine4.58]# mkdir krb5 > [13:47:20][pine4.58]# ln -s /usr/kerberos/include krb5/include > [13:47:20][pine4.58]# ln -s /usr/kerberos/lib krb5/lib > [13:47:20][pine4.58]# ./contrib/krb5-setup lnp lnp > Krb5-setup: Expected directory "krb5/lib" is missing. > If you are attempting to use a Kerberos5 library other than the one > from MIT then the pine build script won't be able to help much. > Instead, you will have to modify c-client/Makefile and set the GSS > macros correctly. In order to build pine without Kerberos5 > functionality you may rename or remove the directory "krb5" and > run the pine "build lnp" command again. > error: Bad exit status from /var/tmp/rpm-tmp.60432 (%prep) Kerberos includes and libs aren't in /usr/kerberos/ anymore, make the symlinks to /usr/include and /usr/lib instead in the spec. -- - Panu - From paul at frields.com Sat Oct 11 14:50:40 2003 From: paul at frields.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 10:50:40 -0400 Subject: How to regenerate hdlist and hdlist2 file on Fadora 9.0.94 In-Reply-To: <200310110653.h9B6raM26942@mx1.redhat.com> References: <200310110653.h9B6raM26942@mx1.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1065883840.16554.31.camel@bettie.internal.frields.org> On Sat, 2003-10-11 at 02:52, Steven Wang wrote: > Hai every one,I want to rebuild Fadora cds after update some rpm balls,but I can't generated right hdlist and hdlist2 file.How can I generate a right file? Have you already checked the Redhat-CD-HOWTO? I'm not sure how much Fedora has changed the procedures you'll find therein, but they do work for Red Hat Linux 9. Given everything else the developers have been working on, I doubt they've found time to completely change the distribution build process. Give it a try and let the group know if it's now hopelessly out of date. -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE From kibosh at free.fr Sat Oct 11 14:52:28 2003 From: kibosh at free.fr (Kibosh) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 16:52:28 +0200 Subject: Fedora 0.94 & speedtouch and misc. Message-ID: <3F88192C.60201@free.fr> Hello all, I downloaded and installed Fedora 0.94 today, in order to test it a while. My config is: - Sony Vayo pcg-grx416g - HD 30 Go (windows-ntfs/vfat-for-storage/linux-part/swap) - Videocard ATI Radeon Mobility 7500, 32 Mo - flat screen 1600x1200 - mouse Logitech Mouseman Traveller (optical mouse) - USB Hub with : Palm Tungsten T pda HP Deskjet 3420 printer Canon Canoscan N1240U Momobay hd 40 Go, divied in 2 vfat partitions The installation process was very cool, no problem at all, french support was ok, 40mn later I had a beautifull Gnome desktop. The first impression was very great! - /etc/fstab I had to edit /etc/fstab in order to add everything excepted CD-Rom. /hda5 (vfat), sda1 (vfat) and sda5(vfat) were not mounted during the installation. I tried to mount /hda1 (ntfs) but after the reboot I could see that the system didn't mount it, for it's a ntfs partition (with Mandrake 9.2, I could at least access some files in /hda1). - adsl connexion (modprobe bug?) I tried to install the speedtouch drivers from Benoit Papillaut. I followed a step-by-step configuration found here: http://christophe.delord.free.fr/en/adsl/redhat.html Everything was ok until I launched the startadsl script in a root console. I still get error messages like "modprobe not found" and "modem_run not found". So I typed "modprobe usbcore" in a root console and got the same kind of error message: "modprobe: command not found". How is it possible??? Did I miss something in the install process? - 3D acceleration? Testing Mandrake 9.2 few days ago, I had the support for 3D acceleration, and so I could launch and play TuxRacer or some OpenGL screensavers. Now in Fedora I guess 3D support is not installed... How to install it? What package should I install? I didn"t try the pda, the printer and the scanner yet. Thanks for your help everyone! (and sorry for my english, I am french) Regards, Kibosh From jaap_haitsma at zonnet.nl Sat Oct 11 15:02:26 2003 From: jaap_haitsma at zonnet.nl (Jaap A. Haitsma) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 17:02:26 +0200 Subject: Fedora 0.95 release already usable from up2date In-Reply-To: <1065876992.8467.0.camel@techbyte.com.br> References: <1065876992.8467.0.camel@techbyte.com.br> Message-ID: <3F881B82.7090604@zonnet.nl> Thiago Vinhas de Moraes wrote: > Hi, > > I noticed this morning that it's already possible to get packages from > up2date when using the latest fedora 0.95. > Strange here it still says there is no matching channel for 0.95 Am I doing something wrong From ms-nospam-0306 at arcor.de Sat Oct 11 15:15:58 2003 From: ms-nospam-0306 at arcor.de (Michael Schwendt) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 17:15:58 +0200 Subject: Fedora 0.95 release already usable from up2date In-Reply-To: <3F881B82.7090604@zonnet.nl> References: <1065876992.8467.0.camel@techbyte.com.br> <3F881B82.7090604@zonnet.nl> Message-ID: <20031011171558.56f193b4.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Sat, 11 Oct 2003 17:02:26 +0200, Jaap A. Haitsma wrote: > Thiago Vinhas de Moraes wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I noticed this morning that it's already possible to get packages from > > up2date when using the latest fedora 0.95. > > > Strange here it still says there is no matching channel for 0.95 > Am I doing something wrong You can get many new packages with up2date --nox -u --upgrade-to-release=0.94 The 0.95 channel doesn't exist yet. - -- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/iB6u0iMVcrivHFQRAvvLAJ47hRVi/W3P6w8Phg0whoCSVRUL0QCfSfTE V83c5iLUB8UECDD/Qb82sfg= =uq9I -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From shrek-m at gmx.de Sat Oct 11 15:33:17 2003 From: shrek-m at gmx.de (shrek-m at gmx.de) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 17:33:17 +0200 Subject: XFree86 available via yum In-Reply-To: References: <3F880D0B.2090105@gmx.de> Message-ID: <3F8822BD.6050109@gmx.de> Mike A. Harris wrote: >On Sat, 11 Oct 2003, shrek-m at gmx.de wrote: > >> cat /etc/redhat-release >>Red Hat Linux release 8.0 (Psyche) >> >> >That is Red Hat Linux 8.0, not Fedora Core test 2. This is >fedora-test-list. ;o) > > oops, after changing hda and booting into fedora-2 ;-) with fedora-core-test2 # yum check-update # yum install XFree86* absolutely no problems here :-) >[mharris at people unstable]$ cat README.yum >[xfree86] >name=Mike A. Harris' experimental XFree86 and other packages for Fedora Core >baseurl=ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris/testing/unstable > > $ man yum.conf thanks ;-) -- shrek-m From hosting at j2solutions.net Sat Oct 11 15:28:47 2003 From: hosting at j2solutions.net (Jesse Keating) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 08:28:47 -0700 Subject: XFree86 available via yum In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200310110828.47765.hosting@j2solutions.net> On Saturday 11 October 2003 04:52, Mike A. Harris uttered: > Please test the repository out, and feel free to provide feedback > both good and/or bad about it. > > ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris/testing/unstable Seems to work fine on my Severn install. Voodoo3 3000 video card. DRI works at "Thousands of Colors" 1024x768. Tuxracer works w/out crashing. xrandr works. Is there anything specifically you'd like me to test? -- Jesse Keating RHCE MCSE http://geek.j2solutions.net Mondo DevTeam (www.mondorescue.org) Was I helpful? Let others know: http://svcs.affero.net/rm.php?r=jkeating From JDrabb at tampabay.rr.com Sat Oct 11 15:45:32 2003 From: JDrabb at tampabay.rr.com (James Drabb) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 11:45:32 -0400 Subject: Evolution Cruft In-Reply-To: <1065883135.16554.25.camel@bettie.internal.frields.org> References: <1065883135.16554.25.camel@bettie.internal.frields.org> Message-ID: <1065887132.7800.20.camel@keelie.darden.com> On Sat, 2003-10-11 at 10:38, Paul W. Frields wrote: > On Sat, 2003-10-11 at 01:23, Jeremy Portzer wrote: > > > When ever I close evolution, evolution-alarm-notify and evolution-wombat > > > remain running. Is this a bug or a feature? I would think that when I > > > close evolution, it would close completely. Now, if I close evolution > > > and then log out, evolution-alarm-notify and evolution-wombat both get > > > added to my gnome session and then gnome tries to start them back up > > > when I log back in. I have "auto save session" enabled which I guess I > > > could disable, though I would think that evolution should close out > > > entirely. > > > > This is a feature, and I think evolution has always done this (nothing new > > to Severn about this). As you might guess "evolution-alarm-notify" is > > there to notify you about alarms that you might have set in your calendar. > > If this wasn't running, you wouldn't get notified about calendar alarms. > > It doesn't cause any problems in my experience, though I suppose if you > > never use the alarm feature you could look into disabling it. > > Interestingly enough, though, on my system evolution-wombat remains > running after logging out of a GNOME session. Apparently this blocks the > bonobo-activation-server from stopping, and upon trying to login to > GNOME again, this causes the gnome-settings-daemon to issue numerous > errors and refuse to start applets in the panel. I think other people on > fedora-test-list have mentioned having this problem also, so I BZ'd it > as well, after trying to make sure no one else had. Anyone else out > there care to relay their experiences in this matter? Yup, this is the same thing that is happening to me. I just made a wrapper around evolution that kills evolution-alarm-notify and evolution-wombat when I close down evolution. It is a hack, but it let's me log back into Gnome without the error messages. Jim Drabb -- James Drabb Senior Programmer Analyst Davenport, FL USA From christoph.wickert at web.de Sat Oct 11 15:52:43 2003 From: christoph.wickert at web.de (Christoph Wickert) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 17:52:43 +0200 Subject: Evolution Cruft In-Reply-To: <1065883135.16554.25.camel@bettie.internal.frields.org> References: <1065883135.16554.25.camel@bettie.internal.frields.org> Message-ID: <3F88274B.4040508@web.de> Paul W. Frields schrieb: >On Sat, 2003-10-11 at 01:23, Jeremy Portzer wrote: > > >>>When ever I close evolution, evolution-alarm-notify and evolution-wombat >>>remain running. Is this a bug or a feature? I would think that when I >>>close evolution, it would close completely. Now, if I close evolution >>>and then log out, evolution-alarm-notify and evolution-wombat both get >>>added to my gnome session and then gnome tries to start them back up >>>when I log back in. I have "auto save session" enabled which I guess I >>>could disable, though I would think that evolution should close out >>>entirely. >>> >>> >>This is a feature, and I think evolution has always done this (nothing new >>to Severn about this). As you might guess "evolution-alarm-notify" is >>there to notify you about alarms that you might have set in your calendar. >>If this wasn't running, you wouldn't get notified about calendar alarms. >>It doesn't cause any problems in my experience, though I suppose if you >>never use the alarm feature you could look into disabling it. >> >> > >Interestingly enough, though, on my system evolution-wombat remains >running after logging out of a GNOME session. Apparently this blocks the >bonobo-activation-server from stopping, and upon trying to login to >GNOME again, this causes the gnome-settings-daemon to issue numerous >errors and refuse to start applets in the panel. I think other people on >fedora-test-list have mentioned having this problem also, so I BZ'd it >as well, after trying to make sure no one else had. Anyone else out >there care to relay their experiences in this matter? > Do you have the latest ORBit2 rpms installed (2.8.1.90-1) Should fix the wombat errors. Christoph -- "Wenn zu perfekt - Gott b?se." Nam June Paik _______________________________ Christoph Wickert mailto:christoph.wickert at web.de From wzhjbj at ccoss.com.cn Sat Oct 11 15:56:10 2003 From: wzhjbj at ccoss.com.cn (Steven Wang) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 23:56:10 +0800 Subject: How to regenerate hdlist and hdlist2 file on Fadora 9.0.94 Message-ID: <200310111557.h9BFv3M24408@mx1.redhat.com> Paul W. Frields,??? ======= 2003-10-11 10:50:00 ????????======= >On Sat, 2003-10-11 at 02:52, Steven Wang wrote: >> Hai every one,I want to rebuild Fadora cds after update some rpm balls,but I can't generated right hdlist and hdlist2 file.How can I generate a right file? > >Have you already checked the Redhat-CD-HOWTO? I'm not sure how much >Fedora has changed the procedures you'll find therein, but they do work >for Red Hat Linux 9. They have chaged between Fedora and Red Hat Linux 9 . >Given everything else the developers have been >working on, I doubt they've found time to completely change the >distribution build process. Give it a try and let the group know if it's >now hopelessly out of date. You may right. But I want try. My steps of rebuild are: 1.mkdir /root/cdimage;cd /root/cdimage;mkdir RedHat;cd RedHat;mkdir base;mkdir RPMS; 2.cd /root;mkdir cdsrpms; 3.copy all three rpm cds rpm balls to /root/cdimage/RedHat/RPMS,use cp /mnt/cdrom/RedHat/RPMS/* ./,delete TRANS.TBL file;and copy three source rpm cds src.rpm balls to /root/cdsrpms; 4.set anaconda environment,export PYTHONPATH=/usr/lib/anaconda,export PATH=$PATH:/usr/lib/anaconda-runtime; 5.cd /root,generate hdlist:genhdlist --withnumbers /root/cdimage/ --hdlist /root/cdimage/RedHat/base/hdlist,but it is differ whith Fedora's hdlist; I do not know WHY. 6.buildinstall --comp cdimage/RedHat/base/comps.xml --pkgorder cdimage/pkgorder --version 0.4 --product "MyLinux-Fedora" --release 1 cdimage; 7.splittree.py --arch=i386 --total-discs=6 --bin-discs=3 --src-discs=3 --release-string="MyLinux-Fedora" --pkgorderfile=/root/cdimage/pkgorder --distdir=/root/cdimage --srcdir=/root/cdsrpms; generate 6 cds mkiso source directory >-- >Paul W. Frields, RHCE > > >-- >fedora-test-list mailing list >fedora-test-list at redhat.com >http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = ????????? ?? ????????Steven Wang ????????wzhjbj at ccoss.com.cn ??????????2003-10-11 From michael at ywow.org Sat Oct 11 16:03:10 2003 From: michael at ywow.org (MJang) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 12:03:10 -0400 Subject: How to regenerate hdlist and hdlist2 file on Fadora 9.0.94 References: <200310111557.h9BFv3M24408@mx1.redhat.com> Message-ID: <013301c39011$2b33e190$201e16ac@AllAccess> Dear Steven, ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven Wang" > My steps of rebuild are: I think the folks on the Anaconda devel list address your issues often, and I think you might get a more informed response there, even on Fedora. (however, many of the folks on that list are probably here as well) I suggest that you join that mailing list at http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/anaconda-devel-list and ask your question there. Thanks, Mike Jang From JDrabb at tampabay.rr.com Sat Oct 11 16:08:40 2003 From: JDrabb at tampabay.rr.com (James Drabb) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 12:08:40 -0400 Subject: redhat-install-packages In-Reply-To: <1065882805.16554.21.camel@bettie.internal.frields.org> References: <1065834868.5545.8.camel@keelie.darden.com> <1065882805.16554.21.camel@bettie.internal.frields.org> Message-ID: <1065888520.7800.23.camel@keelie.darden.com> On Sat, 2003-10-11 at 10:33, Paul W. Frields wrote: > On Fri, 2003-10-10 at 21:14, James Drabb wrote: > > I get this message when I try to run redhat-install-packages: > > > > Your account does not have permissions to run redhat-install-packages > > Administrator level permissions are needed to run this program > > because it can install and remove system packages. > > > > Normally when I run other admin type packages as a normal user, I get > > prompeted for the root password. Is there anyway to turn this > > functionality back on for redhat-install-packages? > > The files /etc/security/console.apps/redhat-install-packages and > /etc/pam.d/redhat-install-packages are supposed to take care of this, > but before writing this, I went to check on my own system, and those > files were missing. You can use rpm to check your own system: > > rpm -V redhat-config-packages The files are all there. And the contents look fine. If I run redhat-config-time, I get prompted for the root password as I expect, it just doesn't work for redhat-install-packages. Jim Drabb -- James Drabb Senior Programmer Analyst Davenport, FL USA From gkarabin at pobox.com Sat Oct 11 16:14:04 2003 From: gkarabin at pobox.com (George J Karabin) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 09:14:04 -0700 Subject: battery app using much cpu In-Reply-To: <3F8721D5.9030907@lopht.net> References: <3F84DC79.6060208@gci.net> <1065819965.10642.1.camel@zontar.clueserver.org> <3F8721D5.9030907@lopht.net> Message-ID: <1065888844.32599.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, 2003-10-10 at 14:17, Justin Georgeson wrote: > Does the battery applet still cause the system clock to run slow like it > did in RH 8/9? Yes, depending on your laptop (Dells with SMI like mine, for instance). See my earlier post in the same thread for references, if you're interested. - George From wzhjbj at ccoss.com.cn Sat Oct 11 16:14:27 2003 From: wzhjbj at ccoss.com.cn (Steven Wang) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 0:14:27 +0800 Subject: How to regenerate hdlist and hdlist2 file on Fadora 9.0.94 Message-ID: <200310111615.h9BGFJM28626@mx1.redhat.com> MJang,??? Thank you very much. ======= 2003-10-11 12:03:00 ????????======= >Dear Steven, >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Steven Wang" >> My steps of rebuild are: > >I think the folks on the Anaconda devel list address your issues often, and I think you might get a more informed response there, >even on Fedora. (however, many of the folks on that list are probably here as well) > >I suggest that you join that mailing list at http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/anaconda-devel-list and ask your question there. > >Thanks, >Mike Jang > > > >-- >fedora-test-list mailing list >fedora-test-list at redhat.com >http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = ????????? ?? ????????Steven Wang ????????wzhjbj at ccoss.com.cn ??????????2003-10-12 From shrek-m at gmx.de Sat Oct 11 16:22:17 2003 From: shrek-m at gmx.de (shrek-m at gmx.de) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 18:22:17 +0200 Subject: ~/.gnome2-nautilus-scripts/ Message-ID: <3F882E39.1030808@gmx.de> hi, in ~/.gnome2/nautilus-scripts/ are per default no scripts? if here is a script with an right-click in this folder the script-menu is shown, without an script it is hidden. the nautilus-scripts feature should not be lost/forgotten. -- shrek-m From jdy at cs.brown.edu Sat Oct 11 16:23:09 2003 From: jdy at cs.brown.edu (Joel Young) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 12:23:09 -0400 Subject: dsdt support in redhat kernels Message-ID: <20031011162309.6405C3EB3@void.cs.brown.edu> is there any chance of getting dsdt loading support into the fedora kernel? Then those of use with semi-broken dsdt (dell inspiron 8500) can load a custom dsdt. e.g.: echo "INITRDDSDT123DSDT123" >> /boot/initrd-2.4.20-18.9.acpi.2.img cat dsdt-i8500-A04-fixed-v2.aml >> /boot/initrd-2.4.20-18.9.acpi.2.img Patch for 2.4.22 vanilla is at: http://gaugusch.at/kernel.shtml As far as I know, there is no harm in this patch if a dsdt isn't attached to the initrd. While I'm at it, does anyone have patched up versions of the fedora kernels with say dsdt, swsusp, etc? Thanks, Joel From jgeorgeson at lopht.net Sat Oct 11 16:34:37 2003 From: jgeorgeson at lopht.net (Justin Georgeson) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 11:34:37 -0500 Subject: fucking redhat network config since redhat 5.x In-Reply-To: <20031010084533.18211618.j.rink@freenet.de> References: <20031010084533.18211618.j.rink@freenet.de> Message-ID: <3F88311D.9060509@lopht.net> J?rn Rink wrote: > Hi, > sorry but i am so xxx about the redhat-config tools. Once again, we > have more than one tool which configures the DSL, ADSL Line. > > When i use the redhat-config tool to configure a pppoe-dsl Internet > connection, i was not able to make the things i have configured. > > The computer does not start automatically the ppp connection, other > computers in the lan can not take this one as an internet gateway. > (masquerading) > > When i input a false username and want to change it, the gui > does not change the thing in the pap-secrets file in /etc/ppp. > > Ok, when the gui will not do this, i use adsl-setup. > This tool again do not change the username in pap-secrets. > > Why is it so difficult to make ONE thing to configure something. > > I can configure masquerading via iptables, but what the hell > must i do, that the computer which has the pppoe-dsl, > automatically connects to internet when another computer > wants it? > > The adsl-setup give me the option, but this will not work. > > No, i will not use the bugzilla to send noticed bugs to redhat. why not? how do expect them to know what you need fixed if won't follow the protocol? > One thing completely different: > I have install fedora, but i register in RHN. But i can only register 2 > demo entitlements (computers) with one account. you got two? seems like a mistake in your favor, I've only ever been able to get one. > Is there a chance to get a F(edora) N in the future with more than 2 > demo accounts? while it would be nice, I think it would undercut the service that paying customers are receiving. The whole split between RHEL and FC is because the free updates were costing too much money, so I wouldn't expect to see that any time soon. From charlesv at mfos.org Sat Oct 11 16:45:43 2003 From: charlesv at mfos.org (Charles Vaughn) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 11:45:43 -0500 Subject: Problem with a Intersil Prism2 Wireless card (USR2410) Message-ID: <1065890743.2363.58.camel@localhost.localdomain> On my laptop I have the latest Fedora Test. There are two network connections, a wired BCM4401, and a wireless pcmcia card, US Robotics 2410 802.11b. It is detected as eth1, and ifconfig eth1 causes the light to go solid, indicating it found my access point. However, getting an address from the dhcp server times out. If I bring up the system with init=/bin/bash and only start the pcmcia service, then it works fine, and will get an address. Also, if the wired network is plugged in, it seems to be able to get an address, and I seem to be able to ping it, however if I unplug the network, pings no longer get through. The card has the latest firmware, and works fine under Windows. -- --------+------------------------------------------------------------ _ | Charles Vaughn _| ~- | Webmaster mfos.org :: Owner Emphos CIS \, *_} | Student at the University of Texas at Arlington \( | This message has a GnuPG (http://gnupg.org) signature | My public key can be found at http://omega.uta.edu/~cpv7986 --------+------------------------------------------------------------ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From angela at kahealani.com Sat Oct 11 17:06:47 2003 From: angela at kahealani.com (Angela Kahealani) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 07:06:47 -1000 Subject: fedora-test-list digest, Vol 1 #257 - 31 msgs References: <20031011154301.32665.72285.Mailman@listman.back-rdu.redhat.com> Message-ID: <3F8838A5.545D9BAE@kahealani.com> > Downloading and burning the isos is the recommended way and I guess the > easiest one. > > Martin I went from floppy-diskettes to DVD technology, skipping the CD generation... therefore I'm hoping that fedora project will either have CDs for purchase, or .iso's for DVD based installation... as I can only burn DVD's, not CDs. -- Copyright 2003 Angela Kahealani. All rights reserved without prejudice; UCC1-207. All information and transactions are non negotiable and are private between the parties. http://www.kahealani.com/ From jgeorgeson at lopht.net Sat Oct 11 17:10:05 2003 From: jgeorgeson at lopht.net (Justin Georgeson) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 12:10:05 -0500 Subject: apt dist-upgrade from 0.93 to 0.94 In-Reply-To: <1065882498.1620.7.camel@localhost> References: <1065882498.1620.7.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <3F88396D.9080904@lopht.net> Antti wrote: > How do I actually do this? Do I point apt to a repository where there is > 'os 0.94' and just run apt-get dist-upgrade? I just want to make sure > that I do this right. Is this a good idea to upgrade with apt? it's not officially supported, I don't think. But I did it with a prior release, I thing phoebe to shrike, using the freshrpms.net repository. You have the right idea. You take the .93 repo out of /etc/apt/sources and put in the .94 repo, then do apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade. You may have to grab the comps RPM off an ftp site and upgrade it manually. There was also a change from redhat-release to fedora release that apt might not pick up on. Lastly, apt is pretty strongly against installing a new kernel via an upgrade. So you will have to apt-get install the kernel version manually. I think that's it, I'm sure someone will chime in if I missed anything. From jdy at cs.brown.edu Sat Oct 11 17:15:29 2003 From: jdy at cs.brown.edu (Joel Young) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 13:15:29 -0400 Subject: battery app using much cpu In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sat, 11 Oct 2003 09:14:04 PDT." <1065888844.32599.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <3F84DC79.6060208@gci.net> <1065819965.10642.1.camel@zontar.clueserver.org> <3F8721D5.9030907@lopht.net> <1065888844.32599.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20031011171529.269033F19@void.cs.brown.edu> Patched gnome-applets at: http://www.translingual.com:8080/~jdy/RPMS/ patched according to: http://www.its.caltech.edu/~dmoore/battstat/ bugzilla entry: http://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=104292 Joel From jgeorgeson at lopht.net Sat Oct 11 17:13:03 2003 From: jgeorgeson at lopht.net (Justin Georgeson) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 12:13:03 -0500 Subject: Fedora 0.95 release already usable from up2date In-Reply-To: <20031011171558.56f193b4.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de> References: <1065876992.8467.0.camel@techbyte.com.br> <3F881B82.7090604@zonnet.nl> <20031011171558.56f193b4.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de> Message-ID: <3F883A1F.4080007@lopht.net> Michael Schwendt wrote: > On Sat, 11 Oct 2003 17:02:26 +0200, Jaap A. Haitsma wrote: > > >>Thiago Vinhas de Moraes wrote: >> >>>Hi, >>> >>>I noticed this morning that it's already possible to get packages from >>>up2date when using the latest fedora 0.95. >>> >> >>Strange here it still says there is no matching channel for 0.95 >>Am I doing something wrong > > > You can get many new packages with > > up2date --nox -u --upgrade-to-release=0.94 > > The 0.95 channel doesn't exist yet. > The latest up2date packages are configured to use the yum repo for rawhide on ftp.redhat.com instead of RHN. So if Thiago updated his up2date package manually, as I did, then you will continue to get updates. Some people are having trouble with this though, but it works fine for me. From jgeorgeson at lopht.net Sat Oct 11 17:16:49 2003 From: jgeorgeson at lopht.net (Justin Georgeson) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 12:16:49 -0500 Subject: RH9 to Fedora migration In-Reply-To: <1065875765.4723.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <3F878CAC.8F2D659E@kahealani.com> <3F8798C2.4080508@speakeasy.net> <1065875765.4723.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <3F883B01.5050305@lopht.net> Martin Sturm wrote: > I've read somewhere that Up2date is not meant for upgrade between > different versions of a distro, similar to apt-get of Debian. So I > presume this is not a recommended way of installing Fedora on a RH9 > machine. One of the main problems I think is the fact that up2date > standard is only capable of upgrading packages which are already > installed on the system, and has not the ability to automatically add > packages to the existing installtion. So for example the graphical > boot-program and OpenOffice 1.1 cannot be installed by up2date > automatically. actually up2date has --upgrade-to-release, which is a functional equivalent of apt-get dist-upgrade. I'm not sure if it will uninstall packages which have been removed between releases or what, but it's there. And it's not documented AFAIK. After getting to FC, up2date even supports yum and apt repositories! From stfn at gmx.net Sat Oct 11 17:22:08 2003 From: stfn at gmx.net (Stefan Hoelldampf) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 19:22:08 +0200 Subject: OOo-RPMS from Rawhide - no German GUI with Shrike Message-ID: <3F883C40.10005@gmx.net> Hi, Perhaps the following problem is Shrike-specific, but there is no German translating after installing the three openoffice.org-1.1.0-2 RPMs from Rawhide on my Shrike-box. Only "oosetup" detects my settings in /etc/sysconfig/i18n LANG="de_DE at euro" and opens a "German" window. Everything else of OOo works fine. Great work! Kind Regards, Stefan From smearp at mac.com Sat Oct 11 17:28:30 2003 From: smearp at mac.com (Sean Earp) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 10:28:30 -0700 Subject: DVD ISO's In-Reply-To: <3F8838A5.545D9BAE@kahealani.com> Message-ID: <54E0C022-FC10-11D7-A2BD-000393C34F68@mac.com> On Saturday, October 11, 2003, at 10:06 AM, Angela Kahealani wrote: > I went from floppy-diskettes to DVD technology, skipping the CD > generation... > therefore I'm hoping that fedora project will either have CDs for > purchase, > or .iso's for DVD based installation... as I can only burn DVD's, not > CDs. Angela- DVD Readers (and every writer I have ever run into) are fully backwards compatible with CDs. If you have a DVD writer, you should still be able to burn CD ISO's. What model DVD drive do you have? (I would love to look up the specs and make sure that you can burn CDs...) more than likely you can. -Sean From ted at cypress.com Sat Oct 11 17:41:39 2003 From: ted at cypress.com (Thomas Dodd) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 12:41:39 -0500 Subject: XFree86 available via yum In-Reply-To: References: <3F880D0B.2090105@gmx.de> Message-ID: <3F8840D3.40305@cypress.com> Mike A. Harris wrote: > On Sat, 11 Oct 2003, shrek-m at gmx.de wrote: > > >>$ cat /etc/redhat-release >>Red Hat Linux release 8.0 (Psyche) > > > That is Red Hat Linux 8.0, not Fedora Core test 2. This is > fedora-test-list. ;o) > > [mharris at people unstable]$ cat README.yum > [xfree86] > name=Mike A. Harris' experimental XFree86 and other packages for Fedora Core > baseurl=ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris/testing/unstable Yum seams just fine here. 'yum check-update' many XFree86 4.3.0-39 packages listed. To be tried later.... -Thomas From jaap_haitsma at zonnet.nl Sat Oct 11 17:42:33 2003 From: jaap_haitsma at zonnet.nl (Jaap A. Haitsma) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 19:42:33 +0200 Subject: ncftp is not so nice Message-ID: <3F884109.7030308@zonnet.nl> Hi, As soon as I do a get with ncftp of a file, all other applications cannot access the internet anymore. Even ping doesn't work. When the transfer has stopped everything works fine again. I'm running ncftp 3.1.6-1. Anybody else seeing this? Jaap From cochranb at speakeasy.net Sat Oct 11 18:01:31 2003 From: cochranb at speakeasy.net (Robert L Cochran) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 14:01:31 -0400 Subject: DVD ISO's In-Reply-To: <54E0C022-FC10-11D7-A2BD-000393C34F68@mac.com> References: <54E0C022-FC10-11D7-A2BD-000393C34F68@mac.com> Message-ID: <3F88457B.1080104@speakeasy.net> Yes I completely agree. A DVD burner can burn a CD. The usual problem is that with DVD burning itself, people don't pay careful attention to the format that the DVD burner allows (+RW or -RW) and buy the wrong DVDs. The manufacturing idiots are learning to stick to only one standard through the miracle of product returns. Bob Bob Sean Earp wrote: > > On Saturday, October 11, 2003, at 10:06 AM, Angela Kahealani wrote: > >> I went from floppy-diskettes to DVD technology, skipping the CD >> generation... >> therefore I'm hoping that fedora project will either have CDs for >> purchase, >> or .iso's for DVD based installation... as I can only burn DVD's, not >> CDs. > > > Angela- > > DVD Readers (and every writer I have ever run into) are fully backwards > compatible with CDs. If you have a DVD writer, you should still be able > to burn CD ISO's. What model DVD drive do you have? (I would love to > look up the specs and make sure that you can burn CDs...) more than > likely you can. > > -Sean > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > -- Bob Cochran Greenbelt, Maryland, USA http://greenbeltcomputer.biz/ From barryn at pobox.com Sat Oct 11 18:12:46 2003 From: barryn at pobox.com (Barry K. Nathan) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 11:12:46 -0700 Subject: ncftp is not so nice In-Reply-To: <3F884109.7030308@zonnet.nl> References: <3F884109.7030308@zonnet.nl> Message-ID: <20031011181246.GA10427@ip68-4-255-84.oc.oc.cox.net> On Sat, Oct 11, 2003 at 07:42:33PM +0200, Jaap A. Haitsma wrote: > As soon as I do a get with ncftp of a file, all other applications > cannot access the internet anymore. Even ping doesn't work. > When the transfer has stopped everything works fine again. > > I'm running ncftp 3.1.6-1. > Anybody else seeing this? I haven't, but then again I haven't used ncftp in a while (except on systems that don't have lftp installed). Try lftp (or some other FTP client) and see if it has the same problem. Also, what speed is your Internet connection? Is it dialup or "broadband"? This info might help me make an educated guess as to what's going on... -Barry K. Nathan From balay at fastmail.fm Sat Oct 11 19:26:40 2003 From: balay at fastmail.fm (Satish Balay) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 14:26:40 -0500 (CDT) Subject: XFree86 available via yum In-Reply-To: References: <3F880D0B.2090105@gmx.de> Message-ID: On Sat, 11 Oct 2003, Mike A. Harris wrote: > [mharris at people unstable]$ cat README.yum > [xfree86] > name=Mike A. Harris' experimental XFree86 and other packages for Fedora Core > baseurl=ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris/testing/unstable Yum works fine with this rep.. I've updated from rawhide - on a Thinkpad T40 (ATI Radeon Mobility M9 driver). The following continue to work: glxinfo(dri) chromium Fn-F3(screen blank) Fn-F4(suspend) Satish From bill at noreboots.com Sat Oct 11 19:37:12 2003 From: bill at noreboots.com (Bill Anderson) Date: 11 Oct 2003 13:37:12 -0600 Subject: What is/are freedom/rights In-Reply-To: <01L1MIVTZ40Y004SPU@rcum.uni-mb.si> References: <01L1MIVTZ40Y004SPU@rcum.uni-mb.si> Message-ID: <1065901032.7039.77.camel@locutus> On Thu, 2003-10-09 at 04:48, DAVID BALAZIC wrote: > From: "shrek-m at gmx.de" > > >Andre Verheij wrote: > > > >>I think this person should be banned from the mailing list. > >> > >> > > > >i agree! > > But there is no censorship. There is freedom of speech. > > This is a good occasion to show whether you respect > human rights and your own constitution or whether you are > just a bunch of hypocrites. Only one post on this thread. You understand not censorship, nor property rights according to this claim. This list is not a government function, and as such banning certain things from it are not censorship. Property rights are the foundation of all rights. This list is property of Red Hat, and it is theirs to do with as they so see fit. Just as your computer (assuming it's yours, of course) is yours to do with as you see fit; just as code you right is yours to do with as you see fit, or your body is yours to do with as you see fit providing you infringe not on others' rights. Now, there is no such thing as protected speech. Free speech is free speech. HOWEVER, you have no right to a particular audience! You have no right to step into my house and preach whatever you want, my ears and my house or my property and I will use them as I see fit. Prohibiting you from doing as I just stated is not a limitation on speech, it is the protection of property rights, which precede and mandate free speech. A non-governmental entity can choose to approve/disapprove of any expression it so chooses, including this list and banning certain things/people from them; just as having property rights means you can prevent certain people from occupying your property. Free speech does NOT mean you can sit on my porch with a bullhorn saying whatever you want, at noon or midnight, unless those w/in earshot approve. Free speech does not mean you can force people to listen/read; it does not mean you have a right to an audience. How odd, and unfortunately common, that someone posts about protecting rights and in the same "breath" proposes people be forced to listen to/read things they do not wish to. That is antithetical to the very idea of freedom. I believe I know where the hypocrisy lies, and it is not with banning people form this list. If the powers that be decide that I need to be banned from this list for what I just posted, so be it. It's *their* property, and I have no right to use it w/o their approval. OK, I'm done before I *really* start ranting. -- "Suppose the Second amendment said 'A well-educated electorate being necessary for self-governance in a free state, the right of the people to keep and read books shall not be infringed.' Is there anyone who would suggest that means only registered voters have a right to read?" --Georgetown University professor Robert Levy From jaap_haitsma at zonnet.nl Sat Oct 11 19:49:31 2003 From: jaap_haitsma at zonnet.nl (Jaap A. Haitsma) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 21:49:31 +0200 Subject: ncftp is not so nice In-Reply-To: <20031011181246.GA10427@ip68-4-255-84.oc.oc.cox.net> References: <3F884109.7030308@zonnet.nl> <20031011181246.GA10427@ip68-4-255-84.oc.oc.cox.net> Message-ID: <3F885ECB.4000906@zonnet.nl> Barry K. Nathan wrote: > On Sat, Oct 11, 2003 at 07:42:33PM +0200, Jaap A. Haitsma wrote: > >>As soon as I do a get with ncftp of a file, all other applications >>cannot access the internet anymore. Even ping doesn't work. >>When the transfer has stopped everything works fine again. >> >>I'm running ncftp 3.1.6-1. >>Anybody else seeing this? > > > I haven't, but then again I haven't used ncftp in a while (except on > systems that don't have lftp installed). > > Try lftp (or some other FTP client) and see if it has the same problem. > > Also, what speed is your Internet connection? Is it dialup or > "broadband"? > > This info might help me make an educated guess as to what's going on... > > -Barry K. Nathan > I just tried gFTP. I see the same thing happening overthere. I have a broadband connection (512kbps) with a wireless access point. I'm connecting to a fast ftp server. So I'm getting maximum troughput (around 50kB/s) from it. I would expect that the TCP/IP stack would be configured such, that other applications can still get some bandwidth if they need it. Such that I can still read the web or fetch mail while I'm downloading. Did the same test on Windooz XP and see the same behaviour. Jaap From bcs at metacon.ca Sat Oct 11 20:22:49 2003 From: bcs at metacon.ca (Ben Steeves) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 17:22:49 -0300 Subject: Rhythmbox/GStreamer and MP3s... Message-ID: <1065903768.23095.7.camel@ripley> Can someone share the secret to getting the mad plugin for GStreamer into Fedora? Or am I compiling the whole shebang from source (tricky, since there are multiple dependencies on gstreamer as packaged...) gstreamer-0.6.3-1 gstreamer-plugins-0.6.3-3 gstreamer-tools-0.6.3-1 rhythmbox-0.5.3-4 Any help is appreciated... -- Ben Steeves _ bcs at metacon.ca The ASCII ribbon campaign ( ) ben.steeves at unb.ca against HTML e-mail X GPG ID: 0xB3EBF1D9 http://www.metacon.ca/ascii / \ Yahoo Messenger: ben_steeves From JDrabb at tampabay.rr.com Sat Oct 11 20:33:45 2003 From: JDrabb at tampabay.rr.com (James Drabb) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 16:33:45 -0400 Subject: ncftp is not so nice In-Reply-To: <3F885ECB.4000906@zonnet.nl> References: <3F884109.7030308@zonnet.nl> <20031011181246.GA10427@ip68-4-255-84.oc.oc.cox.net> <3F885ECB.4000906@zonnet.nl> Message-ID: <1065904425.7800.41.camel@keelie.darden.com> On Sat, 2003-10-11 at 15:49, Jaap A. Haitsma wrote: > I just tried gFTP. I see the same thing happening overthere. I have a > broadband connection (512kbps) with a wireless access point. I'm > connecting to a fast ftp server. So I'm getting maximum troughput > (around 50kB/s) from it. I would expect that the TCP/IP stack would be > configured such, that other applications can still get some bandwidth if > they need it. Such that I can still read the web or fetch mail while I'm > downloading. Did the same test on Windooz XP and see the same behaviour. > > Jaap Maybe ask your ISP what is going on? I have a 256kbps/128kbps cable modem and I often have several downloads going at once while reading mail and browsing /., all getting very good download speeds. Is there some type of firewall only allowing one outgoing connection at a time? Jim Drabb -- James Drabb Senior Programmer Analyst Davenport, FL USA From louisg00 at bellsouth.net Sat Oct 11 20:50:17 2003 From: louisg00 at bellsouth.net (Louis Garcia) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 16:50:17 -0400 Subject: Look like gpm is trying to start twice Message-ID: <1065905417.3763.2.camel@tiger> Oct 11 16:20:33 tiger sshd: succeeded Oct 11 16:20:33 tiger xinetd: xinetd startup succeeded Oct 11 16:20:34 tiger gpm: gpm startup succeeded <----------- Oct 11 16:20:34 tiger crond: crond startup succeeded Oct 11 16:20:34 tiger xinetd[2752]: xinetd Version 2.3.12 started with libwrap loadavg options compiled in. Oct 11 16:20:34 tiger xinetd[2752]: Started working: 1 available service Oct 11 16:20:35 tiger xfs: xfs startup succeeded Oct 11 16:20:35 tiger anacron: anacron startup succeeded Oct 11 16:20:35 tiger atd: atd startup succeeded Oct 11 16:20:35 tiger xfs: ignoring font path element /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/cyrillic (unreadable) Oct 11 16:20:35 tiger rc: Starting firstboot: succeeded Oct 11 16:20:35 tiger messagebus: messagebus startup succeeded Oct 11 16:20:35 tiger rhnsd[2855]: Red Hat Network Services Daemon starting up. Oct 11 16:20:35 tiger rhnsd: rhnsd startup succeeded Oct 11 16:20:37 tiger modprobe: modprobe: Can't locate module char-major-10-134 Oct 11 16:20:43 tiger gpm[2762]: O0o.oops(): [gpm.c(949)]: <---------- Oct 11 16:20:43 tiger gpm[2762]: mouse initialization failed <-------- --Lou From christoph.wickert at web.de Sat Oct 11 21:13:54 2003 From: christoph.wickert at web.de (Christoph Wickert) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 23:13:54 +0200 Subject: OOo-RPMS from Rawhide - no German GUI with Shrike In-Reply-To: <3F883C40.10005@gmx.net> References: <3F883C40.10005@gmx.net> Message-ID: <3F887292.7060003@web.de> Stefan Hoelldampf schrieb: >Hi, > >Perhaps the following problem is Shrike-specific, but there is no >German translating after installing the three openoffice.org-1.1.0-2 >RPMs from Rawhide on my Shrike-box. >Only "oosetup" detects my settings in /etc/sysconfig/i18n >LANG="de_DE at euro" >and opens a "German" window. > > No, it's not Shrike-specific, Fedora Core too. Christoph From tvinhas at techbyte.com.br Sat Oct 11 21:21:46 2003 From: tvinhas at techbyte.com.br (Thiago Vinhas de Moraes) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 18:21:46 -0300 Subject: How to duplicate a HD using dd Message-ID: <1065907306.5170.2.camel@techbyte.com.br> Hi! Sory for the OT, but does anyone the best way to duplicate a HD in Fedora, just like Norton Ghost does in Winblows? I tried to use dd if=/dev/hda of=/dev/hdb, but the proccess has never stoped, after a few hours. Both are 40Gb hard drives, but from different manufacters. One is a Maxtor, and the other one is a Samsung. Thanks in advance, Thiago From tvinhas at techbyte.com.br Sat Oct 11 21:25:38 2003 From: tvinhas at techbyte.com.br (Thiago Vinhas de Moraes) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 18:25:38 -0300 Subject: Fedora 0.95 release already usable from up2date In-Reply-To: <3F883A1F.4080007@lopht.net> References: <1065876992.8467.0.camel@techbyte.com.br> <3F881B82.7090604@zonnet.nl> <20031011171558.56f193b4.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de> <3F883A1F.4080007@lopht.net> Message-ID: <1065907537.5170.5.camel@techbyte.com.br> Em S?b, 2003-10-11 ?s 14:13, Justin Georgeson escreveu: > Michael Schwendt wrote: > > On Sat, 11 Oct 2003 17:02:26 +0200, Jaap A. Haitsma wrote: > > > > > >>Thiago Vinhas de Moraes wrote: > >> > >>>Hi, > >>> > >>>I noticed this morning that it's already possible to get packages from > >>>up2date when using the latest fedora 0.95. > >>> > >> > >>Strange here it still says there is no matching channel for 0.95 > >>Am I doing something wrong > > > > > > You can get many new packages with > > > > up2date --nox -u --upgrade-to-release=0.94 > > > > The 0.95 channel doesn't exist yet. > > > > The latest up2date packages are configured to use the yum repo for > rawhide on ftp.redhat.com instead of RHN. So if Thiago updated his > up2date package manually, as I did, then you will continue to get > updates. Some people are having trouble with this though, but it works > fine for me. That's exactly what I did, but I didn't know about the change in the yum repo. But it's running very clean and solid. By the way, after all the recent updates, this is the most solid desktop I'd used in the last 10 years. Dude, it looks like a baby. So clean and cute and fast... congratulations for all the envolved in this project. Best Regards, Thiago Vinhas From tvinhas at techbyte.com.br Sat Oct 11 21:28:07 2003 From: tvinhas at techbyte.com.br (Thiago Vinhas de Moraes) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 18:28:07 -0300 Subject: OOo-RPMS from Rawhide - no German GUI with Shrike In-Reply-To: <3F887292.7060003@web.de> References: <3F883C40.10005@gmx.net> <3F887292.7060003@web.de> Message-ID: <1065907687.5170.7.camel@techbyte.com.br> Em S?b, 2003-10-11 ?s 18:13, Christoph Wickert escreveu: > Stefan Hoelldampf schrieb: > > >Hi, > > > >Perhaps the following problem is Shrike-specific, but there is no > >German translating after installing the three openoffice.org-1.1.0-2 > >RPMs from Rawhide on my Shrike-box. > >Only "oosetup" detects my settings in /etc/sysconfig/i18n > >LANG="de_DE at euro" > >and opens a "German" window. > > > > > No, it's not Shrike-specific, Fedora Core too. I don't get it... I would like to have my OOo running the the brazilian portuguese translation. How to do this? Regards, Thiago From shrek-m at gmx.de Sat Oct 11 21:54:30 2003 From: shrek-m at gmx.de (shrek-m at gmx.de) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 23:54:30 +0200 Subject: XFree86 available via yum In-Reply-To: References: <3F880D0B.2090105@gmx.de> Message-ID: <3F887C16.70100@gmx.de> Mike A. Harris wrote: >[mharris at people unstable]$ cat README.yum >[xfree86] >name=Mike A. Harris' experimental XFree86 and other packages for Fedora Core >baseurl=ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris/testing/unstable > > yuuuuuumm ;-) [rawhide] name=rawhide baseurl=http://ftp.redhat.com/pub/redhat/linux/rawhide #baseurl=ftp://ftp.redhat.com/pub/redhat/linux/rawhide -- shrek-m From jdow at earthlink.net Sat Oct 11 22:16:59 2003 From: jdow at earthlink.net (jdow) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 15:16:59 -0700 Subject: How to duplicate a HD using dd References: <1065907306.5170.2.camel@techbyte.com.br> Message-ID: <029201c39045$644cbe00$2eedfea9@kittycat> From: "Thiago Vinhas de Moraes" > Sory for the OT, but does anyone the best way to duplicate a HD in > Fedora, just like Norton Ghost does in Winblows? > > I tried to use dd if=/dev/hda of=/dev/hdb, but the proccess has never > stoped, after a few hours. > Both are 40Gb hard drives, but from different manufacters. One is a > Maxtor, and the other one is a Samsung. If the drives are basically the same size with the destination drive being the larger drive if you elect to waste some drive, then the dd approach is the fastest. However it is best to add a suitable "bs=8225280" or if you don't wish to be so profligate with memory "bs=131072" should be nearly as fast. "dd if=/dev/hda of=/dev/hdb bs=131072", for example {^_^} From tvinhas at techbyte.com.br Sat Oct 11 22:44:17 2003 From: tvinhas at techbyte.com.br (Thiago Vinhas de Moraes) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 19:44:17 -0300 Subject: How to duplicate a HD using dd In-Reply-To: <029201c39045$644cbe00$2eedfea9@kittycat> References: <1065907306.5170.2.camel@techbyte.com.br> <029201c39045$644cbe00$2eedfea9@kittycat> Message-ID: <1065912257.5170.13.camel@techbyte.com.br> Em S?b, 2003-10-11 ?s 19:16, jdow escreveu: > From: "Thiago Vinhas de Moraes" > > > Sory for the OT, but does anyone the best way to duplicate a HD in > > Fedora, just like Norton Ghost does in Winblows? > > > > I tried to use dd if=/dev/hda of=/dev/hdb, but the proccess has never > > stoped, after a few hours. > > Both are 40Gb hard drives, but from different manufacters. One is a > > Maxtor, and the other one is a Samsung. > > If the drives are basically the same size with the destination drive > being the larger drive if you elect to waste some drive, then the > dd approach is the fastest. However it is best to add a suitable > "bs=8225280" or if you don't wish to be so profligate with memory > "bs=131072" should be nearly as fast. > > "dd if=/dev/hda of=/dev/hdb bs=131072", for example What's the difference between "bs=8225280" and "bs=131072" ? I tried without the "bs" and when booted with the copied drive, got infinite fsck problems that I don't have with the original hd. Do you know why? Thanks for your help. Thiago From jdow at earthlink.net Sat Oct 11 23:12:33 2003 From: jdow at earthlink.net (jdow) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 16:12:33 -0700 Subject: How to duplicate a HD using dd References: <1065907306.5170.2.camel@techbyte.com.br> <029201c39045$644cbe00$2eedfea9@kittycat> <1065912257.5170.13.camel@techbyte.com.br> Message-ID: <029f01c3904d$278169a0$2eedfea9@kittycat> From: "Thiago Vinhas de Moraes" > Em S?b, 2003-10-11 ?s 19:16, jdow escreveu: > > From: "Thiago Vinhas de Moraes" > > > > > Sory for the OT, but does anyone the best way to duplicate a HD in > > > Fedora, just like Norton Ghost does in Winblows? > > > > > > I tried to use dd if=/dev/hda of=/dev/hdb, but the proccess has never > > > stoped, after a few hours. > > > Both are 40Gb hard drives, but from different manufacters. One is a > > > Maxtor, and the other one is a Samsung. > > > > If the drives are basically the same size with the destination drive > > being the larger drive if you elect to waste some drive, then the > > dd approach is the fastest. However it is best to add a suitable > > "bs=8225280" or if you don't wish to be so profligate with memory > > "bs=131072" should be nearly as fast. > > > > "dd if=/dev/hda of=/dev/hdb bs=131072", for example > > What's the difference between "bs=8225280" and "bs=131072" ? > > I tried without the "bs" and when booted with the copied drive, got > infinite fsck problems that I don't have with the original hd. Do you > know why? I've no idea. One might say RTFMP here. Man pages really are worthwhile reading. "bs" is block size. The larger value happens to be one full cylinder. The smaller value is 128k bytes, 2048 blocks. It's a "nice" value for older (and perhaps current) IDE drives that have 15 bit transfer counters. The default copy is performed block by block. So it gets VERY slow with the overhead of reading one block then writing one block repeatedly. You MAY have an addressing problem for the drive. But the kernel should have the drives figured out. If the destination drive is smaller than the source drive that will kill your last partition. If the drive is a single partition drive that could be the problem. Actually, I use a slightly different script. I copy exactly one block starting at block zero. Then I copy the rest of the logical cylinder skipping the first block on the two disks. Then I copy by logical cylinders for the rest of the disk, skipping the first cylinders on the two disks. This script came about due to a crazed set of logic in some older SCSI drives that would become unusable until reformatted if you ever wrote more than one block starting at exactly block zero. I've never figured out the reason for this. But it has bitten me so hard in the past that I've eschewed ever doing it again. I've not seen the effect on IDE/ATA drives. But I tend to the "too many times bitten time to be shy" philosophy. (Yeah, that one's bitten me twice. Sometimes I fail to learn from my own mistrakes and have to kick myself around the block a few times.) If you are not trying to clone a root filesystem disk you might be better off simply creating matching partitions on the new drive and "cp -a" all the data from partition to partition. That has a minor advantage of eliminating some of the file fragmentation that grows on active data drives. {^_^} From wrrhdev at riede.org Sat Oct 11 23:24:09 2003 From: wrrhdev at riede.org (Willem Riede) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 19:24:09 -0400 Subject: How to duplicate a HD using dd In-Reply-To: <1065912257.5170.13.camel@techbyte.com.br> (from tvinhas@techbyte.com.br on Sat, Oct 11, 2003 at 18:44:17 -0400) References: <1065907306.5170.2.camel@techbyte.com.br> <029201c39045$644cbe00$2eedfea9@kittycat> <1065912257.5170.13.camel@techbyte.com.br> Message-ID: <20031011232409.GA26690@linnie.riede.org> On 2003.10.11 18:44, Thiago Vinhas de Moraes wrote: > Em S?b, 2003-10-11 ?s 19:16, jdow escreveu: > > From: "Thiago Vinhas de Moraes" > > > > > Sory for the OT, but does anyone the best way to duplicate a HD in > > > Fedora, just like Norton Ghost does in Winblows? > > > > > > I tried to use dd if=/dev/hda of=/dev/hdb, but the proccess has never > > > stoped, after a few hours. > > > Both are 40Gb hard drives, but from different manufacters. One is a > > > Maxtor, and the other one is a Samsung. > > > > If the drives are basically the same size with the destination drive > > being the larger drive if you elect to waste some drive, then the > > dd approach is the fastest. However it is best to add a suitable > > "bs=8225280" or if you don't wish to be so profligate with memory > > "bs=131072" should be nearly as fast. > > > > "dd if=/dev/hda of=/dev/hdb bs=131072", for example > > What's the difference between "bs=8225280" and "bs=131072" ? > > I tried without the "bs" and when booted with the copied drive, got > infinite fsck problems that I don't have with the original hd. Do you > know why? Even though the two drives are about the same size, they probably have different geometries (number of cylinders, etc.). That means that the partition table that you copied with 'dd' is not going to work. You may be able to set up partitions manually on your new hd that are no smaller that those on your old drive that have data you need to copy (swap is an example of one you don't want to copy), and then do 'dd' partition by partition (hda1 to hdb1, etc.). The bs= parameter determines how much gets read from drive one before switching over to drive 2 and writing. Too small a size makes 'dd' inefficient. If this is all that you are doing on your PC, you can use a good bit of memory, such as 8M (I like powers of 2 -- this is not exactly the same size as suggested above, but close). Success, Willem Riede. From cochranb at speakeasy.net Sat Oct 11 23:32:12 2003 From: cochranb at speakeasy.net (Robert L Cochran) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 19:32:12 -0400 Subject: How to duplicate a HD using dd In-Reply-To: <20031011232409.GA26690@linnie.riede.org> References: <1065907306.5170.2.camel@techbyte.com.br> <029201c39045$644cbe00$2eedfea9@kittycat> <1065912257.5170.13.camel@techbyte.com.br> <20031011232409.GA26690@linnie.riede.org> Message-ID: <3F8892FC.5050807@speakeasy.net> Well you know, there IS a Hard Drive Upgrade How To on the LDP. It gives every needed detail. I've done it 3 times now and generally move up to bigger drives that way. Bob Willem Riede wrote: > On 2003.10.11 18:44, Thiago Vinhas de Moraes wrote: > >>Em S?b, 2003-10-11 ?s 19:16, jdow escreveu: >> >>>From: "Thiago Vinhas de Moraes" >>> >>>>Sory for the OT, but does anyone the best way to duplicate a HD in >>>>Fedora, just like Norton Ghost does in Winblows? >>>> >>>>I tried to use dd if=/dev/hda of=/dev/hdb, but the proccess has never >>>>stoped, after a few hours. >>>>Both are 40Gb hard drives, but from different manufacters. One is a >>>>Maxtor, and the other one is a Samsung. >>> >>>If the drives are basically the same size with the destination drive >>>being the larger drive if you elect to waste some drive, then the >>>dd approach is the fastest. However it is best to add a suitable >>>"bs=8225280" or if you don't wish to be so profligate with memory >>>"bs=131072" should be nearly as fast. >>> >>>"dd if=/dev/hda of=/dev/hdb bs=131072", for example >> >>What's the difference between "bs=8225280" and "bs=131072" ? >> >>I tried without the "bs" and when booted with the copied drive, got >>infinite fsck problems that I don't have with the original hd. Do you >>know why? > > > Even though the two drives are about the same size, they probably have > different geometries (number of cylinders, etc.). That means that the > partition table that you copied with 'dd' is not going to work. > > You may be able to set up partitions manually on your new hd that are > no smaller that those on your old drive that have data you need to copy > (swap is an example of one you don't want to copy), and then do 'dd' > partition by partition (hda1 to hdb1, etc.). > > The bs= parameter determines how much gets read from drive one before > switching over to drive 2 and writing. Too small a size makes 'dd' > inefficient. If this is all that you are doing on your PC, you can use > a good bit of memory, such as 8M (I like powers of 2 -- this is not > exactly the same size as suggested above, but close). > > Success, Willem Riede. > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > -- Bob Cochran Greenbelt, Maryland, USA http://greenbeltcomputer.biz/ From jdow at earthlink.net Sat Oct 11 23:33:49 2003 From: jdow at earthlink.net (jdow) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 16:33:49 -0700 Subject: How to duplicate a HD using dd References: <1065907306.5170.2.camel@techbyte.com.br> <029201c39045$644cbe00$2eedfea9@kittycat> <1065912257.5170.13.camel@techbyte.com.br> <20031011232409.GA26690@linnie.riede.org> Message-ID: <02af01c39050$1fbd02d0$2eedfea9@kittycat> From: "Willem Riede" > Even though the two drives are about the same size, they probably have > different geometries (number of cylinders, etc.). That means that the > partition table that you copied with 'dd' is not going to work. As long as the second drive is the bigger one this should "survive". > You may be able to set up partitions manually on your new hd that are > no smaller that those on your old drive that have data you need to copy > (swap is an example of one you don't want to copy), and then do 'dd' > partition by partition (hda1 to hdb1, etc.). I've had less than happy experiences with this sort of copy operation on Linux. > The bs= parameter determines how much gets read from drive one before > switching over to drive 2 and writing. Too small a size makes 'dd' > inefficient. If this is all that you are doing on your PC, you can use > a good bit of memory, such as 8M (I like powers of 2 -- this is not > exactly the same size as suggested above, but close). The size I recommended happens to be one logical cylinder on the disk. {^_^} From cochranb at speakeasy.net Sat Oct 11 23:35:39 2003 From: cochranb at speakeasy.net (Robert L Cochran) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 19:35:39 -0400 Subject: Robert Love Message-ID: <3F8893CB.7080807@speakeasy.net> ...wrote a recent book (based on the 2.6 kernel) titled Linux Kernel Development. ISBN 0672325128. Has anyone read the book? I'm just starting it myself. -- Bob Cochran Greenbelt, Maryland, USA http://greenbeltcomputer.biz/ From redhat-jc at insight.rr.com Sun Oct 12 00:24:40 2003 From: redhat-jc at insight.rr.com (Jim Cornette) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 20:24:40 -0400 Subject: Thunderbird and Firebird RPMS ? In-Reply-To: <3F8446C2.6010401@redhat.com> References: <1065457089.6460.24.camel@o7344-lnx.bic-bill.com> <3F8446C2.6010401@redhat.com> Message-ID: <3F889F48.3060708@insight.rr.com> Christopher Blizzard wrote: > Vidyut Luther wrote: > >> I'm curious if there are any plans on including Firebird, or >> Thunderbird, or both, as part of the standard distribution.. I've >> installed Firebird since day 1 of the Severn 2 install and it's great. I >> have the nightly xft2+gtk build, and not one problem whatsoever. of >> course, other people have had different experiences.. but I'm curious of >> those two products would make it to the main distro, as part of a lean >> install, for users like me, who have Evolution for mail, and just want >> Firebird for browsing, I know I don't have to install the mozilla-mail >> package, but it would be cool to not have the cruft associated with it. >> If people want the full mozilla, they can. but for people like me, can i >> just get an rpm ? >> >> >> > I haven't because it's somewhat difficult to have Firebird installed at > the same time as the rest of the browser without completely duplicating > the entire installation. And that's just a huge waste of space. > > --Chris > Also, when Thunderbird is up. You cannot launch Mozilla seperately. It interferes with the full version of Mozilla. In my case anyway. Jim -- Dreams are free, but you get soaked on the connect time. From tvinhas at techbyte.com.br Sun Oct 12 00:31:25 2003 From: tvinhas at techbyte.com.br (Thiago Vinhas de Moraes) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 21:31:25 -0300 Subject: How to duplicate a HD using dd In-Reply-To: <029f01c3904d$278169a0$2eedfea9@kittycat> References: <1065907306.5170.2.camel@techbyte.com.br> <029201c39045$644cbe00$2eedfea9@kittycat> <1065912257.5170.13.camel@techbyte.com.br> <029f01c3904d$278169a0$2eedfea9@kittycat> Message-ID: <1065918684.5170.15.camel@techbyte.com.br> Em S?b, 2003-10-11 ?s 20:12, jdow escreveu: > Actually, I use a slightly different script. > I copy exactly one block starting at block zero. Then I copy the rest > of the logical cylinder skipping the first block on the two disks. Then > I copy by logical cylinders for the rest of the disk, skipping the first > cylinders on the two disks. What script exactly do you use? From jdow at earthlink.net Sun Oct 12 02:43:53 2003 From: jdow at earthlink.net (jdow) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 19:43:53 -0700 Subject: How to duplicate a HD using dd References: <1065907306.5170.2.camel@techbyte.com.br> <029201c39045$644cbe00$2eedfea9@kittycat> <1065912257.5170.13.camel@techbyte.com.br> <029f01c3904d$278169a0$2eedfea9@kittycat> <1065918684.5170.15.camel@techbyte.com.br> Message-ID: <02cf01c3906a$ace2e570$2eedfea9@kittycat> From: "Thiago Vinhas de Moraes" > Em S?b, 2003-10-11 ?s 20:12, jdow escreveu: > > > Actually, I use a slightly different script. > > I copy exactly one block starting at block zero. Then I copy the rest > > of the logical cylinder skipping the first block on the two disks. Then > > I copy by logical cylinders for the rest of the disk, skipping the first > > cylinders on the two disks. > > What script exactly do you use? I create it anew each time I need it, I've needed it so infrequently. I don't have a copy handy. It's not really beyond mortal ken to figure out how to do it if you RTFMP and play with "skip" and "seek" at all intelligently. (Gratuitous hint, the first cylinder in the verbal script above must be copied with a 512 byte block size for 16064 blocks because seek and skip work in terms of blocks.) {^_^} From mhouston at gci.net Sun Oct 12 05:04:43 2003 From: mhouston at gci.net (Shawn Houston) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 21:04:43 -0800 Subject: battery app using much cpu In-Reply-To: <20031011171529.269033F19@void.cs.brown.edu> References: <3F84DC79.6060208@gci.net> <1065819965.10642.1.camel@zontar.clueserver.org> <3F8721D5.9030907@lopht.net> <1065888844.32599.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20031011171529.269033F19@void.cs.brown.edu> Message-ID: <1065935083.12271.5.camel@mutt.home.pc> Downloaded and installed. This package definately uses less cpu, but I am getting periodic mouse (touchpad) freezes when using it. I am using the following script until a working battery applet is found: #!/bin/sh CAPACITY=`grep 'design capacity:' /proc/acpi/battery/BAT0/info|awk '{ print $3 }'` STATE=`grep 'remaining capacity:' /proc/acpi/battery/BAT0/state|awk '{ print $3 }'` AC_ADAPTER=`awk '{ print $2 }' /proc/acpi/ac_adapter/AC/state` CHARGE=$(( ( $STATE * 100 ) / $CAPACITY )) if [ $AC_ADAPTER = "on-line" ]; then echo "Plugged in" echo "Current charge: $CHARGE %" else RATE=`grep 'present rate:' /proc/acpi/battery/BAT0/state|awk '{ print $3 }'` echo "Running on battery" TIME_LEFT_H=$(( $STATE / $RATE )) if [ $STATE -gt $RATE ]; then TIME_LEFT_M=$(( ( ( $STATE - $RATE ) * 100 ) / $RATE )) else TIME_LEFT_M=$(( ( $STATE * 100 ) / $RATE )) fi TIME_LEFT_M=$(( ( $TIME_LEFT_M * 60 ) / 100 )) echo "Battery charge remaining: $CHARGE %" echo "Time left to run: $TIME_LEFT_H hours $TIME_LEFT_M minutes" fi Some of the lines got wrapped by evolution, and the time left to run output is a work of fiction...probably needs an 80% multipier. -Shawn On Sat, 2003-10-11 at 09:15, Joel Young wrote: > Patched gnome-applets at: > > http://www.translingual.com:8080/~jdy/RPMS/ > > patched according to: > > http://www.its.caltech.edu/~dmoore/battstat/ > > bugzilla entry: > > http://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=104292 > > Joel > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list -- Shawn Houston From craig at postnewspapers.com.au Sun Oct 12 05:07:12 2003 From: craig at postnewspapers.com.au (Craig Ringer) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 13:07:12 +0800 Subject: ncftp is not so nice In-Reply-To: <1065904425.7800.41.camel@keelie.darden.com> References: <3F884109.7030308@zonnet.nl> <20031011181246.GA10427@ip68-4-255-84.oc.oc.cox.net> <3F885ECB.4000906@zonnet.nl> <1065904425.7800.41.camel@keelie.darden.com> Message-ID: <3F88E180.4050801@postnewspapers.com.au> >> I would expect that the TCP/IP stack would be >>configured such, that other applications can still get some bandwidth if >>they need it. Your machine doesn't have as much control over that as you'd expect. To control throughput, it has to drop packets until the /remote/ host slows down transmission. There's no facility (alas) to say "please tranfer at most 10kb/s". That said, it's not uncommon to support dropping packets to slow down connections - though I don't know of any FTP apps that can do it under *nix. You may want to look into QoS services like HTB or CBQ - see http://www.lartc.org/ . Using these services you can set policies on traffic, giving some kinds of traffic priority, rate-limiting other kinds, etc. While I'd love to see a GUI config tool for linux QoS - in the style of iptables apps like fwbuilder - I haven't the skill to write one and have so far just been writing scripts as needed. >> Such that I can still read the web or fetch mail while I'm >>downloading. Did the same test on Windooz XP and see the same behaviour. > Maybe ask your ISP what is going on? I have a 256kbps/128kbps cable > modem and I often have several downloads going at once while reading > mail and browsing /., all getting very good download speeds. It'll depend a lot on how well connected you are to the sources of your downloads. When I use a local FTP mirror, it'll completely max my connection and cause behaviour somewhat similar to what has been described here. Admittedly it rarely gets to the point where I'm seeing large amounts of packet loss (since the connection should back off if that's happening) but I have seen it. > Is there some type of firewall only allowing one outgoing connection at > a time? Not AFAIK. Craig Ringer From warren at togami.com Sun Oct 12 05:28:31 2003 From: warren at togami.com (Warren Togami) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 19:28:31 -1000 Subject: battery app using much cpu In-Reply-To: <1065819965.10642.1.camel@zontar.clueserver.org> References: <3F84DC79.6060208@gci.net> <1065819965.10642.1.camel@zontar.clueserver.org> Message-ID: <3F88E67F.4000408@togami.com> Alan wrote: > > Yes. It was caused on my machine by having a laptop that did not like > acpi. Try using apm instead and see what happens. > > Yes, it is a bad solution, but it worked for me... > > Alan, I've seen this happen on two Athlon laptops, one with VIA KT133 chipset, the other with an ATI Radeon chipset. Both laptops don't work very well with APM, while ACPI enables a large amount of power savings and there are zero problems unless you look at the /proc/acpi battery states. It seems to cause the entire machine to freeze for a fraction of a second, last tested with 2.6.0-test6. Warren From fedora at warmcat.com Sun Oct 12 08:20:08 2003 From: fedora at warmcat.com (Andy Green) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 09:20:08 +0100 Subject: Athlon + up2date from RH9 --> misery Message-ID: <200310120920.12731.fedora@warmcat.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi - Been fighting up2date for two days. Current state of affairs is after last update, I cannot register this system with up2date any more because it claims to have architecture athlon-redhat-linux, which presumably no longer exists. I tried to edit the config file in sysconfig to i686-redhat-linux, but it choked claiming it was a new system, presumably it failed the checksum in the XML. If Athlon arch is being deprecated, then it needs an automated change of the arach to i686 for up2date purposes. As it is my RH9 -> fedora Athlon system cannot talk to up2date. - -Andy -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/iQ68jKeDCxMJCTIRAtkRAJ9jVhOAKvQUmHzHdq1LqvJu/yIvowCfRm7k vCUUROIAon9mD9c3y+8iaGc= =PJHM -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From grant at tuins.ac.jp Sun Oct 12 09:19:57 2003 From: grant at tuins.ac.jp (rg) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 18:19:57 +0900 Subject: customzing installation cds In-Reply-To: <1065883387.16554.28.camel@bettie.internal.frields.org> References: <200310102358.50768.elwoo@videotron.ca> <3F87A50A.3020301@tuins.ac.jp> <1065883387.16554.28.camel@bettie.internal.frields.org> Message-ID: <3F891CBD.8080906@tuins.ac.jp> > > >>Once the post-beta version is out, how can one create their own >>customized cds - you know, a sort of cut down version (2-cds?). I was >>thinking of just cutting out all the server-side stuff. Of course, I am >>not looking for a full answer here, but... point me to some pertinent docs? >> >> >> > >You want the Redhat-CD-HOWTO. You can find it through TLDP at >http://www.tldp.org. It's somewhat of a process, but I've done it with >Red Hat Linux 9 to create updated "Shrike+" CD's and a network >installation service for the people in my office to use for new >installs. > > Thanks. Giving it a look right now. ralston From kms at passback.co.uk Sun Oct 12 09:52:40 2003 From: kms at passback.co.uk (Keith Sharp) Date: 12 Oct 2003 10:52:40 +0100 Subject: Java crashes thoug I export LD_ASSUME_KERNEL In-Reply-To: <1065816402.9792.132.camel@palin> References: <3F8400B5.6030609@epost.de> <200310081218.25383.elwoo@videotron.ca> <3F867EC2.1050202@epost.de> <200310101429.04134.elwoo@videotron.ca> <1065816402.9792.132.camel@palin> Message-ID: <1065952359.884.8.camel@animal> On Fri, 2003-10-10 at 21:06, Edward Muller wrote: > > I tend to create a java.sh file in /etc/profile.d with the following > lines: > > export JAVA_HOME=/usr/java/j2sdk1.4.2_01 > PATH=$PATH:$JAVA_HOME/bin > > If you use csh you will need to create java.csh instead. This probably won't do what you expect. I guess you will still be picking up the java installed as part of the GCJ package as /usr/bin/java. What happens if you run "type -a java" from a bash prompt? > P.S. I really wish the sun rpms would do something like this. You could try the RPMs from http://www.jpackage.org/. Keith. -- Keith Sharp Passback IT Consultancy From pboy at barkhof.uni-bremen.de Sun Oct 12 10:06:21 2003 From: pboy at barkhof.uni-bremen.de (Peter Boy) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 12:06:21 +0200 Subject: Fedora 0.94 & speedtouch and misc. In-Reply-To: <3F88192C.60201@free.fr> References: <3F88192C.60201@free.fr> Message-ID: <1065953062.5418.6.camel@ibmLaptop.athome.de> Am Sa, den 11.10.2003 schrieb Kibosh um 16:52: > - /etc/fstab > > I tried to mount /hda1 (ntfs) but after the reboot I could > see that the system didn't mount it, for it's a ntfs partition ntfs support is considered as too buggy (even read operations may damage the ntfs filesystem) so it's not activated in the kernel configuration. Red Hats apporach is sometimes rather conservative. > - adsl connexion (modprobe bug?) > [snip] > I still get error messages like "modprobe not found" and > "modem_run not found". > So I typed "modprobe usbcore" in a root console and got the same kind of modprobe is in /sbin, but /sbin is not in your path, performing su. You have to perform a "su -" or add /sbin/ to your scripts. Peter From p00mda at du.se Sun Oct 12 11:27:58 2003 From: p00mda at du.se (Mattias Dahlberg) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 13:27:58 +0200 (MEST) Subject: Adjusting Bluecurve to follow Fitts' Law Message-ID: Hi, If you're like me and still use some maximized windows maybe you've noticed that you have to target the close button instead of just placing the pointer in the top-right corner of the screen. The following adjustment to Bluecurve makes it follow Fitts' Law, i.e. makes using the widgets easier when the window is maximized. [1] Edit /usr/share/themes/Bluecurve/metacity-1/metacity-theme-1.xml and change the first occurence of: to: Done. I have to add though that this is not the ultimate solution as you're forced to change the appearance of the widgets to achive this goal. It would be nicer if the widgets followed Fitts' Law by default, but as long as that doesn't happen this will have to do. [1] And in fact easier when the window is not maximized as well, as the widgets become bigger. The result: http://users.du.se/~mda/bc-fitts.jpg Regards, Mattias From paul at frields.com Sun Oct 12 12:56:36 2003 From: paul at frields.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 08:56:36 -0400 Subject: Evolution Cruft In-Reply-To: <3F88274B.4040508@web.de> References: <1065883135.16554.25.camel@bettie.internal.frields.org> <3F88274B.4040508@web.de> Message-ID: <1065963396.26727.0.camel@bettie.internal.frields.org> On Sat, 2003-10-11 at 11:52, Christoph Wickert wrote: > >Interestingly enough, though, on my system evolution-wombat remains > >running after logging out of a GNOME session. Apparently this blocks the > >bonobo-activation-server from stopping, and upon trying to login to > >GNOME again, this causes the gnome-settings-daemon to issue numerous > >errors and refuse to start applets in the panel. I think other people on > >fedora-test-list have mentioned having this problem also, so I BZ'd it > >as well, after trying to make sure no one else had. Anyone else out > >there care to relay their experiences in this matter? > > > Do you have the latest ORBit2 rpms installed (2.8.1.90-1) Should fix the > wombat errors. All updates installed, as I mentioned, including that one. Does not fix the errors here. -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE From chrisw01 at privatei.com Sun Oct 12 12:57:28 2003 From: chrisw01 at privatei.com (Christopher A. Williams) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 06:57:28 -0600 Subject: HP PSC Printers Message-ID: <1065963448.8835.9.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> Anyone have any experience with the HP PSC combo printers with Fedora? My father just bought a PSC2410xi yesterday and I was helping him to install it. We've connected it to a usb port. While he is still running Red Hat 9 at the moment, I do intend to upgrade his system to Fedora once 1.0 hits. Frankly, the usb, hpoj and libsane-hpoj drivers on RH9 with this device, ..ummm ...stink big time. Using the hpoj and libsane-hpoj drivers that come with RH9, the printer is completely unstable. Any attempt to print or scan anything immediately results in the entire system locking up. We're talking all you can do is power off and back on again. I've seen this before on Fedora when trying to make things work with my USB connected Palm Pilot. I must say that the latest Fedora updates seem to be better. My father's printer works just fine using the standard hpijs drivers and NOT using the hpoj stuff, but then the scanner functions obviously don't work. I really think this is a usb driver issue on RH9, but I'm not sure and I'm quite concerned this has carried over to Fedora as well. If this would work reliably, I would consider getting one myself in a few weeks. Other's experience and advice is welcome! Cheers, Chris -- ==================================== "If you get to thinkin' you're a person of some influence, try orderin' someone else's dog around." --Cowboy Wisdom From twaugh at redhat.com Sun Oct 12 13:15:25 2003 From: twaugh at redhat.com (Tim Waugh) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 14:15:25 +0100 Subject: HP PSC Printers In-Reply-To: <1065963448.8835.9.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> References: <1065963448.8835.9.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> Message-ID: <20031012131524.GN2229@redhat.com> On Sun, Oct 12, 2003 at 06:57:28AM -0600, Christopher A. Williams wrote: > Anyone have any experience with the HP PSC combo printers with Fedora? Yes, it's working well for me. > My father just bought a PSC2410xi yesterday and I was helping him to > install it. We've connected it to a usb port. While he is still running > Red Hat 9 at the moment, I do intend to upgrade his system to Fedora > once 1.0 hits. Frankly, the usb, hpoj and libsane-hpoj drivers on RH9 > with this device, ..ummm ...stink big time. Did you look at http://cyberelk.net/tim/hpoj.html? There is an open bugzilla entry about automatic hpoj set-up, but it is unfortunately an awkward thing to attempt. Hopefully the upstream hpoj package will make this easier in future. Tim. */ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From alan at redhat.com Sun Oct 12 13:21:16 2003 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 09:21:16 -0400 (EDT) Subject: what to use instead of tripwire?t In-Reply-To: from "Robert P. J. Day" at Hyd 11, 2003 02:44:33 Message-ID: <200310121321.h9CDLGm26321@devserv.devel.redhat.com> > sorry, let me rephrase that. now that tripwire is not shipped > *automatically* with fedora, is there an alternate file integrity > checker covered by the GPL that would be a good replacement? For everything in RPM format you can use rpm --verify From paul at frields.com Sun Oct 12 13:25:27 2003 From: paul at frields.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 09:25:27 -0400 Subject: How to duplicate a HD using dd In-Reply-To: <02cf01c3906a$ace2e570$2eedfea9@kittycat> References: <1065907306.5170.2.camel@techbyte.com.br> <029201c39045$644cbe00$2eedfea9@kittycat> <1065912257.5170.13.camel@techbyte.com.br> <029f01c3904d$278169a0$2eedfea9@kittycat> <1065918684.5170.15.camel@techbyte.com.br> <02cf01c3906a$ace2e570$2eedfea9@kittycat> Message-ID: <1065965127.26727.10.camel@bettie.internal.frields.org> On Sat, 2003-10-11 at 22:43, jdow wrote: > > > Actually, I use a slightly different script. > > > I copy exactly one block starting at block zero. Then I copy the rest > > > of the logical cylinder skipping the first block on the two disks. Then > > > I copy by logical cylinders for the rest of the disk, skipping the first > > > cylinders on the two disks. > > > > What script exactly do you use? > > I create it anew each time I need it, I've needed it so infrequently. > I don't have a copy handy. It's not really beyond mortal ken to figure > out how to do it if you RTFMP and play with "skip" and "seek" at all > intelligently. (Gratuitous hint, the first cylinder in the verbal > script above must be copied with a 512 byte block size for 16064 blocks > because seek and skip work in terms of blocks.) Just to throw in my $0.02, for several years I practiced as a forensic media analyst (and instructor in the science thereof). In general, with modern IDE drives, you get best results from: 1. Moving the two drives to separate controllers to maximize speed (e.g. /dev/hda and /dev/hdc); 2. Using a block size of usually 8 Kb - 32 Kb; 3. Making sure that your hdparm -i reports use of UDMA mode (32-bit access, DMA on, UDMA enabled in kernel) for drives that support it. The reason simply doing "dd if=/dev/hda of=/dev/hdc" is so slow is that the kernel block ioctls are written to 1 Kb blocks, while dd defaults to a 512-byte block size. This means that you have to do two ioctls for every 1Kb to satisfy the kernel, and that *really* slows down the process. You can see the difference in results by simply writing a small test script and testing a long copy (say, several cylinders worth, or just a random number of some hundreds of megabytes) with varying block size. The largest jump in efficiency occurs between 512 byte blocks and 1 Kb blocks. After that, the differences are significant but smaller up to somewhere between 8 Kb and 32 Kb for most systems. Using block sizes much larger than that are usually not effective in speeding the transfer further. I've done this literally *tens of thousands* of times, including both in production phases and scientific testing environments, during my work as a forensic examiner, using 2.0, 2.2 and 2.4 kernels. Nevertheless, I would encourage you to test it on your own to verify these results. Good luck! -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE From rshaw5 at midsouth.rr.com Sun Oct 12 13:51:29 2003 From: rshaw5 at midsouth.rr.com (Richard Shaw) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 08:51:29 -0500 Subject: Pause at kernel boot Message-ID: <1065966689.7313.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> I just installed severn 2 on my ASUS A7N8X-Deluxe and I have a strange pause when booting. I'm using a 120GB SATA Maxtor drive with the Silicon Image SiI3112 onboard SATA. I've included the part of dmesg that applies along with where the pause is. Thanks, Richard Uniform Multi-Platform E-IDE driver Revision: 7.00beta4-2.4 ide: Assuming 33MHz system bus speed for PIO modes; override with idebus=xx NFORCE2: IDE controller at PCI slot 00:09.0 NFORCE2: chipset revision 162 NFORCE2: not 100% native mode: will probe irqs later AMD_IDE: nVidia Corporation nForce2 IDE (rev a2) UDMA100 controller on pci00:09.0 ide0: BM-DMA at 0xf000-0xf007, BIOS settings: hda:DMA, hdb:DMA ide1: BM-DMA at 0xf008-0xf00f, BIOS settings: hdc:DMA, hdd:DMA SiI3112 Serial ATA: IDE controller at PCI slot 01:0b.0 SiI3112 Serial ATA: chipset revision 2 SiI3112 Serial ATA: not 100% native mode: will probe irqs later ide2: MMIO-DMA , BIOS settings: hde:pio, hdf:pio ide3: MMIO-DMA , BIOS settings: hdg:pio, hdh:pio hdb: C/H/S=20510/81/100 from BIOS ignored hda: PLEXTOR CD-R PX-W2410A, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive hdb: IOMEGA ZIP 250 ATAPI, ATAPI FLOPPY drive hdb: set_drive_speed_status: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error } hdb: set_drive_speed_status: error=0x04 ide0: Drive 1 didn't accept speed setting. Oh, well. hdc: Pioneer DVD-ROM ATAPIModel DVD-115 0133, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive hde: Maxtor 6Y120M0, ATA DISK drive blk: queue c0407118, I/O limit 4095Mb (mask 0xffffffff) *** Pauses Here *** hdg: no response (status = 0xfe) ide0 at 0x1f0-0x1f7,0x3f6 on irq 14 ide1 at 0x170-0x177,0x376 on irq 15 ide2 at 0xe0815080-0xe0815087,0xe081508a on irq 11 hde: attached ide-disk driver. hde: host protected area => 1 hde: 240121728 sectors (122942 MB) w/7936KiB Cache, CHS=238216/16/63 hdb: attached ide-floppy driver. hdb: 98304kB, 196608 blocks, 512 sector size hdb: 98304kB, 96/64/32 CHS, 4096 kBps, 512 sector size, 2941 rpm Partition check: hdb: hdb4 hde: [PTBL] [14946/255/63] hde1 hde2 hde3 hde4 < hde5 hde6 > ide: late registration of driver. From erqu0001 at d.umn.edu Sun Oct 12 16:25:55 2003 From: erqu0001 at d.umn.edu (Santiago Erquicia) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 11:25:55 -0500 Subject: Sound Card problem Message-ID: <1065975955.4011.10.camel@argentina> I have a new Toshiba notebook with an M5451 PCI AC-Link audio card. The audio is working, but within the gnome-volume-control appears as if I had two audio cards and both says "Unknown". First I thought it was a problem with that program, but now I want to use GnomeMeeting and it doesn't work the sound. If I try to configure the devices, I have two of them (dsp/dsp1 nad mixer/mixer1) for every possibility and there is no combination possible to make it work. When I try dsp1 and mixer1 it says that it failed to open the device. Gnome-sound-recorder works well though. Does anyone can give me a hint? Which component should I use in bugzilla? This is the output of /sbin/lspci: 00:00.0 Host bridge: ALi Corporation: Unknown device 1672 00:01.0 PCI bridge: ALi Corporation PCI to AGP Controller 00:04.0 IDE interface: ALi Corporation M5229 IDE (rev c4) 00:06.0 Multimedia audio controller: ALi Corporation M5451 PCI AC-Link Controller Audio Device (rev 02) 00:07.0 ISA bridge: ALi Corporation M1533 PCI to ISA Bridge [Aladdin IV] 00:08.0 Bridge: ALi Corporation M7101 PMU 00:09.0 Modem: ALi Corporation Intel 537 [M5457 AC-Link Modem] 00:0a.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL-8139/8139C/8139C+ (rev 10) 00:0c.0 USB Controller: NEC Corporation USB (rev 43) 00:0c.1 USB Controller: NEC Corporation USB (rev 43) 00:0c.2 USB Controller: NEC Corporation USB 2.0 (rev 04) 00:10.0 CardBus bridge: Texas Instruments PCI1410 PC card Cardbus Controller (rev 01) 00:11.0 CardBus bridge: Toshiba America Info Systems ToPIC95 PCI to Cardbus Bridge with ZV Support (rev 33) 00:12.0 System peripheral: Toshiba America Info Systems SD TypA Controller (rev 05) 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Trident Microsystems CyberBlade XPAi1 (rev 82) From whooperhsd3 at earthlink.net Sun Oct 12 16:30:25 2003 From: whooperhsd3 at earthlink.net (William Hooper) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 12:30:25 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Athlon + up2date from RH9 --> misery In-Reply-To: <200310120920.12731.fedora@warmcat.com> References: <200310120920.12731.fedora@warmcat.com> Message-ID: <64630.65.40.134.44.1065976225.squirrel@whooper.org> Andy Green said: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Hi - > > Been fighting up2date for two days. Current state of affairs is after > last update, I cannot register this system with up2date any more > because it claims to have architecture athlon-redhat-linux, which > presumably no longer exists. Since you provide no error messages, we are forced to guess. Are you sure it isn't the issue of the "fedora-release" package being updated without a corresponding channel in RHN? http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/2003-October/msg01102.html -- William Hooper From jgeorgeson at lopht.net Sun Oct 12 17:08:40 2003 From: jgeorgeson at lopht.net (Justin Georgeson) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 12:08:40 -0500 Subject: what to use instead of tripwire?t In-Reply-To: <200310121321.h9CDLGm26321@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <200310121321.h9CDLGm26321@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <3F898A98.90308@lopht.net> Alan Cox wrote: >>sorry, let me rephrase that. now that tripwire is not shipped >>*automatically* with fedora, is there an alternate file integrity >>checker covered by the GPL that would be a good replacement? > > > For everything in RPM format you can use rpm --verify But that will signal every config file you have changed from it's default settings. And it will miss config files that aren't part of the RPM. From fedora at warmcat.com Sun Oct 12 17:18:27 2003 From: fedora at warmcat.com (Andy Green) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 18:18:27 +0100 Subject: Athlon + up2date from RH9 --> misery In-Reply-To: <64630.65.40.134.44.1065976225.squirrel@whooper.org> References: <200310120920.12731.fedora@warmcat.com> <64630.65.40.134.44.1065976225.squirrel@whooper.org> Message-ID: <200310121818.35938.fedora@warmcat.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Sunday 12 October 2003 17:30, William Hooper wrote: > Andy Green said: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > Hi - > > > > Been fighting up2date for two days. Current state of affairs is > > after last update, I cannot register this system with up2date any > > more because it claims to have architecture athlon-redhat-linux, > > which presumably no longer exists. > > Since you provide no error messages, we are forced to guess. Are Sorry, I will try to be more helpful. > you sure it isn't the issue of the "fedora-release" package being > updated without a corresponding channel in RHN? > > http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/2003-October/msg011 >02.html I think you're right. Here is the situation explained in a bit more detail. 1) Go to rhn.redhat.com in browser and delete all system profiles 2) up2date --register as root 3) Use existing account credentials (which currently has no systems). The information included about hardware and network section says: Redhat Linux version: 0.95 CPU Model: AMD Athlon(tm) XP 1900+ Hostname cb.ath.cx CPU Speed 1599MHz IP Address 127.0.0.1 Memory: 768 megabytes (The memory has previously been seen to report 4MB). 4) After a progress dialog for a few seconds, the Up2date app shows the following: System Registered but Inactive Important Registration Info Invalid architecture and OS release combination (0.95, athlon-redhat-linux) Because the 2.6 test kernels for athlon arch were yanked, when I saw the first words "Invalid architecture" I assumed this was a general revocation of the athlon-specific packages, and that because up2date felt it was on an Athlon machine it was never going to be able to get any new packages... looks like I was completely confused and its the same problem as you pointed out. - -Andy -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/iYzqjKeDCxMJCTIRAhgKAJ0YSKMzxYKkMovr3ySDzQhv15SoGQCcCnA9 kBM6iqvHTHfweFVmntouqVY= =TFdQ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From craig at postnewspapers.com.au Sun Oct 12 17:22:40 2003 From: craig at postnewspapers.com.au (Craig Ringer) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 01:22:40 +0800 Subject: what to use instead of tripwire?t In-Reply-To: <3F898A98.90308@lopht.net> References: <200310121321.h9CDLGm26321@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <3F898A98.90308@lopht.net> Message-ID: <3F898DE0.9030302@postnewspapers.com.au> >>> sorry, let me rephrase that. now that tripwire is not shipped >>> *automatically* with fedora, is there an alternate file integrity >>> checker covered by the GPL that would be a good replacement? >> >> For everything in RPM format you can use rpm --verify > > But that will signal every config file you have changed from it's > default settings. And it will miss config files that aren't part of the > RPM. For that matter, it can be easily bypassed by a modified RPM database or binary. It's a useful check against corruption, but probably not skilled & determined deliberate modification. Craig Ringer From ms-nospam-0306 at arcor.de Sun Oct 12 17:37:26 2003 From: ms-nospam-0306 at arcor.de (Michael Schwendt) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 19:37:26 +0200 Subject: what to use instead of tripwire?t In-Reply-To: <200310121321.h9CDLGm26321@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <200310121321.h9CDLGm26321@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20031012193726.53fa684d.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Sun, 12 Oct 2003 09:21:16 -0400 (EDT), Alan Cox wrote: > > sorry, let me rephrase that. now that tripwire is not shipped > > *automatically* with fedora, is there an alternate file integrity > > checker covered by the GPL that would be a good replacement? > > For everything in RPM format you can use rpm --verify Except that it would not cover any files which have been modified after package installation (e.g. config files, logs, files marked notverify) whereas the IDE's database is created for the most recent file checksums/attributes. Also be sure to restore a copy of the RPM database from a secure place before verifying any packages. Btw, AIDE suffers from the same problem as verifying files with RPM, since its database is not password protected either [yet]. - -- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/iZFW0iMVcrivHFQRAqHZAKCCTyyWCFIq2Nfrw7JkZyTqn6luFACggWDG E+CBLkvB4F92mfj00jMuJak= =J9Zp -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From otaylor at redhat.com Sun Oct 12 18:53:36 2003 From: otaylor at redhat.com (Owen Taylor) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 14:53:36 -0400 Subject: what to use instead of tripwire?t In-Reply-To: <3F898DE0.9030302@postnewspapers.com.au> References: <200310121321.h9CDLGm26321@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <3F898A98.90308@lopht.net> <3F898DE0.9030302@postnewspapers.com.au> Message-ID: <1065984815.384.1080.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sun, 2003-10-12 at 13:22, Craig Ringer wrote: > >>> sorry, let me rephrase that. now that tripwire is not shipped > >>> *automatically* with fedora, is there an alternate file integrity > >>> checker covered by the GPL that would be a good replacement? > >> > >> For everything in RPM format you can use rpm --verify > > > > But that will signal every config file you have changed from it's > > default settings. And it will miss config files that aren't part of the > > RPM. > > For that matter, it can be easily bypassed by a modified RPM database or > binary. > > It's a useful check against corruption, but probably not skilled & > determined deliberate modification. Any method that doesn't involve booting from a read-only medium and checking against data on that read-only medium is basically only proof against casual/incompetent intruders. Luckily, that seems to be quite a large percentage. Any method that does involve booting from a read-only medium is unlikely to get used, since who can afford to regularly reboot their servers? Ways out: - "drm" style techniques ... the bios can only load signed boot sectors, the boot sectors can only load signed kernels, the kernel can only load signed modules, etc. - SELinux style compartmentalization ... if most root exploits don't actually exploit the part of root that allows changing binaries / kernel modules / etc, then verification can be a lot more meaningful. Without such techniques any standardized tripwire-style verification can be circumvented. The best hope may be to cook up something custom and hide it so that the intruder doesn't find it... Regards, Owen From alan at redhat.com Sun Oct 12 19:37:42 2003 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 15:37:42 -0400 (EDT) Subject: what to use instead of tripwire?t In-Reply-To: <3F898DE0.9030302@postnewspapers.com.au> from "Craig Ringer" at Hyd 13, 2003 01:22:40 Message-ID: <200310121937.h9CJbge12754@devserv.devel.redhat.com> > For that matter, it can be easily bypassed by a modified RPM database or > binary. > It's a useful check against corruption, but probably not skilled & > determined deliberate modification. Just like tripwire. Short of physically powercycling, verifying the BIOS and device ROM checksums match, inspecting the hardware for modifications and trusting the device vendors you don't get far. The signed tripwire database for example is worthless unless you boot off a trusted kernel to process it using only trusted binaries. From laurent at guerby.net Sun Oct 12 20:16:05 2003 From: laurent at guerby.net (Laurent GUERBY) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 22:16:05 +0200 Subject: Test / Hardware vendor & FOS relationship database? Message-ID: <1065989765.9634.33.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hi, for a few hardware products I intend to buy, I've been looking for wether or not the hardware vendor has been helpful to the Free & Open Source (FOS) community. May be I missed an obvious web site, but I didn't find anything that would help the average buyer quickly on the subject (likely that something already exists though...). I don't know if it is of interest to the fedora (and FOS at large) communcity, but here is a set of ideas for a hardware vendor & FOS relation database * how to identify the hardware: with both marketing names (for buyers) and internal pci/usb/... info (to be sure once you've bought and as a key to a harware database) => May be a hardware dump tool that looks at dmesg, lspci, usb, ... and creates a more or less standardized file and optionally asks the user to upload to a fedora site (anonymously or not) would help having a complete hardware reference available to all (developper and users). Adding the dump tool version to the output file should allow the site to survive generations of versions and databases from different communities to be exchanged and merged without too much trouble. * harware interface specification availability: 1. public 2. NDA to FOS developpers 3. secret but easy to reverse engineer (common hardware interface) 4. secret * driver development: 1. FOS sponsored by vendor 2. FOS with helpful vendos 3. FOS 4. mixed FOS & distributable binary (can be included in fedora, with vendor site reference) 5. mixed FOS & non distributable binary (fedora has to reference the vendor site and the user has to download) 6. all binary 7. nothing provided 8. lawsuit threats * driver status: 1. production & feature complete (on par or better than proprietary equivalents) 2. production with missing features 3. beta (should work most of the time) 4. alpha (well you're warned) 5. nothing available * included in fedora kernel: 1. yes 2. no * firmware upgrade: 1. none (all ROM) 2. possible from FOS OS & tools 3. possible only from proprietary OS & tools Laurent From jgeorgeson at lopht.net Sun Oct 12 20:15:45 2003 From: jgeorgeson at lopht.net (Justin Georgeson) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 15:15:45 -0500 Subject: bind-utils has no GPG signature Message-ID: <3F89B671.5070400@lopht.net> Just tried to run up2date (4.1.5-1, with only the rawhide yum repo on ftp.redhat.com) and got this. bind-utils-9.2.2.P3-8.i386. ########################## Done. The package bind-utils-9.2.2.P3-8 is not signed with a GPG signature. Aborting... Package bind-utils-9.2.2.P3-8 does not have a GPG signature. Aborting... From elwoo at videotron.ca Sun Oct 12 20:35:45 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 16:35:45 -0400 Subject: XFree86 available via yum In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200310121635.45173.elwoo@videotron.ca> On October 11, 2003 07:52 am, Mike A. Harris <"Mike A. Harris" > wrote: > Please test the repository out, and feel free to provide feedback > both good and/or bad about it. > > ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris/testing/unstable > > XFree86-4.3.0-39 is there right now for x86, ppc, x86_64, and ia64 Downloaded via http using mozilla, and installed. No problems. I had to install XFree86-Mesa-libGL, though ... to satisfy dependencies, then remove it using --nodeps, so that I can once again run the GL screensavers. I'm now running my display at 1280 x 1024 X 24-bit, though I now see I have the options of going as high as 1600 x 1200 . This is an original (7-year-old) Viewsonic 17 with the Jaton 3D (nVidia) AGP card (32 Mb). The system seems faster in refreshing and displaying graphics or movies., However, I would need guidance in doing any specific tests to verify actual performance. Elton ;-) -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From redhat-jc at insight.rr.com Sun Oct 12 20:41:32 2003 From: redhat-jc at insight.rr.com (Jim Cornette) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 16:41:32 -0400 Subject: bind-utils has no GPG signature In-Reply-To: <3F89B671.5070400@lopht.net> References: <3F89B671.5070400@lopht.net> Message-ID: <3F89BC7C.3000801@insight.rr.com> Justin Georgeson wrote: > Just tried to run up2date (4.1.5-1, with only the rawhide yum repo on > ftp.redhat.com) and got this. > > bind-utils-9.2.2.P3-8.i386. ########################## Done. > The package bind-utils-9.2.2.P3-8 is not signed with a GPG signature. > Aborting... > Package bind-utils-9.2.2.P3-8 does not have a GPG signature. > Aborting... > Some of the program.rpm(s) in Rawhide are not signed. You will have to use the --nosig option to get these programs to retrieve them. If you use the GUI for up2date, it will work, but you have to confirm each program installation without a signature. Also a note about program exceptions for the up2date program. I added *release* for the exceptions. I kept getting the fedora-release rpm installed, even though I thought the selection was unchecked. Jim -- Win98 error 001: Unexpected condition: booted without crashing. From jgeorgeson at lopht.net Sun Oct 12 20:41:23 2003 From: jgeorgeson at lopht.net (Justin Georgeson) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 15:41:23 -0500 Subject: bind-utils has no GPG signature In-Reply-To: <3F89BC7C.3000801@insight.rr.com> References: <3F89B671.5070400@lopht.net> <3F89BC7C.3000801@insight.rr.com> Message-ID: <3F89BC73.4040507@lopht.net> Jim Cornette wrote: > Some of the program.rpm(s) in Rawhide are not signed. You will have to > use the --nosig option to get these programs to retrieve them. why aren't they all signed? From chrisw01 at privatei.com Sun Oct 12 21:08:00 2003 From: chrisw01 at privatei.com (Christopher A. Williams) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 15:08:00 -0600 Subject: HP PSC Printers In-Reply-To: <20031012131524.GN2229@redhat.com> References: <1065963448.8835.9.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> <20031012131524.GN2229@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1065992880.9367.4.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> On Sun, 2003-10-12 at 07:15, Tim Waugh wrote: > On Sun, Oct 12, 2003 at 06:57:28AM -0600, Christopher A. Williams wrote: > My father just bought a PSC2410xi yesterday and I was helping him to > > install it. We've connected it to a usb port. While he is still running > > Red Hat 9 at the moment, I do intend to upgrade his system to Fedora > > once 1.0 hits. Frankly, the usb, hpoj and libsane-hpoj drivers on RH9 > > with this device, ..ummm ...stink big time. > > Did you look at http://cyberelk.net/tim/hpoj.html? > > There is an open bugzilla entry about automatic hpoj set-up, but it is > unfortunately an awkward thing to attempt. Hopefully the upstream > hpoj package will make this easier in future. Thansk, Tim - actually we did use your setup guide. Without it, we would not have been able to set up the hpoj drivers at all! Unfortunately, once we did set it up, the system would absolutely lock up whenever you tried to print anything. I don't think this is as much an hpoj driver problem as a USB problem now, the more I think about it. On restarting the computer, we had to turn the printer off because the usb drivers first failed to load properly and eventually the kernel oopsed. Rebooting with the printer off let us recover the system and try again. It was pretty messy. Like I said, it works just fin with the hpijs drivers on the same USB port. Open for suggestions... Cheers, Chris -- ==================================== "If you get to thinkin' you're a person of some influence, try orderin' someone else's dog around." --Cowboy Wisdom From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Sun Oct 12 21:09:26 2003 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 17:09:26 -0400 Subject: what to use instead of tripwire?t In-Reply-To: <200310121937.h9CJbge12754@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <200310121937.h9CJbge12754@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1065992966.8819.17.camel@binkley> > Short of physically powercycling, verifying the BIOS and device ROM > checksums match, inspecting the hardware for modifications and trusting > the device vendors you don't get far. > > The signed tripwire database for example is worthless unless you boot > off a trusted kernel to process it using only trusted binaries. https://lists.dulug.duke.edu/pipermail/yum/2003-August/001839.html something that came up on the yum list - if you had a remote repository of all the headers of all the packages you had put on your system it would be almost as useful as the tripwire database in that you could verify what was on your system and what it should look like. It'd be just like keeping checksums of files in a remote db but you could roughly count on what the package _should_ be based on what versions you had your systems. And verification from a red hat rescue disk or the rescue cd would certainly be possible. -sv From memphis_ownz at hotmail.com Sun Oct 12 21:28:04 2003 From: memphis_ownz at hotmail.com (Tim Whitbeck) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 17:28:04 -0400 Subject: bind-utils has no GPG signature In-Reply-To: <3F89B671.5070400@lopht.net> References: <3F89B671.5070400@lopht.net> Message-ID: <1065994084.32305.0.camel@Memphis> On Sun, 2003-10-12 at 16:15, Justin Georgeson wrote: > Just tried to run up2date (4.1.5-1, with only the rawhide yum repo on > ftp.redhat.com) and got this. > > bind-utils-9.2.2.P3-8.i386. ########################## Done. > The package bind-utils-9.2.2.P3-8 is not signed with a GPG signature. > Aborting... > Package bind-utils-9.2.2.P3-8 does not have a GPG signature. > Aborting... > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list Mine said the same thing, but it did not abort. I simply clicked ok and continued. From nosp at xades.com Sun Oct 12 21:51:21 2003 From: nosp at xades.com (nosp) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 22:51:21 +0100 Subject: solution to up2date trying to install an already installed package? Message-ID: <1065995481.7289.135.camel@earth.xades.com> Think I saw a post on this a few days ago without any conclusions. Has anyone seen up2date try to install an already-installed package and then complain about how the files conflict (obviously)? Is there a solution? Example output: --- Testing package set / solving RPM inter-dependencies... ######################################## RPM package conflict error. The message was: Test install failed because of package conflicts: package kernel-smp-2.4.22-1.2088.nptl is already installed file /boot/System.map-2.4.22-1.2088.nptlsmp from install of kernel-smp-2.4.22-1.2088.nptl conflicts with file from package kernel-smp-2.4.22-1.2088.nptl file /boot/config-2.4.22-1.2088.nptlsmp from install of kernel-smp-2.4.22-1.2088.nptl conflicts with file from package kernel-smp-2.4.22-1.2088.nptl ...and so forth --- TIA From mharris at redhat.com Sun Oct 12 22:06:46 2003 From: mharris at redhat.com (Mike A. Harris) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 18:06:46 -0400 (EDT) Subject: XFree86 available via yum In-Reply-To: <200310121635.45173.elwoo@videotron.ca> References: <200310121635.45173.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: On Sun, 12 Oct 2003, Elton Woo wrote: >> wrote: >> Please test the repository out, and feel free to provide feedback >> both good and/or bad about it. >> >> ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris/testing/unstable >> >> XFree86-4.3.0-39 is there right now for x86, ppc, x86_64, and ia64 > >Downloaded via http using mozilla, and installed. Interesting, because it isn't available for download via http. ;o) >No problems. I had to install XFree86-Mesa-libGL, though ... to >satisfy dependencies, then remove it using --nodeps, so that I >can once again run the GL screensavers. That's kindof annoying.. I split libGL out into a separate package a few OS releases ago *specifically* for Nvidia, ATI, and other 3rd party driver suppliers benefit, and *NONE OF THEM* take advantage of it. Also split out libGLU as some vendors supply their own libGLU as well. What would be nice, would be to allow multiple libGL implementations to co-exist, and let a 3rd party driver vendor override using the system supplied one at install time, and then undo that when they uninstall. Perhaps I should make libGL use the alternatives mechanism? Or, it could use some kind of symlink doctory perhaps. If anyone has suggestions that they'd like to submit for improving this mess, feel free. >I'm now running my display at 1280 x 1024 X 24-bit, though I now >see I have the options of going as high as 1600 x 1200 . This is >an original (7-year-old) Viewsonic 17 with the Jaton 3D (nVidia) >AGP card (32 Mb). > >The system seems faster in refreshing and displaying graphics or >movies., However, I would need guidance in doing any specific >tests to verify actual performance. The only performance that has been changed in this release, is the xfs initscript startup time. That doesn't have anything to do with video drivers or video performance of course. ;o) If you wish to do comparitive benchmarks with 3D, use SPEC viewperf, or one of the other benchmarks out there. I use viewperf generally. -- Mike A. Harris ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris OS Systems Engineer - XFree86 maintainer - Red Hat From JDrabb at tampabay.rr.com Sun Oct 12 22:05:38 2003 From: JDrabb at tampabay.rr.com (James Drabb) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 18:05:38 -0400 Subject: HP PSC Printers In-Reply-To: <1065963448.8835.9.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> References: <1065963448.8835.9.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> Message-ID: <1065996338.4250.15.camel@keelie.darden.com> On Sun, 2003-10-12 at 08:57, Christopher A. Williams wrote: > Anyone have any experience with the HP PSC combo printers with Fedora? > > My father just bought a PSC2410xi yesterday and I was helping him to > install it. We've connected it to a usb port. While he is still running > Red Hat 9 at the moment, I do intend to upgrade his system to Fedora > once 1.0 hits. Frankly, the usb, hpoj and libsane-hpoj drivers on RH9 > with this device, ..ummm ...stink big time. You need to grab the newest versions of hpijs and hpoj from Rawhide. > Using the hpoj and libsane-hpoj drivers that come with RH9, the printer > is completely unstable. Any attempt to print or scan anything > immediately results in the entire system locking up. We're talking all > you can do is power off and back on again. I've seen this before on > Fedora when trying to make things work with my USB connected Palm Pilot. > I must say that the latest Fedora updates seem to be better. This goes away with the newer versions. I have a PSC 2110 3-in-1 and it prints/scans/copies great. Here are the steps. I followed this guide http://cyberelk.net/tim/hpoj.html You should run the print configuration GUI and delete out your printer and try again. It is important that you download these three RPM's and upgrade them with rpm -Uvh *.rpm http://ftp.redhat.com/pub/redhat/linux/rawhide/i386/RedHat/RPMS/hpijs-1.4-11.i386.rpm http://ftp.redhat.com/pub/redhat/linux/rawhide/i386/RedHat/RPMS/hpoj-0.90-19.i386.rpm http://ftp.redhat.com/pub/redhat/linux/rawhide/i386/RedHat/RPMS/libsane-hpoj-0.90-19.i386.rpm In a terminal as root. If you have an /etc/init.d/hpoj.rpmnew file, make sure to rename it with: mv -f /etc/init.d/hpoj.rpmnew /etc/init.d/hpoj You also need to run up2date to make sure you have the most recent versions of redhat-config-printer and redhat-config-printer-gui. If you don't have an account you can use apt by following these instructions: http://web.tampabay.rr.com/jdrabb/apt/ Now it is time to setup the printer. Run this command as root: service hpoj setup Answer no when it asks to scan your parallel port and answer yes to let is scan the USB port. You should be able to just hit enter for all the other options to accept the default. Now run chkconfig hpoj and service hpoj start You should now be able to run the printer setup GUI to add the printer. Select the locally attached printer, it should have a name that starts with PTAL. I followed these steps and the printer has worked great for me. > Cheers, > > Chris Jim Drabb -- James Drabb Senior Programmer Analyst Davenport, FL USA From twaugh at redhat.com Sun Oct 12 22:09:12 2003 From: twaugh at redhat.com (Tim Waugh) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 23:09:12 +0100 Subject: HP PSC Printers In-Reply-To: <1065992880.9367.4.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> References: <1065963448.8835.9.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> <20031012131524.GN2229@redhat.com> <1065992880.9367.4.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> Message-ID: <20031012220912.GP2229@redhat.com> On Sun, Oct 12, 2003 at 03:08:00PM -0600, Christopher A. Williams wrote: > Open for suggestions... It sounds like you'll need to file a kernel bug report in bugzilla, and if that oops is reproducible that's certainly a good starting point. Tim. */ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From stephen at skmoore.com Sun Oct 12 21:41:43 2003 From: stephen at skmoore.com (Stephen Moore) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 07:41:43 +1000 Subject: Pause at kernel boot In-Reply-To: <1065966689.7313.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1065966689.7313.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <3F89CA97.1010506@skmoore.com> NFORCE2: not 100% native mode: will probe irqs later Off Topic:- I have never seen a message that says "100% Native mode", what does this message mean and what is the point? From xose at wanadoo.es Sun Oct 12 22:22:31 2003 From: xose at wanadoo.es (Xose Vazquez Perez) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 00:22:31 +0200 Subject: XFree86 available via yum References: <200310121635.45173.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <3F89D427.7090702@wanadoo.es> Mike A. Harris wrote: >>> ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris/testing/unstable >>> >>>XFree86-4.3.0-39 is there right now for x86, ppc, x86_64, and ia64 >> >>Downloaded via http using mozilla, and installed. > > > Interesting, because it isn't available for download via http. > ;o) One thing that I never understood is the difference between ftp://people.redhat.com and http://people.redhat.com -- Software is like sex, it's better when it's bug free. From memphis_ownz at hotmail.com Sun Oct 12 22:43:47 2003 From: memphis_ownz at hotmail.com (Tim Whitbeck) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 18:43:47 -0400 Subject: WineX 3.1 Message-ID: <1065998627.32514.2.camel@Memphis> I was just wondering if anybody else has tried to get WineX working in Fedora 0.94. I read somewhere that the new NVidia Drivers (which I have) caused WineX to stop working, but then I reverted the older ones and it still didn't work. Anybody getting anywhere with this? From redhat-jc at insight.rr.com Sun Oct 12 22:50:46 2003 From: redhat-jc at insight.rr.com (Jim Cornette) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 18:50:46 -0400 Subject: XFree86 available via yum In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3F89DAC6.2000503@insight.rr.com> Mike A. Harris wrote: > I have made XFree86 available via yum on people.redhat.com. This > is my first time setting up a yum repository, and I've never used > the yum client, so I have no idea how successful this is > currently. I've pointed out the repository to many people in IRC > for a day and a half and gotten no good nor bad feedback, so I > determined that wasn't the best place to look for testers or > feedback. > > Please test the repository out, and feel free to provide feedback > both good and/or bad about it. > > ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris/testing/unstable > > XFree86-4.3.0-39 is there right now for x86, ppc, x86_64, and ia64 > > I installed the new versions from the repository. I then tried going to the system settings >> display. It asked for a password, but did not go any further. Running the script from a gnome-terminal gave me this error. I logged out to X to a terminal, then after startx, tried the display command mentioned above. /usr/bin/redhat-config-xfree86 * ddcprobe returned bogus values: ID: HSD1508 Name: ?FZ P? HorizSync: None VertSync: None Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/share/redhat-config-xfree86/xconf.py", line 406, in ? dialog = xConfigDialog.XConfigDialog(hardware_state, xconfig, vc) File "/usr/share/redhat-config-xfree86/xConfigDialog.py", line 327, in __init__ self.setup_ui_resolution(self.state.get_resolution()) File "/usr/share/redhat-config-xfree86/xConfigDialog.py", line 50, in setup_ui_resolution self.res_option_menu.set_history(current) UnboundLocalError: local variable 'current' referenced before assignment ---------------- Xfree seems to be working normally, other than the display. The loading seems to be good and the clarity is human percieved "better ad crisper" Jim -- The shortest distance between any two puns is a straight line. From redhat-jc at insight.rr.com Sun Oct 12 22:56:55 2003 From: redhat-jc at insight.rr.com (Jim Cornette) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 18:56:55 -0400 Subject: XFree86 available via yum In-Reply-To: <3F89D427.7090702@wanadoo.es> References: <200310121635.45173.elwoo@videotron.ca> <3F89D427.7090702@wanadoo.es> Message-ID: <3F89DC37.3060002@insight.rr.com> Xose Vazquez Perez wrote: > Mike A. Harris wrote: > > >>>> ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris/testing/unstable >>>> >>>>XFree86-4.3.0-39 is there right now for x86, ppc, x86_64, and ia64 >>> >>>Downloaded via http using mozilla, and installed. >> >> >>Interesting, because it isn't available for download via http. >>;o) > > > One thing that I never understood is the difference between > ftp://people.redhat.com and http://people.redhat.com > When I setup a server awhile ago, there was a different location for my http and ftp files. I imagine that they are setup to point to different locations, depending on protocol used. The ftp server pointed to one directory and httpd took you to the other location. I'm just guessing. Jim -- The shortest distance between any two puns is a straight line. From mark at talios.com Mon Oct 13 00:23:33 2003 From: mark at talios.com (Mark Derricutt) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 13:23:33 +1300 Subject: Subversion Message-ID: Posted this earlier but wasn't sub'd then, what version of Subversion is being included with Fedora? 0.31 is the current release with RPM's being build by David Summers ( http://summersoft.fay.ar.us/pub/subversion/i386/subversion-latest/redhat-9.0/ ), would be great to see recent/uptodate builds of this being included. -- Discouragement is a disatisfaction with the past, a distate for the present, and a distrust of the future - Maree De Jong, CLCA. From fedora at warmcat.com Thu Oct 9 18:12:23 2003 From: fedora at warmcat.com (Andy Green) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 19:12:23 +0100 Subject: Post on Beer with Bruce Perens (Was: What are consequences (the lack of freedom on the USA)) In-Reply-To: <1065720902.9816.20.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> References: <01L1MIVTZ40Y004SPU@rcum.uni-mb.si> <1065719787.7904.21.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1065720902.9816.20.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> Message-ID: <200310091912.23576.fedora@warmcat.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday 09 October 2003 18:35, Christopher A. Williams wrote: > On Thu, 2003-10-09 at 11:16, Paul W. Frields wrote: > > Are you sure you guys are looking at the right list? > True - I posted it to fedora-list because I thought it was more Wasn't subscribed to fedora-list, that explains it. Reading it he'll be happy that OOo1.1 is in Fedora. On his problems with Redhat, he has much more experience than me, but it seems to me its all GPL in the end. Sometimes GPL projects can benefit from a strong leadership direction to avoid degeneration into bunfights. If too many people get unhappy there'll be a Mandrake Fedora or something (probably 'beret'). Redhat does have an influence, for example with backing Gnome so hard vs KDE. Something else to bear in mind is that when he underlines the importance of OO, it has been funded by Sun, it has come from Investor money -> GPL. Fedora is coming the same way through RHAT. So although he's right with his cautions the flipside is that the funding can do great GPL things that can't be snatched back. Wish I could've sat there and drunk beer and rapped with you guys. - -Andy -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/haUHjKeDCxMJCTIRAkpQAJ9onAZVkCXOkvFH9njY/gfAC3EI7QCeOUoM 4zkEqzpHj0NvlGDzy2DKbcs= =3X1M -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From ramanan54 at hotmail.com Mon Oct 13 01:34:16 2003 From: ramanan54 at hotmail.com (VENKAT RAMANAN) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 07:04:16 +0530 Subject: openoffice 1.1.0 installation error Message-ID: I am getting the following message while trying to install openoffice 1.1.0 The language of Openofficeorg 1.0.2 found in directory /home/rvr/.openoffice is different from the language of the update version. TO abort click cancel. to install Openoofficeorg 1.1.0 in a new directory click ok. Any idea how to fix this? Ramanan _________________________________________________________________ Buy now! Receive a gold coin on Dhan Teras. http://server1.msn.co.in/features/general/dhanteras/index.asp Celebrate prosperity! From redhat-jc at insight.rr.com Mon Oct 13 01:42:18 2003 From: redhat-jc at insight.rr.com (Jim Cornette) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 21:42:18 -0400 Subject: bind-utils has no GPG signature In-Reply-To: <3F89BC73.4040507@lopht.net> References: <3F89B671.5070400@lopht.net> <3F89BC7C.3000801@insight.rr.com> <3F89BC73.4040507@lopht.net> Message-ID: <3F8A02FA.6030808@insight.rr.com> Justin Georgeson wrote: > Jim Cornette wrote: > >> Some of the program.rpm(s) in Rawhide are not signed. You will have to >> use the --nosig option to get these programs to retrieve them. > > > why aren't they all signed? > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > From an earlier beta discussion. It was said that signing the packages is a manual process and is not used for frequently changing programs. (Depending on the packager, I guess) The discussion said something about work on an automated way to sign the rpms. You might search the archives of the lists for the discussion. I think that the discussion was on the Phoebe beta, but it might have been more recent. Jim -- A businessman is a hybrid of a dancer and a calculator. -- Paul Valery From mark at talios.com Mon Oct 13 02:24:29 2003 From: mark at talios.com (Mark Derricutt) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 15:24:29 +1300 Subject: Sun J2SE 1.4.2 Message-ID: Is Sun's J2SE being packaged with Fedora at all? -- Discouragement is a disatisfaction with the past, a distate for the present, and a distrust of the future - Maree De Jong, CLCA. From pandemic at syn-recon.net Mon Oct 13 03:09:13 2003 From: pandemic at syn-recon.net (Florian Hines) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 22:09:13 -0500 Subject: Sun J2SE 1.4.2 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000101c39137$646c8c10$0b01a8c0@D611017> That would be nice! #-----Original Message----- #From: fedora-test-list-admin at redhat.com #[mailto:fedora-test-list-admin at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Mark Derricutt #Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2003 9:24 PM #To: rhl-beta-list at redhat.com #Subject: Sun J2SE 1.4.2 # # #Is Sun's J2SE being packaged with Fedora at all? # #-- #Discouragement is a disatisfaction with the past, a distate #for the present, and a distrust of the future - Maree De Jong, CLCA. # # # #-- #fedora-test-list mailing list #fedora-test-list at redhat.com #http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-#test-list # From scfeng at xkan.net Mon Oct 13 03:16:22 2003 From: scfeng at xkan.net (Jos Feng) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 11:16:22 +0800 Subject: Tranditional Chinese unreadable codes Message-ID: <009b01c39138$61c19ae0$7a01010a@josfeng> When I login into Tranditional Chinese X-window and type /sbin/service start/stop/restart, the unreadable code appears. Here lists what it shows: [root at home root]# /sbin/service xinetd restart xinetd: [ ?? ] xinetd: [ ?? ] But the current code must show as follows: ( RedHat 9) [root at home root]# /sbin/service xinetd restart ?? xinetd: ?? ] ?? xinetd: ?? ] The code between [] is unreadable. Please fix it. Best regards, Jos -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kylem at xwell.org Mon Oct 13 03:17:58 2003 From: kylem at xwell.org (Kyle Maxwell) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 22:17:58 -0500 Subject: openoffice 1.1.0 installation error In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3F8A1966.6020807@xwell.org> VENKAT RAMANAN wrote: > I am getting the following message while trying to install openoffice 1.1.0 > The language of Openofficeorg 1.0.2 found in directory > /home/rvr/.openoffice is different from the language of the update > version. TO abort click cancel. to install Openoofficeorg 1.1.0 in a new > directory click ok. > > Any idea how to fix this? I tried a couple of different things, including specifying different directories, and ended up doing "rm -rf .openoffice". OOo loaded without complaint after that and all my old documents (seem to) load and work flawlessly. From mark at talios.com Mon Oct 13 03:36:30 2003 From: mark at talios.com (Mark Derricutt) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 16:36:30 +1300 Subject: Sun J2SE 1.4.2 References: <000101c39137$646c8c10$0b01a8c0@D611017> Message-ID: On Sun, 12 Oct 2003 22:09:13 -0500, Florian Hines wrote: > That would be nice! I'd read somewhere ages ago that Sun and Red Hat were doing some deal to ship their JDK with new Red Hats, but that was awhile ago, and not sure if it was just RHAS or not. Would be great if it was, then we could push for the JPackage guys to come on board to Fedora. -- Discouragement is a disatisfaction with the past, a distate for the present, and a distrust of the future - Maree De Jong, CLCA. From djoo at redhat.com Mon Oct 13 03:36:47 2003 From: djoo at redhat.com (David Joo) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 13:36:47 +1000 (EST) Subject: Tranditional Chinese unreadable codes In-Reply-To: <009b01c39138$61c19ae0$7a01010a@josfeng> Message-ID: Would you be able to tell me what your lang is? Can you enter "locale" and send it please? also which term did you use?, if you used xterm that could be the problem since xterm can't show utf8. Because, from Fedora all the CJK should be in UTF-8. Regards, David Joo On Mon, 13 Oct 2003, Jos Feng wrote: > When I login into Tranditional Chinese X-window and type /sbin/service start/stop/restart, the unreadable code appears. Here lists what it shows: > > [root at home root]# /sbin/service xinetd restart > xinetd: [ ?????? ] > xinetd: [ ?????? ] > > > But the current code must show as follows: ( RedHat 9) > > [root at home root]# /sbin/service xinetd restart > ?????? xinetd: ?????? ] > ?????? xinetd: ?????? ] > > The code between [] is unreadable. Please fix it. > > Best regards, > Jos -- ?????? (David SungMin Joo) djoo at redhat.com Red Hat Asia-Pacific Pty. Ltd. Ph : +61 7 3872 4833 Fax: +61 7 3257 4800 Legal: http://apac.redhat.com/disclaimer From stevewa at spiritone.com Mon Oct 13 05:45:05 2003 From: stevewa at spiritone.com (Steve Ward) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 22:45:05 -0700 Subject: HP PSC printers In-Reply-To: <20031013013904.21693.13805.Mailman@listman.back-rdu.redhat.com> References: <20031013013904.21693.13805.Mailman@listman.back-rdu.redhat.com> Message-ID: <3F8A3BE1.6060801@spiritone.com> Chris Williams wrote: >Thansk, Tim - actually we did use your setup guide. Without it, we would >not have been able to set up the hpoj drivers at all! >Unfortunately, once we did set it up, the system would absolutely lock >up whenever you tried to print anything. I don't think this is as much >an hpoj driver problem as a USB problem now, the more I think about it. >On restarting the computer, we had to turn the printer off because the >usb drivers first failed to load properly and eventually the kernel >oopsed. Rebooting with the printer off let us recover the system and try >again. It was pretty messy. >Like I said, it works just fin with the hpijs drivers on the same USB >port. Is this by any chance an SMP machine? There were issues with printer.o on SMP boxen. The workaround was to use libusb and actually delete the printer.o out of /lib/modules. This was some time ago, maybe it's been fixed? From jakub at redhat.com Mon Oct 13 05:45:25 2003 From: jakub at redhat.com (Jakub Jelinek) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 01:45:25 -0400 Subject: Sun J2SE 1.4.2 In-Reply-To: ; from mark@talios.com on Mon, Oct 13, 2003 at 03:24:29PM +1300 References: Message-ID: <20031013014525.E26086@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Mon, Oct 13, 2003 at 03:24:29PM +1300, Mark Derricutt wrote: > Is Sun's J2SE being packaged with Fedora at all? No. Q: Is Sun's J2SE open source software? A: No. See http://fedora.redhat.com/about/objectives.html: "2. Build the operating system exclusively from open source software." => it cannot be shipped until Sun open sources it. Jakub From jorton at redhat.com Mon Oct 13 06:06:43 2003 From: jorton at redhat.com (Joe Orton) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 07:06:43 +0100 Subject: Subversion In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20031013060643.GA3660@redhat.com> On Mon, Oct 13, 2003 at 01:23:33PM +1300, Mark Derricutt wrote: > Posted this earlier but wasn't sub'd then, what version of Subversion is > being included with Fedora? 0.31 is the current release with RPM's being > build by David Summers ( > http://summersoft.fay.ar.us/pub/subversion/i386/subversion-latest/redhat-9.0/ > ), would be great to see recent/uptodate builds of this being included. 0.31.0 is the current build. joe From backes at rhrk.uni-kl.de Mon Oct 13 06:28:13 2003 From: backes at rhrk.uni-kl.de (Joachim Backes) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 08:28:13 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Anaconda dies during update RH9->Fedora test2 Message-ID: Hi, trying to update my RH 9 to Fedora test2: After searching for installed systems und looking for the installed RPM's, anaconda crashed: ------------------------------------- snip --------------------------- Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/bin/anaconda", line 1106, in ? intf.run(id, dispatch, configFileData) File "/usr/lib/anaconda/text.py", line 451, in run rc = apply(win, (self.screen, ) + args) TypeError: __call__() takes exactly 2 arguments (4 given) Local variables in innermost frame: nextWindow: confirm_text.BeginUpgradeWindow WelcomeWindow: welcome_text.WelcomeWindow win: args: (, ) UpgradeBootloaderWindow: upgrade_bootloader_text.UpgradeBootloaderWindow dispatch: classNames: ('BeginUpgradeWindow',) lastrc: 0 file: confirm_text UpgradeExamineWindow: upgrade_text.UpgradeExamineWindow BeginUpgradeWindow: confirm_text.BeginUpgradeWindow lang: en_US.UTF-8 langname: English MouseDeviceWindow: mouse_text.MouseDeviceWindow LanguageWindow: language_text.LanguageWindow step: 0 id: s: from confirm_text import BeginUpgradeWindow; nextWindow = BeginUpgradeWindow rc: 0 KeyboardWindow: keyboard_text.KeyboardWindow MouseWindow: mouse_text.MouseWindow foo: confirmupgrade self: configFileData: {'TitleBar': 'pixmaps/anaconda_header.png', 'Title': 'Red Hat Linux Beta', 'Splashscreen': 'pi xmaps/first.png', 'WelcomeScreen': 'pixmaps/splash.png'} Package Group selection status: ISO8859-9 Support: 0 KDE Software Development: 0 Icelandic Support: 0 Office/Productivity: 0 KDE: 0 Finnish Support: 0 Danish Support: 0 KDE Desktop Environment: 0 Catalan Support: 0 Network Servers: 0 Web Server: 0 Engineering and Scientific: 0 X Software Development: 0 Legacy Software Development: 0 Spanish Support: 0 Mail Server: 0 Brazilian Support: 0 Workstation Common: 0 Hebrew Support: 0 Estonian Support: 0 French Support: 0 DNS Name Server: 0 Server Configuration Tools: 0 Dialup Networking Support: 0 Serbian Support: 0 Sound and Video: 0 Ruby: 0 SQL Database Server: 0 Portuguese Support: 0 Arabic Support: 0 Editors: 0 Supported Packages: 0 Norwegian Support: 0 Administration Tools: 0 System Tools: 0 Romanian Support: 0 Emacs: 0 Japanese Support: 0 News Server: 0 Hungarian Support: 0 Core: 0 Authoring and Publishing: 0 British Support: 0 X Window System: 0 Chinese Support: 0 Korean Support: 0 GNOME Desktop Environment: 0 GNOME Software Development: 0 Italian Support: 0 Slovak Support: 0 Base: 0 Cyrillic Support: 0 Slovenian Support: 0 Graphics: 0 FTP Server: 0 Ukrainian Support: 0 Turkish Support: 0 German Support: 0 Development Libraries: 0 Kernel Development: 0 Czech Support: 0 GNOME: 0 Windows File Server: 0 Swedish Support: 0 Polish Support: 0 XEmacs: 0 Development Tools: 0 Dutch Support: 0 Russian Support: 0 Printing Support: 0 Games and Entertainment: 0 Greek Support: 0 Text-based Internet: 0 Graphical Internet: 0 Everything: 0 Server: 0 ISO8859-2 Support: 0 ------------------------------------ snip --------------------------- If needed, I can send the whole traceback file (110 Kb zipped). Joachim Backes -- Joachim Backes University of Kaiserslautern,Computer Center, High Performance Computing Department, D-67653 Kaiserslautern, PO Box 3049, Germany -------------------------------------------------- Phone: +49-631-205-2438, FAX: +49-631-205-3056 http://hlrwm.rhrk.uni-kl.de/home/staff/backes.html From fedora at warmcat.com Mon Oct 13 06:42:39 2003 From: fedora at warmcat.com (Andy Green) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 07:42:39 +0100 Subject: Anaconda dies during update RH9->Fedora test2 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200310130742.40269.fedora@warmcat.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Monday 13 October 2003 07:28, Joachim Backes wrote: > Hi, trying to update my RH 9 to Fedora test2: After searching for > installed systems und looking for the installed RPM's, anaconda > crashed: > > ------------------------------------- snip > --------------------------- > > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "/usr/bin/anaconda", line 1106, in ? > intf.run(id, dispatch, configFileData) > File "/usr/lib/anaconda/text.py", line 451, in run > rc = apply(win, (self.screen, ) + args) > TypeError: __call__() takes exactly 2 arguments (4 given) I had this too, there is a Bugzilla article about it ny somebody else which says it is fixed in a later version. My experience was that I saw this in text mode, when I tried again after swapping out my video card in Graphical mode it worked okay. - -Andy -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/iklfjKeDCxMJCTIRAq5SAJ0bYeZXYIv2mnHyLJvfEsTWTqNouwCfYFv/ Uv/O3x1QQMLgISXQ7Mb1cJk= =nAAJ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From louisg00 at bellsouth.net Mon Oct 13 06:55:38 2003 From: louisg00 at bellsouth.net (Louis Garcia) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 02:55:38 -0400 Subject: can't umount cdrom Message-ID: <1066028138.10362.3.camel@tiger> Nautilus gives me an error saying the the cdrom is busy whenever I try to eject it. I remember somewhere that it had to do with fam. It's really annoying. --Lou From peterr at opensystems.net.au Mon Oct 13 07:00:48 2003 From: peterr at opensystems.net.au (Peter Robinson) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 15:00:48 +0800 Subject: Fedora IPSEC Support Message-ID: <002901c39157$ca014910$0701a8c0@pbr> Hi All, I noticed in the package list of the first Fedora Beta there was a ipsec-tools package (although I never actually saw it) and that there's support in the network initscripts in the latest beta/rawhide for ipsec interfaces. There also appears to be support in the Redhat Network config GUI but there doesn't appear to be the ipsec package or the kernel modules to actually support this and make it happen. Is there going to be support for ipsec in Fedora or has it been dropped for the time being? Is there plans to put it back in or is there someone with test packages that can be played with? Regards Peter --------------------------------------------------------------- We can bomb the world to pieces but we can't bomb it into peace - Michael Franti & Spearhead --------------------------------------------------------------- Peter Robinson Senior Consultant Open Systems Support peterr at opensystems.net.au 97 Broadway, Nedlands WA 6009 Ph (08) 92848777 Fax (08) 93869833 From alexl at redhat.com Mon Oct 13 07:22:43 2003 From: alexl at redhat.com (Alexander Larsson) Date: 13 Oct 2003 09:22:43 +0200 Subject: Image viewer, Nautilus and smb shares. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1066029763.20063.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, 2003-10-10 at 18:40, Mattias Dahlberg wrote: > On 10 Oct 2003, Alexander Larsson wrote: > > > Yeah. This is because authentication isn't shared between processes, and > > eog isn't calling the "set up password dialog" function (you could > > request this in gnome bugzilla). > > Is that the same reason why Nautilus' own image view can't open the file? Yeah. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Alexander Larsson Red Hat, Inc alexl at redhat.com alla at lysator.liu.se He's a short-sighted soccer-playing Green Beret with a winning smile and a way with the ladies. She's a bloodthirsty African-American wrestler with someone else's memories. They fight crime! From alexl at redhat.com Mon Oct 13 07:25:25 2003 From: alexl at redhat.com (Alexander Larsson) Date: 13 Oct 2003 09:25:25 +0200 Subject: New gdm theme in redhat-artwork In-Reply-To: <1065830978.2478.1.camel@bettie.internal.frields.org> References: <1065830978.2478.1.camel@bettie.internal.frields.org> Message-ID: <1066029925.20063.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sat, 2003-10-11 at 02:09, Paul W. Frields wrote: > Nice work, Jonathan (and of course Jiri). Understated and elegant, and > is a nice companion to the rhgb stuff. As always, Garrett is the one doing the actual artwork/design. We developer dudes just code it up. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Alexander Larsson Red Hat, Inc alexl at redhat.com alla at lysator.liu.se He's a witless guerilla hairdresser who knows the secret of the alien invasion. She's a foxy punk museum curator with only herself to blame. They fight crime! From antti at victoria.fi Mon Oct 13 08:54:42 2003 From: antti at victoria.fi (Antti) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 11:54:42 +0300 Subject: wlan-ng for fedora 0.94 Message-ID: <1066035281.1430.1.camel@localhost> Has someone compiled the rpms or do you where to get those? I don't dare the upgrade from 0.93 to 0.94 if don't have those rpms... -- Antti From rpjday at mindspring.com Mon Oct 13 09:12:14 2003 From: rpjday at mindspring.com (Robert P. J. Day) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 05:12:14 -0400 (EDT) Subject: openoffice 1.1? Message-ID: sorry if i missed it, but are there plans to get OO 1.1 into the next/final fedora release? if so, i won't waste any bandwidth downloading it now. rday From antti at victoria.fi Mon Oct 13 09:21:07 2003 From: antti at victoria.fi (Antti) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 12:21:07 +0300 Subject: apt dist-upgrade from 0.93 to 0.94 In-Reply-To: <3F88396D.9080904@lopht.net> References: <1065882498.1620.7.camel@localhost> <3F88396D.9080904@lopht.net> Message-ID: <1066036866.1430.5.camel@localhost> On Sat, 2003-10-11 at 20:10, Justin Georgeson wrote: > Antti wrote: > > How do I actually do this? Do I point apt to a repository where there is > > 'os 0.94' and just run apt-get dist-upgrade? I just want to make sure > > that I do this right. Is this a good idea to upgrade with apt? > > it's not officially supported, I don't think. But I did it with a prior > release, I thing phoebe to shrike, using the freshrpms.net repository. > You have the right idea. You take the .93 repo out of /etc/apt/sources > and put in the .94 repo, then do apt-get update and apt-get > dist-upgrade. You may have to grab the comps RPM off an ftp site and > upgrade it manually. There was also a change from redhat-release to > fedora release that apt might not pick up on. Lastly, apt is pretty > strongly against installing a new kernel via an upgrade. So you will > have to apt-get install the kernel version manually. I think that's it, > I'm sure someone will chime in if I missed anything. I couldn't find a repository for 0.94. Could someone help me? -- Antti From seyman at wanadoo.fr Mon Oct 13 10:50:31 2003 From: seyman at wanadoo.fr (Emmanuel Seyman) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 12:50:31 +0200 Subject: Sun J2SE 1.4.2 In-Reply-To: <20031013014525.E26086@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <20031013014525.E26086@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20031013105031.GA7160@orient.maison> On Mon, Oct 13, 2003 at 01:45:25AM -0400, Jakub Jelinek wrote: > > => it cannot be shipped until Sun open sources it. I remember reading a news article about an Open Source Java planned by Red Hat. Granted, this was on Slashdot[1] and thus, probably false but still... RH9 came with gcc-java vut this was removed in FC test1 (no longer needed to build openoffice.org). Will it ever come back? [1] http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/06/23/1758213 Emmanuel From jakub at redhat.com Mon Oct 13 11:01:02 2003 From: jakub at redhat.com (Jakub Jelinek) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 07:01:02 -0400 Subject: Sun J2SE 1.4.2 In-Reply-To: <20031013105031.GA7160@orient.maison>; from seyman@wanadoo.fr on Mon, Oct 13, 2003 at 12:50:31PM +0200 References: <20031013014525.E26086@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <20031013105031.GA7160@orient.maison> Message-ID: <20031013070102.H26086@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Mon, Oct 13, 2003 at 12:50:31PM +0200, Emmanuel Seyman wrote: > On Mon, Oct 13, 2003 at 01:45:25AM -0400, Jakub Jelinek wrote: > > > > => it cannot be shipped until Sun open sources it. > > I remember reading a news article about an Open Source Java planned by > Red Hat. Granted, this was on Slashdot[1] and thus, probably false > but still... > > RH9 came with gcc-java vut this was removed in FC test1 (no longer needed > to build openoffice.org). Will it ever come back? GCJ certainly has not been removed from the distro, it is still there and will be. But, it is not a 100% replacement of Sun JDK yet, see e.g. http://gcc.gnu.org/java/faq.html Jakub From nosp at xades.com Mon Oct 13 11:41:20 2003 From: nosp at xades.com (nosp) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 12:41:20 +0100 Subject: WineX 3.1 In-Reply-To: <1065998627.32514.2.camel@Memphis> References: <1065998627.32514.2.camel@Memphis> Message-ID: <1066045279.7289.138.camel@earth.xades.com> On Sun, 2003-10-12 at 23:43, Tim Whitbeck wrote: > I was just wondering if anybody else has tried to get WineX working in > Fedora 0.94. I read somewhere that the new NVidia Drivers (which I > have) caused WineX to stop working, but then I reverted the older ones > and it still didn't work. Anybody getting anywhere with this? > FWIW, I have winex 3.0 running fine on 0.94 with Nvidia drivers. From david.balazic at uni-mb.si Mon Oct 13 11:47:50 2003 From: david.balazic at uni-mb.si (DAVID BALAZIC) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 13:47:50 +0200 Subject: bug #60658. (was Re: CD-RW drag and drop (UDF) Message-ID: <01L1S68CQ68I006BHA@rcum.uni-mb.si> From: Elton Woo >On October 10, 2003 03:50 am, DAVID BALAZIC > wrote: >> See http://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=60658 >> summary : no way, unless you write it yourself. > >Can't access the report: > You are not authorized to access bug #60658. To see this bug, you must first >log in to an account with the appropriate permissions. > >IMHO, and from the bug *number* it might be possible this was one of >the reports lost in the recent crash of bugzilla? The bug was accessible only to the beta team member. I changed it now to be accessible by anyone. -- David Balazic E-mail : david.balazic at uni-mb.si | living in sLOVEnija home page: http://surf.to/stein -- From goeran at uddeborg.se Mon Oct 13 11:54:57 2003 From: goeran at uddeborg.se (=?iso-8859-1?q?G=F6ran_Uddeborg?=) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 13:54:57 +0200 Subject: what to use instead of tripwire?t In-Reply-To: <1065984815.384.1080.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <200310121321.h9CDLGm26321@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <3F898A98.90308@lopht.net> <3F898DE0.9030302@postnewspapers.com.au> <1065984815.384.1080.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <16266.37521.848464.407223@uebn.uddeborg.se> Owen Taylor writes: > Any method that doesn't involve booting from a read-only medium > and checking against data on that read-only medium is basically > only proof against casual/incompetent intruders. Why would the medium have to be read-only? Wouldn't it be enough that one boots from this trusted medium and only uses binaries from it? (I assume of course the medium is not present when not booted from.) From chrisw01 at privatei.com Mon Oct 13 12:08:46 2003 From: chrisw01 at privatei.com (Christopher A. Williams) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 06:08:46 -0600 Subject: HP PSC printers In-Reply-To: <3F8A3BE1.6060801@spiritone.com> References: <20031013013904.21693.13805.Mailman@listman.back-rdu.redhat.com> <3F8A3BE1.6060801@spiritone.com> Message-ID: <1066046926.9821.1.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> On Sun, 2003-10-12 at 23:45, Steve Ward wrote: > Chris Williams wrote: >On restarting the computer, we had to turn the printer off because the > >usb drivers first failed to load properly and eventually the kernel > >oopsed. Rebooting with the printer off let us recover the system and try > >again. It was pretty messy. > > >Like I said, it works just fin with the hpijs drivers on the same USB > >port. > > > Is this by any chance an SMP machine? > > There were issues with printer.o on SMP boxen. The workaround was to use libusb and actually delete the printer.o out of /lib/modules. This was some time ago, maybe it's been fixed? Come to think of it, it is running the SMP kernel. It's a new P4 with hyperthreading support. I got the latest rawhide drivers yesterday afternoon to see if that might help as well. Will hopefully get back to my dad's place tonight or tomorrow to try them out. Cheers, Chris -- ==================================== "If you get to thinkin' you're a person of some influence, try orderin' someone else's dog around." --Cowboy Wisdom From david.balazic at uni-mb.si Mon Oct 13 12:36:49 2003 From: david.balazic at uni-mb.si (DAVID BALAZIC) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 14:36:49 +0200 Subject: Pause at kernel boot Message-ID: <01L1S7THRI3M006BHA@rcum.uni-mb.si> From: Richard Shaw >I just installed severn 2 on my ASUS A7N8X-Deluxe and I have a strange >pause when booting. I'm using a 120GB SATA Maxtor drive with the Silicon >Image SiI3112 onboard SATA. I've included the part of dmesg that applies >along with where the pause is. Is the pause 30 seconds long ? Then the kernel is just trying to detect hdg, and when there is no response, it concludes that there is no drive attached. The pause could be shortened. I have the same SiI 3112 SATA controller and noticed the same thing. As I have no SATA drives, I have 2x30 seconds of pause, 30 seconds for each channel. The driver author ( Andre Hedrcik, IIRC ) said that he might shorten it down ,"when he has time" :-) >Thanks, > >Richard > > > >Uniform Multi-Platform E-IDE driver Revision: 7.00beta4-2.4 >ide: Assuming 33MHz system bus speed for PIO modes; override with >idebus=xx >NFORCE2: IDE controller at PCI slot 00:09.0 >NFORCE2: chipset revision 162 >NFORCE2: not 100% native mode: will probe irqs later >AMD_IDE: nVidia Corporation nForce2 IDE (rev a2) UDMA100 controller on >pci00:09.0 > ide0: BM-DMA at 0xf000-0xf007, BIOS settings: hda:DMA, hdb:DMA > ide1: BM-DMA at 0xf008-0xf00f, BIOS settings: hdc:DMA, hdd:DMA >SiI3112 Serial ATA: IDE controller at PCI slot 01:0b.0 >SiI3112 Serial ATA: chipset revision 2 >SiI3112 Serial ATA: not 100% native mode: will probe irqs later > ide2: MMIO-DMA , BIOS settings: hde:pio, hdf:pio > ide3: MMIO-DMA , BIOS settings: hdg:pio, hdh:pio >hdb: C/H/S=20510/81/100 from BIOS ignored >hda: PLEXTOR CD-R PX-W2410A, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive >hdb: IOMEGA ZIP 250 ATAPI, ATAPI FLOPPY drive >hdb: set_drive_speed_status: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error >} >hdb: set_drive_speed_status: error=0x04 >ide0: Drive 1 didn't accept speed setting. Oh, well. >hdc: Pioneer DVD-ROM ATAPIModel DVD-115 0133, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive >hde: Maxtor 6Y120M0, ATA DISK drive >blk: queue c0407118, I/O limit 4095Mb (mask 0xffffffff) >*** Pauses Here *** >hdg: no response (status = 0xfe) >ide0 at 0x1f0-0x1f7,0x3f6 on irq 14 >ide1 at 0x170-0x177,0x376 on irq 15 >ide2 at 0xe0815080-0xe0815087,0xe081508a on irq 11 >hde: attached ide-disk driver. >hde: host protected area => 1 >hde: 240121728 sectors (122942 MB) w/7936KiB Cache, CHS=238216/16/63 >hdb: attached ide-floppy driver. >hdb: 98304kB, 196608 blocks, 512 sector size >hdb: 98304kB, 96/64/32 CHS, 4096 kBps, 512 sector size, 2941 rpm >Partition check: > hdb: hdb4 > hde: [PTBL] [14946/255/63] hde1 hde2 hde3 hde4 < hde5 hde6 > >ide: late registration of driver. > > > >-- >fedora-test-list mailing list >fedora-test-list at redhat.com >http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list -- David Balazic E-mail : david.balazic at uni-mb.si | living in sLOVEnija home page: http://surf.to/stein -- From paul.morgan at jumanjihouse.com Mon Oct 13 12:41:40 2003 From: paul.morgan at jumanjihouse.com (Paul Morgan) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 07:41:40 -0500 Subject: what to use instead of tripwire?t In-Reply-To: <16266.37521.848464.407223@uebn.uddeborg.se> References: <200310121321.h9CDLGm26321@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <3F898A98.90308@lopht.net> <3F898DE0.9030302@postnewspapers.com.au> <1065984815.384.1080.camel@localhost.localdomain> <16266.37521.848464.407223@uebn.uddeborg.se> Message-ID: <1066048899.5157.21.camel@vaio.jumanjihouse.com> On Mon, 2003-10-13 at 06:54, G??ran Uddeborg wrote: > Why would the medium have to be read-only? Wouldn't it be enough that > one boots from this trusted medium and only uses binaries from it? (I > assume of course the medium is not present when not booted from.) A sophisticated cracker who really wanted your system could conceivably root your box and install a rogue version of rpm to falsely report the rpm -V status of trojaned files as being ok. The same could be said of any verification software, including Tripwire. That is why---for paranoid systems---it is recommended to baseline the box using Tripwire or other software immediately after configuration (but before ever plugging in the network cable) and then copy the tripwire databases to cd-r media. Future changes to the system would follow a cycle of 1. unplug from the network 2. boot and test integrity using read-only media 3. make config changes 4. update integrity db and copy to cd-r 5. re-plug to network For static servers (rarely-changing config, no local data), one could of course create a live cd of the server. That's another topic, though. Has anybody tried this with Fedora yet? From davej at redhat.com Mon Oct 13 12:44:42 2003 From: davej at redhat.com (Dave Jones) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 13:44:42 +0100 Subject: Fedora IPSEC Support In-Reply-To: <002901c39157$ca014910$0701a8c0@pbr> References: <002901c39157$ca014910$0701a8c0@pbr> Message-ID: <20031013124442.GA30115@redhat.com> On Mon, Oct 13, 2003 at 03:00:48PM +0800, Peter Robinson wrote: > Hi All, > > I noticed in the package list of the first Fedora Beta there was a > ipsec-tools package (although I never actually saw it) and that there's > support in the network initscripts in the latest beta/rawhide for ipsec > interfaces. There also appears to be support in the Redhat Network config > GUI but there doesn't appear to be the ipsec package or the kernel modules > to actually support this and make it happen. The 2.4 kernel (default for FC1) won't have IPSEC. Arjan's 2.6 RPMs should have it. > Is there going to be support for ipsec in Fedora or has it been dropped for > the time being? Its dropped for the time being. > Is there plans to put it back in or is there someone with test packages that > can be played with? If you can find problems with the 2.6 RPMs, I'm sure they'd be interesting to the IPSEC developers. Dave -- Dave Jones http://www.codemonkey.org.uk From rpjday at mindspring.com Mon Oct 13 13:02:03 2003 From: rpjday at mindspring.com (Robert P. J. Day) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 09:02:03 -0400 (EDT) Subject: what to use instead of tripwire?t In-Reply-To: <1066048899.5157.21.camel@vaio.jumanjihouse.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 13 Oct 2003, Paul Morgan wrote: > On Mon, 2003-10-13 at 06:54, G??ran Uddeborg wrote: > > Why would the medium have to be read-only? Wouldn't it be enough that > > one boots from this trusted medium and only uses binaries from it? (I > > assume of course the medium is not present when not booted from.) > > A sophisticated cracker who really wanted your system could conceivably > root your box and install a rogue version of rpm to falsely report the > rpm -V status of trojaned files as being ok. The same could be said of > any verification software, including Tripwire. > > That is why---for paranoid systems---it is recommended to baseline the > box using Tripwire or other software immediately after configuration > (but before ever plugging in the network cable) and then copy the > tripwire databases to cd-r media. Future changes to the system would > follow a cycle of > 1. unplug from the network > 2. boot and test integrity using read-only media > 3. make config changes > 4. update integrity db and copy to cd-r > 5. re-plug to network > > For static servers (rarely-changing config, no local data), one could of > course create a live cd of the server. That's another topic, though. Has > anybody tried this with Fedora yet? as a trivial start, you can start with mounting your entire /usr filesystem read-only, not so much as a security measure, but just to see if it's feasible for you. remember, according to the FHS, /usr is defined as static, shareable data, so that, unless you're installing new software, nothing under /usr should be changing. one of the changes i made to my system was to move all of the kernel and RPM stuff out of /usr/src and into my home directory, so that i can build/rebuild both kernels and RPMs as a regular user. granted, i still need to become root to *install* them, but trying this will at least show you whether it's reasonable to have /usr write protected. if so, given that almost all of your software is under /usr, think about a read-only /usr media. just a thought. rday From Christer.Hemgren at axfood.se Mon Oct 13 13:08:41 2003 From: Christer.Hemgren at axfood.se (Hemgren, Christer) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 15:08:41 +0200 Subject: Wlan problem and enterprise neads Message-ID: Hello I 'm using the latest "Severn Beta 2 (i386)" updated 12 Oct on a Compaq laptop and are very pleased with it, but i have problem with the PCMCIA wlan cards. It's got broken after a up2date. I can use the Cisco aironet 350 as i hade one the install moment but when i shift to "PRISMA2" chipset card Netgear MA401, it don't work. Kudzu finds it. The "Netgear MA401" worke to associate with the CISCO AP1200 before it got broken using iwconfig eth2 essid "secret" But the Cisco aironet 350 card don't associate if it is not a broadcasted ssid (by a sheep 3Com AP at home)!!!! I have try Arjan's "2.6 test7.1.52.rpm" kernel and in that no wlan card or USB mouse works. Should i wait for the new beta to see if there is updates? I'm still missing some wlan and serial console stuff like Xsupplicant from http://www.open1x.org/ for secure wlan login using 802.1x (most have in enterprise network) and a wlan profile manager like Kwifimanager from http://kwifimanager.sourceforge.net/ so i can have two ore more profiles and change fast from one to another. Komport from http://sharkey.servebeer.com/~michael/komport/ for serial console access to device like Cisco router/switch. keep up the good stuff guys. tanx Christer Hemgren Network Admin/Engineer From jgeorgeson at lopht.net Mon Oct 13 13:27:48 2003 From: jgeorgeson at lopht.net (Justin Georgeson) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 08:27:48 -0500 Subject: can't umount cdrom In-Reply-To: <1066028138.10362.3.camel@tiger> References: <1066028138.10362.3.camel@tiger> Message-ID: <3F8AA854.2080002@lopht.net> Louis Garcia wrote: > Nautilus gives me an error saying the the cdrom is busy whenever I try > to eject it. I remember somewhere that it had to do with fam. It's > really annoying. yes it is, i've had it prevent me from umounting smb shares too. fam is run out of xinetd, so login as root, stop xinetd, umount, start xinetd. From jtlegbandt at earthlink.net Mon Oct 13 13:31:53 2003 From: jtlegbandt at earthlink.net (Joshua Legbandt) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 06:31:53 -0700 Subject: Wlan problem and enterprise neads In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1066051913.3902.11.camel@suburbia> On Mon, 2003-10-13 at 06:08, Hemgren, Christer wrote: > Hello > > I 'm using the latest "Severn Beta 2 (i386)" updated 12 Oct on a Compaq > laptop and are > very pleased with it, but i have problem with the PCMCIA wlan cards. > > It's got broken after a up2date. I can use the Cisco aironet 350 as i hade > one the install moment but when i shift to "PRISMA2" chipset card Netgear > MA401, it don't work. Kudzu finds it. > > The "Netgear MA401" worke to associate with the CISCO AP1200 before it got > broken using > > iwconfig eth2 essid "secret" > > But the Cisco aironet 350 card don't associate if it is not a broadcasted > ssid (by a sheep 3Com AP at home)!!!! > > I have try Arjan's "2.6 test7.1.52.rpm" kernel and in that no wlan card or > USB mouse works. Using Arjan's 2.6-test7.1.51 and 2.6-test7.1.52 kernels, I have been unable to get my wireless to work as well, using the kernels out of rawhide/fedora-updates wlan works just fine. I only recently started using the 2.6 kernels since test7 when they started working with my touchpad and my usb mouse, so I don't know if wlan worked in previous releases. The problem I'm seeing, is that even though it looks like my pcmcia card is recognized, the ethernet the alias between the card and eth1 (on my system) is not created. I'm willing to provide whatever logs or other debugging info might be helpful towards resolving this (however, I haven't had the time to dig into it myself yet)... -josh -- Joshua Legbandt From jgeorgeson at lopht.net Mon Oct 13 13:32:14 2003 From: jgeorgeson at lopht.net (Justin Georgeson) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 08:32:14 -0500 Subject: wlan-ng for fedora 0.94 In-Reply-To: <1066035281.1430.1.camel@localhost> References: <1066035281.1430.1.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <3F8AA95E.2090502@lopht.net> Antti wrote: > Has someone compiled the rpms or do you where to get those? I don't dare > the upgrade from 0.93 to 0.94 if don't have those rpms... How about getting wlan-ng RPMs added to the distribution? From jgeorgeson at lopht.net Mon Oct 13 13:35:13 2003 From: jgeorgeson at lopht.net (Justin Georgeson) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 08:35:13 -0500 Subject: openoffice 1.1? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3F8AAA11.8090701@lopht.net> Robert P. J. Day wrote: > sorry if i missed it, but are there plans to get OO 1.1 > into the next/final fedora release? if so, i won't waste > any bandwidth downloading it now. it's already in. they were renamed from openoffice-* to openoffice.org-*, and there were some dependency issues at first. So you had to rpm -e openoffice openoffice-libs openoffice-i18n, up2date -d openoffice.org openoffice.org-libs openoffice.orgs-libs, and rpm -ivh them. From jgeorgeson at lopht.net Mon Oct 13 13:39:49 2003 From: jgeorgeson at lopht.net (Justin Georgeson) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 08:39:49 -0500 Subject: apt dist-upgrade from 0.93 to 0.94 In-Reply-To: <1066036866.1430.5.camel@localhost> References: <1065882498.1620.7.camel@localhost> <3F88396D.9080904@lopht.net> <1066036866.1430.5.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <3F8AAB25.6060709@lopht.net> Antti wrote: > > I couldn't find a repository for 0.94. Could someone help me? > rpm download.fedora.us/fedora redhat/0.94/i386 os updates It doesn't actuall have updates though. Matthias at freshrpms.net has a rawhide repo you can use though. I had some trouble getting apt from fedora.us to pick up the packages at freshrpms. Search the archive for my old thread on it. From rdieter at math.unl.edu Mon Oct 13 13:50:05 2003 From: rdieter at math.unl.edu (Rex Dieter) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 08:50:05 -0500 Subject: Sun J2SE 1.4.2 In-Reply-To: <20031013132816.22618.88730.Mailman@listman.back-rdu.redhat.com> References: <20031013132816.22618.88730.Mailman@listman.back-rdu.redhat.com> Message-ID: <3F8AAD8D.6070702@math.unl.edu> Mark Derricutt wrote: >Is Sun's J2SE being packaged with Fedora at all? > > No, but you can package it as an rpm using the nosrc.rpm from jpackage.org. You'll have to download the nosrc.rpm's, get the binaries from sun, and (re)build the binary rpms yourself. You can alternatively use my redhat'ized versions of the jpackage stuff: http://apt.kde-redhat.org/apt/jpackage/ -- Rex From glass-art at comcast.net Mon Oct 13 13:51:46 2003 From: glass-art at comcast.net (Clifford Snow) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 06:51:46 -0700 Subject: openoffice 1.1? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1066053106.6064.3.camel@blue.comcast.net> On Mon, 2003-10-13 at 02:12, Robert P. J. Day wrote: > sorry if i missed it, but are there plans to get OO 1.1 > into the next/final fedora release? if so, i won't waste > any bandwidth downloading it now. Openoffice 1.1 is included in Beta 2, Severn 0.94, and works great. See previous threads. Enjoy, Clifford glass-art at comcast.net -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Mike Smith --- Justin Georgeson wrote: > > > Louis Garcia wrote: > > Nautilus gives me an error saying the the cdrom is > busy whenever I try > > to eject it. I remember somewhere that it had to > do with fam. It's > > really annoying. > > yes it is, i've had it prevent me from umounting smb > shares too. fam is > run out of xinetd, so login as root, stop xinetd, > umount, start xinetd. > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From gstool at earthlink.net Mon Oct 13 14:27:31 2003 From: gstool at earthlink.net (Gerry Tool) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 09:27:31 -0500 Subject: New Release Today? In-Reply-To: <3F8AB536.2050707@speakeasy.net> References: <3F8AB536.2050707@speakeasy.net> Message-ID: <1066055251.6385.19.camel@gstpc.earthlink.net> On Mon, 2003-10-13 at 09:22, Robert L Cochran wrote: > Is a new Fedora Release coming out today? And does this mean a new CD > set, or just updates througn up2date? I see that some of the mirrors are not available, hopefully they are syncing to Test3. Can we get a statement from Red Hat about the time the new isos will be available? Gerry Tool From rpjday at mindspring.com Mon Oct 13 14:45:35 2003 From: rpjday at mindspring.com (Robert P. J. Day) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 10:45:35 -0400 (EDT) Subject: openoffice 1.1? In-Reply-To: <3F8AAA11.8090701@lopht.net> Message-ID: On Mon, 13 Oct 2003, Justin Georgeson wrote: > Robert P. J. Day wrote: > > sorry if i missed it, but are there plans to get OO 1.1 > > into the next/final fedora release? if so, i won't waste > > any bandwidth downloading it now. > > it's already in. they were renamed from openoffice-* to > openoffice.org-*, and there were some dependency issues at first. So you > had to rpm -e openoffice openoffice-libs openoffice-i18n, up2date -d > openoffice.org openoffice.org-libs openoffice.orgs-libs, and rpm -ivh them. ok, so technically, it *wasn't* in there, but it was available as an update. that's why i didn't see it on my fedora 2 box. rday From esm at logic.net Mon Oct 13 14:50:37 2003 From: esm at logic.net (esm at logic.net) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 09:50:37 -0500 Subject: Sun J2SE 1.4.2 In-Reply-To: <20031013105031.GA7160@orient.maison> References: <20031013014525.E26086@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <20031013105031.GA7160@orient.maison> Message-ID: <20031013145037.GA23466@talus.logic.net> On Mon, Oct 13, 2003 at 12:50:31PM +0200, Emmanuel Seyman wrote: > RH9 came with gcc-java vut this was removed in FC test1 (no longer needed > to build openoffice.org). Will it ever come back? I believe you're thinking of jdkgcj, not gcc-java; jdkgcj was a set of "java", "javac", etc. wrappers around GCJ (gcc-java). Between gcc-java and libgcj, you should have everything needed to do whatever you'd do with a "normal" Java SDK ("gcj -C <.java file>" is roughly equivilent to "javac", "gij " does what "java" does, etc). Plus you can compile to a native executable on top of that. :-) -- Edward S. Marshall http://esm.logic.net/ Felix qui potuit rerum cognoscere causas. From goeran at uddeborg.se Mon Oct 13 15:09:51 2003 From: goeran at uddeborg.se (=?iso-8859-1?q?G=F6ran_Uddeborg?=) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 17:09:51 +0200 Subject: what to use instead of tripwire? In-Reply-To: <1066048899.5157.21.camel@vaio.jumanjihouse.com> References: <200310121321.h9CDLGm26321@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <3F898A98.90308@lopht.net> <3F898DE0.9030302@postnewspapers.com.au> <1065984815.384.1080.camel@localhost.localdomain> <16266.37521.848464.407223@uebn.uddeborg.se> <1066048899.5157.21.camel@vaio.jumanjihouse.com> Message-ID: <16266.49215.248831.812445@uebn.uddeborg.se> Paul Morgan writes: > A sophisticated cracker who really wanted your system could conceivably > root your box and install a rogue version of rpm to falsely report the > rpm -V status of trojaned files as being ok. Yes, I understood that. So I understand I would have to make a removable medium with a kernel and the necessary programs and databases which I could use to verify the integrity of my system. > 1. unplug from the network > 2. boot and test integrity using read-only media > 3. make config changes > 4. update integrity db and copy to cd-r > 5. re-plug to network That's what I thought. What I don't understand is what could break if it was a CD-RW. I trust the kernel, rpm/tripwire program, rpm/tripwire database, etc. which I have on the CD. And I obviously must not run anything from the rest of the system during this operation. So how could this be fooled if the media is read-write? From jgeorgeson at lopht.net Mon Oct 13 15:14:14 2003 From: jgeorgeson at lopht.net (Justin Georgeson) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 10:14:14 -0500 Subject: what to use instead of tripwire? References: <200310121321.h9CDLGm26321@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <3F898A98.90308@lopht.net> <3F898DE0.9030302@postnewspapers.com.au> <1065984815.384.1080.camel@localhost.localdomain> <16266.37521.848464.407223@uebn.uddeborg.se> <1066048899.5157.21.camel@vaio.jumanjihouse.com> <16266.49215.248831.812445@uebn.uddeborg.se> Message-ID: <3F8AC146.5050307@lopht.net> G?ran Uddeborg wrote: > > That's what I thought. What I don't understand is what could break if > it was a CD-RW. I trust the kernel, rpm/tripwire program, > rpm/tripwire database, etc. which I have on the CD. And I obviously > must not run anything from the rest of the system during this > operation. So how could this be fooled if the media is read-write? anyone with physical access to said media could rewrite it. If you're comfortable using a floppy disk then the only difference with using a CD-RW is you have more space. From elwoo at videotron.ca Mon Oct 13 15:23:24 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 11:23:24 -0400 Subject: Severn3 / Fedora Core2 ? Message-ID: <200310131123.24693.elwoo@videotron.ca> The mirrors seem to be syncing, but I've found one that already shows this list: MD5SUM 1 KB 13/10/03 04:44:00 AM severn-SRPMS-disc1.iso 638560 KB 10/10/03 04:35:00 PM severn-SRPMS-disc2.iso 638496 KB 10/10/03 04:38:00 PM severn-SRPMS-disc3.iso 638496 KB 10/10/03 04:40:00 PM severn-i386-disc1.iso 651232 KB 10/10/03 04:23:00 PM severn-i386-disc2.iso 653056 KB 10/10/03 04:28:00 PM severn-i386-disc3.iso 647968 KB 10/10/03 04:32:00 PM Site: ftp.dulug.duke.edu Elton ;-) -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From otaylor at redhat.com Mon Oct 13 15:25:40 2003 From: otaylor at redhat.com (Owen Taylor) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 11:25:40 -0400 Subject: what to use instead of tripwire?t In-Reply-To: <16266.37521.848464.407223@uebn.uddeborg.se> References: <200310121321.h9CDLGm26321@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <3F898A98.90308@lopht.net> <3F898DE0.9030302@postnewspapers.com.au> <1065984815.384.1080.camel@localhost.localdomain> <16266.37521.848464.407223@uebn.uddeborg.se> Message-ID: <1066058740.19808.64.camel@poincare.devel.redhat.com> On Mon, 2003-10-13 at 07:54, G?ran Uddeborg wrote: > Owen Taylor writes: > > Any method that doesn't involve booting from a read-only medium > > and checking against data on that read-only medium is basically > > only proof against casual/incompetent intruders. > > Why would the medium have to be read-only? Wouldn't it be enough that > one boots from this trusted medium and only uses binaries from it? (I > assume of course the medium is not present when not booted from.) Yeah, as long as the media is never in the drive when the system is running normally, it doesn't really need to be read-only. (Read-only may be harder to ensure these days then it was in the days of floppies and CD-ROM drives.) Regards, Owen From elwoo at videotron.ca Mon Oct 13 15:28:36 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 11:28:36 -0400 Subject: can't umount cdrom In-Reply-To: <3F8AA854.2080002@lopht.net> References: <1066028138.10362.3.camel@tiger> <3F8AA854.2080002@lopht.net> Message-ID: <200310131128.36380.elwoo@videotron.ca> On October 13, 2003 09:27 am, Justin Georgeson > wrote: > Louis Garcia wrote: > > Nautilus gives me an error saying the the cdrom is busy whenever I try > > to eject it. I remember somewhere that it had to do with fam. It's > > really annoying. > > yes it is, i've had it prevent me from umounting smb shares too. fam is > run out of xinetd, so login as root, stop xinetd, umount, start xinetd. So ... is / was *that* the reason? ... I keep thinking it was magicdev, but even when I kill "that" process, I still can't unmount the cdrom ... in spite of the assurance that the mount point isn't being accessed. Elton. -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From otaylor at redhat.com Mon Oct 13 15:29:06 2003 From: otaylor at redhat.com (Owen Taylor) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 11:29:06 -0400 Subject: can't umount cdrom In-Reply-To: <3F8AA854.2080002@lopht.net> References: <1066028138.10362.3.camel@tiger> <3F8AA854.2080002@lopht.net> Message-ID: <1066058946.19808.68.camel@poincare.devel.redhat.com> On Mon, 2003-10-13 at 09:27, Justin Georgeson wrote: > Louis Garcia wrote: > > Nautilus gives me an error saying the the cdrom is busy whenever I try > > to eject it. I remember somewhere that it had to do with fam. It's > > really annoying. > > yes it is, i've had it prevent me from umounting smb shares too. fam is > run out of xinetd, so login as root, stop xinetd, umount, start xinetd. For CD-ROMS, this bug was fixed prior to Red Hat 8, if it's back, please make sure it's in bugzilla. SMB shares are going to be harder to deal with, as the way CD-ROMS are handled (as I recall) is to say "this device is mounted read-only, we don't need change notification on it". But Nautilus/fam should never be watching anything for which there isn't a window open on the desktop. If that happens, that's also is worth putting in bugzilla. Regards, Owen From goeran at uddeborg.se Mon Oct 13 15:38:15 2003 From: goeran at uddeborg.se (=?iso-8859-1?q?G=F6ran_Uddeborg?=) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 17:38:15 +0200 Subject: what to use instead of tripwire? In-Reply-To: <3F8AC146.5050307@lopht.net> References: <200310121321.h9CDLGm26321@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <3F898A98.90308@lopht.net> <3F898DE0.9030302@postnewspapers.com.au> <1065984815.384.1080.camel@localhost.localdomain> <16266.37521.848464.407223@uebn.uddeborg.se> <1066048899.5157.21.camel@vaio.jumanjihouse.com> <16266.49215.248831.812445@uebn.uddeborg.se> <3F8AC146.5050307@lopht.net> Message-ID: <16266.50919.781214.392961@uebn.uddeborg.se> Justin Georgeson writes: > anyone with physical access to said media could rewrite it. Ok, that's true. I was assuming the media was physically safe. From andre at bwh.harvard.edu Mon Oct 13 15:46:14 2003 From: andre at bwh.harvard.edu (Andre Robatino) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 11:46:14 -0400 (EDT) Subject: test3 mediacheck still brain dead Message-ID: <200310131546.h9DFkEn28740@garfield.bwh.harvard.edu> I just burned the test3 ISOs. (In case you're wondering how I got them so fast, if you peruse Red Hat's list of mirrors, you can usually find one or two that are prematurely open.) I couldn't find a GPG-signed MD5SUM file, but all the unsigned ones I found agreed. After downloading the ISOs, I checked the md5 sums, burned the CDs, and then checked the md5 sum on the CD directly using the dd trick. Everything checked. Then when I brought the disks home and did the mediacheck, the exact same thing happened as with test2 - disks 1, 2, and 3 failed, passed, and failed, resp. This didn't happen with test1, so something broke in test2 and hasn't been fixed. I tried to make a tarball of my home directory to do a clean install, but got an error at the end tar: Error exit delayed from previous errors which I never got before despite using the same procedure. Is this due to files changing while the tarfile is being made, and is there anything different now than at the end of test1 that might be causing this? I didn't see any reported bugs for tar itself. So I finally did an upgrade rather than a clean install. There were only a handful of packages that needed upgrading, and it finished in a few minutes. From nosp at xades.com Mon Oct 13 15:47:50 2003 From: nosp at xades.com (nosp) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 16:47:50 +0100 Subject: can't umount cdrom In-Reply-To: <1066058946.19808.68.camel@poincare.devel.redhat.com> References: <1066028138.10362.3.camel@tiger> <3F8AA854.2080002@lopht.net> <1066058946.19808.68.camel@poincare.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1066060069.7289.141.camel@earth.xades.com> On Mon, 2003-10-13 at 16:29, Owen Taylor wrote: > But Nautilus/fam should never be watching anything for which there isn't > a window open on the desktop. If that happens, that's also is worth > putting in bugzilla. I've seen that plenty of times with fam Severn/FCb2 and nfs shares: no open windows (there were in the past) but fam still shows in lsof output has having the directory open. Next time it happens I'll put it in bugzilla. From pekkas at netcore.fi Mon Oct 13 15:48:18 2003 From: pekkas at netcore.fi (Pekka Savola) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 18:48:18 +0300 (EEST) Subject: New Release Today? In-Reply-To: <3F8AB536.2050707@speakeasy.net> Message-ID: On Mon, 13 Oct 2003, Robert L Cochran wrote: > Is a new Fedora Release coming out today? And does this mean a new CD > set, or just updates througn up2date? The sync-up of ISOs was delayed a couple of days, so the official release is also delayed a bit. If I had to guess, I'd estimate the release will be sometime tomorrow. -- Pekka Savola "You each name yourselves king, yet the Netcore Oy kingdom bleeds." Systems. Networks. Security. -- George R.R. Martin: A Clash of Kings From nosp at xades.com Mon Oct 13 15:56:39 2003 From: nosp at xades.com (nosp) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 16:56:39 +0100 Subject: Severn3 / Fedora Core2 ? In-Reply-To: <200310131123.24693.elwoo@videotron.ca> References: <200310131123.24693.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <1066060599.7289.143.camel@earth.xades.com> On Mon, 2003-10-13 at 16:23, Elton Woo wrote: > Site: ftp.dulug.duke.edu Bittorrent seems to be already up from that server too: http://torrent.dulug.duke.edu/severn3-binary-iso.torrent ...so start btdownloading and help d/l them :) From warlock_ba at hotmail.com Mon Oct 13 16:08:22 2003 From: warlock_ba at hotmail.com (Botoaca Andrei) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 19:08:22 +0300 Subject: Update or new ISOs ? Message-ID: If i keep updating from rawhide will it be any different as if I would download the new ISOs and install them ? (I don't really want to waste other 3 CDs for this ... ) because I saw that after last weeks updates I already have 9.0.95 as PC name (so I guess all updates I do lead exactly to the new ISOs), am I right !? Thanks Me _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From sopwith at redhat.com Mon Oct 13 16:11:42 2003 From: sopwith at redhat.com (Elliot Lee) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 12:11:42 -0400 (EDT) Subject: test3 mediacheck still brain dead In-Reply-To: <200310131546.h9DFkEn28740@garfield.bwh.harvard.edu> Message-ID: On Mon, 13 Oct 2003, Andre Robatino wrote: > I just burned the test3 ISOs. (In case you're wondering how I got them > so fast, if you peruse Red Hat's list of mirrors, you can usually find one > or two that are prematurely open.) I couldn't find a GPG-signed MD5SUM > file, but all the unsigned ones I found agreed. After downloading the ISOs, > I checked the md5 sums, burned the CDs, and then checked the md5 sum on the > CD directly using the dd trick. Everything checked. Then when I brought > the disks home and did the mediacheck, the exact same thing happened as > with test2 - disks 1, 2, and 3 failed, passed, and failed, resp. This didn't > happen with test1, so something broke in test2 and hasn't been fixed. We did have some kernel problems with CD drives and DMA. Please try to turn off DMA and see if that helps at all. If you're using the installer to mediacheck, DMA should already be turned off in that kernel for CD drives... We definitely need to get as much info on the problem as possible, so anything you can find would be helpful. -- Elliot Millions long for immortality who do not know what to do with themselves on a rainy Sunday afternoon. From elwoo at videotron.ca Mon Oct 13 16:12:05 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 12:12:05 -0400 Subject: Severn3 / Fedora Core2 ? In-Reply-To: <1066060599.7289.143.camel@earth.xades.com> References: <200310131123.24693.elwoo@videotron.ca> <1066060599.7289.143.camel@earth.xades.com> Message-ID: <200310131212.05675.elwoo@videotron.ca> On October 13, 2003 11:56 am, nosp > wrote: > On Mon, 2003-10-13 at 16:23, Elton Woo wrote: > > Site: ftp.dulug.duke.edu > > Bittorrent seems to be already up from that server too: > > http://torrent.dulug.duke.edu/severn3-binary-iso.torrent > > ...so start btdownloading and help d/l them :) I don't have bittorrent installed .. :-( Elton. -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From andre at bwh.harvard.edu Mon Oct 13 16:21:51 2003 From: andre at bwh.harvard.edu (Andre Robatino) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 12:21:51 -0400 (EDT) Subject: test3 mediacheck still brain dead In-Reply-To: from "Elliot Lee" at Oct 13, 2003 12:11:42 PM Message-ID: <200310131621.h9DGLpO28855@garfield.bwh.harvard.edu> > We did have some kernel problems with CD drives and DMA. Please try to > turn off DMA and see if that helps at all. If you're using the installer > to mediacheck, DMA should already be turned off in that kernel for CD > drives... We definitely need to get as much info on the problem as > possible, so anything you can find would be helpful. > > -- Elliot I used the installer - booted from the 1st CD, hit enter, then checked the 3 disks in order. I'd be happy to help if you could suggest any other tests to run. From davej at redhat.com Mon Oct 13 16:29:49 2003 From: davej at redhat.com (Dave Jones) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 17:29:49 +0100 Subject: test3 mediacheck still brain dead In-Reply-To: References: <200310131546.h9DFkEn28740@garfield.bwh.harvard.edu> Message-ID: <20031013162948.GG30381@redhat.com> On Mon, Oct 13, 2003 at 12:11:42PM -0400, Elliot Lee wrote: > We did have some kernel problems with CD drives and DMA. Please try to > turn off DMA and see if that helps at all. If you're using the installer > to mediacheck, DMA should already be turned off in that kernel for CD > drives... We definitely need to get as much info on the problem as > possible, so anything you can find would be helpful. Additionally, some drives _need_ you to have burned the CD using padding (-pad in cdparanoia, other apps may use something else). Dave -- Dave Jones http://www.codemonkey.org.uk From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Mon Oct 13 16:36:13 2003 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: 13 Oct 2003 12:36:13 -0400 Subject: Severn3 / Fedora Core2 ? In-Reply-To: <1066060599.7289.143.camel@earth.xades.com> References: <200310131123.24693.elwoo@videotron.ca> <1066060599.7289.143.camel@earth.xades.com> Message-ID: <1066062973.28300.10.camel@opus> On Mon, 2003-10-13 at 11:56, nosp wrote: > On Mon, 2003-10-13 at 16:23, Elton Woo wrote: > > Site: ftp.dulug.duke.edu > > Bittorrent seems to be already up from that server too: > > http://torrent.dulug.duke.edu/severn3-binary-iso.torrent > > ...so start btdownloading and help d/l them :) > you'll find that the tracker is not accessible. -sv From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Mon Oct 13 16:36:24 2003 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: 13 Oct 2003 12:36:24 -0400 Subject: Severn3 / Fedora Core2 ? In-Reply-To: <200310131123.24693.elwoo@videotron.ca> References: <200310131123.24693.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <1066062984.28421.12.camel@opus> On Mon, 2003-10-13 at 11:23, Elton Woo wrote: > The mirrors seem to be syncing, but I've found one that already > shows this list: > > MD5SUM 1 KB 13/10/03 04:44:00 AM > severn-SRPMS-disc1.iso 638560 KB 10/10/03 04:35:00 PM > severn-SRPMS-disc2.iso 638496 KB 10/10/03 04:38:00 PM > severn-SRPMS-disc3.iso 638496 KB 10/10/03 04:40:00 PM > severn-i386-disc1.iso 651232 KB 10/10/03 04:23:00 PM > severn-i386-disc2.iso 653056 KB 10/10/03 04:28:00 PM > severn-i386-disc3.iso 647968 KB 10/10/03 04:32:00 PM > > Site: ftp.dulug.duke.edu > that has been corrected. -sv From alan at redhat.com Mon Oct 13 16:47:30 2003 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 12:47:30 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Pause at kernel boot In-Reply-To: <3F89CA97.1010506@skmoore.com> from "Stephen Moore" at Hyd 13, 2003 07:41:43 Message-ID: <200310131647.h9DGlUA09291@devserv.devel.redhat.com> > NFORCE2: not 100% native mode: will probe irqs later > > Off Topic:- I have never seen a message that says "100% Native mode", > what does this message mean and what is the point? IDE devices have two standard modes (and sometimes a few weird ones of their own). Knowing which mode the controller is in is critical to debugging hangs From nosp at xades.com Mon Oct 13 16:47:40 2003 From: nosp at xades.com (nosp) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 17:47:40 +0100 Subject: Severn3 / Fedora Core2 ? In-Reply-To: <1066062973.28300.10.camel@opus> References: <200310131123.24693.elwoo@videotron.ca> <1066060599.7289.143.camel@earth.xades.com> <1066062973.28300.10.camel@opus> Message-ID: <1066063660.7289.145.camel@earth.xades.com> On Mon, 2003-10-13 at 17:36, seth vidal wrote: > you'll find that the tracker is not accessible. Unfortunately, yes...a torrent without a tracker is lonely, indeed. From andre at bwh.harvard.edu Mon Oct 13 16:45:06 2003 From: andre at bwh.harvard.edu (Andre Robatino) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 12:45:06 -0400 (EDT) Subject: test3 mediacheck still brain dead In-Reply-To: <20031013162948.GG30381@redhat.com> from "Dave Jones" at Oct 13, 2003 05:29:49 PM Message-ID: <200310131645.h9DGj7l28908@garfield.bwh.harvard.edu> > On Mon, Oct 13, 2003 at 12:11:42PM -0400, Elliot Lee wrote: > > > We did have some kernel problems with CD drives and DMA. Please try to > > turn off DMA and see if that helps at all. If you're using the installer > > to mediacheck, DMA should already be turned off in that kernel for CD > > drives... We definitely need to get as much info on the problem as > > possible, so anything you can find would be helpful. > > Additionally, some drives _need_ you to have burned the CD using > padding (-pad in cdparanoia, other apps may use something else). > > Dave I essentially just used "cdrecord file.iso". I notice now that cdrecord has a "-pad" option, but knowing almost nothing about burning CDs, it didn't occur to me to use it. I'll try reburning the CDs next time using this to see if it works. If this is the cause, can it be explained using the size of the ISOs why disk 2 is the only one to check okay when padding isn't used? -rw-r--r-- 1 andre spl1 666861568 Oct 13 05:47 severn-i386-disc1.iso -rw-r--r-- 1 andre spl1 668729344 Oct 13 07:33 severn-i386-disc2.iso -rw-r--r-- 1 andre spl1 663519232 Oct 13 08:23 severn-i386-disc3.iso From alikins at redhat.com Mon Oct 13 16:50:41 2003 From: alikins at redhat.com (Adrian Likins) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 12:50:41 -0400 Subject: up2date problem? In-Reply-To: <1065830188.5407.14.camel@bettie.internal.frields.org>; from paul@frields.com on Fri, Oct 10, 2003 at 07:56:28PM -0400 References: <1065830188.5407.14.camel@bettie.internal.frields.org> Message-ID: <20031013125041.B10614@redhat.com> On Fri, Oct 10, 2003 at 07:56:28PM -0400, Paul W. Frields wrote: > Just upgraded to up2date-4.1.5-1 (about 30 sec ago)... progress dialog > is frozen at the "Testing package set / solving RPM inter-dependencies" > stage. There are a large number of entries in the main dialog for > Canna-3.6-22, I can't tell how many due to the modality of the progress > dialog. > > The /etc/sysconfig/rhn/sources file has commented out the default line > for "up2date default", and instead only has a persistent directive for > "yum rawhide http://ftp.redhat.com/pub/redhat/linux/rawhide/". > > Changing the directive back to the default and re-running up2date fixed > the problem, apparently, since the update is now working correctly. > > I just added to bugzilla, in case anyone wants to comment: > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=106825 New versions of up2date for fedora use a yum repo for fedora as the default channel now. And yes, it can be very slow on the first run though while it downloads headers. I'll try to make the dep solve progress stuff a bit prettier for yum repos this week sometimes if I get a chance. Adrian From cochranb at speakeasy.net Mon Oct 13 16:55:01 2003 From: cochranb at speakeasy.net (Robert L Cochran) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 12:55:01 -0400 Subject: Severn3 / Fedora Core2 ? In-Reply-To: <200310131123.24693.elwoo@videotron.ca> References: <200310131123.24693.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <3F8AD8E5.3010201@speakeasy.net> Speaking for myself, I'm all primed and ready to grab iso's through Bittorrent. The tracker is there but does not seem to be running. Elton Woo wrote: > The mirrors seem to be syncing, but I've found one that already > shows this list: > > MD5SUM 1 KB 13/10/03 04:44:00 AM > severn-SRPMS-disc1.iso 638560 KB 10/10/03 04:35:00 PM > severn-SRPMS-disc2.iso 638496 KB 10/10/03 04:38:00 PM > severn-SRPMS-disc3.iso 638496 KB 10/10/03 04:40:00 PM > severn-i386-disc1.iso 651232 KB 10/10/03 04:23:00 PM > severn-i386-disc2.iso 653056 KB 10/10/03 04:28:00 PM > severn-i386-disc3.iso 647968 KB 10/10/03 04:32:00 PM > > Site: ftp.dulug.duke.edu > > > Elton ;-) -- Bob Cochran Greenbelt, Maryland, USA http://greenbeltcomputer.biz/ From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Mon Oct 13 17:06:12 2003 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: 13 Oct 2003 13:06:12 -0400 Subject: Severn3 / Fedora Core2 ? In-Reply-To: <3F8AD8E5.3010201@speakeasy.net> References: <200310131123.24693.elwoo@videotron.ca> <3F8AD8E5.3010201@speakeasy.net> Message-ID: <1066064772.28421.41.camel@opus> On Mon, 2003-10-13 at 12:55, Robert L Cochran wrote: > Speaking for myself, I'm all primed and ready to grab iso's through > Bittorrent. The tracker is there but does not seem to be running. > > The tracker is running but the isos have not been released yet so the tracker is iptabled off. -sv From smearp at mac.com Mon Oct 13 17:08:05 2003 From: smearp at mac.com (Sean Earp) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 10:08:05 -0700 Subject: Severn3 / Fedora Core2 ? In-Reply-To: <200310131123.24693.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: On Monday, October 13, 2003, at 08:23 AM, Elton Woo wrote: > The mirrors seem to be syncing, but I've found one that already > shows this list: > > MD5SUM 1 KB 13/10/03 04:44:00 AM > severn-SRPMS-disc1.iso 638560 KB 10/10/03 04:35:00 PM > severn-SRPMS-disc2.iso 638496 KB 10/10/03 04:38:00 PM > severn-SRPMS-disc3.iso 638496 KB 10/10/03 04:40:00 PM > severn-i386-disc1.iso 651232 KB 10/10/03 04:23:00 PM > severn-i386-disc2.iso 653056 KB 10/10/03 04:28:00 PM > severn-i386-disc3.iso 647968 KB 10/10/03 04:32:00 PM > > Site: ftp.dulug.duke.edu 150 MB into the download, Duke kicked me off, and the permissions on the severn directory are no longer world-readable. drwxr-xr-x 2 501 501 4096 Jul 13 2002 roswell drwxr-x--- 3 501 501 4096 Jul 18 18:14 severn drwxr-xr-x 2 501 501 4096 Jul 13 2002 skipjack No early download for me I guess :o( Anyone know of other mirrors that are still up? -Sean From elwoo at videotron.ca Mon Oct 13 17:15:42 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 13:15:42 -0400 Subject: Severn3 / Fedora Core2 ? In-Reply-To: <1066060599.7289.143.camel@earth.xades.com> References: <200310131123.24693.elwoo@videotron.ca> <1066060599.7289.143.camel@earth.xades.com> Message-ID: <200310131315.42671.elwoo@videotron.ca> On October 13, 2003 11:56 am, nosp > wrote: > On Mon, 2003-10-13 at 16:23, Elton Woo wrote: > > Site: ftp.dulug.duke.edu > > Bittorrent seems to be already up from that server too: > > http://torrent.dulug.duke.edu/severn3-binary-iso.torrent > > ...so start btdownloading and help d/l them :) Could you kindly post the md5sums? Either I downloaded the *wrong* md5sums file, or my downloads are all corrupted! TIA Elton ;-) -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From marguz at ameritech.net Mon Oct 13 17:21:12 2003 From: marguz at ameritech.net (Mark Guzzo) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 12:21:12 -0500 Subject: Bittorrent Message-ID: <1066065671.22794.0.camel@PURPLE.mbhome.cxm> Anyone know of a Bittorrent link for Fedora Test 3? Mark From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Mon Oct 13 17:23:19 2003 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: 13 Oct 2003 13:23:19 -0400 Subject: Bittorrent In-Reply-To: <1066065671.22794.0.camel@PURPLE.mbhome.cxm> References: <1066065671.22794.0.camel@PURPLE.mbhome.cxm> Message-ID: <1066065799.28421.47.camel@opus> On Mon, 2003-10-13 at 13:21, Mark Guzzo wrote: > Anyone know of a Bittorrent link for Fedora Test 3? > FCT3 is NOT OUT YET. When it comes out there will be a torrent link for it on the announcement just like every other release. -sv From bwheadley at earthlink.net Mon Oct 13 17:33:23 2003 From: bwheadley at earthlink.net (Bryan W. Headley) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 12:33:23 -0500 Subject: Severn3 / Fedora Core2 ? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3F8AE1E3.6060407@earthlink.net> Sean Earp wrote: severn directory are no longer world-readable. > > drwxr-xr-x 2 501 501 4096 Jul 13 2002 roswell > drwxr-x--- 3 501 501 4096 Jul 18 18:14 severn > drwxr-xr-x 2 501 501 4096 Jul 13 2002 skipjack > > No early download for me I guess :o( Anyone know of other mirrors > that are still up? Well, given as how ftp.redhat.com has the same permissions do-dah... none for long! -- ____ .:. ____ Bryan W. Headley - bwheadley at earthlink.net From dnrlinux at san.rr.com Mon Oct 13 17:51:29 2003 From: dnrlinux at san.rr.com (Don) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 10:51:29 -0700 Subject: Severn3 / Fedora Core2 ? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Same happened to me.... Maybe they had a recall for a last-second rebuild/showstopper.... and are making new ISOs as we speak.... Don > -----Original Message----- > From: fedora-test-list-admin at redhat.com > [mailto:fedora-test-list-admin at redhat.com]On Behalf Of Sean Earp > Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 10:08 AM > To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com > Subject: Re: Severn3 / Fedora Core2 ? > > > On Monday, October 13, 2003, at 08:23 AM, Elton Woo wrote: > > > Site: ftp.dulug.duke.edu > > 150 MB into the download, Duke kicked me off, and the permissions on > the severn directory are no longer world-readable. From jgeorgeson at lopht.net Mon Oct 13 17:52:05 2003 From: jgeorgeson at lopht.net (Justin Georgeson) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 12:52:05 -0500 Subject: Bittorrent References: <1066065671.22794.0.camel@PURPLE.mbhome.cxm> <1066065799.28421.47.camel@opus> Message-ID: <3F8AE645.5050509@lopht.net> seth vidal wrote: > On Mon, 2003-10-13 at 13:21, Mark Guzzo wrote: > >>Anyone know of a Bittorrent link for Fedora Test 3? >> > > > FCT3 is NOT OUT YET. When it comes out there will be a torrent link for > it on the announcement just like every other release. the torrent.dulug.duke.edu page is already updated, it's just a countdown to the official release time at the moment. Isn't that usually at 2 PM EST? From elwoo at videotron.ca Mon Oct 13 17:58:52 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 13:58:52 -0400 Subject: test3 mediacheck still brain dead In-Reply-To: <200310131546.h9DFkEn28740@garfield.bwh.harvard.edu> References: <200310131546.h9DFkEn28740@garfield.bwh.harvard.edu> Message-ID: <200310131358.52640.elwoo@videotron.ca> On October 13, 2003 11:46 am, Andre Robatino > wrote: > I just burned the test3 ISOs. (In case you're wondering how I got them > so fast, if you peruse Red Hat's list of mirrors, you can usually find one > or two that are prematurely open.) I couldn't find a GPG-signed MD5SUM > file, but all the unsigned ones I found agreed. After downloading the > ISOs, Could you kindly post the md5sum? I downloaded 3 iso's from ftp.dulug.duke.edu. The images are dated 10 Oct. but the md5sums don't match. Now I see duke and other mirrors are syncing... (?). TIA, Elton ;-) -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From jrmizell at earthlink.net Mon Oct 13 18:12:39 2003 From: jrmizell at earthlink.net (John Mizell) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 13:12:39 -0500 Subject: Severn3 / Fedora Core2 ? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1066068759.11549.2.camel@supernova> I got kicked off from duke and restarted the download just fine to download disk 1 and 2. But then I could not download disk3 because of the permissions problem. Then I went to redhat and have the disk 3 downloading right now. On Mon, 2003-10-13 at 12:51, Don wrote: > Same happened to me.... Maybe they had a recall for a last-second > rebuild/showstopper.... and are making new ISOs as we speak.... > > Don > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: fedora-test-list-admin at redhat.com > > [mailto:fedora-test-list-admin at redhat.com]On Behalf Of Sean Earp > > Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 10:08 AM > > To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com > > Subject: Re: Severn3 / Fedora Core2 ? > > > > > > On Monday, October 13, 2003, at 08:23 AM, Elton Woo wrote: > > > > > Site: ftp.dulug.duke.edu > > > > 150 MB into the download, Duke kicked me off, and the permissions on > > the severn directory are no longer world-readable. > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list -- John Mizell From dnrlinux at san.rr.com Mon Oct 13 18:11:13 2003 From: dnrlinux at san.rr.com (Don) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 11:11:13 -0700 Subject: test3 mediacheck still brain dead In-Reply-To: <200310131546.h9DFkEn28740@garfield.bwh.harvard.edu> Message-ID: I used the media check for test2 and had no problems (with that) .. all three CDs passed first time. Maybe your problem isn't with the CDs/ISOs after all... I can't get test3 yet.... I was only about 15% done downloading when the rug got pulled out from under me.... now it seems the release is delayed a bit.... Don > -----Original Message----- > From: fedora-test-list-admin at redhat.com > [mailto:fedora-test-list-admin at redhat.com]On Behalf Of Andre Robatino > Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 8:46 AM > To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com > Subject: test3 mediacheck still brain dead > > > I just burned the test3 ISOs. (In case you're wondering how I got them > so fast, if you peruse Red Hat's list of mirrors, you can usually find one > or two that are prematurely open.) I couldn't find a GPG-signed MD5SUM > file, but all the unsigned ones I found agreed. After > downloading the ISOs, > I checked the md5 sums, burned the CDs, and then checked the md5 > sum on the > CD directly using the dd trick. Everything checked. Then when I brought > the disks home and did the mediacheck, the exact same thing happened as > with test2 - disks 1, 2, and 3 failed, passed, and failed, resp. > This didn't > happen with test1, so something broke in test2 and hasn't been fixed. > I tried to make a tarball of my home directory to do a clean > install, but > got an error at the end > > tar: Error exit delayed from previous errors > > which I never got before despite using the same procedure. Is this due to > files changing while the tarfile is being made, and is there anything > different now than at the end of test1 that might be causing > this? I didn't > see any reported bugs for tar itself. > So I finally did an upgrade rather than a clean install. There > were only > a handful of packages that needed upgrading, and it finished in a few > minutes. > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From blizzard at redhat.com Mon Oct 13 18:12:31 2003 From: blizzard at redhat.com (Christopher Blizzard) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 14:12:31 -0400 Subject: gaim update In-Reply-To: <1065813069.2564.26.camel@earth.xades.com> References: <1065812112.3922.8.camel@stantz.corp.sgi.com> <1065813069.2564.26.camel@earth.xades.com> Message-ID: <3F8AEB0F.7000704@redhat.com> nosp wrote: >On Fri, 2003-10-10 at 19:55, Florin Andrei wrote: > > >>Please update gaim in the Rawhide rep. to 0.71, as it fixes the issue >>with Yahoo login. >> >> > >Seconded. > >https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=106804 > > > > > It's been updated to 0.71. --Chris -- ------------ Christopher Blizzard http://people.redhat.com/blizzard/ ------------ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Todd ________________________________ From: fedora-test-list-admin at redhat.com on behalf of Sean Earp Sent: Mon 10/13/2003 10:08 AM To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com Subject: Re: Severn3 / Fedora Core2 ? On Monday, October 13, 2003, at 08:23 AM, Elton Woo wrote: > The mirrors seem to be syncing, but I've found one that already > shows this list: > > MD5SUM 1 KB 13/10/03 04:44:00 AM > severn-SRPMS-disc1.iso 638560 KB 10/10/03 04:35:00 PM > severn-SRPMS-disc2.iso 638496 KB 10/10/03 04:38:00 PM > severn-SRPMS-disc3.iso 638496 KB 10/10/03 04:40:00 PM > severn-i386-disc1.iso 651232 KB 10/10/03 04:23:00 PM > severn-i386-disc2.iso 653056 KB 10/10/03 04:28:00 PM > severn-i386-disc3.iso 647968 KB 10/10/03 04:32:00 PM > > Site: ftp.dulug.duke.edu 150 MB into the download, Duke kicked me off, and the permissions on the severn directory are no longer world-readable. drwxr-xr-x 2 501 501 4096 Jul 13 2002 roswell drwxr-x--- 3 501 501 4096 Jul 18 18:14 severn drwxr-xr-x 2 501 501 4096 Jul 13 2002 skipjack No early download for me I guess :o( Anyone know of other mirrors that are still up? -Sean -- fedora-test-list mailing list fedora-test-list at redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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So, as someone else pointed out, maybe they are makind a fresher set of disks with some really hot stuff...! Elton ;-) P.S. I downloaded the three ISO's using mozilla. From my experience, at least, I find this much faster than BitTorrent (at least with ver. 3.2). -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From blizzard at redhat.com Mon Oct 13 18:19:34 2003 From: blizzard at redhat.com (Christopher Blizzard) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 14:19:34 -0400 Subject: Thunderbird and Firebird RPMS ? In-Reply-To: <3F889F48.3060708@insight.rr.com> References: <1065457089.6460.24.camel@o7344-lnx.bic-bill.com> <3F8446C2.6010401@redhat.com> <3F889F48.3060708@insight.rr.com> Message-ID: <3F8AECB6.80706@redhat.com> Jim Cornette wrote: > Christopher Blizzard wrote: > >> Vidyut Luther wrote: >> >>> I'm curious if there are any plans on including Firebird, or >>> Thunderbird, or both, as part of the standard distribution.. I've >>> installed Firebird since day 1 of the Severn 2 install and it's >>> great. I >>> have the nightly xft2+gtk build, and not one problem whatsoever. of >>> course, other people have had different experiences.. but I'm >>> curious of >>> those two products would make it to the main distro, as part of a lean >>> install, for users like me, who have Evolution for mail, and just want >>> Firebird for browsing, I know I don't have to install the mozilla-mail >>> package, but it would be cool to not have the cruft associated with it. >>> If people want the full mozilla, they can. but for people like me, >>> can i >>> just get an rpm ? >>> >>> >>> >> I haven't because it's somewhat difficult to have Firebird installed >> at the same time as the rest of the browser without completely >> duplicating the entire installation. And that's just a huge waste of >> space. >> >> --Chris >> > > > Also, when Thunderbird is up. You cannot launch Mozilla seperately. It > interferes with the full version of Mozilla. In my case anyway. > > Jim > Yeah, that's the xremote mess. One of the other mozilla developers and I have been talking about how to fix that on and off for the last few weeks. --Chris -- ------------ Christopher Blizzard http://people.redhat.com/blizzard/ ------------ From cochranb at speakeasy.net Mon Oct 13 18:24:35 2003 From: cochranb at speakeasy.net (Robert L Cochran) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 14:24:35 -0400 Subject: Bittorrent In-Reply-To: <1066065671.22794.0.camel@PURPLE.mbhome.cxm> References: <1066065671.22794.0.camel@PURPLE.mbhome.cxm> Message-ID: <3F8AEDE3.7020806@speakeasy.net> The tracker is there, I tried it about 2 hours ago, but it appears not to be running properly. Bob Mark Guzzo wrote: > Anyone know of a Bittorrent link for Fedora Test 3? > > Mark > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > -- Bob Cochran Greenbelt, Maryland, USA http://greenbeltcomputer.biz/ From czar at czarc.net Mon Oct 13 18:34:06 2003 From: czar at czarc.net (Gene C.) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 14:34:06 -0400 Subject: question for Red Hat Message-ID: <200310131434.06648.czar@czarc.net> Anything special (besides the anaconda installer) that we should look for? -- Gene From aoliva at redhat.com Mon Oct 13 18:37:27 2003 From: aoliva at redhat.com (Alexandre Oliva) Date: 13 Oct 2003 15:37:27 -0300 Subject: up2date problem? In-Reply-To: <20031013125041.B10614@redhat.com> References: <1065830188.5407.14.camel@bettie.internal.frields.org> <20031013125041.B10614@redhat.com> Message-ID: On Oct 13, 2003, Adrian Likins wrote: > New versions of up2date for fedora use a > yum repo for fedora as the default channel now. And I must say it's *very* cool. I spent part of the weekend finding repos to use and figuring out how to set things up, and I *love* it. Here's the sources file I'm using (with entries I got from postings to this list). -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: up2date-sources-0.95 Type: application/octet-stream Size: 1013 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- local-rawhide has a copy of rawhide's SRPMS and i386, with headers generated locally with `yum-arch /l/mirror/redhat/rawhide'. I tried using the headers directly from rawhide, but then up2date would break because headers.info mentioned headers for non-i386 arches, that I'd chosen to not mirror, and then it fell apart. Here are some notes of problems I noticed while trying these new features: - yum entries in the sources file mistakenly created with 4 columns raises exception - 404 error in URL raises exception to tty, and proceeds to package selection without any packages to select - exception when loading obsolete list for apt repository, when running GUI up2date. I have got this only the first few times I ran it. Now, even if I clear /var/spool/up2date, I no longer get the error. Very odd. - local dir package could recurse into arch-named subdirs, maybe even look for yum repo (or example file should suggest yum file:/ URL for this purpose). Maybe a dir-recursive entry type? file:/ feels slow. - single-arch filtered rawhide doesn't work as a yum repository, as explained in the paragraph above. - I get gh[123] debug messages while fetching pkg lists from dag's apt repo - it downloads headers even for packages that are already installed, bloating /var/spool/up2date - it doesn't use http proxy set up with up2date --configure for non-rhn servers. I worked around this by configuring a transparent http proxy for my home network, which I'd meant to do for quite a while :-) - resolves dependency to athlon package from apt repo on an i686 box. up2date -i mplayer, for example, requires lirc, whose athlon build is selected from dag's repository, and them it refuses to install the athlon package because it's an i686 box - after `up2date -i some-package', its header file is removed. Later on, if we try to install another package that requires some-package's header for dependency resolution, up2date enters an infinite loop looking for the header in /var/spool/up2date (and all packageDirs, if configured), because it doesn't fetch the header again. Maybe it shouldn't have removed them in the first place? cd /var/spool/up2date && rm -f * fixes it. - unsatisfiable dependency is reported as an exception, without any reference to the missing package. - it reports directory conflicts between packages that rpm will install without any problem - some dependencies are not properly identified or resolved. I got crashes in dependency resolution in some cases, that I couldn't duplicate after installing other packages manually. One reproducible example I remember is flac-xmms, that requires id3lib, but id3lib isn't brought in as a dependency. - up2date -u --channel= attempts to update packages from other (apt and yum) channels - up2date gui could use a button to select/deselect all channels - dag's rh9 apt repo has mozilla-j2re 1.4.2-2, but he has mozilla-j2re 1.4.2-4. Even if I download it into a local yum repo, up2date -u won't update to it, although rpm -U does without --oldpackage. If I rpm -e then up2date -i, it gets the newer package. Would you like me to file these into bugzilla? All separate, or can you see that some of them are just symptoms of a single problem? -- Alexandre Oliva Enjoy Guarana', see http://www.ic.unicamp.br/~oliva/ Red Hat GCC Developer aoliva@{redhat.com, gcc.gnu.org} CS PhD student at IC-Unicamp oliva@{lsd.ic.unicamp.br, gnu.org} Free Software Evangelist Professional serial bug killer From katzj at redhat.com Mon Oct 13 18:47:39 2003 From: katzj at redhat.com (Jeremy Katz) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 14:47:39 -0400 Subject: Anaconda dies during update RH9->Fedora test2 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1066070859.24321.12.camel@mirkwood.devel.redhat.com> On Mon, 2003-10-13 at 02:28, Joachim Backes wrote: > Hi, trying to update my RH 9 to Fedora test2: After searching for installed > systems und looking for the installed RPM's, anaconda crashed: Bug 105811, fixed in the update disk available at http://people.redhat.com/~msf/severn-test2-updates.img Cheers, Jeremy From mark at talios.com Mon Oct 13 18:47:18 2003 From: mark at talios.com (Mark Derricutt) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 07:47:18 +1300 Subject: Sun J2SE 1.4.2 References: <20031013132816.22618.88730.Mailman@listman.back-rdu.redhat.com> <3F8AAD8D.6070702@math.unl.edu> Message-ID: On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 08:50:05 -0500, Rex Dieter wrote: > No, but you can package it as an rpm using the nosrc.rpm from > jpackage.org. You'll have to download the nosrc.rpm's, get the binaries > from sun, and (re)build the binary rpms yourself. Already using ( and loving ) JPackage :) -- Discouragement is a dissatisfaction with the past, a distaste for the present, and a distrust of the future - Maree de Jong, CLCA. From czar at czarc.net Mon Oct 13 19:03:57 2003 From: czar at czarc.net (Gene C.) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 15:03:57 -0400 Subject: what am I missing here Message-ID: <200310131503.57361.czar@czarc.net> I started download test 3. So far I have disc1. When I looked at disc1, I did not see the usual files such as README, RELEASE-NOTES, RPM-GPG-KEY, etc. -- Gene From katzj at redhat.com Mon Oct 13 18:51:07 2003 From: katzj at redhat.com (Jeremy Katz) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 14:51:07 -0400 Subject: test3 mediacheck still brain dead In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1066071067.24321.15.camel@mirkwood.devel.redhat.com> On Mon, 2003-10-13 at 12:11, Elliot Lee wrote: > On Mon, 13 Oct 2003, Andre Robatino wrote: > > I just burned the test3 ISOs. (In case you're wondering how I got them > > so fast, if you peruse Red Hat's list of mirrors, you can usually find one > > or two that are prematurely open.) I couldn't find a GPG-signed MD5SUM > > file, but all the unsigned ones I found agreed. After downloading the ISOs, > > I checked the md5 sums, burned the CDs, and then checked the md5 sum on the > > CD directly using the dd trick. Everything checked. Then when I brought > > the disks home and did the mediacheck, the exact same thing happened as > > with test2 - disks 1, 2, and 3 failed, passed, and failed, resp. This didn't > > happen with test1, so something broke in test2 and hasn't been fixed. > > We did have some kernel problems with CD drives and DMA. Please try to > turn off DMA and see if that helps at all. If you're using the installer > to mediacheck, DMA should already be turned off in that kernel for CD > drives... We definitely need to get as much info on the problem as > possible, so anything you can find would be helpful. Unfortunately, not true anymore -- the kernel on the CD is not longer the -BOOT kernel (so that you can boot with acpi=on for hardware which requires ACPI support) and DMA is still on for the main kernels. Cheers, Jeremy From alan at clueserver.org Mon Oct 13 19:18:46 2003 From: alan at clueserver.org (Alan) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 12:18:46 -0700 Subject: Bittorrent In-Reply-To: <1066065799.28421.47.camel@opus> References: <1066065671.22794.0.camel@PURPLE.mbhome.cxm> <1066065799.28421.47.camel@opus> Message-ID: <1066072726.8075.7.camel@zontar.clueserver.org> On Mon, 2003-10-13 at 10:23, seth vidal wrote: > On Mon, 2003-10-13 at 13:21, Mark Guzzo wrote: > > Anyone know of a Bittorrent link for Fedora Test 3? > > > > FCT3 is NOT OUT YET. When it comes out there will be a torrent link for > it on the announcement just like every other release. I hope so. Otherwise the servers will get nuked from orbit. (ORBit?) -- alan at clueserver.org - alan at ctrl-alt-del.com "...new-fangled and artificial treasons have been the great engines by which violent factions, the natural offspring of free government, have usually wreaked their alternate malignity on each other...." - James Madison in The Federalist No. 43, From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Mon Oct 13 19:32:09 2003 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 15:32:09 -0400 Subject: New Release Today? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1066073528.11403.10.camel@binkley> On Mon, 2003-10-13 at 11:48, Pekka Savola wrote: > On Mon, 13 Oct 2003, Robert L Cochran wrote: > > Is a new Fedora Release coming out today? And does this mean a new CD > > set, or just updates througn up2date? > > The sync-up of ISOs was delayed a couple of days, so the official release > is also delayed a bit. If I had to guess, I'd estimate the release will > be sometime tomorrow. it's up now. 2pm EDT on monday. -sv From nosp at xades.com Mon Oct 13 19:34:11 2003 From: nosp at xades.com (nosp) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 20:34:11 +0100 Subject: Severn3 / Fedora Core2 ? In-Reply-To: <1066063660.7289.145.camel@earth.xades.com> References: <200310131123.24693.elwoo@videotron.ca> <1066060599.7289.143.camel@earth.xades.com> <1066062973.28300.10.camel@opus> <1066063660.7289.145.camel@earth.xades.com> Message-ID: <1066073651.7289.171.camel@earth.xades.com> On Mon, 2003-10-13 at 17:47, nosp wrote: > On Mon, 2003-10-13 at 17:36, seth vidal wrote: > > you'll find that the tracker is not accessible. > > Unfortunately, yes...a torrent without a tracker is lonely, indeed. Looks like the tracker is now up...is that official? From seyman at wanadoo.fr Mon Oct 13 19:49:13 2003 From: seyman at wanadoo.fr (Emmanuel Seyman) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 21:49:13 +0200 Subject: test3 mediacheck still brain dead In-Reply-To: <200310131358.52640.elwoo@videotron.ca> References: <200310131546.h9DFkEn28740@garfield.bwh.harvard.edu> <200310131358.52640.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <20031013194913.GA9646@orient.maison> On Mon, Oct 13, 2003 at 01:58:52PM -0400, Elton Woo wrote: > > Could you kindly post the md5sum? I have this: ab54b65ece278d62c7b2561b92cd41e9 severn-i386-disc1.iso d413940309010b297e491c0d9760d34a severn-i386-disc2.iso 50d2b160830bed01c84cea18d26b01fa severn-i386-disc3.iso 803c744bc469f7c1709b24c6b0ecf423 severn-SRPMS-disc1.iso c1700888455097e376edcbfe2c9435ea severn-SRPMS-disc2.iso 08a0fe45eb8fe44d7c7ca94764b3b5b6 severn-SRPMS-disc3.iso Emmanuel From notting at redhat.com Mon Oct 13 20:19:09 2003 From: notting at redhat.com (Bill Nottingham) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 16:19:09 -0400 Subject: Rhythmbox/GStreamer and MP3s... In-Reply-To: <1065903768.23095.7.camel@ripley>; from bcs@metacon.ca on Sat, Oct 11, 2003 at 05:22:49PM -0300 References: <1065903768.23095.7.camel@ripley> Message-ID: <20031013161909.C2400@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Ben Steeves (bcs at metacon.ca) said: > Can someone share the secret to getting the mad plugin for GStreamer > into Fedora? Or am I compiling the whole shebang from source (tricky, > since there are multiple dependencies on gstreamer as packaged...) > > gstreamer-0.6.3-1 > gstreamer-plugins-0.6.3-3 > gstreamer-tools-0.6.3-1 > rhythmbox-0.5.3-4 > > Any help is appreciated... You will need a gstreamer plugin that supports MP3; this in some distributions will be in the gstreamer-plugins package. Bill From notting at redhat.com Mon Oct 13 20:20:01 2003 From: notting at redhat.com (Bill Nottingham) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 16:20:01 -0400 Subject: Look like gpm is trying to start twice In-Reply-To: <1065905417.3763.2.camel@tiger>; from louisg00@bellsouth.net on Sat, Oct 11, 2003 at 04:50:17PM -0400 References: <1065905417.3763.2.camel@tiger> Message-ID: <20031013162001.D2400@devserv.devel.redhat.com> What I'd guess is... Louis Garcia (louisg00 at bellsouth.net) said: > Oct 11 16:20:34 tiger gpm: gpm startup succeeded <----------- This is the script.... > Oct 11 16:20:43 tiger gpm[2762]: O0o.oops(): [gpm.c(949)]: <---------- > Oct 11 16:20:43 tiger gpm[2762]: mouse initialization failed <-------- This is gpm the server started by that script. Bill From ed at redhat.com Mon Oct 13 20:22:29 2003 From: ed at redhat.com (Edward C. Bailey) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 16:22:29 -0400 Subject: what am I missing here In-Reply-To: <200310131503.57361.czar@czarc.net> (Gene C.'s message of "Mon, 13 Oct 2003 15:03:57 -0400") References: <200310131503.57361.czar@czarc.net> Message-ID: >>>>> "Gene" == Gene C writes: Gene> I started download test 3. So far I have disc1. When I looked at Gene> disc1, I did not see the usual files such as README, RELEASE-NOTES, Gene> RPM-GPG-KEY, etc. It's a known issue, unfortunately discovered early this morning (after the mirrors had already started doing their thing). These files will return in subsequent releases... Ed -- Ed Bailey Red Hat, Inc. http://www.redhat.com/ From czar at czarc.net Mon Oct 13 20:34:06 2003 From: czar at czarc.net (Gene C.) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 16:34:06 -0400 Subject: New Release Today? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200310131634.06626.czar@czarc.net> On Monday 13 October 2003 11:48, Pekka Savola wrote: > he sync-up of ISOs was delayed a couple of days, so the official release > is also delayed a bit. If I had to guess, I'd estimate the release will > be sometime tomorrow. Announced a little after 2 PM EDT on 13 October and available on ftp.redhat.com. -- Gene From seyman at wanadoo.fr Mon Oct 13 20:37:36 2003 From: seyman at wanadoo.fr (Emmanuel Seyman) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 22:37:36 +0200 Subject: Sun J2SE 1.4.2 In-Reply-To: <20031013145037.GA23466@talus.logic.net> References: <20031013014525.E26086@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <20031013105031.GA7160@orient.maison> <20031013145037.GA23466@talus.logic.net> Message-ID: <20031013203736.GA9885@orient.maison> On Mon, Oct 13, 2003 at 09:50:37AM -0500, esm at logic.net wrote: > > I believe you're thinking of jdkgcj, not gcc-java; I've double-checked and you're right. I was indeed thinking of jdkgcj. Sorry for the confusion. Emmanuel From forrestx.taylor at intel.com Mon Oct 13 19:37:13 2003 From: forrestx.taylor at intel.com (Taylor, ForrestX) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 12:37:13 -0700 Subject: What is up2date repackaging? Message-ID: <3F8AFEE9.8010508@intel.com> I just noticed that /var in FC Beta2 was taking up an extraordinary amount of space. I originally thought that it was /var/spool/up2date, but I noticed that there was a /var/spool/repackage directory containing over 1GB of rpm packages. I do recall seeing a 'Repackaging' screen in up2date, but I wasn't sure what it was doing. Does anyone know what up2date is doing? Also, I am getting the problem with up2date trying to update rpms that are already installed. I can verify that these rpms have several versions installed. I thought that this must be something to do with the up2date rollbacks, because this started happening when I setup the rollback option in up2date. Did anyone bugzilla this? Thanks, Forrest -- From aoliva at redhat.com Mon Oct 13 19:45:53 2003 From: aoliva at redhat.com (Alexandre Oliva) Date: 13 Oct 2003 16:45:53 -0300 Subject: test3 mediacheck still brain dead In-Reply-To: <200310131645.h9DGj7l28908@garfield.bwh.harvard.edu> References: <200310131645.h9DGj7l28908@garfield.bwh.harvard.edu> Message-ID: On Oct 13, 2003, Andre Robatino wrote: > I essentially just used "cdrecord file.iso". I notice now that cdrecord > has a "-pad" option, but knowing almost nothing about burning CDs, it didn't > occur to me to use it. -pad fixed the problem for me, but I didn't have to use it before. A CD burned without -pad works with Shrike's kernel, but not with Severn kernels. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=106685 has the details -- Alexandre Oliva Enjoy Guarana', see http://www.ic.unicamp.br/~oliva/ Red Hat GCC Developer aoliva@{redhat.com, gcc.gnu.org} CS PhD student at IC-Unicamp oliva@{lsd.ic.unicamp.br, gnu.org} Free Software Evangelist Professional serial bug killer From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Mon Oct 13 19:46:33 2003 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 15:46:33 -0400 Subject: Severn3 / Fedora Core2 ? In-Reply-To: <200310131315.42671.elwoo@videotron.ca> References: <200310131123.24693.elwoo@videotron.ca> <1066060599.7289.143.camel@earth.xades.com> <200310131315.42671.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <1066074393.11403.12.camel@binkley> On Mon, 2003-10-13 at 13:15, Elton Woo wrote: > On October 13, 2003 11:56 am, nosp > wrote: > > On Mon, 2003-10-13 at 16:23, Elton Woo wrote: > > > Site: ftp.dulug.duke.edu > > > > Bittorrent seems to be already up from that server too: > > > > http://torrent.dulug.duke.edu/severn3-binary-iso.torrent > > > > ...so start btdownloading and help d/l them :) > Could you kindly post the md5sums? Either I downloaded > the *wrong* md5sums file, or my downloads are all > corrupted! > the md5sums are IN the torrent-made dirs. -sv From katzj at redhat.com Mon Oct 13 19:48:19 2003 From: katzj at redhat.com (Jeremy Katz) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 15:48:19 -0400 Subject: what am I missing here In-Reply-To: <200310131503.57361.czar@czarc.net> References: <200310131503.57361.czar@czarc.net> Message-ID: <1066074499.24321.37.camel@mirkwood.devel.redhat.com> On Mon, 2003-10-13 at 15:03, Gene C. wrote: > I started download test 3. So far I have disc1. When I looked at disc1, I > did not see the usual files such as README, RELEASE-NOTES, RPM-GPG-KEY, etc. Yes, casualty of the redhat-release -> fedora-release name change :/ Cheers, Jeremy From notting at redhat.com Mon Oct 13 20:58:29 2003 From: notting at redhat.com (Bill Nottingham) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 16:58:29 -0400 Subject: bind-utils has no GPG signature In-Reply-To: <3F89BC73.4040507@lopht.net>; from jgeorgeson@lopht.net on Sun, Oct 12, 2003 at 03:41:23PM -0500 References: <3F89B671.5070400@lopht.net> <3F89BC7C.3000801@insight.rr.com> <3F89BC73.4040507@lopht.net> Message-ID: <20031013165829.E2400@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Justin Georgeson (jgeorgeson at lopht.net) said: > Jim Cornette wrote: > > Some of the program.rpm(s) in Rawhide are not signed. You will have to > > use the --nosig option to get these programs to retrieve them. > > why aren't they all signed? Signing is done by hand. The rawhide process is automated... Bill From notting at redhat.com Mon Oct 13 21:04:07 2003 From: notting at redhat.com (Bill Nottingham) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 17:04:07 -0400 Subject: Update or new ISOs ? In-Reply-To: ; from warlock_ba@hotmail.com on Mon, Oct 13, 2003 at 07:08:22PM +0300 References: Message-ID: <20031013170407.F2400@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Botoaca Andrei (warlock_ba at hotmail.com) said: > If i keep updating from rawhide will it be any different as if I would > download the new ISOs and install them ? (I don't really want to waste other > 3 CDs for this ... ) At the moment, no. Bill From smearp at mac.com Mon Oct 13 21:19:05 2003 From: smearp at mac.com (Sean Earp) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 14:19:05 -0700 Subject: Severn3 / Fedora Core2 ? In-Reply-To: <200310131315.42671.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: On Monday, October 13, 2003, at 10:15 AM, Elton Woo wrote: >> http://torrent.dulug.duke.edu/severn3-binary-iso.torrent >> >> ...so start btdownloading and help d/l them :) > Could you kindly post the md5sums? Either I downloaded > the *wrong* md5sums file, or my downloads are all > corrupted! Just noticed the following on the BitTorrent FAQ site: ---------- How do I know the download isn't corrupted? BitTorrent does cryptographic hashing (SHA1) of all data. When you see "Download succeeded!" you can be sure that BitTorrent has already verified the integrity of the data. The integrity and authenticity of a BitTorrent download is as good as the original request to the tracker. Checking the MD5/CRC32/other hash of a file downloaded via BitTorrent is redundant. ---------- Assuming you downloaded it from BitTorrent, then the above applies. If not, then hopefully someone else can help you out with the md5sums (BitTorrent says I have 26 hours left on my download...) -Sean :) From daniel-wittenberg at starken.com Mon Oct 13 20:00:48 2003 From: daniel-wittenberg at starken.com (Daniel Wittenberg) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 15:00:48 -0500 Subject: evolution reading error In-Reply-To: <1065963396.26727.0.camel@bettie.internal.frields.org> References: <1065883135.16554.25.camel@bettie.internal.frields.org> <3F88274B.4040508@web.de> <1065963396.26727.0.camel@bettie.internal.frields.org> Message-ID: <1066075248.13415.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> I realized this morning while reading email on my fedora test box, that if you have a message open, hit delete, the window closes, but the next message does not open. I confirmed on my RH 9 box with "official" Evolution 1.4 loaded, it does open the next message. I went to open a bug on this but didn't see Evolution listed in any of the branches. Dan -- ============================= Daniel Wittenberg RHCE+AS/IBM Certified Specialist President/CTO The Starken Group http://www.starken.com From dnrlinux at san.rr.com Mon Oct 13 20:03:14 2003 From: dnrlinux at san.rr.com (Don) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 13:03:14 -0700 Subject: Severn3 / Fedora Core2 ? In-Reply-To: <200310131315.42671.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: The sums are... ab54b65ece278d62c7b2561b92cd41e9 severn-i386-disc1.iso d413940309010b297e491c0d9760d34a severn-i386-disc2.iso 50d2b160830bed01c84cea18d26b01fa severn-i386-disc3.iso 803c744bc469f7c1709b24c6b0ecf423 severn-SRPMS-disc1.iso c1700888455097e376edcbfe2c9435ea severn-SRPMS-disc2.iso 08a0fe45eb8fe44d7c7ca94764b3b5b6 severn-SRPMS-disc3.iso That's for fedora test3... > -----Original Message----- > From: fedora-test-list-admin at redhat.com > [mailto:fedora-test-list-admin at redhat.com]On Behalf Of Elton Woo > Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 10:16 AM > To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com > Subject: Re: Severn3 / Fedora Core2 ? > > > On October 13, 2003 11:56 am, nosp > wrote: > > On Mon, 2003-10-13 at 16:23, Elton Woo wrote: > > > Site: ftp.dulug.duke.edu > > > > Bittorrent seems to be already up from that server too: > > > > http://torrent.dulug.duke.edu/severn3-binary-iso.torrent > > > > ...so start btdownloading and help d/l them :) > Could you kindly post the md5sums? Either I downloaded > the *wrong* md5sums file, or my downloads are all > corrupted! > > TIA > > Elton ;-) > -- > http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html > "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." > LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. > > > > > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From alikins at redhat.com Mon Oct 13 21:41:57 2003 From: alikins at redhat.com (Adrian Likins) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 17:41:57 -0400 Subject: What is up2date repackaging? In-Reply-To: <3F8AFEE9.8010508@intel.com>; from forrestx.taylor@intel.com on Mon, Oct 13, 2003 at 12:37:13PM -0700 References: <3F8AFEE9.8010508@intel.com> Message-ID: <20031013174157.A11396@redhat.com> On Mon, Oct 13, 2003 at 12:37:13PM -0700, Taylor, ForrestX wrote: > I just noticed that /var in FC Beta2 was taking up an extraordinary > amount of space. I originally thought that it was /var/spool/up2date, > but I noticed that there was a /var/spool/repackage directory containing > over 1GB of rpm packages. I do recall seeing a 'Repackaging' screen in > up2date, but I wasn't sure what it was doing. Does anyone know what > up2date is doing? > you have enableRollbacks turned on for some reason. Set that to 0 in /etc/sysconfig/rhn/up2date and it will stop creating repackage rpms (aka, rollback rpms) > Also, I am getting the problem with up2date trying to update rpms that > are already installed. I can verify that these rpms have several > versions installed. I thought that this must be something to do with > the up2date rollbacks, because this started happening when I setup the > rollback option in up2date. Did anyone bugzilla this? details about the packages (aka, name, version, release, arch) of whats installed, and what it's trying to install. a `rpm -qa` from before the attempted update would be very handy. (aka, info to reproduce this) Adrian From aoliva at redhat.com Mon Oct 13 20:11:00 2003 From: aoliva at redhat.com (Alexandre Oliva) Date: 13 Oct 2003 17:11:00 -0300 Subject: test3 mediacheck still brain dead In-Reply-To: <20031013162948.GG30381@redhat.com> References: <200310131546.h9DFkEn28740@garfield.bwh.harvard.edu> <20031013162948.GG30381@redhat.com> Message-ID: On Oct 13, 2003, Dave Jones wrote: > On Mon, Oct 13, 2003 at 12:11:42PM -0400, Elliot Lee wrote: >> DMA should already be turned off in that kernel for CD drives... It is not. The -BOOT kernel isn't used for the installer CD any longer, and only the -BOOT kernel was changed :-( > Additionally, some drives _need_ you to have burned the CD using > padding (-pad in cdparanoia, other apps may use something else). Not true. It's about the drive. It's the kernel. A CD burnt with Severn2 cdrecord, without -pad, fails verification on Severn2, but passes if I reboot the machine into Shrike and run the verification program from a chrooted Severn2. -- Alexandre Oliva Enjoy Guarana', see http://www.ic.unicamp.br/~oliva/ Red Hat GCC Developer aoliva@{redhat.com, gcc.gnu.org} CS PhD student at IC-Unicamp oliva@{lsd.ic.unicamp.br, gnu.org} Free Software Evangelist Professional serial bug killer From aoliva at redhat.com Mon Oct 13 21:43:20 2003 From: aoliva at redhat.com (Alexandre Oliva) Date: 13 Oct 2003 18:43:20 -0300 Subject: What is up2date repackaging? In-Reply-To: <3F8AFEE9.8010508@intel.com> References: <3F8AFEE9.8010508@intel.com> Message-ID: On Oct 13, 2003, "Taylor, ForrestX" wrote: > Does anyone know what up2date is doing? It creates (somewhat-broken) RPMs out of the installed files and database, such that you may be able to rollback the updates even if you didn't keep the original RPMs. -- Alexandre Oliva Enjoy Guarana', see http://www.ic.unicamp.br/~oliva/ Red Hat GCC Developer aoliva@{redhat.com, gcc.gnu.org} CS PhD student at IC-Unicamp oliva@{lsd.ic.unicamp.br, gnu.org} Free Software Evangelist Professional serial bug killer From pekkas at netcore.fi Mon Oct 13 20:13:10 2003 From: pekkas at netcore.fi (Pekka Savola) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 23:13:10 +0300 (EEST) Subject: New Release Today? In-Reply-To: <1066055251.6385.19.camel@gstpc.earthlink.net> Message-ID: On Mon, 13 Oct 2003, Gerry Tool wrote: > On Mon, 2003-10-13 at 09:22, Robert L Cochran wrote: > > Is a new Fedora Release coming out today? And does this mean a new CD > > set, or just updates througn up2date? > > I see that some of the mirrors are not available, hopefully they are > syncing to Test3. > > Can we get a statement from Red Hat about the time the new isos will be > available? Already available. Note: there seems to have been a problem at Red Hat's end: the root directory (../beta/severn/en/os/i386/) has no files such as Release-notes etc., like always. Hopefully this will be fixed soon, but the actual files and isos are all there. -- Pekka Savola "You each name yourselves king, yet the Netcore Oy kingdom bleeds." Systems. Networks. Security. -- George R.R. Martin: A Clash of Kings From bill at noreboots.com Mon Oct 13 20:21:23 2003 From: bill at noreboots.com (Bill Anderson) Date: 13 Oct 2003 14:21:23 -0600 Subject: Severn3 / Fedora Core2 ? In-Reply-To: <200310131123.24693.elwoo@videotron.ca> References: <200310131123.24693.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <1066076483.20593.52.camel@locutus> It is NOT Fedora Core2!! FC1 is not even out yet. -- Bill Anderson RHCE #807302597505773 bill at noreboots.com From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Mon Oct 13 20:33:23 2003 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: 13 Oct 2003 16:33:23 -0400 Subject: Bittorrent In-Reply-To: <3F8AE645.5050509@lopht.net> References: <1066065671.22794.0.camel@PURPLE.mbhome.cxm> <1066065799.28421.47.camel@opus> <3F8AE645.5050509@lopht.net> Message-ID: <1066077202.29864.3.camel@opus> On Mon, 2003-10-13 at 13:52, Justin Georgeson wrote: > seth vidal wrote: > > On Mon, 2003-10-13 at 13:21, Mark Guzzo wrote: > > > >>Anyone know of a Bittorrent link for Fedora Test 3? > >> > > > > > > FCT3 is NOT OUT YET. When it comes out there will be a torrent link for > > it on the announcement just like every other release. > > the torrent.dulug.duke.edu page is already updated, it's just a > countdown to the official release time at the moment. Isn't that usually > at 2 PM EST? usually? hah - I can't remember when 'usually' applied to a release of isos from red hat :) I update torrent.dulug.duke.edu - everyone knew fct3 was due out today - no point in hiding it - but no point in continuing to server fct2 isos either. -sv From peck6 at llnl.gov Mon Oct 13 22:22:59 2003 From: peck6 at llnl.gov (Thad Peck) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 15:22:59 -0700 Subject: test3 mediacheck still brain dead In-Reply-To: <200310131546.h9DFkEn28740@garfield.bwh.harvard.edu> References: <200310131546.h9DFkEn28740@garfield.bwh.harvard.edu> Message-ID: <3F8B25C3.3030508@llnl.gov> Andre, Are you by chance saving to SCSI disks? Try setting your SCSI channel speed down if so. tp Robatino wrote: > I just burned the test3 ISOs. (In case you're wondering how I got them > so fast, if you peruse Red Hat's list of mirrors, you can usually find one > or two that are prematurely open.) I couldn't find a GPG-signed MD5SUM > file, but all the unsigned ones I found agreed. After downloading the ISOs, > I checked the md5 sums, burned the CDs, and then checked the md5 sum on the > CD directly using the dd trick. Everything checked. Then when I brought > the disks home and did the mediacheck, the exact same thing happened as > with test2 - disks 1, 2, and 3 failed, passed, and failed, resp. This didn't > happen with test1, so something broke in test2 and hasn't been fixed. > I tried to make a tarball of my home directory to do a clean install, but > got an error at the end > > tar: Error exit delayed from previous errors > > which I never got before despite using the same procedure. Is this due to > files changing while the tarfile is being made, and is there anything > different now than at the end of test1 that might be causing this? I didn't > see any reported bugs for tar itself. > So I finally did an upgrade rather than a clean install. There were only > a handful of packages that needed upgrading, and it finished in a few > minutes. > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > -- Thad F. Peck Technical Associate Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory Conflict Simulation Laboratory 7000 East Ave. Building 132S, Room 2321 P.O. Box 808, MS: L-184 Livermore, CA 94551 Email: peck6 at llnl.gov Phone: 925-422-4673 FAX: 208-246-0653 ("\''/").___..--'''"-._ `0_ O ) `-. ( ).`-.__.`) (_Y_.)' ._ ) `._ `. ``-..-' _..`--'_..-_/ /--'_.' .' ((i).-'' ((i).' (((.-' From nosp at xades.com Mon Oct 13 23:02:47 2003 From: nosp at xades.com (nosp) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 00:02:47 +0100 Subject: gaim update In-Reply-To: <3F8AEB0F.7000704@redhat.com> References: <1065812112.3922.8.camel@stantz.corp.sgi.com> <1065813069.2564.26.camel@earth.xades.com> <3F8AEB0F.7000704@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1066086167.7289.173.camel@earth.xades.com> On Mon, 2003-10-13 at 19:12, Christopher Blizzard wrote: > It's been updated to 0.71. Thanks much for the quick turnaround. From andre at bwh.harvard.edu Mon Oct 13 23:30:57 2003 From: andre at bwh.harvard.edu (Andre Robatino) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 19:30:57 -0400 (EDT) Subject: test3 mediacheck still brain dead In-Reply-To: <3F8B25C3.3030508@llnl.gov> from "Thad Peck" at Oct 13, 2003 03:22:59 PM Message-ID: <200310132330.h9DNUv100090@garfield.bwh.harvard.edu> > Andre, > > Are you by chance saving to SCSI disks? Try setting your SCSI channel > speed down if so. > > tp No, just standard IDE. From andre at bwh.harvard.edu Mon Oct 13 23:35:13 2003 From: andre at bwh.harvard.edu (Andre Robatino) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 19:35:13 -0400 (EDT) Subject: test3 mediacheck still brain dead In-Reply-To: <20031013194913.GA9646@orient.maison> from "Emmanuel Seyman" at Oct 13, 2003 09:49:13 PM Message-ID: <200310132335.h9DNZDd00122@garfield.bwh.harvard.edu> > > On Mon, Oct 13, 2003 at 01:58:52PM -0400, Elton Woo wrote: > > > > Could you kindly post the md5sum? > > I have this: > > ab54b65ece278d62c7b2561b92cd41e9 severn-i386-disc1.iso > d413940309010b297e491c0d9760d34a severn-i386-disc2.iso > 50d2b160830bed01c84cea18d26b01fa severn-i386-disc3.iso > 803c744bc469f7c1709b24c6b0ecf423 severn-SRPMS-disc1.iso > c1700888455097e376edcbfe2c9435ea severn-SRPMS-disc2.iso > 08a0fe45eb8fe44d7c7ca94764b3b5b6 severn-SRPMS-disc3.iso > > Emmanuel Yes, this is the same as the MD5SUM file I downloaded last night. I just downloaded the one from Red Hat's site and it's identical. Unlike usual, it's not GPG signed though. Usually, there are a few sites posting non-signed MD5SUM files but Red Hat's was always signed. From paul at frields.com Mon Oct 13 23:46:04 2003 From: paul at frields.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 19:46:04 -0400 Subject: up2date problem? In-Reply-To: <20031013125041.B10614@redhat.com> References: <1065830188.5407.14.camel@bettie.internal.frields.org> <20031013125041.B10614@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1066088764.1276.1.camel@bettie.internal.frields.org> On Mon, 2003-10-13 at 12:50, Adrian Likins wrote: > On Fri, Oct 10, 2003 at 07:56:28PM -0400, Paul W. Frields wrote: > > Just upgraded to up2date-4.1.5-1 (about 30 sec ago)... progress dialog > > is frozen at the "Testing package set / solving RPM inter-dependencies" > > stage. There are a large number of entries in the main dialog for > > Canna-3.6-22, I can't tell how many due to the modality of the progress > > dialog. > > > > The /etc/sysconfig/rhn/sources file has commented out the default line > > for "up2date default", and instead only has a persistent directive for > > "yum rawhide http://ftp.redhat.com/pub/redhat/linux/rawhide/". > > > > Changing the directive back to the default and re-running up2date fixed > > the problem, apparently, since the update is now working correctly. > > > > I just added to bugzilla, in case anyone wants to comment: > > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=106825 > > New versions of up2date for fedora use a > yum repo for fedora as the default channel now. > And yes, it can be very slow on the first run > though while it downloads headers. I'll try > to make the dep solve progress stuff a bit > prettier for yum repos this week sometimes > if I get a chance. Great. I've since moved to the yum repo as the default; I just thought devel-people should be aware that the strange behavior is noteworthy. Thanks and keep up the good work. -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE From joden at malachi.lee.k12.nc.us Tue Oct 14 00:13:56 2003 From: joden at malachi.lee.k12.nc.us (James Olin Oden) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 20:13:56 -0400 (EDT) Subject: What is up2date repackaging? In-Reply-To: <3F8AFEE9.8010508@intel.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 13 Oct 2003, Taylor, ForrestX wrote: > I just noticed that /var in FC Beta2 was taking up an extraordinary > amount of space. I originally thought that it was /var/spool/up2date, > but I noticed that there was a /var/spool/repackage directory containing > over 1GB of rpm packages. I do recall seeing a 'Repackaging' screen in > up2date, but I wasn't sure what it was doing. Does anyone know what > up2date is doing? > RPM for a while has supported a rollback feature which allows you to rollback your system to a particular set of rpms that were installed on the system at the time you are rolling back to. To implement this whenever it upgrades a package, before the upgrade occurs it repackages the current package with the bits as they are on the system at the time. This repackaged packages goes into /var/spool/repackage by default. Having these repackaged packages makes it fairly easy (I have been over the code more times than I care to think, so it finally looks fairly easy (-;) to roll back your system to the state it used to be in. This is all of course a very high level look at this sparing many details. So now you know what those repackaged rpms are for. What I don't understand is why you are getting them, as to my knowledge (which is appearantly incomplete) this feature is not on by default. You can configure up2date to use it, and then of course it does the right thing. If you find the oldest repackaged package in /var/spool/repackage you can probably figure out when it was turned on on your system...but that still won't answer if that is the default now. > Also, I am getting the problem with up2date trying to update rpms that > are already installed. I can verify that these rpms have several > versions installed. I thought that this must be something to do with > the up2date rollbacks, because this started happening when I setup the > rollback option in up2date. Did anyone bugzilla this? > Ahha, if I read on I will see why your getting the repackaged packages (-;. Yep you turned it on so you are getting them. What do you mean updating rpms that are already installed? Are you getting multiple instances of the exact same rpm (same name, epoch, version, release, arch [NEVRA for short]) or do you get multiple instances of rpms with differing EVRA's, or what do you mean? cheers...james P.S. Forest, if you want to see the real bleeding edge of automated rollbacks (and want to test it [please (-:]) check out: http://lee.k12.nc.us/~joden/misc/patches/rpm Which has a patched version of rpm with my auto-rollback patch, which automatically rollback an rpm transaction if any rpm any the transaction fails to install. > Thanks, > > Forrest > From joden at malachi.lee.k12.nc.us Tue Oct 14 00:20:30 2003 From: joden at malachi.lee.k12.nc.us (James Olin Oden) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 20:20:30 -0400 (EDT) Subject: What is up2date repackaging? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 13 Oct 2003, Alexandre Oliva wrote: > On Oct 13, 2003, "Taylor, ForrestX" wrote: > > > Does anyone know what up2date is doing? > > It creates (somewhat-broken) RPMs out of the installed files and > database, such that you may be able to rollback the updates even if > you didn't keep the original RPMs. > There not really broken, there just not the same thing (-; Really, there perceived brokeness stems from the fact that they pick up the files of the rpm as they are on the system at that time. This is more a philisophical thing in that the idea is that when you rollback to this "repackaged" package you go back to exactly the way your system was at the time the of the upgrade, such that a rollback really does resemble the inverse function of an rpm upgrade/install/erase. The perceived brokeness, comes from the fact that the header in the repackaged package is exactly the same header that was...on your system at the time of the upgrade (a common theme) so you end up with possibly (nay likely) incorrect digests in the repackaged package, but when you rollback you get the exact same header that was...on your system at the time you did the upgrade. So its not a broken package, its not a regular rpm package at all, its a repackaged package (-; Cheers...james > From knxmay001 at mail.uct.ac.za Tue Oct 14 02:11:20 2003 From: knxmay001 at mail.uct.ac.za (Maynard Kuona) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 04:11:20 +0200 Subject: Update or new ISOs ? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1066097479.2025.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2003-10-13 at 18:08, Botoaca Andrei wrote: > If i keep updating from rawhide will it be any different as if I would > download the new ISOs and install them ? (I don't really want to waste other > 3 CDs for this ... ) > because I saw that after last weeks updates I already have 9.0.95 as PC name > (so I guess all updates I do lead exactly to the new ISOs), am I right !? > > Thanks > Me You do not have to use CD's. You can put the iso files in a folder you can access from the floppy boot disk. Create a boot floppy using rawrite from CD1. I think the proper image for the floppy is called bootdisk.img or something like that. Boot from the floppy and select Hard drive install from teh install options. In Fedora I am sure this now gives a graphical install. You do not have to extract the contents of the isos. Pretty nice feature of Redhats install. For more info refer to the redhat install guide. No need to waste CD's on Beta's. Just in case you didn't know. From cochranb at speakeasy.net Tue Oct 14 02:43:14 2003 From: cochranb at speakeasy.net (Robert L Cochran) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 22:43:14 -0400 Subject: Update or new ISOs ? In-Reply-To: <1066097479.2025.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1066097479.2025.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <3F8B62C2.60905@speakeasy.net> I prefer doing network installs because they are faster and I don't have to remember to put another CD in the drive. You can use bootnet.img or just burn CD #1, boot from that, and specify 'linux askmethod' at the boot: prompt. I want to try pxe-booting the Tom Diehl way...just as soon as this other machine of mine is ready... I burn CDs of the betas partly so that I have a rescue CD to use and partly so that I can show a really nice beta to friends and then press free CD sets on them. ("No time limitation, and the release version is free, too.") That has gotten one friend into Linux. Unfortunately, my main demo machine is my older Sony Vaio laptop, and the Fedora mouse driver has simply gone right down the sewer on that machine -- the mouse goes crazy with random movements -- and I'm afraid to show Fedora without a working mouse to my particular crowd. Bob Maynard Kuona wrote: > On Mon, 2003-10-13 at 18:08, Botoaca Andrei wrote: > >>If i keep updating from rawhide will it be any different as if I would >>download the new ISOs and install them ? (I don't really want to waste other >>3 CDs for this ... ) >>because I saw that after last weeks updates I already have 9.0.95 as PC name >>(so I guess all updates I do lead exactly to the new ISOs), am I right !? >> >>Thanks >>Me > > > You do not have to use CD's. You can put the iso files in a folder you > can access from the floppy boot disk. Create a boot floppy using rawrite > from CD1. I think the proper image for the floppy is called bootdisk.img > or something like that. Boot from the floppy and select Hard drive > install from teh install options. In Fedora I am sure this now gives a > graphical install. You do not have to extract the contents of the isos. > Pretty nice feature of Redhats install. For more info refer to the > redhat install guide. No need to waste CD's on Beta's. > > Just in case you didn't know. > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > -- Bob Cochran Greenbelt, Maryland, USA http://greenbeltcomputer.biz/ From mbarrientos at cfl.rr.com Tue Oct 14 02:50:13 2003 From: mbarrientos at cfl.rr.com (Mario) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 22:50:13 -0400 Subject: Fedora 0.95 (aka test3) and RHN Message-ID: <3F8B6465.2040004@cfl.rr.com> Somebody knows when RHN can be used to update and get new packages for Fedora 0.95? The channel doesn't exist yet. I don't think that I need to get the new ISOs and reinstall right? Any comment is welcome. Regards Mario From todd at netronin.com Tue Oct 14 02:53:55 2003 From: todd at netronin.com (Todd Booher) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 19:53:55 -0700 Subject: Same firstboot bug as test 2 Message-ID: <1066099442.3948.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Just installed test 3 and you still lose the cursor on the firstboot screen. The workaround is to change to terminal 1 and then back to terminal 7 and the mouse works again. This was a clean install of test 3 on an IBM T30 thinkpad. I'll update the bug in bugzilla. This is definitely a showstopper for new users as they will have no idea to switch terminals. Todd From rshaw5 at midsouth.rr.com Tue Oct 14 02:59:13 2003 From: rshaw5 at midsouth.rr.com (Richard Shaw) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 21:59:13 -0500 Subject: Pause at kernel boot In-Reply-To: <01L1S7THRI3M006BHA@rcum.uni-mb.si> References: <01L1S7THRI3M006BHA@rcum.uni-mb.si> Message-ID: <1066100353.9468.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> No, its only about 10 or 15 seconds, just enough to be annoying but not bad enough to be a show stopper. I guess I'll just wait for 0.95 since up2date stopped working with out some work-a-rounds. Another question, how does it label drives? Because I have a standard ATA-133 primary and secondary (a/b/c/d) and two SATA channels which are only one drive each, (e/f). Which the SATA drive is labeled correctly as "e". How does it get to "g"? Richard On Mon, 2003-10-13 at 07:36, DAVID BALAZIC wrote: > From: Richard Shaw > > >I just installed severn 2 on my ASUS A7N8X-Deluxe and I have a strange > >pause when booting. I'm using a 120GB SATA Maxtor drive with the Silicon > >Image SiI3112 onboard SATA. I've included the part of dmesg that applies > >along with where the pause is. > > Is the pause 30 seconds long ? > Then the kernel is just trying to detect hdg, and when there is no response, > it concludes that there is no drive attached. > > The pause could be shortened. > I have the same SiI 3112 SATA controller and noticed the same thing. > As I have no SATA drives, I have 2x30 seconds of pause, 30 seconds > for each channel. The driver author ( Andre Hedrcik, IIRC ) said > that he might shorten it down ,"when he has time" :-) > > > >Thanks, > > > >Richard > > > > > > > >Uniform Multi-Platform E-IDE driver Revision: 7.00beta4-2.4 > >ide: Assuming 33MHz system bus speed for PIO modes; override with > >idebus=xx > >NFORCE2: IDE controller at PCI slot 00:09.0 > >NFORCE2: chipset revision 162 > >NFORCE2: not 100% native mode: will probe irqs later > >AMD_IDE: nVidia Corporation nForce2 IDE (rev a2) UDMA100 controller on > >pci00:09.0 > > ide0: BM-DMA at 0xf000-0xf007, BIOS settings: hda:DMA, hdb:DMA > > ide1: BM-DMA at 0xf008-0xf00f, BIOS settings: hdc:DMA, hdd:DMA > >SiI3112 Serial ATA: IDE controller at PCI slot 01:0b.0 > >SiI3112 Serial ATA: chipset revision 2 > >SiI3112 Serial ATA: not 100% native mode: will probe irqs later > > ide2: MMIO-DMA , BIOS settings: hde:pio, hdf:pio > > ide3: MMIO-DMA , BIOS settings: hdg:pio, hdh:pio > >hdb: C/H/S=20510/81/100 from BIOS ignored > >hda: PLEXTOR CD-R PX-W2410A, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive > >hdb: IOMEGA ZIP 250 ATAPI, ATAPI FLOPPY drive > >hdb: set_drive_speed_status: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error > >} > >hdb: set_drive_speed_status: error=0x04 > >ide0: Drive 1 didn't accept speed setting. Oh, well. > >hdc: Pioneer DVD-ROM ATAPIModel DVD-115 0133, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive > >hde: Maxtor 6Y120M0, ATA DISK drive > >blk: queue c0407118, I/O limit 4095Mb (mask 0xffffffff) > >*** Pauses Here *** > >hdg: no response (status = 0xfe) > >ide0 at 0x1f0-0x1f7,0x3f6 on irq 14 > >ide1 at 0x170-0x177,0x376 on irq 15 > >ide2 at 0xe0815080-0xe0815087,0xe081508a on irq 11 > >hde: attached ide-disk driver. > >hde: host protected area => 1 > >hde: 240121728 sectors (122942 MB) w/7936KiB Cache, CHS=238216/16/63 > >hdb: attached ide-floppy driver. > >hdb: 98304kB, 196608 blocks, 512 sector size > >hdb: 98304kB, 96/64/32 CHS, 4096 kBps, 512 sector size, 2941 rpm > >Partition check: > > hdb: hdb4 > > hde: [PTBL] [14946/255/63] hde1 hde2 hde3 hde4 < hde5 hde6 > > >ide: late registration of driver. > > > > > > > >-- > >fedora-test-list mailing list > >fedora-test-list at redhat.com > >http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From knxmay001 at mail.uct.ac.za Tue Oct 14 03:02:15 2003 From: knxmay001 at mail.uct.ac.za (Maynard Kuona) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 05:02:15 +0200 Subject: Update or new ISOs ? In-Reply-To: <3F8B62C2.60905@speakeasy.net> References: <1066097479.2025.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <3F8B62C2.60905@speakeasy.net> Message-ID: <1066100534.3124.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2003-10-14 at 04:43, Robert L Cochran wrote: > I prefer doing network installs because they are faster and I don't have > to remember to put another CD in the drive. You can use bootnet.img or > just burn CD #1, boot from that, and specify 'linux askmethod' at the > boot: prompt. > > I want to try pxe-booting the Tom Diehl way...just as soon as this other > machine of mine is ready... > > I burn CDs of the betas partly so that I have a rescue CD to use and > partly so that I can show a really nice beta to friends and then press > free CD sets on them. ("No time limitation, and the release version is > free, too.") That has gotten one friend into Linux. > > Unfortunately, my main demo machine is my older Sony Vaio laptop, and > the Fedora mouse driver has simply gone right down the sewer on that > machine -- the mouse goes crazy with random movements -- and I'm afraid > to show Fedora without a working mouse to my particular crowd. > > Bob I saw the original poster did not seem to like to burn new cds so I suggested a good alternative to use in that case. If he already has the isos on the machine, i think it is a good method to use. about the mouse, i think you have to try run redhat-config-mouse if you can, or edit XF86config directly if you can. I haven't needed to do the latter so I don't eactly kow how that works - started Linux a little too late to have to configure my mouse. From rshaw5 at midsouth.rr.com Tue Oct 14 03:06:33 2003 From: rshaw5 at midsouth.rr.com (Richard Shaw) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 22:06:33 -0500 Subject: Pause at kernel boot In-Reply-To: <200310131647.h9DGlUA09291@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <200310131647.h9DGlUA09291@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1066100793.9468.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> Now the question is, if I can figure out what it SHOULD be, what file to I have to edit to have the proper settings? Would it be in the etc/sysconfig/harddisks file? Richard On Mon, 2003-10-13 at 11:47, Alan Cox wrote: > > NFORCE2: not 100% native mode: will probe irqs later > > > > Off Topic:- I have never seen a message that says "100% Native mode", > > what does this message mean and what is the point? > > IDE devices have two standard modes (and sometimes a few weird ones of their > own). Knowing which mode the controller is in is critical to debugging > hangs > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From notting at redhat.com Tue Oct 14 04:15:28 2003 From: notting at redhat.com (Bill Nottingham) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 00:15:28 -0400 Subject: Fedora 0.95 (aka test3) and RHN In-Reply-To: <3F8B6465.2040004@cfl.rr.com>; from mbarrientos@cfl.rr.com on Mon, Oct 13, 2003 at 10:50:13PM -0400 References: <3F8B6465.2040004@cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: <20031014001528.C30496@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Mario (mbarrientos at cfl.rr.com) said: > Somebody knows when RHN can be used to update and get new packages for > Fedora 0.95? You can use up2date to update via the rawhide repository. Bill From smearp at mac.com Tue Oct 14 04:49:13 2003 From: smearp at mac.com (Sean Earp) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 21:49:13 -0700 Subject: RFE: Choose additional/new packages during upgrade In-Reply-To: <200310131123.24693.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: Hello all- Before I file an RFE on bugzilla, I am interested in finding out if anyone else is interested in the following feature (or if it is just me). When upgrading an installation of Fedora (ie from RH 9), you do not have the option of selecting any additional packages. Anaconda just upgrades the packages that you already have installed. Wouldn't it make sense to have the option of choosing additional/new packages during the upgrade process? -Sean From thacker at math.cornell.edu Tue Oct 14 05:03:53 2003 From: thacker at math.cornell.edu (John Alexander Thacker) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 01:03:53 -0400 Subject: RFE: Choose additional/new packages during upgrade In-Reply-To: References: <200310131123.24693.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <20031014050353.GA2517@thacker.dyndns.org> On Mon, Oct 13, 2003 at 09:49:13PM -0700, Sean Earp wrote: > When upgrading an installation of Fedora (ie from RH 9), you do not > have the option of selecting any additional packages. Anaconda just > upgrades the packages that you already have installed. Wouldn't it > make sense to have the option of choosing additional/new packages > during the upgrade process? I think that it would make sense to at least give the option of adding packages which are present in the new version but which weren't in the version you're upgrading from. Or, if that's too difficult, at least the ones which are new to the new version. Similarly it would perhaps make sense to offer to remove deleted packages, especially in the case of things like pine, which breaks anyway on upgrade. John Thacker From jspaleta at princeton.edu Tue Oct 14 05:05:30 2003 From: jspaleta at princeton.edu (Jef Spaleta) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 01:05:30 -0400 Subject: RFE: Choose additional/new packages during upgrade Message-ID: <1066107930.20073.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> Sean Earp wrote: > When upgrading an installation of Fedora (ie from RH 9), you do not > have the option of selecting any additional packages. Anaconda just > upgrades the packages that you already have installed. Wouldn't it > make sense to have the option of choosing additional/new packages > during the upgrade process? No...absolutely not. What makes sense...is taking as much of the package selections as possible OUT of anaconda and streamling what anaconda does as much as possible. It makes more since to push as much package selection into the a workable "second stage" segment of an install or upgrade..after you reboot back into you actually system environment...so you have access to the full hardware again..and the full system memory..instead of being limited to what anaconda can do inside a ramdisk. Package selection in anaconda is duplicating the function of things like r-c-packages, that become available once you are rebooting into your functional system. Instead of pushing more package selection into anaconda itself, maybe there is room to run firstboot again after an upgrade as a means to get to more configuration including adding additional packages. -jef"the goal should be to minimize the length of time one spends booted into the install cd's ramdisk, so you can get to the real system environment as quickly as possible"spaleta -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks, -Len From len.brown at intel.com Tue Oct 14 06:25:07 2003 From: len.brown at intel.com (Brown, Len) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 02:25:07 -0400 Subject: Fedora test3: NFS ISO install broken? Message-ID: Never mind. "chmod 644 *.iso" on the server did the trick -- install completed. Thanks, -Len > -----Original Message----- > From: fedora-test-list-admin at redhat.com > [mailto:fedora-test-list-admin at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Brown, Len > Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 1:11 AM > To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com > Subject: Fedora test3: NFS ISO install broken? > > > In the past I've been able to use an NFS install where the > server simply > exported a directory containing the ISO images. I'd cut a CD of > disc1:/images/boot.iso, boot it with "linux > ks=nfs:myserver-ip:/kickstart/ks.cfg" and off we go. I > really liked the > VNC-based install capability in test2 and added that to my ks.cfg. > > But test3 doesn't seem to like NFS ISO installs -- complaining "That > directory does not seem to contain a Fedora Core installation tree". > Same w/ kickstart or manual install. > > Do I have to unroll the ISOs into a tree like in the old days? > Is this working for anybody else? > > Thanks, > -Len > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > From mharris at redhat.com Tue Oct 14 07:28:01 2003 From: mharris at redhat.com (Mike A. Harris) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 03:28:01 -0400 (EDT) Subject: XFree86 available via yum In-Reply-To: <200310110828.47765.hosting@j2solutions.net> References: <200310110828.47765.hosting@j2solutions.net> Message-ID: On Sat, 11 Oct 2003, Jesse Keating wrote: >Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 08:28:47 -0700 >From: Jesse Keating >To: rhl-beta-list at redhat.com >Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" >List-Id: For testers of Red Hat Linux beta releases > >Subject: Re: XFree86 available via yum > >On Saturday 11 October 2003 04:52, Mike A. Harris uttered: >> Please test the repository out, and feel free to provide feedback >> both good and/or bad about it. >> >> ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris/testing/unstable > >Seems to work fine on my Severn install. Voodoo3 3000 video card. DRI works >at "Thousands of Colors" 1024x768. Tuxracer works w/out crashing. xrandr >works. Is there anything specifically you'd like me to test? Nope, just wanted people to test the yum stuff, rather than X itself. ;o) -- Mike A. Harris ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris OS Systems Engineer - XFree86 maintainer - Red Hat From mharris at redhat.com Tue Oct 14 07:30:24 2003 From: mharris at redhat.com (Mike A. Harris) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 03:30:24 -0400 (EDT) Subject: XFree86 available via yum In-Reply-To: <3F89D427.7090702@wanadoo.es> References: <200310121635.45173.elwoo@videotron.ca> <3F89D427.7090702@wanadoo.es> Message-ID: On Mon, 13 Oct 2003, Xose Vazquez Perez wrote: >>>> ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris/testing/unstable >>>> >>>>XFree86-4.3.0-39 is there right now for x86, ppc, x86_64, and ia64 >>> >>>Downloaded via http using mozilla, and installed. >> >> >> Interesting, because it isn't available for download via http. >> ;o) > >One thing that I never understood is the difference between >ftp://people.redhat.com and http://people.redhat.com The ftp:// URL uses the FTP protocol, and the http:// URL uses the HTTP protocol. Additionally, the user roots of both of these are in separate locations, so a file appearing at an ftp:// URL will not be at an http:// URL because they are different protocols with different storage locations on the hard disk arrays. Some developers may or may not hardlink the files to make them available in both locations. Personally, I favour ftp, as it works with commandline ncftp, etc. and I dislike using text web browsers in place of commandline ftp clients... ;o) -- Mike A. Harris ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris OS Systems Engineer - XFree86 maintainer - Red Hat From louisg00 at bellsouth.net Tue Oct 14 07:55:43 2003 From: louisg00 at bellsouth.net (Louis Garcia) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 03:55:43 -0400 Subject: Allowing a user administrative tasks without roots password Message-ID: <1066118142.5190.16.camel@tiger> I was wondering if it was possible to create a root like account but having it locked. This way you can control who has access to what without having to give up roots password. Lets say you allow users to change the clock. They call up the Date & Time capplet but instead of giving roots password they give this new account password. So now a user can modify the time but not be able to log in as root and do horrible thinks. Is this doable, or is more complicated? Maybe ACL would be better for this. --Lou From rainer.traut at epost.de Tue Oct 14 08:03:35 2003 From: rainer.traut at epost.de (Rainer Traut) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 10:03:35 +0200 Subject: 4 Problems so far with severn3 Message-ID: <3F8BADD7.6090108@epost.de> Hi, I have just installed severn3 and found some problems: It's an dell optiplex 260 with an i845g/gl chipset, onboard grafics is disabled by plugging in an old 3dlabs permedia2 agp card. 1) anaconda only seems to recognise the intel graphics, which leads to a text only install 2) after reboot screen goes blank very often while booting kernel (think it tries to start X but fails as wrong card is configured (i845)grafics mode kernel boot?!) 3) after text login I can configure the 3dlabs card but I can only go to maximum of 800*600 though it is capable of 1024*768 (rhl9 was ok) 4) this machine is not capable of hyperthreading nor smp but it starts irqbalanced in runlevel 345 should I file a bug report? Thank you rainer From redhat at olen.net Tue Oct 14 08:02:47 2003 From: redhat at olen.net (Ola Thoresen) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 10:02:47 +0200 Subject: Wlan problem and enterprise neads Message-ID: <20031014080247.GB26775@powertech.no> On Mon, Oct 13, 2003 at 06:31:53AM -0700, Joshua Legbandt wrote: > On Mon, 2003-10-13 at 06:08, Hemgren, Christer wrote: > > Hello > > > > I 'm using the latest "Severn Beta 2 (i386)" updated 12 Oct on a Compaq > > laptop and are > > very pleased with it, but i have problem with the PCMCIA wlan cards. > > > > It's got broken after a up2date. I can use the Cisco aironet 350 as i hade > > one the install moment but when i shift to "PRISMA2" chipset card Netgear > > MA401, it don't work. Kudzu finds it. > > > > The "Netgear MA401" worke to associate with the CISCO AP1200 before it got > > broken using > > > > iwconfig eth2 essid "secret" > > > > But the Cisco aironet 350 card don't associate if it is not a broadcasted > > ssid (by a sheep 3Com AP at home)!!!! > > > > I have try Arjan's "2.6 test7.1.52.rpm" kernel and in that no wlan card or > > USB mouse works. > > Using Arjan's 2.6-test7.1.51 and 2.6-test7.1.52 kernels, I have been > unable to get my wireless to work as well, using the kernels out of > rawhide/fedora-updates wlan works just fine. I only recently started > using the 2.6 kernels since test7 when they started working with my > touchpad and my usb mouse, so I don't know if wlan worked in previous > releases. The problem I'm seeing, is that even though it looks like my > pcmcia card is recognized, the ethernet the alias between the card and > eth1 (on my system) is not created. I'm willing to provide whatever logs > or other debugging info might be helpful towards resolving this > (however, I haven't had the time to dig into it myself yet)... > I see the same thing. I believe it has something to do with some combination of "initscripts" and 2.6-kernel. It worked just fine until 2.6-test6-something, (don't remember exactly which one). The reason I believe it is the initscripts is that that package was updated at the same time as the kernel, and after a reboot I could not use the wireless-card. It did not work even if I rebooted to a (2.6) kernel that used to work before the "apt-get upgrade" that broke something. IE. I used to run 2.6-test6-x just fine Then I upgraded to 2.6-test6-y, and initscripts at the same time. After a reboot, my wireless-card stopped working. After a reboot back to -x it still did not work. All the latest 2.4-kernels work just fine though. The most imprtant thing I see, is that "yenta_socket" is not loaded when pcmcia is started, which gives me a "no sockets found"-error. But even if I rmmod all modules (orinoco_cs, orinoco, ds, hermes, and pcmcia_core), and the modprobe yenta_socket before restarting pcmcia, it won't work. The error I get is something like "Can't bind orinoco_cs to slot 0: no such device" (sorry, I don't have my laptop here). Btw. This is an old ZyAir100 802.11b card in a "no name" laptop. I should ofcourse have reported this as soon as I discovered the bug, so I had all the right version-numbers, but I was to buzzy, and thought it would be fixed soon anyway... -- _,--', _._.--._____ .--.--';_'-.', ";_ _.,-' Ola Thoresen .'--'. _.' {`'-;_ .-.>.' '-:_ ) / `' '=. It is easier to fix Unix ) > {_/, /~) than to live with Windows |/ `^ .' -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Backward compatibility and stuff... > >Richard > >On Mon, 2003-10-13 at 07:36, DAVID BALAZIC wrote: >> From: Richard Shaw >> >> >I just installed severn 2 on my ASUS A7N8X-Deluxe and I have a strange >> >pause when booting. I'm using a 120GB SATA Maxtor drive with the Silicon >> >Image SiI3112 onboard SATA. I've included the part of dmesg that applies >> >along with where the pause is. >> >> Is the pause 30 seconds long ? >> Then the kernel is just trying to detect hdg, and when there is no response, >> it concludes that there is no drive attached. >> >> The pause could be shortened. >> I have the same SiI 3112 SATA controller and noticed the same thing. >> As I have no SATA drives, I have 2x30 seconds of pause, 30 seconds >> for each channel. The driver author ( Andre Hedrcik, IIRC ) said >> that he might shorten it down ,"when he has time" :-) >> >> >> >Thanks, >> > >> >Richard >> > >> > >> > >> >Uniform Multi-Platform E-IDE driver Revision: 7.00beta4-2.4 >> >ide: Assuming 33MHz system bus speed for PIO modes; override with >> >idebus=xx >> >NFORCE2: IDE controller at PCI slot 00:09.0 >> >NFORCE2: chipset revision 162 >> >NFORCE2: not 100% native mode: will probe irqs later >> >AMD_IDE: nVidia Corporation nForce2 IDE (rev a2) UDMA100 controller on >> >pci00:09.0 >> > ide0: BM-DMA at 0xf000-0xf007, BIOS settings: hda:DMA, hdb:DMA >> > ide1: BM-DMA at 0xf008-0xf00f, BIOS settings: hdc:DMA, hdd:DMA >> >SiI3112 Serial ATA: IDE controller at PCI slot 01:0b.0 >> >SiI3112 Serial ATA: chipset revision 2 >> >SiI3112 Serial ATA: not 100% native mode: will probe irqs later >> > ide2: MMIO-DMA , BIOS settings: hde:pio, hdf:pio >> > ide3: MMIO-DMA , BIOS settings: hdg:pio, hdh:pio >> >hdb: C/H/S=20510/81/100 from BIOS ignored >> >hda: PLEXTOR CD-R PX-W2410A, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive >> >hdb: IOMEGA ZIP 250 ATAPI, ATAPI FLOPPY drive >> >hdb: set_drive_speed_status: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error >> >} >> >hdb: set_drive_speed_status: error=0x04 >> >ide0: Drive 1 didn't accept speed setting. Oh, well. >> >hdc: Pioneer DVD-ROM ATAPIModel DVD-115 0133, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive >> >hde: Maxtor 6Y120M0, ATA DISK drive >> >blk: queue c0407118, I/O limit 4095Mb (mask 0xffffffff) >> >*** Pauses Here *** >> >hdg: no response (status = 0xfe) >> >ide0 at 0x1f0-0x1f7,0x3f6 on irq 14 >> >ide1 at 0x170-0x177,0x376 on irq 15 >> >ide2 at 0xe0815080-0xe0815087,0xe081508a on irq 11 >> >hde: attached ide-disk driver. >> >hde: host protected area => 1 >> >hde: 240121728 sectors (122942 MB) w/7936KiB Cache, CHS=238216/16/63 >> >hdb: attached ide-floppy driver. >> >hdb: 98304kB, 196608 blocks, 512 sector size >> >hdb: 98304kB, 96/64/32 CHS, 4096 kBps, 512 sector size, 2941 rpm >> >Partition check: >> > hdb: hdb4 >> > hde: [PTBL] [14946/255/63] hde1 hde2 hde3 hde4 < hde5 hde6 > >> >ide: late registration of driver. >> > >> > >> > >> >-- >> >fedora-test-list mailing list >> >fedora-test-list at redhat.com >> >http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > >-- >fedora-test-list mailing list >fedora-test-list at redhat.com >http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list -- David Balazic E-mail : david.balazic at uni-mb.si | living in sLOVEnija home page: http://surf.to/stein -- From seanc at tech-access.com Tue Oct 14 08:29:42 2003 From: seanc at tech-access.com (Sean Craig) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 12:29:42 +0400 Subject: Allowing a user administrative tasks without roots password In-Reply-To: <1066118142.5190.16.camel@tiger> References: <1066118142.5190.16.camel@tiger> Message-ID: <3F8BB3F6.9070703@tech-access.com> take a look at 'sudo'. This is probably what you need. regards Sean Craig Louis Garcia wrote: >I was wondering if it was possible to create a root like account but >having it locked. This way you can control who has access to what >without having to give up roots password. > >Lets say you allow users to change the clock. They call up the Date & >Time capplet but instead of giving roots password they give this new >account password. So now a user can modify the time but not be able to >log in as root and do horrible thinks. > >Is this doable, or is more complicated? Maybe ACL would be better for >this. > > >--Lou > > >-- >fedora-test-list mailing list >fedora-test-list at redhat.com >http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > From goeran at uddeborg.se Tue Oct 14 08:24:03 2003 From: goeran at uddeborg.se (=?iso-8859-1?q?G=F6ran_Uddeborg?=) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 10:24:03 +0200 Subject: Allowing a user administrative tasks without roots password In-Reply-To: <1066118142.5190.16.camel@tiger> References: <1066118142.5190.16.camel@tiger> Message-ID: <16267.45731.223737.357995@uebn.uddeborg.se> Louis Garcia writes: > I was wondering if it was possible to create a root like account but > having it locked. Maybe the sudo package is close enough for what you want? From mharris at redhat.com Tue Oct 14 09:21:28 2003 From: mharris at redhat.com (Mike A. Harris) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 05:21:28 -0400 (EDT) Subject: 4 Problems so far with severn3 In-Reply-To: <3F8BADD7.6090108@epost.de> References: <3F8BADD7.6090108@epost.de> Message-ID: On Tue, 14 Oct 2003, Rainer Traut wrote: >I have just installed severn3 and found some problems: > >It's an dell optiplex 260 with an i845g/gl chipset, >onboard grafics is disabled by plugging in an old 3dlabs permedia2 agp card. > >1) anaconda only seems to recognise the intel graphics, which leads to a >text only install >2) after reboot screen goes blank very often while booting kernel (think >it tries to start X but fails as wrong card is configured (i845)grafics >mode kernel boot?!) >3) after text login I can configure the 3dlabs card but I can only go to >maximum of 800*600 though it is capable of 1024*768 (rhl9 was ok) >4) this machine is not capable of hyperthreading nor smp but it starts >irqbalanced in runlevel 345 > >should I file a bug report? Only if you'd like these issues fixed. ;o) "If it's not in bugzilla, it's not a bug.(TM)" One bug per report please, filed against the correct component for each. For any/all XFree86 related bug reports always attach individual uncompressed file attachments to the bug report of your X config file and X server log file, using bugzilla's file attachment feature (not cut and paste). TTYL -- Mike A. Harris ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris OS Systems Engineer - XFree86 maintainer - Red Hat From j.sanchezf at terra.es Tue Oct 14 09:26:51 2003 From: j.sanchezf at terra.es (Julio Sanchez) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 11:26:51 +0200 Subject: What is up2date repackaging? References: Message-ID: On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 20:20:30 -0400, James Olin Oden wrote: > There not really broken, there just not the same thing (-; > Really, there perceived brokeness stems from the fact that > they pick up the files of the rpm as they are on the system > at that time. Do I see a security problem? The few I have seen seem to be world-readable. Might some sensitive files end there? Or is it just by accident that mine ended up as world-readable? Julio From czar at czarc.net Tue Oct 14 09:32:39 2003 From: czar at czarc.net (Gene C.) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 05:32:39 -0400 Subject: what am I missing here In-Reply-To: References: <200310131503.57361.czar@czarc.net> Message-ID: <200310140532.39688.czar@czarc.net> On Monday 13 October 2003 16:22, Edward C. Bailey wrote: > >>>>> "Gene" == Gene C writes: > > Gene> I started download test 3. So far I have disc1. When I looked at > Gene> disc1, I did not see the usual files such as README, RELEASE-NOTES, > Gene> RPM-GPG-KEY, etc. > > It's a known issue, unfortunately discovered early this morning (after the > mirrors had already started doing their thing). These files will return in > subsequent releases... Then maybe the RELEASE-NOTES could be posted to the fedora web site. -- Gene From zboszor at freemail.hu Tue Oct 14 09:46:49 2003 From: zboszor at freemail.hu (Boszormenyi Zoltan) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 11:46:49 +0200 Subject: Allowing a user administrative tasks without roots password In-Reply-To: <3F8BB3F6.9070703@tech-access.com> References: <1066118142.5190.16.camel@tiger> <3F8BB3F6.9070703@tech-access.com> Message-ID: <3F8BC609.9000905@freemail.hu> Hi, I have put auth sufficient pam_localuser.so into /etc/pam.d/printconf-gui, so it looks now: # cat printconf-gui #%PAM-1.0 auth sufficient pam_rootok.so auth sufficient pam_timestamp.so auth sufficient pam_localuser.so auth required pam_stack.so service=system-auth session required pam_permit.so session optional pam_xauth.so session optional pam_timestamp.so account required pam_permit.so Now starting 'Printing' from the System Settings menu does not asks the root password. However, starting the Print Manager from the panel and editing settings of a printer still asks. To avoid this the same modification is needed in /etc/pam.d/redhat-config-printer-gui. Why is there two pam config file for these? They start the same task... But there is a bad security side-effect of this. The user gains superuser privileges and all tools from the System Settings menu can be started. It shouldn't happen. What I would like is to allow *some* sysadmin tasks for certain/all users but disallow everything else. auth sufficient pam_localuser.so # all local user or auth sufficient pam_succeed_if.so USER ingroup printersettings # certain users are in printersettings group What I would like to achieve is to /usr/bin/pam-panel-icon not appear on the panel for those services that automagically succeeded. It should still show up when a task asked for a root password and correctly got it. Sean Craig ?rta: > take a look at 'sudo'. This is probably what you need. > regards > > Sean Craig > > > Louis Garcia wrote: > >> I was wondering if it was possible to create a root like account but >> having it locked. This way you can control who has access to what >> without having to give up roots password. >> >> Lets say you allow users to change the clock. They call up the Date & >> Time capplet but instead of giving roots password they give this new >> account password. So now a user can modify the time but not be able to >> log in as root and do horrible thinks. >> >> Is this doable, or is more complicated? Maybe ACL would be better for >> this. >> >> >> --Lou >> -- Best regards, Zolt?n B?sz?rm?nyi --------------------- What did Hussein say about his knife? One in Bush worth two in the hand. From juran at carmen.se Tue Oct 14 09:48:09 2003 From: juran at carmen.se (David Juran) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 11:48:09 +0200 Subject: what am I missing here In-Reply-To: References: <200310131503.57361.czar@czarc.net> Message-ID: <3F8BC659.6040707@carmen.se> Edward C. Bailey wrote: >>>>>>"Gene" == Gene C writes: > > > Gene> I started download test 3. So far I have disc1. When I looked at > Gene> disc1, I did not see the usual files such as README, RELEASE-NOTES, > Gene> RPM-GPG-KEY, etc. > > It's a known issue, unfortunately discovered early this morning (after the > mirrors had already started doing their thing). These files will return in > subsequent releases... > On a related case... Why isn't http://ftp.redhat.com/pub/redhat/linux/beta/severn/en/iso/i386/MD5SUM signed as it usually is? -- David Juran System administrator E-mail: david at carmen.se Phone: +46-31-7226259 +46-7390-18259 Carmen Systems AB Odinsgatan 9 SE-411 03 Goteborg, Sweden From rainer.traut at epost.de Tue Oct 14 10:02:39 2003 From: rainer.traut at epost.de (Rainer Traut) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 12:02:39 +0200 Subject: 4 Problems so far with severn3 In-Reply-To: References: <3F8BADD7.6090108@epost.de> Message-ID: <3F8BC9BF.4000802@epost.de> k, i will do the best I can ;) Mike A. Harris wrote: > On Tue, 14 Oct 2003, Rainer Traut wrote: > > >>I have just installed severn3 and found some problems: >> >>It's an dell optiplex 260 with an i845g/gl chipset, >>onboard grafics is disabled by plugging in an old 3dlabs permedia2 agp card. >> >>1) anaconda only seems to recognise the intel graphics, which leads to a >>text only install >>2) after reboot screen goes blank very often while booting kernel (think >>it tries to start X but fails as wrong card is configured (i845)grafics >>mode kernel boot?!) >>3) after text login I can configure the 3dlabs card but I can only go to >>maximum of 800*600 though it is capable of 1024*768 (rhl9 was ok) >>4) this machine is not capable of hyperthreading nor smp but it starts >>irqbalanced in runlevel 345 >> >>should I file a bug report? > > > Only if you'd like these issues fixed. ;o) > > "If it's not in bugzilla, it's not a bug.(TM)" > > One bug per report please, filed against the correct component > for each. For any/all XFree86 related bug reports always attach > individual uncompressed file attachments to the bug report of > your X config file and X server log file, using bugzilla's file > attachment feature (not cut and paste). > > TTYL > From joden at malachi.lee.k12.nc.us Tue Oct 14 11:04:23 2003 From: joden at malachi.lee.k12.nc.us (James Olin Oden) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 07:04:23 -0400 (EDT) Subject: What is up2date repackaging? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 14 Oct 2003, Julio Sanchez wrote: > On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 20:20:30 -0400, James Olin Oden wrote: > > > There not really broken, there just not the same thing (-; > > Really, there perceived brokeness stems from the fact that > > they pick up the files of the rpm as they are on the system > > at that time. > > Do I see a security problem? The few I have seen seem to be > world-readable. Might some sensitive files end there? > Had not thought of that. Its easy enough to tighten the perms on the directory that the repackaged packages go into, but then one can still get to the files (and the names are pretty regular, so...). If Jeff Johnson did not see this message I will make sure he does so we can get his thoughts on this. It should be pretty easy to fix, just want to make sure the implications are understood. Cheers...james > Or is it just by accident that mine ended up as world-readable? > > Julio > > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > From czar at czarc.net Tue Oct 14 11:22:09 2003 From: czar at czarc.net (Gene C.) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 07:22:09 -0400 Subject: Same firstboot bug as test 2 In-Reply-To: <1066099442.3948.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1066099442.3948.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <200310140722.09928.czar@czarc.net> On Monday 13 October 2003 22:53, Todd Booher wrote: > Just installed test 3 and you still lose the cursor on the firstboot > screen. The workaround is to change to terminal 1 and then back to > terminal 7 and the mouse works again. > > This was a clean install of test 3 on an IBM T30 thinkpad. On the other hand, I did NOT see the problem with test 3 (I did see it on test 2). This was a fresh install of test 3 as a vmware guest. -- Gene From erik.orebro at telia.com Tue Oct 14 11:22:17 2003 From: erik.orebro at telia.com (Erik Englund) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 13:22:17 +0200 Subject: Update or new ISOs ? In-Reply-To: <1066097479.2025.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1066097479.2025.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1066130536.4011.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> but can you upgrade through up2date? i don't have too much time right now and i would appreciate if it was no problem with upgrading trough up2date :) Erik On Tue, 2003-10-14 at 04:11, Maynard Kuona wrote: > On Mon, 2003-10-13 at 18:08, Botoaca Andrei wrote: > > If i keep updating from rawhide will it be any different as if I would > > download the new ISOs and install them ? (I don't really want to waste other > > 3 CDs for this ... ) > > because I saw that after last weeks updates I already have 9.0.95 as PC name > > (so I guess all updates I do lead exactly to the new ISOs), am I right !? > > > > Thanks > > Me > > You do not have to use CD's. You can put the iso files in a folder you > can access from the floppy boot disk. Create a boot floppy using rawrite > from CD1. I think the proper image for the floppy is called bootdisk.img > or something like that. Boot from the floppy and select Hard drive > install from teh install options. In Fedora I am sure this now gives a > graphical install. You do not have to extract the contents of the isos. > Pretty nice feature of Redhats install. For more info refer to the > redhat install guide. No need to waste CD's on Beta's. > > Just in case you didn't know. > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From eckenrode.8 at osu.edu Tue Oct 14 11:27:07 2003 From: eckenrode.8 at osu.edu (Randy Eckenrode) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 07:27:07 -0400 Subject: Evolution Hangs Message-ID: <1066130827.14158.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> Has anyone else been having problems with Evolution hanging after it has been open for a while? Typically I keep it minimized but bring it to the front to check my email or schedule. Sometimes, when I do this the Evolution is all gray, which causes me to have to open a terminal and kill the Evolution processes. Is it worth filing a bug report even though I have no idea how to reliably reproduce this other than to leave Evolution open for a while (i.e., more than several hours)? --Randy Eckenrode From ed at redhat.com Tue Oct 14 11:57:52 2003 From: ed at redhat.com (Edward C. Bailey) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 07:57:52 -0400 Subject: what am I missing here In-Reply-To: <200310140532.39688.czar@czarc.net> (Gene C.'s message of "Tue, 14 Oct 2003 05:32:39 -0400") References: <200310131503.57361.czar@czarc.net> <200310140532.39688.czar@czarc.net> Message-ID: >>>>> "Gene" == Gene C writes: Gene> On Monday 13 October 2003 16:22, Edward C. Bailey wrote: >> >>>>> "Gene" == Gene C writes: >> Gene> I started download test 3. So far I have disc1. When I looked at Gene> disc1, I did not see the usual files such as README, RELEASE-NOTES, Gene> RPM-GPG-KEY, etc. >> It's a known issue, unfortunately discovered early this morning (after >> the mirrors had already started doing their thing). These files will >> return in subsequent releases... Gene> Then maybe the RELEASE-NOTES could be posted to the fedora web site. Just checked; it's there now... Ed -- Ed Bailey Red Hat, Inc. http://www.redhat.com/ From memphis_ownz at hotmail.com Tue Oct 14 12:27:39 2003 From: memphis_ownz at hotmail.com (Tim Whitbeck) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 08:27:39 -0400 Subject: Anaconda bug on Fedora .95?? Message-ID: <1066134458.4719.2.camel@Memphis> I just got the isos for Test release 3 last night from http://torrent.dulug.duke.edu/ and I'm having problems with Anaconda. I have all packages available on rawhide channel up2date and when anaconda says "searching for packages to upgrade" it gets a big error and bombs out. Anyone else get this? If not I'll save the bug output to a floppy and put it on bugzilla. I thought this was a bug in Anaconda for release 2? From pmatilai at welho.com Tue Oct 14 12:36:00 2003 From: pmatilai at welho.com (Panu Matilainen) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 15:36:00 +0300 Subject: Allowing a user administrative tasks without roots password In-Reply-To: <3F8BC609.9000905@freemail.hu> References: <1066118142.5190.16.camel@tiger> <3F8BB3F6.9070703@tech-access.com> <3F8BC609.9000905@freemail.hu> Message-ID: <1066134960.3f8bedb0d8805@webmail.welho.com> Quoting Boszormenyi Zoltan : > > auth sufficient pam_localuser.so # all local user > > or > > auth sufficient pam_succeed_if.so USER ingroup printersettings > # certain users are in printersettings group There once was even a GUI tool to do this included in some beta-release of RHL, somewhere in 7.x days. Sadly it never made it to the final releases and hasn't been resurrected in any form either (it was a QT app so I guess it didn't fit in with the other RH config tools and was somewhat rough around the edges...) -- - Panu - From czar at czarc.net Tue Oct 14 12:56:16 2003 From: czar at czarc.net (Gene C.) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 08:56:16 -0400 Subject: test 3 installation comments/questions Message-ID: <200310140856.16437.czar@czarc.net> I have done/am doing a couple of nfs installs (one using the iso images and one with the tree). Both seem to be going well and worked as expected. Some comments/questions concerning the Installing packages panel (I am not sure of the intent so I am not sure that any bugs exist). 1. The "Remaining time" does not change very frequently (15->8->6->4->2) and thus gives little feedback comfort. 2. If Remaining time is displayed, then Elapsed time should also be displayed. 3. Interesting that for an nfs install of a vmware guest, the remaining time proved to be fairly accurate (15 minute estimate and it took about 15 - 20 minutes). This is a significant change. 4. The is no package count display (total, installed, remaining). I believe that this would be more useful than the remaining time estimate. 5. Doing an nfs everything install across a 100M LAN, there was no initial "Remaining time" ... then one appeared: 20 minutes ... ten minutes pass, it is still 30 minutes with the progress bar indicated half done ... 3 minutes pass and it not reads 25 minutes with the progress bar about 55% complete. I understand that some feedback is very desireable so that the user knows that the install hasn't gone off in the weeds but the current display could be better ... I believe that package counts would be better. On the other hand, this is not really a big deal and I can certainly live with the existing design. -- Gene From mmuller at lbcons.net Tue Oct 14 13:01:36 2003 From: mmuller at lbcons.net (=?iso-8859-2?Q?M=FCller_Mikl=F3s?=) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 15:01:36 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Experiences with severn test3 Message-ID: <63463.193.110.58.52.1066136496.squirrel@rabin.hdsnet.hu> Today I installed severn test3 from scratch on my HP Omnibook 500 laptop from scratch. Since i dont use my docking station, i don't have a floppy or CD drive in my laptop, therefore i used the images found in images/pxeboot to create a new grub entry for severn installation. Then i rebooted my laptop and started the installation over http from another host in our LAN. 0. I installed with the "Workstation" option, erasing the previous installation completely by re-formatting my previous root partition. 1. The installation did not switch to GUI mode. I can't remember well, but AFAIR test2 did switch to GUI mode. Is this an error or does it work as intended? 2. Rebooting after installation the graphical boot screen was hanging too long at "Detecting new hardware" so I switched to detailed mode, and saw Kudzu waiting for user interaction. I was lucky that kudzu did not time out yet, I still had a few seconds to enter in kudzu. Now kudzu told me that my pcmcia ehternet/serial combo was removed which was absolutely not the case! I decided to keep the configuration. After this small intermezzo, everything went well, kudzu did not complain about my pcmcia card at subsequent reboots. I think that: a) kudzu behaviour should be fixed regarding pcmcia devices. b) the graphical boot is nice, but it should somehow recognize if the console is waiting for user interaction such as kudzu and switch to detailed mode otherwise users might miss something important at boot. 3. Logging in first I am missing all the Openoffice.org icons. The openoffice.org rpms are all installed. (I installed with the Workstation options, without customizing the software selection at all). Do I have to configure something to have those icons back on my taskbar? Thats all for the moment. Before filing those problems to bugzilla, I'd like to have your comments. Cheers Miklos From chrisw01 at privatei.com Tue Oct 14 13:06:20 2003 From: chrisw01 at privatei.com (Christopher A. Williams) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 07:06:20 -0600 Subject: Fedora Test 3 First Impressions Message-ID: <1066136779.12433.4.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> Only have a sec cause I have to go to work, but here are some 1st impressions after doing a fresh install. I backed up the data I wanted to keep and then formatted the disk. 1) OOo 1.1 works, but you must first run one OOo program like oowriter before the entries in the desktop menus show up. 2) Install program works *much* better now. I like the simplified look I'm sure I'll find more tonight. I burned a big stack of CDs and will have my Server OS class install tonight. Will bugzilla anything else I find if it's not already there. Cheers, Chris -- ==================================== "If you get to thinkin' you're a person of some influence, try orderin' someone else's dog around." --Cowboy Wisdom From dale_kosan at fastmail.fm Tue Oct 14 13:11:12 2003 From: dale_kosan at fastmail.fm (Dale Kosan) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 09:11:12 -0400 Subject: My experiences with severn test3 Message-ID: <3F8BF5F0.9050104@fastmail.fm> Downloaded last night and installed from a windows partition this morning, I did not expand the iso's. All went well, no problems. The graphical boot screen is very nice and if I click more details I can see what is going on. The first boot kudzu sat for about 5 minutes before continuing on as normal. All reboots after went much quicker. Great job guy's! Dale Kosan From zboszor at freemail.hu Tue Oct 14 13:13:36 2003 From: zboszor at freemail.hu (Boszormenyi Zoltan) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 15:13:36 +0200 Subject: Allowing a user administrative tasks without roots password In-Reply-To: <1066134960.3f8bedb0d8805@webmail.welho.com> References: <1066118142.5190.16.camel@tiger> <3F8BB3F6.9070703@tech-access.com> <3F8BC609.9000905@freemail.hu> <1066134960.3f8bedb0d8805@webmail.welho.com> Message-ID: <3F8BF680.4080603@freemail.hu> Panu Matilainen ?rta: > Quoting Boszormenyi Zoltan : > > >>auth sufficient pam_localuser.so # all local user >> >>or >> >>auth sufficient pam_succeed_if.so USER ingroup printersettings >> # certain users are in printersettings group > > > > There once was even a GUI tool to do this included in some beta-release of RHL, > somewhere in 7.x days. Sadly it never made it to the final releases and hasn't > been resurrected in any form either (it was a QT app so I guess it didn't fit in > with the other RH config tools and was somewhat rough around the edges...) I remember Linuxconf, it has several frontends and it was included in some RH releases... I looked at it's homepage, it's still maintained. http://www.solucorp.qc.ca/linuxconf/ -- Best regards, Zolt?n B?sz?rm?nyi --------------------- What did Hussein say about his knife? One in Bush worth two in the hand. From jeremyp at pobox.com Tue Oct 14 13:28:42 2003 From: jeremyp at pobox.com (Jeremy Portzer) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 09:28:42 -0400 Subject: Experiences with severn test3 In-Reply-To: <63463.193.110.58.52.1066136496.squirrel@rabin.hdsnet.hu> References: <63463.193.110.58.52.1066136496.squirrel@rabin.hdsnet.hu> Message-ID: <1066138122.2658.1.camel@jeremy.dtcc.cc.nc.us> On Tue, 2003-10-14 at 09:01, M??ller Mikl??s wrote: > b) the graphical boot is nice, but it should somehow recognize > if the console is waiting for user interaction such as kudzu > and switch to detailed mode otherwise users might miss something > important at boot. If you check the release notes, you'll see that this is a known bug and is being worked on. --Jeremy -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From pmatilai at welho.com Tue Oct 14 13:31:12 2003 From: pmatilai at welho.com (Panu Matilainen) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 16:31:12 +0300 Subject: Allowing a user administrative tasks without roots password In-Reply-To: <3F8BF680.4080603@freemail.hu> References: <1066118142.5190.16.camel@tiger> <3F8BB3F6.9070703@tech-access.com> <3F8BC609.9000905@freemail.hu> <1066134960.3f8bedb0d8805@webmail.welho.com> <3F8BF680.4080603@freemail.hu> Message-ID: <1066138272.3f8bfaa04753d@webmail.welho.com> Quoting Boszormenyi Zoltan : > Panu Matilainen ?rta: > > Quoting Boszormenyi Zoltan : > > > > > >>auth sufficient pam_localuser.so # all local user > >> > >>or > >> > >>auth sufficient pam_succeed_if.so USER ingroup printersettings > >> # certain users are in printersettings group > > > > > > > > There once was even a GUI tool to do this included in some beta-release of > RHL, > > somewhere in 7.x days. Sadly it never made it to the final releases and > hasn't > > been resurrected in any form either (it was a QT app so I guess it didn't > fit in > > with the other RH config tools and was somewhat rough around the > edges...) > > I remember Linuxconf, it has several frontends > and it was included in some RH releases... > I looked at it's homepage, it's still maintained. > http://www.solucorp.qc.ca/linuxconf/ Last I tried Linuxconf the capability stuff didn't work but that was a long long time ago. Anyway I was actually talking about program called "kapabilities" made specifically for this task, it just was never finished :( -- - Panu - From gstool at earthlink.net Tue Oct 14 13:40:42 2003 From: gstool at earthlink.net (Gerry Tool) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 08:40:42 -0500 Subject: Same firstboot bug as test 2 In-Reply-To: <200310140722.09928.czar@czarc.net> References: <1066099442.3948.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <200310140722.09928.czar@czarc.net> Message-ID: <1066138841.5529.0.camel@gstpc.earthlink.net> On Tue, 2003-10-14 at 06:22, Gene C. wrote: > On Monday 13 October 2003 22:53, Todd Booher wrote: > > Just installed test 3 and you still lose the cursor on the firstboot > > screen. The workaround is to change to terminal 1 and then back to > > terminal 7 and the mouse works again. > > > > This was a clean install of test 3 on an IBM T30 thinkpad. > > On the other hand, I did NOT see the problem with test 3 (I did see it on test > 2). > > This was a fresh install of test 3 as a vmware guest. I DID see it on fresh install of test 3. I probably fumbled the change of terminal, but had to reboot twice to get a cursor. Gerry Tool From jspaleta at princeton.edu Tue Oct 14 13:45:22 2003 From: jspaleta at princeton.edu (Jef Spaleta) Date: 14 Oct 2003 09:45:22 -0400 Subject: Allowing a user administrative tasks without roots password Message-ID: <1066139122.21948.25.camel@spatula> Boszormenyi Zoltan wrote: > Now starting 'Printing' from the System Settings menu > does not asks the root password. However, starting > the Print Manager from the panel and editing settings > of a printer still asks. To avoid this the same > modification is needed in /etc/pam.d/redhat-config-printer-gui. > Why is there two pam config file for these? They start the same > task... it has to do with how consolehelper and userhelper works afaict... man consolehelper man userhelper and then look at the files in /etc/security/console.apps/ Now my reading of how userhelper works suggests there might be a way to link these two programs together using the variables userhelper looks for in the console.apps files. Or a simple solution might be to symlink the pam.d control files for r-c-printer-gui and printconf-gui together out of the box since they are infact the same program binary in reality...assuming that there isn't some functionality difference if called by the different names. If you are really intent on this sort of wholesale rights to users...maybe you really want to use pam_console instead of pam_localuser for some functions. -jef -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From notting at redhat.com Tue Oct 14 13:56:51 2003 From: notting at redhat.com (Bill Nottingham) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 09:56:51 -0400 Subject: Experiences with severn test3 In-Reply-To: <63463.193.110.58.52.1066136496.squirrel@rabin.hdsnet.hu>; from mmuller@lbcons.net on Tue, Oct 14, 2003 at 03:01:36PM +0200 References: <63463.193.110.58.52.1066136496.squirrel@rabin.hdsnet.hu> Message-ID: <20031014095651.B18136@devserv.devel.redhat.com> M?ller Mikl?s (mmuller at lbcons.net) said: > 2. Rebooting after installation the graphical boot screen was > hanging too long at "Detecting new hardware" so I switched to > detailed mode, and saw Kudzu waiting for user interaction. I > was lucky that kudzu did not time out yet, I still had a few > seconds to enter in kudzu. Now kudzu told me that my pcmcia > ehternet/serial combo was removed which was absolutely not the > case! I decided to keep the configuration. After this small > intermezzo, everything went well, kudzu did not complain about > my pcmcia card at subsequent reboots. I think that: > > a) kudzu behaviour should be fixed regarding pcmcia devices. Yup, it's in bugzilla. > b) the graphical boot is nice, but it should somehow recognize > if the console is waiting for user interaction such as kudzu > and switch to detailed mode otherwise users might miss something > important at boot. There are some *really* dirty hacks to enable this coming up. :) (the long term answer is just a GUI configuration program) > 3. Logging in first I am missing all the Openoffice.org > icons. The openoffice.org rpms are all installed. (I installed > with the Workstation options, without customizing the software > selection at all). Do I have to configure something to have > those icons back on my taskbar? Nope, it's a bug in the new OpenOffice packages. Also already in bugzilla. Bill From gstool at earthlink.net Tue Oct 14 13:57:01 2003 From: gstool at earthlink.net (Gerry Tool) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 08:57:01 -0500 Subject: Anaconda bug on Fedora .95?? In-Reply-To: <1066134458.4719.2.camel@Memphis> References: <1066134458.4719.2.camel@Memphis> Message-ID: <1066139821.5529.2.camel@gstpc.earthlink.net> On Tue, 2003-10-14 at 07:27, Tim Whitbeck wrote: > I just got the isos for Test release 3 last night from > http://torrent.dulug.duke.edu/ > and I'm having problems with Anaconda. I have all packages available on > rawhide channel up2date and when anaconda says "searching for packages > to upgrade" it gets a big error and bombs out. Anyone else get this? > If not I'll save the bug output to a floppy and put it on bugzilla. I > thought this was a bug in Anaconda for release 2? My install went without a hitch. Did you test the CDs? I downloaded using Mozilla instead of bittorrent. Gerry From grant at tuins.ac.jp Tue Oct 14 14:05:22 2003 From: grant at tuins.ac.jp (rg) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 23:05:22 +0900 Subject: test3 - what happened to individual package selection? In-Reply-To: <1066139821.5529.2.camel@gstpc.earthlink.net> References: <1066134458.4719.2.camel@Memphis> <1066139821.5529.2.camel@gstpc.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3F8C02A2.1010704@tuins.ac.jp> Just installed Test 3 from CD and was suprised to see that the Add/Remove Applications window had gone back to what it was in RH 9. What happened to the individual package selection feature? Is it gone for the coming final release because of the can't-find-cd bug? ralston From nosp at xades.com Tue Oct 14 14:05:33 2003 From: nosp at xades.com (nosp) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 15:05:33 +0100 Subject: FC1B2 -- seen hard freeze with xmms/nautilus? Message-ID: <1066140333.2022.24.camel@earth.xades.com> Anyone seen hard lockups when previewing .wav files in nautilus or opening them by right clicking on the file and choosing "Open With...XMMS"? By hard lockup I mean keyboard & display are frozen, box is not pingable, magic sysrq keys don't work, have to reset the machine. It's a bit hard to reproduce but has happened to me three times today and at least four times in the last week. Vital stats: Fedora Core 1 Beta 2 + all updates kernel-smp-2.4.22-1.2087.nptl xmms-1.2.8-1.p nautilus-2.4.0-5 Athlon 1600 MP x2 ASUS A7M266-D motherboard (onboard CMI8738 sound) TIA From dstewart at atl.lmco.com Tue Oct 14 14:04:47 2003 From: dstewart at atl.lmco.com (Douglas Stewart) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 10:04:47 -0400 Subject: A suggestion for Anaconda In-Reply-To: <1066139821.5529.2.camel@gstpc.earthlink.net> References: <1066134458.4719.2.camel@Memphis> <1066139821.5529.2.camel@gstpc.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3F8C027F.7010206@atl.lmco.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 GDM very kindly has a notification for when you have your CapsLock on. Perhaps the root password screen of anaconda should also feature such a nicety? - -- - ---------- Doug Stewart Systems Administrator/Web Applications Developer Lockheed Martin Advanced Technology Labs Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/jAJ/N50Q8DVvcvkRAj+BAJ9F1T/MXXTYGY09abKjJlTIBYKrFwCeIgyx K7FHQ3y6cqsH6GyP6+bODtg= =h2+8 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From grant at tuins.ac.jp Tue Oct 14 14:09:04 2003 From: grant at tuins.ac.jp (rg) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 23:09:04 +0900 Subject: test3 - Bluecurve not bluecurving with nautilus buttons (and others) In-Reply-To: <1066139821.5529.2.camel@gstpc.earthlink.net> References: <1066134458.4719.2.camel@Memphis> <1066139821.5529.2.camel@gstpc.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3F8C0380.9070506@tuins.ac.jp> Another thing I noticed with test3 is that the bluecurve buttons in Nautilus have given way to the standard GNOME buttons. Same in various other windows (Theme selection window, for example). The window borders are Bluecurve, but the controls are all GNOME. Is this a bug or the way it is supposed to be? rg From nosp at xades.com Tue Oct 14 14:07:40 2003 From: nosp at xades.com (nosp) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 15:07:40 +0100 Subject: gaim thrashing box after about 1hr? Message-ID: <1066140460.2022.28.camel@earth.xades.com> Anyone seen gaim causing lots of CPU usage on a box after having been running (gaim) for an hour or so? It seems caught in a tight loop and I will file a bug with gaim if anyone else has seen this. Vital stats: Fedora Core 1 Beta 2 + updates gaim-0.70-2 kernel-smp-2.4.22-1.2087.nptl Logged in to IRC & Yahoo accounts only strace excerpt: --- gettimeofday({1066139588, 649102}, NULL) = 0 read(7, "", 1023) = 0 ioctl(3, FIONREAD, [0]) = 0 gettimeofday({1066139588, 649260}, NULL) = 0 poll([{fd=3, events=POLLIN}, {fd=4, events=POLLIN}, {fd=9, events=POLLIN}, {fd=7, events=POLLIN, revents=POLLIN}], 4, 814) = 1 gettimeofday({1066139588, 649375}, NULL) = 0 read(7, "", 1023) = 0 ioctl(3, FIONREAD, [0]) = 0 gettimeofday({1066139588, 649528}, NULL) = 0 poll([{fd=3, events=POLLIN}, {fd=4, events=POLLIN}, {fd=9, events=POLLIN}, {fd=7, events=POLLIN, revents=POLLIN}], 4, 813) = 1 gettimeofday({1066139588, 649642}, NULL) = 0 read(7, "", 1023) = 0 ioctl(3, FIONREAD, [0]) = 0 gettimeofday({1066139588, 649794}, NULL) = 0 poll([{fd=3, events=POLLIN}, {fd=4, events=POLLIN}, {fd=9, events=POLLIN}, {fd=7, events=POLLIN, revents=POLLIN}], 4, 813) = 1 gettimeofday({1066139588, 649908}, NULL) = 0 --- From reader at newsguy.com Tue Oct 14 14:18:15 2003 From: reader at newsguy.com (Harry Putnam) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 09:18:15 -0500 Subject: Grub and `other' OS Message-ID: Severn is my first time using grub... I've been cowering behind lilo for quite a while. I'm guessing its pretty easy to do but not so clear just how to set up an `other' os to be started by grub. In this case its a solaris (x86) install on /dev/hda. With past RH releases I've been starting it with the tried and tru lilo technique: [..] other=/dev/hda1 label=sol table=/dev/hda [...] Severn is on /dev/hdc1 and bootloader is installed in MBR of /dev/hda How is this done with grub? From paul at frields.com Tue Oct 14 14:20:44 2003 From: paul at frields.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: 14 Oct 2003 10:20:44 -0400 Subject: FC1B2 -- seen hard freeze with xmms/nautilus? In-Reply-To: <1066140333.2022.24.camel@earth.xades.com> References: <1066140333.2022.24.camel@earth.xades.com> Message-ID: <1066141244.3399.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2003-10-14 at 10:05, nosp wrote: > Anyone seen hard lockups when previewing .wav files in nautilus or > opening them by right clicking on the file and choosing "Open > With...XMMS"? By hard lockup I mean keyboard & display are frozen, box > is not pingable, magic sysrq keys don't work, have to reset the machine. > > It's a bit hard to reproduce but has happened to me three times today > and at least four times in the last week. Already bugzilla'd at: http://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=106247 -- Paul W. Frields From rdieter at math.unl.edu Tue Oct 14 14:25:15 2003 From: rdieter at math.unl.edu (Rex Dieter) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 09:25:15 -0500 Subject: Sun J2SE 1.4.2 In-Reply-To: <20031013182114.6694.70669.Mailman@listman.back-rdu.redhat.com> References: <20031013182114.6694.70669.Mailman@listman.back-rdu.redhat.com> Message-ID: <200310140925.15544.rdieter@math.unl.edu> nosp wrote: > On Mon, 2003-10-13 at 14:50, Rex Dieter wrote: > > You can alternatively use my redhat'ized versions of the jpackage > > stuff: http://apt.kde-redhat.org/apt/jpackage/ > > What does "redat'ized" mean? How do these differ from jpackage.org's > packages? Excerpted from the .txt files: jpackage-utils CHANGELOG (recent): * Mon Sep 29 2003 Rex Dieter 0:1.5.27-1jpp.1 - Requires: bitstream-vera-fonts * Fri Sep 12 2003 Rex Dieter 0:1.5.27-1jpp.0 - use replacement font.properties that actually works (for me at least) - redhat-ize (use redhat rpm groups, instead of Mandrake ones) java-1.4.2-sun CHANGELOG (recent): * Wed Sep 10 2003 Rex Dieter 0:1.4.2.01-7jpp.0 - redhat-ize (use redhat rpm groups, instead of Mandrake ones) - dynamically generate/calculate value of alternatives priority. - Obsoletes: %origin-j2se1.4 -- Rex From gstool at earthlink.net Tue Oct 14 14:32:33 2003 From: gstool at earthlink.net (Gerry Tool) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 09:32:33 -0500 Subject: Grub and `other' OS In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1066141953.5525.10.camel@gstpc.earthlink.net> On Tue, 2003-10-14 at 09:18, Harry Putnam wrote: > Severn is my first time using grub... I've been cowering behind > lilo for quite a while. > > I'm guessing its pretty easy to do but not so clear just how to set > up an `other' os to be started by grub. > > In this case its a solaris (x86) install on /dev/hda. With past RH > releases I've been starting it with the tried and tru lilo technique: > > [..] > other=/dev/hda1 > label=sol > table=/dev/hda > [...] > > Severn is on /dev/hdc1 and bootloader is installed in MBR of /dev/hda > How is this done with grub? Grub creates a file /etc/grub.conf in which the boot loader records are listed. For example: ======================================= # grub.conf generated by anaconda # # Note that you do not have to rerun grub after making changes to this file # NOTICE: You do not have a /boot partition. This means that # all kernel and initrd paths are relative to /, eg. # root (hd0,10) # kernel /boot/vmlinuz-version ro root=/dev/hda11 # initrd /boot/initrd-version.img #boot=/dev/hda11 default=0 timeout=10 splashimage=(hd0,10)/boot/grub/splash.xpm.gz title Fedora Core (2.4.22-1.2088.nptl) root (hd0,10) kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.4.22-1.2088.nptl ro root=LABEL=/1 hdc=ide-scsi initrd /boot/initrd-2.4.22-1.2088.nptl.img title DOS rootnoverify (hd0,0) chainloader +1 ======================================= is the file created by a fresh install of Fedora Test 3 where I have a windows partition on /dev/hda1 (called DOS above). To add another OS, a similar record is added, and the next boot contains that choice in the boot menu. You do not have to run grub to make the change as you do in lilo. For a complete explanation, visit http://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/linux/RHL-9-Manual/ref-guide/s1-grub-whatis.html Gerry From gstool at earthlink.net Tue Oct 14 14:34:49 2003 From: gstool at earthlink.net (Gerry Tool) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 09:34:49 -0500 Subject: Sun J2SE 1.4.2 In-Reply-To: <200310140925.15544.rdieter@math.unl.edu> References: <20031013182114.6694.70669.Mailman@listman.back-rdu.redhat.com> <200310140925.15544.rdieter@math.unl.edu> Message-ID: <1066142089.5525.12.camel@gstpc.earthlink.net> On Tue, 2003-10-14 at 09:25, Rex Dieter wrote: > nosp wrote: > > On Mon, 2003-10-13 at 14:50, Rex Dieter wrote: > > > You can alternatively use my redhat'ized versions of the jpackage > > > stuff: http://apt.kde-redhat.org/apt/jpackage/ When I try to access this link, it says Permission Forbidden. How can I use it? Gerry From tdiehl at rogueind.com Tue Oct 14 14:47:42 2003 From: tdiehl at rogueind.com (Tom Diehl) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 10:47:42 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Update or new ISOs ? In-Reply-To: <1066130536.4011.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On Tue, 14 Oct 2003, Erik Englund wrote: > but can you upgrade through up2date? i don't have too much time right > now and i would appreciate if it was no problem with upgrading trough > up2date :) > > Erik > > On Tue, 2003-10-14 at 04:11, Maynard Kuona wrote: > > On Mon, 2003-10-13 at 18:08, Botoaca Andrei wrote: > > > If i keep updating from rawhide will it be any different as if I would > > > download the new ISOs and install them ? (I don't really want to waste other > > > 3 CDs for this ... ) > > > because I saw that after last weeks updates I already have 9.0.95 as PC name > > > (so I guess all updates I do lead exactly to the new ISOs), am I right !? > > > > > > Thanks > > > Me > > > > You do not have to use CD's. You can put the iso files in a folder you > > can access from the floppy boot disk. Create a boot floppy using rawrite > > from CD1. I think the proper image for the floppy is called bootdisk.img > > or something like that. Boot from the floppy and select Hard drive > > install from teh install options. In Fedora I am sure this now gives a > > graphical install. You do not have to extract the contents of the isos. > > Pretty nice feature of Redhats install. For more info refer to the > > redhat install guide. No need to waste CD's on Beta's. > > > > Just in case you didn't know. > > > > > > -- > > fedora-test-list mailing list > > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > -- ......Tom Registered Linux User #14522 http://counter.li.org tdiehl at rogueind.com My current SpamTrap -------> mtd123 at rogueind.com From tdiehl at rogueind.com Tue Oct 14 15:01:20 2003 From: tdiehl at rogueind.com (Tom Diehl) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 11:01:20 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Grub and `other' OS In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 14 Oct 2003, Harry Putnam wrote: > Severn is my first time using grub... I've been cowering behind > lilo for quite a while. > > I'm guessing its pretty easy to do but not so clear just how to set > up an `other' os to be started by grub. > > In this case its a solaris (x86) install on /dev/hda. With past RH > releases I've been starting it with the tried and tru lilo technique: > > [..] > other=/dev/hda1 > label=sol > table=/dev/hda > [...] > > Severn is on /dev/hdc1 and bootloader is installed in MBR of /dev/hda > How is this done with grub? Grub config is similar but different. :-) Here is a copy of my grub conf: grub.conf generated by anaconda # # Note that you do not have to rerun grub after making changes to this file # NOTICE: You have a /boot partition. This means that # all kernel and initrd paths are relative to /boot/, eg. # root (hd1,0) # kernel /vmlinuz-version ro root=/dev/hdc5 # initrd /initrd-version.img #boot=/dev/hda default=0 timeout=10 splashimage=(hd1,0)/grub/splash.xpm.gz title Red Hat Linux (2.4.20-18.9) root (hd1,0) kernel /vmlinuz-2.4.20-18.9 ro root=LABEL=/ initrd /initrd-2.4.20-18.9.img title Red Hat Linux (2.4.20-13.9) root (hd1,0) kernel /vmlinuz-2.4.20-13.9 ro root=LABEL=/ initrd /initrd-2.4.20-13.9.img title Solaris 9 rootnoverify (hd0,0) chainloader +1 This should give you an idea of how to do it. HTH, -- ......Tom Registered Linux User #14522 http://counter.li.org tdiehl at rogueind.com My current SpamTrap -------> mtd123 at rogueind.com From whb at ceimaine.org Tue Oct 14 15:02:58 2003 From: whb at ceimaine.org (Will Backman) Date: 14 Oct 2003 11:02:58 -0400 Subject: Adopt an RPM Message-ID: <1066143777.1953.33.camel@localhost.localdomain> Is there an "Adopt an RPM" program within the QA project? I am a regular user of Redhat. I'd like to help. For example, I use the SGML tools and have reported bugs in the past. This would not be really rigorous testing, but at least it might get some of the more obscure rpms tested more often. Simple test that a user like myself could perform: * Does package verify? * Does it install (or upgrade)? * Do any of the install scripts encounter problems? * Does it verify after install? * Does each executable run? * Is the documentation there? -- Will Backman From blizzard at redhat.com Tue Oct 14 15:18:11 2003 From: blizzard at redhat.com (Christopher Blizzard) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 11:18:11 -0400 Subject: gaim thrashing box after about 1hr? In-Reply-To: <1066140460.2022.28.camel@earth.xades.com> References: <1066140460.2022.28.camel@earth.xades.com> Message-ID: <3F8C13B3.7060107@redhat.com> nosp wrote: >Anyone seen gaim causing lots of CPU usage on a box after having been >running (gaim) for an hour or so? > >It seems caught in a tight loop and I will file a bug with gaim if >anyone else has seen this. > What version of gaim do you have installed (rpm -q gaim will tell you.) Do you know how to do a little ctrl-c debugging just to give me and the gaim developers and idea of where it might be stuck in a loop? --Chris > >Vital stats: >Fedora Core 1 Beta 2 + updates >gaim-0.70-2 >kernel-smp-2.4.22-1.2087.nptl >Logged in to IRC & Yahoo accounts only > >strace excerpt: >--- >gettimeofday({1066139588, 649102}, NULL) = 0 >read(7, "", 1023) = 0 >ioctl(3, FIONREAD, [0]) = 0 >gettimeofday({1066139588, 649260}, NULL) = 0 >poll([{fd=3, events=POLLIN}, {fd=4, events=POLLIN}, {fd=9, >events=POLLIN}, {fd=7, events=POLLIN, revents=POLLIN}], 4, 814) = 1 >gettimeofday({1066139588, 649375}, NULL) = 0 >read(7, "", 1023) = 0 >ioctl(3, FIONREAD, [0]) = 0 >gettimeofday({1066139588, 649528}, NULL) = 0 >poll([{fd=3, events=POLLIN}, {fd=4, events=POLLIN}, {fd=9, >events=POLLIN}, {fd=7, events=POLLIN, revents=POLLIN}], 4, 813) = 1 >gettimeofday({1066139588, 649642}, NULL) = 0 >read(7, "", 1023) = 0 >ioctl(3, FIONREAD, [0]) = 0 >gettimeofday({1066139588, 649794}, NULL) = 0 >poll([{fd=3, events=POLLIN}, {fd=4, events=POLLIN}, {fd=9, >events=POLLIN}, {fd=7, events=POLLIN, revents=POLLIN}], 4, 813) = 1 >gettimeofday({1066139588, 649908}, NULL) = 0 >--- > > >-- >fedora-test-list mailing list >fedora-test-list at redhat.com >http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > -- ------------ Christopher Blizzard http://people.redhat.com/blizzard/ ------------ From sds at epoch.ncsc.mil Tue Oct 14 15:22:54 2003 From: sds at epoch.ncsc.mil (Stephen Smalley) Date: 14 Oct 2003 11:22:54 -0400 Subject: Allowing a user administrative tasks without roots password In-Reply-To: <1066118142.5190.16.camel@tiger> References: <1066118142.5190.16.camel@tiger> Message-ID: <1066144974.5054.202.camel@moss-spartans.epoch.ncsc.mil> On Tue, 2003-10-14 at 03:55, Louis Garcia wrote: > I was wondering if it was possible to create a root like account but > having it locked. This way you can control who has access to what > without having to give up roots password. > > Lets say you allow users to change the clock. They call up the Date & > Time capplet but instead of giving roots password they give this new > account password. So now a user can modify the time but not be able to > log in as root and do horrible thinks. > > Is this doable, or is more complicated? Maybe ACL would be better for > this. SELinux can support this based on the user's role. Dan Walsh has an experimental patched userhelper for SELinux that makes use of this ability to avoid requiring the root password to run the configuration tools, and just relies on the user role authorizations. Work still needs to be done on the policy to provide a reasonable set of administrative roles. -- Stephen Smalley National Security Agency From knxmay001 at mail.uct.ac.za Tue Oct 14 15:28:05 2003 From: knxmay001 at mail.uct.ac.za (Maynard Kuona) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 17:28:05 +0200 Subject: Allowing a user administrative tasks without roots password In-Reply-To: <1066144974.5054.202.camel@moss-spartans.epoch.ncsc.mil> References: <1066118142.5190.16.camel@tiger> <1066144974.5054.202.camel@moss-spartans.epoch.ncsc.mil> Message-ID: <1066145285.1681.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2003-10-14 at 17:22, Stephen Smalley wrote: > On Tue, 2003-10-14 at 03:55, Louis Garcia wrote: > > I was wondering if it was possible to create a root like account but > > having it locked. This way you can control who has access to what > > without having to give up roots password. > > > > Lets say you allow users to change the clock. They call up the Date & > > Time capplet but instead of giving roots password they give this new > > account password. So now a user can modify the time but not be able to > > log in as root and do horrible thinks. > > > > Is this doable, or is more complicated? Maybe ACL would be better for > > this. > > SELinux can support this based on the user's role. Dan Walsh has an > experimental patched userhelper for SELinux that makes use of this > ability to avoid requiring the root password to run the configuration > tools, and just relies on the user role authorizations. Work still > needs to be done on the policy to provide a reasonable set of > administrative roles. > You can do this using sudo I am sure, but this will be command line AFAIK. So, if, for instance, you want a users to be able to use apt, you will give them access to /bin/apt*, and they will be able to run all apt programs. From reader at newsguy.com Tue Oct 14 15:33:28 2003 From: reader at newsguy.com (Harry Putnam) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 10:33:28 -0500 Subject: Grub and `other' OS In-Reply-To: (Tom Diehl's message of "Tue, 14 Oct 2003 11:01:20 -0400 (EDT)") References: Message-ID: Tom Diehl writes: > This should give you an idea of how to do it. Sure did, to both of you. Sorry .. it was embarrassingly easy to find that info in the `info' file. But your exact files made it real easy. It gives examples of setting vga by appending to the root line like: kernel /vmlinuz root=/dev/hda1 vga=ask doing this and selectinbg various of those offered I see the selected size only lasts about 100 or so lines then the standard size re-emerges so that most of teh boot messages are in the standard size instead of what ever was selected. Anyone know what that is the case? From nosp at xades.com Tue Oct 14 15:34:15 2003 From: nosp at xades.com (nosp) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 16:34:15 +0100 Subject: gaim thrashing box after about 1hr? In-Reply-To: <3F8C13B3.7060107@redhat.com> References: <1066140460.2022.28.camel@earth.xades.com> <3F8C13B3.7060107@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1066145655.2022.37.camel@earth.xades.com> On Tue, 2003-10-14 at 16:18, Christopher Blizzard wrote: > What version of gaim do you have installed (rpm -q gaim will tell you.) Sorry, didn't include it as obviously as I could have in the first post: --- Vital stats: Fedora Core 1 Beta 2 + updates gaim-0.70-2 kernel-smp-2.4.22-1.2087.nptl Logged in to IRC & Yahoo accounts only --- > Do you know how to do a little ctrl-c debugging just to give me and the > gaim developers and idea of where it might be stuck in a loop? Sure, I'd love to help. Let me know what I can do. Thanks. From msf at redhat.com Tue Oct 14 15:48:05 2003 From: msf at redhat.com (Michael Fulbright) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 11:48:05 -0400 Subject: test 3 installation comments/questions In-Reply-To: <200310140856.16437.czar@czarc.net> References: <200310140856.16437.czar@czarc.net> Message-ID: <1066146485.14415.18.camel@avatar.devel.redhat.com> On Tue, 2003-10-14 at 08:56, Gene C. wrote: > 1. The "Remaining time" does not change very frequently (15->8->6->4->2) and > thus gives little feedback comfort. > You're spending way too much time watching the install. Go get something refreshing to drink :) Seriously I spent a day or two profiling lots of install cases and there is no obvious way to get the time accurate. The solution I switched to gives a good faith initial estimate that should be within 15%. Giving any more information is like measuring the circumference of a circle to 2 significant digits, then reporting the the radius to 5. If you don't thunk the estimated time to some value it will bounce up and down alot, which was the previous behavior that was COMPLETELY wrong. The initial time would be 3 minutes, and the install would take >10. So in that regard I feel this is better. Its a first pass however so it can be improved I'm sure. I do agree there is the issue of how do you let the user know the installer hasn't fallen over. I got rid of the individual package progress bar because it basically flashes left to right in about 1 seconds for 90% of the packages and is visually noisy. Perhaps there is another way to give intra-package feedback I haven't thought of. Michael Fulbright msf at redhat.com From dnrlinux at san.rr.com Tue Oct 14 15:50:51 2003 From: dnrlinux at san.rr.com (Don) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 08:50:51 -0700 Subject: ftp install from cd? (was RE: Update or new ISOs ?) In-Reply-To: <1066097479.2025.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: With CD-R's running about 10 cents each, I didn't worry about the cost very much.... Or use CD-RW... then reuse them for each beta... BUT... I like your idea.... question though.... When I install these Betas, I always do a clean install, reformatting all Linux partitions etc.... if I have the ISO images on an FTP server on my LAN, can I do a "boot from floppy" to install from my FTP server? Next question, my laptop doesn't have a floppy disk drive... can I create a "boot from CD" and do an FTP install? Don > -----Original Message----- > From: fedora-test-list-admin at redhat.com > [mailto:fedora-test-list-admin at redhat.com]On Behalf Of Maynard Kuona > Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 7:11 PM > To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com > Subject: Re: Update or new ISOs ? > > > On Mon, 2003-10-13 at 18:08, Botoaca Andrei wrote: > > If i keep updating from rawhide will it be any different as if I would > > download the new ISOs and install them ? (I don't really want > to waste other > > 3 CDs for this ... ) > > because I saw that after last weeks updates I already have > 9.0.95 as PC name > > (so I guess all updates I do lead exactly to the new ISOs), am > I right !? > > > > Thanks > > Me > > You do not have to use CD's. You can put the iso files in a folder you > can access from the floppy boot disk. Create a boot floppy using rawrite > from CD1. I think the proper image for the floppy is called bootdisk.img > or something like that. Boot from the floppy and select Hard drive > install from teh install options. In Fedora I am sure this now gives a > graphical install. You do not have to extract the contents of the isos. > Pretty nice feature of Redhats install. For more info refer to the > redhat install guide. No need to waste CD's on Beta's. > > Just in case you didn't know. > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From msf at redhat.com Tue Oct 14 15:54:10 2003 From: msf at redhat.com (Michael Fulbright) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 11:54:10 -0400 Subject: How to duplicate a HD using dd In-Reply-To: <1065907306.5170.2.camel@techbyte.com.br> References: <1065907306.5170.2.camel@techbyte.com.br> Message-ID: <1066146850.14415.21.camel@avatar.devel.redhat.com> The parted command will let you repartition the new drive and then copy filesystems from one disk to the other. I think its smart about it and only copies the actual used parts of the filesystem, which could save alot of time if you have fairly empty filesystems. I've used it alot. Then if the new disk is bigger you can resize the filesystem before copying the next one. Michael Fulbright msf at redhat.com From daniel-wittenberg at starken.com Tue Oct 14 15:55:55 2003 From: daniel-wittenberg at starken.com (Daniel Wittenberg) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 10:55:55 -0500 Subject: [FEDORA] Re: Allowing a user administrative tasks without roots password In-Reply-To: <1066144974.5054.202.camel@moss-spartans.epoch.ncsc.mil> References: <1066118142.5190.16.camel@tiger> <1066144974.5054.202.camel@moss-spartans.epoch.ncsc.mil> Message-ID: <1066146955.4135.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> Speaking of SELinux, how hard is it to apply the SELinux patches to Fedora? Since I have to do this in an automated, easy setup, doing individual kernel builds is not an option, so RPM's against the kernel and/or new userland tools is a must. Dan On Tue, 2003-10-14 at 10:22, Stephen Smalley wrote: > On Tue, 2003-10-14 at 03:55, Louis Garcia wrote: > > I was wondering if it was possible to create a root like account but > > having it locked. This way you can control who has access to what > > without having to give up roots password. > > > > Lets say you allow users to change the clock. They call up the Date & > > Time capplet but instead of giving roots password they give this new > > account password. So now a user can modify the time but not be able to > > log in as root and do horrible thinks. > > > > Is this doable, or is more complicated? Maybe ACL would be better for > > this. > > SELinux can support this based on the user's role. Dan Walsh has an > experimental patched userhelper for SELinux that makes use of this > ability to avoid requiring the root password to run the configuration > tools, and just relies on the user role authorizations. Work still > needs to be done on the policy to provide a reasonable set of > administrative roles. > -- ============================= Daniel Wittenberg RHCE+AS/IBM Certified Specialist President/CTO The Starken Group http://www.starken.com From knxmay001 at mail.uct.ac.za Tue Oct 14 15:58:45 2003 From: knxmay001 at mail.uct.ac.za (Maynard Kuona) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 17:58:45 +0200 Subject: ftp install from cd? (was RE: Update or new ISOs ?) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1066147124.1681.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> Yes, it is possible. In fact, there is a bootdisk.iso or something that is specifically for that purpose, i.e., making a boot cd. Its very minimal, about 2MB or so. works more or less like the boot floppy. And yes, you can do an ftp install, from the directory with isos too. No need to extract them frist. On Tue, 2003-10-14 at 17:50, Don wrote: > With CD-R's running about 10 cents each, I didn't worry about the cost very > much.... > > Or use CD-RW... then reuse them for each beta... > > BUT... I like your idea.... question though.... When I install these Betas, > I always do a clean install, reformatting all Linux partitions etc.... if I > have the ISO images on an FTP server on my LAN, can I do a "boot from > floppy" to install from my FTP server? > > Next question, my laptop doesn't have a floppy disk drive... can I create a > "boot from CD" and do an FTP install? > > Don > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: fedora-test-list-admin at redhat.com > > [mailto:fedora-test-list-admin at redhat.com]On Behalf Of Maynard Kuona > > Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 7:11 PM > > To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com > > Subject: Re: Update or new ISOs ? > > > > > > On Mon, 2003-10-13 at 18:08, Botoaca Andrei wrote: > > > If i keep updating from rawhide will it be any different as if I would > > > download the new ISOs and install them ? (I don't really want > > to waste other > > > 3 CDs for this ... ) > > > because I saw that after last weeks updates I already have > > 9.0.95 as PC name > > > (so I guess all updates I do lead exactly to the new ISOs), am > > I right !? > > > > > > Thanks > > > Me > > > > You do not have to use CD's. You can put the iso files in a folder you > > can access from the floppy boot disk. Create a boot floppy using rawrite > > from CD1. I think the proper image for the floppy is called bootdisk.img > > or something like that. Boot from the floppy and select Hard drive > > install from teh install options. In Fedora I am sure this now gives a > > graphical install. You do not have to extract the contents of the isos. > > Pretty nice feature of Redhats install. For more info refer to the > > redhat install guide. No need to waste CD's on Beta's. > > > > Just in case you didn't know. > > > > > > -- > > fedora-test-list mailing list > > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From jkt at redhat.com Tue Oct 14 15:57:45 2003 From: jkt at redhat.com (Jay Turner) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 11:57:45 -0400 Subject: Adopt an RPM In-Reply-To: <1066143777.1953.33.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1066143777.1953.33.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20031014155745.GA31422@redhat.com> On Tue, Oct 14, 2003 at 11:02:58AM -0400, Will Backman wrote: > Is there an "Adopt an RPM" program within the QA project? > I am a regular user of Redhat. I'd like to help. > > For example, I use the SGML tools > and have reported bugs in the past. This would not be really rigorous > testing, but at least it might get some of the more obscure rpms tested > more often. Simple test that a user like myself could perform: We are working out the details of how the community will be able to interact with the QA organization within Red Hat, in the hopes of achieving exactly what you speak of. More details to come! - jkt -- --*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--* Jay Turner, QA Technical Lead jkt at redhat.com Red Hat, Inc. Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one. - Albert Einstein From nphilipp at redhat.com Tue Oct 14 16:03:35 2003 From: nphilipp at redhat.com (Nils Philippsen) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 18:03:35 +0200 Subject: New extra packages and yum repository Message-ID: <1066147414.4511.36.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> Hi all, I've put up some new packages/versions on http://lisas.de/~nils/fedora/0.95/ extras: - conglomerate-0.7.5-1 (XML editor) - rss-glx-0.7.6-1 (screen savers, need new ImageMagick packages from updates) - gimp-beta-1.3.21 - neverball-0.25.9-1 (ball balancing game) - toppler-1.0.3-1 (Nebulous-like game) updates: - ImageMagick-5.5.7.10-0.1 (needed for rss-glx-0.7.6) to ease installation/upgrade I've put together yum repositories at http://lisas.de/~nils/yum/fedora/0.95/i386/extras/ and http://lisas.de/~nils/yum/fedora/0.95/i386/updates/ respectively. Nils -- Nils Philippsen / Red Hat / nphilipp at redhat.com "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- B. Franklin, 1759 PGP fingerprint: C4A8 9474 5C4C ADE3 2B8F 656D 47D8 9B65 6951 3011 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From daniel-wittenberg at starken.com Tue Oct 14 16:07:31 2003 From: daniel-wittenberg at starken.com (Daniel Wittenberg) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 11:07:31 -0500 Subject: apt vs yum Message-ID: <1066147651.4135.32.camel@localhost.localdomain> Is one or the other going to be the "preferred" method besides up2date, or are both going to continue to be supported in the free area? It sounds like yum is the preferred method, but still lots of people using apt, so wasn't sure. Dan -- ============================= Daniel Wittenberg RHCE+AS/IBM Certified Specialist President/CTO The Starken Group http://www.starken.com From ejb at ql.org Tue Oct 14 16:14:47 2003 From: ejb at ql.org (Jay Berkenbilt) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 12:14:47 -0400 Subject: severn-SRPMS-disc1.iso on gatech mirror? Message-ID: <200310141614.h9EGElhq025225@soup.ads.apexinc.com> The severn-SRPMS-disc1.iso file that I downloaded from the gatech mirror has an md5 checksum that doesn't match the MD5SUM file. Further, /usr/lib/anaconda-runtime/checkisomd5 fails on that ISO file. I tried rsync -I to update the file and got identical results. All the other files are fine. I'm now trying to download the file from a different mirror. Has anyone else has a problem with SRPMS-disc1, or may there actually be a problem on the gatech mirror? If the latter, how do we let them know? I downloaded the file again from mirror.hiwaay.net, and it checked out file. For completeness, I'll mention that the md5 checksum I got on the file from gatech was b9ff5fd39227720158cf5bf9efb50de8. The correct md5sum is 803c744bc469f7c1709b24c6b0ecf423. --Jay -- Jay Berkenbilt http://www.ql.org/q/ From jgeorgeson at lopht.net Tue Oct 14 16:20:43 2003 From: jgeorgeson at lopht.net (Justin Georgeson) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 11:20:43 -0500 Subject: problems with up2date Message-ID: <3F8C225B.6070003@lopht.net> I have a fully updated system, using up2date with the rawhide yum repo on ftp.redhat.com. I've been trying to build wine, first the 20030911 source RPM from the winehq.com site. That fails because dockbook-utils doesn't have docbook2pdf, so the configure script ends up literally running `false` to generate the PDF docs. I tried aliasing docbook2pdf to true, which worked until it tried to package things and couldn't find half the docs. So I poked around and found a src RPM in the stable section of fedora.us for RH 9. So I downloaded that and trying to build it said I needed a bunch of -devel RPMs, one of them being openssl-devel. So I tried `up2date openssl-devel`. And it just hangs at "Testing package set / solving RPM inter-dependencies...". I've tried it several times over the past few days. Running `up2date -uv` works just fine though. I've never used yum by itself, is it not designed for just grabbing one package + dependencies? Has anyone been able to get a wine RPM build on FC? From ryanpg at yahoo.com Tue Oct 14 16:24:55 2003 From: ryanpg at yahoo.com (Ryan G.) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 09:24:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: fedora-test-list digest, Vol 1 #267 - 31 msgs In-Reply-To: <20031014142917.21438.32670.Mailman@listman.back-rdu.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20031014162455.14313.qmail@web10006.mail.yahoo.com> Hi all, long time lurker first time poster ;-) I'm having a strange problem that I'm starting to think MIGHT be fedora related. I am able to connect to the internet fine via eth dhcp but since my fedora upgrade (to test 3 .95) dialup is nonfunctional and acting very weird. Previously I was able to connect at work over the phone line just fine. It's a pctel winmodem but it has worked quite well prior to fedora (and I'm using a custom kernel not the fedora one and the same one that worked before). The modules are loaded and wvdial works, the modem dials, connects and pppd is started, ppp0 is listed by ifconfig and pppd is running. /etc/host.conf is setup to contain order hosts,bind... /etc/hosts contains 127.0.0.1 localhost ruin... similar settings are contained in /etc/sysconfig/networking/profiles... /etc/resolve.conf contians the ip addresses of my isp's nameservers... password and login names are all verified BUT I'm unable to get to any external ip addresses. I've tried pinging www.yahoo.com to test but I get a really odd error -> >From ch-tnt002.chicago.lightfirst.net (216.105.92.101) icmp_seq=0 Dest Unreachable, Bad Code: 9 over and over... the weird thing is ch-tnt002.chicago.lightfirst.net seems to be my isp's dns which is setup in /etc/resolve.conf /etc/sysconfig/networking/profiles/default/resolve.conf Here's why I think it may be related to fedora (besides the fact that things worked before upgrading), I'm unable to edit (New, Edit or Delete actually) any entry in the Hosts tab using redhat-config-network. The IP, Name and Aliases fields are blank and cannot be changed. Clicking New brings up the "Add / Edit Hosts entry" dialog box but filling in the fields and clicking ok leaves me with nothing, no changes stick. So anyway how could tcp work over ethernet via dhcp but not via dialup? I'm not a newbie but I'm very confused/frustrated by this one. Any other dialup users experience this in fedora? Or is this a problem with my configuration. Any thoughts or proposed solutions are appreciated. btw, netstat seems to indicate there is NOT a connection present. thanks a ton in advance, -ry ===== --r-- From jgeorgeson at lopht.net Tue Oct 14 16:26:43 2003 From: jgeorgeson at lopht.net (Justin Georgeson) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 11:26:43 -0500 Subject: apt vs yum References: <1066147651.4135.32.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <3F8C23C3.5080803@lopht.net> Daniel Wittenberg wrote: > Is one or the other going to be the "preferred" method besides up2date, > or are both going to continue to be supported in the free area? It > sounds like yum is the preferred method, but still lots of people using > apt, so wasn't sure. I'm thinking that the apt side hasing been as well maintained because it's a fast-changing beta situation. Freshrpms.net has a rawhide repo, I had some trouble accessing it with the fedora.us apt package though. Someone mentioned using -t to make it look at other vendors, or something. Fedora.us is working out how best to to propagate updates from redhat to it's repos. But the transisition at fedora.us will be spread out over months. From czar at czarc.net Tue Oct 14 16:27:55 2003 From: czar at czarc.net (Gene C.) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 12:27:55 -0400 Subject: redhat-config-* packages Message-ID: <200310141227.55643.czar@czarc.net> I noticed that some of the "redhat-config-*" packages have the category "SystemSetup" specified in the desktop file and some do not (eg., redhat-config-users does but redhat-config-boot does not). Without SystemSetup specified, they do not show up in the menu. Should they all have it? If they do not, do you want it bugilla'ed? -- Gene From tdiehl at rogueind.com Tue Oct 14 16:29:39 2003 From: tdiehl at rogueind.com (Tom Diehl) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 12:29:39 -0400 (EDT) Subject: apt vs yum In-Reply-To: <1066147651.4135.32.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On Tue, 14 Oct 2003, Daniel Wittenberg wrote: > Is one or the other going to be the "preferred" method besides up2date, > or are both going to continue to be supported in the free area? It > sounds like yum is the preferred method, but still lots of people using > apt, so wasn't sure. I think it is pretty much a matter of which side of the religion you wish to be on. Personally I lean toward yum but that is just me. -- ......Tom Registered Linux User #14522 http://counter.li.org tdiehl at rogueind.com My current SpamTrap -------> mtd123 at rogueind.com From rdieter at math.unl.edu Tue Oct 14 16:34:24 2003 From: rdieter at math.unl.edu (Rex Dieter) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 11:34:24 -0500 Subject: Sun J2SE 1.4.2 In-Reply-To: <20031014160010.25964.80017.Mailman@listman.back-rdu.redhat.com> References: <20031014160010.25964.80017.Mailman@listman.back-rdu.redhat.com> Message-ID: <200310141134.24433.rdieter@math.unl.edu> Gerry Tool wrote: > On Tue, 2003-10-14 at 09:25, Rex Dieter wrote: > > nosp wrote: > > > On Mon, 2003-10-13 at 14:50, Rex Dieter wrote: > > > > You can alternatively use my redhat'ized versions of the jpackage > > > > stuff: http://apt.kde-redhat.org/apt/jpackage/ > When I try to access this link, it says Permission Forbidden. How can I > use it? Oops, fixed. -- Rex From nbecker at hns.com Tue Oct 14 16:54:29 2003 From: nbecker at hns.com (Neal D. Becker) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 12:54:29 -0400 Subject: bittorrent rocks! Message-ID: <200310141254.29360.nbecker@hns.com> Just to let you know, bittorrent rocks! I got D/L at 1MB/sec, with 70% cpu spent in IO. From mandreiana at rdslink.ro Tue Oct 14 17:00:55 2003 From: mandreiana at rdslink.ro (Marius Andreiana) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 20:00:55 +0300 Subject: Evolution Hangs In-Reply-To: <1066130827.14158.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1066130827.14158.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1066150855.5038.7.camel@marte.biciclete.ro> On Ma, 2003-10-14 at 14:27, Randy Eckenrode wrote: > Has anyone else been having problems with Evolution hanging after it has > been open for a while? yes, me too, but not reproductible -- Marius Andreiana LOAD - Linux Open Alternative Days Specialist Linux, Co-organizator http://www.load.ro From paul at frields.com Tue Oct 14 17:08:25 2003 From: paul at frields.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: 14 Oct 2003 13:08:25 -0400 Subject: problems with up2date In-Reply-To: <3F8C225B.6070003@lopht.net> References: <3F8C225B.6070003@lopht.net> Message-ID: <1066151305.15005.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2003-10-14 at 12:20, Justin Georgeson wrote: > I have a fully updated system, using up2date with the rawhide yum repo > on ftp.redhat.com. I've been trying to build wine, first the 20030911 > source RPM from the winehq.com site. That fails because dockbook-utils > doesn't have docbook2pdf, so the configure script ends up literally > running `false` to generate the PDF docs. I tried aliasing docbook2pdf > to true, which worked until it tried to package things and couldn't find > half the docs. So I poked around and found a src RPM in the stable > section of fedora.us for RH 9. So I downloaded that and trying to build > it said I needed a bunch of -devel RPMs, one of them being > openssl-devel. So I tried `up2date openssl-devel`. And it just hangs at > "Testing package set / solving RPM inter-dependencies...". I've tried it > several times over the past few days. Running `up2date -uv` works just > fine though. I've never used yum by itself, is it not designed for just > grabbing one package + dependencies? > > Has anyone been able to get a wine RPM build on FC? I'm not a Wine guy, but the initial problem sounds like you don't have the docbook-utils-pdf RPM installed from your distribution. Try installing that and then addressing the next problem. HTH. -- Paul W. Frields From tack at auc.ca Tue Oct 14 17:10:25 2003 From: tack at auc.ca (Jason Tackaberry) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 13:10:25 -0400 Subject: bittorrent rocks! In-Reply-To: <200310141254.29360.nbecker@hns.com> References: <200310141254.29360.nbecker@hns.com> Message-ID: <1066151425.25095.40.camel@somewhere> On Tue, 2003-10-14 at 12:54, Neal D. Becker wrote: > I got D/L at 1MB/sec, with 70% cpu spent in IO. Your CPU spent 70% of its time handling network and file I/O at only 1MB/s? Wow. Are you using a wireless NIC perchance? Jason. -- Jason Tackaberry :: tack at auc.ca :: 705-949-2301 x330 Academic Computing Support Specialist Information Technology Services Algoma University College :: www.auc.ca From tack at auc.ca Tue Oct 14 17:10:25 2003 From: tack at auc.ca (Jason Tackaberry) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 13:10:25 -0400 Subject: bittorrent rocks! In-Reply-To: <200310141254.29360.nbecker@hns.com> References: <200310141254.29360.nbecker@hns.com> Message-ID: <1066151425.25095.40.camel@somewhere> On Tue, 2003-10-14 at 12:54, Neal D. Becker wrote: > I got D/L at 1MB/sec, with 70% cpu spent in IO. Your CPU spent 70% of its time handling network and file I/O at only 1MB/s? Wow. Are you using a wireless NIC perchance? Jason. -- Jason Tackaberry :: tack at auc.ca :: 705-949-2301 x330 Academic Computing Support Specialist Information Technology Services Algoma University College :: www.auc.ca From balay at fastmail.fm Tue Oct 14 17:03:52 2003 From: balay at fastmail.fm (Satish Balay) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 12:03:52 -0500 (CDT) Subject: apt vs yum In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, 14 Oct 2003, Tom Diehl wrote: > On Tue, 14 Oct 2003, Daniel Wittenberg wrote: > > > Is one or the other going to be the "preferred" method besides up2date, > > or are both going to continue to be supported in the free area? It > > sounds like yum is the preferred method, but still lots of people using > > apt, so wasn't sure. > > I think it is pretty much a matter of which side of the religion you wish > to be on. Personally I lean toward yum but that is just me. I think currently redhat favours yum. It is part of the core distribution (while apt is not). And it has 'yum' header stuff at ftp.redhat.com [rawhide] - which means rawhide at ALL redhat mirrors is useable from yum. Satish From dstewart at atl.lmco.com Tue Oct 14 17:14:18 2003 From: dstewart at atl.lmco.com (Douglas Stewart) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 13:14:18 -0400 Subject: 2 FCrc3 Gripes In-Reply-To: <1066150855.5038.7.camel@marte.biciclete.ro> References: <1066130827.14158.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1066150855.5038.7.camel@marte.biciclete.ro> Message-ID: <3F8C2EEA.70002@atl.lmco.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 These both occurred on a fresh rc3 install (installed over an rc2 install but with all partitions formatted). 1) It doesn't seem to remember firewall/up2date settings from the FirstBoot run. I had to manually configure the security level. This failure caused all sorts of NIS weirdness/slowness and it didn't go away until I marked eth0 as a trusted device. 2) I am unable to select a base channel under the RHN entitlements for this install. There's no link to click and nothing in the dropdown base channel selection. If anyone has any solutions (particularly to the second one), I'd be greatly appreciative. - -- - ---------- Doug Stewart Systems Administrator/Web Applications Developer Lockheed Martin Advanced Technology Labs Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/jC7qN50Q8DVvcvkRAsiCAJ9a3G8L69W3oGh3OxhurObskUzIWACeIl0L i4lkyTuoFG1xGmpRw2n7bZY= =0yhX -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From blizzard at redhat.com Tue Oct 14 17:18:39 2003 From: blizzard at redhat.com (Christopher Blizzard) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 13:18:39 -0400 Subject: gaim thrashing box after about 1hr? In-Reply-To: <1066145655.2022.37.camel@earth.xades.com> References: <1066140460.2022.28.camel@earth.xades.com> <3F8C13B3.7060107@redhat.com> <1066145655.2022.37.camel@earth.xades.com> Message-ID: <3F8C2FEF.9080906@redhat.com> nosp wrote: >On Tue, 2003-10-14 at 16:18, Christopher Blizzard wrote: > > >>What version of gaim do you have installed (rpm -q gaim will tell you.) >> >> > >Sorry, didn't include it as obviously as I could have in the first post: > >--- >Vital stats: >Fedora Core 1 Beta 2 + updates >gaim-0.70-2 >kernel-smp-2.4.22-1.2087.nptl >Logged in to IRC & Yahoo accounts only >--- > > Try updaing to 0.71, which is included now? Might be randomly fixed in that version. --Chris -- ------------ Christopher Blizzard http://people.redhat.com/blizzard/ ------------ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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So I downloaded that and trying to build >>it said I needed a bunch of -devel RPMs, one of them being >>openssl-devel. So I tried `up2date openssl-devel`. And it just hangs at >>"Testing package set / solving RPM inter-dependencies...". I've tried it >>several times over the past few days. Running `up2date -uv` works just >>fine though. I've never used yum by itself, is it not designed for just >>grabbing one package + dependencies? >> >>Has anyone been able to get a wine RPM build on FC? > > > I'm not a Wine guy, but the initial problem sounds like you don't have > the docbook-utils-pdf RPM installed from your distribution. Try > installing that and then addressing the next problem. HTH. heh, I just assumed that since docbook2html and docbook2ps were in docbook-utils, the pdf one would go in there too. Silly me. anyone have any comment on not being able to run `up2date `? Does yum not do single package installs? From bruma at email.si Tue Oct 14 17:30:16 2003 From: bruma at email.si (b r u ma) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 19:30:16 +0200 Subject: How to upgrade to a third Fedora Core test release Message-ID: <1066152615.1745.12.camel@kiklop.klopce.net> I'm running Fedora Core test 2 release. Could I upgrade to test 3 with yum (using repository http://download.fedora.us/fedora/redhat/0.95/), or should I download iso images and chose upgrade option during install process? regards bruma From jeremyp at pobox.com Tue Oct 14 17:37:07 2003 From: jeremyp at pobox.com (Jeremy Portzer) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 13:37:07 -0400 Subject: How to upgrade to a third Fedora Core test release In-Reply-To: <1066152615.1745.12.camel@kiklop.klopce.net> References: <1066152615.1745.12.camel@kiklop.klopce.net> Message-ID: <1066153026.2990.4.camel@jeremy.dtcc.cc.nc.us> Either will work just fine. Proceed however you wish. --Jeremy On Tue, 2003-10-14 at 13:30, b r u ma wrote: > I'm running Fedora Core test 2 release. Could I upgrade to test 3 with > yum (using repository http://download.fedora.us/fedora/redhat/0.95/), or > should I download iso images and chose upgrade option during install > process? > > regards bruma > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Now, when I follow the directories to get to the rpms, at http://apt.kde-redhat.org/apt/jpackage/9/RPMS.stable/, I stll get Forbidden You don't have permission to access /apt/jpackage/9/RPMS.stable/ on this server. ________________________________________________________________________ Apache/1.3.27 Server at apt.unl.edu Port 80 Gerry From barryn at pobox.com Tue Oct 14 17:45:16 2003 From: barryn at pobox.com (Barry K. Nathan) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 10:45:16 -0700 Subject: XFree86 available via yum In-Reply-To: References: <200310121635.45173.elwoo@videotron.ca> <3F89D427.7090702@wanadoo.es> Message-ID: <20031014174516.GB10427@ip68-4-255-84.oc.oc.cox.net> On Tue, Oct 14, 2003 at 03:30:24AM -0400, Mike A. Harris wrote: [snip] > make them available in both locations. Personally, I favour ftp, > as it works with commandline ncftp, etc. and I dislike using text > web browsers in place of commandline ftp clients... ;o) lftp is a command-line FTP client that supports HTTP, however :) To see this, try: lftp http://people.redhat.com/arjanv/2.5/ If you're still not convinced, change the "http" to "ftp" and watch it fail. -Barry K. Nathan From barryn at pobox.com Tue Oct 14 17:57:57 2003 From: barryn at pobox.com (Barry K. Nathan) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 10:57:57 -0700 Subject: 2 FCrc3 Gripes In-Reply-To: <3F8C2EEA.70002@atl.lmco.com> References: <1066130827.14158.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1066150855.5038.7.camel@marte.biciclete.ro> <3F8C2EEA.70002@atl.lmco.com> Message-ID: <20031014175757.GC10427@ip68-4-255-84.oc.oc.cox.net> On Tue, Oct 14, 2003 at 01:14:18PM -0400, Douglas Stewart wrote: > These both occurred on a fresh rc3 install (installed over an rc2 > install but with all partitions formatted). > > 1) It doesn't seem to remember firewall/up2date settings from the > FirstBoot run. I had to manually configure the security level. This > failure caused all sorts of NIS weirdness/slowness and it didn't go away > until I marked eth0 as a trusted device. I saw this with FC 0.94 as well, but I forgot to report it. (In my case, I checked the box to allow incoming SSH connections, but that didn't take effect.) > 2) I am unable to select a base channel under the RHN entitlements for > this install. There's no link to click and nothing in the dropdown base > channel selection. You're supposed to use yum instead of RHN for this test release, and up2date's default configuration does this. -Barry K. Nathan From jkeating at j2solutions.net Tue Oct 14 17:54:04 2003 From: jkeating at j2solutions.net (Jesse Keating) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 10:54:04 -0700 Subject: XFree86 available via yum In-Reply-To: <20031014174516.GB10427@ip68-4-255-84.oc.oc.cox.net> References: <20031014174516.GB10427@ip68-4-255-84.oc.oc.cox.net> Message-ID: <200310141054.04435.jkeating@j2solutions.net> On Tuesday 14 October 2003 10:45, Barry K. Nathan wrote: > lftp is a command-line FTP client that supports HTTP, however :) > To see this, try: lftp http://people.redhat.com/arjanv/2.5/ > If you're still not convinced, change the "http" to "ftp" and watch > it fail. Holy crap, that is very very cool! I had no idea that was possible. -- Jesse Keating RHCE MCSE (geek.j2solutions.net) Fedora Legacy Team (www.fedora.us/wiki/FedoraLegacy) Mondo DevTeam (www.mondorescue.org) GPG Public Key (geek.j2solutions.net/jkeating.j2solutions.pub) Was I helpful? Let others know: http://svcs.affero.net/rm.php?r=jkeating -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: signature URL: From glass-art at comcast.net Tue Oct 14 17:59:49 2003 From: glass-art at comcast.net (Clifford Snow) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 10:59:49 -0700 Subject: Fedora Graphic Boot process Message-ID: <1066154389.5671.11.camel@blue.comcast.net> First let me say that beta 3 looks great! Since I don't reboot often, when I installed beta 3 I noticed that the shutdown process is plan old text. It seems to me that if the boot process is going to be graphical, that the shutdown should be as well. Sort of a well balanced system. Has this been discussed already? Are there plans to change the shutdown display in the works? I know this is picky. Let's face it, how often do we really need to reboot? BTW - I'm not even too sure that I like the graphical boot. I noticed today that one of my services failed. Since it was the NTPD I probably wouldn't have noticed if I hadn't clicked on details. Thanks, Clifford glass-art at comcast.net -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From czar at czarc.net Tue Oct 14 18:00:58 2003 From: czar at czarc.net (Gene C.) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 14:00:58 -0400 Subject: How to upgrade to a third Fedora Core test release In-Reply-To: <1066152615.1745.12.camel@kiklop.klopce.net> References: <1066152615.1745.12.camel@kiklop.klopce.net> Message-ID: <200310141400.58502.czar@czarc.net> On Tuesday 14 October 2003 13:30, b r u ma wrote: > I'm running Fedora Core test 2 release. Could I upgrade to test 3 with > yum (using repository http://download.fedora.us/fedora/redhat/0.95/), or > should I download iso images and chose upgrade option during install > process? They both seem to work. However, only if you reinstall from the iso images will you test changes in the anaconda installer and firstboot. -- Gene From dstewart at atl.lmco.com Tue Oct 14 18:08:50 2003 From: dstewart at atl.lmco.com (Douglas Stewart) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 14:08:50 -0400 Subject: 2 FCrc3 Gripes In-Reply-To: <20031014175757.GC10427@ip68-4-255-84.oc.oc.cox.net> References: <1066130827.14158.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1066150855.5038.7.camel@marte.biciclete.ro> <3F8C2EEA.70002@atl.lmco.com> <20031014175757.GC10427@ip68-4-255-84.oc.oc.cox.net> Message-ID: <3F8C3BB2.1070105@atl.lmco.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Barry K. Nathan wrote: | On Tue, Oct 14, 2003 at 01:14:18PM -0400, Douglas Stewart wrote: | |>These both occurred on a fresh rc3 install (installed over an rc2 |>install but with all partitions formatted). |> |>1) It doesn't seem to remember firewall/up2date settings from the |>FirstBoot run. I had to manually configure the security level. This |>failure caused all sorts of NIS weirdness/slowness and it didn't go away |>until I marked eth0 as a trusted device. | | | I saw this with FC 0.94 as well, but I forgot to report it. (In my case, | I checked the box to allow incoming SSH connections, but that didn't | take effect.) | | |>2) I am unable to select a base channel under the RHN entitlements for |>this install. There's no link to click and nothing in the dropdown base |>channel selection. | | | You're supposed to use yum instead of RHN for this test release, and | up2date's default configuration does this. | | -Barry K. Nathan | | | -- | fedora-test-list mailing list | fedora-test-list at redhat.com | http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list Thanks for the heads up. Of note is the fact that the yum RPM on the fedora repo is broken. It still references redhat-release instead of fedora-release, so you get the "Null" error when you run "yum check-update". I'd suggest placing the correct yum RPM out there. - -- - ---------- Doug Stewart Systems Administrator/Web Applications Developer Lockheed Martin Advanced Technology Labs Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/jDuyN50Q8DVvcvkRAqVHAKCA+4J7PWnqwUc8HncItnfnI1xatwCeOqzX 4KRMI79v+8v1nOvSuIGRqlo= =RWHi -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From cmadams at hiwaay.net Tue Oct 14 18:10:53 2003 From: cmadams at hiwaay.net (Chris Adams) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 13:10:53 -0500 Subject: severn-SRPMS-disc1.iso on gatech mirror? In-Reply-To: <200310141614.h9EGElhq025225@soup.ads.apexinc.com> References: <200310141614.h9EGElhq025225@soup.ads.apexinc.com> Message-ID: <20031014181053.GC962334@hiwaay.net> Once upon a time, Jay Berkenbilt said: > If the latter, > how do we let them know? In the FTP banner message, there is the following: Contact ftpmaster at cc.gatech.edu regarding any problems. They probably just need to re-sync (I think there are some corner cases where rsync doesn't always get things right). > I downloaded the file again from mirror.hiwaay.net, and it checked out > file. Well, I guess I don't need to go check mine then. :-) -- Chris Adams Systems and Network Administrator - HiWAAY Internet Services I don't speak for anybody but myself - that's enough trouble. From dnrlinux at san.rr.com Tue Oct 14 18:11:13 2003 From: dnrlinux at san.rr.com (Don) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 11:11:13 -0700 Subject: Same firstboot bug as test 2 In-Reply-To: <1066099442.3948.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: I did not have that problem on a Toshiba Satellite S103 machine.... the install went without a hitch. There were a couple of "minor" problems (incorrect text in the "show details" while booting up... but that was it. I also did a clean install, removing/formatting all Linux partitions. Don > -----Original Message----- > From: fedora-test-list-admin at redhat.com > [mailto:fedora-test-list-admin at redhat.com]On Behalf Of Todd Booher > Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 7:54 PM > To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com > Subject: Same firstboot bug as test 2 > > > Just installed test 3 and you still lose the cursor on the firstboot > screen. The workaround is to change to terminal 1 and then back to > terminal 7 and the mouse works again. > > This was a clean install of test 3 on an IBM T30 thinkpad. > > I'll update the bug in bugzilla. > > This is definitely a showstopper for new users as they will have no > idea to switch terminals. > > Todd > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From jeremyp at pobox.com Tue Oct 14 18:16:44 2003 From: jeremyp at pobox.com (Jeremy Portzer) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 14:16:44 -0400 Subject: 2 FCrc3 Gripes In-Reply-To: <3F8C3BB2.1070105@atl.lmco.com> References: <1066130827.14158.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1066150855.5038.7.camel@marte.biciclete.ro> <3F8C2EEA.70002@atl.lmco.com> <20031014175757.GC10427@ip68-4-255-84.oc.oc.cox.net> <3F8C3BB2.1070105@atl.lmco.com> Message-ID: <1066155403.2990.10.camel@jeremy.dtcc.cc.nc.us> On Tue, 2003-10-14 at 14:08, Douglas Stewart wrote: > Barry K. Nathan wrote: > | > | > | You're supposed to use yum instead of RHN for this test release, and > | up2date's default configuration does this. > | > Thanks for the heads up. > > Of note is the fact that the yum RPM on the fedora repo is broken. It > still references redhat-release instead of fedora-release, so you get > the "Null" error when you run "yum check-update". > > I'd suggest placing the correct yum RPM out there. > The discussion is about the yum support in up2date. See the file /etc/sysconfig/rhn/sources . You do not need the yum RPM installed to use up2date's yum support. Simply use the up2date client. --Jeremy -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From mwb at nullo.neostrada.pl Tue Oct 14 18:19:31 2003 From: mwb at nullo.neostrada.pl (MWB) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 20:19:31 +0200 Subject: 2 FCrc3 Gripes In-Reply-To: <3F8C3BB2.1070105@atl.lmco.com> References: <1066130827.14158.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1066150855.5038.7.camel@marte.biciclete.ro> <3F8C2EEA.70002@atl.lmco.com> <20031014175757.GC10427@ip68-4-255-84.oc.oc.cox.net> <3F8C3BB2.1070105@atl.lmco.com> Message-ID: <1066155570.1950.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> 14-10-2003, 20:08, Douglas Stewart wrote: > Of note is the fact that the yum RPM on the fedora repo is broken. It > still references redhat-release instead of fedora-release, so you get > the "Null" error when you run "yum check-update". > > I'd suggest placing the correct yum RPM out there. /etc/yum.conf Change distroverpkg=redhat-release to distroverpkg=fedora-release -- MWB From gstool at earthlink.net Tue Oct 14 18:19:04 2003 From: gstool at earthlink.net (Gerry Tool) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 13:19:04 -0500 Subject: Fedora Graphic Boot process In-Reply-To: <1066154389.5671.11.camel@blue.comcast.net> References: <1066154389.5671.11.camel@blue.comcast.net> Message-ID: <1066155543.5896.17.camel@gstpc.earthlink.net> On Tue, 2003-10-14 at 12:59, Clifford Snow wrote: > First let me say that beta 3 looks great! > > Since I don't reboot often, when I installed beta 3 I noticed that the > shutdown process is plan old text. It seems to me that if the boot > process is going to be graphical, that the shutdown should be as well. > Sort of a well balanced system. Has this been discussed already? Are > there plans to change the shutdown display in the works? > With respect to shutdown messages, my system displays a [FAILED] result for "Shutting down console mouse services" when I reboot. Do others see this? If I bugzilla it, what component should it be listed against? Thanks, Gerry Tool From mwb at nullo.neostrada.pl Tue Oct 14 18:23:23 2003 From: mwb at nullo.neostrada.pl (MWB) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 20:23:23 +0200 Subject: 2 FCrc3 Gripes In-Reply-To: <1066155570.1950.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1066130827.14158.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1066150855.5038.7.camel@marte.biciclete.ro> <3F8C2EEA.70002@atl.lmco.com> <20031014175757.GC10427@ip68-4-255-84.oc.oc.cox.net> <3F8C3BB2.1070105@atl.lmco.com> <1066155570.1950.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1066155802.1950.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> W li??cie z wto, 14-10-2003, godz. 20:19, MWB pisze: > 14-10-2003, 20:08, Douglas Stewart wrote: > > > Of note is the fact that the yum RPM on the fedora repo is broken. It > > still references redhat-release instead of fedora-release, so you get > > the "Null" error when you run "yum check-update". > > > > I'd suggest placing the correct yum RPM out there. > > /etc/yum.conf > > Change > > distroverpkg=redhat-release > > to > > distroverpkg=fedora-release Sorry, I didnt read precisley. This comment is useless :-\ -- MWB From jkeating at j2solutions.net Tue Oct 14 18:22:13 2003 From: jkeating at j2solutions.net (Jesse Keating) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 11:22:13 -0700 Subject: Fedora Graphic Boot process In-Reply-To: <1066155543.5896.17.camel@gstpc.earthlink.net> References: <1066154389.5671.11.camel@blue.comcast.net> <1066155543.5896.17.camel@gstpc.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <200310141122.32347.jkeating@j2solutions.net> On Tuesday 14 October 2003 11:19, Gerry Tool wrote: > With respect to shutdown messages, my system displays a [FAILED] > result for "Shutting down console mouse services" when I reboot. Do > others see this? If I bugzilla it, what component should it be > listed against? gpm. -- Jesse Keating RHCE MCSE (geek.j2solutions.net) Fedora Legacy Team (www.fedora.us/wiki/FedoraLegacy) Mondo DevTeam (www.mondorescue.org) GPG Public Key (geek.j2solutions.net/jkeating.j2solutions.pub) Was I helpful? Let others know: http://svcs.affero.net/rm.php?r=jkeating -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: signature URL: From rdieter at math.unl.edu Tue Oct 14 18:36:40 2003 From: rdieter at math.unl.edu (Rex Dieter) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 13:36:40 -0500 Subject: Sun J2SE 1.4.2 In-Reply-To: <20031014181440.4334.68171.Mailman@listman.back-rdu.redhat.com> References: <20031014181440.4334.68171.Mailman@listman.back-rdu.redhat.com> Message-ID: <200310141336.40187.rdieter@math.unl.edu> Gerry Tool wrote: > On Tue, 2003-10-14 at 11:34, Rex Dieter wrote: > > Gerry Tool wrote: > > > When I try to access this link, it says Permission Forbidden. How > > > can I use it? > > > > Oops, fixed. > > That got me a web page. Now, when I follow the directories to get to > the rpms, at http://apt.kde-redhat.org/apt/jpackage/9/RPMS.stable/, I > stll get > > Forbidden Right, I'm not distributing java binary rpms (which isn't allowed by Sun's licensing terms), just nosrc.rpms like jpackage.org. -- Rex From notting at redhat.com Tue Oct 14 18:38:55 2003 From: notting at redhat.com (Bill Nottingham) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 14:38:55 -0400 Subject: Fedora Graphic Boot process In-Reply-To: <1066154389.5671.11.camel@blue.comcast.net>; from glass-art@comcast.net on Tue, Oct 14, 2003 at 10:59:49AM -0700 References: <1066154389.5671.11.camel@blue.comcast.net> Message-ID: <20031014143855.B30825@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Clifford Snow (glass-art at comcast.net) said: > Since I don't reboot often, when I installed beta 3 I noticed that the > shutdown process is plan old text. It seems to me that if the boot > process is going to be graphical, that the shutdown should be as well. > Sort of a well balanced system. Has this been discussed already? Are > there plans to change the shutdown display in the works? The current plan is to revamp the shutdown process to be much faster before worrying about GUI-izing it. (And making shutdown go faster is much easier than making startup go faster. :) ) Bill From notting at redhat.com Tue Oct 14 18:59:00 2003 From: notting at redhat.com (Bill Nottingham) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 14:59:00 -0400 Subject: i18n freeze for Fedora Core 1: Monday, Oct. 20 Message-ID: <20031014145859.C30825@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Given the schedule at: http://fedora.redhat.com/participate/schedule/ To make sure that all translations are merged OK, we'd like to make the cutoff on Monday, Oct. 20, at noon EDT (1600 UTC). Anything committed after that point may not be included. Bill From dstewart at atl.lmco.com Tue Oct 14 19:01:34 2003 From: dstewart at atl.lmco.com (Douglas Stewart) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 15:01:34 -0400 Subject: 2 FCrc3 Gripes Message-ID: <3F8C480E.7000509@atl.lmco.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Jeremy's reply-to was hosed, it appears. See my replies below Jeremy Portzer wrote: | On Tue, 2003-10-14 at 14:08, Douglas Stewart wrote: | | |>Barry K. Nathan wrote: |>| |>| |>| You're supposed to use yum instead of RHN for this test release, and |>| up2date's default configuration does this. |>| | | |>Thanks for the heads up. |> |>Of note is the fact that the yum RPM on the fedora repo is broken. It |>still references redhat-release instead of fedora-release, so you get |>the "Null" error when you run "yum check-update". |> |>I'd suggest placing the correct yum RPM out there. |> | | | The discussion is about the yum support in up2date. See the file | /etc/sysconfig/rhn/sources . | | You do not need the yum RPM installed to use up2date's yum support. | Simply use the up2date client. | | --Jeremy Except the file mentioned ships in a broken state. I have: up2date default#yum fedora-$ARCH-os http://download.fedora.us/fedora/redhat/0.94/$ARCH/yum/os all on one line. Looks like 1) someone forgot a line break before the # and 2) that up2date line should be commented out and the yum line should be valid, instead. Also, I would think you'd want to replace 0.94 with 0.95 for this release. - -- - ---------- Doug Stewart Systems Administrator/Web Applications Developer Lockheed Martin Advanced Technology Labs Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur - -- - ---------- Doug Stewart Systems Administrator/Web Applications Developer Lockheed Martin Advanced Technology Labs Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/jEgON50Q8DVvcvkRAgdOAJ4qMeO2Nn8NkGZSSybBbgG+ZmFWXACfbwdA sqymkDNybhsEktgyssdpeho= =JwtM -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From dstewart at atl.lmco.com Tue Oct 14 19:02:14 2003 From: dstewart at atl.lmco.com (Douglas Stewart) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 15:02:14 -0400 Subject: 2 FCrc3 Gripes Message-ID: <3F8C4836.8030803@atl.lmco.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 See previous message for the reason for this forward Jeremy Portzer wrote: | On Tue, 2003-10-14 at 14:08, Douglas Stewart wrote: | | |>Barry K. Nathan wrote: |>| |>| |>| You're supposed to use yum instead of RHN for this test release, and |>| up2date's default configuration does this. |>| | | |>Thanks for the heads up. |> |>Of note is the fact that the yum RPM on the fedora repo is broken. It |>still references redhat-release instead of fedora-release, so you get |>the "Null" error when you run "yum check-update". |> |>I'd suggest placing the correct yum RPM out there. |> | | | The discussion is about the yum support in up2date. See the file | /etc/sysconfig/rhn/sources . | | You do not need the yum RPM installed to use up2date's yum support. | Simply use the up2date client. | | --Jeremy Also, $ARCH would seem to be a bad idea, as my up2date adamantly refuses to find the nonexistant i686 tree. It probably should point to i386, as that's the only one in the official Fedora repo. - -- - ---------- Doug Stewart Systems Administrator/Web Applications Developer Lockheed Martin Advanced Technology Labs Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur - -- - ---------- Doug Stewart Systems Administrator/Web Applications Developer Lockheed Martin Advanced Technology Labs Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/jEguN50Q8DVvcvkRAiZiAJ9tgU2h2QwnfR0VbZNiFjFrKWK0kwCfdkrT g+rtaAHNGw4jYrwoVEjl6+Y= =Aymd -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From ryanpg at yahoo.com Tue Oct 14 19:12:20 2003 From: ryanpg at yahoo.com (Ryan G.) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 12:12:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: redhat-config-network fried (was: Re: fedora-test-list digest, Vol 1 #269 - 31 msgs) In-Reply-To: <20031014181440.4334.3933.Mailman@listman.back-rdu.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20031014191220.17085.qmail@web10001.mail.yahoo.com> Hi list, Sorry about the previous subject line ;-) >I am able to connect to the internet fine via eth dhcp but >since my fedora upgrade (to test 3 .95) dialup is nonfunctional and >acting very weird. Previously I was able to connect at work over >the phone line just fine. Now ping tells me blah blah blah "Dest Unreachable Bad Code: 9" >The modules are loaded and wvdial works, the modem dials, connects >and pppd is started, ppp0 is listed by ifconfig and pppd is running. >Here's why I think it may be related to fedora (besides the fact >that things worked before upgrading), I'm unable to edit (New, Edit >or Delete actually) any entry in the Hosts tab using >redhat-config-network. The IP, Name and Aliases fields are blank >and cannot be changed. Clicking New brings up the "Add / Edit Hosts >entry" dialog box but filling in the fields and clicking ok leaves >me with nothing, no changes stick. Here's another thing; when I attempt to activate the interface from within redhat-config-network there's a pause and then the activating network dialog dissapears. The Devices status remains "Inactive" but a quick ifconfig shows ppp0 is up. What is going on? Why am I getting Dest Unreachable? >netstat seems to indicate there is NOT a connection present. thanks again all, -ry From dnrlinux at san.rr.com Tue Oct 14 19:13:31 2003 From: dnrlinux at san.rr.com (Don) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 12:13:31 -0700 Subject: test 3 installation comments/questions In-Reply-To: <1066146485.14415.18.camel@avatar.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: Michael, I like the new install progress bar being reduced to a single "overall install bar", I agree with your comment about "visual noise" regarding individual package progress. As for displaying remaining time...... When the install starts does it know how many MBytes of "stuff" need to be installed? If not, start a thread to add it all up while the install is running... As "stuff" is installed, keep a sum of the MBytes installed so far... After some initial time (30 seconds?) calculate the install-rate (MBytes/second), and display a progress bar and time-remaining accordingly. (During that time, display "Estimating time required to install....") Periodically recalculate the install-rate to get a more accurate "average". This should provide very reasonable/accurate progress indicators regardless of the actual machine speed, and the media source etc. (i.e. just because I'm installing on a 2GHz processor with a blindly fast disk, doesn't help my sluggish ftp connection to do the install.... I'm just using that as an example to illustrate you don't always have all the information you need... some of it has to be derived/calculated (rate of install, not speed of machine) --- One thing I find with the text part of the progress, showing the package name being installed..... it flashes very fast and really doesn't provide any useful information except of course if the install hangs.... then you know which package choked. What I would like is for the package names to be displayed in a multi-line, scrollable text box so I could peruse through it at my leisure and look at specific things.... (don't automatically scroll to the bottom as items are added, hmmm, maybe a checkbox beside it?) Well, it's an idea... :-) Don Russell > -----Original Message----- > From: fedora-test-list-admin at redhat.com > [mailto:fedora-test-list-admin at redhat.com]On Behalf Of Michael Fulbright > Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 8:48 AM > To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com > Subject: Re: test 3 installation comments/questions > > > On Tue, 2003-10-14 at 08:56, Gene C. wrote: > > > 1. The "Remaining time" does not change very frequently > (15->8->6->4->2) and > > thus gives little feedback comfort. > > > You're spending way too much time watching the install. Go get something > refreshing to drink :) > > Seriously I spent a day or two profiling lots of install cases and there > is no obvious way to get the time accurate. The solution I switched to > gives a good faith initial estimate that should be within 15%. Giving > any more information is like measuring the circumference of a circle to > 2 significant digits, then reporting the the radius to 5. If you don't > thunk the estimated time to some value it will bounce up and down alot, > which was the previous behavior that was COMPLETELY wrong. The initial > time would be 3 minutes, and the install would take >10. So in that > regard I feel this is better. Its a first pass however so it can be > improved I'm sure. > > I do agree there is the issue of how do you let the user know the > installer hasn't fallen over. I got rid of the individual package > progress bar because it basically flashes left to right in about 1 > seconds for 90% of the packages and is visually noisy. Perhaps there is > another way to give intra-package feedback I haven't thought of. > > Michael Fulbright > msf at redhat.com > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From mark at mitre.org Tue Oct 14 19:13:55 2003 From: mark at mitre.org (Mark Heslep) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 15:13:55 -0400 Subject: Update or new ISOs ? In-Reply-To: <3F8B62C2.60905@speakeasy.net> References: <1066097479.2025.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <3F8B62C2.60905@speakeasy.net> Message-ID: <3F8C4AF3.50708@mitre.org> Robert L Cochran wrote: > I prefer doing network installs because they are faster and I don't > have to remember to put another CD in the drive. You can use > bootnet.img or just burn CD #1, boot from that, and specify 'linux > askmethod' at the boot: prompt. > No need to burn all of CD #1. If you want to network boot then ../images/boot.iso (a few MB) is all you need on a CD. Assuming you have CD burner access its a better choice than bootnet.img since that's size restricted to a floppy and consequently lacks the entire suite of device drivers, which in turn sends you back for a driver disk floppy .... Boot.iso has the entire game in one small (though bigger than a floppy) package. -Mark From dnrlinux at san.rr.com Tue Oct 14 19:20:38 2003 From: dnrlinux at san.rr.com (Don) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 12:20:38 -0700 Subject: bittorrent rocks! In-Reply-To: <1066151425.25095.40.camel@somewhere> Message-ID: ONLY 1MB/sec sounds fast to me..... The best rates I see only approach 300KB/Sec. Don > -----Original Message----- > From: fedora-test-list-admin at redhat.com > [mailto:fedora-test-list-admin at redhat.com]On Behalf Of Jason Tackaberry > Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 10:10 AM > To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com > Cc: rhl-beta-list at redhat.com > Subject: Re: bittorrent rocks! > > > On Tue, 2003-10-14 at 12:54, Neal D. Becker wrote: > > I got D/L at 1MB/sec, with 70% cpu spent in IO. > > Your CPU spent 70% of its time handling network and file I/O at only > 1MB/s? Wow. Are you using a wireless NIC perchance? > > Jason. > > -- > Jason Tackaberry :: tack at auc.ca :: 705-949-2301 x330 > Academic Computing Support Specialist > Information Technology Services > Algoma University College :: www.auc.ca > > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From dnrlinux at san.rr.com Tue Oct 14 19:27:09 2003 From: dnrlinux at san.rr.com (Don) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 12:27:09 -0700 Subject: Fedora Graphic Boot process In-Reply-To: <1066155543.5896.17.camel@gstpc.earthlink.net> Message-ID: I saw that message on my first shutdown, but not on any subsequent shutdowns... (I don't know what component to use) Don Russell > -----Original Message----- > From: fedora-test-list-admin at redhat.com > [mailto:fedora-test-list-admin at redhat.com]On Behalf Of Gerry Tool > Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 11:19 AM > To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com > Subject: Re: Fedora Graphic Boot process > > With respect to shutdown messages, my system displays a [FAILED] result > for "Shutting down console mouse services" when I reboot. Do others see > this? If I bugzilla it, what component should it be listed against? > > Thanks, > > Gerry Tool > > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From dnrlinux at san.rr.com Tue Oct 14 19:31:53 2003 From: dnrlinux at san.rr.com (Don) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 12:31:53 -0700 Subject: Fedora Graphic Boot process In-Reply-To: <20031014143855.B30825@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: Yes, I vote for faster, rather than prettier, shutdown. :-) If you make it really fast, it can be ugly as a Gorgon for all I care. :-) Don Russell > -----Original Message----- > From: fedora-test-list-admin at redhat.com > [mailto:fedora-test-list-admin at redhat.com]On Behalf Of Bill Nottingham > Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 11:39 AM > To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com > Subject: Re: Fedora Graphic Boot process > > > Clifford Snow (glass-art at comcast.net) said: > > Since I don't reboot often, when I installed beta 3 I noticed that the > > shutdown process is plan old text. It seems to me that if the boot > > process is going to be graphical, that the shutdown should be as well. > > Sort of a well balanced system. Has this been discussed already? Are > > there plans to change the shutdown display in the works? > > The current plan is to revamp the shutdown process to be much > faster before worrying about GUI-izing it. (And making shutdown > go faster is much easier than making startup go faster. :) ) > > Bill > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From gstool at earthlink.net Tue Oct 14 19:32:32 2003 From: gstool at earthlink.net (Gerry Tool) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 14:32:32 -0500 Subject: Fedora Graphic Boot process In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1066159952.5896.24.camel@gstpc.earthlink.net> On Tue, 2003-10-14 at 14:27, Don wrote: > I saw that message on my first shutdown, but not on any subsequent > shutdowns... > (I don't know what component to use) > > Don Russell > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: fedora-test-list-admin at redhat.com > > [mailto:fedora-test-list-admin at redhat.com]On Behalf Of Gerry Tool > > Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 11:19 AM > > To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com > > Subject: Re: Fedora Graphic Boot process > > > > With respect to shutdown messages, my system displays a [FAILED] result > > for "Shutting down console mouse services" when I reboot. Do others see > > this? If I bugzilla it, what component should it be listed against? > > I added my comment to an existing bug, 106982 which was originally filed against gpm, but is now changed by Bill Nottingham to be against initscripts. Gerry From eckenrode.8 at osu.edu Tue Oct 14 19:49:07 2003 From: eckenrode.8 at osu.edu (Randy Eckenrode) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 15:49:07 -0400 Subject: Evolution Hangs In-Reply-To: <1066150855.5038.7.camel@marte.biciclete.ro> References: <1066130827.14158.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1066150855.5038.7.camel@marte.biciclete.ro> Message-ID: <1066160947.14377.19.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2003-10-14 at 13:00, Marius Andreiana wrote: > On Ma, 2003-10-14 at 14:27, Randy Eckenrode wrote: > > Has anyone else been having problems with Evolution hanging after it has > > been open for a while? > yes, me too, but not reproductible Well, I went ahead and filed a bug[1] in the hope that someone has an ?ah-ha? moment and figures out what?s going wrong. --Randy Eckenrode [1]https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=107072 From msf at redhat.com Tue Oct 14 19:50:57 2003 From: msf at redhat.com (Michael Fulbright) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 15:50:57 -0400 Subject: test 3 installation comments/questions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1066161056.14415.38.camel@avatar.devel.redhat.com> On Tue, 2003-10-14 at 15:13, Don wrote: > Michael, > I like the new install progress bar being reduced to a single "overall > install bar", I agree with your comment about "visual noise" regarding > individual package progress. > Thanks I was getting really tired of that same old screen. Plus now marketting can thank me for all that new space for ads. To be honest I really prefer the blue look for Fedora versus the red look of traditional Red Hat stuff. What I did was setup some code (its still in anaconda commmented out) that output the elapsed time after each package was installed. Looking at this I found if you wait about 100 packages into the install and compute the average bytes/sec up to that point, divide the total number of bytes in the install by this, and then multiply by around 1.5, you could get the total install time pretty closely. Of course this assumes that the ftp connection doesn't slow down, etc. I compute the remaining time as the remaining bytes divided by the average bytes/sec for the install. I then average this over the last 10 packages. This settles down the number somewhat. Finally I round the number up to a 5 minute boundary for time greater than 10 minutes, and a 2 minute boundary for less than 10 minutes. All of this gives a reasonably monotonic sequences of remaining time that is close enough you'll know if you have time to go grab a sandwich or not. I haven't really tried this with upgrades so I don't know how accurate the timing is in that case. The difference is we turn off some db syncing for installs, since if the install blows up we don't care if the rpm database is intact. On upgrades we turn on some paranoid stuff so if the install breaks your rpm db has some chance of being intact. This slows things down in a way that could affect the timing. If anyone wants to experiment with this for their class project let me know. I don't really want to look at it ever again :) Michael Fulbright msf at redhat.com From shanson at cruiskeen.com Tue Oct 14 19:52:54 2003 From: shanson at cruiskeen.com (Steve Hanson) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 14:52:54 -0500 Subject: Test 3 install from USB cdrom drive Message-ID: <3F8C5416.90100@cruiskeen.com> I'm attempting to install test 3 on an IBM 240 with an Iomega external CDRW drive. This is failing miserably. Things go along okay, can do a media check and that's fine. System asks me for language, keyboard, media information. It then says it is loading the usb storage driver, followed by saying that there are no appropriate devices for install. Occasionally it instead starts trying to start the install, but then says it is getting bad magic from cpio. Anyone else seeing this? I did file a bug report. This combination of hardware installed just fine (booting from floppy ) on redhat 8 and 9. From eric at interplas.com Tue Oct 14 19:52:23 2003 From: eric at interplas.com (Eric Wood) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 15:52:23 -0400 Subject: Severn Beta3 bombed during upgrade Message-ID: <008801c3928c$af959b40$9100000a@intgrp.com> Doing an Upgrade to RH, the system did a sudden shutdown during the dependancy resolving phase - even though there were no obvious errors. This is a the last notes on virtual console 3: ...... * moving (1) to step checkdeps * moving (1) to step confirmupgrade * moving (1) to step install * moving (1) to step migratefilesystems * moving (1) to step preinstallconfig * moving (1) to step installpackages I guess this is a hint to do a fresh install! ;-) -eric wood From dstewart at atl.lmco.com Tue Oct 14 19:56:02 2003 From: dstewart at atl.lmco.com (Douglas Stewart) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 15:56:02 -0400 (EDT) Subject: 2 FCrc3 Gripes Message-ID: In addition to the messiness of the up2date config file, I'm also getting this message once I've fixed the config: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/share/rhn/up2date_client/gui.py", line 1368, in onChannelsPageNext self.pkgList = self.pList.getPackagesToInstall() File "/usr/share/rhn/up2date_client/packageList.py", line 519, in getPackagesToInstall result = self.__skipPackages(result) File "/usr/share/rhn/up2date_client/packageList.py", line 548, in __skipPackages packageList = self.__skipFiles(packageList) File "/usr/share/rhn/up2date_client/packageList.py", line 569, in __skipFiles ignoreMsgCallback = self.ignoreMsgCallback) File "/usr/share/rhn/up2date_client/packageList.py", line 608, in buildHeaderList hdr = headerList[pkg] File "/usr/share/rhn/up2date_client/headers.py", line 37, in __getitem__ self.__retrievePackage(item) File "/usr/share/rhn/up2date_client/headers.py", line 42, in __retrievePackage hdr, sourceType = rpcServer.doCall(self.repos.getHeader, item) File "/usr/share/rhn/up2date_client/rpcServer.py", line 109, in doCall ret = apply(method, args, kwargs) File "/usr/share/rhn/up2date_client/repoDirector.py", line 31, in getHeader return self.handlers[channel['type']].getHeader(pkg, msgCallback, progressCallback) File "/usr/share/rhn/up2date_client/rpmSource.py", line 210, in getHeader header = source.getHeader(pkg, progressCallback = progressCallback) File "/usr/share/rhn/up2date_client/repoBackends/yumRepo.py", line 94, in getHeader hdrBuf = fh.read() File "/usr/lib/python2.2/gzip.py", line 156, in read self._read(readsize) File "/usr/lib/python2.2/gzip.py", line 198, in _read self._read_gzip_header() File "/usr/lib/python2.2/gzip.py", line 110, in _read_gzip_header raise IOError, 'Not a gzipped file' IOError: Not a gzipped file Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/share/rhn/up2date_client/gui.py", line 1447, in onSkippedPagePrepare And up2date stalls on retrieving kudzu-devel headers. Any idea what's going on here? ---------- Doug Stewart Systems Administrator/Web Applications Developer Lockheed Martin Advanced Technology Labs Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur From steve at rueb.com Tue Oct 14 19:58:07 2003 From: steve at rueb.com (Steve Bergman) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 14:58:07 -0500 Subject: Fedora Graphic Boot process In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1066161486.4544.44.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2003-10-14 at 14:31, Don wrote: > Yes, I vote for faster, rather than prettier, shutdown. :-) > > If you make it really fast, it can be ugly as a Gorgon for all I care. :-) > And start up, too. SCO Open Server has parallelized the start up of services for years. (i.e. if Open Server of all things, can do it, why can't Linux?) Any chance of something like: http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-boot.html?ca=dgr-lnxw04BootFaster or something similar making it into Fedora Core? From davidgn at servidor.unam.mx Tue Oct 14 19:58:36 2003 From: davidgn at servidor.unam.mx (davidgn at servidor.unam.mx) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 14:58:36 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Fedora Graphic Boot process In-Reply-To: <1066161486.4544.44.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1066161486.4544.44.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1066161516.3f8c556cd68d0@www.correo.unam.mx> Quoting Steve Bergman : > On Tue, 2003-10-14 at 14:31, Don wrote: > > Yes, I vote for faster, rather than prettier, shutdown. :-) > > > > If you make it really fast, it can be ugly as a Gorgon for all I care. > :-) > > > > And start up, too. SCO Open Server has parallelized the start up of > services for years. (i.e. if Open Server of all things, can do it, why > can't Linux?) Because that would be infringing on their IP maybe? ;) ------------------------------------------------- Obt?n tu correo en www.correo.unam.mx UNAMonos Comunic?ndonos From dee at renaissoft.com Tue Oct 14 20:24:02 2003 From: dee at renaissoft.com (Dee-Ann LeBlanc) Date: 14 Oct 2003 13:24:02 -0700 Subject: Unable to set up OpenOffice.org 1.1 Message-ID: <1066163041.5317.488.camel@localhost.localdomain> When I run the OOo setup program, whether as root or an individual user, I encounter so many errors during the file placement phase that I'm unwilling to keep clicking Retry or Ignore to see how long it takes me to get through. It becomes just about impossible around the 79% mark. Is anyone else encountering this problem? -- Dee-Ann LeBlanc, RHCE Lots of things Linux http://www.Dee-AnnLeBlanc.com/ From ryanden at lanset.com Wed Oct 15 00:43:07 2003 From: ryanden at lanset.com (Ryan Denlinger) Date: 14 Oct 2003 20:43:07 -0400 Subject: bugs from RH9 still in Fedora? Message-ID: <1066178503.3221.33.camel@ryan> Hello all, I'm currently using Red Hat Linux 9, and I'd like to know if Fedora Core developers are combing the Bugzilla database of bugs for open bugs from RHL which need to be fixed? I can think of a few... I don't care if a bug is "a nautilus issue," or it's a "gnome issue" which has nothing to do with Fedora. The code's open, so Fedora developers can still fix those bugs. Thanks, Ryan From forrestx.taylor at intel.com Tue Oct 14 20:55:20 2003 From: forrestx.taylor at intel.com (Taylor, ForrestX) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 13:55:20 -0700 Subject: Release Notes (was: Re: Experiences with severn test3) References: <63463.193.110.58.52.1066136496.squirrel@rabin.hdsnet.hu> <1066138122.2658.1.camel@jeremy.dtcc.cc.nc.us> Message-ID: <3F8C62B8.3090003@intel.com> Jeremy Portzer wrote: > On Tue, 2003-10-14 at 09:01, M??ller Mikl??s wrote: > > >>b) the graphical boot is nice, but it should somehow recognize >>if the console is waiting for user interaction such as kudzu >>and switch to detailed mode otherwise users might miss something >>important at boot. > > > If you check the release notes, you'll see that this is a known bug and > is being worked on. Speaking of release notes, what happened to the RELEASE-NOTES in test3? I cannot find them anywhere. Forrest From ed at redhat.com Tue Oct 14 20:58:19 2003 From: ed at redhat.com (Edward C. Bailey) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 16:58:19 -0400 Subject: test 3 installation comments/questions In-Reply-To: <1066146485.14415.18.camel@avatar.devel.redhat.com> (Michael Fulbright's message of "Tue, 14 Oct 2003 11:48:05 -0400") References: <200310140856.16437.czar@czarc.net> <1066146485.14415.18.camel@avatar.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: >>>>> "msf" == Michael Fulbright writes: ... msf> I do agree there is the issue of how do you let the user know the msf> installer hasn't fallen over. I got rid of the individual package msf> progress bar because it basically flashes left to right in about 1 msf> seconds for 90% of the packages and is visually noisy. Perhaps there msf> is another way to give intra-package feedback I haven't thought of. All it needs to be is some sort of throbber that's tickled by the individual packages' "percent-installed" indicator. Cycle the color map on a chunk of screen real estate, move a second hand around the face of a stopwatch, whatever -- it just needs to show some sign of life as each package install proceeds... Ed -- Ed Bailey Red Hat, Inc. http://www.redhat.com/ From xose at wanadoo.es Tue Oct 14 21:02:06 2003 From: xose at wanadoo.es (Xose Vazquez Perez) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 23:02:06 +0200 Subject: Release Notes (was: Re: Experiences with severn test3) References: <63463.193.110.58.52.1066136496.squirrel@rabin.hdsnet.hu> <1066138122.2658.1.camel@jeremy.dtcc.cc.nc.us> <3F8C62B8.3090003@intel.com> Message-ID: <3F8C644E.4030807@wanadoo.es> Taylor, ForrestX wrote: > Speaking of release notes, what happened to the RELEASE-NOTES in test3? > I cannot find them anywhere. RH technical problems ;-) Fedora Core 0.95 Release Notes is here http://fedora.redhat.com/docs/release-notes/ -- Software is like sex, it's better when it's bug free. From notting at redhat.com Tue Oct 14 21:03:35 2003 From: notting at redhat.com (Bill Nottingham) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 17:03:35 -0400 Subject: Release Notes (was: Re: Experiences with severn test3) In-Reply-To: <3F8C62B8.3090003@intel.com>; from forrestx.taylor@intel.com on Tue, Oct 14, 2003 at 01:55:20PM -0700 References: <63463.193.110.58.52.1066136496.squirrel@rabin.hdsnet.hu> <1066138122.2658.1.camel@jeremy.dtcc.cc.nc.us> <3F8C62B8.3090003@intel.com> Message-ID: <20031014170335.B28884@devserv.devel.redhat.com> > > If you check the release notes, you'll see that this is a known bug and > > is being worked on. > > Speaking of release notes, what happened to the RELEASE-NOTES in test3? > I cannot find them anywhere. We broke it. Will be fixed. Bill From paul at frields.com Tue Oct 14 21:04:43 2003 From: paul at frields.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 17:04:43 -0400 Subject: Release Notes (was: Re: Experiences with severn test3) In-Reply-To: <3F8C62B8.3090003@intel.com> References: <63463.193.110.58.52.1066136496.squirrel@rabin.hdsnet.hu> <1066138122.2658.1.camel@jeremy.dtcc.cc.nc.us> <3F8C62B8.3090003@intel.com> Message-ID: <1066165483.14486.2.camel@bettie.internal.frields.org> On Tue, 2003-10-14 at 16:55, Taylor, ForrestX wrote: > Speaking of release notes, what happened to the RELEASE-NOTES in test3? > I cannot find them anywhere. Asked and answered earlier... you can look it up in the archives at http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/2003-October/msg01418.html -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE From dnrlinux at san.rr.com Tue Oct 14 21:05:09 2003 From: dnrlinux at san.rr.com (Don) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 14:05:09 -0700 Subject: test 3 installation comments/questions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: That's what the light on my disk drive does..... I don't consider the install hung unless all disk activity has stopped too.... What I want during the install is a reasonably accurate estimate of the remaining time... and then I want it to pop up a good game of "pong" so I have something to do before swapping out CDs. ;-) Don > -----Original Message----- > From: fedora-test-list-admin at redhat.com > [mailto:fedora-test-list-admin at redhat.com]On Behalf Of Edward C. Bailey > Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 1:58 PM > To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com > Subject: Re: test 3 installation comments/questions > > > >>>>> "msf" == Michael Fulbright writes: > ... > msf> I do agree there is the issue of how do you let the user know the > msf> installer hasn't fallen over. I got rid of the individual package > msf> progress bar because it basically flashes left to right in about 1 > msf> seconds for 90% of the packages and is visually noisy. Perhaps there > msf> is another way to give intra-package feedback I haven't thought of. > > All it needs to be is some sort of throbber that's tickled by the > individual packages' "percent-installed" indicator. Cycle the > color map on > a chunk of screen real estate, move a second hand around the face of a > stopwatch, whatever -- it just needs to show some sign of life as each > package install proceeds... > > Ed > -- > Ed Bailey Red Hat, Inc. http://www.redhat.com/ > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From sopwith at redhat.com Tue Oct 14 21:05:13 2003 From: sopwith at redhat.com (Elliot Lee) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 17:05:13 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Release Notes (was: Re: Experiences with severn test3) In-Reply-To: <3F8C62B8.3090003@intel.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 14 Oct 2003, Taylor, ForrestX wrote: > Speaking of release notes, what happened to the RELEASE-NOTES in test3? > I cannot find them anywhere. bugzilla # 106983 My goof. Sorry about that, -- Elliot Millions long for immortality who do not know what to do with themselves on a rainy Sunday afternoon. From ed at redhat.com Tue Oct 14 21:13:09 2003 From: ed at redhat.com (Edward C. Bailey) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 17:13:09 -0400 Subject: test 3 installation comments/questions In-Reply-To: (dnrlinux@san.rr.com's message of "Tue, 14 Oct 2003 14:05:09 -0700") References: Message-ID: >>>>> "Don" == Don writes: Don> That's what the light on my disk drive does..... I don't consider the Don> install hung unless all disk activity has stopped too.... Not all situations have an easily-viewable drive activity led... :-) Ed -- Ed Bailey Red Hat, Inc. http://www.redhat.com/ From linuxnow at newtral.org Tue Oct 14 22:14:48 2003 From: linuxnow at newtral.org (Pau Aliagas) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 00:14:48 +0200 (CEST) Subject: xml-rpc in php Message-ID: Will the xml-rpc packge be enabled by default in Fedora's final release? I have to keep my RPMS manually built just to include it. Pau From dnrlinux at san.rr.com Tue Oct 14 21:27:31 2003 From: dnrlinux at san.rr.com (Don) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 14:27:31 -0700 Subject: test 3 installation comments/questions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Yes, that's true... What I'd really like... is the time remaining until the next CD (human intervention) is needed, or "time line marks" on the overall progress bar to show "media progress".... But I can see that being a real challenge because you need to know which packages are being installed from which CDs... hmmm, it must do something like that now because prior to starting the install it tells me I need the following CDs... (1&2 for a basic workstation) BTW, I really like that touch.... though the message preceding it lies about it being the last chance to quit the install... after you say Yes, I'm sure, proceed... it pops that up saying you need these disks... and gives to ANOTHER chance to say "never mind"... How about combing that into one screen? Don > -----Original Message----- > From: fedora-test-list-admin at redhat.com > [mailto:fedora-test-list-admin at redhat.com]On Behalf Of Edward C. Bailey > Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 2:13 PM > To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com > Subject: Re: test 3 installation comments/questions > > > >>>>> "Don" == Don writes: > > Don> That's what the light on my disk drive does..... I don't > consider the > Don> install hung unless all disk activity has stopped too.... > > Not all situations have an easily-viewable drive activity led... :-) > > Ed > -- > Ed Bailey Red Hat, Inc. http://www.redhat.com/ > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From jwendel at fnmoc.navy.mil Tue Oct 14 21:52:42 2003 From: jwendel at fnmoc.navy.mil (John Wendel) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 14:52:42 -0700 Subject: test 3 installation comments/questions In-Reply-To: References: <200310140856.16437.czar@czarc.net> <1066146485.14415.18.camel@avatar.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20031014145242.1acd5f09.jwendel@fnmoc.navy.mil> On Tue, 14 Oct 2003 16:58:19 -0400 -- "Edward C. Bailey" wrote: > All it needs to be is some sort of throbber that's tickled by the > individual packages' "percent-installed" indicator. Cycle the color map on > a chunk of screen real estate, move a second hand around the face of a > stopwatch, whatever -- it just needs to show some sign of life as each > package install proceeds... > > Ed > -- > Ed Bailey Red Hat, Inc. http://www.redhat.com/ This is just begging for a "Dancing Penguin"! Sorry to lower the S/N ratio. -- John Wendel From admin at cs.montana.edu Tue Oct 14 22:02:24 2003 From: admin at cs.montana.edu (Lucas Albers) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 16:02:24 -0600 (MDT) Subject: test 3 installation comments/questions In-Reply-To: References: <200310140856.16437.czar@czarc.net><1066146485.14415.18.camel@avatar.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <2478.153.90.196.197.1066168944.squirrel@www.cs.montana.edu> upgraded from rc1 to rc3 today. Worked great. The original kernel I used on rc1 had problems initializing the raid but this kernel is working superb. kernel-2.4.22-1.2088.nptl Seems to be a lot faster. I am using it as our local fedora/freshrpms mirror, so people complain when it crashes. This used to be a common occurence. I enabled the exec-shield items --luke From dnrlinux at san.rr.com Tue Oct 14 22:08:17 2003 From: dnrlinux at san.rr.com (Don) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 15:08:17 -0700 Subject: test 3 installation comments/questions In-Reply-To: <20031014145242.1acd5f09.jwendel@fnmoc.navy.mil> Message-ID: Dancing penguin... I love it! laughing.... it could reach behind itself and hand out the next cd ... that would be too funny.... (As for S/N ratio... if it's not fun, why do it?) > -----Original Message----- > > All it needs to be is some sort of throbber that's tickled by the > > individual packages' "percent-installed" indicator. Cycle the > color map on > > a chunk of screen real estate, move a second hand around the face of a > > stopwatch, whatever -- it just needs to show some sign of life as each > > package install proceeds... > > > > Ed > > -- > > Ed Bailey Red Hat, Inc. http://www.redhat.com/ > > > > This is just begging for a "Dancing Penguin"! > > Sorry to lower the S/N ratio. > > -- > > John Wendel From jaap_haitsma at zonnet.nl Tue Oct 14 22:24:38 2003 From: jaap_haitsma at zonnet.nl (Jaap A. Haitsma) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 00:24:38 +0200 Subject: Up2date yum rawhide channel says that all updates are 0kB Message-ID: <3F8C77A6.9090305@zonnet.nl> I noticed since the up2date channel has changed to the yum rawhide channel that when up2date presents you the list of all packages that can be upgraded it says that all packages are 0kB. Anybody else seeing it? Is this a bug or just a "feature" of yum? Jaap From jaap_haitsma at zonnet.nl Tue Oct 14 22:26:36 2003 From: jaap_haitsma at zonnet.nl (Jaap A. Haitsma) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 00:26:36 +0200 Subject: Preferences / Preferred Applications does not work properly Message-ID: <3F8C781C.5010303@zonnet.nl> If I try to set my preferred web browser to a custom one (I want to set it to firebird) I see that Preferred applications does not keep this setting. When I launch the Preferred apps app again both radio button of select web browser and custom web browser are disabled and in grey. Same thing happens when I try to select my custom mail reader. When I change between the listed web browsers (in my case lynx and links) preferred applications is saving this correctly but if I then for example launch the RHN website from rhn_applet it always use links even if I selected lynx Anybody else seeing this? Or should I do something else to get this working Jaap From rshaw5 at midsouth.rr.com Tue Oct 14 22:52:12 2003 From: rshaw5 at midsouth.rr.com (rshaw5 at midsouth.rr.com) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 17:52:12 -0500 Subject: Pause at kernel boot Message-ID: <23b14f238b9f.238b9f23b14f@columbus.rr.com> Well, I don't have a drive connected to the second SATA channel, so basicly it's timing out waiting for a response to a drive that doesn't exist? Is there a way to tell it to stop looking for a drive there? Thanks, Richard ----- Original Message ----- From: DAVID BALAZIC Date: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 3:06 am Subject: Re: Pause at kernel boot > Richard Shaw wrote: > > >No, its only about 10 or 15 seconds, just enough to be annoying > but not > >bad enough to be a show stopper. I guess I'll just wait for 0.95 > since>up2date stopped working with out some work-a-rounds. > > > >Another question, how does it label drives? Because I have a standard > >ATA-133 primary and secondary (a/b/c/d) and two SATA channels > which are > >only one drive each, (e/f). Which the SATA drive is labeled > correctly as > >"e". How does it get to "g"? > > A SATA channel is two units (hde/hdf and hdg/hdh), at least in > software,even if really only one unit can be connected. > Backward compatibility and stuff... > > > > >Richard > > > >On Mon, 2003-10-13 at 07:36, DAVID BALAZIC wrote: > >> From: Richard Shaw > >> > >> >I just installed severn 2 on my ASUS A7N8X-Deluxe and I have a > strange>> >pause when booting. I'm using a 120GB SATA Maxtor drive > with the Silicon > >> >Image SiI3112 onboard SATA. I've included the part of dmesg > that applies > >> >along with where the pause is. > >> > >> Is the pause 30 seconds long ? > >> Then the kernel is just trying to detect hdg, and when there is > no response, > >> it concludes that there is no drive attached. > >> > >> The pause could be shortened. > >> I have the same SiI 3112 SATA controller and noticed the same > thing.>> As I have no SATA drives, I have 2x30 seconds of pause, > 30 seconds > >> for each channel. The driver author ( Andre Hedrcik, IIRC ) said > >> that he might shorten it down ,"when he has time" :-) > >> > >> > >> >Thanks, > >> > > >> >Richard > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> >Uniform Multi-Platform E-IDE driver Revision: 7.00beta4-2.4 > >> >ide: Assuming 33MHz system bus speed for PIO modes; override with > >> >idebus=xx > >> >NFORCE2: IDE controller at PCI slot 00:09.0 > >> >NFORCE2: chipset revision 162 > >> >NFORCE2: not 100% native mode: will probe irqs later > >> >AMD_IDE: nVidia Corporation nForce2 IDE (rev a2) UDMA100 > controller on > >> >pci00:09.0 > >> > ide0: BM-DMA at 0xf000-0xf007, BIOS settings: hda:DMA, hdb:DMA > >> > ide1: BM-DMA at 0xf008-0xf00f, BIOS settings: hdc:DMA, hdd:DMA > >> >SiI3112 Serial ATA: IDE controller at PCI slot 01:0b.0 > >> >SiI3112 Serial ATA: chipset revision 2 > >> >SiI3112 Serial ATA: not 100% native mode: will probe irqs later > >> > ide2: MMIO-DMA , BIOS settings: hde:pio, hdf:pio > >> > ide3: MMIO-DMA , BIOS settings: hdg:pio, hdh:pio > >> >hdb: C/H/S=20510/81/100 from BIOS ignored > >> >hda: PLEXTOR CD-R PX-W2410A, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive > >> >hdb: IOMEGA ZIP 250 ATAPI, ATAPI FLOPPY drive > >> >hdb: set_drive_speed_status: status=0x51 { DriveReady > SeekComplete Error > >> >} > >> >hdb: set_drive_speed_status: error=0x04 > >> >ide0: Drive 1 didn't accept speed setting. Oh, well. > >> >hdc: Pioneer DVD-ROM ATAPIModel DVD-115 0133, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM > drive>> >hde: Maxtor 6Y120M0, ATA DISK drive > >> >blk: queue c0407118, I/O limit 4095Mb (mask 0xffffffff) > >> >*** Pauses Here *** > >> >hdg: no response (status = 0xfe) > >> >ide0 at 0x1f0-0x1f7,0x3f6 on irq 14 > >> >ide1 at 0x170-0x177,0x376 on irq 15 > >> >ide2 at 0xe0815080-0xe0815087,0xe081508a on irq 11 > >> >hde: attached ide-disk driver. > >> >hde: host protected area => 1 > >> >hde: 240121728 sectors (122942 MB) w/7936KiB Cache, > CHS=238216/16/63>> >hdb: attached ide-floppy driver. > >> >hdb: 98304kB, 196608 blocks, 512 sector size > >> >hdb: 98304kB, 96/64/32 CHS, 4096 kBps, 512 sector size, 2941 rpm > >> >Partition check: > >> > hdb: hdb4 > >> > hde: [PTBL] [14946/255/63] hde1 hde2 hde3 hde4 < hde5 hde6 > > >> >ide: late registration of driver. > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> >-- > >> >fedora-test-list mailing list > >> >fedora-test-list at redhat.com > >> >http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > > > > >-- > >fedora-test-list mailing list > >fedora-test-list at redhat.com > >http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > -- > David Balazic > E-mail : david.balazic at uni-mb.si | living in sLOVEnija > home page: http://surf.to/stein > -- > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > From alan at clueserver.org Tue Oct 14 21:35:10 2003 From: alan at clueserver.org (Alan) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 14:35:10 -0700 Subject: Fedora 9.0.95 refuses to install Message-ID: <1066167310.9857.22.camel@zontar.clueserver.org> I have a P-III 750 with an i810 graphics card on the motherboard. It hits Anaconda probing for devices and sits and spins. 9.0.94 installs correctly, but later claims irq and dma problems on the cd-rom drive. (The install had no problems.) Turning off dma on the cd-rom drive does not get rid of the dma error messages either. (Which is weird.) Ideas? -- alan at clueserver.org - alan at ctrl-alt-del.com "...new-fangled and artificial treasons have been the great engines by which violent factions, the natural offspring of free government, have usually wreaked their alternate malignity on each other...." - James Madison in The Federalist No. 43, From mandreiana at rdslink.ro Tue Oct 14 23:00:50 2003 From: mandreiana at rdslink.ro (Marius Andreiana) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 02:00:50 +0300 Subject: bugs from RH9 still in Fedora? In-Reply-To: <1066178503.3221.33.camel@ryan> References: <1066178503.3221.33.camel@ryan> Message-ID: <1066172449.5051.8.camel@marte.biciclete.ro> On Mi, 2003-10-15 at 03:43, Ryan Denlinger wrote: > I'm currently using Red Hat Linux 9, and I'd like to know if Fedora Core > developers are combing the Bugzilla database of bugs for open bugs from > RHL which need to be fixed? I can think of a few... I don't care if a > bug is "a nautilus issue," or it's a "gnome issue" which has nothing to > do with Fedora. The code's open, so Fedora developers can still fix > those bugs. you just said it: "the code is open". You can fix them too. If you don't have time/skills for it, you can pay me to do it. If that won't work too, please propose other ways to solve them. -- Marius Andreiana LOAD - Linux Open Alternative Days Specialist Linux, Co-organizator http://www.load.ro From ByteEnable at austin.rr.com Tue Oct 14 23:42:38 2003 From: ByteEnable at austin.rr.com (ByteEnable) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 18:42:38 -0500 Subject: Unable to set up OpenOffice.org 1.1 In-Reply-To: <1066163041.5317.488.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1066163041.5317.488.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1066174958.3753.4.camel@ByteEnable> On Tue, 2003-10-14 at 15:24, Dee-Ann LeBlanc wrote: > When I run the OOo setup program, whether as root or an individual user, > I encounter so many errors during the file placement phase that I'm > unwilling to keep clicking Retry or Ignore to see how long it takes me > to get through. It becomes just about impossible around the 79% mark. > > Is anyone else encountering this problem? I noticed that after the install of Test 3, the menus had no openoffice items. So, I just ran ooffice and it created the menu items and runs just fine. Byte From grant at tuins.ac.jp Tue Oct 14 23:45:57 2003 From: grant at tuins.ac.jp (rg) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 08:45:57 +0900 Subject: login screen and start-up screen screenshots In-Reply-To: <1066178503.3221.33.camel@ryan> References: <1066178503.3221.33.camel@ryan> Message-ID: <3F8C8AB5.7030403@tuins.ac.jp> Need screenshots of the login screen and graphical start-up screens. Is it possible to take screenshots of those or where can I access them? ralston From hoyt at cavtel.net Tue Oct 14 23:51:25 2003 From: hoyt at cavtel.net (HoytDuff) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 19:51:25 -0400 Subject: strange things are going on in the world Message-ID: <200310141951.25955.hoyt@cavtel.net> The message "strange things are going on in the world" showed up in my terminal window (Fedora Core 0.94) while running Synaptic from FreshRPMs.net. Prank? Bug? Hacked? -- Hoyt From cochranb at speakeasy.net Tue Oct 14 23:48:09 2003 From: cochranb at speakeasy.net (Robert L Cochran) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 19:48:09 -0400 Subject: Up2date yum rawhide channel says that all updates are 0kB In-Reply-To: <3F8C77A6.9090305@zonnet.nl> References: <3F8C77A6.9090305@zonnet.nl> Message-ID: <3F8C8B39.6010903@speakeasy.net> When you use up2date's GUI interface, it not only says they are 0kb, it tells you the package has already been downloaded when it obviously has not been. Also, the GUI checks the GPG signature of a downloaded package and gives you the choice of continuuing with the update or not. This happens with each and every package downloaded. This rapidly becomes annoying. There should be a 'yes to all' option. Bob Jaap A. Haitsma wrote: > I noticed since the up2date channel has changed to the yum rawhide > channel that when up2date presents you the list of all packages that can > be upgraded it says that all packages are 0kB. Anybody else seeing it? > Is this a bug or just a "feature" of yum? > > Jaap > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > -- Bob Cochran Greenbelt, Maryland, USA http://greenbeltcomputer.biz/ From cochranb at speakeasy.net Tue Oct 14 23:51:26 2003 From: cochranb at speakeasy.net (Robert L Cochran) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 19:51:26 -0400 Subject: Release Notes In-Reply-To: <3F8C62B8.3090003@intel.com> References: <63463.193.110.58.52.1066136496.squirrel@rabin.hdsnet.hu> <1066138122.2658.1.camel@jeremy.dtcc.cc.nc.us> <3F8C62B8.3090003@intel.com> Message-ID: <3F8C8BFE.30204@speakeasy.net> I did a clean install of Severn 3 and the release notes show up in HTML format when you start Mozilla. Taylor, ForrestX wrote: > Jeremy Portzer wrote: > >> On Tue, 2003-10-14 at 09:01, M??ller Mikl??s wrote: >> >> >>> b) the graphical boot is nice, but it should somehow recognize >>> if the console is waiting for user interaction such as kudzu >>> and switch to detailed mode otherwise users might miss something >>> important at boot. >> >> >> >> If you check the release notes, you'll see that this is a known bug and >> is being worked on. > > > Speaking of release notes, what happened to the RELEASE-NOTES in test3? > I cannot find them anywhere. > > Forrest > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > -- Bob Cochran Greenbelt, Maryland, USA http://greenbeltcomputer.biz/ From nosp at xades.com Tue Oct 14 23:59:47 2003 From: nosp at xades.com (nosp) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 00:59:47 +0100 Subject: gaim thrashing box after about 1hr? In-Reply-To: <3F8C2FEF.9080906@redhat.com> References: <1066140460.2022.28.camel@earth.xades.com> <3F8C13B3.7060107@redhat.com> <1066145655.2022.37.camel@earth.xades.com> <3F8C2FEF.9080906@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1066175987.8673.1.camel@earth.xades.com> On Tue, 2003-10-14 at 18:18, Christopher Blizzard wrote: > Try updaing to 0.71, which is included now? Might be randomly fixed > in that version. Upgraded but problem still persists...same symptoms...what next? From andre at bwh.harvard.edu Tue Oct 14 23:59:37 2003 From: andre at bwh.harvard.edu (Andre Robatino) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 19:59:37 -0400 (EDT) Subject: strange things are going on in the world In-Reply-To: <200310141951.25955.hoyt@cavtel.net> from "HoytDuff" at Oct 14, 2003 07:51:25 PM Message-ID: <200310142359.h9ENxbb24431@garfield.bwh.harvard.edu> > > The message "strange things are going on in the world" showed up in my > terminal window (Fedora Core 0.94) while running Synaptic from FreshRPMs.net. > > Prank? > Bug? > Hacked? > > -- > Hoyt From a Google search on "strange things are going on in the world": http://mail.gnu.org/archive/html/synaptic-devel/2003-08/msg00028.html From pp at ee.oulu.fi Wed Oct 15 00:21:51 2003 From: pp at ee.oulu.fi (Pekka Pietikainen) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 03:21:51 +0300 Subject: Fedora Graphic Boot process In-Reply-To: References: <20031014143855.B30825@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20031015002151.GA28359@ee.oulu.fi> On Tue, Oct 14, 2003 at 12:31:53PM -0700, Don wrote: > Yes, I vote for faster, rather than prettier, shutdown. :-) > > If you make it really fast, it can be ugly as a Gorgon for all I care. :-) halt -f Oh, you wanted a safe shutdown that unmounts all your disks and all that nonsense. Never mind... -- Pekka "wall 'maintenance in 5 mins'; sleep 5; shutdown -rf now" Pietikainen From redhat-jc at insight.rr.com Wed Oct 15 00:44:01 2003 From: redhat-jc at insight.rr.com (Jim Cornette) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 20:44:01 -0400 Subject: Fedora Test 3 First Impressions In-Reply-To: <1066136779.12433.4.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> References: <1066136779.12433.4.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> Message-ID: <3F8C9851.4040002@insight.rr.com> Christopher A. Williams wrote: > Only have a sec cause I have to go to work, but here are some 1st > impressions after doing a fresh install. I backed up the data I wanted > to keep and then formatted the disk. > > 1) OOo 1.1 works, but you must first run one OOo program like oowriter > before the entries in the desktop menus show up. I tried on two different machines and the ICONs were not there until I logged out of X, then back in. I tried to create a launcher on the desktop. It did not show. I created another application link. It did not show. After logging in and back into X. Both links created were present on the desktop. The application launchers were then available in the menu selections also. Before logging out, I ran xrefresh from the terminal. It did not refresh the menus or desktop. I figure the menus and desktop are stored in a memory array or something. The information needs updates on desktop and menu changes. What broke? (The desktop additions used to show shortly after creation., not now.) > > 2) Install program works *much* better now. I like the simplified look I did a desktop install and had problems with redhat-config-packages. I selected lynx, mc and various other not default installed programs. When I selected install packages. It kept asking for disc 1 (bugzilla'ed) On the server installation on another machine. It worked alright, except for an error related to termcap or xtermcap. It asked me to press return to try again. After that, it installed wonderfully. I liked the ability to select and deselect programs up front. The after-install was an extra step for me. > > I'm sure I'll find more tonight. I burned a big stack of CDs and will > have my Server OS class install tonight. Will bugzilla anything else I > find if it's not already there. > Great job on the fedora test3. I cleanly installed it over RHL9 (formatted all but user related information.) Jim > Cheers, > > Chris > > - People who take cold baths never have rheumatism, but they have cold baths. From xose at wanadoo.es Wed Oct 15 00:48:23 2003 From: xose at wanadoo.es (Xose Vazquez Perez) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 02:48:23 +0200 Subject: Test / Hardware vendor & FOS relationship database? References: <1065989765.9634.33.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <3F8C9957.3060302@wanadoo.es> Laurent GUERBY wrote: > Hi, for a few hardware products I intend to buy, I've been > looking for wether or not the hardware vendor has been helpful > to the Free & Open Source (FOS) community. May be > I missed an obvious web site, but I didn't find > anything that would help the average buyer quickly on the subject > (likely that something already exists though...). HW vendors and Linux distributions have a lot of information about compatible hardware, mainly servers: http://www.pc.ibm.com/us/compat/nos/matrix.shtml http://h18000.www1.hp.com/products/servers/linux/ http://www.fujitsu-siemens.com/partner/linux/server.shtm http://www1.us.dell.com/content/topics/global.aspx/alliances/en/os_certifications?c=us&cs=555&l=en&s=biz&~tab=3 http://hardware.redhat.com http://www.suse.com/us/business/certifications/certified_hardware/index.html http://wdb1.sco.com/chwp/owa/unitedlinux http://www.linux-laptop.net -- Software is like sex, it's better when it's bug free. From xose at wanadoo.es Wed Oct 15 01:01:29 2003 From: xose at wanadoo.es (Xose Vazquez Perez) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 03:01:29 +0200 Subject: XFree86 available via yum References: <200310121635.45173.elwoo@videotron.ca> <3F89D427.7090702@wanadoo.es> Message-ID: <3F8C9C69.4070006@wanadoo.es> Mike A. Harris wrote: > The ftp:// URL uses the FTP protocol, and the http:// URL uses > the HTTP protocol. Additionally, the user roots of both of these This is the trivial part :-)) > are in separate locations, so a file appearing at an ftp:// URL > will not be at an http:// URL because they are different > protocols with different storage locations on the hard disk > arrays. Some developers may or may not hardlink the files to > make them available in both locations. Personally, I favour ftp, the question is: why are they different? if they are public servers :-? why is closed http index and ftp is opened?.... X files, sources are out there :-) > as it works with commandline ncftp, etc. and I dislike using text > web browsers in place of commandline ftp clients... ;o) there is command line web clients like elinks, w3m... I know that FTP was designed for file transfer but HTTP usually is faster, for me. -- Software is like sex, it's better when it's bug free. From hoyt at cavtel.net Wed Oct 15 01:19:55 2003 From: hoyt at cavtel.net (HoytDuff) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 21:19:55 -0400 Subject: strange things are going on in the world In-Reply-To: <200310142359.h9ENxbb24431@garfield.bwh.harvard.edu> References: <200310142359.h9ENxbb24431@garfield.bwh.harvard.edu> Message-ID: <200310142119.55949.hoyt@cavtel.net> On Tuesday 14 October 2003 07:59 pm, Andre Robatino wrote: > From a Google search on "strange things are going on in the world": > > http://mail.gnu.org/archive/html/synaptic-devel/2003-08/msg00028.html LOL -- Hoyt From cochranb at speakeasy.net Wed Oct 15 01:21:52 2003 From: cochranb at speakeasy.net (Robert L Cochran) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 21:21:52 -0400 Subject: Evolution Doesn't Delete Trash Message-ID: <3F8CA130.9080200@speakeasy.net> If you set up Evolution with a standard unix mbox type of mail account, and check off the option for emptying trash folders on exit, it does not in fact delete the trash folder for the mbox account. Is there a fix for this? -- Bob Cochran Greenbelt, Maryland, USA http://greenbeltcomputer.biz/ From dang at planetmirror.com Wed Oct 15 01:26:39 2003 From: dang at planetmirror.com (Dan Goodes) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 11:26:39 +1000 (EST) Subject: Yum/Apt repositories in Package Management In-Reply-To: <200310142119.55949.hoyt@cavtel.net> Message-ID: Hi Folks, Just a question (that's what mailing lists are for)... In the improved package management software (now including support for apt and yum repositories), does the sources list file support username/password authentication for repositories? I have a "premium" account on my local apt repository that requires me to login with u/p. With Synaptic, I can specify the username and password in the form http://user:pass at host/ or ftp://user:pass at host/. Last time I checked, Yum did not support this (however it was added to the CVS for yum after a quick discussion on the yum mailing list). Will the package management support it? -- Regards, Dan Goodes : Systems Programmer : dang at planetmirror.com Help support PlanetMirror - Australia's largest Internet archive by signing up for PlanetMirror Premium : http://planetmirror.com From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Wed Oct 15 01:29:15 2003 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 21:29:15 -0400 Subject: Yum/Apt repositories in Package Management In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1066181355.15076.2.camel@binkley> On Tue, 2003-10-14 at 21:26, Dan Goodes wrote: > Hi Folks, > > Just a question (that's what mailing lists are for)... In the improved > package management software (now including support for apt and yum > repositories), does the sources list file support username/password > authentication for repositories? I have a "premium" account on my local > apt repository that requires me to login with u/p. With Synaptic, I can > specify the username and password in the form http://user:pass at host/ or > ftp://user:pass at host/. Last time I checked, Yum did not support this > (however it was added to the CVS for yum after a quick discussion on the > yum mailing list). Will the package management support it? yum supports user:pass at host. -sv From cochranb at speakeasy.net Wed Oct 15 01:31:09 2003 From: cochranb at speakeasy.net (Robert L Cochran) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 21:31:09 -0400 Subject: Anaconda Installer: Use of swap space on a multi-drive, multiboot system Message-ID: <3F8CA35D.9060401@speakeasy.net> When the anaconda installer is presented with a system that has more than one physical hard drive installed, and the other drive has a linux system on it, it tries to snatch the swap space that belongs to the other system. For example I have 2 drives on one machine. /dev/hdb has Fedora Core 0.94 on it. I installed Fedora Core 0.95 on /dev/hda, and the installer decided to use the swap partition that is on the hdb in addition to allocating space for a swap partition on hda. It also set up /etc/fstab to activate both swap partitions. I don't think anaconda should be doing that. Comments? -- Bob Cochran Greenbelt, Maryland, USA http://greenbeltcomputer.biz/ From alan at clueserver.org Wed Oct 15 00:19:38 2003 From: alan at clueserver.org (Alan) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 17:19:38 -0700 Subject: Fedora 9.0.95 refuses to install *FALSE ALARM* In-Reply-To: <1066167310.9857.22.camel@zontar.clueserver.org> References: <1066167310.9857.22.camel@zontar.clueserver.org> Message-ID: <1066177178.10304.3.camel@zontar.clueserver.org> Wouldn't you know it... It took a new install for the CD-ROM to flake. I am amazed that it would install anything at all the way it was acting. Installed a new drive and everything is working so far. The hardware gods must be wanting another blood sacrifice. On Tue, 2003-10-14 at 14:35, Alan wrote: > I have a P-III 750 with an i810 graphics card on the motherboard. > > It hits Anaconda probing for devices and sits and spins. > > 9.0.94 installs correctly, but later claims irq and dma problems on the > cd-rom drive. (The install had no problems.) Turning off dma on the > cd-rom drive does not get rid of the dma error messages either. (Which > is weird.) > > Ideas? -- alan at clueserver.org - alan at ctrl-alt-del.com "...new-fangled and artificial treasons have been the great engines by which violent factions, the natural offspring of free government, have usually wreaked their alternate malignity on each other...." - James Madison in The Federalist No. 43, From redhat-jc at insight.rr.com Wed Oct 15 01:42:24 2003 From: redhat-jc at insight.rr.com (Jim Cornette) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 21:42:24 -0400 Subject: New extra packages and yum repository In-Reply-To: <1066147414.4511.36.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> References: <1066147414.4511.36.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> Message-ID: <3F8CA600.7010202@insight.rr.com> Nils Philippsen wrote: > Hi all, > > I've put up some new packages/versions on > http://lisas.de/~nils/fedora/0.95/ > > extras: > - conglomerate-0.7.5-1 (XML editor) > - rss-glx-0.7.6-1 (screen savers, need new ImageMagick packages from > updates) Most of the repository programs listed, installed, except I had to dl this program manually. up2date hung on checking dependecies. rpm initially gave me the error below. warning: rss-glx-0.7.6-1.i386.rpm: V3 DSA signature: NOKEY, key ID 69513011 error: Failed dependencies: libopenal.so.0 is needed by rss-glx-0.7.6-1 After installing OpenAL-0.0.6.cvs20030704-1.i386.rpm it installed through rpm. I believe toppler hung also on checking deps through up2date. Jim > - gimp-beta-1.3.21 > - neverball-0.25.9-1 (ball balancing game) > - toppler-1.0.3-1 (Nebulous-like game) > > updates: > - ImageMagick-5.5.7.10-0.1 (needed for rss-glx-0.7.6) > > to ease installation/upgrade I've put together yum repositories at > http://lisas.de/~nils/yum/fedora/0.95/i386/extras/ and > http://lisas.de/~nils/yum/fedora/0.95/i386/updates/ respectively. > > Nils -- People who take cold baths never have rheumatism, but they have cold baths. From bobs at lingpgmr.com Wed Oct 15 01:49:51 2003 From: bobs at lingpgmr.com (Robert L Cochran) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 21:49:51 -0400 Subject: Fedora 9.0.95 refuses to install *FALSE ALARM* In-Reply-To: <1066177178.10304.3.camel@zontar.clueserver.org> References: <1066167310.9857.22.camel@zontar.clueserver.org> <1066177178.10304.3.camel@zontar.clueserver.org> Message-ID: <1066182591.7926.3.camel@bobc.lingpgmr.com> For those people with older systems built before 1996, the CD drive may not be able to read a 650 Mb CD. It would be expecting a 550 Mb CD. I've had one case of this. Fixed it by installing a newer model, but still old, Toshiba CD drive. And yes the new drive is used. However you won't see this much if at all these days. Bob On Tue, 2003-10-14 at 20:19, Alan wrote: > Wouldn't you know it... It took a new install for the CD-ROM to flake. > > I am amazed that it would install anything at all the way it was acting. > > Installed a new drive and everything is working so far. > > The hardware gods must be wanting another blood sacrifice. > > On Tue, 2003-10-14 at 14:35, Alan wrote: > > I have a P-III 750 with an i810 graphics card on the motherboard. > > > > It hits Anaconda probing for devices and sits and spins. > > > > 9.0.94 installs correctly, but later claims irq and dma problems on the > > cd-rom drive. (The install had no problems.) Turning off dma on the > > cd-rom drive does not get rid of the dma error messages either. (Which > > is weird.) > > > > Ideas? -- Bob Cochran Greenbelt, Maryland, USA http://www.greenbeltcomputer.biz/ From aoliva at redhat.com Wed Oct 15 01:58:28 2003 From: aoliva at redhat.com (Alexandre Oliva) Date: 14 Oct 2003 22:58:28 -0300 Subject: Anaconda Installer: Use of swap space on a multi-drive, multiboot system In-Reply-To: <3F8CA35D.9060401@speakeasy.net> References: <3F8CA35D.9060401@speakeasy.net> Message-ID: On Oct 14, 2003, Robert L Cochran wrote: > When the anaconda installer is presented with a system that has more > than one physical hard drive installed, and the other drive has a > linux system on it, it tries to snatch the swap space that belongs to > the other system. This sounds a lot like https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=70477 -- Alexandre Oliva Enjoy Guarana', see http://www.ic.unicamp.br/~oliva/ Red Hat GCC Developer aoliva@{redhat.com, gcc.gnu.org} CS PhD student at IC-Unicamp oliva@{lsd.ic.unicamp.br, gnu.org} Free Software Evangelist Professional serial bug killer From redhat-jc at insight.rr.com Wed Oct 15 02:05:19 2003 From: redhat-jc at insight.rr.com (Jim Cornette) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 22:05:19 -0400 Subject: test 3 installation comments/questions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3F8CAB5F.9050003@insight.rr.com> Edward C. Bailey wrote: >>>>>>"Don" == Don writes: > > > Don> That's what the light on my disk drive does..... I don't consider the > Don> install hung unless all disk activity has stopped too.... > > Not all situations have an easily-viewable drive activity led... :-) > > Ed I like indicators also as to the progress. As we speak about indicators. I noticed that when running up2date from the terminal, the ### progress bar proceeds, the other indicators for percentage and file size do not function. Regarding looking at the disk activity light. I haven't developed the habit of looking down under the keyboard much. a visual indicator on screen is good to have. (Even advertisements) Jim -- Greatness is a transitory experience. It is never consistent. From redhat-jc at insight.rr.com Wed Oct 15 02:11:52 2003 From: redhat-jc at insight.rr.com (Jim Cornette) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 22:11:52 -0400 Subject: Up2date yum rawhide channel says that all updates are 0kB In-Reply-To: <3F8C77A6.9090305@zonnet.nl> References: <3F8C77A6.9090305@zonnet.nl> Message-ID: <3F8CACE8.1010604@insight.rr.com> Jaap A. Haitsma wrote: > I noticed since the up2date channel has changed to the yum rawhide > channel that when up2date presents you the list of all packages that can > be upgraded it says that all packages are 0kB. Anybody else seeing it? > Is this a bug or just a "feature" of yum? > > Jaap > I noticed this problem also. First with getting programs from duke. It made a good program counter though. all programs were reported at 1 k. Now it shows 0 k (0 x something is still not very useful) Jim -- Got a complaint about the Internal Revenue Service? Call the convenient toll-free "IRS Taxpayer Complaint Hot Line Number": 1-800-AUDITME From ByteEnable at austin.rr.com Wed Oct 15 02:13:09 2003 From: ByteEnable at austin.rr.com (ByteEnable) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 21:13:09 -0500 Subject: DRI missing! In-Reply-To: <1065810850.2564.4.camel@earth.xades.com> References: <1065247917.6746.10.camel@Linux1> <200310101401.36743.elwoo@videotron.ca> <1065810850.2564.4.camel@earth.xades.com> Message-ID: <1066183988.3790.1.camel@ByteEnable> On Fri, 2003-10-10 at 13:34, nosp wrote: > On Fri, 2003-10-10 at 19:01, Elton Woo wrote: > > On October 9, 2003 05:33 am, Mike A. Harris <"Mike A. Harris" > > > wrote: > > > >Xlib: extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0". > [snip] > > ... pardon my ignorance, Mike, but I've noticed this same error > > message when some screensavers are invoked. The instructions > > for installing the nVidia drivers, mention *removing* the reference > > to DRI in /etc/X11/SF86Config. Correct? > > > > Would the reinsertion of that line, "re-enable" DRI? I haven't actually > > deleted it, but simply placed a REM (#) in front of it. > > Commenting it is sufficient, but what's probably happened is the Mesa > (software OpenGL) libs that the nvidia installer removes have been > reinstalled by some update of XFree* rpms. Check /usr/X11R6/lib/tls and > tls/i686 for libGL.* (note period). Rename any that exist and the run > glxgears to see if you still get the message: > > cd /usr/X11R6/lib/tls > rename libGL disabled_libGL libGL.* > cd i686 > rename libGL disabled_libGL libGL.* > glxgears > > > You may have to do /usr/X11R6/lib as well but I haven't seen those > libGL.* libs being resurrected. nosp: I did exactly what you described and my NVidia problems cleared up (xlib DRI). I was using 4496 drivers. Byte From mbarrientos at cfl.rr.com Wed Oct 15 02:22:55 2003 From: mbarrientos at cfl.rr.com (mb) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 22:22:55 -0400 Subject: Fedora 0.95 (aka test3) and RHN In-Reply-To: <20031014001528.C30496@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <3F8B6465.2040004@cfl.rr.com> <20031014001528.C30496@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <3F8CAF7F.4020300@cfl.rr.com> Thanks Bill, How can I do that? Or should I use yum/apt-get? Regards Mario Bill Nottingham wrote: >Mario (mbarrientos at cfl.rr.com) said: > > >>Somebody knows when RHN can be used to update and get new packages for >>Fedora 0.95? >> >> > >You can use up2date to update via the rawhide repository. > >Bill > > >-- >fedora-test-list mailing list >fedora-test-list at redhat.com >http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > > From cochranb at speakeasy.net Wed Oct 15 02:28:38 2003 From: cochranb at speakeasy.net (Robert L Cochran) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 22:28:38 -0400 Subject: Fedora 0.95 (aka test3) and RHN In-Reply-To: <3F8CAF7F.4020300@cfl.rr.com> References: <3F8B6465.2040004@cfl.rr.com> <20031014001528.C30496@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <3F8CAF7F.4020300@cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: <3F8CB0D6.2060003@speakeasy.net> With Fedora 0.95 installed, just run 'up2date --configure' (in GUI mode) and set it up to your taste. For example, I always remove 'kernel*' from the list of package exceptions on beta versions. It will (now) automatically download from the rawhide channel. Note: I do not know if you need an existing RHN 'update' account for this. Bob mb wrote: > > Thanks Bill, > > How can I do that? Or should I use yum/apt-get? > > > Regards > Mario > > Bill Nottingham wrote: > >> Mario (mbarrientos at cfl.rr.com) said: >> >>> Somebody knows when RHN can be used to update and get new packages >>> for Fedora 0.95? >>> >> >> >> You can use up2date to update via the rawhide repository. >> >> Bill >> >> >> -- >> fedora-test-list mailing list >> fedora-test-list at redhat.com >> http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list >> >> >> > > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > -- Bob Cochran Greenbelt, Maryland, USA http://greenbeltcomputer.biz/ From barryn at pobox.com Wed Oct 15 02:44:39 2003 From: barryn at pobox.com (Barry K. Nathan) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 19:44:39 -0700 Subject: Fedora 0.95 (aka test3) and RHN In-Reply-To: <3F8CB0D6.2060003@speakeasy.net> References: <3F8B6465.2040004@cfl.rr.com> <20031014001528.C30496@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <3F8CAF7F.4020300@cfl.rr.com> <3F8CB0D6.2060003@speakeasy.net> Message-ID: <20031015024439.GD10427@ip68-4-255-84.oc.oc.cox.net> On Tue, Oct 14, 2003 at 10:28:38PM -0400, Robert L Cochran wrote: > Note: I do not know if you need an existing RHN 'update' account for this. The latest up2date removes that requirement. -Barry K. Nathan From mbarrientos at cfl.rr.com Wed Oct 15 02:48:56 2003 From: mbarrientos at cfl.rr.com (mb) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 22:48:56 -0400 Subject: Fedora 0.95 (aka test3) and RHN In-Reply-To: <3F8CB0D6.2060003@speakeasy.net> References: <3F8B6465.2040004@cfl.rr.com> <20031014001528.C30496@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <3F8CAF7F.4020300@cfl.rr.com> <3F8CB0D6.2060003@speakeasy.net> Message-ID: <3F8CB598.7040503@cfl.rr.com> Hi Robert, I'm new using up2date. I remember that for Beta 2, at some time to get the updates I had to define the channel in RHN site. But for rawhide, I don't see any channel in RHN site. And I still getting the error because the Fedora 0.95 channel doesn't exist yet. I'll execute 'up2date --configure' to look for a 'rawhide' option, am I correct? Or I need to wait for the channel creation in RHN? Regards Mario Robert L Cochran wrote: > With Fedora 0.95 installed, just run 'up2date --configure' (in GUI > mode) and set it up to your taste. For example, I always remove > 'kernel*' from the list of package exceptions on beta versions. > > It will (now) automatically download from the rawhide channel. > > Note: I do not know if you need an existing RHN 'update' account for > this. > > Bob > > mb wrote: > >> >> Thanks Bill, >> >> How can I do that? Or should I use yum/apt-get? >> >> >> Regards >> Mario >> >> Bill Nottingham wrote: >> >>> Mario (mbarrientos at cfl.rr.com) said: >>> >>>> Somebody knows when RHN can be used to update and get new packages >>>> for Fedora 0.95? >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> You can use up2date to update via the rawhide repository. >>> >>> Bill >>> >>> >>> -- >>> fedora-test-list mailing list >>> fedora-test-list at redhat.com >>> http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> fedora-test-list mailing list >> fedora-test-list at redhat.com >> http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list >> >> > From peterr at opensystems.net.au Wed Oct 15 02:56:47 2003 From: peterr at opensystems.net.au (Peter Robinson) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 10:56:47 +0800 Subject: Fedora 0.95 (aka test3) and RHN In-Reply-To: <3F8CB598.7040503@cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: <002901c392c8$11c58e20$c869fea9@pbr> Hi Mario, If you subscribe to the Beta two and the Beta two updates chanels, then run an up2date the beta 2 updates chanel becomes the rawhide chanel and away you go (we at least that's what happened to me). On the RHN website it says your subscribed to the above mentioned channels and in up2date it says your subscribed to rawhide. Peter > Hi Robert, > > I'm new using up2date. I remember that for Beta 2, at some > time to get > the updates I had to define the channel in RHN site. > But for rawhide, I don't see any channel in RHN site. And I still > getting the error because the Fedora 0.95 channel doesn't > exist yet. > > I'll execute 'up2date --configure' to look for a 'rawhide' > option, am I > correct? Or I need to wait for the channel creation in RHN? > > Regards > Mario > > > > Robert L Cochran wrote: > > > With Fedora 0.95 installed, just run 'up2date --configure' (in GUI > > mode) and set it up to your taste. For example, I always remove > > 'kernel*' from the list of package exceptions on beta versions. > > > > It will (now) automatically download from the rawhide channel. > > > > Note: I do not know if you need an existing RHN 'update' account for > > this. > > > > Bob > > > > mb wrote: > > > >> > >> Thanks Bill, > >> > >> How can I do that? Or should I use yum/apt-get? > >> > >> > >> Regards > >> Mario > >> > >> Bill Nottingham wrote: > >> > >>> Mario (mbarrientos at cfl.rr.com) said: > >>> > >>>> Somebody knows when RHN can be used to update and get > new packages > >>>> for Fedora 0.95? > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> You can use up2date to update via the rawhide repository. > >>> > >>> Bill > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> fedora-test-list mailing list > >>> fedora-test-list at redhat.com > >>> http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> fedora-test-list mailing list > >> fedora-test-list at redhat.com > >> http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > >> > >> > > > > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-> test-list > From cochranb at speakeasy.net Wed Oct 15 03:09:10 2003 From: cochranb at speakeasy.net (Robert L Cochran) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 23:09:10 -0400 Subject: Fedora 0.95 (aka test3) and RHN In-Reply-To: <3F8CB598.7040503@cfl.rr.com> References: <3F8B6465.2040004@cfl.rr.com> <20031014001528.C30496@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <3F8CAF7F.4020300@cfl.rr.com> <3F8CB0D6.2060003@speakeasy.net> <3F8CB598.7040503@cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: <3F8CBA56.4040005@speakeasy.net> I'm using up2date-4.1.5-1 which was installed when I did a clean install of Fedora Core 0.95 from the CD's I downloaded. The rawhide channel I mention just shows up when you run 'up2date --configure'. I had to set up a download chennel on RHN with Beta 2 the same as you, but this time up2date just pointed itself at rawhide. Bill Nottingham has been mentioning it in previous posts. I don't know what happens with an upgrade installation. Bob mb wrote: > > Hi Robert, > > I'm new using up2date. I remember that for Beta 2, at some time to get > the updates I had to define the channel in RHN site. > But for rawhide, I don't see any channel in RHN site. And I still > getting the error because the Fedora 0.95 channel doesn't > exist yet. > > I'll execute 'up2date --configure' to look for a 'rawhide' option, am I > correct? Or I need to wait for the channel creation in RHN? > > Regards > Mario > > > > Robert L Cochran wrote: > >> With Fedora 0.95 installed, just run 'up2date --configure' (in GUI >> mode) and set it up to your taste. For example, I always remove >> 'kernel*' from the list of package exceptions on beta versions. >> >> It will (now) automatically download from the rawhide channel. >> >> Note: I do not know if you need an existing RHN 'update' account for >> this. >> >> Bob >> >> mb wrote: >> >>> >>> Thanks Bill, >>> >>> How can I do that? Or should I use yum/apt-get? >>> >>> >>> Regards >>> Mario >>> >>> Bill Nottingham wrote: >>> >>>> Mario (mbarrientos at cfl.rr.com) said: >>>> >>>>> Somebody knows when RHN can be used to update and get new packages >>>>> for Fedora 0.95? >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> You can use up2date to update via the rawhide repository. >>>> >>>> Bill >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> fedora-test-list mailing list >>>> fedora-test-list at redhat.com >>>> http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> fedora-test-list mailing list >>> fedora-test-list at redhat.com >>> http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list >>> >>> >> > > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > -- Bob Cochran Greenbelt, Maryland, USA http://greenbeltcomputer.biz/ From JDrabb at tampabay.rr.com Wed Oct 15 03:13:58 2003 From: JDrabb at tampabay.rr.com (James Drabb) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 23:13:58 -0400 Subject: Grub and `other' OS In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1066187638.5935.2.camel@keelie.tampabay.rr.com> On Tue, 2003-10-14 at 11:33, Harry Putnam wrote: > It gives examples of setting vga by appending to the root line like: > > kernel /vmlinuz root=/dev/hda1 vga=ask > > doing this and selectinbg various of those offered I see the selected > size only lasts about 100 or so lines then the standard size > re-emerges so that most of teh boot messages are in the standard size > instead of what ever was selected. > > Anyone know what that is the case? You can get a better resolution by using your video cards frame buffer. >From the file /usr/src/linux/Documentation/fb/vesafb.txt | 640x480 800x600 1024x768 1280x1024 ----+------------------------------------- 256 | 0x301 0x303 0x305 0x307 32k | 0x310 0x313 0x316 0x319 64k | 0x311 0x314 0x317 0x31A 16M | 0x312 0x315 0x318 0x31B Use one of these numbers instead of the ask value for vga. On my laptop, I use 800x600 @ 64k by appending vga=0x314 to my kernel line in grub.conf. Jim Drabb -- James Drabb Senior Programmer Analyst Davenport, FL USA From JDrabb at tampabay.rr.com Wed Oct 15 03:24:11 2003 From: JDrabb at tampabay.rr.com (James Drabb) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 23:24:11 -0400 Subject: up2date problems Message-ID: <1066188251.5935.8.camel@keelie.tampabay.rr.com> I was running FC 0.94 and just used apt to upgrade to 0.95 by updating the sources.list file. Now when I try to run up2date I get this error: Invalid Architecture and OS release combination (0.95, i686-redhat-linux). So I uninstalled up2date and reinstalled to make sure it was the version from 0.95. I re-ran rhn_register and I get the same error at the end. Are there any config files I need to change/update? Jim Drabb -- James Drabb Senior Programmer Analyst Davenport, FL USA From redhat-jc at insight.rr.com Wed Oct 15 03:58:47 2003 From: redhat-jc at insight.rr.com (Jim Cornette) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 23:58:47 -0400 Subject: up2date problems In-Reply-To: <1066188251.5935.8.camel@keelie.tampabay.rr.com> References: <1066188251.5935.8.camel@keelie.tampabay.rr.com> Message-ID: <3F8CC5F7.2010102@insight.rr.com> James Drabb wrote: > I was running FC 0.94 and just used apt to upgrade to 0.95 by updating > the sources.list file. Now when I try to run up2date I get this error: > > Invalid Architecture and OS release combination (0.95, > i686-redhat-linux). > > So I uninstalled up2date and reinstalled to make sure it was the version > from 0.95. I re-ran rhn_register and I get the same error at the end. > > Are there any config files I need to change/update? > > Jim Drabb. When a clean install is implemented, you get the attached file. This works pretty good on the cleanly installed system. On my upgraded system. I ran up2date --config and added *release* to the excluded packages menu. I am still using the 0.94 release version. When this channel disapears, up2date will stop working also. I plan one collecting all of the repositories into the attached version, then change the sources file. It sounds like adding a repository config file that can be referenced might make keeping repositories and evolving versions easier to manage. for now, text editors and cut/pasting. my up2date version is up2date-4.1.5-1 on the upgraded machine. NOTE: .clean is not part of the orginal file name. 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A > CD burned without -pad works with Shrike's kernel, but not with Severn > kernels. > > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=106685 has the details I reburned the CDs using cdrecord with the -pad option. The mediacheck now passes with disks 1 and 2, but still fails with disk 3. I'm not absolutely sure that it's not really a bad CD, though I checked all three disks at work with the dd trick before bringing them home. I burned them on a Sun Solaris machine with Cdrecord 1.9. > Alexandre Oliva Enjoy Guarana', see http://www.ic.unicamp.br/~oliva/ > Red Hat GCC Developer aoliva@{redhat.com, gcc.gnu.org} > CS PhD student at IC-Unicamp oliva@{lsd.ic.unicamp.br, gnu.org} > Free Software Evangelist Professional serial bug killer From cochranb at speakeasy.net Wed Oct 15 04:09:25 2003 From: cochranb at speakeasy.net (Robert L Cochran) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 00:09:25 -0400 Subject: test3 mediacheck still brain dead In-Reply-To: <200310150405.h9F45tx03817@garfield.bwh.harvard.edu> References: <200310150405.h9F45tx03817@garfield.bwh.harvard.edu> Message-ID: <3F8CC875.1050801@speakeasy.net> I am having problems with the mediacheck feature also. It seems flaky: it will reject a CD and then pass it if you test it again with no changes other than re-inserting it in the drive. Bob Andre Robatino wrote: >>On Oct 13, 2003, Andre Robatino wrote: >> >> >>> I essentially just used "cdrecord file.iso". I notice now that cdrecord >>>has a "-pad" option, but knowing almost nothing about burning CDs, it didn't >>>occur to me to use it. >> >>-pad fixed the problem for me, but I didn't have to use it before. A >>CD burned without -pad works with Shrike's kernel, but not with Severn >>kernels. >> >>https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=106685 has the details > > > I reburned the CDs using cdrecord with the -pad option. The mediacheck > now passes with disks 1 and 2, but still fails with disk 3. I'm not > absolutely sure that it's not really a bad CD, though I checked all three > disks at work with the dd trick before bringing them home. I burned them > on a Sun Solaris machine with Cdrecord 1.9. > > >>Alexandre Oliva Enjoy Guarana', see http://www.ic.unicamp.br/~oliva/ >>Red Hat GCC Developer aoliva@{redhat.com, gcc.gnu.org} >>CS PhD student at IC-Unicamp oliva@{lsd.ic.unicamp.br, gnu.org} >>Free Software Evangelist Professional serial bug killer > > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > -- Bob Cochran Greenbelt, Maryland, USA http://greenbeltcomputer.biz/ From fedora at enticedbylife.com Wed Oct 15 04:19:28 2003 From: fedora at enticedbylife.com (Matt) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 23:19:28 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Quick Question--Reply ASAP Please Message-ID: Is there a mirror where I can do a FTP install? I burned some cd's from ISO's at work today but they fail the test so I don't want to use them to install from. Thanks, Matthew From 1midniterider at comcast.net Wed Oct 15 04:16:27 2003 From: 1midniterider at comcast.net (Marcus White) Date: 15 Oct 2003 00:16:27 -0400 Subject: Fedora Core 1 Beta3: Referenced Packages that do not exist Message-ID: <1066191386.2981.45.camel@tbird> G'day, During an install of the beta3 CD's, noticed that redhat-logos, prctl, redhat-release, yaboot, efibootmgr, elilo, s390utils, ppc64-utils, dev86 and pxe do not exist. These packages were referenced. These were only warnings and the process continued. -- Marcus White <1midniterider at comcast.net> From jspaleta at princeton.edu Wed Oct 15 04:21:30 2003 From: jspaleta at princeton.edu (Jef Spaleta) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 00:21:30 -0400 Subject: First Unofficial Fedora Bug Day: Tomorrow err I mean Today!!!!!!!!! Message-ID: <1066191690.11893.68.camel@localhost.localdomain> What: Fedora Bug Day!!!!! When: Oct 15 09:00 EDT about 21:00 EDT Where: #fedora-bugs on the freenode irc network Why: to clean up bugzilla bug reports that need more info Who: Anyone who wants to help make the fedora developers more efficient In an effort to get the ball rolling on a fedora community based bugzilla triage effort, I am hereby decreeing that tomorrow Wednesday October 15, 2003 the first unofficial Fedora Bug day, and every Weds there after to be Fedora Bug Days until the end of time, or someone more competent wants to be in charge and wants to change the date. In an effort to control the chaos, during tomorrow's first attempt at this..I want to try to focus effort on bugs that need more information to be useful. I'd like to also like to encourage anyone interested in translation work to possibly take this bug day opportunity to take a crack at going back and sweeping up outstanding translation bugtickets in bugzilla. The goal here isn't to create a whole new set of bugs, the goal is to get as many existing bugs as possible closed..or at the very least in shape to be closed by developers. "But Jef...what exactly is the point of a Bug Day?" Good question. The basic idea of a Fedora Bug Day, is a chance for us...the Fedora community to spend some quality time cleaning up Fedora bugzilla so the developers can spend less time sifting through lots of duplicate or incomplete bug reports and spend more time fixing bugs that can be fixed right away. The basic concept of bugzilla triage is that community members go through bugzilla fixing up bug reports that need information or confirmation so developers don't have to do this sort of routine day-to-day maintenance, and hopefully as a result developers spend more time fixing bugs than they do asking for clarifying information in bugreports. The Gnome bugsquad project is a good starting point in the process of building guidelines and policies for people interested in helping out in the fedora bugzilla triage effort: http://developer.gnome.org/projects/bugsquad And specifically for those people interested in participating in Fedora Bug Days, reading about how Gnome handles bug days would be quite useful: http://developer.gnome.org/projects/bugsquad/triage/faq.html#II Gnome's bugsquad project idea relies heavily on having trusted community members being able to modify existing bugreports. And eventually I hope to have a core group of fedora community members with the same sort of access to edit bugsreports (without stepping on the toes of the existing Red Hat QA team of course)...but in the beginning we can do a lot just by focusing on the bugs that need more information and working to fill those in, so the bugs can be closed by developers. So tomorrow...if you have some time, try to read over how Gnome handles triage, and then try to find open bugs in redhat's/fedora's bugzilla that are in need of more information (log files or certain command output for example). And please drop into the #fedora-bugs channel to ask questions about the triage efforts or to wax eloquent on how to make this community based triage idea more useful for everbody. -jef"www.homestarrunner.com is not a good reference for learning about bugzilla triage"spaleta -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Other mirrors can be found at HTH, -Sean From JDrabb at tampabay.rr.com Wed Oct 15 04:34:17 2003 From: JDrabb at tampabay.rr.com (James Drabb) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 00:34:17 -0400 Subject: up2date problems In-Reply-To: <3F8CC5F7.2010102@insight.rr.com> References: <1066188251.5935.8.camel@keelie.tampabay.rr.com> <3F8CC5F7.2010102@insight.rr.com> Message-ID: <1066192457.5935.18.camel@keelie.tampabay.rr.com> On Tue, 2003-10-14 at 23:58, Jim Cornette wrote: > James Drabb wrote: > > I was running FC 0.94 and just used apt to upgrade to 0.95 by updating > > the sources.list file. Now when I try to run up2date I get this error: > > > > Invalid Architecture and OS release combination (0.95, > > i686-redhat-linux). > > > > So I uninstalled up2date and reinstalled to make sure it was the version > > from 0.95. I re-ran rhn_register and I get the same error at the end. > > > > Are there any config files I need to change/update? > > > > Jim Drabb. > > When a clean install is implemented, you get the attached file. This > works pretty good on the cleanly installed system. > > On my upgraded system. I ran up2date --config and added *release* to the > excluded packages menu. I am still using the 0.94 release version. When > this channel disapears, up2date will stop working also. > > I plan one collecting all of the repositories into the attached version, > then change the sources file. It sounds like adding a repository config > file that can be referenced might make keeping repositories and evolving > versions easier to manage. for now, text editors and cut/pasting. > > > my up2date version is up2date-4.1.5-1 > on the upgraded machine. > > > NOTE: .clean is not part of the orginal file name. > > Jim Thanks, that fixed it up. Jim Drabb -- James Drabb Senior Programmer Analyst Davenport, FL USA From smearp at mac.com Wed Oct 15 04:36:16 2003 From: smearp at mac.com (Sean Earp) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 21:36:16 -0700 Subject: Fedora Core 1 Beta3: Referenced Packages that do not exist In-Reply-To: <1066191386.2981.45.camel@tbird> Message-ID: <1D1CF72A-FEC9-11D7-8597-000393C34F68@mac.com> On Tuesday, October 14, 2003, at 09:16 PM, Marcus White wrote: > G'day, > > During an install of the beta3 CD's, noticed that redhat-logos, prctl, > redhat-release, yaboot, efibootmgr, elilo, s390utils, ppc64-utils, > dev86 > and pxe do not exist. These packages were referenced. These were only > warnings and the process continued. Marcus- This is a known bug... It will be fixed in a future release of anaconda. HTH, -Sean From JDrabb at tampabay.rr.com Wed Oct 15 04:37:13 2003 From: JDrabb at tampabay.rr.com (James Drabb) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 00:37:13 -0400 Subject: up2date problems In-Reply-To: <3F8CC5F7.2010102@insight.rr.com> References: <1066188251.5935.8.camel@keelie.tampabay.rr.com> <3F8CC5F7.2010102@insight.rr.com> Message-ID: <1066192631.5935.21.camel@keelie.tampabay.rr.com> On Tue, 2003-10-14 at 23:58, Jim Cornette wrote: > I plan one collecting all of the repositories into the attached version, > then change the sources file. It sounds like adding a repository config > file that can be referenced might make keeping repositories and evolving > versions easier to manage. for now, text editors and cut/pasting. > > Jim One more question. Do you have any of the Fedora repositories for the non-core RPMS such as xine, etc? Should I just point to the 0.95 repositores for fedora.us? Jim Drabb -- James Drabb Senior Programmer Analyst Davenport, FL USA From mike at netlyncs.com Wed Oct 15 04:44:23 2003 From: mike at netlyncs.com (Mike Chambers) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 23:44:23 -0500 Subject: Flash plugin for mozilla Message-ID: <1066193063.17273.1.camel@bart.netlyncs.com> Has anyone been able to install and get flash to work with the mozilla in Fedora test 3? I downloaded and isntalled it from macromedia's web site but the plugin isn't showing up in Help/About plugins menu. Any ideas? -- Mike Chambers Madisonville, KY "Can you hear me now?....GOOD!" From andre at bwh.harvard.edu Wed Oct 15 04:53:17 2003 From: andre at bwh.harvard.edu (Andre Robatino) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 00:53:17 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Flash plugin for mozilla In-Reply-To: <1066193063.17273.1.camel@bart.netlyncs.com> from "Mike Chambers" at Oct 14, 2003 11:44:23 PM Message-ID: <200310150453.h9F4rHU04059@garfield.bwh.harvard.edu> > Has anyone been able to install and get flash to work with the mozilla > in Fedora test 3? I downloaded and isntalled it from macromedia's web > site but the plugin isn't showing up in Help/About plugins menu. > > Any ideas? I had it installed from test2 and did an upgrade (which only had to upgrade a few packages) and it's still working. The simplest way to do the install is to forget the installer and just copy the two files flashplayer.xpt and libflashplayer.so into /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins (sometimes the installer will refuse this and force you to install into the version specific directory like /usr/lib/mozilla-1.4.1 which means you have to redo the install every time the version of Mozilla changes). > Mike Chambers > Madisonville, KY From warren at togami.com Wed Oct 15 05:07:36 2003 From: warren at togami.com (Warren Togami) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 19:07:36 -1000 Subject: Flash plugin for mozilla In-Reply-To: <200310150453.h9F4rHU04059@garfield.bwh.harvard.edu> References: <200310150453.h9F4rHU04059@garfield.bwh.harvard.edu> Message-ID: <3F8CD618.1000809@togami.com> http://macromedia.mplug.org/ Does my semi-official Macromedia Flash 6 for x86 Linux RPM no longer work? It seems to work for me. Warren From mike at netlyncs.com Wed Oct 15 05:12:42 2003 From: mike at netlyncs.com (Mike Chambers) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 00:12:42 -0500 Subject: Flash plugin for mozilla In-Reply-To: <200310150453.h9F4rHU04059@garfield.bwh.harvard.edu> References: <200310150453.h9F4rHU04059@garfield.bwh.harvard.edu> Message-ID: <1066194761.17382.1.camel@bart.netlyncs.com> On Tue, 2003-10-14 at 23:53, Andre Robatino wrote: > I had it installed from test2 and did an upgrade (which only had to > upgrade a few packages) and it's still working. The simplest way to do the > install is to forget the installer and just copy the two files > flashplayer.xpt and libflashplayer.so into /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins > (sometimes the installer will refuse this and force you to install into > the version specific directory like /usr/lib/mozilla-1.4.1 which means you > have to redo the install every time the version of Mozilla changes). No matter whether it's /usr/lib/mozilla-1.4.1/plugins or /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins, or both, it still isn't detected, even though the files are in either/both places. -- Mike Chambers Madisonville, KY "Can you hear me now?....GOOD!" From mike at netlyncs.com Wed Oct 15 05:14:39 2003 From: mike at netlyncs.com (Mike Chambers) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 00:14:39 -0500 Subject: Flash plugin for mozilla In-Reply-To: <3F8CD618.1000809@togami.com> References: <200310150453.h9F4rHU04059@garfield.bwh.harvard.edu> <3F8CD618.1000809@togami.com> Message-ID: <1066194879.17382.4.camel@bart.netlyncs.com> On Wed, 2003-10-15 at 00:07, Warren Togami wrote: > http://macromedia.mplug.org/ > > Does my semi-official Macromedia Flash 6 for x86 Linux RPM no longer > work? It seems to work for me. The version 6 that I have wont' install on this system. Tell me what package has this missing file and I'll retry it again... [root at bart programs]# rpm -Uvh flash-plugin-6.0.79-1.i386.rpm error: Failed dependencies: libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3 is needed by flash-plugin-6.0.79-1 -- Mike Chambers Madisonville, KY "Can you hear me now?....GOOD!" From panzercenturion at hotmail.com Wed Oct 15 05:15:52 2003 From: panzercenturion at hotmail.com (Stuart B) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 05:15:52 +0000 Subject: Problems with the Add/Remove package tool Message-ID: Hi All: I can't seem to get the add/remove package tool to work at all. Every time I try adding a new package it simply informs me to insert cd1 or cd2 or whatever which I then do... and then it reads the cd... and goes back to prompting me to insert the cd again. In short I can't install anything via the redhat package tool. This is what I'm running: * AMD Baston 2500+ *ASUS A7N8X* 512MB Samsung PC3200 * Gainward Geforce 3 Ti200 * Antec 800 Case w/ 430w True Power * Maxtor 60GB D740X-6L * Pioneer 16x DVD Slot Load * Lite-on 40x12x48x Burner * Thermalright AX7 w/ Sunon 43cfm * Sound Storm* ACS56 Surround Sound * Viewsonic G90FB Monitor Are there any workarounds this bug yet? I tried using bugzilla but it drove me half mad trying to make a bug report. _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From andre at bwh.harvard.edu Wed Oct 15 05:25:57 2003 From: andre at bwh.harvard.edu (Andre Robatino) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 01:25:57 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Flash plugin for mozilla In-Reply-To: <1066194879.17382.4.camel@bart.netlyncs.com> from "Mike Chambers" at Oct 15, 2003 12:14:39 AM Message-ID: <200310150525.h9F5Pvx04237@garfield.bwh.harvard.edu> > On Wed, 2003-10-15 at 00:07, Warren Togami wrote: > > http://macromedia.mplug.org/ > > > > Does my semi-official Macromedia Flash 6 for x86 Linux RPM no longer > > work? It seems to work for me. > > > The version 6 that I have wont' install on this system. Tell me what > package has this missing file and I'll retry it again... > > [root at bart programs]# rpm -Uvh flash-plugin-6.0.79-1.i386.rpm > error: Failed dependencies: > libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3 is needed by flash-plugin-6.0.79-1 I didn't know there was an RPM. I went to Macromedia's Web site and downloaded and unpacked the file install_flash_player_6_linux.tar.gz (under "Download Flash Player") and copied flashplayer.xpt and libflashplayer.so from the resulting directory. > Mike Chambers > Madisonville, KY From mike at netlyncs.com Wed Oct 15 05:27:09 2003 From: mike at netlyncs.com (Mike Chambers) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 00:27:09 -0500 Subject: Flash plugin for mozilla In-Reply-To: <1066194879.17382.4.camel@bart.netlyncs.com> References: <200310150453.h9F4rHU04059@garfield.bwh.harvard.edu> <3F8CD618.1000809@togami.com> <1066194879.17382.4.camel@bart.netlyncs.com> Message-ID: <1066195628.17382.6.camel@bart.netlyncs.com> On Wed, 2003-10-15 at 00:14, Mike Chambers wrote: > The version 6 that I have wont' install on this system. Tell me what > package has this missing file and I'll retry it again... > > [root at bart programs]# rpm -Uvh flash-plugin-6.0.79-1.i386.rpm > error: Failed dependencies: > libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3 is needed by flash-plugin-6.0.79-1 Disregard, as the package I needed was compat-libstdc++-7.3-2.96.118.i386.rpm. It now works :) -- Mike Chambers Madisonville, KY "Can you hear me now?....GOOD!" From grant at tuins.ac.jp Wed Oct 15 05:31:28 2003 From: grant at tuins.ac.jp (rg) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 14:31:28 +0900 Subject: Problems with the Add/Remove package tool In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3F8CDBB0.7030802@tuins.ac.jp> Stuart B wrote: > Hi All: > > I can't seem to get the add/remove package tool to work at all. Every > time I try adding a new package it simply informs me to insert cd1 or > cd2 or whatever which I then do... and then it reads the cd... and > goes back to prompting me to insert the cd again. In short I can't > install anything via the redhat package tool. Ah, the bug that just doesn't seem to know when to say goodbye... See the bug report below (check out response #6 - it's still alive in Test 3): https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=105767 ralston From cochranb at speakeasy.net Wed Oct 15 05:38:26 2003 From: cochranb at speakeasy.net (Robert L Cochran) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 01:38:26 -0400 Subject: Flash plugin for mozilla In-Reply-To: <1066195628.17382.6.camel@bart.netlyncs.com> References: <200310150453.h9F4rHU04059@garfield.bwh.harvard.edu> <3F8CD618.1000809@togami.com> <1066194879.17382.4.camel@bart.netlyncs.com> <1066195628.17382.6.camel@bart.netlyncs.com> Message-ID: <3F8CDD52.1090802@speakeasy.net> So this brings us to another wish-list entry for RPM that I have: "I really wish RPM would tell me what package name the dependency is in and where to find that package so I won't have to feel like someone blindfolded and searching for the donkey. For extra bonus points RPM could optionally offer to search for and download the missing package(s)." Bob Mike Chambers wrote: > On Wed, 2003-10-15 at 00:14, Mike Chambers wrote: > > >>The version 6 that I have wont' install on this system. Tell me what >>package has this missing file and I'll retry it again... >> >>[root at bart programs]# rpm -Uvh flash-plugin-6.0.79-1.i386.rpm >>error: Failed dependencies: >> libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3 is needed by flash-plugin-6.0.79-1 > > > Disregard, as the package I needed was > compat-libstdc++-7.3-2.96.118.i386.rpm. > > It now works :) > -- Bob Cochran Greenbelt, Maryland, USA http://greenbeltcomputer.biz/ From andre at bwh.harvard.edu Wed Oct 15 05:47:14 2003 From: andre at bwh.harvard.edu (Andre Robatino) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 01:47:14 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Flash plugin for mozilla In-Reply-To: <3F8CDD52.1090802@speakeasy.net> from "Robert L Cochran" at Oct 15, 2003 01:38:26 AM Message-ID: <200310150547.h9F5lEm04367@garfield.bwh.harvard.edu> > So this brings us to another wish-list entry for RPM that I have: > > "I really wish RPM would tell me what package name the dependency is in > and where to find that package so I won't have to feel like someone > blindfolded and searching for the donkey. For extra bonus points RPM > could optionally offer to search for and download the missing package(s)." > > Bob I think if rpmdb-fedora (previously rpmdb-redhat) is installed, then RPM will offer a list of packages whenever this type of error occurs, as long as the needed package(s) are in Red Hat's distribution. http://linux.oreillynet.com/lpt/a/4145 From jkeating at j2solutions.net Wed Oct 15 05:52:51 2003 From: jkeating at j2solutions.net (Jesse Keating) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 22:52:51 -0700 Subject: Flash plugin for mozilla In-Reply-To: <3F8CDD52.1090802@speakeasy.net> References: <200310150453.h9F4rHU04059@garfield.bwh.harvard.edu> <1066195628.17382.6.camel@bart.netlyncs.com> <3F8CDD52.1090802@speakeasy.net> Message-ID: <200310142252.52069.jkeating@j2solutions.net> On Tuesday 14 October 2003 22:38, Robert L Cochran uttered: > "I really wish RPM would tell me what package name the dependency is in > and where to find that package so I won't have to feel like someone > blindfolded and searching for the donkey. For extra bonus points RPM > could optionally offer to search for and download the missing package(s)." Thats really not the job of rpm, which is a tool to install/uninstall a given package, or package list. What you are asking for is the job of the package manager tool, which sits above rpm. yum, apt, up2date, these are all examples of higher level management tools, while rpm itself is just the method to get the given package into the database/file system. Would you be shocked if I told you that Debians dpkg, the tool to install packages, doesn't do any dep checking? Just blindly installs. It's up to dselect, apt, whatever to do the dep logic and whatnot. -- Jesse Keating RHCE MCSE (http://geek.j2solutions.net) Fedora Legacy Team (http://www.fedora.us/wiki/FedoraLegacy) Mondo DevTeam (www.mondorescue.org) GPG Public Key (http://geek.j2solutions.net/jkeating.j2solutions.pub) Was I helpful? 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Which package version/release did you use? I found out that using ~/.openoffice instead of ~/OpenOffice.org1.1.0 as the base directory helps. Nils -- Nils Philippsen / Red Hat / nphilipp at redhat.com "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- B. Franklin, 1759 PGP fingerprint: C4A8 9474 5C4C ADE3 2B8F 656D 47D8 9B65 6951 3011 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From grant at tuins.ac.jp Wed Oct 15 07:49:53 2003 From: grant at tuins.ac.jp (rg) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 16:49:53 +0900 Subject: login screen and start-up screen screenshots In-Reply-To: <1066203705.6024.68.camel@wombat.tiptoe.de> References: <1066178503.3221.33.camel@ryan> <3F8C8AB5.7030403@tuins.ac.jp> <1066203705.6024.68.camel@wombat.tiptoe.de> Message-ID: <3F8CFC21.8030905@tuins.ac.jp> > > >>Need screenshots of the login screen and graphical start-up screens. Is >>it possible to take screenshots of those or where can I access them? >> >> > >From the release notes: > >""" >o During a graphical installation, you can press SHIFT-Print Screen and >a screenshot of the current installation screen will be taken. These are >stored in the following directory: > > /root/anaconda-screenshots/ > >The screenshots can be accessed once the newly-installed system is >rebooted. >""" > >Or run the installer in VNC mode and make screenshots of the VNC window >(though they might look worse depending on your VNC settings). > >Nils > > Thanks, but the points you mention are only for screenshots of the installation process, no? I mean the normal everyday post-installation-and-forever-after GDM login screen (the new cool gray one) and the new boot up graphics (new cool gray ones). Is it possible to take screenshots of those too? ralston From seyman at wanadoo.fr Wed Oct 15 07:55:03 2003 From: seyman at wanadoo.fr (Emmanuel Seyman) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 09:55:03 +0200 Subject: Openldap woes on severn3 Message-ID: <20031015075503.GA7954@orient.maison> I'm trying to setup an openldap server with Fedora 0.95 and I'm having a couple of issues. Running the command "service ldap starts" logs this in /var/log/messages: Oct 4 06:59:06 rokjor slapd[7847]: ldbm: ==> unable to initialize mutex: Function not implemented Oct 4 06:59:06 rokjor slapd[7847]: ldbm: ==> process-private: unable to initialize environment lock: Function not implemented Oct 4 06:59:06 rokjor slapd[7847]: ldbm_initialize_env(): FATAL error in dbEnv->open() : Function not implemented (38) Oct 4 06:59:06 rokjor ldap: D?rrage de slapd succeeded Injecting an ldif file gives the following error message: SASL/DIGEST-MD5 authentication started ldap_sasl_interactive_bind_s: Internal (implementation specific) error (80) additional info: SASL(-13): user not found: no secret in database Am I doing something wrong or is this something to bugzilla? Emmanuel From david.balazic at uni-mb.si Wed Oct 15 07:55:16 2003 From: david.balazic at uni-mb.si (DAVID BALAZIC) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 09:55:16 +0200 Subject: Pause at kernel boot Message-ID: <01L1UQNQ71WY007IOF@rcum.uni-mb.si> >Well, I don't have a drive connected to the second SATA channel, >so basicly it's timing out waiting for a response to a drive that >doesn't exist? yes > Is there a way to tell it to stop looking for a >drive there? A kernel command line parameter, someting like hdg=none or hdg=noprobe. Check the docs :-) I would look in /usr/src/linux/Documentation/ first ... >Thanks, >Richard > >----- Original Message ----- >From: DAVID BALAZIC >Date: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 3:06 am >Subject: Re: Pause at kernel boot > >> Richard Shaw wrote: >> >> >No, its only about 10 or 15 seconds, just enough to be annoying >> but not >> >bad enough to be a show stopper. I guess I'll just wait for 0.95 >> since>up2date stopped working with out some work-a-rounds. >> > >> >Another question, how does it label drives? Because I have a standard >> >ATA-133 primary and secondary (a/b/c/d) and two SATA channels >> which are >> >only one drive each, (e/f). Which the SATA drive is labeled >> correctly as >> >"e". How does it get to "g"? >> >> A SATA channel is two units (hde/hdf and hdg/hdh), at least in >> software,even if really only one unit can be connected. >> Backward compatibility and stuff... >> >> > >> >Richard >> > >> >On Mon, 2003-10-13 at 07:36, DAVID BALAZIC wrote: >> >> From: Richard Shaw >> >> >> >> >I just installed severn 2 on my ASUS A7N8X-Deluxe and I have a >> strange>> >pause when booting. I'm using a 120GB SATA Maxtor drive >> with the Silicon >> >> >Image SiI3112 onboard SATA. I've included the part of dmesg >> that applies >> >> >along with where the pause is. >> >> >> >> Is the pause 30 seconds long ? >> >> Then the kernel is just trying to detect hdg, and when there is >> no response, >> >> it concludes that there is no drive attached. >> >> >> >> The pause could be shortened. >> >> I have the same SiI 3112 SATA controller and noticed the same >> thing.>> As I have no SATA drives, I have 2x30 seconds of pause, >> 30 seconds >> >> for each channel. The driver author ( Andre Hedrcik, IIRC ) said >> >> that he might shorten it down ,"when he has time" :-) >> >> >> >> >> >> >Thanks, >> >> > >> >> >Richard >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >Uniform Multi-Platform E-IDE driver Revision: 7.00beta4-2.4 >> >> >ide: Assuming 33MHz system bus speed for PIO modes; override with >> >> >idebus=xx >> >> >NFORCE2: IDE controller at PCI slot 00:09.0 >> >> >NFORCE2: chipset revision 162 >> >> >NFORCE2: not 100% native mode: will probe irqs later >> >> >AMD_IDE: nVidia Corporation nForce2 IDE (rev a2) UDMA100 >> controller on >> >> >pci00:09.0 >> >> > ide0: BM-DMA at 0xf000-0xf007, BIOS settings: hda:DMA, hdb:DMA >> >> > ide1: BM-DMA at 0xf008-0xf00f, BIOS settings: hdc:DMA, hdd:DMA >> >> >SiI3112 Serial ATA: IDE controller at PCI slot 01:0b.0 >> >> >SiI3112 Serial ATA: chipset revision 2 >> >> >SiI3112 Serial ATA: not 100% native mode: will probe irqs later >> >> > ide2: MMIO-DMA , BIOS settings: hde:pio, hdf:pio >> >> > ide3: MMIO-DMA , BIOS settings: hdg:pio, hdh:pio >> >> >hdb: C/H/S=20510/81/100 from BIOS ignored >> >> >hda: PLEXTOR CD-R PX-W2410A, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive >> >> >hdb: IOMEGA ZIP 250 ATAPI, ATAPI FLOPPY drive >> >> >hdb: set_drive_speed_status: status=0x51 { DriveReady >> SeekComplete Error >> >> >} >> >> >hdb: set_drive_speed_status: error=0x04 >> >> >ide0: Drive 1 didn't accept speed setting. Oh, well. >> >> >hdc: Pioneer DVD-ROM ATAPIModel DVD-115 0133, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM >> drive>> >hde: Maxtor 6Y120M0, ATA DISK drive >> >> >blk: queue c0407118, I/O limit 4095Mb (mask 0xffffffff) >> >> >*** Pauses Here *** >> >> >hdg: no response (status = 0xfe) >> >> >ide0 at 0x1f0-0x1f7,0x3f6 on irq 14 >> >> >ide1 at 0x170-0x177,0x376 on irq 15 >> >> >ide2 at 0xe0815080-0xe0815087,0xe081508a on irq 11 >> >> >hde: attached ide-disk driver. >> >> >hde: host protected area => 1 >> >> >hde: 240121728 sectors (122942 MB) w/7936KiB Cache, >> CHS=238216/16/63>> >hdb: attached ide-floppy driver. >> >> >hdb: 98304kB, 196608 blocks, 512 sector size >> >> >hdb: 98304kB, 96/64/32 CHS, 4096 kBps, 512 sector size, 2941 rpm >> >> >Partition check: >> >> > hdb: hdb4 >> >> > hde: [PTBL] [14946/255/63] hde1 hde2 hde3 hde4 < hde5 hde6 > >> >> >ide: late registration of driver. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >-- >> >> >fedora-test-list mailing list >> >> >fedora-test-list at redhat.com >> >> >http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list >> > >> > >> >-- >> >fedora-test-list mailing list >> >fedora-test-list at redhat.com >> >http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list >> >> -- >> David Balazic >> E-mail : david.balazic at uni-mb.si | living in sLOVEnija >> home page: http://surf.to/stein >> -- >> >> >> -- >> fedora-test-list mailing list >> fedora-test-list at redhat.com >> http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list >> > > >-- >fedora-test-list mailing list >fedora-test-list at redhat.com >http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list -- David Balazic E-mail : david.balazic at uni-mb.si | living in sLOVEnija home page: http://surf.to/stein -- From fedora at warmcat.com Wed Oct 15 08:02:09 2003 From: fedora at warmcat.com (Andy Green) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 09:02:09 +0100 Subject: soundserver error on KDE startup in fedora 0.94 In-Reply-To: <000801c39279$952d06c0$020114ac@windows> References: <000801c39279$952d06c0$020114ac@windows> Message-ID: <200310150902.11220.fedora@warmcat.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Tuesday 14 October 2003 18:35, Andy Hall wrote: > Cheers for the tips Andy, but it seems as though my sound card is a > tweaked version by Dell... > > http://delltalk.us.dell.com/supportforums/board/message?board.id=di >m_audio&message.id=39953 Hm, tweaked == cost-reduced I think. > I'll put this into bugzilla, and hopefully someone will try and get > the OEM Dell cards to work with Fedora. I think you should look at http://www.alsa-project.org first and try it. Alsa is replacing the OSS sound stuff in the 2.6 kernels and is included in those kernels. I had a lot of luck with it on many weird and wonderful old laptops. http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/doc-php/template.php?company=Creative+Labs&card=Soundblaster+Live+Value&chip=EMU10K1&module=emu10k1 ...says that you're out of luck tho (look at the bottom). > I mean, RedHat and Dell work closely together, right? Dell hate Linux :-( - -Andy -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/jP8BjKeDCxMJCTIRAj6zAJ9LHA64wiCm7Px4ydR3pnCfgBX6mQCdEK1I Ns03laIX6giVAB0rYMFTWtw= =hJEp -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From jtlegbandt at earthlink.net Wed Oct 15 08:23:38 2003 From: jtlegbandt at earthlink.net (Joshua Legbandt) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 01:23:38 -0700 Subject: Wlan problem and enterprise neads In-Reply-To: <1066051913.3902.11.camel@suburbia> References: <1066051913.3902.11.camel@suburbia> Message-ID: <1066206218.3924.4.camel@suburbia> On Mon, 2003-10-13 at 06:31, Joshua Legbandt wrote: > On Mon, 2003-10-13 at 06:08, Hemgren, Christer wrote: > > Hello > > > > I 'm using the latest "Severn Beta 2 (i386)" updated 12 Oct on a Compaq > > laptop and are > > very pleased with it, but i have problem with the PCMCIA wlan cards. > > > > It's got broken after a up2date. I can use the Cisco aironet 350 as i hade > > one the install moment but when i shift to "PRISMA2" chipset card Netgear > > MA401, it don't work. Kudzu finds it. > > > > The "Netgear MA401" worke to associate with the CISCO AP1200 before it got > > broken using > > > > iwconfig eth2 essid "secret" > > > > But the Cisco aironet 350 card don't associate if it is not a broadcasted > > ssid (by a sheep 3Com AP at home)!!!! > > > > I have try Arjan's "2.6 test7.1.52.rpm" kernel and in that no wlan card or > > USB mouse works. > Using Arjan's 2.6-test7.1.51 and 2.6-test7.1.52 kernels, I have been > unable to get my wireless to work as well, using the kernels out of > rawhide/fedora-updates wlan works just fine. I only recently started > using the 2.6 kernels since test7 when they started working with my > touchpad and my usb mouse, so I don't know if wlan worked in previous > releases. The problem I'm seeing, is that even though it looks like my > pcmcia card is recognized, the ethernet the alias between the card and > eth1 (on my system) is not created. I'm willing to provide whatever logs > or other debugging info might be helpful towards resolving this > (however, I haven't had the time to dig into it myself yet)... > > -josh Just installed Arjan's 2.6.0-0.test7.1.56 kernel and I get the same behavior, output for /var/log/messages when I insert the pcmcia card: Oct 15 01:15:14 suburbia cardmgr[3200]: socket 0: 11 Mbps Wireless PC Card Oct 15 01:15:14 suburbia kernel: cs: memory probe 0xa0000000-0xa0ffffff: clean. Oct 15 01:15:14 suburbia cardmgr[3200]: executing: 'modprobe hermes' Oct 15 01:15:14 suburbia cardmgr[3200]: executing: 'modprobe orinoco' Oct 15 01:15:14 suburbia cardmgr[3200]: executing: 'modprobe orinoco_cs' Oct 15 01:15:14 suburbia kernel: ds: unable to create instance of 'orinoco_cs'! Oct 15 01:15:14 suburbia cardmgr[3200]: bind 'orinoco_cs' to socket 0 failed: No such device when I remove the card, I get the following: Oct 15 01:15:54 suburbia cardmgr[3200]: executing: 'modprobe -r orinoco_cs' Oct 15 01:15:54 suburbia cardmgr[3200]: executing: 'modprobe -r orinoco' Oct 15 01:15:54 suburbia cardmgr[3200]: + FATAL: Module orinoco is not in kernel. Oct 15 01:15:54 suburbia cardmgr[3200]: modprobe exited with status 1 Oct 15 01:15:54 suburbia cardmgr[3200]: executing: 'modprobe -r hermes' Oct 15 01:15:54 suburbia cardmgr[3200]: + FATAL: Module hermes is not in kernel. Oct 15 01:15:54 suburbia cardmgr[3200]: modprobe exited with status 1 -- Joshua Legbandt From alexl at redhat.com Wed Oct 15 08:27:52 2003 From: alexl at redhat.com (Alexander Larsson) Date: 15 Oct 2003 10:27:52 +0200 Subject: test3 - Bluecurve not bluecurving with nautilus buttons (and others) In-Reply-To: <3F8C0380.9070506@tuins.ac.jp> References: <1066134458.4719.2.camel@Memphis> <1066139821.5529.2.camel@gstpc.earthlink.net> <3F8C0380.9070506@tuins.ac.jp> Message-ID: <1066206471.20063.225.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2003-10-14 at 16:09, rg wrote: > Another thing I noticed with test3 is that the bluecurve buttons in > Nautilus have given way to the standard GNOME buttons. Same in various > other windows (Theme selection window, for example). The window borders > are Bluecurve, but the controls are all GNOME. Is this a bug or the way > it is supposed to be? fixed in redhat-artwork 0.85-1. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Alexander Larsson Red Hat, Inc alexl at redhat.com alla at lysator.liu.se He's a suave bohemian hairdresser gone bad. She's a strong-willed renegade research scientist from out of town. They fight crime! From pavelr at coresma.com Wed Oct 15 08:57:23 2003 From: pavelr at coresma.com (Pavel Rosenboim) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 10:57:23 +0200 Subject: Flash plugin for mozilla In-Reply-To: <1066193063.17273.1.camel@bart.netlyncs.com> References: <1066193063.17273.1.camel@bart.netlyncs.com> Message-ID: <3F8D0BF3.1020009@coresma.com> Mike Chambers wrote: > Has anyone been able to install and get flash to work with the mozilla > in Fedora test 3? I downloaded and isntalled it from macromedia's web > site but the plugin isn't showing up in Help/About plugins menu. > > Any ideas? > Same here. Tried to copy files to /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins and to /usr/lib/mozilla-1.4.1/plugins, but plugin is not recognized. From david.balazic at uni-mb.si Wed Oct 15 08:57:10 2003 From: david.balazic at uni-mb.si (DAVID BALAZIC) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 10:57:10 +0200 Subject: Pause at kernel boot Message-ID: <01L1USRHLCK2007KO9@rcum.uni-mb.si> From: DAVID BALAZIC >>Well, I don't have a drive connected to the second SATA channel, >>so basicly it's timing out waiting for a response to a drive that >>doesn't exist? > >yes > >> Is there a way to tell it to stop looking for a >>drive there? > >A kernel command line parameter, someting like hdg=none or >hdg=noprobe. Check the docs :-) >I would look in /usr/src/linux/Documentation/ first ... OK, I looked into /usr/src/linux-2.4/Documentation/ide.txt and the correct syntax is : hdg=none You can also try this : ide3=noprobe Regards, David > >>Thanks, >>Richard >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: DAVID BALAZIC >>Date: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 3:06 am >>Subject: Re: Pause at kernel boot >> >>> Richard Shaw wrote: >>> >>> >No, its only about 10 or 15 seconds, just enough to be annoying >>> but not >>> >bad enough to be a show stopper. I guess I'll just wait for 0.95 >>> since>up2date stopped working with out some work-a-rounds. >>> > >>> >Another question, how does it label drives? Because I have a standard >>> >ATA-133 primary and secondary (a/b/c/d) and two SATA channels >>> which are >>> >only one drive each, (e/f). Which the SATA drive is labeled >>> correctly as >>> >"e". How does it get to "g"? >>> >>> A SATA channel is two units (hde/hdf and hdg/hdh), at least in >>> software,even if really only one unit can be connected. >>> Backward compatibility and stuff... >>> >>> > >>> >Richard >>> > >>> >On Mon, 2003-10-13 at 07:36, DAVID BALAZIC wrote: >>> >> From: Richard Shaw >>> >> >>> >> >I just installed severn 2 on my ASUS A7N8X-Deluxe and I have a >>> strange>> >pause when booting. I'm using a 120GB SATA Maxtor drive >>> with the Silicon >>> >> >Image SiI3112 onboard SATA. I've included the part of dmesg >>> that applies >>> >> >along with where the pause is. >>> >> >>> >> Is the pause 30 seconds long ? >>> >> Then the kernel is just trying to detect hdg, and when there is >>> no response, >>> >> it concludes that there is no drive attached. >>> >> >>> >> The pause could be shortened. >>> >> I have the same SiI 3112 SATA controller and noticed the same >>> thing.>> As I have no SATA drives, I have 2x30 seconds of pause, >>> 30 seconds >>> >> for each channel. The driver author ( Andre Hedrcik, IIRC ) said >>> >> that he might shorten it down ,"when he has time" :-) >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >Thanks, >>> >> > >>> >> >Richard >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> >Uniform Multi-Platform E-IDE driver Revision: 7.00beta4-2.4 >>> >> >ide: Assuming 33MHz system bus speed for PIO modes; override with >>> >> >idebus=xx >>> >> >NFORCE2: IDE controller at PCI slot 00:09.0 >>> >> >NFORCE2: chipset revision 162 >>> >> >NFORCE2: not 100% native mode: will probe irqs later >>> >> >AMD_IDE: nVidia Corporation nForce2 IDE (rev a2) UDMA100 >>> controller on >>> >> >pci00:09.0 >>> >> > ide0: BM-DMA at 0xf000-0xf007, BIOS settings: hda:DMA, hdb:DMA >>> >> > ide1: BM-DMA at 0xf008-0xf00f, BIOS settings: hdc:DMA, hdd:DMA >>> >> >SiI3112 Serial ATA: IDE controller at PCI slot 01:0b.0 >>> >> >SiI3112 Serial ATA: chipset revision 2 >>> >> >SiI3112 Serial ATA: not 100% native mode: will probe irqs later >>> >> > ide2: MMIO-DMA , BIOS settings: hde:pio, hdf:pio >>> >> > ide3: MMIO-DMA , BIOS settings: hdg:pio, hdh:pio >>> >> >hdb: C/H/S=20510/81/100 from BIOS ignored >>> >> >hda: PLEXTOR CD-R PX-W2410A, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive >>> >> >hdb: IOMEGA ZIP 250 ATAPI, ATAPI FLOPPY drive >>> >> >hdb: set_drive_speed_status: status=0x51 { DriveReady >>> SeekComplete Error >>> >> >} >>> >> >hdb: set_drive_speed_status: error=0x04 >>> >> >ide0: Drive 1 didn't accept speed setting. Oh, well. >>> >> >hdc: Pioneer DVD-ROM ATAPIModel DVD-115 0133, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM >>> drive>> >hde: Maxtor 6Y120M0, ATA DISK drive >>> >> >blk: queue c0407118, I/O limit 4095Mb (mask 0xffffffff) >>> >> >*** Pauses Here *** >>> >> >hdg: no response (status = 0xfe) >>> >> >ide0 at 0x1f0-0x1f7,0x3f6 on irq 14 >>> >> >ide1 at 0x170-0x177,0x376 on irq 15 >>> >> >ide2 at 0xe0815080-0xe0815087,0xe081508a on irq 11 >>> >> >hde: attached ide-disk driver. >>> >> >hde: host protected area => 1 >>> >> >hde: 240121728 sectors (122942 MB) w/7936KiB Cache, >>> CHS=238216/16/63>> >hdb: attached ide-floppy driver. >>> >> >hdb: 98304kB, 196608 blocks, 512 sector size >>> >> >hdb: 98304kB, 96/64/32 CHS, 4096 kBps, 512 sector size, 2941 rpm >>> >> >Partition check: >>> >> > hdb: hdb4 >>> >> > hde: [PTBL] [14946/255/63] hde1 hde2 hde3 hde4 < hde5 hde6 > >>> >> >ide: late registration of driver. >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> >-- >>> >> >fedora-test-list mailing list >>> >> >fedora-test-list at redhat.com >>> >> >http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list >>> > >>> > >>> >-- >>> >fedora-test-list mailing list >>> >fedora-test-list at redhat.com >>> >http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list >>> >>> -- >>> David Balazic >>> E-mail : david.balazic at uni-mb.si | living in sLOVEnija >>> home page: http://surf.to/stein >>> -- >>> >>> >>> -- >>> fedora-test-list mailing list >>> fedora-test-list at redhat.com >>> http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list >>> >> >> >>-- >>fedora-test-list mailing list >>fedora-test-list at redhat.com >>http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > >-- >David Balazic >E-mail : david.balazic at uni-mb.si | living in sLOVEnija >home page: http://surf.to/stein >-- > > >-- >fedora-test-list mailing list >fedora-test-list at redhat.com >http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list -- David Balazic E-mail : david.balazic at uni-mb.si | living in sLOVEnija home page: http://surf.to/stein -- From p00mda at du.se Wed Oct 15 09:18:59 2003 From: p00mda at du.se (Mattias Dahlberg) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 11:18:59 +0200 (MEST) Subject: Services Message-ID: Hi, There have been many discussions on how to make the startup faster. One of the easiest ways is to turn off any services that you don't need. In regard to this I wonder about some services that are started by default (even in the Personal Desktop setup) and whether it would be possible to detect if the user really needs them or not. Two examples: pcmcia and isdn. Because pcmcia has always been started by default (even on non-laptops) I presume there's no reliable way to detect if the computer has pcmcia slots or not? How about isdn, maybe it could be included only if a modem has been detected? Other services that are on by default: nfslock, sendmail and sshd. Any way it could be detected if the user actually needs these? When I installed Fedora Core test3 nfs wasn't started, but nfslock was. Maybe sshd could be added only if OpenSSH has been configured? Just curious. Regards, Mattias From hutigers at hotmail.com Wed Oct 15 09:49:15 2003 From: hutigers at hotmail.com (=?gb2312?B?1dgg9s4=?=) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 17:49:15 +0800 Subject: Flash plugin for mozilla Message-ID: >>Has anyone been able to install and get flash to work with the mozilla >>in Fedora test 3? I downloaded and isntalled it from macromedia's web >>site but the plugin isn't showing up in Help/About plugins menu. >>Any ideas? I think if you use the .tar.gz file from the Marcomedia website, you can install it even without root permission. For me, I use mozilla and Konqueror also. What I need to do is just tar zxvf the file. then run the flashplayer-installer file by ./flashplayer-installer then the script will lead me to choose which directory to install. For me, it is .mozilla and .netscape, I choose to install to them all. Because mozilla needs .mozilla and Konqueror needs .netscape. After install you will find two files(flashplayer.xpt libflashplayer.so) in both .mozilla/plugins and .netscape/plugins directories. So I think if you cp them to the directory, it should also work. However, I find a file named pluginreg.dat in .mozilla/, when using cat to see it, it appears like [hutigers at www hutigers]$ cat .mozilla/pluginreg.dat Generated File. Do not edit. [HEADER] Version:0.08:$ [PLUGINS] /home/hutigers/.mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so:$ :$ 1065431790000:1:7:$ Shockwave Flash 6.0 r79:$ Shockwave Flash:$ 2 0:application/x-shockwave-flash:Shockwave Flash:swf:$ 1:application/futuresplash:FutureSplash Player:spl:$ /usr/lib/mozilla-1.4.1/plugins/libnullplugin.so:$ :$ 1066075357000:1:5:$ The default plugin handles plugin data for mimetypes and extensions that are not specified and facilitates downloading of new plugins.:$ Default Plugin:$ 1 0:*:All types:.*:$ As it says, it is generated. I think if you can not use the flash, you then can rename the file then it will generate again. Do this if what I say above does not work. huhu Oct. 15th, 2003 _________________________________________________________________ ??????????????? MSN Hotmail? http://www.hotmail.com From david.balazic at uni-mb.si Wed Oct 15 10:02:14 2003 From: david.balazic at uni-mb.si (DAVID BALAZIC) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 12:02:14 +0200 Subject: Mozilla 1.5 out Message-ID: <01L1UV3NN092007YWX@rcum.uni-mb.si> Mozilla 1.5 is out. Any chance to see it in Cambridge ( or whatever the codename for this project is ) ? If this has already been discussed, then please excuse my noise ( but someone send me a summary of what was told , please ). Regards, David From martin at wolkje.net Wed Oct 15 10:07:35 2003 From: martin at wolkje.net (Martin Sturm) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 12:07:35 +0200 Subject: Services In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1066210072.3072.1.camel@dyn224-aud.nbw.tue.nl> Mattias Dahlberg wrote: > Hi, > > There have been many discussions on how to make the startup faster. One of > the easiest ways is to turn off any services that you don't need. In regard > to this I wonder about some services that are started by default (even in > the Personal Desktop setup) and whether it would be possible to detect if > the user really needs them or not. > > Two examples: pcmcia and isdn. Because pcmcia has always been started by > default (even on non-laptops) I presume there's no reliable way to detect > if the computer has pcmcia slots or not? How about isdn, maybe it could be > included only if a modem has been detected? > > Other services that are on by default: nfslock, sendmail and sshd. Any way > it could be detected if the user actually needs these? When I installed > Fedora Core test3 nfs wasn't started, but nfslock was. Maybe sshd could be > added only if OpenSSH has been configured? > > Just curious. > > Regards, > Mattias > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > NFSLock has no dependency or something like that with the nfs service. NFS service consists of a NFS-server. NFSlock is also necessary if one mount NFS drives on the system. It prevent some locking problems regarding with NFS. Martin Sturm From reader at newsguy.com Wed Oct 15 10:24:22 2003 From: reader at newsguy.com (Harry Putnam) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 05:24:22 -0500 Subject: Grub and `other' OS In-Reply-To: <1066187638.5935.2.camel@keelie.tampabay.rr.com> (James Drabb's message of "Tue, 14 Oct 2003 23:13:58 -0400") References: <1066187638.5935.2.camel@keelie.tampabay.rr.com> Message-ID: James Drabb writes: >>From the file /usr/src/linux/Documentation/fb/vesafb.txt > > | 640x480 800x600 1024x768 1280x1024 > ----+------------------------------------- > 256 | 0x301 0x303 0x305 0x307 > 32k | 0x310 0x313 0x316 0x319 > 64k | 0x311 0x314 0x317 0x31A > 16M | 0x312 0x315 0x318 0x31B > > Use one of these numbers instead of the ask value for vga. On my > laptop, I use 800x600 @ 64k by appending vga=0x314 to my kernel line > in grub.conf. Ah yes, this avoids those horrible looking fonts that get used at vga=3 or 6, and the size remains in place throughout bootup. vga=0x318 seems about right here.... Thanks. From reader at newsguy.com Wed Oct 15 10:32:58 2003 From: reader at newsguy.com (Harry Putnam) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 05:32:58 -0500 Subject: no shell command hist on arrow keys Message-ID: I've seen no mention in recent posts about this: After booting (test2) and arriving at an X desktop (gnome) my xterms or gnome-terms have no shell history buffer. Nothing comes up on the arrow keys. Further, I find I cannot scroll up inside vi[m] or emacs, just down. Readline packages are installed and show no problems with: rpm -V readline rpm -V readline-devel Haven't ventured into test3 yet but wondered if anyone has noticed this same problem? From mharris at redhat.com Wed Oct 15 10:51:19 2003 From: mharris at redhat.com (Mike A. Harris) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 06:51:19 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Services In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, 15 Oct 2003, Mattias Dahlberg wrote: >There have been many discussions on how to make the startup faster. One of >the easiest ways is to turn off any services that you don't need. In regard >to this I wonder about some services that are started by default (even in >the Personal Desktop setup) and whether it would be possible to detect if >the user really needs them or not. > >Two examples: pcmcia and isdn. Because pcmcia has always been started by >default (even on non-laptops) I presume there's no reliable way to detect >if the computer has pcmcia slots or not? How about isdn, maybe it could be >included only if a modem has been detected? > >Other services that are on by default: nfslock, sendmail and sshd. Any way >it could be detected if the user actually needs these? When I installed [root at devel root]# /usr/bin/time service isdn start 0.01user 0.00system 0:00.02elapsed 96%CPU (0avgtext+0avgdata 0maxresident)k 0inputs+0outputs (942major+322minor)pagefaults 0swaps Saving 0.02 seconds during boot time isn't worth the effort for isdn at least. I don't have the pcmcia package installed to test that. IMHO, before considering spending any time at all on improving something strictly for performance benefits, one needs to evaluate if there is any significant performance loss to begin with. In the case of the isdn script above, I do not have ISDN service, nor is it configured, which will be the state for the majority of users out there. Losing 0.02 seconds during boot time is not a significant loss to care about. If it took 2 seconds, then it would be worth investigation mind you. >Fedora Core test3 nfs wasn't started, but nfslock was. Maybe sshd could be >added only if OpenSSH has been configured? How exactly? I'm not sure that makes any sense. On a fresh OS installation, I expect to be able to ssh to that machine over the network, and to do so without editing any ssh config files. I don't mind if I have to personally run ntsysv and turn "sshd" on and start the service the first time, but editing config files is not something I want to _have_ to do in order to run an ssh server. It should work out-of-box in a general sense without configuration, and our existing default works well. The client side and server side of ssh are entirely isolated and wether one is planning on using the client or the server, neither should be installed or configured based upon the other. Not exactly sure what you're suggesting here... configure what exactly? -- Mike A. Harris ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris OS Systems Engineer - XFree86 maintainer - Red Hat From mharris at redhat.com Wed Oct 15 10:56:18 2003 From: mharris at redhat.com (Mike A. Harris) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 06:56:18 -0400 (EDT) Subject: XFree86 available via yum In-Reply-To: <20031014174516.GB10427@ip68-4-255-84.oc.oc.cox.net> References: <200310121635.45173.elwoo@videotron.ca> <3F89D427.7090702@wanadoo.es> <20031014174516.GB10427@ip68-4-255-84.oc.oc.cox.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 14 Oct 2003, Barry K. Nathan wrote: >[snip] >> make them available in both locations. Personally, I favour ftp, >> as it works with commandline ncftp, etc. and I dislike using text >> web browsers in place of commandline ftp clients... ;o) > >lftp is a command-line FTP client that supports HTTP, however :) >To see this, try: lftp http://people.redhat.com/arjanv/2.5/ >If you're still not convinced, change the "http" to "ftp" and watch it >fail. I'm not looking for new software tools however. ncftp, mc, and other tools I use now and have used for 8+ years still work perfectly fine for me today. I use FTP both graphically in mozilla, fullscreen in text with Midnight Commander's ftpfs virtual filesystem, and with ncftp and other commandline tools like wget, etc. They work fine. I use mozilla mostly for web browsing. The ftp protocol while sometimes a PITA to IP filter effectively in either direction, is quite functional, and it does support features which generally all commandline ftp clients, and many GUI ftp clients do not support. HTTP either doesn't support that at all, or if it does, it isn't commonly known and/or implemented in common web browser software. Either way, even if I could chmod files, create directories, move things, etc. with HTTP, I'm not about to change 8 years of habits for no really useful gain. ;o) -- Mike A. Harris ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris OS Systems Engineer - XFree86 maintainer - Red Hat From p00mda at du.se Wed Oct 15 11:16:58 2003 From: p00mda at du.se (Mattias Dahlberg) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 13:16:58 +0200 (MEST) Subject: Services In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 15 Oct 2003, Mike A. Harris wrote: > Saving 0.02 seconds during boot time isn't worth the effort for > isdn at least. Ok. > How exactly? I'm not sure that makes any sense. On a fresh OS > installation, I expect to be able to ssh to that machine over the > network, and to do so without editing any ssh config files. You're right. But maybe it's an example of a service that could be off by default and if you need it you simply use redhat-config-services and put a checkmark in front of it. But of course, if a service takes zero seconds to start, has no noticable memory foot print and could never cause security problems it makes no sense to remove it from the startup. Regards, Mattias From jryden at thebox.our-own.net Wed Oct 15 11:13:59 2003 From: jryden at thebox.our-own.net (Joakim Ryden) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 04:13:59 -0700 Subject: Services In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200310150413.59048.jryden@thebox.our-own.net> On Wednesday 15 October 2003 04:16 am, Mattias Dahlberg wrote: > On Wed, 15 Oct 2003, Mike A. Harris wrote: > > Saving 0.02 seconds during boot time isn't worth the effort for > > isdn at least. > > Ok. > > > How exactly? I'm not sure that makes any sense. On a fresh OS > > installation, I expect to be able to ssh to that machine over the > > network, and to do so without editing any ssh config files. > > You're right. But maybe it's an example of a service that could be off by > default and if you need it you simply use redhat-config-services and put a > checkmark in front of it. > > But of course, if a service takes zero seconds to start, has no noticable > memory foot print and could never cause security problems it makes no sense > to remove it from the startup. I think a default policy of "start as little as possible" should always be the goal from all kinds of perspectives (security, startup time etc etc). Show me a piece of software that could never cause security problems and I will show you a very rich and famous programmer. :-) --Jo From pauln at truemesh.com Wed Oct 15 11:19:16 2003 From: pauln at truemesh.com (Paul Nasrat) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 12:19:16 +0100 Subject: XFree86 available via yum In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20031015111915.GW24349@shitake.truemesh.com> On Sat, Oct 11, 2003 at 07:52:46AM -0400, Mike A. Harris wrote: > I have made XFree86 available via yum on people.redhat.com. This > is my first time setting up a yum repository, and I've never used > Please test the repository out, and feel free to provide feedback > both good and/or bad about it. up2date supports src.rpm retrieval for yum repositories, I guess not many people use it but it may be worth using yum-arch -s to generate the header file for src.rpms. Cheers Paul From jorton at redhat.com Wed Oct 15 11:31:37 2003 From: jorton at redhat.com (Joe Orton) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 12:31:37 +0100 Subject: xml-rpc in php In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20031015113137.GA17271@redhat.com> On Wed, Oct 15, 2003 at 12:14:48AM +0200, Pau Aliagas wrote: > Will the xml-rpc packge be enabled by default in Fedora's final release? > I have to keep my RPMS manually built just to include it. Can you file an enhancement request against php? Thanks! joe From mharris at redhat.com Wed Oct 15 11:37:50 2003 From: mharris at redhat.com (Mike A. Harris) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 07:37:50 -0400 (EDT) Subject: XFree86 available via yum In-Reply-To: <3F8C9C69.4070006@wanadoo.es> References: <200310121635.45173.elwoo@videotron.ca> <3F89D427.7090702@wanadoo.es> <3F8C9C69.4070006@wanadoo.es> Message-ID: On Wed, 15 Oct 2003, Xose Vazquez Perez wrote: >> are in separate locations, so a file appearing at an ftp:// URL >> will not be at an http:// URL because they are different >> protocols with different storage locations on the hard disk >> arrays. Some developers may or may not hardlink the files to >> make them available in both locations. Personally, I favour ftp, > >the question is: why are they different? Because FTP was designed in the 70's or 80's as a file transfer protocol, and HTTP was designed in the early 90's as a hypertext transfer protocol. The two have different purposes, however nowadays there is some overlap of functionality between the protocols. I'm not sure why this matters however. >if they are public servers :-? Because people wish to make web pages, and FTP doesn't serve web pages (although some browsers will render html pages as if they were web pages on a web server), and people also wish to make files available for download via FTP. Others prefer to make their files available for download using HTTP instead. >why is closed http index and ftp is opened?.... X files, sources are >out there :-) I don't understand your question, can you reword it? >> as it works with commandline ncftp, etc. and I dislike using text >> web browsers in place of commandline ftp clients... ;o) > >there is command line web clients like elinks, w3m... >I know that FTP was designed for file transfer but HTTP usually >is faster, for me. I've been using text mode web browsers since 1994, so I'm aware of their existance. A text mode web browser isn't a replacement for a text mode ftp client however, and never will be. Not in my eyes anyway. I don't really understand the point of your thread to be honest. Are you suggesting that everyone use either ftp for everything, or use http for everything, and then get rid of the other protocol? If so, I disagree with that, because FTP and HTTP do not provide 100% functionality of each other. There is some overlap yes, but it isn't 100%. For file downloading it doesn't matter much, but then file downloading isn't the only reason FTP or HTTP exists. If FTP were to be disabled for whatever reason, I would just move my FTP heirarchy off site to an external FTP server such as www.linux.org.uk, as I prefer using FTP and scp for file transfer, and being my directory structure, I choose what protocols I use. ;o) Anyway.. enough mindless babble from me on the topic... ;o) Take care, TTYL -- Mike A. Harris ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris OS Systems Engineer - XFree86 maintainer - Red Hat From mharris at redhat.com Wed Oct 15 11:39:29 2003 From: mharris at redhat.com (Mike A. Harris) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 07:39:29 -0400 (EDT) Subject: XFree86 available via yum In-Reply-To: <3F89DAC6.2000503@insight.rr.com> References: <3F89DAC6.2000503@insight.rr.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 12 Oct 2003, Jim Cornette wrote: >> I have made XFree86 available via yum on people.redhat.com. This >> is my first time setting up a yum repository, and I've never used >> the yum client, so I have no idea how successful this is >> currently. I've pointed out the repository to many people in IRC >> for a day and a half and gotten no good nor bad feedback, so I >> determined that wasn't the best place to look for testers or >> feedback. >> >> Please test the repository out, and feel free to provide feedback >> both good and/or bad about it. >> >> ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris/testing/unstable >> >> XFree86-4.3.0-39 is there right now for x86, ppc, x86_64, and ia64 > >I installed the new versions from the repository. I then tried going to >the system settings >> display. It asked for a password, but did not go >any further. > >Running the script from a gnome-terminal gave me this error. I logged >out to X to a terminal, then after startx, tried the display command >mentioned above. You didn't just update XFree86 however. You upgraded redhat-config-xfree86 and other things, and that is what broke your setup. Update to the latest rawhide packages, and run redhat-config-xfree86 again. If it fails, report a bug against that package. That has nothing to do with my XFree86 update however as that isn't executing any code from XFree86 packaging. Hope this helps. -- Mike A. Harris ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris OS Systems Engineer - XFree86 maintainer - Red Hat From mharris at redhat.com Wed Oct 15 11:40:05 2003 From: mharris at redhat.com (Mike A. Harris) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 07:40:05 -0400 (EDT) Subject: XFree86 available via yum In-Reply-To: <20031015111915.GW24349@shitake.truemesh.com> References: <20031015111915.GW24349@shitake.truemesh.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 15 Oct 2003, Paul Nasrat wrote: >> I have made XFree86 available via yum on people.redhat.com. This >> is my first time setting up a yum repository, and I've never used > >> Please test the repository out, and feel free to provide feedback >> both good and/or bad about it. > >up2date supports src.rpm retrieval for yum repositories, I guess not >many people use it but it may be worth using yum-arch -s to generate the >header file for src.rpms. Doh! Thanks for the suggestion. I'm updating my script to do that. -- Mike A. Harris ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris OS Systems Engineer - XFree86 maintainer - Red Hat From mharris at redhat.com Wed Oct 15 11:42:31 2003 From: mharris at redhat.com (Mike A. Harris) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 07:42:31 -0400 (EDT) Subject: XFree86 available via yum In-Reply-To: <20031015111915.GW24349@shitake.truemesh.com> References: <20031015111915.GW24349@shitake.truemesh.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 15 Oct 2003, Paul Nasrat wrote: >Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 12:19:16 +0100 >From: Paul Nasrat >To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >List-Id: For testers of Red Hat Linux beta releases > >Subject: Re: XFree86 available via yum > >On Sat, Oct 11, 2003 at 07:52:46AM -0400, Mike A. Harris wrote: >> I have made XFree86 available via yum on people.redhat.com. This >> is my first time setting up a yum repository, and I've never used > >> Please test the repository out, and feel free to provide feedback >> both good and/or bad about it. > >up2date supports src.rpm retrieval for yum repositories, I guess not >many people use it but it may be worth using yum-arch -s to generate the >header file for src.rpms. [mharris at people mharris]$ yum-arch -h Directory of rpms must exist Usage: yum-arch [-v] [-z] [-l] [-c] [-n] [-d] (path of dir where headers/ should/does live) -d = check dependencies and conflicts in tree -v = print debugging information -vv = even more verbose output -q = make the display more quiet -n = don't generate headers -c = check pkgs with gpg and md5 checksums - cannot be used with -n -z = gzip compress the headers [default, will be deprecated as an option] -l = use symlinks as valid rpms when building headers I guess using '-s' is not an option for me... -- Mike A. Harris ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris OS Systems Engineer - XFree86 maintainer - Red Hat From mharris at redhat.com Wed Oct 15 11:46:42 2003 From: mharris at redhat.com (Mike A. Harris) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 07:46:42 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Services In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, 15 Oct 2003, Mattias Dahlberg wrote: >> Saving 0.02 seconds during boot time isn't worth the effort for >> isdn at least. > >Ok. > >> How exactly? I'm not sure that makes any sense. On a fresh OS >> installation, I expect to be able to ssh to that machine over the >> network, and to do so without editing any ssh config files. > >You're right. But maybe it's an example of a service that could be off by >default and if you need it you simply use redhat-config-services and put a >checkmark in front of it. > >But of course, if a service takes zero seconds to start, has no >noticable memory foot print and could never cause security >problems it makes no sense to remove it from the startup. As you say, if there are no security implications for leaving a service enabled, and if that service starts in 0.02 seconds, then it is a convenience feature to enable it. In many cases, enabling such services doesn't even consume any memory as the script runs and exits without starting anything. This is a case where leaving this service on all the time purposefully has real world benefit for users of ISDN, as they don't have to take extra steps to enable a service that there is no real world benefit of us not enabling by default. Even if some services do start a daemon or whatnot that isn't actually used, in most cases the memory usage is quite negligible, and if the service isn't ever used, it'll end up getting swapped out over time anyway. No loss even on machines that just barely meet our minimum system requirements. -- Mike A. Harris ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris OS Systems Engineer - XFree86 maintainer - Red Hat From mharris at redhat.com Wed Oct 15 11:57:32 2003 From: mharris at redhat.com (Mike A. Harris) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 07:57:32 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Services In-Reply-To: <200310150413.59048.jryden@thebox.our-own.net> References: <200310150413.59048.jryden@thebox.our-own.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 15 Oct 2003, Joakim Ryden wrote: >> You're right. But maybe it's an example of a service that could be off by >> default and if you need it you simply use redhat-config-services and put a >> checkmark in front of it. >> >> But of course, if a service takes zero seconds to start, has no noticable >> memory foot print and could never cause security problems it makes no sense >> to remove it from the startup. > >I think a default policy of "start as little as possible" should always be the >goal from all kinds of perspectives (security, startup time etc etc). Show me >a piece of software that could never cause security problems and I will show >you a very rich and famous programmer. :-) There are different and sometimes conflicting goals however. The merits of any decision to change something like this need to have good benefits all around. As stated already, if starting a service by default unconditionally allows more users systems to just work by default, and it does not have security risks, and doesn't have significant resource usage overhead or slow down the bootup sequence noticeably, then there is no harm leaving services running. One could for example argue that many machines out there do not run an X server, so why do we start up xfs at boot by default? The answer is simple: It doesn't harm anything, it is not network enabled by default, and it does make sure the font server is running *if* someone does run it. It also dramatically reduces the likelyhood of Red Hat technical support phonelines being filled with "my X server wont start" and bug reports hitting bugzilla from people who don't even know xfs exists or what it does. That same principle equally applies to other things. An end user doesn't necessarily even know that they need to have the ISDN service running, or PCMCIA, etc.. We may be able to make various improvments to the scripts, startup sequence, parallelization, etc. and optimize it much more, but we also want to make the OS "do the right thing" for as many users as possible, and that means things just working wherever it is easily and sanely possible to have them just work. The users who actually care that ISDN, etc. has started on their systems and they don't and wont ever need it, are usually smart enough to turn those types of services off. The users who do need those services however are not necessarily going to know they need to turn things on. By making the system work in a way that works best for people who aren't necessarily experts, but yet also doesn't make any major security compromises, and has negligible resource usage, it's a better system overall IMHO. Feel free to file bug RFE's in bugzilla if you think a script has issues that we should investigate though, or if you think something is starting that is truely unnecessary. There is always room for improvement, as the recent xfs initscript changes show. ;o) -- Mike A. Harris ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris OS Systems Engineer - XFree86 maintainer - Red Hat From seanc at tech-access.com Wed Oct 15 12:05:25 2003 From: seanc at tech-access.com (Sean Craig) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 16:05:25 +0400 Subject: gnumeric plugins Message-ID: <3F8D3805.7040306@tech-access.com> Hi all, I just spend the last hour using the most foul language ever invented because gnumeric wouldn't export to excel format. Surprise, surprise, it will do this *IF* the plugin is enabled. By default all plugins are disabled!! Maybe we could have the plugins enabled by default? regards Sean Craig From fedora at warmcat.com Wed Oct 15 12:07:06 2003 From: fedora at warmcat.com (Andy Green) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 13:07:06 +0100 Subject: Services In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200310151307.07900.fedora@warmcat.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday 15 October 2003 12:46, Mike A. Harris wrote: > service enabled, and if that service starts in 0.02 seconds, then > it is a convenience feature to enable it. In many cases, > enabling such services doesn't even consume any memory as the I really disagree with this philosophy, although since you guys actually do the work I feel a bit funny arguing about it. 20ms isn't any big shakes but its worth meditating on for its general meaning. A big bottleneck for starting up the machine is the HDD seek time, if by starting this thing up you had to go fetch it and touch the filesystem tables, etc, then that's delaying other things running in the background that could be using the HDD. Its clear that if ISDN was up only on machines with ISDN hardware, that would be optimal. Also, I keep getting a userspace package associated with ISDN installed, this is another case where some kind of virtual ISDN support package that includes the driver and userspace stuff could be installed on detection of the hardware, rather than crufting up the machines here which will never have ISDN. - -Andy -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/jThqjKeDCxMJCTIRAoPzAJwJFejOvUETfVwbokJeBU2+Z6C5SQCfRMr0 YiHozkB1WUqLjv/aYWIiFwk= =o3R2 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From shrek-m at gmx.de Wed Oct 15 12:10:52 2003 From: shrek-m at gmx.de (shrek-m at gmx.de) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 14:10:52 +0200 Subject: XFree86 available via yum In-Reply-To: References: <200310121635.45173.elwoo@videotron.ca> <3F89D427.7090702@wanadoo.es> <3F8C9C69.4070006@wanadoo.es> Message-ID: <3F8D394C.7080505@gmx.de> Mike A. Harris wrote: >On Wed, 15 Oct 2003, Xose Vazquez Perez wrote: > > > >>why is closed http index and ftp is opened?.... X files, sources are >>out there :-) >> >> > >I don't understand your question, can you reword it? > > he mean probably that with http://people.redhat.com/ you get since a few months no indexes "Options Indexes" but with ftp://people.redhat.com/ you can see all subdirectories no problem. s/ftp/http/g ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris/ ftp://people.redhat.com/alan/ http://people.redhat.com/mharris/ http://people.redhat.com/alan/ -- shrek-m From pauln at truemesh.com Wed Oct 15 12:25:16 2003 From: pauln at truemesh.com (Paul Nasrat) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 13:25:16 +0100 Subject: XFree86 available via yum In-Reply-To: References: <20031015111915.GW24349@shitake.truemesh.com> Message-ID: <20031015122513.GX24349@shitake.truemesh.com> On Wed, Oct 15, 2003 at 07:42:31AM -0400, Mike A. Harris wrote: > On Wed, 15 Oct 2003, Paul Nasrat wrote: > >many people use it but it may be worth using yum-arch -s to generate the > [mharris at people mharris]$ yum-arch -h Hmm, yes I'm running yum 2.0.3 an source package genreation is there and shown as an option in yum-arch -h > I guess using '-s' is not an option for me... Looks that way, probably not a big issue, although I note the rawhide repo has been generated with -s. Paul From chrisw01 at privatei.com Wed Oct 15 12:27:23 2003 From: chrisw01 at privatei.com (Christopher A. Williams) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 06:27:23 -0600 Subject: Impressions - Class installed test3 last night Message-ID: <1066220843.21255.9.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> I had my class install test 3 last night and you can really tell the improvements! There's one person in our class who, because of a variety of issues, has a *lot* of experience installing and re-installing all of the software we have tried . He was able to install test 3 on the first attempt. No issues at all. He was actually the second person in the class to finish. Everyone agreed the new install screens with "less visual noise" was a good thing. It looks *much* better. The graphical boot - and more importantly - the mouse, works reliably now at first bootup. It never did before. The one thing we did find is that we enabled the firewall and then set the eth0 interface to allow all traffic. This caused samba (and a few other things like ssh) not to work. Disabling the firewall instead allowed samba to magically act as it should. I'm not sure if that's a bug, but to me if you are going to install a firewall and allow all traffic through on one particular interface, this should be as if there is no firewall on that interface. That doesn't seem to be the case. Overall, the class agreed test3 is definitely close to what it should be for a base install. I'm sure many will want to use the final code when it is ready. Cheers, Chris -- ==================================== "If you get to thinkin' you're a person of some influence, try orderin' someone else's dog around." --Cowboy Wisdom From nbecker at hns.com Wed Oct 15 12:30:20 2003 From: nbecker at hns.com (Neal D. Becker) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 08:30:20 -0400 Subject: yum broken by 0.95 Message-ID: <200310150830.20540.nbecker@hns.com> After a clean install of 0.95, the default yum.conf seems broken. It appears that $releasever is not set, because the value is "Null". Sorry, I am not at the machine currently, so I can't send the exact error message, but running yum it tries to connect to http://.../Null/... where Null appears in place of $releasever from /etc/yum.conf. From jtlegbandt at earthlink.net Wed Oct 15 12:29:45 2003 From: jtlegbandt at earthlink.net (Joshua Legbandt) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 05:29:45 -0700 Subject: up2date's yum functionality Message-ID: <1066220985.4494.2.camel@suburbia> In yum, I can set a baseurl using architecture and release variables like so: http://download.fedora.us/fedora/redhat/$releasever/$basearch/yum/os/ Is it possible to do the same thing with up2date? -josh -- Joshua Legbandt From jtlegbandt at earthlink.net Wed Oct 15 12:32:02 2003 From: jtlegbandt at earthlink.net (Joshua Legbandt) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 05:32:02 -0700 Subject: yum broken by 0.95 In-Reply-To: <200310150830.20540.nbecker@hns.com> References: <200310150830.20540.nbecker@hns.com> Message-ID: <1066221122.4494.5.camel@suburbia> On Wed, 2003-10-15 at 05:30, Neal D. Becker wrote: > After a clean install of 0.95, the default yum.conf seems broken. It appears > that $releasever is not set, because the value is "Null". Sorry, I am not at > the machine currently, so I can't send the exact error message, but running > yum it tries to connect to http://.../Null/... where Null appears in place of > $releasever from /etc/yum.conf. > In /etc/yum.conf change distroverpkg from redhat-release to fedora-release -josh -- Joshua Legbandt From veillard at redhat.com Wed Oct 15 12:35:50 2003 From: veillard at redhat.com (Daniel Veillard) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 08:35:50 -0400 Subject: Yum'ification of the rhn_applet Message-ID: <20031015083550.D16905@redhat.com> I have just released an updated version of rhn_applet which should work better for the Fedora framework: - handle Yum repositories - handle multiple repositories - does not require RHN registration You can find it at: http://people.redhat.com/~veillard/testing/yum/rhn-applet/2.1.0/ the Yum/Fedora repository for it is: http://people.redhat.com/~veillard/testing/yum/rhn-applet/ It uses the same configuration file as up2date, i.e. /etc/sysconfig/rhn/sources Features: - do some caching on the client see ~/.rhn-applet/*.yum - tries to limit the load on servers to a minimal amount - the applet does not need to be restarted if sources are added or removed from /etc/sysconfig/rhn/sources - should be able to handle HTTPS connections TODO: - HTTP(S) proxy support (easy) - FTP support - better error reporting when source are unavailable Feedback welcome, Daniel -- Daniel Veillard | Red Hat Network https://rhn.redhat.com/ veillard at redhat.com | libxml GNOME XML XSLT toolkit http://xmlsoft.org/ http://veillard.com/ | Rpmfind RPM search engine http://rpmfind.net/ From sopwith at redhat.com Wed Oct 15 12:36:02 2003 From: sopwith at redhat.com (Elliot Lee) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 08:36:02 -0400 (EDT) Subject: yum broken by 0.95 In-Reply-To: <200310150830.20540.nbecker@hns.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 15 Oct 2003, Neal D. Becker wrote: > After a clean install of 0.95, the default yum.conf seems broken. It appears > that $releasever is not set, because the value is "Null". Sorry, I am not at > the machine currently, so I can't send the exact error message, but running > yum it tries to connect to http://.../Null/... where Null appears in place of > $releasever from /etc/yum.conf. In yum.conf, change the 'distroverpkg' value to 'fedora-release'. -- Elliot Millions long for immortality who do not know what to do with themselves on a rainy Sunday afternoon. From chrisw01 at privatei.com Wed Oct 15 12:36:54 2003 From: chrisw01 at privatei.com (Christopher A. Williams) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 06:36:54 -0600 Subject: Flash plugin for mozilla In-Reply-To: <3F8D0BF3.1020009@coresma.com> References: <1066193063.17273.1.camel@bart.netlyncs.com> <3F8D0BF3.1020009@coresma.com> Message-ID: <1066221413.21255.18.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> On Wed, 2003-10-15 at 02:57, Pavel Rosenboim wrote: > Mike Chambers wrote: > > Has anyone been able to install and get flash to work with the mozilla > > in Fedora test 3? I downloaded and isntalled it from macromedia's web > > site but the plugin isn't showing up in Help/About plugins menu. > > > > Any ideas? > > > Same here. Tried to copy files to /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins and to > /usr/lib/mozilla-1.4.1/plugins, but plugin is not recognized. I have Flash, Adobe Acrobat reader and Acrobat Reader plugin rpms I kept around. They installed just fine. I just don't remember where I got the Acrobat rpms from. The flash plugin is available via apt from http://rpm.livna.org - that's where I fot it from at least. The Acrobat files are: acroread-5.06-4.i386.rpm acroread-plugin-5.06-4.i386.rpm I did not find these on RPMfind.net, and I know 5.08 is the latest available linux version. Ideas? Cheers, Chris -- ==================================== "If you get to thinkin' you're a person of some influence, try orderin' someone else's dog around." --Cowboy Wisdom From veillard at redhat.com Wed Oct 15 12:37:00 2003 From: veillard at redhat.com (Daniel Veillard) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 08:37:00 -0400 Subject: xml-rpc in php In-Reply-To: <20031015113137.GA17271@redhat.com>; from jorton@redhat.com on Wed, Oct 15, 2003 at 12:31:37PM +0100 References: <20031015113137.GA17271@redhat.com> Message-ID: <20031015083700.E16905@redhat.com> On Wed, Oct 15, 2003 at 12:31:37PM +0100, Joe Orton wrote: > On Wed, Oct 15, 2003 at 12:14:48AM +0200, Pau Aliagas wrote: > > Will the xml-rpc packge be enabled by default in Fedora's final release? > > I have to keep my RPMS manually built just to include it. > > Can you file an enhancement request against php? Thanks! BTW are you compiling with XML support configured by default now ? Daniel -- Daniel Veillard | Red Hat Network https://rhn.redhat.com/ veillard at redhat.com | libxml GNOME XML XSLT toolkit http://xmlsoft.org/ http://veillard.com/ | Rpmfind RPM search engine http://rpmfind.net/ From twaugh at redhat.com Wed Oct 15 12:39:10 2003 From: twaugh at redhat.com (Tim Waugh) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 13:39:10 +0100 Subject: gnumeric plugins In-Reply-To: <3F8D3805.7040306@tech-access.com> References: <3F8D3805.7040306@tech-access.com> Message-ID: <20031015123909.GB2229@redhat.com> On Wed, Oct 15, 2003 at 04:05:25PM +0400, Sean Craig wrote: > Maybe we could have the plugins enabled by default? This is an upstream bug to do with upgrades; it's in bugzilla.gnome.org. Tim. */ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Option -s of yum-arch is available only with rpm > 4.1 and I think Mike is running the scripts on a box which has a 4.0x version of rpm (and as a result an older version of yum without the -s support) Daniel -- Daniel Veillard | Red Hat Network https://rhn.redhat.com/ veillard at redhat.com | libxml GNOME XML XSLT toolkit http://xmlsoft.org/ http://veillard.com/ | Rpmfind RPM search engine http://rpmfind.net/ From veillard at redhat.com Wed Oct 15 12:42:41 2003 From: veillard at redhat.com (Daniel Veillard) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 08:42:41 -0400 Subject: up2date's yum functionality In-Reply-To: <1066220985.4494.2.camel@suburbia>; from jtlegbandt@earthlink.net on Wed, Oct 15, 2003 at 05:29:45AM -0700 References: <1066220985.4494.2.camel@suburbia> Message-ID: <20031015084241.G16905@redhat.com> On Wed, Oct 15, 2003 at 05:29:45AM -0700, Joshua Legbandt wrote: > In yum, I can set a baseurl using architecture and release variables > like so: > http://download.fedora.us/fedora/redhat/$releasever/$basearch/yum/os/ > > Is it possible to do the same thing with up2date? not at the moment. Bugzilla it as an RFE please, Daniel -- Daniel Veillard | Red Hat Network https://rhn.redhat.com/ veillard at redhat.com | libxml GNOME XML XSLT toolkit http://xmlsoft.org/ http://veillard.com/ | Rpmfind RPM search engine http://rpmfind.net/ From paul at frields.com Wed Oct 15 12:47:50 2003 From: paul at frields.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: 15 Oct 2003 08:47:50 -0400 Subject: Flash plugin for mozilla In-Reply-To: <200310150547.h9F5lEm04367@garfield.bwh.harvard.edu> References: <200310150547.h9F5lEm04367@garfield.bwh.harvard.edu> Message-ID: <1066222070.16694.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> > > "I really wish RPM would tell me what package name the dependency is in > > and where to find that package so I won't have to feel like someone > > blindfolded and searching for the donkey. For extra bonus points RPM > > could optionally offer to search for and download the missing package(s)." > I think if rpmdb-fedora (previously rpmdb-redhat) is installed, then RPM > will offer a list of packages whenever this type of error occurs, as long > as the needed package(s) are in Red Hat's distribution. > > http://linux.oreillynet.com/lpt/a/4145 Also see: http://www.redhat.com/advice/tips/rhce/ (Attention archive viewers, this link will probably be deprecated shortly.) -- Paul W. Frields From otaylor at redhat.com Wed Oct 15 12:47:43 2003 From: otaylor at redhat.com (Owen Taylor) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 08:47:43 -0400 Subject: gnumeric plugins In-Reply-To: <3F8D3805.7040306@tech-access.com> References: <3F8D3805.7040306@tech-access.com> Message-ID: <1066222063.24103.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> This is presumably just another side effect of the known problem that the package in the tree right now doesn't install the GConf schemas, so it has the wrong defaults for many config settings. Regards, Owen On Wed, 2003-10-15 at 08:05, Sean Craig wrote: > Hi all, > > I just spend the last hour using the most foul language ever invented > because gnumeric wouldn't export to excel format. > > Surprise, surprise, it will do this *IF* the plugin is enabled. By > default all plugins are disabled!! > > Maybe we could have the plugins enabled by default? > > regards > > Sean Craig > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > From anvil at livna.org Wed Oct 15 12:52:21 2003 From: anvil at livna.org (Dams) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 14:52:21 +0200 Subject: Flash plugin for mozilla In-Reply-To: <1066221413.21255.18.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> References: <1066193063.17273.1.camel@bart.netlyncs.com> <3F8D0BF3.1020009@coresma.com> <1066221413.21255.18.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> Message-ID: <1066222341.6274.37.camel@gruyere> Not true. flash-plugin is from http://macromedia.mplug.org/ D Le mer 15/10/2003 ? 14:36, Christopher A. Williams a ?crit : > The flash plugin is available via apt from http://rpm.livna.org - that's > where I fot it from at least. -- Dams Nad? Anvil/Anvilou on irc.freenode.net : #Linux-Fr, #Fedora I am looking for a job : http://livna.org/~anvil/cv.php "Dona Nobis Pacem E Dona Eis Requiem". Noir. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Ceci est une partie de message num?riquement sign?e. URL: From linhardt at swbell.net Wed Oct 15 13:02:32 2003 From: linhardt at swbell.net (Terry R Linhardt) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 08:02:32 -0500 Subject: Question about dual-booting two versions of RedHat Message-ID: <1066222951.1584.32.camel@chastain> I have a large disk drive with ample space. I've decided I would like to install two versions of RedHat. One would be a "production" version, the other a "test" version. The documentation I've seen talks about Linux co-existing in a dual boot with some version of Windows. I've installed the "first" version of Linux in the first 25 GB of disk space. Do I install the "2nd" version in a similar manner?...that is, using a custom install and then selecting the unused portion of the drive to install the 2nd version? GRUB will see the two installs and allow me to select which one to boot? In a sense, this all seems fairly easy...is it pretty straight-forward? By-the-way, initial impressions of the latest Beta are quite favorable. That is, the overall interface is quite nice! Thanks...Terry -- Terry R Linhardt From chrisw01 at privatei.com Wed Oct 15 13:04:32 2003 From: chrisw01 at privatei.com (Christopher A. Williams) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 07:04:32 -0600 Subject: Flash plugin for mozilla In-Reply-To: <1066222341.6274.37.camel@gruyere> References: <1066193063.17273.1.camel@bart.netlyncs.com> <3F8D0BF3.1020009@coresma.com> <1066221413.21255.18.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> <1066222341.6274.37.camel@gruyere> Message-ID: <1066223072.21750.2.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> On Wed, 2003-10-15 at 06:52, Dams wrote: > Not true. flash-plugin is from http://macromedia.mplug.org/ > > D I stand corrected - I think the apt sources wind up pointing to here and I just missed it. Cheers, Chris -- ==================================== "If you get to thinkin' you're a person of some influence, try orderin' someone else's dog around." --Cowboy Wisdom From jrmizell at earthlink.net Wed Oct 15 13:11:33 2003 From: jrmizell at earthlink.net (John Mizell) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 09:11:33 -0400 (GMT-04:00) Subject: Question about dual-booting two versions of RedHat Message-ID: <19629309.1066223493771.JavaMail.root@dewey.psp.pas.earthlink.net> IT is easy enough to do. First do not install grub on the second install because you will only want one grub to control both installs. You will just need to put in the grub.conf the entry for the other install. create at a min two other partitions / and /boot. You will share the swap partition you already have between the two installs. If you wanted you could put more that two installs by following the same steps. Thanx, John Mizell -----Original Message----- From: Terry R Linhardt Sent: Oct 15, 2003 9:02 AM To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com Subject: Question about dual-booting two versions of RedHat I have a large disk drive with ample space. I've decided I would like to install two versions of RedHat. One would be a "production" version, the other a "test" version. The documentation I've seen talks about Linux co-existing in a dual boot with some version of Windows. I've installed the "first" version of Linux in the first 25 GB of disk space. Do I install the "2nd" version in a similar manner?...that is, using a custom install and then selecting the unused portion of the drive to install the 2nd version? GRUB will see the two installs and allow me to select which one to boot? In a sense, this all seems fairly easy...is it pretty straight-forward? By-the-way, initial impressions of the latest Beta are quite favorable. That is, the overall interface is quite nice! Thanks...Terry -- Terry R Linhardt -- fedora-test-list mailing list fedora-test-list at redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From jtlegbandt at earthlink.net Wed Oct 15 13:13:20 2003 From: jtlegbandt at earthlink.net (Joshua Legbandt) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 06:13:20 -0700 Subject: up2date's yum functionality In-Reply-To: <20031015084241.G16905@redhat.com> References: <1066220985.4494.2.camel@suburbia> <20031015084241.G16905@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1066223600.4494.7.camel@suburbia> On Wed, 2003-10-15 at 05:42, Daniel Veillard wrote: > On Wed, Oct 15, 2003 at 05:29:45AM -0700, Joshua Legbandt wrote: > > In yum, I can set a baseurl using architecture and release variables > > like so: > > http://download.fedora.us/fedora/redhat/$releasever/$basearch/yum/os/ > > > > Is it possible to do the same thing with up2date? > > not at the moment. Bugzilla it as an RFE please, > > Daniel Filed as bug 107144 -josh -- Joshua Legbandt From cochranb at speakeasy.net Wed Oct 15 13:29:15 2003 From: cochranb at speakeasy.net (Robert L Cochran) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 09:29:15 -0400 Subject: Question about dual-booting two versions of RedHat In-Reply-To: <1066222951.1584.32.camel@chastain> References: <1066222951.1584.32.camel@chastain> Message-ID: <3F8D4BAB.7000101@speakeasy.net> I've not done this with 2 Linux systems on the same physical hard drive, but I install multiple Linux systems onto different hard drives in the same machine fairly routinely. I think that might prove simpler in the long run for you. You need a good understanding of how to use the grub bootloader. *Install linux version #1 on the first drive, for example on /dev/hda. With this install, hav grub installed as your bootloader. *Install linux version #2 on your second drive, for example /dev/hdb. Note: you may have to manipulate disk labels using e2label and /etc/fstab files to point to the right disk labels for the system. The anaconda installer has a problem where it will not let you assign a root partition with a mount point other than '/'. On this kind of installation you need to name the mount point '/1' or similar. Anaconda will try to steal the swap partition on your first drive. This can trigger swap activation problems at boot time. During this install, do not install a bootloader. You do not need one since grub is already installed. * Now edit the file /boot/grub/grub.conf in your first installation. Enter a new menu choice that points to the second system you just installed on /dev/hdb. In this case the incantation root (hd1,0) kernel /vmlinuz-xxx.yyy.zzz ro root=LABEL=/1 [other kernel options here] initrd /initrd-xxx.yyy.zzz.img where you replace xxx.yyy.zzz with your specific filenames and LABEL=/1 with the name of the root partition label for hdb (that is, point it to the / partition on that drive) will apply. Reboot, select the Grub entry for your second Linux system, and it should boot normally. Bob Terry R Linhardt wrote: > I have a large disk drive with ample space. I've decided I would like to > install two versions of RedHat. One would be a "production" version, the > other a "test" version. > > The documentation I've seen talks about Linux co-existing in a dual boot > with some version of Windows. > > I've installed the "first" version of Linux in the first 25 GB of disk > space. Do I install the "2nd" version in a similar manner?...that is, > using a custom install and then selecting the unused portion of the > drive to install the 2nd version? GRUB will see the two installs and > allow me to select which one to boot? > > In a sense, this all seems fairly easy...is it pretty straight-forward? > > By-the-way, initial impressions of the latest Beta are quite favorable. > That is, the overall interface is quite nice! > > Thanks...Terry -- Bob Cochran Greenbelt, Maryland, USA http://greenbeltcomputer.biz/ From markkukolkka at kolumbus.fi Wed Oct 15 13:38:45 2003 From: markkukolkka at kolumbus.fi (Markku Kolkka) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 16:38:45 +0300 Subject: Flash plugin for mozilla In-Reply-To: <1066221413.21255.18.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> References: <1066193063.17273.1.camel@bart.netlyncs.com> <3F8D0BF3.1020009@coresma.com> <1066221413.21255.18.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> Message-ID: <200310151638.45894.markkukolkka@kolumbus.fi> Christopher A. Williams kirjoitti viestiss??n (l?hetysaika Keskiviikko 15 Lokakuu 2003 15:36): > The Acrobat files are: > > acroread-5.06-4.i386.rpm > acroread-plugin-5.06-4.i386.rpm > > I did not find these on RPMfind.net, and I know 5.08 is the latest > available linux version. Ideas? http://www.gurulabs.com/downloads.html has RPMs for acroread-5.08. They work in Fedora test3. From mike at netlyncs.com Wed Oct 15 14:01:38 2003 From: mike at netlyncs.com (Mike Chambers) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 09:01:38 -0500 Subject: XFree86 available via yum In-Reply-To: References: <3F89DAC6.2000503@insight.rr.com> Message-ID: <1066226498.1967.1.camel@bart.netlyncs.com> On Wed, 2003-10-15 at 06:39, Mike A. Harris wrote: > >> ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris/testing/unstable > >> > >> XFree86-4.3.0-39 is there right now for x86, ppc, x86_64, and ia64 I set this up in up2date and it seemed to work with no problems. Your yum applied dir seemed to work just fine. -- Mike Chambers Madisonville, KY "Can you hear me now?....GOOD!" From kaboom at gatech.edu Wed Oct 15 14:15:33 2003 From: kaboom at gatech.edu (Chris Ricker) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 10:15:33 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Flash plugin for mozilla In-Reply-To: <200310150547.h9F5lEm04367@garfield.bwh.harvard.edu> Message-ID: On Wed, 15 Oct 2003, Andre Robatino wrote: > I think if rpmdb-fedora (previously rpmdb-redhat) is installed, then RPM > will offer a list of packages whenever this type of error occurs, as long > as the needed package(s) are in Red Hat's distribution. > > http://linux.oreillynet.com/lpt/a/4145 And if you add a --aid option to the rpm command line, with a little luck it'll even automatically install the dependencies for you.... later, chris From linuxnow at newtral.org Wed Oct 15 14:17:29 2003 From: linuxnow at newtral.org (Pau Aliagas) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 16:17:29 +0200 (CEST) Subject: xml-rpc in php In-Reply-To: <20031015083700.E16905@redhat.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 15 Oct 2003, Daniel Veillard wrote: > On Wed, Oct 15, 2003 at 12:31:37PM +0100, Joe Orton wrote: > > On Wed, Oct 15, 2003 at 12:14:48AM +0200, Pau Aliagas wrote: > > > Will the xml-rpc packge be enabled by default in Fedora's final release? > > > I have to keep my RPMS manually built just to include it. > > > > Can you file an enhancement request against php? Thanks! I've posted bug #107138 to aks for the enhancement. > BTW are you compiling with XML support configured by default now ? Yes, I do it with the RH8 and RH9 SRPMS adding "--with-xmlrpc" to the spec. And it works fine. IIRC the xmlrpc module included is 0.50 and the latest is 0.51, but I don't patch it to stay synched. Pau From linuxnow at newtral.org Wed Oct 15 14:22:17 2003 From: linuxnow at newtral.org (Pau Aliagas) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 16:22:17 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Yum'ification of the rhn_applet In-Reply-To: <20031015083550.D16905@redhat.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 15 Oct 2003, Daniel Veillard wrote: > I have just released an updated version of rhn_applet which > should work better for the Fedora framework: > - handle Yum repositories > - handle multiple repositories > - does not require RHN registration I'd love it to be apt'fied :) Should I file a RFE? Pau From mharris at redhat.com Wed Oct 15 14:22:32 2003 From: mharris at redhat.com (Mike A. Harris) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 10:22:32 -0400 (EDT) Subject: XFree86 available via yum In-Reply-To: <3F8D394C.7080505@gmx.de> References: <200310121635.45173.elwoo@videotron.ca> <3F89D427.7090702@wanadoo.es> <3F8C9C69.4070006@wanadoo.es> <3F8D394C.7080505@gmx.de> Message-ID: On Wed, 15 Oct 2003, shrek-m at gmx.de wrote: >>>why is closed http index and ftp is opened?.... X files, sources are >>>out there :-) >>> >>> >> >>I don't understand your question, can you reword it? >> >> > >he mean probably that with > http://people.redhat.com/ > you get since a few months no indexes "Options Indexes" > >but with > ftp://people.redhat.com/ > you can see all subdirectories > > >no problem. > >s/ftp/http/g > >ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris/ >ftp://people.redhat.com/alan/ > >http://people.redhat.com/mharris/ >http://people.redhat.com/alan/ I truely have no idea what this has to do with me providing XFree86 via FTP and yum via FTP. Also, ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris and http://people.redhat.com/mharris/ are completely different protocols which will result in completely different files being presented to the user. You can't just interchange ftp:// and http:// and expect it to work. Perhaps I don't understand at all what you/he are trying to ask/do/whatever. -- Mike A. Harris ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris OS Systems Engineer - XFree86 maintainer - Red Hat From mharris at redhat.com Wed Oct 15 14:24:23 2003 From: mharris at redhat.com (Mike A. Harris) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 10:24:23 -0400 (EDT) Subject: XFree86 available via yum In-Reply-To: <20031015122513.GX24349@shitake.truemesh.com> References: <20031015111915.GW24349@shitake.truemesh.com> <20031015122513.GX24349@shitake.truemesh.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 15 Oct 2003, Paul Nasrat wrote: >> I guess using '-s' is not an option for me... > >Looks that way, probably not a big issue, although I note the rawhide >repo has been generated with -s. people.redhat.com appears to be using RHL 7.3. no idea where the admin got yum from to install on this version of the OS, but I can't complain. ;o) -- Mike A. Harris ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris OS Systems Engineer - XFree86 maintainer - Red Hat From czar at czarc.net Wed Oct 15 14:25:53 2003 From: czar at czarc.net (Gene C.) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 10:25:53 -0400 Subject: redhat-config-xfree86 Message-ID: <200310151025.53935.czar@czarc.net> I was looking over what I could do with configuration and noticed that the "detailed" settings for a video card have been dropped. I have a setup where I need (I believe) to set: Option "AGPmode" "4" in /etc/X11/XF86Config. The capability of setting this option with the tool was present under RHL 9 but appears to have been dropped. While I know I can go into the file with an editor and add the line, I was wondering why the detailed settings capability of the tool was dropped. -- Gene From monty19 at hotmail.com Wed Oct 15 14:22:05 2003 From: monty19 at hotmail.com (Jason Montleon) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 10:22:05 -0400 Subject: RHN with Fedora Test 3 Message-ID: OK, I've seen the postings regarding running up2date --configure in order to use the Rawhide channel, but it's not working for me... I am subscribed to nothing, and I don't see a way to subscribe to anything. Anyone know where to go, what to check, what to change or what not to get subscribed to the channel? Why is RH making this so difficult? I don't ever recall having to go through such BS to get a production or beta system subscribed with RHN.... From mharris at redhat.com Wed Oct 15 14:28:29 2003 From: mharris at redhat.com (Mike A. Harris) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 10:28:29 -0400 (EDT) Subject: XFree86 available via yum In-Reply-To: <1066226498.1967.1.camel@bart.netlyncs.com> References: <3F89DAC6.2000503@insight.rr.com> <1066226498.1967.1.camel@bart.netlyncs.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 15 Oct 2003, Mike Chambers wrote: >> >> ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris/testing/unstable >> >> >> >> XFree86-4.3.0-39 is there right now for x86, ppc, x86_64, and ia64 > >I set this up in up2date and it seemed to work with no problems. Your >yum applied dir seemed to work just fine. Looks like I'll be providing all future experimental and test rpms via ftp and yum on people.redhat.com for the future then. ;o) When I build packages for RHL9/8.0/7.3/etc... they'll get yummified automatically as well. Thanks to everyone for testing this and providing feedback. -- Mike A. Harris ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris OS Systems Engineer - XFree86 maintainer - Red Hat From pavelr at coresma.com Wed Oct 15 14:30:04 2003 From: pavelr at coresma.com (Pavel Rosenboim) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 16:30:04 +0200 Subject: how to disable debuginfo packages? Message-ID: <3F8D59EC.5090903@coresma.com> Hi, Is there a way to disable *globally* -debuginfo packages creation without modifying spec files? TIA, Pavel. From mharris at redhat.com Wed Oct 15 14:37:17 2003 From: mharris at redhat.com (Mike A. Harris) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 10:37:17 -0400 (EDT) Subject: redhat-config-xfree86 In-Reply-To: <200310151025.53935.czar@czarc.net> References: <200310151025.53935.czar@czarc.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 15 Oct 2003, Gene C. wrote: >I was looking over what I could do with configuration and noticed that the >"detailed" settings for a video card have been dropped. I have a setup where >I need (I believe) to set: > > Option "AGPmode" "4" > >in /etc/X11/XF86Config. The capability of setting this option with the tool >was present under RHL 9 but appears to have been dropped. While I know I can >go into the file with an editor and add the line, I was wondering why the >detailed settings capability of the tool was dropped. The "AGPmode" and "AGPsize" and various other options are intended for developer use only, and are not intended for general end user usage. I have confirmed this with the DRI project about a month or so ago, as the AGPsize option got renamed to something else, and I was a bit upset that when people upgrade, their configurations may break. The VideoRAM, AGP*, and many other X server settings I strongly believe to be very risky to put into a GUI. Users tend to experiment with settings if they can easily click on them in a GUI without having to read documentation or actually understand what they are doing and realize their changes may result in a nonworking system when they're done. Often they break things then file bug reports or cry that the OS is at fault. As such, there are many X server options such as these that should not ever be part of the GUI, and should not be end user visible. The number of bug reports coming in from users who require one of those options but it isn't autodetected is far less than the number of potential bug reports and tech support requests that come in due to users changing things they do not need to and should not change. If the default AGP mode does not result in a working X server, please file a bug report. In the future, the X server is going to be changed to use the highest AGP mode available that should be compatible with the given card/motherboard chipset for all hardware. If incompatibilities or hardware oddities are found, they'll be blacklisted. The AGPmode setting if used at all, should identically match the setting used in the computer CMOS settings. A user who is aware of that, is generally technically advanced enough to be able to edit the config file by hand IMHO without needing an overly complex GUI to do it. Also, I don't believe Windows has a GUI method of changing the AGP mode, so we shouldn't even need one either. ;o) -- Mike A. Harris ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris OS Systems Engineer - XFree86 maintainer - Red Hat From ted at cypress.com Wed Oct 15 14:39:22 2003 From: ted at cypress.com (Thomas Dodd) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 09:39:22 -0500 Subject: XFree86 available via yum In-Reply-To: References: <200310121635.45173.elwoo@videotron.ca> <3F89D427.7090702@wanadoo.es> <3F8C9C69.4070006@wanadoo.es> <3F8D394C.7080505@gmx.de> Message-ID: <3F8D5C1A.4080003@cypress.com> Mike A. Harris wrote: > On Wed, 15 Oct 2003, shrek-m at gmx.de wrote: >>he mean probably that with >> http://people.redhat.com/ >> you get since a few months no indexes "Options Indexes" >>but with >> ftp://people.redhat.com/ >> you can see all subdirectories > I truely have no idea what this has to do with me providing > XFree86 via FTP and yum via FTP. I think they want http access to the ftp site. Some one mentioned better download speed with http. It's probably a configuration/firewall issue on their end though. But they want to use an http URL for yum since it's faster for them currently. I think the p.rh.c sould be setup with files available both ways. Some people only have http access (Arjan for one), and I prefer FTP (like you). I'll forget who as which setup, FTP to p.rh.c and see nothing, only to find out later that it was there, but http only. -Thomas From mharris at redhat.com Wed Oct 15 14:40:24 2003 From: mharris at redhat.com (Mike A. Harris) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 10:40:24 -0400 (EDT) Subject: RHN with Fedora Test 3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, 15 Oct 2003, Jason Montleon wrote: >OK, I've seen the postings regarding running up2date --configure in order to >use the Rawhide channel, but it's not working for me... I am subscribed to >nothing, and I don't see a way to subscribe to anything. Anyone know where >to go, what to check, what to change or what not to get subscribed to the >channel? Why is RH making this so difficult? I don't ever recall having to >go through such BS to get a production or beta system subscribed with >RHN.... Beta testing software is done to find bugs and problems in both the operating system itself, as well as RHN, and our internal processes, in order that they can be found and fixed before the final OS release. It is not ever intended to be used on production systems. If you require flawless OS operation or RHN operation, you should stick strictly to stable officially released supported versions of the operating system. -- Mike A. Harris ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris OS Systems Engineer - XFree86 maintainer - Red Hat From seyman at wanadoo.fr Wed Oct 15 14:43:25 2003 From: seyman at wanadoo.fr (Emmanuel Seyman) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 16:43:25 +0200 Subject: XFree86 available via yum In-Reply-To: References: <20031015111915.GW24349@shitake.truemesh.com> <20031015122513.GX24349@shitake.truemesh.com> Message-ID: <20031015144325.GA9215@orient.maison> On Wed, Oct 15, 2003 at 10:24:23AM -0400, Mike A. Harris wrote: > > people.redhat.com appears to be using RHL 7.3. no idea where the > admin got yum from to install on this version of the OS, but I > can't complain. ;o) The yum 1.x branch exists for machines running on rpm 4.0.x . If you really want to use yum 2.x on RHL 7.3, you can just upgrade rpm. Emmanuel From jeremyp at pobox.com Wed Oct 15 14:43:28 2003 From: jeremyp at pobox.com (Jeremy Portzer) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 10:43:28 -0400 Subject: RHN with Fedora Test 3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1066229007.4372.17.camel@jeremy.dtcc.cc.nc.us> On Wed, 2003-10-15 at 10:22, Jason Montleon wrote: > OK, I've seen the postings regarding running up2date --configure in order to > use the Rawhide channel, but it's not working for me... I am subscribed to > nothing, and I don't see a way to subscribe to anything. Anyone know where > to go, what to check, what to change or what not to get subscribed to the > channel? Why is RH making this so difficult? I don't ever recall having to > go through such BS to get a production or beta system subscribed with > RHN.... You don't subscribe to the rawhide channel for 0.95. You simply update your system through up2date with its built-in yum support. RHN is not involved anymore. There has been LOTS of discussion on this on the lists already, please read the archives. The short of it is you may need to update /etc/sysconfig/rhn/sources . --Jeremy -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From pjain001 at covad.net Wed Oct 15 14:43:51 2003 From: pjain001 at covad.net (pjain001 at covad.net) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 10:43:51 -0400 (EDT) Subject: FYI: Beta 3 Installation Issues Message-ID: <52940.63.161.116.194.1066229031@sun-qmail03.laserlink.net> I was able to easily upgrade my work machine from RHL9 to Fedora Core 3, however, using the same media, anytime I tried to upgrade my home machine ( Fedora Core 2) to FC3, it would blow up on the "searching list of packages to upgrade". I understand that upgrades aren't supported but this just an FYI. Unfortunately, I don't have the error codes from the install process to submit to Bugzilla. Curious if anyone else had the same problem. Thanks Pankaj From pjain001 at covad.net Wed Oct 15 14:46:33 2003 From: pjain001 at covad.net (pjain001 at covad.net) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 10:46:33 -0400 (EDT) Subject: up2date from behind corporate firewall Message-ID: <54021.63.161.116.194.1066229193@sun-qmail02.laserlink.net> I just installed FC3 on my work machine and up2date can't seem to get through the corporate firewall. The only outgoing traffic that's allowed is on port 80. up2date with RHN used to work without a problem. Does anyone know what port is being used with FC3 to get a list of the updates and then grab the RPMs? My proxy settings are correctly set. Thanks Pankaj From jorton at redhat.com Wed Oct 15 14:52:23 2003 From: jorton at redhat.com (Joe Orton) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 15:52:23 +0100 Subject: xml-rpc in php In-Reply-To: <20031015083700.E16905@redhat.com> References: <20031015113137.GA17271@redhat.com> <20031015083700.E16905@redhat.com> Message-ID: <20031015145223.GA14768@redhat.com> On Wed, Oct 15, 2003 at 08:37:00AM -0400, Daniel Veillard wrote: > On Wed, Oct 15, 2003 at 12:31:37PM +0100, Joe Orton wrote: > > On Wed, Oct 15, 2003 at 12:14:48AM +0200, Pau Aliagas wrote: > > > Will the xml-rpc packge be enabled by default in Fedora's final release? > > > I have to keep my RPMS manually built just to include it. > > > > Can you file an enhancement request against php? Thanks! > > BTW are you compiling with XML support configured by default now ? Yes, the "xml" module (SAX wrapper using expat) and "domxml" module (using libxml2) have been included for ages, since 7.3 at least. joe From czar at czarc.net Wed Oct 15 14:54:58 2003 From: czar at czarc.net (Gene C.) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 10:54:58 -0400 Subject: Question about dual-booting two versions of RedHat In-Reply-To: <1066222951.1584.32.camel@chastain> References: <1066222951.1584.32.camel@chastain> Message-ID: <200310151054.58681.czar@czarc.net> On Wednesday 15 October 2003 09:02, Terry R Linhardt wrote: > I have a large disk drive with ample space. I've decided I would like to > install two versions of RedHat. One would be a "production" version, the > other a "test" version. I will typically have five different linux systems defined on my test system (a boot selector and emergency recovery system, a "current" production system, and three "test" systems such as taroon, fedora 0.94, fedora 0.95). I install a minimal system into a small partition (small has grown to almost 700M for RHL9, etc.). Grub is installed in the MBR. The other systems install grub into the / or /boot partition itself (selectable from the "boot advanced" panel) and NOT the MBR. Then, either when I install the minimal system or after installation by editing /boot/grub/grub.conf, I add definitions to boot the other partitions. Such a definition looks like: title testing on hdc1 (Fedora test2) rootnoverify (hd2,0) chainloader +1 If I have a small system such as a laptop with disk space for only two system partitions, I install grub for the "production" system in the MBR and install the "test" partition into the partition itself with a pointer as above in the production system. I have found that it is better to always install (not do an upgrade) as it is much, much cleaner with fewer problems. Using these multiple systems, I keep from destroying a "working" system to install a new version. Data partitions such as /home are in separate partitions. -- Gene From jgeorgeson at lopht.net Wed Oct 15 14:56:55 2003 From: jgeorgeson at lopht.net (Justin Georgeson) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 09:56:55 -0500 Subject: up2date from behind corporate firewall References: <54021.63.161.116.194.1066229193@sun-qmail02.laserlink.net> Message-ID: <3F8D6037.30704@lopht.net> pjain001 at covad.net wrote: > I just installed FC3 on my work machine and up2date can't seem to get > through the corporate firewall. The only outgoing traffic that's allowed > is on port 80. up2date with RHN used to work without a problem. Does > anyone know what port is being used with FC3 to get a list of the updates > and then grab the RPMs? > > My proxy settings are correctly set. the FC test3 (not FC3) release uses the rawhide yum repository by default, if I'm not mistaken. It's configured in /etc/sysconfig/rhn/source, and should be specified as an http repo, so I'd imagine it is trying to go out on port 80. Do you have access to run a sniffer on your machine to see what's going out? From paul at frields.com Wed Oct 15 15:01:32 2003 From: paul at frields.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: 15 Oct 2003 11:01:32 -0400 Subject: Flash plugin for mozilla In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1066230092.17158.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2003-10-15 at 10:15, Chris Ricker wrote: > > I think if rpmdb-fedora (previously rpmdb-redhat) is installed, then RPM > > will offer a list of packages whenever this type of error occurs, as long > > as the needed package(s) are in Red Hat's distribution. > > > > http://linux.oreillynet.com/lpt/a/4145 > > And if you add a --aid option to the rpm command line, with a little luck > it'll even automatically install the dependencies for you.... No luck needed; with rpmdb-redhat package installed, point your %_solve_pkgsdir (in /etc/rpm/macros.solve) to a mounted directory (local or remote) containing the exploded set of RPMs from the distribution. Also change the %_solve_name_fmt macro; see my previous post for a link to details. I'm not sure why Jeff Johnson doesn't put this change into his build for rpmdb-redhat. It may have to do with not causing spurious errors for people who have no install tree available. -- Paul W. Frields From linuxnow at newtral.org Wed Oct 15 15:05:42 2003 From: linuxnow at newtral.org (Pau Aliagas) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 17:05:42 +0200 (CEST) Subject: xml-rpc in php In-Reply-To: <20031015145223.GA14768@redhat.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 15 Oct 2003, Joe Orton wrote: > On Wed, Oct 15, 2003 at 08:37:00AM -0400, Daniel Veillard wrote: > > On Wed, Oct 15, 2003 at 12:31:37PM +0100, Joe Orton wrote: > > > On Wed, Oct 15, 2003 at 12:14:48AM +0200, Pau Aliagas wrote: > > > > Will the xml-rpc packge be enabled by default in Fedora's final release? > > > > I have to keep my RPMS manually built just to include it. > > > > > > Can you file an enhancement request against php? Thanks! > > > > BTW are you compiling with XML support configured by default now ? > > Yes, the "xml" module (SAX wrapper using expat) and "domxml" module > (using libxml2) have been included for ages, since 7.3 at least. I talk about the xmlrpc module. Pau From czar at czarc.net Wed Oct 15 15:11:31 2003 From: czar at czarc.net (Gene C.) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 11:11:31 -0400 Subject: redhat-config-xfree86 In-Reply-To: References: <200310151025.53935.czar@czarc.net> Message-ID: <200310151111.31353.czar@czarc.net> On Wednesday 15 October 2003 10:37, Mike A. Harris wrote: > If the default AGP mode does not result in a working X server, > please file a bug report. In the future, the X server is going > to be changed to use the highest AGP mode available that should > be compatible with the given card/motherboard chipset for all > hardware. If incompatibilities or hardware oddities are found, > they'll be blacklisted. The default works but using it seemed to be "better". I assume that "in the future" is not this time around so using it now is still "OK" (see below). > > The AGPmode setting if used at all, should identically match the > setting used in the computer CMOS settings. A user who is aware > of that, is generally technically advanced enough to be able to > edit the config file by hand IMHO without needing an overly > complex GUI to do it. Also, I don't believe Windows has a GUI > method of changing the AGP mode, so we shouldn't even need one > either. ;o) At this point, I do not remember where I ran across the info about AGPmode but it implied that it would improve performance. To me (very subjective), it did seem to improve performance when I started using it and so I continued using it. If you tell me that the performance improvement was all in my head and wishful thinking, then I will likely stop using it. BTW, the hardware is: 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon RV200 QW [Radeon 7500] ... a real ATI device and not a clone. It definitely makes sense to drop this stuff from the GUI tool since X seems to be evolving toward something which determines the best parameters to run and then uses them without the user needing to do anything. -- Gene From jgeorgeson at lopht.net Wed Oct 15 15:11:20 2003 From: jgeorgeson at lopht.net (Justin Georgeson) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 10:11:20 -0500 Subject: wine on FC Message-ID: <3F8D6398.1020802@lopht.net> earlier this month there was a thread about building wine 20030911 on FC .94. The problem seemed to be that the krb5-devel package moved its header files from /usr/include/kerberos to /usr/include. I'm still having that same problem on a current rawhide system. I was wondering if anyone has investigated this at all? From czar at czarc.net Wed Oct 15 15:14:45 2003 From: czar at czarc.net (Gene C.) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 11:14:45 -0400 Subject: XFree86 available via yum In-Reply-To: <3F8D5C1A.4080003@cypress.com> References: <3F8D5C1A.4080003@cypress.com> Message-ID: <200310151114.45484.czar@czarc.net> On Wednesday 15 October 2003 10:39, Thomas Dodd wrote: > I think they want http access to the ftp site. To me, it has appeared to depend on the individual Red Hat person. Some of them have used ftp accessable directorys and some of them have used http accessable directories ... they (ftp and http) are very different directory trees and sometimes this has led to confusion. -- Gene From paul at frields.com Wed Oct 15 15:27:17 2003 From: paul at frields.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: 15 Oct 2003 11:27:17 -0400 Subject: how to disable debuginfo packages? In-Reply-To: <3F8D59EC.5090903@coresma.com> References: <3F8D59EC.5090903@coresma.com> Message-ID: <1066231637.17158.27.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2003-10-15 at 10:30, Pavel Rosenboim wrote: > Is there a way to disable *globally* -debuginfo packages creation > without modifying spec files? In your ~/.rpmmacros file, add: %_enable_debug_packages 0 # This may not be strictly necessary %debug_package %{nil} # ...but this is You could edit a file /etc/rpm/macros.nodebug and place these directives therein to globally affect all users as well, if that's not a Bad Idea on your system. -- Paul W. Frields From erqu0001 at d.umn.edu Wed Oct 15 15:35:15 2003 From: erqu0001 at d.umn.edu (Santiago Erquicia) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 10:35:15 -0500 Subject: gnumeric plugins In-Reply-To: <1066222063.24103.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <3F8D3805.7040306@tech-access.com> <1066222063.24103.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1066232115.3769.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> The new update (2.0.1) installed perfectly and the options do not say schema missing as it used to. I updated bugzilla with this but I didn't close the bug. Thanks On Wed, 2003-10-15 at 07:47, Owen Taylor wrote: > This is presumably just another side effect of the known > problem that the package in the tree right now doesn't > install the GConf schemas, so it has the wrong defaults > for many config settings. > > Regards, > Owen > > On Wed, 2003-10-15 at 08:05, Sean Craig wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > I just spend the last hour using the most foul language ever invented > > because gnumeric wouldn't export to excel format. > > > > Surprise, surprise, it will do this *IF* the plugin is enabled. By > > default all plugins are disabled!! > > > > Maybe we could have the plugins enabled by default? > > > > regards > > > > Sean Craig > > > > > > -- > > fedora-test-list mailing list > > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > > > > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From veillard at redhat.com Wed Oct 15 15:38:49 2003 From: veillard at redhat.com (Daniel Veillard) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 11:38:49 -0400 Subject: xml-rpc in php In-Reply-To: <20031015145223.GA14768@redhat.com>; from jorton@redhat.com on Wed, Oct 15, 2003 at 03:52:23PM +0100 References: <20031015113137.GA17271@redhat.com> <20031015083700.E16905@redhat.com> <20031015145223.GA14768@redhat.com> Message-ID: <20031015113849.L16905@redhat.com> On Wed, Oct 15, 2003 at 03:52:23PM +0100, Joe Orton wrote: > On Wed, Oct 15, 2003 at 08:37:00AM -0400, Daniel Veillard wrote: > > BTW are you compiling with XML support configured by default now ? > > Yes, the "xml" module (SAX wrapper using expat) and "domxml" module > (using libxml2) have been included for ages, since 7.3 at least. ah, okay, sorry I got a report that they were not compiled in last week, probably someone confused, like me :-) Daniel -- Daniel Veillard | Red Hat Network https://rhn.redhat.com/ veillard at redhat.com | libxml GNOME XML XSLT toolkit http://xmlsoft.org/ http://veillard.com/ | Rpmfind RPM search engine http://rpmfind.net/ From blizzard at redhat.com Wed Oct 15 16:05:09 2003 From: blizzard at redhat.com (Christopher Blizzard) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 12:05:09 -0400 Subject: gaim thrashing box after about 1hr? In-Reply-To: <1066175987.8673.1.camel@earth.xades.com> References: <1066140460.2022.28.camel@earth.xades.com> <3F8C13B3.7060107@redhat.com> <1066145655.2022.37.camel@earth.xades.com> <3F8C2FEF.9080906@redhat.com> <1066175987.8673.1.camel@earth.xades.com> Message-ID: <3F8D7035.1020902@redhat.com> nosp wrote: >On Tue, 2003-10-14 at 18:18, Christopher Blizzard wrote: > > >>Try updaing to 0.71, which is included now? Might be randomly fixed >>in that version. >> >> > >Upgraded but problem still persists...same symptoms...what next? > > > > Need to find out what's causing it. Do you know how to attach a debugger to a process? --Chris -- ------------ Christopher Blizzard http://people.redhat.com/blizzard/ ------------ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From db at zigo.dhs.org Wed Oct 15 16:08:47 2003 From: db at zigo.dhs.org (Dennis Bjorklund) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 18:08:47 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Installer uses dma for cd-rom? Message-ID: It seems like fedora turns on dma for cd-rom drives, and that does not work on a computer I have. Redhat 9 however works fine to install on that machine. I can get it to install if I give the kernel the parameter ide=nodma. Is this really a good change? There are a lot of broken computers out there that does not work with dma for the cdrom. If it's not a mistake but an intended change, then I suggest that a help text is added to help users find the ide=nodma. -- /Dennis From blizzard at redhat.com Wed Oct 15 16:07:57 2003 From: blizzard at redhat.com (Christopher Blizzard) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 12:07:57 -0400 Subject: Mozilla 1.5 out In-Reply-To: <01L1UV3NN092007YWX@rcum.uni-mb.si> References: <01L1UV3NN092007YWX@rcum.uni-mb.si> Message-ID: <3F8D70DD.5070803@redhat.com> DAVID BALAZIC wrote: >Mozilla 1.5 is out. >Any chance to see it in Cambridge ( or whatever the codename for this project is ) ? > >If this has already been discussed, then please excuse my noise ( but someone send me >a summary of what was told , please ). > >Regards, >David > > > > It hasn't been discussed, but I don't intend to upgrade this late in the cycle. Besides, the Mozilla 1.4 branch is the "stable" branch at the moment. --Chris -- ------------ Christopher Blizzard http://people.redhat.com/blizzard/ ------------ From m.a.young at durham.ac.uk Wed Oct 15 16:23:43 2003 From: m.a.young at durham.ac.uk (M A Young) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 17:23:43 +0100 (BST) Subject: up2date from behind corporate firewall In-Reply-To: <54021.63.161.116.194.1066229193@sun-qmail02.laserlink.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 15 Oct 2003 pjain001 at covad.net wrote: > I just installed FC3 on my work machine and up2date can't seem to get > through the corporate firewall. The only outgoing traffic that's allowed > is on port 80. up2date with RHN used to work without a problem. Does > anyone know what port is being used with FC3 to get a list of the updates > and then grab the RPMs? > > My proxy settings are correctly set. Currently the proxy settings are ignored for non-rhn up2dates. If you are logged in as root, a work around is to set the http_proxy environment variable to point at your proxy. Michael Young From pavelr at coresma.com Wed Oct 15 16:42:28 2003 From: pavelr at coresma.com (Pavel Rosenboim) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 18:42:28 +0200 Subject: how to disable debuginfo packages? In-Reply-To: <1066231637.17158.27.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <3F8D59EC.5090903@coresma.com> <1066231637.17158.27.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <3F8D78F4.4080000@coresma.com> Paul W. Frields wrote: > On Wed, 2003-10-15 at 10:30, Pavel Rosenboim wrote: > >>Is there a way to disable *globally* -debuginfo packages creation >>without modifying spec files? > > > In your ~/.rpmmacros file, add: > > %_enable_debug_packages 0 # This may not be strictly necessary > %debug_package %{nil} # ...but this is > > You could edit a file /etc/rpm/macros.nodebug and place these directives > therein to globally affect all users as well, if that's not a Bad Idea > on your system. Thanks. From pjain001 at covad.net Wed Oct 15 16:53:36 2003 From: pjain001 at covad.net (pjain001 at covad.net) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 12:53:36 -0400 (EDT) Subject: (no subject) Message-ID: <64371.63.161.116.194.1066236816@sun-qmail18.laserlink.net> pjain001 at covad.net wrote: >> I just installed FC3 on my work machine and up2date can't seem to get >> through the corporate firewall. The only outgoing traffic that's allowed >> is on port 80. up2date with RHN used to work without a problem. Does >> anyone know what port is being used with FC3 to get a list of the updates >> and then grab the RPMs? >> >> My proxy settings are correctly set. > the FC test3 (not FC3) release uses the rawhide yum repository by > default, if I'm not mistaken. It's configured in > /etc/sysconfig/rhn/source, and should be specified as an http repo, so > I'd imagine it is trying to go out on port 80. Do you have access to run >a sniffer on your machine to see what's going out? Unfortunately, I don't have access to a sniffer but using netstat it does look like it's hitting our proxy server on port 80. Not sure why it's not getting out. If I change the source to use the up2date default, it gets out but responds by telling me: Error Message: Your account does not have access to any channels matching (release='0.95', arch='i686-redhat-linux') Thanks again! From pjain001 at covad.net Wed Oct 15 16:53:54 2003 From: pjain001 at covad.net (pjain001 at covad.net) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 12:53:54 -0400 (EDT) Subject: up2date from behind corporate firewall Message-ID: <64516.63.161.116.194.1066236834@sun-qmail17.laserlink.net> pjain001 at covad.net wrote: >> I just installed FC3 on my work machine and up2date can't seem to get >> through the corporate firewall. The only outgoing traffic that's allowed >> is on port 80. up2date with RHN used to work without a problem. Does >> anyone know what port is being used with FC3 to get a list of the updates >> and then grab the RPMs? >> >> My proxy settings are correctly set. > the FC test3 (not FC3) release uses the rawhide yum repository by > default, if I'm not mistaken. It's configured in > /etc/sysconfig/rhn/source, and should be specified as an http repo, so > I'd imagine it is trying to go out on port 80. Do you have access to run >a sniffer on your machine to see what's going out? Unfortunately, I don't have access to a sniffer but using netstat it does look like it's hitting our proxy server on port 80. Not sure why it's not getting out. If I change the source to use the up2date default, it gets out but responds by telling me: Error Message: Your account does not have access to any channels matching (release='0.95', arch='i686-redhat-linux') Thanks again! From mharris at redhat.com Wed Oct 15 17:21:08 2003 From: mharris at redhat.com (Mike A. Harris) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 13:21:08 -0400 (EDT) Subject: XFree86 available via yum In-Reply-To: <3F8D5C1A.4080003@cypress.com> References: <200310121635.45173.elwoo@videotron.ca> <3F89D427.7090702@wanadoo.es> <3F8C9C69.4070006@wanadoo.es> <3F8D394C.7080505@gmx.de> <3F8D5C1A.4080003@cypress.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 15 Oct 2003, Thomas Dodd wrote: >> I truely have no idea what this has to do with me providing >> XFree86 via FTP and yum via FTP. > >I think they want http access to the ftp site. Some one >mentioned better download speed with http. It's probably a >configuration/firewall issue on their end though. But they want >to use an http URL for yum since it's faster for them currently. Ah. Well, people.redhat.com is a place where employees are able to put whatever they like in either ftp and/or http. You'd have to convince all employees individually to reconstruct their entire web/ftp space to be the same. Good luck. ;o) The only way it could be universally relied upon would be if it was enforced administratively that way. I dunno about other employees, but if our infrastructure was changed in any dramatic way, I'd just move my ftp/http stuff to a server like freedesktop.org or www.linux.org.uk ;o) >I think the p.rh.c sould be setup with files available both >ways. Some people only have http access (Arjan for one), and I >prefer FTP (like you). I'll forget who as which setup, FTP to >p.rh.c and see nothing, only to find out later that it was >there, but http only. If it requires zero effort on my end, and no modifications to any of my bash scripts, I wouldn't mind. If I have to hack/debug scripts to deal with changes, I'd change them once - to point to a server under my own control that I know wont change. ;o) -- Mike A. Harris ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris OS Systems Engineer - XFree86 maintainer - Red Hat From mharris at redhat.com Wed Oct 15 17:27:03 2003 From: mharris at redhat.com (Mike A. Harris) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 13:27:03 -0400 (EDT) Subject: XFree86 available via yum In-Reply-To: <20031015144325.GA9215@orient.maison> References: <20031015111915.GW24349@shitake.truemesh.com> <20031015122513.GX24349@shitake.truemesh.com> <20031015144325.GA9215@orient.maison> Message-ID: On Wed, 15 Oct 2003, Emmanuel Seyman wrote: >> people.redhat.com appears to be using RHL 7.3. no idea where the >> admin got yum from to install on this version of the OS, but I >> can't complain. ;o) > >The yum 1.x branch exists for machines running on rpm 4.0.x . >If you really want to use yum 2.x on RHL 7.3, you can just upgrade rpm. Very unlikely that anyone with administrative rights to people.redhat.com is going to upgrade RPM on the box just for the sake of yum, and risk destabilizing the entire machine and creating a day or more work for themselves IMHO. I wouldn't even consider to ask them, because if I were an admin, I'd laugh at someone even suggesting it if I were responsible for the box in question. ;o) -- Mike A. Harris ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris OS Systems Engineer - XFree86 maintainer - Red Hat From mharris at redhat.com Wed Oct 15 17:29:34 2003 From: mharris at redhat.com (Mike A. Harris) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 13:29:34 -0400 (EDT) Subject: FYI: Beta 3 Installation Issues In-Reply-To: <52940.63.161.116.194.1066229031@sun-qmail03.laserlink.net> References: <52940.63.161.116.194.1066229031@sun-qmail03.laserlink.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 15 Oct 2003 pjain001 at covad.net wrote: >I was able to easily upgrade my work machine from RHL9 to Fedora Core 3, Fedora Core 3 doesn't exist. We haven't even released Fedora Core 1 yet. >however, using the same media, anytime I tried to upgrade my home machine >( Fedora Core 2) to FC3, it would blow up on the "searching list of I think you mean "test2" and "test3" of Fedora Core 1. ;o) -- Mike A. Harris ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris OS Systems Engineer - XFree86 maintainer - Red Hat From dstewart at atl.lmco.com Wed Oct 15 17:51:43 2003 From: dstewart at atl.lmco.com (Douglas Stewart) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 13:51:43 -0400 Subject: RHGB - Show Details weirdness In-Reply-To: References: <52940.63.161.116.194.1066229031@sun-qmail03.laserlink.net> Message-ID: <3F8D892F.2060207@atl.lmco.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Filed this as bugzilla bug #107180. Appears to be related to 107123. When you click on the "Show Details" link during the bootup sequence, normal "xxx starting: [ OK ]" are shown until after starting keytables, at which point the ['s and ]'s are replaced with umlauted A's and U's. It's a minor annoyance; would anyone have a simple solution to it? - -- - ---------- Doug Stewart Systems Administrator/Web Applications Developer Lockheed Martin Advanced Technology Labs Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/jYkvN50Q8DVvcvkRAiXTAJ4zSC9Z/Fe7akvwd3a7LbRcc3LhqQCaAr/9 6jP1fb13I2lZmwOg3hwPqeE= =wdTY -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From ted at cypress.com Wed Oct 15 17:54:19 2003 From: ted at cypress.com (Thomas Dodd) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 12:54:19 -0500 Subject: XFree86 available via yum In-Reply-To: References: <200310121635.45173.elwoo@videotron.ca> <3F89D427.7090702@wanadoo.es> <3F8C9C69.4070006@wanadoo.es> <3F8D394C.7080505@gmx.de> <3F8D5C1A.4080003@cypress.com> Message-ID: <3F8D89CB.1040201@cypress.com> Mike A. Harris wrote: > On Wed, 15 Oct 2003, Thomas Dodd wrote: >>I think the p.rh.c sould be setup with files available both >>ways. Some people only have http access (Arjan for one), and I >>prefer FTP (like you). I'll forget who as which setup, FTP to >>p.rh.c and see nothing, only to find out later that it was >>there, but http only. > > > If it requires zero effort on my end, and no modifications to any > of my bash scripts, I wouldn't mind. If I have to hack/debug > scripts to deal with changes, I'd change them once - to point to > a server under my own control that I know wont change. ;o) Should be a matter of getting getting http_root to point to ftp_root. It might also need some setting for virtual directory listing or similar. Not sure how p.rh.com is setup, but you may just be able to point .public_html to the root of your ftp tree. I haven't worked much with anon-ftp setups. Where are the apache and ftp gurus... Doesn't matter as much now. If you guys start setting up yum repositories, I just have to enter it in yum.conf and forget about whether it's ftp or http :) If I need to know, I can check yum.conf anyway. -Thomas From balay at fastmail.fm Wed Oct 15 17:58:15 2003 From: balay at fastmail.fm (Satish Balay) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 12:58:15 -0500 (CDT) Subject: yum & kernel updates (rawhide-2.4/arjanv-2.6) Message-ID: Yum behavious mysteriously when mixing the 2.4/2.6 kernel repos. My machine is an athlon box running latest rawhide. I try to use the following with yum: rawhide: baseurl=http://mirror.dulug.duke.edu/pub/yum-repository/redhat/rawhide/$basearch/ 2.6-kernel: baseurl=http://people.redhat.com/arjanv/2.5 Problem 1: Cannot find the 2.6 kernel [root at dreamcast etc]# rpm -q kernel kernel-2.4.22-1.2088.nptl [root at dreamcast etc]# rpm -q yum yum-2.0.3-20031010 [root at dreamcast etc]# yum update kernel Gathering header information file(s) from server(s) Server: Red Hat Linux duke-rawhide - i386 - Base Server: arjanv 2.6 Kernel Finding updated packages Downloading needed headers No Packages Available for Update No actions to take [root at dreamcast etc]# Problem 2: Cannot find the updated 2.4 kernel - if the 2.6 rep is specified. If I remove baseurl=http://people.redhat.com/arjanv/2.5 from yum.conf, then the following happens. [root at dreamcast etc]# yum update Gathering header information file(s) from server(s) Server: Red Hat Linux duke-rawhide - i386 - Base Finding updated packages Downloading needed headers Resolving dependencies Dependencies resolved I will do the following: [install: kernel 2.4.22-1.2093.nptl.athlon] Is this ok [y/N]: Anyone able to use the 2.6 kernel rep with yum? Thanks, Satish From ted at cypress.com Wed Oct 15 18:02:06 2003 From: ted at cypress.com (Thomas Dodd) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 13:02:06 -0500 Subject: redhat-config-xfree86 In-Reply-To: <200310151111.31353.czar@czarc.net> References: <200310151025.53935.czar@czarc.net> <200310151111.31353.czar@czarc.net> Message-ID: <3F8D8B9E.9050509@cypress.com> Gene C. wrote: > 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon RV200 QW > [Radeon 7500] > > ... a real ATI device and not a clone. Never seen a clone of any ATI chip. Who makes them? Or do you me a "Made by" board and no a "Powered by" board? -Thomas From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Wed Oct 15 18:10:22 2003 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: 15 Oct 2003 14:10:22 -0400 Subject: yum & kernel updates (rawhide-2.4/arjanv-2.6) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1066241422.3818.20.camel@opus> On Wed, 2003-10-15 at 13:58, Satish Balay wrote: > Yum behavious mysteriously when mixing the 2.4/2.6 kernel repos. My > machine is an athlon box running latest rawhide. I try to use the > following with yum: > > rawhide: > baseurl=http://mirror.dulug.duke.edu/pub/yum-repository/redhat/rawhide/$basearch/ > 2.6-kernel: > baseurl=http://people.redhat.com/arjanv/2.5 > > Problem 1: Cannot find the 2.6 kernel > > [root at dreamcast etc]# rpm -q kernel > kernel-2.4.22-1.2088.nptl > [root at dreamcast etc]# rpm -q yum > yum-2.0.3-20031010 > do a yum list kernel\* -sv From nsilva-list at aoi.atari-source.com Wed Oct 15 18:10:49 2003 From: nsilva-list at aoi.atari-source.com (Noah Silva [Mailing list]) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 14:10:49 -0400 (EDT) Subject: FYI: Beta 3 Installation Issues In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 15 Oct 2003, Mike A. Harris wrote: > On Wed, 15 Oct 2003 pjain001 at covad.net wrote: > > >I was able to easily upgrade my work machine from RHL9 to Fedora Core 3, > > Fedora Core 3 doesn't exist. We haven't even released Fedora > Core 1 yet. > I also found that Core 1 test 2 woulcn't update to Core 1 test 3, on two different machines. I did a clean install and a over-install on one of the above mentioned machines, and both worked well. also..yum problems today with something like : 404 not found on rawhide_release*20031014*.hdr (there was on names as 20031015)... this could be a problem with freshrpm not updating or something though... -- noah silva From mharris at redhat.com Wed Oct 15 18:12:11 2003 From: mharris at redhat.com (Mike A. Harris) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 14:12:11 -0400 (EDT) Subject: redhat-config-xfree86 In-Reply-To: <200310151111.31353.czar@czarc.net> References: <200310151025.53935.czar@czarc.net> <200310151111.31353.czar@czarc.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 15 Oct 2003, Gene C. wrote: >> If the default AGP mode does not result in a working X server, >> please file a bug report. In the future, the X server is going >> to be changed to use the highest AGP mode available that should >> be compatible with the given card/motherboard chipset for all >> hardware. If incompatibilities or hardware oddities are found, >> they'll be blacklisted. > >The default works but using it seemed to be "better". I assume that "in the >future" is not this time around so using it now is still "OK" (see below). "ok" in the sense that if it works cool. ;o) If it breaks, you get to keep both pieces. ;o) >> The AGPmode setting if used at all, should identically match the >> setting used in the computer CMOS settings. A user who is aware >> of that, is generally technically advanced enough to be able to >> edit the config file by hand IMHO without needing an overly >> complex GUI to do it. Also, I don't believe Windows has a GUI >> method of changing the AGP mode, so we shouldn't even need one >> either. ;o) > >At this point, I do not remember where I ran across the info about AGPmode but >it implied that it would improve performance. To me (very subjective), it >did seem to improve performance when I started using it and so I continued >using it. If you tell me that the performance improvement was all in my head >and wishful thinking, then I will likely stop using it. BTW, the hardware >is: The AGP mode setting configures the X server to use the same AGP mode that the BIOS is set to. Proper usage: Edit BIOS CMOS settings to set the AGP mode, boot Linux, edit X config file, specify same AGPmode setting. This setting *only* affects 3D OpenGL applications. >01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon RV200 QW >[Radeon 7500] > >... a real ATI device and not a clone. Doesn't matter nowadays if one is using Built by ATI or Powered by ATI hardware. Any major problems have been sorted out by now in 4.3.0. >It definitely makes sense to drop this stuff from the GUI tool >since X seems to be evolving toward something which determines >the best parameters to run and then uses them without the user >needing to do anything. Indeed, and 4.4.0 will be the first real attempt for the X server to be able to start up on it's own with zero user configuration. Mostly useful for simple setups and for things like OS installation software, etc. The trend is to autodetect and autoconfigure as much as possible. It'll take a while before that goal is completely achieved though. -- Mike A. Harris ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris OS Systems Engineer - XFree86 maintainer - Red Hat From nsilva-list at aoi.atari-source.com Wed Oct 15 18:14:56 2003 From: nsilva-list at aoi.atari-source.com (Noah Silva [Mailing list]) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 14:14:56 -0400 (EDT) Subject: XFree86 available via yum In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 15 Oct 2003, Mike A. Harris wrote: > On Wed, 15 Oct 2003, Thomas Dodd wrote: > > >> I truely have no idea what this has to do with me providing > >> XFree86 via FTP and yum via FTP. > > > >I think they want http access to the ftp site. Some one > >mentioned better download speed with http. It's probably a > >configuration/firewall issue on their end though. But they want > >to use an http URL for yum since it's faster for them currently. > HTTP has better access times, because it only needs one port open, and doesn't typically have a log in procedure for anonymous access. Even anon FTP still has to log in for every file (or at least for every server). You can definately see the difference with APT, especially on higher latency connections. -- noah silva From mharris at redhat.com Wed Oct 15 18:15:12 2003 From: mharris at redhat.com (Mike A. Harris) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 14:15:12 -0400 (EDT) Subject: wine on FC In-Reply-To: <3F8D6398.1020802@lopht.net> References: <3F8D6398.1020802@lopht.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 15 Oct 2003, Justin Georgeson wrote: >earlier this month there was a thread about building wine 20030911 on FC >.94. The problem seemed to be that the krb5-devel package moved its >header files from /usr/include/kerberos to /usr/include. I'm still >having that same problem on a current rawhide system. I was wondering if >anyone has investigated this at all? Seems to me that any software using kerberos libs that isn't using krb5-config to determine where the headers/libs/etc are is broken. -- Mike A. Harris ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris OS Systems Engineer - XFree86 maintainer - Red Hat From monkiki5 at terra.es Wed Oct 15 18:07:01 2003 From: monkiki5 at terra.es (Paco Avila) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 20:07:01 +0200 Subject: Open Office 1.1.0 i18n Message-ID: <1066241220.5343.2.camel@antares> In previous version of OpenOffice it was installed correctly in spanish. In this new version the spanish support seems to be removed. Is this true? Thanks. From pavelr at coresma.com Wed Oct 15 18:17:24 2003 From: pavelr at coresma.com (Pavel Rosenboim) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 20:17:24 +0200 Subject: RHGB - Show Details weirdness In-Reply-To: <3F8D892F.2060207@atl.lmco.com> References: <52940.63.161.116.194.1066229031@sun-qmail03.laserlink.net> <3F8D892F.2060207@atl.lmco.com> Message-ID: <3F8D8F34.7040701@coresma.com> Douglas Stewart wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Filed this as bugzilla bug #107180. Appears to be related to 107123. > > When you click on the "Show Details" link during the bootup sequence, > normal "xxx starting: [ OK ]" are shown until after starting > keytables, at which point the ['s and ]'s are replaced with umlauted A's > and U's. > > It's a minor annoyance; would anyone have a simple solution to it? I think it's fixed in rawhide. For me at least. BTW, don't reply to a random message from the list if you want to start new thread. This really confuses threaded mail clients. Pavel. From nsilva-list at aoi.atari-source.com Wed Oct 15 18:20:09 2003 From: nsilva-list at aoi.atari-source.com (Noah Silva [Mailing list]) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 14:20:09 -0400 (EDT) Subject: yum and proxy Message-ID: Yum appears not to work with basic authentication. If I set the http_proxy env. var, I still get: Authorization required. Which makes it sound like it tried to use the proxy, but it didn't sent the username and password I put in the env. var. (APT works ok). -- noah silva From mharris at redhat.com Wed Oct 15 18:20:15 2003 From: mharris at redhat.com (Mike A. Harris) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 14:20:15 -0400 (EDT) Subject: FYI: Beta 3 Installation Issues In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, 15 Oct 2003, Noah Silva [Mailing list] wrote: >I also found that Core 1 test 2 woulcn't update to Core 1 test 3, on two >different machines. Upgrades are never guaranteed to work beta->beta. Only upgrades from official OS release (ie: RHL 9) to beta should work. HTH -- Mike A. Harris ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris OS Systems Engineer - XFree86 maintainer - Red Hat From alan at redhat.com Wed Oct 15 18:21:02 2003 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 14:21:02 -0400 (EDT) Subject: XFree86 available via yum In-Reply-To: from "Noah Silva [Mailing list]" at Hyd 15, 2003 02:14:56 Message-ID: <200310151821.h9FIL2U23192@devserv.devel.redhat.com> > HTTP has better access times, because it only needs one port open, and > doesn't typically have a log in procedure for anonymous access. Even anon > FTP still has to log in for every file (or at least for every server). > You can definately see the difference with APT, especially on higher > latency connections. The big problem is that ftp doesnt permit pipelining so you can't presend a single canned login. A lot of tools don't help it by logging in once per file as you say From mharris at redhat.com Wed Oct 15 18:22:08 2003 From: mharris at redhat.com (Mike A. Harris) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 14:22:08 -0400 (EDT) Subject: XFree86 available via yum In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, 15 Oct 2003, Noah Silva [Mailing list] wrote: >> >I think they want http access to the ftp site. Some one >> >mentioned better download speed with http. It's probably a >> >configuration/firewall issue on their end though. But they want >> >to use an http URL for yum since it's faster for them currently. > >HTTP has better access times, because it only needs one port open, and >doesn't typically have a log in procedure for anonymous access. Even anon >FTP still has to log in for every file (or at least for every server). >You can definately see the difference with APT, especially on higher >latency connections. And rsync has even better access times. Perhaps we should disable both ftp and http, and use rsync exclusively instead. ;o) -- Mike A. Harris ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris OS Systems Engineer - XFree86 maintainer - Red Hat From czar at czarc.net Wed Oct 15 18:22:39 2003 From: czar at czarc.net (Gene C.) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 14:22:39 -0400 Subject: redhat-config-xfree86 In-Reply-To: <3F8D8B9E.9050509@cypress.com> References: <200310151025.53935.czar@czarc.net> <200310151111.31353.czar@czarc.net> <3F8D8B9E.9050509@cypress.com> Message-ID: <200310151422.39731.czar@czarc.net> On Wednesday 15 October 2003 14:02, Thomas Dodd wrote: > Or do you me a "Made by" board and no a "Powered by" board? Sorry ... made by -- From nsilva-list at aoi.atari-source.com Wed Oct 15 18:24:59 2003 From: nsilva-list at aoi.atari-source.com (Noah Silva [Mailing list]) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 14:24:59 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Fedora c1t3 and gnome-battery-applet on toshiba laptop Message-ID: Hi, I installed Fedora core 1 test 3 on a recent toshiba laptop (I can find out the model number if there is interest), and the gnome-battery applet insists that the laptop is always plugged in! -- noah silva From dstewart at atl.lmco.com Wed Oct 15 18:26:18 2003 From: dstewart at atl.lmco.com (Douglas Stewart) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 14:26:18 -0400 Subject: RHGB - Show Details weirdness In-Reply-To: <3F8D8F34.7040701@coresma.com> References: <52940.63.161.116.194.1066229031@sun-qmail03.laserlink.net> <3F8D892F.2060207@atl.lmco.com> <3F8D8F34.7040701@coresma.com> Message-ID: <3F8D914A.9060603@atl.lmco.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 | BTW, don't reply to a random message from the list if you want to start | new thread. This really confuses threaded mail clients. | | Pavel. Whoops. Silly, lazy me. Duly noted and corrected for all future occurrences (hopefully!) - -- - ---------- Doug Stewart Systems Administrator/Web Applications Developer Lockheed Martin Advanced Technology Labs Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/jZFJN50Q8DVvcvkRAvEDAJ4idrUr/VsfrWmIcXWl11MeEjAAjgCfQjLG SVoeBgLPrMTlBHzp/MREQeo= =dMwi -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From nsilva-list at aoi.atari-source.com Wed Oct 15 18:27:26 2003 From: nsilva-list at aoi.atari-source.com (Noah Silva [Mailing list]) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 14:27:26 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Installer uses dma for cd-rom? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: This kind of thing makes me wonder how Windows and OS/2 manage to install... is there a huge list in the installer of known broken hardware? At any rate, at some point, broken is broken. -- noah silva On Wed, 15 Oct 2003, Dennis Bjorklund wrote: > It seems like fedora turns on dma for cd-rom drives, and that does not > work on a computer I have. Redhat 9 however works fine to install on that > machine. > > I can get it to install if I give the kernel the parameter ide=nodma. > > Is this really a good change? There are a lot of broken computers out > there that does not work with dma for the cdrom. > > If it's not a mistake but an intended change, then I suggest that a > help text is added to help users find the ide=nodma. > > -- > /Dennis > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > From nsilva-list at aoi.atari-source.com Wed Oct 15 18:26:12 2003 From: nsilva-list at aoi.atari-source.com (Noah Silva [Mailing list]) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 14:26:12 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Mozilla 1.5 out In-Reply-To: <3F8D70DD.5070803@redhat.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 15 Oct 2003, Christopher Blizzard wrote: > It hasn't been discussed, but I don't intend to upgrade this late in the > cycle. Besides, the Mozilla 1.4 branch is the "stable" branch at the > moment. What is the thinking on firebird/thunderbird? (Especially since 1.5 is to be the last release of the integrated mozilla). -- noah silva From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Wed Oct 15 18:44:02 2003 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: 15 Oct 2003 14:44:02 -0400 Subject: XFree86 available via yum In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1066243442.3817.26.camel@opus> > > > HTTP has better access times, because it only needs one port open, and > doesn't typically have a log in procedure for anonymous access. Even anon > FTP still has to log in for every file (or at least for every server). > You can definately see the difference with APT, especially on higher > latency connections. yum uses http keepalive for all servers that support it - so you can nicely pump down files/headers/whatnot w/o reopening the connection. -sv From monkiki5 at terra.es Wed Oct 15 18:39:09 2003 From: monkiki5 at terra.es (Paco Avila) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 20:39:09 +0200 Subject: Open Office 1.1.0 i18n Message-ID: <1066241220.5343.2.camel@antares> In previous version of OpenOffice it was installed correctly in spanish. In this new version the spanish support seems to be removed. Is this true? Thanks. From aoliva at redhat.com Wed Oct 15 18:48:06 2003 From: aoliva at redhat.com (Alexandre Oliva) Date: 15 Oct 2003 15:48:06 -0300 Subject: Services In-Reply-To: <200310150413.59048.jryden@thebox.our-own.net> References: <200310150413.59048.jryden@thebox.our-own.net> Message-ID: On Oct 15, 2003, Joakim Ryden wrote: > Show me a piece of software that could never cause security problems > and I will show you a very rich and famous programmer. :-) Microsoft Windows? Oh, wait! :-) :-) -- Alexandre Oliva Enjoy Guarana', see http://www.ic.unicamp.br/~oliva/ Red Hat GCC Developer aoliva@{redhat.com, gcc.gnu.org} CS PhD student at IC-Unicamp oliva@{lsd.ic.unicamp.br, gnu.org} Free Software Evangelist Professional serial bug killer From db at zigo.dhs.org Wed Oct 15 18:49:25 2003 From: db at zigo.dhs.org (Dennis Bjorklund) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 20:49:25 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Installer uses dma for cd-rom? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 15 Oct 2003, Noah Silva [Mailing list] wrote: > This kind of thing makes me wonder how Windows and OS/2 manage to > install... The same way as redhat used to work I guess, but not enabling things during the install that is not really needed and that can effect more then some number of users. > is there a huge list in the installer of known broken hardware? The kernel is full of such information. -- /Dennis From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Wed Oct 15 18:51:46 2003 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: 15 Oct 2003 14:51:46 -0400 Subject: yum and proxy In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1066243906.3818.30.camel@opus> On Wed, 2003-10-15 at 14:20, Noah Silva [Mailing list] wrote: > Yum appears not to work with basic authentication. > are you saying yum doesn't work with basic authentication or yum via a proxy doesn't work with basic auth? -sv From jryden at thebox.our-own.net Wed Oct 15 18:52:58 2003 From: jryden at thebox.our-own.net (Joakim Ryden) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 11:52:58 -0700 Subject: Services In-Reply-To: References: <200310150413.59048.jryden@thebox.our-own.net> Message-ID: <200310151152.58066.jryden@thebox.our-own.net> On Wednesday 15 October 2003 11:48 am, Alexandre Oliva wrote: > On Oct 15, 2003, Joakim Ryden wrote: > > Show me a piece of software that could never cause security problems > > and I will show you a very rich and famous programmer. :-) > > Microsoft Windows? > > Oh, wait! :-) :-) I think you have 'famous' and 'infamous' mixed up. :-) From fedoralist at maethos.com Wed Oct 15 18:54:48 2003 From: fedoralist at maethos.com (fedoralist at maethos.com) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 14:54:48 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Must test media prior to install? Message-ID: Each time I attempt to install without testing the media, which has passed the test each time, the anaconda fails. If I test the media, I will not be able to pass: linux ks=floppy during setup in order to run my kickstart script. Is there an additional argument to allow the media to appear tested? From katzj at redhat.com Wed Oct 15 19:05:59 2003 From: katzj at redhat.com (Jeremy Katz) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 15:05:59 -0400 Subject: Evolution Doesn't Delete Trash In-Reply-To: <3F8CA130.9080200@speakeasy.net> References: <3F8CA130.9080200@speakeasy.net> Message-ID: <1066244759.10429.9.camel@mirkwood.devel.redhat.com> On Tue, 2003-10-14 at 21:21, Robert L Cochran wrote: > If you set up Evolution with a standard unix mbox type of mail account, > and check off the option for emptying trash folders on exit, it does not > in fact delete the trash folder for the mbox account. Is there a fix for > this? Delete just marks deleted, you have to expunge (Ctrl+E) to actually remove the messages (or turn on emptying the trash on exit) Cheers, Jeremy From katzj at redhat.com Wed Oct 15 19:12:32 2003 From: katzj at redhat.com (Jeremy Katz) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 15:12:32 -0400 Subject: Anaconda Installer: Use of swap space on a multi-drive, multiboot system In-Reply-To: <3F8CA35D.9060401@speakeasy.net> References: <3F8CA35D.9060401@speakeasy.net> Message-ID: <1066245152.10429.14.camel@mirkwood.devel.redhat.com> On Tue, 2003-10-14 at 21:31, Robert L Cochran wrote: > When the anaconda installer is presented with a system that has more > than one physical hard drive installed, and the other drive has a linux > system on it, it tries to snatch the swap space that belongs to the > other system. [snip] > I don't think anaconda should be doing that. Comments? This comes up occasionally. It originally was due to interactions with allowing you to run fdisk interactively during the install (wow, that was a bad idea ;) Of course, even if we don't switch to formatting all swap partitions, we'll still end up using them all. Well, unless someone has an idea of how to say "use this swap partition" that fits in well with the rest of the interface. Cheers, Jeremy From balay at fastmail.fm Wed Oct 15 19:22:48 2003 From: balay at fastmail.fm (Satish Balay) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 14:22:48 -0500 (CDT) Subject: yum & kernel updates (rawhide-2.4/arjanv-2.6) In-Reply-To: <1066241422.3818.20.camel@opus> References: <1066241422.3818.20.camel@opus> Message-ID: On Wed, 15 Oct 2003, seth vidal wrote: > On Wed, 2003-10-15 at 13:58, Satish Balay wrote: > > Yum behavious mysteriously when mixing the 2.4/2.6 kernel repos. My > > machine is an athlon box running latest rawhide. I try to use the > > following with yum: > > > > rawhide: > > baseurl=http://mirror.dulug.duke.edu/pub/yum-repository/redhat/rawhide/$basearch/ > > 2.6-kernel: > > baseurl=http://people.redhat.com/arjanv/2.5 > > > > Problem 1: Cannot find the 2.6 kernel > > > > [root at dreamcast etc]# rpm -q kernel > > kernel-2.4.22-1.2088.nptl > > [root at dreamcast etc]# rpm -q yum > > yum-2.0.3-20031010 > > > > do a yum list kernel\* [root at dreamcast root]# yum list kern* Gathering header information file(s) from server(s) Server: Red Hat Linux duke-rawhide - i386 - Base Server: arjanv 2.6 Kernel Finding updated packages Downloading needed headers Looking in Available Packages: Name Arch Version Repo -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- kernel-BOOT i386 2.4.22-1.2093.nptl 2-duke-rawhide kernel-debuginfo i386 2.6.0-0.test7.1.57 kernel-arjanv kernel-debuginfo i686 2.6.0-0.test7.1.57 kernel-arjanv kernel-debuginfo i586 2.6.0-0.test7.1.57 kernel-arjanv kernel-doc i386 2.6.0-0.test7.1.57 kernel-arjanv kernel-smp i586 2.6.0-0.test7.1.57 kernel-arjanv kernel-smp i686 2.6.0-0.test7.1.57 kernel-arjanv kernel-smp athlon 2.4.22-1.2093.nptl 2-duke-rawhide kernel-smp-unsupported i586 2.6.0-0.test7.1.57 kernel-arjanv kernel-smp-unsupported i686 2.6.0-0.test7.1.57 kernel-arjanv kernel-source i386 2.6.0-0.test7.1.57 kernel-arjanv kernel-unsupported i686 2.6.0-0.test7.1.57 kernel-arjanv kernel-unsupported i586 2.6.0-0.test7.1.57 kernel-arjanv Looking in Installed Packages: Name Arch Version Repo -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- kernel athlon 2.4.22-1.2088.nptl db kernel-pcmcia-cs i386 1:3.1.31-13 db kernel-utils i386 1:2.4-8.31 db [root at dreamcast root]# grep kernel-2.6 /var/cache/yum/kernel-arjanv/header.info 0:kernel-2.6.0-0.test7.1.57.i686=RPMS.kernel/kernel-2.6.0-0.test7.1.57.i686.rpm 0:kernel-2.6.0-0.test7.1.57.i586=RPMS.kernel/kernel-2.6.0-0.test7.1.57.i586.rpm The above 2 packages are not listed by 'yum list' Satish From katzj at redhat.com Wed Oct 15 19:29:07 2003 From: katzj at redhat.com (Jeremy Katz) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 15:29:07 -0400 Subject: Impressions - Class installed test3 last night In-Reply-To: <1066220843.21255.9.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> References: <1066220843.21255.9.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> Message-ID: <1066246147.10429.17.camel@mirkwood.devel.redhat.com> On Wed, 2003-10-15 at 08:27, Christopher A. Williams wrote: > Everyone agreed the new install screens with "less visual noise" was a > good thing. It looks *much* better. The graphical boot - and more > importantly - the mouse, works reliably now at first bootup. It never > did before. Glad to hear it :) > The one thing we did find is that we enabled the firewall and then set > the eth0 interface to allow all traffic. This caused samba (and a few > other things like ssh) not to work. Disabling the firewall instead > allowed samba to magically act as it should. I'm not sure if that's a > bug, but to me if you are going to install a firewall and allow all > traffic through on one particular interface, this should be as if there > is no firewall on that interface. That doesn't seem to be the case. Allowing for specific interfaces had a bug (#105994) -- fixed in CVS an hour or so ago. Cheers, Jeremy From tdiehl at rogueind.com Wed Oct 15 19:29:55 2003 From: tdiehl at rogueind.com (Tom Diehl) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 15:29:55 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Severn Beta3 bombed during upgrade In-Reply-To: <008801c3928c$af959b40$9100000a@intgrp.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 14 Oct 2003, Eric Wood wrote: > Doing an Upgrade to RH, the system did a sudden shutdown during the What did you upgrade from?? > dependancy resolving phase - even though there were no obvious errors. This > is a the last notes on virtual console 3: > > ...... > * moving (1) to step checkdeps > * moving (1) to step confirmupgrade > * moving (1) to step install > * moving (1) to step migratefilesystems > * moving (1) to step preinstallconfig > * moving (1) to step installpackages > > I guess this is a hint to do a fresh install! ;-) That should work. That said upgrades from beta to beta are not supported. upgrades from a previous non-beta version of RHL should work and if they do not should be reported with ALL details to bugzilla (and here if you so choose, but if you want anything done about the problem it must go in bugzilla.) HTH, -- ......Tom Registered Linux User #14522 http://counter.li.org tdiehl at rogueind.com My current SpamTrap -------> mtd123 at rogueind.com From p00mda at du.se Wed Oct 15 19:45:32 2003 From: p00mda at du.se (Mattias Dahlberg) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 21:45:32 +0200 (MEST) Subject: Startup-notification and OO.org documents Message-ID: Hi, I noticed that I don't get any startup notification when I double-click on an OO.org document in Nautilus. Not very surprising though, as OO.org isn't a real GNOME app. But has it been tried or thought about patching OO.org to support this? Red Hat have done other nice things to OO.org, like giving it beautiful anti-aliased fonts. :) Regards, Mattias From cochranb at speakeasy.net Wed Oct 15 19:38:31 2003 From: cochranb at speakeasy.net (Robert L Cochran) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 15:38:31 -0400 Subject: Anaconda Installer: Use of swap space on a multi-drive, multiboot system In-Reply-To: <1066245152.10429.14.camel@mirkwood.devel.redhat.com> References: <3F8CA35D.9060401@speakeasy.net> <1066245152.10429.14.camel@mirkwood.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <3F8DA237.7060409@speakeasy.net> If the user specifies an allowable hard drive in a multi-drive machine, you should only use the allowed drive as the source of a swap partition. Speaking for myself, I don't want the installer to mess with my other drives unless I explicitly allow that. I have not yet been given a single good reason for the installer to format a swap partition on another drive, either. Bob Jeremy Katz wrote: > On Tue, 2003-10-14 at 21:31, Robert L Cochran wrote: > >>When the anaconda installer is presented with a system that has more >>than one physical hard drive installed, and the other drive has a linux >>system on it, it tries to snatch the swap space that belongs to the >>other system. > > [snip] > >>I don't think anaconda should be doing that. Comments? > > > This comes up occasionally. It originally was due to interactions with > allowing you to run fdisk interactively during the install (wow, that > was a bad idea ;) > > Of course, even if we don't switch to formatting all swap partitions, > we'll still end up using them all. Well, unless someone has an idea of > how to say "use this swap partition" that fits in well with the rest of > the interface. > > Cheers, > > Jeremy > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > -- Bob Cochran Greenbelt, Maryland, USA http://greenbeltcomputer.biz/ From elwoo at videotron.ca Wed Oct 15 19:41:45 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 15:41:45 -0400 Subject: fedora-test-list digest, Vol 1 #267 - 31 msgs In-Reply-To: <20031014162455.14313.qmail@web10006.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20031014162455.14313.qmail@web10006.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200310151541.45413.elwoo@videotron.ca> On October 14, 2003 12:24 pm, Ryan G. , <"Ryan G." > wrote: > It's a pctel winmodem but it has worked quite well prior to fedora (and > I'm using a custom kernel not the fedora one and the same one that > worked before). You won't get much of a response if you don't put an appropriate subject line, IMHO! cheers, Elton ;-) -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From martyn-d at moving-picture.com Wed Oct 15 20:44:22 2003 From: martyn-d at moving-picture.com (Martyn Drake) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 21:44:22 +0100 Subject: Installing 0.95 graphically with an ATI Radeon 9800 Message-ID: <3F8DB1A6.8040603@moving-picture.com> Hi, This evening I've installed Fedora Core 0.95 on my home machine which is a Dell Dimension 8300 configured with a Pentium 4 3.2Ghz processor on a Canterwood (i.e. 875P) motherboard. I have an ATI Radeon 9800 graphics card (NOT the Pro version) with 128Mb RAM. Anaconda will happily detect the correct graphics card and monitor (which is a Dell TFT 17" display whose exact model number escapes me, but that's not important) but when it boots into X to continue the installation I'm presented with a white screen and mouse pointer before the entire machine locks-up and I have to do a hard reset. Not a problem, I'll try installing via text mode and that works a treat. On first boot-up, Fedora goes into graphical start-up (which looks extremely nice, BTW - I love it!) and then starts up into first-boot configuration. The Welcome to Fedora screen pops up and I click Next to continue after which the machine once again completely locks up and I have to do a hard reset. Tried to drop to run level 3 upon the next reboot and start X normally and got as far as the Fedora Core logo before the whole machine locked up again. When I next rebooted, I dropped down into runlevel 3 again, but this time installed the official ATI drivers, ran fglrxconfig and brought the system back up to runlevel 5 and all was well. No problems since and I've now got to explore what's in this new release :) Unfortunately I don't have any logs when the machine crashed - I can't see anything that would shed light as to why the standard X-server would cause the machine to completely lock-up the way it did. Regards, Martyn From tdiehl at rogueind.com Wed Oct 15 19:46:40 2003 From: tdiehl at rogueind.com (Tom Diehl) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 15:46:40 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Anaconda Installer: Use of swap space on a multi-drive, multiboot system In-Reply-To: <3F8DA237.7060409@speakeasy.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 15 Oct 2003, Robert L Cochran wrote: > If the user specifies an allowable hard drive in a multi-drive machine, > you should only use the allowed drive as the source of a swap partition. > Speaking for myself, I don't want the installer to mess with my other > drives unless I explicitly allow that. > > I have not yet been given a single good reason for the installer to > format a swap partition on another drive, either. Well let me play devil's advocate and ask what are the downsides to having it use/format a "linux swap partition" on another drive. Is there some other potential use for it?? -- ......Tom Registered Linux User #14522 http://counter.li.org tdiehl at rogueind.com My current SpamTrap -------> mtd123 at rogueind.com From nsilva-list at aoi.atari-source.com Wed Oct 15 19:46:48 2003 From: nsilva-list at aoi.atari-source.com (Noah Silva [Mailing list]) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 15:46:48 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Fedora Graphic Boot process In-Reply-To: <1066161486.4544.44.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: > On Tue, 2003-10-14 at 14:31, Don wrote: > And start up, too. SCO Open Server has parallelized the start up of > services for years. (i.e. if Open Server of all things, can do it, why > can't Linux?) > > Any chance of something like: > > http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-boot.html?ca=dgr-lnxw04BootFaster > > or something similar making it into Fedora Core? I would vote for this too. When I mentioned it on #fedora, I was told it was investigated, and thought not to actually save that much time in most cases.. -- noah silva From memphis_ownz at hotmail.com Wed Oct 15 19:55:03 2003 From: memphis_ownz at hotmail.com (Memphis Owns) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 15:55:03 -0400 Subject: Anaconda bug on Fedora .95?? Message-ID: >From: Gerry Tool >Reply-To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com >To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com >Subject: Re: Anaconda bug on Fedora .95?? >Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 08:57:01 -0500 > >On Tue, 2003-10-14 at 07:27, Tim Whitbeck wrote: > > I just got the isos for Test release 3 last night from > > http://torrent.dulug.duke.edu/ > > and I'm having problems with Anaconda. I have all packages available on > > rawhide channel up2date and when anaconda says "searching for packages > > to upgrade" it gets a big error and bombs out. Anyone else get this? > > If not I'll save the bug output to a floppy and put it on bugzilla. I > > thought this was a bug in Anaconda for release 2? > >My install went without a hitch. Did you test the CDs? I downloaded >using Mozilla instead of bittorrent. > >Gerry > > > >-- >fedora-test-list mailing list >fedora-test-list at redhat.com >http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list I did download with BitTorrent, but I thought it didn't have any problems with corruption? Anyways, that was my first idea, but the media test verified the CD. So I don't think that was it. I did a clean install anyways, and that worked beautifully, just thought I would put that bug out in the open. I really should have got the text... _________________________________________________________________ Page a contact?s mobile phone with MSN Messenger 6.0. Download it now FREE! http://msnmessenger-download.com From nsilva-list at aoi.atari-source.com Wed Oct 15 19:55:33 2003 From: nsilva-list at aoi.atari-source.com (Noah Silva [Mailing list]) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 15:55:33 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Fedora Graphic Boot process In-Reply-To: <1066154389.5671.11.camel@blue.comcast.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 14 Oct 2003, Clifford Snow wrote: > I know this is picky. Let's face it, how often do we really need to > reboot? One of my [BSD user] friends said this to me too. But the more we got non-traditional unix users onto linux, the more stuff like this will matter. > BTW - I'm not even too sure that I like the graphical boot. I noticed > today that one of my services failed. Since it was the NTPD I probably > wouldn't have noticed if I hadn't clicked on details. I can see two good options here: a.) some message is shown on the screen if and only when there is a problem. (in some cases, "problems" might be normal thoguh.. like initing the wireless card when you're not in rance..) b.) some utility like logcheck set up by default to email users in a friendly way. Like "ActiveMonitor" on Sun Cobalt boxes, sent me a message before "The collision rate on eth1 is getting high.. you should consider moving it to a switch, or spreading the load to other machines"... surprised me. -- noah silva From shugal at gmx.de Wed Oct 15 19:59:24 2003 From: shugal at gmx.de (Martin Stricker) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 21:59:24 +0200 Subject: Services References: <200310151307.07900.fedora@warmcat.com> Message-ID: <3F8DA71C.40B7D995@gmx.de> Andy Green wrote: > Its clear that if ISDN was up only on machines with ISDN hardware, > that would be optimal. > > Also, I keep getting a userspace package associated with ISDN > installed, this is another case where some kind of virtual ISDN > support package that includes the driver and userspace stuff could be > installed on detection of the hardware, rather than crufting up the > machines here which will never have ISDN. At first thought, you are right - install hardware-dependent software only if that hardware is present. But then, think about the average user, and the case that he has an ISDN card which is not recognized by kudzu. He will install the driver that comes with the card - but it won't work because the userspasce software is not installed. I doubt that a regular user will ever think about this. I don't like to install anything that I don't really need - which is why I keep a very detailed kickstart file around... ;-)) Anyone who dislikes unnecessary software and services usually nows how to disable/uninstall them. It is not always easy to decide what software should be installed/started by default, but I think Red Hat does a good job here. If you disagree, please file a RFE into bugzilla with a good explanation why you think a particular piece of software shouldn't be installed/started by default. Has Mike said, there's always room for improvement! Best regards, Martin -- Homepage: http://www.martin-stricker.de/ Linux Migration Project: http://www.linux-migration.org/ Red Hat Linux 8.0 for low memory: http://www.rule-project.org/ Registered Linux user #210635: http://counter.li.org/ From nsilva-list at aoi.atari-source.com Wed Oct 15 20:01:41 2003 From: nsilva-list at aoi.atari-source.com (Noah Silva [Mailing list]) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 16:01:41 -0400 (EDT) Subject: apt vs yum In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > > > Is one or the other going to be the "preferred" method besides up2date, > > > or are both going to continue to be supported in the free area? It > > > sounds like yum is the preferred method, but still lots of people using > > > apt, so wasn't sure. > > > > I think it is pretty much a matter of which side of the religion you wish > > to be on. Personally I lean toward yum but that is just me. Seems like "redhat people" like YUM better, while "Debian people" like APT better.. then again it was a rh based distro that ported APT. APT supposedly did some dirty tricks with RPM in the past.. then again YUM seems to me infinitely slower than apt, and I like being able to use the same tool on my debian and redhat machines. But I couldn't use APT on rawhide last I checked, so the point is moot. -- noah silva From garrett at redhat.com Wed Oct 15 20:02:42 2003 From: garrett at redhat.com (Garrett LeSage) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 16:02:42 -0400 Subject: test 3 installation comments/questions In-Reply-To: References: <200310140856.16437.czar@czarc.net> <1066146485.14415.18.camel@avatar.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <3F8DA7E2.7050407@redhat.com> Edward C. Bailey wrote: >>>>>>"msf" == Michael Fulbright writes: >>>>>> >>>>>> >... >msf> I do agree there is the issue of how do you let the user know the >msf> installer hasn't fallen over. I got rid of the individual package >msf> progress bar because it basically flashes left to right in about 1 >msf> seconds for 90% of the packages and is visually noisy. Perhaps there >msf> is another way to give intra-package feedback I haven't thought of. > >All it needs to be is some sort of throbber that's tickled by the >individual packages' "percent-installed" indicator. Cycle the color map on >a chunk of screen real estate, move a second hand around the face of a >stopwatch, whatever -- it just needs to show some sign of life as each >package install proceeds... > > Well, there is the newly designed spinner (as seen in Nautilus and rhgb)... (: Garrett From nsilva-list at aoi.atari-source.com Wed Oct 15 20:04:05 2003 From: nsilva-list at aoi.atari-source.com (Noah Silva [Mailing list]) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 16:04:05 -0400 (EDT) Subject: New extra packages and yum repository In-Reply-To: <1066147414.4511.36.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> Message-ID: I'd like to see the RSS-GLX included in redhat, or at least one of the fedora servers.. I have seen rss-gls packages by at least one other person, and by Ximian too... > - rss-glx-0.7.6-1 (screen savers, need new ImageMagick packages from If we're going to ship screen savers, we may as well ship good ones... -- noah silva From kaboom at gatech.edu Wed Oct 15 20:05:00 2003 From: kaboom at gatech.edu (Chris Ricker) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 16:05:00 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Anaconda Installer: Use of swap space on a multi-drive, multiboot system In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 15 Oct 2003, Tom Diehl wrote: > Well let me play devil's advocate and ask what are the downsides to having > it use/format a "linux swap partition" on another drive. Is there some other > potential use for it?? Solaris/x86 partitions are type 0x82, same as Linux swap. Arguably, RH automatically overwriting those is a feature, not a bug, though ;-) later, chris From elwoo at videotron.ca Wed Oct 15 19:51:11 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 15:51:11 -0400 Subject: Open office not in the menus... Fedora Core test3 Message-ID: <200310151551.11991.elwoo@videotron.ca> The default entries for Office --> Word processor and More Office Applications --> Word Processor *both* launch Abiword. None of the Open Office items are in the menu. (Fedoara Core Test 3 / RH 9.0.95) Elton . -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From kaboom at gatech.edu Wed Oct 15 20:10:38 2003 From: kaboom at gatech.edu (Chris Ricker) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 16:10:38 -0400 (EDT) Subject: New extra packages and yum repository In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 15 Oct 2003, Noah Silva [Mailing list] wrote: > > I'd like to see the RSS-GLX included in redhat, or at least one of the > fedora servers.. I have seen rss-gls packages by at least one other > person, and by Ximian too... > > > - rss-glx-0.7.6-1 (screen savers, need new ImageMagick packages from > > If we're going to ship screen savers, we may as well ship good ones... As a counter-argument, though, there are enough problems with the GL-based xscreensaver savers crashing X servers already, without adding more eye candy into the mix which'll do the same (and if you look in bugzilla, you'll find there are already bug reports in there from RSS crashing X servers) later, chris From jgeorgeson at lopht.net Wed Oct 15 20:12:17 2003 From: jgeorgeson at lopht.net (Justin Georgeson) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 15:12:17 -0500 Subject: apt vs yum References: Message-ID: <3F8DAA21.9080902@lopht.net> Noah Silva [Mailing list] wrote: > > Seems like "redhat people" like YUM better, while "Debian people" like APT > better.. then again it was a rh based distro that ported APT. I certainly agree with that. > APT supposedly did some dirty tricks with RPM in the past.. > then again YUM seems to me infinitely slower than apt, and I like being > able to use the same tool on my debian and redhat machines. what dirty tricks? APT should do nothing more than search repositories for the specified package, check dependencies, download candidates, and call rpm. > But I couldn't use APT on rawhide last I checked, so the point is moot. not from redhat.com ofr fedora.us, but there is a rawhide APT repo on freshrpms.net. rpm http://ayo.freshrpms.net/redhat rawhide/i386 os I've trouble with the apt package from fedora.us, but the RH9 apt package from freshrpms.net seems to work just peachy. From jryden at thebox.our-own.net Wed Oct 15 20:14:29 2003 From: jryden at thebox.our-own.net (Joakim Ryden) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 13:14:29 -0700 Subject: Services In-Reply-To: <3F8DA71C.40B7D995@gmx.de> References: <200310151307.07900.fedora@warmcat.com> <3F8DA71C.40B7D995@gmx.de> Message-ID: <200310151314.29414.jryden@thebox.our-own.net> On Wednesday 15 October 2003 12:59 pm, Martin Stricker wrote: [...] > I don't like to install anything that I don't really need - which is why > I keep a very detailed kickstart file around... ;-)) Anyone who dislikes > unnecessary software and services usually nows how to disable/uninstall > them. It is not always easy to decide what software should be > installed/started by default, but I think Red Hat does a good job here. I think the opposite is true as well. Think about the average user who doesn't want a lot of cruft on his system--is he then to go into advanced package selection mode and deselect stuff he has no clue about? Or start poking around removing packages after installation breaking all sorts of things? This is sort of hard because I think it's generally pretty much equally difficult to know what to install versus what not to install. I definitely see the point of "better safe than sorry so let's install more than less" but I'm not sure I agree with it. --Jo From elwoo at videotron.ca Wed Oct 15 20:18:01 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 16:18:01 -0400 Subject: can't umount cdrom In-Reply-To: <1066060069.7289.141.camel@earth.xades.com> References: <1066028138.10362.3.camel@tiger> <1066058946.19808.68.camel@poincare.devel.redhat.com> <1066060069.7289.141.camel@earth.xades.com> Message-ID: <200310151618.01326.elwoo@videotron.ca> On October 13, 2003 11:47 am, nosp , > wrote: > On Mon, 2003-10-13 at 16:29, Owen Taylor wrote: > > But Nautilus/fam should never be watching anything for which there isn't > > a window open on the desktop. If that happens, that's also is worth > > putting in bugzilla. > > I've seen that plenty of times with fam Severn/FCb2 and nfs shares: no > open windows (there were in the past) but fam still shows in lsof output > has having the directory open. Next time it happens I'll put it in > bugzilla. I've entered a new bug: Summary: unable to unmount / eject CD or floppy, though these devices are NOT in use. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=107174 Elton :-( -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From katzj at redhat.com Wed Oct 15 20:18:51 2003 From: katzj at redhat.com (Jeremy Katz) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 16:18:51 -0400 Subject: Anaconda Installer: Use of swap space on a multi-drive, multiboot system In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1066249131.10429.21.camel@mirkwood.devel.redhat.com> On Wed, 2003-10-15 at 16:05, Chris Ricker wrote: > On Wed, 15 Oct 2003, Tom Diehl wrote: > > > Well let me play devil's advocate and ask what are the downsides to having > > it use/format a "linux swap partition" on another drive. Is there some other > > potential use for it?? > > Solaris/x86 partitions are type 0x82, same as Linux swap. Ah, but they don't have a swap filesystem, so they don't (shouldn't) get considered :) Cheers, Jeremy From jkeating at j2solutions.net Wed Oct 15 20:18:45 2003 From: jkeating at j2solutions.net (Jesse Keating) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 13:18:45 -0700 Subject: apt vs yum In-Reply-To: <3F8DAA21.9080902@lopht.net> References: <3F8DAA21.9080902@lopht.net> Message-ID: <200310151318.48980.jkeating@j2solutions.net> On Wednesday 15 October 2003 13:12, Justin Georgeson wrote: > what dirty tricks? APT should do nothing more than search > repositories for the specified package, check dependencies, download > candidates, and call rpm. It used to call rpm with --force and --nodeps. Hopefully it doesn't do that anymore. -- Jesse Keating RHCE MCSE (geek.j2solutions.net) Fedora Legacy Team (www.fedora.us/wiki/FedoraLegacy) Mondo DevTeam (www.mondorescue.org) GPG Public Key (geek.j2solutions.net/jkeating.j2solutions.pub) Was I helpful? 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The default screen saver setting in past versions of Red Hat is *lousy* because the following often happens: 1) it randomly cycles through the default list which includes all screen savers 2) on many machines the OpenGL drivers are flaky 3) after some (random) time period, an OpenGL screen saver is run which exercises the flaky OpenGL driver and causes a crash 4) the (often inexperienced) user then can't figure out why his/her workstation has locked up while they were *away* from the machine. Note that this is a fairly common scenario. Please do one or more of the following: 1) turn off OpenGL screensavers by default 2) warn users about the above when they explicitly turn on OpenGL screen savers thanks, Ed -- Edward H. Hill III, PhD office: MIT Dept. of EAPS; Room 54-1424; 77 Massachusetts Ave. Cambridge, MA 02139-4307 email: eh3 at mit.edu, ed at eh3.com URL: http://web.mit.edu/eh3/ phone: 617-253-0098 fax: 617-253-4464 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From nsilva-list at aoi.atari-source.com Wed Oct 15 20:21:24 2003 From: nsilva-list at aoi.atari-source.com (Noah Silva [Mailing list]) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 16:21:24 -0400 (EDT) Subject: openoffice 1.1? In-Reply-To: <1066053106.6064.3.camel@blue.comcast.net> Message-ID: > > Openoffice 1.1 is included in Beta 2, Severn 0.94, and works great. See > previous threads. although, it doesn't seem to have the gnome-ification to the extent that debian-unstable's OO and Ximian's OO have. (and debian's is 1.1) In particular, my rawhide machine still has the old OO icons (on the toolbar, etc.), not the Gnome ones. Also, using the Japanese language often ends up with Boxes.. using the english, but under Japanese Gnome login.. it is like half and half! -- noah silva From jgeorgeson at lopht.net Wed Oct 15 20:29:39 2003 From: jgeorgeson at lopht.net (Justin Georgeson) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 15:29:39 -0500 Subject: apt vs yum References: <3F8DAA21.9080902@lopht.net> <200310151318.48980.jkeating@j2solutions.net> Message-ID: <3F8DAE33.3000503@lopht.net> Jesse Keating wrote: > On Wednesday 15 October 2003 13:12, Justin Georgeson wrote: > >>what dirty tricks? APT should do nothing more than search >>repositories for the specified package, check dependencies, download >>candidates, and call rpm. > > > It used to call rpm with --force and --nodeps. Hopefully it doesn't do > that anymore. > I think it is still doing something like that then, as the RawHide RPMs aren't necessarily signed, and I don't think I've seen it complain about that. From czar at czarc.net Wed Oct 15 20:31:25 2003 From: czar at czarc.net (Gene C.) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 16:31:25 -0400 Subject: Anaconda Installer: Use of swap space on a multi-drive,=?iso-8859-1?q? multiboot?= system In-Reply-To: <3F8DA237.7060409@speakeasy.net> References: <3F8CA35D.9060401@speakeasy.net> <1066245152.10429.14.camel@mirkwood.devel.redhat.com> <3F8DA237.7060409@speakeasy.net> Message-ID: <200310151631.25464.czar@czarc.net> On Wednesday 15 October 2003 15:38, Robert L Cochran wrote: > If the user specifies an allowable hard drive in a multi-drive machine, > you should only use the allowed drive as the source of a swap partition. > Speaking for myself, I don't want the installer to mess with my other > drives unless I explicitly allow that. > > I have not yet been given a single good reason for the installer to > format a swap partition on another drive, either. Good luck. I have been fighting this problem for years now with no progress. On the other hand, letting it use all of the swap areas during the install and then removing the extra ones post install is not that big a deal. One of the real problems is that it will a partition which has been previously used as a swap area regardless of what partition type it now has. -- Gene From blizzard at redhat.com Wed Oct 15 20:47:33 2003 From: blizzard at redhat.com (Christopher Blizzard) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 16:47:33 -0400 Subject: Mozilla 1.5 out In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3F8DB265.9030105@redhat.com> Noah Silva [Mailing list] wrote: >On Wed, 15 Oct 2003, Christopher Blizzard wrote: > > > >>It hasn't been discussed, but I don't intend to upgrade this late in the >>cycle. Besides, the Mozilla 1.4 branch is the "stable" branch at the >>moment. >> >> > >What is the thinking on firebird/thunderbird? (Especially since 1.5 is to >be the last release of the integrated mozilla). > > -- noah silva > > > 1.5 isn't going to be the last integrated mozilla. We're actually going to be maintaining the SeaMonkey suite as long as people are asking for it and it's still viable. I've still got problems with firebird/thunderbird, the largest is that there's no way to migrate profiles from your currently running Mozilla to the new products. --Chris -- ------------ Christopher Blizzard http://people.redhat.com/blizzard/ ------------ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alan at redhat.com Wed Oct 15 21:09:27 2003 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 17:09:27 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Installer uses dma for cd-rom? In-Reply-To: from "Noah Silva [Mailing list]" at Hyd 15, 2003 02:27:26 Message-ID: <200310152109.h9FL9RG28984@devserv.devel.redhat.com> > This kind of thing makes me wonder how Windows and OS/2 manage to > install... is there a huge list in the installer of known broken hardware? Most MS OS's disable DMA on CD-ROM but not CD-R/DVD devices. Later ones seem to be using a precise blacklist From mwb at nullo.neostrada.pl Wed Oct 15 21:11:07 2003 From: mwb at nullo.neostrada.pl (MWB) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 23:11:07 +0200 Subject: freeglut-1.3 Message-ID: <1066252266.2104.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hi! In FC we have freeglut-1.3, I think that should be upgraded to 2.0. I heve compiled 2.0 without any troube (FC test 2 and 3) but yumming is easier than compiling. I there any chance? From aoliva at redhat.com Wed Oct 15 21:13:04 2003 From: aoliva at redhat.com (Alexandre Oliva) Date: 15 Oct 2003 18:13:04 -0300 Subject: XFree86 available via yum In-Reply-To: <200310151821.h9FIL2U23192@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <200310151821.h9FIL2U23192@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: On Oct 15, 2003, Alan Cox wrote: > The big problem is that ftp doesnt permit pipelining so you can't presend > a single canned login Err... AFAIK ftp permits eve more pipelining than http, in that you can use a single control connection to open multiple transfers in parallel, whereas with http, since data and control connections are the same, you can only get data for one file after the transfer of the previous file is complete. Now on to figure out how many ftp clients and servers actually take advantage of this fact :-) -- Alexandre Oliva Enjoy Guarana', see http://www.ic.unicamp.br/~oliva/ Red Hat GCC Developer aoliva@{redhat.com, gcc.gnu.org} CS PhD student at IC-Unicamp oliva@{lsd.ic.unicamp.br, gnu.org} Free Software Evangelist Professional serial bug killer From aoliva at redhat.com Wed Oct 15 21:17:10 2003 From: aoliva at redhat.com (Alexandre Oliva) Date: 15 Oct 2003 18:17:10 -0300 Subject: Services In-Reply-To: <200310151152.58066.jryden@thebox.our-own.net> References: <200310150413.59048.jryden@thebox.our-own.net> <200310151152.58066.jryden@thebox.our-own.net> Message-ID: On Oct 15, 2003, Joakim Ryden wrote: > On Wednesday 15 October 2003 11:48 am, Alexandre Oliva wrote: >> On Oct 15, 2003, Joakim Ryden wrote: >> > Show me a piece of software that could never cause security problems >> > and I will show you a very rich and famous programmer. :-) >> >> Microsoft Windows? >> >> Oh, wait! :-) :-) > I think you have 'famous' and 'infamous' mixed up. :-) Well, not really. I still remember when my parents' friends would come to me, back when I was a kid learning how to program computers, and joke I was going to be the next Bill Gates. Heck, I'm sure they somehow meant it in a good way :-) -- Alexandre Oliva Enjoy Guarana', see http://www.ic.unicamp.br/~oliva/ Red Hat GCC Developer aoliva@{redhat.com, gcc.gnu.org} CS PhD student at IC-Unicamp oliva@{lsd.ic.unicamp.br, gnu.org} Free Software Evangelist Professional serial bug killer From aoliva at redhat.com Wed Oct 15 21:20:02 2003 From: aoliva at redhat.com (Alexandre Oliva) Date: 15 Oct 2003 18:20:02 -0300 Subject: Anaconda Installer: Use of swap space on a multi-drive, multiboot system In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Oct 15, 2003, Tom Diehl wrote: > Well let me play devil's advocate and ask what are the downsides to having > it use/format a "linux swap partition" on another drive. Is there some other > potential use for it?? Ever heard of Plex86, VMware, clustered storage or any other cases in which multiple OSs may be simultaneously sharing a single (set of) disk(s)? -- Alexandre Oliva Enjoy Guarana', see http://www.ic.unicamp.br/~oliva/ Red Hat GCC Developer aoliva@{redhat.com, gcc.gnu.org} CS PhD student at IC-Unicamp oliva@{lsd.ic.unicamp.br, gnu.org} Free Software Evangelist Professional serial bug killer From alan at redhat.com Wed Oct 15 21:22:57 2003 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 17:22:57 -0400 (EDT) Subject: XFree86 available via yum In-Reply-To: from "Alexandre Oliva" at Hyd 15, 2003 06:13:04 Message-ID: <200310152122.h9FLMvA06264@devserv.devel.redhat.com> > Err... AFAIK ftp permits eve more pipelining than http, in that you > can use a single control connection to open multiple transfers in > parallel, whereas with http, since data and control connections are > the same, you can only get data for one file after the transfer of the > previous file is complete. Now on to figure out how many ftp clients > and servers actually take advantage of this fact :-) For ftp you can only issue a single command, then wait for the reply. It doesn't even permit you to issue user anonymous\r\npass whocares\r\ntype i\r\n ... as one string. From tdiehl at rogueind.com Wed Oct 15 21:24:12 2003 From: tdiehl at rogueind.com (Tom Diehl) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 17:24:12 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Anaconda Installer: Use of swap space on a multi-drive, multiboot system In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 15 Oct 2003, Alexandre Oliva wrote: > On Oct 15, 2003, Tom Diehl wrote: > > > Well let me play devil's advocate and ask what are the downsides to having > > it use/format a "linux swap partition" on another drive. Is there some other > > potential use for it?? > > Ever heard of Plex86, VMware, clustered storage or any other cases in > which multiple OSs may be simultaneously sharing a single (set of) > disk(s)? OK, but as I understand things anaconda will not touch those as they do not have a linux swap partition signature. Is this incorrect?? -- ......Tom Registered Linux User #14522 http://counter.li.org tdiehl at rogueind.com My current SpamTrap -------> mtd123 at rogueind.com From aoliva at redhat.com Wed Oct 15 21:36:00 2003 From: aoliva at redhat.com (Alexandre Oliva) Date: 15 Oct 2003 18:36:00 -0300 Subject: Anaconda Installer: Use of swap space on a multi-drive, multiboot system In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Oct 15, 2003, Tom Diehl wrote: > On 15 Oct 2003, Alexandre Oliva wrote: >> On Oct 15, 2003, Tom Diehl wrote: >> >> > Well let me play devil's advocate and ask what are the downsides to having >> > it use/format a "linux swap partition" on another drive. Is there some other >> > potential use for it?? >> >> Ever heard of Plex86, VMware, clustered storage or any other cases in >> which multiple OSs may be simultaneously sharing a single (set of) >> disk(s)? > OK, but as I understand things anaconda will not touch those as they do > not have a linux swap partition signature. Is this incorrect?? Why wouldn't a swap partition in used by another virtual machine not be marked as a swap partition? -- Alexandre Oliva Enjoy Guarana', see http://www.ic.unicamp.br/~oliva/ Red Hat GCC Developer aoliva@{redhat.com, gcc.gnu.org} CS PhD student at IC-Unicamp oliva@{lsd.ic.unicamp.br, gnu.org} Free Software Evangelist Professional serial bug killer From aoliva at redhat.com Wed Oct 15 21:37:40 2003 From: aoliva at redhat.com (Alexandre Oliva) Date: 15 Oct 2003 18:37:40 -0300 Subject: XFree86 available via yum In-Reply-To: <200310152122.h9FLMvA06264@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <200310152122.h9FLMvA06264@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: On Oct 15, 2003, Alan Cox wrote: > For ftp you can only issue a single command, then wait for the reply. But as soon as you got the connection data for one transfer, you may issue another command in the control channel. AFAIK. -- Alexandre Oliva Enjoy Guarana', see http://www.ic.unicamp.br/~oliva/ Red Hat GCC Developer aoliva@{redhat.com, gcc.gnu.org} CS PhD student at IC-Unicamp oliva@{lsd.ic.unicamp.br, gnu.org} Free Software Evangelist Professional serial bug killer From jwendel at fnmoc.navy.mil Wed Oct 15 21:49:23 2003 From: jwendel at fnmoc.navy.mil (John Wendel) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 14:49:23 -0700 Subject: Anaconda Installer: Use of swap space on a multi-drive, multiboot system In-Reply-To: References: <3F8DA237.7060409@speakeasy.net> Message-ID: <20031015144923.74f8995a.jwendel@fnmoc.navy.mil> On Wed, 15 Oct 2003 15:46:40 -0400 (EDT) -- Tom Diehl wrote: > Well let me play devil's advocate and ask what are the downsides to having > it use/format a "linux swap partition" on another drive. Is there some other > potential use for it?? > > -- > ......Tom Registered Linux User #14522 http://counter.li.org > tdiehl at rogueind.com My current SpamTrap -------> mtd123 at rogueind.com > Yes, software suspend stores stuff in the swap space. -- John Wendel From smearp at mac.com Wed Oct 15 21:48:06 2003 From: smearp at mac.com (Sean Earp) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 14:48:06 -0700 Subject: Anaconda bug on Fedora .95?? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <42589FCA-FF59-11D7-AFA0-000393C34F68@mac.com> On Wednesday, October 15, 2003, at 12:55 PM, Memphis Owns wrote: >> On Tue, 2003-10-14 at 07:27, Tim Whitbeck wrote: >> > I just got the isos for Test release 3 last night from >> > http://torrent.dulug.duke.edu/ >> > and I'm having problems with Anaconda. I have all packages >> available on >> > rawhide channel up2date and when anaconda says "searching for >> packages >> > to upgrade" it gets a big error and bombs out. Anyone else get >> this? >> > If not I'll save the bug output to a floppy and put it on bugzilla. >> I >> > thought this was a bug in Anaconda for release 2? >> >> My install went without a hitch. Did you test the CDs? I downloaded >> using Mozilla instead of bittorrent. >> >> Gerry > > I did download with BitTorrent, but I thought it didn't have any > problems with corruption? Anyways, that was my first idea, but the > media test verified the CD. So I don't think that was it. I did a > clean install anyways, and that worked beautifully, just thought I > would put that bug out in the open. I really should have got the > text... You are not the only one to experience that... it is bug in anaconda: (with a whole bunch of "Me Toos"): The anaconda update that is supposed to fix this problem (I haven't tried it yet,) is at: -Sean From paul at frields.com Wed Oct 15 21:55:03 2003 From: paul at frields.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 17:55:03 -0400 Subject: Services In-Reply-To: <200310151314.29414.jryden@thebox.our-own.net> References: <200310151307.07900.fedora@warmcat.com> <3F8DA71C.40B7D995@gmx.de> <200310151314.29414.jryden@thebox.our-own.net> Message-ID: <1066254903.9001.8.camel@bettie.internal.frields.org> On Wed, 2003-10-15 at 16:14, Joakim Ryden wrote: > On Wednesday 15 October 2003 12:59 pm, Martin Stricker wrote: > [...] > > I don't like to install anything that I don't really need - which is why > > I keep a very detailed kickstart file around... ;-)) Anyone who dislikes > > unnecessary software and services usually nows how to disable/uninstall > > them. It is not always easy to decide what software should be > > installed/started by default, but I think Red Hat does a good job here. > > I think the opposite is true as well. Think about the average user who doesn't > want a lot of cruft on his system--is he then to go into advanced package > selection mode and deselect stuff he has no clue about? Or start poking > around removing packages after installation breaking all sorts of things? > This is sort of hard because I think it's generally pretty much equally > difficult to know what to install versus what not to install. > > I definitely see the point of "better safe than sorry so let's install more > than less" but I'm not sure I agree with it. The "average user," in a global sense, is likely not (yet) using Linux. Those that do, e.g. my wife, generally will lend their trust to the default choices as being good ones, and will typically not mess with them. This "average user" is not concerned with the cruft issue, which is purely a geek concern -- s/he is concerned with operability, interconnectivity and feature richness. This user doesn't want to see messages popping up at every turn telling her/him that a feature is not available. The Linux user concerned with cruft is more of a power user, and given the DIY nature of Linux, should be willing to undertake a bit of study to figure out what can stand removal/installation and how to do it properly. I would opine that you can't eat your cake and have it too, to more correctly state the idiom -- those concerned with cruft are probably better off with Slackware, Gentoo, or even Debian. Red Hat's product has historically been more oriented toward "bringing people into the fold." It seems to me that given the delicate balancing act required between giving features to the novice, and reducing cruft for the anal-retentive geeks among us (and I'll count myself among them happily), the novices should win out. There are plenty of experts and sources of information available to help intrepid anti-crufters defeat their foe. -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Wed Oct 15 21:57:20 2003 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: 15 Oct 2003 17:57:20 -0400 Subject: yum & kernel updates (rawhide-2.4/arjanv-2.6) In-Reply-To: References: <1066241422.3818.20.camel@opus> Message-ID: <1066255040.3818.44.camel@opus> > [root at dreamcast root]# yum list kern* > Gathering header information file(s) from server(s) > Server: Red Hat Linux duke-rawhide - i386 - Base > Server: arjanv 2.6 Kernel > Finding updated packages > Downloading needed headers > Looking in Available Packages: > Name Arch Version Repo > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > kernel-BOOT i386 2.4.22-1.2093.nptl 2-duke-rawhide > kernel-debuginfo i386 2.6.0-0.test7.1.57 kernel-arjanv > kernel-debuginfo i686 2.6.0-0.test7.1.57 kernel-arjanv > kernel-debuginfo i586 2.6.0-0.test7.1.57 kernel-arjanv > kernel-doc i386 2.6.0-0.test7.1.57 kernel-arjanv > kernel-smp i586 2.6.0-0.test7.1.57 kernel-arjanv > kernel-smp i686 2.6.0-0.test7.1.57 kernel-arjanv > kernel-smp athlon 2.4.22-1.2093.nptl 2-duke-rawhide > kernel-smp-unsupported i586 2.6.0-0.test7.1.57 kernel-arjanv > kernel-smp-unsupported i686 2.6.0-0.test7.1.57 kernel-arjanv > kernel-source i386 2.6.0-0.test7.1.57 kernel-arjanv > kernel-unsupported i686 2.6.0-0.test7.1.57 kernel-arjanv > kernel-unsupported i586 2.6.0-0.test7.1.57 kernel-arjanv > > Looking in Installed Packages: > Name Arch Version Repo > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > kernel athlon 2.4.22-1.2088.nptl db > kernel-pcmcia-cs i386 1:3.1.31-13 db > kernel-utils i386 1:2.4-8.31 db > > [root at dreamcast root]# grep kernel-2.6 /var/cache/yum/kernel-arjanv/header.info > 0:kernel-2.6.0-0.test7.1.57.i686=RPMS.kernel/kernel-2.6.0-0.test7.1.57.i686.rpm > 0:kernel-2.6.0-0.test7.1.57.i586=RPMS.kernel/kernel-2.6.0-0.test7.1.57.i586.rpm > > The above 2 packages are not listed by 'yum list' unless I'm missing it - there is no kernel- 2.6.0.blahlbalahl athlon is there? yum will obey the exactarch=1 default in the yum.conf file -so unless there is a kernel.athlon rpm that is available and newer then it won't update to a different architecture. set exactarch=0 and you should get kernel-2.6.0 in there. -sv From laurent at guerby.net Wed Oct 15 21:59:31 2003 From: laurent at guerby.net (Laurent GUERBY) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 23:59:31 +0200 Subject: Install Additional Program / ISO on disk? Message-ID: <1066255170.7184.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hi, I installed test3 on my Inspiron laptop on a test partition without any particular problem do far (just a small caveat submitted as Bug 107219), the install method selected was ISO from disk. When I wanted to complete the installation, I used the Install Additional Program from the menu, but it seems that this tool works only with CD-ROM (it asked for insertion), did I miss an option to tell this tool to look at my on disk ISOs instead of requiring a CD? Thanks in advance, Laurent From jryden at thebox.our-own.net Wed Oct 15 22:05:49 2003 From: jryden at thebox.our-own.net (Joakim Ryden) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 15:05:49 -0700 Subject: Services In-Reply-To: <1066254903.9001.8.camel@bettie.internal.frields.org> References: <200310151314.29414.jryden@thebox.our-own.net> <1066254903.9001.8.camel@bettie.internal.frields.org> Message-ID: <200310151505.49995.jryden@thebox.our-own.net> On Wednesday 15 October 2003 02:55 pm, Paul W. Frields wrote: [...] > It seems to me that given the delicate balancing act required between > giving features to the novice, and reducing cruft for the anal-retentive > geeks among us (and I'll count myself among them happily), the novices > should win out. There are plenty of experts and sources of information > available to help intrepid anti-crufters defeat their foe. So where should the line be drawn? At the mood of the day? If the distribution is to give novice users features, then why not install/turn on more services? OK, this could get longish - I will make this my last post in this thread. :) --Jo From alan at redhat.com Wed Oct 15 22:14:23 2003 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 18:14:23 -0400 (EDT) Subject: XFree86 available via yum In-Reply-To: from "Alexandre Oliva" at Hyd 15, 2003 06:37:40 Message-ID: <200310152214.h9FMENu03235@devserv.devel.redhat.com> > On Oct 15, 2003, Alan Cox wrote: > > > For ftp you can only issue a single command, then wait for the reply. > > But as soon as you got the connection data for one transfer, you may > issue another command in the control channel. AFAIK. Which proves my point not yours ftp: Connections used = downloads +1 http: Connections used = downloads From ted at cypress.com Wed Oct 15 22:32:16 2003 From: ted at cypress.com (Thomas Dodd) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 17:32:16 -0500 Subject: XFree86 available via yum In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3F8DCAF0.7010907@cypress.com> Mike A. Harris wrote: > And rsync has even better access times. Perhaps we should > disable both ftp and http, and use rsync exclusively instead. > ;o) > As long as the damned firewall/proxy lets me through ;) -Thomas From shugal at gmx.de Wed Oct 15 22:36:13 2003 From: shugal at gmx.de (Martin Stricker) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 00:36:13 +0200 Subject: Services References: <200310151314.29414.jryden@thebox.our-own.net> <1066254903.9001.8.camel@bettie.internal.frields.org> <200310151505.49995.jryden@thebox.our-own.net> Message-ID: <3F8DCBDD.31AD4B90@gmx.de> Joakim Ryden wrote: > > On Wednesday 15 October 2003 02:55 pm, Paul W. Frields wrote: > [...] > > It seems to me that given the delicate balancing act required > > between giving features to the novice, and reducing cruft for the > > anal-retentive geeks among us (and I'll count myself among them > > happily), the novices should win out. There are plenty of experts > > and sources of information available to help intrepid anti-crufters > > defeat their foe. > > So where should the line be drawn? At the mood of the day? If the > distribution is to give novice users features, then why not > install/turn on more services? Red Hat has always been concerned about security - more than most of the other distros. One of the main reasons I choose Red Hat Linux. So the line should be (and IMHO is) drawn when installing/starting something by default is endangering the system's security. Best regards, Martin Stricker -- Homepage: http://www.martin-stricker.de/ Linux Migration Project: http://www.linux-migration.org/ Red Hat Linux 8.0 for low memory: http://www.rule-project.org/ Registered Linux user #210635: http://counter.li.org/ From vasil at ludost.net Wed Oct 15 22:43:48 2003 From: vasil at ludost.net (=?koi8-r?Q?=F7=C1=D3=C9=CC_=EB=CF=CC=C5=D7?=) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 01:43:48 +0300 Subject: How to mirror fedora? Message-ID: <1066257827.8196.12.camel@doom.home.ludost.net> Hello, I was asked to make a mirror of fedora in my country (Bulgaria). So i looked at the homepage, but couldn't find any instructions on how to do it. I asked on irc, and somebody told me to subscribe here,and ask...So I'm asking - how to mirror fedora?:) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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X files, sources are >>>>out there :-) >>>> >>>> >>>I don't understand your question, can you reword it? >>> >>> >>> >>he mean probably that with >> http://people.redhat.com/ >> you get since a few months no indexes "Options Indexes" >> >>but with >> ftp://people.redhat.com/ >> you can see all subdirectories >> >> will say "usernames" >>no problem. >> >>s/ftp/http/g >> >>ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris/ >>ftp://people.redhat.com/alan/ >> >>http://people.redhat.com/mharris/ >>http://people.redhat.com/alan/ >> >> > >I truely have no idea what this has to do with me providing >XFree86 via FTP and yum via FTP. > absolutely nothing because the_whole_world_knows_that_mike-a-harris_ prefers_ftp_ and you_can_find_his_stuff_under_ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris_ >Also, ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris and >http://people.redhat.com/mharris/ are completely different >protocols which will result in completely different files being >presented to the user. You can't just interchange ftp:// and >http:// and expect it to work. > i know, thanks :-( because your http-directory is your username http://people.redhat.com/~mharris/ >Perhaps I don't understand at all what you/he are trying to >ask/do/whatever. > > forget it and think about "how can somebody find the stuff for what he is looking at protocol://people.redhat.com/~$USER" eg. do you know harald hoyer ? how can i find his stuff ? what is his username ? does he prefers ftp or http ? via ftp but not http at people.redhat.com i could find his stuff because i don?t know his username. http://people.redhat.com/harald/ ftp://people.redhat.com/harald/ bye and end -- shrek-m From farrisg at mala.bc.ca Wed Oct 15 22:56:41 2003 From: farrisg at mala.bc.ca (George Farris) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 15:56:41 -0700 Subject: Services In-Reply-To: <3F8DCBDD.31AD4B90@gmx.de> References: <200310151314.29414.jryden@thebox.our-own.net> <1066254903.9001.8.camel@bettie.internal.frields.org> <200310151505.49995.jryden@thebox.our-own.net> <3F8DCBDD.31AD4B90@gmx.de> Message-ID: <1066258600.2544.40.camel@falcon.cc.mala.bc.ca> On Wed, 2003-10-15 at 15:36, Martin Stricker wrote: > Joakim Ryden wrote: > > > > On Wednesday 15 October 2003 02:55 pm, Paul W. Frields wrote: > > [...] > > > It seems to me that given the delicate balancing act required > > > between giving features to the novice, and reducing cruft for the > > > anal-retentive geeks among us (and I'll count myself among them > > > happily), the novices should win out. There are plenty of experts > > > and sources of information available to help intrepid anti-crufters > > > defeat their foe. > > > > So where should the line be drawn? At the mood of the day? If the > > distribution is to give novice users features, then why not > > install/turn on more services? > > Red Hat has always been concerned about security - more than most of the > other distros. One of the main reasons I choose Red Hat Linux. So the > line should be (and IMHO is) drawn when installing/starting something by > default is endangering the system's security. > No kidding... This is a no brainer people, security must always come first. > Best regards, > Martin Stricker -- George Farris farrisg at mala.bc.ca Malaspina University-College - Cowichan Campus From akabi at speakeasy.net Wed Oct 15 22:59:15 2003 From: akabi at speakeasy.net (ne...) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 18:59:15 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Grub and `other' OS In-Reply-To: <1066187638.5935.2.camel@keelie.tampabay.rr.com> References: <1066187638.5935.2.camel@keelie.tampabay.rr.com> Message-ID: On Oct 14, 2003 at 23:13, James Drabb in a soothing rage wrote: >On Tue, 2003-10-14 at 11:33, Harry Putnam wrote: [...] >> It gives examples of setting vga by appending to the root line like: >> >> kernel /vmlinuz root=/dev/hda1 vga=ask >> >> doing this and selectinbg various of those offered I see the selected >> size only lasts about 100 or so lines then the standard size >> re-emerges so that most of teh boot messages are in the standard size >> instead of what ever was selected. >> >> Anyone know what that is the case? This gets reset by something in /etc/rc.sysinit. It happened to me eons ago before I started using the method mentioned below. >You can get a better resolution by using your video cards frame buffer. > >From the file /usr/src/linux/Documentation/fb/vesafb.txt > > | 640x480 800x600 1024x768 1280x1024 >----+------------------------------------- >256 | 0x301 0x303 0x305 0x307 >32k | 0x310 0x313 0x316 0x319 >64k | 0x311 0x314 0x317 0x31A >16M | 0x312 0x315 0x318 0x31B > >Use one of these numbers instead of the ask value for vga. On my >laptop, I use 800x600 @ 64k by appending vga=0x314 to my kernel line >in grub.conf. I happen to have a Matrox G550 and in RH9 used append="video=matrox:vesa:447" in my /etc/lilo.conf. While using the 2.6-test kernels, this changed to 'video=matroxfb:vesa:447' in grub.conf. I now use vga=791 in FC Test 3 and have tried vga=447, vga=0x1BF and video=matrox:vesa:447 to no avail. I want to run my monitor at 1600x1200 at 32bpp or 24bpp. I'd really appreciate any help I can get for the correct parameter to pass to grub. TIA -- Registered Linux User # 125653 (http://counter.li.org) Switch to: http://www.speakeasy.net/refer/190653 A wife lasts only for the length of the marriage, but an ex-wife is there *for the rest of your life*. -- Jim Samuels 18:48:16 up 52 days, 6:22, 4 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 From JDrabb at tampabay.rr.com Wed Oct 15 23:01:11 2003 From: JDrabb at tampabay.rr.com (James Drabb) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 19:01:11 -0400 Subject: (no subject) In-Reply-To: <64371.63.161.116.194.1066236816@sun-qmail18.laserlink.net> References: <64371.63.161.116.194.1066236816@sun-qmail18.laserlink.net> Message-ID: <1066258871.5359.3.camel@keelie.tampabay.rr.com> On Wed, 2003-10-15 at 12:53, pjain001 at covad.net wrote: > Unfortunately, I don't have access to a sniffer but using netstat it does > look like it's hitting our proxy server on port 80. Not sure why it's not > getting out. If I change the source to use the up2date default, it gets > out but responds by telling me: > Error Message: > > Your account does not have access to any channels matching > (release='0.95', arch='i686-redhat-linux') > > > Thanks again! Make sure that /etc/yum.conf has fedora-release as the value for distroverpkg like so: distroverpkg=fedora-release Also you can use this from /etc/sysconfig/rhn/sources ### this describes the various package repos up2date will look into ### for packages. It currently supports apt-rpm repos, yum repos, ### and "dir" repos ### format is one repo entry per line, # starts comments, the ### first word on each line is the type of repo. ### the defalt rhn (using "default" as the url means ### use the one in the up2date config file ### This is required. #up2date default ### When a channel-label is required for the non up2date repo's, ### the label is soley used as an internal identifier and is not ### based on the url or any other info from the repo. ### an apt style repo, this time arjanv's 2.6 kernel repo ### format is: ### type channel-label service:server path repo name #apt arjan-2.6-kernel-i386 http://people.redhat.com ~arjanv/2.5/ kernel ### Note that for apt repos, there can be multiple repo names specificed ### space seperated. ### an yum style repo ### format: ### type channel-label url #yum fedora-$ARCH-os http://download.fedora.us/fedora/redhat/0.94/$ARCH/yum/os/ yum rawhide http://ftp.redhat.com/pub/redhat/linux/rawhide/ ### an local directory full of packages ### format#dir my-favorite-rpms-i386-9 /var/spool/RPMS/ # multiple versions of all repos except "up2date" can be used. Depenencies # can be resolved "cross-repo" if need be. Jim Drabb -- James Drabb Senior Programmer Analyst Davenport, FL USA From mharris at redhat.com Wed Oct 15 23:04:14 2003 From: mharris at redhat.com (Mike A. Harris) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 19:04:14 -0400 (EDT) Subject: redhat-config-xfree86 In-Reply-To: <200310151422.39731.czar@czarc.net> References: <200310151025.53935.czar@czarc.net> <200310151111.31353.czar@czarc.net> <3F8D8B9E.9050509@cypress.com> <200310151422.39731.czar@czarc.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 15 Oct 2003, Gene C. wrote: >Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 14:22:39 -0400 >From: Gene C. >To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com >Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" >List-Id: For testers of Red Hat Linux beta releases > >Subject: Re: redhat-config-xfree86 > >On Wednesday 15 October 2003 14:02, Thomas Dodd wrote: >> Or do you me a "Made by" board and no a "Powered by" board? >Sorry ... made by I wasn't going to be pedantic, but your correction made me decide to be pedantic anyway. ;o) It's "Built by ATI" and "Powered by ATI", not "made by". ;o) -- Mike A. Harris ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris OS Systems Engineer - XFree86 maintainer - Red Hat From mharris at redhat.com Wed Oct 15 23:11:18 2003 From: mharris at redhat.com (Mike A. Harris) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 19:11:18 -0400 (EDT) Subject: New extra packages and yum repository In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, 15 Oct 2003, Chris Ricker wrote: >> I'd like to see the RSS-GLX included in redhat, or at least one of the >> fedora servers.. I have seen rss-gls packages by at least one other >> person, and by Ximian too... >> >> > - rss-glx-0.7.6-1 (screen savers, need new ImageMagick packages from >> >> If we're going to ship screen savers, we may as well ship good ones... > >As a counter-argument, though, there are enough problems with the GL-based >xscreensaver savers crashing X servers already, without adding more eye >candy into the mix which'll do the same (and if you look in bugzilla, you'll >find there are already bug reports in there from RSS crashing X servers) I'm a bit mixed feeling about this. On one side, I'm kindof a bit curious as to wether the rss screensavers are 100% copyright clean, and comments on their website or in the source before triggered my legal warning alarm, although I have no idea what it was now as that was a year or more ago. Adding them would likely in some cases result in new crashes/hangs being found, so that's bad in one sense, but in another sense, it would make bugs more apparent, and those savers are more intensive than other GL screensavers we ship so it would be good test coverage IMHO. It's on my "things to investigate for future" list, in particular legal issues are #1. If I can be satisfied that no legal issues exist though, and bounce it off our legal dept, and experiment with the savers for a while, I can probably be convinced to make a case for us to included them at some point. -- Mike A. Harris ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris OS Systems Engineer - XFree86 maintainer - Red Hat From mharris at redhat.com Wed Oct 15 23:12:19 2003 From: mharris at redhat.com (Mike A. Harris) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 19:12:19 -0400 (EDT) Subject: New extra packages and yum repository In-Reply-To: <1066249246.12279.38.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1066249246.12279.38.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On Wed, 15 Oct 2003, Ed Hill wrote: >Note that this is a fairly common scenario. > >Please do one or more of the following: > > 1) turn off OpenGL screensavers by default > > 2) warn users about the above when they explicitly turn on > OpenGL screen savers I agree with you completely. Feel free to file an RFE against xscreensaver, and cc me on it. -- Mike A. Harris ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris OS Systems Engineer - XFree86 maintainer - Red Hat From mharris at redhat.com Wed Oct 15 23:16:04 2003 From: mharris at redhat.com (Mike A. Harris) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 19:16:04 -0400 (EDT) Subject: freeglut-1.3 In-Reply-To: <1066252266.2104.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1066252266.2104.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On Wed, 15 Oct 2003, MWB wrote: >In FC we have freeglut-1.3, I think that >should be upgraded to 2.0. >I heve compiled 2.0 without any troube (FC test 2 and 3) >but yumming is easier than compiling. > >I there any chance? That was my goal all along, however the freeglut developer's comments that "2.0.0 will be released in 1 month" turned into 3 or 4 months, and missed all our betas. I'm currently extremely busy with numerous things and while I really wanted to update freeglut, I'm afraid it's far too late now unfortunately. I plan on making it available sometime via yum/ftp though, and possibly releasing enhancement erratum when the time comes. -- Mike A. Harris ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris OS Systems Engineer - XFree86 maintainer - Red Hat From nosp at xades.com Wed Oct 15 23:26:59 2003 From: nosp at xades.com (nosp) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 00:26:59 +0100 Subject: gaim thrashing box after about 1hr? In-Reply-To: <3F8D7035.1020902@redhat.com> References: <1066140460.2022.28.camel@earth.xades.com> <3F8C13B3.7060107@redhat.com> <1066145655.2022.37.camel@earth.xades.com> <3F8C2FEF.9080906@redhat.com> <1066175987.8673.1.camel@earth.xades.com> <3F8D7035.1020902@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1066260419.13564.13.camel@earth.xades.com> On Wed, 2003-10-15 at 17:05, Christopher Blizzard wrote: > Need to find out what's causing it. Do you know how to attach a > debugger to a process? Certainly. I'll get a backtrace for you and let me know what else can be of help. From cochranb at speakeasy.net Wed Oct 15 23:27:30 2003 From: cochranb at speakeasy.net (Robert L Cochran) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 19:27:30 -0400 Subject: Anaconda Installer: Use of swap space on a multi-drive, multiboot system In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3F8DD7E2.3070506@speakeasy.net> I myself can't think of anything off the top of my head other than I do not want an OS' installer to mess with other drives on a system. There just isn't a good reason for destroying the contents of another drive's partitions. That is what anaconda is doing here. Bob Tom Diehl wrote: > On Wed, 15 Oct 2003, Robert L Cochran wrote: > > >>If the user specifies an allowable hard drive in a multi-drive machine, >>you should only use the allowed drive as the source of a swap partition. >>Speaking for myself, I don't want the installer to mess with my other >>drives unless I explicitly allow that. >> >>I have not yet been given a single good reason for the installer to >>format a swap partition on another drive, either. > > > Well let me play devil's advocate and ask what are the downsides to having > it use/format a "linux swap partition" on another drive. Is there some other > potential use for it?? > -- Bob Cochran Greenbelt, Maryland, USA http://greenbeltcomputer.biz/ From paul.morgan at jumanjihouse.com Wed Oct 15 23:48:53 2003 From: paul.morgan at jumanjihouse.com (Paul Morgan) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 18:48:53 -0500 Subject: Performance testing (pass 1) In-Reply-To: <20030929204229.B8929@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <3F75BE7B.7060803@farorbit.com> <20030929204229.B8929@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1066261733.5320.49.camel@vaio.jumanjihouse.com> On Mon, 2003-09-29 at 19:42, Michael K. Johnson wrote: > On Sat, Sep 27, 2003 at 11:44:43AM -0500, stephan schutter wrote: > > really? I did not know this... The install is not fresh, but I have not > > left it on over night... > > As root, you can run /etc/cron.daily/prelink and your system will > be prelinked. Quite surprisingly, gnome-panel was crashing upon login this morning on my fully-updated-left-on-overnight-but-rebooted-to-go-to-the-office laptop. During troubleshooting, `rpm -V libwnck` and `rpm -V gnome-panel` reported that one or more dependencies had changed since the most recent pre-linking, so I ran /etc/cron.daily/prelink to no improvement. I then ran prelink -all, which promptly corrected the behavior. Anybody else? From kaboom at gatech.edu Wed Oct 15 23:56:05 2003 From: kaboom at gatech.edu (Chris Ricker) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 19:56:05 -0400 (EDT) Subject: New extra packages and yum repository In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, 15 Oct 2003, Mike A. Harris wrote: > I'm a bit mixed feeling about this. On one side, I'm kindof a > bit curious as to wether the rss screensavers are 100% copyright > clean, and comments on their website or in the source before > triggered my legal warning alarm, although I have no idea what it > was now as that was a year or more ago. Speaking of which, I'm a little curious about Berkeley Systems's reaction (though maybe they're out of business by now?) to the Flying Toasters screen saver in xscreensaver these days.... later, chris From sflory at rackable.com Wed Oct 15 23:55:53 2003 From: sflory at rackable.com (Samuel Flory) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 16:55:53 -0700 Subject: How to mirror fedora? In-Reply-To: <1066257827.8196.12.camel@doom.home.ludost.net> References: <1066257827.8196.12.camel@doom.home.ludost.net> Message-ID: <3F8DDE89.30209@rackable.com> ????? ????? wrote: > Hello, > I was asked to make a mirror of fedora in my country (Bulgaria). So i > looked at the homepage, but couldn't find any instructions on how to do > it. I asked on irc, and somebody told me to subscribe here,and ask...So > I'm asking - how to mirror fedora?:) http://www.fedora.us/wiki/FedoraMirrorHOWTO -- Once you have their hardware. Never give it back. (The First Rule of Hardware Acquisition) Sam Flory From aoliva at redhat.com Thu Oct 16 00:24:36 2003 From: aoliva at redhat.com (Alexandre Oliva) Date: 15 Oct 2003 21:24:36 -0300 Subject: XFree86 available via yum In-Reply-To: <200310152214.h9FMENu03235@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <200310152214.h9FMENu03235@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: On Oct 15, 2003, Alan Cox wrote: >> On Oct 15, 2003, Alan Cox wrote: >> >> > For ftp you can only issue a single command, then wait for the reply. >> But as soon as you got the connection data for one transfer, you may >> issue another command in the control channel. AFAIK. > Which proves my point not yours Err... We were not debating the number of connections, but pipelining, which I understand as the ability to request an additional transmission through an open control connection while one is already underway, to avoid a whole round-trip latency between the completion of one transmission and the beginning of another. Sure enough, ftp is not as efficient as http in terms of the number of connections nor the latency of each request, but my point is that it can do pipelining, in that you can issue other requests before one transmission is complete. -- Alexandre Oliva Enjoy Guarana', see http://www.ic.unicamp.br/~oliva/ Red Hat GCC Developer aoliva@{redhat.com, gcc.gnu.org} CS PhD student at IC-Unicamp oliva@{lsd.ic.unicamp.br, gnu.org} Free Software Evangelist Professional serial bug killer From bcs at metacon.ca Thu Oct 16 00:27:53 2003 From: bcs at metacon.ca (Ben Steeves) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 21:27:53 -0300 Subject: Performance testing (pass 1) In-Reply-To: <1066261733.5320.49.camel@vaio.jumanjihouse.com> References: <3F75BE7B.7060803@farorbit.com> <20030929204229.B8929@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1066261733.5320.49.camel@vaio.jumanjihouse.com> Message-ID: <1066264005.9457.1.camel@zephyr> On Wed, 2003-10-15 at 20:48, Paul Morgan wrote: > On Mon, 2003-09-29 at 19:42, Michael K. Johnson wrote: > > On Sat, Sep 27, 2003 at 11:44:43AM -0500, stephan schutter wrote: > > > really? I did not know this... The install is not fresh, but I have not > > > left it on over night... > > > > As root, you can run /etc/cron.daily/prelink and your system will > > be prelinked. > > Quite surprisingly, gnome-panel was crashing upon login this morning on > my fully-updated-left-on-overnight-but-rebooted-to-go-to-the-office > laptop. During troubleshooting, `rpm -V libwnck` and `rpm -V > gnome-panel` reported that one or more dependencies had changed since > the most recent pre-linking, so I ran /etc/cron.daily/prelink to no > improvement. I then ran prelink -all, which promptly corrected the > behavior. Anybody else? Yup. Me. I filed it as bug #107207 prior to reading this message, and just now added an update saying that prelink -a fixed it. I left the bug as new 'cos I don't know if it's a package bug or what. -- Ben Steeves _ bcs at metacon.ca The ASCII ribbon campaign ( ) ben.steeves at unb.ca against HTML e-mail X GPG ID: 0xB3EBF1D9 http://www.metacon.ca/ascii / \ Yahoo Messenger: ben_steeves From aoliva at redhat.com Thu Oct 16 00:28:27 2003 From: aoliva at redhat.com (Alexandre Oliva) Date: 15 Oct 2003 21:28:27 -0300 Subject: Anaconda Installer: Use of swap space on a multi-drive, multiboot system In-Reply-To: <3F8DD7E2.3070506@speakeasy.net> References: <3F8DD7E2.3070506@speakeasy.net> Message-ID: On Oct 15, 2003, Robert L Cochran wrote: > I myself can't think of anything off the top of my head other than I > do not want an OS' installer to mess with other drives on a > system. The assumption that one installation means one hard disk is not very common. If you have more than one disk on the same machine, it will perform better of you keep different features in different disks, than keeping root and swap on the same disk. > That is what anaconda is doing here. Agreed. There should be a way to disable this, just like there is a way to tell Anaconda to not format and to not even use other filesystem types. -- Alexandre Oliva Enjoy Guarana', see http://www.ic.unicamp.br/~oliva/ Red Hat GCC Developer aoliva@{redhat.com, gcc.gnu.org} CS PhD student at IC-Unicamp oliva@{lsd.ic.unicamp.br, gnu.org} Free Software Evangelist Professional serial bug killer From veillard at redhat.com Thu Oct 16 00:30:16 2003 From: veillard at redhat.com (Daniel Veillard) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 20:30:16 -0400 Subject: Yum'ification of the rhn_applet In-Reply-To: ; from linuxnow@newtral.org on Wed, Oct 15, 2003 at 04:22:17PM +0200 References: <20031015083550.D16905@redhat.com> Message-ID: <20031015203016.V16905@redhat.com> On Wed, Oct 15, 2003 at 04:22:17PM +0200, Pau Aliagas wrote: > On Wed, 15 Oct 2003, Daniel Veillard wrote: > > > I have just released an updated version of rhn_applet which > > should work better for the Fedora framework: > > - handle Yum repositories > > - handle multiple repositories > > - does not require RHN registration > > I'd love it to be apt'fied :) Should I file a RFE? Far more complex to do. You can file it but it will be low priority (and I'm really busy with libxml2 maintainance right now). Daniel -- Daniel Veillard | Red Hat Network https://rhn.redhat.com/ veillard at redhat.com | libxml GNOME XML XSLT toolkit http://xmlsoft.org/ http://veillard.com/ | Rpmfind RPM search engine http://rpmfind.net/ From veillard at redhat.com Thu Oct 16 00:31:38 2003 From: veillard at redhat.com (Daniel Veillard) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 20:31:38 -0400 Subject: Yum'ification of the rhn_applet In-Reply-To: <3F8D68AE.3010206@draigBrady.com>; from P@draigBrady.com on Wed, Oct 15, 2003 at 04:33:02PM +0100 References: <20031015083550.D16905@redhat.com> <3F8D68AE.3010206@draigBrady.com> Message-ID: <20031015203138.W16905@redhat.com> On Wed, Oct 15, 2003 at 04:33:02PM +0100, P at draigBrady.com wrote: > Daniel Veillard wrote: > > I have just released an updated version of rhn_applet which > > should work better for the Fedora framework: > > - handle Yum repositories > > - handle multiple repositories > > - does not require RHN registration > > > > You can find it at: > > http://people.redhat.com/~veillard/testing/yum/rhn-applet/2.1.0/ > > But does up2date work with yum? yes for recent versions. > I updated rh9 with the latest up2date from rawhide and rhn-applet from > above, but up2date seems to hang on the first RPM header with the > following as my only source? > > yum fedora-i386-os > http://download.fedora.us/fedora/redhat/0.95/i386/yum/os/ Hum, I upgraded my fedora core0.95 to rawhide with up2date this morning without troubles. Daniel -- Daniel Veillard | Red Hat Network https://rhn.redhat.com/ veillard at redhat.com | libxml GNOME XML XSLT toolkit http://xmlsoft.org/ http://veillard.com/ | Rpmfind RPM search engine http://rpmfind.net/ From paul at frields.com Thu Oct 16 01:09:43 2003 From: paul at frields.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 21:09:43 -0400 Subject: Services In-Reply-To: <1066258600.2544.40.camel@falcon.cc.mala.bc.ca> References: <200310151314.29414.jryden@thebox.our-own.net> <1066254903.9001.8.camel@bettie.internal.frields.org> <200310151505.49995.jryden@thebox.our-own.net> <3F8DCBDD.31AD4B90@gmx.de> <1066258600.2544.40.camel@falcon.cc.mala.bc.ca> Message-ID: <1066266583.3266.2.camel@bettie.internal.frields.org> On Wed, 2003-10-15 at 18:56, George Farris wrote: > > > > It seems to me that given the delicate balancing act required > > > > between giving features to the novice, and reducing cruft for the > > > > anal-retentive geeks among us (and I'll count myself among them > > > > happily), the novices should win out. There are plenty of experts > > > > and sources of information available to help intrepid anti-crufters > > > > defeat their foe. > > > > > > So where should the line be drawn? At the mood of the day? If the > > > distribution is to give novice users features, then why not > > > install/turn on more services? > > > > Red Hat has always been concerned about security - more than most of the > > other distros. One of the main reasons I choose Red Hat Linux. So the > > line should be (and IMHO is) drawn when installing/starting something by > > default is endangering the system's security. > > > No kidding... This is a no brainer people, security must always come > first. Just in case anyone drew some weird inference, I'm in agreement with this. Features do not have to (and should not) equal insecurity. -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE From grant at tuins.ac.jp Thu Oct 16 01:33:29 2003 From: grant at tuins.ac.jp (rg) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 10:33:29 +0900 Subject: font icons In-Reply-To: <1066266583.3266.2.camel@bettie.internal.frields.org> References: <200310151314.29414.jryden@thebox.our-own.net> <1066254903.9001.8.camel@bettie.internal.frields.org> <200310151505.49995.jryden@thebox.our-own.net> <3F8DCBDD.31AD4B90@gmx.de> <1066258600.2544.40.camel@falcon.cc.mala.bc.ca> <1066266583.3266.2.camel@bettie.internal.frields.org> Message-ID: <3F8DF569.4080705@tuins.ac.jp> Font icons ( I mean the 2-character previews), do not appear in Nautilus windows - just the generic Bluecurve and, in a few cases, GNOME icons. The font preview icons are there in RH9 and Fedora test 1, but gone in test 2 and 3. Hope this is just a bug, as the font previews are very handy - and decidedly cool. rg From christoph.wickert at web.de Thu Oct 16 01:47:25 2003 From: christoph.wickert at web.de (Christoph Wickert) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 03:47:25 +0200 Subject: Grub and `other' OS In-Reply-To: References: <1066187638.5935.2.camel@keelie.tampabay.rr.com> Message-ID: <3F8DF8AD.3000302@web.de> ne... schrieb: >On Oct 14, 2003 at 23:13, James Drabb in a soothing rage wrote: > > > >>On Tue, 2003-10-14 at 11:33, Harry Putnam wrote: >> >> >[...] > > > >>>It gives examples of setting vga by appending to the root line like: >>> >>> kernel /vmlinuz root=/dev/hda1 vga=ask >>> >>>doing this and selectinbg various of those offered I see the selected >>>size only lasts about 100 or so lines then the standard size >>>re-emerges so that most of teh boot messages are in the standard size >>>instead of what ever was selected. >>> >>>Anyone know what that is the case? >>> >>> >This gets reset by something in /etc/rc.sysinit. It happened >to me eons ago before I started using the method mentioned >below. > /etc/sysconfig/init, there's something about "colums", set to ~120 Christoph -- "Wenn zu perfekt - Gott b?se." Nam June Paik _______________________________ Christoph Wickert mailto:christoph.wickert at web.de From bobs at lingpgmr.com Thu Oct 16 02:40:54 2003 From: bobs at lingpgmr.com (Robert L Cochran) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 22:40:54 -0400 Subject: Evolution Doesn't Delete Trash In-Reply-To: <1066244759.10429.9.camel@mirkwood.devel.redhat.com> References: <3F8CA130.9080200@speakeasy.net> <1066244759.10429.9.camel@mirkwood.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1066272053.2812.1.camel@bobc.lingpgmr.com> Thanks for setting me straight. I knew I had to do this in Evolution 1.2, but thought it was not needed in 1.4 because the messages disappeared when you highlighted them in a folder and then clicked the trash can icon. Bob On Wed, 2003-10-15 at 15:05, Jeremy Katz wrote: > On Tue, 2003-10-14 at 21:21, Robert L Cochran wrote: > > If you set up Evolution with a standard unix mbox type of mail account, > > and check off the option for emptying trash folders on exit, it does not > > in fact delete the trash folder for the mbox account. Is there a fix for > > this? > > Delete just marks deleted, you have to expunge (Ctrl+E) to actually > remove the messages (or turn on emptying the trash on exit) > > Cheers, > > Jeremy > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list -- Bob Cochran Greenbelt, Maryland, USA http://www.greenbeltcomputer.biz/ From redhat-jc at insight.rr.com Thu Oct 16 02:41:40 2003 From: redhat-jc at insight.rr.com (Jim Cornette) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 22:41:40 -0400 Subject: Problems with the Add/Remove package tool In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3F8E0564.6040807@insight.rr.com> Stuart B wrote: > Hi All: > > I can't seem to get the add/remove package tool to work at all. Every > time I try adding a new package it simply informs me to insert cd1 or > cd2 or whatever which I then do... and then it reads the cd... and goes > back to prompting me to insert the cd again. In short I can't install > anything via the redhat package tool. > > This is what I'm running: > > * AMD Baston 2500+ *ASUS A7N8X* 512MB Samsung PC3200 > * Gainward Geforce 3 Ti200 * Antec 800 Case w/ 430w True Power * > Maxtor 60GB D740X-6L > * Pioneer 16x DVD Slot Load * Lite-on 40x12x48x Burner * Thermalright > AX7 w/ Sunon 43cfm > * Sound Storm* ACS56 Surround Sound * Viewsonic G90FB Monitor > > Are there any workarounds this bug yet? I tried using bugzilla but it > drove me half mad trying to make a bug report. > I used nautilus to browse the CD's. After finding the wanted item, I opened it and redhat-config-packages asked for a password. After that, it installed the programs without error. I wanted lynx (CD1) and mc (CD3). Both installed through launching through the file manager. The same symptom was encountered with put disc 1 in drive. (Bug filed). I only tried once, then shot through to the file manager method. Jim -- Software uses US measurements, but the OS is in metric... From erqu0001 at d.umn.edu Thu Oct 16 02:50:30 2003 From: erqu0001 at d.umn.edu (Santiago Erquicia) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 21:50:30 -0500 Subject: Gnumeric Help Message-ID: <1066272630.3776.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> I'm trying to open the gnumeric's help. I have two spreadsheets opened. If I do that from the first one, it opens (slowly). If I try to open the help from the second one, it doesn't open. Can anyone check this? If someone verifies it I'm going to add it to bugzilla. Thanks From notting at redhat.com Thu Oct 16 02:51:18 2003 From: notting at redhat.com (Bill Nottingham) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 22:51:18 -0400 Subject: (no subject) In-Reply-To: <64371.63.161.116.194.1066236816@sun-qmail18.laserlink.net>; from pjain001@covad.net on Wed, Oct 15, 2003 at 12:53:36PM -0400 References: <64371.63.161.116.194.1066236816@sun-qmail18.laserlink.net> Message-ID: <20031015225118.E20266@devserv.devel.redhat.com> pjain001 at covad.net (pjain001 at covad.net) said: > Unfortunately, I don't have access to a sniffer but using netstat it does > look like it's hitting our proxy server on port 80. Are there a large number of users behind said proxy server who might be trying to update? Bill From notting at redhat.com Thu Oct 16 02:52:44 2003 From: notting at redhat.com (Bill Nottingham) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 22:52:44 -0400 Subject: Open Office 1.1.0 i18n In-Reply-To: <1066241220.5343.2.camel@antares>; from monkiki5@terra.es on Wed, Oct 15, 2003 at 08:39:09PM +0200 References: <1066241220.5343.2.camel@antares> Message-ID: <20031015225244.F20266@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Paco Avila (monkiki5 at terra.es) said: > In previous version of OpenOffice it was installed correctly in spanish. > In this new version the spanish support seems to be removed. Is this > true? There's a bug in bugzilla already about some i18n (not Spanish) going missing. This is probably related, though.... Bill From jbinpg at shaw.ca Thu Oct 16 02:53:07 2003 From: jbinpg at shaw.ca (Jack Bowling) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 19:53:07 -0700 Subject: Fedora Graphic Boot process In-Reply-To: References: <1066154389.5671.11.camel@blue.comcast.net> Message-ID: <20031016025307.GA20591@nonesuch.ca.shawcable.net> On Wed, Oct 15, 2003 at 03:55:33PM -0400, Noah Silva [Mailing list] wrote: > > > On Tue, 14 Oct 2003, Clifford Snow wrote: > > > I know this is picky. Let's face it, how often do we really need to > > reboot? > > One of my [BSD user] friends said this to me too. But the more we got > non-traditional unix users onto linux, the more stuff like this will > matter. > > > BTW - I'm not even too sure that I like the graphical boot. I noticed > > today that one of my services failed. Since it was the NTPD I probably > > wouldn't have noticed if I hadn't clicked on details. Quite honestly, as long as the nogui switch is available to the bootloader I really couldn't care what you do with the gui boot :-)) -- Jack Bowling mailto: jbinpg at shaw.ca From elwoo at videotron.ca Thu Oct 16 01:51:48 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 21:51:48 -0400 Subject: Performance testing (pass 1) In-Reply-To: <1066261733.5320.49.camel@vaio.jumanjihouse.com> References: <20030929204229.B8929@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1066261733.5320.49.camel@vaio.jumanjihouse.com> Message-ID: <200310152151.48238.elwoo@videotron.ca> On October 15, 2003 07:48 pm, Paul Morgan , > wrote: > Quite surprisingly, gnome-panel was crashing upon login this morning on > my fully-updated-left-on-overnight-but-rebooted-to-go-to-the-office > laptop. During troubleshooting, `rpm -V libwnck` and `rpm -V > gnome-panel` reported that one or more dependencies had changed since > the most recent pre-linking, so I ran /etc/cron.daily/prelink to no > improvement. I then ran prelink -all, which promptly corrected the > behavior. Anybody else? I was installing some packages, and had logged out from Gnome. Logged into KDE, and thereafter back into Gnome. At that time (several hours ago) the Gnome panel crashed (missing almost all icons). As I had to go out, I shut down the machine, and lo and behold! ... on my return I booted into Gnome with the previous panel (including some applets I had added). Elton ;-) -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From elwoo at videotron.ca Thu Oct 16 02:55:22 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 22:55:22 -0400 Subject: Problems with the Add/Remove package tool In-Reply-To: <3F8E0564.6040807@insight.rr.com> References: <3F8E0564.6040807@insight.rr.com> Message-ID: <200310152255.22897.elwoo@videotron.ca> On October 15, 2003 10:41 pm, Jim Cornette , > wrote: > Stuart B wrote: > > Hi All: > > > > I can't seem to get the add/remove package tool to work at all. Every > > Are there any workarounds this bug yet? I tried using bugzilla but it > > drove me half mad trying to make a bug report. It's a known bug with redhat-config-packages. See: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=100445 Elton ;-) -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From notting at redhat.com Thu Oct 16 02:57:55 2003 From: notting at redhat.com (Bill Nottingham) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 22:57:55 -0400 Subject: New extra packages and yum repository In-Reply-To: ; from nsilva-list@aoi.atari-source.com on Wed, Oct 15, 2003 at 04:04:05PM -0400 References: <1066147414.4511.36.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20031015225755.H20266@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Noah Silva [Mailing list] (nsilva-list at aoi.atari-source.com) said: > > - rss-glx-0.7.6-1 (screen savers, need new ImageMagick packages from > > If we're going to ship screen savers, we may as well ship good ones... Whatever is wrong with bouncing cows? There is an open RFE for this alreday in bugzilla, although ImageMagick is a somewhat large dep for a screensaver... Bill From monty19 at hotmail.com Thu Oct 16 03:04:24 2003 From: monty19 at hotmail.com (Jason) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 23:04:24 -0400 Subject: up2date -p with yum Message-ID: What is the equivelant of up2date -p when using in conjunction with yum. It spits out a message something about not having an online profile when using yum (sorry im not in front of the system, I can get it if necessary) Long story short when I run up2date it keeps trying to download packages because it believes I have outdated versions installed and then fails to install them because I already have current versions installed. up2date -p doesn't fix it (for the obvious reason mentioned about), but wondering what the equivelant action is. Thank you, Jason From jbinpg at shaw.ca Thu Oct 16 03:08:46 2003 From: jbinpg at shaw.ca (Jack Bowling) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 20:08:46 -0700 Subject: Services In-Reply-To: <200310151314.29414.jryden@thebox.our-own.net> References: <200310151307.07900.fedora@warmcat.com> <3F8DA71C.40B7D995@gmx.de> <200310151314.29414.jryden@thebox.our-own.net> Message-ID: <20031016030846.GB20591@nonesuch.ca.shawcable.net> On Wed, Oct 15, 2003 at 01:14:29PM -0700, Joakim Ryden wrote: > On Wednesday 15 October 2003 12:59 pm, Martin Stricker wrote: > [...] > > I don't like to install anything that I don't really need - which is why > > I keep a very detailed kickstart file around... ;-)) Anyone who dislikes > > unnecessary software and services usually nows how to disable/uninstall > > them. It is not always easy to decide what software should be > > installed/started by default, but I think Red Hat does a good job here. > > I think the opposite is true as well. Think about the average user who doesn't > want a lot of cruft on his system--is he then to go into advanced package > selection mode and deselect stuff he has no clue about? Or start poking > around removing packages after installation breaking all sorts of things? > This is sort of hard because I think it's generally pretty much equally > difficult to know what to install versus what not to install. I don't want to speak for RH but I am sure their response would be something like "joe average user doesn't know what the hell he/she wants so how would he/she know there is cruft there anyway". > I definitely see the point of "better safe than sorry so let's install more > than less" but I'm not sure I agree with it. I've given up whining about this and just ensure that the first thing I do is nuke all the unnecessary services across all pertinent runlevels as my first order of business after a RH install. Call me anal but it is tantamount to the difference in the size of a roll-your-own kernel and a default RH kernel. Speaks volumes. -- Jack Bowling mailto: jbinpg at shaw.ca From balay at fastmail.fm Thu Oct 16 03:10:34 2003 From: balay at fastmail.fm (Satish Balay) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 22:10:34 -0500 (CDT) Subject: yum & kernel updates (rawhide-2.4/arjanv-2.6) In-Reply-To: <1066255040.3818.44.camel@opus> References: <1066241422.3818.20.camel@opus> <1066255040.3818.44.camel@opus> Message-ID: On Wed, 15 Oct 2003, seth vidal wrote: > > > > [root at dreamcast root]# grep kernel-2.6 /var/cache/yum/kernel-arjanv/header.info > > 0:kernel-2.6.0-0.test7.1.57.i686=RPMS.kernel/kernel-2.6.0-0.test7.1.57.i686.rpm > > 0:kernel-2.6.0-0.test7.1.57.i586=RPMS.kernel/kernel-2.6.0-0.test7.1.57.i586.rpm > > > > The above 2 packages are not listed by 'yum list' > > unless I'm missing it - there is no kernel- 2.6.0.blahlbalahl athlon is > there? > > yum will obey the exactarch=1 default in the yum.conf file -so unless > there is a kernel.athlon rpm that is available and newer then it won't > update to a different architecture. > > set exactarch=0 and you should get kernel-2.6.0 in there. Yes this appears to be the case. Changing 'exactarch' picks up the i686 2.6 kernel. Thanks, Satish From jgeorgeson at lopht.net Thu Oct 16 03:10:56 2003 From: jgeorgeson at lopht.net (Justin Georgeson) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 22:10:56 -0500 Subject: up2date -p with yum In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3F8E0C40.6030206@lopht.net> Jason wrote: > What is the equivelant of up2date -p when using in conjunction with yum. It > spits out a message something about not having an online profile when using > yum (sorry im not in front of the system, I can get it if necessary) there is none. yum is pretty much stateless in this respect. I looks at the repo, and compares what's there with what you have installed on-the-fly. > Long story short when I run up2date it keeps trying to download packages > because it believes I have outdated versions installed and then fails to > install them because I already have current versions installed. up2date -p > doesn't fix it (for the obvious reason mentioned about), but wondering what > the equivelant action is. not sure on this one other than to say there have been a few threads of people saying it installs multiple versions of the same software. You might look at 'up2date --configure' for relevant options. Have a look in the archives for the recent threads. From redhat-jc at insight.rr.com Thu Oct 16 03:21:57 2003 From: redhat-jc at insight.rr.com (Jim Cornette) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 23:21:57 -0400 Subject: Question about dual-booting two versions of RedHat In-Reply-To: <1066222951.1584.32.camel@chastain> References: <1066222951.1584.32.camel@chastain> Message-ID: <3F8E0ED5.7090704@insight.rr.com> Terry R Linhardt wrote: > I have a large disk drive with ample space. I've decided I would like to > install two versions of RedHat. One would be a "production" version, the > other a "test" version. > > The documentation I've seen talks about Linux co-existing in a dual boot > with some version of Windows. > > I've installed the "first" version of Linux in the first 25 GB of disk > space. Do I install the "2nd" version in a similar manner?...that is, > using a custom install and then selecting the unused portion of the > drive to install the 2nd version? GRUB will see the two installs and > allow me to select which one to boot? > > In a sense, this all seems fairly easy...is it pretty straight-forward? > > By-the-way, initial impressions of the latest Beta are quite favorable. > That is, the overall interface is quite nice! > > Thanks...Terry I have two different versions of RHL/Fedora on two seperate drives. As indicated, I have two boot drives. Each boot drive was automaticall labeled by the new installation to be /boot1 (instead of /boot), /1 (instead of /) - I selected the mounting points for my existing installation and the installer did the rest of the work with labeling drives, etc. The main advantage of running two seperate boot partitions is that grub will be available for both installations, seperately, no interactions. You will have grub installed on both boot drives. The grub.conf files will be unique. I open up gedit and edit each with the latest information manually. (Cut from one, add to the other, as changes take effect.) This method works also for different distros to co-exist. Here is my /etc/fstab for one of my systems. Notice the labels and partition mounting schemes. Below that is a sample of my grub file for the active boot loader. Originally grub was active on /dev/hdb windows was on HDA. When I wiped windows off my drive and installed another version of linux (RHL 7.3), hda became the active grub boot partition. Then when I did a fresh install on the hdb drive, the active grub switched back to hdb. An upgrade leaves the active grub partition untouched. Anyway, this is my scheme for dual booting. I never tried with one shared boot partition. I don't know if there is collisions between the two installs or not. Jim [jim at local jim]$ cat /etc/fstab LABEL=/1 / ext3 defaults 1 1 LABEL=/boot1 /boot ext3 defaults 1 2 none /dev/pts devpts gid=5,mode=620 0 0 none /proc proc defaults 0 0 none /dev/shm tmpfs defaults 0 0 LABEL=/ /rh9 ext3 defaults 1 2 LABEL=/boot /rh9boot ext3 defaults 1 2 LABEL=/home /rh9home ext3 defaults 1 2 /dev/hdb4 swap swap defaults 0 0 /dev/cdrom /mnt/cdrom udf,iso9660 noauto,owner,kudzu,ro 0 0 /dev/fd0 /mnt/floppy auto noauto,owner,kudzu 0 0 /dev/sda1 /mnt/flash auto noauto,owner,kudzu 0 0 /dev/cdrom1 /mnt/cdrom1 udf,iso9660 noauto,owner,kudzu,ro 0 0 /rh9boot/grub/grub.conf # grub.conf generated by anaconda # # Note that you do not have to rerun grub after making changes to this file # NOTICE: You have a /boot partition. This means that # all kernel and initrd paths are relative to /boot/, eg. # root (hd1,0) # kernel /vmlinuz-version ro root=/dev/hdb2 # initrd /initrd-version.img #boot=/dev/hda default=1 timeout=10 splashimage=(hd1,0)/grub/splash.xpm.gz title Fedora Core (2.4.22-1.2088.nptl) root (hd1,0) kernel /vmlinuz-2.4.22-1.2088.nptl ro root=LABEL=/ hdd=ide-scsi initrd /initrd-2.4.22-1.2088.nptl.img splashimage=(hd0,0)/grub/splash.xpm.gz title Fedora HDA (2.4.22-1.2088.nptl) root (hd0,0) kernel /vmlinuz-2.4.22-1.2088.nptl ro root=LABEL=/1 hdd=ide-scsi initrd /initrd-2.4.22-1.2088.nptl.img From monty19 at hotmail.com Thu Oct 16 03:29:45 2003 From: monty19 at hotmail.com (Jason) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 23:29:45 -0400 Subject: RHN with Fedora Test 3 Message-ID: > It is not ever intended to be used on production systems. Who said I am using it on a production system. Nothing could be further from the truth. If the PC spontaneously combusted I'd barely raise an eyebrow. >If you require flawless OS operation or RHN operation I don't require much of anything... including migraines. But I do pay for an RHN subscription which I only just renewed. Ya I know... $60... big deal... I am kind of beffuddled at the moment as to why though if I am not going to get anything for it when Fedora does hit version one in a month or two or whenever, and no longer uses RHN. Or will it? Why am I not able to use/test what I am/will be paying for. Are my questions answered somewhere? Only thing I've seen in regard to this is some vague comment from the non-objectives which leaves me thinking no: Enabling commercial support, particularly Service Level Agreements. But then my system is registered with RHN albeit with no channel entitlements so then maybe yes? so yes... i probably need to just calm down, relax, and stopping assuming things cause we all know how that goes... but forgive me my confusion... Jason From cochranb at speakeasy.net Thu Oct 16 03:35:55 2003 From: cochranb at speakeasy.net (Robert L Cochran) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 23:35:55 -0400 Subject: AMD Athlon64 Systems Message-ID: <3F8E121B.2020103@speakeasy.net> Is anyone using the AMD Athlon64? -- Bob Cochran Greenbelt, Maryland, USA http://greenbeltcomputer.biz/ From tdiehl at rogueind.com Thu Oct 16 03:39:57 2003 From: tdiehl at rogueind.com (Tom Diehl) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 23:39:57 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Anaconda Installer: Use of swap space on a multi-drive, multiboot system In-Reply-To: <3F8DD7E2.3070506@speakeasy.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 15 Oct 2003, Robert L Cochran wrote: > I myself can't think of anything off the top of my head other than I do > not want an OS' installer to mess with other drives on a system. There > just isn't a good reason for destroying the contents of another drive's > partitions. That is what anaconda is doing here. Actually as was pointed out to me by Alexandre Oliva the really good reason not to allow this is in the case of vmware etc. I had not thought about that senario. My vmware machines are typically "that other os" but they could just as easially be another linux install, clustered storage, etc. Thanks. -- ......Tom Registered Linux User #14522 http://counter.li.org tdiehl at rogueind.com My current SpamTrap -------> mtd123 at rogueind.com From tdiehl at rogueind.com Thu Oct 16 03:51:03 2003 From: tdiehl at rogueind.com (Tom Diehl) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 23:51:03 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Kernel oops on shutdown Message-ID: Hi, Is anyone else seeing an oops during shutdown on test 3? Every time I shutdown one of my machines I get an oops. The first line is something like: "unable to handle kernel null pointer dereference at virtual address 000000004 printing eip:" If I attach a serial console to the machine will that catch the shutdown messages or is there another way to get them? This appears to be happening after syslog is shutdown so there is nothing in the logs. :-( -- ......Tom Registered Linux User #14522 http://counter.li.org tdiehl at rogueind.com My current SpamTrap -------> mtd123 at rogueind.com From redhat-jc at insight.rr.com Thu Oct 16 04:10:29 2003 From: redhat-jc at insight.rr.com (Jim Cornette) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 00:10:29 -0400 Subject: RHN with Fedora Test 3 In-Reply-To: <1066229007.4372.17.camel@jeremy.dtcc.cc.nc.us> References: <1066229007.4372.17.camel@jeremy.dtcc.cc.nc.us> Message-ID: <3F8E1A35.6020001@insight.rr.com> Jeremy Portzer wrote: > On Wed, 2003-10-15 at 10:22, Jason Montleon wrote: > >>OK, I've seen the postings regarding running up2date --configure in order to >>use the Rawhide channel, but it's not working for me... I am subscribed to >>nothing, and I don't see a way to subscribe to anything. Anyone know where >>to go, what to check, what to change or what not to get subscribed to the >>channel? Why is RH making this so difficult? I don't ever recall having to >>go through such BS to get a production or beta system subscribed with >>RHN.... > > If you uncomment the line with "up2date default", you will need to have the release package for the channel that you are subscribed to. Up2date will search for the channel on RHN. If the channel is not there, up2date will ceases to function. However, if you have the line commented. It will use yum and it will search your selected repositories. ## This is required for channels on rhn up2date default ## This is to run without an RHN account #up2date default At least this is how it seems to work for me. Jim -- You're working under a slight handicap. You happen to be human. From jkeating at j2solutions.net Thu Oct 16 04:20:50 2003 From: jkeating at j2solutions.net (Jesse Keating) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 21:20:50 -0700 Subject: AMD Athlon64 Systems In-Reply-To: <3F8E121B.2020103@speakeasy.net> References: <3F8E121B.2020103@speakeasy.net> Message-ID: <200310152120.55175.jkeating@j2solutions.net> On Wednesday 15 October 2003 20:35, Robert L Cochran uttered: > Is anyone using the AMD Athlon64? I've been building one for a customer. We also use Opteron systems at work. -- Jesse Keating RHCE MCSE (http://geek.j2solutions.net) Fedora Legacy Team (http://www.fedora.us/wiki/FedoraLegacy) Mondo DevTeam (www.mondorescue.org) GPG Public Key (http://geek.j2solutions.net/jkeating.j2solutions.pub) Was I helpful? Let others know: http://svcs.affero.net/rm.php?r=jkeating -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: signature URL: From elwoo at videotron.ca Thu Oct 16 04:23:12 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 00:23:12 -0400 Subject: is anyone using any speech / dictation with Fedora? Message-ID: <200310160023.12020.elwoo@videotron.ca> I see that IBM's ViaVoice for linux is no longer being developed: http://linuxjournal.com/article.php?sid=6383, though it is still available for download from HERE: https://www6.software.ibm.com/dl/viavoice/vvlinux-r?S_PKG=dl Noted, also that there is some move afoot for a suitable open source replacement called Sphinx: http://www.speech.cs.cmu.edu/sphinx/ comments, please? TIA Elton ;-) -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From b.j.smith at ieee.org Thu Oct 16 04:30:20 2003 From: b.j.smith at ieee.org (Bryan J. Smith) Date: 15 Oct 2003 23:30:20 -0500 Subject: AMD Athlon64 Systems -- dual-940 boards with AGP+PCI-X are still costly ... In-Reply-To: <3F8E121B.2020103@speakeasy.net> References: <3F8E121B.2020103@speakeasy.net> Message-ID: <1066278620.1140.127.camel@bitman.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> On Wed, 2003-10-15 at 22:35, Robert L Cochran wrote: > Is anyone using the AMD Athlon64? I was hoping I would once a "low-cost" dual-940 mainboard came out. Heck, most dual-940 boards don't even have AGP. Although I'm not a huge fan of AGP (especially since PCI-X is more stable, and just as fast), all the "commodity" video cards are AGP based (and virtually none are PCI-X). Only a few, select dual-940 mainboards have both AGP and PCI-X are costly. E.g., the Tyan S2885 "Thunder" K8W is almost $600. I though the "holy grail" had arrived with the introduction of the Tyan S2875 "Tiger" K8W. Although I haven't seen any pricing yet, I think I can forget about considerign it. Why? It's got 0 I/O capability. E.g., they don't come with the AMD-8131 PCI-X I/O Hub. So _everything_ runs of the "meager" 32-bit, 33MHz PCI channel of the AMD-8111 -- _including_ the GbE, SATA, etc... Ouch, talk about bus contention!!! So I'm back where I started. I might as well wait until the Opteron comes down in price anyway, before investing in a dual-940. Maybe someone else will come out with a cheaper HyperTransport hub/bridge that has PCI-X and LPC on the same chip, instead of the separate AMD 8131 and AMD 8111 "reference" solution, cutting costs. Heck, maybe they'll put it "all-in-one" anyway, including AGP too. They've done that for the single processor systems, especially the more "consumer" 754 pin. But not dual. Or maybe "commodity" PCI-X video cards will start making an appearance. Ack, not likely given the marketing power of Intel. Although I'm waiting for ATI or, especially, nVidia (who has AMD-only chipsets) to surprise me. -- Bryan J. Smith, E.I. mailto:b.j.smith at ieee.org http://thebs.org From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Thu Oct 16 04:31:47 2003 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 00:31:47 -0400 Subject: AMD Athlon64 Systems -- dual-940 boards with AGP+PCI-X are still costly ... In-Reply-To: <1066278620.1140.127.camel@bitman.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> References: <3F8E121B.2020103@speakeasy.net> <1066278620.1140.127.camel@bitman.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> Message-ID: <1066278706.23014.11.camel@binkley> On Thu, 2003-10-16 at 00:30, Bryan J. Smith wrote: > On Wed, 2003-10-15 at 22:35, Robert L Cochran wrote: > > Is anyone using the AMD Athlon64? > > I was hoping I would once a "low-cost" dual-940 mainboard came out. > > Heck, most dual-940 boards don't even have AGP. Although I'm not a huge > fan of AGP (especially since PCI-X is more stable, and just as fast), > all the "commodity" video cards are AGP based (and virtually none are > PCI-X). > > Only a few, select dual-940 mainboards have both AGP and PCI-X are > costly. E.g., the Tyan S2885 "Thunder" K8W is almost $600. > > I though the "holy grail" had arrived with the introduction of the Tyan > S2875 "Tiger" K8W. Although I haven't seen any pricing yet, I think I > can forget about considerign it. Why? It's got 0 I/O capability. > E.g., they don't come with the AMD-8131 PCI-X I/O Hub. So _everything_ > runs of the "meager" 32-bit, 33MHz PCI channel of the AMD-8111 -- > _including_ the GbE, SATA, etc... After having suffered through 50 or so tyan 2460s and 2466 dual athlon motherboards I personally hope to never see another tyan motherboard. never a larger steaming pile of crap have I seen. -sv From erqu0001 at d.umn.edu Thu Oct 16 04:36:42 2003 From: erqu0001 at d.umn.edu (Santiago Erquicia) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 23:36:42 -0500 Subject: Pregenerate help files Message-ID: <1066279002.3917.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> I was playing with gnumeric's help and I saw that it took 1.5 minutes to open in my 2.66GHz and 512 MB of RAM computer. I searched about Yelp speed problems and founded that you can pre-generate the help files with "yeld-pregenerate". Now it takes only 1 second to open that manual. Is it possible to pre-generate the help files of all gnome's applications? From cochranb at speakeasy.net Thu Oct 16 04:46:31 2003 From: cochranb at speakeasy.net (Robert L Cochran) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 00:46:31 -0400 Subject: AMD Athlon64 Systems In-Reply-To: <200310152120.55175.jkeating@j2solutions.net> References: <3F8E121B.2020103@speakeasy.net> <200310152120.55175.jkeating@j2solutions.net> Message-ID: <3F8E22A7.60005@speakeasy.net> Is this the 64-FX? Maybe you can share the system specs with me? But this is just a personal pipe dream of mine that I might not realize, so don't feel obligated. I would like to build such a system. Just as soon as my kids graduate from university and I've paid off the education costs :-) Bob Jesse Keating wrote: > On Wednesday 15 October 2003 20:35, Robert L Cochran uttered: > >>Is anyone using the AMD Athlon64? > > > I've been building one for a customer. We also use Opteron systems at work. > -- Bob Cochran Greenbelt, Maryland, USA http://greenbeltcomputer.biz/ From cochranb at speakeasy.net Thu Oct 16 04:54:06 2003 From: cochranb at speakeasy.net (Robert L Cochran) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 00:54:06 -0400 Subject: is anyone using any speech / dictation with Fedora? In-Reply-To: <200310160023.12020.elwoo@videotron.ca> References: <200310160023.12020.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <3F8E246E.3040701@speakeasy.net> Several years ago, when my wife was writing her Ph.D dissertation, she tried the Dragon Dictate product (by Dragon Systems, which I think was bought by another company) under Microsoft Windows 98. It did a poor job of recognition despite use of a high quality Shure microphone. She soon gave up on Dragon and returned to typing into Microsoft Word. Even a 90% recognition rate for Via Voice seems fantastically good. I watched Dragon Dictate miss most voice input, even with "training". Bob Elton Woo wrote: > I see that IBM's ViaVoice for linux is no longer being developed: > http://linuxjournal.com/article.php?sid=6383, though it is still > available for download from HERE: > https://www6.software.ibm.com/dl/viavoice/vvlinux-r?S_PKG=dl > > Noted, also that there is some move afoot for a suitable open > source replacement called Sphinx: > http://www.speech.cs.cmu.edu/sphinx/ > > comments, please? > > TIA > Elton ;-) -- Bob Cochran Greenbelt, Maryland, USA http://greenbeltcomputer.biz/ From cochranb at speakeasy.net Thu Oct 16 04:58:20 2003 From: cochranb at speakeasy.net (Robert L Cochran) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 00:58:20 -0400 Subject: AMD Athlon64 Systems -- dual-940 boards with AGP+PCI-X are still costly ... In-Reply-To: <1066278620.1140.127.camel@bitman.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> References: <3F8E121B.2020103@speakeasy.net> <1066278620.1140.127.camel@bitman.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> Message-ID: <3F8E256C.8060406@speakeasy.net> Maybe you can get dual Socket 939 systems next year? Cheaper memory, too. Bob Bryan J. Smith wrote: > On Wed, 2003-10-15 at 22:35, Robert L Cochran wrote: > >>Is anyone using the AMD Athlon64? > > > I was hoping I would once a "low-cost" dual-940 mainboard came out. > > Heck, most dual-940 boards don't even have AGP. Although I'm not a huge > fan of AGP (especially since PCI-X is more stable, and just as fast), > all the "commodity" video cards are AGP based (and virtually none are > PCI-X). > > Only a few, select dual-940 mainboards have both AGP and PCI-X are > costly. E.g., the Tyan S2885 "Thunder" K8W is almost $600. > > I though the "holy grail" had arrived with the introduction of the Tyan > S2875 "Tiger" K8W. Although I haven't seen any pricing yet, I think I > can forget about considerign it. Why? It's got 0 I/O capability. > E.g., they don't come with the AMD-8131 PCI-X I/O Hub. So _everything_ > runs of the "meager" 32-bit, 33MHz PCI channel of the AMD-8111 -- > _including_ the GbE, SATA, etc... > > Ouch, talk about bus contention!!! > > So I'm back where I started. I might as well wait until the Opteron > comes down in price anyway, before investing in a dual-940. > > Maybe someone else will come out with a cheaper HyperTransport > hub/bridge that has PCI-X and LPC on the same chip, instead of the > separate AMD 8131 and AMD 8111 "reference" solution, cutting costs. > Heck, maybe they'll put it "all-in-one" anyway, including AGP too. > They've done that for the single processor systems, especially the more > "consumer" 754 pin. But not dual. > > Or maybe "commodity" PCI-X video cards will start making an appearance. > Ack, not likely given the marketing power of Intel. Although I'm > waiting for ATI or, especially, nVidia (who has AMD-only chipsets) to > surprise me. > > -- Bob Cochran Greenbelt, Maryland, USA http://greenbeltcomputer.biz/ From louisg00 at bellsouth.net Thu Oct 16 04:58:49 2003 From: louisg00 at bellsouth.net (Louis Garcia) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 00:58:49 -0400 Subject: kernel problem with latest updates Message-ID: <1066280329.3689.10.camel@tiger> kernel-2.4.22-1.2093.nptl encountered a error while shutting down. Oct 16 00:30:27 tiger rpc.statd[2587]: Caught signal 15, un-registering and exiting. This is from the logs. What actually saw on the screen was more. Can I capture the output from a shutdown? --Lou From kaboom at gatech.edu Thu Oct 16 05:01:25 2003 From: kaboom at gatech.edu (Chris Ricker) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 01:01:25 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Kernel oops on shutdown In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, 15 Oct 2003, Tom Diehl wrote: > Hi, > Is anyone else seeing an oops during shutdown on test 3? Every time I shutdown > one of my machines I get an oops. The first line is something like: > > "unable to handle kernel null pointer dereference at virtual address 000000004 > printing eip:" > > If I attach a serial console to the machine will that catch the shutdown > messages or is there another way to get them? This appears to be happening > after syslog is shutdown so there is nothing in the logs. :-( It's filed already as #107233 I attached a screenshot of the oops since it's after syslog quits ;-) later, chris From b.j.smith at ieee.org Thu Oct 16 05:21:54 2003 From: b.j.smith at ieee.org (Bryan J. Smith) Date: 16 Oct 2003 00:21:54 -0500 Subject: AMD Athlon64 Systems -- dual-940 boards with AGP+PCI-X are still costly ... In-Reply-To: <1066278706.23014.11.camel@binkley> References: <3F8E121B.2020103@speakeasy.net> <1066278620.1140.127.camel@bitman.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> <1066278706.23014.11.camel@binkley> Message-ID: <1066281714.1140.132.camel@bitman.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> On Wed, 2003-10-15 at 23:31, seth vidal wrote: > After having suffered through 50 or so tyan 2460s and 2466 dual athlon > motherboards I personally hope to never see another tyan motherboard. > never a larger steaming pile of crap have I seen. I'm running on the Tyan 2460 Tiger MP right here. Been solid under Linux. XP Pro is a different story (BIOS issues it seems). I've heard of a few people with power-related issues, but I've got an Antec 550W True Power and 0 such issues. The Tyan 2466 Tiger MPX is supposed to be even more stable. The redesign of the power was supposed to help. But if you really wanted stability, you should have gone with a Tyan Thunder product. -- Bryan J. Smith, E.I. mailto:b.j.smith at ieee.org http://thebs.org From b.j.smith at ieee.org Thu Oct 16 05:22:41 2003 From: b.j.smith at ieee.org (Bryan J. Smith) Date: 16 Oct 2003 00:22:41 -0500 Subject: AMD Athlon64 Systems -- dual-940 boards with AGP+PCI-X are still costly ... In-Reply-To: <3F8E256C.8060406@speakeasy.net> References: <3F8E121B.2020103@speakeasy.net> <1066278620.1140.127.camel@bitman.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> <3F8E256C.8060406@speakeasy.net> Message-ID: <1066281761.1140.134.camel@bitman.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> On Wed, 2003-10-15 at 23:58, Robert L Cochran wrote: > Maybe you can get dual Socket 939 systems next year? Cheaper memory, too. Are they dual-capable? Don't they sacrifice the extra HyperTranport channels? -- Bryan J. Smith, E.I. mailto:b.j.smith at ieee.org http://thebs.org From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Thu Oct 16 05:37:15 2003 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 01:37:15 -0400 Subject: AMD Athlon64 Systems -- dual-940 boards with AGP+PCI-X are still costly ... In-Reply-To: <1066281714.1140.132.camel@bitman.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> References: <3F8E121B.2020103@speakeasy.net> <1066278620.1140.127.camel@bitman.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> <1066278706.23014.11.camel@binkley> <1066281714.1140.132.camel@bitman.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> Message-ID: <1066282635.23014.23.camel@binkley> On Thu, 2003-10-16 at 01:21, Bryan J. Smith wrote: > On Wed, 2003-10-15 at 23:31, seth vidal wrote: > > After having suffered through 50 or so tyan 2460s and 2466 dual athlon > > motherboards I personally hope to never see another tyan motherboard. > > never a larger steaming pile of crap have I seen. > > I'm running on the Tyan 2460 Tiger MP right here. Been solid under > Linux. XP Pro is a different story (BIOS issues it seems). I've heard > of a few people with power-related issues, but I've got an Antec 550W > True Power and 0 such issues. > read up on the tyan 2460 sometime - the number of 'issues' that tyan acknowledged after the fact is enormous. There appears to be only 2-3 total configurations of nic/ps/memory/processors/fans that work AT ALL, not to mention type of load. We ran over 50 of these things in a beowulf cluster and they were an absolute nightmare. They were so far from production ready it was painful. > The Tyan 2466 Tiger MPX is supposed to be even more stable. The > redesign of the power was supposed to help. it's better, true -but it isn't great. The bios 'upgrades' were a mess from 4.01 until 4.04 which was a period of about 8 months. every new letter release (4.01q etc) brought a new level of joy at finding what thing had been broken and what things partially fixed (ie, oh look - pxe now works, sorta, for the onboard card, but oh - they won't boot w/o a keyboard in, even with ignore-keyboard-errors on.) > But if you really wanted stability, you should have gone with a Tyan > Thunder product. We evaluated them - getting the tyan thunders inside a rackmount case is nontrivial - and the additional cost for 'server features' really made little sense for a beowulf node. -sv From seanc at tech-access.com Thu Oct 16 05:51:11 2003 From: seanc at tech-access.com (Sean Craig) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 09:51:11 +0400 Subject: RHGB - 'show details' behaving correctly? Message-ID: <3F8E31CF.2050708@tech-access.com> Hi All, I have a fully updated FC-t3 system. When I click on 'show details' at the graphical boot, I only see the boot messages once the system hits runlevel5. I would assume (rightly or wrongly) that I should see all messages after the click..... bug, feature, security,,......?? regards Sean Craig From grant at tuins.ac.jp Thu Oct 16 06:13:33 2003 From: grant at tuins.ac.jp (rg) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 15:13:33 +0900 Subject: show details in Test 3 oddness In-Reply-To: <3F8E31CF.2050708@tech-access.com> References: <3F8E31CF.2050708@tech-access.com> Message-ID: <3F8E370D.5050008@tuins.ac.jp> OK, lovely graphical boot - and very cool "show details" feature. However, when I do opt to see the details and get to "Random Number Generator," the familiar string of comforting "[OK]s" gives way to a string of "?OK?s". No damage done it seems, but it is obviously not the way things are supposed to be. Must be indicative of something in need of a fix, eh? rg From aoliva at redhat.com Thu Oct 16 07:46:57 2003 From: aoliva at redhat.com (Alexandre Oliva) Date: 16 Oct 2003 04:46:57 -0300 Subject: show details in Test 3 oddness In-Reply-To: <3F8E370D.5050008@tuins.ac.jp> References: <3F8E31CF.2050708@tech-access.com> <3F8E370D.5050008@tuins.ac.jp> Message-ID: On Oct 16, 2003, rg wrote: > Number Generator," the familiar string of comforting "[OK]s" gives way > to a string of "?OK?s". Time to update, it's already fixed. -- Alexandre Oliva Enjoy Guarana', see http://www.ic.unicamp.br/~oliva/ Red Hat GCC Developer aoliva@{redhat.com, gcc.gnu.org} CS PhD student at IC-Unicamp oliva@{lsd.ic.unicamp.br, gnu.org} Free Software Evangelist Professional serial bug killer From alexl at redhat.com Thu Oct 16 07:47:34 2003 From: alexl at redhat.com (Alexander Larsson) Date: 16 Oct 2003 09:47:34 +0200 Subject: Startup-notification and OO.org documents In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1066290453.20063.266.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2003-10-15 at 21:45, Mattias Dahlberg wrote: > Hi, > > I noticed that I don't get any startup notification when I double-click > on an OO.org document in Nautilus. Not very surprising though, as OO.org > isn't a real GNOME app. But has it been tried or thought about patching > OO.org to support this? Red Hat have done other nice things to OO.org, > like giving it beautiful anti-aliased fonts. :) http://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=107257 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Alexander Larsson Red Hat, Inc alexl at redhat.com alla at lysator.liu.se He's a lounge-singing white trash grifter from the 'hood. She's an orphaned communist magician's assistant who dreams of becoming Elvis. They fight crime! From stevewa at spiritone.com Thu Oct 16 07:56:44 2003 From: stevewa at spiritone.com (Steve Ward) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 00:56:44 -0700 Subject: test3--redhat-config-xfree86 crashing on launch Message-ID: <3F8E4F3C.7090104@spiritone.com> Just finished loading test3 and am seeing the following behavior. Trying to run the display setting tool nothing ever comes up (if I run as non-root user it asks for root password then nothing happens). Running redhat-config-xfree86 from the command line returns the following message: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/share/redhat-config-xfree86/xconf.py", line 406, in ? dialog = xConfigDialog.XConfigDialog(hardware_state, xconfig, vc) File "/usr/share/redhat-config-xfree86/xConfigDialog.py", line 398, in __init__ key, value = string.split(card.driver, ":") ValueError: unpack list of wrong size Ideas? Or is it bugzilla time? From 1midniterider at comcast.net Thu Oct 16 07:57:53 2003 From: 1midniterider at comcast.net (Marcus O. White) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 03:57:53 -0400 Subject: The "top" utility returns bogus summary info for CPU usage Message-ID: <1066291051.10540.4.camel@hqs35256> G'day, Has anyone else noticed that top when run in a gui window displays zeroes for CPU usage in the summary section. The details appear to be ok. See below: ------------------- cut here ------------------------- 03:55:35 up 22:59, 4 users, load average: 2.83, 2.19, 1.90 83 processes: 77 sleeping, 6 running, 0 zombie, 0 stopped CPU states: cpu user nice system irq softirq iowait idle total 0.0% 0.0% 0.0% 33.3% 33.4% 33.1% 0.0% Mem: 125988k av, 107088k used, 18900k free, 0k shrd, 1160k buff 45012k active, 51480k inactive Swap: 257032k av, 95256k used, 161776k free 29844k cached PID USER PRI NI SIZE RSS SHARE STAT %CPU %MEM TIME CPU COMMAND 10535 root 16 0 61380 43M 1740 R 77.9 34.9 7:56 0 up2date 2316 root 16 0 19932 3680 3092 R 9.0 2.9 536:47 0 X 10033 root 15 0 4884 2960 2896 S 3.0 2.3 2:27 0 ---------------------- end cut --------------------- Marcus O. From pp at ee.oulu.fi Thu Oct 16 08:06:07 2003 From: pp at ee.oulu.fi (Pekka Pietikainen) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 11:06:07 +0300 Subject: apt vs yum In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20031016080606.GA4871@ee.oulu.fi> On Wed, Oct 15, 2003 at 04:01:41PM -0400, Noah Silva [Mailing list] wrote: > > > > Is one or the other going to be the "preferred" method besides up2date, > > > > or are both going to continue to be supported in the free area? It > > > > sounds like yum is the preferred method, but still lots of people using > > > > apt, so wasn't sure. > > > > > > I think it is pretty much a matter of which side of the religion you wish > > > to be on. Personally I lean toward yum but that is just me. > > Seems like "redhat people" like YUM better, while "Debian people" like APT > better.. then again it was a rh based distro that ported APT. > > APT supposedly did some dirty tricks with RPM in the past.. > then again YUM seems to me infinitely slower than apt, and I like being > able to use the same tool on my debian and redhat machines. apt is a bit nicer to use, although it's a bit too anal about dependancies IMHO. yum is a lot easier to setup on the server end. Hhopefully this has been improved for apt lately, setting up the directory hierarchy for it was not trivial last time I tried it. Personally I use yum, mostly because it's in the distro and rawhide repositories are everywhere. -- Pekka Pietikainen From mark at talios.com Thu Oct 16 08:14:20 2003 From: mark at talios.com (Mark Derricutt) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 21:14:20 +1300 Subject: apt vs yum References: <20031016080606.GA4871@ee.oulu.fi> Message-ID: On Thu, 16 Oct 2003 11:06:07 +0300, Pekka Pietikainen wrote: > yum is a lot easier to setup on the server end. Hhopefully this has been > improved for apt lately, setting up the directory hierarchy for it was not > trivial last time I tried it. Speaking of yum server setups, anyone know of any HOWTO guides on setting up a yum repository? I've got a few rpms I'm building and was thinking of apt-ifying, but wouldn't mind checking out yum... -- "It's all in the heat of the moment, it's all in the pain..." Devy. Mark Derricutt @ mark at talios.com @ talios.blog-city.com From pmatilai at welho.com Thu Oct 16 08:35:09 2003 From: pmatilai at welho.com (Panu Matilainen) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 11:35:09 +0300 Subject: apt vs yum In-Reply-To: <200310151318.48980.jkeating@j2solutions.net> References: <3F8DAA21.9080902@lopht.net> <200310151318.48980.jkeating@j2solutions.net> Message-ID: <1066293309.3f8e583d200a8@webmail.welho.com> Quoting Jesse Keating : > On Wednesday 15 October 2003 13:12, Justin Georgeson wrote: > > what dirty tricks? APT should do nothing more than search > > repositories for the specified package, check dependencies, download > > candidates, and call rpm. > > It used to call rpm with --force and --nodeps. Hopefully it doesn't do > that anymore. Never called rpm with --force AFAIR (and before someone goes to grep the apt tree, like every time this comes up: yes grep finds a --force reference in the sources but it's not used unless specified by the user), --nodeps was and still is used because it *has* to do so as long as it doesn't use rpmlib. Rpm doesn't support simultaneous install/upgrade/erasure operations within a single command so apt has to "simulate" a complete transaction by doing separate runs of erase, install and upgrade operations with --nodeps called. Also it already resolves the package dependencies and install order by itself so why recalculate in rpm -> calling rpm with --nodeps --noorder isn't anywhere near as bad as it sounds *in this context*. -- - Panu - From teg at pvv.org Thu Oct 16 08:54:38 2003 From: teg at pvv.org (Trond Eivind =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Glomsr=F8d?=) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 10:54:38 +0200 Subject: Question about dual-booting two versions of RedHat In-Reply-To: <1066222951.1584.32.camel@chastain> References: <1066222951.1584.32.camel@chastain> Message-ID: <1066294478.9598.2.camel@pc-32.office.scali.no> On Wed, 2003-10-15 at 15:02, Terry R Linhardt wrote: > I have a large disk drive with ample space. I've decided I would like to > install two versions of RedHat. One would be a "production" version, the > other a "test" version. > > The documentation I've seen talks about Linux co-existing in a dual boot > with some version of Windows. > > I've installed the "first" version of Linux in the first 25 GB of disk > space. Do I install the "2nd" version in a similar manner?...that is, > using a custom install and then selecting the unused portion of the > drive to install the 2nd version? GRUB will see the two installs and > allow me to select which one to boot? Just choose "advanced options" when configuring the bootloader and select to install grub on a partition, not the MBR, on all but one of the installations. Then just add those partitions to grub.conf the same way you'd add a Windows partition. From teg at pvv.org Thu Oct 16 08:59:17 2003 From: teg at pvv.org (Trond Eivind =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Glomsr=F8d?=) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 10:59:17 +0200 Subject: apt vs yum In-Reply-To: References: <20031016080606.GA4871@ee.oulu.fi> Message-ID: <1066294757.9598.5.camel@pc-32.office.scali.no> On Thu, 2003-10-16 at 10:14, Mark Derricutt wrote: > Speaking of yum server setups, anyone know of any HOWTO guides on setting > up a yum repository? I've got a few rpms I'm building and was thinking > of apt-ifying, but wouldn't mind checking out yum... yum-arch Done. I much prefer yum... apt doesn't handle kernels, and sometimes lead to weird scenarios where packages just disappear for no good reason. From Mauri.Sahlberg at claymountain.com Thu Oct 16 09:02:08 2003 From: Mauri.Sahlberg at claymountain.com (Mauri Sahlberg) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 12:02:08 +0300 Subject: Dia 0.91 and text tool problems Message-ID: <1066294927.17976.12.camel@taekwondo> Hi, I have a problem concerning Dia 0.91 and text tool. When I open an existing diagram or create a new one all text inside classes are displayed as "lines" - hard to explain without submitting a screen shot. Changing the font or zoom factor does not help the matter. Actually any text I try to enter is displayed as "lines". I've done the existing diagrams with dia 0.91 on RH 9 and did not encounter this kind of problem, so I guess I'm not doing something systematically wrong. I tried re-compiling dia with and without gnome-support from the source directly downloaded from dia-homepage without success. My guess is that something has been upgraded that does not work well with locale fi_FI.UTF-8 and dia. Any ideas what might be the solution? Regards, -- Mauri Sahlberg Pretax Systems Oy From leam at reuel.net Thu Oct 16 09:09:19 2003 From: leam at reuel.net (leam) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 05:09:19 -0400 Subject: AMD Athlon64 Systems -- dual-940 boards with AGP+PCI-X are still costly ... In-Reply-To: <1066282635.23014.23.camel@binkley> References: <3F8E121B.2020103@speakeasy.net> <1066278620.1140.127.camel@bitman.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> <1066278706.23014.11.camel@binkley> <1066281714.1140.132.camel@bitman.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> <1066282635.23014.23.camel@binkley> Message-ID: <3F8E603F.1020106@reuel.net> seth vidal wrote: > On Thu, 2003-10-16 at 01:21, Bryan J. Smith wrote: > >>On Wed, 2003-10-15 at 23:31, seth vidal wrote: >> (snip) So, for those of us who are AMD fans but don't know a lot about motherboard selection and history, what is recommended? Who are the "good" producers? What is good to read up on this before shopping? ciao! leam From pmatilai at welho.com Thu Oct 16 09:12:43 2003 From: pmatilai at welho.com (Panu Matilainen) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 12:12:43 +0300 Subject: apt vs yum In-Reply-To: <1066294757.9598.5.camel@pc-32.office.scali.no> References: <20031016080606.GA4871@ee.oulu.fi> <1066294757.9598.5.camel@pc-32.office.scali.no> Message-ID: <1066295563.3f8e610b71fab@webmail.welho.com> Quoting Trond Eivind Glomsr?d : > On Thu, 2003-10-16 at 10:14, Mark Derricutt wrote: > > > Speaking of yum server setups, anyone know of any HOWTO guides on setting > > up a yum repository? I've got a few rpms I'm building and was thinking > > of apt-ifying, but wouldn't mind checking out yum... > > yum-arch > > Done. > > I much prefer yum... apt doesn't handle kernels It does *handle* them but doesn't upgrade automatically :) Or rather, unless kernel was marked special in apt.conf it would do that as well but not with the intended way of installing alongside instead of upgrading. The apt in fedora.us repository can do that too if you set RPM::Upgrade-Kernel = true (off by default) or you can grab the kernel-upgrade.lua script from http://laiskiainen.org/apt/lua/ to use with any recent apt. > and sometimes lead to > weird scenarios where packages just disappear for no good reason. There's a reason always for removing packages but the reasons can be non-obvious at times :) -- - Panu - From milan.kerslager at pslib.cz Thu Oct 16 09:34:29 2003 From: milan.kerslager at pslib.cz (Milan Kerslager) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 11:34:29 +0200 Subject: apt vs yum In-Reply-To: References: <20031016080606.GA4871@ee.oulu.fi> Message-ID: <20031016093429.GA2411@pluto.pslib.cz> On Thu, Oct 16, 2003 at 09:14:20PM +1300, Mark Derricutt wrote: > On Thu, 16 Oct 2003 11:06:07 +0300, Pekka Pietikainen wrote: > > > yum is a lot easier to setup on the server end. Hhopefully this has been > > improved for apt lately, setting up the directory hierarchy for it was not > > trivial last time I tried it. > > Speaking of yum server setups, anyone know of any HOWTO guides on setting > up a yum repository? I've got a few rpms I'm building and was thinking > of apt-ifying, but wouldn't mind checking out yum... mkdir -p /var/ftp/pub/linux/yum-repository/redhat/9/i386 cd /var/ftp/pub/linux/yum-repository/redhat/9/i386 ln -s ../../../../redhat/9/i386/RedHat/RPMS RPMS yum-arch -l . You can make more symbolic links to any other directory. yum.conf ======== ... [mypkgs] name=Red Hat Linux $releasever - MyPkgs baseurl=ftp://ftp.yourserver.com/pub/linux/yum-repository/redhat/$releasever/$basearch/ -- Milan Kerslager E-mail: milan.kerslager at pslib.cz WWW: http://www.pslib.cz/~kerslage/ From czar at czarc.net Thu Oct 16 09:43:49 2003 From: czar at czarc.net (Gene C.) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 05:43:49 -0400 Subject: Anaconda Installer: Use of swap space on a multi-drive, multiboot system In-Reply-To: References: <3F8DD7E2.3070506@speakeasy.net> Message-ID: <200310160543.49553.czar@czarc.net> On Wednesday 15 October 2003 20:28, Alexandre Oliva wrote: > On Oct 15, 2003, Robert L Cochran wrote: > > I myself can't think of anything off the top of my head other than I > > do not want an OS' installer to mess with other drives on a > > system. > > The assumption that one installation means one hard disk is not very > common. If you have more than one disk on the same machine, it will > perform better of you keep different features in different disks, than > keeping root and swap on the same disk. > > > That is what anaconda is doing here. > > Agreed. There should be a way to disable this, just like there is a > way to tell Anaconda to not format and to not even use other > filesystem types. I thought that this had been reported by myself or someone. However, a search through bugzilla shows that the explicit request (RFE or otherwise) has not been submitted to have to option to NOT select a specific partition for swap -- even if it really looks like (and is defined as) a swap partition. At one time, you could use the partition type (82) to do this but no more. This has caused me problems at times and I will be submitting an RFE. -- Gene From czar at czarc.net Thu Oct 16 09:53:52 2003 From: czar at czarc.net (Gene C.) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 05:53:52 -0400 Subject: Anaconda Installer: Use of swap space on a multi-drive, multiboot system In-Reply-To: References: <3F8DD7E2.3070506@speakeasy.net> Message-ID: <200310160553.52959.czar@czarc.net> On Wednesday 15 October 2003 20:28, Alexandre Oliva wrote: > Agreed. There should be a way to disable this, just like there is a > way to tell Anaconda to not format and to not even use other > filesystem types. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=107264 -- Gene From warren at togami.com Thu Oct 16 09:53:59 2003 From: warren at togami.com (Warren Togami) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 23:53:59 -1000 Subject: AMD Athlon64 Systems -- dual-940 boards with AGP+PCI-X are still costly ... In-Reply-To: <3F8E603F.1020106@reuel.net> References: <3F8E121B.2020103@speakeasy.net> <1066278620.1140.127.camel@bitman.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> <1066278706.23014.11.camel@binkley> <1066281714.1140.132.camel@bitman.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> <1066282635.23014.23.camel@binkley> <3F8E603F.1020106@reuel.net> Message-ID: <3F8E6AB7.1070900@togami.com> leam wrote: > So, for those of us who are AMD fans but don't know a lot about > motherboard selection and history, what is recommended? Who are the > "good" producers? What is good to read up on this before shopping? http://amdmb.com/article-display.php?ArticleID=259 The owner of amdmb.com reviewed the MSI NEO motherboard here. I'm the customer that ordered an Athlon64 from Jesse at Pogo Linux. They took the opportunity to do some testing on the Athlon64 because they may consider shipping it as a regular product in the future. I'm the guinea pig. While this particular motherboard has onboard SATA, I opted to order a regular PATA drive because SATA probably is not yet supported by the Linux kernel, and it would probably take longer for it to be reliable on AMD64. That's only a guess though, I haven't really searched much about this. I will know early next week if I've been screwed by buying this motherboard or not. =) If all goes well, during November I plan on doing a bunch of 32bit vs. 64bit Linux tests comparing relative performance numbers with stuff compiled for x86 and AMD64. The results will be published in an amdmb.com article. This should be interesting. Right now the tests I could think of include: * openssl "speed" test * oggenc Any other suggestions? Warren Togami warren at togami.com From alexl at redhat.com Thu Oct 16 09:56:36 2003 From: alexl at redhat.com (Alexander Larsson) Date: 16 Oct 2003 11:56:36 +0200 Subject: Dia 0.91 and text tool problems In-Reply-To: <1066294927.17976.12.camel@taekwondo> References: <1066294927.17976.12.camel@taekwondo> Message-ID: <1066298196.20063.271.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2003-10-16 at 11:02, Mauri Sahlberg wrote: > Hi, > > I have a problem concerning Dia 0.91 and text tool. When I open an > existing diagram or create a new one all text inside classes are > displayed as "lines" - hard to explain without submitting a screen shot. > Changing the font or zoom factor does not help the matter. > > Actually any text I try to enter is displayed as "lines". > > I've done the existing diagrams with dia 0.91 on RH 9 and did not > encounter this kind of problem, so I guess I'm not doing something > systematically wrong. > > I tried re-compiling dia with and without gnome-support from the source > directly downloaded from dia-homepage without success. > > My guess is that something has been upgraded that does not work well > with locale fi_FI.UTF-8 and dia. > > Any ideas what might be the solution? Try dia-0.91-3, i think this should be fixed. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Alexander Larsson Red Hat, Inc alexl at redhat.com alla at lysator.liu.se He's a world-famous soccer-playing shaman looking for a cure to the poison coursing through his veins. She's a strong-willed psychic single mother with the power to see death. They fight crime! From reader at newsguy.com Thu Oct 16 10:46:15 2003 From: reader at newsguy.com (Harry Putnam) Date: 16 Oct 2003 05:46:15 -0500 Subject: no shell command hist on arrow keys In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Harry Putnam writes: > I've seen no mention in recent posts about this: > After booting (test2) and arriving at an X desktop (gnome) > my xterms or gnome-terms have no shell history buffer. Nothing comes > up on the arrow keys. > > Further, I find I cannot scroll up inside vi[m] or emacs, just down. > > Readline packages are installed and show no problems with: > rpm -V readline > rpm -V readline-devel > > Haven't ventured into test3 yet but wondered if anyone has noticed > this same problem? Now having installed test3 I see either the history problem has been fixed or it was `self inflicted'. No such problem in test3 From reader at newsguy.com Thu Oct 16 10:48:28 2003 From: reader at newsguy.com (Harry Putnam) Date: 16 Oct 2003 05:48:28 -0500 Subject: No graphical install using `install from hdd' Message-ID: Installing from hard disk doesn't allow a graphical install. Is that supposed to be the case? From waresd at yahoo.com Thu Oct 16 10:46:03 2003 From: waresd at yahoo.com (Scott Ware) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 03:46:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Postfix issues Message-ID: <20031016104603.61493.qmail@web60005.mail.yahoo.com> I have recently installed the new test version of Fedora Core (3). And I am having issues with postfix. I can send mail out just fine, but cannot receive any. I am not getting return messages or failure to deliver when I send to my fedora box...it's like they just dissapear? Has anyone else had this problem? Any help would be appreciated! Thanks! __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From mark at talios.com Thu Oct 16 10:51:50 2003 From: mark at talios.com (Mark Derricutt) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 23:51:50 +1300 Subject: apt vs yum References: <20031016080606.GA4871@ee.oulu.fi> <1066294757.9598.5.camel@pc-32.office.scali.no> Message-ID: On Thu, 16 Oct 2003 10:59:17 +0200, Trond Eivind Glomsr?d wrote: > yum-arch Well thats easy ;-) -- "It's all in the heat of the moment, it's all in the pain..." Devy. Mark Derricutt @ mark at talios.com @ talios.blog-city.com Now Playing: %s From reader at newsguy.com Thu Oct 16 10:54:19 2003 From: reader at newsguy.com (Harry Putnam) Date: 16 Oct 2003 05:54:19 -0500 Subject: Up2date yum rawhide channel says that all updates are 0kB In-Reply-To: <3F8C77A6.9090305@zonnet.nl> References: <3F8C77A6.9090305@zonnet.nl> Message-ID: "Jaap A. Haitsma" writes: > I noticed since the up2date channel has changed to the yum rawhide > channel that when up2date presents you the list of all packages that > can be upgraded it says that all packages are 0kB. Anybody else seeing > it? Is this a bug or just a "feature" of yum? What does OkB mean? From andre at bwh.harvard.edu Thu Oct 16 10:54:58 2003 From: andre at bwh.harvard.edu (Andre Robatino) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 06:54:58 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Up2date yum rawhide channel says that all updates are 0kB In-Reply-To: from "Harry Putnam" at Oct 16, 2003 05:54:19 AM Message-ID: <200310161054.h9GAswM21216@garfield.bwh.harvard.edu> > "Jaap A. Haitsma" writes: > > > I noticed since the up2date channel has changed to the yum rawhide > > channel that when up2date presents you the list of all packages that > > can be upgraded it says that all packages are 0kB. Anybody else seeing > > it? Is this a bug or just a "feature" of yum? > > What does OkB mean? 0 kB. It also says, while downloading each package, "package already downloaded" or something to that effect. I see it too. From seyman at wanadoo.fr Thu Oct 16 11:07:19 2003 From: seyman at wanadoo.fr (Emmanuel Seyman) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 13:07:19 +0200 Subject: Postfix issues In-Reply-To: <20031016104603.61493.qmail@web60005.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20031016104603.61493.qmail@web60005.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20031016110719.GA12629@orient.maison> On Thu, Oct 16, 2003 at 03:46:03AM -0700, Scott Ware wrote: > > I have recently installed the new test version of > Fedora Core (3). And I am having issues with postfix. > I can send mail out just fine, but cannot receive any. Are we talking about receiving ala fetchmail or the standard SMTP thing? > I am not getting return messages or failure to deliver > when I send to my fedora box...it's like they just > dissapear? What does /var/log/maillog say? Emmanuel From waresd at yahoo.com Thu Oct 16 11:13:11 2003 From: waresd at yahoo.com (Scott Ware) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 04:13:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Postfix issues In-Reply-To: <20031016110719.GA12629@orient.maison> Message-ID: <20031016111311.68567.qmail@web60004.mail.yahoo.com> Basically, receiving via SMTP. I have checked in the /var/log/maillog file, here is some of the output: Oct 15 21:25:34 server01 postfix/nqmgr[4617]: 4ED3148C994: from=, size=554, nrcpt=1 (queue active) Oct 15 21:25:35 server01 postfix/smtp[5203]: connect to mail.eardown.com[12.245. 85.235]: Connection refused (port 25) Oct 15 21:25:35 server01 postfix/smtp[5203]: 4ED3148C994: to=, relay=none, delay=23335, status=deferred (connect to mail.eardown.com[12. 245.85.235]: Connection refused) Oct 15 22:32:14 server01 postfix/nqmgr[4617]: 4ED3148C994: from=, size=554, nrcpt=1 (queue active) Oct 15 22:32:14 server01 postfix/smtp[5261]: connect to mail.eardown.com[12.245. 85.235]: Connection refused (port 25) Oct 15 22:32:14 server01 postfix/smtp[5261]: 4ED3148C994: to=, relay=none, delay=27334, status=deferred (connect to mail.eardown.com[12. 245.85.235]: Connection refused) Oct 15 23:38:54 server01 postfix/nqmgr[4617]: 4ED3148C994: from=, size=554, nrcpt=1 (queue active) Oct 15 23:38:54 server01 postfix/smtp[5296]: connect to mail.eardown.com[12.245. 85.235]: Connection refused (port 25) Oct 15 23:38:54 server01 postfix/smtp[5296]: 4ED3148C994: to=, relay=none, delay=31334, status=deferred (connect to mail.eardown.com[12. 245.85.235]: Connection refused) Oct 16 00:45:34 server01 postfix/nqmgr[4617]: 4ED3148C994: from=, size=554, nrcpt=1 (queue active) Oct 16 00:45:34 server01 postfix/smtp[5332]: connect to mail.eardown.com[12.245. 85.235]: Connection refused (port 25) Oct 16 00:45:34 server01 postfix/smtp[5332]: 4ED3148C994: to=, relay=none, delay=35334, status=deferred (connect to mail.eardown.com[12. 245.85.235]: Connection refused) Oct 16 01:52:14 server01 postfix/nqmgr[4617]: 4ED3148C994: from=, size=554, nrcpt=1 (queue active) Oct 16 01:52:15 server01 postfix/smtp[5367]: connect to mail.eardown.com[12.245. 85.235]: Connection refused (port 25) Oct 16 01:52:15 server01 postfix/smtp[5367]: 4ED3148C994: to=, relay=none, delay=39335, status=deferred (connect to mail.eardown.com[12. 245.85.235]: Connection refused) Oct 16 02:58:54 server01 postfix/nqmgr[4617]: 4ED3148C994: from=, size=554, nrcpt=1 (queue active) Oct 16 02:58:54 server01 postfix/smtp[5403]: connect to mail.eardown.com[12.245. 85.235]: Connection refused (port 25) Oct 16 02:58:54 server01 postfix/smtp[5403]: 4ED3148C994: to=, relay=none, delay=43334, status=deferred (connect to mail.eardown.com[12. 245.85.235]: Connection refused) Oct 16 02:58:55 server01 postfix/nqmgr[4617]: 4ED3148C994: from=, size=554, nrcpt=1 (queue active) Oct 16 02:58:56 server01 postfix/smtp[5403]: connect to mail.eardown.com[12.245. 85.235]: Connection refused (port 25) Oct 16 02:58:56 server01 postfix/smtp[5403]: 4ED3148C994: to=, relay=none, delay=43336, status=deferred (connect to mail.eardown.com[12. 245.85.235]: Connection refused) Oct 16 04:02:05 server01 sendmail[5683]: h9G825FC005683: from=root, size=17858, class=0, nrcpts=1, msgid=<200310160802.h9G825FC005683 at server01.eardown.com>, rel ay=root at localhost Oct 16 04:02:05 server01 postfix/smtpd[5686]: connect from localhost[127.0.0.1] Oct 16 04:02:05 server01 postfix/smtpd[5686]: DD54B48C9A1: client=localhost[127. 0.0.1] Oct 16 04:02:05 server01 postfix/cleanup[5688]: DD54B48C9A1: message-id=<2003101 60802.h9G825FC005683 at server01.eardown.com> Oct 16 04:02:05 server01 postfix/nqmgr[4617]: DD54B48C9A1: from=, size=18882, nrcpt=1 (queue active) Oct 16 04:02:05 server01 sendmail[5683]: h9G825FC005683: to=root, ctladdr=root ( 0/0), delay=00:00:00, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=relay, pri=47858, relay=[127.0.0.1 ] [127.0.0.1], dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent (Ok: queued as DD54B48C9A1) Oct 16 04:02:06 server01 postfix/smtpd[5686]: disconnect from localhost[127.0.0. 1] Oct 16 04:02:06 server01 postfix/local[5691]: DD54B48C9A1: to=, relay=local, delay=1, status=sent (maildir) Oct 16 04:22:14 server01 postfix/nqmgr[4617]: 4ED3148C994: from=, size=554, nrcpt=1 (queue active) Oct 16 04:22:14 server01 postfix/smtp[6132]: connect to mail.eardown.com[12.245. 85.235]: Connection refused (port 25) Oct 16 04:22:14 server01 postfix/smtp[6132]: 4ED3148C994: to=, relay=none, delay=48334, status=deferred (connect to mail.eardown.com[12. 245.85.235]: Connection refused) Oct 16 05:28:54 server01 postfix/nqmgr[4617]: 4ED3148C994: from=, size=554, nrcpt=1 (queue active) Oct 16 05:28:54 server01 postfix/smtp[6166]: connect to mail.eardown.com[12.245. 85.235]: Connection refused (port 25) Oct 16 05:28:54 server01 postfix/smtp[6166]: 4ED3148C994: to=, relay=none, delay=52334, status=deferred (connect to mail.eardown.com[12. 245.85.235]: Connection refused) Oct 16 06:35:34 server01 postfix/nqmgr[4617]: 4ED3148C994: from=, size=554, nrcpt=1 (queue active) Oct 16 06:35:34 server01 postfix/smtp[6203]: connect to mail.eardown.com[12.245. 85.235]: Connection refused (port 25) Oct 16 06:35:35 server01 postfix/smtp[6203]: 4ED3148C994: to=, relay=none, delay=56334, status=deferred (connect to mail.eardown.com[12. 245.85.235]: Connection refused) Oct 16 07:01:20 server01 imap-login: Login: admin [127.0.0.1] Oct 16 07:02:27 server01 last message repeated 7 times Oct 16 07:03:45 server01 last message repeated 3 times --- Emmanuel Seyman wrote: > On Thu, Oct 16, 2003 at 03:46:03AM -0700, Scott Ware > wrote: > > > > I have recently installed the new test version of > > Fedora Core (3). And I am having issues with > postfix. > > I can send mail out just fine, but cannot receive > any. > > Are we talking about receiving ala fetchmail or the > standard SMTP thing? > > > I am not getting return messages or failure to > deliver > > when I send to my fedora box...it's like they just > > dissapear? > > What does /var/log/maillog say? > > Emmanuel > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From akabi at speakeasy.net Thu Oct 16 11:50:26 2003 From: akabi at speakeasy.net (ne...) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 07:50:26 -0400 (EDT) Subject: up2date -p with yum In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Oct 15, 2003 at 23:04, Jason in a soothing rage wrote: >What is the equivelant of up2date -p when using in conjunction with yum. It >spits out a message something about not having an online profile when using >yum (sorry im not in front of the system, I can get it if necessary) > >Long story short when I run up2date it keeps trying to download packages >because it believes I have outdated versions installed and then fails to >install them because I already have current versions installed. up2date -p >doesn't fix it (for the obvious reason mentioned about), but wondering what >the equivelant action is. If you are using FC test 3, you'll note that up2date now picks up rpms from http://ftp.redhat.com/pub/redhat/linux/rawhide as opposed to http://download.fedora.us/fedora/redhat/0.95/$ARCH/yum/os. The rawhide repository does not work of profiles as such you really can't update your profile. Note that before you had to have registered with RHN before you could use up2date. With the way it is set up now you don't need to register. I assume that when FC1 is released, this will change. -- Registered Linux User # 125653 (http://counter.li.org) Switch to: http://www.speakeasy.net/refer/190653 Many a writer seems to think he is never profound except when he can't understand his own meaning. -- George D. Prentice 07:46:19 up 52 days, 19:20, 5 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 From akabi at speakeasy.net Thu Oct 16 12:04:43 2003 From: akabi at speakeasy.net (ne...) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 08:04:43 -0400 (EDT) Subject: The "top" utility returns bogus summary info for CPU usage In-Reply-To: <1066291051.10540.4.camel@hqs35256> References: <1066291051.10540.4.camel@hqs35256> Message-ID: On Oct 16, 2003 at 03:57, Marcus O. White in a soothing rage wrote: >G'day, > >Has anyone else noticed that top when run in a gui window displays >zeroes for CPU usage in the summary section. The details appear to be >ok. See below: Yep. me too. This should already have been filed n bugzilla. -- Registered Linux User # 125653 (http://counter.li.org) Switch to: http://www.speakeasy.net/refer/190653 Hard work never killed anybody, but why take a chance? -- Charlie McCarthy 08:02:13 up 52 days, 19:36, 5 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 From nbecker at hns.com Thu Oct 16 12:04:36 2003 From: nbecker at hns.com (Neal D. Becker) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 08:04:36 -0400 Subject: Install only offers ext2/3? Message-ID: <200310160804.37026.nbecker@hns.com> I just did a clean install. I chose manual partitioning. I noticed that only ext2/3 install was offered. What about xfs, reiserfs, etc? From akabi at speakeasy.net Thu Oct 16 12:07:26 2003 From: akabi at speakeasy.net (ne...) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 08:07:26 -0400 (EDT) Subject: apt vs yum In-Reply-To: References: <20031016080606.GA4871@ee.oulu.fi> Message-ID: On Oct 16, 2003 at 21:14, Mark Derricutt in a soothing rage wrote: >Speaking of yum server setups, anyone know of any HOWTO guides on setting >up a yum repository? I've got a few rpms I'm building and was thinking >of apt-ifying, but wouldn't mind checking out yum... http://www.fedora.us/wiki/FedoraDocuments -- Registered Linux User # 125653 (http://counter.li.org) Switch to: http://www.speakeasy.net/refer/190653 In every hierarchy the cream rises until it sours. -- Dr. Laurence J. Peter 08:05:44 up 52 days, 19:40, 5 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 From Mauri.Sahlberg at claymountain.com Thu Oct 16 12:10:00 2003 From: Mauri.Sahlberg at claymountain.com (Mauri Sahlberg) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 15:10:00 +0300 Subject: Dia 0.91 and text tool problems In-Reply-To: <1066298196.20063.271.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1066294927.17976.12.camel@taekwondo> <1066298196.20063.271.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1066306200.17976.15.camel@taekwondo> to, 2003-10-16 kello 12:56, Alexander Larsson kirjoitti: > On Thu, 2003-10-16 at 11:02, Mauri Sahlberg wrote: > > Any ideas what might be the solution? > > Try dia-0.91-3, i think this should be fixed. > Thanks. Dia-0.91-3 fixed the problem. -- Mauri Sahlberg Pretax Systems Oy From paul at frields.com Thu Oct 16 12:12:13 2003 From: paul at frields.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: 16 Oct 2003 08:12:13 -0400 Subject: AMD Athlon64 Systems -- dual-940 boards with AGP+PCI-X are still costly ... In-Reply-To: <1066282635.23014.23.camel@binkley> References: <3F8E121B.2020103@speakeasy.net> <1066278620.1140.127.camel@bitman.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> <1066278706.23014.11.camel@binkley> <1066281714.1140.132.camel@bitman.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> <1066282635.23014.23.camel@binkley> Message-ID: <1066306333.21319.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2003-10-16 at 01:37, seth vidal wrote: > > But if you really wanted stability, you should have gone with a Tyan > > Thunder product. > > We evaluated them - getting the tyan thunders inside a rackmount case is > nontrivial - and the additional cost for 'server features' really made > little sense for a beowulf node. I have a close associate who uses a large number of 1U, half-depth rack systems that contain Tyan Thunder K7 dual-AthlonMP boards in a Beowulf cluster. (I.e. he gets 4 CPU's per full depth 1U space.) His office has had zero problems with them, and we are expecting a large shipment of these units as well. We ordered these systems with dual 2800+ CPU's, and the thermals on them are simply superb. These systems were *extremely* competitively priced and featured. We bought them from a company called HPC Systems, but I am under the impression that their supplier is going to stop (or has stopped) offering this particular configuration. I would be very surprised if they didn't come up with a competitive configuration in the Athlon64; they already have a similar setup for Opterons, IIRC. -- Paul W. Frields From teg at pvv.org Thu Oct 16 12:12:32 2003 From: teg at pvv.org (Trond Eivind =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Glomsr=F8d?=) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 14:12:32 +0200 Subject: Install only offers ext2/3? In-Reply-To: <200310160804.37026.nbecker@hns.com> References: <200310160804.37026.nbecker@hns.com> Message-ID: <1066306352.10028.0.camel@pc-32.office.scali.no> On Thu, 2003-10-16 at 14:04, Neal D. Becker wrote: > I just did a clean install. I chose manual partitioning. I noticed that only > ext2/3 install was offered. What about xfs, reiserfs, etc? linux jfs linux reiserfs will enable those during install. From monty19 at hotmail.com Thu Oct 16 12:09:03 2003 From: monty19 at hotmail.com (Jason Montleon) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 08:09:03 -0400 Subject: up2date -p with yum Message-ID: Justin Georgeson wrote: not sure on this one other than to say there have been a few threads of people saying it installs multiple versions of the same software. You might look at 'up2date --configure' for relevant options. Have a look in the archives for the recent threads. This may have been what happened. It is impossible to tell now, but what I ended up doing in order to resolve the problem was rpm -e mozilla-nspr (same for mozilla-nss mozilla and vim-common; i.e. all the affected packages) I initially received a message to the effect 'mozilla-nspr refers to multiple packages'. I was a little baffled by that so I ran it again and it went like normal. I then did 'up2date mozilla-nspr' (same for all the others with each of these commands as well), and that ended my trouble. From paul at frields.com Thu Oct 16 12:18:31 2003 From: paul at frields.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: 16 Oct 2003 08:18:31 -0400 Subject: No graphical install using `install from hdd' In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1066306710.21319.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2003-10-16 at 06:48, Harry Putnam wrote: > Installing from hard disk doesn't allow a graphical install. Is that > supposed to be the case? I think that has been the case for some time in the Red Hat Linux products. Aside from the pretty graphics (and enjoyable propaganda) it doesn't cost you much in the way of functionality. -- Paul W. Frields From seyman at wanadoo.fr Thu Oct 16 12:21:50 2003 From: seyman at wanadoo.fr (Emmanuel Seyman) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 14:21:50 +0200 Subject: Postfix issues In-Reply-To: <20031016111311.68567.qmail@web60004.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20031016110719.GA12629@orient.maison> <20031016111311.68567.qmail@web60004.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20031016122150.GA6046@orient.maison> On Thu, Oct 16, 2003 at 04:13:11AM -0700, Scott Ware wrote: > > Basically, receiving via SMTP. I have checked in the > /var/log/maillog file, here is some of the output: Oct 15 22:32:14 server01 postfix/nqmgr[4617]: 4ED3148C994: from=, size=554, nrcpt=1 (queue active) Oct 15 22:32:14 server01 postfix/smtp[5261]: connect to mail.eardown.com[12.245.85.235]: Connection refused (port 25) Oct 15 22:32:14 server01 postfix/smtp[5261]: 4ED3148C994: to=, relay=none, delay=27334, status=deferred (connect to mail.eardown.com[12.245.85.235]: Connection refused) Okay, the mail you're sending from the root account is going to scott at mail.eardown.com but the mail server for mail.eardown.com isn't responding. This isn't your machine's fault and this will happen to anybody who tries to send them mail. Emmanuel From Mauri.Sahlberg at claymountain.com Thu Oct 16 12:23:40 2003 From: Mauri.Sahlberg at claymountain.com (Mauri Sahlberg) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 15:23:40 +0300 Subject: up2date -p with yum In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1066307020.17976.23.camel@taekwondo> to, 2003-10-16 kello 14:50, ne... kirjoitti: > If you are using FC test 3, you'll note that up2date now picks up > rpms from http://ftp.redhat.com/pub/redhat/linux/rawhide as opposed > to http://download.fedora.us/fedora/redhat/0.95/$ARCH/yum/os. The > rawhide repository does not work of profiles as such you really > can't update your profile. Note that before you had to have registered > with RHN before you could use up2date. With the way it is set up now > you don't need to register. I assume that when FC1 is released, this > will change. This explains why there is no channel for 0.95 in RHN.;) This is probably either "RTFM question" or "not even possible to do without serious coding question" but how do you configure RHN Alert Notification Tool to notify against rawhide? -- Mauri Sahlberg Pretax Systems Oy From waresd at yahoo.com Thu Oct 16 12:29:02 2003 From: waresd at yahoo.com (Scott Ware) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 05:29:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Postfix issues In-Reply-To: <20031016122150.GA6046@orient.maison> Message-ID: <20031016122902.88052.qmail@web60004.mail.yahoo.com> I don't understand why my machine is refusing the connections. I have port 25, 110 open through my firewall on my fedora box. I've even disabled the firewall, and it still is not working. Is there something screwy with my postfix install do you think? --- Emmanuel Seyman wrote: > On Thu, Oct 16, 2003 at 04:13:11AM -0700, Scott Ware > wrote: > > > > Basically, receiving via SMTP. I have checked in > the > > /var/log/maillog file, here is some of the output: > > Oct 15 22:32:14 server01 postfix/nqmgr[4617]: > 4ED3148C994: from=, > size=554, nrcpt=1 (queue active) > Oct 15 22:32:14 server01 postfix/smtp[5261]: connect > to mail.eardown.com[12.245.85.235]: Connection > refused (port 25) > Oct 15 22:32:14 server01 postfix/smtp[5261]: > 4ED3148C994: to=, > relay=none, delay=27334, status=deferred > (connect to mail.eardown.com[12.245.85.235]: > Connection refused) > > Okay, the mail you're sending from the root account > is going to scott at > mail.eardown.com but the mail server for > mail.eardown.com isn't responding. > This isn't your machine's fault and this will happen > to anybody who tries > to send them mail. > > Emmanuel > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From waresd at yahoo.com Thu Oct 16 12:02:29 2003 From: waresd at yahoo.com (Scott Ware) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 05:02:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Postfix issues In-Reply-To: <20031016122150.GA6046@orient.maison> Message-ID: <20031016120229.39421.qmail@web60006.mail.yahoo.com> And the other weird thing is that when I was running RedHat 9, I have everything setup the same way, and it was working then. I know that in fedora, postfix has been compiled with the chrooted' environment off...could this be why? I doubt it...but that is the only thing that really has changed...outside of the OS version. --- Emmanuel Seyman wrote: > On Thu, Oct 16, 2003 at 04:13:11AM -0700, Scott Ware > wrote: > > > > Basically, receiving via SMTP. I have checked in > the > > /var/log/maillog file, here is some of the output: > > Oct 15 22:32:14 server01 postfix/nqmgr[4617]: > 4ED3148C994: from=, > size=554, nrcpt=1 (queue active) > Oct 15 22:32:14 server01 postfix/smtp[5261]: connect > to mail.eardown.com[12.245.85.235]: Connection > refused (port 25) > Oct 15 22:32:14 server01 postfix/smtp[5261]: > 4ED3148C994: to=, > relay=none, delay=27334, status=deferred > (connect to mail.eardown.com[12.245.85.235]: > Connection refused) > > Okay, the mail you're sending from the root account > is going to scott at > mail.eardown.com but the mail server for > mail.eardown.com isn't responding. > This isn't your machine's fault and this will happen > to anybody who tries > to send them mail. > > Emmanuel > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From nbecker at hns.com Thu Oct 16 12:37:14 2003 From: nbecker at hns.com (Neal D. Becker) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 08:37:14 -0400 Subject: Install only offers ext2/3? In-Reply-To: <1066306352.10028.0.camel@pc-32.office.scali.no> References: <200310160804.37026.nbecker@hns.com> <1066306352.10028.0.camel@pc-32.office.scali.no> Message-ID: <200310160837.14949.nbecker@hns.com> On Thursday 16 October 2003 08:12 am, Trond Eivind Glomsr?d wrote: > On Thu, 2003-10-16 at 14:04, Neal D. Becker wrote: > > I just did a clean install. I chose manual partitioning. I noticed that > > only ext2/3 install was offered. What about xfs, reiserfs, etc? > > linux jfs > > linux reiserfs > > will enable those during install. > Thanks. Still, I think it would be better if these options were more visible. From roger at gwch.net Thu Oct 16 12:39:00 2003 From: roger at gwch.net (Grosswiler Roger) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 14:39:00 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Postfix issues In-Reply-To: <20031016122902.88052.qmail@web60004.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20031016122150.GA6046@orient.maison> <20031016122902.88052.qmail@web60004.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <19526.62.2.21.164.1066307940.squirrel@www.gwch.net> have a look at your /etc/postfix/main.cf: you will find some lines in there called #inet_interfaces = localhost inet_interfaces = all #inet_interfaces = $myhostname #inet_interfaces = $myhostname, localhost ook prefereably, that inet_interfaces = all is uncommented as above, it it isn't it might be possible that postfix listens in nowhere....with inet_interfaces = all you tell postfix to listen to all interfaces you can find via /sbin/ifconfig. Let me know, whether it's this or not. Cheers, Roger > I don't understand why my machine is refusing the > connections. I have port 25, 110 open through my > firewall on my fedora box. I've even disabled the > firewall, and it still is not working. Is there > something screwy with my postfix install do you think? > --- Emmanuel Seyman wrote: >> On Thu, Oct 16, 2003 at 04:13:11AM -0700, Scott Ware >> wrote: >> > >> > Basically, receiving via SMTP. I have checked in >> the >> > /var/log/maillog file, here is some of the output: >> >> Oct 15 22:32:14 server01 postfix/nqmgr[4617]: >> 4ED3148C994: from=, >> size=554, nrcpt=1 (queue active) >> Oct 15 22:32:14 server01 postfix/smtp[5261]: connect >> to mail.eardown.com[12.245.85.235]: Connection >> refused (port 25) >> Oct 15 22:32:14 server01 postfix/smtp[5261]: >> 4ED3148C994: to=, >> relay=none, delay=27334, status=deferred >> (connect to mail.eardown.com[12.245.85.235]: >> Connection refused) >> >> Okay, the mail you're sending from the root account >> is going to scott at >> mail.eardown.com but the mail server for >> mail.eardown.com isn't responding. >> This isn't your machine's fault and this will happen >> to anybody who tries >> to send them mail. >> >> Emmanuel >> >> >> -- >> fedora-test-list mailing list >> fedora-test-list at redhat.com >> > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search > http://shopping.yahoo.com > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > From nosp at xades.com Thu Oct 16 12:41:16 2003 From: nosp at xades.com (nosp) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 13:41:16 +0100 Subject: AMD Athlon64 Systems -- dual-940 boards with AGP+PCI-X are still costly ... In-Reply-To: <3F8E6AB7.1070900@togami.com> References: <3F8E121B.2020103@speakeasy.net> <1066278620.1140.127.camel@bitman.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> <1066278706.23014.11.camel@binkley> <1066281714.1140.132.camel@bitman.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> <1066282635.23014.23.camel@binkley> <3F8E603F.1020106@reuel.net> <3F8E6AB7.1070900@togami.com> Message-ID: <1066308076.9735.4.camel@earth.xades.com> On Thu, 2003-10-16 at 10:53, Warren Togami wrote: > Right now the tests I could think of include: > > * openssl "speed" test > * oggenc > > Any other suggestions? kernel compile? For form's sake: (will mostly be exercising 32bit capabilities, but) bonnie++ bootup time (hopefully you won't be doing too much of this :)) shutdown time quake3 timedemo bogomips :) From waresd at yahoo.com Thu Oct 16 12:41:29 2003 From: waresd at yahoo.com (Scott Ware) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 05:41:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Postfix issues In-Reply-To: <19526.62.2.21.164.1066307940.squirrel@www.gwch.net> Message-ID: <20031016124129.91501.qmail@web60004.mail.yahoo.com> I have the inet_interfaces = all uncommented. I was searching on the internet, and found this article in another mailing list...possibly could be a problem with how my firewall is setup: (looks like this guy had the same problem as I am having) http://archives.neohapsis.com/archives/postfix/2000-07/0661.html --- Grosswiler Roger wrote: > have a look at your /etc/postfix/main.cf: you will > find some lines in > there called > > #inet_interfaces = localhost > inet_interfaces = all > #inet_interfaces = $myhostname > #inet_interfaces = $myhostname, localhost > > ook prefereably, that inet_interfaces = all is > uncommented as above, it it > isn't it might be possible that postfix listens in > nowhere....with > inet_interfaces = all you tell postfix to listen to > all interfaces you can > find via /sbin/ifconfig. > > Let me know, whether it's this or not. > > Cheers, > Roger > > > > I don't understand why my machine is refusing the > > connections. I have port 25, 110 open through my > > firewall on my fedora box. I've even disabled the > > firewall, and it still is not working. Is there > > something screwy with my postfix install do you > think? > > --- Emmanuel Seyman wrote: > >> On Thu, Oct 16, 2003 at 04:13:11AM -0700, Scott > Ware > >> wrote: > >> > > >> > Basically, receiving via SMTP. I have checked > in > >> the > >> > /var/log/maillog file, here is some of the > output: > >> > >> Oct 15 22:32:14 server01 postfix/nqmgr[4617]: > >> 4ED3148C994: from=, > >> size=554, nrcpt=1 (queue active) > >> Oct 15 22:32:14 server01 postfix/smtp[5261]: > connect > >> to mail.eardown.com[12.245.85.235]: Connection > >> refused (port 25) > >> Oct 15 22:32:14 server01 postfix/smtp[5261]: > >> 4ED3148C994: to=, > >> relay=none, delay=27334, status=deferred > >> (connect to mail.eardown.com[12.245.85.235]: > >> Connection refused) > >> > >> Okay, the mail you're sending from the root > account > >> is going to scott at > >> mail.eardown.com but the mail server for > >> mail.eardown.com isn't responding. > >> This isn't your machine's fault and this will > happen > >> to anybody who tries > >> to send them mail. > >> > >> Emmanuel > >> > >> > >> -- > >> fedora-test-list mailing list > >> fedora-test-list at redhat.com > >> > > > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product > search > > http://shopping.yahoo.com > > > > > > -- > > fedora-test-list mailing list > > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > > > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From waresd at yahoo.com Thu Oct 16 12:45:43 2003 From: waresd at yahoo.com (Scott Ware) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 05:45:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Postfix issues In-Reply-To: <19526.62.2.21.164.1066307940.squirrel@www.gwch.net> Message-ID: <20031016124543.68267.qmail@web60001.mail.yahoo.com> Ok...I have found the problem, thanks for pointing this out: in the main.cf file, I had inet_interfaces = all uncommented, as well as inet_interfaces = localhost. I commented-out the inet_interfaces = localhost, so that only the inet_interfaces = all is left, and that fixed my problem. --- Grosswiler Roger wrote: > have a look at your /etc/postfix/main.cf: you will > find some lines in > there called > > #inet_interfaces = localhost > inet_interfaces = all > #inet_interfaces = $myhostname > #inet_interfaces = $myhostname, localhost > > ook prefereably, that inet_interfaces = all is > uncommented as above, it it > isn't it might be possible that postfix listens in > nowhere....with > inet_interfaces = all you tell postfix to listen to > all interfaces you can > find via /sbin/ifconfig. > > Let me know, whether it's this or not. > > Cheers, > Roger > > > > I don't understand why my machine is refusing the > > connections. I have port 25, 110 open through my > > firewall on my fedora box. I've even disabled the > > firewall, and it still is not working. Is there > > something screwy with my postfix install do you > think? > > --- Emmanuel Seyman wrote: > >> On Thu, Oct 16, 2003 at 04:13:11AM -0700, Scott > Ware > >> wrote: > >> > > >> > Basically, receiving via SMTP. I have checked > in > >> the > >> > /var/log/maillog file, here is some of the > output: > >> > >> Oct 15 22:32:14 server01 postfix/nqmgr[4617]: > >> 4ED3148C994: from=, > >> size=554, nrcpt=1 (queue active) > >> Oct 15 22:32:14 server01 postfix/smtp[5261]: > connect > >> to mail.eardown.com[12.245.85.235]: Connection > >> refused (port 25) > >> Oct 15 22:32:14 server01 postfix/smtp[5261]: > >> 4ED3148C994: to=, > >> relay=none, delay=27334, status=deferred > >> (connect to mail.eardown.com[12.245.85.235]: > >> Connection refused) > >> > >> Okay, the mail you're sending from the root > account > >> is going to scott at > >> mail.eardown.com but the mail server for > >> mail.eardown.com isn't responding. > >> This isn't your machine's fault and this will > happen > >> to anybody who tries > >> to send them mail. > >> > >> Emmanuel > >> > >> > >> -- > >> fedora-test-list mailing list > >> fedora-test-list at redhat.com > >> > > > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product > search > > http://shopping.yahoo.com > > > > > > -- > > fedora-test-list mailing list > > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > > > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From roger at gwch.net Thu Oct 16 12:47:17 2003 From: roger at gwch.net (Grosswiler Roger) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 14:47:17 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Postfix issues In-Reply-To: <19526.62.2.21.164.1066307940.squirrel@www.gwch.net> References: <20031016122150.GA6046@orient.maison> <20031016122902.88052.qmail@web60004.mail.yahoo.com> <19526.62.2.21.164.1066307940.squirrel@www.gwch.net> Message-ID: <35063.62.2.21.164.1066308437.squirrel@www.gwch.net> ah, yes and before i forget: the easiest way to test is: 'telnet localhost 25' - your smtp server should reply..if he does, type 'quit' and enter...if it works with localhost then try to telnet with your fqdn. Again cheers, Roger > have a look at your /etc/postfix/main.cf: you will find some lines in > there called > > #inet_interfaces = localhost > inet_interfaces = all > #inet_interfaces = $myhostname > #inet_interfaces = $myhostname, localhost > > ook prefereably, that inet_interfaces = all is uncommented as above, it it > isn't it might be possible that postfix listens in nowhere....with > inet_interfaces = all you tell postfix to listen to all interfaces you can > find via /sbin/ifconfig. > > Let me know, whether it's this or not. > > Cheers, > Roger > > >> I don't understand why my machine is refusing the >> connections. I have port 25, 110 open through my >> firewall on my fedora box. I've even disabled the >> firewall, and it still is not working. Is there >> something screwy with my postfix install do you think? >> --- Emmanuel Seyman wrote: >>> On Thu, Oct 16, 2003 at 04:13:11AM -0700, Scott Ware >>> wrote: >>> > >>> > Basically, receiving via SMTP. I have checked in >>> the >>> > /var/log/maillog file, here is some of the output: >>> >>> Oct 15 22:32:14 server01 postfix/nqmgr[4617]: >>> 4ED3148C994: from=, >>> size=554, nrcpt=1 (queue active) >>> Oct 15 22:32:14 server01 postfix/smtp[5261]: connect >>> to mail.eardown.com[12.245.85.235]: Connection >>> refused (port 25) >>> Oct 15 22:32:14 server01 postfix/smtp[5261]: >>> 4ED3148C994: to=, >>> relay=none, delay=27334, status=deferred >>> (connect to mail.eardown.com[12.245.85.235]: >>> Connection refused) >>> >>> Okay, the mail you're sending from the root account >>> is going to scott at >>> mail.eardown.com but the mail server for >>> mail.eardown.com isn't responding. >>> This isn't your machine's fault and this will happen >>> to anybody who tries >>> to send them mail. >>> >>> Emmanuel >>> >>> >>> -- >>> fedora-test-list mailing list >>> fedora-test-list at redhat.com >>> >> http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list >> >> >> __________________________________ >> Do you Yahoo!? >> The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search >> http://shopping.yahoo.com >> >> >> -- >> fedora-test-list mailing list >> fedora-test-list at redhat.com >> http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list >> > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > From roger at gwch.net Thu Oct 16 12:50:21 2003 From: roger at gwch.net (Grosswiler Roger) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 14:50:21 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Postfix issues In-Reply-To: <20031016124129.91501.qmail@web60004.mail.yahoo.com> References: <19526.62.2.21.164.1066307940.squirrel@www.gwch.net> <20031016124129.91501.qmail@web60004.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <40270.62.2.21.164.1066308621.squirrel@www.gwch.net> so, if you do 'iptables -L' can you see port 25??? > I have the inet_interfaces = all uncommented. I was > searching on the internet, and found this article in > another mailing list...possibly could be a problem > with how my firewall is setup: (looks like this guy > had the same problem as I am having) > > http://archives.neohapsis.com/archives/postfix/2000-07/0661.html > > > --- Grosswiler Roger wrote: >> have a look at your /etc/postfix/main.cf: you will >> find some lines in >> there called >> >> #inet_interfaces = localhost >> inet_interfaces = all >> #inet_interfaces = $myhostname >> #inet_interfaces = $myhostname, localhost >> >> ook prefereably, that inet_interfaces = all is >> uncommented as above, it it >> isn't it might be possible that postfix listens in >> nowhere....with >> inet_interfaces = all you tell postfix to listen to >> all interfaces you can >> find via /sbin/ifconfig. >> >> Let me know, whether it's this or not. >> >> Cheers, >> Roger >> >> >> > I don't understand why my machine is refusing the >> > connections. I have port 25, 110 open through my >> > firewall on my fedora box. I've even disabled the >> > firewall, and it still is not working. Is there >> > something screwy with my postfix install do you >> think? >> > --- Emmanuel Seyman wrote: >> >> On Thu, Oct 16, 2003 at 04:13:11AM -0700, Scott >> Ware >> >> wrote: >> >> > >> >> > Basically, receiving via SMTP. I have checked >> in >> >> the >> >> > /var/log/maillog file, here is some of the >> output: >> >> >> >> Oct 15 22:32:14 server01 postfix/nqmgr[4617]: >> >> 4ED3148C994: from=, >> >> size=554, nrcpt=1 (queue active) >> >> Oct 15 22:32:14 server01 postfix/smtp[5261]: >> connect >> >> to mail.eardown.com[12.245.85.235]: Connection >> >> refused (port 25) >> >> Oct 15 22:32:14 server01 postfix/smtp[5261]: >> >> 4ED3148C994: to=, >> >> relay=none, delay=27334, status=deferred >> >> (connect to mail.eardown.com[12.245.85.235]: >> >> Connection refused) >> >> >> >> Okay, the mail you're sending from the root >> account >> >> is going to scott at >> >> mail.eardown.com but the mail server for >> >> mail.eardown.com isn't responding. >> >> This isn't your machine's fault and this will >> happen >> >> to anybody who tries >> >> to send them mail. >> >> >> >> Emmanuel >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> fedora-test-list mailing list >> >> fedora-test-list at redhat.com >> >> >> > >> > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list >> > >> > >> > __________________________________ >> > Do you Yahoo!? >> > The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product >> search >> > http://shopping.yahoo.com >> > >> > >> > -- >> > fedora-test-list mailing list >> > fedora-test-list at redhat.com >> > >> > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list >> > >> >> >> -- >> fedora-test-list mailing list >> fedora-test-list at redhat.com >> > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search > http://shopping.yahoo.com > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > From roger at gwch.net Thu Oct 16 12:54:59 2003 From: roger at gwch.net (Grosswiler Roger) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 14:54:59 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Postfix issues In-Reply-To: <20031016124129.91501.qmail@web60004.mail.yahoo.com> References: <19526.62.2.21.164.1066307940.squirrel@www.gwch.net> <20031016124129.91501.qmail@web60004.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <47799.62.2.21.164.1066308899.squirrel@www.gwch.net> Excellent! If you have any more probs, let me know... cheers, Roger > I have the inet_interfaces = all uncommented. I was > searching on the internet, and found this article in > another mailing list...possibly could be a problem > with how my firewall is setup: (looks like this guy > had the same problem as I am having) > > http://archives.neohapsis.com/archives/postfix/2000-07/0661.html > > > --- Grosswiler Roger wrote: >> have a look at your /etc/postfix/main.cf: you will >> find some lines in >> there called >> >> #inet_interfaces = localhost >> inet_interfaces = all >> #inet_interfaces = $myhostname >> #inet_interfaces = $myhostname, localhost >> >> ook prefereably, that inet_interfaces = all is >> uncommented as above, it it >> isn't it might be possible that postfix listens in >> nowhere....with >> inet_interfaces = all you tell postfix to listen to >> all interfaces you can >> find via /sbin/ifconfig. >> >> Let me know, whether it's this or not. >> >> Cheers, >> Roger >> >> >> > I don't understand why my machine is refusing the >> > connections. I have port 25, 110 open through my >> > firewall on my fedora box. I've even disabled the >> > firewall, and it still is not working. Is there >> > something screwy with my postfix install do you >> think? >> > --- Emmanuel Seyman wrote: >> >> On Thu, Oct 16, 2003 at 04:13:11AM -0700, Scott >> Ware >> >> wrote: >> >> > >> >> > Basically, receiving via SMTP. I have checked >> in >> >> the >> >> > /var/log/maillog file, here is some of the >> output: >> >> >> >> Oct 15 22:32:14 server01 postfix/nqmgr[4617]: >> >> 4ED3148C994: from=, >> >> size=554, nrcpt=1 (queue active) >> >> Oct 15 22:32:14 server01 postfix/smtp[5261]: >> connect >> >> to mail.eardown.com[12.245.85.235]: Connection >> >> refused (port 25) >> >> Oct 15 22:32:14 server01 postfix/smtp[5261]: >> >> 4ED3148C994: to=, >> >> relay=none, delay=27334, status=deferred >> >> (connect to mail.eardown.com[12.245.85.235]: >> >> Connection refused) >> >> >> >> Okay, the mail you're sending from the root >> account >> >> is going to scott at >> >> mail.eardown.com but the mail server for >> >> mail.eardown.com isn't responding. >> >> This isn't your machine's fault and this will >> happen >> >> to anybody who tries >> >> to send them mail. >> >> >> >> Emmanuel >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> fedora-test-list mailing list >> >> fedora-test-list at redhat.com >> >> >> > >> > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list >> > >> > >> > __________________________________ >> > Do you Yahoo!? >> > The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product >> search >> > http://shopping.yahoo.com >> > >> > >> > -- >> > fedora-test-list mailing list >> > fedora-test-list at redhat.com >> > >> > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list >> > >> >> >> -- >> fedora-test-list mailing list >> fedora-test-list at redhat.com >> > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search > http://shopping.yahoo.com > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > From 64bit_fedora at comcast.net Thu Oct 16 12:59:27 2003 From: 64bit_fedora at comcast.net (Justin M. Forbes) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 07:59:27 -0500 (CDT) Subject: AMD Athlon64 Systems In-Reply-To: <3F8E121B.2020103@speakeasy.net> Message-ID: I am currently using an Athlon 64 with a generally working Fedora test 2 for 64bit. I will have the ISOs for Test 3 finished in the next day or 2, and will do an install test. Once I have verified installation, I will make the ISOs available. Currently, it is running the taroon kernel, but Fedora packages for most everything else. I am slowly working through the Fedora kernel compile issues for AMD64, and hope to have that kernel in my next set of ISOs after Core Release 1. Justin M. Forbes On Wed, 15 Oct 2003, Robert L Cochran wrote: > Is anyone using the AMD Athlon64? > > From waresd at yahoo.com Thu Oct 16 12:55:08 2003 From: waresd at yahoo.com (Scott Ware) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 05:55:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Postfix issues In-Reply-To: <47799.62.2.21.164.1066308899.squirrel@www.gwch.net> Message-ID: <20031016125508.93496.qmail@web60005.mail.yahoo.com> Thanks, I appreciate it :) --- Grosswiler Roger wrote: > Excellent! If you have any more probs, let me > know... > > cheers, > Roger > > > > I have the inet_interfaces = all uncommented. I > was > > searching on the internet, and found this article > in > > another mailing list...possibly could be a problem > > with how my firewall is setup: (looks like this > guy > > had the same problem as I am having) > > > > > http://archives.neohapsis.com/archives/postfix/2000-07/0661.html > > > > > > --- Grosswiler Roger wrote: > >> have a look at your /etc/postfix/main.cf: you > will > >> find some lines in > >> there called > >> > >> #inet_interfaces = localhost > >> inet_interfaces = all > >> #inet_interfaces = $myhostname > >> #inet_interfaces = $myhostname, localhost > >> > >> ook prefereably, that inet_interfaces = all is > >> uncommented as above, it it > >> isn't it might be possible that postfix listens > in > >> nowhere....with > >> inet_interfaces = all you tell postfix to listen > to > >> all interfaces you can > >> find via /sbin/ifconfig. > >> > >> Let me know, whether it's this or not. > >> > >> Cheers, > >> Roger > >> > >> > >> > I don't understand why my machine is refusing > the > >> > connections. I have port 25, 110 open through > my > >> > firewall on my fedora box. I've even disabled > the > >> > firewall, and it still is not working. Is there > >> > something screwy with my postfix install do you > >> think? > >> > --- Emmanuel Seyman wrote: > >> >> On Thu, Oct 16, 2003 at 04:13:11AM -0700, > Scott > >> Ware > >> >> wrote: > >> >> > > >> >> > Basically, receiving via SMTP. I have > checked > >> in > >> >> the > >> >> > /var/log/maillog file, here is some of the > >> output: > >> >> > >> >> Oct 15 22:32:14 server01 postfix/nqmgr[4617]: > >> >> 4ED3148C994: > from=, > >> >> size=554, nrcpt=1 (queue active) > >> >> Oct 15 22:32:14 server01 postfix/smtp[5261]: > >> connect > >> >> to mail.eardown.com[12.245.85.235]: Connection > >> >> refused (port 25) > >> >> Oct 15 22:32:14 server01 postfix/smtp[5261]: > >> >> 4ED3148C994: to=, > >> >> relay=none, delay=27334, status=deferred > >> >> (connect to mail.eardown.com[12.245.85.235]: > >> >> Connection refused) > >> >> > >> >> Okay, the mail you're sending from the root > >> account > >> >> is going to scott at > >> >> mail.eardown.com but the mail server for > >> >> mail.eardown.com isn't responding. > >> >> This isn't your machine's fault and this will > >> happen > >> >> to anybody who tries > >> >> to send them mail. > >> >> > >> >> Emmanuel > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> -- > >> >> fedora-test-list mailing list > >> >> fedora-test-list at redhat.com > >> >> > >> > > >> > > > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > >> > > >> > > >> > __________________________________ > >> > Do you Yahoo!? > >> > The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product > >> search > >> > http://shopping.yahoo.com > >> > > >> > > >> > -- > >> > fedora-test-list mailing list > >> > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > >> > > >> > > > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > >> > > >> > >> > >> -- > >> fedora-test-list mailing list > >> fedora-test-list at redhat.com > >> > > > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product > search > > http://shopping.yahoo.com > > > > > > -- > > fedora-test-list mailing list > > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > > > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From maxx at krakoa.dk Thu Oct 16 13:01:43 2003 From: maxx at krakoa.dk (Mads Villadsen) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 15:01:43 +0200 Subject: Unsigned packages Message-ID: <1066309303.3925.28.camel@pc803.statsbiblioteket.dk> I installed all the RPM-GPG keys from fedora-release 0.95, and then went on to an apt-get dist-upgrade to rawhide from redhat 9. However there are several packages that are apparently unsigned. Any suggestions? Checking GPG signatures... Unsigned /var/cache/apt/archives/mozilla-nss_37%3a1.4.1-10_i386.rpm: sha1 md5 OK Unsigned /var/cache/apt/archives/mozilla-nspr-devel_37%3a1.4.1-10_i386.rpm: sha1 md5 OK Unsigned /var/cache/apt/archives/mozilla-nspr_37%3a1.4.1-10_i386.rpm: sha1 md5 OK Unsigned /var/cache/apt/archives/mozilla-devel_37%3a1.4.1-10_i386.rpm: sha1 md5 OK Unsigned /var/cache/apt/archives/mozilla_37%3a1.4.1-10_i386.rpm: sha1 md5 OK Unsigned /var/cache/apt/archives/mozilla-chat_37%3a1.4.1-10_i386.rpm: sha1 md5 OK Unsigned /var/cache/apt/archives/mozilla-mail_37%3a1.4.1-10_i386.rpm: sha1 md5 OK Unsigned /var/cache/apt/archives/mozilla-dom-inspector_37%3a1.4.1-10_i386.rpm: sha1 md5 OK Unsigned /var/cache/apt/archives/mozilla-js-debugger_37%3a1.4.1-10_i386.rpm: sha1 md5 OK Unsigned /var/cache/apt/archives/grub_0.93-7_i386.rpm: sha1 md5 OK Unsigned /var/cache/apt/archives/up2date-gnome_4.1.7-1_i386.rpm: sha1 md5 OK Unsigned /var/cache/apt/archives/up2date_4.1.7-1_i386.rpm: sha1 md5 OK Unsigned /var/cache/apt/archives/gdm_1%3a2.4.4.3-7_i386.rpm: sha1 md5 OK Unsigned /var/cache/apt/archives/redhat-config-kickstart_2.4.2-1_noarch.rpm: sha1 md5 OK Unsigned /var/cache/apt/archives/mozilla-nss-devel_37%3a1.4.1-10_i386.rpm: sha1 md5 OK E: Error: 15 unsigned packages 0 unknown signatures 0 illegal/corrupted signatures From sopwith at redhat.com Thu Oct 16 13:10:33 2003 From: sopwith at redhat.com (Elliot Lee) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 09:10:33 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Unsigned packages In-Reply-To: <1066309303.3925.28.camel@pc803.statsbiblioteket.dk> Message-ID: On Thu, 16 Oct 2003, Mads Villadsen wrote: > I installed all the RPM-GPG keys from fedora-release 0.95, and then went > on to an apt-get dist-upgrade to rawhide from redhat 9. > > However there are several packages that are apparently unsigned. > > Any suggestions? Packages get pushed to rawhide automatically, but the signing has to be done manually, so usually a few slip through. This will be fixed in the long run, but for now there's nothing much to do. :( -- Elliot Millions long for immortality who do not know what to do with themselves on a rainy Sunday afternoon. From dsavage at peaknet.net Thu Oct 16 13:08:18 2003 From: dsavage at peaknet.net (Robert G. (Doc) Savage) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 08:08:18 -0500 Subject: AMD Athlon64 Systems -- dual-940 boards with AGP+PCI-X are still costly ... In-Reply-To: <3F8E603F.1020106@reuel.net> References: <3F8E121B.2020103@speakeasy.net> <1066278620.1140.127.camel@bitman.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> <1066278706.23014.11.camel@binkley> <1066281714.1140.132.camel@bitman.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> <1066282635.23014.23.camel@binkley> <3F8E603F.1020106@reuel.net> Message-ID: <1066309698.3906.74.camel@lioness.thunderpurr.net> On Thu, 2003-10-16 at 04:09, leam wrote: > seth vidal wrote: > > On Thu, 2003-10-16 at 01:21, Bryan J. Smith wrote: > > > >>On Wed, 2003-10-15 at 23:31, seth vidal wrote: > >> > So, for those of us who are AMD fans but don't know a lot about > motherboard selection and history, what is recommended? Who are the > "good" producers? What is good to read up on this before shopping? Leam I have had good success with my Tyan Thunder K7X (S2468UGN) w/dual Athlon 2800+ MP processors, 3G of memory, 63G of SCSI firmware RAID5, and a Matrox 450 driving two 21" monitors. It's installed in a large enclosure with plenty of cooling. My Tyan is a file & print server and power workstation running multiple VMware sessions. It has been running RH9 for months with just two reboots -- one to upgrade from the original 2200+ CPUs and the other after a lengthy commercial power outage. I don't doubt Seth Vidal has had problems, but his criticisms of Tyan may be too broad. His cluster project would be a serious engineering challenge for most motherboards -- especially in rack-mount enclosures where it's tough to push enough air through to keep CPU temps within spec. Just my $0.02. --Doc Savage Fairview Heights, IL From benny+nospam at amorsen.dk Thu Oct 16 13:18:04 2003 From: benny+nospam at amorsen.dk (Benny Amorsen) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 15:18:04 +0200 Subject: Evolution always attempts IPv6... Message-ID: <1066310284.5469.3.camel@vega.amorsen.dk> My mail server is accessible with IPv6. Evolution-1.4.5-3 attempts to access SMTP and IMAP over IPv6, which is fine when I am at home. However, when I am on the road the laptop does not always have IPv6 connectivity. In that case Evolution attempts to contact my server over IPv6, even though I only have a link-local IPv6 address. This obviously fails, but Evolution does not try to get through on IPv4 after the failure. As a workaround I have removed the AAAA record for my mail server. That makes Evolution happy. /Benny From mike at netlyncs.com Thu Oct 16 13:22:47 2003 From: mike at netlyncs.com (Mike Chambers) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 08:22:47 -0500 Subject: test3--redhat-config-xfree86 crashing on launch In-Reply-To: <3F8E4F3C.7090104@spiritone.com> References: <3F8E4F3C.7090104@spiritone.com> Message-ID: <1066310567.5152.3.camel@bart.netlyncs.com> On Thu, 2003-10-16 at 02:56, Steve Ward wrote: > Just finished loading test3 and am seeing the following behavior. > Trying to run the display setting tool nothing ever comes up (if I run > as non-root user it asks for root password then nothing happens). Already bugzilla'd #106501 -- Mike Chambers Madisonville, KY "Can you hear me now?....GOOD!" From maxx at krakoa.dk Thu Oct 16 13:26:44 2003 From: maxx at krakoa.dk (Mads Villadsen) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 15:26:44 +0200 Subject: Unsigned packages In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1066310803.3925.31.camel@pc803.statsbiblioteket.dk> On Thu, 2003-10-16 at 15:10, Elliot Lee wrote: > Packages get pushed to rawhide automatically, but the signing has to be > done manually, so usually a few slip through. This will be fixed in the > long run, but for now there's nothing much to do. :( That's fair enough. Since I am new to apt-get I have to ask: Is there a way to make it ignore missing signatures? -f? From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Thu Oct 16 13:25:57 2003 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 09:25:57 -0400 Subject: AMD Athlon64 Systems -- dual-940 boards with AGP+PCI-X are still costly ... In-Reply-To: <1066309698.3906.74.camel@lioness.thunderpurr.net> References: <3F8E121B.2020103@speakeasy.net> <1066278620.1140.127.camel@bitman.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> <1066278706.23014.11.camel@binkley> <1066281714.1140.132.camel@bitman.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> <1066282635.23014.23.camel@binkley> <3F8E603F.1020106@reuel.net> <1066309698.3906.74.camel@lioness.thunderpurr.net> Message-ID: <1066310757.23014.28.camel@binkley> > Leam > > I have had good success with my Tyan Thunder K7X (S2468UGN) w/dual > Athlon 2800+ MP processors, 3G of memory, 63G of SCSI firmware RAID5, > and a Matrox 450 driving two 21" monitors. It's installed in a large > enclosure with plenty of cooling. > I don't doubt Seth Vidal has had problems, but his criticisms of Tyan > may be too broad. His cluster project would be a serious engineering > challenge for most motherboards -- especially in rack-mount enclosures > where it's tough to push enough air through to keep CPU temps within > spec. as I mentioned in my email - I had these problems with the tiger, not the thunder and in general I distrust the first line of motherboards for any new chipset. Leam, If you're looking to get a new athlon or opteron system go talk to pogolinux or penguincomputing - they have good warranties and have actually done testing on their machines and they really know their way around linux. -sv From tvinhas at techbyte.com.br Thu Oct 16 12:29:48 2003 From: tvinhas at techbyte.com.br (Thiago Vinhas de Moraes) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 10:29:48 -0200 Subject: BitTorrent site for beta3 Message-ID: <1066307388.3305.1.camel@techbyte.com.br> How can I download beta3 using bittorrent? Thanks in advance, Thiago From nsilva-list at aoi.atari-source.com Thu Oct 16 13:32:18 2003 From: nsilva-list at aoi.atari-source.com (Noah Silva [Mailing list]) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 09:32:18 -0400 (EDT) Subject: up2date and proxy? Message-ID: I am trying to use up2date on fc1t3 and a proxy server, and while up2date has a place to fill in the proxy info, it seems like it isn't working? (or redhat's site is timing out?) Actually, the problem doesn't seem to be the proxy server or redhat's site, because I can load the URL fine in mozilla. Just for kicks, I set the http_proxy env. var., no change. also for fun, I tried passing the proxy info on the command like with --proxy, --proxyUser, and --proxy-Password, but then it gave me even stranger errors ("Invalid option -r"). partial error: return opener.open(request) File "/usr/lib/python2.2/urllib2.py", line 328, in open '_open', req) File "/usr/lib/python2.2/urllib2.py", line 307, in _call_chain result = func(*args) File "/usr/lib/python2.2/urllib2.py", line 824, in http_open return self.do_open(httplib.HTTP, req) File "/usr/lib/python2.2/urllib2.py", line 809, in do_open raise URLError(err) urllib2.URLError: From alden at math.ohio-state.edu Thu Oct 16 13:37:47 2003 From: alden at math.ohio-state.edu (Dave Alden) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 09:37:47 -0400 Subject: AMD Athlon64 Systems In-Reply-To: References: <3F8E121B.2020103@speakeasy.net> Message-ID: <20031016133747.GA28803@math.ohio-state.edu> Hi, Sorry for my ignorance, but I'm new to the Athlon64/Opteron arena. I have a single processor Opteron -- will your ISO's work for me? ...thnx, ...dave On Thu, Oct 16, 2003 at 07:59:27AM -0500, Justin M. Forbes wrote: > I am currently using an Athlon 64 with a generally working Fedora test 2 > for 64bit. I will have the ISOs for Test 3 finished in the next day or 2, > and will do an install test. Once I have verified installation, I will > make the ISOs available. Currently, it is running the taroon kernel, but > Fedora packages for most everything else. I am slowly working through the > Fedora kernel compile issues for AMD64, and hope to have that kernel > in my next set of ISOs after Core Release 1. > > Justin M. Forbes > > On Wed, 15 Oct 2003, Robert L Cochran wrote: > > > Is anyone using the AMD Athlon64? > > > > > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From alex at taipang.com Thu Oct 16 12:47:03 2003 From: alex at taipang.com (Alor) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 18:47:03 +0600 Subject: Postfix issues In-Reply-To: <20031016122902.88052.qmail@web60004.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20031016122902.88052.qmail@web60004.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200310161847.03216.alex@taipang.com> > I don't understand why my machine is refusing the > connections. I have port 25, 110 open through my > firewall on my fedora box. I've even disabled the > firewall, and it still is not working. Is there > something screwy with my postfix install do you think? Insert in file /etc/postfix/main.cf line: smtpd_sender_restrictions = reject_unknown_sender_domain,hash:/etc/postfix/access Alor. From nsilva-list at aoi.atari-source.com Thu Oct 16 13:40:12 2003 From: nsilva-list at aoi.atari-source.com (Noah Silva [Mailing list]) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 09:40:12 -0400 (EDT) Subject: apt vs yum vs up2date? In-Reply-To: <20031016080606.GA4871@ee.oulu.fi> Message-ID: > > yum is a lot easier to setup on the server end. Hhopefully this > has been improved for apt lately, setting up the directory hierarchy for > it was not trivial last time I tried it. > > Personally I use yum, mostly because it's in the distro and rawhide > repositories are everywhere. And with up2date not requiring an rhn registration, and supporting apt and yum, and being included in the distro.. people might actually use that? what a concept ;) -- noah silva (Note: I don't have a problem registering my system most of the time, just that whenever I reinstall something, I have to register it again.. and if I use the same email, it is denied because only one system per email on the "demo" accounts, etc, etc.) From akabi at speakeasy.net Thu Oct 16 13:40:25 2003 From: akabi at speakeasy.net (ne...) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 09:40:25 -0400 (EDT) Subject: up2date -p with yum In-Reply-To: <1066307020.17976.23.camel@taekwondo> References: <1066307020.17976.23.camel@taekwondo> Message-ID: On Oct 16, 2003 at 15:23, Mauri Sahlberg in a soothing rage wrote: >This is probably either "RTFM question" or "not even possible to do >without serious coding question" but how do you configure RHN Alert >Notification Tool to notify against rawhide? I believe the new rhn-applet-2.1.0-1 rpm handles this now. -- Registered Linux User # 125653 (http://counter.li.org) Switch to: http://www.speakeasy.net/refer/190653 fractal radiation jamming the backbone 09:38:31 up 52 days, 21:13, 5 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 From ms-nospam-0306 at arcor.de Thu Oct 16 13:48:51 2003 From: ms-nospam-0306 at arcor.de (Michael Schwendt) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 15:48:51 +0200 Subject: No graphical install using `install from hdd' In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20031016154851.1ac0f75f.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 16 Oct 2003 05:48:28 -0500, Harry Putnam wrote: > Installing from hard disk doesn't allow a graphical install. Is that > supposed to be the case? I booted CD #1 and then installed from hard disk. The installer was the graphical version. - -- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/jqHD0iMVcrivHFQRAn2BAJ99DowZ+H1DoY+2skA6kOIhjzdKpwCfbOXv 1jp1rokRxm0onj1sf4gO/BI= =l3ka -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From jeremyp at pobox.com Thu Oct 16 13:49:03 2003 From: jeremyp at pobox.com (Jeremy Portzer) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 09:49:03 -0400 Subject: BitTorrent site for beta3 In-Reply-To: <1066307388.3305.1.camel@techbyte.com.br> References: <1066307388.3305.1.camel@techbyte.com.br> Message-ID: <1066312143.4372.43.camel@jeremy.dtcc.cc.nc.us> On Thu, 2003-10-16 at 08:29, Thiago Vinhas de Moraes wrote: > How can I download beta3 using bittorrent? > I think you actually mean "test3" -- these are no longer "betas" but "test" releases. Anyway, to use BitTorrent, visit http://torrent.dulug.duke.edu/ and follow the instructions. --Jeremy -- /---------------------------------------------------------------------\ | Jeremy Portzer jeremyp at pobox.com trilug.org/~jeremy | | GPG Fingerprint: 712D 77C7 AB2D 2130 989F E135 6F9F F7BC CC1A 7B92 | \---------------------------------------------------------------------/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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A more important thing to fix would be the prehistoric xscreensaver password entry box that lookis -nothing- like gnome (and makes me wonder what the difference between xscreensaver and gnome-xscreensaver is..) > Bill -- noah silva From nsilva-list at aoi.atari-source.com Thu Oct 16 13:57:11 2003 From: nsilva-list at aoi.atari-source.com (Noah Silva [Mailing list]) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 09:57:11 -0400 (EDT) Subject: New extra packages and yum repository In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > > I'm a bit mixed feeling about this. On one side, I'm kindof a > > bit curious as to wether the rss screensavers are 100% copyright > > clean, and comments on their website or in the source before > > triggered my legal warning alarm, although I have no idea what it > > was now as that was a year or more ago. Not that this is iron-clad or anything, but Ximian had no problem shipping them with XD2. > Speaking of which, I'm a little curious about Berkeley Systems's reaction > (though maybe they're out of business by now?) to the Flying Toasters screen > saver in xscreensaver these days.... I thought they looked awefully familiar too... -- noah silva From tegner at nada.kth.se Thu Oct 16 13:59:55 2003 From: tegner at nada.kth.se (tegner at nada.kth.se) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 15:59:55 +0200 (MEST) Subject: update fedora severn - rawhide. In-Reply-To: References: <20031016080606.GA4871@ee.oulu.fi> Message-ID: <34928.150.227.16.253.1066312795.squirrel@webmail.nada.kth.se> Sorry if this is a stupid question. I have installed fedora core - "severn". >From http://fedora.redhat.com/download/ one gets directed to Rawhide for updates, but isn't that a complete distribution? And if that is the case, why not use that as a base for the installation (i.e. instead of severn)? Thanks /jon From jeremyp at pobox.com Thu Oct 16 14:04:48 2003 From: jeremyp at pobox.com (Jeremy Portzer) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 10:04:48 -0400 Subject: update fedora severn - rawhide. In-Reply-To: <34928.150.227.16.253.1066312795.squirrel@webmail.nada.kth.se> References: <20031016080606.GA4871@ee.oulu.fi> <34928.150.227.16.253.1066312795.squirrel@webmail.nada.kth.se> Message-ID: <1066313087.4372.57.camel@jeremy.dtcc.cc.nc.us> On Thu, 2003-10-16 at 09:59, tegner at nada.kth.se wrote: > Sorry if this is a stupid question. I have installed fedora core - "severn". > > >From http://fedora.redhat.com/download/ one gets directed to Rawhide for > updates, but isn't that a complete distribution? And if that is the case, > why not use that as a base for the installation (i.e. instead of severn)? > Rawhide is not exactly a complete distribution. It's more of a collection of packages that are being tested and possibly planned for future releases. It may or may not work as a complete distribution. I don't know if the installer stuff even works in rawhide or not. The test releases on the other hand are designed as a complete distribution, and you if you want to help in the process, use the "test3" download right now. Then if you want newer packages, you can update from the rawhide channels through up2date/yum. --Jeremy -- /---------------------------------------------------------------------\ | Jeremy Portzer jeremyp at pobox.com trilug.org/~jeremy | | GPG Fingerprint: 712D 77C7 AB2D 2130 989F E135 6F9F F7BC CC1A 7B92 | \---------------------------------------------------------------------/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From dstewart at atl.lmco.com Thu Oct 16 14:04:40 2003 From: dstewart at atl.lmco.com (Douglas Stewart) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 10:04:40 -0400 Subject: show details in Test 3 oddness In-Reply-To: References: <3F8E31CF.2050708@tech-access.com> <3F8E370D.5050008@tuins.ac.jp> Message-ID: <3F8EA578.6020503@atl.lmco.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Alexandre Oliva wrote: | On Oct 16, 2003, rg wrote: | | |>Number Generator," the familiar string of comforting "[OK]s" gives way |>to a string of "?OK?s". | | | Time to update, it's already fixed. | Excuse my ignorance, but update to what? From where? Using what tool? ~ My up2date flakes out on some devel headers that it claims aren't gzipped and yum shows no available updates. - -- - ---------- Doug Stewart Systems Administrator/Web Applications Developer Lockheed Martin Advanced Technology Labs Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/jqV3N50Q8DVvcvkRAu3DAJ9uA1TXs6olVSDrr+WfBQtadhiOxgCcCjkT BOpQpXc/9SgEt/wGMv61DH8= =zeRW -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From whb at ceimaine.org Thu Oct 16 14:02:08 2003 From: whb at ceimaine.org (Will Backman) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 10:02:08 -0400 (EDT) Subject: is anyone using any speech / dictation with Fedora? In-Reply-To: <3F8E246E.3040701@speakeasy.net> References: <200310160023.12020.elwoo@videotron.ca> <3F8E246E.3040701@speakeasy.net> Message-ID: <3115.142.167.72.162.1066312928.squirrel@mail.ceimaine.org> I have been testing the speech (gnopernicus) which seems to have some issues. I installed through the graphical click installer, and it installed but without proper dependencies. I then uninstalled and reinstalled from the command line, and it told me that I needed gnome speech and a couple other rpms. Also, it installs assuming that one has IBM Viavoice. Installing festival after the fact does not register the festival voices with gnopernicus. If you uninstall gnopernicus, install festival, and then reinstall gnopernicus, it starts speaking. Mozilla is still not speech enabled. I plan on testing the new gnome browser. > Several years ago, when my wife was writing her Ph.D dissertation, she > tried the Dragon Dictate product (by Dragon Systems, which I think was > bought by another company) under Microsoft Windows 98. It did a poor job > of recognition despite use of a high quality Shure microphone. She soon > gave up on Dragon and returned to typing into Microsoft Word. > > Even a 90% recognition rate for Via Voice seems fantastically good. I > watched Dragon Dictate miss most voice input, even with "training". > > Bob > > > Elton Woo wrote: > >> I see that IBM's ViaVoice for linux is no longer being developed: >> http://linuxjournal.com/article.php?sid=6383, though it is still >> available for download from HERE: >> https://www6.software.ibm.com/dl/viavoice/vvlinux-r?S_PKG=dl >> >> Noted, also that there is some move afoot for a suitable open >> source replacement called Sphinx: >> http://www.speech.cs.cmu.edu/sphinx/ >> >> comments, please? >> >> TIA >> Elton ;-) > > -- > Bob Cochran > Greenbelt, Maryland, USA > http://greenbeltcomputer.biz/ > > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From whb at ceimaine.org Thu Oct 16 14:09:41 2003 From: whb at ceimaine.org (Will Backman) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 10:09:41 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Speakup in kernel Message-ID: <3163.142.167.72.162.1066313381.squirrel@mail.ceimaine.org> Speakup was in the shipping kernel for a bit (was it Redhat 8?), then out due to some issues. Any word on if those issues have been worked out? Also, with the graphical package install tool, I did not notice where one could select the gnopernicus package. Is it just an "under the radar" package for testing? -- Will From m.a.young at durham.ac.uk Thu Oct 16 14:24:14 2003 From: m.a.young at durham.ac.uk (M A Young) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 15:24:14 +0100 (BST) Subject: up2date and proxy? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 16 Oct 2003, Noah Silva [Mailing list] wrote: > I am trying to use up2date on fc1t3 and a proxy server, and while up2date > has a place to fill in the proxy info, it seems like it isn't working? (or > redhat's site is timing out?) up2date on fc1t3 points to the rawhide yum files. However in this mode the proxying is broken. A work around is to run up2date as root, with the http_proxy environment variable set to point at your proxy. Michael Young From pmatilai at welho.com Thu Oct 16 14:34:14 2003 From: pmatilai at welho.com (Panu Matilainen) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 17:34:14 +0300 Subject: Unsigned packages In-Reply-To: <1066310803.3925.31.camel@pc803.statsbiblioteket.dk> References: <1066310803.3925.31.camel@pc803.statsbiblioteket.dk> Message-ID: <1066314854.3f8eac6683b93@webmail.welho.com> Quoting Mads Villadsen : > On Thu, 2003-10-16 at 15:10, Elliot Lee wrote: > > Packages get pushed to rawhide automatically, but the signing has to be > > done manually, so usually a few slip through. This will be fixed in the > > long run, but for now there's nothing much to do. :( > > That's fair enough. Since I am new to apt-get I have to ask: Is there a > way to make it ignore missing signatures? -f? "-o RPM::GPG-Check=false" on the command line or permanently change it in /etc/apt/apt.conf. Oh and note that this is specific to fedora.us apt, apt doesn't have native signature checking at all, it's implemented using apt's Lua "interface." -- - Panu - From 64bit_fedora at comcast.net Thu Oct 16 14:40:34 2003 From: 64bit_fedora at comcast.net (Justin M. Forbes) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 09:40:34 -0500 (CDT) Subject: AMD Athlon64 Systems In-Reply-To: <20031016133747.GA28803@math.ohio-state.edu> Message-ID: Yes, they should work on any AMD64 systems, but should also be considered more of a beta level product than standard Fedora Test 3. There are still 64bit vs. 32bit issues that make some things not work as expected (IE 32bit plugins do not work with 64bit mozilla, etc). That said, I have been running the first isos I made from test 2 for a couple of weeks now, and stability has not been much of an issue. Justin M. Forbes On Thu, 16 Oct 2003, Dave Alden wrote: > Hi, > Sorry for my ignorance, but I'm new to the Athlon64/Opteron arena. I > have a single processor Opteron -- will your ISO's work for me? > ...thnx, > ...dave > > On Thu, Oct 16, 2003 at 07:59:27AM -0500, Justin M. Forbes wrote: > > I am currently using an Athlon 64 with a generally working Fedora test 2 > > for 64bit. I will have the ISOs for Test 3 finished in the next day or 2, > > and will do an install test. Once I have verified installation, I will > > make the ISOs available. Currently, it is running the taroon kernel, but > > Fedora packages for most everything else. I am slowly working through the > > Fedora kernel compile issues for AMD64, and hope to have that kernel > > in my next set of ISOs after Core Release 1. > > > > Justin M. Forbes > > > > On Wed, 15 Oct 2003, Robert L Cochran wrote: > > > > > Is anyone using the AMD Athlon64? > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > fedora-test-list mailing list > > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > From nsilva-list at aoi.atari-source.com Thu Oct 16 14:42:23 2003 From: nsilva-list at aoi.atari-source.com (Noah Silva [Mailing list]) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 10:42:23 -0400 (EDT) Subject: up2date and proxy? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > On Thu, 16 Oct 2003, Noah Silva [Mailing list] wrote: > > > I am trying to use up2date on fc1t3 and a proxy server, and while up2date > > has a place to fill in the proxy info, it seems like it isn't working? (or > > redhat's site is timing out?) > > up2date on fc1t3 points to the rawhide yum files. However in this mode the This I was aware of. > proxying is broken. A work around is to run up2date as root, with the This, I was not. > http_proxy environment variable set to point at your proxy. Thanks for the help, but it is still no go, I did: a.) su root b.) export http_proxy=http://username:password at hostname:port c.) up2date then waited forever and a day for it to time out... (I did see in the startup output a "declare -x" line with the http_proxy variable listed. > Michael Young > thanks, noah silva From dstewart at atl.lmco.com Thu Oct 16 14:50:39 2003 From: dstewart at atl.lmco.com (Douglas Stewart) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 10:50:39 -0400 Subject: up2date and proxy? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3F8EB03F.107@atl.lmco.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Noah Silva [Mailing list] wrote: |>On Thu, 16 Oct 2003, Noah Silva [Mailing list] wrote: |> |> |>>I am trying to use up2date on fc1t3 and a proxy server, and while up2date |>>has a place to fill in the proxy info, it seems like it isn't working? (or |>>redhat's site is timing out?) |> |>up2date on fc1t3 points to the rawhide yum files. However in this mode the | | | This I was aware of. | | |>proxying is broken. A work around is to run up2date as root, with the | | | This, I was not. | | |>http_proxy environment variable set to point at your proxy. | | | | Thanks for the help, but it is still no go, I did: | a.) su root | b.) export http_proxy=http://username:password at hostname:port | c.) up2date | | then waited forever and a day for it to time out... | | (I did see in the startup output a "declare -x" line with the http_proxy | variable listed. | | |> Michael Young |> | | thanks, | noah silva | | | -- | fedora-test-list mailing list | fedora-test-list at redhat.com | http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list Make sure you have quotes around your proxy variable, i.e. export http_proxy="http://username:password at hostname:port" - -- - ---------- Doug Stewart Systems Administrator/Web Applications Developer Lockheed Martin Advanced Technology Labs Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/jrA+N50Q8DVvcvkRApjkAJ0TGxJIWThU+YEPk+huOAQwPR/HSwCdG93B 74CXS2DLMT34oy0xxHHItb4= =sNRE -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From reader at newsguy.com Thu Oct 16 14:57:19 2003 From: reader at newsguy.com (Harry Putnam) Date: 16 Oct 2003 09:57:19 -0500 Subject: No graphical install using `install from hdd' In-Reply-To: <1066306710.21319.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1066306710.21319.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: "Paul W. Frields" writes: > On Thu, 2003-10-16 at 06:48, Harry Putnam wrote: > > Installing from hard disk doesn't allow a graphical install. Is that > > supposed to be the case? > > I think that has been the case for some time in the Red Hat Linux > products. Aside from the pretty graphics (and enjoyable propaganda) it > doesn't cost you much in the way of functionality. I've always used text based installs, but was curious why graphics would be missing on a hard disk install. I used the same iso's as would be on a cd. From veillard at redhat.com Thu Oct 16 15:04:06 2003 From: veillard at redhat.com (Daniel Veillard) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 11:04:06 -0400 Subject: up2date -p with yum In-Reply-To: ; from akabi@speakeasy.net on Thu, Oct 16, 2003 at 09:40:25AM -0400 References: <1066307020.17976.23.camel@taekwondo> Message-ID: <20031016110406.I16905@redhat.com> On Thu, Oct 16, 2003 at 09:40:25AM -0400, ne... wrote: > On Oct 16, 2003 at 15:23, Mauri Sahlberg in a soothing rage wrote: > > >This is probably either "RTFM question" or "not even possible to do > >without serious coding question" but how do you configure RHN Alert > >Notification Tool to notify against rawhide? > I believe the new rhn-applet-2.1.0-1 rpm handles this now. yep, to handle rawhide from up2date/rhn_applet add this line to /etc/sysconfig/rhn/sources : yum rawhide http://ftp.redhat.com/pub/redhat/linux/rawhide BTW rhn-applet-2.1.1 is out adding proxy support (though up2date might not yet work with the proxy): yum rhn_applet http://people.redhat.com/~veillard/testing/yum/rhn-applet Daniel -- Daniel Veillard | Red Hat Network https://rhn.redhat.com/ veillard at redhat.com | libxml GNOME XML XSLT toolkit http://xmlsoft.org/ http://veillard.com/ | Rpmfind RPM search engine http://rpmfind.net/ From glass-art at comcast.net Thu Oct 16 15:14:01 2003 From: glass-art at comcast.net (Clifford Snow) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 08:14:01 -0700 Subject: The "top" utility returns bogus summary info for CPU usage In-Reply-To: <1066291051.10540.4.camel@hqs35256> References: <1066291051.10540.4.camel@hqs35256> Message-ID: <1066317241.11143.3.camel@blue.comcast.net> On Thu, 2003-10-16 at 00:57, Marcus O. White wrote: > G'day, > > Has anyone else noticed that top when run in a gui window displays > zeroes for CPU usage in the summary section. The details appear to be > ok. See below: > > ------------------- cut here ------------------------- > 03:55:35 up 22:59, 4 users, load average: 2.83, 2.19, 1.90 > 83 processes: 77 sleeping, 6 running, 0 zombie, 0 stopped > CPU states: cpu user nice system irq softirq iowait idle > total 0.0% 0.0% 0.0% 33.3% 33.4% 33.1% 0.0% I get the same results. Clifford glass-art at comcast.net -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From jgeorgeson at lopht.net Thu Oct 16 15:29:27 2003 From: jgeorgeson at lopht.net (Justin Georgeson) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 10:29:27 -0500 Subject: up2date -p with yum References: Message-ID: <3F8EB957.7000104@lopht.net> Jason Montleon wrote: > Justin Georgeson wrote: > not sure on this one other than to say there have been a few threads of > people saying it installs multiple versions of the same software. You might > look at 'up2date --configure' for relevant options. Have a look in the > archives for the recent threads. > > This may have been what happened. It is impossible to tell now, but what I > ended up doing in order to resolve the problem was rpm -e mozilla-nspr (same > for mozilla-nss mozilla and vim-common; i.e. all the affected packages) > > I initially received a message to the effect 'mozilla-nspr refers to > multiple packages'. I was a little baffled by that so I ran it again and it > went like normal. I then did 'up2date mozilla-nspr' (same for all the > others with each of these commands as well), and that ended my trouble. I believe if you rpm -e without the full version string, and there are multiple versions installed, it will uninstall the lowest version, and complain that there are multiple versions. From juran at carmen.se Thu Oct 16 15:50:40 2003 From: juran at carmen.se (David Juran) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 17:50:40 +0200 Subject: up2date from behind corporate firewall In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3F8EBE50.4090907@carmen.se> M A Young wrote: > Currently the proxy settings are ignored for non-rhn up2dates. If you are > logged in as root, a work around is to set the http_proxy environment > variable to point at your proxy. setting the http_proxy environment variable only takes me part of the way. I've reported this bug in https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=107036 a coupple of days ago. When sniffing the net, having the variable set, I can see up2date connecting through the proxy to xmlrpc.rhn.redhat.com, but a little while later it still tries to look up ftp.redhat.com on the internal DNS, which fails. -- David Juran System administrator E-mail: david at carmen.se Phone: +46-31-7226259 +46-7390-18259 Carmen Systems AB Odinsgatan 9 SE-411 03 Goteborg, Sweden From drepper at redhat.com Thu Oct 16 15:51:40 2003 From: drepper at redhat.com (Ulrich Drepper) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 08:51:40 -0700 Subject: Evolution always attempts IPv6... In-Reply-To: <1066310284.5469.3.camel@vega.amorsen.dk> References: <1066310284.5469.3.camel@vega.amorsen.dk> Message-ID: <3F8EBE8C.5080709@redhat.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Benny Amorsen wrote: > In that case Evolution attempts to contact my server over > IPv6, even though I only have a link-local IPv6 address. This obviously > fails, but Evolution does not try to get through on IPv4 after the > failure. I assume evolution does use getaddrinfo(). Somebody should make sure that the AI_ADDRCONFIG is used (available only on modern systems but FC has it). AI_ADDRCONFIG avoids the IPv6 addresses if the system has no IPv6 interfaces. - -- - --------------. ,-. 444 Castro Street Ulrich Drepper \ ,-----------------' \ Mountain View, CA 94041 USA Red Hat `--' drepper at redhat.com `--------------------------- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/jr6M2ijCOnn/RHQRAqNwAJwKIcFHNSuSveijPPjrq7rwvvTv3QCdE+FV 7TkCF34VaoONBpBKsmlFAkI= =zqJ7 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From tony at candlefire.org Thu Oct 16 16:01:49 2003 From: tony at candlefire.org (Tony Savage) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 11:01:49 -0500 Subject: Add/Remove Application Bug Message-ID: <1066320109.19550.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> When trying to add/remove packages in the Add/Remove Application window, GUI in KDE, it asks for CD1, when I click "OK" it pauses for about 2 seconds, then puts then asks for CD1 again. Anyone else having this problem and know of a way to stop it from doing this? All CD's are checksum'd too, so thats not where this error is coming from. Thanks. From nsilva-list at aoi.atari-source.com Thu Oct 16 16:04:33 2003 From: nsilva-list at aoi.atari-source.com (Noah Silva [Mailing list]) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 12:04:33 -0400 (EDT) Subject: up2date from behind corporate firewall In-Reply-To: <3F8EBE50.4090907@carmen.se> Message-ID: On Thu, 16 Oct 2003, David Juran wrote: > M A Young wrote: > > > Currently the proxy settings are ignored for non-rhn up2dates. If you are > > logged in as root, a work around is to set the http_proxy environment > > variable to point at your proxy. > > setting the http_proxy environment variable only takes me part of the > way. I've reported this bug in > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=107036 a coupple of >... > internal DNS, which fails. Our internal DNS does lookups from the outside DNS, so it should work, but it appears to just not be querying the proxy. I tried using the quites as a previous poster suggested, still no go. Interestingly, the 2.1.1 rhn-applet DOES work with the proxy. I can see there is an update for up2date now, so maybe I should grab that with a web browser, and try again. snip of error: File "/usr/share/rhn/up2date_client/repoBackends/urlUtils.py", line 98, in open_resource return opener.open(request) File "/usr/lib/python2.2/urllib2.py", line 328, in open '_open', req) File "/usr/lib/python2.2/urllib2.py", line 307, in _call_chain result = func(*args) File "/usr/lib/python2.2/urllib2.py", line 824, in http_open return self.do_open(httplib.HTTP, req) File "/usr/lib/python2.2/urllib2.py", line 809, in do_open raise URLError(err) urllib2.URLError: From whb at ceimaine.org Thu Oct 16 16:18:31 2003 From: whb at ceimaine.org (Will Backman) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 12:18:31 -0400 Subject: Evolution right click on folder in tree Message-ID: <1066321110.19139.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> In Evolution, right-click on a folder in the folder tree should bring up a menu, right? I get a very tiny box, no menu. Anyone else seeing this? -- Will From peden at americanphysicians.net Thu Oct 16 16:22:58 2003 From: peden at americanphysicians.net (Paul D. Eden) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 09:22:58 -0700 Subject: Evolution right click on folder in tree In-Reply-To: <1066321110.19139.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1066321110.19139.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1066321378.817.5.camel@paullaptop.americanphysicians.net> Mine brings up the menu. I have evolution-1.4.5-2 On Thu, 2003-10-16 at 09:18, Will Backman wrote: > In Evolution, right-click on a folder in the folder tree should bring up > a menu, right? I get a very tiny box, no menu. Anyone else seeing > this? > > -- Will > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list -- Thank You, Paul D. Eden Network Administrator American Physicians, Inc. peden at americanphysicians.net 602-595-8000 (DID) From nsilva-list at aoi.atari-source.com Thu Oct 16 16:24:34 2003 From: nsilva-list at aoi.atari-source.com (Noah Silva [Mailing list]) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 12:24:34 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Evolution right click on folder in tree In-Reply-To: <1066321110.19139.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: Hi, Just tested this. On my first try, it did the same thing for me. On my second, and subsequent tries, it worked fine though. -- noah silva On Thu, 16 Oct 2003, Will Backman wrote: > In Evolution, right-click on a folder in the folder tree should bring up > a menu, right? I get a very tiny box, no menu. Anyone else seeing > this? > > -- Will > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > From whb at ceimaine.org Thu Oct 16 16:26:32 2003 From: whb at ceimaine.org (Will Backman) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 12:26:32 -0400 Subject: Evolution right click on folder in tree In-Reply-To: <1066321378.817.5.camel@paullaptop.americanphysicians.net> References: <1066321110.19139.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1066321378.817.5.camel@paullaptop.americanphysicians.net> Message-ID: <1066321592.19163.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> [whb at localhost whb]$ rpm -q evolution evolution-1.4.5-2 [whb at localhost whb]$ Hmmm...This is a fresh install. On Thu, 2003-10-16 at 12:22, Paul D. Eden wrote: > Mine brings up the menu. > > I have evolution-1.4.5-2 > > > On Thu, 2003-10-16 at 09:18, Will Backman wrote: > > In Evolution, right-click on a folder in the folder tree should bring up > > a menu, right? I get a very tiny box, no menu. Anyone else seeing > > this? > > > > -- Will > > > > > > -- > > fedora-test-list mailing list > > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From FB13945 at fb.is Thu Oct 16 16:34:01 2003 From: FB13945 at fb.is (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Halld=F3r_R=FAnar_Hafli=F0ason?=) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 16:34:01 -0000 Subject: Add/Remove Application Bug Message-ID: It's a known bug, filed in bugzilla ( has been there since Fedora core test 1 ) -----Original Message----- From: Tony Savage [mailto:tony at candlefire.org] Sent: 16. okt?ber 2003 16:02 To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com Subject: Add/Remove Application Bug When trying to add/remove packages in the Add/Remove Application window, GUI in KDE, it asks for CD1, when I click "OK" it pauses for about 2 seconds, then puts then asks for CD1 again. Anyone else having this problem and know of a way to stop it from doing this? All CD's are checksum'd too, so thats not where this error is coming from. Thanks. -- fedora-test-list mailing list fedora-test-list at redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From whb at ceimaine.org Thu Oct 16 16:32:30 2003 From: whb at ceimaine.org (Will Backman) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 12:32:30 -0400 Subject: Evolution remove Inbox shortcut hangs shortcut bar Message-ID: <1066321950.19163.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> In Evolution, If I right click on the Inbox shortcut on the shortcut bar, and choose delete, it causes the shortcut bar to hang. If I add the Inbox shortcut back using File->New->Shortcut, and delete it the same way, I get the same hang. Anyone else seeing this? --Will From nsilva-list at aoi.atari-source.com Thu Oct 16 16:37:41 2003 From: nsilva-list at aoi.atari-source.com (Noah Silva [Mailing list]) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 12:37:41 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Evolution remove Inbox shortcut hangs shortcut bar In-Reply-To: <1066321950.19163.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On Thu, 16 Oct 2003, Will Backman wrote: > In Evolution, If I right click on the Inbox shortcut on the shortcut > bar, and choose delete, it causes the shortcut bar to hang. If I add > > same way, I get the same hang. > > Anyone else seeing this? Not here (assuming "delete" = "remove"). Running evolution from the fc1t3 install.. > --Will -- noah silva From whb at ceimaine.org Thu Oct 16 16:48:51 2003 From: whb at ceimaine.org (Will Backman) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 12:48:51 -0400 Subject: Verify of at rpm show missing file Message-ID: <1066322931.19419.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> On beta3, run "rpm -V at", notice missing file: missing /var/spool/at/spool I have run the at command, and it seems to work. Anyone else see this? -- Will From whb at ceimaine.org Thu Oct 16 16:57:13 2003 From: whb at ceimaine.org (Will Backman) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 12:57:13 -0400 Subject: Evolution right click on folder in tree In-Reply-To: <1066321110.19139.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1066321110.19139.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1066323433.26011.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> I created a new user, logged in, and had the same trouble with right click. This is a standard Personal Desktop install with gnopernicus added. On Thu, 2003-10-16 at 12:18, Will Backman wrote: > In Evolution, right-click on a folder in the folder tree should bring up > a menu, right? I get a very tiny box, no menu. Anyone else seeing > this? > > -- Will > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From yinyang at eburg.com Thu Oct 16 17:06:36 2003 From: yinyang at eburg.com (Gordon Messmer) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 10:06:36 -0700 Subject: Install only offers ext2/3? In-Reply-To: <200310160837.14949.nbecker@hns.com> References: <200310160804.37026.nbecker@hns.com> <1066306352.10028.0.camel@pc-32.office.scali.no> <200310160837.14949.nbecker@hns.com> Message-ID: <3F8ED01C.4070201@eburg.com> Neal D. Becker wrote: > On Thursday 16 October 2003 08:12 am, Trond Eivind Glomsr?d wrote: > >>linux jfs >> >>linux reiserfs >> >>will enable those during install. >> > > > Thanks. Still, I think it would be better if these options were more visible. Perhaps they could be, now that Fedora is not a Red Hat product. Historically, I believe they were off by default because they were not supported by Red Hat. From forrestx.taylor at intel.com Thu Oct 16 17:15:07 2003 From: forrestx.taylor at intel.com (Taylor, ForrestX) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 10:15:07 -0700 Subject: No graphical install using `install from hdd' References: Message-ID: <3F8ED21B.1030205@intel.com> Harry Putnam wrote: > Installing from hard disk doesn't allow a graphical install. Is that > supposed to be the case? Hmm. I just did a hard disk install and it was graphical. From the release notes: * Hard drive installations are now graphical by default. There is no memory penalty, as parted now uses a kernel interface that makes it possible to keep partitions mounted on a device while other partitions are being modified. I booted from the boot.iso and chose hard drive install, and then it went into graphical. Did you pass any options at the boot: prompt? Forrest From bpmckie at sbcglobal.net Thu Oct 16 17:14:35 2003 From: bpmckie at sbcglobal.net (Brian McKie) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 10:14:35 -0700 Subject: CD mounting problem Message-ID: <1066324475.3194.4.camel@opera> Hi, I just did a clean install of Test 3. I was using Test 1 and was very happy with it. I had burned all my data files to a cd's and when I tried to mount the cd's I get this error message. mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/cdrom, or too many mounted file systems (could this be the IDE device where you in fact use ide-scsi so that sr0 or sda or so is needed?) This is the first time I have seen this error, what is going on? Thanks, Brian From forrestx.taylor at intel.com Thu Oct 16 17:18:04 2003 From: forrestx.taylor at intel.com (Taylor, ForrestX) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 10:18:04 -0700 Subject: The "top" utility returns bogus summary info for CPU usage References: <1066291051.10540.4.camel@hqs35256> Message-ID: <3F8ED2CC.4080508@intel.com> Marcus O. White wrote: > G'day, > > Has anyone else noticed that top when run in a gui window displays > zeroes for CPU usage in the summary section. Quite possibly related to this bug http://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=107186 where the idle percentage would be very large under load. Forrest -- From nsilva-list at aoi.atari-source.com Thu Oct 16 17:20:33 2003 From: nsilva-list at aoi.atari-source.com (Noah Silva [Mailing list]) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 13:20:33 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Install only offers ext2/3? In-Reply-To: <3F8ED01C.4070201@eburg.com> Message-ID: > Perhaps they could be, now that Fedora is not a Red Hat product. > Historically, I believe they were off by default because they were not > supported by Red Hat. > Am I missing something? Anyone care to elaborate? Fedora is more of a redhat product that it was before. Redhat is paying people to work on it. It is downloaded from, and updated from redhat's servers.. just like this mailing list... (of course fedora is supposed to be more of a community project than redhat was, but from my understanding, redhat has final say over what goes into fedora core, and that makes it a redhat product in my mind). At any rate, it would seem if redhat didn't want to support JFS, etc., they wouldn't compile them into the kernel. I would guess it's easier to support users if you have a greater percentage chance of knowing what they are running. -- noah silva From mhouston at gci.net Thu Oct 16 17:24:33 2003 From: mhouston at gci.net (Shawn Houston) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 09:24:33 -0800 Subject: kupdate oops with kernel 2.4.22-1.2093.athlon Message-ID: <3F8ED451.2080504@gci.net> Using the 2093 kernel I get an oops in kupdate during shutdown. I haven't captured the oops yet becuse the machine continues to power off after the oops. Averatec 3150HS laptop with VIA KM266 and mobile athlon As soon as I get the oops captured I will bugzilla. Kernel 2088 and prior did not have this problem. Other than the oops printing on screen I have not had any side effects from this behaviour. -Shawn From elwoo at videotron.ca Thu Oct 16 17:28:05 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 13:28:05 -0400 Subject: mozilla search misbehavoir? Message-ID: <200310161328.05027.elwoo@videotron.ca> Changing the default search engine for mozilla from Google to Netscape brings up this error: "HTTP Status 500 - No Context configured to process this request type Status report message No Context configured to process this request description The server encountered an internal error (No Context configured to process this request) that prevented it from fulfilling this request. Apache Tomcat/4.1.24" ... has anyone else noticed this? version:mozilla-1.4.1-10. This happens even if I close and reopen the browser between changes... Elton -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From whb at ceimaine.org Thu Oct 16 17:31:32 2003 From: whb at ceimaine.org (Will Backman) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 13:31:32 -0400 Subject: gdm login usability Message-ID: <1066325491.27393.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> Perhaps a point that is a little late in the beta cycle... I remember when Sun spent a lot of time going over usability testing of gnome. One criticism of GDM was that there was no [ok] button to press when entering username and password. Is there no way to enable one? Does this require modification to GDM? Do the fedora developers agree with Sun's suggestion? -- Will From bwheadley at earthlink.net Thu Oct 16 17:40:18 2003 From: bwheadley at earthlink.net (Bryan W. Headley) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 12:40:18 -0500 Subject: CD mounting problem In-Reply-To: <1066324475.3194.4.camel@opera> References: <1066324475.3194.4.camel@opera> Message-ID: <3F8ED802.3080703@earthlink.net> Brian McKie wrote: > Hi, > > I just did a clean install of Test 3. I was using Test 1 and was very > happy with it. I had burned all my data files to a cd's and when I tried > to mount the cd's I get this error message. > mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/cdrom, > or too many mounted file systems > (could this be the IDE device where you in fact use > ide-scsi so that sr0 or sda or so is needed?) > > This is the first time I have seen this error, what is going on? No idea. It's irritating. Rebooting the box seems to help, though. Sometimes I've rebooted with data CDs in the drive, and that appears to confuse the situation, too. Remember to take 'em out. -- ____ .:. ____ Bryan W. Headley - bwheadley at earthlink.net From elwoo at videotron.ca Thu Oct 16 17:36:02 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 13:36:02 -0400 Subject: CD mounting problem In-Reply-To: <1066324475.3194.4.camel@opera> References: <1066324475.3194.4.camel@opera> Message-ID: <200310161336.02754.elwoo@videotron.ca> On October 16, 2003 01:14 pm, Brian McKie , > wrote: > Hi, > > I just did a clean install of Test 3. I was using Test 1 and was very > happy with it. I had burned all my data files to a cd's and when I tried > to mount the cd's I get this error message. > mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/cdrom, > or too many mounted file systems > (could this be the IDE device where you in fact use > ide-scsi so that sr0 or sda or so is needed?) > > This is the first time I have seen this error, what is going on? That might be an indication of a defective CD, a bad burn, *or* trying to mount an *audio* CD as a data one. Did the cd-burning tool report any errors? HTH & cheers, Elton ;-) -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From nphilipp at redhat.com Thu Oct 16 17:45:36 2003 From: nphilipp at redhat.com (Nils Philippsen) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 19:45:36 +0200 Subject: New extra packages Message-ID: <1066326336.5332.3.camel@wombat.tiptoe.de> Hi all, again I've put up some new packages/versions on http://lisas.de/~nils/fedora/0.95/extras or yummified on http://lisas.de/~nils/yum/fedora/0.95/i386/extras/ - BitTorrent-3.3-2 ("this time it should work") - gimp-beta-1.3.21-2 (fixed some things I noticed through the previous thread) Have fun, Nils -- Nils Philippsen / Red Hat / nphilipp at redhat.com "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- B. 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I had almost kicked myself of this habit, and then Ximian Desktop 2 fixed that Tab key... but apparently that change hasn't made out of ximian's version... (I don't think that either of these changes would exactly destabalize the beta, but I wonder how the button would work with regards to the existing GDM themes). -- noah silva From ed at redhat.com Thu Oct 16 17:58:52 2003 From: ed at redhat.com (Edward C. Bailey) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 13:58:52 -0400 Subject: Question about dual-booting two versions of RedHat In-Reply-To: <1066222951.1584.32.camel@chastain> (Terry R. Linhardt's message of "Wed, 15 Oct 2003 08:02:32 -0500") References: <1066222951.1584.32.camel@chastain> Message-ID: >>>>> "Terry" == Terry R Linhardt writes: Terry> I have a large disk drive with ample space. I've decided I would Terry> like to install two versions of RedHat. One would be a "production" Terry> version, the other a "test" version. Terry> The documentation I've seen talks about Linux co-existing in a dual Terry> boot with some version of Windows. Terry> I've installed the "first" version of Linux in the first 25 GB of Terry> disk space. Do I install the "2nd" version in a similar Terry> manner?...that is, using a custom install and then selecting the Terry> unused portion of the drive to install the 2nd version? GRUB will Terry> see the two installs and allow me to select which one to boot? No, unfortunately... Terry> In a sense, this all seems fairly easy...is it pretty Terry> straight-forward? Nope, but you can *make* pretty straight-forward... :-) Here's my situation, and how I set up dual-booting: I have a test machine that I use to do test installs of Fedora Core, and Red Hat Enterprise Linux. The system is configured with dual drives in a software RAID 1 configuration, so every partition in my fstab is /dev/mdX (this becomes important a bit later in my description). I have configured a shared swap partition, a shared /home partition, and separate /boot and / partitions for each OS. Because I do many installs, and because the currently-available install-time options are to either install a bootloader or not, it's easier to just let the installs install a bootloader, and pick up the pieces afterward. However, I don't want to have to manually edit grub.conf files. Anaconda creates a very nice grub.conf file, and the kernel rpms very nicely add grub.conf entries whenever you install new kernels, and I don't want to throw all that away. So, I decided on the following layout: o A master Grub configuration installed in the MBR, that chainloads to... o ...two distro-specific Grub configurations (installed in the first sector of the /boot partitions), one for each installed OS This means that, when booting, I hit one grub screen asking me whether I want to boot Fedora Core or RHEL, followed by another grub screen for the OS I selected. With appropriate default and timeout settings this can be entirely automated. However, in my case, I *don't* want the OS selection grub to be automated, as I always seem to turn on the system, get distracted, and then have the wrong OS booted before I notice... :-) Here's the grub.conf I use to do this: ######################################################################## title Red Hat Enterprise Linux root (hd0,1) chainloader +1 ######################################################################## title Fedora Core root (hd0,0) chainloader +1 You could add "default" and "timeout" lines to automate the selection of one OS over another; if you want to have it look pretty, you can add a "splashimage" line as well. You'll also need to upate the device specifications on the "root" lines, as my device layout is almost certainly not the same as yours... To make sure that this file isn't overwritten when I do an install, I created a boot/grub/ directory tree on my /home partition (remember, it's shared between both OSes), and populated it with the files located in the grub directory from one of my installs: [root at binger ed]# ls /home/boot/grub/ device.map grub.conf menu.lst xfs_stage1_5 e2fs_stage1_5 minix_stage1_5 stage1 fat_stage1_5 grub.conf-save reiserfs_stage1_5 stage2 ffs_stage1_5 jfs_stage1_5 reset-grub vstafs_stage1_5 (NOTE: This means you should *never* create a user called "boot", as this will likely overwrite your boot configuration!! :-) You could probably get rid of the /boot directory (ie, just have /home/grub), and get rid of all the unnecessary files in grub, but I didn't feel like taking the time to pare things down to the bare minimums. If such warts offend you, feel free to clean things up as you see fit... :-) So, now we have a set of grub files that won't be touched during an install (assuming /home is left untouched, of course). However, we have a few problems: o This grub configuration is currently not installed in the MBR, meaning that a reboot will just give us the grub screen for whichever OS was installed *last* (because each install overwrites the MBR) o The two OS-specific grub configurations are not installed in the first sector of their respective /boot partitions And even if we solve these two problems, the next time we do an install, it'll overwrite the MBR with its own grub configuration, so we're back to square one. Well, the way to get around this is to have a script put everything back after an install is done. The more sharp-eyed of you out there may have noticed a file called "reset-grub" in the directory listing above. Here it is: #!/bin/sh # # First, Fedora Core (which is in hd0,0/hd1,0)... # /sbin/grub --batch < Message-ID: > - BitTorrent-3.3-2 ("this time it should work") It appears to, but no GUI version. Actually, I am curious as to why this isn't included in the standard install. (Especially when redhat themselves give out .torrent links..) > - gimp-beta-1.3.21-2 (fixed some things I noticed through the previous > thread) I was going to ask the same of this, but I forgot it's still technically beta. > Have fun, > Nils thanks, noah silva From ms-nospam-0306 at arcor.de Thu Oct 16 18:15:33 2003 From: ms-nospam-0306 at arcor.de (Michael Schwendt) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 20:15:33 +0200 Subject: Verify of at rpm show missing file In-Reply-To: <1066322931.19419.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1066322931.19419.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20031016201533.7572ebf0.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, 16 Oct 2003 12:48:51 -0400, Will Backman wrote: > On beta3, run "rpm -V at", notice missing file: > missing /var/spool/at/spool > > I have run the at command, and it seems to work. Anyone else see this? If "rpm -qf /var/spool/at/spool/" also says it is missing, you need to restore it. Else don't try to verify the "at" packages as ordinary user. Use "root". - -- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/juBF0iMVcrivHFQRAj44AJ9gr85svZUN59A9I2gNrbse+0RqQwCdGSHY Es0pAge617PAbHFpS1zwPhI= =n22j -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From elwoo at videotron.ca Thu Oct 16 18:19:16 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 14:19:16 -0400 Subject: kmail icons. Message-ID: <200310161419.16309.elwoo@videotron.ca> After installing Fedora Core Test 3 (RH 9.0.95), I notice that the addressbook and help icons for kmail are the "toolkit" one (the same as the Gnome System Tools one). ... anyone else notice this? I find it quite confusing... and is there a way to change these icons? The most recent updates via up2date (yum - rawhide) does not fix this. version: kdeartwork-3.1.4-1. Elton. -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From jkeating at j2solutions.net Thu Oct 16 18:21:00 2003 From: jkeating at j2solutions.net (Jesse Keating) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 11:21:00 -0700 Subject: AMD Athlon64 Systems In-Reply-To: <3F8E22A7.60005@speakeasy.net> References: <3F8E121B.2020103@speakeasy.net> <200310152120.55175.jkeating@j2solutions.net> <3F8E22A7.60005@speakeasy.net> Message-ID: <200310161121.04855.jkeating@j2solutions.net> On Wednesday 15 October 2003 21:46, Robert L Cochran wrote: > s this the 64-FX? Maybe you can share the system specs with me? But > this is just a personal pipe dream of mine that I might not realize, > so don't feel obligated. I would like to build such a system. Just as > soon as my kids graduate from university and I've paid off the > education costs :-) No, it's just a Athlon64 3200+. I'll probably be building myself a Atlhon64 Shuttle based system early next year though. It's about time for my complete system upgrade (; -- Jesse Keating RHCE MCSE (geek.j2solutions.net) Fedora Legacy Team (www.fedora.us/wiki/FedoraLegacy) Mondo DevTeam (www.mondorescue.org) GPG Public Key (geek.j2solutions.net/jkeating.j2solutions.pub) Was I helpful? Let others know: http://svcs.affero.net/rm.php?r=jkeating -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: signature URL: From jkeating at j2solutions.net Thu Oct 16 18:22:47 2003 From: jkeating at j2solutions.net (Jesse Keating) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 11:22:47 -0700 Subject: AMD Athlon64 Systems -- dual-940 boards with AGP+PCI-X are still costly ... In-Reply-To: <1066278706.23014.11.camel@binkley> References: <3F8E121B.2020103@speakeasy.net> <1066278620.1140.127.camel@bitman.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> <1066278706.23014.11.camel@binkley> Message-ID: <200310161122.47862.jkeating@j2solutions.net> On Wednesday 15 October 2003 21:31, seth vidal wrote: > After having suffered through 50 or so tyan 2460s and 2466 dual > athlon motherboards I personally hope to never see another tyan > motherboard. > > never a larger steaming pile of crap have I seen. Agreed. It's almost turned me off from the SMP market as a whole. -- Jesse Keating RHCE MCSE (geek.j2solutions.net) Fedora Legacy Team (www.fedora.us/wiki/FedoraLegacy) Mondo DevTeam (www.mondorescue.org) GPG Public Key (geek.j2solutions.net/jkeating.j2solutions.pub) Was I helpful? Let others know: http://svcs.affero.net/rm.php?r=jkeating -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: signature URL: From elwoo at videotron.ca Thu Oct 16 18:25:21 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 14:25:21 -0400 Subject: Install only offers ext2/3? In-Reply-To: <3F8ED01C.4070201@eburg.com> References: <200310160804.37026.nbecker@hns.com> <200310160837.14949.nbecker@hns.com> <3F8ED01C.4070201@eburg.com> Message-ID: <200310161425.21189.elwoo@videotron.ca> On October 16, 2003 01:06 pm, Gordon Messmer , > wrote: > >>linux reiserfs > >> > >>will enable those during install. > > > > Thanks. Still, I think it would be better if these options were more > > visible. > > Perhaps they could be, now that Fedora is not a Red Hat product. > Historically, I believe they were off by default because they were not > supported by Red Hat. AFAIK, the "official" Red Hat stand is that resierfs is still sufficiently unstable that they *don't* include it in the defaults. Installing with "linux reiserfs" is considered to be AYOR. See previous discussions WRT reiser in the shrike-list. Elton ;-) -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From whb at ceimaine.org Thu Oct 16 18:28:01 2003 From: whb at ceimaine.org (Will Backman) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 14:28:01 -0400 Subject: Verify of at rpm show missing file In-Reply-To: <20031016201533.7572ebf0.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de> References: <1066322931.19419.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20031016201533.7572ebf0.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de> Message-ID: <1066328880.27393.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> As root makes it verify ok. Thanks for the tip. On Thu, 2003-10-16 at 14:15, Michael Schwendt wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Thu, 16 Oct 2003 12:48:51 -0400, Will Backman wrote: > > > On beta3, run "rpm -V at", notice missing file: > > missing /var/spool/at/spool > > > > I have run the at command, and it seems to work. Anyone else see this? > > If "rpm -qf /var/spool/at/spool/" also says it is missing, you need to > restore it. Else don't try to verify the "at" packages as ordinary > user. Use "root". > > - -- > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQE/juBF0iMVcrivHFQRAj44AJ9gr85svZUN59A9I2gNrbse+0RqQwCdGSHY > Es0pAge617PAbHFpS1zwPhI= > =n22j > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From kaboom at gatech.edu Thu Oct 16 18:31:00 2003 From: kaboom at gatech.edu (Chris Ricker) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 14:31:00 -0400 (EDT) Subject: kupdate oops with kernel 2.4.22-1.2093.athlon In-Reply-To: <3F8ED451.2080504@gci.net> References: <3F8ED451.2080504@gci.net> Message-ID: On Thu, 16 Oct 2003, Shawn Houston wrote: > Using the 2093 kernel I get an oops in kupdate during shutdown. I > haven't captured the oops yet becuse the machine continues to power off > after the oops. > > Averatec 3150HS laptop with VIA KM266 and mobile athlon > > As soon as I get the oops captured I will bugzilla. Already there. #107233 later, chris From jkeating at j2solutions.net Thu Oct 16 18:39:06 2003 From: jkeating at j2solutions.net (Jesse Keating) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 11:39:06 -0700 Subject: Install only offers ext2/3? In-Reply-To: <1066306352.10028.0.camel@pc-32.office.scali.no> References: <200310160804.37026.nbecker@hns.com> <1066306352.10028.0.camel@pc-32.office.scali.no> Message-ID: <200310161139.06514.jkeating@j2solutions.net> On Thursday 16 October 2003 05:12, Trond Eivind Glomsr?d wrote: > linux jfs When I tried this on RHL9, the installer was unable to find mkfs.jfs, and thus was unable to format any of my partitions in JFS like I requested. Has this been fixed in FC ? I haven't tried lately. -- Jesse Keating RHCE MCSE (geek.j2solutions.net) Fedora Legacy Team (www.fedora.us/wiki/FedoraLegacy) Mondo DevTeam (www.mondorescue.org) GPG Public Key (geek.j2solutions.net/jkeating.j2solutions.pub) Was I helpful? Let others know: http://svcs.affero.net/rm.php?r=jkeating -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: signature URL: From elwoo at videotron.ca Thu Oct 16 18:44:43 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 14:44:43 -0400 Subject: show details in Test 3 oddness In-Reply-To: <3F8EA578.6020503@atl.lmco.com> References: <3F8E31CF.2050708@tech-access.com> <3F8EA578.6020503@atl.lmco.com> Message-ID: <200310161444.43428.elwoo@videotron.ca> On October 16, 2003 10:04 am, Douglas Stewart , > wrote: > Excuse my ignorance, but update to what? From where? Using what tool? > ~ My up2date flakes out on some devel headers that it claims aren't > gzipped and yum shows no available updates. Use up2date from Fedora Core Test 3. First, run up2date-configure, then launch up2date. It will prompt you to "register with RHN" but clicking on "ok", and you will be linked to "rawhide". Up2date (in Test 3) now uses yum - rawhide. HTH, Elton ;-) -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From ted at cypress.com Thu Oct 16 18:50:07 2003 From: ted at cypress.com (Thomas Dodd) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 13:50:07 -0500 Subject: redhat-config-xfree86 In-Reply-To: References: <200310151025.53935.czar@czarc.net> <200310151111.31353.czar@czarc.net> <3F8D8B9E.9050509@cypress.com> <200310151422.39731.czar@czarc.net> Message-ID: <3F8EE85F.2010504@cypress.com> Mike A. Harris wrote: >>On Wednesday 15 October 2003 14:02, Thomas Dodd wrote: >> >>>Or do you me a "Made by" board and no a "Powered by" board? > It's "Built by ATI" and "Powered by ATI", not "made by". touch? -Thomas From ryanpg at yahoo.com Thu Oct 16 18:53:57 2003 From: ryanpg at yahoo.com (Ryan G.) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 11:53:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: CD mounting problem In-Reply-To: <20031016183506.10693.19262.Mailman@listman.back-rdu.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20031016185357.78238.qmail@web10006.mail.yahoo.com> With both shrike and fedora I've on occasion had to issue the updfstab command to regain mount-ability of a cdrom... dunno why it's happening in the first place but this seems to fix it. -ry >Message: 13 >Subject: CD mounting problem > > >I just did a clean install of Test 3. I was using Test 1 and was >very >happy with it. I had burned all my data files to a cd's and when I >tried >to mount the cd's I get this error message. >mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/cdrom, > or too many mounted file systems > (could this be the IDE device where you in fact use > ide-scsi so that sr0 or sda or so is needed?) > >This is the first time I have seen this error, what is going on? Thanks, Brian ===== --r-- From j.rink at freenet.de Thu Oct 16 05:52:11 2003 From: j.rink at freenet.de (=?UTF-8?B?SsO2cm4=?= Rink) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 07:52:11 +0200 Subject: wine on FC In-Reply-To: <3F8D6398.1020802@lopht.net> References: <3F8D6398.1020802@lopht.net> Message-ID: <20031016075211.44c7f764.j.rink@freenet.de> On Wed, 15 Oct 2003 10:11:20 -0500 Justin Georgeson wrote: > earlier this month there was a thread about building wine 20030911 on > FC .94. The problem seemed to be that the krb5-devel package moved its > > header files from /usr/include/kerberos to /usr/include. I'm still > having that same problem on a current rawhide system. I was wondering > if anyone has investigated this at all? > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > and why is this a problem with wine? cu -- Nine (not 9) Never trust a hippie From j.rink at freenet.de Thu Oct 16 05:58:40 2003 From: j.rink at freenet.de (=?UTF-8?B?SsO2cm4=?= Rink) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 07:58:40 +0200 Subject: Yum'ification of the rhn_applet In-Reply-To: <20031015083550.D16905@redhat.com> References: <20031015083550.D16905@redhat.com> Message-ID: <20031016075840.50a1b4a8.j.rink@freenet.de> On Wed, 15 Oct 2003 08:35:50 -0400 Daniel Veillard wrote: > I have just released an updated version of rhn_applet which > should work better for the Fedora framework: > - handle Yum repositories > - handle multiple repositories > - does not require RHN registration > > You can find it at: > http://people.redhat.com/~veillard/testing/yum/rhn-applet/2.1.0/ > the Yum/Fedora repository for it is: > http://people.redhat.com/~veillard/testing/yum/rhn-applet/ > It uses the same configuration file as up2date, i.e. > /etc/sysconfig/rhn/sources > > Features: > - do some caching on the client see ~/.rhn-applet/*.yum > - tries to limit the load on servers to a minimal amount > - the applet does not need to be restarted if sources are > added or removed from /etc/sysconfig/rhn/sources > - should be able to handle HTTPS connections > > TODO: > - HTTP(S) proxy support (easy) when do you think, we can have this one? > - FTP support > - better error reporting when source are unavailable > > Feedback welcome, > > Daniel > > -- > Daniel Veillard | Red Hat Network https://rhn.redhat.com/ > veillard at redhat.com | libxml GNOME XML XSLT toolkit > http://xmlsoft.org/ > http://veillard.com/ | Rpmfind RPM search engine http://rpmfind.net/ > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > -- Nine (not 9) Never trust a hippie From whb at ceimaine.org Thu Oct 16 19:08:11 2003 From: whb at ceimaine.org (Will Backman) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 15:08:11 -0400 Subject: show details in Test 3 oddness In-Reply-To: <200310161444.43428.elwoo@videotron.ca> References: <3F8E31CF.2050708@tech-access.com> <3F8EA578.6020503@atl.lmco.com> <200310161444.43428.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <1066331290.27393.14.camel@localhost.localdomain> I'm on beta 3, and after rhn_register, up2date, it tells me I have no base channel, does not work. On Thu, 2003-10-16 at 14:44, Elton Woo wrote: > On October 16, 2003 10:04 am, Douglas Stewart , > wrote: > > Excuse my ignorance, but update to what? From where? Using what tool? > > ~ My up2date flakes out on some devel headers that it claims aren't > > gzipped and yum shows no available updates. > > Use up2date from Fedora Core Test 3. First, run up2date-configure, > then launch up2date. It will prompt you to "register with RHN" but clicking on > "ok", and you will be linked to "rawhide". Up2date (in Test 3) now uses > yum - rawhide. > > HTH, > > Elton ;-) From ted at cypress.com Thu Oct 16 19:08:13 2003 From: ted at cypress.com (Thomas Dodd) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 14:08:13 -0500 Subject: New extra packages and yum repository In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3F8EEC9D.2050705@cypress.com> Noah Silva [Mailing list] wrote: > A more important thing to fix would be the prehistoric xscreensaver > password entry box that lookis -nothing- like gnome (and makes me wonder I kind of like it... That comfy feeling and all. > what the difference between xscreensaver and gnome-xscreensaver is..) xscreensaver what starts the actual screensavers (they are sepperate programs) at the correct time with the correct settings. gnome-xscreensaver is not on my system. Did you mean screensave-properties-capplet instead? if so, it similar to xscreensaver-demo, both allow you to configure what/when/how xscreensaver runs. -Thomas From nsilva-list at aoi.atari-source.com Thu Oct 16 19:17:40 2003 From: nsilva-list at aoi.atari-source.com (Noah Silva [Mailing list]) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 15:17:40 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Yum'ification of the rhn_applet In-Reply-To: <20031016075840.50a1b4a8.j.rink@freenet.de> Message-ID: > > > > TODO: > > - HTTP(S) proxy support (easy) > > when do you think, we can have this one? earlier today, at least for HTTP, now if only proxy forked for up2date for me... > > > Feedback welcome, > > > > Daniel thanks, noah silva From whb at ceimaine.org Thu Oct 16 19:18:17 2003 From: whb at ceimaine.org (Will Backman) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 15:18:17 -0400 Subject: show details in Test 3 oddness In-Reply-To: <1066331290.27393.14.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <3F8E31CF.2050708@tech-access.com> <3F8EA578.6020503@atl.lmco.com> <200310161444.43428.elwoo@videotron.ca> <1066331290.27393.14.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1066331897.27393.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> Fixed it by commenting out the default yum line in /etc/sysconfig/rhn/sources On Thu, 2003-10-16 at 15:08, Will Backman wrote: > I'm on beta 3, and after rhn_register, up2date, it tells me I have no > base channel, does not work. > > On Thu, 2003-10-16 at 14:44, Elton Woo wrote: > > On October 16, 2003 10:04 am, Douglas Stewart , > > wrote: > > > Excuse my ignorance, but update to what? From where? Using what tool? > > > ~ My up2date flakes out on some devel headers that it claims aren't > > > gzipped and yum shows no available updates. > > > > Use up2date from Fedora Core Test 3. First, run up2date-configure, > > then launch up2date. It will prompt you to "register with RHN" but clicking on > > "ok", and you will be linked to "rawhide". Up2date (in Test 3) now uses > > yum - rawhide. > > > > HTH, > > > > Elton ;-) > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From notting at redhat.com Thu Oct 16 19:21:42 2003 From: notting at redhat.com (Bill Nottingham) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 15:21:42 -0400 Subject: RHGB - 'show details' behaving correctly? In-Reply-To: <3F8E31CF.2050708@tech-access.com>; from seanc@tech-access.com on Thu, Oct 16, 2003 at 09:51:11AM +0400 References: <3F8E31CF.2050708@tech-access.com> Message-ID: <20031016152142.A22435@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Sean Craig (seanc at tech-access.com) said: > I have a fully updated FC-t3 system. When I click on 'show details' at > the graphical boot, I only see the boot messages once the system hits > runlevel5. I would assume (rightly or wrongly) that I should see all > messages after the click..... > > bug, feature, security,,......?? 'impossible to implement the way it currently works'. The previous messages are from rc.sysinit; changing rc.sysinit's tty out from under it seems not really practical. Bill From jgeorgeson at lopht.net Thu Oct 16 19:23:49 2003 From: jgeorgeson at lopht.net (Justin Georgeson) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 14:23:49 -0500 Subject: wine on FC References: <3F8D6398.1020802@lopht.net> <20031016075211.44c7f764.j.rink@freenet.de> Message-ID: <3F8EF045.70300@lopht.net> J?rn Rink wrote: > On Wed, 15 Oct 2003 10:11:20 -0500 > Justin Georgeson wrote: > > >>earlier this month there was a thread about building wine 20030911 on >>FC .94. The problem seemed to be that the krb5-devel package moved its >> >>header files from /usr/include/kerberos to /usr/include. I'm still >>having that same problem on a current rawhide system. I was wondering >>if anyone has investigated this at all? > > > and why is this a problem with wine? > cu I hadn't really meant to imply fault on either side. But someone else responded that packages not using krb5-config, from the krb5-devel package, are the ones which no longer build. From whb at ceimaine.org Thu Oct 16 19:33:26 2003 From: whb at ceimaine.org (Will Backman) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 15:33:26 -0400 Subject: better warning for no GPG signature? Message-ID: <1066332805.27393.20.camel@localhost.localdomain> When up2date encounters an RPM without GPG sig, the dialog box comes up as a question box. For the average user, this might not be enough of a warning. Is there a way to either give more info (such as adding a line that says "This might be a security risk") or changing the dialog box to more of a warning style box? -- Will From garrett at redhat.com Thu Oct 16 19:34:10 2003 From: garrett at redhat.com (Garrett LeSage) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 15:34:10 -0400 Subject: New extra packages and yum repository In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3F8EF2B2.5090805@redhat.com> Noah Silva [Mailing list] wrote: >A more important thing to fix would be the prehistoric xscreensaver >password entry box that lookis -nothing- like gnome (and makes me wonder >what the difference between xscreensaver and gnome-xscreensaver is..) > > I had a replacement for that "help! my monitor is on fire!" graphic a while back. If I remember correctly, the dialog hardcodes the image in XPM format within some source code, so it's not as easy to replace the image as it is to theme everything else, so we didn't get it in back then. The entire look of it also needs to change, as you state. I wish it used GTK+ and was aware of themes, or could at least be able to have a drop-in graphic replacement on runtime instead of a hard-coded one. Garrett From elwoo at videotron.ca Thu Oct 16 19:36:05 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 15:36:05 -0400 Subject: old gedit bug resurfaces (Bug # 107312) Message-ID: <200310161536.05700.elwoo@videotron.ca> This bug was present in the betas for RH9 (shrike) and it's back again in Severn and Fedora Core: SUMMARY: copy with mouse RMB does not work if pointer is outside selected text LINK:https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=107312 Kindly add comments and observations as appropriate. TIA, Elton ;-) -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From elwoo at videotron.ca Thu Oct 16 19:38:47 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 15:38:47 -0400 Subject: show details in Test 3 oddness In-Reply-To: <1066331897.27393.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <3F8E31CF.2050708@tech-access.com> <1066331290.27393.14.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1066331897.27393.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <200310161538.47060.elwoo@videotron.ca> On October 16, 2003 03:18 pm, Will Backman , > wrote: > Fixed it by commenting out the default yum line in > /etc/sysconfig/rhn/sources > > On Thu, 2003-10-16 at 15:08, Will Backman wrote: > > I'm on beta 3, and after rhn_register, up2date, it tells me I have no > > base channel, does not work. > > > > On Thu, 2003-10-16 at 14:44, Elton Woo wrote: > > > Use up2date from Fedora Core Test 3. First, run up2date-configure, > > > then launch up2date. It will prompt you to "register with RHN" but > > > clicking on "ok", and you will be linked to "rawhide". Up2date (in Test > > > 3) now uses yum - rawhide. > > > > > > HTH, I had *deleted* my system profile from RHN, _before_ installing Fedora Core Test3, FWIW... Elton ;-) -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From jaap_haitsma at zonnet.nl Thu Oct 16 19:41:02 2003 From: jaap_haitsma at zonnet.nl (Jaap A. Haitsma) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 21:41:02 +0200 Subject: better warning for no GPG signature? In-Reply-To: <1066332805.27393.20.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1066332805.27393.20.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <3F8EF44E.8020205@zonnet.nl> Will Backman wrote: > When up2date encounters an RPM without GPG sig, the dialog box comes up > as a question box. For the average user, this might not be enough of a > warning. Is there a way to either give more info (such as adding a line > that says "This might be a security risk") or changing the dialog box to > more of a warning style box? > > -- Will > Can I also suggest to get a button "Yes to all" (I'm getting a bit tired pushing yes all the time with all the current packages that are unsigned), with a proper warning of course ;-) Jaap From elwoo at videotron.ca Thu Oct 16 19:43:07 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 15:43:07 -0400 Subject: gnopernicus (was Re: Speakup in kernel In-Reply-To: <3163.142.167.72.162.1066313381.squirrel@mail.ceimaine.org> References: <3163.142.167.72.162.1066313381.squirrel@mail.ceimaine.org> Message-ID: <200310161543.07242.elwoo@videotron.ca> On October 16, 2003 10:09 am, Will Backman , > wrote: > Also, with the graphical package install tool, I did not notice where one > could select the gnopernicus package. Is it just an "under the radar" > package for testing? The gnopernicus package has to be installed "manually" from the CDs. It gets added to the KDE menus, but does not show up in Gnome. I don't know if this has anything to do with it (Gnome panel crash), but shortly after loading it, logging out of KDE, and into Gnome, the panel crashed horribly... with a loss of almost *all* the icons. I had to logout with ALT-CTRL-BKSPC. After a complete poweroff of the machine, and today's bootup, the Gnome panel is back with the (my) added applets. Elton ;-) -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From nphilipp at redhat.com Thu Oct 16 19:44:07 2003 From: nphilipp at redhat.com (Nils Philippsen) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 21:44:07 +0200 Subject: New extra packages and yum repository In-Reply-To: <3F8CA600.7010202@insight.rr.com> References: <1066147414.4511.36.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> <3F8CA600.7010202@insight.rr.com> Message-ID: <1066333447.5332.93.camel@wombat.tiptoe.de> On Wed, 2003-10-15 at 03:42, Jim Cornette wrote: > Nils Philippsen wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > I've put up some new packages/versions on > > http://lisas.de/~nils/fedora/0.95/ > > > > extras: > > - conglomerate-0.7.5-1 (XML editor) > > - rss-glx-0.7.6-1 (screen savers, need new ImageMagick packages from > > updates) > > Most of the repository programs listed, installed, except I had to dl > this program manually. up2date hung on checking dependecies. > > rpm initially gave me the error below. > > warning: rss-glx-0.7.6-1.i386.rpm: V3 DSA signature: NOKEY, key ID 69513011 > error: Failed dependencies: > libopenal.so.0 is needed by rss-glx-0.7.6-1 > > After installing OpenAL-0.0.6.cvs20030704-1.i386.rpm it installed > through rpm. Hmm, works for me (but I have updated the yum headers in the meantime): [...] root at gibraltar:~> up2date --dry-run rss-glx Fetching package list for channel: rawhide... Fetching http://ftp-stud.fht-esslingen.de/pub/redhat/linux/rawhide//headers/header.info... ######################################## Fetching package list for channel: nils-extras... Fetching http://lisas.de/~nils/yum/fedora/0.95/i386/extras//headers/header.info... ######################################## Fetching Obsoletes list for channel: rawhide... ######################################## Fetching Obsoletes list for channel: nils-extras... ######################################## Fetching rpm headers... ######################################## Name Version Rel ---------------------------------------------------------- rss-glx 0.7.6 1 i386 Testing package set / solving RPM inter-dependencies... ######################################## Name Version Rel ---------------------------------------------------------- rss-glx 0.7.6 1 i386 OpenAL 0.0.6.cvs200307041 i386 The following packages were added to your selection to satisfy dependencies: Name Version Release -------------------------------------------------------------- OpenAL 0.0.6.cvs200307041 [...] > I believe toppler hung also on checking deps through up2date. worked as well Nils -- Nils Philippsen / Red Hat / nphilipp at redhat.com "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- B. Franklin, 1759 PGP fingerprint: C4A8 9474 5C4C ADE3 2B8F 656D 47D8 9B65 6951 3011 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From nsilva-list at aoi.atari-source.com Thu Oct 16 19:50:51 2003 From: nsilva-list at aoi.atari-source.com (Noah Silva [Mailing list]) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 15:50:51 -0400 (EDT) Subject: New extra packages and yum repository In-Reply-To: <3F8EF2B2.5090805@redhat.com> Message-ID: > Noah Silva [Mailing list] wrote: > > >A more important thing to fix would be the prehistoric xscreensaver > >password entry box that lookis -nothing- like gnome (and makes me wonder > >what the difference between xscreensaver and gnome-xscreensaver is..) > > I had a replacement for that "help! my monitor is on fire!" graphic a > while back. If I remember correctly, the dialog hardcodes the image in > XPM format within some source code, so it's not as easy to replace the > image as it is to theme everything else, so we didn't get it in back then. > > The entire look of it also needs to change, as you state. > > I wish it used GTK+ and was aware of themes, or could at least be able > to have a drop-in graphic replacement on runtime instead of a hard-coded > one. > > Garrett > Obviously, I haven't looked at the source code for it, and you have, but: I would think, xscreensaver itself does very little anyway (reads some configuration, launches the screensaver binaries, and presents that wonderful password screen. I would think, if nothing else, the UI part could be ripped out and re-written fairly easily? The lock part could even use some code from gdm possibly. (I always thought it would be nice if when the screen is locked, there would be an option to "log in again", that would start X on the next VT, and bring up GDM there. Then when someone locks the computer and leaves, someone else with an account can still easily log in...). As a hack in the meantime, perhaps the XMP can just be made loadable. -- noah silva From vid at linuxpowered.com Thu Oct 16 19:49:55 2003 From: vid at linuxpowered.com (Vidyut Luther) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 14:49:55 -0500 Subject: better warning for no GPG signature? In-Reply-To: <3F8EF44E.8020205@zonnet.nl> References: <1066332805.27393.20.camel@localhost.localdomain> <3F8EF44E.8020205@zonnet.nl> Message-ID: <1066333795.10124.15.camel@o7344-lnx.bic-bill.com> for the yes to all button, you can invoke up2date with --nosig option.. does the yes to all thing. On Thu, 2003-10-16 at 14:41, Jaap A. Haitsma wrote: > Will Backman wrote: > > When up2date encounters an RPM without GPG sig, the dialog box comes up > > as a question box. For the average user, this might not be enough of a > > warning. Is there a way to either give more info (such as adding a line > > that says "This might be a security risk") or changing the dialog box to > > more of a warning style box? > > > > -- Will > > > Can I also suggest to get a button "Yes to all" (I'm getting a bit tired > pushing yes all the time with all the current packages that are > unsigned), with a proper warning of course ;-) > > Jaap > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list -- Vidyut Luther Linuxpowered, Inc http://www.linuxpowered.com vid at linuxpowered.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From operalover_99 at yahoo.com Thu Oct 16 19:54:56 2003 From: operalover_99 at yahoo.com (Michael Smith) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 12:54:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Question about dual-booting two versions of RedHat In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20031016195456.45258.qmail@web11008.mail.yahoo.com> Ed, --- "Edward C. Bailey" wrote: > (this becomes important a bit later in my > description). I have configured > a shared swap partition, a shared /home partition, > and separate /boot and / > partitions for each OS. > I, too have sometimes uses a shared /home partition in a dual production/testing setup. I had problems with the test setup doing nasty things to my desktop, such as giving me two sets of icons, or trashing my GNOME drawers. How do you get around such problems in a shared /home setup? Mike Smith __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From jaap_haitsma at zonnet.nl Thu Oct 16 19:59:06 2003 From: jaap_haitsma at zonnet.nl (Jaap A. Haitsma) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 21:59:06 +0200 Subject: better warning for no GPG signature? In-Reply-To: <1066333795.10124.15.camel@o7344-lnx.bic-bill.com> References: <1066332805.27393.20.camel@localhost.localdomain> <3F8EF44E.8020205@zonnet.nl> <1066333795.10124.15.camel@o7344-lnx.bic-bill.com> Message-ID: <3F8EF88A.6080101@zonnet.nl> Vidyut Luther wrote: > for the yes to all button, you can invoke up2date with --nosig option.. > does the yes to all thing. I know this but I just think it's far more user friendly if you can just normally launch it from the menu or the rhn applet Jaap From m.weerasinghe at ntlworld.com Thu Oct 16 20:04:56 2003 From: m.weerasinghe at ntlworld.com (Matheesha) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 21:04:56 +0100 Subject: Problems with the Add/Remove package tool In-Reply-To: <200310152255.22897.elwoo@videotron.ca> References: <3F8E0564.6040807@insight.rr.com> <200310152255.22897.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <1066334695.2897.16.camel@cpc1-hem12-3-0-cust143.lutn.cable.ntl.com> On Thu, 2003-10-16 at 03:55, Elton Woo wrote: > > > drove me half mad trying to make a bug report. > > It's a known bug with redhat-config-packages. > See: > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=100445 > > Elton ;-) The same bug is documented as 105767 to which I have made bug reports. Can we get one removed as it is a duplicate. Cheers M@ From ed at redhat.com Thu Oct 16 20:13:32 2003 From: ed at redhat.com (Edward C. Bailey) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 16:13:32 -0400 Subject: Question about dual-booting two versions of RedHat In-Reply-To: <20031016195456.45258.qmail@web11008.mail.yahoo.com> (Michael Smith's message of "Thu, 16 Oct 2003 12:54:56 -0700 (PDT)") References: <20031016195456.45258.qmail@web11008.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: >>>>> "Michael" == Michael Smith writes: Michael> --- "Edward C. Bailey" wrote: >> (this becomes important a bit later in my description). I have >> configured a shared swap partition, a shared /home partition, and >> separate /boot and / partitions for each OS. Michael> I, too have sometimes uses a shared /home partition in a dual Michael> production/testing setup. I had problems with the test setup doing Michael> nasty things to my desktop, such as giving me two sets of icons, Michael> or trashing my GNOME drawers. How do you get around such problems Michael> in a shared /home setup? Well, remember that this is a box dedicated 100% to testing, so a couple things are true: o I don't typically customize my desktop environment all that much (I do documentation, so I'm more interested in the stone-stock configuration) o If something goes wrong, I can always blow away my homedir and create a new one That said, I've not personally run into anything nearly as nasty as you have. Not that it couldn't happen, though... Ed -- Ed Bailey Red Hat, Inc. http://www.redhat.com/ From elwoo at videotron.ca Thu Oct 16 20:25:05 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 16:25:05 -0400 Subject: Problems with the Add/Remove package tool In-Reply-To: <1066334695.2897.16.camel@cpc1-hem12-3-0-cust143.lutn.cable.ntl.com> References: <200310152255.22897.elwoo@videotron.ca> <1066334695.2897.16.camel@cpc1-hem12-3-0-cust143.lutn.cable.ntl.com> Message-ID: <200310161625.05847.elwoo@videotron.ca> On October 16, 2003 04:04 pm, Matheesha , > wrote: > > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=100445 > > The same bug is documented as 105767 to which I have made bug reports. > Can we get one removed as it is a duplicate. IMHO, since you are the reporter, you would have to go in and mark it as a duplicate yourself, *or* mention it to the assigned Red Hat engineer. Elton ;-) -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From alan at redhat.com Thu Oct 16 20:34:43 2003 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 16:34:43 -0400 (EDT) Subject: RHGB - 'show details' behaving correctly? In-Reply-To: <20031016152142.A22435@devserv.devel.redhat.com> from "Bill Nottingham" at Hyd 16, 2003 03:21:42 Message-ID: <200310162034.h9GKYhk21716@devserv.devel.redhat.com> > 'impossible to implement the way it currently works'. The previous > messages are from rc.sysinit; changing rc.sysinit's tty out from under > it seems not really practical. Something at the top of rc.sysinit like this ? if [ \! "$WOMBATS_ARECOOLx" = "yx" ] export WOMBATS_ARE_COOL=y . rc.sysinit $* <> blah exit fi From pp at ee.oulu.fi Thu Oct 16 20:37:08 2003 From: pp at ee.oulu.fi (Pekka Pietikainen) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 23:37:08 +0300 Subject: wine on FC In-Reply-To: <3F8D6398.1020802@lopht.net> References: <3F8D6398.1020802@lopht.net> Message-ID: <20031016203708.GA9825@ee.oulu.fi> On Wed, Oct 15, 2003 at 10:11:20AM -0500, Justin Georgeson wrote: > earlier this month there was a thread about building wine 20030911 on FC > .94. The problem seemed to be that the krb5-devel package moved its > header files from /usr/include/kerberos to /usr/include. I'm still > having that same problem on a current rawhide system. I was wondering if > anyone has investigated this at all? The problem seems to be that wine and krb5 use FAR for something very different (latter assumes it's empty, former probably uses it for something totally hideous). Doing a #undef FAR before including ssl.h does the trick for me. -- Pekka Pietikainen From alan at redhat.com Thu Oct 16 20:39:56 2003 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 16:39:56 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Install only offers ext2/3? In-Reply-To: <200310161425.21189.elwoo@videotron.ca> from "Elton Woo" at Hyd 16, 2003 02:25:21 Message-ID: <200310162039.h9GKdut24452@devserv.devel.redhat.com> > AFAIK, the "official" Red Hat stand is that resierfs is still sufficiently > unstable that they *don't* include it in the defaults. Installing with > "linux reiserfs" is considered to be AYOR. See previous discussions > WRT reiser in the shrike-list. Its at your own risk because its not subject to serious testing with things like the improvements and 2.5 backport code. Not because reiserfs is intrinsically unstable or flawed. I just want to make the distinction clear because its not an attempt so say reiserfs sucks or imply that. From alan at redhat.com Thu Oct 16 20:42:09 2003 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 16:42:09 -0400 (EDT) Subject: gdm login usability In-Reply-To: from "Noah Silva [Mailing list]" at Hyd 16, 2003 01:50:45 Message-ID: <200310162042.h9GKg9l25918@devserv.devel.redhat.com> > Not only that, but I _constantly_ do this in GDM: > type in username, grr... (it inserts a TAB char instead of moving to > the next field). I had almost kicked myself of this habit, and then > Ximian Desktop 2 fixed that Tab key... but apparently that change hasn't > made out of ximian's version... Try using XD2 when you have a tab in your password From marguz at ameritech.net Thu Oct 16 20:47:22 2003 From: marguz at ameritech.net (Mark Guzzo) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 15:47:22 -0500 Subject: Rhythmbox / Gstreamer ? Message-ID: <1066337241.13543.17.camel@LORDLINUX.global.shsystem.org> Has anyone been able to use Rhythmbox with test3? I would click on a radio title and get this message.. Error: Failed to create spider element; check your installation My guess is that it has to do with gstreamer. Is there something that I must do before I can use Rhythmbox? Also, are you able to see a preview image of a movie in Nautilus while using gstreamer? MArk From jgeorgeson at lopht.net Thu Oct 16 20:51:17 2003 From: jgeorgeson at lopht.net (Justin Georgeson) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 15:51:17 -0500 Subject: wine on FC References: <3F8D6398.1020802@lopht.net> <20031016203708.GA9825@ee.oulu.fi> Message-ID: <3F8F04C5.2070605@lopht.net> Pekka Pietikainen wrote: > On Wed, Oct 15, 2003 at 10:11:20AM -0500, Justin Georgeson wrote: > >>earlier this month there was a thread about building wine 20030911 on FC >>.94. The problem seemed to be that the krb5-devel package moved its >>header files from /usr/include/kerberos to /usr/include. I'm still >>having that same problem on a current rawhide system. I was wondering if >>anyone has investigated this at all? > > The problem seems to be that wine and krb5 use FAR for something > very different (latter assumes it's empty, former probably uses it > for something totally hideous). Doing a #undef FAR before including > ssl.h does the trick for me. that is indeed interesting, as only the first line that produces a compiler error (out of ~10) uses FAR. I'm tend to be wary of such fixes though, as I don't fully understand the potential side-effects. From ag.tex at tiscali.it Thu Oct 16 20:52:26 2003 From: ag.tex at tiscali.it (ags3) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 22:52:26 +0200 Subject: Question about dual-booting two versions of RedHat In-Reply-To: References: <20031016195456.45258.qmail@web11008.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200310162252.27214.ag.tex@tiscali.it> On 22:13, gioved? 16 ottobre 2003, Edward C. Bailey wrote: > >>>>> "Michael" == Michael Smith writes: > > Michael> --- "Edward C. Bailey" wrote: > >> (this becomes important a bit later in my description). I have > >> configured a shared swap partition, a shared /home partition, and > >> separate /boot and / partitions for each OS. > > Michael> I, too have sometimes uses a shared /home partition in a dual > Michael> production/testing setup. I had problems with the test setup doing > Michael> nasty things to my desktop, such as giving me two sets of icons, > Michael> or trashing my GNOME drawers. How do you get around such problems > Michael> in a shared /home setup? > > Well, remember that this is a box dedicated 100% to testing, so a couple > things are true: > > o I don't typically customize my desktop environment all that much (I > do documentation, so I'm more interested in the stone-stock > configuration) > > o If something goes wrong, I can always blow away my homedir and create > a new one > > That said, I've not personally run into anything nearly as nasty as you > have. Not that it couldn't happen, though... > > Ed i make an dedicated user for each os i have installed ags From elwoo at videotron.ca Thu Oct 16 21:00:46 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 17:00:46 -0400 Subject: better warning for no GPG signature? In-Reply-To: <3F8EF88A.6080101@zonnet.nl> References: <1066332805.27393.20.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1066333795.10124.15.camel@o7344-lnx.bic-bill.com> <3F8EF88A.6080101@zonnet.nl> Message-ID: <200310161700.46214.elwoo@videotron.ca> On October 16, 2003 03:59 pm, Jaap A. Haitsma , <"Jaap A. Haitsma" > wrote: > Vidyut Luther wrote: > > for the yes to all button, you can invoke up2date with --nosig option.. > > does the yes to all thing. > > I know this but I just think it's far more user friendly if you can just > normally launch it from the menu or the rhn applet ... or you can run up2date-config, and elect to NOT use GPG signatures... Elton ;-) -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From notting at redhat.com Thu Oct 16 21:03:16 2003 From: notting at redhat.com (Bill Nottingham) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 17:03:16 -0400 Subject: RHGB - 'show details' behaving correctly? In-Reply-To: <200310162034.h9GKYhk21716@devserv.devel.redhat.com>; from alan@redhat.com on Thu, Oct 16, 2003 at 04:34:43PM -0400 References: <20031016152142.A22435@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <200310162034.h9GKYhk21716@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20031016170315.A21432@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Alan Cox (alan at redhat.com) said: > > 'impossible to implement the way it currently works'. The previous > > messages are from rc.sysinit; changing rc.sysinit's tty out from under > > it seems not really practical. > > Something at the top of rc.sysinit like this ? > > if [ \! "$WOMBATS_ARECOOLx" = "yx" ] > export WOMBATS_ARE_COOL=y > . rc.sysinit $* <> blah > exit > fi The tty isn't active until potentially halfway through rc.sysinit. Bill From joe.ammond at edwardjones.com Thu Oct 16 21:09:04 2003 From: joe.ammond at edwardjones.com (Joe Ammond) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 16:09:04 -0500 Subject: up2date and proxy? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1066338544.6851.15.camel@bauhaus> On Thu, 2003-10-16 at 08:32, nsilva-list at aoi.atari-source.com wrote: > I am trying to use up2date on fc1t3 and a proxy server, and while up2date > has a place to fill in the proxy info, it seems like it isn't working? (or > redhat's site is timing out?) > > Actually, the problem doesn't seem to be the proxy server or redhat's > site, because I can load the URL fine in mozilla. > > Just for kicks, I set the http_proxy env. var., no change. > > also for fun, I tried passing the proxy info on the command like with > --proxy, --proxyUser, and --proxy-Password, but then it gave me even > stranger errors ("Invalid option -r"). > > partial error: > return opener.open(request) > File "/usr/lib/python2.2/urllib2.py", line 328, in open > '_open', req) > File "/usr/lib/python2.2/urllib2.py", line 307, in _call_chain > result = func(*args) > File "/usr/lib/python2.2/urllib2.py", line 824, in http_open > return self.do_open(httplib.HTTP, req) > File "/usr/lib/python2.2/urllib2.py", line 809, in do_open > raise URLError(err) > urllib2.URLError: I've done some digging into this issue. I normally don't log in directly as root, but sudo or su to run up2date. The yumRepo backend (which up2date uses to comminicate with a yum repository) uses the python urllib and urllib2 modules. Both of them respect the *_proxy environment variables. The yumRepo backend doesn't grab the proxy preferences from the up2date configuration, tho. I found that no matter how I set it, the http_proxy environment var wasn't getting to up2date. A print of os.environ showed a pristine environment. After much poking around in the up2date_client python code, I had a *duh* moment. consolehelper A quick path check showed that I was running /usr/bin/up2date, linked to consolehelper, which cleans the environment and calls /usr/sbin/up2date. Running /usr/sbin/up2date with http_proxy set allowed the yumRepo backend the ability to communicate through the proxies here without any problems. The real solution would be to re-write the yumRepo backend to honor the up2date configuration and call urllib/urllib2 with the appropriate proxies, but this works for now. I started patching yumRepo, but I'm not a python hacker, and didn't want to duplicate effort if this is already being worked on. I hope this helps others who have been stuck with this. ja. -- Joe Ammond joe.ammond at edwardjones.com From ed at redhat.com Thu Oct 16 21:12:44 2003 From: ed at redhat.com (Edward C. Bailey) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 17:12:44 -0400 Subject: Question about dual-booting two versions of RedHat In-Reply-To: <200310162252.27214.ag.tex@tiscali.it> (ag.tex@tiscali.it's message of "Thu, 16 Oct 2003 22:52:26 +0200") References: <20031016195456.45258.qmail@web11008.mail.yahoo.com> <200310162252.27214.ag.tex@tiscali.it> Message-ID: >>>>> "ags3" == ags3 writes: ags3> On 22:13, gioved? 16 ottobre 2003, Edward C. Bailey wrote: ... >> Well, remember that this is a box dedicated 100% to testing, so a >> couple things are true: >> >> o I don't typically customize my desktop environment all that much (I do >> documentation, so I'm more interested in the stone-stock configuration) >> >> o If something goes wrong, I can always blow away my homedir and create >> a new one ... ags3> i make an dedicated user for each os i have installed That's a good point; I should probably do that... Ed -- Ed Bailey Red Hat, Inc. http://www.redhat.com/ From alan at redhat.com Thu Oct 16 21:31:52 2003 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 17:31:52 -0400 (EDT) Subject: New extra packages and yum repository In-Reply-To: from "Mike A. Harris" at Hyd 15, 2003 07:11:18 Message-ID: <200310162131.h9GLVrj20452@devserv.devel.redhat.com> > I'm a bit mixed feeling about this. On one side, I'm kindof a > bit curious as to wether the rss screensavers are 100% copyright > clean, and comments on their website or in the source before > triggered my legal warning alarm, although I have no idea what it > was now as that was a year or more ago. It would certainly be important to check permission. There are other tools shipped which use web data from third parties but checking they have permission statements allowing it is important. (One obvious example for RSS is evolution) From whb at ceimaine.org Thu Oct 16 21:29:51 2003 From: whb at ceimaine.org (Will Backman) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 17:29:51 -0400 (EDT) Subject: gdm login usability In-Reply-To: <200310162042.h9GKg9l25918@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: from "Noah Silva [Mailing list]" at Hyd 16, 2003 01:50:45 <200310162042.h9GKg9l25918@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <49912.216.195.161.198.1066339791.squirrel@mail.ceimaine.org> Perhaps this is a gnome-devel issue, not a fedora issue. In the end, the question still stands: Do we belive the Sun study? Do we work to address the issues they raised? (ok, that should be questions still stand...) Does GDM currently have the ability to display an OK button? >> Not only that, but I _constantly_ do this in GDM: >> type in username, grr... (it inserts a TAB char instead of >> moving to the next field). I had almost kicked myself of this habit, >> and then Ximian Desktop 2 fixed that Tab key... but apparently that >> change hasn't made out of ximian's version... > > Try using XD2 when you have a tab in your password > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From notting at redhat.com Thu Oct 16 22:27:06 2003 From: notting at redhat.com (Bill Nottingham) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 18:27:06 -0400 Subject: New extra packages and yum repository In-Reply-To: <200310162131.h9GLVrj20452@devserv.devel.redhat.com>; from alan@redhat.com on Thu, Oct 16, 2003 at 05:31:52PM -0400 References: <200310162131.h9GLVrj20452@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20031016182706.B6954@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Alan Cox (alan at redhat.com) said: > > I'm a bit mixed feeling about this. On one side, I'm kindof a > > bit curious as to wether the rss screensavers are 100% copyright > > clean, and comments on their website or in the source before > > triggered my legal warning alarm, although I have no idea what it > > was now as that was a year or more ago. > > It would certainly be important to check permission. There are other tools > shipped which use web data from third parties but checking they have > permission statements allowing it is important. > > (One obvious example for RSS is evolution) The rss in rss-glx has nothing to do with the RSS protocol, AFAIK. Bill From paul.morgan at jumanjihouse.com Thu Oct 16 22:33:20 2003 From: paul.morgan at jumanjihouse.com (Paul Morgan) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 17:33:20 -0500 Subject: up2date and proxy? In-Reply-To: <1066338544.6851.15.camel@bauhaus> References: <1066338544.6851.15.camel@bauhaus> Message-ID: <1066343600.5167.17.camel@vaio.jumanjihouse.com> On Thu, 2003-10-16 at 16:09, Joe Ammond wrote: > The real solution would be to re-write the yumRepo backend to honor > the up2date configuration IMHO it would be better if all network apps would simply honor the user's *-proxy settings by default and use their own, internal proxy settings only as an override. This would provide flexibility while at the same time reducing the admin overhead. > I hope this helps others who have been stuck with this. Your troubleshooting is very cool! From veillard at redhat.com Thu Oct 16 22:38:56 2003 From: veillard at redhat.com (Daniel Veillard) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 18:38:56 -0400 Subject: Yum'ification of the rhn_applet In-Reply-To: <20031016075840.50a1b4a8.j.rink@freenet.de>; from j.rink@freenet.de on Thu, Oct 16, 2003 at 07:58:40AM +0200 References: <20031015083550.D16905@redhat.com> <20031016075840.50a1b4a8.j.rink@freenet.de> Message-ID: <20031016183856.L16905@redhat.com> On Thu, Oct 16, 2003 at 07:58:40AM +0200, J?rn Rink wrote: > On Wed, 15 Oct 2003 08:35:50 -0400 > > TODO: > > - HTTP(S) proxy support (easy) > > when do you think, we can have this one? 2.1.1 released this morning (my time) http://people.redhat.com/~veillard/testing/yum/rhn-applet/ > > - better error reporting when source are unavailable that's in 2.1.1 though not graphically, you just get a warning in the critical informations obtained when clicking on the applet > > - FTP support Still left TODO. I want timestamp support a-la Last-Modified of HTTP 304 to not download from the servers unless absolutely needed. Daniel -- Daniel Veillard | Red Hat Network https://rhn.redhat.com/ veillard at redhat.com | libxml GNOME XML XSLT toolkit http://xmlsoft.org/ http://veillard.com/ | Rpmfind RPM search engine http://rpmfind.net/ From warlock_ba at hotmail.com Thu Oct 16 23:47:10 2003 From: warlock_ba at hotmail.com (Botoaca Andrei) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 02:47:10 +0300 Subject: KDE dies! Message-ID: Since the last KDE updates (I think 14Oct) KDE uses to die after about 1-2 hours of working ... But not all of it, only the window manager, and sometimes everything , but the running applications still work, but don't have any window decorations or anything, are not moveable etc ... Anyone any ideea? Problem was not before update! _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail From redhat-jc at insight.rr.com Thu Oct 16 23:48:30 2003 From: redhat-jc at insight.rr.com (Jim Cornette) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 19:48:30 -0400 Subject: Add/Remove Application Bug In-Reply-To: <1066320109.19550.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1066320109.19550.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <3F8F2E4E.70708@insight.rr.com> Tony Savage wrote: > When trying to add/remove packages in the Add/Remove Application window, > GUI in KDE, it asks for CD1, when I click "OK" it pauses for about 2 > seconds, then puts then asks for CD1 again. Anyone else having this > problem and know of a way to stop it from doing this? All CD's are > checksum'd too, so thats not where this error is coming from. Thanks. > I filed a bug against comps. It was reassigned to redhat-config-packages. There hasn't been activity posted on that bug since the re-assignment. My assumption is that redhat-config-packages gets it's disc loaction information from comps.rpm. If the information is incorrect, then redhat-config-packages will ask for a disc in a different location than the program. I've also had redhat-config-package ask for a disc for a program that was a dependacy for the program being installed. If your program requires a newer version than the one that is on the CD, it will still loop for disc insertion. I think that we need more information, as users, as to what the heck the error is related to.In my caae it was lynx being moved to disc 1, instead of it's prior location on disc 3. I didn't know that lynx was on disc 1 until file browsing. A helpful addition to redhat-config-packages would be for the program to count the tries to disc whatever. Then error out with the third try or give you a "what's wrong" or "details" button where it would tell you RCP was trying to fetch package program-1.0.2, program version different or not found. Then you should be able to abort, reselect your options or skip particular program where problem is encountered. Also, it was discussed earlier that comps.rpm was thought by rpm to be older than the actually newer version of the program. Since it only counted to 9, then changed project name and went from 9.x.x to 0.x.x you will have to get the installation cd and run rpm -U comps.rpm --oldpackage from the base directory on disc 1. It might be located in the RPMS directory also, I don't know, never looked there for it. Jim -- Nature makes boys and girls lovely to look upon so they can be tolerated until they acquire some sense. -- William Phelps From fedora-list at planetmirror.com Thu Oct 16 23:52:54 2003 From: fedora-list at planetmirror.com (Dan Goodes) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 09:52:54 +1000 (EST) Subject: New extra packages and yum repository In-Reply-To: <20031016182706.B6954@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 16 Oct 2003, Bill Nottingham wrote: > Alan Cox (alan at redhat.com) said: > > > I'm a bit mixed feeling about this. On one side, I'm kindof a > > > bit curious as to wether the rss screensavers are 100% copyright > > > clean, and comments on their website or in the source before > > > triggered my legal warning alarm, although I have no idea what it > > > was now as that was a year or more ago. > > > > It would certainly be important to check permission. There are other tools > > shipped which use web data from third parties but checking they have > > permission statements allowing it is important. > > > > (One obvious example for RSS is evolution) > > The rss in rss-glx has nothing to do with the RSS protocol, AFAIK. Indeed - IIRC it's "Really Slick Savers" as in the Xscreensaver port of the Wind0ws "Really Slick Savers" screensaver. -Dan From yinyang at eburg.com Thu Oct 16 23:59:48 2003 From: yinyang at eburg.com (Gordon Messmer) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 16:59:48 -0700 Subject: Install only offers ext2/3? In-Reply-To: <200310162039.h9GKdut24452@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <200310162039.h9GKdut24452@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <3F8F30F4.40407@eburg.com> Alan Cox wrote: > > Its at your own risk because its not subject to serious testing with things > like the improvements and 2.5 backport code. Not because reiserfs is > intrinsically unstable or flawed. I'd heard some discussions that indicated that ReiserFS doesn't check for hash collisions in its directories, and that there was a non-zero probability that a new file would replace an older file even though their names did not match. It seemed a little incredible. Is that claim now untrue? Was it ever true? From redhat-jc at insight.rr.com Fri Oct 17 00:05:41 2003 From: redhat-jc at insight.rr.com (Jim Cornette) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 20:05:41 -0400 Subject: CD mounting problem In-Reply-To: <1066324475.3194.4.camel@opera> References: <1066324475.3194.4.camel@opera> Message-ID: <3F8F3255.2000608@insight.rr.com> Brian McKie wrote: > Hi, > > I just did a clean install of Test 3. I was using Test 1 and was very > happy with it. I had burned all my data files to a cd's and when I tried > to mount the cd's I get this error message. > mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/cdrom, > or too many mounted file systems > (could this be the IDE device where you in fact use > ide-scsi so that sr0 or sda or so is needed?) > > This is the first time I have seen this error, what is going on? > > Thanks, Brian > I had a similar problem related to /dev/cdrom pointing to /dev/hdc instead of /dev/scd0 What does running the below commad from a terminal display for you? ls -la /dev/cdrom It should be similar to the below. If it shows /dev/hdx you might need to edit your symlink or just change the device line to /dev/scd0 in place of /dev/cdrom in your /etc/fstab file. (first entry, not the /mnt/cdrom entry) ls -la /dev/cdrom lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 9 Oct 7 18:32 /dev/cdrom -> /dev/scd0 Jim -- It shall be unlawful for any suspicious person to be within the municipality. -- Local ordinance, Euclid Ohio From elwoo at videotron.ca Thu Oct 16 20:36:50 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 16:36:50 -0400 Subject: openoffice is not added to the menus Message-ID: <200310161636.50370.elwoo@videotron.ca> It was suggested that running openoffice writer would create the menu items in Gnome ... which it did. However, there are no menu items for the open office application in KDE. Has anyone else noticed this? Elton -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From redhat-jc at insight.rr.com Fri Oct 17 00:37:29 2003 From: redhat-jc at insight.rr.com (Jim Cornette) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 20:37:29 -0400 Subject: gdm login usability In-Reply-To: <49912.216.195.161.198.1066339791.squirrel@mail.ceimaine.org> References: "2003 01:50:45" <200310162042.h9GKg9l25918@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <49912.216.195.161.198.1066339791.squirrel@mail.ceimaine.org> Message-ID: <3F8F39C9.50504@insight.rr.com> Will Backman wrote: > Perhaps this is a gnome-devel issue, not a fedora issue. In the end, the > question still stands: Do we belive the Sun study? Do we work to address > the issues they raised? (ok, that should be questions still stand...) > > Does GDM currently have the ability to display an OK button? > > >>>Not only that, but I _constantly_ do this in GDM: >>>type in username, grr... (it inserts a TAB char instead of >>>moving to the next field). I had almost kicked myself of this habit, >>>and then Ximian Desktop 2 fixed that Tab key... but apparently that >>>change hasn't made out of ximian's version... >> >>Try using XD2 when you have a tab in your password >> >> I agree that filtering out certain keystrokes is not a good idea. I never thought of using a tab in my password before, but who nows who'd use one. Since the login screen only has one field, I always just pressed enter. I never tried to tab, what to? Adding an additional button to the screen sounds harmless, as long as pressing enter still takes you through the process. It sounds better than ctl-alt-del to login though. Jim -- Common sense is the collection of prejudices acquired by age eighteen. -- Albert Einstein From elwoo at videotron.ca Thu Oct 16 20:42:32 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 16:42:32 -0400 Subject: Xfree GL still does not coexist with the nVidia drivers Message-ID: <200310161642.32985.elwoo@videotron.ca> XFree86-Mesa-libGL had to be removed using the --nodeps flag. Before installing the nVidia drivers with Fedora Core Test 3, the GL screensavers ran with no problems, but I had to install the dirvers to counteract the jittery mouse pointer in TuxRacer. Then, to re-enable the GL screen-savers, I had to remove XFree GL version: XFree86-4.3.0-40 Elton -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From daniel at codefish.net.au Fri Oct 17 00:44:12 2003 From: daniel at codefish.net.au (Daniel McNamara) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 10:44:12 +1000 (EST) Subject: Possible BIND setup bugs Message-ID: <1941.203.55.94.21.1066351452.squirrel@webmail.codefish.net.au> Hi there, Just two items with the bind install on a fresh fedora test 3 install (minimal with bind installed later). a) unlike previous fresh installs of bind with earlier fedora tests the /etc/rndc.key file does not seem to contain a pregenerated secret key with the suppled file containing: key "rndckey" { algorithm hmac-md5; secret "@KEY@"; }; It would seem as part of the generation process the key is not being made. I'm not sure if this is a delibrate move to foce users to make their own key or an actual issue. It does however prevent named from working "out-of-the-box". b) Once a key is generated named then works fine, however the default permissions on the /var/named directory do prevent the commands: rndc dumpdb rndc stats >From outputing their results (as they dump files into /var/named) The default permissions set on /var/named are: drwxr-x--- 2 root named 4096 Oct 16 22:27 named Since when using the rndc commans above the output is run as the named users (regardless of which local user ran the command) it can not write to the directory. However I have a funny feeling that these permissions are set for security reasons. Can anyone clear these two issues up for me? Cheers Daniel -------------------------------------------------- Sent from Code Fish Web Mail Code Fish - Fishing for clues http://www.codefish.net.au -------------------------------------------------- From gstool at earthlink.net Fri Oct 17 01:22:08 2003 From: gstool at earthlink.net (Gerry Tool) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 20:22:08 -0500 Subject: openoffice is not added to the menus In-Reply-To: <200310161636.50370.elwoo@videotron.ca> References: <200310161636.50370.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <1066353728.6353.0.camel@gstpc.earthlink.net> On Thu, 2003-10-16 at 15:36, Elton Woo wrote: > It was suggested that running openoffice writer would create the > menu items in Gnome ... which it did. However, there are no > menu items for the open office application in KDE. Has anyone else > noticed this? > > Elton I hadn't noticed it, but I just confirmed it. Are you going to bugzilla it? Gerry From knxmay001 at mail.uct.ac.za Fri Oct 17 02:15:09 2003 From: knxmay001 at mail.uct.ac.za (Maynard Kuona) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 04:15:09 +0200 Subject: Install only offers ext2/3? In-Reply-To: <3F8F30F4.40407@eburg.com> References: <200310162039.h9GKdut24452@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <3F8F30F4.40407@eburg.com> Message-ID: <3F8F50AD.1020406@mail.uct.ac.za> Gordon Messmer wrote: > Alan Cox wrote: > >> >> Its at your own risk because its not subject to serious testing with >> things >> like the improvements and 2.5 backport code. Not because reiserfs is >> intrinsically unstable or flawed. > > > I'd heard some discussions that indicated that ReiserFS doesn't check > for hash collisions in its directories, and that there was a non-zero > probability that a new file would replace an older file even though > their names did not match. It seemed a little incredible. Is that > claim now untrue? Was it ever true? > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list I heard this is true, but the chances are very remote. However, on a system with lots of files, the chances become greater. From eric at interplas.com Fri Oct 17 02:34:56 2003 From: eric at interplas.com (Eric Wood) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 22:34:56 -0400 Subject: openoffice is not added to the menus In-Reply-To: <200310161636.50370.elwoo@videotron.ca> References: <200310161636.50370.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <1066358096.2799.71.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2003-10-16 at 16:36, Elton Woo wrote: > It was suggested that running openoffice writer would create the > menu items in Gnome ... which it did. However, there are no > menu items for the open office application in KDE. Has anyone else > noticed this? Me too. -eric From redhat-jc at insight.rr.com Fri Oct 17 02:37:08 2003 From: redhat-jc at insight.rr.com (Jim Cornette) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 22:37:08 -0400 Subject: New extra packages and yum repository In-Reply-To: <1066333447.5332.93.camel@wombat.tiptoe.de> References: <1066147414.4511.36.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> <3F8CA600.7010202@insight.rr.com> <1066333447.5332.93.camel@wombat.tiptoe.de> Message-ID: <3F8F55D4.4020008@insight.rr.com> Nils Philippsen wrote: > On Wed, 2003-10-15 at 03:42, Jim Cornette wrote: > >>Nils Philippsen wrote: >> >>>Hi all, >>> >>>I've put up some new packages/versions on >>>http://lisas.de/~nils/fedora/0.95/ >>> >>>extras: >>>- conglomerate-0.7.5-1 (XML editor) >>>- rss-glx-0.7.6-1 (screen savers, need new ImageMagick packages from >>>updates) >> >>Most of the repository programs listed, installed, except I had to dl >>this program manually. up2date hung on checking dependecies. >> >>rpm initially gave me the error below. >> >>warning: rss-glx-0.7.6-1.i386.rpm: V3 DSA signature: NOKEY, key ID 69513011 >>error: Failed dependencies: >> libopenal.so.0 is needed by rss-glx-0.7.6-1 >> >>After installing OpenAL-0.0.6.cvs20030704-1.i386.rpm it installed >>through rpm. > > > Hmm, works for me (but I have updated the yum headers in the meantime): > > [...] > root at gibraltar:~> up2date --dry-run rss-glx > > Fetching package list for channel: rawhide... > > Fetching > http://ftp-stud.fht-esslingen.de/pub/redhat/linux/rawhide//headers/header.info... > ######################################## > > Fetching package list for channel: nils-extras... > > Fetching > http://lisas.de/~nils/yum/fedora/0.95/i386/extras//headers/header.info... > ######################################## > > Fetching Obsoletes list for channel: rawhide... > ######################################## > > Fetching Obsoletes list for channel: nils-extras... > ######################################## > > Fetching rpm headers... > ######################################## > > Name Version Rel > ---------------------------------------------------------- > rss-glx 0.7.6 > 1 > i386 > > > Testing package set / solving RPM inter-dependencies... > ######################################## > > Name Version Rel > ---------------------------------------------------------- > rss-glx 0.7.6 > 1 > i386 > OpenAL > 0.0.6.cvs200307041 i386 > > The following packages were added to your selection to satisfy > dependencies: > > Name Version Release > -------------------------------------------------------------- > OpenAL 0.0.6.cvs200307041 > [...] > I think the program took too long compared to my normal wait lengths for RHN packages. It might have finally resolved the deps in a few minute or three. But on another computer, I ended up getting in conflict with installing rss-glx on this machine. I have ImageMagick-5.5.6-5 and the other devel, c++ and perl packages installed from the related directory. I also have OpenAL-0.0.6.cvs20030704-1 installed. no other conflicts were encountered with the other packages. Jim Fetching Obsoletes list for channel: nils-extras... ######################################## Fetching rpm headers... ######################################## Name Version Rel ---------------------------------------------------------- rss-glx 0.7.6 1 i386 Testing package set / solving RPM inter-dependencies... There was a package dependency problem. The message was: Unresolvable chain of dependencies: rss-glx 0.7.6-1 requires libMagick.so.6 From cochranb at speakeasy.net Fri Oct 17 02:52:06 2003 From: cochranb at speakeasy.net (Robert L Cochran) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 22:52:06 -0400 Subject: AMD Athlon64 Systems In-Reply-To: <200310161121.04855.jkeating@j2solutions.net> References: <3F8E121B.2020103@speakeasy.net> <200310152120.55175.jkeating@j2solutions.net> <3F8E22A7.60005@speakeasy.net> <200310161121.04855.jkeating@j2solutions.net> Message-ID: <3F8F5956.3030003@speakeasy.net> I have a new question: would it be worthwhile investing in the Athlon64 from a programming perspective? E.g. write 64 bit programs while the rest of the world is still living on 32 bits? Thanks everyone for answering my original question about the Athlon64. I was surprised at the amount of response and I see even more clearly now that there are a lot of folks out there like Jesse, Seth et al who are right in the front lines of hardware technology. Bob Jesse Keating wrote: > On Wednesday 15 October 2003 21:46, Robert L Cochran wrote: > >>s this the 64-FX? Maybe you can share the system specs with me? But >>this is just a personal pipe dream of mine that I might not realize, >>so don't feel obligated. I would like to build such a system. Just as >>soon as my kids graduate from university and I've paid off the >>education costs :-) > > > No, it's just a Athlon64 3200+. I'll probably be building myself a > Atlhon64 Shuttle based system early next year though. It's about time > for my complete system upgrade (; > -- Bob Cochran Greenbelt, Maryland, USA http://greenbeltcomputer.biz/ From tdiehl at rogueind.com Fri Oct 17 03:08:02 2003 From: tdiehl at rogueind.com (Tom Diehl) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 23:08:02 -0400 (EDT) Subject: apt vs yum In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 16 Oct 2003, Mark Derricutt wrote: > On Thu, 16 Oct 2003 11:06:07 +0300, Pekka Pietikainen wrote: > > > yum is a lot easier to setup on the server end. Hopefully this has been > > improved for apt lately, setting up the directory hierarchy for it was not > > trivial last time I tried it. > > Speaking of yum server setups, anyone know of any HOWTO guides on setting > up a yum repository? I've got a few rpms I'm building and was thinking > of apt-ifying, but wouldn't mind checking out yum... Put the files in a directory accessible to yum, cd to that directory and run "yum-arch ." as root. How's that for a mini HOWTO?? :-) -- ......Tom Registered Linux User #14522 http://counter.li.org tdiehl at rogueind.com My current SpamTrap -------> mtd123 at rogueind.com From miketclew at nepotia.org Fri Oct 17 03:23:51 2003 From: miketclew at nepotia.org (Michael Clewley) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 23:23:51 -0400 Subject: apt vs yum In-Reply-To: <3F8DAE33.3000503@lopht.net>; from jgeorgeson@lopht.net on Wed, Oct 15, 2003 at 03:29:39PM -0500 References: <3F8DAA21.9080902@lopht.net> <200310151318.48980.jkeating@j2solutions.net> <3F8DAE33.3000503@lopht.net> Message-ID: <20031016232350.A27995@nepotia.nepotia.home> On 15, Justin Georgeson wrote: > Jesse Keating wrote: > > On Wednesday 15 October 2003 13:12, Justin Georgeson wrote: > > > what dirty tricks? APT should do nothing more than search > > > repositories for the specified package, check dependencies, download > > > candidates, and call rpm. That about sums it up. > > It used to call rpm with --force and --nodeps. Hopefully it doesn't do > > that anymore. Apt is adamant about package dependencies. One dependency not met, it suggests a "fix". Telling it to fix (via apt-get install -f), will then suggest any and all packages that are depended on to be installed. > I think it is still doing something like that then, as the RawHide RPMs > aren't necessarily signed, and I don't think I've seen it complain about > that. You might be ignoring the signatures explicitly. Check your apt.conf. I find it odd to hear that you (Justin) found yum to be slower than apt. It's my understanding that apt (for rpm) suffers from far more bloat and frankly sucks the life out of my old pentiums. But it's so damn effective and convenient, that I admin shy of two dozen redhat servers with it. Again, I've not tried YUM.. -mike -- Michael Clewley From rhl at farorbit.com Fri Oct 17 04:07:00 2003 From: rhl at farorbit.com (stephan schutter) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 23:07:00 -0500 Subject: Possible BIND setup bugs In-Reply-To: <1941.203.55.94.21.1066351452.squirrel@webmail.codefish.net.au> References: <1941.203.55.94.21.1066351452.squirrel@webmail.codefish.net.au> Message-ID: <3F8F6AE4.6030006@farorbit.com> Speaking of bind... is some one planning on adding a check box in the redhat-config tool that puts this in the named.cong: allow-query { 10.0.0.0/24; localhost; }; allow-recursion { 10.0.0.0/24; localhost; }; allow-transfer { localhost; }; so DDNS works. And the "key "rndckey"" stuff to in the dhcp config file... It took me hours of research to figure out those lines.... Prehaps we can save some on the pain? ;+) Daniel McNamara wrote: >Hi there, > >Just two items with the bind install on a fresh fedora test 3 install >(minimal with bind installed later). > >a) unlike previous fresh installs of bind with earlier fedora tests the >/etc/rndc.key file does not seem to contain a pregenerated secret key with >the suppled file containing: > >key "rndckey" { > algorithm hmac-md5; > secret "@KEY@"; >}; > >It would seem as part of the generation process the key is not being made. >I'm not sure if this is a delibrate move to foce users to make their own >key or an actual issue. It does however prevent named from working >"out-of-the-box". > >b) Once a key is generated named then works fine, however the default >permissions on the /var/named directory do prevent the commands: > >rndc dumpdb >rndc stats > >>From outputing their results (as they dump files into /var/named) > >The default permissions set on /var/named are: > >drwxr-x--- 2 root named 4096 Oct 16 22:27 named > >Since when using the rndc commans above the output is run as the named >users (regardless of which local user ran the command) it can not write to >the directory. However I have a funny feeling that these permissions are >set for security reasons. Can anyone clear these two issues up for me? > >Cheers > >Daniel > > > > >-------------------------------------------------- > Sent from Code Fish Web Mail > Code Fish - Fishing for clues > http://www.codefish.net.au >-------------------------------------------------- > > > >-- >fedora-test-list mailing list >fedora-test-list at redhat.com >http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > From michal at harddata.com Fri Oct 17 04:29:57 2003 From: michal at harddata.com (Michal Jaegermann) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 22:29:57 -0600 Subject: AMD Athlon64 Systems In-Reply-To: <3F8F5956.3030003@speakeasy.net>; from cochranb@speakeasy.net on Thu, Oct 16, 2003 at 10:52:06PM -0400 References: <3F8E121B.2020103@speakeasy.net> <200310152120.55175.jkeating@j2solutions.net> <3F8E22A7.60005@speakeasy.net> <200310161121.04855.jkeating@j2solutions.net> <3F8F5956.3030003@speakeasy.net> Message-ID: <20031016222957.B16891@mail.harddata.com> On Thu, Oct 16, 2003 at 10:52:06PM -0400, Robert L Cochran wrote: > E.g. write 64 bit programs while the > rest of the world is still living on 32 bits? Hm, "rest of the world"? Have you ever visited comp.os.linux.alpha? Or maybe you heard about Linux running on Sparc? FYI - 64-bit BLADE release of Linux on Alpha showed up in 1994. You have some catching up in front of you. :) I wonder why "All the world is VAX!" sentence comes so persistently to mind. Michal From warren at togami.com Fri Oct 17 05:04:17 2003 From: warren at togami.com (Warren Togami) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 19:04:17 -1000 Subject: AMD Athlon64 Systems In-Reply-To: <3F8F5956.3030003@speakeasy.net> References: <3F8E121B.2020103@speakeasy.net> <200310152120.55175.jkeating@j2solutions.net> <3F8E22A7.60005@speakeasy.net> <200310161121.04855.jkeating@j2solutions.net> <3F8F5956.3030003@speakeasy.net> Message-ID: <3F8F7851.9070406@togami.com> Robert L Cochran wrote: > I have a new question: would it be worthwhile investing in the Athlon64 > from a programming perspective? E.g. write 64 bit programs while the > rest of the world is still living on 32 bits? As for programming, you shouldn't think about it as 32bit or 64bit specific code. You should write portable code that works on any platform with minimal fuss. Warren From warren at togami.com Fri Oct 17 05:06:33 2003 From: warren at togami.com (Warren Togami) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 19:06:33 -1000 Subject: AMD Athlon64 Systems -- dual-940 boards with AGP+PCI-X are still costly ... In-Reply-To: <1066308076.9735.4.camel@earth.xades.com> References: <3F8E121B.2020103@speakeasy.net> <1066278620.1140.127.camel@bitman.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> <1066278706.23014.11.camel@binkley> <1066281714.1140.132.camel@bitman.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> <1066282635.23014.23.camel@binkley> <3F8E603F.1020106@reuel.net> <3F8E6AB7.1070900@togami.com> <1066308076.9735.4.camel@earth.xades.com> Message-ID: <3F8F78D9.1080602@togami.com> nosp wrote: > On Thu, 2003-10-16 at 10:53, Warren Togami wrote: > >> Right now the tests I could think of include: >> >>* openssl "speed" test >>* oggenc >> >>Any other suggestions? > > > kernel compile? I think a kernel compile would be a useless comparison because you would be using completely different compilers to make two kernels for different archs. That is not very representative of anything. > > For form's sake: (will mostly be exercising 32bit capabilities, but) > bonnie++ > bootup time (hopefully you won't be doing too much of this :)) > shutdown time > quake3 timedemo > bogomips :) > Perhaps quake3 if there is a 64bit version, but anything that relies heavily on disk rather than processor wouldn't be particularly interesting in a 32bit vs 64bit comparison. Warren From wacker at octothorp.org Fri Oct 17 05:20:29 2003 From: wacker at octothorp.org (William F. Acker WB2FLW +1-303-722-7209) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 23:20:29 -0600 (MDT) Subject: Speakup in kernel In-Reply-To: <3163.142.167.72.162.1066313381.squirrel@mail.ceimaine.org> References: <3163.142.167.72.162.1066313381.squirrel@mail.ceimaine.org> Message-ID: On Thu, 16 Oct 2003, Will Backman wrote: > Speakup was in the shipping kernel for a bit (was it Redhat 8?), then out > due to some issues. > Any word on if those issues have been worked out? The two problems that the RH folks, Matt Wilson in particular, mentioned have been fixed. The problem with non-English keyboards, and modularization. Only $DEITY knows if RH will ever put it back into the kernel. Kernels for all supported versions of RHL/Fedora can be found at ftp://linux-speakup.org/pub/disks/redhat/. Complete Speakup enabled ISO images for 8.0 and 9 can also be found there. When FC-1 is released, I'll build them also. BTW, the ISO's for 9 are fully up to date. The latest version can have its modules manually included in an initrd.img file so it starts upon boot. HTH. -- Bill in Denver From jgeorgeson at lopht.net Fri Oct 17 05:18:26 2003 From: jgeorgeson at lopht.net (Justin Georgeson) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 00:18:26 -0500 Subject: apt vs yum In-Reply-To: <20031016232350.A27995@nepotia.nepotia.home> References: <3F8DAA21.9080902@lopht.net> <200310151318.48980.jkeating@j2solutions.net> <3F8DAE33.3000503@lopht.net> <20031016232350.A27995@nepotia.nepotia.home> Message-ID: <3F8F7BA2.70307@lopht.net> Michael Clewley wrote: > On 15, Justin Georgeson wrote: > >>Jesse Keating wrote: >> >>>On Wednesday 15 October 2003 13:12, Justin Georgeson wrote: >>> >>>>what dirty tricks? APT should do nothing more than search >>>>repositories for the specified package, check dependencies, download >>>>candidates, and call rpm. > > > That about sums it up. > > >>>It used to call rpm with --force and --nodeps. Hopefully it doesn't do >>>that anymore. > > > Apt is adamant about package dependencies. One dependency not met, it > suggests a "fix". Telling it to fix (via apt-get install -f), will then > suggest any and all packages that are depended on to be installed. > > >>I think it is still doing something like that then, as the RawHide RPMs >>aren't necessarily signed, and I don't think I've seen it complain about >>that. > > > You might be ignoring the signatures explicitly. Check your apt.conf. It's not. Someone noted that the apt package from fedora.us has signature checking enabled, i've since switched to the apt package from freshrpms.net and haven't had any trouble > I find it odd to hear that you (Justin) found yum to be slower than apt. > It's my understanding that apt (for rpm) suffers from far more bloat and > frankly sucks the life out of my old pentiums. But it's so damn > effective and convenient, that I admin shy of two dozen redhat servers > with it. Again, I've not tried YUM.. I don't recall saying that yum is slower. From mark at talios.com Fri Oct 17 05:37:20 2003 From: mark at talios.com (Mark Derricutt) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 18:37:20 +1300 Subject: apt vs yum References: Message-ID: On Thu, 16 Oct 2003 23:08:02 -0400, Tom Diehl wrote: > How's that for a mini HOWTO?? :-) Too long ;-) Thanks. -- "It's all in the heat of the moment, it's all in the pain..." Devy. Mark Derricutt @ mark at talios.com @ talios.blog-city.com From mitr at volny.cz Fri Oct 17 06:38:54 2003 From: mitr at volny.cz (Miloslav Trmac) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 08:38:54 +0200 Subject: better warning for no GPG signature? In-Reply-To: <3F8EF88A.6080101@zonnet.nl> References: <1066332805.27393.20.camel@localhost.localdomain> <3F8EF44E.8020205@zonnet.nl> <1066333795.10124.15.camel@o7344-lnx.bic-bill.com> <3F8EF88A.6080101@zonnet.nl> Message-ID: <20031017063854.GA10472@popelka.ms.mff.cuni.cz> On Thu, Oct 16, 2003 at 09:59:06PM +0200, Jaap A. Haitsma wrote: > I know this but I just think it's far more user friendly if you can just > normally launch it from the menu or the rhn applet It is wise to make unsecurity user-friendly? Mirek From dennis at ausil.us Fri Oct 17 06:46:09 2003 From: dennis at ausil.us (Dennis Gilmore) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 16:46:09 +1000 Subject: up2date and apt Message-ID: <200310171646.11475.dennis@ausil.us> Hi all, anyone been suucesful withusing apt and up2date? every time i try to use it i get all sorts of errors. from a CL i get this it gets the package lists ok from most apt repositories but not rpm.livna.org Fetching package list for channel: rpm.livna.org-i386-stable... Fetching http://rpm.livna.org//fedora/0.95/i386/base/pkglist.stable.bz2... gh1 gh2 There was some sort of I/O error: HTTP Error 404: Not Found removing that one source i get this far Fetching Obsoletes list for channel: arjan-2.6-kernel-i386-kernel... Fetching obsoletes list for http://people.redhat.com/~arjanv/2.5/... Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/sbin/up2date", line 1183, in ? sys.exit(main() or 0) File "/usr/sbin/up2date", line 761, in main fullUpdate, dryRun=options.dry_run)) File "/usr/sbin/up2date", line 1046, in batchRun batch.run() File "up2dateBatch.py", line 58, in run File "up2dateBatch.py", line 96, in __findPackagesToUpdate File "packageList.py", line 123, in run File "rhnPackageInfo.py", line 404, in obsoletesList File "rpcServer.py", line 109, in doCall File "repoDirector.py", line 27, in getObsoletes File "rpmSource.py", line 249, in getObsoletes File "/usr/share/rhn/up2date_client/repoBackends/aptRepo.py", line 160, in getObsoletes hdrList = rpm.readHeaderListFromFile(fileHdrList) rpm.error: (2, 'No such file or directory') apt-get and synaptic work with all repositories fine. but i really like the way up2date handles kernel updates. Dennis From hu_zu at sina.com Fri Oct 17 07:17:22 2003 From: hu_zu at sina.com (Zu) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 15:17:22 +0800 Subject: oosetup error In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3F8F9782.6050608@sina.com> [kyle at dev3-86 kyle]$ cat /etc/issue Fedora Core release 0.95 (Severn) Kernel \r on an \m [kyle at dev3-86 kyle]$ locale LANG=zh_CN.GB18030 LC_CTYPE="zh_CN.GB18030" LC_NUMERIC="zh_CN.GB18030" LC_TIME="zh_CN.GB18030" LC_COLLATE="zh_CN.GB18030" LC_MONETARY="zh_CN.GB18030" LC_MESSAGES="zh_CN.GB18030" LC_PAPER="zh_CN.GB18030" LC_NAME="zh_CN.GB18030" LC_ADDRESS="zh_CN.GB18030" LC_TELEPHONE="zh_CN.GB18030" LC_MEASUREMENT="zh_CN.GB18030" LC_IDENTIFICATION="zh_CN.GB18030" LC_ALL= [kyle at dev3-86 kyle]$ oosetup sed????? /home/kyle/.openoffice/user/config/registry/instance/org/openoffice/Setup.xml? ????????? Starting OpenOffice.org ... From mandreiana at rdslink.ro Fri Oct 17 07:39:02 2003 From: mandreiana at rdslink.ro (Marius Andreiana) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 10:39:02 +0300 Subject: named service not listed in ntsysv Message-ID: <1066376342.5189.31.camel@marte.biciclete.ro> named service it's not listed in ntsysv. # chkconfig --list named service named supports chkconfig, but is not referenced in any runlevel (run 'chkconfig --add named') It works if added manually. -- Marius Andreiana LOAD - Linux Open Alternative Days Specialist Linux, Co-organizator http://www.load.ro From pp at ee.oulu.fi Fri Oct 17 08:15:02 2003 From: pp at ee.oulu.fi (Pekka Pietikainen) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 11:15:02 +0300 Subject: wine on FC In-Reply-To: <3F8F04C5.2070605@lopht.net> References: <3F8D6398.1020802@lopht.net> <20031016203708.GA9825@ee.oulu.fi> <3F8F04C5.2070605@lopht.net> Message-ID: <20031017081502.GA26018@ee.oulu.fi> On Thu, Oct 16, 2003 at 03:51:17PM -0500, Justin Georgeson wrote: > >The problem seems to be that wine and krb5 use FAR for something > >very different (latter assumes it's empty, former probably uses it > >for something totally hideous). Doing a #undef FAR before including > >ssl.h does the trick for me. > > that is indeed interesting, as only the first line that produces a > compiler error (out of ~10) uses FAR. I'm tend to be wary of such fixes > though, as I don't fully understand the potential side-effects. The first one causes typedef struct kssl_ctx_st { ... } KSSL_CTX; to not get defined. The rest of the errors are lines that use KSSL_CTX :-) wine defines FAR as #ifndef FAR #define FAR __ONLY_IN_WINELIB() #endif #ifdef __WINESRC__ #define __ONLY_IN_WINELIB(x) do_not_use_this_in_wine #else #define __ONLY_IN_WINELIB(x) x #endif so the line ends up as krb5_octet do_not_use_this_in_wine *key; So, if you want to play it safe I guess you could do something kludgy like #ifdef HAVE_OPENSSL_SSL_H #define DSA __ssl_DSA /* avoid conflict with commctrl.h */ #define __wine_FAR FAR /* avoid conflict with kssl.h */ #undef FAR # include #undef FAR #define FAR __wine_FAR #undef DSA -- Pekka Pietikainen From pp at ee.oulu.fi Fri Oct 17 08:28:10 2003 From: pp at ee.oulu.fi (Pekka Pietikainen) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 11:28:10 +0300 Subject: AMD Athlon64 Systems -- dual-940 boards with AGP+PCI-X are still costly ... In-Reply-To: <3F8F78D9.1080602@togami.com> References: <3F8E121B.2020103@speakeasy.net> <1066278620.1140.127.camel@bitman.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> <1066278706.23014.11.camel@binkley> <1066281714.1140.132.camel@bitman.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> <1066282635.23014.23.camel@binkley> <3F8E603F.1020106@reuel.net> <3F8E6AB7.1070900@togami.com> <1066308076.9735.4.camel@earth.xades.com> <3F8F78D9.1080602@togami.com> Message-ID: <20031017082810.GB26018@ee.oulu.fi> On Thu, Oct 16, 2003 at 07:06:33PM -1000, Warren Togami wrote: > >> Right now the tests I could think of include: > >> > >>* openssl "speed" test > >>* oggenc > >kernel compile? > > I think a kernel compile would be a useless comparison because you would > be using completely different compilers to make two kernels for > different archs. That is not very representative of anything. You could always do a crosscompiler and benchmark that. What I would find very interesting is gmpbench (http://www.swox.com/gmp/gmpbench.html) even though there's no athlon64-optimized assembler in the current gmp, both with SSE2-optimized 32-bit and 64-bit gmp. We've done some gmp benchmarks ourselves, fastest thing out there seems to be out there is the good old Alpha (well, 21364 at 1 GHz :-) ) followed by Itanium 2 1GHz (1.5 GHz should be about the same as the Alpha). 32-bit CPU's are somewhat slower even at 2.4 GHz :-) -- Pekka Pietikainen From m.weerasinghe at ntlworld.com Wed Oct 15 19:45:22 2003 From: m.weerasinghe at ntlworld.com (Matheesha) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 20:45:22 +0100 Subject: Problems with the Add/Remove package tool In-Reply-To: <3F8CDBB0.7030802@tuins.ac.jp> References: <3F8CDBB0.7030802@tuins.ac.jp> Message-ID: <1066247122.3034.5.camel@cpc1-hem12-3-0-cust143.lutn.cable.ntl.com> I think the issue is add/remove applications keeps unmounting the CDs that have been inserted. I raised my suspicions on bugzilla. M@ From hu_zu at sina.com Fri Oct 17 08:41:29 2003 From: hu_zu at sina.com (Zu) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 16:41:29 +0800 Subject: OOo and Mozilla i18n In-Reply-To: <20031017081502.GA26018@ee.oulu.fi> References: <3F8D6398.1020802@lopht.net> <20031016203708.GA9825@ee.oulu.fi> <3F8F04C5.2070605@lopht.net> <20031017081502.GA26018@ee.oulu.fi> Message-ID: <3F8FAB39.4000906@sina.com> Does Severn support non-english OOo and Mozilla ? From leam at reuel.net Fri Oct 17 09:05:07 2003 From: leam at reuel.net (leam) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 05:05:07 -0400 Subject: AMD Athlon64 Systems In-Reply-To: <3F8F5956.3030003@speakeasy.net> References: <3F8E121B.2020103@speakeasy.net> <200310152120.55175.jkeating@j2solutions.net> <3F8E22A7.60005@speakeasy.net> <200310161121.04855.jkeating@j2solutions.net> <3F8F5956.3030003@speakeasy.net> Message-ID: <3F8FB0C3.3060503@reuel.net> Robert L Cochran wrote: > I have a new question: would it be worthwhile investing in the Athlon64 > from a programming perspective? E.g. write 64 bit programs while the > rest of the world is still living on 32 bits? > > Thanks everyone for answering my original question about the Athlon64. I > was surprised at the amount of response and I see even more clearly now > that there are a lot of folks out there like Jesse, Seth et al who are > right in the front lines of hardware technology. > > Bob Have you gotten the series of books from AMD on the CPU? There are 5 and they may still send them to you free. Though if you really want to just do 64 bits, go buy an old Sparc64 like an Ultra1 or Ultra2. 64bits for much less. ciao! leam From markkukolkka at kolumbus.fi Fri Oct 17 09:41:21 2003 From: markkukolkka at kolumbus.fi (Markku Kolkka) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 12:41:21 +0300 Subject: openoffice is not added to the menus In-Reply-To: <200310161636.50370.elwoo@videotron.ca> References: <200310161636.50370.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <200310171241.21651.markkukolkka@kolumbus.fi> Elton Woo kirjoitti viestiss??n (l?hetysaika Torstai 16. Lokakuuta 2003 23:36): > It was suggested that running openoffice writer would create the > menu items in Gnome ... which it did. However, there are no > menu items for the open office application in KDE. Has anyone else > noticed this? Yes. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=106563 -- Markku Kolkka markku.kolkka at iki.fi From alan at redhat.com Fri Oct 17 09:56:08 2003 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 05:56:08 -0400 (EDT) Subject: New extra packages and yum repository In-Reply-To: <20031016182706.B6954@devserv.devel.redhat.com> from "Bill Nottingham" at Hyd 16, 2003 06:27:06 Message-ID: <200310170956.h9H9u8i27930@devserv.devel.redhat.com> > > (One obvious example for RSS is evolution) > > The rss in rss-glx has nothing to do with the RSS protocol, AFAIK. I'll go back to sleep then. Now a proper RSS screensaver would be neat ;) Alan -- program, n.: A magic spell cast over a computer allowing it to turn one's input into error messages. tr.v. To engage in a pastime similar to banging one's head against a wall, but with fewer opportunities for reward. From nphilipp at redhat.com Fri Oct 17 10:27:14 2003 From: nphilipp at redhat.com (Nils Philippsen) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 12:27:14 +0200 Subject: New extra packages and yum repository In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1066386433.31021.44.camel@cognac.stuttgart.redhat.com> On Thu, 2003-10-16 at 01:11, Mike A. Harris wrote: > On Wed, 15 Oct 2003, Chris Ricker wrote: > > >> I'd like to see the RSS-GLX included in redhat, or at least one of the > >> fedora servers.. I have seen rss-gls packages by at least one other > >> person, and by Ximian too... > >> > >> > - rss-glx-0.7.6-1 (screen savers, need new ImageMagick packages from > >> > >> If we're going to ship screen savers, we may as well ship good ones... > > > >As a counter-argument, though, there are enough problems with the GL-based > >xscreensaver savers crashing X servers already, without adding more eye > >candy into the mix which'll do the same (and if you look in bugzilla, you'll > >find there are already bug reports in there from RSS crashing X servers) > > I'm a bit mixed feeling about this. On one side, I'm kindof a > bit curious as to wether the rss screensavers are 100% copyright > clean, and comments on their website or in the source before > triggered my legal warning alarm, although I have no idea what it > was now as that was a year or more ago. I guess you mean this sentence on the web site: "After some licensing problems preventing inclusion in XScreenSaver (which is BSD/X licensed), my original intent, I've been asked to release my work in a standalone package." I read this like this: jwz doesn't want GPLed code in xscreensavers so rss-glx has to be released separately. Can you elaborate what you mean with "comments [...] in the source"? Nils -- Nils Philippsen / Red Hat / nphilipp at redhat.com "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- B. Franklin, 1759 PGP fingerprint: C4A8 9474 5C4C ADE3 2B8F 656D 47D8 9B65 6951 3011 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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It might have finally resolved the deps in a few minute or > three. > > But on another computer, I ended up getting in conflict with installing > rss-glx on this machine. > > I have ImageMagick-5.5.6-5 and the other devel, c++ and perl packages > installed from the related directory. > > I also have OpenAL-0.0.6.cvs20030704-1 installed. no other conflicts > were encountered with the other packages. > > Jim > > > > Fetching Obsoletes list for channel: nils-extras... > ######################################## > > Fetching rpm headers... > ######################################## > > Name Version Rel > ---------------------------------------------------------- > rss-glx 0.7.6 1 > i386 > > > > Testing package set / solving RPM inter-dependencies... > There was a package dependency problem. The message was: > > Unresolvable chain of dependencies: > rss-glx 0.7.6-1 requires libMagick.so.6 You also need the "updates" repository in /etc/sysconfig/rhn/sources so up2date can install the new ImageMagick package. I intentionally put ImageMagick in another repo so that people don't accidentally update to it. BTW: The updated ImageMagick can't be in "Extras" nor "Alternatives" according to what I read on fedora.redhat.com -- newer versions of "Core" packages needed for "Extras" can't be in "Alternatives" because "Extras" may not depend on "Alternatives" (that's why I put it in an "updates" repo) -- any clues on that? NB: yum even fails on rss-glx because it doesn't think of updating ImageMagick-{c++,perl} which require the matching library. Nils -- Nils Philippsen / Red Hat / nphilipp at redhat.com "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- B. 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No log messages and all other systems continue working well (I cannot change to any vt, but I can use ssh to get into the system). The X server has to be killed -9 and can then be restarted. The system is neither under load nor doing anything fancy like glx (In fact it is running only a few xterms/ssh on fvwm1). It is also happens at random intervalls, i.e. every ~8-10h. Here is the X process after the screen freeze: root 3281 1.9 0.7 99036 5484 ? RL Oct16 15:54 /usr/X11R6/bin/X :0 -auth /var/gdm/:0.Xauth -nolisten tcp vt8 which looks OK to me. System specs: o XFree86-4.3.0-37 o nvidia kernel modules and glx 4363 (later versions have overscan problems) o hardware is duron700/alimagik1 board with TNT2 00:00.0 Host bridge: ALi Corporation M1647 Northbridge [MAGiK 1 / MobileMAGiK 1] (rev 04) 00:01.0 PCI bridge: ALi Corporation PCI to AGP Controller 00:11.0 Bridge: ALi Corporation M7101 PMU 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV5M64 [RIVA TNT2 Model 64/Model 64 Pro] (rev 15) Is there any further diagnosis I can make the next time the screen freezes? I am about to upgrade to latest rawhide bits. I have had problems with nvidia drivers in the deep past, but these were total lockups. The system does recover with killing and restarting X, with the same nvidia kernel module running. also the nvidia-graphics-glx stuff is not used at all (no slick screensavers here ;), so I tend to assume nvidia drivers are not to blame. 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Message-ID: Hi, Seeing how nicely consolehelper is used to request the root password when a redhat-config-* tool is launched, I was wondering if the same technique could be used to bring an Edit as Root option for text files in Nautilus? I've been dreaming about such a feature for a very long time and it's one of the few things left I can't accomplish without using the command line. Regards, Mattias From jspaleta at princeton.edu Fri Oct 17 12:06:12 2003 From: jspaleta at princeton.edu (Jef Spaleta) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 08:06:12 -0400 Subject: infrequent X lockups Message-ID: <1066392372.31847.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> > I have had problems with nvidia drivers in the deep past, but these > were total lockups. The system does recover with killing and > restarting X, with the same nvidia kernel module running. also the > nvidia-graphics-glx stuff is not used at all (no slick screensavers > here ;), so I tend to assume nvidia drivers are not to blame. I'd not be so quick to assume that actually. If its happening every 8 to 10 hours...why not just drop down to the nv driver XFree86 provides and see if it stays alive for a day. -jef"my nvidia-zed rhl9 has wierdness on a 5 day interval"spaleta -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From akabi at speakeasy.net Fri Oct 17 12:07:13 2003 From: akabi at speakeasy.net (ne...) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 08:07:13 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Speakup in kernel In-Reply-To: References: <3163.142.167.72.162.1066313381.squirrel@mail.ceimaine.org> Message-ID: On Oct 16, 2003 at 23:20, William F. Acker WB2FLW +1-303-722-7209 in a...: >On Thu, 16 Oct 2003, Will Backman wrote: > >> Speakup was in the shipping kernel for a bit (was it Redhat 8?), then out >> due to some issues. >> Any word on if those issues have been worked out? >The two problems that the RH folks, Matt Wilson in particular, mentioned >have been fixed. The problem with non-English keyboards, and >modularization. Only $DEITY knows if RH will ever put it back into the >kernel. Kernels for all supported versions of RHL/Fedora can be found at >ftp://linux-speakup.org/pub/disks/redhat/. Complete Speakup enabled ISO >images for 8.0 and 9 can also be found there. When FC-1 is released, I'll >build them also. BTW, the ISO's for 9 are fully up to date. The latest >version can have its modules manually included in an initrd.img file so it >starts upon boot. Minor correction of url for us lazy folk: ftp://linux-speakup.org/pub/speakup/disks/redhat/ HTH. -- Registered Linux User # 125653 (http://counter.li.org) Switch to: http://www.speakeasy.net/refer/190653 QOTD: I've heard about civil Engineers, but I've never met one. 08:06:18 up 53 days, 19:40, 3 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 From paul at frields.com Fri Oct 17 12:21:48 2003 From: paul at frields.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: 17 Oct 2003 08:21:48 -0400 Subject: Nautilus and editing text files as root. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1066393307.23209.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, 2003-10-17 at 07:53, Mattias Dahlberg wrote: > Seeing how nicely consolehelper is used to request the root password when > a redhat-config-* tool is launched, I was wondering if the same technique > could be used to bring an Edit as Root option for text files in Nautilus? I don't know if this completely fills your particular need, but you could: 1. As root, edit a script in /usr/sbin (let's say "suedit") that calls your favorite editor with arguments intact. Could be as simple as: #!/bin/sh gedit $@ (Obviously, you could make this more complex to handle non-X sessions as well... you get the point.) :-) 2. Make a link in /usr/bin: suedit -> consolehelper 3. Create appropriate /etc/pam.d/suedit and /etc/security/console.apps/suedit functions. Look at the existing files if you need help, or check the docs for pam. 4. Add a Nautilus script to your ~/.gnome2/nautilus-scripts folder to run suedit. HTH... -- Paul W. Frields From fedora at enticedbylife.com Fri Oct 17 12:51:42 2003 From: fedora at enticedbylife.com (Matt via RT) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 07:51:42 -0500 Subject: [enticedbylife.com #16] openoffice is not added to the menus In-Reply-To: Message-ID: What commands do you issue to run openoffice writer? Thanks, Matthew > [fedora-test-list at redhat.com - Thu Oct 16 19:37:51 2003]: > > It was suggested that running openoffice writer would create the > menu items in Gnome ... which it did. However, there are no > menu items for the open office application in KDE. Has anyone else > noticed this? > > Elton > From paul at all-the-johnsons.co.uk Fri Oct 17 12:56:23 2003 From: paul at all-the-johnsons.co.uk (PFJ) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 13:56:23 +0100 Subject: [enticedbylife.com #16] openoffice is not added to the menus In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1066395383.3773.159.camel@ahnews.music.salford.ac.uk> Hi, > What commands do you issue to run openoffice writer? swriter TTFN Paul -- Free your mind to a time where a company does not have control Free your mind to a choice of applications which you can control Free your mind from the closed world of those who seek total power Free your mind to the wonderful world of free software From rezso at rdsor.ro Fri Oct 17 13:04:26 2003 From: rezso at rdsor.ro (Balint Cristian) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 16:04:26 +0300 Subject: [enticedbylife.com #16] openoffice is not added to the menus In-Reply-To: <1066395383.3773.159.camel@ahnews.music.salford.ac.uk> References: <1066395383.3773.159.camel@ahnews.music.salford.ac.uk> Message-ID: <200310171604.26271.rezso@rdsor.ro> On Friday 17 October 2003 15:56, PFJ wrote: > Hi, > > > What commands do you issue to run openoffice writer? > > swriter oowriter is the right, if you have fedora. swriter not work for me: [rezso at rezso rezso]$ rpm -ql openoffice.org | grep oo /usr/bin/oocalc /usr/bin/oodraw /usr/bin/ooffice /usr/bin/ooimpress /usr/bin/oomath /usr/bin/oopadmin /usr/bin/oosetup /usr/bin/oowriter /usr/lib/openoffice/program/bootstraprc > > TTFN > > Paul From mharris at redhat.com Fri Oct 17 13:11:35 2003 From: mharris at redhat.com (Mike A. Harris) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 09:11:35 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Xfree GL still does not coexist with the nVidia drivers In-Reply-To: <200310161642.32985.elwoo@videotron.ca> References: <200310161642.32985.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: On Thu, 16 Oct 2003, Elton Woo wrote: >XFree86-Mesa-libGL had to be removed using the --nodeps flag. >Before installing the nVidia drivers with Fedora Core Test 3, the >GL screensavers ran with no problems, but I had to install the >dirvers to counteract the jittery mouse pointer in TuxRacer. >Then, to re-enable the GL screen-savers, I had to remove XFree GL I made the package so that it could be uninstalled and replaced by an alternative libGL. Since the OS ships with libGL linked software, what exactly do you propose as a solution? Unless someone can genius up an acceptable and reasonable solution which doesn't have high implementation or package maintenance costs, then the existing solution will more or less remain. Nvidia doesn't seem to even care, as they just blow away random rpm installed files on a whim anyway. Perhaps I should have rpm postinstall scripts mark the files immutable or something. -- Mike A. Harris ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris OS Systems Engineer - XFree86 maintainer - Red Hat From mharris at redhat.com Fri Oct 17 13:13:36 2003 From: mharris at redhat.com (Mike A. Harris) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 09:13:36 -0400 (EDT) Subject: wine on FC In-Reply-To: <20031016075211.44c7f764.j.rink@freenet.de> References: <3F8D6398.1020802@lopht.net> <20031016075211.44c7f764.j.rink@freenet.de> Message-ID: On Thu, 16 Oct 2003, [UTF-8] J??rn Rink wrote: >Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 07:52:11 +0200 >From: "[UTF-8] J??rn Rink" >To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII >List-Id: For testers of Red Hat Linux beta releases > >Subject: Re: wine on FC > >On Wed, 15 Oct 2003 10:11:20 -0500 >Justin Georgeson wrote: > >> earlier this month there was a thread about building wine 20030911 on >> FC .94. The problem seemed to be that the krb5-devel package moved its >> >> header files from /usr/include/kerberos to /usr/include. I'm still >> having that same problem on a current rawhide system. I was wondering >> if anyone has investigated this at all? >> >> >> -- >> fedora-test-list mailing list >> fedora-test-list at redhat.com >> http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list >> > >and why is this a problem with wine? Because wine is not properly using krb5-config to find out where the kerberos include files and libraries, etc. are located on the system. It seems to brokenly assume they'll be found in a hard coded specific location, at least that is what it appears as. -- Mike A. Harris ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris OS Systems Engineer - XFree86 maintainer - Red Hat From wacker at octothorp.org Fri Oct 17 13:13:51 2003 From: wacker at octothorp.org (William F. Acker WB2FLW +1-303-722-7209) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 07:13:51 -0600 (MDT) Subject: Speakup in kernel In-Reply-To: References: <3163.142.167.72.162.1066313381.squirrel@mail.ceimaine.org> Message-ID: On Fri, 17 Oct 2003, ne... wrote: > Minor correction of url for us lazy folk: > > ftp://linux-speakup.org/pub/speakup/disks/redhat/ > > HTH. I knew I should have had more coffee yesterday. Thanks. -- Bill in Denver From mharris at redhat.com Fri Oct 17 13:18:08 2003 From: mharris at redhat.com (Mike A. Harris) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 09:18:08 -0400 (EDT) Subject: New extra packages and yum repository In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, 16 Oct 2003, Noah Silva [Mailing list] wrote: >> > I'm a bit mixed feeling about this. On one side, I'm kindof a >> > bit curious as to wether the rss screensavers are 100% copyright >> > clean, and comments on their website or in the source before >> > triggered my legal warning alarm, although I have no idea what it >> > was now as that was a year or more ago. > >Not that this is iron-clad or anything, but Ximian had no >problem shipping them with XD2. Perhaps Ximian isn't worried about getting sued? Or perhaps they just don't care? Maybe they had lawyers investigate and determined for themselves that they thought any risks were worth it? I guess each company makes those kind of decisions for itself and guages it's legal risks, much in the same way that if one's friend jumped off a really high bridge and hadn't hit ground yet, one would still probably think about it and decide for one's self wether or not it would be a good idea to follow one's friend and jump off the bridge too. Generally, when one's friend jumps off a bridge for any reason, one should question wether that friend made a good or bad decision, or wether the decision the friend made carried with it bad risks. Then one should decide for themselves wether jumping off that bridge is a good idea for themselves. -- Mike A. Harris ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris OS Systems Engineer - XFree86 maintainer - Red Hat From mharris at redhat.com Fri Oct 17 13:25:31 2003 From: mharris at redhat.com (Mike A. Harris) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 09:25:31 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Xfree GL still does not coexist with the nVidia drivers In-Reply-To: <1066386911.31021.47.camel@cognac.stuttgart.redhat.com> References: <200310161642.32985.elwoo@videotron.ca> <1066386911.31021.47.camel@cognac.stuttgart.redhat.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 17 Oct 2003, Nils Philippsen wrote: >> XFree86-Mesa-libGL had to be removed using the --nodeps flag. >> Before installing the nVidia drivers with Fedora Core Test 3, the >> GL screensavers ran with no problems, but I had to install the >> dirvers to counteract the jittery mouse pointer in TuxRacer. >> Then, to re-enable the GL screen-savers, I had to remove XFree GL >> >> version: XFree86-4.3.0-40 > >My (completely uninformed) opinion on this is that it's a packaging bug >on Nvidia's behalf -- they should put their libraries into e.g. >/usr/local/lib/nvidia and list this path in /etc/ld.so.conf instead of >overwriting the installed libraries. Whatever path is found first is what I believe ld.so uses. Another option would be for them to put it in a different path and use LD_PRELOAD in a shell script perhaps, and also put their X modules in a different path, and use ModulePath in the X server config file. The LD_PRELOAD is not necessarily the cleanest possible solution, but it is an alternative at least. People are free to suggest other solutions. -- Mike A. Harris ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris OS Systems Engineer - XFree86 maintainer - Red Hat From mharris at redhat.com Fri Oct 17 13:28:08 2003 From: mharris at redhat.com (Mike A. Harris) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 09:28:08 -0400 (EDT) Subject: infrequent X lockups In-Reply-To: <20031017112949.GA18504@puariko.nirvana> References: <20031017112949.GA18504@puariko.nirvana> Message-ID: On Fri, 17 Oct 2003, Axel Thimm wrote: >o XFree86-4.3.0-37 >o nvidia kernel modules and glx 4363 (later versions have overscan > problems) [SNIP] >I have had problems with nvidia drivers in the deep past, but these >were total lockups. The system does recover with killing and >restarting X, with the same nvidia kernel module running. also the >nvidia-graphics-glx stuff is not used at all (no slick screensavers >here ;), so I tend to assume nvidia drivers are not to blame. > >Also the system worked without any problem under RH9 until I upgraded >to rawhide/test3, so I also assume non-flaky hardware (and that would >probably have caused total lockups, too). Nvidia proprietary drivers are unsupported by Red Hat. Nvidia has web forums for discussion of problems and technical support for their users however which you might find useful. If you report problems there, most likely Nvidia will fix them for their next driver release once Fedora Core 1 is officially released. Hope this helps. -- Mike A. Harris ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris OS Systems Engineer - XFree86 maintainer - Red Hat From kreg at virtual1.net Fri Oct 17 13:31:03 2003 From: kreg at virtual1.net (Kreg Steppe) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 09:31:03 -0400 Subject: Rhythmbox / Gstreamer ? In-Reply-To: <1066337241.13543.17.camel@LORDLINUX.global.shsystem.org> References: <1066337241.13543.17.camel@LORDLINUX.global.shsystem.org> Message-ID: <3F8FEF17.9070101@virtual1.net> I can use Rhythymbox with OGG just fine. I think that those radio stations are mp3 streams, and that is why you cannot listen. If someone could shine some light on how to add mp3 functionality to gstreamer / rhytymbox that would be outstanding. Kreg Steppe Mark Guzzo wrote: >Has anyone been able to use Rhythmbox with test3? > >I would click on a radio title and get this message.. > >Error: >Failed to create spider element; check your installation > >My guess is that it has to do with gstreamer. > >Is there something that I must do before I can use Rhythmbox? >Also, are you able to see a preview image of a movie in Nautilus while >using gstreamer? > >MArk > > >-- >fedora-test-list mailing list >fedora-test-list at redhat.com >http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > From don.vanco at agilysys.com Fri Oct 17 13:34:27 2003 From: don.vanco at agilysys.com (Vanco, Don) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 09:34:27 -0400 Subject: module errors installing .2096 kernel Message-ID: [root at localhost up2date]# rpm -ivh kernel-*.rpm Preparing... ########################################### [100%] 1:kernel-smp ########################################### [ 50%] depmod: *** Unresolved symbols in /lib/modules/2.4.22-1.2096.nptlsmp/kernel/drivers/net/bonding/bonding.o depmod: free_netdev depmod: PDE depmod: *** Unresolved symbols in /lib/modules/2.4.22-1.2096.nptlsmp/kernel/drivers/net/pcmcia/xircom_cb.o depmod: free_netdev 2:kernel ########################################### [100%] depmod: *** Unresolved symbols in /lib/modules/2.4.22-1.2096.nptl/kernel/drivers/net/bonding/bonding.o depmod: free_netdev depmod: PDE depmod: *** Unresolved symbols in /lib/modules/2.4.22-1.2096.nptl/kernel/drivers/net/pcmcia/xircom_cb.o depmod: free_netdev From jspaleta at princeton.edu Fri Oct 17 13:35:35 2003 From: jspaleta at princeton.edu (Jef Spaleta) Date: 17 Oct 2003 09:35:35 -0400 Subject: Nautilus and editing text files as root. Message-ID: <1066397734.28951.22.camel@spatula> Mattias Dahlberg wrote: > Seeing how nicely consolehelper is used to request the root password > when a redhat-config-* tool is launched, I was wondering if the same > technique could be used to bring an Edit as Root option for text files > in Nautilus? > I've been dreaming about such a feature for a very long time and it's one > of the few things left I can't accomplish without using the command line. To teach myself how consolehelper stuff worked...i played around making a root run nautilus window through consolehelper...using a /usr/bin/root-fm symlink. Cute but unwise. But adding an edit as root right click menu option for text files would probably be a much better tradeoff situation than running nautilus itself as root. Shouldn't be too hard to create something like a /usr/bin/root-gedit symlink along with the consolehelper/userhelper logic to make root-gedit run gedit as root. And then associated root-gedit as a possible application to open a certain type of file with. You should be able to build this feature yourself and test it out. -jef"still not sure if its wise to have this in by default"spaleta -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From whb at ceimaine.org Fri Oct 17 13:40:55 2003 From: whb at ceimaine.org (Will Backman) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 09:40:55 -0400 Subject: module errors installing .2096 kernel In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1066398054.2899.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> I just updated against rawhide, and got the same things. On Fri, 2003-10-17 at 09:34, Vanco, Don wrote: > [root at localhost up2date]# rpm -ivh kernel-*.rpm > Preparing... ########################################### > [100%] > 1:kernel-smp ########################################### [ > 50%] > depmod: *** Unresolved symbols in > /lib/modules/2.4.22-1.2096.nptlsmp/kernel/drivers/net/bonding/bonding.o > depmod: free_netdev > depmod: PDE > depmod: *** Unresolved symbols in > /lib/modules/2.4.22-1.2096.nptlsmp/kernel/drivers/net/pcmcia/xircom_cb.o > depmod: free_netdev > 2:kernel ########################################### > [100%] > depmod: *** Unresolved symbols in > /lib/modules/2.4.22-1.2096.nptl/kernel/drivers/net/bonding/bonding.o > depmod: free_netdev > depmod: PDE > depmod: *** Unresolved symbols in > /lib/modules/2.4.22-1.2096.nptl/kernel/drivers/net/pcmcia/xircom_cb.o > depmod: free_netdev > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From whb at ceimaine.org Fri Oct 17 13:43:37 2003 From: whb at ceimaine.org (Will Backman) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 09:43:37 -0400 Subject: rhn-applet still crashing on me Message-ID: <1066398216.2899.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> rhn-applet-2.1.1-1 from rawhide still crashing when I click on it. up2date runs ok. Standard Personal Workstation install with gnopernicus added. -- Will From whb at ceimaine.org Fri Oct 17 13:44:16 2003 From: whb at ceimaine.org (Will Backman) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 09:44:16 -0400 Subject: module errors installing .2096 kernel In-Reply-To: <1066398054.2899.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1066398054.2899.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1066398255.2899.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> Oh, and I am NOT running SMP. On Fri, 2003-10-17 at 09:40, Will Backman wrote: > I just updated against rawhide, and got the same things. > > On Fri, 2003-10-17 at 09:34, Vanco, Don wrote: > > [root at localhost up2date]# rpm -ivh kernel-*.rpm > > Preparing... ########################################### > > [100%] > > 1:kernel-smp ########################################### [ > > 50%] > > depmod: *** Unresolved symbols in > > /lib/modules/2.4.22-1.2096.nptlsmp/kernel/drivers/net/bonding/bonding.o > > depmod: free_netdev > > depmod: PDE > > depmod: *** Unresolved symbols in > > /lib/modules/2.4.22-1.2096.nptlsmp/kernel/drivers/net/pcmcia/xircom_cb.o > > depmod: free_netdev > > 2:kernel ########################################### > > [100%] > > depmod: *** Unresolved symbols in > > /lib/modules/2.4.22-1.2096.nptl/kernel/drivers/net/bonding/bonding.o > > depmod: free_netdev > > depmod: PDE > > depmod: *** Unresolved symbols in > > /lib/modules/2.4.22-1.2096.nptl/kernel/drivers/net/pcmcia/xircom_cb.o > > depmod: free_netdev > > > > > > -- > > fedora-test-list mailing list > > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From don.vanco at agilysys.com Fri Oct 17 13:49:51 2003 From: don.vanco at agilysys.com (Vanco, Don) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 09:49:51 -0400 Subject: test3 rhn_register errors Message-ID: Get to step 3 register a system profile - hardware and see: Red Hat Linux Version: ERROR CPU Model: ERROR Hostname: ERROR CPU Speed: ERROR IP Address: ERROR Memory: ERROR from terminal see: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/share/rhn/up2date_client/gui.py", line 759, in onProfilePagePrepare self.hardware = hardware.Hardware() File "/usr/share/rhn/up2date_client/hardware.py", line 511, in Hardware ret = read_network() File "/usr/share/rhn/up2date_client/hardware.py", line 339, in read_network hostname, ipaddr = findHostByRoute() File "/usr/share/rhn/up2date_client/hardware.py", line 319, in findHostByRoute hostname = socket.gethostbyaddr(intf)[0] socket.herror: (1, 'Unknown host') repeatable From whb at ceimaine.org Fri Oct 17 13:50:50 2003 From: whb at ceimaine.org (Will Backman) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 09:50:50 -0400 Subject: Gnome large print not giving large print Message-ID: <1066398649.2899.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> Has anyone tried the Gnome large print theme? I do seem to get larger Icons, but not larger print. Anyone else getting this? -- Will From don.vanco at agilysys.com Fri Oct 17 13:59:00 2003 From: don.vanco at agilysys.com (Vanco, Don) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 09:59:00 -0400 Subject: bugzilla down???? RE: module errors installing .2096 kernel Message-ID: Trying to file bug - all bugzilla page does is take me to a new window that shows: about:blank (and it's just that - blank) ....and that's it....... no way to "commit" Don Vanco, Don <> scribbled on Friday, October 17, 2003 9:34 AM: > [root at localhost up2date]# rpm -ivh kernel-*.rpm > Preparing... > ########################################### > [100%] > 1:kernel-smp > ########################################### [ > 50%] > depmod: *** Unresolved symbols in > /lib/modules/2.4.22-1.2096.nptlsmp/kernel/drivers/net/bonding/ > bonding.o depmod: free_netdev depmod: PDE > depmod: *** Unresolved symbols in > /lib/modules/2.4.22-1.2096.nptlsmp/kernel/drivers/net/pcmcia/x > ircom_cb.o depmod: free_netdev 2:kernel > ########################################### > [100%] > depmod: *** Unresolved symbols in > /lib/modules/2.4.22-1.2096.nptl/kernel/drivers/net/bonding/bonding.o > depmod: free_netdev depmod: PDE > depmod: *** Unresolved symbols in > /lib/modules/2.4.22-1.2096.nptl/kernel/drivers/net/pcmcia/xircom_cb.o > depmod: free_netdev From ramanan54 at hotmail.com Fri Oct 17 14:01:52 2003 From: ramanan54 at hotmail.com (VENKAT RAMANAN) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 19:31:52 +0530 Subject: add remove package tool Message-ID: To add new package with add remove packages calls for insertion of CD. What about cases where installation was done through hard drive with floppy boot? How to make it sense the hard drive directory location? Ramanan _________________________________________________________________ Make glass paintings? Are you a good artist? http://server1.msn.co.in/features/general/diwali.asp Sell your Diwlai creations online. From veillard at redhat.com Fri Oct 17 14:13:11 2003 From: veillard at redhat.com (Daniel Veillard) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 10:13:11 -0400 Subject: rhn-applet still crashing on me In-Reply-To: <1066398216.2899.3.camel@localhost.localdomain>; from whb@ceimaine.org on Fri, Oct 17, 2003 at 09:43:37AM -0400 References: <1066398216.2899.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20031017101311.T16905@redhat.com> On Fri, Oct 17, 2003 at 09:43:37AM -0400, Will Backman wrote: > rhn-applet-2.1.1-1 from rawhide still crashing when I click on it. > up2date runs ok. How am I supposed to help ? What do you mean by crashing ? What are the symptoms ? What happens when you run rhn-applet-gui from a shell ? Is the icon showing up properly ? What are you clicking on precisely ? The analogy is to call a doctor saying you're sick and asking for prescription without telling habout what's happening nor giving any chance to examine you. Would you blindly trust a prescription you get that way ? Daniel -- Daniel Veillard | Red Hat Network https://rhn.redhat.com/ veillard at redhat.com | libxml GNOME XML XSLT toolkit http://xmlsoft.org/ http://veillard.com/ | Rpmfind RPM search engine http://rpmfind.net/ From bhalter at schmeg.net Fri Oct 17 14:17:36 2003 From: bhalter at schmeg.net (Bryan Halter) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 10:17:36 -0400 Subject: Install problem Message-ID: <1066400256.3117.3.camel@runabout.schmeg.net> When I try to upgrade my Test2 system to Test3 I get a whole mess of Python errors. I've tried this in both graphical and text modes. The errors seem to appear when anaconda's getting the list of packages to upgrade. -- Bryan Halter bhalter at schmeg.net PGP Key E7AA5295 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From czar at czarc.net Fri Oct 17 14:17:12 2003 From: czar at czarc.net (Gene C.) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 10:17:12 -0400 Subject: add remove package tool In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200310171017.12771.czar@czarc.net> On Friday 17 October 2003 10:01, VENKAT RAMANAN wrote: > To add new package with add remove packages calls for insertion of CD. > What about cases where installation was done through hard drive with floppy > boot? How to make it sense the hard drive directory location? This can be done from the command line: redhat-config-packages --help Usage: /usr/share/redhat-config-packages/MainWindow.py [--help] [-t=|--tree=PATH] [--isodir=PATH] I believe I have RFE'ed to add this to the gui interface. -- Gene From don.vanco at agilysys.com Fri Oct 17 14:25:18 2003 From: don.vanco at agilysys.com (Vanco, Don) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 10:25:18 -0400 Subject: Install problem Message-ID: Bryan Halter scribbled on Friday, October 17, 2003 10:18 AM: > When I try to upgrade my Test2 system to Test3 I get a whole mess of > Python errors. I've tried this in both graphical and text modes. The > errors seem to appear when anaconda's getting the list of packages to > upgrade. I experienced this as well on an IBM ThinkPad A21m and my Shuttle XPC SB61G2 - but historically upgrades are not supported so I kept my skull-cave shut. Don From fedora at warmcat.com Fri Oct 17 08:25:21 2003 From: fedora at warmcat.com (Andy Green) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 09:25:21 +0100 Subject: wine on FC In-Reply-To: <20031017081502.GA26018@ee.oulu.fi> References: <3F8D6398.1020802@lopht.net> <3F8F04C5.2070605@lopht.net> <20031017081502.GA26018@ee.oulu.fi> Message-ID: <200310170925.21906.fedora@warmcat.com> Am I the only person for whom FC makes me think of f*uckedcompany.com? Maybe a new abbreviation is needed :-) From whb at ceimaine.org Fri Oct 17 14:31:02 2003 From: whb at ceimaine.org (Will Backman) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 10:31:02 -0400 Subject: rhn-applet still crashing on me In-Reply-To: <20031017101311.T16905@redhat.com> References: <1066398216.2899.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20031017101311.T16905@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1066401062.4320.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Got it! A segfault is caused if Assistive Technology support is enabled (from Preferences). I don't have to select any particular assistive technology, just the first check box. Unchecking the box makes the applet work ok from gnome panel or from command line. On Fri, 2003-10-17 at 10:13, Daniel Veillard wrote: > On Fri, Oct 17, 2003 at 09:43:37AM -0400, Will Backman wrote: > > rhn-applet-2.1.1-1 from rawhide still crashing when I click on it. > > up2date runs ok. > > How am I supposed to help ? > What do you mean by crashing ? What are the symptoms ? What happens > when you run rhn-applet-gui from a shell ? Is the icon showing up > properly ? What are you clicking on precisely ? > The analogy is to call a doctor saying you're sick and asking for > prescription without telling habout what's happening nor giving > any chance to examine you. Would you blindly trust a prescription > you get that way ? > > Daniel From paul at frields.com Fri Oct 17 14:32:36 2003 From: paul at frields.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: 17 Oct 2003 10:32:36 -0400 Subject: Install problem In-Reply-To: <1066400256.3117.3.camel@runabout.schmeg.net> References: <1066400256.3117.3.camel@runabout.schmeg.net> Message-ID: <1066401155.26753.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, 2003-10-17 at 10:17, Bryan Halter wrote: > When I try to upgrade my Test2 system to Test3 I get a whole mess of > Python errors. I've tried this in both graphical and text modes. The > errors seem to appear when anaconda's getting the list of packages to > upgrade. I'm not sure upgrading from testX to testY is ever supported. I think you can reasonably try upgrading from a real version (e.g. 8.0, 9) to testY. I think I remember seeing this float by on this list a few weeks ago, so apologies if I'm off-base. Rather than upgrading from test2 to test3, you should be able to use up2date with the rawhide yum repository to bring your system up to the same (or later) specs. -- Paul W. Frields From veillard at redhat.com Fri Oct 17 14:40:00 2003 From: veillard at redhat.com (Daniel Veillard) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 10:40:00 -0400 Subject: rhn-applet still crashing on me In-Reply-To: <1066401062.4320.2.camel@localhost.localdomain>; from whb@ceimaine.org on Fri, Oct 17, 2003 at 10:31:02AM -0400 References: <1066398216.2899.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20031017101311.T16905@redhat.com> <1066401062.4320.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20031017104000.V16905@redhat.com> On Fri, Oct 17, 2003 at 10:31:02AM -0400, Will Backman wrote: > Got it! A segfault is caused if Assistive Technology support is enabled > (from Preferences). I don't have to select any particular assistive > technology, just the first check box. Unchecking the box makes the > applet work ok from gnome panel or from command line. okay, can you bugzilla this ? Daniel -- Daniel Veillard | Red Hat Network https://rhn.redhat.com/ veillard at redhat.com | libxml GNOME XML XSLT toolkit http://xmlsoft.org/ http://veillard.com/ | Rpmfind RPM search engine http://rpmfind.net/ From notting at redhat.com Fri Oct 17 14:43:47 2003 From: notting at redhat.com (Bill Nottingham) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 10:43:47 -0400 Subject: named service not listed in ntsysv In-Reply-To: <1066376342.5189.31.camel@marte.biciclete.ro>; from mandreiana@rdslink.ro on Fri, Oct 17, 2003 at 10:39:02AM +0300 References: <1066376342.5189.31.camel@marte.biciclete.ro> Message-ID: <20031017104347.B4974@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Marius Andreiana (mandreiana at rdslink.ro) said: > named service it's not listed in ntsysv. > > # chkconfig --list named > service named supports chkconfig, but is not referenced in any runlevel > (run 'chkconfig --add named') > > It works if added manually. Please file in bugzilla. Bill From notting at redhat.com Fri Oct 17 14:46:18 2003 From: notting at redhat.com (Bill Nottingham) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 10:46:18 -0400 Subject: module errors installing .2096 kernel In-Reply-To: <1066398054.2899.0.camel@localhost.localdomain>; from whb@ceimaine.org on Fri, Oct 17, 2003 at 09:40:55AM -0400 References: <1066398054.2899.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20031017104618.C4974@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Will Backman (whb at ceimaine.org) said: > I just updated against rawhide, and got the same things. Please enter in bugzilla. Thanks, Bill From tegner at nada.kth.se Fri Oct 17 14:47:03 2003 From: tegner at nada.kth.se (Jon Tegner) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 16:47:03 +0200 Subject: update fedora severn - rawhide. In-Reply-To: <1066313087.4372.57.camel@jeremy.dtcc.cc.nc.us> References: <20031016080606.GA4871@ee.oulu.fi> <34928.150.227.16.253.1066312795.squirrel@webmail.nada.kth.se> <1066313087.4372.57.camel@jeremy.dtcc.cc.nc.us> Message-ID: <3F9000E7.8060204@nada.kth.se> Severn - that is the same as the test3, right? So, if I set up a "yum-database" consisting of the "severn"-distribution AND the RPMS from rawhide. Then, will "yum update" do what I want (update severn), or will I get "more" than I want? And if so, how should one do it? Thanks a lot! /jon Jeremy Portzer wrote: >On Thu, 2003-10-16 at 09:59, tegner at nada.kth.se wrote: > > >>Sorry if this is a stupid question. I have installed fedora core - "severn". >> >>>From http://fedora.redhat.com/download/ one gets directed to Rawhide for >>updates, but isn't that a complete distribution? And if that is the case, >>why not use that as a base for the installation (i.e. instead of severn)? >> >> >> > >Rawhide is not exactly a complete distribution. It's more of a >collection of packages that are being tested and possibly planned for >future releases. It may or may not work as a complete distribution. I >don't know if the installer stuff even works in rawhide or not. > >The test releases on the other hand are designed as a complete >distribution, and you if you want to help in the process, use the >"test3" download right now. Then if you want newer packages, you can >update from the rawhide channels through up2date/yum. > >--Jeremy > > > From don.vanco at agilysys.com Fri Oct 17 14:59:48 2003 From: don.vanco at agilysys.com (Vanco, Don) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 10:59:48 -0400 Subject: module errors installing .2096 kernel Message-ID: 107367 Bill Nottingham scribbled on Friday, October 17, 2003 10:46 AM: > Will Backman (whb at ceimaine.org) said: >> I just updated against rawhide, and got the same things. > > Please enter in bugzilla. > > Thanks, > Bill From david.balazic at uni-mb.si Fri Oct 17 15:06:52 2003 From: david.balazic at uni-mb.si (DAVID BALAZIC) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 17:06:52 +0200 Subject: AMD Athlon64 Systems Message-ID: <01L1XYD199CY00883M@rcum.uni-mb.si> Robert L Cochran >I have a new question: would it be worthwhile investing in the Athlon64 >from a programming perspective? E.g. write 64 bit programs while the >rest of the world is still living on 32 bits? How about writing portable programs and let the compiler bother with 32/64 bit differences ? gcc already supports 64 bit longs, so you can start writing "64-bit" programs on any x86 CPU today ( or yesterday ). >Thanks everyone for answering my original question about the Athlon64. I >was surprised at the amount of response and I see even more clearly now >that there are a lot of folks out there like Jesse, Seth et al who are >right in the front lines of hardware technology. > >Bob > > >Jesse Keating wrote: >> On Wednesday 15 October 2003 21:46, Robert L Cochran wrote: >> >>>s this the 64-FX? Maybe you can share the system specs with me? But >>>this is just a personal pipe dream of mine that I might not realize, >>>so don't feel obligated. I would like to build such a system. Just as >>>soon as my kids graduate from university and I've paid off the >>>education costs :-) >> >> >> No, it's just a Athlon64 3200+. I'll probably be building myself a >> Atlhon64 Shuttle based system early next year though. It's about time >> for my complete system upgrade (; >> > >-- >Bob Cochran >Greenbelt, Maryland, USA >http://greenbeltcomputer.biz/ > > > >-- >fedora-test-list mailing list >fedora-test-list at redhat.com >http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list -- David Balazic E-mail : david.balazic at uni-mb.si | living in sLOVEnija home page: http://surf.to/stein -- From nsilva-list at aoi.atari-source.com Fri Oct 17 15:09:54 2003 From: nsilva-list at aoi.atari-source.com (Noah Silva [Mailing list]) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 11:09:54 -0400 (EDT) Subject: New extra packages and yum repository In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > >> > triggered my legal warning alarm, although I have no idea what it > >> > was now as that was a year or more ago. > > > >Not that this is iron-clad or anything, but Ximian had no > >problem shipping them with XD2. > > Perhaps Ximian isn't worried about getting sued? Or perhaps they > just don't care? Perhaps, but most larger companies care and worry. If you have nothing, there is nothing to take. Ximian has something, and so I am sure doesn't want to be sued. > Maybe they had lawyers investigate and > determined for themselves that they thought any risks were worth > it? to risk being sued to include a screen-saver? > I guess each company makes those kind of decisions for itself and > ... > wether or not it would be a good idea to follow one's friend and > jump off the bridge too. lol ... > bad risks. Then one should decide for themselves wether jumping > off that bridge is a good idea for themselves. Oh course, but my point is only that they didn't say "no way are we including that", which would make other companies a little suspicious as well. Obviously redhat is a bit more conservative than most, electing not to include mp3 support to the collective groan if it's users. -- noah silva From blizzard at redhat.com Fri Oct 17 15:11:03 2003 From: blizzard at redhat.com (Christopher Blizzard) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 11:11:03 -0400 Subject: OOo and Mozilla i18n In-Reply-To: <3F8FAB39.4000906@sina.com> References: <3F8D6398.1020802@lopht.net> <20031016203708.GA9825@ee.oulu.fi> <3F8F04C5.2070605@lopht.net> <20031017081502.GA26018@ee.oulu.fi> <3F8FAB39.4000906@sina.com> Message-ID: <3F900687.5080702@redhat.com> Zu wrote: > Does Severn support non-english OOo and Mozilla ? > > I just added the language packs to Mozilla with the last updated Mozilla package. Don't know about OOo. --Chris From nsilva-list at aoi.atari-source.com Fri Oct 17 15:13:29 2003 From: nsilva-list at aoi.atari-source.com (Noah Silva [Mailing list]) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 11:13:29 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Xfree GL still does not coexist with the nVidia drivers In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > On Thu, 16 Oct 2003, Elton Woo wrote: > > >XFree86-Mesa-libGL had to be removed using the --nodeps flag. > ... > >drivers to counteract the jittery mouse pointer in TuxRacer. > >Then, to re-enable the GL screen-savers, I had to remove XFree GL > > Unless someone can genius up an acceptable and reasonable > solution which doesn't have high implementation or package > maintenance costs, then the existing solution will more or less > remain. > > Nvidia doesn't seem to even care, as they just blow away random > rpm installed files on a whim anyway. Perhaps I should have rpm > postinstall scripts mark the files immutable or something. But then again, NVIDIA's FAQ states that their install is designed to run on all distros, and that distributions are free to repackage their files in, f.e., and RPM. (which some distros do). If someone made an NVIDIA driver RPM for fedora, at least there would be a few less problems with blowing files away... (Of course.. I say this, using my radeon card with the X supplied drivers just fine...). -- noah silva From nsilva-list at aoi.atari-source.com Fri Oct 17 15:19:03 2003 From: nsilva-list at aoi.atari-source.com (Noah Silva [Mailing list]) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 11:19:03 -0400 (EDT) Subject: New extra packages and yum repository In-Reply-To: <200310170956.h9H9u8i27930@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: > > The rss in rss-glx has nothing to do with the RSS protocol, AFAIK. > > I'll go back to sleep then. Now a proper RSS screensaver would be neat ;) > > Alan erm.. no, nothing to do with RSS XML stuff like evolution has... it has spiffy 3D effects, like realistic looking fireworks being launched from the ground, leaving smoke trails, exploding, the flash lighting up the nearby clouds, etc. (There are others too). As neato as it is, no RSS feeds in there so far as I know. -- noah silva From whb at ceimaine.org Fri Oct 17 15:21:20 2003 From: whb at ceimaine.org (Will Backman) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 11:21:20 -0400 Subject: Printer Applet data in wrong columns Message-ID: <1066404080.10284.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> I just printed a document, and the little printer icon showed up in the lower right corner. I clicked on it to bring up the list of jobs, and noticed that info was in wrong columns. Owner Column shows the date, job number shows my login, time submitted is a strange number. Anyone else getting this? -- Will From ted at cypress.com Fri Oct 17 15:22:56 2003 From: ted at cypress.com (Thomas Dodd) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 10:22:56 -0500 Subject: AMD Athlon64 Systems In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3F900950.8040407@cypress.com> Justin M. Forbes wrote: > Yes, they should work on any AMD64 systems, but should also be considered > more of a beta level product than standard Fedora Test 3. There are still > 64bit vs. 32bit issues that make some things not work as expected (IE > 32bit plugins do not work with 64bit mozilla, etc). That said, I have > been running the first isos I made from test 2 for a couple of weeks now, > and stability has not been much of an issue. Does a 64bit mozilla even make sense right now? I'd think just using the 32bit version would be fine. And no issues with plugins. FWIW, I work with 64bit Solaris8, but most apps are still 32bit. Mozilla, OpenOffice.org for sure. I think all of GNOME is still 32bit here. I would like to see a 64bit GIMP though... What is the 32/64 bit split in Sparc linux distros? PowerPC distros? -Thomas From nsilva-list at aoi.atari-source.com Fri Oct 17 15:28:14 2003 From: nsilva-list at aoi.atari-source.com (Noah Silva [Mailing list]) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 11:28:14 -0400 (EDT) Subject: apt vs yum In-Reply-To: <3F8F7BA2.70307@lopht.net> Message-ID: > > I find it odd to hear that you (Justin) found yum to be slower than apt. > > It's my understanding that apt (for rpm) suffers from far more bloat and > > frankly sucks the life out of my old pentiums. But it's so damn > > effective and convenient, that I admin shy of two dozen redhat servers > > with it. Again, I've not tried YUM.. > > I don't recall saying that yum is slower. > I was the one that said that. On every system I have tried so far, apt is an order of magnitude faster than yum. Worse yet, unless you explicitly tell it not to, yum tries to do certain things -every-single- time you run it. (i.e. I really don't want to see "downloading headers" then I do "yum install gimp"). Then again, a lot of things I just haven't found an apt repo for, so... -- noah silva From czar at czarc.net Fri Oct 17 15:31:50 2003 From: czar at czarc.net (Gene C.) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 11:31:50 -0400 Subject: named service not listed in ntsysv In-Reply-To: <20031017104347.B4974@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <1066376342.5189.31.camel@marte.biciclete.ro> <20031017104347.B4974@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <200310171131.50051.czar@czarc.net> On Friday 17 October 2003 10:43, Bill Nottingham wrote: > Marius Andreiana (mandreiana at rdslink.ro) said: > > named service it's not listed in ntsysv. > > > > # chkconfig --list named > > service named supports chkconfig, but is not referenced in any runlevel > > (run 'chkconfig --add named') > > > > It works if added manually. > > Please file in bugzilla. Bill -- I am not sure this is really a bug. Many services, when they are installed, are not enabled or disabled ... just installed -- there are no knnxxxx or snnxxxx symbolic links in the /etc/rc?.d/ directories and, thus, chkconfig --list shows nothing. If you then do chkconfig --level 5 named off the chkconfig --list named will show: named 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off 4:off 5:off 6:off However, the message from chkconfig could be a bit misleading. Is that what you want bugzilla'ed? -- Gene From kaboom at gatech.edu Fri Oct 17 15:32:06 2003 From: kaboom at gatech.edu (Chris Ricker) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 11:32:06 -0400 (EDT) Subject: AMD Athlon64 Systems In-Reply-To: <3F900950.8040407@cypress.com> References: <3F900950.8040407@cypress.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 17 Oct 2003, Thomas Dodd wrote: > Does a 64bit mozilla even make sense right now? > I'd think just using the 32bit version would be fine. And no issues with > plugins. yep -- for most apps, going 64-bit is pointless > What is the 32/64 bit split in Sparc linux distros? PowerPC distros? Aurora is 64-bit kernel, 32-bit userspace on UltraSparc later, chris From pmatilai at welho.com Fri Oct 17 15:36:25 2003 From: pmatilai at welho.com (Panu Matilainen) Date: 17 Oct 2003 18:36:25 +0300 Subject: up2date and apt In-Reply-To: <200310171646.11475.dennis@ausil.us> References: <200310171646.11475.dennis@ausil.us> Message-ID: <1066404985.3849.5.camel@chip.ath.cx> On Fri, 2003-10-17 at 09:46, Dennis Gilmore wrote: > Hi all, > > anyone been suucesful withusing apt and up2date? every time i try to use it i > get all sorts of errors. > > from a CL i get this it gets the package lists ok from most apt repositories > but not rpm.livna.org > > Fetching package list for channel: rpm.livna.org-i386-stable... > > Fetching http://rpm.livna.org//fedora/0.95/i386/base/pkglist.stable.bz2... > gh1 > gh2 > There was some sort of I/O error: HTTP Error 404: Not Found > > removing that one source i get this far > > Fetching Obsoletes list for channel: arjan-2.6-kernel-i386-kernel... > > Fetching obsoletes list for http://people.redhat.com/~arjanv/2.5/... > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "/usr/sbin/up2date", line 1183, in ? > sys.exit(main() or 0) > File "/usr/sbin/up2date", line 761, in main > fullUpdate, dryRun=options.dry_run)) > File "/usr/sbin/up2date", line 1046, in batchRun > batch.run() > File "up2dateBatch.py", line 58, in run > File "up2dateBatch.py", line 96, in __findPackagesToUpdate > File "packageList.py", line 123, in run > File "rhnPackageInfo.py", line 404, in obsoletesList > File "rpcServer.py", line 109, in doCall > File "repoDirector.py", line 27, in getObsoletes > File "rpmSource.py", line 249, in getObsoletes > File "/usr/share/rhn/up2date_client/repoBackends/aptRepo.py", line 160, in > getObsoletes > hdrList = rpm.readHeaderListFromFile(fileHdrList) > rpm.error: (2, 'No such file or directory') > apt-get and synaptic work with all repositories fine. but i really like the > way up2date handles kernel updates. FWIW if you're using apt from fedora.us then just change Upgrade-Kernel to "true" in /etc/apt/apt.conf and you'll get kernel updated automatically by apt similarly to up2date. - Panu - From tduvally at brown.edu Fri Oct 17 15:32:39 2003 From: tduvally at brown.edu (Thomas DuVally) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 11:32:39 -0400 Subject: MD5 mismatch in 0.94 Message-ID: <1066404758.714.11.camel@croithine> Why do the "release.xxxxx" files in the 0.94 apt tree say they are 0.95? These seem to be causing md5sum mismatch errors when I try to use apt. Am I the only one seeing this? -- Thomas J. DuVally Lead Systems Prog. CIS, Brown Univ. http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x15F233F6 From nsilva-list at aoi.atari-source.com Fri Oct 17 15:39:55 2003 From: nsilva-list at aoi.atari-source.com (Noah Silva [Mailing list]) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 11:39:55 -0400 (EDT) Subject: AMD Athlon64 Systems In-Reply-To: <3F900950.8040407@cypress.com> Message-ID: > > Justin M. Forbes wrote: > > Yes, they should work on any AMD64 systems, but should also be considered > > ... > > been running the first isos I made from test 2 for a couple of weeks now, > > and stability has not been much of an issue. > > Does a 64bit mozilla even make sense right now? > I'd think just using the 32bit version would be fine. And no issues with > plugins. Even with 32bit, if you use a newer GCC to compile Mozilla, a lot of the plugins won't work. (f.e. flash compiled with GCC 2.8). > FWIW, I work with 64bit Solaris8, but most apps are still 32bit. > Mozilla, OpenOffice.org for sure. I think all of GNOME is still 32bit > here. I would like to see a 64bit GIMP though... Solaris has a better model for supporting both, however. I think the problem comes from, for example: When you compile a program in GCC by default, is "int" 64bit or 32bit? and if programs and shared libraries link together or pass structures around, the difference becomes important.. > What is the 32/64 bit split in Sparc linux distros? PowerPC distros? Interestingly, I run [debian] linux on both sparc and powerpc, and have never run into anything, probably since I mainly use prepackaged stuff on those machines. > -Thomas -- noah silva From nsilva-list at aoi.atari-source.com Fri Oct 17 15:46:46 2003 From: nsilva-list at aoi.atari-source.com (Noah Silva [Mailing list]) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 11:46:46 -0400 (EDT) Subject: AMD Athlon64 Systems In-Reply-To: <3F8F5956.3030003@speakeasy.net> Message-ID: On Thu, 16 Oct 2003, Robert L Cochran wrote: > I have a new question: would it be worthwhile investing in the Athlon64 > from a programming perspective? E.g. write 64 bit programs while the > rest of the world is still living on 32 bits? Only the rest of the -intel- [compatible] world. One of the nice things about linux is it runs on non-x86 systems too. At any rate, it's just like saying "Do we really have to support memory > 512mb when most people have 256mb?" Time catches up with you fast. What's more, most linux companies, including redhat, are targeting business customers, more likely to have higher end equipment. After all, IBM didn't port JFS to linux for me to run it on my desktop, they ported it because it had some recognition and trust in the enterprise market, and it will help them sell consulting services. -- noah silva From ed at redhat.com Fri Oct 17 15:47:22 2003 From: ed at redhat.com (Edward C. Bailey) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 11:47:22 -0400 Subject: New extra packages and yum repository In-Reply-To: (Noah Silva's message of "Fri, 17 Oct 2003 11:09:54 -0400 (EDT)") References: Message-ID: >>>>> "Noah" == Noah Silva [Mailing list] writes: ... Noah> Perhaps, but most larger companies care and worry. If you have Noah> nothing, there is nothing to take. ... A corollary to that is, the larger you are, the more visible/inviting a target you are. ... Noah> Obviously redhat is a bit more conservative than most, electing not Noah> to include mp3 support to the collective groan if it's users. See the above corollary... :-) Ed -- Ed Bailey Red Hat, Inc. http://www.redhat.com/ From shrek-m at gmx.de Fri Oct 17 15:47:50 2003 From: shrek-m at gmx.de (shrek-m at gmx.de) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 17:47:50 +0200 Subject: named - bad base 64 encoding Message-ID: <3F900F26.8070303@gmx.de> hi, clean install fc-t3 later installed via rpm # rpm -q bind bind-9.2.2.P3-6 # rpm -q caching-nameserver caching-nameserver-7.2-8 # chkconfig --list named # chconfig --add named # chconfig named on # chkconfig --list named named 0:Aus 1:Aus 2:Ein 3:Ein 4:Ein 5:Ein 6:Aus # service named start named starten: [ OK ] # service named status rndc: decode base64 secret: bad base64 encoding # service named stop named beenden: rndc: decode base64 secret: bad base64 encoding [FEHLGESCHLAGEN] # cat /etc/rndc.key key "rndckey" { algorithm hmac-md5; secret "@KEY@"; }; what is wrong ? -- shrek-m From jakub at redhat.com Fri Oct 17 15:48:41 2003 From: jakub at redhat.com (Jakub Jelinek) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 11:48:41 -0400 Subject: AMD Athlon64 Systems In-Reply-To: ; from kaboom@gatech.edu on Fri, Oct 17, 2003 at 11:32:06AM -0400 References: <3F900950.8040407@cypress.com> Message-ID: <20031017114841.Z26086@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Fri, Oct 17, 2003 at 11:32:06AM -0400, Chris Ricker wrote: > On Fri, 17 Oct 2003, Thomas Dodd wrote: > > > Does a 64bit mozilla even make sense right now? > > I'd think just using the 32bit version would be fine. And no issues with > > plugins. > > yep -- for most apps, going 64-bit is pointless > > > What is the 32/64 bit split in Sparc linux distros? PowerPC distros? > > Aurora is 64-bit kernel, 32-bit userspace on UltraSparc SPARC/PPC are different though. On AMD64, 64-bit code is typically faster than 32-bit (e.g. because it has more registers, cheapo pic addressing, etc.), while on SPARC/PPC 32-bit code is typically faster. Jakub From mandreiana at rdslink.ro Fri Oct 17 15:55:24 2003 From: mandreiana at rdslink.ro (Marius Andreiana) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 18:55:24 +0300 Subject: named service not listed in ntsysv In-Reply-To: <20031017104347.B4974@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <1066376342.5189.31.camel@marte.biciclete.ro> <20031017104347.B4974@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1066406124.5115.34.camel@marte.biciclete.ro> On Vi, 2003-10-17 at 17:43, Bill Nottingham wrote: > Please file in bugzilla. added, thanks -- Marius Andreiana LOAD - Linux Open Alternative Days Specialist Linux, Co-organizator http://www.load.ro From davej at redhat.com Fri Oct 17 15:53:28 2003 From: davej at redhat.com (Dave Jones) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 16:53:28 +0100 Subject: module errors installing .2096 kernel In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20031017155328.GA2972@redhat.com> On Fri, Oct 17, 2003 at 09:34:27AM -0400, Vanco, Don wrote: > depmod: *** Unresolved symbols in Yeah, I screwed up. Fixing. Should be in tomorrows push. Dave -- Dave Jones http://www.codemonkey.org.uk From notting at redhat.com Fri Oct 17 15:54:59 2003 From: notting at redhat.com (Bill Nottingham) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 11:54:59 -0400 Subject: named service not listed in ntsysv In-Reply-To: <200310171131.50051.czar@czarc.net>; from czar@czarc.net on Fri, Oct 17, 2003 at 11:31:50AM -0400 References: <1066376342.5189.31.camel@marte.biciclete.ro> <20031017104347.B4974@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <200310171131.50051.czar@czarc.net> Message-ID: <20031017115459.A18024@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Gene C. (czar at czarc.net) said: > > Please file in bugzilla. > > Bill -- I am not sure this is really a bug. > > Many services, when they are installed, are not enabled or disabled ... just > installed -- there are no knnxxxx or snnxxxx symbolic links in the > /etc/rc?.d/ directories and, thus, chkconfig --list shows nothing. > > If you then do > chkconfig --level 5 named off > the chkconfig --list named will show: > named 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off 4:off 5:off 6:off > > However, the message from chkconfig could be a bit misleading. Is that what > you want bugzilla'ed? If you get that message, that means chkconfig --add wasn't run; it should be, in most all cases. Bill From kaboom at gatech.edu Fri Oct 17 15:55:33 2003 From: kaboom at gatech.edu (Chris Ricker) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 11:55:33 -0400 (EDT) Subject: named - bad base 64 encoding In-Reply-To: <3F900F26.8070303@gmx.de> References: <3F900F26.8070303@gmx.de> Message-ID: On Fri, 17 Oct 2003, shrek-m at gmx.de wrote: > # service named stop > named beenden: rndc: decode base64 secret: bad base64 encoding > [FEHLGESCHLAGEN] > # cat /etc/rndc.key > key "rndckey" { > algorithm hmac-md5; > secret "@KEY@"; > }; > > > what is wrong ? #107343, fixed already later, chris From janina at rednote.net Fri Oct 17 16:09:55 2003 From: janina at rednote.net (Janina Sajka) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 12:09:55 -0400 Subject: Large-Font Question Message-ID: <20031017160955.GB7161@rednote.net> gnome-accessibility-list at bernard-hugueney.org Cc: Will Backman Bcc: Subject: Re: Gnome large print not giving large print Reply-To: In-Reply-To: <1066398649.2899.7.camel at localhost.localdomain> Hello: I'm not able to give you answer, but am forwarding this question on to the GNOME Accessibility List where I think it likely that good answers may be forthcoming. Will Backman writes: > From: Will Backman > > Has anyone tried the Gnome large print theme? I do seem to get larger > Icons, but not larger print. Anyone else getting this? > > -- Will > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list -- Janina Sajka Email: janina at rednote.net Phone: (202) 408-8175 Director, Technology Research and Development American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) http://www.afb.org Chair, Accessibility Work Group Free Standards Group http://accessibility.freestandards.org From shrek-m at gmx.de Fri Oct 17 15:58:17 2003 From: shrek-m at gmx.de (shrek-m at gmx.de) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 17:58:17 +0200 Subject: named - bad base 64 encoding In-Reply-To: <3F900F26.8070303@gmx.de> References: <3F900F26.8070303@gmx.de> Message-ID: <3F901199.9020702@gmx.de> shrek-m at gmx.de wrote: > # rpm -q bind > bind-9.2.2.P3-6 > # rpm -q caching-nameserver > caching-nameserver-7.2-8 > [...] > > # service named start > named starten: [ OK ] > # service named status > rndc: decode base64 secret: bad base64 encoding > # service named stop > named beenden: rndc: decode base64 secret: bad base64 encoding > [FEHLGESCHLAGEN] # yum install bind* Gathering header information file(s) from server(s) Server: Red Hat Linux 0.95 - i386 - Base Server: rawhide Server: Red Hat Linux 0.95 - Updates Finding updated packages Downloading needed headers Resolving dependencies Dependencies resolved I will do the following: [install: bind-devel 9.2.2.P3-8.i386] [install: bind-chroot 9.2.2.P3-8.i386] [update: bind 9.2.2.P3-8.i386] [update: bind-utils 9.2.2.P3-8.i386] Is this ok [y/N]: y Getting bind-9.2.2.P3-8.i386.rpm bind-9.2.2.P3-8.i386.rpm 100% |=========================| 1.7 MB 00:20 Getting bind-devel-9.2.2.P3-8.i386.rpm bind-devel-9.2.2.P3-8.i38 100% |=========================| 886 kB 00:10 Getting bind-utils-9.2.2.P3-8.i386.rpm bind-utils-9.2.2.P3-8.i38 100% |=========================| 617 kB 00:06 Getting bind-chroot-9.2.2.P3-8.i386.rpm bind-chroot-9.2.2.P3-8.i3 100% |=========================| 21 kB 00:00 Running test transaction: Test transaction complete, Success! bind-utils 100 % done 1/6 bind 100 % done 2/6 bind-devel 100 % done 3/6 bind-chroot 100 % done 4/6 named beenden: rndc: decode base64 secret: bad base64 encoding [FEHLGESCHLAGEN] named starten: [ OK ] Completing update for bind - 5/6 Completing update for bind-utils - 6/6 Installed: bind-devel 9.2.2.P3-8.i386 bind-chroot 9.2.2.P3-8.i386 Updated: bind 9.2.2.P3-8.i386 bind-utils 9.2.2.P3-8.i386 Transaction(s) Complete # service named stop named beenden: rndc: decode base64 secret: bad base64 encoding [FEHLGESCHLAGEN] # service named start named starten: [ OK ] # service named status rndc: decode base64 secret: bad base64 encoding -- shrek-m From ms-nospam-0306 at arcor.de Fri Oct 17 15:59:12 2003 From: ms-nospam-0306 at arcor.de (Michael Schwendt) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 17:59:12 +0200 Subject: named service not listed in ntsysv In-Reply-To: <1066376342.5189.31.camel@marte.biciclete.ro> References: <1066376342.5189.31.camel@marte.biciclete.ro> Message-ID: <20031017175912.4b3e2281.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 10:39:02 +0300, Marius Andreiana wrote: > named service it's not listed in ntsysv. > > # chkconfig --list named > service named supports chkconfig, but is not referenced in any runlevel > (run 'chkconfig --add named') Works for me. The post-install script runs "chkconfig --add named". $ rpm -q bind bind-9.2.2.P3-8 - -- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/kBHQ0iMVcrivHFQRAsyAAJwLiEZ8A9YoF4tE4NCKtUxqmqG5nQCfTK1c uNynBUqNdWBFut4uZvoHt5E= =u/ot -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From bpmckie at sbcglobal.net Fri Oct 17 16:16:42 2003 From: bpmckie at sbcglobal.net (Brian McKie) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 09:16:42 -0700 Subject: mp3 support Message-ID: <1066407402.4845.2.camel@opera> Hi all, Does anyone know how to get xmms to play mp3 files? I know you used to be bale to install and mp3 rpm for xmms, but I cant find one for 1.2.8. Thanks, Brian From nsilva-list at aoi.atari-source.com Fri Oct 17 16:26:14 2003 From: nsilva-list at aoi.atari-source.com (Noah Silva [Mailing list]) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 12:26:14 -0400 (EDT) Subject: mp3 support In-Reply-To: <1066407402.4845.2.camel@opera> Message-ID: If I were you, I would uninstall the RH RPM, and go install the RPMs from xmms.org. -- noah silva On Fri, 17 Oct 2003, Brian McKie wrote: > Hi all, > > Does anyone know how to get xmms to play mp3 files? I know you used to > be bale to install and mp3 rpm for xmms, but I cant find one for 1.2.8. > > Thanks, Brian > > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > From anvil at livna.org Fri Oct 17 16:29:40 2003 From: anvil at livna.org (Dams) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 18:29:40 +0200 Subject: mp3 support In-Reply-To: <1066407402.4845.2.camel@opera> References: <1066407402.4845.2.camel@opera> Message-ID: <1066408180.30450.2.camel@localhost> http://rpm.livna.org/readme.txt Le ven 17/10/2003 ? 18:16, Brian McKie a ?crit : > Hi all, > > Does anyone know how to get xmms to play mp3 files? I know you used to > be bale to install and mp3 rpm for xmms, but I cant find one for 1.2.8. > > Thanks, Brian -- Dams Nad? Anvil/Anvilou on irc.freenode.net : #Linux-Fr, #Fedora I am looking for a job : http://livna.org/~anvil/cv.php "Dona Nobis Pacem E Dona Eis Requiem". Noir. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Ceci est une partie de message num?riquement sign?e. URL: From shrek-m at gmx.de Fri Oct 17 16:27:47 2003 From: shrek-m at gmx.de (shrek-m at gmx.de) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 18:27:47 +0200 Subject: squid - visible_hostname Message-ID: <3F901883.2000408@gmx.de> hi, afair since rhl9/squid-2.5 is the visible-hostname needed. could it be possible to add this entry in the squid.conf via rpm ? # rpm -q squid squid-2.5.STABLE3-0 # service squid start init_cache_dir /var/spool/squid... /etc/init.d/squid: line 162: 18364 Abgebrochen $SQUID -z -F -D 2>/dev/null squid starten: /etc/init.d/squid: line 162: 18365 Abgebrochen $SQUID $SQUID_OPTS 2>/dev/null [FEHLGESCHLAGEN] # vi /var/log/messages # vi /etc/squid/squid.conf # service squid start init_cache_dir /var/spool/squid... squid starten: . [ OK ] # service squid status squid (pid 18385 18383) wird ausgef??hrt... # grep visible_hostname /etc/squid/squid.conf # TAG: visible_hostname ### why not via rpm ?? visible_hostname fct3 ### thanks !! # 'visible_hostname' then you must give each machine a different -- shrek-m From monty19 at hotmail.com Fri Oct 17 16:38:54 2003 From: monty19 at hotmail.com (Jason Montleon) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 16:38:54 +0000 Subject: Unable to set up OpenOffice.org 1.1 Message-ID: I had the same experience. No icons, thought that was wierd so I rpm -e'd the packages and then used up2date to reinstall them. Still no icons so I started looking around. Tried running /usr/lib/openoffice/program/soffice but that started an installer which failed miserably trying to copy files to the directory I designated (something like /opt/OpenOffice.org). I then did rpm -qi openoffice.org to look at the version of the RPM's I had installed and by stupid luck I saw the bit about running oofice. That did the trick, but now when I run ooffice from the command line I get (which I don't know if is good, bad, or indifferent): sed: can't read /home/jason/.openoffice/user/config/registry/instance/org/openoffice/Setup.xml: No such file or directory Other than that it seems to work great. /usr/lib/openoffice/program/soffice works now as well except it doesn't cause the same warning/error. Jason >On Tue, 2003-10-14 at 15:24, Dee-Ann LeBlanc wrote: >>When I run the OOo setup program, whether as root or an individual user, >>I encounter so many errors during the file placement phase that I'm >>unwilling to keep clicking Retry or Ignore to see how long it takes me >>to get through. It becomes just about impossible around the 79% mark. >> >>Is anyone else encountering this problem? I noticed that after the install >>of Test 3, the menus had no openoffice >items. So, I just ran ooffice and it created the menu items and runs >just fine. >>Byte _________________________________________________________________ Fretting that your Hotmail account may expire because you forgot to sign in enough? Get Hotmail Extra Storage today! http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=features/es From shrek-m at gmx.de Fri Oct 17 16:43:45 2003 From: shrek-m at gmx.de (shrek-m at gmx.de) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 18:43:45 +0200 Subject: named - bad base 64 encoding In-Reply-To: References: <3F900F26.8070303@gmx.de> Message-ID: <3F901C41.4020407@gmx.de> Chris Ricker wrote: >On Fri, 17 Oct 2003, shrek-m at gmx.de wrote: > > > >># service named stop >>named beenden: rndc: decode base64 secret: bad base64 encoding >> [FEHLGESCHLAGEN] >># cat /etc/rndc.key >>key "rndckey" { >> algorithm hmac-md5; >> secret "@KEY@"; >>}; >> >> >>what is wrong ? >> >> > >#107343, fixed already > > thanks, works now ;-) # yum remove bind Gathering header information file(s) from server(s) Server: Red Hat Linux 0.95 - i386 - Base Server: rawhide Server: Red Hat Linux 0.95 - Updates Finding updated packages Downloading needed headers Resolving dependencies .Dependencies resolved I will do the following: [erase: bind 9.2.2.P3-8.i386] I will erase these to satisfy the dependencies: [deps: bind-chroot 9.2.2.P3-8.i386] [deps: bind-devel 9.2.2.P3-8.i386] [deps: caching-nameserver 7.2-8.noarch] Is this ok [y/N]: y Running test transaction: Test transaction complete, Success! warning: /etc/sysconfig/named saved as /etc/sysconfig/named.rpmsave Erasing: bind 1/4 /var/tmp/rpm-tmp.76594: line 7: /etc/init.d/named: Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht gefunden warning: /var/named/chroot/etc/rndc.key saved as /var/named/chroot/etc/rndc.key.rpmsave warning: /var/named/chroot/etc/named.conf saved as /var/named/chroot/etc/named.conf.rpmsave Erasing: bind-chroot 2/4 Erasing: bind-devel 3/4 Erasing: caching-nameserver 4/4 Erased: bind 9.2.2.P3-8.i386 bind-chroot 9.2.2.P3-8.i386 bind-devel 9.2.2.P3-8.i386 caching-nameserver 7.2-8.noarch Transaction(s) Complete # yum install bind* caching-nameserver Gathering header information file(s) from server(s) Server: Red Hat Linux 0.95 - i386 - Base Server: rawhide Server: Red Hat Linux 0.95 - Updates Finding updated packages Downloading needed headers Resolving dependencies Dependencies resolved I will do the following: [install: caching-nameserver 7.2-8.noarch] [install: bind 9.2.2.P3-8.i386] [install: bind-devel 9.2.2.P3-8.i386] [install: bind-chroot 9.2.2.P3-8.i386] Is this ok [y/N]: y Getting caching-nameserver-7.2-8.noarch.rpm caching-nameserver-7.2-8. 100% |=========================| 7.5 kB 00:00 Running test transaction: Test transaction complete, Success! bind 100 % done 1/4 caching-nameserver 100 % done 2/4 bind-devel 100 % done 3/4 bind-chroot 100 % done 4/4 named beenden: rndc: connect failed: connection refused [FEHLGESCHLAGEN] named starten: [ OK ] Installed: caching-nameserver 7.2-8.noarch bind 9.2.2.P3-8.i386 bind-devel 9.2.2.P3-8.i386 bind-chroot 9.2.2.P3-8.i386 Transaction(s) Complete # service named status number of zones: 4 debug level: 0 xfers running: 0 xfers deferred: 0 soa queries in progress: 0 query logging is OFF server is up and running -- shrek-m From nsilva-list at aoi.atari-source.com Fri Oct 17 16:04:42 2003 From: nsilva-list at aoi.atari-source.com (Noah Silva [Mailing list]) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 12:04:42 -0400 (EDT) Subject: 2,6 kernel Message-ID: Hi, Just a little report: Installed the 2.6 kernel RPM, it gave an error message ("Scriptlet failed to.." something..), but still installed and appeared in grub. X seems a lot "faster" now (ie. moving windows is much more smooth, etc.), other than that, not much noticibly change. (which is how it should be I suppose). -- noah silva From monty19 at hotmail.com Fri Oct 17 16:53:01 2003 From: monty19 at hotmail.com (Jason Montleon) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 16:53:01 +0000 Subject: Change Icon Spacing on Gnome Desktop Message-ID: This is probably A) A really dumb question and B) A serious case of go RTFM But I am looking online and around in settings and I can find no way to change the spacing of the desktop icons in Gnome. Is there a way? If so how? Thank you, Jason _________________________________________________________________ Never get a busy signal because you are always connected with high-speed Internet access. Click here to comparison-shop providers. https://broadband.msn.com From michal at harddata.com Fri Oct 17 16:55:49 2003 From: michal at harddata.com (Michal Jaegermann) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 10:55:49 -0600 Subject: AMD Athlon64 Systems In-Reply-To: <3F900950.8040407@cypress.com>; from ted@cypress.com on Fri, Oct 17, 2003 at 10:22:56AM -0500 References: <3F900950.8040407@cypress.com> Message-ID: <20031017105549.A26374@mail.harddata.com> On Fri, Oct 17, 2003 at 10:22:56AM -0500, Thomas Dodd wrote: > > Does a 64bit mozilla even make sense right now? What do you mean? Mozilla recompiled for 64-bits on Alpha is a reality for a very long time. There is no other one. There is an issue, of course, with binary only plugins which you could possibly would want to use but would be the case regardless if Alpha binaries would be 64 or 32 bits. This is different on x86_64 though but it has really nothing to do with 32/64 differences. > FWIW, I work with 64bit Solaris8, but most apps are still 32bit. SPARC is somewhat different story. 32-bit user space is faster there due to architectural issues. This is not the case for every 64-bit processor. > Mozilla, OpenOffice.org for sure. At least not so long time ago, and probably still, this was available (the first directory contains a big pile of 64-bit binaries for Linux/Alpha): ftp://gatworks.com/OpenOffice1.0.2/01.norm/ ftp://gatworks.com/OpenOffice1.0.2/DigitalAlphaPatches/LX164.OpenOffice.Patches.3.tar.bz2 This shows at least that cleaning up 32-bit bugs even from OpenOffice is doable. If these patches are good enough to recompile that monster on SPARC I have no idea but bulk of work is likely already done. > I would like to see a 64bit GIMP though... Hm, let us see. Like that? ftp://ftp2.compaq.com/pub/linux/RedHat/7.2-alpha/updates/rpms/alpha/ 8844992 Apr 11 2003 gimp-1.2.1-7.1hp.alpha.rpm 301056 Apr 11 2003 gimp-devel-1.2.1-7.1hp.alpha.rpm 364562 Apr 11 2003 gimp-perl-1.2.1-7.1hp.alpha.rpm and sources are in the next directory. http://rpmfind.net/ quickly finds various other 64-bit GIMP binaries. In times when Red Hat still had in its offer distributions for Alpha gimp was present at least from RH 5.1 on. Maybe earlier? It appears that GIMP is simply written correctly so it should be enough just to recompile. Michal From elwoo at videotron.ca Fri Oct 17 17:08:29 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 13:08:29 -0400 Subject: [enticedbylife.com #16] openoffice is not added to the menus In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200310171308.29952.elwoo@videotron.ca> On October 17, 2003 08:51 am, Matt via RT , > wrote: > What commands do you issue to run openoffice writer? ]$ oowriter Elton -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From elwoo at videotron.ca Fri Oct 17 17:16:14 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 13:16:14 -0400 Subject: how do I *re-enable* up2date to point to rawhide? Message-ID: <200310171316.14666.elwoo@videotron.ca> Well, I made a serious boo-boo! <*sigh*>. I ran rhn_register... but "demo" accounts no longer apply, and there is no longer a "beta" channel. I've removed the system from rhn, but now when I run up2date, it insists that I run rhn_register... ... feel free to rap me on the knuckles .... <*sheesh*!!> Elton ;-) -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Fri Oct 17 17:19:48 2003 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: 17 Oct 2003 13:19:48 -0400 Subject: apt vs yum In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1066411188.4907.5.camel@opus> On Fri, 2003-10-17 at 11:28, Noah Silva [Mailing list] wrote: > > > I find it odd to hear that you (Justin) found yum to be slower than apt. > > > It's my understanding that apt (for rpm) suffers from far more bloat and > > > frankly sucks the life out of my old pentiums. But it's so damn > > > effective and convenient, that I admin shy of two dozen redhat servers > > > with it. Again, I've not tried YUM.. > > > > I don't recall saying that yum is slower. > > > I was the one that said that. On every system I have tried so far, apt is > an order of magnitude faster than yum. Worse yet, unless you explicitly > tell it not to, yum tries to do certain things -every-single- time you run > it. (i.e. I really don't want to see "downloading headers" then I do "yum > install gimp"). Then again, a lot of things I just haven't found an apt > repo for, so... you do realize why it prints 'downloading headers' right? It gets a list of what is available on the repos and merges the lists to determine what is most current, so it can provide you with an accurate list of pkgs available. The downloading headers is actually checking the headers to make sure they aren't corrupt, if they are corrupt then it downloads them again to make sure it has a complete list of what might be available. -sv From jkeating at j2solutions.net Fri Oct 17 17:20:10 2003 From: jkeating at j2solutions.net (Jesse Keating) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 10:20:10 -0700 Subject: AMD Athlon64 Systems -- dual-940 boards with =?iso-8859-15?q?AGP+PCI-X are still=20costly?= ... In-Reply-To: <20031017082810.GB26018@ee.oulu.fi> References: <3F8E121B.2020103@speakeasy.net> <3F8F78D9.1080602@togami.com> <20031017082810.GB26018@ee.oulu.fi> Message-ID: <200310171020.10775.jkeating@j2solutions.net> On Friday 17 October 2003 01:28, Pekka Pietikainen wrote: > What I would find very interesting is gmpbench > (http://www.swox.com/gmp/gmpbench.html) even though there's no > athlon64-optimized assembler in the current gmp, both with > SSE2-optimized 32-bit and 64-bit gmp. > > We've done some gmp benchmarks ourselves, fastest thing out there > seems to be out there is the good old Alpha (well, 21364 at 1 GHz :-) ) > followed by Itanium 2 1GHz (1.5 GHz should be about the same as the > Alpha). 32-bit CPU's are somewhat slower even at 2.4 GHz :-) I just tried to run this, but I can't get the .c file they include to compile. Have you been able to get it to compile on a RHL9 system? -- Jesse Keating RHCE MCSE (geek.j2solutions.net) Fedora Legacy Team (www.fedora.us/wiki/FedoraLegacy) Mondo DevTeam (www.mondorescue.org) GPG Public Key (geek.j2solutions.net/jkeating.j2solutions.pub) Was I helpful? Let others know: http://svcs.affero.net/rm.php?r=jkeating -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: signature URL: From elwoo at videotron.ca Fri Oct 17 17:20:06 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 13:20:06 -0400 Subject: Xfree GL still does not coexist with the nVidia drivers In-Reply-To: References: <200310161642.32985.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <200310171320.06015.elwoo@videotron.ca> On October 17, 2003 09:11 am, Mike A. Harris , <"Mike A. Harris" > wrote: > On Thu, 16 Oct 2003, Elton Woo wrote: > >XFree86-Mesa-libGL had to be removed using the --nodeps flag. > >Before installing the nVidia drivers with Fedora Core Test 3, the > >GL screensavers ran with no problems, but I had to install the > >dirvers to counteract the jittery mouse pointer in TuxRacer. > >Then, to re-enable the GL screen-savers, I had to remove XFree GL > > I made the package so that it could be uninstalled and replaced > by an alternative libGL. Since the OS ships with libGL linked > software, what exactly do you propose as a solution? <*SHRUG*> ... I have no idea... I just thought that you should know. I agree that it's something of a PITA to remove that lib just so that the GL screensavers can run again... > Unless someone can genius up an acceptable and reasonable > solution which doesn't have high implementation or package > maintenance costs, then the existing solution will more or less > remain. > > Nvidia doesn't seem to even care, as they just blow away random > rpm installed files on a whim anyway. Perhaps I should have rpm > postinstall scripts mark the files immutable or something. ... if you think this would do it ... I'm starting to wonder if my next video card upgrade should be an ATI or Matrox instead. Both are made in Canada, and Matrox is in Montreal West. Elton ;-) -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From shrek-m at gmx.de Fri Oct 17 17:20:57 2003 From: shrek-m at gmx.de (shrek-m at gmx.de) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 19:20:57 +0200 Subject: crux-theme - mozilla-preferences Message-ID: <3F9024F9.3080301@gmx.de> hi, when you have the crux-theme you can not see what are the actually settings in the mozilla-preferences in the buttons. - choose crux - open mozilla-preferences eg. advanced/proxies you see all buttons as activated, black point in it. with bluecurve, smokey blue, ... no problems. -- shrek-m From mhouston at gci.net Fri Oct 17 17:24:18 2003 From: mhouston at gci.net (Shawn Houston) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 09:24:18 -0800 Subject: kupdate oops with kernel 2.4.22-1.2093.athlon Message-ID: <1066411457.4501.10.camel@minime.home.pc> Same issue with kupdate oops on shutdown using 2096. bugzilla 107233. -Shawn From davej at redhat.com Fri Oct 17 17:31:26 2003 From: davej at redhat.com (Dave Jones) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 18:31:26 +0100 Subject: how do I *re-enable* up2date to point to rawhide? In-Reply-To: <200310171316.14666.elwoo@videotron.ca> References: <200310171316.14666.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <20031017173126.GB21569@redhat.com> On Fri, Oct 17, 2003 at 01:16:14PM -0400, Elton Woo wrote: > Well, I made a serious boo-boo! <*sigh*>. I ran rhn_register... but > "demo" accounts no longer apply, and there is no longer a "beta" > channel. I've removed the system from rhn, but now when I run > up2date, it insists that I run rhn_register... I screwed up in exactly the same way last week. To fix it I edited /etc/sysconfig/rhn/sources and changed the only uncommented line to read.. yum rawhide http://ftp.redhat.com/pub/redhat/linux/rawhide/ Dave -- Dave Jones http://www.codemonkey.org.uk From czar at czarc.net Fri Oct 17 17:38:54 2003 From: czar at czarc.net (Gene C.) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 13:38:54 -0400 Subject: named service not listed in ntsysv In-Reply-To: <20031017115459.A18024@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <1066376342.5189.31.camel@marte.biciclete.ro> <200310171131.50051.czar@czarc.net> <20031017115459.A18024@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <200310171338.54106.czar@czarc.net> On Friday 17 October 2003 11:54, Bill Nottingham wrote: > Gene C. (czar at czarc.net) said: > > > Please file in bugzilla. > > > > Bill -- I am not sure this is really a bug. > > > > Many services, when they are installed, are not enabled or disabled ... > > just installed -- there are no knnxxxx or snnxxxx symbolic links in the > > /etc/rc?.d/ directories and, thus, chkconfig --list shows nothing. > > > > If you then do > > chkconfig --level 5 named off > > the chkconfig --list named will show: > > named 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off 4:off 5:off 6:off > > > > However, the message from chkconfig could be a bit misleading. Is that > > what you want bugzilla'ed? > > If you get that message, that means chkconfig --add wasn't run; it > should be, in most all cases. This must be a Red Hat "policy" thing that packages that install a new service make sure to add that service but "in a safe mode" -- httpd has "stop" entries in all runlevels. I find it interesting that is you have named only in runlevel 5 (either stop or start, it does not matter) and nothing defined in the other runlevels, then chkconfig --list reports the correct info for runlevel 5 but "off" for the other runlevels. To be consistent with your statement, shouldn't we bugzilla chkconfig to report "on/off" (really start/stop) only where that is actually defined? As it now works, it will report that switching from runlevel 5 to runlevel 3 will stop named when this is not the case. -- Gene From elwoo at videotron.ca Fri Oct 17 17:43:21 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 13:43:21 -0400 Subject: oosetup error In-Reply-To: <3F8F9782.6050608@sina.com> References: <3F8F9782.6050608@sina.com> Message-ID: <200310171343.21960.elwoo@videotron.ca> On October 17, 2003 03:17 am, Zu , > wrote: > [kyle at dev3-86 kyle]$ oosetup > sed????? > /home/kyle/.openoffice/user/config/registry/instance/org/openoffice/Setup.x >ml? ????????? Have you tried: /usr/lib/openoffice/setup ? Elton ;-) -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From don.vanco at agilysys.com Fri Oct 17 17:52:23 2003 From: don.vanco at agilysys.com (Vanco, Don) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 13:52:23 -0400 Subject: kupdate oops with kernel 2.4.22-1.2093.athlon Message-ID: Shawn Houston scribbled on Friday, October 17, 2003 1:24 PM: > Same issue with kupdate oops on shutdown using 2096. > > bugzilla 107233. Likewise on .2096 for 686 Don From czar at czarc.net Fri Oct 17 17:53:13 2003 From: czar at czarc.net (Gene C.) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 13:53:13 -0400 Subject: named service not listed in ntsysv In-Reply-To: <20031017175912.4b3e2281.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de> References: <1066376342.5189.31.camel@marte.biciclete.ro> <20031017175912.4b3e2281.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de> Message-ID: <200310171353.13118.czar@czarc.net> On Friday 17 October 2003 11:59, Michael Schwendt wrote: > On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 10:39:02 +0300, Marius Andreiana wrote: > > named service it's not listed in ntsysv. > > > > # chkconfig --list named > > service named supports chkconfig, but is not referenced in any runlevel > > (run 'chkconfig --add named') > > Works for me. The post-install script runs "chkconfig --add named". > > $ rpm -q bind > bind-9.2.2.P3-8 Now that is interesting. I have an everything install and took a look at httpd and bind (named). Both have /sbin/chkconfig --add xxxx in the postinstall script (although bind's is conditional and that may be the problem). After the install, httpd had the entries and named did not. -- Gene From davej at redhat.com Fri Oct 17 17:58:51 2003 From: davej at redhat.com (Dave Jones) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 18:58:51 +0100 Subject: kupdate oops with kernel 2.4.22-1.2093.athlon In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20031017175850.GA24468@redhat.com> On Fri, Oct 17, 2003 at 01:52:23PM -0400, Vanco, Don wrote: > > Shawn Houston scribbled on Friday, October 17, > 2003 1:24 PM: > > Same issue with kupdate oops on shutdown using 2096. > > > > bugzilla 107233. > > Likewise on .2096 for 686 It's already fixed locally, it'll be fixed in tomorrows push. Dave -- Dave Jones http://www.codemonkey.org.uk From elwoo at videotron.ca Fri Oct 17 18:06:39 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 14:06:39 -0400 Subject: HOWTO enable mp3 Re: mp3 support In-Reply-To: <1066407402.4845.2.camel@opera> References: <1066407402.4845.2.camel@opera> Message-ID: <200310171406.39907.elwoo@videotron.ca> On October 17, 2003 12:16 pm, Brian McKie , > wrote: > Hi all, > > Does anyone know how to get xmms to play mp3 files? I know you used to > be bale to install and mp3 rpm for xmms, but I cant find one for 1.2.8. ... from my notes: MP3 SUPPORT in Red Hat 9 (also valid for Severn Test1, and Fedora Core): from: http://www.mpg123.de/cgi-bin/sitexplorer.cgi?/mpg123/precompiled/ download and install: mpg123-0.59q-1.i386.rpm OR mpg123-0.59q.3dnow-1.i386.rpm To re-enable XMMS MP3 support in Red Hat Linux, you can simply install the xmms-mp3-1.2.7-13.p.i386.rpm file. http://www.gurulabs.com/downloads.html It provides the two files: root]#/usr/lib/xmms/Input/libmpg123.la root]#/usr/lib/xmms/Input/libmpg123.so For Red Hat Linux 9, installing the following RPMs provides an MP3-capable version of XMMS. [License: GPL] xmms-1.2.7-22.i386.rpm xmms-devel-1.2.7-22.i386.rpm xmms-mp3-1.2.7-22.i386.rpm xmms-skins-1.2.7-22.i386.rpm xmms-1.2.7-22.src.rpm MP3 to WAV conversion: root]#mpg123 -w myfile.wav myfile.mp3. I highly recommend getting xine and gxine from http://freshrpms.net/, and the various codecs. You will then be able to play mp3 and qt files. HTH & cheers, Elton ;-) -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From elwoo at videotron.ca Fri Oct 17 18:09:01 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 14:09:01 -0400 Subject: Change Icon Spacing on Gnome Desktop In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200310171409.01816.elwoo@videotron.ca> On October 17, 2003 12:53 pm, Jason Montleon , > wrote: > This is probably A) A really dumb question and B) A serious case of go RTFM > > But I am looking online and around in settings and I can find no way to > change the spacing of the desktop icons in Gnome. Is there a way? If so > how? AFAIK, you simply grab the icons with your mouse and move them into position. Elton ;-) -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From ted at cypress.com Fri Oct 17 18:12:37 2003 From: ted at cypress.com (Thomas Dodd) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 13:12:37 -0500 Subject: AMD Athlon64 Systems In-Reply-To: <20031017105549.A26374@mail.harddata.com> References: <3F900950.8040407@cypress.com> <20031017105549.A26374@mail.harddata.com> Message-ID: <3F903115.8020109@cypress.com> Michal Jaegermann wrote: > On Fri, Oct 17, 2003 at 10:22:56AM -0500, Thomas Dodd wrote: > >>Does a 64bit mozilla even make sense right now? > What do you mean? Mozilla recompiled for 64-bits on Alpha is a Only talking about x86 here. So woul a 64bit version orf mozilla to run on the K8 be much of a gain? >>FWIW, I work with 64bit Solaris8, but most apps are still 32bit. > SPARC is somewhat different story. 32-bit user space is faster > there due to architectural issues. This is not the case for every > 64-bit processor. That I didn't know. So on SPARC, only apps that need 64bit registers/addresses should be compiled in 64bit apps? >>Mozilla, OpenOffice.org for sure. Clearification, Moz and OOo are 32bit on Solaris/SPARC. I'm sure it would be possible to make 64bit versions. > ftp://gatworks.com/OpenOffice1.0.2/01.norm/ > ftp://gatworks.com/OpenOffice1.0.2/DigitalAlphaPatches/LX164.OpenOffice.Patches.3.tar.bz2 So you know if those have been sent to OOo/Sun ? If 64bit was a gain for OOo/SO, i expect Sun would offer it. It could be a SPARC issue though, as noted above. I think Mozilla has a 64bit option for JavaScript. >>I would like to see a 64bit GIMP though... > Hm, let us see. Like that? On a SPARC. Should be much better for effects (like the Photoshop plugin for the new 64bit Macs). I see taroon has an x86_64 rpm too. Now to get a K8 box to test on... So much to do, so little ca$h :( Has anyone seen 64/32 bit comparisons of the GIMP on K8, SPARC, or PPC? -Thomas From elwoo at videotron.ca Fri Oct 17 18:17:33 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 14:17:33 -0400 Subject: Speakup in kernel In-Reply-To: References: <3163.142.167.72.162.1066313381.squirrel@mail.ceimaine.org> Message-ID: <200310171417.33251.elwoo@videotron.ca> On October 17, 2003 09:13 am, William F. Acker WB2FLW +1-303-722-7209 , <"William F. Acker WB2FLW +1-303-722-7209" > wrote: > > ftp://linux-speakup.org/pub/speakup/disks/redhat/ > > > > HTH. > > I knew I should have had more coffee yesterday. Bill, I think maybe you had *too much* coffee! LOL! ... couldn't resist! Elton ;-) -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From ted at cypress.com Fri Oct 17 18:18:30 2003 From: ted at cypress.com (Thomas Dodd) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 13:18:30 -0500 Subject: AMD Athlon64 Systems In-Reply-To: <20031017114841.Z26086@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <3F900950.8040407@cypress.com> <20031017114841.Z26086@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <3F903276.80206@cypress.com> Jakub Jelinek wrote: > On Fri, Oct 17, 2003 at 11:32:06AM -0400, Chris Ricker wrote: >>On Fri, 17 Oct 2003, Thomas Dodd wrote: >>>What is the 32/64 bit split in Sparc linux distros? PowerPC distros? >> >>Aurora is 64-bit kernel, 32-bit userspace on UltraSparc Like Solaris then. > SPARC/PPC are different though. On AMD64, 64-bit code is typically faster > than 32-bit (e.g. because it has more registers, Enough faster to notice in something like Mozilla. Will K8 users have 2 version of mozilla, one for speed and one for 32bit plugins? How hard would a wraper plugin be? Something to allow 32bit plugins to work with 64bit mozilla. > cheapo pic addressing, etc.), while on SPARC/PPC 32-bit code > is typically faster. So did Sun get 64bits wrong ? -Thomas From jrmizell at earthlink.net Fri Oct 17 18:34:58 2003 From: jrmizell at earthlink.net (John Mizell) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 14:34:58 -0400 (GMT-04:00) Subject: Openoffice postgresql integration Message-ID: <9810831.1066415698551.JavaMail.root@bigbird.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Is Redhat or anyone else working on a conduit for postgresql native support in Open Office or do I need to request this? Thanx, John Mizell From blizzard at redhat.com Fri Oct 17 18:35:50 2003 From: blizzard at redhat.com (Christopher Blizzard) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 14:35:50 -0400 Subject: crux-theme - mozilla-preferences In-Reply-To: <3F9024F9.3080301@gmx.de> References: <3F9024F9.3080301@gmx.de> Message-ID: <3F903686.5020707@redhat.com> shrek-m at gmx.de wrote: > hi, > > when you have the crux-theme you can not see what are the actually > settings in the mozilla-preferences in the buttons. > > > - choose crux > - open mozilla-preferences > eg. advanced/proxies > > you see all buttons as activated, black point in it. > > > with bluecurve, smokey blue, ... no problems. > That's probably because the crux theme still uses clear_window() which makes mozilla's theme support break. --Chris From elwoo at videotron.ca Fri Oct 17 18:39:34 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 14:39:34 -0400 Subject: up2date: "system ...not ... associated with a channel" Message-ID: <200310171439.34628.elwoo@videotron.ca> After running rhn_register, I seem to have lost the link to yum-rawhide. Up2date now reports: "This system may not be updated until it is associated with a channel." ... and I can't get any further with updates... Elton :-( -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From glass-art at comcast.net Fri Oct 17 18:55:12 2003 From: glass-art at comcast.net (Clifford Snow) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 11:55:12 -0700 Subject: how do I *re-enable* up2date to point to rawhide? In-Reply-To: <20031017173126.GB21569@redhat.com> References: <200310171316.14666.elwoo@videotron.ca> <20031017173126.GB21569@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1066416911.4528.7.camel@blue.comcast.net> On Fri, 2003-10-17 at 10:31, Dave Jones wrote: > On Fri, Oct 17, 2003 at 01:16:14PM -0400, Elton Woo wrote: > > Well, I made a serious boo-boo! <*sigh*>. I ran rhn_register... but > > "demo" accounts no longer apply, and there is no longer a "beta" > > channel. I've removed the system from rhn, but now when I run > > up2date, it insists that I run rhn_register... > > I screwed up in exactly the same way last week. To fix it I > edited /etc/sysconfig/rhn/sources and changed the only uncommented > line to read.. > > yum rawhide http://ftp.redhat.com/pub/redhat/linux/rawhide/ I needed to make sure that the line "up2date default" was commented out as well as adding the pointer to rawhide. -- Clifford -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From saphipps at mchsi.com Fri Oct 17 18:56:59 2003 From: saphipps at mchsi.com (Scott A Phipps) Date: 17 Oct 2003 13:56:59 -0500 Subject: HOWTO enable mp3 Re: mp3 support In-Reply-To: <200310171406.39907.elwoo@videotron.ca> References: <1066407402.4845.2.camel@opera> <200310171406.39907.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <1066417019.4897.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> Is there any way to get rhythmbox to support mp3's? I have gstreamer playing them, but rhythmbox still will not even allow me to add mp3's to a playlist. Scott From Jay.Harris at noaa.gov Fri Oct 17 18:57:26 2003 From: Jay.Harris at noaa.gov (Jay Harris) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 14:57:26 -0400 Subject: mozilla search misbehavoir? Message-ID: <3F903B96.8020901@noaa.gov> Elton Woo wrote: >Changing the default search engine for mozilla from Google to >Netscape brings up this error: > >"HTTP Status 500 - No Context configured to process this request > >type Status report > >message No Context configured to process this request > >description The server encountered an internal error (No Context >configured to >process this request) that prevented it from fulfilling this request. >Apache Tomcat/4.1.24" > >... has anyone else noticed this? version:mozilla-1.4.1-10. > >This happens even if I close and reopen the browser between changes... Same here. I was able to get around this by editing prefs.js to use the following: user_pref("browser.search.defaultengine","engine:///usr/lib/mozilla-1.4.1/searchplugins/google.src"); Jay From miketclew at nepotia.org Fri Oct 17 18:59:49 2003 From: miketclew at nepotia.org (Michael Clewley) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 14:59:49 -0400 Subject: MD5 mismatch in 0.94 In-Reply-To: <1066404758.714.11.camel@croithine>; from tduvally@brown.edu on Fri, Oct 17, 2003 at 11:32:39AM -0400 References: <1066404758.714.11.camel@croithine> Message-ID: <20031017145949.A31813@nepotia.nepotia.home> On 17, Thomas DuVally wrote: > Why do the "release.xxxxx" files in the 0.94 apt tree say they are > 0.95? In your /var/stats/apt/lists/ dir? That should only be if you specify a 0.95 repository in your sources.list(.d/*.list)? files. > These seem to be causing md5sum mismatch errors when I try to use > apt. Am I the only one seeing this? I was suffering from a similar issue... and I took a few repository visits to learn that the 0.94's were GONE. Instead, I found 0.95. So, I did one of these: for file in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/* ; do perl -pi.bak -e 's/\.94/\.95/' $file ; done To up them all the to the release that was available, then all worked as expected (After an update/dist-upgrade). Oh! I did have to comment one line out in my apt.conf.. and that was this guy: // Ignore { "gpg-pubkey"; }; I set this, instead, to work around unsigned packages (Scary, kinda): GPG-Check "false"; Anyways.. HTH. -mike -- Michael Clewley From elwoo at videotron.ca Fri Oct 17 19:10:45 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 15:10:45 -0400 Subject: how do I *re-enable* up2date to point to rawhide? In-Reply-To: <1066416911.4528.7.camel@blue.comcast.net> References: <200310171316.14666.elwoo@videotron.ca> <20031017173126.GB21569@redhat.com> <1066416911.4528.7.camel@blue.comcast.net> Message-ID: <200310171510.45470.elwoo@videotron.ca> On October 17, 2003 02:55 pm, Clifford Snow , > wrote: > On Fri, 2003-10-17 at 10:31, Dave Jones wrote: > > On Fri, Oct 17, 2003 at 01:16:14PM -0400, Elton Woo wrote: > > > Well, I made a serious boo-boo! <*sigh*>. I ran rhn_register... but > > > "demo" accounts no longer apply, and there is no longer a "beta" > > > channel. I've removed the system from rhn, but now when I run > > > up2date, it insists that I run rhn_register... > > > > I screwed up in exactly the same way last week. To fix it I > > edited /etc/sysconfig/rhn/sources and changed the only uncommented > > line to read.. > > > > yum rawhide http://ftp.redhat.com/pub/redhat/linux/rawhide/ > > I needed to make sure that the line "up2date default" was commented out > as well as adding the pointer to rawhide. Thank you! ... actually FYI, and for anyone else who might make the same mistake, running rhn_register had placed a "#" between "up2date default" and "yum". I've corrected this as shown below: ### type channel-label url up2date default yum fedora-$ARCH-os http://download.fedora.us/fedora/redhat/0.94/$ARCH/yum/os/ yum rawhide http://ftp.redhat.com/pub/redhat/linux/rawhide/ ### an local directory full of packages Now I'm being directed to rawhide again for updates. Elton ;-) -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From ms-nospam-0306 at arcor.de Fri Oct 17 19:15:45 2003 From: ms-nospam-0306 at arcor.de (Michael Schwendt) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 21:15:45 +0200 Subject: named service not listed in ntsysv In-Reply-To: <200310171353.13118.czar@czarc.net> References: <1066376342.5189.31.camel@marte.biciclete.ro> <20031017175912.4b3e2281.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de> <200310171353.13118.czar@czarc.net> Message-ID: <20031017211545.73f65687.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 13:53:13 -0400, Gene C. wrote: > > > named service it's not listed in ntsysv. > > > > > > # chkconfig --list named > > > service named supports chkconfig, but is not referenced in any runlevel > > > (run 'chkconfig --add named') > > > > Works for me. The post-install script runs "chkconfig --add named". > > > > $ rpm -q bind > > bind-9.2.2.P3-8 > > Now that is interesting. I have an everything install and took a look at > httpd and bind (named). Both have /sbin/chkconfig --add xxxx in the > postinstall script (although bind's is conditional and that may be the > problem). After the install, httpd had the entries and named did not. Did you do a new install or an upgrade? The postin script is conditional, so it is not executed upon upgrades. - -- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/kD/h0iMVcrivHFQRAntbAJ4lHnPv20WI+BoedcxCyPusWe1eDwCfe/D5 cjUmDX2o3pUuW9PZUeJjxV4= =EkJf -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From monty19 at hotmail.com Fri Oct 17 19:13:31 2003 From: monty19 at hotmail.com (Jason Montleon) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 15:13:31 -0400 Subject: Change Icon Spacing on Gnome Desktop Message-ID: Yes but then when I right click and choose "Clean Up by Name" it's gonna put a Parsec between each icon again. Ok, I might be exagerating; it's a few less than 3.08568025 ? 10^16 meters..... I guess what I am most looking for is the equivelant functionality of right clicking on a windows xp desktop (if you have one...), choosing the appearance tab, clicking advanced, choosing "Icon Spacing (Vertical)" from the Item Drop down and then setting the space between each icon (34 Pixels; it must be precisely 34 pixels under Windows XP @ 1024x768.) Then when I do "Arrange Icons by Name" it doesnt put a 1/2 Parsec between each icon. Sorry, I'm just super uptight and anal retentive about my desktop looking really neat (some would say barren.) Jason On October 17, 2003 12:53 pm, Jason Montleon , > wrote: > This is probably A) A really dumb question and B) A serious case of go RTFM > > But I am looking online and around in settings and I can find no way to > change the spacing of the desktop icons in Gnome. Is there a way? If so > how? AFAIK, you simply grab the icons with your mouse and move them into position. From p00mda at du.se Fri Oct 17 19:32:28 2003 From: p00mda at du.se (Mattias Dahlberg) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 21:32:28 +0200 (MEST) Subject: Change Icon Spacing on Gnome Desktop In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 17 Oct 2003, Jason Montleon wrote: > But I am looking online and around in settings and I can find no way to > change the spacing of the desktop icons in Gnome. Is there a way? http://lists.gnome.org/archives/nautilus-list/2003-October/msg00015.html Regards, Mattias From ted at cypress.com Fri Oct 17 19:42:48 2003 From: ted at cypress.com (Thomas Dodd) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 14:42:48 -0500 Subject: Openoffice postgresql integration In-Reply-To: <9810831.1066415698551.JavaMail.root@bigbird.psp.pas.earthlink.net> References: <9810831.1066415698551.JavaMail.root@bigbird.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3F904638.2010601@cypress.com> John Mizell wrote: > Is Redhat or anyone else working on a conduit for postgresql native > support in Open Office or do I need to request this? Check the DBA project at openoffice.org Especially this page -Thomas From tfox at redhat.com Fri Oct 17 19:43:16 2003 From: tfox at redhat.com (Tammy Fox) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 15:43:16 -0400 Subject: redhat-log-viewer does not work properly In-Reply-To: <3F801B50.2010504@zonnet.nl> References: <3F800BE6.7050303@zonnet.nl> <3F801B50.2010504@zonnet.nl> Message-ID: <20031017194316.GG6340@redhat.com> I tried it from the Main Menu, and it worked for me. Maybe your desktop file is corrupt. What does rpm -qV redhat-logviewer return? Tammy On Sun, Oct 05, 2003 at 03:23:28PM +0200, Jaap A. Haitsma wrote: > BTW I just discovered that it also works if I just launch from the > terminal without being root, but still not from the Main menu :-( > > > Jaap A. Haitsma wrote: > >Hi, > > > >When I start the redhat-log-viewer from the Applications menu (System > >Tools /Logviewer) I have to type in the root password and then nothing > >happens. However if I login as root in a terminal and then lauch it from > >the terminal it works. > > > >Any ideas? Anybody experiencing the same thing? > > > >Jaap > > > > > >-- > >fedora-test-list mailing list > >fedora-test-list at redhat.com > >http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > > > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list -- From pp at ee.oulu.fi Fri Oct 17 20:00:46 2003 From: pp at ee.oulu.fi (Pekka Pietikainen) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 23:00:46 +0300 Subject: AMD Athlon64 Systems =?iso-8859-15?Q?-?= =?iso-8859-15?Q?-_dual-940_boards_with_=3D=3Fiso-8859-15=3Fq=3FAGP+PCI-?= =?iso-8859-15?Q?X?= are still=20costly?= ... In-Reply-To: <200310171020.10775.jkeating@j2solutions.net> References: <3F8E121B.2020103@speakeasy.net> <3F8F78D9.1080602@togami.com> <20031017082810.GB26018@ee.oulu.fi> <200310171020.10775.jkeating@j2solutions.net> Message-ID: <20031017200046.GA12431@ee.oulu.fi> On Fri, Oct 17, 2003 at 10:20:10AM -0700, Jesse Keating wrote: > > I just tried to run this, but I can't get the .c file they include to > compile. Have you been able to get it to compile on a RHL9 system? gcc gexpr.c -o gexpr -lm does the trick for me. For getting the optimal assembly optimizations in gmp is a bit tricky btw. if you want to compare the difference. ./configure MPN_PATH="x86/k7 x86/p6 x86 generic" or some variation of it should do the trick (and setting CC to a 32-bit one I'd assume) For 64-bit you should be able to use one RH ships just fine. -- Pekka Pietikainen From jaap_haitsma at zonnet.nl Fri Oct 17 20:05:01 2003 From: jaap_haitsma at zonnet.nl (Jaap A. Haitsma) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 22:05:01 +0200 Subject: redhat-log-viewer does not work properly In-Reply-To: <20031017194316.GG6340@redhat.com> References: <3F800BE6.7050303@zonnet.nl> <3F801B50.2010504@zonnet.nl> <20031017194316.GG6340@redhat.com> Message-ID: <3F904B6D.3000103@zonnet.nl> Hi Tammy, The recent updates fixed it again somehow :-) Jaap Tammy Fox wrote: > I tried it from the Main Menu, and it worked for me. Maybe your > desktop file is corrupt. What does rpm -qV redhat-logviewer return? > > Tammy > > On Sun, Oct 05, 2003 at 03:23:28PM +0200, Jaap A. Haitsma wrote: > >>BTW I just discovered that it also works if I just launch from the >>terminal without being root, but still not from the Main menu :-( >> >> >>Jaap A. Haitsma wrote: >> >>>Hi, >>> >>>When I start the redhat-log-viewer from the Applications menu (System >>>Tools /Logviewer) I have to type in the root password and then nothing >>>happens. However if I login as root in a terminal and then lauch it from >>>the terminal it works. >>> >>>Any ideas? Anybody experiencing the same thing? >>> >>>Jaap >>> >>> >>>-- >>>fedora-test-list mailing list >>>fedora-test-list at redhat.com >>>http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list >>> >> >> >> >>-- >>fedora-test-list mailing list >>fedora-test-list at redhat.com >>http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > From elwoo at videotron.ca Fri Oct 17 20:16:55 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 16:16:55 -0400 Subject: "System Settings - Display" no longer functions Message-ID: <200310171616.55722.elwoo@videotron.ca> I've just installed the latest rawhide updates, and rebooted the system to verify that the newer kernel works. It does. version:kernel-2.4.22-1.2096.nptl As usual, I had to do: export CC=gcc32, and reinstall the nVidia drivers. Now when I run the display settings, it just "sits there"... selecting any changes, and "ok"... and nothing happens. Absolutely nothing. Looks like nVidia and XFree are really at odds with each other ...? version:redhat-config-xfree86-0.9.13-1 Anyone else observes this behavoir? Elton -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From notting at redhat.com Fri Oct 17 20:17:01 2003 From: notting at redhat.com (Bill Nottingham) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 16:17:01 -0400 Subject: AMD Athlon64 Systems In-Reply-To: <3F903115.8020109@cypress.com>; from ted@cypress.com on Fri, Oct 17, 2003 at 01:12:37PM -0500 References: <3F900950.8040407@cypress.com> <20031017105549.A26374@mail.harddata.com> <3F903115.8020109@cypress.com> Message-ID: <20031017161701.B27469@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Thomas Dodd (ted at cypress.com) said: > >>Does a 64bit mozilla even make sense right now? > > What do you mean? Mozilla recompiled for 64-bits on Alpha is a > > Only talking about x86 here. So woul a 64bit version orf mozilla to run > on the K8 be much of a gain? It might benefit from having more registers to use. Note that xptcall would need a AMD64 implementation if there isn't one already. Similarly, OpenOffice would need UNO code. Of course, with a 64-bit mozilla, you can't use any 32-bit plugins. Bill From bfox at redhat.com Fri Oct 17 20:23:50 2003 From: bfox at redhat.com (Brent Fox) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 16:23:50 -0400 Subject: redhat-log-viewer does not work properly In-Reply-To: <3F904B6D.3000103@zonnet.nl> References: <3F800BE6.7050303@zonnet.nl> <3F801B50.2010504@zonnet.nl> <20031017194316.GG6340@redhat.com> <3F904B6D.3000103@zonnet.nl> Message-ID: <1066422230.8784.14.camel@bfox.devel.redhat.com> On Fri, 2003-10-17 at 16:05, Jaap A. Haitsma wrote: > Hi Tammy, > > The recent updates fixed it again somehow :-) I doubt that. I think that it's a bug with the pam-panel-icon. If filed a bug on this today at https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=107404 Basically, if you run a program that requires root password from the command line, usermode caches the root password but the pam-panel-icon does not appear for some reason. The problem is that the pam-panel-icon process is still running, so it's not clear to the user that the root password has been cached. This isn't good from a security point of view. If you start the program from the menus, the pam-panel-icon will appear correctly. Cheers, Brent > > Jaap > > Tammy Fox wrote: > > I tried it from the Main Menu, and it worked for me. Maybe your > > desktop file is corrupt. What does rpm -qV redhat-logviewer return? > > > > Tammy > > > > On Sun, Oct 05, 2003 at 03:23:28PM +0200, Jaap A. Haitsma wrote: > > > >>BTW I just discovered that it also works if I just launch from the > >>terminal without being root, but still not from the Main menu :-( > >> > >> > >>Jaap A. Haitsma wrote: > >> > >>>Hi, > >>> > >>>When I start the redhat-log-viewer from the Applications menu (System > >>>Tools /Logviewer) I have to type in the root password and then nothing > >>>happens. However if I login as root in a terminal and then lauch it from > >>>the terminal it works. > >>> > >>>Any ideas? Anybody experiencing the same thing? > >>> > >>>Jaap > >>> > >>> > >>>-- > >>>fedora-test-list mailing list > >>>fedora-test-list at redhat.com > >>>http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >>-- > >>fedora-test-list mailing list > >>fedora-test-list at redhat.com > >>http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > > > > > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From tdiehl at rogueind.com Fri Oct 17 20:25:29 2003 From: tdiehl at rogueind.com (Tom Diehl) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 16:25:29 -0400 (EDT) Subject: update fedora severn - rawhide. In-Reply-To: <3F9000E7.8060204@nada.kth.se> Message-ID: On Fri, 17 Oct 2003, Jon Tegner wrote: > Severn - that is the same as the test3, right? > > So, if I set up a "yum-database" consisting of the "severn"-distribution > AND the RPMS from rawhide. Then, will "yum update" do what I want Yes!! > (update severn), or will I get "more" than I want? And if so, how should > one do it? What more would you want?? You get a fully updated system, which is what I think you want. -- ......Tom Registered Linux User #14522 http://counter.li.org tdiehl at rogueind.com My current SpamTrap -------> mtd123 at rogueind.com From jaap_haitsma at zonnet.nl Fri Oct 17 20:36:19 2003 From: jaap_haitsma at zonnet.nl (Jaap A. Haitsma) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 22:36:19 +0200 Subject: better warning for no GPG signature? In-Reply-To: <20031017063854.GA10472@popelka.ms.mff.cuni.cz> References: <1066332805.27393.20.camel@localhost.localdomain> <3F8EF44E.8020205@zonnet.nl> <1066333795.10124.15.camel@o7344-lnx.bic-bill.com> <3F8EF88A.6080101@zonnet.nl> <20031017063854.GA10472@popelka.ms.mff.cuni.cz> Message-ID: <3F9052C3.5010304@zonnet.nl> Miloslav Trmac wrote: > On Thu, Oct 16, 2003 at 09:59:06PM +0200, Jaap A. Haitsma wrote: > >>I know this but I just think it's far more user friendly if you can just >>normally launch it from the menu or the rhn applet > > It is wise to make unsecurity user-friendly? > Mirek > You've got a point, but I guess then there should not be a yes as well. Jaap From jkeating at j2solutions.net Fri Oct 17 20:45:03 2003 From: jkeating at j2solutions.net (Jesse Keating) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 13:45:03 -0700 Subject: AMD Athlon64 Systems -- dual-940 boards with =?iso-8859-15?q?=3D=3Fiso-8859-15=3Fq=3FAGP+PCI-X are still=3D20costly=3F?= =?iso-8859-15?q?=3D?= ... In-Reply-To: <20031017200046.GA12431@ee.oulu.fi> References: <3F8E121B.2020103@speakeasy.net> <200310171020.10775.jkeating@j2solutions.net> <20031017200046.GA12431@ee.oulu.fi> Message-ID: <200310171345.03533.jkeating@j2solutions.net> On Friday 17 October 2003 13:00, Pekka Pietikainen wrote: > gcc gexpr.c -o gexpr -lm > > does the trick for me. yeah, I forgot to link the math library. Silly me. -- Jesse Keating RHCE MCSE (geek.j2solutions.net) Fedora Legacy Team (www.fedora.us/wiki/FedoraLegacy) Mondo DevTeam (www.mondorescue.org) GPG Public Key (geek.j2solutions.net/jkeating.j2solutions.pub) Was I helpful? Let others know: http://svcs.affero.net/rm.php?r=jkeating -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: signature URL: From shrek-m at gmx.de Fri Oct 17 20:46:15 2003 From: shrek-m at gmx.de (shrek-m at gmx.de) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 22:46:15 +0200 Subject: crux-theme - mozilla-preferences In-Reply-To: <3F903686.5020707@redhat.com> References: <3F9024F9.3080301@gmx.de> <3F903686.5020707@redhat.com> Message-ID: <3F905517.6040900@gmx.de> Christopher Blizzard wrote: > shrek-m at gmx.de wrote: > >> when you have the crux-theme you can not see what are the actually >> settings in the mozilla-preferences in the buttons. > > That's probably because the crux theme still uses clear_window() which > makes mozilla's theme support break. oops, it is only in the classic theme the case, with the modern theme it is ok. -- shrek-m From elwoo at videotron.ca Fri Oct 17 20:48:28 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 16:48:28 -0400 Subject: xvoice error with Fedora Core Test3 Message-ID: <200310171648.28230.elwoo@videotron.ca> I've installed IBM's Voice_runtime-3.0-1.2.i386.rpm, and then the front-end xvoice-0.9.5-1.i386.rpm. However, an attempt to launch xvoice from a root console returns this error message: ]# xvoice xvoice: relocation error: /usr/lib/libvtbnfc31.so: symbol errno, version GLIBC_2.0 not defined in file libc.so.6 with link time reference How do I correct this? TIA, Elton ;-) -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From jaap_haitsma at zonnet.nl Fri Oct 17 20:48:54 2003 From: jaap_haitsma at zonnet.nl (Jaap A. Haitsma) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 22:48:54 +0200 Subject: redhat-log-viewer does not work properly In-Reply-To: <1066422230.8784.14.camel@bfox.devel.redhat.com> References: <3F800BE6.7050303@zonnet.nl> <3F801B50.2010504@zonnet.nl> <20031017194316.GG6340@redhat.com> <3F904B6D.3000103@zonnet.nl> <1066422230.8784.14.camel@bfox.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <3F9055B6.20408@zonnet.nl> Brent Fox wrote: > On Fri, 2003-10-17 at 16:05, Jaap A. Haitsma wrote: > >>Hi Tammy, >> >>The recent updates fixed it again somehow :-) > > > I doubt that. I think that it's a bug with the pam-panel-icon. If Just come over and watch it work. ;-) Cheers, Jaap BTW I understand there is an issue/bug with the caching of the root password From jakub at redhat.com Fri Oct 17 20:54:46 2003 From: jakub at redhat.com (Jakub Jelinek) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 16:54:46 -0400 Subject: xvoice error with Fedora Core Test3 In-Reply-To: <200310171648.28230.elwoo@videotron.ca>; from elwoo@videotron.ca on Fri, Oct 17, 2003 at 04:48:28PM -0400 References: <200310171648.28230.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <20031017165446.C2097@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Fri, Oct 17, 2003 at 04:48:28PM -0400, Elton Woo wrote: > I've installed IBM's Voice_runtime-3.0-1.2.i386.rpm, and then > the front-end xvoice-0.9.5-1.i386.rpm. However, an attempt > to launch xvoice from a root console returns this error message: > > ]# xvoice > xvoice: relocation error: /usr/lib/libvtbnfc31.so: symbol errno, version > GLIBC_2.0 not defined in file libc.so.6 with link time reference > > How do I correct this? Ask IBM to fix their stuff? In the mean time, you can try ]# LD_ASSUME_KERNEL=2.4.19 xvoice Jakub From blizzard at redhat.com Fri Oct 17 21:04:49 2003 From: blizzard at redhat.com (Christopher Blizzard) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 17:04:49 -0400 Subject: crux-theme - mozilla-preferences In-Reply-To: <3F905517.6040900@gmx.de> References: <3F9024F9.3080301@gmx.de> <3F903686.5020707@redhat.com> <3F905517.6040900@gmx.de> Message-ID: <3F905971.2070401@redhat.com> shrek-m at gmx.de wrote: > Christopher Blizzard wrote: >> That's probably because the crux theme still uses clear_window() which >> makes mozilla's theme support break. > > > > oops, > it is only in the classic theme the case, > with the modern theme it is ok. > > Yeah, the classic theme is the only one that uses hte "native" widgets. --Chris From shrek-m at gmx.de Fri Oct 17 21:16:24 2003 From: shrek-m at gmx.de (shrek-m at gmx.de) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 23:16:24 +0200 Subject: redhat-config-printer-gui - Drucke? (german) Message-ID: <3F905C28.7090509@gmx.de> hi, could it be that the translation for system-settings:/// redhat-config-printer-gui should be "Drucker"(printer) instead of "Drucke"(prints) ? -- shrek-m From elwoo at videotron.ca Fri Oct 17 21:32:57 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 17:32:57 -0400 Subject: xvoice error with Fedora Core Test3 In-Reply-To: <20031017165446.C2097@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <200310171648.28230.elwoo@videotron.ca> <20031017165446.C2097@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <200310171732.57526.elwoo@videotron.ca> On October 17, 2003 04:54 pm, Jakub Jelinek , > wrote: > On Fri, Oct 17, 2003 at 04:48:28PM -0400, Elton Woo wrote: > > I've installed IBM's Voice_runtime-3.0-1.2.i386.rpm, and then > > the front-end xvoice-0.9.5-1.i386.rpm. However, an attempt > > to launch xvoice from a root console returns this error message: > > > > ]# xvoice > > xvoice: relocation error: /usr/lib/libvtbnfc31.so: symbol errno, version > > GLIBC_2.0 not defined in file libc.so.6 with link time reference > > > > How do I correct this? > > Ask IBM to fix their stuff? Some wanderings on the Internet tells me that : 1) IBM is no longer developing / supporting ViaVoice for linux 2) Though it is/was possible to actually *buy* shrinkwrapped ViaVoice for Linux from IBM, all relevant links are either deeply hidden from sight, or expunged from IBM's sites. In short, it's probably still easier to find OS/2 aka eComStation, than it is to find IBM's Via Voice for Linux. > > In the mean time, you can try > ]# LD_ASSUME_KERNEL=2.4.19 xvoice > Trying this, I now get the following result: root]# LD_ASSUME_KERNEL=2.4.19 xvoice Environment not set. Looking for vvsetenv....found vvsetenv. Restarting with new environment. command line: . vvsetenv; exec xvoice Environment set. xvoice version 0.9.5 initVoice: Error calling SMAPI function: 214 4???T( @??@??@??@ initVoice: xtermxtermxtermError calling SMAPI function: 200 This probably means you did not run '. vvsetenv' prior to running xvoice. Do that and try again. If I do: root]# vvsetenv, *before* I run the LD_ASSUME command, I still get the same result: For a _very brief moment_ I see a couple of dialog windows pop up and disappear too quickly to even *read* anything on them, then the above error message shows. Elton -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From czar at czarc.net Fri Oct 17 21:55:40 2003 From: czar at czarc.net (Gene C.) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 17:55:40 -0400 Subject: named service not listed in ntsysv In-Reply-To: <20031017211545.73f65687.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de> References: <1066376342.5189.31.camel@marte.biciclete.ro> <200310171353.13118.czar@czarc.net> <20031017211545.73f65687.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de> Message-ID: <200310171755.40650.czar@czarc.net> On Friday 17 October 2003 15:15, Michael Schwendt wrote: > On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 13:53:13 -0400, Gene C. wrote: > > > > named service it's not listed in ntsysv. > > > > > > > > # chkconfig --list named > > > > service named supports chkconfig, but is not referenced in any > > > > runlevel (run 'chkconfig --add named') > > > > > > Works for me. The post-install script runs "chkconfig --add named". > > > > > > $ rpm -q bind > > > bind-9.2.2.P3-8 > > > > Now that is interesting. I have an everything install and took a look at > > httpd and bind (named). Both have /sbin/chkconfig --add xxxx in the > > postinstall script (although bind's is conditional and that may be the > > problem). After the install, httpd had the entries and named did not. > > Did you do a new install or an upgrade? The postin script is > conditional, so it is not executed upon upgrades. I always do fresh installs ... too much clutter doing upgrades. -- Gene From katzj at redhat.com Fri Oct 17 21:59:23 2003 From: katzj at redhat.com (Jeremy Katz) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 17:59:23 -0400 Subject: Install problem In-Reply-To: <1066400256.3117.3.camel@runabout.schmeg.net> References: <1066400256.3117.3.camel@runabout.schmeg.net> Message-ID: <1066427963.24347.21.camel@mirkwood.devel.redhat.com> On Fri, 2003-10-17 at 10:17, Bryan Halter wrote: > When I try to upgrade my Test2 system to Test3 I get a whole mess of > Python errors. I've tried this in both graphical and text modes. The > errors seem to appear when anaconda's getting the list of packages to > upgrade. Upgrades between betas^W, I mean, test releases aren't supported. That said, bug 106965 has a link to an updates.img with a fix for this. Jeremy From tehmiller at bellsouth.net Fri Oct 17 22:04:23 2003 From: tehmiller at bellsouth.net (Justin Miller) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 18:04:23 -0400 Subject: Change Icon Spacing on Gnome Desktop In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3F906767.3060207@bellsouth.net> Jason Montleon wrote: >Yes but then when I right click and choose "Clean Up by Name" it's gonna put >a Parsec between each icon again. Ok, I might be exagerating; it's a few >less than 3.08568025 ? 10^16 meters..... > >I guess what I am most looking for is the equivelant functionality of right >clicking on a windows xp desktop (if you have one...), choosing the >appearance tab, clicking advanced, choosing "Icon Spacing (Vertical)" from >the Item Drop down and then setting the space between each icon (34 Pixels; >it must be precisely 34 pixels under Windows XP @ 1024x768.) > >Then when I do "Arrange Icons by Name" it doesnt put a 1/2 Parsec between >each icon. > >Sorry, I'm just super uptight and anal retentive about my desktop looking >really neat (some would say barren.) > >Jason > > > >On October 17, 2003 12:53 pm, Jason Montleon , > wrote: > > >>This is probably A) A really dumb question and B) A serious case of go >> >> >RTFM > > >>But I am looking online and around in settings and I can find no way to >>change the spacing of the desktop icons in Gnome. Is there a way? If so >>how? >> >> > >AFAIK, you simply grab the icons with your mouse and move them >into position. > > >-- >fedora-test-list mailing list >fedora-test-list at redhat.com >http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > > I believe that there is no on-the-fly setting for these. When I upgraded to Gnome 2.4, I couldn't find a way to shrink the giant spacing between icons. Some of us like having the ability to more precisely arrage our icons, but still have them aligned. I'll gladly exchange the "right-click > Clean up" functionality to have this much greater degree of controll. It was horrid on standard 2.4, especially if you enlarged certain icons (as I do with 4 of my main folders) and some regular sized icons, because the spacing was either a proverbial grand canyon, or right on top of each other. From ramoutar at rogers.com Fri Oct 17 22:11:17 2003 From: ramoutar at rogers.com (Trevor Ramoutar) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 18:11:17 -0400 Subject: Network card problem Message-ID: <000701c394fb$96770330$6401a8c0@8j8h5dc15dlxcci> Hi All, I just install Fedora Test 3 and have encountered my first problem. Fedora detected my Ethernet card as a "3c900 10BaseT[Boomerang]" card. I also made sure that it was obtaining IP stuff through DHCP. So far so good, this has worked in every other distro I've tried. Problem here is that on boot, my eth service doesn't start up. If I manually enter in my network info (IP address, subnet, etc.), then the service starts on boot, but I still can't connect to the Net. Does anyone know what I'm doing wrong? Thanks. From jaap_haitsma at zonnet.nl Fri Oct 17 22:33:50 2003 From: jaap_haitsma at zonnet.nl (Jaap A. Haitsma) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 00:33:50 +0200 Subject: Network card problem In-Reply-To: <000701c394fb$96770330$6401a8c0@8j8h5dc15dlxcci> References: <000701c394fb$96770330$6401a8c0@8j8h5dc15dlxcci> Message-ID: <3F906E4E.6050407@zonnet.nl> Hi, Does not sound too bad what you have been doing, but in order to analyze what's wrong can you send the output when you run ifconfig and maybe also your /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0 file (assuming your network interface card is configured as eth0) Jaap Trevor Ramoutar wrote: > Hi All, > > I just install Fedora Test 3 and have encountered my first problem. > > Fedora detected my Ethernet card as a "3c900 10BaseT[Boomerang]" card. > I also made sure that it was obtaining IP stuff through DHCP. > > So far so good, this has worked in every other distro I've tried. > > Problem here is that on boot, my eth service doesn't start up. If I > manually enter in my network info (IP address, subnet, etc.), then the > service starts on boot, but I still can't connect to the Net. > > Does anyone know what I'm doing wrong? > > Thanks. > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > From bpmckie at sbcglobal.net Fri Oct 17 22:40:45 2003 From: bpmckie at sbcglobal.net (Brian Mckie) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 15:40:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: HOWTO enable mp3 Re: mp3 support In-Reply-To: <200310171406.39907.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <20031017224045.14708.qmail@web80510.mail.yahoo.com> Thanks for all the responses. Xmms is working again and I am a happy camper. Thanks, Brian --- Elton Woo wrote: > On October 17, 2003 12:16 pm, Brian McKie , McKie > > wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > Does anyone know how to get xmms to play mp3 > files? I know you used to > > be bale to install and mp3 rpm for xmms, but I > cant find one for 1.2.8. > > ... from my notes: > > MP3 SUPPORT in Red Hat 9 (also valid for Severn > Test1, and Fedora Core): > from: > http://www.mpg123.de/cgi-bin/sitexplorer.cgi?/mpg123/precompiled/ > download and install: > mpg123-0.59q-1.i386.rpm OR > mpg123-0.59q.3dnow-1.i386.rpm > > To re-enable XMMS MP3 support in Red Hat Linux, you > can simply > install the xmms-mp3-1.2.7-13.p.i386.rpm file. > http://www.gurulabs.com/downloads.html > > It provides the two files: > root]#/usr/lib/xmms/Input/libmpg123.la > root]#/usr/lib/xmms/Input/libmpg123.so > > For Red Hat Linux 9, installing the following RPMs > provides > an MP3-capable version of XMMS. > > [License: GPL] > xmms-1.2.7-22.i386.rpm > xmms-devel-1.2.7-22.i386.rpm > xmms-mp3-1.2.7-22.i386.rpm > xmms-skins-1.2.7-22.i386.rpm > xmms-1.2.7-22.src.rpm > > > MP3 to WAV conversion: > root]#mpg123 -w myfile.wav myfile.mp3. > > I highly recommend getting xine and gxine from > http://freshrpms.net/, and the various codecs. > You will then be able to play mp3 and qt files. > > HTH & cheers, > > Elton ;-) > -- > http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html > "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each > other." > LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. > > > > > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From mike at netlyncs.com Fri Oct 17 22:41:52 2003 From: mike at netlyncs.com (Mike Chambers) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 17:41:52 -0500 Subject: "System Settings - Display" no longer functions In-Reply-To: <200310171616.55722.elwoo@videotron.ca> References: <200310171616.55722.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <1066430511.10124.6.camel@bart.netlyncs.com> On Fri, 2003-10-17 at 15:16, Elton Woo wrote: > Now when I run the display settings, it just "sits there"... selecting > any changes, and "ok"... and nothing happens. Absolutely nothing. > Looks like nVidia and XFree are really at odds with each other ...? Already known or being experienced... Bug #106501 -- Mike Chambers Madisonville, KY "Can you hear me now?....GOOD!" From cantisan at bol.com.br Fri Oct 17 22:41:49 2003 From: cantisan at bol.com.br (gsc) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 19:41:49 -0300 Subject: Mozilla 1.5 Message-ID: <3F90702D.6050301@bol.com.br> Will be enclosed the Mozilla 1.5 in the fedora final version ? ps- Why do not include Java Virtual Machine, Xine e etc ? From louisg00 at bellsouth.net Fri Oct 17 23:25:46 2003 From: louisg00 at bellsouth.net (Louis Garcia) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 19:25:46 -0400 Subject: kernel-2.6 and radeon drm segfault Message-ID: <1066433145.3231.1.camel@tiger> glxinfo and glxgears segfault on me with latest 2.6 kernel. Anyone else seeing this? --Lou From jgeorgeson at lopht.net Fri Oct 17 23:23:18 2003 From: jgeorgeson at lopht.net (Justin Georgeson) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 18:23:18 -0500 Subject: Mozilla 1.5 In-Reply-To: <3F90702D.6050301@bol.com.br> References: <3F90702D.6050301@bol.com.br> Message-ID: <3F9079E6.2030507@lopht.net> gsc wrote: > > Will be enclosed the Mozilla 1.5 in the fedora final version ? sounded like no last time someone asked > ps- Why do not include Java Virtual Machine, Xine e etc ? > redisitriution licensing, patent incompatiblities with GPL, etc. From ByteEnable at austin.rr.com Fri Oct 17 23:53:22 2003 From: ByteEnable at austin.rr.com (ByteEnable) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 18:53:22 -0500 Subject: Xfree GL still does not coexist with the nVidia drivers In-Reply-To: References: <200310161642.32985.elwoo@videotron.ca> <1066386911.31021.47.camel@cognac.stuttgart.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1066434802.3762.4.camel@ByteEnable> On Fri, 2003-10-17 at 08:25, Mike A. Harris wrote: > On Fri, 17 Oct 2003, Nils Philippsen wrote: > > >> XFree86-Mesa-libGL had to be removed using the --nodeps flag. > >> Before installing the nVidia drivers with Fedora Core Test 3, the > >> GL screensavers ran with no problems, but I had to install the > >> dirvers to counteract the jittery mouse pointer in TuxRacer. > >> Then, to re-enable the GL screen-savers, I had to remove XFree GL > >> > >> version: XFree86-4.3.0-40 > > > >My (completely uninformed) opinion on this is that it's a packaging bug > >on Nvidia's behalf -- they should put their libraries into e.g. > >/usr/local/lib/nvidia and list this path in /etc/ld.so.conf instead of > >overwriting the installed libraries. > > Whatever path is found first is what I believe ld.so uses. > Another option would be for them to put it in a different path > and use LD_PRELOAD in a shell script perhaps, and also put their > X modules in a different path, and use ModulePath in the X server > config file. > > The LD_PRELOAD is not necessarily the cleanest possible solution, > but it is an alternative at least. People are free to suggest > other solutions. > Is there an official channel at RedHat to contact Nvidia through? I'm just wondering if they are doing these install's because they dont know better and need education or they have found other issue's that force them to install the way they do. Byte From hoyt at cavtel.net Sat Oct 18 00:33:58 2003 From: hoyt at cavtel.net (HoytDuff) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 20:33:58 -0400 Subject: Install only offers ext2/3? In-Reply-To: <1066306352.10028.0.camel@pc-32.office.scali.no> References: <200310160804.37026.nbecker@hns.com> <1066306352.10028.0.camel@pc-32.office.scali.no> Message-ID: <200310172033.58055.hoyt@cavtel.net> On Thursday 16 October 2003 08:12 am, Trond Eivind Glomsr?d wrote: > linux jfs > > linux reiserfs > > will enable those during install. Re-enabled? 8) -- Hoyt From hoyt at cavtel.net Sat Oct 18 00:45:54 2003 From: hoyt at cavtel.net (HoytDuff) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 20:45:54 -0400 Subject: Question about dual-booting two versions of RedHat In-Reply-To: <200310162252.27214.ag.tex@tiscali.it> References: <20031016195456.45258.qmail@web11008.mail.yahoo.com> <200310162252.27214.ag.tex@tiscali.it> Message-ID: <200310172045.54377.hoyt@cavtel.net> On Thursday 16 October 2003 04:52 pm, ags3 wrote: > i make an dedicated user for each os i have installed You can make all of your alter egos members of the same group and chgroup all the /home directories to it. -- Hoyt From nosp at xades.com Sat Oct 18 01:24:46 2003 From: nosp at xades.com (nosp) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 02:24:46 +0100 Subject: gaim thrashing box after about 1hr? In-Reply-To: <1066260419.13564.13.camel@earth.xades.com> References: <1066140460.2022.28.camel@earth.xades.com> <3F8C13B3.7060107@redhat.com> <1066145655.2022.37.camel@earth.xades.com> <3F8C2FEF.9080906@redhat.com> <1066175987.8673.1.camel@earth.xades.com> <3F8D7035.1020902@redhat.com> <1066260419.13564.13.camel@earth.xades.com> Message-ID: <1066440286.1593.64.camel@earth.xades.com> On Thu, 2003-10-16 at 00:26, nosp wrote: > On Wed, 2003-10-15 at 17:05, Christopher Blizzard wrote: > > Need to find out what's causing it. Do you know how to attach a > > debugger to a process? > > Certainly. I'll get a backtrace for you and let me know what else can > be of help. The threat of you looking at a backtrace seems to have been enough to banish the behavior -- haven't seen it since. Thanks for your assistance :). From stephen at skmoore.com Sat Oct 18 01:36:19 2003 From: stephen at skmoore.com (Stephen Moore) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 11:36:19 +1000 Subject: matrox usb drive unusable with usb 1.1 Message-ID: <3F909913.6070706@skmoore.com> I have a matrox 80 gig usb drive that is not usable with FC ( or any previous redhat release). The drive "works", that is it is mountable and you can copy files to and from it. It works reasonably well with usb2. But with usb 1.1 As soon as you try to copy large files to it, the computer just goes awol. it starts copying then the mouse gets jerky and eventually disappears. I tried it again this morning and eventually pressed the power button. I believe it was still copying the file (and I don't really care if it takes a long time), but the computer was not usable (no mouse) The computer was not frozen, as it used the apci shutdown button and it shut down gracefully (eventually) -- ??? From nbirchler at earthlink.net Sat Oct 18 01:49:27 2003 From: nbirchler at earthlink.net (Neil Birchler) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 20:49:27 -0500 Subject: matrox usb drive unusable with usb 1.1 In-Reply-To: <3F909913.6070706@skmoore.com> References: <3F909913.6070706@skmoore.com> Message-ID: <1066441767.7909.0.camel@tower.steins.net> > But with usb 1.1 what motherboard chipset? From ramoutar at rogers.com Sat Oct 18 04:37:09 2003 From: ramoutar at rogers.com (Trevor Ramoutar) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 00:37:09 -0400 Subject: Network card problem In-Reply-To: <3F906E4E.6050407@zonnet.nl> Message-ID: <000001c39531$7ed28d90$6401a8c0@8j8h5dc15dlxcci> No problemo. Here's the output of ifconfig: eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:60:08:CE:ED:A0 UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:1 carrier:1 collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000 RX bytes:0 (0.0 b) TX bytes:0 (0.0 b) Interrupt:11 Base address:0xdc00 lo Link encap:Local Loopback inet addr:127.0.0.1 Mask:255.0.0.0 UP LOOPBACK RUNNING MTU:16436 Metric:1 RX packets:774 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:774 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:0 RX bytes:390002 (380.8 Kb) TX bytes:390002 (380.8 Kb) Here's the contents of ifcfg-eth0: # Please read /usr/share/doc/initscripts-*/sysconfig.txt # for the documentation of these parameters. ONBOOT=yes USERCTL=no PEERDNS=yes TYPE=Ethernet DEVICE=eth0 HWADDR=00:60:08:ce:ed:a0 BOOTPROTO=dhcp I'm hoping that this makes more sense to you than it does to me... -----Original Message----- From: fedora-test-list-admin at redhat.com [mailto:fedora-test-list-admin at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Jaap A. Haitsma Sent: October 17, 2003 6:34 PM To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com Subject: Re: Network card problem Hi, Does not sound too bad what you have been doing, but in order to analyze what's wrong can you send the output when you run ifconfig and maybe also your /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0 file (assuming your network interface card is configured as eth0) Jaap Trevor Ramoutar wrote: > Hi All, > > I just install Fedora Test 3 and have encountered my first problem. > > Fedora detected my Ethernet card as a "3c900 10BaseT[Boomerang]" card. > I also made sure that it was obtaining IP stuff through DHCP. > > So far so good, this has worked in every other distro I've tried. > > Problem here is that on boot, my eth service doesn't start up. If I > manually enter in my network info (IP address, subnet, etc.), then the > service starts on boot, but I still can't connect to the Net. > > Does anyone know what I'm doing wrong? > > Thanks. > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > -- fedora-test-list mailing list fedora-test-list at redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From cochranb at speakeasy.net Sat Oct 18 05:09:23 2003 From: cochranb at speakeasy.net (Robert L Cochran) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 01:09:23 -0400 Subject: Network card problem In-Reply-To: <000001c39531$7ed28d90$6401a8c0@8j8h5dc15dlxcci> References: <000001c39531$7ed28d90$6401a8c0@8j8h5dc15dlxcci> Message-ID: <3F90CB03.4050500@speakeasy.net> Looks like eth0 isn't getting an IP address from the dhcp server. Are you sure your DHCP server is up and running? Are other clients able to get IP addresses from it? Bob Trevor Ramoutar wrote: > No problemo. > > Here's the output of ifconfig: > > eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:60:08:CE:ED:A0 > UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 > RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 > TX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:1 carrier:1 > collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000 > RX bytes:0 (0.0 b) TX bytes:0 (0.0 b) > Interrupt:11 Base address:0xdc00 > > lo Link encap:Local Loopback > inet addr:127.0.0.1 Mask:255.0.0.0 > UP LOOPBACK RUNNING MTU:16436 Metric:1 > RX packets:774 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 > TX packets:774 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 > collisions:0 txqueuelen:0 > RX bytes:390002 (380.8 Kb) TX bytes:390002 (380.8 Kb) > > Here's the contents of ifcfg-eth0: > > # Please read /usr/share/doc/initscripts-*/sysconfig.txt > # for the documentation of these parameters. > ONBOOT=yes > USERCTL=no > PEERDNS=yes > TYPE=Ethernet > DEVICE=eth0 > HWADDR=00:60:08:ce:ed:a0 > BOOTPROTO=dhcp > > I'm hoping that this makes more sense to you than it does to me... > > -----Original Message----- > From: fedora-test-list-admin at redhat.com > [mailto:fedora-test-list-admin at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Jaap A. Haitsma > Sent: October 17, 2003 6:34 PM > To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com > Subject: Re: Network card problem > > Hi, > > Does not sound too bad what you have been doing, but in order to analyze > > what's wrong can you send the output when you run ifconfig > and maybe also your /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0 file > (assuming your network interface card is configured as eth0) > > Jaap > > > > Trevor Ramoutar wrote: > >>Hi All, >> >>I just install Fedora Test 3 and have encountered my first problem. >> >>Fedora detected my Ethernet card as a "3c900 10BaseT[Boomerang]" card. >>I also made sure that it was obtaining IP stuff through DHCP. >> >>So far so good, this has worked in every other distro I've tried. >> >>Problem here is that on boot, my eth service doesn't start up. If I >>manually enter in my network info (IP address, subnet, etc.), then the >>service starts on boot, but I still can't connect to the Net. >> >>Does anyone know what I'm doing wrong? >> >>Thanks. >> >> >>-- >>fedora-test-list mailing list >>fedora-test-list at redhat.com >>http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list >> > > > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > -- Bob Cochran Greenbelt, Maryland, USA http://greenbeltcomputer.biz/ From stephen at skmoore.com Sat Oct 18 05:35:49 2003 From: stephen at skmoore.com (Stephen Moore) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 15:35:49 +1000 Subject: matrox usb drive unusable with usb 1.1 In-Reply-To: <1066441767.7909.0.camel@tower.steins.net> References: <3F909913.6070706@skmoore.com> <1066441767.7909.0.camel@tower.steins.net> Message-ID: <3F90D135.601@skmoore.com> 00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corp. 82845 845 (Brookdale) Chipset Host Bridge (rev 04) But to be truthfull, i have done this on different computers and it just doesn't work well. I experimated and copied a 1.8gig file using nautilus ( and it trashed the gui) but it did finish eventually. My gui was trashed, the mouse would move but I couldnt get any right click menus, or ctl alt backspace. Again the apci power button was my freind. I took a screenshot while coping the file. The gui was unresponsive at this stage, windows would not change focus, couldn't type. I pressed the PrintScreen button and eventually it actually took a screenshot. http://www.skmoore.com/Screenshot.png Neil Birchler wrote: >>But with usb 1.1 >> >> > >what motherboard chipset? > > >-- >fedora-test-list mailing list >fedora-test-list at redhat.com >http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > -- ??? From dnrlinux at san.rr.com Sat Oct 18 07:11:57 2003 From: dnrlinux at san.rr.com (Don Russell) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 00:11:57 -0700 Subject: hardware or software problem? (fct3) Message-ID: <005c01c39547$1e2f0340$030a0a0a@NATASHA> I installed a second hard disk for Fedora, and though I got through the first part of the install, "something's terribly wrong"... :-( As the system was shutting down I got a screenful of messages saying rpmdb error (I forget the exact text) When it boots up for "first boot", it doesn't go into the graphical boot.... and after all the "starting...[OK]" messages a message: INIT: Id "x" respawning too fast: disabled for 5 minutes The second hard disk is "slave" with the cdrom is "master. The other hard disk is master on the primary channel The machine bios recognizes the new hard disk.... Have I done anything obviously stupid/silly? Should both hard disks be on the same channel and leave the cd by itself? Also, one error during install... I tried to create a boot diskette, but it got an error when trying to write to the disk.... I tried two different diskettes, then proceeded without a boot diskette. Any ideas? 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If someone made an NVIDIA >driver RPM for fedora, at least there would be a few less problems with >blowing files away... (Of course.. I say this, using my radeon card with >the X supplied drivers just fine...). As long as Nvidia makes packaging which blows away files, then users will use those files and have a screwed up OS. Of course, users are free to package up whatever they like if they choose, including Nvidia's drivers, but that doesn't stop the problem at all. I would wager big money that the majority of users will always go directly to Nvidia, and so the problem will continue to exist. -- Mike A. Harris ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris OS Systems Engineer - XFree86 maintainer - Red Hat From 1midniterider at comcast.net Sat Oct 18 08:22:35 2003 From: 1midniterider at comcast.net (Marcus White) Date: 18 Oct 2003 04:22:35 -0400 Subject: FC1 Beta 3: missing OpenLDAP update rpm's Message-ID: <1066465355.2981.233.camel@tbird> G'day, During today's up2date run for FC Beta 3, openldap and openldap-servers version 2.1.22-7 were included. However, the corresponding openldap-clients and openldap-devel were missing. I'm setup to update from the rawhide channel. Anyone else notice this problem? -- Marcus White <1midniterider at comcast.net> From mharris at redhat.com Sat Oct 18 08:26:27 2003 From: mharris at redhat.com (Mike A. Harris) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 04:26:27 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Xfree GL still does not coexist with the nVidia drivers In-Reply-To: <200310171320.06015.elwoo@videotron.ca> References: <200310161642.32985.elwoo@videotron.ca> <200310171320.06015.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: On Fri, 17 Oct 2003, Elton Woo wrote: >> Unless someone can genius up an acceptable and reasonable >> solution which doesn't have high implementation or package >> maintenance costs, then the existing solution will more or less >> remain. >> >> Nvidia doesn't seem to even care, as they just blow away random >> rpm installed files on a whim anyway. Perhaps I should have rpm >> postinstall scripts mark the files immutable or something. >... if you think this would do it ... > >I'm starting to wonder if my next video card upgrade should be >an ATI or Matrox instead. Both are made in Canada, and Matrox >is in Montreal West. ATI is going to shift in the future to use the standard Linux kernel AGPgart most likely, and also use the standard Mesa libGL that comes with XFree86. They shipped their own agpgart in the past because there were fixes needed for certain chipsets out there, etc. which while they may or may not have been in the mainstream Linus kernels, weren't always in every distributions currently supported kernels. By shipping their own agpgart they ensured that it was what they expected. Current agpgart in the Linux kernel is pretty updated now, plus distributions are more likely than not, going to compile agpgart non-modularly for technical reasons, which has the side effect of not allowing a 3rd party agpgart without complete kernel recompilation. It's beneficial to everyone all around if there is one single agpgart implementation however, and ATI seems to be interested in going down this road in the future which is a good thing. For the libGL, ATI has used Mesa libGL, but with their own DRI 3D driver. They modified libGL to add functionality not present in Mesa libGL at the time, however I've been told that the current Mesa 5.0 code seems to have the necessary functionality more or less, so it's likely in the future the ATI binary drivers will use more and more open source components and the binary portion will be less separate components to have to deal with. It'll more or less result in a single XFree86 2D module, 3D DRI module, and a kernel module. Hope this helps. -- Mike A. Harris ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris OS Systems Engineer - XFree86 maintainer - Red Hat From warren at togami.com Sat Oct 18 08:31:38 2003 From: warren at togami.com (Warren Togami) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 22:31:38 -1000 Subject: AMD Athlon64 Systems In-Reply-To: <20031017161701.B27469@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <3F900950.8040407@cypress.com> <20031017105549.A26374@mail.harddata.com> <3F903115.8020109@cypress.com> <20031017161701.B27469@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <3F90FA6A.5030105@togami.com> Bill Nottingham wrote: > It might benefit from having more registers to use. Note > that xptcall would need a AMD64 implementation if there isn't > one already. Similarly, OpenOffice would need UNO code. > > Of course, with a 64-bit mozilla, you can't use any 32-bit > plugins. > > Bill Because it is unlikely that many companies will ship and support native AMD64 plugins, how feasible would it be to write a thunking layer for running 32bit plugins in the 64bit browser? Warren From jbarrios at linuxparatodos.net Sat Oct 18 08:35:40 2003 From: jbarrios at linuxparatodos.net (Joel Barrios) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 03:35:40 -0500 Subject: gdmflexiserver (with '-n' option) kills X session Message-ID: <1066466140.21783.61.camel@linux.linuxparatodos.com.mx> Software used: Fedora Core 0.95 gdm-2.4.4.3-7 XFree86-4.3.0-40 nvidia_drv from NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-4496 nv_drv driver from XFree86-4.3.0-40 Kernel used: 2.4.22-1.2088.nptl 2.4.22-1.2096.nptl 2.4.20-20.9 Hardware: nVidia Corporation NV18 [GeForce4 MX 440 AGP 8x] (rev a2) nVidia Corporation NV11 [GeForce2 MX/MX 400] (rev a1) nVidia Corporation NV5M64 [RIVA TNT2 Model 64/Model 64 Pro] (rev 15) Description: gdmflexiserver -n :1 gdmflexiserver -n While trying to start gdmflexiserver into a nested window with '-n' option, it killed X session. Xnest works ok, so it seems to be a gdm problem. Tested on three machines, with several theme gdmgreeter/gdmlogin combinations with same results (BTW, gdmsetup does not run from gdmgreeter/gdmlogin). No debug info available [at least that could be found], except for some stuff in /var/log/messages: Oct 18 02:22:05 linux gdm[21208]: GDM file gdm.c: line 2849 (N/A): Cannot run setegid to 42 Oct 18 02:22:05 linux gdm(pam_unix)[21263]: session closed for user my-user-name Those two lines were logged each time I tested 'gdmflexiserver -n :1' -- Joel Barrios From stfn at gmx.net Sat Oct 18 09:28:57 2003 From: stfn at gmx.net (Stefan Hoelldampf) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 11:28:57 +0200 Subject: Problems with German translation Message-ID: <3F9107D9.6020800@gmx.net> Hi, I have to use de_DE at euro (ISO 8859-15) instead of de_DE.UTF-8 (UTF-8). (I have changed LANG in /etc/sysconfig/i18n.) Using the rhgb and clicking on Show Details, "?berpr?fung auf neue Hardware" (Checking for new hardware) is displayed correctly. If I disable the graphical boot, "?berpr?fung auf neue Hardware" and "Standardm??ige Tastaturbelegung laden" (Loading default keyboard layout, correct translation: "Standardm??ige") is shown. At first I thought it could be a general problem with the console, but if I go to runlevel 1 and then back to runlevel 5, "?berpr?fung auf neue Hardware" is correctly shown at the console. King Regards, Stefan From mharris at redhat.com Sat Oct 18 09:37:19 2003 From: mharris at redhat.com (Mike A. Harris) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 05:37:19 -0400 (EDT) Subject: AMD Athlon64 Systems -- dual-940 boards with AGP+PCI-X are still costly ... In-Reply-To: <3F8F78D9.1080602@togami.com> References: <3F8E121B.2020103@speakeasy.net> <1066278620.1140.127.camel@bitman.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> <1066278706.23014.11.camel@binkley> <1066281714.1140.132.camel@bitman.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> <1066282635.23014.23.camel@binkley> <3F8E603F.1020106@reuel.net> <3F8E6AB7.1070900@togami.com> <1066308076.9735.4.camel@earth.xades.com> <3F8F78D9.1080602@togami.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 16 Oct 2003, Warren Togami wrote: >> kernel compile? > >I think a kernel compile would be a useless comparison because you would >be using completely different compilers to make two kernels for >different archs. That is not very representative of anything. Using the 64bit compiler, compile XFree86 for 64bit, and again for 32bit with gcc -m32. Then compile XFree86 again under the 32bit OS separately using gcc 32bit. I recommend disabling font and documentation generation to get more accurate results. For those that don't go through with it, the results of a 32bit compile vs a 64bit compile are pretty great. ;o) I don't know the results for a 32bit compile using 64bit gcc under 64bit OS are though. Nor what using 32bit compile with 32bit gcc under 64bit OS are. -- Mike A. Harris ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris OS Systems Engineer - XFree86 maintainer - Red Hat From mharris at redhat.com Sat Oct 18 09:41:46 2003 From: mharris at redhat.com (Mike A. Harris) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 05:41:46 -0400 (EDT) Subject: AMD Athlon64 Systems In-Reply-To: References: <3F900950.8040407@cypress.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 17 Oct 2003, Chris Ricker wrote: >> Does a 64bit mozilla even make sense right now? >> I'd think just using the 32bit version would be fine. And no issues with >> plugins. > >yep -- for most apps, going 64-bit is pointless Depends on the specific CPU architecture. For AMD64, 64bit means that you also get a slew of additional registers for gcc to use for optimization for free. In my experience 64bit applications have a definite benefit over 32bit on AMD64, the exception being apps that are highly disk or network bound (I/O bound), which don't benefit much. >> What is the 32/64 bit split in Sparc linux distros? PowerPC distros? > >Aurora is 64-bit kernel, 32-bit userspace on UltraSparc AMD64 architecture provides more benefits to general 64bit apps than broken 64bit sparc processors do. ;o) -- Mike A. Harris ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris OS Systems Engineer - XFree86 maintainer - Red Hat From wx2k-hrn at asahi-net.or.jp Sat Oct 18 10:09:40 2003 From: wx2k-hrn at asahi-net.or.jp (Hirano Kazunari) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 19:09:40 +0900 Subject: can make the red hat icon replaceable ? Message-ID: <3F911164.1070909@asahi-net.or.jp> Hi, Let me say something about the red hat icon, leftmost icon on the panel. Is it possible to make it replaceable? Sometimes I want to see another icon for it. If we can see its properties menu when right-clicking it and change the icon, it will be fine for me. Thanks khirano From jaap_haitsma at zonnet.nl Sat Oct 18 10:33:50 2003 From: jaap_haitsma at zonnet.nl (Jaap A. Haitsma) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 12:33:50 +0200 Subject: Network card problem In-Reply-To: <3F90CB03.4050500@speakeasy.net> References: <000001c39531$7ed28d90$6401a8c0@8j8h5dc15dlxcci> <3F90CB03.4050500@speakeasy.net> Message-ID: <3F91170E.40306@zonnet.nl> Hi Trevor, I think like Robert also it's something related to the DHCP server. You can try to get eth0 up manually by typing "ifup eth0" It then should say something like "Determining IP information for eth0..." and then a message if it went OK or not. Your ifcfg-eth0 seems OK Jaap Robert L Cochran wrote: > Looks like eth0 isn't getting an IP address from the dhcp server. Are > you sure your DHCP server is up and running? Are other clients able to > get IP addresses from it? > > Bob > > > Trevor Ramoutar wrote: > >> No problemo. >> >> Here's the output of ifconfig: >> >> eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:60:08:CE:ED:A0 UP >> BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 >> RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 >> TX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:1 carrier:1 >> collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000 RX bytes:0 (0.0 b) >> TX bytes:0 (0.0 b) >> Interrupt:11 Base address:0xdc00 >> lo Link encap:Local Loopback inet addr:127.0.0.1 >> Mask:255.0.0.0 >> UP LOOPBACK RUNNING MTU:16436 Metric:1 >> RX packets:774 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 >> TX packets:774 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 >> collisions:0 txqueuelen:0 RX bytes:390002 (380.8 >> Kb) TX bytes:390002 (380.8 Kb) >> >> Here's the contents of ifcfg-eth0: >> >> # Please read /usr/share/doc/initscripts-*/sysconfig.txt >> # for the documentation of these parameters. >> ONBOOT=yes >> USERCTL=no >> PEERDNS=yes >> TYPE=Ethernet >> DEVICE=eth0 >> HWADDR=00:60:08:ce:ed:a0 >> BOOTPROTO=dhcp >> >> I'm hoping that this makes more sense to you than it does to me... >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: fedora-test-list-admin at redhat.com >> [mailto:fedora-test-list-admin at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Jaap A. Haitsma >> Sent: October 17, 2003 6:34 PM >> To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com >> Subject: Re: Network card problem >> >> Hi, >> >> Does not sound too bad what you have been doing, but in order to analyze >> >> what's wrong can you send the output when you run ifconfig >> and maybe also your /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0 file >> (assuming your network interface card is configured as eth0) >> >> Jaap >> >> >> >> Trevor Ramoutar wrote: >> >>> Hi All, >>> >>> I just install Fedora Test 3 and have encountered my first problem. >>> >>> Fedora detected my Ethernet card as a "3c900 10BaseT[Boomerang]" card. >>> I also made sure that it was obtaining IP stuff through DHCP. >>> >>> So far so good, this has worked in every other distro I've tried. >>> >>> Problem here is that on boot, my eth service doesn't start up. If I >>> manually enter in my network info (IP address, subnet, etc.), then the >>> service starts on boot, but I still can't connect to the Net. >>> >>> Does anyone know what I'm doing wrong? >>> >>> Thanks. >>> >>> >>> -- From shrek-m at gmx.de Sat Oct 18 11:00:17 2003 From: shrek-m at gmx.de (shrek-m at gmx.de) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 13:00:17 +0200 Subject: Problems with German translation In-Reply-To: <3F9107D9.6020800@gmx.net> References: <3F9107D9.6020800@gmx.net> Message-ID: <3F911D41.4080904@gmx.de> Stefan Hoelldampf wrote: >I have to use de_DE at euro (ISO 8859-15) instead of de_DE.UTF-8 (UTF-8). >(I have changed LANG in /etc/sysconfig/i18n.) > > why? >Using the rhgb and clicking on Show Details, "?berpr?fung auf neue >Hardware" (Checking for new hardware) is displayed correctly. >If I disable the graphical boot, >"?berpr?fung auf neue Hardware" and "Standardm??ige Tastaturbelegung laden" >(Loading default keyboard layout, correct translation: "Standardm??ige") >is shown. > >At first I thought it could be a general problem with the console, but >if I go to runlevel 1 and then back to runlevel 5, "?berpr?fung auf neue >Hardware" is correctly shown at the console. > > my problem here with the default-settings, german install, is only in rhgb-show_details $ cat /etc/sysconfig/i18n LANG="de_DE.UTF-8" SUPPORTED="de_DE.UTF-8:de_DE:de" SYSFONT="latarcyrheb-sun16" - without rhgb all is ok in runlevel 3;startx|5 - with rhgb problem is here only in show details: all is ok until "starting keytable", now is shown "? OK U" intead of "[ OK ] " on ttyx and later in X is all ok. can someone give an explanation for this ? thanks. -------- following is no fct3-problem for proper display i need in rhl8.0: LANG="de_DE" SUPPORTED="de_DE.UTF-8:de_DE:de" SYSFONT="latarcyrheb-sun16" while ssh-ing from rhl8.0 to fct3, i can see this # service squid status squid (pid 18385 18383) wird ausgef??hrt.. this should be "ausgef?hrt" but this is no fct3-problem, more an old rhl8.0/i18 - problem -------- -- shrek-m From jakub at redhat.com Sat Oct 18 11:09:57 2003 From: jakub at redhat.com (Jakub Jelinek) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 07:09:57 -0400 Subject: AMD Athlon64 Systems In-Reply-To: ; from mharris@redhat.com on Sat, Oct 18, 2003 at 05:41:46AM -0400 References: <3F900950.8040407@cypress.com> Message-ID: <20031018070957.E2097@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Sat, Oct 18, 2003 at 05:41:46AM -0400, Mike A. Harris wrote: > On Fri, 17 Oct 2003, Chris Ricker wrote: > > >> Does a 64bit mozilla even make sense right now? > >> I'd think just using the 32bit version would be fine. And no issues with > >> plugins. > > > >yep -- for most apps, going 64-bit is pointless > > Depends on the specific CPU architecture. For AMD64, 64bit means > that you also get a slew of additional registers for gcc to use > for optimization for free. In my experience 64bit applications > have a definite benefit over 32bit on AMD64, the exception being > apps that are highly disk or network bound (I/O bound), which > don't benefit much. > > > >> What is the 32/64 bit split in Sparc linux distros? PowerPC distros? > > > >Aurora is 64-bit kernel, 32-bit userspace on UltraSparc > > AMD64 architecture provides more benefits to general 64bit apps > than broken 64bit sparc processors do. ;o) Dunno why you said this is broken (on the contrary IMHO). If there was a 32-bit AMD64 ABI using the additional registers, parameter passing in registers, %rip addressing etc., such code would certainly outperform AMD64 64-bit code, simply because 64-bit apps have necessarily bigger cache footprint, and as long as the application doesn't spend a lot of time doing long long arithmetics or needs really big virtual address space, there should be no reason to go for 64-bit apps. Jakub From mharris at redhat.com Sat Oct 18 11:15:56 2003 From: mharris at redhat.com (Mike A. Harris) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 07:15:56 -0400 (EDT) Subject: AMD Athlon64 Systems In-Reply-To: <20031018070957.E2097@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <3F900950.8040407@cypress.com> <20031018070957.E2097@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 18 Oct 2003, Jakub Jelinek wrote: >> >> What is the 32/64 bit split in Sparc linux distros? PowerPC distros? >> > >> >Aurora is 64-bit kernel, 32-bit userspace on UltraSparc >> >> AMD64 architecture provides more benefits to general 64bit apps >> than broken 64bit sparc processors do. ;o) > >Dunno why you said this is broken (on the contrary IMHO). >If there was a 32-bit AMD64 ABI using the additional >registers, parameter passing in registers, %rip addressing etc., >such code would certainly outperform AMD64 64-bit code, >simply because 64-bit apps have necessarily bigger cache footprint, >and as long as the application doesn't spend a lot of time doing >long long arithmetics or needs really big virtual address space, >there should be no reason to go for 64-bit apps. Your argument is entirely hypothetical however. I've not seen any proof that the increased cache footprint makes much of a difference personally. Speaking in terms of what exists today here and now - AMD64 64bit OS and userland apps outperform x86 32bit OS running on the same machine hands down. If anyone has information to the contrary however, I'm definitely open eared and eyed to have a look at their non-hypothetical test results. ;o) -- Mike A. Harris ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris OS Systems Engineer - XFree86 maintainer - Red Hat From czar at czarc.net Sat Oct 18 11:43:36 2003 From: czar at czarc.net (Gene C.) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 07:43:36 -0400 Subject: rpm segfault/hang Message-ID: <200310180743.36301.czar@czarc.net> Is anyone seeing any problems when they install on FC1-T3 packages which were built on RHL9 or RHL8 systems? https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=107127 In one case I got an rpm hang (when I recovered, I installed the same package which was rebuilt on fc1-t3). In the other cases, rpm segfaulted. -- Gene From benny+nospam at amorsen.dk Sat Oct 18 12:01:14 2003 From: benny+nospam at amorsen.dk (Benny Amorsen) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 14:01:14 +0200 Subject: AMD Athlon64 Systems In-Reply-To: References: <3F900950.8040407@cypress.com> <20031018070957.E2097@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1066478474.2818.3.camel@vega.amorsen.dk> On 2003-10-18 at 13:15, Mike A. Harris wrote: > Your argument is entirely hypothetical however. I've not seen > any proof that the increased cache footprint makes much of a > difference personally. Speaking in terms of what exists today > here and now - AMD64 64bit OS and userland apps outperform x86 > 32bit OS running on the same machine hands down. > > If anyone has information to the contrary however, I'm definitely > open eared and eyed to have a look at their non-hypothetical test > results. ;o) How do you get non-hypothetical test results, when AMD64 does /not/ support the extra registers in 32-bit mode? The fact is that all other CPU architecture which can run in both 32-bit and 64-bit mode are faster in 32-bit mode. And there are non-hypothetical test results showing that. /Benny From nosp at xades.com Sat Oct 18 12:55:43 2003 From: nosp at xades.com (nosp) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 13:55:43 +0100 Subject: Xfree GL still does not coexist with the nVidia drivers In-Reply-To: <1066434802.3762.4.camel@ByteEnable> References: <200310161642.32985.elwoo@videotron.ca> <1066386911.31021.47.camel@cognac.stuttgart.redhat.com> <1066434802.3762.4.camel@ByteEnable> Message-ID: <1066481742.1985.11.camel@earth.xades.com> On Sat, 2003-10-18 at 00:53, ByteEnable wrote: > Is there an official channel at RedHat to contact Nvidia through? I'm > just wondering if they are doing these install's because they dont know > better and need education or they have found other issue's that force > them to install the way they do. I think the nvidia guys have been over this ground before and have chosen a practical but inelegant solution since: 1) they want one installer that works on all distros regardless of distro-packaging method (RPM, deb, other) 2) they have to disable all other libGL implementations or else the linker /may/ find those before the nvidia ones (as Mike says) It's hard to find a more practical way to do it than the way that they have (from what I understand this is just to look in all the usual places for libGL.* and delete the non-nvidia files). There have been some good suggestions on this list, though I'm not qualified to judge whether the description of ATI's approach that has been posted would be possible for nvidia (I assume it is but hasn't been chosen for some reason). The nvidia support forums are pretty active with the linux driver developer/packager posting very frequently. Perhaps a qualified & interested party could broker a pow-wow between the right people from Redhat (Mike), Debian, SuSE, et. al. and the nvidia guy to agree a way forward? From ramoutar at rogers.com Sat Oct 18 13:27:04 2003 From: ramoutar at rogers.com (Trevor Ramoutar) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 09:27:04 -0400 Subject: Network card problem In-Reply-To: <3F90CB03.4050500@speakeasy.net> Message-ID: <000001c3957b$85a401e0$6401a8c0@8j8h5dc15dlxcci> Yep, my DHCP server is definitely up and running...I'm using my router as my DHCP server, and my router gets it's IP from my provider... That and when I reboot into Windows I can connect to the Net no problemo. -----Original Message----- From: fedora-test-list-admin at redhat.com [mailto:fedora-test-list-admin at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Robert L Cochran Sent: October 18, 2003 1:09 AM To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com Subject: Re: Network card problem Looks like eth0 isn't getting an IP address from the dhcp server. Are you sure your DHCP server is up and running? Are other clients able to get IP addresses from it? Bob Trevor Ramoutar wrote: > No problemo. > > Here's the output of ifconfig: > > eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:60:08:CE:ED:A0 > UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 > RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 > TX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:1 carrier:1 > collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000 > RX bytes:0 (0.0 b) TX bytes:0 (0.0 b) > Interrupt:11 Base address:0xdc00 > > lo Link encap:Local Loopback > inet addr:127.0.0.1 Mask:255.0.0.0 > UP LOOPBACK RUNNING MTU:16436 Metric:1 > RX packets:774 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 > TX packets:774 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 > collisions:0 txqueuelen:0 > RX bytes:390002 (380.8 Kb) TX bytes:390002 (380.8 Kb) > > Here's the contents of ifcfg-eth0: > > # Please read /usr/share/doc/initscripts-*/sysconfig.txt > # for the documentation of these parameters. > ONBOOT=yes > USERCTL=no > PEERDNS=yes > TYPE=Ethernet > DEVICE=eth0 > HWADDR=00:60:08:ce:ed:a0 > BOOTPROTO=dhcp > > I'm hoping that this makes more sense to you than it does to me... > > -----Original Message----- > From: fedora-test-list-admin at redhat.com > [mailto:fedora-test-list-admin at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Jaap A. Haitsma > Sent: October 17, 2003 6:34 PM > To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com > Subject: Re: Network card problem > > Hi, > > Does not sound too bad what you have been doing, but in order to analyze > > what's wrong can you send the output when you run ifconfig > and maybe also your /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0 file > (assuming your network interface card is configured as eth0) > > Jaap > > > > Trevor Ramoutar wrote: > >>Hi All, >> >>I just install Fedora Test 3 and have encountered my first problem. >> >>Fedora detected my Ethernet card as a "3c900 10BaseT[Boomerang]" card. >>I also made sure that it was obtaining IP stuff through DHCP. >> >>So far so good, this has worked in every other distro I've tried. >> >>Problem here is that on boot, my eth service doesn't start up. If I >>manually enter in my network info (IP address, subnet, etc.), then the >>service starts on boot, but I still can't connect to the Net. >> >>Does anyone know what I'm doing wrong? >> >>Thanks. >> >> >>-- >>fedora-test-list mailing list >>fedora-test-list at redhat.com >>http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list >> > > > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > -- Bob Cochran Greenbelt, Maryland, USA http://greenbeltcomputer.biz/ -- fedora-test-list mailing list fedora-test-list at redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From kaboom at gatech.edu Sat Oct 18 13:34:40 2003 From: kaboom at gatech.edu (Chris Ricker) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 09:34:40 -0400 (EDT) Subject: AMD Athlon64 Systems In-Reply-To: References: <3F900950.8040407@cypress.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 18 Oct 2003, Mike A. Harris wrote: > >> What is the 32/64 bit split in Sparc linux distros? PowerPC distros? > > > >Aurora is 64-bit kernel, 32-bit userspace on UltraSparc > > AMD64 architecture provides more benefits to general 64bit apps > than broken 64bit sparc processors do. ;o) Actually, it's the broken 32-bit mode of the AMD64 (and any other 32-bit Intel compatible CPU) ;-) In general, it's always going to be true that 32-bit userspace is better than 64-bit userspace for apps that don't need to be 64-bit, simply because you'll avoid as much cache thrashing and such. Isn't the reason that's not true with 64-bit vs 32-bit on AMD64 is because in 32-bit, AMD64 is quite register-starved, and the gains from additional registers in 64-bit more than offset the losses from memory bloat? later, chris From nosp at xades.com Sat Oct 18 13:48:59 2003 From: nosp at xades.com (nosp) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 14:48:59 +0100 Subject: AMD Athlon64 Systems -- dual-940 boards with AGP+PCI-X are still costly ... In-Reply-To: <3F8F78D9.1080602@togami.com> References: <3F8E121B.2020103@speakeasy.net> <1066278620.1140.127.camel@bitman.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> <1066278706.23014.11.camel@binkley> <1066281714.1140.132.camel@bitman.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> <1066282635.23014.23.camel@binkley> <3F8E603F.1020106@reuel.net> <3F8E6AB7.1070900@togami.com> <1066308076.9735.4.camel@earth.xades.com> <3F8F78D9.1080602@togami.com> Message-ID: <1066484939.1985.18.camel@earth.xades.com> On Fri, 2003-10-17 at 06:06, Warren Togami wrote: > I think a kernel compile would be a useless comparison because you would > be using completely different compilers to make two kernels for > different archs. That is not very representative of anything. Sure for, say, i86 vs. sparc because people are less interested in comparing the two. Since i32 and i64 are, although different archs, likely to be compared against each other very frequently, I thought it would be interesting. > > > > For form's sake: (will mostly be exercising 32bit capabilities, but) > > bonnie++ > > bootup time (hopefully you won't be doing too much of this :)) > > shutdown time > > quake3 timedemo > > bogomips :) > > > > Perhaps quake3 if there is a 64bit version, but anything that relies > heavily on disk rather than processor wouldn't be particularly > interesting in a 32bit vs 64bit comparison. Sure, hence "Just for form's sake". The specs mention form a useful part of a generic system benchmark suite and will not stress the processor much; however they're probably useful if (since) you are changing the mainboard (i.e., PCI bus) as well. > Warren Thanks for asking the question -- don't let all these crazy benchmark requests stop you from posting whatever info you see fit to investigate -- it'll all be interesting. Thanks! From czar at czarc.net Sat Oct 18 13:55:39 2003 From: czar at czarc.net (Gene C.) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 09:55:39 -0400 Subject: rpm segfault/hang In-Reply-To: <200310180743.36301.czar@czarc.net> References: <200310180743.36301.czar@czarc.net> Message-ID: <200310180955.39591.czar@czarc.net> On Saturday 18 October 2003 07:43, Gene C. wrote: > Is anyone seeing any problems when they install on FC1-T3 packages which > were built on RHL9 or RHL8 systems? > > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=107127 > > In one case I got an rpm hang (when I recovered, I installed the same > package which was rebuilt on fc1-t3). In the other cases, rpm segfaulted. Bad news ... I just tried running up2date and it also hung during the "install". I am going to reboot to an older kernel and try again. -- Gene From alan at redhat.com Sat Oct 18 14:06:23 2003 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 10:06:23 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Fedora RC3 tests Message-ID: <200310181406.h9IE6Na32584@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Install went ok but there are some small problems - Welsh has vanished from the redhat-config-language menu! - Several *very* long pauses during boot (kudzu ?) - as reported by others - redhat-menus is still missing the Welsh translation - redhat-config-xfree86 can no longer configure my LCD panel (it could before) - nautilus puts the "start here" icon out of line with the others - the games menu if you also install kde is insanely long The new gdm look and feel is striking. Not sure if I like it yet. The less busy install process is also nice. PXE install is back working nicely, and rhgb is a godsend for avoiding translation work ;) Alan From tehmiller at bellsouth.net Sat Oct 18 14:59:06 2003 From: tehmiller at bellsouth.net (Justin Miller) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 10:59:06 -0400 Subject: Installing missing "Select individual packages" option In-Reply-To: <200310181406.h9IE6Na32584@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <200310181406.h9IE6Na32584@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <3F91553A.7020904@bellsouth.net> Well, thus far I'm loving FC test 3, as someone stated its striking, and I have to agree. The look of it all is great, and its good to have fairly up to date packages and releases, (although an updated gstreamer would be nice, hint hint). Having said that, I do have some thoughts. 1st, during the RH9 install, you had an option to "select individual packages". This feature was a god send for people like me, who have done it enough that we know exactly what we want. I was aghast to find it missing in the Fedora install. WHERE HAS IT GONE!? 2nd, when I was first installing some of the Fedora packages, they had an amazing Gnome control center, but I can't get that control center to come up anymore. All I get now is nautilus with the "preferences:///" vfs uri, not a seperate app. Anyone know a good fix for this? And along those same lines, my "start-here:///" vfs uri is empty. All these are from a fresh install of Fedora Core test3, not an upgrade. Viva la Fedora! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From aoliva at redhat.com Sat Oct 18 15:03:33 2003 From: aoliva at redhat.com (Alexandre Oliva) Date: 18 Oct 2003 12:03:33 -0300 Subject: gdm login usability In-Reply-To: <200310162042.h9GKg9l25918@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <200310162042.h9GKg9l25918@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: On Oct 16, 2003, Alan Cox wrote: > Try using XD2 when you have a tab in your password Heck, just hit the space bar a few times instead :-) :-) -- Alexandre Oliva Enjoy Guarana', see http://www.ic.unicamp.br/~oliva/ Red Hat GCC Developer aoliva@{redhat.com, gcc.gnu.org} CS PhD student at IC-Unicamp oliva@{lsd.ic.unicamp.br, gnu.org} Free Software Evangelist Professional serial bug killer From linuxworld at pandora.be Sat Oct 18 15:07:17 2003 From: linuxworld at pandora.be (Johan Van Hellemont) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 17:07:17 +0200 Subject: graphical boot Message-ID: <1066489637.1644.10.camel@D5778A56.kabel.telenet.be> Hi all , Todays updated packages turn my graphical boot off, version of my rhgb : rpm -q rhgb rhgb-0.11-1 How can i turn my graphical boot on ? Thanks anyway Johan From paul at frields.com Sat Oct 18 15:10:30 2003 From: paul at frields.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 11:10:30 -0400 Subject: Evolution-wombat problems Message-ID: <1066489830.1357.8.camel@bettie.internal.frields.org> Re: Bugzilla #106826 Is anyone else having the listed problem -- i.e. evolution-wombat process does not end politely, therefore bonobo-activation-server doesn't quit at GNOME logout, and therefore you receive gnome-settings-daemon errors and lack of panel applet loading at the next login? Please *read the bug* and understand that killing b-a-s is *not* the answer to the problem, even if it does "make it work." Note that if, just before you log out of GNOME, you open a terminal and kill evolution-wombat, then logout, your next login will be fine. I have little aptitude as a GNOME programmer (and similar experience with the GNOME/Bonobo architecture pieces), but I did run some straces on the wombat process.... I gather that it receives signals when you do things like open mail message windows, change views in evolution, and so forth. I would also assume that it needs to remain running during a GNOME session to ensure that mailto: URL's can be handled by evolution (user's settings permitting), etc. Is wombat supposed to receive some signal from a "higher process" like b-a-s, gnome-session or something else, to let it know it's time to die? -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE From stfn at gmx.net Sat Oct 18 15:10:57 2003 From: stfn at gmx.net (Stefan Hoelldampf) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 17:10:57 +0200 Subject: Problems with German translation In-Reply-To: <3F911D41.4080904@gmx.de> References: <3F9107D9.6020800@gmx.net> <3F911D41.4080904@gmx.de> Message-ID: <3F915801.6060703@gmx.net> shrek-m at gmx.de wrote: >>I have to use de_DE at euro (ISO 8859-15) instead of de_DE.UTF-8 (UTF-8). >>(I have changed LANG in /etc/sysconfig/i18n.) > why? A lot of applications do not like UTF-8 very much until now, for example xine and mplayer, ID3-Tags also cause a lot of problems. > - with rhgb > problem is here only in show details: > all is ok until "starting keytable", > now is shown "? OK U" intead of "[ OK ] " > on ttyx and later in X is all ok. Try to update your test3-installation using Rawhide via up2date, this problem seems to be fixed with the latest packages. Regards, Stefan From ed at eh3.com Sat Oct 18 15:15:58 2003 From: ed at eh3.com (Ed Hill) Date: 18 Oct 2003 11:15:58 -0400 Subject: Network card problem In-Reply-To: <000701c394fb$96770330$6401a8c0@8j8h5dc15dlxcci> References: <000701c394fb$96770330$6401a8c0@8j8h5dc15dlxcci> Message-ID: <1066490157.19626.199.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, 2003-10-17 at 18:11, Trevor Ramoutar wrote: > Hi All, > > I just install Fedora Test 3 and have encountered my first problem. > > Fedora detected my Ethernet card as a "3c900 10BaseT[Boomerang]" card. > I also made sure that it was obtaining IP stuff through DHCP. I installed the current Fedora on an older and fairly generic PII system yesterday and got repeated "eth0: Transmit error, Tx status register 82" messages using a 3c905. The bug has been reported at: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=107389 I'm wondering: are other people having problems with 3c905 or similar cards? Ed -- Edward H. Hill III, PhD office: MIT Dept. of EAPS; Room 54-1424; 77 Massachusetts Ave. Cambridge, MA 02139-4307 email: eh3 at mit.edu, ed at eh3.com URL: http://web.mit.edu/eh3/ phone: 617-253-0098 fax: 617-253-4464 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From mitr at volny.cz Sat Oct 18 15:18:12 2003 From: mitr at volny.cz (Miloslav Trmac) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 17:18:12 +0200 Subject: graphical boot In-Reply-To: <1066489637.1644.10.camel@D5778A56.kabel.telenet.be> References: <1066489637.1644.10.camel@D5778A56.kabel.telenet.be> Message-ID: <20031018151812.GA29831@popelka.ms.mff.cuni.cz> On Sat, Oct 18, 2003 at 05:07:17PM +0200, Johan Van Hellemont wrote: > How can i turn my graphical boot on ? rpm -q --changelog initscripts | head Mirek From paul at frields.com Sat Oct 18 15:28:47 2003 From: paul at frields.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 11:28:47 -0400 Subject: Network card problem In-Reply-To: <1066490157.19626.199.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <000701c394fb$96770330$6401a8c0@8j8h5dc15dlxcci> <1066490157.19626.199.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1066490927.1357.12.camel@bettie.internal.frields.org> On Sat, 2003-10-18 at 11:15, Ed Hill wrote: > > I just install Fedora Test 3 and have encountered my first problem. > > > > Fedora detected my Ethernet card as a "3c900 10BaseT[Boomerang]" card. > > I also made sure that it was obtaining IP stuff through DHCP. > > I installed the current Fedora on an older and fairly generic PII system > yesterday and got repeated "eth0: Transmit error, Tx status register 82" > messages using a 3c905. The bug has been reported at: > > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=107389 > > I'm wondering: are other people having problems with 3c905 or similar > cards? # rpm -q --changelog kernel-2.4.22-1.2097.nptl | head * Wed Oct 15 2003 Dave Jones - Drop kupdated 'fix' that broke things with nptl. - Fix up unresolved symbols. * Tue Oct 14 2003 Dave Jones - More merges from 2.4.23pre - Update ACPI CA to 20031002 - Various network driver updates. Given that last line, you might want to try updating to the newest kernel and then adding that report to your BZ entry. -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE From bcs at metacon.ca Sat Oct 18 15:30:58 2003 From: bcs at metacon.ca (Ben Steeves) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 12:30:58 -0300 Subject: Evolution-wombat problems In-Reply-To: <1066489830.1357.8.camel@bettie.internal.frields.org> References: <1066489830.1357.8.camel@bettie.internal.frields.org> Message-ID: <1066491058.13416.19.camel@ripley> On Sat, 2003-10-18 at 12:10, Paul W. Frields wrote: > Re: Bugzilla #106826 > > Is anyone else having the listed problem -- i.e. evolution-wombat > process does not end politely, therefore bonobo-activation-server > doesn't quit at GNOME logout, and therefore you receive > gnome-settings-daemon errors and lack of panel applet loading at the > next login? Yup. I reported it at GNOME... http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124707 , and I've e-mailed the Evolution mailing list about it, asking how they'd like me to file it against Evo. They seem to think it's a panel issue, but I don't think they read the whole bug :-) -- Ben Steeves _ bcs at metacon.ca The ASCII ribbon campaign ( ) ben.steeves at unb.ca against HTML e-mail X GPG ID: 0xB3EBF1D9 http://www.metacon.ca/ascii / \ Yahoo Messenger: ben_steeves From alan at redhat.com Sat Oct 18 15:32:34 2003 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 11:32:34 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Evolution-wombat problems In-Reply-To: <1066489830.1357.8.camel@bettie.internal.frields.org> from "Paul W. Frields" at Hyd 18, 2003 11:10:30 Message-ID: <200310181532.h9IFWYj30694@devserv.devel.redhat.com> > process does not end politely, therefore bonobo-activation-server > doesn't quit at GNOME logout, and therefore you receive > gnome-settings-daemon errors and lack of panel applet loading at the Yes. Still present in rawhide From michal at harddata.com Sat Oct 18 15:38:47 2003 From: michal at harddata.com (Michal Jaegermann) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 09:38:47 -0600 Subject: Network card problem In-Reply-To: <000001c3957b$85a401e0$6401a8c0@8j8h5dc15dlxcci>; from ramoutar@rogers.com on Sat, Oct 18, 2003 at 09:27:04AM -0400 References: <3F90CB03.4050500@speakeasy.net> <000001c3957b$85a401e0$6401a8c0@8j8h5dc15dlxcci> Message-ID: <20031018093847.A11104@mail.harddata.com> On Sat, Oct 18, 2003 at 09:27:04AM -0400, Trevor Ramoutar wrote: > I'm using my router > as my DHCP server, and my router gets it's IP from my provider... That IP from your provider is not relevant in what you describe. > That and when I reboot into Windows I can connect to the Net no > problemo. Some servers want to a see a name of a machine which contacts them and there is DHCP_HOSTNAME variable for such purposes. This is not likely though if you have one of those "router/firewall" boxes from a store. But even those often have logs and a way to look at such; probably through a web interface. Anything revealing in there? OTOH if this router box is not terminally broken and your NIC is sending packets then after configuring it with a static configuration on an internal network used by your router you should have a connection. Michal From defragfs at hotmail.com Sat Oct 18 16:38:50 2003 From: defragfs at hotmail.com (Sean Ryle) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 12:38:50 -0400 Subject: Network card problem Message-ID: I had an email all typed up and ready to send, but then I read further down (I get the list in digest mode since I use this crappy hotmail.com account). First and foremost, check your NIC card to see if the link light on the card is on when you connect it to your network. In situations like this, the best thing to do is rule out a hardware failure right up front. Now, if your NIC is working... It looks like there are two situations, (1) you get nothing from the dhcp server and (2) when you manually configure your ethernet settings, you still get no Internet access. In the case of (1), check to make sure your DHCP server is running. Possibly ping it from another computer on your network that is working (if you have one). If not, you should be able to call your ISP to see if they are getting DHCPREQUESTs from your system (need to provide them your HW addr: 00:60:08:CE:ED:A0). If they are getting no requests, that would at least explain why you aren't getting anything from the DHCP server. If not, it is back to the drawing board. In the case of (2), You provided most of the information I was looking for except one thing. I think you may be experiencing a routing problem. Can you send the output of a 'netstat -rn' command (no quotes)? As a side note, what type of network card do you actually have? You said that a "3c900 10BaseT[Boomerang]" was detected and has worked elsewhere which implies that you have a different card. I wonder if there is a more suitable driver for your card available. From: "Trevor Ramoutar" To: Subject: Network card problem Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 18:11:17 -0400 Reply-To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com Hi All, I just install Fedora Test 3 and have encountered my first problem. Fedora detected my Ethernet card as a "3c900 10BaseT[Boomerang]" card. I also made sure that it was obtaining IP stuff through DHCP. So far so good, this has worked in every other distro I've tried. Problem here is that on boot, my eth service doesn't start up. If I manually enter in my network info (IP address, subnet, etc.), then the service starts on boot, but I still can't connect to the Net. Does anyone know what I'm doing wrong? Thanks. From linuxworld at pandora.be Sat Oct 18 16:49:05 2003 From: linuxworld at pandora.be (Johan Van Hellemont) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 18:49:05 +0200 Subject: graphical boot In-Reply-To: <1066489637.1644.10.camel@D5778A56.kabel.telenet.be> References: <1066489637.1644.10.camel@D5778A56.kabel.telenet.be> Message-ID: <1066495745.1832.13.camel@D5778A56.kabel.telenet.be> On Sat, 2003-10-18 at 17:18:12 +0200, Miloslav Trmac wrote: > rpm -q --changelog initscripts | head Mirek Ok it works now,i change this in my grub.conf file title Fedora Core (2.4.22-1.2097.nptl) root (hd0,0) kernel /vmlinuz-2.4.22-1.2097.nptl ro root=LABEL=/ hdb=ide-scsi rhgb initrd /initrd-2.4.22-1.2097.nptl.img Thanks, Johan From glass-art at comcast.net Sat Oct 18 17:59:59 2003 From: glass-art at comcast.net (Clifford Snow) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 10:59:59 -0700 Subject: Graphical Boot - rhgb Message-ID: <1066499999.4269.7.camel@blue.comcast.net> I modified my grub.conf to use rhgb. I noticed that if I switched from detail to no detail, the detail stopped with just a mouse "X" pointer. It stayed that way until gdm took over. Has anyone else seen this behavior? -- Clifford Snow glass-art at comcast.net -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From ed at eh3.com Sat Oct 18 19:34:10 2003 From: ed at eh3.com (Ed Hill) Date: 18 Oct 2003 15:34:10 -0400 Subject: Network card problem In-Reply-To: <1066490927.1357.12.camel@bettie.internal.frields.org> References: <000701c394fb$96770330$6401a8c0@8j8h5dc15dlxcci> <1066490157.19626.199.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1066490927.1357.12.camel@bettie.internal.frields.org> Message-ID: <1066505650.19626.211.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sat, 2003-10-18 at 11:28, Paul W. Frields wrote: > Given that last line, you might want to try updating to the newest > kernel and then adding that report to your BZ entry. Hi Paul, Thank you for the response. I re-installed Fedora Core, upgraded to the latest (2.4.22-1.2097) kernel, and tried using the 3c905 NIC again. Still the same errors and I've reported the details at: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=107389 So does anyone else have this card working with Fedora? I mean, it *is* a mighty common NIC, right? I'd like to help out more with Fedora testing but the lack of networking makes it a *-s-l-o-w-* process. Ed -- Edward H. Hill III, PhD office: MIT Dept. of EAPS; Room 54-1424; 77 Massachusetts Ave. Cambridge, MA 02139-4307 email: eh3 at mit.edu, ed at eh3.com URL: http://web.mit.edu/eh3/ phone: 617-253-0098 fax: 617-253-4464 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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(fct3) In-Reply-To: <005c01c39547$1e2f0340$030a0a0a@NATASHA> References: <005c01c39547$1e2f0340$030a0a0a@NATASHA> Message-ID: <1066506399.5128.17.camel@vaio.jumanjihouse.com> On Sat, 2003-10-18 at 02:11, Don Russell wrote: > When it boots up for "first boot", it doesn't go into the graphical > boot.... and after all the "starting...[OK]" messages a message: > > INIT: Id "x" respawning too fast: disabled for 5 minutes try booting into runlevel 3, then run redhat-config-xfree86 specific instructions in case your new to linux: at the grub bootloader, press an "e" on your os line, arrow down to the line starting with "kernel" and press "e" again (to edit). at the end of that line add " init 3", press enter, then press "b" (to boot). if it boots ok, then login as root and run redhat-config-xfree86 you'll want to review /var/log/messages for relevant messages, too. > The second hard disk is "slave" with the cdrom is "master. The other > hard disk is master on the primary channel There is nothing necessarily wrong with this, but from a performance standpoint it is usually better to place fast devices such as hard drives as master while placing slower drives as slaves. > Have I done anything obviously stupid/silly? Should both hard disks be > on the same channel and leave the cd by itself? No. Main boot hard disk goes as primary master, next fastest disk (your secondary hard drive) should go as secondary master, first optical should go as secondary slave, and second optical should go as primary slave. (from a performance standpoint, that is). > Also, one error during install... I tried to create a boot diskette, > but it got an error when trying to write to the disk.... I tried two > different diskettes, then proceeded without a boot diskette. That's ok for now. You can always run "mkbootdisk" after you have a working system. HTH -paul From czar at czarc.net Sat Oct 18 20:22:13 2003 From: czar at czarc.net (Gene C.) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 16:22:13 -0400 Subject: kmail spell check Message-ID: <200310181622.13876.czar@czarc.net> The kmail in RHL9 had to ability to spell check a message. This seems to be dropped in the new kedit (or at least I cannot find it). I am hoping it is still there and that someone can point me to it. -- Gene From czar at czarc.net Sat Oct 18 20:35:54 2003 From: czar at czarc.net (Gene C.) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 16:35:54 -0400 Subject: autohide draw Message-ID: <200310181635.54456.czar@czarc.net> In earlier versions (e.g., RHL 9), of gnome and metacity, when you selected a program to execute from a "panel drawer", the "drawer" would collapse back -- this is not happening on FC1-T3. Is there some way to enable the collapse. -- Gene From spam at pheather.com Sat Oct 18 20:37:44 2003 From: spam at pheather.com (spam at pheather.com) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 14:37:44 -0600 Subject: Network card problem In-Reply-To: <3F90CB03.4050500@speakeasy.net> References: <000001c39531$7ed28d90$6401a8c0@8j8h5dc15dlxcci> Message-ID: <3F915038.23287.3BB645C@localhost> not sure he's doing anything wrong same problem here using both Fedora test 2 and 3 no problem at all if I reformat and install Redhat 8 or 9 pheather > Looks like eth0 isn't getting an IP address from the dhcp server. Are > you sure your DHCP server is up and running? Are other clients able to > get IP addresses from it? > > Bob > > > Trevor Ramoutar wrote: > > > No problemo. > > > > Here's the output of ifconfig: > > > > eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:60:08:CE:ED:A0 > > UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 > > RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 > > TX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:1 carrier:1 > > collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000 > > RX bytes:0 (0.0 b) TX bytes:0 (0.0 b) > > Interrupt:11 Base address:0xdc00 > > > > lo Link encap:Local Loopback > > inet addr:127.0.0.1 Mask:255.0.0.0 > > UP LOOPBACK RUNNING MTU:16436 Metric:1 > > RX packets:774 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 > > TX packets:774 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 > > collisions:0 txqueuelen:0 > > RX bytes:390002 (380.8 Kb) TX bytes:390002 (380.8 Kb) > > > > Here's the contents of ifcfg-eth0: > > > > # Please read /usr/share/doc/initscripts-*/sysconfig.txt > > # for the documentation of these parameters. > > ONBOOT=yes > > USERCTL=no > > PEERDNS=yes > > TYPE=Ethernet > > DEVICE=eth0 > > HWADDR=00:60:08:ce:ed:a0 > > BOOTPROTO=dhcp > > > > I'm hoping that this makes more sense to you than it does to me... > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: fedora-test-list-admin at redhat.com > > [mailto:fedora-test-list-admin at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Jaap A. Haitsma > > Sent: October 17, 2003 6:34 PM To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com Subject: Re: > > Network card problem > > > > Hi, > > > > Does not sound too bad what you have been doing, but in order to analyze > > > > what's wrong can you send the output when you run ifconfig > > and maybe also your /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0 file > > (assuming your network interface card is configured as eth0) > > > > Jaap > > > > > > > > Trevor Ramoutar wrote: > > > >>Hi All, > >> > >>I just install Fedora Test 3 and have encountered my first problem. > >> > >>Fedora detected my Ethernet card as a "3c900 10BaseT[Boomerang]" card. > >>I also made sure that it was obtaining IP stuff through DHCP. > >> > >>So far so good, this has worked in every other distro I've tried. > >> > >>Problem here is that on boot, my eth service doesn't start up. If I > >>manually enter in my network info (IP address, subnet, etc.), then the > >>service starts on boot, but I still can't connect to the Net. > >> > >>Does anyone know what I'm doing wrong? > >> > >>Thanks. > >> > >> > >>-- > >>fedora-test-list mailing list > >>fedora-test-list at redhat.com > >>http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > >> > > > > > > > > > > -- > > fedora-test-list mailing list > > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > > > > > -- > > fedora-test-list mailing list > > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > > > > > -- > Bob Cochran > Greenbelt, Maryland, USA > http://greenbeltcomputer.biz/ > > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From rnix at prometheon.net Sat Oct 18 20:44:24 2003 From: rnix at prometheon.net (Ryan Nix) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 15:44:24 -0500 Subject: Frame buffer Message-ID: <3F91A628.5000908@prometheon.net> Hello, Is there anyway to change the splash screen in Fedora release .95 without recompiling the kernel? If there isn't, where can I find the pixmap in the source? Thanks in advance! Ryan From paul at dishone.st Sat Oct 18 21:28:27 2003 From: paul at dishone.st (Paul Jakma) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 22:28:27 +0100 (IST) Subject: AMD Athlon64 Systems In-Reply-To: References: <3F900950.8040407@cypress.com> <20031018070957.E2097@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 18 Oct 2003, Mike A. Harris wrote: > If anyone has information to the contrary however, I'm definitely > open eared and eyed to have a look at their non-hypothetical test > results. ;o) The point is though exactly that with AMD64 this argument is hypothetical. The other posters are not talking about IA32 vs x86-64, they're talking about x86-64 versus a hypothetical ILP32 ABI for x86-64. All (i can think of at least) the other 64bit processors support ILP32 ABIs, and apps do run faster because it. (MIPS even has a 32bit ABI with 64bit doubles, MIPS n32 possibly). regards, -- Paul Jakma paul at clubi.ie paul at jakma.org Key ID: 64A2FF6A warning: do not ever send email to spam at dishone.st Fortune: As far as we know, our computer has never had an undetected error. -- Weisert From jgeorgeson at lopht.net Sat Oct 18 21:47:47 2003 From: jgeorgeson at lopht.net (Justin Georgeson) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 16:47:47 -0500 Subject: Frame buffer In-Reply-To: <3F91A628.5000908@prometheon.net> References: <3F91A628.5000908@prometheon.net> Message-ID: <3F91B503.5020303@lopht.net> Ryan Nix wrote: > Hello, > > Is there anyway to change the splash screen in Fedora release .95 > without recompiling the kernel? If there isn't, where can I find the > pixmap in the source? which splash screen are you referring to (grub, graphical boot, gnome login, kde login, etc)? From jgeorgeson at lopht.net Sat Oct 18 21:48:47 2003 From: jgeorgeson at lopht.net (Justin Georgeson) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 16:48:47 -0500 Subject: autohide draw In-Reply-To: <200310181635.54456.czar@czarc.net> References: <200310181635.54456.czar@czarc.net> Message-ID: <3F91B53F.2070907@lopht.net> Gene C. wrote: > In earlier versions (e.g., RHL 9), of gnome and metacity, when you selected a > program to execute from a "panel drawer", the "drawer" would collapse back -- > this is not happening on FC1-T3. Is there some way to enable the collapse. from the menu: preferences->more preferences->panel From rnix at prometheon.net Sat Oct 18 22:05:13 2003 From: rnix at prometheon.net (Ryan Nix) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 17:05:13 -0500 Subject: Frame buffer In-Reply-To: <3F91B503.5020303@lopht.net> References: <3F91A628.5000908@prometheon.net> <3F91B503.5020303@lopht.net> Message-ID: <3F91B919.1080403@prometheon.net> Sorry, graphical boot. Justin Georgeson wrote: > > Ryan Nix wrote: > >> Hello, >> >> Is there anyway to change the splash screen in Fedora release .95 >> without recompiling the kernel? If there isn't, where can I find the >> pixmap in the source? > > > which splash screen are you referring to (grub, graphical boot, gnome > login, kde login, etc)? > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > From nbirchler at earthlink.net Sat Oct 18 22:58:09 2003 From: nbirchler at earthlink.net (Neil Birchler) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 17:58:09 -0500 Subject: matrox usb drive unusable with usb 1.1 In-Reply-To: <3F90D135.601@skmoore.com> References: <3F909913.6070706@skmoore.com> <1066441767.7909.0.camel@tower.steins.net> <3F90D135.601@skmoore.com> Message-ID: <1066517888.14961.1.camel@tower.steins.net> maybe a bug in the usb mass storage driver? i wouldn't know what else would cause your cpu usage to spike like that just for transferring a file On Sat, 2003-10-18 at 00:35, Stephen Moore wrote: > 00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corp. 82845 845 (Brookdale) Chipset Host > Bridge (rev 04) > > But to be truthfull, i have done this on different computers and it just > doesn't work well. I experimated and copied a 1.8gig file using nautilus > ( and it trashed the gui) but it did finish eventually. My gui was > trashed, the mouse would move but I couldnt get any right click menus, > or ctl alt backspace. Again the apci power button was my freind. > > I took a screenshot while coping the file. The gui was unresponsive at > this stage, windows would not change focus, couldn't type. I pressed the > PrintScreen button and eventually it actually took a screenshot. > > http://www.skmoore.com/Screenshot.png > > Neil Birchler wrote: > > >>But with usb 1.1 > >> > >> > > > >what motherboard chipset? > > > > > >-- > >fedora-test-list mailing list > >fedora-test-list at redhat.com > >http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > > > From terraformers at gmx.net Sat Oct 18 23:11:46 2003 From: terraformers at gmx.net (lars) Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 01:11:46 +0200 Subject: rhgb boot console Message-ID: <200310190111.46416.terraformers@gmx.net> really like the new throbber! the *x* pointer issue is gone too. is there an option to enable the boot console display of rhgb by default? if not i would like to see one! thanks, lars From czar at czarc.net Sat Oct 18 23:42:58 2003 From: czar at czarc.net (Gene C.) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 19:42:58 -0400 Subject: autohide draw In-Reply-To: <3F91B53F.2070907@lopht.net> References: <200310181635.54456.czar@czarc.net> <3F91B53F.2070907@lopht.net> Message-ID: <200310181942.58655.czar@czarc.net> On Saturday 18 October 2003 17:48, Justin Georgeson wrote: > Gene C. wrote: > > In earlier versions (e.g., RHL 9), of gnome and metacity, when you > > selected a program to execute from a "panel drawer", the "drawer" would > > collapse back -- this is not happening on FC1-T3. Is there some way to > > enable the collapse. > > from the menu: preferences->more preferences->panel Yes, thank you that did it. On a slightly different topic, I noticed that programs which were defined under RHL 9 in a drawer, will not execute now ... in fact, the old drawer is very broken ... created a new drawer and it works fine. -- Gene From redhat-jc at insight.rr.com Sun Oct 19 00:35:24 2003 From: redhat-jc at insight.rr.com (Jim Cornette) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 20:35:24 -0400 Subject: can make the red hat icon replaceable ? In-Reply-To: <3F911164.1070909@asahi-net.or.jp> References: <3F911164.1070909@asahi-net.or.jp> Message-ID: <3F91DC4C.6050206@insight.rr.com> Hirano Kazunari wrote: > Hi, > > Let me say something about the red hat icon, leftmost icon on the panel. > Is it possible to make it replaceable? Sometimes I want to see another > icon for it. If we can see its properties menu when right-clicking it > and change the icon, it will be fine for me. > > Thanks > khirano > Mine is a folder with a gear on it. I also have a door with an arrow on it. After adding a panel to the top. The aplication menu has the red hat on it. I like the logout door and the folder with the gear on it. But the red hat never bothered me either. Jim -- This login session: $13.76, but for you $11.88. From bfd at pcisys.net Sun Oct 19 01:34:43 2003 From: bfd at pcisys.net (BFD) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 19:34:43 -0600 Subject: Problems with up2date and GPG signatures Message-ID: <3F91EA33.4080608@pcisys.net> Hello, I'm trying to update Fedora and having some problems. The first one is that when downloading the .rpm files, I kept getting a message about the file not having a vaild gpg signature. I looked in the fedora archive and found advice to run 'up2date -u fedora-release' after subscribing to the updates channel, and then 'rpm --import /usr/share/doc/fedora-release-0.95/RPM-GPG-KEY-rawhide' but this still does not get rid of the gpg error message when downloading. I went ahead and downloaded them one at a time but then their installaion failed. They are in /var/spool/up2date. If I try to install them manually by issuing "rpm -Uvh *.rpm" I get an error message for the first file as follows: error: open of References: <000701c394fb$96770330$6401a8c0@8j8h5dc15dlxcci> <1066490157.19626.199.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <3F91EE23.4080006@insight.rr.com> Ed Hill wrote: > On Fri, 2003-10-17 at 18:11, Trevor Ramoutar wrote: > >>Hi All, >> >>I just install Fedora Test 3 and have encountered my first problem. >> >>Fedora detected my Ethernet card as a "3c900 10BaseT[Boomerang]" card. >>I also made sure that it was obtaining IP stuff through DHCP. > > > > I installed the current Fedora on an older and fairly generic PII system > yesterday and got repeated "eth0: Transmit error, Tx status register 82" > messages using a 3c905. The bug has been reported at: > > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=107389 > > I'm wondering: are other people having problems with 3c905 or similar > cards? > > Ed > From the bug posted, I got this excerpt below. 00:0d.0 Ethernet controller: 3Com Corporation 3c905 100BaseTX [Boomerang] I have a card that is considered this model also. it is recognized as a hurricane model. It doesn't work very well at all as this card type. It caused a check cable error. Then after running dhclient, it got a lease address from my router. That is all well, except it still had problems with starting GNOME, locking up mozlla etc. I since switched out the card for a tornado (3 com) and it works fine. My Boomerang card worked great for all releases up to RHL 9. It failed miserably when tried from an upgrade from RHL 7.3 to Severn 1 and also when trying to do a fresh install. I was trying some test kernels when using RH 9. The test kernel 2.5.68 compiled fine. I think that it failed with 2.5.70 and I stopped trying to compile test kernels when that happened. I think that there are a lot of 3com Boomerang cards out there. I eard that they worked good with NT4 and other cards were troublesome with early NT. If there are a lot of corporate users who migrate their hardware, like I like to do. From lesser machines to newer machines. It is important that this prolem is resolved. Since you say that your card was recogized as a 00:0d.0 Ethernet controller: 3Com Corporation 3c905 100BaseTX [Boomerang]. I ought to put the card back in to see what it acts like. I hope it acts like it used to. But it sounds like it only shifted the problem over to others. Jim -- I believe that professional wrestling is clean and everything else in the world is fixed. -- Frank Deford, sports writer From redhat-jc at insight.rr.com Sun Oct 19 03:04:21 2003 From: redhat-jc at insight.rr.com (Jim Cornette) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 23:04:21 -0400 Subject: Network card problem In-Reply-To: <1066505650.19626.211.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <000701c394fb$96770330$6401a8c0@8j8h5dc15dlxcci> <1066490157.19626.199.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1066490927.1357.12.camel@bettie.internal.frields.org> <1066505650.19626.211.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <3F91FF35.5040208@insight.rr.com> Ed Hill wrote: > On Sat, 2003-10-18 at 11:28, Paul W. Frields wrote: > > >>Given that last line, you might want to try updating to the newest >>kernel and then adding that report to your BZ entry. > > > > Hi Paul, > > Thank you for the response. I re-installed Fedora Core, upgraded to the > latest (2.4.22-1.2097) kernel, and tried using the 3c905 NIC again. > Still the same errors and I've reported the details at: > > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=107389 > > So does anyone else have this card working with Fedora? I mean, it *is* > a mighty common NIC, right? I'd like to help out more with Fedora > testing but the lack of networking makes it a *-s-l-o-w-* process. > > Ed > This is not what your card is? Then it is a similar problem that I had since severn1. 00:11.0 Ethernet controller: 3Com Corporation 3c905B 100BaseTX [Cyclone] This is what type of card you have? Then the problem is similar to what is happening for me with the card. 00:0d.0 Ethernet controller: 3Com Corporation 3c905 100BaseTX [Boomerang] I searched for the cable unplugged bug report and someone else had the identical problem that I had. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=103506 here is a link to my bug report https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=104793 I have both the working tornado and the buggy Boomerang NIC in the output. I originally filed a bug as below for redhat-config-network from RHL 7.3 upgrade. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=101068 Jim From jbarrios at linuxparatodos.net Sun Oct 19 04:45:58 2003 From: jbarrios at linuxparatodos.net (Joel Barrios) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 23:45:58 -0500 Subject: kernel 2.4.22-1.2097, winbond-840 and 8139too, more issues related to network cards Message-ID: <1066538758.15455.93.camel@linux.linuxparatodos.com.mx> Yup. More annoyances related to network cards. After upgrading to latest rawhide packages, it solved a kernel oops my three machines suffered(!) since 2.2.22-93 while rebooting or shutting down. That made me happy. I tested kernel-2.4.22-1.2097 in three different machines. The machine with the most issues has two network cards, a Winbond W89C840 (eth0) and a D-Link RTL_8129 (eth1). 00:0b.0 Ethernet controller: Winbond Electronics Corp W89C840 00:0d.0 Ethernet controller: D-Link System Inc RTL8139 Ethernet (rev 10) * 8139too does not loaded * After upgrading and rebooting Kudzu detected my D-Link RTL_8129 (eth1) was no more, I let it erase it. The strange thing was that the winbond-840 module, the one from the first ethernet card, didn't load and the 8139too did and took on the wrong interface, the eth0 instead of the eth1. The eth1 did not started because the RTL-8139 took on the eth0. * How I solved it? * I edited /etc/sysconfig/hwconf and erased both the entries for the Winbond and RTL-8139. Then run again kudzu an let it add the entries again, but avoiding to configure with 'netconfig'. Then I had too stop eth0 interface and load manually the winbond-840 module, then add the 'HWADDR=xx:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx' parameter to ifcfg-eth0 and ifcfg-eth1 to tie each card to the correct interface and then do 'service network restart'. After a reboot, everything is Ok again, but the system takes a lot to boot because there is a annoying modules dependencies calculation each time it boots. Is this really necessary? Joel Barrios D. Linux Para Todos http://www.linuxparatodos.net/ From andre at bwh.harvard.edu Sun Oct 19 05:00:18 2003 From: andre at bwh.harvard.edu (Andre Robatino) Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 01:00:18 -0400 (EDT) Subject: how to report Rawhide bugs in Bugzilla Message-ID: <200310190500.h9J50IA10496@garfield.bwh.harvard.edu> This may be a silly question: if a bug occurs in a Rawhide package that is an upgrade to test3, should it be reported as a bug under Rawhide, or under Fedora Core, test3? In other words, does the Fedora Core, test3 category only apply to exactly those packages that originally shipped with test3, or also to the Rawhide packages shipped as updates to it? From grant at tuins.ac.jp Sun Oct 19 07:35:57 2003 From: grant at tuins.ac.jp (rg) Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 16:35:57 +0900 Subject: Open with "XPDF" not in open with menu anymore... In-Reply-To: <200310190500.h9J50IA10496@garfield.bwh.harvard.edu> References: <200310190500.h9J50IA10496@garfield.bwh.harvard.edu> Message-ID: <3F923EDD.8020408@tuins.ac.jp> Not a bug, I am sure, but XPDF should be automatically included in the Open With pop-up menu. I don't think it a good idea that first time users should have to set that up for themselves. rg From jaap_haitsma at zonnet.nl Sun Oct 19 08:26:08 2003 From: jaap_haitsma at zonnet.nl (Jaap A. Haitsma) Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 10:26:08 +0200 Subject: Graphical Boot - rhgb In-Reply-To: <1066499999.4269.7.camel@blue.comcast.net> References: <1066499999.4269.7.camel@blue.comcast.net> Message-ID: <3F924AA0.5030409@zonnet.nl> Clifford Snow wrote: > I modified my grub.conf to use rhgb. I noticed that if I switched from > detail to no detail, the detail stopped with just a mouse "X" pointer. > It stayed that way until gdm took over. > > Has anyone else seen this behavior? > > -- > Clifford Snow > glass-art at comcast.net Here as well. Just a blank screen with only an "X" pointer. I saw it work correctly in one of the previous versions of rhgb (don't remember which one) From jaap_haitsma at zonnet.nl Sun Oct 19 08:36:47 2003 From: jaap_haitsma at zonnet.nl (Jaap A. Haitsma) Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 10:36:47 +0200 Subject: Frame buffer In-Reply-To: <3F91B919.1080403@prometheon.net> References: <3F91A628.5000908@prometheon.net> <3F91B503.5020303@lopht.net> <3F91B919.1080403@prometheon.net> Message-ID: <3F924D1F.9050003@zonnet.nl> These three files contain the graphics rhgb is showing /usr/share/rhgb/fedora-logo.png /usr/share/rhgb/large-computer.png /usr/share/rhgb/throbber-anim.png Jaap P.S. It's quite to find out which files rhgb is using, by typing rpm -ql rhgb Ryan Nix wrote: > Sorry, graphical boot. > From jaap_haitsma at zonnet.nl Sun Oct 19 08:52:22 2003 From: jaap_haitsma at zonnet.nl (Jaap A. Haitsma) Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 10:52:22 +0200 Subject: Problems with up2date and GPG signatures In-Reply-To: <3F91EA33.4080608@pcisys.net> References: <3F91EA33.4080608@pcisys.net> Message-ID: <3F9250C6.5090107@zonnet.nl> BFD wrote: > Hello, > > I'm trying to update Fedora and having some problems. The first one is > that when downloading the .rpm files, I kept getting a message about the > file not having a vaild gpg signature. > > I looked in the fedora archive and found advice to run > > 'up2date -u fedora-release' > > after subscribing to the updates channel, and then > > 'rpm --import /usr/share/doc/fedora-release-0.95/RPM-GPG-KEY-rawhide' > > but this still does not get rid of the gpg error message when downloading. > > I went ahead and downloaded them one at a time but then their > installaion failed. They are in /var/spool/up2date. If I try to install > them manually by issuing "rpm -Uvh *.rpm" I get an error message for the > first file as follows: > > error: open of error: open of HTML failed: No such file or directory > error: open of PUBLIC failed: No such file or directory > > So my question is twofold: > > 1. What do I need do to overcome the gpg signature message when > downloading? > > 2. What need I to do to get the downloaded files to install? There's > only 208 MB of them, so I hate to have to download them again. > > BFD > 1. run up2date-config and uncheck "Use GPG to verify packages" or run up2date with --nosig as an option 2. Just run up2date again. AFAIK it won't download the packages again. BTW there is no 0.95 channel. To keep up2date put the following line in /etc/sysconfig/rhn/sources yum rawhide http://ftp.redhat.com/pub/redhat/linux/rawhide/ Jaap From jaap_haitsma at zonnet.nl Sun Oct 19 09:00:42 2003 From: jaap_haitsma at zonnet.nl (Jaap A. Haitsma) Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 11:00:42 +0200 Subject: Please put a howto and settings for apt, yum and up2date on fedora website Message-ID: <3F9252BA.8080106@zonnet.nl> There have been numerous discussions on this list about apt, yum and up2date I suggest to just put a small howto (which include the appropriate settings for getting updates) for these tools on the fedora website. Jaap From p00mda at du.se Sun Oct 19 10:11:49 2003 From: p00mda at du.se (Mattias Dahlberg) Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 12:11:49 +0200 (MEST) Subject: Nautilus and editing text files as root. In-Reply-To: <1066393307.23209.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On 17 Oct 2003, Paul W. Frields wrote: > I don't know if this completely fills your particular need, but you > could: Yes, it worked perfectly. Thanks. If Red Hat don't want to include an Edit as Root option in Nautilus by default, maybe they could prepare a ready-to-use script (similar to the one you described) in /usr/bin that the sysadmins and the advanced home users easily could add as an application for text files. Regards, Mattias From nosp at xades.com Sun Oct 19 10:58:58 2003 From: nosp at xades.com (nosp) Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 11:58:58 +0100 Subject: Please put a howto and settings for apt, yum and up2date on fedora website In-Reply-To: <3F9252BA.8080106@zonnet.nl> References: <3F9252BA.8080106@zonnet.nl> Message-ID: <1066561138.1985.182.camel@earth.xades.com> On Sun, 2003-10-19 at 10:00, Jaap A. Haitsma wrote: > There have been numerous discussions on this list about apt, yum and > up2date I suggest to just put a small howto (which include the > appropriate settings for getting updates) for these tools on the fedora > website. There's a small one at http://www.xades.com/proj/fedora_repos.html From rpjday at mindspring.com Sun Oct 19 11:03:43 2003 From: rpjday at mindspring.com (Robert P. J. Day) Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 07:03:43 -0400 (GMT-04:00) Subject: AES-encrypted filesystem support? Message-ID: <24154905.1066561423952.JavaMail.root@wamui05.slb.atl.earthlink.net> is there, somewhere, a concise HOWTO for encrypted filesystem support using loopback mounts and based on the 2.6 kernel? rday From tim at birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie Sun Oct 19 12:18:02 2003 From: tim at birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie (Timothy Murphy) Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 13:18:02 +0100 Subject: Using Anaconda updates.img on hard disk Message-ID: <200310191318.02356.tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie> The Anaconda documentation says that you can either copy updates.img to a floppy drive or install in .../RedHat/base , and it will automatically be called. I found that the former worked, but the latter did not. When I copied updates.img to .../RedHat/base it was ignored. You may ask why I want to do this. I have a laptop (Sony C1VFK Picturebook) without floppy or CD drive. The laptop is currently running RedHat-9.0, and I want to "upgrade" to Fedora Core. I have a WiFi connection to my desktop, and have downloaded Fedora Core test release 2 (version 0.94, IIRC). The installation fails because of a known bug. I have installed this version of Fedora on my desktop by putting severn-test-updates.img on a floppy. The installation worked perfectly after that. Unfortunately I cannot do that on my laptop, as explained above. What I did was to "decompose" the iso image with mount -o loop ...disk1.iso /mnt/cdom make a "proper" copy of this with cp -a /mnt/cdrom /fedora copy severn-test-updates.img to /fedora/RedHat/base/updates.img and "remake" the iso image with mkisofs -R -o ...disk1.iso /fedora I should say that I abstracted bootdisk.img from the ISO image, decomposed it with "mount -o loop" copied the resultant files to /boot/fedora and added a grub pointer to these, so that I could boot into the Fedora release. The new ISO image worked exactly like the old one, but encountered the same bug at the same point, ie the updates.img seems to have been ignored. I looked briefly at the anaconda sources, but I am not an expert, and could not see where (in loader2/hdloader.c) this updates.img file was accessed. I'd be very grateful for any suggestions or advice. Has anyone successfully implanted updates.img in RedHat/base/ ? Is there another way of achieving the same aim? I did wonder too, although I am not an expert in these matters -- could I have modified the anaconda sources, recompiled them, and replaced the new version in the ISO image? Or could I have modified the bootdisk? I could not really work out how the bootdisk interacted with anaconda. -- Timothy Murphy e-mail: tim /at/ birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie (all email over 80k dispatched to /dev/null) tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland From mike at netlyncs.com Sun Oct 19 12:25:33 2003 From: mike at netlyncs.com (Mike Chambers) Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 07:25:33 -0500 Subject: how to report Rawhide bugs in Bugzilla In-Reply-To: <200310190500.h9J50IA10496@garfield.bwh.harvard.edu> References: <200310190500.h9J50IA10496@garfield.bwh.harvard.edu> Message-ID: <1066566333.7343.1.camel@bart.netlyncs.com> On Sun, 2003-10-19 at 00:00, Andre Robatino wrote: > This may be a silly question: if a bug occurs in a Rawhide package that > is an upgrade to test3, should it be reported as a bug under Rawhide, or > under Fedora Core, test3? In other words, does the Fedora Core, test3 > category only apply to exactly those packages that originally shipped with > test3, or also to the Rawhide packages shipped as updates to it? I would report them against Fedora Core, test 3, and just make sure to include package versions for the component your having problems with. They know up2date is configured against rawhide, as that is also the only place you can get updates from anyhow (cept from 3rd party). -- Mike Chambers Madisonville, KY "Can you hear me now?....GOOD!" From seanc at tech-access.com Sun Oct 19 12:59:38 2003 From: seanc at tech-access.com (Sean Craig) Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 16:59:38 +0400 Subject: Kudzu mouse detect Message-ID: <3F928ABA.5000004@tech-access.com> Hi All, I have an updated FC t3 laptop, using an external USB mouse. I rebooted without the USB mouse, and kudzu didn't detect the mouse change to PS/2. Can other laptop users replicate this? Is this a known issue, - maybe a side effect of the rhgb? regards Sean Craig From jaap_haitsma at zonnet.nl Sun Oct 19 13:09:29 2003 From: jaap_haitsma at zonnet.nl (Jaap A. Haitsma) Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 15:09:29 +0200 Subject: Please put a howto and settings for apt, yum and up2date on fedora website In-Reply-To: <1066561138.1985.182.camel@earth.xades.com> References: <3F9252BA.8080106@zonnet.nl> <1066561138.1985.182.camel@earth.xades.com> Message-ID: <3F928D09.8070106@zonnet.nl> nosp wrote: > On Sun, 2003-10-19 at 10:00, Jaap A. Haitsma wrote: > >>There have been numerous discussions on this list about apt, yum and >>up2date I suggest to just put a small howto (which include the >>appropriate settings for getting updates) for these tools on the fedora >>website. > > > There's a small one at http://www.xades.com/proj/fedora_repos.html > That's a nice page :-), but unfortunately it isn't so obvious to find this page. IMO it should be part of the fedora homepage and it needs a couple of more mirrors for the apt and yum repositories. (Just to not let everybody download from the same site) Jaap From aldert at vdlaan.yi.org Sun Oct 19 14:32:37 2003 From: aldert at vdlaan.yi.org (Aldert E. van der Laan) Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 10:32:37 -0400 Subject: CD 2 keeps giving me a wrong MD5 Message-ID: <7E68B34FA8BEEA46B805CE292A7D408C4CCF@vdl0003.vdlaan.yi.org.local> I have downloaded Severn now four times from different sources and the MD5 on the CD2 ISO constantly shows as a failed. Whatsup with that? ftp.redhat.com less.cogeco.net ftp.telus.net ftp.cse.buffalo.edu Regards, Aldert E. van der Laan London, Ontario Canada From tdiehl at rogueind.com Sun Oct 19 14:57:43 2003 From: tdiehl at rogueind.com (Tom Diehl) Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 10:57:43 -0400 (EDT) Subject: CD 2 keeps giving me a wrong MD5 In-Reply-To: <7E68B34FA8BEEA46B805CE292A7D408C4CCF@vdl0003.vdlaan.yi.org.local> Message-ID: On Sun, 19 Oct 2003, Aldert E. van der Laan wrote: > I have downloaded Severn now four times from different sources and the > MD5 on the CD2 ISO constantly shows as a failed. Whatsup with that? You are doing something wrong. They are fine here. Suggest you check to make sure you are using the correct MD5SUM file and if so then use rsync to fix it. See the attached MD5SUM file. This is for test 3. Run md5sum -c MD5SUM to check all of them. -- ......Tom Registered Linux User #14522 http://counter.li.org tdiehl at rogueind.com My current SpamTrap -------> mtd123 at rogueind.com -------------- next part -------------- ab54b65ece278d62c7b2561b92cd41e9 severn-i386-disc1.iso d413940309010b297e491c0d9760d34a severn-i386-disc2.iso 50d2b160830bed01c84cea18d26b01fa severn-i386-disc3.iso 803c744bc469f7c1709b24c6b0ecf423 severn-SRPMS-disc1.iso c1700888455097e376edcbfe2c9435ea severn-SRPMS-disc2.iso 08a0fe45eb8fe44d7c7ca94764b3b5b6 severn-SRPMS-disc3.iso From a.t.meinen at chello.nl Sun Oct 19 15:00:44 2003 From: a.t.meinen at chello.nl (Tino Meinen) Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 17:00:44 +0200 Subject: Network card problem In-Reply-To: <000001c39531$7ed28d90$6401a8c0@8j8h5dc15dlxcci> References: <000001c39531$7ed28d90$6401a8c0@8j8h5dc15dlxcci> Message-ID: <1066575644.2629.20.camel@node10a62.a2000.nl> Could you also please send your /etc/modules.conf and /etc/resolv.conf Thanks Tino Op za 18-10-2003, om 06:37 schreef Trevor Ramoutar: > No problemo. > > Here's the output of ifconfig: > > eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:60:08:CE:ED:A0 > UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 > RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 > TX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:1 carrier:1 > collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000 > RX bytes:0 (0.0 b) TX bytes:0 (0.0 b) > Interrupt:11 Base address:0xdc00 > > lo Link encap:Local Loopback > inet addr:127.0.0.1 Mask:255.0.0.0 > UP LOOPBACK RUNNING MTU:16436 Metric:1 > RX packets:774 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 > TX packets:774 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 > collisions:0 txqueuelen:0 > RX bytes:390002 (380.8 Kb) TX bytes:390002 (380.8 Kb) > > Here's the contents of ifcfg-eth0: > > # Please read /usr/share/doc/initscripts-*/sysconfig.txt > # for the documentation of these parameters. > ONBOOT=yes > USERCTL=no > PEERDNS=yes > TYPE=Ethernet > DEVICE=eth0 > HWADDR=00:60:08:ce:ed:a0 > BOOTPROTO=dhcp From nosp at xades.com Sun Oct 19 15:06:26 2003 From: nosp at xades.com (nosp) Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 16:06:26 +0100 Subject: Please put a howto and settings for apt, yum and up2date on fedora website In-Reply-To: <3F928D09.8070106@zonnet.nl> References: <3F9252BA.8080106@zonnet.nl> <1066561138.1985.182.camel@earth.xades.com> <3F928D09.8070106@zonnet.nl> Message-ID: <1066575986.1985.187.camel@earth.xades.com> On Sun, 2003-10-19 at 14:09, Jaap A. Haitsma wrote: > nosp wrote: > That's a nice page :-), but unfortunately it isn't so obvious to find > this page. IMO it should be part of the fedora homepage I've already emailed the docs team. > and it needs a > couple of more mirrors for the apt and yum repositories. (Just to not > let everybody download from the same site) Suggestions welcome :). From aldert at vdlaan.yi.org Sun Oct 19 15:11:13 2003 From: aldert at vdlaan.yi.org (Aldert E. van der Laan) Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 11:11:13 -0400 Subject: CD 2 keeps giving me a wrong MD5 Message-ID: <7E68B34FA8BEEA46B805CE292A7D408C4CD0@vdl0003.vdlaan.yi.org.local> Hi Tom, Not to offend anyone here but I have been burning CD's for over 5 years and am well aware how to do this. I am using Nero6 and an LG 8250-B with TDK or SONY media. As mentioned CD1 and CD3 are just fine but where ever I download CD2 I am getting a fail on the MD5SUM (that I also pull from the same FTP site where I download the CD's from). Where did you get the images from, maybe I will try it one more time Oh, I did burn CD2 and the media check also fails (just to make sure the MD5SUMS are giving me the right answer), luckily CD's are cheap. I'll try your suggestion as well with rsync. Cheers, Aldert. -----Original Message----- From: Tom Diehl [mailto:tdiehl at rogueind.com] Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2003 10:58 AM To: Fedora Test List Subject: Re: CD 2 keeps giving me a wrong MD5 On Sun, 19 Oct 2003, Aldert E. van der Laan wrote: > I have downloaded Severn now four times from different sources and the > MD5 on the CD2 ISO constantly shows as a failed. Whatsup with that? You are doing something wrong. They are fine here. Suggest you check to make sure you are using the correct MD5SUM file and if so then use rsync to fix it. See the attached MD5SUM file. This is for test 3. Run md5sum -c MD5SUM to check all of them. -- ......Tom Registered Linux User #14522 http://counter.li.org tdiehl at rogueind.com My current SpamTrap -------> mtd123 at rogueind.com From andre at bwh.harvard.edu Sun Oct 19 15:27:08 2003 From: andre at bwh.harvard.edu (Andre Robatino) Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 11:27:08 -0400 (EDT) Subject: CD 2 keeps giving me a wrong MD5 In-Reply-To: <7E68B34FA8BEEA46B805CE292A7D408C4CD0@vdl0003.vdlaan.yi.org.local> from "Aldert E. van der Laan" at Oct 19, 2003 11:11:13 AM Message-ID: <200310191527.h9JFR8913533@garfield.bwh.harvard.edu> > Hi Tom, > > > Not to offend anyone here but I have been burning CD's for over 5 years > and am well aware how to do this. > I am using Nero6 and an LG 8250-B with TDK or SONY media. > As mentioned CD1 and CD3 are just fine but where ever I download CD2 I > am getting a fail on the MD5SUM (that I also pull from the same FTP site > where I download the CD's from). > > Where did you get the images from, maybe I will try it one more time > > Oh, I did burn CD2 and the media check also fails (just to make sure > the MD5SUMS are giving me the right answer), luckily CD's are cheap. > > I'll try your suggestion as well with rsync. > > Cheers, > > Aldert. The mediacheck is brain-dead (see bug #106685), although disk #2 is the one disk I _haven't_ gotten spurious errors on. Is md5sum giving you the same wrong md5 sum for each of the servers (if so, what is it?), or a different md5 sum each time? From wrrhdev at riede.org Sun Oct 19 15:34:12 2003 From: wrrhdev at riede.org (Willem Riede) Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 11:34:12 -0400 Subject: FYI: Beta 3 Installation Issues In-Reply-To: <52940.63.161.116.194.1066229031@sun-qmail03.laserlink.net> (from pjain001@covad.net on Wed, Oct 15, 2003 at 10:43:51 -0400) References: <52940.63.161.116.194.1066229031@sun-qmail03.laserlink.net> Message-ID: <20031019153412.GC986@linnie.riede.org> On 2003.10.15 10:43, pjain001 at covad.net wrote: > I was able to easily upgrade my work machine from RHL9 to Fedora Core 3, > however, using the same media, anytime I tried to upgrade my home machine > ( Fedora Core 2) to FC3, it would blow up on the "searching list of > packages to upgrade". I understand that upgrades aren't supported but > this just an FYI. Unfortunately, I don't have the error codes from the > install process to submit to Bugzilla. > > Curious if anyone else had the same problem. Yes. This is what I got: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/anaconda/gui.py", line 766, in nextClicked self.dispatch.gotoNext() File "/usr/lib/anaconda/dispatch.py", line 168, in gotoNext self.moveStep() File "/usr/lib/anaconda/dispatch.py", line 236, in moveStep rc = apply(func, self.bindArgs(args)) File "/usr/lib/anaconda/upgrade.py", line 530, in upgradeFindPackages (h[rpm.RPMTAG_EPOCH], h[rpm.RPMTAG_VERSION], TypeError: argument 2, item 0 must be string or None, not int Local variables in innermost frame: intf: hasFileManager: 1 vers: 0.94 findpackageset: instPath: /mnt/sysimage package: h: mi: ts: method: myarch: i386 currentVersion: 0.94 hasX: 1 file: __db.003 supportedUpgradeVersion: -1 release: 0.test6.1.49 found: 0 and then there's a ton of internal data, that I can make available if anyone wants it. But, given that such beta->beta upgrades are not supported, and the install (rather than upgrade) of this test box succeeded, I doubt anyone cares... Regards, Willem Riede. From blizzard at redhat.com Sun Oct 19 15:29:01 2003 From: blizzard at redhat.com (Christopher Blizzard) Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 11:29:01 -0400 Subject: Mozilla 1.5 In-Reply-To: <3F90702D.6050301@bol.com.br> References: <3F90702D.6050301@bol.com.br> Message-ID: <3F92ADBD.9030908@redhat.com> gsc wrote: > > Will be enclosed the Mozilla 1.5 in the fedora final version ? No, too late for this release. --Chris -- ------------ Christopher Blizzard http://people.redhat.com/blizzard/ ------------ From mhowell at northlink.com Sun Oct 19 15:37:34 2003 From: mhowell at northlink.com (Mark Howell) Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 08:37:34 -0700 Subject: is anyone using any speech / dictation with Fedora? In-Reply-To: <200310160023.12020.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <000801c39656$ec49f6d0$6701a8c0@icontrolinc.com> [snip] Elton wrote > > > Noted, also that there is some move afoot > for a suitable open > source replacement called Sphinx: http://www.speech.cs.cmu.edu/sphinx/ > > comments, please? > [snip] I'm familiar with Sphinx. There are actually three generations out there; 2 and 3 are C and build fine on Linux (I played with 2 on my Zaurus a few months back) and 4, which is all Java. AFAICT none of them are built to be dictation systems, but that is not to say they couldn't be adapted by someone with ASR expertise and a lot of time. (And to match the performance of Dragon or Via Voice, that's a *lot* of time I suspect). Mark. From bcs at metacon.ca Sun Oct 19 16:05:51 2003 From: bcs at metacon.ca (Ben Steeves) Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 13:05:51 -0300 Subject: Kudzu mouse detect In-Reply-To: <3F928ABA.5000004@tech-access.com> References: <3F928ABA.5000004@tech-access.com> Message-ID: <1066579551.13416.38.camel@ripley> On Sun, 2003-10-19 at 09:59, Sean Craig wrote: > Hi All, > > I have an updated FC t3 laptop, using an external USB mouse. I rebooted > without the USB mouse, and kudzu didn't detect the mouse change to PS/2. > > Can other laptop users replicate this? Yup. It happens to me too, on an IBM T30. I have to run redhat-config-mouse and choose the new settings manually, then restart X, in order to switch from external USB mouse to the PS/2 pointing system. > Is this a known issue, - maybe a side effect of the rhgb? I never thought of that... I did a quick search on Redhat's Bugzilla and got a bunch of hits for similar -- if not identical -- problems. -- Ben Steeves _ bcs at metacon.ca The ASCII ribbon campaign ( ) ben.steeves at unb.ca against HTML e-mail X GPG ID: 0xB3EBF1D9 http://www.metacon.ca/ascii / \ Yahoo Messenger: ben_steeves From cantisan at bol.com.br Sun Oct 19 16:06:34 2003 From: cantisan at bol.com.br (gsc) Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 14:06:34 -0200 Subject: LILO Message-ID: <3F92B68A.6060403@bol.com.br> Where is LILO ? I cannot choose LILO instead of Grub in installation process... From rnix at prometheon.net Sun Oct 19 16:12:37 2003 From: rnix at prometheon.net (Ryan Nix) Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 11:12:37 -0500 Subject: Kudzu mouse detect In-Reply-To: <1066579551.13416.38.camel@ripley> References: <3F928ABA.5000004@tech-access.com> <1066579551.13416.38.camel@ripley> Message-ID: <3F92B7F5.5060808@prometheon.net> Happend to me too although I thought it was a fluke because I use Virtual PC on my Mac G4 to test. Ben Steeves wrote: >On Sun, 2003-10-19 at 09:59, Sean Craig wrote: > > >>Hi All, >> >>I have an updated FC t3 laptop, using an external USB mouse. I rebooted >>without the USB mouse, and kudzu didn't detect the mouse change to PS/2. >> >>Can other laptop users replicate this? >> >> > >Yup. It happens to me too, on an IBM T30. I have to run >redhat-config-mouse and choose the new settings manually, then restart >X, in order to switch from external USB mouse to the PS/2 pointing >system. > > > >>Is this a known issue, - maybe a side effect of the rhgb? >> >> > >I never thought of that... > >I did a quick search on Redhat's Bugzilla and got a bunch of hits for >similar -- if not identical -- problems. > > > From aldert at vdlaan.yi.org Sun Oct 19 16:19:29 2003 From: aldert at vdlaan.yi.org (Aldert E. van der Laan) Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 12:19:29 -0400 Subject: CD 2 keeps giving me a wrong MD5 Message-ID: <7E68B34FA8BEEA46B805CE292A7D408C4CD2@vdl0003.vdlaan.yi.org.local> Here is the MD5Sum I pulled from the files I have so far: 2554dce37cb3beedb8973ba1d7706228 *severn-i386-disc2.iso And ALL of them are the same...... I did save the four downloads in four different directories. I am downloading on a Win XP machine as I do not have a CD burner in my old laptop. Did I manage to start downloading while the servers are being updated (file dates are 10/10/2003). I really want to start testing with this as my new laptop is due to arrive in a month or so and I want to make sure my setup is still going to work. -----Original Message----- From: Andre Robatino [mailto:andre at bwh.harvard.edu] Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2003 11:27 AM To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com Subject: Re: CD 2 keeps giving me a wrong MD5 > > Oh, I did burn CD2 and the media check also fails (just to make sure > the MD5SUMS are giving me the right answer), luckily CD's are cheap. The mediacheck is brain-dead (see bug #106685), although disk #2 is the one disk I _haven't_ gotten spurious errors on. Is md5sum giving you the same wrong md5 sum for each of the servers (if so, what is it?), or a different md5 sum each time? -- fedora-test-list mailing list fedora-test-list at redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From miketclew at nepotia.org Sun Oct 19 16:15:37 2003 From: miketclew at nepotia.org (Michael Clewley) Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 12:15:37 -0400 Subject: apt vs yum In-Reply-To: ; from nsilva-list@aoi.atari-source.com on Fri, Oct 17, 2003 at 11:28:14AM -0400 References: <3F8F7BA2.70307@lopht.net> Message-ID: <20031019121537.A3332@nepotia.nepotia.home> On 17, Noah Silva [Mailing list] wrote: > > > I find it odd to hear that you (Justin) found yum to be slower > > > than apt. It's my understanding that apt (for rpm) suffers from > > > far more bloat and frankly sucks the life out of my old pentiums. > > > But it's so damn effective and convenient, that I admin shy of two > > > dozen redhat servers with it. Again, I've not tried YUM.. > > > > I don't recall saying that yum is slower. Sorry Justin.. my eyes were probably crossed or something x). > I was the one that said that. On every system I have tried so far, > apt is an order of magnitude faster than yum. Worse yet, unless you > explicitly tell it not to, yum tries to do certain things > -every-single- time you run it. (i.e. I really don't want to see > "downloading headers" then I do "yum install gimp"). Then again, a > lot of things I just haven't found an apt repo for, so... Thanks for clearing that up. That behaviour does seem a bit unecessary, atleast by default. Not to say that I can't see the benefit of having the functionality -available-. -mike -- Michael Clewley From whooperhsd3 at earthlink.net Sun Oct 19 16:22:38 2003 From: whooperhsd3 at earthlink.net (William Hooper) Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 12:22:38 -0400 (EDT) Subject: LILO In-Reply-To: <3F92B68A.6060403@bol.com.br> References: <3F92B68A.6060403@bol.com.br> Message-ID: <65004.65.40.134.44.1066580558.squirrel@whooper.org> gsc said: > > Where is LILO ? I cannot choose LILO instead of Grub in installation > process... > Please read the release notes: http://fedora.redhat.com/docs/release-notes/ The following packages have been removed from Fedora Core 0.95: [snip] - lilo ? GRUB is the recommended bootloader -- William Hooper From andre at bwh.harvard.edu Sun Oct 19 16:33:05 2003 From: andre at bwh.harvard.edu (Andre Robatino) Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 12:33:05 -0400 (EDT) Subject: CD 2 keeps giving me a wrong MD5 In-Reply-To: <7E68B34FA8BEEA46B805CE292A7D408C4CD2@vdl0003.vdlaan.yi.org.local> from "Aldert E. van der Laan" at Oct 19, 2003 12:19:29 PM Message-ID: <200310191633.h9JGX5n13695@garfield.bwh.harvard.edu> > Here is the MD5Sum I pulled from the files I have so far: > > 2554dce37cb3beedb8973ba1d7706228 *severn-i386-disc2.iso > > And ALL of them are the same...... > > I did save the four downloads in four different directories. I am > downloading on a Win XP machine as I do not have a CD burner in my old > laptop. > > Did I manage to start downloading while the servers are being updated > (file dates are 10/10/2003). > I really want to start testing with this as my new laptop is due to > arrive in a month or so and I want to make sure my setup is still going > to work. Ok, so it's definitely not a bad HD, and the files on the servers are probably good. The only other thing I can think of is, are you sure you're downloading in binary mode instead of ASCII? BTW the correct size of severn-i386-disc2.iso is 668729344 bytes. This is the largest of the ISO files by a slight margin (the next largest is severn-i386-disc1.iso which is 666861568 bytes). From smearp at mac.com Sun Oct 19 16:41:31 2003 From: smearp at mac.com (Sean Earp) Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 09:41:31 -0700 Subject: CD 2 keeps giving me a wrong MD5 In-Reply-To: <7E68B34FA8BEEA46B805CE292A7D408C4CD2@vdl0003.vdlaan.yi.org.local> Message-ID: <17EA7C86-0253-11D8-B665-000393C34F68@mac.com> On Sunday, October 19, 2003, at 09:19 AM, Aldert E. van der Laan wrote: > Here is the MD5Sum I pulled from the files I have so far: > > 2554dce37cb3beedb8973ba1d7706228 *severn-i386-disc2.iso > > And ALL of them are the same...... > > I did save the four downloads in four different directories. I am > downloading on a Win XP machine as I do not have a CD burner in my old > laptop. > > Did I manage to start downloading while the servers are being updated > (file dates are 10/10/2003). > I really want to start testing with this as my new laptop is due to > arrive in a month or so and I want to make sure my setup is still going > to work. >> >> Oh, I did burn CD2 and the media check also fails (just to make sure >> the MD5SUMS are giving me the right answer), luckily CD's are cheap. > > The mediacheck is brain-dead (see bug #106685), although disk #2 is > the one disk I _haven't_ gotten spurious errors on. Is md5sum giving > you the same wrong md5 sum for each of the servers (if so, what is > it?), > or a different md5 sum each time? I was having problems with bad CD's (although I was using 3 year old no-name CD-R's... shame on me), and instead of running down to CompUSA to pick up some good media, I just did an install via FTP, which worked fine. You can boot to CD #1 (or to the boot.iso cd... you can pick it up at ), and at the first prompt, type "linux askmethod". After prompting you for your language and keyboard, choose "ftp install" and it will ask you for your server. I used: Server: ftp.dulug.duke.edu Directory: ftp.redhat.com/pub/redhat/linux/beta/severn/en/os/i386/ Installing via FTP has the added advantage of not requiring you to swap CD's during the install, and unlike RH9, the install is fully graphical. Just a suggestion... -Sean BTW, my MD5SUM on disc 2 was: d413940309010b297e491c0d9760d34a which is exactly what it was supposed to be. I downloaded my copy from bittorrent . If you want to have the actual 3 CD set, you might give that a shot. BitTorrent theoretically does such a good job of consistency checking, that MD5 or SHA1 checking is redundant (at least that is what the FAQ says... take it for what it is worth). From rnix at prometheon.net Sun Oct 19 16:49:40 2003 From: rnix at prometheon.net (Ryan Nix) Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 11:49:40 -0500 Subject: Graphical boot Message-ID: <3F92C0A4.9090102@prometheon.net> I just did a apt-get dist-upgrade with the repository at http://www.xades.com/proj/fedora_repos.html. Now the nice boot up screen is gone. Any ideas? From ramoutar at rogers.com Sun Oct 19 16:57:19 2003 From: ramoutar at rogers.com (trevor ramoutar) Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 12:57:19 -0400 Subject: Network card problem In-Reply-To: <1066575644.2629.20.camel@node10a62.a2000.nl> References: <000001c39531$7ed28d90$6401a8c0@8j8h5dc15dlxcci> <1066575644.2629.20.camel@node10a62.a2000.nl> Message-ID: <3F92C26F.1000400@rogers.com> That's going to take me a little while...my hard drive borked on me last night and I lost everything...I just reinstalled Windows so now I have to grab the ISOs again... Tino Meinen wrote: >Could you also please send your /etc/modules.conf and /etc/resolv.conf > >Thanks >Tino > >Op za 18-10-2003, om 06:37 schreef Trevor Ramoutar: > > >>No problemo. >> >>Here's the output of ifconfig: >> >>eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:60:08:CE:ED:A0 >> UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 >> RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 >> TX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:1 carrier:1 >> collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000 >> RX bytes:0 (0.0 b) TX bytes:0 (0.0 b) >> Interrupt:11 Base address:0xdc00 >> >>lo Link encap:Local Loopback >> inet addr:127.0.0.1 Mask:255.0.0.0 >> UP LOOPBACK RUNNING MTU:16436 Metric:1 >> RX packets:774 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 >> TX packets:774 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 >> collisions:0 txqueuelen:0 >> RX bytes:390002 (380.8 Kb) TX bytes:390002 (380.8 Kb) >> >>Here's the contents of ifcfg-eth0: >> >># Please read /usr/share/doc/initscripts-*/sysconfig.txt >># for the documentation of these parameters. >>ONBOOT=yes >>USERCTL=no >>PEERDNS=yes >>TYPE=Ethernet >>DEVICE=eth0 >>HWADDR=00:60:08:ce:ed:a0 >>BOOTPROTO=dhcp >> >> > > > >-- >fedora-test-list mailing list >fedora-test-list at redhat.com >http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > > From acbk at zeelandnet.nl Sun Oct 19 16:58:01 2003 From: acbk at zeelandnet.nl (h.breimer) Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 18:58:01 +0200 Subject: kernel 2.6test8 and LVM?? Message-ID: <20031019185801.130d3f44.acbk@zeelandnet.nl> I have a fully updated T3 system kernel 2097 initscripts 7.38-1 mkinitrd-3.5.14-1 modutils-2.3.25-13 kernel-2.6.0-0.test8.1.60 at boot: .. .. vgscan --LVM driver not loadaed? .. Error: /bin/vgscan exited abnormally .. vgchange --ERROR: "/etc/lvmtab" doesn't exist:please run vgscan .. Kernel panic Seems test8 has a problem with vgscan? henk From janina at rednote.net Sun Oct 19 16:59:04 2003 From: janina at rednote.net (Janina Sajka) Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 12:59:04 -0400 Subject: ALSA Build Problem Message-ID: <20031019165903.GM9369@rednote.net> Is anyone else having trouble building ALSA under the new rawhide kernels? I would very much like to know if it's me, or something in the kernel source. I have not had a problem until the most recent two rawhide kernels, both 2.4.22-1.2096.nptl and 2.4.22-1.2097.nptl. My compiles are also breaking in two different ALSA releases. Building with alsa-driver-0.9.6-2.cvs, where the error is: /usr/src/redhat/BUILD/alsa-driver-0.9.6/include/adriver.h:200: error: redefinition of `irqreturn_t' /usr/src/linux-2.4.22-1.2097.nptlspk2/include/linux/interrupt.h:16: error: `irqreturn_t' previously declared here make[1]: *** [hwdep.o] Error 1 And also with the latest stock ALSA release source, 0.9.7c: In file included from /home/wacker/alsa/alsa-driver-0.9.7c/include/sound/driver.h:42, from hwdep.c:22: /home/wacker/alsa/alsa-driver-0.9.7c/include/adriver.h:134: redefinition of `PDE' /lib/modules/2.4.22-1.2097.nptlspk2/build/include/linux/proc_fs.h:17: `PDE' previously defined here make[1]: *** [hwdep.o] Error 1 From janina at rednote.net Sun Oct 19 17:05:55 2003 From: janina at rednote.net (Janina Sajka) Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 13:05:55 -0400 Subject: LILO In-Reply-To: <65004.65.40.134.44.1066580558.squirrel@whooper.org> References: <3F92B68A.6060403@bol.com.br> <65004.65.40.134.44.1066580558.squirrel@whooper.org> Message-ID: <20031019170554.GO9369@rednote.net> And a sad thing it is, too, for those of us requiring eyes-free booting options. Grub may be a step forward in many ways, but it's a step backwards for the eyes-free user at this time. William Hooper writes: > From: "William Hooper" > > > gsc said: > > > > Where is LILO ? I cannot choose LILO instead of Grub in installation > > process... > > > > Please read the release notes: > http://fedora.redhat.com/docs/release-notes/ > > The following packages have been removed from Fedora Core 0.95: > [snip] > - lilo ? GRUB is the recommended bootloader > > -- > William Hooper > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list -- Janina Sajka Email: janina at rednote.net Phone: (202) 408-8175 Director, Technology Research and Development American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) http://www.afb.org Chair, Accessibility Work Group Free Standards Group http://accessibility.freestandards.org From katzj at redhat.com Sun Oct 19 17:30:40 2003 From: katzj at redhat.com (Jeremy Katz) Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 13:30:40 -0400 Subject: kernel 2.6test8 and LVM?? In-Reply-To: <20031019185801.130d3f44.acbk@zeelandnet.nl> References: <20031019185801.130d3f44.acbk@zeelandnet.nl> Message-ID: <1066584639.1214.1.camel@edoras.local.net> On Sun, 2003-10-19 at 12:58, h.breimer wrote: > I have a fully updated T3 system > Seems test8 has a problem with vgscan? 2.6 has lvm2, not lvm so you need newer tools to use LVM with 2.6 Cheers, Jeremy From aldert at vdlaan.yi.org Sun Oct 19 17:31:07 2003 From: aldert at vdlaan.yi.org (Aldert E. van der Laan) Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 13:31:07 -0400 Subject: CD 2 keeps giving me a wrong MD5 - FIXED Message-ID: <7E68B34FA8BEEA46B805CE292A7D408C4CD3@vdl0003.vdlaan.yi.org.local> Well one last try to download it, thank God for high speed internet, succeeded. I used the FTP client from Linux this time instead of the Windows FTP client. Downloaded from mirrors.kernel.org this time. Filesizes are all the same, crc isn't. Well I am off to playing, thanks everyone for the response. Aldert. -----Original Message----- From: Andre Robatino [mailto:andre at bwh.harvard.edu] Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2003 12:33 PM To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com Subject: Re: CD 2 keeps giving me a wrong MD5 > Here is the MD5Sum I pulled from the files I have so far: > > 2554dce37cb3beedb8973ba1d7706228 *severn-i386-disc2.iso > > And ALL of them are the same...... > > I did save the four downloads in four different directories. I am > downloading on a Win XP machine as I do not have a CD burner in my old > laptop. > > Did I manage to start downloading while the servers are being updated > (file dates are 10/10/2003). > I really want to start testing with this as my new laptop is due to > arrive in a month or so and I want to make sure my setup is still > going to work. Ok, so it's definitely not a bad HD, and the files on the servers are probably good. The only other thing I can think of is, are you sure you're downloading in binary mode instead of ASCII? BTW the correct size of severn-i386-disc2.iso is 668729344 bytes. This is the largest of the ISO files by a slight margin (the next largest is severn-i386-disc1.iso which is 666861568 bytes). -- fedora-test-list mailing list fedora-test-list at redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From nosp at xades.com Sun Oct 19 17:34:40 2003 From: nosp at xades.com (nosp) Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 18:34:40 +0100 Subject: Graphical boot In-Reply-To: <3F92C0A4.9090102@prometheon.net> References: <3F92C0A4.9090102@prometheon.net> Message-ID: <1066584880.24039.2.camel@earth.marydengler.com> On Sun, 2003-10-19 at 17:49, Ryan Nix wrote: > I just did a apt-get dist-upgrade with the repository at > http://www.xades.com/proj/fedora_repos.html. > > Now the nice boot up screen is gone. Any ideas? > If you got an updated package it's always possible that's the cause... --- # rpm -q --changelog rhgb | head * Fri Oct 17 2003 Jonathan Blandford 0.11 - only launch if explicitly listed in grub --- change your /boot/grub/grub.conf to include "rhgb" on the line that launches the kernel you want to start with rhgb. From glass-art at comcast.net Sun Oct 19 18:00:11 2003 From: glass-art at comcast.net (Clifford Snow) Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 11:00:11 -0700 Subject: Graphical Boot - rhgb In-Reply-To: <1066499999.4269.7.camel@blue.comcast.net> References: <1066499999.4269.7.camel@blue.comcast.net> Message-ID: <1066586411.3984.1.camel@blue.comcast.net> On Sat, 2003-10-18 at 10:59, Clifford Snow wrote: > I modified my grub.conf to use rhgb. I noticed that if I switched from > detail to no detail, the detail stopped with just a mouse "X" pointer. > It stayed that way until gdm took over. Bug # 107508 entered in bugzilla. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=107508 -- Clifford Snow glass-art at comcast.net -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From tdiehl at rogueind.com Sun Oct 19 18:24:05 2003 From: tdiehl at rogueind.com (Tom Diehl) Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 14:24:05 -0400 (EDT) Subject: CD 2 keeps giving me a wrong MD5 In-Reply-To: <7E68B34FA8BEEA46B805CE292A7D408C4CD0@vdl0003.vdlaan.yi.org.local> Message-ID: On Sun, 19 Oct 2003, Aldert E. van der Laan wrote: > Hi Tom, > > > Not to offend anyone here but I have been burning CD's for over 5 years > and am well aware how to do this. OK > I am using Nero6 and an LG 8250-B with TDK or SONY media. > As mentioned CD1 and CD3 are just fine but where ever I download CD2 I > am getting a fail on the MD5SUM (that I also pull from the same FTP site > where I download the CD's from). Did you check the iso's BEFORE you tried to burn them with the command I suggested?? > Where did you get the images from, maybe I will try it one more time (icarus pts7) # rsync rsync://carroll.cac.psu.edu/redhat/redhat/linux/beta/severn/en/iso/i386/ drwxr-xr-x 4096 2003/09/24 03:43:34 . -rw-r--r-- 339 2003/10/13 00:44:38 MD5SUM -rw-r--r-- 653885440 2003/10/10 12:35:28 severn-SRPMS-disc1.iso -rw-r--r-- 653819904 2003/10/10 12:38:07 severn-SRPMS-disc2.iso -rw-r--r-- 653819904 2003/10/10 12:40:38 severn-SRPMS-disc3.iso -rw-r--r-- 666861568 2003/10/10 12:23:55 severn-i386-disc1.iso -rw-r--r-- 668729344 2003/10/10 12:28:38 severn-i386-disc2.iso -rw-r--r-- 663519232 2003/10/10 12:32:03 severn-i386-disc3.iso (icarus pts7) # > Oh, I did burn CD2 and the media check also fails (just to make sure > the MD5SUMS are giving me the right answer), luckily CD's are cheap. > > I'll try your suggestion as well with rsync. Add -avP a source file name and a destination path to the above command line and it will repair your isos for you. If you add a -n that will allow you to do a dry-run before doing the real thing, which is not a bad idea if you have never used rsync before. If you use the wrong options/paths it can do a log of damage. You have been warned!! :-) Check the iso md5 BEFORE you try to burn it. If the md5sum is good on the iso then your burning procedure/hardware is hosed. If the iso is bad all the burning in the world is not going to fix it :-) On a linux box run "md5sum -c MD5SUM" and either use the MD5SUM file you got with your iso's or the one I sent you in the previous message. If you do not have a linux box to do this on there is a windoze program that will do the same thing. I do not recall the name but google is your friend. My guess is that the iso's are actually ok but only you can tell for sure. HTH, -- ......Tom Registered Linux User #14522 http://counter.li.org tdiehl at rogueind.com My current SpamTrap -------> mtd123 at rogueind.com From tdiehl at rogueind.com Sun Oct 19 18:26:43 2003 From: tdiehl at rogueind.com (Tom Diehl) Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 14:26:43 -0400 (EDT) Subject: LILO In-Reply-To: <20031019170554.GO9369@rednote.net> Message-ID: On Sun, 19 Oct 2003, Janina Sajka wrote: > And a sad thing it is, too, for those of us requiring eyes-free booting > options. > > Grub may be a step forward in many ways, but it's a step backwards for > the eyes-free user at this time. Why?? What will lilo do that grub will not?? Maybe there is a solution that you are not aware of. OTOH maybe there is not but it does not hurt to ask. -- ......Tom Registered Linux User #14522 http://counter.li.org tdiehl at rogueind.com My current SpamTrap -------> mtd123 at rogueind.com From alan at redhat.com Sun Oct 19 18:35:48 2003 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 14:35:48 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Second fedora test box (box from hell #1) Message-ID: <200310191835.h9JIZmq17575@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Graphical install - Anaconda thinsk the version is 9.0.95 - Reports it is using the native X server (thats a neat trick as the Weitek P9100 has no XFree 4.x server) - Bombs out Text install - Incredibly slow initially until I took some ram out- looks like the BIOS can't set up MTRR's right and the kernel still cant fix them up. Other bits I noticed - Sane is missing the backend manual pages - Typo in the install debug stuff "Buses" From mharris at redhat.com Sun Oct 19 19:07:06 2003 From: mharris at redhat.com (Mike A. Harris) Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 15:07:06 -0400 (EDT) Subject: AMD Athlon64 Systems In-Reply-To: <1066478474.2818.3.camel@vega.amorsen.dk> References: <3F900950.8040407@cypress.com> <20031018070957.E2097@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1066478474.2818.3.camel@vega.amorsen.dk> Message-ID: On Sat, 18 Oct 2003, Benny Amorsen wrote: >> Your argument is entirely hypothetical however. I've not seen >> any proof that the increased cache footprint makes much of a >> difference personally. Speaking in terms of what exists today >> here and now - AMD64 64bit OS and userland apps outperform x86 >> 32bit OS running on the same machine hands down. >> >> If anyone has information to the contrary however, I'm definitely >> open eared and eyed to have a look at their non-hypothetical test >> results. ;o) > >How do you get non-hypothetical test results, when AMD64 does /not/ >support the extra registers in 32-bit mode? I never claimed it was possible. >The fact is that all other CPU architecture which can run in >both 32-bit and 64-bit mode are faster in 32-bit mode. And there >are non-hypothetical test results showing that. I don't discount that at all. However, AMD64 is not one of those architectures. The hardware is mass market available now, so feel free to do benchmarking of the CPU running both 32bit and 64bit OS, with 32bit and 64bit applications. I don't have numbers for you, however it seems rather clear to me that the registers gained in 64bit mode, more than offset any performance losses due to larger cache footprint. Feel free to debate amongst the nonbelievers however if you wish... -- Mike A. Harris ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris OS Systems Engineer - XFree86 maintainer - Red Hat From mharris at redhat.com Sun Oct 19 19:12:15 2003 From: mharris at redhat.com (Mike A. Harris) Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 15:12:15 -0400 (EDT) Subject: AMD Athlon64 Systems In-Reply-To: References: <3F900950.8040407@cypress.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 18 Oct 2003, Chris Ricker wrote: >In general, it's always going to be true that 32-bit userspace is better >than 64-bit userspace for apps that don't need to be 64-bit, simply because >you'll avoid as much cache thrashing and such. On processors like sparc, ppc, sure. >Isn't the reason that's not true with 64-bit vs 32-bit on AMD64 >is because in 32-bit, AMD64 is quite register-starved, and the >gains from additional registers in 64-bit more than offset the >losses from memory bloat? Exactly, plus the fact that AMD64 has a lot more onchip CPU cache memory right out of the floodgates, which minimizes/eliminates losses for the most part. Really though, one only needs to pick a couple of different applications, and compare running 32bit vs. 64bit versions under the same kernel. I've done a limited amount of benching, but haven't kept the numbers. It's easy enough for people with the hardware to whip up some simple tests though. -- Mike A. Harris ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris OS Systems Engineer - XFree86 maintainer - Red Hat From mharris at redhat.com Sun Oct 19 19:18:15 2003 From: mharris at redhat.com (Mike A. Harris) Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 15:18:15 -0400 (EDT) Subject: AMD Athlon64 Systems In-Reply-To: References: <3F900950.8040407@cypress.com> <20031018070957.E2097@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 18 Oct 2003, Paul Jakma wrote: >> If anyone has information to the contrary however, I'm definitely >> open eared and eyed to have a look at their non-hypothetical test >> results. ;o) > >The point is though exactly that with AMD64 this argument is >hypothetical. The other posters are not talking about IA32 vs x86-64, >they're talking about x86-64 versus a hypothetical ILP32 ABI for >x86-64. All (i can think of at least) the other 64bit processors >support ILP32 ABIs, and apps do run faster because it. (MIPS even has >a 32bit ABI with 64bit doubles, MIPS n32 possibly). I'm more interested in real world scenarios than hypothetical scenarios when it comes to performance. Something that exists only as thoughts in someone's mind, but isn't a reality isn't useful to me while using a computer system to get real work done. As a side note - AMD64 supports 32bit pointers being used in 64bit applications, although I'm not sure wether or not our gcc (or any for that matter) support this yet. -mmodel=small alledgedly enables it, although I haven't tested that either. It'd be interesting to compare 64bit app with 32bit pointers against 32bit app performancewise. I'll probably experiment with that sometime for fun. ;o) -- Mike A. Harris ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris OS Systems Engineer - XFree86 maintainer - Red Hat From aoliva at redhat.com Sun Oct 19 19:21:20 2003 From: aoliva at redhat.com (Alexandre Oliva) Date: 19 Oct 2003 17:21:20 -0200 Subject: Second fedora test box (box from hell #1) In-Reply-To: <200310191835.h9JIZmq17575@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <200310191835.h9JIZmq17575@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: On Oct 19, 2003, Alan Cox wrote: > - Anaconda thinsk the version is 9.0.95 That's the indeed the anaconda version. Anaconda has traditionally been versioned after the release it's in, but this is no longer the case. -- Alexandre Oliva Enjoy Guarana', see http://www.ic.unicamp.br/~oliva/ Red Hat GCC Developer aoliva@{redhat.com, gcc.gnu.org} CS PhD student at IC-Unicamp oliva@{lsd.ic.unicamp.br, gnu.org} Free Software Evangelist Professional serial bug killer From mharris at redhat.com Sun Oct 19 19:21:43 2003 From: mharris at redhat.com (Mike A. Harris) Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 15:21:43 -0400 (EDT) Subject: AMD Athlon64 Systems In-Reply-To: <3F8F5956.3030003@speakeasy.net> References: <3F8E121B.2020103@speakeasy.net> <200310152120.55175.jkeating@j2solutions.net> <3F8E22A7.60005@speakeasy.net> <200310161121.04855.jkeating@j2solutions.net> <3F8F5956.3030003@speakeasy.net> Message-ID: On Thu, 16 Oct 2003, Robert L Cochran wrote: >I have a new question: would it be worthwhile investing in the >Athlon64 from a programming perspective? E.g. write 64 bit >programs while the rest of the world is still living on 32 bits? Hmmm... What exactly is a 64bit program? I've never written one. ;o) Seriously... One writes "computer software" - it's neither 32bit nor 64bit, not if it's done correctly. Recompile your application on a 32bit CPU, and it's a 32bit application, compile it on a 64bit CPU and it's a 64bit application. If you've coded it properly and not made 32bit tunnel vision assumptions in your code, it should run without source modifications on 64bit systems. That said, beware of making assumptions about the sizes of the standard C types in code, and things go rather smoothly. ;o) -- Mike A. Harris ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris OS Systems Engineer - XFree86 maintainer - Red Hat From jakub at redhat.com Sun Oct 19 19:25:38 2003 From: jakub at redhat.com (Jakub Jelinek) Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 15:25:38 -0400 Subject: AMD Athlon64 Systems In-Reply-To: ; from mharris@redhat.com on Sun, Oct 19, 2003 at 03:18:15PM -0400 References: <3F900950.8040407@cypress.com> <20031018070957.E2097@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20031019152538.F2097@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Sun, Oct 19, 2003 at 03:18:15PM -0400, Mike A. Harris wrote: > As a side note - AMD64 supports 32bit pointers being used in > 64bit applications, although I'm not sure wether or not our gcc > (or any for that matter) support this yet. -mmodel=small > alledgedly enables it, although I haven't tested that either. That's wrong. -mcmodel=small (which is BTW the default for -fno-pic code on x86_64-*-linux*) means that binary's code and data all fits into low 2GB of address space. Pointers are still 64-bit, as not pointers point to symbols in the binary. This is very different from the 32-bit ABI I was talking about. Jakub From jbinpg at shaw.ca Sun Oct 19 19:39:23 2003 From: jbinpg at shaw.ca (Jack Bowling) Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 12:39:23 -0700 Subject: CD 2 keeps giving me a wrong MD5 In-Reply-To: <7E68B34FA8BEEA46B805CE292A7D408C4CD2@vdl0003.vdlaan.yi.org.local> References: <7E68B34FA8BEEA46B805CE292A7D408C4CD2@vdl0003.vdlaan.yi.org.local> Message-ID: <20031019193923.GA2855@nonesuch.ca.shawcable.net> On Sun, Oct 19, 2003 at 12:19:29PM -0400, Aldert E. van der Laan wrote: > Here is the MD5Sum I pulled from the files I have so far: > > 2554dce37cb3beedb8973ba1d7706228 *severn-i386-disc2.iso > > And ALL of them are the same...... > > I did save the four downloads in four different directories. I am > downloading on a Win XP machine as I do not have a CD burner in my old > laptop. > > Did I manage to start downloading while the servers are being updated > (file dates are 10/10/2003). > I really want to start testing with this as my new laptop is due to > arrive in a month or so and I want to make sure my setup is still going > to work. Try burning with the -pad option if you can. I find it makes a difference on some readers. -- Jack Bowling mailto: jbinpg at shaw.ca From shrek-m at gmx.de Sun Oct 19 19:46:07 2003 From: shrek-m at gmx.de (shrek-m at gmx.de) Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 21:46:07 +0200 Subject: CD 2 keeps giving me a wrong MD5 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3F92E9FF.6010705@gmx.de> Tom Diehl wrote: >On a linux box run "md5sum -c MD5SUM" and either use the MD5SUM file >you got with your iso's or the one I sent you in the previous message. If you >do not have a linux box to do this on > > >there is a windoze program that will do >the same thing. I do not recall the name but google is your friend. > > why not md5sum.exe ;-) http://de.openoffice.org/about-downloads.html#suite http://etree.org/cgi-bin/counter.cgi/software/md5sum.exe could it be possible to provide the md5sum.exe on http://fedora.redhat.com/download/ or in fedora-core-1 /mnt/cdrom/dosutils/md5sum.exe ? i had never used it, but it could be useful for the windows-downloaders http://www.ibm.com/linux/ http://www.ibm.com/de/ -- shrek-m From tim at birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie Sun Oct 19 19:48:08 2003 From: tim at birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie (Timothy Murphy) Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 20:48:08 +0100 Subject: CD 2 keeps giving me a wrong MD5 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200310192048.09292.tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie> On Sunday 19 October 2003 19:24, Tom Diehl wrote: > (icarus pts7) # rsync > rsync://carroll.cac.psu.edu/redhat/redhat/linux/beta/severn/en/iso/i386/ Probably an ignorant quesiton, but I have Fedora Core release 2 (0.94, I IRC). If I access the rsync: URL above, will my ISOs be updated to release 3 without a full download? (I have a broadband limit of 3GB/month.) -- Timothy Murphy e-mail (<80k only): tim /at/ birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland From jrmizell at earthlink.net Sun Oct 19 20:15:40 2003 From: jrmizell at earthlink.net (John MIzell) Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 15:15:40 -0500 Subject: Alsa Sound system Message-ID: <1066594540.19061.1.camel@supernova> Is Alsa going to replace OSS as the default sound system in the next fedora release since we will be moving to the 2.6 kernel or is there reasons to keep OSS at that point? Thanx, John Mizell From nbirchler at earthlink.net Sun Oct 19 21:15:15 2003 From: nbirchler at earthlink.net (Neil Birchler) Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 16:15:15 -0500 Subject: gnome-mime-data rpm Message-ID: <1066598115.7739.1.camel@tower.steins.net> anyone know why the /usr/share/pixmaps/document-icons folder was stripped out of the gnome-mime-data rpm? all of the icons for the various mime types were in there. they were there in the RH 9 gnome-mime-data rpm. neil From redhat at olen.net Sun Oct 19 21:25:25 2003 From: redhat at olen.net (Ola Thoresen) Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 23:25:25 +0200 Subject: Reboots Message-ID: <20031019212525.GK9142@powertech.no> This might not be the right list, but hopefully some of the right people will read it anyway. I am currently working for a company with several linux servers, most of them running redhat. From time to time these will need a reboot. We have had nfsd-processes hanging around that never dies and eventually causes other processes to hang. We have had httpd-processes refusing to die and so on. This is not our main concern, as this is not very common - maybe once a year for each server - but with 50-60 servers this might turn out to be a reboot a week. The reality is not that bad, but from time to time a reboot must be issued. The main issue about a reboot is not the 5 ot 10 min. downtime when the server boots, but the fact that quite often, the reboot will not complete. When we reboot, it is because all other ways of resolving an issue is tested and have failed, and then, quite often, init 6 will not work either. Killall fails, so it hangs forever. The server does not manage to turn of swap, some disk can not be umounted or other such issues. There should be some sort of a timer that will _really_ kill the system if init 6 has not completed in N minutes. We can live with 10 minutes wait before the system reboots, but some of our servers are located in rooms and buildings where it is more or less impossible to get access out of business-hours, and we can not allways live with it offline for a whole weekend. This might be part of the discussion about faster shutdowns, but just please remember that certain reboots might be as important. Rgds. Ola Thoresen -- _,--', _._.--._____ .--.--';_'-.', ";_ _.,-' Ola Thoresen .'--'. _.' {`'-;_ .-.>.' '-:_ ) / `' '=. It is easier to fix Unix ) > {_/, /~) than to live with Windows |/ `^ .' -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available URL: From aoliva at redhat.com Sun Oct 19 21:38:54 2003 From: aoliva at redhat.com (Alexandre Oliva) Date: 19 Oct 2003 19:38:54 -0200 Subject: CD 2 keeps giving me a wrong MD5 In-Reply-To: <20031019193923.GA2855@nonesuch.ca.shawcable.net> References: <7E68B34FA8BEEA46B805CE292A7D408C4CD2@vdl0003.vdlaan.yi.org.local> <20031019193923.GA2855@nonesuch.ca.shawcable.net> Message-ID: On Oct 19, 2003, Jack Bowling wrote: > Try burning with the -pad option if you can. I find it makes a > difference on some readers. I found that disabling DMA is the only sure way to get around the problem. -pad works around it for some CD images, but not all of them. -- Alexandre Oliva Enjoy Guarana', see http://www.ic.unicamp.br/~oliva/ Red Hat GCC Developer aoliva@{redhat.com, gcc.gnu.org} CS PhD student at IC-Unicamp oliva@{lsd.ic.unicamp.br, gnu.org} Free Software Evangelist Professional serial bug killer From johnsonm at redhat.com Sun Oct 19 21:44:56 2003 From: johnsonm at redhat.com (Michael K. Johnson) Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 17:44:56 -0400 Subject: Supporting NTFS in the kernel In-Reply-To: <20031005135425.GD16491@redhat.com>; from davej@redhat.com on Sun, Oct 05, 2003 at 02:54:25PM +0100 References: <3F8014B9.5030601@zonnet.nl> <20031005135425.GD16491@redhat.com> Message-ID: <20031019174456.A22298@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Sun, Oct 05, 2003 at 02:54:25PM +0100, Dave Jones wrote: > On Sun, Oct 05, 2003 at 02:55:21PM +0200, Jaap A. Haitsma wrote: > > I would like it very much if the standard kernel would include the read > > driver for NTFS > > Won't happen due to potential patent problems. To clarify: Or until/unless it's demonstrated that there isn't a patent problem... Like many things in patent land, there is probably room for different interpretations and opinions, and it is possible that this might be clarified at some point. michaelkjohnson "He that composes himself is wiser than he that composes a book." Linux Application Development -- Ben Franklin http://people.redhat.com/johnsonm/lad/ From elwoo at videotron.ca Sun Oct 19 21:25:31 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 17:25:31 -0400 Subject: Second fedora test box (box from hell #1) In-Reply-To: <200310191835.h9JIZmq17575@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <200310191835.h9JIZmq17575@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <200310191725.31902.elwoo@videotron.ca> On October 19, 2003 02:35 pm, Alan Cox , > wrote: > Graphical install > - Anaconda thinsk the version is 9.0.95 ... well isn't Fedora Core Test 3 supposed to be "9.0.95"? Severn (beta 1)=9.0.93, Fedora Core Test2=9.0.94, right? > - Sane is missing the backend manual pages Did a "man sane" and the man page came up... I'm still irritated that I must always re-edit my /etc/sane.d/epson.conf file, though.... >-P Elton ;-) -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From elwoo at videotron.ca Sun Oct 19 21:34:49 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 17:34:49 -0400 Subject: [Bug 107443] New: redhat-config-xfree fails (was Re: "System Settings - Display" no longer functions) In-Reply-To: <1066430511.10124.6.camel@bart.netlyncs.com> References: <200310171616.55722.elwoo@videotron.ca> <1066430511.10124.6.camel@bart.netlyncs.com> Message-ID: <200310191734.49395.elwoo@videotron.ca> On October 17, 2003 06:41 pm, Mike Chambers , > wrote: > On Fri, 2003-10-17 at 15:16, Elton Woo wrote: > > Now when I run the display settings, it just "sits there"... selecting > > any changes, and "ok"... and nothing happens. Absolutely nothing. > > Looks like nVidia and XFree are really at odds with each other ...? > > Already known or being experienced... > > Bug #106501 No. Mike Harris corrected me on this. Bug #106501 seems to be specific to dual-head displays. Please refer to: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=107443 SUMMARY: redhat-config-xfree fails to run (i.e. does not do *anything*). versions: XFree86-4.3.0-40 redhat-config-xfree86-0.9.13-1 Kindly add comments, and observations as appropriate. TIA, Elton ;-) -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From elwoo at videotron.ca Sun Oct 19 21:45:00 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 17:45:00 -0400 Subject: kmail spell check In-Reply-To: <200310181622.13876.czar@czarc.net> References: <200310181622.13876.czar@czarc.net> Message-ID: <200310191745.00891.elwoo@videotron.ca> On October 18, 2003 04:22 pm, Gene C. , <"Gene C." > wrote: > The kmail in RHL9 had to ability to spell check a message. This seems to > be dropped in the new kedit (or at least I cannot find it). I am hoping it > is still there and that someone can point me to it. It *is* missing in the current version:1.5.4. Strangely, though, the handbook (version 1.5) still has this in section 3: "Checking the Spelling of your Message To check the spelling of your message, select Tools->Spelling.... KMail uses KSpell to check spelling, which is the KDE frontend to the ispell or aspell spelling checker. Note that you may first need to configure the spellchecker using Settings->Spellchecker...." However, the option to do so is NOT there.... Kspell *is* indeed present, as can be verified by loading kwrite, for example. Elton 8>\ -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From mharris at redhat.com Sun Oct 19 21:47:41 2003 From: mharris at redhat.com (Mike A. Harris) Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 17:47:41 -0400 (EDT) Subject: AMD Athlon64 Systems In-Reply-To: <20031019152538.F2097@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <3F900950.8040407@cypress.com> <20031018070957.E2097@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <20031019152538.F2097@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 19 Oct 2003, Jakub Jelinek wrote: >> As a side note - AMD64 supports 32bit pointers being used in >> 64bit applications, although I'm not sure wether or not our gcc >> (or any for that matter) support this yet. -mmodel=small >> alledgedly enables it, although I haven't tested that either. > >That's wrong. -mcmodel=small (which is BTW the default for -fno-pic >code on x86_64-*-linux*) means that binary's code and data all fits into >low 2GB of address space. Pointers are still 64-bit, as not pointers >point to symbols in the binary. Ok, however I did say "allegedly" indicating that I wasn't specifically sure. The discussion of this option occured well over a year ago, and I assumed the information I'd been given was correct. I haven't tested it. Nonetheless, wether or not gcc has an option to enable 32bit pointers in 64bit applications, and what the invocation of that option is - if it exists at all - I'm not sure. I am very sure however that AMD64 architecture does in fact support 32bit pointers in 64 bit applications, even if the gcc compiler can't do that. It can be done in assembler if one wants to use it bad enough, or it could be added to gcc in the future. It's quite obvious IMHO that most applications running on AMD64 architecture under a 64bit OS would benefit most from being compiled with 32bit pointers (as most apps do not need access to more than 4Gb of memory space), and 64bit native code (to get access to the extended registers, etc. This would minimize cache footprint significantly, while allowing the compiler to do fancy optimizations with the new registers that wouldn't be possible with just the x86 ones. Wether the 64bit size of the registers would benefit the particular code performancewise to the good, depends on the specific code however. If the code doesn't have any particular benefit of 64bit wide registers, then some cache would be wasted yes. However these processors have *gobs* of cache compared to x86 CPUs, so the increased cache usage IMHO is offset greatly by that to be negligible, and the benefits of the extra registers is more likely to make a difference than not. In order to measure the performance difference of course one needs to either handcraft assembler, or invoke gcc with the proper option. I was unable to find the proper option in the gcc info docs just now, so either I've missed it, it's not documented, or it isn't implemented in gcc. >This is very different from the 32-bit ABI I was talking about. Of course. 32bit pointers are useable right now, either via gcc if it supports it (still not clear to me), or via assembler. The former would be preferred, as the latter is only realistically viable for certian small optimization paths in certain applications for all the same reasons assembler isn't widely used in general. I'd still like to be able to test 32bit pointers in 64bit apps widescale and compare to 32/32 and 64/64 though. -- Mike A. Harris ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris OS Systems Engineer - XFree86 maintainer - Red Hat From elwoo at videotron.ca Sun Oct 19 21:51:30 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 17:51:30 -0400 Subject: Bug #102532 - bug still present in Fedora Core Test 3 Message-ID: <200310191751.30614.elwoo@videotron.ca> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=102532 SUMMARY: kmail creates *phantom messages* in inbound and outgoing boxes. Kindly add comments, and observations as appropriate. Thanks, Elton ;-) -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From elwoo at videotron.ca Sun Oct 19 22:04:30 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 18:04:30 -0400 Subject: new bug #107515. No spell-check option with kmail. Message-ID: <200310191804.30410.elwoo@videotron.ca> Kspell is available to other components such as kate and kwrite, yet is not available to kmail. See: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=107515 SUMMARY: kmail 1.5.4 does not have spell-check ability. NOTE: If doing a bugzilla search, use the string "kdenetwork". Kmail is no longer listed as a separate component for Fedora Core. Kindly add comments, and observations as appropriate. Thanks, Elton ;-) -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From elwoo at videotron.ca Sun Oct 19 22:12:35 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 18:12:35 -0400 Subject: new bug #107517. Incorrect icon for kaddressbook. Message-ID: <200310191812.35440.elwoo@videotron.ca> See: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=107517 SUMMARY:kde handbook icon is incorrect and confusing COMMENT:Not a very serious bug, addmittedly, but confusing, nonetheless... Elton ;-) -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From elwoo at videotron.ca Sun Oct 19 22:35:43 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 18:35:43 -0400 Subject: *dang*!!! can't get rid of an on-screen dialog (Xfree problem??) Message-ID: <200310191835.43743.elwoo@videotron.ca> The best way I can describe the problem is via the attached screen capture. I've tried to make the file as small as possible, so as not to overload anyone's mailbox. (attachment: dialog-freeze.png 48.8 k). This is a repeatable error. When I get a link in kmail, or konqueror (running under Gnome), and I *abort* a download ... as shown, the dialog hangs, and remains _in the foreground_. Any other windows (current, or newly started ones) are kept in the background ... even if I switch to another workspace. The only way I can get rid of the dialog window is to exit the desktop. Anyone else notice this? Could this be another conflict between Xfree and the nVidia drivers? Elton. (After I send this message, I'll have to logout to clear the screen.... <*sheesh*>!!!) -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From mharris at redhat.com Sun Oct 19 22:42:00 2003 From: mharris at redhat.com (Mike A. Harris) Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 18:42:00 -0400 (EDT) Subject: *dang*!!! can't get rid of an on-screen dialog (Xfree problem??) In-Reply-To: <200310191835.43743.elwoo@videotron.ca> References: <200310191835.43743.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: On Sun, 19 Oct 2003, Elton Woo wrote: >The best way I can describe the problem is via the attached screen capture. >I've tried to make the file as small as possible, so as not to overload >anyone's mailbox. (attachment: dialog-freeze.png 48.8 k). > >This is a repeatable error. When I get a link in kmail, or konqueror >(running under Gnome), and I *abort* a download ... as shown, the dialog >hangs, and remains _in the foreground_. Any other windows (current, or >newly started ones) are kept in the background ... even if I switch to another >workspace. The only way I can get rid of the dialog window is to exit >the desktop. > >Anyone else notice this? Could this be another conflict between Xfree and >the nVidia drivers? Very unlikely to be video driver or X server related. kill -9 the application that owns the dialog box, and I'm sure the dialog will go away. -- Mike A. Harris ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris OS Systems Engineer - XFree86 maintainer - Red Hat From truzzi at qwest.net Mon Oct 20 22:48:29 2003 From: truzzi at qwest.net (Paul) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 15:48:29 -0700 Subject: Up2date hangs at Testing Package Set References: <20031019211104.5328.59014.Mailman@listman.back-rdu.redhat.com> Message-ID: <002d01c3975c$4822c710$0200000a@ic7max3> I was updating from beta 2 to 3 via up2date. I grabbed the new kernel but started having problems with "Testing Package Set / Solving RPM Inter-dependencies". If I selected more than 8 or 10 packages it would just hang up and the status bar never even started. So I grabbed the update for up2date. Things started to get even worse. Now the inter-dependency check hangs even if I select one package ( I did wait 3-1/2 hours for it to do its thing). OK, now I'm a bit new to this so please if you can, give detailed suggestions. Like don't tell me to reload the old up2date becasuse I've always used up2date to do my updates. Where would I get that package etc.? Thanks Paul From stevewa at spiritone.com Sun Oct 19 22:53:22 2003 From: stevewa at spiritone.com (Steve Ward) Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 15:53:22 -0700 Subject: test-3 yum.conf broken In-Reply-To: <20031019211104.5328.59014.Mailman@listman.back-rdu.redhat.com> References: <20031019211104.5328.59014.Mailman@listman.back-rdu.redhat.com> Message-ID: <3F9315E2.80101@spiritone.com> Has anyone else noticed that the /etc/yum.conf installed with the yum RPM on CD #3 has a bogus configuration? Namely, distroverpkg=redhat-release needs to be replaced with distroverpkg=fedora-release From johnsonm at redhat.com Sun Oct 19 22:54:54 2003 From: johnsonm at redhat.com (Michael K. Johnson) Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 18:54:54 -0400 Subject: Speakup in kernel In-Reply-To: ; from wacker@octothorp.org on Thu, Oct 16, 2003 at 11:20:29PM -0600 References: <3163.142.167.72.162.1066313381.squirrel@mail.ceimaine.org> Message-ID: <20031019185454.B22298@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Thu, Oct 16, 2003 at 11:20:29PM -0600, William F. Acker WB2FLW +1-303-722-7209 wrote: > modularization. Only $DEITY knows if RH will ever put it back into the > kernel. Kernels for all supported versions of RHL/Fedora can be found at What we'd REALLY like to see is it cleaned up enough that it goes upstream. We're trying to move in the general direction of fewer patches carried indefinitely... michaelkjohnson "He that composes himself is wiser than he that composes a book." Linux Application Development -- Ben Franklin http://people.redhat.com/johnsonm/lad/ From elwoo at videotron.ca Sun Oct 19 22:56:27 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 18:56:27 -0400 Subject: *dang*!!! can't get rid of an on-screen dialog (Xfree problem??) In-Reply-To: References: <200310191835.43743.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <200310191856.27611.elwoo@videotron.ca> On October 19, 2003 06:42 pm, Mike A. Harris , <"Mike A. Harris" > wrote: > On Sun, 19 Oct 2003, Elton Woo wrote: > >This is a repeatable error. When I get a link in kmail, or konqueror > >(running under Gnome), and I *abort* a download ... as shown, the dialog > >hangs, and remains _in the foreground_. Any other windows (current, or > >Anyone else notice this? Could this be another conflict between Xfree and > >the nVidia drivers? > > Very unlikely to be video driver or X server related. kill -9 > the application that owns the dialog box, and I'm sure the dialog > will go away. Should I file a bug then? ... tghat would be kmail, from which I called up the link... Elton. -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Sun Oct 19 23:10:28 2003 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 19:10:28 -0400 Subject: test-3 yum.conf broken In-Reply-To: <3F9315E2.80101@spiritone.com> References: <20031019211104.5328.59014.Mailman@listman.back-rdu.redhat.com> <3F9315E2.80101@spiritone.com> Message-ID: <1066605028.3610.0.camel@binkley> On Sun, 2003-10-19 at 18:53, Steve Ward wrote: > Has anyone else noticed that the /etc/yum.conf installed with the yum > RPM on CD #3 has a bogus configuration? > the new yum release deals with this nicely. -sv From fedora at warmcat.com Sun Oct 19 23:23:24 2003 From: fedora at warmcat.com (Andy Green) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 00:23:24 +0100 Subject: Up2date hangs at Testing Package Set In-Reply-To: <002d01c3975c$4822c710$0200000a@ic7max3> References: <20031019211104.5328.59014.Mailman@listman.back-rdu.redhat.com> <002d01c3975c$4822c710$0200000a@ic7max3> Message-ID: <200310200023.24291.fedora@warmcat.com> On Monday 20 October 2003 23:48, Paul wrote: > I was updating from beta 2 to 3 via up2date. I grabbed the new kernel but > started having problems with "Testing Package Set / Solving RPM > Inter-dependencies". If I selected more than 8 or 10 packages it would > just hang up and the status bar never even started. So I grabbed the > update for up2date. Things started to get even worse. Now the > inter-dependency check hangs even if I select one package ( I did wait > 3-1/2 hours for it to do its thing). > > OK, now I'm a bit new to this so please if you can, give detailed > suggestions. Like don't tell me to reload the old up2date becasuse I've > always used up2date to do my updates. Where would I get that package etc.? I already suffered this.... I concluded the hang is caused by package interdependencies for some rpms that cannot be satisfied by the set of RPMs already installed. I'm really pleased to hear its not just me suffering these strange events :-) I did finally successfully update this machine to test3 by using up2date repeatedly to install all of the packages that could be installed without the hang, killing up2date if it did hang and trying again with half the packages deselected binary search-wise. In the end I had eight or ten packages that would hang up2date. I found out the URL being used by up2date to fetch the packages http://ftp.redhat.com/pub/redhat/linux/rawhide//i386/RedHat/RPMS/ and downloaded the bad boys by hand using a browser. When I installed by hand by rpm some complained about uninstalled dependencies -- this is what hung up2date I believe. One of the deps was rhgb needing libvte (package vte-*) for example. -Andy From whooperhsd3 at earthlink.net Sun Oct 19 23:29:14 2003 From: whooperhsd3 at earthlink.net (William Hooper) Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 19:29:14 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Up2date hangs at Testing Package Set In-Reply-To: <002d01c3975c$4822c710$0200000a@ic7max3> References: <20031019211104.5328.59014.Mailman@listman.back-rdu.redhat.com> <002d01c3975c$4822c710$0200000a@ic7max3> Message-ID: <65279.65.40.134.44.1066606154.squirrel@whooper.org> Paul said: > I was updating from beta 2 to 3 via up2date. I grabbed the new kernel but > started having problems with "Testing Package Set / Solving RPM > Inter-dependencies". If I selected more than 8 or 10 packages it would > just > hang up and the status bar never even started. So I grabbed the update > for > up2date. Things started to get even worse. Now the inter-dependency > check > hangs even if I select one package ( I did wait 3-1/2 hours for it to do > its > thing). Would you by chance be trying to load a noarch package? https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=107316 -- William Hooper From katzj at redhat.com Sun Oct 19 23:35:15 2003 From: katzj at redhat.com (Jeremy Katz) Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 19:35:15 -0400 Subject: Alsa Sound system In-Reply-To: <1066594540.19061.1.camel@supernova> References: <1066594540.19061.1.camel@supernova> Message-ID: <1066606515.1214.15.camel@edoras.local.net> On Sun, 2003-10-19 at 16:15, John MIzell wrote: > Is Alsa going to replace OSS as the default sound system in the next > fedora release since we will be moving to the 2.6 kernel or is there > reasons to keep OSS at that point? Yep, that's the current thinking at this point, at least, AFAIK. Building with the OSS compat will still be important for legacy apps, but I'm guessing that things that can be built or configured to use ALSA natively will be. Jeremy From cantisan at bol.com.br Sun Oct 19 23:33:42 2003 From: cantisan at bol.com.br (gsc) Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 21:33:42 -0200 Subject: lilo vs grub Message-ID: <3F931F56.4050400@bol.com.br> "- lilo ? GRUB is the recommended bootloader" recommended "means" obligation in this case... :-) Why is so hard to keep two boot loader ?! From benny+nospam at amorsen.dk Sun Oct 19 23:50:26 2003 From: benny+nospam at amorsen.dk (Benny Amorsen) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 01:50:26 +0200 Subject: AMD Athlon64 Systems In-Reply-To: References: <3F900950.8040407@cypress.com> <20031018070957.E2097@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1066478474.2818.3.camel@vega.amorsen.dk> Message-ID: <1066607426.2795.6.camel@vega.amorsen.dk> On 2003-10-19 at 21:07, Mike A. Harris wrote: > Feel free to debate amongst the nonbelievers however if you > wish... I haven't encountered any nonbelievers. Everyone knows that 32-bit mode is slower than 64-bit mode for the AMD64. The problem was statements like this: "AMD64 architecture provides more benefits to general 64bit apps than broken 64bit sparc processors do. ;o)" It is entirely clear that it is the AMD64-architecture that is broken for not providing a decent 32-bit mode. /Benny From mharris at redhat.com Mon Oct 20 01:22:57 2003 From: mharris at redhat.com (Mike A. Harris) Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 21:22:57 -0400 (EDT) Subject: *dang*!!! can't get rid of an on-screen dialog (Xfree problem??) In-Reply-To: <200310191856.27611.elwoo@videotron.ca> References: <200310191835.43743.elwoo@videotron.ca> <200310191856.27611.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: On Sun, 19 Oct 2003, Elton Woo wrote: >> >Anyone else notice this? Could this be another conflict between Xfree and >> >the nVidia drivers? >> >> Very unlikely to be video driver or X server related. kill -9 >> the application that owns the dialog box, and I'm sure the dialog >> will go away. >Should I file a bug then? ... tghat would be kmail, from which I called >up the link... If "killall -9 kmail" removes the dialog, yes. -- Mike A. Harris ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris OS Systems Engineer - XFree86 maintainer - Red Hat From mharris at redhat.com Mon Oct 20 01:29:34 2003 From: mharris at redhat.com (Mike A. Harris) Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 21:29:34 -0400 (EDT) Subject: AMD Athlon64 Systems In-Reply-To: <1066607426.2795.6.camel@vega.amorsen.dk> References: <3F900950.8040407@cypress.com> <20031018070957.E2097@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1066478474.2818.3.camel@vega.amorsen.dk> <1066607426.2795.6.camel@vega.amorsen.dk> Message-ID: On Mon, 20 Oct 2003, Benny Amorsen wrote: >> Feel free to debate amongst the nonbelievers however if you >> wish... > >I haven't encountered any nonbelievers. Everyone knows that 32-bit mode >is slower than 64-bit mode for the AMD64. The problem was statements >like this: > >"AMD64 architecture provides more benefits to general 64bit apps >than broken 64bit sparc processors do. ;o)" > >It is entirely clear that it is the AMD64-architecture that is broken >for not providing a decent 32-bit mode. I disagree. The AMD64 architecture provides a fully x86 compatible 32bit mode. The 32bit support is for legacy x86 application support only, at least that is what AMD is marketing it as. Speaking purely on technical grounds however, I'm under the assumption that it is technically possible to use some of the new processor features from within 32bit land. If you review all processor features closely, and processor setup, etc. it appears to me at least that it might be possible, however probably unsupported by AMD to access enhanced features documented to only be useable in 64bit mode from 32bit OS, etc. That however is not fact, but just hypothetical, and based on reading their documentation as well as some comments I've read from others. If it is actually indeed possible, I wouldn't be surprised to see games and other things doing nifty hacks to autodetect and use the processor's goodies. I doubt we'd see a new ABI form however unless there's significant interest in the hacker community to fiddle with it. If nothing else, it's all interesting in an academic sense. -- Mike A. Harris ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris OS Systems Engineer - XFree86 maintainer - Red Hat From JDrabb at tampabay.rr.com Mon Oct 20 01:33:40 2003 From: JDrabb at tampabay.rr.com (James Drabb) Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 21:33:40 -0400 Subject: Reboots In-Reply-To: <20031019212525.GK9142@powertech.no> References: <20031019212525.GK9142@powertech.no> Message-ID: <1066613620.15906.32.camel@keelie.tampabay.rr.com> On Sun, 2003-10-19 at 17:25, Ola Thoresen wrote: > This might not be the right list, but hopefully some of the right people will > read it anyway. > > I am currently working for a company with several linux servers, most of them > running redhat. From time to time these will need a reboot. We have had > nfsd-processes hanging around that never dies and eventually causes other > processes to hang. We have had httpd-processes refusing to die and so on. > This is not our main concern, as this is not very common - maybe once a year > for each server - but with 50-60 servers this might turn out to be a reboot a > week. The reality is not that bad, but from time to time a reboot must be > issued. > > The main issue about a reboot is not the 5 ot 10 min. downtime when the server > boots, but the fact that quite often, the reboot will not complete. > When we reboot, it is because all other ways of resolving an issue is tested > and have failed, and then, quite often, init 6 will not work either. > Killall fails, so it hangs forever. The server does not manage to turn of swap, > some disk can not be umounted or other such issues. > > There should be some sort of a timer that will _really_ kill the system if > init 6 has not completed in N minutes. > We can live with 10 minutes wait before the system reboots, but some of our > servers are located in rooms and buildings where it is more or less > impossible to get access out of business-hours, and we can not always live > with it offline for a whole weekend. > > This might be part of the discussion about faster shutdowns, but just > please remember that certain reboots might be as important. > > > Rgds. > > Ola Thoresen Are you running Red Hat? What version? We have a bunch of Red Hat AS 2.1 servers and they never go down. Do you have a competent admin for your Linux servers? You shouldn't be having these kinds of problems at all. You could have a few cron jobs that run at say 2:00 AM that stop nfs and apache and use killall -9 to make sure that the processes are dead and then start them back up. This may help from having issues ever show up. However, I think you should still look at how the servers are setup since you should not be having these types of problems in the first place, at least in my experience. Jim Drabb -- James Drabb Senior Programmer Analyst Davenport, FL USA From ms-nospam-0306 at arcor.de Mon Oct 20 02:22:32 2003 From: ms-nospam-0306 at arcor.de (Michael Schwendt) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 04:22:32 +0200 Subject: Second fedora test box (box from hell #1) In-Reply-To: <200310191725.31902.elwoo@videotron.ca> References: <200310191835.h9JIZmq17575@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <200310191725.31902.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <20031020042232.07c3c958.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Sun, 19 Oct 2003 17:25:31 -0400, Elton Woo wrote: > On October 19, 2003 02:35 pm, Alan Cox , > wrote: > > Graphical install > > - Anaconda thinsk the version is 9.0.95 > ... well isn't Fedora Core Test 3 supposed to be "9.0.95"? > Severn (beta 1)=9.0.93, Fedora Core Test2=9.0.94, right? 9.0.93 => 0.94 => 0.95 See /etc/fedora-release. - -- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD4DBQE/k0bo0iMVcrivHFQRArflAJ4r/CPYAhseSWAw+IN+XKlr/teZZQCXa04D KNZUv12im4M2M4q52RiwDA== =vinI -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From nsilva-list at aoi.atari-source.com Sun Oct 19 22:42:33 2003 From: nsilva-list at aoi.atari-source.com (Noah Silva [Mailing list]) Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 18:42:33 -0400 (EDT) Subject: gdm login usability In-Reply-To: <49912.216.195.161.198.1066339791.squirrel@mail.ceimaine.org> Message-ID: > >> and then Ximian Desktop 2 fixed that Tab key... but apparently that > >> change hasn't made out of ximian's version... > > > > Try using XD2 when you have a tab in your password that's a bit silly... that's like saying "try using gnome when you want to put a tab in the file-name, it keeps going to another field." The expected behavior for tab.. anywhere in gnome, and most other GUIs, is that it will change fields. -- noah silva From seandarcy at hotmail.com Mon Oct 20 02:50:52 2003 From: seandarcy at hotmail.com (sean darcy) Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 22:50:52 -0400 Subject: fedora-95 doesn't see pcmcia cards Message-ID: I'm installing fedora-95 on a Gateway Solo 5100. it has 2 pcmcia cards, which were found during installation and configured. On the first reboot, kudzu found neither card. When pcmcia started up I got: Yenta IRQ list 0c98 irq 9 Socket status: 30000010 [ one repeat ] then a hard freeze. power off didn't do it. I had to unplug it and take out the battery. Rebooted without pcmcia. Tried a pcmcia start. i got: Device eth0 has different MAC addres than expected, ignoring. cardmgr. Then another hard freeze. any help appreciated. sean _________________________________________________________________ Compare Cable, DSL or Satellite plans: As low as $29.95. https://broadband.msn.com From nsilva-list at aoi.atari-source.com Sun Oct 19 22:54:22 2003 From: nsilva-list at aoi.atari-source.com (Noah Silva [Mailing list]) Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 18:54:22 -0400 (EDT) Subject: acme? Message-ID: I could have sworn acme was in redhat 9, and I didn't think I saw it in the package removal list, but when I try to install on FC1T3, i get: >feklar# up2date install acme >The following packages you requested were not found: >install >acme Is there a reason why this was dropped, or was it accidental? (acme is the daemon that makes the volume keys, etc. work) -- noah silva From redhat-jc at insight.rr.com Mon Oct 20 02:54:42 2003 From: redhat-jc at insight.rr.com (Jim Cornette) Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 22:54:42 -0400 Subject: lilo vs grub In-Reply-To: <3F931F56.4050400@bol.com.br> References: <3F931F56.4050400@bol.com.br> Message-ID: <3F934E72.6080201@insight.rr.com> gsc wrote: > > "- lilo ? GRUB is the recommended boot loader" > recommended "means" obligation in this case... :-) > > Why is so hard to keep two boot loader ?! > I think that LILO and GRUB should both be included in the distribution. An important utility like a boot loader should have a backup version. I needed lilo to restore my ability to boot when I changed drives on the primary master. Grub failed on an intermediate stage and I would have not been able to boot my system successfully without having lilo. If it is a better choice for the eyes free mode for users. It makes even more sense to start including it again. Jim -- When you're not looking at it, this fortune is written in FORTRAN. From nsilva-list at aoi.atari-source.com Sun Oct 19 23:04:24 2003 From: nsilva-list at aoi.atari-source.com (Noah Silva [Mailing list]) Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 19:04:24 -0400 (EDT) Subject: New extra packages and yum repository In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > > I'd like to see the RSS-GLX included in redhat, or at least one of the > > fedora servers.. I have seen rss-gls packages by at least one other > > person, and by Ximian too... > > > > > - rss-glx-0.7.6-1 (screen savers, need new ImageMagick packages from > > > > If we're going to ship screen savers, we may as well ship good ones... > > As a counter-argument, though, there are enough problems with the GL-based > xscreensaver savers crashing X servers already, without adding more eye > candy into the mix which'll do the same (and if you look in bugzilla, you'll > find there are already bug reports in there from RSS crashing X servers) Well if GL based screen-savers are crashing X, then the GL libraries (or X, or the people's graphics cards) is/are broken. If it's broken enough that using it will crash the machine, then I would think it (OpenGL) shouldn't be in the default redhat install at all. On the other hand, I use all sorts of 3d stuff all the time in debian and redhat with no issues (Radeon 7000 VE). -- noah silva From nsilva-list at aoi.atari-source.com Sun Oct 19 23:06:01 2003 From: nsilva-list at aoi.atari-source.com (Noah Silva [Mailing list]) Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 19:06:01 -0400 (EDT) Subject: yum & kernel updates (rawhide-2.4/arjanv-2.6) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > > > Yum behavious mysteriously when mixing the 2.4/2.6 kernel repos. My > > > machine is an athlon box running latest rawhide. I try to use the > > > following with yum: > > > > > > rawhide: > > > ... > > > Problem 1: Cannot find the 2.6 kernel > > > > > > [root at dreamcast etc]# rpm -q kernel I have the opposite problem. Once I manually installed a 2.6 kernel to play with, yum won't auto-update my 2.4 kernel anymore. Also I noticed that when boot with 2.6, the mouse wheel of all things doesn't work. -- noah silva From nsilva-list at aoi.atari-source.com Sun Oct 19 23:07:48 2003 From: nsilva-list at aoi.atari-source.com (Noah Silva [Mailing list]) Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 19:07:48 -0400 (EDT) Subject: yum and proxy In-Reply-To: <1066243906.3818.30.camel@opus> Message-ID: > On Wed, 2003-10-15 at 14:20, Noah Silva [Mailing list] wrote: > > Yum appears not to work with basic authentication. > > > > are you saying yum doesn't work with basic authentication or yum via a > proxy doesn't work with basic auth? > I was saying it didn't work with the auth on the proxy. I haven't seen any yum sites requiring auth yet! -- noah silva From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Mon Oct 20 03:12:02 2003 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 23:12:02 -0400 Subject: yum & kernel updates (rawhide-2.4/arjanv-2.6) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1066619522.3610.2.camel@binkley> On Sun, 2003-10-19 at 19:06, Noah Silva [Mailing list] wrote: > > > > Yum behavious mysteriously when mixing the 2.4/2.6 kernel repos. My > > > > machine is an athlon box running latest rawhide. I try to use the > > > > following with yum: > > > > > > > > rawhide: > > > > ... > > > > Problem 1: Cannot find the 2.6 kernel > > > > > > > > [root at dreamcast etc]# rpm -q kernel > > I have the opposite problem. Once I manually installed a 2.6 kernel to > play with, yum won't auto-update my 2.4 kernel anymore. > > Also I noticed that when boot with 2.6, the mouse wheel of all things > doesn't work. why would it? - it has a newer kernel. -sv From tdiehl at rogueind.com Mon Oct 20 03:15:10 2003 From: tdiehl at rogueind.com (Tom Diehl) Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 23:15:10 -0400 (EDT) Subject: CD 2 keeps giving me a wrong MD5 In-Reply-To: <200310192048.09292.tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie> Message-ID: On Sun, 19 Oct 2003, Timothy Murphy wrote: > On Sunday 19 October 2003 19:24, Tom Diehl wrote: > > > (icarus pts7) # rsync > > rsync://carroll.cac.psu.edu/redhat/redhat/linux/beta/severn/en/iso/i386/ > > Probably an ignorant quesiton, but I have Fedora Core release 2 (0.94, I IRC). > If I access the rsync: URL above, will my ISOs be updated to release 3 > without a full download? > (I have a broadband limit of 3GB/month.) Yes, but how much you save depends on what the diffs actually are. This is what I did. -- ......Tom Registered Linux User #14522 http://counter.li.org tdiehl at rogueind.com My current SpamTrap -------> mtd123 at rogueind.com From redhat-jc at insight.rr.com Mon Oct 20 03:15:41 2003 From: redhat-jc at insight.rr.com (Jim Cornette) Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 23:15:41 -0400 Subject: Supporting NTFS in the kernel In-Reply-To: <20031019174456.A22298@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <3F8014B9.5030601@zonnet.nl> <20031005135425.GD16491@redhat.com> <20031019174456.A22298@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <3F93535D.5080901@insight.rr.com> Michael K. Johnson wrote: > On Sun, Oct 05, 2003 at 02:54:25PM +0100, Dave Jones wrote: > >>On Sun, Oct 05, 2003 at 02:55:21PM +0200, Jaap A. Haitsma wrote: >> > I would like it very much if the standard kernel would include the read >> > driver for NTFS >> >>Won't happen due to potential patent problems. > > > To clarify: Or until/unless it's demonstrated that there isn't a > patent problem... Like many things in patent land, there is > probably room for different interpretations and opinions, and it > is possible that this might be clarified at some point. > > michaelkjohnson > > "He that composes himself is wiser than he that composes a book." > Linux Application Development -- Ben Franklin > http://people.redhat.com/johnsonm/lad/ > Speaking of NTFS, I had to resort to XP for a media jukebox that only has a windows version of it's software. While I was using the OS. I noticed that my processor was running hot and the fans were on most of the time. I did have the processor go up to 72 C in Fedora once, but it usually runs around 40 - 45 C. Also after using Fedora most of the time. I found that when I launch XP. I have trouble with the synaptic integrated mouse for this laptop. It runs for awhile, then quits responding. If I reset the mouse from the control panel. It will run until I finish with the session. My main reason for asking about the synaptic strangeness in the other OS is because I was wondering if anything is being corrupted in the synaptic device by the kernel. Firmware, if this device so happens to have any. Jim -- Q: Why did the programmer call his mother long distance? A: Because that was her name. From redhat-jc at insight.rr.com Mon Oct 20 03:23:57 2003 From: redhat-jc at insight.rr.com (Jim Cornette) Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 23:23:57 -0400 Subject: Up2date hangs at Testing Package Set In-Reply-To: <002d01c3975c$4822c710$0200000a@ic7max3> References: <20031019211104.5328.59014.Mailman@listman.back-rdu.redhat.com> <002d01c3975c$4822c710$0200000a@ic7max3> Message-ID: <3F93554D.1070703@insight.rr.com> Paul wrote: > I was updating from beta 2 to 3 via up2date. I grabbed the new kernel but > started having problems with "Testing Package Set / Solving RPM > Inter-dependencies". If I selected more than 8 or 10 packages it would just > hang up and the status bar never even started. So I grabbed the update for > up2date. Things started to get even worse. Now the inter-dependency check > hangs even if I select one package ( I did wait 3-1/2 hours for it to do its > thing). > > OK, now I'm a bit new to this so please if you can, give detailed > suggestions. Like don't tell me to reload the old up2date because I've > always used up2date to do my updates. Where would I get that package etc.? > > Thanks > Paul > > Has the integrated yum in up2date been upgraded to Dukes version of yum? I think that I got this lockup when trying to download some files from a repository. Nils repository seemed to take an extremely long time to resolve dependencies. I use up2date and yum repositories more than running yum by itself. Jim From mark at mark.mielke.cc Mon Oct 20 03:28:11 2003 From: mark at mark.mielke.cc (Mark Mielke) Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 23:28:11 -0400 Subject: LILO In-Reply-To: <20031019170554.GO9369@rednote.net> References: <3F92B68A.6060403@bol.com.br> <65004.65.40.134.44.1066580558.squirrel@whooper.org> <20031019170554.GO9369@rednote.net> Message-ID: <20031020032811.GA2165@mark.mielke.cc> On Sun, Oct 19, 2003 at 01:05:55PM -0400, Janina Sajka wrote: > And a sad thing it is, too, for those of us requiring eyes-free booting > options. > Grub may be a step forward in many ways, but it's a step backwards for > the eyes-free user at this time. This isn't correct. Grub has a command line mode. Just push 'c'. Grub also supports installation via a serial line, which would allow for external text to speach boxes to function. As far as I know, LILO never supporter braille displays. My father is a blind Linux user (he is the current maintainer of BRLTTY, for reference) who uses grub as a boot loader. If you are talking about headless booting (as opposed to blind users), I suspect that this is easy to configure as well with grub... Why would you *not* use grub? Take a look at the features it provides far above and beyond what lilo provides... mark -- mark at mielke.cc/markm at ncf.ca/markm at nortelnetworks.com __________________________ . . _ ._ . . .__ . . ._. .__ . . . .__ | Neighbourhood Coder |\/| |_| |_| |/ |_ |\/| | |_ | |/ |_ | | | | | | \ | \ |__ . | | .|. |__ |__ | \ |__ | Ottawa, Ontario, Canada One ring to rule them all, one ring to find them, one ring to bring them all and in the darkness bind them... http://mark.mielke.cc/ From mark at mark.mielke.cc Mon Oct 20 03:33:24 2003 From: mark at mark.mielke.cc (Mark Mielke) Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 23:33:24 -0400 Subject: lilo vs grub In-Reply-To: <3F934E72.6080201@insight.rr.com> References: <3F931F56.4050400@bol.com.br> <3F934E72.6080201@insight.rr.com> Message-ID: <20031020033323.GB2165@mark.mielke.cc> On Sun, Oct 19, 2003 at 10:54:42PM -0400, Jim Cornette wrote: > I think that LILO and GRUB should both be included in the distribution. > An important utility like a boot loader should have a backup version. I > needed lilo to restore my ability to boot when I changed drives on the > primary master. > Grub failed on an intermediate stage and I would have not been able to > boot my system successfully without having lilo. Why didn't you have a backup grub partition? You didn't need lilo to boot. You happened to have lilo. Note the difference. Also, grub can be put stand-alone on a floppy that allows you to re-install grub without booting the system up. Lilo gives you nothing of this. > If it is a better choice for the eyes free mode for users. It makes even > more sense to start including it again. Why is it a better choice? Why does it make even more sense to start including again? I find lilo to be dangerous - if you don't run lilo after moving the kernel image, or installation a new kernel image, you are dead. Grub gives you several different options to work from. I see no reason why lilo should continue to be developed, or why it should be re-included into fedora or redhat. If you have a problem with how it works 'eyes free', your efforts would be better spent making suggestions to the grub developers, or even better, providing source code patches for them to work from. Cheers, mark -- mark at mielke.cc/markm at ncf.ca/markm at nortelnetworks.com __________________________ . . _ ._ . . .__ . . ._. .__ . . . .__ | Neighbourhood Coder |\/| |_| |_| |/ |_ |\/| | |_ | |/ |_ | | | | | | \ | \ |__ . | | .|. |__ |__ | \ |__ | Ottawa, Ontario, Canada One ring to rule them all, one ring to find them, one ring to bring them all and in the darkness bind them... http://mark.mielke.cc/ From redhat-jc at insight.rr.com Mon Oct 20 03:34:28 2003 From: redhat-jc at insight.rr.com (Jim Cornette) Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 23:34:28 -0400 Subject: fedora-95 doesn't see pcmcia cards In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3F9357C4.3050704@insight.rr.com> sean darcy wrote: > I'm installing fedora-95 on a Gateway Solo 5100. it has 2 pcmcia cards, > which were found during installation and configured. > > On the first reboot, kudzu found neither card. When pcmcia started up I > got: > > Yenta IRQ list 0c98 irq 9 > Socket status: 30000010 > [ one repeat ] > > then a hard freeze. power off didn't do it. I had to unplug it and take > out the battery. > > Rebooted without pcmcia. Tried a pcmcia start. i got: > > Device eth0 has different MAC addres than expected, ignoring. > cardmgr. > > Then another hard freeze. > > any help appreciated. > > sean > My computer locked up before on the pcmcia module and was resolved by adding acpi=on to the grub.conf file. I think that there are too many overlapped IRQs overlaping without acpi enabled. This seems to lockup people on devices that are not really at fault. I hope this works for you. ACPI is great for a lot of different things, other than irq management. Not an expert, Jim From ms-nospam-0306 at arcor.de Mon Oct 20 03:37:53 2003 From: ms-nospam-0306 at arcor.de (Michael Schwendt) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 05:37:53 +0200 Subject: CD 2 keeps giving me a wrong MD5 In-Reply-To: <200310192048.09292.tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie> References: <200310192048.09292.tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie> Message-ID: <20031020053753.6a86ed26.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Sun, 19 Oct 2003 20:48:08 +0100, Timothy Murphy wrote: > On Sunday 19 October 2003 19:24, Tom Diehl wrote: > > > (icarus pts7) # rsync > > rsync://carroll.cac.psu.edu/redhat/redhat/linux/beta/severn/en/iso/i386/ > > Probably an ignorant quesiton, but I have Fedora Core release 2 (0.94, I IRC). > If I access the rsync: URL above, will my ISOs be updated to release 3 > without a full download? > (I have a broadband limit of 3GB/month.) When I downloaded the 0.95 test release ISO images, I used the old approach of "tar"ing my complete fedora/0.94 tree of packages (which included all 0.94 updates) and naming the resulting 1.8 GiB file "severn-i386-disc1.iso" (and *disc2.iso and *disc3.iso, respectively) prior to using rsync. That saved me approximately 0.8 GiB and nearly doubled the download speed. Since I didn't sync the original 0.94 ISO images up to 0.95, I can't comment on how much gain that would yield. Probably less, because the high number of updated 0.94 packages would not be included. - -- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/k1iR0iMVcrivHFQRAp9cAKCE9aOqQlaCJXLOZs+na2fj5ceEPwCgh8Eb 53Fi824tnW5vNqvTRPwxmvM= =sX1Q -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From yinyang at eburg.com Mon Oct 20 04:09:41 2003 From: yinyang at eburg.com (Gordon Messmer) Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 21:09:41 -0700 Subject: acme? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3F936005.3010205@eburg.com> Noah Silva [Mailing list] wrote: > I could have sworn acme was in redhat 9, and I didn't think I saw it > in the package removal list, but when I try to install on FC1T3, i get: I'm pretty sure it was not. I don't know why not, though... From rnix at prometheon.net Mon Oct 20 04:13:33 2003 From: rnix at prometheon.net (Ryan Nix) Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 23:13:33 -0500 Subject: Boot time Message-ID: <3F9360ED.3050902@prometheon.net> Hello all! I'm a novice who still hasn't even compiled his first kernel, but has RH considered speeding up the boot-time? I saw this article on Slashdot and thought it looked pretty damn compelling. A quick bootup time would be a compelling feature (that and most of the other features that Windows Longhorn won't have until 2006!) I remember watching Triumph of the Nerds on PBS and Steve Jobs put it this way: "Getting the OS to boot 10 seconds faster was like saving 50 lives if you have millions of users!" http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-boot.html Ryan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smile_n.gif Type: image/gif Size: 144 bytes Desc: not available URL: From ehoover at mines.edu Mon Oct 20 04:26:49 2003 From: ehoover at mines.edu (Erich Hoover) Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 22:26:49 -0600 Subject: Installing 0.95 graphically with an ATI Radeon 9800 Message-ID: <000701c396c2$618e6690$0201a8c0@ERICH> > when it boots into X to continue the installation I'm presented with a white screen and mouse pointer before the entire machine locks-up and I have to do a hard reset. I'm using an ATI All-In-Wonder Radeon 9800 Pro, it also experiences this problem when Anaconda loads to X. I'm going to try your suggestions to see if I can get a working install. What's funny is Anaconda for RH9 works fine, I'm assuming the Fedora installer is an upgraded version of the same installer. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From notting at redhat.com Mon Oct 20 05:02:55 2003 From: notting at redhat.com (Bill Nottingham) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 01:02:55 -0400 Subject: Kudzu mouse detect In-Reply-To: <1066579551.13416.38.camel@ripley>; from bcs@metacon.ca on Sun, Oct 19, 2003 at 01:05:51PM -0300 References: <3F928ABA.5000004@tech-access.com> <1066579551.13416.38.camel@ripley> Message-ID: <20031020010255.C1267@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Ben Steeves (bcs at metacon.ca) said: > > Is this a known issue, - maybe a side effect of the rhgb? > > I never thought of that... The PS/2 probe is not run under RHGB, as it will not work right in that cirucmstance. Bill From notting at redhat.com Mon Oct 20 05:05:20 2003 From: notting at redhat.com (Bill Nottingham) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 01:05:20 -0400 Subject: acme? In-Reply-To: ; from nsilva-list@aoi.atari-source.com on Sun, Oct 19, 2003 at 06:54:22PM -0400 References: Message-ID: <20031020010520.D1267@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Noah Silva [Mailing list] (nsilva-list at aoi.atari-source.com) said: > >feklar# up2date install acme > >The following packages you requested were not found: > >install > >acme > > Is there a reason why this was dropped, or was it accidental? It wasn't dropped, it wasn't there before. Bill From jimhayward at earthlink.net Mon Oct 20 05:09:46 2003 From: jimhayward at earthlink.net (Jim Hayward) Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 22:09:46 -0700 Subject: acme? In-Reply-To: <3F936005.3010205@eburg.com> References: <3F936005.3010205@eburg.com> Message-ID: <1066626586.3905.117.camel@garfield.linux.localdomain> On Sun, 2003-10-19 at 21:09, Gordon Messmer wrote: > Noah Silva [Mailing list] wrote: > > I could have sworn acme was in redhat 9, and I didn't think I saw it > > in the package removal list, but when I try to install on FC1T3, i get: > > I'm pretty sure it was not. I don't know why not, though... It wasn't. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=88014 Quoting... Additional Comment #1 From Havoc Pennington on 2003-04-04 13:11 ACME is wrong UI-wise, it should not need to be a separate user-visible thing. Bugs filed with GNOME upstream, the functionality should be done differently in future GNOME versions and then we'll include it. Regards, Jim H From jimhayward at earthlink.net Mon Oct 20 05:17:06 2003 From: jimhayward at earthlink.net (Jim Hayward) Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 22:17:06 -0700 Subject: can make the red hat icon replaceable ? In-Reply-To: <3F911164.1070909@asahi-net.or.jp> References: <3F911164.1070909@asahi-net.or.jp> Message-ID: <1066627026.3905.126.camel@garfield.linux.localdomain> On Sat, 2003-10-18 at 03:09, Hirano Kazunari wrote: > Let me say something about the red hat icon, leftmost icon on the panel. > Is it possible to make it replaceable? Sometimes I want to see another > icon for it. You can change it now. I use the GNOME footprint on my menu. You can either change it using the gconf editor or change it from the command line. These will wrap. They are each on one line. You have to restart the GNOME panel or logout/login for the changes to take effect. This is assuming this icon is on your system. gconftool-2 --set /apps/panel/profiles/default/objects/main_menu/custom-icon -t bool true gconftool-2 --type string --set /apps/panel/profiles/default/objects/main_menu/custom-icon-file /usr/share/pixmaps/gnome-logo-icon-transparent.png > If we can see its properties menu when right-clicking it > and change the icon, it will be fine for me. You should file this as an RFE upstream at http://bugzilla.gnome.org/ if you want to be able to change it via the panel properties. Regards, Jim H From pcompton at proteinmedia.com Mon Oct 20 05:21:42 2003 From: pcompton at proteinmedia.com (Phillip Compton) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 01:21:42 -0400 Subject: acme? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1066627302.2998.0.camel@GreenTea> On Sun, 2003-10-19 at 18:54, Noah Silva [Mailing list] wrote: > I could have sworn acme was in redhat 9, and I didn't think I saw it > in the package removal list, but when I try to install on FC1T3, i get: > > >feklar# up2date install acme > >The following packages you requested were not found: > >install > >acme > > Is there a reason why this was dropped, or was it accidental? > > (acme is the daemon that makes the volume keys, etc. work) > Acme is in the QA queue for fedora.us. If you need it, you could grab the SRPM. Also, feel free to help with QA. Phil From joe at tmsusa.com Mon Oct 20 07:00:52 2003 From: joe at tmsusa.com (Joe) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 00:00:52 -0700 Subject: Xfree GL still does not coexist with the nVidia drivers In-Reply-To: <200310171320.06015.elwoo@videotron.ca> References: <200310161642.32985.elwoo@videotron.ca> <200310171320.06015.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <3F938824.5040107@tmsusa.com> Elton Woo wrote: >I'm starting to wonder if my next video card upgrade should be >an ATI or Matrox instead. Both are made in Canada, and Matrox >is in Montreal West. > > Nah, after your box keeps locking up solid just from starting up an OpenGL game, you'll dump the ATI and put the nvidia back in :-) I've been there - Joe From rpjday at mindspring.com Mon Oct 20 07:06:32 2003 From: rpjday at mindspring.com (Robert P. J. Day) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 03:06:32 -0400 (EDT) Subject: yum & kernel updates (rawhide-2.4/arjanv-2.6) In-Reply-To: <1066619522.3610.2.camel@binkley> Message-ID: On Sun, 19 Oct 2003, seth vidal wrote: > On Sun, 2003-10-19 at 19:06, Noah Silva [Mailing list] wrote: > > Also I noticed that when boot with 2.6, the mouse wheel of all things > > doesn't work. > > why would it? - it has a newer kernel. the mouse wheel on my logitech optical mouse works just fine with the 2.6.0-test7 kernel. rday From redhat at olen.net Mon Oct 20 07:13:31 2003 From: redhat at olen.net (Ola Thoresen) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 09:13:31 +0200 Subject: Reboots In-Reply-To: <1066613620.15906.32.camel@keelie.tampabay.rr.com> References: <20031019212525.GK9142@powertech.no> <1066613620.15906.32.camel@keelie.tampabay.rr.com> Message-ID: <20031020071330.GL9142@powertech.no> On Sun, Oct 19, 2003 at 09:33:40PM -0400, James Drabb wrote: > On Sun, 2003-10-19 at 17:25, Ola Thoresen wrote: > > Are you running Red Hat? What version? We have a bunch of Red Hat AS > 2.1 servers and they never go down. Do you have a competent admin for > your Linux servers? You shouldn't be having these kinds of problems at > all. You could have a few cron jobs that run at say 2:00 AM that stop > nfs and apache and use killall -9 to make sure that the processes are > dead and then start them back up. This may help from having issues ever > show up. However, I think you should still look at how the servers are > setup since you should not be having these types of problems in the > first place, at least in my experience. > Ok. Would it make you more happy if i rephrased to something like ?From time to time there are serious bugs in the kernel which requires immediate upgrades, or we might experience kernel oopses that might keep the system running, but will disable certain hardware, such as raid controllers...? The point is that thare _are_ situations where a reboot is the only solution, and there are situations where a reboot might be the simplest and quickest solution - even with Linux. And in these situations, we do experience from time to time that the system will not shut down properly, but hang around in the shutdown process "forever" (or until someone comes hands on to press "reset"). Yes, I know there are hardware available that will make it possible to powerswitch the systems remotely, but this might not allways be a feasible solution. That is why I hope the discussion about shutdown time also will lead to a shutdown process that is really shutting down - or rebooting - the system, every time, in every situation - no matter what some process might be waiting for. Rgds. Ola Thoresen -- _,--', _._.--._____ .--.--';_'-.', ";_ _.,-' Ola Thoresen .'--'. _.' {`'-;_ .-.>.' '-:_ ) / `' '=. It is easier to fix Unix ) > {_/, /~) than to live with Windows |/ `^ .' -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available URL: From felipe_alfaro at linuxmail.org Mon Oct 20 07:30:58 2003 From: felipe_alfaro at linuxmail.org (Felipe Alfaro Solana) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 09:30:58 +0200 Subject: Up2date hangs at Testing Package Set In-Reply-To: <200310200023.24291.fedora@warmcat.com> References: <20031019211104.5328.59014.Mailman@listman.back-rdu.redhat.com> <002d01c3975c$4822c710$0200000a@ic7max3> <200310200023.24291.fedora@warmcat.com> Message-ID: <1066635058.1333.1.camel@teapot.felipe-alfaro.com> On Mon, 2003-10-20 at 01:23, Andy Green wrote: > > OK, now I'm a bit new to this so please if you can, give detailed > > suggestions. Like don't tell me to reload the old up2date becasuse I've > > always used up2date to do my updates. Where would I get that package etc.? > > I already suffered this.... I concluded the hang is caused by package > interdependencies for some rpms that cannot be satisfied by the set of RPMs > already installed. > > I'm really pleased to hear its not just me suffering these strange events :-) > > I did finally successfully update this machine to test3 by using up2date > repeatedly to install all of the packages that could be installed without the > hang, killing up2date if it did hang and trying again with half the packages > deselected binary search-wise. > > In the end I had eight or ten packages that would hang up2date. I found out > the URL being used by up2date to fetch the packages > > http://ftp.redhat.com/pub/redhat/linux/rawhide//i386/RedHat/RPMS/ > > and downloaded the bad boys by hand using a browser. When I installed by hand > by rpm some complained about uninstalled dependencies -- this is what hung > up2date I believe. One of the deps was rhgb needing libvte (package vte-*) > for example. I have been suffering the same strange up2date behavior. I found that up2date was not really hanged, but it was downloading header "hdr" files for every know platform (i386, i686, ppc64, ia64) so it could take ages to complete. I solved my problem by manually upgrading to the latest up2date version from the rawhide repository. From fedora at warmcat.com Mon Oct 20 07:38:25 2003 From: fedora at warmcat.com (Andy Green) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 08:38:25 +0100 Subject: Up2date hangs at Testing Package Set In-Reply-To: <1066635058.1333.1.camel@teapot.felipe-alfaro.com> References: <20031019211104.5328.59014.Mailman@listman.back-rdu.redhat.com> <200310200023.24291.fedora@warmcat.com> <1066635058.1333.1.camel@teapot.felipe-alfaro.com> Message-ID: <200310200838.25443.fedora@warmcat.com> On Monday 20 October 2003 08:30, Felipe Alfaro Solana wrote: Hi Felipe - (Do I not recall your name from the XP beta :?) ) > > I already suffered this.... I concluded the hang is caused by package > > interdependencies for some rpms that cannot be satisfied by the set of > > RPMs already installed. > I have been suffering the same strange up2date behavior. I found that > up2date was not really hanged, but it was downloading header "hdr" files > for every know platform (i386, i686, ppc64, ia64) so it could take ages > to complete. I think these may be two different behaviours. The behaviour I described is a hang with no CPU or network activity, and requires a kill -9 to stop the process. Further it occured still with the up2date of yesterday. I think this particular problem is due to a situation where up2date cannot handle the error condition back from rpm that there are unsatisfied dependencies and perhaps it continues to sit there stalled optimistically hoping for a success error condition. Additionally, in a previous up2date version I did see the UI fill up with all those ia64 etc versions, that was a couple of weeks ago and went away when I updated up2date itself. -Andy From seanc at tech-access.com Mon Oct 20 07:55:51 2003 From: seanc at tech-access.com (Sean Craig) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 11:55:51 +0400 Subject: Kudzu mouse detect In-Reply-To: <20031020010255.C1267@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <3F928ABA.5000004@tech-access.com> <1066579551.13416.38.camel@ripley> <20031020010255.C1267@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <3F939507.2090605@tech-access.com> Why (technically) will the probe 'not work'? Does the probe fail / hang, or it it something more device-handler-related? Not knowing the specifics, I don't see why there would be a problem probing PS/2 when the system thinks it's using a USB device ..... enlighten me please ... regards Sean Craig Bill Nottingham wrote: >Ben Steeves (bcs at metacon.ca) said: > > >>>Is this a known issue, - maybe a side effect of the rhgb? >>> >>> >>I never thought of that... >> >> > >The PS/2 probe is not run under RHGB, as it will not work right >in that cirucmstance. > >Bill >-- >fedora-test-list mailing list >fedora-test-list at redhat.com >http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > From joe at tmsusa.com Mon Oct 20 08:10:07 2003 From: joe at tmsusa.com (Joe) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 01:10:07 -0700 Subject: CD 2 keeps giving me a wrong MD5 - FIXED In-Reply-To: <7E68B34FA8BEEA46B805CE292A7D408C4CD3@vdl0003.vdlaan.yi.org.local> References: <7E68B34FA8BEEA46B805CE292A7D408C4CD3@vdl0003.vdlaan.yi.org.local> Message-ID: <3F93985F.8060002@tmsusa.com> Aldert E. van der Laan wrote: >Well one last try to download it, thank God for high speed internet, >succeeded. >I used the FTP client from Linux this time instead of the Windows FTP >client. > > Ah, mozilla? or did you mean ncftp? or lftp? or lynx? or? Just curious - Joe From linuxnow at newtral.org Mon Oct 20 08:19:37 2003 From: linuxnow at newtral.org (Pau Aliagas) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 10:19:37 +0200 (CEST) Subject: FYI: Beta 3 Installation Issues In-Reply-To: <20031019153412.GC986@linnie.riede.org> Message-ID: On Sun, 19 Oct 2003, Willem Riede wrote: > On 2003.10.15 10:43, pjain001 at covad.net wrote: > > Curious if anyone else had the same problem. > > Yes. This is what I got: > > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "/usr/lib/anaconda/gui.py", line 766, in nextClicked > self.dispatch.gotoNext() > File "/usr/lib/anaconda/dispatch.py", line 168, in gotoNext > self.moveStep() > File "/usr/lib/anaconda/dispatch.py", line 236, in moveStep > rc = apply(func, self.bindArgs(args)) > File "/usr/lib/anaconda/upgrade.py", line 530, in upgradeFindPackages > (h[rpm.RPMTAG_EPOCH], h[rpm.RPMTAG_VERSION], > TypeError: argument 2, item 0 must be string or None, not int > .... > and then there's a ton of internal data, that I can make available if anyone > wants it. > > But, given that such beta->beta upgrades are not supported, and the install > (rather than upgrade) of this test box succeeded, I doubt anyone cares... The same happened to me. I've been upgrading using rawhide, so I suppose I'm up to date. Pau From alan at redhat.com Mon Oct 20 08:27:49 2003 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 04:27:49 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Up2date hangs at Testing Package Set In-Reply-To: <002d01c3975c$4822c710$0200000a@ic7max3> from "Paul" at Hyd 20, 2003 03:48:29 Message-ID: <200310200827.h9K8Rn815916@devserv.devel.redhat.com> > Inter-dependencies". If I selected more than 8 or 10 packages it would just > hang up and the status bar never even started. So I grabbed the update for > up2date. Things started to get even worse. Now the inter-dependency check > hangs even if I select one package ( I did wait 3-1/2 hours for it to do its > thing). I see the same with any dependancy cases. Yum correctly resolved the same problem set however. From reader at newsguy.com Mon Oct 20 08:56:22 2003 From: reader at newsguy.com (Harry Putnam) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 03:56:22 -0500 Subject: Xdefaults - antique Message-ID: The .Xdefaults file I've carting around for years seems to have no effect. Can it still be made to work? From mharris at redhat.com Mon Oct 20 09:07:27 2003 From: mharris at redhat.com (Mike A. Harris) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 05:07:27 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Xdefaults - antique In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, 20 Oct 2003, Harry Putnam wrote: >Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 03:56:22 -0500 >From: Harry Putnam >To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >List-Id: For testers of Red Hat Linux beta releases > >Subject: Xdefaults - antique > >The .Xdefaults file I've carting around for years seems to have no >effect. Can it still be made to work? .Xdefaults was replaced by .Xresources in XFree86 4.0, however Red Hat Linux kept backward compatibility for a couple of OS releases and honoured the .Xdefaults temporarily. Move your changes to .Xresources preferably. Hope this helps. -- Mike A. Harris ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris OS Systems Engineer - XFree86 maintainer - Red Hat From aldert at vdlaan.yi.org Mon Oct 20 09:21:27 2003 From: aldert at vdlaan.yi.org (Aldert E. van der Laan) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 05:21:27 -0400 Subject: CD 2 keeps giving me a wrong MD5 - FIXED Message-ID: <7E68B34FA8BEEA46B805CE292A7D408C4CD5@vdl0003.vdlaan.yi.org.local> Sorry should have been clearer it was gFTP. Cheers, Aldert -----Original Message----- From: Joe [mailto:joe at tmsusa.com] Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 4:10 AM To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com Subject: Re: CD 2 keeps giving me a wrong MD5 - FIXED Aldert E. van der Laan wrote: >Well one last try to download it, thank God for high speed internet, >succeeded. >I used the FTP client from Linux this time instead of the Windows FTP >client. > > Ah, mozilla? or did you mean ncftp? or lftp? or lynx? or? Just curious - Joe -- fedora-test-list mailing list fedora-test-list at redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From manfred.h at gmx.net Mon Oct 20 09:36:08 2003 From: manfred.h at gmx.net (Manfred Hollstein) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 11:36:08 +0200 Subject: Xdefaults - antique In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20031020093608.GB7166@merkur.hollstein.net.suse.de> On Mon, 20 Oct 2003, 10:56:22 +0200, Harry Putnam wrote: > The .Xdefaults file I've carting around for years seems to have no > effect. Can it still be made to work? Try creating a symbolic link to .Xresources. Works for me then. HTH, cheers. l8er manfred From cantisan at bol.com.br Mon Oct 20 09:47:00 2003 From: cantisan at bol.com.br (cantisan) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 07:47:00 -0200 Subject: Lilo vs Grub Message-ID: If Lilo was removed, why we have Gnome and KDE ? Let?s remove it ! My vote is for KDE ! :-) __________________________________________________________________________ Acabe com aquelas janelinhas que pulam na sua tela. AntiPop-up UOL - ? gr?tis! http://antipopup.uol.com.br/ From felipe_alfaro at linuxmail.org Mon Oct 20 10:50:21 2003 From: felipe_alfaro at linuxmail.org (Felipe Alfaro Solana) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 12:50:21 +0200 Subject: Up2date hangs at Testing Package Set In-Reply-To: <200310200838.25443.fedora@warmcat.com> References: <20031019211104.5328.59014.Mailman@listman.back-rdu.redhat.com> <200310200023.24291.fedora@warmcat.com> <1066635058.1333.1.camel@teapot.felipe-alfaro.com> <200310200838.25443.fedora@warmcat.com> Message-ID: <1066647021.933.4.camel@teapot.felipe-alfaro.com> On Mon, 2003-10-20 at 09:38, Andy Green wrote: > On Monday 20 October 2003 08:30, Felipe Alfaro Solana wrote: > > Hi Felipe - > > (Do I not recall your name from the XP beta :?) ) Yep! I was on the XP beta, and also on 2000 and Me :-) Back from the dark side? ;-) > > I have been suffering the same strange up2date behavior. I found that > > up2date was not really hanged, but it was downloading header "hdr" files > > for every know platform (i386, i686, ppc64, ia64) so it could take ages > > to complete. > > I think these may be two different behaviours. The behaviour I described is a > hang with no CPU or network activity, and requires a kill -9 to stop the > process. Further it occured still with the up2date of yesterday. I think > this particular problem is due to a situation where up2date cannot handle the > error condition back from rpm that there are unsatisfied dependencies and > perhaps it continues to sit there stalled optimistically hoping for a success > error condition. I have been suffering from the behavior you describe sometimes in the past. However, after uprading to the latest up2date version in Rawhide, I've unable to reproduce any hangs or misbehavior. Cross fingers! > Additionally, in a previous up2date version I did see the UI fill up with all > those ia64 etc versions, that was a couple of weeks ago and went away when I > updated up2date itself. I tend to use the ncurses-based up2date instead of the graphical one. Thus, I didn't notice the ia64 and ppc64 stuff till I looked into /var/spool/up2date directory. I'll try using the GUI up2date for a while to see if it keeps downloading the wrong architecture files. Thanks! From davej at redhat.com Mon Oct 20 11:10:00 2003 From: davej at redhat.com (Dave Jones) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 12:10:00 +0100 Subject: Second fedora test box (box from hell #1) In-Reply-To: <200310191835.h9JIZmq17575@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <200310191835.h9JIZmq17575@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20031020110959.GA9153@redhat.com> On Sun, Oct 19, 2003 at 02:35:48PM -0400, Alan Cox wrote: > - Incredibly slow initially until I took some ram out- looks like > the BIOS can't set up MTRR's right and the kernel still cant fix > them up. Interesting. How much RAM, what CPU, and what did /proc/mtrr look like ? Dave -- Dave Jones http://www.codemonkey.org.uk From tim at birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie Mon Oct 20 11:23:59 2003 From: tim at birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie (Timothy Murphy) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 12:23:59 +0100 Subject: lilo vs grub In-Reply-To: <20031020033323.GB2165@mark.mielke.cc> References: <3F931F56.4050400@bol.com.br> <3F934E72.6080201@insight.rr.com> <20031020033323.GB2165@mark.mielke.cc> Message-ID: <200310201224.00455.tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie> On Monday 20 October 2003 04:33, Mark Mielke wrote: > > If it is a better choice for the eyes free mode for users. It makes even > > more sense to start including it again. > > Why is it a better choice? Why does it make even more sense to start > including again? I use grub, but I can think of at least 3 things to be said for LILO. 1. The documentation is infinitely better. 2. tomsrtbt has LILO on it but not grub (unless there has been a change in the newest version). 3. I believe LILO can be configured to boot up a different kernel just once. As far as I know there is no way to do this with grub. Also, are you quite sure there are no hardware combinations that the latest LILO can deal with but not the latest grub? Personally the decision does not affect me as I never use LILO, but I find the attitude of dispensing with LILO because someone has decreed that grub is better slightly frightening. (I'm just thinking I can't get ALSA to work on that ancient sound-card.) -- Timothy Murphy e-mail (<80k only): tim /at/ birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland From seanc at tech-access.com Mon Oct 20 11:33:26 2003 From: seanc at tech-access.com (Sean Craig) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 15:33:26 +0400 Subject: RealPlayer9 - floating point exception Message-ID: <3F93C806.1070603@tech-access.com> Hi All, I remember a thread on this list regarding RealPlayer 9. At the time, I downloaded the rpm (RealPlayer9-9.0.7.151-4.i386.rpm) and all was good. I have applied all the FC t3 updates since then, and I now get 'floating point exception' before realplayer croaks. Anybody knows what broke real? Any pointers on how I can check what's breaking? thanks Sean Craig From mike at netlyncs.com Mon Oct 20 11:54:59 2003 From: mike at netlyncs.com (Mike Chambers) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 06:54:59 -0500 Subject: nmbd messages Message-ID: <1066650899.9245.6.camel@bart.netlyncs.com> I am seeing these messages in my message log and often. Is this anything to worry about? Oct 19 03:02:25 homer nmbd[1736]: [2003/10/19 03:02:24, 0] nmbd/nmbd.c:process(540) Oct 19 03:02:25 homer nmbd[1736]: Got SIGHUP dumping debug info. Oct 19 03:02:25 homer nmbd[1736]: [2003/10/19 03:02:25, 0] nmbd/nmbd_workgroupdb.c:dump_workgroups(266) Oct 19 03:02:25 homer nmbd[1736]: dump_workgroups() Oct 19 03:02:25 homer nmbd[1736]: dump workgroup on subnet 192.168.1.4: netmask= 255.255.255.0: Oct 19 03:02:25 homer nmbd[1736]: ^INETLYNCS.COM(1) current master browser = MARGE Oct 19 03:02:25 homer nmbd[1736]: ^I^IHOMER 40009803 (homer) Oct 19 03:02:25 homer nmbd[1736]: ^I^IMARGE 40051203 () -- Mike Chambers Madisonville, KY "Can you hear me now?....GOOD!" From fedora at warmcat.com Mon Oct 20 12:11:20 2003 From: fedora at warmcat.com (Andy Green) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 13:11:20 +0100 Subject: Up2date hangs at Testing Package Set In-Reply-To: <1066647021.933.4.camel@teapot.felipe-alfaro.com> References: <20031019211104.5328.59014.Mailman@listman.back-rdu.redhat.com> <200310200838.25443.fedora@warmcat.com> <1066647021.933.4.camel@teapot.felipe-alfaro.com> Message-ID: <200310201311.20850.fedora@warmcat.com> On Monday 20 October 2003 11:50, Felipe Alfaro Solana wrote: > Yep! I was on the XP beta, and also on 2000 and Me :-) > Back from the dark side? ;-) I had an epiphany ~3 years ago when I was on the phone to MSFT being asked to explain to them why I was reactivating my complimentary copy of XP before they would give me a new activation code. I was putting it on another machine that would live under the stairs and do fileserving, but what possible business was it of a corporation like MSFT? They gave me the code in the end, but I nuked it and put RH7.3 on it. Since then they never had another penny from me and I don't think they ever will, nor will I support their betas. If I am going to fiddle with software problems better to support OSS. I still have XP on a vmware "partition" because I have two electronics design apps I must use that cannot work under wine or Crossover Office. But their whole platform is legacy, superceded by Linux already. > I have been suffering from the behavior you describe sometimes in the > past. However, after uprading to the latest up2date version in Rawhide, > I've unable to reproduce any hangs or misbehavior. Cross fingers! Seems to me its to do with the current state of installed rpms, sounds like you have a good working set of them and I didn't. I guess I'll find out next time there's some new stuff in rawhide, since I am fully up to date at the moment. > /var/spool/up2date directory. I'll try using the GUI up2date for a while > to see if it keeps downloading the wrong architecture files. I think it was fixed in an update of up2date at some point, hard to tell if the problem was in the repository or app. -Andy From phil-ml at techworks.ie Mon Oct 20 12:33:07 2003 From: phil-ml at techworks.ie (Philip Trickett) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 13:33:07 +0100 Subject: rpm Strangeness when trying to erase kernels. Message-ID: <1066653187.1831.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hi, I am running the fedora core beta, all the way from when it was severn ;) I am trying to un-install previous kernels that were installed by yum during upgrades: [phil at unagi phil]$ rpm -q kernel kernel-2.6.0-0.test6.1.47 kernel-2.6.0-0.test7.1.52 kernel-2.6.0-0.test6.1.48 kernel-2.6.0-0.test6.1.49 kernel-2.6.0-0.test7.1.51 kernel-2.4.22-1.2087.nptl I am trying to remove the 2.6 series kernels for now, so that I can go back to 2.4 for a little while. when I try to remove a kernel: [phil at unagi phil]$ sudo rpm -e kernel-2.6.0-0.test6.1.47 rpm looks as if it is pre-processing (a fair bit of disk access), and then the rpm process takes 100% cpu usage and just stays that way indefinitely. Is there any other way to remove the kernels? I have tried via yum, but it says that the kernel is not installed. Cheers, Phil From nosp at xades.com Mon Oct 20 12:35:11 2003 From: nosp at xades.com (nosp) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 13:35:11 +0100 Subject: samba bug (?): 3.0.0 nmbd panic: internal error Message-ID: <1066653311.1794.15.camel@earth.xades.com> I changed network interfaces (from eth0 to eth1) and forgot to update my "Interfaces = eth0 lo" line in smb.conf. smbd didn't complain much but nmbd "panic"ed with an "internal error." It's my fault of course but figured I should raise it in case anyone else runs across it. I'll submit it to the samba people for cleanup. --- /var/log/samba/nmbd.log: [2003/10/20 13:27:37, 0] nmbd/nmbd.c:main(665) Netbios nameserver version 3.0.0-15 started. Copyright Andrew Tridgell and the Samba Team 1994-2003 [blah blah] [2003/10/20 13:27:37, 3] lib/util.c:interpret_addr(1091) sys_gethostbyname: Unknown host. eth0 [2003/10/20 13:27:37, 2] lib/interface.c:interpret_interface(128) can't determine netmask for eth0 ... [2003/10/20 13:27:37, 3] nmbd/nmbd_namelistdb.c:add_name_to_subnet(236) add_name_to_subnet: Added netbios name __SAMBA__<00> with first IP 232.113.53.0 ttl=0 nb_flags= 0 to subnet UNICAST_SUBNET ... ^^^ ^^ ^ where this IP came from I don't know -- it's not mine and not in my smb.conf or /sbin/ifconfig... ... [2003/10/20 13:27:47, 0] lib/fault.c:fault_report(36) =============================================================== [2003/10/20 13:27:47, 0] lib/fault.c:fault_report(37) INTERNAL ERROR: Signal 11 in pid 15490 (3.0.0-15) Please read the appendix Bugs of the Samba HOWTO collection [2003/10/20 13:27:47, 0] lib/fault.c:fault_report(39) =============================================================== [2003/10/20 13:27:47, 0] lib/util.c:smb_panic(1422) PANIC: internal error [2003/10/20 13:27:47, 0] lib/util.c:smb_panic(1429) BACKTRACE: 8 stack frames: #0 nmbd(smb_panic+0x110) [0xa82f70] #1 nmbd [0xa6ef24] #2 /lib/tls/libc.so.6 [0x249a18] #3 nmbd(announce_remote+0x181) [0xa29b61] #4 nmbd [0xa15a63] #5 nmbd(main+0x45e) [0xa1615e] #6 /lib/tls/libc.so.6(__libc_start_main+0xf0) [0x237750] #7 nmbd [0xa14672] From nbecker at hns.com Mon Oct 20 13:12:51 2003 From: nbecker at hns.com (Neal D. Becker) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 09:12:51 -0400 Subject: supermount or equiv? Message-ID: <200310200912.51452.nbecker@hns.com> Is there any support for automatically mounting a removable device, e.g., cdrom, when media is inserted? From nphilipp at redhat.com Mon Oct 20 13:39:51 2003 From: nphilipp at redhat.com (Nils Philippsen) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 15:39:51 +0200 Subject: Xfree GL still does not coexist with the nVidia drivers In-Reply-To: <3F938824.5040107@tmsusa.com> References: <200310161642.32985.elwoo@videotron.ca> <200310171320.06015.elwoo@videotron.ca> <3F938824.5040107@tmsusa.com> Message-ID: <1066657190.7065.45.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> On Mon, 2003-10-20 at 09:00, Joe wrote: > Elton Woo wrote: > > >I'm starting to wonder if my next video card upgrade should be > >an ATI or Matrox instead. Both are made in Canada, and Matrox > >is in Montreal West. > > > > > Nah, after your box keeps locking up solid just from starting up an > OpenGL game, you'll dump the ATI and put the nvidia back in :-) > > I've been there - Hmm, my Radeon didn't crash on me in a very long time (with the OSS drivers and using 3D apps). I guess this depends on the card used. Mind that I also heard about Nvidias crashing so I don't see your point. Nils -- Nils Philippsen / Red Hat / nphilipp at redhat.com "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- B. Franklin, 1759 PGP fingerprint: C4A8 9474 5C4C ADE3 2B8F 656D 47D8 9B65 6951 3011 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From bcs at metacon.ca Mon Oct 20 13:48:17 2003 From: bcs at metacon.ca (Ben Steeves) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 10:48:17 -0300 Subject: supermount or equiv? In-Reply-To: <200310200912.51452.nbecker@hns.com> References: <200310200912.51452.nbecker@hns.com> Message-ID: <1066657696.28650.9.camel@zephyr> On Mon, 2003-10-20 at 10:12, Neal D. Becker wrote: > Is there any support for automatically mounting a removable device, e.g., > cdrom, when media is inserted? Yes, and it's enabled by default -- magicdev. The first package I remove, actually :-) ben -- Ben Steeves _ bcs at metacon.ca The ASCII ribbon campaign ( ) ben.steeves at unb.ca against HTML e-mail X GPG ID: 0xB3EBF1D9 http://www.metacon.ca/ascii / \ Yahoo Messenger: ben_steeves From operalover_99 at yahoo.com Mon Oct 20 13:55:31 2003 From: operalover_99 at yahoo.com (Michael Smith) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 06:55:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: laptop install Message-ID: <20031020135531.2089.qmail@web11006.mail.yahoo.com> Hi All, I installed Fedora Core B3 0.95 on my Toshiba Tecra 555 laptop over the weekend. All went well (aside from a tight fit on this old machine), except sound was not installed - not surprising because no install has ever recognized this machine's sound (Yahama OPL/3). I used sndconfig and got it configured manually, since I know all the settings. The only real problem is that the (external) floppy drive is not available unless it is physically attached at bootup. I tried running updfstab in a root console window, but got "command not found". Strange, because "man updfstab" gives me the manual for updfstab. Mike Smith __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From nbecker at hns.com Mon Oct 20 14:05:22 2003 From: nbecker at hns.com (Neal D. Becker) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 10:05:22 -0400 Subject: supermount or equiv? In-Reply-To: <1066657696.28650.9.camel@zephyr> References: <200310200912.51452.nbecker@hns.com> <1066657696.28650.9.camel@zephyr> Message-ID: <200310201005.22589.nbecker@hns.com> On Monday 20 October 2003 09:48 am, Ben Steeves wrote: > On Mon, 2003-10-20 at 10:12, Neal D. Becker wrote: > > Is there any support for automatically mounting a removable device, e.g., > > cdrom, when media is inserted? > > Yes, and it's enabled by default -- magicdev. The first package I > remove, actually :-) > Ah, this is a gnome thing. I always use kde. Does magicdev also work for kde? From tim at birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie Mon Oct 20 14:23:17 2003 From: tim at birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie (Timothy Murphy) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 15:23:17 +0100 Subject: Using Anaconda updates.img on hard disk Message-ID: <200310201523.18040.tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie> The Anaconda documentation says that you can either copy updates.img to a floppy drive or install in .../RedHat/base , and it will automatically be called. I found that the former worked, but the latter did not. When I copied updates.img to .../RedHat/base it was ignored. You may ask why I want to do this. I have a laptop (Sony C1VFK Picturebook) without floppy or CD drive. The laptop is currently running RedHat-9.0, and I want to "upgrade" to Fedora Core. I have a WiFi connection to my desktop, and have downloaded Fedora Core test release 2 (version 0.94, IIRC). The installation fails because of a known bug. I have installed this version of Fedora on my desktop by putting severn-test-updates.img on a floppy. The installation worked perfectly after that. Unfortunately I cannot do that on my laptop, as explained above. What I did was to "decompose" the iso image with mount -o loop ...disk1.iso /mnt/cdom make a "proper" copy of this with cp -a /mnt/cdrom /fedora copy severn-test-updates.img to /fedora/RedHat/base/updates.img and "remake" the iso image with mkisofs -R -o ...disk1.iso /fedora I should say that I abstracted bootdisk.img from the ISO image, decomposed it with "mount -o loop" copied the resultant files to /boot/fedora and added a grub pointer to these, so that I could boot into the Fedora release. The new ISO image worked exactly like the old one, but encountered the same bug at the same point, ie the updates.img seems to have been ignored. I looked briefly at the anaconda sources, but I am not an expert, and could not see where (in loader2/hdloader.c) this updates.img file was accessed. I'd be very grateful for any suggestions or advice. Has anyone successfully implanted updates.img in RedHat/base/ ? Is there another way of achieving the same aim? I did wonder too, although I am not an expert in these matters -- could I have modified the anaconda sources, recompiled them, and replaced the new version in the ISO image? Or could I have modified the bootdisk? I could not really work out how the bootdisk interacted with anaconda. -- Timothy Murphy e-mail: tim /at/ birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie (all email over 80k dispatched to /dev/null) tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland From don.vanco at agilysys.com Mon Oct 20 14:38:34 2003 From: don.vanco at agilysys.com (Vanco, Don) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 10:38:34 -0400 Subject: up2date script fails on hardware query Message-ID: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=107548 Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/share/rhn/up2date_client/gui.py", line 759, in onProfilePagePrepare self.hardware = hardware.Hardware() File "/usr/share/rhn/up2date_client/hardware.py", line 511, in Hardware ret = read_network() File "/usr/share/rhn/up2date_client/hardware.py", line 339, in read_network hostname, ipaddr = findHostByRoute() File "/usr/share/rhn/up2date_client/hardware.py", line 319, in findHostByRoute hostname = socket.gethostbyaddr(intf)[0] socket.herror: (1, 'Unknown host') Don From matthias at rpmforge.net Mon Oct 20 14:39:33 2003 From: matthias at rpmforge.net (Matthias Saou) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 16:39:33 +0200 Subject: HOWTO enable mp3 Re: mp3 support In-Reply-To: <1066417019.4897.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1066407402.4845.2.camel@opera> <200310171406.39907.elwoo@videotron.ca> <1066417019.4897.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20031020163933.13bffeb4.matthias@rpmforge.net> Scott A Phipps wrote : > Is there any way to get rhythmbox to support mp3's? I have gstreamer > playing them, but rhythmbox still will not even allow me to add mp3's to > a playlist. That's because there are two different blocking issues here. You not only need to add mp3 playback capability to gstreamer, you also need to recompile rhythmbox with libid3tag. You can get libid3tag and libid3tag-devel from http://shrike.freshrpms.net/ and recompile rhythmbox with them installed. An other option (the one I'm using since I'm having gstreamer/ALSA issues on my laptop) would be to use a rhythmbox compiled against libid3tag and using the xine backend. I have such a package here : http://ftp.freshrpms.net/pub/freshrpms/redhat/testing/9/rhythmbox-xine/ Matthias -- Clean custom Red Hat Linux rpm packages : http://freshrpms.net/ Fedora Core release 0.95 (Severn) - Linux kernel 2.4.22-20.1.2024.2.36.nptl Load : 0.80 0.69 0.73 From kaboom at gatech.edu Mon Oct 20 14:39:45 2003 From: kaboom at gatech.edu (Chris Ricker) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 10:39:45 -0400 (EDT) Subject: lilo vs grub In-Reply-To: <20031020033323.GB2165@mark.mielke.cc> References: <3F931F56.4050400@bol.com.br> <3F934E72.6080201@insight.rr.com> <20031020033323.GB2165@mark.mielke.cc> Message-ID: On Sun, 19 Oct 2003, Mark Mielke wrote: > I see no reason why lilo should continue to be developed, or why it should > be re-included into fedora or redhat. Because it works in situations where grub doesn't. Some are relatively obscure hardware issues, but others are more universal (like dealing with RAID 1) later, chris From david.balazic at uni-mb.si Mon Oct 20 14:39:25 2003 From: david.balazic at uni-mb.si (DAVID BALAZIC) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 16:39:25 +0200 Subject: supermount or equiv? Message-ID: <01L22493QIW2000U08@rcum.uni-mb.si> "Neal D. Becker" wrote : >On Monday 20 October 2003 09:48 am, Ben Steeves wrote: >> On Mon, 2003-10-20 at 10:12, Neal D. Becker wrote: >> > Is there any support for automatically mounting a removable device, e.g., >> > cdrom, when media is inserted? Why do you want this ? >> Yes, and it's enabled by default -- magicdev. The first package I >> remove, actually :-) >> > >Ah, this is a gnome thing. I always use kde. Does magicdev also work for >kde? KDE has "autorun" if I am not mistaken. -- David Balazic E-mail : david.balazic at uni-mb.si | living in sLOVEnija home page: http://surf.to/stein -- From kaboom at gatech.edu Mon Oct 20 14:44:32 2003 From: kaboom at gatech.edu (Chris Ricker) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 10:44:32 -0400 (EDT) Subject: lilo vs grub In-Reply-To: <200310201224.00455.tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie> References: <3F931F56.4050400@bol.com.br> <3F934E72.6080201@insight.rr.com> <20031020033323.GB2165@mark.mielke.cc> <200310201224.00455.tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie> Message-ID: On Mon, 20 Oct 2003, Timothy Murphy wrote: > 3. I believe LILO can be configured to boot up a different kernel just once. > As far as I know there is no way to do this with grub. savedefault --default=N --once in the grub shell is the equivalent of lilo -R (albeit much more painful to use ;-) later, chris From don.vanco at agilysys.com Mon Oct 20 14:49:55 2003 From: don.vanco at agilysys.com (Vanco, Don) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 10:49:55 -0400 Subject: rhn-applet still crashing on me Message-ID: Daniel Veillard scribbled on Friday, October 17, 2003 10:40 AM: > okay, can you bugzilla this ? Sorry - took me a couple days... https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=107548 Don From jkeating at j2solutions.net Mon Oct 20 14:57:14 2003 From: jkeating at j2solutions.net (Jesse Keating) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 07:57:14 -0700 Subject: lilo vs grub In-Reply-To: References: <3F931F56.4050400@bol.com.br> <20031020033323.GB2165@mark.mielke.cc> Message-ID: <200310200757.14447.jkeating@j2solutions.net> On Monday 20 October 2003 07:39, Chris Ricker uttered: > Because it works in situations where grub doesn't. Some are relatively > obscure hardware issues, but others are more universal (like dealing with > RAID 1) How dealing with RAID 1? I use grub with software RAID 1 (boot mirrored as well), and hardware RAID 1. I've had no issues with it, perhaps you could share your issues? -- Jesse Keating RHCE MCSE (http://geek.j2solutions.net) Fedora Legacy Team (http://www.fedora.us/wiki/FedoraLegacy) Mondo DevTeam (www.mondorescue.org) GPG Public Key (http://geek.j2solutions.net/jkeating.j2solutions.pub) Was I helpful? Let others know: http://svcs.affero.net/rm.php?r=jkeating -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: signature URL: From nsilva-list at atari-source.com Mon Oct 20 10:55:13 2003 From: nsilva-list at atari-source.com (nsilva-list at atari-source.com) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 06:55:13 -0400 Subject: acme? In-Reply-To: <1066627302.2998.0.camel@GreenTea> References: <1066627302.2998.0.camel@GreenTea> Message-ID: <1066647313.3f93bf11e5d71@aoi.atari-source.com> Quoting Phillip Compton : > On Sun, 2003-10-19 at 18:54, Noah Silva [Mailing list] wrote: > > I could have sworn acme was in redhat 9, and I didn't think I saw it > > ... > Acme is in the QA queue for fedora.us. If you need it, you could grab > the SRPM. Also, feel free to help with QA. Phil, I never used fedora (previous to the new redhat fedora), I always used FreshRPMs. I don't know how the QA process works, but if you point me to the right FAQ (or whatever), I would be glad to help out. Also, I managed to install ACME from the author's RPM, and it works fine, at least ont he apple pro keyboard I am using. Only key that won't work is the "Eject/Power" key, which I have a feeling does something odd. Another applet I really miss in fedora is the keyboard state indicator one (Not sure the exact name, but next time I boot into debian I will check). It shows the numlock, capslock, and scroll-lock states, which is nice for keyboards that don't have the LEDs (like my apple pro keyboard and also my gyration wireless keyboard). -- noah silva From nbecker at hns.com Mon Oct 20 14:59:22 2003 From: nbecker at hns.com (Neal D. Becker) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 10:59:22 -0400 Subject: supermount or equiv? In-Reply-To: <01L22493QIW2000U08@rcum.uni-mb.si> References: <01L22493QIW2000U08@rcum.uni-mb.si> Message-ID: <200310201059.22841.nbecker@hns.com> On Monday 20 October 2003 10:39 am, DAVID BALAZIC wrote: > "Neal D. Becker" wrote : > >On Monday 20 October 2003 09:48 am, Ben Steeves wrote: > >> On Mon, 2003-10-20 at 10:12, Neal D. Becker wrote: > >> > Is there any support for automatically mounting a removable device, > >> > e.g., cdrom, when media is inserted? > > Why do you want this ? > So I can tell my newbie friend and he can stop using windoze. From nsilva-list at atari-source.com Mon Oct 20 11:02:41 2003 From: nsilva-list at atari-source.com (nsilva-list at atari-source.com) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 07:02:41 -0400 Subject: RHGB not .. GBing... Message-ID: <1066647761.3f93c0d1de2a5@aoi.atari-source.com> I have a system that was installed as Fedora t2, and then upgraded via rawhide to current (as of yesterday). It was doing the t2 Graphical boot, but no longer will boot graphically at all. I installed kernel 2.6, but the graphical boot doesn't work on 2.4 either. (I don't think it's installed a newer 2.4 kernel than the one that came with t2, is that nessisary?) What can I check? the video card is radeon 7000 VE (and RHGB worked on a previous install from t3 CDs, so I think that the issue is configuration, not the machine itself). thanks, noah silva From nsilva-list at atari-source.com Mon Oct 20 11:05:04 2003 From: nsilva-list at atari-source.com (nsilva-list at atari-source.com) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 07:05:04 -0400 Subject: Up2date hangs at Testing Package Set In-Reply-To: <002d01c3975c$4822c710$0200000a@ic7max3> References: <20031019211104.5328.59014.Mailman@listman.back-rdu.redhat.com> <002d01c3975c$4822c710$0200000a@ic7max3> Message-ID: <1066647904.3f93c160e899d@aoi.atari-source.com> Hi, I've notice that sometimes YUM itself is a bit more robust. You might try to do "Yum upgrade". If you need to, grab yum from freshrpms.net or rewhide (on redhat's FTP). and install with "rpm -i yum.rpm" first. thanks, noah silva Quoting Paul : > I was updating from beta 2 to 3 via up2date. I grabbed the new kernel but > started having problems with "Testing Package Set / Solving RPM > Inter-dependencies". If I selected more than 8 or 10 packages it would > just > hang up and the status bar never even started. So I grabbed the update for > up2date. Things started to get even worse. Now the inter-dependency check > hangs even if I select one package ( I did wait 3-1/2 hours for it to do > its > thing). > > OK, now I'm a bit new to this so please if you can, give detailed > suggestions. Like don't tell me to reload the old up2date becasuse I've > always used up2date to do my updates. Where would I get that package etc.? > > Thanks > Paul > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > From alex at taipang.com Mon Oct 20 14:37:18 2003 From: alex at taipang.com (Alor) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 20:37:18 +0600 Subject: supermount or equiv? In-Reply-To: <200310200912.51452.nbecker@hns.com> References: <200310200912.51452.nbecker@hns.com> Message-ID: <200310202037.18655.alex@taipang.com> On Monday 20 October 2003 19:12, Neal D. Becker wrote: > Is there any support for automatically mounting a removable device, e.g., > cdrom, when media is inserted? Yes, in KDE. On desktop right click. Then Create new ... CD-ROM device and so on. Alor. From kaboom at gatech.edu Mon Oct 20 15:07:59 2003 From: kaboom at gatech.edu (Chris Ricker) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 11:07:59 -0400 (EDT) Subject: lilo vs grub In-Reply-To: <200310200757.14447.jkeating@j2solutions.net> References: <3F931F56.4050400@bol.com.br> <20031020033323.GB2165@mark.mielke.cc> <200310200757.14447.jkeating@j2solutions.net> Message-ID: On Mon, 20 Oct 2003, Jesse Keating wrote: > On Monday 20 October 2003 07:39, Chris Ricker uttered: > > Because it works in situations where grub doesn't. Some are relatively > > obscure hardware issues, but others are more universal (like dealing with > > RAID 1) > > How dealing with RAID 1? I use grub with software RAID 1 (boot mirrored as > well), and hardware RAID 1. I've had no issues with it, perhaps you could > share your issues? grub only gets installed to one of the two disks in the mirror. If that one fails, you can't boot. This is because grub can't be installed to /dev/md?. LILO, in contrast, can. You can work around it by manually installing GRUB to both components in the mirror, but that's lame.... later, chris From pcompton at proteinmedia.com Mon Oct 20 15:25:57 2003 From: pcompton at proteinmedia.com (Phillip Compton) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 11:25:57 -0400 Subject: acme? In-Reply-To: <1066647313.3f93bf11e5d71@aoi.atari-source.com> References: <1066627302.2998.0.camel@GreenTea> <1066647313.3f93bf11e5d71@aoi.atari-source.com> Message-ID: <1066663556.3317.1.camel@GreenTea> On Mon, 2003-10-20 at 06:55, nsilva-list at atari-source.com wrote: > Phil, > I never used fedora (previous to the new redhat fedora), I always used > FreshRPMs. I don't know how the QA process works, but if you point me to the > right FAQ (or whatever), I would be glad to help out. the fedora.us documentation is available at: http://www.fedora.us/wiki/FedoraDocuments the QA documentation is: http://www.fedora.us/wiki/PackageSubmissionQAPolicy Phil From johnsonm at redhat.com Mon Oct 20 15:26:16 2003 From: johnsonm at redhat.com (Michael K. Johnson) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 11:26:16 -0400 Subject: Boot time In-Reply-To: <3F9360ED.3050902@prometheon.net>; from rnix@prometheon.net on Sun, Oct 19, 2003 at 11:13:33PM -0500 References: <3F9360ED.3050902@prometheon.net> Message-ID: <20031020112616.A12783@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Sun, Oct 19, 2003 at 11:13:33PM -0500, Ryan Nix wrote: > I'm a novice who still hasn't even compiled his first kernel, but has RH > considered speeding up the boot-time? In great detail. Try fedora-devel-list for long recent discussions. michaelkjohnson "He that composes himself is wiser than he that composes a book." Linux Application Development -- Ben Franklin http://people.redhat.com/johnsonm/lad/ From jkeating at j2solutions.net Mon Oct 20 15:38:43 2003 From: jkeating at j2solutions.net (Jesse Keating) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 08:38:43 -0700 Subject: lilo vs grub In-Reply-To: References: <3F931F56.4050400@bol.com.br> <200310200757.14447.jkeating@j2solutions.net> Message-ID: <200310200838.43386.jkeating@j2solutions.net> On Monday 20 October 2003 08:07, Chris Ricker uttered: > This is because grub can't be installed to /dev/md?. LILO, in contrast, > can. > > You can work around it by manually installing GRUB to both components in > the mirror, but that's lame.... Not really, because I'm sure thats what LILO is doing in it's code. Since the device /dev/md0 doesn't exist until after the kernel creates it, there is no way that lilo can know about it's physical location. I'm pretty sure that lilo just has code to detect a mirror, and then just installs itself on each part of the mirror. Last time I checked, Linux software raid didn't mirror the boot sector. -- Jesse Keating RHCE MCSE (http://geek.j2solutions.net) Fedora Legacy Team (http://www.fedora.us/wiki/FedoraLegacy) Mondo DevTeam (www.mondorescue.org) GPG Public Key (http://geek.j2solutions.net/jkeating.j2solutions.pub) Was I helpful? Let others know: http://svcs.affero.net/rm.php?r=jkeating -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: signature URL: From pekkas at netcore.fi Mon Oct 20 15:40:46 2003 From: pekkas at netcore.fi (Pekka Savola) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 18:40:46 +0300 (EEST) Subject: lilo vs grub In-Reply-To: <200310200838.43386.jkeating@j2solutions.net> Message-ID: On Mon, 20 Oct 2003, Jesse Keating wrote: > On Monday 20 October 2003 08:07, Chris Ricker uttered: > > This is because grub can't be installed to /dev/md?. LILO, in contrast, > > can. > > > > You can work around it by manually installing GRUB to both components in > > the mirror, but that's lame.... > > Not really, because I'm sure thats what LILO is doing in it's code. Since the > device /dev/md0 doesn't exist until after the kernel creates it, there is no > way that lilo can know about it's physical location. I'm pretty sure that > lilo just has code to detect a mirror, and then just installs itself on each > part of the mirror. Last time I checked, Linux software raid didn't mirror > the boot sector. That's exactly what *lilo* is doing, but the point was that grub is forcing the *user* to do it manually, right? -- Pekka Savola "You each name yourselves king, yet the Netcore Oy kingdom bleeds." Systems. Networks. Security. -- George R.R. Martin: A Clash of Kings From kaboom at gatech.edu Mon Oct 20 15:45:59 2003 From: kaboom at gatech.edu (Chris Ricker) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 11:45:59 -0400 (EDT) Subject: lilo vs grub In-Reply-To: <200310200838.43386.jkeating@j2solutions.net> References: <3F931F56.4050400@bol.com.br> <200310200757.14447.jkeating@j2solutions.net> <200310200838.43386.jkeating@j2solutions.net> Message-ID: On Mon, 20 Oct 2003, Jesse Keating wrote: > On Monday 20 October 2003 08:07, Chris Ricker uttered: > > This is because grub can't be installed to /dev/md?. LILO, in contrast, > > can. > > > > You can work around it by manually installing GRUB to both components in > > the mirror, but that's lame.... > > Not really, because I'm sure thats what LILO is doing in it's code. Right, but it's not manual, which means it works for the average admin, which means it's not lame. In lilo.conf you put /dev/md0 and everything Just Works. One disk dies, and you automagically boot off the other. grub needs to do the same w/o requiring manual intervention. Look in bugzilla for long bugs with lots of people subscribed to them who've found out the hard way that when you mirror on RH w/ grub and one disk dies, you will not boot until you hunt up a rescue disk and figure out how to reinstall grub. later, chris From nsilva-list at aoi.atari-source.com Mon Oct 20 15:53:04 2003 From: nsilva-list at aoi.atari-source.com (Noah Silva [Mailing list]) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 11:53:04 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Kudzu * detect In-Reply-To: <3F939507.2090605@tech-access.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 20 Oct 2003, Sean Craig wrote: > Why (technically) will the probe 'not work'? > > Does the probe fail / hang, or it it something more device-handler-related? > More to my curiosity, I have seen the following things happen with Kudzu: On redhat 9: An external motorola serial modem... sometimes kudzu will say it has been removed... this could be the modem is in an odd state or something... 3COM ethernet cards.. sometimes when I reboot.. it says the card has been removed. It also immediately after that says the card has been added. My guess is something it looks at about the card has changed in some miniscule way, so it thinks it is actually a different card. In severn: Sometimes it says my mouse has been removed, but it still works. If I use two USB keyboards, they both work, but sometimes I get the message that one has been removed. (I have a gyration wireless keyboard, but it has been acting up, so I have an apple pro keyboard plugged intot he same machine). -- noah silva From janina at rednote.net Mon Oct 20 15:55:37 2003 From: janina at rednote.net (Janina Sajka) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 11:55:37 -0400 Subject: Speakup in kernel In-Reply-To: <20031019185454.B22298@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <3163.142.167.72.162.1066313381.squirrel@mail.ceimaine.org> <20031019185454.B22298@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20031020155537.GI7677@rednote.net> Michael K. Johnson writes: > From: "Michael K. Johnson" > > On Thu, Oct 16, 2003 at 11:20:29PM -0600, William F. Acker WB2FLW +1-303-722-7209 wrote: > > modularization. Only $DEITY knows if RH will ever put it back into the > > kernel. Kernels for all supported versions of RHL/Fedora can be found at > > What we'd REALLY like to see is it cleaned up enough that it goes > upstream. We're trying to move in the general direction of fewer > patches carried indefinitely... > > michaelkjohnson > chael: I think we're also trying to move it upstream as a coordinated componant in a matrix of devices requiring support from the bios through the desktop. Indeed, there is a releated FSG project now getting under way in the new Accessibility WG I chair under FSG. Meanwhil, modularized Speakup is good stuff and much needed today. I would venture to say that we listened when we were told "modularize it." However, are we waiting for perfection in any product to put it in the distro? I suspect not. So, please accept our significant progress with the strong assurance that we share the larger, more long-term goal to "move upstream." If video belongs in the kernel, so does Speakup. > "He that composes himself is wiser than he that composes a book." > Linux Application Development -- Ben Franklin > http://people.redhat.com/johnsonm/lad/ > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list -- Janina Sajka Email: janina at rednote.net Phone: (202) 408-8175 Director, Technology Research and Development American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) http://www.afb.org Chair, Accessibility Work Group Free Standards Group http://accessibility.freestandards.org From nsilva-list at aoi.atari-source.com Mon Oct 20 15:57:02 2003 From: nsilva-list at aoi.atari-source.com (Noah Silva [Mailing list]) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 11:57:02 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Gnucash and Japanese mode don't mix well. Message-ID: Try logging in in Japanese mode with GDM. Then run GNUCASH. I don't even get squares (which is what you get if it decodes the strings properly, but doesn't use a font that supports kana/kanji). I get.. garbage (i.e. it's not decoding the strings). I assume this is because gnucash is a gnome1 app? (I also wonder why languages that aren't installed remain on the GDM menu, but this seems like a Gnome issue). -- noah silva From nsilva-list at aoi.atari-source.com Mon Oct 20 16:00:38 2003 From: nsilva-list at aoi.atari-source.com (Noah Silva [Mailing list]) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 12:00:38 -0400 (EDT) Subject: X86 and Monitor Message-ID: I have a sun 21 inch monitor, and anaconda couldn't detect it, so I put in "Generic CRT -> 1600x1400". When the install completed, it came up in 1024x768. XRandR showed that that was the max. Looking at XFree86Config, that was the highest mode listed. I assume that if I pick "1600x1400", at least up to that res should show up in the config file? (the monitor can do 2048x1600 easily). After editing the XFree86Config file by hand, things worked as expected. -- noah silva From esimmonds at speakeasy.net Mon Oct 20 16:01:52 2003 From: esimmonds at speakeasy.net (Ed) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 11:01:52 -0500 Subject: Fedora Issues Message-ID: <1066665712.5083.11.camel@trillian.myserenity.net> I don't post often so bear with me. I am having serious problems with Fedora (every version, but now Beta3). I just did a clean install of beta3 because I wanted a clean system. 1. up2date just didn't work. I gave up and tried yum. 2. yum didn't work, ran for hours and kept popping up warnings about bad rpms. 3. Grabbed apt from freshrpms and now I can at least install packages. (Fedora apt in beta2 was a massive headache too). I can live with package management now, but the thing that is killing me is that I can't compile a kernel-- ANY kernel. Using gcc32, default configs from /configs directory, smp kernel, vanilla kernel from kernel.org, nothing will compile. Everything fails with segmentation faults or other problems. Has anyone compiled a stock RedHat kernel or vanilla kernel? How did RedHat compile them in the first place to create the binary RPMs? Other problems with beta3: - X randomly locks up when screensaver kicks in. I have to reboot. - Fedora just drops my USB mouse for the heck of it on reboots (though it is plugged in). Always worked in RH9. What I really need is the ability to compile a kernel. Anyone been able to do that? Advice would be greatly appreciated. -- Edward Simmonds RHCE, OCP From janina at rednote.net Mon Oct 20 16:05:17 2003 From: janina at rednote.net (Janina Sajka) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 12:05:17 -0400 Subject: LILO In-Reply-To: <20031020032811.GA2165@mark.mielke.cc> References: <3F92B68A.6060403@bol.com.br> <65004.65.40.134.44.1066580558.squirrel@whooper.org> <20031019170554.GO9369@rednote.net> <20031020032811.GA2165@mark.mielke.cc> Message-ID: <20031020160517.GL7677@rednote.net> Mark Mielke writes: > From: Mark Mielke > > On Sun, Oct 19, 2003 at 01:05:55PM -0400, Janina Sajka wrote: > > And a sad thing it is, too, for those of us requiring eyes-free booting > > options. > > > Grub may be a step forward in many ways, but it's a step backwards for > > the eyes-free user at this time. > > This isn't correct. Grub has a command line mode. Just push 'c'. Grub > also supports installation via a serial line, which would allow for > external text to speach boxes to function. As far as I know, LILO never > supporter braille displays. > > My father is a blind Linux user (he is the current maintainer of BRLTTY, > for reference) who uses grub as a boot loader. > > If you are talking about headless booting (as opposed to blind users), > I suspect that this is easy to configure as well with grub... > > Why would you *not* use grub? Take a look at the features it provides > far above and beyond what lilo provides... No, I am talking about blind users, and I've exchanged email with your father many times. I'm also aware that grub can work well enough for many blind users. But, I never said differently. I said it was a step backwards. See my other response for some details. > > mark > > -- > mark at mielke.cc/markm at ncf.ca/markm at nortelnetworks.com __________________________ > . . _ ._ . . .__ . . ._. .__ . . . .__ | Neighbourhood Coder > |\/| |_| |_| |/ |_ |\/| | |_ | |/ |_ | > | | | | | \ | \ |__ . | | .|. |__ |__ | \ |__ | Ottawa, Ontario, Canada > > One ring to rule them all, one ring to find them, one ring to bring them all > and in the darkness bind them... > > http://mark.mielke.cc/ > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list -- Janina Sajka Email: janina at rednote.net Phone: (202) 408-8175 Director, Technology Research and Development American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) http://www.afb.org Chair, Accessibility Work Group Free Standards Group http://accessibility.freestandards.org From jkeating at j2solutions.net Mon Oct 20 16:09:42 2003 From: jkeating at j2solutions.net (Jesse Keating) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 09:09:42 -0700 Subject: lilo vs grub In-Reply-To: References: <3F931F56.4050400@bol.com.br> <200310200838.43386.jkeating@j2solutions.net> Message-ID: <200310200909.47101.jkeating@j2solutions.net> On Monday 20 October 2003 08:45, Chris Ricker wrote: > grub needs to do the same w/o requiring manual intervention. Look in > bugzilla for long bugs with lots of people subscribed to them who've > found out the hard way that when you mirror on RH w/ grub and one > disk dies, you will not boot until you hunt up a rescue disk and > figure out how to reinstall grub. Seems like a trivial enough fix, one could almost script it to call grub for mirror grub installs. Has anybody RFE'd this to the upstream grub maintainers? -- Jesse Keating RHCE MCSE (geek.j2solutions.net) Fedora Legacy Team (www.fedora.us/wiki/FedoraLegacy) Mondo DevTeam (www.mondorescue.org) GPG Public Key (geek.j2solutions.net/jkeating.j2solutions.pub) Was I helpful? Let others know: http://svcs.affero.net/rm.php?r=jkeating -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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''Segfaults or other problems'' makes it sound like a nonspecific hardware mailaise. Is it possible you have a bad DIMM of RAM, or you are overclocking, or a family of mice are living inside the dust on the motherboard? Or one of your fans is broken on the motherboard, that'd do it? -Andy From k_b0000 at yahoo.se Mon Oct 20 16:12:57 2003 From: k_b0000 at yahoo.se (k b) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 09:12:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: general problems with fedora, it works bad. Message-ID: <20031020161257.83800.qmail@web12005.mail.yahoo.com> hi i dont know in what end to begin, but i am experiencing a lot of problems with the fedora 20031013 release. i have lots of different problems, to mention some; compiling applications from source is troublesome, librarys does not always register, and even if they seem to do (after running ldconfig with direcotries specified in /etc/ld.so.conf) then other applications that depend on the previous cannot find the dependencies. assume you have a program that needs some dependencies. if you install part of dependencies from rpms, and compile some (worked fine in RH9) and then compile the main application it will most problebly not find some of the dependencies (even thouch my ldconfig seems to include the correct direcoties). gimp1.3.21 and gimp-print is an axample. another example is gtk-gnutella, no matter if i compile it or install from rpm, it suddenly uses 100% CPU-time. and almost hangs. this always happens. i have many more problems like this, so i just want to ask, is this behaviour recognized by others, or is it my installation that is problematic? also, for fedora developers. an graphical applications to add, remove, configure fonts, and also copy them to the correct directories and make them globally available would be nice. kb __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From janina at rednote.net Mon Oct 20 16:23:25 2003 From: janina at rednote.net (Janina Sajka) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 12:23:25 -0400 Subject: LILO In-Reply-To: References: <20031019170554.GO9369@rednote.net> Message-ID: <20031020162325.GM7677@rednote.net> Tom Diehl writes: > From: Tom Diehl > > On Sun, 19 Oct 2003, Janina Sajka wrote: > > > And a sad thing it is, too, for those of us requiring eyes-free booting > > options. > > > > Grub may be a step forward in many ways, but it's a step backwards for > > the eyes-free user at this time. > > Why?? What will lilo do that grub will not?? Maybe there is a solution that > you are not aware of. OTOH maybe there is not but it does not hurt to ask. I'd love to be wrong. So here goes. I sincerely hope at least some items on this list are just my own ignorznce of Grub. Not necessarily prioritized: 1.) The ability to play a sound to indicate the boot loader is ready for user actions. In System Commander these are cutsy little tunes. In lilo we simply drop two or three Ctrl-G's into /boot/message. It's important to know when the window of opportunity is open. 2.) Interface to a serial device. This should run the gamut from simply sending a ASCII string out the first serial port, to function as a fully capable interactive interface over serial. I know that at least some in the industry want serial ports to go away forever. But, usb is not a substitute at low levels during the boot process. Let's remember that computers (before Intel) routinely made bios level access available on the first serial port if a monitor was not present. We need to go back to that. 3.) The ability to call a particular kernel by name and by alias. It is not sufficient to "arrow up and down." That's great for some, but lousy for others. Under System Commander one can type 'a' or 'b' and know what kernel will be loaded. There's no need to consider which one might be highlighted, and how many up arrows, or down arrow key strokes are needed to "highlight" the desired selection. Under lilo we did this with "alias=" and "label=" 4.) The command line should still expire after a user defined interval. It's great that Grub can bring up a command line by default, but not great that it stays there forever. So, we need equivalents for lilo's "prompt" and "timeout" commands. > > -- > ......Tom Registered Linux User #14522 http://counter.li.org > tdiehl at rogueind.com My current SpamTrap -------> mtd123 at rogueind.com > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list -- Janina Sajka Email: janina at rednote.net Phone: (202) 408-8175 Director, Technology Research and Development American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) http://www.afb.org Chair, Accessibility Work Group Free Standards Group http://accessibility.freestandards.org From mharris at redhat.com Mon Oct 20 16:28:46 2003 From: mharris at redhat.com (Mike A. Harris) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 12:28:46 -0400 (EDT) Subject: X86 and Monitor In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, 20 Oct 2003, Noah Silva [Mailing list] wrote: >I have a sun 21 inch monitor, and anaconda couldn't detect it, so I put in >"Generic CRT -> 1600x1400". When the install completed, it came up in >1024x768. XRandR showed that that was the max. Looking at XFree86Config, >that was the highest mode listed. I assume that if I pick "1600x1400", at >least up to that res should show up in the config file? (the monitor can >do 2048x1600 easily). > >After editing the XFree86Config file by hand, things worked as expected. XFree86 does not contain built in video modelines for 1600x1400 nor for 2048x1600, so you'll have to enter your own video modelines in order to use either of those rather obscure resolutions. I'm kindof surprised either resolution is even valid. ;o) 1600x1200 and 1920x1440 should work though. -- Mike A. Harris ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris OS Systems Engineer - XFree86 maintainer - Red Hat From nbirchler at earthlink.net Mon Oct 20 16:27:53 2003 From: nbirchler at earthlink.net (Neil Birchler) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 11:27:53 -0500 Subject: general problems with fedora, it works bad. Message-ID: <200310201630.h9KGU9M07850@mx1.redhat.com> > > i have many more problems like this, so i just want to > ask, is this behaviour recognized by others, or is it > my installation that is problematic? > i've been running it as my desktop for almost a month and haven't experienced ANY of the problems you've mentioned. i'd say it's your install. do you have a bunch of RH 9 packages mixed with fedora packages? i'd install apt and do an 'apt-get upgrade' and see if it straightens out. neil From aoliva at redhat.com Mon Oct 20 16:40:36 2003 From: aoliva at redhat.com (Alexandre Oliva) Date: 20 Oct 2003 14:40:36 -0200 Subject: RHGB not .. GBing... In-Reply-To: <1066647761.3f93c0d1de2a5@aoi.atari-source.com> References: <1066647761.3f93c0d1de2a5@aoi.atari-source.com> Message-ID: On Oct 20, 2003, nsilva-list at atari-source.com wrote: > What can I check? The archives? :-) You have to add `rhgb' to the boot command line to get rhgb now. -- Alexandre Oliva Enjoy Guarana', see http://www.ic.unicamp.br/~oliva/ Red Hat GCC Developer aoliva@{redhat.com, gcc.gnu.org} CS PhD student at IC-Unicamp oliva@{lsd.ic.unicamp.br, gnu.org} Free Software Evangelist Professional serial bug killer From rnix at prometheon.net Mon Oct 20 16:43:04 2003 From: rnix at prometheon.net (Ryan Nix) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 11:43:04 -0500 Subject: general problems with fedora, it works bad. In-Reply-To: <200310201630.h9KGU9M07850@mx1.redhat.com> References: <200310201630.h9KGU9M07850@mx1.redhat.com> Message-ID: <3F941098.2060901@prometheon.net> I concur. Fedora has been the best release yet. The whole system seems more responsive and stable. Neil Birchler wrote: >>i have many more problems like this, so i just want to >>ask, is this behaviour recognized by others, or is it >>my installation that is problematic? >> >> >> >i've been running it as my desktop for almost a month and haven't experienced ANY of the problems you've mentioned. i'd say it's your install. do you have a bunch of RH 9 packages mixed with fedora packages? i'd install apt and do an 'apt-get upgrade' and see if it straightens out. > >neil > > >-- >fedora-test-list mailing list >fedora-test-list at redhat.com >http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > > > From sflory at rackable.com Mon Oct 20 16:36:33 2003 From: sflory at rackable.com (Samuel Flory) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 09:36:33 -0700 Subject: lilo vs grub In-Reply-To: <20031020033323.GB2165@mark.mielke.cc> References: <3F931F56.4050400@bol.com.br> <3F934E72.6080201@insight.rr.com> <20031020033323.GB2165@mark.mielke.cc> Message-ID: <3F940F11.4070209@rackable.com> Mark Mielke wrote: > On Sun, Oct 19, 2003 at 10:54:42PM -0400, Jim Cornette wrote: > >>I think that LILO and GRUB should both be included in the distribution. >>An important utility like a boot loader should have a backup version. I >>needed lilo to restore my ability to boot when I changed drives on the >>primary master. >>Grub failed on an intermediate stage and I would have not been able to >>boot my system successfully without having lilo. > > > Why didn't you have a backup grub partition? You didn't need lilo to boot. > You happened to have lilo. Note the difference. Also, grub can be put > stand-alone on a floppy that allows you to re-install grub without booting > the system up. Lilo gives you nothing of this. > > >>If it is a better choice for the eyes free mode for users. It makes even >>more sense to start including it again. > > > Why is it a better choice? Why does it make even more sense to start > including again? Because lilo works on some configs that grub does not work on. I have at least 2 systems that will not boot with grub. I've encountered instances with friends where grub-install to reinstall grub on to the mbr. > > I find lilo to be dangerous - if you don't run lilo after moving the kernel > image, or installation a new kernel image, you are dead. Grub gives you > several different options to work from. > Actually your system will boot just fine if the filesystem hasn't reclaimed the space used by the file;-) Person I like the fact that I have to run lilo. It's a great sanity check. With grub you really can't be sure your system will be able to reboot. > I see no reason why lilo should continue to be developed, or why it should > be re-included into fedora or redhat. > > If you have a problem with how it works 'eyes free', your efforts would be > better spent making suggestions to the grub developers, or even better, > providing source code patches for them to work from. > > Cheers, > mark > -- Once you have their hardware. Never give it back. (The First Rule of Hardware Acquisition) Sam Flory From jkeating at j2solutions.net Mon Oct 20 16:45:14 2003 From: jkeating at j2solutions.net (Jesse Keating) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 09:45:14 -0700 Subject: general problems with fedora, it works bad. In-Reply-To: <3F941098.2060901@prometheon.net> References: <200310201630.h9KGU9M07850@mx1.redhat.com> <3F941098.2060901@prometheon.net> Message-ID: <200310200945.26909.jkeating@j2solutions.net> On Monday 20 October 2003 09:43, Ryan Nix wrote: > I concur. Fedora has been the best release yet. The whole system > seems more responsive and stable. Funny that, since it hasn't been released yet... still in beta. -- Jesse Keating RHCE MCSE (geek.j2solutions.net) Fedora Legacy Team (www.fedora.us/wiki/FedoraLegacy) Mondo DevTeam (www.mondorescue.org) GPG Public Key (geek.j2solutions.net/jkeating.j2solutions.pub) Was I helpful? Let others know: http://svcs.affero.net/rm.php?r=jkeating -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: signature URL: From janina at rednote.net Mon Oct 20 16:49:49 2003 From: janina at rednote.net (Janina Sajka) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 12:49:49 -0400 Subject: lilo vs grub In-Reply-To: <20031020033323.GB2165@mark.mielke.cc> References: <3F931F56.4050400@bol.com.br> <3F934E72.6080201@insight.rr.com> <20031020033323.GB2165@mark.mielke.cc> Message-ID: <20031020164949.GB12274@rednote.net> If lilo does things today that are useful to people and that grub cannot yet do, what's wrong with including lilo? Mark Mielke writes: > From: Mark Mielke > > On Sun, Oct 19, 2003 at 10:54:42PM -0400, Jim Cornette wrote: > > I think that LILO and GRUB should both be included in the distribution. > > An important utility like a boot loader should have a backup version. I > > needed lilo to restore my ability to boot when I changed drives on the > > primary master. > > Grub failed on an intermediate stage and I would have not been able to > > boot my system successfully without having lilo. > > Why didn't you have a backup grub partition? You didn't need lilo to boot. > You happened to have lilo. Note the difference. Also, grub can be put > stand-alone on a floppy that allows you to re-install grub without booting > the system up. Lilo gives you nothing of this. > > > If it is a better choice for the eyes free mode for users. It makes even > > more sense to start including it again. > > Why is it a better choice? Why does it make even more sense to start > including again? > > I find lilo to be dangerous - if you don't run lilo after moving the kernel > image, or installation a new kernel image, you are dead. Grub gives you > several different options to work from. Ahem, you're supposed to have that back up disk? Right? Just as you said "have a backup grub partition?" Let's at least be consistent! > > I see no reason why lilo should continue to be developed, or why it should > be re-included into fedora or redhat. Two different issues. The reason it should be put back in is that grub isn't doing everything we need out of a boot loader yet. Guess the grub folks were short on their user requirements list. > > If you have a problem with how it works 'eyes free', your efforts would be > better spent making suggestions to the grub developers, or even better, > providing source code patches for them to work from. Meanwhile we're supposed to suffer? I think not. > > Cheers, > mark > > -- > mark at mielke.cc/markm at ncf.ca/markm at nortelnetworks.com __________________________ > . . _ ._ . . .__ . . ._. .__ . . . .__ | Neighbourhood Coder > |\/| |_| |_| |/ |_ |\/| | |_ | |/ |_ | > | | | | | \ | \ |__ . | | .|. |__ |__ | \ |__ | Ottawa, Ontario, Canada > > One ring to rule them all, one ring to find them, one ring to bring them all > and in the darkness bind them... > > http://mark.mielke.cc/ > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list -- Janina Sajka Email: janina at rednote.net Phone: (202) 408-8175 Director, Technology Research and Development American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) http://www.afb.org Chair, Accessibility Work Group Free Standards Group http://accessibility.freestandards.org From aoliva at redhat.com Mon Oct 20 16:50:08 2003 From: aoliva at redhat.com (Alexandre Oliva) Date: 20 Oct 2003 14:50:08 -0200 Subject: lilo vs grub In-Reply-To: References: <3F931F56.4050400@bol.com.br> <20031020033323.GB2165@mark.mielke.cc> <200310200757.14447.jkeating@j2solutions.net> Message-ID: On Oct 20, 2003, Chris Ricker wrote: > grub only gets installed to one of the two disks in the mirror. If that one > fails, you can't boot. > This is because grub can't be installed to /dev/md?. LILO, in contrast, can. > You can work around it by manually installing GRUB to both components in the > mirror, but that's lame.... I find it better to be sure it works that being fooled into believing it would work and then, just when you most need it, finding out it doesn't, like it happened to me. See, /boot on raid1, and I thought this would save my life when I disk died. Today I know better. The problem is that, when a disk dies, the BIOS may renumber the disks. A mere change in the order of disks to boot from may renumber the disks, rendering all the settings stored in the disks useless. Also, if the actual /boot partitions happen to not be at the very same disk locations, or the disks don't have equivalent geometry, you lose. And don't even get me started on installing the boot loader in the first sector of the partition, instead of in the MBR. Unless lilo support for raid1 has improved a *lot* since I last used it, and I don't really see how to overcome most of the issues above, saying it supports raid1 is a fallacy. It may get you that warm fuzzy feeling that it's actually going to save you, but unless you actually test the failure scenario and make sure it works, I'd feel much better knowing I'd better have a rescue disk handy. FWIW, this is not meant as a rant against lilo; raid1 in grub can be no better, for the same reasons. The only difference is that it won't give you that warm fuzzy feeling that you're safe when you actually aren't. You may get yourself into this trap if you think you know what you're doing but not really :-), but then that's not grub's problem. -- Alexandre Oliva Enjoy Guarana', see http://www.ic.unicamp.br/~oliva/ Red Hat GCC Developer aoliva@{redhat.com, gcc.gnu.org} CS PhD student at IC-Unicamp oliva@{lsd.ic.unicamp.br, gnu.org} Free Software Evangelist Professional serial bug killer From janina at rednote.net Mon Oct 20 16:55:50 2003 From: janina at rednote.net (Janina Sajka) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 12:55:50 -0400 Subject: lilo vs grub In-Reply-To: <200310200909.47101.jkeating@j2solutions.net> References: <3F931F56.4050400@bol.com.br> <200310200838.43386.jkeating@j2solutions.net> <200310200909.47101.jkeating@j2solutions.net> Message-ID: <20031020165549.GC12274@rednote.net> Jesse Keating writes: > From: Jesse Keating > Content-Description: signed data > On Monday 20 October 2003 08:45, Chris Ricker wrote: > > grub needs to do the same w/o requiring manual intervention. Look in > > bugzilla for long bugs with lots of people subscribed to them who've > > found out the hard way that when you mirror on RH w/ grub and one > > disk dies, you will not boot until you hunt up a rescue disk and > > figure out how to reinstall grub. > > Seems like a trivial enough fix, one could almost script it to call grub > for mirror grub installs. Has anybody RFE'd this to the upstream grub > maintainers? And I suspect my list of eyes-free features is also trivial to implement--though I am not capable to do the coding. Point is that grub needs an expanded set of user requirements. Was there evern such a process there? Or did some folks sit down to do what they thought a boot loader should do? After all, this is a very critical stage in the process. Most users don't want to know about it, and that's fine. But, where it matters, it really matters. > > -- > Jesse Keating RHCE MCSE (geek.j2solutions.net) > Fedora Legacy Team (www.fedora.us/wiki/FedoraLegacy) > Mondo DevTeam (www.mondorescue.org) > GPG Public Key (geek.j2solutions.net/jkeating.j2solutions.pub) > > Was I helpful? Let others know: > http://svcs.affero.net/rm.php?r=jkeating -- Janina Sajka Email: janina at rednote.net Phone: (202) 408-8175 Director, Technology Research and Development American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) http://www.afb.org Chair, Accessibility Work Group Free Standards Group http://accessibility.freestandards.org From aoliva at redhat.com Mon Oct 20 16:55:51 2003 From: aoliva at redhat.com (Alexandre Oliva) Date: 20 Oct 2003 14:55:51 -0200 Subject: X86 and Monitor In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Oct 20, 2003, "Mike A. Harris" wrote: > 1600x1200 and 1920x1440 should work though. and 2048x1536, I suppose. Unfortunately my monitor can only go up to 1920x1440 :-( -- Alexandre Oliva Enjoy Guarana', see http://www.ic.unicamp.br/~oliva/ Red Hat GCC Developer aoliva@{redhat.com, gcc.gnu.org} CS PhD student at IC-Unicamp oliva@{lsd.ic.unicamp.br, gnu.org} Free Software Evangelist Professional serial bug killer From k_b0000 at yahoo.se Mon Oct 20 17:02:18 2003 From: k_b0000 at yahoo.se (k b) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 10:02:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: general problems with fedora, it works bad. In-Reply-To: <200310200945.26909.jkeating@j2solutions.net> Message-ID: <20031020170218.74364.qmail@web12007.mail.yahoo.com> > On Monday 20 October 2003 09:43, Ryan Nix wrote: > > I concur. Fedora has been the best release yet. > The whole system > > seems more responsive and stable. > sadly not in my case, most applications are responding slower then on RH9, and i did a clean install. well well, someone asked me to run apt-get update. i will try that, from where shall i download apt to get version that works with fedora? kb __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From rnix at prometheon.net Mon Oct 20 17:03:32 2003 From: rnix at prometheon.net (Ryan Nix) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 12:03:32 -0500 Subject: general problems with fedora, it works bad. In-Reply-To: <200310200945.26909.jkeating@j2solutions.net> References: <200310201630.h9KGU9M07850@mx1.redhat.com> <3F941098.2060901@prometheon.net> <200310200945.26909.jkeating@j2solutions.net> Message-ID: <3F941564.7090907@prometheon.net> Funny indeed. Thanks for the clarification that Fedora is still beta. Jesse Keating wrote: >On Monday 20 October 2003 09:43, Ryan Nix wrote: > > >>I concur. Fedora has been the best release yet. The whole system >>seems more responsive and stable. >> >> > >Funny that, since it hasn't been released yet... still in beta. > > > From cantisan at bol.com.br Mon Oct 20 17:04:25 2003 From: cantisan at bol.com.br (gsc) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 15:04:25 -0200 Subject: vote for Lilo Message-ID: <3F941599.6070803@bol.com.br> I don't know who is the responsible, but maybe a election to keep LILO can change the "things". :-) - Guilherme Cantisan - LILO From mharris at redhat.com Mon Oct 20 17:06:32 2003 From: mharris at redhat.com (Mike A. Harris) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 13:06:32 -0400 (EDT) Subject: X86 and Monitor In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, 20 Oct 2003, Alexandre Oliva wrote: >Date: 20 Oct 2003 14:55:51 -0200 >From: Alexandre Oliva >To: Mike A. Harris >Cc: fedora-test-list at redhat.com >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >Subject: Re: X86 and Monitor > >On Oct 20, 2003, "Mike A. Harris" wrote: > >> 1600x1200 and 1920x1440 should work though. > >and 2048x1536, I suppose. Unfortunately my monitor can only go up to >1920x1440 :-( Ah yes... XFree86 stock doesn't have a built in 2048x1536 mode, but I added it as a builtin mode while testing during 4.3.0 development. My monitor can go up to 2048x1536 no prob. ;oP -- Mike A. Harris ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris OS Systems Engineer - XFree86 maintainer - Red Hat From eric at interplas.com Mon Oct 20 17:26:02 2003 From: eric at interplas.com (Eric Wood) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 13:26:02 -0400 Subject: lilo vs grub References: <3F931F56.4050400@bol.com.br><20031020033323.GB2165@mark.mielke.cc><200310200757.14447.jkeating@j2solutions.net> Message-ID: <023601c3972f$3c50ef20$9100000a@intgrp.com> > On Oct 20, 2003, Chris Ricker wrote: >> This is because grub can't be installed to /dev/md?. LILO, in >> contrast, can. Interesting email found from google: http://www.mail-archive.com/bug-grub at gnu.org/msg06342.html Sounds like Anaconda sould run the roo()+setup() for each drive during the install. -eric wood From dnrlinux at san.rr.com Mon Oct 20 17:31:40 2003 From: dnrlinux at san.rr.com (Don) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 10:31:40 -0700 Subject: hardware or software problem? (fct3) In-Reply-To: <1066506399.5128.17.camel@vaio.jumanjihouse.com> Message-ID: Paul, Thanks for the information... after you confirmed that master/slave configuration SHOULDN'T matter, and I continued to have problems, I decided to check out a few things... And bugzilla people are suggesting I have hardware (disk) problems, I decided to do a few things... 1 - I bought a brand new hard drive (WDC 120Gig) 2 - a new BIOS upgrade was available.... (though I didn't see anything in the release notes that seemed relevant) 3 - I found the manual for the PC and read the section of "Adding an additional hard disk".... blah blah blah "... the new hard disk MUST be configured as MASTER, requiring the CD-ROM to be change to slave, and reconnected to the "slave" connector on the ATA100 80 pin connector." In hind sight, I should have done option 3 first.... that was free. (On the other hand, the only reason I found it was because I came across it while looking for option 2, and the only reason I was looking for a new BIOS was because I was still having problems with a brand new drive. Anyway.... after a day of removing the CD-ROM drive, changing the connections, reinstalling various flavors of Redhat 9.0, Fedora Core Test 2, Fedora Core Test 3 I managed to get slightly further.... But the install fails miserably with no warning/error messages during the process. However, after the fact, on firstboot, the system does not show the graphical boot up process..... and then hangs after the message about "swap space....[OK]" On another train of thought, I've seen a lot of discussion here about NVIDIA this machine has an nvidia card with 64Meg... maybe that's why I'm having problems. Though oddly enough, the install itself manages to use it OK... hmmm, maybe that's a VGA setting and I'm trying to use 1024x768.. maybe I should just try a plain VGA setting and then change it after the fact. Don > -----Original Message----- > From: fedora-test-list-admin at redhat.com > [mailto:fedora-test-list-admin at redhat.com]On Behalf Of Paul Morgan > Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2003 12:47 PM > To: Fedora Test > Subject: Re: hardware or software problem? (fct3) > > > On Sat, 2003-10-18 at 02:11, Don Russell wrote: > > When it boots up for "first boot", it doesn't go into the graphical > > boot.... and after all the "starting...[OK]" messages a message: > > > > INIT: Id "x" respawning too fast: disabled for 5 minutes > > try booting into runlevel 3, then run redhat-config-xfree86 > > specific instructions in case your new to linux: > at the grub bootloader, press an "e" on your os line, arrow down to the > line starting with "kernel" and press "e" again (to edit). at the end of > that line add " init 3", press enter, then press "b" (to boot). > if it boots ok, then login as root and run redhat-config-xfree86 > > you'll want to review /var/log/messages for relevant messages, too. > > > The second hard disk is "slave" with the cdrom is "master. The other > > hard disk is master on the primary channel > > There is nothing necessarily wrong with this, but from a performance > standpoint it is usually better to place fast devices such as hard > drives as master while placing slower drives as slaves. > > > Have I done anything obviously stupid/silly? Should both hard disks be > > on the same channel and leave the cd by itself? > > No. Main boot hard disk goes as primary master, next fastest disk (your > secondary hard drive) should go as secondary master, first optical > should go as secondary slave, and second optical should go as primary > slave. (from a performance standpoint, that is). > > > Also, one error during install... I tried to create a boot diskette, > > but it got an error when trying to write to the disk.... I tried two > > different diskettes, then proceeded without a boot diskette. > > That's ok for now. You can always run "mkbootdisk" after you have a > working system. > > HTH -paul > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From jbinpg at shaw.ca Mon Oct 20 17:42:57 2003 From: jbinpg at shaw.ca (Jack Bowling) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 10:42:57 -0700 Subject: supermount or equiv? In-Reply-To: <1066657696.28650.9.camel@zephyr> References: <200310200912.51452.nbecker@hns.com> <1066657696.28650.9.camel@zephyr> Message-ID: <20031020174257.GB3651@nonesuch.ca.shawcable.net> On Mon, Oct 20, 2003 at 10:48:17AM -0300, Ben Steeves wrote: > On Mon, 2003-10-20 at 10:12, Neal D. Becker wrote: > > Is there any support for automatically mounting a removable device, e.g., > > cdrom, when media is inserted? > > Yes, and it's enabled by default -- magicdev. The first package I > remove, actually :-) Me too. Magicdev is EVIL... -- Jack Bowling mailto: jbinpg at shaw.ca From esimmonds at speakeasy.net Mon Oct 20 17:45:12 2003 From: esimmonds at speakeasy.net (Ed) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 12:45:12 -0500 Subject: Fedora Issues In-Reply-To: <200310201710.32666.fedora@warmcat.com> References: <1066665712.5083.11.camel@trillian.myserenity.net> <200310201710.32666.fedora@warmcat.com> Message-ID: <1066671911.5083.23.camel@trillian.myserenity.net> On Mon, 2003-10-20 at 11:10, Andy Green wrote: > Sounds to me like your machine is barely working, when it gets hot (from the > kernel compile, or the screensaver) it is failing to work at all. > ''Segfaults or other problems'' makes it sound like a nonspecific hardware > mailaise. Is it possible you have a bad DIMM of RAM, or you are > overclocking, or a family of mice are living inside the dust on the > motherboard? Or one of your fans is broken on the motherboard, that'd do it? Sure, that's the first thing I would think except I don't overclock (I actually underclock on my backup server). This same machine runs RH9 for days straight with no problems. I also run Gentoo (with it's 4 and 5 hour compiles) on another partition without a hitch. I have duplicated these problems on another box, a tower server with seven fans. Has anyone compiled a kernel successfully (i686, not athlon?) Best, -- Edward Simmonds RHCE, OCP From jbinpg at shaw.ca Mon Oct 20 17:45:19 2003 From: jbinpg at shaw.ca (Jack Bowling) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 10:45:19 -0700 Subject: vote for Lilo In-Reply-To: <3F941599.6070803@bol.com.br> References: <3F941599.6070803@bol.com.br> Message-ID: <20031020174519.GC3651@nonesuch.ca.shawcable.net> On Mon, Oct 20, 2003 at 03:04:25PM -0200, gsc wrote: > > I don't know who is the responsible, but maybe a election to keep LILO > can change the "things". :-) If Fecora eventually works as planned, I imagine it could always appear as a contrib package. -- Jack Bowling mailto: jbinpg at shaw.ca From kjb at dds.nl Mon Oct 20 17:45:48 2003 From: kjb at dds.nl (Klaasjan Brand) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 19:45:48 +0200 Subject: RealPlayer9 - floating point exception In-Reply-To: <3F93C806.1070603@tech-access.com> References: <3F93C806.1070603@tech-access.com> Message-ID: <1066671948.1509.3.camel@isengard> On Mon, 2003-10-20 at 13:33, Sean Craig wrote: > Hi All, > > I remember a thread on this list regarding RealPlayer 9. At the time, I > downloaded the rpm (RealPlayer9-9.0.7.151-4.i386.rpm) and all was good. > > I have applied all the FC t3 updates since then, and I now get 'floating > point exception' before realplayer croaks. > > Anybody knows what broke real? Any pointers on how I can check what's > breaking? Nope, but I wonder if it's a coincidence quake3 crashes with the same exception... Klaasjan From jkeating at j2solutions.net Mon Oct 20 17:47:26 2003 From: jkeating at j2solutions.net (Jesse Keating) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 10:47:26 -0700 Subject: Fedora Issues In-Reply-To: <1066671911.5083.23.camel@trillian.myserenity.net> References: <1066665712.5083.11.camel@trillian.myserenity.net> <200310201710.32666.fedora@warmcat.com> <1066671911.5083.23.camel@trillian.myserenity.net> Message-ID: <200310201047.35524.jkeating@j2solutions.net> On Monday 20 October 2003 10:45, Ed wrote: > I have duplicated these problems on another box, a tower server with > seven fans. Has anyone compiled a kernel successfully (i686, not > athlon?) Are you using gcc32 for the kernel compile? The stock gcc (3.3) will not compile a kernel. -- Jesse Keating RHCE MCSE (geek.j2solutions.net) Fedora Legacy Team (www.fedora.us/wiki/FedoraLegacy) Mondo DevTeam (www.mondorescue.org) GPG Public Key (geek.j2solutions.net/jkeating.j2solutions.pub) Was I helpful? Let others know: http://svcs.affero.net/rm.php?r=jkeating -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: signature URL: From jspaleta at princeton.edu Mon Oct 20 17:49:13 2003 From: jspaleta at princeton.edu (Jef Spaleta) Date: 20 Oct 2003 13:49:13 -0400 Subject: LILO Message-ID: <1066672152.9303.13.camel@spatula> Janina Sajka wrote: > 2.) Interface to a serial device From the commands info subsection of the grub infopage: general commands: * serial:: Set up a serial device - Command: serial [`--unit=unit'] [`--port=port'] [`--speed=speed'] [`--word=word'] [`--parity=parity'] [`--stop=stop'] [`--device=dev'] * terminal:: Choose a terminal - Command: terminal [`--dumb'] [`--no-echo'] [`--no-edit'] [`--timeout=secs'] [`--lines=lines'] [`--silent'] [`console'] [`serial'] [`hercules'] There is an info subsection for serial terminals as well Might even want to look at the "preset menu" info subsection. > 4) The command line should still expire after a user defined interval. menu-specific commands * hiddenmenu:: Hide the menu interface - Command: hiddenmenu Don't display the menu. If the command is used, no menu will be displayed on the control terminal, and the default entry will be booted after the timeout expired. The user can still request the menu to be displayed by pressing before the timeout expires. See also *Note Hidden menu interface::. * timeout:: Set the timeout - Command: timeout sec Set a timeout, in SEC seconds, before automatically booting the default entry (normally the first entry defined). -jef"aliasing a kernel by name..i dont know about...but maybe adding ctl-G's to a title entry works for grub"spaleta -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From esimmonds at speakeasy.net Mon Oct 20 17:55:43 2003 From: esimmonds at speakeasy.net (Ed) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 12:55:43 -0500 Subject: Fedora Issues In-Reply-To: <200310201047.35524.jkeating@j2solutions.net> References: <1066665712.5083.11.camel@trillian.myserenity.net> <200310201710.32666.fedora@warmcat.com> <1066671911.5083.23.camel@trillian.myserenity.net> <200310201047.35524.jkeating@j2solutions.net> Message-ID: <1066672543.5083.26.camel@trillian.myserenity.net> On Mon, 2003-10-20 at 12:47, Jesse Keating wrote: > Are you using gcc32 for the kernel compile? The stock gcc (3.3) will > not compile a kernel. Yep, using gcc32. Thanks for the idea though! -- Edward Simmonds RHCE, OCP From fedora at warmcat.com Mon Oct 20 16:29:11 2003 From: fedora at warmcat.com (Andy Green) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 17:29:11 +0100 Subject: general problems with fedora, it works bad. In-Reply-To: <20031020161257.83800.qmail@web12005.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20031020161257.83800.qmail@web12005.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200310201729.11991.fedora@warmcat.com> On Monday 20 October 2003 17:12, k b wrote: > also, for fedora developers. an graphical applications > to add, remove, configure fonts, and also copy them to > the correct directories and make them globally > available would be nice. In the KDE Control Panel, System Administration section, there is a "Font Installer" applet. I didn't use it yet but I think it does what you want. -Andy From ted at cypress.com Mon Oct 20 18:07:18 2003 From: ted at cypress.com (Thomas Dodd) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 13:07:18 -0500 Subject: Mozilla 1.5 In-Reply-To: <3F92ADBD.9030908@redhat.com> References: <3F90702D.6050301@bol.com.br> <3F92ADBD.9030908@redhat.com> Message-ID: <3F942456.7020001@cypress.com> > gsc wrote: >> Will be enclosed the Mozilla 1.5 in the fedora final version ? I hope not. But the time fedora final is release, I home mozilla ahs gone away, and been replaced by more managable code. If you talking about Fedora Core 1, then previous answers are correct. Then again I'm using the gtk2 version of 1.5rc2 from mozilla.org with no issues. -Thomas From janina at rednote.net Mon Oct 20 18:20:15 2003 From: janina at rednote.net (Janina Sajka) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 14:20:15 -0400 Subject: LILO In-Reply-To: <1066672152.9303.13.camel@spatula> References: <1066672152.9303.13.camel@spatula> Message-ID: <20031020182015.GB14700@rednote.net> Jef Spaleta writes: > From: Jef Spaleta > > Janina Sajka wrote: > > > 2.) Interface to a serial device > > From the commands info subsection of the grub infopage: > > general commands: > * serial:: Set up a serial device > - Command: serial [`--unit=unit'] [`--port=port'] [`--speed=speed'] > [`--word=word'] [`--parity=parity'] [`--stop=stop'] > [`--device=dev'] > > * terminal:: Choose a terminal > - Command: terminal [`--dumb'] [`--no-echo'] [`--no-edit'] > [`--timeout=secs'] [`--lines=lines'] [`--silent'] [`console'] > [`serial'] [`hercules'] > > There is an info subsection for serial terminals as well > Might even want to look at the "preset menu" info subsection. Yes, I was not clear about this one. This is very helpful, but there is a second, requirement to just send a text message to a (possibly present, possibly absent) serial device without establishing a full interface. I suppose that should have been two items. > > > 4) The command line should still expire after a user defined > interval. > > menu-specific commands > * hiddenmenu:: Hide the menu interface > - Command: hiddenmenu > Don't display the menu. If the command is used, no menu will be > displayed on the control terminal, and the default entry will be > booted after the timeout expired. The user can still request the > menu to be displayed by pressing before the timeout expires. > See also *Note Hidden menu interface::. > > * timeout:: Set the timeout > - Command: timeout sec > Set a timeout, in SEC seconds, before automatically booting the > default entry (normally the first entry defined). > This isn't the same thing. I'm aware you can do the time out from the menu interface. What about the command line interface? Does it, can it also time out? > > -jef"aliasing a kernel by name..i dont know about...but maybe > adding ctl-G's to a title entry works for grub"spaleta -- Janina Sajka Email: janina at rednote.net Phone: (202) 408-8175 Director, Technology Research and Development American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) http://www.afb.org Chair, Accessibility Work Group Free Standards Group http://accessibility.freestandards.org From ted at cypress.com Mon Oct 20 18:23:00 2003 From: ted at cypress.com (Thomas Dodd) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 13:23:00 -0500 Subject: X86 and Monitor In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3F942804.2010302@cypress.com> Mike A. Harris wrote: > On Mon, 20 Oct 2003, Noah Silva [Mailing list] wrote: > > >>I have a sun 21 inch monitor, and anaconda couldn't detect it, so I put in >>"Generic CRT -> 1600x1400". When the install completed, it came up in Sounds like the installer gave it as an option. > XFree86 does not contain built in video modelines for 1600x1400 > nor for 2048x1600, so you'll have to enter your own video > modelines in order to use either of those rather obscure > resolutions. > > I'm kindof surprised either resolution is even valid. ;o) I didn't think there was an invalid resolution in XF86. I've toyed with modelines and gotten some truly strange ones. I had one monitor that couldn't do 1600x1200 noninterlaced, but it could so do 60Hz-ni a few pixles less (like 1550x1150 or similar). XF865 never complained. -Thomas From dstewart at atl.lmco.com Mon Oct 20 18:32:50 2003 From: dstewart at atl.lmco.com (Douglas Stewart) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 14:32:50 -0400 Subject: RHGB not .. GBing... In-Reply-To: References: <1066647761.3f93c0d1de2a5@aoi.atari-source.com> Message-ID: <3F942A52.1070408@atl.lmco.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Alexandre Oliva wrote: | You have to add `rhgb' to the boot command line to get rhgb now. | What is the reasoning behind that? I rather liked it defaulting to booting graphically. First time my wife has ever said "Ooooh! Nice!" when looking at a Linux boot-up process... *grin* - -- - ---------- Doug Stewart Systems Administrator/Web Applications Developer Lockheed Martin Advanced Technology Labs Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/lCpSN50Q8DVvcvkRAvqLAJ90iFyMs+Ofkazvlh72D2bKU6AqdQCdH8dP Kry8KjwzkXx2CLgvcp5nO4E= =qqi+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From ted at cypress.com Mon Oct 20 18:25:28 2003 From: ted at cypress.com (Thomas Dodd) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 13:25:28 -0500 Subject: vote for Lilo In-Reply-To: <20031020174519.GC3651@nonesuch.ca.shawcable.net> References: <3F941599.6070803@bol.com.br> <20031020174519.GC3651@nonesuch.ca.shawcable.net> Message-ID: <3F942898.5070901@cypress.com> Jack Bowling wrote: > On Mon, Oct 20, 2003 at 03:04:25PM -0200, gsc wrote: > >>I don't know who is the responsible, but maybe a election to keep LILO >>can change the "things". :-) > > > If Fecora eventually works as planned, I imagine it could always appear > as a contrib package. Which is useless if you cannot boot with grub. The installer needs to install grub or you'll never beable to install contrib packages. FWIW, I have such a system. -Thomas From bakers at web-ster.com Mon Oct 20 18:38:07 2003 From: bakers at web-ster.com (Scott Baker) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 11:38:07 -0700 Subject: Compiling 2.6.0 Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20031020113335.00a98ad0@mail.web-ster.com> I downloaded the source for Kernel 2.6.0 test8 and I'm able to compile and get a kernel out of the deal but when I reboot I get a "cannot open root device label=/" I think it may have something to do with not have an initrd image, I'm not sure. When I try and do an initrd I get a "missing dep file" error. Even though I have the latest mkinitrd RPM from RawHide. "make dep" is no longer valid with the 2.6.0 series of kernel so I don't know how to get mkinitrd to stop complaining. Someone must have run into this before me. Scott ----------------------------------- Scott Baker - Webster Internet Network Engineer - RHCE bakers at web-ster.com - 503.266.8253 From otaylor at redhat.com Mon Oct 20 18:50:30 2003 From: otaylor at redhat.com (Owen Taylor) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 14:50:30 -0400 Subject: vote for Lilo In-Reply-To: <3F942898.5070901@cypress.com> References: <3F941599.6070803@bol.com.br> <20031020174519.GC3651@nonesuch.ca.shawcable.net> <3F942898.5070901@cypress.com> Message-ID: <1066675830.13609.88.camel@poincare.devel.redhat.com> On Mon, 2003-10-20 at 14:25, Thomas Dodd wrote: > Jack Bowling wrote: > > On Mon, Oct 20, 2003 at 03:04:25PM -0200, gsc wrote: > > > >>I don't know who is the responsible, but maybe a election to keep LILO > >>can change the "things". :-) > > > > > > If Fecora eventually works as planned, I imagine it could always appear > > as a contrib package. > > Which is useless if you cannot boot with grub. The installer needs to > install grub or you'll never beable to install contrib packages. > > FWIW, I have such a system. The reasonable thing to do here is to fix Grub. If we just include Lilo support, how would we present it to the user? [x] GRUB works on my system This is not a sensible choice to present to the user. Regards, Owen From itsme_410 at yahoo.com Mon Oct 20 19:05:24 2003 From: itsme_410 at yahoo.com (Globe Trotter) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 12:05:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: vote for Lilo In-Reply-To: <1066675830.13609.88.camel@poincare.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20031020190524.2618.qmail@web40302.mail.yahoo.com> I am just about to try out Fedora. I had trouble using GRUB and RAID on Shrike (RH9) earlier. The problem went away when I used LILO. I was wondering if the problem of not being able to boot at all, using GRUB (with RAID) have been taken care of. Because otherwise, Fedora would be a non-starter for me. Thanks! --- Owen Taylor wrote: > On Mon, 2003-10-20 at 14:25, Thomas Dodd wrote: > > Jack Bowling wrote: > > > On Mon, Oct 20, 2003 at 03:04:25PM -0200, gsc wrote: > > > > > >>I don't know who is the responsible, but maybe a election to keep LILO > > >>can change the "things". :-) > > > > > > > > > If Fecora eventually works as planned, I imagine it could always appear > > > as a contrib package. > > > > Which is useless if you cannot boot with grub. The installer needs to > > install grub or you'll never beable to install contrib packages. > > > > FWIW, I have such a system. > > The reasonable thing to do here is to fix Grub. If we just include Lilo > support, how would we present it to the user? > > [x] GRUB works on my system > > This is not a sensible choice to present to the user. > > Regards, > Owen > > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From janina at rednote.net Mon Oct 20 19:06:05 2003 From: janina at rednote.net (Janina Sajka) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 15:06:05 -0400 Subject: vote for Lilo In-Reply-To: <1066675830.13609.88.camel@poincare.devel.redhat.com> References: <3F941599.6070803@bol.com.br> <20031020174519.GC3651@nonesuch.ca.shawcable.net> <3F942898.5070901@cypress.com> <1066675830.13609.88.camel@poincare.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20031020190605.GD15678@rednote.net> Owen Taylor writes: > > The reasonable thing to do here is to fix Grub. If we just include Lilo > support, how would we present it to the user? I think this is correct. But, meanwhile, we need the choice to install either grub or lilo, as per Shrike and Psyche. And, we also need to clarify the missing features requirements. I know I threw up a quick and dirty list. But, I'm not ready to say this is a complete list from the accessibility point of view. We need to vet that around the various kinds of interface user group communities. This will take some time--time and effort we will put in under the FSG Accessibility WG. But, meanwhile, there's FC 1.0, and possibly 2.0, etc. > > [x] GRUB works on my system > > This is not a sensible choice to present to the user. > > Regards, > Owen > > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list -- Janina Sajka Email: janina at rednote.net Phone: (202) 408-8175 Director, Technology Research and Development American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) http://www.afb.org Chair, Accessibility Work Group Free Standards Group http://accessibility.freestandards.org From awol at home.nl Mon Oct 20 19:13:04 2003 From: awol at home.nl (Alexander Volovics) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 21:13:04 +0200 Subject: X86 and Monitor In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20031020191304.GA2822@home.nl> On Mon, Oct 20, 2003 at 12:28:46PM -0400, Mike A. Harris wrote: > 1600x1200 and 1920x1440 should work though. I installed fedora 3 times (test 1,2,3) on a dell i8200 with 1600x1200 laptop screen configuring the monitor correctly as such during install and 3 times after install I booted into 1024x768 and had to correct it manually :( (did not check if this was bugzillad already) Alexander From maport1 at uky.edu Mon Oct 20 19:02:44 2003 From: maport1 at uky.edu (Michael Anthony Porter) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 15:02:44 -0400 Subject: Fedora Issues Message-ID: <1066676564.53ba9b00maport1@uky.edu> > Has anyone compiled a kernel successfully (i686, not athlon?) I've compiled 2.6.0-test(7|8) with absolutely no compilation problems (just some USB keyboard/mouse related problems) on FC1T3. =================================== Michael A. Porter University of Kentucky From florin at sgi.com Mon Oct 20 19:09:15 2003 From: florin at sgi.com (Florin Andrei) Date: 20 Oct 2003 12:09:15 -0700 Subject: vote for Lilo In-Reply-To: <3F942898.5070901@cypress.com> References: <3F941599.6070803@bol.com.br> <20031020174519.GC3651@nonesuch.ca.shawcable.net> <3F942898.5070901@cypress.com> Message-ID: <1066676955.25841.7.camel@stantz.corp.sgi.com> On Mon, 2003-10-20 at 11:25, Thomas Dodd wrote: > Which is useless if you cannot boot with grub. The installer needs to > install grub or you'll never beable to install contrib packages. > FWIW, I have such a system. Yeah, the GRUB version included in RH9 does not work on some MSI NForce1 motherboards. Those things are pretty popular. My primary workstation is like that. I didn't tested newer GRUB versions, though (like CVS or such). -- Florin Andrei http://florin.myip.org/ From kevin at ucsd.edu Mon Oct 20 19:12:54 2003 From: kevin at ucsd.edu (Kevin Bowen) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 12:12:54 -0700 Subject: totem/xine-libs problem Message-ID: I tried installing totem and xine-libs on my fedora .95 system, from both the rpm.livna.org and freshrpms repositories, and in both cases, on running totem, it quits with: "totem: relocation error: totem: undefined symbol: xine_engine_set_param" gxine says the same thing ("gxine" substitued for "totem" of course). Any ideas why this might be, or how I could fix it? Anyone know of any other packages of totem/xine-libs that are known to work on fedora? ************************************************************************ Kevin Bowen UCSD ACS/Network Operations, Customer Support Help Desk kevin at ucsd.edu / (858) 534-1857 / http://www-no.ucsd.edu Phone Support: 7 AM to 7 PM / Walk-in Support: 10 AM to 3:30 PM ************************************************************************ From ted at cypress.com Mon Oct 20 19:19:37 2003 From: ted at cypress.com (Thomas Dodd) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 14:19:37 -0500 Subject: vote for Lilo In-Reply-To: <1066675830.13609.88.camel@poincare.devel.redhat.com> References: <3F941599.6070803@bol.com.br> <20031020174519.GC3651@nonesuch.ca.shawcable.net> <3F942898.5070901@cypress.com> <1066675830.13609.88.camel@poincare.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <3F943549.6010304@cypress.com> Owen Taylor wrote: > The reasonable thing to do here is to fix Grub. If we just include Lilo > support, how would we present it to the user? How do we get grub fixed? I reported this as a problem with the first Red Hat release that included grub. It's still not fixed to my knowledge. Florin just said it doesn't work one sme even newer boards than mine. > [x] GRUB works on my system > > This is not a sensible choice to present to the user. I'd use Grub as the default. Inform the the user it may not work and to use some option at install time if it doesn't. The a boot option to the installer to use lilo instead. Kickstart/anaconda already support picking lilo right? Should be in the RELEASE-NOTES too. -Thomas From felipe_alfaro at linuxmail.org Mon Oct 20 19:36:52 2003 From: felipe_alfaro at linuxmail.org (Felipe Alfaro Solana) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 21:36:52 +0200 Subject: general problems with fedora, it works bad. In-Reply-To: <3F941098.2060901@prometheon.net> References: <200310201630.h9KGU9M07850@mx1.redhat.com> <3F941098.2060901@prometheon.net> Message-ID: <1066678612.977.0.camel@teapot.felipe-alfaro.com> On Mon, 2003-10-20 at 18:43, Ryan Nix wrote: > I concur. Fedora has been the best release yet. The whole system seems > more responsive and stable. I truly agree... Compared to other distros I've used, like SuSE 8.2, Fedora Test 3 is the most responsive distro I've ever used. From stfn at gmx.net Mon Oct 20 19:38:43 2003 From: stfn at gmx.net (Stefan Hoelldampf) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 21:38:43 +0200 Subject: Compiling 2.6.0 In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20031020113335.00a98ad0@mail.web-ster.com> References: <5.2.1.1.0.20031020113335.00a98ad0@mail.web-ster.com> Message-ID: <3F9439C3.1070600@gmx.net> Scott Baker wrote: > I downloaded the source for Kernel 2.6.0 test8 and I'm able to compile and > get a kernel out of the deal but when I reboot I get a "cannot open root > device label=/" Did you download kernel-2.6.0-test8 from kernel.org or do you use (Source-)RPMs from http://people.redhat.com/arjanv/2.5/ ? Regards, Stefan From felipe_alfaro at linuxmail.org Mon Oct 20 19:39:42 2003 From: felipe_alfaro at linuxmail.org (Felipe Alfaro Solana) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 21:39:42 +0200 Subject: vote for Lilo In-Reply-To: <3F941599.6070803@bol.com.br> References: <3F941599.6070803@bol.com.br> Message-ID: <1066678781.977.4.camel@teapot.felipe-alfaro.com> On Mon, 2003-10-20 at 19:04, gsc wrote: > I don't know who is the responsible, but maybe a election to keep LILO > can change the "things". :-) What features are you missing from LILO that you can't have with GRUB? I have used both LILO and GRUB and I think GRUB is far more powerful than LILO. If I screw up my system, I can reconfigure nearly anything from withing GRUB itself. However, on LILO, you are required to re-run LILO every time you change kernels, for example. From johnsonm at redhat.com Mon Oct 20 19:48:32 2003 From: johnsonm at redhat.com (Michael K. Johnson) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 15:48:32 -0400 Subject: Speakup in kernel In-Reply-To: <20031020155537.GI7677@rednote.net>; from janina@rednote.net on Mon, Oct 20, 2003 at 11:55:37AM -0400 References: <3163.142.167.72.162.1066313381.squirrel@mail.ceimaine.org> <20031019185454.B22298@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <20031020155537.GI7677@rednote.net> Message-ID: <20031020154832.A13133@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Mon, Oct 20, 2003 at 11:55:37AM -0400, Janina Sajka wrote: > I think we're also trying to move it upstream as a coordinated componant > in a matrix of devices requiring support from the bios through the > desktop. Wow, I'm having trouble groking that. I maintain that if it can be submitted for our kernel, it can be submitted upstream. If it is not ready for upstream, I stand by my opinion that it is not ready for our kernel either. > Indeed, there is a releated FSG project now getting under way > in the new Accessibility WG I chair under FSG. I'm thinking lkml and kernel.org, not FSG... > Meanwhil, modularized Speakup is good stuff and much needed today. I > would venture to say that we listened when we were told "modularize it." > However, are we waiting for perfection in any product to put it in the > distro? I suspect not. So, please accept our significant progress with > the strong assurance that we share the larger, more long-term goal to > "move upstream." We're rather late for FC1. Has the driver been ported (inasmuch as is necessary) to 2.6 yet? Finally, this is really a fedora-devel-list topic. michaelkjohnson "He that composes himself is wiser than he that composes a book." Linux Application Development -- Ben Franklin http://people.redhat.com/johnsonm/lad/ From esm at logic.net Mon Oct 20 19:49:23 2003 From: esm at logic.net (esm at logic.net) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 14:49:23 -0500 Subject: vote for Lilo In-Reply-To: <1066678781.977.4.camel@teapot.felipe-alfaro.com> References: <3F941599.6070803@bol.com.br> <1066678781.977.4.camel@teapot.felipe-alfaro.com> Message-ID: <20031020194923.GB7895@talus.logic.net> On Mon, 2003-10-20 at 19:04, gsc wrote: > I don't know who is the responsible, but maybe a election to keep LILO > can change the "things". :-) As a point in the other direction, I have a machine here that simply cannot boot a bzImage kernel with LILO (zImage works fine). GRUB and syslinux work just fine (and I actually had to use GRUB on my own for a while after Red Hat switched to bzImage kernels as the default). -- Edward S. Marshall http://esm.logic.net/ Felix qui potuit rerum cognoscere causas. From akabi at speakeasy.net Mon Oct 20 19:53:35 2003 From: akabi at speakeasy.net (ne...) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 15:53:35 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Fedora Issues In-Reply-To: <1066665712.5083.11.camel@trillian.myserenity.net> References: <1066665712.5083.11.camel@trillian.myserenity.net> Message-ID: On Oct 20, 2003 at 11:01, Ed in a soothing rage wrote: >I don't post often so bear with me. > >I am having serious problems with Fedora (every version, but now >Beta3). I just did a clean install of beta3 because I wanted a clean >system. > >1. up2date just didn't work. I gave up and tried yum. >2. yum didn't work, ran for hours and kept popping up warnings about bad >rpms. But up2date and yum work fine. Make sure you have the most recent versions. Check the list archives for various solutions to this if you haven't already done so. >I can live with package management now, but the thing that is killing me >is that I can't compile a kernel-- ANY kernel. Using gcc32, default >configs from /configs directory, smp kernel, vanilla kernel from >kernel.org, nothing will compile. Everything fails with segmentation >faults or other problems. Has anyone compiled a stock RedHat kernel or >vanilla kernel? How did RedHat compile them in the first place to create >the binary RPMs? As you know the configs from the /configs directory won't work on a vanilla kernel from kernel.org. I note from other messages in this thread that you do not overclock. I am not sure whether exec-shield affects compiling. Look into it. >Other problems with beta3: >- X randomly locks up when screensaver kicks in. I have to reboot. Depending on the graf card you have, this has been known to happen with the opengl screensavers. Try disabling them. I must say they work fine on my Matrox G550. N.Emile... -- Registered Linux User # 125653 (http://counter.li.org) Switch to: http://www.speakeasy.net/refer/190653 user to computer ration too low. 15:45:19 up 57 days, 3:19, 4 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 From iainr at zathras.org Mon Oct 20 20:02:38 2003 From: iainr at zathras.org (Iain Rae) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 21:02:38 +0100 Subject: LILO In-Reply-To: <20031020162325.GM7677@rednote.net> References: <20031019170554.GO9369@rednote.net> <20031020162325.GM7677@rednote.net> Message-ID: <3F943F5E.4050807@zathras.org> Janina Sajka wrote: >Tom Diehl writes: > > >>From: Tom Diehl >> >>On Sun, 19 Oct 2003, Janina Sajka wrote: >> >> >> >>>And a sad thing it is, too, for those of us requiring eyes-free booting >>>options. >>> >>>Grub may be a step forward in many ways, but it's a step backwards for >>>the eyes-free user at this time. >>> >>> >>Why?? What will lilo do that grub will not?? Maybe there is a solution that >>you are not aware of. OTOH maybe there is not but it does not hurt to ask. >> >> > >I'd love to be wrong. So here goes. I sincerely hope at least some items >on this list are just my own ignorznce of Grub. > >Not necessarily prioritized: > >1.) The ability to play a sound to indicate the boot loader is ready >for user actions. In System Commander these are cutsy little tunes. In >lilo we simply drop two or three Ctrl-G's into /boot/message. > > It's important to know when the window of opportunity is open. > >2.) Interface to a serial device. This should run the gamut > from simply sending a ASCII string out the first serial port, to > function as a fully capable interactive interface over serial. > > I know that at least some in the industry want serial ports to > go away forever. But, usb is not a substitute at low levels > during the boot process. > > Let's remember that computers (before Intel) routinely > made bios level access available on the first serial > port if a monitor was not present. We need to go back to > that. > it's perfectly possible to configure grub to display to VGA or serial (or both, accepting input from the first to register a keystroke). As for the rest why not signup to the grub developers mailing list and make your points there? From rpjday at mindspring.com Mon Oct 20 20:02:57 2003 From: rpjday at mindspring.com (Robert P. J. Day) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 16:02:57 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Compiling 2.6.0 In-Reply-To: <3F9439C3.1070600@gmx.net> Message-ID: On Mon, 20 Oct 2003, Stefan Hoelldampf wrote: > Scott Baker wrote: > > I downloaded the source for Kernel 2.6.0 test8 and I'm able to compile and > > get a kernel out of the deal but when I reboot I get a "cannot open root > > device label=/" > > Did you download kernel-2.6.0-test8 from kernel.org or do you use > (Source-)RPMs from http://people.redhat.com/arjanv/2.5/ ? you can't boot via label in the /etc/fstab file if you don't have an initrd file. simple as that. rday From shrek-m at gmx.de Mon Oct 20 20:03:36 2003 From: shrek-m at gmx.de (shrek-m at gmx.de) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 22:03:36 +0200 Subject: vote for Lilo In-Reply-To: <1066676955.25841.7.camel@stantz.corp.sgi.com> References: <3F941599.6070803@bol.com.br> <20031020174519.GC3651@nonesuch.ca.shawcable.net> <3F942898.5070901@cypress.com> <1066676955.25841.7.camel@stantz.corp.sgi.com> Message-ID: <3F943F98.5010504@gmx.de> Florin Andrei wrote: >On Mon, 2003-10-20 at 11:25, Thomas Dodd wrote: > > >>Which is useless if you cannot boot with grub. The installer needs to >>install grub or you'll never beable to install contrib packages. >>FWIW, I have such a system. >> >> >Yeah, the GRUB version included in RH9 does not work on some MSI NForce1 >motherboards. > msi - k7n420 pro - nforce1 no problems here with grub rhl 7.x/betas/8.0/betas/9/severn* > Those things are pretty popular. My primary workstation is >like that. >I didn't tested newer GRUB versions, though (like CVS or such). > > -- shrek-m From paul at all-the-johnsons.co.uk Mon Oct 20 20:04:03 2003 From: paul at all-the-johnsons.co.uk (Paul) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 21:04:03 +0100 Subject: Compiling 2.6.0 In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20031020113335.00a98ad0@mail.web-ster.com> References: <5.2.1.1.0.20031020113335.00a98ad0@mail.web-ster.com> Message-ID: <1066680243.1974.11.camel@T6.linux> Hi, > I downloaded the source for Kernel 2.6.0 test8 and I'm able to compile and > get a kernel out of the deal but when I reboot I get a "cannot open root > device label=/" You need to edit /boot/grub/grub.conf (assuming you're using grub) so that where it says root=LABEL=/ it reads root=/dev/hda2 (or whichever drive /boot is on) > I think it may have something to do with not have an initrd image, I'm not > sure. When I try and do an initrd I get a "missing dep file" error. Even > though I have the latest mkinitrd RPM from RawHide. "make dep" is no > longer valid with the 2.6.0 series of kernel so I don't know how to get > mkinitrd to stop complaining. Someone must have run into this before me. Best way to compile (I've found) 1. run the configure app, save 2. make all 3. mkdir /lib/modules/2.6.0-test8 4. make install && modules_install 5. edit the /proc/ksyms (remove all instances of ksyms and replace with ksymsall) 6. there is another app in /sbin which creates an alias file, you need to run this. 7. reboot. Works for me :-) TTFN Paul -- One OS to fool them all One browser to find them One email client to bring them all And through security holes, blind them... From kevins at solve.net Mon Oct 20 20:10:01 2003 From: kevins at solve.net (Kevin Schnakenberg) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 15:10:01 -0500 Subject: Compiling 2.6.0 In-Reply-To: <1066680243.1974.11.camel@T6.linux> Message-ID: <001701c39746$24ad54f0$070aa8c0@TECH> Hi, Make sure your config includes ramdisk support and that it is at least 8192 in size. 4096 is not large enough. Kevin -----Original Message----- From: fedora-test-list-admin at redhat.com [mailto:fedora-test-list-admin at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Paul Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 3:04 PM To: fedora Subject: Re: Compiling 2.6.0 Hi, > I downloaded the source for Kernel 2.6.0 test8 and I'm able to compile and > get a kernel out of the deal but when I reboot I get a "cannot open root > device label=/" You need to edit /boot/grub/grub.conf (assuming you're using grub) so that where it says root=LABEL=/ it reads root=/dev/hda2 (or whichever drive /boot is on) > I think it may have something to do with not have an initrd image, I'm not > sure. When I try and do an initrd I get a "missing dep file" error. Even > though I have the latest mkinitrd RPM from RawHide. "make dep" is no > longer valid with the 2.6.0 series of kernel so I don't know how to get > mkinitrd to stop complaining. Someone must have run into this before me. Best way to compile (I've found) 1. run the configure app, save 2. make all 3. mkdir /lib/modules/2.6.0-test8 4. make install && modules_install 5. edit the /proc/ksyms (remove all instances of ksyms and replace with ksymsall) 6. there is another app in /sbin which creates an alias file, you need to run this. 7. reboot. Works for me :-) TTFN Paul -- One OS to fool them all One browser to find them One email client to bring them all And through security holes, blind them... -- fedora-test-list mailing list fedora-test-list at redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From alan at redhat.com Mon Oct 20 20:18:58 2003 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 16:18:58 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Speakup in kernel In-Reply-To: <20031020155537.GI7677@rednote.net> from "Janina Sajka" at Hyd 20, 2003 11:55:37 Message-ID: <200310202018.h9KKIwA11721@devserv.devel.redhat.com> > in a matrix of devices requiring support from the bios through the > desktop. Indeed, there is a releated FSG project now getting under way > in the new Accessibility WG I chair under FSG. The linux kernel is run by Linus. Thats the challenge. To get stuff good enough Linus will take it. If its modular you are a large part of the way there because you can get the base to the point he takes it and one nice clean driver and then work from it. > If video belongs in the kernel, so does Speakup. Not neccessarily. There are good arguments that kernel mode handling beyond adding working select() on /dev/vt* isn't needed. Its also a deeply political issue it seems - some blind folks are deeply pro speakup others deeply anti. Future questions like the vanishing of serial ports on PC's make it even harder to keep kernel side. From paul at all-the-johnsons.co.uk Mon Oct 20 20:21:16 2003 From: paul at all-the-johnsons.co.uk (Paul) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 21:21:16 +0100 Subject: Compiling 2.6.0 In-Reply-To: <001701c39746$24ad54f0$070aa8c0@TECH> References: <001701c39746$24ad54f0$070aa8c0@TECH> Message-ID: <1066681276.1989.32.camel@T6.linux> Hi, > Make sure your config includes ramdisk support and that it is at least 8192 > in size. 4096 is not large enough. 4096 works fine here. TTFN Paul -- One OS to fool them all One browser to find them One email client to bring them all And through security holes, blind them... From nbecker at hns.com Mon Oct 20 20:25:47 2003 From: nbecker at hns.com (Neal D. Becker) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 16:25:47 -0400 Subject: Compiling 2.6.0 In-Reply-To: <1066680243.1974.11.camel@T6.linux> References: <5.2.1.1.0.20031020113335.00a98ad0@mail.web-ster.com> <1066680243.1974.11.camel@T6.linux> Message-ID: <200310201625.47708.nbecker@hns.com> On Monday 20 October 2003 04:04 pm, Paul wrote: > Hi, > > > I downloaded the source for Kernel 2.6.0 test8 and I'm able to compile > > and get a kernel out of the deal but when I reboot I get a "cannot open > > root device label=/" > > You need to edit /boot/grub/grub.conf (assuming you're using grub) so > that where it says > > root=LABEL=/ > > it reads > > root=/dev/hda2 (or whichever drive /boot is on) > > > I think it may have something to do with not have an initrd image, I'm > > not sure. When I try and do an initrd I get a "missing dep file" error. > > Even though I have the latest mkinitrd RPM from RawHide. "make dep" is > > no longer valid with the 2.6.0 series of kernel so I don't know how to > > get mkinitrd to stop complaining. Someone must have run into this before > > me. > > Best way to compile (I've found) > > 1. run the configure app, save > 2. make all > 3. mkdir /lib/modules/2.6.0-test8 > 4. make install && modules_install > 5. edit the /proc/ksyms (remove all instances of ksyms and replace with > ksymsall) Really? /proc is a virtual fs running on your current kernel (not 2.6). You want to do what to it? > 6. there is another app in /sbin which creates an alias file, you need > to run this. Could you elaborate? What is "alias file"? From yinyang at eburg.com Mon Oct 20 20:31:41 2003 From: yinyang at eburg.com (Gordon Messmer) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 13:31:41 -0700 Subject: vote for Lilo In-Reply-To: <20031020190524.2618.qmail@web40302.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20031020190524.2618.qmail@web40302.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3F94462D.5050205@eburg.com> Globe Trotter wrote: > I am just about to try out Fedora. I had trouble using GRUB and RAID on Shrike > (RH9) earlier. The problem went away when I used LILO. I was wondering if the > problem of not being able to boot at all, using GRUB (with RAID) have been > taken care of. Because otherwise, Fedora would be a non-starter for me. Don't put /boot on a RAID partition... simple. I don't believe that either Grub or LILO are going to work reliably on any RAID type other than RAID 1. From notting at redhat.com Mon Oct 20 20:55:41 2003 From: notting at redhat.com (Bill Nottingham) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 16:55:41 -0400 Subject: Kudzu mouse detect In-Reply-To: <3F939507.2090605@tech-access.com>; from seanc@tech-access.com on Mon, Oct 20, 2003 at 11:55:51AM +0400 References: <3F928ABA.5000004@tech-access.com> <1066579551.13416.38.camel@ripley> <20031020010255.C1267@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <3F939507.2090605@tech-access.com> Message-ID: <20031020165541.E31799@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Sean Craig (seanc at tech-access.com) said: > Why (technically) will the probe 'not work'? PS/2 devices have undefined and chipset-specific behavior when opened by multiple programs simultaneously. If run under X, there's a very good chance that X has the device open; then the results will be unreliable, and it can disrupt the mouse use under XFree86 as well. Bill From notting at redhat.com Mon Oct 20 20:59:24 2003 From: notting at redhat.com (Bill Nottingham) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 16:59:24 -0400 Subject: Gnucash and Japanese mode don't mix well. In-Reply-To: ; from nsilva-list@aoi.atari-source.com on Mon, Oct 20, 2003 at 11:57:02AM -0400 References: Message-ID: <20031020165924.F31799@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Noah Silva [Mailing list] (nsilva-list at aoi.atari-source.com) said: > Try logging in in Japanese mode with GDM. Then run GNUCASH. I don't even > get squares (which is what you get if it decodes the strings properly, but > doesn't use a font that supports kana/kanji). I get.. garbage (i.e. it's > not decoding the strings). I assume this is because gnucash is a gnome1 > app? It's a problem with gtk1 apps and UTF-8, if I recall correctly. Bill From alan at redhat.com Mon Oct 20 21:11:44 2003 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 17:11:44 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Second fedora test box (box from hell #1) In-Reply-To: <20031020110959.GA9153@redhat.com> from "Dave Jones" at Hyd 20, 2003 12:10:00 Message-ID: <200310202111.h9KLBih10250@devserv.devel.redhat.com> > On Sun, Oct 19, 2003 at 02:35:48PM -0400, Alan Cox wrote: > > > - Incredibly slow initially until I took some ram out- looks like > > the BIOS can't set up MTRR's right and the kernel still cant fix > > them up. > > Interesting. How much RAM, what CPU, and what did /proc/mtrr look like ? 1Gb and 1.5Gb, Cyrix III 533Mhz processor. /proc/mtrr showed the bios got it wrong From bakers at web-ster.com Mon Oct 20 21:20:15 2003 From: bakers at web-ster.com (Scott Baker) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 14:20:15 -0700 Subject: (no subject) Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20031020141434.02e8ca50@mail.web-ster.com> I didn't even think to change that, I figured it was too simple. As soon as I did that the machine boots fine with 2.6.0-test8. Woohoo! However, that doesn't explain why I can't make an initrd file, which I'd like to know just for my own edumacation. Here are the steps I took. #1) Download source from kernel.org #2) Uncompress #3) make menuconfig #4) save config #5) make modules && make modules install #6) make bzImage #7) copy resulting bzImage to /boot #8) Edit grub.conf and reboot At that point I got the error below and attempted to make an initrd file and I was getting those errors about a missing dep file. I have mkinitrd-3.5.7-2 installed which should be plenty current. Why is it complaining about a missing dep file? Scott > Scott Baker wrote: > > I downloaded the source for Kernel 2.6.0 test8 and I'm able to compile and > > get a kernel out of the deal but when I reboot I get a "cannot open root > > device label=/" > > Did you download kernel-2.6.0-test8 from kernel.org or do you use > (Source-)RPMs from http://people.redhat.com/arjanv/2.5/ ? you can't boot via label in the /etc/fstab file if you don't have an initrd file. simple as that. rday ----------------------------------- Scott Baker - Webster Internet Network Engineer - RHCE bakers at web-ster.com - 503.266.8253 From alan at redhat.com Mon Oct 20 21:44:01 2003 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 17:44:01 -0400 (EDT) Subject: AMD Athlon64 Systems In-Reply-To: <1066607426.2795.6.camel@vega.amorsen.dk> from "Benny Amorsen" at Hyd 20, 2003 01:50:26 Message-ID: <200310202144.h9KLi1U24610@devserv.devel.redhat.com> > It is entirely clear that it is the AMD64-architecture that is broken > for not providing a decent 32-bit mode. Hardly. The 32bit performance of x86 is rather impressive compared to sparc as well. AMD64 works well in 64bit for several reasons one of the big ones being that the instructions don't all expand to twice the size as risc ones tend to. Modern RISC people are beginning to use compressors to keep the instruction stream down. X86 simply happens to be a very strange compressed encoding nowdays, the CPU's haven't actually executed it directly for some years From alan at redhat.com Mon Oct 20 21:46:54 2003 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 17:46:54 -0400 (EDT) Subject: gdm login usability In-Reply-To: from "Noah Silva [Mailing list]" at Hyd 19, 2003 06:42:33 Message-ID: <200310202146.h9KLktp26246@devserv.devel.redhat.com> > > > Try using XD2 when you have a tab in your password > > that's a bit silly... that's like saying "try using gnome when you want to > put a tab in the file-name, it keeps going to another field." The > expected behavior for tab.. anywhere in gnome, and most other GUIs, is > that it will change fields. Tab in password is quite reasonable. As to your tab in bash example, bash provides a proper escape for it (^V tab). The tab in password example is a real world one Alan From jdow at earthlink.net Mon Oct 20 21:49:14 2003 From: jdow at earthlink.net (jdow) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 14:49:14 -0700 Subject: LILO References: <1066672152.9303.13.camel@spatula> <20031020182015.GB14700@rednote.net> Message-ID: <008901c39754$01794e40$2eedfea9@kittycat> From: "Janina Sajka" > Jef Spaleta writes: > > From: Jef Spaleta > > > > Janina Sajka wrote: > > > > > 2.) Interface to a serial device > > > > From the commands info subsection of the grub infopage: > > > > general commands: > > * serial:: Set up a serial device > > - Command: serial [`--unit=unit'] [`--port=port'] [`--speed=speed'] > > [`--word=word'] [`--parity=parity'] [`--stop=stop'] > > [`--device=dev'] > > > > * terminal:: Choose a terminal > > - Command: terminal [`--dumb'] [`--no-echo'] [`--no-edit'] > > [`--timeout=secs'] [`--lines=lines'] [`--silent'] [`console'] > > [`serial'] [`hercules'] > > > > There is an info subsection for serial terminals as well > > Might even want to look at the "preset menu" info subsection. > > Yes, I was not clear about this one. This is very helpful, but there is > a second, requirement to just send a text message to a (possibly > present, possibly absent) serial device without establishing a full > interface. > > I suppose that should have been two items. Jef, read Janina's signature block. It will place you into a better framework for understanding what is needed here. (This is an ussue on which I have gotten into VERY heated arguments. I'm also about to take on the FCC about licensing amateur radio operators who cannot copy Morse Code by ear simply because they cannot hear it. I tend to support simple measures that eliminate needless barriers to those who may lack some of my abilities.) {^_-} From janina at rednote.net Mon Oct 20 22:15:35 2003 From: janina at rednote.net (Janina Sajka) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 18:15:35 -0400 Subject: Speakup in kernel In-Reply-To: <200310202018.h9KKIwA11721@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <20031020155537.GI7677@rednote.net> <200310202018.h9KKIwA11721@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20031020221535.GO15678@rednote.net> Alan Cox writes: > From: Alan Cox > > > in a matrix of devices requiring support from the bios through the > > desktop. Indeed, there is a releated FSG project now getting under way > > in the new Accessibility WG I chair under FSG. > > The linux kernel is run by Linus. Thats the challenge. To get stuff good > enough Linus will take it. If its modular you are a large part of the way > there because you can get the base to the point he takes it and one nice > clean driver and then work from it. Well, and that's were we will take things eventually. However, coming from the FSG point of view, I don't want to go to the kernel group (Linus) with one thing today, and another tomorrow, and a third yet thereafter. We'll coordinate the user requirements and suggested approaches that cover Speakup as well as any other assistive technology that might need to hook in via kernel speace before doing this from FSG. So, why bring it up to FC? Because Speakup was already there in RH 8.0--and then was summarily pulled, even though the I18N issue which triggered the retraction was resolved. I may add it was resolved before Speakup became modular. There is a fairly extensive user base, small compared to the whole, but not as compared to users of eyes-free. > > > If video belongs in the kernel, so does Speakup. > > Not neccessarily. There are good arguments that kernel mode handling > beyond adding working select() on /dev/vt* isn't needed. Its also a deeply > political issue it seems - some blind folks are deeply pro speakup others > deeply anti. Future questions like the vanishing of serial ports on PC's > make it even harder to keep kernel side. I don't understand what user preference has to do with it. As far as I can tell, some folks want KDE, for example, and never want to see a bash prompt. Does that mean the console is unimportant? So what if some want to use emacspeak, yasr, or some user space assistive technology. They are entitled. Surely we don't expect all flowers will be roses? So, if user interfacing is supported at bios, bios should be accessible--if reasonable to do so, technically. Ditto for kernel, console, and desktop. Whatever mechanisms are adopted to provide user access should support a wide range of user interface devices, imho. > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list -- Janina Sajka Email: janina at rednote.net Phone: (202) 408-8175 Director, Technology Research and Development American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) http://www.afb.org Chair, Accessibility Work Group Free Standards Group http://accessibility.freestandards.org From paul at all-the-johnsons.co.uk Mon Oct 20 22:19:44 2003 From: paul at all-the-johnsons.co.uk (Paul) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 23:19:44 +0100 Subject: Compiling 2.6.0 In-Reply-To: <200310201625.47708.nbecker@hns.com> References: <5.2.1.1.0.20031020113335.00a98ad0@mail.web-ster.com> <1066680243.1974.11.camel@T6.linux> <200310201625.47708.nbecker@hns.com> Message-ID: <1066688384.1982.42.camel@T6.linux> Hi, > > 5. edit the /proc/ksyms (remove all instances of ksyms and replace with > > ksymsall) > > Really? /proc is a virtual fs running on your current kernel (not 2.6). You > want to do what to it? I'm going of the current Linux Format for that one... Ooopsie... I should have said to edit /etc/rc.sysinit and change all instances of /proc/ksyms to /proc/kallsyms > > 6. there is another app in /sbin which creates an alias file, you need > > to run this. > > Could you elaborate? What is "alias file"? /etc/modules.conf You need to generate a new modules.conf file. TTFN Paul (needing sleep, cold remedies and other such things) -- One OS to fool them all One browser to find them One email client to bring them all And through security holes, blind them... From lists at reforge.fi Mon Oct 20 22:20:43 2003 From: lists at reforge.fi (Lauri Jutila) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 01:20:43 +0300 Subject: Fedora Core test3 on Latitude D800 [report] Message-ID: <1066688443.5208.21.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hello folks, I've recently installed Fedora Core test3 on a Dell Latitude D800 laptop. Here are some of my experiences with the beta: 1) Everything except integrated Broadcom NIC work out-of-box. BCM5700 driver gets network up 'n' running with 2.4.22 series, the driver is not included in Fedora kernels. Quick module build 'n' install is required every time a new kernel is installed, but it works. 2) The system feels very stable and responsive, though D800 has some Linux-unfriendly hardware. No major problems so far. 3) Only bug/annoyance is that kudzu tries to insert floppy drive module automagically and fails miserably since no drive is present. It prints an error message and segfaults. Any method to grab those boot time errors, they won't show in dmesg or /var/log/messages. I could give a better idea of what's going on if I could get the messages. Kernel actually gives an OOPS on shutdown when it tries to "unload" the floppy module which hasn't ever been successfully probed - shutdown finishes cleanly though. 4) With arjanv's 2.6.0-test kernel series USB mouse and sound (i810) stop working. Sound modules *seem* to load successfully, but xmms or mplayer won't play any sound. USB mouse doesn't work at all, it doesn't even initialize USB interface in boot as in 2.4.22 series. Touch pad mouse works, though. Any pointers? 5) The cursor in X acts a little weirdly, sometimes not changing the cursor from resizing cursor to normal arrow. This occurs mostly with terminals, especially Eterm. In 2.6.0, the cursor doesn't ever change back to normal arrow after being changed once. My overall impression is that Fedora is becoming a solid distribution. At least it works for me, mostly. :) Seriously, I do most of my work with D800+FCT3 and 2.4.22 series simply works. Keep up good work, guys. Best regards, -- Lauri Jutila Chief Linux Fellow, Reforge lists at reforge.fi http://www.reforge.fi From janina at rednote.net Mon Oct 20 22:30:08 2003 From: janina at rednote.net (Janina Sajka) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 18:30:08 -0400 Subject: Speakup in kernel In-Reply-To: <20031020154832.A13133@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <3163.142.167.72.162.1066313381.squirrel@mail.ceimaine.org> <20031019185454.B22298@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <20031020155537.GI7677@rednote.net> <20031020154832.A13133@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20031020223008.GP15678@rednote.net> Michael K. Johnson writes: > From: "Michael K. Johnson" > > On Mon, Oct 20, 2003 at 11:55:37AM -0400, Janina Sajka wrote: > > I think we're also trying to move it upstream as a coordinated componant > > in a matrix of devices requiring support from the bios through the > > desktop. > > Wow, I'm having trouble groking that. I maintain that if it can > be submitted for our kernel, it can be submitted upstream. If it > is not ready for upstream, I stand by my opinion that it is not > ready for our kernel either. Except, it's already been in your kernel, (8.0), as you know. So it's not a new subject here, while it is a new subject as a kernel submission. So, it's easier to have this conversation, because less is needed by way of introduction. By the way, the I18N issues which triggered the retraction are long ago fixed. Is there some other problem that explains why Speakup is not back in the newer kerneles for 8.0? Isn't it company policy to keep the release features updated? > > > Indeed, there is a releated FSG project now getting under way > > in the new Accessibility WG I chair under FSG. > > I'm thinking lkml and kernel.org, not FSG... > Taking the approach that accessibility needs to be considered from bootup to shutdown certainly extends beyond the scope of any one group. However, it is important to consider the whole, not just the parts. Else we end up with the kind of conflicts we narrowly avoided between Gnopernicus and brltty. I'm well aware kernel and bios are out of scope for traditional FSG activity. However, reaching out to other groups in order to create a holisticresponse. > > Meanwhil, modularized Speakup is good stuff and much needed today. I > > would venture to say that we listened when we were told "modularize it." > > However, are we waiting for perfection in any product to put it in the > > distro? I suspect not. So, please accept our significant progress with > > the strong assurance that we share the larger, more long-term goal to > > "move upstream." > > We're rather late for FC1. > > Has the driver been ported (inasmuch as is necessary) to 2.6 yet? > I daresay being comfortably used under 2.6 by a number of folks. > Finally, this is really a fedora-devel-list topic. Indeed. I've now cc'd there. But, it's also in response to someone's question on this list. > > michaelkjohnson > > "He that composes himself is wiser than he that composes a book." > Linux Application Development -- Ben Franklin > http://people.redhat.com/johnsonm/lad/ > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list -- Janina Sajka Email: janina at rednote.net Phone: (202) 408-8175 Director, Technology Research and Development American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) http://www.afb.org Chair, Accessibility Work Group Free Standards Group http://accessibility.freestandards.org From notting at redhat.com Mon Oct 20 22:30:24 2003 From: notting at redhat.com (Bill Nottingham) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 18:30:24 -0400 Subject: Fedora Core test3 on Latitude D800 [report] In-Reply-To: <1066688443.5208.21.camel@localhost.localdomain>; from lists@reforge.fi on Tue, Oct 21, 2003 at 01:20:43AM +0300 References: <1066688443.5208.21.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20031020183024.A13847@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Lauri Jutila (lists at reforge.fi) said: > 3) Only bug/annoyance is that kudzu tries to insert floppy drive module > automagically and fails miserably since no drive is present. It prints > an error message and segfaults. Any method to grab those boot time > errors, they won't show in dmesg or /var/log/messages. I could give a > better idea of what's going on if I could get the messages. > > Kernel actually gives an OOPS on shutdown when it tries to "unload" the > floppy module which hasn't ever been successfully probed - shutdown > finishes cleanly though. Can you post the oops in bugzilla? Bill From lists at reforge.fi Mon Oct 20 22:40:25 2003 From: lists at reforge.fi (Lauri Jutila) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 01:40:25 +0300 Subject: Fedora Core test3 on Latitude D800 [report] In-Reply-To: <20031020183024.A13847@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <1066688443.5208.21.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20031020183024.A13847@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1066689625.5208.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> > > Kernel actually gives an OOPS on shutdown when it tries to "unload" the > > floppy module which hasn't ever been successfully probed - shutdown > > finishes cleanly though. > > Can you post the oops in bugzilla? Do you have any idea how to grab that message into file or simulate the shutdown process in a way that I can execute only the step that gives me the oops? Shutdown completes otherwise cleanly and I wouldn't want to do 25 reboots just to get that message, since the machine boots 2 seconds after the oops. Writing it down would be a challenge. ;) Filesystems are unmounted *after* the oops so there might be a way to record the message to disk? -- Lauri Jutila Chief Linux Fellow, Reforge lists at reforge.fi http://www.reforge.fi From bobs at lingpgmr.com Mon Oct 20 22:42:39 2003 From: bobs at lingpgmr.com (Robert L Cochran) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 18:42:39 -0400 Subject: lilo vs grub In-Reply-To: <200310200757.14447.jkeating@j2solutions.net> References: <3F931F56.4050400@bol.com.br> <20031020033323.GB2165@mark.mielke.cc> <200310200757.14447.jkeating@j2solutions.net> Message-ID: <1066689758.3294.31.camel@bobc.lingpgmr.com> I use RAID 1, mirroring /boot as well, and use grub for my bootloader. Like Jesse, I don't have a problem with it. I have a minor annoyance that I think I can fix. In general I have a great preference for grub because it is very flexible when you want to boot multiple OS'es. Bob On Mon, 2003-10-20 at 10:57, Jesse Keating wrote: > On Monday 20 October 2003 07:39, Chris Ricker uttered: > > Because it works in situations where grub doesn't. Some are relatively > > obscure hardware issues, but others are more universal (like dealing with > > RAID 1) > > How dealing with RAID 1? I use grub with software RAID 1 (boot mirrored as > well), and hardware RAID 1. I've had no issues with it, perhaps you could > share your issues? -- Bob Cochran Greenbelt, Maryland, USA http://www.greenbeltcomputer.biz/ From notting at redhat.com Mon Oct 20 22:48:10 2003 From: notting at redhat.com (Bill Nottingham) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 18:48:10 -0400 Subject: Fedora Core test3 on Latitude D800 [report] In-Reply-To: <1066689625.5208.28.camel@localhost.localdomain>; from lists@reforge.fi on Tue, Oct 21, 2003 at 01:40:25AM +0300 References: <1066688443.5208.21.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20031020183024.A13847@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1066689625.5208.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20031020184810.A25741@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Lauri Jutila (lists at reforge.fi) said: > > Can you post the oops in bugzilla? > > Do you have any idea how to grab that message into file or simulate the > shutdown process in a way that I can execute only the step that gives me > the oops? > > Shutdown completes otherwise cleanly and I wouldn't want to do 25 > reboots just to get that message, since the machine boots 2 seconds > after the oops. Writing it down would be a challenge. ;) > > Filesystems are unmounted *after* the oops so there might be a way to > record the message to disk? a) serial console b) halt instead of reboot, digital camera :) Bill From mark at mark.mielke.cc Mon Oct 20 22:52:26 2003 From: mark at mark.mielke.cc (Mark Mielke) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 18:52:26 -0400 Subject: lilo vs grub In-Reply-To: <20031020164949.GB12274@rednote.net> References: <3F931F56.4050400@bol.com.br> <3F934E72.6080201@insight.rr.com> <20031020033323.GB2165@mark.mielke.cc> <20031020164949.GB12274@rednote.net> Message-ID: <20031020225226.GB7662@mark.mielke.cc> On Mon, Oct 20, 2003 at 12:49:49PM -0400, Janina Sajka wrote: > > I find lilo to be dangerous - if you don't run lilo after moving the kernel > > image, or installation a new kernel image, you are dead. Grub gives you > > several different options to work from. > Ahem, you're supposed to have that back up disk? Right? Just as you said > "have a backup grub partition?" Let's at least be consistent! No. You just edit your entry and execute it. No backup disk required. Have you used grub for anything complicated, or are you just guessing? > > If you have a problem with how it works 'eyes free', your efforts would be > > better spent making suggestions to the grub developers, or even better, > > providing source code patches for them to work from. > Meanwhile we're supposed to suffer? I think not. The only argument in favour of lilo that I am forced to recognize, is the claim that grub does not yet work on all hardware. I was not aware of this. This argument, assuming that it is easy to prove, may be enough to convince the people that made the decision to deprecate/obsolete lilo from Fedora Core. The argument about having to install grub on multiple partitions with RAID-1 is just silly. You only need to do it once every time you upgrade grub. With lilo, you have to do it every single time you upgrade your kernel, and every time you upgrade lilo. "Suffer" is an exaggeration in the context of this argument. Your other arguments, I suspect are due to incomplete knowledge of grub, of which at least some of the blame could be put on the difficult to read/understand info pages that grub comes with. Cheers, mark -- mark at mielke.cc/markm at ncf.ca/markm at nortelnetworks.com __________________________ . . _ ._ . . .__ . . ._. .__ . . . .__ | Neighbourhood Coder |\/| |_| |_| |/ |_ |\/| | |_ | |/ |_ | | | | | | \ | \ |__ . | | .|. |__ |__ | \ |__ | Ottawa, Ontario, Canada One ring to rule them all, one ring to find them, one ring to bring them all and in the darkness bind them... http://mark.mielke.cc/ From jbinpg at shaw.ca Mon Oct 20 22:56:49 2003 From: jbinpg at shaw.ca (Jack Bowling) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 15:56:49 -0700 Subject: vote for Lilo In-Reply-To: <3F942898.5070901@cypress.com> References: <3F941599.6070803@bol.com.br> <20031020174519.GC3651@nonesuch.ca.shawcable.net> <3F942898.5070901@cypress.com> Message-ID: <20031020225649.GA5770@nonesuch.ca.shawcable.net> On Mon, Oct 20, 2003 at 01:25:28PM -0500, Thomas Dodd wrote: > > > Jack Bowling wrote: > >On Mon, Oct 20, 2003 at 03:04:25PM -0200, gsc wrote: > > > >>I don't know who is the responsible, but maybe a election to keep LILO > >>can change the "things". :-) > > > > > >If Fecora eventually works as planned, I imagine it could always appear > >as a contrib package. > > Which is useless if you cannot boot with grub. The installer needs to > install grub or you'll never beable to install contrib packages. And what is stopping there being a contrib lilo package for Anaconda? -- Jack Bowling mailto: jbinpg at shaw.ca From bobs at lingpgmr.com Mon Oct 20 23:05:48 2003 From: bobs at lingpgmr.com (Robert L Cochran) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 19:05:48 -0400 Subject: Linux Magazine Has Grub Article; DeveloperWorks Grub Tutorial Message-ID: <1066691148.3968.2.camel@bobc.lingpgmr.com> The current issue of Linux Magazine has an article on grub. There is also a DeveloperWorks tutorial about grub on the IBM DeveloperWorks web site. -- Bob Cochran Greenbelt, Maryland, USA http://www.greenbeltcomputer.biz/ From redhat-jc at insight.rr.com Mon Oct 20 23:31:28 2003 From: redhat-jc at insight.rr.com (Jim Cornette) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 19:31:28 -0400 Subject: laptop install In-Reply-To: <20031020135531.2089.qmail@web11006.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20031020135531.2089.qmail@web11006.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3F947050.8080005@insight.rr.com> Michael Smith wrote: > Hi All, > > I installed Fedora Core B3 0.95 on my Toshiba Tecra > 555 laptop over the weekend. All went well (aside from > a tight fit on this old machine), except sound was not > installed - not surprising because no install has ever > recognized this machine's sound (Yahama OPL/3). I used > sndconfig and got it configured manually, since I > know all the settings. > The only real problem is that the (external) floppy > drive is not available unless it is physically > attached at bootup. I tried running updfstab in a root > console window, but got "command not found". Strange, > because "man updfstab" gives me the manual for > updfstab. > > Mike Smith > When you run a root terminal, it does not inherit the path that logging into a terminal (non-x-terminal) gets. You have to run the entire path to the file. I do a locate to find out where the program is. It shows that the program is located at the below location. /usr/sbin/updfstab This should work (as root). Jim -- Gratitude, like love, is never a dependable international emotion. -- Joseph Alsop From lorenzo at prince.homelinux.org Mon Oct 20 23:37:48 2003 From: lorenzo at prince.homelinux.org (Lorenzo Prince) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 19:37:48 -0400 Subject: supermount or equiv? In-Reply-To: <200310200912.51452.nbecker@hns.com> References: <200310200912.51452.nbecker@hns.com> Message-ID: <20031020233748.GA15166@prince.homelinux.org> Gnome will automount a CD-ROM. Not sure about KDE. It would be nice, however, to specify that CD's could be automounted from the commandline or whatever interface we happen to use. Prince From lists at reforge.fi Mon Oct 20 23:17:17 2003 From: lists at reforge.fi (Lauri Jutila) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 02:17:17 +0300 Subject: Fedora Core test3 on Latitude D800 [report] In-Reply-To: <20031020184810.A25741@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <1066688443.5208.21.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20031020183024.A13847@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1066689625.5208.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20031020184810.A25741@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1066691837.5266.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> Ok, now I'm really mystified. After playing with the arjanv's 2.6.0test kernel series and installing newer kernel utils and such, the oops has gone for good from 2.4.22 series. Only annoyance left is the following, which occurs at both boot (kudzu) and shutdown: -- snip -- insmod /lib/modules/2.4.22-1.2097.nptl/kernel/drivers/block/floppy.o: init_module: no such device insmod: Hint: insmod errors can be caused by incorrect module parameters, including IO and IRQ parameters. See dmesg and blah blah for more info. insmod /lib/modules/2.4.22-1.2097.nptl/kernel/drivers/block/floppy.o: insmod block-major-2 failed -- snip -- I wonder why it tries to load floppy module since this machine does not have built-in floppy drive. But maybe you know a reason for this and will be able to fix it. It doesn't affect the functionality or stability of the system, though. It just complains. Little more about the oops: I tried with all installed kernels (2088, 2093, 2096, 2097) and couldn't reproduce the oops anymore. I'll report it if I stumble upon it again. In 2.6.0test8 I never got the oops. -- Lauri Jutila Chief Linux Fellow, Reforge lists at reforge.fi http://www.reforge.fi From mahoover at ispaceonline.org Tue Oct 21 00:02:33 2003 From: mahoover at ispaceonline.org (Mark Hoover) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 20:02:33 -0400 Subject: vote for Lilo In-Reply-To: <20031020205149.20842.30597.Mailman@listman.back-rdu.redhat.com> References: <20031020205149.20842.30597.Mailman@listman.back-rdu.redhat.com> Message-ID: <3F947799.4040204@ispaceonline.org> From: Felipe Alfaro Solana >I don't know who is the responsible, but maybe a election to keep LILO >> can change the "things". > >What features are you missing from LILO that you can't have with GRUB? >I have used both LILO and GRUB and I think GRUB is far more powerful >than LILO. If I screw up my system, I can reconfigure nearly anything >from withing GRUB itself. However, on LILO, you are required to re-run >LILO every time you change kernels, for example. Personally, I really liked that "feature". It kept me from doing many a stupid thing and rebooting the box only to find that the box didn't come back up due to an error that lilo caught and gave me the opportunity to fix before rebooting. Really nice when you're admining a server across town or even in another state. As of yet I haven't seen anything in the docs like this with grub. Granted, I haven't spent a real long time looking for it either. From rpjday at mindspring.com Tue Oct 21 00:09:14 2003 From: rpjday at mindspring.com (Robert P. J. Day) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 20:09:14 -0400 (EDT) Subject: curious about "> /dev/tty#" in /etc/rc.sysinit Message-ID: i was just perusing the /etc/rc.sysinit file to get a better understanding of the intricacies of the boot process (yes, i need a life), and noticed early on a loop that runs > /dev/tty1 > /dev/tty2 and so on. this is, of course, long before the mingetty processes are started, so i'm curious as to what these null redirections are doing. for a regular file, i know they would empty the file. but what does this operation mean with respect to a special device file? a wild guess would be to clear the virtual console, but why would a null redirection do that? comments? rday From notting at redhat.com Tue Oct 21 00:19:31 2003 From: notting at redhat.com (Bill Nottingham) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 20:19:31 -0400 Subject: Fedora Core test3 on Latitude D800 [report] In-Reply-To: <1066691837.5266.8.camel@localhost.localdomain>; from lists@reforge.fi on Tue, Oct 21, 2003 at 02:17:17AM +0300 References: <1066688443.5208.21.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20031020183024.A13847@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1066689625.5208.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20031020184810.A25741@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1066691837.5266.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20031020201931.B26594@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Lauri Jutila (lists at reforge.fi) said: > I wonder why it tries to load floppy module since this machine does not > have built-in floppy drive. The only way to see whether or not a floppy drive is present is to open /dev/fd0 (which loads the floppy module). You can try 'alias block-major-2 off' in /etc/modules.conf to get rid of the message. Bill From notting at redhat.com Tue Oct 21 00:21:21 2003 From: notting at redhat.com (Bill Nottingham) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 20:21:21 -0400 Subject: curious about "> /dev/tty#" in /etc/rc.sysinit In-Reply-To: ; from rpjday@mindspring.com on Mon, Oct 20, 2003 at 08:09:14PM -0400 References: Message-ID: <20031020202121.C26594@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Robert P. J. Day (rpjday at mindspring.com) said: > i was just perusing the /etc/rc.sysinit file to get a better > understanding of the intricacies of the boot process (yes, i need > a life), and noticed early on a loop that runs > > > /dev/tty1 > > /dev/tty2 > > and so on. this is, of course, long before the mingetty > processes are started, so i'm curious as to what these null > redirections are doing. It opens the device, so that that tty is initialized, so that when the unicode font is set, the translation table carries across to all the ttys you're going to use. Bill From sflory at rackable.com Tue Oct 21 00:15:42 2003 From: sflory at rackable.com (Samuel Flory) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 17:15:42 -0700 Subject: vote for Lilo In-Reply-To: <3F94462D.5050205@eburg.com> References: <20031020190524.2618.qmail@web40302.mail.yahoo.com> <3F94462D.5050205@eburg.com> Message-ID: <3F947AAE.9020404@rackable.com> Gordon Messmer wrote: > Globe Trotter wrote: > >> I am just about to try out Fedora. I had trouble using GRUB and RAID >> on Shrike >> (RH9) earlier. The problem went away when I used LILO. I was wondering >> if the >> problem of not being able to boot at all, using GRUB (with RAID) have >> been >> taken care of. Because otherwise, Fedora would be a non-starter for me. > > > Don't put /boot on a RAID partition... simple. I don't believe that > either Grub or LILO are going to work reliably on any RAID type other > than RAID 1. Lilo in RH 9 works great on RAID1 arrays. Unlike with grub the RH 9 installer installed lilo to both drives. Doing that with grub is interesting to say the least. -- Once you have their hardware. Never give it back. (The First Rule of Hardware Acquisition) Sam Flory From fedora at andrewfarris.com Tue Oct 21 00:31:10 2003 From: fedora at andrewfarris.com (Andrew Farris) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 17:31:10 -0700 Subject: GDM session chooser does not effect login Message-ID: <1066696270.7936.90.camel@CirithUngol> I'm just begun using Fedora, I updated from RedHat 9 directly to test3, and this is the first fedora test I've installed. I'm very pleased so far and see lots of potential here. I have several issues coming in separate emails but this one is the most perplexing, and I think it may be related to my upgrade from 9. I have blackbox and WindowMaker installed as optional Xsessions using Session scripts in /etc/X11/gdm/Sessions which pass session choice to the main script at /etc/X11/xdm/Xsession. This worked properly in 9 to show the sessions in the graphical greeter for gdm, I use multiple Xservers to login the same user in a blackbox session as well as gnome. Test 3, does not show any session in gdm greeter other than default, gnome, kde, and failsafe. Is there a significant configuration method change that would cause the old way to fail? With my current setup, the gdm graphical greeter session chooser has no effect on which session logs in. The session that is used is the default I had set for my users in 9, irregardless of which session I choose in the greeter (both kde and gnome function, some users were set to one or the other). Any thoughts on what causes this? I realize upgrade from 9 is not desired at this stage in development, but it needs to be considered along the way as much as possible. -- Andrew Farris From sflory at rackable.com Tue Oct 21 00:26:12 2003 From: sflory at rackable.com (Samuel Flory) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 17:26:12 -0700 Subject: lilo vs grub In-Reply-To: <20031020225226.GB7662@mark.mielke.cc> References: <3F931F56.4050400@bol.com.br> <3F934E72.6080201@insight.rr.com> <20031020033323.GB2165@mark.mielke.cc> <20031020164949.GB12274@rednote.net> <20031020225226.GB7662@mark.mielke.cc> Message-ID: <3F947D24.4020107@rackable.com> Mark Mielke wrote: >> > The only argument in favour of lilo that I am forced to recognize, is > the claim that grub does not yet work on all hardware. I was not aware > of this. This argument, assuming that it is easy to prove, may be > enough to convince the people that made the decision to > deprecate/obsolete lilo from Fedora Core. > > The argument about having to install grub on multiple partitions with > RAID-1 is just silly. You only need to do it once every time you > upgrade grub. With lilo, you have to do it every single time you > upgrade your kernel, and every time you upgrade lilo. "Suffer" is an > exaggeration in the context of this argument. > The point is that fedora out of the box doesn't install grub on both drives like it does with lilo. > Your other arguments, I suspect are due to incomplete knowledge of grub, > of which at least some of the blame could be put on the difficult to > read/understand info pages that grub comes with. > There are a number of issues that most lilo users have with grub: 1)Grub is not installed on both drives of an md mirror by default. 2)There is not an easy way on the command line to force the system to boot a certain way for a single boot. 3)There is no easy way to verify the syntax of a grub.conf file. -- Once you have their hardware. Never give it back. (The First Rule of Hardware Acquisition) Sam Flory From fedora at andrewfarris.com Tue Oct 21 00:57:21 2003 From: fedora at andrewfarris.com (Andrew Farris) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 17:57:21 -0700 Subject: gnome-workspace switcher grants extra resolution? Message-ID: <1066697841.7936.117.camel@CirithUngol> I run X at 1600x1200 at 85Hz using the nvidia module rather than nv, with a TI4400 (driver 4496). After upgrade from RH9 to test3, my gnome workspace switcher seems to be using a higher resolution than my desktop! Whenever switching by mouse click, the screen shifts off center to the direction I clicked in the workspace image, seemingly allowing a 2048x1536 resolution desktop when it is otherwise NOT used. (I have had that resolution in my XF86Config, but right now it is removed and the X servers restarted with the same behavior still remaining. I confirmed the correct config is loading on X start, and claims to be at 1600x1200. I am zoomed to the maximum resolution.) This does not occur in the kde workspace switcher using the same configuration. The mouse does not scroll the desktop at screen borders. Switching with key-combinations does not have this behavior. It is difficult to re-center my screen on the windows where there were as some have moved completely off my monitor, only clicking again in the corners of the panel applet moves the screen center. Rawhide latest as of sending this email. gnome-desktop-2.4.0-1 gnome-panel-2.4.0-3 gnome-applets-2.4.1-1 gnome-session-2.4.0-1 Suggestions? Has this been seen by anyone else? -- Andrew Farris From redhat-jc at insight.rr.com Tue Oct 21 01:07:25 2003 From: redhat-jc at insight.rr.com (Jim Cornette) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 21:07:25 -0400 Subject: lilo vs grub In-Reply-To: <3F940F11.4070209@rackable.com> References: <3F931F56.4050400@bol.com.br> <3F934E72.6080201@insight.rr.com> <20031020033323.GB2165@mark.mielke.cc> <3F940F11.4070209@rackable.com> Message-ID: <3F9486CD.2030305@insight.rr.com> Samuel Flory wrote: > Mark Mielke wrote: > >> On Sun, Oct 19, 2003 at 10:54:42PM -0400, Jim Cornette wrote: >> >>> I think that LILO and GRUB should both be included in the >>> distribution. An important utility like a boot loader should have a >>> backup version. I needed lilo to restore my ability to boot when I >>> changed drives on the primary master. >>> Grub failed on an intermediate stage and I would have not been able >>> to boot my system successfully without having lilo. >> >> >> >> Why didn't you have a backup grub partition? You didn't need lilo to >> boot. >> You happened to have lilo. Note the difference. Also, grub can be put >> stand-alone on a floppy that allows you to re-install grub without >> booting >> the system up. Lilo gives you nothing of this. In my situation, I removed the hard drive from a 166 MHz computer and added it to a newly bought computer. (800 MHz) There was nothing but WinME on the newly bought machine. This disc was the secondary drive from the other machine I knew how to work with LILO from prior work with the program. I don't really know how to work with grub, except for editing the grub.conf file. I think I tried grub-install qnd only got a grub prompt on /dev/hda. I booted up from a floppy disk and then just edited lilo.conf, ran it, then waited until I wiped out /dev/hda for winME and grub took over since then. >> >> >>> If it is a better choice for the eyes free mode for users. It makes >>> even more sense to start including it again. >> >> >> >> Why is it a better choice? Why does it make even more sense to start >> including again? > > > Because lilo works on some configs that grub does not work on. I > have at least 2 systems that will not boot with grub. I've encountered > instances with friends where grub-install to reinstall grub on to the mbr. > >> >> I find lilo to be dangerous - if you don't run lilo after moving the >> kernel >> image, or installation a new kernel image, you are dead. Grub gives you >> several different options to work from. They didn't work from reading the info and me trying to follow the instructions. I'm still not sure how grub switches from one boot partition to the other. A fresh install on /dev/hda resulted in grub booting from /dev/hda. A fresh install on /dev/hdb made grub work from /dev/hdb again. >> > > Actually your system will boot just fine if the filesystem hasn't > reclaimed the space used by the file;-) Person I like the fact that I > have to run lilo. It's a great sanity check. With grub you really > can't be sure your system will be able to reboot. I agree, when you run lilo you know that what you ran and lilo verified is what was entered into the loader. > > >> I see no reason why lilo should continue to be developed, or why it >> should >> be re-included into fedora or redhat. What harm is it to give people choices as to what programs or utilities they should run? It is better to allow more choices, instead of cutting out tools available. >> Cheers, >> mark >> > > -- We don't need no indirection We don't need no compilation We don't need no flow control We don't need no load control No data typing or declarations No link edit for external bindings Hey! did you leave the lists alone? Hey! did you leave that source alone? Chorus: (Chorus) Oh No. It's just a pure LISP function call. We don't need no side-effecting We don't need no allocation We don't need no flow control We don't need no special-nodes No global variables for execution No dark bit-flipping for debugging Hey! did you leave the args alone? Hey! did you leave those bits alone? (Chorus) (Chorus) -- "Another Glitch in the Call", a la Pink Floyd From cochranb at speakeasy.net Tue Oct 21 01:35:32 2003 From: cochranb at speakeasy.net (Robert L Cochran) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 21:35:32 -0400 Subject: lilo vs grub In-Reply-To: <3F9486CD.2030305@insight.rr.com> References: <3F931F56.4050400@bol.com.br> <3F934E72.6080201@insight.rr.com> <20031020033323.GB2165@mark.mielke.cc> <3F940F11.4070209@rackable.com> <3F9486CD.2030305@insight.rr.com> Message-ID: <3F948D64.3080709@speakeasy.net> Over the years I've found the wisest course is to try to master as many tools as possible. By preferring one tool over another, you close off future opportunities. Sometimes, reading tutorials is well worth it. I can do both lilo and grub. Grub happens to be a lot more flexible, but I can go back to lilo if need be. You don't want to spend your whole day managing bootloaders. You want to do better things. 30 seconds after you boot the kernel, you won't care a whit what bootloader you are using. Bob Jim Cornette wrote: > Samuel Flory wrote: > >> Mark Mielke wrote: >> >>> On Sun, Oct 19, 2003 at 10:54:42PM -0400, Jim Cornette wrote: >>> >>>> I think that LILO and GRUB should both be included in the >>>> distribution. An important utility like a boot loader should have a >>>> backup version. I needed lilo to restore my ability to boot when I >>>> changed drives on the primary master. >>>> Grub failed on an intermediate stage and I would have not been able >>>> to boot my system successfully without having lilo. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Why didn't you have a backup grub partition? You didn't need lilo to >>> boot. >>> You happened to have lilo. Note the difference. Also, grub can be put >>> stand-alone on a floppy that allows you to re-install grub without >>> booting >>> the system up. Lilo gives you nothing of this. > > > > In my situation, I removed the hard drive from a 166 MHz computer and > added it to a newly bought computer. (800 MHz) There was nothing but > WinME on the newly bought machine. This disc was the secondary drive > from the other machine > > I knew how to work with LILO from prior work with the program. I don't > really know how to work with grub, except for editing the grub.conf file. > > I think I tried grub-install qnd only got a grub prompt on /dev/hda. I > booted up from a floppy disk and then just edited lilo.conf, ran it, > then waited until I wiped out /dev/hda for winME and grub took over > since then. > >>> >>> >>>> If it is a better choice for the eyes free mode for users. It makes >>>> even more sense to start including it again. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Why is it a better choice? Why does it make even more sense to start >>> including again? >> >> >> >> Because lilo works on some configs that grub does not work on. I >> have at least 2 systems that will not boot with grub. I've >> encountered instances with friends where grub-install to reinstall >> grub on to the mbr. >> >>> >>> I find lilo to be dangerous - if you don't run lilo after moving the >>> kernel >>> image, or installation a new kernel image, you are dead. Grub gives you >>> several different options to work from. > > > They didn't work from reading the info and me trying to follow the > instructions. I'm still not sure how grub switches from one boot > partition to the other. > > A fresh install on /dev/hda resulted in grub booting from /dev/hda. A > fresh install on /dev/hdb made grub work from /dev/hdb again. > >>> >> >> Actually your system will boot just fine if the filesystem hasn't >> reclaimed the space used by the file;-) Person I like the fact that I >> have to run lilo. It's a great sanity check. With grub you really >> can't be sure your system will be able to reboot. > > > > I agree, when you run lilo you know that what you ran and lilo verified > is what was entered into the loader. > >> >> >>> I see no reason why lilo should continue to be developed, or why it >>> should >>> be re-included into fedora or redhat. > > > What harm is it to give people choices as to what programs or utilities > they should run? It is better to allow more choices, instead of cutting > out tools available. > >>> Cheers, >>> mark >>> >> >> > > -- Bob Cochran Greenbelt, Maryland, USA http://greenbeltcomputer.biz/ From cantisan at bol.com.br Tue Oct 21 01:47:19 2003 From: cantisan at bol.com.br (gsc) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 23:47:19 -0200 Subject: mozilla 1.5 Message-ID: <3F949027.1010804@bol.com.br> I hope not. But the time fedora final is release, I home mozilla ahs gone away, and been replaced by more managable code. If you talking about Fedora Core 1, then previous answers are correct. Then again I'm using the gtk2 version of 1.5rc2 from mozilla.org with no issues. Bad news... I just installed the final release 1.5 without any problem... From cantisan at bol.com.br Tue Oct 21 01:49:10 2003 From: cantisan at bol.com.br (gsc) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 23:49:10 -0200 Subject: Lilo Message-ID: <3F949096.9060807@bol.com.br> If Fecora eventually works as planned, I imagine it could always appear > as a contrib package. Which is useless if you cannot boot with grub. The installer needs to install grub or you'll never beable to install contrib packages. FWIW, I have such a system. HAHAHA! Great, Thomas... I was force to install RedHat 9 with Lilo (minimal) to install Lilo and then Install Fedora without change the boot partition, ease ?! :-) From aldert at vdlaan.yi.org Tue Oct 21 02:05:39 2003 From: aldert at vdlaan.yi.org (Aldert E. van der Laan) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 22:05:39 -0400 Subject: One last thing... AC97 Message-ID: <1066701939.6230.4.camel@vdlxws1.vdlaan.yi.org.local> I had quite a bit of success getting my system configured. ASUS P4S533-X with 3.06Ghz and 1Gb of Ram. It has onboard SIS stuff and the network card works now (had some issues with earlier builds). I am unable to get any sound out of the AC97_codec / I810_audio team. Nada, nothing no sound at all. It is now a dual boot system, but I do sincerely hope that this will get fixed with these OSS drivers. Has anyone here had any success with the Alsa drivers (building and using with Fedora Test 3?) Thanks, Aldert. From redhat-jc at insight.rr.com Tue Oct 21 02:25:20 2003 From: redhat-jc at insight.rr.com (Jim Cornette) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 22:25:20 -0400 Subject: vote for Lilo In-Reply-To: <1066675830.13609.88.camel@poincare.devel.redhat.com> References: <3F941599.6070803@bol.com.br> <20031020174519.GC3651@nonesuch.ca.shawcable.net> <3F942898.5070901@cypress.com> <1066675830.13609.88.camel@poincare.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <3F949910.8000601@insight.rr.com> Owen Taylor wrote: > On Mon, 2003-10-20 at 14:25, Thomas Dodd wrote: > >>Jack Bowling wrote: >> >>>On Mon, Oct 20, 2003 at 03:04:25PM -0200, gsc wrote: >>> >>> >>>>I don't know who is the responsible, but maybe a election to keep LILO >>>>can change the "things". :-) >>> >>> >>>If Fecora eventually works as planned, I imagine it could always appear >>>as a contrib package. >> >>Which is useless if you cannot boot with grub. The installer needs to >>install grub or you'll never beable to install contrib packages. >> >>FWIW, I have such a system. > > > The reasonable thing to do here is to fix Grub. If we just include Lilo > support, how would we present it to the user? > > [x] GRUB works on my system > > This is not a sensible choice to present to the user. > > Regards, > Owen > > I think that both programs should continue to be improved. Who is to say that grub won't be replaced by "yet another boot loader" in the near future. Trying to cut down the 1400 pieces to 700 might be alright from a limited resources standpoint. Having an alternative program is a nice thing to have. Just in case things go wrong with an important aspect to keep things up and running, with good tools. Jim There is something in the pang of change More than the heart can bear, Unhappiness remembering happiness. -- Euripides From mahoover at ispaceonline.org Tue Oct 21 03:20:28 2003 From: mahoover at ispaceonline.org (Mark Hoover) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 23:20:28 -0400 Subject: lilo vs grub In-Reply-To: <20031021010301.2326.56861.Mailman@listman.back-rdu.redhat.com> References: <20031021010301.2326.56861.Mailman@listman.back-rdu.redhat.com> Message-ID: <3F94A5FC.6050508@ispaceonline.org> From: Mark Mielke >The argument about having to install grub on multiple partitions with >RAID-1 is just silly. You only need to do it once every time you >upgrade grub. With lilo, you have to do it every single time you >upgrade your kernel, and every time you upgrade lilo. "Suffer" is an >exaggeration in the context of this argument. I find it absolutely amazing that someone who seems to fight so strongly in favor of the choice to use Grub seems to be so against allowing those who wish to use Lilo and have it included as an option in the installer. I've yet to see anybody here suggest removing Grub as an installer option. Most here would even be content to see it left as the default option for those who are new to Linux. But how can we claim to be in favor of software choice when at the basic level of the bootloader we can't even let there be a choice for those who don't want to use one or the other. From nsilva-list at atari-source.com Tue Oct 21 03:23:53 2003 From: nsilva-list at atari-source.com (Noah Silva [Mailing List]) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 23:23:53 -0400 Subject: rsync glitch? Message-ID: <1066706633.11313.14.camel@feklar> This is actually looking like an rsync problem, not a fedora specific problem, but just so everyone is aware: I seem to be having a problem accessing rsync (which uses SSH) from a fc1t3 box. Note that I can get into the server from other (debian) boxes [on an external ip] just fine. I can also SSH into it from the fc1t3 machine ok. The server is RH8, dual NIC (one is external, one is internal). It seems that somehow even though SSH works on both the external and internal interfaces, and Rsync uses SSH, that Rsync doesn't work on the internal address. Of course this -could- be some other strangeness unique to my environment, but it isn't looking that way. (I say this because rsync quasar.internal.lan:~/ FROM quasar.internal.lan also doesn't work.) >bash-2.05b$ rsync nsilva at quasar.internal.lan:~/ >quasar.internal.lan: Connection refused >rsync: connection unexpectedly closed (0 bytes read so far) >rsync error: error in rsync protocol data stream (code 12) at io.c(165) It seems unlikely that the connection could really be refused, since the ssh daemon is supposed to handle that, and ssh is working fine. (and there is no firewall problems here). -- Thanks, Noah Silva A T A R I - S O U R C E . C O M From ojgbagg27ab at msn.com Tue Oct 21 03:30:42 2003 From: ojgbagg27ab at msn.com (alton bailey) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 23:30:42 -0400 Subject: RHGB not .. GBing... Message-ID: what boot command line it it to be added to and in what directory/file name need more info >From: Alexandre Oliva >Reply-To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com >To: nsilva-list at atari-source.com >CC: fedora-test-list at redhat.com >Subject: Re: RHGB not .. GBing... >Date: 20 Oct 2003 14:40:36 -0200 > >On Oct 20, 2003, nsilva-list at atari-source.com wrote: > > > What can I check? > >The archives? :-) > >You have to add `rhgb' to the boot command line to get rhgb now. > >-- >Alexandre Oliva Enjoy Guarana', see http://www.ic.unicamp.br/~oliva/ >Red Hat GCC Developer aoliva@{redhat.com, gcc.gnu.org} >CS PhD student at IC-Unicamp oliva@{lsd.ic.unicamp.br, gnu.org} >Free Software Evangelist Professional serial bug killer > > >-- >fedora-test-list mailing list >fedora-test-list at redhat.com >http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list _________________________________________________________________ Need more e-mail storage? Get 10MB with Hotmail Extra Storage. http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=features/es From ojgbagg27ab at msn.com Tue Oct 21 03:34:06 2003 From: ojgbagg27ab at msn.com (alton bailey) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 23:34:06 -0400 Subject: rpm Strangeness when trying to erase kernels. Message-ID: try rpm -e kernel >From: Philip Trickett >Reply-To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com >To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com >Subject: rpm Strangeness when trying to erase kernels. >Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 13:33:07 +0100 > >Hi, > >I am running the fedora core beta, all the way from when it was severn >;) > >I am trying to un-install previous kernels that were installed by yum >during upgrades: >[phil at unagi phil]$ rpm -q kernel >kernel-2.6.0-0.test6.1.47 >kernel-2.6.0-0.test7.1.52 >kernel-2.6.0-0.test6.1.48 >kernel-2.6.0-0.test6.1.49 >kernel-2.6.0-0.test7.1.51 >kernel-2.4.22-1.2087.nptl > >I am trying to remove the 2.6 series kernels for now, so that I can go >back to 2.4 for a little while. > >when I try to remove a kernel: >[phil at unagi phil]$ sudo rpm -e kernel-2.6.0-0.test6.1.47 > >rpm looks as if it is pre-processing (a fair bit of disk access), and >then the rpm process takes 100% cpu usage and just stays that way >indefinitely. > >Is there any other way to remove the kernels? I have tried via yum, but >it says that the kernel is not installed. > >Cheers, > >Phil > > > >-- >fedora-test-list mailing list >fedora-test-list at redhat.com >http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list _________________________________________________________________ Get a FREE computer virus scan online from McAfee. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From gstool at earthlink.net Tue Oct 21 03:37:00 2003 From: gstool at earthlink.net (Gerry Tool) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 22:37:00 -0500 Subject: RHGB not .. GBing... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1066707420.5828.2.camel@gstpc.earthlink.net> On Mon, 2003-10-20 at 22:30, alton bailey wrote: > what boot command line it it to be added to and in what directory/file name > need more info > in /etc/grub.conf, as shown in the excerpt below: title Fedora Core (2.4.22-1.2097.nptl) root (hd0,10) kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.4.22-1.2097.nptl ro root=LABEL=/1 hdc=ide-scsi hdd=ide-scsi ide0=ata66 idebus=66 rhgb initrd /boot/initrd-2.4.22-1.2097.nptl.img Note the kernel line is broken by the e-mail client - it should all be on one line. Gerry From paul at frields.com Tue Oct 21 03:47:43 2003 From: paul at frields.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 23:47:43 -0400 Subject: lilo vs grub In-Reply-To: <20031020165549.GC12274@rednote.net> References: <3F931F56.4050400@bol.com.br> <200310200838.43386.jkeating@j2solutions.net> <200310200909.47101.jkeating@j2solutions.net> <20031020165549.GC12274@rednote.net> Message-ID: <1066708062.2070.5.camel@bettie.internal.frields.org> On Mon, 2003-10-20 at 12:55, Janina Sajka wrote: > > > grub needs to do the same w/o requiring manual intervention. Look in > > > bugzilla for long bugs with lots of people subscribed to them who've > > > found out the hard way that when you mirror on RH w/ grub and one > > > disk dies, you will not boot until you hunt up a rescue disk and > > > figure out how to reinstall grub. > > > > Seems like a trivial enough fix, one could almost script it to call grub > > for mirror grub installs. Has anybody RFE'd this to the upstream grub > > maintainers? > And I suspect my list of eyes-free features is also trivial to > implement--though I am not capable to do the coding. > > Point is that grub needs an expanded set of user requirements. Was there > evern such a process there? Or did some folks sit down to do what they > thought a boot loader should do? Open source works best when more people contribute to it. Certainly you should discuss ideas for improvement with the authors/maintainers. I'm not sure anyone brought up the fact that LILO has not (IIRC) been actively maintained for at least a couple years now. In fact, I remember the "lba32" directive that was so important several years ago was added by an interested third party who was unable to contact the original author/maintainer, and the results of his (the new guy's) work picked up by most distros because it was so necessary to LILO's continued use. GRUB is actively maintained and I would be surprised if its team wasn't open to your suggestions and help. But to simply hope they're reading this list probably isn't as effective as talking to them directly. You might want to check out: http://www.gnu.org/directory/grub.html -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE From paul at frields.com Tue Oct 21 04:02:47 2003 From: paul at frields.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 00:02:47 -0400 Subject: Fedora Core test3 on Latitude D800 [report] In-Reply-To: <1066689625.5208.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1066688443.5208.21.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20031020183024.A13847@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1066689625.5208.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1066708967.2070.9.camel@bettie.internal.frields.org> On Mon, 2003-10-20 at 18:40, Lauri Jutila wrote: > > > Kernel actually gives an OOPS on shutdown when it tries to "unload" the > > > floppy module which hasn't ever been successfully probed - shutdown > > > finishes cleanly though. > > > > Can you post the oops in bugzilla? > > Do you have any idea how to grab that message into file or simulate the > shutdown process in a way that I can execute only the step that gives me > the oops? > > Shutdown completes otherwise cleanly and I wouldn't want to do 25 > reboots just to get that message, since the machine boots 2 seconds > after the oops. Writing it down would be a challenge. ;) Judging by where you're reporting seeing the oops, you can probably still freeze the screen with Ctrl+S, and then use Shift+PgUp and Shift+PgDown to maneuver around. And yes, these are a major PITA to copy down by hand. But I did one just the other day (only to find out an hour later that the fix was already in the new 2.4.22-1.2097.nptl kernel)... won't take you more than 10-15 minutes. If you have a second machine, maybe typing it is easier than writing by hand. (BTW, Ctrl+Q will "unfreeze" the console.) -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE From cochranb at speakeasy.net Tue Oct 21 04:05:34 2003 From: cochranb at speakeasy.net (Robert L Cochran) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 00:05:34 -0400 Subject: lilo vs grub In-Reply-To: <1066708062.2070.5.camel@bettie.internal.frields.org> References: <3F931F56.4050400@bol.com.br> <200310200838.43386.jkeating@j2solutions.net> <200310200909.47101.jkeating@j2solutions.net> <20031020165549.GC12274@rednote.net> <1066708062.2070.5.camel@bettie.internal.frields.org> Message-ID: <3F94B08E.9060807@speakeasy.net> Paul has very positive comments here. Well said! Bob Paul W. Frields wrote: > On Mon, 2003-10-20 at 12:55, Janina Sajka wrote: > >>>>grub needs to do the same w/o requiring manual intervention. Look in >>>>bugzilla for long bugs with lots of people subscribed to them who've >>>>found out the hard way that when you mirror on RH w/ grub and one >>>>disk dies, you will not boot until you hunt up a rescue disk and >>>>figure out how to reinstall grub. >>> >>>Seems like a trivial enough fix, one could almost script it to call grub >>>for mirror grub installs. Has anybody RFE'd this to the upstream grub >>>maintainers? >> >>And I suspect my list of eyes-free features is also trivial to >>implement--though I am not capable to do the coding. >> >>Point is that grub needs an expanded set of user requirements. Was there >>evern such a process there? Or did some folks sit down to do what they >>thought a boot loader should do? > > > Open source works best when more people contribute to it. Certainly you > should discuss ideas for improvement with the authors/maintainers. I'm > not sure anyone brought up the fact that LILO has not (IIRC) been > actively maintained for at least a couple years now. In fact, I remember > the "lba32" directive that was so important several years ago was added > by an interested third party who was unable to contact the original > author/maintainer, and the results of his (the new guy's) work picked up > by most distros because it was so necessary to LILO's continued use. > > GRUB is actively maintained and I would be surprised if its team wasn't > open to your suggestions and help. But to simply hope they're reading > this list probably isn't as effective as talking to them directly. You > might want to check out: > http://www.gnu.org/directory/grub.html > -- Bob Cochran Greenbelt, Maryland, USA http://greenbeltcomputer.biz/ From paul at frields.com Tue Oct 21 04:10:48 2003 From: paul at frields.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 00:10:48 -0400 Subject: lilo vs grub In-Reply-To: <3F94A5FC.6050508@ispaceonline.org> References: <20031021010301.2326.56861.Mailman@listman.back-rdu.redhat.com> <3F94A5FC.6050508@ispaceonline.org> Message-ID: <1066709448.2070.12.camel@bettie.internal.frields.org> On Mon, 2003-10-20 at 23:20, Mark Hoover wrote: > From: Mark Mielke > >The argument about having to install grub on multiple partitions with > >RAID-1 is just silly. You only need to do it once every time you > >upgrade grub. With lilo, you have to do it every single time you > >upgrade your kernel, and every time you upgrade lilo. "Suffer" is an > >exaggeration in the context of this argument. > > I find it absolutely amazing that someone who seems to fight so strongly > in favor of the choice to use Grub seems to be so against allowing those > who wish to use Lilo and have it included as an option in the installer. > I've yet to see anybody here suggest removing Grub as an installer > option. Most here would even be content to see it left as the default > option for those who are new to Linux. > > But how can we claim to be in favor of software choice when at the basic > level of the bootloader we can't even let there be a choice for those > who don't want to use one or the other. Choice is a Good Thing. 1. Install product with Choice A included. 2. Hate Choice A. 3. Download and install Choice B. 4. Have joy. -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE From jspaleta at princeton.edu Tue Oct 21 04:13:19 2003 From: jspaleta at princeton.edu (Jef Spaleta) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 00:13:19 -0400 Subject: lilo vs grub Message-ID: <1066709599.9999.36.camel@localhost.localdomain> > But how can we claim to be in favor of software choice when at the > basic level of the bootloader we can't even let there be a choice for > those who don't want to use one or the other. Last call for the reductio ad absurdium express...all aboard.... let's see...basic level things we NEED choice for..well lets see there is the kernel...we totally so need the ability to choose between 5 or 6 different kernel builds in the default installer. I'd love a big old monolithic kernel..all that module junk just blows monkey chunks. And I don't want to be bother to recompile my own...anaconda should give me a 20 question survey designed to pick exactly the monolithic kernel to install for my hardware. This isn't rocket science..... And there is this whole misdirected idea that the 2.2 kernel series is outdated. I bet some people in the userbase just love 2.2 kernels..why should we let a silly thing like progress get in their way. I say, lets at least offer a 2.2 linux kernel and a 2.4 linux kernel as a choice inside anaconda...seems only fair. I'd go further and say we force users to make a choice between 2.2 and 2.4. Defaults are for weak minded people. If you don't know whether you want a 2.2 or 2.4 kernel..then you shouldn't even be touching fedora install media in my opinion. I also want a choice of no less than 4 possible vnc implementations when doing installations with vnc enabled. I think everyone can agree that different vnc implementations have slightly different features...and well its important to have choice, so lets not constrict people to using just one vnc server while doing an install...lets give the user choices while running anaconda. I really want a choice of of initscripts too...I mean really...some people want LSB compliant initscripts...some people want clever parallelization...no point in trying to make the uberinitscripts..lets just all agree to disagree and just add 17 options for 17 possible implementations..thats clearly the best answer. People, Hellooooo...glibc-audit...c'mon how is this not a choice instead of glibc. glibc is about as basic as you can get in the system...must have choice there too. I also really want a choice of packaging systems. Why are we shackled to rpm...i mean sure it works for a lot of people...but choice, even at the packaging system level is important...its very important. We should strive to offer the user a choice of packaging systems. Its important...its choice at a basic level...did i mention that its important, because it is. -jef"i'd say that keeping lilo as a choice in anaconda on the grounds on accessibility arguments if grub is found lacking in that regard...but only if the installer itself is not suffering from accessibility issues worse than grub. Can a sight impaired user interact with anaconda to do an install? If not...then having an accessibility impaired grub as "default" in anaconda is not the big accessibility issue"spaleta -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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This behavior is caused by becoming root with "su" instead of "su -" -- Hoyt From joe at tmsusa.com Tue Oct 21 04:20:26 2003 From: joe at tmsusa.com (Joe) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 21:20:26 -0700 Subject: Xfree GL still does not coexist with the nVidia drivers In-Reply-To: <1066657190.7065.45.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> References: <200310161642.32985.elwoo@videotron.ca> <200310171320.06015.elwoo@videotron.ca> <3F938824.5040107@tmsusa.com> <1066657190.7065.45.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> Message-ID: <3F94B40A.7070602@tmsusa.com> Nils Philippsen wrote: >On Mon, 2003-10-20 at 09:00, Joe wrote: > > >>Elton Woo wrote: >> >> >> >>>I'm starting to wonder if my next video card upgrade should be >>>an ATI or Matrox instead. Both are made in Canada, and Matrox >>>is in Montreal West. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>Nah, after your box keeps locking up solid just from starting up an >>OpenGL game, you'll dump the ATI and put the nvidia back in :-) >> >>I've been there - >> >> > >Hmm, my Radeon didn't crash on me in a very long time (with the OSS >drivers and using 3D apps). I guess this depends on the card used. Mind >that I also heard about Nvidias crashing so I don't see your point. > > Oh - my point is that I've got 10 or 20 linux boxes, and all of my desktops have nvidia cards now, as a result of bitter experience. As an avid player of quake 3 arena and Return to Castle Wolfenstein, I think I probably have a lot more data points than most under my belt, and I know whereof I speak. Yeah, I've heard the rumors about nvidias crashing too - and I'm not sure what to make of them - much as I'd like to make my nvidia cards crash, I just haven't been able to do it. Mind you, I really wanted to give ATI my business, but it was a very bad experience and they really don't seem to care about Linux as much as nvidia does. Drivers - closed source, opensource, just give me a good, solid, fast linux driver and I'm happy. nvidia has done that, and 3dfx did too, before they went under. I haven't seen any other video card manufacturers work so hard to earn my business. Best Regards, Joe From nsilva-list at atari-source.com Tue Oct 21 04:22:39 2003 From: nsilva-list at atari-source.com (Noah Silva [Mailing List]) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 00:22:39 -0400 Subject: RHGB not .. GBing... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1066710159.13740.4.camel@feklar> #boot=/dev/sda default=1 timeout=10 splashimage=(hd0,0)/boot/grub/splash.xpm.gz title Fedora Core (2.6.0-0.test8.1.60) root (hd0,0) kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.0-0.test8.1.60 ro root=LABEL=/12 initrd /boot/initrd-2.6.0-0.test8.1.60.img title Fedora Core (2.4.22-1.2061.nptl) root (hd0,0) kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.4.22-1.2061.nptl ro root=LABEL=/12 initrd /boot/initrd-2.4.22-1.2061.nptl.img title Debian Linux rootnoverify (hd1,1) chainloader +1 note that the 2.4 entry is the one created by the installer, i didn't touch it. I made the debian entry in the installer. The 2.6 entry was made by the 2.6 rpm, but I am not running it (no TV card module ;<). the SCSI is the primary boot device in the bios. I know lilo front and back, but grub confuses me a bit... but anyway the RHGB was working at some point. -- Thanks, Noah Silva A T A R I - S O U R C E . C O M From elwoo at videotron.ca Tue Oct 21 04:25:31 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 00:25:31 -0400 Subject: totem/xine-libs problem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200310210025.31096.elwoo@videotron.ca> On October 20, 2003 03:12 pm, Kevin Bowen , > wrote: > I tried installing totem and xine-libs on my fedora .95 system, from both > the rpm.livna.org and freshrpms repositories, and in both cases, on running > totem, it quits with: "totem: relocation error: totem: undefined symbol: > xine_engine_set_param" > > gxine says the same thing ("gxine" substitued for "totem" of course). Any > ideas why this might be, or how I could fix it? Anyone know of any other > packages of totem/xine-libs that are known to work on fedora? ... I wonder, by any chance did you install these using --nodeps? Here's what I get as the *minimal* requirements for installing totem, xine, and or gxine: from http://shrike.freshrpms.net/. YES, the packages for shrike (RH 9) work with Fedora Core! These are REQUIRED: aalib-1.4rc5-fr2.i386.rpm alsa-lib-0.9.7-1.fr.i386.rpm flac-1.1.0-fr3.i386.rpm # NOTE: glut is not in FC, so you need to get it from RH 9 glut-3.7-12.i386.rpm libfame-0.9.0-fr2.i386.rpm lirc-0.6.6-fr1.i386.rpm speex-1.0.2-1.fr.i386.rpm xine-lib-1.0.0-0.1.rc0a.fr.i386.rpm xvidcore-0.9.2-1.fr.i386.rpm OPTIONAL libraries are: libdvdcss-1.2.8-1.fr.i386.rpm libdvdread-0.9.4-fr3.i386.rpm libdvdnav-0.1.9-1.fr.i386.rpm libdvdplay-1.0.1-fr2.i386.rpm HTH, Elton ;-) -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From nsilva-list at atari-source.com Tue Oct 21 04:27:53 2003 From: nsilva-list at atari-source.com (Noah Silva [Mailing List]) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 00:27:53 -0400 Subject: gconf problems. Message-ID: <1066710473.13740.11.camel@feklar> I don't think this is redhat specific, but it is very annoying (I have had it happen on debian too). I don't know if it's a gconf bug, or maybe a gnome-session bug. Whenever I boot the computer and log in [to gnome], everything works fine. Some times I log out, and then back in, and I get a "Gconfd could not be started.. settings may not work blah blah..". then it pops up a dialog for each and every gnome-panel applet, asking if I want to delete them since they can't be loaded. If I log out and back in.. it still does it. If I reboot - it fixes it. Same symptoms in FC and Debian, so I am fairly sure it isn't redhat specific code causing the problem, but I don't know how Gconf works well enough to know what IS causing the problem. (I log in and out a lot to switch languages, since Gnome unfortunately makes it very difficult to log in in one language and use an IME from another language.. something that is trivial in windows and Mac ;<. This logging in and out is probably what aggravates the problem to be more easily found.). I am primarily curious if anyone else has found this or has any idea what module it is really in. (I would like to file a bug report in gnome...) -- Thanks, Noah Silva A T A R I - S O U R C E . C O M From jdk-fedora at starport.org Tue Oct 21 04:41:04 2003 From: jdk-fedora at starport.org (JDK) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 00:41:04 -0400 Subject: Network Config Message-ID: <20031021004104.A6209@starport.org> This is sort of off-topic, as it isn't specific to distro, but Fedora happens to be what I'm running at the moment... I'm have Fedora Core 1 Test Release 3 running nicely on my home network. I've decided I'd like to use my Linux box to try and filter internet access for a PC for my kids. My theory was to install a second nic in my linux box, and then setup squid, and probably Dan's Guardian. I'm fairly confident that I can get the software working once I get the connectivity, but I've not much of a network guy, and have not been able to get it all talking. Here is my layout: cable modem | | ======== router ======== / | | \ / | | \ Laptop X-Box Linux WAP | Kids PC I was thinking I could just slap the second nic in, leave everything set as DHCP, and be along my happy way. No joy. I got kicked into Kudzu on reboot, and it correctly found and config'd the new nic, but eth1 fails to start. I tried to switch it to static IP, and then could not get network on either nic. I got internet back when I disabled eth1. I can't get the Kid's PC to get an IP in either scenario. Can someone tell me what the network settings should be for eth1 in this type of config? Thanks in advance! jdk From joe at tmsusa.com Tue Oct 21 04:44:33 2003 From: joe at tmsusa.com (Joe) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 21:44:33 -0700 Subject: general problems with fedora, it works bad. In-Reply-To: <20031020161257.83800.qmail@web12005.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20031020161257.83800.qmail@web12005.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3F94B9B1.1020809@tmsusa.com> k b wrote: >hi >i dont know in what end to begin, but i am >experiencing a lot of problems with the fedora >20031013 release. > >i have lots of different problems, to mention some; >compiling applications from source is troublesome, >librarys does not always register, and even if they >seem to do (after running ldconfig with direcotries >specified in /etc/ld.so.conf) then other applications >that depend on the previous cannot find the >dependencies. > > That's weird - I've been running RHL since 4.0 and I like FC test 3 better than most so far - It's stable and snappy on my $229 Fry's computer - although I do intend to do a head-to-head comparison with SuSE 9 when my copy finally gets here. Joe From aoliva at redhat.com Tue Oct 21 04:54:42 2003 From: aoliva at redhat.com (Alexandre Oliva) Date: 21 Oct 2003 02:54:42 -0200 Subject: lilo vs grub In-Reply-To: <1066709599.9999.36.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1066709599.9999.36.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On Oct 21, 2003, Jef Spaleta wrote: > let's see...basic level things we NEED choice for..well lets see > there is the kernel...we totally so need the ability to choose between > 5 or 6 different kernel builds in the default installer. Dude! How could you forget the alternative of shipping with a BSD kernel as an option?!? :-) -- Alexandre Oliva Enjoy Guarana', see http://www.ic.unicamp.br/~oliva/ Red Hat GCC Developer aoliva@{redhat.com, gcc.gnu.org} CS PhD student at IC-Unicamp oliva@{lsd.ic.unicamp.br, gnu.org} Free Software Evangelist Professional serial bug killer From aoliva at redhat.com Tue Oct 21 04:56:43 2003 From: aoliva at redhat.com (Alexandre Oliva) Date: 21 Oct 2003 02:56:43 -0200 Subject: rsync glitch? In-Reply-To: <1066706633.11313.14.camel@feklar> References: <1066706633.11313.14.camel@feklar> Message-ID: On Oct 21, 2003, "Noah Silva [Mailing List]" wrote: >> bash-2.05b$ rsync nsilva at quasar.internal.lan:~/ >> quasar.internal.lan: Connection refused -essh? rsync doesn't use ssh by default. I could never understand why. Me, I have long had ~/bin/rsh -> /usr/bin/ssh -- Alexandre Oliva Enjoy Guarana', see http://www.ic.unicamp.br/~oliva/ Red Hat GCC Developer aoliva@{redhat.com, gcc.gnu.org} CS PhD student at IC-Unicamp oliva@{lsd.ic.unicamp.br, gnu.org} Free Software Evangelist Professional serial bug killer From mark at mark.mielke.cc Tue Oct 21 04:56:53 2003 From: mark at mark.mielke.cc (Mark Mielke) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 00:56:53 -0400 Subject: lilo vs grub In-Reply-To: <3F94A5FC.6050508@ispaceonline.org> References: <20031021010301.2326.56861.Mailman@listman.back-rdu.redhat.com> <3F94A5FC.6050508@ispaceonline.org> Message-ID: <20031021045653.GA9180@mark.mielke.cc> On Mon, Oct 20, 2003 at 11:20:28PM -0400, Mark Hoover wrote: > But how can we claim to be in favor of software choice when at the basic > level of the bootloader we can't even let there be a choice for those > who don't want to use one or the other. Your argument would have substance, if, for example, lilo was a competitive alternative that was actively maintained (KDE vs GNOME for example). I think the competitive alternative is a card case to prove, and the actively maintained is impossible to prove. Feel free to correct me... Perhaps you will take ownership of lilo, and ensure that it is actively maintained? Remember, the open source community isn't just about users. It is quite significantly about contributors. Without contributors, the users have nobody to blame about a product becoming obsolete. mark -- mark at mielke.cc/markm at ncf.ca/markm at nortelnetworks.com __________________________ . . _ ._ . . .__ . . ._. .__ . . . .__ | Neighbourhood Coder |\/| |_| |_| |/ |_ |\/| | |_ | |/ |_ | | | | | | \ | \ |__ . | | .|. |__ |__ | \ |__ | Ottawa, Ontario, Canada One ring to rule them all, one ring to find them, one ring to bring them all and in the darkness bind them... http://mark.mielke.cc/ From hoyt at cavtel.net Tue Oct 21 04:58:38 2003 From: hoyt at cavtel.net (HoytDuff) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 00:58:38 -0400 Subject: Fedora Issues In-Reply-To: <200310201047.35524.jkeating@j2solutions.net> References: <1066665712.5083.11.camel@trillian.myserenity.net> <1066671911.5083.23.camel@trillian.myserenity.net> <200310201047.35524.jkeating@j2solutions.net> Message-ID: <200310210058.38781.hoyt@cavtel.net> On Monday 20 October 2003 01:47 pm, Jesse Keating wrote: > Are you using gcc32 for the kernel compile? The stock gcc (3.3) will > not compile a kernel. I've heard this a lot, but haven't seen an explanation of 1.) why 3.3 doesn't work, 2.) why 3.3 was used if it doesn't work and 3.) why there are no red flags all over the Release Notes about it. -- Hoyt From jdow at earthlink.net Tue Oct 21 05:06:48 2003 From: jdow at earthlink.net (jdow) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 22:06:48 -0700 Subject: lilo vs grub References: <3F931F56.4050400@bol.com.br> <200310200838.43386.jkeating@j2solutions.net> <200310200909.47101.jkeating@j2solutions.net> <20031020165549.GC12274@rednote.net> <1066708062.2070.5.camel@bettie.internal.frields.org> Message-ID: <015401c39791$22283ba0$2eedfea9@kittycat> From: "Paul W. Frields" > On Mon, 2003-10-20 at 12:55, Janina Sajka wrote: > > > > grub needs to do the same w/o requiring manual intervention. Look in > > > > bugzilla for long bugs with lots of people subscribed to them who've > > > > found out the hard way that when you mirror on RH w/ grub and one > > > > disk dies, you will not boot until you hunt up a rescue disk and > > > > figure out how to reinstall grub. > > > > > > Seems like a trivial enough fix, one could almost script it to call grub > > > for mirror grub installs. Has anybody RFE'd this to the upstream grub > > > maintainers? > > And I suspect my list of eyes-free features is also trivial to > > implement--though I am not capable to do the coding. > > > > Point is that grub needs an expanded set of user requirements. Was there > > evern such a process there? Or did some folks sit down to do what they > > thought a boot loader should do? > > Open source works best when more people contribute to it. Certainly you > should discuss ideas for improvement with the authors/maintainers. I'm > not sure anyone brought up the fact that LILO has not (IIRC) been > actively maintained for at least a couple years now. In fact, I remember > the "lba32" directive that was so important several years ago was added > by an interested third party who was unable to contact the original > author/maintainer, and the results of his (the new guy's) work picked up > by most distros because it was so necessary to LILO's continued use. > > GRUB is actively maintained and I would be surprised if its team wasn't > open to your suggestions and help. But to simply hope they're reading > this list probably isn't as effective as talking to them directly. You > might want to check out: > http://www.gnu.org/directory/grub.html So let me get this straight, Paul. Are you saying that "Maintained but does not work" is better than "unmaintained but works?" That's a strange sort of attitude. {O.O} From mark at mark.mielke.cc Tue Oct 21 05:07:18 2003 From: mark at mark.mielke.cc (Mark Mielke) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 01:07:18 -0400 Subject: vote for Lilo In-Reply-To: <3F947799.4040204@ispaceonline.org> References: <20031020205149.20842.30597.Mailman@listman.back-rdu.redhat.com> <3F947799.4040204@ispaceonline.org> Message-ID: <20031021050718.GB9180@mark.mielke.cc> On Mon, Oct 20, 2003 at 08:02:33PM -0400, Mark Hoover wrote: > From: Felipe Alfaro Solana > >What features are you missing from LILO that you can't have with GRUB? > >I have used both LILO and GRUB and I think GRUB is far more powerful > >than LILO. If I screw up my system, I can reconfigure nearly anything > >from withing GRUB itself. However, on LILO, you are required to re-run > >LILO every time you change kernels, for example. > Personally, I really liked that "feature". It kept me from doing many a > stupid thing and rebooting the box only to find that the box didn't come > back up due to an error that lilo caught and gave me the opportunity to > fix before rebooting. Really nice when you're admining a server across > town or even in another state. > As of yet I haven't seen anything in the docs like this with grub. > Granted, I haven't spent a real long time looking for it either. LILO doesn't guarantee that a boot will work. It only guarantees that the config file references valid image files. Perhaps you are simply more meticulous about what you type (in which case, I'm not sure why you are worried about the contents of the config file), but if you have ever forgotten to run LILO after replacing the kernel image, you are screwed. If the machine goes down before you run LILO, you are screwed. It never happens? I've had it happen to me several times. But then, perhaps you are just better at remembering to type lilo than me. mark -- mark at mielke.cc/markm at ncf.ca/markm at nortelnetworks.com __________________________ . . _ ._ . . .__ . . ._. .__ . . . .__ | Neighbourhood Coder |\/| |_| |_| |/ |_ |\/| | |_ | |/ |_ | | | | | | \ | \ |__ . | | .|. |__ |__ | \ |__ | Ottawa, Ontario, Canada One ring to rule them all, one ring to find them, one ring to bring them all and in the darkness bind them... http://mark.mielke.cc/ From lorenzo at prince.homelinux.org Tue Oct 21 05:11:24 2003 From: lorenzo at prince.homelinux.org (Lorenzo Prince) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 01:11:24 -0400 Subject: PROFTPD Message-ID: <20031021051124.GB18150@prince.homelinux.org> I have seen somewnere, it may actually have been on FreshRPMS, a good up-to-date RPM of PROFTPD for RH9. Is there any move to try to get this great ftpd into Fedora Core, or at least into an alternative repo built for Fedora as an alternative to the included VSFTPD? Thanks. Prince From jdow at earthlink.net Tue Oct 21 05:18:09 2003 From: jdow at earthlink.net (jdow) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 22:18:09 -0700 Subject: vote for Lilo References: <20031020205149.20842.30597.Mailman@listman.back-rdu.redhat.com> <3F947799.4040204@ispaceonline.org> <20031021050718.GB9180@mark.mielke.cc> Message-ID: <017001c39792$b7aa5a40$2eedfea9@kittycat> From: "Mark Mielke" > On Mon, Oct 20, 2003 at 08:02:33PM -0400, Mark Hoover wrote: > > From: Felipe Alfaro Solana > > >What features are you missing from LILO that you can't have with GRUB? > > >I have used both LILO and GRUB and I think GRUB is far more powerful > > >than LILO. If I screw up my system, I can reconfigure nearly anything > > >from withing GRUB itself. However, on LILO, you are required to re-run > > >LILO every time you change kernels, for example. > > Personally, I really liked that "feature". It kept me from doing many a > > stupid thing and rebooting the box only to find that the box didn't come > > back up due to an error that lilo caught and gave me the opportunity to > > fix before rebooting. Really nice when you're admining a server across > > town or even in another state. > > As of yet I haven't seen anything in the docs like this with grub. > > Granted, I haven't spent a real long time looking for it either. > > LILO doesn't guarantee that a boot will work. It only guarantees that > the config file references valid image files. Perhaps you are simply > more meticulous about what you type (in which case, I'm not sure why > you are worried about the contents of the config file), but if you have > ever forgotten to run LILO after replacing the kernel image, you are > screwed. If the machine goes down before you run LILO, you are screwed. > It never happens? No problem at all. The new kernel may not be found. But the preceeding two that worked are still there and themselves still work. He who keeps the same name for a freshly compiled kernel with different options and then installs over a working kernel is somewhere south of foolish and one wonders if he's even north of stupid. {^_-} From kaboom at gatech.edu Tue Oct 21 05:25:23 2003 From: kaboom at gatech.edu (Chris Ricker) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 01:25:23 -0400 (EDT) Subject: lilo vs grub In-Reply-To: <20031021045653.GA9180@mark.mielke.cc> References: <20031021010301.2326.56861.Mailman@listman.back-rdu.redhat.com> <3F94A5FC.6050508@ispaceonline.org> <20031021045653.GA9180@mark.mielke.cc> Message-ID: On Tue, 21 Oct 2003, Mark Mielke wrote: > Your argument would have substance, if, for example, lilo was a competitive > alternative that was actively maintained (KDE vs GNOME for example). > > I think the competitive alternative is a card case to prove, and the > actively maintained is impossible to prove. > > Feel free to correct me... Perhaps you will take ownership of lilo, and > ensure that it is actively maintained? Remember, the open source community > isn't just about users. It is quite significantly about contributors. > Without contributors, the users have nobody to blame about a product becoming > obsolete. All of this is quite funny since the most recent release of lilo was made, oh, 11 days ago (20031009). lilo's been actively maintained and regularly released several times a year for the past several years by John Coffman. later, chris From a.t.meinen at chello.nl Tue Oct 21 05:30:56 2003 From: a.t.meinen at chello.nl (Tino Meinen) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 07:30:56 +0200 Subject: Network Config In-Reply-To: <20031021004104.A6209@starport.org> References: <20031021004104.A6209@starport.org> Message-ID: <1066714256.2629.28.camel@node10a62.a2000.nl> I think this is related to a bug reported, Could you add your situation there? https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=107241 Thanks Tino Op di 21-10-2003, om 06:41 schreef JDK: > This is sort of off-topic, as it isn't specific to distro, > but Fedora happens to be what I'm running at the moment... > > I'm have Fedora Core 1 Test Release 3 running nicely on > my home network. I've decided I'd like to use my Linux box > to try and filter internet access for a PC for my kids. My > theory was to install a second nic in my linux box, and then > setup squid, and probably Dan's Guardian. I'm fairly > confident that I can get the software working once I get the > connectivity, but I've not much of a network guy, and have > not been able to get it all talking. Here is my layout: > > cable > modem > | > | > ======== router ======== > / | | \ > / | | \ > Laptop X-Box Linux WAP > | > Kids PC > > I was thinking I could just slap the second nic in, leave > everything set as DHCP, and be along my happy way. No joy. > I got kicked into Kudzu on reboot, and it correctly found and > config'd the new nic, but eth1 fails to start. I tried to > switch it to static IP, and then could not get network on > either nic. I got internet back when I disabled eth1. I > can't get the Kid's PC to get an IP in either scenario. Can > someone tell me what the network settings should be for eth1 > in this type of config? > > Thanks in advance! > jdk > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From barryn at pobox.com Tue Oct 21 05:38:04 2003 From: barryn at pobox.com (Barry K. Nathan) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 22:38:04 -0700 Subject: RHGB not .. GBing... In-Reply-To: <3F942A52.1070408@atl.lmco.com> References: <1066647761.3f93c0d1de2a5@aoi.atari-source.com> <3F942A52.1070408@atl.lmco.com> Message-ID: <20031021053803.GE10427@ip68-4-255-84.oc.oc.cox.net> On Mon, Oct 20, 2003 at 02:32:50PM -0400, Douglas Stewart wrote: > What is the reasoning behind that? I rather liked it defaulting to > booting graphically. First time my wife has ever said "Ooooh! Nice!" > when looking at a Linux boot-up process... *grin* I don't know the reasoning for sure, but some of us (including myself) were seeing really bizarre network driver failures that went away with either (a) a 2.6-test kernel or (b) disabling rhgb. (a) by default will have to wait for Fedora Core 2, so maybe Red Hat decided to do (b) by default. That's just a guess, though. -Barry K. Nathan From bruno.dewolf at eozen.com Tue Oct 21 05:48:28 2003 From: bruno.dewolf at eozen.com (Bruno De Wolf) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 07:48:28 +0200 Subject: USB mouse problems Message-ID: <3F94C8AC.1020709@eozen.com> [since my first mail didn't seem to arrive, here's another try] Dear, I am installing Fedora test3 release on my Packard Bell P4, 256Mb. I am not a hardware expert, so I appreciate some explanation on these points. I had to do the install with pci=off and now I am having troubles booting: - If I boot with pci=off, the system boots, but my usb mouse is not functioning: 'insmod usb-uhci' said 'no device found'. This seems logical to me, since I saw something such as 'PCI USB bridge' in hardware probing logs. - If I boot normally, the boot process hangs somewhere at sound card detection and configuration. If I comment this out in rc.sysinit, it hangs at the 'devlabel' section. If I comment this out as well, it hangs at several other points. BTW: hanging=no disk activity, no user input possible, boot process does not advance anymore. I have the impression (although not very sure) that the system mounts a usb mass storage device which isn't there, thus currupting the directory layout. Something I find very strange: my USB keyboard works fine, even with pci=off, only my usb mouse does not function. I already changed the following things without effect: - remove kudzu from the boot process - run kudzu when I had booted with pci=off Thank you for your feedback Bruno De Wolf From jbinpg at shaw.ca Tue Oct 21 05:48:34 2003 From: jbinpg at shaw.ca (Jack Bowling) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 22:48:34 -0700 Subject: lilo vs grub In-Reply-To: <1066708062.2070.5.camel@bettie.internal.frields.org> References: <3F931F56.4050400@bol.com.br> <200310200838.43386.jkeating@j2solutions.net> <200310200909.47101.jkeating@j2solutions.net> <20031020165549.GC12274@rednote.net> <1066708062.2070.5.camel@bettie.internal.frields.org> Message-ID: <20031021054834.GA19256@nonesuch.ca.shawcable.net> On Mon, Oct 20, 2003 at 11:47:43PM -0400, Paul W. Frields wrote: [snip] > Open source works best when more people contribute to it. Certainly you > should discuss ideas for improvement with the authors/maintainers. I'm > not sure anyone brought up the fact that LILO has not (IIRC) been > actively maintained for at least a couple years now. [snip] Your points are all good except for one: a quick trip to freshmeat.net and a search for lilo shows that the most recent update was Oct 10, 2003. Certainly not a couple of years. -- Jack Bowling mailto: jbinpg at shaw.ca From alexl at redhat.com Tue Oct 21 06:43:52 2003 From: alexl at redhat.com (Alexander Larsson) Date: 21 Oct 2003 08:43:52 +0200 Subject: RHGB not .. GBing... In-Reply-To: <3F942A52.1070408@atl.lmco.com> References: <1066647761.3f93c0d1de2a5@aoi.atari-source.com> <3F942A52.1070408@atl.lmco.com> Message-ID: <1066718632.3539.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2003-10-20 at 20:32, Douglas Stewart wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Alexandre Oliva wrote: > | You have to add `rhgb' to the boot command line to get rhgb now. > | > > What is the reasoning behind that? I rather liked it defaulting to > booting graphically. First time my wife has ever said "Ooooh! Nice!" > when looking at a Linux boot-up process... *grin* It is on by default. Anaconda will put the "rhgb" option there now. But this way its easier to disable (no need to figure out to add "nogui"). =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Alexander Larsson Red Hat, Inc alexl at redhat.com alla at lysator.liu.se He's a genetically engineered soccer-playing senator with a secret. She's a manipulative gold-digging pearl diver with the power to see death. They fight crime! From tagoh at redhat.com Tue Oct 21 06:49:25 2003 From: tagoh at redhat.com (Akira TAGOH) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 15:49:25 +0900 (JST) Subject: Gnucash and Japanese mode don't mix well. In-Reply-To: <20031020165924.F31799@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <20031020165924.F31799@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20031021.154925.278732976.tagoh@redhat.com> >>>>> On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 16:59:24 -0400, >>>>> "BN" == Bill Nottingham wrote: BN> Noah Silva [Mailing list] (nsilva-list at aoi.atari-source.com) said: >> Try logging in in Japanese mode with GDM. Then run GNUCASH. I don't even >> get squares (which is what you get if it decodes the strings properly, but >> doesn't use a font that supports kana/kanji). I get.. garbage (i.e. it's >> not decoding the strings). I assume this is because gnucash is a gnome1 >> app? BN> It's a problem with gtk1 apps and UTF-8, if I recall correctly. Yes, right. see also #84593. just adding proper gtkrc.*.utf8 to /etc/gtk/ should fixes this problem. Regards, -- Akira TAGOH From louisg00 at bellsouth.net Tue Oct 21 06:51:56 2003 From: louisg00 at bellsouth.net (Louis Garcia) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 02:51:56 -0400 Subject: America's Army 1.9.0 game (3D bug?) Message-ID: <1066719116.18504.7.camel@tiger> I'm running a radeon-7500 card and been playing wolfenstein and quake3 just fine under FC3. I just got America's Army to try it. Well it runs fine but the 3D rendering is messed up. How can I tell if this is a dri bug or a game bug? Since this is third party software can I expect no support if I file a bug? --Lou From barryn at pobox.com Tue Oct 21 07:10:48 2003 From: barryn at pobox.com (Barry K. Nathan) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 00:10:48 -0700 Subject: RHGB not .. GBing... In-Reply-To: <1066718632.3539.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1066647761.3f93c0d1de2a5@aoi.atari-source.com> <3F942A52.1070408@atl.lmco.com> <1066718632.3539.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20031021071048.GF10427@ip68-4-255-84.oc.oc.cox.net> On Tue, Oct 21, 2003 at 08:43:52AM +0200, Alexander Larsson wrote: > It is on by default. Anaconda will put the "rhgb" option there now. But > this way its easier to disable (no need to figure out to add "nogui"). On a related note, is it possible for us to test new Anaconda builds somehow (before the FC 1 release)? If so, how? -Barry K. Nathan From zgobolos at 777westel.hu Tue Oct 21 08:24:42 2003 From: zgobolos at 777westel.hu (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?G=F6b=F6l=F6s_Zolt=E1n?=) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 10:24:42 +0200 Subject: One last thing... AC97 In-Reply-To: <1066701939.6230.4.camel@vdlxws1.vdlaan.yi.org.local> References: <1066701939.6230.4.camel@vdlxws1.vdlaan.yi.org.local> Message-ID: <1066724681.5606.3.camel@zgobolos.home> Hi! Did you try booting with acpi=on ? -- gz On Tue, 2003-10-21 at 04:05, Aldert E. van der Laan wrote: > I had quite a bit of success getting my system configured. > > ASUS P4S533-X with 3.06Ghz and 1Gb of Ram. > > It has onboard SIS stuff and the network card works now (had some issues > with earlier builds). > > I am unable to get any sound out of the AC97_codec / I810_audio team. > > Nada, nothing no sound at all. > > It is now a dual boot system, but I do sincerely hope that this will get > fixed with these OSS drivers. > > Has anyone here had any success with the Alsa drivers (building and > using with Fedora Test 3?) > > Thanks, > > Aldert. > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From fedora at warmcat.com Tue Oct 21 08:30:00 2003 From: fedora at warmcat.com (Andy Green) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 09:30:00 +0100 Subject: One last thing... AC97 In-Reply-To: <1066724681.5606.3.camel@zgobolos.home> References: <1066701939.6230.4.camel@vdlxws1.vdlaan.yi.org.local> <1066724681.5606.3.camel@zgobolos.home> Message-ID: <200310210930.00133.fedora@warmcat.com> On Tuesday 21 October 2003 09:24, G?b?l?s Zolt?n wrote: > > Has anyone here had any success with the Alsa drivers (building and > > using with Fedora Test 3?) Alsa works fine here, you have to a) use --with-cards= on the ./configure to select the card you have (to avoid making the serial midi driver which does not compile) and b) do touch include/linux/workqueue.h after the configure, to avoid problems with schedule_work not being found after the driver is built. Other than that its fine -- and ALSA is better than the alternatives in my experience by quite a margin. -Andy From tim at birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie Tue Oct 21 08:41:12 2003 From: tim at birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie (Timothy Murphy) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 09:41:12 +0100 Subject: lilo vs grub In-Reply-To: <1066708062.2070.5.camel@bettie.internal.frields.org> References: <3F931F56.4050400@bol.com.br> <20031020165549.GC12274@rednote.net> <1066708062.2070.5.camel@bettie.internal.frields.org> Message-ID: <200310210941.13704.tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie> On Tuesday 21 October 2003 04:47, Paul W. Frields wrote: > I'm not sure anyone brought up the fact that LILO has not (IIRC) been > actively maintained for at least a couple years now. ... > GRUB is actively maintained and I would be surprised if its team wasn't > open to your suggestions and help. I find these remarks quite extraordinary. I see new versions of LILO advertised almost weekly. I don't remember seeing a new version of grub for ages. I've seen many requests for grub to add the LILO feature allowing a one-time boot into a non-default kernel, but nothing has been done. I've seen many comments about grub documentation but nothing has been done. Personally I use grub all the time because I don't like writing to the MBR more than necessary, and it does everything I want to do. But I don't see why people should not use LILO if they prefer it. It reminds me a bit of the dreadful Disk Druid that RedHat seemed to be forcing one to use, despite the fact that fdisk appeared to me to work much better. -- Timothy Murphy e-mail (<80k only): tim /at/ birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland From zgobolos at 777westel.hu Tue Oct 21 08:44:02 2003 From: zgobolos at 777westel.hu (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?G=F6b=F6l=F6s_Zolt=E1n?=) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 10:44:02 +0200 Subject: One last thing... AC97 In-Reply-To: <1066724681.5606.3.camel@zgobolos.home> References: <1066701939.6230.4.camel@vdlxws1.vdlaan.yi.org.local> <1066724681.5606.3.camel@zgobolos.home> Message-ID: <1066725842.5978.3.camel@zgobolos.home> Sorry I missed the explanation. I had the same problem with SIS hardware, and tried the kernel oss, the commercial oss, and alsa, but no success. Lastly I've found the IRQ collision on IRQ 5. The ACPI irq routing stuff solved the problem. On Tue, 2003-10-21 at 10:24, G??b??l??s Zolt??n wrote: > Hi! > > Did you try booting with acpi=on ? > > -- > gz > From k_b0000 at yahoo.se Tue Oct 21 08:48:24 2003 From: k_b0000 at yahoo.se (k b) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 01:48:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: mysql 4? Message-ID: <20031021084824.63591.qmail@web12004.mail.yahoo.com> for the moment i can only see mysql 3.23.58 in fedora. why in not mysql 4 added? as far as i know 4.0.15 is in production. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From pekkas at netcore.fi Tue Oct 21 09:06:30 2003 From: pekkas at netcore.fi (Pekka Savola) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 12:06:30 +0300 (EEST) Subject: lilo vs grub In-Reply-To: <023601c3972f$3c50ef20$9100000a@intgrp.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 20 Oct 2003, Eric Wood wrote: > > On Oct 20, 2003, Chris Ricker wrote: > >> This is because grub can't be installed to /dev/md?. LILO, in > >> contrast, can. > > Interesting email found from google: > http://www.mail-archive.com/bug-grub at gnu.org/msg06342.html Good point. > Sounds like Anaconda sould run the roo()+setup() for each drive during the > install. For obvious reasons, anaconda is the completely wrong place to do it; it must be much more generic than that. -- Pekka Savola "You each name yourselves king, yet the Netcore Oy kingdom bleeds." Systems. Networks. Security. -- George R.R. Martin: A Clash of Kings From mharris at redhat.com Tue Oct 21 10:18:06 2003 From: mharris at redhat.com (Mike A. Harris) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 06:18:06 -0400 (EDT) Subject: vote for Lilo In-Reply-To: <3F941599.6070803@bol.com.br> References: <3F941599.6070803@bol.com.br> Message-ID: On Mon, 20 Oct 2003, gsc wrote: >I don't know who is the responsible, but maybe a election to keep LILO >can change the "things". :-) The distribution isn't created via election, nor the result of any popular vote. -- Mike A. Harris ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris OS Systems Engineer - XFree86 maintainer - Red Hat From mharris at redhat.com Tue Oct 21 10:23:53 2003 From: mharris at redhat.com (Mike A. Harris) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 06:23:53 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Fedora Core test3 on Latitude D800 [report] In-Reply-To: <1066688443.5208.21.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1066688443.5208.21.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On Tue, 21 Oct 2003, Lauri Jutila wrote: >5) The cursor in X acts a little weirdly, sometimes not changing the >cursor from resizing cursor to normal arrow. This occurs mostly with >terminals, especially Eterm. In 2.6.0, the cursor doesn't ever change >back to normal arrow after being changed once. Hmm... that is very very odd. The mouse cursor is either "software" in which it uses generic X server code to implement a mouse cursor which gets drawn directly into the framebuffer, or it is a "hardware" cursor, which is implemented usually in the video hardware itself and overlaid on top of the framebuffer via the DAC or another mechanism, and requires special video driver support, which most drivers currently support. Both the software and hardware cursor support shouldn't in any way depend on which kernel is installed. If you are using Red Hat supplied open source video drivers, I would expect the mouse cursor to work identically regardless of which kernel is in use. Can you test and confirm this? -- Mike A. Harris ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris OS Systems Engineer - XFree86 maintainer - Red Hat From warlock_ba at hotmail.com Tue Oct 21 10:50:44 2003 From: warlock_ba at hotmail.com (Botoaca Andrei) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 13:50:44 +0300 Subject: Alsa and new Kernel 2.4.22 97 ?? Message-ID: Alsa gives some error on compilation, about PDE beeing already declared ... Any ideeas !? _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus From seyman at wanadoo.fr Tue Oct 21 10:56:27 2003 From: seyman at wanadoo.fr (Emmanuel Seyman) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 12:56:27 +0200 Subject: mysql 4? In-Reply-To: <20031021084824.63591.qmail@web12004.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20031021084824.63591.qmail@web12004.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20031021105627.GA7676@orient.maison> On Tue, Oct 21, 2003 at 01:48:24AM -0700, k b wrote: > > why in not mysql 4 added? > as far as i know 4.0.15 is in production. http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/2003-July/msg00045.html Emmanuel From rezso at rdsor.ro Tue Oct 21 11:18:42 2003 From: rezso at rdsor.ro (Balint Cristian) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 14:18:42 +0300 Subject: mysql 4? In-Reply-To: <20031021105627.GA7676@orient.maison> References: <20031021084824.63591.qmail@web12004.mail.yahoo.com> <20031021105627.GA7676@orient.maison> Message-ID: <200310211418.42016.rezso@rdsor.ro> On Tuesday 21 October 2003 13:56, Emmanuel Seyman wrote: > On Tue, Oct 21, 2003 at 01:48:24AM -0700, k b wrote: > > why in not mysql 4 added? > > as far as i know 4.0.15 is in production. > > http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/2003-July/msg00045.html I understand from this mail isues with lib-compatibilty but why not solve that with adding some compat-libmysqlclient libs ? Second is there any licence isue not to add mysql-4 ? > > Emmanuel > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From mharris at redhat.com Tue Oct 21 11:28:10 2003 From: mharris at redhat.com (Mike A. Harris) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 07:28:10 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Newer ATI Radeon, ATI FireGL, and Nvidia GeForce/Quadro hardware support Message-ID: This document concerns the current state of the XFree86 video driver support for ATI Radeon, FireGL, and Nvidia GeForce and Quadro video hardware which is present in Red Hat rawhide, and the current Fedora Core OS test release. I'm posting this in order to solicit feedback, and also to get more people involved in reporting bugs and also notifying Red Hat and myself of any missing hardware support, etc. for these 2 video drivers. More information on the Fedora Project, and our current Fedora Core test release can be found at: http://fedora.redhat.com Just to be clear, this information does not apply to any previous Red Hat operating systems such as Red Hat Linux 8.0, 7.x, but is exclusive to Fedora Core test 3 and later. Also, this video hardware support will also be released as an update for Red Hat Linux 9 in the near future, as: XFree86-4.3.0-2.90.$RAWHIDE_RELEASE_NUMBER ATI Radeon and FireGL support status: XFree86 4.3.0, which is in Fedora Core test releases and rawhide currently, contains additional patches to support newer ATI Radeon and FireGL video hardware than what the stock XFree86 4.3.0 release supports. This support is a combination of 4 things: 1) Enhancements I've implemented myself voluntarily on weekends, etc. and included, which either have been committed to XFree86 CVS already, or will be in the future hopefully. 2) Code that I have backported from the XFree86 developmental CVS head, either developed by ATI, or by other people who work on the "radeon" driver. 3) Code contributed to me directly by ATI. 4) Code contributed to me directly by other developers. Currently, our customized 4.3.0 "radeon" driver supports almost all ATI Radeon and FireGL hardware. 3D is supported on all video hardware up to and including the Radeon 9000 and 9100, FireGL 8700, 8800, and it may or may not also work on the 9200 hardware (untested). 2D support is present for all hardware including the 9500/9600/9700/9800 series cards also, and the newer ATI FireGL X1/Z1 hardware. There are different variants of these cards out there however, and some cards have different PCI device IDs than others, and so for example, while Radeon 9800 is supported 2D only, it's possible that someone might have a Radeon 9800 card that is unknown to our pcitable, and unknown to the video driver, but which otherwise should/would work ok once the PCI ID is made known to the video driver and pcitable database. About 2 weeks ago I updated the driver with a newer list of PCI IDs sent to me from ATI which was believed to cover all of the existing hardware at the point ATI sent me the files. I tested this on the hardware I personally have available, and everything worked fine, however I don't have one of every single card for every single PCI device ID out there, so I can only vouch for the particular chips I physically have available to test. Since then a number of newer ATI Radeon and FireGL hardware has been released by ATI, such as the 9800Pro XT and SE, 9600 XT/SE, and new FireGL cards. I do not yet have all of this hardware, however some of this hardware might work with the existing driver currently in rawhide, while other cards might still need to have their PCI IDs added before they're functional. This also goes for the Radeon Mobility, FireGL Mobility, and ATI Radeon IGP and Mobility IGP chipsets. Here is a list of all chips that the driver currently supports: ATI Radeon QD (AGP) ATI Radeon QE (AGP) ATI Radeon QF (AGP) ATI Radeon QG (AGP) ATI Radeon VE/7000 QY (AGP) ATI Radeon VE/7000 QZ (AGP) ATI Radeon Mobility M7 LW (AGP) ATI Mobility FireGL 7800 M7 LX (AGP) ATI Radeon Mobility M6 LY (AGP) ATI Radeon Mobility M6 LZ (AGP) ATI Radeon IGP320 (A3) 4136 ATI Radeon IGP320M (U1) 4336 ATI Radeon IGP330/340/350 (A4) 4137 ATI Radeon IGP330M/340M/350M (U2) 4337 ATI Radeon 7000 IGP (A4+) 4237 ATI Radeon Mobility 7000 IGP 4437 ATI FireGL 8700/8800 QH (AGP) ATI Radeon 8500 QI (AGP) ATI Radeon 8500 QJ (AGP) ATI Radeon 8500 QK (AGP) ATI Radeon 8500 QL (AGP) ATI Radeon 9100 QM (AGP) ATI Radeon 8500 QN (AGP) ATI Radeon 8500 QO (AGP) ATI Radeon 8500 Qh (AGP) ATI Radeon 8500 Qi (AGP) ATI Radeon 8500 Qj (AGP) ATI Radeon 8500 Qk (AGP) ATI Radeon 8500 Ql (AGP) ATI Radeon 8500 BB (AGP) ATI Radeon 7500 QW (AGP) ATI Radeon 7500 QX (AGP) ATI Radeon 9000 Id (AGP) ATI Radeon 9000 Ie (AGP) ATI Radeon 9000 If (AGP) ATI Radeon 9000 Ig (AGP) ATI Radeon Mobility M9 Ld (AGP) ATI Radeon Mobility M9 Le (AGP) ATI Radeon Mobility M9 Lf (AGP) ATI Radeon Mobility M9 Lg (AGP) ATI Radeon 9000 IGP (A5) 5834 ATI Radeon Mobility 9000 IGP (U3) 5835 ATI Radeon 9200 5960 (AGP) ATI Radeon 9200 5961 (AGP) ATI Radeon 9200 5962 (AGP) ATI Radeon 9200 5963 (AGP) ATI Radeon 9200 5964 (AGP) ATI Radeon M9+ 5968 (AGP) ATI Radeon M9+ 5969 (AGP) ATI Radeon M9+ 596A (AGP) ATI Radeon M9+ 596B (AGP) ATI Radeon 9500 AD (AGP) ATI Radeon 9500 AE (AGP) ATI Radeon 9500 AF (AGP) ATI FireGL Z1/X1 AG (AGP) ATI Radeon 9700 Pro ND (AGP) ATI Radeon 9700/9500Pro NE (AGP) ATI Radeon 9700 NF (AGP) ATI FireGL X1 NG (AGP) ATI Radeon 9600 AP (AGP) ATI Radeon 9600 Pro AR (AGP) ATI Radeon Mobility M10 NP (AGP) ATI FireGL (R350) AK (AGP) ATI Radeon 9800 NH (AGP) ATI FireGL (R350) NK (AGP) If someone has an ATI Radeon or FireGL card which is not on this list, it is currently not supported by the driver. Run "lspci" and look and see if it lists the card by name, or if it says "unknown" or similar. If lspci doesn't know what the card is, even if it isn't on the above list, please file a bug report in bugzilla, and include full details of the video card, and also manually choose any Radeon video card from the list of hardware in redhat-config-xfree86 and test the card out with X. Report any problems found in your bugzilla bug report. I plan on improving our 4.3.0 radeon driver to support any new cards that come out whenever I have the information I need to do the work, and have some spare weekend-hacker time to do the necessary volunteer work. Currently the XT/SE cards wont work I don't think, however you can probably trick them into working by using the "ChipID" config file directive in the config file to lie to the driver about what card you have. "man XF86Config" documents this option and how to use it. ie: ChipId "0x4150" That line would probably allow a Radeon 9600 SE/XT/whatever to work by faking that it is a "Radeon 9600 AP". You can get the various PCI ID numbers for various supported cards from: /usr/share/hwdata/pcitable So, if your card is not autodetected by our config tool and/or not autodetected by the video driver, please report a bug report or request for enhancement in bugzilla, so that I at least know about the missing hardware support and might be able to add support for it when I have spare time, for future XFree86 4.3.0 update releases. I can't guarantee any kind of speedy resolution of course, but it'd be nice to have a list of various cards in bugzilla that need work, so that when I do have the time to hack on it, I can add them all at once. ;o) Nvidia support status: The "nv" driver in 4.3.0 supports the majority of Nvidia hardware that existed in February 2003, plus it has code to support similar hardware that Nvidia planned on shipping later than that, but which the driver will claim is "unknown Nvidia blah blah" and try to drive it nonethless. The "nv" driver *only* supports CRT displays officially, flat panel display types are not officially supported, but the driver has experimental support which might or might not work depending on the exact brand/make/model/phase of the moon, etc. It is also possible that there are newer Nvidia boards that aren't supported or just don't work at all for one reason or another. User's experiencing problems with the "nv" driver, be they general bugs, or lack of support for their particular card, should also file bug reports in Red Hat bugzilla, however they should also file them in XFree86 bugzilla as Nvidia doesn't release their specifications nor any detailed information on how their hardware works, so adding support for new chips is nowhere near as simple as doing it for the Radeon driver. All Nvidia "nv" driver related bug reports if filed in Red Hat bugzilla, should also be filed at: http://bugs.xfree86.org including complete details of any problems, and having config file and log file attachments. Where possible, I will try to also update the Nvidia "nv" driver to support newer Nvidia hardware as volunteer time permits. NOTE: This is STRICTLY for the Red Hat/XFree86 supplied "nv" driver. DO NOT file bug reports about using the proprietary Nvidia video drivers, as we do not support those drivers at all. Any problems experienced while using the Nvidia proprietary drivers should be reported to Nvidia directly and discussed on their end user web support forums (don't have the URL handy) as this is Nvidia Inc.'s preferred mechanism for handling problems in their drivers. If a user is using both the proprietary and the "nv" driver on their system and having problems with the "nv" driver, before reporting problems, disable the proprietary driver and it's kernel module completely, then do a full system reboot in order to reset the video hardware to it's default power on state, as the different drivers can and do program the Nvidia hardware a bit differently and this can cause the 'nv' driver to fail once the proprietary driver has been used since boot time. Final comments: I must ask politely that people please do NOT email me personally for help configuring their hardware or solving X configuration problems, etc. I generally get 20-50 or more email requests for special help from people when I send an email like this out, and unfortunately, I really truely do not have time to help that many people out individually. Any email based tech support or discussion of any problems should take place on xfree86-list at redhat.com, or fedora-devel-list at redhat.com, or even xfree86 at xfree86.org, so that numerous developers and other people can possibly assist with a given problem someone is experiencing. Any generic questions about future X support or development should also be directed to one of those mailing lists, or dri-devel on sourceforge, rather than directly to me. Bug reports and RFEs should be filed at: http://bugzilla.redhat.com http://bugs.xfree86.org While this email is rather lengthy, if I've missed anything and someone decides to respond, please respond on the mailing list that you received this email from and do not reply directly to me privately. I'll probably reply to any discussions on our mailing lists that crop up from this mail, but probably ignore all private replies. ;o) Thanks in advance for testing out this new hardware support, and for contributing bug reports and enhancement requests so that we can hopefully end up being able to support the latest video hardware for y'all. ;o) Enjoy. -- Mike A. Harris ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris OS Systems Engineer - XFree86 maintainer - Red Hat From tim at birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie Tue Oct 21 11:29:48 2003 From: tim at birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie (Timothy Murphy) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 12:29:48 +0100 Subject: lilo vs grub In-Reply-To: <20031021045653.GA9180@mark.mielke.cc> References: <20031021010301.2326.56861.Mailman@listman.back-rdu.redhat.com> <3F94A5FC.6050508@ispaceonline.org> <20031021045653.GA9180@mark.mielke.cc> Message-ID: <200310211229.48558.tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie> On Tuesday 21 October 2003 05:56, Mark Mielke wrote: > Your argument would have substance, if, for example, lilo was a competitive > alternative that was actively maintained (KDE vs GNOME for example). Why do you keep making this bizarre claim that LILO is not maintained? I just looked for "lilo released" in comp.os.linux.announce and see the following on the first page. (I didn't even catch the most recent version, which came out a few days ago.) ===================================================== LILO version 22.5.3 released comp.os.linux.announce - 10 May 2003 by johninsd at san dot rr dot com - View Thread (2 articles) LILO version 22.5.2 released comp.os.linux.announce - 1 May 2003 by johninsd at san dot rr dot com - View Thread (1 article) LILO version 22.5.5 released comp.os.linux.announce - 16 Jun 2003 by johninsd at san dot rr dot com - View Thread (1 article) ====================================================== Ps Like you, I don't use LILO, but that is no reason to denigrate it as you continually do. Incidentally, my search led me to look at some of the esoteric things the latest LILO can do, and it seems to me rather improbable that grub can do them all. (I don't want to do any of them, so it doesn't make me want to use LILO, but I assume there are people with these strange needs.) -- Timothy Murphy e-mail (<80k only): tim /at/ birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland From JDrabb at tampabay.rr.com Tue Oct 21 11:31:09 2003 From: JDrabb at tampabay.rr.com (James Drabb) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 07:31:09 -0400 Subject: America's Army 1.9.0 game (3D bug?) In-Reply-To: <1066719116.18504.7.camel@tiger> References: <1066719116.18504.7.camel@tiger> Message-ID: <1066735869.5996.9.camel@keelie.tampabay.rr.com> On Tue, 2003-10-21 at 02:51, Louis Garcia wrote: > I'm running a radeon-7500 card and been playing wolfenstein and quake3 > just fine under FC3. I just got America's Army to try it. Well it runs > fine but the 3D rendering is messed up. How can I tell if this is a dri > bug or a game bug? Since this is third party software can I expect no > support if I file a bug? > > --Lou This happened to me as well on my laptop with a Radeon 7500 M7. I put the game on a system with an NVidia card and it worked perfectly. I am pretty sure this is by design since NVidia was a part of the process and had some promo stuff with it http://www.nvidia.com/object/games_army.html I think I read on /. that NVidia put out a bootable Linux CD with this game so people could play it. If you look at the FAQ for AmericasArmy, it doesn't say that only NVidia is required, though it lists OpenGL drivers from NVidia and XIG as being known to work: http://www.americasarmy.com/faq_linux.php?p=3&t=4#faq0 I doubt it is an DRI issue and more of a card issue. Jim Drabb -- James Drabb Senior Programmer Analyst Davenport, FL USA From tim at birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie Tue Oct 21 11:38:14 2003 From: tim at birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie (Timothy Murphy) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 12:38:14 +0100 Subject: lilo vs grub In-Reply-To: References: <1066709599.9999.36.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <200310211238.14429.tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie> On Tuesday 21 October 2003 05:54, Alexandre Oliva wrote: > Dude! How could you forget the alternative of shipping with a BSD > kernel as an option?!? :-) Although I'm a grub user, I find the arguments put forward here for grub exclusivity very odd. Surely there _are_ many choices in RedHat/Fedora, eg choice of browser, email and news clients, etc. I find the idea that there is something wrong with choice bizarre. -- Timothy Murphy e-mail (<80k only): tim /at/ birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland From nbecker at hns.com Tue Oct 21 11:39:42 2003 From: nbecker at hns.com (Neal D. Becker) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 07:39:42 -0400 Subject: 2.6.0 alsa howto? Message-ID: <200310210739.42471.nbecker@hns.com> I am trying out 2.6.0test8. Everything is working so far except sound. I tried modifying /etc/modules.conf, but still no /dev/dsp (sorry, I am not at that machine now so I can't post the /etc/modules.conf). Can anyone tell me what steps are needed? From david.balazic at uni-mb.si Tue Oct 21 11:42:16 2003 From: david.balazic at uni-mb.si (DAVID BALAZIC) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 13:42:16 +0200 Subject: supermount or equiv? Message-ID: <01L23CBYE7IQ0017PX@rcum.uni-mb.si> "Neal D. Becker" wrote : >On Monday 20 October 2003 10:39 am, DAVID BALAZIC wrote: >> "Neal D. Becker" wrote : >> >On Monday 20 October 2003 09:48 am, Ben Steeves wrote: >> >> On Mon, 2003-10-20 at 10:12, Neal D. Becker wrote: >> >> > Is there any support for automatically mounting a removable device, >> >> > e.g., cdrom, when media is inserted? >> >> Why do you want this ? >> > >So I can tell my newbie friend and he can stop using windoze. Instead of mounting on insert, I use mounitng on use. I use the automounter to do that. No buggy demon running around(magicdev), wasting RAM and doing strange things to the hardware. It just works(TM). -- David Balazic E-mail : david.balazic at uni-mb.si | living in sLOVEnija home page: http://surf.to/stein -- From k_kosmowski at o2.pl Tue Oct 21 11:44:59 2003 From: k_kosmowski at o2.pl (Konrad Kosmowski) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 13:44:59 +0200 Subject: gconf problems. In-Reply-To: <1066710473.13740.11.camel@feklar> References: <1066710473.13740.11.camel@feklar> Message-ID: <20031021134459.258d3db0.k_kosmowski@o2.pl> On Tue, 21 Oct 2003 00:27:53 -0400, "Noah Silva [Mailing List]" wrote: > Whenever I boot the computer and log in [to gnome], everything works > fine. Some times I log out, and then back in, and I get a "Gconfd > could not be started.. settings may not work blah blah..". then it > pops up a dialog for each and every gnome-panel applet, asking if I > want to delete them since they can't be loaded. > If I log out and back in.. it still does it. > If I reboot - it fixes it. Since if you reboot you simply kill all proceses, maybe try killing gconfd after logging out of X and then just log in back? It should work, i've had this issue recently with gnome-panel, I don't use GNOME but I use WindowMaker and GNOME panel since new clockmail-applet for GNOME2 is VERY nice. :-) -- ,--------, |`. .'| Konrad Kosmowski |.'`--'`.| K_Kosmowski at o2.pl '--------' From lists at reforge.fi Tue Oct 21 11:49:21 2003 From: lists at reforge.fi (Lauri Jutila) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 14:49:21 +0300 Subject: Fedora Core test3 on Latitude D800 [report] In-Reply-To: References: <1066688443.5208.21.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1066736961.14047.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> > Hmm... that is very very odd. The mouse cursor is either > "software" in which it uses generic X server code to implement a > mouse cursor which gets drawn directly into the framebuffer, or > it is a "hardware" cursor, which is implemented usually in the > video hardware itself and overlaid on top of the framebuffer via > the DAC or another mechanism, and requires special video driver > support, which most drivers currently support. > > Both the software and hardware cursor support shouldn't in any > way depend on which kernel is installed. If you are using Red > Hat supplied open source video drivers, I would expect the mouse > cursor to work identically regardless of which kernel is in use. My GPU is GeForce4 4200 Go w/ 64MB. I've been using open source Nvidia drivers that ship with XFree86 and with those drivers, I've had the problem. Here are three samples images: http://jutila.net/img/cursor-1.jpg http://jutila.net/img/cursor-2.jpg http://jutila.net/img/cursor-3.jpg I grabbed latest Nvidia's own binary drivers from their website, compiled and installed it, and lo and behold, the problem has disappeared. Could DRI cause this problem on my hardware? Anyway, if you need more information, just ask for it. Regards, -- Lauri Jutila Chief Linux Fellow, Reforge lists at reforge.fi http://www.reforge.fi From chuck at linuxsage.net Tue Oct 21 11:51:36 2003 From: chuck at linuxsage.net (Charles R. Tersteeg) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 06:51:36 -0500 (CDT) Subject: America's Army 1.9.0 game (3D bug?) In-Reply-To: <1066719116.18504.7.camel@tiger> References: <1066719116.18504.7.camel@tiger> Message-ID: <56677.198.26.125.12.1066737096.squirrel@webmail.linuxsage.net> i'm running neverwinternights under the beta on a ati m6 chipset and most things render slowly and somethings, do not render but the outline. my characters and monsters in the game appear to be ghosts or invisible. > I'm running a radeon-7500 card and been playing wolfenstein and quake3 > just fine under FC3. I just got America's Army to try it. Well it runs > fine but the 3D rendering is messed up. How can I tell if this is a dri > bug or a game bug? Since this is third party software can I expect no > support if I file a bug? > > --Lou > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > From bcs at metacon.ca Tue Oct 21 12:00:10 2003 From: bcs at metacon.ca (Ben Steeves) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 09:00:10 -0300 Subject: gconf problems. In-Reply-To: <1066710473.13740.11.camel@feklar> References: <1066710473.13740.11.camel@feklar> Message-ID: <1066737610.2714.2.camel@zephyr> On Tue, 2003-10-21 at 01:27, Noah Silva [Mailing List] wrote: > I don't think this is redhat specific, but it is very annoying (I have > had it happen on debian too). I don't know if it's a gconf bug, or > maybe a gnome-session bug. > > Whenever I boot the computer and log in [to gnome], everything works > fine. Some times I log out, and then back in, and I get a "Gconfd could > not be started.. settings may not work blah blah..". then it pops up a > dialog for each and every gnome-panel applet, asking if I want to delete > them since they can't be loaded. A known issue... see: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124707 and http://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=106826 ...the long and the short of it is... killing evolution-wombat manually before logging in again will fix it, but this is not the solution, obviously. -- Ben Steeves _ bcs at metacon.ca The ASCII ribbon campaign ( ) ben.steeves at unb.ca against HTML e-mail X GPG ID: 0xB3EBF1D9 http://www.metacon.ca/ascii / \ Yahoo Messenger: ben_steeves From k_b0000 at yahoo.se Tue Oct 21 12:07:15 2003 From: k_b0000 at yahoo.se (k b) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 05:07:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: mysql 4? In-Reply-To: <20031021105627.GA7676@orient.maison> Message-ID: <20031021120715.17538.qmail@web12003.mail.yahoo.com> --- Emmanuel Seyman wrote: > On Tue, Oct 21, 2003 at 01:48:24AM -0700, k b wrote: > > > > why in not mysql 4 added? > > as far as i know 4.0.15 is in production. > > http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/2003-July/msg00045.html > > Emmanuel > thanks for the reply. hope it will be fixed soon. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From fedora at warmcat.com Tue Oct 21 12:13:37 2003 From: fedora at warmcat.com (Andy Green) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 13:13:37 +0100 Subject: Newer ATI Radeon, ATI FireGL, and Nvidia GeForce/Quadro hardware support In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200310211313.37995.fedora@warmcat.com> On Tuesday 21 October 2003 12:28, Mike A. Harris wrote: > Any problems experienced while using the Nvidia proprietary > drivers should be reported to Nvidia directly and discussed on > their end user web support forums (don't have the URL handy) as http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=14&daysprune=30&sortorder=&sortfield=lastpost&perpage=25&pagenumber=1 FYI the nvidia driver is working well here on Test3, with one exception. I can't get it to work on 2.6test8 yet tho. You probably don't want to know, but the one exception is a crash on startup of the Screen resize and rotate app... here is an almost completely usless stack trace. Possibly it exceeds my expectations and has managed to actually be completely useless. (no debugging symbols found)...Using host libthread_db library "/lib/tls/libthread_db.so.1". (no debugging symbols found)... (no debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)... (no debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)... (no debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)... (no debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)... (no debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)... (no debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)... (no debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)... (no debugging symbols found)...[Thread debugging using libthread_db enabled] [New Thread -1085316000 (LWP 32415)] (no debugging symbols found)... (no debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)... (no debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)... (no debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)... (no debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)... (no debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)... (no debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)... (no debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)... (no debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)... (no debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)... (no debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)... (no debugging symbols found)...0x00166c32 in _dl_sysinfo_int80 () from /lib/ld-linux.so.2 #0 0x00166c32 in _dl_sysinfo_int80 () from /lib/ld-linux.so.2 #1 0x00907963 in __waitpid_nocancel () from /lib/tls/libpthread.so.0 #2 0x00ceb6fc in KCrash::defaultCrashHandler(int) () from /usr/lib/libkdecore.so.4 -Andy From mharris at redhat.com Tue Oct 21 12:15:38 2003 From: mharris at redhat.com (Mike A. Harris) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 08:15:38 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Fedora Core test3 on Latitude D800 [report] In-Reply-To: <1066736961.14047.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1066688443.5208.21.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1066736961.14047.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On Tue, 21 Oct 2003, Lauri Jutila wrote: >> Hmm... that is very very odd. The mouse cursor is either >> "software" in which it uses generic X server code to implement a >> mouse cursor which gets drawn directly into the framebuffer, or >> it is a "hardware" cursor, which is implemented usually in the >> video hardware itself and overlaid on top of the framebuffer via >> the DAC or another mechanism, and requires special video driver >> support, which most drivers currently support. >> >> Both the software and hardware cursor support shouldn't in any >> way depend on which kernel is installed. If you are using Red >> Hat supplied open source video drivers, I would expect the mouse >> cursor to work identically regardless of which kernel is in use. > >My GPU is GeForce4 4200 Go w/ 64MB. I've been using open source Nvidia >drivers that ship with XFree86 and with those drivers, I've had the >problem. > >Here are three samples images: >http://jutila.net/img/cursor-1.jpg >http://jutila.net/img/cursor-2.jpg >http://jutila.net/img/cursor-3.jpg > >I grabbed latest Nvidia's own binary drivers from their website, >compiled and installed it, and lo and behold, the problem has >disappeared. For the record... Nvidia maintains *both* drivers, so they'll ultimately be the one's that fix such problems. ;o) Question: Are the cursors you're using, the ones that were in use when the X server started, or have you ran xsetroot or another mechanism to change the cursors while X is running? >Could DRI cause this problem on my hardware? Anyway, if you need more >information, just ask for it. No. DRI does not support Nvidia hardware in any way, and none of the DRI code is ever executed while using Nvidia hardware. If the "dri" module is in the module section of the config file, then the X server loads the DRI extension. The DRI extension doesn't do anything at all unless the video driver uses it, and neither of the Nvidia drivers use it. -- Mike A. Harris ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris OS Systems Engineer - XFree86 maintainer - Red Hat From paul at all-the-johnsons.co.uk Tue Oct 21 12:15:52 2003 From: paul at all-the-johnsons.co.uk (PFJ) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 13:15:52 +0100 Subject: Adding a package to the distro proper (possibly OT) In-Reply-To: <20031021120715.17538.qmail@web12003.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20031021120715.17538.qmail@web12003.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1066738551.8573.24.camel@ahnews.music.salford.ac.uk> Hi, Are there any guides to getting a package included with the fedora distro? I'm one of the developers on the Scribus team and we'd love Fedora to ship with it. SuSE, Mandark, Slack and IIRC Debian all ship with it as part of the distro. More information is at http://www.scribus.org.uk. I can provide a RH RPM if required. TTFN Paul -- Free your mind to a time where a company does not have control Free your mind to a choice of applications which you can control Free your mind from the closed world of those who seek total power Free your mind to the wonderful world of free software From mharris at redhat.com Tue Oct 21 12:17:27 2003 From: mharris at redhat.com (Mike A. Harris) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 08:17:27 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Newer ATI Radeon, ATI FireGL, and Nvidia GeForce/Quadro hardware support In-Reply-To: <200310211313.37995.fedora@warmcat.com> References: <200310211313.37995.fedora@warmcat.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 21 Oct 2003, Andy Green wrote: >You probably don't want to know, but the one exception is a crash on startup >of the Screen resize and rotate app... here is an almost completely usless >stack trace. Possibly it exceeds my expectations and has managed to actually >be completely useless. > [SNIP] >(no debugging symbols found)...0x00166c32 in _dl_sysinfo_int80 () > from /lib/ld-linux.so.2 >#0 0x00166c32 in _dl_sysinfo_int80 () from /lib/ld-linux.so.2 >#1 0x00907963 in __waitpid_nocancel () from /lib/tls/libpthread.so.0 >#2 0x00ceb6fc in KCrash::defaultCrashHandler(int) () ^^^^^^ > from /usr/lib/libkdecore.so.4 This is from some KDE application. -- Mike A. Harris ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris OS Systems Engineer - XFree86 maintainer - Red Hat From nsilva-list at atari-source.com Tue Oct 21 12:23:12 2003 From: nsilva-list at atari-source.com (Noah Silva [Mailing List]) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 08:23:12 -0400 Subject: gconf problems. In-Reply-To: <1066737610.2714.2.camel@zephyr> References: <1066710473.13740.11.camel@feklar> <1066737610.2714.2.camel@zephyr> Message-ID: <1066738992.13740.19.camel@feklar> On Tue, 2003-10-21 at 08:00, Ben Steeves wrote: > On Tue, 2003-10-21 at 01:27, Noah Silva [Mailing List] wrote: > > I don't think this is redhat specific, but it is very annoying (I have > > had it happen on debian too). I don't know if it's a gconf bug, or > > maybe a gnome-session bug. > > > > Whenever I boot the computer and log in [to gnome], everything works > > ... > > them since they can't be loaded. > > A known issue... see: > http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124707 > and > http://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=106826 > > ...the long and the short of it is... killing evolution-wombat manually > before logging in again will fix it, but this is not the solution, > obviously. Does this happen for everyone then? it's been happening for a while... I thought my situation must be unusual or it would have been fixed long ago. Perhaps most people just don't log in and out? What about terminal servers? Maybe for now I can have GDM kill the wombat process before it starts X? -- Thanks, Noah Silva A T A R I - S O U R C E . C O M From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Tue Oct 21 12:23:41 2003 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 08:23:41 -0400 Subject: gconf problems. In-Reply-To: <1066738992.13740.19.camel@feklar> References: <1066710473.13740.11.camel@feklar> <1066737610.2714.2.camel@zephyr> <1066738992.13740.19.camel@feklar> Message-ID: <1066739021.7859.2.camel@binkley> > Does this happen for everyone then? it's been happening for a while... > I thought my situation must be unusual or it would have been fixed long > ago. Perhaps most people just don't log in and out? What about > terminal servers? > > Maybe for now I can have GDM kill the wombat process before it starts X? complain to the evolution authors about wombat staying running. I've been told it's a 'feature' not a bug. I think they're wrong. Maybe if enough people suggest that this behavior is wrong they'll get it. -sv From mike at netlyncs.com Tue Oct 21 12:41:16 2003 From: mike at netlyncs.com (Mike Chambers) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 07:41:16 -0500 Subject: Network Config In-Reply-To: <20031021004104.A6209@starport.org> References: <20031021004104.A6209@starport.org> Message-ID: <1066740075.1863.3.camel@bart.netlyncs.com> On Mon, 2003-10-20 at 23:41, JDK wrote: > I was thinking I could just slap the second nic in, leave > everything set as DHCP, and be along my happy way. No joy. > I got kicked into Kudzu on reboot, and it correctly found and > config'd the new nic, but eth1 fails to start. I tried to > switch it to static IP, and then could not get network on > either nic. I got internet back when I disabled eth1. I > can't get the Kid's PC to get an IP in either scenario. Can > someone tell me what the network settings should be for eth1 > in this type of config? Should use a static IP for eth1 as it won't be getting an address from your router. You will also probably need to turn on ip_forward so eth0 will allow eth1 traffic out. And you will probably have to use Guardian to setup masquerading for the Kids box to pass through. -- Mike Chambers Madisonville, KY "Can you hear me now?....GOOD!" From lists at reforge.fi Tue Oct 21 12:43:49 2003 From: lists at reforge.fi (Lauri Jutila) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 15:43:49 +0300 Subject: Fedora Core test3 on Latitude D800 [report] In-Reply-To: References: <1066688443.5208.21.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1066736961.14047.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1066740229.14047.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> > For the record... Nvidia maintains *both* drivers, so they'll > ultimately be the one's that fix such problems. ;o) Well, it's up to them then to fix any possible glitches. :) > Question: Are the cursors you're using, the ones that were in > use when the X server started, or have you ran xsetroot or > another mechanism to change the cursors while X is running? This happens on default (and yum-updated) Fedora Core test3 installation. I haven't used xsetroot or any other manipulation mechanism. If a particular program does that, I'm not aware of it. -- Lauri Jutila Chief Linux Fellow, Reforge lists at reforge.fi http://www.reforge.fi From mike at netlyncs.com Tue Oct 21 12:49:14 2003 From: mike at netlyncs.com (Mike Chambers) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 07:49:14 -0500 Subject: (no subject) In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20031020141434.02e8ca50@mail.web-ster.com> References: <5.2.1.1.0.20031020141434.02e8ca50@mail.web-ster.com> Message-ID: <1066740554.1863.6.camel@bart.netlyncs.com> On Mon, 2003-10-20 at 16:20, Scott Baker wrote: > At that point I got the error below and attempted to make an initrd file > and I was getting those errors about a missing dep file. I have > mkinitrd-3.5.7-2 > installed which should be plenty current. Why is it complaining about a > missing dep file? Just an FYI, but rawhide contains all files needed by kernel-2.6 to include mkinitrd and such and are up to date, if not newer then what is on Arjan's site. -- Mike Chambers Madisonville, KY "Can you hear me now?....GOOD!" From nsilva-list at aoi.atari-source.com Tue Oct 21 13:25:01 2003 From: nsilva-list at aoi.atari-source.com (Noah Silva [Mailing list]) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 09:25:01 -0400 (EDT) Subject: gconf problems. In-Reply-To: <1066739021.7859.2.camel@binkley> Message-ID: On Tue, 21 Oct 2003, seth vidal wrote: > > > Does this happen for everyone then? it's been happening for a while... > > ... > > terminal servers? > > > > Maybe for now I can have GDM kill the wombat process before it starts X? > > > complain to the evolution authors about wombat staying running. I've > been told it's a 'feature' not a bug. I think they're wrong. Maybe if > enough people suggest that this behavior is wrong they'll get it. > even so, it is at least a bug that Bonobo-activation-daemon doesn't get that the Xauthority might not stay the same. Since it doesn't get explicitly killed when you log out, I assume it's supposed to be ok for it to keep running. -- noah silva From bcs at metacon.ca Tue Oct 21 13:30:02 2003 From: bcs at metacon.ca (Ben Steeves) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 10:30:02 -0300 Subject: gconf problems. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1066743002.2714.32.camel@zephyr> On Tue, 2003-10-21 at 10:25, Noah Silva [Mailing list] wrote: > > > > complain to the evolution authors about wombat staying running. I've > > been told it's a 'feature' not a bug. I think they're wrong. Maybe if > > enough people suggest that this behavior is wrong they'll get it. > > > > even so, it is at least a bug that Bonobo-activation-daemon doesn't get > that the Xauthority might not stay the same. > > Since it doesn't get explicitly killed when you log out, I assume it's > supposed to be ok for it to keep running. Dan Winship (from Ximian) fired the ball directly into bonobo-activation-server's court. That's a GNOME component, hmm? -- Ben Steeves _ bcs at metacon.ca The ASCII ribbon campaign ( ) ben.steeves at unb.ca against HTML e-mail X GPG ID: 0xB3EBF1D9 http://www.metacon.ca/ascii / \ Yahoo Messenger: ben_steeves From jeremyp at pobox.com Tue Oct 21 13:48:29 2003 From: jeremyp at pobox.com (Jeremy Portzer) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 09:48:29 -0400 Subject: lilo vs grub In-Reply-To: <200310210941.13704.tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie> References: <3F931F56.4050400@bol.com.br> <20031020165549.GC12274@rednote.net> <1066708062.2070.5.camel@bettie.internal.frields.org> <200310210941.13704.tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie> Message-ID: <1066744109.24096.17.camel@jeremy.dtcc.cc.nc.us> On Tue, 2003-10-21 at 04:41, Timothy Murphy wrote: > I've seen many requests for grub to add the LILO feature > allowing a one-time boot into a non-default kernel, > but nothing has been done. Incorrect. This feature is present since Fri Mar 08 2002, according to the grub changelog, and was included in RHL 7.3 and later. Use the "--once" flag to the "savedefault" command. I agree it's not quite as convenient as the LILO method, but it most certainly is there and has been there for over 18 months. Please stop posting obviously incorrect comments; this is no better than the folks who claim LILO isn't being maintained. > I've seen many comments about grub documentation > but nothing has been done. There is plenty of documentation for grub in the "info" pages. Perhaps you are not aware of how to use "info"? 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Whenever I try to compile something, no matter if it's just a small goodie or a huge app, I get #make[1]: Entering directory `/home/raoul/develope/blabla' #make[1]: Nothing to do for target ?all?. #make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/raoul/develope/blabla' Of corse it's not finished and 'make install' also fails, no files are copied. Any ideas? I think I've been updating to a new version of gcc-3.2 yesterday. Christoph -- "Wenn zu perfekt - Gott b?se." Nam June Paik _______________________________ Christoph Wickert mailto:christoph.wickert at web.de From yusufg at outblaze.com Tue Oct 21 14:19:17 2003 From: yusufg at outblaze.com (Yusuf Goolamabbas) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 22:19:17 +0800 Subject: Software Raid and Grub Howto Message-ID: <20031021141917.GA23326@outblaze.com> This might be of use to people who want to run Grub on top of a software raid system http://lists.us.dell.com/pipermail/linux-poweredge/2003-July/014331.html Maybe this can be cleaned up and packaged as part of the release notes for Fedora Regards, Yusuf -- If you're not using Firebird, you're not surfing the web you're suffering it http://www.mozilla.org/products/firebird/why/ From eric at interplas.com Tue Oct 21 14:09:44 2003 From: eric at interplas.com (Eric Wood) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 10:09:44 -0400 Subject: lilo vs grub References: <3F931F56.4050400@bol.com.br> <20031020165549.GC12274@rednote.net> <1066708062.2070.5.camel@bettie.internal.frields.org> <200310210941.13704.tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie> Message-ID: <018601c397dc$faa7b500$9100000a@intgrp.com> Timothy Murphy wrote: > I find these remarks quite extraordinary. > I see new versions of LILO advertised almost weekly. http://home.san.rr.com/johninsd/pub/linux/lilo/CHANGES as of 10/9/2003 vs. latest grub I see is 0.93 with a changelog date of 12/4/2002 Now I like grub over lilo. I got sick of this dang "LI" messages whenever my systems wouldn't boot. Maybe LILO has overcome that problem. And I can totally blame LILO because I know RedHat has distributed older packages before which break under new environments. Anyway, there one of two possibilities here: 1. Lilo is indeed growing more superior than grub because of its active development. There have been a ton of changes to lilo since the last release of grub. 2. Grub doesn't need to do be patched rather extensively because it's forward-looking engineering is already compensating for the new systems. Therefor grub is as mature as it needs to be (for now). Looking at the changelogs, I didn't realize how much lilo has grown up till now. Maybe I should rethink my preference if possibility #2 proves false. -eric wood From thompsma at colorado.edu Tue Oct 21 14:14:18 2003 From: thompsma at colorado.edu (The Matt) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 08:14:18 -0600 Subject: Up2date + Arjan 2.6 kernel problem Message-ID: <1066745657.24203.7.camel@ixion.colorado.edu> I recently decided to try out using up2date on my Fedora 0.95 test box to upgrade my kernel to Arjan's 2.6.0-test8 kernel. I uncommented the line in /etc/sysconfig/rhn/sources to add Arjan's repo, and ran up2date (gui). However, when I selected Arjan's repo and told it to get his kernel, it came up with a collision. Namely, it was complaining that /lib/modules from his kernel conflicted with /lib/modules from filesystem-2.2.1-5. Thus, up2date won't proceed. I guess my question is can I use up2date and Arjan's repo, and if so, how can I get around this? Or, do I need to --force on the kernel via rpm -i? Thanks for any help, Matt -- "And isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony, anyway? I mean, all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, ooh ooh ooh, the sky's the limit!" -- The Tick The Matt -- http://ucsub.colorado.edu/~thompsma/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From eric at interplas.com Tue Oct 21 14:17:24 2003 From: eric at interplas.com (Eric Wood) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 10:17:24 -0400 Subject: lilo vs grub References: <3F931F56.4050400@bol.com.br> <20031020165549.GC12274@rednote.net> <1066708062.2070.5.camel@bettie.internal.frields.org> <200310210941.13704.tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie> <018601c397dc$faa7b500$9100000a@intgrp.com> Message-ID: <01c201c397de$0c5903c0$9100000a@intgrp.com> Eric Wood wrote: > Maybe LILO has overcome that > problem. And I can totally blame LILO because I know RedHat has sorry, I meant "I can't totally blame LILO". From paul.s.truzzi at boeing.com Tue Oct 21 14:17:02 2003 From: paul.s.truzzi at boeing.com (Truzzi, Paul S) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 07:17:02 -0700 Subject: Up2date hangs at Testing Package Set Message-ID: First thanks to everyone who sent me suggestions. Funny thing is no changes on my end seemed to have been needed. Yesterday when I cranked up the system up2date was able to solve the RPM inter-dependencies. I suspect someone on the Fedora/Red Hat team made some changes on their end. My thanks to them. > -----Original Message----- > From: "Paul" > Sent: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 15:48:29 -0700 > To: fedora-test-list redhat com > Subject: Up2date hangs at Testing Package Set > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > I was updating from beta 2 to 3 via up2date. I grabbed the new kernel but > started having problems with "Testing Package Set / Solving RPM > Inter-dependencies". If I selected more than 8 or 10 packages it would just > hang up and the status bar never even started. So I grabbed the update for > up2date. Things started to get even worse. Now the inter-dependency check > hangs even if I select one package ( I did wait 3-1/2 hours for it to do its > thing). > > From johnsonm at redhat.com Tue Oct 21 14:36:37 2003 From: johnsonm at redhat.com (Michael K. Johnson) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 10:36:37 -0400 Subject: Speakup in kernel In-Reply-To: <20031020221535.GO15678@rednote.net>; from janina@rednote.net on Mon, Oct 20, 2003 at 06:15:35PM -0400 References: <20031020155537.GI7677@rednote.net> <200310202018.h9KKIwA11721@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <20031020221535.GO15678@rednote.net> Message-ID: <20031021103637.A32367@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Mon, Oct 20, 2003 at 06:15:35PM -0400, Janina Sajka wrote: > So, why bring it up to FC? Because Speakup was already there in RH > 8.0--and then was summarily pulled, even though the I18N issue which > triggered the retraction was resolved. I may add it was resolved before > Speakup became modular. There is a fairly extensive user base, small > compared to the whole, but not as compared to users of eyes-free. There were multiple reasons that it was pulled, including security. Until it is upstream, I'd call its inclusion an unfortunately failed experiment. :-( Again, one of the goals of FC is to focus very strongly on moving to changes being made upstream. michaelkjohnson "He that composes himself is wiser than he that composes a book." Linux Application Development -- Ben Franklin http://people.redhat.com/johnsonm/lad/ From johnsonm at redhat.com Tue Oct 21 14:37:54 2003 From: johnsonm at redhat.com (Michael K. Johnson) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 10:37:54 -0400 Subject: Fedora Core test3 on Latitude D800 [report] In-Reply-To: <1066688443.5208.21.camel@localhost.localdomain>; from lists@reforge.fi on Tue, Oct 21, 2003 at 01:20:43AM +0300 References: <1066688443.5208.21.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20031021103754.B32367@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Tue, Oct 21, 2003 at 01:20:43AM +0300, Lauri Jutila wrote: > 1) Everything except integrated Broadcom NIC work out-of-box. BCM5700 > driver gets network up 'n' running with 2.4.22 series, the driver is not > included in Fedora kernels. Quick module build 'n' install is required > every time a new kernel is installed, but it works. tg3 driver should drive bcm5700-class hardware. Please file a bug if the tg3 driver doesn't work. michaelkjohnson "He that composes himself is wiser than he that composes a book." Linux Application Development -- Ben Franklin http://people.redhat.com/johnsonm/lad/ From johnsonm at redhat.com Tue Oct 21 14:44:59 2003 From: johnsonm at redhat.com (Michael K. Johnson) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 10:44:59 -0400 Subject: gnome-workspace switcher grants extra resolution? In-Reply-To: <1066697841.7936.117.camel@CirithUngol>; from fedora@andrewfarris.com on Mon, Oct 20, 2003 at 05:57:21PM -0700 References: <1066697841.7936.117.camel@CirithUngol> Message-ID: <20031021104459.C32367@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Mon, Oct 20, 2003 at 05:57:21PM -0700, Andrew Farris wrote: > After upgrade from RH9 to test3, my gnome workspace switcher seems to be > using a higher resolution than my desktop! Whenever switching by mouse > click, the screen shifts off center to the direction I clicked in the > workspace image, seemingly allowing a 2048x1536 resolution desktop when > it is otherwise NOT used. What window manager are you using? I've seen this with sawfish. It was the reason I reluctantly abandoned sawfish as insufficiently gnome-aware and moved to metacity. (I still miss the configurability of sawfish, geek that I am...) michaelkjohnson "He that composes himself is wiser than he that composes a book." Linux Application Development -- Ben Franklin http://people.redhat.com/johnsonm/lad/ From jkeating at j2solutions.net Tue Oct 21 14:52:27 2003 From: jkeating at j2solutions.net (Jesse Keating) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 07:52:27 -0700 Subject: Fedora Issues In-Reply-To: <200310210058.38781.hoyt@cavtel.net> References: <1066665712.5083.11.camel@trillian.myserenity.net> <200310201047.35524.jkeating@j2solutions.net> <200310210058.38781.hoyt@cavtel.net> Message-ID: <200310210752.32264.jkeating@j2solutions.net> On Monday 20 October 2003 21:58, HoytDuff uttered: > I've heard this a lot, but haven't seen an explanation of 1.) why 3.3 > doesn't work, It's not so much that 3.3 doesn't work, it's that the kernel code isn't quite clean enough for 3.3 to work. > 2.) why 3.3 was used if it doesn't work and Because waiting for the huge kernel to come together is just silly. Moving forward and putting even more pressure on the kernel folks is a bit better. No sense in holding back the rest of the class because of one slow student. > 3.) why there > are no red flags all over the Release Notes about it. There were the last time I looked. A quick look of the 0.95 ones show that it isn't there anymore, except for a small blurb in the package changes: - gcc32 ? Version 3.2.3 of GCC (used for building the kernel) Perhaps a decent RFE would be to include the specific information about compiling a kernel with gcc32, with the example of how to set your CC variable. Care to 'zilla it if it's not already there? -- Jesse Keating RHCE MCSE (http://geek.j2solutions.net) Fedora Legacy Team (http://www.fedora.us/wiki/FedoraLegacy) Mondo DevTeam (www.mondorescue.org) GPG Public Key (http://geek.j2solutions.net/jkeating.j2solutions.pub) Was I helpful? Let others know: http://svcs.affero.net/rm.php?r=jkeating -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: signature URL: From markkukolkka at kolumbus.fi Tue Oct 21 14:51:34 2003 From: markkukolkka at kolumbus.fi (Markku Kolkka) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 17:51:34 +0300 Subject: Adding a package to the distro proper (possibly OT) In-Reply-To: <1066738551.8573.24.camel@ahnews.music.salford.ac.uk> References: <20031021120715.17538.qmail@web12003.mail.yahoo.com> <1066738551.8573.24.camel@ahnews.music.salford.ac.uk> Message-ID: <200310211751.34497.markkukolkka@kolumbus.fi> PFJ kirjoitti viestiss??n (l?hetysaika Tiistai 21. Lokakuuta 2003 15:15): > Are there any guides to getting a package included with the fedora > distro? First, read the Developer's Guide: http://fedora.redhat.com/participate/developers-guide/ I believe the "official" way is to file a Request For Enhancement in the Red Hat Bugzilla: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/ i.e. create a new "bug" with product=Fedora Core, component=distribution and severity=enhancement. You could also submit the package to fedora.us, see instructions at http://www.fedora.us/wiki/PackageSubmissionQAPolicy -- Markku Kolkka markku.kolkka at iki.fi From christoph.wickert at web.de Tue Oct 21 14:57:41 2003 From: christoph.wickert at web.de (Christoph Wickert) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 16:57:41 +0200 Subject: Dependencies in KDE packages Message-ID: <1066748261.6207.9.camel@hal9000.lokales.netz> Hi! # rpm -e kdegames Fehler: Failed dependencies: libatlantic.so.1 is needed by (installed) kdeaddons-3.1.4-1 libatlantikui.so.1 is needed by (installed) kdeaddons-3.1.4-1 libkdegames.so.1 is needed by (installed) kdeaddons-3.1.4-1 Why not make smaller packages? Why not provide a meta-package kdegames that includes the games, so I can select myself, what I want to install? Regards Christoph From johnsonm at redhat.com Tue Oct 21 14:56:14 2003 From: johnsonm at redhat.com (Michael K. Johnson) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 10:56:14 -0400 Subject: Adding a package to the distro proper (possibly OT) In-Reply-To: <1066738551.8573.24.camel@ahnews.music.salford.ac.uk>; from paul@all-the-johnsons.co.uk on Tue, Oct 21, 2003 at 01:15:52PM +0100 References: <20031021120715.17538.qmail@web12003.mail.yahoo.com> <1066738551.8573.24.camel@ahnews.music.salford.ac.uk> Message-ID: <20031021105614.D32367@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Tue, Oct 21, 2003 at 01:15:52PM +0100, PFJ wrote: > Are there any guides to getting a package included with the fedora > distro? I'm one of the developers on the Scribus team and we'd love > Fedora to ship with it. SuSE, Mandark, Slack and IIRC Debian all ship > with it as part of the distro. For now, work in the fedora.us framework. Thanks! michaelkjohnson "He that composes himself is wiser than he that composes a book." Linux Application Development -- Ben Franklin http://people.redhat.com/johnsonm/lad/ From paul at all-the-johnsons.co.uk Tue Oct 21 15:05:54 2003 From: paul at all-the-johnsons.co.uk (PFJ) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 16:05:54 +0100 Subject: Adding a package to the distro proper (possibly OT) In-Reply-To: <20031021105614.D32367@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <20031021120715.17538.qmail@web12003.mail.yahoo.com> <1066738551.8573.24.camel@ahnews.music.salford.ac.uk> <20031021105614.D32367@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1066748754.8564.54.camel@ahnews.music.salford.ac.uk> Hi, > > Are there any guides to getting a package included with the fedora > > distro? I'm one of the developers on the Scribus team and we'd love > > Fedora to ship with it. SuSE, Mandark, Slack and IIRC Debian all ship > > with it as part of the distro. > > For now, work in the fedora.us framework. Thanks! I have a feeling it's already in there. I've filed a bug report to ask for its proper inclusion as well. TTFN Paul -- Free your mind to a time where a company does not have control Free your mind to a choice of applications which you can control Free your mind from the closed world of those who seek total power Free your mind to the wonderful world of free software From pauln at truemesh.com Tue Oct 21 15:06:53 2003 From: pauln at truemesh.com (Paul Nasrat) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 16:06:53 +0100 Subject: Up2date + Arjan 2.6 kernel problem In-Reply-To: <1066745657.24203.7.camel@ixion.colorado.edu> References: <1066745657.24203.7.camel@ixion.colorado.edu> Message-ID: <20031021150652.GV24349@shitake.truemesh.com> On Tue, Oct 21, 2003 at 08:14:18AM -0600, The Matt wrote: > However, when I selected Arjan's repo and told it to get his kernel, it > came up with a collision. Namely, it was complaining that /lib/modules > from his kernel conflicted with /lib/modules from filesystem-2.2.1-5. > Thus, up2date won't proceed. Known bug in up2date apt repo handling: 106123 if you want to track > I guess my question is can I use up2date and Arjan's repo, and if so, > how can I get around this? Or, do I need to --force on the kernel via > rpm -i? Work around set up2date to use arjanv's repo as a yum repository. Paul From itsme_410 at yahoo.com Tue Oct 21 15:09:40 2003 From: itsme_410 at yahoo.com (Globe Trotter) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 08:09:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: fedora install question Message-ID: <20031021150940.78664.qmail@web40307.mail.yahoo.com> last night, i tried out installing fedora test3. previously i had installed rh9. anyway, while it looks very similar to rh9, i could not find out the option whereby one could select programs one-by-one. is this option not there? as an aside, i have been hoping that we would get the suse-yast2-like setup where one can include (and exclude package sets). sure, rh supplies that but when you exclude a set such as KDE or GNOME, we still get a lot of dependencies which are not removed. unless there is a specific hidden option that would remove this, this would be a very desirable feature to have. thanks! __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From ms-nospam-0306 at arcor.de Tue Oct 21 15:11:13 2003 From: ms-nospam-0306 at arcor.de (Michael Schwendt) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 17:11:13 +0200 Subject: Adding a package to the distro proper (possibly OT) In-Reply-To: <1066738551.8573.24.camel@ahnews.music.salford.ac.uk> References: <20031021120715.17538.qmail@web12003.mail.yahoo.com> <1066738551.8573.24.camel@ahnews.music.salford.ac.uk> Message-ID: <20031021171113.1046e2f7.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, 21 Oct 2003 13:15:52 +0100, PFJ wrote: > Are there any guides to getting a package included with the fedora > distro? I'm one of the developers on the Scribus team and we'd love > Fedora to ship with it. SuSE, Mandark, Slack and IIRC Debian all ship > with it as part of the distro. > > More information is at http://www.scribus.org.uk. I can provide a RH RPM > if required. Fedora.us contains several scribus packages, and two updates are in the package queue (package request bugs #797 and #798). Please join there. - -- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/lUyR0iMVcrivHFQRAoPNAJ4iuxzY/XCpK16tMTUjnpEIqKZjNACeIXNj pSxihIBZqQEUlLv8k3D0pKs= =85lm -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From christoph.wickert at web.de Tue Oct 21 15:13:49 2003 From: christoph.wickert at web.de (Christoph Wickert) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 17:13:49 +0200 Subject: smartd telling me nonsense Message-ID: <1066749228.6207.15.camel@hal9000.lokales.netz> Hi! >From my LogWatch: --------------------- Smartd Begin ------------------------ /dev/hda : 1 Time(s): SMART Usage Attribute: 194 Temperature_Celsius changed from 134 to 130 ---------------------- Smartd End ------------------------- pretty hot! :-) Christoph From akabi at speakeasy.net Tue Oct 21 15:11:32 2003 From: akabi at speakeasy.net (ne...) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 11:11:32 -0400 (EDT) Subject: 2.6.0 alsa howto? In-Reply-To: <200310210739.42471.nbecker@hns.com> References: <200310210739.42471.nbecker@hns.com> Message-ID: On Oct 21, 2003 at 07:39, Neal D. Becker in a soothing rage wrote: >I am trying out 2.6.0test8. Everything is working so far except sound. I >tried modifying /etc/modules.conf, but still no /dev/dsp (sorry, I am not at >that machine now so I can't post the /etc/modules.conf). Can anyone tell me >what steps are needed? The 2.6.x kernels do not use /etc/modules.conf. You need to convert this to /etc/modprobe.conf. FC1t3 may already have this as I have this file on my system. You may need to add your sound stuff to it if /etc/modprobe.conf.dist does not have it. N.Emile... -- Registered Linux User # 125653 (http://counter.li.org) Switch to: http://www.speakeasy.net/refer/190653 overflow error in /dev/null 11:08:18 up 57 days, 22:42, 4 users, load average: 0.15, 0.03, 0.01 From johnsonm at redhat.com Tue Oct 21 15:13:38 2003 From: johnsonm at redhat.com (Michael K. Johnson) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 11:13:38 -0400 Subject: Fedora Issues In-Reply-To: <200310210752.32264.jkeating@j2solutions.net>; from jkeating@j2solutions.net on Tue, Oct 21, 2003 at 07:52:27AM -0700 References: <1066665712.5083.11.camel@trillian.myserenity.net> <200310201047.35524.jkeating@j2solutions.net> <200310210058.38781.hoyt@cavtel.net> <200310210752.32264.jkeating@j2solutions.net> Message-ID: <20031021111338.E32367@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Tue, Oct 21, 2003 at 07:52:27AM -0700, Jesse Keating wrote: > > 2.) why 3.3 was used if it doesn't work and > > Because waiting for the huge kernel to come together is just silly. Moving > forward and putting even more pressure on the kernel folks is a bit better. > No sense in holding back the rest of the class because of one slow student. FYI, the kernel has basically always been sensitive to new gcc versions; very few even minor versions of gcc haven't required some kernel cleanup, and more often than not the problems haven't been obvious. It's real convenient when the problems are "doesn't compile any more" but more often they have been more like "assembly interfacing very subtly with C has its operating assumptions broken" and the results are more often subtle and difficult-to-debug race conditions. Heck, we've seen even kernel *bugfixes* cause problems in the kernel's restricted operating environment! Therefore, when a new compiler version comes out, we'd wait a bit even if it did happen to compile the kernel just fine. I wouldn't call the kernel a "slow student" here -- it's generally the fact that it's trying to do clever things that gets it into trouble here. michaelkjohnson "He that composes himself is wiser than he that composes a book." Linux Application Development -- Ben Franklin http://people.redhat.com/johnsonm/lad/ From mike at netlyncs.com Tue Oct 21 15:33:39 2003 From: mike at netlyncs.com (Mike Chambers) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 10:33:39 -0500 Subject: Up2date + Arjan 2.6 kernel problem In-Reply-To: <20031021150652.GV24349@shitake.truemesh.com> References: <1066745657.24203.7.camel@ixion.colorado.edu> <20031021150652.GV24349@shitake.truemesh.com> Message-ID: <1066750419.2070.1.camel@bart.netlyncs.com> On Tue, 2003-10-21 at 10:06, Paul Nasrat wrote: > Work around set up2date to use arjanv's repo as a yum repository. I have this set in my sources file.. yum Kernel-2.6 http://people.redhat.com/~arjanv/2.5/RPMS.kernel/ up2date detects it and when it goes to download the /headers/headers.info file it just sits there. (using GUI) -- Mike Chambers Madisonville, KY "Can you hear me now?....GOOD!" From johnsonm at redhat.com Tue Oct 21 15:35:58 2003 From: johnsonm at redhat.com (Michael K. Johnson) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 11:35:58 -0400 Subject: Adding a package to the distro proper (possibly OT) In-Reply-To: <1066748754.8564.54.camel@ahnews.music.salford.ac.uk>; from paul@all-the-johnsons.co.uk on Tue, Oct 21, 2003 at 04:05:54PM +0100 References: <20031021120715.17538.qmail@web12003.mail.yahoo.com> <1066738551.8573.24.camel@ahnews.music.salford.ac.uk> <20031021105614.D32367@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1066748754.8564.54.camel@ahnews.music.salford.ac.uk> Message-ID: <20031021113558.F32367@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Tue, Oct 21, 2003 at 04:05:54PM +0100, PFJ wrote: > I have a feeling it's already in there. I've filed a bug report to ask > for its proper inclusion as well. Ah, I see, version 1.0.1 is indeed in fedora.us stable. Thanks. BTW, scribus looks cool. :-) michaelkjohnson "He that composes himself is wiser than he that composes a book." Linux Application Development -- Ben Franklin http://people.redhat.com/johnsonm/lad/ From janina at rednote.net Tue Oct 21 15:37:19 2003 From: janina at rednote.net (Janina Sajka) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 11:37:19 -0400 Subject: Speakup in kernel In-Reply-To: <20031021103637.A32367@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <20031020155537.GI7677@rednote.net> <200310202018.h9KKIwA11721@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <20031020221535.GO15678@rednote.net> <20031021103637.A32367@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20031021153719.GK9683@rednote.net> Michael K. Johnson writes: > From: "Michael K. Johnson" > There were multiple reasons that it was pulled, including security. > Until it is upstream, I'd call its inclusion an unfortunately failed > experiment. :-( You are calling the most successful user interface for blind computer users a failure? That's a rather strange spin. And, as for those multiple issues, where are they documented, please? I don't recall any documentation of security, or any issue other than a single I18N issue. Please don't throw out such imflamatory rhetoric without documentation. It suggests rather ugly things about Red Hat. > > Again, one of the goals of FC is to focus very strongly on moving to > changes being made upstream. > > michaelkjohnson > > "He that composes himself is wiser than he that composes a book." > Linux Application Development -- Ben Franklin > http://people.redhat.com/johnsonm/lad/ > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list -- Janina Sajka Email: janina at rednote.net Phone: (202) 408-8175 Director, Technology Research and Development American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) http://www.afb.org Chair, Accessibility Work Group Free Standards Group http://accessibility.freestandards.org From paul at all-the-johnsons.co.uk Tue Oct 21 15:40:06 2003 From: paul at all-the-johnsons.co.uk (PFJ) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 16:40:06 +0100 Subject: Adding a package to the distro proper (possibly OT) In-Reply-To: <20031021113558.F32367@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <20031021120715.17538.qmail@web12003.mail.yahoo.com> <1066738551.8573.24.camel@ahnews.music.salford.ac.uk> <20031021105614.D32367@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1066748754.8564.54.camel@ahnews.music.salford.ac.uk> <20031021113558.F32367@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1066750806.8570.56.camel@ahnews.music.salford.ac.uk> Hi, > Ah, I see, version 1.0.1 is indeed in fedora.us stable. > > Thanks. > > BTW, scribus looks cool. :-) Try 1.1.2 - it'll blow your mind! TTFN Paul -- Free your mind to a time where a company does not have control Free your mind to a choice of applications which you can control Free your mind from the closed world of those who seek total power Free your mind to the wonderful world of free software From pauln at truemesh.com Tue Oct 21 15:46:31 2003 From: pauln at truemesh.com (Paul Nasrat) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 16:46:31 +0100 Subject: Up2date + Arjan 2.6 kernel problem In-Reply-To: <1066750419.2070.1.camel@bart.netlyncs.com> References: <1066745657.24203.7.camel@ixion.colorado.edu> <20031021150652.GV24349@shitake.truemesh.com> <1066750419.2070.1.camel@bart.netlyncs.com> Message-ID: <20031021154623.GX24349@shitake.truemesh.com> On Tue, Oct 21, 2003 at 10:33:39AM -0500, Mike Chambers wrote: > On Tue, 2003-10-21 at 10:06, Paul Nasrat wrote: > > > Work around set up2date to use arjanv's repo as a yum repository. > > I have this set in my sources file.. > > yum Kernel-2.6 http://people.redhat.com/~arjanv/2.5/RPMS.kernel/ yum kernel-2.6 http://people.redhat.com/~arjanv/2.5/ Is what I have there, just tried yum --get kernel-utils, trying update now. Paul From deji_aking at yahoo.ca Tue Oct 21 15:46:45 2003 From: deji_aking at yahoo.ca (Deji Akingunola) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 11:46:45 -0400 Subject: Alsa and new Kernel 2.4.22 97 ?? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1066751205.3396.3.camel@rhema> On Tue, 2003-10-21 at 06:50, Botoaca Andrei wrote: > Alsa gives some error on compilation, about PDE beeing already declared ... > Any ideeas !? > Yes, It's alsa-0.9.7's problem with kernel-2.4.23, its already been fixed in alsa CVS. > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From ms-nospam-0306 at arcor.de Tue Oct 21 15:47:55 2003 From: ms-nospam-0306 at arcor.de (Michael Schwendt) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 17:47:55 +0200 Subject: smartd telling me nonsense In-Reply-To: <1066749228.6207.15.camel@hal9000.lokales.netz> References: <1066749228.6207.15.camel@hal9000.lokales.netz> Message-ID: <20031021174755.0db36ead.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, 21 Oct 2003 17:13:49 +0200, Christoph Wickert wrote: > >From my LogWatch: > > --------------------- Smartd Begin ------------------------ > > /dev/hda : > 1 Time(s): SMART Usage Attribute: 194 Temperature_Celsius changed > from 134 to 130 > > ---------------------- Smartd End ------------------------- > > pretty hot! :-) What do you get for "smartctl -a /dev/hda | grep Temp"? Could be that it's 130 degrees Fahrenheit, although that would still be very hot. Check the specifications of your drive. - -- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/lVUr0iMVcrivHFQRAhghAJ0RzW0nJMrs9bPztjFlXALlX64SCQCdGaut JLmjdG3/fTZcoTFEcjTaqsA= =fUe9 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From ms-nospam-0306 at arcor.de Tue Oct 21 15:51:33 2003 From: ms-nospam-0306 at arcor.de (Michael Schwendt) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 17:51:33 +0200 Subject: EVERYTHING fails compiling In-Reply-To: <3F953D97.3000906@web.de> References: <3F953D97.3000906@web.de> Message-ID: <20031021175133.2546e3f3.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, 21 Oct 2003 16:07:19 +0200, Christoph Wickert wrote: > I've been updating to the latest rawhide-packages yesterday. > Whenever I try to compile something, no matter if it's just a small > goodie or a huge app, I get > > #make[1]: Entering directory `/home/raoul/develope/blabla' > #make[1]: Nothing to do for target ?all?. > #make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/raoul/develope/blabla' > > Of corse it's not finished and 'make install' also fails, no files are > copied. > > Any ideas? I think I've been updating to a new version of gcc-3.2 yesterday. The quoted output of "make" is not enough, since it doesn't include any error messages. - -- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/lVYF0iMVcrivHFQRArktAJ9s5oyAbqd7r0xTKQyIJ4vuw0f06gCfULAI MNfGloWI5yibLwlqYDSF3Mw= =foXc -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From ms-nospam-0306 at arcor.de Tue Oct 21 15:50:01 2003 From: ms-nospam-0306 at arcor.de (Michael Schwendt) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 17:50:01 +0200 Subject: Dependencies in KDE packages In-Reply-To: <1066748261.6207.9.camel@hal9000.lokales.netz> References: <1066748261.6207.9.camel@hal9000.lokales.netz> Message-ID: <20031021175001.470417a6.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, 21 Oct 2003 16:57:41 +0200, Christoph Wickert wrote: > # rpm -e kdegames > Fehler: Failed dependencies: > libatlantic.so.1 is needed by (installed) kdeaddons-3.1.4-1 > libatlantikui.so.1 is needed by (installed) kdeaddons-3.1.4-1 > libkdegames.so.1 is needed by (installed) kdeaddons-3.1.4-1 > > Why not make smaller packages? Why not provide a meta-package kdegames > that includes the games, so I can select myself, what I want to install? These are library dependencies. A meta package could not fix them. Whether it makes sense that something in "kdeaddons" depends on libraries in "kdegames" is another question. - -- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/lVWp0iMVcrivHFQRAri7AJ4mBbWUzor7tihLCmLuSzRm4hYgFwCfcko0 gRMk7CqOkcdlqIvadiesMSs= =IyOD -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From whb at ceimaine.org Tue Oct 21 15:50:22 2003 From: whb at ceimaine.org (Will Backman) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 11:50:22 -0400 Subject: Up2date + Arjan 2.6 kernel problem In-Reply-To: <1066750419.2070.1.camel@bart.netlyncs.com> References: <1066745657.24203.7.camel@ixion.colorado.edu> <20031021150652.GV24349@shitake.truemesh.com> <1066750419.2070.1.camel@bart.netlyncs.com> Message-ID: <1066751421.2536.28.camel@dbxwsd21> remove the RPMS.kernel, and you should be all set. Up2date should timeout on a 404 not found (launch from command line to see the error), but it does not. Or perhaps I did not wait long enough. On Tue, 2003-10-21 at 11:33, Mike Chambers wrote: > On Tue, 2003-10-21 at 10:06, Paul Nasrat wrote: > > > Work around set up2date to use arjanv's repo as a yum repository. > > I have this set in my sources file.. > > yum Kernel-2.6 http://people.redhat.com/~arjanv/2.5/RPMS.kernel/ > > up2date detects it and when it goes to download the > /headers/headers.info file it just sits there. (using GUI) From bakers at web-ster.com Tue Oct 21 15:52:59 2003 From: bakers at web-ster.com (Scott Baker) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 08:52:59 -0700 Subject: Kernel 2.6.0 and Fedora/mkinitrd Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20031021085143.02e911f8@mail.web-ster.com> I figured out the problem. I did "make modules && make modules install" and then "make bzImage" The proper way to build the kernel is to just do a "make" which must create the dep file that mkinitrd looks for. As soon as I did that the problem went away. >On Mon, 2003-10-20 at 16:20, Scott Baker wrote: > > > At that point I got the error below and attempted to make an initrd file > > and I was getting those errors about a missing dep file. I have > > > mkinitrd-3.5.7-2 > > > installed which should be plenty current. Why is it complaining about a > > missing dep file? > >Just an FYI, but rawhide contains all files needed by kernel-2.6 to >include mkinitrd and such and are up to date, if not newer then what is >on Arjan's site. From mike at netlyncs.com Tue Oct 21 15:55:45 2003 From: mike at netlyncs.com (Mike Chambers) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 10:55:45 -0500 Subject: Up2date + Arjan 2.6 kernel problem In-Reply-To: <20031021154623.GX24349@shitake.truemesh.com> References: <1066745657.24203.7.camel@ixion.colorado.edu> <20031021150652.GV24349@shitake.truemesh.com> <1066750419.2070.1.camel@bart.netlyncs.com> <20031021154623.GX24349@shitake.truemesh.com> Message-ID: <1066751744.2070.3.camel@bart.netlyncs.com> On Tue, 2003-10-21 at 10:46, Paul Nasrat wrote: > yum kernel-2.6 http://people.redhat.com/~arjanv/2.5/ > > Is what I have there, just tried yum --get kernel-utils, trying update > now. Ahh, having RPMS.kernel at the end was the problem. Thanks for the heads up. -- Mike Chambers Madisonville, KY "Can you hear me now?....GOOD!" From janina at rednote.net Tue Oct 21 15:58:47 2003 From: janina at rednote.net (Janina Sajka) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 11:58:47 -0400 Subject: lilo vs grub In-Reply-To: <20031020225226.GB7662@mark.mielke.cc> References: <3F931F56.4050400@bol.com.br> <3F934E72.6080201@insight.rr.com> <20031020033323.GB2165@mark.mielke.cc> <20031020164949.GB12274@rednote.net> <20031020225226.GB7662@mark.mielke.cc> Message-ID: <20031021155847.GN9683@rednote.net> Mark Mielke writes: > From: Mark Mielke > > Your other arguments, I suspect are due to incomplete knowledge of grub, > of which at least some of the blame could be put on the difficult to > read/understand info pages that grub comes with. I'll ignore the insult for the moment. Let me remind you that my four issues have not been resolved by the several people who have written in response to my post yesterday. Every response was inadequate because it failed to address the issue. But, since you seem to need to be spoon fed, here's one issue. Please tell me how I am to know when grub is available to me? Remember, I don't see the screen, and I don't use a braille display (like your dad does). So, how do I know that it's now Grub Time? Please make your answer unambiguous. I don't want to hear about hard drive activity, etc. This was my issue #1 yesterday. No one responded to it. It's a showstopper, in my view. > > Cheers, > mark > > -- > mark at mielke.cc/markm at ncf.ca/markm at nortelnetworks.com __________________________ > . . _ ._ . . .__ . . ._. .__ . . . .__ | Neighbourhood Coder > |\/| |_| |_| |/ |_ |\/| | |_ | |/ |_ | > | | | | | \ | \ |__ . | | .|. |__ |__ | \ |__ | Ottawa, Ontario, Canada > > One ring to rule them all, one ring to find them, one ring to bring them all > and in the darkness bind them... > > http://mark.mielke.cc/ > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list -- Janina Sajka Email: janina at rednote.net Phone: (202) 408-8175 Director, Technology Research and Development American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) http://www.afb.org Chair, Accessibility Work Group Free Standards Group http://accessibility.freestandards.org From jkeating at j2solutions.net Tue Oct 21 16:04:36 2003 From: jkeating at j2solutions.net (Jesse Keating) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 09:04:36 -0700 Subject: Fedora Issues In-Reply-To: <20031021111338.E32367@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <1066665712.5083.11.camel@trillian.myserenity.net> <200310210752.32264.jkeating@j2solutions.net> <20031021111338.E32367@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <200310210904.44553.jkeating@j2solutions.net> On Tuesday 21 October 2003 08:13, Michael K. Johnson wrote: > Therefore, when a new compiler version comes out, we'd wait a bit > even if it did happen to compile the kernel just fine. > > I wouldn't call the kernel a "slow student" here -- it's generally > the fact that it's trying to do clever things that gets it into > trouble here. Right, i wasn't trying to say anything bad about the kernel. Please don't think that. I know how sensitive the kernel can be to gcc changes. Not everybody is though (; -- Jesse Keating RHCE MCSE (geek.j2solutions.net) Fedora Legacy Team (www.fedora.us/wiki/FedoraLegacy) Mondo DevTeam (www.mondorescue.org) GPG Public Key (geek.j2solutions.net/jkeating.j2solutions.pub) Was I helpful? Let others know: http://svcs.affero.net/rm.php?r=jkeating -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The key thing here is that syslinux is quite handy for bootable isos, floppies, PXE boots, etc.. things that neither lilo nor grub do very well. Here is what I propose: Grub and Syslinux remain in Core. They will cover the mass majority of the userbase, with minimal duplication. Lilo shall be relegated to Alternatives or Extras. Lilo seems to have a smaller need base, but still needs to be available. This should satisfy the majority of the people on this list right? /me prepares napalm umbrella.. -- Jesse Keating RHCE MCSE (geek.j2solutions.net) Fedora Legacy Team (www.fedora.us/wiki/FedoraLegacy) Mondo DevTeam (www.mondorescue.org) GPG Public Key (geek.j2solutions.net/jkeating.j2solutions.pub) Was I helpful? Let others know: http://svcs.affero.net/rm.php?r=jkeating -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: signature URL: From tvinhas at techbyte.com.br Tue Oct 21 16:24:23 2003 From: tvinhas at techbyte.com.br (Thiago Vinhas de Moraes) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 14:24:23 -0200 Subject: rhn_register problem Message-ID: <1066753462.8640.2.camel@techbyte.com.br> I'm trying to register to the RHN, and got the following error: [root at techbyte root]# rhn_register --nox Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/sbin/rhn_register", line 1183, in ? sys.exit(main() or 0) File "/usr/sbin/rhn_register", line 705, in main tui.main() File "tui.py", line 1097, in main File "tui.py", line 1041, in run File "tui.py", line 613, in __init__ File "hardware.py", line 511, in Hardware File "hardware.py", line 339, in read_network File "hardware.py", line 319, in findHostByRoute socket.herror: (1, 'Host desconhecido') I'm using up2date version 4.1.7-1 From farrisg at mala.bc.ca Tue Oct 21 16:29:32 2003 From: farrisg at mala.bc.ca (George Farris) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 09:29:32 -0700 Subject: lilo vs grub In-Reply-To: <20031021045653.GA9180@mark.mielke.cc> References: <20031021010301.2326.56861.Mailman@listman.back-rdu.redhat.com> <3F94A5FC.6050508@ispaceonline.org> <20031021045653.GA9180@mark.mielke.cc> Message-ID: <1066753772.14371.18.camel@falcon.cc.mala.bc.ca> Both these boot loaders are poor. What they should really do is scan the available boot blocks and allow one to boot from one of those choices. As it stands if one installs grub in a system with two drives and then you pull the drive without grub, you end up at a grub prompt. Both grub and lilo should **always** fall back to a safe condition. On Mon, 2003-10-20 at 21:56, Mark Mielke wrote: > On Mon, Oct 20, 2003 at 11:20:28PM -0400, Mark Hoover wrote: > > But how can we claim to be in favor of software choice when at the basic > > level of the bootloader we can't even let there be a choice for those > > who don't want to use one or the other. > > Your argument would have substance, if, for example, lilo was a competitive > alternative that was actively maintained (KDE vs GNOME for example). > > I think the competitive alternative is a card case to prove, and the > actively maintained is impossible to prove. > > Feel free to correct me... Perhaps you will take ownership of lilo, and > ensure that it is actively maintained? Remember, the open source community > isn't just about users. It is quite significantly about contributors. > Without contributors, the users have nobody to blame about a product becoming > obsolete. > > mark -- George Farris farrisg at mala.bc.ca Malaspina University-College - Cowichan Campus From bcs at metacon.ca Tue Oct 21 16:35:22 2003 From: bcs at metacon.ca (Ben Steeves) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 13:35:22 -0300 Subject: smartd telling me nonsense In-Reply-To: <20031021174755.0db36ead.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de> References: <1066749228.6207.15.camel@hal9000.lokales.netz> <20031021174755.0db36ead.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de> Message-ID: <1066754122.2714.61.camel@zephyr> On Tue, 2003-10-21 at 12:47, Michael Schwendt wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Tue, 21 Oct 2003 17:13:49 +0200, Christoph Wickert wrote: > > > >From my LogWatch: > > > > --------------------- Smartd Begin ------------------------ > > > > /dev/hda : > > 1 Time(s): SMART Usage Attribute: 194 Temperature_Celsius changed > > from 134 to 130 > > > > ---------------------- Smartd End ------------------------- > > > > pretty hot! :-) > > What do you get for "smartctl -a /dev/hda | grep Temp"? > > Could be that it's 130 degrees Fahrenheit, although that would still > be very hot. Check the specifications of your drive. This one confused me too. It's not a temperature at all, its a range indicator running between 0 and 255 with 100 representing the average expected, numbers below 100 representing below average values and numbers above representing above average values... so for example one of my drives reads: 194 Temperature_Celsius 0x0022 118 112 000 Old_age - 40 --that number at the end is the actual temperature in celsius (40) -- which is way hotter than it should be, hence the 194 for the operational value (way above average). All this and more can be derived from the smartd and smartctl man pages. Also, be aware that FC comes with a pre-existing smartd conf file that won't match your real system, and will place spurious errors about not being able to read certain devices in your logfiles. -- Ben Steeves _ bcs at metacon.ca The ASCII ribbon campaign ( ) ben.steeves at unb.ca against HTML e-mail X GPG ID: 0xB3EBF1D9 http://www.metacon.ca/ascii / \ Yahoo Messenger: ben_steeves From link at pobox.com Tue Oct 21 16:45:31 2003 From: link at pobox.com (Terje Bless) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 18:45:31 +0200 Subject: Fedora Core test3 on Latitude D800 [report] In-Reply-To: <20031021103754.B32367@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Michael K. Johnson wrote: >tg3 driver should drive bcm5700-class hardware. Please file a bug if >the tg3 driver doesn't work. The Dell Latitude D800 notebook uses the Broadcom BCM5705M 10/100/1000Mbps Ethernet controller (low-power BCM5705). The current tg3 in FC1t3 doesn't have the PCI ID for the chip in question, and IIRC it needs updated code to fully support this chip. You either need the bcm5700 driver from ? or to get the latest version ? or you need the tg3 driver from linux 2.6.0-test4[0]. [0] - * First Checkin of 5705 support by ?davem? in revision ?1.83?. * Last touched bcm5705 bugfix by ?davem? in revision ?1.98?. - -- > I suggest you attend some sort of anger management class.... That's where you learn to upset the PHBs? -- Peter da Silva -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP SDK 3.0.2 iQA/AwUBP5ViqqPyPrIkdfXsEQKIBwCcDFfxCdXcKYpnUy+cgqZhVAzH468AniLS DCDiVQ8BwMZPe9MMHrUib/pJ =MT69 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From nbecker at hns.com Tue Oct 21 16:58:30 2003 From: nbecker at hns.com (Neal D. Becker) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 12:58:30 -0400 Subject: 2.6.0 alsa howto? In-Reply-To: References: <200310210739.42471.nbecker@hns.com> Message-ID: <200310211258.30909.nbecker@hns.com> On Tuesday 21 October 2003 11:11 am, ne... wrote: > On Oct 21, 2003 at 07:39, Neal D. Becker in a soothing rage wrote: > >I am trying out 2.6.0test8. Everything is working so far except sound. I > >tried modifying /etc/modules.conf, but still no /dev/dsp (sorry, I am not > > at that machine now so I can't post the /etc/modules.conf). Can anyone > > tell me what steps are needed? > > The 2.6.x kernels do not use /etc/modules.conf. You need to convert > this to /etc/modprobe.conf. FC1t3 may already have this as I have > this file on my system. You may need to add your sound stuff to it > if /etc/modprobe.conf.dist does not have it. > Ahh, that explains a lot! Thanks! Was the modprobe man page updated to reflect this change? Maybe I just didn't notice. From czar at czarc.net Tue Oct 21 17:12:58 2003 From: czar at czarc.net (Gene C.) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 13:12:58 -0400 Subject: unexpected message Message-ID: <200310211312.58278.czar@czarc.net> OK, I am building and installing some rpms. One of these involves libraries and runs /sbin/ldconfig as part of postinstall. I got the unexpected message: /sbin/ldconfig: File /usr/lib/libmetacity-private.so.0.0.0.#prelink#.654XUn is too small, not checked. Is this an error which I should bugzilla, just ignore it, or what? -- Gene From elwoo at videotron.ca Tue Oct 21 13:22:40 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 09:22:40 -0400 Subject: gthumb caused repeated crashes with nautilus Message-ID: <200310210922.40091.elwoo@videotron.ca> Has anyone else noticed this? If so, has this been sent to bugzilla? I open a folder with some jpg images and maximize the folder. View about 4 or 5 images with the internal viewer, and then switch directories. Nautilus crashes with a seg fault. Then comes back up. Repeatable and consistent. versions: nautilus-2.4.0-5 gthumb-2.0.2-1 XFree86-4.3.0-40 This is on an Athlon with the nVidia drivers installed. Display is 1024 x 768 x 24-bit. Elton -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From brugolsky at telemetry-investments.com Tue Oct 21 17:23:10 2003 From: brugolsky at telemetry-investments.com (Bill Rugolsky Jr.) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 13:23:10 -0400 Subject: Boot Loader Proposal In-Reply-To: <200310210911.44483.jkeating@j2solutions.net> References: <200310210911.44483.jkeating@j2solutions.net> Message-ID: <20031021172310.GB23677@ti19.telemetry-investments.com> On Tue, Oct 21, 2003 at 09:11:44AM -0700, Jesse Keating wrote: > Ok, here is how I feel about this long, tiresome argument. There are > many people that like grub, and for the majority of the userbase, grub > does what it needs to do. Sure there could be some improvement, but > from what I'm told by the people who work on grub, it's somewhat > trivial, and possibly the community could do it. That sounds a bit optimistic; I'll believe it when I see Grub grab my kernel off of a Device-Mapper /boot logical volume over a whole-disk MD RAID5, without legacy DOS partitions (or EFI garbage). I basically agree with your proposed solution of putting LILO outside Fedora Core, but indulge me for a minute while I ruminate on Grub's shortcomings. Look a year or two into the future: The problem that I have with the "Grub model" is that it expects that Grub be able to interpret volume and filesystem meta-data. There is always a fallback to LILO-like behavior, but here I'm talking about the *model*. As the performance problems with volume management (i.e., io request splitting/merging/scheduling, etc.) are solved, and present a thinner layer between userspace and storage, we should want most users to benefit from it. Users also want to boot from a variety of devices: USB keychains, etc. But using the Grub model, that means adding code to the Grub loader for device discovery and walking metadata for MD, LVM2, EVMS, Reiser4, etc. This begs the question: if Grub has to load a ton of code just to find the kernel, why not go back to something trivial and static, updated when the kernel or config is modified, and just get on with booting the kernel? There is much to be said for the LinuxBIOS approach (which I've played with a bit): do the minimal hardware setup, get the kernel into RAM, and let the kernel do the rest. Rather than having a complicated bootloader with a command line and all that, I'd much rather have the system boot into a "failsafe" Linux initramfs, perhaps even using the polling version of drivers that are being worked on for crash dumps, and use kexec() to (re)launch the desired kernel with the desired configuration. Speed is generally not an issue; on a LinuxBIOS box, it generally takes far longer to retrieve the kernel from a slow boot device than it takes the kernel to run "init". Move more slow device probing out into userland and it will be even faster. Regards, Bill Rugolsky From elwoo at videotron.ca Tue Oct 21 13:24:35 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 09:24:35 -0400 Subject: unexpected message In-Reply-To: <200310211312.58278.czar@czarc.net> References: <200310211312.58278.czar@czarc.net> Message-ID: <200310210924.35846.elwoo@videotron.ca> On October 21, 2003 01:12 pm, Gene C. , <"Gene C." > wrote: > OK, I am building and installing some rpms. One of these involves > libraries and runs /sbin/ldconfig as part of postinstall. I got the > unexpected message: > > /sbin/ldconfig: File /usr/lib/libmetacity-private.so.0.0.0.#prelink#.654XUn > is too small, not checked. > > Is this an error which I should bugzilla, just ignore it, or what? Just ignore it. Prelink thinks that it is too small to "recompress"... so "prelinking" it won't make it run any faster... (cheap, simplistic explanation) Elton ;-) -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From mharris at redhat.com Tue Oct 21 17:28:05 2003 From: mharris at redhat.com (Mike A. Harris) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 13:28:05 -0400 (EDT) Subject: gthumb caused repeated crashes with nautilus In-Reply-To: <200310210922.40091.elwoo@videotron.ca> References: <200310210922.40091.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: On Tue, 21 Oct 2003, Elton Woo wrote: >Has anyone else noticed this? >If so, has this been sent to bugzilla? > >I open a folder with some jpg images and maximize the folder. >View about 4 or 5 images with the internal viewer, and then >switch directories. >Nautilus crashes with a seg fault. Then comes back up. >Repeatable and consistent. > >versions: >nautilus-2.4.0-5 >gthumb-2.0.2-1 >XFree86-4.3.0-40 > >This is on an Athlon with the nVidia drivers installed. >Display is 1024 x 768 x 24-bit. If nautilus itself is crashing, then it would be a nautilus bug or a bug in one of the libraries, etc. that nautilus uses most likely. The XFree86 X server, and your video driver (although unsupported of course) should be totally unrelated to the problem IMHO. You could confirm that by switching drivers if you like, but I doubt the problem will change. Hope this helps. -- Mike A. Harris ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris OS Systems Engineer - XFree86 maintainer - Red Hat From ed at redhat.com Tue Oct 21 17:29:51 2003 From: ed at redhat.com (Edward C. Bailey) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 13:29:51 -0400 Subject: Software Raid and Grub Howto In-Reply-To: <20031021141917.GA23326@outblaze.com> (Yusuf Goolamabbas's message of "Tue, 21 Oct 2003 22:19:17 +0800") References: <20031021141917.GA23326@outblaze.com> Message-ID: >>>>> "Yusuf" == Yusuf Goolamabbas writes: Yusuf> This might be of use to people who want to run Grub on top of a Yusuf> software raid system Yusuf> http://lists.us.dell.com/pipermail/linux-poweredge/2003-July/014331.html Yusuf> Maybe this can be cleaned up and packaged as part of the release Yusuf> notes for Fedora That's too massively huge for the release notes. However, I could add an entry to the release notes that does exactly what you did (ie, pointing to that email). How would that be? All that said, what *really* needs to happen would be for someone to volunteer to turn this knowledge into a "Grub and Software RAID" article for the Fedora Docs project (hint, hint)... :-) Ed -- Ed Bailey Red Hat, Inc. http://www.redhat.com/ From notting at redhat.com Tue Oct 21 17:37:52 2003 From: notting at redhat.com (Bill Nottingham) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 13:37:52 -0400 Subject: PROFTPD In-Reply-To: <20031021051124.GB18150@prince.homelinux.org>; from lorenzo@prince.homelinux.org on Tue, Oct 21, 2003 at 01:11:24AM -0400 References: <20031021051124.GB18150@prince.homelinux.org> Message-ID: <20031021133752.B4312@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Lorenzo Prince (lorenzo at prince.homelinux.org) said: > I have seen somewnere, it may actually have been on FreshRPMS, a good up-to-date RPM > of PROFTPD for RH9. Is there any move to try to get this great ftpd into Fedora Core, No. We prefer the security history of vsftpd. :) > or at least into an alternative repo built for Fedora as an alternative to the > included VSFTPD? It's certainly a candidate for Fedora Extras. Bill From notting at redhat.com Tue Oct 21 17:38:14 2003 From: notting at redhat.com (Bill Nottingham) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 13:38:14 -0400 Subject: RHGB not .. GBing... In-Reply-To: <20031021071048.GF10427@ip68-4-255-84.oc.oc.cox.net>; from barryn@pobox.com on Tue, Oct 21, 2003 at 12:10:48AM -0700 References: <1066647761.3f93c0d1de2a5@aoi.atari-source.com> <3F942A52.1070408@atl.lmco.com> <1066718632.3539.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20031021071048.GF10427@ip68-4-255-84.oc.oc.cox.net> Message-ID: <20031021133814.C4312@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Barry K. Nathan (barryn at pobox.com) said: > On Tue, Oct 21, 2003 at 08:43:52AM +0200, Alexander Larsson wrote: > > It is on by default. Anaconda will put the "rhgb" option there now. But > > this way its easier to disable (no need to figure out to add "nogui"). > > On a related note, is it possible for us to test new Anaconda builds > somehow (before the FC 1 release)? If so, how? We're working on that. Bill From johnsonm at redhat.com Tue Oct 21 17:39:01 2003 From: johnsonm at redhat.com (Michael K. Johnson) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 13:39:01 -0400 Subject: Speakup in kernel In-Reply-To: <20031021153719.GK9683@rednote.net>; from janina@rednote.net on Tue, Oct 21, 2003 at 11:37:19AM -0400 References: <20031020155537.GI7677@rednote.net> <200310202018.h9KKIwA11721@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <20031020221535.GO15678@rednote.net> <20031021103637.A32367@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <20031021153719.GK9683@rednote.net> Message-ID: <20031021133901.A6152@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Tue, Oct 21, 2003 at 11:37:19AM -0400, Janina Sajka wrote: > Michael K. Johnson writes: > > From: "Michael K. Johnson" > > There were multiple reasons that it was pulled, including security. > > Until it is upstream, I'd call its inclusion an unfortunately failed > > experiment. :-( > > You are calling the most successful user interface for blind computer > users a failure? That's a rather strange spin. No. I'm calling the *inclusion* failed. We put in something that was not upstream, and found out later that we should have stuck to our normal policy (even then) of pushing upstream first. > And, as for those multiple issues, where are they documented, please? I > don't recall any documentation of security, or any issue other than a > single I18N issue. It was discussed with the author. Not all security issues are subject to instant full disclosure. michaelkjohnson "He that composes himself is wiser than he that composes a book." Linux Application Development -- Ben Franklin http://people.redhat.com/johnsonm/lad/ From kaboom at gatech.edu Tue Oct 21 17:40:47 2003 From: kaboom at gatech.edu (Chris Ricker) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 13:40:47 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Software Raid and Grub Howto In-Reply-To: References: <20031021141917.GA23326@outblaze.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 21 Oct 2003, Edward C. Bailey wrote: > That's too massively huge for the release notes. However, I could add an > entry to the release notes that does exactly what you did (ie, pointing to > that email). How would that be? Just point them to the relevant bugzilla entry against grub (55484) -- it's more concise ;-). Halfway down there's a manual install procedure which is what I've always had to do, post-install, to get grub working w/ RAID later, chris From dsavage at peaknet.net Tue Oct 21 17:42:55 2003 From: dsavage at peaknet.net (dsavage at peaknet.net) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 12:42:55 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Boot Loader Proposal In-Reply-To: <200310210911.44483.jkeating@j2solutions.net> References: <200310210911.44483.jkeating@j2solutions.net> Message-ID: <15191.140.175.214.36.1066758175.squirrel@www.peaknet.net> On Tuesday October 21, 2003 Jesse Keating wrote: >[snip] > Here is what I propose: > > Grub and Syslinux remain in Core. They will cover the mass majority of > the userbase, with minimal duplication. Lilo shall be relegated to > Alternatives or Extras. Lilo seems to have a smaller need base, but > still needs to be available. This should satisfy the majority of the > people on this list right? Jesse, I don't disagree. But I wonder if we aren't discussing soon-to-be-obsolete packages. With 64-bit machines now on the market and rumors of next generation BIOSes with OS-like capabilities in their own right, we could be better off sitting back and waiting to see what new stuff comes down the road in the next year or two. --Doc Savage Fairview Heights, IL From barryn at pobox.com Tue Oct 21 17:47:08 2003 From: barryn at pobox.com (Barry K. Nathan) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 10:47:08 -0700 Subject: smartd telling me nonsense In-Reply-To: <1066754122.2714.61.camel@zephyr> References: <1066749228.6207.15.camel@hal9000.lokales.netz> <20031021174755.0db36ead.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de> <1066754122.2714.61.camel@zephyr> Message-ID: <20031021174708.GG10427@ip68-4-255-84.oc.oc.cox.net> On Tue, Oct 21, 2003 at 01:35:22PM -0300, Ben Steeves wrote: > This one confused me too. It's not a temperature at all, its a range > indicator running between 0 and 255 with 100 representing the average > expected, numbers below 100 representing below average values and > numbers above representing above average values... so for example one of > my drives reads: > > 194 Temperature_Celsius 0x0022 118 112 000 Old_age > - 40 > > --that number at the end is the actual temperature in celsius (40) -- > which is way hotter than it should be, hence the 194 for the operational > value (way above average). Um, no, 194 is the attribute value (it's not an average). 118 is the current attribute value. 112 is the worst (hottest) it's been. (lower = hotter; in general, lower attribute values are closer to drive death) -Barry K. Nathan From elwoo at videotron.ca Tue Oct 21 13:48:36 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 09:48:36 -0400 Subject: gthumb caused repeated crashes with nautilus In-Reply-To: References: <200310210922.40091.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <200310210948.36329.elwoo@videotron.ca> On October 21, 2003 01:28 pm, Mike A. Harris , <"Mike A. Harris" > wrote: > On Tue, 21 Oct 2003, Elton Woo wrote: > >Has anyone else noticed this? > >If so, has this been sent to bugzilla? > > > >I open a folder with some jpg images and maximize the folder. Even a "non maximized folder ... > >View about 4 or 5 images with the internal viewer, and then ... or just 1 or 2 images > >switch directories. > >Nautilus crashes with a seg fault. Then comes back up. > >Repeatable and consistent. > > If nautilus itself is crashing, then it would be a nautilus bug > or a bug in one of the libraries, etc. that nautilus uses most > likely. > > The XFree86 X server, and your video driver (although unsupported > of course) should be totally unrelated to the problem IMHO. You > could confirm that by switching drivers if you like, but I doubt > the problem will change. Mike this is what Bug Buddy reports: ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Backtrace was generated from '/usr/bin/nautilus' (no debugging symbols found)...Using host libthread_db library "/lib/tls/libthread_db.so.1". (no debugging symbols found)... (no debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)... (no debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)... (no debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)... (no debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)... 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(no debugging symbols found)...0x00432c32 in _dl_sysinfo_int80 () from /lib/ld-linux.so.2 #0 0x00432c32 in _dl_sysinfo_int80 () from /lib/ld-linux.so.2 #1 0x006dd98b in __waitpid_nocancel () from /lib/tls/libpthread.so.0 #2 0x001c27f4 in libgnomeui_module_info_get () from /usr/lib/libgnomeui-2.so.0 #3 #4 0x00152fe3 in gdk_window_set_cursor () from /usr/lib/libgdk-x11-2.0.so.0 #5 0x064613d8 in nautilus_icon_canvas_item_update_bounds () from /usr/lib/libnautilus-private.so.2 #6 0x002d4112 in eel_marshal_BOOLEAN__BOXED () from /usr/lib/libeel-2.so.2 #7 0x00b99007 in g_cclosure_new_swap () from /usr/lib/libgobject-2.0.so.0 #8 0x00b98cb0 in g_closure_invoke () from /usr/lib/libgobject-2.0.so.0 #9 0x00baa67c in g_signal_emit_by_name () from /usr/lib/libgobject-2.0.so.0 #10 0x00ba9a0 ------------------------------------------------------------- Should I file in bugzilla? ... and under which component gthumb, or nautilus? I notice that several libraries are involved (eel, gdk, etc... Elton -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From rpjday at mindspring.com Tue Oct 21 17:44:13 2003 From: rpjday at mindspring.com (Robert P. J. Day) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 13:44:13 -0400 (EDT) Subject: 2.6.0 alsa howto? In-Reply-To: <200310211258.30909.nbecker@hns.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 21 Oct 2003, Neal D. Becker wrote: > On Tuesday 21 October 2003 11:11 am, ne... wrote: > > On Oct 21, 2003 at 07:39, Neal D. Becker in a soothing rage wrote: > > >I am trying out 2.6.0test8. Everything is working so far except sound. I > > >tried modifying /etc/modules.conf, but still no /dev/dsp (sorry, I am not > > > at that machine now so I can't post the /etc/modules.conf). Can anyone > > > tell me what steps are needed? > > > > The 2.6.x kernels do not use /etc/modules.conf. You need to convert > > this to /etc/modprobe.conf. FC1t3 may already have this as I have > > this file on my system. You may need to add your sound stuff to it > > if /etc/modprobe.conf.dist does not have it. > > > > Ahh, that explains a lot! Thanks! Was the modprobe man page updated to > reflect this change? Maybe I just didn't notice. i'm still waiting on a good HOWTO on the format of the /etc/modprobe.conf file. rday From ba at linuxin.dk Tue Oct 21 18:10:39 2003 From: ba at linuxin.dk (Bjorn Andersen) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 20:10:39 +0200 Subject: Games doesent work in Fedora test 3 Message-ID: <3F95769F.3080502@linuxin.dk> Hi I just tryed to install som games in Fedora Test 3. The games was: Enemy Teritory Unreal Tournament Americas Army 1.9 Unreal Tournament 2003 My hardware is: Intell P4 2.4 HT Nvidia FX 5600, and i have OpenGL working (I did export "CC=gcc32" ) The only game that cold start, was the old Unreal Tournament :-( All other exited without to show any graphics. Has anyone submittet at bug report in bugzilla for this? Best Regards Bjorn Andersen -- Linux Because making UNIX user friendly is easier then debugging Windows From mark at mark.mielke.cc Tue Oct 21 18:12:16 2003 From: mark at mark.mielke.cc (Mark Mielke) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 14:12:16 -0400 Subject: lilo vs grub In-Reply-To: <20031021155847.GN9683@rednote.net> References: <3F931F56.4050400@bol.com.br> <3F934E72.6080201@insight.rr.com> <20031020033323.GB2165@mark.mielke.cc> <20031020164949.GB12274@rednote.net> <20031020225226.GB7662@mark.mielke.cc> <20031021155847.GN9683@rednote.net> Message-ID: <20031021181216.GB13174@mark.mielke.cc> On Tue, Oct 21, 2003 at 11:58:47AM -0400, Janina Sajka wrote: > Mark Mielke writes: > > Your other arguments, I suspect are due to incomplete knowledge of grub, > > of which at least some of the blame could be put on the difficult to > > read/understand info pages that grub comes with. > I'll ignore the insult for the moment. Obviously, you didn't, as below, you add your own insults. If you want to make this personal, don't pretend you haven't. > Let me remind you that my four issues have not been resolved by the > several people who have written in response to my post yesterday. Every > response was inadequate because it failed to address the issue. "Adequate" by *whose* criteria? Yours? The people who would whine for several posts about having to enter a command twice? The people who want a click-click solution? The only concern I've seen that is valid, is the claim that lilo works on hardware that grub doesn't, which would indeed be a strong issue. > But, since you seem to need to be spoon fed, here's one issue. > Please tell me how I am to know when grub is available to me? Remember, > I don't see the screen, and I don't use a braille display (like your dad > does). So, how do I know that it's now Grub Time? > Please make your answer unambiguous. I don't want to hear about hard > drive activity, etc. > This was my issue #1 yesterday. No one responded to it. > It's a showstopper, in my view. In my view, you should stop whining about something like a beep, and submit a patch to grub that adds the beep. We're talking about a one-line patch, in all likelihood. Re-build grub with this patch, and quite easily, you have the functionality that you desire. Open source gives you this freedom. Your choice is not "LILO vs GRUB". Your choice also includes making sure that *EVERYBODY* has the *BEST* alternative available to them, which may include ensuring that either LILO or GRUB provides *ALL* of the features that the other does, allowing for *SHARED* development, rather than religiously segregated development. I happen to believe that GRUB has significantly more potential as a generic boot loader than LILO does. This being the case, I strongly encourage GRUB to be fixed. Then again - I'm not timid about getting my fingers dirtying by wandering around in the source code... mark -- mark at mielke.cc/markm at ncf.ca/markm at nortelnetworks.com __________________________ . . _ ._ . . .__ . . ._. .__ . . . .__ | Neighbourhood Coder |\/| |_| |_| |/ |_ |\/| | |_ | |/ |_ | | | | | | \ | \ |__ . | | .|. |__ |__ | \ |__ | Ottawa, Ontario, Canada One ring to rule them all, one ring to find them, one ring to bring them all and in the darkness bind them... http://mark.mielke.cc/ From kevin at UCSD.Edu Tue Oct 21 18:09:13 2003 From: kevin at UCSD.Edu (Kevin Bowen) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 11:09:13 -0700 Subject: totem/xine-libs problem In-Reply-To: <200310210025.31096.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: > ... I wonder, by any chance did you install these using --nodeps? Nope, apt-getting everything, all dependencies being satisfied automatically. Incidentally, since last posting, I've now tried rebuilding the SRPMS for totem and xine-libs, and still get the same thing. -----Original Message----- From: fedora-test-list-admin at redhat.com [mailto:fedora-test-list-admin at redhat.com]On Behalf Of Elton Woo Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 9:26 PM To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com Subject: Re: totem/xine-libs problem On October 20, 2003 03:12 pm, Kevin Bowen , > wrote: > I tried installing totem and xine-libs on my fedora .95 system, from both > the rpm.livna.org and freshrpms repositories, and in both cases, on running > totem, it quits with: "totem: relocation error: totem: undefined symbol: > xine_engine_set_param" > > gxine says the same thing ("gxine" substitued for "totem" of course). Any > ideas why this might be, or how I could fix it? Anyone know of any other > packages of totem/xine-libs that are known to work on fedora? ... I wonder, by any chance did you install these using --nodeps? Here's what I get as the *minimal* requirements for installing totem, xine, and or gxine: from http://shrike.freshrpms.net/. YES, the packages for shrike (RH 9) work with Fedora Core! These are REQUIRED: aalib-1.4rc5-fr2.i386.rpm alsa-lib-0.9.7-1.fr.i386.rpm flac-1.1.0-fr3.i386.rpm # NOTE: glut is not in FC, so you need to get it from RH 9 glut-3.7-12.i386.rpm libfame-0.9.0-fr2.i386.rpm lirc-0.6.6-fr1.i386.rpm speex-1.0.2-1.fr.i386.rpm xine-lib-1.0.0-0.1.rc0a.fr.i386.rpm xvidcore-0.9.2-1.fr.i386.rpm OPTIONAL libraries are: libdvdcss-1.2.8-1.fr.i386.rpm libdvdread-0.9.4-fr3.i386.rpm libdvdnav-0.1.9-1.fr.i386.rpm libdvdplay-1.0.1-fr2.i386.rpm HTH, Elton ;-) -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. -- fedora-test-list mailing list fedora-test-list at redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From steve at rueb.com Tue Oct 21 18:17:53 2003 From: steve at rueb.com (Steve Bergman) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 13:17:53 -0500 Subject: Games doesent work in Fedora test 3 In-Reply-To: <3F95769F.3080502@linuxin.dk> References: <3F95769F.3080502@linuxin.dk> Message-ID: <1066760272.4491.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2003-10-21 at 13:10, Bjorn Andersen wrote: > Hi > I just tryed to install som games in Fedora Test 3. > The games was: > > Enemy Teritory > Unreal Tournament > Americas Army 1.9 > Unreal Tournament 2003 > > My hardware is: > Intell P4 2.4 HT > Nvidia FX 5600, and i have OpenGL working (I did export "CC=gcc32" ) > > The only game that cold start, was the old Unreal Tournament :-( > All other exited without to show any graphics. > > Has anyone submittet at bug report in bugzilla for this? > > Best Regards > Bjorn Andersen EXPORT LD_ASSUME_KERNEL=2.2.5 perhaps? From fedora at warmcat.com Tue Oct 21 15:35:28 2003 From: fedora at warmcat.com (Andy Green) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 16:35:28 +0100 Subject: smartd telling me nonsense In-Reply-To: <1066749228.6207.15.camel@hal9000.lokales.netz> References: <1066749228.6207.15.camel@hal9000.lokales.netz> Message-ID: <200310211635.28216.fedora@warmcat.com> On Tuesday 21 October 2003 16:13, Christoph Wickert wrote: > 1 Time(s): SMART Usage Attribute: 194 Temperature_Celsius changed > from 134 to 130 > pretty hot! :-) At least its cooling down :-) Sounds like its reporting in Fahrenheit and not Celcius. This reminds me my logwatch has a ton of nonexistant device scanning from smartd (Inspiron 5150) /dev/hda : (<------dvd drive) 1 Time(s): appears to lack SMART, use '-T permissive' Directive to try anyway. 1 Time(s): not found in smartd database. 1 Time(s): opened /dev/hdb : 1 Time(s): opened (<-- non existant) 1 Time(s): unable to read Device Identity Structure /dev/hdc : (<--------- hdd) 1 Time(s): is SMART capable. Adding to "monitor" list. 1 Time(s): not found in smartd database. 1 Time(s): opened /dev/hdd : 1 Time(s): opened (<---- non existant) 1 Time(s): unable to read Device Identity Structure /dev/hde : 1 Time(s): No such device or address, open() failed /dev/hdf : 1 Time(s): No such device or address, open() failed /dev/hdg : 1 Time(s): No such device or address, open() failed ..... /dev/sdz : 1 Time(s): No such device or address, open() failed From mark at mark.mielke.cc Tue Oct 21 18:21:44 2003 From: mark at mark.mielke.cc (Mark Mielke) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 14:21:44 -0400 Subject: grub with an audible interface (was: Re: lilo vs grub) In-Reply-To: <20031021181216.GB13174@mark.mielke.cc> References: <3F931F56.4050400@bol.com.br> <3F934E72.6080201@insight.rr.com> <20031020033323.GB2165@mark.mielke.cc> <20031020164949.GB12274@rednote.net> <20031020225226.GB7662@mark.mielke.cc> <20031021155847.GN9683@rednote.net> <20031021181216.GB13174@mark.mielke.cc> Message-ID: <20031021182144.GC13174@mark.mielke.cc> On Tue, Oct 21, 2003 at 02:12:16PM -0400, Mark Mielke wrote: > On Tue, Oct 21, 2003 at 11:58:47AM -0400, Janina Sajka wrote: > > This was my issue #1 yesterday. No one responded to it. > > It's a showstopper, in my view. > In my view, you should stop whining about something like a beep, and submit > a patch to grub that adds the beep. We're talking about a one-line patch, > in all likelihood. Re-build grub with this patch, and quite easily, you have > the functionality that you desire. Open source gives you this freedom. In function stage2/stage2.c, it looks like you can add one line to make whatever sound you want in the static function named 'run_menu'. You could even make it give you audible responses such as a different pitch, or a different number of beeps depending on which menu item you are on. If you aren't competent enough to make the patch yourself, you can be a little nicer to me, and describe the exact behaviour you think would be most valuable. I'll consult my father for further input, and I'll attempt to implement and have the patch applied to CVS. I'm trying to take a practical approach here. Please respect this. I have no patience for temporary work-arounds such as 'blind people can't use grub until it is good enough'. If blind people don't become involved, grub will *never* be good enough, simply because the requirements are left unrecognized. If my father had given up on computers 25 years ago, just because at the time the interfaces were imperfect, he wouldn't be as accomplished is he is today, nor would I have learned my skills from him. It is too easy to give up. It is harder, but more effective, to push forwards, and do. Cheers, mark -- mark at mielke.cc/markm at ncf.ca/markm at nortelnetworks.com __________________________ . . _ ._ . . .__ . . ._. .__ . . . .__ | Neighbourhood Coder |\/| |_| |_| |/ |_ |\/| | |_ | |/ |_ | | | | | | \ | \ |__ . | | .|. |__ |__ | \ |__ | Ottawa, Ontario, Canada One ring to rule them all, one ring to find them, one ring to bring them all and in the darkness bind them... http://mark.mielke.cc/ From elwoo at videotron.ca Tue Oct 21 14:29:29 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 10:29:29 -0400 Subject: totem/xine-libs problem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200310211029.30041.elwoo@videotron.ca> On October 21, 2003 02:09 pm, Kevin Bowen , > wrote: > > ... I wonder, by any chance did you install these using --nodeps? > > Nope, apt-getting everything, all dependencies being satisfied > automatically. > > Incidentally, since last posting, I've now tried rebuilding the SRPMS for > totem and xine-libs, and still get the same thing. FWIW, I haven't installed from source. I've simply downloaded the rpms from freshrpms, and then (making sure they are the *only* packages in the directory): root]# rpm -Uvh *.rpm. This might be somethat far-fetched, but I wonder if it might be related to mp3 support? *Before* installing those libs, and totem / xine / gxine, l installed mp3 support thus: 1) http://www.mpg123.de/cgi-bin/sitexplorer.cgi?/mpg123/precompiled/ download and install: mpg123-0.59q-1.i386.rpm. 2) http://www.gurulabs.com/downloads.html download and install: xmms-mp3-1.2.7-22.i386.rpm ... I realise that I'm stabbing in the dark here, but maybe this might help? <*SHRUG*> Elton ;-) -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From elwoo at videotron.ca Tue Oct 21 14:32:32 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 10:32:32 -0400 Subject: video card: comments please? Message-ID: <200310211032.32092.elwoo@videotron.ca> I'm not familiar with MSI products, but this looks like a good deal as far as price and features: MSI GFX FX5200-TD128 AGP8X http://www.infocomputer.ca/Storefront/Item.asp?ItemID=1848 Opinions, comments, please? TIA, Elton ;-) -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From bcs at metacon.ca Tue Oct 21 18:34:58 2003 From: bcs at metacon.ca (Ben Steeves) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 15:34:58 -0300 Subject: smartd telling me nonsense In-Reply-To: <20031021174708.GG10427@ip68-4-255-84.oc.oc.cox.net> References: <1066749228.6207.15.camel@hal9000.lokales.netz> <20031021174755.0db36ead.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de> <1066754122.2714.61.camel@zephyr> <20031021174708.GG10427@ip68-4-255-84.oc.oc.cox.net> Message-ID: <1066761298.2714.140.camel@zephyr> On Tue, 2003-10-21 at 14:47, Barry K. Nathan wrote: > On Tue, Oct 21, 2003 at 01:35:22PM -0300, Ben Steeves wrote: > > This one confused me too. It's not a temperature at all, its a range > > indicator running between 0 and 255 with 100 representing the average > > expected, numbers below 100 representing below average values and > > numbers above representing above average values... so for example one of > > my drives reads: > > > > 194 Temperature_Celsius 0x0022 118 112 000 Old_age > > - 40 > > > > --that number at the end is the actual temperature in celsius (40) -- > > which is way hotter than it should be, hence the 194 for the operational > > value (way above average). > > Um, no, 194 is the attribute value (it's not an average). 118 is the > current attribute value. 112 is the worst (hottest) it's been. (lower = > hotter; in general, lower attribute values are closer to drive death) Whups... sorry, I knew that (*slap*). -- Ben Steeves _ bcs at metacon.ca The ASCII ribbon campaign ( ) ben.steeves at unb.ca against HTML e-mail X GPG ID: 0xB3EBF1D9 http://www.metacon.ca/ascii / \ Yahoo Messenger: ben_steeves From alan at redhat.com Tue Oct 21 18:48:48 2003 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 14:48:48 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Speakup in kernel In-Reply-To: <20031021153719.GK9683@rednote.net> from "Janina Sajka" at Hyd 21, 2003 11:37:19 Message-ID: <200310211848.h9LImmi08724@devserv.devel.redhat.com> > And, as for those multiple issues, where are they documented, please? I > don't recall any documentation of security, or any issue other than a > single I18N issue. There were a series of issues discussed with the original authors - lack of modularity - incorrect interfacing to tty layer for serial units - some security problems (not publically disclosed) - problems with /proc config interface - future - when you need userspace to set up serial ports or direct usb what will happen - there needs to be an interface lower than Linux to solve these problems. - the fact many blind linux users including blind kernel development folks felt it was the wrong model From markkukolkka at kolumbus.fi Tue Oct 21 18:54:58 2003 From: markkukolkka at kolumbus.fi (Markku Kolkka) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 21:54:58 +0300 Subject: smartd telling me nonsense In-Reply-To: <200310211635.28216.fedora@warmcat.com> References: <1066749228.6207.15.camel@hal9000.lokales.netz> <200310211635.28216.fedora@warmcat.com> Message-ID: <200310212154.58575.markkukolkka@kolumbus.fi> Andy Green kirjoitti viestiss??n (l?hetysaika Tiistai 21. Lokakuuta 2003 18:35): > This reminds me my logwatch has a ton of nonexistant device scanning > from smartd (Inspiron 5150) Edit /etc/smartd.conf to comment out the DEVICESCAN command and specify the drives you want to be monitored by smartd. -- Markku Kolkka markku.kolkka at iki.fi From bwheadley at earthlink.net Tue Oct 21 19:05:19 2003 From: bwheadley at earthlink.net (Bryan W. Headley) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 14:05:19 -0500 Subject: Boot Loader Proposal In-Reply-To: <15191.140.175.214.36.1066758175.squirrel@www.peaknet.net> References: <200310210911.44483.jkeating@j2solutions.net> <15191.140.175.214.36.1066758175.squirrel@www.peaknet.net> Message-ID: <3F95836F.3080407@earthlink.net> dsavage at peaknet.net wrote: > On Tuesday October 21, 2003 Jesse Keating wrote: > >>[snip] >>Here is what I propose: >> >>Grub and Syslinux remain in Core. They will cover the mass majority of >>the userbase, with minimal duplication. Lilo shall be relegated to >>Alternatives or Extras. Lilo seems to have a smaller need base, but >>still needs to be available. This should satisfy the majority of the >>people on this list right? > > > Jesse, > > I don't disagree. But I wonder if we aren't discussing soon-to-be-obsolete > packages. With 64-bit machines now on the market and rumors of next > generation BIOSes with OS-like capabilities in their own right, we could > be better off sitting back and waiting to see what new stuff comes down > the road in the next year or two. Probably, no, the concept of these packages won't be obsoleted. The Dec Alpha came with a pretty sophisticated boot loader, and yet MILO had to be cobbled together for Linux. There's always something that needs to be done at bootstrap that wasn't anticipated by the BIOS writers. -- ____ .:. ____ Bryan W. Headley - bwheadley at earthlink.net From elwoo at videotron.ca Tue Oct 21 14:58:38 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 10:58:38 -0400 Subject: comments please: new BUG #107652 Message-ID: <200310211058.38818.elwoo@videotron.ca> SUMMARY: nautilus segfaults when viewing images DESCRIPTION: when one or two images are viewed with the internal viewer, nautilus crashes with a segmentation fault, then restarts. LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=107652 Kindly add comments, observations as appropriate. Thanks, Elton ;-) -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From elwoo at videotron.ca Tue Oct 21 15:02:00 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 11:02:00 -0400 Subject: gthumb caused repeated crashes with nautilus In-Reply-To: References: <200310210922.40091.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <200310211102.00791.elwoo@videotron.ca> On October 21, 2003 01:28 pm, Mike A. Harris , <"Mike A. Harris" > wrote: > If nautilus itself is crashing, then it would be a nautilus bug > or a bug in one of the libraries, etc. that nautilus uses most > likely I've now posted a new bug report #107652. Looks like eel, gkt and others don'w want to get along ... (from the traceback). Elton ;-) -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From christoph.wickert at web.de Tue Oct 21 19:08:42 2003 From: christoph.wickert at web.de (Christoph Wickert) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 21:08:42 +0200 Subject: smartd telling me nonsense In-Reply-To: <20031021174755.0db36ead.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de> References: <1066749228.6207.15.camel@hal9000.lokales.netz> <20031021174755.0db36ead.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de> Message-ID: <3F95843A.9010508@web.de> Michael Schwendt schrieb: >>>From my LogWatch: >> >> --------------------- Smartd Begin ------------------------ >> >>/dev/hda : >> 1 Time(s): SMART Usage Attribute: 194 Temperature_Celsius changed >>from 134 to 130 >> >> ---------------------- Smartd End ------------------------- >> >>pretty hot! :-) >> >> > >What do you get for "smartctl -a /dev/hda | grep Temp"? > # /usr/sbin/smartctl -a /dev/hda | grep Temp 194 Temperature_Celsius 0x0002 144 144 000 Old_age - 38 (Lifetime Min/Max 5/54) hddtemp reports correctly: # hddtemp /dev/hda /dev/hda: IC35L080AVVA07-0: 38 ?C @Ben: I've allready changed my smartd.conf. /dev/hda ist the only drive to be oserved. Thanks for your help! I think smartd is not as smart as I expected. Christoph -- "Wenn zu perfekt - Gott b?se." Nam June Paik _______________________________ Christoph Wickert mailto:christoph.wickert at web.de From alan at redhat.com Tue Oct 21 19:05:24 2003 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 15:05:24 -0400 (EDT) Subject: lilo vs grub In-Reply-To: <20031021045653.GA9180@mark.mielke.cc> from "Mark Mielke" at Hyd 21, 2003 12:56:53 Message-ID: <200310211905.h9LJ5Oe17632@devserv.devel.redhat.com> > Feel free to correct me... Perhaps you will take ownership of lilo, and > ensure that it is actively maintained? Remember, the open source community Lilo is actively maintained, works on many machines grub does not, can boot off more file systems and can handle raid properly. From roberto.studios at monornet.hu Tue Oct 21 19:07:00 2003 From: roberto.studios at monornet.hu (roberTO.studiOS) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 21:07:00 +0200 Subject: Fedora Logo Font name? 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URL: From christoph.wickert at web.de Tue Oct 21 19:12:08 2003 From: christoph.wickert at web.de (Christoph Wickert) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 21:12:08 +0200 Subject: smartd telling me nonsense In-Reply-To: <200310211635.28216.fedora@warmcat.com> References: <1066749228.6207.15.camel@hal9000.lokales.netz> <200310211635.28216.fedora@warmcat.com> Message-ID: <3F958508.9010703@web.de> Andy Green schrieb: >This reminds me my logwatch has a ton of nonexistant device scanning from >smartd (Inspiron 5150) > >/dev/hda : (<------dvd drive) > 1 Time(s): appears to lack SMART, use '-T permissive' Directive to try >anyway. > 1 Time(s): not found in smartd database. > 1 Time(s): opened > >/dev/hdb : > 1 Time(s): opened (<-- non existant) > 1 Time(s): unable to read Device Identity Structure > >/dev/hdc : (<--------- hdd) > 1 Time(s): is SMART capable. Adding to "monitor" list. > 1 Time(s): not found in smartd database. > 1 Time(s): opened > >/dev/hdd : > 1 Time(s): opened (<---- non existant) > 1 Time(s): unable to read Device Identity Structure > >/dev/hde : > 1 Time(s): No such device or address, open() failed > > >..... > >/dev/sdz : > 1 Time(s): No such device or address, open() failed > You should edit your smartd.conf to only observe smart capable drives. First thing to do is to comment out "DEVICESCAN", after that all other drives that should not be observed. Christoph -- "Wenn zu perfekt - Gott b?se." Nam June Paik _______________________________ Christoph Wickert mailto:christoph.wickert at web.de From elwoo at videotron.ca Tue Oct 21 15:09:39 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 11:09:39 -0400 Subject: linux accessibility issues / Assistive Technology, etc. Message-ID: <200310211109.39984.elwoo@videotron.ca> What moves are afoot to make linux truly user friendly for handicapped users? I'm thinking of usablity for blind users (auditory and visual clues), amputees (voice input), the deaf (speech output), etc... And IMVHO, some of these technologies are useful to others also (reducing the risks of CTS, as one example), beneficial to those with poor typing skills, or the elderly, etc... ... just bloody curious, that's all! Elton ;-) -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From glass-art at comcast.net Tue Oct 21 19:13:41 2003 From: glass-art at comcast.net (Clifford Snow) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 12:13:41 -0700 Subject: gthumb caused repeated crashes with nautilus In-Reply-To: <200310210922.40091.elwoo@videotron.ca> References: <200310210922.40091.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <1066763621.10691.5.camel@blue.comcast.net> On Tue, 2003-10-21 at 06:22, Elton Woo wrote: > Has anyone else noticed this? > If so, has this been sent to bugzilla? > > I open a folder with some jpg images and maximize the folder. > View about 4 or 5 images with the internal viewer, and then > switch directories. > Nautilus crashes with a seg fault. Then comes back up. > Repeatable and consistent. > > versions: > nautilus-2.4.0-5 > gthumb-2.0.2-1 > XFree86-4.3.0-40 > > This is on an Athlon with the nVidia drivers installed. > Display is 1024 x 768 x 24-bit. I tried to duplicate your bug, but was not able to. Mime works just fine. I have a similar setup to you, Athlon, 1024 x 768, millions of colors but I'm using the generic nv driver. Same releases on nautilus, gthumb and XFree86. Suggest you try the generic nVidia driver. -- Clifford Snow glass-art at comcast.net -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From whb at ceimaine.org Tue Oct 21 19:14:29 2003 From: whb at ceimaine.org (Will Backman) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 15:14:29 -0400 Subject: linux accessibility issues / Assistive Technology, etc. In-Reply-To: <200310211109.39984.elwoo@videotron.ca> References: <200310211109.39984.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <1066763668.2225.15.camel@dbxwsd21> Plus a requirement for Gov't contracts etc. On Tue, 2003-10-21 at 11:09, Elton Woo wrote: > What moves are afoot to make linux truly user friendly for handicapped > users? I'm thinking of usablity for blind users (auditory and visual clues), > amputees (voice input), the deaf (speech output), etc... > > And IMVHO, some of these technologies are useful to > others also (reducing the risks of CTS, as one example), beneficial to > those with poor typing skills, or the elderly, etc... > > ... just bloody curious, that's all! > > Elton ;-) From elwoo at videotron.ca Tue Oct 21 15:14:56 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 11:14:56 -0400 Subject: Fedora Logo Font name? In-Reply-To: <1066763220.5498.0.camel@robihost> References: <1066763220.5498.0.camel@robihost> Message-ID: <200310211114.56766.elwoo@videotron.ca> On October 21, 2003 03:07 pm, roberTO.studiOS , <"roberTO.studiOS" > wrote: > Hi! > > Please! What font used in the FEDORA Logo??? > > Thanks! I've looked in The Gimp, and it looks like lucida bold italic. HTH, Elton ;-) -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From christoph.wickert at web.de Tue Oct 21 19:18:04 2003 From: christoph.wickert at web.de (Christoph Wickert) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 21:18:04 +0200 Subject: EVERYTHING fails compiling In-Reply-To: <20031021175133.2546e3f3.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de> References: <3F953D97.3000906@web.de> <20031021175133.2546e3f3.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de> Message-ID: <3F95866C.7000005@web.de> Michael Schwendt schrieb: >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >Hash: SHA1 > >On Tue, 21 Oct 2003 16:07:19 +0200, Christoph Wickert wrote: > > > >>I've been updating to the latest rawhide-packages yesterday. >>Whenever I try to compile something, no matter if it's just a small >>goodie or a huge app, I get >> >>#make[1]: Entering directory `/home/raoul/develope/blabla' >>#make[1]: Nothing to do for target ?all?. >>#make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/raoul/develope/blabla' >> >>Of corse it's not finished and 'make install' also fails, no files are >>copied. >> >>Any ideas? I think I've been updating to a new version of gcc-3.2 yesterday. >> >> > >The quoted output of "make" is not enough, since it doesn't include >any error messages. > Well, there are no errors! Have a look at http://wickert.gmxhome.de/nohup1.out (just as an example) Christoph -- "Wenn zu perfekt - Gott b?se." Nam June Paik _______________________________ Christoph Wickert mailto:christoph.wickert at web.de From mharris at redhat.com Tue Oct 21 19:19:49 2003 From: mharris at redhat.com (Mike A. Harris) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 15:19:49 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Games doesent work in Fedora test 3 In-Reply-To: <3F95769F.3080502@linuxin.dk> References: <3F95769F.3080502@linuxin.dk> Message-ID: On Tue, 21 Oct 2003, Bjorn Andersen wrote: >I just tryed to install som games in Fedora Test 3. >The games was: > >Enemy Teritory >Unreal Tournament >Americas Army 1.9 >Unreal Tournament 2003 > >My hardware is: >Intell P4 2.4 HT >Nvidia FX 5600, and i have OpenGL working (I did export "CC=gcc32" ) > >The only game that cold start, was the old Unreal Tournament :-( >All other exited without to show any graphics. > >Has anyone submittet at bug report in bugzilla for this? Nvidia's binary proprietary drivers are unsupported, so unless this problem is reproduceable using the "nv" driver, or using alternate video hardware with stock provided/supported video drivers, it will most likely be closed as a duplicate of bug number 73733 along with the other 400 or so dupes. ;o) -- Mike A. Harris ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris OS Systems Engineer - XFree86 maintainer - Red Hat From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Tue Oct 21 19:18:56 2003 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 15:18:56 -0400 Subject: linux accessibility issues / Assistive Technology, etc. In-Reply-To: <200310211109.39984.elwoo@videotron.ca> References: <200310211109.39984.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <1066763936.7859.101.camel@binkley> On Tue, 2003-10-21 at 11:09, Elton Woo wrote: > What moves are afoot to make linux truly user friendly for handicapped > users? I'm thinking of usablity for blind users (auditory and visual clues), > amputees (voice input), the deaf (speech output), etc... /me wonders how speech output would be useful for the deaf. :) my girlfriend is deaf and I'd never think of having speech output from the computer as useful :) -sv From aoliva at redhat.com Tue Oct 21 19:24:36 2003 From: aoliva at redhat.com (Alexandre Oliva) Date: 21 Oct 2003 17:24:36 -0200 Subject: lilo vs grub In-Reply-To: <200310211238.14429.tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie> References: <1066709599.9999.36.camel@localhost.localdomain> <200310211238.14429.tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie> Message-ID: On Oct 21, 2003, Timothy Murphy wrote: > On Tuesday 21 October 2003 05:54, Alexandre Oliva wrote: >> Dude! How could you forget the alternative of shipping with a BSD >> kernel as an option?!? :-) > Although I'm a grub user, I find the arguments put forward here > for grub exclusivity very odd. I have no idea of why you chose to reply to my message to put in your argument, but I was certainly not arguing against lilo. I was just adding to the joke started by Jef. I don't use lilo myself, but it served me well for quite a while. I wouldn't mind at all having it as part of the distro, but I don't get the maintain the lilo package, nor the installer bits that would offer it as an option and set it up, nor would I test them myself, so I have absolutely no say on it. Frankly, I don't care. Give me a boot loader that works, and I'll be a happy camper. If the default boot loader fails, I'll probably try to help making it work for me during test cycles such that in final releases it works out of the box. -- Alexandre Oliva Enjoy Guarana', see http://www.ic.unicamp.br/~oliva/ Red Hat GCC Developer aoliva@{redhat.com, gcc.gnu.org} CS PhD student at IC-Unicamp oliva@{lsd.ic.unicamp.br, gnu.org} Free Software Evangelist Professional serial bug killer From garrett at redhat.com Tue Oct 21 19:25:48 2003 From: garrett at redhat.com (Garrett LeSage) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 15:25:48 -0400 Subject: Fedora Logo Font name? In-Reply-To: <1066763220.5498.0.camel@robihost> References: <1066763220.5498.0.camel@robihost> Message-ID: <3F95883C.1030805@redhat.com> roberTO.studiOS wrote: > Hi! > > Please! What font used in the FEDORA Logo??? > > Thanks! It is a modified Myriad bold italic. Garrett From christoph.wickert at web.de Tue Oct 21 19:31:54 2003 From: christoph.wickert at web.de (Christoph Wickert) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 21:31:54 +0200 Subject: Dependencies in KDE packages In-Reply-To: <20031021175001.470417a6.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de> References: <1066748261.6207.9.camel@hal9000.lokales.netz> <20031021175001.470417a6.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de> Message-ID: <3F9589AA.7030604@web.de> Michael Schwendt schrieb: >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >Hash: SHA1 > >On Tue, 21 Oct 2003 16:57:41 +0200, Christoph Wickert wrote: > > > >># rpm -e kdegames >>Fehler: Failed dependencies: >>libatlantic.so.1 is needed by (installed) kdeaddons-3.1.4-1 >>libatlantikui.so.1 is needed by (installed) kdeaddons-3.1.4-1 >>libkdegames.so.1 is needed by (installed) kdeaddons-3.1.4-1 >> >>Why not make smaller packages? Why not provide a meta-package kdegames >>that includes the games, so I can select myself, what I want to install? >> >> > >These are library dependencies. A meta package could not fix them. > Well, a meta package which splitts not only into the different games but also into bins and libs cloud. This is how debian handles it: # apt-cache depends kdegames kdegames Depends: atlantik Depends: kasteroids (other games) ... # apt-cache depends atlantik atlantik Depends: kdelibs4 Depends: libart-2.0-2 Depends: libc6 Depends: libfam0 Depends: libkdegames1 Depends: libpng3 Depends: libqt3-mt Depends: libstdc++2.10-glibc2.2 Depends: xlibs Depends: zlib1g So I still can choose, whether to install all games, only some, or none of them. And even *if* kdeaddons depended on some libs, i could install them seperately. >Whether it makes sense that something in "kdeaddons" depends on >libraries in "kdegames" is another question. > Yes. To me I does'nt make sense at all. I think kdenetwork and kdepim also depend on kdegames, at least the devel-packages. Christoph -- "Wenn zu perfekt - Gott b?se." Nam June Paik _______________________________ Christoph Wickert mailto:christoph.wickert at web.de From aoliva at redhat.com Tue Oct 21 19:29:05 2003 From: aoliva at redhat.com (Alexandre Oliva) Date: 21 Oct 2003 17:29:05 -0200 Subject: lilo vs grub In-Reply-To: <200310211905.h9LJ5Oe17632@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <200310211905.h9LJ5Oe17632@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: On Oct 21, 2003, Alan Cox wrote: > Lilo [...] can handle raid properly. Can you define `properly' in the light of the long e-mail I posted about this the other day? http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/2003-October/msg02399.html -- Alexandre Oliva Enjoy Guarana', see http://www.ic.unicamp.br/~oliva/ Red Hat GCC Developer aoliva@{redhat.com, gcc.gnu.org} CS PhD student at IC-Unicamp oliva@{lsd.ic.unicamp.br, gnu.org} Free Software Evangelist Professional serial bug killer From aoliva at redhat.com Tue Oct 21 19:34:01 2003 From: aoliva at redhat.com (Alexandre Oliva) Date: 21 Oct 2003 17:34:01 -0200 Subject: lilo vs grub In-Reply-To: <1066744109.24096.17.camel@jeremy.dtcc.cc.nc.us> References: <3F931F56.4050400@bol.com.br> <20031020165549.GC12274@rednote.net> <1066708062.2070.5.camel@bettie.internal.frields.org> <200310210941.13704.tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie> <1066744109.24096.17.camel@jeremy.dtcc.cc.nc.us> Message-ID: On Oct 21, 2003, Jeremy Portzer wrote: > Use the "--once" flag to the "savedefault" command. Talking of this feature, how does it work in a raid1 scenario, in both grub and lilo? I'm genuinely curious. -- Alexandre Oliva Enjoy Guarana', see http://www.ic.unicamp.br/~oliva/ Red Hat GCC Developer aoliva@{redhat.com, gcc.gnu.org} CS PhD student at IC-Unicamp oliva@{lsd.ic.unicamp.br, gnu.org} Free Software Evangelist Professional serial bug killer From janina at rednote.net Tue Oct 21 19:34:29 2003 From: janina at rednote.net (Janina Sajka) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 15:34:29 -0400 Subject: Speakup in kernel In-Reply-To: <20031021133901.A6152@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <20031020155537.GI7677@rednote.net> <200310202018.h9KKIwA11721@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <20031020221535.GO15678@rednote.net> <20031021103637.A32367@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <20031021153719.GK9683@rednote.net> <20031021133901.A6152@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20031021193429.GK14973@rednote.net> Michael K. Johnson writes: > From: "Michael K. Johnson" > > On Tue, Oct 21, 2003 at 11:37:19AM -0400, Janina Sajka wrote: > > Michael K. Johnson writes: > > > From: "Michael K. Johnson" > > > There were multiple reasons that it was pulled, including security. > > > Until it is upstream, I'd call its inclusion an unfortunately failed > > > experiment. :-( > > > > You are calling the most successful user interface for blind computer > > users a failure? That's a rather strange spin. > > No. I'm calling the *inclusion* failed. We put in something that was > not upstream, and found out later that we should have stuck to our > normal policy (even then) of pushing upstream first. > > > And, as for those multiple issues, where are they documented, please? I > > don't recall any documentation of security, or any issue other than a > > single I18N issue. > > It was discussed with the author. Not all security issues are subject > to instant full disclosure. > OK. I can easily check with the author and will do so. But, you said "multiple issues, including security." What else, please? With documentation, please. Put up, Michael. > michaelkjohnson > > "He that composes himself is wiser than he that composes a book." > Linux Application Development -- Ben Franklin > http://people.redhat.com/johnsonm/lad/ > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list -- Janina Sajka Email: janina at rednote.net Phone: (202) 408-8175 Director, Technology Research and Development American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) http://www.afb.org Chair, Accessibility Work Group Free Standards Group http://accessibility.freestandards.org From lists at reforge.fi Tue Oct 21 19:33:19 2003 From: lists at reforge.fi (Lauri Jutila) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 22:33:19 +0300 Subject: Fedora Core test3 on Latitude D800 [report] In-Reply-To: <20031020184810.A25741@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <1066688443.5208.21.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20031020183024.A13847@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1066689625.5208.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20031020184810.A25741@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1066764799.5402.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> > > Shutdown completes otherwise cleanly and I wouldn't want to do 25 > > reboots just to get that message, since the machine boots 2 seconds > > after the oops. Writing it down would be a challenge. ;) > > > > Filesystems are unmounted *after* the oops so there might be a way to > > record the message to disk? > > a) serial console > b) halt instead of reboot, digital camera :) > > Bill Bill, FYI. The oops message that I got was actually the same as Bugzilla bug #107524. It happened with kupdate and produced almost identical results as #107524's attached serial console output. This problem only concerned .2096 kernel. The bug #107524 can probably be marked as resolved, since .2097 has been working fine. -- Lauri Jutila Chief Linux Fellow, Reforge lists at reforge.fi http://www.reforge.fi From mharris at redhat.com Tue Oct 21 19:44:31 2003 From: mharris at redhat.com (Mike A. Harris) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 15:44:31 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Speakup in kernel In-Reply-To: <20031021193429.GK14973@rednote.net> References: <20031020155537.GI7677@rednote.net> <200310202018.h9KKIwA11721@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <20031020221535.GO15678@rednote.net> <20031021103637.A32367@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <20031021153719.GK9683@rednote.net> <20031021133901.A6152@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <20031021193429.GK14973@rednote.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 21 Oct 2003, Janina Sajka wrote: >> > don't recall any documentation of security, or any issue other than a >> > single I18N issue. >> >> It was discussed with the author. Not all security issues are subject >> to instant full disclosure. >> > >OK. I can easily check with the author and will do so. > >But, you said "multiple issues, including security." What else, please? >With documentation, please. > >Put up, Michael. Michael presented enough information already as to why it is not present, and is NOT going to be included for technical and other reasons, as has Alan. Being rude and obnoxious is simply NOT going to change that. Here is Alan's email if you missed it. End of story. Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 14:48:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Alan Cox To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Id: For testers of Red Hat Linux beta releases Subject: Re: Speakup in kernel > And, as for those multiple issues, where are they documented, please? I > don't recall any documentation of security, or any issue other than a > single I18N issue. There were a series of issues discussed with the original authors - lack of modularity - incorrect interfacing to tty layer for serial units - some security problems (not publically disclosed) - problems with /proc config interface - future - when you need userspace to set up serial ports or direct usb what will happen - there needs to be an interface lower than Linux to solve these problems. - the fact many blind linux users including blind kernel development folks felt it was the wrong model -- Mike A. Harris ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris OS Systems Engineer - XFree86 maintainer - Red Hat From janina at rednote.net Tue Oct 21 19:51:59 2003 From: janina at rednote.net (Janina Sajka) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 15:51:59 -0400 Subject: Speakup in kernel In-Reply-To: <200310211848.h9LImmi08724@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <20031021153719.GK9683@rednote.net> <200310211848.h9LImmi08724@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20031021195159.GL14973@rednote.net> Alan Cox writes: > From: Alan Cox > > > And, as for those multiple issues, where are they documented, please? I > > don't recall any documentation of security, or any issue other than a > > single I18N issue. > > There were a series of issues discussed with the original authors > - lack of modularity Addressed. > - incorrect interfacing to tty layer for serial units Addressed. > - some security problems (not publically disclosed) I'm checking and will report. Count on it. > - problems with /proc config interface What problems? > - future - when you need userspace to set up serial ports or direct usb > what will happen - there needs to be an interface lower than Linux to > solve these problems. This is outrageous as an issue, but I'm pleased to say it has been addressed. > - the fact many blind linux users including blind kernel development folks > felt it was the wrong model This isn't an issue, Alan. I's a blad faced cop out. Some users don't care for consoles. Is that a reason to dispense with consoles? Some users want KDE. Is that a reason to dispense with GNOME? Remember, most blind users use Speakup. So, you're letting a minority provide you the excuse you're looking for? How obvious can you be? > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list -- Janina Sajka Email: janina at rednote.net Phone: (202) 408-8175 Director, Technology Research and Development American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) http://www.afb.org Chair, Accessibility Work Group Free Standards Group http://accessibility.freestandards.org From janina at rednote.net Tue Oct 21 19:55:09 2003 From: janina at rednote.net (Janina Sajka) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 15:55:09 -0400 Subject: Speakup in kernel In-Reply-To: References: <20031020155537.GI7677@rednote.net> <200310202018.h9KKIwA11721@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <20031020221535.GO15678@rednote.net> <20031021103637.A32367@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <20031021153719.GK9683@rednote.net> <20031021133901.A6152@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <20031021193429.GK14973@rednote.net> Message-ID: <20031021195509.GM14973@rednote.net> Oh, it's clear RH has no intention. What is now also clear is that the reasoning is highly suspect. In fact, prejudicial against persons with disabilities. Not hard to make that case from this thread. It will come back on RH, though. This isn't going away. Just as the discriminatory practices with RCE isn't going away. The RCE issue is a lurking ADA legal issue. The kernel accessibility issue will be back. Perhaps only upstream. But, we're not going away. Mike A. Harris writes: > From: "Mike A. Harris" > > On Tue, 21 Oct 2003, Janina Sajka wrote: > > >> > don't recall any documentation of security, or any issue other than a > >> > single I18N issue. > >> > >> It was discussed with the author. Not all security issues are subject > >> to instant full disclosure. > >> > > > >OK. I can easily check with the author and will do so. > > > >But, you said "multiple issues, including security." What else, please? > >With documentation, please. > > > >Put up, Michael. > > Michael presented enough information already as to why it is not > present, and is NOT going to be included for technical and other > reasons, as has Alan. Being rude and obnoxious is simply NOT > going to change that. > > Here is Alan's email if you missed it. > > End of story. > > > > Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 14:48:48 -0400 (EDT) > From: Alan Cox > To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > List-Id: For testers of Red Hat Linux beta releases > > Subject: Re: Speakup in kernel > > > And, as for those multiple issues, where are they documented, > please? I > > don't recall any documentation of security, or any issue other > than a > > single I18N issue. > > There were a series of issues discussed with the original authors > - lack of modularity > - incorrect interfacing to tty layer for serial units > - some security problems (not publically disclosed) > - problems with /proc config interface > - future - when you need userspace to set up serial ports or > direct usb > what will happen - there needs to be an interface lower than > Linux to > solve these problems. > - the fact many blind linux users including blind kernel > development folks > felt it was the wrong model > > > -- > Mike A. Harris ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris > OS Systems Engineer - XFree86 maintainer - Red Hat > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list -- Janina Sajka Email: janina at rednote.net Phone: (202) 408-8175 Director, Technology Research and Development American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) http://www.afb.org Chair, Accessibility Work Group Free Standards Group http://accessibility.freestandards.org From elwoo at videotron.ca Tue Oct 21 19:56:59 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 15:56:59 -0400 Subject: gthumb caused repeated crashes with nautilus In-Reply-To: <1066763621.10691.5.camel@blue.comcast.net> References: <200310210922.40091.elwoo@videotron.ca> <1066763621.10691.5.camel@blue.comcast.net> Message-ID: <200310211556.59531.elwoo@videotron.ca> On October 21, 2003 03:13 pm, Clifford Snow , > wrote: > I tried to duplicate your bug, but was not able to. Mime works just > fine. I have a similar setup to you, Athlon, 1024 x 768, millions of > colors but I'm using the generic nv driver. Same releases on nautilus, > gthumb and XFree86. > > Suggest you try the generic nVidia driver. With the nv driver insitead of "nvidia", then I'm back to the stuttering mouse pointer in Tuxracer! :-( Elton 8>\ (...damned if I do, damned if I don't? ) -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From eric at interplas.com Tue Oct 21 19:59:19 2003 From: eric at interplas.com (Eric Wood) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 15:59:19 -0400 Subject: removable media Message-ID: <04b901c3980d$d0a9eda0$9100000a@intgrp.com> I have: 1. 250Meg USB Zip drive: After several /dev/sda and /dev/sdb error messages, the floppy drive is accessed, /etc/fstab is automatically add with a line containing the /mnt/zip drive. However, it is not automounted even though amd is running. 2. 32Meg samsung usb jumpdrive: Same /dev/sda and /dev/sdb errors, the floppy drive is accessed, and it doesn't add to /etc/fstab nor automount. I have another 128Meg SuperTalent jumpdrive I haven't tested yet but I also probably won't work. All devices work in WinME with not additional drivers. Is there a way to get nautilus to give me a drive icon for this stuff? Or are there still kernel issues preventing this? -eric wood From elwoo at videotron.ca Tue Oct 21 19:59:50 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 15:59:50 -0400 Subject: linux accessibility issues / Assistive Technology, etc. In-Reply-To: <1066763936.7859.101.camel@binkley> References: <200310211109.39984.elwoo@videotron.ca> <1066763936.7859.101.camel@binkley> Message-ID: <200310211559.50768.elwoo@videotron.ca> On October 21, 2003 03:18 pm, seth vidal , > wrote: > On Tue, 2003-10-21 at 11:09, Elton Woo wrote: > > What moves are afoot to make linux truly user friendly for handicapped > > users? I'm thinking of usablity for blind users (auditory and visual > > clues), amputees (voice input), the deaf (speech output), etc... > > /me wonders how speech output would be useful for the deaf. :) > my girlfriend is deaf and I'd never think of having speech output from > the computer as useful :) > > -sv / me meant *partially* hearing impared! Elton ;-) LOL! -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From aoliva at redhat.com Tue Oct 21 20:03:34 2003 From: aoliva at redhat.com (Alexandre Oliva) Date: 21 Oct 2003 18:03:34 -0200 Subject: rhn_register problem In-Reply-To: <1066753462.8640.2.camel@techbyte.com.br> References: <1066753462.8640.2.camel@techbyte.com.br> Message-ID: On Oct 21, 2003, Thiago Vinhas de Moraes wrote: > socket.herror: (1, 'Host desconhecido') Host unknown? I'd guess your DNS resolver is not working. Can you resolve any other names from this machine? -- Alexandre Oliva Enjoy Guarana', see http://www.ic.unicamp.br/~oliva/ Red Hat GCC Developer aoliva@{redhat.com, gcc.gnu.org} CS PhD student at IC-Unicamp oliva@{lsd.ic.unicamp.br, gnu.org} Free Software Evangelist Professional serial bug killer From whb at ceimaine.org Tue Oct 21 20:05:27 2003 From: whb at ceimaine.org (Will Backman) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 16:05:27 -0400 Subject: Speakup in kernel In-Reply-To: <20031021195509.GM14973@rednote.net> References: <20031020155537.GI7677@rednote.net> <200310202018.h9KKIwA11721@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <20031020221535.GO15678@rednote.net> <20031021103637.A32367@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <20031021153719.GK9683@rednote.net> <20031021133901.A6152@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <20031021193429.GK14973@rednote.net> <20031021195509.GM14973@rednote.net> Message-ID: <1066766726.2225.25.camel@dbxwsd21> Before we get too angry... The open source nature of Linux means that Speakup kernels are available. Just like the open source advocates say "if your vendor does not provide it, those who want it can." Not an excuse for not asking RedHat to try, but... There is the inclusion of gnopernicus (not full inclusion, but getting there), which provides things that speakup does not, on screen keyboards, and a magnifier. Some would say that this is a better approach, as it lets us avoid the "separate but equal" trap where most users get Evolution, but those using speakup have to use Mutt or some other text mode mail client. Fedora is a community project. We cannot throw this at RedHat any more. If we want to influence the project, Fedora provides a better chance than before. Peace, Love, Linux. On Tue, 2003-10-21 at 15:55, Janina Sajka wrote: > Oh, it's clear RH has no intention. What is now also clear is that the > reasoning is highly suspect. In fact, prejudicial against persons with > disabilities. Not hard to make that case from this thread. > > It will come back on RH, though. This isn't going away. Just as the > discriminatory practices with RCE isn't going away. The RCE issue is a > lurking ADA legal issue. The kernel accessibility issue will be back. > Perhaps only upstream. But, we're not going away. > > > Mike A. Harris writes: > > From: "Mike A. Harris" > > > > On Tue, 21 Oct 2003, Janina Sajka wrote: > > > > >> > don't recall any documentation of security, or any issue other than a > > >> > single I18N issue. > > >> > > >> It was discussed with the author. Not all security issues are subject > > >> to instant full disclosure. > > >> > > > > > >OK. I can easily check with the author and will do so. > > > > > >But, you said "multiple issues, including security." What else, please? > > >With documentation, please. > > > > > >Put up, Michael. > > > > Michael presented enough information already as to why it is not > > present, and is NOT going to be included for technical and other > > reasons, as has Alan. Being rude and obnoxious is simply NOT > > going to change that. > > > > Here is Alan's email if you missed it. > > > > End of story. > > > > > > > > Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 14:48:48 -0400 (EDT) > > From: Alan Cox > > To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > List-Id: For testers of Red Hat Linux beta releases > > > > Subject: Re: Speakup in kernel > > > > > And, as for those multiple issues, where are they documented, > > please? I > > > don't recall any documentation of security, or any issue other > > than a > > > single I18N issue. > > > > There were a series of issues discussed with the original authors > > - lack of modularity > > - incorrect interfacing to tty layer for serial units > > - some security problems (not publically disclosed) > > - problems with /proc config interface > > - future - when you need userspace to set up serial ports or > > direct usb > > what will happen - there needs to be an interface lower than > > Linux to > > solve these problems. > > - the fact many blind linux users including blind kernel > > development folks > > felt it was the wrong model > > > > > > -- > > Mike A. Harris ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris > > OS Systems Engineer - XFree86 maintainer - Red Hat > > > > > > -- > > fedora-test-list mailing list > > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From kaboom at gatech.edu Tue Oct 21 20:06:05 2003 From: kaboom at gatech.edu (Chris Ricker) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 16:06:05 -0400 (EDT) Subject: lilo vs grub In-Reply-To: References: <200310211905.h9LJ5Oe17632@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 21 Oct 2003, Alexandre Oliva wrote: > On Oct 21, 2003, Alan Cox wrote: > > > Lilo [...] can handle raid properly. > > Can you define `properly' in the light of the long e-mail I posted > about this the other day? > > http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/2003-October/msg02399.html There are at least two different issues w/ grub and raid in contrast to how lilo and raid work 0. grub-install fails with (most? all?) RAID1, whether trying to go to the components (/dev/hda, for example) or going to the raid device (/dev/md0), so you have to drop down in the grub shell and install it manually onto the components. That's a problem given the baroque nature of the grub command shell.... lilo(8), in contrast, works with RAID1 devices. 1. default grub installation done by anaconda is on only one of the components in the mirror, while lilo installation is on all There may be others as well. Your comments above only deal with the second problem. My general opinion is that a solution which works some of the time (installing to all components) is better than one which doesn't ever work (installing to only one) in cases of failure. Beyond that, though, there's the bigger problem that people who've used lilo w/ RAID have the expectation that the boot loader is getting put everywhere, so they don't know they need to follow up behind anaconda and fix things. Your comments don't address the first issue at all. Neither of these are showstoppers for grub + raid at least for me (hey, I don't use lilo anywhere anymore, and haven't for a few years), but they're differences from lilo that have to be known about by the people being forced to migrate now, and they're differences people used to lilo's raid behavior often don't like, which is why this thread has dragged on so long ;-) later, chris From glass-art at comcast.net Tue Oct 21 20:10:25 2003 From: glass-art at comcast.net (Clifford Snow) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 13:10:25 -0700 Subject: gthumb caused repeated crashes with nautilus In-Reply-To: <200310211556.59531.elwoo@videotron.ca> References: <200310210922.40091.elwoo@videotron.ca> <1066763621.10691.5.camel@blue.comcast.net> <200310211556.59531.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <1066767025.10691.9.camel@blue.comcast.net> On Tue, 2003-10-21 at 12:56, Elton Woo wrote: > On October 21, 2003 03:13 pm, Clifford Snow , > wrote: > > I tried to duplicate your bug, but was not able to. Mime works just > > fine. I have a similar setup to you, Athlon, 1024 x 768, millions of > > colors but I'm using the generic nv driver. Same releases on nautilus, > > gthumb and XFree86. > > > > Suggest you try the generic nVidia driver. > With the nv driver insitead of "nvidia", then I'm back to the > stuttering mouse pointer in Tuxracer! :-( > > Elton 8>\ (...damned if I do, damned if I don't? ) I tried tuxracer and found that my mouse pointer didn't seem to work. Tracking was delayed. Not sure what is normal. Tuxracer was never my favorite game so I'm not sure how to use the pointer or if I should be using the keyboard. -- Clifford Snow glass-art at comcast.net -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Tue Oct 21 20:09:28 2003 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 16:09:28 -0400 Subject: Speakup in kernel In-Reply-To: <20031021195509.GM14973@rednote.net> References: <20031020155537.GI7677@rednote.net> <200310202018.h9KKIwA11721@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <20031020221535.GO15678@rednote.net> <20031021103637.A32367@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <20031021153719.GK9683@rednote.net> <20031021133901.A6152@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <20031021193429.GK14973@rednote.net> <20031021195509.GM14973@rednote.net> Message-ID: <1066766968.7859.118.camel@binkley> On Tue, 2003-10-21 at 15:55, Janina Sajka wrote: > Oh, it's clear RH has no intention. What is now also clear is that the > reasoning is highly suspect. In fact, prejudicial against persons with > disabilities. Not hard to make that case from this thread. > > It will come back on RH, though. This isn't going away. Just as the > discriminatory practices with RCE isn't going away. The RCE issue is a > lurking ADA legal issue. The kernel accessibility issue will be back. > Perhaps only upstream. But, we're not going away. > Hey, Hey, Careful bandying about the ADA as a defense. It could be an issue - but if reasonable accommodations are made then it is not an issue. Moreover if the non-ada compliance limited every piece of software from being released then you'd never get any software released, ever. I think disability-compliance is very important,(I take careful notice of places where ada non-compliance is downright dangerous, especially for the deaf) but I also think that if you're going to do fix code then it needs to be done in such a way that the people who have to maintain the code won't cringe everytime they have to think about it. >From what I've read here the red hat kernel folks seem edgy about the implementation. -sv From kaboom at gatech.edu Tue Oct 21 20:11:42 2003 From: kaboom at gatech.edu (Chris Ricker) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 16:11:42 -0400 (EDT) Subject: lilo vs grub In-Reply-To: References: <3F931F56.4050400@bol.com.br> <20031020165549.GC12274@rednote.net> <1066708062.2070.5.camel@bettie.internal.frields.org> <200310210941.13704.tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie> <1066744109.24096.17.camel@jeremy.dtcc.cc.nc.us> Message-ID: On Tue, 21 Oct 2003, Alexandre Oliva wrote: > On Oct 21, 2003, Jeremy Portzer wrote: > > > Use the "--once" flag to the "savedefault" command. > > Talking of this feature, how does it work in a raid1 scenario, in both > grub and lilo? I'm genuinely curious. How's it even related? They're orthogonal. savedefault --once just says boot the specified stanza by default next time only (just like lilo -R does, with the difference that lilo -R is documented ;-) later, chris From fedora at warmcat.com Tue Oct 21 20:14:02 2003 From: fedora at warmcat.com (Andy Green) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 21:14:02 +0100 Subject: gthumb caused repeated crashes with nautilus In-Reply-To: <1066767025.10691.9.camel@blue.comcast.net> References: <200310210922.40091.elwoo@videotron.ca> <200310211556.59531.elwoo@videotron.ca> <1066767025.10691.9.camel@blue.comcast.net> Message-ID: <200310212114.02279.fedora@warmcat.com> On Tuesday 21 October 2003 21:10, Clifford Snow wrote: > I tried tuxracer and found that my mouse pointer didn't seem to work. > Tracking was delayed. Not sure what is normal. Tuxracer was never my > favorite game so I'm not sure how to use the pointer or if I should be > using the keyboard. That's what you get if you're using software OpenGL rendering... that's how fast your screen is updating! Only the proprietary driver from nVidia delivers the accellerated OpenGL AFAIK. -Andy From don.vanco at agilysys.com Tue Oct 21 20:15:53 2003 From: don.vanco at agilysys.com (Vanco, Don) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 16:15:53 -0400 Subject: rhn_register problem Message-ID: Alexandre Oliva wrote: > On Oct 21, 2003, Thiago Vinhas de Moraes > wrote: > >> socket.herror: (1, 'Host desconhecido') > > Host unknown? I'd guess your DNS resolver is not working. Can you > resolve any other names from this machine? This is (at least part of) bug: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=107548 ...you can even set /etc/hosts to resolve your hostname to the loopback IP and it fails Don From elwoo at videotron.ca Tue Oct 21 20:18:18 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 16:18:18 -0400 Subject: gthumb caused repeated crashes with nautilus In-Reply-To: <1066767025.10691.9.camel@blue.comcast.net> References: <200310210922.40091.elwoo@videotron.ca> <200310211556.59531.elwoo@videotron.ca> <1066767025.10691.9.camel@blue.comcast.net> Message-ID: <200310211618.18934.elwoo@videotron.ca> On October 21, 2003 04:10 pm, Clifford Snow , > wrote: > > > Suggest you try the generic nVidia driver. > > > > With the nv driver insitead of "nvidia", then I'm back to the > > stuttering mouse pointer in Tuxracer! :-( > > > > Elton 8>\ (...damned if I do, damned if I don't? ) > > I tried tuxracer and found that my mouse pointer didn't seem to work. > Tracking was delayed. Not sure what is normal. Tuxracer was never my > favorite game so I'm not sure how to use the pointer or if I should be > using the keyboard. You *need* to install the nVidia drivers to run Tuxracer, othewise the mouse pointer is uncontrollable. The game is played by using the keyboard, but the initial load uses the mouse to select game levels and options. I reported this as a bug several betas ago (pre- shrike, IIRC). As per your suggestion, I re-edited my /etc/X11/XF86Config file, and reverted to the "nv" drivers. Nautilus *still* crashes. Again, refer to: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=107652 Elton. -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From marguz at ameritech.net Tue Oct 21 20:21:16 2003 From: marguz at ameritech.net (Mark Guzzo) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 15:21:16 -0500 Subject: CD burner question Message-ID: <1066767675.3256.4.camel@LORDLINUX.global.shsystem.org> Hi all, I'm looking at buying a CD burner and would like to know if anyone here knows that it will work in Linux. TDK velocd rewriter It's USB 2.0/USB 1.1 Mark From yinyang at eburg.com Tue Oct 21 20:23:50 2003 From: yinyang at eburg.com (Gordon Messmer) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 13:23:50 -0700 Subject: vote for Lilo In-Reply-To: <3F947AAE.9020404@rackable.com> References: <20031020190524.2618.qmail@web40302.mail.yahoo.com> <3F94462D.5050205@eburg.com> <3F947AAE.9020404@rackable.com> Message-ID: <3F9595D6.8040608@eburg.com> Samuel Flory wrote: > Gordon Messmer wrote: > >> Don't put /boot on a RAID partition... simple. I don't believe that >> either Grub or LILO are going to work reliably on any RAID type other >> than RAID 1. > > > Lilo in RH 9 works great on RAID1 arrays. That's what I said. Either Grub or LILO should work on RAID 1, but I don't believe that either will work with RAID 0 or 5. > Unlike with grub the RH 9 > installer installed lilo to both drives. How'd it do that? I confess that I've not used RH 9 with LILO, but I'm not aware of any special directives that would make that work. Lilo, like grub is normally installed to the MBR of a drive. RAID devices will not include that, so perhaps you installed to the superblock of your partition? That should work with both grub and LILO, but both will need another boot loader on the MBR to chain boot them from their location at the superblock on the RAID partition. From paul at all-the-johnsons.co.uk Tue Oct 21 20:26:48 2003 From: paul at all-the-johnsons.co.uk (Paul) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 21:26:48 +0100 Subject: CD burner question In-Reply-To: <1066767675.3256.4.camel@LORDLINUX.global.shsystem.org> References: <1066767675.3256.4.camel@LORDLINUX.global.shsystem.org> Message-ID: <1066768008.2695.0.camel@T6.linux> Hi, > TDK velocd rewriter > It's USB 2.0/USB 1.1 Should be okay. TTFN Paul -- One OS to fool them all One browser to find them One email client to bring them all And through security holes, blind them... From alan at redhat.com Tue Oct 21 20:35:55 2003 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 16:35:55 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Speakup in kernel In-Reply-To: <20031021195509.GM14973@rednote.net> from "Janina Sajka" at Hyd 21, 2003 03:55:09 Message-ID: <200310212035.h9LKZtx14722@devserv.devel.redhat.com> > Oh, it's clear RH has no intention. What is now also clear is that the > reasoning is highly suspect. In fact, prejudicial against persons with > disabilities. Not hard to make that case from this thread. The open software world is built around doing things right. The question isn't about "do we support blind users" its about "how do we do it right". The questions about things like the removal of serial ports from new PC's have to be answered meaningfully From elwoo at videotron.ca Tue Oct 21 20:36:36 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 16:36:36 -0400 Subject: CD burner question In-Reply-To: <1066767675.3256.4.camel@LORDLINUX.global.shsystem.org> References: <1066767675.3256.4.camel@LORDLINUX.global.shsystem.org> Message-ID: <200310211636.36326.elwoo@videotron.ca> On October 21, 2003 04:21 pm, Mark Guzzo , > wrote: > Hi all, > > I'm looking at buying a CD burner and would like to know if anyone here > knows that it will work in Linux. > > TDK velocd rewriter > It's USB 2.0/USB 1.1 > > Mark Does *this* link answer your question? ---> http://www.qbik.ch/usb/devices/showdevcat.php?id=11&o=500&w=t&s=v&d=a I strongly suggest adding this site to your bookmarks: Linux USB Device Overview http://www.qbik.ch/usb/devices/index.php HTH Elton ;-) -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From alan at redhat.com Tue Oct 21 20:38:12 2003 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 16:38:12 -0400 (EDT) Subject: lilo vs grub In-Reply-To: from "Alexandre Oliva" at Hyd 21, 2003 05:29:05 Message-ID: <200310212038.h9LKcDj15913@devserv.devel.redhat.com> > Can you define `properly' in the light of the long e-mail I posted > about this the other day? > > http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/2003-October/msg02399.html Lilo boot works with suitable bioses if either drive fails. Reading the IBM grub articles and the docs suggests that Grub can be persuaded to do the same but isnt currently From alan at redhat.com Tue Oct 21 20:41:01 2003 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 16:41:01 -0400 (EDT) Subject: linux accessibility issues / Assistive Technology, etc. In-Reply-To: <1066763936.7859.101.camel@binkley> from "seth vidal" at Hyd 21, 2003 03:18:56 Message-ID: <200310212041.h9LKf1I17973@devserv.devel.redhat.com> > On Tue, 2003-10-21 at 11:09, Elton Woo wrote: > > What moves are afoot to make linux truly user friendly for handicapped > > users? I'm thinking of usablity for blind users (auditory and visual clues), > > amputees (voice input), the deaf (speech output), etc... > > /me wonders how speech output would be useful for the deaf. :) > my girlfriend is deaf and I'd never think of having speech output from > the computer as useful :) That aside there are several things going on in the desktop space. Gnome people (particularly Sun) have been building a complete accessibility layer for the Gnome widgets and applications. In Dublin they were able to demonstrate navigation by buttons and head trackers and output via braille keyboards and speech engines. Some of the work still rests on the app designer (not using audio only cues, making the app custom widgets accessible etc) From dsavage at peaknet.net Tue Oct 21 20:47:21 2003 From: dsavage at peaknet.net (dsavage at peaknet.net) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 15:47:21 -0500 (CDT) Subject: vote for Lilo In-Reply-To: <3F9595D6.8040608@eburg.com> References: <20031020190524.2618.qmail@web40302.mail.yahoo.com> <3F94462D.5050205@eburg.com> <3F947AAE.9020404@rackable.com> <3F9595D6.8040608@eburg.com> Message-ID: <58704.140.175.214.36.1066769241.squirrel@www.peaknet.net> On Tuesday October 21, 2003 Gordon Messmer wrote: > Samuel Flory wrote: >> Gordon Messmer wrote: >> >>> Don't put /boot on a RAID partition... simple. I don't believe that >>> either Grub or LILO are going to work reliably on any RAID type other >>> than RAID 1. >> >> >> Lilo in RH 9 works great on RAID1 arrays. > > That's what I said. Either Grub or LILO should work on RAID 1, but I > don't believe that either will work with RAID 0 or 5. > >> Unlike with grub the RH 9 >> installer installed lilo to both drives. > > How'd it do that? I confess that I've not used RH 9 with LILO, but I'm > not aware of any special directives that would make that work. Lilo, > like grub is normally installed to the MBR of a drive. RAID devices > will not include that, so perhaps you installed to the superblock of > your partition? That should work with both grub and LILO, but both will > need another boot loader on the MBR to chain boot them from their > location at the superblock on the RAID partition. Just for the sake of clarity, you *are* discussing software RAID, aren't you? With firmware cards (e.g., AMI MegaRAID), Linux will boot from any RAID level you choose with either LILO or GRUB. --Doc Savage Fairview Heights, IL From ba at linuxin.dk Tue Oct 21 20:53:30 2003 From: ba at linuxin.dk (Bjorn Andersen) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 22:53:30 +0200 Subject: Games doesent work in Fedora test 3 In-Reply-To: <1066760272.4491.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <3F95769F.3080502@linuxin.dk> <1066760272.4491.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <3F959CCA.4060206@linuxin.dk> Steve Bergman skrev: >On Tue, 2003-10-21 at 13:10, Bjorn Andersen wrote: > > >>Hi >>I just tryed to install som games in Fedora Test 3. >>The games was: >> >>Enemy Teritory >>Unreal Tournament >>Americas Army 1.9 >>Unreal Tournament 2003 >> >>My hardware is: >>Intell P4 2.4 HT >>Nvidia FX 5600, and i have OpenGL working (I did export "CC=gcc32" ) >> >>The only game that cold start, was the old Unreal Tournament :-( >>All other exited without to show any graphics. >> >>Has anyone submittet at bug report in bugzilla for this? >> >>Best Regards >>Bjorn Andersen >> >> > >EXPORT LD_ASSUME_KERNEL=2.2.5 perhaps? > > > Does not work! Best Regards Bjorn Andersen -- Linux Because making UNIX user friendly is easier then debugging Windows From ba at linuxin.dk Tue Oct 21 20:57:19 2003 From: ba at linuxin.dk (Bjorn Andersen) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 22:57:19 +0200 Subject: Games doesent work in Fedora test 3 In-Reply-To: References: <3F95769F.3080502@linuxin.dk> Message-ID: <3F959DAF.60305@linuxin.dk> Mike A. Harris skrev: >On Tue, 21 Oct 2003, Bjorn Andersen wrote: > > > >>I just tryed to install som games in Fedora Test 3. >>The games was: >> >>Enemy Teritory >>Unreal Tournament >>Americas Army 1.9 >>Unreal Tournament 2003 >> >>My hardware is: >>Intell P4 2.4 HT >>Nvidia FX 5600, and i have OpenGL working (I did export "CC=gcc32" ) >> >>The only game that cold start, was the old Unreal Tournament :-( >>All other exited without to show any graphics. >> >>Has anyone submittet at bug report in bugzilla for this? >> >> > >Nvidia's binary proprietary drivers are unsupported, so unless >this problem is reproduceable using the "nv" driver, or using >alternate video hardware with stock provided/supported video >drivers, it will most likely be closed as a duplicate of bug >number 73733 along with the other 400 or so dupes. ;o) > > > HMMM, if all newer OpenGL games doesent work under Fedora, and everybuddy doesent care, then we will newer get great games for (Fedora/RedHat) Linux :-( -- Linux Because making UNIX user friendly is easier then debugging Windows From aoliva at redhat.com Tue Oct 21 20:57:29 2003 From: aoliva at redhat.com (Alexandre Oliva) Date: 21 Oct 2003 18:57:29 -0200 Subject: lilo vs grub In-Reply-To: References: <3F931F56.4050400@bol.com.br> <20031020165549.GC12274@rednote.net> <1066708062.2070.5.camel@bettie.internal.frields.org> <200310210941.13704.tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie> <1066744109.24096.17.camel@jeremy.dtcc.cc.nc.us> Message-ID: On Oct 21, 2003, Chris Ricker wrote: > On Tue, 21 Oct 2003, Alexandre Oliva wrote: >> On Oct 21, 2003, Jeremy Portzer wrote: >> >> > Use the "--once" flag to the "savedefault" command. >> >> Talking of this feature, how does it work in a raid1 scenario, in both >> grub and lilo? I'm genuinely curious. > How's it even related? They're orthogonal. savedefault --once just says boot > the specified stanza by default next time only (just like lilo -R does, with > the difference that lilo -R is documented ;-) Well, you have to record somewhere the fact that you've already booted that way once. If you write it to only one of the raid1 replicas, they become inconsistent, and who knows what you'll get next time you read from that block in the raid set? Worse: if there's no resync to get them on the same page, if primary fails, you may get surprisingly booted to something other than what you expected. -- Alexandre Oliva Enjoy Guarana', see http://www.ic.unicamp.br/~oliva/ Red Hat GCC Developer aoliva@{redhat.com, gcc.gnu.org} CS PhD student at IC-Unicamp oliva@{lsd.ic.unicamp.br, gnu.org} Free Software Evangelist Professional serial bug killer From aoliva at redhat.com Tue Oct 21 20:58:30 2003 From: aoliva at redhat.com (Alexandre Oliva) Date: 21 Oct 2003 18:58:30 -0200 Subject: lilo vs grub In-Reply-To: <200310212038.h9LKcDj15913@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <200310212038.h9LKcDj15913@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: On Oct 21, 2003, Alan Cox wrote: >> Can you define `properly' in the light of the long e-mail I posted >> about this the other day? >> >> http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/2003-October/msg02399.html > Lilo boot works with suitable bioses if either drive fails. Even if the disk geometries are different, and the raid members are in different partition numbers and/or different locations in the entire disk? If so, how many raid1 replicas can it support? -- Alexandre Oliva Enjoy Guarana', see http://www.ic.unicamp.br/~oliva/ Red Hat GCC Developer aoliva@{redhat.com, gcc.gnu.org} CS PhD student at IC-Unicamp oliva@{lsd.ic.unicamp.br, gnu.org} Free Software Evangelist Professional serial bug killer From thompsma at colorado.edu Tue Oct 21 21:00:03 2003 From: thompsma at colorado.edu (The Matt) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 15:00:03 -0600 Subject: vote for Lilo In-Reply-To: <58704.140.175.214.36.1066769241.squirrel@www.peaknet.net> References: <20031020190524.2618.qmail@web40302.mail.yahoo.com> <3F94462D.5050205@eburg.com> <3F947AAE.9020404@rackable.com> <3F9595D6.8040608@eburg.com> <58704.140.175.214.36.1066769241.squirrel@www.peaknet.net> Message-ID: <1066770003.24203.34.camel@ixion.colorado.edu> Since everyone else seems to have weighed in on this, I'd vote for lilo being included somewhere. The reason isn't that I like lilo, I really, really don't. The reason is I want it is I HAVE to use lilo thanks to my...how to be nice...quirky box. When I upgraded my box to Fedora 0.95 (clean install, mind you), I and a more knowledgeable co-worker spent, oh, 10-12 reboots with CD #1's "linux rescue" trying to get grub to boot. I did a setup (hd0), setup (hd1) and all sub (hd?,?). We tried various tricks from various web pages that purported to work. In the end, due to the rather craptacular BIOS on this box, there is essentially no way for us to get grub to work (and, say, boot off a floppy or CD in an emergency...it's that bad). Lilo on the other hand just seems to work. Thankfully the RH 9 lilo plays nicely with Fedora. Now, if only my kernel, et al, weren't bigger than 1.44 MB, life would be good. Kinda sad having a 650 MB CD-RW as a bootdisk. Cool...but sort of a waste. Just my two cents as to why lilo might be good to have as an extra or the like. -- I am a theoretical chemist. Fear me! Please. 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A lot of more industrial bioses will try hda, see it has failed and try hdc. Providing each lilo is mapping the raid copy on that disk, not the other copies it works well. From johnsonm at redhat.com Tue Oct 21 21:09:39 2003 From: johnsonm at redhat.com (Michael K. Johnson) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 17:09:39 -0400 Subject: Speakup in kernel In-Reply-To: <20031021193429.GK14973@rednote.net>; from janina@rednote.net on Tue, Oct 21, 2003 at 03:34:29PM -0400 References: <20031020155537.GI7677@rednote.net> <200310202018.h9KKIwA11721@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <20031020221535.GO15678@rednote.net> <20031021103637.A32367@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <20031021153719.GK9683@rednote.net> <20031021133901.A6152@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <20031021193429.GK14973@rednote.net> Message-ID: <20031021170939.A20259@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Tue, Oct 21, 2003 at 03:34:29PM -0400, Janina Sajka wrote: > But, you said "multiple issues, including security." What else, please? > With documentation, please. You've seen Alan's list by now. But what part of "we are tracking upstream" and "submit it upstream" is hard to understand? Fedora Core is not a place to put software that YOU DO NOT THINK IS READY FOR UPSTREAM. Period. Really, if you think that it's not good enough for upstream but is good enough for the FC kernel, what does that say about your opinion of the FC kernel? Pretty poor. >Put up, Michael. I've got a lot of goals. And, if your memory isn't horribly short, you may remember me jumping in on a random piece of code outside my area of expertise to help enable blind use, for which you thanked me at the time. You may not remember that I was the one who got the original blinux-list set up. I'm not some anti-disabled bigot here, and I'd appreciate it if you'd lay off the rhetoric. (If you don't, I can find a place in my .procmailrc for you, frankly.) It is my responsibility to balance many competing demands. The rules I have come up with to balance those demands are the result of experience, and the upstream rule is one such rule. michaelkjohnson "He that composes himself is wiser than he that composes a book." Linux Application Development -- Ben Franklin http://people.redhat.com/johnsonm/lad/ From jkeating at j2solutions.net Tue Oct 21 21:09:57 2003 From: jkeating at j2solutions.net (Jesse Keating) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 14:09:57 -0700 Subject: Games doesent work in Fedora test 3 In-Reply-To: <3F959DAF.60305@linuxin.dk> References: <3F95769F.3080502@linuxin.dk> <3F959DAF.60305@linuxin.dk> Message-ID: <200310211410.02540.jkeating@j2solutions.net> On Tuesday 21 October 2003 13:57, Bjorn Andersen wrote: > HMMM, if all newer OpenGL games doesent work under Fedora, and > everybuddy doesent care, then we will newer get great games for > (Fedora/RedHat) Linux :-( Oh we can care, but we can't do much about it, since we don't write the nvidia binary drivers. Nvidia has never supported beta releases of Linux distributions. Fedora Core is still in beta. Once Fedora Core 1 is released, then you can expect some support from Nvidia, and have a better argument when you contact nvidia for help. Until then, tough. -- Jesse Keating RHCE MCSE (geek.j2solutions.net) Fedora Legacy Team (www.fedora.us/wiki/FedoraLegacy) Mondo DevTeam (www.mondorescue.org) GPG Public Key (geek.j2solutions.net/jkeating.j2solutions.pub) Was I helpful? Let others know: http://svcs.affero.net/rm.php?r=jkeating -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: signature URL: From kai.thomsen at gmx.de Tue Oct 21 21:29:47 2003 From: kai.thomsen at gmx.de (Kai Thomsen) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 23:29:47 +0200 Subject: rhn_register problem In-Reply-To: <1066753462.8640.2.camel@techbyte.com.br> References: <1066753462.8640.2.camel@techbyte.com.br> Message-ID: <20031021232947.3cbe2a53.kai.thomsen@gmx.de> On Tue, 21 Oct 2003 14:24:23 -0200, Thiago Vinhas de Moraes wrote: > I'm trying to register to the RHN, and got the following error: > > [...] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=107548 --Kai From aoliva at redhat.com Tue Oct 21 21:35:22 2003 From: aoliva at redhat.com (Alexandre Oliva) Date: 21 Oct 2003 19:35:22 -0200 Subject: lilo vs grub In-Reply-To: <200310212100.h9LL0Ir30104@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <200310212100.h9LL0Ir30104@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: On Oct 21, 2003, Alan Cox wrote: >> >> http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/2003-October/msg02399.html >> >> > Lilo boot works with suitable bioses if either drive fails. >> >> Even if the disk geometries are different, and the raid members are in >> different partition numbers and/or different locations in the entire >> disk? If so, how many raid1 replicas can it support? > It really depends on the BIOS. A lot of more industrial bioses will try > hda, see it has failed and try hdc. Providing each lilo is mapping the > raid copy on that disk, not the other copies it works well. Then I don't see how it could possibly work in the case of installing the boot loader in a partition, instead of in the MBR, if the replicas happen to be in different locations within the disk. Unless it stores the mappings for all different replicas, and it actually knows which replica it's booting from. This is one of the tricky cases I pointed out in my e-mail above. If lilo doesn't support this, claiming it supports raid1 is misleading at best. I can believe it supports one particular case of raid1, that happens to be one of the common cases, but I very much doubt any boot loader can support the other cases I pointed out, simply because there's only so much code+information you can store in the boot sector, and to get more info you have to be able to know where to get it from. Now let's go back to the industrial bioses you mentioned. Ok, hda failed, so the bios tries hdc. lilo has to know it has to load from hdc as well, right? But how does it know which number it should use? If it reads from disk 0x80, it may get failures for reading from hda, or it may be getting sectors from the remapped hdc. Now assume it got it right, and worked. But then, I want to replace the broken hda. So I insert a new disk there, and voila, can't reboot. Oh, it's different from that? The bios won't remap the disks? Then how is lilo going to know to boot off hdc (say 0x81) in the first place? And if it does, when I remove the broken disk, hdc will become 0x80, and the system will no longer boot. And this is all assuming the partitions are actually at the same locations in the disks. So, what's really the point of being smart about raid1 /boot? You really can't tell how the BIOS is going to react, or how you plan on recovering from the failure of the primary boot disk. It's always guessing, and where's guessing, there's room for mistakes. I'd much rather know how perfectly well what my disaster-recovery scenario is and be prepared for that. This means I have to set it up myself with the assumptions I know I can make. Anything else is misleading at best. IMNSHO :-) -- Alexandre Oliva Enjoy Guarana', see http://www.ic.unicamp.br/~oliva/ Red Hat GCC Developer aoliva@{redhat.com, gcc.gnu.org} CS PhD student at IC-Unicamp oliva@{lsd.ic.unicamp.br, gnu.org} Free Software Evangelist Professional serial bug killer From ms-nospam-0306 at arcor.de Tue Oct 21 21:44:09 2003 From: ms-nospam-0306 at arcor.de (Michael Schwendt) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 23:44:09 +0200 Subject: EVERYTHING fails compiling In-Reply-To: <3F95866C.7000005@web.de> References: <3F953D97.3000906@web.de> <20031021175133.2546e3f3.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de> <3F95866C.7000005@web.de> Message-ID: <20031021234409.5e12f616.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, 21 Oct 2003 21:18:04 +0200, Christoph Wickert wrote: > >>I've been updating to the latest rawhide-packages yesterday. > >>Whenever I try to compile something, no matter if it's just a small > >>goodie or a huge app, I get > >> > >>#make[1]: Entering directory `/home/raoul/develope/blabla' > >>#make[1]: Nothing to do for target ?all?. > >>#make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/raoul/develope/blabla' > >> > >>Of corse it's not finished and 'make install' also fails, no files are > >>copied. > >> > >>Any ideas? I think I've been updating to a new version of gcc-3.2 yesterday. > >> > >> > > > >The quoted output of "make" is not enough, since it doesn't include > >any error messages. > > > Well, there are no errors! Have a look at > http://wickert.gmxhome.de/nohup1.out > (just as an example) I can't reproduce that (with mosfet-liquid0.9.6pre3) and fully updated Severn, neither with German nor English locale. The diff between the output I get upon running "./configure" and your nohup1.out consists of just the three "make" lines at the bottom. :) $ rpm -q make gcc make-3.79.1-18 gcc-3.3.1-6 - -- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/laip0iMVcrivHFQRAldvAJ9Ha6hE0IRkSsP3OK8PXwW2NQM2BwCggqni njg3dmYHaGt+j9xRNZxHI28= =mNm9 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From jrb at redhat.com Tue Oct 21 21:46:13 2003 From: jrb at redhat.com (Jonathan Blandford) Date: 21 Oct 2003 17:46:13 -0400 Subject: Speakup in kernel In-Reply-To: <20031021195509.GM14973@rednote.net> References: <20031020155537.GI7677@rednote.net> <200310202018.h9KKIwA11721@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <20031020221535.GO15678@rednote.net> <20031021103637.A32367@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <20031021153719.GK9683@rednote.net> <20031021133901.A6152@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <20031021193429.GK14973@rednote.net> <20031021195509.GM14973@rednote.net> Message-ID: Janina Sajka writes: > Oh, it's clear RH has no intention. What is now also clear is that the > reasoning is highly suspect. In fact, prejudicial against persons with > disabilities. Not hard to make that case from this thread. That's not fair, Janina -- we care a lot about making Linux accessible. I was disappointed too to see speakup not make Fedora Core, but I've seen the kernel team on this list consistently complain about the implementation of that patch. I don't feel particularly qualified to tell the kernel guys here what is and isn't good code, and have to defer to them. They are right on one aspect though -- this patch really needs to make it upstream. We would never accept the current GNOME Accessibility framework as a patch. Like most similarly-sized endeavors, it took a long time to get it fully integrated in GNOME, but it was definitely worth the effort as every distribution shipping GNOME gets imporved Accessibility support "for free." -Jonathan From pekkas at netcore.fi Tue Oct 21 21:55:02 2003 From: pekkas at netcore.fi (Pekka Savola) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 00:55:02 +0300 (EEST) Subject: lilo vs grub In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 21 Oct 2003, Alexandre Oliva wrote: [...] > Now let's go back to the industrial bioses you mentioned. Ok, hda > failed, so the bios tries hdc. lilo has to know it has to load from > hdc as well, right? But how does it know which number it should use? > If it reads from disk 0x80, it may get failures for reading from hda, > or it may be getting sectors from the remapped hdc. Now assume it got > it right, and worked. But then, I want to replace the broken hda. So > I insert a new disk there, and voila, can't reboot. [...] Uhh.. is this really a problem? If you re-add a disk after a failure, I'd suppose the user would be intelligent enough to change the boot sequence in the bios to actually skip hda :-). Of course, if there is no useful data to use for booting on HDA (e.g. brand new drive), the BIOS will just skip it and try the next drive in the boot order. Around RHL 6.1 or so (2-3 years ago), I did a lot of experimenting with software-RAID1 on root partition, including plugging off hda, doing some hard drive power disconnecting on the flight etc. -- it worked just fine once you had figured out how to get lilo installed properly on both the drives. When I removed hda drive, lilo would get booted up from hdc without any user interaction. IMHO, it's not *in practice* such a complex thing, I think! -- Pekka Savola "You each name yourselves king, yet the Netcore Oy kingdom bleeds." Systems. Networks. Security. -- George R.R. Martin: A Clash of Kings From xose at wanadoo.es Tue Oct 21 22:04:29 2003 From: xose at wanadoo.es (Xose Vazquez Perez) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 00:04:29 +0200 Subject: Fedora Core test3 on Latitude D800 [report] References: Message-ID: <3F95AD6D.3020606@wanadoo.es> Terje Bless wrote: > The current tg3 in FC1t3 doesn't have the PCI ID for the chip in question, and > IIRC it needs updated code to fully support this chip. You either need the > bcm5700 driver from >  or > to get the > latest version  or you need the tg3 driver from linux 2.6.0-test4[0]. latest tg3 release supports _all_ tigon3 chips, more than broadcom driver. Get latest release(2.2) from 2.4.23-preX or http://people.redhat.com/jgarzik/tg3/ -- HTML mails are going to trash automatically From christoph.wickert at web.de Tue Oct 21 22:13:16 2003 From: christoph.wickert at web.de (Christoph Wickert) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 00:13:16 +0200 Subject: Gnome and KDE: Start new Session button? Message-ID: <3F95AF7C.6050303@web.de> Hi! Usually both kde (since 3.1.2 I think) and gnome (since 2.2) have a button "Start new session" which opens a new gdm or kdm on F8-F10. Why are these buttons not on fedora? I think they are very usefull. Christoph -- "Wenn zu perfekt - Gott b?se." Nam June Paik _______________________________ Christoph Wickert mailto:christoph.wickert at web.de From xose at wanadoo.es Tue Oct 21 22:10:12 2003 From: xose at wanadoo.es (Xose Vazquez Perez) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 00:10:12 +0200 Subject: video card: comments please? References: <200310211032.32092.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <3F95AEC4.5070102@wanadoo.es> Elton Woo wrote: > I'm not familiar with MSI products, but this looks like a good deal > as far as price and features: > > MSI GFX FX5200-TD128 AGP8X > http://www.infocomputer.ca/Storefront/Item.asp?ItemID=1848 Linux 2.4 doesn't support AGP 8X, max is 4X. IMO ATI _radeon_ is a safe and better inversion. -- HTML mails are going to trash automatically From johan.dahl at ling.lu.se Tue Oct 21 22:17:30 2003 From: johan.dahl at ling.lu.se (Johan Dahl) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 00:17:30 +0200 Subject: Sound is not working Message-ID: <3F95B07A.7070007@ling.lu.se> Hi I have a computer with a onboard C-media Electronics CM8730 audio chip. Under Fedora Test 3 with the latest updates from rawhide is it absolutely silent. It works under Windows XP. It is detected and module cmpci is loaded $ /sbin/lspci 00:00.0 Host bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8366/A/7 [Apollo KT266/A/333] 00:01.0 PCI bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8366/A/7 [Apollo KT266/A/333 AGP] 00:05.0 Multimedia audio controller: C-Media Electronics Inc CM8738 (rev 10) .. $ /sbin/lsmod Module Size Used by Not tainted loop 12344 0 cmpci 38804 1 (autoclean) gameport 3380 0 (autoclean) [cmpci] soundcore 6500 4 (autoclean) [cmpci] Anyone having any ideas why it doesn't work With regards Johan Dahl From pboy at barkhof.uni-bremen.de Tue Oct 21 22:19:33 2003 From: pboy at barkhof.uni-bremen.de (Peter Boy) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 00:19:33 +0200 Subject: video card: comments please? In-Reply-To: <200310211032.32092.elwoo@videotron.ca> References: <200310211032.32092.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <1066774773.5410.5.camel@ibmLaptop.athome.de> Am Di, den 21.10.2003 schrieb Elton Woo um 16:32: > I'm not familiar with MSI products, but this looks like a good deal > as far as price and features: > > MSI GFX FX5200-TD128 AGP8X > http://www.infocomputer.ca/Storefront/Item.asp?ItemID=1848 > > Opinions, comments, please? I'm considering to buy a new graphics card, too. The MSI GFX is based on a nvidea chip. Im read a lot about problems with nvidea drivers. May be better to buy a ATI controller or a Matrox? Peter From davej at redhat.com Tue Oct 21 22:22:38 2003 From: davej at redhat.com (Dave Jones) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 23:22:38 +0100 Subject: Fedora Core test3 on Latitude D800 [report] In-Reply-To: <3F95AD6D.3020606@wanadoo.es> References: <3F95AD6D.3020606@wanadoo.es> Message-ID: <20031021222237.GA1528@redhat.com> On Wed, Oct 22, 2003 at 12:04:29AM +0200, Xose Vazquez Perez wrote: > > The current tg3 in FC1t3 doesn't have the PCI ID for the chip in question, and > > IIRC it needs updated code to fully support this chip. You either need the > > bcm5700 driver from > >  or > > to get the > > latest version  or you need the tg3 driver from linux 2.6.0-test4[0]. > > latest tg3 release supports _all_ tigon3 chips, more than broadcom driver. > Get latest release(2.2) from 2.4.23-preX or http://people.redhat.com/jgarzik/tg3/ For info, there's a very large update going to be in the next rawhide kernel, it'd be great if you could let me know if that works or not. Dave -- Dave Jones http://www.codemonkey.org.uk From jwendel at fnmoc.navy.mil Tue Oct 21 22:31:34 2003 From: jwendel at fnmoc.navy.mil (John Wendel) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 15:31:34 -0700 Subject: video card: comments please? In-Reply-To: <3F95AEC4.5070102@wanadoo.es> References: <200310211032.32092.elwoo@videotron.ca> <3F95AEC4.5070102@wanadoo.es> Message-ID: <20031021153134.1b57352e.jwendel@fnmoc.navy.mil> On Wed, 22 Oct 2003 00:10:12 +0200 -- Xose Vazquez Perez wrote: > Elton Woo wrote: > > I'm not familiar with MSI products, but this looks like a good deal > > as far as price and features: > > > > MSI GFX FX5200-TD128 AGP8X > > http://www.infocomputer.ca/Storefront/Item.asp?ItemID=1848 > > Linux 2.4 doesn't support AGP 8X, max is 4X. > IMO ATI _radeon_ is a safe and better inversion. > The Nvidia drives do AGP 8X just fine, at least on my box. -- John Wendel From xose at wanadoo.es Tue Oct 21 22:32:09 2003 From: xose at wanadoo.es (Xose Vazquez Perez) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 00:32:09 +0200 Subject: video card: comments please? References: <200310211032.32092.elwoo@videotron.ca> <1066774773.5410.5.camel@ibmLaptop.athome.de> Message-ID: <3F95B3E9.20707@wanadoo.es> Peter Boy wrote: > I'm considering to buy a new graphics card, too. The MSI GFX is based on > a nvidea chip. Im read a lot about problems with nvidea drivers. May be > better to buy a ATI controller or a Matrox? which do you think? ;-) http://redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2003-October/msg00862.html -- HTML mails are going to trash automatically From xose at wanadoo.es Tue Oct 21 22:38:58 2003 From: xose at wanadoo.es (Xose Vazquez Perez) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 00:38:58 +0200 Subject: video card: comments please? References: <200310211032.32092.elwoo@videotron.ca> <3F95AEC4.5070102@wanadoo.es> <20031021153134.1b57352e.jwendel@fnmoc.navy.mil> Message-ID: <3F95B582.2060909@wanadoo.es> John Wendel wrote: > The Nvidia drives do AGP 8X just fine, at least on my box. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ I was talking about Linux kernel and FOSS :-) http://linux.derkeiler.com/Mailing-Lists/Kernel/2003-09/7351.html http://www.ussg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0306.1/0789.html -- HTML mails are going to trash automatically From paul at frields.com Tue Oct 21 22:43:25 2003 From: paul at frields.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 18:43:25 -0400 Subject: lilo vs grub In-Reply-To: <015401c39791$22283ba0$2eedfea9@kittycat> References: <3F931F56.4050400@bol.com.br> <200310200838.43386.jkeating@j2solutions.net> <200310200909.47101.jkeating@j2solutions.net> <20031020165549.GC12274@rednote.net> <1066708062.2070.5.camel@bettie.internal.frields.org> <015401c39791$22283ba0$2eedfea9@kittycat> Message-ID: <1066776205.3275.1.camel@bettie.internal.frields.org> On Tue, 2003-10-21 at 01:06, jdow wrote: > From: "Paul W. Frields" > > On Mon, 2003-10-20 at 12:55, Janina Sajka wrote: > > > > > grub needs to do the same w/o requiring manual intervention. Look in > > > > > bugzilla for long bugs with lots of people subscribed to them who've > > > > > found out the hard way that when you mirror on RH w/ grub and one > > > > > disk dies, you will not boot until you hunt up a rescue disk and > > > > > figure out how to reinstall grub. > > > > > > > > Seems like a trivial enough fix, one could almost script it to call > grub > > > > for mirror grub installs. Has anybody RFE'd this to the upstream grub > > > > maintainers? > > > And I suspect my list of eyes-free features is also trivial to > > > implement--though I am not capable to do the coding. > > > > > > Point is that grub needs an expanded set of user requirements. Was there > > > evern such a process there? Or did some folks sit down to do what they > > > thought a boot loader should do? > > > > Open source works best when more people contribute to it. Certainly you > > should discuss ideas for improvement with the authors/maintainers. I'm > > not sure anyone brought up the fact that LILO has not (IIRC) been > > actively maintained for at least a couple years now. In fact, I remember > > the "lba32" directive that was so important several years ago was added > > by an interested third party who was unable to contact the original > > author/maintainer, and the results of his (the new guy's) work picked up > > by most distros because it was so necessary to LILO's continued use. > > > > GRUB is actively maintained and I would be surprised if its team wasn't > > open to your suggestions and help. But to simply hope they're reading > > this list probably isn't as effective as talking to them directly. You > > might want to check out: > > http://www.gnu.org/directory/grub.html > > So let me get this straight, Paul. Are you saying that "Maintained but > does not work" is better than "unmaintained but works?" That's a strange > sort of attitude. I guess it would be, if that had been what I was saying. -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE From aldert at vdlaan.yi.org Tue Oct 21 22:49:18 2003 From: aldert at vdlaan.yi.org (Aldert E. van der Laan) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 18:49:18 -0400 Subject: One last thing... AC97 In-Reply-To: <1066724681.5606.3.camel@zgobolos.home> References: <1066701939.6230.4.camel@vdlxws1.vdlaan.yi.org.local> <1066724681.5606.3.camel@zgobolos.home> Message-ID: <1066776558.5653.1.camel@vdlxws1.vdlaan.yi.org.local> I am just now going through the Email so pardon me for not replying sooner. The ACPI=on option caused a kernel panic. I have switched Hyperthreading on and off and booted with both kernel (SMP and non-SMP). No sound yet. On Tue, 2003-10-21 at 04:24, G??b??l??s Zolt??n wrote: > Hi! > > Did you try booting with acpi=on ? > > -- > gz > > On Tue, 2003-10-21 at 04:05, Aldert E. van der Laan wrote: > > I had quite a bit of success getting my system configured. > > > > ASUS P4S533-X with 3.06Ghz and 1Gb of Ram. > > > > It has onboard SIS stuff and the network card works now (had some issues > > with earlier builds). > > > > I am unable to get any sound out of the AC97_codec / I810_audio team. > > > > Nada, nothing no sound at all. > > > > It is now a dual boot system, but I do sincerely hope that this will get > > fixed with these OSS drivers. > > > > Has anyone here had any success with the Alsa drivers (building and > > using with Fedora Test 3?) > > > > Thanks, > > > > Aldert. > > > > > > -- > > fedora-test-list mailing list > > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From paul at frields.com Tue Oct 21 22:50:51 2003 From: paul at frields.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 18:50:51 -0400 Subject: lilo vs grub In-Reply-To: <1066744109.24096.17.camel@jeremy.dtcc.cc.nc.us> References: <3F931F56.4050400@bol.com.br> <20031020165549.GC12274@rednote.net> <1066708062.2070.5.camel@bettie.internal.frields.org> <200310210941.13704.tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie> <1066744109.24096.17.camel@jeremy.dtcc.cc.nc.us> Message-ID: <1066776651.3275.9.camel@bettie.internal.frields.org> On Tue, 2003-10-21 at 09:48, Jeremy Portzer wrote: > Please stop posting obviously incorrect comments; this is no better than > the folks who claim LILO isn't being maintained. As an aside, I did use an "IIRC" caveat, which I would say made it less of a "claim" than a "recollection." Apparently I didn't "RC," so my apologies to anyone who is involved in the effort of improving LILO. I certainly used it for many years with fine results and didn't mean to disparage anyone. -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE From paul at frields.com Tue Oct 21 22:53:31 2003 From: paul at frields.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 18:53:31 -0400 Subject: lilo vs grub In-Reply-To: <20031021054834.GA19256@nonesuch.ca.shawcable.net> References: <3F931F56.4050400@bol.com.br> <200310200838.43386.jkeating@j2solutions.net> <200310200909.47101.jkeating@j2solutions.net> <20031020165549.GC12274@rednote.net> <1066708062.2070.5.camel@bettie.internal.frields.org> <20031021054834.GA19256@nonesuch.ca.shawcable.net> Message-ID: <1066776811.3275.12.camel@bettie.internal.frields.org> On Tue, 2003-10-21 at 01:48, Jack Bowling wrote: > On Mon, Oct 20, 2003 at 11:47:43PM -0400, Paul W. Frields wrote: > [snip] > > Open source works best when more people contribute to it. Certainly you > > should discuss ideas for improvement with the authors/maintainers. I'm > > not sure anyone brought up the fact that LILO has not (IIRC) been > > actively maintained for at least a couple years now. [snip] > > Your points are all good except for one: a quick trip to freshmeat.net > and a search for lilo shows that the most recent update was Oct 10, > 2003. Certainly not a couple of years. Your one good point was better than mine in toto, it seems. :-) Thanks for the update. -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE From joe at tmsusa.com Tue Oct 21 22:56:36 2003 From: joe at tmsusa.com (joe) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 15:56:36 -0700 Subject: video card: comments please? In-Reply-To: <1066774773.5410.5.camel@ibmLaptop.athome.de> References: <200310211032.32092.elwoo@videotron.ca> <1066774773.5410.5.camel@ibmLaptop.athome.de> Message-ID: <3F95B9A4.9080808@tmsusa.com> Peter Boy wrote: >I'm considering to buy a new graphics card, too. The MSI GFX is based on >a nvidea chip. Im read a lot about problems with nvidea drivers. May be >better to buy a ATI controller or a Matrox? > Problems? Sure, lots of political issues from what I gather :( Technically, however, I haven't found any other video cards/drivers which give similar performance for linux. All of my linux workstations have nvidias - geforce 2s and tnts - all using the same driver and all rock solid - I understand some folks are offended at nvidia for controlling the development and release of their drivers rather than farming it out to the open source community, but based on the results, I don't see how I could complain - after all, nvidias linux drivers are kept up to date, their installer is linux-savvy, and the performance of their cards on linux is every bit as good as their performance on ms windows, as it should be. Unfortunately, no other video card vendor comes anywhere near this level of linux support. Joe From aldert at vdlaan.yi.org Tue Oct 21 22:58:44 2003 From: aldert at vdlaan.yi.org (Aldert E. van der Laan) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 18:58:44 -0400 Subject: One last thing... AC97 In-Reply-To: <1066725842.5978.3.camel@zgobolos.home> References: <1066701939.6230.4.camel@vdlxws1.vdlaan.yi.org.local> <1066724681.5606.3.camel@zgobolos.home> <1066725842.5978.3.camel@zgobolos.home> Message-ID: <1066777124.5653.5.camel@vdlxws1.vdlaan.yi.org.local> Is there a bug report for this? Just wondering if I can look it up. I am not sure if I follow you here, but do I need to reserve an IRQ in the bios or through the modules.conf ? Thanks for your input. Aldert. On Tue, 2003-10-21 at 04:44, G??b??l??s Zolt??n wrote: > Sorry I missed the explanation. > > I had the same problem with SIS hardware, and tried the kernel oss, the > commercial oss, and alsa, but no success. Lastly I've found the IRQ > collision on IRQ 5. The ACPI irq routing stuff solved the problem. > > > > On Tue, 2003-10-21 at 10:24, G??b??l??s Zolt??n wrote: > > Hi! > > > > Did you try booting with acpi=on ? > > > > -- > > gz > > > > > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From ivo at ra.vendomar.ee Tue Oct 21 23:02:20 2003 From: ivo at ra.vendomar.ee (Ivo Sarak) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 02:02:20 +0300 (EEST) Subject: Fedora Core 0.95 and /boot partition went bad. In-Reply-To: <1066776205.3275.1.camel@bettie.internal.frields.org> Message-ID: Hello, I am trying to get my system online again after /boot partition decided to go and corrupt itself. I do not understand what went wrong but ext3 type /boot (/dev/hda1) partition showed only carbage as a files/directories and fsck.ext3 did nothing to fix it. So I ran "mkfs.ext3 /dev/hda1" and tried system update from Fedora Core 0.95 CDs. Only little problem is that it will not update the kernel/grub configuration because it thinks that it is already installed and even making of boot floppy will fail because there is no files inside /boot directory. Are there any ideas how to force the update to install some specific packages (kernel and grub)? Regards, Ivo Sarak. From mahoover at ispaceonline.org Tue Oct 21 23:06:08 2003 From: mahoover at ispaceonline.org (Mark Hoover) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 19:06:08 -0400 Subject: lilo vs grub In-Reply-To: <20031021113415.2649.39807.Mailman@listman.back-rdu.redhat.com> References: <20031021113415.2649.39807.Mailman@listman.back-rdu.redhat.com> Message-ID: <3F95BBE0.9070501@ispaceonline.org> From: Timothy Murphy >> Dude! How could you forget the alternative of shipping with a BSD >> kernel as an option?!? > >Although I'm a grub user, I find the arguments put forward here >for grub exclusivity very odd. >Surely there _are_ many choices in RedHat/Fedora, >eg choice of browser, email and news clients, etc. >I find the idea that there is something wrong with choice bizarre. As do I....... From mahoover at ispaceonline.org Tue Oct 21 23:15:49 2003 From: mahoover at ispaceonline.org (Mark Hoover) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 19:15:49 -0400 Subject: lilo vs grub In-Reply-To: <20031021050301.15066.45148.Mailman@listman.back-rdu.redhat.com> References: <20031021050301.15066.45148.Mailman@listman.back-rdu.redhat.com> Message-ID: <3F95BE25.4090004@ispaceonline.org> From: "Paul W. Frields" >> But how can we claim to be in favor of software choice when at the >> basic level of the bootloader we can't even let there be a choice for >> those who don't want to use one or the other. > >Choice is a Good Thing. > >1. Install product with Choice A included. >2. Hate Choice A. >3. Download and install Choice B. >4. Have joy. Most times I would agree with this. However, more than one person on this list has mentioned that they *cannot* boot with Grub on their system, so the initial Grub install would render their system useless unless they had some kind of non-Grub bootable disk laying around. This is one of those circumstances where it would make life a lot easier to just have it as a selectable option. Maybe even one that shows up under an advanced options menu? -- ----------------------------------------------------- Have Fun, Suffer and Survive, or Get Lost in the Net! Mark Hoover mahoover at ispaceonline.org From mahoover at ispaceonline.org Tue Oct 21 23:18:36 2003 From: mahoover at ispaceonline.org (Mark Hoover) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 19:18:36 -0400 Subject: lilo vs grub In-Reply-To: <20031021050301.15066.45148.Mailman@listman.back-rdu.redhat.com> References: <20031021050301.15066.45148.Mailman@listman.back-rdu.redhat.com> Message-ID: <3F95BECC.5040908@ispaceonline.org> From: Jef Spaleta >> But how can we claim to be in favor of software choice when at the=20 >> basic level of the bootloader we can't even let there be a choice for >> those who don't want to use one or the other. > >Last call for the reductio ad absurdium express...all aboard.... > >let's see...basic level things we NEED choice for..well lets see >there is the kernel...we totally so need the ability to choose between >5 or 6 different kernel builds in the default installer. I'd love a big >old monolithic kernel..all that module junk just blows monkey chunks. As many multitudes of people on this list have stated, Lilo is being maintained and has had a release as recent as this month. So we're not talking about including some old ancient piece of software that hasn't had a release in years...... Does the fact that somebody on this list might actually choose a different software selection than you scare you? If we all wanted to be forced into an install of a given piece of software we could have all gone with the Microsoft solution. From mharris at redhat.com Tue Oct 21 23:22:34 2003 From: mharris at redhat.com (Mike A. Harris) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 19:22:34 -0400 (EDT) Subject: video card: comments please? In-Reply-To: <20031021153134.1b57352e.jwendel@fnmoc.navy.mil> References: <200310211032.32092.elwoo@videotron.ca> <3F95AEC4.5070102@wanadoo.es> <20031021153134.1b57352e.jwendel@fnmoc.navy.mil> Message-ID: On Tue, 21 Oct 2003, John Wendel wrote: >> Linux 2.4 doesn't support AGP 8X, max is 4X. >> IMO ATI _radeon_ is a safe and better inversion. > >The Nvidia drives do AGP 8X just fine, at least on my box. By default Nvidia's proprietary binary only drivers use their own built in agpgart driver and do not use the Linux kernel's agpgart. The Linux kernel 2.4's gart driver is limited to 4x. Dave Jones maintains the upstream agpgart nowadays, and might be able to comment further perhaps. -- Mike A. Harris ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris OS Systems Engineer - XFree86 maintainer - Red Hat From christoph.wickert at web.de Tue Oct 21 23:46:20 2003 From: christoph.wickert at web.de (Christoph Wickert) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 01:46:20 +0200 Subject: EVERYTHING fails compiling In-Reply-To: <20031021234409.5e12f616.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de> References: <3F953D97.3000906@web.de> <20031021175133.2546e3f3.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de> <3F95866C.7000005@web.de> <20031021234409.5e12f616.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de> Message-ID: <1066779979.6197.8.camel@hal9000.lokales.netz> Hi Micheal! > > I can't reproduce that (with mosfet-liquid0.9.6pre3) and fully updated > Severn, neither with German nor English locale. > > The diff between the output I get upon running "./configure" and your > nohup1.out consists of just the three "make" lines at the bottom. :) this was already the "make" and that was the problem: no matter what I wanted to compile: Nothing to do for target... Anyway: Seems to be fixt by yesterdays/todays updates. Thanks a lot! Christoph From davej at redhat.com Tue Oct 21 23:52:27 2003 From: davej at redhat.com (Dave Jones) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 00:52:27 +0100 Subject: video card: comments please? In-Reply-To: References: <200310211032.32092.elwoo@videotron.ca> <3F95AEC4.5070102@wanadoo.es> <20031021153134.1b57352e.jwendel@fnmoc.navy.mil> Message-ID: <20031021235227.GC1528@redhat.com> On Tue, Oct 21, 2003 at 07:22:34PM -0400, Mike A. Harris wrote: > By default Nvidia's proprietary binary only drivers use their own > built in agpgart driver and do not use the Linux kernel's > agpgart. The Linux kernel 2.4's gart driver is limited to 4x. > > Dave Jones maintains the upstream agpgart > nowadays, and might be able to comment further perhaps. Perfectly summed up 8-) The AMD64 driver *should* work in x8 mode in 2.4, but for IA32, it's x4 max. Dave -- Dave Jones http://www.codemonkey.org.uk From cantisan at bol.com.br Tue Oct 21 23:59:53 2003 From: cantisan at bol.com.br (gsc) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 21:59:53 -0200 Subject: LILO or Death ! :-) Message-ID: <3F95C879.6020804@bol.com.br> Guys, When I ask about Lilo after my first installation of fedora (beta2) I couldn't image that a lot of people had the same felling about "Ops! Where is Lilo ?". Lilo is so basic that you will never imagine that one day you do not have it, can you imagine a unix like without VI editor ? Hum ?! But I hope that RedHat keep the program. "*First they ignore you* Then they laugh at you Then they fight you Then you win" -- Mahatma Gandhi Regards, GC From gkade at bigbrother.net Wed Oct 22 00:32:43 2003 From: gkade at bigbrother.net (Gregory K. Ruiz-Ade) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 17:32:43 -0700 Subject: LILO or Death ! :-) In-Reply-To: <3F95C879.6020804@bol.com.br> References: <3F95C879.6020804@bol.com.br> Message-ID: <200310211732.49277.gkade@bigbrother.net> On Tuesday 21 October 2003 04:59 pm, gsc wrote: > Lilo is so basic that you will never imagine that > one day you do not have it, can you imagine a unix like without VI > editor ? Hum ?! GNU/Hurd. Ships with nano by default. Much to my chagrin, the repository on alpha.gnu.org is somehow broken, so I can't even install vi/VIm! So, there, not only can I imagine a unix-like system that doesn't ship with vi, but I have one installed. For that matter, it doesn't include lilo, either, but one should expect that. :) Honestly, I don't really miss lilo, as I've been using Grub for quite a while now, but I really do like lilo on my servers, primarily because of it's -R command to boot a specific image on the next boot only. Very useful for booting a new kernel on a remote system, in case it breaks. Someone here mentioned using grub's "savedefault --onlyonce" option/command, but I haven't found a rendition of that that can be run from a command-line or script. It seems it's primarily for use in grub.conf to remember the last system you booted into. Gregory -- Gregory K. Ruiz-Ade OpenPGP Key ID: EAF4844B keyserver: pgpkeys.mit.edu -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: signature URL: From cantisan at bol.com.br Wed Oct 22 00:40:33 2003 From: cantisan at bol.com.br (gsc) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 22:40:33 -0200 Subject: READ AGAIN - GRUB USERS ! :-) Message-ID: <3F95D201.30107@bol.com.br> (..) "Then we win." :-) Message: 11 From: Alan Cox Subject: Re: lilo vs grub To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 15:05:24 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com >> Feel free to correct me... Perhaps you will take ownership of lilo, and >> ensure that it is actively maintained? Remember, the open source community > > Lilo is actively maintained, works on many machines grub does not, can boot off more file systems and can handle raid properly. From jkeating at j2solutions.net Wed Oct 22 00:40:00 2003 From: jkeating at j2solutions.net (Jesse Keating) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 17:40:00 -0700 Subject: LILO or Death ! :-) In-Reply-To: <200310211732.49277.gkade@bigbrother.net> References: <3F95C879.6020804@bol.com.br> <200310211732.49277.gkade@bigbrother.net> Message-ID: <200310211740.00758.jkeating@j2solutions.net> On Tuesday 21 October 2003 17:32, Gregory K. Ruiz-Ade wrote: > GNU/Hurd. Ships *blink* Hurd is usable?! Whoh! -- Jesse Keating RHCE MCSE (geek.j2solutions.net) Fedora Legacy Team (www.fedora.us/wiki/FedoraLegacy) Mondo DevTeam (www.mondorescue.org) GPG Public Key (geek.j2solutions.net/jkeating.j2solutions.pub) Was I helpful? Let others know: http://svcs.affero.net/rm.php?r=jkeating -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: signature URL: From paul at all-the-johnsons.co.uk Wed Oct 22 00:52:22 2003 From: paul at all-the-johnsons.co.uk (Paul) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 01:52:22 +0100 Subject: READ AGAIN - GRUB USERS ! :-) In-Reply-To: <3F95D201.30107@bol.com.br> References: <3F95D201.30107@bol.com.br> Message-ID: <1066783942.2688.58.camel@T6.linux> Hi, > >> Feel free to correct me... Perhaps you will take ownership of lilo, and > >> ensure that it is actively maintained? Remember, the open source community > > Lilo is actively maintained, works on many machines grub does not, can boot > off more file systems and can handle raid properly. I remember one of my first looks at Linux - the machine used Lilo as it's boot loader (RH7.1 IIRC) and I had all hells job keeping it working (I did a few kernel recompiles). Grub, on the other had, has been a pleasure to use. No need to run the liloconf app to ensure the changes have been read in. I suppose it's horses for courses really. Some like lilo, others like grub. Why not just ship the two and let the user decide which to take (and to ensure fairness, neither radio icon should start "on") TTFN Paul -- One OS to fool them all One browser to find them One email client to bring them all And through security holes, blind them... From ppokorny at penguincomputing.com Wed Oct 22 01:07:13 2003 From: ppokorny at penguincomputing.com (Philip Pokorny) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 18:07:13 -0700 Subject: vote for Lilo References: <20031021210701.8810.39126.Mailman@listman.back-rdu.redhat.com> Message-ID: <3F95D841.7050004@penguincomputing.com> > Message: 14 Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 13:23:50 -0700 > From: Gordon Messmer > To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com > Subject: Re: vote for Lilo > Reply-To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com > > Samuel Flory wrote: > >> Gordon Messmer wrote: >>> Don't put /boot on a RAID partition... simple. I don't believe that >>> either Grub or LILO are going to work reliably on any RAID type other >>> than RAID 1. >> >> Lilo in RH 9 works great on RAID1 arrays. > > That's what I said. Either Grub or LILO should work on RAID 1, but I > don't believe that either will work with RAID 0 or 5. > >> Unlike with grub the RH 9 >> installer installed lilo to both drives. > > How'd it do that? I confess that I've not used RH 9 with LILO, but I'm > not aware of any special directives that would make that work. Lilo, > like grub is normally installed to the MBR of a drive. RAID devices > will not include that, so perhaps you installed to the superblock of > your partition? That should work with both grub and LILO, but both will > need another boot loader on the MBR to chain boot them from their > location at the superblock on the RAID partition. LILO doesn't require any special directives. It sees your /boot is a RAID-1 mirror and installs to the MBR of each disk with a member of the RAID set automatically. Looking at the output of 'lilo -v -v -v' I would say that it *could* even handle different geometries and offsets of the RAID partitions on each drive. It builds a map for each drive and installs lilo with it's map into the MBR of each disk. It's a bit of a pain and very confusing to create such a config though, so I haven't personally tried it. If it weren't for BugID 39365 (a silly typo that *really* should be fixed) https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=39365 LILO would effortlessly handle as many drives as you want. I've personally built systems with 6 drives in a RAID1 mirror (6 copies of the same data). Both SCSI and IDE work equally well. That suffices to load the vmlinuz and initrd. That together with partition type FD (RAID autodetect) is a wonder to behold. It's cool to see Linux find and reconstruct all the RAID sets even after you re-arrange the drives in any order. And LILO does it all automatically. :v) -- Philip Pokorny, Director of Engineering Tel: 415-358-2635 Fax: 415-358-2646 Toll Free: 888-PENGUIN PENGUIN COMPUTING, INC. www.penguincomputing.com From ByteEnable at austin.rr.com Wed Oct 22 01:02:09 2003 From: ByteEnable at austin.rr.com (ByteEnable) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 20:02:09 -0500 Subject: video card: comments please? In-Reply-To: References: <200310211032.32092.elwoo@videotron.ca> <3F95AEC4.5070102@wanadoo.es> <20031021153134.1b57352e.jwendel@fnmoc.navy.mil> Message-ID: <1066784529.3728.4.camel@ByteEnable> On Tue, 2003-10-21 at 18:22, Mike A. Harris wrote: > On Tue, 21 Oct 2003, John Wendel wrote: > > >> Linux 2.4 doesn't support AGP 8X, max is 4X. > >> IMO ATI _radeon_ is a safe and better inversion. > > > >The Nvidia drives do AGP 8X just fine, at least on my box. > > By default Nvidia's proprietary binary only drivers use their own > built in agpgart driver and do not use the Linux kernel's > agpgart. The Linux kernel 2.4's gart driver is limited to 4x. > > Dave Jones maintains the upstream agpgart > nowadays, and might be able to comment further perhaps. > I was under the impression that the Nvidia drivers only used their AGPGART when the kernel AGPGART was not loaded. Otherwise you have to specify a OPTION to enable NVidia AGPGART. Byte From jdow at earthlink.net Wed Oct 22 01:10:23 2003 From: jdow at earthlink.net (jdow) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 18:10:23 -0700 Subject: READ AGAIN - GRUB USERS ! :-) References: <3F95D201.30107@bol.com.br> Message-ID: <024401c39839$45c1ea40$2eedfea9@kittycat> From: "gsc" > (..) "Then we win." :-) Message: 11 From: Alan Cox > Subject: Re: lilo vs grub To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com Date: Tue, 21 > Oct 2003 15:05:24 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com > > >> Feel free to correct me... Perhaps you will take ownership of lilo, and > >> ensure that it is actively maintained? Remember, the open source community > > > > > > Lilo is actively maintained, works on many machines grub does not, can boot > off more file systems and can handle raid properly. But but but - it's so ooooold fashioned and crude. We MUST toss it and adopt grub even if grub doesn't work. We surely don't want to be OLD FASHIONED, do we? {^_^} And for the severely sarcasm impaired the above was sarcasm. I *HATE* fancy when it interferes with or reduces function. From grant at tuins.ac.jp Wed Oct 22 01:12:33 2003 From: grant at tuins.ac.jp (rg) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 10:12:33 +0900 Subject: Fedora HP KOs Mozilla 1.3? In-Reply-To: <3F95D841.7050004@penguincomputing.com> References: <20031021210701.8810.39126.Mailman@listman.back-rdu.redhat.com> <3F95D841.7050004@penguincomputing.com> Message-ID: <3F95D981.9020109@tuins.ac.jp> OK, here's an odd one that I am sure no one cares about, but... about 50% of the time when I go to the Fedora Project site, my Mozilla gets knocked out (temporarily, of course). I don't mean the RH download sites; I mean the first Fedora Project page - a welcome and, pffft, good bye sort of things. Happens with NO OTHER site. Just fate? A fluke? A basis for the legitimate development of paranoia? On the positive side, this doesn't happen with Mozi 1.4 in Test 3 - perhaps Operating Systems do have souls - RH9 bitter grapes. rg From gkade at bigbrother.net Wed Oct 22 01:14:21 2003 From: gkade at bigbrother.net (Gregory K. Ruiz-Ade) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 18:14:21 -0700 Subject: LILO or Death ! :-) In-Reply-To: <200310211740.00758.jkeating@j2solutions.net> References: <3F95C879.6020804@bol.com.br> <200310211732.49277.gkade@bigbrother.net> <200310211740.00758.jkeating@j2solutions.net> Message-ID: <200310211814.25309.gkade@bigbrother.net> On Tuesday 21 October 2003 05:40 pm, Jesse Keating wrote: > On Tuesday 21 October 2003 17:32, Gregory K. Ruiz-Ade wrote: > > GNU/Hurd. Ships > > *blink* Hurd is usable?! Whoh! Well.... Not really. :) I consider it more of a research toy to get my brain dusted off again. Gregory -- Gregory K. Ruiz-Ade OpenPGP Key ID: EAF4844B keyserver: pgpkeys.mit.edu -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: signature URL: From jdow at earthlink.net Wed Oct 22 01:16:56 2003 From: jdow at earthlink.net (jdow) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 18:16:56 -0700 Subject: vote for Lilo References: <20031021210701.8810.39126.Mailman@listman.back-rdu.redhat.com> <3F95D841.7050004@penguincomputing.com> Message-ID: <024c01c3983a$2fc6aae0$2eedfea9@kittycat> From: "Philip Pokorny" > > Message: 14 Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 13:23:50 -0700 > > From: Gordon Messmer > > To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com > > Subject: Re: vote for Lilo > > Reply-To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com > > > > Samuel Flory wrote: > > > >> Gordon Messmer wrote: > >>> Don't put /boot on a RAID partition... simple. I don't believe that > >>> either Grub or LILO are going to work reliably on any RAID type other > >>> than RAID 1. > >> > >> Lilo in RH 9 works great on RAID1 arrays. > > > > That's what I said. Either Grub or LILO should work on RAID 1, but I > > don't believe that either will work with RAID 0 or 5. > > > >> Unlike with grub the RH 9 > >> installer installed lilo to both drives. > > > > How'd it do that? I confess that I've not used RH 9 with LILO, but I'm > > not aware of any special directives that would make that work. Lilo, > > like grub is normally installed to the MBR of a drive. RAID devices > > will not include that, so perhaps you installed to the superblock of > > your partition? That should work with both grub and LILO, but both will > > need another boot loader on the MBR to chain boot them from their > > location at the superblock on the RAID partition. > > LILO doesn't require any special directives. It sees your /boot is a > RAID-1 mirror and installs to the MBR of each disk with a member of the > RAID set automatically. > > Looking at the output of 'lilo -v -v -v' I would say that it *could* > even handle different geometries and offsets of the RAID partitions on > each drive. It builds a map for each drive and installs lilo with it's > map into the MBR of each disk. It's a bit of a pain and very confusing > to create such a config though, so I haven't personally tried it. > > If it weren't for BugID 39365 (a silly typo that *really* should be fixed) > > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=39365 > > LILO would effortlessly handle as many drives as you want. I've > personally built systems with 6 drives in a RAID1 mirror (6 copies of > the same data). Both SCSI and IDE work equally well. > > That suffices to load the vmlinuz and initrd. > > That together with partition type FD (RAID autodetect) is a wonder to > behold. It's cool to see Linux find and reconstruct all the RAID sets > even after you re-arrange the drives in any order. > > And LILO does it all automatically. And if you have a script for your compiles you can make the lilo run happen at the end of a successful compile all nice and automatically. The more sophisticated the script the easier the job. {^_-} From alikins at redhat.com Wed Oct 22 01:28:56 2003 From: alikins at redhat.com (Adrian Likins) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 21:28:56 -0400 Subject: rhn_register problem In-Reply-To: References: <1066753462.8640.2.camel@techbyte.com.br> Message-ID: <20031022012856.GH4887@redhat.com> On Tue, Oct 21, 2003 at 06:03:34PM -0200, Alexandre Oliva wrote: > On Oct 21, 2003, Thiago Vinhas de Moraes wrote: > > > socket.herror: (1, 'Host desconhecido') > > Host unknown? I'd guess your DNS resolver is not working. Can you > resolve any other names from this machine? > I'm a bit curious as well. It's looking up the hostname for the ip of the interface thats used to talk to the (which now that I think about, needs to point elsewhere... still getting used to this whole no-RHN up2date thing...) Adrian From JDrabb at tampabay.rr.com Wed Oct 22 01:32:48 2003 From: JDrabb at tampabay.rr.com (James Drabb) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 21:32:48 -0400 Subject: Newer ATI Radeon, ATI FireGL, and Nvidia GeForce/Quadro hardware support In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1066786368.6729.3.camel@keelie.tampabay.rr.com> On Tue, 2003-10-21 at 07:28, Mike A. Harris wrote: > This document concerns the current state of the XFree86 video > driver support for ATI Radeon, FireGL, and Nvidia GeForce and > Quadro video hardware which is present in Red Hat rawhide, and > the current Fedora Core OS test release. I'm posting this in > order to solicit feedback, and also to get more people involved > in reporting bugs and also notifying Red Hat and myself of any > missing hardware support, etc. for these 2 video drivers. Are there any plans to distribute the binary modules with Fedora Core? This way, when ever a new kernel is put out, the needed binaries for NVidia and ATI would be included. Or is there a Free only code for Fedora, similar to Debian? -- James Drabb Senior Programmer Analyst Davenport, FL USA From notting at redhat.com Wed Oct 22 01:44:06 2003 From: notting at redhat.com (Bill Nottingham) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 21:44:06 -0400 Subject: rawhide disabled, will be back tomorrow-ish Message-ID: <20031021214406.B18542@devserv.devel.redhat.com> rawhide is currently disabled while we reorganize some of its content. It should be back sometime tomorrow. (2003-10-22). We apologize for the inconvenience. Bill From whooperhsd3 at earthlink.net Wed Oct 22 01:50:29 2003 From: whooperhsd3 at earthlink.net (William Hooper) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 21:50:29 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Newer ATI Radeon, ATI FireGL, and Nvidia GeForce/Quadrohardware support In-Reply-To: <1066786368.6729.3.camel@keelie.tampabay.rr.com> References: <1066786368.6729.3.camel@keelie.tampabay.rr.com> Message-ID: <65449.65.40.134.44.1066787429.squirrel@whooper.org> James Drabb said: > Are there any plans to distribute the binary modules with Fedora Core? http://fedora.redhat.com/about/objectives.html #2 "Build the operating system exclusively from open source software." -- William Hooper From ojgbagg27ab at msn.com Wed Oct 22 01:52:12 2003 From: ojgbagg27ab at msn.com (alton bailey) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 21:52:12 -0400 Subject: (no subject) Message-ID: I am running ferora 0.95 my problem is, one of my cdrom went bad and I install a new dvd burner after I install the new drive and reboot my system the bios only find one drive of the two dvd rom but fedora did not detect my new drive at all can some one point me having 0.95 finding my drive alton bailey system builder & network operator _________________________________________________________________ Enjoy MSN 8 patented spam control and more with MSN 8 Dial-up Internet Service. Try it FREE for one month! http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup From wacker at octothorp.org Wed Oct 22 02:06:56 2003 From: wacker at octothorp.org (William F. Acker WB2FLW +1-303-722-7209) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 20:06:56 -0600 (MDT) Subject: Speakup in kernel In-Reply-To: <200310212035.h9LKZtx14722@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <200310212035.h9LKZtx14722@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 21 Oct 2003, Alan Cox wrote: > The questions about things like the removal of serial ports from new PC's > have to be answered meaningfully Is it at all likely that add-on serial cards will disappear as well? 73. -- Bill in Denver From ojgbagg27ab at msn.com Wed Oct 22 02:13:10 2003 From: ojgbagg27ab at msn.com (alton bailey) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 22:13:10 -0400 Subject: Up2date + Arjan 2.6 kernel problem Message-ID: could you be more specifect about set up2date to use arjanv's repo as a yum repository. because I am having the same problem when i tried to install 2.6 kernel whith up2date >From: Paul Nasrat >Reply-To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com >To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com >Subject: Re: Up2date + Arjan 2.6 kernel problem >Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 16:06:53 +0100 > >On Tue, Oct 21, 2003 at 08:14:18AM -0600, The Matt wrote: > > > However, when I selected Arjan's repo and told it to get his kernel, it > > came up with a collision. Namely, it was complaining that /lib/modules > > from his kernel conflicted with /lib/modules from filesystem-2.2.1-5. > > Thus, up2date won't proceed. > >Known bug in up2date apt repo handling: 106123 if you want to track > > > I guess my question is can I use up2date and Arjan's repo, and if so, > > how can I get around this? Or, do I need to --force on the kernel via > > rpm -i? > >Work around set up2date to use arjanv's repo as a yum repository. > >Paul > > >-- >fedora-test-list mailing list >fedora-test-list at redhat.com >http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list _________________________________________________________________ Send instant messages to anyone on your contact list with MSN Messenger 6.0. Try it now FREE! http://msnmessenger-download.com From smearp at mac.com Wed Oct 22 02:26:20 2003 From: smearp at mac.com (Sean Earp) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 19:26:20 -0700 Subject: (no subject) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1F68A6AA-0437-11D8-BE2D-000393C34F68@mac.com> On Tuesday, October 21, 2003, at 06:52 PM, alton bailey wrote: > I am running ferora 0.95 my problem is, one of my cdrom went bad and I > install a new dvd burner after I install the new drive and reboot my > system the bios only find one drive of the two dvd rom but fedora did > not detect my new drive at all can some one point me having 0.95 > finding my drive > > alton bailey system builder & network operator Alton- Where to begin? First of all, a subject line helps tremendously (for that matter, an occasional break for a new sentence doesn't hurt either). That way we know what an email is about before we even open it! Now if after replacing a drive, your BIOS only sees one drive, then there is absolutely no chance of Fedora (or any other OS) seeing things differently than your BIOS does. As to why your BIOS only sees one drive, there are a couple of possibilities. 1) The IDE cable is not fully seated on one of the two drives 2) The power molex connector is not fully seated on one of the two drives 3) You have both drives set as master or slave (or perhaps one as cable select). This is the most likely possibility. Make sure that you have one drive jumpered as Master, and one as Slave, or both of them as Cable select. Once the BIOS properly recognizes your drive, Fedora should recognize it without any problems. Hope this helps, -Sean From hoyt at cavtel.net Wed Oct 22 02:33:55 2003 From: hoyt at cavtel.net (HoytDuff) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 22:33:55 -0400 Subject: Fedora Issues In-Reply-To: <200310210752.32264.jkeating@j2solutions.net> References: <1066665712.5083.11.camel@trillian.myserenity.net> <200310210058.38781.hoyt@cavtel.net> <200310210752.32264.jkeating@j2solutions.net> Message-ID: <200310212233.55452.hoyt@cavtel.net> On Tuesday 21 October 2003 10:52 am, Jesse Keating wrote: Thanks for the other explanations. > > 3.) why there > > are no red flags all over the Release Notes about it. > > There were the last time I looked. A quick look of the 0.95 ones show that > it isn't there anymore, except for a small blurb in the package changes: > > - gcc32 ? Version 3.2.3 of GCC (used for building the kernel) > > Perhaps a decent RFE would be to include the specific information about > compiling a kernel with gcc32, with the example of how to set your CC > variable. Care to 'zilla it if it's not already there? If I understand it correctly, it's just # export CC=gcc32 then the usual kernel compile stuff. Correct? If so, I'll bugzilla that. -- Hoyt From JDrabb at tampabay.rr.com Wed Oct 22 02:34:57 2003 From: JDrabb at tampabay.rr.com (James Drabb) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 22:34:57 -0400 Subject: (no subject) In-Reply-To: <1F68A6AA-0437-11D8-BE2D-000393C34F68@mac.com> References: <1F68A6AA-0437-11D8-BE2D-000393C34F68@mac.com> Message-ID: <1066790097.6729.38.camel@keelie.tampabay.rr.com> On Tue, 2003-10-21 at 22:26, Sean Earp wrote: > On Tuesday, October 21, 2003, at 06:52 PM, alton bailey wrote: > > > I am running ferora 0.95 my problem is, one of my cdrom went bad and I > > install a new dvd burner after I install the new drive and reboot my > > system the bios only find one drive of the two dvd rom but fedora did > > not detect my new drive at all can some one point me having 0.95 > > finding my drive > > > > alton bailey system builder & network operator > > Alton- > > Where to begin? First of all, a subject line helps tremendously (for > that matter, an occasional break for a new sentence doesn't hurt > either). Soda....Nose....Keyboard.... -- James Drabb Senior Programmer Analyst Davenport, FL USA From elwoo at videotron.ca Tue Oct 21 22:40:09 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 18:40:09 -0400 Subject: Sound is not working In-Reply-To: <3F95B07A.7070007@ling.lu.se> References: <3F95B07A.7070007@ling.lu.se> Message-ID: <200310211840.09325.elwoo@videotron.ca> On October 21, 2003 06:17 pm, Johan Dahl , > wrote: > It is detected and module cmpci is loaded > > $ /sbin/lspci > 00:00.0 Host bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8366/A/7 [Apollo KT266/A/333] > 00:01.0 PCI bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8366/A/7 [Apollo > KT266/A/333 AGP] > 00:05.0 Multimedia audio controller: C-Media Electronics Inc CM8738 (rev > 10) .. > > $ /sbin/lsmod > Module Size Used by Not tainted > loop 12344 0 > cmpci 38804 1 (autoclean) > gameport 3380 0 (autoclean) [cmpci] > soundcore 6500 4 (autoclean) [cmpci] You *are* aware of course, that in RH linux, the sound volume is (by default) turned down quite low? Did the sound work *before* the up2date packages? HTH Elton ;-) -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From ojgbagg27ab at msn.com Wed Oct 22 02:44:37 2003 From: ojgbagg27ab at msn.com (alton bailey) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 22:44:37 -0400 Subject: (no subject) Message-ID: tanks very much I am brain dead was to eager to install the drive >From: Sean Earp >Reply-To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com >To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com >Subject: Re: (no subject) >Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 19:26:20 -0700 > >On Tuesday, October 21, 2003, at 06:52 PM, alton bailey wrote: > >>I am running ferora 0.95 my problem is, one of my cdrom went bad and I >>install a new dvd burner after I install the new drive and reboot my >>system the bios only find one drive of the two dvd rom but fedora did not >>detect my new drive at all can some one point me having 0.95 finding my >>drive >> >>alton bailey system builder & network operator > >Alton- > >Where to begin? First of all, a subject line helps tremendously (for that >matter, an occasional break for a new sentence doesn't hurt either). That >way we know what an email is about before we even open it! Now if after >replacing a drive, your BIOS only sees one drive, then there is absolutely >no chance of Fedora (or any other OS) seeing things differently than your >BIOS does. As to why your BIOS only sees one drive, there are a couple of >possibilities. > >1) The IDE cable is not fully seated on one of the two drives >2) The power molex connector is not fully seated on one of the two drives >3) You have both drives set as master or slave (or perhaps one as cable >select). This is the most likely possibility. Make sure that you have one >drive jumpered as Master, and one as Slave, or both of them as Cable >select. > >Once the BIOS properly recognizes your drive, Fedora should recognize it >without any problems. Hope this helps, > >-Sean > > >-- >fedora-test-list mailing list >fedora-test-list at redhat.com >http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list _________________________________________________________________ Try MSN Messenger 6.0 with integrated webcam functionality! http://www.msnmessenger-download.com/tracking/reach_webcam From redhat-jc at insight.rr.com Wed Oct 22 03:04:00 2003 From: redhat-jc at insight.rr.com (Jim Cornette) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 23:04:00 -0400 Subject: laptop install In-Reply-To: <200310210019.06719.hoyt@cavtel.net> References: <20031020135531.2089.qmail@web11006.mail.yahoo.com> <3F947050.8080005@insight.rr.com> <200310210019.06719.hoyt@cavtel.net> Message-ID: <3F95F3A0.7020007@insight.rr.com> HoytDuff wrote: > On Monday 20 October 2003 07:31 pm, Jim Cornette wrote: > >>When you run a root terminal, it does not inherit the path that logging >>into a terminal (non-x-terminal) gets. You have to run the entire path >>to the file. > > > This behavior is caused by becoming root with "su" instead of "su -" > Thanks! It works out a lot better with the added path included. I'll add the - from now on. Jim -- problem drinker, n.: A man who never buys. From aoliva at redhat.com Wed Oct 22 03:59:47 2003 From: aoliva at redhat.com (Alexandre Oliva) Date: 22 Oct 2003 01:59:47 -0200 Subject: lilo vs grub In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Oct 21, 2003, Pekka Savola wrote: > Uhh.. is this really a problem? If you re-add a disk after a failure, I'd > suppose the user would be intelligent enough to change the boot sequence > in the bios to actually skip hda :-). Which may then change the disk numbering, or may not, depending on the BIOS. > Around RHL 6.1 or so (2-3 years ago), I did a lot of experimenting with > software-RAID1 on root partition, including plugging off hda That's easy, because then the disk is renumbered for sure. Assuming your raid1 /boot gets the same number as the original, it will probably work. What if it doesn't? Say, I have these 8 hard disks on this box; 4 built-in IDE channels, 6 add-on IDE channels, almost all of them taken. As soon as I added the PCI IDE controllers, the disk numbering presented by the BIOS for the disks in the second built-in IDE controller lost touch with reality, and the ability to tell the BIOS to boot off this second IDE controller became mostly useless. Luckily, I can still select which disk in the primary controller to boot from, but I used to have /boot in disks in separate controllers, just because I could, and I had to rearrange that because it no longer works. Fun, eh? -- Alexandre Oliva Enjoy Guarana', see http://www.ic.unicamp.br/~oliva/ Red Hat GCC Developer aoliva@{redhat.com, gcc.gnu.org} CS PhD student at IC-Unicamp oliva@{lsd.ic.unicamp.br, gnu.org} Free Software Evangelist Professional serial bug killer From mike at netlyncs.com Wed Oct 22 04:02:50 2003 From: mike at netlyncs.com (Mike Chambers) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 23:02:50 -0500 Subject: Up2date + Arjan 2.6 kernel problem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1066795370.1600.4.camel@bart.netlyncs.com> On Tue, 2003-10-21 at 21:13, alton bailey wrote: > could you be more specifect about set up2date to use arjanv's repo as a yum > repository. > because I am having the same problem when i tried to install 2.6 kernel > whith up2date Edit /etc/sysconfig/rhn/sources file and look for the below line... #apt arjan-2.6-kernel-i386 http://people.redhat.com ~arjanv/2.5/ kernel And replace it with below... yum Kernel-2.6 http://people.redhat.com/~arjanv/2.5/ (Kernel-2.6 in that line can be whatever you want but with no spaces). -- Mike Chambers Madisonville, KY "Can you hear me now?....GOOD!" From fedora at andrewfarris.com Wed Oct 22 04:26:05 2003 From: fedora at andrewfarris.com (Andrew Farris) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 21:26:05 -0700 Subject: gnome-workspace switcher grants extra resolution? Message-ID: <1066793050.2318.9.camel@CirithUngol> On Tue, Oct 21, 2003 at 10:44:59 -0400, Michael K. Johnson wrote: > What window manager are you using? I've seen this with sawfish. > It was the reason I reluctantly abandoned sawfish as insufficiently > gnome-aware and moved to metacity. (I still miss the configurability > of sawfish, geek that I am...) Yes I am using sawfish for exactly the reason you mention, I won't be dumping it *just* for the task switcher yet. :) Guess I'm too stubborn, but if I run into more of these problems with it I may need to. Any thoughts on why this behavior changed in Fedora compared to 9 (didn't see this in gnome 2.2 + sawfish), or has anyone seen this happen in an older gnome? > On Mon, Oct 20, 2003 at 05:57:21PM -0700, Andrew Farris wrote: > After upgrade from RH9 to test3, my gnome workspace switcher seems to be > using a higher resolution than my desktop! Whenever switching by mouse > click, the screen shifts off center to the direction I clicked in the > workspace image, seemingly allowing a 2048x1536 resolution desktop when > it is otherwise NOT used. -- Andrew Farris From ba at linuxin.dk Wed Oct 22 04:50:32 2003 From: ba at linuxin.dk (Bjorn Andersen) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 06:50:32 +0200 Subject: Games doesent work in Fedora test 3 In-Reply-To: <200310211410.02540.jkeating@j2solutions.net> References: <3F95769F.3080502@linuxin.dk> <3F959DAF.60305@linuxin.dk> <200310211410.02540.jkeating@j2solutions.net> Message-ID: <3F960C98.9060901@linuxin.dk> Jesse Keating skrev: >On Tuesday 21 October 2003 13:57, Bjorn Andersen wrote: > > >>HMMM, if all newer OpenGL games doesent work under Fedora, and >>everybuddy doesent care, then we will newer get great games for >>(Fedora/RedHat) Linux :-( >> >> > >Oh we can care, but we can't do much about it, since we don't write the >nvidia binary drivers. Nvidia has never supported beta releases of >Linux distributions. Fedora Core is still in beta. Once Fedora Core 1 >is released, then you can expect some support from Nvidia, and have a >better argument when you contact nvidia for help. Until then, tough. > > Hmmm, its 75% of all OpenGL games that doesent work. I dont think thats an Nvidia problem. -- Linux Because making UNIX user friendly is easier then debugging Windows From jkeating at j2solutions.net Wed Oct 22 04:57:15 2003 From: jkeating at j2solutions.net (Jesse Keating) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 21:57:15 -0700 Subject: Games doesent work in Fedora test 3 In-Reply-To: <3F960C98.9060901@linuxin.dk> References: <3F95769F.3080502@linuxin.dk> <200310211410.02540.jkeating@j2solutions.net> <3F960C98.9060901@linuxin.dk> Message-ID: <200310212157.19171.jkeating@j2solutions.net> On Tuesday 21 October 2003 21:50, Bjorn Andersen uttered: > Hmmm, its 75% of all OpenGL games that doesent work. I dont think thats > an Nvidia problem. Why not, if you're playing all of them on an Nvidia card. What you don't realize, is that once you install the Nvidia drivers, you nullify any kind of practical support you could get for any 3d application. If you've got a problem with it, bring it up with Nvidia, since they're the only ones that can help. -- Jesse Keating RHCE MCSE (http://geek.j2solutions.net) Fedora Legacy Team (http://www.fedora.us/wiki/FedoraLegacy) Mondo DevTeam (www.mondorescue.org) GPG Public Key (http://geek.j2solutions.net/jkeating.j2solutions.pub) Was I helpful? Let others know: http://svcs.affero.net/rm.php?r=jkeating -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Michal From joe at tmsusa.com Wed Oct 22 05:25:44 2003 From: joe at tmsusa.com (Joe) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 22:25:44 -0700 Subject: Games doesent work in Fedora test 3 In-Reply-To: <200310212157.19171.jkeating@j2solutions.net> References: <3F95769F.3080502@linuxin.dk> <200310211410.02540.jkeating@j2solutions.net> <3F960C98.9060901@linuxin.dk> <200310212157.19171.jkeating@j2solutions.net> Message-ID: <3F9614D8.9040907@tmsusa.com> Jesse Keating wrote: >On Tuesday 21 October 2003 21:50, Bjorn Andersen uttered: > > >>Hmmm, its 75% of all OpenGL games that doesent work. I dont think thats >>an Nvidia problem. >> >> > >Why not, if you're playing all of them on an Nvidia card. What you don't >realize, is that once you install the Nvidia drivers, you nullify any kind of >practical support you could get for any 3d application. If you've got a >problem with it, bring it up with Nvidia, since they're the only ones that >can help. > > I think his point is that all fc t3 users will have problems with these games. Dismissing him with a wave of the hand because he's using an nvidia card may work for awhile, but eventually there may be some brave souls who venture to attempt games with non-nvidia cards, and when they see the same problems and worse, the problems will get the attention they really should be getting now - you create a sort of vicious cycle when nvidia cards are really the only practical choice for a linux gamer, but users of nvidia cards are shouted down when reporting bugs. I hope the development community finds a better response than dumping on nvidia, since nvidia might just decide it's too damn much trouble to support linux - and then we'll really be out of luck. :\ From jkeating at j2solutions.net Wed Oct 22 05:33:35 2003 From: jkeating at j2solutions.net (Jesse Keating) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 22:33:35 -0700 Subject: Games doesent work in Fedora test 3 In-Reply-To: <3F9614D8.9040907@tmsusa.com> References: <3F95769F.3080502@linuxin.dk> <200310212157.19171.jkeating@j2solutions.net> <3F9614D8.9040907@tmsusa.com> Message-ID: <200310212233.40326.jkeating@j2solutions.net> On Tuesday 21 October 2003 22:25, Joe uttered: > I think his point is that all fc t3 users will have problems with these > games. Dismissing him with a wave of the hand because he's using an > nvidia card may work for awhile, but eventually there may be some brave > souls who venture to attempt games with non-nvidia cards, and when they > see the same problems and worse, the problems will get the attention > they really should be getting now - you create a sort of vicious cycle > when nvidia cards are really the only practical choice for a linux > gamer, but users of nvidia cards are shouted down when reporting bugs. > > I hope the development community finds a better response than dumping on > nvidia, since nvidia might just decide it's too damn much trouble to > support linux - and then we'll really be out of luck. The very first suggestion was made to duplicate the issue on a non-nvidia card. It's pretty difficult to fix something you have no access to. Would you consider rebuilding your carborator to fix a leak if you didn't have the manual in front of you, or somebody to walk you through it? The only way that these reports _can_ be taken seriously is if they are duplicated by a non-tainted kernel. -- Jesse Keating RHCE MCSE (http://geek.j2solutions.net) Fedora Legacy Team (http://www.fedora.us/wiki/FedoraLegacy) Mondo DevTeam (www.mondorescue.org) GPG Public Key (http://geek.j2solutions.net/jkeating.j2solutions.pub) Was I helpful? Let others know: http://svcs.affero.net/rm.php?r=jkeating -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: signature URL: From joe at tmsusa.com Wed Oct 22 05:42:52 2003 From: joe at tmsusa.com (Joe) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 22:42:52 -0700 Subject: Games doesent work in Fedora test 3 In-Reply-To: <200310212233.40326.jkeating@j2solutions.net> References: <3F95769F.3080502@linuxin.dk> <200310212157.19171.jkeating@j2solutions.net> <3F9614D8.9040907@tmsusa.com> <200310212233.40326.jkeating@j2solutions.net> Message-ID: <3F9618DC.2070307@tmsusa.com> Jesse Keating wrote: >On Tuesday 21 October 2003 22:25, Joe uttered: > > >>I think his point is that all fc t3 users will have problems with these >>games. Dismissing him with a wave of the hand because he's using an >>nvidia card may work for awhile, but eventually there may be some brave >>souls who venture to attempt games with non-nvidia cards, and when they >>see the same problems and worse, the problems will get the attention >>they really should be getting now - you create a sort of vicious cycle >>when nvidia cards are really the only practical choice for a linux >>gamer, but users of nvidia cards are shouted down when reporting bugs. >> >>I hope the development community finds a better response than dumping on >>nvidia, since nvidia might just decide it's too damn much trouble to >>support linux - and then we'll really be out of luck. >> >> > >The very first suggestion was made to duplicate the issue on a non-nvidia >card. It's pretty difficult to fix something you have no access to. > Sure, that's an idea - if someone just happens to have a good, linux supported 3D card laying around that he can just pop in - that is an option for some, but not all. > Would >you consider rebuilding your carborator to fix a leak if you didn't have the >manual in front of you, or somebody to walk you through it? > If the problem was clearly not the carburetor, I wouln't bother rebuilding it :) >The only way that these reports _can_ be taken seriously is if they are >duplicated by a non-tainted kernel. > Sure, I know that's the technical explanation, and there may be some justification for it - but it does seem very counter productive - how on earth do you troubleshoot performance problems with oracle databases running on linux? Do you immediately refuse, since you don't have the source code to oracle? Surely there is a happy medium here somwhere, and we'll need to find it if linux is to gain greater acceptance. Joe From jspaleta at princeton.edu Wed Oct 22 05:59:32 2003 From: jspaleta at princeton.edu (Jef Spaleta) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 01:59:32 -0400 Subject: 'MUSTFIX' Fedora Bug Day: Tomorrow err I mean Today!!!!!!!!! Message-ID: <1066802371.2743.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> That's right i wasn't joking. It's Wednesday again, which means another Fedora Bug Day. Today is the second unofficial attempt at a fedora bug day. Today's bug hunting theme are Fedora Core release 'mustfix' bugs. Heres a list: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/showdependencytree.cgi?id=100643 There are more than a few NEEDSINFO and NEW bugs in that list that the 'right' people in community could probably chime in on with useful information. So take a look over the list and see if there is any issue yuu can get closer to a meaningful resolution. More info about Fedora triage and bug days: http://www.fedora.us/wiki/FedoraTriage -jef"must sleep now"spaleta -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From lists at reforge.fi Wed Oct 22 07:58:13 2003 From: lists at reforge.fi (Lauri Jutila) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 10:58:13 +0300 Subject: Games doesent work in Fedora test 3 In-Reply-To: <3F960C98.9060901@linuxin.dk> References: <3F95769F.3080502@linuxin.dk> <3F959DAF.60305@linuxin.dk> <200310211410.02540.jkeating@j2solutions.net> <3F960C98.9060901@linuxin.dk> Message-ID: <1066809492.5398.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> > Hmmm, its 75% of all OpenGL games that doesent work. I dont think thats > an Nvidia problem. I'm running FCT3 w/ NVIDIA GPU (GeForce4 4200 Go) and *most* of the OpenGL apps work fine. glxgears works, I can play Tuxracer in fullscreen mode and have tried out Savage: Battle of Newerth which has a glitch but it runs. Savage's problem is that reports "Couldn't allocate AGP Memory: make sure you have agpgart driver in your kernel". I have tested with both NVIDIA's AGP driver and kernel's AGPGART module, but neither work (yet). I can enter the game and all is well except fps is terrible (around 5-10). As there has been some discussion about Fedora's ability to support games, I'll test the following games later today: Quake3, Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri, Railroad Tycoon II, Enemy Territory and America's Army. Report on progress will follow. Regards, -- Lauri Jutila Chief Linux Fellow, Reforge lists at reforge.fi http://www.reforge.fi From zgobolos at 777westel.hu Wed Oct 22 09:03:25 2003 From: zgobolos at 777westel.hu (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?G=F6b=F6l=F6s_Zolt=E1n?=) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 11:03:25 +0200 Subject: One last thing... AC97 In-Reply-To: <1066777124.5653.5.camel@vdlxws1.vdlaan.yi.org.local> References: <1066701939.6230.4.camel@vdlxws1.vdlaan.yi.org.local> <1066724681.5606.3.camel@zgobolos.home> <1066725842.5978.3.camel@zgobolos.home> <1066777124.5653.5.camel@vdlxws1.vdlaan.yi.org.local> Message-ID: <1066813405.5524.18.camel@zgobolos.home> No, don't badger the bios! To make sure acpi helps you, look at /proc/pci. Look for the audio chip section. Find the IRQ. Then find another hardware section that reports hardware using the same IRQ. To make things more clean, try too boot a Windows (if you have) and do the same search in the device setting application. If you find IRQ collision in your sound chip IRQ, acpi is your friend. If not, try other solutions, for example heavy search on Google, and skip the rest of this letter. If your kernel goes to panic with acpi=on, that is the bigger problem i think. The kernel usually says try to boot with acpi=off or noacpi (or something similar) when you get an error using acpi. But acpi may the solution for your sound problem. So you may trow a bugreport including kernel version, symptoms in all variations of settings of HT and SMP/UP kernel, and `cat /proc/pci` -- gz On Wed, 2003-10-22 at 00:58, Aldert E. van der Laan wrote: > Is there a bug report for this? Just wondering if I can look it up. > I am not sure if I follow you here, but do I need to reserve an IRQ in > the bios or through the modules.conf ? > > Thanks for your input. > > Aldert. > > On Tue, 2003-10-21 at 04:44, G??b??l??s Zolt??n wrote: > > Sorry I missed the explanation. > > > > I had the same problem with SIS hardware, and tried the kernel oss, the > > commercial oss, and alsa, but no success. Lastly I've found the IRQ > > collision on IRQ 5. The ACPI irq routing stuff solved the problem. > > > > > > > > On Tue, 2003-10-21 at 10:24, G??b??l??s Zolt??n wrote: > > > Hi! > > > > > > Did you try booting with acpi=on ? > > > > > > -- > > > gz > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > fedora-test-list mailing list > > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From markkukolkka at kolumbus.fi Wed Oct 22 09:54:29 2003 From: markkukolkka at kolumbus.fi (Markku Kolkka) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 12:54:29 +0300 Subject: Games doesent work in Fedora test 3 In-Reply-To: <1066809492.5398.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <3F95769F.3080502@linuxin.dk> <3F960C98.9060901@linuxin.dk> <1066809492.5398.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <200310221254.29222.markkukolkka@kolumbus.fi> Lauri Jutila kirjoitti viestiss??n (l?hetysaika Keskiviikko 22. Lokakuuta 2003 10:58): > As there has been some discussion about Fedora's ability to support > games, I'll test the following games later today: Quake3, Sid Meier's > Alpha Centauri, Railroad Tycoon II, Enemy Territory and America's > Army. Report on progress will follow. SMAC didn't work on previous Severn/FCtest versions, haven't bothered to try with FCtest3 yet. -- Markku Kolkka markku.kolkka at iki.fi From kjb at dds.nl Wed Oct 22 10:01:15 2003 From: kjb at dds.nl (Klaasjan Brand) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 12:01:15 +0200 Subject: Games doesent work in Fedora test 3 In-Reply-To: <200310221254.29222.markkukolkka@kolumbus.fi> References: <3F95769F.3080502@linuxin.dk> <3F960C98.9060901@linuxin.dk> <1066809492.5398.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> <200310221254.29222.markkukolkka@kolumbus.fi> Message-ID: <3F96556B.9060505@dds.nl> Markku Kolkka wrote: >Lauri Jutila kirjoitti viestiss??n (l?hetysaika Keskiviikko 22. >Lokakuuta 2003 10:58): > > >>As there has been some discussion about Fedora's ability to support >>games, I'll test the following games later today: Quake3, Sid Meier's >>Alpha Centauri, Railroad Tycoon II, Enemy Territory and America's >>Army. Report on progress will follow. >> >> > >SMAC didn't work on previous Severn/FCtest versions, haven't bothered to >try with FCtest3 yet. > > > It's running for me on current rawhide, only it seems to switch te monitor to some interlaced video mode which gives me a headache. (can't seem to get that mode to show up using xrandr...) Quake3 (last version from id ftp) just segfaults with a floating point exception... I've got an i815-based system with a Radeon 8500 (using oss drivers). Klaasjan From ronny-vlug at vlugnet.org Wed Oct 22 10:08:12 2003 From: ronny-vlug at vlugnet.org (Ronny Buchmann) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 12:08:12 +0200 Subject: PROFTPD In-Reply-To: <20031021133752.B4312@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <20031021051124.GB18150@prince.homelinux.org> <20031021133752.B4312@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <3F96570C.2040200@vlugnet.org> Bill Nottingham schrieb: > Lorenzo Prince (lorenzo at prince.homelinux.org) said: > >>I have seen somewnere, it may actually have been on FreshRPMS, a good up-to-date RPM >>of PROFTPD for RH9. Is there any move to try to get this great ftpd into Fedora Core, > > > No. We prefer the security history of vsftpd. :) So why not use pureftpd? It has all the features proftpd has, but also a very good (perfect?) security track. And configuration is actually simpler than proftpd. -- ronny From grant at tuins.ac.jp Wed Oct 22 11:05:17 2003 From: grant at tuins.ac.jp (rg) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 20:05:17 +0900 Subject: removable media In-Reply-To: <04b901c3980d$d0a9eda0$9100000a@intgrp.com> References: <04b901c3980d$d0a9eda0$9100000a@intgrp.com> Message-ID: <3F96646D.8070407@tuins.ac.jp> > > >2. 32Meg samsung usb jumpdrive: Same /dev/sda and /dev/sdb errors, the >floppy drive is accessed, and it doesn't add to /etc/fstab nor automount. > Haven't been paying close attention to this point these days, but don't these things still have to be dealt with manually first go? I mean making a manual fstab entry, creating a mount point, and then, after that, mounting the thing however you like? Or has something marvelous changed? Does seem that now once an entry has been added to the fstab, the mountpoint specificed therein immediately appears in the Disks submenu when you right click on yoru GNOME desktop... rg From bcs at metacon.ca Wed Oct 22 11:53:23 2003 From: bcs at metacon.ca (Ben Steeves) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 08:53:23 -0300 Subject: Games doesent work in Fedora test 3 In-Reply-To: <1066809492.5398.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <3F95769F.3080502@linuxin.dk> <3F959DAF.60305@linuxin.dk> <200310211410.02540.jkeating@j2solutions.net> <3F960C98.9060901@linuxin.dk> <1066809492.5398.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1066823602.2714.168.camel@zephyr> On Wed, 2003-10-22 at 04:58, Lauri Jutila wrote: > As there has been some discussion about Fedora's ability to support > games, I'll test the following games later today: Quake3, Sid Meier's > Alpha Centauri, Railroad Tycoon II, Enemy Territory and America's Army. > Report on progress will follow. Quake3, SMAC, and RTII all work fine, tho Q3 has crashed on me on occasion (locking up the whole system, AAMOF), and RTII crashes when I try to do multiplayer. -- Ben Steeves _ bcs at metacon.ca The ASCII ribbon campaign ( ) ben.steeves at unb.ca against HTML e-mail X GPG ID: 0xB3EBF1D9 http://www.metacon.ca/ascii / \ Yahoo Messenger: ben_steeves From operalover_99 at yahoo.com Wed Oct 22 12:32:21 2003 From: operalover_99 at yahoo.com (Michael Smith) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 05:32:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Newer ATI Radeon, ATI FireGL, and Nvidia GeForce/Quadro hardware support In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20031022123221.34676.qmail@web11007.mail.yahoo.com> Mike, My motherboard has an ATI chipset with a Radeon IGP 320, so I removed my Rage 128 AGP card to try out the radeon driver. The driver seems to work all right with the IGP - no noticable problems. Results of running glxgears from a terminal window, with an Athlon 1800: 24 bpp 16 bpp IGP 208 291 r-128 561 1009 Guess I'll stick with the Rage for now. Mike Smith --- "Mike A. Harris" wrote: > This document concerns the current state of the > XFree86 video > driver support for ATI Radeon, FireGL, and Nvidia > GeForce and > Quadro video hardware which is present in Red Hat > rawhide, and > the current Fedora Core OS test release. I'm > posting this in > order to solicit feedback, and also to get more > people involved > in reporting bugs and also notifying Red Hat and > myself of any > missing hardware support, etc. for these 2 video > drivers. > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From jdk-fedora at starport.org Wed Oct 22 12:33:50 2003 From: jdk-fedora at starport.org (JDK) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 08:33:50 -0400 Subject: Network Config In-Reply-To: <1066740075.1863.3.camel@bart.netlyncs.com>; from mike@netlyncs.com on Tue, Oct 21, 2003 at 07:41:16AM -0500 References: <20031021004104.A6209@starport.org> <1066740075.1863.3.camel@bart.netlyncs.com> Message-ID: <20031022083350.A23452@starport.org> On Tue, Oct 21, 2003 at 07:41:16AM -0500, Mike Chambers wrote: > On Mon, 2003-10-20 at 23:41, JDK wrote: > > > I was thinking I could just slap the second nic in, leave > > everything set as DHCP, and be along my happy way. No joy. > > I got kicked into Kudzu on reboot, and it correctly found and > > config'd the new nic, but eth1 fails to start. I tried to > > switch it to static IP, and then could not get network on > > either nic. I got internet back when I disabled eth1. I > > can't get the Kid's PC to get an IP in either scenario. Can > > someone tell me what the network settings should be for eth1 > > in this type of config? > > Should use a static IP for eth1 as it won't be getting an address from > your router. You will also probably need to turn on ip_forward so eth0 > will allow eth1 traffic out. And you will probably have to use Guardian > to setup masquerading for the Kids box to pass through. Thanks. Can someone tell me what is the Red Hat way to turn on ip_forward? Is there a network options item, or do I just need to add something to the firewall script? Will the kids PC need a static IP, or will if get DHCP from the router once I enable the IP forward? Thanks, jdk From eckenrode.8 at osu.edu Wed Oct 22 12:39:04 2003 From: eckenrode.8 at osu.edu (Randy Eckenrode) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 08:39:04 -0400 Subject: Games doesent work in Fedora test 3 In-Reply-To: <3F96556B.9060505@dds.nl> References: <3F95769F.3080502@linuxin.dk> <3F960C98.9060901@linuxin.dk> <1066809492.5398.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> <200310221254.29222.markkukolkka@kolumbus.fi> <3F96556B.9060505@dds.nl> Message-ID: <1066826343.6374.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2003-10-22 at 06:01, Klaasjan Brand wrote: > It's running for me on current rawhide, only it seems to switch te > monitor to some interlaced video mode which gives me a headache. (can't > seem to get that mode to show up using xrandr...) The same happened to me, so I just ran it in a window. There is a benefit to running SMAC in a window, it keeps the clock visible. ;-) I did try specifying a modeline in XF86Config for 85 Hz, but the game just switched to 55 Hz instead. > Quake3 (last version from id ftp) just segfaults with a floating point > exception... Quake 3 worked for me, but the framerate was fairly awful (~30% of what I got in Windows IIRC). The DRI drivers that ship with XFree86 4.3 are pretty old, so I would imagine things will improve some when XFree86 4.4 is released. --Randy Eckenrode From pauln at truemesh.com Wed Oct 22 12:46:48 2003 From: pauln at truemesh.com (Paul Nasrat) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 13:46:48 +0100 Subject: 'MUSTFIX' Fedora Bug Day: Tomorrow err I mean Today!!!!!!!!! In-Reply-To: <1066802371.2743.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1066802371.2743.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20031022124646.GB24349@shitake.truemesh.com> On Wed, Oct 22, 2003 at 01:59:32AM -0400, Jef Spaleta wrote: > There are more than a few NEEDSINFO and NEW bugs in that list that the > 'right' people in community could probably chime in on with useful > information. So take a look over the list and see if there is any issue > yuu can get closer to a meaningful resolution. Quick question - what should be done about MODIFIED bugs do they need to be verified and recommend go to QA? Paul From toni at maxlove.com.br Wed Oct 22 10:00:15 2003 From: toni at maxlove.com.br (Toni Guedes) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 08:00:15 -0200 Subject: Aiptek 6000U tablet and XFree86-4.3 Message-ID: <004201c39883$4b8fd140$fc01a8c0@cpdtoni> Hi, Can someone tell me if Aiptek's 6000U tablets (USB) are supported in XFree86-4.3 and how to configure it? Thanks in advance ____________________________ Toni Guedes - Inform?tica/CPD Max Love Cosm?ticos Ltda. ____________________________ From lists at reforge.fi Wed Oct 22 13:00:59 2003 From: lists at reforge.fi (Lauri Jutila) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 16:00:59 +0300 Subject: Network Config In-Reply-To: <20031022083350.A23452@starport.org> References: <20031021004104.A6209@starport.org> <1066740075.1863.3.camel@bart.netlyncs.com> <20031022083350.A23452@starport.org> Message-ID: <1066827659.5398.29.camel@localhost.localdomain> > Thanks. Can someone tell me what is the Red Hat way to turn on > ip_forward? Is there a network options item, or do I just need to add > something to the firewall script? Will the kids PC need a static IP, > or will if get DHCP from the router once I enable the IP forward? How about: # echo "1" > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward That should enable IP forwarding. -- Lauri Jutila Chief Linux Fellow, Reforge lists at reforge.fi http://www.reforge.fi From paul at frields.com Wed Oct 22 13:04:32 2003 From: paul at frields.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: 22 Oct 2003 09:04:32 -0400 Subject: Network Config In-Reply-To: <20031022083350.A23452@starport.org> References: <20031021004104.A6209@starport.org> <1066740075.1863.3.camel@bart.netlyncs.com> <20031022083350.A23452@starport.org> Message-ID: <1066827871.3547.36.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2003-10-22 at 08:33, JDK wrote: [...snip...] > > Should use a static IP for eth1 as it won't be getting an address from > > your router. You will also probably need to turn on ip_forward so eth0 > > will allow eth1 traffic out. And you will probably have to use Guardian > > to setup masquerading for the Kids box to pass through. > > Thanks. Can someone tell me what is the Red Hat way to turn on > ip_forward? Is there a network options item, or do I just need to add > something to the firewall script? Will the kids PC need a static IP, > or will if get DHCP from the router once I enable the IP forward? To turn it on now: echo "1" > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward To make the change persistent, put the following line in /etc/sysctl.conf (there's probably a "dummy" placeholder there right now): net.ipv4.ip_forward = 1 I think what the Mike Chambers was telling you was that you will want static IP addressing on the NIC that is networked with the kids' PC. Note that you will need to make sure you are configuring the right card, since it can get confusing if what you think is eth1 is actually eth0! :-) Not to be pedantic, but just in case: generally you would connect the 2nd NIC in the Linux box and the NIC in the kids' PC to a hub in between, but you can connect them directly with a crossover Ethernet cable. (Using a hub instead means, for instance, that [A] you can expand this little project to encompass more computers later, and [B] you don't have to spend the extra few minutes to find, buy or make a special crossover cable.) The kids' PC should also be set up as static. It might be easy to make your Linux box eth1 address something like 192.168.5.254, and your kids' PC address 192.168.5.1. (I am assuming and hoping your existing router address space is different.) You don't want to use DHCP there because it will probably confuse your cable modem, which is likely set to provide only one IP address unless you've paid for more with your provider. Hope this helps, and please feel free to e-mail me offlist if you need more help. -- Paul W. Frields From paul at frields.com Wed Oct 22 13:10:56 2003 From: paul at frields.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: 22 Oct 2003 09:10:56 -0400 Subject: Network Config In-Reply-To: <1066827871.3547.36.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <20031021004104.A6209@starport.org> <1066740075.1863.3.camel@bart.netlyncs.com> <20031022083350.A23452@starport.org> <1066827871.3547.36.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1066828256.3547.42.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2003-10-22 at 09:04, Paul W. Frields wrote: > The kids' PC should also be set up as static. It might be easy to make > your Linux box eth1 address something like 192.168.5.254, and your kids' > PC address 192.168.5.1. (I am assuming and hoping your existing router > address space is different.) You don't want to use DHCP there because it > will probably confuse your cable modem, which is likely set to provide > only one IP address unless you've paid for more with your provider. Hope > this helps, and please feel free to e-mail me offlist if you need more > help. Oops, brain not fully caffeinated yet. It doesn't necessarily follow that your cable modem would get confused in your case. But for all practical purposes and to ease the learning curve, I would still go with static IP's here. -- Paul W. Frields From paul.morgan at jumanjihouse.com Wed Oct 22 13:12:48 2003 From: paul.morgan at jumanjihouse.com (Paul Morgan) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 08:12:48 -0500 Subject: Network Config In-Reply-To: <20031022083350.A23452@starport.org> References: <20031021004104.A6209@starport.org> <1066740075.1863.3.camel@bart.netlyncs.com> <20031022083350.A23452@starport.org> Message-ID: <1066828368.5721.12.camel@vaio.jumanjihouse.com> On Wed, 2003-10-22 at 07:33, JDK wrote: > Thanks. Can someone tell me what is the Red Hat way to turn on > ip_forward? Is there a network options item, or do I just need to add > something to the firewall script? Will the kids PC need a static IP, > or will if get DHCP from the router once I enable the IP forward? vi /etc/sysctl.conf and change 0 to 1 as shown here: net.ipv4.ip_forward = 1 Then run `sysctl -p` Your original diagram showed a linux box between the kids and the router, and your linux will become a router if setup for ip forwarding, so your kids' computers will need to be on a different subnet than the rest of your home computers. The easiest approach in that case is to assign static ip's to your kids' boxes. Your linux box will have your main router as its default gateway, and you need either a hub (if more than one pc) or a crossover cable (if only one kid's pc). It might be easier in your case to set up the linux box as just another node on your network that happens to run squid, privoxy, and dan's guardian; then configure the proxy settings on the kids' boxes and adjust your router firewall to prevent the kids' computer from hitting the Internet directly. This would avoid subnetting and routing issues altogether. Hope this helps! -paul From paul.morgan at jumanjihouse.com Wed Oct 22 13:29:18 2003 From: paul.morgan at jumanjihouse.com (Paul Morgan) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 08:29:18 -0500 Subject: Magicolor 2300 DL Message-ID: <1066829358.5721.32.camel@vaio.jumanjihouse.com> Is anybody else using this printer model? [I don't want to BZ it if everybody else is working fine]. fedora-test-3 appears to have built-in support for the Minolta Magicolor 2300DL printer, but that driver doesn't work for me. Instead, I had to download the foo2zjs driver from http://home.mn.rr.com/richardsons/foo2zjs/ which works great. I'm connecting to the printer via ethernet lp@ Thanks, -Paul From steve at rueb.com Wed Oct 22 13:34:41 2003 From: steve at rueb.com (Steve Bergman) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 08:34:41 -0500 Subject: Games doesent work in Fedora test 3 In-Reply-To: <1066809492.5398.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <3F95769F.3080502@linuxin.dk> <3F959DAF.60305@linuxin.dk> <200310211410.02540.jkeating@j2solutions.net> <3F960C98.9060901@linuxin.dk> <1066809492.5398.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1066829680.4491.14.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2003-10-22 at 02:58, Lauri Jutila wrote: > > As there has been some discussion about Fedora's ability to support > games, I'll test the following games later today: Quake3, Sid Meier's > Alpha Centauri, Railroad Tycoon II, Enemy Territory and America's Army. > Report on progress will follow. > Return to Castle Wolfenstein, Quake 3, Rune, Unreal Tournament, TuxRacer, and Chromium all work fine on my Radeon 9100 AGP and the current rawhide. The speed is great, too. I dumped my closed NVidia card in favor of the open and supported Radeon and have not regretted it. It took the Radeon driver guys a while (years) to get it right, but it seems that they have. It's fast, stable, and Free. From christoph.wickert at web.de Wed Oct 22 14:10:04 2003 From: christoph.wickert at web.de (Christoph Wickert) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 16:10:04 +0200 Subject: Gnome AND kde conflicting Message-ID: <1066831803.8583.44.camel@hal9000.lokales.netz> Hi! I think sharing settings from gnome and kde is generally a bad idea. Desktop: Using the same desktop folder results in: - 2 Homes: One is opened with nautilus, the other in konqueror. - KDE drive icons not working with gnome desktop. - Default kde name for a cdrom is "CD/DVD-ROM", on gnome desktop it appears as: "CD%2fDVD-ROM" (German locale) - No icons (ether in gnome or kde) if you decide to choose a different icon theme than bluecurve. - and lots of other "No Name"s on the desktop. please take a look @ http://wickert.gmxhome.de/xawtv0.jpg Menu: - I don't think, it makes any sense, that gmix is the default mixer. When I choose mixer in the kde menu I expect kmix to start, not gmix! - There's not even an entry for kmix in the menu. - Same with lots of other apps: Whenever there's a program in both kde and gnome, then default should be the one that fits your desktop, the alternative should be placed in "More Programs" Maybe users will find this confusing, but I think it's even more confusing to open gnome-recorder in kde where it is not working (arts vs. esd). Why use eggcups when kde already has a print-manager? By the way: Eggcups fails loading the icon in notification-area quite often. Regards Christoph -- Christoph Wickert From thompsma at colorado.edu Wed Oct 22 14:10:30 2003 From: thompsma at colorado.edu (The Matt) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 08:10:30 -0600 Subject: Up2date + Arjan 2.6 kernel problem In-Reply-To: <1066795370.1600.4.camel@bart.netlyncs.com> References: <1066795370.1600.4.camel@bart.netlyncs.com> Message-ID: <1066831830.13762.7.camel@ixion.colorado.edu> On Tue, 2003-10-21 at 22:02, Mike Chambers wrote: > On Tue, 2003-10-21 at 21:13, alton bailey wrote: > > could you be more specifect about set up2date to use arjanv's repo as a yum > > repository. > > because I am having the same problem when i tried to install 2.6 kernel > > whith up2date > > Edit /etc/sysconfig/rhn/sources file and look for the below line... > > #apt arjan-2.6-kernel-i386 http://people.redhat.com ~arjanv/2.5/ kernel > > And replace it with below... > > yum Kernel-2.6 http://people.redhat.com/~arjanv/2.5/ Actually, I did that yesterday and it didn't work. I kept getting python junk in my terminal and up2date would just freeze. So, I had to do rpm -ivh...which led to other problems. In that vein, does anyone out there have a howto yet of getting Arjan's kernel to work seamlessly with Fedora 0.95? I tried following as best I could the steps on the thomer.com page, but rc.sysinit would still throw up quite a few FAILED and "module not found"'s. Now, the system still worked, but not without kudzu going nuts and saying my mice and keyboard weren't there. Does anyone have a step-by-step HOWTO yet, or is USB + sysfs + Fedora still not quite ready for primetime (I want the boot up to be all OK with no extra lines)? Matt -- "And isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony, anyway? I mean, all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, ooh ooh ooh, the sky's the limit!" -- The Tick The Matt -- http://ucsub.colorado.edu/~thompsma/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Don From jeremyp at pobox.com Wed Oct 22 14:25:10 2003 From: jeremyp at pobox.com (Jeremy Portzer) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 10:25:10 -0400 Subject: Q on rhn_register / up2date channel settings In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1066832710.26733.9.camel@jeremy.dtcc.cc.nc.us> On Wed, 2003-10-22 at 10:16, Vanco, Don wrote: > I've resolved portions of > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=107548 > > ...but now, while my system will _register_ with RHN it's telling me that I > have an invalid OS/Architecture combo (0.95 and i686) and it gives me NO > available channels via RHN. There is not an RHN channel for 0.95, this is is the expected behavior. This has been discussed dozens of times on this list already. Edit your sources file to use yum or apt instead; the yum/rawhide configuration is what many of us are using. (Rawhide is down at this moment, but you can use a mirror.) --Jeremy -- /---------------------------------------------------------------------\ | Jeremy Portzer jeremyp at pobox.com trilug.org/~jeremy | | GPG Fingerprint: 712D 77C7 AB2D 2130 989F E135 6F9F F7BC CC1A 7B92 | \---------------------------------------------------------------------/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From jtlegbandt at earthlink.net Wed Oct 22 14:35:03 2003 From: jtlegbandt at earthlink.net (Joshua Legbandt) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 07:35:03 -0700 Subject: .xinitrc and .xession not being read? Message-ID: <1066833303.7705.46.camel@suburbia> Since I've upgraded to the fedora core 1 test series from Red Hat 9 (originally to post severn rawhide) and started logging in through gdm, I've noticed that my .xinitrc and my .xsession (one is a symbolic link to the other) are not getting invoked. Specifically, I have the following lines that are not being executed via my .xsession: xset fp+ /home/finn/.xfonts xset fp rehash I've only noticed this now, not months ago, due to the fact that I am now using xterm to connect to certain hosts that behave funny when I use gnome-terminal. Had I never had to connect to the hosts, and hence use xterm, I probably would never have noticed this. Anyone have any ideas on why this is occurring? -josh -- Joshua Legbandt From ba at linuxin.dk Wed Oct 22 14:42:18 2003 From: ba at linuxin.dk (Bjorn Andersen) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 16:42:18 +0200 Subject: Games doesent work in Fedora test 3 In-Reply-To: <1066809492.5398.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <3F95769F.3080502@linuxin.dk> <3F959DAF.60305@linuxin.dk> <200310211410.02540.jkeating@j2solutions.net> <3F960C98.9060901@linuxin.dk> <1066809492.5398.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <3F96974A.4060801@linuxin.dk> Lauri Jutila skrev: > >Savage's problem is that reports "Couldn't allocate AGP Memory: make >sure you have agpgart driver in your kernel". I have tested with both >NVIDIA's AGP driver and kernel's AGPGART module, but neither work (yet). >I can enter the game and all is well except fps is terrible (around >5-10). > >As there has been some discussion about Fedora's ability to support >games, I'll test the following games later today: Quake3, Sid Meier's >Alpha Centauri, Railroad Tycoon II, Enemy Territory and America's Army. >Report on progress will follow. > > In Americas Army i get: [skunk at Mars skunk]$ armyops Xlib: extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0". Xlib: extension "XiG-SUNDRY-NONSTANDARD" missing on display ":0.0". CTRL-C before main loop ... forcing exit. [skunk at Mars skunk]$ None of the games i tryed (Unreal Tournament 2003, Enemy Teritory and Americas Army) was able to start. It has nothing to do with OpenGL from Nvidia. Im not eaven able to choos OpenGL in the game, so it must still use software rendering. Regards, Bjorn Andersen -- Linux Because making UNIX user friendly is easier then debugging Windows From dstewart at atl.lmco.com Wed Oct 22 14:52:21 2003 From: dstewart at atl.lmco.com (Douglas Stewart) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 10:52:21 -0400 Subject: rawhide disabled, will be back tomorrow-ish In-Reply-To: <20031021214406.B18542@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <20031021214406.B18542@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <3F9699A5.6010705@atl.lmco.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Bill Nottingham wrote: | rawhide is currently disabled while we reorganize some of | its content. It should be back sometime tomorrow. (2003-10-22). | | We apologize for the inconvenience. | | Bill | | | -- | fedora-test-list mailing list | fedora-test-list at redhat.com | http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list Mind giving us a heads up when it's back on-line? - -- - ---------- Doug Stewart Systems Administrator/Web Applications Developer Lockheed Martin Advanced Technology Labs Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/lpmlN50Q8DVvcvkRArmmAJ4i/+hULgiVPdmRDLpE50AYsZaUYwCfcIql 0SowKNy4Mhzy92ZNFZ38lYU= =673b -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From mharris at redhat.com Wed Oct 22 15:01:33 2003 From: mharris at redhat.com (Mike A. Harris) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 11:01:33 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Aiptek 6000U tablet and XFree86-4.3 In-Reply-To: <004201c39883$4b8fd140$fc01a8c0@cpdtoni> References: <004201c39883$4b8fd140$fc01a8c0@cpdtoni> Message-ID: On Wed, 22 Oct 2003, Toni Guedes wrote: >Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 08:00:15 -0200 >From: Toni Guedes >To: Fedora-Test >Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" >List-Id: For testers of Red Hat Linux beta releases > >Subject: Aiptek 6000U tablet and XFree86-4.3 > >Hi, > >Can someone tell me if Aiptek's 6000U tablets (USB) are supported in >XFree86-4.3 and how to configure it? xfree86 at xfree86.org might be more helpful if you don't get any responses here. Hope that helps. TTYL -- Mike A. Harris ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris OS Systems Engineer - XFree86 maintainer - Red Hat From jkeating at j2solutions.net Wed Oct 22 15:03:52 2003 From: jkeating at j2solutions.net (Jesse Keating) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 08:03:52 -0700 Subject: Games doesent work in Fedora test 3 In-Reply-To: <3F96974A.4060801@linuxin.dk> References: <3F95769F.3080502@linuxin.dk> <1066809492.5398.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> <3F96974A.4060801@linuxin.dk> Message-ID: <200310220803.52203.jkeating@j2solutions.net> On Wednesday 22 October 2003 07:42, Bjorn Andersen uttered: > [skunk at Mars skunk]$ armyops > Xlib: extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0". > Xlib: extension "XiG-SUNDRY-NONSTANDARD" missing on display ":0.0". > CTRL-C before main loop ... forcing exit. DRI is missing, so you don't have a 3d card or your drivers are incorrectly set up. -- Jesse Keating RHCE MCSE (http://geek.j2solutions.net) Fedora Legacy Team (http://www.fedora.us/wiki/FedoraLegacy) Mondo DevTeam (www.mondorescue.org) GPG Public Key (http://geek.j2solutions.net/jkeating.j2solutions.pub) Was I helpful? Let others know: http://svcs.affero.net/rm.php?r=jkeating -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: signature URL: From cantisan at bol.com.br Wed Oct 22 15:04:02 2003 From: cantisan at bol.com.br (cantisan) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 13:04:02 -0200 Subject: Please tell me how I am to know when grub is available to me? Message-ID: Please tell me how I am to know when grub is available to me? Remember, I don't see the screen, and I don't use a braille display (like your dad does). So, how do I know that it's now Grub Time? Please make your answer unambiguous. I don't want to hear about hard drive activity, etc. Janina Sajka I read some Grub documentation and I think there are no way to know... Is it true Alan ? __________________________________________________________________________ Acabe com aquelas janelinhas que pulam na sua tela. AntiPop-up UOL - ? gr?tis! http://antipopup.uol.com.br/ From mharris at redhat.com Wed Oct 22 15:06:03 2003 From: mharris at redhat.com (Mike A. Harris) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 11:06:03 -0400 (EDT) Subject: .xinitrc and .xession not being read? In-Reply-To: <1066833303.7705.46.camel@suburbia> References: <1066833303.7705.46.camel@suburbia> Message-ID: On Wed, 22 Oct 2003, Joshua Legbandt wrote: >Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 07:35:03 -0700 >From: Joshua Legbandt >To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com >Content-Type: text/plain >List-Id: For testers of Red Hat Linux beta releases > >Subject: .xinitrc and .xession not being read? > >Since I've upgraded to the fedora core 1 test series from Red Hat 9 >(originally to post severn rawhide) and started logging in through gdm, >I've noticed that my .xinitrc and my .xsession (one is a symbolic link >to the other) are not getting invoked. Specifically, I have the >following lines that are not being executed via my .xsession: > >xset fp+ /home/finn/.xfonts >xset fp rehash Red Hat Linux by default uses "xfs" for serving fonts, and the X server is not used for serving fonts. The "xset fp" commands tell the X server (not xfs) to manipulate it's fontpath and add/remove/refresh/etc. the X server font path only. If your X server is not reconfigured to allow this to work properly, by enabling the various font modules in the Modules section of the X server config file, if you try to add font paths with xset to the X server and those FPEs contain fonts that the X server does not have a module loaded to handle, then the request will be ignored as the X server isn't capable of doing what you've asked in its current configuration. >I've only noticed this now, not months ago, due to the fact that >I am now using xterm to connect to certain hosts that behave >funny when I use gnome-terminal. Had I never had to connect to >the hosts, and hence use xterm, I probably would never have >noticed this. Anyone have any ideas on why this is occurring? You might want to put the fonts in ~/.fonts instead and use xterm with the -fa switch to get antialiased fonts using the fontconfig/Xft client side font mechanism instead of the aging legacy core fonts subsystem. Hope this helps. TTYL -- Mike A. Harris ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris OS Systems Engineer - XFree86 maintainer - Red Hat From david.balazic at uni-mb.si Wed Oct 22 15:08:04 2003 From: david.balazic at uni-mb.si (DAVID BALAZIC) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 17:08:04 +0200 Subject: Games doesent work in Fedora test 3 Message-ID: <01L24XT59XMA001WYS@rcum.uni-mb.si> Bjorn Andersen wrote: >Mike A. Harris skrev: > >>On Tue, 21 Oct 2003, Bjorn Andersen wrote: >> >> >> >>>I just tryed to install som games in Fedora Test 3. >>>The games was: >>> >>>Enemy Teritory >>>Unreal Tournament >>>Americas Army 1.9 >>>Unreal Tournament 2003 >>> >>>My hardware is: >>>Intell P4 2.4 HT >>>Nvidia FX 5600, and i have OpenGL working (I did export "CC=gcc32" ) >>> >>>The only game that cold start, was the old Unreal Tournament :-( >>>All other exited without to show any graphics. >>> >>>Has anyone submittet at bug report in bugzilla for this? >>> >>> >> >>Nvidia's binary proprietary drivers are unsupported, so unless >>this problem is reproduceable using the "nv" driver, or using >>alternate video hardware with stock provided/supported video >>drivers, it will most likely be closed as a duplicate of bug >>number 73733 along with the other 400 or so dupes. ;o) >> >> >> >HMMM, if all newer OpenGL games doesent work under Fedora, and >everybuddy doesent care, then we will newer get great games for >(Fedora/RedHat) Linux :-( Do the games work OK in a different linux version ( red hat linux 9, for exmaple ) ? Did you try a different kernel, xfree86 or nvidia driver version ? -- David Balazic E-mail : david.balazic at uni-mb.si | living in sLOVEnija home page: http://surf.to/stein -- From akabi at speakeasy.net Wed Oct 22 15:12:08 2003 From: akabi at speakeasy.net (ne...) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 11:12:08 -0400 (EDT) Subject: .xinitrc and .xession not being read? In-Reply-To: <1066833303.7705.46.camel@suburbia> References: <1066833303.7705.46.camel@suburbia> Message-ID: On Oct 22, 2003 at 07:35, Joshua Legbandt in a soothing rage wrote: >Since I've upgraded to the fedora core 1 test series from Red Hat 9 >(originally to post severn rawhide) and started logging in through gdm, >I've noticed that my .xinitrc and my .xsession (one is a symbolic link >to the other) are not getting invoked. Specifically, I have the >following lines that are not being executed via my .xsession: You may have to link them to ~/.Xclients-default. I know this is what is used when startx is used. I have neither .xinitrc nor .xsession on my system. N.Emile... -- Registered Linux User # 125653 (http://counter.li.org) Switch to: http://www.speakeasy.net/refer/190653 Frankly, Scarlett, I don't have a fix. -- Rhett Buggler 10:45:40 up 58 days, 22:20, 5 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 From bwheadley at earthlink.net Wed Oct 22 15:20:11 2003 From: bwheadley at earthlink.net (Bryan W. Headley) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 10:20:11 -0500 Subject: Aiptek 6000U tablet and XFree86-4.3 In-Reply-To: <004201c39883$4b8fd140$fc01a8c0@cpdtoni> References: <004201c39883$4b8fd140$fc01a8c0@cpdtoni> Message-ID: <3F96A02B.8050606@earthlink.net> Toni Guedes wrote: >Hi, > >Can someone tell me if Aiptek's 6000U tablets (USB) are supported in >XFree86-4.3 and how to configure it? > > > http://aiptektablet.sf.net From maport1 at uky.edu Wed Oct 22 14:55:45 2003 From: maport1 at uky.edu (Michael Anthony Porter) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 10:55:45 -0400 Subject: Games doesent work in Fedora test 3 Message-ID: <1066834545.3f4271c0maport1@uky.edu> > In Americas Army i get: > > [skunk at Mars skunk]$ armyops > Xlib: extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0". > Xlib: extension "XiG-SUNDRY-NONSTANDARD" missing on display ":0.0". > CTRL-C before main loop ... forcing exit. > [skunk at Mars skunk]$ > I solved the DRI problem (which fixes America's Army) on my system using this help: https://listman.redhat.com/archives/rhl-beta-list/2003-August/msg00357.html ================================== Michael A. Porter University of Kentucky From nsilva-list at aoi.atari-source.com Wed Oct 22 15:23:00 2003 From: nsilva-list at aoi.atari-source.com (Noah Silva [Mailing list]) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 11:23:00 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Network Config In-Reply-To: <1066828256.3547.42.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: > > Oops, brain not fully caffeinated yet. It doesn't necessarily follow > that your cable modem would get confused in your case. But for all > practical purposes and to ease the learning curve, I would still go with > static IP's here. Which reminds me, any chance of Redhat getting Zeroconf support? I realize that redhat's primary focus is the enterprise, where the norm is static IPs and DHCP, but the auto IP, and particularly Multi-cast DNS are important for home users. When I read about this first, I was extremely impressed with apple, and then happy to head mandrake had adopted it too, but I've been waiting to see who else might ship it out of the box. Anyone can install HOWL, but having it set up to reflect the actual services the box has installed, etc., is quite another thing. -- noah silva From joe at tmsusa.com Wed Oct 22 15:26:24 2003 From: joe at tmsusa.com (Joe) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 08:26:24 -0700 Subject: Games doesent work in Fedora test 3 In-Reply-To: <1066829680.4491.14.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <3F95769F.3080502@linuxin.dk> <3F959DAF.60305@linuxin.dk> <200310211410.02540.jkeating@j2solutions.net> <3F960C98.9060901@linuxin.dk> <1066809492.5398.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1066829680.4491.14.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <3F96A1A0.6090104@tmsusa.com> Steve Bergman wrote: >On Wed, 2003-10-22 at 02:58, Lauri Jutila wrote: > > > >>As there has been some discussion about Fedora's ability to support >>games, I'll test the following games later today: Quake3, Sid Meier's >>Alpha Centauri, Railroad Tycoon II, Enemy Territory and America's Army. >>Report on progress will follow. >> >> >> > >Return to Castle Wolfenstein, Quake 3, Rune, Unreal Tournament, >TuxRacer, and Chromium all work fine on my Radeon 9100 AGP and the >current rawhide. The speed is great, too. > >I dumped my closed NVidia card in favor of the open and supported Radeon >and have not regretted it. It took the Radeon driver guys a while >(years) to get it right, but it seems that they have. It's fast, >stable, and Free. > It's interesting to hear that the stability and speed of the radeon are catching up to the nvidia - perhaps I'll try another ATI card soon and see for myself - but in the meantime, how much do you want for that nvidia? :-) Joe From nsilva-list at aoi.atari-source.com Wed Oct 22 15:27:16 2003 From: nsilva-list at aoi.atari-source.com (Noah Silva [Mailing list]) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 11:27:16 -0400 (EDT) Subject: removable media In-Reply-To: <3F96646D.8070407@tuins.ac.jp> Message-ID: > >2. 32Meg samsung usb jumpdrive: Same /dev/sda and /dev/sdb errors, the > >floppy drive is accessed, and it doesn't add to /etc/fstab nor automount. > > > Haven't been paying close attention to this point these days, but don't > these things still have to be dealt with manually first go? I mean Im my experience yes. In debian, it's no surprise, but I thoguht with Kudzu, they would at least be added at reboot (especially from the "updating fstab" message), but it just doesn't seem to happen. (Yet in mandrake, they get added, and mounted in real time somehow). > making a manual fstab entry, creating a mount point, and then, after > that, mounting the thing however you like? Or has something marvelous > changed? Does seem that now once an entry has been added to the fstab, > the mountpoint specificed therein immediately appears in the Disks > submenu when you right click on yoru GNOME desktop... this is what I have done for an SDRAM <-> PCMCIA adaptor and USB HDDs, I just have to set up manually. Also, I wonder how one configures Magicdev to work with other devices. I have looked, and found almozt zero documentation on magicdev (I wanted to use it in debian at one point). And, on my FC1t3 desktop, it doesn't work on either CD drive at all. On other machines I have installed, it seems to work ok... maybe it doesn't like multiple CD drives? -- noah silva From notting at redhat.com Wed Oct 22 15:29:29 2003 From: notting at redhat.com (Bill Nottingham) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 11:29:29 -0400 Subject: PROFTPD In-Reply-To: <3F96570C.2040200@vlugnet.org>; from ronny-vlug@vlugnet.org on Wed, Oct 22, 2003 at 12:08:12PM +0200 References: <20031021051124.GB18150@prince.homelinux.org> <20031021133752.B4312@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <3F96570C.2040200@vlugnet.org> Message-ID: <20031022112929.A27953@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Ronny Buchmann (ronny-vlug at vlugnet.org) said: > > No. We prefer the security history of vsftpd. :) > > So why not use pureftpd? Because we haven't had problems with vsftpd, and it's had both a good stability and performance record in our use. (i.e., if it isn't broken, don't fix it...) pure-ftpd sounds useful for Fedora Extras as well, starting out. In general, the proliferation of 10 versions of is not really a goal of Fedora Core. Bill From iainr at zathras.org Wed Oct 22 15:31:59 2003 From: iainr at zathras.org (Iain Rae) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 16:31:59 +0100 Subject: Please tell me how I am to know when grub is available to me? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3F96A2EF.7050608@zathras.org> cantisan wrote: >Please tell me how I am to know when grub is available >to me? Remember, I don't see the screen, and I don't use >a braille display (like your dad does). So, how do I >know that it's now Grub Time? > >Please make your answer unambiguous. I don't want to >hear about hard drive activity, etc. > >Janina Sajka > >I read some Grub documentation and I think there are no >way to know... Is it true Alan ? > > Actually there is, you need to put control G characters into the title option(s) in the menu.lst file. if you put a differnet number of control G's in each title option it'll beep that number of times. > >__________________________________________________________________________ >Acabe com aquelas janelinhas que pulam na sua tela. >AntiPop-up UOL - ? gr?tis! >http://antipopup.uol.com.br/ > > > >-- >fedora-test-list mailing list >fedora-test-list at redhat.com >http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > From nsilva-list at aoi.atari-source.com Wed Oct 22 15:33:18 2003 From: nsilva-list at aoi.atari-source.com (Noah Silva [Mailing list]) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 11:33:18 -0400 (EDT) Subject: video card: comments please? In-Reply-To: <1066774773.5410.5.camel@ibmLaptop.athome.de> Message-ID: > > MSI GFX FX5200-TD128 AGP8X > > http://www.infocomputer.ca/Storefront/Item.asp?ItemID=1848 > > > > Opinions, comments, please? > > I'm considering to buy a new graphics card, too. The MSI GFX is based on > a nvidea chip. Im read a lot about problems with nvidea drivers. May be > better to buy a ATI controller or a Matrox? The difference between an ATI and an NVIDIA is: If you install linux out of the box, using open source drivers, most Radeon cards are supported in 3D mode. Most NVIDIA cards are not. [very] Newer ATI cards, and all NVIDIA cards require the installation of binary only drivers (and that means you pretty much have to be on x86 ;<), so your options are less flexible, and you have installation and updating pain, but likely better performance. -- noah silva From notting at redhat.com Wed Oct 22 15:34:32 2003 From: notting at redhat.com (Bill Nottingham) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 11:34:32 -0400 Subject: 'MUSTFIX' Fedora Bug Day: Tomorrow err I mean Today!!!!!!!!! In-Reply-To: <20031022124646.GB24349@shitake.truemesh.com>; from pauln@truemesh.com on Wed, Oct 22, 2003 at 01:46:48PM +0100 References: <1066802371.2743.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20031022124646.GB24349@shitake.truemesh.com> Message-ID: <20031022113432.C27953@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Paul Nasrat (pauln at truemesh.com) said: > On Wed, Oct 22, 2003 at 01:59:32AM -0400, Jef Spaleta wrote: > > > There are more than a few NEEDSINFO and NEW bugs in that list that the > > 'right' people in community could probably chime in on with useful > > information. So take a look over the list and see if there is any issue > > yuu can get closer to a meaningful resolution. > > Quick question - what should be done about MODIFIED bugs do they need to > be verified and recommend go to QA? Just verifying that they are fixed and closing them works for me. Bill From nsilva-list at aoi.atari-source.com Wed Oct 22 15:35:20 2003 From: nsilva-list at aoi.atari-source.com (Noah Silva [Mailing list]) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 11:35:20 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Gnome and KDE: Start new Session button? In-Reply-To: <3F95AF7C.6050303@web.de> Message-ID: I think GDM should just always keep one more login screen open than the currently used ones. (i.e. start on F7, and then when you log in, start another login on F8, etc.)... but we can all wish... -- noah silva On Wed, 22 Oct 2003, Christoph Wickert wrote: > Hi! > > Usually both kde (since 3.1.2 I think) and gnome (since 2.2) have a > button "Start new session" which opens a new gdm or kdm on F8-F10. > Why are these buttons not on fedora? I think they are very usefull. > > Christoph > > -- > "Wenn zu perfekt - Gott b?se." > Nam June Paik > _______________________________ > > Christoph Wickert > mailto:christoph.wickert at web.de > > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > From czar at czarc.net Wed Oct 22 15:37:03 2003 From: czar at czarc.net (Gene C.) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 11:37:03 -0400 Subject: rawhide: nice test case Message-ID: <200310221137.03445.czar@czarc.net> It was nice of the Red Hat folks to provide me with some new testing with their disabling of rawhide (for reorganization). So far I have found three bugs which I have reported -- one in up2date, one in gftp, and one in lftp. While these bugs are "corner cases", it will never get fixed if not reported by someone. -- Gene From michal at harddata.com Wed Oct 22 15:37:14 2003 From: michal at harddata.com (Michal Jaegermann) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 09:37:14 -0600 Subject: Network Config In-Reply-To: ; from nsilva-list@aoi.atari-source.com on Wed, Oct 22, 2003 at 11:23:00AM -0400 References: <1066828256.3547.42.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20031022093714.A27760@mail.harddata.com> On Wed, Oct 22, 2003 at 11:23:00AM -0400, Noah Silva [Mailing list] wrote: > > Which reminds me, any chance of Redhat getting Zeroconf support? Zeroconf routes started to show up few distributions back; which actually managed to confuse deeply some people I run into. :-) You have to turn that explicitely off in your network configuration if you do not wish to see these. How this really works with zeroconf devices I have no idea. I have yet to see one in real life. Michal From nsilva-list at aoi.atari-source.com Wed Oct 22 15:40:03 2003 From: nsilva-list at aoi.atari-source.com (Noah Silva [Mailing list]) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 11:40:03 -0400 (EDT) Subject: CD burner question In-Reply-To: <1066768008.2695.0.camel@T6.linux> Message-ID: > Hi, > > > TDK velocd rewriter > > It's USB 2.0/USB 1.1 > > Should be okay. I wish there was one comprehensive site that listed things supported/not supported well (out of the box with minimal setup and no 3rd party binary drivers needed) with linux. linuxprinting.org is a start. some of the linux vendors have thier own compatibility section, but it's usually incomplete, they could try combining them... hope springs eternal.. -- noah silva From kaboom at gatech.edu Wed Oct 22 15:45:44 2003 From: kaboom at gatech.edu (Chris Ricker) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 11:45:44 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Network Config In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, 22 Oct 2003, Noah Silva [Mailing list] wrote: > Which reminds me, any chance of Redhat getting Zeroconf support? I > realize that redhat's primary focus is the enterprise, where the norm is > static IPs and DHCP, but the auto IP, and particularly Multi-cast DNS are > important for home users. When I read about this first, I was extremely > impressed with apple, and then happy to head mandrake had adopted it too, > but I've been waiting to see who else might ship it out of the box. > Anyone can install HOWL, but having it set up to reflect the actual > services the box has installed, etc., is quite another thing. Interfaces are enabled by default now, but that's the extent of the support. Something like howl needs to be integrated into the distribution for real, usable zeroconf support, but that's not currently done. Further discussion would make more sense over on fedora-devel-list; Reply-To set. later, chris From nsilva-list at aoi.atari-source.com Wed Oct 22 15:47:14 2003 From: nsilva-list at aoi.atari-source.com (Noah Silva [Mailing list]) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 11:47:14 -0400 (EDT) Subject: removable media In-Reply-To: <04b901c3980d$d0a9eda0$9100000a@intgrp.com> Message-ID: > I have: > > 2. 32Meg samsung usb jumpdrive: Same /dev/sda and /dev/sdb errors, the > floppy drive is accessed, and it doesn't add to /etc/fstab nor automount. The floppy drive? did you try to mount it manually like: su root mkdir /mnt/jumpdrive mount /dev/sba /jumpdrive ? I usually do this before putting it in fstab. I don't expect redhat to do any of this stuff automatically yet, unfortunately. It seems not to be a focus ;( > I have another 128Meg SuperTalent jumpdrive I haven't tested yet but I also > probably won't work. All devices work in WinME with not additional drivers. > Is there a way to get nautilus to give me a drive icon for this stuff? Or > are there still kernel issues preventing this? If it's a kernel issue, then it's a kernel issue, but that doesn't affect nautilus. Amusingly enough, I have some external USB hard drive that will work in linux, but not in windows! Nautilus will give you a drive icon (and menu items to mount/unmount it) as soon as it is in fstab. Assuming you can mount it manually, copy the CDROM line in fstab, and modify it to suit your needs. > -eric wood -- noah silva From kaboom at gatech.edu Wed Oct 22 15:48:16 2003 From: kaboom at gatech.edu (Chris Ricker) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 11:48:16 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Network Config In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, 22 Oct 2003, Chris Ricker wrote: > Further discussion would make more sense over on fedora-devel-list; Reply-To > set. Which, of course, the @#$% mailman MLM promptly overwrote because it knows better than I do how I want my emails routed. later, chris From nsilva-list at aoi.atari-source.com Wed Oct 22 15:52:46 2003 From: nsilva-list at aoi.atari-source.com (Noah Silva [Mailing list]) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 11:52:46 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Speakup in kernel In-Reply-To: <20031021195509.GM14973@rednote.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 21 Oct 2003, Janina Sajka wrote: > Oh, it's clear RH has no intention. What is now also clear is that the > reasoning is highly suspect. In fact, prejudicial against persons with > disabilities. Not hard to make that case from this thread. This is a joke, right? In the end, redhat owns their distribution, and they will include what they want, and not include what they don't want to. I really doubt that whining will change this as much as creative suggestions. Nothing is stopping anyone from installing a speakup kernel. I applaud every effort to support those with disabilities, but coming on the mailing list to try to force redhat's hand? It just isn't going to happen. -- noah silva From steve at rueb.com Wed Oct 22 15:53:30 2003 From: steve at rueb.com (Steve Bergman) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 10:53:30 -0500 Subject: Games doesent work in Fedora test 3 In-Reply-To: <3F96A1A0.6090104@tmsusa.com> References: <3F95769F.3080502@linuxin.dk> <3F959DAF.60305@linuxin.dk> <200310211410.02540.jkeating@j2solutions.net> <3F960C98.9060901@linuxin.dk> <1066809492.5398.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1066829680.4491.14.camel@localhost.localdomain> <3F96A1A0.6090104@tmsusa.com> Message-ID: <1066838009.4491.33.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2003-10-22 at 10:26, Joe wrote: > Steve Bergman wrote: > > > > It's interesting to hear that the stability and speed of the radeon are > catching up to the nvidia - perhaps I'll try another ATI card soon and > see for myself - but in the meantime, how much do you want for that > nvidia? :-) I suffered with the open source radeon drivers for my Radeon QD for over a year, experiencing periodic lock ups when switching between X and VC's, and living with inferior speed, inferior 3D video quality, and unsupported hardware features. Not to mention that ATI had come out with the 8000 series, and then the 9000 series, totally unsupported by the open source driver, and that driver still didn't even fully support the original radeon. I finally broke down and got a geforce2 and later replaced that with a geforce 4 MX440. (Oh, the shame! It's a bit like using the One Ring, I suppose...) Happily, I now like my Radeon 9100 better than the G4MX440. I notice that sometime between the release of severn 1 and the present, the driver performance seems to have improved siginificantly. I think Fedeora is using a later driver than standard XFree 4.3? I can run RTWC with all the stops pulled out, 1280x102, 32 bit, everything set to high, extra, "you crazy" (it's a RTCW thing), trilinear, etc and performance is good on my AMD XP 2100+/Radeon 9100 AGP system. AGP 4X works without flaw on my via chipset. Like I say, it took a loooong time, but the drivers are now prety good. On the negative side, the (rather hard to find) 9100 is the most advanced chipset supported (or the 9200 or old 8500 if you are one of the people who feel that those are better boards). From don.vanco at agilysys.com Wed Oct 22 15:54:29 2003 From: don.vanco at agilysys.com (Vanco, Don) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 11:54:29 -0400 Subject: Q on rhn_register / up2date channel settings Message-ID: Jeremy Portzer wrote: > On Wed, 2003-10-22 at 10:16, Vanco, Don wrote: >> I've resolved portions of >> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=107548 >> >> ...but now, while my system will _register_ with RHN it's telling me >> that I have an invalid OS/Architecture combo (0.95 and i686) and it >> gives me NO available channels via RHN. > > There is not an RHN channel for 0.95, this is is the expected > behavior. This has been discussed dozens of times on this list > already. You'll have to forgive me if I cannot keep up with the 200 massages a day this list now generates (not that the "your bootloader sux" and "what video card should I buy?" threads haven't been edge-of-my-seat reading) - my day job precludes making testing Fedora a full time occupation. But I have, in fact edited as others have to enable yum repositories @ Duke (yum rawhide http://mirror.dulug.duke.edu/pub/yum-repository/redhat/rawhide/) > Edit your sources file to use yum or apt instead; the yum/rawhide > configuration is what many of us are using. (Rawhide is down at this > moment, but you can use a mirror.) Been there, done that - "yum " continues to look at http://mirror.dulug.duke.edu/pub/yum-repository/redhat/Null/blahbedy-blah regardless of what I put into either yum.conf or sources (and use of -c options) which is confusing the hell out of me Don From dawson at fnal.gov Wed Oct 22 16:01:01 2003 From: dawson at fnal.gov (Troy Dawson) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 11:01:01 -0500 Subject: lilo vs grub In-Reply-To: <1066744109.24096.17.camel@jeremy.dtcc.cc.nc.us> References: <3F931F56.4050400@bol.com.br> <20031020165549.GC12274@rednote.net> <1066708062.2070.5.camel@bettie.internal.frields.org> <200310210941.13704.tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie> <1066744109.24096.17.camel@jeremy.dtcc.cc.nc.us> Message-ID: <3F96A9BD.1000801@fnal.gov> Jeremy Portzer wrote: > On Tue, 2003-10-21 at 04:41, Timothy Murphy wrote: > >>I've seen many requests for grub to add the LILO feature >>allowing a one-time boot into a non-default kernel, >>but nothing has been done. > > > Incorrect. This feature is present since Fri Mar 08 2002, according to > the grub changelog, and was included in RHL 7.3 and later. Use the > "--once" flag to the "savedefault" command. I agree it's not quite as > convenient as the LILO method, but it most certainly is there and has > been there for over 18 months. > > Please stop posting obviously incorrect comments; this is no better than > the folks who claim LILO isn't being maintained. > > >>I've seen many comments about grub documentation >>but nothing has been done. > > > There is plenty of documentation for grub in the "info" pages. Perhaps > you are not aware of how to use "info"? I prefer the "pinfo" viewer to > the standard one myself. > > --Jeremy > Hi Jermey, OK, so I've spent over an hour looking through the "info" pages. In fact, I've even zgrep'ed through it, I CANNOT FIND THIS OPTION. So, if it isn't in the man pages (where most people look) and it isn't in the info pages, then it doesn't really matter that it's been out for 18 months does it, because your average joe has no clue that it's there or how to use it. Personally, I think the grub info pages are great for the grub developers. They are completely horrible for the end user or even the average system admin. So, since the info is there, and you surely know how to use info, can you please send me a cut an paste from the info pages, and please let know what section of the info pages it is in. Troy Dawson -- __________________________________________________ Troy Dawson dawson at fnal.gov (630)840-6468 Fermilab ComputingDivision/CSS CSI Group __________________________________________________ From iainr at zathras.org Wed Oct 22 16:03:01 2003 From: iainr at zathras.org (Iain Rae) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 17:03:01 +0100 Subject: lilo vs grub In-Reply-To: <20031021155847.GN9683@rednote.net> References: <3F931F56.4050400@bol.com.br> <3F934E72.6080201@insight.rr.com> <20031020033323.GB2165@mark.mielke.cc> <20031020164949.GB12274@rednote.net> <20031020225226.GB7662@mark.mielke.cc> <20031021155847.GN9683@rednote.net> Message-ID: <3F96AA35.5030709@zathras.org> Janina Sajka wrote: >But, since you seem to need to be spoon fed, here's one issue. > >Please tell me how I am to know when grub is available to me? Remember, >I don't see the screen, and I don't use a braille display (like your dad >does). So, how do I know that it's now Grub Time? > > put control G characters in the "title" lines in your menu.lst file, if you put 1 in the first title line, 2 in the second etc you'll get a volley of beeps when the menu comes up and a beep every time you move the selection up and down. When you boot an option you'll get the same number of beeps as control G's in the title. From pp at ee.oulu.fi Wed Oct 22 16:03:08 2003 From: pp at ee.oulu.fi (Pekka Pietikainen) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 19:03:08 +0300 Subject: PROFTPD In-Reply-To: <20031022112929.A27953@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <20031021051124.GB18150@prince.homelinux.org> <20031021133752.B4312@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <3F96570C.2040200@vlugnet.org> <20031022112929.A27953@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20031022160308.GA6573@ee.oulu.fi> On Wed, Oct 22, 2003 at 11:29:29AM -0400, Bill Nottingham wrote: > Ronny Buchmann (ronny-vlug at vlugnet.org) said: > > > No. We prefer the security history of vsftpd. :) > > > > So why not use pureftpd? > > Because we haven't had problems with vsftpd, and it's had both > a good stability and performance record in our use. (i.e., if > it isn't broken, don't fix it...) So the question is, why pureftpd? :-) Only useful (to me) thing vsftpd doesn't do is SSL/TLS, and I can live without that, since it's such a beautifully engineered piece of software :-) -- Pekka Pietikainen From elwoo at videotron.ca Wed Oct 22 16:24:34 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 12:24:34 -0400 Subject: Gnome AND kde conflicting In-Reply-To: <1066831803.8583.44.camel@hal9000.lokales.netz> References: <1066831803.8583.44.camel@hal9000.lokales.netz> Message-ID: <200310221224.34745.elwoo@videotron.ca> On October 22, 2003 10:10 am, Christoph Wickert , > wrote: > I think sharing settings from gnome and kde is generally a bad idea. > > Desktop: Using the same desktop folder results in: > - 2 Homes: One is opened with nautilus, the other in konqueror. > - KDE drive icons not working with gnome desktop. > - Default kde name for a cdrom is "CD/DVD-ROM", on gnome desktop it > appears as: "CD%2fDVD-ROM" (German locale) > - No icons (ether in gnome or kde) if you decide to choose a different > icon theme than bluecurve. > - and lots of other "No Name"s on the desktop. Red Hat is dedicated to creating a unified (KDE / Gnome desktop) See previous comments from RH people in the shrike-list, and also do a google search for reviews of "Red Hat 8.0" and "Red Hat 9" I also *strongly suggest*: 1) Please open a bug report on bugzilla (to report the non-working items and duplicata on the desktop) 2) Enter an RFE (similar procedure) on bugzilla, if you want these options. 3) you may also wish to add comments to the following KDE bugs: 102532, 102533, 104478, 104479 ... to name a few ... cheers, Elton ;-) -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From phil-ml at techworks.ie Wed Oct 22 16:46:22 2003 From: phil-ml at techworks.ie (Philip Trickett) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 17:46:22 +0100 Subject: Games doesent work in Fedora test 3 In-Reply-To: <1066809492.5398.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <3F95769F.3080502@linuxin.dk> <3F959DAF.60305@linuxin.dk> <200310211410.02540.jkeating@j2solutions.net> <3F960C98.9060901@linuxin.dk> <1066809492.5398.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1066841182.7865.41.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2003-10-22 at 08:58, Lauri Jutila wrote: > > Savage's problem is that reports "Couldn't allocate AGP Memory: make > sure you have agpgart driver in your kernel". I have tested with both > NVIDIA's AGP driver and kernel's AGPGART module, but neither work (yet). > I can enter the game and all is well except fps is terrible (around > 5-10). I had that problem too initially. On my system it was related to the MESA libGL, which are in /usr/X11R6/lib/tls/ just rename them to .old and it should work fine. HTH. Phil From joe at tmsusa.com Wed Oct 22 16:53:49 2003 From: joe at tmsusa.com (joe) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 09:53:49 -0700 Subject: Games doesent work in Fedora test 3 In-Reply-To: <3F96974A.4060801@linuxin.dk> References: <3F95769F.3080502@linuxin.dk> <3F959DAF.60305@linuxin.dk> <200310211410.02540.jkeating@j2solutions.net> <3F960C98.9060901@linuxin.dk> <1066809492.5398.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> <3F96974A.4060801@linuxin.dk> Message-ID: <3F96B61D.30902@tmsusa.com> Bjorn Andersen wrote: > > [skunk at Mars skunk]$ armyops > Xlib: extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0". > Xlib: extension "XiG-SUNDRY-NONSTANDARD" missing on display ":0.0". > CTRL-C before main loop ... forcing exit. > [skunk at Mars skunk]$ > > None of the games i tryed (Unreal Tournament 2003, Enemy Teritory and > Americas Army) was able to start. It has nothing to do with OpenGL > from Nvidia. Im not eaven able to choos OpenGL in the game, so it must > still use software rendering. > I was getting that also on the 3D screensavers, but I removed the mesa GL libs: rpm -evv --nodeps XFree86-Mesa-libGL-4.3.0-37 and all the 3D screensavers work now - I will check some 3D fps games later. Joe From ba at linuxin.dk Wed Oct 22 16:59:21 2003 From: ba at linuxin.dk (Bjorn Andersen) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 18:59:21 +0200 Subject: Games doesent work in Fedora test 3 In-Reply-To: <200310220803.52203.jkeating@j2solutions.net> References: <3F95769F.3080502@linuxin.dk> <1066809492.5398.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> <3F96974A.4060801@linuxin.dk> <200310220803.52203.jkeating@j2solutions.net> Message-ID: <3F96B769.10001@linuxin.dk> Jesse Keating skrev: >On Wednesday 22 October 2003 07:42, Bjorn Andersen uttered: > > >>[skunk at Mars skunk]$ armyops >>Xlib: extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0". >>Xlib: extension "XiG-SUNDRY-NONSTANDARD" missing on display ":0.0". >>CTRL-C before main loop ... forcing exit. >> >> > >DRI is missing, so you don't have a 3d card or your drivers are incorrectly >set up. > > > Strange, the NVIDIA logo shows at X startup, and Unreal Tournament plays well (crashes somtimes). -- Linux Because making UNIX user friendly is easier then debugging Windows From christoph.wickert at web.de Wed Oct 22 17:07:31 2003 From: christoph.wickert at web.de (Christoph Wickert) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 19:07:31 +0200 Subject: Gnome and KDE: Start new Session button? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3F96B953.3070602@web.de> Noah Silva [Mailing list] schrieb: >I think GDM should just always keep one more login screen open than the >currently used ones. (i.e. start on F7, and then when you log in, start >another login on F8, etc.)... but we can all wish... > > -- noah silva > This is what it usually does: the default /etc/kde/kdm/xservers looks like this: # Examples for multiple local X displays: # :0 local /usr/X11R6/bin/X :0 vt9 -bpp 16 # :1 local /usr/X11R6/bin/X :1 vt10 -bpp 8 :0 local at tty1 /usr/X11R6/bin/X :0 -dpi 100 -nolisten tcp vt7 :1 local reserve /usr/X11R6/bin/X :1 -dpi 100 -nolisten tcp vt8 :2 local reserve /usr/X11R6/bin/X :2 -dpi 100 -nolisten tcp vt9 :3 local reserve /usr/X11R6/bin/X :3 -dpi 100 -nolisten tcp vt10 The reserve xservers are started by "Start new Session". I'm not sure, what this button does. As a workaround I've setup 2 local displays (I think 2 are enough), but the second one is not on demand. Mayby someone from Redhat call tell, why this feature is disabled in the versions of gnome and kde shipped with fedora. Thanks a lot Christoph -- "Wenn zu perfekt - Gott b?se." Nam June Paik _______________________________ Christoph Wickert mailto:christoph.wickert at web.de From marguz at ameritech.net Wed Oct 22 17:06:18 2003 From: marguz at ameritech.net (Mark Guzzo) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 12:06:18 -0500 Subject: CD burner question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1066842378.5459.1.camel@LORDLINUX.global.shsystem.org> On Wed, 2003-10-22 at 10:40, Noah Silva [Mailing list] wrote: > > Hi, > > > > > TDK velocd rewriter > > > It's USB 2.0/USB 1.1 > > > > Should be okay. > > I wish there was one comprehensive site that listed things supported/not > supported well (out of the box with minimal setup and no 3rd party binary > drivers needed) with linux. > > linuxprinting.org is a start. > > some of the linux vendors have thier own compatibility section, but it's > usually incomplete, they could try combining them... hope springs > eternal.. > > -- noah silva Well I have a guy here at work that has the same drive I'm looking at getting. So I'll test the drive and PCI USB 2 card at home. Thanks From ronny-vlug at vlugnet.org Wed Oct 22 17:12:12 2003 From: ronny-vlug at vlugnet.org (Ronny Buchmann) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 19:12:12 +0200 Subject: PROFTPD In-Reply-To: <20031022160308.GA6573@ee.oulu.fi> References: <20031021051124.GB18150@prince.homelinux.org> <20031022112929.A27953@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <20031022160308.GA6573@ee.oulu.fi> Message-ID: <200310221912.12310.ronny-vlug@vlugnet.org> Am Mittwoch, 22. Oktober 2003 18:03 schrieb Pekka Pietikainen: > On Wed, Oct 22, 2003 at 11:29:29AM -0400, Bill Nottingham wrote: > > Ronny Buchmann (ronny-vlug at vlugnet.org) said: > > > > No. We prefer the security history of vsftpd. :) > > > > > > So why not use pureftpd? > > > > Because we haven't had problems with vsftpd, and it's had both > > a good stability and performance record in our use. (i.e., if > > it isn't broken, don't fix it...) > > So the question is, why pureftpd? :-) - ldap/*sql/custom authentication (without pam)! - extensive support for virtual users (per user quota/ratio/bandwidth/...) - extensive statistics - upload scripts - ssl/tls - i18n - nice configuration tools - security record similar to vsftpd ;) > Only useful (to me) thing vsftpd doesn't do is SSL/TLS, and I can live > without that, since it's such a beautifully engineered piece of software > :-) vsftpd is fine as a basic anonymous ftp server, but not for ISPs and the like -- ronny -- http://LinuxWiki.org/RonnyBuchmann From mitr at volny.cz Wed Oct 22 17:21:19 2003 From: mitr at volny.cz (Miloslav Trmac) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 19:21:19 +0200 Subject: .xinitrc and .xession not being read? In-Reply-To: <1066833303.7705.46.camel@suburbia> References: <1066833303.7705.46.camel@suburbia> Message-ID: <20031022172119.GA11814@popelka.ms.mff.cuni.cz> On Wed, Oct 22, 2003 at 07:35:03AM -0700, Joshua Legbandt wrote: > Since I've upgraded to the fedora core 1 test series from Red Hat 9 > (originally to post severn rawhide) and started logging in through gdm, > I've noticed that my .xinitrc and my .xsession (one is a symbolic link > to the other) are not getting invoked. Yes, it looks like gdm now invokes gnome-session directly, bypassing /etc/X11/xinit/Xclients. This also means ~/.Xkbmap doesn't work. Mirek From ronny-vlug at vlugnet.org Wed Oct 22 17:21:47 2003 From: ronny-vlug at vlugnet.org (Ronny Buchmann) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 19:21:47 +0200 Subject: Gnome and KDE: Start new Session button? In-Reply-To: <3F96B953.3070602@web.de> References: <3F96B953.3070602@web.de> Message-ID: <200310221921.47636.ronny-vlug@vlugnet.org> Am Mittwoch, 22. Oktober 2003 19:07 schrieb Christoph Wickert: > Noah Silva [Mailing list] schrieb: > >I think GDM should just always keep one more login screen open than the > >currently used ones. (i.e. start on F7, and then when you log in, start > >another login on F8, etc.)... but we can all wish... > > > > -- noah silva > > This is what it usually does: the default /etc/kde/kdm/xservers looks > like this: > > # Examples for multiple local X displays: > # :0 local /usr/X11R6/bin/X :0 vt9 -bpp 16 > # :1 local /usr/X11R6/bin/X :1 vt10 -bpp 8 > > :0 local at tty1 /usr/X11R6/bin/X :0 -dpi 100 -nolisten tcp vt7 > :1 local reserve /usr/X11R6/bin/X :1 -dpi 100 -nolisten tcp vt8 > :2 local reserve /usr/X11R6/bin/X :2 -dpi 100 -nolisten tcp vt9 > :3 local reserve /usr/X11R6/bin/X :3 -dpi 100 -nolisten tcp vt10 > > The reserve xservers are started by "Start new Session". I'm not sure, > what this button does. As a workaround I've setup 2 local displays (I > think 2 are enough), but the second one is not on demand. > > Mayby someone from Redhat call tell, why this feature is disabled in the > versions of gnome and kde shipped with fedora. I think it is related to pam_console, multiple users on the console are problematic. -- ronny -- http://LinuxWiki.org/RonnyBuchmann From elwoo at videotron.ca Wed Oct 22 17:25:30 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 13:25:30 -0400 Subject: printing: legal vs letter-size? Message-ID: <200310221325.30275.elwoo@videotron.ca> Sometimes I need to print to legal-size inThe Gimp, so in redhat-config-printer, I set the default page size to legal. However, in mozilla, when I print to letter-size, the print starts baout 8 cm / 3.25 in from the top of the page. What is the prefereble / recommended (defualt printer) setting: letter-size or legal? Would setting it to letter-size allow me to get output from The Gimp on legal sized paper? .. and BTW, what's the *difference* between "American Foolscap" and "Legal - size". AFAIK, they are both the same, n'est pas? (8.50 in x 14 in) TIA, Elton 8>\ -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From mharris at redhat.com Wed Oct 22 17:31:14 2003 From: mharris at redhat.com (Mike A. Harris) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 13:31:14 -0400 (EDT) Subject: video card: comments please? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, 22 Oct 2003, Noah Silva [Mailing list] wrote: >> > MSI GFX FX5200-TD128 AGP8X >> > http://www.infocomputer.ca/Storefront/Item.asp?ItemID=1848 >> > >> > Opinions, comments, please? >> >> I'm considering to buy a new graphics card, too. The MSI GFX is based on >> a nvidea chip. Im read a lot about problems with nvidea drivers. May be >> better to buy a ATI controller or a Matrox? > >The difference between an ATI and an NVIDIA is: >If you install linux out of the box, using open source drivers, most >Radeon cards are supported in 3D mode. Correct. Radeon 9100 and older are 3D supported. Newer cards that have support at all, are 2D supported only. >Most NVIDIA cards are not. s/Most/All/ - there is no 3D acceleration support for any Nvidia hardware out of the box at all. DRI does not have Nvidia 3D support. >[very] Newer ATI cards, and all NVIDIA cards require the installation of >binary only drivers (and that means you pretty much have to be on x86 ;<), >so your options are less flexible, and you have installation and updating >pain, but likely better performance. Yep, for Radeon 9500 and newer hardware you require ATI's binary only drivers for 3D support. -- Mike A. Harris ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris OS Systems Engineer - XFree86 maintainer - Red Hat From mharris at redhat.com Wed Oct 22 17:35:55 2003 From: mharris at redhat.com (Mike A. Harris) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 13:35:55 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Gnome and KDE: Start new Session button? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, 22 Oct 2003, Noah Silva [Mailing list] wrote: >I think GDM should just always keep one more login screen open than the >currently used ones. (i.e. start on F7, and then when you log in, start >another login on F8, etc.)... but we can all wish... That wont happen because: 1) Not all video hardware and drivers support having multiple X server instances running on them. 2) For those drivers that do actually allow multiple X server instances, DRI will only work on the first instance as it does not support multiple X servers running on one card all 3D enabled. The Radeon driver in CVS has experimental support to do this however. 3) The number of problems that do arise when using multiple X servers on a single card are quite high, and rather complex to debug/troubleshoot. This would place a large support burden on Red Hat for something that XFree86 supports only in a highly experimental "if it works for you, great" manner. Users are free to customize their setups to run multiple X servers if they wish, but Red Hat will only support a single X server running on one video card at a time. People who run multiple servers and have crashes/problems are free to submit patches to fix the problems in bugzilla though. ;o) Hope this helps. -- Mike A. Harris ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris OS Systems Engineer - XFree86 maintainer - Red Hat From mharris at redhat.com Wed Oct 22 17:39:38 2003 From: mharris at redhat.com (Mike A. Harris) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 13:39:38 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Speakup in kernel In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, 22 Oct 2003, Noah Silva [Mailing list] wrote: >> Oh, it's clear RH has no intention. What is now also clear is that the >> reasoning is highly suspect. In fact, prejudicial against persons with >> disabilities. Not hard to make that case from this thread. > >This is a joke, right? > >In the end, redhat owns their distribution, and they will include what >they want, and not include what they don't want to. I really doubt that >whining will change this as much as creative suggestions. Nothing is >stopping anyone from installing a speakup kernel. > >I applaud every effort to support those with disabilities, but coming on >the mailing list to try to force redhat's hand? It just isn't going to >happen. Red Hat very much supports those with disabilities, and Section 508 compliance is a very important thing to Red Hat. That means that accessibility features are important to us, and that we will investigate various accesibility features/software out there for technical review for potential inclusion into the distribution. Like _ALL_ software that we review for possible inclusion into the distribution however, we have high standards, and if any software does not meet our standards, it may very well be rejected on technical grounds. People are free to invent conspiracy theories however if that is what they wish to do. -- Mike A. Harris ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris OS Systems Engineer - XFree86 maintainer - Red Hat From nsilva-list at aoi.atari-source.com Wed Oct 22 17:43:05 2003 From: nsilva-list at aoi.atari-source.com (Noah Silva [Mailing list]) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 13:43:05 -0400 (EDT) Subject: supermount or equiv? In-Reply-To: <01L23CBYE7IQ0017PX@rcum.uni-mb.si> Message-ID: > >> >> > Is there any support for automatically mounting a removable device, > >> >> > e.g., cdrom, when media is inserted? MagicDev. Comes with redhat, turned on by deafult, and mostly works. > >> Why do you want this ? > >So I can tell my newbie friend and he can stop using windoze. > > Instead of mounting on insert, I use mounitng on use. > I use the automounter to do that. Kind of hard to have things like auto-run then. > No buggy demon running around(magicdev), wasting RAM and doing > strange things to the hardware. It just works(TM). Well thi sis confusing an idea with implementation. If it doesn't work, it should be fixed, not trashed. -- noah silva From mharris at redhat.com Wed Oct 22 17:50:30 2003 From: mharris at redhat.com (Mike A. Harris) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 13:50:30 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Games doesent work in Fedora test 3 In-Reply-To: <1066838009.4491.33.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <3F95769F.3080502@linuxin.dk> <3F959DAF.60305@linuxin.dk> <200310211410.02540.jkeating@j2solutions.net> <3F960C98.9060901@linuxin.dk> <1066809492.5398.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1066829680.4491.14.camel@localhost.localdomain> <3F96A1A0.6090104@tmsusa.com> <1066838009.4491.33.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On Wed, 22 Oct 2003, Steve Bergman wrote: >I suffered with the open source radeon drivers for my Radeon QD for over >a year, experiencing periodic lock ups when switching between X and >VC's, and living with inferior speed, inferior 3D video quality, and >unsupported hardware features. Not to mention that ATI had come out >with the 8000 series, and then the 9000 series, totally unsupported by >the open source driver, and that driver still didn't even fully support >the original radeon. I finally broke down and got a geforce2 and later >replaced that with a geforce 4 MX440. (Oh, the shame! It's a bit like >using the One Ring, I suppose...) > >Happily, I now like my Radeon 9100 better than the G4MX440. > >I notice that sometime between the release of severn 1 and the present, >the driver performance seems to have improved siginificantly. I think >Fedeora is using a later driver than standard XFree 4.3? Indeed. Red Hat XFree86 now includes new OpenGL optimizations developed by Jakub Jelinek which dramatically reduce the number of relocations that are needed during application startup relocation processing. This also provides performance benefits during runtime due to less indirection. In addition to that Jakub implemented TLS (Thread Local Storage) support for libGL, which will provide additional performance benefits as well. The libGL libraries and 3D DRI drivers are now compiled both for i386, and also for i686, and both of these variants have TLS support. The proper library and driver to use gets autodetected automatically so users don't need to even know about any of this. The result, is that OpenGL applications should start up much faster, and also experience decent performance benefits during runtime as well. Note that these enhancements will only be available for Fedora Core 1 and later OS releases, and wont be available in erratum releases or recompiles for older OS releases because the optimizations require newer gcc, glibc in order to work properly. This work is also being forward ported to current Mesa developmental CVS, so that it can be included in the upstream Mesa project sources for the future. >I can run RTWC with all the stops pulled out, 1280x102, 32 bit, >everything set to high, extra, "you crazy" (it's a RTCW thing), >trilinear, etc and performance is good on my AMD XP 2100+/Radeon >9100 AGP system. AGP 4X works without flaw on my via chipset. > >Like I say, it took a loooong time, but the drivers are now >prety good. Indeed. ;o) >On the negative side, the (rather hard to find) 9100 is the most >advanced chipset supported (or the 9200 or old 8500 if you are one of >the people who feel that those are better boards). Not quite. ;o) The fastest 3D card supported by any open source drivers period, is the ATI FireGL 8800, and second to that the FireGL 8700. Both of these cards use the same chipset as the Radeon 8500, but much faster. The FireGL 8x00 hardware is 3D supported in Red Hat Linux 9, and later, and should work well. These boards at one point were well over $1500 USD brand new, but you can find them on www.pricewatch.com and other places for between $125-200 nowadays as the hardware is getting considered older now. It is still very fast compared to Radeon 8500/9000/9100/9200 though, although it is only AGP 4x. So, die hard gamers out there, who also demand open source drivers on their systems, should at least investigate the FireGL 8800, as it is as fast as things get in 4.3.0 currently. ;o) Hope this helps. -- Mike A. Harris ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris OS Systems Engineer - XFree86 maintainer - Red Hat From jkeating at j2solutions.net Wed Oct 22 17:53:05 2003 From: jkeating at j2solutions.net (Jesse Keating) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 10:53:05 -0700 Subject: Games doesent work in Fedora test 3 In-Reply-To: References: <3F95769F.3080502@linuxin.dk> <1066838009.4491.33.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <200310221053.05314.jkeating@j2solutions.net> On Wednesday 22 October 2003 10:50, Mike A. Harris wrote: > So, die hard gamers out there, who also demand open source > drivers on their systems, should at least investigate the > FireGL 8800, as it is as fast as things get in 4.3.0 currently. Thank you sir, I think I just found my video card for my Athlon64 Shuttle (; -- Jesse Keating RHCE MCSE (geek.j2solutions.net) Fedora Legacy Team (www.fedora.us/wiki/FedoraLegacy) Mondo DevTeam (www.mondorescue.org) GPG Public Key (geek.j2solutions.net/jkeating.j2solutions.pub) Was I helpful? Let others know: http://svcs.affero.net/rm.php?r=jkeating -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: signature URL: From mharris at redhat.com Wed Oct 22 18:02:55 2003 From: mharris at redhat.com (Mike A. Harris) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 14:02:55 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Games doesent work in Fedora test 3 In-Reply-To: <3F96B61D.30902@tmsusa.com> References: <3F95769F.3080502@linuxin.dk> <3F959DAF.60305@linuxin.dk> <200310211410.02540.jkeating@j2solutions.net> <3F960C98.9060901@linuxin.dk> <1066809492.5398.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> <3F96974A.4060801@linuxin.dk> <3F96B61D.30902@tmsusa.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 22 Oct 2003, joe wrote: >> None of the games i tryed (Unreal Tournament 2003, Enemy Teritory and >> Americas Army) was able to start. It has nothing to do with OpenGL >> from Nvidia. Im not eaven able to choos OpenGL in the game, so it must >> still use software rendering. >> >I was getting that also on the 3D screensavers, but I removed the mesa >GL libs: > >rpm -evv --nodeps XFree86-Mesa-libGL-4.3.0-37 > >and all the 3D screensavers work now - I will check some 3D fps games later. The Nvidia libGL, and the Mesa libGL explicitly conflict with each other. There is no way to cleanly make them coexist currently. I think I should make this conflict explicit in the rpm rather than users continuously experiencing unknown libGL problems when installing Nvidia's drivers. This would make it much easier for people using Nvidia proprietary drivers to use them with less troublesome and hard to diagnose conflicts. I'll investigate doing this in our next build. -- Mike A. Harris ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris OS Systems Engineer - XFree86 maintainer - Red Hat From michal at harddata.com Wed Oct 22 18:04:27 2003 From: michal at harddata.com (Michal Jaegermann) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 12:04:27 -0600 Subject: lilo vs grub In-Reply-To: <3F96A9BD.1000801@fnal.gov>; from dawson@fnal.gov on Wed, Oct 22, 2003 at 11:01:01AM -0500 References: <3F931F56.4050400@bol.com.br> <20031020165549.GC12274@rednote.net> <1066708062.2070.5.camel@bettie.internal.frields.org> <200310210941.13704.tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie> <1066744109.24096.17.camel@jeremy.dtcc.cc.nc.us> <3F96A9BD.1000801@fnal.gov> Message-ID: <20031022120427.B30052@mail.harddata.com> On Wed, Oct 22, 2003 at 11:01:01AM -0500, Troy Dawson wrote: > > OK, so I've spent over an hour looking through the "info" pages. In fact, > I've even zgrep'ed through it, I CANNOT FIND THIS OPTION. This docs are, unfortunately, obsolete and 'once' is not described there. Jeremy probably glimpsed that bit from sources. As an aside here is how to check that in few short seconds (assuming that you are not using emacs and its interface to info - what a sensible human beeing would do). Type 'info grub' and hit 's' key. Type 'once' for a search string and hit "Enter". Repeat 's' and "Enter" few times to find out that what are trying to find is not really there. You should be done below 20 seconds. > Personally, I think the grub info pages are great for the grub developers. > They are completely horrible for the end user or even the average system admin. Actually info is a very nice hypelinked format which allows to find out very quickly a desired information in bigger documents. Even nicer if you happen to have only a text terminal to work with. It beats anything html hands down. Only it pays greatly to type once 'info info' and to follow a suggestion of hitting 'h' key there. There are also other 'info' readers. Michal From joe at tmsusa.com Wed Oct 22 18:07:03 2003 From: joe at tmsusa.com (joe) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 11:07:03 -0700 Subject: Games doesent work in Fedora test 3 In-Reply-To: <20031022165203.GA3075@iadonisi.to> References: <3F95769F.3080502@linuxin.dk> <200310212157.19171.jkeating@j2solutions.net> <3F9614D8.9040907@tmsusa.com> <200310212233.40326.jkeating@j2solutions.net> <3F9618DC.2070307@tmsusa.com> <20031022165203.GA3075@iadonisi.to> Message-ID: <3F96C747.6060309@tmsusa.com> Paul Iadonisi wrote: > Nobody is suggesting that everyone is going to have the option. But >certainly *some* are going to have that option and if they really care about >solving problems (and I would think being on fedora-test-list implies that >they do), that they will excercise that option and do the testing required >to confirm whether or not the problem is with NVidia drivers. And >if the problem is with NVidia binary-only drivers, realize that this list, >Red Hat bugzilla, or XFree86 bugzilla, are not the places to get the >problem resolved. > Nobody is suggesting that this list troubleshoot nvidia driver issues, that would be pointless, since, as we all know, and as has been repeatedly stressed, nvidia controls the development of their drivers - so let them do what they do best, and report any nvidia driver problems to nvidia - what we do see, however, is users reporting problems with fedora core test, and they are immediately disregarded if it turns out that they are using nvidia cards/drivers - and that is not at all helpful, since the problems they are seeing are seldom if ever related to any flaws in the nvidia drivers, from what I can see. > > Leaving the analogy for the moment, nobody has presented evidence that >the problem is not with the NVidia binary-only drivers. > What sort of evidence are you requiring from them? Most of the time it's something like "reproduce the error without loading the nvidia modules" which makes it impossible to reproduce the error since it only happens in some GUI application :\ Heck, these folks just want to find out how to work around the issues with a minimum of grief. More often than not, it turns out that someone on the list has found a solution and posts it, which fixes the problem for the original poster - no kernel debugging needed, > >Do you know of any enterprises who care how well >games run on their enterprise desktops? For most, it's probably a plus >if they *don't* run well. > If the games can't run on linux, then it's most likely that no other demanding 3D apps can run either :\ > > >>Surely there is a happy medium here somwhere, and we'll need to find it >>if linux is to gain greater acceptance. >> >> > > Linux is gaining greater and greater acceptance every day just fine, >thank you. > I've been using and administering linux for 10 years, so no need to bring me up to speed on that, and the progress has been remarkable - but I am far from happy with the rate of adoption - take a look around you? do you see a sea of ms windows pcs? Hello? getting hassled by vendors and isps because you're not running ms windows? That's far from "just fine" in my book. > Put responsibility for solving closed source problems where they belong. >That's all I'm saying (albeit, quite verbosely). > We certainly agree on that - and nobody can deny that nvidia has been very responsive, and worked hard to make their drivers the best ones available for linux. I'm just saying, don't make this a witch hunt, give nvidia users the benefit of the doubt unless you have some reason to suspect their problem is caused by an nvidia bug. BTW I'm running fc t3 with nvidia geforce 2, nvidia accelerated drivers, and multimedia applications - it's very snappy, solid, and I haven't had any problems so far, other than having to tweak a few things to get the GL screensavers to use nvidia drivers instead of mesa software gl. I will give it the q3a test later. Joe From mharris at redhat.com Wed Oct 22 18:07:48 2003 From: mharris at redhat.com (Mike A. Harris) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 14:07:48 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Games doesent work in Fedora test 3 In-Reply-To: <3F96B769.10001@linuxin.dk> References: <3F95769F.3080502@linuxin.dk> <1066809492.5398.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> <3F96974A.4060801@linuxin.dk> <200310220803.52203.jkeating@j2solutions.net> <3F96B769.10001@linuxin.dk> Message-ID: On Wed, 22 Oct 2003, Bjorn Andersen wrote: >>>[skunk at Mars skunk]$ armyops >>>Xlib: extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0". >>>Xlib: extension "XiG-SUNDRY-NONSTANDARD" missing on display ":0.0". >>>CTRL-C before main loop ... forcing exit. >> >>DRI is missing, so you don't have a 3d card or your drivers are incorrectly >>set up. > >Strange, the NVIDIA logo shows at X startup, and Unreal Tournament plays >well (crashes somtimes). Actually, he incorrectly assumed you were using DRI supported hardware instead of Nvidia. ;o) -- Mike A. Harris ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris OS Systems Engineer - XFree86 maintainer - Red Hat From joe at tmsusa.com Wed Oct 22 18:09:47 2003 From: joe at tmsusa.com (joe) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 11:09:47 -0700 Subject: Games doesent work in Fedora test 3 In-Reply-To: References: <3F95769F.3080502@linuxin.dk> <3F959DAF.60305@linuxin.dk> <200310211410.02540.jkeating@j2solutions.net> <3F960C98.9060901@linuxin.dk> <1066809492.5398.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1066829680.4491.14.camel@localhost.localdomain> <3F96A1A0.6090104@tmsusa.com> <1066838009.4491.33.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <3F96C7EB.107@tmsusa.com> Mike A. Harris wrote: >Not quite. ;o) The fastest 3D card supported by any open source >drivers period, is the ATI FireGL 8800, and second to that the >FireGL 8700. Both of these cards use the same chipset as the >Radeon 8500, but much faster. The FireGL 8x00 hardware is 3D >supported in Red Hat Linux 9, and later, and should work well. >These boards at one point were well over $1500 USD brand new, but >you can find them on www.pricewatch.com and other places for >between $125-200 nowadays as the hardware is getting considered >older now. It is still very fast compared to Radeon >8500/9000/9100/9200 though, although it is only AGP 4x. > >So, die hard gamers out there, who also demand open source >drivers on their systems, should at least investigate the >FireGL 8800, as it is as fast as things get in 4.3.0 currently. > > OK, you've both convinced me - I'll try an ATI card and see how it goes. Joe From 64bit_fedora at comcast.net Wed Oct 22 18:11:21 2003 From: 64bit_fedora at comcast.net (Justin M. Forbes) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 13:11:21 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Games doesent work in Fedora test 3 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 22 Oct 2003, Mike A. Harris wrote: > > So, die hard gamers out there, who also demand open source > drivers on their systems, should at least investigate the > FireGL 8800, as it is as fast as things get in 4.3.0 currently. > > ;o) > > Hope this helps. > > Sadly it seems that we are getting to the era of no good 3d support in open source drivers. The FireGL was based on the 8500, and there is no doubt that development is under way for the newer chipsets, but without very strong documentation, that development takes alot of time, and it seems to become usable code around the time that the chipset it is for is considered out of date. And now that the vendors are doing binary only drivers, I am afraid there will be less focus on open source equiv. making the cycle worse. Justin From mharris at redhat.com Wed Oct 22 18:10:45 2003 From: mharris at redhat.com (Mike A. Harris) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 14:10:45 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Gnome and KDE: Start new Session button? In-Reply-To: <3F96B953.3070602@web.de> References: <3F96B953.3070602@web.de> Message-ID: On Wed, 22 Oct 2003, Christoph Wickert wrote: ># Examples for multiple local X displays: ># :0 local /usr/X11R6/bin/X :0 vt9 -bpp 16 ># :1 local /usr/X11R6/bin/X :1 vt10 -bpp 8 >:0 local at tty1 /usr/X11R6/bin/X :0 -dpi 100 -nolisten tcp vt7 >:1 local reserve /usr/X11R6/bin/X :1 -dpi 100 -nolisten tcp vt8 >:2 local reserve /usr/X11R6/bin/X :2 -dpi 100 -nolisten tcp vt9 >:3 local reserve /usr/X11R6/bin/X :3 -dpi 100 -nolisten tcp vt10 > >The reserve xservers are started by "Start new Session". I'm not sure, >what this button does. As a workaround I've setup 2 local displays (I >think 2 are enough), but the second one is not on demand. > >Mayby someone from Redhat call tell, why this feature is disabled in the >versions of gnome and kde shipped with fedora. Multiple X servers running on a machine works with some hardware with some drivers on some motherboards. It does not work reliably on all, and some of the drivers simply are not compatible with such configurations. The number of users who want/need multiple X servers running on a system is very small compared to all users using X, and so this is not a configuration which is a good "general" default, especially since it would cause many systems to just lock up hard the first time X is ran. Running multiple X servers simultaneously may or may not work, but it is not officially supported by Red Hat. It does work for some people however - caveat emptor. Hope this explains things.. TTYL -- Mike A. Harris ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris OS Systems Engineer - XFree86 maintainer - Red Hat From thompsma at colorado.edu Wed Oct 22 18:12:36 2003 From: thompsma at colorado.edu (The Matt) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 12:12:36 -0600 Subject: .xinitrc and .xession not being read? In-Reply-To: <20031022172119.GA11814@popelka.ms.mff.cuni.cz> References: <1066833303.7705.46.camel@suburbia> <20031022172119.GA11814@popelka.ms.mff.cuni.cz> Message-ID: <1066846356.13762.38.camel@ixion.colorado.edu> On Wed, 2003-10-22 at 11:21, Miloslav Trmac wrote: > On Wed, Oct 22, 2003 at 07:35:03AM -0700, Joshua Legbandt wrote: > > Since I've upgraded to the fedora core 1 test series from Red Hat 9 > > (originally to post severn rawhide) and started logging in through gdm, > > I've noticed that my .xinitrc and my .xsession (one is a symbolic link > > to the other) are not getting invoked. > Yes, it looks like gdm now invokes gnome-session directly, bypassing > /etc/X11/xinit/Xclients. This also means ~/.Xkbmap doesn't work. > Mirek Well, if I remember back to my pre-XFce4 days, doesn't GDM read .gnomerc? Have you tried using that file? Now, I don't use GDM, but I'm trying to trace it. Shouldn't it use /etc/X11/gdm/Sessions/GNOME if it runs Gnome? If so, that exec's /etc/X11/xdm/Xsession with gnome as the arg. Looking at Xsession, it looks like .Xresources, .Xmodmap, and .Xkbmap should be read. If they aren't read...I guess I don't know how GDM works (big possibility), and could someone tell me how they are. Matt -- "And isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony, anyway? I mean, all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, ooh ooh ooh, the sky's the limit!" -- The Tick The Matt -- http://ucsub.colorado.edu/~thompsma/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From nsilva-list at aoi.atari-source.com Wed Oct 22 18:13:08 2003 From: nsilva-list at aoi.atari-source.com (Noah Silva [Mailing list]) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 14:13:08 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Gnucash and Japanese mode don't mix well. In-Reply-To: <20031021.154925.278732976.tagoh@redhat.com> Message-ID: > BN> Noah Silva [Mailing list] (nsilva-list at aoi.atari-source.com) said: > >> Try logging in in Japanese mode with GDM. Then run GNUCASH. I don't even > ... > >> not decoding the strings). I assume this is because gnucash is a gnome1 > >> app? > > BN> It's a problem with gtk1 apps and UTF-8, if I recall correctly. > > Yes, right. see also #84593. just adding proper gtkrc.*.utf8 > to /etc/gtk/ should fixes this problem. > > Regards, > -- > Akira TAGOH > iq cat /etc > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > From dawson at fnal.gov Wed Oct 22 18:24:24 2003 From: dawson at fnal.gov (Troy Dawson) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 13:24:24 -0500 Subject: lilo vs grub In-Reply-To: <20031022120427.B30052@mail.harddata.com> References: <3F931F56.4050400@bol.com.br> <20031020165549.GC12274@rednote.net> <1066708062.2070.5.camel@bettie.internal.frields.org> <200310210941.13704.tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie> <1066744109.24096.17.camel@jeremy.dtcc.cc.nc.us> <3F96A9BD.1000801@fnal.gov> <20031022120427.B30052@mail.harddata.com> Message-ID: <3F96CB58.3050304@fnal.gov> Michal Jaegermann wrote: > On Wed, Oct 22, 2003 at 11:01:01AM -0500, Troy Dawson wrote: > >>OK, so I've spent over an hour looking through the "info" pages. In fact, >>I've even zgrep'ed through it, I CANNOT FIND THIS OPTION. > > > This docs are, unfortunately, obsolete and 'once' is not described > there. Jeremy probably glimpsed that bit from sources. > Ah ... so I'm not going crazy :) > As an aside here is how to check that in few short seconds (assuming > that you are not using emacs and its interface to info - what a > sensible human beeing would do). Type 'info grub' and hit 's' key. > Type 'once' for a search string and hit "Enter". Repeat 's' and > "Enter" few times to find out that what are trying to find is > not really there. You should be done below 20 seconds. > I didn't know that, thanks for the info. > >>Personally, I think the grub info pages are great for the grub developers. >>They are completely horrible for the end user or even the average system admin. > > > Actually info is a very nice hypelinked format which allows to find > out very quickly a desired information in bigger documents. Even > nicer if you happen to have only a text terminal to work with. It > beats anything html hands down. Only it pays greatly to type once > 'info info' and to follow a suggestion of hitting 'h' key there. > > There are also other 'info' readers. > > Michal I wasn't saying info pages in general weren't good, just the grub ones. I find myself constantly going in circles when I go through it. I keep hoping they get fixed (it had been a few months since I last looked at them.) so when Jeremy said that, I gave them another look. My favorite info reader is Konquerer. It's also a great man page reader. The funny thing is, it isn't my favorite web browser. Troy -- __________________________________________________ Troy Dawson dawson at fnal.gov (630)840-6468 Fermilab ComputingDivision/CSS CSI Group __________________________________________________ From jwendel at fnmoc.navy.mil Wed Oct 22 18:28:20 2003 From: jwendel at fnmoc.navy.mil (John Wendel) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 11:28:20 -0700 Subject: up2date problem Message-ID: <20031022112820.0badc11d.jwendel@fnmoc.navy.mil> Just got on the test box and ran up2date. It puked out a long traceback. It worked fine yesterday. Any clues will be appreciated. %update -u Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/sbin/up2date", line 1183, in ? sys.exit(main() or 0) File "/usr/sbin/up2date", line 761, in main fullUpdate, dryRun=options.dry_run)) File "/usr/sbin/up2date", line 1046, in batchRun batch.run() File "up2dateBatch.py", line 58, in run File "up2dateBatch.py", line 96, in __findPackagesToUpdate File "packageList.py", line 117, in run File "rhnPackageInfo.py", line 315, in getAvailableAllArchPackageList File "rhnPackageInfo.py", line 153, in availablePackageList File "rpcServer.py", line 109, in doCall File "repoDirector.py", line 20, in listPackages File "rpmSource.py", line 226, in listPackages File "/usr/share/rhn/up2date_client/repoBackends/yumRepo.py", line 197, in listPackages agent = "Up2date 3.9/Yum") File "/usr/share/rhn/up2date_client/repoBackends/urlUtils.py", line 270, in fetchUrl buffer = readFDBuf(fh, progressCallback) File "/usr/share/rhn/up2date_client/repoBackends/urlUtils.py", line 240, in readFDBuf size = get_size(fd) File "/usr/share/rhn/up2date_client/repoBackends/urlUtils.py", line 231, in get_size return long(size) TypeError: long() argument must be a string or a number -- John Wendel From xose at wanadoo.es Wed Oct 22 18:28:25 2003 From: xose at wanadoo.es (Xose Vazquez Perez) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 20:28:25 +0200 Subject: Games doesent work in Fedora test 3 References: <3F95769F.3080502@linuxin.dk> <3F959DAF.60305@linuxin.dk> <200310211410.02540.jkeating@j2solutions.net> <3F960C98.9060901@linuxin.dk> <1066809492.5398.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1066829680.4491.14.camel@localhost.localdomain> <3F96A1A0.6090104@tmsusa.com> <1066838009.4491.33.camel@localhost.localdomain> <3F96C7EB.107@tmsusa.com> Message-ID: <3F96CC49.8050204@wanadoo.es> joe wrote: > OK, you've both convinced me - I'll try an ATI card and see how it goes. You can do this classification, best at top: FireGL 8800 FireGL 8700 Radeon 8500 and 9100 Radeon 9200 Radeon 9000 Radeon 7500 Radeon 7000 and VE -- HTML mails are going to trash automatically From mharris at redhat.com Wed Oct 22 18:37:08 2003 From: mharris at redhat.com (Mike A. Harris) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 14:37:08 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Games doesent work in Fedora test 3 In-Reply-To: <3F96C747.6060309@tmsusa.com> References: <3F95769F.3080502@linuxin.dk> <200310212157.19171.jkeating@j2solutions.net> <3F9614D8.9040907@tmsusa.com> <200310212233.40326.jkeating@j2solutions.net> <3F9618DC.2070307@tmsusa.com> <20031022165203.GA3075@iadonisi.to> <3F96C747.6060309@tmsusa.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 22 Oct 2003, joe wrote: >Nobody is suggesting that this list troubleshoot nvidia driver issues, >that would be pointless, since, as we all know, and as has been >repeatedly stressed, nvidia controls the development of their drivers - >so let them do what they do best, and report any nvidia driver problems >to nvidia - what we do see, however, is users reporting problems with >fedora core test, and they are immediately disregarded if it turns out >that they are using nvidia cards/drivers - and that is not at all >helpful, since the problems they are seeing are seldom if ever related >to any flaws in the nvidia drivers, from what I can see. Actually, that isn't the case. When someone reports an issue they're experiencing in X or an X application which is IMHO unlikely to be caused by the video driver itself, I routinely tell people to report the bug regardless of wether they're using Nvidia's proprietary driver. For example: Someone just recently reported a problem where a KDE application's window was not disappearing when they closed it, and wondered if Nvidia's driver might be causing it. Since this type of interaction problem is not at the video driver level, I would be extremely shocked if it was a video driver problem. I fully expect that it was a bug in the specific application or in the window manager, and so I requested they file a bug report against that application. To refuse their problems simply because of their video driver, when from a technical perspective it would be enormously unlikely the video driver would be to blame, would be a bad idea, since the problem they're having is most likely to be a problem for ALL users, and not just them. >>Leaving the analogy for the moment, nobody has presented >>evidence that the problem is not with the NVidia binary-only >>drivers. > >What sort of evidence are you requiring from them? Most of the time it's >something like "reproduce the error without loading the nvidia modules" >which makes it impossible to reproduce the error since it only happens >in some GUI application :\ Heck, these folks just want to find out how >to work around the issues with a minimum of grief. More often than not, >it turns out that someone on the list has found a solution and posts it, >which fixes the problem for the original poster - no kernel debugging >needed, The bottom line, is that the majority of bugs reported by users using Nvidia's binary only proprietary drivers, are due to one of the following reasons: - They did not properly install the Nvidia drivers correctly and/or do not have the kernel modules properly built and installed (although they often THINK that they do, and may argue black is blue to no end about it) or - Their XFree86 is not configured properly to use the drivers (although they often THINK that they do, and may argue black is blue to no end about it) or - They are having Mesa libGL vs. Nvidia libGL conflicts due to both being installed simultaneously, or by the Nvidia driver installation blowing away various files installed via Red Hat rpms for XFree86. or - They are using their own homebrew kernel, and may have any number of problems because of that. or - The Nvidia kernel module was not ever built or tested by Nvidia with the particular kernel they are using, and Nvidia themselves might not guarantee or support the particular kernel or - One of hundreds of other possibilities. We do not support the Nvidia proprietary drivers (or any other vendor's proprietary drivers for that matter), and it is not our responsibility to "prove" that the driver is causing the problem or directly involved in the problem. If we spent our time debugging and troubleshooting every single user reported bug/problem with proprietary drivers, we'd largely be spending 99.9% of all of that time debugging users broken driver installations and providing free technical support, as well as discovering driver/kernel/XFree86 combinations which the driver doesn't support, or which the hardware vendor does not support nor test. It is not possible to provide the resources to do all of this troubleshooting, when we know right from the start that 99.9% of the problems experienced are due to items in the list I posted above the majority of the time. We also know that if a problem really is caused by our kernel, or a bug in our XFree86 or something else we ship, that either Nvidia themselves, or other people in the community will narrow the problem down to that if enough people are experiencing the problem. Once the REAL CAUSE of the problem is known, if that cause is in our software, we generally will investigate and fix it, however we aren't about to dedicate 5 engineers to investigating every binary only driver bug report that comes in, just to then have to help the person reinstall their driver properly, or use the right kernel, or tweak settings in their BIOS, or flash their video BIOS, or ... the list goes on. Unsupported, means 100% unsupported in every way. Reproduce the problem with the "nv" driver after disabling the nvidia driver, reinstalling the XFree86 rpms that Nvidia overwrites files in, and doing a fresh reboot to reset the video card to it's power on state having thus never been touched by the Nvidia X driver or kernel module. If the problem can be reproduced that way, then it probably isn't a bug in the proprietary driver. If it can't be reproduced without using the Nvidia driver, then experience and time shows, that it generally IS a problem/bug in the Nvidia driver or in the user's installation of the driver. There's nothing Nvidia specific about this however - the same is true of all 3rd party drivers, including non-proprietary ones. >>Do you know of any enterprises who care how well >>games run on their enterprise desktops? For most, it's probably a plus >>if they *don't* run well. > >If the games can't run on linux, then it's most likely that no other >demanding 3D apps can run either :\ Not necessarily. 3D applications and 3D games generally have very different requirements. Also, demanding 3D apps ran by demanding 3D users generally require complete OpenGL support and compliance, and usually require support that the DRI open source drivers do not have and probably never will due to IP concerns, patents and other legal concerns companies out there have about their IP. In short, demanding 3D users need to use proprietary drivers in order to do what they need to do, so if they're using Linux, they really have little choice. If they need support for their drivers, they need to get that support from the video hardware vendor that supplied them the drivers. Do gamers and other end users telephone Microsoft on the phone and/or use Microsoft bugzilla to report bugs in their binary only Nvidia drivers they downloaded from Nvidia's website? I don't think so. High end corporate 3D users might, but they most likely will contact their video vendor directly, whom is the most likely to be able to support them regardless of which OS they use. >>>Surely there is a happy medium here somwhere, and we'll need to find it >>>if linux is to gain greater acceptance. >> >>Linux is gaining greater and greater acceptance every day just fine, >>thank you. > >I've been using and administering linux for 10 years, so no need >to bring me up to speed on that, and the progress has been >remarkable - but I am far from happy with the rate of adoption - >take a look around you? do you see a sea of ms windows pcs? >Hello? getting hassled by vendors and isps because you're not >running ms windows? That's far from "just fine" in my book. I'm very happy with the rate of Linux adoption. The curve shows no signs of slowing down at all. No complaints here. >>Put responsibility for solving closed source problems where >>they belong. That's all I'm saying (albeit, quite verbosely). > >We certainly agree on that - and nobody can deny that nvidia has >been very responsive, and worked hard to make their drivers the >best ones available for linux. I'm just saying, don't make this >a witch hunt, give nvidia users the benefit of the doubt unless >you have some reason to suspect their problem is caused by an >nvidia bug. That isn't the way it works. If the bug is in limbo, then it is not our problem. Someone out there needs to troubleshoot a problem to the point where the real cause is known. We wont track down every problem reported just to be able to say "Yes, we spent 3 days of one engineer's time debugging this issue for you, and we have determined that, like 99% of all other bugs reported with that driver, this one also is a bug/problem in the driver." We don't have engineer resources to throw into the garbage can like that. If a problem is not video driver specific, then depending on the nature of the problem, most likely it is usually reproduceable with any video driver. Reproduce it with a supported driver on supported hardware, and then it wont be considered a bug/flaw caused by the unsupported 3rd party proprietary driver. >BTW I'm running fc t3 with nvidia geforce 2, nvidia accelerated >drivers, and multimedia applications - it's very snappy, solid, >and I haven't had any problems so far, other than having to >tweak a few things to get the GL screensavers to use nvidia >drivers instead of mesa software gl. I will give it the q3a test >later. Great, since the Nvidia proprietary drivers work good for you, we should be safe assuming they work perfectly for everyone else then. It should then be safe to assume any problems that people experience are due to their own broken installation or configuration (which is usually the case). -- Mike A. Harris ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris OS Systems Engineer - XFree86 maintainer - Red Hat From joe at tmsusa.com Wed Oct 22 18:37:15 2003 From: joe at tmsusa.com (joe) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 11:37:15 -0700 Subject: Games doesent work in Fedora test 3 In-Reply-To: <3F96CC49.8050204@wanadoo.es> References: <3F95769F.3080502@linuxin.dk> <3F959DAF.60305@linuxin.dk> <200310211410.02540.jkeating@j2solutions.net> <3F960C98.9060901@linuxin.dk> <1066809492.5398.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1066829680.4491.14.camel@localhost.localdomain> <3F96A1A0.6090104@tmsusa.com> <1066838009.4491.33.camel@localhost.localdomain> <3F96C7EB.107@tmsusa.com> <3F96CC49.8050204@wanadoo.es> Message-ID: <3F96CE5B.6000903@tmsusa.com> Xose Vazquez Perez wrote: >joe wrote: > > > >>OK, you've both convinced me - I'll try an ATI card and see how it goes. >> >> > >You can do this classification, best at top: > >FireGL 8800 >FireGL 8700 >Radeon 8500 and 9100 >Radeon 9200 >Radeon 9000 >Radeon 7500 >Radeon 7000 and VE > Thanks, that's useful - I'll check out prices now.... Joe From aoliva at redhat.com Wed Oct 22 18:41:20 2003 From: aoliva at redhat.com (Alexandre Oliva) Date: 22 Oct 2003 16:41:20 -0200 Subject: up2date problem In-Reply-To: <20031022112820.0badc11d.jwendel@fnmoc.navy.mil> References: <20031022112820.0badc11d.jwendel@fnmoc.navy.mil> Message-ID: On Oct 22, 2003, John Wendel wrote: > %update -u rawhide is closed for reorganization atm -- Alexandre Oliva Enjoy Guarana', see http://www.ic.unicamp.br/~oliva/ Red Hat GCC Developer aoliva@{redhat.com, gcc.gnu.org} CS PhD student at IC-Unicamp oliva@{lsd.ic.unicamp.br, gnu.org} Free Software Evangelist Professional serial bug killer From mitr at volny.cz Wed Oct 22 18:45:14 2003 From: mitr at volny.cz (Miloslav Trmac) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 20:45:14 +0200 Subject: .xinitrc and .xession not being read? In-Reply-To: <1066846356.13762.38.camel@ixion.colorado.edu> References: <1066833303.7705.46.camel@suburbia> <20031022172119.GA11814@popelka.ms.mff.cuni.cz> <1066846356.13762.38.camel@ixion.colorado.edu> Message-ID: <20031022184514.GA8831@popelka.ms.mff.cuni.cz> Hello, On Wed, Oct 22, 2003 at 12:12:36PM -0600, The Matt wrote: > > Yes, it looks like gdm now invokes gnome-session directly, bypassing > > /etc/X11/xinit/Xclients. This also means ~/.Xkbmap doesn't work. > > Mirek > > Well, if I remember back to my pre-XFce4 days, doesn't GDM read > .gnomerc? Have you tried using that file? No, I want the settings desktop-independent :-) > Now, I don't use GDM, but I'm trying to trace it. Shouldn't it use > /etc/X11/gdm/Sessions/GNOME if it runs Gnome? If so, that exec's > /etc/X11/xdm/Xsession with gnome as the arg. Looking at Xsession, it > looks like .Xresources, .Xmodmap, and .Xkbmap should be read. Mea culpa. .Xkbmap _is_ read actually, I just have some bug in it. But note that /usr/share/xsessions runs gnome-session. > I guess I don't know how GDM works (big possibility), and > could someone tell me how they are. Seconded. Mirek From mharris at redhat.com Wed Oct 22 18:48:04 2003 From: mharris at redhat.com (Mike A. Harris) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 14:48:04 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Games doesent work in Fedora test 3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, 22 Oct 2003, Justin M. Forbes wrote: >> So, die hard gamers out there, who also demand open source >> drivers on their systems, should at least investigate the >> FireGL 8800, as it is as fast as things get in 4.3.0 currently. > >Sadly it seems that we are getting to the era of no good 3d >support in open source drivers. That is subjective, and dependant on one's definition of "good 3d support". That means very different things to different people. Open source 3D driver support will *NEVER* reach the level of support of video hardware developed and supplied drivers, because the video hardware vendor knows their hardware the best and has complete documentation and knowledge of it's operation on every level including the hardware engineers who designed it. >The FireGL was based on the 8500, and there is no doubt that >development is under way for the newer chipsets, Not only is their doubt, but I know for a fact, that there is zero development underway for open source 3D DRI support for newer ATI chipsets. The hardware documentation is not available to anyone to do the work, so it just isn't going to happen. Get used to binary drivers for now that are unsupported by your favourite Linux distribution vendor (any vendor). >but without very strong documentation, that development takes >alot of time, s/without/with/ - If the complete documentation for all of the ATI hardware was published tomorrow (or Nvidia for that matter) for all of their hardware, it mostly would sit there untouched for a month or more. It would probably be at least 8 to 12 months before anything was remotely available and useable in terms of 3D support, and only then if some company funded the development of it, because the people who generally do this kind of work in the OSS world rarely if ever have the time to do the work purely as a volunteer in their spare time - they have full time jobs. >and it seems to become usable code around the time that the >chipset it is for is considered out of date. Bingo. >And now that the vendors are doing binary only drivers, I am >afraid there will be less focus on open source equiv. making the >cycle worse. Exactly. The 2D drivers are maintained extremely well however, and ATI at least makes constant contributions at least once a month if not more of numerous patches to improve support. Don't expect to see 3D support for currently unsupported 3D hardware any time soon however, as that's likely to take 8-12 months once the documentation is available and someone pays to fund the development of that support. And currently the docs are not available, and nobody is interested in funding the development it seems. While that may present a problem for Linux/X users who need 3D support, there isn't much that we can do about it, other than continue to advocate open source, and continue to ask vendors to support their hardware with open source support. Before we see vendors supporting 3D in OSS drivers strongly again however, they wont turn their heads unless the revenue to be recognized for them is in their own eyes "non-trivial". See my thread entitled "Rant" on devel at xfree86.org about 2-3 months ago for further details about the business side of things. -- Mike A. Harris ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris OS Systems Engineer - XFree86 maintainer - Red Hat From mharris at redhat.com Wed Oct 22 18:50:16 2003 From: mharris at redhat.com (Mike A. Harris) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 14:50:16 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Games doesent work in Fedora test 3 In-Reply-To: <3F96CC49.8050204@wanadoo.es> References: <3F95769F.3080502@linuxin.dk> <3F959DAF.60305@linuxin.dk> <200310211410.02540.jkeating@j2solutions.net> <3F960C98.9060901@linuxin.dk> <1066809492.5398.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1066829680.4491.14.camel@localhost.localdomain> <3F96A1A0.6090104@tmsusa.com> <1066838009.4491.33.camel@localhost.localdomain> <3F96C7EB.107@tmsusa.com> <3F96CC49.8050204@wanadoo.es> Message-ID: On Wed, 22 Oct 2003, Xose Vazquez Perez wrote: >> OK, you've both convinced me - I'll try an ATI card and see how it goes. > >You can do this classification, best at top: > >FireGL 8800 >FireGL 8700 >Radeon 8500 and 9100 >Radeon 9200 >Radeon 9000 >Radeon 7500 Radeon 7200 (original Radeon 32/64 SDR/DDR) >Radeon 7000 and VE You missed one, but other than that your list looks quite accurate 3D performancewise from what I've seen. ;o) -- Mike A. Harris ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris OS Systems Engineer - XFree86 maintainer - Red Hat From czar at czarc.net Wed Oct 22 18:59:30 2003 From: czar at czarc.net (Gene C.) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 14:59:30 -0400 Subject: up2date problem In-Reply-To: <20031022112820.0badc11d.jwendel@fnmoc.navy.mil> References: <20031022112820.0badc11d.jwendel@fnmoc.navy.mil> Message-ID: <200310221459.30981.czar@czarc.net> On Wednesday 22 October 2003 14:28, John Wendel wrote: > Just got on the test box and ran up2date. It puked out a long > traceback. It worked fine yesterday. Any clues will be appreciated. > > %update -u > > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "/usr/sbin/up2date", line 1183, in ? > sys.exit(main() or 0) > File "/usr/sbin/up2date", line 761, in main > fullUpdate, dryRun=options.dry_run)) > File "/usr/sbin/up2date", line 1046, in batchRun > batch.run() > File "up2dateBatch.py", line 58, in run > File "up2dateBatch.py", line 96, in __findPackagesToUpdate > File "packageList.py", line 117, in run > File "rhnPackageInfo.py", line 315, in getAvailableAllArchPackageList > File "rhnPackageInfo.py", line 153, in availablePackageList > File "rpcServer.py", line 109, in doCall > File "repoDirector.py", line 20, in listPackages > File "rpmSource.py", line 226, in listPackages > File "/usr/share/rhn/up2date_client/repoBackends/yumRepo.py", line 197, > in listPackages agent = "Up2date 3.9/Yum") > File "/usr/share/rhn/up2date_client/repoBackends/urlUtils.py", line 270, > in fetchUrl buffer = readFDBuf(fh, progressCallback) > File "/usr/share/rhn/up2date_client/repoBackends/urlUtils.py", line 240, > in readFDBuf size = get_size(fd) > File "/usr/share/rhn/up2date_client/repoBackends/urlUtils.py", line 231, > in get_size return long(size) > TypeError: long() argument must be a string or a number https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=107732 As long as rawhide is "down", you will get errors. -- Gene From czar at czarc.net Wed Oct 22 19:03:04 2003 From: czar at czarc.net (Gene C.) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 15:03:04 -0400 Subject: Games doesent work in Fedora test 3 In-Reply-To: References: <3F95769F.3080502@linuxin.dk> <3F96CC49.8050204@wanadoo.es> Message-ID: <200310221503.04144.czar@czarc.net> On Wednesday 22 October 2003 14:50, Mike A. Harris wrote: > On Wed, 22 Oct 2003, Xose Vazquez Perez wrote: > >> OK, you've both convinced me - I'll try an ATI card and see how it goes. > > > >You can do this classification, best at top: > > > >FireGL 8800 > >FireGL 8700 > >Radeon 8500 and 9100 > >Radeon 9200 > >Radeon 9000 > >Radeon 7500 > > Radeon 7200 (original Radeon 32/64 SDR/DDR) > > >Radeon 7000 and VE > > You missed one, but other than that your list looks quite > accurate 3D performancewise from what I've seen. ;o) Mike -- I currently have a Radeon 7500 which I am quite pleased with. I will be putting together a new system and wonder if you can comment on price/performance of the above ATI adapters .. or is it simply pick the higher numbers. -- Gene From elwoo at videotron.ca Wed Oct 22 19:14:33 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 15:14:33 -0400 Subject: ERROR unable to print from konqueror (in Gnome) Message-ID: <200310221514.33093.elwoo@videotron.ca> >From kmail, I launched a link this invokes konqueror, and the web is loaded. However, when I select print, I get this error: "A print error occured. Error message received from system: Error while reading filter description for true. Empty command line received." Has anyone *else* noticed this, and should I file a bug? Elton. -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From 64bit_fedora at comcast.net Wed Oct 22 19:14:52 2003 From: 64bit_fedora at comcast.net (Justin M. Forbes) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 14:14:52 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Games doesent work in Fedora test 3 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 22 Oct 2003, Mike A. Harris wrote: > > Exactly. The 2D drivers are maintained extremely well however, > and ATI at least makes constant contributions at least once a > month if not more of numerous patches to improve support. > > Don't expect to see 3D support for currently unsupported 3D > hardware any time soon however, as that's likely to take 8-12 > months once the documentation is available and someone pays to > fund the development of that support. And currently the docs are > not available, and nobody is interested in funding the > development it seems. > > While that may present a problem for Linux/X users who need 3D > support, there isn't much that we can do about it, other than > continue to advocate open source, and continue to ask vendors to > support their hardware with open source support. Before we see > vendors supporting 3D in OSS drivers strongly again however, they > wont turn their heads unless the revenue to be recognized for > them is in their own eyes "non-trivial". > > See my thread entitled "Rant" on devel at xfree86.org about 2-3 > months ago for further details about the business side of things. > I completely understand. I cannot say as I blame either Nvidia or ATI, in fact, I am quite happy to have access to binary drivers... When you think about how far 3D under Linux has come in the past 5 years, we are better off than I thought we would be. I guess the point I was trying to make, is that binary only drivers are something we are stuck with, and it is certainly better than the alternative. I just think that we as a developer community sometimes forget this. No, we cannot do much to support a binary driver, but we do need to realize they are out there, and try to coexist as much as possible. I guess there really is no answer, as many users have very unrealistic expectations for support levels... Bah... I give up :) Justin From dstewart at atl.lmco.com Wed Oct 22 19:20:24 2003 From: dstewart at atl.lmco.com (Douglas Stewart) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 15:20:24 -0400 Subject: Unacceptable up2date functionality Message-ID: <3F96D878.7070709@atl.lmco.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Due to Rawhide's absence since yesterday, I've noticed that up2date is COMPLETELY user-unfriendly when it can't reach a yum repo. Instead of printing any error messages to the tune of "I can't reach that repo. Sorry!", it simply spits cryptic Python errors to the terminal window and hangs the progress window, while moving the main window to "Packages to be skipped". I would suggest that, in such cases, up2date offer up something akin to the dialog the user encounters when no updates are needed (i.e., " Can't reach any of the listed repositories. Please check your network settings and try again later".) - -- - ---------- Doug Stewart Systems Administrator/Web Applications Developer Lockheed Martin Advanced Technology Labs Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/lth4N50Q8DVvcvkRAiJPAJ4h6SD2aR/EtYzlGwBP3YHTjT5tiwCfTzlC mU/e1KSsx7ti27hwp89cDhk= =N0Bk -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From joe at tmsusa.com Wed Oct 22 19:31:29 2003 From: joe at tmsusa.com (joe) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 12:31:29 -0700 Subject: Games doesent work in Fedora test 3 In-Reply-To: References: <3F95769F.3080502@linuxin.dk> <3F959DAF.60305@linuxin.dk> <200310211410.02540.jkeating@j2solutions.net> <3F960C98.9060901@linuxin.dk> <1066809492.5398.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1066829680.4491.14.camel@localhost.localdomain> <3F96A1A0.6090104@tmsusa.com> <1066838009.4491.33.camel@localhost.localdomain> <3F96C7EB.107@tmsusa.com> <3F96CC49.8050204@wanadoo.es> Message-ID: <3F96DB11.5060800@tmsusa.com> Mike A. Harris wrote: >On Wed, 22 Oct 2003, Xose Vazquez Perez wrote: > > > >>>OK, you've both convinced me - I'll try an ATI card and see how it goes. >>> >>> >>You can do this classification, best at top: >> >>FireGL 8800 >>FireGL 8700 >>Radeon 8500 and 9100 >>Radeon 9200 >>Radeon 9000 >>Radeon 7500 >> >> >Radeon 7200 (original Radeon 32/64 SDR/DDR) > > >>Radeon 7000 and VE >> >> > >You missed one, but other than that your list looks quite >accurate 3D performancewise from what I've seen. ;o) > > There seems to be a HUGE step in price going from radeon 8500/9100 to FireGL 8800 ($60-70 vs $350-400) - is there a corresponding performance/functionality step, or would I be paying a sharply higher price for slightly better performance? Also, I seem to remember some discussions about the danger of buying an ATI card that was not actually "made by ATI", what is the guideline - only buy official ATI cards, stay away from 3rd party cards using ATI chipset? Joe From ssibert at hollins.edu Wed Oct 22 19:40:04 2003 From: ssibert at hollins.edu (Scott A. Sibert) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 15:40:04 -0400 Subject: kernel bug slab.c:570 Message-ID: <36C952EA2F84E8469C3A4BA41A3046620249776E@graphite.hollinsnt.hollins.edu> I have an HP Pavilion 8766 (P3/933 w/384MB and 40gb hd) and I started installing fedora test3. Somewhere after or during the "Copy install image to hard drive" it crashed with this info: [ cut here ] kernel BUG at slab.c:570! invalid operand: 0000 parport_pc parport lvm-mod jfs reiserfs ext3 jbd msdsos raid5 xor raid1 raid0 813 9too mii keybdev hid input ehci-hcd usb-ohci usb-uhci usbcore sr_mod sd_mod sc CPU: 0 EIP: 0060:[] Not tainted EFLAGS: 00010206 / between elements | selects | next screen EIP is at kmem_slab_destroy [kernel] 0x70 (2.4.22-1.2088.nptl) eax: 00000384 ebx: 00020400 ecx: 00000000 edx: 00000064 esi: d7ffb2d0 edi: c6092444 ebp: 000010dd esp: d7fddf2c ds: 0068 es: 0068 ss: 0068 Process kswapd (pid: 5, stackpXXXXXX 4500) Stack: d7ffb2d0 c01180d1 c60920c0 00000027 00000009 c6092000 00000343 d7fdc000 d7ffb2d0 000010dd c01371ef d7ffb2d0 c6092000 d7ffb2d0 00000000 0000069b 00000a91 00000020 000001d0 c0329390 00000006 c01381b7 c0329390 00000006 Call Trace: [] schedule [kernel] 0x31 (0xd7fddf30) [] kmem_cache_reap [kernel] 0xff (0xd7fddf54) [] shrink_caches [kernel] 0x17 (0xd7fddf80) [] try_to_free_pages_zone [kernel] 0x30 (0xd7fddf98) [] kswapd_balance_pgdat [kernel] 0x50 (0xd7fddfac) [] kswapd_balance [kernel] 0x16 (0xd7fddfc0) [] kswapd [kernel] 0x9d (0xd7fddfd0) [] kswapd [kernel] 0x0 (0xd7fddfe4) [] kernel_thread_helper [kernel] 0x5 (0xd7fddff0) Code: 0f 0b 3a 02 88 96 26 c0 81 7c 3a fc 71 f0 2c 5a 74 08 0f 0b --------------------------------------------- In the line after "stackp" where I have XXXXXX there were red block characters and no text was available. I realize that part of this info above is what was on the screen when it crashed (like the line with /) but I've tried to copy down all the numbers correctly. I got someone else to double-check me. I could not find anything in bugzilla referencing slab.c:570 but I wanted to check here first. --Scott From jkeating at j2solutions.net Wed Oct 22 19:39:10 2003 From: jkeating at j2solutions.net (Jesse Keating) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 12:39:10 -0700 Subject: Games doesent work in Fedora test 3 In-Reply-To: <3F96DB11.5060800@tmsusa.com> References: <3F95769F.3080502@linuxin.dk> <3F96DB11.5060800@tmsusa.com> Message-ID: <200310221239.14683.jkeating@j2solutions.net> On Wednesday 22 October 2003 12:31, joe wrote: > There seems to be a HUGE step in price going from radeon 8500/9100 to > FireGL 8800 ($60-70 vs $350-400) - is there a corresponding > performance/functionality step, or would I be paying a sharply higher > price for slightly better performance? You didn't look hard enough. Froogle is your friend: http://www.compgeeks.com/details.asp?invtid=1099060000-R $147 Of course, it's out of stock ): > Also, I seem to remember some discussions about the danger of buying > an ATI card that was not actually "made by ATI", what is the > guideline - only buy official ATI cards, stay away from 3rd party > cards using ATI chipset? This isn't much of a problem anymore, most those issues have been resolved. -- Jesse Keating RHCE MCSE (geek.j2solutions.net) Fedora Legacy Team (www.fedora.us/wiki/FedoraLegacy) Mondo DevTeam (www.mondorescue.org) GPG Public Key (geek.j2solutions.net/jkeating.j2solutions.pub) Was I helpful? Let others know: http://svcs.affero.net/rm.php?r=jkeating -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: signature URL: From joe at tmsusa.com Wed Oct 22 19:45:22 2003 From: joe at tmsusa.com (joe) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 12:45:22 -0700 Subject: kernel bug slab.c:570 In-Reply-To: <36C952EA2F84E8469C3A4BA41A3046620249776E@graphite.hollinsnt.hollins.edu> References: <36C952EA2F84E8469C3A4BA41A3046620249776E@graphite.hollinsnt.hollins.edu> Message-ID: <3F96DE52.8030202@tmsusa.com> Scott A. Sibert wrote: >I have an HP Pavilion 8766 (P3/933 w/384MB and 40gb hd) and I started >installing fedora test3. > >Somewhere after or during the "Copy install image to hard drive" it >crashed with this info: > FWIW, I was just having trouble like that - the install would bomb out every time with errors like these - so I booted with the memtest86 cdrom and the memory errors came fast & furious right from the get go. New ram fixed everything - always worth a look in these types of scenarios... Joe From mark at mark.mielke.cc Wed Oct 22 19:46:44 2003 From: mark at mark.mielke.cc (Mark Mielke) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 15:46:44 -0400 Subject: Rawhide permissions? Message-ID: <20031022194644.GA20536@mark.mielke.cc> I didn't see this question raised by anyone else (did I miss it?)... Is something wrong with rawhide? ftp.redhat.com 'rawhide' doesn't allow me to chdir into it. The same seems to be true of the few mirrors I tried. With LFTP, the exact error is: cd: Access failed: 550 Failed to change directory. (/pub/redhat/linux/rawhide/i386/RedHat/RPMS) Is this a time-of-day thing? Has the location moved? I don't see anything on fedora.redhat.com... Cheers, mark -- mark at mielke.cc/markm at ncf.ca/markm at nortelnetworks.com __________________________ . . _ ._ . . .__ . . ._. .__ . . . .__ | Neighbourhood Coder |\/| |_| |_| |/ |_ |\/| | |_ | |/ |_ | | | | | | \ | \ |__ . | | .|. |__ |__ | \ |__ | Ottawa, Ontario, Canada One ring to rule them all, one ring to find them, one ring to bring them all and in the darkness bind them... http://mark.mielke.cc/ From dstewart at atl.lmco.com Wed Oct 22 19:49:44 2003 From: dstewart at atl.lmco.com (Douglas Stewart) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 15:49:44 -0400 Subject: Rawhide permissions? In-Reply-To: <20031022194644.GA20536@mark.mielke.cc> References: <20031022194644.GA20536@mark.mielke.cc> Message-ID: <3F96DF58.3070706@atl.lmco.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Mark Mielke wrote: | I didn't see this question raised by anyone else (did I miss it?)... | | Is something wrong with rawhide? ftp.redhat.com 'rawhide' doesn't | allow me to chdir into it. The same seems to be true of the few mirrors | I tried. With LFTP, the exact error is: | | cd: Access failed: 550 Failed to change directory. (/pub/redhat/linux/rawhide/i386/RedHat/RPMS) | | Is this a time-of-day thing? Has the location moved? I don't see anything | on fedora.redhat.com... | | Cheers, | mark | Bil Nottingham sent a message re: Rawhide downtime yesterday. Should be back sometime today. - -- - ---------- Doug Stewart Systems Administrator/Web Applications Developer Lockheed Martin Advanced Technology Labs Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD4DBQE/lt9XN50Q8DVvcvkRAteRAJ9rSSJWheJz2QDxQvNd6J6pQpXVbACYtrv+ 4efB8ts0Z9IofIKcasweNA== =mzzk -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From dstewart at atl.lmco.com Wed Oct 22 19:57:40 2003 From: dstewart at atl.lmco.com (Douglas Stewart) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 15:57:40 -0400 Subject: Unacceptable up2date functionality In-Reply-To: <3F96D878.7070709@atl.lmco.com> References: <3F96D878.7070709@atl.lmco.com> Message-ID: <3F96E134.7090704@atl.lmco.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Douglas Stewart wrote: | Due to Rawhide's absence since yesterday, I've noticed that up2date is | COMPLETELY user-unfriendly when it can't reach a yum repo. Instead of | printing any error messages to the tune of "I can't reach that repo. | Sorry!", it simply spits cryptic Python errors to the terminal window | and hangs the progress window, while moving the main window to "Packages | to be skipped". | | I would suggest that, in such cases, up2date offer up something akin to | the dialog the user encounters when no updates are needed (i.e., " Can't | reach any of the listed repositories. Please check your network | settings and try again later".) | -- | ---------- | Doug Stewart | Systems Administrator/Web Applications Developer | Lockheed Martin Advanced Technology Labs | | Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur In the spirit of "If it ain't in Bugzilla, it doesn't exist", I've submitted RFE 107768. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=107768 Cheers. - -- - ---------- Doug Stewart Systems Administrator/Web Applications Developer Lockheed Martin Advanced Technology Labs Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/luE0N50Q8DVvcvkRAos0AJ98kX+CDAe7NU2fZ+dRhTUTmZg8tQCfYjKN PTlTnTbABA/UtaUFEUZ+nbE= =VV0t -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From tamas.r.sashalmi at vanderbilt.edu Wed Oct 22 20:00:01 2003 From: tamas.r.sashalmi at vanderbilt.edu (Tamas Sashalmi) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 15:00:01 -0500 Subject: Alsa 0.98 + kernel 2.4.22-1.2097.nptlsmp Message-ID: <1066852801.18231.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> Alsa (new) 0.98 doesn't compile. Why I'm getting this error: serialmidi.c: In function `open_tty': serialmidi.c:164: error: invalid operands to binary > make[1]: *** [serialmidi.o] Error 1 make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/local/src/alsa-driver-0.9.8/drivers' make: *** [compile] Error 1 Thanks, Tamas From xose at wanadoo.es Wed Oct 22 20:02:41 2003 From: xose at wanadoo.es (Xose Vazquez Perez) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 22:02:41 +0200 Subject: best video boards for xfree86 References: <3F95769F.3080502@linuxin.dk> <3F959DAF.60305@linuxin.dk> <200310211410.02540.jkeating@j2solutions.net> <3F960C98.9060901@linuxin.dk> <1066809492.5398.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1066829680.4491.14.camel@localhost.localdomain> <3F96A1A0.6090104@tmsusa.com> <1066838009.4491.33.camel@localhost.localdomain> <3F96C7EB.107@tmsusa.com> <3F96CC49.8050204@wanadoo.es> Message-ID: <3F96E261.6000605@wanadoo.es> Mike A. Harris wrote: > You missed one, but other than that your list looks quite > accurate 3D performancewise from what I've seen. ;o) ok, here it goes: FireGL 8800 FireGL 8700 Radeon 8500 and Radeon 9100 Radeon 9200 Radeon 9000 Radeon 7500 Radeon 7200 and Radeon 32/64 SDR/DDR Radeon 7000 and Radeon VE Any board or chip with letters _LE_ means *Lower Editon* -- HTML mails are going to trash automatically From jdy at cs.brown.edu Wed Oct 22 20:06:58 2003 From: jdy at cs.brown.edu (Joel Young) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 16:06:58 -0400 Subject: Alsa 0.98 + kernel 2.4.22-1.2097.nptlsmp In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 22 Oct 2003 15:00:01 CDT." <1066852801.18231.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1066852801.18231.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20031022200658.766472F01F@null.cs.brown.edu> --- alsa-driver-0.9.5/drivers/serialmidi.c.orig 2003-07-25 20:58:28.000000000 -0400 +++ alsa-driver-0.9.5/drivers/serialmidi.c 2003-07-25 21:39:51.000000000 -0400 @@ -155,7 +155,7 @@ retval = -EIO; goto __end; } - if (tty->count > 1) { + if (atomic_read(&tty->count) > 1) { snd_printk(KERN_ERR "tty %s is already used", serial->sdev); retval = -EBUSY; goto __end; -------- From: Tamas Sashalmi Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 15:00:01 -0500 To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com Subj: Alsa 0.98 + kernel 2.4.22-1.2097.nptlsmp Alsa (new) 0.98 doesn't compile. Why I'm getting this error: serialmidi.c: In function `open_tty': serialmidi.c:164: error: invalid operands to binary > make[1]: *** [serialmidi.o] Error 1 make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/local/src/alsa-driver-0.9.8/drivers' make: *** [compile] Error 1 Thanks, Tamas -- fedora-test-list mailing list fedora-test-list at redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From elwoo at videotron.ca Wed Oct 22 20:07:46 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 16:07:46 -0400 Subject: video card: comments please? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200310221607.46601.elwoo@videotron.ca> On October 22, 2003 01:31 pm, Mike A. Harris , <"Mike A. Harris" > wrote:; > Correct. Radeon 9100 and older are 3D supported. Newer cards > that have support at all, are 2D supported only. > > >Most NVIDIA cards are not. > > s/Most/All/ - there is no 3D acceleration support for any Nvidia > hardware out of the box at all. DRI does not have Nvidia 3D > support. > > >[very] Newer ATI cards, and all NVIDIA cards require the installation of > >binary only drivers (and that means you pretty much have to be on x86 ;<), > >so your options are less flexible, and you have installation and updating > >pain, but likely better performance. > > Yep, for Radeon 9500 and newer hardware you require ATI's binary > only drivers for 3D support. In short: "seis de uno y media docena del otro" <*SIGH*> Elton ;-) -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From ba at linuxin.dk Wed Oct 22 20:11:27 2003 From: ba at linuxin.dk (Bjorn Andersen) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 22:11:27 +0200 Subject: Games doesent work in Fedora test 3 In-Reply-To: <01L24XT59XMA001WYS@rcum.uni-mb.si> References: <01L24XT59XMA001WYS@rcum.uni-mb.si> Message-ID: <3F96E46F.80901@linuxin.dk> DAVID BALAZIC skrev: >>HMMM, if all newer OpenGL games doesent work under Fedora, and >>everybuddy doesent care, then we will newer get great games for >>(Fedora/RedHat) Linux :-( >> >> > >Do the games work OK in a different linux version ( red hat linux 9, >for exmaple ) ? >Did you try a different kernel, xfree86 or nvidia driver version ? > > > It worked well until Fedora test 3. Test 2 was OK. -- Linux Because making UNIX user friendly is easier then debugging Windows From pcompton at proteinmedia.com Wed Oct 22 20:17:10 2003 From: pcompton at proteinmedia.com (Phillip Compton) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 16:17:10 -0400 Subject: READ AGAIN - GRUB USERS ! :-) In-Reply-To: <3F95D201.30107@bol.com.br> References: <3F95D201.30107@bol.com.br> Message-ID: <1066853830.3192.6.camel@GreenTea> On Tue, 2003-10-21 at 20:40, gsc wrote: > (..) "Then we win." :-) Message: 11 From: Alan Cox > Subject: Re: lilo vs grub To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com Date: Tue, 21 > Oct 2003 15:05:24 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com > > >> Feel free to correct me... Perhaps you will take ownership of lilo, and > >> ensure that it is actively maintained? Remember, the open source community > > > > > > Lilo is actively maintained, works on many machines grub does not, can boot > off more file systems and can handle raid properly. I believe he was referring to ownership of the lilo package, perhaps as part of Fedora Extras (or more immediately as part of fedora.us), not to the idea of you needing to maintain lilo itself. Phil From ba at linuxin.dk Wed Oct 22 20:20:15 2003 From: ba at linuxin.dk (Bjorn Andersen) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 22:20:15 +0200 Subject: Games doesent work in Fedora test 3 In-Reply-To: <1066841182.7865.41.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <3F95769F.3080502@linuxin.dk> <3F959DAF.60305@linuxin.dk> <200310211410.02540.jkeating@j2solutions.net> <3F960C98.9060901@linuxin.dk> <1066809492.5398.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1066841182.7865.41.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <3F96E67F.3080809@linuxin.dk> Philip Trickett skrev: >I had that problem too initially. > >On my system it was related to the MESA libGL, which are in >/usr/X11R6/lib/tls/ just rename them to .old and it should >work fine. > > > Thanks, that did it. Now, im a happy man :-) -- Linux Because making UNIX user friendly is easier then debugging Windows From czar at czarc.net Wed Oct 22 20:28:08 2003 From: czar at czarc.net (Gene C.) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 16:28:08 -0400 Subject: Unacceptable up2date functionality In-Reply-To: <3F96D878.7070709@atl.lmco.com> References: <3F96D878.7070709@atl.lmco.com> Message-ID: <200310221628.08633.czar@czarc.net> On Wednesday 22 October 2003 15:20, Douglas Stewart wrote: > Due to Rawhide's absence since yesterday, I've noticed that up2date is > COMPLETELY user-unfriendly when it can't reach a yum repo. Instead of > printing any error messages to the tune of "I can't reach that repo. > Sorry!", it simply spits cryptic Python errors to the terminal window > and hangs the progress window, while moving the main window to "Packages > to be skipped". > > I would suggest that, in such cases, up2date offer up something akin to > the dialog the user encounters when no updates are needed (i.e., " Can't > reach any of the listed repositories. Please check your network > settings and try again later".) https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=107732 -- Gene From katzj at redhat.com Wed Oct 22 20:31:00 2003 From: katzj at redhat.com (Jeremy Katz) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 16:31:00 -0400 Subject: An end to the GRUB/LILO threads... Message-ID: <1066854659.7821.17.camel@mirkwood.devel.redhat.com> For Fedora Core 1, lilo has now been added back, but still on the deprecated list. To get to it in the installer, you'll have to boot with 'linux lilo' and I really want to remove it again after FC1 is out. To make this a more productive mail, the list of things to then target for FC2 are: 1) RAID support in grub-install. There are comments in bug 55484 that describe what needs doing. Shouldn't require more than fun with shell scripting, so this is a great project for someone who wants to start getting involved :) 2) Hardware that GRUB doesn't work with. If you have hardware on which this is the case, testing across multiple versions of grub (it's been shipped since Red Hat Linux 7.2, the old packages should all still install) as well as making sure your BIOS is current. 3) The a11y question, but the comments about placing ^G's in the title should make that moot I think, as that's essentially what you do with lilo as well. Jeremy From ssibert at hollins.edu Wed Oct 22 20:40:56 2003 From: ssibert at hollins.edu (Scott A. Sibert) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 16:40:56 -0400 Subject: scrambled partition not rewritten in test3 install Message-ID: <36C952EA2F84E8469C3A4BA41A30466202497774@graphite.hollinsnt.hollins.edu> On the same hardware as my earlier post (and before the crash noted in my earlier post) the test3 installer said the partition table was not aligned correctly (or something like that). One symptom of that is there was always a partition from cylinder 1 to cylinder 1 of size 0 no matter how much I tried to delete it. It asked if I wanted to "Ignore" or "Cancel" and choosing either did the same thing: no changes to the partition table. It would then proceed to let me choose autopartition or disk druid (or my favorite, fdisk from shell). I booted the RHEL3 beta cd and it also gave me the partition warning message. When I chose "Cancel" there, it asked me if I wanted to rewrite the partition table which would wipe out all data on the disk. Of course, I wanted to do so. The partition table now does not have that strange first partition. Booting back to test 3 I do not get the partition table alignment warning. It sounds to me like a step is missing from test3 that exists in RHEL3 beta. I can not test this again since the partition table is now fixed. --Scott -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bryan at arcamax.com Wed Oct 22 20:56:11 2003 From: bryan at arcamax.com (Bryan White) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 16:56:11 -0400 Subject: Bad Terminal Character Translation with PuTTy Message-ID: <3F96EEEB.5050106@arcamax.com> PuTTy is a Windows SSH client. I have been using it to log into RedHat boxes through 7.3 without a problem. I am now experimenting with FC095. The problem is some programs print some garbage characters to the terminal. This is most noticeable in man pages and using the pstree command. It usually shows up as a lower case 'a' with a hat over it. In pstree it is very obvious because it is used for drawing the node connections. By default PuTTy sets the TERM variable to 'xterm'. The default character set is: ISO-8859-1:1998 (Latin-1, West Europe). I found a FAQ on the PuTTy site that stated that starting with RedHat 8 the OS was using UTF-8 and I the user would have to set this in the PuTTy configuration. I tried this. The 'a with a hat' now turns into a square block. Any other suggestions? -- Bryan White, ArcaMax Inc. Who approaches the Bridge of Death Must answer me these questions three Ere the other side he see. From joe at tmsusa.com Wed Oct 22 20:58:42 2003 From: joe at tmsusa.com (joe) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 13:58:42 -0700 Subject: video card: comments please? In-Reply-To: <200310221607.46601.elwoo@videotron.ca> References: <200310221607.46601.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <3F96EF82.40402@tmsusa.com> Elton Woo wrote: >On October 22, 2003 01:31 pm, Mike A. Harris , <"Mike A. Harris" >> wrote:; > > > >>Yep, for Radeon 9500 and newer hardware you require ATI's binary >>only drivers for 3D support. >> >> > >In short: "seis de uno y media docena del otro" <*SIGH*> > > Was zum teufel hast du gesagt??? das kommt mir spanisch vor! MfG, Joe From janina at rednote.net Wed Oct 22 20:59:10 2003 From: janina at rednote.net (Janina Sajka) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 16:59:10 -0400 Subject: linux accessibility issues / Assistive Technology, etc. In-Reply-To: <200310211109.39984.elwoo@videotron.ca> References: <200310211109.39984.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <20031022205910.GY28341@rednote.net> Hi, Elton: You might want to look at the following urls: http://accessibility.freestandards.org http://www.linux-speakup.org/ftp/disks/redhat/ Elton Woo writes: > From: Elton Woo > > What moves are afoot to make linux truly user friendly for handicapped > users? I'm thinking of usablity for blind users (auditory and visual clues), > amputees (voice input), the deaf (speech output), etc... > > And IMVHO, some of these technologies are useful to > others also (reducing the risks of CTS, as one example), beneficial to > those with poor typing skills, or the elderly, etc... > > ... just bloody curious, that's all! > > Elton ;-) > -- > http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html > "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." > LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. > > > > > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list -- Janina Sajka Email: janina at rednote.net Phone: (202) 408-8175 Director, Technology Research and Development American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) http://www.afb.org Chair, Accessibility Work Group Free Standards Group http://accessibility.freestandards.org From ssibert at hollins.edu Wed Oct 22 21:09:55 2003 From: ssibert at hollins.edu (Scott A. Sibert) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 17:09:55 -0400 Subject: scrambled partition not rewritten in test3 install Message-ID: <36C952EA2F84E8469C3A4BA41A30466202497777@graphite.hollinsnt.hollins.edu> reposting because of stupid html email On the same hardware as my earlier post (and before the crash noted in my earlier post) the test3 installer said the partition table was not aligned correctly (or something like that). One symptom of that is there was always a partition from cylinder 1 to cylinder 1 of size 0 no matter how much I tried to delete it. It asked if I wanted to "Ignore" or "Cancel" and choosing either did the same thing: no changes to the partition table. It would then proceed to let me choose autopartition or disk druid (or my favorite, fdisk from shell). I booted the RHEL3 beta cd and it also gave me the partition warning message. When I chose "Cancel" there, it asked me if I wanted to rewrite the partition table which would wipe out all data on the disk. Of course, I wanted to do so. The partition table now does not have that strange first partition. Booting back to test 3 I do not get the partition table alignment warning. It sounds to me like a step is missing from test3 that exists in RHEL3 beta. I can not test this again since the partition table is now fixed. --Scott PS. Joe: I'm running memtest86 v3.0 and will see if it shows any errors -- doing all tests. From xose at wanadoo.es Wed Oct 22 21:11:23 2003 From: xose at wanadoo.es (Xose Vazquez Perez) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 23:11:23 +0200 Subject: video card: comments please? References: <200310221607.46601.elwoo@videotron.ca> <3F96EF82.40402@tmsusa.com> Message-ID: <3F96F27B.8060502@wanadoo.es> joe wrote: >> In short: "seis de uno y media docena del otro" <*SIGH*> > Was zum teufel hast du gesagt??? das kommt mir spanisch vor! ok, I will translate it: "six of this and half dozen of other" -- HTML mails are going to trash automatically From xose at wanadoo.es Wed Oct 22 21:15:56 2003 From: xose at wanadoo.es (Xose Vazquez Perez) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 23:15:56 +0200 Subject: An end to the GRUB/LILO threads... References: <1066854659.7821.17.camel@mirkwood.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <3F96F38C.1030305@wanadoo.es> Jeremy Katz wrote: > 2) Hardware that GRUB doesn't work with. If you have hardware on which > this is the case, testing across multiple versions of grub (it's been > shipped since Red Hat Linux 7.2, the old packages should all still > install) as well as making sure your BIOS is current. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ maybe, a piece of advise in RELASE-NOTES about this will be nice -- HTML mails are going to trash automatically From xose at wanadoo.es Wed Oct 22 21:41:56 2003 From: xose at wanadoo.es (Xose Vazquez Perez) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 23:41:56 +0200 Subject: An end to the GRUB/LILO threads... References: Message-ID: <3F96F9A4.4010203@wanadoo.es> Chuck Wolber wrote: >>maybe, a piece of advise in RELASE-NOTES about this will be nice > > So if I update the bios on my 486... > report it to :-P -- HTML mails are going to trash automatically From jeremyp at pobox.com Wed Oct 22 22:04:14 2003 From: jeremyp at pobox.com (Jeremy Portzer) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 18:04:14 -0400 Subject: lilo vs grub In-Reply-To: <3F96CB58.3050304@fnal.gov> References: <3F931F56.4050400@bol.com.br> <20031020165549.GC12274@rednote.net> <1066708062.2070.5.camel@bettie.internal.frields.org> <200310210941.13704.tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie> <1066744109.24096.17.camel@jeremy.dtcc.cc.nc.us> <3F96A9BD.1000801@fnal.gov> <20031022120427.B30052@mail.harddata.com> <3F96CB58.3050304@fnal.gov> Message-ID: <1066860254.26733.30.camel@jeremy.dtcc.cc.nc.us> On Wed, 2003-10-22 at 14:24, Troy Dawson wrote: > I wasn't saying info pages in general weren't good, just the grub ones. I > find myself constantly going in circles when I go through it. I keep hoping > they get fixed (it had been a few months since I last looked at them.) so when > Jeremy said that, I gave them another look. I am sorry, I did not mean to imply that the --once option was properly documented; I was only defending the fact that 1) the option has existed in grub for 18 months, and 2) grub generally does have full documentation in its info pages. As you've demonstrated, this option is not properly documented. I think I had initially learned about it from a previous Red Hat list (perhaps shrike-list), and confirmed the date of its insertion from the RPM changelog. I'm sorry if I came across a little condescending in my previous post. Sometimes dealing with clueless users all day and then trying to be polite here as well is difficult. :-) --Jeremy -- /---------------------------------------------------------------------\ | Jeremy Portzer jeremyp at pobox.com trilug.org/~jeremy | | GPG Fingerprint: 712D 77C7 AB2D 2130 989F E135 6F9F F7BC CC1A 7B92 | \---------------------------------------------------------------------/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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IIRC the UTF-8 is the only change from default. Make sure you make this after picking a session etc. or else it will get reset with the data from the session. -- William Hooper From jeremyp at pobox.com Wed Oct 22 22:12:13 2003 From: jeremyp at pobox.com (Jeremy Portzer) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 18:12:13 -0400 Subject: Bad Terminal Character Translation with PuTTy In-Reply-To: <3F96EEEB.5050106@arcamax.com> References: <3F96EEEB.5050106@arcamax.com> Message-ID: <1066860732.26733.35.camel@jeremy.dtcc.cc.nc.us> On Wed, 2003-10-22 at 16:56, Bryan White wrote: > I found a FAQ on the PuTTy site that stated that starting with RedHat 8 > the OS was using UTF-8 and I the user would have to set this in the > PuTTy configuration. I tried this. The 'a with a hat' now turns into a > square block. Try changing your locale settings to something like the "C" locale (legacy mode); for example, "LANG=C pstree" at a prompt. I think the problem is that the drawing characters used by pstree are not in the UTF-8 character set that you are using. pstree probably needs to be fixed to be made aware of that. On my system pstree is just using standard ASCII chars like | and -, however, not the special drawing characters, so I'm not sure exactly what to say. --Jeremy -- /---------------------------------------------------------------------\ | Jeremy Portzer jeremyp at pobox.com trilug.org/~jeremy | | GPG Fingerprint: 712D 77C7 AB2D 2130 989F E135 6F9F F7BC CC1A 7B92 | \---------------------------------------------------------------------/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From res at ausics.net Wed Oct 22 23:02:01 2003 From: res at ausics.net (Res) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 09:02:01 +1000 (EST) Subject: PROFTPD In-Reply-To: <20031022112929.A27953@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <20031021051124.GB18150@prince.homelinux.org> <20031021133752.B4312@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <3F96570C.2040200@vlugnet.org> <20031022112929.A27953@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 22 Oct 2003, Bill Nottingham wrote: > Ronny Buchmann (ronny-vlug at vlugnet.org) said: > > > No. We prefer the security history of vsftpd. :) > > > > So why not use pureftpd? > > Because we haven't had problems with vsftpd, and it's had both > a good stability and performance record in our use. (i.e., if > it isn't broken, don't fix it...) One problem Bill, vsftpd is useless in a virtual situation where you have multiple customers, one copy of the program and a config file for each customer, with proftpd we do it with just 1 sole config file, not with hundreds of them. Though, we do run vsftpd on our anonymous ftpd cause it doesnt have to do anything else :) -- Regards, Res Network Administrator Postmaster / Abusemaster / Flamemaster http://www.ausics.net Australian Hosting Services From joe at tmsusa.com Wed Oct 22 23:06:28 2003 From: joe at tmsusa.com (joe) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 16:06:28 -0700 Subject: PROFTPD In-Reply-To: References: <20031021051124.GB18150@prince.homelinux.org> <20031021133752.B4312@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <3F96570C.2040200@vlugnet.org> <20031022112929.A27953@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <3F970D74.5010807@tmsusa.com> Res wrote: >On Wed, 22 Oct 2003, Bill Nottingham wrote: > > > >>Ronny Buchmann (ronny-vlug at vlugnet.org) said: >> >> >>>>No. We prefer the security history of vsftpd. :) >>>> >>>> >>>So why not use pureftpd? >>> >>> >>Because we haven't had problems with vsftpd, and it's had both >>a good stability and performance record in our use. (i.e., if >>it isn't broken, don't fix it...) >> >> > >One problem Bill, vsftpd is useless in a virtual situation where you have >multiple customers, one copy of the program and a config file for each >customer, with proftpd we do it with just 1 sole config file, not with >hundreds of them. > > Some folks prefer that kind of modularity - neat and clean, you don't muck about with one huge config file, it's all separated. The only thing I miss about proftpd is being able to say "ftpwho" >Though, we do run vsftpd on our anonymous ftpd cause it doesnt have to >do anything else :) > > hmm, a linux box that does only one thing? sounds like a lot of wasted computing power ;-) Joe From whooperhsd3 at earthlink.net Wed Oct 22 23:22:16 2003 From: whooperhsd3 at earthlink.net (William Hooper) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 19:22:16 -0400 (EDT) Subject: PROFTPD In-Reply-To: References: <20031021051124.GB18150@prince.homelinux.org><20031021133752.B4312@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <3F96570C.2040200@vlugnet.org><20031022112929.A27953@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <64780.65.40.134.44.1066864936.squirrel@65.40.134.44> Res said: > On Wed, 22 Oct 2003, Bill Nottingham wrote: > >> Ronny Buchmann (ronny-vlug at vlugnet.org) said: >> > > No. We prefer the security history of vsftpd. :) >> > >> > So why not use pureftpd? >> >> Because we haven't had problems with vsftpd, and it's had both >> a good stability and performance record in our use. (i.e., if >> it isn't broken, don't fix it...) > > One problem Bill, vsftpd is useless in a virtual situation where you have > multiple customers, one copy of the program and a config file for each > customer, with proftpd we do it with just 1 sole config file, not with > hundreds of them. Which I'm sure is part of the reason Bill said "It's certainly a candidate for Fedora Extras." Or at least he can now claim it was. :-) -- William Hooper From fedora at warmcat.com Mon Oct 20 18:45:18 2003 From: fedora at warmcat.com (Andy Green) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 19:45:18 +0100 Subject: Compiling 2.6.0 In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20031020113335.00a98ad0@mail.web-ster.com> References: <5.2.1.1.0.20031020113335.00a98ad0@mail.web-ster.com> Message-ID: <200310201945.18338.fedora@warmcat.com> On Monday 20 October 2003 19:38, Scott Baker wrote: > I downloaded the source for Kernel 2.6.0 test8 and I'm able to compile and > mkinitrd to stop complaining. Someone must have run into this before me. http://people.redhat.com/arjanv/2.5/RPMS.kernel/ Arjan at Redhat has been making nice 2.5/2.6 RPMs for a while. Thank you Arjan. Works good for me, except I can't compile the nVidia closed source driver with it yet, even with the minion.de advice :-/ -Andy From florin at sgi.com Wed Oct 22 23:39:48 2003 From: florin at sgi.com (Florin Andrei) Date: 22 Oct 2003 16:39:48 -0700 Subject: An end to the GRUB/LILO threads... In-Reply-To: <3F96F38C.1030305@wanadoo.es> References: <1066854659.7821.17.camel@mirkwood.devel.redhat.com> <3F96F38C.1030305@wanadoo.es> Message-ID: <1066865987.6112.44.camel@stantz.corp.sgi.com> On Wed, 2003-10-22 at 14:15, Xose Vazquez Perez wrote: > Jeremy Katz wrote: > > > 2) Hardware that GRUB doesn't work with. If you have hardware on which > > this is the case, testing across multiple versions of grub (it's been > > shipped since Red Hat Linux 7.2, the old packages should all still > > install) as well as making sure your BIOS is current. > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > maybe, a piece of advise in RELASE-NOTES about this will be nice Kind of a rathole, but anyway... The irony is, with the MSI NForce1 and Red Hat 9, it's the recent BIOS versions that don't work. The original BIOS supplied with the mobo used to work. I learned it the hard way. :-/ I'll test Grub once Fedora-stable is out. -- Florin Andrei http://florin.myip.org/ From bryan at arcamax.com Thu Oct 23 00:06:39 2003 From: bryan at arcamax.com (Bryan White) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 20:06:39 -0400 Subject: Bad Terminal Character Translation with PuTTy In-Reply-To: <65251.65.40.134.44.1066860651.squirrel@65.40.134.44> References: <3F96EEEB.5050106@arcamax.com> <65251.65.40.134.44.1066860651.squirrel@65.40.134.44> Message-ID: <3F971B8F.6020304@arcamax.com> William Hooper wrote: > Setting UTF-8 works for me using PuTTY 0.53b. In the "Translation" > section of PuTTY I have: I figured it out. I had selected 'Terminal 9pt' font. I suspect it is a bitmaped font that does not have mappings for those characters or something. Any good font recomendations? -- Bryan White, ArcaMax Inc. Who approaches the Bridge of Death Must answer me these questions three Ere the other side he see. From jtlegbandt at earthlink.net Thu Oct 23 00:08:56 2003 From: jtlegbandt at earthlink.net (Joshua Legbandt) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 17:08:56 -0700 Subject: .xinitrc and .xession not being read? In-Reply-To: References: <1066833303.7705.46.camel@suburbia> Message-ID: <1066867736.3767.6.camel@suburbia> On Wed, 2003-10-22 at 08:06, Mike A. Harris wrote: > On Wed, 22 Oct 2003, Joshua Legbandt wrote: > > >Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 07:35:03 -0700 > >From: Joshua Legbandt > >To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com > >Content-Type: text/plain > >List-Id: For testers of Red Hat Linux beta releases > > > >Subject: .xinitrc and .xession not being read? > > > >Since I've upgraded to the fedora core 1 test series from Red Hat 9 > >(originally to post severn rawhide) and started logging in through gdm, > >I've noticed that my .xinitrc and my .xsession (one is a symbolic link > >to the other) are not getting invoked. Specifically, I have the > >following lines that are not being executed via my .xsession: > > > >xset fp+ /home/finn/.xfonts > >xset fp rehash > > Red Hat Linux by default uses "xfs" for serving fonts, and the X > server is not used for serving fonts. The "xset fp" commands > tell the X server (not xfs) to manipulate it's fontpath and > add/remove/refresh/etc. the X server font path only. If your X > server is not reconfigured to allow this to work properly, by > enabling the various font modules in the Modules section of the > X server config file, if you try to add font paths with xset to > the X server and those FPEs contain fonts that the X server does > not have a module loaded to handle, then the request will be > ignored as the X server isn't capable of doing what you've asked > in its current configuration. > I don't think that this is the case, as I am able to run the xset commands after X is started and the fonts work as expected. > > >I've only noticed this now, not months ago, due to the fact that > >I am now using xterm to connect to certain hosts that behave > >funny when I use gnome-terminal. Had I never had to connect to > >the hosts, and hence use xterm, I probably would never have > >noticed this. Anyone have any ideas on why this is occurring? > > You might want to put the fonts in ~/.fonts instead and use > xterm with the -fa switch to get antialiased fonts using the > fontconfig/Xft client side font mechanism instead of the aging > legacy core fonts subsystem. > Interesting idea. I'll give that a try, but one of the reasons that I like my non-aliased bitmap fonts is that they stay sharp, unlike the truetype fonts that are unused by default. I tend to like small text, which has led me to use 6 point fonts in the majority of my system, and even 5.5 point fonts for xchat. I have to do this since the resolution on my screen is 118x115 dpi (as reported by xdpyinfo) and I have my resolution set to 118dpi in the gnome font rendering preferences. I've wondered if there is a better way to keep my fonts sharp at small point sizes. > Hope this helps. It gives me something to work with, as I always I appreciate the info. Cheers, josh -- Joshua Legbandt From whooperhsd3 at earthlink.net Thu Oct 23 00:20:37 2003 From: whooperhsd3 at earthlink.net (William Hooper) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 20:20:37 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Bad Terminal Character Translation with PuTTy In-Reply-To: <3F971B8F.6020304@arcamax.com> References: <3F96EEEB.5050106@arcamax.com> <65251.65.40.134.44.1066860651.squirrel@65.40.134.44> <3F971B8F.6020304@arcamax.com> Message-ID: <64584.65.40.134.44.1066868437.squirrel@65.40.134.44> Bryan White said: > William Hooper wrote: > >> Setting UTF-8 works for me using PuTTY 0.53b. In the "Translation" >> section of PuTTY I have: > > I figured it out. I had selected 'Terminal 9pt' font. I suspect it is > a bitmaped font that does not have mappings for those characters or > something. > > Any good font recomendations? I've always left it at Courier New, 10-pt. -- William Hooper From nosp at xades.com Thu Oct 23 00:23:44 2003 From: nosp at xades.com (nosp) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 01:23:44 +0100 Subject: Games doesent work in Fedora test 3 In-Reply-To: References: <3F95769F.3080502@linuxin.dk> <3F959DAF.60305@linuxin.dk> <200310211410.02540.jkeating@j2solutions.net> <3F960C98.9060901@linuxin.dk> <1066809492.5398.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> <3F96974A.4060801@linuxin.dk> <3F96B61D.30902@tmsusa.com> Message-ID: <1066868624.25815.38.camel@earth.xades.com> On Wed, 2003-10-22 at 19:02, Mike A. Harris wrote: > The Nvidia libGL, and the Mesa libGL explicitly conflict with > each other. There is no way to cleanly make them coexist > currently. > > I think I should make this conflict explicit in the rpm rather > than users continuously experiencing unknown libGL problems when > installing Nvidia's drivers. This would make it much easier for > people using Nvidia proprietary drivers to use them with less > troublesome and hard to diagnose conflicts. > > I'll investigate doing this in our next build. I suppose it's not as simple as letting X install without the Mesa rpm? I'd gladly not install that if it meant I didn't have to re-install my nvidia drivers after every Mesa upgrade from rawhide. I must be doing something basic wrong: although the rpm doesn't seem to be a dependency of anything, apt wants to rip X & everything that uses it out if I try to remove the Mesa rpm: # rpm -q --whatrequires XFree86-Mesa-libGL no package requires XFree86-Mesa-libGL # apt-get remove XFree86-Mesa-libGL Reading Package Lists... Done Building Dependency Tree... Done The following packages will be REMOVED: GConf GConf-devel GConf2 [snip] emacs (the horror!) [snip] evolution evolution-devel [snip] gnome-desktop [umm...] redhat-config-rootpassword [yes, it's bad...you get the picture] [snip] 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 257 removed and 0 not upgraded. Need to get 0B of archives. After unpacking 994MB disk space will be freed. Do you want to continue? [Y/n] n[o friggin way] --- From elwoo at videotron.ca Wed Oct 22 20:21:26 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 16:21:26 -0400 Subject: GPG problem: bug report needed? Message-ID: <200310221621.26855.elwoo@videotron.ca> I'm following the tutorial here: http://home.earthlink.net/~cortana/gpghowto.html to create my PGP signature. At this section: "If you type ``gpg --armor --export janeq at yoyodyne.com > my_public_key.asc'', GnuPG will create a keyfile that you can email to anyone you like. " I get the following error message: ]$ gpg --armor --export elwoo at videotron > Elton\'s_public_key.asc gpg: /home/abe/.gnupg/gpg.conf:141: argument not expected Is this a bug in GPG? Elton -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From jkeating at j2solutions.net Thu Oct 23 00:50:06 2003 From: jkeating at j2solutions.net (Jesse Keating) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 17:50:06 -0700 Subject: GPG problem: bug report needed? In-Reply-To: <200310221621.26855.elwoo@videotron.ca> References: <200310221621.26855.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <200310221750.10440.jkeating@j2solutions.net> On Wednesday 22 October 2003 13:21, Elton Woo wrote: > gpg: /home/abe/.gnupg/gpg.conf:141: argument not expected > > Is this a bug in GPG? > > Elton Well, whats on line 141? It's not necessarily a bug, but it just didn't like something in your config file. -- Jesse Keating RHCE MCSE (geek.j2solutions.net) Fedora Legacy Team (www.fedora.us/wiki/FedoraLegacy) Mondo DevTeam (www.mondorescue.org) GPG Public Key (geek.j2solutions.net/jkeating.j2solutions.pub) Was I helpful? Let others know: http://svcs.affero.net/rm.php?r=jkeating -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: signature URL: From eric at interplas.com Thu Oct 23 00:59:16 2003 From: eric at interplas.com (Eric Wood) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 20:59:16 -0400 Subject: An end to the GRUB/LILO threads... References: <1066854659.7821.17.camel@mirkwood.devel.redhat.com> <3F96F38C.1030305@wanadoo.es> <1066865987.6112.44.camel@stantz.corp.sgi.com> Message-ID: <000d01c39900$e6743110$6401a8c0@VAIO> Florin Andrei wrote: > I'll test Grub once Fedora-stable is out. Yes, no better time to test it until it's already been released. ;-) -eric wood From itsme_410 at yahoo.com Thu Oct 23 01:12:02 2003 From: itsme_410 at yahoo.com (Globe Trotter) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 18:12:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: problems using grub Message-ID: <20031023011202.11183.qmail@web40311.mail.yahoo.com> OK, I decided to give installing Fedora Core Test3 a try on my Dell Dimension 650 Dual HDD, Dual Intel Processor and have had several several frustrating hours. I am in need of help! First problem: I have RAID on the system. Installing with Grub meant a blinking light after grub stage 2 and precious little more. So I took off RAID completely, with not much difference in results. Except that sometimes I can hit the escape button and then the graphical screen for booting in does show up. I have still been unable to reproduce this reliably enough to find a pattern in this madness. It works sometimes, but then sometimes not. Can someone please help me out here? While installing, I was offered the choice of creating a boot diskette. When I happily lapped up the opportunity, I was told that my kernels were far too big to fit in a floppy. An option to write to a CD or several diskettes would be really great here! Also, is it possible to get into interactive startup? I have tried fixing my finger on "i" to no avail. Of course, the more pressing problem currently is how to get a reliable boot into the machine. Finally, and this is very important, because I want to bring back RAID on my system: how do I install another bootloader? I am somewhat of a newbie but an adventurous (perhaps foolish) one at that, so could you please tell me what I have to do to bring up LILO boot as an option. Assuming of course, I can get into the system the next time I reboot (right now it is blinking grubbily at me and refusing my esc carrot). I understand that the grub coalition may come at me for throwing a spanner into their notions of enforced choice, but here I am, having read and tried all the posts on GRUB and RAID and whatnot but still stuck. I prefer the look of GRUB but am happier with a grubbier-looking LILO which works for me.... Thanks and best wishes! __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From cochranb at speakeasy.net Thu Oct 23 01:54:49 2003 From: cochranb at speakeasy.net (Robert L Cochran) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 21:54:49 -0400 Subject: problems using grub In-Reply-To: <20031023011202.11183.qmail@web40311.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20031023011202.11183.qmail@web40311.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3F9734E9.6060409@speakeasy.net> If you are doing RAID1, then in your grub.conf file entry: kernel /vmlinuz-2.4.22-1.2097.nptl ro root=/dev/md1 initrd /initrd-2.4.22-1.2097.nptl.img The key parameter is passing root=/dev/md1 (or whatever your RAID device configuration is for the root partition of the RAIDed disks). I use RAID 1 with 2 hard disks, and mirror /boot and /, and never had a problem I couldn't fix. Sometimes it just takes a little experimentation and try, try again. Bob Globe Trotter wrote: > OK, I decided to give installing Fedora Core Test3 a try on my Dell Dimension > 650 Dual HDD, Dual Intel Processor and have had several several frustrating > hours. I am in need of help! > > First problem: I have RAID on the system. Installing with Grub meant a blinking > light after grub stage 2 and precious little more. So I took off RAID > completely, with not much difference in results. Except that sometimes I can > hit the escape button and then the graphical screen for booting in does show > up. I have still been unable to reproduce this reliably enough to find a > pattern in this madness. It works sometimes, but then sometimes not. Can > someone please help me out here? > > While installing, I was offered the choice of creating a boot diskette. When I > happily lapped up the opportunity, I was told that my kernels were far too big > to fit in a floppy. An option to write to a CD or several diskettes would be > really great here! > > Also, is it possible to get into interactive startup? I have tried fixing my > finger on "i" to no avail. Of course, the more pressing problem currently is > how to get a reliable boot into the machine. > > Finally, and this is very important, because I want to bring back RAID on my > system: how do I install another bootloader? I am somewhat of a newbie but an > adventurous (perhaps foolish) one at that, so could you please tell me what I > have to do to bring up LILO boot as an option. Assuming of course, I can get > into the system the next time I reboot (right now it is blinking grubbily at me > and refusing my esc carrot). > > I understand that the grub coalition may come at me for throwing a spanner into > their notions of enforced choice, but here I am, having read and tried all the > posts on GRUB and RAID and whatnot but still stuck. I prefer the look of GRUB > but am happier with a grubbier-looking LILO which works for me.... > > Thanks and best wishes! > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search > http://shopping.yahoo.com > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > -- Bob Cochran Greenbelt, Maryland, USA http://greenbeltcomputer.biz/ From janina at rednote.net Thu Oct 23 01:57:07 2003 From: janina at rednote.net (Janina Sajka) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 21:57:07 -0400 Subject: Speakup in kernel In-Reply-To: <1066766726.2225.25.camel@dbxwsd21> References: <20031020155537.GI7677@rednote.net> <200310202018.h9KKIwA11721@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <20031020221535.GO15678@rednote.net> <20031021103637.A32367@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <20031021153719.GK9683@rednote.net> <20031021133901.A6152@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <20031021193429.GK14973@rednote.net> <20031021195509.GM14973@rednote.net> <1066766726.2225.25.camel@dbxwsd21> Message-ID: <20031023015707.GE23591@rednote.net> Will Backman writes: > From: Will Backman > > Before we get too angry... > The open source nature of Linux means that Speakup kernels are > available. Just like the open source advocates say "if your vendor does > not provide it, those who want it can." Not an excuse for not asking > RedHat to try, but... > > There is the inclusion of gnopernicus (not full inclusion, but getting > there), which provides things that speakup does not, on screen > keyboards, and a magnifier. Some would say that this is a better > approach, as it lets us avoid the "separate but equal" trap where most > users get Evolution, but those using speakup have to use Mutt or some > other text mode mail client. There is no single answer. There can't be. Blind people--other people with disabilities--are the same as all other people in that sense. We are not all the same (which is a good thing), and no one solution can meet all needs. Using mutt is not a disability ghetto. Mutt and the console are not special apps for pwds. These are options generally available, and it's proper that they be available to all users, regardless of disability status. > > Fedora is a community project. We cannot throw this at RedHat any > more. If we want to influence the project, Fedora provides a better > chance than before. > > Peace, Love, Linux. > > On Tue, 2003-10-21 at 15:55, Janina Sajka wrote: > > Oh, it's clear RH has no intention. What is now also clear is that the > > reasoning is highly suspect. In fact, prejudicial against persons with > > disabilities. Not hard to make that case from this thread. > > > > It will come back on RH, though. This isn't going away. Just as the > > discriminatory practices with RCE isn't going away. The RCE issue is a > > lurking ADA legal issue. The kernel accessibility issue will be back. > > Perhaps only upstream. But, we're not going away. > > > > > > Mike A. Harris writes: > > > From: "Mike A. Harris" > > > > > > On Tue, 21 Oct 2003, Janina Sajka wrote: > > > > > > >> > don't recall any documentation of security, or any issue other than a > > > >> > single I18N issue. > > > >> > > > >> It was discussed with the author. Not all security issues are subject > > > >> to instant full disclosure. > > > >> > > > > > > > >OK. I can easily check with the author and will do so. > > > > > > > >But, you said "multiple issues, including security." What else, please? > > > >With documentation, please. > > > > > > > >Put up, Michael. > > > > > > Michael presented enough information already as to why it is not > > > present, and is NOT going to be included for technical and other > > > reasons, as has Alan. Being rude and obnoxious is simply NOT > > > going to change that. > > > > > > Here is Alan's email if you missed it. > > > > > > End of story. > > > > > > > > > > > > Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 14:48:48 -0400 (EDT) > > > From: Alan Cox > > > To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > > List-Id: For testers of Red Hat Linux beta releases > > > > > > Subject: Re: Speakup in kernel > > > > > > > And, as for those multiple issues, where are they documented, > > > please? I > > > > don't recall any documentation of security, or any issue other > > > than a > > > > single I18N issue. > > > > > > There were a series of issues discussed with the original authors > > > - lack of modularity > > > - incorrect interfacing to tty layer for serial units > > > - some security problems (not publically disclosed) > > > - problems with /proc config interface > > > - future - when you need userspace to set up serial ports or > > > direct usb > > > what will happen - there needs to be an interface lower than > > > Linux to > > > solve these problems. > > > - the fact many blind linux users including blind kernel > > > development folks > > > felt it was the wrong model > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Mike A. Harris ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris > > > OS Systems Engineer - XFree86 maintainer - Red Hat > > > > > > > > > -- > > > fedora-test-list mailing list > > > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > > > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list -- Janina Sajka Email: janina at rednote.net Phone: (202) 408-8175 Director, Technology Research and Development American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) http://www.afb.org Chair, Accessibility Work Group Free Standards Group http://accessibility.freestandards.org From janina at rednote.net Thu Oct 23 01:59:27 2003 From: janina at rednote.net (Janina Sajka) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 21:59:27 -0400 Subject: Speakup in kernel In-Reply-To: <1066766968.7859.118.camel@binkley> References: <20031020155537.GI7677@rednote.net> <200310202018.h9KKIwA11721@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <20031020221535.GO15678@rednote.net> <20031021103637.A32367@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <20031021153719.GK9683@rednote.net> <20031021133901.A6152@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <20031021193429.GK14973@rednote.net> <20031021195509.GM14973@rednote.net> <1066766968.7859.118.camel@binkley> Message-ID: <20031023015926.GF23591@rednote.net> You can't use Speakup to take the exams, and Red Hat has upset several folks with their policies regarding access to RHCE materials. The ADA wouldn't apply to software. But, it does apply to programs like RHCE. seth vidal writes: > From: seth vidal > > On Tue, 2003-10-21 at 15:55, Janina Sajka wrote: > > Oh, it's clear RH has no intention. What is now also clear is that the > > reasoning is highly suspect. In fact, prejudicial against persons with > > disabilities. Not hard to make that case from this thread. > > > > It will come back on RH, though. This isn't going away. Just as the > > discriminatory practices with RCE isn't going away. The RCE issue is a > > lurking ADA legal issue. The kernel accessibility issue will be back. > > Perhaps only upstream. But, we're not going away. > > > > Hey, Hey, Careful bandying about the ADA as a defense. It could be an > issue - but if reasonable accommodations are made then it is not an > issue. Moreover if the non-ada compliance limited every piece of > software from being released then you'd never get any software released, > ever. > > I think disability-compliance is very important,(I take careful notice > of places where ada non-compliance is downright dangerous, especially > for the deaf) but I also think that if you're going to do fix code then > it needs to be done in such a way that the people who have to maintain > the code won't cringe everytime they have to think about it. > > >From what I've read here the red hat kernel folks seem edgy about the > implementation. > > -sv > > > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list -- Janina Sajka Email: janina at rednote.net Phone: (202) 408-8175 Director, Technology Research and Development American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) http://www.afb.org Chair, Accessibility Work Group Free Standards Group http://accessibility.freestandards.org From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Thu Oct 23 02:05:20 2003 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 22:05:20 -0400 Subject: Speakup in kernel In-Reply-To: <20031023015926.GF23591@rednote.net> References: <20031020155537.GI7677@rednote.net> <200310202018.h9KKIwA11721@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <20031020221535.GO15678@rednote.net> <20031021103637.A32367@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <20031021153719.GK9683@rednote.net> <20031021133901.A6152@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <20031021193429.GK14973@rednote.net> <20031021195509.GM14973@rednote.net> <1066766968.7859.118.camel@binkley> <20031023015926.GF23591@rednote.net> Message-ID: <1066874720.3609.2.camel@binkley> On Wed, 2003-10-22 at 21:59, Janina Sajka wrote: > You can't use Speakup to take the exams, and Red Hat has upset several > folks with their policies regarding access to RHCE materials. > > The ADA wouldn't apply to software. But, it does apply to programs like > RHCE. That's fine - but the RHCE exams are something to take up with red hat legal - not this list. Especially not this list. -sv From itsme_410 at yahoo.com Thu Oct 23 02:16:09 2003 From: itsme_410 at yahoo.com (Globe Trotter) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 19:16:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: problems using grub In-Reply-To: <3F9734E9.6060409@speakeasy.net> Message-ID: <20031023021609.39875.qmail@web40310.mail.yahoo.com> Thanks a lot! But my problem seems to exist even when I have disabled the raid device. Any ideas as to how I can get a new bootloader? Thanks again and best wishes! --- Robert L Cochran wrote: > > If you are doing RAID1, then in your grub.conf file entry: > > kernel /vmlinuz-2.4.22-1.2097.nptl ro root=/dev/md1 > initrd /initrd-2.4.22-1.2097.nptl.img > > The key parameter is passing root=/dev/md1 (or whatever your RAID device > configuration is for the root partition of the RAIDed disks). I use RAID > 1 with 2 hard disks, and mirror /boot and /, and never had a problem I > couldn't fix. Sometimes it just takes a little experimentation and try, > try again. > > Bob > > > > Globe Trotter wrote: > > OK, I decided to give installing Fedora Core Test3 a try on my Dell > Dimension > > 650 Dual HDD, Dual Intel Processor and have had several several frustrating > > hours. I am in need of help! > > > > First problem: I have RAID on the system. Installing with Grub meant a > blinking > > light after grub stage 2 and precious little more. So I took off RAID > > completely, with not much difference in results. Except that sometimes I > can > > hit the escape button and then the graphical screen for booting in does > show > > up. I have still been unable to reproduce this reliably enough to find a > > pattern in this madness. It works sometimes, but then sometimes not. Can > > someone please help me out here? > > > > While installing, I was offered the choice of creating a boot diskette. > When I > > happily lapped up the opportunity, I was told that my kernels were far too > big > > to fit in a floppy. An option to write to a CD or several diskettes would > be > > really great here! > > > > Also, is it possible to get into interactive startup? I have tried fixing > my > > finger on "i" to no avail. Of course, the more pressing problem currently > is > > how to get a reliable boot into the machine. > > > > Finally, and this is very important, because I want to bring back RAID on > my > > system: how do I install another bootloader? I am somewhat of a newbie but > an > > adventurous (perhaps foolish) one at that, so could you please tell me what > I > > have to do to bring up LILO boot as an option. Assuming of course, I can > get > > into the system the next time I reboot (right now it is blinking grubbily > at me > > and refusing my esc carrot). > > > > I understand that the grub coalition may come at me for throwing a spanner > into > > their notions of enforced choice, but here I am, having read and tried all > the > > posts on GRUB and RAID and whatnot but still stuck. I prefer the look of > GRUB > > but am happier with a grubbier-looking LILO which works for me.... > > > > Thanks and best wishes! > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search > > http://shopping.yahoo.com > > > > > > -- > > fedora-test-list mailing list > > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > > > > > -- > Bob Cochran > Greenbelt, Maryland, USA > http://greenbeltcomputer.biz/ > > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From elwoo at videotron.ca Wed Oct 22 18:29:05 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 14:29:05 -0400 Subject: video card: comments please? In-Reply-To: <3F96F27B.8060502@wanadoo.es> References: <3F96EF82.40402@tmsusa.com> <3F96F27B.8060502@wanadoo.es> Message-ID: <200310221429.05395.elwoo@videotron.ca> On October 22, 2003 05:11 pm, Xose Vazquez Perez , > wrote: > joe wrote: > >> In short: "seis de uno y media docena del otro" <*SIGH*> > > > > Was zum teufel hast du gesagt??? das kommt mir spanisch vor! > > ok, I will translate it: "six of this and half dozen of other" ... en realidad: "six of one and half a dozen of the other"... Elton ;-) -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From janina at rednote.net Thu Oct 23 02:29:07 2003 From: janina at rednote.net (Janina Sajka) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 22:29:07 -0400 Subject: Speakup in kernel In-Reply-To: References: <20031020155537.GI7677@rednote.net> <200310202018.h9KKIwA11721@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <20031020221535.GO15678@rednote.net> <20031021103637.A32367@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <20031021153719.GK9683@rednote.net> <20031021133901.A6152@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <20031021193429.GK14973@rednote.net> <20031021195509.GM14973@rednote.net> Message-ID: <20031023022907.GG23591@rednote.net> Jonathan Blandford writes: > From: Jonathan Blandford > > Janina Sajka writes: > > > Oh, it's clear RH has no intention. What is now also clear is that the > > reasoning is highly suspect. In fact, prejudicial against persons with > > disabilities. Not hard to make that case from this thread. > > That's not fair, Janina -- we care a lot about making Linux accessible. > I was disappointed too to see speakup not make Fedora Core, but I've > seen the kernel team on this list consistently complain about the > implementation of that patch. I don't feel particularly qualified to > tell the kernel guys here what is and isn't good code, and have to defer > to them. If I've been unfair, I am sorry for that. Nor do I intend to suggest that Red Hat is against accessibility, because I don't think that is the case. But your point about expertise also supports my position. Being an expert in kernel coding does not make one an expert in accessibility. Frankly, having a disability doesn't qualify one either because all people with disabilities are not the same and have very different needs and abilities. So I would agree that fair means respecting expertise. I would think it also means applying criteria equitably and consistently. Without revisiting the details, it's this that got me on my soapbox, because I see very different standards across several issues, some of which I've documented (and which have not been answered). You say the kernel team were unhappy with the Speakup patch. Yet, it transpires in cc's of mail since yesterday, that the author of Speakup never received any communication from Red Hat about it. Which brings me to my last point about fair. Fair is not about reading each others minds. Some weeks ago when the issue was newt, we heard that our Bugzilla reports were insufficiently documented. Doesn't fair require the same from Red Hat? Speakup was in 8.0 and then it was pulled. It's now also absent from the updated kernels for 8.0. But nobody bothered to make sure that Red Hat's concerns were documented properly and successfully delivered. That's not fair in my book. > > They are right on one aspect though -- this patch really needs to make > it upstream. We would never accept the current GNOME Accessibility > framework as a patch. Like most similarly-sized endeavors, it took a > long time to get it fully integrated in GNOME, but it was definitely > worth the effort as every distribution shipping GNOME gets imporved > Accessibility support "for free." > > -Jonathan > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list -- Janina Sajka Email: janina at rednote.net Phone: (202) 408-8175 Director, Technology Research and Development American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) http://www.afb.org Chair, Accessibility Work Group Free Standards Group http://accessibility.freestandards.org From 1midniterider at comcast.net Thu Oct 23 02:35:54 2003 From: 1midniterider at comcast.net (Marcus White) Date: 22 Oct 2003 22:35:54 -0400 Subject: Is Rawhide still offline? Message-ID: <1066876553.14082.118.camel@tbird> While attempting to grab the latest FC1 Beta 3 updates this evening, "up2date" bombed out with numerous error messages. Is rawhide still offline? -- Marcus White <1midniterider at comcast.net> From elwoo at videotron.ca Wed Oct 22 18:44:18 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 14:44:18 -0400 Subject: linux accessibility issues / Assistive Technology, etc. In-Reply-To: <20031022205910.GY28341@rednote.net> References: <200310211109.39984.elwoo@videotron.ca> <20031022205910.GY28341@rednote.net> Message-ID: <200310221444.18478.elwoo@videotron.ca> On October 22, 2003 04:59 pm, Janina Sajka , > wrote: > You might want to look at the following urls: > > http://accessibility.freestandards.org > http://www.linux-speakup.org/ftp/disks/redhat/ Thank you. I've bookmarked these. Interesting and informative! Elton ;-) -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From janina at rednote.net Thu Oct 23 02:49:15 2003 From: janina at rednote.net (Janina Sajka) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 22:49:15 -0400 Subject: Speakup in kernel In-Reply-To: References: <20031021195509.GM14973@rednote.net> Message-ID: <20031023024915.GH23591@rednote.net> > From: "Noah Silva [Mailing list]" > > > I applaud every effort to support those with disabilities, but coming on > the mailing list to try to force redhat's hand? It just isn't going to > happen. Except that they had this app in 8.0. Then it was pulled, and the retraction has never been explained--or communicated to the app's author--until last night. Does that change things somewhat? I think so. > > -- noah silva > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list -- Janina Sajka Email: janina at rednote.net Phone: (202) 408-8175 Director, Technology Research and Development American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) http://www.afb.org Chair, Accessibility Work Group Free Standards Group http://accessibility.freestandards.org From janina at rednote.net Thu Oct 23 02:53:49 2003 From: janina at rednote.net (Janina Sajka) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 22:53:49 -0400 Subject: Speakup in kernel In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20031023025349.GI23591@rednote.net> > From: "Mike A. Harris" > > > That means that accessibility features are important to us, and > that we will investigate various accesibility features/software > out there for technical review for potential inclusion into the > distribution. Like _ALL_ software that we review for possible > inclusion into the distribution however, we have high standards, > and if any software does not meet our standards, it may very well > be rejected on technical grounds. Glad to hear it. Would you please give me a hand with a Bugzilla filing? As you probably know, Bugzilla is very difficult to use with AT. The issue is firstboot. The problem is that you can't Ctrl-Alt-F1 out of it. That's an accessibility problem in that--well, I'm sure you'll understand the why's and how's. > > People are free to invent conspiracy theories however if that is > what they wish to do. > > > > -- > Mike A. Harris ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris > OS Systems Engineer - XFree86 maintainer - Red Hat > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list -- Janina Sajka Email: janina at rednote.net Phone: (202) 408-8175 Director, Technology Research and Development American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) http://www.afb.org Chair, Accessibility Work Group Free Standards Group http://accessibility.freestandards.org From cochranb at speakeasy.net Thu Oct 23 02:55:50 2003 From: cochranb at speakeasy.net (Robert L Cochran) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 22:55:50 -0400 Subject: problems using grub In-Reply-To: <20031023021609.39875.qmail@web40310.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20031023021609.39875.qmail@web40310.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3F974336.6040502@speakeasy.net> If you post the text of your /boot/grub/grub.conf, that would help a lot. Also post the output of 'df -h' You can get all this information simply and quickly by: 1. Make sure your CD drive is the first boot device -- go into BIOS to make sure 2. Put Fedora CD #1 in the CD drive 3. Reboot computer; at the boot: prompt enter 'linux rescue' 4. After your system has been mounted enter 'chroot /mnt/sysimage' 5. Mount a floppy disk 6. 'df -h > /mnt/floppy/df.txt' 7. 'cp -a /boot/grub/grub.conf /mnt/floppy' 8. 'umount /mnt/floppy', then remove the floppy. 9. 'exit' 10. 'exit' Have you actually read a grub tutorial and learned how to make a Grub boot disk and reinstall Grub itself? Hint: try the IBM DeveloperWorks tutorial on Grub. :-) I do not know how you "took off RAID" on your system. Are you using software RAID? Just how did you disable RAID? My suggestion is to read the RAID HOWTOs that are on http://www.tldp.org/ (The Linux Documentation Project), and try to troubleshoot your RAID problem. Sometimes it can take a while to clearly understand how devices work with software RAID, if that is what you are using, but once you do, it is all a snap and the problem goes away with the corrected config files. I suppose you could find Lilo from somewhere, do a Google search for it. But installing it will be tough to do and you will face the same issues with RAID. What is another bootloader going to do for you? If you messed up your RAID configuration in a panic, a different bootloader is not going to be a magic cure. Bob Globe Trotter wrote: > Thanks a lot! But my problem seems to exist even when I have disabled the raid > device. Any ideas as to how I can get a new bootloader? > > Thanks again and best wishes! > > > --- Robert L Cochran wrote: > >>If you are doing RAID1, then in your grub.conf file entry: >> >>kernel /vmlinuz-2.4.22-1.2097.nptl ro root=/dev/md1 >>initrd /initrd-2.4.22-1.2097.nptl.img >> >>The key parameter is passing root=/dev/md1 (or whatever your RAID device >>configuration is for the root partition of the RAIDed disks). I use RAID >>1 with 2 hard disks, and mirror /boot and /, and never had a problem I >>couldn't fix. Sometimes it just takes a little experimentation and try, >>try again. >> >>Bob >> >> >> >>Globe Trotter wrote: >> >>>OK, I decided to give installing Fedora Core Test3 a try on my Dell >> >>Dimension >> >>>650 Dual HDD, Dual Intel Processor and have had several several frustrating >>>hours. I am in need of help! >>> >>>First problem: I have RAID on the system. Installing with Grub meant a >> >>blinking >> >>>light after grub stage 2 and precious little more. So I took off RAID >>>completely, with not much difference in results. Except that sometimes I >> >>can >> >>>hit the escape button and then the graphical screen for booting in does >> >>show >> >>>up. I have still been unable to reproduce this reliably enough to find a >>>pattern in this madness. It works sometimes, but then sometimes not. Can >>>someone please help me out here? >>> >>>While installing, I was offered the choice of creating a boot diskette. >> >>When I >> >>>happily lapped up the opportunity, I was told that my kernels were far too >> >>big >> >>>to fit in a floppy. An option to write to a CD or several diskettes would >> >>be >> >>>really great here! >>> >>>Also, is it possible to get into interactive startup? I have tried fixing >> >>my >> >>>finger on "i" to no avail. Of course, the more pressing problem currently >> >>is >> >>>how to get a reliable boot into the machine. >>> >>>Finally, and this is very important, because I want to bring back RAID on >> >>my >> >>>system: how do I install another bootloader? I am somewhat of a newbie but >> >>an >> >>>adventurous (perhaps foolish) one at that, so could you please tell me what >> >>I >> >>>have to do to bring up LILO boot as an option. Assuming of course, I can >> >>get >> >>>into the system the next time I reboot (right now it is blinking grubbily >> >>at me >> >>>and refusing my esc carrot). >>> >>>I understand that the grub coalition may come at me for throwing a spanner >> >>into >> >>>their notions of enforced choice, but here I am, having read and tried all >> >>the >> >>>posts on GRUB and RAID and whatnot but still stuck. I prefer the look of >> >>GRUB >> >>>but am happier with a grubbier-looking LILO which works for me.... >>> >>>Thanks and best wishes! >>> >>> >>>__________________________________ >>>Do you Yahoo!? >>>The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search >>>http://shopping.yahoo.com >>> >>> >>>-- >>>fedora-test-list mailing list >>>fedora-test-list at redhat.com >>>http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list >>> >>> >> >>-- >>Bob Cochran >>Greenbelt, Maryland, USA >>http://greenbeltcomputer.biz/ >> >> >> >>-- >>fedora-test-list mailing list >>fedora-test-list at redhat.com >>http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search > http://shopping.yahoo.com > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > -- Bob Cochran Greenbelt, Maryland, USA http://greenbeltcomputer.biz/ From whiplash at planetfurry.com Thu Oct 23 02:57:14 2003 From: whiplash at planetfurry.com (Ricky Boone) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 22:57:14 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Is Rawhide still offline? In-Reply-To: <1066876553.14082.118.camel@tbird> References: <1066876553.14082.118.camel@tbird> Message-ID: <3364.24.167.186.98.1066877834.squirrel@us1.planetfurry.com> > While attempting to grab the latest FC1 Beta 3 updates this evening, > "up2date" bombed out with numerous error messages. Is rawhide still > offline? I believe so. Every time I try to get into the one on Redhat's server (through both FTP or HTTP), it's locked out. And the mirrors I've tried are either not up to date, slow, or keep kicking me out mid-transfer. Perhaps whoever is working on it should send a notice once it's back online? Also, when will a 0.95 channel be made in Fedora? I can get to the 0.94, but it's kind of a roundabout way of fixing it... From elwoo at videotron.ca Wed Oct 22 19:01:13 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 15:01:13 -0400 Subject: GPG problem: bug report needed? In-Reply-To: <200310221750.10440.jkeating@j2solutions.net> References: <200310221621.26855.elwoo@videotron.ca> <200310221750.10440.jkeating@j2solutions.net> Message-ID: <200310221501.13716.elwoo@videotron.ca> On October 22, 2003 08:50 pm, Jesse Keating , > wrote: > On Wednesday 22 October 2003 13:21, Elton Woo wrote: > > gpg: /home/abe/.gnupg/gpg.conf:141: argument not expected > > > > Is this a bug in GPG? > > > > Elton > > Well, whats on line 141? It's not necessarily a bug, but it just didn't > like something in your config file. Thank you. I had removed the REM from that line: reinserting the # corrected my problem. Elton ;-) -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From notting at redhat.com Thu Oct 23 03:09:53 2003 From: notting at redhat.com (Bill Nottingham) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 23:09:53 -0400 Subject: Is Rawhide still offline? In-Reply-To: <3364.24.167.186.98.1066877834.squirrel@us1.planetfurry.com>; from whiplash@planetfurry.com on Wed, Oct 22, 2003 at 10:57:14PM -0400 References: <1066876553.14082.118.camel@tbird> <3364.24.167.186.98.1066877834.squirrel@us1.planetfurry.com> Message-ID: <20031022230953.A15066@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Ricky Boone (whiplash at planetfurry.com) said: > Perhaps whoever is working on it should send a notice once it's back online? We will. It's taking longer to sync than we expected. Bill From janina at rednote.net Thu Oct 23 03:16:25 2003 From: janina at rednote.net (Janina Sajka) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 23:16:25 -0400 Subject: Speakup in kernel In-Reply-To: <20031021170939.A20259@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <20031020155537.GI7677@rednote.net> <200310202018.h9KKIwA11721@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <20031020221535.GO15678@rednote.net> <20031021103637.A32367@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <20031021153719.GK9683@rednote.net> <20031021133901.A6152@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <20031021193429.GK14973@rednote.net> <20031021170939.A20259@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20031023031625.GJ23591@rednote.net> Michael K. Johnson writes: > From: "Michael K. Johnson" > > On Tue, Oct 21, 2003 at 03:34:29PM -0400, Janina Sajka wrote: > > But, you said "multiple issues, including security." What else, please? > > With documentation, please. > > You've seen Alan's list by now. And the email with Kirk Reiser. > > But what part of "we are tracking upstream" and "submit it upstream" > is hard to understand? Fedora Core is not a place to put software > that YOU DO NOT THINK IS READY FOR UPSTREAM. Period. t's helpful to see Alan's list. But, it's very disturbing to note that it's only partly technical. It's also disturbing to have to fight to get explanations. No one forced Red Hat to put Speakup into 8.0. So, what do you expect us to say about what happened with Speakup at Red Hat when we go upstream? At least those answers are now pretty much at hand, even if they're not all very technical. > > Really, if you think that it's not good enough for upstream but > is good enough for the FC kernel, what does that say about your > opinion of the FC kernel? Pretty poor. Just thought you'd like to be a leader, not a follower. After all, you did put it in 8.0. > > >Put up, Michael. > > I've got a lot of goals. And, if your memory isn't horribly short, > you may remember me jumping in on a random piece of code outside > my area of expertise to help enable blind use, for which you thanked > me at the time. Still do. It was a trivial, yet extremely important patch to our constituency. Do you also recall telling me it was inadequately documented? Am I out of line expecting the same standard of excellence from Red Hat? > You may not remember that I was the one who got the > original blinux-list set up. Newt is important, and Speakup is important. Brltty is important. Doing something to make the emacspeak you ship actually work would be important. But, in the sceme of things, setting up a list serve is not a big deal. It was very nice of you, but it's not in the same league with these other issues. Not even close. > I'm not some anti-disabled bigot here, > and I'd appreciate it if you'd lay off the rhetoric. (If you don't, > I can find a place in my .procmailrc for you, frankly.) > > It is my responsibility to balance many competing demands. The > rules I have come up with to balance those demands are the result > of experience, and the upstream rule is one such rule. It's a good yardstick. But, for the last time, I'm not the one who decided to put Speakup into 8.0. If that was a mistake, as you've said it was, please recognize that making such "mistakes" creates spillover that's problematic for the cause of accessibility. It's seems the Mozilla email I shared with you is one such. Holding your feet to the fire for credible explanations of why you also pulled it is, therefore, not out of line. If those explanations stray into the unfortunate nontechnical, that's also not my doing. But it is my professional responsibility to point out what's wrong, as well as what's right, about your decisioning regarding accessibility. > > michaelkjohnson > > "He that composes himself is wiser than he that composes a book." > Linux Application Development -- Ben Franklin > http://people.redhat.com/johnsonm/lad/ > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list -- Janina Sajka Email: janina at rednote.net Phone: (202) 408-8175 Director, Technology Research and Development American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) http://www.afb.org Chair, Accessibility Work Group Free Standards Group http://accessibility.freestandards.org From itsme_410 at yahoo.com Thu Oct 23 03:16:34 2003 From: itsme_410 at yahoo.com (Globe Trotter) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 20:16:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: problems using grub In-Reply-To: <3F974336.6040502@speakeasy.net> Message-ID: <20031023031634.1771.qmail@web40301.mail.yahoo.com> Thanks a lot for the detailed help! I will try as you suggest tomorrow. When i mentioned that I took off RAID from the system, I meant that I disabled it using the BIOS. No, I have not read a formal grub tutorial. Thanks for the suggestion, but surely this should not be so difficult if we want people to get into Linux and away from OS's like Windoze? As I have said, I am a newcomer - I am not sure I am very interested in the precise details of a system -- I just want something that will be fast and allow me to do my computation-intensive work efficiently. The graphics card (ATI Radeon R300 NG FireGL X1) would not provide good resolution (1600x1200) and so i decided to try Fedora out. I did get a higher resolution after manually installing the driver, but it really messed up some things (such as acroread). (Of course, I get 1080xwhatever resolution with Fedora, so I am not sure it is even worth the effort. Actually, I thought I would try Fedora out after the post on the ATI Radeon cards in order to contribute to the testing....) Btw, I did install LILO. But am clueless as to how to get it to work....Maybe I will try out the google search you recommend. Thanks for your help. I will look into it, and post. Unless I decide to go back to RH9 tonight.... Thanks! --- Robert L Cochran wrote: > If you post the text of your /boot/grub/grub.conf, that would help a > lot. Also post the output of 'df -h' You can get all this information > simply and quickly by: > > 1. Make sure your CD drive is the first boot device -- go into BIOS to > make sure > 2. Put Fedora CD #1 in the CD drive > 3. Reboot computer; at the boot: prompt enter 'linux rescue' > 4. After your system has been mounted enter 'chroot /mnt/sysimage' > 5. Mount a floppy disk > 6. 'df -h > /mnt/floppy/df.txt' > 7. 'cp -a /boot/grub/grub.conf /mnt/floppy' > 8. 'umount /mnt/floppy', then remove the floppy. > 9. 'exit' > 10. 'exit' > > Have you actually read a grub tutorial and learned how to make a Grub > boot disk and reinstall Grub itself? Hint: try the IBM DeveloperWorks > tutorial on Grub. :-) > > I do not know how you "took off RAID" on your system. Are you using > software RAID? Just how did you disable RAID? > > My suggestion is to read the RAID HOWTOs that are on > http://www.tldp.org/ (The Linux Documentation Project), and try to > troubleshoot your RAID problem. Sometimes it can take a while to clearly > understand how devices work with software RAID, if that is what you are > using, but once you do, it is all a snap and the problem goes away with > the corrected config files. > > I suppose you could find Lilo from somewhere, do a Google search for it. > But installing it will be tough to do and you will face the same issues > with RAID. What is another bootloader going to do for you? If you messed > up your RAID configuration in a panic, a different bootloader is not > going to be a magic cure. > > Bob > > > > > Globe Trotter wrote: > > Thanks a lot! But my problem seems to exist even when I have disabled the > raid > > device. Any ideas as to how I can get a new bootloader? > > > > Thanks again and best wishes! > > > > > > --- Robert L Cochran wrote: > > > >>If you are doing RAID1, then in your grub.conf file entry: > >> > >>kernel /vmlinuz-2.4.22-1.2097.nptl ro root=/dev/md1 > >>initrd /initrd-2.4.22-1.2097.nptl.img > >> > >>The key parameter is passing root=/dev/md1 (or whatever your RAID device > >>configuration is for the root partition of the RAIDed disks). I use RAID > >>1 with 2 hard disks, and mirror /boot and /, and never had a problem I > >>couldn't fix. Sometimes it just takes a little experimentation and try, > >>try again. > >> > >>Bob > >> > >> > >> > >>Globe Trotter wrote: > >> > >>>OK, I decided to give installing Fedora Core Test3 a try on my Dell > >> > >>Dimension > >> > >>>650 Dual HDD, Dual Intel Processor and have had several several > frustrating > >>>hours. I am in need of help! > >>> > >>>First problem: I have RAID on the system. Installing with Grub meant a > >> > >>blinking > >> > >>>light after grub stage 2 and precious little more. So I took off RAID > >>>completely, with not much difference in results. Except that sometimes I > >> > >>can > >> > >>>hit the escape button and then the graphical screen for booting in does > >> > >>show > >> > >>>up. I have still been unable to reproduce this reliably enough to find a > >>>pattern in this madness. It works sometimes, but then sometimes not. Can > >>>someone please help me out here? > >>> > >>>While installing, I was offered the choice of creating a boot diskette. > >> > >>When I > >> > >>>happily lapped up the opportunity, I was told that my kernels were far too > >> > >>big > >> > >>>to fit in a floppy. An option to write to a CD or several diskettes would > >> > >>be > >> > >>>really great here! > >>> > >>>Also, is it possible to get into interactive startup? I have tried fixing > >> > >>my > >> > >>>finger on "i" to no avail. Of course, the more pressing problem currently > >> > >>is > >> > >>>how to get a reliable boot into the machine. > >>> > >>>Finally, and this is very important, because I want to bring back RAID on > >> > >>my > >> > >>>system: how do I install another bootloader? I am somewhat of a newbie but > >> > >>an > >> > >>>adventurous (perhaps foolish) one at that, so could you please tell me > what > >> > >>I > >> > >>>have to do to bring up LILO boot as an option. Assuming of course, I can > >> > >>get > >> > >>>into the system the next time I reboot (right now it is blinking grubbily > >> > >>at me > >> > >>>and refusing my esc carrot). > >>> > >>>I understand that the grub coalition may come at me for throwing a spanner > >> > >>into > >> > >>>their notions of enforced choice, but here I am, having read and tried all > >> > >>the > >> > >>>posts on GRUB and RAID and whatnot but still stuck. I prefer the look of > >> > >>GRUB > >> > >>>but am happier with a grubbier-looking LILO which works for me.... > >>> > >>>Thanks and best wishes! > >>> > >>> > >>>__________________________________ > >>>Do you Yahoo!? > >>>The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search > >>>http://shopping.yahoo.com > >>> > >>> > >>>-- > >>>fedora-test-list mailing list > >>>fedora-test-list at redhat.com > >>>http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > >>> > >>> > >> > >>-- > >>Bob Cochran > >>Greenbelt, Maryland, USA > >>http://greenbeltcomputer.biz/ > >> > >> > >> > >>-- > >>fedora-test-list mailing list > >>fedora-test-list at redhat.com > >>http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search > > http://shopping.yahoo.com > > > > > > -- > > fedora-test-list mailing list > > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > > > > > -- > Bob Cochran > Greenbelt, Maryland, USA > http://greenbeltcomputer.biz/ > > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From ramoutar at rogers.com Thu Oct 23 03:17:22 2003 From: ramoutar at rogers.com (trevor ramoutar) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 23:17:22 -0400 Subject: Network card problem In-Reply-To: <1066575644.2629.20.camel@node10a62.a2000.nl> References: <000001c39531$7ed28d90$6401a8c0@8j8h5dc15dlxcci> <1066575644.2629.20.camel@node10a62.a2000.nl> Message-ID: <3F974842.1090202@rogers.com> Sorry about the delay...I just got Fedora re-installed... My resolve.conf file is empty...that's bad isn't it? Here's my /etc/modules.conf file alias eth0 3c59x alias usb-controller usb-uhci alias sound-slot-0 emu10k1 post-install sound-slot-0 /bin/aumix-minimal -f /etc/.aumixrc -L >/dev/null 2>&1 || : pre-remove sound-slot-0 /bin/aumix-minimal -f /etc/.aumixrc -S >/dev/null 2>&1 || : Tino Meinen wrote: >Could you also please send your /etc/modules.conf and /etc/resolv.conf > >Thanks >Tino > >Op za 18-10-2003, om 06:37 schreef Trevor Ramoutar: > > >>No problemo. >> >>Here's the output of ifconfig: >> >>eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:60:08:CE:ED:A0 >> UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 >> RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 >> TX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:1 carrier:1 >> collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000 >> RX bytes:0 (0.0 b) TX bytes:0 (0.0 b) >> Interrupt:11 Base address:0xdc00 >> >>lo Link encap:Local Loopback >> inet addr:127.0.0.1 Mask:255.0.0.0 >> UP LOOPBACK RUNNING MTU:16436 Metric:1 >> RX packets:774 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 >> TX packets:774 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 >> collisions:0 txqueuelen:0 >> RX bytes:390002 (380.8 Kb) TX bytes:390002 (380.8 Kb) >> >>Here's the contents of ifcfg-eth0: >> >># Please read /usr/share/doc/initscripts-*/sysconfig.txt >># for the documentation of these parameters. >>ONBOOT=yes >>USERCTL=no >>PEERDNS=yes >>TYPE=Ethernet >>DEVICE=eth0 >>HWADDR=00:60:08:ce:ed:a0 >>BOOTPROTO=dhcp >> >> > > > >-- >fedora-test-list mailing list >fedora-test-list at redhat.com >http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > > From notting at redhat.com Thu Oct 23 03:34:33 2003 From: notting at redhat.com (Bill Nottingham) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 23:34:33 -0400 Subject: rawhide update Message-ID: <20031022233431.B23502@devserv.devel.redhat.com> rawhide is still unavailable. We apologize for the inconvenience, the sync/shuffle of rawhide is taking a little longer than we expected. We hope to have it available again early tomorrow EDT (2003-10-23). The new structure is: top level directory | `|-> SRPMS -- source packages |-> headers -- headers for use by yum |-> i386 | |----> Fedora | | |----> RPMS -- binary packages | | `----> base -- information used by the installler | |----> debug -- debuginfo RPMs | |----> images -- boot and ramdisk images | `----> isolinux/dosutils/etc -- other directories as needed per arch ... repeat i386 structure for ia64, ppc, ppc64, s390, s390x, and x86_64 Total size is now about 26GB (debuginfo can be large). If you're mirroring rawhide, running the attached script or something similar before syncing will significantly reduce the bandwidth you'll need. (Warning, written in one minute, not responsible for it eating your computer, etc. ) Thanks, Bill -------------- next part -------------- #!/bin/bash if [ -z "$1" ]; then echo "usage: pre-sync " exit 1 fi cd $1 && { mv SRPMS/SRPMS/* SRPMS for dir in * ; do [ -d "$dir/RedHat" ] && mv $dir/RedHat $dir/Fedora done } From cochranb at speakeasy.net Thu Oct 23 03:35:22 2003 From: cochranb at speakeasy.net (Robert L Cochran) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 23:35:22 -0400 Subject: problems using grub In-Reply-To: <20031023031634.1771.qmail@web40301.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20031023031634.1771.qmail@web40301.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3F974C7A.1070408@speakeasy.net> All operating systems are complex. They have to be. No matter what the project is, you will end up needing to learn more operating system detais than you expect. Reading the documentation can be a fair amount of work but there is a mass of good documentation out there, it is free, the quality is very high and a good read of the right HOWTO can solve a lot of small problems. I've spent hours reading documentation and wished I've done a better job by re-reading a lot of it! There is a HOWTO on Lilo as well, if memory serves, and there are magazine articles you can read. Bob Well I think the Radeon FireGL cards are very ancient. Globe Trotter wrote: > Thanks a lot for the detailed help! > > I will try as you suggest tomorrow. When i mentioned that I took off RAID from > the system, I meant that I disabled it using the BIOS. > > No, I have not read a formal grub tutorial. Thanks for the suggestion, but > surely this should not be so difficult if we want people to get into Linux and > away from OS's like Windoze? > > As I have said, I am a newcomer - I am not sure I am very interested in the > precise details of a system -- I just want something that will be fast and > allow me to do my computation-intensive work efficiently. The graphics card > (ATI Radeon R300 NG FireGL X1) would not provide good resolution (1600x1200) > and so i decided to try Fedora out. I did get a higher resolution after > manually installing the driver, but it really messed up some things (such as > acroread). (Of course, I get 1080xwhatever resolution with Fedora, so I am not > sure it is even worth the effort. Actually, I thought I would try Fedora out > after the post on the ATI Radeon cards in order to contribute to the > testing....) > > Btw, I did install LILO. But am clueless as to how to get it to work....Maybe I > will try out the google search you recommend. > > Thanks for your help. I will look into it, and post. Unless I decide to go back > to RH9 tonight.... > > Thanks! > > > > --- Robert L Cochran wrote: > >>If you post the text of your /boot/grub/grub.conf, that would help a >>lot. Also post the output of 'df -h' You can get all this information >>simply and quickly by: >> >>1. Make sure your CD drive is the first boot device -- go into BIOS to >>make sure >>2. Put Fedora CD #1 in the CD drive >>3. Reboot computer; at the boot: prompt enter 'linux rescue' >>4. After your system has been mounted enter 'chroot /mnt/sysimage' >>5. Mount a floppy disk >>6. 'df -h > /mnt/floppy/df.txt' >>7. 'cp -a /boot/grub/grub.conf /mnt/floppy' >>8. 'umount /mnt/floppy', then remove the floppy. >>9. 'exit' >>10. 'exit' >> >>Have you actually read a grub tutorial and learned how to make a Grub >>boot disk and reinstall Grub itself? Hint: try the IBM DeveloperWorks >>tutorial on Grub. :-) >> >>I do not know how you "took off RAID" on your system. Are you using >>software RAID? Just how did you disable RAID? >> >>My suggestion is to read the RAID HOWTOs that are on >>http://www.tldp.org/ (The Linux Documentation Project), and try to >>troubleshoot your RAID problem. Sometimes it can take a while to clearly >>understand how devices work with software RAID, if that is what you are >>using, but once you do, it is all a snap and the problem goes away with >>the corrected config files. >> >>I suppose you could find Lilo from somewhere, do a Google search for it. >>But installing it will be tough to do and you will face the same issues >>with RAID. What is another bootloader going to do for you? If you messed >>up your RAID configuration in a panic, a different bootloader is not >>going to be a magic cure. >> >>Bob >> >> >> >> >>Globe Trotter wrote: >> >>>Thanks a lot! But my problem seems to exist even when I have disabled the >> >>raid >> >>>device. Any ideas as to how I can get a new bootloader? >>> >>>Thanks again and best wishes! >>> >>> >>>--- Robert L Cochran wrote: >>> >>> >>>>If you are doing RAID1, then in your grub.conf file entry: >>>> >>>>kernel /vmlinuz-2.4.22-1.2097.nptl ro root=/dev/md1 >>>>initrd /initrd-2.4.22-1.2097.nptl.img >>>> >>>>The key parameter is passing root=/dev/md1 (or whatever your RAID device >>>>configuration is for the root partition of the RAIDed disks). I use RAID >>>>1 with 2 hard disks, and mirror /boot and /, and never had a problem I >>>>couldn't fix. Sometimes it just takes a little experimentation and try, >>>>try again. >>>> >>>>Bob >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>Globe Trotter wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>>OK, I decided to give installing Fedora Core Test3 a try on my Dell >>>> >>>>Dimension >>>> >>>> >>>>>650 Dual HDD, Dual Intel Processor and have had several several >> >>frustrating >> >>>>>hours. I am in need of help! >>>>> >>>>>First problem: I have RAID on the system. Installing with Grub meant a >>>> >>>>blinking >>>> >>>> >>>>>light after grub stage 2 and precious little more. So I took off RAID >>>>>completely, with not much difference in results. Except that sometimes I >>>> >>>>can >>>> >>>> >>>>>hit the escape button and then the graphical screen for booting in does >>>> >>>>show >>>> >>>> >>>>>up. I have still been unable to reproduce this reliably enough to find a >>>>>pattern in this madness. It works sometimes, but then sometimes not. Can >>>>>someone please help me out here? >>>>> >>>>>While installing, I was offered the choice of creating a boot diskette. >>>> >>>>When I >>>> >>>> >>>>>happily lapped up the opportunity, I was told that my kernels were far too >>>> >>>>big >>>> >>>> >>>>>to fit in a floppy. An option to write to a CD or several diskettes would >>>> >>>>be >>>> >>>> >>>>>really great here! >>>>> >>>>>Also, is it possible to get into interactive startup? I have tried fixing >>>> >>>>my >>>> >>>> >>>>>finger on "i" to no avail. Of course, the more pressing problem currently >>>> >>>>is >>>> >>>> >>>>>how to get a reliable boot into the machine. >>>>> >>>>>Finally, and this is very important, because I want to bring back RAID on >>>> >>>>my >>>> >>>> >>>>>system: how do I install another bootloader? I am somewhat of a newbie but >>>> >>>>an >>>> >>>> >>>>>adventurous (perhaps foolish) one at that, so could you please tell me >> >>what >> >>>>I >>>> >>>> >>>>>have to do to bring up LILO boot as an option. Assuming of course, I can >>>> >>>>get >>>> >>>> >>>>>into the system the next time I reboot (right now it is blinking grubbily >>>> >>>>at me >>>> >>>> >>>>>and refusing my esc carrot). >>>>> >>>>>I understand that the grub coalition may come at me for throwing a spanner >>>> >>>>into >>>> >>>> >>>>>their notions of enforced choice, but here I am, having read and tried all >>>> >>>>the >>>> >>>> >>>>>posts on GRUB and RAID and whatnot but still stuck. I prefer the look of >>>> >>>>GRUB >>>> >>>> >>>>>but am happier with a grubbier-looking LILO which works for me.... >>>>> >>>>>Thanks and best wishes! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>__________________________________ >>>>>Do you Yahoo!? >>>>>The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search >>>>>http://shopping.yahoo.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>-- >>>>>fedora-test-list mailing list >>>>>fedora-test-list at redhat.com >>>>>http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>-- >>>>Bob Cochran >>>>Greenbelt, Maryland, USA >>>>http://greenbeltcomputer.biz/ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>-- >>>>fedora-test-list mailing list >>>>fedora-test-list at redhat.com >>>>http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list >>> >>> >>> >>>__________________________________ >>>Do you Yahoo!? >>>The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search >>>http://shopping.yahoo.com >>> >>> >>>-- >>>fedora-test-list mailing list >>>fedora-test-list at redhat.com >>>http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list >>> >>> >> >>-- >>Bob Cochran >>Greenbelt, Maryland, USA >>http://greenbeltcomputer.biz/ >> >> >> >>-- >>fedora-test-list mailing list >>fedora-test-list at redhat.com >>http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search > http://shopping.yahoo.com > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > -- Bob Cochran Greenbelt, Maryland, USA http://greenbeltcomputer.biz/ From peterr at opensystems.net.au Thu Oct 23 03:41:17 2003 From: peterr at opensystems.net.au (Peter Robinson) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 11:41:17 +0800 Subject: Newer ATI Radeon, ATI FireGL, and Nvidia GeForce/Quadro hardwaresupport Message-ID: <001701c39917$944b3480$c869fea9@pbr> > exclusive to Fedora Core test 3 and later. Also, this video > hardware support will also be released as an update for Red Hat > Linux 9 in the near future, as: > > XFree86-4.3.0-2.90.$RAWHIDE_RELEASE_NUMBER > Yay, any chance of getting the nvidia gpl agp nforce drivers as part of an updated kernel package that's released at the same time? The 2.4.20 kernel that comes with 9 just missed out on the driver for this (I think it was included with the 2.4.21 kernel) so my Radeon 9200 Pro has been running without agp accel and with a ChipId entry to get it working. The new xfree package will solve half the problem and I'm sure I'm not the only person with a nforce board and I wouldn't have thought they would be that invasive or effect anything else in the kernel. Lspci entry FYI (in the list below as far as I can tell :-) 03:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc: Unknown device 5961 (rev 01) Thanks and regards Peter From gkarabin at pobox.com Thu Oct 23 03:40:49 2003 From: gkarabin at pobox.com (George J Karabin) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 20:40:49 -0700 Subject: rawhide update In-Reply-To: <20031022233431.B23502@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <20031022233431.B23502@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1066880449.9274.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2003-10-22 at 20:34, Bill Nottingham wrote: > | |----> debug -- debuginfo RPMs Sweet! Let the sensible backtraces begin! - George From janina at rednote.net Thu Oct 23 03:44:20 2003 From: janina at rednote.net (Janina Sajka) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 23:44:20 -0400 Subject: Speakup in kernel In-Reply-To: <1066874720.3609.2.camel@binkley> References: <20031020221535.GO15678@rednote.net> <20031021103637.A32367@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <20031021153719.GK9683@rednote.net> <20031021133901.A6152@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <20031021193429.GK14973@rednote.net> <20031021195509.GM14973@rednote.net> <1066766968.7859.118.camel@binkley> <20031023015926.GF23591@rednote.net> <1066874720.3609.2.camel@binkley> Message-ID: <20031023034420.GK23591@rednote.net> seth vidal writes: > From: seth vidal > > On Wed, 2003-10-22 at 21:59, Janina Sajka wrote: > > You can't use Speakup to take the exams, and Red Hat has upset several > > folks with their policies regarding access to RHCE materials. > > > > The ADA wouldn't apply to software. But, it does apply to programs like > > RHCE. > > That's fine - but the RHCE exams are something to take up with red hat > legal - not this list. Especially not this list. Agreed. It was only there to illustrate that there is still room for improvement in Red Hat's accessibility policies. I blew it by leaving the 'H' out. But, I hope it won't be RH legal that we have to take it up with. That would be a loss to software development big time. > > -sv > > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list -- Janina Sajka Email: janina at rednote.net Phone: (202) 408-8175 Director, Technology Research and Development American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) http://www.afb.org Chair, Accessibility Work Group Free Standards Group http://accessibility.freestandards.org From warren at togami.com Thu Oct 23 03:47:02 2003 From: warren at togami.com (Warren Togami) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 17:47:02 -1000 Subject: Radeon 9200 Attempt to free NULL pointer Message-ID: <3F974F36.1040801@togami.com> XFree86-4.3.0-40 kernel-2.4.22-1.2097.nptl (athlon) Athlon64 + MSI Neo Fedora Core 0.95 (32bit) X seems to work fine with this video card, with full 3D DRI acceleration using the fully open source drivers included in Mike's excellent packages. However every time I restart X these messages appear in dmesg: [drm:radeon_ioremapfree:mappings] *ERROR* Excess frees: 3 frees, 2 allocs [drm:radeon_ioremapfree:mappings] *ERROR* Attempt to free NULL pointer [drm:radeon_ioremapfree:mappings] *ERROR* Excess frees: 4 frees, 2 allocs Should I worry about this? Bugzilla? Thanks, Warren Togami warren at togami.com From ramoutar at rogers.com Wed Oct 22 23:22:41 2003 From: ramoutar at rogers.com (trevor ramoutar) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 19:22:41 -0400 Subject: Network card problem In-Reply-To: <1066575644.2629.20.camel@node10a62.a2000.nl> References: <000001c39531$7ed28d90$6401a8c0@8j8h5dc15dlxcci> <1066575644.2629.20.camel@node10a62.a2000.nl> Message-ID: <3F971141.1030207@rogers.com> Sorry about the delay...I just got Fedora re-installed... My resolve.conf file is empty...that's bad isn't it? Here's my /etc/modules.conf file alias eth0 3c59x alias usb-controller usb-uhci alias sound-slot-0 emu10k1 post-install sound-slot-0 /bin/aumix-minimal -f /etc/.aumixrc -L >/dev/null 2>&1 || : pre-remove sound-slot-0 /bin/aumix-minimal -f /etc/.aumixrc -S >/dev/null 2>&1 || : Tino Meinen wrote: >Could you also please send your /etc/modules.conf and /etc/resolv.conf > >Thanks >Tino > >Op za 18-10-2003, om 06:37 schreef Trevor Ramoutar: > > >>No problemo. >> >>Here's the output of ifconfig: >> >>eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:60:08:CE:ED:A0 >> UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 >> RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 >> TX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:1 carrier:1 >> collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000 >> RX bytes:0 (0.0 b) TX bytes:0 (0.0 b) >> Interrupt:11 Base address:0xdc00 >> >>lo Link encap:Local Loopback >> inet addr:127.0.0.1 Mask:255.0.0.0 >> UP LOOPBACK RUNNING MTU:16436 Metric:1 >> RX packets:774 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 >> TX packets:774 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 >> collisions:0 txqueuelen:0 >> RX bytes:390002 (380.8 Kb) TX bytes:390002 (380.8 Kb) >> >>Here's the contents of ifcfg-eth0: >> >># Please read /usr/share/doc/initscripts-*/sysconfig.txt >># for the documentation of these parameters. >>ONBOOT=yes >>USERCTL=no >>PEERDNS=yes >>TYPE=Ethernet >>DEVICE=eth0 >>HWADDR=00:60:08:ce:ed:a0 >>BOOTPROTO=dhcp >> >> > > > >-- >fedora-test-list mailing list >fedora-test-list at redhat.com >http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > > From mharris at redhat.com Thu Oct 23 04:05:18 2003 From: mharris at redhat.com (Mike A. Harris) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 00:05:18 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Radeon 9200 Attempt to free NULL pointer In-Reply-To: <3F974F36.1040801@togami.com> References: <3F974F36.1040801@togami.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 22 Oct 2003, Warren Togami wrote: >Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 17:47:02 -1000 >From: Warren Togami >To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com, mharris at redhat.com >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed >Subject: Radeon 9200 Attempt to free NULL pointer > >XFree86-4.3.0-40 >kernel-2.4.22-1.2097.nptl (athlon) >Athlon64 + MSI Neo >Fedora Core 0.95 (32bit) > >X seems to work fine with this video card, with full 3D DRI acceleration >using the fully open source drivers included in Mike's excellent >packages. However every time I restart X these messages appear in dmesg: > >[drm:radeon_ioremapfree:mappings] *ERROR* Excess frees: 3 frees, 2 allocs >[drm:radeon_ioremapfree:mappings] *ERROR* Attempt to free NULL pointer >[drm:radeon_ioremapfree:mappings] *ERROR* Excess frees: 4 frees, 2 allocs > >Should I worry about this? Bugzilla? Bugzilla, include X server config file, log file, and /var/log/messages. CC davej at redhat.com also. Give steps to reproduce, what software (if any) was ran to produce the problems, etc. It appears that Radeon DRM has a new bug in it somehow. -- Mike A. Harris ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris OS Systems Engineer - XFree86 maintainer - Red Hat From barryn at pobox.com Thu Oct 23 05:33:17 2003 From: barryn at pobox.com (Barry K. Nathan) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 22:33:17 -0700 Subject: rawhide update In-Reply-To: <20031022233431.B23502@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <20031022233431.B23502@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20031023053317.GH10427@ip68-4-255-84.oc.oc.cox.net> On Wed, Oct 22, 2003 at 11:34:33PM -0400, Bill Nottingham wrote: > The new structure is: [snip] > ... repeat i386 structure for ia64, ppc, ppc64, s390, s390x, and x86_64 ...what about alpha? sparc? I just noticed the packages for those archs haven't been updated in months, but are they being blown away altogether? -Barry K. Nathan From itsme_410 at yahoo.com Thu Oct 23 05:39:41 2003 From: itsme_410 at yahoo.com (Globe Trotter) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 22:39:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: problems using grub In-Reply-To: <3F974C7A.1070408@speakeasy.net> Message-ID: <20031023053941.22108.qmail@web40308.mail.yahoo.com> --- Robert L Cochran wrote: > All operating systems are complex. They have to be. No matter what the > project is, you will end up needing to learn more operating system > detais than you expect. I agree. I just don't think that it helps by making little things unnecessarily obscure. That is all I am trying to say. > > Reading the documentation can be a fair amount of work but there is a > mass of good documentation out there, it is free, the quality is very > high and a good read of the right HOWTO can solve a lot of small > problems. I've spent hours reading documentation and wished I've done a > better job by re-reading a lot of it! > > There is a HOWTO on Lilo as well, if memory serves, and there are > magazine articles you can read. > > Bob > > > Well I think the Radeon FireGL cards are very ancient. > > Globe Trotter wrote: > > > Thanks a lot for the detailed help! > > > > I will try as you suggest tomorrow. When i mentioned that I took off RAID > from > > the system, I meant that I disabled it using the BIOS. > > > > No, I have not read a formal grub tutorial. Thanks for the suggestion, but > > surely this should not be so difficult if we want people to get into Linux > and > > away from OS's like Windoze? > > > > As I have said, I am a newcomer - I am not sure I am very interested in the > > precise details of a system -- I just want something that will be fast and > > allow me to do my computation-intensive work efficiently. The graphics card > > (ATI Radeon R300 NG FireGL X1) would not provide good resolution > (1600x1200) > > and so i decided to try Fedora out. I did get a higher resolution after > > manually installing the driver, but it really messed up some things (such > as > > acroread). (Of course, I get 1080xwhatever resolution with Fedora, so I am > not > > sure it is even worth the effort. Actually, I thought I would try Fedora > out > > after the post on the ATI Radeon cards in order to contribute to the > > testing....) > > > > Btw, I did install LILO. But am clueless as to how to get it to > work....Maybe I > > will try out the google search you recommend. > > > > Thanks for your help. I will look into it, and post. Unless I decide to go > back > > to RH9 tonight.... > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > > > --- Robert L Cochran wrote: > > > >>If you post the text of your /boot/grub/grub.conf, that would help a > >>lot. Also post the output of 'df -h' You can get all this information > >>simply and quickly by: > >> > >>1. Make sure your CD drive is the first boot device -- go into BIOS to > >>make sure > >>2. Put Fedora CD #1 in the CD drive > >>3. Reboot computer; at the boot: prompt enter 'linux rescue' > >>4. After your system has been mounted enter 'chroot /mnt/sysimage' > >>5. Mount a floppy disk > >>6. 'df -h > /mnt/floppy/df.txt' > >>7. 'cp -a /boot/grub/grub.conf /mnt/floppy' > >>8. 'umount /mnt/floppy', then remove the floppy. > >>9. 'exit' > >>10. 'exit' > >> > >>Have you actually read a grub tutorial and learned how to make a Grub > >>boot disk and reinstall Grub itself? Hint: try the IBM DeveloperWorks > >>tutorial on Grub. :-) > >> > >>I do not know how you "took off RAID" on your system. Are you using > >>software RAID? Just how did you disable RAID? > >> > >>My suggestion is to read the RAID HOWTOs that are on > >>http://www.tldp.org/ (The Linux Documentation Project), and try to > >>troubleshoot your RAID problem. Sometimes it can take a while to clearly > >>understand how devices work with software RAID, if that is what you are > >>using, but once you do, it is all a snap and the problem goes away with > >>the corrected config files. > >> > >>I suppose you could find Lilo from somewhere, do a Google search for it. > >>But installing it will be tough to do and you will face the same issues > >>with RAID. What is another bootloader going to do for you? If you messed > >>up your RAID configuration in a panic, a different bootloader is not > >>going to be a magic cure. > >> > >>Bob > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>Globe Trotter wrote: > >> > >>>Thanks a lot! But my problem seems to exist even when I have disabled the > >> > >>raid > >> > >>>device. Any ideas as to how I can get a new bootloader? > >>> > >>>Thanks again and best wishes! > >>> > >>> > >>>--- Robert L Cochran wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>>>If you are doing RAID1, then in your grub.conf file entry: > >>>> > >>>>kernel /vmlinuz-2.4.22-1.2097.nptl ro root=/dev/md1 > >>>>initrd /initrd-2.4.22-1.2097.nptl.img > >>>> > >>>>The key parameter is passing root=/dev/md1 (or whatever your RAID device > >>>>configuration is for the root partition of the RAIDed disks). I use RAID > >>>>1 with 2 hard disks, and mirror /boot and /, and never had a problem I > >>>>couldn't fix. Sometimes it just takes a little experimentation and try, > >>>>try again. > >>>> > >>>>Bob > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>Globe Trotter wrote: > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>OK, I decided to give installing Fedora Core Test3 a try on my Dell > >>>> > >>>>Dimension > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>650 Dual HDD, Dual Intel Processor and have had several several > >> > >>frustrating > >> > >>>>>hours. I am in need of help! > >>>>> > >>>>>First problem: I have RAID on the system. Installing with Grub meant a > >>>> > >>>>blinking > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>light after grub stage 2 and precious little more. So I took off RAID > >>>>>completely, with not much difference in results. Except that sometimes I > >>>> > >>>>can > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>hit the escape button and then the graphical screen for booting in does > >>>> > >>>>show > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>up. I have still been unable to reproduce this reliably enough to find a > >>>>>pattern in this madness. It works sometimes, but then sometimes not. Can > >>>>>someone please help me out here? > >>>>> > >>>>>While installing, I was offered the choice of creating a boot diskette. > >>>> > >>>>When I > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>happily lapped up the opportunity, I was told that my kernels were far > too > >>>> > >>>>big > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>to fit in a floppy. An option to write to a CD or several diskettes > would > >>>> > >>>>be > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>really great here! > >>>>> > >>>>>Also, is it possible to get into interactive startup? I have tried > fixing > >>>> > >>>>my > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>finger on "i" to no avail. Of course, the more pressing problem > currently > >>>> > >>>>is > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>how to get a reliable boot into the machine. > >>>>> > >>>>>Finally, and this is very important, because I want to bring back RAID > on > >>>> > >>>>my > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>system: how do I install another bootloader? I am somewhat of a newbie > but > >>>> > >>>>an > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>adventurous (perhaps foolish) one at that, so could you please tell me > >> > >>what > >> > >>>>I > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>have to do to bring up LILO boot as an option. Assuming of course, I can > >>>> > >>>>get > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>into the system the next time I reboot (right now it is blinking > grubbily > >>>> > >>>>at me > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>and refusing my esc carrot). > >>>>> > >>>>>I understand that the grub coalition may come at me for throwing a > spanner > >>>> > >>>>into > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>their notions of enforced choice, but here I am, having read and tried > all > >>>> > >>>>the > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>posts on GRUB and RAID and whatnot but still stuck. I prefer the look of > >>>> > >>>>GRUB > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>but am happier with a grubbier-looking LILO which works for me.... > >>>>> > >>>>>Thanks and best wishes! > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>__________________________________ > >>>>>Do you Yahoo!? > >>>>>The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search > >>>>>http://shopping.yahoo.com > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>-- > >>>>>fedora-test-list mailing list > >>>>>fedora-test-list at redhat.com > >>>>>http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>>-- > >>>>Bob Cochran > >>>>Greenbelt, Maryland, USA > >>>>http://greenbeltcomputer.biz/ > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>-- > >>>>fedora-test-list mailing list > >>>>fedora-test-list at redhat.com > >>>>http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>__________________________________ > >>>Do you Yahoo!? > >>>The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search > >>>http://shopping.yahoo.com > >>> > >>> > >>>-- > >>>fedora-test-list mailing list > >>>fedora-test-list at redhat.com > >>>http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > >>> > >>> > >> > >>-- > >>Bob Cochran > >>Greenbelt, Maryland, USA > >>http://greenbeltcomputer.biz/ > >> > >> > >> > >>-- > >>fedora-test-list mailing list > >>fedora-test-list at redhat.com > >>http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search > > http://shopping.yahoo.com > > > > > > -- > > fedora-test-list mailing list > > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > > > > > -- > Bob Cochran > Greenbelt, Maryland, USA > http://greenbeltcomputer.biz/ > > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From notting at redhat.com Thu Oct 23 05:41:50 2003 From: notting at redhat.com (Bill Nottingham) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 01:41:50 -0400 Subject: rawhide update In-Reply-To: <20031023053317.GH10427@ip68-4-255-84.oc.oc.cox.net>; from barryn@pobox.com on Wed, Oct 22, 2003 at 10:33:17PM -0700 References: <20031022233431.B23502@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <20031023053317.GH10427@ip68-4-255-84.oc.oc.cox.net> Message-ID: <20031023014150.B22023@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Barry K. Nathan (barryn at pobox.com) said: > On Wed, Oct 22, 2003 at 11:34:33PM -0400, Bill Nottingham wrote: > > The new structure is: > [snip] > > ... repeat i386 structure for ia64, ppc, ppc64, s390, s390x, and x86_64 > > ...what about alpha? > sparc? > > I just noticed the packages for those archs haven't been updated in > months, Years, in some cases. > but are they being blown away altogether? Yes. If there's sufficient community uptake/contribution for those arches, they can come back. Bill From georg at georgs.org Thu Oct 23 05:42:00 2003 From: georg at georgs.org (Georg E Schneider) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 07:42:00 +0200 Subject: rawhide update In-Reply-To: <20031023053317.GH10427@ip68-4-255-84.oc.oc.cox.net> References: <20031022233431.B23502@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <20031023053317.GH10427@ip68-4-255-84.oc.oc.cox.net> Message-ID: <3F976A28.4000404@georgs.org> Barry K. Nathan schrieb: >On Wed, Oct 22, 2003 at 11:34:33PM -0400, Bill Nottingham wrote: > > >>The new structure is: >> >> >[snip] > > >> ... repeat i386 structure for ia64, ppc, ppc64, s390, s390x, and x86_64 >> >> > >...what about alpha? > sparc? > >I just noticed the packages for those archs haven't been updated in >months, but are they being blown away altogether? > >-Barry K. Nathan > > >-- >fedora-test-list mailing list >fedora-test-list at redhat.com >http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > > > I know it for sparc see: http://auroralinux.org/ Maintainer of this I think is Tom 'spot' Callaway* *tcallawa at redhat.com From itsme_410 at yahoo.com Thu Oct 23 05:46:50 2003 From: itsme_410 at yahoo.com (Globe Trotter) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 22:46:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Suggestions for a good graphics card for RH9/Fedora? In-Reply-To: <3F974C7A.1070408@speakeasy.net> Message-ID: <20031023054650.51043.qmail@web40303.mail.yahoo.com> > > Well I think the Radeon FireGL cards are very ancient. > Can I get a suggestion for a good graphics card which will work on RH9/Fedora? I have a Dell Dimension 650 Dual Processor with 2 3.06GHz Intel-4 processors and it is hooked to a Dell 2000FP LCD screen. This latter can take a resolution of 1600x1200 and it is indeed the optimal resolution. I want to be able to use this. Currently, the graphics card, as I have written, is an ATI Radeon R300 NG FireGL X1. This has been a nightmare. Though everything is three months old here, I am now pretty ready to plonk down the money and get a good graphics card for it. I am happy to pay top dollar but I don't want to get a graphics card with some feature which does not work on a Linux system (which is my definition of useless). Anyone have any suggestions? Btw, if it matters, the memory on the dual processor is 2GB-ECC. Thanks! __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From ossamak at nht.com.kw Thu Oct 23 06:20:32 2003 From: ossamak at nht.com.kw (Ossama Khayaat) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 09:20:32 +0300 Subject: Compiling NVIDIA driver for -ntpl kernel Message-ID: <1F336C4559FF244A90D52EFEABE98AD607CC6F@nimo.nhpro.kw> I was running RH9 with all it's updates on my machine. I decided to test the update to rawhide. Downloaded and installed _all_ of the packages of rawhide repository and almost everything is working fine. Anyway, when I downloaded the IA-32 NVIDIA driver, I couldn't use it. I mean, I run the NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-4496-pkg2.run and it couldn't compile the driver for me. My understanding (from the release-notes) is that this driver cannot be compiled with the -ntpl kernel, but isn't there a patch or something? - Ossama From jl.lecorre at free.fr Thu Oct 23 06:26:35 2003 From: jl.lecorre at free.fr (Le Corre Jean-Luc) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 08:26:35 +0200 Subject: Compiling NVIDIA driver for -ntpl kernel In-Reply-To: <1F336C4559FF244A90D52EFEABE98AD607CC6F@nimo.nhpro.kw> References: <1F336C4559FF244A90D52EFEABE98AD607CC6F@nimo.nhpro.kw> Message-ID: <1066890395.5136.2.camel@queyras> Try export IGNORE_CC_MISMATCH=1 before compiling Le jeu 23/10/2003 ? 08:20, Ossama Khayaat a ?crit : > I was running RH9 with all it's updates on my machine. > I decided to test the update to rawhide. > Downloaded and installed _all_ of the packages of rawhide repository and > almost everything is working fine. > Anyway, when I downloaded the IA-32 NVIDIA driver, I couldn't use it. > I mean, I run the NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-4496-pkg2.run and it couldn't > compile the driver for me. > My understanding (from the release-notes) is that this driver cannot be > compiled with the -ntpl kernel, but isn't there a patch or something? > > - Ossama > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > From mharris at redhat.com Thu Oct 23 06:42:33 2003 From: mharris at redhat.com (Mike A. Harris) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 02:42:33 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Games doesent work in Fedora test 3 In-Reply-To: <200310221503.04144.czar@czarc.net> References: <3F95769F.3080502@linuxin.dk> <3F96CC49.8050204@wanadoo.es> <200310221503.04144.czar@czarc.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 22 Oct 2003, Gene C. wrote: >> >You can do this classification, best at top: >> > >> >FireGL 8800 >> >FireGL 8700 >> >Radeon 8500 and 9100 >> >Radeon 9200 >> >Radeon 9000 >> >Radeon 7500 >> >> Radeon 7200 (original Radeon 32/64 SDR/DDR) >> >> >Radeon 7000 and VE >> >> You missed one, but other than that your list looks quite >> accurate 3D performancewise from what I've seen. ;o) > >Mike -- I currently have a Radeon 7500 which I am quite pleased with. I will >be putting together a new system and wonder if you can comment on >price/performance of the above ATI adapters .. or is it simply pick the >higher numbers. The list above is sorted from highest performance to lowest performance fairly accurately based on benchmarks I've seen on popular websites, etc. I haven't personally benchmark compared any hardware above against each other myself though, but I've no reason to disbelieve the benchmarks I've seen. You'd have to search google or something to find detailed benchmarks to back up the accuracy of the above list however. As for the price, pick your favourite online computer peripheral vendor or go to www.pricewatch.com or somewhere and compare prices I guess. Prices and availability will vary widely depending on which country you live in, which province/state, and where the purchase is coming from, etc. -- Mike A. Harris ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris OS Systems Engineer - XFree86 maintainer - Red Hat From mharris at redhat.com Thu Oct 23 06:54:08 2003 From: mharris at redhat.com (Mike A. Harris) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 02:54:08 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Games doesent work in Fedora test 3 In-Reply-To: <3F96DB11.5060800@tmsusa.com> References: <3F95769F.3080502@linuxin.dk> <3F959DAF.60305@linuxin.dk> <200310211410.02540.jkeating@j2solutions.net> <3F960C98.9060901@linuxin.dk> <1066809492.5398.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1066829680.4491.14.camel@localhost.localdomain> <3F96A1A0.6090104@tmsusa.com> <1066838009.4491.33.camel@localhost.localdomain> <3F96C7EB.107@tmsusa.com> <3F96CC49.8050204@wanadoo.es> <3F96DB11.5060800@tmsusa.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 22 Oct 2003, joe wrote: >There seems to be a HUGE step in price going from radeon 8500/9100 to >FireGL 8800 ($60-70 vs $350-400) - is there a corresponding >performance/functionality step, or would I be paying a sharply higher >price for slightly better performance? Shop around. I've seen FireGL 8800 prices as low as $125 USD on sites linked off of www.pricewatch.com. If you're seeing $350, you're shopping at the wrong store. I do not have any URLs or recommendations of any particular store or website however so you'll have to research a lower price yourself. As for the performance differences, I have not personally done any benchmarking of performance between any 2 pieces of hardware for a long time, as that doesn't aide development at all. It's more of something people do for fun, or when comparing hardware to purchase it for gaming or other tasks. I haven't purchased a video card since 1997 or so, so I haven't needed to benchmark them to find out which one is faster. ;o) >Also, I seem to remember some discussions about the danger of >buying an ATI card that was not actually "made by ATI", what is >the guideline - only buy official ATI cards, stay away from 3rd >party cards using ATI chipset? In XFree86 4.2.x era, ATI opened up their chipsets to 3rd party vendors to make the Powered By ATI cards, however the video drivers weren't prepared for the types of customizations and variations from ATI's reference hardware implementation that some 3rd party vendors made. That didn't mean that those cards were "bad" in any way, just that they might not work with the XFree86 drivers, as those drivers were developed completely on real McCoy Built by ATI hardware and never tested on any other hardware because it simply didn't exist at the time. Nowadays however the Powered by ATI hardware has been out for quite a long time, and most of the incompatibilities were due to hard coded assumptions in the driver that happened to be true on Built by ATI cards, but not necessarily true on the Powered by cards. Not surprising since the drivers were developed on the Built by hardware as mentioned above. Most if not all of those incompatibilities have been found and fixed I believe, as I haven't seen bug reports in a long time which only occur on Powered by ATI hardware. So to summarize: I believe that all Built by ATI and Powered by ATI hardware should work equally well with Red Hat Linux 9 and XFree86 4.3.0-2 or later due to the lack of bug reports that are specific to any particular brand out there. Of course I can't guarantee there wont be incompatibilities, as I only have a couple of the Powered by ATI cards, and they're PCI. So basically your chances are good that all hardware should work ok now, but if you have any doubt whatsoever, before making a decision, test the card out first if you can. Hope this helps. TTYL -- Mike A. Harris ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris OS Systems Engineer - XFree86 maintainer - Red Hat From mharris at redhat.com Thu Oct 23 07:02:01 2003 From: mharris at redhat.com (Mike A. Harris) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 03:02:01 -0400 (EDT) Subject: best video boards for xfree86 In-Reply-To: <3F96E261.6000605@wanadoo.es> References: <3F95769F.3080502@linuxin.dk> <3F959DAF.60305@linuxin.dk> <200310211410.02540.jkeating@j2solutions.net> <3F960C98.9060901@linuxin.dk> <1066809492.5398.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1066829680.4491.14.camel@localhost.localdomain> <3F96A1A0.6090104@tmsusa.com> <1066838009.4491.33.camel@localhost.localdomain> <3F96C7EB.107@tmsusa.com> <3F96CC49.8050204@wanadoo.es> <3F96E261.6000605@wanadoo.es> Message-ID: On Wed, 22 Oct 2003, Xose Vazquez Perez wrote: >FireGL 8800 >FireGL 8700 >Radeon 8500 and Radeon 9100 >Radeon 9200 >Radeon 9000 >Radeon 7500 >Radeon 7200 and Radeon 32/64 SDR/DDR >Radeon 7000 and Radeon VE > >Any board or chip with letters _LE_ means *Lower Editon* LE == "Light Edition" actually. VE == "Value Edition" The VE is more or less the 7200 with the TCL unit removed and a few other minor changes, at a lower clock speed, but with the addition of dualhead (it was the first dualhead Radeon). The original Radeon LE was made for Asian market and produced by a 3rd party company, however these boards made their way back to the North American market as well. The Radeon LE is 100% identical to a Radeon 7200 in every way chipwise (regardless of any marketing materials or other claims one finds online). The only difference between the Radeon LE and the Radeon 7200 is that it has 166Mhz memory in it just like the OEM Radeon 7200, but it is intentionally underclocked to 148Mhz or 143Mhz (I don't remember exactly), and the BIOS on the card disables the TCL unit at BIOS POST time, so that the drivers think it has no TCL support. The card autodetects as a Radeon 7200 however as it uses the same PCI ID (because it is the same chip). Further details can probably be found in a web search, however anything you read that discounts anything I've said is 100% incorrect. ;o) The other LE cards such as 7500LE, 8500LE, etc. are the same as their non-LE counterpart except at a lower clock speed of about 10-15% or so. I don't remember if they have any other changes or not, but I think only the clock speed and perhaps memory speed or type of memory was different on them. That's web searchable also. Some ATI trivia that'll hopefully be useful. ;o) -- Mike A. Harris ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris OS Systems Engineer - XFree86 maintainer - Red Hat From joe at tmsusa.com Thu Oct 23 07:06:36 2003 From: joe at tmsusa.com (Joe) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 00:06:36 -0700 Subject: Games doesent work in Fedora test 3 In-Reply-To: References: <3F95769F.3080502@linuxin.dk> <3F959DAF.60305@linuxin.dk> <200310211410.02540.jkeating@j2solutions.net> <3F960C98.9060901@linuxin.dk> <1066809492.5398.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1066829680.4491.14.camel@localhost.localdomain> <3F96A1A0.6090104@tmsusa.com> <1066838009.4491.33.camel@localhost.localdomain> <3F96C7EB.107@tmsusa.com> <3F96CC49.8050204@wanadoo.es> <3F96DB11.5060800@tmsusa.com> Message-ID: <3F977DFC.9080607@tmsusa.com> Mike A. Harris wrote: >So to summarize: I believe that all Built by ATI and Powered by >ATI hardware should work equally well with Red Hat Linux 9 and >XFree86 4.3.0-2 or later due to the lack of bug reports that are >specific to any particular brand out there. Of course I can't >guarantee there wont be incompatibilities, as I only have a >couple of the Powered by ATI cards, and they're PCI. So >basically your chances are good that all hardware should work ok >now, but if you have any doubt whatsoever, before making a >decision, test the card out first if you can. > > Wow, nice summary, good info - thanks, Joe From mharris at redhat.com Thu Oct 23 07:18:00 2003 From: mharris at redhat.com (Mike A. Harris) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 03:18:00 -0400 (EDT) Subject: PROFTPD In-Reply-To: References: <20031021051124.GB18150@prince.homelinux.org> <20031021133752.B4312@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <3F96570C.2040200@vlugnet.org> <20031022112929.A27953@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 23 Oct 2003, Res wrote: >> Because we haven't had problems with vsftpd, and it's had both >> a good stability and performance record in our use. (i.e., if >> it isn't broken, don't fix it...) > >One problem Bill, vsftpd is useless in a virtual situation where you have >multiple customers, one copy of the program and a config file for each >customer, with proftpd we do it with just 1 sole config file, not with >hundreds of them. > >Though, we do run vsftpd on our anonymous ftpd cause it doesnt have to >do anything else :) I think the general thing we're trying to get across is that we do not have the engineering resources to package and maintain 15 ftp daemons, SMTP daemons, web servers, imap daemons, etc. and also audit them, track their security flaws and major bugs and provide proper and timely updates when such flaws are found, and provide the level of support for them that would be needed for them to be in Fedora Core. We just don't have 5000 engineers here twiddling their thumbs looking for new applications with major security flaws to fix and release updates for. Everyone has different needs, and no single software package is likely to satisfy every single person's needs. That's just the way it is unfortunately. And so we look at the software that is out there, and decide which one or two packages of a given type we will ship and support based on various factors. Our choices are intended to be what we believe to be the best software for the largest audience of people out there, balancing security, reliability, stability, and features. Nonetheless, our choices are likely to have features missing that some other piece of software that exists out there has. It'll always be like that. We can't ship every piece of software that exists in the OSS world and support it. Since we can't support every piece of software out there, we have to make choices of what we will support based on various factors that are part of our own decision making process. People can certainly make suggestions of course, those are always welcome, and in fact people suggested vsftpd at one point, and eventually it made it into the distribution. Likewise for dovecot, and numerous other pieces of software. However, there is a limit to what we will put in the distribution and support. Software which is not part of the distribution but which a significantly large number of users out there are interested in having, is a prime candidate for Fedora Extras as Bill stated. The idea behind Fedora Extras, is that Red Hat will ship and support a certain set of software packages with the distribution "Fedora Core" and things that aren't accepted into the Core, but which other people want bad enough, are candidates to be considered for Fedora Extras if someone outside of Red Hat wants to maintain the packages, and is technically proficient enough to do so and meet whatever packaging standards and whatnot are decided upon. This way, people can have more of the programs they need/love/want/prefer/etc. and the burden isn't on Red Hat to hire 1000 more people to package the stuff and try to support it when the alternative software largely is duplicating the functionality of one or more existing packages in the distribution "plus one feature I need". Hope this explains things a bit more in depth from an insider viewpoint. -- Mike A. Harris ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris OS Systems Engineer - XFree86 maintainer - Red Hat From mharris at redhat.com Thu Oct 23 07:24:35 2003 From: mharris at redhat.com (Mike A. Harris) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 03:24:35 -0400 (EDT) Subject: .xinitrc and .xession not being read? In-Reply-To: <1066867736.3767.6.camel@suburbia> References: <1066833303.7705.46.camel@suburbia> <1066867736.3767.6.camel@suburbia> Message-ID: On Wed, 22 Oct 2003, Joshua Legbandt wrote: >> Red Hat Linux by default uses "xfs" for serving fonts, and the X >> server is not used for serving fonts. The "xset fp" commands >> tell the X server (not xfs) to manipulate it's fontpath and >> add/remove/refresh/etc. the X server font path only. If your X >> server is not reconfigured to allow this to work properly, by >> enabling the various font modules in the Modules section of the >> X server config file, if you try to add font paths with xset to >> the X server and those FPEs contain fonts that the X server does >> not have a module loaded to handle, then the request will be >> ignored as the X server isn't capable of doing what you've asked >> in its current configuration. > >I don't think that this is the case, as I am able to run the xset >commands after X is started and the fonts work as expected. It very much is the case. The *ONLY* way xset fp will work, is if your X server is configured to load the proper modules for the font types you're trying to add with xset. If you're trying to add truetype fonts with xset, you need: Load "freetype" If you're trying to add Type1 fonts with xset: Load "Type1" Ditto for Speedo, and other types. You need to read the X documentation to figure out what if any modules you need to load. If a module is not loaded for a font type, then the font types supported by that particular module will not be serveable by the X server at all, and xset +fp et al. on font directories that contain that font type will fail. This isn't something I threw over my shoulder in a "I think this is the way it is" sense, it is the way the X server works. Of course you're certainly free to read the various documentation and/or source code if you disagree however. ;o) TTYL -- Mike A. Harris ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris OS Systems Engineer - XFree86 maintainer - Red Hat From warren at togami.com Thu Oct 23 07:35:12 2003 From: warren at togami.com (Warren Togami) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 21:35:12 -1000 Subject: Radeon 9200 Attempt to free NULL pointer In-Reply-To: References: <3F974F36.1040801@togami.com> Message-ID: <3F9784B0.9010108@togami.com> Mike A. Harris wrote: >> >>X seems to work fine with this video card, with full 3D DRI acceleration >>using the fully open source drivers included in Mike's excellent >>packages. However every time I restart X these messages appear in dmesg: >> >>[drm:radeon_ioremapfree:mappings] *ERROR* Excess frees: 3 frees, 2 allocs >>[drm:radeon_ioremapfree:mappings] *ERROR* Attempt to free NULL pointer >>[drm:radeon_ioremapfree:mappings] *ERROR* Excess frees: 4 frees, 2 allocs >> >>Should I worry about this? Bugzilla? > > > Bugzilla, include X server config file, log file, and > /var/log/messages. CC davej at redhat.com also. Give steps to > reproduce, what software (if any) was ran to produce the > problems, etc. > > It appears that Radeon DRM has a new bug in it somehow. > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=107805 Filed. Warren From pauln at truemesh.com Thu Oct 23 07:54:33 2003 From: pauln at truemesh.com (Paul Nasrat) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 08:54:33 +0100 Subject: rawhide update In-Reply-To: <20031022233431.B23502@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <20031022233431.B23502@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20031023075431.GE24349@shitake.truemesh.com> On Wed, Oct 22, 2003 at 11:34:33PM -0400, Bill Nottingham wrote: > rawhide is still unavailable. Thanks for the update - a few hopefully quick questions: > The new structure is: > `|-> SRPMS -- source packages Excellent I think that up2date --get-source will work for that until header.src.info support gets released. > |-> headers -- headers for use by yum > |-> i386 > | |----> Fedora > | | |----> RPMS -- binary packages > | | `----> base -- information used by the installler > | |----> debug -- debuginfo RPMs Will this mean that there will be yum headers for debuginfo packages? Would this be in the same header file for packages or would it be a separate yum target? Paul From pmatilai at welho.com Thu Oct 23 08:13:14 2003 From: pmatilai at welho.com (Panu Matilainen) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 11:13:14 +0300 Subject: video card: comments please? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1066896794.3f978d9a8e02c@webmail.welho.com> Quoting "Mike A. Harris" : > On Wed, 22 Oct 2003, Noah Silva [Mailing list] wrote: > > >> > MSI GFX FX5200-TD128 AGP8X > >> > http://www.infocomputer.ca/Storefront/Item.asp?ItemID=1848 > >> > > >> > Opinions, comments, please? > >> > >> I'm considering to buy a new graphics card, too. The MSI GFX is based on > >> a nvidea chip. Im read a lot about problems with nvidea drivers. May be > >> better to buy a ATI controller or a Matrox? > > > >The difference between an ATI and an NVIDIA is: > >If you install linux out of the box, using open source drivers, most > >Radeon cards are supported in 3D mode. > > Correct. Radeon 9100 and older are 3D supported. Newer cards > that have support at all, are 2D supported only. But even with 3D-supported cards there can be a huge performance difference vs ATI binary drivers. I've Radeon 9100 and while some 3D games play with decent/good fps there are others that absolutely *crawl* with the open source driver. For example FlightGear is totally unplayable with the OS driver (as of RHL 9, haven't tried FC yet on that box) but flies (no pun intended :) with ATI binary driver. Of course it's because some 3D bits are software-only in the OS driver but I had no idea the difference could be *so* dramatic for any single game/3d application. Just a datapoint, not complaining... -- - Panu - From jtlegbandt at earthlink.net Thu Oct 23 08:15:45 2003 From: jtlegbandt at earthlink.net (Joshua Legbandt) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 01:15:45 -0700 Subject: .xinitrc and .xession not being read? In-Reply-To: References: <1066833303.7705.46.camel@suburbia> <1066867736.3767.6.camel@suburbia> Message-ID: <1066896945.4465.12.camel@suburbia> On Thu, 2003-10-23 at 00:24, Mike A. Harris wrote: > On Wed, 22 Oct 2003, Joshua Legbandt wrote: > > >> Red Hat Linux by default uses "xfs" for serving fonts, and the X > >> server is not used for serving fonts. The "xset fp" commands > >> tell the X server (not xfs) to manipulate it's fontpath and > >> add/remove/refresh/etc. the X server font path only. If your X > >> server is not reconfigured to allow this to work properly, by > >> enabling the various font modules in the Modules section of the > >> X server config file, if you try to add font paths with xset to > >> the X server and those FPEs contain fonts that the X server does > >> not have a module loaded to handle, then the request will be > >> ignored as the X server isn't capable of doing what you've asked > >> in its current configuration. > > > >I don't think that this is the case, as I am able to run the xset > >commands after X is started and the fonts work as expected. > > It very much is the case. The *ONLY* way xset fp will work, is > if your X server is configured to load the proper modules for the > font types you're trying to add with xset. > > If you're trying to add truetype fonts with xset, you need: > > Load "freetype" > > If you're trying to add Type1 fonts with xset: > > Load "Type1" > > Ditto for Speedo, and other types. You need to read the X > documentation to figure out what if any modules you need to load. > If a module is not loaded for a font type, then the font types > supported by that particular module will not be serveable by the > X server at all, and xset +fp et al. on font directories that > contain that font type will fail. > > This isn't something I threw over my shoulder in a "I think this > is the way it is" sense, it is the way the X server works. Of > course you're certainly free to read the various documentation > and/or source code if you disagree however. ;o) > > TTYL I think I wasn't clear, I meant that I don't think that in my case that the modules are loaded. The fonts that I am attempting to load from my .xfonts folders are standard pcf fonts. I was under the assumption that a module was not required for bitmap fonts, but I noticed that there is a bitmap module in /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/fonts. Is this what I would load to handle bitmaps? xterm works (loads the fixed font) without this module, so I didn't think that it was required, as my fonts work after I run xset fp+ /path/to/fonts manually. I cannot claim to have any deep expertise with X, except that I've never had a problem with installing it from binary or source (I think I've just been lucky) and that I was able to get the framebuffer driver to work on my ATI Rage128 before the XFree86 driver came out (boy did that make a nice speed difference). I suppose what I really should do is either drop my fonts into my .fonts folder, or just put them into a system path and have them loaded by the font server. humbly, josh -- Joshua Legbandt From stevewa at spiritone.com Thu Oct 23 08:31:56 2003 From: stevewa at spiritone.com (Steve Ward) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 01:31:56 -0700 Subject: Radeon 9200 Attempt to free NULL pointer In-Reply-To: <20031023070212.2713.69389.Mailman@listman.back-rdu.redhat.com> References: <20031023070212.2713.69389.Mailman@listman.back-rdu.redhat.com> Message-ID: <3F9791FC.7000508@spiritone.com> FWIW, I'm seeing similar error messages from the ATI proprietary drivers on my 9700 Pro card. In fact on Arjan's 2.6 kernels I can't even run accelerated. I have to build kernels from the Linus tree to get it to work at all. I get the errors there but no oopses. From mharris at redhat.com Thu Oct 23 08:39:36 2003 From: mharris at redhat.com (Mike A. Harris) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 04:39:36 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Games doesent work in Fedora test 3 In-Reply-To: <1066868624.25815.38.camel@earth.xades.com> References: <3F95769F.3080502@linuxin.dk> <3F959DAF.60305@linuxin.dk> <200310211410.02540.jkeating@j2solutions.net> <3F960C98.9060901@linuxin.dk> <1066809492.5398.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> <3F96974A.4060801@linuxin.dk> <3F96B61D.30902@tmsusa.com> <1066868624.25815.38.camel@earth.xades.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 23 Oct 2003, nosp wrote: >> The Nvidia libGL, and the Mesa libGL explicitly conflict with >> each other. There is no way to cleanly make them coexist >> currently. >> >> I think I should make this conflict explicit in the rpm rather >> than users continuously experiencing unknown libGL problems when >> installing Nvidia's drivers. This would make it much easier for >> people using Nvidia proprietary drivers to use them with less >> troublesome and hard to diagnose conflicts. >> >> I'll investigate doing this in our next build. > >I suppose it's not as simple as letting X install without the Mesa >rpm? I'd gladly not install that if it meant I didn't have to >re-install my nvidia drivers after every Mesa upgrade from rawhide. I >must be doing something basic wrong: although the rpm doesn't seem to be >a dependency of anything, apt wants to rip X & everything that uses it >out if I try to remove the Mesa rpm: > ># rpm -q --whatrequires XFree86-Mesa-libGL >no package requires XFree86-Mesa-libGL ># apt-get remove XFree86-Mesa-libGL >Reading Package Lists... Done >[snip] >0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 257 removed and 0 not upgraded. >Need to get 0B of archives. >After unpacking 994MB disk space will be freed. >Do you want to continue? [Y/n] n[o friggin way] That just shows you're using a method that is inherently flawed/broken to try to uninstall the package. I don't recommend using apt for anything ever. Use yum, or use rpm directly. rpm -e XFree86-Mesa-libGL --nodeps Normally the --nodeps would be strongly advised against for any other command. In this case the idea is "We know we're uninstalling this package intentionally because we are installing an alternative package which provides the same functionality to the applications that require this one". Then install the Nvidia stuff. Even then I believe they destroy the XFree86 GLX module. -- Mike A. Harris ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris OS Systems Engineer - XFree86 maintainer - Red Hat From mharris at redhat.com Thu Oct 23 08:50:33 2003 From: mharris at redhat.com (Mike A. Harris) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 04:50:33 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Newer ATI Radeon, ATI FireGL, and Nvidia GeForce/Quadro hardwaresupport In-Reply-To: <001701c39917$944b3480$c869fea9@pbr> References: <001701c39917$944b3480$c869fea9@pbr> Message-ID: On Thu, 23 Oct 2003, Peter Robinson wrote: >> exclusive to Fedora Core test 3 and later. Also, this video >> hardware support will also be released as an update for Red Hat >> Linux 9 in the near future, as: >> >> XFree86-4.3.0-2.90.$RAWHIDE_RELEASE_NUMBER >> > >Yay, any chance of getting the nvidia gpl agp nforce drivers as part of an >updated kernel package that's released at the same time? You'd have to ask a kernel developer about that. Dave Jones is the Fedora kernel maintainer now, perhaps if he's reading he can comment. Otherwise you might want to post an RFE in bugzilla detailing the problem and your preferred solution. Personally though, I'm uninvolved with the kernel for the most part. >The 2.4.20 kernel that comes with 9 just missed out on the >driver for this (I think it was included with the 2.4.21 kernel) >so my Radeon 9200 Pro has been running without agp accel and >with a ChipId entry to get it working. The new xfree package >will solve half the problem and I'm sure I'm not the only person >with a nforce board and I wouldn't have thought they would be >that invasive or effect anything else in the kernel. > >Lspci entry FYI (in the list below as far as I can tell :-) > >03:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc: Unknown device 5961 >(rev 01) That's in 4.3.0. The pcitable wont autodetect it though. I might have to issue a hwdata package update for that if Bill doesn't mind. -- Mike A. Harris ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris OS Systems Engineer - XFree86 maintainer - Red Hat From ossamak at nht.com.kw Thu Oct 23 08:21:28 2003 From: ossamak at nht.com.kw (Ossama Khayaat) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 11:21:28 +0300 Subject: Compiling NVIDIA driver for -ntpl kernel Message-ID: <1F336C4559FF244A90D52EFEABE98AD607CC70@nimo.nhpro.kw> Excellent! It compiled just fine and I can now see it's working too. Thank you for the hint :) Ossama > -----Original Message----- > Subject: Re: Compiling NVIDIA driver for -ntpl kernel > > Try export IGNORE_CC_MISMATCH=1 before compiling From mharris at redhat.com Thu Oct 23 08:55:44 2003 From: mharris at redhat.com (Mike A. Harris) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 04:55:44 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Radeon 9200 Attempt to free NULL pointer In-Reply-To: <3F9791FC.7000508@spiritone.com> References: <20031023070212.2713.69389.Mailman@listman.back-rdu.redhat.com> <3F9791FC.7000508@spiritone.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 23 Oct 2003, Steve Ward wrote: >Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 01:31:56 -0700 >From: Steve Ward >To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed >List-Id: For testers of Red Hat Linux beta releases > >Subject: Re: Radeon 9200 Attempt to free NULL pointer > >FWIW, I'm seeing similar error messages from the ATI proprietary drivers >on my 9700 Pro card. In fact on Arjan's 2.6 kernels I can't even run >accelerated. I have to build kernels from the Linus tree to get it to >work at all. I get the errors there but no oopses. ATI binary drivers ship with ATI proprietary 2D driver, 3D driver, libGL, and kernel modules. None of the source code to any of that software is available to anyone but ATI. ATI has a form on their website where you download the Linux drivers with which to provide feedback on the drivers to ATI. That is probably the best place to report such problems, as ATI is the only company or people who can fix your problem. -- Mike A. Harris ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris OS Systems Engineer - XFree86 maintainer - Red Hat From teg at pvv.org Thu Oct 23 09:04:36 2003 From: teg at pvv.org (Trond Eivind =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Glomsr=F8d?=) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 11:04:36 +0200 Subject: Compiling NVIDIA driver for -ntpl kernel In-Reply-To: <1F336C4559FF244A90D52EFEABE98AD607CC6F@nimo.nhpro.kw> References: <1F336C4559FF244A90D52EFEABE98AD607CC6F@nimo.nhpro.kw> Message-ID: <1066899876.8635.1.camel@pc-32.office.scali.no> On Thu, 2003-10-23 at 08:20, Ossama Khayaat wrote: > I was running RH9 with all it's updates on my machine. > I decided to test the update to rawhide. > Downloaded and installed _all_ of the packages of rawhide repository and > almost everything is working fine. > Anyway, when I downloaded the IA-32 NVIDIA driver, I couldn't use it. > I mean, I run the NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-4496-pkg2.run and it couldn't > compile the driver for me. export CC=gcc32 is the solution for that. "export IGNORE_CC_MISMATCH=1" works too, but doesn't do it right... it will compile the module with a different compiler than what was used for the kernel. From lists at reforge.fi Thu Oct 23 09:09:50 2003 From: lists at reforge.fi (Lauri Jutila) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 12:09:50 +0300 Subject: DHCP & /etc/resolv.conf Message-ID: <1066900190.5401.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> I have DHCP servers at both home and office for quick and easy network configuration when I use a laptop. I've also installed caching name server to my laptop and it works fine, but DHCP client always regenerates /etc/resolv.conf, discarding old information, including "nameserver 127.0.0.1". Is there a way to have a permanent setting in /etc/resolv.conf and let DHCP client change the rest regarding to where I'm located? Regards, -- Lauri Jutila Chief Linux Fellow, Reforge lists at reforge.fi http://www.reforge.fi From jos at xos.nl Thu Oct 23 09:19:31 2003 From: jos at xos.nl (Jos Vos) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 11:19:31 +0200 Subject: DHCP & /etc/resolv.conf In-Reply-To: <1066900190.5401.11.camel@localhost.localdomain>; from lists@reforge.fi on Thu, Oct 23, 2003 at 12:09:50PM +0300 References: <1066900190.5401.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20031023111931.A30934@xos037.xos.nl> On Thu, Oct 23, 2003 at 12:09:50PM +0300, Lauri Jutila wrote: > I have DHCP servers at both home and office for quick and easy network > configuration when I use a laptop. I've also installed caching name > server to my laptop and it works fine, but DHCP client always > regenerates /etc/resolv.conf, discarding old information, including > "nameserver 127.0.0.1". > > Is there a way to have a permanent setting in /etc/resolv.conf and let > DHCP client change the rest regarding to where I'm located? Yes: add "PEERDNS=no" to the ifcfg-eth0 file (or whatever you use). -- -- Jos Vos -- X/OS Experts in Open Systems BV | Phone: +31 20 6938364 -- Amsterdam, The Netherlands | Fax: +31 20 6948204 From seanc at tech-access.com Thu Oct 23 09:25:41 2003 From: seanc at tech-access.com (Sean Craig) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 13:25:41 +0400 Subject: DHCP & /etc/resolv.conf In-Reply-To: <1066900190.5401.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1066900190.5401.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <3F979E95.2090709@tech-access.com> Hi Lauri, In the network configuration panel (redhat-config-network), you can select to automatically obtain DNS information from provider. Try unchecking this and see what happens. You could also try removing all write permissions from resolv.conf (#chmod -w /etc/resolv.conf). regards Sean Craig Lauri Jutila wrote: >I have DHCP servers at both home and office for quick and easy network >configuration when I use a laptop. I've also installed caching name >server to my laptop and it works fine, but DHCP client always >regenerates /etc/resolv.conf, discarding old information, including >"nameserver 127.0.0.1". > >Is there a way to have a permanent setting in /etc/resolv.conf and let >DHCP client change the rest regarding to where I'm located? > >Regards, > >-- >Lauri Jutila >Chief Linux Fellow, Reforge >lists at reforge.fi >http://www.reforge.fi > > >-- >fedora-test-list mailing list >fedora-test-list at redhat.com >http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > From seanc at tech-access.com Thu Oct 23 09:29:27 2003 From: seanc at tech-access.com (Sean Craig) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 13:29:27 +0400 Subject: Kudzu mouse detect In-Reply-To: <20031020165541.E31799@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <3F928ABA.5000004@tech-access.com> <1066579551.13416.38.camel@ripley> <20031020010255.C1267@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <3F939507.2090605@tech-access.com> <20031020165541.E31799@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <3F979F77.9020205@tech-access.com> Hi Bill, Why would X have a device open if it's not configured to use that device? Surely a well-behaved application should only use devices it's configured to use? We can't just have any app locking up any/all devices at will ..... regards Sean Craig Bill Nottingham wrote: >Sean Craig (seanc at tech-access.com) said: > > >>Why (technically) will the probe 'not work'? >> >> > >PS/2 devices have undefined and chipset-specific behavior when >opened by multiple programs simultaneously. If run under X, >there's a very good chance that X has the device open; then >the results will be unreliable, and it can disrupt the mouse >use under XFree86 as well. > >Bill > > >-- >fedora-test-list mailing list >fedora-test-list at redhat.com >http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > From mharris at redhat.com Thu Oct 23 09:27:30 2003 From: mharris at redhat.com (Mike A. Harris) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 05:27:30 -0400 (EDT) Subject: .xinitrc and .xession not being read? In-Reply-To: <1066896945.4465.12.camel@suburbia> References: <1066833303.7705.46.camel@suburbia> <1066867736.3767.6.camel@suburbia> <1066896945.4465.12.camel@suburbia> Message-ID: On Thu, 23 Oct 2003, Joshua Legbandt wrote: >> This isn't something I threw over my shoulder in a "I think this >> is the way it is" sense, it is the way the X server works. Of >> course you're certainly free to read the various documentation >> and/or source code if you disagree however. ;o) > >I think I wasn't clear, I meant that I don't think that in my case that >the modules are loaded. The fonts that I am attempting to load from my >.xfonts folders are standard pcf fonts. I was under the assumption that >a module was not required for bitmap fonts, but I noticed that there is >a bitmap module in /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/fonts. Is this what I would >load to handle bitmaps? xterm works (loads the fixed font) without this >module, so I didn't think that it was required, as my fonts work after I >run xset fp+ /path/to/fonts manually. The X server wont start at all without bitmap font support. That module, and various others that are 100% required are automatically loaded by the X server at startup regardless of wether they're in the config file or not. If you examine the X server startup log, you'll notice the very first X server module that gets loaded: (II) Module ABI versions: XFree86 ANSI C Emulation: 0.2 XFree86 Video Driver: 0.6 XFree86 XInput driver : 0.4 XFree86 Server Extension : 0.2 XFree86 Font Renderer : 0.4 (II) Loader running on linux (II) LoadModule: "bitmap" >I suppose what I really should do is either drop my fonts into >my .fonts folder, or just put them into a system path and have >them loaded by the font server. The ~/.fonts folder will be automatically used by fontconfig and fonts placed there are available to Xft based applications. xfs will not see the fonts at all however. -- Mike A. Harris ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris OS Systems Engineer - XFree86 maintainer - Red Hat From pp at ee.oulu.fi Thu Oct 23 09:36:35 2003 From: pp at ee.oulu.fi (Pekka Pietikainen) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 12:36:35 +0300 Subject: Compiling 2.6.0 In-Reply-To: <200310201945.18338.fedora@warmcat.com> References: <5.2.1.1.0.20031020113335.00a98ad0@mail.web-ster.com> <200310201945.18338.fedora@warmcat.com> Message-ID: <20031023093635.GA5717@ee.oulu.fi> On Mon, Oct 20, 2003 at 07:45:18PM +0100, Andy Green wrote: > Arjan at Redhat has been making nice 2.5/2.6 RPMs for a while. Thank you > Arjan. > > Works good for me, except I can't compile the nVidia closed source driver with > it yet, even with the minion.de advice :-/ Getting it working looks tricky. I think it _might_ work if you add __attribute__ ((regparm (2))) or so to every function declaration inside the nvidia driver. That or __attribute__ ((regparm (3))) for every kernel function the driver calls and compiling without -mregparm=3. Or recompiling the kernel rpm without -mregparm=3 Ugh... my head hurts... -- Pekka Pietikainen From pavelr at coresma.com Thu Oct 23 10:02:44 2003 From: pavelr at coresma.com (Pavel Rosenboim) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 12:02:44 +0200 Subject: Make newly installed kernel a default. Message-ID: <3F97A744.6070200@coresma.com> Hi, Whenever I install a new kernel rpm (using rpm -i) it configures grub.conf file to load an old kernel as a default. Isn't it better to set the new kernel to be a default one? Pavel. From czar at czarc.net Thu Oct 23 10:06:01 2003 From: czar at czarc.net (Gene C.) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 06:06:01 -0400 Subject: rawhide update In-Reply-To: <20031022233431.B23502@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <20031022233431.B23502@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <200310230606.01282.czar@czarc.net> On Wednesday 22 October 2003 23:34, Bill Nottingham wrote: > top level directory > > `|-> SRPMS -- source packages > |-> headers -- headers for use by yum > |-> i386 > | |----> Fedora > | | |----> RPMS -- binary packages > | | `----> base -- information used by the installler > | |----> debug -- debuginfo RPMs > | |----> images -- boot and ramdisk images > | `----> isolinux/dosutils/etc -- other directories as needed per arch > ... repeat i386 structure for ia64, ppc, ppc64, s390, s390x, and x86_64 I assume that this new structure will support src.rpm packages being handled by up2date ... is this correct? https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=107405 -- Gene From aoliva at redhat.com Thu Oct 23 10:13:51 2003 From: aoliva at redhat.com (Alexandre Oliva) Date: 23 Oct 2003 08:13:51 -0200 Subject: DHCP & /etc/resolv.conf In-Reply-To: <1066900190.5401.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1066900190.5401.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On Oct 23, 2003, Lauri Jutila wrote: > Is there a way to have a permanent setting in /etc/resolv.conf and let > DHCP client change the rest regarding to where I'm located? 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In-Reply-To: <3F97A744.6070200@coresma.com> References: <3F97A744.6070200@coresma.com> Message-ID: <20031023104133.GA16107@nonesuch.ca.shawcable.net> On Thu, Oct 23, 2003 at 12:02:44PM +0200, Pavel Rosenboim wrote: > > > Hi, > > Whenever I install a new kernel rpm (using rpm -i) it configures > grub.conf file to load an old kernel as a default. Isn't it better to > set the new kernel to be a default one? IMO and experience, no. Just in case there is something wrong with the new kernel and your box oopses it avoids the possibility that you can't get to a grub menu and you just loop into the bad kernel on a reboot. Once you have confirmed that the new kernel works then you can go into grub.conf and set the new default. -- Jack Bowling mailto: jbinpg at shaw.ca From david.balazic at uni-mb.si Thu Oct 23 11:08:32 2003 From: david.balazic at uni-mb.si (DAVID BALAZIC) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 13:08:32 +0200 Subject: supermount or equiv? Message-ID: <01L263Q2H9S2002DFX@rcum.uni-mb.si> "Noah Silva [Mailing list]" wrote : >> >> >> > Is there any support for automatically mounting a removable device, >> >> >> > e.g., cdrom, when media is inserted? > >MagicDev. Comes with redhat, turned on by deafult, and mostly works. Mostly :-) >> >> Why do you want this ? >> >So I can tell my newbie friend and he can stop using windoze. >> >> Instead of mounting on insert, I use mounitng on use. >> I use the automounter to do that. > >Kind of hard to have things like auto-run then. He did not say he wants auto-run. auto-run sux :-) >> No buggy demon running around(magicdev), wasting RAM and doing >> strange things to the hardware. It just works(TM). > >Well thi sis confusing an idea with implementation. If it doesn't work, >it should be fixed, not trashed. Ni it isn't. He asked for an implementation of an idea and I presented a good(IMHO) implementation. Why try to fix magicdev, when automount already works ? -- David Balazic E-mail : david.balazic at uni-mb.si | living in sLOVEnija home page: http://surf.to/stein -- From redhat-jc at insight.rr.com Thu Oct 23 11:32:49 2003 From: redhat-jc at insight.rr.com (Jim Cornette) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 07:32:49 -0400 Subject: Make newly installed kernel a default. In-Reply-To: <20031023104133.GA16107@nonesuch.ca.shawcable.net> References: <3F97A744.6070200@coresma.com> <20031023104133.GA16107@nonesuch.ca.shawcable.net> Message-ID: <3F97BC61.40908@insight.rr.com> Jack Bowling wrote: > On Thu, Oct 23, 2003 at 12:02:44PM +0200, Pavel Rosenboim wrote: > >> >>Hi, >> >>Whenever I install a new kernel rpm (using rpm -i) it configures >>grub.conf file to load an old kernel as a default. Isn't it better to >>set the new kernel to be a default one? > > > IMO and experience, no. Just in case there is something wrong with the > new kernel and your box oopses it avoids the possibility that you can't > get to a grub menu and you just loop into the bad kernel on a reboot. > Once you have confirmed that the new kernel works then you can go into > grub.conf and set the new default. > Running *redhat-config-boot* (if installed) lets you change the preferred kernel to boot and/or adjust the timeout settings. This is through a GUI and works great for switching desired boot kernel easily, without directly editing the grub.conf directly. Jim -- Fourth Law of Revision: It is usually impractical to worry beforehand about interferences -- if you have none, someone will make one for you. From nbecker at hns.com Thu Oct 23 11:45:46 2003 From: nbecker at hns.com (Neal D. Becker) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 07:45:46 -0400 Subject: supermount or equiv? In-Reply-To: <01L263Q2H9S2002DFX@rcum.uni-mb.si> References: <01L263Q2H9S2002DFX@rcum.uni-mb.si> Message-ID: <200310230745.46612.nbecker@hns.com> On Thursday 23 October 2003 07:08 am, DAVID BALAZIC wrote: > "Noah Silva [Mailing list]" wrote : > >> >> >> > Is there any support for automatically mounting a removable > >> >> >> > device, e.g., cdrom, when media is inserted? > > > >MagicDev. Comes with redhat, turned on by deafult, and mostly works. > > Mostly :-) > > >> >> Why do you want this ? > >> > > >> >So I can tell my newbie friend and he can stop using windoze. > >> > >> Instead of mounting on insert, I use mounitng on use. > >> I use the automounter to do that. > > > >Kind of hard to have things like auto-run then. > > He did not say he wants auto-run. > auto-run sux :-) > > >> No buggy demon running around(magicdev), wasting RAM and doing > >> strange things to the hardware. It just works(TM). > > > >Well thi sis confusing an idea with implementation. If it doesn't work, > >it should be fixed, not trashed. > > Ni it isn't. He asked for an implementation of an idea > and I presented a good(IMHO) implementation. > > Why try to fix magicdev, when automount already works ? 2 problems with automount: it's not automatically setup for users during install, so newbie users ask how to set it up, and you tell them to edit some config files. Blank stares. Next problem is, it unmounts when it feels like it. I don't think there is any simple way to unmount and eject, is that not true? From akabi at speakeasy.net Thu Oct 23 11:51:03 2003 From: akabi at speakeasy.net (ne...) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 07:51:03 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Suggestions for a good graphics card for RH9/Fedora? In-Reply-To: <20031023054650.51043.qmail@web40303.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20031023054650.51043.qmail@web40303.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Oct 22, 2003 at 22:46, Globe Trotter in a soothing rage wrote: > >> >> Well I think the Radeon FireGL cards are very ancient. >> > >Can I get a suggestion for a good graphics card which will work on RH9/Fedora? If you are not into games, a Matrox G550 should work just fine. N.Emile... -- Registered Linux User # 125653 (http://counter.li.org) Switch to: http://www.speakeasy.net/refer/190653 user to computer ration too low. 07:49:57 up 59 days, 19:24, 4 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 From chrisw01 at privatei.com Thu Oct 23 12:21:22 2003 From: chrisw01 at privatei.com (Christopher A. Williams) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 06:21:22 -0600 Subject: Compiling NVIDIA driver for -ntpl kernel In-Reply-To: <1066899876.8635.1.camel@pc-32.office.scali.no> References: <1F336C4559FF244A90D52EFEABE98AD607CC6F@nimo.nhpro.kw> <1066899876.8635.1.camel@pc-32.office.scali.no> Message-ID: <1066911682.14954.1.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> On Thu, 2003-10-23 at 03:04, Trond Eivind Glomsr?d wrote: > On Thu, 2003-10-23 at 08:20, Ossama Khayaat wrote: > > I was running RH9 with all it's updates on my machine. > > I decided to test the update to rawhide. > > Downloaded and installed _all_ of the packages of rawhide repository and > > almost everything is working fine. > > Anyway, when I downloaded the IA-32 NVIDIA driver, I couldn't use it. > > I mean, I run the NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-4496-pkg2.run and it couldn't > > compile the driver for me. > > export CC=gcc32 > > is the solution for that. "export IGNORE_CC_MISMATCH=1" works too, but > doesn't do it right... it will compile the module with a different > compiler than what was used for the kernel. Yet another solution is to run the original NVidia installer program with the parameter --add-this-kernel which will create a customized version of the installer. Then use that one to install the drivers. I've been doing this for a while and it also works like a champ. Cheers, Chris -- ==================================== "If you get to thinkin' you're a person of some influence, try orderin' someone else's dog around." --Cowboy Wisdom From nosp at xades.com Thu Oct 23 12:44:14 2003 From: nosp at xades.com (nosp) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 13:44:14 +0100 Subject: Games doesent work in Fedora test 3 In-Reply-To: References: <3F95769F.3080502@linuxin.dk> <3F959DAF.60305@linuxin.dk> <200310211410.02540.jkeating@j2solutions.net> <3F960C98.9060901@linuxin.dk> <1066809492.5398.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> <3F96974A.4060801@linuxin.dk> <3F96B61D.30902@tmsusa.com> <1066868624.25815.38.camel@earth.xades.com> Message-ID: <1066913054.25815.59.camel@earth.xades.com> On Thu, 2003-10-23 at 09:39, Mike A. Harris wrote: > On Thu, 23 Oct 2003, nosp wrote: > > >> The Nvidia libGL, and the Mesa libGL explicitly conflict with > >> each other. There is no way to cleanly make them coexist > >> currently. > >> > >> I think I should make this conflict explicit in the rpm rather > >> than users continuously experiencing unknown libGL problems when > >> installing Nvidia's drivers. This would make it much easier for > >> people using Nvidia proprietary drivers to use them with less > >> troublesome and hard to diagnose conflicts. > >> > >> I'll investigate doing this in our next build. > > > >I suppose it's not as simple as letting X install without the Mesa > >rpm? I'd gladly not install that if it meant I didn't have to > >re-install my nvidia drivers after every Mesa upgrade from rawhide. I > >must be doing something basic wrong: although the rpm doesn't seem to be > >a dependency of anything, apt wants to rip X & everything that uses it > >out if I try to remove the Mesa rpm: > > > ># rpm -q --whatrequires XFree86-Mesa-libGL > >no package requires XFree86-Mesa-libGL > ># apt-get remove XFree86-Mesa-libGL > >Reading Package Lists... Done > >[snip] > >0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 257 removed and 0 not upgraded. > >Need to get 0B of archives. > >After unpacking 994MB disk space will be freed. > >Do you want to continue? [Y/n] n[o friggin way] > > That just shows you're using a method that is inherently > flawed/broken to try to uninstall the package. I don't recommend > using apt for anything ever. Use yum, or use rpm directly. > Hmm -- I'm not sure that apt is telling me anything that rpm doesn't tell me; actually apt shows me, quicker, how big an effect my desire to remove Mesa will have. Here's what rpm tells me: --- # rpm --test -e XFree86-Mesa-libGL error: Failed dependencies: [snip] libGL.so.1 is needed by (installed) xscreensaver-4.13-1 libGL.so.1 is needed by (installed) xmms-1.2.8-2.p libGL.so.1 is needed by (installed) XFree86-libs-4.3.0-40 libGL.so.1 is needed by (installed) XFree86-tools-4.3.0-40 --- Clearly the dependency of XFree86-{libs,tools} on Mesa is the "problem." I disagree that apt is flawed/broken. But is there a solution to this? Probably more relevant in response to your next point...see below. > Normally the --nodeps would be strongly advised against for any > other command. In this case the idea is "We know we're > uninstalling this package intentionally because we are installing > an alternative package which provides the same functionality to > the applications that require this one". Yes but then apt (and, I presume, yum) will tell me I have a broken package set installed (some packages are installed that depend on a package I don't have installed). I can fix this by telling apt (prob. yum too) to pretend it has the missing Mesa rpm. I would probably have to do the same trick to make rpm itself happy. It's just inconvenient to tell all the packaging apps (rpm, apt, yum) individually that "yeah we really have Mesa even though it's not installed." I don't think any of this helps us with the original question, which was "how will Mike make the Mesa rpm explicitly conflict with the nvidia drivers." I just want to clarify that I think this effort to help smooth out this issue is very much appreciated by myself and, I imagine, other binary nvidia users. So thanks -- my musings were merely a desire to get more insight into how you would tackle this problem. The solution doesn't seem obvious to me because you have to make an rpm conflict with something that isn't installed by (an) rpm. How would you do that? Could you make the rpm conflict with a file that only the nvidia installer created? That would probably be too fragile a method, right? From don.vanco at agilysys.com Thu Oct 23 12:48:27 2003 From: don.vanco at agilysys.com (Vanco, Don) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 08:48:27 -0400 Subject: Mozilla 1.4.1 and http transfer oddities Message-ID: Don't really know that I have enough information worthy of a bugzilla entry, but I made several large file transfers yesterday via Mozilla (downloading the RHEL3 ISOs) and had some real oddities. 1) file advertised as ~103MB downloaded over 200MB 2) files listed as XXX only downloaded a portion of XXX 3) one file that looked to be correct size (they only show MB, not actual bits) failed MD5 ... in all cases the download manager showed xfer as complete ... in all cases wget got the files without issue I know that RH recommends curl or wget for these files, so I don't even know if this is somewhat expected from this..... Don From dstewart at atl.lmco.com Thu Oct 23 13:10:55 2003 From: dstewart at atl.lmco.com (Douglas Stewart) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 09:10:55 -0400 Subject: Suggestions for a good graphics card for RH9/Fedora? In-Reply-To: <20031023054650.51043.qmail@web40303.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20031023054650.51043.qmail@web40303.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3F97D35F.3080203@atl.lmco.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Globe Trotter wrote: |>Well I think the Radeon FireGL cards are very ancient. |> | | | Can I get a suggestion for a good graphics card which will work on RH9/Fedora? | I have a Dell Dimension 650 Dual Processor with 2 3.06GHz Intel-4 processors | and it is hooked to a Dell 2000FP LCD screen. This latter can take a resolution | of 1600x1200 and it is indeed the optimal resolution. I want to be able to use | this. Currently, the graphics card, as I have written, is an ATI Radeon R300 NG | FireGL X1. This has been a nightmare. Though everything is three months old | here, I am now pretty ready to plonk down the money and get a good graphics | card for it. I am happy to pay top dollar but I don't want to get a graphics | card with some feature which does not work on a Linux system (which is my | definition of useless). Anyone have any suggestions? | Btw, if it matters, the memory on the dual processor is 2GB-ECC. | | Thanks! | | | _ I have had great experience with nVidia GeForce 4 Ti's (using nVidia's nvidia module/driver). They've been really stable, they perform very well, and you can get dual-head-capable cards for real cheap. (You'll need to buy a DVI-to-VGA adapter to run two in many cases, unless that Dell 2000FP of yours has a DVI cable...). The Leadtek Winfast that I have even overclocks very nicely with nvclock (http://www.evil3d.net/products/nvclock/). I know a lot of people have expressed severe doubts about using closed-source "tainted" modules, but hey, I use the nVidia drivers and they _just work_, which is all that matters, in my book. Anyways, that's my $2/100. - -- - ---------- Doug Stewart Systems Administrator/Web Applications Developer Lockheed Martin Advanced Technology Labs Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/l9NfN50Q8DVvcvkRAnuCAJ9BSovEZHpQXmQ7GKuulr7p77JJGACfZZsI MDzJ531ECAZSNeV12HoH+jU= =JV7g -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From res at ausics.net Thu Oct 23 13:21:50 2003 From: res at ausics.net (Res) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 23:21:50 +1000 (EST) Subject: PROFTPD In-Reply-To: <3F970D74.5010807@tmsusa.com> References: <20031021051124.GB18150@prince.homelinux.org> <20031021133752.B4312@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <3F96570C.2040200@vlugnet.org> <20031022112929.A27953@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <3F970D74.5010807@tmsusa.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 22 Oct 2003, joe wrote: > >One problem Bill, vsftpd is useless in a virtual situation where you have > >multiple customers, one copy of the program and a config file for each > >customer, with proftpd we do it with just 1 sole config file, not with > >hundreds of them. > > > > > > Some folks prefer that kind of modularity - neat and clean, you don't > muck about with one huge config file, it's all separated. > > The only thing I miss about proftpd is being able to say "ftpwho" Ah yes true.... but there is an option where ps ax shows sort of like ftpwho, setproctitle_enable=yes ....but I agree ftpwho would be much better. -- Regards, Res Network Administrator Postmaster / Abusemaster / Flamemaster http://www.ausics.net Australian Hosting Services From res at ausics.net Thu Oct 23 13:22:41 2003 From: res at ausics.net (Res) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 23:22:41 +1000 (EST) Subject: PROFTPD In-Reply-To: <64780.65.40.134.44.1066864936.squirrel@65.40.134.44> References: <20031021051124.GB18150@prince.homelinux.org><20031021133752.B4312@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <3F96570C.2040200@vlugnet.org><20031022112929.A27953@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <64780.65.40.134.44.1066864936.squirrel@65.40.134.44> Message-ID: On Wed, 22 Oct 2003, William Hooper wrote: > Which I'm sure is part of the reason Bill said "It's certainly a candidate > for Fedora Extras." Or at least he can now claim it was. :-) I think Bill was talking about PureFTPd > > -- Regards, Res Network Administrator Postmaster / Abusemaster / Flamemaster http://www.ausics.net Australian Hosting Services From res at ausics.net Thu Oct 23 13:29:22 2003 From: res at ausics.net (Res) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 23:29:22 +1000 (EST) Subject: PROFTPD In-Reply-To: References: <20031021051124.GB18150@prince.homelinux.org> <20031021133752.B4312@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <3F96570C.2040200@vlugnet.org> <20031022112929.A27953@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: Mike, On Thu, 23 Oct 2003, Mike A. Harris wrote: > I think the general thing we're trying to get across is that we > do not have the engineering resources to package and maintain 15 > ftp daemons, SMTP daemons, web servers, imap daemons, etc. and > also audit them, track their security flaws and major bugs and > provide proper and timely updates when such flaws are found, and > provide the level of support for them that would be needed for > them to be in Fedora Core. We just don't have 5000 engineers > here twiddling their thumbs looking for new applications with > major security flaws to fix and release updates for. ProFTPd has always had a good security track record, RH used to include it years ago (ok i think it was only on the contrib tho), when it also included the biggest security nightmare every ftp admin has 'wu-ftpd', they dropped proftpd but kept wu-ftpd, that just made absolute no sense at all, I feel there is more to it and RH wont say (at least publicly) why :) -- Regards, Res Network Administrator Postmaster / Abusemaster / Flamemaster http://www.ausics.net Australian Hosting Services From nbecker at hns.com Thu Oct 23 13:35:40 2003 From: nbecker at hns.com (Neal D. Becker) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 09:35:40 -0400 Subject: backport up2date to RH9 - success Message-ID: <200310230935.40289.nbecker@hns.com> Just FYI, I rebuilt and installed SRPMS for up2date from rawhide on my RH9 box, so now I can run up2date from yum sources! One thing, although up2date is an excellent gui for update, it seems pretty much lacking for installing new packages. Only basic, console mode support seems available for install. You can get a list of packages that could be installed, but no info on where the packages come from, what they are for, and no gui. From david.balazic at uni-mb.si Thu Oct 23 13:39:53 2003 From: david.balazic at uni-mb.si (DAVID BALAZIC) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 15:39:53 +0200 Subject: supermount or equiv? Message-ID: <01L268X9FVXU002DFX@rcum.uni-mb.si> "Neal D. Becker" wrote : >On Thursday 23 October 2003 07:08 am, DAVID BALAZIC wrote: >> "Noah Silva [Mailing list]" wrote : >> >> >> >> > Is there any support for automatically mounting a removable >> >> >> >> > device, e.g., cdrom, when media is inserted? >> > >> >MagicDev. Comes with redhat, turned on by deafult, and mostly works. >> >> Mostly :-) >> >> >> >> Why do you want this ? >> >> > >> >> >So I can tell my newbie friend and he can stop using windoze. >> >> >> >> Instead of mounting on insert, I use mounitng on use. >> >> I use the automounter to do that. >> > >> >Kind of hard to have things like auto-run then. >> >> He did not say he wants auto-run. >> auto-run sux :-) >> >> >> No buggy demon running around(magicdev), wasting RAM and doing >> >> strange things to the hardware. It just works(TM). >> > >> >Well thi sis confusing an idea with implementation. If it doesn't work, >> >it should be fixed, not trashed. >> >> Ni it isn't. He asked for an implementation of an idea >> and I presented a good(IMHO) implementation. >> >> Why try to fix magicdev, when automount already works ? > >2 problems with automount: it's not automatically setup for users during >install, so newbie users ask how to set it up, and you tell them to edit some >config files. Blank stares. RFE ? :-) >Next problem is, it unmounts when it feels like it. It unmounts after the specified period of non-usage. > I don't think there is any simple way to unmount > and eject, is that not true? unmount : - wait for timeout or - manually umount eject : - push the eject button or - use the eject command both can be done from GUI, I guess ( I can't recall doing so lately though ) -- David Balazic E-mail : david.balazic at uni-mb.si | living in sLOVEnija home page: http://surf.to/stein -- From jeremyp at pobox.com Thu Oct 23 13:46:54 2003 From: jeremyp at pobox.com (Jeremy Portzer) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 09:46:54 -0400 Subject: Is Rawhide still offline? In-Reply-To: <3364.24.167.186.98.1066877834.squirrel@us1.planetfurry.com> References: <1066876553.14082.118.camel@tbird> <3364.24.167.186.98.1066877834.squirrel@us1.planetfurry.com> Message-ID: <1066916813.28516.1.camel@jeremy.dtcc.cc.nc.us> On Wed, 2003-10-22 at 22:57, Ricky Boone wrote: > > Also, when will a 0.95 channel be made in Fedora? I can get to the 0.94, > but it's kind of a roundabout way of fixing it... I don't think there ever will be an 0.95 channel, from what I've read here. Once rawhide is back online, use the yum rawhide repository (uncomment the relevant line in /etc/sysconfig/rhn/sources ). This would be equivalent to the 0.95 updates channel anyway. --Jeremy -- /---------------------------------------------------------------------\ | Jeremy Portzer jeremyp at pobox.com trilug.org/~jeremy | | GPG Fingerprint: 712D 77C7 AB2D 2130 989F E135 6F9F F7BC CC1A 7B92 | \---------------------------------------------------------------------/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From pboy at barkhof.uni-bremen.de Thu Oct 23 13:57:27 2003 From: pboy at barkhof.uni-bremen.de (Peter Boy) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 15:57:27 +0200 Subject: Suggestions for a good graphics card for RH9/Fedora? In-Reply-To: References: <20031023054650.51043.qmail@web40303.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1066917447.7141.6.camel@ibmLaptop.athome.de> Am Do, den 23.10.2003 schrieb ne... um 13:51: > >Can I get a suggestion for a good graphics card which will work on RH9/Fedora? > If you are not into games, a Matrox G550 should work > just fine. Yes, but the driver is a nightmare, too. It is quite slow, beta since several years (the matrox, not the xFree). If I drag a window over the screen, it's bluring because redrawing the window isn't fast enough. And there are some minor / odd issues with the dual head / xinerama configuration. Edge resistance and the mechanism to open a new window on one screen instead overlapping both screens (just don't remenber the vocabulary) doesn't work. But otherwise it's fine :-) Peter > > N.Emile... From kaboom at gatech.edu Thu Oct 23 14:03:12 2003 From: kaboom at gatech.edu (Chris Ricker) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 10:03:12 -0400 (EDT) Subject: PROFTPD In-Reply-To: References: <20031021051124.GB18150@prince.homelinux.org> <20031021133752.B4312@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <3F96570C.2040200@vlugnet.org> <20031022112929.A27953@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 23 Oct 2003, Res wrote: > ProFTPd has always had a good security track record That's true. I don't think a remote root exploit has found in it more recently than four weeks ago. ;-) later, chris From phil-ml at techworks.ie Thu Oct 23 14:20:52 2003 From: phil-ml at techworks.ie (Philip Trickett) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 15:20:52 +0100 Subject: Games doesent work in Fedora test 3 In-Reply-To: <3F96E67F.3080809@linuxin.dk> References: <3F95769F.3080502@linuxin.dk> <3F959DAF.60305@linuxin.dk> <200310211410.02540.jkeating@j2solutions.net> <3F960C98.9060901@linuxin.dk> <1066809492.5398.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1066841182.7865.41.camel@localhost.localdomain> <3F96E67F.3080809@linuxin.dk> Message-ID: <1066918852.7651.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2003-10-22 at 21:20, Bjorn Andersen wrote: > > > > > Thanks, that did it. > > Now, im a happy man :-) Yeah, See you on-line in Savage. I'm the one that keeps getting killed ;) Phil From stevewa at spiritone.com Thu Oct 23 14:32:55 2003 From: stevewa at spiritone.com (Steve Ward) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 07:32:55 -0700 Subject: Radeon 9200 Attempt to free NULL pointer Message-ID: <3F97E697.5090200@spiritone.com> I wrote: >FWIW, I'm seeing similar error messages from the ATI proprietary drivers >on my 9700 Pro card. In fact on Arjan's 2.6 kernels I can't even run >accelerated. I have to build kernels from the Linus tree to get it to >work at all. I get the errors there but no oopses. Mike Harris replied: >ATI binary drivers ship with ATI proprietary 2D driver, 3D >driver, libGL, and kernel modules. None of the source code to >any of that software is available to anyone but ATI. >ATI has a form on their website where you download the Linux >drivers with which to provide feedback on the drivers to ATI. >That is probably the best place to report such problems, as ATI >is the only company or people who can fix your problem. I understand that. I was trying to provide a data point suggesting that looking at the radeon driver in XFree may not yield the answer on the null pointer de-references. Given the press reports on the changes underway at ATI w.r.t. the FireGL team that made these drivers, I've been holding off on trying to report any defects... From itsme_410 at yahoo.com Thu Oct 23 14:43:18 2003 From: itsme_410 at yahoo.com (Globe Trotter) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 07:43:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Suggestions for a good graphics card for RH9/Fedora? In-Reply-To: <3F97CC77.3050205@thehaxbys.co.uk> Message-ID: <20031023144318.20565.qmail@web40304.mail.yahoo.com> --- John Haxby wrote: > Globe Trotter wrote: > > > Can I get a suggestion for a good graphics card which will work on > > RH9/Fedora? > > > >I have a Dell Dimension 650 Dual Processor with 2 3.06GHz Intel-4 processors > >and it is hooked to a Dell 2000FP LCD screen. This latter can take a > resolution > >of 1600x1200 and it is indeed the optimal resolution. I want to be able to > use > >this. > > > > I used an 64Mb GForce-something-or-other and before that a 32Mb > GForce-something-or-other -- basically, the NVidia chipset. You ave to > use the NVidia driver to get it working well. If your LCD screen has a > DVI input, then make sure you get a card with DVI output -- you get much > better picture quality that way. Way better, beautifully crisp in fact. > Thanks! I do have dual input and would like to use the DVI. Any suggestion with regard to the card memory? 128Mb or should I go all the way upto 256? Anything else I should consider? Thanks again! __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From itsme_410 at yahoo.com Thu Oct 23 14:45:33 2003 From: itsme_410 at yahoo.com (Globe Trotter) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 07:45:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Suggestions for a good graphics card for RH9/Fedora? In-Reply-To: <1066917447.7141.6.camel@ibmLaptop.athome.de> Message-ID: <20031023144533.73966.qmail@web40306.mail.yahoo.com> Thank you very much for your comments. The only suggestion which I have got so far is nVidia (which is what I was also thinking of getting, interestingly). Any other suggestions? Best wishes! --- Peter Boy wrote: > Am Do, den 23.10.2003 schrieb ne... um 13:51: > > >Can I get a suggestion for a good graphics card which will work on > RH9/Fedora? > > If you are not into games, a Matrox G550 should work > > just fine. > > Yes, but the driver is a nightmare, too. It is quite slow, beta since > several years (the matrox, not the xFree). If I drag a window over the > screen, it's bluring because redrawing the window isn't fast enough. And > there are some minor / odd issues with the dual head / xinerama > configuration. Edge resistance and the mechanism to open a new window on > one screen instead overlapping both screens (just don't remenber the > vocabulary) doesn't work. But otherwise it's fine :-) > > > Peter > > > > > > N.Emile... > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From nphilipp at redhat.com Thu Oct 23 14:46:41 2003 From: nphilipp at redhat.com (Nils Philippsen) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 16:46:41 +0200 Subject: An end to the GRUB/LILO threads... In-Reply-To: <1066854659.7821.17.camel@mirkwood.devel.redhat.com> References: <1066854659.7821.17.camel@mirkwood.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1066920400.1395.16.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> On Wed, 2003-10-22 at 22:31, Jeremy Katz wrote: > 3) The a11y question, but the comments about placing ^G's in the title > should make that moot I think, as that's essentially what you do with > lilo as well. Unless I'm mistaken, there are have been raised other GRUB issues regarding accessibility which need to be addressed, such as: - It should be possible to choose a kernel image to boot via "alias" or "name" rather than full-screen with cursor keys. The "title" keyword doesn't qualify for that -- it's too long. For the longer term, having a "beep-when-ready" keyword in grub.conf rather than ^G hacks would also be nice. Nils -- Nils Philippsen / Red Hat / nphilipp at redhat.com "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- B. Franklin, 1759 PGP fingerprint: C4A8 9474 5C4C ADE3 2B8F 656D 47D8 9B65 6951 3011 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From res at ausics.net Thu Oct 23 14:46:32 2003 From: res at ausics.net (Res) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 00:46:32 +1000 (EST) Subject: PROFTPD In-Reply-To: References: <20031021051124.GB18150@prince.homelinux.org> <20031021133752.B4312@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <3F96570C.2040200@vlugnet.org> <20031022112929.A27953@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 23 Oct 2003, Chris Ricker wrote: > On Thu, 23 Oct 2003, Res wrote: > > > ProFTPd has always had a good security track record > > That's true. I don't think a remote root exploit has found in it more > recently than four weeks ago. > > ;-) > > later, > chris twas local IIRC. and the first in how long :) -- Regards, Res Network Administrator Postmaster / Abusemaster / Flamemaster http://www.ausics.net Australian Hosting Services From peterr at opensystems.net.au Thu Oct 23 15:02:58 2003 From: peterr at opensystems.net.au (Peter Robinson) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 23:02:58 +0800 (WST) Subject: Newer ATI Radeon, ATI FireGL, and Nvidia GeForce/Quadrohardwaresupport In-Reply-To: References: <001701c39917$944b3480$c869fea9@pbr> Message-ID: <47862.203.161.104.72.1066921378.squirrel@www.opensystems.net.au> > On Thu, 23 Oct 2003, Peter Robinson wrote: > >>> exclusive to Fedora Core test 3 and later. Also, this video >>> hardware support will also be released as an update for Red Hat >>> Linux 9 in the near future, as: >>> >>> XFree86-4.3.0-2.90.$RAWHIDE_RELEASE_NUMBER >>> >> >>Yay, any chance of getting the nvidia gpl agp nforce drivers as part of an >>updated kernel package that's released at the same time? > > You'd have to ask a kernel developer about that. Dave Jones is > the Fedora kernel maintainer now, perhaps if he's reading he can > comment. Otherwise you might want to post an RFE in bugzilla > detailing the problem and your preferred solution. I would have thought it would be in Fedora as its in the vanilla kernel that the fedora kernel is based on, although I must admit that I haven't checked as the two fedora machines (laptop and a build/test machine) don't have the chipset. The kernel I would like it added to is the RH9 kernel... :-) I think I'll add it as a RFE, I was sort of standing back so as not to be a pain but it seems too good an opportunity :-) > Personally though, I'm uninvolved with the kernel for the most > part. > >>The 2.4.20 kernel that comes with 9 just missed out on the >>driver for this (I think it was included with the 2.4.21 kernel) >>so my Radeon 9200 Pro has been running without agp accel and >>with a ChipId entry to get it working. The new xfree package >>will solve half the problem and I'm sure I'm not the only person >>with a nforce board and I wouldn't have thought they would be >>that invasive or effect anything else in the kernel. >> >>Lspci entry FYI (in the list below as far as I can tell :-) >> >>03:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc: Unknown device 5961 >>(rev 01) > > That's in 4.3.0. The pcitable wont autodetect it though. I > might have to issue a hwdata package update for that if Bill > doesn't mind. That would be nice although auto detect isn't essential as I can get it working without auto detect, but it would allow easy install on quiet a few newer machines as I have found that a lot of people choose the 9200 Pro as its quiet fast but doesn't require active cooling like the cards above it so its great for someone who doesn't need the lastest and would prefer less noise :-) pete -------------------------------------------------------------- Peter Robinson Senior Consultant Open Systems Support peterr at opensystems.net.au 97 Broadway, Nedlands WA 6009 Ph (08) 92848777 Fax (08) 93869833 From marguz at ameritech.net Thu Oct 23 15:13:37 2003 From: marguz at ameritech.net (Mark Guzzo) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 10:13:37 -0500 Subject: supermount or equiv? In-Reply-To: <01L268X9FVXU002DFX@rcum.uni-mb.si> References: <01L268X9FVXU002DFX@rcum.uni-mb.si> Message-ID: <1066922017.3405.5.camel@LORDLINUX.global.shsystem.org> > > I don't think there is any simple way to unmount > > and eject, is that not true? > > unmount : > - wait for timeout or > - manually umount > > eject : > - push the eject button or > - use the eject command > > both can be done from GUI, I guess ( I can't recall doing so lately though ) > Well, I enjoyed the talk about magicdev and autofs so much that I Googled autofs to find out just how to use it. I found some good info, if any one wants it here it is... http://www.linuxhq.com/lg/issue24/nielsen.html This site has a script that works like a charm! I'll be doing this on my wife's Fedora computer :-) http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/docs/HOWTO/other-formats/html_single/Automount.html#s4 http://www.poulpetersen.dk/linux/ukautofs.htm YMMY Mark From pboy at barkhof.uni-bremen.de Thu Oct 23 15:22:19 2003 From: pboy at barkhof.uni-bremen.de (Peter Boy) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 17:22:19 +0200 Subject: Suggestions for a good graphics card for RH9/Fedora? In-Reply-To: <20031023144318.20565.qmail@web40304.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20031023144318.20565.qmail@web40304.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1066922539.7141.21.camel@ibmLaptop.athome.de> Am Do, den 23.10.2003 schrieb Globe Trotter um 16:43: > Thanks! I do have dual input and would like to use the DVI. Any suggestion with > regard to the card memory? 128Mb or should I go all the way upto 256? Unless your are a windows gamer 64 mb should be enough for a Linux box. You can watch DVD, do video editing, and the usual stuff. I'm not shure, but even Windows games currently don't use 128 mb (but I'm not a game expert!). Peter From dstewart at atl.lmco.com Thu Oct 23 15:25:55 2003 From: dstewart at atl.lmco.com (Douglas Stewart) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 11:25:55 -0400 Subject: Suggestions for a good graphics card for RH9/Fedora? In-Reply-To: <1066922539.7141.21.camel@ibmLaptop.athome.de> References: <20031023144318.20565.qmail@web40304.mail.yahoo.com> <1066922539.7141.21.camel@ibmLaptop.athome.de> Message-ID: <3F97F303.3000803@atl.lmco.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Peter Boy wrote: | Am Do, den 23.10.2003 schrieb Globe Trotter um 16:43: | |>Thanks! I do have dual input and would like to use the DVI. Any suggestion with |>regard to the card memory? 128Mb or should I go all the way upto 256? | | | Unless your are a windows gamer 64 mb should be enough for a Linux box. | You can watch DVD, do video editing, and the usual stuff. I'm not shure, | but even Windows games currently don't use 128 mb (but I'm not a game | expert!). | | | | Peter | | | -- | fedora-test-list mailing list | fedora-test-list at redhat.com | http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list Definitely take the 128MB. The performance boost over the 64MB cards is noticable. The performance tests that I've seen re: 128MB vs. 256MB GeForceFX cards have actually shown that the 256 can be SLOWER than the 128 in many cases, so it's really not worth the extra money. For absolute stability and very good performance, I would look in to a 128MB GeForce 4 Ti4600/Ti4800. The FX cards that I've tried (at least from PNY) have been flaky, at best. - -- - ---------- Doug Stewart Systems Administrator/Web Applications Developer Lockheed Martin Advanced Technology Labs Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/l/MDN50Q8DVvcvkRAhb4AJwLq1u5ul4mevEVr0H5TFdLH75NygCdG/Wv bdKXafAkGDxIg7z3ZEU23RQ= =vteX -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From whb at ceimaine.org Thu Oct 23 15:34:13 2003 From: whb at ceimaine.org (Will Backman) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 11:34:13 -0400 Subject: Battery Monitor Applet Message-ID: <1066923253.2216.36.camel@dbxwsd21> Anyone else using a laptop with the battery monitor applet in Gnome? Mine seems ok except for the fact that is always says the percent remaining and "high" even when the battery is low. I'm at 25% now, it is yellow, but still says "high". Anyone else getting this? -- Will From pboy at barkhof.uni-bremen.de Thu Oct 23 15:34:50 2003 From: pboy at barkhof.uni-bremen.de (Peter Boy) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 17:34:50 +0200 Subject: Suggestions for a good graphics card for RH9/Fedora? In-Reply-To: <20031023144533.73966.qmail@web40306.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20031023144533.73966.qmail@web40306.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1066923290.7141.34.camel@ibmLaptop.athome.de> Am Do, den 23.10.2003 schrieb Globe Trotter um 16:45: > Thank you very much for your comments. The only suggestion which I have got so > far is nVidia (which is what I was also thinking of getting, interestingly). > Any other suggestions? not from my own experiences. I'm looking for a dual head card (as you do, too, as I saw in other postings). There are some ATI dual head radeon, but all I have found have one analog and one digital connector. So you can not use two analog or better two digital monitors. ATI FireGL are equiped with two analog/digital connectors, but are much more expensive. The Matrox 550 DVI can be connected to two digital or two analog monitors, that is my configuration. There are several nvidia cards with can be connected to two analog or two digital monitors. But I'm a little bit confused about all the different vendors and don't know about the quality of their products (e.g. video signal quality). Given all those Taiwan products I'm worried some may combine a high quality nvidia chip with low quality supporting chips (and, of course, advertise the nvidia) to accomodate a low price tag. Peter From shrek-m at gmx.de Thu Oct 23 15:36:19 2003 From: shrek-m at gmx.de (shrek-m at gmx.de) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 17:36:19 +0200 Subject: PROFTPD In-Reply-To: References: <20031021051124.GB18150@prince.homelinux.org> <20031021133752.B4312@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <3F96570C.2040200@vlugnet.org> <20031022112929.A27953@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <3F97F573.3020607@gmx.de> Res wrote: >On Thu, 23 Oct 2003, Chris Ricker wrote: > > >>On Thu, 23 Oct 2003, Res wrote: >> >> >>>ProFTPd has always had a good security track record >>> >>> >>That's true. I don't think a remote root exploit has found in it more >>recently than four weeks ago. >> >> >> > >twas local IIRC. and the first in how long :) > > http://www.iss.net/search.php?config=corporate&pattern=proftpd&x=0&y=0 ---- Internet Security Systems Security Brief September 23, 2003 ProFTPD ASCII File Remote Compromise Vulnerability Synopsis: ISS X-Force has discovered a flaw in the ProFTPD Unix FTP server. ProFTPD is a highly configurable FTP (File Transfer Protocol) server for Unix that allows for per-directory access restrictions, easy configuration of virtual FTP servers, and support for multiple authentication mechanisms. A flaw exists in the ProFTPD component that handles incoming ASCII file transfers. Impact: An attacker capable of uploading files to the vulnerable system can trigger a buffer overflow and execute arbitrary code to gain complete control of the system. Attackers may use this vulnerability to destroy, steal, or manipulate data on vulnerable FTP sites. Affected Versions: ProFTPD 1.2.7 ProFTPD 1.2.8 ProFTPD 1.2.8rc1 ProFTPD 1.2.8rc2 ProFTPD 1.2.9rc1 ProFTPD 1.2.9rc2 Note: Versions previous to version 1.2.7 may also be vulnerable. For the complete ISS X-Force Security Advisory, please visit: http://xforce.iss.net/xforce/alerts/id/154 ---- Date Reported: 06/19/2003 Brief Description: ProFTPD mod_sql SQL injection Risk Factor: Medium Attack Type: Network Based Platforms: Linux Any version, ProFTPD 1.2.9rc1 and earlier, Unix Any version Vulnerability: proftpd-modsql-sql-injection X-Force URL: http://www.iss.net/security_center/static/12369.php ---- -- shrek-m From czar at czarc.net Thu Oct 23 15:37:02 2003 From: czar at czarc.net (Gene C.) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 11:37:02 -0400 Subject: rawhide and up2date Message-ID: <200310231137.02769.czar@czarc.net> I see that rawhide is open again and was even able to download the updated up2date using ftp. However, running the gui up2date seems to hang downloading the headers. I then tried: up2date-nox --list and got: With the old (4.1.7) up2date, a traceback. With the new (4.1.9) up2date, the error message: Fetching rpm headers... There was some sort of I/O error: Not a gzipped file Do you want this in bugzilla? -- Gene From itsme_410 at yahoo.com Thu Oct 23 15:38:26 2003 From: itsme_410 at yahoo.com (Globe Trotter) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 08:38:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Suggestions for a good graphics card for RH9/Fedora? In-Reply-To: <3F97F303.3000803@atl.lmco.com> Message-ID: <20031023153826.88015.qmail@web40306.mail.yahoo.com> --- Douglas Stewart wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Peter Boy wrote: > | Am Do, den 23.10.2003 schrieb Globe Trotter um 16:43: > | > |>Thanks! I do have dual input and would like to use the DVI. Any > suggestion with > |>regard to the card memory? 128Mb or should I go all the way upto 256? > | > | > | Unless your are a windows gamer 64 mb should be enough for a Linux box. > | You can watch DVD, do video editing, and the usual stuff. I'm not shure, > | but even Windows games currently don't use 128 mb (but I'm not a game > | expert!). > | > | > | > | Peter > | > | > | -- > | fedora-test-list mailing list > | fedora-test-list at redhat.com > | http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > Definitely take the 128MB. The performance boost over the 64MB cards > is noticable. The performance tests that I've seen re: 128MB vs. 256MB > GeForceFX cards have actually shown that the 256 can be SLOWER than the > 128 in many cases, so it's really not worth the extra money. > > For absolute stability and very good performance, I would look in to a > 128MB GeForce 4 Ti4600/Ti4800. The FX cards that I've tried (at least > from PNY) have been flaky, at best. > > - -- Thanks very much, both Peter and Doug. So, these cards are dual DVI/VGA capable, right? And supported on RH9 and Fedora? As I mentioned before, I have a DVI/VGA monitor (which I want to run as DVI) and is optimized at 1600x1200 resolution. What is the difference between TI4600 and TI4800? Any specs within these that I should consider while purchasing. Sorry if I appear dumb, but that is exactly what I am:-) No, I am not a gamer, but I just don't want my card to become obsolete within a year or with the Fedora Core 3 release. Thanks again and best wishes! __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From ba at linuxin.dk Thu Oct 23 15:42:49 2003 From: ba at linuxin.dk (Bjorn Andersen) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 17:42:49 +0200 Subject: Games doesent work in Fedora test 3 In-Reply-To: <1066918852.7651.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <3F95769F.3080502@linuxin.dk> <3F959DAF.60305@linuxin.dk> <200310211410.02540.jkeating@j2solutions.net> <3F960C98.9060901@linuxin.dk> <1066809492.5398.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1066841182.7865.41.camel@localhost.localdomain> <3F96E67F.3080809@linuxin.dk> <1066918852.7651.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <3F97F6F9.7020200@linuxin.dk> Philip Trickett skrev: >On Wed, 2003-10-22 at 21:20, Bjorn Andersen wrote: > > >>> >>> >>> >>> >>Thanks, that did it. >> >>Now, im a happy man :-) >> >> > >Yeah, > >See you on-line in Savage. I'm the one that keeps getting killed ;) > >Phil > > >-- >fedora-test-list mailing list >fedora-test-list at redhat.com >http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > > He :-) Im about to line up for Unreal Tournament 2004. It shold be there in about one month... I cant wait ;-) -- Linux Because making UNIX user friendly is easier then debugging Windows From davej at redhat.com Thu Oct 23 15:44:52 2003 From: davej at redhat.com (Dave Jones) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 16:44:52 +0100 Subject: Newer ATI Radeon, ATI FireGL, and Nvidia GeForce/Quadro hardwaresupport In-Reply-To: <001701c39917$944b3480$c869fea9@pbr> References: <001701c39917$944b3480$c869fea9@pbr> Message-ID: <20031023154452.GM1528@redhat.com> On Thu, Oct 23, 2003 at 11:41:17AM +0800, Peter Robinson wrote: > Yay, any chance of getting the nvidia gpl agp nforce drivers as part of an > updated kernel package that's released at the same time? The 2.4.20 kernel > that comes with 9 just missed out on the driver for this (I think it was > included with the 2.4.21 kernel) As FC is based on 2.4.22, this is already included. Dave -- Dave Jones http://www.codemonkey.org.uk From xose at wanadoo.es Thu Oct 23 15:48:42 2003 From: xose at wanadoo.es (Xose Vazquez Perez) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 17:48:42 +0200 Subject: [OT] Re: Suggestions for a good graphics card for RH9/Fedora? References: <20031023144318.20565.qmail@web40304.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3F97F85A.9060908@wanadoo.es> Globe Trotter wrote: > Thanks! I do have dual input and would like to use the DVI. Any suggestion with > regard to the card memory? 128Mb or should I go all the way upto 256? Anything > else I should consider? I saw tests of same ATI board with 64 and 128 over MS Windows and they get the *same* performance. Forget the RAM, it's more important chip type. A Radeon 8500 or 9100 with 64 MB is good and cheap. -- HTML mails are going to trash automatically From m.a.young at durham.ac.uk Thu Oct 23 15:51:52 2003 From: m.a.young at durham.ac.uk (M A Young) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 16:51:52 +0100 (BST) Subject: rawhide and up2date In-Reply-To: <200310231137.02769.czar@czarc.net> Message-ID: On Thu, 23 Oct 2003, Gene C. wrote: > I see that rawhide is open again and was even able to download the updated > up2date using ftp. However, running the gui up2date seems to hang > downloading the headers. I then tried: > > up2date-nox --list > > and got: > > With the old (4.1.7) up2date, a traceback. > > With the new (4.1.9) up2date, the error message: > Fetching rpm headers... > There was some sort of I/O error: Not a gzipped file I am not sure rawhide is totally back, or maybe it was back briefly and has gone again. Michael Young From czar at czarc.net Thu Oct 23 16:05:13 2003 From: czar at czarc.net (Gene C.) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 12:05:13 -0400 Subject: rawhide and up2date In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200310231205.13125.czar@czarc.net> On Thursday 23 October 2003 11:51, M A Young wrote: > On Thu, 23 Oct 2003, Gene C. wrote: > > I see that rawhide is open again and was even able to download the > > updated up2date using ftp. However, running the gui up2date seems to > > hang downloading the headers. I then tried: > > > > up2date-nox --list > > > > and got: > > > > With the old (4.1.7) up2date, a traceback. > > > > With the new (4.1.9) up2date, the error message: > > Fetching rpm headers... > > There was some sort of I/O error: Not a gzipped file > > I am not sure rawhide is totally back, or maybe it was back briefly and > has gone again. You are correct ... sort of. Ftp access is back. However, when I tried using lftp to access it using http, I got "403 Forbidden" trying to access /pub/redhat/linux/rawhide/ If http access is still not enabled, this will give up2date a problem. -- Gene From jkeating at j2solutions.net Thu Oct 23 16:07:37 2003 From: jkeating at j2solutions.net (Jesse Keating) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 09:07:37 -0700 Subject: PROFTPD In-Reply-To: References: <20031021051124.GB18150@prince.homelinux.org> Message-ID: <200310230907.42211.jkeating@j2solutions.net> On Thursday 23 October 2003 06:29, Res wrote: > ProFTPd has always had a good security track record, RH used to > include it years ago (ok i think it was only on the contrib tho), > when it also included the biggest security nightmare every ftp admin > has 'wu-ftpd', they dropped proftpd but kept wu-ftpd, that just made > absolute no sense at all, I feel there is more to it and RH wont say > (at least publicly) why :) Wu was dropped in 9. Probably just an oversite, or a deprecated term to have it in 8.0. -- Jesse Keating RHCE MCSE (geek.j2solutions.net) Fedora Legacy Team (www.fedora.us/wiki/FedoraLegacy) Mondo DevTeam (www.mondorescue.org) GPG Public Key (geek.j2solutions.net/jkeating.j2solutions.pub) Was I helpful? Let others know: http://svcs.affero.net/rm.php?r=jkeating -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: signature URL: From itsme_410 at yahoo.com Thu Oct 23 16:13:07 2003 From: itsme_410 at yahoo.com (Globe Trotter) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 09:13:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Newer ATI Radeon, ATI FireGL, and Nvidia GeForce/Quadro hardware support In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20031023161307.46937.qmail@web40308.mail.yahoo.com> --- "Mike A. Harris" wrote: > This document concerns the current state of the XFree86 video > driver support for ATI Radeon, FireGL, and Nvidia GeForce and > Quadro video hardware which is present in Red Hat rawhide, and > the current Fedora Core OS test release. I'm posting this in > order to solicit feedback, and also to get more people involved > in reporting bugs and also notifying Red Hat and myself of any > missing hardware support, etc. for these 2 video drivers. > > More information on the Fedora Project, and our current Fedora > Core test release can be found at: > > http://fedora.redhat.com > > > Just to be clear, this information does not apply to any previous > Red Hat operating systems such as Red Hat Linux 8.0, 7.x, but is > exclusive to Fedora Core test 3 and later. Also, this video > hardware support will also be released as an update for Red Hat > Linux 9 in the near future, as: > > XFree86-4.3.0-2.90.$RAWHIDE_RELEASE_NUMBER > > > > ATI Radeon and FireGL support status: > > XFree86 4.3.0, which is in Fedora Core test releases and rawhide > currently, contains additional patches to support newer ATI > Radeon and FireGL video hardware than what the stock XFree86 > 4.3.0 release supports. This support is a combination of 4 > things: > > 1) Enhancements I've implemented myself voluntarily on > weekends, etc. and included, which either have been committed > to XFree86 CVS already, or will be in the future hopefully. > > 2) Code that I have backported from the XFree86 developmental CVS > head, either developed by ATI, or by other people who work on > the "radeon" driver. > > 3) Code contributed to me directly by ATI. > > 4) Code contributed to me directly by other developers. > > Currently, our customized 4.3.0 "radeon" driver supports almost > all ATI Radeon and FireGL hardware. 3D is supported on all video > hardware up to and including the Radeon 9000 and 9100, FireGL > 8700, 8800, and it may or may not also work on the 9200 hardware > (untested). 2D support is present for all hardware including the > 9500/9600/9700/9800 series cards also, and the newer ATI FireGL > X1/Z1 hardware. > > There are different variants of these cards out there however, > and some cards have different PCI device IDs than others, and so > for example, while Radeon 9800 is supported 2D only, it's > possible that someone might have a Radeon 9800 card that is > unknown to our pcitable, and unknown to the video driver, but > which otherwise should/would work ok once the PCI ID is made > known to the video driver and pcitable database. About 2 weeks > ago I updated the driver with a newer list of PCI IDs sent to me > from ATI which was believed to cover all of the existing hardware > at the point ATI sent me the files. I tested this on the > hardware I personally have available, and everything worked fine, > however I don't have one of every single card for every single > PCI device ID out there, so I can only vouch for the particular > chips I physically have available to test. > > Since then a number of newer ATI Radeon and FireGL hardware has > been released by ATI, such as the 9800Pro XT and SE, 9600 XT/SE, > and new FireGL cards. I do not yet have all of this hardware, > however some of this hardware might work with the existing driver > currently in rawhide, while other cards might still need to have > their PCI IDs added before they're functional. This also goes > for the Radeon Mobility, FireGL Mobility, and ATI Radeon IGP and > Mobility IGP chipsets. > > Here is a list of all chips that the driver currently supports: > > ATI Radeon QD (AGP) > ATI Radeon QE (AGP) > ATI Radeon QF (AGP) > ATI Radeon QG (AGP) > ATI Radeon VE/7000 QY (AGP) > ATI Radeon VE/7000 QZ (AGP) > ATI Radeon Mobility M7 LW (AGP) > ATI Mobility FireGL 7800 M7 LX (AGP) > ATI Radeon Mobility M6 LY (AGP) > ATI Radeon Mobility M6 LZ (AGP) > ATI Radeon IGP320 (A3) 4136 > ATI Radeon IGP320M (U1) 4336 > ATI Radeon IGP330/340/350 (A4) 4137 > ATI Radeon IGP330M/340M/350M (U2) 4337 > ATI Radeon 7000 IGP (A4+) 4237 > ATI Radeon Mobility 7000 IGP 4437 > ATI FireGL 8700/8800 QH (AGP) > ATI Radeon 8500 QI (AGP) > ATI Radeon 8500 QJ (AGP) > ATI Radeon 8500 QK (AGP) > ATI Radeon 8500 QL (AGP) > ATI Radeon 9100 QM (AGP) > ATI Radeon 8500 QN (AGP) > ATI Radeon 8500 QO (AGP) > ATI Radeon 8500 Qh (AGP) > ATI Radeon 8500 Qi (AGP) > ATI Radeon 8500 Qj (AGP) > ATI Radeon 8500 Qk (AGP) > ATI Radeon 8500 Ql (AGP) > ATI Radeon 8500 BB (AGP) > ATI Radeon 7500 QW (AGP) > ATI Radeon 7500 QX (AGP) > ATI Radeon 9000 Id (AGP) > ATI Radeon 9000 Ie (AGP) > ATI Radeon 9000 If (AGP) > ATI Radeon 9000 Ig (AGP) > ATI Radeon Mobility M9 Ld (AGP) > ATI Radeon Mobility M9 Le (AGP) > ATI Radeon Mobility M9 Lf (AGP) > ATI Radeon Mobility M9 Lg (AGP) > ATI Radeon 9000 IGP (A5) 5834 > ATI Radeon Mobility 9000 IGP (U3) 5835 > ATI Radeon 9200 5960 (AGP) > ATI Radeon 9200 5961 (AGP) > ATI Radeon 9200 5962 (AGP) > ATI Radeon 9200 5963 (AGP) > ATI Radeon 9200 5964 (AGP) > ATI Radeon M9+ 5968 (AGP) > ATI Radeon M9+ 5969 (AGP) > ATI Radeon M9+ 596A (AGP) > ATI Radeon M9+ 596B (AGP) > ATI Radeon 9500 AD (AGP) > ATI Radeon 9500 AE (AGP) > ATI Radeon 9500 AF (AGP) > ATI FireGL Z1/X1 AG (AGP) > ATI Radeon 9700 Pro ND (AGP) > ATI Radeon 9700/9500Pro NE (AGP) > ATI Radeon 9700 NF (AGP) > ATI FireGL X1 NG (AGP) > ATI Radeon 9600 AP (AGP) > ATI Radeon 9600 Pro AR (AGP) > ATI Radeon Mobility M10 NP (AGP) > ATI FireGL (R350) AK (AGP) > ATI Radeon 9800 NH (AGP) > ATI FireGL (R350) NK (AGP) > > > If someone has an ATI Radeon or FireGL card which is not on this > list, it is currently not supported by the driver. Run "lspci" > and look and see if it lists the card by name, or if it says > "unknown" or similar. If lspci doesn't know what the card is, > even if it isn't on the above list, please file a bug report in > bugzilla, and include full details of the video card, and also > manually choose any Radeon video card from the list of hardware > in redhat-config-xfree86 and test the card out with X. Report > any problems found in your bugzilla bug report. > > I plan on improving our 4.3.0 radeon driver to support any new > cards that come out whenever I have the information I need to do > the work, and have some spare weekend-hacker time to do the > necessary volunteer work. > > Currently the XT/SE cards wont work I don't think, however you > can probably trick them into working by using the "ChipID" config > file directive in the config file to lie to the driver about what > card you have. "man XF86Config" documents this option and how to > use it. ie: > > ChipId "0x4150" > > That line would probably allow a Radeon 9600 SE/XT/whatever to > work by faking that it is a "Radeon 9600 AP". You can get the > various PCI ID numbers for various supported cards from: > > /usr/share/hwdata/pcitable > > So, if your card is not autodetected by our config tool and/or > not autodetected by the video driver, please report a bug report > or request for enhancement in bugzilla, so that I at least know > about the missing hardware support and might be able to add > support for it when I have spare time, for future XFree86 4.3.0 > update releases. I can't guarantee any kind of speedy resolution > of course, but it'd be nice to have a list of various cards in > bugzilla that need work, so that when I do have the time to hack > on it, I can add them all at once. ;o) > > > > Nvidia support status: > > The "nv" driver in 4.3.0 supports the majority of Nvidia hardware > that existed in February 2003, plus it has code to support > similar hardware that Nvidia planned on shipping later than that, > but which the driver will claim is "unknown Nvidia blah blah" and > try to drive it nonethless. The "nv" driver *only* supports CRT > displays officially, flat panel display types are not officially > supported, but the driver has experimental support which might or > might not work depending on the exact brand/make/model/phase of > the moon, etc. It is also possible that there are newer Nvidia > boards that aren't supported or just don't work at all for one > reason or another. > > User's experiencing problems with the "nv" driver, be they > general bugs, or lack of support for their particular card, > should also file bug reports in Red Hat bugzilla, however they > should also file them in XFree86 bugzilla as Nvidia doesn't > release their specifications nor any detailed information on how > their hardware works, so adding support for new chips is nowhere > near as simple as doing it for the Radeon driver. All Nvidia > "nv" driver related bug reports if filed in Red Hat bugzilla, > should also be filed at: http://bugs.xfree86.org including > complete details of any problems, and having config file and log > file attachments. > > Where possible, I will try to also update the Nvidia "nv" driver > to support newer Nvidia hardware as volunteer time permits. > > NOTE: This is STRICTLY for the Red Hat/XFree86 supplied "nv" > driver. DO NOT file bug reports about using the proprietary > Nvidia video drivers, as we do not support those drivers at all. > Any problems experienced while using the Nvidia proprietary > drivers should be reported to Nvidia directly and discussed on > their end user web support forums (don't have the URL handy) as > this is Nvidia Inc.'s preferred mechanism for handling problems > in their drivers. If a user is using both the proprietary and > the "nv" driver on their system and having problems with the "nv" > driver, before reporting problems, disable the proprietary driver > and it's kernel module completely, then do a full system reboot > in order to reset the video hardware to it's default power on > state, as the different drivers can and do program the Nvidia > hardware a bit differently and this can cause the 'nv' driver to > fail once the proprietary driver has been used since boot time. > > > Final comments: > > I must ask politely that people please do NOT email me personally > for help configuring their hardware or solving X configuration > problems, etc. I generally get 20-50 or more email requests for > special help from people when I send an email like this out, and > unfortunately, I really truely do not have time to help that many > people out individually. > > Any email based tech support or discussion of any problems should > take place on xfree86-list at redhat.com, or > fedora-devel-list at redhat.com, or even xfree86 at xfree86.org, so > that numerous developers and other people can possibly assist > with a given problem someone is experiencing. Any generic > questions about future X support or development should also be > directed to one of those mailing lists, or dri-devel on > sourceforge, rather than directly to me. > > Bug reports and RFEs should be filed at: > http://bugzilla.redhat.com > http://bugs.xfree86.org > > > While this email is rather lengthy, if I've missed anything and > someone decides to respond, please respond on the mailing list > that you received this email from and do not reply directly to me > privately. I'll probably reply to any discussions on our mailing > lists that crop up from this mail, but probably ignore all > private replies. ;o) > > Thanks in advance for testing out this new hardware support, and > for contributing bug reports and enhancement requests so that we > can hopefully end up being able to support the latest video > hardware for y'all. ;o) > > Enjoy. >] Thank you very much! Btw, will the ATI Radeon R300 NG FireGL X1 be supported? Best wishes! > -- > Mike A. Harris ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris > OS Systems Engineer - XFree86 maintainer - Red Hat > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From whooperhsd3 at earthlink.net Thu Oct 23 16:15:41 2003 From: whooperhsd3 at earthlink.net (William Hooper) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 12:15:41 -0400 (EDT) Subject: PROFTPD In-Reply-To: References: <20031021051124.GB18150@prince.homelinux.org><20031021133752.B4312@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <3F96570C.2040200@vlugnet.org><20031022112929.A27953@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <64780.65.40.134.44.1066864936.squirrel@65.40.134.44> Message-ID: <2770.12.29.16.103.1066925741.squirrel@12.29.16.103> Res said: > On Wed, 22 Oct 2003, William Hooper wrote: > >> Which I'm sure is part of the reason Bill said "It's certainly a >> candidate >> for Fedora Extras." Or at least he can now claim it was. :-) > > I think Bill was talking about PureFTPd Actually both: http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/2003-October/msg02595.html http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/2003-October/msg02763.html Point being that just because Red Hat doesn't ship it doesn't' mean you can't use it. And now with the Fedora Project, a person with enough interest can maintain packages the Red Hat choses not to ship and still include them in Fedora Extras. -- William Hooper From jkeating at j2solutions.net Thu Oct 23 16:20:53 2003 From: jkeating at j2solutions.net (Jesse Keating) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 09:20:53 -0700 Subject: Newer ATI Radeon, ATI FireGL, and Nvidia GeForce/Quadro hardware support In-Reply-To: <20031023161307.46937.qmail@web40308.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20031023161307.46937.qmail@web40308.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200310230920.53469.jkeating@j2solutions.net> On Thursday 23 October 2003 09:13, Globe Trotter wrote: > Thank you very much! Btw, will the ATI Radeon R300 NG FireGL X1 be > supported? > > Best wishes! While we all appreciate your bottom post and feed back, could you please be kind to dialup and blind users by trimming your quotes next time? Adding a one line response to a really large quotes message is rather rude. Sometimes we don't realize that what we do may effect others in ways that we don't expect. Please be mindfull of the people that have to go line by line to get the message. -- Jesse Keating RHCE MCSE (geek.j2solutions.net) Fedora Legacy Team (www.fedora.us/wiki/FedoraLegacy) Mondo DevTeam (www.mondorescue.org) GPG Public Key (geek.j2solutions.net/jkeating.j2solutions.pub) Was I helpful? Let others know: http://svcs.affero.net/rm.php?r=jkeating -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: signature URL: From akabi at speakeasy.net Thu Oct 23 16:22:54 2003 From: akabi at speakeasy.net (ne...) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 12:22:54 -0400 (EDT) Subject: rawhide and up2date In-Reply-To: <200310231205.13125.czar@czarc.net> References: <200310231205.13125.czar@czarc.net> Message-ID: On Oct 23, 2003 at 12:05, Gene C. in a soothing rage wrote: >You are correct ... sort of. Ftp access is back. However, when I tried using >lftp to access it using http, I got "403 Forbidden" trying to access >/pub/redhat/linux/rawhide/ > >If http access is still not enabled, this will give up2date a problem. Folks: Let's be patient and wait for Red Hat to tell us the server is ready for action please... N.Emile... -- Registered Linux User # 125653 (http://counter.li.org) Switch to: http://www.speakeasy.net/refer/190653 Television -- the longest amateur night in history. -- Robert Carson 12:20:57 up 59 days, 23:55, 5 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 From whooperhsd3 at earthlink.net Thu Oct 23 16:23:37 2003 From: whooperhsd3 at earthlink.net (William Hooper) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 12:23:37 -0400 (EDT) Subject: PROFTPD In-Reply-To: References: <20031021051124.GB18150@prince.homelinux.org><20031021133752.B4312@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <3F96570C.2040200@vlugnet.org><20031022112929.A27953@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <4383.12.29.16.103.1066926217.squirrel@12.29.16.103> Res said: > On Thu, 23 Oct 2003, Chris Ricker wrote: > >> On Thu, 23 Oct 2003, Res wrote: >> >> > ProFTPd has always had a good security track record >> >> That's true. I don't think a remote root exploit has found in it more >> recently than four weeks ago. >> >> ;-) >> >> later, >> chris > > twas local IIRC. and the first in how long :) I fail to see how shipping three versions with the same exploit is any different than having three exploits in three versions. History of discovered exploits (you do realize they are in the code before they are "discovered", right?) is no indication of exploits that currently exist. -- William Hooper From itsme_410 at yahoo.com Thu Oct 23 16:28:45 2003 From: itsme_410 at yahoo.com (Globe Trotter) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 09:28:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Newer ATI Radeon, ATI FireGL, and Nvidia GeForce/Quadro hardware support In-Reply-To: <200310230920.53469.jkeating@j2solutions.net> Message-ID: <20031023162845.49865.qmail@web40308.mail.yahoo.com> thqnk you! sorry did not mean to be rude. By the way, netiquette says that a follow-up message should be at the end of the post. I disagree with this, but try to follow it in the rare instances I remember. Also, I did not have a lot to write about, so kept my response short. Thanks! --- Jesse Keating wrote: > On Thursday 23 October 2003 09:13, Globe Trotter wrote: > > Thank you very much! Btw, will the ATI Radeon R300 NG FireGL X1 be > > supported? > > > > Best wishes! > > While we all appreciate your bottom post and feed back, could you please > be kind to dialup and blind users by trimming your quotes next time? > Adding a one line response to a really large quotes message is rather > rude. Sometimes we don't realize that what we do may effect others in > ways that we don't expect. Please be mindfull of the people that have > to go line by line to get the message. > > -- > Jesse Keating RHCE MCSE (geek.j2solutions.net) > Fedora Legacy Team (www.fedora.us/wiki/FedoraLegacy) > Mondo DevTeam (www.mondorescue.org) > GPG Public Key (geek.j2solutions.net/jkeating.j2solutions.pub) > > Was I helpful? Let others know: > http://svcs.affero.net/rm.php?r=jkeating > ATTACHMENT part 2 application/pgp-signature __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From eric at interplas.com Thu Oct 23 16:30:45 2003 From: eric at interplas.com (Eric Wood) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 12:30:45 -0400 Subject: kudzu and gui boot don't mix Message-ID: <002101c39983$02b9c380$9100000a@intgrp.com> Has this been reported: I put in a new nic card, and the gui didn't switch to kudzu (text-mode) wanting me to remove/add configure, blah, blah. Kudzu simply timed-out (behind the scenes). No biggie, just wondering if this has been addressed. -eric wood From czar at czarc.net Thu Oct 23 17:00:31 2003 From: czar at czarc.net (Gene C.) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 13:00:31 -0400 Subject: rawhide and up2date In-Reply-To: References: <200310231205.13125.czar@czarc.net> Message-ID: <200310231300.31659.czar@czarc.net> On Thursday 23 October 2003 12:22, ne... wrote: > On Oct 23, 2003 at 12:05, Gene C. in a soothing rage wrote: > >You are correct ... sort of. Ftp access is back. However, when I tried > > using lftp to access it using http, I got "403 Forbidden" trying to > > access /pub/redhat/linux/rawhide/ > > > >If http access is still not enabled, this will give up2date a problem. > > Folks: > > Let's be patient and wait for Red Hat to tell us the server > is ready for action please... Well folks ... 1. The rhn applet indicates that there are updates waiting. It seems to be able to get the header.info file in the rawhide tree and in fact you can wget http://ftp.redhat.com/pub/redhat/linux/rawhide/headers/header.info and get the file. 2. With access via ftp working but http not, I am not sure what is going on and would appreciate someone from Red Hat to clarify. Others can speculate but we need Red Hat comment here. We are fast approaching freeze time and I would like to get as much fixed as I can. -- Gene From whb at ceimaine.org Thu Oct 23 17:16:33 2003 From: whb at ceimaine.org (Will Backman) Date: 23 Oct 2003 13:16:33 -0400 Subject: no sqare bracket in Evolution search Message-ID: <1066929384.2013.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> Anyone else unable to use the square bracket character in Evolution search field? Worked in Evolution 1.2.2 -- Will From bcs at metacon.ca Thu Oct 23 17:19:08 2003 From: bcs at metacon.ca (Ben Steeves) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 14:19:08 -0300 Subject: no sqare bracket in Evolution search In-Reply-To: <1066929384.2013.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1066929384.2013.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1066929548.28842.77.camel@zephyr> On Thu, 2003-10-23 at 14:16, Will Backman wrote: > Anyone else unable to use the square bracket character in Evolution > search field? Worked in Evolution 1.2.2 I have the same problem -- now that you mention it. :-) -- Ben Steeves _ bcs at metacon.ca The ASCII ribbon campaign ( ) ben.steeves at unb.ca against HTML e-mail X GPG ID: 0xB3EBF1D9 http://www.metacon.ca/ascii / \ Yahoo Messenger: ben_steeves From joe at tmsusa.com Thu Oct 23 17:24:25 2003 From: joe at tmsusa.com (joe) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 10:24:25 -0700 Subject: Speakup in kernel In-Reply-To: <20031023025349.GI23591@rednote.net> References: <20031023025349.GI23591@rednote.net> Message-ID: <3F980EC9.9070309@tmsusa.com> Janina Sajka wrote: >Glad to hear it. Would you please give me a hand with a Bugzilla filing? >As you probably know, Bugzilla is very difficult to use with AT. > > LOL, it's difficult to use, period! Joe From joe at tmsusa.com Thu Oct 23 17:38:21 2003 From: joe at tmsusa.com (joe) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 10:38:21 -0700 Subject: Games doesent work in Fedora test 3 In-Reply-To: <1066918852.7651.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <3F95769F.3080502@linuxin.dk> <3F959DAF.60305@linuxin.dk> <200310211410.02540.jkeating@j2solutions.net> <3F960C98.9060901@linuxin.dk> <1066809492.5398.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1066841182.7865.41.camel@localhost.localdomain> <3F96E67F.3080809@linuxin.dk> <1066918852.7651.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <3F98120D.4010705@tmsusa.com> Speaking of games - I pre-ordered doom 3 quite some time ago. It was originally supposed to have shipped in March 2003 :-( Anybody else here waiting for that? I was one of those who started with the linux doom back in 95 or so, was one of the first to try out the linus Torvalds port of quake back in 1996, and even bought the metal case version of quake 3 from Loki back in the day. I had played a lot of RcTW, even ran a popular RtCW server for awhile, but these days I mainly fire up the q3a demo for a quick internet game - too many other things going on these days - but doom 3, that should be worth buying a new computer for :-) Joe From elwoo at videotron.ca Thu Oct 23 17:46:06 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 13:46:06 -0400 Subject: Compiling NVIDIA driver for -ntpl kernel In-Reply-To: <1066911682.14954.1.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> References: <1F336C4559FF244A90D52EFEABE98AD607CC6F@nimo.nhpro.kw> <1066899876.8635.1.camel@pc-32.office.scali.no> <1066911682.14954.1.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> Message-ID: <200310231346.06531.elwoo@videotron.ca> On October 23, 2003 08:21 am, Christopher A. Williams , <"Christopher A. Williams" > wrote: > Yet another solution is to run the original NVidia installer program > with the parameter --add-this-kernel which will create a customized > version of the installer. Then use that one to install the drivers. Kindly pardon my ignorance: But is the command *precisely* "sh --add-this-kernel NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-4496-pkg2.run" OR " sh -add-{name of current kernel} etc..." I mean is "this-kernel" a placeholder for the current kernel, or should I type that command as shown? Thanks, Elton ;-) -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From elwoo at videotron.ca Thu Oct 23 17:52:49 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 13:52:49 -0400 Subject: Games doesent work in Fedora test 3 In-Reply-To: References: <3F95769F.3080502@linuxin.dk> <1066868624.25815.38.camel@earth.xades.com> Message-ID: <200310231352.49208.elwoo@videotron.ca> On October 23, 2003 04:39 am, Mike A. Harris , <"Mike A. Harris" > wrote: > rpm -e XFree86-Mesa-libGL --nodeps > > Normally the --nodeps would be strongly advised against for any > other command. In this case the idea is "We know we're > uninstalling this package intentionally because we are installing > an alternative package which provides the same functionality to > the applications that require this one". > > Then install the Nvidia stuff. Even then I believe they destroy > the XFree86 GLX module Mike, as you had advised previously, I remove the Mesa-libGL packages *after* any updates from up2date/rawhide, BUT *after* re-running the nVidia installer. Am I doing this ass-backwards? FYI, the Nvidia drivers work, but I wonder if my procedure in this case might have any bearing on this bug: #107652, which is a constant and regular crashing of nautilus on my system, when viewing graphics with eog... Elton. -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From operalover_99 at yahoo.com Thu Oct 23 18:09:14 2003 From: operalover_99 at yahoo.com (Michael Smith) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 11:09:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Battery Monitor Applet In-Reply-To: <1066923253.2216.36.camel@dbxwsd21> Message-ID: <20031023180914.7221.qmail@web11006.mail.yahoo.com> --- Will Backman wrote: > Anyone else using a laptop with the battery monitor > applet in Gnome? > Mine seems ok except for the fact that is always > says the percent > remaining and "high" even when the battery is low. > I'm at 25% now, it > is yellow, but still says "high". > > Anyone else getting this? > > -- Will > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list Will, The GNOME battery applet works OK on my Toshiba Tecra 555. It says "low" starting at 49%. Mike Smith __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From monty19 at hotmail.com Thu Oct 23 18:16:46 2003 From: monty19 at hotmail.com (Jason Montleon) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 14:16:46 -0400 Subject: ssh server for windows? Message-ID: Google is your friend: OpenSSH for Windows http://lexa.mckenna.edu/sshwindows/ Looks like he/they basically rip out the pieces of cygwin needed to run an OpenSSH server and fixes em up pertty. You can also download and install cygwin: http://www.cygwin.com http://www.redhat.com/software/cygwin Jason From operalover_99 at yahoo.com Thu Oct 23 18:22:49 2003 From: operalover_99 at yahoo.com (Michael Smith) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 11:22:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: NIH ImageJ fails under FC Message-ID: <20031023182249.31563.qmail@web11004.mail.yahoo.com> Hello All, NIH ImageJ (a scientific image analysis program) fails to run under Fedora Core 0.95 with the following error: error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory whereis does not find this file, but does find it on my Mandrake 9.1 box at: /usr/lib/libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so.2 I will also write to the ImageJ maintainers. This is a deal breaker for me as I use ImageJ almost every day. Thanks, Mike Smith __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From nosp at xades.com Thu Oct 23 18:31:10 2003 From: nosp at xades.com (nosp) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 19:31:10 +0100 Subject: Compiling NVIDIA driver for -ntpl kernel In-Reply-To: <200310231346.06531.elwoo@videotron.ca> References: <1F336C4559FF244A90D52EFEABE98AD607CC6F@nimo.nhpro.kw> <1066899876.8635.1.camel@pc-32.office.scali.no> <1066911682.14954.1.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> <200310231346.06531.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <1066933870.25815.67.camel@earth.xades.com> On Thu, 2003-10-23 at 18:46, Elton Woo wrote: > Kindly pardon my ignorance: But is the command *precisely* > "sh --add-this-kernel NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-4496-pkg2.run" > OR " sh -add-{name of current kernel} etc..." I mean is "this-kernel" > a placeholder for the current kernel, or should I type that command > as shown? http://www.minion.de/files/NVIDIA_kernel-1.0-4496.README --- Using the installer, installing the driver for kernels that aren't run at the time of the installation is easy: # uname -r 2.6.0-test3 # sh NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-4496-pkg0.run --kernel-name=2.6.0-test4 --- HTH From erik.orebro at telia.com Thu Oct 23 18:35:50 2003 From: erik.orebro at telia.com (Erik Englund) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 20:35:50 +0200 Subject: Compiling NVIDIA driver for -ntpl kernel In-Reply-To: <200310231346.06531.elwoo@videotron.ca> References: <1F336C4559FF244A90D52EFEABE98AD607CC6F@nimo.nhpro.kw> <1066899876.8635.1.camel@pc-32.office.scali.no> <1066911682.14954.1.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> <200310231346.06531.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <1066934149.3949.75.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2003-10-23 at 19:46, Elton Woo wrote: > Kindly pardon my ignorance: But is the command *precisely* > "sh --add-this-kernel NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-4496-pkg2.run" > OR " sh -add-{name of current kernel} etc..." I mean is "this-kernel" > a placeholder for the current kernel, or should I type that command > as shown? > > Thanks, > > Elton ;-) it is "sh --add-this-kernel NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-4496-pkg2.run" no need for change :) Erik From don.vanco at agilysys.com Thu Oct 23 18:38:52 2003 From: don.vanco at agilysys.com (Vanco, Don) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 14:38:52 -0400 Subject: unable to umount USB media in GNOME Message-ID: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=107844 Cannot unmount USB (CF) storage from in GNOME. If I mount removable media (I have a USB attached "6-in-1" media reader) while in GNOME I cannot umount until I log out. If I simply mount via an xterm and do _nothing_ else (not even an "ls") I can then not umount without getting a message similar to: umount2: Device or resource busy umount: /mnt/usb is busy I am NOT leaving any nautilus browsers open / focused on the mount point. I do NOT have any users in the mount "fuser" shows nada I can mount and unmount to my hearts content from command line on VC1 even if the GUI is logged in. Don From paul at frields.com Thu Oct 23 18:46:03 2003 From: paul at frields.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: 23 Oct 2003 14:46:03 -0400 Subject: NIH ImageJ fails under FC In-Reply-To: <20031023182249.31563.qmail@web11004.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20031023182249.31563.qmail@web11004.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1066934763.7290.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2003-10-23 at 14:22, Michael Smith wrote: > NIH ImageJ (a scientific image analysis program) fails > to run under Fedora Core 0.95 with the following > error: > > error while loading shared libraries: > libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so.2: cannot open shared object > file: No such file or directory I think this will cease to be a problem if you install the compat-libstdc++ RPM. -- Paul W. Frields From elwoo at videotron.ca Thu Oct 23 18:50:51 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 14:50:51 -0400 Subject: unable to umount USB media in GNOME In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200310231450.51626.elwoo@videotron.ca> On October 23, 2003 02:38 pm, Vanco, Don , <"Vanco, Don" > wrote: > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=107844 > > Cannot unmount USB (CF) storage from in GNOME. > If I mount removable media (I have a USB attached "6-in-1" media reader) > while in GNOME I cannot umount until I log out. If I simply mount via an > xterm and do _nothing_ else (not even an "ls") I can then not umount > without getting a message similar to: > umount2: Device or resource busy > umount: /mnt/usb is busy > > I am NOT leaving any nautilus browsers open / focused on the mount point. > I do NOT have any users in the mount > > "fuser" shows nada > > I can mount and unmount to my hearts content from command line on VC1 even > if the GUI is logged in. > Don ... sounds like a duplicate of *this* bug: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=106936 You might want to check out that report and the *other* duplicate bug #107174. Elton ;-) -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From teg at pvv.org Thu Oct 23 19:01:41 2003 From: teg at pvv.org (=?UTF-8?B?VHJvbmQgRWl2aW5kIEdsb21zcsO4ZA==?=) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 21:01:41 +0200 Subject: Compiling NVIDIA driver for -ntpl kernel In-Reply-To: <200310231346.06531.elwoo@videotron.ca> References: <1F336C4559FF244A90D52EFEABE98AD607CC6F@nimo.nhpro.kw> <1066899876.8635.1.camel@pc-32.office.scali.no> <1066911682.14954.1.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> <200310231346.06531.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <3F982595.5070708@pvv.org> Elton Woo wrote: >On October 23, 2003 08:21 am, Christopher A. Williams , <"Christopher A. >Williams" > wrote: > > > >>Yet another solution is to run the original NVidia installer program >>with the parameter --add-this-kernel which will create a customized >>version of the installer. Then use that one to install the drivers. >> >> > >Kindly pardon my ignorance: But is the command *precisely* >"sh --add-this-kernel NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-4496-pkg2.run" >OR " sh -add-{name of current kernel} etc..." I mean is "this-kernel" >a placeholder for the current kernel, or should I type that command >as shown? > > It would be "sh NVIDIA.... --add..." of course. Think about it... bash would try to run a non-existing '-add-this-kernel' file otherwise. That said, it this doesn't fix the problem, which is that the Nvidia building procedure will complain when the system compiler doesn't match what the kernel is built with. Do 'export CC=gcc32' to fix that. From don.vanco at agilysys.com Thu Oct 23 19:03:01 2003 From: don.vanco at agilysys.com (Vanco, Don) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 15:03:01 -0400 Subject: unable to umount USB media in GNOME Message-ID: Elton Woo wrote: > On October 23, 2003 02:38 pm, Vanco, Don , <"Vanco, Don" > > wrote: >> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=107844 >> >> Cannot unmount USB (CF) storage from in GNOME. >> If I mount removable media (I have a USB attached "6-in-1" media >> reader) while in GNOME I cannot umount until I log out. If I simply >> mount via an xterm and do _nothing_ else (not even an "ls") I can >> then not umount without getting a message similar to: >> umount2: Device or resource busy >> umount: /mnt/usb is busy >> >> I am NOT leaving any nautilus browsers open / focused on the mount >> point. I do NOT have any users in the mount >> >> "fuser" shows nada >> >> I can mount and unmount to my hearts content from command line on >> VC1 even if the GUI is logged in. Don > ... sounds like a duplicate of *this* bug: > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=106936 > You might want to check out that report and the *other* duplicate bug > #107174. Sure seems similar - other than the fact that fuser isn't returning anything for me (like 'fam' in the bug above). Don From sflory at rackable.com Thu Oct 23 19:08:30 2003 From: sflory at rackable.com (Samuel Flory) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 12:08:30 -0700 Subject: vote for Lilo In-Reply-To: <3F9595D6.8040608@eburg.com> References: <20031020190524.2618.qmail@web40302.mail.yahoo.com> <3F94462D.5050205@eburg.com> <3F947AAE.9020404@rackable.com> <3F9595D6.8040608@eburg.com> Message-ID: <3F98272E.4@rackable.com> Gordon Messmer wrote: > Samuel Flory wrote: > >> Gordon Messmer wrote: >> >>> Don't put /boot on a RAID partition... simple. I don't believe that >>> either Grub or LILO are going to work reliably on any RAID type other >>> than RAID 1. >> >> >> >> Lilo in RH 9 works great on RAID1 arrays. > > > That's what I said. Either Grub or LILO should work on RAID 1, but I > don't believe that either will work with RAID 0 or 5. > >> Unlike with grub the RH 9 installer installed lilo to both drives. > > > How'd it do that? I confess that I've not used RH 9 with LILO, but I'm > not aware of any special directives that would make that work. Lilo, > like grub is normally installed to the MBR of a drive. RAID devices > will not include that, so perhaps you installed to the superblock of > your partition? That should work with both grub and LILO, but both will > need another boot loader on the MBR to chain boot them from their > location at the superblock on the RAID partition. With lilo you simply give it the md device. (example "boot=/dev/md0") -- Once you have their hardware. Never give it back. (The First Rule of Hardware Acquisition) Sam Flory From teg at pvv.org Thu Oct 23 19:20:50 2003 From: teg at pvv.org (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Trond_Eivind_Glomsr=F8d?=) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 21:20:50 +0200 Subject: Compiling NVIDIA driver for -ntpl kernel In-Reply-To: <3F982595.5070708@pvv.org> References: <1F336C4559FF244A90D52EFEABE98AD607CC6F@nimo.nhpro.kw> <1066899876.8635.1.camel@pc-32.office.scali.no> <1066911682.14954.1.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> <200310231346.06531.elwoo@videotron.ca> <3F982595.5070708@pvv.org> Message-ID: <3F982A12.6080409@pvv.org> Trond Eivind Glomsr?d wrote: > Elton Woo wrote: > >> On October 23, 2003 08:21 am, Christopher A. Williams , <"Christopher >> A. Williams" > wrote: >> >> >> >>> Yet another solution is to run the original NVidia installer program >>> with the parameter --add-this-kernel which will create a customized >>> version of the installer. Then use that one to install the drivers. >>> >> >> >> Kindly pardon my ignorance: But is the command *precisely* >> "sh --add-this-kernel NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-4496-pkg2.run" >> OR " sh -add-{name of current kernel} etc..." I mean is "this-kernel" >> a placeholder for the current kernel, or should I type that command >> as shown? >> >> > It would be "sh NVIDIA.... --add..." of course. Think about it... bash > would try to run a non-existing > '-add-this-kernel' file otherwise. That said, it this doesn't fix the > problem, which is that the Nvidia building > procedure will complain when the system compiler doesn't match what > the kernel is built with. Do > 'export CC=gcc32' to fix that. Or rather, use the option itself. Which wouldn't make more sense, bash has no such option. From dstewart at atl.lmco.com Thu Oct 23 19:24:11 2003 From: dstewart at atl.lmco.com (Douglas Stewart) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 15:24:11 -0400 Subject: Suggestions for a good graphics card for RH9/Fedora? In-Reply-To: <20031023153826.88015.qmail@web40306.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20031023153826.88015.qmail@web40306.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3F982ADB.600@atl.lmco.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Globe Trotter wrote: | --- Douglas Stewart wrote: | |>-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- |>Hash: SHA1 |> |>Peter Boy wrote: |>| Am Do, den 23.10.2003 schrieb Globe Trotter um 16:43: |>| |>|>Thanks! I do have dual input and would like to use the DVI. Any |>suggestion with |>|>regard to the card memory? 128Mb or should I go all the way upto 256? |>| |>| |>| Unless your are a windows gamer 64 mb should be enough for a Linux box. |>| You can watch DVD, do video editing, and the usual stuff. I'm not shure, |>| but even Windows games currently don't use 128 mb (but I'm not a game |>| expert!). |>| |>| |>| |>| Peter |> |>Definitely take the 128MB. The performance boost over the 64MB cards |>is noticable. The performance tests that I've seen re: 128MB vs. 256MB |>GeForceFX cards have actually shown that the 256 can be SLOWER than the |>128 in many cases, so it's really not worth the extra money. |> |>For absolute stability and very good performance, I would look in to a |>128MB GeForce 4 Ti4600/Ti4800. The FX cards that I've tried (at least |>from PNY) have been flaky, at best. |> |>- -- | | | Thanks very much, both Peter and Doug. So, these cards are dual DVI/VGA | capable, right? And supported on RH9 and Fedora? As I mentioned before, I have | a DVI/VGA monitor (which I want to run as DVI) and is optimized at 1600x1200 | resolution. | | What is the difference between TI4600 and TI4800? Any specs within these that I | should consider while purchasing. Sorry if I appear dumb, but that is exactly | what I am:-) | | No, I am not a gamer, but I just don't want my card to become obsolete within a | year or with the Fedora Core 3 release. | | Thanks again and best wishes! | The Ti4600 and Ti4800 are the higher-clocked versions of nVidia's GeForce4 line. Check out the specs here: http://www.nvidia.com/page/geforce4ti.html Check pricewatch.com for good prices; I've seen the Ti4800 for as low as $120. - -- - ---------- Doug Stewart Systems Administrator/Web Applications Developer Lockheed Martin Advanced Technology Labs Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/mCrbN50Q8DVvcvkRAu6cAJ9MUNH8ug8/ii5H3oim2u/NtxVv4ACeMdV8 5KsspjpsAVQhyibPNarzSuk= =hZgi -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From zleite at mminternet.com Thu Oct 23 19:33:24 2003 From: zleite at mminternet.com (Z) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 12:33:24 -0700 Subject: Suggestions for a good graphics card for RH9/Fedora? In-Reply-To: <20031023054650.51043.qmail@web40303.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20031023054650.51043.qmail@web40303.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1066937604.6740.1.camel@Z> I use a radeon 8500 and it works just peachy with my DVI LCD panel. Highly recommended. On Wed, 2003-10-22 at 22:46, Globe Trotter wrote: > > > > Well I think the Radeon FireGL cards are very ancient. > > > > Can I get a suggestion for a good graphics card which will work on RH9/Fedora? > I have a Dell Dimension 650 Dual Processor with 2 3.06GHz Intel-4 processors > and it is hooked to a Dell 2000FP LCD screen. This latter can take a resolution > of 1600x1200 and it is indeed the optimal resolution. I want to be able to use > this. Currently, the graphics card, as I have written, is an ATI Radeon R300 NG > FireGL X1. This has been a nightmare. Though everything is three months old > here, I am now pretty ready to plonk down the money and get a good graphics > card for it. I am happy to pay top dollar but I don't want to get a graphics > card with some feature which does not work on a Linux system (which is my > definition of useless). Anyone have any suggestions? > Btw, if it matters, the memory on the dual processor is 2GB-ECC. > > Thanks! > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search > http://shopping.yahoo.com > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From xose at wanadoo.es Thu Oct 23 19:38:51 2003 From: xose at wanadoo.es (Xose Vazquez Perez) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 21:38:51 +0200 Subject: [OT] Re: Suggestions for a good graphics card for RH9/Fedora? References: <20031023054650.51043.qmail@web40303.mail.yahoo.com> <1066937604.6740.1.camel@Z> Message-ID: <3F982E4B.8030802@wanadoo.es> Z wrote: > I use a radeon 8500 and it works just peachy with my DVI LCD panel. > Highly recommended. It is doesn't highly recommendable, simply it's *the best* for FOSS. ;-) -- HTML mails are going to trash automatically From aph.p at online.fr Thu Oct 23 19:45:42 2003 From: aph.p at online.fr (AP) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 21:45:42 +0200 Subject: [FEDORA] Re: Realplayer In-Reply-To: <1065810738.1942.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <200310101422.h9AEMjH28730@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <200310101414.59378.elwoo@videotron.ca> <1065810738.1942.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <200310232145.42099@carola.nyarlathotep> Le Vendredi 10 Octobre 2003 20:32, Daniel Wittenberg a ?crit : > > I'm using RealOne Player (Realplayer9 for linux), > > RealPlayer9-9.0.7.151-4.i386.rpm. > > It is downloadable from HERE: > > What's the URL? :) http://www.cs.trinity.edu/ftp/pub/RedHat9-Software-Additions/ -- Cordialement From hoyt at cavtel.net Thu Oct 23 19:48:48 2003 From: hoyt at cavtel.net (HoytDuff) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 15:48:48 -0400 Subject: Compiling NVIDIA driver for -ntpl kernel In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200310231548.48427.hoyt@cavtel.net> On Thursday 23 October 2003 06:34 am, Botoaca Andrei wrote: > Ignore blablabla never worked for me ... instead do this, before compiling > the driver: write in the console where you start the install first this: > 'export CC=gcc32 CXX=g++32' > without the '' ... afterwards start the install and it will work, it had > always worked ... I understand CC=gcc32 What does CXX=g++32 do? -- Hoyt From teg at pvv.org Thu Oct 23 20:17:01 2003 From: teg at pvv.org (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Trond_Eivind_Glomsr=F8d?=) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 22:17:01 +0200 Subject: Compiling NVIDIA driver for -ntpl kernel In-Reply-To: <200310231548.48427.hoyt@cavtel.net> References: <200310231548.48427.hoyt@cavtel.net> Message-ID: <3F98373D.7010207@pvv.org> HoytDuff wrote: >On Thursday 23 October 2003 06:34 am, Botoaca Andrei wrote: > > >>Ignore blablabla never worked for me ... instead do this, before compiling >>the driver: write in the console where you start the install first this: >>'export CC=gcc32 CXX=g++32' >>without the '' ... afterwards start the install and it will work, it had >>always worked ... >> >> > >I understand CC=gcc32 > >What does CXX=g++32 do? > > It specifies the C++ compiler. Not necesarry for this, though. From blizzard at redhat.com Thu Oct 23 20:22:27 2003 From: blizzard at redhat.com (Christopher Blizzard) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 16:22:27 -0400 Subject: Mozilla 1.4.1 and http transfer oddities In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3F983883.8070805@redhat.com> Vanco, Don wrote: >Don't really know that I have enough information worthy of a bugzilla entry, >but I made several large file transfers yesterday via Mozilla (downloading >the RHEL3 ISOs) and had some real oddities. >1) file advertised as ~103MB downloaded over 200MB >2) files listed as XXX only downloaded a portion of XXX >3) one file that looked to be correct size (they only show MB, not actual >bits) failed MD5 > ... in all cases the download manager showed xfer as complete > ... in all cases wget got the files without issue > > I know that RH recommends curl or wget for these files, so I don't >even know if this is somewhat expected from this..... > > If you're seeing bugs and they are reproducable and externally available using moz, I would love to hear about them. --Chris -- ------------ Christopher Blizzard http://people.redhat.com/blizzard/ ------------ From maxer1 at xmission.com Thu Oct 23 20:49:01 2003 From: maxer1 at xmission.com (Frank Jacobberger) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 14:49:01 -0600 Subject: rawhide up2date-4.1.9-1 broke Message-ID: <3F983EBD.30902@xmission.com> up2date --nosig Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/share/rhn/up2date_client/gui.py", line 1368, in onChannelsPageNext self.pkgList = self.pList.getPackagesToInstall() File "/usr/share/rhn/up2date_client/packageList.py", line 520, in getPackagesToInstall result = self.__skipPackages(result) File "/usr/share/rhn/up2date_client/packageList.py", line 549, in __skipPackages packageList = self.__skipFiles(packageList) File "/usr/share/rhn/up2date_client/packageList.py", line 570, in __skipFiles ignoreMsgCallback = self.ignoreMsgCallback) File "/usr/share/rhn/up2date_client/packageList.py", line 609, in buildHeaderList hdr = headerList[pkg] File "/usr/share/rhn/up2date_client/headers.py", line 37, in __getitem__ self.__retrievePackage(item) File "/usr/share/rhn/up2date_client/headers.py", line 42, in __retrievePackage hdr, sourceType = rpcServer.doCall(self.repos.getHeader, item) File "/usr/share/rhn/up2date_client/rpcServer.py", line 109, in doCall ret = apply(method, args, kwargs) File "/usr/share/rhn/up2date_client/repoDirector.py", line 31, in getHeader return self.handlers[channel['type']].getHeader(pkg, msgCallback, progressCallback) File "/usr/share/rhn/up2date_client/rpmSource.py", line 210, in getHeader header = source.getHeader(pkg, progressCallback = progressCallback) File "/usr/share/rhn/up2date_client/repoBackends/yumRepo.py", line 94, in getHeader hdrBuf = fh.read() File "/usr/lib/python2.2/gzip.py", line 156, in read self._read(readsize) File "/usr/lib/python2.2/gzip.py", line 198, in _read self._read_gzip_header() File "/usr/lib/python2.2/gzip.py", line 110, in _read_gzip_header raise IOError, 'Not a gzipped file' IOError: Not a gzipped file Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/share/rhn/up2date_client/gui.py", line 1447, in onSkippedPagePrepare maxlength = max(map(lambda x: len(x[0][0]), self.skipPkgList)) * 8 ValueError: min() or max() arg is an empty sequence Up2date --nosig works up to one file or another then hangs raxet From pantz at lqt.ca Thu Oct 23 20:58:13 2003 From: pantz at lqt.ca (Paul Pianta) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 16:58:13 -0400 Subject: Newer ATI Radeon, ATI FireGL, and Nvidia GeForce/Quadro hardware support In-Reply-To: <20031023162845.49865.qmail@web40308.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20031023162845.49865.qmail@web40308.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3F9840E5.2010804@lqt.ca> Globe Trotter wrote: >By the way, netiquette says that a >follow-up message should be at the end of the post. I disagree with this, but >try to follow it in the rare instances I remember. > > lol so you obviously forgot this time ;) From andre at bwh.harvard.edu Thu Oct 23 21:05:11 2003 From: andre at bwh.harvard.edu (Andre Robatino) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 17:05:11 -0400 (EDT) Subject: rawhide up2date-4.1.9-1 broke In-Reply-To: <3F983EBD.30902@xmission.com> from "Frank Jacobberger" at Oct 23, 2003 02:49:01 PM Message-ID: <200310232105.h9NL5C621230@garfield.bwh.harvard.edu> > Up2date --nosig works up to one file or another then hangs > > raxet I would wait until Rawhide is pronounced fully restored before declaring up2date broken. I'm getting similar behavior, but was able to update all the packages except for librsvg2 and librsvg2-devel by either using up2date, or downloading from the FTP site and installing manually. When I try to install the librsvg2* packages I get the dependency error [root at localhost RPMS]# rpm -Fvh librsvg2-* error: Failed dependencies: libcrlayeng.so.1 is needed by librsvg2-2.4.0-2 libcroco.so.1 is needed by librsvg2-2.4.0-2 libcrseleng.so.1 is needed by librsvg2-2.4.0-2 and I don't know offhand what provides these. I have rpmdb-fedora installed (in fact it was one of the updates) but it doesn't seem to be doing its job. From alex at taipang.com Thu Oct 23 11:28:42 2003 From: alex at taipang.com (Alor) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 17:28:42 +0600 Subject: supermount or equiv? In-Reply-To: <01L263Q2H9S2002DFX@rcum.uni-mb.si> References: <01L263Q2H9S2002DFX@rcum.uni-mb.si> Message-ID: <200310231728.42219.alex@taipang.com> On Monday 20 October 2003 19:12, Neal D. Becker wrote: > Is there any support for automatically mounting a removable device, e.g., > cdrom, when media is inserted? Automatically mounting cdroms will be done, if in KDE on desktop by right clicking mouse create new CD/DVD-ROM device. Alor. From mhouston at gci.net Thu Oct 23 22:01:02 2003 From: mhouston at gci.net (Shawn Houston) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 14:01:02 -0800 Subject: Battery Monitor Applet In-Reply-To: <20031023180914.7221.qmail@web11006.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20031023180914.7221.qmail@web11006.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1066946462.28400.2.camel@mutt.home.pc> It does seem "sticky" at times. Mine will sometimes show plugged in when it is not, and unplugged when it is plugged in. -Shawn On Thu, 2003-10-23 at 10:09, Michael Smith wrote: > --- Will Backman wrote: > > Anyone else using a laptop with the battery monitor > > applet in Gnome? > > Mine seems ok except for the fact that is always > > says the percent > > remaining and "high" even when the battery is low. > > I'm at 25% now, it > > is yellow, but still says "high". > > > > Anyone else getting this? > > > > -- Will > > > > > > -- > > fedora-test-list mailing list > > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > > > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > Will, > > The GNOME battery applet works OK on my Toshiba Tecra > 555. It says "low" starting at 49%. > > Mike Smith > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search > http://shopping.yahoo.com > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From alan at redhat.com Thu Oct 23 22:07:25 2003 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 18:07:25 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Suggestions for a good graphics card for RH9/Fedora? In-Reply-To: <20031023054650.51043.qmail@web40303.mail.yahoo.com> from "Globe Trotter" at Hyd 22, 2003 10:46:50 Message-ID: <200310232207.h9NM7PG31442@devserv.devel.redhat.com> > of 1600x1200 and it is indeed the optimal resolution. I want to be able to use > this. Currently, the graphics card, as I have written, is an ATI Radeon R300 NG > FireGL X1. This has been a nightmare. Though everything is three months old I'm using a radeon 9100pro with the Dell panel DVI and its great. I don't need the gaming 3d stuff so I didnt bother with the expensive fancy cards. From alan at redhat.com Thu Oct 23 22:12:08 2003 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 18:12:08 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Speakup in kernel In-Reply-To: <20031023022907.GG23591@rednote.net> from "Janina Sajka" at Hyd 22, 2003 10:29:07 Message-ID: <200310232212.h9NMC8s01271@devserv.devel.redhat.com> > You say the kernel team were unhappy with the Speakup patch. Yet, it > transpires in cc's of mail since yesterday, that the author of Speakup > never received any communication from Red Hat about it. Which brings me > to my last point about fair. Fair is not about reading each others > minds. I certainly sent stuff. > absent from the updated kernels for 8.0. But nobody bothered to make > sure that Red Hat's concerns were documented properly and successfully > delivered. That's not fair in my book. No argument there, but with the number of packages and errata we deal with stuff does slip through cracks, especially when it involves complex stuff we really are not experts on. From felipe_alfaro at linuxmail.org Thu Oct 23 22:13:10 2003 From: felipe_alfaro at linuxmail.org (Felipe Alfaro Solana) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 00:13:10 +0200 Subject: rawhide up2date-4.1.9-1 broke In-Reply-To: <200310232105.h9NL5C621230@garfield.bwh.harvard.edu> References: <200310232105.h9NL5C621230@garfield.bwh.harvard.edu> Message-ID: <1066947190.3497.0.camel@teapot.felipe-alfaro.com> > I would wait until Rawhide is pronounced fully restored before declaring > up2date broken. I'm getting similar behavior, but was able to update all > the packages except for librsvg2 and librsvg2-devel by either using up2date, > or downloading from the FTP site and installing manually. When I try to > install the librsvg2* packages I get the dependency error > > [root at localhost RPMS]# rpm -Fvh librsvg2-* > error: Failed dependencies: > libcrlayeng.so.1 is needed by librsvg2-2.4.0-2 > libcroco.so.1 is needed by librsvg2-2.4.0-2 > libcrseleng.so.1 is needed by librsvg2-2.4.0-2 New librsvg2 also needs "libcroco". You'll need to download it and install before trying to upgrade librsvg2. From andre at bwh.harvard.edu Thu Oct 23 22:25:52 2003 From: andre at bwh.harvard.edu (Andre Robatino) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 18:25:52 -0400 (EDT) Subject: rawhide up2date-4.1.9-1 broke In-Reply-To: <1066947190.3497.0.camel@teapot.felipe-alfaro.com> from "Felipe Alfaro Solana" at Oct 24, 2003 12:13:10 AM Message-ID: <200310232225.h9NMPqu21458@garfield.bwh.harvard.edu> > > I would wait until Rawhide is pronounced fully restored before declaring > > up2date broken. I'm getting similar behavior, but was able to update all > > the packages except for librsvg2 and librsvg2-devel by either using up2date, > > or downloading from the FTP site and installing manually. When I try to > > install the librsvg2* packages I get the dependency error > > > > [root at localhost RPMS]# rpm -Fvh librsvg2-* > > error: Failed dependencies: > > libcrlayeng.so.1 is needed by librsvg2-2.4.0-2 > > libcroco.so.1 is needed by librsvg2-2.4.0-2 > > libcrseleng.so.1 is needed by librsvg2-2.4.0-2 > > New librsvg2 also needs "libcroco". You'll need to download it and > install before trying to upgrade librsvg2. Thanks, that worked. I was able to get up2date to the point where it listed the two librsvg2* packages, but then it hung for a while and then started downloading the .hdr files for every existing package, so I had to kill it. From alan at redhat.com Thu Oct 23 22:32:38 2003 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 18:32:38 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Please tell me how I am to know when grub is available to me? In-Reply-To: from "cantisan" at Hyd 22, 2003 01:04:02 Message-ID: <200310232232.h9NMWcZ10009@devserv.devel.redhat.com> > I read some Grub documentation and I think there are no > way to know... Is it true Alan ? I am not aware of any way to do this. How does this work with other tools like lilo -? From alan at redhat.com Thu Oct 23 22:40:56 2003 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 18:40:56 -0400 (EDT) Subject: lilo vs grub In-Reply-To: from "Alexandre Oliva" at Hyd 22, 2003 01:59:47 Message-ID: <200310232240.h9NMeuE14467@devserv.devel.redhat.com> > > Uhh.. is this really a problem? If you re-add a disk after a failure, I'd > > suppose the user would be intelligent enough to change the boot sequence > > in the bios to actually skip hda :-). > > Which may then change the disk numbering, or may not, depending on the > BIOS. > It can do that but its unusual that it does. The IDE layer looks for the primary and secondary controllers in very defined ways. SCSI is another matter. From alan at redhat.com Thu Oct 23 22:46:50 2003 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 18:46:50 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Speakup in kernel In-Reply-To: from "William F. Acker WB2FLW +1-303-722-7209" at Hyd 21, 2003 08:06:56 Message-ID: <200310232246.h9NMkoF17547@devserv.devel.redhat.com> > On Tue, 21 Oct 2003, Alan Cox wrote: > > > The questions about things like the removal of serial ports from new PC's > > have to be answered meaningfully > Is it at all likely that add-on serial cards will disappear as well? I've no idea. If you talk to some of the vendors at the low end they are dreaming of a box that is sealed, has an external "brick" PSU, no slots, and lots of USB connectors. Thats how they take the next downward step in costs. It means easier safety tests, easier emissions tests and so on. In general the changes to the PC definitions vendors work from which are produced each year no longer need serial ports to be present, what vendors do is harder to guess. They tried to kill the serial port before but palm stuff got really popular just before they moved 8) What someone with the disabled experience ought to do is talk to people like Intel about disabled output support standards for the EFI (BIOS replacement) firmware standards they are working on, or within ACPI. [Or if this stuff already exists let us know about it] From alan at redhat.com Thu Oct 23 22:53:15 2003 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 18:53:15 -0400 (EDT) Subject: lilo vs grub In-Reply-To: from "Alexandre Oliva" at Hyd 21, 2003 07:35:22 Message-ID: <200310232253.h9NMrFi21651@devserv.devel.redhat.com> > it right, and worked. But then, I want to replace the broken hda. So > I insert a new disk there, and voila, can't reboot. Same if you shoot the machine with a rocket propelled grenade. The PC isnt idiot proof. Users do care it survives the disk fail, managing the disk replacement is easily done, and as I said this was a real commercial project and it worked a treat. The replacement disk was already bootable when inserted From peterr at opensystems.net.au Thu Oct 23 23:10:23 2003 From: peterr at opensystems.net.au (Peter Robinson) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 07:10:23 +0800 (WST) Subject: Newer ATI Radeon, ATI FireGL, and Nvidia GeForce/Quadro hardwaresupport In-Reply-To: <20031023154452.GM1528@redhat.com> References: <001701c39917$944b3480$c869fea9@pbr> <20031023154452.GM1528@redhat.com> Message-ID: <53802.203.161.104.72.1066950623.squirrel@www.opensystems.net.au> > On Thu, Oct 23, 2003 at 11:41:17AM +0800, Peter Robinson wrote: > > > Yay, any chance of getting the nvidia gpl agp nforce drivers as part of an > > updated kernel package that's released at the same time? The 2.4.20 kernel > > that comes with 9 just missed out on the driver for this (I think it was > > included with the 2.4.21 kernel) > > As FC is based on 2.4.22, this is already included. I realise that, I was hoping for it to be backported to th RH9 kernel when the release of the XFree86 done for RH9 as mentioned in the initial post. Peter From jkeating at j2solutions.net Thu Oct 23 23:19:12 2003 From: jkeating at j2solutions.net (Jesse Keating) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 16:19:12 -0700 Subject: Newer ATI Radeon, ATI FireGL, and Nvidia GeForce/Quadro hardwaresupport In-Reply-To: <53802.203.161.104.72.1066950623.squirrel@www.opensystems.net.au> References: <001701c39917$944b3480$c869fea9@pbr> <20031023154452.GM1528@redhat.com> <53802.203.161.104.72.1066950623.squirrel@www.opensystems.net.au> Message-ID: <200310231619.12594.jkeating@j2solutions.net> On Thursday 23 October 2003 16:10, Peter Robinson wrote: > I realise that, I was hoping for it to be backported to th RH9 kernel > when the release of the XFree86 done for RH9 as mentioned in the > initial post. Why not just run the FC kernel on RHL9? Installs/runs just fine. -- Jesse Keating RHCE MCSE (geek.j2solutions.net) Fedora Legacy Team (www.fedora.us/wiki/FedoraLegacy) Mondo DevTeam (www.mondorescue.org) GPG Public Key (geek.j2solutions.net/jkeating.j2solutions.pub) Was I helpful? Let others know: http://svcs.affero.net/rm.php?r=jkeating -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: signature URL: From res at ausics.net Thu Oct 23 23:21:35 2003 From: res at ausics.net (Res) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 09:21:35 +1000 (EST) Subject: PROFTPD In-Reply-To: <200310230907.42211.jkeating@j2solutions.net> References: <20031021051124.GB18150@prince.homelinux.org> <200310230907.42211.jkeating@j2solutions.net> Message-ID: On Thu, 23 Oct 2003, Jesse Keating wrote: > On Thursday 23 October 2003 06:29, Res wrote: > > ProFTPd has always had a good security track record, RH used to > > include it years ago (ok i think it was only on the contrib tho), > > when it also included the biggest security nightmare every ftp admin > > has 'wu-ftpd', they dropped proftpd but kept wu-ftpd, that just made > > absolute no sense at all, I feel there is more to it and RH wont say > > (at least publicly) why :) > > Wu was dropped in 9. Probably just an oversite, or a deprecated term to > have it in 8.0. Yes, I refused to use it in years so I stopped taking notice of it, moved to proftpd (because RH included it) and stuck with it, vsftp is on hte anon server because it was a fresh install and it's not doin anything special :) I spose it comes down to what we all prefere. As someone pointed out 34 vulns for proftpd over how many years, as against 3 or 4 or vsftp but how new is that, and of course the fact that vsftpd is a plain as you can get, there is SFA code in it to go wrong, where advanced servers, obviously have higher risk of exploits. -- Regards, Res Network Administrator Postmaster / Abusemaster / Flamemaster http://www.ausics.net Australian Hosting Services From res at ausics.net Thu Oct 23 23:23:26 2003 From: res at ausics.net (Res) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 09:23:26 +1000 (EST) Subject: PROFTPD In-Reply-To: <4383.12.29.16.103.1066926217.squirrel@12.29.16.103> References: <20031021051124.GB18150@prince.homelinux.org><20031021133752.B4312@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <3F96570C.2040200@vlugnet.org><20031022112929.A27953@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <4383.12.29.16.103.1066926217.squirrel@12.29.16.103> Message-ID: On Thu, 23 Oct 2003, William Hooper wrote: > > History of discovered exploits (you do realize they are in the code before > they are "discovered", right?) is no indication of exploits that currently > exist. *yawn* really? oh no gee i thought they just popped in there -- Regards, Res Network Administrator Postmaster / Abusemaster / Flamemaster http://www.ausics.net Australian Hosting Services From peterr at opensystems.net.au Thu Oct 23 23:40:16 2003 From: peterr at opensystems.net.au (Peter Robinson) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 07:40:16 +0800 (WST) Subject: Newer ATI Radeon, ATI FireGL, and Nvidia GeForce/Quadro hardwaresupport In-Reply-To: <200310231619.12594.jkeating@j2solutions.net> References: <001701c39917$944b3480$c869fea9@pbr> <20031023154452.GM1528@redhat.com> <53802.203.161.104.72.1066950623.squirrel@www.opensystems.net.au> <200310231619.12594.jkeating@j2solutions.net> Message-ID: <54187.203.161.104.72.1066952416.squirrel@www.opensystems.net.au> > On Thursday 23 October 2003 16:10, Peter Robinson wrote: >> I realise that, I was hoping for it to be backported to th RH9 kernel >> when the release of the XFree86 done for RH9 as mentioned in the >> initial post. > > Why not just run the FC kernel on RHL9? Installs/runs just fine. I've thought about it but its my production box and while I'll run just about anything on my laptop and build box I'm a little more reserved on that one but when the new X comes out for rh9 I may just be too tempted. Pete -------------------------------------------------------------- Peter Robinson Senior Consultant Open Systems Support peterr at opensystems.net.au 97 Broadway, Nedlands WA 6009 Ph (08) 92848777 Fax (08) 93869833 From jwendel at fnmoc.navy.mil Thu Oct 23 23:47:38 2003 From: jwendel at fnmoc.navy.mil (John Wendel) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 16:47:38 -0700 Subject: Problem building custom kernel Message-ID: <20031023164738.11fa8a03.jwendel@fnmoc.navy.mil> Install 2.4.22-1.2097 kernel sources rpm cd /usr/src/linux-2.4 make menuconfig make dep make bzImage Got some strange error complaining about unresolved ref to "active_load_balance" Decided to start over... make mrproper make oldconfig make dep make bzImage Worked perfectly ! Seems to me that the rpm contains some crap, or the install should run "mrproper". Or maybe I'm just not doing the right thing to build the kernel ? Any clues for the clueless will be appreciated. Regards, -- John From don.vanco at agilysys.com Thu Oct 23 23:53:36 2003 From: don.vanco at agilysys.com (Vanco, Don) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 19:53:36 -0400 Subject: Problem building custom kernel Message-ID: starting with "make mrproper" has been the recomended course since 7.2 or 7.3 IIRC Don -----Original Message----- From: John Wendel [mailto:jwendel at fnmoc.navy.mil] Sent: Thu 10/23/2003 7:47 PM To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com Cc: Subject: Problem building custom kernel Install 2.4.22-1.2097 kernel sources rpm cd /usr/src/linux-2.4 make menuconfig make dep make bzImage Got some strange error complaining about unresolved ref to "active_load_balance" Decided to start over... make mrproper make oldconfig make dep make bzImage Worked perfectly ! Seems to me that the rpm contains some crap, or the install should run "mrproper". Or maybe I'm just not doing the right thing to build the kernel ? Any clues for the clueless will be appreciated. Regards, -- John -- fedora-test-list mailing list fedora-test-list at redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From christoph.wickert at web.de Thu Oct 23 23:57:43 2003 From: christoph.wickert at web.de (Christoph Wickert) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 01:57:43 +0200 Subject: ftp links in Evolution Message-ID: <1066953463.8379.5.camel@hal9000.lokales.netz> Hi! ftp links in Evolution don't work on my system. try ftp://people.redhat.com/ Nothing found in Bugzilla. File a report? How to associate an application with ftp://? Regards Christoph -- Christoph Wickert From jwendel at fnmoc.navy.mil Fri Oct 24 00:03:59 2003 From: jwendel at fnmoc.navy.mil (John Wendel) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 17:03:59 -0700 Subject: Kernel build question Message-ID: <20031023170359.0bf148d1.jwendel@fnmoc.navy.mil> Just exploring the filesystem and noticed something I'm curious about. Could someone explain the reason for storing the uncompressed kernel (vmlinux) in the lib/modules/ directory? What uses this kernel? I noticed that my custom kernel, installed by "make install" didn't put a copy of vmlinux in the modules directory. Should I do it? Thanks. -- John Wendel From notting at redhat.com Fri Oct 24 00:18:11 2003 From: notting at redhat.com (Bill Nottingham) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 20:18:11 -0400 Subject: Kudzu mouse detect In-Reply-To: <3F979F77.9020205@tech-access.com>; from seanc@tech-access.com on Thu, Oct 23, 2003 at 01:29:27PM +0400 References: <3F928ABA.5000004@tech-access.com> <1066579551.13416.38.camel@ripley> <20031020010255.C1267@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <3F939507.2090605@tech-access.com> <20031020165541.E31799@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <3F979F77.9020205@tech-access.com> Message-ID: <20031023201811.C17835@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Sean Craig (seanc at tech-access.com) said: > Why would X have a device open if it's not configured to use that > device? It's not that X has it open if it's not using, but if X is running, you can't distinguish a negative from a) the hardware not being there or b) X having it open. Bill From notting at redhat.com Fri Oct 24 00:20:16 2003 From: notting at redhat.com (Bill Nottingham) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 20:20:16 -0400 Subject: PROFTPD In-Reply-To: ; from res@ausics.net on Thu, Oct 23, 2003 at 11:29:22PM +1000 References: <20031021051124.GB18150@prince.homelinux.org> <20031021133752.B4312@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <3F96570C.2040200@vlugnet.org> <20031022112929.A27953@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20031023202016.D17835@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Res (res at ausics.net) said: > ProFTPd has always had a good security track record, RH used to > include it years ago (ok i think it was only on the contrib tho), when it > also included the biggest security nightmare every ftp admin > has 'wu-ftpd', they dropped proftpd but kept wu-ftpd, that just made > absolute no sense at all, I feel there is more to it and RH wont say (at > least publicly) why :) It was in powertools in 6.0, and 6.0 only. Powertools was EOL'd. Bill From notting at redhat.com Fri Oct 24 00:22:09 2003 From: notting at redhat.com (Bill Nottingham) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 20:22:09 -0400 Subject: rawhide update In-Reply-To: <20031023075431.GE24349@shitake.truemesh.com>; from pauln@truemesh.com on Thu, Oct 23, 2003 at 08:54:33AM +0100 References: <20031022233431.B23502@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <20031023075431.GE24349@shitake.truemesh.com> Message-ID: <20031023202209.E17835@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Paul Nasrat (pauln at truemesh.com) said: > > |-> headers -- headers for use by yum > > |-> i386 > > | |----> Fedora > > | | |----> RPMS -- binary packages > > | | `----> base -- information used by the installler > > | |----> debug -- debuginfo RPMs > > Will this mean that there will be yum headers for debuginfo packages? > Would this be in the same header file for packages or would it be a > separate yum target? It's in the same header file. Bill From notting at redhat.com Fri Oct 24 00:22:32 2003 From: notting at redhat.com (Bill Nottingham) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 20:22:32 -0400 Subject: rawhide update In-Reply-To: <200310230606.01282.czar@czarc.net>; from czar@czarc.net on Thu, Oct 23, 2003 at 06:06:01AM -0400 References: <20031022233431.B23502@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <200310230606.01282.czar@czarc.net> Message-ID: <20031023202232.F17835@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Gene C. (czar at czarc.net) said: > > top level directory > > > > `|-> SRPMS -- source packages > > |-> headers -- headers for use by yum > > |-> i386 > > | |----> Fedora > > | | |----> RPMS -- binary packages > > | | `----> base -- information used by the installler > > | |----> debug -- debuginfo RPMs > > | |----> images -- boot and ramdisk images > > | `----> isolinux/dosutils/etc -- other directories as needed per arch > > ... repeat i386 structure for ia64, ppc, ppc64, s390, s390x, and x86_64 > > I assume that this new structure will support src.rpm packages being handled > by up2date ... is this correct? > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=107405 It's not as much of a structure thing as requiring some up2date tweaks, as I recall. Bill From janina at rednote.net Fri Oct 24 00:26:09 2003 From: janina at rednote.net (Janina Sajka) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 20:26:09 -0400 Subject: Speakup in kernel In-Reply-To: <200310232246.h9NMkoF17547@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <200310232246.h9NMkoF17547@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20031024002609.GE29288@rednote.net> Alan Cox writes: > From: Alan Cox > > > On Tue, 21 Oct 2003, Alan Cox wrote: > > > > > The questions about things like the removal of serial ports from new PC's > > > have to be answered meaningfully > > Is it at all likely that add-on serial cards will disappear as well? > > I've no idea. If you talk to some of the vendors at the low end they are > dreaming of a box that is sealed, has an external "brick" PSU, no slots, > and lots of USB connectors. Thats how they take the next downward > step in costs. It means easier safety tests, easier emissions tests and > so on. > > In general the changes to the PC definitions vendors work from which are > produced each year no longer need serial ports to be present, what vendors > do is harder to guess. They tried to kill the serial port before but palm > stuff got really popular just before they moved 8) > > What someone with the disabled experience ought to do is talk to people > like Intel about disabled output support standards for the EFI (BIOS > replacement) firmware standards they are working on, or within ACPI. > [Or if this stuff already exists let us know about it] Good suggestion. Thank you. I'm not aware anything exists at that level. What we're trying to do in one FSG Accessibility sub-committee is to define the needs from bios up through the desktop in terms of what kinds of devices need to be supported. At the desktop end the requirements are a bit different, except perhaps that the user experience neds to be seemless. The point of talking in a sub-committee about this is to get the needs coordinated so we can make one considered approach to the various groups that need to be approached, rather thandribble these things in a haphazard way. > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list -- Janina Sajka Email: janina at rednote.net Phone: (202) 408-8175 Director, Technology Research and Development American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) http://www.afb.org Chair, Accessibility Work Group Free Standards Group http://accessibility.freestandards.org From cantisan at bol.com.br Fri Oct 24 00:26:23 2003 From: cantisan at bol.com.br (gsc) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 22:26:23 -0200 Subject: Mozilla 1.4.1 and http transfer oddities Message-ID: <3F9871AF.5050009@bol.com.br> I never download large files using mozilla download manager... From janina at rednote.net Fri Oct 24 00:28:48 2003 From: janina at rednote.net (Janina Sajka) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 20:28:48 -0400 Subject: Speakup in kernel In-Reply-To: <200310232212.h9NMC8s01271@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <20031023022907.GG23591@rednote.net> <200310232212.h9NMC8s01271@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20031024002848.GF29288@rednote.net> Alan Cox writes: > From: Alan Cox > > > You say the kernel team were unhappy with the Speakup patch. Yet, it > > transpires in cc's of mail since yesterday, that the author of Speakup > > never received any communication from Red Hat about it. Which brings me > > to my last point about fair. Fair is not about reading each others > > minds. > > I certainly sent stuff. > > > absent from the updated kernels for 8.0. But nobody bothered to make > > sure that Red Hat's concerns were documented properly and successfully > > delivered. That's not fair in my book. > > No argument there, but with the number of packages and errata we deal with > stuff does slip through cracks, especially when it involves complex stuff > we really are not experts on. > > Fair enough, Alan. I'm glad we have that resolved now. > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list -- Janina Sajka Email: janina at rednote.net Phone: (202) 408-8175 Director, Technology Research and Development American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) http://www.afb.org Chair, Accessibility Work Group Free Standards Group http://accessibility.freestandards.org From notting at redhat.com Fri Oct 24 00:29:29 2003 From: notting at redhat.com (Bill Nottingham) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 20:29:29 -0400 Subject: kudzu and gui boot don't mix In-Reply-To: <002101c39983$02b9c380$9100000a@intgrp.com>; from eric@interplas.com on Thu, Oct 23, 2003 at 12:30:45PM -0400 References: <002101c39983$02b9c380$9100000a@intgrp.com> Message-ID: <20031023202929.H17835@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Eric Wood (eric at interplas.com) said: > I put in a new nic card, and the gui didn't switch to kudzu (text-mode) > wanting me to remove/add configure, blah, blah. Kudzu simply timed-out > (behind the scenes). > > No biggie, just wondering if this has been addressed. Reported, and fixed in kudzu-1.1.35-1/rhgb-0.11.x. Bill From ryanpg at yahoo.com Fri Oct 24 00:47:59 2003 From: ryanpg at yahoo.com (Ryan G.) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 17:47:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: gnome-panel (does havoc read this list? ;-) In-Reply-To: <20031024001802.25666.15778.Mailman@listman.back-rdu.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20031024004759.13966.qmail@web10008.mail.yahoo.com> Hi all, Wonder if the gnome-panel is going to get any needed attention soon... I'm configured to have things looking like osx's dock, i.e. autohide, no expand, menus and launchers added. Now here's what I'm seeing, how bout everyone else? -Every menu added to the panel has the mouse over lable "Main Menu" -Show hide buttons option should remove all decoration from the panel edge (what use are the handles), what does one do if they want NO decorations at the edges of the panel? -Drawers are completely buggy. if panel hiding is enabled, drawers open up without being clicked... this one is quite annoying since it prevents me from using drawers! -drawer_autoclose toggle in gconf-editor does nothing -order of icons/launchers/applets change randomly even if "locked" -occasionally panel gets "stuck unhid" need to open and close a menu to re-hide it -Unable to edit menu items, get an; "Cannot save changes to launcher Details: Error writing file 'applications:/Multimedia/planetccrma-rtmix.desktop': Read-only file system" -some settings seem to get lost periodically (i.e. auto_hide_size) Maybe I'm spoiled by osx's dock. Even so these panel bugs seem to be getting NO attention on the list. Thanks all, -ry ===== --r-- From grant at tuins.ac.jp Fri Oct 24 01:06:18 2003 From: grant at tuins.ac.jp (rg) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 10:06:18 +0900 Subject: gnome-panel (does havoc read this list? ;-) In-Reply-To: <20031024004759.13966.qmail@web10008.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20031024004759.13966.qmail@web10008.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3F987B0A.7070807@tuins.ac.jp> > > >Maybe I'm spoiled by osx's dock. Even so these panel bugs seem to be >getting NO attention on the list. > > Customization and Art matters seem to be a low priority here. rg > > From joe at tmsusa.com Fri Oct 24 01:13:10 2003 From: joe at tmsusa.com (joe) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 18:13:10 -0700 Subject: Newer ATI Radeon, ATI FireGL, and Nvidia GeForce/Quadro hardwaresupport In-Reply-To: <200310231619.12594.jkeating@j2solutions.net> References: <001701c39917$944b3480$c869fea9@pbr> <20031023154452.GM1528@redhat.com> <53802.203.161.104.72.1066950623.squirrel@www.opensystems.net.au> <200310231619.12594.jkeating@j2solutions.net> Message-ID: <3F987CA6.90105@tmsusa.com> Jesse Keating wrote: >On Thursday 23 October 2003 16:10, Peter Robinson wrote: > > >>I realise that, I was hoping for it to be backported to th RH9 kernel >>when the release of the XFree86 done for RH9 as mentioned in the >>initial post. >> >> > >Why not just run the FC kernel on RHL9? Installs/runs just fine. > > Really? hmm, that's an interesting idea, certainly on my workstation boxes - Do you see any performance improvements doing that, or is FC t3's snappiness striclty due to other factors besides the kernel? Joe From itsme_410 at yahoo.com Fri Oct 24 01:21:16 2003 From: itsme_410 at yahoo.com (Globe Trotter) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 18:21:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: how to use lilo? Message-ID: <20031024012116.21616.qmail@web40306.mail.yahoo.com> can someone shed light on how to use lilo with fedora (if the real thing will not have it as an option)? i have the rpms but how do i force it to use lilo instead of blinking at the GRUB command? __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From elwoo at videotron.ca Fri Oct 24 01:22:58 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 21:22:58 -0400 Subject: Compiling NVIDIA driver for -ntpl kernel In-Reply-To: <3F982595.5070708@pvv.org> References: <1F336C4559FF244A90D52EFEABE98AD607CC6F@nimo.nhpro.kw> <200310231346.06531.elwoo@videotron.ca> <3F982595.5070708@pvv.org> Message-ID: <200310232122.58583.elwoo@videotron.ca> On October 23, 2003 03:01 pm, Trond Eivind Glomsr?d , > wrote: > It would be "sh NVIDIA.... --add..." of course. Think about it... bash > would try to run a non-existing > '-add-this-kernel' file otherwise. That said, it this doesn't fix the > problem, which is that the Nvidia building > procedure will complain when the system compiler doesn't match what the > kernel is built with. Do > 'export CC=gcc32' to fix that. ... which is what I've been doing all the time: "export_IGNORE_CC=1", and now preferably, I use: export CC=gcc32. Elton ;-) -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From fedora at andrewfarris.com Fri Oct 24 01:24:22 2003 From: fedora at andrewfarris.com (Andrew Farris) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 18:24:22 -0700 Subject: gnome-panel (does havoc read this list? ;-) In-Reply-To: <3F987B0A.7070807@tuins.ac.jp> References: <20031024004759.13966.qmail@web10008.mail.yahoo.com> <3F987B0A.7070807@tuins.ac.jp> Message-ID: <1066958662.3246.12.camel@CirithUngol> Supply more than dissatisfaction with the list content, you make it worse. If you want to see information about a topic, put it here. Your emails ARE the list. I have been having issues with gnome-panel drawers, in particular the items I add to them become inactive (no properties, no button, no way to remove them, the context menu contains main drawer properties instead). This occurs after the first time I use the new item, prior to which I can edit the properties or move the item in the drawer. As issues like this are specific to gnome, it would be a good idea to bring them up there first however. An issue like that is *most* likely in gnome and not redhat's packaging. On Thu, 2003-10-23 at 18:06, rg wrote: > > > > > >Maybe I'm spoiled by osx's dock. Even so these panel bugs seem to be > >getting NO attention on the list. > > > > > Customization and Art matters seem to be a low priority here. > > rg > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list -- Andrew Farris From seandarcy at hotmail.com Fri Oct 24 01:25:25 2003 From: seandarcy at hotmail.com (sean darcy) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 21:25:25 -0400 Subject: laptop dhcp fails on severn Message-ID: I'm running a laptop with 2 pcmcia network cards on severn. One card ( A ) is connected to a cable modem - optimum online - the other ( B ) to the lan. ool uses dhcp, so A is set to uses dhcp. All worked great, until severn. dhcp no longer works. I've switched the cards. Both work on the lan with static ip addresses. I've flushed iptables. I even brought in another laptop. Same result. But...if I connect ool directly to a severn workstation, it works fine. So it's only laptops. Something's screwed up. Don't think it's dhclient or dhcpd - tried both. Here's a snippet from ethereal of traffic over the card. It's sending out discovers and getting back offers. But it doesn't seem to see them. Is dhclient responsible for seeing them? Since the workstation had the same dhclient rpm, I assume it's a network script problem related to pcmcia. Does anyone have a pcmcia network card that works with dhcp under severn? I sure don't. thanks for any help No. Time Source Destination Protocol Info 1 0.000000 Cisco_e3:81:56 Broadcast ARP Who has 24.44.12.158? Tell 24.44.8.1 2 0.128525 Cisco_e3:81:56 Broadcast ARP Who has 24.44.10.242? Tell 24.44.8.1 3 0.207890 Cisco_e3:81:56 Broadcast ARP Who has 67.86.253.152? Tell 67.86.240.1 ................. 43 5.515039 10.122.208.1 255.255.255.255 DHCP DHCP Offer - Transaction ID 0x1800 44 5.684118 10.122.208.1 255.255.255.255 DHCP DHCP ACK - Transaction ID 0x1800 .............. 97 12.765007 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.255 DHCP DHCP Discover - Transaction ID 0x76db9156 ............ 120 15.956841 10.122.208.1 255.255.255.255 DHCP DHCP Offer - Transaction ID 0xfffffba0 121 16.049819 10.122.208.1 255.255.255.255 DHCP DHCP ACK - Transaction ID 0xfffffba0 ............. 198 27.228633 10.122.208.1 255.255.255.255 DHCP DHCP Offer - Transaction ID 0xffffc490 199 27.318397 10.122.208.1 255.255.255.255 DHCP DHCP ACK - Transaction ID 0xffffc490 200 27.418549 Cisco_e3:81:56 Broadcast ARP DHCP Discover - Transaction ID 0x76db9156 ........................... 202 27.698475 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.255 DHCP DHCP Discover - Transaction ID 0x76db9156 .......................... 291 40.699363 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.255 DHCP DHCP Discover - Transaction ID 0x76db9156 ........................ 405 56.120297 Xircom_37:6c:9e Broadcast ARP Who has 67.86.240.1? Tell 67.86.243.131 ............................... 416 57.119705 67.86.243.131 67.86.240.1 ICMP Echo (ping) request ........................... 428 58.119779 67.86.243.131 67.86.240.1 ICMP Echo (ping) request .................... 435 59.119946 67.86.243.131 67.86.240.1 ICMP Echo (ping) request ................... 441 60.119855 67.86.243.131 67.86.240.1 ICMP Echo (ping) request .................................... 446 61.119908 67.86.243.131 67.86.240.1 ICMP Echo (ping) request .............................. 453 62.119980 67.86.243.131 67.86.240.1 ICMP Echo (ping) request ............................... 460 63.120081 67.86.243.131 67.86.240.1 ICMP Echo (ping) request .......................... 471 64.120133 67.86.243.131 67.86.240.1 ICMP Echo (ping) request .................................. 479 65.120222 67.86.243.131 67.86.240.1 ICMP Echo (ping) request ....................... _________________________________________________________________ Send instant messages to anyone on your contact list with MSN Messenger 6.0. Try it now FREE! http://msnmessenger-download.com From itsme_410 at yahoo.com Fri Oct 24 01:28:13 2003 From: itsme_410 at yahoo.com (Globe Trotter) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 18:28:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: problems using grub In-Reply-To: <3F9734E9.6060409@speakeasy.net> Message-ID: <20031024012813.22463.qmail@web40306.mail.yahoo.com> --- Robert L Cochran wrote: > > If you are doing RAID1, then in your grub.conf file entry: > > kernel /vmlinuz-2.4.22-1.2097.nptl ro root=/dev/md1 > initrd /initrd-2.4.22-1.2097.nptl.img > By the way, I tried this out and nothing happened!! Still the blinking lights after grub.....but then I did it by hand and ended up getting a kernel-panic.... df -h gives the following: Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on /dev/hde5 2.9G 2.3G 547M 81% / /dev/hde1 2.0G 33M 1.9G 2% /new none 251M 0 251M 0% /dev/shm /dev/hde6 40G 1.8G 36G 5% /usr/local timeout=10 splashimage=(hd0,6)/boot/grub/splash.xpm.gz title Fedora Core (2.4.22-1.2088.nptlsmp) root (hd0,6) kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.4.22-1.2088.nptlsmp ro root=/dev/hdg1 initrd /boot/initrd-2.4.22-1.2088.nptlsmp.img title Fedora Core (2.4.22-1.2088.nptlsmp) root (hd0,6) kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.4.22-1.2088.nptl ro root=/dev/hdg1 initrd /boot/initrd-2.4.22-1.2088.nptl.img For whatever it is worth, my software RAID1 is on /dev/hdg1. Thanks! __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From redhat-jc at insight.rr.com Fri Oct 24 02:07:20 2003 From: redhat-jc at insight.rr.com (Jim Cornette) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 22:07:20 -0400 Subject: kernel text washed out on one test 3 version, OK on other Message-ID: <3F988958.4070901@insight.rr.com> On initial kernel startup on the same machine. One gets washed out text (clean install) but the other boots alright (upgrade) on the same computer. Clean Install: I get poor text quality printed to the screen when the kernel first starts loading. This is on a clean install. The upgraded version of test 3, does not wash out. (text blended in with a lot of screen white, instead of normal dark screen with white text.) Both versions have seperate boot partitions and are seperated, except for one common directory. Jim Unrelated but curious: I have a creative Jukebox Nomad 2 and am wondering if anyone has gotten a similar device to work in Linux. Another question. Is there a Linux based OS to load in these devices? From xose at wanadoo.es Fri Oct 24 03:09:20 2003 From: xose at wanadoo.es (Xose Vazquez Perez) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 05:09:20 +0200 Subject: [OT]Re: XFree86 available via yum References: <200310121635.45173.elwoo@videotron.ca> <3F89D427.7090702@wanadoo.es> <3F8C9C69.4070006@wanadoo.es> Message-ID: <3F9897E0.4050305@wanadoo.es> Mike A. Harris wrote: > On Wed, 15 Oct 2003, Xose Vazquez Perez wrote: >>the question is: why are they different? > Because FTP was designed in the 70's or 80's as a file transfer > protocol, and HTTP was designed in the early 90's as a hypertext > transfer protocol. The two have different purposes, however > nowadays there is some overlap of functionality between the > protocols. I'm not sure why this matters however. Better explication than in Comer and Stevens, my question was about ftp and http servers :-) > Because people wish to make web pages, and FTP doesn't serve web > pages (although some browsers will render html pages as if they > were web pages on a web server), and people also wish to make > files available for download via FTP. Others prefer to make > their files available for download using HTTP instead. but my surprise was about why they weren't at same storage, same sever with two daemons, easy! >>why is closed http index and ftp is opened?.... X files, sources are >>out there :-) > I don't understand your question, can you reword it? http index is closed, ftp isn't!. Not too difficult to guess the people's home dirs. > I've been using text mode web browsers since 1994, so I'm aware > of their existance. A text mode web browser isn't a replacement > for a text mode ftp client however, and never will be. Not in my > eyes anyway. I've been using GUI mode web browsers since Baron ;-) > I don't really understand the point of your thread to be honest. I need more lessons of english. real question was: what is there in special in ftp server and http server to be different? -thanks- -- HTML mails are going to trash automatically From cochranb at speakeasy.net Fri Oct 24 03:32:50 2003 From: cochranb at speakeasy.net (Robert L Cochran) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 23:32:50 -0400 Subject: problems using grub In-Reply-To: <20031024012813.22463.qmail@web40306.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20031024012813.22463.qmail@web40306.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3F989D62.80606@speakeasy.net> Hmmm. Can you describe the hardware you have? I'm especially interested in how many drives you have, and of what type (IDE or SCSI). I do not think you have software RAID at all because your df output doesn't show RAID devices and you said you turned RAID off via your BIOS. That sounds a lot like you have a Promise or other brand of RAID controller on your motherboard, and the Promise controllers don't work well with Linux. Also, what are you using the 'ntplsmp' kernel for? I'm not familiar with that and wonder if you have an SMP motherboard? I won't be able to respond more until tomorrow night at the earliest, but maybe others can pitch in and help you too. Bob Globe Trotter wrote: > --- Robert L Cochran wrote: > >>If you are doing RAID1, then in your grub.conf file entry: >> >>kernel /vmlinuz-2.4.22-1.2097.nptl ro root=/dev/md1 >>initrd /initrd-2.4.22-1.2097.nptl.img >> > > > By the way, I tried this out and nothing happened!! Still the blinking lights > after grub.....but then I did it by hand and ended up getting a > kernel-panic.... > > df -h gives the following: > > Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on > /dev/hde5 2.9G 2.3G 547M 81% / > /dev/hde1 2.0G 33M 1.9G 2% /new > none 251M 0 251M 0% /dev/shm > /dev/hde6 40G 1.8G 36G 5% /usr/local > > > timeout=10 > splashimage=(hd0,6)/boot/grub/splash.xpm.gz > title Fedora Core (2.4.22-1.2088.nptlsmp) > root (hd0,6) > kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.4.22-1.2088.nptlsmp ro root=/dev/hdg1 > initrd /boot/initrd-2.4.22-1.2088.nptlsmp.img > > title Fedora Core (2.4.22-1.2088.nptlsmp) > root (hd0,6) > kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.4.22-1.2088.nptl ro root=/dev/hdg1 > initrd /boot/initrd-2.4.22-1.2088.nptl.img > > > For whatever it is worth, my software RAID1 is on /dev/hdg1. > > Thanks! > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search > http://shopping.yahoo.com > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > -- Bob Cochran Greenbelt, Maryland, USA http://greenbeltcomputer.biz/ From jeff at ollie.clive.ia.us Fri Oct 24 03:41:01 2003 From: jeff at ollie.clive.ia.us (Jeffrey C. Ollie) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 22:41:01 -0500 Subject: no sqare bracket in Evolution search In-Reply-To: <1066929548.28842.77.camel@zephyr> References: <1066929384.2013.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1066929548.28842.77.camel@zephyr> Message-ID: <1066966833.29320.2.camel@larch.ollie.clive.ia.us> On Thu, 2003-10-23 at 12:19, Ben Steeves wrote: > On Thu, 2003-10-23 at 14:16, Will Backman wrote: > > Anyone else unable to use the square bracket character in Evolution > > search field? Worked in Evolution 1.2.2 > > I have the same problem -- now that you mention it. :-) This is because '[' and ']' are keyboard shortcuts for 'Previous Unread Message' and 'Next Unread Message' (see the submenu under Actions->Go To). Jeff From itsme_410 at yahoo.com Fri Oct 24 03:58:05 2003 From: itsme_410 at yahoo.com (Globe Trotter) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 20:58:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: problems using grub In-Reply-To: <3F989D62.80606@speakeasy.net> Message-ID: <20031024035805.94821.qmail@web40304.mail.yahoo.com> Hi, I am at home now so not accessible to the machine in question. But, I know I have an Adaptec ATA 1200 RAID array. I can get you specs later. I have two HDD's and the second one is setup with the software RAID using Druid. (I turned it back on to run your experiment.) My machine is a dual processor so I have to use an smp kernel. Thanks a lot! --- Robert L Cochran wrote: > Hmmm. Can you describe the hardware you have? I'm especially interested > in how many drives you have, and of what type (IDE or SCSI). I do not > think you have software RAID at all because your df output doesn't show > RAID devices and you said you turned RAID off via your BIOS. That sounds > a lot like you have a Promise or other brand of RAID controller on your > motherboard, and the Promise controllers don't work well with Linux. > > Also, what are you using the 'ntplsmp' kernel for? I'm not familiar with > that and wonder if you have an SMP motherboard? > > I won't be able to respond more until tomorrow night at the earliest, > but maybe others can pitch in and help you too. > > Bob > > > Globe Trotter wrote: > > > --- Robert L Cochran wrote: > > > >>If you are doing RAID1, then in your grub.conf file entry: > >> > >>kernel /vmlinuz-2.4.22-1.2097.nptl ro root=/dev/md1 > >>initrd /initrd-2.4.22-1.2097.nptl.img > >> > > > > > > By the way, I tried this out and nothing happened!! Still the blinking > lights > > after grub.....but then I did it by hand and ended up getting a > > kernel-panic.... > > > > df -h gives the following: > > > > Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on > > /dev/hde5 2.9G 2.3G 547M 81% / > > /dev/hde1 2.0G 33M 1.9G 2% /new > > none 251M 0 251M 0% /dev/shm > > /dev/hde6 40G 1.8G 36G 5% /usr/local > > > > > > timeout=10 > > splashimage=(hd0,6)/boot/grub/splash.xpm.gz > > title Fedora Core (2.4.22-1.2088.nptlsmp) > > root (hd0,6) > > kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.4.22-1.2088.nptlsmp ro root=/dev/hdg1 > > initrd /boot/initrd-2.4.22-1.2088.nptlsmp.img > > > > title Fedora Core (2.4.22-1.2088.nptlsmp) > > root (hd0,6) > > kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.4.22-1.2088.nptl ro root=/dev/hdg1 > > initrd /boot/initrd-2.4.22-1.2088.nptl.img > > > > > > For whatever it is worth, my software RAID1 is on /dev/hdg1. > > > > Thanks! > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search > > http://shopping.yahoo.com > > > > > > -- > > fedora-test-list mailing list > > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > > > > > -- > Bob Cochran > Greenbelt, Maryland, USA > http://greenbeltcomputer.biz/ > > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From grant at tuins.ac.jp Fri Oct 24 03:59:50 2003 From: grant at tuins.ac.jp (rg) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 12:59:50 +0900 Subject: gnome-panel (does havoc read this list? ;-) In-Reply-To: <1066958662.3246.12.camel@CirithUngol> References: <20031024004759.13966.qmail@web10008.mail.yahoo.com> <3F987B0A.7070807@tuins.ac.jp> <1066958662.3246.12.camel@CirithUngol> Message-ID: <3F98A3B6.6010600@tuins.ac.jp> > > >Supply more than dissatisfaction with the list content, you make it >worse. If you want to see information about a topic, put it here. Your >emails ARE the list. > hey, my comment was simply a statement of fact - not a complaint. Things that don't work naturally take precedence over things that don't look right. So hold off on the scolding. rg > > >On Thu, 2003-10-23 at 18:06, rg wrote: > > >>>Maybe I'm spoiled by osx's dock. Even so these panel bugs seem to be >>>getting NO attention on the list. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>Customization and Art matters seem to be a low priority here. >> >>rg >> >> From chrisw01 at privatei.com Fri Oct 24 04:02:23 2003 From: chrisw01 at privatei.com (Christopher A. Williams) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 22:02:23 -0600 Subject: Compiling NVIDIA driver for -ntpl kernel In-Reply-To: <200310231346.06531.elwoo@videotron.ca> References: <1F336C4559FF244A90D52EFEABE98AD607CC6F@nimo.nhpro.kw> <1066899876.8635.1.camel@pc-32.office.scali.no> <1066911682.14954.1.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> <200310231346.06531.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <1066968142.21709.3.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> On Thu, 2003-10-23 at 11:46, Elton Woo wrote: > On October 23, 2003 08:21 am, Christopher A. Williams , <"Christopher A. > Williams" > wrote: > > > Yet another solution is to run the original NVidia installer program > > with the parameter --add-this-kernel which will create a customized > > version of the installer. Then use that one to install the drivers. > > Kindly pardon my ignorance: But is the command *precisely* > "sh --add-this-kernel NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-4496-pkg2.run" > OR " sh -add-{name of current kernel} etc..." I mean is "this-kernel" > a placeholder for the current kernel, or should I type that command > as shown? Just in case it hasn't been answered by someone else by now, the answer is to type this command exactly: ./NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-4496-pkg2.run --add-this-kernel This is assuming you have that particular build of the NVidia driver. It will create a custom install file called: NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-4496-pkg2-custom.run You can then install per regular NVidia instructions with that custom file. Cheers, Chris -- ==================================== "If you get to thinkin' you're a person of some influence, try orderin' someone else's dog around." --Cowboy Wisdom From chrisw01 at privatei.com Fri Oct 24 04:05:32 2003 From: chrisw01 at privatei.com (Christopher A. Williams) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 22:05:32 -0600 Subject: Compiling NVIDIA driver for -ntpl kernel In-Reply-To: <3F982595.5070708@pvv.org> References: <1F336C4559FF244A90D52EFEABE98AD607CC6F@nimo.nhpro.kw> <1066899876.8635.1.camel@pc-32.office.scali.no> <1066911682.14954.1.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> <200310231346.06531.elwoo@videotron.ca> <3F982595.5070708@pvv.org> Message-ID: <1066968332.21709.6.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> On Thu, 2003-10-23 at 13:01, Trond Eivind Glomsr?d wrote: > Elton Woo wrote: > > > >Kindly pardon my ignorance: But is the command *precisely* > >"sh --add-this-kernel NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-4496-pkg2.run" > >OR " sh -add-{name of current kernel} etc..." I mean is "this-kernel" > >a placeholder for the current kernel, or should I type that command > >as shown? > > > > > It would be "sh NVIDIA.... --add..." of course. Think about it... bash > would try to run a non-existing > '-add-this-kernel' file otherwise. That said, it this doesn't fix the > problem, which is that the Nvidia building > procedure will complain when the system compiler doesn't match what the > kernel is built with. Do > 'export CC=gcc32' to fix that. Actually, in this case, 'export CC=gcc32' is *not* required. The --add-this-kernel parameter handles that for you. Cheers, Chris -- ==================================== "If you get to thinkin' you're a person of some influence, try orderin' someone else's dog around." --Cowboy Wisdom From mark at mitre.org Fri Oct 24 04:08:56 2003 From: mark at mitre.org (Mark Heslep) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 00:08:56 -0400 Subject: config-xfree86 dual head Message-ID: <1066968536.11072.38.camel@rower-lab> Just ran the latest redhat-config-xfree86 0.9.15-1 and it starts/runs/exits OK now. The resulting XF86Config appears to lack the required 'Screen 0/1' option in the Device section. From the XF86Config man page: > > Screen number > This option is mandatory for cards where a single PCI entity can > drive more than one display (i.e., multiple CRTCs sharing a sin- > gle graphics accelerator and video memory). Im using an ATI FireGL X1 R300 dual headed DVI card which runs both Device sections off the BUS ID PCI:1:0:0. The XFree log shows only the RADEON(0) section active with no RADEON(1). The result is a clowned display on the second head when Im looking for the standard independent head xinerama mode. Now, if I manually add the Screen 0 and Screen 1 options: > Section "Device" > Identifier "Videocard0" > Driver "radeon" > VendorName "Videocard vendor" > BoardName "ATI FireGL X1" > #add Screen > Screen 0 > EndSection > > Section "Device" > Identifier "Videocard1" > Driver "radeon" > VendorName "Videocard Vendor" > BoardName "ATI FireGL X1" > BusID "PCI:1:0:0" > #add Screen > Screen 1 > EndSection then all is well*, RADEON(0) and RADEON(1) are shown active in the log, and I get my Xinerama dual head. So, bugzilla bug or bugzilla RFE? Grep'ing the -config-xfree86 source seems to show there's no code in there for Screen options in the Device section Related X dual head issues: Im running the XFree86 CVS snapshot. XFree86 Version 4.3.99.14 Release Date: 10 October 2003. Thought 4.3.0-40 had been my problem on dual head but I suppose not. Im happy to switch back if that data point is needed. Anyway, reading about Alex Deucher's merged frame buffer Radeon had me thinking that was required to get dual head working. Is 'mergedfb' going to be applied to X anytime soon? Its not in the current CVS snapshot. What's that going to do for us Radeon dual headers? -Mark * with an edit of the 'LeftOf' to RightOf parameter. RFE screen placement? From benhsu at dslextreme.com Fri Oct 24 04:48:31 2003 From: benhsu at dslextreme.com (Ben Hsu) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 21:48:31 -0700 Subject: KDE auto-login on boot Message-ID: <1066970911.9409.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hi I had my KDE set up to auto-login. Since upgrading to Severn (both 0.93 and 0.94) my machine no longer automatically logs me in. In KDE Control Center -> Login Manager -> Convenience the following things are set: Automatic Login - Enable auto-login checkbox checked - user combo box = "benhsu" Preselect User - "Preselect" Radio button checked - user combo box = "benhsu" - focus password box not checked "Enable passwordless login" checked - no password required for: benhsu "automatically log in after X server crash" checked Is there something I'm missing? I tried re-applying the settings and it still doesn't work Thanks! From mharris at redhat.com Fri Oct 24 05:55:34 2003 From: mharris at redhat.com (Mike A. Harris) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 01:55:34 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Games doesent work in Fedora test 3 In-Reply-To: <1066913054.25815.59.camel@earth.xades.com> References: <3F95769F.3080502@linuxin.dk> <3F959DAF.60305@linuxin.dk> <200310211410.02540.jkeating@j2solutions.net> <3F960C98.9060901@linuxin.dk> <1066809492.5398.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> <3F96974A.4060801@linuxin.dk> <3F96B61D.30902@tmsusa.com> <1066868624.25815.38.camel@earth.xades.com> <1066913054.25815.59.camel@earth.xades.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 23 Oct 2003, nosp wrote: >> That just shows you're using a method that is inherently >> flawed/broken to try to uninstall the package. I don't recommend >> using apt for anything ever. Use yum, or use rpm directly. > >Hmm -- I'm not sure that apt is telling me anything that rpm doesn't >tell me; actually apt shows me, quicker, how big an effect my desire to >remove Mesa will have. Here's what rpm tells me: apt is telling you it'll gladly uninstall half your system if you like to remove Mesa. RPM would tell you that there is dependancies on Mesa from other applications, then you'd say to yourself "yes, but I am uninstalling one libGL.so.1 and installing an alternative libGL.so.1, so when I'm done all dependancies will still be met", then you'd use --nodeps to uninstall Mesa, and then install Nvidia, and everything is happy. > libGL.so.1 is needed by (installed) xscreensaver-4.13-1 > libGL.so.1 is needed by (installed) xmms-1.2.8-2.p > libGL.so.1 is needed by (installed) XFree86-libs-4.3.0-40 > libGL.so.1 is needed by (installed) XFree86-tools-4.3.0-40 >--- > >Clearly the dependency of XFree86-{libs,tools} on Mesa is the >"problem." I disagree that apt is flawed/broken. But is there a >solution to this? Probably more relevant in response to your next >point...see below. Wrong. There is absolutely *NO* dependancy on Mesa. The dependancy is explicitly on libGL.so.1 as you quote above. *ANYTHING* that provides a library called libGL.so.1 by definition solves the dependancy, including Nvidia's libGL.so.1 I already gave you the solution, uninstall Mesa-libGL using rpm with --nodeps, and immediately install the Nvidia packages. Problem solved. Works for hundreds of users, and can work for you too! >> Normally the --nodeps would be strongly advised against for any >> other command. In this case the idea is "We know we're >> uninstalling this package intentionally because we are installing >> an alternative package which provides the same functionality to >> the applications that require this one". > >Yes but then apt (and, I presume, yum) will tell me I have a >broken package set installed (some packages are installed that >depend on a package I don't have installed). I can fix this by >telling apt (prob. yum too) to pretend it has the missing Mesa >rpm. I would probably have to do the same trick to make rpm >itself happy. It's just inconvenient to tell all the packaging >apps (rpm, apt, yum) individually that "yeah we really have Mesa >even though it's not installed." I gave you the solution that works properly. I'm not going to bother repeating myself 500 times however or explain in detail how rpm or apt works. You can use my solution, and have it work for you too, or you can think too much about it, and worry about it and keep a non-working system. Your choice... >I don't think any of this helps us with the original question, >which was "how will Mike make the Mesa rpm explicitly conflict >with the nvidia drivers." Simple: Conflicts: That way Nvidia does not need to delete the files to avoid the conflict (which is wrong on so many levels it isn't funny), and users are alerted by RPM directly that the two packages conflict with libGL. The proper solution to this is the one I've outlined above. Nvidia's future rpm packages and installer can then stop deleting our rpm installed files and instead automate the process of doing: rpm -e --nodeps XFree86-Mesa-libGL rpm -Uvh Nvidia-package-name-containing-libGL That will make life easier for users, for Nvidia, and for Red Hat IMHO, which is the end goal. Remember, in previous releases there was no Mesa-libGL or Mesa-libGLU subpackages. I created those 2 packages explicitly for one purpose - to allow 3rd party vendors to be able to easily replace either one or both of those libraries with their own custom libGL/libGLU (some vendors have their own libGLU for whatever strange reasons). To date, I'm not aware of any vendors who have taken advantage of this unfortunately. ;o( >I just want to clarify that I think this effort to help smooth >out this issue is very much appreciated by myself and, I >imagine, other binary nvidia users. So thanks -- my musings >were merely a desire to get more insight into how you would >tackle this problem. The solution doesn't seem obvious to me >because you have to make an rpm conflict with something that >isn't installed by (an) rpm. How would you do that? You cant make an rpm conflict with something that is installed that is not an rpm. I can make an rpm conflict with another rpm, which means people who install Nvidia's drivers with rpm would end up hopefully having a properly working system assuming Nvidia updates their rpms and driver installation procedure. Users who install Nvidia's stuff without rpm are more or less on their own, and always will be, because rpm doesn't know anything about anything that isn't installed via rpm (and shouldn't). >Could you make the rpm conflict with a file that only the nvidia >installer created? That would probably be too fragile a method, >right? Wether it would be technically possible via some ugly hack or not doesn't matter. I wouldn't implement an ugly hack like that for any reason anyway. People should use rpms, and if they don't then like has always been the case in the past for all software installation - they're on their own to solve whatever package conflicts or problems arise. I want to make the situation better, but 3rd party vendors packaging stuff in rpms need to want to have things better too, I can only make things nicer on my side, but I can't make their side better. I can help them to do so though if they're interested. -- Mike A. Harris ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris OS Systems Engineer - XFree86 maintainer - Red Hat From mharris at redhat.com Fri Oct 24 06:05:16 2003 From: mharris at redhat.com (Mike A. Harris) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 02:05:16 -0400 (EDT) Subject: PROFTPD In-Reply-To: References: <20031021051124.GB18150@prince.homelinux.org> <20031021133752.B4312@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <3F96570C.2040200@vlugnet.org> <20031022112929.A27953@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 23 Oct 2003, Res wrote: >> I think the general thing we're trying to get across is that we >> do not have the engineering resources to package and maintain 15 >> ftp daemons, SMTP daemons, web servers, imap daemons, etc. and >> also audit them, track their security flaws and major bugs and >> provide proper and timely updates when such flaws are found, and >> provide the level of support for them that would be needed for >> them to be in Fedora Core. We just don't have 5000 engineers >> here twiddling their thumbs looking for new applications with >> major security flaws to fix and release updates for. > >ProFTPd has always had a good security track record, RH used to >include it years ago (ok i think it was only on the contrib tho) Red Hat did not create the packages in contrib, and did not include any of them in the distribution. proftpd was on powertools 6.0, but I believe that was the only thing it was ever released on. proftpd has definitely not always had a good security record. It had a decent security record for a while, followed by a very poor one while it fell out of maintenance, then it picked up a bit again. At the time we included vsftpd into the distro, proftpd had it's fair share of security issues. I remember because I used it on almost every ftp server I maintained at the time. I must admit though, while I loved proftpd's feature set and configuration, vsftpd was a godsend security wise. >when it also included the biggest security nightmare every ftp >admin has 'wu-ftpd', they dropped proftpd but kept wu-ftpd, that >just made absolute no sense at all, I feel there is more to it Simple, proftpd was never part of the distribution *EVER*, so your premise that we dropped proftpd and kept wuftpd is based on an invalid claim. wu-ftpd was kept for a long time for historical reasons. There are many systems running wu-ftpd out there which have their entire infrastructure configured around it. To upgrade those systems, throw out wu-ftpd immediately and switch over to a new ftpd just wasn't something every customer out there would be willing or able to do without a migration period. We never shipped anything other than wu-ftpd before, so we added vsftpd in 7.3 IIRC, then removed wu-ftpd recently in RHL 9. As I said above, proftpd was included on an ancient version of powertools more or less unsupported for one release, possibly on older powertools I no longer have also. What used to be powertools in days gone by could be somewhat viewed as "Fedora Extras" or "Fedora Alternatives" in our current framework, and that would be the perfect place for proftpd to reside now. >and RH wont say (at least publicly) why :) Well, now you know. ;o) Feel free to create new consipiracy theories, they're fun to resolve with factual information. ;o) -- Mike A. Harris ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris OS Systems Engineer - XFree86 maintainer - Red Hat From mharris at redhat.com Fri Oct 24 06:07:31 2003 From: mharris at redhat.com (Mike A. Harris) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 02:07:31 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Suggestions for a good graphics card for RH9/Fedora? In-Reply-To: <1066917447.7141.6.camel@ibmLaptop.athome.de> References: <20031023054650.51043.qmail@web40303.mail.yahoo.com> <1066917447.7141.6.camel@ibmLaptop.athome.de> Message-ID: On Thu, 23 Oct 2003, Peter Boy wrote: >> >Can I get a suggestion for a good graphics card which will work on RH9/Fedora? >> If you are not into games, a Matrox G550 should work >> just fine. > >Yes, but the driver is a nightmare, too. It is quite slow, beta >since several years (the matrox, not the xFree). If I drag a >window over the screen, it's bluring because redrawing the >window isn't fast enough. That's kindof odd. >And there are some minor / odd issues with the dual head / >xinerama configuration. Edge resistance and the mechanism to >open a new window on one screen instead overlapping both screens >(just don't remenber the vocabulary) doesn't work. But otherwise >it's fine :-) Those are window manager issues and are unrelated to what video driver you're using. The video driver has no concept of what a window manager is, edge resistance or anything like that. That's all window manager stuff. -- Mike A. Harris ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris OS Systems Engineer - XFree86 maintainer - Red Hat From mharris at redhat.com Fri Oct 24 06:14:58 2003 From: mharris at redhat.com (Mike A. Harris) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 02:14:58 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Suggestions for a good graphics card for RH9/Fedora? In-Reply-To: <1066922539.7141.21.camel@ibmLaptop.athome.de> References: <20031023144318.20565.qmail@web40304.mail.yahoo.com> <1066922539.7141.21.camel@ibmLaptop.athome.de> Message-ID: On Thu, 23 Oct 2003, Peter Boy wrote: >> Thanks! I do have dual input and would like to use the DVI. Any suggestion with >> regard to the card memory? 128Mb or should I go all the way upto 256? > >Unless your are a windows gamer 64 mb should be enough for a Linux box. >You can watch DVD, do video editing, and the usual stuff. I'm not shure, >but even Windows games currently don't use 128 mb (but I'm not a game >expert!). Many games use 128Mb or more video memory. Unreal Tournament 2003 has over 1.6Gb of compressed textures, and recommends 128Mb video memory minimum. I've seen it run on a 64Mb card, and it was pretty horrible without lowering most settings down to the minimums to get it smooth. Many other current generation games need 128Mb to run full tilt also, of course one can always twiddle settings, lower the resolution, disable snazzy 3D features, etc. too, but that doesn't take full advantage of the modern immersive 3D environment. Halflife 2 and Doom 3 will likely need 128Mb minimum to play reasonably and 256Mb to fly I would bet. I guess we have to wait and see about that though. ;o) -- Mike A. Harris ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris OS Systems Engineer - XFree86 maintainer - Red Hat From mharris at redhat.com Fri Oct 24 06:20:33 2003 From: mharris at redhat.com (Mike A. Harris) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 02:20:33 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [OT] Re: Suggestions for a good graphics card for RH9/Fedora? In-Reply-To: <3F97F85A.9060908@wanadoo.es> References: <20031023144318.20565.qmail@web40304.mail.yahoo.com> <3F97F85A.9060908@wanadoo.es> Message-ID: On Thu, 23 Oct 2003, Xose Vazquez Perez wrote: >I saw tests of same ATI board with 64 and 128 over MS Windows and they get >the *same* performance. Forget the RAM, it's more important chip type. >A Radeon 8500 or 9100 with 64 MB is good and cheap. The amount of video memory on a board doesn't indicate the performance one will see out of it. The only time the amount of video memory affects performance at all, is when the software you are using has a LOT of textures, and the textures do not fit into video memory anymore. When textures don't fit into video memory, then AGP textures must be used which are slower. If you run a high end modern game like UT2003, you will definitely see a very big difference between a 64Mb and a 128Mb card, with both clocked identically with same speed and same type of memory, because the game will fill video memory on both cards easily. Also, depending on how much system RAM one has, if you run games which require a lot of texture memory and you only have 64Mb of video memory, the memory gets used via the agp aperture, and that is system memory stolen for the purpose of texture storage. If you only have 128Mb of system memory, and a 64Mb GART size, that means your system only has 64Mb of useable memory for applications. If you run glxgears to benchmark hardware, you'll see the same performance on a 256Mb card as a 64Mb or 32Mb, or even an 8Mb one, as glxgears doesn't have 256Mb of textures to stuff into video memory. Hope this helps. -- Mike A. Harris ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris OS Systems Engineer - XFree86 maintainer - Red Hat From mharris at redhat.com Fri Oct 24 06:33:19 2003 From: mharris at redhat.com (Mike A. Harris) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 02:33:19 -0400 (EDT) Subject: config-xfree86 dual head In-Reply-To: <1066968536.11072.38.camel@rower-lab> References: <1066968536.11072.38.camel@rower-lab> Message-ID: On Fri, 24 Oct 2003, Mark Heslep wrote: > Im using an ATI FireGL X1 R300 dual headed DVI card which runs both >Device sections off the BUS ID PCI:1:0:0. The XFree log shows only the >RADEON(0) section active with no RADEON(1). The result is a clowned >display on the second head when Im looking for the standard independent >head xinerama mode. Now, if I manually add the Screen 0 and Screen 1 >options: > > >> Section "Device" >> Identifier "Videocard0" >> Driver "radeon" >> VendorName "Videocard vendor" >> BoardName "ATI FireGL X1" >> #add Screen >> Screen 0 >> EndSection >> >> Section "Device" >> Identifier "Videocard1" >> Driver "radeon" >> VendorName "Videocard Vendor" >> BoardName "ATI FireGL X1" >> BusID "PCI:1:0:0" >> #add Screen >> Screen 1 >> EndSection MonitorLayout "CRT" "CRT" >Anyway, reading about Alex Deucher's merged frame buffer Radeon >had me thinking that was required to get dual head working. No, dualhead works on Radeon since at least 4.1.0 minimally on the 7000, and in 4.2.1 on all supported Radeon hardware. Alex's patch implements dualhead in a different way than Xinerama. Xinerama allows multiple heads to be joined into one display via software at a layer above the video driver. That works on any video hardware, including multihead cards (although drivers do need a small bit of code in them to support this). MergedFB does multihead directly in the video driver, by using a single framebuffer across both screens (merging the framebuffers ==mergedfb). >Is 'mergedfb' going to be applied to X anytime soon? No. >Its not in the current CVS snapshot. Radeon MergedFB support isn't in XFree86 CVS, and will not be in the 4.4.0 release once it becomes available either. It is in DRI CVS as an experimental and incomplete work in progress. Before it is included in XFree86 it needs to be finished, and David wants the common part of the Matrox, SiS, and Radeon MergedFB support to be removed from the drivers themselves and put into the common layer so that they can share code instead of having 3 copies of everything. This is post 4.4.0 development stuff. I have no intention of including this experimental support in our rpm packages, however once it is officially in XFree86 CVS, I will be investigating it's stability, etc. >What's that going to do for us Radeon dual headers? It'll allow you to use dualhead with DRI enabled, and get 3D acceleration across both screens. There is a hardware limitation in the 3D engine of a maximum horizontal resolution of 2048 in the scissor registers and possibly elsewhere, so you have to limit your combined horizontal resolution to less than 2048 to get DRI. Also, the Radeon video overlay is only functional on a single framebuffer, which is why people have problems using Xvideo on Radeon (and most other hardware) currently when they try to move a video window from one screen to another - the hardware does not support that. However, with mergedfb, there is now a single framebuffer that spans two heads, and that includes the video overlay, so video can span both heads now too. This is basically how the ATI Windows drivers work. ATI calls this "Hydravision". Nvidia has a similar feature they call "Twinview". Both are essentially Xinerama done in hardware. Another problem that needs work for MergedFB is to get it to deal with DPI properly, and to fake xinerama to software - this is called PseudoXinerama, and IIRC, it is broken currently. This will probably not be in XFree86 for Radeon until 4.5.0 or 5.0 whichever comes first. Matrox users should be able to use MergedFB in 4.3.0 IIRC, and SiS users will be able to in 4.4.0 also. Hope this helps. Take care, TTYL -- Mike A. Harris ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris OS Systems Engineer - XFree86 maintainer - Red Hat From mharris at redhat.com Fri Oct 24 06:37:06 2003 From: mharris at redhat.com (Mike A. Harris) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 02:37:06 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Games doesent work in Fedora test 3 In-Reply-To: <3F959DAF.60305@linuxin.dk> References: <3F95769F.3080502@linuxin.dk> <3F959DAF.60305@linuxin.dk> Message-ID: On Tue, 21 Oct 2003, Bjorn Andersen wrote: >>Nvidia's binary proprietary drivers are unsupported, so unless >>this problem is reproduceable using the "nv" driver, or using >>alternate video hardware with stock provided/supported video >>drivers, it will most likely be closed as a duplicate of bug >>number 73733 along with the other 400 or so dupes. ;o) > >HMMM, if all newer OpenGL games doesent work under Fedora, and >everybuddy doesent care, then we will newer get great games for >(Fedora/RedHat) Linux :-( You misunderstand my point though. I can care all I want about OpenGL games working in Linux. One thing I can *NOT* do however, is fix bugs in Nvidia's proprietary drivers. That requires the source code, and detailed specifications for the hardware, which Nvidia does not make available to anyone period. So caring about something and being able to do something about it are two very different things. Reporting bugs to us about stuff we can't fix isn't useful. Reporting them to Nvidia however is useful as they have the source code of both their driver and the entire operating system since our OS is open source. They have our source but we don't have theirs. -- Mike A. Harris ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris OS Systems Engineer - XFree86 maintainer - Red Hat From lists at reforge.fi Fri Oct 24 06:41:13 2003 From: lists at reforge.fi (Lauri Jutila) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 09:41:13 +0300 Subject: Update oddities / broken libs? Message-ID: <1066977672.5424.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> After Fedora's yum repository resurrection, I did yum update to upgrade to new stuff. While yum/rpm was installing/upgrading new packages, it spat out this error msg: /sbin/ldconfig: /usr/lib/libstrstd.so.51 is not an ELF file - it has the wrong magic bytes at the start. Broken libs somewhere? Interesting error since libstrstd.so.51 doesn't belong to any package. $ rpm -qf /usr/lib/libstrstd.so.51 file /usr/lib/libstrstd.so.51 is not owned by any package RPMFind.net didn't either know such a file belonging to anywhere and Google gave no significant results. I'm guessing I don't have to worry about this, right? :) Will file to bugzilla if necessary. -- Lauri Jutila Chief Linux Fellow, Reforge lists at reforge.fi http://www.reforge.fi From mharris at redhat.com Fri Oct 24 06:49:49 2003 From: mharris at redhat.com (Mike A. Harris) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 02:49:49 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Games doesent work in Fedora test 3 In-Reply-To: <3F960C98.9060901@linuxin.dk> References: <3F95769F.3080502@linuxin.dk> <3F959DAF.60305@linuxin.dk> <200310211410.02540.jkeating@j2solutions.net> <3F960C98.9060901@linuxin.dk> Message-ID: On Wed, 22 Oct 2003, Bjorn Andersen wrote: >>Oh we can care, but we can't do much about it, since we don't write the >>nvidia binary drivers. Nvidia has never supported beta releases of >>Linux distributions. Fedora Core is still in beta. Once Fedora Core 1 >>is released, then you can expect some support from Nvidia, and have a >>better argument when you contact nvidia for help. Until then, tough. > >Hmmm, its 75% of all OpenGL games that doesent work. I dont think thats >an Nvidia problem. I'm not sure spending resources on making video games work in Linux is the most useful use of Red Hat engineering resources. Video games will work better in Linux when there are more people interested in video games working better spending their personal time to volunteer to debug video drivers, etc. so that the games run better. Alternatively, a company who thinks that video games in Linux are a viable and attractive business model might decide to invest money into making video game infrastructure better. Until either of those things happen, video games in Linux are nothing more than an extremely small hobbiest/enthusiast niche. That's the business reality of things anyway. I'd love to see video games work rock solid on all video hardware in Linux, but that's not going to happen without a large number of volunteer programmers getting their fingers dirty with gdb and debugging DRI problems when they have them with OpenGL games, and submitting patches. As for the proprietary driver side of things, well 3D games in Linux wont be much of a reality until both video game companies and video hardware companies both decide to improve the situation because they see a viable business opportunity. To date that hasn't happened, and every single video game company that has produced Linux versions of their games, has done so either at a revenue loss, or has done so more or less as a charity thing because they think Linux is just too cool to not make their game available for. id Software, and Crack.com come to mind immediately for the latter category. I believe both companies have stated publically they've never made enough money off of Linux games to cover the costs involved with producing the game. Someone would have to search google for quotes however. Games are cool, but not essential to business or the enterprise. It's up to computer geeks such as ourselves to fix the problems ourselves with our spare time as volunteers who care about games working in Linux, if we want the situation to change. Personally, I'd love to spend a week or 2 nonstop hacking on various DRI problems I see reported in games, but I can only really justify doing that in my own personal spare time, and I don't really have very much personal spare time. The DRI project is always looking for new volunteers however, and anyone who thinks they can contribute is welcome to come and join our Monday IRC meetings on #dri-devel on irc.freenode.net and to lurk in the channel the rest of the week asking questions when developers are around. Usually myself, MrCooper, anholt are there, and sometimes "idr" and others. If we're not too busy, we're often happy to lend a helping hand to an enthusiastic positive minded person who has their X server sitting in gdb, and is poking printk()s in the kernel DRM driver. ;o) Also, I posted recently to xfree86-list that I spend some of my spare time unfortunately having to vacuum my house, do the dishes, and other cleaning tasks/chores... If someone were to come over on Saturday/Sunday and do this for me, it could free up hours and hours of DRI debugging time. ;o) /me runs -- Mike A. Harris ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris OS Systems Engineer - XFree86 maintainer - Red Hat From mharris at redhat.com Fri Oct 24 07:01:39 2003 From: mharris at redhat.com (Mike A. Harris) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 03:01:39 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Games doesent work in Fedora test 3 In-Reply-To: <3F9614D8.9040907@tmsusa.com> References: <3F95769F.3080502@linuxin.dk> <200310211410.02540.jkeating@j2solutions.net> <3F960C98.9060901@linuxin.dk> <200310212157.19171.jkeating@j2solutions.net> <3F9614D8.9040907@tmsusa.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 21 Oct 2003, Joe wrote: >>Why not, if you're playing all of them on an Nvidia card. What you don't >>realize, is that once you install the Nvidia drivers, you nullify any kind of >>practical support you could get for any 3d application. If you've got a >>problem with it, bring it up with Nvidia, since they're the only ones that >>can help. > >I think his point is that all fc t3 users will have problems with these >games. Dismissing him with a wave of the hand because he's using an >nvidia card may work for awhile, but eventually there may be some brave >souls who venture to attempt games with non-nvidia cards, and when they >see the same problems and worse, the problems will get the attention >they really should be getting now - you create a sort of vicious cycle >when nvidia cards are really the only practical choice for a linux >gamer, but users of nvidia cards are shouted down when reporting bugs. And you misunderstand that wether or not someone here would like to solve an Nvidia user's problem, that we cant fix bugs in Nvidia's drivers, and we can't easily even debug them to find out where the problem could be. It's just not something we can do. There are hundreds of capable engineers out there and programmers. Is there anyone reading this list who thinks they can debug a 3D acceleration problem with a proprietary video driver and proprietary kernel module, without the source code, and be able to do ANYTHING for a user having this problem? I challenge anyone out there to do so. Now if users have problems with open source drivers it is a completely different story. At least the source code is there, and some of the documentation is available to some people. However from a Red Hat perspective, I have to make a decision with prioritizing work. Hmm, should I spend a week and a half debugging a 3D lockup in DRI on Radeon that happens with Unreal Tournament 2003 (after spending $70-80 of my own money to purchase a legal copy of the game I don't have) or should I spend that week and a half fixing 5-10 bugs for commercial enterprise customers spending tens of thousands or more dollars on our products? On a completely personal level, I'd much rather have fun debugging the video game issue. ;o) On a responsibilities to my employer and our paying customers level however, I can't justify debugging video games as a high priority. The only time I can really justify spending time debugging video game related DRI issues is on weekends or in my own personal time. Theoretically, if I spent all my time making video games work with DRI, I might make Red Hat's DRI the most rock solid out there. But then how long would I have a job here? ;o) >I hope the development community finds a better response than >dumping on nvidia, since nvidia might just decide it's too damn >much trouble to support linux - and then we'll really be out of >luck. Nvidia doesn't provide video drivers for Linux in order for video gamers to have working drivers. Nvidia wrote their video drivers for high end 3D users including the movie making industry, medical industry, geological research, and other scientific applications. They provide their drivers freely for download to the community for other people to use simply as a kind public service. If it became a problem to them to provide these drivers, they could just as easily not allow public download, and instead provide them only direct to their high end corporate customers in the fields that I mention above. No video vendor out there provides 3D drivers specifically for people to play video games - they all provide drivers for one purpose - to make money of sales of high end video hardware for high end business usage. The community is just lucky that they have mostly all unified their drivers nowadays to support all of their hardware from a single source. ;o) So you can very much think of all of the available proprietary drivers out there as a charity to the Linux community, as that is what they very much are. -- Mike A. Harris ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris OS Systems Engineer - XFree86 maintainer - Red Hat From fedora at andrewfarris.com Fri Oct 24 07:24:56 2003 From: fedora at andrewfarris.com (Andrew Farris) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 00:24:56 -0700 Subject: Games doesent work in Fedora test 3 In-Reply-To: References: <3F95769F.3080502@linuxin.dk> <3F959DAF.60305@linuxin.dk> <200310211410.02540.jkeating@j2solutions.net> <3F960C98.9060901@linuxin.dk> Message-ID: <1066980296.3246.29.camel@CirithUngol> On Thu, 2003-10-23 at 23:49, Mike A. Harris wrote: > On Wed, 22 Oct 2003, Bjorn Andersen wrote: > > >>Oh we can care, but we can't do much about it, since we don't write the > >>nvidia binary drivers. Nvidia has never supported beta releases of > >>Linux distributions. Fedora Core is still in beta. Once Fedora Core 1 > >>is released, then you can expect some support from Nvidia, and have a > >>better argument when you contact nvidia for help. Until then, tough. > > > >Hmmm, its 75% of all OpenGL games that doesent work. I dont think thats > >an Nvidia problem. > That's the business reality of things anyway. I'd love to see > video games work rock solid on all video hardware in Linux, but > that's not going to happen without a large number of volunteer > programmers getting their fingers dirty with gdb and debugging > DRI problems when they have them with OpenGL games, and > submitting patches. > nVidia has a very active help forum, where several developers *regularly* visit (unfortunately they have been a bit absent the last few months). The problems that have been mentioned in the last few days here are almost all addressed on that forum, by many people who have been through them. It is not necessary for nVidia to give direct support of Fedora, the drivers work (in their current blow-away-files install design) well for a great many people, and for those with problems there is help available. http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=14 Yes a more robust install method that supports packaging systems would be useful, especially if they stopped overwriting files all over the place. The installer does contain a tarball extraction option, from which you could easily build an rpm (just need a spec, which there have been several floating around). You could then see conflicts occur before the install, thx to rpm. RedHat isn't responsible for creation of these packages however, its not their driver. To ask RedHat to fix these problems themselves is completely misguided. > Games are cool, but not essential to business or the enterprise. Yes, and it shouldn't be a primary point of interest for Fedora. There are currently no distros that can claim fully working and well supported 3D gaming out of the box for all cards, at any level close to the windows support. It would be very cool indeed, but circumventing the problem by making each distro deal with it in a unique way is the wrong solution. > Also, I posted recently to xfree86-list that I spend some of my > spare time unfortunately having to vacuum my house, do the > dishes, and other cleaning tasks/chores... If someone were to > come over on Saturday/Sunday and do this for me, it could free up > hours and hours of DRI debugging time. ;o) Yeah, a number of us suffer from similar predicaments I see. Perhaps the OpenSource model can address this in the future, there must be a solution if enough geeks start thinking it through. > /me runs -- Andrew Farris From mharris at redhat.com Fri Oct 24 07:29:42 2003 From: mharris at redhat.com (Mike A. Harris) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 03:29:42 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Games doesent work in Fedora test 3 In-Reply-To: <3F96C747.6060309@tmsusa.com> References: <3F95769F.3080502@linuxin.dk> <200310212157.19171.jkeating@j2solutions.net> <3F9614D8.9040907@tmsusa.com> <200310212233.40326.jkeating@j2solutions.net> <3F9618DC.2070307@tmsusa.com> <20031022165203.GA3075@iadonisi.to> <3F96C747.6060309@tmsusa.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 22 Oct 2003, joe wrote: >nvidia cards/drivers - and that is not at all helpful, since the >problems they are seeing are seldom if ever related to any flaws >in the nvidia drivers, from what I can see. Quite the opposite. Nvidia driver related problems are almost always due to end user misconfiguration or misinstallation, or users using the drivers with a kernel the Nvidia driver does not officially support, or some other similar issue or incompatibility. The majority of issues tend to be fixed when Nvidia updates their drivers - hint hint. >error since it only happens in some GUI application :\ Heck, >these folks just want to find out how to work around the issues >with a minimum of grief. Exactly. That's the problem. Bugzilla is not a technical support forum. The proper place for technical support for Nvidia driver issues is on Nvidia's web forums. That is what Nvidia themselves have told me directly on several occasions. They *WANT* people to report problems on their web forums, that way they can see the problems. They told me they have a few people who read those forums and offer advice, etc., and that when a common problem is seen coming up a lot it gets passed on to engineers and investigated. So the absolute best way to get Nvidia related problems investigated is to use their web forums. Also however, one should realize that they are not going to support a beta operating system. Traditionally it's a good month or two after an OS release before Nvidia or other vendors officially start supporting it. That is IMHO completely reasonable of them to do. >More often than not, it turns out that someone on the list has >found a solution and posts it, which fixes the problem for the >original poster - no kernel debugging needed, Red Hat engineering is not Red Hat technical support however. You might have a problem that is not a bug in any software at all, but reporting it in bugzilla is not the proper place, as bugzilla is NOT a technical support forum. Bugzilla is for reporting software defects that are in Red Hat OS components, etc. so that those components can be investigated and a resolution found. Don't report bugs with Nvidia's binary drivers unless it is something very obviously not a problem caused due to the drivers - in our eyes, not yours. If in doubt, reproduce the problem using the "nv" driver. Or in the case of ATI and their binary drivers, reproduce the problem with the "radeon" driver, etc.. If a problem isn't video driver related, then it should happen with any driver. >>Do you know of any enterprises who care how well >>games run on their enterprise desktops? For most, it's probably a plus >>if they *don't* run well. > >If the games can't run on linux, then it's most likely that no other >demanding 3D apps can run either :\ It depends on the nature of the specific problem. Generally speaking however, customers running 'demanding' 3D applications will most likely be using high end 3D hardware of some sort, either workstation hardware, or even mid to high consumer hardware, and they're most likely going to be using proprietary drivers in order to get the most out of their software. They should contact their video hardware vendor for support for their drivers, and if it's commercial software, their 3D software vendor for support for that software. Support for this stuff doesn't come for free, it costs money to staff support people, and software engineers. The OSS community of developers out there of course comes for free, and also provides free technical support. Perhaps there is a market out there for people to provide email/web/phone technical support for video games and installing proprietary or other 3D drivers? Possibly even a market for people to debug/fix video driver installation issues, and debug DRI problems in 3D games? If there isn't a market for that, then there isn't any market for Red Hat to spend money doing it either. If there is a market for it, then we perhaps are missing a business opportunity, and perhaps someone reading this list will consider starting up "3D debuggers Inc" company to fill the market niche we're not filling. ;o) >We certainly agree on that - and nobody can deny that nvidia has >been very responsive, and worked hard to make their drivers the >best ones available for linux. Their paying high end customers expect a high level of functionality and support from them, as do any other vendor's. They do what they do for their paying high end customers. >I'm just saying, don't make this a witch hunt, give nvidia users >the benefit of the doubt unless you have some reason to suspect >their problem is caused by an nvidia bug. We do what is best for us. Nvidia will do what is best for them, end users will do what is best for them. >BTW I'm running fc t3 with nvidia geforce 2, nvidia accelerated >drivers, and multimedia applications - it's very snappy, solid, >and I haven't had any problems so far, other than having to >tweak a few things to get the GL screensavers to use nvidia >drivers instead of mesa software gl. I will give it the q3a test >later. Mesa software GL should be completely uninstalled with --nodeps prior to installing Nvidia's proprietary drivers. Otherwise you will get very mixed problems with software trying to use Mesa libGL instead of Nvidia libGL. Since we ship multiple optimized versions of libGL now, this will confuse things even greater. -- Mike A. Harris ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris OS Systems Engineer - XFree86 maintainer - Red Hat From wx2k-hrn at asahi-net.or.jp Fri Oct 24 07:40:50 2003 From: wx2k-hrn at asahi-net.or.jp (Hirano Kazunari) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 16:40:50 +0900 Subject: the newest gimp doesn't diplay Japanese menus Message-ID: <3F98D782.8000105@asahi-net.or.jp> Hi, I believe that I got the newest gimp through rawhide by up2dating. This gimp shows garbage for menus and other UI in Japanese environmnet. khirano From pboy at barkhof.uni-bremen.de Fri Oct 24 07:46:52 2003 From: pboy at barkhof.uni-bremen.de (Peter Boy) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 09:46:52 +0200 Subject: Suggestions for a good graphics card for RH9/Fedora? In-Reply-To: References: <20031023054650.51043.qmail@web40303.mail.yahoo.com> <1066917447.7141.6.camel@ibmLaptop.athome.de> Message-ID: <1066981612.5287.3.camel@ibmLaptop.athome.de> Am Fr, den 24.10.2003 schrieb Mike A. Harris um 08:07: > >And there are some minor / odd issues with the dual head / > >xinerama configuration. Edge resistance and the mechanism to > >open a new window on one screen instead overlapping both screens > >(just don't remenber the vocabulary) doesn't work. But otherwise > >it's fine :-) > > Those are window manager issues and are unrelated to what video > driver you're using. The video driver has no concept of what a > window manager is, edge resistance or anything like that. That's > all window manager stuff. I had a discussion with Havoc some months ago. He told me that there are some bugs in the driver so that the windows manager can't figure out (or it's very hard to figure out) how to do edge resistance and all that xinerama stuff (esp. Matrox 400/450, slightly better with 550). Peter From mharris at redhat.com Fri Oct 24 07:51:21 2003 From: mharris at redhat.com (Mike A. Harris) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 03:51:21 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Games doesent work in Fedora test 3 In-Reply-To: <1066980296.3246.29.camel@CirithUngol> References: <3F95769F.3080502@linuxin.dk> <3F959DAF.60305@linuxin.dk> <200310211410.02540.jkeating@j2solutions.net> <3F960C98.9060901@linuxin.dk> <1066980296.3246.29.camel@CirithUngol> Message-ID: On Fri, 24 Oct 2003, Andrew Farris wrote: >> That's the business reality of things anyway. I'd love to see >> video games work rock solid on all video hardware in Linux, but >> that's not going to happen without a large number of volunteer >> programmers getting their fingers dirty with gdb and debugging >> DRI problems when they have them with OpenGL games, and >> submitting patches. > >nVidia has a very active help forum, where several developers >*regularly* visit (unfortunately they have been a bit absent the last >few months). The problems that have been mentioned in the last few days >here are almost all addressed on that forum, by many people who have >been through them. It is not necessary for nVidia to give direct >support of Fedora, the drivers work (in their current blow-away-files >install design) well for a great many people, and for those with >problems there is help available. > >http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=14 > >Yes a more robust install method that supports packaging systems would >be useful, especially if they stopped overwriting files all over the >place. The installer does contain a tarball extraction option, from >which you could easily build an rpm (just need a spec, which there have >been several floating around). You could then see conflicts occur >before the install, thx to rpm. RedHat isn't responsible for creation >of these packages however, its not their driver. > >To ask RedHat to fix these problems themselves is completely misguided. Agreed with all of your above points. >> Games are cool, but not essential to business or the enterprise. > >Yes, and it shouldn't be a primary point of interest for Fedora. I both agree and disagree there... While I work on XFree86, and will do so for Fedora releases, I still have to prioritize my own tasks and time in a manner that gives Red Hat the best bang for the buck. What I do in my personal spare time voluntarily is another issue of course, but I don't have much spare time either. "Fedora" however isn't just about who's doing what inside Red Hat, it also involves the community out there. So if there are people strongly interested in having video games work solidly in Fedora Core, and they're willing to either debug and troubleshoot the problems themselves, or get together with others having problems and form sort of a game-player-hackers-guild of sorts, I'd be glad to participate when I have time to do so. Although debugging video drivers and kernel modules can be very complex and hair pulling experience, a lot of experience isn't necessarily required. What IS required, is strong dedication and perserverence to the given problem, and commitment of a person to dedicate time to the problem, and to seek the help of other X/DRI developers to provide tips/assistance, describe what a given chip register does, how to use gdb, etc. If there is truely sufficient interest in gaming in Fedora, and enough volunteers out there to dig directly into the issues experienced, a LOT of problems can be solved, and this can lead to much stabler gaming experience. >There are currently no distros that can claim fully working and >well supported 3D gaming out of the box for all cards, at any >level close to the windows support. It would be very cool >indeed, but circumventing the problem by making each distro deal >with it in a unique way is the wrong solution. I don't disagree. For file conflicts types of issues and other installation related problems, I have some potential solutions to explore in the future, and I'll be discussing these along with Debian, FreeBSD and other distribution's X developers in hopes we can come to a common solution. XFree86 already supports everything to do this IMHO, it's more of a concensus of file installation and configuration more than anything. >Yeah, a number of us suffer from similar predicaments I see. >Perhaps the OpenSource model can address this in the future, >there must be a solution if enough geeks start thinking it >through. Hopefully the opensource model will yield hundreds of patch weilding gdb using video game players. ;o) -- Mike A. Harris ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris OS Systems Engineer - XFree86 maintainer - Red Hat From mharris at redhat.com Fri Oct 24 07:53:52 2003 From: mharris at redhat.com (Mike A. Harris) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 03:53:52 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Suggestions for a good graphics card for RH9/Fedora? In-Reply-To: <1066981612.5287.3.camel@ibmLaptop.athome.de> References: <20031023054650.51043.qmail@web40303.mail.yahoo.com> <1066917447.7141.6.camel@ibmLaptop.athome.de> <1066981612.5287.3.camel@ibmLaptop.athome.de> Message-ID: On Fri, 24 Oct 2003, Peter Boy wrote: >> Those are window manager issues and are unrelated to what video >> driver you're using. The video driver has no concept of what a >> window manager is, edge resistance or anything like that. That's >> all window manager stuff. > >I had a discussion with Havoc some months ago. He told me that there are >some bugs in the driver so that the windows manager can't figure out (or >it's very hard to figure out) how to do edge resistance and all that >xinerama stuff (esp. Matrox 400/450, slightly better with 550). First I've heard of it. Is it in Red Hat or XFree86 bugzilla anywhere? Open source drivers don't support dualhead on G400, only G450 and G550. Only thing I can think of might be something related to DPI calculation. That's a complex problem in Xineramaland though. Not knowing the specific problem you're refering to though I can't really hypothesize what the cause could be. -- Mike A. Harris ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris OS Systems Engineer - XFree86 maintainer - Red Hat From johnny at navtek.no Fri Oct 24 09:56:07 2003 From: johnny at navtek.no (Johnny Ljunggren) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 11:56:07 +0200 Subject: Login-program crashes (FCt3) Message-ID: <1066989366.27981.9.camel@lappen> When my system boots up on run level 5, X will try to start but crashes twice before telling me that 'Welcome program seems to crash. Trying another' (translated from norwegian, may be a bit different). Then I get a fairly standard login program. Anybody else run into this? I also checked the /etc/X11/prefdm which I believe is run when starting X, and the file /etc/sysconfig/desktop is used to check the preferred display manager. That file contains this line DESKTOP=GNOME (although I use KDE), but the prefdm-script uses $DISPLAYMANAGER to start the correct login program (gdm/kdm/xdm). This seems all a bit confusing, what is the real story here? -- Johnny Ljunggren From alexl at redhat.com Fri Oct 24 07:58:59 2003 From: alexl at redhat.com (Alexander Larsson) Date: 24 Oct 2003 09:58:59 +0200 Subject: gnome-panel (does havoc read this list? ;-) In-Reply-To: <20031024004759.13966.qmail@web10008.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20031024004759.13966.qmail@web10008.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1066982338.16726.27.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, 2003-10-24 at 02:47, Ryan G. wrote: > Hi all, > > Wonder if the gnome-panel is going to get any needed attention soon... > I'm configured to have things looking like osx's dock, i.e. autohide, > no expand, menus and launchers added. Now here's what I'm seeing, how > bout everyone else? Did you report any of these problems to the upstream (gnome) bugzilla? Thats the main place gnome bug reports should go, unless its clearly a redhat packaging/artwork bug, or a major showstopper that we have to be aware of. We can't fix all bugs in all parts of gnome ourselves. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Alexander Larsson Red Hat, Inc alexl at redhat.com alla at lysator.liu.se He's a world-famous albino assassin trapped in a world he never made. She's a bloodthirsty Buddhist widow prone to fits of savage, blood-crazed rage. They fight crime! From johnny at navtek.no Fri Oct 24 10:00:05 2003 From: johnny at navtek.no (Johnny Ljunggren) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 12:00:05 +0200 Subject: Open GL screensaver crashes X Message-ID: <1066989605.27981.14.camel@lappen> I'm using a Matrox G450 on a freshly installed FCt3-system with no updates (yet). Whenever the screensaver kicks in, and an Open GL-saver is the next in line, X crashes. What can be done about that? The system looks very unstable now. Of course, I can turn off the screen saver, or maybe install the latest drivers from matrox, but that doesn't solve the problem for the next guy. -- Johnny Ljunggren From johnny at navtek.no Fri Oct 24 10:04:30 2003 From: johnny at navtek.no (Johnny Ljunggren) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 12:04:30 +0200 Subject: Two tiny bugs (Anaconda/install, KDE) Message-ID: <1066989870.27981.19.camel@lappen> Install: When choosing Norwegian as the install language, the next page selecting the keyboard has not automatically selected the corresponding keyboard. In fact, no keyboard at all is selected. KDE: (this bug is tiny, almost invisible) When the KDE splash screen comes up, and the second icon is flashing, a small part of the next icon is flashing too. So when the third icon is flashing a small part on the left is not flashing. Not really a show stopper, but it looks weird. -- Johnny Ljunggren From res at ausics.net Fri Oct 24 08:04:38 2003 From: res at ausics.net (Res) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 18:04:38 +1000 (EST) Subject: PROFTPD In-Reply-To: References: <20031021051124.GB18150@prince.homelinux.org> <20031021133752.B4312@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <3F96570C.2040200@vlugnet.org> <20031022112929.A27953@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 24 Oct 2003, Mike A. Harris wrote: > >when it also included the biggest security nightmare every ftp > >admin has 'wu-ftpd', they dropped proftpd but kept wu-ftpd, that > >just made absolute no sense at all, I feel there is more to it > > Simple, proftpd was never part of the distribution *EVER*, so Yeah and newver wanted to include it, i recall the countless threads.. > out there would be willing or able to do without a migration > period. We never shipped anything other than wu-ftpd before, so > we added vsftpd in 7.3 IIRC, then removed wu-ftpd recently in RHL Coulda been then, apart form a few 9 fresh instlals, all hte rest have been progressive upgrades through versions so never instlaled it from distro > >and RH wont say (at least publicly) why :) > > Well, now you know. ;o) Feel free to create new consipiracy > theories, they're fun to resolve with factual information. ;o) Calling mulder now :) > > > -- Regards, Res Network Administrator Postmaster / Abusemaster / Flamemaster http://www.ausics.net Australian Hosting Services From pmatilai at welho.com Fri Oct 24 08:05:11 2003 From: pmatilai at welho.com (Panu Matilainen) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 11:05:11 +0300 Subject: Games doesent work in Fedora test 3 In-Reply-To: References: <3F95769F.3080502@linuxin.dk> <3F959DAF.60305@linuxin.dk> <200310211410.02540.jkeating@j2solutions.net> <3F960C98.9060901@linuxin.dk> <1066809492.5398.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> <3F96974A.4060801@linuxin.dk> <3F96B61D.30902@tmsusa.com> <1066868624.25815.38.camel@earth.xades.com> <1066913054.25815.59.camel@earth.xades.com> Message-ID: <1066982711.3f98dd37c99c5@webmail.welho.com> Quoting "Mike A. Harris" : > On Thu, 23 Oct 2003, nosp wrote: > > >> That just shows you're using a method that is inherently > >> flawed/broken to try to uninstall the package. I don't recommend > >> using apt for anything ever. Use yum, or use rpm directly. > > > >Hmm -- I'm not sure that apt is telling me anything that rpm doesn't > >tell me; actually apt shows me, quicker, how big an effect my desire to > >remove Mesa will have. Here's what rpm tells me: > > apt is telling you it'll gladly uninstall half your system if you > like to remove Mesa. RPM would tell you that there is > dependancies on Mesa from other applications, then you'd say to > yourself "yes, but I am uninstalling one libGL.so.1 and > installing an alternative libGL.so.1, so when I'm done all > dependancies will still be met", then you'd use --nodeps to > uninstall Mesa, and then install Nvidia, and everything is happy. Apt is telling you the same: "this thing has plenty of dependencies and I'd have to remove all this stuff to satisfy dependencies, are you sure you want to do this"? Any dependency resolver would do that, if you start using --nodeps then you're simply out of depsolver territory. The -GL.rpm could have obsolete/conflict on the original package and the depsolver-of-your-choice could then cleanly resolve the situation. Until the day cowboys come home and packages are sane.. well, use the right tool for the job: rpm -e --nodeps etc. -- - Panu - From pmatilai at welho.com Fri Oct 24 08:17:36 2003 From: pmatilai at welho.com (Panu Matilainen) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 11:17:36 +0300 Subject: Games doesent work in Fedora test 3 In-Reply-To: <1066980296.3246.29.camel@CirithUngol> References: <3F95769F.3080502@linuxin.dk> <3F959DAF.60305@linuxin.dk> <200310211410.02540.jkeating@j2solutions.net> <3F960C98.9060901@linuxin.dk> <1066980296.3246.29.camel@CirithUngol> Message-ID: <1066983456.3f98e020de513@webmail.welho.com> Quoting Andrew Farris : > Yes a more robust install method that supports packaging systems would > be useful, especially if they stopped overwriting files all over the > place. The installer does contain a tarball extraction option, from > which you could easily build an rpm (just need a spec, which there have > been several floating around). You could then see conflicts occur > before the install, thx to rpm. RedHat isn't responsible for creation > of these packages however, its not their driver. Yup.. from https://bugzilla.fedora.us/show_bug.cgi?id=402: --- Took a while, but now I've finally put together something that works. I've written a python script using the same XF86Config library that the redhat-config-xfree86 utility uses, which performs automatic configuration of XF86Config upon installation an uninstallation. Basically, it goes something like this: 1) yum install nvidia-glx (or apt :-) 2) Restart X. 3) It works. --- -- - Panu - From pmatilai at welho.com Fri Oct 24 08:19:30 2003 From: pmatilai at welho.com (Panu Matilainen) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 11:19:30 +0300 Subject: Problem building custom kernel In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1066983570.3f98e092a7b2c@webmail.welho.com> Quoting "Vanco, Don" : > starting with "make mrproper" has been the recomended course since 7.2 or > 7.3 IIRC Not recommended but mandatory. The reason is that the kernel-source package has the tree in a state which allows compiling external modules against it *without* messing around with make oldconfig; make dep etc. -- - Panu - From fedora at warmcat.com Fri Oct 24 08:21:59 2003 From: fedora at warmcat.com (Andy Green) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 09:21:59 +0100 Subject: Two tiny bugs (Anaconda/install, KDE) In-Reply-To: <1066989870.27981.19.camel@lappen> References: <1066989870.27981.19.camel@lappen> Message-ID: <200310240921.59245.fedora@warmcat.com> On Friday 24 October 2003 11:04, Johnny Ljunggren wrote: > KDE: (this bug is tiny, almost invisible) > When the KDE splash screen comes up, and the second icon is flashing, a > small part of the next icon is flashing too. So when the third icon is > flashing a small part on the left is not flashing. Not really a show > stopper, but it looks weird. That's been around since RH9 at least :-) It would be nice to adjust it a few pixels but I thought it was just me being picky :-) -Andy From pboy at barkhof.uni-bremen.de Fri Oct 24 08:43:59 2003 From: pboy at barkhof.uni-bremen.de (Peter Boy) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 10:43:59 +0200 Subject: up2date crashes und some circumstances Message-ID: <1066985039.5287.29.camel@ibmLaptop.athome.de> I just made a fresh install of FC test 3 and started up2date to get all the fixes (rawhide seems to be working, again). After reading the header.info a windows is displayed with a list of packages which need an update. When I select "update all packages" a window shows up "Testing package set / solving RPM inter-deps" The program is hanging with that window. If I move it it is not redrawn. When I try to close it after waiting for half an hour I get the message: Window Progress Dialog does not react and can choose to force a window close or not. When I select a random number of individual packages (but not all at the same time) anything works fine. Did anybody else observe this behaviour? Is it a bug in up2date or due to some package inconsistincies in rawhide? By the way: Are there planings for this message box to give a better feedback wether it is working or not? Peter From alex at taipang.com Fri Oct 24 08:20:01 2003 From: alex at taipang.com (Alor) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 14:20:01 +0600 Subject: How can I use TV-out in Fedora 0.95? Message-ID: <200310241420.01170.alex@taipang.com> Can I use TV-out of Chaintech G-482 GEFORCE 4 MX440 AGP8x in Fedora? Alor. From fedora at warmcat.com Fri Oct 24 08:58:30 2003 From: fedora at warmcat.com (Andy Green) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 09:58:30 +0100 Subject: up2date crashes und some circumstances In-Reply-To: <1066985039.5287.29.camel@ibmLaptop.athome.de> References: <1066985039.5287.29.camel@ibmLaptop.athome.de> Message-ID: <200310240958.30991.fedora@warmcat.com> On Friday 24 October 2003 09:43, Peter Boy wrote: > When I select a random number of individual packages (but not all at the > same time) anything works fine. > > Did anybody else observe this behaviour? Is it a bug in up2date or due > to some package inconsistincies in rawhide? Yes, I got this, it caused me a lot of grief. I downloaded everything that did not freeze up2date, and then downloaded the bad boys by hand from the repository and installed them by rpm -U directly. I believe its a bug in up2date triggered when the installed packages have dependencies on other packages not also selected, because that's what I was seeing when I installed them using rpm on the console. If you didn't already, try selecting only up2date and the up2date ui packages and updating just those, and trying again. I think whatever this bug was, it may have been fixed. After doing the updates by hand as I described, I no longer get this behaviour.... whether the fix was in up2date or the repository I have no idea. -Andy From teg at pvv.org Fri Oct 24 09:07:42 2003 From: teg at pvv.org (Trond Eivind =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Glomsr=F8d?=) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 11:07:42 +0200 Subject: Open GL screensaver crashes X In-Reply-To: <1066989605.27981.14.camel@lappen> References: <1066989605.27981.14.camel@lappen> Message-ID: <1066986461.7751.7.camel@pc-32.office.scali.no> On Fri, 2003-10-24 at 12:00, Johnny Ljunggren wrote: > I'm using a Matrox G450 on a freshly installed FCt3-system with no > updates (yet). Whenever the screensaver kicks in, and an Open GL-saver > is the next in line, X crashes. > What can be done about that? The system looks very unstable now. > Of course, I can turn off the screen saver, or maybe install the latest > drivers from matrox, but that doesn't solve the problem for the next > guy. Do OpenGL programs crash under normal use? Does it happen if you run the screensavers from the commandline? FWIW, it works great with the NVidia driver and with the i855 here (the latter needs me to run a special program to allocate memory so it can run more than 1024x768x8bpp, though... with memory allocated, only native 1400x1050 is missing) From johnny at navtek.no Fri Oct 24 09:33:59 2003 From: johnny at navtek.no (Johnny Ljunggren) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 11:33:59 +0200 Subject: Open GL screensaver crashes X In-Reply-To: <1066986461.7751.7.camel@pc-32.office.scali.no> References: <1066989605.27981.14.camel@lappen> <1066986461.7751.7.camel@pc-32.office.scali.no> Message-ID: <1066988038.5593.5.camel@lappen> fre, 24.10.2003 kl. 11.07 skrev Trond Eivind Glomsr?d: > On Fri, 2003-10-24 at 12:00, Johnny Ljunggren wrote: > > I'm using a Matrox G450 on a freshly installed FCt3-system with no > > updates (yet). Whenever the screensaver kicks in, and an Open GL-saver > > is the next in line, X crashes. > Do OpenGL programs crash under normal use? Does it happen if you run the > screensavers from the commandline? They don't crash under normal use. Both glxgears (program) and glforestfire (screensaver) works ok from the commandline. Maybe the problem is related to me running dual head, and the matrox card is unable to hardware accelerate screen 2? If I start glforestfire and drag the window to screen two, the window is rendered all black, but it doesn't crash though. -- Johnny Ljunggren From fedora at andrewfarris.com Fri Oct 24 09:36:45 2003 From: fedora at andrewfarris.com (Andrew Farris) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 02:36:45 -0700 Subject: up2date crashes und some circumstances In-Reply-To: <1066985039.5287.29.camel@ibmLaptop.athome.de> References: <1066985039.5287.29.camel@ibmLaptop.athome.de> Message-ID: <1066988205.29218.3.camel@CirithUngol> On Fri, 2003-10-24 at 01:43, Peter Boy wrote: > I just made a fresh install of FC test 3 and started up2date to get all > the fixes (rawhide seems to be working, again). > > After reading the header.info a windows is displayed with a list of > packages which need an update. When I select "update all packages" a > window shows up "Testing package set / solving RPM inter-deps" The > program is hanging with that window. Did you update up2date first? It really should be the first one you try, and alone. The retry for other packages, it is a beta up2date on the cds. :) > By the way: Are there planings for this message box to give a better > feedback wether it is working or not? There was mention of this earlier, specifically that up2date needs to recognize when the server is down, and handle that intelligently. This would be a very similar improvement. > Peter > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list -- Andrew Farris From ba at linuxin.dk Fri Oct 24 09:43:45 2003 From: ba at linuxin.dk (Bjorn Andersen) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 11:43:45 +0200 Subject: Games doesent work in Fedora test 3 In-Reply-To: References: <3F95769F.3080502@linuxin.dk> <3F959DAF.60305@linuxin.dk> <200310211410.02540.jkeating@j2solutions.net> <3F960C98.9060901@linuxin.dk> Message-ID: <3F98F451.6050808@linuxin.dk> The problem was solved. It was the XFree86-Mesa-libGL making trouble. After uninstalling with "rpm -e XFree86-Mesa-libGL --nodeps" evrything works fine. And I think that making Videogames working under RedHat/Fedora is the ONLY way to get Linux out to the masses... NO homeuser will ever touch Linux if they cant play! Regards Bjorn Andersen Mike A. Harris skrev: >On Wed, 22 Oct 2003, Bjorn Andersen wrote: > > > >>>Oh we can care, but we can't do much about it, since we don't write the >>>nvidia binary drivers. Nvidia has never supported beta releases of >>>Linux distributions. Fedora Core is still in beta. Once Fedora Core 1 >>>is released, then you can expect some support from Nvidia, and have a >>>better argument when you contact nvidia for help. Until then, tough. >>> >>> >>Hmmm, its 75% of all OpenGL games that doesent work. I dont think thats >>an Nvidia problem. >> >> > >I'm not sure spending resources on making video games work in >Linux is the most useful use of Red Hat engineering resources. > >Video games will work better in Linux when there are more people >interested in video games working better spending their personal >time to volunteer to debug video drivers, etc. so that the games >run better. > >Alternatively, a company who thinks that video games in Linux are >a viable and attractive business model might decide to invest >money into making video game infrastructure better. > >Until either of those things happen, video games in Linux are >nothing more than an extremely small hobbiest/enthusiast niche. > >That's the business reality of things anyway. I'd love to see >video games work rock solid on all video hardware in Linux, but >that's not going to happen without a large number of volunteer >programmers getting their fingers dirty with gdb and debugging >DRI problems when they have them with OpenGL games, and >submitting patches. > >As for the proprietary driver side of things, well 3D games in >Linux wont be much of a reality until both video game companies >and video hardware companies both decide to improve the situation >because they see a viable business opportunity. To date that >hasn't happened, and every single video game company that has >produced Linux versions of their games, has done so either at a >revenue loss, or has done so more or less as a charity thing >because they think Linux is just too cool to not make their game >available for. id Software, and Crack.com come to mind >immediately for the latter category. I believe both companies >have stated publically they've never made enough money off of >Linux games to cover the costs involved with producing the game. >Someone would have to search google for quotes however. > >Games are cool, but not essential to business or the enterprise. > >It's up to computer geeks such as ourselves to fix the problems >ourselves with our spare time as volunteers who care about games >working in Linux, if we want the situation to change. > >Personally, I'd love to spend a week or 2 nonstop hacking on >various DRI problems I see reported in games, but I can only >really justify doing that in my own personal spare time, and I >don't really have very much personal spare time. The DRI project >is always looking for new volunteers however, and anyone who >thinks they can contribute is welcome to come and join our Monday >IRC meetings on #dri-devel on irc.freenode.net and to lurk in the >channel the rest of the week asking questions when developers are >around. Usually myself, MrCooper, anholt are there, and >sometimes "idr" and others. If we're not too busy, we're often >happy to lend a helping hand to an enthusiastic positive minded >person who has their X server sitting in gdb, and is poking >printk()s in the kernel DRM driver. ;o) > >Also, I posted recently to xfree86-list that I spend some of my >spare time unfortunately having to vacuum my house, do the >dishes, and other cleaning tasks/chores... If someone were to >come over on Saturday/Sunday and do this for me, it could free up >hours and hours of DRI debugging time. ;o) > >/me runs > > > -- Linux Because making UNIX user friendly is easier then debugging Windows From ba at linuxin.dk Fri Oct 24 09:44:38 2003 From: ba at linuxin.dk (Bjorn Andersen) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 11:44:38 +0200 Subject: How can I use TV-out in Fedora 0.95? In-Reply-To: <200310241420.01170.alex@taipang.com> References: <200310241420.01170.alex@taipang.com> Message-ID: <3F98F486.9000100@linuxin.dk> Alor skrev: >Can I use TV-out of Chaintech G-482 GEFORCE 4 MX440 AGP8x in Fedora? > > Yes, use YANC for that, or ad the lines in XF86Config maually. -- Linux Because making UNIX user friendly is easier then debugging Windows From pboy at barkhof.uni-bremen.de Fri Oct 24 09:45:32 2003 From: pboy at barkhof.uni-bremen.de (Peter Boy) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 11:45:32 +0200 Subject: up2date crashes und some circumstances In-Reply-To: <200310240958.30991.fedora@warmcat.com> References: <1066985039.5287.29.camel@ibmLaptop.athome.de> <200310240958.30991.fedora@warmcat.com> Message-ID: <1066988732.5287.36.camel@ibmLaptop.athome.de> Hello Andy and Andrew, Am Fr, den 24.10.2003 schrieb Andy Green um 10:58: > If you didn't already, try selecting only up2date and the up2date ui packages > and updating just those, and trying again. I think whatever this bug was, it > may have been fixed. I just downloaded the current version in rawhide (up2date-4.1.9-1). Same problem here. @redhat: There seems to be no entry in bugzilla for this problem. The problem description is quite unspecific for now, esp. it is hard to describe how to reproduce because rawhide is in flux. But it may be worth to be handled before Fedora release. How to report this kind of problems? Peter From markkukolkka at kolumbus.fi Fri Oct 24 10:06:33 2003 From: markkukolkka at kolumbus.fi (Markku Kolkka) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 13:06:33 +0300 Subject: Problem building custom kernel In-Reply-To: <20031023164738.11fa8a03.jwendel@fnmoc.navy.mil> References: <20031023164738.11fa8a03.jwendel@fnmoc.navy.mil> Message-ID: <200310241306.33743.markkukolkka@kolumbus.fi> John Wendel kirjoitti viestiss??n (l?hetysaika Perjantai 24. Lokakuuta 2003 02:47): > Or maybe I'm just not doing the right thing to build the kernel ? That's the right answer, _you_ must "make mrproper" as the first step of building the kernel. http://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/linux/RHL-9-Manual/custom-guide/s1-custom-kernel-modularized.html -- Markku Kolkka markku.kolkka at iki.fi From toni at maxlove.com.br Fri Oct 24 10:38:12 2003 From: toni at maxlove.com.br (Toni Guedes) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 08:38:12 -0200 Subject: DRI with radeon 7200 & via kt600 Message-ID: <004401c39a1a$ed8ace30$fc01a8c0@cpdtoni> Hi, When will 3D aceleration works with my ATI radeon 7200/MSI KT6 Delta-FISR (via kt600) board? Thanks in advance, ____________________________ Toni Guedes - Inform?tica/CPD Max Love Cosm?ticos Ltda. ___________________________ From aoliva at redhat.com Fri Oct 24 10:40:48 2003 From: aoliva at redhat.com (Alexandre Oliva) Date: 24 Oct 2003 08:40:48 -0200 Subject: lilo vs grub In-Reply-To: <200310232253.h9NMrFi21651@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <200310232253.h9NMrFi21651@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: On Oct 23, 2003, Alan Cox wrote: >> it right, and worked. But then, I want to replace the broken hda. So >> I insert a new disk there, and voila, can't reboot. > Same if you shoot the machine with a rocket propelled grenade. The PC > isnt idiot proof. Users do care it survives the disk fail, managing the > disk replacement is easily done, and as I said this was a real commercial > project and it worked a treat. The replacement disk was already bootable > when inserted I don't dispute it can be done. I just dispute the `lilo works with raid1 out of the box.' There are many issues in which it's essential that the user understands what's going on, and the limitations of the approach lilo takes, to enable things to actually `just work.' This is the only point I'm trying to make. -- Alexandre Oliva Enjoy Guarana', see http://www.ic.unicamp.br/~oliva/ Red Hat GCC Developer aoliva@{redhat.com, gcc.gnu.org} CS PhD student at IC-Unicamp oliva@{lsd.ic.unicamp.br, gnu.org} Free Software Evangelist Professional serial bug killer From aoliva at redhat.com Fri Oct 24 10:44:46 2003 From: aoliva at redhat.com (Alexandre Oliva) Date: 24 Oct 2003 08:44:46 -0200 Subject: up2date crashes und some circumstances In-Reply-To: <200310240958.30991.fedora@warmcat.com> References: <1066985039.5287.29.camel@ibmLaptop.athome.de> <200310240958.30991.fedora@warmcat.com> Message-ID: On Oct 24, 2003, Andy Green wrote: > I believe its a bug in up2date triggered when the installed packages have > dependencies on other packages not also selected This is my impression. It seems that up2date removes .hdr files formerly downloaded from apt repos when it installs the corresponding packages. Then, if it needs to resolve dependencies, it tries to open the .hdr files it had removed without downloading them again, and gets into an infinite loop. I'm yet to file this in bugzilla :-( -- Alexandre Oliva Enjoy Guarana', see http://www.ic.unicamp.br/~oliva/ Red Hat GCC Developer aoliva@{redhat.com, gcc.gnu.org} CS PhD student at IC-Unicamp oliva@{lsd.ic.unicamp.br, gnu.org} Free Software Evangelist Professional serial bug killer From fedora at andrewfarris.com Fri Oct 24 10:47:18 2003 From: fedora at andrewfarris.com (Andrew Farris) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 03:47:18 -0700 Subject: How can I use TV-out in Fedora 0.95? In-Reply-To: <3F98F486.9000100@linuxin.dk> References: <200310241420.01170.alex@taipang.com> <3F98F486.9000100@linuxin.dk> Message-ID: <1066992438.29218.7.camel@CirithUngol> On Fri, 2003-10-24 at 02:44, Bjorn Andersen wrote: > Alor skrev: > > >Can I use TV-out of Chaintech G-482 GEFORCE 4 MX440 AGP8x in Fedora? > > You can, but not until installing the proprietary nvidia driver, afaik there is no way to support this without it. This you get from their download site and install as per the Readme... however it does mess with your system some. -- Andrew Farris From christoph.wickert at web.de Fri Oct 24 11:09:49 2003 From: christoph.wickert at web.de (Christoph Wickert) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 13:09:49 +0200 Subject: Login-program crashes (FCt3) In-Reply-To: <1066989366.27981.9.camel@lappen> References: <1066989366.27981.9.camel@lappen> Message-ID: <1066993789.6126.5.camel@hal9000.lokales.netz> Am Fr, den 24.10.2003 schrieb Johnny Ljunggren um 11:56: > I also checked the /etc/X11/prefdm which I believe is run when starting > X, and the file /etc/sysconfig/desktop is used to check the preferred > display manager. That file contains this line DESKTOP=GNOME (although I > use KDE) change it to KDE then and KDE will be the default desktop for all users, if they don't choose another one > , but the prefdm-script uses $DISPLAYMANAGER to start the > correct login program (gdm/kdm/xdm). Just add a second line: DISLPAYMANEGR="KDE" and you'll have kdm. Christoph -- Christoph Wickert From shrek-m at gmx.de Fri Oct 24 11:22:10 2003 From: shrek-m at gmx.de (shrek-m at gmx.de) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 13:22:10 +0200 Subject: Games doesent work in Fedora test 3 In-Reply-To: <3F98F451.6050808@linuxin.dk> References: <3F95769F.3080502@linuxin.dk> <3F959DAF.60305@linuxin.dk> <200310211410.02540.jkeating@j2solutions.net> <3F960C98.9060901@linuxin.dk> <3F98F451.6050808@linuxin.dk> Message-ID: <3F990B62.1090603@gmx.de> Bjorn Andersen wrote: > And I think that making Videogames working under RedHat/Fedora is the > ONLY way to get Linux out to the masses... > > NO homeuser will ever touch Linux if they cant play! sure, i am a linux-homeuser and i have _lost_ at least 24 hours of my life whith playing games (since dos 3.2) 20 hours under dos/win (15 hours playing tomb-raider after a knee-operation) 4 hours under linux (experimental) and my psyschiatrist is telling me that i am really normal -- shrek-m From xose at wanadoo.es Fri Oct 24 11:27:08 2003 From: xose at wanadoo.es (Xose Vazquez Perez) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 13:27:08 +0200 Subject: [OT] Re: Suggestions for a good graphics card for RH9/Fedora? References: <20031023144318.20565.qmail@web40304.mail.yahoo.com> <3F97F85A.9060908@wanadoo.es> Message-ID: <3F990C8C.109@wanadoo.es> Mike A. Harris wrote: > video memory affects performance at all, is when the software you > are using has a LOT of textures, and the textures do not fit into > video memory anymore. When textures don't fit into video memory, > then AGP textures must be used which are slower. If you run a > high end modern game like UT2003, you will definitely see a very > big difference between a 64Mb and a 128Mb card, with both clocked > identically with same speed and same type of memory, because the > game will fill video memory on both cards easily. I only speak about what I have seen. I don't play games in PC, consoles are faster and cheaper ;-) http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/video/print/gig-radeon9200.html http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/video/print/radeon-9100.html -- HTML mails are going to trash automatically From xose at wanadoo.es Fri Oct 24 11:27:34 2003 From: xose at wanadoo.es (Xose Vazquez Perez) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 13:27:34 +0200 Subject: Two tiny bugs (Anaconda/install, KDE) References: <1066989870.27981.19.camel@lappen> Message-ID: <3F990CA6.7020103@wanadoo.es> Johnny Ljunggren wrote: > Install: > When choosing Norwegian as the install language, the next page selecting > the keyboard has not automatically selected the corresponding keyboard. > In fact, no keyboard at all is selected. the same here with rh9: http://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=89746 -- HTML mails are going to trash automatically From pboy at barkhof.uni-bremen.de Fri Oct 24 11:31:46 2003 From: pboy at barkhof.uni-bremen.de (Peter Boy) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 13:31:46 +0200 Subject: up2date crashes und some circumstances In-Reply-To: References: <1066985039.5287.29.camel@ibmLaptop.athome.de> <200310240958.30991.fedora@warmcat.com> Message-ID: <1066995106.5287.63.camel@ibmLaptop.athome.de> Am Fr, den 24.10.2003 schrieb Alexandre Oliva um 12:44: > On Oct 24, 2003, Andy Green wrote: > > > I believe its a bug in up2date triggered when the installed packages have > > dependencies on other packages not also selected > > This is my impression. It seems that up2date removes .hdr files > formerly downloaded from apt repos when it installs the corresponding > packages. Then, if it needs to resolve dependencies, it tries to open > the .hdr files it had removed without downloading them again, and gets > into an infinite loop. May be, the problem here is a different one. I could track the problem a little bit further. The problems were due to the inclusion of abiword 2.0.0-3 and librsvg2 2.4.0-2 into the set of files to be updated. I had installed Abiword (2.0.0-3) for some reason. up2date did find a newer version (2.0.0-6) and tries to update. The newer version depends on a package, the older version obiously did not (libcroco, don't know about it) and therefore libcroco is not installed on my system. up2date tries to perform an update, but couldn't update libcroco, because it isn't installed yet. up2date had to update abiword but first install a new package, libcroco. This doesn't work for some reason. As soon, as I install libcroco manually from test 3 CD-3 (same version as currently in Rawhide), I can use up2date to update abiword as usual. Same pattern with librsvg2. The new version in rawhide depends on libcroco, too, the old one of the test-2 ISO images obviously did not (otherwise it had been installed). After installing libcroco I could use up2date to update librsvg2, too. I don't know the logic of the up2date program, but I suppose the error is not due to prior deletion of .hdr files. Perhaps I should add my findings to your bugzilla entry or should I file a new bug? Peter From fedora at warmcat.com Fri Oct 24 11:39:12 2003 From: fedora at warmcat.com (Andy Green) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 12:39:12 +0100 Subject: up2date crashes und some circumstances In-Reply-To: <1066995106.5287.63.camel@ibmLaptop.athome.de> References: <1066985039.5287.29.camel@ibmLaptop.athome.de> <1066995106.5287.63.camel@ibmLaptop.athome.de> Message-ID: <200310241239.12798.fedora@warmcat.com> On Friday 24 October 2003 12:31, Peter Boy wrote: > Am Fr, den 24.10.2003 schrieb Alexandre Oliva um 12:44: > > On Oct 24, 2003, Andy Green wrote: > > > I believe its a bug in up2date triggered when the installed packages > > > have dependencies on other packages not also selected > > > > This is my impression. It seems that up2date removes .hdr files > > formerly downloaded from apt repos when it installs the corresponding > > packages. Then, if it needs to resolve dependencies, it tries to open > > the .hdr files it had removed without downloading them again, and gets > > into an infinite loop. Could be, but there is no CPU being used IIRC. > May be, the problem here is a different one. I could track the problem a > little bit further. > > The problems were due to the inclusion of abiword 2.0.0-3 and librsvg2 > 2.4.0-2 into the set of files to be updated. .... > new package, libcroco. This doesn't work for some reason. As soon, as I > install libcroco manually from test 3 CD-3 (same version as currently in > Rawhide), I can use up2date to update abiword as usual. FWIW my experience was similar, installing test 2 on a machine and trying to update from there led to 8-10 'bad 'uns' last week. One of them I remember was rhgb having an unmet dependency to libvte which was in the vte* package, which I did not have installed. So the exact bad package list would quite reasonably depend of what you had installed and what was in the repository, and if any packages you updated had grown new deps since the installed version (I think this happened to rhgb with the details... thing). -Andy From paul at frields.com Fri Oct 24 12:13:38 2003 From: paul at frields.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: 24 Oct 2003 08:13:38 -0400 Subject: laptop dhcp fails on severn In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1066997618.3383.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2003-10-23 at 21:25, sean darcy wrote: > Something's screwed up. Don't think it's dhclient or dhcpd - tried both. > Here's a snippet from ethereal of traffic over the card. It's sending out > discovers and getting back offers. But it doesn't seem to see them. Is > dhclient responsible for seeing them? Since the workstation had the same > dhclient rpm, I assume it's a network script problem related to pcmcia. > > Does anyone have a pcmcia network card that works with dhcp under severn? For whatever it's worth, I have a FC-0.95 (Severn3) laptop, updated to current rawhide contents, on which PCMCIA NIC works fine w/DHCP. The NIC is a Xircom IIps (16-bit). -- Paul W. Frields From mharris at redhat.com Fri Oct 24 12:13:50 2003 From: mharris at redhat.com (Mike A. Harris) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 08:13:50 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Games doesent work in Fedora test 3 In-Reply-To: <1066982711.3f98dd37c99c5@webmail.welho.com> References: <3F95769F.3080502@linuxin.dk> <3F959DAF.60305@linuxin.dk> <200310211410.02540.jkeating@j2solutions.net> <3F960C98.9060901@linuxin.dk> <1066809492.5398.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> <3F96974A.4060801@linuxin.dk> <3F96B61D.30902@tmsusa.com> <1066868624.25815.38.camel@earth.xades.com> <1066913054.25815.59.camel@earth.xades.com> <1066982711.3f98dd37c99c5@webmail.welho.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 24 Oct 2003, Panu Matilainen wrote: >> apt is telling you it'll gladly uninstall half your system if you >> like to remove Mesa. RPM would tell you that there is >> dependancies on Mesa from other applications, then you'd say to >> yourself "yes, but I am uninstalling one libGL.so.1 and >> installing an alternative libGL.so.1, so when I'm done all >> dependancies will still be met", then you'd use --nodeps to >> uninstall Mesa, and then install Nvidia, and everything is happy. > >Apt is telling you the same: "this thing has plenty of dependencies and I'd have >to remove all this stuff to satisfy dependencies, are you sure you want to do >this"? Any dependency resolver would do that, if you start using --nodeps then >you're simply out of depsolver territory. I realize that. What I'm saying is that "rpm -e --nodeps" of a package, removes *that one* package. Telling apt it is ok to remove the deps too will remove half of your OS. That's not what someone wants. >The -GL.rpm could have obsolete/conflict on the >original package and the depsolver-of-your-choice could then >cleanly resolve the situation. Until the day cowboys come home >and packages are sane.. well, use the right tool for the job: >rpm -e --nodeps etc. Nvidia should have Conflicts: XFree86-Mesa-libGL in their package ultimately. That would tell users they must uninstall Mesa first. Or, they could just not do the bogus file removal trickery at all, and rpm will automatically detect file conflict. Their installer could detect that automatically, and offer to replace the system supplied libGL by uninstalling the XFree86-Mesa-libGL package. That would be the cleanest method IMHO, but I'm not sure how easy it would be to convince them to do that. Their users will have unnecessary problems and difficulties though until they make their installation process and rpm packaging nicer. I'd even be willing to discuss it with them and offer them advice if I knew who to contact there. -- Mike A. Harris ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris OS Systems Engineer - XFree86 maintainer - Red Hat From mharris at redhat.com Fri Oct 24 12:18:16 2003 From: mharris at redhat.com (Mike A. Harris) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 08:18:16 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Open GL screensaver crashes X In-Reply-To: <1066988038.5593.5.camel@lappen> References: <1066989605.27981.14.camel@lappen> <1066986461.7751.7.camel@pc-32.office.scali.no> <1066988038.5593.5.camel@lappen> Message-ID: On Fri, 24 Oct 2003, Johnny Ljunggren wrote: >> > I'm using a Matrox G450 on a freshly installed FCt3-system with no >> > updates (yet). Whenever the screensaver kicks in, and an Open GL-saver >> > is the next in line, X crashes. > >> Do OpenGL programs crash under normal use? Does it happen if you run the >> screensavers from the commandline? > >They don't crash under normal use. Both glxgears (program) and >glforestfire (screensaver) works ok from the commandline. Maybe the >problem is related to me running dual head, and the matrox card is >unable to hardware accelerate screen 2? If I start glforestfire and drag >the window to screen two, the window is rendered all black, but it >doesn't crash though. Xinerama + DRI isn't implemented. You can either use Xinerama or use DRI. Trying to use both at once wont work, not for another couple XFree86 releases at least. I'm told the Matrox driver has a MergedFB option which may or may not work by skipping xinerama and doing merged framebuffer in the video driver itself, however I've never tried it, and I dunno if it's in 4.3.0 or just in CVS head. I haven't looked at the mga source for quite some time, so buyer beware. ;o) -- Mike A. Harris ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris OS Systems Engineer - XFree86 maintainer - Red Hat From paul at frields.com Fri Oct 24 12:18:26 2003 From: paul at frields.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: 24 Oct 2003 08:18:26 -0400 Subject: problems using grub In-Reply-To: <20031024012813.22463.qmail@web40306.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20031024012813.22463.qmail@web40306.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1066997906.3383.14.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2003-10-23 at 21:28, Globe Trotter wrote: > df -h gives the following: > > Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on > /dev/hde5 2.9G 2.3G 547M 81% / > /dev/hde1 2.0G 33M 1.9G 2% /new > none 251M 0 251M 0% /dev/shm > /dev/hde6 40G 1.8G 36G 5% /usr/local > > > timeout=10 > splashimage=(hd0,6)/boot/grub/splash.xpm.gz > title Fedora Core (2.4.22-1.2088.nptlsmp) > root (hd0,6) > kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.4.22-1.2088.nptlsmp ro root=/dev/hdg1 > initrd /boot/initrd-2.4.22-1.2088.nptlsmp.img > > title Fedora Core (2.4.22-1.2088.nptlsmp) > root (hd0,6) > kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.4.22-1.2088.nptl ro root=/dev/hdg1 > initrd /boot/initrd-2.4.22-1.2088.nptl.img Shouldn't the "root" declaration here be "root (hd0,4)" since your /boot area is likely on /dev/hde5? Both disks and partitions are numbered from zero. -- Paul W. Frields From mharris at redhat.com Fri Oct 24 12:21:49 2003 From: mharris at redhat.com (Mike A. Harris) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 08:21:49 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Games doesent work in Fedora test 3 In-Reply-To: <3F98F451.6050808@linuxin.dk> References: <3F95769F.3080502@linuxin.dk> <3F959DAF.60305@linuxin.dk> <200310211410.02540.jkeating@j2solutions.net> <3F960C98.9060901@linuxin.dk> <3F98F451.6050808@linuxin.dk> Message-ID: On Fri, 24 Oct 2003, Bjorn Andersen wrote: >The problem was solved. It was the XFree86-Mesa-libGL making >trouble. After uninstalling with "rpm -e XFree86-Mesa-libGL >--nodeps" evrything works fine. And I think that making >Videogames working under RedHat/Fedora is the ONLY way to get >Linux out to the masses... The problem isn't the XFree86-Mesa-libGL package. The problem is Nvidia's packages are horribly packaged and once installed they randomly delete files that the OS installed via RPM. Only Nvidia's code doesn't know about the new thread local storage stuff, so it doesn't delete the secondary libGL libraries, and those libraries get found instead of Nvidia's libGL. If Nvidia's installation was properly implemented to begin with, then Nvidia users would not experience these type of problems. Report this problem to Nvidia and request that they fix their installation to not destroy OS installed libraries and files, but to do it properly instead, and uninstall the Mesa-libGL package automatically so that users don't have to fuss with it themselves. >NO homeuser will ever touch Linux if they cant play! So what? -- Mike A. Harris ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris OS Systems Engineer - XFree86 maintainer - Red Hat From david.balazic at uni-mb.si Fri Oct 24 12:21:07 2003 From: david.balazic at uni-mb.si (DAVID BALAZIC) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 14:21:07 +0200 Subject: Weird root password caching in GNOME Message-ID: <01L27KLFOW6Q0032CL@rcum.uni-mb.si> On a Fedora test3 system I logged into X as a regular user. Started "System Settings / Date & Time" from the menu and was asked for the root password. I entered it and the data/time dialog appeared. I closed it. The status bar had the keys icon on it , indicating that the root password was "cached". Then I started /usr/bin/redhat-config-date from a terminal window and was asked again for the root password ( in a dialog ). Why ? I entered it again, the date/time dialog appeared, I closed it, started again /usr/bin/redhat-config-date and now it did not ask for password. Same problem also with redhat-config-xfree86 , when run from menu, it asks for root password, then if run from terminal it asks again, then when run again from terminal , it does not ask. As if there were a separate "cache" for start menu and terminals. Each terminal that is. Is that by design ? Or a bug ? Regards, David Balazic From mharris at redhat.com Fri Oct 24 12:24:58 2003 From: mharris at redhat.com (Mike A. Harris) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 08:24:58 -0400 (EDT) Subject: DRI with radeon 7200 & via kt600 In-Reply-To: <004401c39a1a$ed8ace30$fc01a8c0@cpdtoni> References: <004401c39a1a$ed8ace30$fc01a8c0@cpdtoni> Message-ID: On Fri, 24 Oct 2003, Toni Guedes wrote: >When will 3D aceleration works with my ATI radeon 7200/MSI KT6 >Delta-FISR (via kt600) board? Since I have absolutely no idea whatsoever what your problem is, all I can say is that that video card has proper working 3D acceleration support, and that it works for me on multiple systems here. If your card is a PCI card, then 3D acceleration is not supported officially but you can try using Option "ForcePCIMode" to enable pcigart mode. If your AGP chipset is unknown, you can try enabling experimental AGP support via modules.conf with agp_try_unsupported=1 for the agpgart driver. Other than that, without details, nobody can help you, and the problem will likely never be resolved. -- Mike A. Harris ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris OS Systems Engineer - XFree86 maintainer - Red Hat From fedora at warmcat.com Fri Oct 24 12:25:21 2003 From: fedora at warmcat.com (Andy Green) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 13:25:21 +0100 Subject: Games doesent work in Fedora test 3 In-Reply-To: <3F990B62.1090603@gmx.de> References: <3F95769F.3080502@linuxin.dk> <3F98F451.6050808@linuxin.dk> <3F990B62.1090603@gmx.de> Message-ID: <200310241325.21230.fedora@warmcat.com> On Friday 24 October 2003 12:22, shrek-m at gmx.de wrote: > and my psyschiatrist is telling me that i am really normal Just like wanting to own a gun should disqualify that person from being licensed to own one, anyone who has a psychiatrist.... ;-) Just kidding, Quake and Doom ate many days of my life too in their day. -Andy From david.balazic at uni-mb.si Fri Oct 24 12:24:34 2003 From: david.balazic at uni-mb.si (DAVID BALAZIC) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 14:24:34 +0200 Subject: Beep on X11 login screen Message-ID: <01L27KOX7B360032CL@rcum.uni-mb.si> I installed Fedora test 3 Each time the X11 login screen appears , I hear a console beep. That is one beep on bootup, and then one each time I logout and the login screen reappears. Older RHL versions did not behave like this ? Change ? Bug ? Does anyone else see this ? Regards, David Balazic From pboy at barkhof.uni-bremen.de Fri Oct 24 12:28:30 2003 From: pboy at barkhof.uni-bremen.de (Peter Boy) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 14:28:30 +0200 Subject: Open GL screensaver crashes X In-Reply-To: References: <1066989605.27981.14.camel@lappen> <1066986461.7751.7.camel@pc-32.office.scali.no> <1066988038.5593.5.camel@lappen> Message-ID: <1066998509.5287.71.camel@ibmLaptop.athome.de> Am Fr, den 24.10.2003 schrieb Mike A. Harris um 14:18: > Xinerama + DRI isn't implemented. You can either use Xinerama or > use DRI. Trying to use both at once wont work, not for another > couple XFree86 releases at least. Wondering about that. In FCt2 I had xinerama display and DRI driver loaded. Or did I miss something? From akabi at speakeasy.net Fri Oct 24 12:35:06 2003 From: akabi at speakeasy.net (ne...) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 08:35:06 -0400 (EDT) Subject: how to use lilo? In-Reply-To: <20031024012116.21616.qmail@web40306.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20031024012116.21616.qmail@web40306.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Oct 23, 2003 at 18:21, Globe Trotter in a soothing rage wrote: >can someone shed light on how to use lilo with fedora (if the real thing will >not have it as an option)? i have the rpms but how do i force it to use lilo >instead of blinking at the GRUB command? Wellm you have to install the lilo rpm and then configure an /etc/lilo.conf file. Next /sbin/lilo -v and make sure there are no error messages. Reboot to test. N.Emile... -- Registered Linux User # 125653 (http://counter.li.org) Switch to: http://www.speakeasy.net/refer/190653 An apple a day makes 365 apples a year. 08:32:45 up 60 days, 20:07, 5 users, load average: 0.02, 0.01, 0.00 From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Fri Oct 24 12:34:49 2003 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 08:34:49 -0400 Subject: Beep on X11 login screen In-Reply-To: <01L27KOX7B360032CL@rcum.uni-mb.si> References: <01L27KOX7B360032CL@rcum.uni-mb.si> Message-ID: <1066998889.7222.55.camel@binkley> On Fri, 2003-10-24 at 08:24, DAVID BALAZIC wrote: > I installed Fedora test 3 > > Each time the X11 login screen appears , I hear a console beep. > That is one beep on bootup, and then one each time I logout and the > login screen reappears. > > Older RHL versions did not behave like this ? > > Change ? Bug ? > Does anyone else see this ? > It is quite intentional - it is there so blind users can know when they have a prompt awaiting login. -sv From david.balazic at uni-mb.si Fri Oct 24 12:36:03 2003 From: david.balazic at uni-mb.si (DAVID BALAZIC) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 14:36:03 +0200 Subject: Strange gnometerm/bash corruption Message-ID: <01L27L2XLK2W0032CL@rcum.uni-mb.si> Fresh fedora test3 install. This is a "screenshot" from a gnome terminal : [stein at localhost stein]$ vi /mnt/floppy/fedorareport/bugs2.wri [stein at localhost stein]$ sync [stein at localhost stein]$ umount /mnt/floppy/.wri [stein at localhost stein]$ sync [stein at localhost stein]$ umount /mnt/floppy/ [stein at localhost stein]$ I did not unmount /mnt/floppy/.wri but /mnt/floppy/ I entered the umount command line by using CRSR-UP to recall "mount /mnt/floppy/" and then pressed HOME and "u" and "ENTER". I don't know how ".wri" got there. Known problem ? Version : gnome-terminal-2.4.0.1-1 Sincerely, David Balazic From jeremyp at pobox.com Fri Oct 24 12:36:54 2003 From: jeremyp at pobox.com (Jeremy Portzer) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 08:36:54 -0400 Subject: no sqare bracket in Evolution search In-Reply-To: <1066966833.29320.2.camel@larch.ollie.clive.ia.us> References: <1066929384.2013.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1066929548.28842.77.camel@zephyr> <1066966833.29320.2.camel@larch.ollie.clive.ia.us> Message-ID: <1066999013.30497.0.camel@jeremy.dtcc.cc.nc.us> On Thu, 2003-10-23 at 23:41, Jeffrey C. Ollie wrote: > On Thu, 2003-10-23 at 12:19, Ben Steeves wrote: > > On Thu, 2003-10-23 at 14:16, Will Backman wrote: > > > Anyone else unable to use the square bracket character in Evolution > > > search field? Worked in Evolution 1.2.2 > > > > I have the same problem -- now that you mention it. :-) > > This is because '[' and ']' are keyboard shortcuts for 'Previous Unread > Message' and 'Next Unread Message' (see the submenu under Actions->Go > To). True, but keyboard shortcuts should be disabled while the focus is in a text field. This should probably filed upstream with Ximian, if it isn't already. --Jeremy -- /---------------------------------------------------------------------\ | Jeremy Portzer jeremyp at pobox.com trilug.org/~jeremy | | GPG Fingerprint: 712D 77C7 AB2D 2130 989F E135 6F9F F7BC CC1A 7B92 | \---------------------------------------------------------------------/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From david.balazic at uni-mb.si Fri Oct 24 12:38:07 2003 From: david.balazic at uni-mb.si (DAVID BALAZIC) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 14:38:07 +0200 Subject: Beep on X11 login screen Message-ID: <01L27L6IDC2M0032CL@rcum.uni-mb.si> seth vidal wrote: >On Fri, 2003-10-24 at 08:24, DAVID BALAZIC wrote: >> I installed Fedora test 3 >> >> Each time the X11 login screen appears , I hear a console beep. >> That is one beep on bootup, and then one each time I logout and the >> login screen reappears. >> >> Older RHL versions did not behave like this ? >> >> Change ? Bug ? >> Does anyone else see this ? >> > >It is quite intentional - it is there so blind users can know when they >have a prompt awaiting login. Can it be turned off ? I guess it can, but I am not at my fedora system right now, so I can't check... -- David Balazic E-mail : david.balazic at uni-mb.si | living in sLOVEnija home page: http://surf.to/stein -- From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Fri Oct 24 12:40:11 2003 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 08:40:11 -0400 Subject: Beep on X11 login screen In-Reply-To: <01L27L6IDC2M0032CL@rcum.uni-mb.si> References: <01L27L6IDC2M0032CL@rcum.uni-mb.si> Message-ID: <1066999210.7222.57.camel@binkley> > Can it be turned off ? > I guess it can, but I am not at my fedora system right now, so I can't check... to my knowledge, no, it cannot be disabled. And why does it matter? It's a single beep. -sv From don.vanco at agilysys.com Fri Oct 24 12:52:56 2003 From: don.vanco at agilysys.com (Vanco, Don) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 08:52:56 -0400 Subject: Mozilla 1.4.1 and http transfer oddities Message-ID: gsc wrote: > I never download large files using mozilla download manager... So you're saying this because of personal choice and the general (lack of) capabilities of http transfer - or because you get reproducible errors in Mozilla?? I'm well familiar with best practice, but I'm trying to determine if I've got a genuine bug here... Don From david.balazic at uni-mb.si Fri Oct 24 12:56:39 2003 From: david.balazic at uni-mb.si (DAVID BALAZIC) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 14:56:39 +0200 Subject: Scheduler, responsiveness Message-ID: <01L27LPBUZZO0032CL@rcum.uni-mb.si> I installed fedora test3 ( athlon kernel , vesa X11 driver ) and went to install UT2003. It basically reads fles from the CD, decompresses them and saves them to the hard drive. During the procedure, the system was very sluggish, sometimes the GUI appeared frozen for several seconds. For example I tryed to run "vi /mnt/floppy/some_file.txt" as root on VT1 and it took several seconds ( the floppy access was not the bottleneck ). Also just moving windows around in X was very sluggish. I think this is below the level of acceptable. The kernel is kernel-2.4.22-1.2088.nptl ( athlon ) I have DMA on all ATA(PI) devices enabled. Any comments, ideas ? Regards, David Balazic From aoliva at redhat.com Fri Oct 24 12:58:56 2003 From: aoliva at redhat.com (Alexandre Oliva) Date: 24 Oct 2003 10:58:56 -0200 Subject: up2date crashes und some circumstances In-Reply-To: <1066995106.5287.63.camel@ibmLaptop.athome.de> References: <1066985039.5287.29.camel@ibmLaptop.athome.de> <200310240958.30991.fedora@warmcat.com> <1066995106.5287.63.camel@ibmLaptop.athome.de> Message-ID: On Oct 24, 2003, Peter Boy wrote: > Perhaps I should add my findings to your bugzilla entry or should I file > a new bug? It's a different bug, that I also meant to file, but I hadn't managed to turn into a self-contained, easily reproducible testcase like you seem to have. Please Cc: me when you open your bugzilla, or post the bug number here. Thanks, -- Alexandre Oliva Enjoy Guarana', see http://www.ic.unicamp.br/~oliva/ Red Hat GCC Developer aoliva@{redhat.com, gcc.gnu.org} CS PhD student at IC-Unicamp oliva@{lsd.ic.unicamp.br, gnu.org} Free Software Evangelist Professional serial bug killer From pboy at barkhof.uni-bremen.de Fri Oct 24 13:00:26 2003 From: pboy at barkhof.uni-bremen.de (Peter Boy) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 15:00:26 +0200 Subject: Very strange Desktop Behaviour after Rawhide Update Message-ID: <1067000426.5287.88.camel@ibmLaptop.athome.de> I just did a fresh install of FC text 3 and immediately a complete update to current rawhide. And now there is some troube. 1. I use a Matrox G550 DVI with 2 monitors connected. I configured it to se xinerama using the redhat config tool (very nice). The config file seems to be correct and I couldn't detect any error in the XFree log file. But xinerama doesn't work anymore. I have 2 identical desktops, which display anything in parallel. With FC test 2 I could use xinerama without any problem. 2. If I doubleclick on the "Start Here" or any other icon on the desktop all icons vanish and nothing happens. The right mouse button doesn't work (over the desktop), but I can move the mouse and start programs from the panel and use the right mouse button over the panel. 3. Graphical boot is gone. Peter From rainer.traut at epost.de Fri Oct 24 13:05:35 2003 From: rainer.traut at epost.de (Rainer Traut) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 15:05:35 +0200 Subject: nameserver ip adress disappearing afer install? Message-ID: <3F99239F.1040706@epost.de> Hi, after doing today a RH ES3.0 install and it showed the same behaviour as my fedora test3. I have 2 dns servers, both I fill in while installation, but /etc/resolv.conf afterwards show only the second DNS ip. tried on RHES 3.0 and fedora test3. Is that a known problem? Nobody found this so far? Gruss Rainer From whb at ceimaine.org Fri Oct 24 13:10:17 2003 From: whb at ceimaine.org (Will Backman) Date: 24 Oct 2003 09:10:17 -0400 Subject: no sqare bracket in Evolution search In-Reply-To: <1066999013.30497.0.camel@jeremy.dtcc.cc.nc.us> References: <1066929384.2013.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1066929548.28842.77.camel@zephyr> <1066966833.29320.2.camel@larch.ollie.clive.ia.us> <1066999013.30497.0.camel@jeremy.dtcc.cc.nc.us> Message-ID: <1067001017.9918.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> I have not filed the bug with Novell yet. On Fri, 2003-10-24 at 08:36, Jeremy Portzer wrote: > On Thu, 2003-10-23 at 23:41, Jeffrey C. Ollie wrote: > > On Thu, 2003-10-23 at 12:19, Ben Steeves wrote: > > > On Thu, 2003-10-23 at 14:16, Will Backman wrote: > > > > Anyone else unable to use the square bracket character in Evolution > > > > search field? Worked in Evolution 1.2.2 > > > > > > I have the same problem -- now that you mention it. :-) > > > > This is because '[' and ']' are keyboard shortcuts for 'Previous Unread > > Message' and 'Next Unread Message' (see the submenu under Actions->Go > > To). > > True, but keyboard shortcuts should be disabled while the focus is in a > text field. > > This should probably filed upstream with Ximian, if it isn't already. > > --Jeremy From bcs at metacon.ca Fri Oct 24 13:11:20 2003 From: bcs at metacon.ca (Ben Steeves) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 10:11:20 -0300 Subject: gnome-panel (does havoc read this list? ;-) In-Reply-To: <20031024004759.13966.qmail@web10008.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20031024004759.13966.qmail@web10008.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1067001080.3480.1.camel@zephyr> On Thu, 2003-10-23 at 21:47, Ryan G. wrote: > -Show hide buttons option should remove all decoration from the panel > edge (what use are the handles), what does one do if they want NO > decorations at the edges of the panel? I posted an RFE in the GNOME Bugzilla asking that the handles (which are new in GNOME 2.4 IIRC -- in GNOME 2.2, you used to be able to turn off everything -- and then you couldn't manipulate the dock, get to properties, etc.) take on the attributes of the rest of the panel background (e.g., if you make the panel transparent, the handles should go transparent too). -- Ben Steeves _ bcs at metacon.ca The ASCII ribbon campaign ( ) ben.steeves at unb.ca against HTML e-mail X GPG ID: 0xB3EBF1D9 http://www.metacon.ca/ascii / \ Yahoo Messenger: ben_steeves From david.balazic at uni-mb.si Fri Oct 24 13:11:12 2003 From: david.balazic at uni-mb.si (DAVID BALAZIC) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 15:11:12 +0200 Subject: gnome-panel weird behavior Message-ID: <01L27M92KSMY0032CL@rcum.uni-mb.si> First , I am not fluent in GNOME terminology ... I a fresh fedota t3 system , on the GNOME desktop : right click an entry in start menu ( I used "System Tools / Terminal" ) and select "Add this launcher to panel" in the popup menu. In my case the launcher appeared between the "windows-buttons"(*) area and the "Volume Control" icon, the windows-buttons area was squashed to a size of the other icons on the status bar ( right of the virtual desktop selektor/monitor ), right to it was the newly added terminal launcher, then a large empty space and finally the volume control on its old place. This is not exactly how I would expect it to work. I had to rearrange the items manually to a useful configuration. Regards, David Balazic * - usually the larges part of the "task bar", where button appear for each displayed window ... From johnsonm at redhat.com Fri Oct 24 13:13:51 2003 From: johnsonm at redhat.com (Michael K. Johnson) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 09:13:51 -0400 Subject: Newer ATI Radeon, ATI FireGL, and Nvidia GeForce/Quadro hardwaresupport In-Reply-To: <200310231619.12594.jkeating@j2solutions.net>; from jkeating@j2solutions.net on Thu, Oct 23, 2003 at 04:19:12PM -0700 References: <001701c39917$944b3480$c869fea9@pbr> <20031023154452.GM1528@redhat.com> <53802.203.161.104.72.1066950623.squirrel@www.opensystems.net.au> <200310231619.12594.jkeating@j2solutions.net> Message-ID: <20031024091351.A13203@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Thu, Oct 23, 2003 at 04:19:12PM -0700, Jesse Keating wrote: Content-Description: signed data > On Thursday 23 October 2003 16:10, Peter Robinson wrote: > > I realise that, I was hoping for it to be backported to th RH9 kernel > > when the release of the XFree86 done for RH9 as mentioned in the > > initial post. > > Why not just run the FC kernel on RHL9? Installs/runs just fine. That's probably the best option, at least initially. michaelkjohnson "He that composes himself is wiser than he that composes a book." Linux Application Development -- Ben Franklin http://people.redhat.com/johnsonm/lad/ From david.balazic at uni-mb.si Fri Oct 24 13:12:45 2003 From: david.balazic at uni-mb.si (DAVID BALAZIC) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 15:12:45 +0200 Subject: Windows dragged by ghost hand :-) Message-ID: <01L27MF66DOG0032CL@rcum.uni-mb.si> From rainer.traut at epost.de Fri Oct 24 13:15:35 2003 From: rainer.traut at epost.de (Rainer Traut) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 15:15:35 +0200 Subject: Java crashes thoug I export LD_ASSUME_KERNEL, Domino works now In-Reply-To: <1065952359.884.8.camel@animal> References: <3F8400B5.6030609@epost.de> <200310081218.25383.elwoo@videotron.ca> <3F867EC2.1050202@epost.de> <200310101429.04134.elwoo@videotron.ca> <1065816402.9792.132.camel@palin> <1065952359.884.8.camel@animal> Message-ID: <3F9925F7.4030901@epost.de> Keith Sharp wrote: Sorry for being late but thank you for your answers. Problem I still think is, that the LD_ASSUME_KERNEL varaiable is getting ignored. I don't know if this was intention from Redhat or is really a bug? My intention was/is to run lotus domino on either fedora or RHES3.0. Tried on both, on both the old java 1.3.1 crashes. Java 1.3.1 is shipped with domino (and somehow integrated) but I managed to get it running by replacing the shipped one with 1.42.02 now. Now I'm running not only on unsupported OS but also a no more original Domino... ;) Domino ignores any JAVA_HOME Variables, it uses its own dir structure and comes with his own wrapper. So I had to do some symbolic links and copy some files as the dir structure changed from 1.31 to 1.42. Now Domino runs with jre1.42. If anybody here is interested I will tell. Mail me for that. But question is still there: Is it intention to ignore LD_ASSUME_KERNEL ? > On Fri, 2003-10-10 at 21:06, Edward Muller wrote: > >>I tend to create a java.sh file in /etc/profile.d with the following >>lines: >> >>export JAVA_HOME=/usr/java/j2sdk1.4.2_01 >>PATH=$PATH:$JAVA_HOME/bin >> >>If you use csh you will need to create java.csh instead. > > > This probably won't do what you expect. I guess you will still be > picking up the java installed as part of the GCJ package as > /usr/bin/java. What happens if you run "type -a java" from a bash > prompt? > > >>P.S. I really wish the sun rpms would do something like this. Yes, that is missing! Thank you Rainer From pmatilai at welho.com Fri Oct 24 13:15:43 2003 From: pmatilai at welho.com (Panu Matilainen) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 16:15:43 +0300 Subject: Games doesent work in Fedora test 3 In-Reply-To: References: <3F95769F.3080502@linuxin.dk> <3F959DAF.60305@linuxin.dk> <200310211410.02540.jkeating@j2solutions.net> <3F960C98.9060901@linuxin.dk> <1066809492.5398.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> <3F96974A.4060801@linuxin.dk> <3F96B61D.30902@tmsusa.com> <1066868624.25815.38.camel@earth.xades.com> <1066913054.25815.59.camel@earth.xades.com> <1066982711.3f98dd37c99c5@webmail.welho.com> Message-ID: <1067001343.3f9925ff1eaf2@webmail.welho.com> Quoting "Mike A. Harris" : > On Fri, 24 Oct 2003, Panu Matilainen wrote: > > >> apt is telling you it'll gladly uninstall half your system if you > >> like to remove Mesa. RPM would tell you that there is > >> dependancies on Mesa from other applications, then you'd say to > >> yourself "yes, but I am uninstalling one libGL.so.1 and > >> installing an alternative libGL.so.1, so when I'm done all > >> dependancies will still be met", then you'd use --nodeps to > >> uninstall Mesa, and then install Nvidia, and everything is happy. > > > >Apt is telling you the same: "this thing has plenty of dependencies and I'd > have > >to remove all this stuff to satisfy dependencies, are you sure you want to > do > >this"? Any dependency resolver would do that, if you start using --nodeps > then > >you're simply out of depsolver territory. > > I realize that. What I'm saying is that "rpm -e --nodeps" of a > package, removes *that one* package. Telling apt it is ok to > remove the deps too will remove half of your OS. That's not what > someone wants. Not in this case certainly :) But it is perfectly sane operation in general and (a properly configured) apt will issue various degrees of warnings (in spirit of "stand on your hands, back to the keyboard and type this sentence with your toes to prove you really want this") if you're about to render system unbootable because the operation you're about to do would remove, say, init. > > >The -GL.rpm could have obsolete/conflict on the > >original package and the depsolver-of-your-choice could then > >cleanly resolve the situation. Until the day cowboys come home > >and packages are sane.. well, use the right tool for the job: > >rpm -e --nodeps etc. > > Nvidia should have Conflicts: XFree86-Mesa-libGL in their package > ultimately. That would tell users they must uninstall Mesa > first. Or, they could just not do the bogus file removal > trickery at all, and rpm will automatically detect file conflict. > Their installer could detect that automatically, and offer to > replace the system supplied libGL by uninstalling the > XFree86-Mesa-libGL package. Agreed. > > That would be the cleanest method IMHO, but I'm not sure how easy > it would be to convince them to do that. Their users will have > unnecessary problems and difficulties though until they make > their installation process and rpm packaging nicer. I'd even be > willing to discuss it with them and offer them advice if I knew > who to contact there. Maybe posting on their support board might get things started? Oh and it's not like Nvidia is entirely alone in what they're doing, ATI binary driver rpm's scripts give me the creeps even by looking at them, though miraculously it actually worked :) -- - Panu - From david.balazic at uni-mb.si Fri Oct 24 13:14:47 2003 From: david.balazic at uni-mb.si (DAVID BALAZIC) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 15:14:47 +0200 Subject: Windows dragged by ghost hand :-) Message-ID: <01L27MFLUWYU0032CL@rcum.uni-mb.si> (Sorry for the previous empty mail) fedora test3 / GNOME : Several times in GNOME I noticed , that the mouse is dragging a window, without me clicking any mouse button. The mouse pointer is on the title bar of the window that moves, it has a small + sign next to it, but no mouse button is pressed. As I move the mouse, the window follows. Weird ... If I click the left mouse button, the window is released and everything is normal again. Maybe I accidentally pressed some keyboard shortcut for dragging windows ? -- David Balazic E-mail : david.balazic at uni-mb.si | living in sLOVEnija home page: http://surf.to/stein -- From david.balazic at uni-mb.si Fri Oct 24 13:19:05 2003 From: david.balazic at uni-mb.si (DAVID BALAZIC) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 15:19:05 +0200 Subject: Possible kernel bug Message-ID: <01L27MI752CS0032CL@rcum.uni-mb.si> Warning, this report involves a binary-only driver. If this is a problem for you, press the delete button _NOW_ ! :-) On a fresh fedora test3 install I tryed to install the binary driver for the KyroII gfx chip. When I started X , the system locked up. I know that this might be a purely powervr-driver issue, but at least the "kernel BUG at mmap.c:1408!" message prompted me to send this report. version : kernel-2.4.22-1.2088.nptl prop. driver : powervr-2.00.20-516.tgz ( for Kyro-II gfx card , http://www.powervr.com ) when ? : when starting X with powervr driver ( startx ) what : X loads until an empty screen with the mouse pointer is showed, then a lockup. After reset , I found this in /var/log/messages : The "kernel BUG at mmap.c:1408!" might be a real kernel bug :-) Oct 23 20:33:42 localhost modprobe: modprobe: Can't locate module char-major-226 Oct 23 20:33:42 localhost kernel: [drm] Initialized powervr 1.0.0 20011022 on minor 0 Oct 23 20:33:43 localhost kernel: Linux agpgart interface v0.99 (c) Jeff Hartmann Oct 23 20:33:43 localhost kernel: agpgart: Maximum main memory to use for agp memory: 203M Oct 23 20:33:43 localhost kernel: agpgart: Detected Via Apollo Pro KT400 chipset Oct 23 20:33:43 localhost kernel: agpgart: AGP aperture is 128M @ 0xd0000000 Oct 23 20:33:45 localhost kernel: Unable to handle kernel paging request at virtual address 6b6b6b6b Oct 23 20:33:45 localhost kernel: printing eip: Oct 23 20:33:45 localhost kernel: d097f218 Oct 23 20:33:45 localhost kernel: *pde = 00000000 Oct 23 20:33:45 localhost kernel: Oops: 0000 Oct 23 20:33:45 localhost kernel: agpgart powervr parport_pc lp parport sd_mod autofs 8139too mii sg sr_mod floppy ide-scsi scsi_mod ide-cd cdrom ohci1394 ieee1394 nls_iso8859-1 nls_cp437 vfat Oct 23 20:33:45 localhost kernel: CPU: 0 Oct 23 20:33:45 localhost kernel: EIP: 0060:[] Tainted: P Oct 23 20:33:45 localhost kernel: EFLAGS: 00013202 Oct 23 20:33:45 localhost kernel: Oct 23 20:33:45 localhost kernel: EIP is at powervr_vm_shm_close [powervr] 0x50 (2.4.22-1.2088.nptl) Oct 23 20:33:45 localhost kernel: eax: 00000001 ebx: 6b6b6b6b ecx: 00000002 edx: cd069214 Oct 23 20:33:45 localhost kernel: esi: cd069a0c edi: d09f2140 ebp: cc419c50 esp: cc419c38 Oct 23 20:33:45 localhost kernel: ds: 0068 es: 0068 ss: 0068 Oct 23 20:33:45 localhost kernel: Process X (pid: 4219, stackpage=cc419000) Oct 23 20:33:45 localhost kernel: Stack: 40005000 d09f215c 00000001 cbad1e60 00001000 cf90fd84 40009000 c01332d9 Oct 23 20:33:45 localhost kernel: cbad1e60 cbad1104 00004000 00000001 cbad1d30 00000000 cc418000 cfe36570 Oct 23 20:33:45 localhost kernel: cf90fd84 c014d26a cf90fd84 c0000000 00000000 cc418000 cfe36570 cc419e54 Oct 23 20:33:45 localhost kernel: Call Trace: [] powervr_device [powervr] 0x1c (0xcc419c3c) Oct 23 20:33:45 localhost kernel: [] exit_mmap [kernel] 0x149 (0xcc419c54) Oct 23 20:33:45 localhost kernel: [] exec_mmap [kernel] 0x15a (0xcc419c7c) Oct 23 20:33:45 localhost kernel: [] flush_old_exec [kernel] 0x4a (0xcc419c98) Oct 23 20:33:45 localhost kernel: [] load_elf_binary [kernel] 0x33a (0xcc419cb4) Oct 23 20:33:45 localhost kernel: [] ext3_do_update_inode [ext3] 0x16f (0xcc419cd4) Oct 23 20:33:45 localhost kernel: [] journal_stop_R6e3983c4 [jbd] 0x181 (0xcc419d48) Oct 23 20:33:45 localhost kernel: [] update_atime [kernel] 0x6b (0xcc419da4) Oct 23 20:33:45 localhost kernel: [] ll_copy_from_user [kernel] 0x41 (0xcc419de4) Oct 23 20:33:46 localhost kernel: [] load_elf_binary [kernel] 0x0 (0xcc419df0) Oct 23 20:33:46 localhost kernel: [] search_binary_handler [kernel] 0xee (0xcc419dfc) Oct 23 20:33:46 localhost kernel: [] copy_strings [kernel] 0x1ad (0xcc419e08) Oct 23 20:33:46 localhost kernel: [] do_execve [kernel] 0x180 (0xcc419e44) Oct 23 20:33:46 localhost kernel: [] sys_execve [kernel] 0x50 (0xcc419fa4) Oct 23 20:33:46 localhost kernel: [] system_call [kernel] 0x33 (0xcc419fc0) Oct 23 20:33:46 localhost kernel: Oct 23 20:33:46 localhost kernel: Oct 23 20:33:46 localhost kernel: Code: 8b 03 39 70 40 0f 84 d1 00 00 00 3b 45 08 0f 84 a0 00 00 00 Oct 23 20:33:46 localhost kernel: ------------[ cut here ]------------ Oct 23 20:33:46 localhost kernel: kernel BUG at mmap.c:1408! Oct 23 20:33:46 localhost kernel: invalid operand: 0000 Oct 23 20:33:46 localhost kernel: agpgart powervr parport_pc lp parport sd_mod autofs 8139too mii sg sr_mod floppy ide-scsi scsi_mod ide-cd cdrom ohci1394 ieee1394 nls_iso8859-1 nls_cp437 vfat Oct 23 20:33:46 localhost kernel: CPU: 0 Oct 23 20:33:46 localhost kernel: EIP: 0060:[] Tainted: P Oct 23 20:33:46 localhost kernel: EFLAGS: 00013206 Oct 23 20:33:46 localhost kernel: Oct 23 20:33:46 localhost kernel: EIP is at exit_mmap [kernel] 0xec (2.4.22-1.2088.nptl) Oct 23 20:33:46 localhost kernel: eax: 00000012 ebx: 00000000 ecx: cf90fdb4 edx: cf90f3f4 Oct 23 20:33:46 localhost kernel: esi: cf90fda8 edi: cf90fd84 ebp: 0000000b esp: cc419ae8 Oct 23 20:33:46 localhost kernel: ds: 0068 es: 0068 ss: 0068 Oct 23 20:33:46 localhost kernel: Process X (pid: 4219, stackpage=cc419000) Oct 23 20:33:46 localhost kernel: Stack: 00003086 c03b02a1 00003046 00000001 6b6b6b6b cf90fd84 cf90fda8 cc418000 Oct 23 20:33:46 localhost kernel: 0000000b c011b317 cf90fd84 00003206 cf90fd84 c01209af cf90fd84 cf90fda8 Oct 23 20:33:46 localhost kernel: cc419c04 cf90fda8 00000000 6b6b6b6b c010a100 0000000b c0281951 00000000 Oct 23 20:33:46 localhost kernel: Call Trace: [] mmput [kernel] 0x47 (0xcc419b0c) Oct 23 20:33:46 localhost kernel: [] do_exit [kernel] 0xdf (0xcc419b1c) Oct 23 20:33:46 localhost kernel: [] do_divide_error [kernel] 0x0 (0xcc419b38) Oct 23 20:33:46 localhost kernel: [] do_page_fault [kernel] 0x285 (0xcc419b4c) Oct 23 20:33:46 localhost kernel: [] ext3_do_update_inode [ext3] 0x16f (0xcc419b64) Oct 23 20:33:46 localhost kernel: [] journal_get_write_access_R19e5a16b [jbd] 0x55 (0xcc419b84) Oct 23 20:33:46 localhost kernel: [] kmem_cache_free_one [kernel] 0xf3 (0xcc419bcc) Oct 23 20:33:46 localhost kernel: [] do_page_fault [kernel] 0x0 (0xcc419bf0) Oct 23 20:33:46 localhost kernel: [] error_code [kernel] 0x34 (0xcc419bf8) Oct 23 20:33:46 localhost kernel: [] powervr_device [powervr] 0x0 (0xcc419c14) Oct 23 20:33:46 localhost kernel: [] powervr_vm_shm_close [powervr] 0x50 (0xcc419c2c) Oct 23 20:33:46 localhost kernel: [] powervr_device [powervr] 0x1c (0xcc419c3c) Oct 23 20:33:46 localhost kernel: [] exit_mmap [kernel] 0x149 (0xcc419c54) Oct 23 20:33:46 localhost kernel: [] exec_mmap [kernel] 0x15a (0xcc419c7c) Oct 23 20:33:46 localhost kernel: [] flush_old_exec [kernel] 0x4a (0xcc419c98) Oct 23 20:33:46 localhost kernel: [] load_elf_binary [kernel] 0x33a (0xcc419cb4) Oct 23 20:33:46 localhost kernel: [] ext3_do_update_inode [ext3] 0x16f (0xcc419cd4) Oct 23 20:33:46 localhost kernel: [] journal_stop_R6e3983c4 [jbd] 0x181 (0xcc419d48) Oct 23 20:33:47 localhost kernel: [] update_atime [kernel] 0x6b (0xcc419da4) Oct 23 20:33:47 localhost kernel: [] ll_copy_from_user [kernel] 0x41 (0xcc419de4) Oct 23 20:33:47 localhost kernel: [] load_elf_binary [kernel] 0x0 (0xcc419df0) Oct 23 20:33:47 localhost kernel: [] search_binary_handler [kernel] 0xee (0xcc419dfc) Oct 23 20:33:47 localhost kernel: [] copy_strings [kernel] 0x1ad (0xcc419e08) Oct 23 20:33:47 localhost kernel: [] do_execve [kernel] 0x180 (0xcc419e44) Oct 23 20:33:47 localhost kernel: [] sys_execve [kernel] 0x50 (0xcc419fa4) Oct 23 20:33:47 localhost kernel: [] system_call [kernel] 0x33 (0xcc419fc0) Oct 23 20:33:47 localhost kernel: Oct 23 20:33:47 localhost kernel: Oct 23 20:33:47 localhost kernel: Code: 0f 0b 80 05 cf 32 28 c0 c7 44 24 08 00 03 00 00 c7 44 24 04 From lorenzo at prince.homelinux.org Fri Oct 24 13:20:46 2003 From: lorenzo at prince.homelinux.org (Lorenzo Prince) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 09:20:46 -0400 Subject: Speakup in kernel In-Reply-To: References: <20031020155537.GI7677@rednote.net> <200310202018.h9KKIwA11721@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <20031020221535.GO15678@rednote.net> <20031021103637.A32367@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <20031021153719.GK9683@rednote.net> <20031021133901.A6152@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <20031021193429.GK14973@rednote.net> Message-ID: <20031024132046.GA5939@prince.homelinux.org> Hi all. I understand that Speakup currently has some technical issues that are keeping it out of the Fedora distribution. However, there is, in my opinion, a more viable alternative called YASR. It doesn't run in the kernel, and runs as a stand-alone program that can be started ONLY if a person needs it. Is it possible that this package could be tested for inclusion, possibly configured with an interface to Festival? I think this would solve the problems some people are having about console screen readers, although I'm not sure if anyone is currently maintaining an RPM for this software. A quick check got me only the source tarball. It would, however, be easy enough to build the RPM package, and probably easier than building one for Speakup. Prince From johnsonm at redhat.com Fri Oct 24 13:21:31 2003 From: johnsonm at redhat.com (Michael K. Johnson) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 09:21:31 -0400 Subject: Kernel build question In-Reply-To: <20031023170359.0bf148d1.jwendel@fnmoc.navy.mil>; from jwendel@fnmoc.navy.mil on Thu, Oct 23, 2003 at 05:03:59PM -0700 References: <20031023170359.0bf148d1.jwendel@fnmoc.navy.mil> Message-ID: <20031024092131.B13203@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Thu, Oct 23, 2003 at 05:03:59PM -0700, John Wendel wrote: > Could someone explain the reason for storing the uncompressed > kernel (vmlinux) in the lib/modules/ directory? > > What uses this kernel? One can use it for debugging symbols. It's in /lib/modules/`uname -r` in order to keep /boot usage down; you'll see a symlink in /boot to it. If you read kernel-2.4.spec, you'll see that we pull debuginfo information thence: # now separate out the debug info from the modules/vmlinux /usr/lib/rpm/find-debuginfo.sh %{_builddir}/%{?buildsubdir} || : If you look at the size of the kernel-debuginfo packages, you'll be glad we pull it out. :-) > I noticed that my custom kernel, installed by "make install" > didn't put a copy of vmlinux in the modules directory. Should I > do it? No need for you to do that. michaelkjohnson "He that composes himself is wiser than he that composes a book." Linux Application Development -- Ben Franklin http://people.redhat.com/johnsonm/lad/ From david.balazic at uni-mb.si Fri Oct 24 13:22:13 2003 From: david.balazic at uni-mb.si (DAVID BALAZIC) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 15:22:13 +0200 Subject: GUI boot comments Message-ID: <01L27MO7SNQA0032CL@rcum.uni-mb.si> I saw the new GUI boot procedure for the firs time, and here are some comments : - it appears way too late, IMO. There are multiple screens of kernel messages, initrd , rc.sysinit and other text messages printed, before the GUI appears. It looks like a half done job. - OK that was the only comment :-) Regards, David Balazic From david.balazic at uni-mb.si Fri Oct 24 13:34:50 2003 From: david.balazic at uni-mb.si (DAVID BALAZIC) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 15:34:50 +0200 Subject: GUI boot comments Message-ID: <01L27N4PL4G20032CL@rcum.uni-mb.si> DAVID BALAZIC wrote : >I saw the new GUI boot procedure for the firs time, and here are some comments : > >- it appears way too late, IMO. There are multiple screens of kernel messages, >initrd , rc.sysinit and other text messages printed, before the GUI appears. >It looks like a half done job. > > - OK that was the only comment :-) I forgot this : during boot the mouse pointer is sandwatch shaped , even if one can click on the "Show details" button. The sandwatch shape suggests that no clicking is currently accepted. I filed this as bug 107920. -- David Balazic E-mail : david.balazic at uni-mb.si | living in sLOVEnija home page: http://surf.to/stein -- From pboy at barkhof.uni-bremen.de Fri Oct 24 13:41:00 2003 From: pboy at barkhof.uni-bremen.de (Peter Boy) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 15:41:00 +0200 Subject: up2date crashes und some circumstances In-Reply-To: References: <1066985039.5287.29.camel@ibmLaptop.athome.de> <200310240958.30991.fedora@warmcat.com> <1066995106.5287.63.camel@ibmLaptop.athome.de> Message-ID: <1067002860.5287.90.camel@ibmLaptop.athome.de> Am Fr, den 24.10.2003 schrieb Alexandre Oliva um 14:58: > seem to have. Please Cc: me when you open your bugzilla, or post the > bug number here. Thanks, Bug 107921 has been added to the database From jspaleta at princeton.edu Fri Oct 24 13:48:44 2003 From: jspaleta at princeton.edu (Jef Spaleta) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 09:48:44 -0400 Subject: Beep on X11 login screen Message-ID: <1067003324.11082.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> seth vidal wrote: > to my knowledge, no, it cannot be disabled. And why does it matter? > It's a single beep. Why does it matter? WHY DOES IT MATTER!?!? I'll tell you why it matters!!!!!! I NEED my gdm login screen to use the same ringtone as my cellphone. Don't even try to argue about it...i NEED it. This one beep crap is frankly well below par in my opinion. Yes, yes, it surely does meet a compelling accessibility need for disabled users (yawn). But what about me huh? Why can't gdm go that 0.2 steps further and play "hungry like the wolf" in polyphonic ringtone glory. Yeesh! I'm seriously looking at using xdm now. -jef"holding off to file a feature request till after fc ships, closing bugs should be the near term goal for most people now"spaleta -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From johnsonm at redhat.com Fri Oct 24 13:49:40 2003 From: johnsonm at redhat.com (Michael K. Johnson) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 09:49:40 -0400 Subject: Beep on X11 login screen In-Reply-To: <1066999210.7222.57.camel@binkley>; from skvidal@phy.duke.edu on Fri, Oct 24, 2003 at 08:40:11AM -0400 References: <01L27L6IDC2M0032CL@rcum.uni-mb.si> <1066999210.7222.57.camel@binkley> Message-ID: <20031024094940.C13203@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Fri, Oct 24, 2003 at 08:40:11AM -0400, seth vidal wrote: > to my knowledge, no, it cannot be disabled. And why does it matter? It's > a single beep. Because, say, you are booting in a meeting and beeping is distracting. Because you are watching a sleeping baby, and everyone knows you do NOT WAKE A SLEEPING BABY. Because... I would suggest that the reasons are endless. It so obviously should be configurable; it seems to me just as obvious as that the default should be beeping to help enable initial blind/vision-limited installs... michaelkjohnson "He that composes himself is wiser than he that composes a book." Linux Application Development -- Ben Franklin http://people.redhat.com/johnsonm/lad/ From dstewart at atl.lmco.com Fri Oct 24 13:55:20 2003 From: dstewart at atl.lmco.com (Douglas Stewart) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 09:55:20 -0400 Subject: Beep on X11 login screen In-Reply-To: <1066999210.7222.57.camel@binkley> References: <01L27L6IDC2M0032CL@rcum.uni-mb.si> <1066999210.7222.57.camel@binkley> Message-ID: <3F992F48.5050403@atl.lmco.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 seth vidal wrote: |>Can it be turned off ? |>I guess it can, but I am not at my fedora system right now, so I can't check... | | | to my knowledge, no, it cannot be disabled. And why does it matter? It's | a single beep. | | -sv | | | | -- | fedora-test-list mailing list | fedora-test-list at redhat.com | http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list I, too, am bothered by the beep. I'd love it if I could disable it. - -- - ---------- Doug Stewart Systems Administrator/Web Applications Developer Lockheed Martin Advanced Technology Labs Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/mS9IN50Q8DVvcvkRAmosAJ4iy//YvwMhjahi0qwURzHFc03mYwCeNsi3 p6/PkPnhEDD4Ku+Mj77owc0= =uYu5 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From mharris at redhat.com Fri Oct 24 14:11:14 2003 From: mharris at redhat.com (Mike A. Harris) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 10:11:14 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Open GL screensaver crashes X In-Reply-To: <1066998509.5287.71.camel@ibmLaptop.athome.de> References: <1066989605.27981.14.camel@lappen> <1066986461.7751.7.camel@pc-32.office.scali.no> <1066988038.5593.5.camel@lappen> <1066998509.5287.71.camel@ibmLaptop.athome.de> Message-ID: On Fri, 24 Oct 2003, Peter Boy wrote: >> Xinerama + DRI isn't implemented. You can either use Xinerama or >> use DRI. Trying to use both at once wont work, not for another >> couple XFree86 releases at least. > >Wondering about that. In FCt2 I had xinerama display and DRI driver >loaded. Or did I miss something? You missed something. Look at your X server log file, and scan for the text "DRI disabled" -- Mike A. Harris ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris OS Systems Engineer - XFree86 maintainer - Red Hat From garrett at redhat.com Fri Oct 24 14:11:36 2003 From: garrett at redhat.com (Garrett LeSage) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 10:11:36 -0400 Subject: Two tiny bugs (Anaconda/install, KDE) In-Reply-To: <3F990CA6.7020103@wanadoo.es> References: <1066989870.27981.19.camel@lappen> <3F990CA6.7020103@wanadoo.es> Message-ID: <3F993318.6000607@redhat.com> Xose Vazquez Perez wrote: >Johnny Ljunggren wrote: > > > >>Install: >>When choosing Norwegian as the install language, the next page selecting >>the keyboard has not automatically selected the corresponding keyboard. >>In fact, no keyboard at all is selected. >> >> > >the same here with rh9: http://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=89746 > > Oops. I hope I didn't break it in the latest change I made in redhat-artwork yesterday too. (: Garrett From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Fri Oct 24 14:16:01 2003 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: 24 Oct 2003 10:16:01 -0400 Subject: Beep on X11 login screen In-Reply-To: <3F992F48.5050403@atl.lmco.com> References: <01L27L6IDC2M0032CL@rcum.uni-mb.si> <1066999210.7222.57.camel@binkley> <3F992F48.5050403@atl.lmco.com> Message-ID: <1067004960.1455.24.camel@opus> On Fri, 2003-10-24 at 09:55, Douglas Stewart wrote: > I, too, am bothered by the beep. I'd love it if I could disable it. > inside your computer, there is a tiny little jumper. it will have two wires hooked to it, they should go to a tiny and tinny speaker. Remove the connection. ta-da, done, disabled beep in gdm. -sv From david.balazic at uni-mb.si Fri Oct 24 14:15:28 2003 From: david.balazic at uni-mb.si (DAVID BALAZIC) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 16:15:28 +0200 Subject: Slovene language Message-ID: <01L27OKCL3PE0033MM@rcum.uni-mb.si> I noticed that Slovene is again selectable as an install language, after it was removed in some previous releases ( RHL 9 , maybe sooner, maybe later ). Does that mean that it is supported and I can report all the related bugs, like missing/bad translations ? Regards, David Balazic From otaylor at redhat.com Fri Oct 24 14:20:32 2003 From: otaylor at redhat.com (Owen Taylor) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 10:20:32 -0400 Subject: Windows dragged by ghost hand :-) In-Reply-To: <01L27MFLUWYU0032CL@rcum.uni-mb.si> References: <01L27MFLUWYU0032CL@rcum.uni-mb.si> Message-ID: <1067005231.7503.19.camel@poincare.devel.redhat.com> On Fri, 2003-10-24 at 09:14, DAVID BALAZIC wrote: > (Sorry for the previous empty mail) > > fedora test3 / GNOME : > > Several times in GNOME I noticed , that the mouse is dragging a window, > without me clicking any mouse button. The mouse pointer is on the title > bar of the window that moves, it has a small + sign next to it, but no mouse > button is pressed. As I move the mouse, the window follows. Weird ... > If I click the left mouse button, the window is released and everything is > normal again. > > Maybe I accidentally pressed some keyboard shortcut for dragging windows ? Known bug - 107149 I think there is some sort of race condition in the metacity code where it can miss a button release. Regards, Owen From dstewart at atl.lmco.com Fri Oct 24 14:22:11 2003 From: dstewart at atl.lmco.com (Douglas Stewart) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 10:22:11 -0400 Subject: Beep on X11 login screen In-Reply-To: <1067004960.1455.24.camel@opus> References: <01L27L6IDC2M0032CL@rcum.uni-mb.si> <1066999210.7222.57.camel@binkley> <3F992F48.5050403@atl.lmco.com> <1067004960.1455.24.camel@opus> Message-ID: <3F993593.7030108@atl.lmco.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 seth vidal wrote: | On Fri, 2003-10-24 at 09:55, Douglas Stewart wrote: | | |>I, too, am bothered by the beep. I'd love it if I could disable it. |> | | | inside your computer, there is a tiny little jumper. it will have two | wires hooked to it, they should go to a tiny and tinny speaker. | | Remove the connection. | | ta-da, done, disabled beep in gdm. | | | -sv | Haw. Very funny. I'd like to disable the beep FOR GDM ONLY, not the whole machine, smart aleck. *grin* - -- - ---------- Doug Stewart Systems Administrator/Web Applications Developer Lockheed Martin Advanced Technology Labs Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/mTWTN50Q8DVvcvkRApeFAJsHBXvK4YC8r64cyueZ9SVqs4TzGwCfQej7 nY9YYxrXTdAFmcJsZYVu+9c= =sAPA -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From otaylor at redhat.com Fri Oct 24 14:25:04 2003 From: otaylor at redhat.com (Owen Taylor) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 10:25:04 -0400 Subject: Open GL screensaver crashes X In-Reply-To: References: <1066989605.27981.14.camel@lappen> <1066986461.7751.7.camel@pc-32.office.scali.no> <1066988038.5593.5.camel@lappen> Message-ID: <1067005504.7503.28.camel@poincare.devel.redhat.com> On Fri, 2003-10-24 at 08:18, Mike A. Harris wrote: > On Fri, 24 Oct 2003, Johnny Ljunggren wrote: > > >> > I'm using a Matrox G450 on a freshly installed FCt3-system with no > >> > updates (yet). Whenever the screensaver kicks in, and an Open GL-saver > >> > is the next in line, X crashes. > > > >> Do OpenGL programs crash under normal use? Does it happen if you run the > >> screensavers from the commandline? > > > >They don't crash under normal use. Both glxgears (program) and > >glforestfire (screensaver) works ok from the commandline. Maybe the > >problem is related to me running dual head, and the matrox card is > >unable to hardware accelerate screen 2? If I start glforestfire and drag > >the window to screen two, the window is rendered all black, but it > >doesn't crash though. > > Xinerama + DRI isn't implemented. You can either use Xinerama or > use DRI. Trying to use both at once wont work, not for another > couple XFree86 releases at least. > > I'm told the Matrox driver has a MergedFB option which may or may > not work by skipping xinerama and doing merged framebuffer in the > video driver itself, however I've never tried it, and I dunno if > it's in 4.3.0 or just in CVS head. I haven't looked at the mga > source for quite some time, so buyer beware. ;o) But it certainly shouldn't crash the server even if it doesn't work. The interesting questions are: a) is it all OpenGL screensavers or just some of them b) does running OpenGL screensavers manually crash the server (E.g, run /usr/X11R6/lib/xscreensaver/sproingies) c) any log messages for XFree86 when it crashes? (Look in /var/log/XFree86.0.log) Regards, Owen From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Fri Oct 24 14:28:07 2003 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: 24 Oct 2003 10:28:07 -0400 Subject: Beep on X11 login screen In-Reply-To: <3F993593.7030108@atl.lmco.com> References: <01L27L6IDC2M0032CL@rcum.uni-mb.si> <1066999210.7222.57.camel@binkley> <3F992F48.5050403@atl.lmco.com> <1067004960.1455.24.camel@opus> <3F993593.7030108@atl.lmco.com> Message-ID: <1067005687.1455.33.camel@opus> > Haw. Very funny. > > I'd like to disable the beep FOR GDM ONLY, not the whole machine, smart > aleck. *grin* Ah that takes more finesse, then. You have to unplug your speaker as gdm is loading, and plug it back in once it is finished loading. then it's just disabled for gdm. :) -sv From mharris at redhat.com Fri Oct 24 14:33:07 2003 From: mharris at redhat.com (Mike A. Harris) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 10:33:07 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Open GL screensaver crashes X In-Reply-To: <1067005504.7503.28.camel@poincare.devel.redhat.com> References: <1066989605.27981.14.camel@lappen> <1066986461.7751.7.camel@pc-32.office.scali.no> <1066988038.5593.5.camel@lappen> <1067005504.7503.28.camel@poincare.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 24 Oct 2003, Owen Taylor wrote: >> Xinerama + DRI isn't implemented. You can either use Xinerama or >> use DRI. Trying to use both at once wont work, not for another >> couple XFree86 releases at least. >> >> I'm told the Matrox driver has a MergedFB option which may or may >> not work by skipping xinerama and doing merged framebuffer in the >> video driver itself, however I've never tried it, and I dunno if >> it's in 4.3.0 or just in CVS head. I haven't looked at the mga >> source for quite some time, so buyer beware. ;o) > >But it certainly shouldn't crash the server even if it doesn't work. Of course. ;o) >The interesting questions are: > > a) is it all OpenGL screensavers or just some of them > b) does running OpenGL screensavers manually crash the server > (E.g, run /usr/X11R6/lib/xscreensaver/sproingies) > c) any log messages for XFree86 when it crashes? (Look in > /var/log/XFree86.0.log) Here's a few more... d) Does it do it both with and without DRI enabled in the config file (the Load "dri" line) e) Are you using our official mga driver, or are you using the Matrox binary driver and hallib f) Are you running any 3rd party kernel modules at all, or using VMware or other software which is sometimes known to cause system instabilities g) Are there any DRM or AGP errors in /var/log/messages -- Mike A. Harris ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris OS Systems Engineer - XFree86 maintainer - Red Hat From lorenzo at prince.homelinux.org Fri Oct 24 14:38:31 2003 From: lorenzo at prince.homelinux.org (Lorenzo Prince) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 10:38:31 -0400 Subject: PROFTPD In-Reply-To: <20031022160308.GA6573@ee.oulu.fi> References: <20031021051124.GB18150@prince.homelinux.org> <20031021133752.B4312@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <3F96570C.2040200@vlugnet.org> <20031022112929.A27953@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <20031022160308.GA6573@ee.oulu.fi> Message-ID: <20031024143831.GB5939@prince.homelinux.org> Pekka Pietikainen staggered into view and mumbled: > Only useful (to me) thing vsftpd doesn't do is SSL/TLS, and I can live > without that, since it's such a beautifully engineered piece of software :-) Only thing I didn't like about VSFTPD, and actually the only reason I even suggested something like PROFTPD is the concept of file ownership and permissions. In PROFTPD, I can have everything on my server owned by ONE normal user (non-root) and in the group ftp and set the file permissions to 640 and directory permissions to 750 and it works great. When I tried this with VSFTPD, people could log onto the server as ftp but couldn't see any of the files. Actually, if there is a way to fix this in VSFTPD, I would use it. So actually, I guess this is a request for help with VSFTPD. ;_) PRINCE From ryanpg at yahoo.com Fri Oct 24 14:32:32 2003 From: ryanpg at yahoo.com (Ryan G.) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 07:32:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: gnome-panel (does havoc read this list? ;-) In-Reply-To: <20031024080039.11755.53008.Mailman@listman.back-rdu.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20031024143232.11185.qmail@web10010.mail.yahoo.com> >Message: 17 >Subject: Re: gnome-panel (does havoc read this list? ;-) >From: Alexander Larsson >To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com >Date: 24 Oct 2003 09:58:59 +0200 >Reply-To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com> > >On Fri, 2003-10-24 at 02:47, Ryan G. wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> Wonder if the gnome-panel is going to get any needed attention >soon... >> I'm configured to have things looking like osx's dock, i.e. autohide, >> no expand, menus and launchers added. Now here's what I'm seeing, >how >> bout everyone else? > >Did you report any of these problems to the upstream (gnome) bugzilla? >Thats the main place gnome bug reports should go, unless its clearly a >redhat packaging/artwork bug, or a major showstopper that we have to be >aware of. We can't fix all bugs in all parts of gnome ourselves. Alex, thanks for your response. I'm not asking anyone to fix anything (yet). I'm trying to determine if this is a gnome thing or a fedora thing or a ME thing. I'm asking for feedback from fedora users. Since no one else has responded affirming or denying these problems, I'm guessing this is MY problem not redhat OR gnome's. If however these issues are present for all users, I'd think they would be considered major show stoppers. Just loosing the ability to use drawers effectively in the panel is a pretty big deal. -ry ===== --r-- From kai.thomsen at gmx.de Fri Oct 24 14:43:50 2003 From: kai.thomsen at gmx.de (Kai Thomsen) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 16:43:50 +0200 Subject: Very strange Desktop Behaviour after Rawhide Update In-Reply-To: <1067000426.5287.88.camel@ibmLaptop.athome.de> References: <1067000426.5287.88.camel@ibmLaptop.athome.de> Message-ID: <20031024164350.1f1fb09f.kai.thomsen@gmx.de> On Fri, 24 Oct 2003 15:00:26 +0200, Peter Boy wrote: > 2. > If I doubleclick on the "Start Here" or any other icon on the desktop > all icons vanish and nothing happens. The right mouse button doesn't > work (over the desktop), but I can move the mouse and start programs > from the panel and use the right mouse button over the panel. If you use GNOME, it could be Nautilus crashing. It currently does this for me, anyway, and I get a GNOME error dialog box which, when closed, leads into a nasty "crash loop" (due to Nautilus respawning). > 3. > Graphical boot is gone. You need the boot parameter "rhgb" in your grub.conf. --Kai From dawson at fnal.gov Fri Oct 24 15:03:23 2003 From: dawson at fnal.gov (Troy Dawson) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 10:03:23 -0500 Subject: grubby (not grub) question Message-ID: <3F993F3B.8050402@fnal.gov> Howdy, I'm having a hard time finding the right maillist and/or web pages for grubby (not grub). Can anyone point me to the right place? Just incase this is the right place, or someone knows the answer, I'll ask it. When using grubby to add arguments to the kernel, for either lilo or grub, I am only able to add one instance of an item. My specific problem is that for a serial console, if you want to have the output go through both the video and serial console, you need to add console=tty0 console=ttyS0,9600n8 (ok, so you need to modify the serial part for your specific instance but that's not the question) grubby will only allow one instance of console= so I'm having some trouble using grubby to do this. Thanks Troy -- __________________________________________________ Troy Dawson dawson at fnal.gov (630)840-6468 Fermilab ComputingDivision/CSS CSI Group __________________________________________________ From thompsma at colorado.edu Fri Oct 24 15:06:08 2003 From: thompsma at colorado.edu (The Matt) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 09:06:08 -0600 Subject: RHN Demo Accts. and Fedora Message-ID: <1067007968.26988.2.camel@ixion.colorado.edu> I'm sure this has been answered but I've never seen it in my time. I just got my RHN Demo Survey and I was wondering, if my boxes are now all Fedora...do I need this anymore? Will Fedora's rawhide access ever depend on RHN or is it separate now? Plainly, I am wondering if I need to do the survey or not. Thanks, Matt -- I am a theoretical chemist. Fear me! Please. Matt Thompson -- http://ucsub.colorado.edu/~thompsma/ 440 UCB, Boulder, CO 80309-0440 JILA A510, 303-492-4662 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From otaylor at redhat.com Fri Oct 24 15:12:56 2003 From: otaylor at redhat.com (Owen Taylor) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 11:12:56 -0400 Subject: gnome-panel (does havoc read this list? ;-) In-Reply-To: <20031024143232.11185.qmail@web10010.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20031024143232.11185.qmail@web10010.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1067008375.7503.109.camel@poincare.devel.redhat.com> On Fri, 2003-10-24 at 10:32, Ryan G. wrote: > >On Fri, 2003-10-24 at 02:47, Ryan G. wrote: > >> Hi all, > >> > >> Wonder if the gnome-panel is going to get any needed attention > >soon... > >> I'm configured to have things looking like osx's dock, i.e. > autohide, > >> no expand, menus and launchers added. Now here's what I'm seeing, > >how > >> bout everyone else? > > > >Did you report any of these problems to the upstream (gnome) bugzilla? > >Thats the main place gnome bug reports should go, unless its clearly a > >redhat packaging/artwork bug, or a major showstopper that we have to > be > >aware of. We can't fix all bugs in all parts of gnome ourselves. > > Alex, thanks for your response. I'm not asking anyone to fix anything > (yet). I'm trying to determine if this is a gnome thing or a fedora > thing or a ME thing. I'm asking for feedback from fedora users. Since > no one else has responded affirming or denying these problems, I'm > guessing this is MY problem not redhat OR gnome's. Most likely, it means that virtually nobody uses drawers. It really shouldn't be possible to have a "MY" problem unless: A) You have installed your own GNOME packages, hand upgraded, etc. B) You tweaked your config files by hand C) You have memory or disk corruption The good way to test this is to create a test user, log into that, and try to recreate the problem there. > If however these issues are present for all users, I'd think they would > be considered major show stoppers. Just loosing the ability to use > drawers effectively in the panel is a pretty big deal. The vast majority of people don't change from the default config at all, in my experience. The fraction using drawers is going to be tiny. Basically unless adding a drawer immediately crashed the panel it is unlikely to be something we are going to consider a show-stopper. Now of course, since Fedora is an open-development model, if you consider these bugs to be major bugs, the great thing for you to do would be to investigate, fix, file bug reports on gnome.org with the patch, and then file a second bug report on bugzilla.redhat.com pointing to that bug report. This is essentially what we'd do when fixing a bug ... patches in our packages have to be either in upstream CVS or at least attached to an upstream CVS bugreport. (Not saying that you shouldn't file the bug report upstream if you aren't yet experienced enough to fix it, just that if it's fixed upstream, it's much more likely that we'll put the fix into fedora.) Regards, Owen From itsme_410 at yahoo.com Fri Oct 24 15:15:08 2003 From: itsme_410 at yahoo.com (Globe Trotter) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 08:15:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: how to use lilo? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20031024151508.56759.qmail@web40311.mail.yahoo.com> --- "ne..." wrote: > On Oct 23, 2003 at 18:21, Globe Trotter in a soothing rage wrote: > > >can someone shed light on how to use lilo with fedora (if the real thing > will > >not have it as an option)? i have the rpms but how do i force it to use lilo > >instead of blinking at the GRUB command? > Wellm you have to install the lilo rpm and then configure > an /etc/lilo.conf file. Next /sbin/lilo -v and make sure > there are no error messages. Reboot to test. > > N.Emile... > -- Thanks a bundle! However, I am still in a soothing rage:-) When I try /sbin/lilo -v I get the following: LILO version 22.5, Copyright (C) 1992-1998 Werner Almesberger Development beyond version 21 Copyright (C) 1999-2003 John Coffman Released 04-Mar-2003 and compiled at 13:47:31 on Apr 10 2003. Warning: LINEAR is deprecated in favor of LBA32: LINEAR specifies 24-bit disk addresses below the 1024 cylinder limit; LBA32 specifies 32-bit disk addresses not subject to cylinder limits on systems with EDD bios extensions; use LINEAR only if you are aware of its limitations. Reading boot sector from /dev/hde Warning: device 0x2105 exceeds 1024 cylinder limit. Use of the 'lba32' option may help on newer (EDD BIOS) systems. Warning: LINEAR may generate cylinder# above 1023 at boot-time. Fatal: Sector address 22160267 too large for LINEAR (try LBA32 instead). So not good: I look up man pages and try the following: /sbin/lilo -v -L LILO version 22.5, Copyright (C) 1992-1998 Werner Almesberger Development beyond version 21 Copyright (C) 1999-2003 John Coffman Released 04-Mar-2003 and compiled at 13:47:31 on Apr 10 2003. Ignoring entry 'linear' Reading boot sector from /dev/hde Warning: Unable to determine video adapter in use in the present system. Using MENU secondary loader Calling map_insert_data Mapping message file /boot/message Calling map_insert_file Boot image: /boot/vmlinuz-2.4.20-8smp Mapping RAM disk /boot/initrd-2.4.20-8smp.img Added linux * Boot image: /boot/vmlinuz-2.4.20-8 Mapping RAM disk /boot/initrd-2.4.20-8.img Added linux-up Writing boot sector. Backup copy of boot sector in /boot/boot.2100 Should I more soothed now? Thanks!! > Registered Linux User # 125653 (http://counter.li.org) > Switch to: http://www.speakeasy.net/refer/190653 > An apple a day makes 365 apples a year. > 08:32:45 up 60 days, 20:07, 5 users, load average: 0.02, 0.01, 0.00 > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dstewart at atl.lmco.com Fri Oct 24 15:18:46 2003 From: dstewart at atl.lmco.com (Douglas Stewart) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 11:18:46 -0400 Subject: Nautilus won't start Message-ID: <3F9942D6.1050909@atl.lmco.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Post installation of the latest Rawhide packages, nautilus fails to start, with the following message being printed: "nautilus: relocation error: /usr/lib/librsvg-2.so.2: undefined symbol: cr_doc_handler_new" I know there was a to-do with yesterday's librsvg update. Could this be caused by that, and, if so, what's the solution? I'll gladly bugzilla it. - -- - ---------- Doug Stewart Systems Administrator/Web Applications Developer Lockheed Martin Advanced Technology Labs Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/mULWN50Q8DVvcvkRAsh7AJ0Y/LO8r6CQYE7PaekFK2gPhNNZOgCfbm0h 6SKNdpx/DglKhx+RiDzx7N8= =EWj6 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From kai.thomsen at gmx.de Fri Oct 24 15:19:23 2003 From: kai.thomsen at gmx.de (Kai Thomsen) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 17:19:23 +0200 Subject: Q on rhn_register / up2date channel settings In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20031024171923.5566a32c.kai.thomsen@gmx.de> On Wed, 22 Oct 2003 11:54:29 -0400, Vanco, Don wrote: > Been there, done that - "yum " continues to look at > http://mirror.dulug.duke.edu/pub/yum-repository/redhat/Null/blahbedy-blah > regardless of what I put into either yum.conf or sources (and use of > -c options) which is confusing the hell out of me Replace "distroverpkg=redhat-release" by "distroverpkg=fedora-release" in /etc/yum.conf. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=106460 --Kai From itsme_410 at yahoo.com Fri Oct 24 15:22:29 2003 From: itsme_410 at yahoo.com (Globe Trotter) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 08:22:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: problems using grub In-Reply-To: <1066997906.3383.14.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20031024152229.1688.qmail@web40305.mail.yahoo.com> I am so sorry! You are absolutely right: I mis-typed -- it is (hd0,4) not (hd0,6) in the grub.conf file. However, it does not work. Thanks and best wishes! --- "Paul W. Frields" wrote: > On Thu, 2003-10-23 at 21:28, Globe Trotter wrote: > > df -h gives the following: > > > > Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on > > /dev/hde5 2.9G 2.3G 547M 81% / > > /dev/hde1 2.0G 33M 1.9G 2% /new > > none 251M 0 251M 0% /dev/shm > > /dev/hde6 40G 1.8G 36G 5% /usr/local > > > > > > timeout=10 > > splashimage=(hd0,6)/boot/grub/splash.xpm.gz > > title Fedora Core (2.4.22-1.2088.nptlsmp) > > root (hd0,6) > > kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.4.22-1.2088.nptlsmp ro root=/dev/hdg1 > > initrd /boot/initrd-2.4.22-1.2088.nptlsmp.img > > > > title Fedora Core (2.4.22-1.2088.nptlsmp) > > root (hd0,6) > > kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.4.22-1.2088.nptl ro root=/dev/hdg1 > > initrd /boot/initrd-2.4.22-1.2088.nptl.img > > Shouldn't the "root" declaration here be "root (hd0,4)" since your /boot > area is likely on /dev/hde5? Both disks and partitions are numbered from > zero. > -- > Paul W. Frields > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From jaap_haitsma at zonnet.nl Fri Oct 24 15:29:06 2003 From: jaap_haitsma at zonnet.nl (Jaap A. Haitsma) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 17:29:06 +0200 Subject: gnome-panel weird behavior In-Reply-To: <01L27M92KSMY0032CL@rcum.uni-mb.si> References: <01L27M92KSMY0032CL@rcum.uni-mb.si> Message-ID: <3F994542.8050100@zonnet.nl> DAVID BALAZIC wrote: > First , I am not fluent in GNOME terminology ... > I a fresh fedota t3 system , on the GNOME desktop : > > right click an entry in start menu ( I used "System Tools / Terminal" ) and > select "Add this launcher to panel" in the popup menu. In my case the launcher > appeared between the "windows-buttons"(*) area and the "Volume Control" icon, > the windows-buttons area was squashed to a size of the other icons on the status > bar ( right of the virtual desktop selektor/monitor ), right to it was the newly added > terminal launcher, then a large empty space and finally the volume > control on its old place. > > This is not exactly how I would expect it to work. I had to rearrange the items > manually to a useful configuration. > > > Regards, > David Balazic > > * - usually the larges part of the "task bar", where button appear for each > displayed window ... David, This seems a GNOME "bug". I guess if you want people to have a look at this issue, you should enter a request for enhancement (RFE) at http://bugzilla.gnome.org Jaap From operalover_99 at yahoo.com Fri Oct 24 15:31:04 2003 From: operalover_99 at yahoo.com (Michael Smith) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 08:31:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: NIH ImageJ fails under FC In-Reply-To: <1066934763.7290.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20031024153104.12049.qmail@web11005.mail.yahoo.com> --- "Paul W. Frields" wrote: > On Thu, 2003-10-23 at 14:22, Michael Smith wrote: > > NIH ImageJ (a scientific image analysis program) > fails > > to run under Fedora Core 0.95 with the following > > error: > > > > error while loading shared libraries: > > libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so.2: cannot open shared > object > > file: No such file or directory > > I think this will cease to be a problem if you > install the > compat-libstdc++ RPM. > > -- > Paul W. Frields > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list Paul, Thanks for the reply. Unfortunately, this only gets me to the next dependency failure! I have written to the people at NIH. Thanks again, Mike Smith __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From bfox at redhat.com Fri Oct 24 15:41:27 2003 From: bfox at redhat.com (Brent Fox) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 11:41:27 -0400 Subject: Weird root password caching in GNOME In-Reply-To: <01L27KLFOW6Q0032CL@rcum.uni-mb.si> References: <01L27KLFOW6Q0032CL@rcum.uni-mb.si> Message-ID: <1067010086.8157.0.camel@bfox.devel.redhat.com> On Fri, 2003-10-24 at 08:21, DAVID BALAZIC wrote: > On a Fedora test3 system I logged into X as a regular user. > Started "System Settings / Date & Time" from the menu and was asked for the root > password. I entered it and the data/time dialog appeared. I closed it. The status bar > had the keys icon on it , indicating that the root password was "cached". Then I started > /usr/bin/redhat-config-date from a terminal window and was asked again for the root > password ( in a dialog ). Why ? > > I entered it again, the date/time dialog appeared, I closed it, started again > /usr/bin/redhat-config-date and now it did not ask for password. > > Same problem also with redhat-config-xfree86 , when run from menu, it asks for root > password, then if run from terminal it asks again, then when run again from > terminal , it does not ask. > > As if there were a separate "cache" for start menu and terminals. Each terminal that is. > Is that by design ? > Or a bug ? > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=107404 Cheers, Brent From fedora at warmcat.com Fri Oct 24 15:44:23 2003 From: fedora at warmcat.com (Andy Green) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 16:44:23 +0100 Subject: Beep on X11 login screen In-Reply-To: <20031024094940.C13203@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <01L27L6IDC2M0032CL@rcum.uni-mb.si> <1066999210.7222.57.camel@binkley> <20031024094940.C13203@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <200310241644.23936.fedora@warmcat.com> On Friday 24 October 2003 14:49, Michael K. Johnson wrote: > reasons are endless. It so obviously should be configurable; it seems > to me just as obvious as that the default should be beeping to help > enable initial blind/vision-limited installs... Why not turn this into a PR pluspoint by, for at least the first boot, making a little note on the login display explaining why the beep is there (karma++) and how to turn it off if you are not visually challenged, for extra points a checkbox right there and then. -Andy From bfox at redhat.com Fri Oct 24 15:47:15 2003 From: bfox at redhat.com (Brent Fox) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 11:47:15 -0400 Subject: Beep on X11 login screen In-Reply-To: <1067005687.1455.33.camel@opus> References: <01L27L6IDC2M0032CL@rcum.uni-mb.si> <1066999210.7222.57.camel@binkley> <3F992F48.5050403@atl.lmco.com> <1067004960.1455.24.camel@opus> <3F993593.7030108@atl.lmco.com> <1067005687.1455.33.camel@opus> Message-ID: <1067010435.8157.6.camel@bfox.devel.redhat.com> On Fri, 2003-10-24 at 10:28, seth vidal wrote: > > Haw. Very funny. > > > > I'd like to disable the beep FOR GDM ONLY, not the whole machine, smart > > aleck. *grin* > > Ah that takes more finesse, then. You have to unplug your speaker as gdm > is loading, and plug it back in once it is finished loading. Of course, this approach won't work for a laptop with built-in speakers. :) My Compaq Presario 1700T has an abnormally loud system beep which the bios does not allow to be disabled. Cheers, Brent From toni at maxlove.com.br Fri Oct 24 15:58:13 2003 From: toni at maxlove.com.br (Toni Guedes) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 13:58:13 -0200 Subject: DRI with radeon 7200 & via kt600 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <00a401c39a47$a24285d0$fc01a8c0@cpdtoni> > -----Original Message----- > From: fedora-test-list-admin at redhat.com > [mailto:fedora-test-list-admin at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Mike A. Harris > Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 10:25 AM > To: Fedora-Test > Subject: Re: DRI with radeon 7200 & via kt600 > > > On Fri, 24 Oct 2003, Toni Guedes wrote: > > >When will 3D aceleration works with my ATI radeon 7200/MSI KT6 > >Delta-FISR (via kt600) board? > > Since I have absolutely no idea whatsoever what your problem is, > all I can say is that that video card has proper working 3D > acceleration support, and that it works for me on multiple > systems here. > > If your card is a PCI card, then 3D acceleration is not supported > officially but you can try using Option "ForcePCIMode" to enable > pcigart mode. > > If your AGP chipset is unknown, you can try enabling experimental > AGP support via modules.conf with agp_try_unsupported=1 for the > agpgart driver. My video card is a Radeon 7200 32mb DDR AGP(4X) It worked fine until I've replaced my ASUS A7V motherboard (via KT133) with this new model from MSI (via KT600). The agpgart doesn't load whith a message like "cannot determine aperture size..." Someone told me that this chipset isn't supported in 2.4 kernel and that I must use 2.5/2.6, but using Arjanv's 2.6 kernel gave me segfalts when I run glxinfo or glxgears... Thanks in advance ____________________________ Toni Guedes - Inform?tica/CPD Max Love Cosm?ticos Ltda. ____________________________ From paul at frields.com Fri Oct 24 16:07:31 2003 From: paul at frields.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: 24 Oct 2003 12:07:31 -0400 Subject: NIH ImageJ fails under FC In-Reply-To: <20031024153104.12049.qmail@web11005.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20031024153104.12049.qmail@web11005.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1067011651.5019.3.camel@london.east.gov> On Fri, 2003-10-24 at 11:31, Michael Smith wrote: > > > NIH ImageJ (a scientific image analysis program) > > fails > > > to run under Fedora Core 0.95 with the following > > > error: > > > > > > error while loading shared libraries: > > > libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so.2: cannot open shared > > object > > > file: No such file or directory > > > > I think this will cease to be a problem if you > > install the > > compat-libstdc++ RPM. > Thanks for the reply. Unfortunately, this only gets me > to the next dependency failure! > I have written to the people at NIH. There are several compat* RPMs; I did "rpm -qp --provides compat-libstdc++-*.rpm" to ensure that my guess was correct -- that it would solve the particular error you listed. If you're seeing other errors, perhaps you can check to see if you actually have the RPM's available to solve the problem yourself (maybe other compat* libraries?). But there's more than one way to skin a cat; certainly mailing NIH is another. Good luck and cheers. -- Paul W. Frields From johnsonm at redhat.com Fri Oct 24 16:13:48 2003 From: johnsonm at redhat.com (Michael K. Johnson) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 12:13:48 -0400 Subject: RHN Demo Accts. and Fedora In-Reply-To: <1067007968.26988.2.camel@ixion.colorado.edu>; from thompsma@colorado.edu on Fri, Oct 24, 2003 at 09:06:08AM -0600 References: <1067007968.26988.2.camel@ixion.colorado.edu> Message-ID: <20031024121348.A23791@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Fri, Oct 24, 2003 at 09:06:08AM -0600, The Matt wrote: > I'm sure this has been answered but I've never seen it in my time. I > just got my RHN Demo Survey and I was wondering, if my boxes are now all > Fedora...do I need this anymore? Will Fedora's rawhide access ever > depend on RHN or is it separate now? I expect that Fedora's content will be available as a yum-enabled archive indefinitely, no matter what other mechanisms are available. Of course, nothing is constant but change itself, but I don't have any reason to think that will change. michaelkjohnson "He that composes himself is wiser than he that composes a book." Linux Application Development -- Ben Franklin http://people.redhat.com/johnsonm/lad/ From sdahl at protocolmarketing.com Fri Oct 24 16:17:57 2003 From: sdahl at protocolmarketing.com (Scott Dahl) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 09:17:57 -0700 Subject: Help with yum In-Reply-To: <20031024121348.A23791@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <1067007968.26988.2.camel@ixion.colorado.edu> <20031024121348.A23791@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <3F9950B5.8070701@protocolmarketing.com> I'm new to Fedora and I'm not familiar with "yum" as a way to manage my system packages. Can anyone point me to some RTFM's or useful pointers on how to use it? Thanks. -Scott > I expect that Fedora's content will be available as a yum-enabled archive > indefinitely, no matter what other mechanisms are available. Of course, > nothing is constant but change itself, but I don't have any reason to > think that will change. From pmatilai at welho.com Fri Oct 24 16:19:22 2003 From: pmatilai at welho.com (Panu Matilainen) Date: 24 Oct 2003 19:19:22 +0300 Subject: RHN Demo Accts. and Fedora In-Reply-To: <20031024121348.A23791@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <1067007968.26988.2.camel@ixion.colorado.edu> <20031024121348.A23791@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1067012361.3945.10.camel@chip.ath.cx> On Fri, 2003-10-24 at 19:13, Michael K. Johnson wrote: > On Fri, Oct 24, 2003 at 09:06:08AM -0600, The Matt wrote: > > I'm sure this has been answered but I've never seen it in my time. I > > just got my RHN Demo Survey and I was wondering, if my boxes are now all > > Fedora...do I need this anymore? Will Fedora's rawhide access ever > > depend on RHN or is it separate now? > > I expect that Fedora's content will be available as a yum-enabled archive > indefinitely, no matter what other mechanisms are available. Of course, > nothing is constant but change itself, but I don't have any reason to > think that will change. I sure hope that once the common repository metadata "project", on which people from all depsolver camps are working on gets to usable state and is implemented in important-to-Fedora depsolver(s) the archives switch to that, instead of yum-only repository. - Panu - From kaboom at gatech.edu Fri Oct 24 16:20:34 2003 From: kaboom at gatech.edu (Chris Ricker) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 12:20:34 -0400 (EDT) Subject: NIH ImageJ fails under FC In-Reply-To: <20031024153104.12049.qmail@web11005.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20031024153104.12049.qmail@web11005.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 24 Oct 2003, Michael Smith wrote: > Thanks for the reply. Unfortunately, this only gets me > to the next dependency failure! > I have written to the people at NIH. I haven't used ImageJ in a long time, but my recollection is that it's using an older JVM. Edit the run script to use Sun's 1.4.2 JVM, and you should be fine. later, chris From rpjday at mindspring.com Fri Oct 24 16:23:02 2003 From: rpjday at mindspring.com (Robert P. J. Day) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 12:23:02 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Help with yum In-Reply-To: <3F9950B5.8070701@protocolmarketing.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 24 Oct 2003, Scott Dahl wrote: > > I'm new to Fedora and I'm not familiar with "yum" as a way to > manage my system packages. Can anyone point me to some RTFM's > or useful pointers on how to use it? Thanks. -Scott i should have the first part of a yum howto for newbies up online later today. i'll let you know. rday From bernhard.harb at aon.at Fri Oct 24 16:21:29 2003 From: bernhard.harb at aon.at (Bernhard Harb) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 18:21:29 +0200 Subject: OpenOffice German Message-ID: <1067012489.6838.2.camel@chello080109088167.16.15.vie.surfer.at> When I change the language in OpenOffice (FCT3) to german nothing happens. 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URL: From whooperhsd3 at earthlink.net Fri Oct 24 16:26:13 2003 From: whooperhsd3 at earthlink.net (William Hooper) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 12:26:13 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Games doesent work in Fedora test 3 In-Reply-To: <3F98F451.6050808@linuxin.dk> References: <3F95769F.3080502@linuxin.dk> <3F959DAF.60305@linuxin.dk> <200310211410.02540.jkeating@j2solutions.net> <3F960C98.9060901@linuxin.dk> <3F98F451.6050808@linuxin.dk> Message-ID: <3984.12.29.16.103.1067012773.squirrel@12.29.16.103> Bjorn Andersen said: > > The problem was solved. It was the XFree86-Mesa-libGL making trouble. > After uninstalling with "rpm -e XFree86-Mesa-libGL --nodeps" evrything > works fine. And I think that making Videogames working under > RedHat/Fedora is the ONLY way to get Linux out to the masses... > > NO homeuser will ever touch Linux if they cant play! I used to play a number of computer games. Then I came to the realization that a Playstation 2 cost less than the last video card I bought to increase game performance. Different strokes for different folks. -- William Hooper From johnsonm at redhat.com Fri Oct 24 16:32:09 2003 From: johnsonm at redhat.com (Michael K. Johnson) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 12:32:09 -0400 Subject: RHN Demo Accts. and Fedora In-Reply-To: <1067012361.3945.10.camel@chip.ath.cx>; from pmatilai@welho.com on Fri, Oct 24, 2003 at 07:19:22PM +0300 References: <1067007968.26988.2.camel@ixion.colorado.edu> <20031024121348.A23791@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1067012361.3945.10.camel@chip.ath.cx> Message-ID: <20031024123209.A19425@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Fri, Oct 24, 2003 at 07:19:22PM +0300, Panu Matilainen wrote: > I sure hope that once the common repository metadata "project", on which > people from all depsolver camps are working on gets to usable state and > is implemented in important-to-Fedora depsolver(s) the archives switch > to that, instead of yum-only repository. I think that's an obvious given. That's why I said "yum-enabled" instead of just plain "yum". :-) michaelkjohnson "He that composes himself is wiser than he that composes a book." Linux Application Development -- Ben Franklin http://people.redhat.com/johnsonm/lad/ From jkeating at j2solutions.net Fri Oct 24 16:31:30 2003 From: jkeating at j2solutions.net (Jesse Keating) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 09:31:30 -0700 Subject: how to use lilo? In-Reply-To: <20031024151508.56759.qmail@web40311.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20031024151508.56759.qmail@web40311.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200310240931.30643.jkeating@j2solutions.net> On Friday 24 October 2003 08:15, Globe Trotter wrote: > Should I more soothed now? Did you add the "lba32" to your conf file like it asked? -- Jesse Keating RHCE MCSE (geek.j2solutions.net) Fedora Legacy Team (www.fedora.us/wiki/FedoraLegacy) Mondo DevTeam (www.mondorescue.org) GPG Public Key (geek.j2solutions.net/jkeating.j2solutions.pub) Was I helpful? Let others know: http://svcs.affero.net/rm.php?r=jkeating -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The agpgart doesn't load whith >a message like "cannot determine aperture size..." > >Someone told me that this chipset isn't supported in 2.4 kernel and that >I must use 2.5/2.6, but using Arjanv's 2.6 kernel gave me segfalts when >I run glxinfo or glxgears... Try using the unsupported option: Option "ForcePCIMode" That option is useful for 2 things: 1) It allows PCI Radeon cards to enable DRI experimentally, and may work perfectly or may crash horribly. Very experimental and unsupported, but bug reports are appreciated nonetheless so that I can investigate them if I ever have time, just don't expect any official high speed fixes. ;o) 2) It allows AGP Radeon cards to be treated as if they were a PCI Radeon card and use pcigart for DRI. Same caveats as #1 above apply here. Your other option is to rebuild the XFree86 rpm from src.rpm with XFree86-4.3.0-Mesa-SSE-fixes-from-MesaCVS.patch patch disabled. That might or might not allow you to use the 2.6.x kernels. -- Mike A. Harris ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris OS Systems Engineer - XFree86 maintainer - Red Hat From itsme_410 at yahoo.com Fri Oct 24 16:35:49 2003 From: itsme_410 at yahoo.com (Globe Trotter) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 09:35:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: how to use lilo? In-Reply-To: <200310240931.30643.jkeating@j2solutions.net> Message-ID: <20031024163549.44601.qmail@web40312.mail.yahoo.com> --- Jesse Keating wrote: > On Friday 24 October 2003 08:15, Globe Trotter wrote: > > Should I more soothed now? > > Did you add the "lba32" to your conf file like it asked? I need to add something? Where? I just figured that -L option would override and take care of the problem (which mercifully it did!) Thanks! > > -- > Jesse Keating RHCE MCSE (geek.j2solutions.net) > Fedora Legacy Team (www.fedora.us/wiki/FedoraLegacy) > Mondo DevTeam (www.mondorescue.org) > GPG Public Key (geek.j2solutions.net/jkeating.j2solutions.pub) > > Was I helpful? Let others know: > http://svcs.affero.net/rm.php?r=jkeating > ATTACHMENT part 2 application/pgp-signature __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From pmatilai at welho.com Fri Oct 24 16:38:20 2003 From: pmatilai at welho.com (Panu Matilainen) Date: 24 Oct 2003 19:38:20 +0300 Subject: RHN Demo Accts. and Fedora In-Reply-To: <20031024123209.A19425@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <1067007968.26988.2.camel@ixion.colorado.edu> <20031024121348.A23791@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1067012361.3945.10.camel@chip.ath.cx> <20031024123209.A19425@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1067013500.3945.18.camel@chip.ath.cx> On Fri, 2003-10-24 at 19:32, Michael K. Johnson wrote: > On Fri, Oct 24, 2003 at 07:19:22PM +0300, Panu Matilainen wrote: > > I sure hope that once the common repository metadata "project", on which > > people from all depsolver camps are working on gets to usable state and > > is implemented in important-to-Fedora depsolver(s) the archives switch > > to that, instead of yum-only repository. > > I think that's an obvious given. That's why I said "yum-enabled" > instead of just plain "yum". :-) Ok, I just failed to see the somewhat subtle difference there :) - Panu - From jkeating at j2solutions.net Fri Oct 24 16:38:02 2003 From: jkeating at j2solutions.net (Jesse Keating) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 09:38:02 -0700 Subject: how to use lilo? In-Reply-To: <20031024163549.44601.qmail@web40312.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20031024163549.44601.qmail@web40312.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200310240938.03097.jkeating@j2solutions.net> On Friday 24 October 2003 09:35, Globe Trotter wrote: > I need to add something? Where? I just figured that -L option would > override and take care of the problem (which mercifully it did!) Well in case you forget, add it to /etc/lilo.conf -- Jesse Keating RHCE MCSE (geek.j2solutions.net) Fedora Legacy Team (www.fedora.us/wiki/FedoraLegacy) Mondo DevTeam (www.mondorescue.org) GPG Public Key (geek.j2solutions.net/jkeating.j2solutions.pub) Was I helpful? Let others know: http://svcs.affero.net/rm.php?r=jkeating -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: signature URL: From pjain001 at covad.net Fri Oct 24 16:44:31 2003 From: pjain001 at covad.net (pjain001 at covad.net) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 12:44:31 -0400 (EDT) Subject: compiling perl and sybperl on FCT3 Message-ID: <60464.63.161.116.194.1067013871@sun-qmail14.laserlink.net> Hello all, Has anyone compiled perl 5.81 and sybperl 2.15 on FCT3? Compiling perl with the following command yields an error and I guess there are two issues regarding perl compilation. Once I can sort through this, I can move onto sybperl. 1) should I use gcc or gcc32 2) Is the posix library part of FCT3 and if so, why can't ld find it? Thanks Pankaj Command ( from sybperl 2.15 README ): ./Configure -ders -Dlibs="-lnsl -lgdbm -ldl -lm -lc -lposix -lcrypt" Error: Checking your choice of C compiler and flags for coherency... I've tried to compile and run the following simple program: #include int main() { printf("Ok\n"); return(0); } I used the command: cc -o try -O3 -fno-strict-aliasing -I/usr/local/include -L/usr/local/lib try.c -lnsl -lgdbm -ldl -lm -lc -lcreposix -lcrypt ./try and I got the following output: /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lcreposix collect2: ld returned 1 exit status I can't compile the test program. You have a BIG problem. Shall I abort Configure [y] Ok. Stopping Configure. From akabi at speakeasy.net Fri Oct 24 16:55:58 2003 From: akabi at speakeasy.net (ne...) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 12:55:58 -0400 (EDT) Subject: how to use lilo? In-Reply-To: <20031024151508.56759.qmail@web40311.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20031024151508.56759.qmail@web40311.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Oct 24, 2003 at 08:15, Globe Trotter in a soothing rage wrote: >Warning: device 0x2105 exceeds 1024 cylinder limit. > Use of the 'lba32' option may help on newer (EDD BIOS) systems. >Warning: LINEAR may generate cylinder# above 1023 at boot-time. >Fatal: Sector address 22160267 too large for LINEAR (try LBA32 instead). As Jesse Keating asked, didi you change the 'linear' to 'lba32'??? N.Emile... -- Registered Linux User # 125653 (http://counter.li.org) Switch to: http://www.speakeasy.net/refer/190653 If you lose your temper at a newspaper columnist, he'll get rich, or famous or both. 12:54:11 up 61 days, 28 min, 5 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 From aoliva at redhat.com Fri Oct 24 16:58:08 2003 From: aoliva at redhat.com (Alexandre Oliva) Date: 24 Oct 2003 14:58:08 -0200 Subject: nameserver ip adress disappearing afer install? In-Reply-To: <3F99239F.1040706@epost.de> References: <3F99239F.1040706@epost.de> Message-ID: On Oct 24, 2003, Rainer Traut wrote: > tried on RHES 3.0 and fedora test3. What is RHES 3.0? -- Alexandre Oliva Enjoy Guarana', see http://www.ic.unicamp.br/~oliva/ Red Hat GCC Developer aoliva@{redhat.com, gcc.gnu.org} CS PhD student at IC-Unicamp oliva@{lsd.ic.unicamp.br, gnu.org} Free Software Evangelist Professional serial bug killer From akabi at speakeasy.net Fri Oct 24 16:58:46 2003 From: akabi at speakeasy.net (ne...) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 12:58:46 -0400 (EDT) Subject: how to use lilo? In-Reply-To: <20031024163549.44601.qmail@web40312.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20031024163549.44601.qmail@web40312.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Oct 24, 2003 at 09:35, Globe Trotter in a soothing rage wrote: > >--- Jesse Keating wrote: >> On Friday 24 October 2003 08:15, Globe Trotter wrote: >> > Should I more soothed now? >> >> Did you add the "lba32" to your conf file like it asked? > >I need to add something? Where? I just figured that -L option would override >and take care of the problem (which mercifully it did!) See example below: prompt timeout=50 vga=extended boot=/dev/hda map=/boot/map install=/boot/boot.b message=/boot/message lba32 <<<------------- here!!! default=2.4.20-20.8 image=/boot/vmlinuz-2.4.20-20.8 label=2.4.20-20.8 initrd=/boot/initrd-2.4.20-20.8.img read-only append="hdc=ide-scsi video=matrox:vesa:447" root=/dev/hdb2 image=/mnt/RH81beta/boot/vmlinuz-2.4.20-8 label=RH9 initrd=/mnt/RH81beta/boot/initrd-2.4.20-8.img read-only append="hdc=ide-scsi video=matrox:vesa:447" root=/dev/hdb3 N.Emile... -- Registered Linux User # 125653 (http://counter.li.org) Switch to: http://www.speakeasy.net/refer/190653 DON'T go!! I'm not HOWARD COSELL!! I know POLISH JOKES ... WAIT!! Don't go!! I AM Howard Cosell! ... And I DON'T know Polish jokes!! 12:56:43 up 61 days, 31 min, 5 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 From rainer.traut at epost.de Fri Oct 24 17:06:14 2003 From: rainer.traut at epost.de (Rainer Traut) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 19:06:14 +0200 Subject: nameserver ip adress disappearing afer install? In-Reply-To: References: <3F99239F.1040706@epost.de> Message-ID: <3F995C06.6030103@epost.de> Alexandre Oliva wrote: > On Oct 24, 2003, Rainer Traut wrote: > > >>tried on RHES 3.0 and fedora test3. > > > What is RHES 3.0? > Red Hat Enterprise Entry Server 3.0 [root at notes4-ent root]# cat /etc/redhat-release Red Hat Enterprise Linux ES release 3 (Taroon) Gruss Rainer From mharris at redhat.com Fri Oct 24 17:18:04 2003 From: mharris at redhat.com (Mike A. Harris) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 13:18:04 -0400 (EDT) Subject: nameserver ip adress disappearing afer install? In-Reply-To: <3F995C06.6030103@epost.de> References: <3F99239F.1040706@epost.de> <3F995C06.6030103@epost.de> Message-ID: On Fri, 24 Oct 2003, Rainer Traut wrote: >> What is RHES 3.0? > >Red Hat Enterprise Entry Server 3.0 No such thing as "Entry Server" nor "3.0" as your comment shows below. ;o) >[root at notes4-ent root]# cat /etc/redhat-release >Red Hat Enterprise Linux ES release 3 (Taroon) ES is not "Entry Server" There is no .0, it's just "3" I suspect that's why Alexandre was confused, as we've never heard of those terms before. Hope this helps. -- Mike A. Harris ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris OS Systems Engineer - XFree86 maintainer - Red Hat From glass-art at comcast.net Fri Oct 24 17:20:16 2003 From: glass-art at comcast.net (Clifford Snow) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 10:20:16 -0700 Subject: Nautilus won't start In-Reply-To: <3F9942D6.1050909@atl.lmco.com> References: <3F9942D6.1050909@atl.lmco.com> Message-ID: <1067016016.3994.3.camel@blue.comcast.net> On Fri, 2003-10-24 at 08:18, Douglas Stewart wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Post installation of the latest Rawhide packages, nautilus fails to > start, with the following message being printed: > > "nautilus: relocation error: /usr/lib/librsvg-2.so.2: undefined symbol: > cr_doc_handler_new" > > I know there was a to-do with yesterday's librsvg update. Could this be > caused by that, and, if so, what's the solution? > > I'll gladly bugzilla it. Check out http://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=107875 I believe that it is already entered and fixed. My question is there anyway get librsvg2-2.4.0-3 to fix this without having to wait until it comes out in the next batch of updates. -- Clifford Snow glass-art at comcast.net -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From nosp at xades.com Fri Oct 24 17:27:10 2003 From: nosp at xades.com (nosp) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 18:27:10 +0100 Subject: Games doesent work in Fedora test 3 In-Reply-To: References: <3F95769F.3080502@linuxin.dk> <3F959DAF.60305@linuxin.dk> <200310211410.02540.jkeating@j2solutions.net> <3F960C98.9060901@linuxin.dk> <1066809492.5398.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> <3F96974A.4060801@linuxin.dk> <3F96B61D.30902@tmsusa.com> <1066868624.25815.38.camel@earth.xades.com> <1066913054.25815.59.camel@earth.xades.com> Message-ID: <1067016429.25815.107.camel@earth.xades.com> Wow, hope I'll be more polite in this response so I don't get anyone upset. On Fri, 2003-10-24 at 06:55, Mike A. Harris wrote: > On Thu, 23 Oct 2003, nosp wrote: > > >> That just shows you're using a method that is inherently > >> flawed/broken to try to uninstall the package. I don't recommend > >> using apt for anything ever. Use yum, or use rpm directly. > > > >Hmm -- I'm not sure that apt is telling me anything that rpm doesn't > >tell me; actually apt shows me, quicker, how big an effect my desire to > >remove Mesa will have. Here's what rpm tells me: > > apt is telling you it'll gladly uninstall half your system if you > like to remove Mesa. RPM would tell you that there is > dependancies on Mesa from other applications, then you'd say to > yourself "yes, but I am uninstalling one libGL.so.1 and > installing an alternative libGL.so.1, so when I'm done all > dependancies will still be met", then you'd use --nodeps to > uninstall Mesa, and then install Nvidia, and everything is happy. I completely understand what you are saying about what rpm's saying. However you're not disputing my point that apt's responses are valid and not "broken," nor are you disputing my point that removing the Mesa rpm causes rpm/yum/apt to complain about XFree-lib's requirements unless you override some of their defaults with --nodeps. In that case we agree here and can move on. > >Clearly the dependency of XFree86-{libs,tools} on Mesa is the > >"problem." I disagree that apt is flawed/broken. But is there a > >solution to this? Probably more relevant in response to your next > >point...see below. > > Wrong. There is absolutely *NO* dependancy on Mesa. The > dependancy is explicitly on libGL.so.1 as you quote above. > *ANYTHING* that provides a library called libGL.so.1 by > definition solves the dependancy, including Nvidia's libGL.so.1 Umm...yes, I agree and always have. Substitute "a lib provided my Mesa" for "Mesa" in my original sentence. Thought my abbreviation was obvious but sorry for the confusion. I think we can finish with this point too. > I already gave you the solution, uninstall Mesa-libGL using rpm > with --nodeps, and immediately install the Nvidia packages. > > Problem solved. Works for hundreds of users, and can work for > you too! Your solution does not result in rpm/yum/apt thinking there is a fully-satisfied package dependency graph for installed packages. That's part of what I envisioned "solving" the problem would entail. If you think that's not necessary then I would agree your approach is fine. If it is necessary, the root of the problem is that only the Mesa rpm provides libGL and nvidia's "packages" are not rpms. I suppose I was expecting you to say "nvidia should fix their 'packages' to be RPMs." Since you've said that elsewhere and I agree with that...I think we've closed this point. > I gave you the solution that works properly. I'm not going to > bother repeating myself 500 times however or explain in detail > how rpm or apt works. You can use my solution, and have it work > for you too, or you can think too much about it, and worry about > it and keep a non-working system. Your choice... Ibid. I won't bother repeating myself either. > >I don't think any of this helps us with the original question, > >which was "how will Mike make the Mesa rpm explicitly conflict > >with the nvidia drivers." > > Simple: > > Conflicts: Unless I'm mistaken there is no nvidia package; this together with your later confirmation that you can't make an rpm "conflict with something that is installed that is not an rpm" means that we have to get nvidia to get their installer to make an rpm, or find another solution. Here's why I think there is no nvidia package: # rpm -q --whatprovides /usr/lib/tls/libGL.so file /usr/lib/tls/libGL.so is not owned by any package # ls -l /usr/lib/tls/libGL.so [...] /usr/lib/tls/libGL.so -> libGL.so.1 # ls -l /usr/lib/tls/libGL.so.1 [...] /usr/lib/tls/libGL.so.1 -> libGL.so.1.0.4496 (this is the nvidia driver) To clarify, I am happy to ask nvidia if they would change their installer to create rpms for rpm-based distros, or allow a third party to distribute an rpm. If you don't have any objections to that course of action I will pursue it. > That way Nvidia does not need to delete the files to avoid the > conflict (which is wrong on so many levels it isn't funny), and > users are alerted by RPM directly that the two packages conflict > with libGL. The proper solution to this is the one I've outlined > above. Nvidia's future rpm packages and installer can then stop > deleting our rpm installed files and instead automate the process > of doing: > > rpm -e --nodeps XFree86-Mesa-libGL > rpm -Uvh Nvidia-package-name-containing-libGL sounds great > That will make life easier for users, for Nvidia, and for Red Hat > IMHO, which is the end goal. Sounds great too. > Remember, in previous releases > there was no Mesa-libGL or Mesa-libGLU subpackages. I created > those 2 packages explicitly for one purpose - to allow 3rd party > vendors to be able to easily replace either one or both of those > libraries with their own custom libGL/libGLU (some vendors have > their own libGLU for whatever strange reasons). I am sure they are happy you did this, and so am I. > To date, I'm not aware of any vendors who have taken advantage of > this unfortunately. ;o( Agreed, it's unfortunate. > >I just want to clarify that I think this effort to help smooth > >out this issue is very much appreciated by myself and, I > >imagine, other binary nvidia users. So thanks -- my musings > >were merely a desire to get more insight into how you would > >tackle this problem. The solution doesn't seem obvious to me > >because you have to make an rpm conflict with something that > >isn't installed by (an) rpm. How would you do that? > > You cant make an rpm conflict with something that is installed > that is not an rpm. I can make an rpm conflict with another rpm, > which means people who install Nvidia's drivers with rpm would > end up hopefully having a properly working system assuming Nvidia > updates their rpms and driver installation procedure. Users who > install Nvidia's stuff without rpm are more or less on their own, > and always will be, because rpm doesn't know anything about > anything that isn't installed via rpm (and shouldn't). This is all users of nvidia's installer, since it doesn't use rpms. > >Could you make the rpm conflict with a file that only the nvidia > >installer created? That would probably be too fragile a method, > >right? > > Wether it would be technically possible via some ugly hack or not > doesn't matter. I wouldn't implement an ugly hack like that for > any reason anyway. People should use rpms, and if they don't > then like has always been the case in the past for all software > installation - they're on their own to solve whatever package > conflicts or problems arise. Yeah, so we agree; it's "too fragile," aka an "ugly hack." > I want to make the situation better, but 3rd party vendors > packaging stuff in rpms need to want to have things better too, I > can only make things nicer on my side, but I can't make their > side better. I can help them to do so though if they're > interested. Appreciated. From david.ponce at wanadoo.fr Fri Oct 24 17:31:00 2003 From: david.ponce at wanadoo.fr (David PONCE) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 19:31:00 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Unable to bootstrap GNU Emacs 21.3 (segfault) Message-ID: <18456542.1067016660647.JavaMail.www@wwinf0403> Hi All, I just installed FC3 on my laptop and enjoy very much this distrib. Thanks to all the people that contributed to that! However, on that new box bootstraping GNU Emacs 21.3.1 (official) or 21.3.50.1 (devel) constantly fails with a segfault when dumping preloaded lisp code into the bare temacs executable Here are some (I hope) useful informations: ? uname -a Linux maunakea 2.4.22-1.2105.nptl #1 Tue Oct 21 22:08:32 EDT 2003 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux ? rpm -qa | grep gcc gcc-g77-3.3.1-6 gcc-java-3.3.1-6 gcc32-3.2.3-6 libgcc-3.3.1-6 gcc-c++-3.3.1-6 gcc-3.3.1-6 gcc-gnat-3.3.1-6 compat-gcc-7.3-2.96.118 ? rpm -qa | grep glibc glibc-common-2.3.2-98 glibc-devel-2.3.2-98 glibc-kernheaders-2.4-8.24 glibc-2.3.2-98 glibc-headers-2.3.2-98 And a gdb traceback I got: (gdb) backtrace #0 0x007f5edc in memcpy () from /lib/tls/libc.so.6 #1 0x0815b3d2 in unexec (new_name=0xa6493a8 "/home/ponce/installs/emacs/lisp/emacs", old_name=0xa6493d4 "/home/ponce/installs/emacs/lisp/temacs", data_start=137866864, bss_start=0, entry_address=0) at unexelf.c:925 #2 0x080d9492 in Fdump_emacs (filename=174516796, symfile=174516780) at emacs.c:2155 #3 0x081334ae in Feval (form=135861544) at eval.c:2078 #4 0x0813101a in Fprogn (args=-1094580120) at eval.c:408 #5 0x08130f69 in Fif (args=-1440425712) at eval.c:357 #6 0x081335ff in Feval (form=-2009624484) at eval.c:2025 #7 0x08130f48 in Fif (args=-1440424832) at eval.c:356 #8 0x081335ff in Feval (form=-2009624484) at eval.c:2025 #9 0x08146b73 in readevalloop (readcharfun=705765364, stream=0xa13e820, sourcename=1779655604, evalfun=0x8133174 , printflag=0, unibyte=137870080, readfun=705652836) at lread.c:1376 #10 0x08145c54 in Fload (file=1779655604, noerror=705652836, nomessage=705652836, nosuffix=705652836, must_suffix=705652836) at lread.c:914 #11 0x081334fc in Feval (form=137863376) at eval.c:2092 #12 0x080da379 in top_level_2 () at keyboard.c:1301 #13 0x0813235e in internal_condition_case (bfun=0x80da368 , handlers=705746516, hfun=0x80da070 ) at eval.c:1333 #14 0x080da3a5 in top_level_1 () at keyboard.c:1309 #15 0x08131efd in internal_catch (tag=137870080, func=0x80da37c , arg=705652836) at eval.c:1094 #16 0x080da2f7 in command_loop () at keyboard.c:1270 #17 0x080d9e4c in recursive_edit_1 () at keyboard.c:987 #18 0x080d9f5c in Frecursive_edit () at keyboard.c:1043 #19 0x080d88b9 in main (argc=5, argv=0xbff00554) at emacs.c:1666 I tried gcc32 and gcc296 and got the same error. I also tried to build Emacs without X toolkit without success. Does anybody succeeded to do that? Or have an idea on what happens? FYI, I use RH 7.1+updates at home and never encountered any problem to build Emacs. Thanks in advance for any help. Sincerely, David From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Fri Oct 24 17:33:44 2003 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: 24 Oct 2003 13:33:44 -0400 Subject: RHN Demo Accts. and Fedora In-Reply-To: <1067012361.3945.10.camel@chip.ath.cx> References: <1067007968.26988.2.camel@ixion.colorado.edu> <20031024121348.A23791@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1067012361.3945.10.camel@chip.ath.cx> Message-ID: <1067016824.1457.71.camel@opus> On Fri, 2003-10-24 at 12:19, Panu Matilainen wrote: > On Fri, 2003-10-24 at 19:13, Michael K. Johnson wrote: > > On Fri, Oct 24, 2003 at 09:06:08AM -0600, The Matt wrote: > > > I'm sure this has been answered but I've never seen it in my time. I > > > just got my RHN Demo Survey and I was wondering, if my boxes are now all > > > Fedora...do I need this anymore? Will Fedora's rawhide access ever > > > depend on RHN or is it separate now? > > > > I expect that Fedora's content will be available as a yum-enabled archive > > indefinitely, no matter what other mechanisms are available. Of course, > > nothing is constant but change itself, but I don't have any reason to > > think that will change. > > I sure hope that once the common repository metadata "project", on which > people from all depsolver camps are working on gets to usable state and > is implemented in important-to-Fedora depsolver(s) the archives switch > to that, instead of yum-only repository. +1 So do I. To me, the whole point of the common metadata format is to get all places to use it. I know I'll be using it on everything *.dulug.duke.edu once it's finished. -sv From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Fri Oct 24 17:37:00 2003 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: 24 Oct 2003 13:37:00 -0400 Subject: Beep on X11 login screen In-Reply-To: <1067010435.8157.6.camel@bfox.devel.redhat.com> References: <01L27L6IDC2M0032CL@rcum.uni-mb.si> <1066999210.7222.57.camel@binkley> <3F992F48.5050403@atl.lmco.com> <1067004960.1455.24.camel@opus> <3F993593.7030108@atl.lmco.com> <1067005687.1455.33.camel@opus> <1067010435.8157.6.camel@bfox.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1067017020.1455.73.camel@opus> On Fri, 2003-10-24 at 11:47, Brent Fox wrote: > On Fri, 2003-10-24 at 10:28, seth vidal wrote: > > > Haw. Very funny. > > > > > > I'd like to disable the beep FOR GDM ONLY, not the whole machine, smart > > > aleck. *grin* > > > > Ah that takes more finesse, then. You have to unplug your speaker as gdm > > is loading, and plug it back in once it is finished loading. > > Of course, this approach won't work for a laptop with built-in > speakers. :) My Compaq Presario 1700T has an abnormally loud system > beep which the bios does not allow to be disabled. How are you with circuit-trace snips? :-D -sv From seandarcy at hotmail.com Fri Oct 24 17:39:03 2003 From: seandarcy at hotmail.com (sean darcy) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 13:39:03 -0400 Subject: laptop dhcp fails on severn Message-ID: >For whatever it's worth, I have a FC-0.95 (Severn3) laptop, updated to >current rawhide contents, on which PCMCIA NIC works fine w/DHCP. The NIC >is a Xircom IIps (16-bit). Well that's good news ( it can work ) and bad news ( I doing something stupid ). I've tried it on two old laptops. One of the cards is also a Xircom IIps. Do you have two cards? I'm using this old laptop as a router, so one is connected to the cable modem, the other to the hub of the internal lan. Here's how I've set up eth0 - which is a 3Com 589 ( which works fine on the lan with a static address ). cat ifcfg-eth0 DEVICE=eth0 TYPE=Ethernet IF_PORT=10baseT ONBOOT=yes USERCTL=yes PEERDNS=yes NETMASK= IPADDR= HWADDR=00:60:97:8f:5d:d1 BOOTPROTO=dhcp When I try to start it, I get: ./network start Setting network parameters: [ OK ] Bringing up loopback interface: [ OK ] Bringing up interface eth0: Determining IP information for eth0... failed. [FAILED] Bringing up interface eth1: [ OK ] /var/log/messages shows: Oct 24 01:19:15 gateway sysctl: net.ipv4.ip_forward = 1 Oct 24 01:19:15 gateway sysctl: net.ipv4.conf.default.rp_filter = 0 Oct 24 01:19:15 gateway sysctl: kernel.sysrq = 0 Oct 24 01:19:15 gateway sysctl: kernel.core_uses_pid = 1 Oct 24 01:19:15 gateway network: Setting network parameters: succeeded Oct 24 01:19:15 gateway ifup: Cannot get driver information: Operation not supported Oct 24 01:19:15 gateway kernel: ip_tables: (C) 2000-2002 Netfilter core team Oct 24 01:19:16 gateway kernel: ip_tables: (C) 2000-2002 Netfilter core team Oct 24 01:19:16 gateway network: Bringing up loopback interface: succeeded Oct 24 01:19:17 gateway ifup: Oct 24 01:19:17 gateway ifup: Determining IP information for eth0... Oct 24 01:19:21 gateway dhclient: DHCPDISCOVER on eth0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 6 Oct 24 01:19:27 gateway dhclient: DHCPDISCOVER on eth0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 9 Oct 24 01:19:36 gateway dhclient: DHCPDISCOVER on eth0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 18 Oct 24 01:19:54 gateway dhclient: DHCPDISCOVER on eth0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 8 Oct 24 01:20:02 gateway dhclient: DHCPDISCOVER on eth0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 9 Oct 24 01:20:11 gateway dhclient: DHCPDISCOVER on eth0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 11 Oct 24 01:20:22 gateway dhclient: No DHCPOFFERS received. Oct 24 01:20:22 gateway ifup: failed. Oct 24 01:20:22 gateway network: Bringing up interface eth0: failed Oct 24 01:20:22 gateway ifup: Cannot get driver information: Operation not supported Oct 24 01:20:22 gateway kernel: ip_tables: (C) 2000-2002 Netfilter core team Oct 24 01:20:25 gateway kernel: ip_tables: (C) 2000-2002 Netfilter core team Oct 24 01:20:25 gateway network: Bringing up interface eth1: succeeded But ethereal shows DHCPOFFERS coming in! What happens when you bring your card up? I don't know what the "ifup: Cannot get driver information: Operation not supported" message means, but it doesn't seem to bother eth1 coming up. Also I don't know why ip_tables shows up. It's stopped: ps -aux | grep table root 2792 0.0 0.5 4704 656 pts/0 S 01:28 0:00 grep table I'm fresh out of ideas, so I'd really appreciate any help sean _________________________________________________________________ See when your friends are online with MSN Messenger 6.0. Download it now FREE! http://msnmessenger-download.com From rainer.traut at epost.de Fri Oct 24 17:42:48 2003 From: rainer.traut at epost.de (Rainer Traut) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 19:42:48 +0200 Subject: nameserver ip adress disappearing afer install? In-Reply-To: References: <3F99239F.1040706@epost.de> <3F995C06.6030103@epost.de> Message-ID: <3F996498.7010501@epost.de> Hi, Mike A. Harris wrote: > ES is not "Entry Server" > > There is no .0, it's just "3" > > I suspect that's why Alexandre was confused, as we've never heard > of those terms before. > > Hope this helps. Now it's me who is confused... Germany's biggest(and normally best) computer magazine c't called ES Entry Server. http://www.heise.de/newsticker/data/odi-22.10.03-000/ But thank you for correction. Though my dns ip hasn't reappeared yet... ;) Gruss Rainer From gordo at bussefamily.net Fri Oct 24 17:53:56 2003 From: gordo at bussefamily.net (Gord Busse) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 11:53:56 -0600 Subject: Fedora and LG CD-RW Drives Message-ID: <002301c39a57$cbddf860$4602a8c0@gordo> Just curious if Fedora might be having the same problems that Mandrake 9.2 is having right now with LG based CD-RW drives: http://www.mandrakelinux.com/en/errata.php3#badlg Would like some clarification about this before I download and install the Fedora Release (once it is out) as all of my CD-RW drives are LG. Thanx, Gordo -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From aoliva at redhat.com Fri Oct 24 17:57:24 2003 From: aoliva at redhat.com (Alexandre Oliva) Date: 24 Oct 2003 15:57:24 -0200 Subject: nameserver ip adress disappearing afer install? In-Reply-To: References: <3F99239F.1040706@epost.de> <3F995C06.6030103@epost.de> Message-ID: On Oct 24, 2003, "Mike A. Harris" wrote: > I suspect that's why Alexandre was confused, as we've never heard > of those terms before. I wasn't really confused. I was pretty sure it meant RHEL 3 ES, but it was so garbled that I thought I *had* to point it out :-) -- Alexandre Oliva Enjoy Guarana', see http://www.ic.unicamp.br/~oliva/ Red Hat GCC Developer aoliva@{redhat.com, gcc.gnu.org} CS PhD student at IC-Unicamp oliva@{lsd.ic.unicamp.br, gnu.org} Free Software Evangelist Professional serial bug killer From aoliva at redhat.com Fri Oct 24 18:12:38 2003 From: aoliva at redhat.com (Alexandre Oliva) Date: 24 Oct 2003 16:12:38 -0200 Subject: nameserver ip adress disappearing afer install? In-Reply-To: <3F996498.7010501@epost.de> References: <3F99239F.1040706@epost.de> <3F995C06.6030103@epost.de> <3F996498.7010501@epost.de> Message-ID: On Oct 24, 2003, Rainer Traut wrote: > Now it's me who is confused... > Germany's biggest(and normally best) computer magazine c't called > ES Entry Server. > http://www.heise.de/newsticker/data/odi-22.10.03-000/ The press (and most people :-) have this habit of second-guessing what they hear or read. That's when 3 becomes 3.0, RHEL ES becomes RHES, AS, ES and WS are assumed to be acronyms for whatever the reporter can think of, etc. The name of the product line is Red Hat Enterprise Linux version 3 (sometimes shortened to the acronym RHEL 3), and it's available in 3 variants: AS, ES, and WS. These pairs of letters have no particular meaning. They might as well have been AB, CD and EFG. If you find any similar mistakes in the press, please let us and/or the publisher know about the mistake. Thanks, -- Alexandre Oliva Enjoy Guarana', see http://www.ic.unicamp.br/~oliva/ Red Hat GCC Developer aoliva@{redhat.com, gcc.gnu.org} CS PhD student at IC-Unicamp oliva@{lsd.ic.unicamp.br, gnu.org} Free Software Evangelist Professional serial bug killer From aoliva at redhat.com Fri Oct 24 18:17:57 2003 From: aoliva at redhat.com (Alexandre Oliva) Date: 24 Oct 2003 16:17:57 -0200 Subject: Fedora and LG CD-RW Drives In-Reply-To: <002301c39a57$cbddf860$4602a8c0@gordo> References: <002301c39a57$cbddf860$4602a8c0@gordo> Message-ID: On Oct 24, 2003, "Gord Busse" wrote: > http://www.mandrakelinux.com/en/errata.php3#badlg > Would like some clarification about this before I download and install > the Fedora Release (once it is out) as all of my CD-RW drives are LG. I have several LG CD, CDRW and CDRW/DVD drives at home, and I can assure you none of the Fedora Core test kernels I have installed on the machines driving them has caused any problem similar to that described above. Disclaimer: I haven't tested all Fedora Core test kernels, only most of them, and I certainly don't own all variants of LG CD drives, so if I'm just lucky and you happen to not be, I'm not taking any kind of responsibility in case your happens to break. Just to be very clear :-) -- Alexandre Oliva Enjoy Guarana', see http://www.ic.unicamp.br/~oliva/ Red Hat GCC Developer aoliva@{redhat.com, gcc.gnu.org} CS PhD student at IC-Unicamp oliva@{lsd.ic.unicamp.br, gnu.org} Free Software Evangelist Professional serial bug killer From rainer.traut at epost.de Fri Oct 24 18:23:42 2003 From: rainer.traut at epost.de (Rainer Traut) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 20:23:42 +0200 Subject: nameserver ip adress disappearing afer install? In-Reply-To: References: <3F99239F.1040706@epost.de> <3F995C06.6030103@epost.de> <3F996498.7010501@epost.de> Message-ID: <3F996E2E.20805@epost.de> Alexandre Oliva wrote: > > > The press (and most people :-) have this habit of second-guessing what > they hear or read. That's when 3 becomes 3.0, RHEL ES becomes RHES, > AS, ES and WS are assumed to be acronyms for whatever the reporter can > think of, etc. The name of the product line is Red Hat Enterprise > Linux version 3 (sometimes shortened to the acronym RHEL 3), and it's > available in 3 variants: AS, ES, and WS. These pairs of letters have > no particular meaning. They might as well have been AB, CD and EFG. > > If you find any similar mistakes in the press, please let us and/or > the publisher know about the mistake. Thanks, > I think it's pretty common in germany... http://www.pro-linux.de/news/2003/6094.html That website is here well known, too. Rainer From kaboom at gatech.edu Fri Oct 24 18:25:51 2003 From: kaboom at gatech.edu (Chris Ricker) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 14:25:51 -0400 (EDT) Subject: nameserver ip adress disappearing afer install? In-Reply-To: References: <3F99239F.1040706@epost.de> <3F995C06.6030103@epost.de> <3F996498.7010501@epost.de> Message-ID: On Fri, 24 Oct 2003, Alexandre Oliva wrote: > The press (and most people :-) have this habit of second-guessing what > they hear or read. That's when 3 becomes 3.0, RHEL ES becomes RHES, > AS, ES and WS are assumed to be acronyms for whatever the reporter can > think of, etc. The name of the product line is Red Hat Enterprise > Linux version 3 (sometimes shortened to the acronym RHEL 3), and it's > available in 3 variants: AS, ES, and WS. These pairs of letters have > no particular meaning. They might as well have been AB, CD and EFG. > > If you find any similar mistakes in the press, please let us and/or > the publisher know about the mistake. Thanks, You might start by letting your marketing people know ;-) Some of Red Hat's white papers describing the product line give meanings to the acronyms AS, ES, and WS. AS == advanced server ES == entry/mid server WS == workstation is in later, chris From davej at redhat.com Fri Oct 24 18:27:38 2003 From: davej at redhat.com (Dave Jones) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 19:27:38 +0100 Subject: Fedora and LG CD-RW Drives In-Reply-To: <002301c39a57$cbddf860$4602a8c0@gordo> References: <002301c39a57$cbddf860$4602a8c0@gordo> Message-ID: <20031024182738.GA14521@redhat.com> On Fri, Oct 24, 2003 at 11:53:56AM -0600, Gord Busse wrote: > Just curious if Fedora might be having the same problems that Mandrake > 9.2 is having right now with LG based CD-RW drives: > > http://www.mandrakelinux.com/en/errata.php3#badlg I've not (touch wood) seen anything so far in bugzilla to suggest that Fedora has the same problem. Dave -- Dave Jones http://www.codemonkey.org.uk From elwoo at videotron.ca Fri Oct 24 18:30:03 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 14:30:03 -0400 Subject: Bluetooth mouse In-Reply-To: <1067012575.6838.5.camel@chello080109088167.16.15.vie.surfer.at> References: <1067012575.6838.5.camel@chello080109088167.16.15.vie.surfer.at> Message-ID: <200310241430.03880.elwoo@videotron.ca> On October 24, 2003 12:22 pm, Bernhard Harb , > wrote: > Is it possible to add the "Bluetooth HID driver" from > http://www.visi.com/~pmk/msbtkb-linux.html into final release of fedora > core? FWIW, Fedora Core Test3 is close to the final release. You can try to get it included, not by mentioning that *here* in the list, but by going to redhat bugzilla and entering a RFE. "If it's not in bugzzilla it's not a bug / RFE" (TM) ... to modify the standard phrase. Elton ;-) -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From bcs at metacon.ca Fri Oct 24 18:40:49 2003 From: bcs at metacon.ca (Ben Steeves) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 15:40:49 -0300 Subject: Fedora and LG CD-RW Drives In-Reply-To: <20031024182738.GA14521@redhat.com> References: <002301c39a57$cbddf860$4602a8c0@gordo> <20031024182738.GA14521@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1067020849.3480.40.camel@zephyr> On Fri, 2003-10-24 at 15:27, Dave Jones wrote: > On Fri, Oct 24, 2003 at 11:53:56AM -0600, Gord Busse wrote: > > Just curious if Fedora might be having the same problems that Mandrake > > 9.2 is having right now with LG based CD-RW drives: > > > > http://www.mandrakelinux.com/en/errata.php3#badlg > > I've not (touch wood) seen anything so far in bugzilla to suggest > that Fedora has the same problem. I have an LG CD-RW (GCE-8520B (HL-DT-ST)) which I've been using quite happily since FC 0.94. -- Ben Steeves _ bcs at metacon.ca The ASCII ribbon campaign ( ) ben.steeves at unb.ca against HTML e-mail X GPG ID: 0xB3EBF1D9 http://www.metacon.ca/ascii / \ Yahoo Messenger: ben_steeves From aoliva at redhat.com Fri Oct 24 18:41:02 2003 From: aoliva at redhat.com (Alexandre Oliva) Date: 24 Oct 2003 16:41:02 -0200 Subject: nameserver ip adress disappearing afer install? In-Reply-To: References: <3F99239F.1040706@epost.de> <3F995C06.6030103@epost.de> <3F996498.7010501@epost.de> Message-ID: On Oct 24, 2003, Chris Ricker wrote: > Some of Red Hat's white papers describing the product line give meanings to > the acronyms AS, ES, and WS. Darn. I guess I was just out of the loop on this one :-( Not surprising, since I work on embedded toolchains, not anywhere close to Red Hat Enterprise Linux. Apologies for the mis-information, and thanks for keeping me straight. I'm pretty sure it's 3, not 3.0, though :-) -- Alexandre Oliva Enjoy Guarana', see http://www.ic.unicamp.br/~oliva/ Red Hat GCC Developer aoliva@{redhat.com, gcc.gnu.org} CS PhD student at IC-Unicamp oliva@{lsd.ic.unicamp.br, gnu.org} Free Software Evangelist Professional serial bug killer From fedora at warmcat.com Thu Oct 23 20:08:53 2003 From: fedora at warmcat.com (Andy Green) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 21:08:53 +0100 Subject: Compiling NVIDIA driver for -ntpl kernel In-Reply-To: <200310231548.48427.hoyt@cavtel.net> References: <200310231548.48427.hoyt@cavtel.net> Message-ID: <200310232108.53823.fedora@warmcat.com> On Thursday 23 October 2003 20:48, HoytDuff wrote: > I understand CC=gcc32 > > What does CXX=g++32 do? Same deal but for things that want to use the C++ compiler, C++ is not a valid environment variable name. -Andy From kaboom at gatech.edu Fri Oct 24 18:46:02 2003 From: kaboom at gatech.edu (Chris Ricker) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 14:46:02 -0400 (EDT) Subject: nameserver ip adress disappearing afer install? In-Reply-To: References: <3F99239F.1040706@epost.de> <3F995C06.6030103@epost.de> <3F996498.7010501@epost.de> Message-ID: On Fri, 24 Oct 2003, Alexandre Oliva wrote: > On Oct 24, 2003, Chris Ricker wrote: > > > Some of Red Hat's white papers describing the product line give meanings to > > the acronyms AS, ES, and WS. > > Darn. I guess I was just out of the loop on this one :-( Not > surprising, since I work on embedded toolchains, not anywhere close to > Red Hat Enterprise Linux. Apologies for the mis-information, and > thanks for keeping me straight. I'm pretty sure it's 3, not 3.0, > though :-) Hey, I don't claim that the whitepapers are right, just that they do say that ;-) I actually think the acronym meanings are useful -- they help clarify what the different products are intended for, and there's certainly lots of confusion about that amongst the customer base later, chris From whb at ceimaine.org Fri Oct 24 18:47:33 2003 From: whb at ceimaine.org (Will Backman) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 14:47:33 -0400 Subject: up2date hang on dependency test Message-ID: <1067021242.2019.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> Upgrade from RedHat9 to Fedora Core, test 3. Downloaded latest up2date from rawhide, rpm -Fvh up2date*.rpm up2date -u --nosig sits there for a very very long time on testing package set/solving RPM inter-dependencies. (like an hour...) I get tired of waiting and ctl+c it. I even ran rpm --rebuilddb and tried again. Anyone else getting this? -- Will From farrisg at mala.bc.ca Fri Oct 24 18:48:13 2003 From: farrisg at mala.bc.ca (George Farris) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 11:48:13 -0700 Subject: supermount or equiv? In-Reply-To: <1066922017.3405.5.camel@LORDLINUX.global.shsystem.org> References: <01L268X9FVXU002DFX@rcum.uni-mb.si> <1066922017.3405.5.camel@LORDLINUX.global.shsystem.org> Message-ID: <1067021293.2307.27.camel@falcon.cc.mala.bc.ca> On Thu, 2003-10-23 at 08:13, Mark Guzzo wrote: > > > I don't think there is any simple way to unmount > > > and eject, is that not true? > > > > unmount : > > - wait for timeout or > > - manually umount > > > > eject : > > - push the eject button or > > - use the eject command > > > > both can be done from GUI, I guess ( I can't recall doing so lately though ) > > > > Well, > > I enjoyed the talk about magicdev and autofs so much that I Googled > autofs to find out just how to use it. I found some good info, if any > one wants it here it is... > > http://www.linuxhq.com/lg/issue24/nielsen.html > This site has a script that works like a charm! I'll be doing this on my > wife's Fedora computer :-) > I wouldn't suggest it. This doesn't work with GNOME for example. It probably only works for the command line. Linux floppy support for the type of hardware that we have is broken, it always has been. If the floppy didn't have an eject button on it and only worked under software control it would be fine. In the real world, however, we have to live with the piece of crap hardware that we have and Linux just plain doesn't deal with it. Why the kernel developers can't fix this is beyond me but.... -- George Farris farrisg at mala.bc.ca Malaspina University-College - Cowichan Campus From elwoo at videotron.ca Fri Oct 24 18:56:27 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 14:56:27 -0400 Subject: Compiling NVIDIA driver for -ntpl kernel In-Reply-To: <1066968142.21709.3.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> References: <1F336C4559FF244A90D52EFEABE98AD607CC6F@nimo.nhpro.kw> <200310231346.06531.elwoo@videotron.ca> <1066968142.21709.3.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> Message-ID: <200310241456.27930.elwoo@videotron.ca> On October 24, 2003 12:02 am, Christopher A. Williams , <"Christopher A. Williams" > wrote: > > OR " sh -add-{name of current kernel} etc..." I mean is "this-kernel" > > a placeholder for the current kernel, or should I type that command > > as shown? > > Just in case it hasn't been answered by someone else by now, the answer > is to type this command exactly: > > ./NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-4496-pkg2.run --add-this-kernel > > This is assuming you have that particular build of the NVidia driver. It > will create a custom install file called: > > NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-4496-pkg2-custom.run > > You can then install per regular NVidia instructions with that custom > file. Yours is the clearest explanation which I have received so far. I'll save this for future reference. Thanks. Elton ;-) -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From whiplash at planetfurry.com Fri Oct 24 18:58:11 2003 From: whiplash at planetfurry.com (Ricky Boone) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 14:58:11 -0400 (EDT) Subject: up2date hang on dependency test In-Reply-To: <1067021242.2019.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1067021242.2019.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <35402.12.145.64.13.1067021891.squirrel@us1.planetfurry.com> > Upgrade from RedHat9 to Fedora Core, test 3. > Downloaded latest up2date from rawhide, rpm -Fvh up2date*.rpm > up2date -u --nosig sits there for a very very long time on testing > package set/solving RPM inter-dependencies. (like an hour...) I get > tired of waiting and ctl+c it. > I even ran rpm --rebuilddb and tried again. > Anyone else getting this? I'm running mine through the gui and getting the same delay. Move the up2date window around and it looks to be frozen, and CPU usage by the program is at 100%. It eventually gets over it, and get's onto downloading the packages. How many packages are you trying to update? If it's as many as I think it is (I had a fresh Fedora Core Test 3 install and it took -forever- to download all the headers, test them, download and install the packages), then it's probably normal. An hour seems to be like a long time though... hmmm. From elwoo at videotron.ca Fri Oct 24 19:02:46 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 15:02:46 -0400 Subject: Games doesent work in Fedora test 3 In-Reply-To: <3F98F451.6050808@linuxin.dk> References: <3F95769F.3080502@linuxin.dk> <3F98F451.6050808@linuxin.dk> Message-ID: <200310241502.46438.elwoo@videotron.ca> On October 24, 2003 05:43 am, Bjorn Andersen , > wrote: > NO homeuser will ever touch Linux if they cant play! ... they can always use "Wintendo" (TM)! (...I just couldn't resist!) ROTFALMAO!! Elton Woo ;-) (...who has *aways* maintained that if someone wants to spend a thousand or so (dollars/ rouibles/ escudos, whatever) for a computer to play games, they'd be better advised to buy a Nintendo). -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From whb at ceimaine.org Fri Oct 24 19:03:17 2003 From: whb at ceimaine.org (Will Backman) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 15:03:17 -0400 Subject: up2date hang on dependency test In-Reply-To: <35402.12.145.64.13.1067021891.squirrel@us1.planetfurry.com> References: <1067021242.2019.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> <35402.12.145.64.13.1067021891.squirrel@us1.planetfurry.com> Message-ID: <1067022196.2019.19.camel@localhost.localdomain> This is an upgrade from the test 3 CDs, so there are a few. It is also taking up a lot of RAM. This is a 400Mhz machine. Not a speedy one, but it should be ok. On Fri, 2003-10-24 at 14:58, Ricky Boone wrote: > > Upgrade from RedHat9 to Fedora Core, test 3. > > Downloaded latest up2date from rawhide, rpm -Fvh up2date*.rpm > > up2date -u --nosig sits there for a very very long time on testing > > package set/solving RPM inter-dependencies. (like an hour...) I get > > tired of waiting and ctl+c it. > > I even ran rpm --rebuilddb and tried again. > > Anyone else getting this? > > I'm running mine through the gui and getting the same delay. Move the > up2date window around and it looks to be frozen, and CPU usage by the > program is at 100%. It eventually gets over it, and get's onto > downloading the packages. > > How many packages are you trying to update? If it's as many as I think it > is (I had a fresh Fedora Core Test 3 install and it took -forever- to > download all the headers, test them, download and install the packages), > then it's probably normal. An hour seems to be like a long time though... > hmmm. > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From davej at redhat.com Fri Oct 24 19:06:14 2003 From: davej at redhat.com (Dave Jones) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 20:06:14 +0100 Subject: up2date hang on dependency test In-Reply-To: <1067021242.2019.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1067021242.2019.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20031024190614.GB14521@redhat.com> On Fri, Oct 24, 2003 at 02:47:33PM -0400, Will Backman wrote: > Upgrade from RedHat9 to Fedora Core, test 3. > Downloaded latest up2date from rawhide, rpm -Fvh up2date*.rpm > up2date -u --nosig sits there for a very very long time on testing > package set/solving RPM inter-dependencies. (like an hour...) I get > tired of waiting and ctl+c it. > I even ran rpm --rebuilddb and tried again. > Anyone else getting this? Yes. I've been seeing it off and on for a few weeks. Did an FCt3 install earlier this afternoon. First thing I did after booting was up2date -fu, and its still sitting there doing its thing nearly two hours later. strace on the up2date process shows its up to all sorts of things, including stat() of .hdr files for s390/ppc/x86_64 and other archs that are irrelevant to this box (i386). Dave -- Dave Jones http://www.codemonkey.org.uk From MSchwartz at MedAnalytics.com Fri Oct 24 19:07:42 2003 From: MSchwartz at MedAnalytics.com (Marc Schwartz) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 14:07:42 -0500 Subject: Compiling NVIDIA driver for -ntpl kernel In-Reply-To: <200310241456.27930.elwoo@videotron.ca> References: <1F336C4559FF244A90D52EFEABE98AD607CC6F@nimo.nhpro.kw> <200310231346.06531.elwoo@videotron.ca> <1066968142.21709.3.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> <200310241456.27930.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <1067022462.4598.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, 2003-10-24 at 13:56, Elton Woo wrote: > On October 24, 2003 12:02 am, Christopher A. Williams , <"Christopher A. > Williams" > wrote: > > > > OR " sh -add-{name of current kernel} etc..." I mean is "this-kernel" > > > a placeholder for the current kernel, or should I type that command > > > as shown? > > > > Just in case it hasn't been answered by someone else by now, the answer > > is to type this command exactly: > > > > ./NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-4496-pkg2.run --add-this-kernel > > > > This is assuming you have that particular build of the NVidia driver. It > > will create a custom install file called: > > > > NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-4496-pkg2-custom.run > > > > You can then install per regular NVidia instructions with that custom > > file. > Yours is the clearest explanation which I have received so far. > I'll save this for future reference. Thanks. > > Elton ;-) Don't forget to remove the Mesa-LibGL rpm before doing that. Use: rpm -e --nodeps XFree86-Mesa-libGL You will need to do that before running both of the NVidia install processes and will need to repeat that when there are XFree86 and kernel updates. Also, I have found that removing the Mesa-libGL will cause some dependency issues when using up2date. So be aware that you may need to uninstall it again after some updates. HTH, Marc Schwartz From fedora at warmcat.com Fri Oct 24 19:13:09 2003 From: fedora at warmcat.com (Andy Green) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 20:13:09 +0100 Subject: up2date hang on dependency test In-Reply-To: <35402.12.145.64.13.1067021891.squirrel@us1.planetfurry.com> References: <1067021242.2019.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> <35402.12.145.64.13.1067021891.squirrel@us1.planetfurry.com> Message-ID: <200310242013.09351.fedora@warmcat.com> On Friday 24 October 2003 19:58, Ricky Boone wrote: > > Upgrade from RedHat9 to Fedora Core, test 3. > > Downloaded latest up2date from rawhide, rpm -Fvh up2date*.rpm > > up2date -u --nosig sits there for a very very long time on testing > > package set/solving RPM inter-dependencies. (like an hour...) I get > > tired of waiting and ctl+c it. > > I even ran rpm --rebuilddb and tried again. > > Anyone else getting this? > > I'm running mine through the gui and getting the same delay. Move the > up2date window around and it looks to be frozen, and CPU usage by the > program is at 100%. It eventually gets over it, and get's onto > downloading the packages. This is differnet from my behaviour: either you stalled at 0% CPU forever on testing/solving with no barchart visible, or you got some movement on the testing/solving barchart within a couple of seconds and you are going to be fine. If the app froze it required a kill -9 IIRC. -Andy From m.weerasinghe at ntlworld.com Fri Oct 24 19:17:05 2003 From: m.weerasinghe at ntlworld.com (Matheesha) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 20:17:05 +0100 Subject: laptop dhcp fails on severn In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1067023024.3449.36.camel@cpc3-hem12-3-0-cust199.lutn.cable.ntl.com> Sean, I've noticed the same problems on my laptop. My suspicions are on the cardbus NIC drivers (is it tulip ?). My dlink 680TXD was getting a lease on my home coyotelinux floppy NAT server. But it couldn't contact the NAT server nevermind the outside world! I was just trying to ping it and it wouldnt work. They are on the same subnet (obviously) and were connected through a cross over cable. I tried renewing the lease using dhclient with no joy. Didn't try doing a network restart and instead rebooted (Force of habit from windows. Bad habits die hard I guess). The laptop was then taken to work and used with the same results. I got a lease but couldn't do any network name resolutions. I swapped cards with a 3com 589 like you did and things were the same. Out of curiosity I checked redhat-config-network and the DNS tab was still showing my home ISP DNS server entries! I deleted these and I was then able to do name resolution. I am not sure if the DLink didn't work at work because it may have been still remembering the home ISP DNS servers.Incidentally the laptop had just been freshly installed with severn 0.95. I am not sure if there are any updates like the kernel updates which may be addressing these issues. I couldnt get the NIC working to update the kernel! I was too tired from working late the last few days to do more troubleshooting. Will do though if someone needs more information to troubleshoot this issue. Regards M@ From mjc at avtechpulse.com Fri Oct 24 19:19:47 2003 From: mjc at avtechpulse.com (Dr. Michael J. Chudobiak) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 15:19:47 -0400 Subject: up2date hang on dependency test Message-ID: <7A13F645CE428E44B77F7C20CEF9B3BB1CA36D@server1.domain.avtechpulse.com> Yes, the same thing is happening here too. - Mike > Upgrade from RedHat9 to Fedora Core, test 3. > Downloaded latest up2date from rawhide, rpm -Fvh up2date*.rpm > up2date -u --nosig sits there for a very very long time on testing > package set/solving RPM inter-dependencies. (like an hour...) I get > tired of waiting and ctl+c it. > I even ran rpm --rebuilddb and tried again. > Anyone else getting this? From whiplash at planetfurry.com Fri Oct 24 19:25:19 2003 From: whiplash at planetfurry.com (Ricky Boone) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 15:25:19 -0400 (EDT) Subject: up2date hang on dependency test In-Reply-To: <20031024190614.GB14521@redhat.com> References: <1067021242.2019.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20031024190614.GB14521@redhat.com> Message-ID: <37316.12.145.64.13.1067023519.squirrel@us1.planetfurry.com> > strace on the up2date process shows its up to all sorts of things, > including stat() of .hdr files for s390/ppc/x86_64 and other archs > that are irrelevant to this box (i386). I think you may be onto something. I'll check this on my box when I get home. If this is true, then up2date is running much longer than it should because it's having to sort through unneccessary headers. Has anyone opened a bug report on this? (haven't checked, not able to get in at the moment) From gglgardner at yahoo.com Fri Oct 24 19:29:33 2003 From: gglgardner at yahoo.com (Gary Gardner) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 12:29:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: up2date hang on dependency test In-Reply-To: <200310242013.09351.fedora@warmcat.com> Message-ID: <20031024192933.69554.qmail@web12408.mail.yahoo.com> --- Andy Green wrote: > On Friday 24 October 2003 19:58, Ricky Boone wrote: > > > Upgrade from RedHat9 to Fedora Core, test 3. > > > Downloaded latest up2date from rawhide, rpm -Fvh > up2date*.rpm > > > up2date -u --nosig sits there for a very very > long time on testing > > > package set/solving RPM inter-dependencies. > (like an hour...) I get > > > tired of waiting and ctl+c it. > > > I even ran rpm --rebuilddb and tried again. > > > Anyone else getting this? > > > > I'm running mine through the gui and getting the > same delay. Move the > > up2date window around and it looks to be frozen, > and CPU usage by the > > program is at 100%. It eventually gets over it, > and get's onto > > downloading the packages. > > This is differnet from my behaviour: either you > stalled at 0% CPU forever on > testing/solving with no barchart visible, or you got > some movement on the > testing/solving barchart within a couple of seconds > and you are going to be > fine. If the app froze it required a kill -9 IIRC. > Same here no movement of dep check bar. Just set there ' so I killed the app and restarted and just checked "up2date and up2date gnome" and those updated fine. then reran the gui again from the panel and updated the rest of the apps. Gary __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From ted at cypress.com Fri Oct 24 19:33:16 2003 From: ted at cypress.com (Thomas Dodd) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 14:33:16 -0500 Subject: lilo vs grub In-Reply-To: References: <3F931F56.4050400@bol.com.br> <20031020165549.GC12274@rednote.net> <1066708062.2070.5.camel@bettie.internal.frields.org> <200310210941.13704.tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie> Message-ID: <3F997E7C.6010604@cypress.com> Chris Ricker wrote: > grub has that feature, it's just poorly documented and complicated to use > > grub> savedefault --default=# --once > > makes # the default for the next boot only Ok Chris (or Jeremy). I have linux, Win98(for my son's games), and memtest86 entried in grub.con and lilo.conf With lilo, if I want to boot win98: # lilo -R win98; reboot To check memory: # lilo -R memtest;shutdown How do I do these with grub? From seandarcy at hotmail.com Fri Oct 24 19:36:50 2003 From: seandarcy at hotmail.com (sean darcy) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 15:36:50 -0400 Subject: ifup - Cannot get driver information: Operation not supported Message-ID: I'm running severn-95 ( a brand new install ) on a laptop with a Xircom IIps pcmcia card. ifup eth1 works but says: /sbin/ifup eth1 Cannot get driver information: Operation not supported This is all /var/log/messages shows: Oct 24 03:25:33 gateway kernel: eth1: media 10BaseT, silicon revision 1 Oct 24 03:25:35 gateway kernel: ip_tables: (C) 2000-2002 Netfilter core team Even though this works despite the message, I'm interested to see what causes it, because I've got another problem - and this may be part of it. sean _________________________________________________________________ Send instant messages to anyone on your contact list with MSN Messenger 6.0. Try it now FREE! http://msnmessenger-download.com From ted at cypress.com Fri Oct 24 19:37:43 2003 From: ted at cypress.com (Thomas Dodd) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 14:37:43 -0500 Subject: vote for Lilo In-Reply-To: <20031020225649.GA5770@nonesuch.ca.shawcable.net> References: <3F941599.6070803@bol.com.br> <20031020174519.GC3651@nonesuch.ca.shawcable.net> <3F942898.5070901@cypress.com> <20031020225649.GA5770@nonesuch.ca.shawcable.net> Message-ID: <3F997F87.4020900@cypress.com> Jack Bowling wrote: > On Mon, Oct 20, 2003 at 01:25:28PM -0500, Thomas Dodd wrote: >> >>Which is useless if you cannot boot with grub. The installer needs to >>install grub or you'll never beable to install contrib packages. ^^^^ should have said lilo there. > And what is stopping there being a contrib lilo package for Anaconda? Explain please. I boot CD1 from the FC images. How do I tell anaconda to install this package? Where do I put that package? -Thomas From jtlegbandt at earthlink.net Fri Oct 24 19:42:54 2003 From: jtlegbandt at earthlink.net (Joshua Legbandt) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 12:42:54 -0700 Subject: Beep on X11 login screen In-Reply-To: <1066998889.7222.55.camel@binkley> References: <01L27KOX7B360032CL@rcum.uni-mb.si> <1066998889.7222.55.camel@binkley> Message-ID: <1067024574.3690.0.camel@suburbia> On Fri, 2003-10-24 at 05:34, seth vidal wrote: > On Fri, 2003-10-24 at 08:24, DAVID BALAZIC wrote: > > I installed Fedora test 3 > > > > Each time the X11 login screen appears , I hear a console beep. > > That is one beep on bootup, and then one each time I logout and the > > login screen reappears. > > > > Older RHL versions did not behave like this ? > > > > Change ? Bug ? > > Does anyone else see this ? > > > > It is quite intentional - it is there so blind users can know when they > have a prompt awaiting login. > -sv > Any way to disable this feature? It is quite annoying when you are not blind and trying to boot up with a minimum amount of noise. -josh -- Joshua Legbandt From whb at ceimaine.org Fri Oct 24 19:43:23 2003 From: whb at ceimaine.org (Will Backman) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 15:43:23 -0400 Subject: up2date hang on dependency test In-Reply-To: <20031024190614.GB14521@redhat.com> References: <1067021242.2019.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20031024190614.GB14521@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1067024601.2019.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> FYI [whb at localhost whb]$ rpm -q up2date up2date-4.1.9-1 [whb at localhost whb]$ On Fri, 2003-10-24 at 15:06, Dave Jones wrote: > On Fri, Oct 24, 2003 at 02:47:33PM -0400, Will Backman wrote: > > Upgrade from RedHat9 to Fedora Core, test 3. > > Downloaded latest up2date from rawhide, rpm -Fvh up2date*.rpm > > up2date -u --nosig sits there for a very very long time on testing > > package set/solving RPM inter-dependencies. (like an hour...) I get > > tired of waiting and ctl+c it. > > I even ran rpm --rebuilddb and tried again. > > Anyone else getting this? > > Yes. I've been seeing it off and on for a few weeks. > Did an FCt3 install earlier this afternoon. > First thing I did after booting was up2date -fu, and its still > sitting there doing its thing nearly two hours later. > > strace on the up2date process shows its up to all sorts of things, > including stat() of .hdr files for s390/ppc/x86_64 and other archs > that are irrelevant to this box (i386). > > Dave From whb at ceimaine.org Fri Oct 24 19:46:53 2003 From: whb at ceimaine.org (Will Backman) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 15:46:53 -0400 Subject: up2date hang on dependency test In-Reply-To: <20031024190614.GB14521@redhat.com> References: <1067021242.2019.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20031024190614.GB14521@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1067024812.2019.25.camel@localhost.localdomain> Looking at /var/spool/up2date shows an incredible number of header files. Yikes! All kinds at archs. On Fri, 2003-10-24 at 15:06, Dave Jones wrote: > On Fri, Oct 24, 2003 at 02:47:33PM -0400, Will Backman wrote: > > Upgrade from RedHat9 to Fedora Core, test 3. > > Downloaded latest up2date from rawhide, rpm -Fvh up2date*.rpm > > up2date -u --nosig sits there for a very very long time on testing > > package set/solving RPM inter-dependencies. (like an hour...) I get > > tired of waiting and ctl+c it. > > I even ran rpm --rebuilddb and tried again. > > Anyone else getting this? > > Yes. I've been seeing it off and on for a few weeks. > Did an FCt3 install earlier this afternoon. > First thing I did after booting was up2date -fu, and its still > sitting there doing its thing nearly two hours later. > > strace on the up2date process shows its up to all sorts of things, > including stat() of .hdr files for s390/ppc/x86_64 and other archs > that are irrelevant to this box (i386). > > Dave From davej at redhat.com Fri Oct 24 19:49:37 2003 From: davej at redhat.com (Dave Jones) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 20:49:37 +0100 Subject: up2date hang on dependency test In-Reply-To: <1067024601.2019.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1067021242.2019.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20031024190614.GB14521@redhat.com> <1067024601.2019.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20031024194937.GC14521@redhat.com> On Fri, Oct 24, 2003 at 03:43:23PM -0400, Will Backman wrote: > FYI > > [whb at localhost whb]$ rpm -q up2date > up2date-4.1.9-1 Same here. I grabbed the latest from rawhide manually, and updated that by hand. Still no joy. Dave -- Dave Jones http://www.codemonkey.org.uk From elwoo at videotron.ca Fri Oct 24 19:54:13 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 15:54:13 -0400 Subject: Very strange Desktop Behaviour after Rawhide Update In-Reply-To: <20031024164350.1f1fb09f.kai.thomsen@gmx.de> References: <1067000426.5287.88.camel@ibmLaptop.athome.de> <20031024164350.1f1fb09f.kai.thomsen@gmx.de> Message-ID: <200310241554.13411.elwoo@videotron.ca> On October 24, 2003 10:43 am, Kai Thomsen , > wrote: > On Fri, 24 Oct 2003 15:00:26 +0200, Peter Boy wrote: > > 2. > > If I doubleclick on the "Start Here" or any other icon on the desktop > > all icons vanish and nothing happens. The right mouse button doesn't > > work (over the desktop), but I can move the mouse and start programs > > from the panel and use the right mouse button over the panel. > > If you use GNOME, it could be Nautilus crashing. It currently does this > for me, anyway, and I get a GNOME error dialog box which, when closed, > leads into a nasty "crash loop" (due to Nautilus respawning). *GOOD*!!! ... I thought I was the only one with nautilus constantly crashing. Perhaps you would kindly visit and add comments to this _very stubborn_ bug: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=107652 Elton ;-) -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From hoyt at cavtel.net Fri Oct 24 19:56:29 2003 From: hoyt at cavtel.net (HoytDuff) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 15:56:29 -0400 Subject: Fedora and LG CD-RW Drives In-Reply-To: <002301c39a57$cbddf860$4602a8c0@gordo> References: <002301c39a57$cbddf860$4602a8c0@gordo> Message-ID: <200310241556.29060.hoyt@cavtel.net> On Friday 24 October 2003 01:53 pm, Gord Busse wrote: > Just curious if Fedora might be having the same problems that Mandrake > 9.2 is having right now with LG based CD-RW drives: > > http://www.mandrakelinux.com/en/errata.php3#badlg > > Would like some clarification about this before I download and install > the Fedora Release (once it is out) as all of my CD-RW drives are LG. > I read the info at the link and am confused. It seems long on anecdotal evidence, short on any reasonable explanation. LG saying that they don't test on Linux and Mandrake saying don't use LG drives doesn't explain what is causing the problem. Assuming that it is a valid problem, how can any action be taken or any determination made about Fedora until some facts are known? More anecdotes aren't useful. -- Hoyt From netopml at newview.com Fri Oct 24 19:57:49 2003 From: netopml at newview.com (netopml at newview.com) Date: 24 Oct 2003 15:57:49 -0400 Subject: up2date hang on dependency test In-Reply-To: <20031024194937.GC14521@redhat.com> References: <1067021242.2019.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20031024190614.GB14521@redhat.com> <1067024601.2019.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20031024194937.GC14521@redhat.com> Message-ID: davej at redhat.com (Dave Jones) writes: > Same here. I grabbed the latest from rawhide manually, and updated > that by hand. Still no joy. It doesn't hang it just takes its time. BTW, check your /var/spool/up2date dir, my up2date client was downloading header files for all the known archs (ppc, s390, ...). It looks like it doesn't that when you start a new instance of up2date when there's another one running in the background (say you kill the gui but the python process doesn't really die and then, you start a second one). To solve this, I checked there was no up2date process running. I cleared the /var/spool/up2date directory (I had zillions of header files) and I restarted up2date. That did it. -- Mathieu Chouquet-Stringer E-Mail : mathieu at newview.com Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity. -- Hanlon's Razor -- From paul at frields.com Fri Oct 24 20:12:06 2003 From: paul at frields.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: 24 Oct 2003 16:12:06 -0400 Subject: Beep on X11 login screen In-Reply-To: <1067024574.3690.0.camel@suburbia> References: <01L27KOX7B360032CL@rcum.uni-mb.si> <1066998889.7222.55.camel@binkley> <1067024574.3690.0.camel@suburbia> Message-ID: <1067026326.5019.8.camel@london.east.gov> On Fri, 2003-10-24 at 15:42, Joshua Legbandt wrote: > > > Each time the X11 login screen appears , I hear a console beep. > > > That is one beep on bootup, and then one each time I logout and the > > > login screen reappears. > > > > > It is quite intentional - it is there so blind users can know when they > > have a prompt awaiting login. > Any way to disable this feature? It is quite annoying when you are not > blind and trying to boot up with a minimum amount of noise. Doesn't seem to be. You may want to file an RFE with GNOME upstream if it really bothers you; this is not a Red Hat-specific problem. (You might also want to put in a Bugzilla entry with a link to the GNOME BZ entry, I'm not sure what the proper etiquette is in this case.) -- Paul W. Frields From elwoo at videotron.ca Fri Oct 24 20:12:29 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 16:12:29 -0400 Subject: [FEDORA] Re: Realplayer In-Reply-To: <200310232145.42099@carola.nyarlathotep> References: <200310101422.h9AEMjH28730@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1065810738.1942.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> <200310232145.42099@carola.nyarlathotep> Message-ID: <200310241612.29399.elwoo@videotron.ca> On October 23, 2003 03:45 pm, AP , > wrote: > Le Vendredi 10 Octobre 2003 20:32, Daniel Wittenberg a ?crit : > > > I'm using RealOne Player (Realplayer9 for linux), > > > RealPlayer9-9.0.7.151-4.i386.rpm. > > > It is downloadable from HERE: http://cambuca.ldhs.cetuc.puc-rio.br/xine/ > > What's the URL? :) > > http://www.cs.trinity.edu/ftp/pub/RedHat9-Software-Additions/ Elton ;-) -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From alikins at redhat.com Fri Oct 24 20:30:07 2003 From: alikins at redhat.com (Adrian Likins) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 16:30:07 -0400 Subject: up2date hang on dependency test In-Reply-To: References: <1067021242.2019.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20031024190614.GB14521@redhat.com> <1067024601.2019.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20031024194937.GC14521@redhat.com> Message-ID: <20031024203007.GF12737@redhat.com> On Fri, Oct 24, 2003 at 03:57:49PM -0400, netopml at newview.com wrote: > davej at redhat.com (Dave Jones) writes: > > Same here. I grabbed the latest from rawhide manually, and updated > > that by hand. Still no joy. > > It doesn't hang it just takes its time. BTW, check your /var/spool/up2date > dir, my up2date client was downloading header files for all the known archs > (ppc, s390, ...). It looks like it doesn't that when you start a new > instance of up2date when there's another one running in the background (say > you kill the gui but the python process doesn't really die and then, you > start a second one). > > To solve this, I checked there was no up2date process running. I cleared > the /var/spool/up2date directory (I had zillions of header files) and I > restarted up2date. That did it. yeah, that should do it. old versions didnt truncate the extraneous arches. .9 should. (actually, .7 should as well, not sure if it ever landed in fedora though). And it looks like the time stamp on the header info hasnt changed in a while, so it wasnt updating the client side package lists. update to .9 or newer, and blow away /var/spool/up2date/rawhide* and it should be okay. Adrian From markkukolkka at kolumbus.fi Fri Oct 24 20:31:20 2003 From: markkukolkka at kolumbus.fi (Markku Kolkka) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 23:31:20 +0300 Subject: Fedora and LG CD-RW Drives In-Reply-To: <002301c39a57$cbddf860$4602a8c0@gordo> References: <002301c39a57$cbddf860$4602a8c0@gordo> Message-ID: <200310242331.20273.markkukolkka@kolumbus.fi> Gord Busse kirjoitti viestiss??n (l?hetysaika Perjantai 24. Lokakuuta 2003 20:53): > Just curious if Fedora might be having the same problems that > Mandrake 9.2 is having right now with LG based CD-RW drives: I have used my LG 4120B CD-RW/DVD drive with Red Hat Linux starting from release 7.3 and never had any problems. I burned FCtest3 CDs in FCtest2 and installed test3 with that drive. -- Markku Kolkka markku.kolkka at iki.fi From bcs at metacon.ca Fri Oct 24 20:35:21 2003 From: bcs at metacon.ca (Ben Steeves) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 17:35:21 -0300 Subject: Fedora and LG CD-RW Drives In-Reply-To: <200310241556.29060.hoyt@cavtel.net> References: <002301c39a57$cbddf860$4602a8c0@gordo> <200310241556.29060.hoyt@cavtel.net> Message-ID: <1067027721.16690.4.camel@ripley> On Fri, 2003-10-24 at 16:56, HoytDuff wrote: > I read the info at the link and am confused. It seems long on anecdotal > evidence, short on any reasonable explanation. LG saying that they don't test > on Linux and Mandrake saying don't use LG drives doesn't explain what is > causing the problem. Assuming that it is a valid problem, how can any action > be taken or any determination made about Fedora until some facts are known? > More anecdotes aren't useful. Interestingly enough, the box for my LG-RW claims compatibility with "Linux Slackware Ver 2.3 (read only)". Ben -- Ben Steeves _ bcs at metacon.ca The ASCII ribbon campaign ( ) ben.steeves at unb.ca against HTML e-mail X GPG ID: 0xB3EBF1D9 http://www.metacon.ca/ascii / \ Yahoo Messenger: ben_steeves From seandarcy at hotmail.com Fri Oct 24 20:48:20 2003 From: seandarcy at hotmail.com (sean darcy) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 16:48:20 -0400 Subject: laptop dhcp fails on severn Message-ID: Thanks for the reply. don't see how it could be the NIC drivers ( not tulip ), since the cards work fine with a static address on the lan. sean >From: Matheesha .................... >I've noticed the same problems on my laptop. My suspicions are on the >cardbus NIC drivers (is it tulip ?). My dlink 680TXD was getting a lease >on my home coyotelinux floppy NAT server. But it couldn't contact the >NAT server nevermind the outside world! I was just trying to ping it and >it wouldnt work. They are on the same subnet (obviously) and were >connected through a cross over cable. I tried renewing the lease using >dhclient with no joy. Didn't try doing a network restart and instead >rebooted (Force of habit from windows. Bad habits die hard I guess). > >The laptop was then taken to work and used with the same results. I got >a lease but couldn't do any network name resolutions. I swapped cards >with a 3com 589 like you did and things were the same. Out of curiosity >I checked redhat-config-network and the DNS tab was still showing my >home ISP DNS server entries! I deleted these and I was then able to do >name resolution. > >I am not sure if the DLink didn't work at work because it may have been >still remembering the home ISP DNS servers.Incidentally the laptop had >just been freshly installed with severn 0.95. I am not sure if there are >any updates like the kernel updates which may be addressing these >issues. I couldnt get the NIC working to update the kernel! > >I was too tired from working late the last few days to do more >troubleshooting. Will do though if someone needs more information to >troubleshoot this issue. > >Regards > >M@ > > >-- >fedora-test-list mailing list >fedora-test-list at redhat.com >http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list _________________________________________________________________ Add MSN 8 Internet Software to your current Internet access and enjoy patented spam control and more. Get two months FREE! http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/byoa From whb at ceimaine.org Fri Oct 24 20:53:01 2003 From: whb at ceimaine.org (Will Backman) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 16:53:01 -0400 Subject: up2date hang on dependency test In-Reply-To: <20031024203007.GF12737@redhat.com> References: <1067021242.2019.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20031024190614.GB14521@redhat.com> <1067024601.2019.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20031024194937.GC14521@redhat.com> <20031024203007.GF12737@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1067028780.2121.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> That did it for me, along with removing the xmms-mp3 which caused an unresolvable. NOTE - Console up2date always shows 0 k/s and 0 remaining during package download. Anyone else getting this? On Fri, 2003-10-24 at 16:30, Adrian Likins wrote: > On Fri, Oct 24, 2003 at 03:57:49PM -0400, netopml at newview.com wrote: > > davej at redhat.com (Dave Jones) writes: > > > Same here. I grabbed the latest from rawhide manually, and updated > > > that by hand. Still no joy. > > > > It doesn't hang it just takes its time. BTW, check your /var/spool/up2date > > dir, my up2date client was downloading header files for all the known archs > > (ppc, s390, ...). It looks like it doesn't that when you start a new > > instance of up2date when there's another one running in the background (say > > you kill the gui but the python process doesn't really die and then, you > > start a second one). > > > > To solve this, I checked there was no up2date process running. I cleared > > the /var/spool/up2date directory (I had zillions of header files) and I > > restarted up2date. That did it. > > yeah, that should do it. old versions didnt truncate > the extraneous arches. .9 should. (actually, .7 should as > well, not sure if it ever landed in fedora though). > And it looks like the time stamp on the header info > hasnt changed in a while, so it wasnt updating the > client side package lists. > > update to .9 or newer, and blow away > /var/spool/up2date/rawhide* and it should be > okay. > > Adrian > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From katzj at redhat.com Fri Oct 24 20:55:35 2003 From: katzj at redhat.com (Jeremy Katz) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 16:55:35 -0400 Subject: grubby (not grub) question In-Reply-To: <3F993F3B.8050402@fnal.gov> References: <3F993F3B.8050402@fnal.gov> Message-ID: <1067028935.3204.1.camel@mirkwood.devel.redhat.com> On Fri, 2003-10-24 at 11:03, Troy Dawson wrote: > I'm having a hard time finding the right maillist and/or web pages for grubby > (not grub). Can anyone point me to the right place? fedora-devel-list or bugzilla (or here) > When using grubby to add arguments to the kernel, for either lilo or grub, I > am only able to add one instance of an item. > My specific problem is that for a serial console, if you want to have the > output go through both the video and serial console, you need to add > > console=tty0 console=ttyS0,9600n8 > > (ok, so you need to modify the serial part for your specific instance but > that's not the question) > > grubby will only allow one instance of console= so I'm having some trouble > using grubby to do this. Hrmmm... grubby does this to change existing options without the thought of multiple allowed of the same option. If you file something in bugzilla, I'll look into making this behavior better. Cheers, Jeremy From whiplash at planetfurry.com Fri Oct 24 21:17:18 2003 From: whiplash at planetfurry.com (Ricky Boone) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 17:17:18 -0400 (EDT) Subject: up2date hang on dependency test In-Reply-To: <1067028780.2121.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1067021242.2019.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20031024190614.GB14521@redhat.com> <1067024601.2019.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20031024194937.GC14521@redhat.com> <20031024203007.GF12737@redhat.com> <1067028780.2121.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <43598.12.145.64.13.1067030238.squirrel@us1.planetfurry.com> > NOTE - Console up2date always shows 0 k/s and 0 remaining during package > download. Anyone else getting this? *nod* Yup. It also shows each package as being 0 kb. From razvan.vilt at linux360.ro Fri Oct 24 21:28:03 2003 From: razvan.vilt at linux360.ro (Razvan Corneliu C.R. "d3vi1" VILT) Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 00:28:03 +0300 Subject: Fedora and LG CD-RW Drives In-Reply-To: <002301c39a57$cbddf860$4602a8c0@gordo> References: <002301c39a57$cbddf860$4602a8c0@gordo> Message-ID: <1067030882.29056.17.camel@home-04019.b.astral.ro> > Would like some clarification about this before I download and install > the Fedora Release (once it is out) as all of my CD-RW drives are LG. I've seen a similar problem in Red-Hat Linux 7.1 beta. It the system always locked when using LG CD-ROM drives (LG-84x0b). The lock happened when the kernel was booting. Don't really remember the step where it happened, but when I changed the CD-Rom drive there were no more problems. Fortunately the drive had no problems after reboot. I can't even imagine why, the IDE-CD-ROM code is clean. It probably is a bug in the LG firmware, although the problem persisted when I've upgraded it to version 1.01 >From what they wrote on the Mandrake web-site I can imagine only that the firmware gets screwed-up somehow by Linux, and that's odd... They should also say which part of their distribution does that, because if it's the kernel, it's a serious problem. From redhat-jc at insight.rr.com Fri Oct 24 21:33:27 2003 From: redhat-jc at insight.rr.com (Jim Cornette) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 17:33:27 -0400 Subject: Radeon 9200 Attempt to free NULL pointer In-Reply-To: <3F9784B0.9010108@togami.com> References: <3F974F36.1040801@togami.com> <3F9784B0.9010108@togami.com> Message-ID: <3F999AA7.5070402@insight.rr.com> I noticed that you mentioned ctl-alt-backspace as a means of exiting the X server. I thought that this was suposed to be used only when X was misbehaving and could not be closed down any other way. Have there been graceful items added to exiting via ctl-alt-backspace or is it still a bad way to exit X? Jim >> It appears that Radeon DRM has a new bug in it somehow. >> > > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=107805 > Filed. > > Warren From mharris at redhat.com Fri Oct 24 21:41:53 2003 From: mharris at redhat.com (Mike A. Harris) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 17:41:53 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Radeon 9200 Attempt to free NULL pointer In-Reply-To: <3F999AA7.5070402@insight.rr.com> References: <3F974F36.1040801@togami.com> <3F9784B0.9010108@togami.com> <3F999AA7.5070402@insight.rr.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 24 Oct 2003, Jim Cornette wrote: >Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 17:33:27 -0400 >From: Jim Cornette >To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed >List-Id: For testers of Red Hat Linux beta releases > >Subject: Re: Radeon 9200 Attempt to free NULL pointer > > I noticed that you mentioned ctl-alt-backspace as a means of exiting >the X server. > >I thought that this was suposed to be used only when X was misbehaving >and could not be closed down any other way. > >Have there been graceful items added to exiting via ctl-alt-backspace or >is it still a bad way to exit X? You essentially kill all running apps. You may lose unsaved work, config files, data files of various applications if they don't shut down cleanly. It's rare that problems arise mind you, but not worth risking it if you can shut down cleanly. -- Mike A. Harris ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris OS Systems Engineer - XFree86 maintainer - Red Hat From smearp at mac.com Fri Oct 24 21:57:24 2003 From: smearp at mac.com (Sean Earp) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 14:57:24 -0700 Subject: ftp links in Evolution In-Reply-To: <1066953463.8379.5.camel@hal9000.lokales.netz> References: <1066953463.8379.5.camel@hal9000.lokales.netz> Message-ID: <1067032644.6598.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2003-10-23 at 16:57, Christoph Wickert wrote: > Hi! > > ftp links in Evolution don't work on my system. > try ftp://people.redhat.com/ > > Nothing found in Bugzilla. File a report? I'll second that... doesn't work for me either. (If it isn't in bugzilla, it doesn't exist) -Sean From whb at ceimaine.org Fri Oct 24 21:57:49 2003 From: whb at ceimaine.org (Will Backman) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 17:57:49 -0400 Subject: up2date hang on dependency test In-Reply-To: <43598.12.145.64.13.1067030238.squirrel@us1.planetfurry.com> References: <1067021242.2019.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20031024190614.GB14521@redhat.com> <1067024601.2019.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20031024194937.GC14521@redhat.com> <20031024203007.GF12737@redhat.com> <1067028780.2121.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <43598.12.145.64.13.1067030238.squirrel@us1.planetfurry.com> Message-ID: <1067032668.1997.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> Looks like it has already been filed as a bug. On Fri, 2003-10-24 at 17:17, Ricky Boone wrote: > > NOTE - Console up2date always shows 0 k/s and 0 remaining during package > > download. Anyone else getting this? > > *nod* Yup. It also shows each package as being 0 kb. > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From nosp at xades.com Fri Oct 24 22:36:22 2003 From: nosp at xades.com (nosp) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 23:36:22 +0100 Subject: ftp links in Evolution In-Reply-To: <1067032644.6598.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1066953463.8379.5.camel@hal9000.lokales.netz> <1067032644.6598.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1067034982.27539.1.camel@earth.xades.com> On Fri, 2003-10-24 at 22:57, Sean Earp wrote: > On Thu, 2003-10-23 at 16:57, Christoph Wickert wrote: > > ftp links in Evolution don't work on my system. > > try ftp://people.redhat.com/ > > > > Nothing found in Bugzilla. File a report? > > I'll second that... doesn't work for me either. (If it isn't in > bugzilla, it doesn't exist) How about http:// links? Don't work for me. From redhat-jc at insight.rr.com Fri Oct 24 22:38:48 2003 From: redhat-jc at insight.rr.com (Jim Cornette) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 18:38:48 -0400 Subject: Radeon 9200 Attempt to free NULL pointer In-Reply-To: References: <3F974F36.1040801@togami.com> <3F9784B0.9010108@togami.com> <3F999AA7.5070402@insight.rr.com> Message-ID: <3F99A9F8.6010408@insight.rr.com> Mike A. Harris wrote: > On Fri, 24 Oct 2003, Jim Cornette wrote: > > >>Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 17:33:27 -0400 >>From: Jim Cornette >>To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com >>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed >>List-Id: For testers of Red Hat Linux beta releases >> >>Subject: Re: Radeon 9200 Attempt to free NULL pointer >> >> I noticed that you mentioned ctl-alt-backspace as a means of exiting >>the X server. >> >>I thought that this was suposed to be used only when X was misbehaving >>and could not be closed down any other way. >> >>Have there been graceful items added to exiting via ctl-alt-backspace or >>is it still a bad way to exit X? > > > You essentially kill all running apps. You may lose unsaved > work, config files, data files of various applications if they > don't shut down cleanly. It's rare that problems arise mind you, > but not worth risking it if you can shut down cleanly. > > Thanks! I'll keep logging out with the logout button then. The bug report mentioned logging out with ctl-alt-backspace and I thought that it immediately killed X. No grace on exit. Jim From felipe_alfaro at linuxmail.org Fri Oct 24 22:45:40 2003 From: felipe_alfaro at linuxmail.org (Felipe Alfaro Solana) Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 00:45:40 +0200 Subject: up2date hang on dependency test In-Reply-To: <20031024190614.GB14521@redhat.com> References: <1067021242.2019.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20031024190614.GB14521@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1067035539.891.0.camel@teapot.felipe-alfaro.com> On Fri, 2003-10-24 at 21:06, Dave Jones wrote: > On Fri, Oct 24, 2003 at 02:47:33PM -0400, Will Backman wrote: > > Upgrade from RedHat9 to Fedora Core, test 3. > > Downloaded latest up2date from rawhide, rpm -Fvh up2date*.rpm > > up2date -u --nosig sits there for a very very long time on testing > > package set/solving RPM inter-dependencies. (like an hour...) I get > > tired of waiting and ctl+c it. > > I even ran rpm --rebuilddb and tried again. > > Anyone else getting this? > > Yes. I've been seeing it off and on for a few weeks. > Did an FCt3 install earlier this afternoon. > First thing I did after booting was up2date -fu, and its still > sitting there doing its thing nearly two hours later. > > strace on the up2date process shows its up to all sorts of things, > including stat() of .hdr files for s390/ppc/x86_64 and other archs > that are irrelevant to this box (i386). I solved this problems by cleaning /var/cache/up2date and manually upgrading to the latest up2date from Rawhide at ftp://ftp.redhat.com. From pboy at barkhof.uni-bremen.de Fri Oct 24 22:52:22 2003 From: pboy at barkhof.uni-bremen.de (Peter Boy) Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 00:52:22 +0200 Subject: up2date hang on dependency test In-Reply-To: <1067021242.2019.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1067021242.2019.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1067035942.5287.101.camel@ibmLaptop.athome.de> Am Fr, den 24.10.2003 schrieb Will Backman um 20:47: > Upgrade from RedHat9 to Fedora Core, test 3. > Downloaded latest up2date from rawhide, rpm -Fvh up2date*.rpm > up2date -u --nosig sits there for a very very long time on testing > package set/solving RPM inter-dependencies. (like an hour...) I get > tired of waiting and ctl+c it. You might check Bug 107921. It is one part of the phenomenon. The other part may be an issue with the header files. Peter From glass-art at comcast.net Fri Oct 24 22:53:17 2003 From: glass-art at comcast.net (Clifford Snow) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 15:53:17 -0700 Subject: ftp links in Evolution In-Reply-To: <1067034982.27539.1.camel@earth.xades.com> References: <1066953463.8379.5.camel@hal9000.lokales.netz> <1067032644.6598.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1067034982.27539.1.camel@earth.xades.com> Message-ID: <1067035997.4975.8.camel@blue.comcast.net> On Fri, 2003-10-24 at 15:36, nosp wrote: > > How about http:// links? Don't work for me. Check your setting in in Preferences -> Preferred Applications. Make sure your browser is selected in the Web Browser tab. Unfortunately there is not setting for an ftp client. -- Clifford Snow glass-art at comcast.net -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Its just horrible UI work, fortunately its easy to hack out of the sources From alan at redhat.com Fri Oct 24 23:13:31 2003 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 19:13:31 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Beep on X11 login screen In-Reply-To: <1066998889.7222.55.camel@binkley> from "seth vidal" at Hyd 24, 2003 08:34:49 Message-ID: <200310242313.h9ONDVY06620@devserv.devel.redhat.com> > It is quite intentional - it is there so blind users can know when they > have a prompt awaiting login. That strikes me as fundamentally useless since the volume setting for the sound card is 'however the last user left it' and we don't have enough information to know the difference between 'owwww my ears' and 'pin drop' or even which channel its mixed through if any. Alan From nosp at xades.com Fri Oct 24 23:15:34 2003 From: nosp at xades.com (nosp) Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 00:15:34 +0100 Subject: ftp links in Evolution In-Reply-To: <1067035997.4975.8.camel@blue.comcast.net> References: <1066953463.8379.5.camel@hal9000.lokales.netz> <1067032644.6598.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1067034982.27539.1.camel@earth.xades.com> <1067035997.4975.8.camel@blue.comcast.net> Message-ID: <1067037334.27539.5.camel@earth.xades.com> On Fri, 2003-10-24 at 23:53, Clifford Snow wrote: > On Fri, 2003-10-24 at 15:36, nosp wrote: > > > > How about http:// links? Don't work for me. > > Check your setting in in Preferences -> Preferred Applications. Make > sure your browser is selected in the Web Browser tab. Unfortunately > there is not setting for an ftp client. Thanks -- PBCAK. Must have got disabled in an upgrade cause it was fine in FC1T1. From alan at redhat.com Fri Oct 24 23:34:47 2003 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 19:34:47 -0400 (EDT) Subject: gnome-panel (does havoc read this list? ;-) In-Reply-To: <20031024004759.13966.qmail@web10008.mail.yahoo.com> from "Ryan G." at Hyd 23, 2003 05:47:59 Message-ID: <200310242334.h9ONYlO15383@devserv.devel.redhat.com> > Maybe I'm spoiled by osx's dock. Even so these panel bugs seem to be > getting NO attention on the list. Are they all in bugzilla and have you put them into gnoem bugzilla at all ? From paul at frields.com Fri Oct 24 23:55:48 2003 From: paul at frields.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 19:55:48 -0400 Subject: Beep on X11 login screen In-Reply-To: <200310242311.h9ONBio05802@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <200310242311.h9ONBio05802@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1067039748.2445.1.camel@bettie.internal.frields.org> On Fri, 2003-10-24 at 19:11, Alan Cox wrote: > > > Can it be turned off ? > > > I guess it can, but I am not at my fedora system right now, so I can't check... > > > > to my knowledge, no, it cannot be disabled. And why does it matter? It's > > a single beep. > > Its annoying. A beep should be an alert for something important. Its just > horrible UI work, fortunately its easy to hack out of the sources I have to agree with the a11y guys here insofar as it's needed "out of the box," but certainly there should have been concomitant support to turn it off! -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE From a.t.meinen at chello.nl Sat Oct 25 00:15:07 2003 From: a.t.meinen at chello.nl (Tino Meinen) Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 02:15:07 +0200 Subject: networking not possible (with DHCP or manual set up) Message-ID: <1067040907.2640.9.camel@node10a62.a2000.nl> I hope someone can give me a hint on this. After a FCtest3 installation on my workstation I found that I didn't have a network connection. I have a 3Com card (3c900B requiring the 3c59x module) I tried to set my network up with redhat-config-network, to no avail. I found out that resolv.conf is empty. See bug https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=107241 Copying resolv.conf from my working RedHat 9 installation didn't work. Manually entering my IP adres and Mask in redhat-config-network made it possible to activate my ethernet-card (/sbin/ifconfig showed the correct parameters for eth0) But I was still unable to ping my nameservers: Network unreachable. I have never had network trouble with any previous Red Hat installation, or any other linux distribution. It always worked automatically. So I'm not really experienced in debugging this. Does anybody have an idea what I could try to pinpoint the problem? Thanks in advance. Tino Meinen From ed at eh3.com Sat Oct 25 00:39:02 2003 From: ed at eh3.com (Ed Hill) Date: 24 Oct 2003 20:39:02 -0400 Subject: networking not possible (with DHCP or manual set up) In-Reply-To: <1067040907.2640.9.camel@node10a62.a2000.nl> References: <1067040907.2640.9.camel@node10a62.a2000.nl> Message-ID: <1067042342.1868.163.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, 2003-10-24 at 20:15, Tino Meinen wrote: > I hope someone can give me a hint on this. > > After a FCtest3 installation on my workstation I found that I didn't > have a network connection. > I have a 3Com card (3c900B requiring the 3c59x module) > I tried to set my network up with redhat-config-network, to no avail. Hi Tino, Please see the bug report at: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=107389 and feel free to add your comments to it. Theres something the matter with either the 3c59x.o kernel driver and/or with the Kudzu device detection. You might want to try turning off Kudzu and/or upgrading to the latest Fedora Core kernel ("2105"). Ed -- Edward H. Hill III, PhD office: MIT Dept. of EAPS; Room 54-1424; 77 Massachusetts Ave. Cambridge, MA 02139-4307 email: eh3 at mit.edu, ed at eh3.com URL: http://web.mit.edu/eh3/ phone: 617-253-0098 fax: 617-253-4464 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From griffinslists at comcast.net Sat Oct 25 00:40:36 2003 From: griffinslists at comcast.net (Kalle K.) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 19:40:36 -0500 Subject: Beep on X11 login screen In-Reply-To: <200310242311.h9ONBio05802@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <200310242311.h9ONBio05802@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <3F99C684.6080102@comcast.net> Alan Cox wrote: >>>Can it be turned off ? >>>I guess it can, but I am not at my fedora system right now, so I can't check... >>> >>> >>to my knowledge, no, it cannot be disabled. And why does it matter? It's >>a single beep. >> >> > >Its annoying. A beep should be an alert for something important. Its just >horrible UI work, fortunately its easy to hack out of the sources > > >-- >fedora-test-list mailing list >fedora-test-list at redhat.com >http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > > So annoying that, in fact, I've gone ahead and disconnected my PC speaker. Easy solution, I guess... From dennis at ausil.us Sat Oct 25 00:55:01 2003 From: dennis at ausil.us (Dennis Gilmore) Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 10:55:01 +1000 Subject: [FEDORA] Re: Realplayer In-Reply-To: <200310241612.29399.elwoo@videotron.ca> References: <200310101422.h9AEMjH28730@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <200310232145.42099@carola.nyarlathotep> <200310241612.29399.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <200310251055.07836.dennis@ausil.us> Once upon a time at band camp Sat, 25 Oct 2003 6:12 am, Elton Woo wrote: > On October 23, 2003 03:45 pm, AP , > wrote: > > Le Vendredi 10 Octobre 2003 20:32, Daniel Wittenberg a ?crit : > > > > I'm using RealOne Player (Realplayer9 for linux), > > > > RealPlayer9-9.0.7.151-4.i386.rpm. > > > > It is downloadable from HERE: > > http://cambuca.ldhs.cetuc.puc-rio.br/xine/ > > > > What's the URL? :) > > > > http://www.cs.trinity.edu/ftp/pub/RedHat9-Software-Additions/ > > Elton ;-) the community released Helix player is now available at www.helixplayer.org you do need to register. but it is a version you can get the source code for and work on if you want. It also includes a plugin for Mozilla but they havent set the mime types quite right. one of them make it think rpm packages are intended to be run through helixplayer. Dennis -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: signature URL: From redhat-jc at insight.rr.com Sat Oct 25 01:46:00 2003 From: redhat-jc at insight.rr.com (Jim Cornette) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 21:46:00 -0400 Subject: Beep on X11 login screen In-Reply-To: <1067026326.5019.8.camel@london.east.gov> References: <01L27KOX7B360032CL@rcum.uni-mb.si> <1066998889.7222.55.camel@binkley> <1067024574.3690.0.camel@suburbia> <1067026326.5019.8.camel@london.east.gov> Message-ID: <3F99D5D8.7090400@insight.rr.com> The beep is not a problem for me. I liked the PCMCIA loading succeeded beeps and don't mind having additional indicators that certain functions have completed. The hiding of process information and the distraction that a simple beep indication causes is sort of interesting from a psychological observation. One visual improvement that I noticed was a break from the smurf blue ICON themes from the RHL9 beta days. I like the ICONs that each program picked for their representation. For the sightless, their might be some differential audio feedback representative for each application, once the ICON is hovered over. To reduce the distraction for those that might find this feature distracting. This might be handled by selecting an accessibility selection on install. As a sighted person, I like to have launcher ICONs on my screens lower and upper edges for programs that I like to use. Adding something like that, with a consistent location for the mouse pointer would be an aid for navigation for the sightless and for the sighted as well. Just my thoughts regarding making Linux more of a paved road, instead of a frontier, for all users. Jim -- Fourth Law of Revision: It is usually impractical to worry beforehand about interferences -- if you have none, someone will make one for you. From elwoo at videotron.ca Sat Oct 25 01:50:46 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 21:50:46 -0400 Subject: Beep on X11 login screen In-Reply-To: <3F99D5D8.7090400@insight.rr.com> References: <01L27KOX7B360032CL@rcum.uni-mb.si> <1067026326.5019.8.camel@london.east.gov> <3F99D5D8.7090400@insight.rr.com> Message-ID: <200310242150.46459.elwoo@videotron.ca> On October 24, 2003 09:46 pm, Jim Cornette , > wrote: > As a sighted person, I like to have launcher ICONs on my screens lower > and upper edges for programs that I like to use. Adding something like > that, with a consistent location for the mouse pointer would be an aid > for navigation for the sightless and for the sighted as well. ... some good ideas, which should not be lost here on the list, IMHO. Why not enter this as an RFE in bugzilla. Even if this doesn't make it to the upcoming GA code, it could be in the next version of Fedora! Elton ;-) -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From elwoo at videotron.ca Sat Oct 25 01:53:23 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 21:53:23 -0400 Subject: [FEDORA] Re: Realplayer In-Reply-To: <200310251055.07836.dennis@ausil.us> References: <200310101422.h9AEMjH28730@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <200310241612.29399.elwoo@videotron.ca> <200310251055.07836.dennis@ausil.us> Message-ID: <200310242153.23949.elwoo@videotron.ca> On October 24, 2003 08:55 pm, Dennis Gilmore , > wrote: > > > > > RealPlayer9-9.0.7.151-4.i386.rpm. > > > > > It is downloadable from HERE: > > > > http://cambuca.ldhs.cetuc.puc-rio.br/xine/ > > > > > > What's the URL? :) > > > > > > http://www.cs.trinity.edu/ftp/pub/RedHat9-Software-Additions/ > > > > Elton ;-) > > the community released Helix player is now available at www.helixplayer.org > you do need to register. but it is a version you can get the source > code for and work on if you want. It also includes a plugin for Mozilla > but they havent set the mime types quite right. one of them make it think > rpm packages are intended to be run through helixplayer. > Actually gxine handles realaudio / realvideo stuff, too, and *it* also has a habit of trying to load rpm files. In that case, I have to RMB and do "save as" to download the file. I'll look into Helix anyway. The name is familiar, and I probably read a bit of it in my wanderings on the 'net. Elton ;-) -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From mhouston at gci.net Sat Oct 25 02:02:32 2003 From: mhouston at gci.net (Shawn Houston) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 18:02:32 -0800 Subject: laptop dhcp fails on severn In-Reply-To: <1067023024.3449.36.camel@cpc3-hem12-3-0-cust199.lutn.cable.ntl.com> References: <1067023024.3449.36.camel@cpc3-hem12-3-0-cust199.lutn.cable.ntl.com> Message-ID: <1067047352.2680.7.camel@mutt.home.pc> Finally today, using iwconfig, I determined my problem, which very much resembled this thread. My linksys WPC11 card was grabbing the strongest signal, not the network I specified in redhat-config-network. My first solution, it being a laptop, was to walk out of range of the unwanted AP. My next solution, so far untested, will be to try and set the ESSID using iwconfig, as the setting in the network device control panel does not do anything useful. I haven't yet determined if this is a limitation of the driver, or an implementation problem with redhat-config-network. More info next week .(I do not have an AP at home, only at work) >From this thread I think there may be issues with redhat-config-network, and some of the underlying scripts, with respect to wireless and pcmcia. -Shawn On Fri, 2003-10-24 at 11:17, Matheesha wrote: > Sean, > > I've noticed the same problems on my laptop. My suspicions are on the > cardbus NIC drivers (is it tulip ?). My dlink 680TXD was getting a lease > on my home coyotelinux floppy NAT server. But it couldn't contact the > NAT server nevermind the outside world! I was just trying to ping it and > it wouldnt work. They are on the same subnet (obviously) and were > connected through a cross over cable. I tried renewing the lease using > dhclient with no joy. Didn't try doing a network restart and instead > rebooted (Force of habit from windows. Bad habits die hard I guess). > > The laptop was then taken to work and used with the same results. I got > a lease but couldn't do any network name resolutions. I swapped cards > with a 3com 589 like you did and things were the same. Out of curiosity > I checked redhat-config-network and the DNS tab was still showing my > home ISP DNS server entries! I deleted these and I was then able to do > name resolution. > > I am not sure if the DLink didn't work at work because it may have been > still remembering the home ISP DNS servers.Incidentally the laptop had > just been freshly installed with severn 0.95. I am not sure if there are > any updates like the kernel updates which may be addressing these > issues. I couldnt get the NIC working to update the kernel! > > I was too tired from working late the last few days to do more > troubleshooting. Will do though if someone needs more information to > troubleshoot this issue. > > Regards > > M@ > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list -- Shawn Houston mhouston at gci.net From seandarcy at hotmail.com Sat Oct 25 02:11:43 2003 From: seandarcy at hotmail.com (sean darcy) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 22:11:43 -0400 Subject: PCMCIA only works if cancelled? Message-ID: After a number of succesful boots, it froze at pcmcia. Went to interactive startup. Once up, I tried ./pcmcia start. It froze again. Here's the wierd part: I used ^C and it completed successfully. I had tail -f /var/log/messages open in aother window. As soon as I hit ^C the rest of the messages appeared. Oct 24 16:31:35 gateway kernel: Linux Kernel Card Services 3.1.22 Oct 24 16:31:35 gateway kernel: options: [pci] [cardbus] [pm] Oct 24 16:31:36 gateway kernel: PCI: Enabling device 00:0a.0 (0000 -> 0002) Oct 24 16:31:36 gateway kernel: PCI: Enabling device 00:0a.1 (0000 -> 0002) Oct 24 16:31:36 gateway kernel: Yenta IRQ list 0c98, PCI irq9 Oct 24 16:31:36 gateway kernel: Socket status: 30000010 Oct 24 16:31:36 gateway kernel: Yenta IRQ list 0c98, PCI irq9 Oct 24 16:31:36 gateway kernel: Socket status: 30000010 ******** this is where it hung ************** Oct 24 16:32:33 gateway cardmgr[6903]: starting, version is 3.1.31 Oct 24 16:32:33 gateway cardmgr[6903]: watching 2 sockets Oct 24 16:32:33 gateway cardmgr[6903]: Card Services release does not match Oct 24 16:32:33 gateway kernel: cs: IO port probe 0x0c00-0x0cff: clean. Oct 24 16:32:33 gateway kernel: cs: IO port probe 0x0100-0x04ff: excluding 0x170-0x177 0x200-0x207 0x240-0x24f 0x330-0x337 0x370-0x37f 0x388-0x38f 0x398-0x39f 0x4d0-0x4d7 Oct 24 16:32:33 gateway kernel: cs: IO port probe 0x0a00-0x0aff: clean. Oct 24 16:32:33 gateway kernel: cs: memory probe 0xa0000000-0xa0ffffff: clean. Oct 24 16:32:33 gateway cardmgr[6903]: socket 0: 3Com 589 Ethernet Oct 24 16:32:33 gateway cardmgr[6903]: executing: 'modprobe 3c589_cs' Oct 24 16:32:33 gateway kernel: eth0: 3Com 3c589, io 0x300, irq 3, hw_addr 00:60:97:8F:5D:D1 Oct 24 16:32:33 gateway kernel: 8K FIFO split 5:3 Rx:Tx, auto xcvr Oct 24 16:32:33 gateway cardmgr[6903]: executing: './network start eth0' Oct 24 16:32:34 gateway cardmgr[6903]: socket 1: Xircom IIps Ethernet Oct 24 16:32:34 gateway cardmgr[6903]: executing: 'modprobe xirc2ps_cs' Oct 24 16:32:34 gateway kernel: xirc2ps_cs.c 1.31 1998/12/09 19:32:55 (dd9jn+kvh) Oct 24 16:32:34 gateway kernel: eth1: Xircom: port 0x310, irq 10, hwaddr 00:80:C7:37:6C:9E Oct 24 16:32:34 gateway cardmgr[6903]: executing: './network start eth1' _________________________________________________________________ Want to check if your PC is virus-infected? Get a FREE computer virus scan online from McAfee. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From barryn at pobox.com Sat Oct 25 04:05:26 2003 From: barryn at pobox.com (Barry K. Nathan) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 21:05:26 -0700 Subject: Fedora and LG CD-RW Drives In-Reply-To: <1067030882.29056.17.camel@home-04019.b.astral.ro> References: <002301c39a57$cbddf860$4602a8c0@gordo> <1067030882.29056.17.camel@home-04019.b.astral.ro> Message-ID: <20031025040526.GI10427@ip68-4-255-84.oc.oc.cox.net> On Sat, Oct 25, 2003 at 12:28:03AM +0300, Razvan Corneliu C.R. d3vi1 VILT wrote: > From what they wrote on the Mandrake web-site I can imagine only that > the firmware gets screwed-up somehow by Linux, and that's odd... They > should also say which part of their distribution does that, because if > it's the kernel, it's a serious problem. Some more detail here: http://archives.mandrakelinux.com/cooker/2003-10/msg02437.php It seems that the drives are being killed by a packet writing patch that was introduced into the Mandrake kernel on August 15th. (One of my systems has an LG drive and is running Mandrake 9.2, but I don't know if it's vulnerable to this problem since it runs arjanv's 2.6.0-test kernels rather than the Mandrake kernels.) -Barry K. Nathan From a.t.meinen at chello.nl Sat Oct 25 04:25:44 2003 From: a.t.meinen at chello.nl (Tino Meinen) Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 06:25:44 +0200 Subject: networking not possible (with DHCP or manual set up) In-Reply-To: <1067042342.1868.163.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1067040907.2640.9.camel@node10a62.a2000.nl> <1067042342.1868.163.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1067055944.2612.2.camel@node10a62.a2000.nl> Bingo! The information in the bugreport gave the way to pinpoint the trouble. For me, disabling kudzu was the answer. (i'm still using the old kernel, and still use the graphical bootup). Many thanks!, (I'll add my comments to the bug shortly) Tino Op za 25-10-2003, om 02:39 schreef Ed Hill: > On Fri, 2003-10-24 at 20:15, Tino Meinen wrote: > > I hope someone can give me a hint on this. > > > > After a FCtest3 installation on my workstation I found that I didn't > > have a network connection. > > I have a 3Com card (3c900B requiring the 3c59x module) > > I tried to set my network up with redhat-config-network, to no avail. > > > Hi Tino, > > Please see the bug report at: > > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=107389 > > and feel free to add your comments to it. > > Theres something the matter with either the 3c59x.o kernel driver and/or > with the Kudzu device detection. You might want to try turning off > Kudzu and/or upgrading to the latest Fedora Core kernel ("2105"). > > Ed From cochranb at speakeasy.net Sat Oct 25 04:36:27 2003 From: cochranb at speakeasy.net (Robert L Cochran) Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 00:36:27 -0400 Subject: laptop dhcp fails on severn In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3F99FDCB.6050801@speakeasy.net> First...are you sure the correct drivers are loading (use lsmod to check.) Be sure to rule out networking problems. Have you checked your routing table (use 'netstat -nr')? Can the card see the default gateway that the dhcp server is offering? Clearly, with 2 different cards on 2 different networks, you are going to have a complex routing table. I wonder if your problem might also be affected by the order in which the runlevel startup scripts in /etc/rc.d/* execute. You probably want to bring up pcmcia, then the card needing dhcp (eth0?), then the second network card (eth1?), then the network configuration script at boot time. If the order that the scripts execute has changed between major releases, as they have here, then you could be affected. I'd carefully check to see which scripts are executing and whether the order and timing of them is what you need. Bob sean darcy wrote: > I'm running a laptop with 2 pcmcia network cards on severn. One card ( > A ) is connected to a cable modem - optimum online - the other ( B ) to > the lan. ool uses dhcp, so A is set to uses dhcp. All worked great, > until severn. > > dhcp no longer works. I've switched the cards. Both work on the lan > with static ip addresses. I've flushed iptables. I even brought in > another laptop. Same result. But...if I connect ool directly to a severn > workstation, it works fine. So it's only laptops. > > Something's screwed up. Don't think it's dhclient or dhcpd - tried > both. Here's a snippet from ethereal of traffic over the card. It's > sending out discovers and getting back offers. But it doesn't seem to > see them. Is dhclient responsible for seeing them? Since the workstation > had the same dhclient rpm, I assume it's a network script problem > related to pcmcia. > > Does anyone have a pcmcia network card that works with dhcp under severn? > > I sure don't. > > thanks for any help > > No. Time Source Destination Protocol Info > 1 0.000000 Cisco_e3:81:56 Broadcast ARP Who > has 24.44.12.158? Tell 24.44.8.1 > 2 0.128525 Cisco_e3:81:56 Broadcast ARP Who > has 24.44.10.242? Tell 24.44.8.1 > 3 0.207890 Cisco_e3:81:56 Broadcast ARP Who > has 67.86.253.152? Tell 67.86.240.1 > ................. > > 43 5.515039 10.122.208.1 255.255.255.255 DHCP > DHCP Offer - Transaction ID 0x1800 > 44 5.684118 10.122.208.1 255.255.255.255 DHCP > DHCP ACK - Transaction ID 0x1800 > > .............. > > 97 12.765007 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.255 DHCP > DHCP Discover - Transaction ID 0x76db9156 > > ............ > > 120 15.956841 10.122.208.1 255.255.255.255 DHCP > DHCP Offer - Transaction ID 0xfffffba0 > 121 16.049819 10.122.208.1 255.255.255.255 DHCP > DHCP ACK - Transaction ID 0xfffffba0 > > ............. > > 198 27.228633 10.122.208.1 255.255.255.255 DHCP > DHCP Offer - Transaction ID 0xffffc490 > 199 27.318397 10.122.208.1 255.255.255.255 DHCP > DHCP ACK - Transaction ID 0xffffc490 > 200 27.418549 Cisco_e3:81:56 Broadcast ARP > DHCP Discover - Transaction ID 0x76db9156 > ........................... > > 202 27.698475 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.255 DHCP > DHCP Discover - Transaction ID 0x76db9156 > .......................... > > 291 40.699363 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.255 DHCP > DHCP Discover - Transaction ID 0x76db9156 > > ........................ > > 405 56.120297 Xircom_37:6c:9e Broadcast ARP Who > has 67.86.240.1? Tell 67.86.243.131 > > ............................... > > 416 57.119705 67.86.243.131 67.86.240.1 ICMP > Echo (ping) request > > ........................... > > 428 58.119779 67.86.243.131 67.86.240.1 ICMP > Echo (ping) request > > .................... > > 435 59.119946 67.86.243.131 67.86.240.1 ICMP > Echo (ping) request > > ................... > > 441 60.119855 67.86.243.131 67.86.240.1 ICMP > Echo (ping) request > .................................... > 446 61.119908 67.86.243.131 67.86.240.1 ICMP > Echo (ping) request > .............................. > 453 62.119980 67.86.243.131 67.86.240.1 ICMP > Echo (ping) request > ............................... > 460 63.120081 67.86.243.131 67.86.240.1 ICMP > Echo (ping) request > .......................... > 471 64.120133 67.86.243.131 67.86.240.1 ICMP > Echo (ping) request > .................................. > 479 65.120222 67.86.243.131 67.86.240.1 ICMP > Echo (ping) request > ....................... > > _________________________________________________________________ > Send instant messages to anyone on your contact list with MSN Messenger > 6.0. Try it now FREE! http://msnmessenger-download.com > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > -- Bob Cochran Greenbelt, Maryland, USA http://greenbeltcomputer.biz/ From ossamak at nht.com.kw Sat Oct 25 07:11:07 2003 From: ossamak at nht.com.kw (Ossama Khayaat) Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 10:11:07 +0300 Subject: Compiling NVIDIA driver for -ntpl kernel Message-ID: <1F336C4559FF244A90D52EFEABE98AD607CC74@nimo.nhpro.kw> > -----Original Message----- [SNIP] > From: Marc Schwartz [mailto:MSchwartz at MedAnalytics.com] > Don't forget to remove the Mesa-LibGL rpm before doing that. > > Use: > > rpm -e --nodeps XFree86-Mesa-libGL > > You will need to do that before running both of the NVidia install > processes and will need to repeat that when there are XFree86 and kernel > updates. > > Also, I have found that removing the Mesa-libGL will cause some > dependency issues when using up2date. So be aware that you may need to > uninstall it again after some updates. If I may ask, why do I have to remove this? I've always used the NVIDIA driver, before fedora, and never had a problem. Thanks Ossama From ossamak at nht.com.kw Sat Oct 25 07:11:17 2003 From: ossamak at nht.com.kw (Ossama Khayaat) Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 10:11:17 +0300 Subject: Compiling NVIDIA driver for -ntpl kernel Message-ID: <1F336C4559FF244A90D52EFEABE98AD607CC75@nimo.nhpro.kw> Thank you all for your excellent support. You're really great people :) Ossama > -----Original Message----- > From: Trond Eivind Glomsr?d [mailto:teg at pvv.org] > Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 10:21 PM > To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com > Subject: Re: Compiling NVIDIA driver for -ntpl kernel > > Trond Eivind Glomsr?d wrote: > > > Elton Woo wrote: > > > >> On October 23, 2003 08:21 am, Christopher A. Williams , <"Christopher > >> A. Williams" > wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >>> Yet another solution is to run the original NVidia installer program > >>> with the parameter --add-this-kernel which will create a customized > >>> version of the installer. Then use that one to install the drivers. > >>> > >> > >> > >> Kindly pardon my ignorance: But is the command *precisely* > >> "sh --add-this-kernel NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-4496-pkg2.run" > >> OR " sh -add-{name of current kernel} etc..." I mean is "this-kernel" > >> a placeholder for the current kernel, or should I type that command > >> as shown? > >> > >> > > It would be "sh NVIDIA.... --add..." of course. Think about it... bash > > would try to run a non-existing > > '-add-this-kernel' file otherwise. That said, it this doesn't fix the > > problem, which is that the Nvidia building > > procedure will complain when the system compiler doesn't match what > > the kernel is built with. Do > > 'export CC=gcc32' to fix that. > > > Or rather, use the option itself. Which wouldn't make more sense, bash > has no such option. > > > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From pboy at barkhof.uni-bremen.de Sat Oct 25 07:16:06 2003 From: pboy at barkhof.uni-bremen.de (Peter Boy) Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 09:16:06 +0200 Subject: Very strange Desktop Behaviour after Rawhide Update In-Reply-To: <20031024164350.1f1fb09f.kai.thomsen@gmx.de> References: <1067000426.5287.88.camel@ibmLaptop.athome.de> <20031024164350.1f1fb09f.kai.thomsen@gmx.de> Message-ID: <1067066165.8080.1.camel@ibmLaptop.athome.de> Am Fr, den 24.10.2003 schrieb Kai Thomsen um 16:43: > > If I doubleclick on the "Start Here" or any other icon on the desktop > > all icons vanish and nothing happens. The right mouse button doesn't > > work (over the desktop), but I can move the mouse and start programs > > from the panel and use the right mouse button over the panel. > > If you use GNOME, it could be Nautilus crashing. It currently does this > for me, anyway, and I get a GNOME error dialog box which, when closed, > leads into a nasty "crash loop" (due to Nautilus respawning). Here it crashes without any message or leaving a note in /var/log/messages > > 3. > > Graphical boot is gone. > > You need the boot parameter "rhgb" in your grub.conf. Thanks for the info. It works again. Do you know why rhgb isn't default anymore? Peter From pboy at barkhof.uni-bremen.de Sat Oct 25 07:37:40 2003 From: pboy at barkhof.uni-bremen.de (Peter Boy) Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 09:37:40 +0200 Subject: Very strange Desktop Behaviour after Rawhide Update In-Reply-To: <200310241554.13411.elwoo@videotron.ca> References: <1067000426.5287.88.camel@ibmLaptop.athome.de> <20031024164350.1f1fb09f.kai.thomsen@gmx.de> <200310241554.13411.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <1067067460.8080.9.camel@ibmLaptop.athome.de> Am Fr, den 24.10.2003 schrieb Elton Woo um 21:54: > *GOOD*!!! ... I thought I was the only one with nautilus constantly > crashing. Perhaps you would kindly visit and add comments to this > _very stubborn_ bug: > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=107652 Very, very interesting and very "funny" :-) I suppose my problem is just another bug. If I look into .xsession-erors I find: nautilus: relocation error: /usr/lib/librsvg-2.so.2: undefined symbol: cr_doc_handler_new repeated 5 times. I suppose it is due to the updated libsrvg2 in rawhide. Perhaps I wil retry to install the librsvg from test 3 install images. Or do you still suppose it's the same bug? Otherwise I would open a new one. Peter From jakub at redhat.com Sat Oct 25 08:14:25 2003 From: jakub at redhat.com (Jakub Jelinek) Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 04:14:25 -0400 Subject: RFT: openoffice.org tweaks to speed up startup Message-ID: <20031025041425.W2097@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Hi! I've done some tweaks to OO.o to make it more prelink-friendly (and thus to start up faster). ftp://people.redhat.com/jakub/openoffice.org/ contains openoffice.org-1.1.0-3.1 package, with 2 differences against 1.1.0-3 in rawhide: 1) there are 3 variants of the /usr/lib/openoffice/program/soffice.bin binary (the actual OOo program), soffice.bin is a symlink to one of them: soffice1.bin should be the same as soffice.bin in 1.1.0-3 soffice2.bin instead indirectly links against another > 40 libraries which are ALWAYS dlopened when soffice starts soffice3.bin is like soffice2.bin, but unlike soffice2.bin, it has all DT_NEEDED tags directly in the binary, while soffice2.bin is just crt files and all the binary's code plus most of the DT_NEEDED tags moved to new shared library 2) IMHO there are too many wrapper scripts, so there is a change in ooffice script to avoid /usr/lib/openoffice/program/soffice script which does things like check for Solaris installed patches and whatever else and instead just run the pagein and soffice.bin binaries directly with right env variables and options. If you have problems wit this change, just do: perl -pi -e 's/# exec/exec/' /usr/bin/ooffice and you'll get previous behavior I'd like if you could test all 3 sofficeN.bin binaries on a prelinked system, ie.: 1) as root: install the above package 2) as root: /etc/cron.daily/prelink 3) as normal user: for N in 1 2 3; do ln -sf soffice$N.bin /usr/lib/openoffice/program/soffice.bin run OOo a couple of times, test. Measure startup time. Run LD_DEBUG=statistics /usr/lib/openoffice/program/soffice.bin private:factory/swriter a couple of times done and tell me how do you feel it starts fast and average output of LD_DEBUG=statistics (just the first 10 lines is enough) in each of the 3 cases. Thanks. Jakub From k_b0000 at yahoo.se Sat Oct 25 08:23:11 2003 From: k_b0000 at yahoo.se (k b) Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 01:23:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: samba and swat Message-ID: <20031025082311.31454.qmail@web12007.mail.yahoo.com> is swap not comming with fedora? the other samba configuration tool is poor. kb __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From rpjday at mindspring.com Sat Oct 25 08:25:39 2003 From: rpjday at mindspring.com (Robert P. J. Day) Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 04:25:39 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Help with yum In-Reply-To: <3F9950B5.8070701@protocolmarketing.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 24 Oct 2003, Scott Dahl wrote: > I'm new to Fedora and I'm not familiar with "yum" as a way to > manage my system packages. Can anyone point me to some RTFM's > or useful pointers on how to use it? Thanks. -Scott ok, i have a *very* preliminary yum newbie doc online at http://www.kwlug.org/download.php. it's nowhere near complete, and i'm still working on content, aesthetics, fonts, etc., but what's there should at least get you started. what you'll find at that site are, among other things, a few PDF files named "rh_admin_manual-.pdf", which are just excerpts from a RH administration courseware manual i'm writing. i've posted a few excerpts to get feedback from some of the locals, so feel free to let me know what you think. again, that yum excerpt is clearly incomplete, but it should get you started. more content will go up this weekend. rday From fedora at warmcat.com Sat Oct 25 08:29:24 2003 From: fedora at warmcat.com (Andy Green) Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 09:29:24 +0100 Subject: samba and swat In-Reply-To: <20031025082311.31454.qmail@web12007.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20031025082311.31454.qmail@web12007.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200310250929.24917.fedora@warmcat.com> On Saturday 25 October 2003 09:23, k b wrote: > is swap not comming with fedora? > the other samba configuration tool is poor. Its there alright: http://ftp.redhat.com/pub/redhat/linux/rawhide/i386/Fedora/RPMS/samba-swat-3.0.0-15.i386.rpm -Andy From sjoerd at acm.org Sat Oct 25 08:52:58 2003 From: sjoerd at acm.org (Sjoerd Mullender) Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 10:52:58 +0200 Subject: Compiling NVIDIA driver for -ntpl kernel In-Reply-To: <1067022462.4598.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1F336C4559FF244A90D52EFEABE98AD607CC6F@nimo.nhpro.kw> <200310231346.06531.elwoo@videotron.ca> <1066968142.21709.3.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> <200310241456.27930.elwoo@videotron.ca> <1067022462.4598.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <3F9A39EA.4000107@acm.org> After all this talk about removing XFree86-Mesa-libGL and asking NVidia to provide RPMs, I went ahead and grabbed a copy of the RPMs they already provide (apparently for older SuSe systems) and adapted the SPEC files a bit. I have now been able to build two binary RPMs, one with just the kernel module (which needs to be rebuilt and reinstalled for each kernel update), and one with the rest (among others, /usr/lib/libGL.so.1). So with these RPMs you can remove XFree86-Mesa-libGL and then install the NVidia RPMs. If you want to do this as well, grab the source RPMs from the NVidia site (ftp://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/1.0-4496/) and replace the SPEC files with the attached. rpmbuild the packages and do the erase/install thing. I am open to suggestions for improvements of the SPEC files. -------------- next part -------------- An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: NVIDIA_GLX.spec URL: -------------- next part -------------- An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: NVIDIA_kernel.spec URL: From ionut at prolinux.ro Sat Oct 25 09:06:26 2003 From: ionut at prolinux.ro (Ionut Boldizsar) Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 12:06:26 +0300 Subject: Help with yum In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1067072786.3898.15.camel@darkstar> On Sat, 2003-10-25 at 11:25, Robert P. J. Day wrote: > On Fri, 24 Oct 2003, Scott Dahl wrote: > > > I'm new to Fedora and I'm not familiar with "yum" as a way to > > manage my system packages. Can anyone point me to some RTFM's > > or useful pointers on how to use it? Thanks. -Scott > > ok, i have a *very* preliminary yum newbie doc online at > http://www.kwlug.org/download.php. it's nowhere near complete, > and i'm still working on content, aesthetics, fonts, etc., but > what's there should at least get you started. > > what you'll find at that site are, among other things, a few > PDF files named "rh_admin_manual-.pdf", which are just > excerpts from a RH administration courseware manual i'm writing. > i've posted a few excerpts to get feedback from some of the > locals, so feel free to let me know what you think. > > again, that yum excerpt is clearly incomplete, but it should > get you started. more content will go up this weekend. > > rday Perhaps there will be a frontend for yum, as it is synaptic for apt. Then it will be real easy to manage yum. But the cli syntax is straight-forward for yum as we speak :) //ionut From rpjday at mindspring.com Sat Oct 25 09:30:56 2003 From: rpjday at mindspring.com (Robert P. J. Day) Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 05:30:56 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Help with yum In-Reply-To: <1067072786.3898.15.camel@darkstar> Message-ID: On Sat, 25 Oct 2003, Ionut Boldizsar wrote: > Perhaps there will be a frontend for yum, as it is synaptic for apt. > Then it will be real easy to manage yum. > But the cli syntax is straight-forward for yum as we speak :) from the perspective of someone who's been using yum only briefly, it's simple enough that i think a GUI frontend would be overkill, particularly since yum is *meant* to be run on a nightly basis to keep your system up to date. once something's automated like that, there's little value in a GUI. rday From paul at all-the-johnsons.co.uk Sat Oct 25 10:57:10 2003 From: paul at all-the-johnsons.co.uk (Paul) Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 11:57:10 +0100 Subject: The panel In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1067079429.1168.2.camel@T6.linux> Hi, Any chance on having that damned annoying bug on the panel fixed (the one where everything in a drawer stops acting properly)? It's the single most annoying bug I've come across (not that I've come across that many bugs!) TTFN Paul -- One OS to fool them all One browser to find them One email client to bring them all And through security holes, blind them... From dlt at mebtel.net Sat Oct 25 10:58:54 2003 From: dlt at mebtel.net (Derek Tattersall) Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 06:58:54 -0400 Subject: ACPI problems Message-ID: <20031025105854.GA5139@mebtel.net> I have and IBM G40 laptop, P4 etc, with the T3 default kernel Linux lapdog.arm.org 2.4.22-1.2088.nptl #1 Thu Oct 9 20:21:24 EDT 2003 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux I get messages like the following small sample: Oct 24 19:56:36 lapdog kernel: ACPI-1120: *** Error: Method execution failed [\_SB_.PCI0.LPC_.EC__.SMRD] (Node c12fce04), AE_TIME Oct 24 19:56:36 lapdog kernel: ACPI-1120: *** Error: Method execution failed [\_SB_.PCI0.LPC_.EC__.BAT1.UPBI] (Node c12fb814), AE_TIME Oct 24 19:56:36 lapdog kernel: ACPI-1120: *** Error: Method execution failed [\_SB_.PCI0.LPC_.EC__.BAT1._BIF] (Node c12fb7ec), AE_TIME Oct 24 20:23:02 lapdog kernel: ACPI-0345: *** Error: Handler for [EmbeddedControl] returned AE_TIME Oct 24 20:23:02 lapdog kernel: ACPI-1120: *** Error: Method execution failed [\_SB_.PCI0.LPC_.EC__.BAT1._BIF] (Node c12fb7ec), AE_TIME Oct 24 20:29:47 lapdog kernel: ACPI-0345: *** Error: Handler for [EmbeddedControl] returned AE_TIME Oct 24 20:29:47 lapdog kernel: ACPI-1120: *** Error: Method execution failed [\_SB_.PCI0.LPC_.EC__.SMRD] (Node c12fce04), AE_TIME Oct 24 20:29:47 lapdog kernel: ACPI-1120: *** Error: Method execution failed [\_SB_.PCI0.LPC_.EC__.BAT1.UPBI] (Node c12fb814), AE_TIME Oct 24 20:29:47 lapdog kernel: ACPI-1120: *** Error: Method execution failed [\_SB_.PCI0.LPC_.EC__.BAT1._BIF] (Node c12fb7ec), AE_TIME Oct 24 20:30:42 lapdog kernel: ACPI-0345: *** Error: Handler for [EmbeddedControl] returned AE_TIME Oct 24 20:30:42 lapdog kernel: ACPI-1120: *** Error: Method execution failed [\_SB_.PCI0.LPC_.EC__.SMRD] (Node c12fce04), AE_TIME I am not very familiar with ACPI, but without acpi=on, the battery applet doesn't work, With acpi=on I not only get the errors listed above, but the keyboard is very "jumpy", i.e. it randomly doubles or more characters, or pauses in taking input and displaying it. Any kernel gurus care to hazard a guess as to what's happening here and how I might fix it? -- Derek Tattersall dlt at mebtel.net From elwoo at videotron.ca Sat Oct 25 11:30:15 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 07:30:15 -0400 Subject: Very strange Desktop Behaviour after Rawhide Update In-Reply-To: <1067067460.8080.9.camel@ibmLaptop.athome.de> References: <1067000426.5287.88.camel@ibmLaptop.athome.de> <200310241554.13411.elwoo@videotron.ca> <1067067460.8080.9.camel@ibmLaptop.athome.de> Message-ID: <200310250730.15591.elwoo@videotron.ca> On October 25, 2003 03:37 am, Peter Boy , > wrote: > Am Fr, den 24.10.2003 schrieb Elton Woo um 21:54: > > *GOOD*!!! ... I thought I was the only one with nautilus constantly > > crashing. Perhaps you would kindly visit and add comments to this > > _very stubborn_ bug: > > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=107652 > > Very, very interesting and very "funny" :-) > > I suppose my problem is just another bug. If I look into .xsession-erors > I find: > > nautilus: relocation error: /usr/lib/librsvg-2.so.2: undefined symbol: > cr_doc_handler_new > > repeated 5 times. > > > I suppose it is due to the updated libsrvg2 in rawhide. Perhaps I wil > retry to install the librsvg from test 3 install images. > > Or do you still suppose it's the same bug? Otherwise I would open a new > one. Quite possibly. Have you added any comments to the above bug report? You should do so. The situation has worsened. Now when I first login to the Gnome desktop, the RHN icon shows up in the panel flashing red (as a notification that updates are available). Then, I click on it and it crashes. Immediately after that, I run up2date from the console, and it says "your system is fully updated"!!! <*DUH*>!!! Of course, if at _any time_ I RMB on the desktop and select "open a new window" nothing comes, but 11 dialogs mentioning that various programs have segfaulted. The only programs that start up are what I alread have defined to start at login: tkseti, kmail, and licq. I can't use any desktop object, since that would immediately crash with _eleven_ error dialogs popping up. Elton -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From rezso at rdsor.ro Sat Oct 25 18:30:56 2003 From: rezso at rdsor.ro (Balint Cristian) Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 14:30:56 -0400 Subject: RFT: openoffice.org tweaks to speed up startup In-Reply-To: <20031025041425.W2097@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <20031025041425.W2097@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <200310251430.56605.rezso@rdsor.ro> On Saturday 25 October 2003 04:14, Jakub Jelinek wrote: Jakub, A question arise: Your modifications is somehow sparc/ppc aware too ? If i try to recompile you new package will it work on ppc/sparc without any other code change ? Asking because have done self ppc/sparc .rpm-s from fedora src.rpm with few patches and worked ok but you probably touched the code in some way that other arches have no chance now to build up or to work with this new stuff. cristian > Hi! > > I've done some tweaks to OO.o to make it more prelink-friendly > (and thus to start up faster). > ftp://people.redhat.com/jakub/openoffice.org/ > contains openoffice.org-1.1.0-3.1 package, with 2 differences > against 1.1.0-3 in rawhide: > > 1) there are 3 variants of the /usr/lib/openoffice/program/soffice.bin > binary (the actual OOo program), soffice.bin is a symlink to one of > them: > soffice1.bin should be the same as soffice.bin in 1.1.0-3 > soffice2.bin instead indirectly links against another > 40 libraries > which are ALWAYS dlopened when soffice starts > soffice3.bin is like soffice2.bin, but unlike soffice2.bin, it has > all DT_NEEDED tags directly in the binary, while > soffice2.bin is just crt files and all the binary's > code plus most of the DT_NEEDED tags moved to > new shared library > 2) IMHO there are too many wrapper scripts, so there is a change > in ooffice script to avoid /usr/lib/openoffice/program/soffice > script which does things like check for Solaris installed patches > and whatever else and instead just run the pagein and soffice.bin > binaries directly with right env variables and options. > If you have problems wit this change, just do: > perl -pi -e 's/# exec/exec/' /usr/bin/ooffice > and you'll get previous behavior > > I'd like if you could test all 3 sofficeN.bin binaries on a prelinked > system, ie.: > 1) as root: install the above package > 2) as root: /etc/cron.daily/prelink > 3) as normal user: > for N in 1 2 3; do > ln -sf soffice$N.bin /usr/lib/openoffice/program/soffice.bin > run OOo a couple of times, test. Measure startup time. > Run > LD_DEBUG=statistics /usr/lib/openoffice/program/soffice.bin > private:factory/swriter a couple of times > done > > and tell me how do you feel it starts fast and average output of > LD_DEBUG=statistics (just the first 10 lines is enough) in each of the > 3 cases. > > Thanks. > > Jakub > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list -- Life in itself has no meaning. Life is an opportunity to create meaning. \|/ ____ \|/ "@'/ .. \`@" /_| \__/ |_\ \__U_/ From elwoo at videotron.ca Sat Oct 25 11:40:42 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 07:40:42 -0400 Subject: The panel In-Reply-To: <1067079429.1168.2.camel@T6.linux> References: <1067079429.1168.2.camel@T6.linux> Message-ID: <200310250740.42941.elwoo@videotron.ca> On October 25, 2003 06:57 am, Paul , > wrote: > Hi, > > Any chance on having that damned annoying bug on the panel fixed (the > one where everything in a drawer stops acting properly)? It's the single > most annoying bug I've come across (not that I've come across that many > bugs!) Oh, *really*? ... so you don't have nautilus constantly crashing as reported here? ----> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=107652 I'd vote for 107652 as THE most annoying one so far. Nautilus doesn't even restart, nor can a new window be started. ... try and beat that one! Elton -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From elwoo at videotron.ca Sat Oct 25 11:42:22 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 07:42:22 -0400 Subject: Compiling NVIDIA driver for -ntpl kernel In-Reply-To: <1F336C4559FF244A90D52EFEABE98AD607CC74@nimo.nhpro.kw> References: <1F336C4559FF244A90D52EFEABE98AD607CC74@nimo.nhpro.kw> Message-ID: <200310250742.22645.elwoo@videotron.ca> On October 25, 2003 03:11 am, Ossama Khayaat , > wrote: > > Also, I have found that removing the Mesa-libGL will cause some > > dependency issues when using up2date. So be aware that you may need to > > uninstall it again after some updates. > > If I may ask, why do I have to remove this? I've always used the NVIDIA > driver, before fedora, and never had a problem. If you don't remove the Mesa-libGL, you wont' be able to run the GL screensavers. Look over past discussions regarding XFree, Nvidia, and these in the list. Elton ;-) -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From jakub at redhat.com Sat Oct 25 12:13:45 2003 From: jakub at redhat.com (Jakub Jelinek) Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 08:13:45 -0400 Subject: RFT: openoffice.org tweaks to speed up startup In-Reply-To: <200310251430.56605.rezso@rdsor.ro>; from rezso@rdsor.ro on Sat, Oct 25, 2003 at 02:30:56PM -0400 References: <20031025041425.W2097@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <200310251430.56605.rezso@rdsor.ro> Message-ID: <20031025081345.X2097@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Sat, Oct 25, 2003 at 02:30:56PM -0400, Balint Cristian wrote: > On Saturday 25 October 2003 04:14, Jakub Jelinek wrote: > > Jakub, > > A question arise: > > Your modifications is somehow sparc/ppc aware too ? > If i try to recompile you new package will it work on ppc/sparc > without any other code change ? > > > Asking because have done self ppc/sparc .rpm-s from fedora src.rpm with few patches and worked ok > but you probably touched the code in some way that other arches have no chance now to build up > or to work with this new stuff. Have you looked at the changes? They are architecture independent. There is one new patch, which just changes one Makefile to build 12 objects as both non-pic and pic instead of just non-pic. Plus there are a few openoffice.org.spec additions to link the new binaries (plus rename soffice.bin to soffice1.bin and make soffice.bin symlink). Jakub From don.vanco at agilysys.com Sat Oct 25 12:26:17 2003 From: don.vanco at agilysys.com (Vanco, Don) Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 08:26:17 -0400 Subject: ACPI problems Message-ID: Not saying that it's going to be a fix - but there's been _at least_ 3 kernels released since this one, so there's little point in troubleshooting from 2088. Don -----Original Message----- From: Derek Tattersall [mailto:dlt at mebtel.net] Sent: Sat 10/25/2003 6:58 AM To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com Cc: Subject: ACPI problems I have and IBM G40 laptop, P4 etc, with the T3 default kernel Linux lapdog.arm.org 2.4.22-1.2088.nptl #1 Thu Oct 9 20:21:24 EDT 2003 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux I get messages like the following small sample: Oct 24 19:56:36 lapdog kernel: ACPI-1120: *** Error: Method execution failed [\_SB_.PCI0.LPC_.EC__.SMRD] (Node c12fce04), AE_TIME Oct 24 19:56:36 lapdog kernel: ACPI-1120: *** Error: Method execution failed [\_SB_.PCI0.LPC_.EC__.BAT1.UPBI] (Node c12fb814), AE_TIME Oct 24 19:56:36 lapdog kernel: ACPI-1120: *** Error: Method execution failed [\_SB_.PCI0.LPC_.EC__.BAT1._BIF] (Node c12fb7ec), AE_TIME Oct 24 20:23:02 lapdog kernel: ACPI-0345: *** Error: Handler for [EmbeddedControl] returned AE_TIME Oct 24 20:23:02 lapdog kernel: ACPI-1120: *** Error: Method execution failed [\_SB_.PCI0.LPC_.EC__.BAT1._BIF] (Node c12fb7ec), AE_TIME Oct 24 20:29:47 lapdog kernel: ACPI-0345: *** Error: Handler for [EmbeddedControl] returned AE_TIME Oct 24 20:29:47 lapdog kernel: ACPI-1120: *** Error: Method execution failed [\_SB_.PCI0.LPC_.EC__.SMRD] (Node c12fce04), AE_TIME Oct 24 20:29:47 lapdog kernel: ACPI-1120: *** Error: Method execution failed [\_SB_.PCI0.LPC_.EC__.BAT1.UPBI] (Node c12fb814), AE_TIME Oct 24 20:29:47 lapdog kernel: ACPI-1120: *** Error: Method execution failed [\_SB_.PCI0.LPC_.EC__.BAT1._BIF] (Node c12fb7ec), AE_TIME Oct 24 20:30:42 lapdog kernel: ACPI-0345: *** Error: Handler for [EmbeddedControl] returned AE_TIME Oct 24 20:30:42 lapdog kernel: ACPI-1120: *** Error: Method execution failed [\_SB_.PCI0.LPC_.EC__.SMRD] (Node c12fce04), AE_TIME I am not very familiar with ACPI, but without acpi=on, the battery applet doesn't work, With acpi=on I not only get the errors listed above, but the keyboard is very "jumpy", i.e. it randomly doubles or more characters, or pauses in taking input and displaying it. Any kernel gurus care to hazard a guess as to what's happening here and how I might fix it? -- Derek Tattersall dlt at mebtel.net -- fedora-test-list mailing list fedora-test-list at redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From kai.thomsen at gmx.de Sat Oct 25 12:58:26 2003 From: kai.thomsen at gmx.de (Kai Thomsen) Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 14:58:26 +0200 Subject: Very strange Desktop Behaviour after Rawhide Update In-Reply-To: <1067066165.8080.1.camel@ibmLaptop.athome.de> References: <1067000426.5287.88.camel@ibmLaptop.athome.de> <20031024164350.1f1fb09f.kai.thomsen@gmx.de> <1067066165.8080.1.camel@ibmLaptop.athome.de> Message-ID: <20031025145826.19d20651.kai.thomsen@gmx.de> On Sat, 25 Oct 2003 09:16:06 +0200, Peter Boy wrote: > Am Fr, den 24.10.2003 schrieb Kai Thomsen um 16:43: > > If you use GNOME, it could be Nautilus crashing. It currently does > > this for me, anyway, and I get a GNOME error dialog box which, when > > closed, leads into a nasty "crash loop" (due to Nautilus > > respawning). > > Here it crashes without any message or leaving a note in > /var/log/messages I get the behaviour you describe when Nautilus has not been prelinked yet. In that case, .xsession-errors contains relocation error messages. http://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=107875 > > You need the boot parameter "rhgb" in your grub.conf. > > Thanks for the info. It works again. > > Do you know why rhgb isn't default anymore? Alexander Larsson wrote on this ML that Anaconda now activates it by default. Apparently, package updates don't add this option if "nogui" is missing. --Kai From tdiehl at rogueind.com Sat Oct 25 13:19:28 2003 From: tdiehl at rogueind.com (Tom Diehl) Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 09:19:28 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Help with yum In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sat, 25 Oct 2003, Robert P. J. Day wrote: > On Sat, 25 Oct 2003, Ionut Boldizsar wrote: > > > Perhaps there will be a frontend for yum, as it is synaptic for apt. > > Then it will be real easy to manage yum. > > But the cli syntax is straight-forward for yum as we speak :) > > from the perspective of someone who's been using yum only briefly, it's > simple enough that i think a GUI frontend would be overkill, particularly > since yum is *meant* to be run on a nightly basis to keep your system up > to date. > > once something's automated like that, there's little value in a GUI. The problem here is you have a clue. As a result you are looking at this from the prospective of understanding a command line. The average person migrating from a windoze environment NEVER wants to see a command line no matter how simple. If there was a gui for yum the chances of my using it on my own machines are nil but I can see the value of it for users that want to install/remove additional packages on their own and have "command-line-phobia". -- ......Tom Registered Linux User #14522 http://counter.li.org tdiehl at rogueind.com My current SpamTrap -------> mtd123 at rogueind.com From david.ponce at wanadoo.fr Sat Oct 25 13:41:02 2003 From: david.ponce at wanadoo.fr (David Ponce) Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 15:41:02 +0200 Subject: Unable to bootstrap GNU Emacs 21.3 (segfault) In-Reply-To: <18456542.1067016660647.JavaMail.www@wwinf0403> References: <18456542.1067016660647.JavaMail.www@wwinf0403> Message-ID: <3F9A7D6E.9090403@wanadoo.fr> Hi, Since my previous post I downloaded the source rpm of Emacs 21.3 from and tried to do an: "rpmbuild --rebuild emacs-21.3-6.src.rpm" And the rebuild failed on a segfault during the loadup dump stage (see the attached log file). I am a regular contributor to Emacs development, and I need to be able to build Emacs from sources (particularly the trunk development version). And I fail to do that on my new Fedora box :-( I already successfully build Emacs from source many times on my RH 7 box, on Solaris 8 and even on Windows NT4 and XP using the cygwin/mingw toolset. So perhaps there is something in the Fedora system that Emacs don't like. Did somebody already successfully build Emacs on his Fedora box? I would really appreciate any help. I am stuck :-( Thanks in advance for your support. Sincerely, David -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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From racerpup2 at comcast.net Sat Oct 25 14:12:14 2003 From: racerpup2 at comcast.net (Walt Frampus) Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 10:12:14 -0400 Subject: Fedora and LG CD-RW Drives In-Reply-To: <200310251408.h9PE8hG20087@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <200310251408.h9PE8hG20087@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1067091133.4384.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sat, 2003-10-25 at 10:08, Alan Cox wrote: > > It seems that the drives are being killed by a packet writing patch > > that was introduced into the Mandrake kernel on August 15th. > > Specifically if you send a flush cache command to the specific LG drives > or their compaq rebadged ones they become factory returns. Scary stuff > indeed. > > Actually is is just the cheap cd-roms that are affected, not the cd r/rw "Mandrake 9.2 Because of hardware problems with the kernel used by MDK 9.2, certain cheap ($19.99 USD) LG CDROMS, not CDRWs will be fried if used. This has been documented on the mandrake-newbie list, Subject: "CDROM fails on detection" and have been blacklisted by kernel.org." From david.balazic at uni-mb.si Sat Oct 25 14:14:22 2003 From: david.balazic at uni-mb.si (DAVID BALAZIC) Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 16:14:22 +0200 Subject: supermount or equiv? Message-ID: <01L292RIY4W2002NX6@rcum.uni-mb.si> George Farris wrote: >On Thu, 2003-10-23 at 08:13, Mark Guzzo wrote: >> > > I don't think there is any simple way to unmount >> > > and eject, is that not true? >> > >> > unmount : >> > - wait for timeout or >> > - manually umount >> > >> > eject : >> > - push the eject button or >> > - use the eject command >> > >> > both can be done from GUI, I guess ( I can't recall doing so lately though ) >> > >> >> Well, >> >> I enjoyed the talk about magicdev and autofs so much that I Googled >> autofs to find out just how to use it. I found some good info, if any >> one wants it here it is... >> >> http://www.linuxhq.com/lg/issue24/nielsen.html >> This site has a script that works like a charm! I'll be doing this on my >> wife's Fedora computer :-) >> > >I wouldn't suggest it. This doesn't work with GNOME for example. It >probably only works for the command line. How do you mean it doesn't work with some program ? It is a FS driver. It works with every program. >Linux floppy support for the type of hardware that we have is broken, it >always has been. If the floppy didn't have an eject button on it and >only worked under software control it would be fine. In the real world, >however, we have to live with the piece of crap hardware that we have >and Linux just plain doesn't deal with it. Why the kernel developers >can't fix this is beyond me but.... lack of motivation ? other more interesting things to do ? why don't YOU do it ? ;-) -- David Balazic E-mail : david.balazic at uni-mb.si | living in sLOVEnija home page: http://surf.to/stein -- From chrisw01 at privatei.com Sat Oct 25 15:11:07 2003 From: chrisw01 at privatei.com (Christopher A. Williams) Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 09:11:07 -0600 Subject: Compiling NVIDIA driver for -ntpl kernel In-Reply-To: <200310250742.22645.elwoo@videotron.ca> References: <1F336C4559FF244A90D52EFEABE98AD607CC74@nimo.nhpro.kw> <200310250742.22645.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <1067094667.3409.4.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> On Sat, 2003-10-25 at 05:42, Elton Woo wrote: > On October 25, 2003 03:11 am, Ossama Khayaat , > wrote: > > > Also, I have found that removing the Mesa-libGL will cause some > > > dependency issues when using up2date. So be aware that you may need to > > > uninstall it again after some updates. > > > > If I may ask, why do I have to remove this? I've always used the NVIDIA > > driver, before fedora, and never had a problem. > If you don't remove the Mesa-libGL, you wont' be able to run the GL > screensavers. Look over past discussions regarding XFree, Nvidia, and > these in the list. Interesting - I was always under the impression that the latest NVidia installers updated the MesaGL libraries so that they did work with the GL screen savers. The only error I have ever seen, even with the RSSS packages, was that some complained that DRI was not loaded. Since the NVidia drivers don't like DRI, I assumed this was normal. Cheers, Chris -- ==================================== "If you get to thinkin' you're a person of some influence, try orderin' someone else's dog around." --Cowboy Wisdom From nosp at xades.com Sat Oct 25 15:32:45 2003 From: nosp at xades.com (nosp) Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 16:32:45 +0100 Subject: Compiling NVIDIA driver for -ntpl kernel In-Reply-To: <1067094667.3409.4.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> References: <1F336C4559FF244A90D52EFEABE98AD607CC74@nimo.nhpro.kw> <200310250742.22645.elwoo@videotron.ca> <1067094667.3409.4.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> Message-ID: <1067095965.8842.5.camel@earth.xades.com> On Sat, 2003-10-25 at 16:11, Christopher A. Williams wrote: > The only error I have ever seen, even with the RSSS packages, was that > some complained that DRI was not loaded. Since the NVidia drivers don't > like DRI, I assumed this was normal. Nope, not normal. Nvidia's drivers don't use DRI -- any opengl program that thinks it needs to try DRI is not using nvidia's opengl drivers. This -- that some programs "find" the Mesa opengl library before the nvidia one you've installed -- is the problem. Removing the Mesa libGL.so files manually or via rpm -e --nodeps gets rid of the message. From paul at all-the-johnsons.co.uk Sat Oct 25 15:49:35 2003 From: paul at all-the-johnsons.co.uk (Paul) Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 16:49:35 +0100 Subject: The panel In-Reply-To: <200310250740.42941.elwoo@videotron.ca> References: <1067079429.1168.2.camel@T6.linux> <200310250740.42941.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <1067096975.1651.0.camel@T6.linux> Hi, > I'd vote for 107652 as THE most annoying one so far. Nautilus doesn't even > restart, nor can a new window be started. > ... try and beat that one! Not had it crash on me yet. TTFN Paul -- One OS to fool them all One browser to find them One email client to bring them all And through security holes, blind them... From nphilipp at redhat.com Sat Oct 25 16:07:59 2003 From: nphilipp at redhat.com (Nils Philippsen) Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 18:07:59 +0200 Subject: Beep on X11 login screen In-Reply-To: <200310242311.h9ONBio05802@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <200310242311.h9ONBio05802@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1067098078.30706.7.camel@wombat.tiptoe.de> On Sat, 2003-10-25 at 01:11, Alan Cox wrote: > > > Can it be turned off ? > > > I guess it can, but I am not at my fedora system right now, so I can't check... > > > > to my knowledge, no, it cannot be disabled. And why does it matter? It's > > a single beep. > > Its annoying. A beep should be an alert for something important. Its just > horrible UI work, fortunately its easy to hack out of the sources Can we please just agree that it's important for some people while at the same time annoying to others? A boolean BeepWhenReady option shouldn't be that hard to implement to please both camps. Bonus points for implementing Andy Green's idea: > Why not turn this into a PR pluspoint by, for at least the first boot, > making a little note on the login display explaining why the beep is > there (karma++) and how to turn it off if you are not visually > challenged, for extra points a checkbox right there and then. > > -Andy Having it beep by default for the visually impaired is a must IMO. Nils -- Nils Philippsen / Red Hat / nphilipp at redhat.com "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- B. Franklin, 1759 PGP fingerprint: C4A8 9474 5C4C ADE3 2B8F 656D 47D8 9B65 6951 3011 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From glass-art at comcast.net Sat Oct 25 16:13:30 2003 From: glass-art at comcast.net (Clifford Snow) Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 09:13:30 -0700 Subject: Very strange Desktop Behaviour after Rawhide Update In-Reply-To: <1067067460.8080.9.camel@ibmLaptop.athome.de> References: <1067000426.5287.88.camel@ibmLaptop.athome.de> <20031024164350.1f1fb09f.kai.thomsen@gmx.de> <200310241554.13411.elwoo@videotron.ca> <1067067460.8080.9.camel@ibmLaptop.athome.de> Message-ID: <1067098410.4975.13.camel@blue.comcast.net> On Sat, 2003-10-25 at 00:37, Peter Boy wrote: > Am Fr, den 24.10.2003 schrieb Elton Woo um 21:54: > > *GOOD*!!! ... I thought I was the only one with nautilus constantly > > crashing. Perhaps you would kindly visit and add comments to this > > _very stubborn_ bug: > > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=107652 > > Very, very interesting and very "funny" :-) > > I suppose my problem is just another bug. If I look into .xsession-erors > I find: > > nautilus: relocation error: /usr/lib/librsvg-2.so.2: undefined symbol: > cr_doc_handler_new > > repeated 5 times. > > > I suppose it is due to the updated libsrvg2 in rawhide. Perhaps I wil > retry to install the librsvg from test 3 install images. > > Or do you still suppose it's the same bug? Otherwise I would open a new > one. I believe that http://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=107875 covers the problem with librsvg2 that you are seeing. Apparently the fix is in a new version 2.4.0-3 which I haven't seen yet. -- Clifford Snow glass-art at comcast.net -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From MSchwartz at MedAnalytics.com Sat Oct 25 16:17:46 2003 From: MSchwartz at MedAnalytics.com (Marc Schwartz) Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 11:17:46 -0500 Subject: Very strange Desktop Behaviour after Rawhide Update In-Reply-To: <1067098410.4975.13.camel@blue.comcast.net> References: <1067000426.5287.88.camel@ibmLaptop.athome.de> <20031024164350.1f1fb09f.kai.thomsen@gmx.de> <200310241554.13411.elwoo@videotron.ca> <1067067460.8080.9.camel@ibmLaptop.athome.de> <1067098410.4975.13.camel@blue.comcast.net> Message-ID: <1067098666.4851.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sat, 2003-10-25 at 11:13, Clifford Snow wrote: SNIP > I believe that > http://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=107875 covers the > problem with librsvg2 that you are seeing. Apparently the fix is in a > new version 2.4.0-3 which I haven't seen yet. It is available in this morning's up2date push along with a lot of other stuff. HTH, Marc From andre at bwh.harvard.edu Sat Oct 25 16:44:10 2003 From: andre at bwh.harvard.edu (Andre Robatino) Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 12:44:10 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Rawhide package problems Message-ID: <200310251644.h9PGiAC05414@garfield.bwh.harvard.edu> The following four packages from this morning were improperly built and can't be installed. [andre at localhost up2date]$ rpm -qpi redhat-config-network-1.3.8-1.noarch.rpm error: open of References: <1067000426.5287.88.camel@ibmLaptop.athome.de> <20031024164350.1f1fb09f.kai.thomsen@gmx.de> <200310241554.13411.elwoo@videotron.ca> <1067067460.8080.9.camel@ibmLaptop.athome.de> <1067098410.4975.13.camel@blue.comcast.net> <1067098666.4851.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1067100866.4975.16.camel@blue.comcast.net> On Sat, 2003-10-25 at 09:17, Marc Schwartz wrote: > > I believe that > > http://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=107875 covers the > > problem with librsvg2 that you are seeing. Apparently the fix is in a > > new version 2.4.0-3 which I haven't seen yet. > > > It is available in this morning's up2date push along with a lot of other > stuff. Thanks - I just found it and you are right, with a whole LOT of other updates. -- Clifford Snow glass-art at comcast.net -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From whooperhsd3 at earthlink.net Sat Oct 25 17:23:19 2003 From: whooperhsd3 at earthlink.net (William Hooper) Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 13:23:19 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Rawhide package problems In-Reply-To: <200310251644.h9PGiAC05414@garfield.bwh.harvard.edu> References: <200310251644.h9PGiAC05414@garfield.bwh.harvard.edu> Message-ID: <64915.65.40.134.44.1067102599.squirrel@65.40.134.44> Andre Robatino said: > The following four packages from this morning were improperly built and > can't be installed. > > [andre at localhost up2date]$ rpm -qpi > redhat-config-network-1.3.8-1.noarch.rpm > error: open of [andre at localhost up2date]$ rpm -qpi > redhat-config-network-tui-1.3.8-1.noarch.rpm > error: open of [andre at localhost up2date]$ rpm -qpi > redhat-config-services-0.8.5-23.noarch.rpm error: open of failed: No such file or directory > [andre at localhost up2date]$ rpm -qpi xinitrc-3.35-1.noarch.rpm > error: open of [andre at localhost up2date]$ Maybe you got bad downloads? I just downloaded and tested those for and the work for me. -- William Hooper From andre at bwh.harvard.edu Sat Oct 25 17:39:31 2003 From: andre at bwh.harvard.edu (Andre Robatino) Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 13:39:31 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Rawhide package problems In-Reply-To: <64915.65.40.134.44.1067102599.squirrel@65.40.134.44> from "William Hooper" at Oct 25, 2003 01:23:19 PM Message-ID: <200310251739.h9PHdVf05774@garfield.bwh.harvard.edu> > Andre Robatino said: > > The following four packages from this morning were improperly built and > > can't be installed. > > > > [andre at localhost up2date]$ rpm -qpi > > redhat-config-network-1.3.8-1.noarch.rpm > > error: open of > [andre at localhost up2date]$ rpm -qpi > > redhat-config-network-tui-1.3.8-1.noarch.rpm > > error: open of > [andre at localhost up2date]$ rpm -qpi > > redhat-config-services-0.8.5-23.noarch.rpm error: open of > failed: No such file or directory > > [andre at localhost up2date]$ rpm -qpi xinitrc-3.35-1.noarch.rpm > > error: open of > [andre at localhost up2date]$ > > Maybe you got bad downloads? I just downloaded and tested those for and > the work for me. > > -- > William Hooper I noticed that for some reason the four RPM files were all 5896 bytes. I cleaned out /var/spool/up2date and tried again and this time the files downloaded and installed properly (and were bigger, of course). I have no idea what happened. From jbarrios at linuxparatodos.net Sat Oct 25 18:01:58 2003 From: jbarrios at linuxparatodos.net (Joel Barrios) Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 13:01:58 -0500 Subject: Rawhide package problems In-Reply-To: <200310251739.h9PHdVf05774@garfield.bwh.harvard.edu> References: <200310251739.h9PHdVf05774@garfield.bwh.harvard.edu> Message-ID: <1067104918.30434.36.camel@linux.linuxparatodos.com.mx> You downloaded "error 400" pages instead of binaries. This is, you tried to install plain html files. That's why it displayed part of a HTML header when doing rpm -qpi > I noticed that for some reason the four RPM files were all 5896 bytes. I > cleaned out /var/spool/up2date and tried again and this time the files > downloaded and installed properly (and were bigger, of course). I have no > idea what happened. > Joel Barrios D. Linux Para Todos http://www.linuxparatodos.net/ From andre at bwh.harvard.edu Sat Oct 25 18:01:42 2003 From: andre at bwh.harvard.edu (Andre Robatino) Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 14:01:42 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Rawhide package problems In-Reply-To: <200310251739.h9PHdVf05774@garfield.bwh.harvard.edu> from "Andre Robatino" at Oct 25, 2003 01:39:31 PM Message-ID: <200310251801.h9PI1gF05895@garfield.bwh.harvard.edu> > > Andre Robatino said: > > > The following four packages from this morning were improperly built and > > > can't be installed. > > > > > > [andre at localhost up2date]$ rpm -qpi > > > redhat-config-network-1.3.8-1.noarch.rpm > > > error: open of > > [andre at localhost up2date]$ rpm -qpi > > > redhat-config-network-tui-1.3.8-1.noarch.rpm > > > error: open of > > [andre at localhost up2date]$ rpm -qpi > > > redhat-config-services-0.8.5-23.noarch.rpm error: open of > > failed: No such file or directory > > > [andre at localhost up2date]$ rpm -qpi xinitrc-3.35-1.noarch.rpm > > > error: open of > > [andre at localhost up2date]$ > > > > Maybe you got bad downloads? I just downloaded and tested those for and > > the work for me. > > > > -- > > William Hooper > > I noticed that for some reason the four RPM files were all 5896 bytes. I > cleaned out /var/spool/up2date and tried again and this time the files > downloaded and installed properly (and were bigger, of course). I have no > idea what happened. I noticed that all four 5896-byte files were identical, and they were all the following HTML page, which basically says Page Not Found (404) We're sorry! The page you are looking for has been moved or no longer exists. Please search for it, or go to the redhat.com home page. (The white space may be changed slightly by my copy-and-paste. I'm including this for debugging purposes, not because I like HTML email.) -------------------------------------------------------------------------- redhat.com | error Software Subscriptions Professional Services Solutions Support and Docs Training About Red Hat
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-------------------------------------------------------------------------- From christoph.wickert at web.de Sat Oct 25 21:06:52 2003 From: christoph.wickert at web.de (Christoph Wickert) Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 23:06:52 +0200 Subject: ftp links in Evolution In-Reply-To: <1067032644.6598.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1066953463.8379.5.camel@hal9000.lokales.netz> <1067032644.6598.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <3F9AE5EC.4050408@web.de> Sean Earp schrieb: > >I'll second that... doesn't work for me either. (If it isn't in >bugzilla, it doesn't exist) > > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=107994 -- "Wenn zu perfekt - Gott b?se." Nam June Paik _______________________________ Christoph Wickert mailto:christoph.wickert at web.de From david.pilcher at charthouse.co.uk Sat Oct 25 21:46:09 2003 From: david.pilcher at charthouse.co.uk (David Pilcher) Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 17:46:09 -0400 Subject: No audio on Dell 400SC Server Message-ID: <000e01c39b41$67e66dc0$0401a8c0@CHLAPTOP2> Hi, I am running Fedora test release 3, and while most things works great and look the best ever (great job guys!), the audio doesn't. The drivers appear to load correctly, with the sound card (i810 driver) being detected, however no sound can be heard, despite playing with the volume controls. I believe the sound card is an ADI 198x Soundmax. The motherboard is an Intel 875p. Dell have some alsa drivers for RH9 that I tried under test release 2 and they did appear to work, but they replaced the volume control program in gnome with an alsa one... and even then I had to change the volume before I got anything. Since the card is detected and the drivers appear loaded though, it would be better for us if this puppy just worked. Any suggestions, hints, tips, info I can give you would be great. I'm sure there are a lot of these boxes starting to fly around, since dell has been shipping these pretty cheap. Thanks, Dave From mike at netlyncs.com Sat Oct 25 22:52:28 2003 From: mike at netlyncs.com (Mike Chambers) Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 17:52:28 -0500 Subject: ftp links in Evolution In-Reply-To: <3F9AE5EC.4050408@web.de> References: <1066953463.8379.5.camel@hal9000.lokales.netz> <1067032644.6598.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <3F9AE5EC.4050408@web.de> Message-ID: <1067122347.1481.1.camel@bart.netlyncs.com> On Sat, 2003-10-25 at 16:06, Christoph Wickert wrote: > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=107994 Also filed upstream... http://bugzilla.ximian.com/show_bug.cgi?id=50125 -- Mike Chambers Madisonville, KY "Can you hear me now?....GOOD!" From a.t.meinen at chello.nl Sat Oct 25 23:43:34 2003 From: a.t.meinen at chello.nl (Tino Meinen) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 01:43:34 +0200 Subject: laptop dhcp fails on severn In-Reply-To: <1067023024.3449.36.camel@cpc3-hem12-3-0-cust199.lutn.cable.ntl.com> References: <1067023024.3449.36.camel@cpc3-hem12-3-0-cust199.lutn.cable.ntl.com> Message-ID: <1067125414.2612.20.camel@node10a62.a2000.nl> Matheesha, I tip I got from Ed Hill when I had network problems: Try this: put the kudzu service off (redhat-config-services), and then reboot. See if that improves your networking (if your system isn't getting new IP information through DHCP, I guess it will keep the old config, so that could explain what you saw?) see bug https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=107389 Tino Op vr 24-10-2003, om 21:17 schreef Matheesha: > Sean, > > I've noticed the same problems on my laptop. My suspicions are on the > cardbus NIC drivers (is it tulip ?). My dlink 680TXD was getting a lease > on my home coyotelinux floppy NAT server. But it couldn't contact the > NAT server nevermind the outside world! I was just trying to ping it and > it wouldnt work. They are on the same subnet (obviously) and were > connected through a cross over cable. I tried renewing the lease using > dhclient with no joy. Didn't try doing a network restart and instead > rebooted (Force of habit from windows. Bad habits die hard I guess). > > The laptop was then taken to work and used with the same results. I got > a lease but couldn't do any network name resolutions. I swapped cards > with a 3com 589 like you did and things were the same. Out of curiosity > I checked redhat-config-network and the DNS tab was still showing my > home ISP DNS server entries! I deleted these and I was then able to do > name resolution. > > I am not sure if the DLink didn't work at work because it may have been > still remembering the home ISP DNS servers.Incidentally the laptop had > just been freshly installed with severn 0.95. I am not sure if there are > any updates like the kernel updates which may be addressing these > issues. I couldnt get the NIC working to update the kernel! > > I was too tired from working late the last few days to do more > troubleshooting. Will do though if someone needs more information to > troubleshoot this issue. From kai.thomsen at gmx.de Sat Oct 25 23:46:49 2003 From: kai.thomsen at gmx.de (Kai Thomsen) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 01:46:49 +0200 Subject: No audio on Dell 400SC Server In-Reply-To: <000e01c39b41$67e66dc0$0401a8c0@CHLAPTOP2> References: <000e01c39b41$67e66dc0$0401a8c0@CHLAPTOP2> Message-ID: <20031026014649.2e9d6e69.kai.thomsen@gmx.de> On Sat, 25 Oct 2003 17:46:09 -0400, David Pilcher wrote: > The drivers appear to load correctly, with the sound card (i810 > driver) being detected, however no sound can be heard, despite playing > with the volume controls. > > I believe the sound card is an ADI 198x Soundmax. The motherboard is > an Intel 875p. This description sounds similar to bug #107639. (no pun intended ;) --Kai From pboy at barkhof.uni-bremen.de Sun Oct 26 00:09:06 2003 From: pboy at barkhof.uni-bremen.de (Peter Boy) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 02:09:06 +0200 Subject: Very strange Desktop Behaviour after Rawhide Update In-Reply-To: <1067098410.4975.13.camel@blue.comcast.net> References: <1067000426.5287.88.camel@ibmLaptop.athome.de> <20031024164350.1f1fb09f.kai.thomsen@gmx.de> <200310241554.13411.elwoo@videotron.ca> <1067067460.8080.9.camel@ibmLaptop.athome.de> <1067098410.4975.13.camel@blue.comcast.net> Message-ID: <1067126946.5701.1.camel@ibmLaptop.athome.de> Am Sa, den 25.10.2003 schrieb Clifford Snow um 18:13: > > nautilus: relocation error: /usr/lib/librsvg-2.so.2: undefined symbol: > > cr_doc_handler_new > > > > repeated 5 times. > > [snip] > > > I believe that > http://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=107875 covers the > problem with librsvg2 that you are seeing. Apparently the fix is in a > new version 2.4.0-3 which I haven't seen yet. It is the same bug and version 2.4.0-3 fixed the problem. Peter From paul at frields.com Sun Oct 26 00:50:21 2003 From: paul at frields.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 20:50:21 -0400 Subject: Rawhide package problems In-Reply-To: <200310251801.h9PI1gF05895@garfield.bwh.harvard.edu> References: <200310251801.h9PI1gF05895@garfield.bwh.harvard.edu> Message-ID: <1067129421.1474.6.camel@bettie.internal.frields.org> On Sat, 2003-10-25 at 14:01, Andre Robatino wrote: > > > > The following four packages from this morning were improperly built and > > > > can't be installed. > > > > > I noticed that for some reason the four RPM files were all 5896 bytes. I > > cleaned out /var/spool/up2date and tried again and this time the files > > downloaded and installed properly (and were bigger, of course). I have no > > idea what happened. > > I noticed that all four 5896-byte files were identical, and they were all > the following HTML page, which basically says > > Page Not Found (404) I had a different problem this morning, which was that the openoffice.org-libs RPM was not downloaded completely, although up2date displayed no errors, which says to me that the server simply didn't provide it in its entirety. There could have been a variety of reasons for this, none of which are really that important to solving the problem. The upshot was that up2date failed in the middle of the upgrade process with a fatal error, leaving some of my packages erased and some installed. (As a tester, I know I should have tried to restore to the pre-error state and run again, but to be honest, I didn't have time due to domestic responsibilities.) I did go back and check the downloaded RPM's in /var/spool/up2date, and that was the only one with a problem (and was not the last one downloaded, either). It seems to me that up2date should be doing this step, i.e. an "rpm -K" on the package files before installing (possibly with a "--nosignature", since this may affect rawhide at least for right now), to make sure that the files at least are complete and internally consistent. Am I missing something here or should I file an RFE? -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE From esmac9 at hotmail.com Sun Oct 26 01:10:22 2003 From: esmac9 at hotmail.com (Steven Mackay) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 01:10:22 +0000 Subject: Ctrl-Alt-Backspace Problem Message-ID: OK I'm a relative newbie so excuse any stupidity on my part. I have an Athlon XP 2400+ and when I press Ctrl-Alt-Backspace instead of restarting X11 I get an immediate shutdown (instant power off) I've heard this is something to do with my motherboard also using this key combination. But it was previously fixed, I didn't have this problem with Fedora 1 but it reappeared with Fedora 2 and 3. I'm sorry if this is a non-issue/has been fixed or has already been pointed out. I searched but couldn't find any mention of it. Thank you. _________________________________________________________________ Stay in touch with absent friends - get MSN Messenger http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger From paul.morgan at jumanjihouse.com Sun Oct 26 02:38:28 2003 From: paul.morgan at jumanjihouse.com (Paul Morgan) Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 21:38:28 -0500 Subject: PCMCIA only works if cancelled? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1067135907.5393.5.camel@vaio.jumanjihouse.com> On Fri, 2003-10-24 at 21:11, sean darcy wrote: > After a number of succesful boots, it froze at pcmcia. Went to interactive > startup. Once up, I tried ./pcmcia start. It froze again. > > Here's the wierd part: I used ^C and it completed successfully. I had tail > -f /var/log/messages open in aother window. As soon as I hit ^C the rest of > the messages appeared. > > Oct 24 16:31:35 gateway kernel: Linux Kernel Card Services 3.1.22 > Oct 24 16:31:35 gateway kernel: options: [pci] [cardbus] [pm] > Oct 24 16:31:36 gateway kernel: PCI: Enabling device 00:0a.0 (0000 -> 0002) > Oct 24 16:31:36 gateway kernel: PCI: Enabling device 00:0a.1 (0000 -> 0002) > Oct 24 16:31:36 gateway kernel: Yenta IRQ list 0c98, PCI irq9 > Oct 24 16:31:36 gateway kernel: Socket status: 30000010 > Oct 24 16:31:36 gateway kernel: Yenta IRQ list 0c98, PCI irq9 > Oct 24 16:31:36 gateway kernel: Socket status: 30000010 > > ******** this is where it hung ************** > > Oct 24 16:32:33 gateway cardmgr[6903]: starting, version is 3.1.31 > Oct 24 16:32:33 gateway cardmgr[6903]: watching 2 sockets > Oct 24 16:32:33 gateway cardmgr[6903]: Card Services release does not match > Oct 24 16:32:33 gateway kernel: cs: IO port probe 0x0c00-0x0cff: clean. > Oct 24 16:32:33 gateway kernel: cs: IO port probe 0x0100-0x04ff: excluding > 0x170-0x177 0x200-0x207 0x240-0x24f 0x330-0x337 0x370-0x37f 0x388-0x38f > 0x398-0x39f 0x4d0-0x4d7 > Oct 24 16:32:33 gateway kernel: cs: IO port probe 0x0a00-0x0aff: clean. > Oct 24 16:32:33 gateway kernel: cs: memory probe 0xa0000000-0xa0ffffff: > clean. > Oct 24 16:32:33 gateway cardmgr[6903]: socket 0: 3Com 589 Ethernet > Oct 24 16:32:33 gateway cardmgr[6903]: executing: 'modprobe 3c589_cs' > Oct 24 16:32:33 gateway kernel: eth0: 3Com 3c589, io 0x300, irq 3, hw_addr > 00:60:97:8F:5D:D1 > Oct 24 16:32:33 gateway kernel: 8K FIFO split 5:3 Rx:Tx, auto xcvr > Oct 24 16:32:33 gateway cardmgr[6903]: executing: './network start eth0' > Oct 24 16:32:34 gateway cardmgr[6903]: socket 1: Xircom IIps Ethernet > Oct 24 16:32:34 gateway cardmgr[6903]: executing: 'modprobe xirc2ps_cs' > Oct 24 16:32:34 gateway kernel: xirc2ps_cs.c 1.31 1998/12/09 19:32:55 > (dd9jn+kvh) > Oct 24 16:32:34 gateway kernel: eth1: Xircom: port 0x310, irq 10, hwaddr > 00:80:C7:37:6C:9E > Oct 24 16:32:34 gateway cardmgr[6903]: executing: './network start eth1' I've experienced this two or three times: under RH9, severn/rawhide/fedora, and (I think) RH8, and "solved" it the same way you did (^C during pcmcia start). This happened under both an IBM Thinkpad and my current Sony Vaio. At the time my Vaio was dual-bootable between rawhide and winXP, so I tried booting into XP (in which the card worked) and then into RH (in which it continued to hang) several times to prove reproducibility before trying the ^C. -paul From bcs at metacon.ca Sun Oct 26 03:38:31 2003 From: bcs at metacon.ca (Ben Steeves) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 00:38:31 -0300 Subject: Ctrl-Alt-Backspace Problem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1067139511.8571.3.camel@ripley> On Sat, 2003-10-25 at 22:10, Steven Mackay wrote: > OK I'm a relative newbie so excuse any stupidity on my part. > > I have an Athlon XP 2400+ and when I press Ctrl-Alt-Backspace instead of > restarting X11 I get an immediate shutdown (instant power off) I have the same problem -- my machine goes into hibernation mode when I use Ctrl-Alt-Del. I have all the power management features in my BIOS turned off, so I'm not sure what causes this behavior. I'm using an ECS K7S5A motherboard and an Athlon 1800+. It only started happening since I installed Fedora Core Test 2. Previous to that I was using RH9 -- FCT2 was a clean install. -- Ben Steeves _ bcs at metacon.ca The ASCII ribbon campaign ( ) ben.steeves at unb.ca against HTML e-mail X GPG ID: 0xB3EBF1D9 http://www.metacon.ca/ascii / \ Yahoo Messenger: ben_steeves From redhat-jc at insight.rr.com Sun Oct 26 03:41:11 2003 From: redhat-jc at insight.rr.com (Jim Cornette) Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 23:41:11 -0400 Subject: Rawhide package problems In-Reply-To: <200310251739.h9PHdVf05774@garfield.bwh.harvard.edu> References: <200310251739.h9PHdVf05774@garfield.bwh.harvard.edu> Message-ID: <3F9B4257.3000307@insight.rr.com> Andre Robatino wrote: >>Andre Robatino said: >> >>> The following four packages from this morning were improperly built and >>>can't be installed. >>> >>>[andre at localhost up2date]$ rpm -qpi >>>redhat-config-network-1.3.8-1.noarch.rpm >>>error: open of >>[andre at localhost up2date]$ rpm -qpi >>>redhat-config-network-tui-1.3.8-1.noarch.rpm >>>error: open of >>[andre at localhost up2date]$ rpm -qpi >>>redhat-config-services-0.8.5-23.noarch.rpm error: open of >>failed: No such file or directory >>>[andre at localhost up2date]$ rpm -qpi xinitrc-3.35-1.noarch.rpm >>>error: open of >>[andre at localhost up2date]$ >> >>Maybe you got bad downloads? I just downloaded and tested those for and >>the work for me. >> >>-- >>William Hooper > > > I noticed that for some reason the four RPM files were all 5896 bytes. I > cleaned out /var/spool/up2date and tried again and this time the files > downloaded and installed properly (and were bigger, of course). I have no > idea what happened. > I had the same problem with the same rpms that you mentioned. I just checked the file sizes and they were 5896 also. I checked the two files with mc viewer and they gave the same doctype error message that up2date gave. I updated early this morning Jim -- It is the wise bird who builds his nest in a tree. From redhat-jc at insight.rr.com Sun Oct 26 03:43:56 2003 From: redhat-jc at insight.rr.com (Jim Cornette) Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 23:43:56 -0400 Subject: Ctrl-Alt-Backspace Problem In-Reply-To: <1067139511.8571.3.camel@ripley> References: <1067139511.8571.3.camel@ripley> Message-ID: <3F9B42FC.6040504@insight.rr.com> Ben Steeves wrote: > On Sat, 2003-10-25 at 22:10, Steven Mackay wrote: > >>OK I'm a relative newbie so excuse any stupidity on my part. >> >>I have an Athlon XP 2400+ and when I press Ctrl-Alt-Backspace instead of >>restarting X11 I get an immediate shutdown (instant power off) > > > I have the same problem -- my machine goes into hibernation mode when I > use Ctrl-Alt-Del. I have all the power management features in my BIOS > turned off, so I'm not sure what causes this behavior. I'm using an ECS > K7S5A motherboard and an Athlon 1800+. > > It only started happening since I installed Fedora Core Test 2. > Previous to that I was using RH9 -- FCT2 was a clean install. > What about making the start here (windoze key) log one out instead of killing X suddenly? Jim From ryanpg at yahoo.com Sun Oct 26 03:54:55 2003 From: ryanpg at yahoo.com (Ryan G.) Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 20:54:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: mystery crashing nautilus solved In-Reply-To: <20031025001101.27128.10292.Mailman@listman.back-rdu.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20031026035455.84927.qmail@web10001.mail.yahoo.com> Hi, While trying to find out why up2date was hanging I found out what was killing nautilus. The offending package is librsvg2 (and librsvg2-devel). Installing these results in a broken nautilus AND an un-working gdm for me. Icons become nifty little red X's. Somethings wrong with them anyway (dependencies can't be solved) so just don't update those packages and you'll be fine. Have fun, -ry ===== --r-- From redhat-jc at insight.rr.com Sun Oct 26 04:32:40 2003 From: redhat-jc at insight.rr.com (Jim Cornette) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 00:32:40 -0400 Subject: Rawhide package problems In-Reply-To: <3F9B4257.3000307@insight.rr.com> References: <200310251739.h9PHdVf05774@garfield.bwh.harvard.edu> <3F9B4257.3000307@insight.rr.com> Message-ID: <3F9B4E68.3060103@insight.rr.com> Jim Cornette wrote: > Andre Robatino wrote: > >>> Andre Robatino said: >>> >>>> The following four packages from this morning were improperly built >>>> and >>>> can't be installed. >>>> >>>> [andre at localhost up2date]$ rpm -qpi >>>> redhat-config-network-1.3.8-1.noarch.rpm >>>> error: open of >>> [andre at localhost up2date]$ rpm -qpi >>>> redhat-config-network-tui-1.3.8-1.noarch.rpm >>>> error: open of >>> [andre at localhost up2date]$ rpm -qpi >>>> redhat-config-services-0.8.5-23.noarch.rpm error: open of >>> failed: No such file or directory >>>> [andre at localhost up2date]$ rpm -qpi xinitrc-3.35-1.noarch.rpm >>>> error: open of >>> [andre at localhost up2date]$ >>> >>> >>> Maybe you got bad downloads? I just downloaded and tested those for and >>> the work for me. >>> >>> -- >>> William Hooper >> >> >> >> I noticed that for some reason the four RPM files were all 5896 >> bytes. I >> cleaned out /var/spool/up2date and tried again and this time the files >> downloaded and installed properly (and were bigger, of course). I >> have no >> idea what happened. >> > > I had the same problem with the same rpms that you mentioned. I just > checked the file sizes and they were 5896 also. > > I checked the two files with mc viewer and they gave the same doctype > error message that up2date gave. > > I updated early this morning > > Jim > Also, after booting into my updated version of test3, there were some inodes removed from /boot1 LABELed drive. There were about 4 inodes that needed to be corrected. I don't know if this problem is related to the updates, my washed out message from /boot1 or just a failing drive. This isn't normal behavior for this system. The files looked alright on the partition. Lost + found is empty. Jim -- It was one of those perfect summer days -- the sun was shining, a breeze was blowing, the birds were singing, and the lawn mower was broken ... --- James Dent From glass-art at comcast.net Sun Oct 26 05:02:25 2003 From: glass-art at comcast.net (Clifford Snow) Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 22:02:25 -0700 Subject: mystery crashing nautilus solved In-Reply-To: <20031026035455.84927.qmail@web10001.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20031026035455.84927.qmail@web10001.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1067144545.13005.3.camel@blue.comcast.net> On Sat, 2003-10-25 at 20:54, Ryan G. wrote: > Hi, > > While trying to find out why up2date was hanging I found out what was > killing nautilus. The offending package is librsvg2 (and > librsvg2-devel). Installing these results in a broken nautilus AND an > un-working gdm for me. Icons become nifty little red X's. > > Somethings wrong with them anyway (dependencies can't be solved) so > just don't update those packages and you'll be fine. What version of librsvg2 do you have? The latest is 2.4.0-3. -- Clifford Snow glass-art at comcast.net -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From mharris at redhat.com Sun Oct 26 09:13:41 2003 From: mharris at redhat.com (Mike A. Harris) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 04:13:41 -0500 (EST) Subject: Ctrl-Alt-Backspace Problem In-Reply-To: <3F9B42FC.6040504@insight.rr.com> References: <1067139511.8571.3.camel@ripley> <3F9B42FC.6040504@insight.rr.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 25 Oct 2003, Jim Cornette wrote: >> It only started happening since I installed Fedora Core Test 2. >> Previous to that I was using RH9 -- FCT2 was a clean install. > >What about making the start here (windoze key) log one out instead of >killing X suddenly? Yeah, that would be absolutely wonderful reaching for the ALT key, hitting Winkey and getting logged out. There'd be a lot of keyboards with that key ripped off of them shortly after. Not quite as annoying as this annoying beep at login by default though. -- Mike A. Harris ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris OS Systems Engineer - XFree86 maintainer - Red Hat From pboy at barkhof.uni-bremen.de Sun Oct 26 10:24:54 2003 From: pboy at barkhof.uni-bremen.de (Peter Boy) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 11:24:54 +0100 Subject: mystery crashing nautilus solved In-Reply-To: <20031026035455.84927.qmail@web10001.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20031026035455.84927.qmail@web10001.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1067163894.5701.11.camel@ibmLaptop.athome.de> Am So, den 26.10.2003 schrieb Ryan G. um 04:54: > While trying to find out why up2date was hanging You may check https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=107921 and add your comments. Peter From pboy at barkhof.uni-bremen.de Sun Oct 26 10:25:10 2003 From: pboy at barkhof.uni-bremen.de (Peter Boy) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 11:25:10 +0100 Subject: mystery crashing nautilus solved In-Reply-To: <1067144545.13005.3.camel@blue.comcast.net> References: <20031026035455.84927.qmail@web10001.mail.yahoo.com> <1067144545.13005.3.camel@blue.comcast.net> Message-ID: <1067163910.5701.14.camel@ibmLaptop.athome.de> Am So, den 26.10.2003 schrieb Clifford Snow um 06:02: > > [snip] The offending package is librsvg2 (and > > librsvg2-devel). Installing these results in a broken nautilus AND an > > un-working gdm for me. Icons become nifty little red X's. > > What version of librsvg2 do you have? The latest is 2.4.0-3. The problem was in librsvg2-2.4.0-2 and is fixed in version librsvg2-2.4.0-3, which is currently on rawhide. See: http://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=107875 > From felipe_alfaro at linuxmail.org Sun Oct 26 10:22:35 2003 From: felipe_alfaro at linuxmail.org (Felipe Alfaro Solana) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 11:22:35 +0100 Subject: RFT: openoffice.org tweaks to speed up startup In-Reply-To: <20031025041425.W2097@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <20031025041425.W2097@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1067163754.864.3.camel@teapot.felipe-alfaro.com> On Sat, 2003-10-25 at 10:14, Jakub Jelinek wrote: > > I've done some tweaks to OO.o to make it more prelink-friendly > (and thus to start up faster). > ftp://people.redhat.com/jakub/openoffice.org/ > contains openoffice.org-1.1.0-3.1 package, with 2 differences > against 1.1.0-3 in rawhide: Using soffice3.bin makes loading OpenOffice.org considerable faster than standard OO.org for the very first time (it has to load a ton of .so files from disk). Loading OO.org for a second time is nearly instantaneous, taking less than 1 or 2 seconds. Good work! From mingo at redhat.com Sun Oct 26 10:33:44 2003 From: mingo at redhat.com (Ingo Molnar) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 05:33:44 -0500 (EST) Subject: Scheduler, responsiveness In-Reply-To: <01L27LPBUZZO0032CL@rcum.uni-mb.si> Message-ID: On Fri, 24 Oct 2003, DAVID BALAZIC wrote: > I installed fedora test3 ( athlon kernel , vesa X11 driver ) and went to > install UT2003. It basically reads fles from the CD, decompresses them > and saves them to the hard drive. > > During the procedure, the system was very sluggish, sometimes the GUI > appeared frozen for several seconds. is DMA enabled or disabled for the CD-ROM? (hdparm -d /dev/cdrom) Ingo From kaboom at gatech.edu Sun Oct 26 12:28:45 2003 From: kaboom at gatech.edu (Chris Ricker) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 07:28:45 -0500 (EST) Subject: lilo vs grub In-Reply-To: <3F997E7C.6010604@cypress.com> References: <3F931F56.4050400@bol.com.br> <20031020165549.GC12274@rednote.net> <1066708062.2070.5.camel@bettie.internal.frields.org> <200310210941.13704.tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie> <3F997E7C.6010604@cypress.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 24 Oct 2003, Thomas Dodd wrote: > > > Chris Ricker wrote: > > grub has that feature, it's just poorly documented and complicated to use > > > > grub> savedefault --default=# --once > > > > makes # the default for the next boot only > > Ok Chris (or Jeremy). > > I have linux, Win98(for my son's games), and memtest86 entried in > grub.con and lilo.conf > > With lilo, if I want to boot win98: > # lilo -R win98; reboot > > To check memory: > # lilo -R memtest;shutdown > > How do I do these with grub? Assuming a grub.conf with three stanzas: title linux ... title win98 ... title memtest ... you'd do something like # grub (probes for a bit, then displays a prompt) grub> (at this prompt, enter the command) grub> savedefault --default=2 --once grub> quit Here, the first stanza (linux, in my example) is 0 (--default=0), the second is 1, the third is 2, so the above command should make memtest the default next time only There's also a --batch option to the grub command which will let you automate it a bit.... later, chris From p.van.egdom at chello.nl Sun Oct 26 12:38:52 2003 From: p.van.egdom at chello.nl (Peter van Egdom) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 13:38:52 +0100 Subject: RFT: openoffice.org tweaks to speed up startup In-Reply-To: <20031025041425.W2097@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <20031025041425.W2097@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1067171932.3861.30.camel@powermate.chello.nl> Hello, I tried the "openoffice.org-1.1.0-3.1" version available from ftp://people.redhat.com/jakub/openoffice.org/ and did some unscientific benchmarking. I used the "time" command to benchmark the loading of OpenOffice.org Writer. Each time Writer had completed loading I (as quickly as I could) quit Writer. After this I started Writer a second time to see how the caching mechanism of Linux influenced startup time. My system is a Intel Pentium 4 CPU 2.40GHz with 512 MB and my operating system is Fedora Core release 0.95 with prelink-0.3.0-8 and kernel-2.4.22-1.2088.nptl.src.rpm. First, here are some numbers with the original (Fedora Core release 0.95) "openoffice.org-1.1.0-2" : Fresh reboot (in KDE) --------------------- 1st. startup (from konsole : "time oowriter") real 0m12.172s user 0m2.540s sys 0m0.220s 2nd. startup (from konsole : "time oowriter") real 0m5.021s user 0m2.490s sys 0m0.170s I then de-installed the old openoffice.org and installed openoffice.org-1.1.0-3.1 along with db4-4.1.25-13 from Rawhide (which was a dependency for this build of openoffice.org). And here are some numbers with the new build (openoffice.org-1.1.0-3.1). Benchmark with soffice1.bin : ("ln -sf soffice1.bin /usr/lib/openoffice/program/soffice.bin") Fresh reboot (in KDE) --------------------- 1st. startup (from konsole : "time oowriter") real 0m12.573s user 0m3.420s sys 0m0.430s 2nd. startup (from konsole : "time oowriter") real 0m5.359s user 0m2.450s sys 0m0.190s Benchmark with soffice2.bin : ("ln -sf soffice2.bin /usr/lib/openoffice/program/soffice.bin") Fresh reboot (in KDE) --------------------- 1st. startup (from konsole : "time oowriter") real 0m10.387s user 0m1.380s sys 0m0.200s 2nd. startup (from konsole : "time oowriter") real 0m3.639s user 0m1.330s sys 0m0.130s Benchmark with soffice3.bin : ("ln -sf soffice3.bin /usr/lib/openoffice/program/soffice.bin") Fresh reboot (in KDE) --------------------- 1st. startup (from konsole : "time oowriter") real 0m9.882s user 0m1.290s sys 0m0.200s 2nd. startup (from konsole : "time oowriter") real 0m3.675s user 0m1.320s sys 0m0.140s It seems that with the tweaks Jakub did to OpenOffice.org the startup time has decreased with a few seconds on my machine, which is nice. ps. I see some errors in "/var/log/prelink.log" : Prelinking /usr/lib/openoffice/program/getstyle-gnome /usr/sbin/prelink: /usr/lib/openoffice/program/getstyle-gnome: Not enough room to add .dynamic entry Prelinking /usr/lib/openoffice/program/msgbox-gnome /usr/sbin/prelink: /usr/lib/openoffice/program/msgbox-gnome: Not enough room to add .dynamic entry Op za 25-10-2003, om 10:14 schreef Jakub Jelinek: > Hi! > > I've done some tweaks to OO.o to make it more prelink-friendly > (and thus to start up faster). > ftp://people.redhat.com/jakub/openoffice.org/ > contains openoffice.org-1.1.0-3.1 package, with 2 differences > against 1.1.0-3 in rawhide: > > 1) there are 3 variants of the /usr/lib/openoffice/program/soffice.bin > binary (the actual OOo program), soffice.bin is a symlink to one of > them: > soffice1.bin should be the same as soffice.bin in 1.1.0-3 > soffice2.bin instead indirectly links against another > 40 libraries > which are ALWAYS dlopened when soffice starts > soffice3.bin is like soffice2.bin, but unlike soffice2.bin, it has > all DT_NEEDED tags directly in the binary, while > soffice2.bin is just crt files and all the binary's > code plus most of the DT_NEEDED tags moved to > new shared library Regards, -- Peter van Egdom From kaboom at gatech.edu Sun Oct 26 12:52:49 2003 From: kaboom at gatech.edu (Chris Ricker) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 07:52:49 -0500 (EST) Subject: Rawhide package problems In-Reply-To: <200310251644.h9PGiAC05414@garfield.bwh.harvard.edu> References: <200310251644.h9PGiAC05414@garfield.bwh.harvard.edu> Message-ID: On Sat, 25 Oct 2003, Andre Robatino wrote: > The following four packages from this morning were improperly built and > can't be installed. > > [andre at localhost up2date]$ rpm -qpi redhat-config-network-1.3.8-1.noarch.rpm > error: open of [andre at localhost up2date]$ rpm -qpi redhat-config-network-tui-1.3.8-1.noarch.rpm > error: open of [andre at localhost up2date]$ rpm -qpi redhat-config-services-0.8.5-23.noarch.rpm error: open of [andre at localhost up2date]$ rpm -qpi xinitrc-3.35-1.noarch.rpm > error: open of [andre at localhost up2date]$ You got corrupted downloads. All of those packages are usable here. later, chris From roger at gwch.net Sun Oct 26 15:13:19 2003 From: roger at gwch.net (Grosswiler Roger) Date: 26 Oct 2003 16:13:19 +0100 Subject: Mouse - strange bevaviour Message-ID: <1067181198.2750.4.camel@niobe> Hello all, i have a compaq proliant with a micorsoft intellimouse ps/2-style rev. 1.2A. While installing, i had no mouse at all - so no problem, lets install it later. So, when i finished installing and rebooted the machine, i could move the mouse - until the moment, my server entered in runlevel 5 (from the screenwhere you see your services starting.) No problem, i thought, taking redhat-config-mouse, changing onto the mentionned mouse, should work....was quite positive thinking as it does not work at all. But why, why, why, did the mouse work while booting the machine from the first gui-screen until the launch of runlevel-specific services??? Any help is very, very appreciated. BTW. gui looks even nice.... Cheers, Roger From tadejjanez at email.si Sun Oct 26 14:20:10 2003 From: tadejjanez at email.si (Tadej =?iso-8859-2?Q?Jane=BE?=) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 15:20:10 +0100 Subject: Slovene language In-Reply-To: <01L27OKCL3PE0033MM@rcum.uni-mb.si> References: <01L27OKCL3PE0033MM@rcum.uni-mb.si> Message-ID: <1067178010.6381.12.camel@n800v-severn2> On Fri, 2003-10-24 at 16:15, DAVID BALAZIC wrote: > I noticed that Slovene is again selectable as an install language, after > it was removed in some previous releases ( RHL 9 , maybe sooner, maybe later ). > > Does that mean that it is supported and I can report all the related bugs, > like missing/bad translations ? Pozdravljen, David! Mislim, da bi bilo najbolje, ??e bi pripombe glede prevodov poslal na LUGOSovo mailing-listo lugos-slo at lugos.si, saj bodo tam verjetno dele??ne ve??je pozornosti. Koordinator slovenskih prevajalcev Red Hat Linuxa oz. sedaj Fedore je Roman Maurer (roman.maurer at hermes.si). Trenutno stanje prevodov pa lahko vidi?? na spletni strani http://carolina.mff.cuni.cz/~trmac/fedora-i18n.html LP, Tadej > Regards, > David Balazic From dennis at ausil.us Sun Oct 26 14:24:41 2003 From: dennis at ausil.us (Dennis Gilmore) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 00:24:41 +1000 Subject: Slovene language In-Reply-To: <1067178010.6381.12.camel@n800v-severn2> References: <01L27OKCL3PE0033MM@rcum.uni-mb.si> <1067178010.6381.12.camel@n800v-severn2> Message-ID: <200310270024.43410.dennis@ausil.us> Once upon a time at band camp Mon, 27 Oct 2003 12:20 am, Tadej Jane? wrote: > On Fri, 2003-10-24 at 16:15, DAVID BALAZIC wrote: > > I noticed that Slovene is again selectable as an install language, after > > it was removed in some previous releases ( RHL 9 , maybe sooner, maybe > > later ). > > > > Does that mean that it is supported and I can report all the related > > bugs, like missing/bad translations ? > > Pozdravljen, David! > > Mislim, da bi bilo najbolje, ?e bi pripombe glede prevodov poslal na > LUGOSovo mailing-listo lugos-slo at lugos.si, saj bodo tam verjetno dele?ne > ve?je pozornosti. > > Koordinator slovenskih prevajalcev Red Hat Linuxa oz. sedaj Fedore je > Roman Maurer (roman.maurer at hermes.si). > Trenutno stanje prevodov pa lahko vidi? na spletni strani > http://carolina.mff.cuni.cz/~trmac/fedora-i18n.html > Dont want to sound rude but this is an english list and it would be appreciated by all if you use english when posting to the list in future Dennis From mharris at redhat.com Sun Oct 26 14:31:51 2003 From: mharris at redhat.com (Mike A. Harris) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 09:31:51 -0500 (EST) Subject: Mouse - strange bevaviour In-Reply-To: <1067181198.2750.4.camel@niobe> References: <1067181198.2750.4.camel@niobe> Message-ID: On Sun, 26 Oct 2003, Grosswiler Roger wrote: >i have a compaq proliant with a micorsoft intellimouse ps/2-style rev. >1.2A. > >While installing, i had no mouse at all - so no problem, lets install it >later. > >So, when i finished installing and rebooted the machine, i could move >the mouse - until the moment, my server entered in runlevel 5 (from the >screenwhere you see your services starting.) > >No problem, i thought, taking redhat-config-mouse, changing onto the >mentionned mouse, should work....was quite positive thinking as it does >not work at all. > >But why, why, why, did the mouse work while booting the machine from the >first gui-screen until the launch of runlevel-specific services??? > >Any help is very, very appreciated. > >BTW. gui looks even nice.... Try disabling graphical boot. My guess is that it is interfering with hardware autodetection. -- Mike A. Harris ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris OS Systems Engineer - XFree86 maintainer - Red Hat From nsilva-list at aoi.atari-source.com Sun Oct 26 14:35:40 2003 From: nsilva-list at aoi.atari-source.com (Noah Silva [Mailing list]) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 09:35:40 -0500 (EST) Subject: Gnome splash screen won't die? Message-ID: Hi, Right now when I log in, the gnome splash screen never goes away. I am going to experiment with the failsae session and a few othter things to see what I can figure out. I remember hearing something similar to this (that it stayed for a long time, actually) on the list eons ago, but am not sure if this is related. What usually triggers the box to close? thanks, noah silva From chrisw01 at privatei.com Sun Oct 26 14:35:49 2003 From: chrisw01 at privatei.com (Christopher A. Williams) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 07:35:49 -0700 Subject: mystery crashing nautilus solved In-Reply-To: <20031026035455.84927.qmail@web10001.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20031026035455.84927.qmail@web10001.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1067178949.10031.18.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> On Sat, 2003-10-25 at 21:54, Ryan G. wrote: > Hi, > > While trying to find out why up2date was hanging I found out what was > killing nautilus. The offending package is librsvg2 (and > librsvg2-devel). Installing these results in a broken nautilus AND an > un-working gdm for me. Icons become nifty little red X's. > > Somethings wrong with them anyway (dependencies can't be solved) so > just don't update those packages and you'll be fine. The new versions of librsvg2 and librsvg2-devel (version 2.4.0-3) that came out with yesterday's update fix the problem. ...At least that fixed it for me. Cheers, Chris -- ==================================== "If you get to thinkin' you're a person of some influence, try orderin' someone else's dog around." --Cowboy Wisdom From aoliva at redhat.com Sun Oct 26 14:40:21 2003 From: aoliva at redhat.com (Alexandre Oliva) Date: 26 Oct 2003 12:40:21 -0200 Subject: Slovene language In-Reply-To: <200310270024.43410.dennis@ausil.us> References: <01L27OKCL3PE0033MM@rcum.uni-mb.si> <1067178010.6381.12.camel@n800v-severn2> <200310270024.43410.dennis@ausil.us> Message-ID: On Oct 26, 2003, Dennis Gilmore wrote: > Once upon a time at band camp Mon, 27 Oct 2003 12:20 am, Tadej Jane? wrote: >> Pozdravljen, David! > Dont want to sound rude but this is an english list and it would be > appreciated by all if you use english when posting to the list in future If nobody minded when a few people carried an entire conversation in Spanish here (or was it another Fedora list?), why is Slovene a problem? -- Alexandre Oliva Enjoy Guarana', see http://www.ic.unicamp.br/~oliva/ Red Hat GCC Developer aoliva@{redhat.com, gcc.gnu.org} CS PhD student at IC-Unicamp oliva@{lsd.ic.unicamp.br, gnu.org} Free Software Evangelist Professional serial bug killer From tadejjanez at email.si Sun Oct 26 14:50:49 2003 From: tadejjanez at email.si (Tadej =?iso-8859-2?Q?Jane=BE?=) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 15:50:49 +0100 Subject: Slovene language In-Reply-To: <200310270024.43410.dennis@ausil.us> References: <01L27OKCL3PE0033MM@rcum.uni-mb.si> <1067178010.6381.12.camel@n800v-severn2> <200310270024.43410.dennis@ausil.us> Message-ID: <1067179849.6381.32.camel@n800v-severn2> On Sun, 2003-10-26 at 15:24, Dennis Gilmore wrote: > > > Dont want to sound rude but this is an english list and it would be > appreciated by all if you use english when posting to the list in future > I don't want to sound picky but where exactly does it state that this is an english-only mailing-list. Anyway, since I was only referring to a slovenian translation issue, I don't think I mattered whether I was using english or slovene language since the intended audience would understand both. Best regards, Tadej > Dennis From mharris at redhat.com Sun Oct 26 15:09:46 2003 From: mharris at redhat.com (Mike A. Harris) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 10:09:46 -0500 (EST) Subject: Slovene language In-Reply-To: References: <01L27OKCL3PE0033MM@rcum.uni-mb.si> <1067178010.6381.12.camel@n800v-severn2> <200310270024.43410.dennis@ausil.us> Message-ID: On Sun, 26 Oct 2003, Alexandre Oliva wrote: >> Once upon a time at band camp Mon, 27 Oct 2003 12:20 am, Tadej Jane? wrote: >>> Pozdravljen, David! > >> Dont want to sound rude but this is an english list and it would be >> appreciated by all if you use english when posting to the list in future > >If nobody minded when a few people carried an entire conversation in >Spanish here (or was it another Fedora list?), why is Slovene a >problem? It is common courtesy and convention to discuss matters in the defacto language of any given mailing list, or IRC channel, etc. It may not be stated explicitly anywhere, but it's just understood good common courtesy. People who don't speak or understand another language don't want to be bombarded with 100 emails written in foreign languages. If there is sufficient demand for a given mailing list to have non-english content, I'm sure we could arrange to have foo-international-list@, etc. developed. I can't speak for others, nor for this particular list's official policy as I don't maintain this list, but if I am on any given mailing list where the mandated (or defacto) language is English (and that's the only type of list I'd be on), and there were sufficient email coming through in other random languages without moderator intervention, I'd just unsubscribe from the list than get what amounts in my eyes to being nothing more than spam. If someone can't write in English, they should use a translation service, so that the hundreds or thousands of English only speakers present on a list can all understand it and potentially offer advise. Others may very well disagree with this opinion, but if so, please do so in English so that I can understand your disagreement at least, and so I don't have to go and unsubscribe from this list and seek one in a language I understand. -- Mike A. Harris ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris OS Systems Engineer - XFree86 maintainer - Red Hat From res0p1ia at verizon.net Sun Oct 26 15:10:17 2003 From: res0p1ia at verizon.net (Mike Faire) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 07:10:17 -0800 Subject: Daylight savings time missed by test3 Message-ID: <200310260710.17282.res0p1ia@verizon.net> My lan server is running RedHat 8.0 and it set it's clock back by an hour automatically. Fedora Test 3 did not. Is anyone else seeing this? Is this worthy of a bug report? Mike From paul at frields.com Sun Oct 26 15:19:02 2003 From: paul at frields.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 10:19:02 -0500 Subject: Daylight savings time missed by test3 In-Reply-To: <200310260710.17282.res0p1ia@verizon.net> References: <200310260710.17282.res0p1ia@verizon.net> Message-ID: <1067181542.1207.0.camel@bettie.internal.frields.org> On Sun, 2003-10-26 at 10:10, Mike Faire wrote: > My lan server is running RedHat 8.0 and it set it's clock back by > an hour automatically. Fedora Test 3 did not. > > Is anyone else seeing this? > Is this worthy of a bug report? Worked fine here, FWIW. -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE From chrisw01 at privatei.com Sun Oct 26 15:20:37 2003 From: chrisw01 at privatei.com (Christopher A. Williams) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 08:20:37 -0700 Subject: Daylight savings time missed by test3 In-Reply-To: <200310260710.17282.res0p1ia@verizon.net> References: <200310260710.17282.res0p1ia@verizon.net> Message-ID: <1067181637.10351.0.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> On Sun, 2003-10-26 at 08:10, Mike Faire wrote: > My lan server is running RedHat 8.0 and it set it's clock back by > an hour automatically. Fedora Test 3 did not. > > Is anyone else seeing this? > Is this worthy of a bug report? > I was up anyway (too much coffee...). I did notice that my system switched automatically with no issues. Cheers, Chris -- ==================================== "If you get to thinkin' you're a person of some influence, try orderin' someone else's dog around." --Cowboy Wisdom From ojgbagg27ab at msn.com Sun Oct 26 15:21:07 2003 From: ojgbagg27ab at msn.com (alton bailey) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 10:21:07 -0500 Subject: Daylight savings time missed by test3 Message-ID: use thr time server from redhat clock.redhat.com >From: Mike Faire >Reply-To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com >To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com >Subject: Daylight savings time missed by test3 >Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 07:10:17 -0800 > >My lan server is running RedHat 8.0 and it set it's clock back by >an hour automatically. Fedora Test 3 did not. > >Is anyone else seeing this? >Is this worthy of a bug report? > >Mike > > >-- >fedora-test-list mailing list >fedora-test-list at redhat.com >http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list _________________________________________________________________ Cheer a special someone with a fun Halloween eCard from American Greetings! Go to http://www.msn.americangreetings.com/index_msn.pd?source=msne134 From paul at frields.com Sun Oct 26 15:24:30 2003 From: paul at frields.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 10:24:30 -0500 Subject: "Random" lockup Message-ID: <1067181870.1207.6.camel@bettie.internal.frields.org> Saw this in kernel 2097, eliminated in 2105 apparently (right after I started noticing it), now happening again in 2108. KT133a (Iwill KK266), Athlon Tbird 1.4GHz, no taint (standard "nv" X driver). All RPM's current to rawhide as of today. After a few hours away, I come back to the machine and can't get the monitor out of power saving mode. Can't switch to another vt; SysRq does not work either. No keyboard "oops" lights. Has this happened to anyone else? -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE From res0p1ia at verizon.net Sun Oct 26 15:24:53 2003 From: res0p1ia at verizon.net (Mike Faire) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 07:24:53 -0800 Subject: Daylight savings time missed by test3 In-Reply-To: <1067181637.10351.0.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> References: <200310260710.17282.res0p1ia@verizon.net> <1067181637.10351.0.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> Message-ID: <200310260724.53462.res0p1ia@verizon.net> On Sunday 26 October 2003 07:20, Christopher A. Williams wrote: > I was up anyway (too much coffee...). I did notice that my system > switched automatically with no issues. > > Cheers, > > Chris > > Worked fine here, FWIW. -- > Paul W. Frields, RHCE Thanks guys, has to be a configuration issue in my machine, I'll go digging. Mike From chrisw01 at privatei.com Sun Oct 26 15:39:30 2003 From: chrisw01 at privatei.com (Christopher A. Williams) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 08:39:30 -0700 Subject: Posting in Non-English (Was: Slovene language) In-Reply-To: References: <01L27OKCL3PE0033MM@rcum.uni-mb.si> <1067178010.6381.12.camel@n800v-severn2> <200310270024.43410.dennis@ausil.us> Message-ID: <1067182770.10351.20.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> On Sun, 2003-10-26 at 08:09, Mike A. Harris wrote: > On Sun, 26 Oct 2003, Alexandre Oliva wrote: > > >> Once upon a time at band camp Mon, 27 Oct 2003 12:20 am, Tadej Jane? wrote: > >>> Pozdravljen, David! > > > >> Dont want to sound rude but this is an english list and it would be > >> appreciated by all if you use english when posting to the list in future > > > >If nobody minded when a few people carried an entire conversation in > >Spanish here (or was it another Fedora list?), why is Slovene a > >problem? > > > It is common courtesy and convention to discuss matters in the > defacto language of any given mailing list, or IRC channel, etc. > It may not be stated explicitly anywhere, but it's just > understood good common courtesy. > As someone who is multi-lingual (I know that may seem odd for an American to some, but deal with it), I do agree it is common courtesy as well to use the de-facto language of a list. That applies even to translation issues. Besides, posting in another language limits you - how can you be so certain that someone who doesn't speak that other language can't help you anyway? You just never know. I think this possibly a hot button to some because people sometimes use other languages to communicate inappropriate things. For example, it's not evident to people whose native languages I speak that I do understand. This has led to a few embarrassing situations when people said things in my presence that, frankly, they had no business saying... Cheers, Chris -- ==================================== "If you get to thinkin' you're a person of some influence, try orderin' someone else's dog around." --Cowboy Wisdom From fedora at warmcat.com Sun Oct 26 15:47:21 2003 From: fedora at warmcat.com (Andy Green) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 16:47:21 +0100 Subject: "Random" lockup In-Reply-To: <1067181870.1207.6.camel@bettie.internal.frields.org> References: <1067181870.1207.6.camel@bettie.internal.frields.org> Message-ID: <200310261547.21802.fedora@warmcat.com> On Sunday 26 October 2003 15:24, Paul W. Frields wrote: > Saw this in kernel 2097, eliminated in 2105 apparently (right after I > started noticing it), now happening again in 2108. KT133a (Iwill KK266), > Athlon Tbird 1.4GHz, no taint (standard "nv" X driver). All RPM's > current to rawhide as of today. > > After a few hours away, I come back to the machine and can't get the > monitor out of power saving mode. Can't switch to another vt; SysRq does > not work either. No keyboard "oops" lights. Has this happened to anyone > else? Yes... however I am running the evil nvidia driver in twinview so I assumed it was something to do with that. This machine is up 24hrs, its always come up from dpms screen powerdown in the mornings, maybe its not the same problem. My problem seems to be associated with another rightclick bug -- in several apps (even in VMware) right-clicking seems to scroll the page being clicked by a random amount. This is synaptics X driver, never seen this behaviour before tho. No chance that the scroll is physical because the button is away from the touchpad surface and so is my finger at that time. Twice now I have been working away, moved the mouse cursor to an item, then rightclicked for a context menu ... and bam, machine stiffed, no panic lights, no caps lock action, no nuffin. Power cycle is the only way out. I swapped out the SDRAM since I noticed this due to an upgrade and it made no difference. Just an extra datum point, I know its tainted. -Andy From rainer.traut at epost.de Sun Oct 26 15:48:00 2003 From: rainer.traut at epost.de (Rainer Traut) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 16:48:00 +0100 Subject: Daylight savings time missed by test3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3F9BECB0.10407@epost.de> Hi, will the clock be set to the right time only if I have configured ntpd? Rainer alton bailey wrote: > use thr time server from redhat clock.redhat.com > >> >> My lan server is running RedHat 8.0 and it set it's clock back by >> an hour automatically. Fedora Test 3 did not. >> >> Is anyone else seeing this? >> Is this worthy of a bug report? >> >> Mike From nbirchler at earthlink.net Sun Oct 26 15:48:56 2003 From: nbirchler at earthlink.net (Neil Birchler) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 09:48:56 -0600 Subject: gnome-panel (does havoc read this list? ;-) In-Reply-To: <1067008375.7503.109.camel@poincare.devel.redhat.com> References: <20031024143232.11185.qmail@web10010.mail.yahoo.com> <1067008375.7503.109.camel@poincare.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1067183336.5792.0.camel@tower.steins.net> > > I'm trying to determine if this is a gnome thing or a fedora > > thing or a ME thing. I'm asking for feedback from fedora users. Since > > no one else has responded affirming or denying these problems, I'm > > guessing this is MY problem not redhat OR gnome's. drawers are working fine on my install. From roger at gwch.net Sun Oct 26 13:47:33 2003 From: roger at gwch.net (Grosswiler Roger) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 14:47:33 +0100 Subject: AW: Mouse - strange bevaviour In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000001c39bc7$b5ba2ba0$0500000a@agentsmith> I'll try this....but howto? I was looking for redhat-config-boot...and didn't find... -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fedora-test-list-admin at redhat.com [mailto:fedora-test-list-admin at redhat.com] Im Auftrag von Mike A. Harris Gesendet: Sonntag, 26. Oktober 2003 15:32 An: fedora-test-list at redhat.com Betreff: Re: Mouse - strange bevaviour On Sun, 26 Oct 2003, Grosswiler Roger wrote: >i have a compaq proliant with a micorsoft intellimouse ps/2-style rev. >1.2A. > >While installing, i had no mouse at all - so no problem, lets install it >later. > >So, when i finished installing and rebooted the machine, i could move >the mouse - until the moment, my server entered in runlevel 5 (from the >screenwhere you see your services starting.) > >No problem, i thought, taking redhat-config-mouse, changing onto the >mentionned mouse, should work....was quite positive thinking as it does >not work at all. > >But why, why, why, did the mouse work while booting the machine from the >first gui-screen until the launch of runlevel-specific services??? > >Any help is very, very appreciated. > >BTW. gui looks even nice.... Try disabling graphical boot. My guess is that it is interfering with hardware autodetection. -- Mike A. Harris ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris OS Systems Engineer - XFree86 maintainer - Red Hat -- fedora-test-list mailing list fedora-test-list at redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From kaboom at gatech.edu Sun Oct 26 16:04:05 2003 From: kaboom at gatech.edu (Chris Ricker) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 11:04:05 -0500 (EST) Subject: Daylight savings time missed by test3 In-Reply-To: <200310260710.17282.res0p1ia@verizon.net> References: <200310260710.17282.res0p1ia@verizon.net> Message-ID: On Sun, 26 Oct 2003, Mike Faire wrote: > My lan server is running RedHat 8.0 and it set it's clock back by > an hour automatically. Fedora Test 3 did not. My laptop running fedora 0.95 switched correctly from MDT to MST, but didn't set the time back an hour. It wasn't on at 2:00 am this morning though, so it might just have been a BIOS clock issue.... later, chris From mharris at redhat.com Sun Oct 26 16:07:28 2003 From: mharris at redhat.com (Mike A. Harris) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 11:07:28 -0500 (EST) Subject: Daylight savings time missed by test3 In-Reply-To: <200310260710.17282.res0p1ia@verizon.net> References: <200310260710.17282.res0p1ia@verizon.net> Message-ID: On Sun, 26 Oct 2003, Mike Faire wrote: >My lan server is running RedHat 8.0 and it set it's clock back by >an hour automatically. Fedora Test 3 did not. Most likely your system isn't configured to automatically adjust for daylight savings time. >Is anyone else seeing this? Not according to a bugzilla query. ;o) >Is this worthy of a bug report? Not unless you can reproduce it again after making sure that the system is properly configured to adjust for daylight savings time (presumeably by setting the time back a day or so to just before DST kicks in, and then letting it roll over). If it can be reproduced at will, and nobody else can explain any good reason why it is doing that, then I'd consider it bugzilla material. But I suspect we'd receive hundreds of bug reports if this were the case, so it's important that others can reproduce it also. -- Mike A. Harris ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris OS Systems Engineer - XFree86 maintainer - Red Hat From mharris at redhat.com Sun Oct 26 16:13:39 2003 From: mharris at redhat.com (Mike A. Harris) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 11:13:39 -0500 (EST) Subject: Daylight savings time missed by test3 In-Reply-To: <3F9BECB0.10407@epost.de> References: <3F9BECB0.10407@epost.de> Message-ID: On Sun, 26 Oct 2003, Rainer Traut wrote: >will the clock be set to the right time only if I have configured ntpd? No, I'm not sure why the poster suggested using Red Hat's NTP server as daylight savings time adjustment is a completely separate issue as to wether or not you use NTP. I don't use NTP server, and my clock automatically set itself back an hour at DST time. I'm not using Red Hat NTP server either, and NTP isn't really relevant to the problem. That being said, on a completely separate note, it is a good idea to use NTP for clock synchronization to ensure your clock doesn't skew too much over time. I recommend using a minimum of 3 (or more) time servers which are Internet close (as opposed to geographically close). Using only a single time server is not that reliable because if that time server goes out of whack for any reason, your machines will sync to possibly incorrect time. Using 3 time servers allows NTP to detect errors in a given machine's responses compared to the other systems, and adjust accordingly. Again though, using NTP, and automatically adjusting for daylight savings time are 2 completely separate issues. -- Mike A. Harris ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris OS Systems Engineer - XFree86 maintainer - Red Hat From cochranb at speakeasy.net Sun Oct 26 16:14:41 2003 From: cochranb at speakeasy.net (Robert L Cochran) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 11:14:41 -0500 Subject: Daylight savings time missed by test3 In-Reply-To: <200310260710.17282.res0p1ia@verizon.net> References: <200310260710.17282.res0p1ia@verizon.net> Message-ID: <3F9BF2F1.3040304@speakeasy.net> I don't have this problem. Works for me. Bob Mike Faire wrote: > My lan server is running RedHat 8.0 and it set it's clock back by > an hour automatically. Fedora Test 3 did not. > > Is anyone else seeing this? > Is this worthy of a bug report? > > Mike > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > -- Bob Cochran Greenbelt, Maryland, USA http://greenbeltcomputer.biz/ From usdanskys at rocketmail.com Sun Oct 26 16:27:15 2003 From: usdanskys at rocketmail.com (Steven Usdansky) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 10:27:15 -0600 Subject: oo.org-1.1.0-3 wants mozilla 1.4, but I don't Message-ID: <20031026102715.76ebcb3a.usdanskys@rocketmail.com> I'm currently running openoffice.org-1.1.0-2 just fine without mozilla. However, up2date tells me openoffice.org-1.1.0-3 requires mozilla, mozilla-nspr and mozilla-nss. Any reason for the requirement? -- Steve From elwoo at videotron.ca Sun Oct 26 16:25:03 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 11:25:03 -0500 Subject: mystery crashing nautilus solved In-Reply-To: <1067163910.5701.14.camel@ibmLaptop.athome.de> References: <20031026035455.84927.qmail@web10001.mail.yahoo.com> <1067144545.13005.3.camel@blue.comcast.net> <1067163910.5701.14.camel@ibmLaptop.athome.de> Message-ID: <200310261125.03327.elwoo@videotron.ca> On October 26, 2003 05:25 am, Peter Boy , > wrote: > Am So, den 26.10.2003 schrieb Clifford Snow um 06:02: > > > [snip] The offending package is librsvg2 (and > > > librsvg2-devel). Installing these results in a broken nautilus AND an > > > un-working gdm for me. Icons become nifty little red X's. > > > > What version of librsvg2 do you have? The latest is 2.4.0-3. > > The problem was in librsvg2-2.4.0-2 and is fixed in version > librsvg2-2.4.0-3, which is currently on rawhide. See: > http://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=107875 That may have solved *most* of the crashes with nautilus, where the desktop was totally unusable, but it still crashes when using the internal viewers. See: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=107652 Elton -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From alan at redhat.com Sun Oct 26 16:42:16 2003 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 11:42:16 -0500 (EST) Subject: Daylight savings time missed by test3 In-Reply-To: from "Mike A. Harris" at Hyd 26, 2003 11:13:39 Message-ID: <200310261642.h9QGgGY04013@devserv.devel.redhat.com> > No, I'm not sure why the poster suggested using Red Hat's NTP > server as daylight savings time adjustment is a completely > separate issue as to wether or not you use NTP. DST adjustment is handled by the C library as the kernel core time is in seconds since a fixed point. The system also knows about handling DST shifts in the CMOS clock and will correct for this except for PIIX4 in certain years (hardware errata) > Again though, using NTP, and automatically adjusting for daylight > savings time are 2 completely separate issues. Indeed. A Linux system supports multiple users in different timezones with different daylight saving rules - at the same time. From alan at redhat.com Sun Oct 26 16:45:52 2003 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 11:45:52 -0500 (EST) Subject: Slovene language In-Reply-To: <1067179849.6381.32.camel@n800v-severn2> from "Tadej =?iso-8859-2?Q?Jane=BE?=" at Hyd 26, 2003 03:50:49 Message-ID: <200310261645.h9QGjqL05555@devserv.devel.redhat.com> > I don't want to sound picky but where exactly does it state that this is > an english-only mailing-list. It doesn't, people just assume it sometimes. > Anyway, since I was only referring to a slovenian translation issue, I > don't think I mattered whether I was using english or slovene language > since the intended audience would understand both. If you need to do things like that it would be helpful for the rest of us if you'd note briefly in English what is going on. From elwoo at videotron.ca Sun Oct 26 16:46:39 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 11:46:39 -0500 Subject: Slovene language In-Reply-To: <1067179849.6381.32.camel@n800v-severn2> References: <01L27OKCL3PE0033MM@rcum.uni-mb.si> <200310270024.43410.dennis@ausil.us> <1067179849.6381.32.camel@n800v-severn2> Message-ID: <200310261146.39781.elwoo@videotron.ca> On October 26, 2003 09:50 am, Tadej Jane? , > wrote: > Anyway, since I was only referring to a slovenian translation issue, I > don't think I mattered whether I was using english or slovene language > since the intended audience would understand both. Well said. In the past, I have posted the odd commend in languages other than English. IMNSHO, the original post and reply was *not* inappropriate, since it delat with the slovene language and translation. It's disheartening, to say the least, that in this day of increasing world co-operation, to see people get their backs up the minute they see a post in anything other than English. It also serves to fortify the commonly held belief that Americans are eternally and incessanely arrogant. Just this weekend, I did a presentation for one of the local english-language LUG's (to wit: the McLUG, Mc Gill university's open-source ... and *open* to non faculty members... group). It was at the first meeting of the AQP3L http://aqp3l.org/, and I did my presentation in French. Incidentally the other person with me, representing McLUG is an American from Plattsburg, NY. He did his part of the presentation in English. One of the comments I made, was that linux can be a means towards world peace, since the very fact that many people of varied backgrounds, races, cultures, religions, and traditions, co-operate in the development and promotion of GNU/Linux. Whether Richard Stallman agrees with me, "je m'en fous".... However, seeing the reaction that the original post got in this forum, simply got my back up. Go ahead: point your flame-throwers at me full-blast. The weather's gettin' chilly here in Montreal, and I can ask the landlord to save some heating oil. ... with apologies to none, save those of goodwill towards all mankind. Elton Woo. -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From ryanpg at yahoo.com Sun Oct 26 16:57:56 2003 From: ryanpg at yahoo.com (Ryan G.) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 08:57:56 -0800 (PST) Subject: metacity question In-Reply-To: <20031026162341.15658.3549.Mailman@listman.back-rdu.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20031026165756.44651.qmail@web10006.mail.yahoo.com> Hi all, Anyone know of a way I can configure metacity to minimize a window when I double click the title bar? I really hate the window shade thing. (Yes I know I can just click the minimize button, so please don't suggest it ;-) Thanks, -ry ===== --r-- From lorenzo at prince.homelinux.org Sun Oct 26 16:58:46 2003 From: lorenzo at prince.homelinux.org (Lorenzo Prince) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 11:58:46 -0500 Subject: Daylight savings time missed by test3 In-Reply-To: References: <3F9BECB0.10407@epost.de> Message-ID: <20031026165846.GA1595@prince.homelinux.org> Mike A. Harris staggered into view and mumbled: > No, I'm not sure why the poster suggested using Red Hat's NTP > server as daylight savings time adjustment is a completely > separate issue as to wether or not you use NTP. I think the reasoning behind using ntp is that in the case of the earlier poster whose laptop wasn't on and it changed from mdt to mst but didn't set the clock back, the ntp sync will fix this. I think there is a problem that arises when a computer is turned off during the swich to/from DST and the hardware clock is set to localtime. It has something to do with the conversion from UTC. When the hardware clock is set to localtime the system automatically assumes it is set correctly, because it has no way to know otherwise. When the hardware clock is set to UTC the system simply does the conversion from UTC to localtime and will take into account the daylight savings time status every time it cauculates the local time at bootup. PRINCE From nosp at xades.com Sun Oct 26 17:02:10 2003 From: nosp at xades.com (nosp) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 17:02:10 +0000 Subject: metacity question In-Reply-To: <20031026165756.44651.qmail@web10006.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20031026165756.44651.qmail@web10006.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1067187730.8842.18.camel@earth.xades.com> On Sun, 2003-10-26 at 16:57, Ryan G. wrote: > Anyone know of a way I can configure metacity to minimize a window when > I double click the title bar? [Fedora Menu] -> Preferences -> Windows -> Double-click titlebar to perform this action: Roll up / Maximize. From redhat-jc at insight.rr.com Sun Oct 26 18:07:14 2003 From: redhat-jc at insight.rr.com (Jim Cornette) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 13:07:14 -0500 Subject: Ctrl-Alt-Backspace Problem In-Reply-To: References: <1067139511.8571.3.camel@ripley> <3F9B42FC.6040504@insight.rr.com> Message-ID: <3F9C0D52.80001@insight.rr.com> Mike A. Harris wrote: > On Sat, 25 Oct 2003, Jim Cornette wrote: > > >>>It only started happening since I installed Fedora Core Test 2. >>>Previous to that I was using RH9 -- FCT2 was a clean install. >> >>What about making the start here (windoze key) log one out instead of >>killing X suddenly? > > > Yeah, that would be absolutely wonderful reaching for the ALT > key, hitting Winkey and getting logged out. There'd be a lot of > keyboards with that key ripped off of them shortly after. > > Not quite as annoying as this annoying beep at login by default > though. > > Well maybe it could be used for the activation or deactivation for the beep login then. Where is this ctl-alt-backspace to log out coming from. Is it assumed that it is like win's version of ctl-alt-delete to log in? Jim -- He who lives without folly is less wise than he believes. From xose at wanadoo.es Sun Oct 26 17:06:06 2003 From: xose at wanadoo.es (Xose Vazquez Perez) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 18:06:06 +0100 Subject: Daylight savings time missed by test3 References: <3F9BECB0.10407@epost.de> Message-ID: <3F9BFEFE.8040103@wanadoo.es> Mike A. Harris wrote: > geographically close). Using only a single time server is not > that reliable because if that time server goes out of whack for > any reason, your machines will sync to possibly incorrect time. > Using 3 time servers allows NTP to detect errors in a given > machine's responses compared to the other systems, and adjust > accordingly. Be careful with NTP servers, there are a lots of them badly configured: http://xenia.media.mit.edu/~nelson/research/ntp-survey99/ best NTP info place -> http://fortytwo.ch/time/ -- HTML mails are going to trash automatically From bcs at metacon.ca Sun Oct 26 17:15:37 2003 From: bcs at metacon.ca (Ben Steeves) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 13:15:37 -0400 Subject: Ctrl-Alt-Backspace Problem In-Reply-To: <3F9B42FC.6040504@insight.rr.com> References: <1067139511.8571.3.camel@ripley> <3F9B42FC.6040504@insight.rr.com> Message-ID: <1067188537.30685.2.camel@ripley> On Sun, 2003-10-26 at 00:43, Jim Cornette wrote: > What about making the start here (windoze key) log one out instead of > killing X suddenly? Because sometimes nothing works *but* to kill X with Ctrl-Alt-Backspace. Logging out via GNOME is the norm, but when the system goes south, it's better to be able to kill X than to have to reset the computer entirely. Sure, I could ssh in from a different box and kill X, but that's a bit of a pain if you don't happen to have another box. -- Ben Steeves _ bcs at metacon.ca The ASCII ribbon campaign ( ) ben.steeves at unb.ca against HTML e-mail X GPG ID: 0xB3EBF1D9 http://www.metacon.ca/ascii / \ Yahoo Messenger: ben_steeves From hoyt at cavtel.net Sun Oct 26 17:17:53 2003 From: hoyt at cavtel.net (HoytDuff) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 13:17:53 -0400 Subject: Slovene language In-Reply-To: <200310261146.39781.elwoo@videotron.ca> References: <01L27OKCL3PE0033MM@rcum.uni-mb.si> <1067179849.6381.32.camel@n800v-severn2> <200310261146.39781.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <200310261217.53183.hoyt@cavtel.net> On Sunday 26 October 2003 11:46 am, Elton Woo wrote: > It also serves to fortify the commonly held belief that Americans are > eternally and incessanely arrogant. I think that it fortifies the belief that non-English speakers are eternally and incessantly arrogant about English. 8) It all boils down to a matter of politeness and whether one cares to be polite. There will always be those who don't care. -- Hoyt From tadejjanez at email.si Sun Oct 26 17:21:50 2003 From: tadejjanez at email.si (Tadej =?iso-8859-2?Q?Jane=BE?=) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 18:21:50 +0100 Subject: Slovene language In-Reply-To: <200310261645.h9QGjqL05555@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <200310261645.h9QGjqL05555@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1067188910.6381.60.camel@n800v-severn2> On Sun, 2003-10-26 at 17:45, Alan Cox wrote: > > I don't want to sound picky but where exactly does it state that this is > > an english-only mailing-list. > > It doesn't, people just assume it sometimes. I thought so. > > Anyway, since I was only referring to a slovenian translation issue, I > > don't think I mattered whether I was using english or slovene language > > since the intended audience would understand both. > > If you need to do things like that it would be helpful for the rest of us > if you'd note briefly in English what is going on. > I will do so in the future. My last slovene e-mail wasn't anything special. I just pointed the person to a more appropriate mailing list (in slovene, BTW) to discuss translational issues there where they could get more attention of the more appropriate people. I just want to say 'thank you' for yours and Elton's encouraging email :) Best wishes, Tadej From thacker at math.cornell.edu Sun Oct 26 17:22:52 2003 From: thacker at math.cornell.edu (John Alexander Thacker) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 12:22:52 -0500 Subject: up2date still broken on noarch packages Message-ID: <20031026172252.GA7478@thacker.dyndns.org> For some reason, up2date tries to download noarch packages from the s390x subdirectory of rawhide, even though my arch is ix86, and all the other packages are correctly downloaded from the i386 directory. This causes up2date to fail when using a mirror, like the DULUG one, that doesn't mirror all the architectures. This is the cause of the certain up2date problems reported the other day on the list. There is a bug in bugzilla, but it was incorrectly CLOSED- CURRENTRELEASE, even though the behavior still exists with the most recent up2date. The difference now is only that I get informative 404 messages, but it still fails to download the noarch packages from the i386 directory. http://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=107316 John Thacker From pboy at barkhof.uni-bremen.de Sun Oct 26 18:27:58 2003 From: pboy at barkhof.uni-bremen.de (Peter Boy) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 19:27:58 +0100 Subject: mystery crashing nautilus solved In-Reply-To: <200310261125.03327.elwoo@videotron.ca> References: <20031026035455.84927.qmail@web10001.mail.yahoo.com> <1067144545.13005.3.camel@blue.comcast.net> <1067163910.5701.14.camel@ibmLaptop.athome.de> <200310261125.03327.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <1067192877.5560.2.camel@ibmLaptop.athome.de> Am So, den 26.10.2003 schrieb Elton Woo um 17:25: > On October 26, 2003 05:25 am, Peter Boy , > The problem was in librsvg2-2.4.0-2 and is fixed in version > > librsvg2-2.4.0-3, which is currently on rawhide. See: > > http://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=107875 > > That may have solved *most* of the crashes with nautilus, where > the desktop was totally unusable, but it still crashes when using > the internal viewers. See: > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=107652 OK, I myself didn't see this problem with my system. Nevertheless, at least there is some progress, isn't it? :-) Peter From ryanpg at yahoo.com Sun Oct 26 17:44:52 2003 From: ryanpg at yahoo.com (Ryan G.) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 09:44:52 -0800 (PST) Subject: metacity question In-Reply-To: <20031026170009.17939.51205.Mailman@listman.back-rdu.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20031026174452.66216.qmail@web10007.mail.yahoo.com> >Subject: Re: metacity question >From: nosp >To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com >Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 17:02:10 +0000 >Reply-To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com > >On Sun, 2003-10-26 at 16:57, Ryan G. wrote: >> Anyone know of a way I can configure metacity to minimize a window >when >> I double click the title bar? > >[Fedora Menu] -> Preferences -> Windows -> Double-click titlebar to >perform this action: Roll up / Maximize. Yes, thanks for the response but I'd like the window MINIMIZED not toggled between maximized and un-maximized. In other words I'd like the window to "dissapear" from the screen ;-) when the title bar is double clicked, that is what minimize means yes? Don't want to confuse things using the wrong word. -ry ===== --r-- From MSchwartz at MedAnalytics.com Sun Oct 26 17:55:30 2003 From: MSchwartz at MedAnalytics.com (Marc Schwartz) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 11:55:30 -0600 Subject: metacity question In-Reply-To: <20031026174452.66216.qmail@web10007.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20031026174452.66216.qmail@web10007.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1067190929.4539.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sun, 2003-10-26 at 11:44, Ryan G. wrote: > >Subject: Re: metacity question > >From: nosp > >To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com > >Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 17:02:10 +0000 > >Reply-To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com > > > >On Sun, 2003-10-26 at 16:57, Ryan G. wrote: > >> Anyone know of a way I can configure metacity to minimize a window > >when > >> I double click the title bar? > > > >[Fedora Menu] -> Preferences -> Windows -> Double-click titlebar to > >perform this action: Roll up / Maximize. > > Yes, thanks for the response but I'd like the window MINIMIZED not > toggled between maximized and un-maximized. In other words I'd like > the window to "dissapear" from the screen ;-) when the title bar is > double clicked, that is what minimize means yes? Don't want to confuse > things using the wrong word. > > -ry If you have a Window List applet in your panel, you can just click on the application in the list and that will minimize it, while keeping it on the List. Click on it again to restore it. That is one click instead of two... :-) HTH, Marc From redhat-jc at insight.rr.com Sun Oct 26 17:59:18 2003 From: redhat-jc at insight.rr.com (Jim Cornette) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 12:59:18 -0500 Subject: Ctrl-Alt-Backspace Problem In-Reply-To: <1067188537.30685.2.camel@ripley> References: <1067139511.8571.3.camel@ripley> <3F9B42FC.6040504@insight.rr.com> <1067188537.30685.2.camel@ripley> Message-ID: <3F9C0B76.4050702@insight.rr.com> Ben Steeves wrote: > On Sun, 2003-10-26 at 00:43, Jim Cornette wrote: > > >>What about making the start here (windoze key) log one out instead of >>killing X suddenly? > > > Because sometimes nothing works *but* to kill X with > Ctrl-Alt-Backspace. Logging out via GNOME is the norm, but when the > system goes south, it's better to be able to kill X than to have to > reset the computer entirely. That is what I use *ctl-alt-backspace* for. It was sounding to me that this is becoming a regular way to logout of X. I used this feature to get ouyt of a lot of earlier misbehaving problems. I don't need to use it too often now. (Can't remember X lockups recently.) > Sure, I could ssh in from a different box and kill X, but that's a bit > of a pain if you don't happen to have another box. It sounds like overkill to ssh in. ctl-alt-backspace away. I do miss the pulldown menu choice to kill locked up apps though. Killall -9 works alright from the terminal though. The "timebomb" worked a lot quicker though. Where did this feature go? Jim > -- He who lives without folly is less wise than he believes. From elwoo at videotron.ca Sun Oct 26 18:03:40 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 13:03:40 -0500 Subject: mystery crashing nautilus solved In-Reply-To: <1067192877.5560.2.camel@ibmLaptop.athome.de> References: <20031026035455.84927.qmail@web10001.mail.yahoo.com> <200310261125.03327.elwoo@videotron.ca> <1067192877.5560.2.camel@ibmLaptop.athome.de> Message-ID: <200310261303.40207.elwoo@videotron.ca> On October 26, 2003 01:27 pm, Peter Boy , > wrote: > Am So, den 26.10.2003 schrieb Elton Woo um 17:25: > > On October 26, 2003 05:25 am, Peter Boy , > > > > The problem was in librsvg2-2.4.0-2 and is fixed in version > > > librsvg2-2.4.0-3, which is currently on rawhide. See: > > > http://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=107875 > > > > That may have solved *most* of the crashes with nautilus, where > > the desktop was totally unusable, but it still crashes when using > > the internal viewers. See: > > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=107652 > > OK, I myself didn't see this problem with my system. > > Nevertheless, at least there is some progress, isn't it? :-) Hoffentlich... but the final release is only a few weeks away... The Red Hat Gnome desktop drew me away from KDE, but I have never totally abandoned that desktop... Elton ;-) -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From elwoo at videotron.ca Sun Oct 26 18:09:18 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 13:09:18 -0500 Subject: metacity question In-Reply-To: <1067190929.4539.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <20031026174452.66216.qmail@web10007.mail.yahoo.com> <1067190929.4539.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <200310261309.18989.elwoo@videotron.ca> On October 26, 2003 12:55 pm, Marc Schwartz , > wrote: > > >On Sun, 2003-10-26 at 16:57, Ryan G. wrote: > > >> Anyone know of a way I can configure metacity to minimize a window > > > > > >when > > > > > >> I double click the title bar? > > If you have a Window List applet in your panel, you can just click on > the application in the list and that will minimize it, while keeping it > on the List. Click on it again to restore it. > > That is one click instead of two... :-) That is NOT what the original poster wants. He wants to _change the behaviour_ of the mouse click on the Window frame. Unfortunately the answer is "no, you can't"... AFAIK. If he had Sawfish installed, however, he would have this option in changing the window behaviour. If you check previous posts by others in this forum, you'll see that this 'lacking option' is one of the downpoints of Nautilus. HTH ... Elton ;-) -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From bcs at metacon.ca Sun Oct 26 18:24:27 2003 From: bcs at metacon.ca (Ben Steeves) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 14:24:27 -0400 Subject: Ctrl-Alt-Backspace Problem In-Reply-To: <3F9C0B76.4050702@insight.rr.com> References: <1067139511.8571.3.camel@ripley> <3F9B42FC.6040504@insight.rr.com> <1067188537.30685.2.camel@ripley> <3F9C0B76.4050702@insight.rr.com> Message-ID: <1067192667.30685.4.camel@ripley> On Sun, 2003-10-26 at 13:59, Jim Cornette wrote: > Ben Steeves wrote: > > On Sun, 2003-10-26 at 00:43, Jim Cornette wrote: > > > > > >>What about making the start here (windoze key) log one out instead of > >>killing X suddenly? > > > > > > Because sometimes nothing works *but* to kill X with > > Ctrl-Alt-Backspace. Logging out via GNOME is the norm, but when the > > system goes south, it's better to be able to kill X than to have to > > reset the computer entirely. > > That is what I use *ctl-alt-backspace* for. It was sounding to me that > this is becoming a regular way to logout of X. > > I used this feature to get ouyt of a lot of earlier misbehaving > problems. I don't need to use it too often now. (Can't remember X > lockups recently.) > > > > Sure, I could ssh in from a different box and kill X, but that's a bit > > of a pain if you don't happen to have another box. > > It sounds like overkill to ssh in. ctl-alt-backspace away. Um, did you read the beginning of the thread? The original poster and I *can't* use Ctrl-Alt-Backspace to kill X because it causes our machines to hibernate. We're trying to figure out what's causing that. -- Ben Steeves _ bcs at metacon.ca The ASCII ribbon campaign ( ) ben.steeves at unb.ca against HTML e-mail X GPG ID: 0xB3EBF1D9 http://www.metacon.ca/ascii / \ Yahoo Messenger: ben_steeves From redhat-jc at insight.rr.com Sun Oct 26 18:26:58 2003 From: redhat-jc at insight.rr.com (Jim Cornette) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 13:26:58 -0500 Subject: AW: Mouse - strange bevaviour In-Reply-To: <000001c39bc7$b5ba2ba0$0500000a@agentsmith> References: <000001c39bc7$b5ba2ba0$0500000a@agentsmith> Message-ID: <3F9C11F2.8010701@insight.rr.com> Grosswiler Roger wrote: > I'll try this....but howto? I was looking for redhat-config-boot...and > didn't find... > I had to install redhat-config-boot by running up2date redhat-config-boot from a root terminal. This installed the program. The program does not allow you to configure graphical boot or change the options for booting your kernels. So far you have to edit these by hand. redhat-config-boot only pops up a screen for you to be able to change the timeout and which kernel that you want to load by default. It would be nice to have the ability to select common options to change for the kernel load through this feature. You have to edit the file /boot/grub/grub.conf with a text editor, as root. You want remove the rhgb from the line below. Be very careful when you edit the line by hand. It is important for your system to come back up right on next boot. Since you only want to do this to test out your mouse stopping working. It would be best to hightlight the boot selection. Press e to edit the line. Then another e to be able to actually edit the line. Then backspace to get rid of the rhgb part of the line entry. .. Press b to boot after you remove the rhgb from the line. title Fedora Core (2.4.22-1.2108.nptl) root (hd1,0) kernel /vmlinuz-2.4.22-1.2108.nptl ro root=LABEL=/ hdd=ide-scsi rhgb initrd /initrd-2.4.22-1.2108.nptl.img By the way, I had a similar problem with my mouse working originally on startup and then freezing up. This was caused in my case by norton antivirus. It was on XP, so I don't think it is the same problem. There might be a Linux program that could cause a similar lockup for you. Mine was a problem that was only present in XP and not Linux, for locked mouse. Jim -- If you think things can't get worse it's probably only because you lack sufficient imagination. From MSchwartz at MedAnalytics.com Sun Oct 26 18:26:28 2003 From: MSchwartz at MedAnalytics.com (Marc Schwartz) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 12:26:28 -0600 Subject: metacity question In-Reply-To: <200310261309.18989.elwoo@videotron.ca> References: <20031026174452.66216.qmail@web10007.mail.yahoo.com> <1067190929.4539.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> <200310261309.18989.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <1067192787.4539.36.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sun, 2003-10-26 at 12:09, Elton Woo wrote: > On October 26, 2003 12:55 pm, Marc Schwartz , > wrote: > > If you have a Window List applet in your panel, you can just click on > > the application in the list and that will minimize it, while keeping it > > on the List. Click on it again to restore it. > > > > That is one click instead of two... :-) > > That is NOT what the original poster wants. He wants to _change the > behaviour_ of the mouse click on the Window frame. Unfortunately > the answer is "no, you can't"... AFAIK. That is correct. He cannot change that behavior in Metacity. Rather than only pointing out what he cannot do, I was merely trying to point out an alternative using his current configuration that would achieve the same end result and also save his index finger.... Marc From k_b0000 at yahoo.se Sun Oct 26 18:43:53 2003 From: k_b0000 at yahoo.se (k b) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 10:43:53 -0800 (PST) Subject: libcom_err.so.3 Message-ID: <20031026184353.58561.qmail@web12004.mail.yahoo.com> hi suggestion for file inclution. libcom_err.so.3 that is found in krb5-libs-1.2.7-14.i386.rpm is needed by for example pine and some other applications. the file is not present in krb5-libs-1.3.1-6.i386.rpm. if possible, it would be nice to have it back in the krb5-libs. kb __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/ From mharris at redhat.com Sun Oct 26 18:52:36 2003 From: mharris at redhat.com (Mike A. Harris) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 13:52:36 -0500 (EST) Subject: libcom_err.so.3 In-Reply-To: <20031026184353.58561.qmail@web12004.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20031026184353.58561.qmail@web12004.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 26 Oct 2003, k b wrote: >libcom_err.so.3 >that is found in krb5-libs-1.2.7-14.i386.rpm >is needed by for example pine and some other >applications. > >the file is not present in krb5-libs-1.3.1-6.i386.rpm. > >if possible, it would be nice to have it back in the >krb5-libs. Recompile my pine src.rpm and it will just work(TM). ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris/pine -- Mike A. Harris ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris OS Systems Engineer - XFree86 maintainer - Red Hat From whooperhsd3 at earthlink.net Sun Oct 26 19:08:38 2003 From: whooperhsd3 at earthlink.net (William Hooper) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 14:08:38 -0500 (EST) Subject: libcom_err.so.3 In-Reply-To: <20031026184353.58561.qmail@web12004.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20031026184353.58561.qmail@web12004.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <64948.65.173.71.221.1067195318.squirrel@65.173.71.221> k b said: > hi > suggestion for file inclution. > > libcom_err.so.3 > that is found in krb5-libs-1.2.7-14.i386.rpm > is needed by for example pine and some other > applications. > libcom_err.so.3 no longer exists. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=100437 -- William Hooper From alan at redhat.com Sun Oct 26 20:03:47 2003 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 15:03:47 -0500 (EST) Subject: Ctrl-Alt-Backspace Problem In-Reply-To: <1067192667.30685.4.camel@ripley> from "Ben Steeves" at Hyd 26, 2003 02:24:27 Message-ID: <200310262003.h9QK3lQ07297@devserv.devel.redhat.com> > Um, did you read the beginning of the thread? The original poster and I > *can't* use Ctrl-Alt-Backspace to kill X because it causes our machines > to hibernate. We're trying to figure out what's causing that. Its hardwired behaviour with a few BIOSES From joe at tmsusa.com Sun Oct 26 20:09:52 2003 From: joe at tmsusa.com (Joe) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 12:09:52 -0800 Subject: Ctrl-Alt-Backspace Problem In-Reply-To: <200310262003.h9QK3lQ07297@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <200310262003.h9QK3lQ07297@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <3F9C2A10.2080505@tmsusa.com> Alan Cox wrote: >>Um, did you read the beginning of the thread? The original poster and I >>*can't* use Ctrl-Alt-Backspace to kill X because it causes our machines >>to hibernate. We're trying to figure out what's causing that. >> >> > >Its hardwired behaviour with a few BIOSES > > > Yes, that caused me some grief and alarm with my new $229 fry's computer - I finally realized it must be the BIOS after seeing identical behavior with Suse 8.2, RH 9, severn 1 and fct3 :\ Joe From notting at redhat.com Sun Oct 26 20:36:39 2003 From: notting at redhat.com (Bill Nottingham) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 15:36:39 -0500 Subject: Unable to bootstrap GNU Emacs 21.3 (segfault) In-Reply-To: <3F9A7D6E.9090403@wanadoo.fr>; from david.ponce@wanadoo.fr on Sat, Oct 25, 2003 at 03:41:02PM +0200 References: <18456542.1067016660647.JavaMail.www@wwinf0403> <3F9A7D6E.9090403@wanadoo.fr> Message-ID: <20031026153639.B12444@devserv.devel.redhat.com> David Ponce (david.ponce at wanadoo.fr) said: > Hi, > > Since my previous post I downloaded the source rpm of Emacs 21.3 from > and > tried to do an: > > "rpmbuild --rebuild emacs-21.3-6.src.rpm" > > And the rebuild failed on a segfault during the loadup dump stage (see > the attached log file). Turn off exec-shield, it should work then. Bill From notting at redhat.com Sun Oct 26 20:38:03 2003 From: notting at redhat.com (Bill Nottingham) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 15:38:03 -0500 Subject: ifup - Cannot get driver information: Operation not supported In-Reply-To: ; from seandarcy@hotmail.com on Fri, Oct 24, 2003 at 03:36:50PM -0400 References: Message-ID: <20031026153803.C12444@devserv.devel.redhat.com> sean darcy (seandarcy at hotmail.com) said: > I'm running severn-95 ( a brand new install ) on a laptop with a Xircom IIps > pcmcia card. ifup eth1 works but says: > > /sbin/ifup eth1 > Cannot get driver information: Operation not supported Comes from running ethtool -i. File a bug, there's a redirect to /dev/null for stderr needed somewhere. Bill From k_b0000 at yahoo.se Sun Oct 26 20:41:07 2003 From: k_b0000 at yahoo.se (k b) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 12:41:07 -0800 (PST) Subject: libcom_err.so.3 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20031026204107.20973.qmail@web12007.mail.yahoo.com> --- "Mike A. Harris" wrote: > On Sun, 26 Oct 2003, k b wrote: > > >libcom_err.so.3 > >that is found in krb5-libs-1.2.7-14.i386.rpm > >is needed by for example pine and some other > >applications. > > > >the file is not present in > krb5-libs-1.3.1-6.i386.rpm. > > > >if possible, it would be nice to have it back in > the > >krb5-libs. > > Recompile my pine src.rpm and it will just work(TM). > ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris/pine > Thanks for the reply. i guess i need som specfile to build it, can i create one from the source, or build without the specfile using rpmbuild? kb __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/ From goeran at uddeborg.se Sun Oct 26 20:43:24 2003 From: goeran at uddeborg.se (=?iso-8859-1?q?G=F6ran_Uddeborg?=) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 21:43:24 +0100 Subject: Bugzilla doesn't send mail any more. Message-ID: <16284.12780.803538.801859@uebn.uddeborg.se> The last few times I've modified bugzillas, nobody has got a mail. Everybody is on the "excluding" line. Even myself, although I've asked for mails even for my own changes. Is something broken, or why is this? As an example, I just added a comment to https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=75040 and added myself to cc on https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=58942 but in neither case anybody got any mail. From notting at redhat.com Sun Oct 26 20:50:10 2003 From: notting at redhat.com (Bill Nottingham) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 15:50:10 -0500 Subject: Beep on X11 login screen In-Reply-To: <200310242313.h9ONDVY06620@devserv.devel.redhat.com>; from alan@redhat.com on Fri, Oct 24, 2003 at 07:13:31PM -0400 References: <1066998889.7222.55.camel@binkley> <200310242313.h9ONDVY06620@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20031026155010.B20494@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Alan Cox (alan at redhat.com) said: > > It is quite intentional - it is there so blind users can know when they > > have a prompt awaiting login. > > That strikes me as fundamentally useless since the volume setting for the > sound card is 'however the last user left it' and we don't have enough > information to know the difference between 'owwww my ears' and 'pin drop' > or even which channel its mixed through if any. Well, I'm pretty sure it's a PC speaker beep anyway. Not that that changes how you can tell how loud it will be. Bill From alan at redhat.com Sun Oct 26 20:52:54 2003 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 15:52:54 -0500 (EST) Subject: Beep on X11 login screen In-Reply-To: <20031026155010.B20494@devserv.devel.redhat.com> from "Bill Nottingham" at Hyd 26, 2003 03:50:10 Message-ID: <200310262052.h9QKqs725777@devserv.devel.redhat.com> > > sound card is 'however the last user left it' and we don't have enough > > information to know the difference between 'owwww my ears' and 'pin drop' > > or even which channel its mixed through if any. > > Well, I'm pretty sure it's a PC speaker beep anyway. Not that that > changes how you can tell how loud it will be. It is PC speaker beep (if it wasnt it would get even more complex as it would need to run esd/arts etc). On plenty of boxes pc beep is one of the mixer lines however and we don't restore its state on logout From goeran at uddeborg.se Sun Oct 26 21:05:01 2003 From: goeran at uddeborg.se (=?iso-8859-1?q?G=F6ran_Uddeborg?=) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 22:05:01 +0100 Subject: Gnome and KDE: Start new Session button? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <16284.14077.451158.500849@uebn.uddeborg.se> Mike A. Harris writes: > 1) Not all video hardware and drivers support having multiple X > server instances running on them. Are there information anywhere which cards/drivers do support this, and which don't? Or won't I find out until after I have bought new equipment and tested it? From lists at reforge.fi Sun Oct 26 21:07:53 2003 From: lists at reforge.fi (Lauri Jutila) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 23:07:53 +0200 Subject: Beep on X11 login screen In-Reply-To: <20031026155010.B20494@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <1066998889.7222.55.camel@binkley> <200310242313.h9ONDVY06620@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <20031026155010.B20494@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1067202473.5438.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> > > That strikes me as fundamentally useless since the volume setting for the > > sound card is 'however the last user left it' and we don't have enough > > information to know the difference between 'owwww my ears' and 'pin drop' > > or even which channel its mixed through if any. > > Well, I'm pretty sure it's a PC speaker beep anyway. Not that that > changes how you can tell how loud it will be. That's a PC speaker beep (and it's painful). There really should be an option to change it on/off. Back in the days GNOME had a entire Control Center section devoted to configuring the speaker. You could set nice low Hz and short beep which was much more user-friendly. That was a sawfish feature, though. I'd love to see it in metacity, too. Another great window management feature that's missing from metacity (AFAIK) is the ability to set window sticky or set it on top of the all other windows. That's another feature I have on my wish list for metacity. Please tell me how to enable it if it's already there. Regards, -- Lauri Jutila Chief Linux Fellow, Reforge lists at reforge.fi http://www.reforge.fi From elwoo at videotron.ca Sun Oct 26 17:10:32 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 12:10:32 -0500 Subject: Bugzilla doesn't send mail any more. In-Reply-To: <16284.12780.803538.801859@uebn.uddeborg.se> References: <16284.12780.803538.801859@uebn.uddeborg.se> Message-ID: <200310261210.32475.elwoo@videotron.ca> On October 26, 2003 03:43 pm, G?ran Uddeborg , > wrote: > The last few times I've modified bugzillas, nobody has got a mail. > Everybody is on the "excluding" line. Even myself, although I've > asked for mails even for my own changes. > > Is something broken, or why is this? > > As an example, I just added a comment to > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=75040 and added > myself to cc on > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=58942 but in > neither case anybody got any mail. Huh? ... as recently as last night I added attachments to a bug report and I received mails as usual from bugzilla. ..Unless bugzilla is temporarliy indisposed... Elton 8>\ -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From nosp at xades.com Sun Oct 26 21:13:10 2003 From: nosp at xades.com (nosp) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 21:13:10 +0000 Subject: Beep on X11 login screen In-Reply-To: <1067202473.5438.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1066998889.7222.55.camel@binkley> <200310242313.h9ONDVY06620@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <20031026155010.B20494@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1067202473.5438.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1067202790.8842.23.camel@earth.xades.com> On Sun, 2003-10-26 at 21:07, Lauri Jutila wrote: > Another great window management feature that's missing from metacity > (AFAIK) is the ability to set window sticky or set it on top of the all > other windows. Sticky = "put on all workspaces", right? It's there (right click on the window's titlebar). From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Sun Oct 26 22:15:00 2003 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 17:15:00 -0500 Subject: Unable to bootstrap GNU Emacs 21.3 (segfault) In-Reply-To: <20031026153639.B12444@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <18456542.1067016660647.JavaMail.www@wwinf0403> <3F9A7D6E.9090403@wanadoo.fr> <20031026153639.B12444@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1067206500.29876.30.camel@binkley> > > Turn off exec-shield, it should work then. What's happening that's triggering exec-shield? I thought exec-shield was configured so that only programs compiled to support it would use it, otherwise it left everything else alone. Is gcc built to use exec-shield? -sv From notting at redhat.com Sun Oct 26 21:24:26 2003 From: notting at redhat.com (Bill Nottingham) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 16:24:26 -0500 Subject: Unable to bootstrap GNU Emacs 21.3 (segfault) In-Reply-To: <1067206500.29876.30.camel@binkley>; from skvidal@phy.duke.edu on Sun, Oct 26, 2003 at 05:15:00PM -0500 References: <18456542.1067016660647.JavaMail.www@wwinf0403> <3F9A7D6E.9090403@wanadoo.fr> <20031026153639.B12444@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1067206500.29876.30.camel@binkley> Message-ID: <20031026162426.B1272@devserv.devel.redhat.com> seth vidal (skvidal at phy.duke.edu) said: > > Turn off exec-shield, it should work then. > > What's happening that's triggering exec-shield? I thought exec-shield > was configured so that only programs compiled to support it would use > it, otherwise it left everything else alone. Is gcc built to use > exec-shield? Exec-shield enables a different memory layout that breaks the emacs dumper, as I recall. Bill From dennis at ausil.us Sun Oct 26 21:25:16 2003 From: dennis at ausil.us (Dennis Gilmore) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 07:25:16 +1000 Subject: Slovene language In-Reply-To: <200310261146.39781.elwoo@videotron.ca> References: <01L27OKCL3PE0033MM@rcum.uni-mb.si> <1067179849.6381.32.camel@n800v-severn2> <200310261146.39781.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <200310270725.19012.dennis@ausil.us> Once upon a time at band camp Mon, 27 Oct 2003 2:46 am, Elton Woo wrote: > On October 26, 2003 09:50 am, Tadej Jane? , > > wrote: > > Anyway, since I was only referring to a slovenian translation issue, I > > don't think I mattered whether I was using english or slovene language > > since the intended audience would understand both. > > Well said. In the past, I have posted the odd commend in languages other > than English. IMNSHO, the original post and reply was *not* inappropriate, > since it delat with the slovene language and translation. > > It's disheartening, to say the least, that in this day of increasing world > co-operation, to see people get their backs up the minute they see a post > in anything other than English. > > It also serves to fortify the commonly held belief that Americans are > eternally and incessanely arrogant. its dishartening to assume im an American. im not i am a proud Australian. the whole reason i said something is that the list is alwyas posted in english except a few single posts. i was only saying he should post in english because someone else who couldn't understand Slovene might have been able to participate in the conversation. perhaps someone who has experience in some other language arabic, japanese, cantonese, french, spanish..... it wasnt for any other reason than to say open your possibilities to all possible help. if he put in a translation or brief summary in english that would have been ok. Dennis From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Sun Oct 26 21:24:10 2003 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 16:24:10 -0500 Subject: Unable to bootstrap GNU Emacs 21.3 (segfault) In-Reply-To: <20031026162426.B1272@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <18456542.1067016660647.JavaMail.www@wwinf0403> <3F9A7D6E.9090403@wanadoo.fr> <20031026153639.B12444@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1067206500.29876.30.camel@binkley> <20031026162426.B1272@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1067203449.29876.34.camel@binkley> > Exec-shield enables a different memory layout that breaks the > emacs dumper, as I recall. > is emacs being built to trigger exec-shield? If so, why? -sv From jakub at redhat.com Sun Oct 26 21:27:36 2003 From: jakub at redhat.com (Jakub Jelinek) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 16:27:36 -0500 Subject: Unable to bootstrap GNU Emacs 21.3 (segfault) In-Reply-To: <1067206500.29876.30.camel@binkley>; from skvidal@phy.duke.edu on Sun, Oct 26, 2003 at 05:15:00PM -0500 References: <18456542.1067016660647.JavaMail.www@wwinf0403> <3F9A7D6E.9090403@wanadoo.fr> <20031026153639.B12444@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1067206500.29876.30.camel@binkley> Message-ID: <20031026162736.A2097@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Sun, Oct 26, 2003 at 05:15:00PM -0500, seth vidal wrote: > > > > > Turn off exec-shield, it should work then. > > What's happening that's triggering exec-shield? I thought exec-shield > was configured so that only programs compiled to support it would use > it, otherwise it left everything else alone. Is gcc built to use > exec-shield? > Emacs has very broken dumper doing assumptions it should not do. So e.g. any address space randomizations confuses it to death. I think setarch i386 make ... should turn off randomization for make and all its children, so emacs could have a chance to build. Jakub From lists at reforge.fi Sun Oct 26 21:37:23 2003 From: lists at reforge.fi (Lauri Jutila) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 23:37:23 +0200 Subject: Beep on X11 login screen In-Reply-To: <1067202790.8842.23.camel@earth.xades.com> References: <1066998889.7222.55.camel@binkley> <200310242313.h9ONDVY06620@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <20031026155010.B20494@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1067202473.5438.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1067202790.8842.23.camel@earth.xades.com> Message-ID: <1067204243.5438.14.camel@localhost.localdomain> > > Another great window management feature that's missing from metacity > > (AFAIK) is the ability to set window sticky or set it on top of the all > > other windows. > > Sticky = "put on all workspaces", right? It's there (right click on the > window's titlebar). Ok, some "variation" of sticky windows is there. :) Now all I need is window stacking. :) I know I could use Enlightenment or sawfish here, but IMHO there are other users than me who would appreciate such a feature in metacity. -- Lauri Jutila Chief Linux Fellow, Reforge lists at reforge.fi http://www.reforge.fi From maxka at myrealbox.com Sun Oct 26 21:39:33 2003 From: maxka at myrealbox.com (Maxwell Kanat-Alexander) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 13:39:33 -0800 Subject: networking not possible (with DHCP or manual set up) In-Reply-To: <1067042342.1868.163.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1067040907.2640.9.camel@node10a62.a2000.nl> <1067042342.1868.163.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1067204373.3151.33.camel@max> [This is a resend -- had sendmail troubles.] On Fri, 2003-10-24 at 17:39, Ed Hill wrote: > You might want to try turning off > Kudzu and/or upgrading to the latest Fedora Core kernel ("2105"). I saw that you solved the problem by turning off kudzu, but I wanted to add my two cents. I suspect that if you don't want to upgrade the whole kernel, and you don't want to turn off kudzu, you can probably solve the issue by manually compiling and updating to the latest netdrivers over at http://www.scyld.com/network/ It's only a few files, and they've been solid as a rock for me on three different types of network cards. Before I installed them, there was something in rawhide (probably kudzu) that made by 3c905 stop working entirely. Now everything is peachy. -M -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From nosp at xades.com Sun Oct 26 21:46:25 2003 From: nosp at xades.com (nosp) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 21:46:25 +0000 Subject: Beep on X11 login screen In-Reply-To: <1067204243.5438.14.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1066998889.7222.55.camel@binkley> <200310242313.h9ONDVY06620@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <20031026155010.B20494@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1067202473.5438.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1067202790.8842.23.camel@earth.xades.com> <1067204243.5438.14.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1067204785.8842.34.camel@earth.xades.com> On Sun, 2003-10-26 at 21:37, Lauri Jutila wrote: > Now all I need is window stacking. :) Yeah it's too bad it's not easy to find. It must be there somewhere since gkrellm can turn it on, it seems... From ryanpg at yahoo.com Sun Oct 26 21:51:01 2003 From: ryanpg at yahoo.com (Ryan G.) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 13:51:01 -0800 (PST) Subject: metacity question In-Reply-To: <20031026212101.29590.27796.Mailman@listman.back-rdu.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20031026215101.2145.qmail@web10003.mail.yahoo.com> Grr... Well I dumped Metacity for Sawfish once before... Guess I can do it again. I must have missed the earlier thread but did by chance it cover any of these issues; 1-wire frame window move mode 2-fancy tricks like putting a clock in the title-bar 3-customizable mouse clicks everywhere 4-window specific decorations 5-why the heck I'm using metacity Sorry for being a troll, just having fun. -ry ===== --r-- From nosp at xades.com Sun Oct 26 21:52:23 2003 From: nosp at xades.com (nosp) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 21:52:23 +0000 Subject: metacity question In-Reply-To: <20031026174452.66216.qmail@web10007.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20031026174452.66216.qmail@web10007.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1067205143.8842.41.camel@earth.xades.com> On Sun, 2003-10-26 at 17:44, Ryan G. wrote: > Yes, thanks for the response but I'd like the window MINIMIZED not > toggled between maximized and un-maximized. In other words I'd like > the window to "dissapear" from the screen ;-) when the title bar is > double clicked, that is what minimize means yes? Don't want to confuse > things using the wrong word. Yeah, good job by me for reading your mail so closely. As others have reported this does not seem like a supported feature. To make up for my over-quick reading of your mail I hacked your feature in to the latest rawhide metacity. I've tested it on my FC1T3 build and I can now double-click on the titlebar to minimize the window -- it's a very small patch so it may crash your machine but it works for me. Here are links to the rpm and src rpms (you probably just need the first one): http://www.xades.com/proj/metacity-2.6.2-1.i386.rpm http://www.xades.com/proj/metacity-debuginfo-2.6.2-1.i386.rpm http://www.xades.com/proj/metacity-2.6.2-1.src.rpm Alternately, here are links to the patch and the updated (one line) spec file: http://www.xades.com/proj/metacity-2.6.2-titlebar-dl-click-minimize.patch http://www.xades.com/proj/metacity.spec Once you install the updated RPM (rpm -ivh --force ) you have to run this (all one line) since there is no GUI support for enabling the feature yet :) : --- gconftool-2 -s /apps/metacity/general/action_double_click_titlebar "toggle_minimize" -t string --- I have not contacted the metacity folks so of course they may not accept this patch, although it is a minor one. After seeing the behavior in action, I can see that since it is not reversible by double-clicking on the titlebar (since obviously the window is now minimized), it may violate some design/UI principles anyway. From jakub at redhat.com Sun Oct 26 21:58:07 2003 From: jakub at redhat.com (Jakub Jelinek) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 16:58:07 -0500 Subject: RFT: openoffice.org tweaks to speed up startup In-Reply-To: <1067171932.3861.30.camel@powermate.chello.nl>; from p.van.egdom@chello.nl on Sun, Oct 26, 2003 at 01:38:52PM +0100 References: <20031025041425.W2097@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1067171932.3861.30.camel@powermate.chello.nl> Message-ID: <20031026165807.B2097@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Sun, Oct 26, 2003 at 01:38:52PM +0100, Peter van Egdom wrote: > It seems that with the tweaks Jakub did to OpenOffice.org the startup > time has decreased with a few seconds on my machine, which is nice. Thanks for the testing. > ps. I see some errors in "/var/log/prelink.log" : > > Prelinking /usr/lib/openoffice/program/getstyle-gnome /usr/sbin/prelink: > /usr/lib/openoffice/program/getstyle-gnome: Not enough room to add > .dynamic entry > > Prelinking /usr/lib/openoffice/program/msgbox-gnome /usr/sbin/prelink: > /usr/lib/openoffice/program/msgbox-gnome: Not enough room to add > .dynamic entry These are because those binaries were apparently not rebuilt on FC1 (well, it would be enough to be built on even RHL7.2 I think), but came in binary form from OO1.1 upstream. Here is an untested openoffice.org.spec patch which should fix this: --- openoffice.org.spec.jj2 Sun Oct 26 06:09:58 2003 +++ openoffice.org.spec Sun Oct 26 16:53:09 2003 @@ -63,7 +63,8 @@ BuildRequires: pam-devel, perl, sed, tcs BuildRequires: mozilla, XFree86-devel, XFree86-libs, bzip2 BuildRequires: bison, findutils, make >= 3.79.1, tar, freetype-devel BuildRequires: gcc >= 3.2.2, gcc-c++ >= 3.2.2, libstdc++-devel >= 3.2.2 -BuildRequires: mozilla-devel, db4-devel >= 4.0, libart_lgpl >= 2.3.13 +BuildRequires: mozilla-devel, db4-devel >= 4.0, libart_lgpl >= 2.3.13 +BuildRequires: gtk2-devel %if %{build_fedora} BuildRequires: startup-notification-devel @@ -354,6 +355,17 @@ mkdir -p %{buildroot}%{_libdir}/openoffi tar fxvj %{SOURCE6} ) +cd vcl/unx/source/gdi/getstyle +eval $(eval echo `sed -n 's/strip/:/;s/^ \* \$(CC)/gcc -O2 -g/p' getstyle-gnome.c` \ + | sed 's/-Wl,--export-dynamic//') +cd - +cd vcl/unx/source/gdi/native-msgbox +eval $(eval echo `sed -n 's/strip/:/;s/^ \* \$(CC)/gcc -O2 -g/p' msgbox.c` \ + | sed 's/-Wl,--export-dynamic//;s/msgbox-gnome.c/msgbox.c/;s/msgboc-gnome/msgbox-gnome/') +cd - +cp -a vcl/unx/source/gdi/getstyle/getstyle-gnome %{buildroot}%{_libdir}/openoffice/program/ +cp -a vcl/unx/source/gdi/getstyle/msgbox-gnome %{buildroot}%{_libdir}/openoffice/program/ + %if %{build_fedora} # Make soffice.bin more prelink friendly. # Every soffice.bin invocation with private:factory/s* argument Jakub From xose at wanadoo.es Sun Oct 26 22:00:02 2003 From: xose at wanadoo.es (Xose Vazquez Perez) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 23:00:02 +0100 Subject: networking not possible (with DHCP or manual set up) References: <1067040907.2640.9.camel@node10a62.a2000.nl> <1067042342.1868.163.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1067204373.3151.33.camel@max> Message-ID: <3F9C43E2.4020909@wanadoo.es> Maxwell Kanat-Alexander wrote: > I suspect that if you don't want to upgrade the whole kernel, and you > don't want to turn off kudzu, you can probably solve the issue by > manually compiling and updating to the latest netdrivers over at > http://www.scyld.com/network/ Those are unofficial LiNUX drivers. Latest are inside 2.4.23-pre8 and in Jeff's bk tree. -- HTML mails are going to trash automatically From nbirchler at earthlink.net Sun Oct 26 22:05:11 2003 From: nbirchler at earthlink.net (Neil Birchler) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 16:05:11 -0600 Subject: metacity question In-Reply-To: <200310261309.18989.elwoo@videotron.ca> References: <20031026174452.66216.qmail@web10007.mail.yahoo.com> <1067190929.4539.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> <200310261309.18989.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <1067205910.5792.17.camel@tower.steins.net> > If you check previous posts by others in this forum, you'll see that > this 'lacking option' is one of the downpoints of Nautilus. this has nothing to do with Nautilus and everything to do with the fact that Metacity has nearly _ZERO_ configuration options. i mean jeebuz, you can't even make a window always be on top. am i using ms windows, because i always thought *NIX stuff was supposed to be _more_ configurable. neil From nbirchler at earthlink.net Sun Oct 26 22:10:13 2003 From: nbirchler at earthlink.net (Neil Birchler) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 16:10:13 -0600 Subject: Beep on X11 login screen In-Reply-To: <1067202473.5438.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1066998889.7222.55.camel@binkley> <200310242313.h9ONDVY06620@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <20031026155010.B20494@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1067202473.5438.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1067206213.5792.20.camel@tower.steins.net> > Another great window management feature that's missing from metacity > (AFAIK) is the ability to set window sticky or set it on top of the all > other windows. That's another feature I have on my wish list for > metacity. Please tell me how to enable it if it's already there. > i second that emotion. how can i even begin to be as unproductive as i once was if i can no longer set my mplayer window to be always on top while i watch movies instead of working? neil From alan at redhat.com Sun Oct 26 22:11:12 2003 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 17:11:12 -0500 (EST) Subject: metacity question In-Reply-To: <1067205910.5792.17.camel@tower.steins.net> from "Neil Birchler" at Hyd 26, 2003 04:05:11 Message-ID: <200310262211.h9QMBCZ24426@devserv.devel.redhat.com> > that Metacity has nearly _ZERO_ configuration options. i mean jeebuz, > you can't even make a window always be on top. am i using ms windows, > because i always thought *NIX stuff was supposed to be _more_ > configurable. It is, you replace metacity with a more featureful window manager. Metacity has a lot of problems right now - windows sticking to the mouse, small screen handling flaws and buggy resizing but given its goals I don't see why you are moaning about the configuration stuff. Metacity is a simple window manager for basic stuff anyone can in theory use. Its like complaining gedit isnt fully emacs equivalent, you don't 'fix gedit' you use emacs. From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Sun Oct 26 22:15:02 2003 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 17:15:02 -0500 Subject: metacity question In-Reply-To: <200310262211.h9QMBCZ24426@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <200310262211.h9QMBCZ24426@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1067206502.29876.40.camel@binkley> On Sun, 2003-10-26 at 17:11, Alan Cox wrote: > > that Metacity has nearly _ZERO_ configuration options. i mean jeebuz, > > you can't even make a window always be on top. am i using ms windows, > > because i always thought *NIX stuff was supposed to be _more_ > > configurable. > > It is, you replace metacity with a more featureful window manager. Metacity > has a lot of problems right now - windows sticking to the mouse, small screen > handling flaws and buggy resizing but given its goals I don't see why you > are moaning about the configuration stuff. > > Metacity is a simple window manager for basic stuff anyone can in theory > use. Its like complaining gedit isnt fully emacs equivalent, you don't > 'fix gedit' you use emacs. Out of curiosity - what other gnome-compliant window managers 1. exist and 2. are being maintained. Also how do you go about changing window managers in gnome? there used to be a way to do it in the control panel, but that's not there anymore. -sv From nbirchler at earthlink.net Sun Oct 26 22:19:49 2003 From: nbirchler at earthlink.net (Neil Birchler) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 16:19:49 -0600 Subject: metacity question In-Reply-To: <200310262211.h9QMBCZ24426@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <200310262211.h9QMBCZ24426@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1067206789.5792.28.camel@tower.steins.net> > Metacity is a simple window manager for basic stuff anyone can in theory > use. Its like complaining gedit isnt fully emacs equivalent, you don't > 'fix gedit' you use emacs. point taken. "Always on Top" is not what i would consider an exotic feature though. neil From bcs at metacon.ca Sun Oct 26 22:26:58 2003 From: bcs at metacon.ca (Ben Steeves) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 18:26:58 -0400 Subject: Ctrl-Alt-Backspace Problem In-Reply-To: <200310262003.h9QK3lQ07297@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <200310262003.h9QK3lQ07297@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1067207218.7846.1.camel@ripley> On Sun, 2003-10-26 at 16:03, Alan Cox wrote: > > Um, did you read the beginning of the thread? The original poster and I > > *can't* use Ctrl-Alt-Backspace to kill X because it causes our machines > > to hibernate. We're trying to figure out what's causing that. > > Its hardwired behaviour with a few BIOSES It never used to happen 'til I installed FCT2. If it were hardwired into the BIOS, wouldn't it have always occurred? I have all the power management options in my BIOS turned off. -- Ben Steeves _ bcs at metacon.ca The ASCII ribbon campaign ( ) ben.steeves at unb.ca against HTML e-mail X GPG ID: 0xB3EBF1D9 http://www.metacon.ca/ascii / \ Yahoo Messenger: ben_steeves From david.ponce at wanadoo.fr Sun Oct 26 22:40:06 2003 From: david.ponce at wanadoo.fr (David Ponce) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 23:40:06 +0100 Subject: Unable to bootstrap GNU Emacs 21.3 (segfault) In-Reply-To: <20031026162736.A2097@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <18456542.1067016660647.JavaMail.www@wwinf0403> <3F9A7D6E.9090403@wanadoo.fr> <20031026153639.B12444@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1067206500.29876.30.camel@binkley> <20031026162736.A2097@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <3F9C4D46.2030306@wanadoo.fr> Hi, >>>Turn off exec-shield, it should work then. [...] > I think setarch i386 make ... should turn off randomization for > make and all its children, so emacs could have a chance to build. I did that and it worked! Thank you very much for your help. Where can I find information about exec-shield? I don't know at all what it is nor how I can turn it off. Is it safe to turn it off? David From alan at redhat.com Sun Oct 26 22:49:59 2003 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 17:49:59 -0500 (EST) Subject: Ctrl-Alt-Backspace Problem In-Reply-To: <1067207218.7846.1.camel@ripley> from "Ben Steeves" at Hyd 26, 2003 06:26:58 Message-ID: <200310262249.h9QMnxZ05576@devserv.devel.redhat.com> > It never used to happen 'til I installed FCT2. If it were hardwired > into the BIOS, wouldn't it have always occurred? I have all the power > management options in my BIOS turned off. In part it seems to depend if ACPI or APM are enabled. Some boxes do it always, some do it only if APM is not enabled and a few only do it if ACPI is loaded. From paul.morgan at jumanjihouse.com Sun Oct 26 23:18:50 2003 From: paul.morgan at jumanjihouse.com (Paul Morgan) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 17:18:50 -0600 Subject: metacity question In-Reply-To: <20031026215101.2145.qmail@web10003.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20031026215101.2145.qmail@web10003.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1067210329.13926.2.camel@vaio.jumanjihouse.com> On Sun, 2003-10-26 at 15:51, Ryan G. wrote: > I must have missed the earlier thread but did by chance it cover any of > these issues; > > 1-wire frame window move mode use gconf_editor to enable /apps/metacity/general/reduced_resources From lists at reforge.fi Sun Oct 26 23:18:57 2003 From: lists at reforge.fi (Lauri Jutila) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 01:18:57 +0200 Subject: Window management (was Re: metacity question) In-Reply-To: <1067206789.5792.28.camel@tower.steins.net> References: <200310262211.h9QMBCZ24426@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1067206789.5792.28.camel@tower.steins.net> Message-ID: <1067210337.23372.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> > > Metacity is a simple window manager for basic stuff anyone can in theory > > use. Its like complaining gedit isnt fully emacs equivalent, you don't > > 'fix gedit' you use emacs. > > point taken. "Always on Top" is not what i would consider an exotic > feature though. > > neil Ok, I decided to go back to old stomping grounds and install Enlightenment, v. 0.16.6-pre-something. Little bit tweaking around the configurations and I got it running as default WM. Everything seems to be OK and I get all the goodies Metacity lacks. To all considering switching out of Metacity, Enlightenment has the following neat, geeky and productive features: * multiple layers for windows (below, normal, above, on top) * sticky windows * window grouping for easier multiple window management * different border styles (borderless, border only, etc.) * E remembers window settings such as location, size and desktop I whole-heartedly recommend E as a window manager to everyone who thinks Metacity (or even sawfish) doesn't just cut it. The project seems to be still quite active, SF.net's project page shows 95+% activity and latest release was in this month. E's home is at http://www.enlightenment.org. Only annoyance is that when gnome-panel starts, it places the panel somewhere in the middle of the screen. I have to go panel settings every time and set it manually to top again to get where it should be in my preferences. Any chance of getting E included in Fedora? It was still in Red Hat 7.3/8 IIRC. -- Lauri Jutila Chief Linux Fellow, Reforge lists at reforge.fi http://www.reforge.fi From paul.morgan at jumanjihouse.com Sun Oct 26 23:29:26 2003 From: paul.morgan at jumanjihouse.com (Paul Morgan) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 17:29:26 -0600 Subject: Ctrl-Alt-Backspace Problem In-Reply-To: <200310262249.h9QMnxZ05576@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <200310262249.h9QMnxZ05576@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1067210965.13926.12.camel@vaio.jumanjihouse.com> On Sun, 2003-10-26 at 16:49, Alan Cox wrote: > > It never used to happen 'til I installed FCT2. If it were hardwired > > into the BIOS, wouldn't it have always occurred? I have all the power > > management options in my BIOS turned off. > > In part it seems to depend if ACPI or APM are enabled. Some boxes do > it always, some do it only if APM is not enabled and a few only do it > if ACPI is loaded. A few weeks ago I worked on a client's machine that exhibited this behavior with both RH9 and Suse 8.2. It was not worth the time (money) to troubleshoot it further, but it's interesting nonetheless. From steve at stevecowles.com Sun Oct 26 23:42:09 2003 From: steve at stevecowles.com (Cowles, Steve) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 17:42:09 -0600 Subject: What's the deal with 'top' ? Message-ID: <90769AF04F76D41186C700A0C90AFC3E320CCA@defiant.infohiiway.com> I'm running a fully patched Fedora system on a single P4/1.7G with 256MB of RAM. I was using the command "top" to view processes and noticed that it showed my CPU was 0.0% idle when I started X (gnome). But yet no process(s) were consuming 100% of the CPU (see below). Lot of RAM though, especially the X process. The odd part is if I stop X (logout), top shows 99.0% free. Also, if I use the X based 'system monitor' command, it seems to correctly display the CPU utilization. Which is like 2% utilization when idle. Is anyone else seeing this behavior? Seems unique to the nptl based kernels only. I don't see this on my RH-9 system. Steve Cowles ---------------------------------------------------- # grep "Linux version" /var/log/messages Oct 26 06:51:00 enterprise kernel: Linux version 2.4.22-1.2108.nptl # grep CPU: /var/log/messages Oct 26 06:51:03 enterprise kernel: CPU: Trace cache: 12K uops, L1 D cache: 8K Oct 26 06:51:03 enterprise kernel: CPU: L2 cache: 256K Oct 26 06:51:03 enterprise kernel: CPU: Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 1.70GHz stepping 03 # cat top.x (with X running) 16:59:46 up 5 min, 5 users, load average: 0.67, 0.46, 0.20 71 processes: 69 sleeping, 2 running, 0 zombie, 0 stopped CPU states: cpu user nice system irq softirq iowait idle total 0.0% 0.0% 0.0% 33.6% 34.0% 32.3% 0.0% Mem: 255500k av, 197528k used, 57972k free, 0k shrd, 11056k buff 48968k active, 127676k inactive Swap: 265064k av, 0k used, 265064k free 89456k cached PID USER PRI NI SIZE RSS SHARE STAT %CPU %MEM TIME CPU COMMAND 1099 root 15 0 275M 19M 7232 S 0.0 7.7 0:01 0 X 1251 scowles 16 0 21076 20M 1980 S 0.0 8.2 0:00 0 gconfd-2 1288 scowles 16 0 16804 16M 9924 S 0.0 6.5 0:01 0 nautilus 1299 scowles 16 0 10536 10M 8108 S 0.0 4.1 0:00 0 gnome-panel 1308 scowles 15 0 13264 12M 7772 S 0.0 5.1 0:00 0 gnome-termina 1324 scowles 25 10 13500 13M 8884 S N 0.0 5.2 0:00 0 rhn-applet-gu # cat top.no_x (no X running) 16:57:11 up 2 min, 1 user, load average: 0.49, 0.34, 0.13 47 processes: 46 sleeping, 1 running, 0 zombie, 0 stopped CPU states: cpu user nice system irq softirq iowait idle total 0.0% 0.0% 0.9% 0.0% 0.0% 0.0% 99.0% Mem: 255500k av, 97752k used, 157748k free, 0k shrd, 7232k buff 30768k active, 52148k inactive Swap: 265064k av, 0k used, 265064k free 56164k cached PID USER PRI NI SIZE RSS SHARE STAT %CPU %MEM TIME CPU COMMAND 1182 scowles 16 0 1048 1048 888 R 0.9 0.4 0:00 0 top 1 root 16 0 424 424 364 S 0.0 0.1 0:04 0 init 2 root 15 0 0 0 0 SW 0.0 0.0 0:00 0 keventd From jansen at strw.leidenuniv.nl Sun Oct 26 23:44:40 2003 From: jansen at strw.leidenuniv.nl (David Jansen) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 00:44:40 +0100 Subject: Beep on X11 login screen Message-ID: <20031026234440.GA19076@strw.leidenuniv.nl> On Sun, Oct 26, 2003 at 11:07:53PM +0200, Lauri Jutila wrote: [...] > That's a PC speaker beep (and it's painful). There really should be an > option to change it on/off. Back in the days GNOME had a entire Control > Center section devoted to configuring the speaker. You could set nice > low Hz and short beep which was much more user-friendly. That was a > sawfish feature, though. I'd love to see it in metacity, too. The pc speaker can still be controlled though xset, e.g. 'xset b 10' puts the bell on 10% volume. However, I haven't figured out where to execute this to lower the volume of the gdm startup beep. Can't do it from an init script, since X isn't running (and xset modifies settings in the X server), and the gdm session scripts are too late. So no workaround here, needs to be set in the gdm source code... David Jansen From jansen at strw.leidenuniv.nl Sun Oct 26 23:49:32 2003 From: jansen at strw.leidenuniv.nl (David Jansen) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 00:49:32 +0100 Subject: Ctrl-Alt-Backspace Problem Message-ID: <20031026234932.GA19200@strw.leidenuniv.nl> On Sun, Oct 26, 2003 at 12:38:31AM -0300, Ben Steeves wrote: > On Sat, 2003-10-25 at 22:10, Steven Mackay wrote: > > OK I'm a relative newbie so excuse any stupidity on my part. > > > > I have an Athlon XP 2400+ and when I press Ctrl-Alt-Backspace instead of > > restarting X11 I get an immediate shutdown (instant power off) > > I have the same problem -- my machine goes into hibernation mode when I > use Ctrl-Alt-Del. I have all the power management features in my BIOS > turned off, so I'm not sure what causes this behavior. I'm using an ECS > K7S5A motherboard and an Athlon 1800+. > > It only started happening since I installed Fedora Core Test 2. > Previous to that I was using RH9 -- FCT2 was a clean install. Just a guess: might it be related to ACPI being used in the new kernels? I don't know the K7S5A but I've seen with other boards/BIOSes that power ACPI still does have effect even though you switch it off. Try booting without ACPI, maybe it makes a difference. David Jansen From jjramsey_6x9eq42 at yahoo.com Sun Oct 26 23:53:10 2003 From: jjramsey_6x9eq42 at yahoo.com (James J. Ramsey) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 15:53:10 -0800 (PST) Subject: Trying to get the Graphire to work Message-ID: <20031026235310.58724.qmail@web10708.mail.yahoo.com> I think I may be trying to workaround a bug here (already posted on Bugzilla ). Anyway, I'm having a dog of a time getting my USB Wacom Graphire tablet to work. Fedora appears to refuse to recognize it on boot. Here's what I have had to do: 1. Create two files, XF86Config.serial-mouse and XF86Config.wacom. XF86Config.serial-mouse is just the copy of the XF86Config file that Anaconda made upon installation. (I used a serial mouse during the install.) XF86Config.wacom is a hand-modified XF86Config, with all the appropriate stuff to handle the Graphire. 2. Boot Fedora without the Graphire, with my serial mouse, and with an XF86Config that has the same contents as XF86Config.serial-mouse. 3. Plug in my Graphire. The LED that indicates that it is powered on lights up. 4. cp XF86Config.wacom XF86Config 5. Restart X. At this point everything pretty much works, except that the mouse cursor is initially frozen and I have to touch the stylus to the tablet to unfreeze it. Once I reboot, it all goes to pieces. The LED on my tablet won't light up, and lsusb produces no output, not even an entry for my USB scanner. The "scanner" kernel module doesn't even load, though the "wacom" kernel module does. I can think of one thing that I'm doing that might contribute to the problem. X needs a CorePointer device to start up, so one of the things recommended in the HOWTOs has been to 1) set the AllowMouseOpenFail flag and 2) to set up a bogus InputDevice as the CorePointer. The device file for this bogus InputDevice is some non-existent file, like /dev/fake. This is probably why the mouse cursor was initially frozen. Any ideas for a fix or a workaround? __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/ From fedora at warmcat.com Sun Oct 26 23:53:13 2003 From: fedora at warmcat.com (Andy Green) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 00:53:13 +0100 Subject: Beep on X11 login screen In-Reply-To: <20031026234440.GA19076@strw.leidenuniv.nl> References: <20031026234440.GA19076@strw.leidenuniv.nl> Message-ID: <200310262353.14441.fedora@warmcat.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Sunday 26 October 2003 23:44, David Jansen wrote: > The pc speaker can still be controlled though xset, e.g. 'xset b 10' > puts the bell on 10% volume. However, I haven't figured out where to Does this work with normal PCs? I'm pretty sure the basic bell thing is a single fixed amplitude TTL signal from the IBM XT days of yore. (I guess you could use PWM to simulate a reduced amplitude given the inertia of the speaker coil even so... hm) Modern audio chipsets take in the TTL-level bell and allow it to be attenuated with a volume control, but is it true that X really knows how to do this? It doesn't touch audio in any other way AFAIK (which may not be far enough!). - -Andy -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/nF5pjKeDCxMJCTIRAutbAJ9amSSCWT/yRb9aUIpiwTPQV+tENACeOu2H rgfqMAvzkf+sOLWSJ3TplMc= =Pz3r -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From jansen at strw.leidenuniv.nl Mon Oct 27 00:05:12 2003 From: jansen at strw.leidenuniv.nl (David Jansen) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 01:05:12 +0100 Subject: Ctrl-Alt-Backspace Problem Message-ID: <20031027000511.GB19200@strw.leidenuniv.nl> Does anyone know whether Ctrl-Alt-Backspace can be remapped? xmodmap shows the functions on this key as 22 0xff08 (BackSpace) 0xfed5 (Terminate_Server) but so far I haven't been able to bind Terminate_Server to any other key. Well, xmodmap accepts it, and shows it in subsequent listings, but the key just doesn't do anything. David From nbirchler at earthlink.net Mon Oct 27 00:32:30 2003 From: nbirchler at earthlink.net (Neil Birchler) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 18:32:30 -0600 Subject: Trying to get the Graphire to work In-Reply-To: <20031026235310.58724.qmail@web10708.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20031026235310.58724.qmail@web10708.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1067214750.5792.37.camel@tower.steins.net> have you tried looking here: http://linuxwacom.sourceforge.net/ From shrek-m at gmx.de Mon Oct 27 00:46:54 2003 From: shrek-m at gmx.de (shrek-m at gmx.de) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 01:46:54 +0100 Subject: Window management (was Re: metacity question) In-Reply-To: <1067210337.23372.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <200310262211.h9QMBCZ24426@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1067206789.5792.28.camel@tower.steins.net> <1067210337.23372.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <3F9C6AFE.1040000@gmx.de> Lauri Jutila wrote: >Any chance of getting E included in Fedora? It was still in Red Hat >7.3/8 IIRC. > > i think, no :-( $ grep -5 enlight /usr/share/doc/redhat-release-8.0/7.3/RELEASE-NOTES-i386 Package Reorganization The following applications and packages not previously mentioned have been removed from Red Hat Linux 7.3: * enlightenment * ext2ed * fnlib * gnome-pim * isapnptools * kaffe i missed enlightenment too, but i think it shouldn?t be too much windowmanagers and desktopmanagers in redhat/fedora. http://www.xwinman.org/ -- shrek-m From bfd at pcisys.net Mon Oct 27 00:48:40 2003 From: bfd at pcisys.net (BFD) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 00:48:40 +0000 Subject: User time now displays in UTC, not local Message-ID: <3F9C6B68.6050500@pcisys.net> Hello, I am running Fedora, Test3. The time on my system for me as a user, previously in local time, is now showing in UTC. This shows for the "date" and "hwclock --show" commands, as well as the panel clock for KDE. The time shown by the date and hwclock commands and panel clock when root are in local time. When attempting to change the time on the panel clock, after I enter the root password, the dialog box shows local time, but it does not apply this to the clock. I have not that I know of, changed anything. The system automatically reset itself this morning to daylight savings time and at that time was showing local time. Can anyone explain this, and how to change it back to reflect local time as a user? BFD From michal at harddata.com Mon Oct 27 00:57:12 2003 From: michal at harddata.com (Michal Jaegermann) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 17:57:12 -0700 Subject: Beep on X11 login screen In-Reply-To: <1067202790.8842.23.camel@earth.xades.com>; from nosp@xades.com on Sun, Oct 26, 2003 at 09:13:10PM +0000 References: <1066998889.7222.55.camel@binkley> <200310242313.h9ONDVY06620@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <20031026155010.B20494@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1067202473.5438.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1067202790.8842.23.camel@earth.xades.com> Message-ID: <20031026175712.C16302@mail.harddata.com> On Sun, Oct 26, 2003 at 09:13:10PM +0000, nosp wrote: > > Sticky = "put on all workspaces", right? No, not really, although somewhat close. A big difference is a visual junk in your pager. Still missing a capability to put there a window without any decorations (frames, title bar, etc.) and sticky too. Michal From paul.morgan at jumanjihouse.com Mon Oct 27 01:13:10 2003 From: paul.morgan at jumanjihouse.com (Paul Morgan) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 19:13:10 -0600 Subject: User time now displays in UTC, not local In-Reply-To: <3F9C6B68.6050500@pcisys.net> References: <3F9C6B68.6050500@pcisys.net> Message-ID: <1067217190.13926.14.camel@vaio.jumanjihouse.com> On Sun, 2003-10-26 at 18:48, BFD wrote: > Can anyone explain this, and how to change it back to reflect local time > as a user? Did you try right-clicking the panel clock and unchecking UTC? From paul.morgan at jumanjihouse.com Mon Oct 27 01:18:35 2003 From: paul.morgan at jumanjihouse.com (Paul Morgan) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 19:18:35 -0600 Subject: User time now displays in UTC, not local In-Reply-To: <3F9C6B68.6050500@pcisys.net> References: <3F9C6B68.6050500@pcisys.net> Message-ID: <1067217515.13926.17.camel@vaio.jumanjihouse.com> On Sun, 2003-10-26 at 18:48, BFD wrote: > Can anyone explain this, and how to change it back to reflect local time > as a user? Did you try right-clicking the panel clock, Preferences..., and unchecking UTC? From jjramsey_6x9eq42 at yahoo.com Mon Oct 27 02:02:24 2003 From: jjramsey_6x9eq42 at yahoo.com (James J. Ramsey) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 18:02:24 -0800 (PST) Subject: Trying to get the Graphire to work In-Reply-To: <1067214750.5792.37.camel@tower.steins.net> Message-ID: <20031027020224.54948.qmail@web10709.mail.yahoo.com> --- Neil Birchler wrote: > have you tried looking here: > > http://linuxwacom.sourceforge.net/ Yes. The latest info was for Red Hat 8, and what was there didn't seem to help. Also, SuSE 8.2 doesn't seem to have this problem, so it looks Red Hat/Fedora specific. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/ From JDrabb at tampabay.rr.com Mon Oct 27 02:05:10 2003 From: JDrabb at tampabay.rr.com (James Drabb) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 21:05:10 -0500 Subject: metacity question In-Reply-To: <1067210329.13926.2.camel@vaio.jumanjihouse.com> References: <20031026215101.2145.qmail@web10003.mail.yahoo.com> <1067210329.13926.2.camel@vaio.jumanjihouse.com> Message-ID: <1067220310.4649.132.camel@keelie.tampabay.rr.com> On Sun, 2003-10-26 at 18:18, Paul Morgan wrote: > On Sun, 2003-10-26 at 15:51, Ryan G. wrote: > > I must have missed the earlier thread but did by chance it cover any of > > these issues; > > > > 1-wire frame window move mode > > use gconf_editor to enable /apps/metacity/general/reduced_resources Thanks for this info! This is the ONLY feature I have wanted in matacity for some time now. Before, when I would move windows around my processor would spike sometimes up to 80%+. Jim Drabb -- James Drabb Senior Programmer Analyst Davenport, FL USA From jjramsey_6x9eq42 at yahoo.com Mon Oct 27 02:16:50 2003 From: jjramsey_6x9eq42 at yahoo.com (James J. Ramsey) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 18:16:50 -0800 (PST) Subject: Trying to get the Graphire to work In-Reply-To: <20031026235310.58724.qmail@web10708.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20031027021650.33769.qmail@web10705.mail.yahoo.com> --- "James J. Ramsey" wrote: > I can think of one thing that I'm doing that might > contribute to the problem. X needs a CorePointer > device to start up, so one of the things recommended > in the HOWTOs has been to 1) set the > AllowMouseOpenFail flag and 2) to set up a bogus > InputDevice as the CorePointer. The device file for > this bogus InputDevice is some non-existent file, > like > /dev/fake. This is probably why the mouse cursor was > initially frozen. Unfortunately, fixing this didn't help. I ditched the bogus InputDevice and set the Wacom mouse (the cursor) as the CorePointer. I still have all the same problems. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/ From ojgbagg27ab at msn.com Mon Oct 27 02:23:35 2003 From: ojgbagg27ab at msn.com (alton bailey) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 21:23:35 -0500 Subject: User time now displays in UTC, not local Message-ID: go to system setting select date & time to change anything you want alton >From: Paul Morgan >Reply-To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com >To: Fedora Test >Subject: Re: User time now displays in UTC, not local >Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 19:13:10 -0600 > >On Sun, 2003-10-26 at 18:48, BFD wrote: > > Can anyone explain this, and how to change it back to reflect local time > > as a user? > >Did you try right-clicking the panel clock and unchecking UTC? > > >-- >fedora-test-list mailing list >fedora-test-list at redhat.com >http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list _________________________________________________________________ Never get a busy signal because you are always connected with high-speed Internet access. Click here to comparison-shop providers. https://broadband.msn.com From bfd at pcisys.net Mon Oct 27 02:53:14 2003 From: bfd at pcisys.net (BFD) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 02:53:14 +0000 Subject: User time now displays in UTC, not local In-Reply-To: <1067217515.13926.17.camel@vaio.jumanjihouse.com> References: <3F9C6B68.6050500@pcisys.net> <1067217515.13926.17.camel@vaio.jumanjihouse.com> Message-ID: <3F9C889A.90904@pcisys.net> Paul Morgan wrote: > On Sun, 2003-10-26 at 18:48, BFD wrote: > >> Can anyone explain this, and how to change it back to reflect local time >> as a user? > > > Did you try right-clicking the panel clock, Preferences..., and > unchecking UTC? This was never checked to begin with and it is not checked now. I almost wonder if this is a permissions problem somewhere. BFD From bfd at pcisys.net Mon Oct 27 02:55:09 2003 From: bfd at pcisys.net (BFD) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 02:55:09 +0000 Subject: User time now displays in UTC, not local In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3F9C890D.8010404@pcisys.net> alton bailey wrote: > go to system setting select date & time to change anything you want Yes, I have tried that. The system time when using root is correct, and in local time. It is only when I am a user that it is in UTC, and nothing I do changes it. I wonder if this is a permissions problem somewhere. BFD From bfd at pcisys.net Mon Oct 27 02:58:53 2003 From: bfd at pcisys.net (BFD) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 02:58:53 +0000 Subject: Configuring system-wide settings without typing the root password Message-ID: <3F9C89ED.6020602@pcisys.net> I keep getting a dialog box popping up saying: "You're currently authorized to configure system-wide settings (that affect all users) without typing the administrator password again. You can give up this authorization." Where is this coming from?. Everything I've ever done as root was only after I used the su command to change to it. BFD From smearp at mac.com Mon Oct 27 03:04:28 2003 From: smearp at mac.com (Sean Earp) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 19:04:28 -0800 Subject: Security Level Configuration (Other ports) In-Reply-To: <200310221621.26855.elwoo@videotron.ca> References: <200310221621.26855.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <1067223868.14551.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hello all- I am in the process of reading through "Teach yourself Red Hat Linux 9 in 24 Hours" and am learning more than I though possible. I am actually running FC1 Test 3, and for the most part, the book applies. However, I am reading up on XDMCP to run Gnome over a remote X connection. I am able to turn on XDMCP with no problems in FC1, but the next step is to open up TCP/UDP ports 177 in the firewall. I fire up the Security Level Configuration tool to open up these two ports, but there is not an "other ports" box (as apparently there was in RH9) to open up ports other than http, ssh, ftp, etc... My questions are as follows: 1) Any reason in particular that this feature would be removed? There are about a million reasons why ports other than the standard 5 would need to be opened, and a simple interface (integrated into the current Security Level Configuration app) for customizing the (nonstandard) open ports would be nice. 2) Am I going to have to play around with iptables at the command line to open up these two ports (if yes, just let me know, and I'll man/info iptables). Any info would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, -Sean From petersen at redhat.com Mon Oct 27 03:18:11 2003 From: petersen at redhat.com (Jens Petersen) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 12:18:11 +0900 Subject: Unable to bootstrap GNU Emacs 21.3 (segfault) In-Reply-To: <3F9C4D46.2030306@wanadoo.fr> References: <18456542.1067016660647.JavaMail.www@wwinf0403> <3F9A7D6E.9090403@wanadoo.fr> <20031026153639.B12444@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1067206500.29876.30.camel@binkley> <20031026162736.A2097@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <3F9C4D46.2030306@wanadoo.fr> Message-ID: This is . >>>>> "DP" == David Ponce writes: >>>> Turn off exec-shield, it should work then. DP> [...] >> I think setarch i386 make ... should turn off >> randomization for make and all its children, so emacs >> could have a chance to build. DP> I did that and it worked! Thank you very much for DP> your help. This should get fixed in the next emacs build. DP> Where can I find information about exec-shield? I DP> don't know at all what it is nor how I can turn it DP> off. Is it safe to turn it off? In the Release Notes. :-) Jens From 1midniterider at comcast.net Mon Oct 27 03:26:40 2003 From: 1midniterider at comcast.net (Marcus White) Date: 26 Oct 2003 22:26:40 -0500 Subject: What's the deal with 'top' ? In-Reply-To: <90769AF04F76D41186C700A0C90AFC3E320CCA@defiant.infohiiway.com> References: <90769AF04F76D41186C700A0C90AFC3E320CCA@defiant.infohiiway.com> Message-ID: <1067225200.14082.3597.camel@tbird> Yes, this is a known issue and has been reported in bugzilla, at least according to earlier posts. On Sun, 2003-10-26 at 18:42, Cowles, Steve wrote: > I'm running a fully patched Fedora system on a single P4/1.7G with 256MB of > RAM. > > I was using the command "top" to view processes and noticed that it showed > my CPU was 0.0% idle when I started X (gnome). But yet no process(s) were > consuming 100% of the CPU (see below). Lot of RAM though, especially the X > process. The odd part is if I stop X (logout), top shows 99.0% free. > > Also, if I use the X based 'system monitor' command, it seems to correctly > display the CPU utilization. Which is like 2% utilization when idle. > > Is anyone else seeing this behavior? Seems unique to the nptl based kernels > only. I don't see this on my RH-9 system. > > Steve Cowles > > ---------------------------------------------------- > > # grep "Linux version" /var/log/messages > Oct 26 06:51:00 enterprise kernel: Linux version 2.4.22-1.2108.nptl > > # grep CPU: /var/log/messages > Oct 26 06:51:03 enterprise kernel: CPU: Trace cache: 12K uops, L1 D cache: > 8K > Oct 26 06:51:03 enterprise kernel: CPU: L2 cache: 256K > Oct 26 06:51:03 enterprise kernel: CPU: Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 1.70GHz > stepping 03 > > # cat top.x (with X running) > 16:59:46 up 5 min, 5 users, load average: 0.67, 0.46, 0.20 > 71 processes: 69 sleeping, 2 running, 0 zombie, 0 stopped > CPU states: cpu user nice system irq softirq iowait idle > total 0.0% 0.0% 0.0% 33.6% 34.0% 32.3% 0.0% > Mem: 255500k av, 197528k used, 57972k free, 0k shrd, 11056k > buff > 48968k active, 127676k inactive > Swap: 265064k av, 0k used, 265064k free 89456k > cached > > PID USER PRI NI SIZE RSS SHARE STAT %CPU %MEM TIME CPU COMMAND > 1099 root 15 0 275M 19M 7232 S 0.0 7.7 0:01 0 X > 1251 scowles 16 0 21076 20M 1980 S 0.0 8.2 0:00 0 gconfd-2 > 1288 scowles 16 0 16804 16M 9924 S 0.0 6.5 0:01 0 nautilus > 1299 scowles 16 0 10536 10M 8108 S 0.0 4.1 0:00 0 > gnome-panel > 1308 scowles 15 0 13264 12M 7772 S 0.0 5.1 0:00 0 > gnome-termina > 1324 scowles 25 10 13500 13M 8884 S N 0.0 5.2 0:00 0 > rhn-applet-gu > > # cat top.no_x (no X running) > 16:57:11 up 2 min, 1 user, load average: 0.49, 0.34, 0.13 > 47 processes: 46 sleeping, 1 running, 0 zombie, 0 stopped > CPU states: cpu user nice system irq softirq iowait idle > total 0.0% 0.0% 0.9% 0.0% 0.0% 0.0% 99.0% > Mem: 255500k av, 97752k used, 157748k free, 0k shrd, 7232k > buff > 30768k active, 52148k inactive > Swap: 265064k av, 0k used, 265064k free 56164k > cached > > PID USER PRI NI SIZE RSS SHARE STAT %CPU %MEM TIME CPU COMMAND > 1182 scowles 16 0 1048 1048 888 R 0.9 0.4 0:00 0 top > 1 root 16 0 424 424 364 S 0.0 0.1 0:04 0 init > 2 root 15 0 0 0 0 SW 0.0 0.0 0:00 0 keventd > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list -- Marcus White <1midniterider at comcast.net> From ojgbagg27ab at msn.com Mon Oct 27 03:31:40 2003 From: ojgbagg27ab at msn.com (alton bailey) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 22:31:40 -0500 Subject: Security Level Configuration (Other ports) Message-ID: in the space at the bottom of the firewall cfg just type tcp:177 and so on to open whatever port you wish alton >From: Sean Earp >Reply-To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com >To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com >Subject: Security Level Configuration (Other ports) >Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 19:04:28 -0800 > >Hello all- > >I am in the process of reading through "Teach yourself Red Hat Linux 9 >in 24 Hours" and am learning more than I though possible. I am actually >running FC1 Test 3, and for the most part, the book applies. > >However, I am reading up on XDMCP to run Gnome over a remote X >connection. I am able to turn on XDMCP with no problems in FC1, but the >next step is to open up TCP/UDP ports 177 in the firewall. I fire up >the Security Level Configuration tool to open up these two ports, but >there is not an "other ports" box (as apparently there was in RH9) to >open up ports other than http, ssh, ftp, etc... > >My questions are as follows: > >1) Any reason in particular that this feature would be removed? There >are about a million reasons why ports other than the standard 5 would >need to be opened, and a simple interface (integrated into the current >Security Level Configuration app) for customizing the (nonstandard) open >ports would be nice. > >2) Am I going to have to play around with iptables at the command line >to open up these two ports (if yes, just let me know, and I'll man/info >iptables). > >Any info would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, > >-Sean > > > >-- >fedora-test-list mailing list >fedora-test-list at redhat.com >http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list _________________________________________________________________ Cheer a special someone with a fun Halloween eCard from American Greetings! Go to http://www.msn.americangreetings.com/index_msn.pd?source=msne134 From netopml at newview.com Mon Oct 27 03:32:28 2003 From: netopml at newview.com (netopml at newview.com) Date: 26 Oct 2003 22:32:28 -0500 Subject: User time now displays in UTC, not local In-Reply-To: <3F9C890D.8010404@pcisys.net> References: <3F9C890D.8010404@pcisys.net> Message-ID: bfd at pcisys.net (BFD) writes: > Yes, I have tried that. The system time when using root is correct, and in > local time. > > It is only when I am a user that it is in UTC, and nothing I do changes it. > > I wonder if this is a permissions problem somewhere. Yeah, check the permission on /etc/localtime (if it's x00, users will get time as UTC) and let us know. -- Mathieu Chouquet-Stringer E-Mail : mathieu at newview.com Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity. -- Hanlon's Razor -- From whooperhsd3 at earthlink.net Mon Oct 27 04:24:51 2003 From: whooperhsd3 at earthlink.net (William Hooper) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 23:24:51 -0500 (EST) Subject: Security Level Configuration (Other ports) In-Reply-To: <1067223868.14551.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <200310221621.26855.elwoo@videotron.ca> <1067223868.14551.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <64661.69.68.37.57.1067228691.squirrel@69.68.37.57> Sean Earp said: >I fire up > the Security Level Configuration tool to open up these two ports, but > there is not an "other ports" box (as apparently there was in RH9) to > open up ports other than http, ssh, ftp, etc... > > My questions are as follows: > > 1) Any reason in particular that this feature would be removed? There > are about a million reasons why ports other than the standard 5 would > need to be opened, and a simple interface (integrated into the current > Security Level Configuration app) for customizing the (nonstandard) open > ports would be nice. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=105827 Oddly enough, it is still there in redhat-config-securitylevel-tui > 2) Am I going to have to play around with iptables at the command line > to open up these two ports (if yes, just let me know, and I'll man/info > iptables). Any serious firewall work will most likely require iptables knowledge, or a more advanced frontend (shorewall, firestarter, etc.) -- William Hooper From elwoo at videotron.ca Mon Oct 27 05:23:53 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 00:23:53 -0500 Subject: would someone kindly clarify this paragaph, please (RH business model) Message-ID: <200310270023.53972.elwoo@videotron.ca> "Open source software is not free. Though freedom may be an abstract concept for commercial products, it can be ideal for software. Free software means no one company can fully own and conceal it. Software lock-in is impossible." I have just read, and re-read the above statement four times, and I still don't understand it. Here's the link: http://www.redhat.com/about/mission/business_model.html What I see with my eyes, have read, and (hopefully) understood is: "Open source software is NOT free". This statement is copied and pasted directly _as is_ from the Red Hat web page. Are my eyes deceiving me, or am I NOT understanding something here? ... and NO, I am *not* being sarcastic. I honestly can not understand that statement. Elton. -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From drepper at redhat.com Mon Oct 27 05:28:31 2003 From: drepper at redhat.com (Ulrich Drepper) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 21:28:31 -0800 Subject: Java crashes thoug I export LD_ASSUME_KERNEL, Domino works now In-Reply-To: <3F9925F7.4030901@epost.de> References: <3F8400B5.6030609@epost.de> <200310081218.25383.elwoo@videotron.ca> <3F867EC2.1050202@epost.de> <200310101429.04134.elwoo@videotron.ca> <1065816402.9792.132.camel@palin> <1065952359.884.8.camel@animal> <3F9925F7.4030901@epost.de> Message-ID: <3F9CACFF.80805@redhat.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Rainer Traut wrote: > Problem I still think is, that the > LD_ASSUME_KERNEL varaiable is getting ignored. How do you figure that? There is no way to suppress using LD_ASSUME_KERNEL. The envvar is looked at and handled in ld.so, long before any user code is run. - -- - --------------. ,-. 444 Castro Street Ulrich Drepper \ ,-----------------' \ Mountain View, CA 94041 USA Red Hat `--' drepper at redhat.com `--------------------------- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/nKz/2ijCOnn/RHQRAgwtAJ96F1Q2mTcbXtDJ2jLtg5fVxwhAeACfUmOF Bdqz8NL8h0GtK7I1sPQY0W4= =PMFu -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From dnrlinux at san.rr.com Mon Oct 27 05:48:45 2003 From: dnrlinux at san.rr.com (Don Russell) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 21:48:45 -0800 Subject: would someone kindly clarify this paragaph, please (RH business model) References: <200310270023.53972.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <011801c39c4d$fc7e5b20$030a0a0a@NATASHA> That's correct.... there is no requirement that "Open source" equates to "no charge". Just as "binary executable only" doesn't mean $ involved.... (freeware, shareware, post-card-ware etc) What open source does ensure is that the user of the software has the option to enhance/fix/modify the software. Don't think of "free" being the same as "no charge". In this case "free" means "free to change"... free as in freedom, not as in free beer. For example, you may download red hat linux for no charge, but yoy get no support from red hat.... you may purchase the same code and get support. Both of those are "open source"... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elton Woo" To: "fedora-test-list" Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2003 9:23 PM Subject: would someone kindly clarify this paragaph, please (RH business model) > "Open source software is not free. Though freedom may be an abstract concept > for commercial products, it can be ideal for software. Free software means no > one company can fully own and conceal it. Software lock-in is impossible." > > I have just read, and re-read the above statement four times, and I still > don't understand it. > Here's the link: > > http://www.redhat.com/about/mission/business_model.html > > What I see with my eyes, have read, and (hopefully) understood is: > "Open source software is NOT free". This statement is copied > and pasted directly _as is_ from the Red Hat web page. Are my > eyes deceiving me, or am I NOT understanding something here? > > ... and NO, I am *not* being sarcastic. I honestly can not understand > that statement. > > Elton. > -- > http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html > "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." > LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. > > > > > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From dennis at ausil.us Mon Oct 27 06:06:21 2003 From: dennis at ausil.us (Dennis Gilmore) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 16:06:21 +1000 Subject: would someone kindly clarify this paragaph, please (RH business model) In-Reply-To: <200310270023.53972.elwoo@videotron.ca> References: <200310270023.53972.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <200310271606.23243.dennis@ausil.us> Once upon a time at band camp Mon, 27 Oct 2003 3:23 pm, Elton Woo wrote: > What I see with my eyes, have read, and (hopefully) understood is: > "Open source software is NOT free". This statement is copied > and pasted directly _as is_ from the Red Hat web page. Are my > eyes deceiving me, or am I NOT understanding something here? i see it this way. its not free in that someone has to be either paid to develop the software or someone has to generously donate their time to do it. thats a cost. not only is there that cost involved but also it comes with a price to all users to show there respect of the integrity of the product and the terms of licencing weather that be GPL, BSD or some other free license. would you be happy if i took something you wrote rip out every reference to you and put my name in instead. i doubt it. so theres a price involved for the whole community to ensure that the rights of others are maintained. Dennis From smearp at mac.com Mon Oct 27 06:57:51 2003 From: smearp at mac.com (Sean Earp) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 22:57:51 -0800 Subject: Security Level Configuration (Other ports) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Oct 26, 2003, at 7:31 PM, alton bailey wrote: > in the space at the bottom of the firewall cfg just type tcp:177 and > so on to open whatever port you wish Thanks Alton- I must be missing something... In the Security Level Configuration app, there is no place to type anything... There are 5 checkboxes for www,ftp,ssh,telnet, and SMTP, and then check boxes to select my trusted devices. As I understand it, the RH9 version of the Security Level Configuration app DID have a box that would allow you to type exactly as described... Unfortunately in the latest release of Fedora, it is simply not there. I can't think of any reason why Red Hat would have removed it... -Sean From smearp at mac.com Mon Oct 27 07:08:44 2003 From: smearp at mac.com (Sean Earp) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 23:08:44 -0800 Subject: Security Level Configuration (Other ports) In-Reply-To: <64661.69.68.37.57.1067228691.squirrel@69.68.37.57> References: <200310221621.26855.elwoo@videotron.ca> <1067223868.14551.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> <64661.69.68.37.57.1067228691.squirrel@69.68.37.57> Message-ID: <673BA339-084C-11D8-AC67-000393C34F68@mac.com> On Oct 26, 2003, at 8:24 PM, William Hooper wrote: >> 1) Any reason in particular that this feature would be removed? There >> are about a million reasons why ports other than the standard 5 would >> need to be opened, and a simple interface (integrated into the current >> Security Level Configuration app) for customizing the (nonstandard) >> open >> ports would be nice. > > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=105827 > > Oddly enough, it is still there in redhat-config-securitylevel-tui William- Thanks for the response... it is quite interesting that the GUI firewall is lacking in some (basic) functionality, while its EXTREMELY ugly TUI cousin does have it... in looking over redhat-config-securitylevel-tui, I notice something interesting. The settings in the redhat-config-securitylevel-tui are not the same as they are in the GUI version. I enable (for example) SSH and FTP passthrough in the GUI, save the changes, and then start up the TUI version and nothing is selected. I would think that changing the firewall settings would change them globally... is this a bug??? -Sean From rainer.traut at epost.de Mon Oct 27 07:12:54 2003 From: rainer.traut at epost.de (Rainer Traut) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 08:12:54 +0100 Subject: Java crashes thoug I export LD_ASSUME_KERNEL, Domino works now In-Reply-To: <3F9CACFF.80805@redhat.com> References: <3F8400B5.6030609@epost.de> <200310081218.25383.elwoo@videotron.ca> <3F867EC2.1050202@epost.de> <200310101429.04134.elwoo@videotron.ca> <1065816402.9792.132.camel@palin> <1065952359.884.8.camel@animal> <3F9925F7.4030901@epost.de> <3F9CACFF.80805@redhat.com> Message-ID: <3F9CC576.20900@epost.de> Hi, thank you for your answer. >>Problem I still think is, that the >>LD_ASSUME_KERNEL varaiable is getting ignored. > How do you figure that? There is no way to suppress using > LD_ASSUME_KERNEL. The envvar is looked at and handled in ld.so, long > before any user code is run. By observation: RHL9 [root at Notes-FFM1-Web root]# su - notes [notes at Notes-FFM1-Web notes]$ export LD_ASSUME_KERNEL=2.2.5 [notes at Notes-FFM1-Web notes]$ java -fullversion java.bin full version "JDK 1.1.8 IBM build l118-20010115a (JIT enabled: jitc)" [notes at Notes-FFM1-Web notes]$ cat /etc/redhat-release Red Hat Linux release 9 (Shrike) [notes at Notes-FFM1-Web notes]$ Fedora test3 [root at localhost 65000]# su - notes [notes at localhost notes]$ java -version /opt/lotus/bin/java: line 1043: 24406 Speicherzugriffsfehler ${ToRun} "$@" [notes at localhost notes]$ cat /etc/redhat-release Fedora Core release 0.95 (Severn) [notes at localhost notes]$ java -version /opt/lotus/bin/java: line 1043: 24459 Speicherzugriffsfehler ${ToRun} "$@" [notes at localhost notes]$ export LD_ASSUME_KERNEL=2.2.5 [notes at localhost notes]$ java -version /opt/lotus/bin/java: line 1043: 24511 Speicherzugriffsfehler ${ToRun} "$@" [notes at localhost notes]$ Am I doing something wrong? Gruss Rainer From mharris at redhat.com Mon Oct 27 07:17:43 2003 From: mharris at redhat.com (Mike A. Harris) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 02:17:43 -0500 (EST) Subject: libcom_err.so.3 In-Reply-To: <20031026204107.20973.qmail@web12007.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20031026204107.20973.qmail@web12007.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 26 Oct 2003, k b wrote: >> >libcom_err.so.3 >> >that is found in krb5-libs-1.2.7-14.i386.rpm >> >is needed by for example pine and some other >> >applications. >> > >> >the file is not present in >> krb5-libs-1.3.1-6.i386.rpm. >> > >> >if possible, it would be nice to have it back in >> the >> >krb5-libs. >> >> Recompile my pine src.rpm and it will just work(TM). >> ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris/pine >> > >Thanks for the reply. >i guess i need som specfile to build it, can i create >one from the source, or build without the specfile >using rpmbuild? The spec file by definition is inside the src.rpm. YOu don't need to do anything other than rpmbuild --rebuild the src.rpm and then install the resultant binary rpms. -- Mike A. Harris ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris OS Systems Engineer - XFree86 maintainer - Red Hat From smearp at mac.com Mon Oct 27 07:20:16 2003 From: smearp at mac.com (Sean Earp) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 23:20:16 -0800 Subject: KDE "Start Here' doesn't work? In-Reply-To: <673BA339-084C-11D8-AC67-000393C34F68@mac.com> References: <200310221621.26855.elwoo@videotron.ca> <1067223868.14551.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> <64661.69.68.37.57.1067228691.squirrel@69.68.37.57> <673BA339-084C-11D8-AC67-000393C34F68@mac.com> Message-ID: <03345E2E-084E-11D8-AC67-000393C34F68@mac.com> Hello all- Using FC Test 3, latest updates from Rawhide... In KDE, the "Start Here" icon on the desktop doesn't work... just pops up a message that says: "Error - KDesktop Malformed URL Start-here:" Works fine in Gnome, but not in KDE. Am I the only one, or do I need to throw this at Bugzilla? -Sean From mharris at redhat.com Mon Oct 27 07:25:26 2003 From: mharris at redhat.com (Mike A. Harris) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 02:25:26 -0500 (EST) Subject: Gnome and KDE: Start new Session button? In-Reply-To: <16284.14077.451158.500849@uebn.uddeborg.se> References: <16284.14077.451158.500849@uebn.uddeborg.se> Message-ID: On Sun, 26 Oct 2003, [iso-8859-1] G?ran Uddeborg wrote: >> 1) Not all video hardware and drivers support having multiple X >> server instances running on them. > >Are there information anywhere which cards/drivers do support this, >and which don't? No. It is a "if it works for you, wonderful" thing. When it doesn't work, it is either due to blatant hardware bugs/quirks, or lack of support in a given driver - or driver bugs. Users who have problems using multiple X servers on a single machine and have problems with it, are of course encouraged to debug the problem and submit patches that fix the issue to bugzilla though. I can sometimes offer gdb advice via IRC time depending, using: ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris/gdb-xfree86 >Or won't I find out until after I have bought new equipment and >tested it? Basically, yes. It's something that might work by a stroke of luck, or might not work at all. Highly dependant on the specific system you've got, the specific video hardware, and it's orientation in different slots, wether the driver(s) support this or not cleanly, and various other issues. The reason it's not officially supported is because it is known to not work very well, and it's difficult to keep the video drivers running on a single head with one X server alone, for what is more or less a highly specialized setup. That shouldn't discourage a determined volunteer from contributing bug fixes to XFree86.org though for future releases. -- Mike A. Harris ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris OS Systems Engineer - XFree86 maintainer - Red Hat From drepper at redhat.com Mon Oct 27 07:27:08 2003 From: drepper at redhat.com (Ulrich Drepper) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 23:27:08 -0800 Subject: Java crashes thoug I export LD_ASSUME_KERNEL, Domino works now In-Reply-To: <3F9CC576.20900@epost.de> References: <3F8400B5.6030609@epost.de> <200310081218.25383.elwoo@videotron.ca> <3F867EC2.1050202@epost.de> <200310101429.04134.elwoo@videotron.ca> <1065816402.9792.132.camel@palin> <1065952359.884.8.camel@animal> <3F9925F7.4030901@epost.de> <3F9CACFF.80805@redhat.com> <3F9CC576.20900@epost.de> Message-ID: <3F9CC8CC.9060705@redhat.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Rainer Traut wrote: > Fedora test3 > [root at localhost 65000]# su - notes > [notes at localhost notes]$ java -version > /opt/lotus/bin/java: line 1043: 24406 Speicherzugriffsfehler ${ToRun} "$@" > [notes at localhost notes]$ cat /etc/redhat-release > Fedora Core release 0.95 (Severn) > [notes at localhost notes]$ java -version > /opt/lotus/bin/java: line 1043: 24459 Speicherzugriffsfehler ${ToRun} "$@" > [notes at localhost notes]$ export LD_ASSUME_KERNEL=2.2.5 > [notes at localhost notes]$ java -version > /opt/lotus/bin/java: line 1043: 24511 Speicherzugriffsfehler ${ToRun} "$@" This means nothing wrt to LD_ASSUME_KERNEL functioning or not. You'll have to look at the DSOs loaded and they definitely are as expected. It's just that the old IBM jvms aren't working at all with the new kernels. See bz #102683. - -- - --------------. ,-. 444 Castro Street Ulrich Drepper \ ,-----------------' \ Mountain View, CA 94041 USA Red Hat `--' drepper at redhat.com `--------------------------- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/nMjM2ijCOnn/RHQRAqjlAJ0Qx8eqX0D/2OeRUwy75rr3UvlcmACdEM+n aKXioEVRL4j0T/aQnMdBO+4= =uJDd -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From mharris at redhat.com Mon Oct 27 07:46:39 2003 From: mharris at redhat.com (Mike A. Harris) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 02:46:39 -0500 (EST) Subject: would someone kindly clarify this paragaph, please (RH business model) In-Reply-To: <200310270023.53972.elwoo@videotron.ca> References: <200310270023.53972.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: On Mon, 27 Oct 2003, Elton Woo wrote: >"Open source software is not free. Though freedom may be an abstract concept >for commercial products, it can be ideal for software. Free software means no >one company can fully own and conceal it. Software lock-in is impossible." > >I have just read, and re-read the above statement four times, and I still >don't understand it. >Here's the link: > >http://www.redhat.com/about/mission/business_model.html > >What I see with my eyes, have read, and (hopefully) understood is: >"Open source software is NOT free". This statement is copied >and pasted directly _as is_ from the Red Hat web page. Are my >eyes deceiving me, or am I NOT understanding something here? > >... and NO, I am *not* being sarcastic. I honestly can not understand >that statement. I read the page now also, and I think it is a bit confusing although I do know what was intended by the statement. What was intended is something like "Open source software is not always free of cost, however it is always free in the sense of the liberty one has with the source code." The statement as present on the web page I believe assumes too much from the reader, and should be clarified. The truth of the matter is, that open source software is ALWAYS "free" in any definition of the word. Even when you *pay* for OSS, you have the option of obtaining it at no cost via download if you desire in source code form at a bare minimum. "free" is an overloaded buzzword nowadays and is confusing to people as it isn't always clear what definition of the word "free" is intended. Personally I think people using such phrases should either avoid the word free, or explain precicely what they mean by 'free' in their statements, such as using phrases "free of cost" and "freedom of liberty" in place of just "free". That makes things much clearer. So my interpretation of the web page, which is most likely correct, is that it's trying to say "Open source software is not always free of cost, but that it provides one with software liberty via source code access." -- Mike A. Harris ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris OS Systems Engineer - XFree86 maintainer - Red Hat From rpjday at mindspring.com Mon Oct 27 07:50:38 2003 From: rpjday at mindspring.com (Robert P. J. Day) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 02:50:38 -0500 (EST) Subject: would someone kindly clarify this paragaph, please (RH business model) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 27 Oct 2003, Mike A. Harris wrote: ... > The truth of the matter is, that open source software is ALWAYS > "free" in any definition of the word. Even when you *pay* for > OSS, you have the option of obtaining it at no cost via download > if you desire in source code form at a bare minimum. ... say what? i'm not convinced. what if i start a company and write a completely proprietary piece of software, with license fees and per-seat restrictions and everything? i might decide, for better or worse, to open source that product, and yet it would still be proprietary and non-free. for that matter, microsoft might decide to open source its entire office suite. but it still wouldn't be free. so can you clarify what you wrote above? rday From mharris at redhat.com Mon Oct 27 08:01:54 2003 From: mharris at redhat.com (Mike A. Harris) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 03:01:54 -0500 (EST) Subject: would someone kindly clarify this paragaph, please (RH business model) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, 27 Oct 2003, Robert P. J. Day wrote: >> The truth of the matter is, that open source software is ALWAYS >> "free" in any definition of the word. Even when you *pay* for >> OSS, you have the option of obtaining it at no cost via download >> if you desire in source code form at a bare minimum. >... > >say what? i'm not convinced. what if i start a company and write >a completely proprietary piece of software, with license fees and >per-seat restrictions and everything? i might decide, for better >or worse, to open source that product, and yet it would still be >proprietary and non-free. Wrong. That is not open source. That is "source code available", like pine or qmail or something else. The definition of "open source" is software under a license that is approved by OSI, of which the appropriate licenses are located at: http://www.opensource.org You may very well release the source code for your software however you see fit, and under whatever license you choose. It is not however "open source" unless it uses one of the licenses listed on the OSI website, or unless you get OSI to approve your license as an open source license. You and/or others may call your source "open source" in slang since the source code is available, but that does NOT make it open source by definition. Source code which is true open source under an OSI approved license, is specifically what I am talking about, and what anyone is talking about when they say "open source" unless they don't have a clue what that term officially means. >for that matter, microsoft might decide to open source its entire >office suite. but it still wouldn't be free. so can you clarify >what you wrote above? And if Microsoft puts it under an "open source" license, then it would very much be open source software with complete freedom that any other open source software such as the Linux kernel shares. It would be free in every sense of the word. If Microsoft releases their source code under any license that is not approved by the OSI, then by definition - it is not open source, and your argument means absolutely nothing. -- Mike A. Harris ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris OS Systems Engineer - XFree86 maintainer - Red Hat From rpjday at mindspring.com Mon Oct 27 08:30:10 2003 From: rpjday at mindspring.com (Robert P. J. Day) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 03:30:10 -0500 (EST) Subject: would someone kindly clarify this paragaph, please (RH business model) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 27 Oct 2003, Mike A. Harris wrote: > On Mon, 27 Oct 2003, Robert P. J. Day wrote: > > >> The truth of the matter is, that open source software is ALWAYS > >> "free" in any definition of the word. Even when you *pay* for > >> OSS, you have the option of obtaining it at no cost via download > >> if you desire in source code form at a bare minimum. > >... > > > >say what? i'm not convinced. what if i start a company and write > >a completely proprietary piece of software, with license fees and > >per-seat restrictions and everything? i might decide, for better > >or worse, to open source that product, and yet it would still be > >proprietary and non-free. > > Wrong. That is not open source. That is "source code > available", like pine or qmail or something else. The definition > of "open source" is software under a license that is approved by > OSI, of which the appropriate licenses are located at: > > http://www.opensource.org ok, i see the distinction. i didn't realize that you were using the phrase "open source" in that official capacity. rday From awol at home.nl Mon Oct 27 08:39:49 2003 From: awol at home.nl (Alexander Volovics) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 09:39:49 +0100 Subject: gnome-panel (does havoc read this list? ;-) In-Reply-To: <1067183336.5792.0.camel@tower.steins.net> References: <20031024143232.11185.qmail@web10010.mail.yahoo.com> <1067008375.7503.109.camel@poincare.devel.redhat.com> <1067183336.5792.0.camel@tower.steins.net> Message-ID: <20031027083949.GA2044@home.nl> On Sun, Oct 26, 2003 at 09:48:56AM -0600, Neil Birchler wrote: > > > I'm trying to determine if this is a gnome thing or a fedora > > > thing or a ME thing. I'm asking for feedback from fedora users. Since > > > no one else has responded affirming or denying these problems, I'm > > > guessing this is MY problem not redhat OR gnome's. > drawers are working fine on my install. Have you restarted X yet? Alexander From johnny at navtek.no Mon Oct 27 08:56:28 2003 From: johnny at navtek.no (Johnny Ljunggren) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 09:56:28 +0100 Subject: jpilot unusable with norwegian characters Message-ID: <1067244988.19727.3.camel@cash.navtek> All lines with a norwegian character (???) will be cut off at that character. I think that is related to jpilot being compiled with --gtk2 (or similar), because compiling it from source with no ./configure-options makes it usable again? Any reason for using gtk2? I'm not sure if it should be used if it breaks some systems.... -- Johnny Ljunggren From johnny at navtek.no Mon Oct 27 09:00:58 2003 From: johnny at navtek.no (Johnny Ljunggren) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 10:00:58 +0100 Subject: OpenOffice.org-menu entries missing (FCt3) Message-ID: <1067245258.19727.9.camel@cash.navtek> I've just installed FCt3 on two different systems and using KDE, none of the openoffice.org programs show up in the menus. If I try to run it manually it asks me to an install. I tried that both as local user and as root, but both give me a lot of errors. (error copying file foo to dirctory bar). If this has been discussed before please point me in the right direction. -- Johnny Ljunggren From kjb at dds.nl Mon Oct 27 09:08:42 2003 From: kjb at dds.nl (Klaasjan Brand) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 10:08:42 +0100 Subject: OpenOffice.org-menu entries missing (FCt3) In-Reply-To: <1067245258.19727.9.camel@cash.navtek> References: <1067245258.19727.9.camel@cash.navtek> Message-ID: <1067245721.1498.9.camel@isengard> On Mon, 2003-10-27 at 10:00, Johnny Ljunggren wrote: > I've just installed FCt3 on two different systems and using KDE, none of > the openoffice.org programs show up in the menus. If I try to run it > manually it asks me to an install. I tried that both as local user and > as root, but both give me a lot of errors. (error copying file foo to > dirctory bar). Updating to the latest openoffice build from rawhide should fix it. Klaasjan From pmatilai at welho.com Mon Oct 27 09:09:10 2003 From: pmatilai at welho.com (Panu Matilainen) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 11:09:10 +0200 Subject: OpenOffice.org-menu entries missing (FCt3) In-Reply-To: <1067245258.19727.9.camel@cash.navtek> References: <1067245258.19727.9.camel@cash.navtek> Message-ID: <1067245750.3f9ce0b6e5701@webmail.welho.com> Quoting Johnny Ljunggren : > > I've just installed FCt3 on two different systems and using KDE, none of > the openoffice.org programs show up in the menus. If I try to run it > manually it asks me to an install. I tried that both as local user and > as root, but both give me a lot of errors. (error copying file foo to > dirctory bar). > > If this has been discussed before please point me in the right > direction. Known bugs in test3 OO.org package, fixed in openoffice.org-1.1.0-3 which is available from rawhide (and RHN as well I assume). - Panu - From alan at redhat.com Mon Oct 27 09:09:32 2003 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 04:09:32 -0500 (EST) Subject: would someone kindly clarify this paragaph, please (RH business In-Reply-To: from "Robert P. J. Day" at Hyd 27, 2003 02:50:38 Message-ID: <200310270909.h9R99Wi05075@devserv.devel.redhat.com> > say what? i'm not convinced. what if i start a company and write > a completely proprietary piece of software, with license fees and > per-seat restrictions and everything? i might decide, for better > or worse, to open source that product, and yet it would still be > proprietary and non-free. The open source definition most people use says that isnt open source. Its "source available" or some similar term. Lots of proprietary software is actually sold like this outside the PC space. In some parts of computing it has been one of the normal ways to sell code for a long time. From johnny at navtek.no Mon Oct 27 09:10:20 2003 From: johnny at navtek.no (Johnny Ljunggren) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 10:10:20 +0100 Subject: Open GL screensaver crashes X In-Reply-To: References: <1066989605.27981.14.camel@lappen> <1066986461.7751.7.camel@pc-32.office.scali.no> <1066988038.5593.5.camel@lappen> <1067005504.7503.28.camel@poincare.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1067245820.19727.17.camel@cash.navtek> fre, 24.10.2003 kl. 16.33 skrev Mike A. Harris: > On Fri, 24 Oct 2003, Owen Taylor wrote: > > >> Xinerama + DRI isn't implemented. You can either use Xinerama or > >> use DRI. Trying to use both at once wont work, not for another > >> couple XFree86 releases at least. > >> > >> I'm told the Matrox driver has a MergedFB option which may or may > >> not work by skipping xinerama and doing merged framebuffer in the > >> video driver itself, however I've never tried it, and I dunno if > >> it's in 4.3.0 or just in CVS head. I haven't looked at the mga > >> source for quite some time, so buyer beware. ;o) > > > >But it certainly shouldn't crash the server even if it doesn't work. > > Of course. ;o) > > > >The interesting questions are: > > > > a) is it all OpenGL screensavers or just some of them I haven't tried all, but those i tried crashed X. > > b) does running OpenGL screensavers manually crash the server > > (E.g, run /usr/X11R6/lib/xscreensaver/sproingies) I think I've already answered that one, but no they do not. Only when run as a real screensaver. > > c) any log messages for XFree86 when it crashes? (Look in > > /var/log/XFree86.0.log) No, not that I could see. The whole log is here: www.navtek.no/~johnny/fedora > d) Does it do it both with and without DRI enabled in the config > file (the Load "dri" line) Yes, tried with and without, same crash > e) Are you using our official mga driver, or are you using the > Matrox binary driver and hallib Fresh install, ie. official mga driver. > f) Are you running any 3rd party kernel modules at all, or using > VMware or other software which is sometimes known to cause > system instabilities No, not yet. This was a fresh install. > g) Are there any DRM or AGP errors in /var/log/messages No, only these lines of any interest, and I don't think they're directly related. cash modprobe: modprobe: Can't locate module sound-slot-1 cash modprobe: modprobe: Can't locate module sound-service-1-0 cash gdm(pam_unix)[19179]: session closed for user johnny cash gdm[19179]: gdm_slave_xioerror_handler: Fatal X feil - Starter :0 p? nytt cash gdm(pam_unix)[19452]: session opened for user johnny by (uid=0) cash modprobe: modprobe: Can't locate module sound-slot-1 cash modprobe: modprobe: Can't locate module sound-service-1-0 O -- Johnny Ljunggren From david.balazic at uni-mb.si Mon Oct 27 09:10:45 2003 From: david.balazic at uni-mb.si (DAVID BALAZIC) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 10:10:45 +0100 Subject: Scheduler, responsiveness Message-ID: <01L2BIQ74Q1U003YS8@rcum.uni-mb.si> Ingo Molnar wrote: >On Fri, 24 Oct 2003, DAVID BALAZIC wrote: > >> I installed fedora test3 ( athlon kernel , vesa X11 driver ) and went to >> install UT2003. It basically reads fles from the CD, decompresses them >> and saves them to the hard drive. >> >> During the procedure, the system was very sluggish, sometimes the GUI >> appeared frozen for several seconds. > >is DMA enabled or disabled for the CD-ROM? (hdparm -d /dev/cdrom) oh, you missed the "I have DMA on all ATA(PI) devices enabled." line ? :-) yes, it is enabled. -- David Balazic E-mail : david.balazic at uni-mb.si | living in sLOVEnija home page: http://surf.to/stein -- From johnny at navtek.no Mon Oct 27 09:12:00 2003 From: johnny at navtek.no (Johnny Ljunggren) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 10:12:00 +0100 Subject: Login-program crashes (FCt3) In-Reply-To: <1066989366.27981.9.camel@lappen> References: <1066989366.27981.9.camel@lappen> Message-ID: <1067245920.19727.20.camel@cash.navtek> fre, 24.10.2003 kl. 11.56 skrev Johnny Ljunggren: > When my system boots up on run level 5, X will try to start but crashes > twice before telling me that 'Welcome program seems to crash. Trying > another' (translated from norwegian, may be a bit different). Then I get > a fairly standard login program. Anybody else run into this? Maybe not, but this weekend I installed on a totally different computer and the same thing happened there. The only thing similar with these two systems is the Matrox G400/G450 graphics card. File as bug? -- Johnny Ljunggren From fedora at andrewfarris.com Mon Oct 27 09:19:45 2003 From: fedora at andrewfarris.com (Andrew Farris) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 01:19:45 -0800 Subject: KDE "Start Here' doesn't work? In-Reply-To: <03345E2E-084E-11D8-AC67-000393C34F68@mac.com> References: <200310221621.26855.elwoo@videotron.ca> <1067223868.14551.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> <64661.69.68.37.57.1067228691.squirrel@69.68.37.57> <673BA339-084C-11D8-AC67-000393C34F68@mac.com> <03345E2E-084E-11D8-AC67-000393C34F68@mac.com> Message-ID: <1067246384.29218.32.camel@CirithUngol> On Sun, 2003-10-26 at 23:20, Sean Earp wrote: > Using FC Test 3, latest updates from Rawhide... In KDE, the "Start > Here" icon on the desktop doesn't work... just pops up a message that > says: > > "Error - KDesktop > Malformed URL > Start-here:" > > Works fine in Gnome, but not in KDE. Am I the only one, or do I need > to throw this at Bugzilla? Configuration error on your end, although perhaps caused by conflicts or packages (this I couldn't say). It does not happen here, no available updates from RawHide. Mine has this as the URL: vfolder:/start-here.menu/Start Here/ > -Sean > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list -- Andrew Farris From johnny at navtek.no Mon Oct 27 09:35:09 2003 From: johnny at navtek.no (Johnny Ljunggren) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 10:35:09 +0100 Subject: OpenOffice.org-menu entries missing (FCt3) In-Reply-To: <1067245721.1498.9.camel@isengard> References: <1067245258.19727.9.camel@cash.navtek> <1067245721.1498.9.camel@isengard> Message-ID: <1067247309.19727.23.camel@cash.navtek> man, 27.10.2003 kl. 10.08 skrev Klaasjan Brand: > On Mon, 2003-10-27 at 10:00, Johnny Ljunggren wrote: > > I've just installed FCt3 on two different systems and using KDE, none of > > the openoffice.org programs show up in the menus. If I try to run it > > manually it asks me to an install. I tried that both as local user and > > as root, but both give me a lot of errors. (error copying file foo to > > dirctory bar). > > Updating to the latest openoffice build from rawhide should fix it. Thanks a lot. Anybody know the correct lines to put in sources.list to get apt install updates from rawhide? I thought I had them but it seems I don't -- Johnny Ljunggren From johnny at navtek.no Mon Oct 27 09:37:03 2003 From: johnny at navtek.no (Johnny Ljunggren) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 10:37:03 +0100 Subject: Anyone tried VMWare? Message-ID: <1067247423.19727.26.camel@cash.navtek> Before I invest too much time trying, can anyone tell me if it works or not? -- Johnny Ljunggren From fedora at warmcat.com Mon Oct 27 09:40:05 2003 From: fedora at warmcat.com (Andy Green) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 10:40:05 +0100 Subject: Anyone tried VMWare? In-Reply-To: <1067247423.19727.26.camel@cash.navtek> References: <1067247423.19727.26.camel@cash.navtek> Message-ID: <200310270940.07056.fedora@warmcat.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Monday 27 October 2003 09:37, Johnny Ljunggren wrote: > Before I invest too much time trying, can anyone tell me if it works or > not? Yep, it works great. - -Andy -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/nOf2jKeDCxMJCTIRArQCAKCX7/b+sC3KC+FonO6bme/b+fvhlACeNz++ HRmvFeNFCgsFxVPDCaz6RqU= =nkmU -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From david.balazic at uni-mb.si Mon Oct 27 09:41:24 2003 From: david.balazic at uni-mb.si (DAVID BALAZIC) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 10:41:24 +0100 Subject: Java crashes thoug I export LD_ASSUME_KERNEL, Domino works now Message-ID: <01L2BJROBVFY003YS8@rcum.uni-mb.si> Rainer Traut wrote: >Hi, >thank you for your answer. > >>>Problem I still think is, that the >>>LD_ASSUME_KERNEL varaiable is getting ignored. > >> How do you figure that? There is no way to suppress using >> LD_ASSUME_KERNEL. The envvar is looked at and handled in ld.so, long >> before any user code is run. > >By observation: > >RHL9 >[root at Notes-FFM1-Web root]# su - notes >[notes at Notes-FFM1-Web notes]$ export LD_ASSUME_KERNEL=2.2.5 >[notes at Notes-FFM1-Web notes]$ java -fullversion >java.bin full version "JDK 1.1.8 IBM build l118-20010115a (JIT enabled: >jitc)" >[notes at Notes-FFM1-Web notes]$ cat /etc/redhat-release >Red Hat Linux release 9 (Shrike) >[notes at Notes-FFM1-Web notes]$ > >Fedora test3 >[root at localhost 65000]# su - notes >[notes at localhost notes]$ java -version >/opt/lotus/bin/java: line 1043: 24406 Speicherzugriffsfehler ${ToRun} "$@" >[notes at localhost notes]$ cat /etc/redhat-release >Fedora Core release 0.95 (Severn) >[notes at localhost notes]$ java -version >/opt/lotus/bin/java: line 1043: 24459 Speicherzugriffsfehler ${ToRun} "$@" >[notes at localhost notes]$ export LD_ASSUME_KERNEL=2.2.5 >[notes at localhost notes]$ java -version >/opt/lotus/bin/java: line 1043: 24511 Speicherzugriffsfehler ${ToRun} "$@" >[notes at localhost notes]$ Hmm, looks like you are comparing apples to oranges. apple = java -fullversion orange = java -version -- David Balazic E-mail : david.balazic at uni-mb.si | living in sLOVEnija home page: http://surf.to/stein -- From seanc at tech-access.com Mon Oct 27 09:48:45 2003 From: seanc at tech-access.com (Sean Craig) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 13:48:45 +0400 Subject: Anyone tried VMWare? In-Reply-To: <1067247423.19727.26.camel@cash.navtek> References: <1067247423.19727.26.camel@cash.navtek> Message-ID: <3F9CE9FD.6010200@tech-access.com> Hi Johnny, VMWare Workstation is absolutely superb! I have it running on FC t3 fully updated (including latest kernel) system. The configuration script will automatically build modules for your kernel (although it complains quite a bit, the modules do load ok), and there is little difficult work to be done. I have used VMWare for quite some time now, and can't find anything that compares. regards Sean Craig Johnny Ljunggren wrote: >Before I invest too much time trying, can anyone tell me if it works or >not? > > > From seanc at tech-access.com Mon Oct 27 09:49:45 2003 From: seanc at tech-access.com (Sean Craig) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 13:49:45 +0400 Subject: Anyone tried VMWare? In-Reply-To: <1067247423.19727.26.camel@cash.navtek> References: <1067247423.19727.26.camel@cash.navtek> Message-ID: <3F9CEA39.60808@tech-access.com> forgot to mention that you can get a trial license mailed from the website so you can check it out. Sean Craig Johnny Ljunggren wrote: >Before I invest too much time trying, can anyone tell me if it works or >not? > > > From m.a.young at durham.ac.uk Mon Oct 27 09:55:41 2003 From: m.a.young at durham.ac.uk (M A Young) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 09:55:41 +0000 (GMT) Subject: libcom_err.so.3 In-Reply-To: References: <20031026204107.20973.qmail@web12007.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 27 Oct 2003, Mike A. Harris wrote: > On Sun, 26 Oct 2003, k b wrote: > > >> Recompile my pine src.rpm and it will just work(TM). > >> ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris/pine > >> > > > >Thanks for the reply. > >i guess i need som specfile to build it, can i create > >one from the source, or build without the specfile > >using rpmbuild? > > The spec file by definition is inside the src.rpm. YOu don't > need to do anything other than rpmbuild --rebuild the src.rpm and > then install the resultant binary rpms. Actually, it doesn't just work(TM), because the kerberos libraries are now in /usr/lib rather than /usr/kerberos/lib. Michael Young From grant at tuins.ac.jp Mon Oct 27 10:04:15 2003 From: grant at tuins.ac.jp (rg) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 19:04:15 +0900 Subject: drag-and-drop icon theme installations still a no go in GNOME In-Reply-To: <3F9CEA39.60808@tech-access.com> References: <1067247423.19727.26.camel@cash.navtek> <3F9CEA39.60808@tech-access.com> Message-ID: <3F9CED9F.5060009@tuins.ac.jp> Still seems that unlike the GTK and METACITY themes, icons themes, despite what the directions on the window says, cannot be installed by drag and drop. Seems the only way I can install them is to place them, untarred,manually into the theme folder (.icons). Sure seems like a bug, but it's been around so long (RH9 days anyway), I was just wondering if anyone else has experienced the same. ralston From 1midniterider at comcast.net Mon Oct 27 10:06:36 2003 From: 1midniterider at comcast.net (Marcus White) Date: 27 Oct 2003 05:06:36 -0500 Subject: OpenOffice.org-menu entries missing (FCt3) In-Reply-To: <1067247309.19727.23.camel@cash.navtek> References: <1067245258.19727.9.camel@cash.navtek> <1067245721.1498.9.camel@isengard> <1067247309.19727.23.camel@cash.navtek> Message-ID: <1067249196.14082.3985.camel@tbird> Try this... #up2date default #yum fedora-$ARCH-os http://download.fedora.us/fedora/redhat/0.94/$ARCH/yum/os/ yum rawhide http://ftp.redhat.com/pub/redhat/linux/rawhide/ On Mon, 2003-10-27 at 04:35, Johnny Ljunggren wrote: > man, 27.10.2003 kl. 10.08 skrev Klaasjan Brand: > > On Mon, 2003-10-27 at 10:00, Johnny Ljunggren wrote: > > > I've just installed FCt3 on two different systems and using KDE, none of > > > the openoffice.org programs show up in the menus. If I try to run it > > > manually it asks me to an install. I tried that both as local user and > > > as root, but both give me a lot of errors. (error copying file foo to > > > dirctory bar). > > > > Updating to the latest openoffice build from rawhide should fix it. > > Thanks a lot. Anybody know the correct lines to put in sources.list to > get apt install updates from rawhide? I thought I had them but it seems > I don't -- Marcus White <1midniterider at comcast.net> From rpjday at mindspring.com Mon Oct 27 10:28:12 2003 From: rpjday at mindspring.com (Robert P. J. Day) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 05:28:12 -0500 (EST) Subject: Anyone tried VMWare? In-Reply-To: <3F9CE9FD.6010200@tech-access.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 27 Oct 2003, Sean Craig wrote: > Hi Johnny, > > VMWare Workstation is absolutely superb! I have it running on FC t3 > fully updated (including latest kernel) system. > > The configuration script will automatically build modules for your > kernel (although it complains quite a bit, the modules do load ok), and > there is little difficult work to be done. > > I have used VMWare for quite some time now, and can't find anything that > compares. so for those of us who haven't gotten around to putting vmware under FC3, would you care to supply the recipe? specifically, anything that needed to be tweaked with respect to doing this under the 2.6.0-testx kernel. rday From michalz at olomouc.com Mon Oct 27 10:49:46 2003 From: michalz at olomouc.com (Michal Zeravik) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 11:49:46 +0100 Subject: rh9 vs. fedora Message-ID: <3F9CF84A.5010409@olomouc.com> Hi to all, I'm using redhat9 shrike and have couple of questions: Will be here a stable release of Fedora? Can I upgrade Shrike directly to Fedora? Does Fedora have the same patches in kernel like in other rh kernels? Can I use other patches to kernel (low latency, capabilites, preemptive,...)? Thank you for support michalz From mharris at redhat.com Mon Oct 27 10:51:03 2003 From: mharris at redhat.com (Mike A. Harris) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 05:51:03 -0500 (EST) Subject: libcom_err.so.3 In-Reply-To: References: <20031026204107.20973.qmail@web12007.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 27 Oct 2003, M A Young wrote: >> >> Recompile my pine src.rpm and it will just work(TM). >> >> ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris/pine >> >> >> > >> >Thanks for the reply. >> >i guess i need som specfile to build it, can i create >> >one from the source, or build without the specfile >> >using rpmbuild? >> >> The spec file by definition is inside the src.rpm. YOu don't >> need to do anything other than rpmbuild --rebuild the src.rpm and >> then install the resultant binary rpms. > >Actually, it doesn't just work(TM), because the kerberos libraries are now >in /usr/lib rather than /usr/kerberos/lib. File a bug report against pine, stating it is my personal 4.58 version, and I'll investigate it soon. Haven't had any reports to date that I recall, but if I had I wouldn't be able to track them via email anyway with 100000 emails per day and all... -- Mike A. Harris ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris OS Systems Engineer - XFree86 maintainer - Red Hat From jakub at redhat.com Mon Oct 27 10:58:54 2003 From: jakub at redhat.com (Jakub Jelinek) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 05:58:54 -0500 Subject: rh9 vs. fedora In-Reply-To: <3F9CF84A.5010409@olomouc.com>; from michalz@olomouc.com on Mon, Oct 27, 2003 at 11:49:46AM +0100 References: <3F9CF84A.5010409@olomouc.com> Message-ID: <20031027055854.C2097@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Mon, Oct 27, 2003 at 11:49:46AM +0100, Michal Zeravik wrote: > Hi to all, > > I'm using redhat9 shrike and have couple of questions: > Will be here a stable release of Fedora? Yes. > Can I upgrade Shrike directly to Fedora? Yes. > Does Fedora have the same patches in kernel like in other rh kernels? The patches in RH kernels vary a lot between different releases. There are of course several patches in Fedora Core kernels (various bugfixes, new functionality primarily NTP and Exec-Shield), but as has been stated earlier the trend for Fedora Core should be that kernels are closer to upstream. > Can I use other patches to kernel (low latency, capabilites, > preemptive,...)? Why not? As long as it applies and works, that is... Jakub From seanc at tech-access.com Mon Oct 27 11:04:53 2003 From: seanc at tech-access.com (Sean Craig) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 15:04:53 +0400 Subject: Anyone tried VMWare? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3F9CFBD5.1080009@tech-access.com> Hi I haven't tried VMWare on a 2.6 kernel yet, but I do seem to remember seeing something on the vmware newsgroups / community about patches for 2.6. See here [http://www.vmware.com/support/using/newsgroups.html] For a regular 2.4.x kernel, the most work you need to do is use the 'vmware-config.pl' script and follow the prompts. This option is really a no-brainer. regards Sean Robert P. J. Day wrote: >On Mon, 27 Oct 2003, Sean Craig wrote: > > > >>Hi Johnny, >> >>VMWare Workstation is absolutely superb! I have it running on FC t3 >>fully updated (including latest kernel) system. >> >>The configuration script will automatically build modules for your >>kernel (although it complains quite a bit, the modules do load ok), and >>there is little difficult work to be done. >> >>I have used VMWare for quite some time now, and can't find anything that >>compares. >> >> > >so for those of us who haven't gotten around to putting vmware under >FC3, would you care to supply the recipe? specifically, anything that >needed to be tweaked with respect to doing this under the 2.6.0-testx >kernel. > >rday > > >-- >fedora-test-list mailing list >fedora-test-list at redhat.com >http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-lis > > From mharris at redhat.com Mon Oct 27 10:59:22 2003 From: mharris at redhat.com (Mike A. Harris) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 05:59:22 -0500 (EST) Subject: rh9 vs. fedora In-Reply-To: <3F9CF84A.5010409@olomouc.com> References: <3F9CF84A.5010409@olomouc.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 27 Oct 2003, Michal Zeravik wrote: >I'm using redhat9 shrike and have couple of questions: >Will be here a stable release of Fedora? Of course. Fedora Core 1, by definition will be the stable OS release. >Can I upgrade Shrike directly to Fedora? Yes. But upgrades from any beta release to Fedora Core 1 might or might not work - it's never guaranteed. >Does Fedora have the same patches in kernel like in other rh >kernels? Hard do answer that without you giving specific references to individual patches and then comparing the kernel from Fedora to the kernel from a previous release that you're refering to within the context of the comparison. The Fedora Core kernel is developed and maintained as it always has been within Red Hat Linux in the past. It is a newer kernel version than what is in Red hat Linux 9, so there will of course be differences as some stuff has been merged into the upstream kernel, etc. now. >Can I use other patches to kernel (low latency, capabilites, >preemptive,...)? There's nothing preventing anyone from patching the kernel with whatever they are skilled to engineer a patch for. Since most 3rd party patches out in the wild are based upon Linus's official kernel releases, as always, they may or may not apply cleanly to Red Hat's kernel because our kernel is not a stock Linus kernel. Our kernels contain numerous patches, and if the patch you wish to apply conflicts with other patches we already ship, then you may have to fix things by hand in order for it to apply. Once it applies, it may or may not work at all depending on what the external patch is dependant on, and what might have changed in our kernel. Low latency patches have been included in Red Hat kernels for a long time. Not sure what exactly you mean by "capabilities" as Linux capability support has been there for years, possibly since 2.0.x kernels. You'd need to clarify that. Pre-empt patches are not present, and are not really useful anyway. I'll leave that as a subject of debate though between those who care to debate it, and the relevant and knowledgeable kernel people. Or for mailing list archives or google. Hope this helps. -- Mike A. Harris ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris OS Systems Engineer - XFree86 maintainer - Red Hat From michalz at olomouc.com Mon Oct 27 11:16:29 2003 From: michalz at olomouc.com (Michal Zeravik) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 12:16:29 +0100 Subject: rh9 vs. fedora In-Reply-To: References: <3F9CF84A.5010409@olomouc.com> Message-ID: <3F9CFE8D.5080307@olomouc.com> Originally I'm interested in audio/video processing. Using Alsa/Jack/Laddca in realtime needs that: http://jackit.sourceforge.net/docs/faq.php#q5 So you mean I can install sources of my current kernel (2.4.20-20-9) and build it on my own with what properties? michalz Mike A. Harris wrote: >On Mon, 27 Oct 2003, Michal Zeravik wrote: > > > >>I'm using redhat9 shrike and have couple of questions: >>Will be here a stable release of Fedora? >> >> > >Of course. Fedora Core 1, by definition will be the stable OS >release. > > > >>Can I upgrade Shrike directly to Fedora? >> >> > >Yes. But upgrades from any beta release to Fedora Core 1 might >or might not work - it's never guaranteed. > > > >>Does Fedora have the same patches in kernel like in other rh >>kernels? >> >> > >Hard do answer that without you giving specific references to >individual patches and then comparing the kernel from Fedora to >the kernel from a previous release that you're refering to within >the context of the comparison. The Fedora Core kernel is >developed and maintained as it always has been within Red Hat >Linux in the past. It is a newer kernel version than what is in >Red hat Linux 9, so there will of course be differences as some >stuff has been merged into the upstream kernel, etc. now. > > > >>Can I use other patches to kernel (low latency, capabilites, >>preemptive,...)? >> >> > >There's nothing preventing anyone from patching the kernel with >whatever they are skilled to engineer a patch for. Since most >3rd party patches out in the wild are based upon Linus's official >kernel releases, as always, they may or may not apply cleanly to >Red Hat's kernel because our kernel is not a stock Linus kernel. >Our kernels contain numerous patches, and if the patch you wish >to apply conflicts with other patches we already ship, then you >may have to fix things by hand in order for it to apply. Once it >applies, it may or may not work at all depending on what the >external patch is dependant on, and what might have changed in >our kernel. > >Low latency patches have been included in Red Hat kernels for a >long time. Not sure what exactly you mean by "capabilities" as >Linux capability support has been there for years, possibly >since 2.0.x kernels. You'd need to clarify that. > >Pre-empt patches are not present, and are not really useful >anyway. I'll leave that as a subject of debate though between >those who care to debate it, and the relevant and knowledgeable >kernel people. Or for mailing list archives or google. > >Hope this helps. > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From johnny at navtek.no Mon Oct 27 12:44:02 2003 From: johnny at navtek.no (Johnny Ljunggren) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 13:44:02 +0100 Subject: RHN-applet disappears between logins Message-ID: <1067258642.11893.1.camel@cash.navtek> What can be done about that? -- Johnny Ljunggren From roger at gwch.net Mon Oct 27 12:55:37 2003 From: roger at gwch.net (Grosswiler Roger) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 13:55:37 +0100 (CET) Subject: AW: Mouse - strange bevaviour In-Reply-To: <3F9C11F2.8010701@insight.rr.com> References: <000001c39bc7$b5ba2ba0$0500000a@agentsmith> <3F9C11F2.8010701@insight.rr.com> Message-ID: <51737.62.2.21.164.1067259337.squirrel@www.gwch.net> > Grosswiler Roger wrote: >> I'll try this....but howto? I was looking for redhat-config-boot...and >> didn't find... >> > > I had to install redhat-config-boot by running up2date > redhat-config-boot from a root terminal. This installed the program. > > The program does not allow you to configure graphical boot or change the > options for booting your kernels. So far you have to edit these by hand. > > redhat-config-boot only pops up a screen for you to be able to change > the timeout and which kernel that you want to load by default. It would > be nice to have the ability to select common options to change for the > kernel load through this feature. > > You have to edit the file /boot/grub/grub.conf with a text editor, as > root. You want remove the rhgb from the line below. Be very careful when > you edit the line by hand. It is important for your system to come back > up right on next boot. > > > Since you only want to do this to test out your mouse stopping working. > It would be best to hightlight the boot selection. Press e to edit the > line. Then another e to be able to actually edit the line. Then > backspace to get rid of the rhgb part of the line entry. .. Press b to > boot after you remove the rhgb from the line. > > > > title Fedora Core (2.4.22-1.2108.nptl) > root (hd1,0) > kernel /vmlinuz-2.4.22-1.2108.nptl ro root=LABEL=/ hdd=ide-scsi rhgb > initrd /initrd-2.4.22-1.2108.n > > > > By the way, I had a similar problem with my mouse working originally on > startup and then freezing up. This was caused in my case by norton > antivirus. It was on XP, so I don't think it is the same problem. There > might be a Linux program that could cause a similar lockup for you. Mine > was a problem that was only present in XP and not Linux, for locked mouse. > > > Jim > > -- > If you think things can't get worse it's probably only because you > lack sufficient imagination. > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > i tried this out, but had no rhgb at all.......strange... From mharris at redhat.com Mon Oct 27 12:58:14 2003 From: mharris at redhat.com (Mike A. Harris) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 07:58:14 -0500 (EST) Subject: rh9 vs. fedora In-Reply-To: <3F9CFE8D.5080307@olomouc.com> References: <3F9CF84A.5010409@olomouc.com> <3F9CFE8D.5080307@olomouc.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 27 Oct 2003, Michal Zeravik wrote: >Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 12:16:29 +0100 >From: Michal Zeravik >To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com >Content-Type: multipart/alternative; > boundary="------------040106090107030308080404" >List-Id: For testers of Red Hat Linux beta releases > >Subject: Re: rh9 vs. fedora > >Originally I'm interested in audio/video processing. >Using Alsa/Jack/Laddca in realtime needs that: >http://jackit.sourceforge.net/docs/faq.php#q5 >So you mean I can install sources of my current kernel (2.4.20-20-9) >and build it on my own with what properties? Correct, that is how you would go about attempting to patch the kernel and use it. The only way you can be guaranteed a patch for anything will apply to a given source code tree or not however (kernel or otherwise) is to use the source code that the author of a given patch used to create their patch. The majority of kernel patches out there are generated against Linus's kernels, and so the only way you can be reasonably sure they will apply to the kernel source is by using Linus's kernel source. If you apply a patch to the Red Hat kernel source, which is very heavily modified, the patch may apply cleanly if it does not overlap on any other areas of the kernel source which other patches are already applying to. It might even apply cleanly with a bit of fuzz factor. If you do get a patch to apply though, wether it applied cleanly, with fuzz, or required re-engineering the patch to apply to the Red Hat kernel, it may or may not work at all. It depends on if the patch you're using relies on stuff from Linus's kernel to be there which may have been changed or even heavily modified by the Red Hat kernel's patch set. In short, the only way you can be sure any kernel patch will ever apply to the kernel source tree you use, is to apply the patch to the kernel source that the author of the patch used, or to become kernel engineer for a day and port the patch to the kernel source that you are using now. Hope this helps. -- Mike A. Harris ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris OS Systems Engineer - XFree86 maintainer - Red Hat From nbecker at hns.com Mon Oct 27 13:08:03 2003 From: nbecker at hns.com (Neal D. Becker) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 09:08:03 -0400 Subject: Help with yum In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200310270808.03957.nbecker@hns.com> On Saturday 25 October 2003 05:30 am, Robert P. J. Day wrote: > On Sat, 25 Oct 2003, Ionut Boldizsar wrote: > > Perhaps there will be a frontend for yum, as it is synaptic for apt. > > Then it will be real easy to manage yum. > > But the cli syntax is straight-forward for yum as we speak :) > > from the perspective of someone who's been using yum only briefly, it's > simple enough that i think a GUI frontend would be overkill, particularly > since yum is *meant* to be run on a nightly basis to keep your system up > to date. > > once something's automated like that, there's little value in a GUI. > There is little need for a gui for regular updates to a well-connected machine, but there is an urgent need for a gui for browsing/installing new apps, and for updating a poorly-connected a machine. From m.a.young at durham.ac.uk Mon Oct 27 13:11:53 2003 From: m.a.young at durham.ac.uk (M A Young) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 13:11:53 +0000 (GMT) Subject: libcom_err.so.3 In-Reply-To: References: <20031026204107.20973.qmail@web12007.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 27 Oct 2003, Mike A. Harris wrote: > File a bug report against pine, stating it is my personal 4.58 > version, and I'll investigate it soon. Haven't had any reports > to date that I recall, but if I had I wouldn't be able to track > them via email anyway with 100000 emails per day and all... Filed as https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=108069 It is not too difficult to work around though. Michael Young From chrisw01 at privatei.com Mon Oct 27 13:29:02 2003 From: chrisw01 at privatei.com (Christopher A. Williams) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 06:29:02 -0700 Subject: Anyone tried VMWare? In-Reply-To: <1067247423.19727.26.camel@cash.navtek> References: <1067247423.19727.26.camel@cash.navtek> Message-ID: <1067261342.15729.1.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> On Mon, 2003-10-27 at 02:37, Johnny Ljunggren wrote: > Before I invest too much time trying, can anyone tell me if it works or > not? I use it all the time (latest version of VMware Workstation 4). The only thing you need to do is to set the compiler to use gcc32 before running vmware-config.pl to build the modules (export "CC=gcc32"). Once set up, it works great. Cheers, Chris -- ==================================== "If you get to thinkin' you're a person of some influence, try orderin' someone else's dog around." --Cowboy Wisdom From aph.p at online.fr Mon Oct 27 13:40:08 2003 From: aph.p at online.fr (Alain) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 14:40:08 +0100 Subject: contrib galeon 1.3.10 Message-ID: <1067262007.1296.2.camel@nyarlathotep.fedora> build for Fedora 0.95 http://zannis.chez.tiscali.fr/pub/linux/paquets/galeon-1.3.10-1fed.src.rpm http://zannis.chez.tiscali.fr/pub/linux/paquets/galeon-1.3.10-1fed.i386.rpm http://zannis.chez.tiscali.fr/pub/linux/paquets/galeon-1.3.10-1fed.athlon.rpm http://zannis.chez.tiscali.fr/pub/linux/paquets/RPM-GPG-KEYS cordialement From whooperhsd3 at earthlink.net Mon Oct 27 13:45:29 2003 From: whooperhsd3 at earthlink.net (William Hooper) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 08:45:29 -0500 (EST) Subject: Security Level Configuration (Other ports) In-Reply-To: <673BA339-084C-11D8-AC67-000393C34F68@mac.com> References: <200310221621.26855.elwoo@videotron.ca> <1067223868.14551.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> <64661.69.68.37.57.1067228691.squirrel@69.68.37.57> <673BA339-084C-11D8-AC67-000393C34F68@mac.com> Message-ID: <2736.12.29.16.103.1067262329.squirrel@12.29.16.103> Sean Earp said: > in looking over redhat-config-securitylevel-tui, I notice something > interesting. The settings in the redhat-config-securitylevel-tui are > not the same as they are in the GUI version. I enable (for example) > SSH and FTP passthrough in the GUI, save the changes, and then start up > the TUI version and nothing is selected. I would think that changing > the firewall settings would change them globally... is this a bug??? IIRC the tui version doesn't read the current config. In the past neither tool did, but I believe they have fixed the GUI version. -- William Hooper From shrek-m at gmx.de Mon Oct 27 13:56:16 2003 From: shrek-m at gmx.de (shrek-m at gmx.de) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 14:56:16 +0100 Subject: OT: groupware in fedora core ? Message-ID: <3F9D2400.6060402@gmx.de> hi, i miss a groupware-solution in fedora, after i spend some time (~1 month, september) with www.opengroupware.org and a shorter time (1 day, today ;-) ) with www.moregroupware.org i would say that moregroupware is actually my favourit. easy to setup, more stable, supports more databases, less problems, ... because i was not able to setup www. phpgroupware .org , www. egroupware .org on the same system (i don?t know why) i have no direct comparison. what do you think about a groupware in fedora ? which would you recommend ? thanks. -- shrek-m From barlog_7 at yahoo.com Mon Oct 27 14:06:57 2003 From: barlog_7 at yahoo.com (Malcom Uel) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 06:06:57 -0800 (PST) Subject: samba trouble Message-ID: <20031027140657.26377.qmail@web20712.mail.yahoo.com> Has anyone else had trouble setting up their samba shares. I might just be missing somthing but it was usually pretty easy in redhat 9. I did it same way I it in RH9(except it just did not go) I set everything up in the samba config program, and then make sure that it is on in services(and comes at boot). But when i try to go to network serers I get a "Can't display location":Couldn't display "smb:///", because nautilus cannot contact the SMB master browser. Check that there is a SMB sever running on your network. Now I'm sure there is just a quick fix for this. And i just don't know what I'm doing. As I said it was pretty easy in RH9. I just use the samba config program and it went. I've tinker with the smb.conf a little but couldn't get it going. Sorry if this is not a good place for this post. But I'm not sure if it's busted or... well if I am thanks :) if anyone has any suggestions I would appreciate it. is what my smb.conf looks like: [global] # workgroup = NT-Domain-Name or Workgroup-Name workgroup = mshome # server string is the equivalent of the NT Description field server string = i could sleep for days... and still i wake # This option is important for security. It allows you to restrict # connections to machines which are on your local network. The # following example restricts access to two C class networks and # the "loopback" interface. For more examples of the syntax see # the smb.conf man page ; hosts allow = 192.168.1. 192.168.2. 127. # if you want to automatically load your printer list rather # than setting them up individually then you'll need this printcap name = /etc/printcap load printers = yes # It should not be necessary to spell out the print system type unless # yours is non-standard. Currently supported print systems include: # bsd, sysv, plp, lprng, aix, hpux, qnx ; printing = bsd # Uncomment this if you want a guest account, you must add this to /etc/passwd # otherwise the user "nobody" is used ; guest account = pcguest # this tells Samba to use a separate log file for each machine # that connects log file = /var/log/samba/%m.log # Put a capping on the size of the log files (in Kb). max log size = 50 # Security mode. Most people will want user level security. See # security_level.txt for details. security = SHARE # Use password server option only with security = server ; password server = # Password Level allows matching of _n_ characters of the password for # all combinations of upper and lower case. ; password level = 8 ; username level = 8 # You may wish to use password encryption. Please read # ENCRYPTION.txt, Win95.txt and WinNT.txt in the Samba documentation. # Do not enable this option unless you have read those documents ; encrypt passwords = yes ; smb passwd file = /etc/samba/smbpasswd # The following are needed to allow password changing from Windows to # update the Linux system password also. # NOTE: Use these with 'encrypt passwords' and 'smb passwd file' above. # NOTE2: You do NOT need these to allow workstations to change only # the encrypted SMB passwords. They allow the Unix password # to be kept in sync with the SMB password. ; unix password sync = Yes ; passwd program = /usr/bin/passwd %u ; passwd chat = *New*UNIX*password* %n\n *ReType*new*UNIX*password* %n\n *passwd:*all*authentication*tokens*updated*successfully* # Unix users can map to different SMB User names ; username map = /etc/samba/smbusers # Using the following line enables you to customise your configuration # on a per machine basis. The %m gets replaced with the netbios name # of the machine that is connecting ; include = /etc/samba/smb.conf.%m # Most people will find that this option gives better performance. # See speed.txt and the manual pages for details socket options = TCP_NODELAY SO_RCVBUF=8192 SO_SNDBUF=8192 # Configure Samba to use multiple interfaces # If you have multiple network interfaces then you must list them # here. See the man page for details. ; interfaces = 192.168.12.2/24 192.168.13.2/24 # Configure remote browse list synchronisation here # request announcement to, or browse list sync from: # a specific host or from / to a whole subnet (see below) ; remote browse sync = 192.168.3.25 192.168.5.255 # Cause this host to announce itself to local subnets here ; remote announce = 192.168.1.255 192.168.2.44 # Browser Control Options: # set local master to no if you don't want Samba to become a master # browser on your network. Otherwise the normal election rules apply ; local master = no # OS Level determines the precedence of this server in master browser # elections. The default value should be reasonable ; os level = 33 # Domain Master specifies Samba to be the Domain Master Browser. This # allows Samba to collate browse lists between subnets. Don't use this # if you already have a Windows NT domain controller doing this job ; domain master = yes # Preferred Master causes Samba to force a local browser election on startup # and gives it a slightly higher chance of winning the election ; preferred master = yes # Enable this if you want Samba to be a domain logon server for # Windows95 workstations. ; domain logons = yes # if you enable domain logons then you may want a per-machine or # per user logon script # run a specific logon batch file per workstation (machine) ; logon script = %m.bat # run a specific logon batch file per username ; logon script = %U.bat # Where to store roving profiles (only for Win95 and WinNT) # %L substitutes for this servers netbios name, %U is username # You must uncomment the [Profiles] share below ; logon path = \\%L\Profiles\%U # All NetBIOS names must be resolved to IP Addresses # 'Name Resolve Order' allows the named resolution mechanism to be specified # the default order is "host lmhosts wins bcast". "host" means use the unix # system gethostbyname() function call that will use either /etc/hosts OR # DNS or NIS depending on the settings of /etc/host.config, /etc/nsswitch.conf # and the /etc/resolv.conf file. "host" therefore is system configuration # dependant. This parameter is most often of use to prevent DNS lookups # in order to resolve NetBIOS names to IP Addresses. Use with care! # The example below excludes use of name resolution for machines that are NOT # on the local network segment # - OR - are not deliberately to be known via lmhosts or via WINS. ; name resolve order = wins lmhosts bcast # Windows Internet Name Serving Support Section: # WINS Support - Tells the NMBD component of Samba to enable it's WINS Server ; wins support = yes # WINS Server - Tells the NMBD components of Samba to be a WINS Client # Note: Samba can be either a WINS Server, or a WINS Client, but NOT both ; wins server = w.x.y.z # WINS Proxy - Tells Samba to answer name resolution queries on # behalf of a non WINS capable client, for this to work there must be # at least one WINS Server on the network. The default is NO. ; wins proxy = yes # DNS Proxy - tells Samba whether or not to try to resolve NetBIOS names # via DNS nslookups. The built-in default for versions 1.9.17 is yes, # this has been changed in version 1.9.18 to no. password server = None guest ok = yes guest account = mcgregor dns proxy = no # Case Preservation can be handy - system default is _no_ # NOTE: These can be set on a per share basis ; preserve case = no ; short preserve case = no # Default case is normally upper case for all DOS files ; default case = lower # Be very careful with case sensitivity - it can break things! ; case sensitive = no #============================ Share Definitions ============================== [homes] comment = Home Directories browseable = no writeable = yes # Un-comment the following and create the netlogon directory for Domain Logons ; [netlogon] ; comment = Network Logon Service ; path = /home/netlogon ; guest ok = yes ; writable = no ; share modes = no # Un-comment the following to provide a specific roving profile share # the default is to use the user's home directory ;[Profiles] ; path = /home/profiles ; browseable = no ; guest ok = yes # NOTE: If you have a BSD-style print system there is no need to # specifically define each individual printer [printers] comment = All Printers path = /var/spool/samba browseable = no # Set public = yes to allow user 'guest account' to print printable = yes # This one is useful for people to share files ;[tmp] ; comment = Temporary file space ; path = /tmp ; read only = no ; public = yes # A publicly accessible directory, but read only, except for people in # the "staff" group ;[public] ; comment = Public Stuff ; path = /home/samba ; public = yes ; read only = yes ; write list = @staff # Other examples. # # A private printer, usable only by fred. Spool data will be placed in fred's # home directory. Note that fred must have write access to the spool directory, # wherever it is. ;[fredsprn] ; comment = Fred's Printer ; valid users = fred ; path = /homes/fred ; printer = freds_printer ; public = no ; writable = no ; printable = yes # A private directory, usable only by fred. Note that fred requires write # access to the directory. ;[fredsdir] ; comment = Fred's Service ; path = /usr/somewhere/private ; valid users = fred ; public = no ; writable = yes ; printable = no # a service which has a different directory for each machine that connects # this allows you to tailor configurations to incoming machines. You could # also use the %u option to tailor it by user name. # The %m gets replaced with the machine name that is connecting. ;[pchome] ; comment = PC Directories ; path = /usr/pc/%m ; public = no ; writable = yes # A publicly accessible directory, read/write to all users. Note that all files # created in the directory by users will be owned by the default user, so # any user with access can delete any other user's files. Obviously this # directory must be writable by the default user. Another user could of course # be specified, in which case all files would be owned by that user instead. ;[public] ; path = /usr/somewhere/else/public ; public = yes ; only guest = yes ; writable = yes ; printable = no # The following two entries demonstrate how to share a directory so that two # users can place files there that will be owned by the specific users. In this # setup, the directory should be writable by both users and should have the # sticky bit set on it to prevent abuse. Obviously this could be extended to # as many users as required. ;[myshare] ; comment = Mary's and Fred's stuff ; path = /usr/somewhere/shared ; valid users = mary fred ; public = no ; writable = yes ; printable = no ; create mask = 0765 [sounds] comment = things you can hear path = /storage/sounds guest ok = yes [moving_pictures] comment = things you can see... and hear path = /storage/moving_pictures guest ok = yes [temp] comment = place things here path = /home/mcgregor/temp writeable = yes guest ok = yes __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/ From anvil at livna.org Mon Oct 27 14:09:26 2003 From: anvil at livna.org (Dams) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 15:09:26 +0100 Subject: contrib galeon 1.3.10 In-Reply-To: <1067262007.1296.2.camel@nyarlathotep.fedora> References: <1067262007.1296.2.camel@nyarlathotep.fedora> Message-ID: <1067263766.15177.65.camel@gruyere> Thx. There is also the fedora.us galeon 1.3.10 package awaiting QA : https://bugzilla.fedora.us/show_bug.cgi?id=698 D Le lun 27/10/2003 ? 14:40, Alain a ?crit : > build for Fedora 0.95 > http://zannis.chez.tiscali.fr/pub/linux/paquets/galeon-1.3.10-1fed.src.rpm > http://zannis.chez.tiscali.fr/pub/linux/paquets/galeon-1.3.10-1fed.i386.rpm > http://zannis.chez.tiscali.fr/pub/linux/paquets/galeon-1.3.10-1fed.athlon.rpm > http://zannis.chez.tiscali.fr/pub/linux/paquets/RPM-GPG-KEYS > cordialement -- Dams Nad? Anvil/Anvilou on irc.freenode.net : #Linux-Fr, #Fedora I am looking for a job : http://livna.org/~anvil/cv.php "Dona Nobis Pacem E Dona Eis Requiem". Noir. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Ceci est une partie de message num?riquement sign?e. URL: From ryanpg at yahoo.com Mon Oct 27 14:21:27 2003 From: ryanpg at yahoo.com (Ryan G.) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 06:21:27 -0800 (PST) Subject: Somewhat OT XFree86 question (maybe M. A. Harris will speak up) In-Reply-To: <20031027125401.3043.86609.Mailman@listman.back-rdu.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20031027142127.17022.qmail@web10009.mail.yahoo.com> Hi list, Maybe this is OT maybe not, since fedora *is* a desktop testbed. I'm a devoted Linux/OSX user. I have eye-candy/HIG/productivity envy when I'm wearing my linux shoes. So I've googled around and found some interesting projects xdirectfb being one. Although many people think things like transparency and zoom effects are useless (see numerous slashdot threads) I find them to be quite useful and productivity enhancing. My questions are these; 1-is/will true transparency implimented in gtk/xfree 2-will redhat support any competing window systems (or provide them as options) 3-does anyone know if keith packard and the suse crew are still working on xrender are there competing options out there 4-what's the general status of xfree and what's the policy for including upstream versions of x with fedora. If this is WAY too off topic please ignore me (I'll go away quietly) otherwise I'll be interested to hear opinions. -ry ===== --r-- From bfd at pcisys.net Mon Oct 27 14:25:34 2003 From: bfd at pcisys.net (BFD) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 07:25:34 -0700 Subject: User time now displays in UTC, not local In-Reply-To: References: <3F9C890D.8010404@pcisys.net> Message-ID: <3F9D2ADE.9020003@pcisys.net> netopml at newview.com wrote: > Yeah, check the permission on /etc/localtime (if it's x00, users will get > time as UTC) and let us know. Those permissions are 644. Somehow, the problem resolved itself, and I don't have a clue as to how. I logged off, logged in as root, the problem was not there, created another user, logged in as that user, found that the problem was there also, logged off and then on as myself and found that the problem has disappeared. Ain't computers just grand? Thanx for the help to those who gave it. BFD From nosp at xades.com Mon Oct 27 14:32:49 2003 From: nosp at xades.com (nosp) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 14:32:49 +0000 Subject: OpenOffice.org-menu entries missing (FCt3) In-Reply-To: <1067247309.19727.23.camel@cash.navtek> References: <1067245258.19727.9.camel@cash.navtek> <1067245721.1498.9.camel@isengard> <1067247309.19727.23.camel@cash.navtek> Message-ID: <1067265169.8842.71.camel@earth.xades.com> On Mon, 2003-10-27 at 09:35, Johnny Ljunggren wrote: > Anybody know the correct lines to put in sources.list to > get apt install updates from rawhide? http://www.xades.com/proj/fedora_repos.html From christoph.wickert at web.de Mon Oct 27 15:02:19 2003 From: christoph.wickert at web.de (Christoph Wickert) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 16:02:19 +0100 Subject: samba trouble In-Reply-To: <20031027140657.26377.qmail@web20712.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20031027140657.26377.qmail@web20712.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1067266939.6118.2.camel@hal9000.lokales.netz> Am Mo, den 27.10.2003 schrieb Malcom Uel um 15:06: > But when > i try to go to network serers I get a "Can't display > location":Couldn't display "smb:///", because nautilus > cannot contact the SMB master browser. Check that > there is a SMB sever running on your network. I think this has been discussed before: Even if you choose to run no firewall during the installation, firewall is turned on. Turn it off or change your eth0 to be a "secure Device" with redhat-config-securitylevel. Christoph From than at redhat.com Mon Oct 27 15:02:18 2003 From: than at redhat.com (Than Ngo) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 16:02:18 +0100 Subject: KDE "Start Here' doesn't work? In-Reply-To: <03345E2E-084E-11D8-AC67-000393C34F68@mac.com> References: <200310221621.26855.elwoo@videotron.ca> <1067223868.14551.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> <64661.69.68.37.57.1067228691.squirrel@69.68.37.57> <673BA339-084C-11D8-AC67-000393C34F68@mac.com> <03345E2E-084E-11D8-AC67-000393C34F68@mac.com> Message-ID: <3F9D337A.7070002@redhat.com> Sean Earp schrieb: > Hello all- > > Using FC Test 3, latest updates from Rawhide... In KDE, the "Start > Here" icon on the desktop doesn't work... just pops up a message that > says: > > "Error - KDesktop > Malformed URL > Start-here:" > > Works fine in Gnome, but not in KDE. Am I the only one, or do I need > to throw this at Bugzilla? it's a know bug, and should be fixed in kdebase-3.1.4-5. Than From alan at redhat.com Mon Oct 27 15:04:44 2003 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 10:04:44 -0500 (EST) Subject: Somewhat OT XFree86 question (maybe M. A. Harris will speak up) In-Reply-To: <20031027142127.17022.qmail@web10009.mail.yahoo.com> from "Ryan G." at Hyd 27, 2003 06:21:27 Message-ID: <200310271504.h9RF4i924615@devserv.devel.redhat.com> > 2-will redhat support any competing window systems (or provide them as > options) Its a project. You want to package Xdirectfb thats great. > 3-does anyone know if keith packard and the suse crew are still working > on xrender are there competing options out there Keith is working on cool stuff still yes. Whether XFree will pick it up I don't know but I hope so. Someone has already packaged some versions of Keiths kdrive X server for x86 for low end systems, where it is a definite win. From tamas.r.sashalmi at vanderbilt.edu Mon Oct 27 15:07:05 2003 From: tamas.r.sashalmi at vanderbilt.edu (Tamas R Sashalmi) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 09:07:05 -0600 Subject: up2date-4.1.11-3.i386.rpm keyerror? Message-ID: After update of the up2date-4.1.11-3.i386.rpm package I'm not able to update my system. What should I do? What is the Keyerror? Thanks Error message: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/share/rhn/up2date_client/gui.py", line 1365, in onChannelsPageNext self.pList.run() File "/usr/share/rhn/up2date_client/packageList.py", line 123, in run progressCallback = self.progressCallback ) File "/usr/share/rhn/up2date_client/rhnPackageInfo.py", line 404, in obsoletes List progressCallback = progressCallback ) File "/usr/share/rhn/up2date_client/rpcServer.py", line 110, in doCall ret = apply(method, args, kwargs) File "/usr/share/rhn/up2date_client/repoDirector.py", line 27, in getObsoletes return self.handlers[channel['type']].getObsoletes(channel, msgCallback, pro gressCallback) File "/usr/share/rhn/up2date_client/rpmSource.py", line 249, in getObsoletes msgCallback, progressCallback) File "/usr/share/rhn/up2date_client/repoBackends/yumRepo.py", line 293, in get Obsoletes pkgList = self.pkglists[channel['label']] KeyError: rawhide Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/share/rhn/up2date_client/gui.py", line 1431, in onSkippedPagePrepar e self.__preparePackageList() File "/usr/share/rhn/up2date_client/gui.py", line 1317, in __preparePackageLis t self.pList.run() File "/usr/share/rhn/up2date_client/packageList.py", line 123, in run progressCallback = self.progressCallback ) File "/usr/share/rhn/up2date_client/rhnPackageInfo.py", line 404, in obsoletes List progressCallback = progressCallback ) File "/usr/share/rhn/up2date_client/rpcServer.py", line 110, in doCall ret = apply(method, args, kwargs) File "/usr/share/rhn/up2date_client/repoDirector.py", line 27, in getObsoletes return self.handlers[channel['type']].getObsoletes(channel, msgCallback, pro gressCallback) File "/usr/share/rhn/up2date_client/rpmSource.py", line 249, in getObsoletes msgCallback, progressCallback) File "/usr/share/rhn/up2date_client/repoBackends/yumRepo.py", line 293, in get Obsoletes pkgList = self.pkglists[channel['label']] KeyError: rawhide From pauln at truemesh.com Mon Oct 27 15:22:10 2003 From: pauln at truemesh.com (Paul Nasrat) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 15:22:10 +0000 Subject: up2date-4.1.11-3.i386.rpm keyerror? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20031027152209.GG5672@shitake.truemesh.com> On Mon, Oct 27, 2003 at 09:07:05AM -0600, Tamas R Sashalmi wrote: > > After update of the up2date-4.1.11-3.i386.rpm package I'm not able to > update my system. > What should I do? Nothing it's in bugzilla feel free to track: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=108085 > What is the Keyerror? It's a python error. Paul From Epps.Aaron at mayo.edu Mon Oct 27 15:37:08 2003 From: Epps.Aaron at mayo.edu (Epps, Aaron M.) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 09:37:08 -0600 Subject: Network Interface Problem Message-ID: I have a server that had it's UPS battery go bad over the weekend and lost power. When I bring it up this morning, it can bring up the network interface. Everything's assigned via DHCP, anyone know what could've happened to cause this? Did something get corrupted, should I run fsck on /? I'm can't think of why losing power would screw up the NIC on reboot, hardware failure maybe? 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Raxet From nphilipp at redhat.com Mon Oct 27 16:00:06 2003 From: nphilipp at redhat.com (Nils Philippsen) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 17:00:06 +0100 Subject: metacity question In-Reply-To: <1067206789.5792.28.camel@tower.steins.net> References: <200310262211.h9QMBCZ24426@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1067206789.5792.28.camel@tower.steins.net> Message-ID: <1067270405.4808.30.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> On Sun, 2003-10-26 at 23:05, Neil Birchler wrote: > > If you check previous posts by others in this forum, you'll see that > > this 'lacking option' is one of the downpoints of Nautilus. > > this has nothing to do with Nautilus and everything to do with the > fact > that Metacity has nearly _ZERO_ configuration options. i mean jeebuz, > you can't even make a window always be on top. am i using ms windows, > because i always thought *NIX stuff was supposed to be _more_ > configurable. On Sun, 2003-10-26 at 23:19, Neil Birchler wrote: > > Metacity is a simple window manager for basic stuff anyone can in theory > > use. Its like complaining gedit isnt fully emacs equivalent, you don't > > 'fix gedit' you use emacs. > > point taken. "Always on Top" is not what i would consider an exotic > feature though. Recent metacity versions have the GConf key /apps/metacity/windows_keybindings/toggle_above with which you can at least configure a key combination to put the window on top. Not that this really warrants leaving it out of the window menu (instead of having many entries "Move to Workspace N" which could be easily put into a sub menu if N is too great -- here, N==8 ;-). You could even hide this behind a boolean GConf key to not scare away mere mortals with too many menu items. I don't know whether Havoc takes patches in that direction. Nils -- Nils Philippsen / Red Hat / nphilipp at redhat.com "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- B. Franklin, 1759 PGP fingerprint: C4A8 9474 5C4C ADE3 2B8F 656D 47D8 9B65 6951 3011 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From rpjday at mindspring.com Mon Oct 27 15:59:35 2003 From: rpjday at mindspring.com (Robert P. J. Day) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 10:59:35 -0500 (EST) Subject: yum tutorial and setting up ATAPI laptop drive without SCSI emulation Message-ID: first, and totally off-topic, there's an updated version of my yum tutorial online at http://www.kwlug.org/download.php if you're interested. most of the blanks have been filled in; feedback always appreciated. (it's still not finalized, but it's getting there.) second, i'm running FC3 (well, FC2 with absolutely everything updated to FC3) on my inspiron 8100, and i'd like to set it up to access the ATAPI CD-RW drive (/dev/hdb) without the historical SCSI emulation. at the moment, working with kernel 2.6.0-test8, after i boot, there's no record of a CD-ROM drive, so i'm thinking i've somehow messed up converting over from the SCSI emulation to not needing it. that is, i should be able to run things like # cdrecord dev=/dev/hdb ... and so on. i'm about to go over all my config file settings and kernel options again to see what i missed, but is there a short recipe for what's necessary? rday From nphilipp at redhat.com Mon Oct 27 16:07:40 2003 From: nphilipp at redhat.com (Nils Philippsen) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 17:07:40 +0100 Subject: Trying to get the Graphire to work In-Reply-To: <20031027021650.33769.qmail@web10705.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20031027021650.33769.qmail@web10705.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1067270859.4808.36.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> On Mon, 2003-10-27 at 03:16, James J. Ramsey wrote: > --- "James J. Ramsey" > wrote: > > > I can think of one thing that I'm doing that might > > contribute to the problem. X needs a CorePointer > > device to start up, so one of the things recommended > > in the HOWTOs has been to 1) set the > > AllowMouseOpenFail flag and 2) to set up a bogus > > InputDevice as the CorePointer. The device file for > > this bogus InputDevice is some non-existent file, > > like > > /dev/fake. This is probably why the mouse cursor was > > initially frozen. > > Unfortunately, fixing this didn't help. I ditched the > bogus InputDevice and set the Wacom mouse (the cursor) > as the CorePointer. I still have all the same > problems. I have this in /etc/X11/XF86Config and my tablet worked last time I used it (with normal kernel and XFree86): [...] Section "ServerLayout" InputDevice "stylus" InputDevice "eraser" InputDevice "cursor" Identifier "XFree86 Configured" Screen 0 "Screen0" 0 0 InputDevice "Mouse0" "CorePointer" InputDevice "Keyboard0" "CoreKeyboard" EndSection [...] Section "Module" [...] Load "wacom" EndSection [...] Section "InputDevice" #Option "DebugLevel" "2" Identifier "stylus" Driver "wacom" Option "Device" "/dev/input/event0" Option "Mode" "Absolute" Option "Type" "stylus" Option "Suppress" "10" Option "Threshold" "50" Option "USB" "on" Option "SendCoreEvents" EndSection Section "InputDevice" #Option "DebugLevel" "2" Identifier "eraser" Driver "wacom" Option "Device" "/dev/input/event0" Option "Mode" "Absolute" Option "Type" "eraser" Option "Suppress" "10" Option "USB" "on" Option "SendCoreEvents" EndSection Section "InputDevice" #Option "DebugLevel" "2" Identifier "cursor" Driver "wacom" Option "Device" "/dev/input/event0" Option "Mode" "absolute" Option "Type" "cursor" Option "Suppress" "10" Option "USB" "on" Option "SendCoreEvents" EndSection [...] Nils -- Nils Philippsen / Red Hat / nphilipp at redhat.com "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- B. Franklin, 1759 PGP fingerprint: C4A8 9474 5C4C ADE3 2B8F 656D 47D8 9B65 6951 3011 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From czar at czarc.net Mon Oct 27 16:06:23 2003 From: czar at czarc.net (Gene C.) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 11:06:23 -0500 Subject: rhgb Message-ID: <200310271106.23972.czar@czarc.net> Just what (if anything) should rhgb do if a service fails to start properly ... currently, it appears to do nothing and you cannot really tell if a service starts properly or not. I created a simple service in /etc/init.d/ which would fail as designed and added a symbolic link into /etc/rc5.d/ to that service. If I boot and "Show details, then the service shows as "[FAILED]" but in that graphic boot, nothing is shown. While the graphic boot is "nice", how can we tell that everything started properly? -- Gene From christoph.wickert at web.de Mon Oct 27 16:13:42 2003 From: christoph.wickert at web.de (Christoph Wickert) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 17:13:42 +0100 Subject: KDE "Start Here' doesn't work? In-Reply-To: <3F9D337A.7070002@redhat.com> References: <200310221621.26855.elwoo@videotron.ca> <1067223868.14551.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> <64661.69.68.37.57.1067228691.squirrel@69.68.37.57> <673BA339-084C-11D8-AC67-000393C34F68@mac.com> <03345E2E-084E-11D8-AC67-000393C34F68@mac.com> <3F9D337A.7070002@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1067271222.6118.19.camel@hal9000.lokales.netz> Am Mo, den 27.10.2003 schrieb Than Ngo um 16:02: > > > it's a know bug, and should be fixed in kdebase-3.1.4-5. This is what happened to me: Start Here worked in Gnome. After some Updates it worked with KDE, too. After changing the icon theme in KDE there was no icon anymore (for KDE themes usually include no Start here), so I changed the Icon to the one from RH artwork. Now Start here is broken in Gnome: Something like "The application connected to vfolder is not valid." (sorry for the bad translation), and im not able to set up a new application for the button for this doesn't work. So you can't have Start here in KDE and Gnome. Will this be fixed in kdebase 3.1.4-5? Thanks a lot Christoph -- Christoph Wickert From nphilipp at redhat.com Mon Oct 27 16:11:12 2003 From: nphilipp at redhat.com (Nils Philippsen) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 17:11:12 +0100 Subject: contrib galeon 1.3.10 In-Reply-To: <1067263766.15177.65.camel@gruyere> References: <1067262007.1296.2.camel@nyarlathotep.fedora> <1067263766.15177.65.camel@gruyere> Message-ID: <1067271071.4808.39.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> On Mon, 2003-10-27 at 15:09, Dams wrote: > Thx. > There is also the fedora.us galeon 1.3.10 package awaiting QA : > https://bugzilla.fedora.us/show_bug.cgi?id=698 > > D > > Le lun 27/10/2003 ? 14:40, Alain a ?crit : > > build for Fedora 0.95 > > http://zannis.chez.tiscali.fr/pub/linux/paquets/galeon-1.3.10-1fed.src.rpm > > http://zannis.chez.tiscali.fr/pub/linux/paquets/galeon-1.3.10-1fed.i386.rpm > > http://zannis.chez.tiscali.fr/pub/linux/paquets/galeon-1.3.10-1fed.athlon.rpm > > http://zannis.chez.tiscali.fr/pub/linux/paquets/RPM-GPG-KEYS > > cordialement For the sake of completeness, I also packages it and put it up at the usual location/yum repo (signed with my GPG key). Nils -- Nils Philippsen / Red Hat / nphilipp at redhat.com "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- B. Franklin, 1759 PGP fingerprint: C4A8 9474 5C4C ADE3 2B8F 656D 47D8 9B65 6951 3011 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From whb at ceimaine.org Mon Oct 27 16:14:25 2003 From: whb at ceimaine.org (Will Backman) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 11:14:25 -0500 Subject: Monitor Applet with kernel 2.6 Message-ID: <1067271264.1331.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> I don't know if 2.6 kernel questions are considered unwanted noise, but... I usually run the little monitor applet to view CPU, swap, and RAM usage. Memory and swap always show 0% used now. Is this expected? Also, running 400Mhz Intel with 128MB RAM. RH9 was kinda slow in default config. Fedora Core RC3 is much more responsive, even without 2.6 kernel. Many thanks to those people who are making new releases faster. -- Will From ryanpg at yahoo.com Mon Oct 27 16:33:31 2003 From: ryanpg at yahoo.com (Ryan G.) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 08:33:31 -0800 (PST) Subject: fedora-test-list digest, Vol 1 #340 - 31 msgs In-Reply-To: <20031027082603.24995.7455.Mailman@listman.back-rdu.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20031027163331.25119.qmail@web10004.mail.yahoo.com> > Subject: Re: metacity question > On Sun, 2003-10-26 at 18:18, Paul Morgan wrote: > > On Sun, 2003-10-26 at 15:51, Ryan G. wrote: > > > I must have missed the earlier thread but did by chance it cover > any of > > > these issues; > > > > > > 1-wire frame window move mode > > > > use gconf_editor to enable /apps/metacity/general/reduced_resources > > Thanks for this info! This is the ONLY feature I have wanted in > matacity for some time now. Before, when I would move windows around > my > processor would spike sometimes up to 80%+. That is a good tip and sure enough dragging windows around no longer PEGS my P4 2.4gh laptop. However I still don't get wire-frame windows. I wonder what's going on. -ry ===== --r-- From knxmay001 at mail.uct.ac.za Mon Oct 27 16:44:03 2003 From: knxmay001 at mail.uct.ac.za (Maynard Kuona) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 18:44:03 +0200 Subject: Login problems Message-ID: <1067273043.3260.0.camel@pc013.kopano.uct.ac.za> I have a wierd problem here. I noticed that when I am disconneted from my network, I can not log on to my machine. It seems when I log on, it sees me as being connected remotely to another computer, even though that 'remote' computer is mine. How do I change this so that I log on to a 'local' domain, instead of a 'remote' one. From maxka at myrealbox.com Mon Oct 27 16:45:04 2003 From: maxka at myrealbox.com (Maxwell Kanat-Alexander) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 08:45:04 -0800 Subject: Network Interface Problem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1067273104.3085.0.camel@max.localdomain> On Mon, 2003-10-27 at 07:37, Epps, Aaron M. wrote: > I have a server that had it's UPS battery go bad over the weekend > and lost power. When I bring it up this morning, it can bring up the > network interface. Have you upgraded the O/S in any way since the last time the computer booted? -M -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From jjramsey_6x9eq42 at yahoo.com Mon Oct 27 16:58:09 2003 From: jjramsey_6x9eq42 at yahoo.com (James J. Ramsey) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 08:58:09 -0800 (PST) Subject: Trying to get the Graphire to work In-Reply-To: <1067270859.4808.36.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20031027165809.12541.qmail@web10710.mail.yahoo.com> --- Nils Philippsen wrote: > On Mon, 2003-10-27 at 03:16, James J. Ramsey wrote: > > --- "James J. Ramsey" > > wrote: > > > > > I can think of one thing that I'm doing that > might > > > contribute to the problem. X needs a CorePointer > > > device to start up, so one of the things > recommended > > > in the HOWTOs has been to 1) set the > > > AllowMouseOpenFail flag and 2) to set up a bogus > > > InputDevice as the CorePointer. The device file > for > > > this bogus InputDevice is some non-existent > file, > > > like > > > /dev/fake. This is probably why the mouse cursor > was > > > initially frozen. > > > > Unfortunately, fixing this didn't help. I ditched > the > > bogus InputDevice and set the Wacom mouse (the > cursor) > > as the CorePointer. I still have all the same > > problems. > > I have this in /etc/X11/XF86Config and my tablet > worked last time I used > it (with normal kernel and XFree86): Your XF86Config file looks similar to mine. Three questions: 1) Do you use a regular mouse in addition to the tablet? 2) Have you rebooted since you attached your tablet? 3) Has your system been updated with the latest Rawhide RPMS? (When I first tried out the tablet with Fedora, everything was from the stock test3 CDs. The RHN applet had fooled me into thinking there were no updates. My bad. I'm updating now; at this moment, up2date is *still* resolving the dependencies of the 13454 RPM headers that have been downloaded.) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/ From elwoo at videotron.ca Mon Oct 27 17:01:36 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 12:01:36 -0500 Subject: KDE "Start Here' doesn't work? In-Reply-To: <03345E2E-084E-11D8-AC67-000393C34F68@mac.com> References: <200310221621.26855.elwoo@videotron.ca> <673BA339-084C-11D8-AC67-000393C34F68@mac.com> <03345E2E-084E-11D8-AC67-000393C34F68@mac.com> Message-ID: <200310271201.37279.elwoo@videotron.ca> On October 27, 2003 02:20 am, Sean Earp , > wrote: > Hello all- > > Using FC Test 3, latest updates from Rawhide... In KDE, the "Start > Here" icon on the desktop doesn't work... just pops up a message that > says: > > "Error - KDesktop > Malformed URL > Start-here:" > > Works fine in Gnome, but not in KDE. Am I the only one, or do I need > to throw this at Bugzilla? I think it's related to this bug: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=102533 Elton ;-) -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From elwoo at videotron.ca Mon Oct 27 17:18:08 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 12:18:08 -0500 Subject: would someone kindly clarify this paragaph, please (RH business model) In-Reply-To: References: <200310270023.53972.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <200310271218.08389.elwoo@videotron.ca> On October 27, 2003 02:46 am, Mike A. Harris , <"Mike A. Harris" > wrote: > On Mon, 27 Oct 2003, Elton Woo wrote: > >"Open source software is not free. Though freedom may be an abstract > > concept for commercial products, it can be ideal for software. Free > > software means no one company can fully own and conceal it. Software > > lock-in is impossible." > > > >I have just read, and re-read the above statement four times, and I still > >don't understand it. > >Here's the link: > > > >http://www.redhat.com/about/mission/business_model.html > >... and NO, I am *not* being sarcastic. I honestly can not understand > >that statement. > > I read the page now also, and I think it is a bit confusing > although I do know what was intended by the statement. What was > intended is something like "Open source software is not always > free of cost, however it is always free in the sense of the > liberty one has with the source code." The statement as present > on the web page I believe assumes too much from the reader, and > should be clarified. Thank you Mike. I thought I was the only one who thought the paragraph to be confusing, and at the very least, *contradictory*. IMHO, if it were worded thus: "Unlike closed-source, or propietart software, open-source code is free." I am aware and I would even dare to say that I *understand* the GPL. ... as *I* understand it (please correct me if I am off-base): I am free to download the code, and re-engineer or even reverse engineer it ... AS LONG AS I provide the original code, my modified code is OPEN to view by anyone, and that I MAINTAIN *all accreditation* to the original sources and developers (to wit, the programmers who developed the original code, and where this is applicable, accreditation to Red Hat's participation). What I may NOT do is to copy and redistribute the source with parts of it being CLOSED, and / or stripping any references to the originators or developers of the code, *OR* claim that the work is solely MINE. I am also free to CHARGE for the media on which the code is distrubuted, even to the point of selling in a boxed set, and charging for printed (*hard-copy*) documentation, _as long as)_ I do NOT charge for the actual software. So, going by that, if I download Red Hat Fedora, and burn some CD's, I am not "stealing", and I can even print a manual, and creat a shrink-wrapped set for resale, _as long as_ 1) I do not claim the code as my own, 2) Either I strip Red Hat's trademarks from the code, or licence such marks from Red Hat. AND clearly indicate this has been done. 3) Charge only for the _physical_ media: CD or DVD disks, printed manual(s), container. The above is how I understand and interpret the terms of the GPL, (including how it applies to Red Hat linux). Of course, I am not claiming that my interpretation is *correct* so please direct me wherever I am at fault. Elton ;-) -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From czar at czarc.net Mon Oct 27 17:30:55 2003 From: czar at czarc.net (Gene C.) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 12:30:55 -0500 Subject: Bugzilla doesn't send mail any more. In-Reply-To: <16284.12780.803538.801859@uebn.uddeborg.se> References: <16284.12780.803538.801859@uebn.uddeborg.se> Message-ID: <200310271230.55979.czar@czarc.net> On Sunday 26 October 2003 15:43, G?ran Uddeborg wrote: > The last few times I've modified bugzillas, nobody has got a mail. > Everybody is on the "excluding" line. Even myself, although I've > asked for mails even for my own changes. > > Is something broken, or why is this? > > As an example, I just added a comment to > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=75040 and added > myself to cc on > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=58942 but in > neither case anybody got any mail. I am also seeing "missing" bugzilla email ... and it is not very consistent ... sometimes I get them and sometimes not .... sometimes I get an additional command I append but not the original report ... sometimes I get the original report but not the appended comment. I am not sure if it is something to do with the email server I am using or something else. Any comments? -- Gene From cantisan at bol.com.br Mon Oct 27 17:32:11 2003 From: cantisan at bol.com.br (cantisan) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 17:32:11 +0000 Subject: fedora-test-list digest, Vol 1 #343 - 3 msgs Message-ID: I installed a HD 40 GB Seagate, I used fdisk to create one partition with 40 GB, after that I use mkfs to format the partition, both without any problem. But instead of 40 GB I only have 31 GB, I tryied again and the problem persist, anyone can help me ? Regards, GC __________________________________________________________________________ Acabe com aquelas janelinhas que pulam na sua tela. AntiPop-up UOL - ? gr?tis! http://antipopup.uol.com.br/ From cantisan at bol.com.br Mon Oct 27 17:32:26 2003 From: cantisan at bol.com.br (cantisan) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 17:32:26 +0000 Subject: HD 40 GB but 31 GB instead. Message-ID: I installed a HD 40 GB Seagate, I used fdisk to create one partition with 40 GB, after that I use mkfs to format the partition, both without any problem. But instead of 40 GB I only have 31 GB, I tryied again and the problem persist, anyone can help me ? Regards, GC __________________________________________________________________________ Acabe com aquelas janelinhas que pulam na sua tela. AntiPop-up UOL - ? gr?tis! http://antipopup.uol.com.br/ From reader at newsguy.com Mon Oct 27 17:32:30 2003 From: reader at newsguy.com (Harry Putnam) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 11:32:30 -0600 Subject: Updating test 3 Message-ID: I know this has been covered rather extensively but it seems I've lost track of the last best way to do an up2date no test3. I've included the line in /etc/sysconfig/rhn/sources yum rawhide http://ftp.redhat.com/pub/redhat/linux/rawhide/ Running up2date -u shows a huge list of things to update, get to the dependancy resolving part and seems eventuall to hang completely. It ran over 2hrs and had resouces pegged at 96% at the end of that time, before I sig KILL'ed it. On the other hand a `yum upgrade' shows the following output: [root at exp root]# yum upgrade Gathering header information file(s) from server(s) Server: Red Hat Linux 0.95 - i386 - Base Server: Red Hat Linux 0.95 - Updates Finding updated packages Downloading needed headers Finding obsoleted packages Resolving dependencies .Dependencies resolved I will do the following: [update: compat-db 4.0.14-2.i386] I will install/upgrade these to satisfy the dependencies: [deps: compat-libstdc++ 7.3-2.96.118.i386] Is this ok [y/N]: y Getting compat-libstdc++-7.3-2.96.118.i386.rpm Getting compat-db-4.0.14-2.i386.rpm Calculating available disk space - this could take a bit compat-libstdc++ 100 % done 1/2 compat-db 100 % done 2/2 Updated: compat-db 4.0.14-2.i386 Dep Installed: compat-libstdc++ 7.3-2.96.118.i386 Transaction(s) Complete That is, 2 pkgs upgraded. So what is happening here? I'm not supposed to use up2date now? From dstewart at atl.lmco.com Mon Oct 27 17:46:58 2003 From: dstewart at atl.lmco.com (Doug Stewart) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 12:46:58 -0500 Subject: HD 40 GB but 31 GB instead. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3F9D5A12.4090509@atl.lmco.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 cantisan wrote: | I installed a HD 40 GB Seagate, I used fdisk to create | one partition with 40 GB, after that I use mkfs to | format the partition, both without any problem. But | instead of 40 GB I only have 31 GB, I tryied again and | the problem persist, anyone can help me ? | | Regards, | GC | | __________________________________________________________________________ | Acabe com aquelas janelinhas que pulam na sua tela. | AntiPop-up UOL - ? gr?tis! | http://antipopup.uol.com.br/ | What tool are you using to determine your disk size? - -- - ---------- Doug Stewart Systems Administrator/Web Applications Developer Lockheed Martin Advanced Technology Labs dstewart at atl.lmco.com Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/nVoSN50Q8DVvcvkRAk6uAJ0RJX1nQcW0+iMIAWSRuSygajeCQgCfQdrm v/OHh3RuvZRMN37OxZgQjEs= =MueL -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From nphilipp at redhat.com Mon Oct 27 17:48:38 2003 From: nphilipp at redhat.com (Nils Philippsen) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 18:48:38 +0100 Subject: Trying to get the Graphire to work In-Reply-To: <20031027165809.12541.qmail@web10710.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20031027165809.12541.qmail@web10710.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1067276918.28139.3.camel@wombat.tiptoe.de> On Mon, 2003-10-27 at 17:58, James J. Ramsey wrote: > --- Nils Philippsen wrote: [...] > Your XF86Config file looks similar to mine. Three > questions: > > 1) Do you use a regular mouse in addition to the > tablet? Yes, a Logitech USB one. > 2) Have you rebooted since you attached your tablet? Too many times to count them (I have the tablet since 8.0 times IIRC). > 3) Has your system been updated with the latest > Rawhide RPMS? Absolutely. If my memory serves me right, I didn't have any issues with the tablet since quite some time. Nils -- Nils Philippsen / Red Hat / nphilipp at redhat.com "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- B. Franklin, 1759 PGP fingerprint: C4A8 9474 5C4C ADE3 2B8F 656D 47D8 9B65 6951 3011 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From matthias at rpmforge.net Mon Oct 27 17:52:17 2003 From: matthias at rpmforge.net (Matthias Saou) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 18:52:17 +0100 Subject: HD 40 GB but 31 GB instead. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20031027185217.75e02274.matthias@rpmforge.net> cantisan wrote : > I installed a HD 40 GB Seagate, I used fdisk to create > one partition with 40 GB, after that I use mkfs to > format the partition, both without any problem. But > instead of 40 GB I only have 31 GB, I tryied again and > the problem persist, anyone can help me ? The first problem is that "40GB drives" are usually "40x1000x1000B drives" instead, so you'll never get 40GB anyway. The second problem is that you probably have the default 5% of disk space reserved for the root user after formatting the partition. Try this : "tune2fs -m 0 /dev/hdXn" (where "0" is the percentage and hdXn is your partition) And you'll get plenty of space back. Matthias -- Clean custom Red Hat Linux rpm packages : http://freshrpms.net/ Fedora Core release 0.95 (Severn) - Linux kernel 2.4.22-20.1.2024.2.36.nptl Load : 1.77 1.32 1.14 From fedora at andrewfarris.com Mon Oct 27 17:46:04 2003 From: fedora at andrewfarris.com (Andrew Farris) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 09:46:04 -0800 Subject: samba trouble In-Reply-To: <1067266939.6118.2.camel@hal9000.lokales.netz> References: <20031027140657.26377.qmail@web20712.mail.yahoo.com> <1067266939.6118.2.camel@hal9000.lokales.netz> Message-ID: <1067276764.29218.72.camel@CirithUngol> On Mon, 2003-10-27 at 07:02, Christoph Wickert wrote: > Am Mo, den 27.10.2003 schrieb Malcom Uel um 15:06: > > But when > > i try to go to network serers I get a "Can't display > > location":Couldn't display "smb:///", because nautilus > > cannot contact the SMB master browser. Check that > > there is a SMB sever running on your network. > > I think this has been discussed before: Even if you choose to run no > firewall during the installation, firewall is turned on. Turn it off or > change your eth0 to be a "secure Device" with > redhat-config-securitylevel. > Christoph Disabling a firewall altogether isn't the best of ideas, even when a system is behind a hardware firewall or other router (it is a good testing means tho yes). It would be very beneficial to those who haven't learned iptables to add samba to redhat-config-security-level. This would make integrating a fedora box with a windows network much simpler, and could be added as a clickbox option with the other servers. Along that line, this is another reason that customizing the firewall through the tool is important (as mentioned in other mail), not just a pretty feature. People turning off firewalls on exposed boxes without realizing what they are doing (just to make samba work) aren't just exposed themselves, they create available boxes for other mischief. Andrew -- Andrew J Farris California Polytechnic State University, San Luis Obispo CA http://www.andrewfarris.com/ From mbrodeur+rhlp at NextTime.com Mon Oct 27 17:58:40 2003 From: mbrodeur+rhlp at NextTime.com (Matt Brodeur) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 12:58:40 -0500 Subject: HD 40 GB but 31 GB instead. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20031027175840.GB20455@perhaps.nexttime.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: msg.pgp URL: From farrisg at mala.bc.ca Mon Oct 27 17:55:28 2003 From: farrisg at mala.bc.ca (George Farris) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 09:55:28 -0800 Subject: supermount or equiv? In-Reply-To: <01L292RIY4W2002NX6@rcum.uni-mb.si> References: <01L292RIY4W2002NX6@rcum.uni-mb.si> Message-ID: <1067277327.15029.9.camel@falcon.cc.mala.bc.ca> On Sat, 2003-10-25 at 07:14, DAVID BALAZIC wrote: > George Farris wrote: > > How do you mean it doesn't work with some program ? > It is a FS driver. It works with every program. Well in GNOME once accessed, the floppy never gets unmounted. I followed your script and those are the results i got, it's possible I have something configured wrong. I played with autofs sometime ago and this seemed to always be a problem with desktop environments. > > >Linux floppy support for the type of hardware that we have is broken, it > lack of motivation ? > other more interesting things to do ? > > why don't YOU do it ? > > Mandrake has done this for years but it doesn't get included in the kernel, probably because the supermount code is no good, I don't know. Thanks for your support, however, I don't have the kernel coding skills to do this, wish I did. -- George Farris farrisg at mala.bc.ca Malaspina University-College - Cowichan Campus From akabi at speakeasy.net Mon Oct 27 18:01:47 2003 From: akabi at speakeasy.net (ne...) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 13:01:47 -0500 (EST) Subject: Trying to get the Graphire to work In-Reply-To: <20031027165809.12541.qmail@web10710.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20031027165809.12541.qmail@web10710.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Oct 27, 2003 at 08:58, James J. Ramsey in a soothing rage wrote: [...] >(When I first tried out the tablet with Fedora, >everything was from the stock test3 CDs. The RHN >applet had fooled me into thinking there were no >updates. My bad. I'm updating now; at this moment, >up2date is *still* resolving the dependencies of the >13454 RPM headers that have been downloaded.) Aaargh, you should have updated up2date before updating the system. Now you are pulling headers for all the arches in the repos. N.Emile... -- Registered Linux User # 125653 (http://counter.li.org) Switch to: http://www.speakeasy.net/refer/190653 Administration: An ingenious abstraction in politics, designed to receive the kicks and cuffs due to the premier or president. -- Ambrose Bierce 12:59:36 up 64 days, 1:34, 4 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 From kodis at mail630.gsfc.nasa.gov Mon Oct 27 18:02:39 2003 From: kodis at mail630.gsfc.nasa.gov (John Kodis) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 13:02:39 -0500 Subject: rhythmbox: failed to create spider element Message-ID: <20031027180239.GB460@tux.gsfc.nasa.gov> I've tried to listen to an internet radiostation using rhythmbox, but all that I can get to happen is for an error dialog saying "Failed to create spider element; check your installation". The error message is sufficiently cryptic that I can't figure out what a spider element is, why I would want one to be created, or what about my installation it is that I should check. Has anyone else had success with this? -- John Kodis. From whb at ceimaine.org Mon Oct 27 18:09:10 2003 From: whb at ceimaine.org (Will Backman) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 13:09:10 -0500 Subject: Updating test 3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1067278149.2176.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> See if you have a bunch of extra headers in /var/spool/up2date. If so, delete them, up2date up2date first, then try again. Older up2date downloaded headers for all arch. On Mon, 2003-10-27 at 12:32, Harry Putnam wrote: > I know this has been covered rather extensively but it seems I've lost > track of the last best way to do an up2date no test3. > > I've included the line in /etc/sysconfig/rhn/sources > > yum rawhide http://ftp.redhat.com/pub/redhat/linux/rawhide/ > > Running up2date -u shows a huge list of things to update, get to the > dependancy resolving part and seems eventuall to hang completely. > It ran over 2hrs and had resouces pegged at 96% at the end of that > time, before I sig KILL'ed it. > > On the other hand a `yum upgrade' shows the following output: > [root at exp root]# yum upgrade > Gathering header information file(s) from server(s) > Server: Red Hat Linux 0.95 - i386 - Base > Server: Red Hat Linux 0.95 - Updates > Finding updated packages > Downloading needed headers > Finding obsoleted packages > Resolving dependencies > .Dependencies resolved > I will do the following: > [update: compat-db 4.0.14-2.i386] > I will install/upgrade these to satisfy the dependencies: > [deps: compat-libstdc++ 7.3-2.96.118.i386] > Is this ok [y/N]: y > Getting compat-libstdc++-7.3-2.96.118.i386.rpm > Getting compat-db-4.0.14-2.i386.rpm > Calculating available disk space - this could take a bit > compat-libstdc++ 100 % done 1/2 > compat-db 100 % done 2/2 > Updated: compat-db 4.0.14-2.i386 > Dep Installed: compat-libstdc++ 7.3-2.96.118.i386 > Transaction(s) Complete > > That is, 2 pkgs upgraded. > > So what is happening here? I'm not supposed to use up2date now? > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From mark at mark.mielke.cc Mon Oct 27 18:09:14 2003 From: mark at mark.mielke.cc (Mark Mielke) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 13:09:14 -0500 Subject: VNC + local X session causes problem with GNOME panel applets Message-ID: <20031027180914.GA26135@mark.mielke.cc> Can anybody else reproduce this? If I create a VNC session that is running GNOME, and then login to a local X session, the GNOME panel applets all (or most) refuse to come up in the local X session (and vice versa, if started in reverse). This is a common scenario for me: Have a permanent Xvnc session running to access my work machine from home. When at work, login locally. I don't want/need to share the same desktop session. I only need for both sessions to operate independently, and not collide with other for resources (CORBA problems?). Any suggestions? I've almost gone so far as to create a second user with a different HOME directory, just to start the VNC session from... (ugly, and impractical for numerous reasons...) mark -- mark at mielke.cc/markm at ncf.ca/markm at nortelnetworks.com __________________________ . . _ ._ . . .__ . . ._. .__ . . . .__ | Neighbourhood Coder |\/| |_| |_| |/ |_ |\/| | |_ | |/ |_ | | | | | | \ | \ |__ . | | .|. |__ |__ | \ |__ | Ottawa, Ontario, Canada One ring to rule them all, one ring to find them, one ring to bring them all and in the darkness bind them... http://mark.mielke.cc/ From Epps.Aaron at mayo.edu Mon Oct 27 18:15:34 2003 From: Epps.Aaron at mayo.edu (Epps, Aaron M.) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 12:15:34 -0600 Subject: Network Interface Problem Message-ID: No. -----Original Message----- From: Maxwell Kanat-Alexander [mailto:maxka at myrealbox.com] Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 10:45 AM To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com Subject: Re: Network Interface Problem On Mon, 2003-10-27 at 07:37, Epps, Aaron M. wrote: > I have a server that had it's UPS battery go bad over the weekend > and lost power. When I bring it up this morning, it can bring up the > network interface. Have you upgraded the O/S in any way since the last time the computer booted? -M From jjramsey_6x9eq42 at yahoo.com Mon Oct 27 18:38:59 2003 From: jjramsey_6x9eq42 at yahoo.com (James J. Ramsey) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 10:38:59 -0800 (PST) Subject: Trying to get the Graphire to work In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20031027183859.2691.qmail@web10705.mail.yahoo.com> --- "ne..." wrote: > On Oct 27, 2003 at 08:58, James J. Ramsey in a > soothing rage wrote: > > [...] > >(When I first tried out the tablet with Fedora, > >everything was from the stock test3 CDs. The RHN > >applet had fooled me into thinking there were no > >updates. My bad. I'm updating now; at this moment, > >up2date is *still* resolving the dependencies of > the > >13454 RPM headers that have been downloaded.) > Aaargh, you should have updated up2date before > updating > the system. Now you are pulling headers for all the > arches in the repos. Yeah, after browsing the list I figured that out. Now things are downloading OK. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/ From elwoo at videotron.ca Mon Oct 27 18:23:33 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 13:23:33 -0500 Subject: RHN-applet disappears between logins In-Reply-To: <1067258642.11893.1.camel@cash.navtek> References: <1067258642.11893.1.camel@cash.navtek> Message-ID: <200310271323.33687.elwoo@videotron.ca> On October 27, 2003 07:44 am, Johnny Ljunggren , > wrote: > What can be done about that? Is on the KDE desktop? I notice it happens whenever I logout and back into KDE, but not in Gnome. Elton ;-) -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From johnny at navtek.no Mon Oct 27 18:44:35 2003 From: johnny at navtek.no (Johnny Ljunggren) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 19:44:35 +0100 (CET) Subject: OpenOffice.org-menu entries missing (FCt3) In-Reply-To: <1067265169.8842.71.camel@earth.xades.com> References: <1067245258.19727.9.camel@cash.navtek> <1067245721.1498.9.camel@isengard> <1067247309.19727.23.camel@cash.navtek> <1067265169.8842.71.camel@earth.xades.com> Message-ID: <32934.217.118.35.185.1067280275.squirrel@www.navtek.no> nosp sa: > On Mon, 2003-10-27 at 09:35, Johnny Ljunggren wrote: >> Anybody know the correct lines to put in sources.list to >> get apt install updates from rawhide? > > http://www.xades.com/proj/fedora_repos.html Hmmm, I had all these included but the rawhide repo didn't seem to work. Works now though.... -- Johnny Ljunggren, Priv: B?refjellvn 15, 3160 STOKKE Tlf: 918 50 411 From elwoo at videotron.ca Mon Oct 27 18:41:29 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 13:41:29 -0500 Subject: Somewhat OT XFree86 question (maybe M. A. Harris will speak up) In-Reply-To: <20031027142127.17022.qmail@web10009.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20031027142127.17022.qmail@web10009.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200310271341.29442.elwoo@videotron.ca> On October 27, 2003 09:21 am, Ryan G. , <"Ryan G." > wrote: > Although many people think > things like transparency and zoom effects are useless (see numerous > slashdot threads) I find them to be quite useful and productivity > enhancing. ... and a way of attracting the Windows (TM) users to linux! Elton ;) -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From mharris at redhat.com Mon Oct 27 18:48:30 2003 From: mharris at redhat.com (Mike A. Harris) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 13:48:30 -0500 (EST) Subject: Somewhat OT XFree86 question (maybe M. A. Harris will speak up) In-Reply-To: <20031027142127.17022.qmail@web10009.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20031027142127.17022.qmail@web10009.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 27 Oct 2003, Ryan G. wrote: >slashdot threads) I find them to be quite useful and productivity >enhancing. > >My questions are these; > >1-is/will true transparency implimented in gtk/xfree That depends on wether or not someone implements that feature in XFree86 or not. You would have to ask the XFree86.org core team wether or not they plan on implementing such a feature. GTK doesn't really enter into it per se. Not until the X server has the necessary support however. This question is asked almost daily by people on the XFree86 mailing lists, so you'll probably be ignored if you ask there. Solution: Read XFree86 mailing list archives. Search for the words "translucent" "translucency" "transparent" and "transparency" (because the majority of human beings don't know the difference between the words transparent and translucent) >2-will redhat support any competing window systems (or provide them as >options) To quote Donald Rumsfeld - "Sorry, but you're asking me to speculate on a hypothetical." ;o) The slightly more detailed answer is - if and when a _viable_ competing windowing system is created by the open source community, which provides full software compatibility with what we have now becomes available, it will be evaluated like any other software and technology as a potential candidate for future OS releases. Without the existance of such a viable candidate however, it's not possible to provide a better response. >3-does anyone know if keith packard and the suse crew are still working >on xrender are there competing options out there Keith hasn't worked at SuSE for about 2 years now. ;o) He works for Hewlett Packard, and he maintains Xrender, Xft, fontconfig, Xcursor, Xrandr, kdrive (Keith's experimental X server, often refered to as "TinyX" which is part of the XFree86 sources, but is officially maintained by Keith outside of XFree86), and numerous other technologies. Keith's work is mostly hosted at freedesktop.org currently. You may be interested in surfing through the freedesktop.org website, it contains a lot of stuff that might be interesting to you in this regard. Keith just wrote 3 or 4 new experimental X extensions in the last week, which will lead to interesting technological advancements in X11 at some point in the future. Before anyone asks "will this be in XFree86 4.4.0?" the answer is "no". This work is in the very early stages of development and will probably be a long time until it is completely designed, implemented, and put into something highly useable by the masses of X11 using people out there. Nonetheless, I wanted to mention it, so that you know Keith is busy as usual, making X11 not suck. ;o) >4-what's the general status of xfree and what's the policy for >including upstream versions of x with fedora. I'm not exactly sure what you're asking here, in order to be able to effectively answer the question, but I'll try. XFree86 4.3.0 in Fedora Core, is highly stabilized compared to the official 4.3.0 release. It includes a large number of bug fixes, some backported drivers, and various performance optimizations. This will be released both in Fedora Core 1, and the majority of these enhancements released as erratum for Red Hat Linux 9 soon too. Red Hat Linux 8.0 and earlier OS releases wont see anything but major security updates only for XFree86 between now and their end of life. Once Fedora Core 1 ships, I will be continuing to maintain 4.3.0 updates via rawhide for a while, and those updates will continue to be recompileable and useable on Red Hat Linux 8.0, 9, Fedora Core 1, and Red Hat Enterprise Linux 3 more or less indefinitely. Once Fedora Core rawhide switches to XFree86 4.4.0 or whatever the next release becomes, 4.3.0 will be maintained still for RHEL 3, plus RHL 9 updates into the future for a very long time, however over time that will shift to just security and critical fixes-only mode. At some point not long from now, rawhide will switch from 4.3.0 to XFree86 developmental CVS head snapshots, versioned as 4.3.99.x as they're numbered upstream currently. It will take a week or two for initial builds to be rawhide-ready, and they'll likely be extremely experimental and not intended for most people to use. Once I've got the packaging stabilized for 4.3.99.x, I will be dramatically ripping things apart in the bloodiest manner possible, and splitting the fonts and documentation out of XFree86's src.rpm to make them separately buildable noarch packages to conserve disk space, built time, buildsystem usage, to avoid people from having to redownload all the unchanged fonts and docs every time an X update is available, and just for general sanity. The Xft, Xrender, and various other libraries and tidbits will be split out of XFree86 src.rpm also, as a lot of them are actually maintained upstream outside of XFree86, and just included in XFree86 for convenience. This will allow me to update these components more easily and provide erratum releases to people for those components more easily as well. There are various other major packaging changes that will be occuring, and rawhide XFree86 and related stuff will likely be in a highly experimental state of break-your-system for a while, although of course I always try to limit breakage to be as minimal as possible, but you can't always guess all of the random things that could break when making changes, until someone reports them to you and you have the time to fix them and push new updates out to rawhide again. Just rememeber - rawhide is highly experimental and guaranteed to break horrendously from time to time across all packages in the distribution. >what's the policy for including upstream versions of x with >fedora. Not sure what you mean, but if you mean upgrading XFree86 to a major new XFree86 release within a single Fedora Core release, it depends greatly on a number of factors. I was able to release 4.1.0 as an update for RHL 7.1 for example, which shipped with 4.0.3, mainly because we had a lot of time to adequately test it, and there were no major changes that were potentially distribution risky in that release. Kindof got lucky there. 4.2.x however did not afford us the same luck. 4.3.0 in theory could be released as erratum for Red Hat Linux 8.0 I believe without causing a lot of headache, but I haven't gotten enough feedback in the wild to know for sure, and since 8.0 is near death now, it isn't worth the risk of possible regression, so 8.0 will likely die with 4.2.1-something. Fedora Core permits us a bit more freedom to update things, but stability and reliability is still important, and I don't plan on updating XFree86 releases for a current OS release just because a new release is out. I'll apply the same logic as I have in the past towards such updates - it's simple risk assessment. The new release has to be released in a new OS release first, and then a month or two afterward, I can judge the stability and reliability, and other compatibility related issues based on the bug reports that are received in bugzilla, problems I see in mailing lists, personal email and IRC. But in general, most OS releases will go end-of-line with the version of XFree86 they originally shipped with as a good hard rule. Only time can tell for sure however, and RHL 7.1 shows that version updates are sometimes feasible too. So, I'm not sure if I've answered your questions or not, but most likely this information is interesting or useful to you and others nonetheless. Plus, I couldn't turn down the opportunity to show people that I can still write manuscript length email messages! ;o) Take care, TTYL -- Mike A. Harris ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris OS Systems Engineer - XFree86 maintainer - Red Hat From mharris at redhat.com Mon Oct 27 18:58:35 2003 From: mharris at redhat.com (Mike A. Harris) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 13:58:35 -0500 (EST) Subject: Somewhat OT XFree86 question (maybe M. A. Harris will speak up) In-Reply-To: <200310271504.h9RF4i924615@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <200310271504.h9RF4i924615@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 27 Oct 2003, Alan Cox wrote: >> 3-does anyone know if keith packard and the suse crew are still working >> on xrender are there competing options out there > >Keith is working on cool stuff still yes. Whether XFree will pick it >up I don't know but I hope so. Someone has already packaged some >versions of Keiths kdrive X server for x86 for low end systems, where it >is a definite win. This is more for everyone else, rather than it is a reply to Alan... Just for those that don't already know.... My XFree86 src.rpm has the option to build Keith's kdrive servers also, but it is disabled by default. If the flag with_kdrive is set to 1 in the XFree86.spec and the package rebuilt, kdrive will be built into XFree86-kdrive package, and it includes all of the kdrive X servers. These are mainly useful for low end systems and portable devices, PDAs, etc. The main reasons that kdrive is disabled in my src.rpm at build time currently, is: 1) It is x86-only and lots of the servers aren't completely portable without an unknown amount of work. 2) We don't have the manpower to support them, and I didn't want to ship them and then be unable to provide the resources to fix bugs that got reported, having to redirect people upstream with their bug reports. Also, I didn't want other parts of the distribution using or relying on kdrive's existance as I added it mainly for my own experimentation, and if we grew any reliance on it, I'd have to split my existing time even thinner than it is now, to support more drivers. Now that Fedora Core is open to the community however, if there is enough volunteer interest, I am not opposed to enabling kdrive in my Fedora builds, as long as others are willing to contribute to maintaining them as well. At least they're debuggable with stock gdb. ;o) Keith's kdrive is now maintained on freedesktop.org outside of the XFree86 master repository. I'll be making rpm packages of all of Keith's stuff during Fedora Core 2 development, and possibly including it in the distribution, or in Fedora Extras or Alternatives, etc. Hope this is useful info also.. TTYL -- Mike A. Harris ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris OS Systems Engineer - XFree86 maintainer - Red Hat From elwoo at videotron.ca Mon Oct 27 18:52:46 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 13:52:46 -0500 Subject: rhgb In-Reply-To: <200310271106.23972.czar@czarc.net> References: <200310271106.23972.czar@czarc.net> Message-ID: <200310271352.46072.elwoo@videotron.ca> On October 27, 2003 11:06 am, Gene C. , <"Gene C." > wrote: > While the graphic boot is "nice", how can we tell that everything started > properly? ... maybe ...check the boot logs? <*shrug*> Elton ;-) -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From elwoo at videotron.ca Mon Oct 27 19:05:05 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 14:05:05 -0500 Subject: unable to print from konqueror Message-ID: <200310271405.05659.elwoo@videotron.ca> Clicking on a link in kmail brings up konqueror. However, when I select "print" (CUPS is the default) the dialog shows "printint page(s) nn... etc." THEN I get this error message: A print error occured. Error message received from system: Error while reading filter description for true. Empty command line received. Has anyone else observed this? This is while running kmail in Gnome, and then invoking konqueror as the browser... Elton. -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From whooperhsd3 at earthlink.net Mon Oct 27 19:21:39 2003 From: whooperhsd3 at earthlink.net (William Hooper) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 14:21:39 -0500 (EST) Subject: VNC + local X session causes problem with GNOME panel applets In-Reply-To: <20031027180914.GA26135@mark.mielke.cc> References: <20031027180914.GA26135@mark.mielke.cc> Message-ID: <2163.12.29.16.103.1067282499.squirrel@12.29.16.103> Mark Mielke said: > Can anybody else reproduce this? > > If I create a VNC session that is running GNOME, and then login to a local > X session, the GNOME panel applets all (or most) refuse to come up in the > local X session (and vice versa, if started in reverse). > > This is a common scenario for me: Have a permanent Xvnc session > running to access my work machine from home. When at work, login > locally. I don't want/need to share the same desktop session. I only > need for both sessions to operate independently, and not collide with > other for resources (CORBA problems?). > > Any suggestions? When the issue is happening in the VNC session, are any errors logged in the VNC log? I know Gnome used to have issues running two sessions as one user (to the point of not starting, IIRC). I'm not sure of the current state of affairs. > I've almost gone so far as to create a second user with a different HOME > directory, just to start the VNC session from... (ugly, and impractical > for > numerous reasons...) This is probably the best course of action if you aren't willing to share the :0 display. -- William Hooper From elwoo at videotron.ca Mon Oct 27 19:19:32 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 14:19:32 -0500 Subject: Somewhat OT XFree86 question (maybe M. A. Harris will speak up) In-Reply-To: References: <20031027142127.17022.qmail@web10009.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200310271419.32605.elwoo@videotron.ca> On October 27, 2003 01:48 pm, Mike A. Harris , <"Mike A. Harris" > wrote: > Plus, I couldn't turn down the opportunity to show people that I > can still write manuscript length email messages! ;o) Mike: could you perhaps publish this at Reader's Digest, or provide us with a pr?cis? [ducking swiftly] (... couldn't resist!) Elton ;)) -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From ryanpg at yahoo.com Mon Oct 27 19:26:49 2003 From: ryanpg at yahoo.com (Ryan G.) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 11:26:49 -0800 (PST) Subject: nautilus hang In-Reply-To: <20031027170013.18582.65744.Mailman@listman.back-rdu.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20031027192649.3737.qmail@web10005.mail.yahoo.com> Hey, Here's a fun way to turn your laptop cpu fan on -> Nautilus shows contents of most directories just fine, however when I try to view the contents of /usr nautilus just sits there no screen redraw with the nautilus-throbber spinning. This goes on for several minutes. %CPU %MEM TIME CPU COMMAND 75.9 76.1 3:44 0 nautilus If I destroy the non-responsive window, nautilus dies and then restarts. Seems like this is an issue when viewing directories with lots of folders but not such a issue with directories that have lots of files (viewing /dev causes no problems). Is it a bug? Or is it me... (or both)? -ry p.s. sorry for all the posts with the stupid Subject lines... ===== --r-- From barryn at pobox.com Mon Oct 27 19:27:29 2003 From: barryn at pobox.com (Barry K. Nathan) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 11:27:29 -0800 Subject: Somewhat OT XFree86 question (maybe M. A. Harris will speak up) In-Reply-To: References: <20031027142127.17022.qmail@web10009.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20031027192729.GJ10427@ip68-4-255-84.oc.oc.cox.net> On Mon, Oct 27, 2003 at 01:48:30PM -0500, Mike A. Harris wrote: > XFree86 4.3.0 in Fedora Core, is highly stabilized compared to > the official 4.3.0 release. It includes a large number of bug > fixes, some backported drivers, and various performance > optimizations. This will be released both in Fedora Core 1, and > the majority of these enhancements released as erratum for Red > Hat Linux 9 soon too. Red Hat Linux 8.0 and earlier OS releases > wont see anything but major security updates only for XFree86 > between now and their end of life. I noticed some security fixes mentioned in the changelog for the recent XFree86 4.3.0 packages. Are there any errata for RHEL 2.1, Red Hat 7.x, or 8.0 in the pipeline? Or are the fixes not considered major enough? -Barry K. Nathan From michael at epm2.com Mon Oct 27 19:29:04 2003 From: michael at epm2.com (Michael R Hatzel Jr) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 14:29:04 -0500 Subject: up2date woes after updating this morning. In-Reply-To: <20031027191731.28872.30217.Mailman@listman.back-rdu.redhat.com> References: <20031027191731.28872.30217.Mailman@listman.back-rdu.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1067282944.3456.2.camel@phoenix.epm2.com> After pulling down the rawhide updates this morning (first update since last Weds), I am getting the following error when attempting to re-run up2date. Fetching package list for channel: rawhide... Fetching http://ftp.redhat.com/pub/redhat/linux/rawhide//headers/header.info... ######################################## Fetching Obsoletes list for channel: rawhide... Fetching obsoletes list for http://ftp.redhat.com/pub/redhat/linux/rawhide/... Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/sbin/up2date", line 1187, in ? sys.exit(main() or 0) File "/usr/sbin/up2date", line 765, in main fullUpdate, dryRun=options.dry_run)) File "/usr/sbin/up2date", line 1050, in batchRun batch.run() File "up2dateBatch.py", line 58, in run File "up2dateBatch.py", line 96, in __findPackagesToUpdate File "packageList.py", line 123, in run File "rhnPackageInfo.py", line 404, in obsoletesList File "rpcServer.py", line 110, in doCall File "repoDirector.py", line 27, in getObsoletes File "rpmSource.py", line 249, in getObsoletes File "/usr/share/rhn/up2date_client/repoBackends/yumRepo.py", line 293, in getObsoletes pkgList = self.pkglists[channel['label']] KeyError: rawhide When I run in --nox mode, up2date exits after this message, and when I run the X version of up2date from the command line, it hangs when the progress dialogue shows "Fetching Obsoletes List". Any help would be appreciated. Mike Hatzel From marguz at ameritech.net Mon Oct 27 19:32:43 2003 From: marguz at ameritech.net (Mark Guzzo) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 13:32:43 -0600 Subject: rhythmbox: failed to create spider element In-Reply-To: <20031027180239.GB460@tux.gsfc.nasa.gov> References: <20031027180239.GB460@tux.gsfc.nasa.gov> Message-ID: <1067283162.18948.2.camel@LORDLINUX.global.shsystem.org> On Mon, 2003-10-27 at 12:02, John Kodis wrote: > I've tried to listen to an internet radiostation using rhythmbox, but > all that I can get to happen is for an error dialog saying "Failed to > create spider element; check your installation". I've had the exact same question, but I still have no idea what/how to fix it. From cantisan at bol.com.br Mon Oct 27 19:39:52 2003 From: cantisan at bol.com.br (cantisan) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 17:39:52 -0200 Subject: HD 40 GB but 31 GB instead Message-ID: Matthias, Before the command: /dev/hdd1 31G 4.4G 25G 15% /des After: #tune2fs -m 0 /dev/hdd1 tune2fs 1.26 (3-Feb-2002) Setting reserved blocks percentage to 0 (0 blocks) [root at GPSTEC5 root]# df -h Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on /dev/hdd1 31G 4.4G 26G 15% /des Need I to format again ? Regards, GC __________________________________________________________________________ Acabe com aquelas janelinhas que pulam na sua tela. AntiPop-up UOL - ? gr?tis! http://antipopup.uol.com.br/ From davej at redhat.com Mon Oct 27 19:40:02 2003 From: davej at redhat.com (Dave Jones) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 19:40:02 +0000 Subject: up2date woes after updating this morning. In-Reply-To: <1067282944.3456.2.camel@phoenix.epm2.com> References: <20031027191731.28872.30217.Mailman@listman.back-rdu.redhat.com> <1067282944.3456.2.camel@phoenix.epm2.com> Message-ID: <20031027194002.GA13487@redhat.com> On Mon, Oct 27, 2003 at 02:29:04PM -0500, Michael R Hatzel Jr wrote: > When I run in --nox mode, up2date exits after this message, and when I > run the X version of up2date from the command line, it hangs when the > progress dialogue shows "Fetching Obsoletes List". I saw the same thing earlier. Blowing away /var/spool/up2date seemed to fix it for me. Dave -- Dave Jones http://www.codemonkey.org.uk From elwoo at videotron.ca Mon Oct 27 19:39:53 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 14:39:53 -0500 Subject: nautilus hang In-Reply-To: <20031027192649.3737.qmail@web10005.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20031027192649.3737.qmail@web10005.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200310271439.53864.elwoo@videotron.ca> On October 27, 2003 02:26 pm, Ryan G. , <"Ryan G." > wrote: > Hey, > > Here's a fun way to turn your laptop cpu fan on -> > > Nautilus shows contents of most directories just fine, however when I > try to view the contents of /usr nautilus just sits there no screen > redraw with the nautilus-throbber spinning. This goes on for several > minutes. > > %CPU %MEM TIME CPU COMMAND > 75.9 76.1 3:44 0 nautilus > > If I destroy the non-responsive window, nautilus dies and then > restarts. Seems like this is an issue when viewing directories with > lots of folders but not such a issue with directories that have lots of > files (viewing /dev causes no problems). > > Is it a bug? See: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=107652 Kindly add comments, and observations ... Elton ;-) -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From elwoo at videotron.ca Mon Oct 27 19:42:55 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 14:42:55 -0500 Subject: bug # 108121 (unable to print from konqueror) Message-ID: <200310271442.55271.elwoo@videotron.ca> LINK:https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=108121 SUMMARY:unable to print a web page from konqueror VERSION:kdebase-3.1.4-4 Kindly add comments and observations as appropriate. Thanks. Elton ;-) -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From marguz at ameritech.net Mon Oct 27 19:48:43 2003 From: marguz at ameritech.net (Mark Guzzo) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 13:48:43 -0600 Subject: contrib galeon 1.3.10 In-Reply-To: <1067271071.4808.39.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> References: <1067262007.1296.2.camel@nyarlathotep.fedora> <1067263766.15177.65.camel@gruyere> <1067271071.4808.39.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1067284122.18948.4.camel@LORDLINUX.global.shsystem.org> > > For the sake of completeness, I also packages it and put it up at the > usual location/yum repo (signed with my GPG key). Which is where? :-( From glass-art at comcast.net Mon Oct 27 19:54:18 2003 From: glass-art at comcast.net (Clifford Snow) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 11:54:18 -0800 Subject: nautilus hang In-Reply-To: <20031027192649.3737.qmail@web10005.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20031027192649.3737.qmail@web10005.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1067284458.21251.5.camel@blue.comcast.net> On Mon, 2003-10-27 at 11:26, Ryan G. wrote: > Nautilus shows contents of most directories just fine, however when I > try to view the contents of /usr nautilus just sits there no screen > redraw with the nautilus-throbber spinning. This goes on for several > minutes. > > %CPU %MEM TIME CPU COMMAND > 75.9 76.1 3:44 0 nautilus > > If I destroy the non-responsive window, nautilus dies and then > restarts. Seems like this is an issue when viewing directories with > lots of folders but not such a issue with directories that have lots of > files (viewing /dev causes no problems). > > Is it a bug? Or is it me... (or both)? Not on a laptop, but I can display /usr just fine. Takes less than a second to display folders. Doesn't make any difference if I look at directories with lots of folders or even lots of folders and files. Just may take long to display. You didn't say what test you are running and/or if your system is updated. I have nautilus 2.4.0-5 -- Clifford Snow glass-art at comcast.net -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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It looks like it doesn't that when you start a new > instance of up2date when there's another one running in the background (say > you kill the gui but the python process doesn't really die and then, you > start a second one). > > To solve this, I checked there was no up2date process running. I cleared > the /var/spool/up2date directory (I had zillions of header files) and I > restarted up2date. That did it. I was having the same problem. Fresh ftp install of test3 and trying to up2date. Hangs when trying to resolve dependencies. One attempt was left running overnight. In the morning the message was 'unknown I/O error', or something to that effect (sorry, didn't write it down). Following this thread I looked at my /var/spool/up2date dir and it was full of headers of various archs. Really full. As in /var partition had no free space. In any case, upgraded up2date and rm -f *.hdr the directory. First up2date was slow (acceptable as it was a huge update) yet successful. -- John MacLean From nphilipp at redhat.com Mon Oct 27 20:03:33 2003 From: nphilipp at redhat.com (Nils Philippsen) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 21:03:33 +0100 Subject: contrib galeon 1.3.10 In-Reply-To: <1067284122.18948.4.camel@LORDLINUX.global.shsystem.org> References: <1067262007.1296.2.camel@nyarlathotep.fedora> <1067263766.15177.65.camel@gruyere> <1067271071.4808.39.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> <1067284122.18948.4.camel@LORDLINUX.global.shsystem.org> Message-ID: <1067285013.5963.1.camel@wombat.tiptoe.de> On Mon, 2003-10-27 at 20:48, Mark Guzzo wrote: > > > > For the sake of completeness, I also packages it and put it up at the > > usual location/yum repo (signed with my GPG key). > > Which is where? :-( http://lisas.de/~nils/yum/fedora/0.95/i386/extras/ I thought I already had gone on everybody's nerves with plugging this, but alas I was wrong ;-). 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Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From matthias at rpmforge.net Mon Oct 27 20:07:22 2003 From: matthias at rpmforge.net (Matthias Saou) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 21:07:22 +0100 Subject: HD 40 GB but 31 GB instead In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20031027210722.4183fa1b.matthias@rpmforge.net> cantisan wrote : > Before the command: > > /dev/hdd1 31G 4.4G 25G 15% /des > > After: > > #tune2fs -m 0 /dev/hdd1 > tune2fs 1.26 (3-Feb-2002) > Setting reserved blocks percentage to 0 (0 blocks) > [root at GPSTEC5 root]# df -h > Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on > /dev/hdd1 31G 4.4G 26G 15% /des > > > Need I to format again ? I don't think so. Unless you haven't used the entire disk when creating the partition with fdisk, what you've got is all you can have. Here's for instance disks from various vendors sold as 80GB, 120GB and 60GB respectively... # df -h Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on [...] rave:/data 69G 63G 6.2G 92% /mnt/rave neurone:/120 111G 109G 1.3G 99% /mnt/120 neurone:/data 56G 55G 230M 100% /mnt/neurone As I said above, you can check that you've used up all the disk's space when creating the partition. For instance, here the partition starts at 1 and the two "784" values match, so I'm sure there isn't any unused space left. # fdisk -l /dev/hdc Disk /dev/hdc: 255 heads, 63 sectors, 784 cylinders Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 bytes Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System /dev/hdc1 * 1 784 6297448+ 83 Linux Matthias -- Clean custom Red Hat Linux rpm packages : http://freshrpms.net/ Fedora Core release 0.95 (Severn) - Linux kernel 2.4.22-20.1.2024.2.36.nptl Load : 0.24 0.19 0.23 From mark at mark.mielke.cc Mon Oct 27 20:08:32 2003 From: mark at mark.mielke.cc (Mark Mielke) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 15:08:32 -0500 Subject: VNC + local X session causes problem with GNOME panel applets In-Reply-To: <2163.12.29.16.103.1067282499.squirrel@12.29.16.103> References: <20031027180914.GA26135@mark.mielke.cc> <2163.12.29.16.103.1067282499.squirrel@12.29.16.103> Message-ID: <20031027200832.GA26578@mark.mielke.cc> On Mon, Oct 27, 2003 at 02:21:39PM -0500, William Hooper wrote: > Mark Mielke said: > > This is a common scenario for me: Have a permanent Xvnc session > > running to access my work machine from home. When at work, login > > locally. I don't want/need to share the same desktop session. I only > > need for both sessions to operate independently, and not collide with > > other for resources (CORBA problems?). > When the issue is happening in the VNC session, are any errors logged in > the VNC log? I know Gnome used to have issues running two sessions as one > user (to the point of not starting, IIRC). I'm not sure of the current > state of affairs. The errors are GNOME pop-up dialogs that give me the option of removing the applet, or letting it continue. I'm positive it is a GNOME thing, so perhaps I shouldn't have mentioned VNC in the first place... It just seems to me that many people would find themselves in this situation (many who use VNC, that is...). > > I've almost gone so far as to create a second user with a different HOME > > directory, just to start the VNC session from... (ugly, and impractical > > for > > numerous reasons...) > This is probably the best course of action if you aren't willing to share > the :0 display. It's awful... :-( mark -- mark at mielke.cc/markm at ncf.ca/markm at nortelnetworks.com __________________________ . . _ ._ . . .__ . . ._. .__ . . . .__ | Neighbourhood Coder |\/| |_| |_| |/ |_ |\/| | |_ | |/ |_ | | | | | | \ | \ |__ . | | .|. |__ |__ | \ |__ | Ottawa, Ontario, Canada One ring to rule them all, one ring to find them, one ring to bring them all and in the darkness bind them... http://mark.mielke.cc/ From lowen at pari.edu Mon Oct 27 20:11:20 2003 From: lowen at pari.edu (Lamar Owen) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 15:11:20 -0500 Subject: yum tutorial and setting up ATAPI laptop drive without SCSI emulation In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200310271511.20408.lowen@pari.edu> On Monday 27 October 2003 10:59 am, Robert P. J. Day wrote: > second, i'm running FC3 (well, FC2 with absolutely everything updated > to FC3) on my inspiron 8100, and i'd like to set it up to access the > ATAPI CD-RW drive (/dev/hdb) without the historical SCSI emulation. > # cdrecord dev=/dev/hdb ... What does a 'cdrecord dev=ATAPI -scanbus' yield for the CD-ROM device number? Suppose it yields device 0,0,0. You then burn to it with 'cdrecord dev=ATAPI:0,0,0 .......' This does NOT work if ide-scsi emulation is loaded. -- Lamar Owen Director of Information Technology Pisgah Astronomical Research Institute 1 PARI Drive Rosman, NC 28772 (828)862-5554 www.pari.edu From smearp at mac.com Mon Oct 27 20:14:58 2003 From: smearp at mac.com (Sean Earp) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 12:14:58 -0800 Subject: HD 40 GB but 31 GB instead In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3CA9A6F3-08BA-11D8-AEED-000393C34F68@mac.com> On Oct 27, 2003, at 11:39 AM, cantisan wrote: > > Matthias, > > Before the command: > > /dev/hdd1 31G 4.4G 25G 15% /des > > After: > > #tune2fs -m 0 /dev/hdd1 > tune2fs 1.26 (3-Feb-2002) > Setting reserved blocks percentage to 0 (0 blocks) > [root at GPSTEC5 root]# df -h > Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on > /dev/hdd1 31G 4.4G 26G 15% /des > > > Need I to format again ? > > Regards, > GC Out of curiosity, what motherboard are you using? This is sounding more like a BIOS limitation than a formatting issue... Just curious, -Sean :) From elwoo at videotron.ca Mon Oct 27 20:15:53 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 15:15:53 -0500 Subject: nautilus hang In-Reply-To: <1067284458.21251.5.camel@blue.comcast.net> References: <20031027192649.3737.qmail@web10005.mail.yahoo.com> <1067284458.21251.5.camel@blue.comcast.net> Message-ID: <200310271515.53764.elwoo@videotron.ca> On October 27, 2003 02:54 pm, Clifford Snow , > wrote: > You didn't say what test you are running and/or if your system is > updated. > I have nautilus 2.4.0-5 The misbehavior is consistent with nautilus 2.4.0-5. Crashes are regular and consistent. Kindly refer to: LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=107652 SUMMARY: nautilus segfaults when viewing images N.B. Though my initial experience was while viewing images the bug is also present and reproducible when loading other internal viewers (ggv, gnumeric, etc.)] Elton ;-) -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From barlog_7 at yahoo.com Mon Oct 27 20:19:43 2003 From: barlog_7 at yahoo.com (Malcom Uel) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 12:19:43 -0800 (PST) Subject: samba trouble Message-ID: <20031027201943.38787.qmail@web20712.mail.yahoo.com> Am Mo, den 27.10.2003 schrieb Malcom Uel um 15:06: > But when > i try to go to network serers I get a "Can't display > location":Couldn't display "smb:///", because nautilus > cannot contact the SMB master browser. Check that > there is a SMB sever running on your network. >>I think this has been discussed before: Even if you >>choose to run no >>firewall during the installation, firewall is turned >>on. Turn it off or >>change your eth0 to be a "secure Device" with >>redhat-config-securitylevel. >>Christoph Thanks alot Christoph. I really appreciated it. It's funny I actually looked in the security-level-config program. I had setup a firewall when i installed but checked all that stuff. I saw it was unchecked and didn't think anything of it. Has that been reported as a bug, that the options you may choose for your sercurity aren't used, even if you did turn on the firewall? __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/ From barlog_7 at yahoo.com Mon Oct 27 20:27:01 2003 From: barlog_7 at yahoo.com (Malcom Uel) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 12:27:01 -0800 (PST) Subject: flashplayer Message-ID: <20031027202701.7311.qmail@web20703.mail.yahoo.com> Hey has anyone had a problem setting up flash support in mozilla? small item I know, but I would like to utilize it. 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Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/ From xose at wanadoo.es Mon Oct 27 20:32:33 2003 From: xose at wanadoo.es (Xose Vazquez Perez) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 21:32:33 +0100 Subject: HD 40 GB but 31 GB instead References: Message-ID: <3F9D80E1.2020905@wanadoo.es> cantisan wrote: > #tune2fs -m 0 /dev/hdd1 > tune2fs 1.26 (3-Feb-2002) > Setting reserved blocks percentage to 0 (0 blocks) > [root at GPSTEC5 root]# df -h > Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on > /dev/hdd1 31G 4.4G 26G 15% /des > > > Need I to format again ? what does it show in dmesg about hd..? mine is: on IDE disk hda: 19640880 sectors (10056 MB) w/384KiB Cache, CHS=1222/255/63, UDMA(33) ^^^^^ on SCSI disk SCSI device sda: 72170880 512-byte hdwr sectors (36951 MB) ^^^^^ or get 'sfdisk -s' -- HTML mails are going to trash automagically From paveraware at hotmail.com Mon Oct 27 20:38:10 2003 From: paveraware at hotmail.com (Christensen Tom) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 20:38:10 +0000 Subject: keyboard support Message-ID: Just installed test3, I have a micron transport gx laptop, and after the reboot it doesn't recognize the keyboard at all. X won't start because of that, and at the text login, there is nothing I can do because the keys don't do anything. The keyboard is good, it works in the BIOS and in redhat 9.. any ideas? I tried installing an external ps2 keyboard and a usb one, same result, 3 different keyboards no worky. does test3 just not recognize my pci bus properly or something? Tom _________________________________________________________________ See when your friends are online with MSN Messenger 6.0. Download it now FREE! http://msnmessenger-download.com From elwoo at videotron.ca Mon Oct 27 20:40:27 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 15:40:27 -0500 Subject: flashplayer In-Reply-To: <20031027202701.7311.qmail@web20703.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20031027202701.7311.qmail@web20703.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200310271540.27159.elwoo@videotron.ca> On October 27, 2003 03:27 pm, Malcom Uel , > wrote: > Hey has anyone had a problem setting up flash support > in mozilla? small item I know, but I would like to > utilize it. No. Are you having problems installing it? Elton ;-) -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From czar at czarc.net Mon Oct 27 20:40:43 2003 From: czar at czarc.net (Gene C.) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 15:40:43 -0500 Subject: rhgb In-Reply-To: <200310271352.46072.elwoo@videotron.ca> References: <200310271106.23972.czar@czarc.net> <200310271352.46072.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <200310271540.43988.czar@czarc.net> On Monday 27 October 2003 13:52, Elton Woo wrote: > On October 27, 2003 11:06 am, Gene C. , <"Gene C." > wrote: > > While the graphic boot is "nice", how can we tell that everything > > started properly? > > ... maybe ...check the boot logs? <*shrug*> Yes, but if I need to do that every time I boot, then why bother hiding the messages?? -- Gene From czar at czarc.net Mon Oct 27 20:42:55 2003 From: czar at czarc.net (Gene C.) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 15:42:55 -0500 Subject: up2date woes after updating this morning. In-Reply-To: <20031027194002.GA13487@redhat.com> References: <20031027191731.28872.30217.Mailman@listman.back-rdu.redhat.com> <1067282944.3456.2.camel@phoenix.epm2.com> <20031027194002.GA13487@redhat.com> Message-ID: <200310271542.55932.czar@czarc.net> On Monday 27 October 2003 14:40, Dave Jones wrote: > On Mon, Oct 27, 2003 at 02:29:04PM -0500, Michael R Hatzel Jr wrote: > > > When I run in --nox mode, up2date exits after this message, and when I > > run the X version of up2date from the command line, it hangs when the > > progress dialogue shows "Fetching Obsoletes List". > > I saw the same thing earlier. Blowing away /var/spool/up2date seemed > to fix it for me. Actually, you only need to do: rm -f /var/spool/up2date/rawhide* Some things changed and the new version of up2date got confused. -- Gene From bkoz at redhat.com Mon Oct 27 16:44:32 2003 From: bkoz at redhat.com (Benjamin Kosnik) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 10:44:32 -0600 Subject: samba trouble In-Reply-To: <1067276764.29218.72.camel@CirithUngol> References: <20031027140657.26377.qmail@web20712.mail.yahoo.com> <1067266939.6118.2.camel@hal9000.lokales.netz> <1067276764.29218.72.camel@CirithUngol> Message-ID: <20031027104432.6d5b8ad3.bkoz@redhat.com> >It would be very beneficial to those who haven't learned iptables to add >samba to redhat-config-security-level. This would make integrating a >fedora box with a windows network much simpler, and could be added as a >clickbox option with the other servers. Hear hear! This would indeed be a great idea. In the meantime, can somebody post the magic iptables bits? -benjamin From Epps.Aaron at mayo.edu Mon Oct 27 20:52:08 2003 From: Epps.Aaron at mayo.edu (Epps, Aaron M.) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 14:52:08 -0600 Subject: samba trouble Message-ID: I agree, I think Samba is one of the most commonly used servers that you need to punch a hole in your firewall for. -----Original Message----- From: Benjamin Kosnik [mailto:bkoz at redhat.com] Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 10:45 AM To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com Cc: fedora at andrewfarris.com Subject: Re: samba trouble >It would be very beneficial to those who haven't learned iptables to >add samba to redhat-config-security-level. This would make integrating >a fedora box with a windows network much simpler, and could be added as >a clickbox option with the other servers. Hear hear! This would indeed be a great idea. In the meantime, can somebody post the magic iptables bits? -benjamin -- fedora-test-list mailing list fedora-test-list at redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From fedora at warmcat.com Mon Oct 27 21:08:16 2003 From: fedora at warmcat.com (Andy Green) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 22:08:16 +0100 Subject: samba trouble In-Reply-To: <20031027104432.6d5b8ad3.bkoz@redhat.com> References: <20031027140657.26377.qmail@web20712.mail.yahoo.com> <1067276764.29218.72.camel@CirithUngol> <20031027104432.6d5b8ad3.bkoz@redhat.com> Message-ID: <200310272108.18038.fedora@warmcat.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Monday 27 October 2003 16:44, Benjamin Kosnik wrote: > In the meantime, can somebody post the magic iptables bits? I added this to my /etc/rc.local...... iptables -I RH-Firewall-1-INPUT -p tcp -s 192.168.0/24 --destination-port 137:139 -j ACCEPT The bit after -s says to only let in people who are on 192.168.0.*, so if somehow people from the internet manage to bypass my firewall they still won't be able to see my shares (until they pervert a local machine, ho hum). Samba really should be on that firewall app, in fact its kind of crap that you can't give it arbitrary ports, didn't you used to be able to? - -Andy -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/nYlAjKeDCxMJCTIRAntZAJ90d0BzKredSAdPkjKOOy8DAiKhkwCdEYtK 5cvSD+XZx4Wszx94UIWBG6A= =WEZt -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From lru at netvox.ru Mon Oct 27 21:09:36 2003 From: lru at netvox.ru (Andrew Rushailo) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 00:09:36 +0300 Subject: The problem with SMP and Hyper-Threading Message-ID: <1067288976.3975.51.camel@lru.voxnet.ru> I have motherboard "ASUS P4S800" and P4 2.4C. When hyper-threading is on, kernel finds two CPU, but only one is used and swap become aggressive (after one day it is about 800 mb). When hyper-threading is off, swap is about 20 - 30 mb. PS. Last kernel which support hyper-threading is 2.4.22-2040. All latest version does not work. From czar at czarc.net Mon Oct 27 21:33:11 2003 From: czar at czarc.net (Gene C.) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 16:33:11 -0500 Subject: samba trouble In-Reply-To: <200310272108.18038.fedora@warmcat.com> References: <20031027140657.26377.qmail@web20712.mail.yahoo.com> <20031027104432.6d5b8ad3.bkoz@redhat.com> <200310272108.18038.fedora@warmcat.com> Message-ID: <200310271633.11652.czar@czarc.net> On Monday 27 October 2003 16:08, Andy Green wrote: > On Monday 27 October 2003 16:44, Benjamin Kosnik wrote: > > In the meantime, can somebody post the magic iptables bits? > > I added this to my /etc/rc.local...... > > iptables -I RH-Firewall-1-INPUT -p tcp -s 192.168.0/24 --destination-port > 137:139 -j ACCEPT > > The bit after -s says to only let in people who are on 192.168.0.*, so if > somehow people from the internet manage to bypass my firewall they still > won't be able to see my shares (until they pervert a local machine, ho > hum). > > Samba really should be on that firewall app, in fact its kind of crap that > you can't give it arbitrary ports, didn't you used to be able to? OK, I can see doing this on an internal system which is running an iptables "personal" firewall. However, making it too easy for someone to do on a true firewall between your system(s) and the "real Internet" is inviting disaster. -- Gene From shugal at gmx.de Mon Oct 27 21:35:01 2003 From: shugal at gmx.de (Martin Stricker) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 22:35:01 +0100 Subject: would someone kindly clarify this paragaph,please (RH business model) References: <200310270023.53972.elwoo@videotron.ca> <200310271218.08389.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <3F9D8F84.3B4D6262@gmx.de> Elton Woo wrote: > I am aware and I would even dare to say that I *understand* the GPL. > ... as *I* understand it (please correct me if I am off-base): > > I am free to download the code, and re-engineer or even reverse > engineer it ... AS LONG AS I provide the original code, my modified > code is OPEN to view by anyone, and that I MAINTAIN *all > accreditation* to the original sources and developers (to wit, the > programmers who developed the original code, and where this is > applicable, accreditation to Red Hat's participation). Right. Specifically, if you change GPLed code, all your code must be GPLed as well. > What I may NOT do is to copy and redistribute the source with parts > of it being CLOSED, and / or stripping any references to the > originators or developers of the code, *OR* claim that the work is > solely MINE. Correct. Even more, closed source software may not even use GPLed software, like libraries - that's why the glibc is under the LGPL and not the GPL. If the glibc would be under the GPL, closed source software for Linux would be nearly impossible, because it wouldn't be allowed to call functions from a GPLed library. Closed source kernel modules are a violation of the GPL - the kernel developers just don't enforce it. > I am also free to CHARGE for the media on which the code is > distrubuted, even to the point of selling in a boxed set, and > charging for printed (*hard-copy*) documentation, _as long as)_ I > do NOT charge for the actual software. As far as I understand the GPL, you may charge for the software. The GPL is about source code, not money. You may even deny the redistribution of your *binaries* (like RHEL does). But anyone who buys your GPLed software has the right to request the complete source code from you, and you must provide it to anyone you have distributed your software to. This source code must of course be under the GPL (that's why the GPL is "contagigous"), so all your customers may change and/or distribute (and sell!) your code. The GPL is about source code, not binaries. > So, going by that, if I download Red Hat Fedora, and burn some > CD's, I am not "stealing", and I can even print a manual, and creat a > shrink-wrapped set for resale, _as long as_ > > 1) I do not claim the code as my own, > 2) Either I strip Red Hat's trademarks from the code, or licence such > marks from Red Hat. AND clearly indicate this has been done. > 3) Charge only for the _physical_ media: CD or DVD disks, printed > manual(s), container. You may redistribute the binaries from Fedora Core because Red Hat does allow so. But you may *not* call it Fedora, Red Hat or other trademarks. The GPL is about source code, not trademarks or names. By the way, Red Hat decided you may not redistrinute the binaries of RHEL, but you could compile the source yourself and distribute those binaries (of course with another name). Red Hat isn't even required to make the source publically available - only the RHEL customers have the right to obtain the RHEL source (but they also have the right to redistribute it). The GPL wasn't written to make cheap software available, but to protect the intellectual property of programmers and reward them: You cannot use GPLed software for the benefit of closed source, and all your changes of GPLed software go back into public and the initial programmer. The GPL does *not* forbid that you make money with GPLed software! At least this is *my* understanding of the GPL. IANAL, so I might be quite wrong... Best regards, Martin Stricker -- Homepage: http://www.martin-stricker.de/ Linux Migration Project: http://www.linux-migration.org/ Red Hat Linux 9 for low memory: http://www.rule-project.org/ Registered Linux user #210635: http://counter.li.org/ From elwoo at videotron.ca Mon Oct 27 16:26:40 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 11:26:40 -0500 Subject: rhgb In-Reply-To: <200310271540.43988.czar@czarc.net> References: <200310271106.23972.czar@czarc.net> <200310271352.46072.elwoo@videotron.ca> <200310271540.43988.czar@czarc.net> Message-ID: <200310271126.40852.elwoo@videotron.ca> On October 27, 2003 03:40 pm, Gene C. , <"Gene C." > wrote: > On Monday 27 October 2003 13:52, Elton Woo wrote: > > On October 27, 2003 11:06 am, Gene C. , <"Gene C." > wrote: > > > While the graphic boot is "nice", how can we tell that everything > > > started properly? > > > > ... maybe ...check the boot logs? <*shrug*> > > Yes, but if I need to do that every time I boot, then why bother hiding the > messages?? Oh. Pardon me, I thought you just wanted that information *once*. FWIW, this has been previousl ydiscussed on the list, so a check in the fedora-list arcihves should bring up something on "HOWTO disable" the graphical boot. HTH, Elton ;-) -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From jkeating at j2solutions.net Mon Oct 27 21:44:42 2003 From: jkeating at j2solutions.net (Jesse Keating) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 13:44:42 -0800 Subject: rhgb In-Reply-To: <200310271106.23972.czar@czarc.net> References: <200310271106.23972.czar@czarc.net> Message-ID: <200310271344.45743.jkeating@j2solutions.net> On Monday 27 October 2003 08:06, Gene C. wrote: > While the graphic boot is "nice", how can we tell that everything > started properly? Uh, click the "more info" arrow? -- Jesse Keating RHCE MCSE (geek.j2solutions.net) Fedora Legacy Team (www.fedora.us/wiki/FedoraLegacy) Mondo DevTeam (www.mondorescue.org) GPG Public Key (geek.j2solutions.net/jkeating.j2solutions.pub) Was I helpful? Let others know: http://svcs.affero.net/rm.php?r=jkeating -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: signature URL: From czar at czarc.net Mon Oct 27 21:50:50 2003 From: czar at czarc.net (Gene C.) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 16:50:50 -0500 Subject: rhgb In-Reply-To: <200310271126.40852.elwoo@videotron.ca> References: <200310271106.23972.czar@czarc.net> <200310271540.43988.czar@czarc.net> <200310271126.40852.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <200310271650.50004.czar@czarc.net> On Monday 27 October 2003 11:26, Elton Woo wrote: > > messages?? > > Oh. Pardon me, I thought you just wanted that information *once*. > FWIW, this has been previousl ydiscussed on the list, so a check in the > fedora-list arcihves should bring up something on "HOWTO disable" the > graphical boot. I think you may have missed my point. I do what to run the graphical boot and don't really want to look at all the messages during "normal" boot-up. However, I also want to be alerted to any problems starting services. It would be adequate if I was alerted to the fact that errors occurred and then I could look at the boot log. For example, lets say that the "normal" time server I point ntp at is down when I boot-up, I would like to be alerted to that fact. The way that rhgb currently seems to work is that I will know unless I spend the time looking through the boot log every time. If I am going to do that, then I might as well not run the graphical boot. -- Gene From ms-nospam-0306 at arcor.de Mon Oct 27 21:55:35 2003 From: ms-nospam-0306 at arcor.de (Michael Schwendt) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 22:55:35 +0100 Subject: would someone kindly clarify this paragaph,please (RH business model) In-Reply-To: <3F9D8F84.3B4D6262@gmx.de> References: <200310270023.53972.elwoo@videotron.ca> <200310271218.08389.elwoo@videotron.ca> <3F9D8F84.3B4D6262@gmx.de> Message-ID: <20031027225535.75f72b9f.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de> On Mon, 27 Oct 2003 22:35:01 +0100, Martin Stricker wrote: > As far as I understand the GPL, you may charge for the software. The GPL > is about source code, not money. > You may even deny the redistribution of > your *binaries* (like RHEL does). They cannot and do not do that with the GNU GPL'ed (or similarly "free") portions of their products: http://www.redhat.com/licenses/rhel_us_3.html (Appendix 1 section 1) -- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From czar at czarc.net Mon Oct 27 21:56:14 2003 From: czar at czarc.net (Gene C.) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 16:56:14 -0500 Subject: rhgb In-Reply-To: <200310271126.40852.elwoo@videotron.ca> References: <200310271106.23972.czar@czarc.net> <200310271540.43988.czar@czarc.net> <200310271126.40852.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <200310271656.14806.czar@czarc.net> BTW, I am just trying to find out if I missed something about how rhgb works. If it works the way I think it does, then I will put an RFE in. However, I do not want to waste time if there was something I missed or if there was something already planned. I know that was some discussion (here ?? bugzilla??) about kudzu and the graphical boot and mention was made of something planned. None of this will likely matter for FC1 but maybe it will be important for FC2. -- Gene From otaylor at redhat.com Mon Oct 27 21:56:46 2003 From: otaylor at redhat.com (Owen Taylor) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 16:56:46 -0500 Subject: rhythmbox: failed to create spider element In-Reply-To: <20031027213120.GA16012@iadonisi.to> References: <20031027180239.GB460@tux.gsfc.nasa.gov> <1067283162.18948.2.camel@LORDLINUX.global.shsystem.org> <20031027213120.GA16012@iadonisi.to> Message-ID: <1067291806.29916.386.camel@poincare.devel.redhat.com> On Mon, 2003-10-27 at 16:31, Paul Iadonisi wrote: > On Mon, Oct 27, 2003 at 01:32:43PM -0600, Mark Guzzo wrote: > > On Mon, 2003-10-27 at 12:02, John Kodis wrote: > > > I've tried to listen to an internet radiostation using rhythmbox, but > > > all that I can get to happen is for an error dialog saying "Failed to > > > create spider element; check your installation". > > > > I've had the exact same question, but I still have no idea what/how to > > fix it. > > Same here. But what strikes me most is how awful this error message > from a HIG point of view. WTF is a spider element? I couldn't even > figure it out by digging through the gstreamer developer docs. > Anyone know if this is in bugzilla? If it has to do with the exclusion > of mp3 support, then so be it, but it should definitely be submitted to > the GNOME bugzilla; give a more meaningful error message, one that explains > what action to take to fix it. As I understand it (not my area of expertise), the "spider" gstreamer module is supposed to do is to locate the appropriate modules to do some task and weave them together into the appropriate web. So, I think what this message means is: "I couldn't figure out how to connect together modules to do whatever the app asked me to do. Maybe your module installation is screwed up." It could clearly be improved... though I suspect the application should really be catching the error message itself and providing some more helpful diagnostic. Regards, Owen From elwoo at videotron.ca Mon Oct 27 17:01:41 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 12:01:41 -0500 Subject: rhgb In-Reply-To: <200310271650.50004.czar@czarc.net> References: <200310271106.23972.czar@czarc.net> <200310271126.40852.elwoo@videotron.ca> <200310271650.50004.czar@czarc.net> Message-ID: <200310271201.41298.elwoo@videotron.ca> On October 27, 2003 04:50 pm, Gene C. , <"Gene C." > wrote: > I think you may have missed my point. <*blush*> ... I guess I did... > I do what to run the graphical boot and don't really want to look at all > the messages during "normal" boot-up. > > However, I also want to be alerted to any problems starting services. It > would be adequate if I was alerted to the fact that errors occurred and > then I could look at the boot log. OK. Understood. What you are saying is run the gdb, *but* if a problem crops up, I want a notification of this during the boot process. I haven't been following the discussion very closely, but IIRC someone may already have mentioned this desirable feature. That's why I recommend your browsing the list archives. HTH, Elton ;-) -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From eckenrode.8 at osu.edu Mon Oct 27 22:09:38 2003 From: eckenrode.8 at osu.edu (Randy Eckenrode) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 17:09:38 -0500 Subject: HD 40 GB but 31 GB instead In-Reply-To: <20031027210722.4183fa1b.matthias@rpmforge.net> References: <20031027210722.4183fa1b.matthias@rpmforge.net> Message-ID: <1067292578.5342.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2003-10-27 at 15:07, Matthias Saou wrote: > I don't think so. Unless you haven't used the entire disk when creating the > partition with fdisk, what you've got is all you can have. Here's for > instance disks from various vendors sold as 80GB, 120GB and 60GB > respectively... I don?t think so. A 40 GB drive should be around 37.3 GiB, not 31 GiB. * * * To the original poster, what does the result of ?df -H? show? The results for me are as follows: $ df -h # G = GiB Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on /dev/hde2 112G 6.6G 100G 7% / /dev/hde1 97M 6.2M 86M 7% /boot $ df -H # G = GB Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on /dev/hde2 120G 7.1G 107G 7% / /dev/hde1 102M 6.5M 90M 7% /boot --Randy Eckenrode From jharnish at ci.grand-rapids.mi.us Mon Oct 27 22:08:33 2003 From: jharnish at ci.grand-rapids.mi.us (Harnish, Joe) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 17:08:33 -0500 Subject: groupware in fedora core ? Message-ID: <221C759285B78647AEE6181FD6AF36A70850C533@BAMBI> Have you tried OpenWebmail(openwebmail.com)? -----Original Message----- From: fedora-test-list-admin at redhat.com [mailto:fedora-test-list-admin at redhat.com] On Behalf Of shrek-m at gmx.de Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 8:56 AM To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com Subject: OT: groupware in fedora core ? hi, i miss a groupware-solution in fedora, after i spend some time (~1 month, september) with www.opengroupware.org and a shorter time (1 day, today ;-) ) with www.moregroupware.org i would say that moregroupware is actually my favourit. easy to setup, more stable, supports more databases, less problems, ... because i was not able to setup www. phpgroupware .org , www. egroupware .org on the same system (i don?t know why) i have no direct comparison. what do you think about a groupware in fedora ? which would you recommend ? thanks. -- shrek-m -- fedora-test-list mailing list fedora-test-list at redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From erik.orebro at telia.com Mon Oct 27 22:12:01 2003 From: erik.orebro at telia.com (Erik Englund) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 23:12:01 +0100 Subject: rhgb In-Reply-To: <200310271201.41298.elwoo@videotron.ca> References: <200310271106.23972.czar@czarc.net> <200310271126.40852.elwoo@videotron.ca> <200310271650.50004.czar@czarc.net> <200310271201.41298.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <1067292720.7979.337.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2003-10-27 at 18:01, Elton Woo wrote: > On October 27, 2003 04:50 pm, Gene C. , <"Gene C." > wrote: > > > I think you may have missed my point. > > <*blush*> ... I guess I did... > > > I do what to run the graphical boot and don't really want to look at all > > the messages during "normal" boot-up. > > > > However, I also want to be alerted to any problems starting services. It > > would be adequate if I was alerted to the fact that errors occurred and > > then I could look at the boot log. > OK. Understood. What you are saying is run the gdb, *but* if a problem > crops up, I want a notification of this during the boot process. I haven't > been following the discussion very closely, but IIRC someone may already > have mentioned this desirable feature. That's why I recommend your > browsing the list archives. > > HTH, > > Elton ;-) hmm i searched the archive, didn't find anything... and this is really disturbing! rhgb should print out all failures as default, and guess that wouldn't be to hard to fix either. Erik From john at cepros.com Mon Oct 27 22:16:42 2003 From: john at cepros.com (John P. Mitchell) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 13:16:42 -0900 Subject: would someone kindly clarify this paragaph,please (RH business model) In-Reply-To: <20031027225535.75f72b9f.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de> Message-ID: On Mon, 27 Oct 2003 22:55:35 +0100 Michael Schwendt wrote: >On Mon, 27 Oct 2003 22:35:01 +0100, Martin Stricker wrote: > >> As far as I understand the GPL, you may charge for the software. The GPL >> is about source code, not money. > >> You may even deny the redistribution of >> your *binaries* (like RHEL does). > >They cannot and do not do that with the GNU GPL'ed (or similarly >"free") portions of their products: >http://www.redhat.com/licenses/rhel_us_3.html (Appendix 1 section 1) > >-- This is my understanding as well, and has been confirmed through a call to Red Hat. Regards, John P. Mitchell Email Sticker: My Boss is a Jewish carpenter http://www.GoboLinux.org | User #00010110 From notting at redhat.com Mon Oct 27 22:23:52 2003 From: notting at redhat.com (Bill Nottingham) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 17:23:52 -0500 Subject: rhgb In-Reply-To: <1067292720.7979.337.camel@localhost.localdomain>; from erik.orebro@telia.com on Mon, Oct 27, 2003 at 11:12:01PM +0100 References: <200310271106.23972.czar@czarc.net> <200310271126.40852.elwoo@videotron.ca> <200310271650.50004.czar@czarc.net> <200310271201.41298.elwoo@videotron.ca> <1067292720.7979.337.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20031027172352.C4723@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Erik Englund (erik.orebro at telia.com) said: > hmm i searched the archive, didn't find anything... > > and this is really disturbing! rhgb should print out all failures as > default, and guess that wouldn't be to hard to fix either. Edit /etc/init.d/functions, at the end of failure(), before the return, add: [ -x /usr/bin/rhgb-client ] && /usr/bin/rhgb-client --details=yes Work ok for you? Bill From czar at czarc.net Mon Oct 27 22:23:56 2003 From: czar at czarc.net (Gene C.) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 17:23:56 -0500 Subject: rhgb In-Reply-To: <200310271201.41298.elwoo@videotron.ca> References: <200310271106.23972.czar@czarc.net> <200310271650.50004.czar@czarc.net> <200310271201.41298.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <200310271723.56472.czar@czarc.net> On Monday 27 October 2003 12:01, Elton Woo wrote: > OK. Understood. What you are saying is run the gdb, *but* if a problem > crops up, I want a notification of this during the boot process. I haven't > been following the discussion very closely, but IIRC someone may already > have mentioned this desirable feature. That's why I recommend your > browsing the list archives. It may have gotten mentioned but if it is not bugzilla'ed, it does not exist. I did: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=108135 and the comment (already) sounds like it is not difficult ("a small matter of programming") and is in initscripts. -- Gene From paul at frields.com Mon Oct 27 22:30:49 2003 From: paul at frields.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 17:30:49 -0500 Subject: rhgb In-Reply-To: <200310271650.50004.czar@czarc.net> References: <200310271106.23972.czar@czarc.net> <200310271540.43988.czar@czarc.net> <200310271126.40852.elwoo@videotron.ca> <200310271650.50004.czar@czarc.net> Message-ID: <1067293849.3463.7.camel@bettie.internal.frields.org> On Mon, 2003-10-27 at 16:50, Gene C. wrote: > I think you may have missed my point. > > I do what to run the graphical boot and don't really want to look at all the > messages during "normal" boot-up. > > However, I also want to be alerted to any problems starting services. It > would be adequate if I was alerted to the fact that errors occurred and then > I could look at the boot log. Perhaps a good middle ground is "I want to know if there were *any failures at all* during the boot." To me, this is easily resolved by having a small "red exclamation point" icon turned on (in keeping with other thematic notices), or possibly changing the color of the spinner to red. This would clue you in that you need to look at the boot log to see the source of the failure. I think that it would be a bad idea -- and I don't necessarily think you were saying this would be a *good* idea -- to do something silly and cluttering like automatically switching over to text view, or suddenly showing a listing on screen of failed services, etc. > For example, lets say that the "normal" time server I point ntp at is down > when I boot-up, I would like to be alerted to that fact. I would say that's a bad example, but it's probably nit-picky. (You should be using several known good public time sources so it won't matter if one is down.) Maybe a better example would be a case where the DHCP server elsewhere on the LAN is down. I think I get your point, though, which is that now you know you need to login and (at the very least) run redhat-logviewer. > The way that rhgb currently seems to work is that I will know unless I spend > the time looking through the boot log every time. If I am going to do that, > then I might as well not run the graphical boot. Agreed. It would probably also be a good idea for this icon to "persist" into the [gk]dm login screen, perhaps in the small information window at the lower right, so that the next person who logs in (and who has appropriate access rights) can check the status. It would also mean a visual cue to an admin walking by, or a "regular user" could notice on their own screen in the morning (say, after a power cycle in the building or their daily power-on after coffee) and call IT about it. Any other suggestions? -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE From jwendel at fnmoc.navy.mil Mon Oct 27 22:32:12 2003 From: jwendel at fnmoc.navy.mil (John Wendel) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 14:32:12 -0800 Subject: HD 40 GB but 31 GB instead In-Reply-To: <1067292578.5342.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <20031027210722.4183fa1b.matthias@rpmforge.net> <1067292578.5342.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20031027143212.2043a92d.jwendel@fnmoc.navy.mil> On Mon, 27 Oct 2003 17:09:38 -0500 -- Randy Eckenrode wrote: > On Mon, 2003-10-27 at 15:07, Matthias Saou wrote: > > I don't think so. Unless you haven't used the entire disk > > when creating the partition with fdisk, what you've got is > > all you can have. Here's for instance disks from various > > vendors sold as 80GB, 120GB and 60GB respectively... > I don???t think so. A 40 GB drive should be around 37.3 GiB, > not 31 GiB. > You are correect, 31 GiB is a BIOS limitation. He needs a BIOS update (if available), or a separate PCI IDE controller. -- John Wendel From paul at frields.com Mon Oct 27 22:34:54 2003 From: paul at frields.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 17:34:54 -0500 Subject: rhgb In-Reply-To: <20031027172352.C4723@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <200310271106.23972.czar@czarc.net> <200310271126.40852.elwoo@videotron.ca> <200310271650.50004.czar@czarc.net> <200310271201.41298.elwoo@videotron.ca> <1067292720.7979.337.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20031027172352.C4723@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1067294094.3463.10.camel@bettie.internal.frields.org> On Mon, 2003-10-27 at 17:23, Bill Nottingham wrote: > > and this is really disturbing! rhgb should print out all failures as > > default, and guess that wouldn't be to hard to fix either. > > Edit /etc/init.d/functions, at the end of failure(), before > the return, add: > > [ -x /usr/bin/rhgb-client ] && /usr/bin/rhgb-client --details=yes Given I didn't see this until after writing my response, certainly this solves the problem in the short term. Does this mean my (admittedly more time-intensive) suggestion is overkill? I won't RFE it unless more people think it would be a Good Thing. -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE From erik.orebro at telia.com Mon Oct 27 22:37:37 2003 From: erik.orebro at telia.com (Erik Englund) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 23:37:37 +0100 Subject: rhgb In-Reply-To: <20031027172352.C4723@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <200310271106.23972.czar@czarc.net> <200310271126.40852.elwoo@videotron.ca> <200310271650.50004.czar@czarc.net> <200310271201.41298.elwoo@videotron.ca> <1067292720.7979.337.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20031027172352.C4723@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1067294257.7979.345.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2003-10-27 at 23:23, Bill Nottingham wrote: > Erik Englund (erik.orebro at telia.com) said: > > hmm i searched the archive, didn't find anything... > > > > and this is really disturbing! rhgb should print out all failures as > > default, and guess that wouldn't be to hard to fix either. > > Edit /etc/init.d/functions, at the end of failure(), before > the return, add: > > [ -x /usr/bin/rhgb-client ] && /usr/bin/rhgb-client --details=yes > > Work ok for you? > > Bill sure it will, don't want to reboot now though... But why isn't this turned on by default? "normal" people (like me) who don't know everything about this issue can go nut if that don't show up but we expect it to show up if there is anything wrong... Erik From barlog_7 at yahoo.com Mon Oct 27 22:42:00 2003 From: barlog_7 at yahoo.com (Malcom Uel) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 14:42:00 -0800 (PST) Subject: Flashplayer Message-ID: <20031027224200.73744.qmail@web20710.mail.yahoo.com> >No. Are you having problems installing it? Well not as far as I know. I download it, unpack it, cd to the directory and use the install. Then I fire up mozilla. And it just does not work. It's installed to my .mozilla file in my home directory. Any ideas? __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/ From czar at czarc.net Mon Oct 27 22:46:07 2003 From: czar at czarc.net (Gene C.) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 17:46:07 -0500 Subject: rhgb In-Reply-To: <20031027172352.C4723@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <200310271106.23972.czar@czarc.net> <1067292720.7979.337.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20031027172352.C4723@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <200310271746.07344.czar@czarc.net> On Monday 27 October 2003 17:23, Bill Nottingham wrote: > Erik Englund (erik.orebro at telia.com) said: > > hmm i searched the archive, didn't find anything... > > > > and this is really disturbing! rhgb should print out all failures as > > default, and guess that wouldn't be to hard to fix either. > > Edit /etc/init.d/functions, at the end of failure(), before > the return, add: > > [ -x /usr/bin/rhgb-client ] && /usr/bin/rhgb-client --details=yes > > Work ok for you? Close but I don't believe you want it to work quite the way it is. When the graphic boot first comes up, it now does so in "Show details" mode, then switches to "Hide details" mode when kudzu runs, and finally switches back to "show details" mode when the error occurs. While this (or something like it) is OK for now, I really believe that some kind of simple message (perhaps on the gdm panel) needs to be displayed. I do not have the fastest system currently available but the messages are just going too fast to tell exactly what happened. -- Gene From warren at togami.com Mon Oct 27 23:37:03 2003 From: warren at togami.com (Warren Togami) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 13:37:03 -1000 (HST) Subject: flashplayer In-Reply-To: <20031027202701.7311.qmail@web20703.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20031027202701.7311.qmail@web20703.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <49815.204.128.204.222.1067297823.squirrel@togami.com> > Hey has anyone had a problem setting up flash support > in mozilla? small item I know, but I would like to > utilize it. > > Thanks http://macromedia.mplug.org Does this RPM work for you? Warren From christoph.wickert at web.de Mon Oct 27 22:58:26 2003 From: christoph.wickert at web.de (Christoph Wickert) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 23:58:26 +0100 Subject: samba trouble In-Reply-To: <20031027201943.38787.qmail@web20712.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20031027201943.38787.qmail@web20712.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1067295506.6103.22.camel@hal9000.lokales.netz> Am Mo, den 27.10.2003 schrieb Malcom Uel um 21:19: > Has that been reported as > a bug, that the options you may choose for your > sercurity aren't used, even if you did turn on the > firewall? Yes, known bug. See https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=105994 (I think it already existed in RH9: A friend of mine installed it and ran into the same problem) As you can see Redhat-config-securitylevel is a big issue in the list and fedora are aware of this: > http://fedora.redhat.com/projects/config-tools/ > Here is a list of tools that would be useful but do not exist yet: > > Firewall - configuration tool for IP Tables (something more > finegrained than redhat-config-securitylevel) Please take a look at the other replies to your mail, because completely disabling the firewall may be dangerous. Christoph -- Christoph Wickert From davej at redhat.com Mon Oct 27 22:58:30 2003 From: davej at redhat.com (Dave Jones) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 22:58:30 +0000 Subject: The problem with SMP and Hyper-Threading In-Reply-To: <1067288976.3975.51.camel@lru.voxnet.ru> References: <1067288976.3975.51.camel@lru.voxnet.ru> Message-ID: <20031027225830.GA22735@redhat.com> On Tue, Oct 28, 2003 at 12:09:36AM +0300, Andrew Rushailo wrote: > I have motherboard "ASUS P4S800" and P4 2.4C. > When hyper-threading is on, kernel finds two CPU, but only one is used > and swap become aggressive (after one day it is about 800 mb). > When hyper-threading is off, swap is about 20 - 30 mb. > PS. > Last kernel which support hyper-threading is 2.4.22-2040. > All latest version does not work. Please file a bugzilla report about this. Add Len Brown to the Cc: and include your dmesg output (before and after the problem preferably) Thanks, Dave -- Dave Jones http://www.codemonkey.org.uk From paul.morgan at jumanjihouse.com Mon Oct 27 23:03:22 2003 From: paul.morgan at jumanjihouse.com (Paul Morgan) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 17:03:22 -0600 Subject: rhgb In-Reply-To: <1067293849.3463.7.camel@bettie.internal.frields.org> References: <200310271106.23972.czar@czarc.net> <200310271540.43988.czar@czarc.net> <200310271126.40852.elwoo@videotron.ca> <200310271650.50004.czar@czarc.net> <1067293849.3463.7.camel@bettie.internal.frields.org> Message-ID: <1067295802.5193.32.camel@vaio.jumanjihouse.com> On Mon, 2003-10-27 at 16:30, Paul W. Frields wrote: > Perhaps a good middle ground is "I want to know if there were *any > failures at all* during the boot." To me, this is easily resolved by > having a small "red exclamation point" icon turned on (in keeping with > other thematic notices), or possibly changing the color of the spinner > to red. This would clue you in that you need to look at the boot log to > see the source of the failure. > > > For example, lets say that the "normal" time server I point ntp at is down > > when I boot-up, I would like to be alerted to that fact. Great example. A non-tech user should not need to understand what ntpd is or why it fails when he's out in the field (and therefore disconnected from a network, regardless of how many ntp servers are configured). Something subtle like a red vs. green or yellow throbber would be intuitive here. The last thing we want is something like MS's "at least one service failed during startup" because that sets off the user and leads to the problem of ignoring or suppressing error messages. > I would say that's a bad example, but it's probably nit-picky. (You > should be using several known good public time sources so it won't > matter if one is down.) Maybe a better example would be a case where the > DHCP server elsewhere on the LAN is down. I think I get your point, > though, which is that now you know you need to login and (at the very > least) run redhat-logviewer. > > > The way that rhgb currently seems to work is that I will know unless I spend > > the time looking through the boot log every time. If I am going to do that, > > then I might as well not run the graphical boot. > > Agreed. It would probably also be a good idea for this icon to "persist" > into the [gk]dm login screen, perhaps in the small information window at > the lower right, so that the next person who logs in (and who has > appropriate access rights) can check the status. It would also mean a > visual cue to an admin walking by, or a "regular user" could notice on > their own screen in the morning (say, after a power cycle in the > building or their daily power-on after coffee) and call IT about it. Another great idea, imho. From m.weerasinghe at ntlworld.com Mon Oct 27 23:13:57 2003 From: m.weerasinghe at ntlworld.com (Matheesha) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 23:13:57 +0000 Subject: ftp links in Evolution In-Reply-To: <1067035997.4975.8.camel@blue.comcast.net> References: <1066953463.8379.5.camel@hal9000.lokales.netz> <1067032644.6598.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1067034982.27539.1.camel@earth.xades.com> <1067035997.4975.8.camel@blue.comcast.net> Message-ID: <1067296436.2952.18.camel@cpc1-hem12-3-0-cust208.lutn.cable.ntl.com> Have you noticed that http:// links work but https:// dont. I have configured epiphany as the default browser yet https:// are always attempted to be opened in Mozilla. I just wanna make sure it isn't just me. /desktop/gnome/applications/browser shows Mozilla as default browser. Where are the preferred application settings stored? Cheers M@ On Fri, 2003-10-24 at 23:53, Clifford Snow wrote: > On Fri, 2003-10-24 at 15:36, nosp wrote: > > > > > How about http:// links? Don't work for me. > > Check your setting in in Preferences -> Preferred Applications. Make > sure your browser is selected in the Web Browser tab. Unfortunately > there is not setting for an ftp client. From twaugh at redhat.com Mon Oct 27 23:30:12 2003 From: twaugh at redhat.com (Tim Waugh) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 23:30:12 +0000 Subject: VNC + local X session causes problem with GNOME panel applets In-Reply-To: <20031027180914.GA26135@mark.mielke.cc> References: <20031027180914.GA26135@mark.mielke.cc> Message-ID: <20031027233012.GO2229@redhat.com> On Mon, Oct 27, 2003 at 01:09:14PM -0500, Mark Mielke wrote: > If I create a VNC session that is running GNOME, and then login to a local > X session, the GNOME panel applets all (or most) refuse to come up in the > local X session (and vice versa, if started in reverse). Stick 'unset SESSION_MANAGER' in .vnc/xstartup? Here is mine: #!/bin/sh unset SESSION_MANAGER exec ssh-agent /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc Tim. */ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Thank you for pointing this out! So I understood it wrong. Thanks, Martin Stricker -- Homepage: http://www.martin-stricker.de/ Linux Migration Project: http://www.linux-migration.org/ Red Hat Linux 9 for low memory: http://www.rule-project.org/ Registered Linux user #210635: http://counter.li.org/ From bwheadley at earthlink.net Tue Oct 28 00:08:14 2003 From: bwheadley at earthlink.net (Bryan W. Headley) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 18:08:14 -0600 Subject: Beep on X11 login screen In-Reply-To: <1067098078.30706.7.camel@wombat.tiptoe.de> References: <200310242311.h9ONBio05802@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1067098078.30706.7.camel@wombat.tiptoe.de> Message-ID: <3F9DB36E.2050303@earthlink.net> Nils Philippsen wrote: > On Sat, 2003-10-25 at 01:11, Alan Cox wrote: > >>>>Can it be turned off ? >>>>I guess it can, but I am not at my fedora system right now, so I can't check... >>> >>>to my knowledge, no, it cannot be disabled. And why does it matter? It's >>>a single beep. >> >>Its annoying. A beep should be an alert for something important. Its just >>horrible UI work, fortunately its easy to hack out of the sources > > > Can we please just agree that it's important for some people while at > the same time annoying to others? A boolean BeepWhenReady option > shouldn't be that hard to implement to please both camps. Bonus points > for implementing Andy Green's idea: > > >>Why not turn this into a PR pluspoint by, for at least the first boot, >>making a little note on the login display explaining why the beep is >>there (karma++) and how to turn it off if you are not visually >>challenged, for extra points a checkbox right there and then. Right, so make beeping an option; making it play a sound file an option. Let me see how that tough that is to add... -- ____ .:. ____ Bryan W. Headley - bwheadley at earthlink.net From mharris at redhat.com Tue Oct 28 00:28:11 2003 From: mharris at redhat.com (Mike A. Harris) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 19:28:11 -0500 (EST) Subject: Somewhat OT XFree86 question (maybe M. A. Harris will speak up) In-Reply-To: <20031027192729.GJ10427@ip68-4-255-84.oc.oc.cox.net> References: <20031027142127.17022.qmail@web10009.mail.yahoo.com> <20031027192729.GJ10427@ip68-4-255-84.oc.oc.cox.net> Message-ID: On Mon, 27 Oct 2003, Barry K. Nathan wrote: >> XFree86 4.3.0 in Fedora Core, is highly stabilized compared to >> the official 4.3.0 release. It includes a large number of bug >> fixes, some backported drivers, and various performance >> optimizations. This will be released both in Fedora Core 1, and >> the majority of these enhancements released as erratum for Red >> Hat Linux 9 soon too. Red Hat Linux 8.0 and earlier OS releases >> wont see anything but major security updates only for XFree86 >> between now and their end of life. > >I noticed some security fixes mentioned in the changelog for the recent >XFree86 4.3.0 packages. Are there any errata for RHEL 2.1, Red Hat 7.x, >or 8.0 in the pipeline? Or are the fixes not considered major enough? Yep, it's in QA right now, will be released soon for all supported OS releases. -- Mike A. Harris ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris OS Systems Engineer - XFree86 maintainer - Red Hat From glass-art at comcast.net Tue Oct 28 01:09:09 2003 From: glass-art at comcast.net (Clifford Snow) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 17:09:09 -0800 Subject: gnome-cd player Message-ID: <1067303349.21251.18.camel@blue.comcast.net> This is probably a lack of knowledge, but I just got a new cd that I wanted to listen to. When I loaded the cd, gnome-cd started but just sat there showing the title of the first song. It appears that gnome-cd does not automatically start playing. gnome-cd starts, but does not play, even with the preferences set to play on startup or from command line gnome-cd --play. Also, when you get it to play, it only plays one track, then waits for the user to do something. I would expect it to continue to play until the end of the cd. Same as most stand alone cd players. A bugzilla search did not turn up any issues on gnome-cd (part of gnome-media.) At least not against Fedora. So what am I doing wrong? Is this by design? -- Clifford Snow glass-art at comcast.net -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From jjramsey_6x9eq42 at yahoo.com Tue Oct 28 01:18:19 2003 From: jjramsey_6x9eq42 at yahoo.com (James J. Ramsey) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 17:18:19 -0800 (PST) Subject: Trying to get the Graphire to work In-Reply-To: <1067276918.28139.3.camel@wombat.tiptoe.de> Message-ID: <20031028011819.36447.qmail@web10706.mail.yahoo.com> --- Nils Philippsen wrote: > On Mon, 2003-10-27 at 17:58, James J. Ramsey wrote: > > 3) Has your system been updated with the latest > > Rawhide RPMS? > > Absolutely. If my memory serves me right, I didn't > have any issues with > the tablet since quite some time. I finally updated to Rawhide and the tablet seems to be working fine now. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/ From knxmay001 at mail.uct.ac.za Tue Oct 28 01:57:25 2003 From: knxmay001 at mail.uct.ac.za (Maynard Kuona) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 03:57:25 +0200 Subject: Kernel 2.6 test8 errors Message-ID: <1067306244.15557.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> I am trying to get the test 8 version of the kernel to work properly and give me a bootup without errors. I keep on getting this error modprobe: FATAL: Module serial not found. Can someone knowledgeable please tell me how to get rid of that error message. I am keeping the other kernel (2.4) just in case, so whatever I do here must be compatible with the 2.4 series I have. Help please anyone? From jjramsey_6x9eq42 at yahoo.com Tue Oct 28 02:52:37 2003 From: jjramsey_6x9eq42 at yahoo.com (James J. Ramsey) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 18:52:37 -0800 (PST) Subject: Flashplayer In-Reply-To: <20031027224200.73744.qmail@web20710.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20031028025237.55581.qmail@web10708.mail.yahoo.com> --- Malcom Uel wrote: > >No. Are you having problems installing it? > > > Well not as far as I know. I download it, unpack it, > cd to the directory and use the install. Then I fire > up mozilla. And it just does not work. It's > installed > to my .mozilla file in my home directory. Any ideas? You are probably missing libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3. which is in the compat-libstdc++ RPM. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/ From itsme_410 at yahoo.com Tue Oct 28 03:37:46 2003 From: itsme_410 at yahoo.com (Globe Trotter) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 19:37:46 -0800 (PST) Subject: flashplayer In-Reply-To: <49815.204.128.204.222.1067297823.squirrel@togami.com> Message-ID: <20031028033746.1925.qmail@web40301.mail.yahoo.com> Need to add MozillaFirebird (local installations to the list). The directory typically is of the form $HOME/MozillaFirebird. Thanks! --- Warren Togami wrote: > > Hey has anyone had a problem setting up flash support > > in mozilla? small item I know, but I would like to > > utilize it. > > > > Thanks > > http://macromedia.mplug.org > Does this RPM work for you? > > Warren > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/ From maxka at myrealbox.com Tue Oct 28 04:04:18 2003 From: maxka at myrealbox.com (Maxwell Kanat-Alexander) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 20:04:18 -0800 Subject: flashplayer In-Reply-To: <20031028033746.1925.qmail@web40301.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20031028033746.1925.qmail@web40301.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1067313858.24951.1.camel@max.localdomain> On Mon, 2003-10-27 at 19:37, Globe Trotter wrote: > Need to add MozillaFirebird (local installations to the list). The directory > typically is of the form $HOME/MozillaFirebird. The directory can also be (and is more likely to be): /usr/lib/mozilla-firebird/ /usr/lib/MozillaFirebird/ or possibly the /usr/local/ equivalent of both of those. -Max From dsavage at peaknet.net Tue Oct 28 04:08:29 2003 From: dsavage at peaknet.net (Robert G. (Doc) Savage) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 22:08:29 -0600 Subject: rawhide disconnects after reorg Message-ID: <1067314109.3186.11.camel@lioness.thunderpurr.net> This may be one for Bill Nottingham.... Ever since rawhide was reorganized, I've been unable to connect to it with gftp. (Coincidentally, perhaps, my regular mirror has not updated. I wonder if he's having rsync problems for the same reason?) At any rate, I get the following gftp disconnection error message only when I try to drop into the last RPMS directory (no other): ... CWD /pub/redhat/linux/rawhide/i386/Fedora/RPMS 250 Directory successfully changed PASV 227 Entering Passive Mode (66,187,232,30,211,188) LIST -aL 150 Here comes the directory listing Connection to rawhide.redhat.com timed out Disconnecting from site rawhide.redhat.com Time duration seems to have no bearing on the problem. Using cut & paste I can go directly to that directory and get booted off quick, or I can leisurely double-click from / into each successive subdirectory and not get booted off until the last one. gftp worked before the reorg, and still works for all other ftp sites I visit. Is rawhide still recovering from its reorg?? --Doc Savage Fairview Heights, IL From barlog_7 at yahoo.com Tue Oct 28 06:07:17 2003 From: barlog_7 at yahoo.com (Malcom Uel) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 22:07:17 -0800 (PST) Subject: flashplayer Message-ID: <20031028060717.54622.qmail@web20709.mail.yahoo.com> > Hey has anyone had a problem setting up flash support > in mozilla? small item I know, but I would like to > utilize it. > > Thanks >>http://macromedia.mplug.org >>Does this RPM work for you? >>Warren I tried to install. But it seems to need a dependency that was updated. Now should I attempt to install or should I try to work it out with mozilla(Basically I mean that the plugins are actually present in the /home/user/.mozilla folder. And it just seems that mozilla is not utilizing them). Has anyone experienced this before? __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/ From barlog_7 at yahoo.com Tue Oct 28 06:14:26 2003 From: barlog_7 at yahoo.com (Malcom Uel) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 22:14:26 -0800 (PST) Subject: samba trouble Message-ID: <20031028061426.57381.qmail@web20709.mail.yahoo.com> >Please take a look at the other replies to your mail, >because >completely >disabling the firewall may be dangerous. >Christoph Don't worry I dream of it ;) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/ From warren at togami.com Tue Oct 28 07:14:41 2003 From: warren at togami.com (Warren Togami) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 21:14:41 -1000 Subject: flashplayer In-Reply-To: <1067313858.24951.1.camel@max.localdomain> References: <20031028033746.1925.qmail@web40301.mail.yahoo.com> <1067313858.24951.1.camel@max.localdomain> Message-ID: <3F9E1761.8030008@togami.com> Maxwell Kanat-Alexander wrote: > On Mon, 2003-10-27 at 19:37, Globe Trotter wrote: > >>Need to add MozillaFirebird (local installations to the list). The directory >>typically is of the form $HOME/MozillaFirebird. > > > The directory can also be (and is more likely to be): > > /usr/lib/mozilla-firebird/ > /usr/lib/MozillaFirebird/ It is within my plans to add MozillaFirebird as a directory, but in our earlier discussion at fedora.us we came to a consensus that rejected "mozilla-firebird" as a directory name and package name because: 1) It makes it sound like it is a sub-package of mozilla, which is incorect. 2) MozillaFirebird was the original name, and there was little point is changing that since under the mozilla branding strategy document of the time, the browser would eventually become "Mozilla Browser" in order to appease the database guys. Unless faced with something more convincing, I am not going to add "mozilla-firebird". Actually, the glob wildcard that the script currently uses should actually pull that in. I'm not sure why the script fails with Dag's package. Can somebody please figure this one out and report back? Warren From dnrlinux at san.rr.com Tue Oct 28 07:22:52 2003 From: dnrlinux at san.rr.com (Don Russell) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 23:22:52 -0800 Subject: Updated ISO images? Message-ID: <03c101c39d24$4cecb2b0$030a0a0a@NATASHA> I got the ISO images for FCT3 and installed it on two machines.... The laptop install went "OK", but the update utility doesn't work, it hangs during checking dependencies etc. The desktop install fails miserably.... choking big time with rpmdb fatal errors during the package install. Question is... are there newer ISO images I can d/l and try again? Thanks, Don -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fedora at andrewfarris.com Tue Oct 28 07:49:43 2003 From: fedora at andrewfarris.com (Andrew Farris) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 23:49:43 -0800 Subject: Updated ISO images? In-Reply-To: <03c101c39d24$4cecb2b0$030a0a0a@NATASHA> References: <03c101c39d24$4cecb2b0$030a0a0a@NATASHA> Message-ID: <1067327383.29218.79.camel@CirithUngol> On Mon, 2003-10-27 at 23:22, Don Russell wrote: > I got the ISO images for FCT3 and installed it on two machines.... > > The laptop install went "OK", but the update utility doesn't work, it > hangs during checking dependencies etc. > > The desktop install fails miserably.... choking big time with rpmdb > fatal errors during the package install. > > Question is... are there newer ISO images I can d/l and try again? No, just go get the newest up2date and up2date-gnome packages from rawhide. You may be able to update those packages if you do them ONLY, before anything else. If not, get them ftp and install manually. After that you should be able to update the rest (known bug). > Thanks, > Don -- Andrew Farris From alexl at redhat.com Tue Oct 28 08:02:53 2003 From: alexl at redhat.com (Alexander Larsson) Date: 28 Oct 2003 09:02:53 +0100 Subject: nautilus hang In-Reply-To: <200310271439.53864.elwoo@videotron.ca> References: <20031027192649.3737.qmail@web10005.mail.yahoo.com> <200310271439.53864.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <1067328173.1730.45.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2003-10-27 at 20:39, Elton Woo wrote: > On October 27, 2003 02:26 pm, Ryan G. , <"Ryan G." > wrote: > > Hey, > > > > Here's a fun way to turn your laptop cpu fan on -> > > > > Nautilus shows contents of most directories just fine, however when I > > try to view the contents of /usr nautilus just sits there no screen > > redraw with the nautilus-throbber spinning. This goes on for several > > minutes. > > > > %CPU %MEM TIME CPU COMMAND > > 75.9 76.1 3:44 0 nautilus > > > > If I destroy the non-responsive window, nautilus dies and then > > restarts. Seems like this is an issue when viewing directories with > > lots of folders but not such a issue with directories that have lots of > > files (viewing /dev causes no problems). > > > > Is it a bug? > > See: > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=107652 > Kindly add comments, and observations ... Elton, I know that you don't like this crash you're having, but could you please stop refering to it on every unrelated nautilus issue reported. It is *not* easier for us to fix a bug if the bugzilla entry is filled with unrelated comments. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Alexander Larsson Red Hat, Inc alexl at redhat.com alla at lysator.liu.se He's a gun-slinging dishevelled grifter with a passion for fast cars. She's a chain-smoking cigar-chomping archaeologist prone to fits of savage, blood-crazed rage. They fight crime! From alexl at redhat.com Tue Oct 28 08:10:10 2003 From: alexl at redhat.com (Alexander Larsson) Date: 28 Oct 2003 09:10:10 +0100 Subject: nautilus hang In-Reply-To: <20031027192649.3737.qmail@web10005.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20031027192649.3737.qmail@web10005.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1067328610.1730.51.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2003-10-27 at 20:26, Ryan G. wrote: > Hey, > > Here's a fun way to turn your laptop cpu fan on -> > > Nautilus shows contents of most directories just fine, however when I > try to view the contents of /usr nautilus just sits there no screen > redraw with the nautilus-throbber spinning. This goes on for several > minutes. > > %CPU %MEM TIME CPU COMMAND > 75.9 76.1 3:44 0 nautilus > > If I destroy the non-responsive window, nautilus dies and then > restarts. Seems like this is an issue when viewing directories with > lots of folders but not such a issue with directories that have lots of > files (viewing /dev causes no problems). > > Is it a bug? Or is it me... (or both)? I don't see it, so it must be you, but its clearly a bug too. :) Does this always happen on /usr? Does it happen anywhere else? If you make a shallow copy of your /usr somewhere else. Does it still happen? Do you have the sidebar enabled? If so, with what page visible? When its hanging, can you connect to it with gdb ("gdb /usr/bin/nautilus $pid") and get a backtrace ("thread apply all bt"). Also, please file a bugzilla report and attach this info. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Alexander Larsson Red Hat, Inc alexl at redhat.com alla at lysator.liu.se He's an unconventional Republican stage actor from the Mississippi delta. She's a vivacious wisecracking mechanic with her own daytime radio talk show. They fight crime! From lists at reforge.fi Tue Oct 28 08:55:17 2003 From: lists at reforge.fi (Lauri Jutila) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 10:55:17 +0200 Subject: flashplayer In-Reply-To: <20031028060717.54622.qmail@web20709.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20031028060717.54622.qmail@web20709.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1067331317.5402.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> > I tried to install. But it seems to need a dependency > that was updated. Now should I attempt to install or > should I try to work it out with mozilla(Basically I > mean that the plugins are actually present in the > /home/user/.mozilla folder. And it just seems that > mozilla is not utilizing them). Has anyone experienced > this before? I have installed Flash Player with the installer available from Macromedia web site. Here's direct link to that file: http://download.macromedia.com/pub/shockwave/flash/english/linux/6.0r79/install_flash_player_6_linux.tar.gz (warning, URL maybe line wrapped). Run the installer and follow the instructions. After installation, verify that your ~/.mozilla/plugins/ directory has the following files: * flashplayer.xpt * libflashplayer.so Restart your browser and go Help -> About Plug-ins. You should now see Shockwave Flash section which contains plug-in information. Regards, -- Lauri Jutila Chief Linux Fellow, Reforge lists at reforge.fi http://www.reforge.fi From johnny at navtek.no Tue Oct 28 09:07:15 2003 From: johnny at navtek.no (Johnny Ljunggren) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 10:07:15 +0100 Subject: RHN-applet disappears between logins In-Reply-To: <200310271323.33687.elwoo@videotron.ca> References: <1067258642.11893.1.camel@cash.navtek> <200310271323.33687.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <1067332035.13867.7.camel@cash.navtek> man, 27.10.2003 kl. 19.23 skrev Elton Woo: > On October 27, 2003 07:44 am, Johnny Ljunggren , > wrote: > > What can be done about that? > Is on the KDE desktop? I notice it happens whenever I logout and back into > KDE, but not in Gnome. That's correct. Actually it seems that the session is not saved when logging out, so I get the same setup each time I log in. Shouldn't that go automatic? And when I'm at it, is it possible to get emacs to remember the files it has loaded whn logging in again? It remembers the file but not the location, so all I get is an empty file. -- Johnny Ljunggren From johnny at navtek.no Tue Oct 28 09:11:07 2003 From: johnny at navtek.no (Johnny Ljunggren) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 10:11:07 +0100 Subject: k3b vs xcdroast Message-ID: <1067332267.13867.11.camel@cash.navtek> I'm not sure if this has been discussed before, but is it possible to get k3b included instead of xcdroast? -- Johnny Ljunggren From than at redhat.com Tue Oct 28 09:26:02 2003 From: than at redhat.com (Than Ngo) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 10:26:02 +0100 Subject: KDE "Start Here' doesn't work? In-Reply-To: <1067271222.6118.19.camel@hal9000.lokales.netz> References: <200310221621.26855.elwoo@videotron.ca> <1067223868.14551.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> <64661.69.68.37.57.1067228691.squirrel@69.68.37.57> <673BA339-084C-11D8-AC67-000393C34F68@mac.com> <03345E2E-084E-11D8-AC67-000393C34F68@mac.com> <3F9D337A.7070002@redhat.com> <1067271222.6118.19.camel@hal9000.lokales.netz> Message-ID: <3F9E362A.3050909@redhat.com> Christoph Wickert schrieb: >Am Mo, den 27.10.2003 schrieb Than Ngo um 16:02: > > >> >> >>it's a know bug, and should be fixed in kdebase-3.1.4-5. >> >> > > >This is what happened to me: Start Here worked in Gnome. After some >Updates it worked with KDE, too. After changing the icon theme in KDE >there was no icon anymore (for KDE themes usually include no Start >here), so I changed the Icon to the one from RH artwork. > > this icon is missed in other Icon Theme. I will fix it in next kdebase-3.1.4-5 >Now Start here is broken in Gnome: Something like "The application >connected to vfolder is not valid." (sorry for the bad translation), and >im not able to set up a new application for the button for this doesn't >work. > > Problem is that the starthere desktop file, which is created in GNOME, has diffenrent URL=start-here: it's not valid for KDE. I have already fixed this problem. >So you can't have Start here in KDE and Gnome. Will this be fixed in >kdebase 3.1.4-5? > > yes, kdebase-3.1.4-5 will fix this problem. Than From roger at gwch.net Tue Oct 28 10:21:00 2003 From: roger at gwch.net (Grosswiler Roger) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 11:21:00 +0100 (CET) Subject: k3b vs xcdroast In-Reply-To: <1067332267.13867.11.camel@cash.navtek> References: <1067332267.13867.11.camel@cash.navtek> Message-ID: <50062.62.2.21.164.1067336460.squirrel@www.gwch.net> > would appreciate this to, is very ergonomical and ease to use. > I'm not sure if this has been discussed before, but is it possible to > get k3b included instead of xcdroast? > > -- > Johnny Ljunggren > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > From shrek-m at gmx.de Tue Oct 28 10:45:53 2003 From: shrek-m at gmx.de (shrek-m at gmx.de) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 11:45:53 +0100 Subject: OT: groupware in fedora core ? In-Reply-To: <3F9D2400.6060402@gmx.de> References: <3F9D2400.6060402@gmx.de> Message-ID: <3F9E48E1.2020804@gmx.de> > hi, > > i miss a groupware-solution in fedora, > > [...] > what do you think about a groupware in fedora ? > which would you recommend ? joe> Have you tried OpenWebmail(openwebmail.com)? not really ;-) i tried squirrelmail with different plugins: shared-calendars, shared-todos, ... but imo these are no real groupwares. for www.moregroupware.org, you need php, apache, database and you get a real groupware project-management with timesheets, ... user/group-management delegation news notes todos notifies (popup, ...) public/private-calendars webmail ... -- shrek-m From dennis at ausil.us Tue Oct 28 11:04:08 2003 From: dennis at ausil.us (Dennis Gilmore) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 21:04:08 +1000 Subject: Monitor Applet with kernel 2.6 In-Reply-To: <1067271264.1331.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1067271264.1331.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <200310282104.10237.dennis@ausil.us> Once upon a time at band camp Tue, 28 Oct 2003 2:14 am, Will Backman wrote: > I don't know if 2.6 kernel questions are considered unwanted noise, > but... > I usually run the little monitor applet to view CPU, swap, and RAM > usage. Memory and swap always show 0% used now. Is this expected? > > Also, running 400Mhz Intel with 128MB RAM. RH9 was kinda slow in > default config. Fedora Core RC3 is much more responsive, even without > 2.6 kernel. Many thanks to those people who are making new releases > faster. > > -- Will i use KDE and the system monitor utility works as expected with a 2.6 kernel. I dont have gnome installed to test it but i assume it should work ok. I have noticed on my duron 1ghz system that it performs alot better than it was with Shrike or even FC witha 2.4 kernel. the new init scripts also help for a much faster boot time Dennis From dennis at ausil.us Tue Oct 28 11:07:08 2003 From: dennis at ausil.us (Dennis Gilmore) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 21:07:08 +1000 Subject: k3b vs xcdroast In-Reply-To: <1067332267.13867.11.camel@cash.navtek> References: <1067332267.13867.11.camel@cash.navtek> Message-ID: <200310282107.09762.dennis@ausil.us> Once upon a time at band camp Tue, 28 Oct 2003 7:11 pm, Johnny Ljunggren wrote: > I'm not sure if this has been discussed before, but is it possible to > get k3b included instead of xcdroast? k3b is available from fedora.us ive been using it awhile with no problems From yusufg at outblaze.com Tue Oct 28 11:17:13 2003 From: yusufg at outblaze.com (Yusuf Goolamabbas) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 19:17:13 +0800 Subject: Does Fedora kernel/glibc support sysenter Message-ID: <20031028111713.GA22494@outblaze.com> As the mechanism for system calls or does it use the int80 mechanism. Also, is there any benchmark program available which demonstrates how many cycles int80/sysenter take on a machine. I recollect Dave Jone's blog had some benchmark but can't find such a benchmark program Regards, Yusuf -- If you're not using Firebird, you're not surfing the web you're suffering it http://www.mozilla.org/products/firebird/why/ From erik.orebro at telia.com Tue Oct 28 11:24:08 2003 From: erik.orebro at telia.com (Erik Englund) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 12:24:08 +0100 Subject: k3b vs xcdroast In-Reply-To: <200310282107.09762.dennis@ausil.us> References: <1067332267.13867.11.camel@cash.navtek> <200310282107.09762.dennis@ausil.us> Message-ID: <1067340248.19406.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> It would be better the other way around, to include k3b and have xcdroast available at fedora.us. k3b is more aimed for newbies and they usually don't know about fedora.us, but advanced users know about fedora.us and therefore have no problems downloading that. Besides imo k3b is much better cd burner too! Erik On Tue, 2003-10-28 at 12:07, Dennis Gilmore wrote: > Once upon a time at band camp Tue, 28 Oct 2003 7:11 pm, Johnny Ljunggren > wrote: > > I'm not sure if this has been discussed before, but is it possible to > > get k3b included instead of xcdroast? > > k3b is available from fedora.us ive been using it awhile with no problems > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From david.balazic at uni-mb.si Tue Oct 28 11:26:57 2003 From: david.balazic at uni-mb.si (DAVID BALAZIC) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 12:26:57 +0100 Subject: HD 40 GB but 31 GB instead. Message-ID: <01L2D1Q2J2MU004WGI@rcum.uni-mb.si> cantisan wrote: >I installed a HD 40 GB Seagate, I used fdisk to create >one partition with 40 GB, after that I use mkfs to >format the partition, both without any problem. But >instead of 40 GB I only have 31 GB, I tryied again and >the problem persist, anyone can help me ? Please send ut the output of the following commands : dmesg | grep -i hdd cat /proc/ide/hdd/capacity cat /proc/ide/hdd/model cat /proc/ide/hdd/settings fdisk -l tune2fs -l /dev/hdd1 -- David Balazic E-mail : david.balazic at uni-mb.si | living in sLOVEnija home page: http://surf.to/stein -- From itsme_410 at yahoo.com Tue Oct 28 14:10:52 2003 From: itsme_410 at yahoo.com (Globe Trotter) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 06:10:52 -0800 (PST) Subject: flashplayer In-Reply-To: <3F9E1761.8030008@togami.com> Message-ID: <20031028141052.40864.qmail@web40310.mail.yahoo.com> > It is within my plans to add MozillaFirebird as a directory, but in our > earlier discussion at fedora.us we came to a consensus that rejected > "mozilla-firebird" as a directory name and package name because: > > 1) It makes it sound like it is a sub-package of mozilla, which is incorect. This is true but they had to use MozillaFirebird because otherwise they would have legal problems. All the searching and going through expensive lawyers for months did not settle their basic issue that there is a browsing product called Firebird. > 2) MozillaFirebird was the original name, and there was little point is > changing that since under the mozilla branding strategy document of the > time, the browser would eventually become "Mozilla Browser" in order to > appease the database guys. This is way off the mark! Phoenix was the original name, but then Phoenix Technologies makes a BIOS browser so they asked them to find a new name. MozillaFirebird is the new name (after wranglings and legal threats over the Firebird browser). In reality, the Mozilla browser is supposed to go away and MozillaFirebird will become the standalone browser which Mozilla is going to dish out. But it is still a long ways to go (at least a year) and way before MozillaFirebird is released in 1.0 form. > Unless faced with something more convincing, I am not going to add > "mozilla-firebird". Disappointing. > Actually, the glob wildcard that the script currently uses should > actually pull that in. I'm not sure why the script fails with Dag's > package. Can somebody please figure this one out and report back? I am not sure what I should do here to figure out and report back. Thanks! __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/ From whb at ceimaine.org Tue Oct 28 14:15:11 2003 From: whb at ceimaine.org (Will Backman) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 09:15:11 -0500 Subject: up2date errors on latest up2date Message-ID: <1067350510.2226.8.camel@dbxwsd21> Ran up2date up2date --nosig. Still getting the following after up2date -fu --nosig: w3c-libwww-5.4.0-7.i386.rpm ########################## Done. Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/sbin/up2date", line 1187, in ? sys.exit(main() or 0) File "/usr/sbin/up2date", line 765, in main fullUpdate, dryRun=options.dry_run)) File "/usr/sbin/up2date", line 1050, in batchRun batch.run() File "up2dateBatch.py", line 82, in run File "up2dateBatch.py", line 153, in __installPackages File "up2date.py", line 604, in installPackages File "up2date.py", line 173, in getRealHeader rpm.error: public key not trusted From davej at redhat.com Tue Oct 28 14:21:49 2003 From: davej at redhat.com (Dave Jones) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 14:21:49 +0000 Subject: Does Fedora kernel/glibc support sysenter In-Reply-To: <20031028111713.GA22494@outblaze.com> References: <20031028111713.GA22494@outblaze.com> Message-ID: <20031028142149.GD8541@redhat.com> On Tue, Oct 28, 2003 at 07:17:13PM +0800, Yusuf Goolamabbas wrote: > As the mechanism for system calls or does it use the int80 mechanism. int80. Arjan's 2.6 RPM will use sysenter if the CPU supports it. > Also, is there any benchmark program available which demonstrates how > many cycles int80/sysenter take on a machine. I recollect Dave Jone's > blog had some benchmark but can't find such a benchmark program Never trust source code to IBM deskstars.. I used a munged version of a benchmark that Linus posted to Linux-kernel. It's in the archives somewhere, but I've lost my version of it a while back. Dave From felipe_alfaro at linuxmail.org Tue Oct 28 14:37:10 2003 From: felipe_alfaro at linuxmail.org (Felipe Alfaro Solana) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 15:37:10 +0100 Subject: Does Fedora kernel/glibc support sysenter In-Reply-To: <20031028111713.GA22494@outblaze.com> References: <20031028111713.GA22494@outblaze.com> Message-ID: <1067351830.1358.14.camel@teapot.felipe-alfaro.com> On Tue, 2003-10-28 at 12:17, Yusuf Goolamabbas wrote: > As the mechanism for system calls or does it use the int80 mechanism. > Also, is there any benchmark program available which demonstrates how > many cycles int80/sysenter take on a machine. I recollect Dave Jone's > blog had some benchmark but can't find such a benchmark program AFAIK, glibc 2.3.2 does supports both, int80 and sysenter. Also, Fedora's kernel does also support sysenter. From Epps.Aaron at mayo.edu Tue Oct 28 14:36:45 2003 From: Epps.Aaron at mayo.edu (Epps, Aaron M.) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 08:36:45 -0600 Subject: Battery Charge Monitor Message-ID: The battery charge monitor in Fedora doesn't recognize the battery in a Dell Inspiron 4100 as being present, anyone other inspiron 4100 owner's experiencing the same problem? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tjb at unh.edu Tue Oct 28 14:45:27 2003 From: tjb at unh.edu (Thomas J. Baker) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 09:45:27 -0500 Subject: contrib galeon 1.3.10 In-Reply-To: <1067285013.5963.1.camel@wombat.tiptoe.de> References: <1067262007.1296.2.camel@nyarlathotep.fedora> <1067263766.15177.65.camel@gruyere> <1067271071.4808.39.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> <1067284122.18948.4.camel@LORDLINUX.global.shsystem.org> <1067285013.5963.1.camel@wombat.tiptoe.de> Message-ID: <1067352327.3659.14.camel@wintermute.sr.unh.edu> On Mon, 2003-10-27 at 15:03, Nils Philippsen wrote: > On Mon, 2003-10-27 at 20:48, Mark Guzzo wrote: > > > > > > For the sake of completeness, I also packages it and put it up at the > > > usual location/yum repo (signed with my GPG key). > > > > Which is where? :-( > > http://lisas.de/~nils/yum/fedora/0.95/i386/extras/ > > I thought I already had gone on everybody's nerves with plugging this, > but alas I was wrong ;-). > > Nils I have trouble with this feed all the time. Right now I can't contact it at all. 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Dave From jdk-fedora at starport.org Tue Oct 28 14:49:41 2003 From: jdk-fedora at starport.org (JDK) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 09:49:41 -0500 Subject: Network Config In-Reply-To: <1066827871.3547.36.camel@localhost.localdomain>; from paul@frields.com on Wed, Oct 22, 2003 at 09:04:32AM -0400 References: <20031021004104.A6209@starport.org> <1066740075.1863.3.camel@bart.netlyncs.com> <20031022083350.A23452@starport.org> <1066827871.3547.36.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20031028094941.A31107@starport.org> On Wed, Oct 22, 2003 at 09:04:32AM -0400, Paul W. Frields wrote: > On Wed, 2003-10-22 at 08:33, JDK wrote: [...snip...] > > > > Thanks. Can someone tell me what is the Red Hat way to turn on > > ip_forward? Is there a network options item, or do I just need to add > > something to the firewall script? Will the kids PC need a static IP, > > or will if get DHCP from the router once I enable the IP forward? [...snip...] > /etc/sysctl.conf (there's probably a "dummy" placeholder there right > now): > > net.ipv4.ip_forward = 1 > > I think what the Mike Chambers was telling you was that you will want > static IP addressing on the NIC that is networked with the kids' PC. > Note that you will need to make sure you are configuring the right card, > since it can get confusing if what you think is eth1 is actually eth0! > :-) Not to be pedantic, but just in case: generally you would connect > the 2nd NIC in the Linux box and the NIC in the kids' PC to a hub in > between, but you can connect them directly with a crossover Ethernet > cable. (Using a hub instead means, for instance, that [A] you can expand > this little project to encompass more computers later, and [B] you don't > have to spend the extra few minutes to find, buy or make a special > crossover cable.) Thanks to all for the answers. I finally got some time last night, and went with the hub setup. I now have all PC's on the network. The kid's is behind my Linux box, forwarding is working, all traffic is being forced through squid and filtered using Dan's Guardian. Life is good! Thanks again! jdk From dstewart at atl.lmco.com Tue Oct 28 14:56:54 2003 From: dstewart at atl.lmco.com (Doug Stewart) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 09:56:54 -0500 Subject: Battery Charge Monitor In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3F9E83B6.9080809@atl.lmco.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Epps, Aaron M. wrote: | The battery charge monitor in Fedora doesn't recognize the battery | in a Dell Inspiron 4100 as being present, anyone other inspiron 4100 | owner's experiencing the same problem? | I have a 4150 and it works just fine. - -- - ---------- Doug Stewart Systems Administrator/Web Applications Developer Lockheed Martin Advanced Technology Labs dstewart at atl.lmco.com Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/noO2N50Q8DVvcvkRAnwfAJ0fzGqNEyJj3gnHneorTv73oBvz6wCfe0nd 9kRTBx7JEU/fa9iWp9vF0yU= =Fjhc -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From m.a.young at durham.ac.uk Tue Oct 28 14:57:52 2003 From: m.a.young at durham.ac.uk (M A Young) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 14:57:52 +0000 (GMT) Subject: up2date errors on latest up2date In-Reply-To: <1067350510.2226.8.camel@dbxwsd21> References: <1067350510.2226.8.camel@dbxwsd21> Message-ID: On Tue, 28 Oct 2003, Will Backman wrote: > Ran up2date up2date --nosig. > > Still getting the following after up2date -fu --nosig: > w3c-libwww-5.4.0-7.i386.rpm ########################## Done. > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "/usr/sbin/up2date", line 1187, in ? > sys.exit(main() or 0) > File "/usr/sbin/up2date", line 765, in main > fullUpdate, dryRun=options.dry_run)) > File "/usr/sbin/up2date", line 1050, in batchRun > batch.run() > File "up2dateBatch.py", line 82, in run > File "up2dateBatch.py", line 153, in __installPackages > File "up2date.py", line 604, in installPackages > File "up2date.py", line 173, in getRealHeader > rpm.error: public key not trusted Looks like bug https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=108191 Michael Young From Epps.Aaron at mayo.edu Tue Oct 28 15:02:34 2003 From: Epps.Aaron at mayo.edu (Epps, Aaron M.) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 09:02:34 -0600 Subject: Official Fedora Yum Repository? Message-ID: Is there an official Yum Repository for Fedora/Rawhide? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ted at cypress.com Tue Oct 28 15:05:34 2003 From: ted at cypress.com (Thomas Dodd) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 09:05:34 -0600 Subject: Newer ATI Radeon, ATI FireGL, and Nvidia GeForce/Quadro hardware support In-Reply-To: <20031023162845.49865.qmail@web40308.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20031023162845.49865.qmail@web40308.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3F9E85BE.9070000@cypress.com> Globe Trotter wrote: > thqnk you! sorry did not mean to be rude. By the way, netiquette says that a > follow-up message should be at the end of the post. I disagree with this, but > try to follow it in the rare instances I remember. Hopefully you'll get better at that in time. > Also, I did not have a lot to write about, so kept my response short. So keep the quoted part short. There was no nee to quote ALL of Mike's message to say thanks. Just the last 3-4 lines would have been enough, or the part about a particular chip. Notice you did it again here. > --- Jesse Keating wrote: > >>On Thursday 23 October 2003 09:13, Globe Trotter wrote: >> >>>Thank you very much! Btw, will the ATI Radeon R300 NG FireGL X1 be Reread the original message. Is this the chip in question? >>> ATI FireGL X1 NG (AGP) Sounds like it to me, since the R350s are listed seperately. Is there another FireGL X1 NG, that doesn't use the R300 chip? >>>supported? What do you mean "supported"? 2D sure, 3D, probably not soon. Join Mike's xfree86 list (xfree86-list at redhat.com) and ask there, or ask on the DRI lists(https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/dri-devel) >> Why quote your message when responding to Jesse? It's not at all relavent to Jesse's (diverging) topic. -Thomas From ryanpg at yahoo.com Tue Oct 28 15:06:00 2003 From: ryanpg at yahoo.com (Ryan G.) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 07:06:00 -0800 (PST) Subject: why can't I edit applications:/// In-Reply-To: <20031028144301.19976.18245.Mailman@listman.back-rdu.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20031028150600.83785.qmail@web10009.mail.yahoo.com> Here's one I'm just now getting around to figuring out. I'm unable to add launchers, create folders or move around items in the nautilus applications:/// window. This seems to be a major problem since gnome doesn't provide any kind of menu editor. Today in a relevent gnome list I read this; "RH has crippled gnome by disabling editin of applications:///" So is this true and if so what's the justification. I know this isn't all redhats doing but currently menus on the panel are very buggy and not feature full at all and with the absence of a menu editor (it's been years now hasn't it?) it sure seems like editing applications:// would be nice. On an unrelated note, is there a way I can alt-tab my way through windows on ALL workspaces? thanks all, you rock! -ry ===== --r-- From nosp at xades.com Tue Oct 28 15:07:25 2003 From: nosp at xades.com (nosp) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 15:07:25 +0000 Subject: Official Fedora Yum Repository? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1067353645.7973.13.camel@earth.xades.com> On Tue, 2003-10-28 at 15:02, Epps, Aaron M. wrote: > Is there an official Yum Repository for Fedora/Rawhide? [base] name=Base baseurl=http://ftp.redhat.com/pub/redhat/linux/rawhide From don.vanco at agilysys.com Tue Oct 28 15:09:46 2003 From: don.vanco at agilysys.com (Vanco, Don) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 10:09:46 -0500 Subject: OT: the LG drive issue @ L-M Message-ID: FYI - Mandrake has fixed the LG drive destruction issue - the problem is with LG "reusing" a command against the ATAPI spec. Details at: http://www.mandrakelinux.com/en/lgerrata.php3 ....but basically, LG used the "FLUSH_CACHE" command as a means to write to the device flash (as opposed to flushing cache, which it does not have), and the L-M kernels were issuing that command. Don From nosp at xades.com Tue Oct 28 15:17:57 2003 From: nosp at xades.com (nosp) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 15:17:57 +0000 Subject: oo.org-1.1.0-3 wants mozilla 1.4, but I don't Message-ID: <1067354277.7973.16.camel@earth.xades.com> Anyone figure out why openoffice.org-1.1.0-3 wants mozilla? I'd like to remove mozilla but don't want to upset oo.org... From thepiratekings at yahoo.com Tue Oct 28 15:22:28 2003 From: thepiratekings at yahoo.com (The Pirate Kings) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 07:22:28 -0800 (PST) Subject: undefined symbol: FT_Get_BDF_Property Message-ID: <20031028152228.1219.qmail@web60203.mail.yahoo.com> I've had a few problems since upgrading my RH9 box to Fedora. One problem is that I can't run a few applications (notably synaptic and xchat) because there's some sort of problem with a fontconf library. I get this message: xchat: relocation error: /usr/lib/libfontconfig.so.1: undefined symbol: FT_Get_BDF_Property Googling led me to thinkt hat fontconfig or fontconfig-devel might not be installed, but they're both installed and current to version 2.2.1-4. The other problem I'm having is that trying to run Starcraft (Brood War) under Winex 3.3 works, but some sounds don't play after a little while, and some sounds are distorted. I imagine the Transgaming folks will eventually get their heads around this, but if anyone knows a workaround in the meantime I'd appreciate it. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/ From paul at all-the-johnsons.co.uk Tue Oct 28 15:24:02 2003 From: paul at all-the-johnsons.co.uk (PFJ) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 15:24:02 +0000 Subject: oo.org-1.1.0-3 wants mozilla 1.4, but I don't In-Reply-To: <1067354277.7973.16.camel@earth.xades.com> References: <1067354277.7973.16.camel@earth.xades.com> Message-ID: <1067354641.5739.64.camel@ahnews.music.salford.ac.uk> Hi, > Anyone figure out why openoffice.org-1.1.0-3 wants mozilla? I'd like to > remove mozilla but don't want to upset oo.org... There should be no reason why it should need Moz. The version from OOo definately doesn't. Has RH done something silly? TTFN Paul -- Free your mind to a time where a company does not have control Free your mind to a choice of applications which you can control Free your mind from the closed world of those who seek total power Free your mind to the wonderful world of free software From david.balazic at uni-mb.si Tue Oct 28 15:26:52 2003 From: david.balazic at uni-mb.si (DAVID BALAZIC) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 16:26:52 +0100 Subject: Gimp initial setup Message-ID: <01L2DA5S3O8Y004QHD@rcum.uni-mb.si> Gimp initial setupWhen running gimp for the first time, it run a wizard for some settings. Part of it is creating some files and dirs by running some shell comands, like mkdir and cp. The stdout of the commands is shown and on the botton it says : Did you notice any error messages in the lines above? If not, installation was successful! Otherwise, quit and investigate the possible reason... Is this some insider joke ? Or do the GIMP developers not know of the existance of return codes ? Version is gimp-1.2.3-20.2 ( fedora test 3 system ). ( hmm, gimp.org has v 1.2.5 ) There is also a screen for manually measuring the display DPI. It shows two rulers, on each of them is a black triangle arrow that can be moved by the mouse. What is the purpose of that arrow ? Regards, David From hoyt at cavtel.net Tue Oct 28 15:27:23 2003 From: hoyt at cavtel.net (HoytDuff) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 10:27:23 -0500 Subject: k3b vs xcdroast In-Reply-To: <1067340248.19406.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1067332267.13867.11.camel@cash.navtek> <200310282107.09762.dennis@ausil.us> <1067340248.19406.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <200310281027.23959.hoyt@cavtel.net> On Tuesday 28 October 2003 06:24 am, Erik Englund wrote: > Besides imo > k3b is much better cd burner too! And will have DVD support as well. -- Hoyt From paul at all-the-johnsons.co.uk Tue Oct 28 15:27:51 2003 From: paul at all-the-johnsons.co.uk (PFJ) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 15:27:51 +0000 Subject: undefined symbol: FT_Get_BDF_Property In-Reply-To: <20031028152228.1219.qmail@web60203.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20031028152228.1219.qmail@web60203.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1067354870.5733.66.camel@ahnews.music.salford.ac.uk> Hi, > xchat: relocation error: /usr/lib/libfontconfig.so.1: > undefined symbol: FT_Get_BDF_Property Sounds like a freetype problem more than anything. I've seen it a few times with Scibus users. TTFN Paul -- Free your mind to a time where a company does not have control Free your mind to a choice of applications which you can control Free your mind from the closed world of those who seek total power Free your mind to the wonderful world of free software From nosp at xades.com Tue Oct 28 15:31:56 2003 From: nosp at xades.com (nosp) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 15:31:56 +0000 Subject: oo.org-1.1.0-3 wants mozilla 1.4, but I don't In-Reply-To: <1067354641.5739.64.camel@ahnews.music.salford.ac.uk> References: <1067354277.7973.16.camel@earth.xades.com> <1067354641.5739.64.camel@ahnews.music.salford.ac.uk> Message-ID: <1067355116.7973.23.camel@earth.xades.com> On Tue, 2003-10-28 at 15:24, PFJ wrote: > There should be no reason why it should need Moz. The version from OOo > definately doesn't. Has RH done something silly? Maybe it's OO.org's fault? --- # rpm -q --changelog openoffice.org * Fri Oct 17 2003 Dan Williams 1.1.0-3 [snip] - Remove Mozilla zipfiles from OOo sources to reduce bloat [snip] From david.balazic at uni-mb.si Tue Oct 28 15:34:44 2003 From: david.balazic at uni-mb.si (DAVID BALAZIC) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 16:34:44 +0100 Subject: Mouse redetected Message-ID: <01L2DAETNI3S004QHD@rcum.uni-mb.si> Around the third boot of a fresh FCT3 installation, kudzu "discovered" that I have "added" a PS/2 mouse. I accepted the offer to configure it. It was detected and working fine since the first install though. It also worked OK after this redetection. I did not change anything to trigger this. The only thing was playing with th XFree86 driver options ( gfx card options , not the input/mouse options ). Regards, David From hoyt at cavtel.net Tue Oct 28 15:34:59 2003 From: hoyt at cavtel.net (HoytDuff) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 10:34:59 -0500 Subject: why can't I edit applications:/// In-Reply-To: <20031028150600.83785.qmail@web10009.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20031028150600.83785.qmail@web10009.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200310281034.59876.hoyt@cavtel.net> On Tuesday 28 October 2003 10:06 am, Ryan G. wrote: > This seems to be a major problem > since gnome doesn't provide any kind of menu editor. Does anyone familiar with Gnome development know when this might happen? I see they finally got around to improving the file dialog. 8) -- Hoyt From rengland at europa.com Tue Oct 28 15:40:02 2003 From: rengland at europa.com (Richard England) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 07:40:02 -0800 Subject: Gimp initial setup In-Reply-To: <01L2DA5S3O8Y004QHD@rcum.uni-mb.si> References: <01L2DA5S3O8Y004QHD@rcum.uni-mb.si> Message-ID: <3F9E8DD2.4020706@europa.com> DAVID BALAZIC wrote: >Gimp initial setupWhen running gimp for the first time, it run a wizard for some settings. >Part of it is creating some files and dirs by running some shell comands, >like mkdir and cp. The stdout of the commands is shown and on the botton it >says : >Did you notice any error messages in the lines above? >If not, installation was successful! >Otherwise, quit and investigate the possible reason... > >Is this some insider joke ? >Or do the GIMP developers not know of the existance of return codes ? > >Version is gimp-1.2.3-20.2 ( fedora test 3 system ). >( hmm, gimp.org has v 1.2.5 ) > >There is also a screen for manually measuring the display DPI. >It shows two rulers, on each of them is a black triangle arrow that >can be moved by the mouse. What is the purpose of that arrow ? > >Regards, >David > > >-- >fedora-test-list mailing list >fedora-test-list at redhat.com >http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > > In complex installation scripts it is not always possible to trap the error codes of nested script invocations or utilites. I'm sure this is just a last level of checking by the ever flexible and much more astute human involved in the installation. Move the "arrows" until the measurement on the screen match the comparable measurement on a ruler placed on your display device. When they are both set, accept the settings with the button provided in the lower right corner. From david.balazic at uni-mb.si Tue Oct 28 15:41:54 2003 From: david.balazic at uni-mb.si (DAVID BALAZIC) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 16:41:54 +0100 Subject: Interactive startup not working ? Message-ID: <01L2DAKER58I004QHD@rcum.uni-mb.si> In fedora test 3 , if I press the 'i' key when the "press I for interactive startup" message is printed during boot, nothing happens. The boot proceeds in standard mode, not interactive ( with the confirmations ). Is it needed to also press ENTER after 'i' ? IIRC, just 'i' was sufficient in older releases. Regards, David From david.balazic at uni-mb.si Tue Oct 28 15:44:10 2003 From: david.balazic at uni-mb.si (DAVID BALAZIC) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 16:44:10 +0100 Subject: Trimming mount points in anaconda Message-ID: <01L2DAPRX4P4004QHD@rcum.uni-mb.si> during gui install I added partition with the mount point "///var". /etc/fstab now looks like this : LABEL=/ / ext3 defaults 1 1 LABEL=///var ///var ext3 defaults 1 2 LABEL=/boot /boot ext3 defaults 1 2 It is only cosmetic, but "/var" as a mount point would look nicer. Anaconda ( disk druid ) also refused "///" as a valid mount point. I disagree with that, "///" is a valid mount point. Regards, David PS: This is on Fedora test3 From shrek-m at gmx.de Tue Oct 28 15:55:31 2003 From: shrek-m at gmx.de (shrek-m at gmx.de) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 16:55:31 +0100 Subject: OT: the LG drive issue @ L-M In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3F9E9173.3050504@gmx.de> Vanco, Don wrote: >FYI - Mandrake has fixed the LG drive destruction issue - the problem is >with LG "reusing" a command against the ATAPI spec. Details at: >http://www.mandrakelinux.com/en/lgerrata.php3 >....but basically, LG used the "FLUSH_CACHE" command as a means to write to >the device flash (as opposed to flushing cache, which it does not have), and >the L-M kernels were issuing that command. > > LG-based CD-ROMs reported to be unaffected: * LG GMA-4020B DVD-RW * LG GCC-4120B CD-RW/DVD * LG CED-8080B DVD/CD-R/RW/ROM * LG CED-8120B CD-RW * HL-DT-ST GCC-4480B CD-RW/DVD (make sure you use firmware 1.01 not 1.00) * HL-DT-ST GDR8186B DVD-ROM * HL-DT-ST GCE-8240B CD-RW * HL-DT-ST GCE-8481B CD-RW * HL-DT-ST GCR-8520B CD-ROM * HL-DT-ST GCE-8520B * CRD-8322B * CRD-8400B * CRD-8400C * CRD-8402B * CRD-8480C * GCR-8481B * CRD-8482B * GCC-4480B -- shrek-m From smearp at mac.com Tue Oct 28 15:56:49 2003 From: smearp at mac.com (Sean Earp) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 07:56:49 -0800 Subject: Updated ISO images? In-Reply-To: <03c101c39d24$4cecb2b0$030a0a0a@NATASHA> References: <03c101c39d24$4cecb2b0$030a0a0a@NATASHA> Message-ID: <5751FE42-095F-11D8-8B68-000393C34F68@mac.com> On Oct 27, 2003, at 11:22 PM, Don Russell wrote: > I got the ISO images for FCT3 and installed it on two machines.... > ? > The laptop install went "OK", but the update utility doesn't work, it > hangs during checking dependencies etc. > ? > The desktop install fails miserably.... choking big time with rpmdb > fatal errors during the package install. > ? > Question is... are there newer ISO images I can d/l and try again? > ? > Thanks, > Don Don- That would probably be the most reported bug of FCT3... There is an anaconda update that you can download at . Create a floppy from the image file, boot to the installation CD, put the floppy in, and then type "linux updates" (might be "linux update") It should update anacona on the fly and fix the problem. If it does not, please reflect your experiences at -Sean GPG public key: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/enriched Size: 1662 bytes Desc: not available URL: From david.balazic at uni-mb.si Tue Oct 28 16:02:00 2003 From: david.balazic at uni-mb.si (DAVID BALAZIC) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 17:02:00 +0100 Subject: Gimp initial setup Message-ID: <01L2DBACE502004QHD@rcum.uni-mb.si> Richard England wrote: >DAVID BALAZIC wrote: > >>Gimp initial setupWhen running gimp for the first time, it run a wizard for some settings. >>Part of it is creating some files and dirs by running some shell comands, >>like mkdir and cp. The stdout of the commands is shown and on the botton it >>says : >>Did you notice any error messages in the lines above? >>If not, installation was successful! >>Otherwise, quit and investigate the possible reason... >> >>Is this some insider joke ? >>Or do the GIMP developers not know of the existance of return codes ? >> >>Version is gimp-1.2.3-20.2 ( fedora test 3 system ). >>( hmm, gimp.org has v 1.2.5 ) >> >>There is also a screen for manually measuring the display DPI. >>It shows two rulers, on each of them is a black triangle arrow that >>can be moved by the mouse. What is the purpose of that arrow ? >> >In complex installation scripts it is not always possible to trap the complex scripts ? It is just a cuple of "mkdir"s and a few "cp"s. >error codes of nested script invocations or utilites. I'm sure this is It is always possible to trap error codes. Especially with free software where you can not only fix your own code, but also every other. >just a last level of checking by the ever flexible and much more astute >human involved in the installation. > >Move the "arrows" until the measurement on the screen match the >comparable measurement on a ruler placed on your display device. When >they are both set, accept the settings with the button provided in the >lower right corner. No, I tried moving the arrows, and they do no affect the result. Besides, if it were like you said, why doesn't the text on the screen say so ? -- David Balazic E-mail : david.balazic at uni-mb.si | living in sLOVEnija home page: http://surf.to/stein -- From janina at rednote.net Tue Oct 28 16:11:52 2003 From: janina at rednote.net (Janina Sajka) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 11:11:52 -0500 Subject: Speakup in kernel In-Reply-To: <200310212035.h9LKZtx14722@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <20031021195509.GM14973@rednote.net> <200310212035.h9LKZtx14722@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20031028161152.GE22946@rednote.net> Alan Cox writes: > From: Alan Cox > > > Oh, it's clear RH has no intention. What is now also clear is that the > > reasoning is highly suspect. In fact, prejudicial against persons with > > disabilities. Not hard to make that case from this thread. > > The open software world is built around doing things right. The question > isn't about "do we support blind users" its about "how do we do it right". > > The questions about things like the removal of serial ports from new PC's > have to be answered meaningfully > I would certainly not disagree about doing things right. I am, however, concerned about too great an emphasis on what might happen tomorrow when the need today is evident and a popular approach readily at hand. So, in the hope of insuring that this issue move forward appropriately and expeditously ... 1.) Does Kirk now have a list of immediate concerns in sufficient detail to respond with appropriate technical detail? 2.) Is that list comprehensive? I ask these two questions because the email on which I was cc'd, while providing a list, did not provide specifics. In particular, the security concerns regarding /proc were not specified. Furthermore, in his response, he indicated that he had not received any specifics that documented a security issue--only the vague concern that use of /proc might do so. 3.) Do you have any objection to my pinging on this issue monthly? > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list -- Janina Sajka Email: janina at rednote.net Phone: (202) 408-8175 Director, Technology Research and Development American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) http://www.afb.org Chair, Accessibility Work Group Free Standards Group http://accessibility.freestandards.org From warren at togami.com Tue Oct 28 16:13:53 2003 From: warren at togami.com (Warren Togami) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 06:13:53 -1000 Subject: flashplayer In-Reply-To: <20031028141052.40864.qmail@web40310.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20031028141052.40864.qmail@web40310.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3F9E95C1.3010203@togami.com> Globe Trotter wrote: > > This is way off the mark! Phoenix was the original name, but then Phoenix Not really, because Phoenix *was* supported when this package was made. Read the script. > >>Unless faced with something more convincing, I am not going to add >>"mozilla-firebird". > > > Disappointing. > Not so, because of the below. > >>Actually, the glob wildcard that the script currently uses should >>actually pull that in. I'm not sure why the script fails with Dag's >>package. Can somebody please figure this one out and report back? > > > I am not sure what I should do here to figure out and report back. > Thanks. Warren From paul at all-the-johnsons.co.uk Tue Oct 28 16:15:20 2003 From: paul at all-the-johnsons.co.uk (PFJ) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 16:15:20 +0000 Subject: Bug 104492 - panel drawers In-Reply-To: <20031028161152.GE22946@rednote.net> References: <20031021195509.GM14973@rednote.net> <200310212035.h9LKZtx14722@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <20031028161152.GE22946@rednote.net> Message-ID: <1067357719.5740.69.camel@ahnews.music.salford.ac.uk> Hi, Just checked bugzilla and it seems this problem has been fixed in the gnome-2-4 cvs. If this is the case, any chance of an rpm being built as the dead drawers are a pain! TTFN Paul -- Free your mind to a time where a company does not have control Free your mind to a choice of applications which you can control Free your mind from the closed world of those who seek total power Free your mind to the wonderful world of free software From david.balazic at uni-mb.si Tue Oct 28 16:26:39 2003 From: david.balazic at uni-mb.si (DAVID BALAZIC) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 17:26:39 +0100 Subject: State of multiple gfx cards support ? Message-ID: <01L2DC9834K2004SHX@rcum.uni-mb.si> What is the status of multiple gfx card support ? redhat-config-xfree86-0.9.15-1 only detects my radeon 8500LE AGP card, but not the SiS 6326 PCI card. Regards, David From elwoo at videotron.ca Tue Oct 28 16:35:43 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 11:35:43 -0500 Subject: Flashplayer In-Reply-To: <20031027224200.73744.qmail@web20710.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20031027224200.73744.qmail@web20710.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200310281135.43613.elwoo@videotron.ca> On October 27, 2003 05:42 pm, Malcom Uel , > wrote: > >No. Are you having problems installing it? > > Well not as far as I know. I download it, unpack it, > cd to the directory and use the install. Then I fire > up mozilla. And it just does not work. It's installed > to my .mozilla file in my home directory. Any ideas? I installed the rpm package, which you can get from a location such as this: www.dpi.ufv.br/downloads/linux/ It sounds like you are missing sone libraries. I guess you didn't get any errors when installing from the tarball? Elton ;-) -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From michael.yohe at us.army.mil Tue Oct 28 16:36:01 2003 From: michael.yohe at us.army.mil (Michael Lee Yohe) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 10:36:01 -0600 Subject: State of multiple gfx cards support ? In-Reply-To: <01L2DC9834K2004SHX@rcum.uni-mb.si> References: <01L2DC9834K2004SHX@rcum.uni-mb.si> Message-ID: <1067358961.1693.2.camel@bigputer> > What is the status of multiple gfx card support ? > redhat-config-xfree86-0.9.15-1 only detects my radeon 8500LE AGP card, but > not the SiS 6326 PCI card. Consider searching for this in Bugzilla (or filing as a separate bug anyway). That's the best way to get this RFE in the chute. -- Michael Lee Yohe U.S. Army Aviation and Missile Command Software Engineering Directorate From elwoo at videotron.ca Tue Oct 28 16:39:05 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 11:39:05 -0500 Subject: would someone kindly clarify this paragaph,please (RH business model) In-Reply-To: <3F9D8F84.3B4D6262@gmx.de> References: <200310270023.53972.elwoo@videotron.ca> <200310271218.08389.elwoo@videotron.ca> <3F9D8F84.3B4D6262@gmx.de> Message-ID: <200310281139.05820.elwoo@videotron.ca> On October 27, 2003 04:35 pm, Martin Stricker , > wrote: > > 2) Either I strip Red Hat's trademarks from the code, or licence such > > marks from Red Hat. AND clearly indicate this has been done. > > 3) Charge only for the _physical_ media: CD or DVD disks, printed > > manual(s), container. > > You may redistribute the binaries from Fedora Core because Red Hat does > allow so. But you may *not* call it Fedora, Red Hat or other trademarks. > The GPL is about source code, not trademarks or names. By the way, Red > Hat decided you may not redistrinute the binaries of RHEL, but you could > compile the source yourself and distribute those binaries (of course > with another name). Red Hat isn't even required to make the source ... as per my point number 2) above... I guess I can then say with confidence that I *do* understand the GPL in general, and also as it relates to Red Hat's linux distribution. Elton ;-) -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From janina at rednote.net Tue Oct 28 17:06:05 2003 From: janina at rednote.net (Janina Sajka) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 12:06:05 -0500 Subject: Please tell me how I am to know when grub is available to me? In-Reply-To: <200310232232.h9NMWcZ10009@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <200310232232.h9NMWcZ10009@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20031028170605.GH22946@rednote.net> Hi, Alan: Alan Cox writes: > From: Alan Cox > > > I read some Grub documentation and I think there are no > > way to know... Is it true Alan ? > > I am not aware of any way to do this. How does this work with other tools > like lilo -? In lilo we simply create a text file for /boot/message and drop a couple of Ctrl-G chars in it. Number of Ctrl-g chars = number of beeps you hear. Very definite. PS: The suggestion to put Ctrl-g in titles under grub doesn't seem to work. Seems you get the beep AFTER pressing enter, which is quite useless, of course. > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list -- Janina Sajka Email: janina at rednote.net Phone: (202) 408-8175 Director, Technology Research and Development American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) http://www.afb.org Chair, Accessibility Work Group Free Standards Group http://accessibility.freestandards.org From janina at rednote.net Tue Oct 28 17:14:37 2003 From: janina at rednote.net (Janina Sajka) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 12:14:37 -0500 Subject: An end to the GRUB/LILO threads... In-Reply-To: <1066854659.7821.17.camel@mirkwood.devel.redhat.com> References: <1066854659.7821.17.camel@mirkwood.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20031028171436.GI22946@rednote.net> Jeremy Katz writes: > From: Jeremy Katz > 3) The a11y question, but the comments about placing ^G's in the title > should make that moot I think, as that's essentially what you do with > lilo as well. Ahem, comments are not testing and are no substitute for it ... Turns out that suggestion doesn't work as the beep happens AFTER you press enter and start the kernel boot. Rather defeats the purpose. There were also other issues on my short list which I'm not convinced are adequately addressed. Furthermore, to globalize the response, we need to gather any other requirements. I'll try to do that in the near term. > > Jeremy > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list -- Janina Sajka Email: janina at rednote.net Phone: (202) 408-8175 Director, Technology Research and Development American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) http://www.afb.org Chair, Accessibility Work Group Free Standards Group http://accessibility.freestandards.org From maxer1 at xmission.com Tue Oct 28 17:14:03 2003 From: maxer1 at xmission.com (Frank Jacobberger) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 10:14:03 -0700 Subject: RHN-applet states 30 after 10-28 push to rawhide Message-ID: <3F9EA3DB.70504@xmission.com> RHN-applet states 30 updates still after the 10-28 push to rawhide this am? Anything to do? RaXeT From ms-nospam-0306 at arcor.de Tue Oct 28 17:20:27 2003 From: ms-nospam-0306 at arcor.de (Michael Schwendt) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 18:20:27 +0100 Subject: contrib galeon 1.3.10 In-Reply-To: <1067352327.3659.14.camel@wintermute.sr.unh.edu> References: <1067262007.1296.2.camel@nyarlathotep.fedora> <1067263766.15177.65.camel@gruyere> <1067271071.4808.39.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> <1067284122.18948.4.camel@LORDLINUX.global.shsystem.org> <1067285013.5963.1.camel@wombat.tiptoe.de> <1067352327.3659.14.camel@wintermute.sr.unh.edu> Message-ID: <20031028182027.5036b7b0.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de> On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 09:45:27 -0500, Thomas J. Baker wrote: > > http://lisas.de/~nils/yum/fedora/0.95/i386/extras/ > > > > I thought I already had gone on everybody's nerves with plugging this, > > but alas I was wrong ;-). > > > > Nils > > I have trouble with this feed all the time. Right now I can't contact it > at all. 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Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From veillard at redhat.com Tue Oct 28 17:25:48 2003 From: veillard at redhat.com (Daniel Veillard) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 12:25:48 -0500 Subject: RHN-applet states 30 after 10-28 push to rawhide In-Reply-To: <3F9EA3DB.70504@xmission.com>; from maxer1@xmission.com on Tue, Oct 28, 2003 at 10:14:03AM -0700 References: <3F9EA3DB.70504@xmission.com> Message-ID: <20031028122548.D23901@redhat.com> On Tue, Oct 28, 2003 at 10:14:03AM -0700, Frank Jacobberger wrote: > RHN-applet states 30 updates still after the 10-28 push to rawhide this am? > > Anything to do? I don't understand. Did you launch up2date ? Did up2date upgraded the set of packages sucessfully ? The only problem I can think of is that up2date seems to have a slower strategy to recheck the repository contents than the applet does and I have seen it stating that the system was up-to-date because it used its own cached copy of the set of packages availbale on the repository. But I'm unable to link that clearly from what you're stating. Daniel -- Daniel Veillard | Red Hat Network https://rhn.redhat.com/ veillard at redhat.com | libxml GNOME XML XSLT toolkit http://xmlsoft.org/ http://veillard.com/ | Rpmfind RPM search engine http://rpmfind.net/ From maxer1 at xmission.com Tue Oct 28 17:40:27 2003 From: maxer1 at xmission.com (Frank Jacobberger) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 10:40:27 -0700 Subject: RHN-applet states 30 after 10-28 push to rawhide In-Reply-To: <20031028122548.D23901@redhat.com> References: <3F9EA3DB.70504@xmission.com> <20031028122548.D23901@redhat.com> Message-ID: <3F9EAA0B.5010304@xmission.com> Daniel Veillard wrote: >On Tue, Oct 28, 2003 at 10:14:03AM -0700, Frank Jacobberger wrote: > > >>RHN-applet states 30 updates still after the 10-28 push to rawhide this am? >> >>Anything to do? >> >> > > I don't understand. Did you launch up2date ? Did up2date upgraded the >set of packages sucessfully ? > The only problem I can think of is that up2date seems to have a slower >strategy to recheck the repository contents than the applet does and I have >seen it stating that the system was up-to-date because it used its own cached >copy of the set of packages availbale on the repository. But I'm unable to >link that clearly from what you're stating. > >Daniel > > I launched up2date and the packages upgraded yesterday and today (28th) yet gnome panel notify is where I'm still getting the 30 updates available. Sorry for the confusion. RaXeT From elwoo at videotron.ca Tue Oct 28 17:42:08 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 12:42:08 -0500 Subject: flashplayer In-Reply-To: <20031028060717.54622.qmail@web20709.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20031028060717.54622.qmail@web20709.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200310281242.08947.elwoo@videotron.ca> On October 28, 2003 01:07 am, Malcom Uel , > wrote: > I tried to install. But it seems to need a dependency > that was updated. Now should I attempt to install or ... so you need to get and install the needed libraries, if it ( the installer) is still complaining... > should I try to work it out with mozilla(Basically I > mean that the plugins are actually present in the > /home/user/.mozilla folder. And it just seems that Sounds like you installed as user, instead of installing as root ... the *preferred* method, since it makes the plugin avaliable to all other users. HTH & cheers, Elton ;-) -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From elwoo at videotron.ca Tue Oct 28 17:47:48 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 12:47:48 -0500 Subject: nautilus hang In-Reply-To: <1067328173.1730.45.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <20031027192649.3737.qmail@web10005.mail.yahoo.com> <200310271439.53864.elwoo@videotron.ca> <1067328173.1730.45.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <200310281247.48456.elwoo@videotron.ca> On October 28, 2003 03:02 am, Alexander Larsson , > wrote: > > > If I destroy the non-responsive window, nautilus dies and then > > > restarts. Seems like this is an issue when viewing directories with > > > lots of folders but not such a issue with directories that have lots of > > > files (viewing /dev causes no problems). > > > > > > Is it a bug? > > > > See: > > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=107652 > > Kindly add comments, and observations ... > > Elton, I know that you don't like this crash you're having, but could > you please stop refering to it on every unrelated nautilus issue > reported. It is *not* easier for us to fix a bug if the bugzilla entry > is filled with unrelated comments. Sorry, I thought it was related, since my bug report deals with viewing contents of the directories, and this sounds so very simliar... ... my apologies, I certainly do NOT want to complicate matters for you the RH engineers ... Elton -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From veillard at redhat.com Tue Oct 28 17:50:11 2003 From: veillard at redhat.com (Daniel Veillard) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 12:50:11 -0500 Subject: RHN-applet states 30 after 10-28 push to rawhide In-Reply-To: <3F9EAA0B.5010304@xmission.com>; from maxer1@xmission.com on Tue, Oct 28, 2003 at 10:40:27AM -0700 References: <3F9EA3DB.70504@xmission.com> <20031028122548.D23901@redhat.com> <3F9EAA0B.5010304@xmission.com> Message-ID: <20031028125011.G23901@redhat.com> On Tue, Oct 28, 2003 at 10:40:27AM -0700, Frank Jacobberger wrote: > Daniel Veillard wrote: > > I don't understand. Did you launch up2date ? Did up2date upgraded the > >set of packages sucessfully ? > > The only problem I can think of is that up2date seems to have a slower > >strategy to recheck the repository contents than the applet does and I have > >seen it stating that the system was up-to-date because it used its own cached > >copy of the set of packages availbale on the repository. But I'm unable to > >link that clearly from what you're stating. > > > I launched up2date and the packages upgraded yesterday and today (28th) > yet gnome panel notify is where I'm still getting the 30 updates > available. Sorry for the confusion. This is still unsufficient for me to even try to diagnose what's happening. Take a precise example of a package, what's the version installed, what's available on the server and what the applet, rpm and up2date reports about them. Daniel -- Daniel Veillard | Red Hat Network https://rhn.redhat.com/ veillard at redhat.com | libxml GNOME XML XSLT toolkit http://xmlsoft.org/ http://veillard.com/ | Rpmfind RPM search engine http://rpmfind.net/ From mharris at redhat.com Tue Oct 28 18:02:42 2003 From: mharris at redhat.com (Mike A. Harris) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 13:02:42 -0500 (EST) Subject: Newer ATI Radeon, ATI FireGL, and Nvidia GeForce/Quadro hardware support In-Reply-To: <1066786368.6729.3.camel@keelie.tampabay.rr.com> References: <1066786368.6729.3.camel@keelie.tampabay.rr.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 21 Oct 2003, James Drabb wrote: >> This document concerns the current state of the XFree86 video >> driver support for ATI Radeon, FireGL, and Nvidia GeForce and >> Quadro video hardware which is present in Red Hat rawhide, and >> the current Fedora Core OS test release. I'm posting this in >> order to solicit feedback, and also to get more people involved >> in reporting bugs and also notifying Red Hat and myself of any >> missing hardware support, etc. for these 2 video drivers. > > >Are there any plans to distribute the binary modules with Fedora Core? >This way, when ever a new kernel is put out, the needed binaries for >NVidia and ATI would be included. Or is there a Free only code for >Fedora, similar to Debian? Fedora is completely comprised of OSS software, and the project's mandated goals state that clearly. -- Mike A. Harris ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris OS Systems Engineer - XFree86 maintainer - Red Hat From mharris at redhat.com Tue Oct 28 18:04:13 2003 From: mharris at redhat.com (Mike A. Harris) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 13:04:13 -0500 (EST) Subject: Newer ATI Radeon, ATI FireGL, and Nvidia GeForce/Quadro hardware support In-Reply-To: <20031022123221.34676.qmail@web11007.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20031022123221.34676.qmail@web11007.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 22 Oct 2003, Michael Smith wrote: >Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 05:32:21 -0700 (PDT) >From: Michael Smith >To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >List-Id: For testers of Red Hat Linux beta releases > >Subject: Re: Newer ATI Radeon, ATI FireGL, > and Nvidia GeForce/Quadro hardware support > >Mike, > >My motherboard has an ATI chipset with a Radeon IGP >320, so I removed my Rage 128 AGP card to try out the >radeon driver. The driver seems to work all right with >the IGP - no noticable problems. > >Results of running glxgears from a terminal window, >with an Athlon 1800: > > 24 bpp 16 bpp >IGP 208 291 >r-128 561 1009 > >Guess I'll stick with the Rage for now. Radeon IGP does not have 3D acceleration support currently and wont have it in XFree86 officially until probably 4.5.0. There are experimental patches out there for brave end users to play with however, but they wont be included in our OS until they're considered stable by DRI and X developers. -- Mike A. Harris ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris OS Systems Engineer - XFree86 maintainer - Red Hat From bcs at metacon.ca Tue Oct 28 18:06:20 2003 From: bcs at metacon.ca (Ben Steeves) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 14:06:20 -0400 Subject: Battery Charge Monitor In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1067364380.15584.15.camel@zephyr> On Tue, 2003-10-28 at 10:36, Epps, Aaron M. wrote: > The battery charge monitor in Fedora doesn't recognize the battery > in a Dell Inspiron 4100 as being present, anyone other inspiron 4100 > owner's experiencing the same problem? I see a similar effect when I have ACPI (kernel param "acpi=on") in my IBM Thinkpad T30. Turning off ACPI fixed it. ACPI also prevented me from hibernating or suspending my laptop. -- Ben Steeves _ bcs at metacon.ca The ASCII ribbon campaign ( ) ben.steeves at unb.ca against HTML e-mail X GPG ID: 0xB3EBF1D9 http://www.metacon.ca/ascii / \ Yahoo Messenger: ben_steeves From reader at newsguy.com Tue Oct 28 18:10:57 2003 From: reader at newsguy.com (Harry Putnam) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 12:10:57 -0600 Subject: no X after full upgrade from test3 to upgraded pkgs for test3 Message-ID: After a full upgrade this morning from older test3 to the newest stuff, I'm unable to startx or to boot to runlevel 5. XFREE pkgs were some of those updated and now consist of: rpm -qa|grep XF XFree86-libs-data-4.3.0-42 XFree86-devel-4.3.0-42 XFree86-libs-4.3.0-42 XFree86-Mesa-libGL-4.3.0-42 XFree86-Mesa-libGLU-4.3.0-42 I'm pretty sure there should be a bunch more from rpm -qa|grep XF Particulary the font packages If these were not installed during upgrade there must be something fairly major wrong since I was runnning X before the upgrade. I did the upgrade with no X running however. attempting to start collecting the missing packages I tried: up2date -i XFree86-100dpi-fonts which is now hanging at the dependancy resolving part and been there about 1/2 hr. up2date version is up2date-4.12.1-4 I'd like to see a list of the full set of packages requred. And try to piece them in by hand if necessary. From mharris at redhat.com Tue Oct 28 18:11:44 2003 From: mharris at redhat.com (Mike A. Harris) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 13:11:44 -0500 (EST) Subject: Compiling NVIDIA driver for -ntpl kernel In-Reply-To: <1F336C4559FF244A90D52EFEABE98AD607CC74@nimo.nhpro.kw> References: <1F336C4559FF244A90D52EFEABE98AD607CC74@nimo.nhpro.kw> Message-ID: On Sat, 25 Oct 2003, Ossama Khayaat wrote: >> From: Marc Schwartz [mailto:MSchwartz at MedAnalytics.com] >> Don't forget to remove the Mesa-LibGL rpm before doing that. >> >> Use: >> >> rpm -e --nodeps XFree86-Mesa-libGL >> >> You will need to do that before running both of the NVidia install >> processes and will need to repeat that when there are XFree86 and >kernel >> updates. >> >> Also, I have found that removing the Mesa-libGL will cause some >> dependency issues when using up2date. So be aware that you may need to >> uninstall it again after some updates. > >If I may ask, why do I have to remove this? I've always used the NVIDIA >driver, before fedora, and never had a problem. Because Nvidia's driver installation just blows away the installed libGL libraries from XFree86-Mesa-libGL, and that just happened to work randomly before. That was NEVER the proper way to handle it. Now, we provide multiple libGL libraries, and Nvidia's installer doesn't know about them, so it doesn't delete them all. As such, when you run OpenGL applications, the dynamic linker will use the first libGL found, and that is the TLS i686 libGL, not Nvidias. I've contacted Nvidia privately in order to try to come up with a long term solution with them that is beneficial for everyone, and isn't an ugly hack or deleting random OS provided files. They've responded and are interested in working to find a solution. So, at some point in the future, these problems will hopefully be moot. -- Mike A. Harris ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris OS Systems Engineer - XFree86 maintainer - Red Hat From mharris at redhat.com Tue Oct 28 18:15:01 2003 From: mharris at redhat.com (Mike A. Harris) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 13:15:01 -0500 (EST) Subject: Compiling NVIDIA driver for -ntpl kernel In-Reply-To: <1067094667.3409.4.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> References: <1F336C4559FF244A90D52EFEABE98AD607CC74@nimo.nhpro.kw> <200310250742.22645.elwoo@videotron.ca> <1067094667.3409.4.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> Message-ID: On Sat, 25 Oct 2003, Christopher A. Williams wrote: >> > If I may ask, why do I have to remove this? I've always used the NVIDIA >> > driver, before fedora, and never had a problem. >> If you don't remove the Mesa-libGL, you wont' be able to run the GL >> screensavers. Look over past discussions regarding XFree, Nvidia, and >> these in the list. > >Interesting - I was always under the impression that the latest NVidia >installers updated the MesaGL libraries so that they did work with the >GL screen savers. They've never done that ever. They delete Mesa with "rm" rather than removing the rpm package. Then they plop their own proprietary libGL in it's place. That's not what I'd call an update. It's a complete replacement, done in a very hackish and non-rpm friendly manner. The current XFree86-Mesa-libGL packages however provide multiple libGL's and Nvidia's hack doesn't hit them all, so you get Mesa still. >The only error I have ever seen, even with the RSSS packages, >was that some complained that DRI was not loaded. Since the >NVidia drivers don't like DRI, I assumed this was normal. This is because the Nvidia ugly hack to delete libGL only gets part of it. The i686 TLS libGL is left, and if your system autodetects as being i686 compatible and compatible with TLS, that library will override anything installed in the general location (where Nvidia puts theirs). As such, you end up using Mesa software libGL, and it tells you no DRI driver is available, which is correct. -- Mike A. Harris ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris OS Systems Engineer - XFree86 maintainer - Red Hat From mharris at redhat.com Tue Oct 28 18:18:48 2003 From: mharris at redhat.com (Mike A. Harris) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 13:18:48 -0500 (EST) Subject: Beep on X11 login screen In-Reply-To: <1067098078.30706.7.camel@wombat.tiptoe.de> References: <200310242311.h9ONBio05802@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1067098078.30706.7.camel@wombat.tiptoe.de> Message-ID: On Sat, 25 Oct 2003, Nils Philippsen wrote: >> Why not turn this into a PR pluspoint by, for at least the first boot, >> making a little note on the login display explaining why the beep is >> there (karma++) and how to turn it off if you are not visually >> challenged, for extra points a checkbox right there and then. >> >> -Andy > >Having it beep by default for the visually impaired is a must IMO. Having the default mouse cursors be a one inch high mouse pointer that flashes bright neon colours should be the default then also, for elderly people who are hard of sight. We should also set the default sound mixer levels to maximum, in order that auditorily challenged people can hear audio by default. We should set the default font size of all applications to be 72 point size also, for accessibility. The rest of the population can very easily change mouse cursors to the previously standard small cursor, and turn their audio levels down, and decrease their font size. That makes the most sense to me anyway. -- Mike A. Harris ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris OS Systems Engineer - XFree86 maintainer - Red Hat From alan at redhat.com Tue Oct 28 18:24:15 2003 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 13:24:15 -0500 (EST) Subject: Speakup in kernel In-Reply-To: <20031028161152.GE22946@rednote.net> from "Janina Sajka" at Hyd 28, 2003 11:11:52 Message-ID: <200310281824.h9SIOFf25516@devserv.devel.redhat.com> > I am, however, concerned about too great an emphasis on what might > happen tomorrow when the need today is evident and a popular approach > readily at hand. Linux regularly turns down the popular to do it right > 1.) Does Kirk now have a list of immediate concerns in sufficient > detail to respond with appropriate technical detail? I would hope so, if not I can try and help. The single biggest message is "get it accepted upstream" > concerns regarding /proc were not specified. Furthermore, in his > response, he indicated that he had not received any specifics that > documented a security issue--only the vague concern that use of /proc > might do so. Al Viro may still have some useful comments on this > 3.) Do you have any objection to my pinging on this issue monthly? I think its really important we get accessibility solved, including boot up and that we end up with good accessibility guides for Fedora. I've also btw pinged someone at Intel to try and find the right place to talk about boot time accessibility for the future. Alan From mharris at redhat.com Tue Oct 28 18:34:53 2003 From: mharris at redhat.com (Mike A. Harris) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 13:34:53 -0500 (EST) Subject: State of multiple gfx cards support ? In-Reply-To: <01L2DC9834K2004SHX@rcum.uni-mb.si> References: <01L2DC9834K2004SHX@rcum.uni-mb.si> Message-ID: On Tue, 28 Oct 2003, DAVID BALAZIC wrote: >What is the status of multiple gfx card support ? >redhat-config-xfree86-0.9.15-1 only detects my radeon 8500LE AGP card, but >not the SiS 6326 PCI card. The config tool now can configure multihead on multihead cards. I don't know if it is working with multiple separate cards however. Note also that multiple card multihead combinations may or may not work in XFree86. It is highly dependant on the specific hardware, the drivers used, in some cases the slot the cards are plugged into, and what card the BIOS considers "primary". In other cases it may depend on wether or not the BIOS posted each video card or not, and in cases where it hasn't, wether or not XFree86 is able to mmap the BIOS and post it manually. On non-x86 this is done inside an x86 emulator and there may be additional problems if the BIOS doesn't like being ran in the emulator. Short story is, try it and if it works, great! If not, you're best off reporting multihead bugs like that to XFree86.org bugzilla at http://bugs.xfree86.org as each person's individual multihead configuration tends to be quite unique due to the complexity of variables involved. Hope this helps. -- Mike A. Harris ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris OS Systems Engineer - XFree86 maintainer - Red Hat From whb at ceimaine.org Tue Oct 28 18:40:34 2003 From: whb at ceimaine.org (Will Backman) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 13:40:34 -0500 Subject: Speakup in kernel In-Reply-To: <200310281824.h9SIOFf25516@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <200310281824.h9SIOFf25516@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1067366434.1951.5.camel@dbxwsd21> This would be good for everyone. Accessibility is really the future of computing. If science fiction is a guide to our desires for technology, keyboard and monitor are not the future. Powerful computers can be so small, except for our clumsy I/O problem of keyboards and screens. Its sound kinda nutty, but if we want tiny computers woven into our jackets, our interfaces will need to change. This is a great opportunity for Linux to lead. On Tue, 2003-10-28 at 13:24, Alan Cox wrote: > > I think its really important we get accessibility solved, including boot > up and that we end up with good accessibility guides for Fedora. I've also > btw pinged someone at Intel to try and find the right place to talk about > boot time accessibility for the future. > From mjc at avtechpulse.com Tue Oct 28 18:43:38 2003 From: mjc at avtechpulse.com (Dr. Michael J. Chudobiak) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 13:43:38 -0500 Subject: up2date fails because of kerberos Message-ID: <7A13F645CE428E44B77F7C20CEF9B3BB1CA374@server1.domain.avtechpulse.com> Hi, I've been updating from test2 to rawhide in batches, but now up2date won't run. I get: [root at server2 tarfiles]# up2date Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/sbin/up2date", line 22, in ? from up2date_client import repoDirector File "repoDirector.py", line 5, in ? File "rhnChannel.py", line 9, in ? File "up2dateAuth.py", line 5, in ? File "rpcServer.py", line 15, in ? File "/usr/lib/python2.2/socket.py", line 41, in ? from _socket import * ImportError: /lib/libssl.so.4: undefined symbol: krb5_cc_get_principal Any ideas how I can fix this? - Mike From tjb at unh.edu Tue Oct 28 19:18:38 2003 From: tjb at unh.edu (Thomas J. Baker) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 14:18:38 -0500 Subject: contrib galeon 1.3.10 In-Reply-To: <20031028182027.5036b7b0.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de> References: <1067262007.1296.2.camel@nyarlathotep.fedora> <1067263766.15177.65.camel@gruyere> <1067271071.4808.39.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> <1067284122.18948.4.camel@LORDLINUX.global.shsystem.org> <1067285013.5963.1.camel@wombat.tiptoe.de> <1067352327.3659.14.camel@wintermute.sr.unh.edu> <20031028182027.5036b7b0.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de> Message-ID: <1067368718.3659.80.camel@wintermute.sr.unh.edu> On Tue, 2003-10-28 at 12:20, Michael Schwendt wrote: > On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 09:45:27 -0500, Thomas J. Baker wrote: > > > > http://lisas.de/~nils/yum/fedora/0.95/i386/extras/ > > > > > > I thought I already had gone on everybody's nerves with plugging this, > > > but alas I was wrong ;-). > > > > > > Nils > > > > I have trouble with this feed all the time. Right now I can't contact it > > at all. 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I'd like to submit more than "deleted a message, crash dialog came up." Hints anyone? From elwoo at videotron.ca Tue Oct 28 19:38:31 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 14:38:31 -0500 Subject: Beep on X11 login screen In-Reply-To: References: <200310242311.h9ONBio05802@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1067098078.30706.7.camel@wombat.tiptoe.de> Message-ID: <200310281438.31391.elwoo@videotron.ca> On October 28, 2003 01:18 pm, Mike A. Harris , <"Mike A. Harris" > wrote: > >> -Andy > > > >Having it beep by default for the visually impaired is a must IMO. > > Having the default mouse cursors be a one inch high mouse pointer > that flashes bright neon colours should be the default then also, > for elderly people who are hard of sight. We should also set the > default sound mixer levels to maximum, in order that auditorily > challenged people can hear audio by default. We should set the > default font size of all applications to be 72 point size also, > for accessibility. > > The rest of the population can very easily change mouse cursors > to the previously standard small cursor, and turn their audio > levels down, and decrease their font size. > > That makes the most sense to me anyway. ... if I may interject ... How about having something in the installer to "decide" if the person installing is visually, manually, or auditorially handicapped? *Then* anaconda would proceed and install as Mike describes above. ... otherwise, you'll simply get people griping about these "defaults" rather than saying: "Red Hat has had the foresight to make its linux distro easily usable by, and accessible to *all*, so I'll just turn these options off, and revert to the "standard" interface.". ... just my simplistic view, I'm afraid ... Elton ;-) -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From elwoo at videotron.ca Tue Oct 28 19:45:22 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 14:45:22 -0500 Subject: Compiling NVIDIA driver for -ntpl kernel In-Reply-To: References: <1F336C4559FF244A90D52EFEABE98AD607CC74@nimo.nhpro.kw> <1067094667.3409.4.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> Message-ID: <200310281445.22802.elwoo@videotron.ca> On October 28, 2003 01:15 pm, Mike A. Harris , <"Mike A. Harris" > wrote: > This is because the Nvidia ugly hack to delete libGL only gets > part of it. The i686 TLS libGL is left, and if your system > autodetects as being i686 compatible and compatible with TLS, > that library will override anything installed in the general > location (where Nvidia puts theirs). As such, you end up using > Mesa software libGL, and it tells you no DRI driver is available, > which is correct. Newbie (and perhaps stupid) question: is there a way to remove the nVidia GL, so that one can keep the Mesa ones? ... Or am I obliged to continually remove the latter? As it stands, there two steps necessary whenever I get rawhide updates: 1) re-run the nVidia installer whenever the kernel is updated 2) remove using --nodeps whenever XFree is updated (since I can't update without including the Mesa-libGL package... ... or am I asking the impossible / unreasonable? Elton ;-) -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Tue Oct 28 19:51:28 2003 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: 28 Oct 2003 14:51:28 -0500 Subject: Yum Config Question In-Reply-To: <1067369020.3659.85.camel@wintermute.sr.unh.edu> References: <1067369020.3659.85.camel@wintermute.sr.unh.edu> Message-ID: <1067370688.24429.40.camel@opus> On Tue, 2003-10-28 at 14:23, Thomas J. Baker wrote: > I want to keep multiple kernel-smp and kernel-source packages around so > I added > > installonlypkgs=kernel, kernel-smp, kernel-bigmem, kernel-enterprise, > kernel-debug, kernel-unsupported, kernel-source > > to my yum.conf. I then did a yum update and it installed the new > kernel-smp and source but deleted every other kernel-smp that was > installed. It kept the kernel-source packages though. > > Any ideas why this happened? > 1. the above list is the default 2. they're not comma-separated, just spaces. -sv From davej at redhat.com Tue Oct 28 20:08:52 2003 From: davej at redhat.com (Dave Jones) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 20:08:52 +0000 Subject: State of multiple gfx cards support ? In-Reply-To: References: <01L2DC9834K2004SHX@rcum.uni-mb.si> Message-ID: <20031028200852.GB18487@redhat.com> On Tue, Oct 28, 2003 at 01:34:53PM -0500, Mike A. Harris wrote: > best off reporting multihead bugs like that to XFree86.org > bugzilla at http://bugs.xfree86.org as each person's individual > multihead configuration tends to be quite unique due to the > complexity of variables involved. Incidentally, is anyone else with a dual head Matrox (G450/G550) seeing X completely ignore the Xinerama option, and clone the screen on both heads ? I've been fighting X the last few days trying to coerce it into spanning both heads without much success. Dave From elwoo at videotron.ca Tue Oct 28 20:14:15 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 15:14:15 -0500 Subject: GPG question:where on the system are my key-pairs? Message-ID: <200310281514.15192.elwoo@videotron.ca> I am following a tutorial to create my PGP keys, and it appears that I have succeeded in at least *some* of the steps. However, I can't find the my keys, as I would like to back them up to diskette. ]$ rpm -qa | grep gpg returns the following: two lines of gpg-pubkey-{two different sets of hexadecimal numbers per line]. Since I cannot erase them I guess I will have to use them, but where are they? ... so at least I can back them up. Thanks in advance, Elton 8^/ -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From jkeating at j2solutions.net Tue Oct 28 20:26:03 2003 From: jkeating at j2solutions.net (Jesse Keating) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 12:26:03 -0800 Subject: GPG question:where on the system are my key-pairs? In-Reply-To: <200310281514.15192.elwoo@videotron.ca> References: <200310281514.15192.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <200310281226.03554.jkeating@j2solutions.net> On Tuesday 28 October 2003 12:14, Elton Woo wrote: > Since I cannot erase them I guess I will have to use them, but where > are they? ... so at least I can back them up. > > Thanks in advance, They are in ~/.gnupg/ Your guide _really_ should have told you this. Did you read the Red Hat guide on this? http://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/linux/RHL-9-Manual/custom-guide/ch-gnupg.html -- Jesse Keating RHCE MCSE (geek.j2solutions.net) Fedora Legacy Team (www.fedora.us/wiki/FedoraLegacy) Mondo DevTeam (www.mondorescue.org) GPG Public Key (geek.j2solutions.net/jkeating.j2solutions.pub) Was I helpful? Let others know: http://svcs.affero.net/rm.php?r=jkeating -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: signature URL: From fedora at warmcat.com Tue Oct 28 20:29:02 2003 From: fedora at warmcat.com (Andy Green) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 20:29:02 +0000 Subject: GPG question:where on the system are my key-pairs? In-Reply-To: <200310281514.15192.elwoo@videotron.ca> References: <200310281514.15192.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <200310282029.03995.fedora@warmcat.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Tuesday 28 October 2003 20:14, Elton Woo wrote: > ]$ rpm -qa | grep gpg returns the following: > two lines of gpg-pubkey-{two different sets of hexadecimal numbers > per line]. > > Since I cannot erase them I guess I will have to use them, but where > are they? ... so at least I can back them up. Hm, some confusification here unless I misunderstand you. The GPG keys to do with RPM are given to rpm and are only used to validate incoming .rpm packages. Don't know where they're stored but its probably /usr/share/rpm or something. But.... If you are making your own keys with gpg, all that stuff is stored in ~/.gnupg/ - -Andy -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/ntGOjKeDCxMJCTIRAgdiAKCWOb2R3ReBGJyRh6t6NONaXm9SIQCgiiio r4j0SRx2EeJa3JKUzAIPLeY= =dW0G -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From MSchwartz at MedAnalytics.com Tue Oct 28 20:30:11 2003 From: MSchwartz at MedAnalytics.com (Marc Schwartz) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 14:30:11 -0600 Subject: GPG question:where on the system are my key-pairs? In-Reply-To: <200310281514.15192.elwoo@videotron.ca> References: <200310281514.15192.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <1067373010.7229.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2003-10-28 at 14:14, Elton Woo wrote: > I am following a tutorial to create my PGP keys, and it appears that > I have succeeded in at least *some* of the steps. However, I can't find > the my keys, as I would like to back them up to diskette. > ]$ rpm -qa | grep gpg returns the following: > two lines of gpg-pubkey-{two different sets of hexadecimal numbers > per line]. > > Since I cannot erase them I guess I will have to use them, but where > are they? ... so at least I can back them up. > > Thanks in advance, > > Elton 8^/ Have you looked in ~/.gnupg HTH, Marc Schwartz From mharris at redhat.com Tue Oct 28 20:49:42 2003 From: mharris at redhat.com (Mike A. Harris) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 15:49:42 -0500 (EST) Subject: Compiling NVIDIA driver for -ntpl kernel In-Reply-To: <200310281445.22802.elwoo@videotron.ca> References: <1F336C4559FF244A90D52EFEABE98AD607CC74@nimo.nhpro.kw> <1067094667.3409.4.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> <200310281445.22802.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: On Tue, 28 Oct 2003, Elton Woo wrote: >> This is because the Nvidia ugly hack to delete libGL only gets >> part of it. The i686 TLS libGL is left, and if your system >> autodetects as being i686 compatible and compatible with TLS, >> that library will override anything installed in the general >> location (where Nvidia puts theirs). As such, you end up using >> Mesa software libGL, and it tells you no DRI driver is available, >> which is correct. >Newbie (and perhaps stupid) question: is there a way to remove the >nVidia GL, so that one can keep the Mesa ones? ... Or am I obliged to >continually remove the latter? As it stands, there two steps necessary >whenever I get rawhide updates: That depends on wether or not the Nvidia stuff was installed with rpm or not. If it was, then uninstall the Nvidia rpms. If it wasn't, then perhaps they have an uninstall script to run. If not, go one directory at a time through your hard disk looking for files Nvidia installed outside of RPM's scope, and delete them by hand with rm. By definition, package managment involves using packages and package management software - rpm. >1) re-run the nVidia installer whenever the kernel is updated >2) remove using --nodeps whenever XFree is updated (since I can't >update without including the Mesa-libGL package... > >... or am I asking the impossible / unreasonable? No, but you're asking the wrong people. Unless Nvidia's drivers are installed via rpm, and their rpm package provides libGL properly, then anything depending on libGL will have dependancy problems. That's something that needs fixing in Nvidia's rpm packages. Only I'm being told they don't have rpm packages anymore, so it's more difficult. We are not going to make ugly hacks for software installed outside of rpm context. It defeats the entire purpose of rpm in the first place, and opens the door for 10000 other software companies out there to request and expect special treatment and hacks for their software too. I'm happy to develop useful and generic solutions that do use rpm packaging in order to solve problems for 3rd parties however, and that is why XFree86-Mesa-libGL is a separate package to begin with. -- Mike A. Harris ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris OS Systems Engineer - XFree86 maintainer - Red Hat From nalin at redhat.com Tue Oct 28 20:55:02 2003 From: nalin at redhat.com (Nalin Dahyabhai) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 15:55:02 -0500 Subject: GPG question:where on the system are my key-pairs? In-Reply-To: <200310281514.15192.elwoo@videotron.ca> References: <200310281514.15192.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <20031028205502.GB17593@redhat.com> On Tue, Oct 28, 2003 at 03:14:15PM -0500, Elton Woo wrote: > I am following a tutorial to create my PGP keys, and it appears that > I have succeeded in at least *some* of the steps. However, I can't find > the my keys, as I would like to back them up to diskette. > ]$ rpm -qa | grep gpg returns the following: > two lines of gpg-pubkey-{two different sets of hexadecimal numbers > per line]. > > Since I cannot erase them I guess I will have to use them, but where > are they? ... so at least I can back them up. The keys you created? are stored on your public and secret key rings, ~/.gnupg/pubring.gpg and ~/.gnupg/secring.gpg by default. (As an aside, if you haven't already created a revocation certificate? for your key, I highly recommend you do so now to avoid problems if you should forget the passphrase at some point in the future.) The keys which "rpm -qa" lists are keys which have been previously imported into the RPM database using "rpm --import", and are not related (though you may want to use "gpg --export --armor" to export your public key to a text file, and then import that key into your RPM database). Cheers, Nalin ? I assume these are keys created by running "gpg --gen-key". ? Using "gpg --gen-revoke". Print it out and lock it away until the day comes when you find you need it. The GNU Privacy Handbook? explains this in detail. ? http://www.gnupg.org/(en)/documentation/guides.html From elwoo at videotron.ca Tue Oct 28 21:06:46 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 16:06:46 -0500 Subject: Compiling NVIDIA driver for -ntpl kernel In-Reply-To: References: <1F336C4559FF244A90D52EFEABE98AD607CC74@nimo.nhpro.kw> <200310281445.22802.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <200310281606.46718.elwoo@videotron.ca> On October 28, 2003 03:49 pm, Mike A. Harris , <"Mike A. Harris" > wrote: > We are not going to make ugly hacks for software installed > outside of rpm context. It defeats the entire purpose of rpm in > the first place, and opens the door for 10000 other software > companies out there to request and expect special treatment and > hacks for their software too. I see your point, and I agree with you totally. FYI, the nVidia drivers are no longer installed via rpm, but an "all-platform" *.run script. ... I guess I'll have to live with it until nVidia update their drivers to work with the newer kenels. No major heartbreak, but an annoyance nonetheless, to have to do those two steps, each time ... Elton ;-) -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From maxka at myrealbox.com Tue Oct 28 21:30:49 2003 From: maxka at myrealbox.com (Maxwell Kanat-Alexander) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 13:30:49 -0800 Subject: flashplayer In-Reply-To: <20031028141052.40864.qmail@web40310.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20031028141052.40864.qmail@web40310.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1067376649.3507.0.camel@max.localdomain> On Tue, 2003-10-28 at 06:10, Globe Trotter wrote: > Actually, the glob wildcard that the script currently uses should > actually pull that in. I'm not sure why the script fails with Dag's > package. Can somebody please figure this one out and report back? It's possible that it's because dag's package uses /usr/bin/mozilla-firebird as the installation directory. -M From josh at navilogix.com Tue Oct 28 21:37:21 2003 From: josh at navilogix.com (Josh McKenna) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 16:37:21 -0500 Subject: Up2Date still having problems... In-Reply-To: <20031028144301.19976.18245.Mailman@listman.back-rdu.redhat.com> References: <20031028144301.19976.18245.Mailman@listman.back-rdu.redhat.com> Message-ID: <3F9EE191.7080706@navilogix.com> got up2date-4.1.12-1 and when I use it to get a package I don't have it still bombs at the dependency check part... any progress on this? -jbm sends From elwoo at videotron.ca Tue Oct 28 21:12:35 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 16:12:35 -0500 Subject: GPG question:where on the system are my key-pairs? In-Reply-To: <200310281226.03554.jkeating@j2solutions.net> References: <200310281514.15192.elwoo@videotron.ca> <200310281226.03554.jkeating@j2solutions.net> Message-ID: <200310281612.35471.elwoo@videotron.ca> On October 28, 2003 03:26 pm, Jesse Keating , > wrote: > They are in ~/.gnupg/ > > Your guide _really_ should have told you this. Did you read the Red Hat > guide on this? > > http://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/linux/RHL-9-Manual/custom-guide/ch-gnupg >.html Oh. <*blush*> ... the tutorial I'm using is from a different link, not Red Hat... Elton ;-) -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From elwoo at videotron.ca Tue Oct 28 21:14:30 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 16:14:30 -0500 Subject: GPG question:where on the system are my key-pairs? In-Reply-To: <200310282029.03995.fedora@warmcat.com> References: <200310281514.15192.elwoo@videotron.ca> <200310282029.03995.fedora@warmcat.com> Message-ID: <200310281614.30763.elwoo@videotron.ca> On October 28, 2003 03:29 pm, Andy Green , > wrote: > > ]$ rpm -qa | grep gpg returns the following: > > two lines of gpg-pubkey-{two different sets of hexadecimal numbers > > per line]. > > > > Since I cannot erase them I guess I will have to use them, but where > > are they? ... so at least I can back them up. > > Hm, some confusification here unless I misunderstand you. The GPG keys to Aha! ... I forgot those keys ... I was confusing them with *my* PGP keys... > do with RPM are given to rpm and are only used to validate incoming .rpm > packages. Don't know where they're stored but its probably /usr/share/rpm > or something. But.... > > If you are making your own keys with gpg, all that stuff is stored in > ~/.gnupg/ Understood. ... and thanks! Elton ;-) -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From whb at ceimaine.org Tue Oct 28 21:29:57 2003 From: whb at ceimaine.org (Will Backman) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 16:29:57 -0500 (EST) Subject: gnome errors Message-ID: <8238.64.223.201.130.1067376597.squirrel@mail.ceimaine.org> Perhaps this is for the gnome people... Running FC RC3, Up2date this morning. I've had trouble logging in a second time. If I boot, I can log in fine. If I log out, and then back in, gnome fails to run, and I am back to gdm. I went into a KDE session, and ran Evolution, but the disk ran hard for a while and then stopped, so I tried running it from the command line. Here is what I got: aborting... Bonobo accessibility support initialized GTK Accessibility Module initialized ** ERROR **: Accessibility app error: exception during registry activation from id: IDL:Bonobo/GeneralError:1.0 aborting... Bonobo accessibility support initialized GTK Accessibility Module initialized ** ERROR **: Accessibility app error: exception during registry activation from id: IDL:Bonobo/GeneralError:1.0 aborting... Bonobo accessibility support initialized GTK Accessibility Module initialized ** ERROR **: Accessibility app error: exception during registry activation from id: IDL:Bonobo/GeneralError:1.0 aborting... Bonobo accessibility support initialized GTK Accessibility Module initialized (gnome_segv:5240): GLib-WARNING **: giounix.c:397Error while getting flags for FD: Bad file descriptor (9) Failed to execute /usr/libexec/bonobo-activation-server: 24 (Too many open files) From whb at ceimaine.org Tue Oct 28 21:32:07 2003 From: whb at ceimaine.org (Will Backman) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 16:32:07 -0500 (EST) Subject: Up2Date still having problems... In-Reply-To: <3F9EE191.7080706@navilogix.com> References: <20031028144301.19976.18245.Mailman@listman.back-rdu.redhat.com> <3F9EE191.7080706@navilogix.com> Message-ID: <5634.64.223.201.130.1067376727.squirrel@mail.ceimaine.org> Mine kinda fixed itself, not a good solution. > got up2date-4.1.12-1 and when I use it to get a package I don't have it > still bombs at the dependency check part... > > any progress on this? > > -jbm sends > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From maxka at myrealbox.com Tue Oct 28 21:48:08 2003 From: maxka at myrealbox.com (Maxwell Kanat-Alexander) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 13:48:08 -0800 Subject: oo.org-1.1.0-3 wants mozilla 1.4, but I don't In-Reply-To: <1067355116.7973.23.camel@earth.xades.com> References: <1067354277.7973.16.camel@earth.xades.com> <1067354641.5739.64.camel@ahnews.music.salford.ac.uk> <1067355116.7973.23.camel@earth.xades.com> Message-ID: <1067377687.3507.12.camel@max.localdomain> On Tue, 2003-10-28 at 07:31, nosp wrote: > Maybe it's OO.org's fault? > > # rpm -q --changelog openoffice.org > * Fri Oct 17 2003 Dan Williams 1.1.0-3 > > [snip] > - Remove Mozilla zipfiles from OOo sources to reduce bloat > [snip] OO.org actually does use Mozilla -- I'd imagine the distribution from OO.org bundles Moz, and RH has it as an external dependency to save space and for other good reasosn. I don't remember what Moz component OO.org uses, but when you're building OO.org from source you can look at the ./configure or probably the INSTALL file and it explains it. -Max From elwoo at videotron.ca Tue Oct 28 21:50:18 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 16:50:18 -0500 Subject: GPG question:where on the system are my key-pairs? In-Reply-To: <20031028205502.GB17593@redhat.com> References: <200310281514.15192.elwoo@videotron.ca> <20031028205502.GB17593@redhat.com> Message-ID: <200310281650.18412.elwoo@videotron.ca> On October 28, 2003 03:55 pm, Nalin Dahyabhai , > wrote: > The keys you created? are stored on your public and secret key rings, > ~/.gnupg/pubring.gpg and ~/.gnupg/secring.gpg by default. (As an aside, > if you haven't already created a revocation certificate? for your key, I > highly recommend you do so now to avoid problems if you should forget > the passphrase at some point in the future.) I haven't, since I have yet to test them, and since I was seeing *two* public keys returned with "rpm -qa" I kept confusing myself ... and I kept doing "gpg --gen-key" .. and running the procedure over and over. [I hang my head in shame] > > The keys which "rpm -qa" lists are keys which have been previously > imported into the RPM database using "rpm --import", and are not related Understood. > (though you may want to use "gpg --export --armor" to export your public > key to a text file, and then import that key into your RPM database). Yes. The tutorial does mention this. Though I seem to have succeeded in creating my public key, I haven't completed the tutorial, so I don't think I've gotten as far as creating my *private* key. Thanks, Elton ;-) -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From jaap at haitsma.org Tue Oct 28 21:52:23 2003 From: jaap at haitsma.org (Jaap A. Haitsma) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 22:52:23 +0100 Subject: Up2Date still having problems... In-Reply-To: <3F9EE191.7080706@navilogix.com> References: <20031028144301.19976.18245.Mailman@listman.back-rdu.redhat.com> <3F9EE191.7080706@navilogix.com> Message-ID: <3F9EE517.6070706@haitsma.org> Josh McKenna wrote: > got up2date-4.1.12-1 and when I use it to get a package I don't have > it still bombs at the dependency check part... > > any progress on this? > > -jbm sends > I have the same problem. It seems to stop somehow. CPU load network and disk access are all zero. The way I get everything installed is just not select all packages. It works smoothly when I select half of the packages, do an update, select the other half of the packages and do an update. I'm a bit suspicious that the number of updates that are told to be available are not the number of updates there really are. I didn't check this. Just a hunch. But yesterday it said there were 120 packages available and I had the feeling there were much less then 120 when I selected them. Jaap From paul at all-the-johnsons.co.uk Tue Oct 28 21:53:07 2003 From: paul at all-the-johnsons.co.uk (Paul) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 21:53:07 +0000 Subject: oo.org-1.1.0-3 wants mozilla 1.4, but I don't In-Reply-To: <1067377687.3507.12.camel@max.localdomain> References: <1067354277.7973.16.camel@earth.xades.com> <1067354641.5739.64.camel@ahnews.music.salford.ac.uk> <1067355116.7973.23.camel@earth.xades.com> <1067377687.3507.12.camel@max.localdomain> Message-ID: <1067377986.4159.22.camel@T6.linux> Hi, > OO.org actually does use Mozilla -- I'd imagine the distribution from > OO.org bundles Moz, and RH has it as an external dependency to save > space and for other good reasosn. Nope. OOo uses it's own widget set. It links to any browser for internet links - this is why you can use IE with OOo or Moz under Linux (or if you prefer, Konq, Opera, Lynx or any other you fancy). In all of the source, there is *nothing* in the pure OOo source which calls on the Moz source base. You can install OOo without having any form of a browser on your machine and you will remain without any form of a browser post install. TTFN Paul -- One OS to fool them all One browser to find them One email client to bring them all And through security holes, blind them... From kawisan at telus.net Tue Oct 28 21:54:55 2003 From: kawisan at telus.net (ryan) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 14:54:55 -0700 Subject: usb camera question Message-ID: <1067378095.6941.6.camel@ceebee.enganeer.com> hi i have a question that i've been unable to find an answer to. using FD RC3 trying to install USB quickcam. i've grabbed the latest drivers in the CVS for qce-ga, and i'm also running the latest kernel for RC3. it appears to compile properly, but insmod is not happy. i'm not overly sure where to begin... any ideas/help is appreciated (info below). i'm new to this list so if i'm off-topic please clue-bat me. cheers -ryan syslog: Oct 28 13:58:08 ceebee kernel: hub.c: new USB device 00:02.0-2, assigned address 2 Oct 28 13:58:08 ceebee kernel: usb.c: USB device 2 (vend/prod 0x46d/0x840) is not claimed by any active driver. [root at ceebee qc-usb]# make -=- Logitech QuickCam USB camera driver -=- Makefile target examples: make all - Compile driver and utilities against current running kernel USER_OPT=-DNDEBUG make all - Compile without debugging code and messages LINUX_DIR=/usr/src/linux make all - Compile against specified kernel source make install - Copy driver and utilities into standard locations (needs root) PREFIX=/usr make install - Copy utilities to /usr/bin instead of /usr/local/bin MODULE_DIR=/lib/modules/2.4.0 make install - Copy module to /lib/modules/2.4.0/misc make clean - Remove object files from the source directory Current configuration: Driver source directory (PWD): /home/ryan/qc-usb Kernel source directory (LINUX_DIR): /lib/modules/2.4.22-1.2110.nptl/build Module install directory (MODULE_DIR): /lib/modules/2.4.22-1.2110.nptl Utility install directory (PREFIX): /usr/local User options (USER_OPT): Driver file name (use with insmod): quickcam.o Kernel version code: 132118 [root at ceebee qc-usb]# insmod ./quickcam.o ./quickcam.o: unresolved symbol video_proc_entry_R4cab4439 ./quickcam.o: unresolved symbol video_unregister_device_Rbd07ff0b ./quickcam.o: unresolved symbol video_register_device_R42eac5db From goeran at uddeborg.se Tue Oct 28 21:56:58 2003 From: goeran at uddeborg.se (=?iso-8859-1?q?G=F6ran_Uddeborg?=) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 22:56:58 +0100 Subject: Bugzilla doesn't send mail any more. In-Reply-To: <200310271230.55979.czar@czarc.net> References: <16284.12780.803538.801859@uebn.uddeborg.se> <200310271230.55979.czar@czarc.net> Message-ID: <16286.58922.860116.67024@uebn.uddeborg.se> Gene C. writes: > I am also seeing "missing" bugzilla email ... and it is not very consistent > ... sometimes I get them and sometimes not .... sometimes I get an additional > command I append but not the original report ... sometimes I get the original > report but not the appended comment. I found a bugzilla which seems to be about the problem: http://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=107896 I added my own observation to it. (Interestingly enough, when I did that, emails were actually sent to both reporter and assignee. That was the first time for some time now my bugzilla changes were distributed.) > I am not sure if it is something to do with the email server I am using or > something else. In my case bugzilla tells me it sends email to "no one", and all potential recipients are on the "excluding" line. So no mail server gets any mail, assuming this message from bugzilla is correct. From barlog_7 at yahoo.com Tue Oct 28 22:01:43 2003 From: barlog_7 at yahoo.com (Malcom Uel) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 14:01:43 -0800 (PST) Subject: flashplayer Message-ID: <20031028220143.29963.qmail@web20712.mail.yahoo.com> >I have installed Flash Player with the installer >available from >Macromedia web site. Here's direct link to that file: >http://download.macromedia.com/pub/shockwave/flash/english/linux/6.0r79/install_flash_player_6_linux.tar.gz >(warning, URL maybe line wrapped). >Run the installer and follow the instructions. After >installation, >verify that your ~/.mozilla/plugins/ directory has the >following files: >* flashplayer.xpt >* libflashplayer.so >Restart your browser and go Help -> About Plug-ins. >You should now see >Shockwave Flash section which contains plug-in >information. >Regards, See that is exactly my problem. I am very sorry since I was not clear before. But I did the above steps. And It just did not work. They were present in my /.mozilla/plugins/ directory. And it just is not working. Now I did not check the Help -> About Plug-ins part in my browser until you mentioned it. I checked it and it does not show up there. Is there a way to fix this? __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/ From nalin at redhat.com Tue Oct 28 22:09:01 2003 From: nalin at redhat.com (Nalin Dahyabhai) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 17:09:01 -0500 Subject: GPG question:where on the system are my key-pairs? In-Reply-To: <200310281650.18412.elwoo@videotron.ca> References: <200310281514.15192.elwoo@videotron.ca> <20031028205502.GB17593@redhat.com> <200310281650.18412.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <20031028220901.GE17593@redhat.com> On Tue, Oct 28, 2003 at 04:50:18PM -0500, Elton Woo wrote: > > (though you may want to use "gpg --export --armor" to export your public > > key to a text file, and then import that key into your RPM database). > Yes. The tutorial does mention this. Though I seem to have succeeded in > creating my public key, I haven't completed the tutorial, so I don't think > I've gotten as far as creating my *private* key. Key generation (in this case) produces a key pair, one private and one public. So you already have a private key. You may be confused because gpg's --list-keys command lists the keys on your public keyring, not the secret keyring. Cheers, Nalin From maport1 at uky.edu Tue Oct 28 22:18:36 2003 From: maport1 at uky.edu (Michael Anthony Porter) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 17:18:36 -0500 Subject: flashplayer Message-ID: <1067379516.61ac0b20maport1@uky.edu> > They were present in my /.mozilla/plugins/ > directory. And it just is not > working. Now I did not check the Help -> About > Plug-ins part in my browser until you mentioned it. > I checked it and it does not show up there. Is there > a way to fix this? I had to copy the plugins into /usr/lib/mozilla-1.4.1/plugins (or /usr/lib/mozilla-1.4/plugins, depending on your version) for Flash to work. Just my two cents, Michael Porter ========================================== University of Kentucky From elwoo at videotron.ca Tue Oct 28 22:24:14 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 17:24:14 -0500 Subject: GPG question:where on the system are my key-pairs? In-Reply-To: <20031028220901.GE17593@redhat.com> References: <200310281514.15192.elwoo@videotron.ca> <200310281650.18412.elwoo@videotron.ca> <20031028220901.GE17593@redhat.com> Message-ID: <200310281724.14141.elwoo@videotron.ca> On October 28, 2003 05:09 pm, Nalin Dahyabhai , > wrote: > Key generation (in this case) produces a key pair, one private and one > public. So you already have a private key. You may be confused because > gpg's --list-keys command lists the keys on your public keyring, not the > secret keyring. I see. So in that case, I don't have to worry? I can encrypt to myself, but I want to test it privately with someone, so that I'm sure I have everything done correctly. BTW this is the mose "newbie-friendly" tutorial I can find, and which is the one I have been using as my guide http://home.earthlink.net/~cortana/gpghowto.html If something better or more updated is available, I would appreciate being re-directed to same! Thanks, Elton ;-) -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From razvan.vilt at linux360.ro Tue Oct 28 22:25:11 2003 From: razvan.vilt at linux360.ro (Razvan Corneliu C.R. "d3vi1" VILT) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 00:25:11 +0200 Subject: gnome errors In-Reply-To: <8238.64.223.201.130.1067376597.squirrel@mail.ceimaine.org> References: <8238.64.223.201.130.1067376597.squirrel@mail.ceimaine.org> Message-ID: <1067379911.4331.93.camel@home-04019.b.astral.ro> On Tue, 2003-10-28 at 23:29, Will Backman wrote: > Perhaps this is for the gnome people... > Running FC RC3, Up2date this morning. > I've had trouble logging in a second time. If I boot, I can log in fine. > If I log out, and then back in, gnome fails to run, and I am back to gdm. > > I went into a KDE session, and ran Evolution, but the disk ran hard for a > while and then stopped, so I tried running it from the command line. Here > is what I got: > Seen something similar with evolution here also. The problem can come from 3 programs which are running without the session-manager. gconfd-2 bonobo-activation-server evolution-alarm-notify and sometimes evolution-wombat. If after I log out they are still running (ps -afx | grep $progname), I usually kill them. I've noticed that bonobo-*-* and gconfd-2 will not die until any process which was spawned by me during the session die. For example when I start ed2k_gui (edonkey), it spawns "donkey". If I exit ed2k_gui, donkey still runs in the background, so gconfd-2 doesn't die. The problem is (I think) that when gnome-session is started again (new logon), it cannot connect again to gconfd-2, bonobo-activation-server etc., because they shouldn't be running in the first place. The solution(it's not really a solution) is to kill them before logging-in again. Evolution also does not die sometimes, because it's still connected to the server (IMAP in this case). Unfortunately the Evolution is shutting down window disappears, so you cannot really know when it's dead unless you do a process listing. From barlog_7 at yahoo.com Tue Oct 28 22:28:18 2003 From: barlog_7 at yahoo.com (Malcom Uel) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 14:28:18 -0800 (PST) Subject: Flashplayer Message-ID: <20031028222818.442.qmail@web20709.mail.yahoo.com> >You are probably missing libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3. >which is in the compat-libstdc++ RPM. Alright... thanks to everyone who responded. I finally got it going. It was the above missing dependency that was missing from my installation. The official flashplayer does not scream that this little gem is not installed. But the rpm did. Thought I had it installed but it was another libriary that was named similar. Anyway short story long... I installed the proper rpm and restarted mozilla, and away we go. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/ From elwoo at videotron.ca Tue Oct 28 22:28:44 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 17:28:44 -0500 Subject: GPG question:where on the system are my key-pairs? In-Reply-To: <1067373010.7229.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <200310281514.15192.elwoo@videotron.ca> <1067373010.7229.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <200310281728.44903.elwoo@videotron.ca> On October 28, 2003 03:30 pm, Marc Schwartz , > wrote: > Have you looked in ~/.gnupg Thank you. I was aware of the directory, but I was comparing apples to oranges (confusing the rawhide pgp keys with my own)! ("if I only had a brain" ...) Elton ;-) (...who should use "Scarecrow" as his nickname...) -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From MSchwartz at MedAnalytics.com Tue Oct 28 23:06:29 2003 From: MSchwartz at MedAnalytics.com (Marc Schwartz) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 17:06:29 -0600 Subject: GPG question:where on the system are my key-pairs? In-Reply-To: <200310281728.44903.elwoo@videotron.ca> References: <200310281514.15192.elwoo@videotron.ca> <1067373010.7229.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> <200310281728.44903.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <1067382388.7229.95.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2003-10-28 at 16:28, Elton Woo wrote: > On October 28, 2003 03:30 pm, Marc Schwartz , > wrote: > > Have you looked in ~/.gnupg > Thank you. I was aware of the directory, but I was comparing apples > to oranges (confusing the rawhide pgp keys with my own)! > > ("if I only had a brain" ...) > > Elton ;-) > > (...who should use "Scarecrow" as his nickname...) No problem. There is a pretty good tutorial and FAQ at: http://www.gnupg.org/(en)/documentation/index.html and a good privacy guide, which reviews many of the basic concepts, at: http://www.gnupg.org/gph/en/manual.html Alternatively, there are books on the system from various authors if you want a more in-depth understanding of the system, its strengths and weaknesses. One of the better ones is Applied Cryptography by Bruce Schneier. HTH, Marc Schwartz From ben at burbong.com Tue Oct 28 23:30:01 2003 From: ben at burbong.com (Ben Stringer) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 10:30:01 +1100 Subject: Evolution crashes In-Reply-To: <1067369329.2051.2.camel@dbxwsd21> References: <1067369329.2051.2.camel@dbxwsd21> Message-ID: <1067383800.23719.5.camel@hillary> On Wed, 2003-10-29 at 06:28, Will Backman wrote: > rpm -q evolution > evolution-1.4.5-5 > > I've had a few crashes in the past two days. More like Outlook evey > day. ;) Is there a good way to get debugging info? I'd like to submit > more than "deleted a message, crash dialog came up." > > Hints anyone? I have been getting this a lot also - when I select a message. I logged a bug with Ximian, and it was noted that it was likely to be the glibc "dl_open" bug. I picked up a new glibc in the rawhide update last night, but I'm not sure if it has the fix I need. Cheers, Ben > > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list -- Ben Stringer From ms-nospam-0306 at arcor.de Tue Oct 28 23:43:03 2003 From: ms-nospam-0306 at arcor.de (Michael Schwendt) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 00:43:03 +0100 Subject: contrib galeon 1.3.10 In-Reply-To: <1067368718.3659.80.camel@wintermute.sr.unh.edu> References: <1067262007.1296.2.camel@nyarlathotep.fedora> <1067263766.15177.65.camel@gruyere> <1067271071.4808.39.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> <1067284122.18948.4.camel@LORDLINUX.global.shsystem.org> <1067285013.5963.1.camel@wombat.tiptoe.de> <1067352327.3659.14.camel@wintermute.sr.unh.edu> <20031028182027.5036b7b0.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de> <1067368718.3659.80.camel@wintermute.sr.unh.edu> Message-ID: <20031029004303.3f9c4d93.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 14:18:38 -0500, Thomas J. Baker wrote: > > One more reason to help approving fedora.us's galeon package, > > because once published it would be available on several mirrors. > > https://bugzilla.fedora.us/show_bug.cgi?id=698 > > Do I have to go through the Introduction thing before I'm allowed to > comment/approve or is just having a bugzilla account enough? A bugzilla account is enough for getting involved. A published public GPG key is even better for the occasional security relevant comments which ought to be clearsigned: http://www.fedora.us/wiki/PackageSubmissionQAPolicy http://www.fedora.us/wiki/QAChecklist > I plan on doing the introduction thing but I have to find the link to > the Wiki page again. http://www.fedora.us/wiki/SelfIntroduction linked from here: http://www.fedora.us/wiki/PackageSubmissionQAPolicy - -- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/nv8H0iMVcrivHFQRAoqyAJ9KrmWrQlZzd94iBsN6oqTRWDvvOQCfTomV iaipBVAuSicwbbXnWzt4R6s= =to1P -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From iainr at zathras.org Wed Oct 29 00:35:11 2003 From: iainr at zathras.org (Iain Rae) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 00:35:11 +0000 Subject: An end to the GRUB/LILO threads... In-Reply-To: <20031028171436.GI22946@rednote.net> References: <1066854659.7821.17.camel@mirkwood.devel.redhat.com> <20031028171436.GI22946@rednote.net> Message-ID: <3F9F0B3F.5050709@zathras.org> Janina Sajka wrote: >Jeremy Katz writes: > > >>From: Jeremy Katz >>3) The a11y question, but the comments about placing ^G's in the title >>should make that moot I think, as that's essentially what you do with >>lilo as well. >> >> > >Ahem, comments are not testing and are no substitute for it ... > > > Take the splashimage line out of your menu.lst file, the control G's will only work with a text display, I assumed you'd know that based on your lilo comments. We don't use the splashimage stuff at work which is where I tested it. From gstool at earthlink.net Wed Oct 29 00:44:54 2003 From: gstool at earthlink.net (Gerry Tool) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 18:44:54 -0600 Subject: Printer Margin Setting Problem Message-ID: <1067388294.5886.9.camel@gstpc.earthlink.net> I have a Samsung ML-1750 laser printer which is installed using the ML-1200 printer definition. Installation created a ml1750.ppd file in /etc/cups/ppd. The upper and left margins are incorrect. That corner of the page is "off the page". I have tried setting the margins in the printer configuration tool and by direct editing of the imageable area for Letter (which is the page size selected) in ml1750.ppd. Neither of these causes any effect on the printed page as it comes from Kate, even after restarting cups or rebooting. What am I missing? Thanks. Gerry Tool From maxka at myrealbox.com Wed Oct 29 00:48:12 2003 From: maxka at myrealbox.com (Maxwell Kanat-Alexander) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 16:48:12 -0800 Subject: oo.org-1.1.0-3 wants mozilla 1.4, but I don't In-Reply-To: <1067377986.4159.22.camel@T6.linux> References: <1067354277.7973.16.camel@earth.xades.com> <1067354641.5739.64.camel@ahnews.music.salford.ac.uk> <1067355116.7973.23.camel@earth.xades.com> <1067377687.3507.12.camel@max.localdomain> <1067377986.4159.22.camel@T6.linux> Message-ID: <1067388491.18470.2.camel@max.localdomain> On Tue, 2003-10-28 at 13:53, Paul wrote: > OOo uses it's own widget set. [snip] > > In all of the source, there is *nothing* in the pure OOo source which > calls on the Moz source base. [snip] I asked in the #openoffice.org channel on freenode, and they said that the OO.org *build* process uses some Mozilla code to enable the ability to link to the Mozilla address book. I suppose that RH took that out and made it an external dependency for the SRPM. -M From nosp at xades.com Wed Oct 29 00:51:54 2003 From: nosp at xades.com (nosp) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 00:51:54 +0000 Subject: oo.org-1.1.0-3 wants mozilla 1.4, but I don't In-Reply-To: <1067388491.18470.2.camel@max.localdomain> References: <1067354277.7973.16.camel@earth.xades.com> <1067354641.5739.64.camel@ahnews.music.salford.ac.uk> <1067355116.7973.23.camel@earth.xades.com> <1067377687.3507.12.camel@max.localdomain> <1067377986.4159.22.camel@T6.linux> <1067388491.18470.2.camel@max.localdomain> Message-ID: <1067388714.7973.83.camel@earth.xades.com> On Wed, 2003-10-29 at 00:48, Maxwell Kanat-Alexander wrote: > I asked in the #openoffice.org channel on freenode, and they said that > the OO.org *build* process uses some Mozilla code to enable the ability > to link to the Mozilla address book. > > I suppose that RH took that out and made it an external dependency for > the SRPM. But the RPM (not SRPM) also depends on mozilla, so there must be something more/different to it... From ramanan54 at hotmail.com Wed Oct 29 00:53:21 2003 From: ramanan54 at hotmail.com (VENKAT RAMANAN) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 06:23:21 +0530 Subject: Flashplayer Message-ID: after unpacking the files copy libflashplayer .so & flashplayer.xpt files to /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins. then restart mozilla. It should work. ramanan >From: Malcom Uel >Reply-To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com >To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com >Subject: Re: Flashplayer >Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 14:42:00 -0800 (PST) > > >No. Are you having problems installing it? > > >Well not as far as I know. I download it, unpack it, >cd to the directory and use the install. Then I fire >up mozilla. And it just does not work. It's installed >to my .mozilla file in my home directory. Any ideas? > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears >http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/ > > >-- >fedora-test-list mailing list >fedora-test-list at redhat.com >http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list _________________________________________________________________ Find your first love.Rekindle past joys! http://www.batchmates.com/msn.asp Get in touch with batchmates. From chrisw01 at privatei.com Wed Oct 29 01:29:01 2003 From: chrisw01 at privatei.com (Christopher A. Williams) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 18:29:01 -0700 Subject: Compiling NVIDIA driver for -ntpl kernel In-Reply-To: References: <1F336C4559FF244A90D52EFEABE98AD607CC74@nimo.nhpro.kw> Message-ID: <1067390941.3717.5.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> On Tue, 2003-10-28 at 11:11, Mike A. Harris wrote: > Because Nvidia's driver installation just blows away the > installed libGL libraries from XFree86-Mesa-libGL, and that just > happened to work randomly before. That was NEVER the proper way > to handle it. > > Now, we provide multiple libGL libraries, and Nvidia's installer > doesn't know about them, so it doesn't delete them all. As such, > when you run OpenGL applications, the dynamic linker will use the > first libGL found, and that is the TLS i686 libGL, not Nvidias. > > I've contacted Nvidia privately in order to try to come up with a > long term solution with them that is beneficial for everyone, and > isn't an ugly hack or deleting random OS provided files. They've > responded and are interested in working to find a solution. > > So, at some point in the future, these problems will hopefully be > moot. This is excellent news! Getting NVidia to have their drivers "play nice" with the rest of Fedora would be a wonderful thing indeed. Tell them I said to hurry up and get on with it...! Cheers, Chris -- ==================================== "If you get to thinkin' you're a person of some influence, try orderin' someone else's dog around." --Cowboy Wisdom From mike at netlyncs.com Wed Oct 29 01:41:35 2003 From: mike at netlyncs.com (Mike Chambers) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 19:41:35 -0600 Subject: kernel-2.6 test8 Message-ID: <1067391694.1838.2.camel@bart.netlyncs.com> Is there now going to be a test8 soon of the 2.6 kernel now that it has been released to be tested? I even tried up2dating yesterday, or was that this morning, but it failed to connect to arjan's repository, or it connected but hug. -- Mike Chambers Madisonville, KY "Can you hear me now?....GOOD!" From redhat-jc at insight.rr.com Wed Oct 29 01:47:30 2003 From: redhat-jc at insight.rr.com (Jim Cornette) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 20:47:30 -0500 Subject: no X after full upgrade from test3 to upgraded pkgs for test3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3F9F1C32.8000108@insight.rr.com> Harry Putnam wrote: > After a full upgrade this morning from older test3 to the newest > stuff, I'm unable to startx or to boot to runlevel 5. > XFREE pkgs were some of those updated and now consist of: > rpm -qa|grep XF > XFree86-libs-data-4.3.0-42 > XFree86-devel-4.3.0-42 > XFree86-libs-4.3.0-42 > XFree86-Mesa-libGL-4.3.0-42 > XFree86-Mesa-libGLU-4.3.0-42 > > I'm pretty sure there should be a bunch more from > rpm -qa|grep XF > > Particulary the font packages > > If these were not installed during upgrade there must be something > fairly major wrong since I was runnning X before the upgrade. I did > the upgrade with no X running however. > > attempting to start collecting the missing packages I tried: > up2date -i XFree86-100dpi-fonts which is now hanging at the > dependancy resolving part and been there about 1/2 hr. > > up2date version is up2date-4.12.1-4 > > I'd like to see a list of the full set of packages requred. And try > to piece them in by hand if necessary. > I had the same problem and it killed X completely. There was no listing for XFree86 being installed, after the upgrade. I ended up running mc and ftp transferred the latest files from people.redhat.com/mharris/testing/unstable/XFree86/4.3.0-42 directory and downloaded the files to a directory. Then I ran rpm -Uvh XF* when in the directory and the rpms installed and worked. It seems that the problem was with a corrupted XFree86-base-fonts- rpm. I tried to open up the rpm package with mc and this one would not open up at all. The other ones seemed to open up alright. Here are the files that were available. Believe me! unstable packages worked better than that series of upgrades. Jim [root at xfree]# ls XF* XFree86-100dpi-fonts-4.3.0-42.i386.rpm XFree86-4.3.0-42.i386.rpm XFree86-75dpi-fonts-4.3.0-42.i386.rpm XFree86-base-fonts-4.3.0-42.i386.rpm XFree86-cyrillic-fonts-4.3.0-42.i386.rpm XFree86-devel-4.3.0-42.i386.rpm XFree86-doc-4.3.0-42.i386.rpm XFree86-font-utils-4.3.0-42.i386.rpm XFree86-ISO8859-14-100dpi-fonts-4.3.0-42.i386.rpm XFree86-ISO8859-14-75dpi-fonts-4.3.0-42.i386.rpm XFree86-ISO8859-15-100dpi-fonts-4.3.0-42.i386.rpm XFree86-ISO8859-15-75dpi-fonts-4.3.0-42.i386.rpm XFree86-ISO8859-2-100dpi-fonts-4.3.0-42.i386.rpm XFree86-ISO8859-2-75dpi-fonts-4.3.0-42.i386.rpm XFree86-ISO8859-9-100dpi-fonts-4.3.0-42.i386.rpm XFree86-ISO8859-9-75dpi-fonts-4.3.0-42.i386.rpm XFree86-libs-4.3.0-42.i386.rpm XFree86-libs-data-4.3.0-42.i386.rpm XFree86-Mesa-libGL-4.3.0-42.i386.rpm XFree86-Mesa-libGLU-4.3.0-42.i386.rpm XFree86-sdk-4.3.0-42.i386.rpm XFree86-syriac-fonts-4.3.0-42.i386.rpm XFree86-tools-4.3.0-42.i386.rpm XFree86-truetype-fonts-4.3.0-42.i386.rpm XFree86-twm-4.3.0-42.i386.rpm XFree86-xauth-4.3.0-42.i386.rpm XFree86-xdm-4.3.0-42.i386.rpm XFree86-xfs-4.3.0-42.i386.rpm XFree86-Xnest-4.3.0-42.i386.rpm XFree86-Xvfb-4.3.0-42.i386.rpm From anvil at livna.org Wed Oct 29 01:48:05 2003 From: anvil at livna.org (Dams) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 02:48:05 +0100 Subject: kernel-2.6 test8 In-Reply-To: <1067391694.1838.2.camel@bart.netlyncs.com> References: <1067391694.1838.2.camel@bart.netlyncs.com> Message-ID: <1067392084.15177.2148.camel@gruyere> AFAIK, arjan already packaged test9 kernel. Take a look at http://people.redhat.com/arjanv/2.5/RPMS.kernel/ D Le mer 29/10/2003 ? 02:41, Mike Chambers a ?crit : > Is there now going to be a test8 soon of the 2.6 kernel now that it has > been released to be tested? > > I even tried up2dating yesterday, or was that this morning, but it > failed to connect to arjan's repository, or it connected but hug. -- Dams Nad? Anvil/Anvilou on irc.freenode.net : #Linux-Fr, #Fedora I am looking for a job : http://livna.org/~anvil/cv.php "Dona Nobis Pacem E Dona Eis Requiem". Noir. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Ceci est une partie de message num?riquement sign?e. URL: From mike at netlyncs.com Wed Oct 29 01:49:25 2003 From: mike at netlyncs.com (Mike Chambers) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 19:49:25 -0600 Subject: kernel-2.6 test8 In-Reply-To: <1067391694.1838.2.camel@bart.netlyncs.com> References: <1067391694.1838.2.camel@bart.netlyncs.com> Message-ID: <1067392165.1838.4.camel@bart.netlyncs.com> On Tue, 2003-10-28 at 19:41, Mike Chambers wrote: > Is there now going to be a test8 soon of the 2.6 kernel now that it has > been released to be tested? > > I even tried up2dating yesterday, or was that this morning, but it > failed to connect to arjan's repository, or it connected but hug. Ooops, I meant test9, and I see that Arjan already has it built. -- Mike Chambers Madisonville, KY "Can you hear me now?....GOOD!" From grant at tuins.ac.jp Wed Oct 29 01:54:41 2003 From: grant at tuins.ac.jp (rg) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 10:54:41 +0900 Subject: shutting down mouse services fails on test 1-3; not on rh9 In-Reply-To: <1067392084.15177.2148.camel@gruyere> References: <1067391694.1838.2.camel@bart.netlyncs.com> <1067392084.15177.2148.camel@gruyere> Message-ID: <3F9F1DE1.6070608@tuins.ac.jp> During the shutdown sequence, Shutting down mouse services on one of my machines always returns a [FAILED] on FEdora Tests 1-3. No problems on RH9. I notice no problems in terms of operation however. Anything to look for? Anyone else with the same prob? ralston From seyman at wanadoo.fr Wed Oct 29 01:56:52 2003 From: seyman at wanadoo.fr (Emmanuel Seyman) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 02:56:52 +0100 Subject: kernel-2.6 test8 In-Reply-To: <1067391694.1838.2.camel@bart.netlyncs.com> References: <1067391694.1838.2.camel@bart.netlyncs.com> Message-ID: <20031029015652.GA1827@orient.maison> On Tue, Oct 28, 2003 at 07:41:35PM -0600, Mike Chambers wrote: > > Is there now going to be a test8 soon of the 2.6 kernel now that it has > been released to be tested? ??? There's a test9 rpm out now. http://people.redhat.com/~arjanv/2.5/RPMS.kernel/ Emmanuel From gusto at idt.net Wed Oct 29 02:00:45 2003 From: gusto at idt.net (Gus Vigo) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 21:00:45 -0500 Subject: kernel-2.6 test8 In-Reply-To: <20031029015652.GA1827@orient.maison> Message-ID: excuse my ignorance, but i'm a newbie still... which rpm command would i use to install this rpm? never upgraded a kernel before... thnks dudes On Wed, 29 Oct 2003 02:56:52 +0100 Emmanuel Seyman wrote: > On Tue, Oct 28, 2003 at 07:41:35PM -0600, Mike Chambers > wrote: > > > > Is there now going to be a test8 soon of the 2.6 kernel > >now that it has > > been released to be tested? > > ??? > There's a test9 rpm out now. > http://people.redhat.com/~arjanv/2.5/RPMS.kernel/ > > Emmanuel > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From rpjday at mindspring.com Wed Oct 29 03:00:39 2003 From: rpjday at mindspring.com (Robert P. J. Day) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 22:00:39 -0500 (EST) Subject: kernel-2.6 test8 In-Reply-To: <20031029015652.GA1827@orient.maison> Message-ID: On Wed, 29 Oct 2003, Emmanuel Seyman wrote: > On Tue, Oct 28, 2003 at 07:41:35PM -0600, Mike Chambers wrote: > > > > Is there now going to be a test8 soon of the 2.6 kernel now that it has > > been released to be tested? > > ??? > There's a test9 rpm out now. > http://people.redhat.com/~arjanv/2.5/RPMS.kernel/ from a previous posting, i recall someone referring to the RH kernel release as being "heavily patched" from the pristine source. while i plan on opening up the src.rpm to see what the patches are, can someone summarize the *major* RH changes? just curious. rday From davej at redhat.com Wed Oct 29 03:20:39 2003 From: davej at redhat.com (Dave Jones) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 03:20:39 +0000 Subject: kernel-2.6 test8 In-Reply-To: References: <20031029015652.GA1827@orient.maison> Message-ID: <20031029032039.GB6859@redhat.com> On Tue, Oct 28, 2003 at 10:00:39PM -0500, Robert P. J. Day wrote: > from a previous posting, i recall someone referring to the RH kernel > release as being "heavily patched" from the pristine source. while i plan > on opening up the src.rpm to see what the patches are, can someone > summarize the *major* RH changes? just curious. NPTL. HT aware O(1) Scheduler with interactivity improvements from 2.6 Exec-Shield. CPUFreq Low-latency Laptop-mode Lots of small fixes.. Dave From mark at mark.mielke.cc Wed Oct 29 03:21:37 2003 From: mark at mark.mielke.cc (Mark Mielke) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 22:21:37 -0500 Subject: /etc/rc.d/init.d/mysqld hardcodes datadir - mysql won't load Message-ID: <20031029032137.GA1643@mark.mielke.cc> I have my datadir on a dedicated mysql partition. Every time I update mysql, I have to change /etc/rc.d/init.d/mysqld to point to my datadir. Shouldn't it grab datadir from /etc/my.cnf? Why does it hardcode it? Was it just easier that way? The symptom is that it tries to 'Initializing MySQL database: ', and then fails, because /usr/bin/mysql_install_db honours /etc/my.cnf and is able to determine (I guess?) that there is nothing to do. When init.d/mysqld continues, $datadir still doesn't exist... Cheers, mark -- mark at mielke.cc/markm at ncf.ca/markm at nortelnetworks.com __________________________ . . _ ._ . . .__ . . ._. .__ . . . .__ | Neighbourhood Coder |\/| |_| |_| |/ |_ |\/| | |_ | |/ |_ | | | | | | \ | \ |__ . | | .|. |__ |__ | \ |__ | Ottawa, Ontario, Canada One ring to rule them all, one ring to find them, one ring to bring them all and in the darkness bind them... http://mark.mielke.cc/ From JDrabb at tampabay.rr.com Wed Oct 29 03:22:46 2003 From: JDrabb at tampabay.rr.com (James Drabb) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 22:22:46 -0500 Subject: kernel-2.6 test8 In-Reply-To: <1067392084.15177.2148.camel@gruyere> References: <1067391694.1838.2.camel@bart.netlyncs.com> <1067392084.15177.2148.camel@gruyere> Message-ID: <1067397761.5660.69.camel@keelie.tampabay.rr.com> On Tue, 2003-10-28 at 20:48, Dams wrote: > AFAIK, arjan already packaged test9 kernel. Take a look at > http://people.redhat.com/arjanv/2.5/RPMS.kernel/ Speaking of the 2.6 kernel, is there a list some where of all the module changes? Last time I tried a 2.6 kernel, non of my USB devices worked, especially my USB mouse. Is there any how-to of sorts of how to set up the new modules config file? Jim Drabb -- James Drabb Senior Programmer Analyst Davenport, FL USA From linhardt at swbell.net Wed Oct 29 03:46:05 2003 From: linhardt at swbell.net (Terry R Linhardt) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 21:46:05 -0600 Subject: lacking initrd-2.4.22-1.2110.nptl.img Message-ID: <1067399164.1823.10.camel@chastain> I have Severn Release 3 installed as a *2nd* OS on a laptop. (The first OS is RedHat 9). GRUB is located on the MBR. I've configured grub.conf from the original install, and it boots kernel-2.4.22-1.2088.nptl just fine. However, I downloaded updates, including kernel 2.4.22-1.2110.nptl. I see the kernel in my /boot directory. However, I cannot find initrd-2.4.22-1.2110.nptl.img. And, the system certainly complains if it is not present. Advice? Hints? Thanks...Terry -- Terry R Linhardt From cmadams at hiwaay.net Wed Oct 29 04:04:44 2003 From: cmadams at hiwaay.net (Chris Adams) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 22:04:44 -0600 Subject: /etc/rc.d/init.d/mysqld hardcodes datadir - mysql won't load In-Reply-To: <20031029032137.GA1643@mark.mielke.cc> References: <20031029032137.GA1643@mark.mielke.cc> Message-ID: <20031029040444.GA1434327@hiwaay.net> Once upon a time, Mark Mielke said: > The symptom is that it tries to 'Initializing MySQL database: ', and then > fails, because /usr/bin/mysql_install_db honours /etc/my.cnf and is able > to determine (I guess?) that there is nothing to do. When init.d/mysqld > continues, $datadir still doesn't exist... Since the "initializing MySQL database" is something that only has to be done once, just let it do it in the default place and then leave that directory alone. The init script thinks the database is initialized, you change /etc/my.cnf to point to your real database, and you don't have to edit anything going forward. -- Chris Adams Systems and Network Administrator - HiWAAY Internet Services I don't speak for anybody but myself - that's enough trouble. From cochranb at speakeasy.net Wed Oct 29 04:12:12 2003 From: cochranb at speakeasy.net (Robert L Cochran) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 23:12:12 -0500 Subject: lacking initrd-2.4.22-1.2110.nptl.img In-Reply-To: <1067399164.1823.10.camel@chastain> References: <1067399164.1823.10.camel@chastain> Message-ID: <3F9F3E1C.1010304@speakeasy.net> There was a long thread in this list a while ago under this subject heading: Re: Question about dual-booting two versions of RedHat that I suggest you read. Search the archives for the thread. I'd like to point out that Edward C. Bailey wrote a particularly good response discussing how he dual-boots a system, and you would benefit from studying it. In fact go through the whole thread to see what everyone says. Bob Terry R Linhardt wrote: > I have Severn Release 3 installed as a *2nd* OS on a laptop. (The first > OS is RedHat 9). GRUB is located on the MBR. I've configured grub.conf > from the original install, and it boots kernel-2.4.22-1.2088.nptl just > fine. > > However, I downloaded updates, including kernel 2.4.22-1.2110.nptl. I > see the kernel in my /boot directory. However, I cannot find > initrd-2.4.22-1.2110.nptl.img. And, the system certainly complains if > it is not present. > > Advice? Hints? > > Thanks...Terry -- Bob Cochran Greenbelt, Maryland, USA http://greenbeltcomputer.biz/ From fedora at andrewfarris.com Wed Oct 29 04:20:05 2003 From: fedora at andrewfarris.com (Andrew Farris) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 20:20:05 -0800 Subject: gnome errors In-Reply-To: <1067379911.4331.93.camel@home-04019.b.astral.ro> References: <8238.64.223.201.130.1067376597.squirrel@mail.ceimaine.org> <1067379911.4331.93.camel@home-04019.b.astral.ro> Message-ID: <1067401205.29218.90.camel@CirithUngol> On Tue, 2003-10-28 at 14:25, Razvan Corneliu C.R. "d3vi1" VILT wrote: > On Tue, 2003-10-28 at 23:29, Will Backman wrote: > > I went into a KDE session, and ran Evolution, but the disk ran hard for a > > while and then stopped, so I tried running it from the command line. Here > > is what I got: > > > The problem is (I think) that when gnome-session is started again (new > logon), it cannot connect again to gconfd-2, bonobo-activation-server > etc., because they shouldn't be running in the first place. > > The solution(it's not really a solution) is to kill them before > logging-in again. > Have you seen these commands? They are supposed to correct this problem when it occurs but don't always manage to. Its worth trying before killing the processes separately however. killev oaf-slay > Evolution also does not die sometimes, because it's still connected to > the server (IMAP in this case). Unfortunately the Evolution is shutting > down window disappears, so you cannot really know when it's dead unless > you do a process listing. > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list -- Andrew Farris From ruinaudio at comcast.net Wed Oct 29 04:28:27 2003 From: ruinaudio at comcast.net (Ryan) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 22:28:27 -0600 Subject: Up2Date still having problems... In-Reply-To: <3F9EE517.6070706@haitsma.org> References: <20031028144301.19976.18245.Mailman@listman.back-rdu.redhat.com> <3F9EE191.7080706@navilogix.com> <3F9EE517.6070706@haitsma.org> Message-ID: <1067401707.4215.2.camel@ruin> Hi list, I really don't see why running up2date should with all certainty eff my computer somehow. Yet it sure seems that the last few times that's just what happens. I can't find a more recent up2date on any of the mirrors. Did I miss something about this earlier? Can I do something to help? [root at ruin root]# up2date Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/share/rhn/up2date_client/gui.py", line 1365, in onChannelsPageNext self.pList.run() File "/usr/share/rhn/up2date_client/packageList.py", line 123, in run progressCallback = self.progressCallback ) File "/usr/share/rhn/up2date_client/rhnPackageInfo.py", line 404, in obsoletesList progressCallback = progressCallback ) File "/usr/share/rhn/up2date_client/rpcServer.py", line 110, in doCall ret = apply(method, args, kwargs) File "/usr/share/rhn/up2date_client/repoDirector.py", line 27, in getObsoletes return self.handlers[channel['type']].getObsoletes(channel, msgCallback, progressCallback) File "/usr/share/rhn/up2date_client/rpmSource.py", line 249, in getObsoletes msgCallback, progressCallback) File "/usr/share/rhn/up2date_client/repoBackends/yumRepo.py", line 293, in getObsoletes pkgList = self.pkglists[channel['label']] KeyError: rawhide Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/share/rhn/up2date_client/gui.py", line 1431, in onSkippedPagePrepare self.__preparePackageList() File "/usr/share/rhn/up2date_client/gui.py", line 1317, in __preparePackageList self.pList.run() File "/usr/share/rhn/up2date_client/packageList.py", line 123, in run progressCallback = self.progressCallback ) File "/usr/share/rhn/up2date_client/rhnPackageInfo.py", line 404, in obsoletesList progressCallback = progressCallback ) File "/usr/share/rhn/up2date_client/rpcServer.py", line 110, in doCall ret = apply(method, args, kwargs) File "/usr/share/rhn/up2date_client/repoDirector.py", line 27, in getObsoletes return self.handlers[channel['type']].getObsoletes(channel, msgCallback, progressCallback) File "/usr/share/rhn/up2date_client/rpmSource.py", line 249, in getObsoletes msgCallback, progressCallback) File "/usr/share/rhn/up2date_client/repoBackends/yumRepo.py", line 293, in getObsoletes pkgList = self.pkglists[channel['label']] KeyError: rawhide TypeError: hide() takes no arguments (2 given) [root at ruin root]# rpm -qa | grep up2date up2date-gnome-4.1.11-3 up2date-4.1.11-3 From ruinaudio at comcast.net Wed Oct 29 04:32:26 2003 From: ruinaudio at comcast.net (Ryan) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 22:32:26 -0600 Subject: Up2Date still having problems... In-Reply-To: <1067401707.4215.2.camel@ruin> References: <20031028144301.19976.18245.Mailman@listman.back-rdu.redhat.com> <3F9EE191.7080706@navilogix.com> <3F9EE517.6070706@haitsma.org> <1067401707.4215.2.camel@ruin> Message-ID: <1067401946.5120.2.camel@ruin> On Tue, 2003-10-28 at 22:28, Ryan wrote: Ok I found the new up2date and installed it manually, by anger is abated. thanks and sorry for the "tone", -ry > Hi list, > > I really don't see why running up2date should with all certainty eff my > computer somehow. Yet it sure seems that the last few times that's just > what happens. > > I can't find a more recent up2date on any of the mirrors. Did I miss > something about this earlier? Can I do something to help? > > [root at ruin root]# up2date > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "/usr/share/rhn/up2date_client/gui.py", line 1365, in > onChannelsPageNext > self.pList.run() > File "/usr/share/rhn/up2date_client/packageList.py", line 123, in run > progressCallback = self.progressCallback ) > File "/usr/share/rhn/up2date_client/rhnPackageInfo.py", line 404, in > obsoletesList > progressCallback = progressCallback ) > File "/usr/share/rhn/up2date_client/rpcServer.py", line 110, in doCall > ret = apply(method, args, kwargs) > File "/usr/share/rhn/up2date_client/repoDirector.py", line 27, in > getObsoletes > return self.handlers[channel['type']].getObsoletes(channel, > msgCallback, progressCallback) > File "/usr/share/rhn/up2date_client/rpmSource.py", line 249, in > getObsoletes > msgCallback, progressCallback) > File "/usr/share/rhn/up2date_client/repoBackends/yumRepo.py", line > 293, in getObsoletes > pkgList = self.pkglists[channel['label']] > KeyError: rawhide > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "/usr/share/rhn/up2date_client/gui.py", line 1431, in > onSkippedPagePrepare > self.__preparePackageList() > File "/usr/share/rhn/up2date_client/gui.py", line 1317, in > __preparePackageList > self.pList.run() > File "/usr/share/rhn/up2date_client/packageList.py", line 123, in run > progressCallback = self.progressCallback ) > File "/usr/share/rhn/up2date_client/rhnPackageInfo.py", line 404, in > obsoletesList > progressCallback = progressCallback ) > File "/usr/share/rhn/up2date_client/rpcServer.py", line 110, in doCall > ret = apply(method, args, kwargs) > File "/usr/share/rhn/up2date_client/repoDirector.py", line 27, in > getObsoletes > return self.handlers[channel['type']].getObsoletes(channel, > msgCallback, progressCallback) > File "/usr/share/rhn/up2date_client/rpmSource.py", line 249, in > getObsoletes > msgCallback, progressCallback) > File "/usr/share/rhn/up2date_client/repoBackends/yumRepo.py", line > 293, in getObsoletes > pkgList = self.pkglists[channel['label']] > KeyError: rawhide > TypeError: hide() takes no arguments (2 given) > > [root at ruin root]# rpm -qa | grep up2date > up2date-gnome-4.1.11-3 > up2date-4.1.11-3 > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From knxmay001 at mail.uct.ac.za Wed Oct 29 04:56:52 2003 From: knxmay001 at mail.uct.ac.za (Maynard Kuona) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 06:56:52 +0200 Subject: kernel-2.6 test8 In-Reply-To: <1067397761.5660.69.camel@keelie.tampabay.rr.com> References: <1067391694.1838.2.camel@bart.netlyncs.com> <1067392084.15177.2148.camel@gruyere> <1067397761.5660.69.camel@keelie.tampabay.rr.com> Message-ID: <1067403412.3295.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2003-10-29 at 05:22, James Drabb wrote: > On Tue, 2003-10-28 at 20:48, Dams wrote: > > AFAIK, arjan already packaged test9 kernel. Take a look at > > http://people.redhat.com/arjanv/2.5/RPMS.kernel/ > > Speaking of the 2.6 kernel, is there a list some where of all the module > changes? Last time I tried a 2.6 kernel, non of my USB devices worked, > especially my USB mouse. Is there any how-to of sorts of how to set up > the new modules config file? > > Jim Drabb Here's what I did to get mine working. The driver for the USB mouse and keyboard had a name changes it seems. Not they are called usbkbd and usbmouse. To preserve compatibility with the other kernels I had (2.4's) I did the folloing to the modprobe.conf.dist. I replaced the lines action $"Initializing USB keyboard: " modprobe keybdev 2> /dev/null action $"Initializing USB mouse: " modprobe mousedev 2> /dev/null with if grep -q "2.4" /proc/version; then action $"Initializing USB keyboard: " modprobe keybdev 2> /dev/null action $"Initializing USB mouse: " modprobe mousedev 2> /dev/null elif grep -q "2.6" /proc/version; then action $"Initializing USB keyboard: " modprobe usbkbd 2> /dev/null action $"Initializing USB mouse: " modprobe usbmouse 2> /dev/null fi I also changed the line in modprobe.conf from alias usb-controller usb-uhci to alias usb-controller uhci-hcd I am not sure how much of this was necessary though. But it seems to be working. A little weirdness is that kernel 2.6 detects my mouse connected to USB as a PS/2 mouse. Kudzu wants to add the new configuration but I told it to "do nothing" and it works fine. The 2.6 kernel actually does not seem to mind me changing the mouse from the USB port to the PS/2 port and vice versa. I read somewhere that it was pretty good at this and did not require configuration again. Hope this solves your problem. From fedora at warmcat.com Mon Oct 27 21:56:03 2003 From: fedora at warmcat.com (Andy Green) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 22:56:03 +0100 Subject: samba trouble In-Reply-To: <200310271633.11652.czar@czarc.net> References: <20031027140657.26377.qmail@web20712.mail.yahoo.com> <200310272108.18038.fedora@warmcat.com> <200310271633.11652.czar@czarc.net> Message-ID: <200310272156.04344.fedora@warmcat.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Monday 27 October 2003 21:33, Gene C. wrote: > OK, I can see doing this on an internal system which is running an iptables > "personal" firewall. However, making it too easy for someone to do on a > true firewall between your system(s) and the "real Internet" is inviting > disaster. That's a good point. But... what is the meaning of the availability of samba packages if there is no simple way to expose their services? Not going to be very convincing for the shell-challenged to use Samba if getting it to actually talk after installing it stays a mystical secret not on the local firewall UI. The firewall app could do the same as I did, for 137:139 it limits access to the local subnet by iptables filtering. In fact it could do with another per-item checkbox saying if the service is only exposed to machines on the local subnet or open to all comers -- and for every service that checkbox should be set for local subnet only by default. For a super bonus jackpot to the implementor it could have per-item interface checkboxes for multihomed hosts. - -Andy -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/nZRzjKeDCxMJCTIRAjR0AJsFzeKFN+aeGnWrQZaWc7Bzp16bnQCcCstQ DeLL+SLXpk/bzgTJzWKrbe8= =vRBq -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From m.weerasinghe at ntlworld.com Mon Oct 27 22:07:13 2003 From: m.weerasinghe at ntlworld.com (Matheesha) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 22:07:13 +0000 Subject: laptop dhcp fails on severn In-Reply-To: <1067125414.2612.20.camel@node10a62.a2000.nl> References: <1067023024.3449.36.camel@cpc3-hem12-3-0-cust199.lutn.cable.ntl.com> <1067125414.2612.20.camel@node10a62.a2000.nl> Message-ID: <1067292432.2952.0.camel@cpc1-hem12-3-0-cust208.lutn.cable.ntl.com> Thanks. I'll give it a shot at work. M@ On Sun, 2003-10-26 at 00:43, Tino Meinen wrote: > Matheesha, > I tip I got from Ed Hill when I had network problems: > Try this: put the kudzu service off (redhat-config-services), and then > reboot. > See if that improves your networking > (if your system isn't getting new IP information through DHCP, I guess > it will keep the old config, so that could explain what you saw?) > > see bug > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=107389 > Tino > > Op vr 24-10-2003, om 21:17 schreef Matheesha: > > Sean, > > > > I've noticed the same problems on my laptop. My suspicions are on the > > cardbus NIC drivers (is it tulip ?). My dlink 680TXD was getting a lease > > on my home coyotelinux floppy NAT server. But it couldn't contact the > > NAT server nevermind the outside world! I was just trying to ping it and > > it wouldnt work. They are on the same subnet (obviously) and were > > connected through a cross over cable. I tried renewing the lease using > > dhclient with no joy. Didn't try doing a network restart and instead > > rebooted (Force of habit from windows. Bad habits die hard I guess). > > > > The laptop was then taken to work and used with the same results. I got > > a lease but couldn't do any network name resolutions. I swapped cards > > with a 3com 589 like you did and things were the same. Out of curiosity > > I checked redhat-config-network and the DNS tab was still showing my > > home ISP DNS server entries! I deleted these and I was then able to do > > name resolution. > > > > I am not sure if the DLink didn't work at work because it may have been > > still remembering the home ISP DNS servers.Incidentally the laptop had > > just been freshly installed with severn 0.95. I am not sure if there are > > any updates like the kernel updates which may be addressing these > > issues. I couldnt get the NIC working to update the kernel! > > > > I was too tired from working late the last few days to do more > > troubleshooting. Will do though if someone needs more information to > > troubleshoot this issue. > > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From warren at togami.com Wed Oct 29 05:10:06 2003 From: warren at togami.com (Warren Togami) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 19:10:06 -1000 Subject: kernel-2.6 test8 In-Reply-To: <20031029032039.GB6859@redhat.com> References: <20031029015652.GA1827@orient.maison> <20031029032039.GB6859@redhat.com> Message-ID: <3F9F4BAE.3040401@togami.com> Dave Jones wrote: > Laptop-mode Laptop mode is back? Woo!! BTW, what happened with those possible corruption issues? Were they isolated to that one brand of hard drive? Warren From knxmay001 at mail.uct.ac.za Wed Oct 29 05:21:23 2003 From: knxmay001 at mail.uct.ac.za (Maynard Kuona) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 07:21:23 +0200 Subject: kernel-2.6 test8 In-Reply-To: <1067403412.3295.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1067391694.1838.2.camel@bart.netlyncs.com> <1067392084.15177.2148.camel@gruyere> <1067397761.5660.69.camel@keelie.tampabay.rr.com> <1067403412.3295.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1067404882.3451.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2003-10-29 at 06:56, Maynard Kuona wrote: > On Wed, 2003-10-29 at 05:22, James Drabb wrote: > > On Tue, 2003-10-28 at 20:48, Dams wrote: > > > AFAIK, arjan already packaged test9 kernel. Take a look at > > > http://people.redhat.com/arjanv/2.5/RPMS.kernel/ > > > > Speaking of the 2.6 kernel, is there a list some where of all the module > > changes? Last time I tried a 2.6 kernel, non of my USB devices worked, > > especially my USB mouse. Is there any how-to of sorts of how to set up > > the new modules config file? > > > > Jim Drabb > > Here's what I did to get mine working. > > The driver for the USB mouse and keyboard had a name changes it seems. > Not they are called usbkbd and usbmouse. To preserve compatibility with > the other kernels I had (2.4's) I did the folloing to the > modprobe.conf.dist. I replaced the lines Actually I changed this in the /etc/rc.sysinit not /etc/modprobe.conf.dist as I said before. Sorry about that little error. > > action $"Initializing USB keyboard: " modprobe keybdev 2> /dev/null > action $"Initializing USB mouse: " modprobe mousedev 2> /dev/null > with > > if grep -q "2.4" /proc/version; then > action $"Initializing USB keyboard: " modprobe keybdev 2> /dev/null > action $"Initializing USB mouse: " modprobe mousedev 2> /dev/null > elif grep -q "2.6" /proc/version; then > action $"Initializing USB keyboard: " modprobe usbkbd 2> /dev/null > action $"Initializing USB mouse: " modprobe usbmouse 2> /dev/null > fi > > I also changed the line in modprobe.conf from > > alias usb-controller usb-uhci > > to > > alias usb-controller uhci-hcd > > I am not sure how much of this was necessary though. But it seems to be > working. A little weirdness is that kernel 2.6 detects my mouse > connected to USB as a PS/2 mouse. Kudzu wants to add the new > configuration but I told it to "do nothing" and it works fine. The 2.6 > kernel actually does not seem to mind me changing the mouse from the USB > port to the PS/2 port and vice versa. I read somewhere that it was > pretty good at this and did not require configuration again. Hope this > solves your problem. > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From razvan.vilt at linux360.ro Wed Oct 29 07:00:58 2003 From: razvan.vilt at linux360.ro (Razvan Corneliu C.R. "d3vi1" VILT) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 09:00:58 +0200 Subject: shutting down mouse services fails on test 1-3; not on rh9 In-Reply-To: <3F9F1DE1.6070608@tuins.ac.jp> References: <1067391694.1838.2.camel@bart.netlyncs.com> <1067392084.15177.2148.camel@gruyere> <3F9F1DE1.6070608@tuins.ac.jp> Message-ID: <1067410858.4331.107.camel@home-04019.b.astral.ro> On Wed, 2003-10-29 at 03:54, rg wrote: > During the shutdown sequence, Shutting down mouse services on one of my > machines always returns a [FAILED] on FEdora Tests 1-3. No problems on > RH9. I notice no problems in terms of operation however. Anything to > look for? Anyone else with the same prob? Yeah... gpm always crashes... Sometimes at service start-up. Other times randomly when switching from console to X11... Weird... reminds me of RedHat 7.0 & 7.2. Oct 28 16:48:19 home-04019 gpm[4315]: O0o.oops(): [gpm.c(949)]: Oct 28 16:48:19 home-04019 gpm[4315]: mouse initialization failed > > ralston > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From p00mda at du.se Wed Oct 29 07:36:18 2003 From: p00mda at du.se (Mattias Dahlberg) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 08:36:18 +0100 (CET) Subject: Up2Date still having problems... In-Reply-To: <3F9EE191.7080706@navilogix.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 28 Oct 2003, Josh McKenna wrote: > got up2date-4.1.12-1 and when I use it to get a package I don't have > it still bombs at the dependency check part... > > any progress on this? It seems like certain packages are causing this. If I select gnome-vfs2 up2date never gets past the dependency checking. Regards, Mattias From daniel-wittenberg at starken.com Wed Oct 29 07:42:46 2003 From: daniel-wittenberg at starken.com (Daniel Wittenberg) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 01:42:46 -0600 Subject: rhgb/graphical boot questions Message-ID: <1067413366.25074.1.camel@hawk.wittenberg.org> I just applied the updates since about Wed/Thursday, and the graphical boot no longer works. I didn't see anything on this list about it, so ideas? Still configured the same as it was, just doesn't work. Also, when you see the messages "Starting network services..." where does that "pretty message" come from? I've got a couple custom apps I'd like to have them print a nicer message. Thanks, Dan From rpjday at mindspring.com Wed Oct 29 07:49:50 2003 From: rpjday at mindspring.com (Robert P. J. Day) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 02:49:50 -0500 (EST) Subject: kernel-2.6 test8 In-Reply-To: <20031029032039.GB6859@redhat.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 29 Oct 2003, Dave Jones wrote: > On Tue, Oct 28, 2003 at 10:00:39PM -0500, Robert P. J. Day wrote: > > from a previous posting, i recall someone referring to the RH kernel > > release as being "heavily patched" from the pristine source. while i plan > > on opening up the src.rpm to see what the patches are, can someone > > summarize the *major* RH changes? just curious. > > NPTL. > HT aware O(1) Scheduler with interactivity improvements from 2.6 ok, i'm a bit confused. i thought these were inherently a part of the 2.6 kernel already. why would these features be part of the *patches* added by RH to 2.6? > Exec-Shield. > CPUFreq > Low-latency > Laptop-mode > Lots of small fixes.. > > Dave rday From mark at mark.mielke.cc Wed Oct 29 08:08:30 2003 From: mark at mark.mielke.cc (Mark Mielke) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 03:08:30 -0500 Subject: /etc/rc.d/init.d/mysqld hardcodes datadir - mysql won't load In-Reply-To: <20031029040444.GA1434327@hiwaay.net> References: <20031029032137.GA1643@mark.mielke.cc> <20031029040444.GA1434327@hiwaay.net> Message-ID: <20031029080830.GA2899@mark.mielke.cc> On Tue, Oct 28, 2003 at 10:04:44PM -0600, Chris Adams wrote: > Once upon a time, Mark Mielke said: > > The symptom is that it tries to 'Initializing MySQL database: ', and then > > fails, because /usr/bin/mysql_install_db honours /etc/my.cnf and is able > > to determine (I guess?) that there is nothing to do. When init.d/mysqld > > continues, $datadir still doesn't exist... > Since the "initializing MySQL database" is something that only has to be > done once, just let it do it in the default place and then leave that > directory alone. The init script thinks the database is initialized, > you change /etc/my.cnf to point to your real database, and you don't > have to edit anything going forward. I wasn't looking for a work around. I'm looking to see if there is interest in fixing it before Fedora Core is released... :-) mark -- mark at mielke.cc/markm at ncf.ca/markm at nortelnetworks.com __________________________ . . _ ._ . . .__ . . ._. .__ . . . .__ | Neighbourhood Coder |\/| |_| |_| |/ |_ |\/| | |_ | |/ |_ | | | | | | \ | \ |__ . | | .|. |__ |__ | \ |__ | Ottawa, Ontario, Canada One ring to rule them all, one ring to find them, one ring to bring them all and in the darkness bind them... http://mark.mielke.cc/ From rpjday at mindspring.com Wed Oct 29 08:17:18 2003 From: rpjday at mindspring.com (Robert P. J. Day) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 03:17:18 -0500 (EST) Subject: /etc/rc.sysinit and dual booting 2.4 and 2.6 kernels Message-ID: i haven't yet had a chance to look at the RH-supplied patches to the 2.6 kernel, but do any of them represent patches to /etc/rc.sysinit to deal with 2.6? as a number of us have already pointed out, there are a few changes that have to be made to the /etc/rc.sysinit file to handle things like new USB module names. as a starting point, consider the guide at: http://thomer.com/linux/migrate-to-2.6.html note that the steps suggested there are if you're switching over to 2.6 permanently. what if you want to dual boot between 2.4 and 2.6? it seems that /etc/rc.sysinit has to be made general enough to handle both possibilities, with condition checks like if 2.4 then blah blah else woof woof fi is there an updated /etc/rc.sysinit that takes care of this? rday From razvan.vilt at linux360.ro Wed Oct 29 08:29:21 2003 From: razvan.vilt at linux360.ro (Razvan Corneliu C.R. "d3vi1" VILT) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 10:29:21 +0200 Subject: rhgb/graphical boot questions In-Reply-To: <1067413366.25074.1.camel@hawk.wittenberg.org> References: <1067413366.25074.1.camel@hawk.wittenberg.org> Message-ID: <1067416161.29092.1.camel@home-04019.b.astral.ro> On Wed, 2003-10-29 at 09:42, Daniel Wittenberg wrote: > I just applied the updates since about Wed/Thursday, and the graphical > boot no longer works. I didn't see anything on this list about it, so > ideas? Still configured the same as it was, just doesn't work. > > Also, when you see the messages "Starting network services..." where > does that "pretty message" come from? I've got a couple custom apps I'd > like to have them print a nicer message. > IF you look in the rhgb sources in src/main.c you have: ServiceMapping service_list[] = { {"RCclock", N_("Setting up system clock")}, {"RChostname", N_("Setting the hostname")}, {"RCmountfs", N_("Setting up local disks")}, {"random", N_("Starting random number generator")}, {"gpm", N_("Starting console mouse services")}, {"kudzu", N_("Probing for new hardware")}, {"pcmcia", N_("Starting PCMCIA card services")}, {"iptables", N_("Starting firewall")}, {"ipchains", N_("Starting firewall")}, {"apmd", N_("Starting power management services")}, {"cups", N_("Starting printing system")}, {"isdn", N_("Starting isdn")}, {"network", N_("Starting networking")}, {"sshd", N_("Starting sshd")}, {"ntpd", N_("Starting time server")}, {"rhnsd", N_("Starting Red Hat Network support")}, {"sendmail", N_("Starting E-Mail transport")}, {"spamassassin", N_("Starting E-Mail spam filter system")}, {"firstboot", N_("Starting first-time boot configuration")}, }; > Thanks, > Dan > > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From stevewa at spiritone.com Wed Oct 29 08:38:08 2003 From: stevewa at spiritone.com (Steve Ward) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 00:38:08 -0800 Subject: ATI driver with arjan's 2.6 kernels Message-ID: <3F9F7C70.5070102@spiritone.com> Is anyone else trying to use the proprietary ATI fglrx drivers with arjan's 2.6.0-test rpms? Having trouble with oopses when loading the module. Runs ok on stock Linus kernel. From pp at ee.oulu.fi Wed Oct 29 08:43:23 2003 From: pp at ee.oulu.fi (Pekka Pietikainen) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 10:43:23 +0200 Subject: Compiling NVIDIA driver for -ntpl kernel In-Reply-To: <200310281445.22802.elwoo@videotron.ca> References: <1F336C4559FF244A90D52EFEABE98AD607CC74@nimo.nhpro.kw> <1067094667.3409.4.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> <200310281445.22802.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <20031029084323.GA1951@ee.oulu.fi> On Tue, Oct 28, 2003 at 02:45:22PM -0500, Elton Woo wrote: > Newbie (and perhaps stupid) question: is there a way to remove the > nVidia GL, so that one can keep the Mesa ones? ... Or am I obliged to > continually remove the latter? As it stands, there two steps necessary > whenever I get rawhide updates: > 1) re-run the nVidia installer whenever the kernel is updated > 2) remove using --nodeps whenever XFree is updated (since I can't > update without including the Mesa-libGL package... 3) get nvidia-glx as a rpm, remove Mesa-libGL, recompile/install the kernel driver if you update the kernel. see https://bugzilla.fedora.us/show_bug.cgi?id=402 for a src.rpm I only use the glx rpm, the kernel part of the rpm is a bit too much hassle when using 2.6 (looks like the latest spec file removed it completely). For 2.4 it should work fine. -- Pekka Pietikainen From alex at taipang.com Tue Oct 28 07:27:14 2003 From: alex at taipang.com (Alor) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 12:27:14 +0500 Subject: Help me to configure XF86Config for TV-out Message-ID: <200310281227.14706.alex@taipang.com> Help me to configure XF86Config for display video on TV using tv-out of my card. Best regards, Alor. From david.balazic at uni-mb.si Wed Oct 29 08:55:36 2003 From: david.balazic at uni-mb.si (DAVID BALAZIC) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 09:55:36 +0100 Subject: State of multiple gfx cards support ? Message-ID: <01L2EAPQKTPU005BCN@rcum.uni-mb.si> "Mike A. Harris" wrote : >On Tue, 28 Oct 2003, DAVID BALAZIC wrote: > >>What is the status of multiple gfx card support ? >>redhat-config-xfree86-0.9.15-1 only detects my radeon 8500LE AGP card, but >>not the SiS 6326 PCI card. > >The config tool now can configure multihead on multihead cards. >I don't know if it is working with multiple separate cards >however. [snip] >Short story is, try it and if it works, great! If not, you're It does not work. Maybe my question was not clear enough. Here an improved version : Is redhat-config-xfree86 supposed to detect and configure multiple gfx cards, or is that outside of its scope ? I was not asking : "Do my two gfx cards work with xfree86" >best off reporting multihead bugs like that to XFree86.org >bugzilla at http://bugs.xfree86.org as each person's individual >multihead configuration tends to be quite unique due to the >complexity of variables involved. > >Hope this helps. Not much :-E) -- David Balazic E-mail : david.balazic at uni-mb.si | living in sLOVEnija home page: http://surf.to/stein -- From seyman at wanadoo.fr Wed Oct 29 09:52:35 2003 From: seyman at wanadoo.fr (Emmanuel Seyman) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 10:52:35 +0100 Subject: kernel-2.6 test8 In-Reply-To: References: <20031029015652.GA1827@orient.maison> Message-ID: <20031029095235.GA2656@orient.maison> On Tue, Oct 28, 2003 at 09:00:45PM -0500, Gus Vigo wrote: > > excuse my ignorance, but i'm a newbie still... > which rpm command would i use to install this rpm? Use the command "rpm -ivh kernel-2.6.foo-bar" . This will install then new kernel alongside the old one. Reboot and you'll be able to choose between the two kernels. You're probably better off using yum which handles the whole thing automatically. Arjanv has a README which tells you what to put in /etc/yum.conf . After that, just run "yum update" and you're done. Emmanuel From reader at newsguy.com Tue Oct 28 18:10:57 2003 From: reader at newsguy.com (Harry Putnam) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 12:10:57 -0600 Subject: no X after full upgrade from test3 to upgraded pkgs for test3 Message-ID: After a full upgrade this morning from older test3 to the newest stuff, I'm unable to startx or to boot to runlevel 5. XFREE pkgs were some of those updated and now consist of: rpm -qa|grep XF XFree86-libs-data-4.3.0-42 XFree86-devel-4.3.0-42 XFree86-libs-4.3.0-42 XFree86-Mesa-libGL-4.3.0-42 XFree86-Mesa-libGLU-4.3.0-42 I'm pretty sure there should be a bunch more from rpm -qa|grep XF Particulary the font packages If these were not installed during upgrade there must be something fairly major wrong since I was runnning X before the upgrade. I did the upgrade with no X running however. attempting to start collecting the missing packages I tried: up2date -i XFree86-100dpi-fonts which is now hanging at the dependancy resolving part and been there about 1/2 hr. up2date version is up2date-4.12.1-4 I'd like to see a list of the full set of packages requred. And try to piece them in by hand if necessary. From jakub at redhat.com Wed Oct 29 11:25:35 2003 From: jakub at redhat.com (Jakub Jelinek) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 06:25:35 -0500 Subject: Urgent testing request for openoffice.org-1.1.0-4.4 Message-ID: <20031029062535.A2097@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Hi! ftp://people.redhat.com/jakub/openoffice.org/ is another release of OO.o rpms with improved startup speed. Please test as much as possible (if there are enough success reports and no problem reports, there is (IMHO) still a small chance to make it the default; otherwise it will be in the FC1 rpms, but not as default, ie. require root to ln -sf soffice2.bin /usr/lib/openoffice/program to run the startup speed optimized version). Thanks. Jakub From jakob.pietzka at frantic-risk.de Wed Oct 29 11:42:35 2003 From: jakob.pietzka at frantic-risk.de (jakob pietzka) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 12:42:35 +0100 Subject: failed to compile kernel Message-ID: Make modules always ends with failure because it can't find some modules. Neither with kernel 2088.nptl or kernel.2100 - any suggestions? I only need the kernel source for compiling a new kernel - right? Greetings -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From reader at newsguy.com Wed Oct 29 11:52:23 2003 From: reader at newsguy.com (Harry Putnam) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 05:52:23 -0600 Subject: no X after full upgrade from test3 to upgraded pkgs for test3 In-Reply-To: <3F9F1C32.8000108@insight.rr.com> (Jim Cornette's message of "Tue, 28 Oct 2003 20:47:30 -0500") References: <3F9F1C32.8000108@insight.rr.com> Message-ID: Jim Cornette writes: > I had the same problem and it killed X completely. There was no > listing for XFree86 being installed, after the upgrade. > > I ended up running mc and ftp transferred the latest files from > people.redhat.com/mharris/testing/unstable/XFree86/4.3.0-42 directory > and downloaded the files to a directory. Then I ran rpm -Uvh XF* when > in the directory and the rpms installed and worked. > > It seems that the problem was with a corrupted > XFree86-base-fonts- rpm. I tried to open up the rpm package > with mc and this one would not open up at all. The other ones seemed > to open up alright. > > Here are the files that were available. Believe me! unstable packages > worked better than that series of upgrades. Trying your fix, I struck out at least temporarily. rpm -Uvh XF*.rpm against the packages you listed runs into a dependancy error: [root at exp reader]# rpm -Uvh XF*.rpm error: Failed dependencies: xinitrc is needed by XFree86-4.3.0-42 xinitrc >= 3.13 is needed by XFree86-xdm-4.3.0-42 Suggested resolutions: xinitrc-3.35-1.noarch.rpm But then the suggested file is unknown to up2date (on rawhide) [root at exp reader]# up2date -i xinitrc-3.35-1.noarch.rpm Fetching package list for channel: rawhide... Fetching http://ftp.redhat.com/pub/redhat/linux/rawhide//headers/header.info... ######################################## Fetching Obsoletes list for channel: rawhide... Fetching rpm headers... Name Version Rel ---------------------------------------------------------- The following packages you requested were not found: xinitrc-3.35-1.noarch.rpm I don't see it on Mikes site either. From redhat-jc at insight.rr.com Wed Oct 29 12:31:09 2003 From: redhat-jc at insight.rr.com (Jim Cornette) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 07:31:09 -0500 Subject: no X after full upgrade from test3 to upgraded pkgs for test3 In-Reply-To: References: <3F9F1C32.8000108@insight.rr.com> Message-ID: <3F9FB30D.6060903@insight.rr.com> Harry Putnam wrote: > Jim Cornette writes: > > >>I had the same problem and it killed X completely. There was no >>listing for XFree86 being installed, after the upgrade. >> >>I ended up running mc and ftp transferred the latest files from >>people.redhat.com/mharris/testing/unstable/XFree86/4.3.0-42 directory >>and downloaded the files to a directory. Then I ran rpm -Uvh XF* when >>in the directory and the rpms installed and worked. >> >>It seems that the problem was with a corrupted >>XFree86-base-fonts- rpm. I tried to open up the rpm package >>with mc and this one would not open up at all. The other ones seemed >>to open up alright. >> >>Here are the files that were available. Believe me! unstable packages >>worked better than that series of upgrades. > > > Trying your fix, I struck out at least temporarily. > > rpm -Uvh XF*.rpm against the packages you listed runs into a > dependancy error: > [root at exp reader]# rpm -Uvh XF*.rpm > error: Failed dependencies: > xinitrc is needed by XFree86-4.3.0-42 > xinitrc >= 3.13 is needed by XFree86-xdm-4.3.0-42 > Suggested resolutions: > xinitrc-3.35-1.noarch.rpm > But then the suggested file is unknown to up2date (on rawhide) > [root at exp reader]# up2date -i xinitrc-3.35-1.noarch.rpm > > Fetching package list for channel: rawhide... > > Fetching http://ftp.redhat.com/pub/redhat/linux/rawhide//headers/header.info... > ######################################## > > Fetching Obsoletes list for channel: rawhide... > > Fetching rpm headers... > > Name Version Rel > ---------------------------------------------------------- > The following packages you requested were not found: > xinitrc-3.35-1.noarch.rpm > > I don't see it on Mikes site either. The version is available through rawhide. I checked my installed version and it is what you mentioned. Try the mirror below or any similar mirror. Since you are non-gui, I find mc handy to actually see the files. A command line program should work also. Hopefully, there are not of a lot of programs that rely on xinitrc. ftp.dulug.duke.edu Then navigate to the below directory. /pub/redhat/linux/rawhide/i386/Fedora/RPMS I hope this gets your GUI up again. Jim From bpierson at charter.net Wed Oct 29 12:33:00 2003 From: bpierson at charter.net (Bradley D. Pierson) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 07:33:00 -0500 Subject: runaway kfmclient Message-ID: <1067430779.7060.1.camel@Bradley> I need help, I have tried and have had no success in killing a runaway process. the process is the kfmclient. I would appreciate any help in stopping this process. -- Bradley D. Pierson -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Heres a list: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/showdependencytree.cgi?id=100643 Other possible things to do today is to look through RFE's etc and liase with people what should be deferred until tree unfrozen: http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2003-October/msg00890.html Remember bugs filed *before* freeze may still get fixed More info about Fedora triage and bug days: http://www.fedora.us/wiki/FedoraTriage Paul From paul at frields.com Wed Oct 29 12:38:18 2003 From: paul at frields.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 07:38:18 -0500 Subject: gnome errors In-Reply-To: <1067401205.29218.90.camel@CirithUngol> References: <8238.64.223.201.130.1067376597.squirrel@mail.ceimaine.org> <1067379911.4331.93.camel@home-04019.b.astral.ro> <1067401205.29218.90.camel@CirithUngol> Message-ID: <1067431098.6588.3.camel@bettie.internal.frields.org> On Tue, 2003-10-28 at 23:20, Andrew Farris wrote: > > Evolution also does not die sometimes, because it's still connected to > > the server (IMAP in this case). Unfortunately the Evolution is shutting > > down window disappears, so you cannot really know when it's dead unless > > you do a process listing. See also Bugzilla #106826, which is related and might address your problem. The patch ensures that when the gnome-session ends, so does evolution-wombat. This fix should be in FC1, although it was rejected by upstream GNOME for some reason (not given by patch author). -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE From pauln at truemesh.com Wed Oct 29 12:48:31 2003 From: pauln at truemesh.com (Paul Nasrat) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 12:48:31 +0000 Subject: Urgent testing request for openoffice.org-1.1.0-4.4 In-Reply-To: <20031029062535.A2097@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <20031029062535.A2097@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20031029124828.GE5672@shitake.truemesh.com> On Wed, Oct 29, 2003 at 06:25:35AM -0500, Jakub Jelinek wrote: > ftp://people.redhat.com/jakub/openoffice.org/ > Please test as much as possible (if there are enough success reports > and no problem reports, there is (IMHO) still a small chance Just to remind people: http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/2003-October/msg03248.html > ln -sf soffice2.bin /usr/lib/openoffice/program > to run the startup speed optimized version). Just a thought you could provide this switch through an alternative. Paul From davej at redhat.com Wed Oct 29 12:59:28 2003 From: davej at redhat.com (Dave Jones) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 12:59:28 +0000 Subject: kernel-2.6 test8 In-Reply-To: References: <20031029032039.GB6859@redhat.com> Message-ID: <20031029125928.GA7011@redhat.com> On Wed, Oct 29, 2003 at 02:49:50AM -0500, Robert P. J. Day wrote: > > NPTL. > > HT aware O(1) Scheduler with interactivity improvements from 2.6 > > ok, i'm a bit confused. i thought these were inherently a part of the 2.6 > kernel already. why would these features be part of the *patches* added > by RH to 2.6? Oh, you meant what do we add to the 2.6 kernel RPM ? Just Exec-shield and some random small fixes iirc. Previous mail was re the 2.4 Fedora kernel. Dave From reader at newsguy.com Wed Oct 29 13:09:40 2003 From: reader at newsguy.com (Harry Putnam) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 07:09:40 -0600 Subject: no X after full upgrade from test3 to upgraded pkgs for test3 In-Reply-To: <3F9FB30D.6060903@insight.rr.com> (Jim Cornette's message of "Wed, 29 Oct 2003 07:31:09 -0500") References: <3F9F1C32.8000108@insight.rr.com> <3F9FB30D.6060903@insight.rr.com> Message-ID: Jim Cornette writes: >> following packages you requested were not found: >> xinitrc-3.35-1.noarch.rpm >> I don't see it on Mikes site either. > > The version is available through rawhide. I checked my installed > version and it is what you mentioned. > Try the mirror below or any similar mirror. Since you are non-gui, I > find mc handy to actually see the files. A command line program should > work also. Hopefully, there are not of a lot of programs that rely on > xinitrc. OOps it was there... I used the wrong syntax to up2date by including the version number. Once I fiddled around with the install sequence of XFree86 and xinitrc I was able to get everthing installed and X running. Thank you. From jansen at strw.leidenuniv.nl Wed Oct 29 13:10:36 2003 From: jansen at strw.leidenuniv.nl (David Jansen) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 14:10:36 +0100 Subject: rhgb Message-ID: <20031029131036.GA18578@strw.leidenuniv.nl> On Mon, Oct 27, 2003 at 05:23:52PM -0500, Bill Nottingham wrote: > Erik Englund (erik.orebro at telia.com) said: > > hmm i searched the archive, didn't find anything... > > > > and this is really disturbing! rhgb should print out all failures as > > default, and guess that wouldn't be to hard to fix either. > > Edit /etc/init.d/functions, at the end of failure(), before > the return, add: > > [ -x /usr/bin/rhgb-client ] && /usr/bin/rhgb-client --details=yes > > Work ok for you? > > Bill This works almost ok, except it also runs rhgb-client when no graphical boot is in progress. Might I suggest this modification: if [ "$GRAPHICAL" = "yes" -a -x /usr/bin/rhgb-client ]; then /usr/bin/rhgb-client --details=yes fi Is an addition along this line being considered for an update to the initscripts package or should I enter it as a RFE ? David Jansen From davej at redhat.com Wed Oct 29 13:26:24 2003 From: davej at redhat.com (Dave Jones) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 13:26:24 +0000 Subject: kernel-2.6 test8 In-Reply-To: <3F9F4BAE.3040401@togami.com> References: <20031029015652.GA1827@orient.maison> <20031029032039.GB6859@redhat.com> <3F9F4BAE.3040401@togami.com> Message-ID: <20031029132624.GC7011@redhat.com> On Tue, Oct 28, 2003 at 07:10:06PM -1000, Warren Togami wrote: > Dave Jones wrote: > >Laptop-mode > > Laptop mode is back? Woo!! Yeah. > BTW, what happened with those possible corruption issues? Were they > isolated to that one brand of hard drive? The AAM (Accoustic management) patch. For some reason Quantum Fireballs really weren't happy with it, so it got dropped. Dave From hoyt at cavtel.net Thu Oct 30 13:27:04 2003 From: hoyt at cavtel.net (HoytDuff) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 13:27:04 +0000 Subject: failed to compile kernel In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200310301327.04721.hoyt@cavtel.net> On Wednesday 29 October 2003 11:42 am, jakob pietzka wrote: > Make modules always ends with failure because it can't find some modules. > Neither with kernel 2088.nptl or kernel.2100 - any suggestions? > I only need the kernel source for compiling a new kernel - right? > > Greetings First, # export CC=gcc32 to use the same compiler that the kernel was compiled with. -- Hoyt From davej at redhat.com Wed Oct 29 13:28:50 2003 From: davej at redhat.com (Dave Jones) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 13:28:50 +0000 Subject: ATI driver with arjan's 2.6 kernels In-Reply-To: <3F9F7C70.5070102@spiritone.com> References: <3F9F7C70.5070102@spiritone.com> Message-ID: <20031029132850.GD7011@redhat.com> On Wed, Oct 29, 2003 at 12:38:08AM -0800, Steve Ward wrote: > Is anyone else trying to use the proprietary ATI fglrx drivers with > arjan's 2.6.0-test rpms? > > Having trouble with oopses when loading the module. Runs ok on stock > Linus kernel. Probably due to the fact we now compile the AGP driver into the kernel for various reasons. Dave From hoyt at cavtel.net Thu Oct 30 13:34:30 2003 From: hoyt at cavtel.net (HoytDuff) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 13:34:30 +0000 Subject: lacking initrd-2.4.22-1.2110.nptl.img In-Reply-To: <1067399164.1823.10.camel@chastain> References: <1067399164.1823.10.camel@chastain> Message-ID: <200310301334.30694.hoyt@cavtel.net> On Wednesday 29 October 2003 03:46 am, Terry R Linhardt wrote: > However, I downloaded updates, including kernel 2.4.22-1.2110.nptl. I > see the kernel in my /boot directory. However, I cannot find > initrd-2.4.22-1.2110.nptl.img. And, the system certainly complains if > it is not present. > > Advice? Hints? Make one yourself: # mkinitrd /boot/ initrd-2.4.22-1.2110.nptl.img 2.4.22-1.2110.nptl will create the inird file. -- Hoyt From bill at pecknet.com Wed Oct 29 14:00:03 2003 From: bill at pecknet.com (Bill Peck) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 09:00:03 -0500 Subject: usb camera question In-Reply-To: <1067378095.6941.6.camel@ceebee.enganeer.com> References: <1067378095.6941.6.camel@ceebee.enganeer.com> Message-ID: <1067436003.17269.1.camel@bilbo.home.pecknet.com> When you use insmod it doesn't load modules that may be needed as a dependancy. You probably need video.o loaded. If you were to install the quickcam.o module, run depmod -a and then use modprobe quickcam it should load the correct modules. On Tue, 2003-10-28 at 16:54, ryan wrote: > hi > > i have a question that i've been unable to find an answer to. using FD > RC3 trying to install USB quickcam. i've grabbed the latest drivers in > the CVS for qce-ga, and i'm also running the latest kernel for RC3. > > it appears to compile properly, but insmod is not happy. i'm not overly > sure where to begin... > > any ideas/help is appreciated (info below). i'm new to this list so if > i'm off-topic please clue-bat me. > > cheers > > -ryan > > syslog: > Oct 28 13:58:08 ceebee kernel: hub.c: new USB device 00:02.0-2, assigned > address 2 > Oct 28 13:58:08 ceebee kernel: usb.c: USB device 2 (vend/prod > 0x46d/0x840) is not claimed by any active driver. > > [root at ceebee qc-usb]# make > -=- Logitech QuickCam USB camera driver -=- > > Makefile target examples: > make all - Compile driver and utilities against current running kernel > USER_OPT=-DNDEBUG make all - Compile without debugging code and messages > LINUX_DIR=/usr/src/linux make all - Compile against specified kernel > source > make install - Copy driver and utilities into standard locations (needs > root) > PREFIX=/usr make install - Copy utilities to /usr/bin instead of > /usr/local/bin > MODULE_DIR=/lib/modules/2.4.0 make install - Copy module to > /lib/modules/2.4.0/misc > make clean - Remove object files from the source directory > > Current configuration: > Driver source directory (PWD): /home/ryan/qc-usb > Kernel source directory (LINUX_DIR): > /lib/modules/2.4.22-1.2110.nptl/build > Module install directory (MODULE_DIR): /lib/modules/2.4.22-1.2110.nptl > Utility install directory (PREFIX): /usr/local > User options (USER_OPT): > Driver file name (use with insmod): quickcam.o > Kernel version code: 132118 > > [root at ceebee qc-usb]# insmod ./quickcam.o > ./quickcam.o: unresolved symbol video_proc_entry_R4cab4439 > ./quickcam.o: unresolved symbol video_unregister_device_Rbd07ff0b > ./quickcam.o: unresolved symbol video_register_device_R42eac5db > > > > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list -- Bill Peck From jakob.pietzka at frantic-risk.de Wed Oct 29 14:07:46 2003 From: jakob.pietzka at frantic-risk.de (jakob pietzka) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 15:07:46 +0100 Subject: AW: failed to compile kernel In-Reply-To: <200310301327.04721.hoyt@cavtel.net> Message-ID: Well, export CC=gcc32 doesn't change anything. Make dep and make bzImage run without problems but make modules always ends with errors in module.o modsubdir . . . . jakob On Wednesday 29 October 2003 11:42 am, jakob pietzka wrote: > Make modules always ends with failure because it can't find some modules. > Neither with kernel 2088.nptl or kernel.2100 - any suggestions? > I only need the kernel source for compiling a new kernel - right? > > Greetings First, # export CC=gcc32 to use the same compiler that the kernel was compiled with. -- Hoyt -- fedora-test-list mailing list fedora-test-list at redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From elwoo at videotron.ca Wed Oct 29 14:07:42 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 09:07:42 -0500 Subject: GPG question:where on the system are my key-pairs? In-Reply-To: <1067382388.7229.95.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <200310281514.15192.elwoo@videotron.ca> <200310281728.44903.elwoo@videotron.ca> <1067382388.7229.95.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <200310290907.42533.elwoo@videotron.ca> On October 28, 2003 06:06 pm, Marc Schwartz , > wrote: > There is a pretty good tutorial and FAQ at: > > http://www.gnupg.org/(en)/documentation/index.html > > and a good privacy guide, which reviews many of the basic concepts, at: > > http://www.gnupg.org/gph/en/manual.html Thank you. For the moment, I just need guidance in configuring it and creating my keys. I did create my public key, but I hadn't completed the tutorial (*here*:http://home.earthlink.net/~cortana/gpghowto.html), so I couldn't determine whether I had created my private key. I'll read the tutorial link that you provided. Elton ;-) -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From christoph.wickert at web.de Wed Oct 29 14:21:38 2003 From: christoph.wickert at web.de (Christoph Wickert) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 15:21:38 +0100 Subject: shutting down mouse services fails on test 1-3; not on rh9 In-Reply-To: <1067410858.4331.107.camel@home-04019.b.astral.ro> References: <1067391694.1838.2.camel@bart.netlyncs.com> <1067392084.15177.2148.camel@gruyere> <3F9F1DE1.6070608@tuins.ac.jp> <1067410858.4331.107.camel@home-04019.b.astral.ro> Message-ID: <1067437298.6072.4.camel@hal9000.lokales.netz> Am Mi, den 29.10.2003 schrieb Razvan Corneliu C.R. "d3vi1" VILT um 08:00: > Yeah... gpm always crashes... Same here, test1-3. Not really always, but often. If I change the runlevel, it always fails shutting down. Christoph -- Christoph Wickert From elwoo at videotron.ca Wed Oct 29 14:23:44 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 09:23:44 -0500 Subject: no X after full upgrade from test3 to upgraded pkgs for test3 In-Reply-To: <3F9F1C32.8000108@insight.rr.com> References: <3F9F1C32.8000108@insight.rr.com> Message-ID: <200310290923.44831.elwoo@videotron.ca> On October 28, 2003 08:47 pm, Jim Cornette , > wrote: > Harry Putnam wrote: > > After a full upgrade this morning from older test3 to the newest > > stuff, I'm unable to startx or to boot to runlevel 5. > > XFREE pkgs were some of those updated and now consist of: What *video card* are you using? If by any chance it's an nVidia card, and you have installed their drivers, you might not be aware that each time you update from rawhide (i.e. install a newer kernel) you have to re-run the nVidia installer... ... just guessing this might be the case, since you didn't indicate what card is on your machine ... Elton ;-) -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From MSchwartz at MedAnalytics.com Wed Oct 29 14:34:04 2003 From: MSchwartz at MedAnalytics.com (Marc Schwartz) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 08:34:04 -0600 Subject: GPG question:where on the system are my key-pairs? In-Reply-To: <200310290907.42533.elwoo@videotron.ca> References: <200310281514.15192.elwoo@videotron.ca> <200310281728.44903.elwoo@videotron.ca> <1067382388.7229.95.camel@localhost.localdomain> <200310290907.42533.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <1067438044.4538.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2003-10-29 at 08:07, Elton Woo wrote: > On October 28, 2003 06:06 pm, Marc Schwartz , > wrote: > > There is a pretty good tutorial and FAQ at: > > > > http://www.gnupg.org/(en)/documentation/index.html > > > > and a good privacy guide, which reviews many of the basic concepts, at: > > > > http://www.gnupg.org/gph/en/manual.html > > Thank you. For the moment, I just need guidance in configuring it and > creating my keys. I did create my public key, but I hadn't completed > the tutorial (*here*:http://home.earthlink.net/~cortana/gpghowto.html), > so I couldn't determine whether I had created my private key. > > I'll read the tutorial link that you provided. > > > Elton ;-) Elton, As I believe someone else had raised, if you generated the public key, you also generated the private key. The tutorial you link has the following as the first step: "Once you have GnuPG installed, the first thing to do is generate a keypair." The 'keypairs' must be generated at the same time, since the whole basis for the system is the mathematical and computational complexity of deriving one key from the other. With the possible exception of our friends at Ft. Meade, the ability to do this with a sufficient key size is beyond the capabilities of any known entity (though if you have reason to worry about them.... ;-). To understand the concepts behind public key (PK) crypto is critical, which is why I referenced the other sources. Reviewing the link that you provided, it is largely a pure HOWTO. It unfortunately does not explain well enough, the conceptual basis for PK crypto. With that understanding in place, your ability to effectively use GnuPG will be greatly enhanced. HTH, Marc From nbecker at hns.com Wed Oct 29 14:38:25 2003 From: nbecker at hns.com (Neal D. Becker) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 09:38:25 -0500 Subject: Install to resier, xfs, etc? Message-ID: <200310290938.25622.nbecker@hns.com> Sorry if this has been answered before, but I can't find anything in the archive. Does 0.95 support installation to alternative file systems, such as reiser or xfs? If so, how? From czar at czarc.net Wed Oct 29 14:39:35 2003 From: czar at czarc.net (Gene C.) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 09:39:35 -0500 Subject: up2date hang Message-ID: <200310290939.35127.czar@czarc.net> I have noticed that up2date seems to "hang" if I select a log (eg, all) updates to be downloaded/installed. The download is fine but when it gets to the install there is some cpu usage but then everything drops to zero and nothing happens. If I kill up2date and then select only a few packages, everything seems to work fine. Anyone else notice this? -- Gene From dstewart at atl.lmco.com Wed Oct 29 14:40:30 2003 From: dstewart at atl.lmco.com (Doug Stewart) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 09:40:30 -0500 Subject: New fedora-release in rawhide Message-ID: <3F9FD15E.3070902@atl.lmco.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I noticed that, upon running up2date this morning, it was prompting me to upgrade fedora-relase to 1-1 (over 0.95). I skipped that package, so as to avoid any potential nastiness. Does this mean that next week's FC1 release has been bumped up? Will there be any complications if I upgrade to the newer fedora-release? - -- - ---------- Doug Stewart Systems Administrator/Web Applications Developer Lockheed Martin Advanced Technology Labs dstewart at atl.lmco.com Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/n9FeN50Q8DVvcvkRAuw6AJ9i5xzfeSKSar21v16GwRTe/apOoACfcm7i sGKl8ZqSJQLikf58fkQSzLM= =/kR3 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From elwoo at videotron.ca Wed Oct 29 14:42:01 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 09:42:01 -0500 Subject: Help me to configure XF86Config for TV-out In-Reply-To: <200310281227.14706.alex@taipang.com> References: <200310281227.14706.alex@taipang.com> Message-ID: <200310290942.01298.elwoo@videotron.ca> On October 28, 2003 02:27 am, Alor , > wrote: > Help me to configure XF86Config for display video on TV using tv-out of my > card. > First of all you didn't mention what brand and model of TV card you are using. This list is mainly for reporting bugs with Fedora Core. It's not really for general help on linux. That said, I suggest you search on Google (http://www.google.com/) using a string such as: linux TV. Here's one link, for starters: http://www.tv-cards.com/linux.php HTH & cheers, Elton ;-) -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From leonardjo at hetnet.nl Wed Oct 29 14:45:05 2003 From: leonardjo at hetnet.nl (Leonard den Ottolander) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 15:45:05 +0100 Subject: Bugzilla not sending mail Message-ID: <3F9FE081.10739.1679A2@localhost> Hi, When I reported a bug to Bugzilla last night I noticed no emails were sent: Bug 108395 has been added to the database Email sent to: no one Excluding: hp at redhat.com, leonardjo at hetnet.nl Now why is no mail being sent? Because I filed it as a low priority bug? Bye, Leonard. -- How clean is a war when you shoot around nukelar waste? Stop the use of depleted uranium ammo! End all weapons of mass destruction. From elwoo at videotron.ca Wed Oct 29 14:46:00 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 09:46:00 -0500 Subject: GPG question:where on the system are my key-pairs? In-Reply-To: <1067438044.4538.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <200310281514.15192.elwoo@videotron.ca> <200310290907.42533.elwoo@videotron.ca> <1067438044.4538.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <200310290946.00728.elwoo@videotron.ca> On October 29, 2003 09:34 am, Marc Schwartz , > wrote: > To understand the concepts behind public key (PK) crypto is critical, Understood. ... and once again, thanks! Elton ;-) -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From sopwith at redhat.com Wed Oct 29 14:50:01 2003 From: sopwith at redhat.com (Elliot Lee) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 09:50:01 -0500 (EST) Subject: New fedora-release in rawhide In-Reply-To: <3F9FD15E.3070902@atl.lmco.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 29 Oct 2003, Doug Stewart wrote: > I noticed that, upon running up2date this morning, it was prompting me > to upgrade fedora-relase to 1-1 (over 0.95). I skipped that package, so > as to avoid any potential nastiness. Does this mean that next week's > FC1 release has been bumped up? Will there be any complications if I > upgrade to the newer fedora-release? It's part of the preparation for the release, which is not yet fully baked. YMMV. -- Elliot Millions long for immortality who do not know what to do with themselves on a rainy Sunday afternoon. From dstewart at atl.lmco.com Wed Oct 29 15:04:41 2003 From: dstewart at atl.lmco.com (Doug Stewart) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 10:04:41 -0500 Subject: up2date Error [Was: Re: New fedora-release in rawhide] In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3F9FD709.2050104@atl.lmco.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Elliot Lee wrote: | It's part of the preparation for the release, which is not yet fully | baked. YMMV. | | -- Elliot | Millions long for immortality who do not know what to do with themselves | on a rainy Sunday afternoon. Uh oh. Upon trying to upgrade to the packages released this morning, I came across the following error: "[SNIP Python traceback] rpm.error: public key not trusted" Is there another set of keys that I need to import? I have the "Use GPG.." option de-selected in up2date-config, so it shouldn't be worrying about public keys, right? - -- - ---------- Doug Stewart Systems Administrator/Web Applications Developer Lockheed Martin Advanced Technology Labs dstewart at atl.lmco.com Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/n9cJN50Q8DVvcvkRAvZbAJ4nKTT8FaCFYc0fkLj649OFtuTrPwCeMs4T BhjH1rzYb0aKx+tX46PK4bA= =YaGo -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From whb at ceimaine.org Wed Oct 29 15:08:07 2003 From: whb at ceimaine.org (Will Backman) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 10:08:07 -0500 Subject: up2date Error [Was: Re: New fedora-release in rawhide] In-Reply-To: <3F9FD709.2050104@atl.lmco.com> References: <3F9FD709.2050104@atl.lmco.com> Message-ID: <1067440086.2177.3.camel@dbxwsd21> Common error that a lot of people have been getting. Seems to come and go. Fixes itself. Check bugzilla. On Wed, 2003-10-29 at 10:04, Doug Stewart wrote: > "[SNIP Python traceback] > rpm.error: public key not trusted" > From whb at ceimaine.org Wed Oct 29 15:11:08 2003 From: whb at ceimaine.org (Will Backman) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 10:11:08 -0500 Subject: will there be a tui user config Message-ID: <1067440268.2177.6.camel@dbxwsd21> Some of the redhat-config-* tools have a tui version. Any rumors of a tui version of the user manager? -- Will From notting at redhat.com Wed Oct 29 15:12:16 2003 From: notting at redhat.com (Bill Nottingham) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 10:12:16 -0500 Subject: rhgb In-Reply-To: <20031029131036.GA18578@strw.leidenuniv.nl>; from jansen@strw.leidenuniv.nl on Wed, Oct 29, 2003 at 02:10:36PM +0100 References: <20031029131036.GA18578@strw.leidenuniv.nl> Message-ID: <20031029101216.D3611@devserv.devel.redhat.com> David Jansen (jansen at strw.leidenuniv.nl) said: > This works almost ok, except it also runs rhgb-client when no graphical > boot is in progress. Might I suggest this modification: > > if [ "$GRAPHICAL" = "yes" -a -x /usr/bin/rhgb-client ]; then > /usr/bin/rhgb-client --details=yes > fi Hm, maybe. rhgb-client really doesn't do much of anything if rhgb isn't running. > Is an addition along this line being considered for an update to the > initscripts package or should I enter it as a RFE ? Already in. Bill From nphilipp at redhat.com Wed Oct 29 15:15:55 2003 From: nphilipp at redhat.com (Nils Philippsen) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 16:15:55 +0100 Subject: contrib galeon 1.3.10 In-Reply-To: <1067352327.3659.14.camel@wintermute.sr.unh.edu> References: <1067262007.1296.2.camel@nyarlathotep.fedora> <1067263766.15177.65.camel@gruyere> <1067271071.4808.39.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> <1067284122.18948.4.camel@LORDLINUX.global.shsystem.org> <1067285013.5963.1.camel@wombat.tiptoe.de> <1067352327.3659.14.camel@wintermute.sr.unh.edu> Message-ID: <1067440553.18229.58.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> On Tue, 2003-10-28 at 15:45, Thomas J. Baker wrote: > On Mon, 2003-10-27 at 15:03, Nils Philippsen wrote: > > On Mon, 2003-10-27 at 20:48, Mark Guzzo wrote: > > > > > > > > For the sake of completeness, I also packages it and put it up at the > > > > usual location/yum repo (signed with my GPG key). > > > > > > Which is where? :-( > > > > http://lisas.de/~nils/yum/fedora/0.95/i386/extras/ > > > > I thought I already had gone on everybody's nerves with plugging this, > > but alas I was wrong ;-). > > > > Nils > > I have trouble with this feed all the time. Right now I can't contact it > at all. I can ping it but the webserver seems either overloaded or > crashed. the problem (as Matt Thompson told me) is most likely one (several?) broken router(s?) in between that has a problem with packets being routed one way in the one direction and another way in the other direction. It's not just this machine having problems, but rather whole of the BelWue (Baden-W?rttemberg Extended LAN), the joint networks of the colleges and universities of Baden-W?rttemberg (a province of Germany). There's not much I can do to alleviate this -- if someone else (in another network, perhaps on another continent ;-)) would mirror the stuff, people who have problems with the main site could get them from there. Everyone: if you have problems reaching lisas.de or ftp-stud.fht-esslingen.de (both names are the same machine), please mail me a traceroute -- perhaps we can track down the offender. Nils -- Nils Philippsen / Red Hat / nphilipp at redhat.com "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- B. Franklin, 1759 PGP fingerprint: C4A8 9474 5C4C ADE3 2B8F 656D 47D8 9B65 6951 3011 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From andreas.sartori at fh-sbg.ac.at Wed Oct 29 15:16:33 2003 From: andreas.sartori at fh-sbg.ac.at (Andreas Sartori) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 16:16:33 +0100 Subject: up2date Error [Was: Re: New fedora-release in rawhide] In-Reply-To: <3F9FD709.2050104@atl.lmco.com> References: <3F9FD709.2050104@atl.lmco.com> Message-ID: <3F9FD9D1.8070904@fh-sbg.ac.at> another failure with up2date. i dont know if it has already been writte here but, when i update packages and there are dependencies, the up2date process just hangs. in the logfile i just get: [Wed Oct 29 08:58:54 2003] up2date solving dep for: ['mozilla', 'libcrlayeng.so.1', 'libcroco', 'libcroco.so.1', 'libcrseleng.so.1', 'xmms'] then nothing happens anymore. -andy -------------------------------------------------------- andreas sartori system management information & network technologies redhat certified engineer fh salzburg fachhochschulgesellschaft mbh schillerstra?e 30 5020 salzburg austria tel. +43 662 4665 652 / fax 659 http://www.fh-sbg.ac.at/int/ Doug Stewart wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Elliot Lee wrote: > > | It's part of the preparation for the release, which is not yet fully > | baked. YMMV. > | > | -- Elliot > | Millions long for immortality who do not know what to do with > themselves > | on a rainy Sunday afternoon. > > Uh oh. Upon trying to upgrade to the packages released this morning, I > came across the following error: > "[SNIP Python traceback] > rpm.error: public key not trusted" > > Is there another set of keys that I need to import? I have the "Use > GPG.." option de-selected in up2date-config, so it shouldn't be worrying > about public keys, right? > - -- > - ---------- > Doug Stewart > Systems Administrator/Web Applications Developer > Lockheed Martin Advanced Technology Labs > dstewart at atl.lmco.com > > Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (MingW32) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iD8DBQE/n9cJN50Q8DVvcvkRAvZbAJ4nKTT8FaCFYc0fkLj649OFtuTrPwCeMs4T > BhjH1rzYb0aKx+tX46PK4bA= > =YaGo > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From tjb at unh.edu Wed Oct 29 15:25:24 2003 From: tjb at unh.edu (Thomas J. Baker) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 10:25:24 -0500 Subject: Yum Config Question In-Reply-To: <1067370688.24429.40.camel@opus> References: <1067369020.3659.85.camel@wintermute.sr.unh.edu> <1067370688.24429.40.camel@opus> Message-ID: <1067441124.10275.6.camel@wintermute.sr.unh.edu> On Tue, 2003-10-28 at 14:51, seth vidal wrote: > On Tue, 2003-10-28 at 14:23, Thomas J. Baker wrote: > > I want to keep multiple kernel-smp and kernel-source packages around so > > I added > > > > installonlypkgs=kernel, kernel-smp, kernel-bigmem, kernel-enterprise, > > kernel-debug, kernel-unsupported, kernel-source > > > > to my yum.conf. I then did a yum update and it installed the new > > kernel-smp and source but deleted every other kernel-smp that was > > installed. It kept the kernel-source packages though. > > > > Any ideas why this happened? > > > > 1. the above list is the default > 2. they're not comma-separated, just spaces. > > -sv > > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list It doesn't seem like kernel-source is there by default. I will verify this in a moment. Also, the documentation is somewhat misleading in that is says installonlypkgs list of packages that should only ever be installed, never updated - kernels in particular fall into this category. Defaults to kernel, kernel-smp, kernel-bigmem, kernel-enter- prise, kernel-debug, kernel-unsupported. which is a comma separated list. I couldn't find anything in the man page about the default format of multi-value directives. tjb -- ======================================================================= | Thomas Baker email: tjb at unh.edu | | Systems Programmer | | Research Computing Center voice: (603) 862-4490 | | University of New Hampshire fax: (603) 862-1761 | | 332 Morse Hall | | Durham, NH 03824 USA http://wintermute.sr.unh.edu/~tjb | ======================================================================= -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From jkeating at j2solutions.net Wed Oct 29 16:40:38 2003 From: jkeating at j2solutions.net (Jesse Keating) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 08:40:38 -0800 Subject: Install to resier, xfs, etc? In-Reply-To: <200310290938.25622.nbecker@hns.com> References: <200310290938.25622.nbecker@hns.com> Message-ID: <200310290840.39038.jkeating@j2solutions.net> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday 29 October 2003 06:38, Neal D. Becker wrote: > Sorry if this has been answered before, but I can't find anything in the > archive. Does 0.95 support installation to alternative file systems, > such as reiser or xfs? If so, how? So far I've seen support for jfs and reiserfs. You have to type those out at the boot cd prompt. YMMV. jfs installation crashed 3 times on me, while the ReiserFS based install didn't. - -- Jesse Keating RHCE MCSE (http://geek.j2solutions.net) Fedora Legacy Team (http://www.fedora.us/wiki/FedoraLegacy) Mondo DevTeam (www.mondorescue.org) GPG Public Key (http://geek.j2solutions.net/jkeating.j2solutions.pub) Was I helpful? Let others know: http://svcs.affero.net/rm.php?r=jkeating -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/n+2G4v2HLvE71NURAqBtAJ44Z3YTVPJeAyIz3RiZ7M51OAc0MQCgigSv yb5HA4TDQhU75+Alusq5o1c= =DpB5 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From alex at taipang.com Wed Oct 29 08:51:03 2003 From: alex at taipang.com (Alor) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 13:51:03 +0500 Subject: Help me to configure XF86Config for TV-out Message-ID: <200310281227.14706.alex@taipang.com> Help me to configure XF86Config for display video on TV using tv-out of my Chaintech G-482 GEFORCE 4 MX440 AGP8x card in Fedora test 3. Best regards, Alor. From paul at frields.com Wed Oct 29 15:45:04 2003 From: paul at frields.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: 29 Oct 2003 10:45:04 -0500 Subject: up2date Error [Was: Re: New fedora-release in rawhide] In-Reply-To: <3F9FD9D1.8070904@fh-sbg.ac.at> References: <3F9FD709.2050104@atl.lmco.com> <3F9FD9D1.8070904@fh-sbg.ac.at> Message-ID: <1067442304.7281.10.camel@london.east.gov> On Wed, 2003-10-29 at 10:16, Andreas Sartori wrote: > another failure with up2date. > i dont know if it has already been writte here but, > when i update packages and there are dependencies, the up2date > process just hangs. in the logfile i just get: > [Wed Oct 29 08:58:54 2003] up2date solving dep for: ['mozilla', > 'libcrlayeng.so.1', 'libcroco', 'libcroco.so.1', 'libcrseleng.so.1', 'xmms'] > > then nothing happens anymore. The libcroco issue, I believe, came up as folks updated librsvg2. Try updating up2date first to see if that solves the issue. If not, what I've done locally is to have a yum repo for a mirror of rawhide, and one for the base (e.g. fedora-0.95) install. If I point /etc/sysconfig/rhn/sources at both yum repos, that seems to handle everything quite nicely. -- Paul W. Frields From p00mda at du.se Wed Oct 29 15:54:53 2003 From: p00mda at du.se (Mattias Dahlberg) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 16:54:53 +0100 (CET) Subject: Bugzilla not sending mail In-Reply-To: <3F9FE081.10739.1679A2@localhost> Message-ID: On Wed, 29 Oct 2003, Leonard den Ottolander wrote: > When I reported a bug to Bugzilla last night I noticed no emails were > sent: > > Bug 108395 has been added to the database > Email sent to: no one > Excluding: hp at redhat.com, leonardjo at hetnet.nl > > Now why is no mail being sent? Because I filed it as a low priority bug? No, the same thing has happened to me, with the priority set to normal. See http://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=107896 Regards, Mattias From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Wed Oct 29 15:56:11 2003 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: 29 Oct 2003 10:56:11 -0500 Subject: Yum Config Question In-Reply-To: <1067441124.10275.6.camel@wintermute.sr.unh.edu> References: <1067369020.3659.85.camel@wintermute.sr.unh.edu> <1067370688.24429.40.camel@opus> <1067441124.10275.6.camel@wintermute.sr.unh.edu> Message-ID: <1067442970.1361.1.camel@opus> > It doesn't seem like kernel-source is there by default. I will verify > this in a moment. > > Also, the documentation is somewhat misleading in that is says > > installonlypkgs > list of packages that should only ever be installed, never > updated - kernels in particular fall into this category. > Defaults to kernel, kernel-smp, kernel-bigmem, kernel-enter- > prise, kernel-debug, kernel-unsupported. > > which is a comma separated list. I couldn't find anything in the man > page about the default format of multi-value directives. > yep, that's a bug, though in honesty I should just let them be space or comma separated. Could you file that at: https://devel.linux.duke.edu/bugzilla/enter_bug.cgi?product=yum -sv From andreas.sartori at fh-sbg.ac.at Wed Oct 29 15:54:54 2003 From: andreas.sartori at fh-sbg.ac.at (Andreas Sartori) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 16:54:54 +0100 Subject: up2date Error [Was: Re: New fedora-release in rawhide] In-Reply-To: <1067442304.7281.10.camel@london.east.gov> References: <3F9FD709.2050104@atl.lmco.com> <3F9FD9D1.8070904@fh-sbg.ac.at> <1067442304.7281.10.camel@london.east.gov> Message-ID: <3F9FE2CE.1070008@fh-sbg.ac.at> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shrek-m at gmx.de Wed Oct 29 15:59:00 2003 From: shrek-m at gmx.de (shrek-m at gmx.de) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 16:59:00 +0100 Subject: Urgent testing request for openoffice.org-1.1.0-4.4 In-Reply-To: <20031029062535.A2097@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <20031029062535.A2097@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <3F9FE3C4.5020505@gmx.de> Jakub Jelinek wrote: >Hi! > >ftp://people.redhat.com/jakub/openoffice.org/ >is another release of OO.o rpms with improved startup speed. >Please test as much as possible (if there are enough success reports >and no problem reports, there is (IMHO) still a small chance >to make it the default; otherwise it will be in the FC1 rpms, >but not as default, ie. require root to >ln -sf soffice2.bin /usr/lib/openoffice/program >to run the startup speed optimized version). >Thanks. > hi, p2 400 mhz/ 256 mb ram / 6 gb hdd subjective feeling - it is now faster -------- clean install fct3 exit with [alt][f][x] $ time oowriter sed: kann /home/admin/.openoffice/user/config/registry/instance/org/openoffice/Setup.xml nicht lesen: Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht gefunden Starting OpenOffice.org ... real 0m38.790s user 0m8.110s sys 0m0.920s $ time oowriter sed: kann /home/admin/.openoffice/user/config/registry/instance/org/openoffice/Setup.xml nicht lesen: Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht gefunden Starting OpenOffice.org ... real 0m26.461s user 0m8.250s sys 0m0.870s -------- -------- i had removed all OOo-pakets # rpm -U /mnt/nfs/people.redhat.com/jakub/openoffice.org/openoffice.org-1.1.0-4.4.i386.rpm Fehler: Failed dependencies: db4 >= 4.1.25-11 is needed by openoffice.org-1.1.0-4.4 (later) $ rpm -qa openoffice* db4* openoffice.org-libs-1.1.0-4.4 openoffice.org-i18n-1.1.0-4.4 openoffice.org-1.1.0-4.4 db4-4.1.25-14 wow, in german :-) exit with [alt][d][b] $ time oowriter; time oowriter Starting OpenOffice.org ... real 0m28.353s user 0m8.550s sys 0m0.790s Starting OpenOffice.org ... real 0m16.330s user 0m8.570s sys 0m0.680s # ln -sf soffice2.bin /usr/lib/openoffice/program #/etc/cron.daily/prelink # init 6 $ time oowriter; time oowriter Starting OpenOffice.org ... real 0m25.914s user 0m5.780s sys 0m0.730s Starting OpenOffice.org ... real 0m15.629s user 0m5.730s sys 0m0.590s (later, after some work) $ time oowriter; time oowriter Starting OpenOffice.org ... real 0m9.436s user 0m5.610s sys 0m0.730s Starting OpenOffice.org ... real 0m9.685s user 0m5.510s sys 0m0.730s -------- no *new* problems here. surely the wrong place, but with the mysql-datasources exist different problems. eg. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=84872 could you provide a default /etc/odbc.ini /etc/odbcinst.ini with mysql-support enabled ? $ cat /etc/odbc.ini # was empty after installation [MySQL-test] Description = MySQL Server = localhost Driver = MySQL Database = test Port = 3306 $ cat /etc/odbcinst.ini # Example driver definitinions # # # Included in the unixODBC package [PostgreSQL] Description = ODBC for PostgreSQL Driver = /usr/lib/libodbcpsql.so Setup = /usr/lib/libodbcpsqlS.so FileUsage = 1 # From the MyODBC package #[MySQL] #Description = ODBC for MySQL #Driver = /usr/lib/libmyodbc.so #own#Setup = /usr/lib/libodbcmyS.so #own# #FileUsage = 1 -- shrek-m From don.vanco at agilysys.com Wed Oct 29 16:01:30 2003 From: don.vanco at agilysys.com (Vanco, Don) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 11:01:30 -0500 Subject: Help me to configure XF86Config for TV-out Message-ID: Alor wrote: > Help me to configure XF86Config for display video on TV using tv-out > of my Chaintech G-482 GEFORCE 4 MX440 AGP8x card in Fedora test 3. > > Best regards, > Alor. fedora-test-list mailing list fedora-test-list at redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list Note that nothing above has the word "support" in it.... This list getting WAY too many support and OT threads going to keep up with it... I can appreciate the desire to get TV out working - but this list should not be the first place you stop to learn how to do so... there's plenty of places on the web that will get you off to a good start.... Have you even _read_ the previous posts to this topic? I really wanna help with the Fedora stuff - but damn, 200 emails a day is really excessive when the signal-to-noise ratio starts to drop like this.... Join a LUG and learn to use friggin' "Google" people! From tjb at unh.edu Wed Oct 29 16:08:16 2003 From: tjb at unh.edu (Thomas J. Baker) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 11:08:16 -0500 Subject: Yum Config Question In-Reply-To: <1067442970.1361.1.camel@opus> References: <1067369020.3659.85.camel@wintermute.sr.unh.edu> <1067370688.24429.40.camel@opus> <1067441124.10275.6.camel@wintermute.sr.unh.edu> <1067442970.1361.1.camel@opus> Message-ID: <1067443696.11720.10.camel@wintermute.sr.unh.edu> On Wed, 2003-10-29 at 10:56, seth vidal wrote: > > It doesn't seem like kernel-source is there by default. I will verify > > this in a moment. > > > > Also, the documentation is somewhat misleading in that is says > > > > installonlypkgs > > list of packages that should only ever be installed, never > > updated - kernels in particular fall into this category. > > Defaults to kernel, kernel-smp, kernel-bigmem, kernel-enter- > > prise, kernel-debug, kernel-unsupported. > > > > which is a comma separated list. I couldn't find anything in the man > > page about the default format of multi-value directives. > > > > yep, that's a bug, though in honesty I should just let them be space or > comma separated. > > Could you file that at: > https://devel.linux.duke.edu/bugzilla/enter_bug.cgi?product=yum > -sv > Bug #150 is the documentation bug and bug#149 is the missing kernel-source bug. I just verified that kernel-source is not in the default installonlypkgs: before yum upgrade: [tjb at wintermute tjb]# rpm -qa | grep kernel | sort kernel-smp-2.4.22-1.2108.nptl kernel-smp-2.4.22-1.2110.nptl kernel-source-2.4.22-1.2108.nptl kernel-source-2.4.22-1.2110.nptl kernel-utils-2.4-9.1.101.fedora [tjb at wintermute tjb]# after yum upgrade: [tjb at wintermute tjb]# rpm -qa | grep kernel | sort kernel-smp-2.4.22-1.2108.nptl kernel-smp-2.4.22-1.2110.nptl kernel-smp-2.4.22-1.2111.nptl kernel-source-2.4.22-1.2111.nptl kernel-utils-2.4-9.1.101.fedora [tjb at wintermute tjb]# Thanks, tjb -- ======================================================================= | Thomas Baker email: tjb at unh.edu | | Systems Programmer | | Research Computing Center voice: (603) 862-4490 | | University of New Hampshire fax: (603) 862-1761 | | 332 Morse Hall | | Durham, NH 03824 USA http://wintermute.sr.unh.edu/~tjb | ======================================================================= -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Frields wrote: | |>On Wed, 2003-10-29 at 10:16, Andreas Sartori wrote: |> |> |>>another failure with up2date. |>>i dont know if it has already been writte here but, |>>when i update packages and there are dependencies, the up2date |>>process just hangs. in the logfile i just get: |>>[Wed Oct 29 08:58:54 2003] up2date solving dep for: ['mozilla', |>>'libcrlayeng.so.1', 'libcroco', 'libcroco.so.1', 'libcrseleng.so.1', 'xmms'] |>> |>>then nothing happens anymore. |>> |>> |> |>The libcroco issue, I believe, came up as folks updated librsvg2. Try |>updating up2date first to see if that solves the issue. If not, what |>I've done locally is to have a yum repo for a mirror of rawhide, and one |>for the base (e.g. fedora-0.95) install. If I point |>/etc/sysconfig/rhn/sources at both yum repos, that seems to handle |>everything quite nicely. |> |> |> | -- fedora-test-list mailing list fedora-test-list at redhat.com | http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list Arrrgh. New error. When I try to install multiple RPMs from /var/spool/up2date by hand (having downloaded them by way of up2date and failing), RPM hangs with the following error: "error: open of References: <3F9FD709.2050104@atl.lmco.com> <3F9FD9D1.8070904@fh-sbg.ac.at> <1067442304.7281.10.camel@london.east.gov> <3F9FE2CE.1070008@fh-sbg.ac.at> <3F9FE5F6.5070106@atl.lmco.com> Message-ID: <1067443966.2606.12.camel@dbxwsd21> I'm also having trouble with the redhat-config-network packages. On Wed, 2003-10-29 at 11:08, Doug Stewart wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Andreas Sartori wrote: > > | that was just an example. it happens every time up2date has to check > | dependencies. > | > | > | > | can you send me your configuration of /etc/sysconfig/rhn/sources > | ? > | > | would be nice > | > | > | -andy > | > | -------------------------------------------------------- > | andreas sartori > | system management > | information & network technologies > | redhat certified engineer > | > > | fh salzburg fachhochschulgesellschaft mbh > | schillerstra?e 30 > | 5020 salzburg austria > | tel. +43 662 4665 652 / fax 659 > | http://www.fh-sbg.ac.at/int/ > | > | > | > | Paul W. Frields wrote: > | > |>On Wed, 2003-10-29 at 10:16, Andreas Sartori wrote: > |> > |> > |>>another failure with up2date. > |>>i dont know if it has already been writte here but, > |>>when i update packages and there are dependencies, the up2date > |>>process just hangs. in the logfile i just get: > |>>[Wed Oct 29 08:58:54 2003] up2date solving dep for: ['mozilla', > |>>'libcrlayeng.so.1', 'libcroco', 'libcroco.so.1', 'libcrseleng.so.1', > 'xmms'] > |>> > |>>then nothing happens anymore. > |>> > |>> > |> > |>The libcroco issue, I believe, came up as folks updated librsvg2. Try > |>updating up2date first to see if that solves the issue. If not, what > |>I've done locally is to have a yum repo for a mirror of rawhide, and one > |>for the base (e.g. fedora-0.95) install. If I point > |>/etc/sysconfig/rhn/sources at both yum repos, that seems to handle > |>everything quite nicely. > |> > |> > |> > | -- fedora-test-list mailing list fedora-test-list at redhat.com > | http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > Arrrgh. New error. When I try to install multiple RPMs from > /var/spool/up2date by hand (having downloaded them by way of up2date and > failing), RPM hangs with the following error: > "error: open of error: open of HTML failed: No such file or directory > error: open of PUBLIC failed: No such file or directory" > > This occurs specifically with the bash and redhat-config-network packages. > > A little help? > > - -- > - ---------- > Doug Stewart > Systems Administrator/Web Applications Developer > Lockheed Martin Advanced Technology Labs > dstewart at atl.lmco.com > > Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (MingW32) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iD8DBQE/n+X2N50Q8DVvcvkRAsP/AJ4rMe0JBpaaU9X13xzWNrizCLdFjQCfdHo7 > /FZQirdDyyYfc4nqJSpK1G4= > =f4Ds > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Wed Oct 29 16:14:08 2003 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: 29 Oct 2003 11:14:08 -0500 Subject: Yum Config Question In-Reply-To: <1067443696.11720.10.camel@wintermute.sr.unh.edu> References: <1067369020.3659.85.camel@wintermute.sr.unh.edu> <1067370688.24429.40.camel@opus> <1067441124.10275.6.camel@wintermute.sr.unh.edu> <1067442970.1361.1.camel@opus> <1067443696.11720.10.camel@wintermute.sr.unh.edu> Message-ID: <1067444048.1365.3.camel@opus> On Wed, 2003-10-29 at 11:08, Thomas J. Baker wrote: > On Wed, 2003-10-29 at 10:56, seth vidal wrote: > > > It doesn't seem like kernel-source is there by default. I will verify > > > this in a moment. > > > > > > Also, the documentation is somewhat misleading in that is says > > > > > > installonlypkgs > > > list of packages that should only ever be installed, never > > > updated - kernels in particular fall into this category. > > > Defaults to kernel, kernel-smp, kernel-bigmem, kernel-enter- > > > prise, kernel-debug, kernel-unsupported. > > > > > > which is a comma separated list. I couldn't find anything in the man > > > page about the default format of multi-value directives. > > > > > > > yep, that's a bug, though in honesty I should just let them be space or > > comma separated. > > > > Could you file that at: > > https://devel.linux.duke.edu/bugzilla/enter_bug.cgi?product=yum > > -sv > > > > Bug #150 is the documentation bug and bug#149 is the missing > kernel-source bug. > > I just verified that kernel-source is not in the default > installonlypkgs: Thanks - I'll get it fixed shortly. -sv From josh at navilogix.com Wed Oct 29 16:16:50 2003 From: josh at navilogix.com (Josh McKenna) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 11:16:50 -0500 Subject: Up2Date still having problems... In-Reply-To: <20031029135901.22559.9918.Mailman@listman.back-rdu.redhat.com> References: <20031029135901.22559.9918.Mailman@listman.back-rdu.redhat.com> Message-ID: <3F9FE7F2.1050406@navilogix.com> so here's my sob story... a bit more detail this time.. if I do an up2date -u --nosig everything works fine... sometimes... the exception seems to be when a new package is available for a package I have installed, but the new package has a new dependency that I have NOT met previously... Also, I have the problem when I use up2date to install a package I do NOT already have, and that package has dependencies that I don't already have... If I figure out what rpm's I need to meet the dependencies before I do it (I can use up2date to get them if they don't have dependencies of their own) then all is well... emptying out /var/spool/up2date does me no good either, btw, tho I do it anyway out of habit now... to clarify further, the only problem I've run into is the issue of up2date bonking at the dependency checking phase... other than that, up2date seems to be working fine, at least for me... hope that helps! -jbm sends p.s. - is there gonna be a channel on RHN for Fedora Core when the general release is done? I blew $500 of my employers money a month ago to buy enterprise entitlements for RH9, and it feels like I've wasted the money if I can't keep them up on the latest release... I know they want me to buy RHEL, but I just can justify that for mail gateways and dns servers... maybe they could add a rawhide channel to RHN? From notting at redhat.com Wed Oct 29 16:16:30 2003 From: notting at redhat.com (Bill Nottingham) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 11:16:30 -0500 Subject: up2date Error [Was: Re: New fedora-release in rawhide] In-Reply-To: <1067443966.2606.12.camel@dbxwsd21>; from whb@ceimaine.org on Wed, Oct 29, 2003 at 11:12:47AM -0500 References: <3F9FD709.2050104@atl.lmco.com> <3F9FD9D1.8070904@fh-sbg.ac.at> <1067442304.7281.10.camel@london.east.gov> <3F9FE2CE.1070008@fh-sbg.ac.at> <3F9FE5F6.5070106@atl.lmco.com> <1067443966.2606.12.camel@dbxwsd21> Message-ID: <20031029111630.F3611@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Will Backman (whb at ceimaine.org) said: > I'm also having trouble with the redhat-config-network packages. Our sync processes got out of sync with each other. We'll get it straightened out eventually today. Bill From johnsonm at redhat.com Wed Oct 29 16:32:29 2003 From: johnsonm at redhat.com (Michael K. Johnson) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 11:32:29 -0500 Subject: no X after full upgrade from test3 to upgraded pkgs for test3 In-Reply-To: ; from reader@newsguy.com on Tue, Oct 28, 2003 at 12:10:57PM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20031029113229.A28117@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Tue, Oct 28, 2003 at 12:10:57PM -0600, Harry Putnam wrote: > After a full upgrade this morning from older test3 to the newest > stuff, I'm unable to startx or to boot to runlevel 5. > XFREE pkgs were some of those updated and now consist of: > rpm -qa|grep XF > XFree86-libs-data-4.3.0-42 > XFree86-devel-4.3.0-42 > XFree86-libs-4.3.0-42 > XFree86-Mesa-libGL-4.3.0-42 > XFree86-Mesa-libGLU-4.3.0-42 > > I'm pretty sure there should be a bunch more from > rpm -qa|grep XF You can get a log of what was on your machine before by looking at /var/log/rpmpkgs (or one of the rotate versions). That can help you track down what went missing. michaelkjohnson "He that composes himself is wiser than he that composes a book." Linux Application Development -- Ben Franklin http://people.redhat.com/johnsonm/lad/ From thompsma at colorado.edu Wed Oct 29 16:36:36 2003 From: thompsma at colorado.edu (The Matt) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 09:36:36 -0700 Subject: New fedora-release in rawhide In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1067445396.2581.11.camel@ixion.colorado.edu> On Wed, 2003-10-29 at 07:50, Elliot Lee wrote: > On Wed, 29 Oct 2003, Doug Stewart wrote: > > > I noticed that, upon running up2date this morning, it was prompting me > > to upgrade fedora-relase to 1-1 (over 0.95). I skipped that package, so > > as to avoid any potential nastiness. Does this mean that next week's > > FC1 release has been bumped up? Will there be any complications if I > > upgrade to the newer fedora-release? > > It's part of the preparation for the release, which is not yet fully > baked. YMMV. Well, I in my idiocy didn't skip it. I meant to just download it (too look at what had changed), but instead installed it. So, I'll let the list know if I screwed up anything. Oh, and there seems to be an snafu with fedora-release-1/RELEASE-NOTES-master.xml and Galeon. Galeon wouldn't read it without defining — and · as ENTITY. It then shows it without error with a usual: This XML file does not appear to have any style information associated with it. The document tree is shown below. This could be normal with Galeon and XML, but just an FYI. -- I am a theoretical chemist. Fear me! Please. Matt Thompson -- http://ucsub.colorado.edu/~thompsma/ 440 UCB, Boulder, CO 80309-0440 JILA A510, 303-492-4662 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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[root@]# dmesg | grep -i hdd ide1: BM-DMA at 0xb808-0xb80f, BIOS settings: hdc:DMA, hdd:DMA hdd: SAMSUNG SP0411N, ATA DISK drive hdd: 66055248 sectors (33820 MB) w/2048KiB Cache, CHS=4111/255/63, UDMA(33) hdd: hdd1 [root@]# cat /proc/ide/hdd/capacity 66055248 [root@]# cat /proc/ide/hdd/model SAMSUNG SP0411N [root]# cat /proc/ide/hdd/settings name value min max mode ---- ----- --- --- ---- acoustic 0 0 254 rw address 1 0 2 rw bios_cyl 4111 0 65535 rw bios_head 255 0 255 rw bios_sect 63 0 63 rw breada_readahead 8 0 255 rw bswap 0 0 1 r current_speed 66 0 69 rw failures 0 0 65535 rw file_readahead 124 0 16384 rw ide_scsi 0 0 1 rw init_speed 12 0 69 rw io_32bit 1 0 3 rw keepsettings 0 0 1 rw lun 0 0 7 rw max_failures 1 0 65535 rw max_kb_per_request 128 1 255 rw multcount 16 0 16 rw nice1 1 0 1 rw nowerr 0 0 1 rw number 3 0 3 rw pio_mode write-only 0 255 w slow 0 0 1 rw unmaskirq 1 0 1 rw using_dma 1 0 1 rw wcache 0 0 1 rw [root@]# fdisk -l Disk /dev/hdd: 255 heads, 63 sectors, 4111 cylinders Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 bytes Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System /dev/hdd1 1 4111 33021576 83 Linux Disk /dev/hda: 255 heads, 63 sectors, 4865 cylinders Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 bytes Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System /dev/hda1 * 1 522 4192933+ 83 Linux /dev/hda2 523 587 522112+ 82 Linux swap /dev/hda3 588 4865 34363035 83 Linux Disk /dev/hdb: 255 heads, 63 sectors, 2481 cylinders Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 bytes Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System /dev/hdb1 1 66 530113+ 82 Linux swap /dev/hdb2 67 2481 19398487+ 83 Linux [root at GPSTEC5 root]# tune2fs -l /dev/hdd1 Filesystem volume name: Last mounted on: Filesystem UUID: 5fdb99b0-229a-4aa0-8db2-cb6a5f6c6051 Filesystem magic number: 0xEF53 Filesystem revision #: 1 (dynamic) Filesystem features: has_journal filetype needs_recovery sparse_super Filesystem state: clean Errors behavior: Continue Filesystem OS type: Linux Inode count: 4128768 Block count: 8255394 Reserved block count: 0 Free blocks: 6975774 Free inodes: 4093101 First block: 0 Block size: 4096 Fragment size: 4096 Blocks per group: 32768 Fragments per group: 32768 Inodes per group: 16384 Inode blocks per group: 512 Last mount time: Thu Oct 9 18:37:43 2003 Last write time: Mon Oct 27 17:34:38 2003 Mount count: 2 Maximum mount count: 33 Last checked: Thu Oct 9 18:27:21 2003 Check interval: 15552000 (6 months) Next check after: Tue Apr 6 18:27:21 2004 Reserved blocks uid: 0 (user root) Reserved blocks gid: 0 (group root) First inode: 11 Inode size: 128 Journal UUID: Journal inode: 8 Journal device: 0x0000 First orphan inode: 0 __________________________________________________________________________ Acabe com aquelas janelinhas que pulam na sua tela. AntiPop-up UOL - ? gr?tis! http://antipopup.uol.com.br/ From pjain001 at covad.net Wed Oct 29 16:42:22 2003 From: pjain001 at covad.net (pjain001 at covad.net) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 11:42:22 -0500 (EST) Subject: gDesklets in Fedora Message-ID: <42047.63.161.116.194.1067445742@sun-qmail15.laserlink.net> Just curious if anyone has been able to get gDesklets running under Fedora? http://gdesklets.gnomedesktop.org/ Thanks Pankaj From whb at ceimaine.org Wed Oct 29 16:49:50 2003 From: whb at ceimaine.org (Will Backman) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 11:49:50 -0500 Subject: Xnest grabbing mouse Message-ID: <1067446190.2606.23.camel@dbxwsd21> Running up2date XFree86-Xnest --nosig Running under gnome. Xnest :1& Gives me a windows that is smaller than full screen, which is ok. If I maximize the window, the Xnest root window does not expand as expected, but I am now unable to move the mouse outside the smaller confines of the root window. Is this normal for Xnest? -- Will From whb at ceimaine.org Wed Oct 29 16:52:19 2003 From: whb at ceimaine.org (Will Backman) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 11:52:19 -0500 Subject: Xnest grabbing mouse In-Reply-To: <1067446190.2606.23.camel@dbxwsd21> References: <1067446190.2606.23.camel@dbxwsd21> Message-ID: <1067446339.2606.26.camel@dbxwsd21> Also, keyboard is messed up. Ran as Xnest -ac -nolisten tcp :1& twm -display :1& Use mouse to bring up twm menu in Xnest, launch xterm. Keyboard printing funny characters. On Wed, 2003-10-29 at 11:49, Will Backman wrote: > Running up2date XFree86-Xnest --nosig > Running under gnome. > Xnest :1& > > Gives me a windows that is smaller than full screen, which is ok. > If I maximize the window, the Xnest root window does not expand as > expected, but I am now unable to move the mouse outside the smaller > confines of the root window. Is this normal for Xnest? > > -- Will > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From whooperhsd3 at earthlink.net Wed Oct 29 16:52:44 2003 From: whooperhsd3 at earthlink.net (William Hooper) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 11:52:44 -0500 (EST) Subject: up2date Error [Was: Re: New fedora-release in rawhide] In-Reply-To: <3F9FE5F6.5070106@atl.lmco.com> References: <3F9FD709.2050104@atl.lmco.com> <3F9FD9D1.8070904@fh-sbg.ac.at> <1067442304.7281.10.camel@london.east.gov> <3F9FE2CE.1070008@fh-sbg.ac.at> <3F9FE5F6.5070106@atl.lmco.com> Message-ID: <3009.12.29.16.103.1067446364.squirrel@12.29.16.103> Doug Stewart said: [major snip] > Arrrgh. New error. When I try to install multiple RPMs from > /var/spool/up2date by hand (having downloaded them by way of up2date and > failing), RPM hangs with the following error: > "error: open of error: open of HTML failed: No such file or directory > error: open of PUBLIC failed: No such file or directory" > > This occurs specifically with the bash and redhat-config-network packages. If you open up those files with a text editor you will find they are webpages (most likely 404 errors). Try downloading again. -- William Hooper From johnsonm at redhat.com Wed Oct 29 16:55:52 2003 From: johnsonm at redhat.com (Michael K. Johnson) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 11:55:52 -0500 Subject: kernel-2.6 test8 In-Reply-To: ; from rpjday@mindspring.com on Tue, Oct 28, 2003 at 10:00:39PM -0500 References: <20031029015652.GA1827@orient.maison> Message-ID: <20031029115552.A867@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Tue, Oct 28, 2003 at 10:00:39PM -0500, Robert P. J. Day wrote: > On Wed, 29 Oct 2003, Emmanuel Seyman wrote: > > ??? > > There's a test9 rpm out now. > > http://people.redhat.com/~arjanv/2.5/RPMS.kernel/ > > from a previous posting, i recall someone referring to the RH kernel > release as being "heavily patched" from the pristine source. while i plan > on opening up the src.rpm to see what the patches are, can someone > summarize the *major* RH changes? just curious. Since this is in the context of a discussion about the 2.6.0-test kernels, we should mention that the 2.6.0-test kernels are NOT heavily patched. Arjan's current tree has 6 patches. o Non-interactive configuration Makes it so our builds FAIL LOUDLY if we have a config file problem. o must-check Takes advantage of a very new compiler feature to look for bugs where return values are not checked but MUST be o exec-shield An attempt at protection from certain types of security vulnerabilities. o vidfail Fallback to working video if selection fails, useful in particular if you want to try to use framebuffer for an installer o compile Fixes for things that don't compile right now, continuously being pushed upstream and regenerated to deal with new bugs :-) o module-license Add missing module licenses to avoid problems with tainting The only remotely invasive patch is the exec-shield patch; the rest are not at all invasive. michaelkjohnson "He that composes himself is wiser than he that composes a book." Linux Application Development -- Ben Franklin http://people.redhat.com/johnsonm/lad/ From heiko at smart-linux.com Wed Oct 29 16:57:56 2003 From: heiko at smart-linux.com (Heiko Jones) Date: 29 Oct 2003 08:57:56 -0800 Subject: Laptop Mode In-Reply-To: <200310301334.30694.hoyt@cavtel.net> References: <1067399164.1823.10.camel@chastain> <200310301334.30694.hoyt@cavtel.net> Message-ID: <1067446675.781.27.camel@celery> What does it do exactly and how is it enabled in the kernel? I did not see anything in the release notes, and remember it being disabled somewhere along 0.94. Heiko From whb at ceimaine.org Wed Oct 29 16:57:19 2003 From: whb at ceimaine.org (Will Backman) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 11:57:19 -0500 Subject: Xnest grabbing mouse In-Reply-To: <1067446339.2606.26.camel@dbxwsd21> References: <1067446190.2606.23.camel@dbxwsd21> <1067446339.2606.26.camel@dbxwsd21> Message-ID: <1067446639.2606.28.camel@dbxwsd21> Seems to happen every time I ALT+TAB around. xterm works fine. I ALT+TAB to other apps, then back to Xnest, and twm unresponsive. Anyone else get this? On Wed, 2003-10-29 at 11:52, Will Backman wrote: > Also, keyboard is messed up. > Ran as Xnest -ac -nolisten tcp :1& > twm -display :1& > Use mouse to bring up twm menu in Xnest, launch xterm. > Keyboard printing funny characters. > > On Wed, 2003-10-29 at 11:49, Will Backman wrote: > > Running up2date XFree86-Xnest --nosig > > Running under gnome. > > Xnest :1& > > > > Gives me a windows that is smaller than full screen, which is ok. > > If I maximize the window, the Xnest root window does not expand as > > expected, but I am now unable to move the mouse outside the smaller > > confines of the root window. Is this normal for Xnest? > > > > -- Will > > > > > > -- > > fedora-test-list mailing list > > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From brugolsky at telemetry-investments.com Wed Oct 29 17:04:57 2003 From: brugolsky at telemetry-investments.com (Bill Rugolsky Jr.) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 12:04:57 -0500 Subject: Urgent testing request for openoffice.org-1.1.0-4.4 In-Reply-To: <20031029062535.A2097@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <20031029062535.A2097@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20031029170457.GA6370@ti19.telemetry-investments.com> On Wed, Oct 29, 2003 at 06:25:35AM -0500, Jakub Jelinek wrote: > ftp://people.redhat.com/jakub/openoffice.org/ > is another release of OO.o rpms with improved startup speed. Wow! Since moving to OO.org 1.1 startup is already quite fast, but soffice2.bin does it even better. On my Pentium-M 1.6GHz laptop, prelinked, with program hot in cache, soffice1.bin starts in < 3s, soffice2.bin starts < 2.5s, and ooffice benchmark.sxi pulls up a 114699-byte, 25 slide presentation in < 3s. [http://www.netfilter.org/~kadlec/workshop-2003-budapest/benchmark.sxi] I may have to move from antiword to OO.org. ;-) Thanks Jakub! Regards, Bill Rugolsky From kawisan at telus.net Wed Oct 29 17:09:01 2003 From: kawisan at telus.net (ryan) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 10:09:01 -0700 Subject: host blocking on ftp.redhat.com? Message-ID: <1067447340.4361.2.camel@dakota.kawisan.com> hi, just wondering if the up2date server (http://ftp.redhat.com) does some sort of filtering on hosts that maybe appear to be pounding it a bit too much or updating too much, etc. i currently can't connect from this fedora box, but can without issue from a windows box. if i change my IP on my fedora box i can connect to up2date again. its the third time its happened to me... connection throttling? cheers -ryan From ruinaudio at comcast.net Wed Oct 29 17:11:14 2003 From: ruinaudio at comcast.net (Ryan) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 11:11:14 -0600 Subject: applications:/// In-Reply-To: <1067445396.2581.11.camel@ixion.colorado.edu> References: <1067445396.2581.11.camel@ixion.colorado.edu> Message-ID: <1067447474.25786.29.camel@ruin> Hi, I'm not sure my initial email made it to the list (I just set up a new "list only" email account). I've read on the gnome-devel list that Redhat removed the ability to edit applications:/// I'm wondering if this is true and if so what the reasoning behind this is? And also how I can fix things so that I can edit menus. thanks all, -ry From terraformers at gmx.net Wed Oct 29 17:17:05 2003 From: terraformers at gmx.net (lars) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 18:17:05 +0100 Subject: rp-pppoe problem Message-ID: <200310291817.05227.terraformers@gmx.net> hello after updating to the latest rawhide rp-pppoe 3.5-7 i cant dsl connect to my provider any more. downgrading rp-pppoe to an earlier version (used the one from rh9) works ok. any hints? thanks, lars From stevewa at spiritone.com Wed Oct 29 17:14:09 2003 From: stevewa at spiritone.com (Steve Ward) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 09:14:09 -0800 Subject: ATI driver with arjan's 2.6 kernels Message-ID: <3F9FF561.90206@spiritone.com> Dave Jones wrote: > On Wed, Oct 29, 2003 at 12:38:08AM -0800, Steve Ward wrote: > > Is anyone else trying to use the proprietary ATI fglrx drivers with > > arjan's 2.6.0-test rpms? > > > > Having trouble with oopses when loading the module. Runs ok on stock > > Linus kernel. > Probably due to the fact we now compile the AGP driver into the kernel > for various reasons. Actually, I noticed that :-) I have been using the kernel-source RPM and changing the AGP driver from compiled-in to modular and now I'm seeing the oopses. Before I didn't even get a compile... From nosp at xades.com Wed Oct 29 17:22:17 2003 From: nosp at xades.com (nosp) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 17:22:17 +0000 Subject: Urgent testing request for openoffice.org-1.1.0-4.4 In-Reply-To: <20031029062535.A2097@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <20031029062535.A2097@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1067448137.28986.6.camel@earth.xades.com> On Wed, 2003-10-29 at 11:25, Jakub Jelinek wrote: > ftp://people.redhat.com/jakub/openoffice.org/ > is another release of OO.o rpms with improved startup speed. > Please test as much as possible Long details of my test at the end of this mail. Summary: on my dual athlon-mp, initial (non-cached) startup time was very slightly improved (around 14 secs -- but too close to call given crude methodology / measurements); subsequent-run startup time was roughly halved (from 4 secs to 2 secs). soffice2.bin and soffice3.bin "felt" the same though in both cold & warm start times; only the LD debug stats reveal the difference. > (if there are enough success reports > and no problem reports, there is (IMHO) still a small chance > to make it the default; No problems so far...will use day2day in the next few days for real tests. test details -- all numbers in seconds unless otherwise noted ----- soffice1.bin [no prep] 19 12 7 4 4 4 3 3 [copy 1gb file to another] 11 4 3 3.5 3.5 3.5 [copy 1gb file to another] 16 4 3.5 3.5 3.5 [copy 1gb file to another] 16.5 3.5 3.5 3.5 3.5 [copy 1gb file to another] 9 3.5 3.5 3.5 statistics -- 1st & 3rd ld stats runs, each after cp 1gb file to another 30120: runtime linker statistics: 30120: total startup time in dynamic loader: 813454903 clock cycles 30120: time needed for relocation: 114606120 clock cycles (14.0%) 30120: number of relocations: 0 30120: number of relocations from cache: 2142 30120: number of relative relocations: 0 30120: time needed to load objects: 612537714 clock cycles (75.3%) [...] 30172: runtime linker statistics: 30172: total startup time in dynamic loader: 707677064 clock cycles 30172: time needed for relocation: 126300127 clock cycles (17.8%) 30172: number of relocations: 0 30172: number of relocations from cache: 2142 30172: number of relative relocations: 0 30172: time needed to load objects: 475508997 clock cycles (67.1%) statistics -- second ld stats run, no cp beforehand 30153: runtime linker statistics: 30153: total startup time in dynamic loader: 5341745 clock cycles 30153: time needed for relocation: 1289424 clock cycles (24.1%) 30153: number of relocations: 0 30153: number of relocations from cache: 2142 30153: number of relative relocations: 0 30153: time needed to load objects: 3473191 clock cycles (65.0%) ----- soffice2.bin Startup time [copy 1gb file to another] 9 2 2 2 2 [copy 1gb file to another] 14 2 2 2 2 [copy 1gb file to another] 9 2 2 2 2 [copy 1gb file to another] 14 2 2 2 2 [copy 1gb file to another] 14 2 2 2 2 statistics -- 1st & 3rd ld stats runs, each after cp 1gb file to another 30036: runtime linker statistics: 30036: total startup time in dynamic loader: 2229945349 clock cycles 30036: time needed for relocation: 262126892 clock cycles (11.7%) 30036: number of relocations: 0 30036: number of relocations from cache: 5309 30036: number of relative relocations: 0 30036: time needed to load objects: 1856993198 clock cycles (83.2%) [...] 30097: runtime linker statistics: 30097: total startup time in dynamic loader: 1110140279 clock cycles 30097: time needed for relocation: 22401073 clock cycles (2.0%) 30097: number of relocations: 0 30097: number of relocations from cache: 5309 30097: number of relative relocations: 0 30097: time needed to load objects: 1072290924 clock cycles (96.5%) statistics -- second ld stats run, no cp beforehand 30064: runtime linker statistics: 30064: total startup time in dynamic loader: 11341360 clock cycles 30064: time needed for relocation: 3130126 clock cycles (27.5%) 30064: number of relocations: 0 30064: number of relocations from cache: 5309 30064: number of relative relocations: 0 30064: time needed to load objects: 7149482 clock cycles (63.0%) ----- soffice3.bin Startup time [copy 1gb file to another] 14 2 2 2 [copy 1gb file to another] 13 2 2 2 2 2 [copy 1gb file to another] 14.5 2 2 2 2 2 statistics -- 1st & 3rd ld stats runs, each after cp 1gb file to another 30189: runtime linker statistics: 30189: total startup time in dynamic loader: 1697387428 clock cycles 30189: time needed for relocation: 423305378 clock cycles (24.9%) 30189: number of relocations: 0 30189: number of relocations from cache: 8961 30189: number of relative relocations: 0 30189: time needed to load objects: 1125716120 clock cycles (66.3%) [...] 30220: runtime linker statistics: 30220: total startup time in dynamic loader: 2403632495 clock cycles 30220: time needed for relocation: 411469547 clock cycles (17.1%) 30220: number of relocations: 0 30220: number of relocations from cache: 8961 30220: number of relative relocations: 0 30220: time needed to load objects: 1844293007 clock cycles (76.7%) statistics -- second ld stats run, no cp beforehand 30201: runtime linker statistics: 30201: total startup time in dynamic loader: 14080852 clock cycles 30201: time needed for relocation: 4240874 clock cycles (30.1%) 30201: number of relocations: 0 30201: number of relocations from cache: 8961 30201: number of relative relocations: 0 30201: time needed to load objects: 8485607 clock cycles (60.2%) ----- system stats: FC1T3, Dual Athlon 1600+MPs, 512MB ECC RAM mobo: Asus A7M266-D, AMD 760MPX chipset hd: IDE UATA western digital caviar WDC WD300BB-00AUA1, ATA DISK drive --- # uname -a "Linux xxxxxx 2.4.22-1.2108.nptlsmp #1 SMP Wed Oct 22 19:09:01 EDT 2003 i686 athlon i386 GNU/Linux" # rpm -q prelink openoffice.org openoffice.org-libs prelink-0.3.0-11 openoffice.org-1.1.0-4.4 openoffice.org-libs-1.1.0-4.4 # hdparm /dev/hda /dev/hda: multcount = 16 (on) IO_support = 1 (32-bit) unmaskirq = 1 (on) using_dma = 1 (on) keepsettings = 0 (off) readonly = 0 (off) readahead = 8 (on) geometry = 3649/255/63, sectors = 58633344, start = 0 ---- # free (after cp #1 of soffice1.bin tests) total used free shared buffers cached Mem: 514276 506848 7428 0 3744 309176 -/+ buffers/cache: 193928 320348 Swap: 1542188 355892 1186296 From andre at bwh.harvard.edu Wed Oct 29 17:27:07 2003 From: andre at bwh.harvard.edu (Andre Robatino) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 12:27:07 -0500 (EST) Subject: rp-pppoe problem In-Reply-To: <200310291817.05227.terraformers@gmx.net> from "lars" at Oct 29, 2003 06:17:05 PM Message-ID: <200310291727.h9THR7G16359@garfield.bwh.harvard.edu> > hello > > after updating to the latest rawhide rp-pppoe 3.5-7 i cant dsl > connect to my provider any more. > downgrading rp-pppoe to an earlier version (used the one from rh9) works ok. > any hints? > > thanks, > lars I was just bitten by this. Presumably the new version was from yesterday's updates, since today is the first time I tried to bring up the interface since then. It's been filed as bug #108416. From paul at frields.com Wed Oct 29 17:27:46 2003 From: paul at frields.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: 29 Oct 2003 12:27:46 -0500 Subject: up2date Error [Was: Re: New fedora-release in rawhide] In-Reply-To: <3009.12.29.16.103.1067446364.squirrel@12.29.16.103> References: <3F9FD709.2050104@atl.lmco.com> <3F9FD9D1.8070904@fh-sbg.ac.at> <1067442304.7281.10.camel@london.east.gov> <3F9FE2CE.1070008@fh-sbg.ac.at> <3F9FE5F6.5070106@atl.lmco.com> <3009.12.29.16.103.1067446364.squirrel@12.29.16.103> Message-ID: <1067448466.7281.18.camel@london.east.gov> On Wed, 2003-10-29 at 11:52, William Hooper wrote: > > Arrrgh. New error. When I try to install multiple RPMs from > > /var/spool/up2date by hand (having downloaded them by way of up2date and > > failing), RPM hangs with the following error: > > "error: open of > error: open of HTML failed: No such file or directory > > error: open of PUBLIC failed: No such file or directory" > > > > This occurs specifically with the bash and redhat-config-network packages. > > If you open up those files with a text editor you will find they are > webpages (most likely 404 errors). Try downloading again. Furthermore, you can do: rpm -K --nosignature /path/to/*.rpm | grep "NOT OK" ...to find any errant fubar'd files. There is a small chance sometimes (can you tell it happened to me also?) that you can get a truncated package, depending on exactly when and with what mirror you happen to play download roulette. :-) -- Paul W. Frields From ruinaudio at comcast.net Wed Oct 29 17:28:03 2003 From: ruinaudio at comcast.net (Ryan) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 11:28:03 -0600 Subject: applications:/// Message-ID: <1067448483.7303.3.camel@ruin> On Wed, 2003-10-29 at 11:11, Ryan wrote: > Hi, > > I'm not sure my initial email made it to the list (I just set up a new > "list only" email account). > > I've read on the gnome-devel list that Redhat removed the ability to > edit applications:/// > > I'm wondering if this is true and if so what the reasoning behind this > is? And also how I can fix things so that I can edit menus. > > thanks all, > -ry For those others out there (few though they may be) who would like to be able to edit applications:/// try these instructions at your own risk (they're pulled verbatim from http://people.ecsc.co.uk/~matt/repository.html and they worked fine for me). Menu-editing in RedHat 9 * To enable menu editing per user config (via nautilus), you need to open a terminal and do the following: su - cd /etc/gnome-vfs-2.0/modules cp default-modules.conf default-modules.conf-no-menu-editing cp default-modules.conf.with-menu-editing default-modules.conf For any user you want to have the right to edit their menu, you also need to do this as the user: cd ~/.gnome2/vfolders cp /etc/X11/desktop-menus/applications.menu applications.vfolder-info * When gnome-panel is restarted (via logout/login or kill) the user will be able to see the changes they have made to their menu. Enjoy, -ry From bernhard.harb at aon.at Wed Oct 29 17:34:27 2003 From: bernhard.harb at aon.at (Bernhard Harb) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 18:34:27 +0100 Subject: up2date hangs In-Reply-To: <20031029160401.29294.29367.Mailman@listman.back-rdu.redhat.com> Message-ID: <000101c39e42$e72e0990$0f55fea9@homer> When I want to use up2date to get the newest rpms with FCT3 up2date hangs when getting header of auth...1.4..gtk (something like that). Does anyone know how to get that working? Thankx, Bernhard. From terraformers at gmx.net Wed Oct 29 17:40:56 2003 From: terraformers at gmx.net (lars) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 18:40:56 +0100 Subject: rp-pppoe problem Message-ID: <200310291840.56942.terraformers@gmx.net> ah, looks like the "fixed nickname issue" causes the problem. thanks, lars you wrote: I was just bitten by this. Presumably the new version was from yesterday's updates, since today is the first time I tried to bring up the interface since then. It's been filed as bug #108416. > hello > > after updating to the latest rawhide rp-pppoe 3.5-7 i cant dsl > connect to my provider any more. > downgrading rp-pppoe to an earlier version (used the one from rh9) works ok. > any hints? > > thanks, > lars From hoyt at cavtel.net Thu Oct 30 17:46:10 2003 From: hoyt at cavtel.net (HoytDuff) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 17:46:10 +0000 Subject: Laptop Mode In-Reply-To: <1067446675.781.27.camel@celery> References: <1067399164.1823.10.camel@chastain> <200310301334.30694.hoyt@cavtel.net> <1067446675.781.27.camel@celery> Message-ID: <200310301746.10560.hoyt@cavtel.net> On Wednesday 29 October 2003 04:57 pm, Heiko Jones wrote: > What does it do exactly and how is it enabled in the kernel? I did not > see anything in the release notes, and remember it being disabled > somewhere along 0.94. Re-enabled recently, AFAK. Check the kernel changelogs. # rpm -q --changelog package -- Hoyt From kilen at us.ibm.com Wed Oct 29 17:49:37 2003 From: kilen at us.ibm.com (Rick Kilen) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 10:49:37 -0700 Subject: Kickstart, LVM and Preserving VGs and LVs Message-ID: I just started testing Fedora, and have some questions about how to preserve LVM definitions (both VGs and LVs) across installations. My preference for Linux upgrades, particularly when working with beta or experimental software, is to do a fresh install, rather than an upgrade. Prior to working with LVM, I could use part statements in ks.cfg to specify how to use existing disk partitions, using --onpart, and which ones needed data preserved, using --noformat. I've looked at the RH 9 Customization guide for Kickstart options pertaining to LVM, but haven't found any equivalents to --onpart and --noformat, at least not in the volgroup or logvol statements. I have played a bit, but have so far not found the appropriate incantations. A short example: Existing partitions: hda1 (/boot), hda2 (LVM's rootvg with rootlv and homelv), hda3 (swap) Want to preserve both the LVs in hda2, and additionally the data in homelv Would like to be able to specify something like this in ks.cfg: #clearpart --linux part swap --onpart=hda3 part /boot --onpart=hda1 part pv.01 --onpart=hda2 --noformat volgroup rootvg pv.01 --preserve and have Kickstart recognize the existing LVs in rootvg Since I want to have Kickstart format rootlv and preserve homelv, I expect I'd also need something like: logvol / --vgname=rootvg --lvname=rootlv --clean logvol /home --vgname=rootvg --lvname=homelv --noformat where --clean implies that it exists but needs formatting, and --noformat is the same as for part statements. I've commented out all the partitioning information, but Kickstart then offers me only three choices: remove all partitions, remove all linux partitions, and retain all partitions and install to free space, which is not what I'm after... 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Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From elwoo at videotron.ca Wed Oct 29 17:43:06 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 12:43:06 -0500 Subject: up2date Error [Was: Re: New fedora-release in rawhide] In-Reply-To: <20031029111630.F3611@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <1067443966.2606.12.camel@dbxwsd21> <20031029111630.F3611@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <200310291243.07085.elwoo@videotron.ca> On October 29, 2003 11:16 am, Bill Nottingham , > wrote: > Will Backman (whb at ceimaine.org) said: > > I'm also having trouble with the redhat-config-network packages. > > Our sync processes got out of sync with each other. We'll get it > straightened out eventually today. > Bill, besides the redhat-config-network packages, I'm also having trouble downloading nautilus-debug. I've spent the entire morning downloading with up2date, and eventually, I had to resort to doing it one or two pacakges at a time, *then* restarting up2date, etc., etc... (just so you know ...) Thanks, Elton. -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From elwoo at videotron.ca Wed Oct 29 17:55:59 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 12:55:59 -0500 Subject: Help me to configure XF86Config for TV-out In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200310291255.59978.elwoo@videotron.ca> On October 29, 2003 11:01 am, Vanco, Don , <"Vanco, Don" > wrote: > Alor wrote: > > Help me to configure XF86Config for display video on TV using tv-out > This list > getting WAY too many support and OT threads going to keep up with it... I > can appreciate the desire to get TV out working - but this list should not > be the first place you stop to learn how to do so... Quite true. You have a very valid point. > I really wanna help with the Fedora stuff - but damn, 200 emails a > day is really excessive when the signal-to-noise ratio starts to drop like Might I suggest the following: 1) Set your mailer to thread messages, that way you can simply skip over subjects which don't interest you. 2) A better solution: get the list in digest form. The former method might not really be so good, since some users are obstinately inclined to top post, thereby confusing those who are new to the list (*OR* googling for information). Others post either without any subject line, or without changing the topic appropriately... Hopefully, this latter method will save both your time and the stress on your nerves! HTH & cheers, Elton ;-) -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From elwoo at videotron.ca Wed Oct 29 18:04:34 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 13:04:34 -0500 Subject: Urgent testing request for openoffice.org-1.1.0-4.4 In-Reply-To: <1067448137.28986.6.camel@earth.xades.com> References: <20031029062535.A2097@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1067448137.28986.6.camel@earth.xades.com> Message-ID: <200310291304.34525.elwoo@videotron.ca> On Wed, 2003-10-29 at 11:25, Jakub Jelinek wrote: > > ftp://people.redhat.com/jakub/openoffice.org/ > > is another release of OO.o rpms with improved startup speed. > > Please test as much as possible I cannot give a "scientific" report of performance, but just to let you know: OpenOffice applications do start up faster on my humble little 1GB Athlon. What I like particularly, is that the splash screen is up and gone outta sight so fast that you don't have to "sit and wait" for th application to load. Excellent! (not the best report, but feedback, nonetheless...) Elton ;-) -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From paul at frields.com Wed Oct 29 18:11:08 2003 From: paul at frields.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: 29 Oct 2003 13:11:08 -0500 Subject: Up2Date still having problems... In-Reply-To: <3F9FE7F2.1050406@navilogix.com> References: <20031029135901.22559.9918.Mailman@listman.back-rdu.redhat.com> <3F9FE7F2.1050406@navilogix.com> Message-ID: <1067451067.7281.47.camel@london.east.gov> On Wed, 2003-10-29 at 11:16, Josh McKenna wrote: > if I do an up2date -u --nosig everything works fine... > sometimes... > the exception seems to be when a new package is available > for a package I have installed, but the new package has a > new dependency that I have NOT met previously... I think I just described my fix to someone else on the list, but in case you missed it... I keep a local FTP/HTTP mirror of both the base distro (severn3/FC-0.95) and rawhide. Rawhide gets updated via rsync roughly nightly. I use the same cron job as the rsync update to also do a yum-arch to rewrite the yum repo headers. (The yum headers for the base distro obviously only needed to be written once since they don't change.) My clients use yum to point to both of those sources, "base" and "rawhide". As a result, up2date works perfectly here -- well, at least as far as this issue goes. > p.s. - is there gonna be a channel on RHN for Fedora Core > when the general release is done? I blew $500 of my > employers money a month ago to buy enterprise entitlements > for RH9, and it feels like I've wasted the money if I can't > keep them up on the latest release... I know there are Red Hat employees on this list, but to save their valuable time, and not to assume any kind of mantle, I think the answer to your question is probably a resounding "no." RHN is a paid service and RH is pretty smart to conserve their bandwidth for their paying customers. FC customers will largely be the "freebie" base. There's no reason why their current rawhide support has to stop (i.e. the yum repo[s]), but I would imagine keeping rawhide out of RHN allows them to do some fairly fancy netfilter footwork, to ensure that RHN customers always trump us freeloaders. (No bitterness intended, I fully agree with them if this is the case.) Remember that your entitlements still get you patch support and enterprise-type management options that you simply don't have with Fedora Core. "Keeping [systems] up on the latest release" is not why you pay for entitlements; they give you support and/or management options you don't have otherwise. > I know they want me to buy RHEL, but I just can justify > that for mail gateways and dns servers... Then Fedora Core, along with the increasing number of yum/apt repositories, might serve you fine. Keep in mind the point of the Fedora Project, and its origins -- over time, it's probably reasonable to think Fedora Core relases could happen even faster than those under the Red Hat Linux banner. A review of the project site at http://fedora.redhat.com might be useful. Of course, only you can weigh the security repercussions of your decisions on your company's IT infrastructure. If you feel comfortable, given its mission and timetables, with using Fedora Core (or an older EOL Red Hat Linux product) in the capacities you describe, that's your prerogative. Remember that in terms of "free-of-cost" distros, Fedora Core and Red Hat Linux 9 are only two of many alternatives for someone who is a skilled and security-educated administrator. The entire foregoing is my $0.02 and is subject to your personal rate of exchange. :-) > maybe they could add a rawhide channel to RHN? See above, best of luck, and cheers. -- Paul W. Frields From michalz at olomouc.com Wed Oct 29 18:11:35 2003 From: michalz at olomouc.com (Michal Zeravik) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 19:11:35 +0100 Subject: rh9 vs. fedora In-Reply-To: References: <3F9CF84A.5010409@olomouc.com> <3F9CFE8D.5080307@olomouc.com> Message-ID: <3FA002D7.9040409@olomouc.com> thank you, I was affraided of that... michalz Mike A. Harris wrote: >On Mon, 27 Oct 2003, Michal Zeravik wrote: > > > >>Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 12:16:29 +0100 >>From: Michal Zeravik >>To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com >>Content-Type: multipart/alternative; >>boundary="------------040106090107030308080404" >>List-Id: For testers of Red Hat Linux beta releases >> >>Subject: Re: rh9 vs. fedora >> >>Originally I'm interested in audio/video processing. >>Using Alsa/Jack/Laddca in realtime needs that: >>http://jackit.sourceforge.net/docs/faq.php#q5 >>So you mean I can install sources of my current kernel (2.4.20-20-9) >>and build it on my own with what properties? >> >> > >Correct, that is how you would go about attempting to patch the >kernel and use it. The only way you can be guaranteed a patch >for anything will apply to a given source code tree or not >however (kernel or otherwise) is to use the source code that the >author of a given patch used to create their patch. The majority >of kernel patches out there are generated against Linus's >kernels, and so the only way you can be reasonably sure they will >apply to the kernel source is by using Linus's kernel source. > >If you apply a patch to the Red Hat kernel source, which is very >heavily modified, the patch may apply cleanly if it does not >overlap on any other areas of the kernel source which other >patches are already applying to. It might even apply cleanly >with a bit of fuzz factor. > >If you do get a patch to apply though, wether it applied cleanly, >with fuzz, or required re-engineering the patch to apply to the >Red Hat kernel, it may or may not work at all. It depends on if >the patch you're using relies on stuff from Linus's kernel to be >there which may have been changed or even heavily modified by the >Red Hat kernel's patch set. > >In short, the only way you can be sure any kernel patch will ever >apply to the kernel source tree you use, is to apply the patch to >the kernel source that the author of the patch used, or to become >kernel engineer for a day and port the patch to the kernel source >that you are using now. > >Hope this helps. > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From elwoo at videotron.ca Wed Oct 29 18:09:11 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 13:09:11 -0500 Subject: up2date hangs In-Reply-To: <000101c39e42$e72e0990$0f55fea9@homer> References: <000101c39e42$e72e0990$0f55fea9@homer> Message-ID: <200310291309.11298.elwoo@videotron.ca> On October 29, 2003 12:34 pm, Bernhard Harb , > wrote: > When I want to use up2date to get the newest rpms with FCT3 up2date > hangs when getting header of auth...1.4..gtk (something like that). > > Does anyone know how to get that working? Bill Nottingham just reported something to the effect that the site is not syncing, so some patience would be in order (posted under today's subject heading ---> Re: up2date Error [Was: Re: New fedora-release in rawhide] Best thing, put off up2date till sometime later today. (I myself am getting a *toothache* trying to get three packages... so I better take *my own* advice! <*chuckle*>) cheers, Elton ;-) -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From paul at frields.com Wed Oct 29 18:30:02 2003 From: paul at frields.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: 29 Oct 2003 13:30:02 -0500 Subject: no X after full upgrade from test3 to upgraded pkgs for test3 In-Reply-To: <20031029113229.A28117@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <20031029113229.A28117@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1067452202.7281.66.camel@london.east.gov> On Wed, 2003-10-29 at 11:32, Michael K. Johnson wrote: > > After a full upgrade this morning from older test3 to the newest > > stuff, I'm unable to startx or to boot to runlevel 5. > > XFREE pkgs were some of those updated and now consist of: [...snip...] > > I'm pretty sure there should be a bunch more from > > rpm -qa|grep XF > > You can get a log of what was on your machine before by looking > at /var/log/rpmpkgs (or one of the rotate versions). That can > help you track down what went missing. In an earlier posting I described an up2date failure where a truncated downloaded package file was not caught by the up2date client. up2date proceeded to perform the updates, and in the middle of one of the earlier upgrades terminated with a fatal error. This left a number of missing packages on the system which had been previously installed, as apparently has happened here. I'm not a Python programmer, but a review of the code in /usr/share/rhn/up2date_client shows that there is some sort of RPM MD5 checking functionality included, but it apparently doesn't use the payload. Perhaps the workflow there needs to be revisited to see if it would be appropriate to make a more rigorous check before up2date starts removing anything. Again, as before, I ask that someone check my logic and understanding of the facts or a larger situation here. -- Paul W. Frields From mharris at redhat.com Wed Oct 29 18:30:57 2003 From: mharris at redhat.com (Mike A. Harris) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 13:30:57 -0500 (EST) Subject: Help me to configure XF86Config for TV-out In-Reply-To: <200310281227.14706.alex@taipang.com> References: <200310281227.14706.alex@taipang.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 28 Oct 2003, Alor wrote: >Help me to configure XF86Config for display video on TV using tv-out of my >card. You haven't mentioned what video hardware you have. TVout is not supported in all video drivers, and in a particular driver that does support it, it is not necessarily supported on all hardware that the driver supports. Also, it is configured in a hardware dependant way on any drivers that do support it. You'll have to read the manual page for your driver and/or other XFree86 documentation. You may also wish to search Google (http://www.google.com), and to use xfree86 at xfree86.org where you're much more likely to find more direct help once people know what video chip you are using. Hope this helps. -- Mike A. Harris ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris OS Systems Engineer - XFree86 maintainer - Red Hat From mharris at redhat.com Wed Oct 29 18:34:52 2003 From: mharris at redhat.com (Mike A. Harris) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 13:34:52 -0500 (EST) Subject: State of multiple gfx cards support ? In-Reply-To: <01L2EAPQKTPU005BCN@rcum.uni-mb.si> References: <01L2EAPQKTPU005BCN@rcum.uni-mb.si> Message-ID: On Wed, 29 Oct 2003, DAVID BALAZIC wrote: >>>What is the status of multiple gfx card support ? >>>redhat-config-xfree86-0.9.15-1 only detects my radeon 8500LE AGP card, but >>>not the SiS 6326 PCI card. >> >>The config tool now can configure multihead on multihead cards. >>I don't know if it is working with multiple separate cards >>however. > >[snip] > >>Short story is, try it and if it works, great! If not, you're > >It does not work. > >Maybe my question was not clear enough. Here an improved version : > >Is redhat-config-xfree86 supposed to detect and configure >multiple gfx cards, or is that outside of its scope ? I think my above sentence answers that fairly clearly: "The config tool now can configure multihead on multihead cards. I don't know if it is working with multiple separate cards however." Meaning, I know Brent implemented multihead configuration for a single card with multiple heads. I do not believe that he implemented multihead configuration with multiple video cards yet. There is a huge difference in configuration between a multihead card, and multiple individual cards, or a combination of a multihead card plus another card, or multiple multihead cards. >>best off reporting multihead bugs like that to XFree86.org >>bugzilla at http://bugs.xfree86.org as each person's individual >>multihead configuration tends to be quite unique due to the >>complexity of variables involved. >> >>Hope this helps. > >Not much :-E) redhat-config-xfree86 is open source GPL licensed code. You're more than welcome to develop additional features/support that you would like to see in the tool, and submit patches which implement those features via bugzilla for consideration in future tool updates if you (or someone else) likes. We encourage people to participate in open source processes in this manner, and look forward to people's suggestions and contributions. Take care. -- Mike A. Harris ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris OS Systems Engineer - XFree86 maintainer - Red Hat From mharris at redhat.com Wed Oct 29 18:38:18 2003 From: mharris at redhat.com (Mike A. Harris) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 13:38:18 -0500 (EST) Subject: Xnest grabbing mouse In-Reply-To: <1067446190.2606.23.camel@dbxwsd21> References: <1067446190.2606.23.camel@dbxwsd21> Message-ID: On Wed, 29 Oct 2003, Will Backman wrote: >Running up2date XFree86-Xnest --nosig >Running under gnome. >Xnest :1& > >Gives me a windows that is smaller than full screen, which is ok. >If I maximize the window, the Xnest root window does not expand as >expected, but I am now unable to move the mouse outside the smaller >confines of the root window. Is this normal for Xnest? Yes. Also, that's not the most useful way to invoke Xnest either... Might want to use: startx -- $(which Xnest) :1 That starts up the actual desktop/wm/etc. -- Mike A. Harris ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris OS Systems Engineer - XFree86 maintainer - Red Hat From mharris at redhat.com Wed Oct 29 18:42:28 2003 From: mharris at redhat.com (Mike A. Harris) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 13:42:28 -0500 (EST) Subject: Help me to configure XF86Config for TV-out In-Reply-To: <200310291255.59978.elwoo@videotron.ca> References: <200310291255.59978.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: On Wed, 29 Oct 2003, Elton Woo wrote: >On October 29, 2003 11:01 am, Vanco, Don , <"Vanco, Don" >> wrote: >> Alor wrote: >> > Help me to configure XF86Config for display video on TV using tv-out > >> This list >> getting WAY too many support and OT threads going to keep up with it... I >> can appreciate the desire to get TV out working - but this list should not >> be the first place you stop to learn how to do so... > >Quite true. You have a very valid point. > >> I really wanna help with the Fedora stuff - but damn, 200 emails a >> day is really excessive when the signal-to-noise ratio starts to drop like > >Might I suggest the following: >1) Set your mailer to thread messages, that way you can simply skip over >subjects which don't interest you. >2) A better solution: get the list in digest form. >The former method might not really be so good, since some users are >obstinately inclined to top post, thereby confusing those who are new to >the list (*OR* googling for information). Others post either without any >subject line, or without changing the topic appropriately... > >Hopefully, this latter method will save both your time and the stress on >your nerves! Personally, the volume of these lists is way too high for me, and the S/N ratio is pretty bad. Many have commented both on-list, in IRC, and in private discussions similarly. Most people either skim subject lines, or just gang-delete mail I think unless they see something that interests them jump out. I use pine's threading (H) to view threads, then scan through them looking for XFree86/X or X related subjects and generally ignore almost all other emails myself. I'd like to set up a mail filter that searches the subject/body for certain keywords and filters the mails to folders for me while ignoring the bulk of the lists. Evolution's vfolders feature aparently is perfect for this, although I use pine myself. I might start using Evolution in the future, just for mailing lists alone, and use pine for regular mail. ;o) -- Mike A. Harris ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris OS Systems Engineer - XFree86 maintainer - Red Hat From jjramsey_6x9eq42 at yahoo.com Wed Oct 29 18:47:38 2003 From: jjramsey_6x9eq42 at yahoo.com (James J. Ramsey) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 10:47:38 -0800 (PST) Subject: Up2Date still having problems... In-Reply-To: <1067451067.7281.47.camel@london.east.gov> Message-ID: <20031029184738.26584.qmail@web10708.mail.yahoo.com> --- "Paul W. Frields" wrote: > On Wed, 2003-10-29 at 11:16, Josh McKenna wrote: > > p.s. - is there gonna be a channel on RHN for > Fedora Core > > when the general release is done? I blew $500 of > my > > employers money a month ago to buy enterprise > entitlements > > for RH9, and it feels like I've wasted the money > if I can't > > keep them up on the latest release... > > I know there are Red Hat employees on this list, but > to save their > valuable time, and not to assume any kind of mantle, > I think the answer > to your question is probably a resounding "no." RHN > is a paid service > and RH is pretty smart to conserve their bandwidth > for their paying > customers. RHN isn't totally a paid service; up through RH 9 a demo service was allowed (with the "price" being the filling out of surveys every 60 days). Of course, the paying customers got more bandwidth. If there is are no Fedora plans for a Fedora RHN, then rhn_applet and rhn_register should have not even made it to the first beta, let alone the third. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/ From whb at ceimaine.org Wed Oct 29 19:01:08 2003 From: whb at ceimaine.org (Will Backman) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 14:01:08 -0500 Subject: Xnest grabbing mouse In-Reply-To: References: <1067446190.2606.23.camel@dbxwsd21> Message-ID: <1067454068.1322.4.camel@dbxwsd21> I tried that way, but it fails because gnome says I am already running a session manager and quits. On Wed, 2003-10-29 at 13:38, Mike A. Harris wrote: > On Wed, 29 Oct 2003, Will Backman wrote: > > >Running up2date XFree86-Xnest --nosig > >Running under gnome. > >Xnest :1& > > > >Gives me a windows that is smaller than full screen, which is ok. > >If I maximize the window, the Xnest root window does not expand as > >expected, but I am now unable to move the mouse outside the smaller > >confines of the root window. Is this normal for Xnest? > > Yes. > > Also, that's not the most useful way to invoke Xnest either... > Might want to use: > > startx -- $(which Xnest) :1 > > That starts up the actual desktop/wm/etc. > From don.vanco at agilysys.com Wed Oct 29 19:07:50 2003 From: don.vanco at agilysys.com (Vanco, Don) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 14:07:50 -0500 Subject: signal-to-noise (was:RE: Help me to configure XF86Config for TV- out) Message-ID: Mike A. Harris wrote: > On Wed, 29 Oct 2003, Elton Woo wrote: > >> On October 29, 2003 11:01 am, Vanco, Don , <"Vanco, Don" >> > wrote: >>> Alor wrote: >>>> Help me to configure XF86Config for display video on TV using >>>> tv-out >> >>> This list >>> getting WAY too many support and OT threads going to keep up with >>> it... I can appreciate the desire to get TV out working - but this >>> list should not be the first place you stop to learn how to do so... >> >> Quite true. You have a very valid point. >> >>> I really wanna help with the Fedora stuff - but damn, 200 emails a >>> day is really excessive when the signal-to-noise ratio starts to >>> drop like >> >> Might I suggest the following: >> 1) Set your mailer to thread messages, that way you can simply skip >> over subjects which don't interest you. A valid suggestion - sadly my mail is handled via an Exchange network and I am forced to use Outlook during business hours (when I do most of my beta activity) - so there's no nice threading option for me....... >> 2) A better solution: get the list in digest form. Been there, tried that - there's still a considerable investment in time to look over the contents and try and determine what I need to look at on my system and what is static.... For a time the list (or the aforementioned MS email cr at p) was a bit psychotic in it's decision to send the digest as an attached "gang" of individual emails or as a true text digest... opening nested emails just to check their validity is a PITA I'm not willing to endure... >> Hopefully, this latter method will save both your time and the >> stress on your nerves! Don't get me wrong, I would not care if there were 200 posts a day on actual bug identification / resolution - it's just that the focus of this list is, at time, non-existent... I've been guilty at points in the past myself.... > Personally, the volume of these lists is way too high for me, and > the S/N ratio is pretty bad. Many have commented both on-list, > in IRC, and in private discussions similarly. Most people either > skim subject lines, or just gang-delete mail I think unless they > see something that interests them jump out. ..and this is my major issue. I resort to gang deletion, and then I run the risk of looking like a moron because I post for a known issue or only have a portion of a thread archived for reference.... > I use pine's threading (H) to view threads, then scan through > them looking for XFree86/X or X related subjects and generally > ignore almost all other emails myself. I'd like to set up a mail > filter that searches the subject/body for certain keywords and > filters the mails to folders for me while ignoring the bulk of the > lists. > > Evolution's vfolders feature aparently is perfect for this, > although I use pine myself. I might start using Evolution in the > future, just for mailing lists alone, and use pine for regular mail. Sadly, our corporate policy precludes me from using Linux (yet we sell a ton of it - go figure). Basically - I'm stuck looking at every email be it in single delivery form or digest. When I'm on dial-up (and it's slow in Hooterville) the volume of local processing the Exchange/Outlook combo does can make for some long sessions trying to help Fedora. Sure, I've only filed 3 bugs against Fedora - but only one of them was NOT unique.... I hope that things settle down here after this first release.... Don From leonardjo at hetnet.nl Wed Oct 29 19:11:12 2003 From: leonardjo at hetnet.nl (Leonard den Ottolander) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 20:11:12 +0100 Subject: Bugzilla not sending mail In-Reply-To: References: <3F9FE081.10739.1679A2@localhost> Message-ID: <3FA01EE0.17794.10A22FC@localhost> Hello Mattias, > No, the same thing has happened to me, with the priority set to normal. > > See http://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=107896 Thanks. I added myself to the CC list, but the same thing happened again: Changes submitted for bug 107896 Email sent to: no one Excluding: leonardjo at hetnet.nl, ... Duh. Bye, Leonard. -- How clean is a war when you shoot around nukelar waste? Stop the use of depleted uranium ammo! End all weapons of mass destruction. From jaap at haitsma.org Wed Oct 29 19:12:17 2003 From: jaap at haitsma.org (Jaap A. Haitsma) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 20:12:17 +0100 Subject: up2date hang In-Reply-To: <200310290939.35127.czar@czarc.net> References: <200310290939.35127.czar@czarc.net> Message-ID: <3FA01111.7070708@haitsma.org> Gene C. wrote: > I have noticed that up2date seems to "hang" if I select a log (eg, all) > updates to be downloaded/installed. The download is fine but when it gets to > the install there is some cpu usage but then everything drops to zero and > nothing happens. If I kill up2date and then select only a few packages, > everything seems to work fine. > > Anyone else notice this? Yes, exactly the same From bfox at redhat.com Wed Oct 29 19:22:01 2003 From: bfox at redhat.com (Brent Fox) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 14:22:01 -0500 Subject: will there be a tui user config In-Reply-To: <1067440268.2177.6.camel@dbxwsd21> References: <1067440268.2177.6.camel@dbxwsd21> Message-ID: <1067455320.29885.9.camel@bfox.devel.redhat.com> On Wed, 2003-10-29 at 10:11, Will Backman wrote: > Some of the redhat-config-* tools have a tui version. Any rumors of a > tui version of the user manager? It's the first request I've had for a TUI for redhat-config-users, so I have no plans for this at the moment. I had always imagined that the command line tools were good enough for those who didn't use the GUI. Maybe you can explain what you'd like to see from a TUI that the command line tools don't provide? Cheers, Brent From paul at frields.com Wed Oct 29 19:22:13 2003 From: paul at frields.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: 29 Oct 2003 14:22:13 -0500 Subject: Up2Date still having problems... In-Reply-To: <20031029184738.26584.qmail@web10708.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20031029184738.26584.qmail@web10708.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1067455333.7281.91.camel@london.east.gov> On Wed, 2003-10-29 at 13:47, James J. Ramsey wrote: > > > p.s. - is there gonna be a channel on RHN for > > Fedora Core > > > when the general release is done? I blew $500 of > > my > > > employers money a month ago to buy enterprise > > entitlements > > > for RH9, and it feels like I've wasted the money > > if I can't > > > keep them up on the latest release... > > > > I know there are Red Hat employees on this list, but > > to save their > > valuable time, and not to assume any kind of mantle, > > I think the answer > > to your question is probably a resounding "no." RHN > > is a paid service > > and RH is pretty smart to conserve their bandwidth > > for their paying > > customers. > > RHN isn't totally a paid service; up through RH 9 a > demo service was allowed (with the "price" being the > filling out of surveys every 60 days). Of course, the > paying customers got more bandwidth. > > If there is are no Fedora plans for a Fedora RHN, then > rhn_applet and rhn_register should have not even made > it to the first beta, let alone the third. First let me say that I got just a little muddled there. I actually use a Demo account for some RHL 9 boxes I have, also, and that should have occurred to me as I was writing. Nevertheless, rhn_applet as part of the overall up2date package isn't only useful for RHN enabled boxes. It works fine for clients on a local, isolated network I have at work, where I have to SneakerNet updates to a yum repo I use there; I simply remove the serverURL value and they get instant up2date goodness. As for rhn_register, since it also is part of the overall up2date package, there's no real reason for it to "go away" in FC just because those folks might not be using it. After all, the FC distro is the basis for RHEL, and it would take an unnecessary effort to remove it especially from FC. -- Paul W. Frields From pjain001 at covad.net Wed Oct 29 19:23:11 2003 From: pjain001 at covad.net (pjain001 at covad.net) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 14:23:11 -0500 (EST) Subject: gDesklets in Fedora Message-ID: <55326.63.161.116.194.1067455391@sun-qmail09.laserlink.net> Clifford, Thanks for the reply. I never installed gDesklets but after seeing your reply, I decided to download the source and give it a shot. I got the following errors when trying to compile: ----------------------- checking for gnome-python-2.0 >= 1.99.14 pygtk-2.0 >= 1.99.14 gdk-2.0 gtk+-2.0... Package pygtk-2.0 was not found in the pkg-config search path. Perhaps you should add the directory containing `pygtk-2.0.pc' to the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable No package 'pygtk-2.0' found configure: error: Library requirements (gnome-python-2.0 >= 1.99.14 pygtk-2.0 >= 1.99.14 gdk-2.0 gtk+-2.0) not met; consider adjusting the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable if your libraries are in a nonstandard prefix so pkg-config can find them. ----------------------- I'm running FCT3 and have all the packages completely up2date. These are the packages I have but I can't seem to find gdk-2.0 anywhere ( I'm assuming pygtk-2.0.pc is in this package b/c I can't find it on my system). Not even on the FCT3 ISOs or rawhide: gnome-python2-2.0.0-2 pygtk2-2.0.0-1 gdk-pixbuf-gnome-0.22.0-3.0 gdk-pixbuf-0.22.0-3.0 gtk+-1.2.10-28.1 pygtk2-libglade-2.0.0-1 gtk2-2.2.4-5.1 I hope installing at home is easier :-) Thanks again Pankaj -------------------- Original Message ------------------------- I have gDesklets running with both the SysInfo and hddtemp sensors. My system is fully up2date with the exception of the same couple of file that others are having problem with. Did you have gDesklets running before Fedora? It could be an installation issue. Installing gDesklets is pretty straight forward.=20 However, IMHO the gDesklets sensors installation documentation is not all that clear. From whooperhsd3 at earthlink.net Wed Oct 29 19:24:29 2003 From: whooperhsd3 at earthlink.net (William Hooper) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 14:24:29 -0500 (EST) Subject: Up2Date still having problems... In-Reply-To: <20031029184738.26584.qmail@web10708.mail.yahoo.com> References: <1067451067.7281.47.camel@london.east.gov> <20031029184738.26584.qmail@web10708.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2967.12.29.16.103.1067455469.squirrel@12.29.16.103> James J. Ramsey said: > If there is are no Fedora plans for a Fedora RHN, then > rhn_applet and rhn_register should have not even made > it to the first beta, let alone the third. rhn_applet can (and as shipped it Test 3 does, IIRC) look at yum repositories for updates. Looking in the archives gives the indication that at least for the first FC release it was planned to have a RHN channel for errata. I don't know if that has changed or not. -- William Hooper From shrek-m at gmx.de Wed Oct 29 19:25:57 2003 From: shrek-m at gmx.de (shrek-m at gmx.de) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 20:25:57 +0100 Subject: Bugzilla not sending mail In-Reply-To: <3FA01EE0.17794.10A22FC@localhost> References: <3F9FE081.10739.1679A2@localhost> <3FA01EE0.17794.10A22FC@localhost> Message-ID: <3FA01445.1040504@gmx.de> Leonard den Ottolander wrote: >Hello Mattias, > > > >>No, the same thing has happened to me, with the priority set to normal. >> >>See http://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=107896 >> >> > > Thanks. I added myself to the CC list, but the same thing happened again: > >Changes submitted for bug 107896 >Email sent to: no one >Excluding: leonardjo at hetnet.nl, ... > > > what are your settings in email-preferences ? https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/userprefs.cgi ?? Only email me reports of changes made by other people ?? -- shrek-m From thoffman at arnor.net Wed Oct 29 19:24:10 2003 From: thoffman at arnor.net (Torrey Hoffman) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 11:24:10 -0800 Subject: up2date Error [Was: Re: New fedora-release in rawhide] In-Reply-To: <20031029111630.F3611@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <3F9FD709.2050104@atl.lmco.com> <3F9FD9D1.8070904@fh-sbg.ac.at> <1067442304.7281.10.camel@london.east.gov> <3F9FE2CE.1070008@fh-sbg.ac.at> <3F9FE5F6.5070106@atl.lmco.com> <1067443966.2606.12.camel@dbxwsd21> <20031029111630.F3611@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1067455450.1119.2.camel@rivendell.arnor.net> On Wed, 2003-10-29 at 08:16, Bill Nottingham wrote: > Will Backman (whb at ceimaine.org) said: > > I'm also having trouble with the redhat-config-network packages. Me too. > Our sync processes got out of sync with each other. We'll get it > straightened out eventually today. I filed it in bugzilla, #108454... -- Torrey Hoffman From don.vanco at agilysys.com Wed Oct 29 19:30:31 2003 From: don.vanco at agilysys.com (Vanco, Don) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 14:30:31 -0500 Subject: will there be a tui user config Message-ID: Brent Fox wrote: > On Wed, 2003-10-29 at 10:11, Will Backman wrote: >> Some of the redhat-config-* tools have a tui version. Any rumors of >> a tui version of the user manager? > > It's the first request I've had for a TUI for > redhat-config-users, so I > have no plans for this at the moment. I had always imagined that the > command line tools were good enough for those who didn't use the GUI. > Maybe you can explain what you'd like to see from a TUI that > the command line tools don't provide? I know that it's probably a pretty dramatic bit of recoding in most cases, but I'd like to see TUI versions for _all_ the redhat-config* stuff (shudder - sudden flashback to linuxconf). The issue is that I get used to the GUI stuff (read: crutch - I'll admit it) and, well, forget bits and pieces of the command line stuff at times. That, coupled with the fact that the GUI tools are doing multiple tasks in many cases (like the network and user tools) make it attractive to me. In a way it's your fault - you guys have made the GUI tools too nice :) But worth the effort? Well, that's up to you guys @ RH or one of the masses now on Fedora to decide..... My $.02 Don From scott at eardown.com Wed Oct 29 19:30:15 2003 From: scott at eardown.com (Scott Ware) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 14:30:15 -0500 (EST) Subject: gDesklets in Fedora In-Reply-To: <55326.63.161.116.194.1067455391@sun-qmail09.laserlink.net> References: <55326.63.161.116.194.1067455391@sun-qmail09.laserlink.net> Message-ID: <53006.66.167.157.242.1067455815.squirrel@www.eardown.com> > Clifford, > Thanks for the reply. I never installed gDesklets but after seeing your > reply, I decided to download the source and give it a shot. I got the > following errors when trying to compile: > > ----------------------- > > checking for gnome-python-2.0 >= 1.99.14 pygtk-2.0 >= 1.99.14 gdk-2.0 > gtk+-2.0... Package pygtk-2.0 was not found in the pkg-config search path. > Perhaps you should add the directory containing `pygtk-2.0.pc' > to the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable > No package 'pygtk-2.0' found > > configure: error: Library requirements (gnome-python-2.0 >= 1.99.14 > pygtk-2.0 >= 1.99.14 gdk-2.0 gtk+-2.0) not met; consider adjusting the > PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable if your libraries are in a > nonstandard prefix so pkg-config can find them. > > ----------------------- > > I'm running FCT3 and have all the packages completely up2date. These are > the packages I have but I can't seem to find gdk-2.0 anywhere ( I'm > assuming pygtk-2.0.pc is in this package b/c I can't find it on my > system). Not even on the FCT3 ISOs or rawhide: > > gnome-python2-2.0.0-2 > pygtk2-2.0.0-1 > gdk-pixbuf-gnome-0.22.0-3.0 > gdk-pixbuf-0.22.0-3.0 > gtk+-1.2.10-28.1 > pygtk2-libglade-2.0.0-1 > gtk2-2.2.4-5.1 > > I hope installing at home is easier :-) > > Thanks again > Pankaj > > -------------------- Original Message ------------------------- > I have gDesklets running with both the SysInfo and hddtemp sensors. My > system is fully up2date with the exception of the same couple of file > that others are having problem with. > > Did you have gDesklets running before Fedora? It could be an > installation issue. Installing gDesklets is pretty straight forward.=20 > However, IMHO the gDesklets sensors installation documentation is not > all that clear. > > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > This is brobably a dump reply, but do you have your PKG_CONFIG_PATH variable set to /usr/lib/pkgconfig and /usr/local/lib/pkgconfig? Also, have you tried running pkg-config --list-all to see if they show up, and what's missing? From leonardjo at hetnet.nl Wed Oct 29 19:34:41 2003 From: leonardjo at hetnet.nl (Leonard den Ottolander) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 20:34:41 +0100 Subject: Bugzilla not sending mail In-Reply-To: <3FA01445.1040504@gmx.de> References: <3FA01EE0.17794.10A22FC@localhost> Message-ID: <3FA02461.29039.11FA3E8@localhost> Hi Shrek, > >Changes submitted for bug 107896 > >Email sent to: no one > >Excluding: leonardjo at hetnet.nl, ... > > what are your settings in email-preferences ? > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/userprefs.cgi No, everything is set. I did not change anything. Note the ... in the excluding line. I didn't feel like including all mentioned email addresses, but as you can see email is sent to no one. If you have a look at the bug report it seems more people are experiencing this problem. Bye, Leonard. -- How clean is a war when you shoot around nukelar waste? Stop the use of depleted uranium ammo! End all weapons of mass destruction. From ms-nospam-0306 at arcor.de Wed Oct 29 19:35:46 2003 From: ms-nospam-0306 at arcor.de (Michael Schwendt) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 20:35:46 +0100 Subject: gDesklets in Fedora In-Reply-To: <55326.63.161.116.194.1067455391@sun-qmail09.laserlink.net> References: <55326.63.161.116.194.1067455391@sun-qmail09.laserlink.net> Message-ID: <20031029203546.1df6791c.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de> On Wed, 29 Oct 2003 14:23:11 -0500 (EST), pjain001 at covad.net wrote: > Clifford, > Thanks for the reply. I never installed gDesklets but after seeing your > reply, I decided to download the source and give it a shot. I got the > following errors when trying to compile: > > ----------------------- > > checking for gnome-python-2.0 >= 1.99.14 pygtk-2.0 >= 1.99.14 gdk-2.0 > gtk+-2.0... Package pygtk-2.0 was not found in the pkg-config search path. > Perhaps you should add the directory containing `pygtk-2.0.pc' > to the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable > No package 'pygtk-2.0' found > > configure: error: Library requirements (gnome-python-2.0 >= 1.99.14 > pygtk-2.0 >= 1.99.14 gdk-2.0 gtk+-2.0) not met; consider adjusting the > PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable if your libraries are in a > nonstandard prefix so pkg-config can find them. > > ----------------------- > > I'm running FCT3 and have all the packages completely up2date. These are > the packages I have but I can't seem to find gdk-2.0 anywhere ( I'm > assuming pygtk-2.0.pc is in this package b/c I can't find it on my > system). Not even on the FCT3 ISOs or rawhide: It's in package pygtk2-devel, hence the name of the pkgconfig file (/usr/lib/pkgconfig/pygtk-2.0.pc). > gnome-python2-2.0.0-2 > pygtk2-2.0.0-1 > gdk-pixbuf-gnome-0.22.0-3.0 > gdk-pixbuf-0.22.0-3.0 > gtk+-1.2.10-28.1 > pygtk2-libglade-2.0.0-1 > gtk2-2.2.4-5.1 > > I hope installing at home is easier :-) -- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From kms at passback.co.uk Wed Oct 29 19:37:25 2003 From: kms at passback.co.uk (Keith Sharp) Date: 29 Oct 2003 19:37:25 +0000 Subject: State of multiple gfx cards support ? In-Reply-To: <20031028200852.GB18487@redhat.com> References: <01L2DC9834K2004SHX@rcum.uni-mb.si> <20031028200852.GB18487@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1067456244.4188.4.camel@animal> On Tue, 2003-10-28 at 20:08, Dave Jones wrote: > Incidentally, is anyone else with a dual head Matrox (G450/G550) > seeing X completely ignore the Xinerama option, and clone the > screen on both heads ? > > I've been fighting X the last few days trying to coerce it into > spanning both heads without much success. Works fine here (Red Hat 9, XFree86-4.3.0-2). I've attached my XF86Config. Note I'm using two identical monitors (Iiyama LCD Panels). I do see the strange cloning when X isn't running, but that's not really a problem :-) Keith. -------------- next part -------------- An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: XF86Config URL: From paul at frields.com Wed Oct 29 19:42:54 2003 From: paul at frields.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: 29 Oct 2003 14:42:54 -0500 Subject: Up2Date still having problems... In-Reply-To: <2967.12.29.16.103.1067455469.squirrel@12.29.16.103> References: <1067451067.7281.47.camel@london.east.gov> <20031029184738.26584.qmail@web10708.mail.yahoo.com> <2967.12.29.16.103.1067455469.squirrel@12.29.16.103> Message-ID: <1067456574.7281.96.camel@london.east.gov> On Wed, 2003-10-29 at 14:24, William Hooper wrote: > Looking in the archives gives the indication that at least for the first > FC release it was planned to have a RHN channel for errata. I don't know > if that has changed or not. It might be interesting here to note that RHN had channels for FC-0.93 and FC-0.94 (under one name or another), but none for FC-0.95 -- this was obviated by the availability of the HTTP rawhide yum repo. In any case, I would call all this conjecture moot because as long as one can rsync the updates and create the yum headers oneself, there's no point in expecting Red Hat to fill that need. Certainly many other intrepid and charitable folks already have and will continue to do so. Once again, they've given us all the tools we need to take up the banner, so to speak. -- Paul W. Frields From pjain001 at covad.net Wed Oct 29 19:45:24 2003 From: pjain001 at covad.net (pjain001 at covad.net) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 14:45:24 -0500 (EST) Subject: (no subject) Message-ID: <37109.63.161.116.194.1067456724@sun-qmail01.laserlink.net> Scott, I think installing pygtk2-devel got me one step further. Now, I'm getting complaints about gobject not being on the PKG_CONFIG_PATH. I'll keep digging. Thanks veyr much for the clue. Pankaj > This is brobably a dump reply, but do you have your PKG_CONFIG_PATH > variable set to /usr/lib/pkgconfig and /usr/local/lib/pkgconfig? Also, > have you tried running pkg-config --list-all to see if they show up, and > what's missing? From pjain001 at covad.net Wed Oct 29 19:45:39 2003 From: pjain001 at covad.net (pjain001 at covad.net) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 14:45:39 -0500 (EST) Subject: gDesklets in Fedora Message-ID: <37157.63.161.116.194.1067456739@sun-qmail14.laserlink.net> Scott, I think installing pygtk2-devel got me one step further. Now, I'm getting complaints about gobject not being on the PKG_CONFIG_PATH. I'll keep digging. Thanks veyr much for the clue. Pankaj > This is brobably a dump reply, but do you have your PKG_CONFIG_PATH > variable set to /usr/lib/pkgconfig and /usr/local/lib/pkgconfig? Also, > have you tried running pkg-config --list-all to see if they show up, and > what's missing? From daniel-wittenberg at starken.com Wed Oct 29 19:52:55 2003 From: daniel-wittenberg at starken.com (Daniel Wittenberg) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 13:52:55 -0600 Subject: [FEDORA] Re: rhgb/graphical boot questions In-Reply-To: <1067416161.29092.1.camel@home-04019.b.astral.ro> References: <1067413366.25074.1.camel@hawk.wittenberg.org> <1067416161.29092.1.camel@home-04019.b.astral.ro> Message-ID: <1067457175.2050.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> Yuck, that's very ugly. They should have something /etc/rhgb.d/gdm or something in the rc, or a different way to do this to make it more moduler so third-party software developers can update their own stuff. Dan On Wed, 2003-10-29 at 02:29, Razvan Corneliu C.R. "d3vi1" VILT wrote: > On Wed, 2003-10-29 at 09:42, Daniel Wittenberg wrote: > > I just applied the updates since about Wed/Thursday, and the graphical > > boot no longer works. I didn't see anything on this list about it, so > > ideas? Still configured the same as it was, just doesn't work. > > > > Also, when you see the messages "Starting network services..." where > > does that "pretty message" come from? I've got a couple custom apps I'd > > like to have them print a nicer message. > > > IF you look in the rhgb sources in src/main.c you have: > > ServiceMapping service_list[] = > { > {"RCclock", N_("Setting up system clock")}, > {"RChostname", N_("Setting the hostname")}, > {"RCmountfs", N_("Setting up local disks")}, > {"random", N_("Starting random number generator")}, > {"gpm", N_("Starting console mouse services")}, > {"kudzu", N_("Probing for new hardware")}, > {"pcmcia", N_("Starting PCMCIA card services")}, > {"iptables", N_("Starting firewall")}, > {"ipchains", N_("Starting firewall")}, > {"apmd", N_("Starting power management services")}, > {"cups", N_("Starting printing system")}, > {"isdn", N_("Starting isdn")}, > {"network", N_("Starting networking")}, > {"sshd", N_("Starting sshd")}, > {"ntpd", N_("Starting time server")}, > {"rhnsd", N_("Starting Red Hat Network support")}, > {"sendmail", N_("Starting E-Mail transport")}, > {"spamassassin", N_("Starting E-Mail spam filter system")}, > {"firstboot", N_("Starting first-time boot configuration")}, > }; > > > Thanks, > > Dan > > > > > > > > -- > > fedora-test-list mailing list > > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list -- ============================= Daniel Wittenberg RHCE+AS/IBM Certified Specialist President/CTO The Starken Group http://www.starken.com From hoyt at cavtel.net Wed Oct 29 15:00:17 2003 From: hoyt at cavtel.net (HoytDuff) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 15:00:17 +0000 Subject: State of multiple gfx cards support ? In-Reply-To: References: <01L2EAPQKTPU005BCN@rcum.uni-mb.si> Message-ID: <200310291500.17122.hoyt@cavtel.net> On Wednesday 29 October 2003 06:34 pm, Mike A. Harris wrote: > Meaning, I know Brent implemented multihead > configuration for a single card with multiple heads. I do not > believe that he implemented multihead configuration with multiple > video cards yet. There is a huge difference in configuration > between a multihead card, and multiple individual cards, or a > combination of a multihead card plus another card, or multiple > multihead cards. It would not configure my nVidia AGP/PCI combo at all. Mandrake will configure it flawlessly, so he may want to look at their code. -- Hoyt From bcs at metacon.ca Wed Oct 29 20:01:03 2003 From: bcs at metacon.ca (Ben Steeves) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 16:01:03 -0400 Subject: will there be a tui user config In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1067457663.29672.102.camel@zephyr> On Wed, 2003-10-29 at 15:30, Vanco, Don wrote: > The issue is that I get used to > the GUI stuff (read: crutch - I'll admit it) and, well, forget bits and > pieces of the command line stuff at times. This just made me think of something. I don't know how many of you are familiar with AIX, but it has a very nice sysadmin tool called "SMIT" which is kinda-sorta like the redhat-config-* applications. One thing I always liked about SMIT was that if you needed it (or were just curious), you could ask it to display the equivalent command-line for whatever you'd just done through the GUI. If I were to RFE this in Bugzilla, do you think it'd have a chance of ever being implemented in redhat-config-* ? I think it'd be especially helpful for budding sysadmins. -- Ben Steeves _ bcs at metacon.ca The ASCII ribbon campaign ( ) ben.steeves at unb.ca against HTML e-mail X GPG ID: 0xB3EBF1D9 http://www.metacon.ca/ascii / \ Yahoo Messenger: ben_steeves From bfox at redhat.com Wed Oct 29 20:08:58 2003 From: bfox at redhat.com (Brent Fox) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 15:08:58 -0500 Subject: will there be a tui user config In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1067458137.29885.20.camel@bfox.devel.redhat.com> On Wed, 2003-10-29 at 14:30, Vanco, Don wrote: > I know that it's probably a pretty dramatic bit of recoding in most > cases, but I'd like to see TUI versions for _all_ the redhat-config* stuff > (shudder - sudden flashback to linuxconf). It wouldn't be too bad from a coding perspective. Most of the tools that I've worked on have a relatively clean line between the backend that contains all the intelligence and a GUI front end. The idea was that we could write other kinds of interfaces in the future without rewriting the entire tool. We concentrated on GUIs for the most part because that's what we felt was needed by the widest audience. Now that we have a decent set of GUI tools, maybe we can come back and look at doing TUIs for some of the tools that don't have them. I've been working on a TUI for firstboot for Fedora Core 2, so there will need to be a TUI to create users. I don't know about creating a TUI equivalent of all the things that redhat-config-users allows, but maybe there's a subset that would make sense to do. Cheers, Brent > The issue is that I get used to > the GUI stuff (read: crutch - I'll admit it) and, well, forget bits and > pieces of the command line stuff at times. That, coupled with the fact that > the GUI tools are doing multiple tasks in many cases (like the network and > user tools) make it attractive to me. In a way it's your fault - you guys > have made the GUI tools too nice :) > But worth the effort? Well, that's up to you guys @ RH or one of > the masses now on Fedora to decide..... > > My $.02 > Don > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From bfox at redhat.com Wed Oct 29 20:12:49 2003 From: bfox at redhat.com (Brent Fox) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 15:12:49 -0500 Subject: will there be a tui user config In-Reply-To: <1067457663.29672.102.camel@zephyr> References: <1067457663.29672.102.camel@zephyr> Message-ID: <1067458368.29885.24.camel@bfox.devel.redhat.com> On Wed, 2003-10-29 at 15:01, Ben Steeves wrote: > On Wed, 2003-10-29 at 15:30, Vanco, Don wrote: > > The issue is that I get used to > > the GUI stuff (read: crutch - I'll admit it) and, well, forget bits and > > pieces of the command line stuff at times. > > This just made me think of something. I don't know how many of you are > familiar with AIX, but it has a very nice sysadmin tool called "SMIT" > which is kinda-sorta like the redhat-config-* applications. One thing I > always liked about SMIT was that if you needed it (or were just > curious), you could ask it to display the equivalent command-line for > whatever you'd just done through the GUI. > > If I were to RFE this in Bugzilla, do you think it'd have a chance of > ever being implemented in redhat-config-* ? I think it'd be especially > helpful for budding sysadmins. Hmm...I don't know. It's not the sort of thing I'd like to expose non-sysadmin users to, but I can understand how it would be useful as a teaching tool. How did SMIT expose this option in the user interface? Cheers, Brent From thoffman at arnor.net Wed Oct 29 20:11:24 2003 From: thoffman at arnor.net (Torrey Hoffman) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 12:11:24 -0800 Subject: Urgent testing request for openoffice.org-1.1.0-4.4 In-Reply-To: <20031029062535.A2097@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <20031029062535.A2097@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1067458283.1119.7.camel@rivendell.arnor.net> On Wed, 2003-10-29 at 03:25, Jakub Jelinek wrote: > Hi! > > ftp://people.redhat.com/jakub/openoffice.org/ > is another release of OO.o rpms with improved startup speed. > Please test as much as possible (if there are enough success reports Starts and runs fine here on my system, (test3, fully up2date on a dual PIII, 512 MB RAM, custom 2.6-test9 kernel), tested for an hour so far. I'll be using the word processor for the rest of the day and will report back if anything is broken. -- Torrey Hoffman From bball at tux.org Wed Oct 29 20:20:40 2003 From: bball at tux.org (billy ball) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 15:20:40 -0500 (EST) Subject: redhat-config-httpd broken? Message-ID: - hi all... good work so far on Fedora! - i get: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/share/redhat-config-httpd/ApacheConf.py", line 50, in ? import ApacheGizmo File "/usr/share/redhat-config-httpd/ApacheGizmo.py", line 36, in ? import ApacheBase File "/usr/share/redhat-config-httpd/ApacheBase.py", line 9, in ? from xml.xslt.Processor import Processor ImportError: No module named xslt.Processor - using Fedora Core beta 3... requisite packages and latest packages seem to be installed... perhaps i missed something? - tia! From mharris at redhat.com Wed Oct 29 20:22:38 2003 From: mharris at redhat.com (Mike A. Harris) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 15:22:38 -0500 (EST) Subject: Xnest grabbing mouse In-Reply-To: <1067454068.1322.4.camel@dbxwsd21> References: <1067446190.2606.23.camel@dbxwsd21> <1067454068.1322.4.camel@dbxwsd21> Message-ID: On Wed, 29 Oct 2003, Will Backman wrote: >Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 14:01:08 -0500 >From: Will Backman >To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com >Content-Type: text/plain >List-Id: For testers of Red Hat Linux beta releases > >Subject: Re: Xnest grabbing mouse > >I tried that way, but it fails because gnome says I am already running a >session manager and quits. Then GNOME is broken. File a bug report. Please reply to postings below the message of context. -- Mike A. Harris ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris OS Systems Engineer - XFree86 maintainer - Red Hat From barryn at pobox.com Wed Oct 29 20:23:13 2003 From: barryn at pobox.com (Barry K. Nathan) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 12:23:13 -0800 Subject: 100% reproducible "freeze"(?) bug in RPM 4.2.1-0.30, 4.2.1-4.2 Message-ID: <20031029202313.GC26100@ip68-4-255-84.oc.oc.cox.net> (Sorry about all the crossposting, but with the Fedora Core 1 release so close, I figure I should take the chance...) https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=108456 It's bug 108456 is bugzilla. Basically, RPM seems to be misinterpreting an HTML document with a .rpm extension as a list of files (packages to install?). Moreover, when it encounters a package name (if you will) that starts with a dash, it tries to read data in from stdin. Of course, the user isn't typing anything in -- (s)he's just waiting for RPM to finish its business... I think I've made about as much progress today as I'm going to make; I highly doubt I'll be able to have any kind of patch developed today. I'm posting about this bug in case anyone else wants to take a look at this and possibly develop a patch. -Barry K. Nathan From bcs at metacon.ca Wed Oct 29 20:26:27 2003 From: bcs at metacon.ca (Ben Steeves) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 16:26:27 -0400 Subject: will there be a tui user config In-Reply-To: <1067458368.29885.24.camel@bfox.devel.redhat.com> References: <1067457663.29672.102.camel@zephyr> <1067458368.29885.24.camel@bfox.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1067459187.29672.127.camel@zephyr> On Wed, 2003-10-29 at 16:12, Brent Fox wrote: > On Wed, 2003-10-29 at 15:01, Ben Steeves wrote: > > you could ask it to display the equivalent command-line for > > whatever you'd just done through the GUI. > > > Hmm...I don't know. It's not the sort of thing I'd like to expose > non-sysadmin users to, but I can understand how it would be useful as a > teaching tool. How did SMIT expose this option in the user interface? I normally used smitty (the TTY version of SMIT), in which it was mapped to a function key. In the graphical version, it was a button labelled "Command". The nearest equivalent keeping in-line with the UI of the redhat-config-* tools would probably be a window tab. Perhaps one that's only visible when running with root privileges, and/or toggled by a setting somewhere. Mind you, SMIT's implementation wasn't perfect. Since the commands were built programmatically (SMIT is essentially a front end that runs the appropriate commands (or scripts)), they were sometimes less than optimal or needlessly pedantic (putting in parameters for flags that would be assumed as defaults, that sort of thing). Still, it was very reassuring (for a seasoned sysadmin because you knew exactly what was going on, and for a newbie because you could learn). -- Ben Steeves _ bcs at metacon.ca The ASCII ribbon campaign ( ) ben.steeves at unb.ca against HTML e-mail X GPG ID: 0xB3EBF1D9 http://www.metacon.ca/ascii / \ Yahoo Messenger: ben_steeves From bfox at redhat.com Wed Oct 29 20:27:43 2003 From: bfox at redhat.com (Brent Fox) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 15:27:43 -0500 Subject: State of multiple gfx cards support ? In-Reply-To: <200310291500.17122.hoyt@cavtel.net> References: <01L2EAPQKTPU005BCN@rcum.uni-mb.si> <200310291500.17122.hoyt@cavtel.net> Message-ID: <1067459263.29885.26.camel@bfox.devel.redhat.com> On Wed, 2003-10-29 at 10:00, HoytDuff wrote: > On Wednesday 29 October 2003 06:34 pm, Mike A. Harris wrote: > > Meaning, I know Brent implemented multihead > > configuration for a single card with multiple heads. I do not > > believe that he implemented multihead configuration with multiple > > video cards yet. There is a huge difference in configuration > > between a multihead card, and multiple individual cards, or a > > combination of a multihead card plus another card, or multiple > > multihead cards. > > It would not configure my nVidia AGP/PCI combo at all. Mandrake will configure > it flawlessly, so he may want to look at their code. Can you provide more information about your setup? Cheers, Brent From mbrodeur+rhlp at NextTime.com Wed Oct 29 20:31:39 2003 From: mbrodeur+rhlp at NextTime.com (Matt Brodeur) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 15:31:39 -0500 Subject: will there be a tui user config In-Reply-To: <1067457663.29672.102.camel@zephyr> References: <1067457663.29672.102.camel@zephyr> Message-ID: <20031029203139.GA6931@perhaps.nexttime.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: msg.pgp URL: From otaylor at redhat.com Wed Oct 29 20:47:00 2003 From: otaylor at redhat.com (Owen Taylor) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 15:47:00 -0500 Subject: Xnest grabbing mouse In-Reply-To: References: <1067446190.2606.23.camel@dbxwsd21> <1067454068.1322.4.camel@dbxwsd21> Message-ID: <1067460420.13881.70.camel@poincare.devel.redhat.com> On Wed, 2003-10-29 at 15:22, Mike A. Harris wrote: > On Wed, 29 Oct 2003, Will Backman wrote: > > > >I tried that way, but it fails because gnome says I am already running a > >session manager and quits. > > Then GNOME is broken. File a bug report. I don't really think that is the case; if anything startx perhaps should be clearing the environment variables. But gdmflexiserver -n is much nicer anyways if you want a Xnested desktop. Regards, Owen From jjramsey_6x9eq42 at yahoo.com Wed Oct 29 21:32:28 2003 From: jjramsey_6x9eq42 at yahoo.com (James J. Ramsey) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 13:32:28 -0800 (PST) Subject: Up2Date still having problems... In-Reply-To: <1067456574.7281.96.camel@london.east.gov> Message-ID: <20031029213228.43509.qmail@web10703.mail.yahoo.com> --- "Paul W. Frields" wrote: > On Wed, 2003-10-29 at 14:24, William Hooper wrote: > > Looking in the archives gives the indication that > at least for the first > > FC release it was planned to have a RHN channel > for errata. I don't know > > if that has changed or not. > > It might be interesting here to note that RHN had > channels for FC-0.93 > and FC-0.94 (under one name or another), but none > for FC-0.95 -- this > was obviated by the availability of the HTTP rawhide > yum repo. Rawhide is good for updating betas, but terrible as a repository for stable updates. I hope there is at least some way of getting ordinary straight-up security updates, whether via RHN or a YUM channel. What I wonder is how come the blue checkmark in the RHN applet never turns red when updates are available? __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/ From johnsonm at redhat.com Wed Oct 29 21:43:16 2003 From: johnsonm at redhat.com (Michael K. Johnson) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 16:43:16 -0500 Subject: will there be a tui user config In-Reply-To: <1067459187.29672.127.camel@zephyr>; from bcs@metacon.ca on Wed, Oct 29, 2003 at 04:26:27PM -0400 References: <1067457663.29672.102.camel@zephyr> <1067458368.29885.24.camel@bfox.devel.redhat.com> <1067459187.29672.127.camel@zephyr> Message-ID: <20031029164316.A21824@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Wed, Oct 29, 2003 at 04:26:27PM -0400, Ben Steeves wrote: > Mind you, SMIT's implementation wasn't perfect. Since the commands were > built programmatically (SMIT is essentially a front end that runs the > appropriate commands (or scripts)), they were sometimes less than > optimal or needlessly pedantic (putting in parameters for flags that > would be assumed as defaults, that sort of thing). Still, it was very > reassuring (for a seasoned sysadmin because you knew exactly what was > going on, and for a newbie because you could learn). I think that the fact that SMIT had to do this was an indication that the whole configuration process was wrongheaded from the start in AIX. I have always felt that keeping a database and then overwriting a set of functionally write-only config files was the worst combination of possibilities available. (Yes, I was an AIX admin at one time, I'm not just spouting off.) But then, I don't write config tools for Red Hat any more, that was my old job back when I re-wrote netconfig for the first time. :-) michaelkjohnson "He that composes himself is wiser than he that composes a book." Linux Application Development -- Ben Franklin http://people.redhat.com/johnsonm/lad/ From tegner at nada.kth.se Wed Oct 29 21:47:10 2003 From: tegner at nada.kth.se (Jon Tegner) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 22:47:10 +0100 Subject: Installation of x86_64 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3FA0355E.1040006@nada.kth.se> How do I do to install the rawhide x86_64 tree on an opteron? I can't seem to find any boot-images on the x86_64 tree? Would it be possible to use the i386-fedora distribution when installing, and then upgrading to the x86_64 tree under rawhide? Thanks, /j From Axel.Thimm at physik.fu-berlin.de Wed Oct 29 21:55:09 2003 From: Axel.Thimm at physik.fu-berlin.de (Axel Thimm) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 22:55:09 +0100 Subject: The birds connection (was: New fedora-release in rawhide) In-Reply-To: <1067445396.2581.11.camel@ixion.colorado.edu> References: <1067445396.2581.11.camel@ixion.colorado.edu> Message-ID: <20031029215509.GD5225@puariko.nirvana> On Wed, Oct 29, 2003 at 09:36:36AM -0700, The Matt wrote: > On Wed, 2003-10-29 at 07:50, Elliot Lee wrote: > > On Wed, 29 Oct 2003, Doug Stewart wrote: > > > I noticed that, upon running up2date this morning, it was > > > prompting me to upgrade fedora-relase to 1-1 (over 0.95). [...] > Well, I in my idiocy didn't skip it. I meant to just download it > (too look at what had changed), but instead installed it. So, I'll > let the list know if I screwed up anything. At least you get to see the new codename for the release. ;) Anyone care to fill the explanation gaps in http://freshrpms.net/misc/redhat-releases/index.html?explain=on and send them to Matthias? -- Axel.Thimm at physik.fu-berlin.de -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From johnsonm at redhat.com Wed Oct 29 22:23:12 2003 From: johnsonm at redhat.com (Michael K. Johnson) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 17:23:12 -0500 Subject: Installation of x86_64 In-Reply-To: <3FA0355E.1040006@nada.kth.se>; from tegner@nada.kth.se on Wed, Oct 29, 2003 at 10:47:10PM +0100 References: <3FA0355E.1040006@nada.kth.se> Message-ID: <20031029172312.A27721@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Wed, Oct 29, 2003 at 10:47:10PM +0100, Jon Tegner wrote: > How do I do to install the rawhide x86_64 tree on an opteron? > > I can't seem to find any boot-images on the x86_64 tree? Would it be > possible to use the i386-fedora distribution when installing, and then > upgrading to the x86_64 tree under rawhide? The BIG missing piece right now is the kernel... michaelkjohnson "He that composes himself is wiser than he that composes a book." Linux Application Development -- Ben Franklin http://people.redhat.com/johnsonm/lad/ From paul at frields.com Wed Oct 29 22:36:04 2003 From: paul at frields.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 17:36:04 -0500 Subject: Up2Date still having problems... In-Reply-To: <20031029213228.43509.qmail@web10703.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20031029213228.43509.qmail@web10703.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1067466964.2413.2.camel@bettie.internal.frields.org> On Wed, 2003-10-29 at 16:32, James J. Ramsey wrote: > Rawhide is good for updating betas, but terrible as a > repository for stable updates. I hope there is at > least some way of getting ordinary straight-up > security updates, whether via RHN or a YUM channel. Like I mentioned, you should expect the fedora.us site and many others to carry this sort of thing, probably Red Hat too for that matter. It may not be part of RHN though; just a yum repository (and/or apt). > What I wonder is how come the blue checkmark in the > RHN applet never turns red when updates are available? Must be a local configuration problem on your end; mine works fine on my net-connected testing box. Have you checked your /etc/sysconfig/rhn/sources? Check the archive for hints if necessary. Cheers, -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE From mark at mark.mielke.cc Wed Oct 29 22:52:18 2003 From: mark at mark.mielke.cc (Mark Mielke) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 17:52:18 -0500 Subject: VNC + local X session causes problem with GNOME panel applets In-Reply-To: <20031027233012.GO2229@redhat.com> References: <20031027180914.GA26135@mark.mielke.cc> <20031027233012.GO2229@redhat.com> Message-ID: <20031029225217.GA6417@mark.mielke.cc> On Mon, Oct 27, 2003 at 11:30:12PM +0000, Tim Waugh wrote: > On Mon, Oct 27, 2003 at 01:09:14PM -0500, Mark Mielke wrote: > > If I create a VNC session that is running GNOME, and then login to a local > > X session, the GNOME panel applets all (or most) refuse to come up in the > > local X session (and vice versa, if started in reverse). > Stick 'unset SESSION_MANAGER' in .vnc/xstartup? > Here is mine: > #!/bin/sh > unset SESSION_MANAGER > exec ssh-agent /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc I finally had time to try this. It did not work. I suspect gnome-session as started from xinitrc is defining its own SESSION_MANAGER variable before starting the other applications, including the panel. mark -- mark at mielke.cc/markm at ncf.ca/markm at nortelnetworks.com __________________________ . . _ ._ . . .__ . . ._. .__ . . . .__ | Neighbourhood Coder |\/| |_| |_| |/ |_ |\/| | |_ | |/ |_ | | | | | | \ | \ |__ . | | .|. |__ |__ | \ |__ | Ottawa, Ontario, Canada One ring to rule them all, one ring to find them, one ring to bring them all and in the darkness bind them... http://mark.mielke.cc/ From kawisan at telus.net Wed Oct 29 23:03:27 2003 From: kawisan at telus.net (ryan) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 16:03:27 -0700 Subject: host blocking on ftp.redhat.com? In-Reply-To: <1067447340.4361.2.camel@dakota.kawisan.com> References: <1067447340.4361.2.camel@dakota.kawisan.com> Message-ID: <1067468607.4207.5.camel@dakota.kawisan.com> really hoping someone can offer insight. i just changed to my fourth IP because i'm having to do the one-by-one up2date process (hang issue on 'check dependencies' when selecting many packages at once) it worked up to about 10 minutes ago, but now ftp.redhat.com (rawhide) is not responding to any syn's from me when up2date goes to grab the header.info file. 35.700275 142.59.19.69 -> 66.187.224.51 TCP 35764 > http [SYN] Seq=1481498168 Ack=0 Win=5840 Len=0 38.698973 142.59.19.69 -> 66.187.224.51 TCP 35764 > http [SYN] Seq=1481498168 Ack=0 Win=5840 Len=0 44.698878 142.59.19.69 -> 66.187.224.51 TCP 35764 > http [SYN] Seq=1481498168 Ack=0 Win=5840 Len=0 56.698724 142.59.19.69 -> 66.187.224.51 TCP 35764 > http [SYN] Seq=1481498168 Ack=0 Win=5840 Len=0 surfing anywhere else on the Internet or performing any other function from this box works fine. as well, i can hit http://ftp.redhat.com from a windows box right beside me here. thoughts anyone? i swear i'm not intentionally trying to tick off the rawhide box :-) just trying to up2date fedora test 3! cheers -ryan On Wed, 2003-10-29 at 10:09, ryan wrote: > hi, > > just wondering if the up2date server (http://ftp.redhat.com) does some > sort of filtering on hosts that maybe appear to be pounding it a bit too > much or updating too much, etc. > > i currently can't connect from this fedora box, but can without issue > from a windows box. if i change my IP on my fedora box i can connect to > up2date again. its the third time its happened to me... > > connection throttling? > > cheers > > -ryan From blizzard at redhat.com Wed Oct 29 23:02:20 2003 From: blizzard at redhat.com (Christopher Blizzard) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 18:02:20 -0500 Subject: oo.org-1.1.0-3 wants mozilla 1.4, but I don't In-Reply-To: <1067388714.7973.83.camel@earth.xades.com> References: <1067354277.7973.16.camel@earth.xades.com> <1067354641.5739.64.camel@ahnews.music.salford.ac.uk> <1067355116.7973.23.camel@earth.xades.com> <1067377687.3507.12.camel@max.localdomain> <1067377986.4159.22.camel@T6.linux> <1067388491.18470.2.camel@max.localdomain> <1067388714.7973.83.camel@earth.xades.com> Message-ID: <3FA046FC.8040802@redhat.com> nosp wrote: > On Wed, 2003-10-29 at 00:48, Maxwell Kanat-Alexander wrote: > >> I asked in the #openoffice.org channel on freenode, and they said that >>the OO.org *build* process uses some Mozilla code to enable the ability >>to link to the Mozilla address book. >> >> I suppose that RH took that out and made it an external dependency for >>the SRPM. > > > But the RPM (not SRPM) also depends on mozilla, so there must be > something more/different to it... > It calls into some of the Mozilla code to migrade addressbooks. So there is a runtime dependency. --Chris From paul at frields.com Wed Oct 29 22:49:55 2003 From: paul at frields.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 17:49:55 -0500 Subject: up2date hang In-Reply-To: <3FA01111.7070708@haitsma.org> References: <200310290939.35127.czar@czarc.net> <3FA01111.7070708@haitsma.org> Message-ID: <1067467795.2413.9.camel@bettie.internal.frields.org> On Wed, 2003-10-29 at 14:12, Jaap A. Haitsma wrote: > Gene C. wrote: > > I have noticed that up2date seems to "hang" if I select a log (eg, all) > > updates to be downloaded/installed. The download is fine but when it gets to > > the install there is some cpu usage but then everything drops to zero and > > nothing happens. If I kill up2date and then select only a few packages, > > everything seems to work fine. > > > > Anyone else notice this? > Yes, exactly the same When reporting this stuff to the list, it's helpful to indicate your version of up2date, i.e. the results of "rpm -q up2date". You may also want to simply do "up2date --nosig up2date up2date-gnome" from a command line first if you're not using the newest version (currently 4.1.12-1). -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE From jjramsey_6x9eq42 at yahoo.com Wed Oct 29 23:08:35 2003 From: jjramsey_6x9eq42 at yahoo.com (James J. Ramsey) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 15:08:35 -0800 (PST) Subject: Up2Date still having problems... In-Reply-To: <1067466964.2413.2.camel@bettie.internal.frields.org> Message-ID: <20031029230835.10858.qmail@web10705.mail.yahoo.com> --- "Paul W. Frields" wrote: > On Wed, 2003-10-29 at 16:32, James J. Ramsey wrote: > > > What I wonder is how come the blue checkmark in > the > > RHN applet never turns red when updates are > available? > > Must be a local configuration problem on your end; > mine works fine on my > net-connected testing box. Have you checked your > /etc/sysconfig/rhn/sources? Check the archive for > hints if necessary. FWIW, there's only one line in /etc/sysconfig/rhn/sources that isn't a comment: yum rawhide http://ftp.redhat.com/pub/redhat/linux/rawhide/ (That's all on one line.) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/ From redhat-jc at insight.rr.com Wed Oct 29 23:11:28 2003 From: redhat-jc at insight.rr.com (Jim Cornette) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 18:11:28 -0500 Subject: no X after full upgrade from test3 to upgraded pkgs for test3 In-Reply-To: References: <3F9F1C32.8000108@insight.rr.com> <3F9FB30D.6060903@insight.rr.com> Message-ID: <3FA04920.4020304@insight.rr.com> Harry Putnam wrote: > Jim Cornette writes: > > >>>following packages you requested were not found: >>> xinitrc-3.35-1.noarch.rpm >>>I don't see it on Mikes site either. >> >>The version is available through rawhide. I checked my installed >>version and it is what you mentioned. >>Try the mirror below or any similar mirror. Since you are non-gui, I >>find mc handy to actually see the files. A command line program should >>work also. Hopefully, there are not of a lot of programs that rely on >>xinitrc. > > > OOps it was there... I used the wrong syntax to up2date by including > the version number. > Once I fiddled around with the install sequence of XFree86 and > xinitrc I was able to get everthing installed and X running. > > Thank you. I am glad that you are back up with the X working. Plus learning how to use up2date (without version info). I think that we got a trunced rpm file related to base fonts for X. I think that Paul is in a track to what might have caused the problem. A better check is probably a good Idea, especially for X related programs or critical files, like the kernel. Jim posted Paul's excerpt, instead of responding twice. In an earlier posting I described an up2date failure where a truncated downloaded package file was not caught by the up2date client. up2date proceeded to perform the updates, and in the middle of one of the earlier upgrades terminated with a fatal error. This left a number of missing packages on the system which had been previously installed, as apparently has happened here. I'm not a Python programmer, but a review of the code in /usr/share/rhn/up2date_client shows that there is some sort of RPM MD5 checking functionality included, but it apparently doesn't use the payload. Perhaps the workflow there needs to be revisited to see if it would be appropriate to make a more rigorous check before up2date starts removing anything. Again, as before, I ask that someone check my logic and understanding of the facts or a larger situation here. -- If you think things can't get worse it's probably only because you lack sufficient imagination. From dnrlinux at san.rr.com Wed Oct 29 23:11:01 2003 From: dnrlinux at san.rr.com (Don) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 15:11:01 -0800 Subject: Updated ISO images? In-Reply-To: <1067327383.29218.79.camel@CirithUngol> Message-ID: Andrew, Thanks for the tips.... I got the new up2date and up2date-gnome packages installed.... Then I tried to get the rest of the packages... Once again it just hangs completely during the dependency check. I was able to get some of the packages individually, or in small groups .... I got all the XFree86 packages in one go, and that sort of thing. Over all, the process of getting the updates was excruciatingly painful, going through many, many iterations of running up2date... waiting an age for the list of package headers, waiting an age for the dependency checks, the actual downloads were very quick and the installs were OK.... Except, for every package it downloaded it said "Package already downloaded", but the progress bar continued, and I could "see" traffic being downloaded by the lights on my LAN switch It hung when I tried to get the cpp package by itself.... I got the rhgb package installed... I did get the new kernel updates and after that decided I should reboot the machine then get the rest of the packages.... When I rebooted, graphical boot up did not work (it worked prior to any updates) kudzu recognized new hardware (which there wasn't any really, but I guess it was new to it... the touch pad on my laptop) after which my USB mouse stopped working. Now when I try to use up2date, I eventually get the list of available packages, but I can't get any of them.... it just hangs after I select any one of them and press "forward".... I think at this point I'll just wait until Monday Nov 3 for new ISO's and I'll try again from scratch, then I'll just enter new bugs.... I look forward to seeing how the GA release installs on my IBM desktop.... FCT3 dies a miserable death on that machine now.... yes, I reported the bug and provided logs etc etc, the proverbial "nothing unusual there, that shouldn't happen" oh well, that's why it's called BETA code... :-) "See" you next week. :-) Cheers, Don > -----Original Message----- > From: fedora-test-list-admin at redhat.com > [mailto:fedora-test-list-admin at redhat.com]On Behalf Of Andrew Farris > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 11:50 PM > To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com > Subject: Re: Updated ISO images? > > > > On Mon, 2003-10-27 at 23:22, Don Russell wrote: > > I got the ISO images for FCT3 and installed it on two machines.... > > > > The laptop install went "OK", but the update utility doesn't work, it > > hangs during checking dependencies etc. > > > > The desktop install fails miserably.... choking big time with rpmdb > > fatal errors during the package install. > > > > Question is... are there newer ISO images I can d/l and try again? > > No, just go get the newest up2date and up2date-gnome packages from > rawhide. You may be able to update those packages if you do them ONLY, > before anything else. If not, get them ftp and install manually. After > that you should be able to update the rest (known bug). > > > Thanks, > > Don > -- > Andrew Farris > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From 64bit_fedora at comcast.net Wed Oct 29 23:15:54 2003 From: 64bit_fedora at comcast.net (Justin M. Forbes) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 17:15:54 -0600 (CST) Subject: Installation of x86_64 In-Reply-To: <3FA0355E.1040006@nada.kth.se> Message-ID: There really is not easy way to do the install, I started with a taroon install, then installed and massaged onto a seperate partition to get my working fedora environment. Hopefully this will all be fixed soon though, I have been keeping my isos up to date, and with the package freeze I will start talking to Red Hat about the trademark issues, mirrors, updates, etc for the AMD64 isos. I should have more details later this week. Justin M. Forbes From kilen at us.ibm.com Wed Oct 29 23:24:54 2003 From: kilen at us.ibm.com (Rick Kilen) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 16:24:54 -0700 Subject: Kickstart, LVM and Preserving VGs and LVs Message-ID: Replying to my own post, it appears that no Kickstart config statements exist at this time (not that I can find documented, at least), but by ensuring clearpart and all part/volgroup/logvol statements are commented out, the install process will offer to partition automatically or let the installer use Disk Druid. While Disk Druid isn't the best way to do it, at least it gives me a workaround until the appropriate Kickstart config statements exist. Thanks, Rick Kilen kilen-at-us.ibm.com From maxka at myrealbox.com Wed Oct 29 23:37:57 2003 From: maxka at myrealbox.com (Maxwell Kanat-Alexander) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 15:37:57 -0800 Subject: host blocking on ftp.redhat.com? In-Reply-To: <1067447340.4361.2.camel@dakota.kawisan.com> References: <1067447340.4361.2.camel@dakota.kawisan.com> Message-ID: <1067470677.3324.11.camel@max.localdomain> On Wed, 2003-10-29 at 09:09, ryan wrote: > hi, > > just wondering if the up2date server (http://ftp.redhat.com) does some > sort of filtering on hosts that maybe appear to be pounding it a bit too > much or updating too much, etc. Well, I know that at least ftp.redhat.com seems to limit to two connections per IP. -M From lists at reforge.fi Wed Oct 29 23:37:52 2003 From: lists at reforge.fi (Lauri Jutila) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 01:37:52 +0200 Subject: Updating troubles: redhat-config-network Message-ID: <1067470672.5437.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> I ran usual yum update to get all the latest and greatest but it hit a snag called redhat-config-network. Here's the console output: Damaged RPM /var/cache/yum/base/packages/redhat-config-network-1.3.10-1.noarch.rpm, removing. Getting redhat-config-network-1.3.10-1.noarch.rpm redhat-config-network-1.3 100% |================| 5.8 kB 00:00 redhat-config-network-1.3 100% |================| 5.8 kB 00:00 redhat-config-network-1.3 100% |================| 5.8 kB 00:00 redhat-config-network-1.3 100% |================| 5.8 kB 00:00 redhat-config-network-1.3 100% |================| 5.8 kB 00:00 redhat-config-network-1.3 100% |================| 5.8 kB 00:00 retrygrab() failed for: http://ftp.redhat.com/pub/redhat/linux/rawhide//s390x/Fedora/RPMS/redhat-config-network-1.3.10-1.noarch.rpm Executing failover method failover: out of servers to try Error getting file http://ftp.redhat.com/pub/redhat/linux/rawhide//s390x/Fedora/RPMS/redhat-config-network-1.3.10-1.noarch.rpm [Errno -1] RPM /var/cache/yum/base/packages/redhat-config-network-1.3.10-1.noarch.rpm fails md5 check Broken package, maybe? I'm using http://ftp.redhat.com/pub/redhat/linux/rawhide/ as Fedora base. -- Lauri Jutila Chief Linux Fellow, Reforge lists at reforge.fi http://www.reforge.fi From nosp at xades.com Wed Oct 29 23:42:50 2003 From: nosp at xades.com (nosp) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 23:42:50 +0000 Subject: oo.org-1.1.0-3 wants mozilla 1.4, but I don't In-Reply-To: <3FA046FC.8040802@redhat.com> References: <1067354277.7973.16.camel@earth.xades.com> <1067354641.5739.64.camel@ahnews.music.salford.ac.uk> <1067355116.7973.23.camel@earth.xades.com> <1067377687.3507.12.camel@max.localdomain> <1067377986.4159.22.camel@T6.linux> <1067388491.18470.2.camel@max.localdomain> <1067388714.7973.83.camel@earth.xades.com> <3FA046FC.8040802@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1067470970.8005.1.camel@earth.xades.com> On Wed, 2003-10-29 at 23:02, Christopher Blizzard wrote: > It calls into some of the Mozilla code to migrade addressbooks. So > there is a runtime dependency. Ouch...my poor tiny 6GB laptop drive...thanks for the response. From JDrabb at tampabay.rr.com Wed Oct 29 23:47:08 2003 From: JDrabb at tampabay.rr.com (James Drabb) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 18:47:08 -0500 Subject: kernel-2.6 test8 In-Reply-To: <1067403412.3295.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1067391694.1838.2.camel@bart.netlyncs.com> <1067392084.15177.2148.camel@gruyere> <1067397761.5660.69.camel@keelie.tampabay.rr.com> <1067403412.3295.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1067471227.5299.0.camel@keelie.tampabay.rr.com> On Tue, 2003-10-28 at 23:56, Maynard Kuona wrote: > Here's what I did to get mine working. Thanks for the typ Maynard. Jim Drabb -- James Drabb Senior Programmer Analyst Davenport, FL USA From fedora at puzzled.xs4all.nl Thu Oct 30 00:12:59 2003 From: fedora at puzzled.xs4all.nl (Patrick) Date: 30 Oct 2003 01:12:59 +0100 Subject: up2date: rpm.error: public key not trusted? Message-ID: <1067472779.5167.3.camel@guru.puzzled.xs4all.nl> I"ve got up2date-4.1.12-1. Just now with an up2date -u (after downloading tons of rpms) I get: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/sbin/up2date", line 1187, in ? sys.exit(main() or 0) File "/usr/sbin/up2date", line 765, in main fullUpdate, dryRun=options.dry_run)) File "/usr/sbin/up2date", line 1050, in batchRun batch.run() File "up2dateBatch.py", line 82, in run File "up2dateBatch.py", line 153, in __installPackages File "up2date.py", line 604, in installPackages File "up2date.py", line 173, in getRealHeader rpm.error: public key not trusted Any ideas? TIA, Patrick From marcdeslauriers at videotron.ca Thu Oct 30 00:22:06 2003 From: marcdeslauriers at videotron.ca (Marc Deslauriers) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 19:22:06 -0500 Subject: host blocking on ftp.redhat.com? In-Reply-To: <1067468607.4207.5.camel@dakota.kawisan.com> References: <1067447340.4361.2.camel@dakota.kawisan.com> <1067468607.4207.5.camel@dakota.kawisan.com> Message-ID: <1067473326.2445.4.camel@mdlinux> On Wed, 2003-10-29 at 18:03, ryan wrote: > really hoping someone can offer insight. i just changed to my fourth IP > because i'm having to do the one-by-one up2date process (hang issue on > 'check dependencies' when selecting many packages at once) > > it worked up to about 10 minutes ago, but now ftp.redhat.com (rawhide) > is not responding to any syn's from me when up2date goes to grab the > header.info file. I had the same problem last weekend...I had to wait a day or two and everything went back to normal. Marc. From bcs at metacon.ca Thu Oct 30 00:26:13 2003 From: bcs at metacon.ca (Ben Steeves) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 20:26:13 -0400 Subject: will there be a tui user config In-Reply-To: <20031029164316.A21824@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <1067457663.29672.102.camel@zephyr> <1067458368.29885.24.camel@bfox.devel.redhat.com> <1067459187.29672.127.camel@zephyr> <20031029164316.A21824@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1067473573.4487.15.camel@zephyr> On Wed, 2003-10-29 at 17:43, Michael K. Johnson wrote: > On Wed, Oct 29, 2003 at 04:26:27PM -0400, Ben Steeves wrote: > > Mind you, SMIT's implementation wasn't perfect. Since the commands were > > built programmatically (SMIT is essentially a front end that runs the > > appropriate commands (or scripts)), they were sometimes less than > > optimal or needlessly pedantic (putting in parameters for flags that > > would be assumed as defaults, that sort of thing). Still, it was very > > reassuring (for a seasoned sysadmin because you knew exactly what was > > going on, and for a newbie because you could learn). > > I think that the fact that SMIT had to do this was an indication that > the whole configuration process was wrongheaded from the start in AIX. I don't disagree with you :-) Nonetheless, the ability to "pull back the curtain" is one of the things that sets Linux apart from Those Other Operating Systems. I would never advocate mimicing anything about how SMIT or AIX configuration in general work, but for configuration, as any true Linux geek will tell you, nothing beats the command line. GUI tools are really convenient, but I know I always feel better when doing my thing I'm backstage :-) > (Yes, I was an AIX admin at one time, I'm > not just spouting off.) I feel your pain :-) Thankfully Linux saved us both :) -- Ben Steeves _ bcs at metacon.ca The ASCII ribbon campaign ( ) ben.steeves at unb.ca against HTML e-mail X GPG ID: 0xB3EBF1D9 http://www.metacon.ca/ascii / \ Yahoo Messenger: ben_steeves From JDrabb at tampabay.rr.com Thu Oct 30 00:26:40 2003 From: JDrabb at tampabay.rr.com (James Drabb) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 19:26:40 -0500 Subject: Urgent testing request for openoffice.org-1.1.0-4.4 In-Reply-To: <20031029062535.A2097@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <20031029062535.A2097@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1067473597.5299.4.camel@keelie.tampabay.rr.com> On Wed, 2003-10-29 at 06:25, Jakub Jelinek wrote: > Hi! > > ftp://people.redhat.com/jakub/openoffice.org/ > is another release of OO.o rpms with improved startup speed. > Please test as much as possible (if there are enough success reports > and no problem reports, there is (IMHO) still a small chance > to make it the default; otherwise it will be in the FC1 rpms, > but not as default, ie. require root to > ln -sf soffice2.bin /usr/lib/openoffice/program > to run the startup speed optimized version). > Thanks. > > Jakub Very nice! First time startups are generally 10 seconds or less and subsequent startups are 3 seconds or less. I have been using soffice3.bin. I have been using the previous release since you first posted about it with no problems. Exporting to PDF and Flash have been working well. I have not noticed any difference other then the much improved startup time. Jim Drabb -- James Drabb Senior Programmer Analyst Davenport, FL USA From marcdeslauriers at videotron.ca Thu Oct 30 00:27:16 2003 From: marcdeslauriers at videotron.ca (Marc Deslauriers) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 19:27:16 -0500 Subject: Urgent testing request for openoffice.org-1.1.0-4.4 In-Reply-To: <20031029062535.A2097@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <20031029062535.A2097@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1067473636.2445.6.camel@mdlinux> On Wed, 2003-10-29 at 06:25, Jakub Jelinek wrote: > ftp://people.redhat.com/jakub/openoffice.org/ > is another release of OO.o rpms with improved startup speed. > Please test as much as possible (if there are enough success reports > and no problem reports, there is (IMHO) still a small chance > to make it the default; otherwise it will be in the FC1 rpms, > but not as default, ie. require root to > ln -sf soffice2.bin /usr/lib/openoffice/program > to run the startup speed optimized version). > Thanks. Works great for me! Marc. From kmaraas at broadpark.no Thu Oct 30 00:29:14 2003 From: kmaraas at broadpark.no (Kjartan Maraas) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 01:29:14 +0100 Subject: Help me to configure XF86Config for TV-out In-Reply-To: References: <200310291255.59978.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <1067473753.6559.15.camel@localhost.localdomain> ons, 29.10.2003 kl. 19.42 skrev Mike A. Harris: [SNIP] > I use pine's threading (H) to view threads, then scan through > them looking for XFree86/X or X related subjects and generally > ignore almost all other emails myself. I'd like to set up a mail > filter that searches the subject/body for certain keywords and > filters the mails to folders for me while ignoring the bulk of > the lists. > > Evolution's vfolders feature aparently is perfect for this, > although I use pine myself. I might start using Evolution in the > future, just for mailing lists alone, and use pine for regular > mail. ;o) And you think you will continue using pine after trying Evolution? Muahaha... Cheers -- Kjartan Maraas From gstool at earthlink.net Thu Oct 30 00:52:24 2003 From: gstool at earthlink.net (Gerry Tool) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 18:52:24 -0600 Subject: Up2date hangs caused by redhat-config-network packages Message-ID: <1067475144.5798.3.camel@gstpc.earthlink.net> I persisted in using up2date to try to get all of today's updates, and found that the packages causing the hangs after download are the two redhat-config-network packages. Everything else installed successfully. Gerry From alriddoch at zepler.org Thu Oct 30 00:54:55 2003 From: alriddoch at zepler.org (Alistair Riddoch) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 00:54:55 +0000 Subject: up2date: rpm.error: public key not trusted? In-Reply-To: <1067472779.5167.3.camel@guru.puzzled.xs4all.nl> References: <1067472779.5167.3.camel@guru.puzzled.xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <20031030005455.GA6922@login.ecs.soton.ac.uk> On Thu, Oct 30, 2003 at 01:12:59AM +0100, Patrick wrote: > I"ve got up2date-4.1.12-1. Just now with an up2date -u (after > downloading tons of rpms) I get: > > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "/usr/sbin/up2date", line 1187, in ? > sys.exit(main() or 0) > File "/usr/sbin/up2date", line 765, in main > fullUpdate, dryRun=options.dry_run)) > File "/usr/sbin/up2date", line 1050, in batchRun > batch.run() > File "up2dateBatch.py", line 82, in run > File "up2dateBatch.py", line 153, in __installPackages > File "up2date.py", line 604, in installPackages > File "up2date.py", line 173, in getRealHeader > rpm.error: public key not trusted > > Any ideas? > I got this error, and it was caused by a failure to download the redhat-config-network* rpms mentioned in an earlier messages. Looking in /var/spool/up2date/ the redhat-config-network* packages were copies of the 404 page, not rpms at all. Installing the rest of the downloaded rpms worked fine, but these 2 always fail no matter how many times I try to download them again. Al -- Alistair Riddoch alriddoch at zepler.org http://www.zepler.org/~alriddoch/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From david at zakar.com Thu Oct 30 00:58:30 2003 From: david at zakar.com (David Zakar) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 19:58:30 -0500 Subject: Nvidia Driver Problems? Message-ID: <1067475509.7249.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> Has anyone else been having odd nvidia driver problems lately? Observe: [erwos at localhost erwos]$ glxinfo name of display: :0.0 Xlib: extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0". display: :0 screen: 0 direct rendering: No server glx vendor string: NVIDIA Corporation server glx version string: 1.3 Now, isn't this interesting? I've got the "nvidia" drivers installed, yet I've got no direct-rendering. The XF86Config file is properly written, too. I've used the nvidia stuff for years, so I'd be surprised if I had made a configuration mistake on this. I have been using yum to keep up to date, too. After the last XF86 and kernel upgrade, I reinstalled the latest nVidia drivers. No love. All the symlinks and such seem to be in proper order, too, which is even odder. Now, I have a confession to make: I don't know if direct rendering ever worked. I tried TuxRacer, but, alas, my CPU is too fast, and I thought it was using 3D acceleration when it wasn't. That'll teach me to use glxinfo, huh? So, has anyone else had similar problems? I can provide more information if anyone wants to see it. Thanks for all the hard work on Fedora - it's a really excellent distribution! -- David Zakar From seyman at wanadoo.fr Thu Oct 30 01:17:42 2003 From: seyman at wanadoo.fr (Emmanuel Seyman) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 02:17:42 +0100 Subject: Help me to configure XF86Config for TV-out In-Reply-To: References: <200310291255.59978.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <20031030011742.GA5319@orient.maison> On Wed, Oct 29, 2003 at 01:42:28PM -0500, Mike A. Harris wrote: > > ignore almost all other emails myself. I'd like to set up a mail > filter that searches the subject/body for certain keywords and > filters the mails to folders for me while ignoring the bulk of > the lists. Something that comes close: grepine is a shell script that uses grepmail to operate filters on a mail folder and automatically sends the output to pine. grepmail: http://grepmail.sourceforge.net/ grepine: http://www.dfki.de/~pietsch/software/ Emmanuel From johnsonm at redhat.com Thu Oct 30 01:21:35 2003 From: johnsonm at redhat.com (Michael K. Johnson) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 20:21:35 -0500 Subject: will there be a tui user config In-Reply-To: <1067473573.4487.15.camel@zephyr>; from bcs@metacon.ca on Wed, Oct 29, 2003 at 08:26:13PM -0400 References: <1067457663.29672.102.camel@zephyr> <1067458368.29885.24.camel@bfox.devel.redhat.com> <1067459187.29672.127.camel@zephyr> <20031029164316.A21824@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1067473573.4487.15.camel@zephyr> Message-ID: <20031029202135.A2553@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Wed, Oct 29, 2003 at 08:26:13PM -0400, Ben Steeves wrote: > On Wed, 2003-10-29 at 17:43, Michael K. Johnson wrote: > > On Wed, Oct 29, 2003 at 04:26:27PM -0400, Ben Steeves wrote: > > > Mind you, SMIT's implementation wasn't perfect. Since the commands were > > > built programmatically (SMIT is essentially a front end that runs the > > > appropriate commands (or scripts)), they were sometimes less than > > > optimal or needlessly pedantic (putting in parameters for flags that > > > would be assumed as defaults, that sort of thing). Still, it was very > > > reassuring (for a seasoned sysadmin because you knew exactly what was > > > going on, and for a newbie because you could learn). > > > > I think that the fact that SMIT had to do this was an indication that > > the whole configuration process was wrongheaded from the start in AIX. > > I don't disagree with you :-) Nonetheless, the ability to "pull back > the curtain" is one of the things that sets Linux apart from Those Other > Operating Systems. Yeah, and the reason there was a curtain to begin with on AIX was their keeping all the configuration in a binary database and regenerating the config files blindly every time you sneezed. With Linux, we can generally just not have that curtain to begin with, and with textual configuration files, often commented, often documented, and sometimes both, you do not have the formidable barrier to management that I recall on AIX... > I would never advocate mimicing anything about how > SMIT or AIX configuration in general work, but for configuration, as any > true Linux geek will tell you, nothing beats the command line. GUI > tools are really convenient, but I know I always feel better when doing > my thing I'm backstage :-) Yeah, but a lot of what config tools do is modify config files rather than run SMIT-like touch-my-database-and-blindly-regenerate-my-config-files commands so it's apples and oranges. > > (Yes, I was an AIX admin at one time, I'm > > not just spouting off.) > > I feel your pain :-) Thankfully Linux saved us both :) Heh. Well, I learned Linux before AIX (back in the days when we didn't have init, getty, or login...) but worked with all sorts of commercial Unix to pay the bills before Linux had significant commercial success. michaelkjohnson "He that composes himself is wiser than he that composes a book." Linux Application Development -- Ben Franklin http://people.redhat.com/johnsonm/lad/ From linhardt at swbell.net Thu Oct 30 01:45:10 2003 From: linhardt at swbell.net (Terry R Linhardt) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 19:45:10 -0600 Subject: lacking initrd-2.4.22-1.2110.nptl.img In-Reply-To: <200310301334.30694.hoyt@cavtel.net> References: <1067399164.1823.10.camel@chastain> <200310301334.30694.hoyt@cavtel.net> Message-ID: <1067478310.1823.20.camel@chastain> Okay, I tried that. Now I get an error of: No dep file found for kernel 2.4.22-1.2110.nptl In the /boot directory I have the same set of files that exist on *another* machine which I have, *except* for the missing .img file. Any additional advice or help would be appreciated. Terry On Thu, 2003-10-30 at 07:34, HoytDuff wrote: > On Wednesday 29 October 2003 03:46 am, Terry R Linhardt wrote: > > However, I downloaded updates, including kernel 2.4.22-1.2110.nptl. I > > see the kernel in my /boot directory. However, I cannot find > > initrd-2.4.22-1.2110.nptl.img. And, the system certainly complains if > > it is not present. > > > > Advice? Hints? > > Make one yourself: > > # mkinitrd /boot/ initrd-2.4.22-1.2110.nptl.img 2.4.22-1.2110.nptl > > will create the inird file. -- Terry R Linhardt From redhat-jc at insight.rr.com Thu Oct 30 02:25:04 2003 From: redhat-jc at insight.rr.com (Jim Cornette) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 21:25:04 -0500 Subject: Redhat-config boot Message-ID: <3FA07680.9010705@insight.rr.com> I just tried out redhat-config-boot and it gave me the error below. (tracback) Jim Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/share/redhat-config-boot/redhat-config-boot.py", line 22, in ? app.stand_alone() File "/usr/share/firstboot/modules/boot_gui.py", line 275, in stand_alone self.setupScreen() File "/usr/share/firstboot/modules/boot_gui.py", line 87, in setupScreen self.setDefault() File "/usr/share/firstboot/modules/boot_gui.py", line 178, in setDefault self.timeoutEntry.set_value(self.probedTimeout) AttributeError: BootWindow instance has no attribute 'probedTimeout' -- A good plan today is better than a perfect plan tomorrow. -- Patton From nbirchler at earthlink.net Thu Oct 30 02:24:55 2003 From: nbirchler at earthlink.net (Neil Birchler) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 20:24:55 -0600 Subject: Nvidia Driver Problems? In-Reply-To: <1067475509.7249.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1067475509.7249.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1067480695.4835.3.camel@tower.steins.net> On Wed, 2003-10-29 at 18:58, David Zakar wrote: > Has anyone else been having odd nvidia driver problems lately? this is a much discussed topic. you need to remove the mesa glx package with --nodepends. the nvidia installer isn't removing all of the opengl libraries from mesa. neil From andre at bwh.harvard.edu Thu Oct 30 02:27:32 2003 From: andre at bwh.harvard.edu (Andre Robatino) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 21:27:32 -0500 (EST) Subject: Redhat-config boot In-Reply-To: <3FA07680.9010705@insight.rr.com> from "Jim Cornette" at Oct 29, 2003 09:25:04 PM Message-ID: <200310300227.h9U2RWq00627@garfield.bwh.harvard.edu> > I just tried out redhat-config-boot and it gave me the error below. > (tracback) > > Jim > > > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "/usr/share/redhat-config-boot/redhat-config-boot.py", line 22, in ? > app.stand_alone() > File "/usr/share/firstboot/modules/boot_gui.py", line 275, in stand_alone > self.setupScreen() > File "/usr/share/firstboot/modules/boot_gui.py", line 87, in setupScreen > self.setDefault() > File "/usr/share/firstboot/modules/boot_gui.py", line 178, in setDefault > self.timeoutEntry.set_value(self.probedTimeout) > AttributeError: BootWindow instance has no attribute 'probedTimeout' Reported as bug #106796 (and again as bug #108254). From redhat-jc at insight.rr.com Thu Oct 30 02:55:31 2003 From: redhat-jc at insight.rr.com (Jim Cornette) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 21:55:31 -0500 Subject: New fedora-release in rawhide In-Reply-To: <3F9FD15E.3070902@atl.lmco.com> References: <3F9FD15E.3070902@atl.lmco.com> Message-ID: <3FA07DA3.7040009@insight.rr.com> Doug Stewart wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > I noticed that, upon running up2date this morning, it was prompting me > to upgrade fedora-relase to 1-1 (over 0.95). I skipped that package, so > as to avoid any potential nastiness. Does this mean that next week's > FC1 release has been bumped up? Will there be any complications if I > upgrade to the newer fedora-release? > - -- > - ---------- > Doug Stewart I downloaded the release package, then uncommented default. It worked for the below: There is no channel associated on RHN with the release yet. I was able to register, divulge the programs installed. I had to comment the default line again, after registering. Up2date stopped working when tried after the system was registered. Jim From redhat-jc at insight.rr.com Thu Oct 30 02:58:00 2003 From: redhat-jc at insight.rr.com (Jim Cornette) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 21:58:00 -0500 Subject: up2date Error [Was: Re: New fedora-release in rawhide] In-Reply-To: <1067440086.2177.3.camel@dbxwsd21> References: <3F9FD709.2050104@atl.lmco.com> <1067440086.2177.3.camel@dbxwsd21> Message-ID: <3FA07E38.6050601@insight.rr.com> Will Backman wrote: > Common error that a lot of people have been getting. > Seems to come and go. Fixes itself. Check bugzilla. > > On Wed, 2003-10-29 at 10:04, Doug Stewart wrote: > > >>"[SNIP Python traceback] >>rpm.error: public key not trusted" This error is happening with redhat-config-network or it's tui cousin. These are the rpms that give me the error described. Jim From redhat-jc at insight.rr.com Thu Oct 30 03:12:56 2003 From: redhat-jc at insight.rr.com (Jim Cornette) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 22:12:56 -0500 Subject: redhat-config-network and tui Message-ID: <3FA081B8.9010405@insight.rr.com> When trying to "dive into the rpm file with mc. I get this error on redhat-config-network "inconsistent extfs archive" in a red popup window. The tui file gives the exact same symptom. Just to verify that mc was not acting up. I tried to open another rpm that worked fine. Jim From ejprinz at austin.rr.com Thu Oct 30 03:43:23 2003 From: ejprinz at austin.rr.com (Erwin J. Prinz) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 21:43:23 -0600 Subject: Nvidia Driver Problems? In-Reply-To: <1067475509.7249.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1067475509.7249.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <3FA088DB.7000708@austin.rr.com> Same issue here. "glxgears" looks for a libGL.so.1 library and finds the wrong one: [root at tiger erwin]# ldd /usr/X11R6/bin/glxgears libGL.so.1 => /usr/X11R6/lib/tls/libGL.so.1 (0x00590000) So, that library needs to be removed to detect the NVIDIA libGL.so.1: rpm -e --nodeps XFree86-Mesa-libGL-4.3.0-42 For me, that solved the problem. There was an earlier post indicating that RedHat is in discussion with NVIDIA to solve the problem in a clean way. Best regards, Erwin From mharris at redhat.com Thu Oct 30 03:50:18 2003 From: mharris at redhat.com (Mike A. Harris) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 22:50:18 -0500 (EST) Subject: Nvidia Driver Problems? In-Reply-To: <1067480695.4835.3.camel@tower.steins.net> References: <1067475509.7249.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1067480695.4835.3.camel@tower.steins.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 29 Oct 2003, Neil Birchler wrote: >> Has anyone else been having odd nvidia driver problems lately? > >this is a much discussed topic. you need to remove the mesa glx package >with --nodepends. the nvidia installer isn't removing all of the opengl >libraries from mesa. You're confusing libGL and GLX, but otherwise correct. rpm -e --nodeps XFree86-Mesa-libGL -- Mike A. Harris ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris OS Systems Engineer - XFree86 maintainer - Red Hat From paul.morgan at jumanjihouse.com Thu Oct 30 04:23:56 2003 From: paul.morgan at jumanjihouse.com (Paul Morgan) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 22:23:56 -0600 Subject: Arjan's 2.6-test9 and pcmcia wireless Message-ID: <1067487836.5570.8.camel@vaio.jumanjihouse.com> Is anybody running a pcmcia wi-fi card under Arjan's 2.6 test kernel or can point me in the right direction? My Linksys WPC-11 Version 3 pcmcia card works great under 2.4 but not 2.6. interesting log entries from /var/log/messages when booting 2.6: -- kernel: ds: unable to create instance of 'orinoco_cs'! cardmgr[4731]: Card Services release does not match /etc/modules.conf -- alias eth1 orinoco_cs /etc/modprobe.conf -- alias eth1 orinoco_cs versions: -- kernel-pcmcia-cs-3.1.31-13 modutils-2.4.25-13 oprofile-0.7cvs-0.20030829.6 kernel-2.4.22-1.2105.nptl kernel-2.6.0-0.test8.1.66 kernel-2.6.0-0.test9.1.67 kernel-doc-2.6.0-0.test9.1.67 initscripts-7.42-1 kernel-source-2.6.0-0.test9.1.67 kernel-utils-2.4-9.1.101.fedora mkinitrd-3.5.14-1 nfs-utils-1.0.6-1 Interesting List Messages: http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/2003-July/msg01290.html http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/2003-July/msg01306.html Other Interesting List Messages: http://www.redhat.com/archives/rhl-beta-list/2003-July/msg01114.html http://www.redhat.com/archives/rhl-beta-list/2003-July/msg01233.html http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/2003-August/msg00426.html From dax at gurulabs.com Thu Oct 30 04:25:08 2003 From: dax at gurulabs.com (Dax Kelson) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 21:25:08 -0700 (MST) Subject: will there be a tui user config In-Reply-To: <1067457663.29672.102.camel@zephyr> Message-ID: On Wed, 29 Oct 2003, Ben Steeves wrote: > On Wed, 2003-10-29 at 15:30, Vanco, Don wrote: > > The issue is that I get used to > > the GUI stuff (read: crutch - I'll admit it) and, well, forget bits and > > pieces of the command line stuff at times. > > This just made me think of something. I don't know how many of you are > familiar with AIX, but it has a very nice sysadmin tool called "SMIT" > which is kinda-sorta like the redhat-config-* applications. One thing I > always liked about SMIT was that if you needed it (or were just > curious), you could ask it to display the equivalent command-line for > whatever you'd just done through the GUI. My thought pre-dates yours by 14 months. :) Add your comments here: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=71647 Dax Kelson Guru Labs From dax at gurulabs.com Thu Oct 30 05:09:22 2003 From: dax at gurulabs.com (Dax Kelson) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 22:09:22 -0700 (MST) Subject: Apple Errata policy same as Fedora? Message-ID: From: http://news.com.com/2100-7355_3-5098688.html?tag=st_lh =================== They have stated that they want to release a new version of OS X every year, but this is the first time they have hinted that they will not be supporting any particular OS X version for more than that year and that they expect all their customers to upgrade their operating system on a yearly basis," he said. =================== So I guess the difference for Mac OS and Fedora users who want to stay current with security fixes is that the Mac OS guys will have to pay $129 each year. Of course the Fedora legacy project might remove the need to upgrade your OS each year. Dax Kelson From linux at seldik.com Thu Oct 30 05:52:38 2003 From: linux at seldik.com (selda) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 23:52:38 -0600 Subject: (no subject) Message-ID: Hi, I am a Linux newbie and I am searching for the right distro for me. Looks I have found the right one:-) I have installed Fedora Severn about an hour ago and I'm really impressed. It is the first distro that supports Dell TrueMobile 1180 Wireless USB Adapter!!! But I don't know how to configure it :-( If anyone knows, please let me know. Another problem I have is the screen resolution. I don't know why but the maximum resolution I can select is 1024x768. I have ATI Radeon 9000 pro video card. Last problem is with the sound. My sound card was detected but the sound test failed. I have SoundMax Integrated Audio Thanks for your help - selda From david at zakar.com Thu Oct 30 06:05:06 2003 From: david at zakar.com (David Zakar) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 01:05:06 -0500 Subject: Wireless In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1067493906.8748.27.camel@localhost.localdomain> Alright: 1. Get to the command line. Use 'su -l' to give yourself root. Type "iwconfig" and "ifconfig". Examine the output :). If the interface is not ethX (ie, you've got wlan0 from the card), it's not going to be able to be configured by RedHat's tools, _I THINK_. I had this issue with my Atmel USB device - fortunately, the driver let me make the interface eth1 instead of wlan0 with a module insert-time flag. 2. ATI has binary drivers for the Radeon 9000 that you may want to use. Go to ATI's website and grab 'em. The maximum resolution problem is tricky to resolve - could be a lack of the resolution in the screen block, or bad refresh rate settings for your monitor. 3. No idea about the sound. What does lspci tell you about your sound device? -DMZ On Thu, 2003-10-30 at 00:52, selda wrote: > Hi, > I am a Linux newbie and I am searching for the right distro for me. Looks > I have found the right one:-) > > I have installed Fedora Severn about an hour ago and I'm really impressed. > It is the first distro that supports Dell TrueMobile 1180 Wireless USB > Adapter!!! But I don't know how to configure it :-( If anyone knows, > please let me know. > > Another problem I have is the screen resolution. I don't know why but the > maximum resolution I can select is 1024x768. I have ATI Radeon 9000 pro > video card. > > Last problem is with the sound. My sound card was detected but the sound > test failed. I have SoundMax Integrated Audio > > Thanks for your help - selda > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list -- David Zakar From linux at seldik.com Thu Oct 30 06:27:33 2003 From: linux at seldik.com (selda) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 00:27:33 -0600 Subject: Wireless In-Reply-To: <1067493906.8748.27.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1067493906.8748.27.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: So I tried 'iwconfig' and the output was 'no wireless extensions' Is it good or bad? :-) On Thu, 30 Oct 2003 01:05:06 -0500, David Zakar wrote: > Alright: > 1. Get to the command line. Use 'su -l' to give yourself root. Type > "iwconfig" and "ifconfig". Examine the output :). If the interface is > not ethX (ie, you've got wlan0 from the card), it's not going to be able > to be configured by RedHat's tools, _I THINK_. I had this issue with my > Atmel USB device - fortunately, the driver let me make the interface > eth1 instead of wlan0 with a module insert-time flag. > > 2. ATI has binary drivers for the Radeon 9000 that you may want to use. > Go to ATI's website and grab 'em. The maximum resolution problem is > tricky to resolve - could be a lack of the resolution in the screen > block, or bad refresh rate settings for your monitor. > > 3. No idea about the sound. What does lspci tell you about your sound > device? > > -DMZ > > On Thu, 2003-10-30 at 00:52, selda wrote: >> Hi, >> I am a Linux newbie and I am searching for the right distro for me. >> Looks >> I have found the right one:-) >> >> I have installed Fedora Severn about an hour ago and I'm really >> impressed. >> It is the first distro that supports Dell TrueMobile 1180 Wireless USB >> Adapter!!! But I don't know how to configure it :-( If anyone knows, >> please let me know. >> >> Another problem I have is the screen resolution. I don't know why but >> the >> maximum resolution I can select is 1024x768. I have ATI Radeon 9000 pro >> video card. >> >> Last problem is with the sound. My sound card was detected but the sound >> test failed. I have SoundMax Integrated Audio >> >> Thanks for your help - selda >> >> >> -- >> fedora-test-list mailing list >> fedora-test-list at redhat.com >> http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From roger at gwch.net Thu Oct 30 06:56:07 2003 From: roger at gwch.net (Grosswiler Roger) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 07:56:07 +0100 (CET) Subject: AW: Mouse - strange bevaviour In-Reply-To: <3F9C11F2.8010701@insight.rr.com> References: <000001c39bc7$b5ba2ba0$0500000a@agentsmith> <3F9C11F2.8010701@insight.rr.com> Message-ID: <23138.62.2.21.164.1067496967.squirrel@www.gwch.net> Now, i tried out, what i could. my mouse still laughs on me and insists working. used gpm -t /dev/mouse -m imps2, i switched the ln -s from psaux on psmouse, tried all with all mousedrivers deliverd by redhat-config-boot. Reinstalled a new bios on the compag proliant 1600. but none works :-( i really would like to get linux up-and-running on this ancient piece... So, does anybody have any more ideas?? btw. was studying about installing a local mouse instead of my kvm-switch's one...the same effect on the ps/2 port....thinking about having a usb-mouse or a serial one...could this perhaps be helpful?? (ah, yes, getting lots of usb-kernel-errors on boot-time...) i think i'm gonna buy a converter ps/2 to usb, so i can connect my ps/2-mouse to the usb-port of my computer....and hope it's getting recognized... Cheers, Roger > Grosswiler Roger wrote: >> I'll try this....but howto? I was looking for redhat-config-boot...and >> didn't find... >> > > I had to install redhat-config-boot by running up2date > redhat-config-boot from a root terminal. This installed the program. > > The program does not allow you to configure graphical boot or change the > options for booting your kernels. So far you have to edit these by hand. > > redhat-config-boot only pops up a screen for you to be able to change > the timeout and which kernel that you want to load by default. It would > be nice to have the ability to select common options to change for the > kernel load through this feature. > > You have to edit the file /boot/grub/grub.conf with a text editor, as > root. You want remove the rhgb from the line below. Be very careful when > you edit the line by hand. It is important for your system to come back > up right on next boot. > > > Since you only want to do this to test out your mouse stopping working. > It would be best to hightlight the boot selection. Press e to edit the > line. Then another e to be able to actually edit the line. Then > backspace to get rid of the rhgb part of the line entry. .. Press b to > boot after you remove the rhgb from the line. > > > > title Fedora Core (2.4.22-1.2108.nptl) > root (hd1,0) > kernel /vmlinuz-2.4.22-1.2108.nptl ro root=LABEL=/ hdd=ide-scsi rhgb > initrd /initrd-2.4.22-1.2108.nptl.img > > > > By the way, I had a similar problem with my mouse working originally on > startup and then freezing up. This was caused in my case by norton > antivirus. It was on XP, so I don't think it is the same problem. There > might be a Linux program that could cause a similar lockup for you. Mine > was a problem that was only present in XP and not Linux, for locked mouse. > > > Jim > > -- > If you think things can't get worse it's probably only because you > lack sufficient imagination. > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > From mharris at redhat.com Thu Oct 30 06:56:40 2003 From: mharris at redhat.com (Mike A. Harris) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 01:56:40 -0500 (EST) Subject: (no subject) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, 29 Oct 2003, selda wrote: >I am a Linux newbie and I am searching for the right distro for me. Looks >I have found the right one:-) > >I have installed Fedora Severn about an hour ago and I'm really impressed. >It is the first distro that supports Dell TrueMobile 1180 Wireless USB >Adapter!!! But I don't know how to configure it :-( If anyone knows, >please let me know. > >Another problem I have is the screen resolution. I don't know why but the >maximum resolution I can select is 1024x768. I have ATI Radeon 9000 pro >video card. Check the config file by hand. If there is a VideoRAM setting in there and you didn't put it in there yourself by hand, please file a bug report in bugzilla against redhat-config-xfree86. -- Mike A. Harris ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris OS Systems Engineer - XFree86 maintainer - Red Hat From roger at gwch.net Thu Oct 30 07:03:07 2003 From: roger at gwch.net (Grosswiler Roger) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 08:03:07 +0100 (CET) Subject: AW: Mouse - strange bevaviour In-Reply-To: <23138.62.2.21.164.1067496967.squirrel@www.gwch.net> References: <000001c39bc7$b5ba2ba0$0500000a@agentsmith> <3F9C11F2.8010701@insight.rr.com> <23138.62.2.21.164.1067496967.squirrel@www.gwch.net> Message-ID: <31285.62.2.21.164.1067497387.squirrel@www.gwch.net> hmmm....still studying about this mouse thing and remembering the usb-thing (usb-hpci someting on kernel-boot). as i have a compaq proliant 1600 (think this has a smp-board - multiprocessor, but i am running one...) might it be possible, that my kernel has a problem?? i got the kernel which ends up with notl. Cheers, Roger > Now, i tried out, what i could. my mouse still laughs on me and insists > working. used gpm -t /dev/mouse -m imps2, i switched the ln -s from psaux > on psmouse, tried all with all mousedrivers deliverd by > redhat-config-boot. Reinstalled a new bios on the compag proliant 1600. > but none works :-( i really would like to get linux up-and-running on this > ancient piece... > > So, does anybody have any more ideas?? btw. was studying about installing > a local mouse instead of my kvm-switch's one...the same effect on the ps/2 > port....thinking about having a usb-mouse or a serial one...could this > perhaps be helpful?? (ah, yes, getting lots of usb-kernel-errors on > boot-time...) > > i think i'm gonna buy a converter ps/2 to usb, so i can connect my > ps/2-mouse to the usb-port of my computer....and hope it's getting > recognized... > > Cheers, > Roger > >> Grosswiler Roger wrote: >>> I'll try this....but howto? I was looking for redhat-config-boot...and >>> didn't find... >>> >> >> I had to install redhat-config-boot by running up2date >> redhat-config-boot from a root terminal. This installed the program. >> >> The program does not allow you to configure graphical boot or change the >> options for booting your kernels. So far you have to edit these by hand. >> >> redhat-config-boot only pops up a screen for you to be able to change >> the timeout and which kernel that you want to load by default. It would >> be nice to have the ability to select common options to change for the >> kernel load through this feature. >> >> You have to edit the file /boot/grub/grub.conf with a text editor, as >> root. You want remove the rhgb from the line below. Be very careful when >> you edit the line by hand. It is important for your system to come back >> up right on next boot. >> >> >> Since you only want to do this to test out your mouse stopping working. >> It would be best to hightlight the boot selection. Press e to edit the >> line. Then another e to be able to actually edit the line. Then >> backspace to get rid of the rhgb part of the line entry. .. Press b to >> boot after you remove the rhgb from the line. >> >> >> >> title Fedora Core (2.4.22-1.2108.nptl) >> root (hd1,0) >> kernel /vmlinuz-2.4.22-1.2108.nptl ro root=LABEL=/ hdd=ide-scsi >> rhgb >> initrd /initrd-2.4.22-1.2108.nptl.img >> >> >> >> By the way, I had a similar problem with my mouse working originally on >> startup and then freezing up. This was caused in my case by norton >> antivirus. It was on XP, so I don't think it is the same problem. There >> might be a Linux program that could cause a similar lockup for you. Mine >> was a problem that was only present in XP and not Linux, for locked >> mouse. >> >> >> Jim >> >> -- >> If you think things can't get worse it's probably only because you >> lack sufficient imagination. >> >> >> -- >> fedora-test-list mailing list >> fedora-test-list at redhat.com >> http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list >> > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > From mharris at redhat.com Thu Oct 30 07:03:09 2003 From: mharris at redhat.com (Mike A. Harris) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 02:03:09 -0500 (EST) Subject: Wireless In-Reply-To: <1067493906.8748.27.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1067493906.8748.27.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On Thu, 30 Oct 2003, David Zakar wrote: >2. ATI has binary drivers for the Radeon 9000 that you may want >to use. Go to ATI's website and grab 'em. That's an option of course, but not necessary. The distribution supplied driver very much does support and work with resolutions as high as the hardware supports. I use 1600x1200, and test with 1920x1440 and 2048x1536 as well. So changing video drivers isn't going to likely change anything. >The maximum resolution problem is tricky to resolve - could be a >lack of the resolution in the screen block, or bad refresh rate >settings for your monitor. Not really tricky at all. The X server log file will indicate directly what modes were rejected and why for every known built in video mode the X server supports. That information tells you why a video mode is not available, and is almost always due to misconfiguration or inability to autodetect hardware properly such as from using a KVM switch that blocks DDC, or having the monitor turned off during X server startup, etc. >From the command prompt, running: redhat-config-xfree86 --reconfig ... on the machine should result in a working video configuration with ability to use up to 2048x1536, although I don't remember what resolutions our config tool presents to users off hand, the X server and radeon video driver can max out the card's capabilities. All of this is assuming a CRT monitor. DFP panels may or may not work similarly, don't know as I don't have such hardware to test with. Hope this helps. -- Mike A. Harris ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris OS Systems Engineer - XFree86 maintainer - Red Hat From Mauri.Sahlberg at claymountain.com Thu Oct 30 07:26:21 2003 From: Mauri.Sahlberg at claymountain.com (Mauri Sahlberg) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 09:26:21 +0200 Subject: pgadmin 3? Message-ID: <1067498781.5152.6.camel@taekwondo> Hi, Has anyone compiled or installed pgadmin3-1.0.1 or pgadmin3-1.0.0 successfully? The rpm seems to require libcomm_err.so.3 which is not provided and the compilation from the source seems to require wx-config which is not provided either by any package. At least according to yum with my configuration. It seems that to get it work one would download wxWindows packages directly from wxwindows.org and install/compile them and then try to compile pgadmin3 again. This seems so much hassle that I would not bother if someone has already done it. Regards, -- CEO Claymountain Solutions Oy | "And the ship of the fools Technology Evangelist Pretax Systems Oy | sailed away..." From kaboom at gatech.edu Thu Oct 30 07:34:14 2003 From: kaboom at gatech.edu (Chris Ricker) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 02:34:14 -0500 (EST) Subject: will there be a tui user config In-Reply-To: <20031029164316.A21824@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <1067457663.29672.102.camel@zephyr> <1067458368.29885.24.camel@bfox.devel.redhat.com> <1067459187.29672.127.camel@zephyr> <20031029164316.A21824@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 29 Oct 2003, Michael K. Johnson wrote: > I think that the fact that SMIT had to do this was an indication that > the whole configuration process was wrongheaded from the start in AIX. > I have always felt that keeping a database and then overwriting a set > of functionally write-only config files was the worst combination of > possibilities available. (Yes, I was an AIX admin at one time, I'm > not just spouting off.) I'm curious about your take on redhat-config-printer, then ;-) I'll agree AIX configuration sucks. One thing SMIT does which is nice, though. You can have it show command-lines which it is running behind the scenes. Some aspects of SMC (Sun's java admin crapplet) are the same way. That's a nice feature in GUI admin tools for newbies b/c it lets them slowly learn the right way to do something if they want to migrate to the command line. later, chris From kawisan at telus.net Thu Oct 30 07:48:40 2003 From: kawisan at telus.net (ryan) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 00:48:40 -0700 Subject: host blocking on ftp.redhat.com? In-Reply-To: <1067473326.2445.4.camel@mdlinux> References: <1067447340.4361.2.camel@dakota.kawisan.com> <1067468607.4207.5.camel@dakota.kawisan.com> <1067473326.2445.4.camel@mdlinux> Message-ID: <1067500120.5065.10.camel@dakota.kawisan.com> On Wed, 2003-10-29 at 17:22, Marc Deslauriers wrote: > On Wed, 2003-10-29 at 18:03, ryan wrote: > > really hoping someone can offer insight. i just changed to my fourth IP > > because i'm having to do the one-by-one up2date process (hang issue on > > 'check dependencies' when selecting many packages at once) > > > > it worked up to about 10 minutes ago, but now ftp.redhat.com (rawhide) > > is not responding to any syn's from me when up2date goes to grab the > > header.info file. > > I had the same problem last weekend...I had to wait a day or two and > everything went back to normal. > > Marc. > thx for the response! i'm running out of IPs to use, but i'm convinced that there is an issue here. i've left it alone for 6 hours, came back - still no go. switched IP - bingo! i really truly hope this won't always be the case - probably won't experience this as much or at all when up2date gets the bugs worked out and i can mass-download all rpms at once thus making a single connection (give or take). wouldn't it seem prudent to remove this restriction for such a system, especially when it is likely to get beat on by an individual IP numerous times in a day...even more so during a test release? anyone from RH able to comment? cheers -ryan From rpjday at mindspring.com Thu Oct 30 07:55:22 2003 From: rpjday at mindspring.com (Robert P. J. Day) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 02:55:22 -0500 (EST) Subject: Arjan's 2.6-test9 and pcmcia wireless In-Reply-To: <1067487836.5570.8.camel@vaio.jumanjihouse.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 29 Oct 2003, Paul Morgan wrote: > Is anybody running a pcmcia wi-fi card under Arjan's 2.6 test kernel or > can point me in the right direction? > > My Linksys WPC-11 Version 3 pcmcia card works great under 2.4 but not > 2.6. > > interesting log entries from /var/log/messages when booting 2.6: > -- > kernel: ds: unable to create instance of 'orinoco_cs'! > cardmgr[4731]: Card Services release does not match -- snip -- hmmm ... the same card has been working for me for some time now, although i've been building my kernel from the source tree. i've never had to do any special config, it's just worked. anything you want me to check for you? send you a config file, perhaps? rday From kawisan at telus.net Thu Oct 30 08:15:56 2003 From: kawisan at telus.net (ryan) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 01:15:56 -0700 Subject: usb camera question In-Reply-To: <1067436003.17269.1.camel@bilbo.home.pecknet.com> References: <1067378095.6941.6.camel@ceebee.enganeer.com> <1067436003.17269.1.camel@bilbo.home.pecknet.com> Message-ID: <1067501756.5065.16.camel@dakota.kawisan.com> On Wed, 2003-10-29 at 07:00, Bill Peck wrote: > When you use insmod it doesn't load modules that may be needed as a > dependancy. You probably need video.o loaded. If you were to install > the quickcam.o module, run depmod -a and then use modprobe quickcam it > should load the correct modules. > hi. i thought i'd let you know that your suggestion worked perfectly. it looks like there may be a few bugs to work out quality-wise, but i can now see my ugly mug on the screen :-) many thanks for your assistance. -ryan Oct 30 01:08:46 dakota kernel: Linux video capture interface: v1.00 Oct 30 01:08:46 dakota kernel: usb.c: registered new driver quickcam Oct 30 01:08:46 dakota kernel: quickcam: QuickCam USB camera found (driver version QuickCam USB $Date: 2003/10/21 09:57:33 $) Oct 30 01:09:44 dakota kernel: quickcam: Bug detected in user program, use qcset compat=dblbuf Oct 30 01:10:41 dakota kernel: quickcam: frame lost Oct 30 01:10:42 dakota kernel: quickcam: Bug detected in user program, use qcset compat=dblbuf Oct 30 01:10:47 dakota kernel: quickcam: Bug detected in user program, use qcset compat=dblbuf Oct 30 01:11:27 dakota kernel: quickcam: frame lost Oct 30 01:12:34 dakota last message repeated 14 times From pauln at truemesh.com Thu Oct 30 08:26:59 2003 From: pauln at truemesh.com (Paul Nasrat) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 08:26:59 +0000 Subject: Arjan's 2.6-test9 and pcmcia wireless In-Reply-To: References: <1067487836.5570.8.camel@vaio.jumanjihouse.com> Message-ID: <20031030082658.GF5672@shitake.truemesh.com> On Thu, Oct 30, 2003 at 02:55:22AM -0500, Robert P. J. Day wrote: > On Wed, 29 Oct 2003, Paul Morgan wrote: > > kernel: ds: unable to create instance of 'orinoco_cs'! > hmmm ... the same card has been working for me for some time now, > although i've been building my kernel from the source tree. i've > never had to do any special config, it's just worked. Arjan's has been working for me with now special config up until about test8 with an orinoco, when they broke with the ds unable to create instance. I haven't had timed to debug properly yet. > anything you want me to check for you? send you a config file, > perhaps? Please, although not sure how much that'd help as it was working fine. I'll also see if I can see what changed between test7 and test8 configs if I can find copies of the src.rpms. Although this might not be possible as I've removed all other kernels. Paul From steve at rueb.com Thu Oct 30 09:26:42 2003 From: steve at rueb.com (Steve Bergman) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 03:26:42 -0600 Subject: Arjan's kernel 2.6-test9 and logitech usb mouse scroll wheel Message-ID: <1067506001.2935.18.camel@ip68-12-228-23.ok.ok.cox.net> I installed Arjan's 2.6-test9 kernel on my rawhide box and everything pretty much just worked. My Logitech cordless optical usb mouse works except I get no response from the scroll wheel. The only change is the kernel. With 2.4.22-1.2111.nptl it works fine.2.4.22-1.2111.nptl. Any ideas? From david.balazic at uni-mb.si Thu Oct 30 09:44:24 2003 From: david.balazic at uni-mb.si (DAVID BALAZIC) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 10:44:24 +0100 Subject: HD 40 GB - INFO REQUESTED Message-ID: <01L2FQQUW4OY000FK8@rcum.uni-mb.si> I am almost 100% certain, that the hard drive capacity is limited to 32G by a jumper. Check the jumper settings on the disk. cantisan wrote: >This is the result of information requested. > >[root@]# dmesg | grep -i hdd >ide1: BM-DMA at 0xb808-0xb80f, BIOS settings: hdc:DMA, >hdd:DMA >hdd: SAMSUNG SP0411N, ATA DISK drive >hdd: 66055248 sectors (33820 MB) w/2048KiB Cache, >CHS=4111/255/63, UDMA(33) [snip] -- David Balazic E-mail : david.balazic at uni-mb.si | living in sLOVEnija home page: http://surf.to/stein -- From steve at rueb.com Thu Oct 30 10:03:24 2003 From: steve at rueb.com (Steve Bergman) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 04:03:24 -0600 Subject: Arjan's kernel 2.6-test9 and logitech usb mouse scroll wheel In-Reply-To: <1067506001.2935.18.camel@ip68-12-228-23.ok.ok.cox.net> References: <1067506001.2935.18.camel@ip68-12-228-23.ok.ok.cox.net> Message-ID: <1067508203.2935.48.camel@ip68-12-228-23.ok.ok.cox.net> On Thu, 2003-10-30 at 03:26, Steve Bergman wrote: > I installed Arjan's 2.6-test9 kernel on my rawhide box and everything > pretty much just worked. My Logitech cordless optical usb mouse works > except I get no response from the scroll wheel. > > The only change is the kernel. With 2.4.22-1.2111.nptl it works > fine. > >From dmesg: mice: PS/2 mouse device common for all mice input: ImPS/2 Generic Wheel Mouse on isa0060/serio1 serio: i8042 AUX port at 0x60,0x64 irq 12 input: AT Translated Set 2 keyboard on isa0060/serio0 serio: i8042 KBD port at 0x60,0x64 irq 1 ----------------------------------------------------- >From XF86Config: Section "InputDevice" Identifier "Mouse0" Driver "mouse" Option "Protocol" "IMPS/2" Option "Device" "/dev/input/mice" Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5" Option "Emulate3Buttons" "no" EndSection Section "InputDevice" # If the normal CorePointer mouse is not a USB mouse then # this input device can be used in AlwaysCore mode to let you # also use USB mice at the same time. Identifier "DevInputMice" Driver "mouse" Option "Protocol" "IMPS/2" Option "Device" "/dev/input/mice" Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5" Option "Emulate3Buttons" "no" EndSection From david.balazic at uni-mb.si Thu Oct 30 10:09:26 2003 From: david.balazic at uni-mb.si (DAVID BALAZIC) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 11:09:26 +0100 Subject: Nvidia Driver Problems? Message-ID: <01L2FRLX8C48000FK8@rcum.uni-mb.si> David Zakar wrote: >Has anyone else been having odd nvidia driver problems lately? > >Observe: >[erwos at localhost erwos]$ glxinfo >name of display: :0.0 >Xlib: extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0". >display: :0 screen: 0 >direct rendering: No >server glx vendor string: NVIDIA Corporation >server glx version string: 1.3 Is this the complete glxinfo output ? AFAIK the nVidia drivers do not use DRI so you don't get DRI with them :-) Then there is the much discussed library problem ... [snip] -- David Balazic E-mail : david.balazic at uni-mb.si | living in sLOVEnija home page: http://surf.to/stein -- From pboy at barkhof.uni-bremen.de Thu Oct 30 10:13:50 2003 From: pboy at barkhof.uni-bremen.de (Peter Boy) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 11:13:50 +0100 Subject: (no subject) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1067508830.5301.3.camel@ibmLaptop.athome.de> Am Do, den 30.10.2003 schrieb selda um 06:52: > Another problem I have is the screen resolution. I don't know why but the > maximum resolution I can select is 1024x768. I have ATI Radeon 9000 pro > video card. You should start redhat-config-xfree86 (either as root from a terminal window or from the panel menue -> System -> Video). choose the Tab "Hardware" and check the monitor type. The Installation programm in some cases uses the wrong monitor, esp. if you have a laptop or LCD panel. Check the configuration values for the video controller as well. Peter > > Last problem is with the sound. My sound card was detected but the sound > test failed. I have SoundMax Integrated Audio > > Thanks for your help - selda > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > From pboy at barkhof.uni-bremen.de Thu Oct 30 10:23:17 2003 From: pboy at barkhof.uni-bremen.de (Peter Boy) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 11:23:17 +0100 Subject: Up2date hangs caused by redhat-config-network packages In-Reply-To: <1067475144.5798.3.camel@gstpc.earthlink.net> References: <1067475144.5798.3.camel@gstpc.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <1067509397.5301.12.camel@ibmLaptop.athome.de> Am Do, den 30.10.2003 schrieb Gerry Tool um 01:52: > I persisted in using up2date to try to get all of today's updates, and > found that the packages causing the hangs after download are the two > redhat-config-network packages. Everything else installed successfully. This is due to a well known problem with up2date not beeing able to resolve dependencies under some circumstances. While running up2date you should watch tail -f /var/log/up2date. If I remember correctly, the new redhat-conf* packages depend on libmd5, which is part of the w3c-libwww-5.4.0-7 and the corresponding devel package, which might not be installed on your system. (check wich rpm -qa | grep w3c in a terminal window). You can install those packages using up2date install w3c-libwww. With these packages installed up2date will update redhat-config-* quite fine. May be, you should not use update-4.1.12-1, but stay with an older one. The current version on rawhide did make thinks even worse for me. Peter From lists at reforge.fi Thu Oct 30 10:27:50 2003 From: lists at reforge.fi (Lauri Jutila) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 12:27:50 +0200 Subject: OO won't create/open documents Message-ID: <1067509670.5436.21.camel@localhost.localdomain> What's wrong with my system? OpenOffice won't create or open any OO documents. When I try to create or open a document, it'll show a filter selection window and after selecting or not selecting a filter, the window happily closes and nothing happens. This occurs with OO versions 1.1.0-3 and Jakub's "optimized" 1.1.0-4. I have these packages installed: * openoffice.org-1.1.0-3 * openoffice.org-libs-1.1.0-3 * openoffice.org-i18n-1.1.0-3 Am I missing something here or has anybody else had similar problems? OO *used* to work fine. -- Lauri Jutila Chief Linux Fellow, Reforge lists at reforge.fi http://www.reforge.fi From andreas.sartori at fh-sbg.ac.at Thu Oct 30 10:44:06 2003 From: andreas.sartori at fh-sbg.ac.at (Andreas Sartori) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 11:44:06 +0100 Subject: problem with rhgb Message-ID: <3FA0EB76.5060005@fh-sbg.ac.at> i have some problem with the rhgb. after installing a new kernel module rhgb doenst startup anymore. ill just get the "normal" boot screen. anyone experienced the same problem? -andy -- -------------------------------------------------------- andreas sartori system management information & network technologies redhat certified engineer fh salzburg fachhochschulgesellschaft mbh schillerstra?e 30 5020 salzburg austria tel. +43 662 4665 652 / fax 659 http://www.fh-sbg.ac.at/int/ From fedora at andrewfarris.com Thu Oct 30 10:49:47 2003 From: fedora at andrewfarris.com (Andrew Farris) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 02:49:47 -0800 Subject: Arjan's kernel 2.6-test9 and logitech usb mouse scroll wheel In-Reply-To: <1067508203.2935.48.camel@ip68-12-228-23.ok.ok.cox.net> References: <1067506001.2935.18.camel@ip68-12-228-23.ok.ok.cox.net> <1067508203.2935.48.camel@ip68-12-228-23.ok.ok.cox.net> Message-ID: <1067510987.7880.4.camel@CirithUngol> On Thu, 2003-10-30 at 02:03, Steve Bergman wrote: > On Thu, 2003-10-30 at 03:26, Steve Bergman wrote: > > I installed Arjan's 2.6-test9 kernel on my rawhide box and everything > > pretty much just worked. My Logitech cordless optical usb mouse works > > except I get no response from the scroll wheel. > > > > The only change is the kernel. With 2.4.22-1.2111.nptl it works > > fine. > > > > > > >From dmesg: > > mice: PS/2 mouse device common for all mice > input: ImPS/2 Generic Wheel Mouse on isa0060/serio1 > serio: i8042 AUX port at 0x60,0x64 irq 12 > input: AT Translated Set 2 keyboard on isa0060/serio0 > serio: i8042 KBD port at 0x60,0x64 irq 1 > > ----------------------------------------------------- > > >From XF86Config: > > Section "InputDevice" > Identifier "Mouse0" > Driver "mouse" > Option "Protocol" "IMPS/2" > Option "Device" "/dev/input/mice" > Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5" > Option "Emulate3Buttons" "no" > EndSection > > Section "InputDevice" > > # If the normal CorePointer mouse is not a USB mouse then > # this input device can be used in AlwaysCore mode to let you > # also use USB mice at the same time. > Identifier "DevInputMice" > Driver "mouse" > Option "Protocol" "IMPS/2" > Option "Device" "/dev/input/mice" > Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5" > Option "Emulate3Buttons" "no" > EndSection Using this Protocol driver, IMPS/2, my Microsoft Explorer 3.0 (5 button + wheel) needs the xmodmap changed to place the wheel functions on the wheel rather than the 4 and 5 buttons. I don't really understand how this work, just that I do it. I also have my mouse in 7 button mode, using the setup: Section "InputDevice" Identifier "Mouse0" Driver "mouse" Option "Protocol" "IMPS/2" Option "Device" "/dev/input/mice" Option "Buttons" "7" Option "ZAxisMapping" "6 7" Option "Emulate3Buttons" "no" # Option "DragLockButtons" "4" EndSection Then when X starts up, I set xmodmap in .bashrc (or .bash_profile, I'm sure there is a better place to do it too, but .xinitrc doesn't work in gnome logged in) xmodmap -e "pointer = 1 2 3 6 7 4 5" but, if you've only got 3 buttons + wheel try: xmodmap -e "pointer = 1 2 4 5 3" (of course the aforementioned is highly suspect to error, and mostly gleaned from man pages I hardly understood, it works for me tho) > > > > > > > > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list -- Andrew Farris From fedora at andrewfarris.com Thu Oct 30 10:53:26 2003 From: fedora at andrewfarris.com (Andrew Farris) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 02:53:26 -0800 Subject: Nvidia Driver Problems? In-Reply-To: <01L2FRLX8C48000FK8@rcum.uni-mb.si> References: <01L2FRLX8C48000FK8@rcum.uni-mb.si> Message-ID: <1067511205.7880.8.camel@CirithUngol> On Thu, 2003-10-30 at 02:09, DAVID BALAZIC wrote: > David Zakar wrote: > > >Has anyone else been having odd nvidia driver problems lately? > > > >Observe: > >[erwos at localhost erwos]$ glxinfo > >name of display: :0.0 > >Xlib: extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0". > >display: :0 screen: 0 > >direct rendering: No > >server glx vendor string: NVIDIA Corporation > >server glx version string: 1.3 > > Is this the complete glxinfo output ? > > AFAIK the nVidia drivers do not use DRI so you don't get DRI with them :-) > > Then there is the much discussed library problem ... > > [snip] As I understand, this IS the library problem, caused by the Mesa-libGL getting found before the nVidia libGL. (perhaps I'm confused, but I have seen the Xlib: .. XFree86-DRI error go away when correcting my libs.. i.e. removing Mesa-libGL) Its also possible you've still got the Load "DRI" line uncommented in XF86Config. -- Andrew Farris From steve at rueb.com Thu Oct 30 11:23:13 2003 From: steve at rueb.com (Steve Bergman) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 05:23:13 -0600 Subject: Arjan's kernel 2.6-test9 and logitech usb mouse scroll wheel In-Reply-To: <1067510987.7880.4.camel@CirithUngol> References: <1067506001.2935.18.camel@ip68-12-228-23.ok.ok.cox.net> <1067508203.2935.48.camel@ip68-12-228-23.ok.ok.cox.net> <1067510987.7880.4.camel@CirithUngol> Message-ID: <1067512993.4346.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2003-10-30 at 04:49, Andrew Farris wrote: > On Thu, 2003-10-30 at 02:03, Steve Bergman wrote: > > On Thu, 2003-10-30 at 03:26, Steve Bergman wrote: > > > I installed Arjan's 2.6-test9 kernel on my rawhide box and everything > > > pretty much just worked. My Logitech cordless optical usb mouse works > > > except I get no response from the scroll wheel. > > > > > > The only change is the kernel. With 2.4.22-1.2111.nptl it works > > > fine. > > > > > Well, the usb printer was not working either. I ended up hard coding '/sbin/modprobe uhci_hcd' in rc.sysinit to make that work and now the mouse wheel works. I've never really understood how all the usb stuff fits together, but I'm wondering how my mouse was working at all without the usb host device module loaded. BTW, just changing the module alias in /etc/modules.conf to point to uhci_hcd doesn't work. From pboy at barkhof.uni-bremen.de Thu Oct 30 11:29:08 2003 From: pboy at barkhof.uni-bremen.de (Peter Boy) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 12:29:08 +0100 Subject: problem with rhgb In-Reply-To: <3FA0EB76.5060005@fh-sbg.ac.at> References: <3FA0EB76.5060005@fh-sbg.ac.at> Message-ID: <1067513347.5323.1.camel@ibmLaptop.athome.de> Am Do, den 30.10.2003 schrieb Andreas Sartori um 11:44: > after installing a new kernel module > rhgb doenst startup anymore. ill just get the "normal" boot screen. > > anyone experienced the same problem? Same here. You have to add rhgb as an boot option to the /boot/grub/grub.conf file (e.g. after the ro parameter). Doing so it works fine again. Peter From rpjday at mindspring.com Thu Oct 30 11:37:40 2003 From: rpjday at mindspring.com (Robert P. J. Day) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 06:37:40 -0500 (EST) Subject: who else is doing all this on an inspiron 8100? Message-ID: i vaguely recall (hopefully on this list) someone who had installed FCT on an inspiron 8100, and had succeeded in getting sound, ACPI, 2.6 kernel and all that good stuff working. i'm still in the process of some of that, so i'm interested in hearing from anyone who's done this, feel free to email me off line and we can chat and share stories. any pointers to web pages covering this specific configuration also appreciated. rday From fedora at andrewfarris.com Thu Oct 30 11:58:03 2003 From: fedora at andrewfarris.com (Andrew Farris) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 03:58:03 -0800 Subject: Arjan's kernel 2.6-test9 and logitech usb mouse scroll wheel In-Reply-To: <1067512993.4346.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1067506001.2935.18.camel@ip68-12-228-23.ok.ok.cox.net> <1067508203.2935.48.camel@ip68-12-228-23.ok.ok.cox.net> <1067510987.7880.4.camel@CirithUngol> <1067512993.4346.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1067515082.7880.16.camel@CirithUngol> On Thu, 2003-10-30 at 03:23, Steve Bergman wrote: > On Thu, 2003-10-30 at 04:49, Andrew Farris wrote: > > On Thu, 2003-10-30 at 02:03, Steve Bergman wrote: > > > On Thu, 2003-10-30 at 03:26, Steve Bergman wrote: > > > > I installed Arjan's 2.6-test9 kernel on my rawhide box and everything > > > > pretty much just worked. My Logitech cordless optical usb mouse works > > > > except I get no response from the scroll wheel. > > > > > > > > The only change is the kernel. With 2.4.22-1.2111.nptl it works > > > > fine. > > > > > > > > > Well, the usb printer was not working either. I ended up hard coding > '/sbin/modprobe uhci_hcd' in rc.sysinit to make that work and now the > mouse wheel works. I've never really understood how all the usb stuff > fits together, but I'm wondering how my mouse was working at all without > the usb host device module loaded. > > BTW, just changing the module alias in /etc/modules.conf to point to > uhci_hcd doesn't work. No, the modules.conf is not the active module configuration with 2.6, its modprobe.conf instead. Also, the configuration by default for RedHat seems to load the bootp usb drivers for keyboard and mouse by the aliases at the bottom of the file (which may be why it works without the full HID). install hid /sbin/modprobe --ignore-install hid && { /sbin/modprobe keybdev; /sbin/modprobe mousedev; /bin/true; } remove hid { /sbin/modprobe -r keybdev; /sbin/modprobe -r mousedev; } ; /sbin/modprobe -r --ignore-remove hid I've got similar workarounds for my 2.6 kernel (to the hardcoded module load you've got), as well as an attempt to determine which kernel is running (in sysinit) before loading modules for usb, and using different module names. Its messy at present and the basic modprobe.conf created by generate-modprobe.conf doesn't work very well. At present, I'm compiling the kernel source with the modules built in, as well as alsa and ntfs support. Doing a custom build off the arjanv kernel-source is probably the best way to go anyway. > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list -- Andrew Farris From fedora at warmcat.com Thu Oct 30 12:02:32 2003 From: fedora at warmcat.com (Andy Green) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 12:02:32 +0000 Subject: who else is doing all this on an inspiron 8100? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200310301202.33702.fedora@warmcat.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday 30 October 2003 11:37, Robert P. J. Day wrote: > i vaguely recall (hopefully on this list) someone who had > installed FCT on an inspiron 8100, and had succeeded in getting > sound, ACPI, 2.6 kernel and all that good stuff working. i'm > still in the process of some of that, so i'm interested in > hearing from anyone who's done this, feel free to email me > off line and we can chat and share stories. FWIW I am up and very happy on an Inspiron 5150, updated to latest up2date stuff from a test2 install... and listening to Lene Marlin via Alsa and headphones to block out the sound of my kids frolicking at Half Term :-O A slight shadow of closedness from Dell means there is no way to get S/PDIF up in Linux currently, otherwise its fine. 2.6test9 is working, but I cannot recook the nvidia drivers even with the minion.de patches, so I am running the latest RH 2.4, since I need twinview. nvidia's drivers are definitely the sore thumb of proprietaryness. Important tip.... the synaptics XF86 driver worked great on my Inspiron8000 but for whatever reason causes hard lockups on the 5150, so don't bother. - -Andy -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/oP3YjKeDCxMJCTIRAh3ZAJ4rELNvPwuheJEilFa7g6vWBUlbkwCfWO5r Wa37F74rJl7ugzUsGvuCYlY= =thMy -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From paul.morgan at jumanjihouse.com Thu Oct 30 12:21:09 2003 From: paul.morgan at jumanjihouse.com (Paul Morgan) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 06:21:09 -0600 Subject: Arjan's 2.6-test9 and pcmcia wireless In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1067516468.5570.38.camel@vaio.jumanjihouse.com> On Thu, 2003-10-30 at 01:55, Robert P. J. Day wrote: > anything you want me to check for you? send you a config file, > perhaps? That'd be great. The files of interest are /etc/modprobe.conf (alias eth1 orinoco_cs) and /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/{ifcfg-eth1,eth1-keys}, right? Do you change anything in /etc/pcmcia/ ? FWIW, I typically do not use r-c-network, so I `rm -fr /etc/sysconfig/networking/{devices,profiles}/*` Thanks, -paul From rpjday at mindspring.com Thu Oct 30 12:21:17 2003 From: rpjday at mindspring.com (Robert P. J. Day) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 07:21:17 -0500 (EST) Subject: who else is doing all this on an inspiron 8100? In-Reply-To: <200310301202.33702.fedora@warmcat.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 30 Oct 2003, Andy Green wrote: > 2.6test9 is working, but I cannot recook the nvidia drivers even with the > minion.de patches, so I am running the latest RH 2.4, since I need twinview. > nvidia's drivers are definitely the sore thumb of proprietaryness. > > Important tip.... the synaptics XF86 driver worked great on my Inspiron8000 > but for whatever reason causes hard lockups on the 5150, so don't bother. although i've seen several solutions for building the latest nvidia drivers (involving setting CC and IGNORE_CC_MISMATCH, etc.), i've been doing the same thing for months and it's never failed. i download the .run file from nvidia, and run it with "--extract-only" to unload the contents. then i patch with the stuff from www.minion.de. finally, at the top level of that extracted directory, i run (as root) # make install i have yet to have a problem, and this technique has worked all through RH 9, FC and 2.4 and 2.6 kernels. like they say, if it ain't broke, don't fix it. (or is that, if it ain't broke, it needs an upgrade?) rday From nosp at xades.com Thu Oct 30 12:34:32 2003 From: nosp at xades.com (nosp) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 12:34:32 +0000 Subject: host blocking on ftp.redhat.com? In-Reply-To: <1067500120.5065.10.camel@dakota.kawisan.com> References: <1067447340.4361.2.camel@dakota.kawisan.com> <1067468607.4207.5.camel@dakota.kawisan.com> <1067473326.2445.4.camel@mdlinux> <1067500120.5065.10.camel@dakota.kawisan.com> Message-ID: <1067517272.2642.4.camel@earth.xades.com> On Thu, 2003-10-30 at 07:48, ryan wrote: > wouldn't it seem prudent to remove this restriction for such a system, > especially when it is likely to get beat on by an individual IP numerous > times in a day...even more so during a test release? anyone from RH > able to comment? Are you sure you didn't leave open connections around when you had your "hang issue"? I don't think a limit of 3 connections per IP is unreasonable. From paul.morgan at jumanjihouse.com Thu Oct 30 12:45:57 2003 From: paul.morgan at jumanjihouse.com (Paul Morgan) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 06:45:57 -0600 Subject: Arjan's 2.6-test9 and pcmcia wireless In-Reply-To: <20031030082658.GF5672@shitake.truemesh.com> References: <1067487836.5570.8.camel@vaio.jumanjihouse.com> <20031030082658.GF5672@shitake.truemesh.com> Message-ID: <1067517957.5570.10.camel@vaio.jumanjihouse.com> On Thu, 2003-10-30 at 02:26, Paul Nasrat wrote: > On Thu, Oct 30, 2003 at 02:55:22AM -0500, Robert P. J. Day wrote: > > On Wed, 29 Oct 2003, Paul Morgan wrote: > > > > kernel: ds: unable to create instance of 'orinoco_cs'! > > > hmmm ... the same card has been working for me for some time now, > > although i've been building my kernel from the source tree. i've > > never had to do any special config, it's just worked. > > Arjan's has been working for me with now special config up until about > test8 with an orinoco, when they broke with the ds unable to create > instance. I haven't had timed to debug properly yet. Does your card quietly fail to power up? `cardctl ident` reports "No such device" `service pcmcia status` reports "stopped" /var/log/messages shows at startup: kernel: Linux Kernel Card Services kernel: options: [pci] [cardbus] [pm] From davej at redhat.com Thu Oct 30 13:10:35 2003 From: davej at redhat.com (Dave Jones) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 13:10:35 +0000 Subject: Laptop Mode In-Reply-To: <1067446675.781.27.camel@celery> References: <1067399164.1823.10.camel@chastain> <200310301334.30694.hoyt@cavtel.net> <1067446675.781.27.camel@celery> Message-ID: <20031030131035.GC8697@redhat.com> On Wed, Oct 29, 2003 at 08:57:56AM -0800, Heiko Jones wrote: > What does it do exactly and how is it enabled in the kernel? Alters the VM/block layer write-out frequency, and changes things so if the disk gets spun up for a read, all pending writes also get flushed. Result: more battery life. The apm scripts automatically adjust this when you insert/remove power (or boot on battery). Something I haven't tested is whether this works on ACPI. > I did not see anything in the release notes, and remember it being disabled > somewhere along 0.94. That turned out to be a problem with a related patch (the blkaam patch which adjusts the accoustic level of a drive depending on how much its being used). Some drives didn't like that, so it got dropped, and laptop-mode came back. Due to time constraints for test3 we dropped both patches to be on the safe side. Dave From usdanskys at rocketmail.com Thu Oct 30 13:29:06 2003 From: usdanskys at rocketmail.com (Steven Usdansky) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 07:29:06 -0600 Subject: pgadmin3 In-Reply-To: <20031030073001.31542.69837.Mailman@listman.back-rdu.redhat.com> References: <20031030073001.31542.69837.Mailman@listman.back-rdu.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20031030072906.2136fc14.usdanskys@rocketmail.com> rpm -ivh --nodeps pgadmin3-1.0.1-1.i386.rpm /lib# ln -s libcom_err.so.2.1 libcom_err.so.3 Now if I can just get synaptic to recognize that pgadmin3 is not broken... -- Steven I. Usdansky, PhD Traveling Geologist From chrisw01 at privatei.com Thu Oct 30 13:50:27 2003 From: chrisw01 at privatei.com (Christopher A. Williams) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 06:50:27 -0700 Subject: Toshiba Atheros Wi-Fi in Fedora? Message-ID: <1067521827.16005.4.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> I have a friend that just bought a Toshiba Satellite P25-S609 laptop. Awesome looking machine, BTW! I was checking linux compatibility for it sine I might have to convince myself to buy one now... . It has an integrated Atheros 802.11a/g Wi-Fi chip and a software modem, as well as an NVidia GeForce series video with a 17"diagonal screen (16:9 format) and TV tuner. I noticed there are Atheros drivers on Sourceforge now, but I wasn't sure that had made it into Fedora Core yet. Are they there? Anyone have any other experience with this series of laptop that can comment? Cheers, Chris -- ==================================== "If you get to thinkin' you're a person of some influence, try orderin' someone else's dog around." --Cowboy Wisdom From andreas.sartori at fh-sbg.ac.at Thu Oct 30 13:59:01 2003 From: andreas.sartori at fh-sbg.ac.at (Andreas Sartori) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 14:59:01 +0100 Subject: problem with rhgb In-Reply-To: <1067513347.5323.1.camel@ibmLaptop.athome.de> References: <3FA0EB76.5060005@fh-sbg.ac.at> <1067513347.5323.1.camel@ibmLaptop.athome.de> Message-ID: <3FA11925.10409@fh-sbg.ac.at> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davej at redhat.com Thu Oct 30 14:02:36 2003 From: davej at redhat.com (Dave Jones) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 14:02:36 +0000 Subject: Toshiba Atheros Wi-Fi in Fedora? In-Reply-To: <1067521827.16005.4.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> References: <1067521827.16005.4.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> Message-ID: <20031030140236.GB10823@redhat.com> On Thu, Oct 30, 2003 at 06:50:27AM -0700, Christopher A. Williams wrote: > I noticed there are Atheros drivers on Sourceforge now, but I wasn't > sure that had made it into Fedora Core yet. Are they there? Anyone have > any other experience with this series of laptop that can comment? To the best of my knowledge, those drivers are part binary ? Dave From dstewart at atl.lmco.com Thu Oct 30 14:04:50 2003 From: dstewart at atl.lmco.com (Doug Stewart) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 09:04:50 -0500 Subject: Up2date hangs caused by redhat-config-network packages In-Reply-To: <1067509397.5301.12.camel@ibmLaptop.athome.de> References: <1067475144.5798.3.camel@gstpc.earthlink.net> <1067509397.5301.12.camel@ibmLaptop.athome.de> Message-ID: <3FA11A82.3080104@atl.lmco.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Peter Boy wrote: | This is due to a well known problem with up2date not beeing able to | resolve dependencies under some circumstances. While running up2date you | should watch tail -f /var/log/up2date. | This has not been my experience. Rather, this seems to be due to a syncing error. The packages don't actually exist on the RH server, thus up2date retrieves a 404 message instead of an RPM. When rpm goes to install a 404 message, it obviously fails. I downloaded and installed these two packages by hand and everything's copacetic. I would suggest a similar course of action for all concerned by this error. - -- - ---------- Doug Stewart Systems Administrator/Web Applications Developer Lockheed Martin Advanced Technology Labs dstewart at atl.lmco.com Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/oRqBN50Q8DVvcvkRAofhAJ4gawhe4xR+ke3/UWg07naAR+HI7gCeO23J r9lJWT3X6/lKiNS5PdU2Wn8= =K3td -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From pboy at barkhof.uni-bremen.de Thu Oct 30 13:07:02 2003 From: pboy at barkhof.uni-bremen.de (Peter Boy) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 14:07:02 +0100 Subject: Toshiba Atheros Wi-Fi in Fedora? In-Reply-To: <1067521827.16005.4.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> References: <1067521827.16005.4.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> Message-ID: <1067519222.5231.15.camel@ibmLaptop.athome.de> Am Do, den 30.10.2003 schrieb Christopher A. Williams um 14:50: > I noticed there are Atheros drivers on Sourceforge now, but I wasn't > sure that had made it into Fedora Core yet. The soruceforge MadWifi project uses a hal library (closed sources) which is delivered by atheros. The Fedora project rules might prevent such a stuff to be included. Besides that currently all their stuff is early beta. Peter From dstewart at atl.lmco.com Thu Oct 30 14:11:37 2003 From: dstewart at atl.lmco.com (Doug Stewart) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 09:11:37 -0500 Subject: problem with rhgb In-Reply-To: <3FA11925.10409@fh-sbg.ac.at> References: <3FA0EB76.5060005@fh-sbg.ac.at> <1067513347.5323.1.camel@ibmLaptop.athome.de> <3FA11925.10409@fh-sbg.ac.at> Message-ID: <3FA11C19.3010705@atl.lmco.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Andreas Sartori wrote: | hey, | | i have this in my grub.conf but it is not working.. | | title Fedora Core (2.4.22-1.2111.nptl) | root (hd0,0) | kernel /vmlinuz-2.4.22-1.2111.nptl ro,rhgb root=LABEL=/ | initrd /initrd-2.4.22-1.2111.nptl.img | | | its neither working with ro,rhgb nor ro rhgb. | | can you please tell me the correct syntax, would be nice. | dont know why but it doenst seem to work, its a dumb problem i know | but i dont know how to solve it | Append rhgb to the end of your line. This works for me. It would be: ~ kernel /vmlinuz-2.4.22-1.2111.nptl ro root=LABEL=/ rhgb for you. (For me, it comes right after an "hdc=ide-scsi" that's at the end of the line). - -- - ---------- Doug Stewart Systems Administrator/Web Applications Developer Lockheed Martin Advanced Technology Labs dstewart at atl.lmco.com Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/oRwZN50Q8DVvcvkRAmmxAJ49ITzaaPHkyXOIUAlJyNvKffg9LQCbBCcq SKu8X0NVgtcgy9Y8bKelrnM= =6rOO -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From whooperhsd3 at earthlink.net Thu Oct 30 14:15:24 2003 From: whooperhsd3 at earthlink.net (William Hooper) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 09:15:24 -0500 (EST) Subject: Up2date hangs caused by redhat-config-network packages In-Reply-To: <1067509397.5301.12.camel@ibmLaptop.athome.de> References: <1067475144.5798.3.camel@gstpc.earthlink.net> <1067509397.5301.12.camel@ibmLaptop.athome.de> Message-ID: <4370.12.29.16.103.1067523324.squirrel@12.29.16.103> Peter Boy said: > Am Do, den 30.10.2003 schrieb Gerry Tool um 01:52: >> I persisted in using up2date to try to get all of today's updates, and >> found that the packages causing the hangs after download are the two >> redhat-config-network packages. Everything else installed successfully. > > This is due to a well known problem with up2date not beeing able to > resolve dependencies under some circumstances. While running up2date you > should watch tail -f /var/log/up2date. Someone @redhat.com said they were having sync issues. Most people reporting this actually have HTML pages that get downloaded (404 errors), but if you go to http://ftp.redhat.com you can download the file correctly. Sounds like the headers are out of sync with the file locations. -- William Hooper From fedora at warmcat.com Wed Oct 29 09:32:10 2003 From: fedora at warmcat.com (Andy Green) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 09:32:10 +0000 Subject: Help me to configure XF86Config for TV-out In-Reply-To: <200310281227.14706.alex@taipang.com> References: <200310281227.14706.alex@taipang.com> Message-ID: <200310290932.11610.fedora@warmcat.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Tuesday 28 October 2003 07:27, Alor wrote: > Help me to configure XF86Config for display video on TV using tv-out of my > card. Hm, what kind of video card.... it makes a big difference since the selection of TV out is controlled by the video driver, and they all have different ways AFAIK. If you're using the nvidia driver, read the copious release notes which does describe how to do this. Otherwise have a poke around http://www.xfree86.org - -Andy -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/n4kajKeDCxMJCTIRAnTgAKCOMuGLFH6q40SO8td+vbgPQ2QnLACffYQw DcBKl/i8vt7W0XSpRjbkZ10= =9CoG -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From pboy at barkhof.uni-bremen.de Thu Oct 30 13:34:02 2003 From: pboy at barkhof.uni-bremen.de (Peter Boy) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 14:34:02 +0100 Subject: problem with rhgb In-Reply-To: <3FA11925.10409@fh-sbg.ac.at> References: <3FA0EB76.5060005@fh-sbg.ac.at> <1067513347.5323.1.camel@ibmLaptop.athome.de> <3FA11925.10409@fh-sbg.ac.at> Message-ID: <1067520842.5231.18.camel@ibmLaptop.athome.de> Am Do, den 30.10.2003 schrieb Andreas Sartori um 14:59: > i have this in my grub.conf but it is not working.. > > title Fedora Core (2.4.22-1.2111.nptl) > root (hd0,0) > kernel /vmlinuz-2.4.22-1.2111.nptl ro,rhgb root=LABEL=/ > initrd /initrd-2.4.22-1.2111.nptl.img > > > its neither working with ro,rhgb nor ro rhgb. > > can you please tell me the correct syntax, would be nice. > dont know why but it doenst seem to work, its a dumb problem i know > but i dont know how to solve it wondering about it. my grub.conf reads: title Fedora Core (2.4.22-1.2111.nptl) root (hd0,2) kernel /vmlinuz-2.4.22-1.2111.nptl ro rhgb root=/dev/Volume00/Test hdc=ide-scsi initrd /initrd-2.4.22-1.2111.nptl.img and anything works just fine. Peter From adamo97 at comcast.net Thu Oct 30 14:43:04 2003 From: adamo97 at comcast.net (Adam Scarcella) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 09:43:04 -0500 Subject: Arjan's 2.6-test9 and pcmcia wireless Message-ID: I have the same problem. Using an IBM High Rate Wireless LAN. My hardware browser sees the card, but assigns it the wrong device alias. Redhat-config-network doesn?t recognize it at all. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From reader at newsguy.com Thu Oct 30 14:49:10 2003 From: reader at newsguy.com (Harry Putnam) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 08:49:10 -0600 Subject: Build emacs from sources fails on compiler Message-ID: Setup: test3 updated to 10/28 (athlon-tbird (1.3gh) I remember seeing some mention of emacs problems awhile ago here. Trying to compile emacs from cvs sources fails with these error messages: [root at exp emacs]# ./configure checking build system type... i686-pc-linux-gnu checking host system type... i686-pc-linux-gnu checking for gcc... gcc checking for C compiler default output... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables See `config.log' for more details. Does this ring a bell with anyone? From johnsonm at redhat.com Thu Oct 30 14:49:36 2003 From: johnsonm at redhat.com (Michael K. Johnson) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 09:49:36 -0500 Subject: Testing current rawhide... Message-ID: <20031030094936.A3127@devserv.devel.redhat.com> We're at the point of cutting candidate trees for the release, so testing current rawhide would be VERY useful. In particular, the 2.4.22-1.2115.nptl kernel is a new build and could use hammering, and the installer has changed and testing the images would be great; nfs, ftp, and http installs should all work. Other packages that we'd like last-minute testing on include samba, apache, bind, sendmail, ntp, mozilla, openoffice.org, and gnome-terminal. Be aware that we're looking specifically for SERIOUS AND MAJOR REGRESSIONS, not for annoyances you didn't think to file in bugzilla before. We are looking for (and hoping not to hear) "Monday's kernel works, today my machine crashes on boot" or "test3's samba served content, today it doesn't" or that kind of thing. Thank you, michaelkjohnson "He that composes himself is wiser than he that composes a book." Linux Application Development -- Ben Franklin http://people.redhat.com/johnsonm/lad/ From pboy at barkhof.uni-bremen.de Thu Oct 30 13:53:28 2003 From: pboy at barkhof.uni-bremen.de (Peter Boy) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 14:53:28 +0100 Subject: Up2date hangs caused by redhat-config-network packages In-Reply-To: <3FA11A82.3080104@atl.lmco.com> References: <1067475144.5798.3.camel@gstpc.earthlink.net> <1067509397.5301.12.camel@ibmLaptop.athome.de> <3FA11A82.3080104@atl.lmco.com> Message-ID: <1067522007.5231.31.camel@ibmLaptop.athome.de> Am Do, den 30.10.2003 schrieb Doug Stewart um 15:04: > Peter Boy wrote: > | This is due to a well known problem with up2date not beeing able to > | resolve dependencies under some circumstances. While running up2date you > | should watch tail -f /var/log/up2date. > | > > This has not been my experience. Rather, this seems to be due to a > syncing error. The packages don't actually exist on the RH server, thus > up2date retrieves a 404 message instead of an RPM. When rpm goes to > install a 404 message, it obviously fails. See bug 107 921. Would be nice if someone at redhat could comment on that. May be a sync problem. But if you use different versions of up2date at the same time, you will get different results with the very same rawhide repository. Currently it's very bad for me with version 4.1.12-1, which hangs after selecting any number of packages for an update, showing all the *debuginfo packages in it's window. But version 4.1.5-1 works fine. Nevertheless, *one* (among others) workaround is to watch /etc/log/up2date for those packages which are checked for dependencies. Typical entry is: [Thu Oct 30 01:28:23 2003] up2date solving dep for: ['libcrlayeng.so.1', 'libcroco.so.1', 'libcrseleng.so.1', 'libmd5.so.0', 'chkconfig'] You should check if every package is installed on the system. Otherwise you may abort up2date, install it manually and then retry. (For me libmd5 was missing). Peter From paul at frields.com Thu Oct 30 15:08:32 2003 From: paul at frields.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 10:08:32 -0500 Subject: Up2Date still having problems... In-Reply-To: <20031029230835.10858.qmail@web10705.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20031029230835.10858.qmail@web10705.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1067526512.8431.1.camel@bettie.internal.frields.org> On Wed, 2003-10-29 at 18:08, James J. Ramsey wrote: > > > What I wonder is how come the blue checkmark in > > the > > > RHN applet never turns red when updates are > > available? > > > > Must be a local configuration problem on your end; > > mine works fine on my > > net-connected testing box. Have you checked your > > /etc/sysconfig/rhn/sources? Check the archive for > > hints if necessary. > > FWIW, there's only one line in > /etc/sysconfig/rhn/sources that isn't a comment: > > yum rawhide > http://ftp.redhat.com/pub/redhat/linux/rawhide/ Same as mine. There is a designated check-in interval in /etc/sysconfig/rhn/rhnsd, usually 240 (minutes)... mine was working this morning per usual. Perhaps someone else has some ideas. I would take this to fedora-list instead as it doesn't seem to be bug related. Good luck and cheers. -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE From johnsonm at redhat.com Thu Oct 30 15:12:45 2003 From: johnsonm at redhat.com (Michael K. Johnson) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 10:12:45 -0500 Subject: will there be a tui user config In-Reply-To: ; from kaboom@gatech.edu on Thu, Oct 30, 2003 at 02:34:14AM -0500 References: <1067457663.29672.102.camel@zephyr> <1067458368.29885.24.camel@bfox.devel.redhat.com> <1067459187.29672.127.camel@zephyr> <20031029164316.A21824@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20031030101245.B3127@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Thu, Oct 30, 2003 at 02:34:14AM -0500, Chris Ricker wrote: > On Wed, 29 Oct 2003, Michael K. Johnson wrote: > > > I think that the fact that SMIT had to do this was an indication that > > the whole configuration process was wrongheaded from the start in AIX. > > I have always felt that keeping a database and then overwriting a set > > of functionally write-only config files was the worst combination of > > possibilities available. (Yes, I was an AIX admin at one time, I'm > > not just spouting off.) > > I'm curious about your take on redhat-config-printer, then ;-) As I said, I haven't been responsible for config tools at Red Hat for years. Yes, Crutcher and I had arguments about redhat-config-printer. :-) However, there's one issue we had there that really overrides my arguments: until FC1, we were trying to support two very different print systems from one tool, including migrating configurations. So it's not necessarily the wrong decision in this particular case. At least it doesn't regen the config files every time you sneeze, and you *can* choose to configure by hand if you like and not have your files overridden at all; that's a huge difference from SMIT. > I'll agree AIX configuration sucks. One thing SMIT does which is nice, > though. You can have it show command-lines which it is running behind the > scenes. Some aspects of SMC (Sun's java admin crapplet) are the same way. > That's a nice feature in GUI admin tools for newbies b/c it lets them slowly > learn the right way to do something if they want to migrate to the command > line. But so much is NOT "run this command" but instead "edit this configuration file"... michaelkjohnson "He that composes himself is wiser than he that composes a book." Linux Application Development -- Ben Franklin http://people.redhat.com/johnsonm/lad/ From johnsonm at redhat.com Thu Oct 30 15:21:23 2003 From: johnsonm at redhat.com (Michael K. Johnson) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 10:21:23 -0500 Subject: Build emacs from sources fails on compiler In-Reply-To: ; from reader@newsguy.com on Thu, Oct 30, 2003 at 08:49:10AM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20031030102123.C3127@devserv.devel.redhat.com> setarch -3 make ... That should work around the bug in the emacs dumper On Thu, Oct 30, 2003 at 08:49:10AM -0600, Harry Putnam wrote: > Setup: test3 updated to 10/28 > (athlon-tbird (1.3gh) > > I remember seeing some mention of emacs problems awhile ago here. > Trying to compile emacs from cvs sources fails with these error > messages: > > [root at exp emacs]# ./configure > checking build system type... i686-pc-linux-gnu > checking host system type... i686-pc-linux-gnu > checking for gcc... gcc > > checking for C compiler default output... configure: error: C compiler > cannot create executables > > See `config.log' for more details. > > Does this ring a bell with anyone? > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list michaelkjohnson "He that composes himself is wiser than he that composes a book." Linux Application Development -- Ben Franklin http://people.redhat.com/johnsonm/lad/ From tim_kossack at web.de Thu Oct 30 15:27:58 2003 From: tim_kossack at web.de (Tim Kossack) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 16:27:58 +0100 Subject: internet not working with arjan's 2.6 testkernels Message-ID: <1067524864.1629.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> i'm using the arjan (hope that's spelled right) testkernels with rh9/xd2 on my sony pcg-z600lek notebook, but all kernels newer than 2.6.0-0.test5.1.36 seems to have problems connecting to the internet. my notebook is connected to a sitecom-router, and in this way (plus another switch connected to the sitecom-router) also to 6 or 7 windows-pcs. interestingly, i can connect to them via smb/nautilus and can copy files from them to my pc with the new(est) testkernel running, but when i want to fetch my mails via evolution or to browse with galeon, the resp. program tries to connect, but there seems to be simply no data coming. after a while, in galeon, i get the "timelimit"-error-message. note that when booting, i get the green "ok-message" for eth0 and again, i can copy files from other computers in my network flawlessly... my notebook's built-in network-adapter is a widely used intel (pro?)-chipset (sorry for not knowing the exact type, if needed, i'll try to find out the exact type). so my question-is this a known thing, and is it fixable from my side-or a bug in the (newer) kernels? thanks for any help! From paul at frields.com Thu Oct 30 15:30:43 2003 From: paul at frields.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 10:30:43 -0500 Subject: redhat-config-network and tui In-Reply-To: <3FA081B8.9010405@insight.rr.com> References: <3FA081B8.9010405@insight.rr.com> Message-ID: <1067527843.8431.4.camel@bettie.internal.frields.org> On Wed, 2003-10-29 at 22:12, Jim Cornette wrote: > When trying to "dive into the rpm file with mc. I get this error on > redhat-config-network > "inconsistent extfs archive" in a red popup window. > The tui file gives the exact same symptom. > > Just to verify that mc was not acting up. I tried to open another rpm > that worked fine. Probably because it's the dreaded 404 HTML page that many others have been experiencing. Have you tried just doing "cat " or "file " on it first? mc probably relies on the extension to decide how to handle the file, rather than a magic-based parse, so it incorrectly assumes it's actually an RPM, and fails miserably as above. -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE From gstool at earthlink.net Thu Oct 30 15:34:53 2003 From: gstool at earthlink.net (Gerry Tool) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 09:34:53 -0600 Subject: Up2date hangs caused by redhat-config-network packages In-Reply-To: <4370.12.29.16.103.1067523324.squirrel@12.29.16.103> References: <1067475144.5798.3.camel@gstpc.earthlink.net> <1067509397.5301.12.camel@ibmLaptop.athome.de> <4370.12.29.16.103.1067523324.squirrel@12.29.16.103> Message-ID: <1067528093.5817.2.camel@gstpc.earthlink.net> On Thu, 2003-10-30 at 08:15, William Hooper wrote: > Peter Boy said: > > Am Do, den 30.10.2003 schrieb Gerry Tool um 01:52: > >> I persisted in using up2date to try to get all of today's updates, and > >> found that the packages causing the hangs after download are the two > >> redhat-config-network packages. Everything else installed successfully. > > > > This is due to a well known problem with up2date not beeing able to > > resolve dependencies under some circumstances. While running up2date you > > should watch tail -f /var/log/up2date. > > Someone @redhat.com said they were having sync issues. Most people > reporting this actually have HTML pages that get downloaded (404 errors), > but if you go to http://ftp.redhat.com you can download the file > correctly. Sounds like the headers are out of sync with the file > locations. I finally succeeded getting all the packages with up2date just now by installing the new up2date-4.1.14-2 first and the others piecemeal leaving the redhat-config-* packages until last. The new packages now replaces the rawhide channel with two channels called fedora-core-1 and updates-released. Gerry From veillard at redhat.com Thu Oct 30 15:39:18 2003 From: veillard at redhat.com (Daniel Veillard) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 10:39:18 -0500 Subject: Up2Date still having problems... In-Reply-To: <1067526512.8431.1.camel@bettie.internal.frields.org>; from paul@frields.com on Thu, Oct 30, 2003 at 10:08:32AM -0500 References: <20031029230835.10858.qmail@web10705.mail.yahoo.com> <1067526512.8431.1.camel@bettie.internal.frields.org> Message-ID: <20031030103918.U25702@redhat.com> On Thu, Oct 30, 2003 at 10:08:32AM -0500, Paul W. Frields wrote: > On Wed, 2003-10-29 at 18:08, James J. Ramsey wrote: > > > > What I wonder is how come the blue checkmark in > > > the > > > > RHN applet never turns red when updates are > > > available? > > > > > > Must be a local configuration problem on your end; > > > mine works fine on my > > > net-connected testing box. Have you checked your > > > /etc/sysconfig/rhn/sources? Check the archive for > > > hints if necessary. > > > > FWIW, there's only one line in > > /etc/sysconfig/rhn/sources that isn't a comment: > > > > yum rawhide > > http://ftp.redhat.com/pub/redhat/linux/rawhide/ > > Same as mine. There is a designated check-in interval in > /etc/sysconfig/rhn/rhnsd, usually 240 (minutes)... mine was working this > morning per usual. Perhaps someone else has some ideas. I would take > this to fedora-list instead as it doesn't seem to be bug related. Good > luck and cheers. Well I have seen this behaviour too, I need to investigate it because sometimes it just work as it should and other time the check seems to miss some updates. I need to debug this, I think this was already reported on bugzilla. Daniel -- Daniel Veillard | Red Hat Network https://rhn.redhat.com/ veillard at redhat.com | libxml GNOME XML XSLT toolkit http://xmlsoft.org/ http://veillard.com/ | Rpmfind RPM search engine http://rpmfind.net/ From jjramsey_6x9eq42 at yahoo.com Thu Oct 30 15:44:28 2003 From: jjramsey_6x9eq42 at yahoo.com (James J. Ramsey) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 07:44:28 -0800 (PST) Subject: Up2Date still having problems... In-Reply-To: <1067526512.8431.1.camel@bettie.internal.frields.org> Message-ID: <20031030154428.60137.qmail@web10710.mail.yahoo.com> --- "Paul W. Frields" wrote: > On Wed, 2003-10-29 at 18:08, James J. Ramsey wrote: > Same as mine. There is a designated check-in > interval in > /etc/sysconfig/rhn/rhnsd, usually 240 (minutes)... > mine was working this > morning per usual. My RHN applet is working now. Go figure. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/ From brugolsky at telemetry-investments.com Thu Oct 30 15:36:40 2003 From: brugolsky at telemetry-investments.com (Bill Rugolsky Jr.) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 10:36:40 -0500 Subject: will there be a tui user config In-Reply-To: <1067458137.29885.20.camel@bfox.devel.redhat.com> References: <1067458137.29885.20.camel@bfox.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20031030153640.GA19817@ti19.telemetry-investments.com> On Wed, Oct 29, 2003 at 03:08:58PM -0500, Brent Fox wrote: > It wouldn't be too bad from a coding perspective. Most of the tools > that I've worked on have a relatively clean line between the backend > that contains all the intelligence and a GUI front end. The idea was > that we could write other kinds of interfaces in the future without > rewriting the entire tool. We concentrated on GUIs for the most part > because that's what we felt was needed by the widest audience. Now that > we have a decent set of GUI tools, maybe we can come back and look at > doing TUIs for some of the tools that don't have them. It would be great to formalize the interface between front-end and back-end, so that everything that is done could be captured in a script log. Doing this can be orthogonal to "transactions"; the point being that it should be to copy the script to restore the filesystem (/etc, in particular) to its previous state, and run a script with something like #!/usr/sbin/redhat-config-foo -f ... and achieve the same result. With some light editing/parameterization, I could then do the same thing across a network of machines. I could also check the log contents into a revision control system, along with /etc. Getting the tools to use "arch" for revision control would also be a win. :-) Regards, Bill Rugolsky From mike at netlyncs.com Thu Oct 30 15:52:23 2003 From: mike at netlyncs.com (Mike Chambers) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 09:52:23 -0600 Subject: Gnome-panel and gnome-weather applet Message-ID: <1067529143.1393.3.camel@bart.netlyncs.com> Anyone seen any issues with the gnome-weather-applet while it is running on the gnome-panel? On my updated to rawhide system with latest FC beta (clean install, then updates to rawhide each day), as has happened since the first FC Beta, the gnome-weather applet seems to big for the gnome-panel. As in, it starts off, via default after install, to fit on the panel but with the panel the default size. But when you go to resize the panel it stays big and doesn't resize itself to still fit on the panel. So now you can't make out the temp readings as they are lower than the panel. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=106652 -- Mike Chambers Madisonville, KY "Can you hear me now?....GOOD!" From netopml at newview.com Thu Oct 30 16:19:48 2003 From: netopml at newview.com (netopml at newview.com) Date: 30 Oct 2003 11:19:48 -0500 Subject: WiFi settings in Fedora In-Reply-To: <1067529143.1393.3.camel@bart.netlyncs.com> Message-ID: Hi all, I've got an orinoco chip on my laptop and it works great but I haven't been able to do one thing: switch the encryption settings using redhat-config-network. Let me explain: at work, the wifi network is "secure" (ESSID and KEY) but when I'm roaming (usually in hotel rooms), most of the time there's no essid or key (everyone can connect). AFAIK, the "profile" thing in redhat-config-network only allows you to say which interfaces you want to be enabled in this particular profile. Right, now I've create links for ifcfg-eth1/keys-eth1 to switch back and forth between the 2 settings. Is there a better way (like creating a third interface, I thought about it but I was sure I'm probably missing something obvious) or something like this and if not, should I submit a RFE? -- Mathieu Chouquet-Stringer E-Mail : mathieu at newview.com Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity. -- Hanlon's Razor -- From operalover_99 at yahoo.com Thu Oct 30 16:24:22 2003 From: operalover_99 at yahoo.com (Michael Smith) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 08:24:22 -0800 (PST) Subject: Gnome-panel and gnome-weather applet In-Reply-To: <1067529143.1393.3.camel@bart.netlyncs.com> Message-ID: <20031030162422.9277.qmail@web11001.mail.yahoo.com> --- Mike Chambers wrote: > Anyone seen any issues with the gnome-weather-applet > while it is running > on the gnome-panel? On my updated to rawhide system > with latest FC beta > (clean install, then updates to rawhide each day), > as has happened since > the first FC Beta, the gnome-weather applet seems to > big for the > gnome-panel. As in, it starts off, via default > after install, to fit on > the panel but with the panel the default size. But > when you go to > resize the panel it stays big and doesn't resize > itself to still fit on > the panel. So now you can't make out the temp > readings as they are > lower than the panel. > Mike, I just tried the Gnome weather applet on my Toshiba laptop, and no problems. When I reduced the panel size to 24, the temp moved to beside the symbol - stll visible. Mike Smith __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/ From adamo97 at comcast.net Thu Oct 30 16:26:09 2003 From: adamo97 at comcast.net (Adam Scarcella) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 11:26:09 -0500 Subject: RHN Alert Notification Tool 2.1.2 Discrepancy with up2date 4.1.14-2 Message-ID: <1067531168.4775.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> My RHN Alert Notification Tool displays red with: "1 update available (0 ignored)" Mouse Click once on the red icon gives me this: Package Name Version Installed Available yum yum-2.0.4-1.rh.fr yum.2.0.4-2 But when I launch up2date, it says: "Your system is fully updated. No new packages are needed." Adam Scarcella From thompsma at colorado.edu Thu Oct 30 16:26:58 2003 From: thompsma at colorado.edu (The Matt) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 09:26:58 -0700 Subject: New GPG Keys? Message-ID: <1067531217.30120.4.camel@ixion.colorado.edu> Folks, I just did my daily-ish up2date and I now have fedora-release-1-2 on my system. Looking over the /usr/share/doc/fedora-release-1 directory I see: -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1232 Oct 29 08:25 RPM-GPG-KEY-rawhide -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1076 Oct 29 08:25 RPM-GPG-KEY-fedora-test -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1105 Oct 29 08:25 RPM-GPG-KEY-fedora-rawhide -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1519 Oct 29 08:25 RPM-GPG-KEY-fedora -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1706 Oct 29 08:25 RPM-GPG-KEY-beta -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1910 Oct 29 08:25 RPM-GPG-KEY Now, am I right in thinking this is more keys then there used to be? If so, does any one know which is/are new so I don't have duplicated gpg-pubkeys? Or, can someone tell me how to get the gpg-pubkey names from these keys? Thanks, Matt -- I am a theoretical chemist. Fear me! Please. Matt Thompson -- http://ucsub.colorado.edu/~thompsma/ 440 UCB, Boulder, CO 80309-0440 JILA A510, 303-492-4662 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From twaugh at redhat.com Thu Oct 30 16:35:46 2003 From: twaugh at redhat.com (Tim Waugh) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 16:35:46 +0000 Subject: will there be a tui user config In-Reply-To: <20031030101245.B3127@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <1067457663.29672.102.camel@zephyr> <1067458368.29885.24.camel@bfox.devel.redhat.com> <1067459187.29672.127.camel@zephyr> <20031029164316.A21824@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <20031030101245.B3127@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20031030163546.GE1963@redhat.com> On Thu, Oct 30, 2003 at 10:12:45AM -0500, Michael K. Johnson wrote: > As I said, I haven't been responsible for config tools at Red Hat for > years. Yes, Crutcher and I had arguments about redhat-config-printer. > :-) > > However, there's one issue we had there that really overrides my > arguments: until FC1, we were trying to support two very different > print systems from one tool, including migrating configurations. > So it's not necessarily the wrong decision in this particular case. > > At least it doesn't regen the config files every time you sneeze, > and you *can* choose to configure by hand if you like and not have > your files overridden at all; that's a huge difference from SMIT. IMHO, redhat-config-printer should be replaced by a tool that just changes the CUPS configuration files when you want it to. The whole 'editing a look-aside configuration file and periodically writing out the real configuration files from it' thing was useful for LPRng->CUPS migration by chance alone: I still needed to write code to import queues from the configuration files because of the CUPS web interface. The current situation just stifles its functionality. The new tool should look roughly the same of course, and be at least as scriptable as the current one (so that kudzu can add print queues). With CUPS of course there really is the possibility of providing a list of command lines to run (lpadmin). Tim. */ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From operalover_99 at yahoo.com Thu Oct 30 16:15:45 2003 From: operalover_99 at yahoo.com (Michael Smith) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 08:15:45 -0800 (PST) Subject: WiFi on Toshiba laptop - it works Message-ID: <20031030161545.36845.qmail@web11003.mail.yahoo.com> Hi all, I just installed a Linksys WPC11 wireless card on my Toshiba Tecra 555CDT. No problems - FC 0.95 installed it perfectly, and the university's network logged me in. I wish everything was that easy! The chipset is Prism II, and well-supported in Linux. Mike Smith __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/ From tfox at redhat.com Thu Oct 30 16:22:21 2003 From: tfox at redhat.com (Tammy Fox) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 11:22:21 -0500 Subject: redhat-log-viewer does not work properly In-Reply-To: <1066422230.8784.14.camel@bfox.devel.redhat.com> References: <3F800BE6.7050303@zonnet.nl> <3F801B50.2010504@zonnet.nl> <20031017194316.GG6340@redhat.com> <3F904B6D.3000103@zonnet.nl> <1066422230.8784.14.camel@bfox.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20031030162221.GD28075@redhat.com> On Fri, Oct 17, 2003 at 04:23:50PM -0400, Brent Fox wrote: > On Fri, 2003-10-17 at 16:05, Jaap A. Haitsma wrote: > > Hi Tammy, > > > > The recent updates fixed it again somehow :-) > > I doubt that. I think that it's a bug with the pam-panel-icon. If > filed a bug on this today at > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=107404 > > Basically, if you run a program that requires root password from the > command line, usermode caches the root password but the pam-panel-icon > does not appear for some reason. The problem is that the pam-panel-icon > process is still running, so it's not clear to the user that the root > password has been cached. This isn't good from a security point of > view. > > If you start the program from the menus, the pam-panel-icon will appear > correctly. > > Cheers, > Brent > I think this is the expected behavior. It is my understanding that it only caches the root password for the tty in which the program is started. Thus, if you start a consolehelper app from a GNOME terminal or other shell prompt, it will not show the pam panel icon because the pam panel icon only appears for the tty used when launching apps from the menu. Tammy > > > > > Jaap > > > > Tammy Fox wrote: > > > I tried it from the Main Menu, and it worked for me. Maybe your > > > desktop file is corrupt. What does rpm -qV redhat-logviewer return? > > > > > > Tammy > > > > > > On Sun, Oct 05, 2003 at 03:23:28PM +0200, Jaap A. Haitsma wrote: > > > > > >>BTW I just discovered that it also works if I just launch from the > > >>terminal without being root, but still not from the Main menu :-( > > >> > > >> > > >>Jaap A. Haitsma wrote: > > >> > > >>>Hi, > > >>> > > >>>When I start the redhat-log-viewer from the Applications menu (System > > >>>Tools /Logviewer) I have to type in the root password and then nothing > > >>>happens. However if I login as root in a terminal and then lauch it from > > >>>the terminal it works. > > >>> > > >>>Any ideas? Anybody experiencing the same thing? > > >>> > > >>>Jaap > > >>> > > >>> > > >>>-- > > >>>fedora-test-list mailing list > > >>>fedora-test-list at redhat.com > > >>>http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > >>> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >>-- > > >>fedora-test-list mailing list > > >>fedora-test-list at redhat.com > > >>http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > fedora-test-list mailing list > > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list -- From jeremyp at pobox.com Thu Oct 30 16:40:02 2003 From: jeremyp at pobox.com (Jeremy Portzer) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 11:40:02 -0500 Subject: RHN Alert Notification Tool 2.1.2 Discrepancy with up2date 4.1.14-2 In-Reply-To: <1067531168.4775.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1067531168.4775.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1067532001.16620.71.camel@jeremy.dtcc.cc.nc.us> On Thu, 2003-10-30 at 11:26, Adam Scarcella wrote: > My RHN Alert Notification Tool displays red with: > > "1 update available (0 ignored)" > > Mouse Click once on the red icon gives me this: > > Package Name Version Installed Available > yum yum-2.0.4-1.rh.fr yum.2.0.4-2 > > But when I launch up2date, it says: > > "Your system is fully updated. No new packages are needed." This is because you have yum-2.0.4-1.rh.fr installed from the freshrpms repository. There may always be strange conflicts between third-party repositories and the official fedora.redhat.com repository for the same package. The easiest solution is to simply remove the freshprms package, and install the official one with up2date. --Jeremy -- /---------------------------------------------------------------------\ | Jeremy Portzer jeremyp at pobox.com trilug.org/~jeremy | | GPG Fingerprint: 712D 77C7 AB2D 2130 989F E135 6F9F F7BC CC1A 7B92 | \---------------------------------------------------------------------/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Please. Matt Thompson -- http://ucsub.colorado.edu/~thompsma/ 440 UCB, Boulder, CO 80309-0440 JILA A510, 303-492-4662 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From nosp at xades.com Thu Oct 30 16:45:11 2003 From: nosp at xades.com (nosp) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 16:45:11 +0000 Subject: Gnome-panel and gnome-weather applet In-Reply-To: <20031030162422.9277.qmail@web11001.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20031030162422.9277.qmail@web11001.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1067532310.2642.66.camel@earth.xades.com> On Thu, 2003-10-30 at 16:24, Michael Smith wrote: > I just tried the Gnome weather applet on my Toshiba > laptop, and no problems. When I reduced the panel size > to 24, the temp moved to beside the symbol - stll > visible. Ditto -- works for me too, whether the panel is horizontal (temp goes to the right of symbol) or vertical (temp goes below). However I note that if the panel is vertical, I have to make the panel very narrow before the temp moves besides the symbol. If I make it 25 pixels wide rather than 24, the temp stays to the right of the symbol and is cut off. From thompsma at colorado.edu Thu Oct 30 16:56:26 2003 From: thompsma at colorado.edu (The Matt) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 09:56:26 -0700 Subject: New GPG Keys? In-Reply-To: <1067531217.30120.4.camel@ixion.colorado.edu> References: <1067531217.30120.4.camel@ixion.colorado.edu> Message-ID: <1067532985.30120.23.camel@ixion.colorado.edu> On Thu, 2003-10-30 at 09:26, The Matt wrote: > Folks, I just did my daily-ish up2date and I now have fedora-release-1-2 > on my system. Looking over the /usr/share/doc/fedora-release-1 > directory I see: > > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1232 Oct 29 08:25 RPM-GPG-KEY-rawhide > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1076 Oct 29 08:25 RPM-GPG-KEY-fedora-test > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1105 Oct 29 08:25 RPM-GPG-KEY-fedora-rawhide > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1519 Oct 29 08:25 RPM-GPG-KEY-fedora > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1706 Oct 29 08:25 RPM-GPG-KEY-beta > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1910 Oct 29 08:25 RPM-GPG-KEY > > Now, am I right in thinking this is more keys then there used to be? If > so, does any one know which is/are new so I don't have duplicated > gpg-pubkeys? Or, can someone tell me how to get the gpg-pubkey names > from these keys? OK, I might have answered this partly. The next time I ran up2date it gave me a "Do you wish to install this key" dialog. I guess whatever is new and important is there now. Does this mean the days of up2date --nosig are over? Matt -- I am a theoretical chemist. Fear me! Please. Matt Thompson -- http://ucsub.colorado.edu/~thompsma/ 440 UCB, Boulder, CO 80309-0440 JILA A510, 303-492-4662 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From a.t.meinen at chello.nl Thu Oct 30 17:13:30 2003 From: a.t.meinen at chello.nl (Tino Meinen) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 18:13:30 +0100 Subject: Xfree86 max resolution In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1067534010.17189.22.camel@node10a62.a2000.nl> Op do 30-10-2003, om 07:56 schreef Mike A. Harris: > On Wed, 29 Oct 2003, selda wrote: > >Another problem I have is the screen resolution. I don't know why but the > >maximum resolution I can select is 1024x768. I have ATI Radeon 9000 pro > >video card. > > Check the config file by hand. If there is a VideoRAM setting in > there and you didn't put it in there yourself by hand, please > file a bug report in bugzilla against redhat-config-xfree86. referring to bug 107345, why would it be a bug if there is a VideoRam size setting in Xfree86? It is indeed no longer present in my XFree86 config but the maximum resolution offered by redhat-config-xfree86 is not very high (1024x768). I thought that was *because* the VideoRam size was lacking and that was a bug? Thanks Tino From jaap at haitsma.org Thu Oct 30 17:24:02 2003 From: jaap at haitsma.org (Jaap A. Haitsma) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 18:24:02 +0100 Subject: RHN applet not working Message-ID: <3FA14932.4010804@haitsma.org> I upgraded to the latest up2date but it seems that there is still something missing in de Fedora Core and Updates repository RHN applet doesn't show that there are updates, whilst there are. It returns the following information The applet has been unable to access the following information sources in its last attempts: fedora-core-1 @ http://fedora.redhat.com/releases/fedora-core-1, updates-released @ http://fedora.redhat.com/updates/released/fedora-core-1 Jaap From elwoo at videotron.ca Thu Oct 30 17:29:29 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 12:29:29 -0500 Subject: Gnome-panel and gnome-weather applet In-Reply-To: <20031030162422.9277.qmail@web11001.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20031030162422.9277.qmail@web11001.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200310301229.29510.elwoo@videotron.ca> On October 30, 2003 11:24 am, Michael Smith , > wrote: > --- Mike Chambers wrote: > > Anyone seen any issues with the gnome-weather-applet > > while it is running > > on the gnome-panel? On my updated to rawhide system > > with latest FC beta > > (clean install, then updates to rawhide each day), > > as has happened since > > the first FC Beta, the gnome-weather applet seems to > > big for the > > gnome-panel. As in, it starts off, via default I have added a comment to your bug report. The applet icon isn't *big*, instead on my system, what I've noticed is that the icon does NOT change size when you increase or decrease the size of the panel. Elton. -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From czar at czarc.net Thu Oct 30 17:57:01 2003 From: czar at czarc.net (Gene C.) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 12:57:01 -0500 Subject: RHN applet not working In-Reply-To: <3FA14932.4010804@haitsma.org> References: <3FA14932.4010804@haitsma.org> Message-ID: <200310301257.01041.czar@czarc.net> On Thursday 30 October 2003 12:24, Jaap A. Haitsma wrote: > I upgraded to the latest up2date but it seems that there is still > something missing in de Fedora Core and Updates repository > > RHN applet doesn't show that there are updates, whilst there are. > It returns the following information > > The applet has been unable to access the following information sources > in its last attempts: fedora-core-1 @ > http://fedora.redhat.com/releases/fedora-core-1, updates-released @ > http://fedora.redhat.com/updates/released/fedora-core-1 > > > Jaap Apparently, the applet cannot handle "redirection". If I use lftp to access those directories, I am redirected to http://ftp.redhat.com/pub/redhat/linux/rawhide KI would guess this is so they (Red Hat) can put the final code out for testing while still using rawhide for the testing updates. -- Gene From jakub at redhat.com Thu Oct 30 18:07:17 2003 From: jakub at redhat.com (Jakub Jelinek) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 13:07:17 -0500 Subject: Testing request: glibc-2.3.2-27.9.3 (RHL9 errata candidate) Message-ID: <20031030130708.L2097@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Hi! I'm looking for testers for RHL9 glibc errata candidate. There are 31 new patches in it and it should fix at least following bugzilla ids: 54697 83973 85994 86032 88409 88456 88978 89448 90002 90077 90301 90987 91567 97814 97828 98966 101261 101691 102709 103727 105348 107846 The packages are available from ftp://people.redhat.com/jakub/glibc/errata/2.3.2-27.9.3/ Although the i686 -> i386 "upgrade" bug is fixed, nevertheless check what glibc arch you have installed and update the right packages (unless you want to check i686 -> i386 "upgrade"): if [ `rpm -q --qf '%{arch}\n' glibc` = i686 ]; then rpm -Fvh {glibc,nptl-devel}-2.3.2-27.9.3.i686.rpm \ {glibc-{profile,common,utils,debug,devel},nscd}-2.3.2-27.9.3.i386.rpm else rpm -Fvh {glibc{,-profile,-common,-utils,-debug,-devel},nscd}-2.3.2-27.9.3.i386.rpm fi Please report any problems with it into bugzilla. Thanks. Jakub From imoq at imoqland.com Thu Oct 30 18:09:45 2003 From: imoq at imoqland.com (Alejandro =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Gonz=E1lez_Hern=E1ndez?= - Imoq) Date: 30 Oct 2003 12:09:45 -0600 Subject: gaim update In-Reply-To: <3F8AEB0F.7000704@redhat.com> References: <1065812112.3922.8.camel@stantz.corp.sgi.com> <1065813069.2564.26.camel@earth.xades.com> <3F8AEB0F.7000704@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1067537385.19722.12.camel@imoqland.morelos.gob.mx> On Mon, 2003-10-13 at 13:12, Christopher Blizzard wrote: > > > Please update gaim in the Rawhide rep. to 0.71, as it fixes the issue > > > with Yahoo login. > > > > > Seconded. > > > > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=106804 > > > It's been updated to 0.71. In http://fedora.redhat.com/projects/package-list/ it still says: gaim0.70A GTK+ clone of the AOL Instant Messenger client. Maybe you will want to update that page ;) (I am glad you will include gaim 0.71, anyway :D). Cheers, Alex. -- ?S? libre, usa software libre! Be free, use free software! http://www.imoqland.com/ From ed at redhat.com Thu Oct 30 17:51:58 2003 From: ed at redhat.com (Edward C. Bailey) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 12:51:58 -0500 Subject: Laptop Mode In-Reply-To: <1067446675.781.27.camel@celery> (Heiko Jones's message of "29 Oct 2003 08:57:56 -0800") References: <1067399164.1823.10.camel@chastain> <200310301334.30694.hoyt@cavtel.net> <1067446675.781.27.camel@celery> Message-ID: >>>>> "Heiko" == Heiko Jones writes: Heiko> What does it do exactly and how is it enabled in the kernel? I did Heiko> not see anything in the release notes, and remember it being Heiko> disabled somewhere along 0.94. It's mentioned in the final release notes, fwiw... Ed -- Ed Bailey Red Hat, Inc. http://www.redhat.com/ From czar at czarc.net Thu Oct 30 18:23:10 2003 From: czar at czarc.net (Gene C.) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 13:23:10 -0500 Subject: Is nothing sacred Message-ID: <200310301323.10579.czar@czarc.net> First creating the Fedora Core Project which opens the visibility and participation of what was formally known as Red Hat Linux. Now, actually releasing the name Yarrow (gasp) before the actual general availability date. What will be next ;) To confirm, I assume that we are in basically "release candidate mode" and are looking for real show stoppers. -- Gene From matthias at rpmforge.net Thu Oct 30 18:31:06 2003 From: matthias at rpmforge.net (Matthias Saou) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 19:31:06 +0100 Subject: Testing current rawhide... In-Reply-To: <20031030094936.A3127@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <20031030094936.A3127@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20031030193106.0563974b.matthias@rpmforge.net> Michael K. Johnson wrote : > We're at the point of cutting candidate trees for the release, so > testing current rawhide would be VERY useful. Well, the first important issue I found is that the latest "bootdisk.img" file (timestamped Oct 30 10:23) doesn't boot. The previous one was fine, but this one gives : Could not find kernel image: linux I haven't tried going through the floppy image, but there seems to be a problem. Matthias -- Clean custom Red Hat Linux rpm packages : http://freshrpms.net/ Fedora Core release 1 (Yarrow) - Linux kernel 2.4.22-1.2111.nptl Load : 0.46 0.33 0.35 From czar at czarc.net Thu Oct 30 18:38:19 2003 From: czar at czarc.net (Gene C.) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 13:38:19 -0500 Subject: RELEASE-NOTES Message-ID: <200310301338.19861.czar@czarc.net> I assume that the RELEASE-NOTES in rawhide are final (or near final). The amount of disk space for the minimum install is incorrect. I bugzill'ed this earlier in the testing process and was told it would be fixed before release. The current value is "510MB". A partition that size will not work ... you need 600MB or more to do the install. This should be fixed before final. -- Gene From katzj at redhat.com Thu Oct 30 18:44:16 2003 From: katzj at redhat.com (Jeremy Katz) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 13:44:16 -0500 Subject: Testing current rawhide... In-Reply-To: <20031030193106.0563974b.matthias@rpmforge.net> References: <20031030094936.A3127@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <20031030193106.0563974b.matthias@rpmforge.net> Message-ID: <1067539456.1652.115.camel@edoras.local.net> On Thu, 2003-10-30 at 13:31, Matthias Saou wrote: > Well, the first important issue I found is that the latest "bootdisk.img" > file (timestamped Oct 30 10:23) doesn't boot. The previous one was fine, > but this one gives : [snip] > I haven't tried going through the floppy image, but there seems to be a > problem. This is just bootdisk.img not being created correctly due to wonkiness with the build machine last night. boot.iso appears to be fine Jeremy From mdittmeier at hotmail.com Thu Oct 30 18:58:55 2003 From: mdittmeier at hotmail.com (Mike Dittmeier) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 13:58:55 -0500 Subject: who else is doing all this on an inspiron 8100? Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From czar at czarc.net Thu Oct 30 19:04:54 2003 From: czar at czarc.net (Gene C.) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 14:04:54 -0500 Subject: rpmdb-fedora Message-ID: <200310301404.54487.czar@czarc.net> This is not a show stopper but should be addressed. I am putting this on the mailing list instead of in bugzilla because I seem to be unable to describe the problem well enough. I am hoping someone can "clarify" what I am trying to say. The problem is described in https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=107853 and concerns the working of --redhatprovides and --redhatrequires options. In the process of converting from Red Hat Linux to Fedora Core, "redhat" has been replaced by "fedora" in many (not all) cases -- e.g., "/etc/fedora-release" instead of "/etc/redhat-release". One of the things changed was the renaming of the "rpmdb-redhat" package to "rpmdb-fedora" and of putting the information into the "/usr/lib/rpmdb/i386-redhat-linux/fedora" directory instead of the "/usr/lib/rpmdb/i386-redhat-linux/redhat" directory. [BTW, the package name rpmdb-fedora needs to be added to bugzilla.] No this would be fine except that the macro definition file /usr/lib/rpm/rpmpopt-4.2.1 (owned by rpm) still have the following definitions: rpm alias --redhatprovides -q --define '_dbpath /usr/lib/rpmdb/%{_arch}-%{_vendor}-%{_os}/redhat' --whatprovides and rpm alias --redhatrequires -q --define '_dbpath /usr/lib/rpmdb/%{_arch}-%{_vendor}-%{_os}/redhat' --whatrequires and results that things just do not work. The problem is that the final name is still "redhat" but the data has been placed under "fedora" if you do: rpm --redhatrequires xpdf you get: no package requires xpdf On the other hand, if you do: rpm -q --define "_dbpath /usr/lib/rpmdb/i386-redhat-linux/fedora/" \ --whatrequires xpdf you get: xfig-3.2.4-2 Yes, I can create a private alias definition for --fedorarequires, but that does not seem to make sense to me. What do the rest of you think? -- Gene From ms-nospam-0306 at arcor.de Thu Oct 30 19:07:32 2003 From: ms-nospam-0306 at arcor.de (Michael Schwendt) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 20:07:32 +0100 Subject: New GPG Keys? In-Reply-To: <1067531217.30120.4.camel@ixion.colorado.edu> References: <1067531217.30120.4.camel@ixion.colorado.edu> Message-ID: <20031030200732.36ccd2c0.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de> On Thu, 30 Oct 2003 09:26:58 -0700, The Matt wrote: > Folks, I just did my daily-ish up2date and I now have fedora-release-1-2 > on my system. Looking over the /usr/share/doc/fedora-release-1 > directory I see: > > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1232 Oct 29 08:25 RPM-GPG-KEY-rawhide > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1076 Oct 29 08:25 RPM-GPG-KEY-fedora-test > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1105 Oct 29 08:25 RPM-GPG-KEY-fedora-rawhide > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1519 Oct 29 08:25 RPM-GPG-KEY-fedora > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1706 Oct 29 08:25 RPM-GPG-KEY-beta > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1910 Oct 29 08:25 RPM-GPG-KEY > > Now, am I right in thinking this is more keys then there used to be? If > so, does any one know which is/are new so I don't have duplicated > gpg-pubkeys? Or, can someone tell me how to get the gpg-pubkey names > from these keys? Run "gpg" on each of these keys separately. That will display some info about the keys. -- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Linux Application Development -- Ben Franklin http://people.redhat.com/johnsonm/lad/ From shrek-m at gmx.de Thu Oct 30 19:17:15 2003 From: shrek-m at gmx.de (shrek-m at gmx.de) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 20:17:15 +0100 Subject: Testing current rawhide... In-Reply-To: <20031030094936.A3127@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <20031030094936.A3127@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <3FA163BB.9070800@gmx.de> Michael K. Johnson wrote: >ntp > which? with "yum update ntp" i get ntp-4.1.2-5.i386.rpm why not ntp-4.2.0-2.i386.rpm (here is "libmd5.so.0" required) -- shrek-m From don.vanco at agilysys.com Thu Oct 30 19:24:44 2003 From: don.vanco at agilysys.com (Vanco, Don) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 14:24:44 -0500 Subject: bogus rawhide entries?? (desktop-backgrounds-basic 2.0.17) Message-ID: Is this the same issue that others have seen with up2date pulling (well, attempting to pull) rawhide files that no longer exist??? [root at localhost up2date]# rpm -Fvh desktop-backgrounds-* error: open of ; from czar@czarc.net on Thu, Oct 30, 2003 at 01:23:10PM -0500 References: <200310301323.10579.czar@czarc.net> Message-ID: <20031030142647.B13867@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Thu, Oct 30, 2003 at 01:23:10PM -0500, Gene C. wrote: > First creating the Fedora Core Project which opens the visibility and > participation of what was formally known as Red Hat Linux. Now, actually > releasing the name Yarrow (gasp) before the actual general availability date. > What will be next ;) We actually discussed the possible names on freenode IRC, too. :-) What will be next? The next major change will almost certainly be maintaining packages in public CVS. But that discussion is really a fedora-devel-list discussion. > To confirm, I assume that we are in basically "release candidate mode" and are > looking for real show stoppers. That's correct. And by now it basically has to be a data corruption issue to be considered a show stopper. michaelkjohnson "He that composes himself is wiser than he that composes a book." Linux Application Development -- Ben Franklin http://people.redhat.com/johnsonm/lad/ From hoyt at cavtel.net Thu Oct 30 14:22:44 2003 From: hoyt at cavtel.net (HoytDuff) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 14:22:44 +0000 Subject: Is nothing sacred In-Reply-To: <200310301323.10579.czar@czarc.net> References: <200310301323.10579.czar@czarc.net> Message-ID: <200310301422.44015.hoyt@cavtel.net> On Thursday 30 October 2003 06:23 pm, Gene C. wrote: > First creating the Fedora Core Project which opens the visibility and > participation of what was formally known as Red Hat Linux. Now, actually > releasing the name Yarrow (gasp) before the actual general availability > date. What will be next ;) I believe a bug-free release is up next followed by world peace. -- Hoyt From dax at gurulabs.com Thu Oct 30 18:26:02 2003 From: dax at gurulabs.com (Dax Kelson) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 11:26:02 -0700 Subject: Testing current rawhide... (LVM snapshots) In-Reply-To: <20031030094936.A3127@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <20031030094936.A3127@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1067538362.3072.43.camel@mentor.gurulabs.com> On Thu, 2003-10-30 at 07:49, Michael K. Johnson wrote: > In particular, the 2.4.22-1.2115.nptl kernel is a new build and > could use hammering, Are LVM snapshots with ext3 working now? I would test but I no environment to do so in at this exact moment. They worked in RHL8.0, and having been broken in RHL9 the whole time. I noticed that the taroon RHEL kernel got a fix from Tweedie for LVM snapshots on ext3 back in August. Dax Kelson Guru Labs From don.vanco at agilysys.com Thu Oct 30 19:27:11 2003 From: don.vanco at agilysys.com (Vanco, Don) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 14:27:11 -0500 Subject: bogus rawhide entries?? (desktop-backgrounds-basic 2.0.17) Message-ID: I should mention that the "rpm" (below) did, in fact, contain nothing but HTML Is this the same issue that others have seen with up2date pulling (well, attempting to pull) rawhide files that no longer exist??? [root at localhost up2date]# rpm -Fvh desktop-backgrounds-* error: open of from "Vanco, Don" at Oct 30, 2003 02:24:44 PM Message-ID: <200310301936.h9UJaX612744@garfield.bwh.harvard.edu> > Is this the same issue that others have seen with up2date pulling (well, > attempting to pull) rawhide files that no longer exist??? > > [root at localhost up2date]# rpm -Fvh desktop-backgrounds-* > error: open of error: open of HTML failed: No such file or directory > error: open of PUBLIC failed: No such file or directory > > ....the problematic file was actually > desktop-backgrounds-basic-2.0.17.noarch.rpm Worthy of Bugzilla? > > Don I had the same problem with 5 files - control-center, the two desktop-background RPMs, indexhtml, and yum. In each case, up2date says that the package is signed with an untrusted GPG signature (as opposed to the "normal" error message that it is unsigned), and if you look in /var/spool/up2date you find that the file is actually a 5896-byte HTML file containing a 404 error. When this happens I clean out /var/spool/up2date and try to grab a few at a time, then grab the rest manually from the FTP site. I don't know whether up2date's willingness to download an HTML file should be considered a bug in up2date or in bad server maintenance. Don't RPM files have a magic number or something that up2date could use to avoid downloading the 404 file? From thompsma at colorado.edu Thu Oct 30 19:46:10 2003 From: thompsma at colorado.edu (The Matt) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 12:46:10 -0700 Subject: bogus rawhide entries?? (desktop-backgrounds-basic 2.0.17) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1067543170.30120.26.camel@ixion.colorado.edu> On Thu, 2003-10-30 at 12:24, Vanco, Don wrote: > Is this the same issue that others have seen with up2date pulling (well, > attempting to pull) rawhide files that no longer exist??? > > [root at localhost up2date]# rpm -Fvh desktop-backgrounds-* > error: open of error: open of HTML failed: No such file or directory > error: open of PUBLIC failed: No such file or directory > > ....the problematic file was actually > desktop-backgrounds-basic-2.0.17.noarch.rpm Worthy of Bugzilla? I'm sure this is in there already. The problem was a bad download. Delete /var/spool/up2date/desktop-backgrounds-basic-2.0.17.noarch.rpm (which is just a 404 page probably) and try again. It most likely will download correctly. -- I am a theoretical chemist. Fear me! Please. Matt Thompson -- http://ucsub.colorado.edu/~thompsma/ 440 UCB, Boulder, CO 80309-0440 JILA A510, 303-492-4662 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From ed at redhat.com Thu Oct 30 19:43:01 2003 From: ed at redhat.com (Edward C. Bailey) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 14:43:01 -0500 Subject: RELEASE-NOTES In-Reply-To: <200310301338.19861.czar@czarc.net> (Gene C.'s message of "Thu, 30 Oct 2003 13:38:19 -0500") References: <200310301338.19861.czar@czarc.net> Message-ID: >>>>> "Gene" == Gene C writes: Gene> I assume that the RELEASE-NOTES in rawhide are final (or near final). Yup, final... Gene> The amount of disk space for the minimum install is incorrect. I Gene> bugzill'ed this earlier in the testing process and was told it would Gene> be fixed before release. Argh -- Do you have the bug number for that? I can't find it (We had buzilla issues a while back, and some bugs were lost; I wonder if this was one of them)... :-( Gene> The current value is "510MB". A partition that size will not work Gene> ... you need 600MB or more to do the install. This should be fixed Gene> before final. -- Gene Too late, unfortunately. Sorry I dropped the ball on this one... Ed -- Ed Bailey Red Hat, Inc. http://www.redhat.com/ From sopwith at redhat.com Thu Oct 30 19:31:34 2003 From: sopwith at redhat.com (Elliot Lee) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 14:31:34 -0500 (EST) Subject: Testing current rawhide... In-Reply-To: <3FA163BB.9070800@gmx.de> Message-ID: On Thu, 30 Oct 2003, shrek-m at gmx.de wrote: > with "yum update ntp" i get > ntp-4.1.2-5.i386.rpm > > why not > ntp-4.2.0-2.i386.rpm > (here is "libmd5.so.0" required) It got reverted because ntp 4.2.0 was not working right. -- Elliot "I lead a very full life. I belong to a handful of chat rooms." - Blofeld From dstewart at atl.lmco.com Thu Oct 30 19:55:00 2003 From: dstewart at atl.lmco.com (Douglas Stewart) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 14:55:00 -0500 Subject: OpenGL screensavers MUCH slower now Message-ID: <3FA16C94.2050501@atl.lmco.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Since the slew of upgrades over the past few days, I've noticed that OpenGL screensavers run far, far slower than they used to. Also, when they run, my laptop fan kicks on with far greater frequency than it ever used to. Any ideas as to what's going on? It's a Dell Inspiron 4150 with a ATI Radeon Mobility 7500 (using the "radeon" driver FC ships with.) Should I perhaps try the ATI-provided binary driver? - -- - ---------- Doug Stewart Systems Administrator/Web Applications Developer Lockheed Martin Advanced Technology Labs Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/oWyUN50Q8DVvcvkRAplgAJ9DreWDOYiYkuSTbNF0I6G+uyw5UQCeJv3r 7LnkwDkDaEfZRYKhSTiQupg= =kH75 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From k4txz at k4txz.com Thu Oct 30 19:57:45 2003 From: k4txz at k4txz.com (k4txz) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 11:57:45 -0800 (PST) Subject: up2date In-Reply-To: <20031030194159.GA26482@iadonisi.to> Message-ID: <20031030195745.3932.qmail@web60208.mail.yahoo.com> I got up2date to get past the depenencie stage once I manually install the dependencies. Now i get the followinf error: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/share/rhn/up2date_client/gui.py", line 2070, in doInstallation kernelsToInstall = up2date.installPackages(self.selectedPkgList, self.rpmCallback) File "/usr/share/rhn/up2date_client/up2date.py", line 604, in installPackages hdr = getRealHeader(pkg) File "/usr/share/rhn/up2date_client/up2date.py", line 173, in getRealHeader hdr = _ts.hdrFromFdno(fd) rpm.error: public key not trusted From imoq at imoqland.com Thu Oct 30 19:58:18 2003 From: imoq at imoqland.com (Alejandro =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Gonz=E1lez_Hern=E1ndez?= - Imoq) Date: 30 Oct 2003 13:58:18 -0600 Subject: gaim update In-Reply-To: <20031030141020.A13867@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <1065812112.3922.8.camel@stantz.corp.sgi.com> <1065813069.2564.26.camel@earth.xades.com> <3F8AEB0F.7000704@redhat.com> <1067537385.19722.12.camel@imoqland.morelos.gob.mx> <20031030141020.A13867@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1067543898.21110.1.camel@imoqland.morelos.gob.mx> On Thu, 2003-10-30 at 13:10, Michael K. Johnson wrote: > On Thu, Oct 30, 2003 at 12:09:45PM -0600, Alejandro Gonz?lez Hern?ndez - Imoq wrote: > > In http://fedora.redhat.com/projects/package-list/ it still says: > > That doesn't change to track rawhide. We'll update it when we push > the release. Duh! MY fault, I should have read the title: "Package List for Severn test 3". I just guessed that the package list was meant for Fedora Core 1. Oh, well, thanks, anyway :) Alex. -- ?S? libre, usa software libre! Be free, use free software! http://www.imoqland.com/ From jl.lecorre at free.fr Thu Oct 30 20:00:04 2003 From: jl.lecorre at free.fr (Le Corre Jean-Luc) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 21:00:04 +0100 Subject: OO won't create/open documents In-Reply-To: <1067509670.5436.21.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1067509670.5436.21.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1067544004.5159.6.camel@queyras> I got the same problem, I just remove (or rename) my $HOME/.openoffice and it works fine. I think this has something to do with the translation : I got it in french now. Jean-Luc Le Corre Le jeu 30/10/2003 ? 11:27, Lauri Jutila a ?crit : > What's wrong with my system? OpenOffice won't create or open any OO > documents. When I try to create or open a document, it'll show a filter > selection window and after selecting or not selecting a filter, the > window happily closes and nothing happens. > > This occurs with OO versions 1.1.0-3 and Jakub's "optimized" 1.1.0-4. I > have these packages installed: > > * openoffice.org-1.1.0-3 > * openoffice.org-libs-1.1.0-3 > * openoffice.org-i18n-1.1.0-3 > > Am I missing something here or has anybody else had similar problems? OO > *used* to work fine. > > -- > Lauri Jutila > Chief Linux Fellow, Reforge > lists at reforge.fi > http://www.reforge.fi > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > From jkeating at j2solutions.net Thu Oct 30 19:59:19 2003 From: jkeating at j2solutions.net (Jesse Keating) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 11:59:19 -0800 Subject: Is nothing sacred In-Reply-To: <20031030194159.GA26482@iadonisi.to> References: <200310301323.10579.czar@czarc.net> <20031030142647.B13867@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <20031030194159.GA26482@iadonisi.to> Message-ID: <200310301159.24304.jkeating@j2solutions.net> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday 30 October 2003 11:41, Paul Iadonisi wrote: > How about a package corruption issue from the up2date yum > repository? ;-) Actually, it's not corruption...they seem to be html > files with 'cannot find requested page' 404 error type messages. > Curiously, I've only seen this with noarch packages. There's only > one I know of with the problem at the moment: > > yum-2.0.4-2.noarch.rpm This has to do with file redirections that are happening on RH's servers. Work is being done on both sides to ensure that this type of problem doesn't show up. SHouldn't even be an issue when a real repot is set up and we stop hitting rawhide. - -- Jesse Keating RHCE MCSE (geek.j2solutions.net) Fedora Legacy Team (www.fedora.us/wiki/FedoraLegacy) Mondo DevTeam (www.mondorescue.org) GPG Public Key (geek.j2solutions.net/jkeating.j2solutions.pub) Was I helpful? Let others know: http://svcs.affero.net/rm.php?r=jkeating -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/oW2c4v2HLvE71NURAqrkAKDD2Bg+HjG5cIRX/+AqUJo4PamTawCeI+DF CCe6mujoJ6DNwlVhTmHYUjQ= =LV8C -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From jeremyp at pobox.com Thu Oct 30 20:05:19 2003 From: jeremyp at pobox.com (Jeremy Portzer) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 15:05:19 -0500 Subject: OpenGL screensavers MUCH slower now In-Reply-To: <3FA16C94.2050501@atl.lmco.com> References: <3FA16C94.2050501@atl.lmco.com> Message-ID: <1067544319.22217.6.camel@jeremy.dtcc.cc.nc.us> On Thu, 2003-10-30 at 14:55, Douglas Stewart wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Since the slew of upgrades over the past few days, I've noticed that > OpenGL screensavers run far, far slower than they used to. Also, when > they run, my laptop fan kicks on with far greater frequency than it ever > used to. Try running "glxinfo" to see if Direct Rendering is working, or if it's using software rendering ("Mesa GLX Indirect"). You can also check your frame rate with "glxgears" -- though that doesn't help too much if you have don't have a previous reading to compare to. Also, note that there's no longer an option to configure DRI in the GUI redhat-config-xfree86 -- perhaps you need to re-enable the appropriate options in your XF86Config . --Jeremy -- /---------------------------------------------------------------------\ | Jeremy Portzer jeremyp at pobox.com trilug.org/~jeremy | | GPG Fingerprint: 712D 77C7 AB2D 2130 989F E135 6F9F F7BC CC1A 7B92 | \---------------------------------------------------------------------/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I belong to a handful of chat rooms." - Blofeld From kevin at rocketred.com.au Thu Oct 30 20:09:37 2003 From: kevin at rocketred.com.au (Kevin O'Neill) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 07:09:37 +1100 Subject: OO won't create/open documents In-Reply-To: <1067509670.5436.21.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1067509670.5436.21.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1067544577.4728.9.camel@titus.rocketred.net> On Thu, 2003-10-30 at 21:27, Lauri Jutila wrote: > What's wrong with my system? OpenOffice won't create or open any OO > documents. When I try to create or open a document, it'll show a filter > selection window and after selecting or not selecting a filter, the > window happily closes and nothing happens. > > This occurs with OO versions 1.1.0-3 and Jakub's "optimized" 1.1.0-4. I > have these packages installed: > > * openoffice.org-1.1.0-3 > * openoffice.org-libs-1.1.0-3 > * openoffice.org-i18n-1.1.0-3 > > Am I missing something here or has anybody else had similar problems? OO > *used* to work fine. I had the same problem yesterday. Run an open office repair, failing that remove (or move out of the way) your .openoffice dircetory. -k. > -- > Lauri Jutila > Chief Linux Fellow, Reforge > lists at reforge.fi > http://www.reforge.fi > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list -- If you don't test then your code is only a collection of bugs which apparently behave like a working program. Website: http://blogs.codehaus.org/people/kevin/ Pub Key: http://blogs.codehaus.org/people/kevin/public.asc -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From don.vanco at agilysys.com Thu Oct 30 20:09:36 2003 From: don.vanco at agilysys.com (Vanco, Don) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 15:09:36 -0500 Subject: bogus rawhide entries?? (desktop-backgrounds-basic 2.0.17) Message-ID: Andre Robatino wrote: >> Is this the same issue that others have seen with up2date pulling >> (well, attempting to pull) rawhide files that no longer exist??? >> >> [root at localhost up2date]# rpm -Fvh desktop-backgrounds-* >> error: open of > error: open of HTML failed: No such file or directory >> error: open of PUBLIC failed: No such file or directory >> >> ....the problematic file was actually >> desktop-backgrounds-basic-2.0.17.noarch.rpm Worthy of Bugzilla? >> >> Don > > I had the same problem with 5 files - control-center, the two > desktop-background RPMs, indexhtml, and yum. In each case, up2date > says that the package is signed with an untrusted GPG signature (as > opposed to the "normal" error message that it is unsigned), and if > you look in /var/spool/up2date you find that the file is actually a > 5896-byte HTML file containing a 404 error. When this happens I > clean out /var/spool/up2date and try to grab a few at a time, then > grab the rest manually > from the FTP > site. I don't know whether up2date's willingness to download > an HTML file > should be considered a bug in up2date or in bad server maintenance. > Don't RPM files have a magic number or something that up2date could > use to avoid > downloading the 404 file? Yeah - downloading via up2date shows all the above (as well as packages for kernel-2.4.22-1.2115) as being zero length and belonging to the "fedora-core-1" channel. I'm guessing they're bogus entries. Doesn't matter what you do to the contents of /var/spool/up2date - these still show as zero length, and (when they do download) they're bogus. Should it be assumed that this is just part of the prep for the "fedora-core-1" release?? Don From barryn at pobox.com Thu Oct 30 20:15:43 2003 From: barryn at pobox.com (Barry K. Nathan) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 12:15:43 -0800 Subject: default desktop background looks hideous IMO (was Re: Testing current rawhide...) In-Reply-To: <20031030094936.A3127@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <20031030094936.A3127@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20031030201543.GK10427@ip68-4-255-84.oc.oc.cox.net> On Thu, Oct 30, 2003 at 09:49:36AM -0500, Michael K. Johnson wrote: > Other packages that we'd like last-minute testing on include > samba, apache, bind, sendmail, ntp, mozilla, openoffice.org, > and gnome-terminal. > > Be aware that we're looking specifically for SERIOUS AND MAJOR > REGRESSIONS, not for annoyances you didn't think to file in > bugzilla before. We are looking for (and hoping not to hear) > "Monday's kernel works, today my machine crashes on boot" or > "test3's samba served content, today it doesn't" or that kind > of thing. What the HELL is the new desktop background supposed to be? It reminds me of: (a) Fingerprint smudges on the monitor (b) The Southern California wildfire smoke that I hate breathing whenever I go outside nowadays (c) LCD damage caused by pressure/stress on certain parts of the display EVERY SINGLE ONE of these is in the "things I'd rather not think about when I'm trying to use my computer" category. I'm guessing it's not really a "SERIOUS AND MAJOR REGRESSION" but I'm mentioning it just in case there's anyone else who hates this background as much as I do. (If I'm the only person with this opinion, feel free to ignore me, though.) -Barry K. Nathan From jkeating at j2solutions.net Thu Oct 30 20:09:07 2003 From: jkeating at j2solutions.net (Jesse Keating) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 12:09:07 -0800 Subject: up2date In-Reply-To: <20031030195745.3932.qmail@web60208.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20031030195745.3932.qmail@web60208.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200310301209.07976.jkeating@j2solutions.net> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday 30 October 2003 11:57, k4txz wrote: > line 173, in getRealHeader > hdr = _ts.hdrFromFdno(fd) > rpm.error: public key not trusted Another case of the redirection not working. The rpm up2date just tried to install is actually a 404 page. - -- Jesse Keating RHCE MCSE (geek.j2solutions.net) Fedora Legacy Team (www.fedora.us/wiki/FedoraLegacy) Mondo DevTeam (www.mondorescue.org) GPG Public Key (geek.j2solutions.net/jkeating.j2solutions.pub) Was I helpful? Let others know: http://svcs.affero.net/rm.php?r=jkeating -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/oW/j4v2HLvE71NURAvM8AJ9Xys2mYulYoiUUrWHcHODGrjpMcACgmja+ s7t0T+cFx2v6e60WZPxnwMQ= =6QPB -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From timp at redhat.com Thu Oct 30 20:17:13 2003 From: timp at redhat.com (Tim Powers) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 15:17:13 -0500 Subject: up2date In-Reply-To: <20031030195745.3932.qmail@web60208.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20031030195745.3932.qmail@web60208.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1067545033.3880.7.camel@ragnarok.devel.redhat.com> On Thu, 2003-10-30 at 14:57, k4txz wrote: > I got up2date to get past the depenencie stage once I > manually install the dependencies. Now i get the > followinf error: > > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "/usr/share/rhn/up2date_client/gui.py", line > 2070, in doInstallation > kernelsToInstall = > up2date.installPackages(self.selectedPkgList, > self.rpmCallback) > File "/usr/share/rhn/up2date_client/up2date.py", > line 604, in installPackages > hdr = getRealHeader(pkg) > File "/usr/share/rhn/up2date_client/up2date.py", > line 173, in getRealHeader > hdr = _ts.hdrFromFdno(fd) > rpm.error: public key not trusted What worked for me this morning was to remove ("rpm -e") all of the keys I had imported, and reimport them again like so: # rpm --import RPM-GPG-KEY RPM-GPG-KEY-beta RPM-GPG-KEY-fedora RPM-GPG-KEY-fedora-rawhide RPM-GPG-KEY-fedora-test RPM-GPG-KEY-rawhide Tim From rnix at prometheon.net Thu Oct 30 20:18:12 2003 From: rnix at prometheon.net (Ryan Nix) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 14:18:12 -0600 Subject: redhat-config-xfree86 bug Message-ID: <3FA17204.6080005@prometheon.net> Using the redhat-config-xfree86 gui doesn't seem to work. I think I might have seen a reference to this earlier this week but I'm not sure. I've tested it on two different Dell laptops and an older Gateway PIII. Anyone else have this problem? From dstewart at atl.lmco.com Thu Oct 30 20:18:16 2003 From: dstewart at atl.lmco.com (Douglas Stewart) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 15:18:16 -0500 Subject: OpenGL screensavers MUCH slower now In-Reply-To: <1067544319.22217.6.camel@jeremy.dtcc.cc.nc.us> References: <3FA16C94.2050501@atl.lmco.com> <1067544319.22217.6.camel@jeremy.dtcc.cc.nc.us> Message-ID: <3FA17208.6010002@atl.lmco.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Jeremy Portzer wrote: | On Thu, 2003-10-30 at 14:55, Douglas Stewart wrote: | |>-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- |>Hash: SHA1 |> |>Since the slew of upgrades over the past few days, I've noticed that |>OpenGL screensavers run far, far slower than they used to. Also, when |>they run, my laptop fan kicks on with far greater frequency than it ever |>used to. | | | Try running "glxinfo" to see if Direct Rendering is working, or if it's | using software rendering ("Mesa GLX Indirect"). You can also check your | frame rate with "glxgears" -- though that doesn't help too much if you | have don't have a previous reading to compare to. | | Also, note that there's no longer an option to configure DRI in the GUI | redhat-config-xfree86 -- perhaps you need to re-enable the appropriate | options in your XF86Config . | | --Jeremy | Yes, I now see the "Mesa GLX Indirect" string in glxinfo output. What do I need to adjust in my XF86config? I have 'Load "dri"' in the "Module" section and Section "DRI" ~ Group 0 ~ Mode 0666 EndSection What else do I need? - -- - ---------- Doug Stewart Systems Administrator/Web Applications Developer Lockheed Martin Advanced Technology Labs Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/oXIIN50Q8DVvcvkRAiT4AJ9Bc2rsIO2IUewwWFWzR2asq762HwCdFIby 7Bvy8MxW+DhPI7kl4zaErgo= =vtbK -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From dstewart at atl.lmco.com Thu Oct 30 20:21:32 2003 From: dstewart at atl.lmco.com (Douglas Stewart) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 15:21:32 -0500 Subject: A bit OT [Was: Re: bogus rawhide entries?? (desktop-backgrounds-basic 2.0.17)] In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3FA172CC.2080004@atl.lmco.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Speaking of these packages, can I be the first to ask: What the HECK is that in the new default background? The portion of the image directly above the "Fedora Core" text is vaguely, disturbingly aortic in appearance... - -- - ---------- Doug Stewart Systems Administrator/Web Applications Developer Lockheed Martin Advanced Technology Labs Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/oXLMN50Q8DVvcvkRAj7nAJ0YWNT4xh2U3oc1Kn1hiBDAHE8ZagCggL02 0xC2oO0iA2ug/0Aj/LJ0r/w= =LDye -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From dstewart at atl.lmco.com Thu Oct 30 20:22:30 2003 From: dstewart at atl.lmco.com (Douglas Stewart) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 15:22:30 -0500 Subject: default desktop background looks hideous IMO (was Re: Testing current rawhide...) In-Reply-To: <20031030201543.GK10427@ip68-4-255-84.oc.oc.cox.net> References: <20031030094936.A3127@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <20031030201543.GK10427@ip68-4-255-84.oc.oc.cox.net> Message-ID: <3FA17306.5000801@atl.lmco.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Barry K. Nathan wrote: | On Thu, Oct 30, 2003 at 09:49:36AM -0500, Michael K. Johnson wrote: | |>Other packages that we'd like last-minute testing on include |>samba, apache, bind, sendmail, ntp, mozilla, openoffice.org, |>and gnome-terminal. |> |>Be aware that we're looking specifically for SERIOUS AND MAJOR |>REGRESSIONS, not for annoyances you didn't think to file in |>bugzilla before. We are looking for (and hoping not to hear) |>"Monday's kernel works, today my machine crashes on boot" or |>"test3's samba served content, today it doesn't" or that kind |>of thing. | | | What the HELL is the new desktop background supposed to be? It reminds | me of: | | (a) Fingerprint smudges on the monitor | (b) The Southern California wildfire smoke that I hate breathing whenever I | go outside nowadays | (c) LCD damage caused by pressure/stress on certain parts of the display | | EVERY SINGLE ONE of these is in the "things I'd rather not think about | when I'm trying to use my computer" category. I'm guessing it's not | really a "SERIOUS AND MAJOR REGRESSION" but I'm mentioning it just in | case there's anyone else who hates this background as much as I do. (If | I'm the only person with this opinion, feel free to ignore me, though.) | | -Barry K. Nathan | | Well, crap, looks like I was beaten to the punch. *grin* - -- - ---------- Doug Stewart Systems Administrator/Web Applications Developer Lockheed Martin Advanced Technology Labs Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/oXMGN50Q8DVvcvkRAiGKAJ9GOXDXdMwRmjYYEtqnCAo4pXvykACfZANK UQetRXiv3xVUw+Kc6w13hUY= =a+lR -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From thepiratekings at yahoo.com Thu Oct 30 20:24:04 2003 From: thepiratekings at yahoo.com (The Pirate Kings) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 12:24:04 -0800 (PST) Subject: wpc11 under 2.6 Message-ID: <20031030202404.49347.qmail@web60202.mail.yahoo.com> I'm sending this email from a wpc11 on Fedora running 2.6 test7, but I'm not using Anjan's kernel. You have to enable ISA to make it work. God only knows why, I think it's something about the Orinoco driver using some sort of ISA irq routines. Anyway, once the CONFIG_ISA kernel option is set it works, you'll need to recompile the kernel and then it should just work. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/ From pmatilai at welho.com Thu Oct 30 20:25:11 2003 From: pmatilai at welho.com (Panu Matilainen) Date: 30 Oct 2003 22:25:11 +0200 Subject: Urgent testing request for openoffice.org-1.1.0-4.4 In-Reply-To: <1067473636.2445.6.camel@mdlinux> References: <20031029062535.A2097@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1067473636.2445.6.camel@mdlinux> Message-ID: <1067545511.3738.0.camel@chip.ath.cx> On Thu, 2003-10-30 at 02:27, Marc Deslauriers wrote: > On Wed, 2003-10-29 at 06:25, Jakub Jelinek wrote: > > ftp://people.redhat.com/jakub/openoffice.org/ > > is another release of OO.o rpms with improved startup speed. > > Please test as much as possible (if there are enough success reports > > and no problem reports, there is (IMHO) still a small chance > > to make it the default; otherwise it will be in the FC1 rpms, > > but not as default, ie. require root to > > ln -sf soffice2.bin /usr/lib/openoffice/program > > to run the startup speed optimized version). > > Thanks. > > Works great for me! Another "me too" - didn't see any problems but a very welcome speedup of the startup :) - Panu - From bfox at redhat.com Thu Oct 30 20:33:21 2003 From: bfox at redhat.com (Brent Fox) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 15:33:21 -0500 Subject: redhat-log-viewer does not work properly In-Reply-To: <20031030162221.GD28075@redhat.com> References: <3F800BE6.7050303@zonnet.nl> <3F801B50.2010504@zonnet.nl> <20031017194316.GG6340@redhat.com> <3F904B6D.3000103@zonnet.nl> <1066422230.8784.14.camel@bfox.devel.redhat.com> <20031030162221.GD28075@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1067546000.2881.26.camel@bfox.devel.redhat.com> On Thu, 2003-10-30 at 11:22, Tammy Fox wrote: > On Fri, Oct 17, 2003 at 04:23:50PM -0400, Brent Fox wrote: > > On Fri, 2003-10-17 at 16:05, Jaap A. Haitsma wrote: > > > Hi Tammy, > > > > > > The recent updates fixed it again somehow :-) > > > > I doubt that. I think that it's a bug with the pam-panel-icon. If > > filed a bug on this today at > > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=107404 > > > > Basically, if you run a program that requires root password from the > > command line, usermode caches the root password but the pam-panel-icon > > does not appear for some reason. The problem is that the pam-panel-icon > > process is still running, so it's not clear to the user that the root > > password has been cached. This isn't good from a security point of > > view. > > > > If you start the program from the menus, the pam-panel-icon will appear > > correctly. > > > > Cheers, > > Brent > > > > I think this is the expected behavior. It is my understanding that it > only caches the root password for the tty in which the program is > started. Thus, if you start a consolehelper app from a GNOME terminal > or other shell prompt, it will not show the pam panel icon because the > pam panel icon only appears for the tty used when launching apps from > the menu. "Expected behavior" according to whose definition? It may be expected by a technical user that understands ttys, password caching, etc. To the non-technical user, all they see is that the OS behaves differently depending on how the application was launched. From a usability perspective this has to be considered a bug. Cheers, Brent From bfox at redhat.com Thu Oct 30 20:39:51 2003 From: bfox at redhat.com (Brent Fox) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 15:39:51 -0500 Subject: redhat-config-xfree86 bug In-Reply-To: <3FA17204.6080005@prometheon.net> References: <3FA17204.6080005@prometheon.net> Message-ID: <1067546391.2881.28.camel@bfox.devel.redhat.com> On Thu, 2003-10-30 at 15:18, Ryan Nix wrote: > Using the redhat-config-xfree86 gui doesn't seem to work. I think I > might have seen a reference to this earlier this week but I'm not sure. > I've tested it on two different Dell laptops and an older Gateway PIII. > Anyone else have this problem? When running it from the command line, do you see any debug messages? Cheers, Brent From mike.lurk at sympatico.ca Thu Oct 30 20:49:41 2003 From: mike.lurk at sympatico.ca (Mike Lurk) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 15:49:41 -0500 Subject: OO won't create/open documents Message-ID: <1067546981.20571.7.camel@Darkstar> Message: 11 Subject: OO won't create/open documents From: Lauri Jutila To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 12:27:50 +0200 Reply-To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com What's wrong with my system? OpenOffice won't create or open any OO documents. When I try to create or open a document, it'll show a filter selection window and after selecting or not selecting a filter, the window happily closes and nothing happens. This occurs with OO versions 1.1.0-3 and Jakub's "optimized" 1.1.0-4. I have these packages installed: * openoffice.org-1.1.0-3 * openoffice.org-libs-1.1.0-3 * openoffice.org-i18n-1.1.0-3 Am I missing something here or has anybody else had similar problems? OO *used* to work fine. -- Lauri Jutila Chief Linux Fellow, Reforge lists at reforge.fi http://www.reforge.fi Have you Mozilla installed or not. OpenOffice has a dependency that Mozilla must be installed. I have both Mozilla 1.4 and Mozilla 1.5 installed on my machine and OpenOffice works fine for me. One other thing I have Star Office 7 installed as well and it works fine. From maxka at myrealbox.com Thu Oct 30 21:06:39 2003 From: maxka at myrealbox.com (Maxwell Kanat-Alexander) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 13:06:39 -0800 Subject: pgadmin 3? In-Reply-To: <1067498781.5152.6.camel@taekwondo> References: <1067498781.5152.6.camel@taekwondo> Message-ID: <1067547999.3300.6.camel@max.localdomain> On Wed, 2003-10-29 at 23:26, Mauri Sahlberg wrote: > Hi, > > Has anyone compiled or installed pgadmin3-1.0.1 or pgadmin3-1.0.0 > successfully? The rpm seems to require libcomm_err.so.3 which is not > provided It used to be in krb5, IIRC, but it's gone now. Usually re-compilation from a SRPM handles this dependency. > and the compilation from the source seems to require wx-config > which is not provided either by any package. On download.fedora.us, go get wxGTK or wxGTK2 (depending on which windowing toolkit you want it to use -- the GTK one is more stable, the GTK2 one looks nicer). -Max From davej at redhat.com Thu Oct 30 21:07:42 2003 From: davej at redhat.com (Dave Jones) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 21:07:42 +0000 Subject: OpenGL screensavers MUCH slower now In-Reply-To: <3FA17208.6010002@atl.lmco.com> References: <3FA16C94.2050501@atl.lmco.com> <1067544319.22217.6.camel@jeremy.dtcc.cc.nc.us> <3FA17208.6010002@atl.lmco.com> Message-ID: <20031030210741.GH10823@redhat.com> On Thu, Oct 30, 2003 at 03:18:16PM -0500, Douglas Stewart wrote: > Yes, I now see the "Mesa GLX Indirect" string in glxinfo output. What > do I need to adjust in my XF86config? I have 'Load "dri"' in the > "Module" section and > > Section "DRI" > ~ Group 0 > ~ Mode 0666 > EndSection > > What else do I need? Check out your /var/log/XFree86.0.log It should tell you why DRI is being disabled. Dave From paul at frields.com Thu Oct 30 21:15:42 2003 From: paul at frields.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 16:15:42 -0500 Subject: N00b Alert: up2date CLI and kernels In-Reply-To: <1067532555.30120.15.camel@ixion.colorado.edu> References: <1067532555.30120.15.camel@ixion.colorado.edu> Message-ID: <1067548541.2884.6.camel@bettie.internal.frields.org> On Thu, 2003-10-30 at 11:49, The Matt wrote: > First, is there a command-line flag to allow up2date --nox to upgrade > the kernels I have installed? I'm sure I can undo some configuration > line, but I like not having kernels upgraded willy-nilly. The /etc/sysconfig/rhn/up2date file will probably show you (unless you've changed the default behavior) that running "up2date kernel" will only install a new kernel, not remove the old one and replace it with the new one. > Second, I want to also get kernel-BOOT, something I've never tried > before. Do I just use "up2date kernel-BOOT" to download and install it, > or as above, is there a flag I'll need? Umm... why? The kernel-BOOT package is not something you probably care to use on a real system, because it only includes the limited functionality needed to boot the installation sets. It can be useful for making your own custom boot disks in cases where you have systems with specific hardware that you want to install onto, but it's really no fun to use on an installed system. Even then, you don't need to install it to perform those kind of tasks. > Third, will kernel-BOOT show up in my lilo.conf as kernels usually do, > or does it skip it? It will appear there, if you feel you have to disregard the above advice. > Thanks for answering any of my dumb questions. No problem, but it's probably better in the future to please take questions like this to fedora-list. This list, fedora-test-list, is specifically for people looking to squash bugs in the current release, not for day-to-day help in running the system. Best of luck to you and cheers. -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE From czar at czarc.net Thu Oct 30 21:14:17 2003 From: czar at czarc.net (Gene C.) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 16:14:17 -0500 Subject: RELEASE-NOTES In-Reply-To: References: <200310301338.19861.czar@czarc.net> Message-ID: <200310301614.17643.czar@czarc.net> On Thursday 30 October 2003 14:43, Edward C. Bailey wrote: > Too late, unfortunately. Sorry I dropped the ball on this one... OK, I reopened my bugzilla report on this and will add you as the CC (maybe you should own it but that is not my problem). Maybe this should be left open until it actually gets fixed. -- Gene From dstewart at atl.lmco.com Thu Oct 30 21:31:25 2003 From: dstewart at atl.lmco.com (Douglas Stewart) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 16:31:25 -0500 Subject: OpenGL screensavers MUCH slower now In-Reply-To: <20031030210741.GH10823@redhat.com> References: <3FA16C94.2050501@atl.lmco.com> <1067544319.22217.6.camel@jeremy.dtcc.cc.nc.us> <3FA17208.6010002@atl.lmco.com> <20031030210741.GH10823@redhat.com> Message-ID: <3FA1832D.6060804@atl.lmco.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Dave Jones wrote: | On Thu, Oct 30, 2003 at 03:18:16PM -0500, Douglas Stewart wrote: | | > Yes, I now see the "Mesa GLX Indirect" string in glxinfo output. What | > do I need to adjust in my XF86config? I have 'Load "dri"' in the | > "Module" section and | > | > Section "DRI" | > ~ Group 0 | > ~ Mode 0666 | > EndSection | > | > What else do I need? | | Check out your /var/log/XFree86.0.log | It should tell you why DRI is being disabled. | | Dave | | | -- | fedora-test-list mailing list | fedora-test-list at redhat.com | http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list Hmmm. Took a look at the log file. XFree86-DRI extension loads w/o error, as does the radeon driver. In fact, no errors are reported whatsoever. (i.e., no (EE)'s in sight). - -- - ---------- Doug Stewart Systems Administrator/Web Applications Developer Lockheed Martin Advanced Technology Labs Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/oYMsN50Q8DVvcvkRAteEAJwKGQ3u6gQ7ucJn0h9vWcDCkRxagACeICv6 6NLn2tJYPti0RPfgycwZS2w= =AYZ1 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From shrek-m at gmx.de Thu Oct 30 21:31:37 2003 From: shrek-m at gmx.de (shrek-m at gmx.de) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 22:31:37 +0100 Subject: OT: groupware in fedora core ? In-Reply-To: <3F9D2400.6060402@gmx.de> References: <3F9D2400.6060402@gmx.de> Message-ID: <3FA18339.6090504@gmx.de> shrek-m at gmx.de wrote: > hi, > > i miss a groupware-solution in fedora, additional info about moregroupware http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?forum_id=16540&max_rows=25&style=ultimate&viewmonth=200310 ----snip---- >From - Thu Oct 30 22:00:22 2003 From: Karsten Dambekalns To: moregw user sf , moregw dev sf more.groupware 0.6.9 has been released today. The new release features a lot of changes, some of them have fundamental character. There have been bug fixes done to all areas of the application, and a lot of new features have been added. The webmail client has now mail filters and flags, comes with inline display of OOo Writer files and can export to OOo Writer and MS Word. Calendar2 has group calendars now. The projects module has been rewritten completely (see below for the catch). [...] Future versions will not have such radical changes and upgrades will be a lot easier from now on, as we now upgrade the database automatically and module installation and deinstallation are easier than ever! New demo available We have now set up a new demo server for those wanting to try out more.groupware. It is reachable at: http://213.146.167.105/mgw/ Log in as user0, user1, ..., user9 and use the same as password. About more.groupware more.groupware is a web-based groupware application written in PHP4. It features a full-fledged webmail client, a calendaring module, a contacts manager, a file manager, project planning support, todo lists and more. It supports MySQL and PostgreSQL as database backends and relies only on standard PHP extensions. Internally we use state-of-the-art technologies for HTML templating (Smarty), database abstraction and creazion (ADOdb and ADOdb-XML-Schema) and are multi-language ready. The modular framework allows the easy addition of new features. [...] more.groupware is a community-driven project and released under a mix of the X11 license and the GNU GPL. fishfarm netsolutions an Simple Groupware Solutions are two of the current key supporters of the project. ----snap---- -- shrek-m From Paul at essential-skills.com Thu Oct 30 21:21:48 2003 From: Paul at essential-skills.com (Paul Kline) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 16:21:48 -0500 Subject: OO won't create/open documents In-Reply-To: <1067546981.20571.7.camel@Darkstar> References: <1067546981.20571.7.camel@Darkstar> Message-ID: <1067548908.1053.19.camel@knightrider.sewh.com> On Thu, 2003-10-30 at 15:49, Mike Lurk wrote: > Message: 11 > Subject: OO won't create/open documents > From: Lauri Jutila > To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com > Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 12:27:50 +0200 > Reply-To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com > > What's wrong with my system? OpenOffice won't create or open any OO > documents. When I try to create or open a document, it'll show a filter > selection window and after selecting or not selecting a filter, the > window happily closes and nothing happens. > > This occurs with OO versions 1.1.0-3 and Jakub's "optimized" 1.1.0-4. I > have these packages installed: > > * openoffice.org-1.1.0-3 > * openoffice.org-libs-1.1.0-3 > * openoffice.org-i18n-1.1.0-3 > > Am I missing something here or has anybody else had similar problems? OO > *used* to work fine. > > -- > Lauri Jutila > Chief Linux Fellow, Reforge > lists at reforge.fi > http://www.reforge.fi > > Have you Mozilla installed or not. OpenOffice has a dependency that > Mozilla must be installed. I have both Mozilla 1.4 and Mozilla 1.5 > installed on my machine and OpenOffice works fine for me. One other > thing I have Star Office 7 installed as well and it works fine. > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list A little offtopic, but I have some athlon-xp optimized XFree & glibc rpms (rpmbuild --target=athlon --rebuild XFree??.src.rpm). I am curious if there is a place in the contrib or a site where either I can find these or place these availabe for general usage or contrib section. Thanks, Paul P.S. I am working on a script that makes takes the Fedora source tree to make an athlon-xp based CDs. If someone has already done this please point me to it. From jbarrios at linuxparatodos.net Thu Oct 30 21:42:08 2003 From: jbarrios at linuxparatodos.net (Joel Barrios =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Due=F1as?=) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 15:42:08 -0600 Subject: OO won't create/open documents In-Reply-To: <1067546981.20571.7.camel@Darkstar> References: <1067546981.20571.7.camel@Darkstar> Message-ID: <1067550127.3628.3.camel@linux.linuxparatodos.com.mx> Bet you had 1.1.0-2. Delete or rename ~/.openoffice. after that, open again OO. El jue, 30-10-2003 a las 14:49, Mike Lurk escribi?: > Message: 11 > Subject: OO won't create/open documents > From: Lauri Jutila > To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com > Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 12:27:50 +0200 > Reply-To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com > > What's wrong with my system? OpenOffice won't create or open any OO > documents. When I try to create or open a document, it'll show a filter > selection window and after selecting or not selecting a filter, the > window happily closes and nothing happens. > > This occurs with OO versions 1.1.0-3 and Jakub's "optimized" 1.1.0-4. I > have these packages installed: > > * openoffice.org-1.1.0-3 > * openoffice.org-libs-1.1.0-3 > * openoffice.org-i18n-1.1.0-3 > > Am I missing something here or has anybody else had similar problems? OO > *used* to work fine. > > -- > Lauri Jutila > Chief Linux Fellow, Reforge > lists at reforge.fi > http://www.reforge.fi > > Have you Mozilla installed or not. OpenOffice has a dependency that > Mozilla must be installed. I have both Mozilla 1.4 and Mozilla 1.5 > installed on my machine and OpenOffice works fine for me. One other > thing I have Star Office 7 installed as well and it works fine. Joel Barrios D. Linux Para Todos http://www.linuxparatodos.net/ From garrett at redhat.com Thu Oct 30 21:44:35 2003 From: garrett at redhat.com (Garrett LeSage) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 16:44:35 -0500 Subject: default desktop background looks hideous IMO (was Re: Testing current rawhide...) In-Reply-To: <20031030201543.GK10427@ip68-4-255-84.oc.oc.cox.net> References: <20031030094936.A3127@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <20031030201543.GK10427@ip68-4-255-84.oc.oc.cox.net> Message-ID: <3FA18643.3050400@redhat.com> Barry K. Nathan wrote: > >What the HELL is the new desktop background supposed to be? It reminds >me of: > >(a) Fingerprint smudges on the monitor >(b) The Southern California wildfire smoke that I hate breathing whenever I > go outside nowadays >(c) LCD damage caused by pressure/stress on certain parts of the display > >EVERY SINGLE ONE of these is in the "things I'd rather not think about >when I'm trying to use my computer" category. I'm guessing it's not >really a "SERIOUS AND MAJOR REGRESSION" but I'm mentioning it just in >case there's anyone else who hates this background as much as I do. (If >I'm the only person with this opinion, feel free to ignore me, though.) > > Oops. I may have broken the LCD display while smudging my greasy fingers on the screen -- but I haven't been out to California for a while now. There are several other backgrounds in the default background folder -- including a few new ones this release. Hopefully you will enjoy those. They're located in desktop-backgrounds-extra and you can change them by right-clicking on the background and selecting "Change Desktop Background". Click on "default.png" next to the lightbulb and a file selection dialog will pop-up allowing you to select a new one. You can rest assured that Fedora Core 2 will have a different background. Garrett From dstewart at atl.lmco.com Thu Oct 30 21:52:11 2003 From: dstewart at atl.lmco.com (Douglas Stewart) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 16:52:11 -0500 Subject: default desktop background looks hideous IMO (was Re: Testing current rawhide...) In-Reply-To: <3FA18643.3050400@redhat.com> References: <20031030094936.A3127@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <20031030201543.GK10427@ip68-4-255-84.oc.oc.cox.net> <3FA18643.3050400@redhat.com> Message-ID: <3FA1880B.4000004@atl.lmco.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Garrett LeSage wrote: ~ > Oops. I may have broken the LCD display while smudging my greasy | fingers on the screen -- but I haven't been out to California for a | while now. | | There are several other backgrounds in the default background folder -- | including a few new ones this release. Hopefully you will enjoy those. | They're located in desktop-backgrounds-extra and you can change them by | right-clicking on the background and selecting "Change Desktop | Background". Click on "default.png" next to the lightbulb and a file | selection dialog will pop-up allowing you to select a new one. | | You can rest assured that Fedora Core 2 will have a different background. | | Garrett | | Garrett: I don't think Barry is unaware of the ability to change desktop backgrounds. His rant was more a "What will the n00bs think?" comment. I heartily agree. Not exactly a gobsmacking sort of thing to greet you when you log in. Heck, I think we should've kept the default yellow flower image. - -- - ---------- Doug Stewart Systems Administrator/Web Applications Developer Lockheed Martin Advanced Technology Labs Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/oYgLN50Q8DVvcvkRAtYYAJ9sgIMNOKpqQsTptxW1ZcRQZv9FbACfVI3o v4h6h773DDgi/lYnLngF8zc= =+dxq -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From pantz at lqt.ca Thu Oct 30 21:57:02 2003 From: pantz at lqt.ca (Paul Pianta) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 16:57:02 -0500 Subject: Kickstart, LVM and Preserving VGs and LVs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3FA1892E.5080606@lqt.ca> Rick Kilen wrote: >Replying to my own post, it appears that no Kickstart config statements >exist at this time (not that I can find documented, at least) > you could do a fresh install and configure your partitions like you want using the graphic install and disk druid. After the installation is finished - check the file /root/anaconda-ks.cfg and check the partitioning section (it will be commented out) and see if there are any lvm specific details in there. If so then you can create your own ks.cfg using the same lines! From leam at reuel.net Thu Oct 30 21:57:22 2003 From: leam at reuel.net (leam) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 16:57:22 -0500 Subject: Culpability and RELEASE-NOTES In-Reply-To: References: <200310301338.19861.czar@czarc.net> Message-ID: <3FA18942.20004@reuel.net> Edward C. Bailey wrote: > Gene> The current value is "510MB". A partition that size will not work > Gene> ... you need 600MB or more to do the install. This should be fixed > Gene> before final. -- Gene > > Too late, unfortunately. Sorry I dropped the ball on this one... > > Ed Hmph... you'd never make it in corporate america Ed. You need to blame the problem on someone else. Easy targets are SCO, solar flares, or "overly aggressive marketing deadlines". If people started accepting responsibility for their actions our whole system would collapse! ciao! leam From paul at frields.com Thu Oct 30 22:01:40 2003 From: paul at frields.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 17:01:40 -0500 Subject: bogus rawhide entries?? (desktop-backgrounds-basic 2.0.17) In-Reply-To: <200310301936.h9UJaX612744@garfield.bwh.harvard.edu> References: <200310301936.h9UJaX612744@garfield.bwh.harvard.edu> Message-ID: <1067551299.2884.44.camel@bettie.internal.frields.org> On Thu, 2003-10-30 at 14:36, Andre Robatino wrote: > > Is this the same issue that others have seen with up2date pulling (well, > > attempting to pull) rawhide files that no longer exist??? > > [...snip...] > I don't know whether up2date's willingness to download an HTML file > should be considered a bug in up2date or in bad server maintenance. Don't > RPM files have a magic number or something that up2date could use to avoid > downloading the 404 file? Once again, since this problem keeps coming up and people may not have looked through the archives: http://redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/2003-October/msg03287.html http://redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/2003-October/msg03812.html I have put this in bugzilla as an RFE for up2date -- #108652 -- as it seems like a Really Bad Idea for up2date to just assume that downloaded files are complete and correct without doing a check that takes very little additional operational time (compared to the update process itself). Judging by Jesse Keating's response: http://redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/2003-October/msg03988.html ...we shouldn't have to worry about this problem much longer on the Red Hat servers, but as we would expect over time that the FC community will be using a variety of repos around the globe, some of them likely will encounter this problem again. In those cases up2date should fail nicely with a reasonable error message. -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE From paul at frields.com Thu Oct 30 22:05:45 2003 From: paul at frields.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 17:05:45 -0500 Subject: default desktop background looks hideous IMO (was Re: Testing current rawhide...) In-Reply-To: <3FA18643.3050400@redhat.com> References: <20031030094936.A3127@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <20031030201543.GK10427@ip68-4-255-84.oc.oc.cox.net> <3FA18643.3050400@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1067551545.2884.49.camel@bettie.internal.frields.org> On Thu, 2003-10-30 at 16:44, Garrett LeSage wrote: > Oops. I may have broken the LCD display while smudging my greasy > fingers on the screen -- but I haven't been out to California for a > while now. I kind of like this one... it reminds me of the quilted maple patterns on one of my guitars. > You can rest assured that Fedora Core 2 will have a different background. I think everyone can agree (right, everyone?) that you've really done marvelous design work distro-wide to make the product feel truly first-class, minor background quibbles notwithstanding. Great job! -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE From dstewart at atl.lmco.com Thu Oct 30 22:12:53 2003 From: dstewart at atl.lmco.com (Douglas Stewart) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 17:12:53 -0500 Subject: Culpability and RELEASE-NOTES In-Reply-To: <3FA18942.20004@reuel.net> References: <200310301338.19861.czar@czarc.net> <3FA18942.20004@reuel.net> Message-ID: <3FA18CE5.1000505@atl.lmco.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 leam wrote: | If people started accepting responsibility for their actions our whole | system would collapse! s/people/managers/g - -- - ---------- Doug Stewart Systems Administrator/Web Applications Developer Lockheed Martin Advanced Technology Labs Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/oYzlN50Q8DVvcvkRAlzrAJ4nvoAoZ9Gu0EN0D3avc/nbF+ziQwCbBECL ZYVmLIMtocwSka9nkP5BNG4= =lQTj -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From esimmonds at speakeasy.net Thu Oct 30 22:17:35 2003 From: esimmonds at speakeasy.net (Ed) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 16:17:35 -0600 Subject: Culpability and RELEASE-NOTES In-Reply-To: <3FA18942.20004@reuel.net> References: <200310301338.19861.czar@czarc.net> <3FA18942.20004@reuel.net> Message-ID: <1067552255.16196.1.camel@trillian.myserenity.net> On Thu, 2003-10-30 at 15:57, leam wrote: > Edward C. Bailey wrote: > Hmph... you'd never make it in corporate america Ed. You need to blame > the problem on someone else. Easy targets are SCO, solar flares, or > "overly aggressive marketing deadlines". You forgot to blame Microsoft too. Shame on you. -- Edward Simmonds RHCE, OCP From veillard at redhat.com Thu Oct 30 22:30:32 2003 From: veillard at redhat.com (Daniel Veillard) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 17:30:32 -0500 Subject: RHN applet not working In-Reply-To: <200310301257.01041.czar@czarc.net>; from czar@czarc.net on Thu, Oct 30, 2003 at 12:57:01PM -0500 References: <3FA14932.4010804@haitsma.org> <200310301257.01041.czar@czarc.net> Message-ID: <20031030173032.Z25702@redhat.com> On Thu, Oct 30, 2003 at 12:57:01PM -0500, Gene C. wrote: > On Thursday 30 October 2003 12:24, Jaap A. Haitsma wrote: > Apparently, the applet cannot handle "redirection". If I use lftp to access > those directories, I am redirected to > http://ftp.redhat.com/pub/redhat/linux/rawhide strange, the applet uses rhnlib and I'm sure recent rhnlib versions should have support for redirection, please bugzilla so I don't loose track of the issue. Daniel -- Daniel Veillard | Red Hat Network https://rhn.redhat.com/ veillard at redhat.com | libxml GNOME XML XSLT toolkit http://xmlsoft.org/ http://veillard.com/ | Rpmfind RPM search engine http://rpmfind.net/ From gstool at earthlink.net Thu Oct 30 22:37:13 2003 From: gstool at earthlink.net (Gerry Tool) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 16:37:13 -0600 Subject: default desktop background looks hideous IMO (was Re: Testing current rawhide...) In-Reply-To: <1067551545.2884.49.camel@bettie.internal.frields.org> References: <20031030094936.A3127@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <20031030201543.GK10427@ip68-4-255-84.oc.oc.cox.net> <3FA18643.3050400@redhat.com> <1067551545.2884.49.camel@bettie.internal.frields.org> Message-ID: <1067553433.5817.11.camel@gstpc.earthlink.net> On Thu, 2003-10-30 at 16:05, Paul W. Frields wrote: > On Thu, 2003-10-30 at 16:44, Garrett LeSage wrote: > > Oops. I may have broken the LCD display while smudging my greasy > > fingers on the screen -- but I haven't been out to California for a > > while now. > > I kind of like this one... it reminds me of the quilted maple patterns > on one of my guitars. > > > You can rest assured that Fedora Core 2 will have a different background. > > I think everyone can agree (right, everyone?) that you've really done > marvelous design work distro-wide to make the product feel truly > first-class, minor background quibbles notwithstanding. Great job! I'll second that. It just continues to get better and more refined. Garrett should have the last say about what is default - everyone can change that to whatever they want if they don't like it. Gerry From barlog_7 at yahoo.com Thu Oct 30 23:38:15 2003 From: barlog_7 at yahoo.com (Malcom Uel) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 15:38:15 -0800 (PST) Subject: Xnest Message-ID: <20031030233815.25537.qmail@web20707.mail.yahoo.com> Owen Taylor wrote: >gdmflexiserver -n is much nicer anyways if you want a >Xnested >desktop. I was wondering if anyone knew of a good site with doc of Xnest. I've been trying to get it working for me for awhile. I have tried to google for it and have not really found much on it. I've tried some of the command that have been in this thread includung above. As a user that resets my whole xsession. And as root in terminal it spits this out: GnomeUI-WARNING **: While connecting to session manager:Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed. It does open a window though with the fedora login, which is what i wanted. The point is, I don't know that message might not be bad, it might be. But I don't know and I would like to learn. Also to create a launcher(I know how to create a launcher just not sure for this). So if someone could point me in the right direction I would appreciate it. Thanks __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/ From dax at gurulabs.com Thu Oct 30 22:45:15 2003 From: dax at gurulabs.com (Dax Kelson) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 15:45:15 -0700 Subject: default desktop background looks hideous IMO (was Re: Testing current rawhide...) In-Reply-To: <3FA18643.3050400@redhat.com> References: <20031030094936.A3127@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <20031030201543.GK10427@ip68-4-255-84.oc.oc.cox.net> <3FA18643.3050400@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1067553915.3152.14.camel@mentor.gurulabs.com> On Thu, 2003-10-30 at 14:44, Garrett LeSage wrote: > Oops. I may have broken the LCD display while smudging my greasy > fingers on the screen -- but I haven't been out to California for a > while now. Seriously. At first I thought my LCD was messed up. Dax Kelson Guru Labs From czar at czarc.net Thu Oct 30 23:50:36 2003 From: czar at czarc.net (Gene C.) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 18:50:36 -0500 Subject: up2date problems with rawhide Message-ID: <200310301850.36338.czar@czarc.net> There are four packages currently in rawhide which give up2date fits: desktop-backgrounds-basic desktop-backgrounds-extras redhat-config-http yum The fact that these are all noarch is not the problem. The problem appears to be that there exist two different versions of each of the packages in rawhide. If you download and install these packages manually (not up2date), you will then be able to run up2date for the remainder. NOTE: up2date really needs to be made more bulletproof ... it really should not hang or give some backtrace for such an error. However, that is for the next time. I have not plans to bugzilla this. If asked, my RFE would be to completely bulletproof up2date and not just address this one problem because some other situation will cause problems. -- Gene From dnrlinux at san.rr.com Fri Oct 31 00:16:39 2003 From: dnrlinux at san.rr.com (Don) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 16:16:39 -0800 Subject: Updated ISO images? In-Reply-To: <5751FE42-095F-11D8-8B68-000393C34F68@mac.com> Message-ID: OK... I'll try that.... I downloaded the mg file, but now how do I create a floppy disk from it? I thought I used a program called rawwrite or something like that, but that's not recognized on m Win 2000 system... Thanks, Don -----Original Message----- From: fedora-test-list-admin at redhat.com [mailto:fedora-test-list-admin at redhat.com]On Behalf Of Sean Earp Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 7:57 AM To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com Subject: Re: Updated ISO images? On Oct 27, 2003, at 11:22 PM, Don Russell wrote: I got the ISO images for FCT3 and installed it on two machines.... The laptop install went "OK", but the update utility doesn't work, it hangs during checking dependencies etc. The desktop install fails miserably.... choking big time with rpmdb fatal errors during the package install. Question is... are there newer ISO images I can d/l and try again? Thanks, Don Don- That would probably be the most reported bug of FCT3... There is an anaconda update that you can download at . Create a floppy from the image file, boot to the installation CD, put the floppy in, and then type "linux updates" (might be "linux update") It should update anacona on the fly and fix the problem. If it does not, please reflect your experiences at -Sean GPG public key: -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From deji_aking at yahoo.ca Fri Oct 31 00:16:15 2003 From: deji_aking at yahoo.ca (Deji Akingunola) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 19:16:15 -0500 Subject: default desktop background looks hideous IMO (was Re: Testing current rawhide...) In-Reply-To: <1067553433.5817.11.camel@gstpc.earthlink.net> References: <20031030094936.A3127@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <20031030201543.GK10427@ip68-4-255-84.oc.oc.cox.net> <3FA18643.3050400@redhat.com> <1067551545.2884.49.camel@bettie.internal.frields.org> <1067553433.5817.11.camel@gstpc.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <1067559375.4815.41.camel@rhema> On Thu, 2003-10-30 at 17:37, Gerry Tool wrote: > On Thu, 2003-10-30 at 16:05, Paul W. Frields wrote: > > On Thu, 2003-10-30 at 16:44, Garrett LeSage wrote: > > > Oops. I may have broken the LCD display while smudging my greasy > > > fingers on the screen -- but I haven't been out to California for a > > > while now. > > > > I kind of like this one... it reminds me of the quilted maple patterns > > on one of my guitars. > > > > > You can rest assured that Fedora Core 2 will have a different background. > > > > I think everyone can agree (right, everyone?) that you've really done > > marvelous design work distro-wide to make the product feel truly > > first-class, minor background quibbles notwithstanding. Great job! > > I'll second that. It just continues to get better and more refined. I remember some people once wrote they'll feel they are still doing the beta thing if the old background appear to be the default in the final release, if not it'll have been so nice to leave the yellow flower as default, its so beautiful. Deji From maxka at myrealbox.com Fri Oct 31 00:47:53 2003 From: maxka at myrealbox.com (Maxwell Kanat-Alexander) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 16:47:53 -0800 Subject: Nautilus SIGILL (WAS Re: Testing current rawhide...) In-Reply-To: <20031030094936.A3127@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <20031030094936.A3127@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1067561272.3658.3.camel@max.localdomain> On Thu, 2003-10-30 at 06:49, Michael K. Johnson wrote: > Be aware that we're looking specifically for SERIOUS AND MAJOR > REGRESSIONS, not for annoyances you didn't think to file in > bugzilla before. See bug 108670. I can't log into GNOME right now, nautilus dumps core on a SIGILL. I'm writing this from the failsafe terminal. It may be because of prelink, though I'm not sure. -M From barryn at pobox.com Fri Oct 31 00:58:41 2003 From: barryn at pobox.com (Barry K. Nathan) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 16:58:41 -0800 Subject: Uh-oh, firstboot still says "TEST"! Message-ID: <20031031005841.GL10427@ip68-4-255-84.oc.oc.cox.net> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=108671 Firstboot still says "TEST" in one of its logos. Given how "TEST" has been removed from the desktop background and the installer, perhaps this is an oversight? If this is indeed an oversight, please make sure it gets fixed before the final release! -Barry K. Nathan From reader at newsguy.com Fri Oct 31 01:10:42 2003 From: reader at newsguy.com (Harry Putnam) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 19:10:42 -0600 Subject: mirror fedora Message-ID: I've seen mention of people using rsync to mirror fedora. What addresses and syntax are needed for that? From defragfs at hotmail.com Fri Oct 31 01:13:02 2003 From: defragfs at hotmail.com (Sean Ryle) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 20:13:02 -0500 Subject: gaim update Message-ID: I had to update gaim from cvs and install from source in order to correct an ICQ login (segfault/core dump) that was present in both 0.70 and 0.71 (possibly even earlier). Officially 0.72 has not been released, but the new source is in the CVS repository which corrects the problem. I just thought I would mention it FWIW. When 0.72 is released, I recommend that gaim gets updated once again. >On Mon, 2003-10-13 at 13:12, Christopher Blizzard wrote: > >> > > Please update gaim in the Rawhide rep. to 0.71, as it fixes the issue >> > > with Yahoo login. >> > > >> > Seconded. >> > >> > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=106804 >> > >> It's been updated to 0.71. > >In http://fedora.redhat.com/projects/package-list/ it still says: > >gaim0.70A GTK+ clone of the AOL Instant Messenger client. > >Maybe you will want to update that page ;) > >(I am glad you will include gaim 0.71, anyway :D). > >Cheers, > >Alex. > >-- >?S? libre, usa software libre! >Be free, use free software! >http://www.imoqland.com/ > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From maxka at myrealbox.com Fri Oct 31 01:28:21 2003 From: maxka at myrealbox.com (Maxwell Kanat-Alexander) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 17:28:21 -0800 Subject: Nautilus SIGILL (WAS Re: Testing current rawhide...) In-Reply-To: <1067561272.3658.3.camel@max.localdomain> References: <20031030094936.A3127@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1067561272.3658.3.camel@max.localdomain> Message-ID: <1067563701.12053.0.camel@max.localdomain> On Thu, 2003-10-30 at 16:47, Maxwell Kanat-Alexander wrote: > It may be because of prelink, though I'm not sure. > Just to update the list -- Prelink was the culprint -- the bug isn't as severe as I might have thought. I re-ran the /etc/cron.daily/prelink script and everything was peachy. Still seems like a prelink problem, though. -Max From imoq at imoqland.com Fri Oct 31 01:41:02 2003 From: imoq at imoqland.com (Alejandro =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Gonz=E1lez_Hern=E1ndez?= - Imoq) Date: 30 Oct 2003 19:41:02 -0600 Subject: gaim update In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1067564462.21107.17.camel@imoqland.morelos.gob.mx> On Thu, 2003-10-30 at 19:13, Sean Ryle wrote: > I had to update gaim from cvs and install from source in order to > correct an ICQ login (segfault/core dump) that was present in both > 0.70 and 0.71 (possibly even earlier). Officially 0.72 has not been > released, but the new source is in the CVS repository which corrects > the problem. I just thought I would mention it FWIW. When 0.72 is > released, I recommend that gaim gets updated once again. [imoq at imoqland imoq]$ rpm -q gaim gaim-0.71-1rh9 No problem logging to ICQ at all... (got it from freshrpms). Cheers, Alex. -- ?S? libre, usa software libre! Be free, use free software! http://www.imoqland.com/ From petersen at redhat.com Fri Oct 31 02:26:58 2003 From: petersen at redhat.com (Jens Petersen) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 11:26:58 +0900 Subject: Build emacs from sources fails on compiler In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: >>>>> "HP" == Harry Putnam writes: HP> Setup: test3 updated to 10/28 (athlon-tbird (1.3gh) HP> I remember seeing some mention of emacs problems HP> awhile ago here. There was a dumper problem that has now been worked around by building with "setarch i386" in emacs-21.3-7. But the problem you describe below during configure looks quite different from that... HP> Trying to compile emacs from cvs HP> sources fails with these error messages: Emacs cvs head's configure runs fine for me on my box here with gcc-3.2.2-1 though it is mostly still test3. HP> checking for C compiler default HP> output... configure: error: C compiler cannot HP> create executables HP> See `config.log' for more details. Does config.log give you any clues? Jens From fernando.alvarez-uria at ya.com Fri Oct 31 03:01:41 2003 From: fernando.alvarez-uria at ya.com (=?ISO-8859-3?Q?Fernando_=C1lvarez-Ur=EDa?=) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 04:01:41 +0100 Subject: Problems recompiling 2.4.22-1.2088.nptl Message-ID: <3FA1D095.2080802@ya.com> Hi all! Ive been testing Fedora Test3 in my laptop computer, and in my desktop pc, and i have found it a great distro. However, im having some trubles with acpi in the laptop. Linux 2.4.22-1.2088.nptl ships acpi devices compiled as modules. Whenever i try to modprobe battery.o, for example, i get: ... battery.o: No such device ... It happens the same modprobing ac, button, thermal, ... If i try to recompile the kernel, only changing the acpi devices to "y" (which works great using 2.4.22-8 with acpi patch from acpi.sf.net), i get: ... ERROR - Attempting to write value for unconfigured variable (CONFIG_ZLIB_INFLATE). ERROR - Attempting to write value for unconfigured variable (CONFIG_ZLIB_DEFLATE). ... Ive tried running make oldconfig, and using config from /boot/config-2.4.22-1.2088.nptl Does anyone know why this happens? Thank you. -- Fernando ?lvarez-Ur?a Madrid, Spain fernando.alvarez-uria at ya.com From davej at redhat.com Fri Oct 31 03:08:23 2003 From: davej at redhat.com (Dave Jones) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 03:08:23 +0000 Subject: Problems recompiling 2.4.22-1.2088.nptl In-Reply-To: <3FA1D095.2080802@ya.com> References: <3FA1D095.2080802@ya.com> Message-ID: <20031031030823.GC17002@redhat.com> On Fri, Oct 31, 2003 at 04:01:41AM +0100, Fernando ?lvarez-Ur?a wrote: > Linux 2.4.22-1.2088.nptl ships acpi devices compiled as modules. > Whenever i try to modprobe battery.o, for example, i get: > > ... > battery.o: No such device > ... Did you also boot with acpi=on ? Dave From leam at reuel.net Fri Oct 31 03:24:53 2003 From: leam at reuel.net (leam) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 22:24:53 -0500 Subject: Culpability and RELEASE-NOTES In-Reply-To: <1067552255.16196.1.camel@trillian.myserenity.net> References: <200310301338.19861.czar@czarc.net> <3FA18942.20004@reuel.net> <1067552255.16196.1.camel@trillian.myserenity.net> Message-ID: <3FA1D605.9070903@reuel.net> Ed wrote: > On Thu, 2003-10-30 at 15:57, leam wrote: > >>Edward C. Bailey wrote: > > >>Hmph... you'd never make it in corporate america Ed. You need to blame >>the problem on someone else. Easy targets are SCO, solar flares, or >>"overly aggressive marketing deadlines". > > > You forgot to blame Microsoft too. Shame on you. > > > > -- > Edward Simmonds RHCE, OCP Nyah.....who ever heard of anything from Microsoft staying up long enough to accomplish anything? ciao! leam From hutigers at hotmail.com Fri Oct 31 03:52:53 2003 From: hutigers at hotmail.com (=?gb2312?B?1dgg9s4=?=) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 11:52:53 +0800 Subject: The fonts now are too obscure to see after updating today. Message-ID: Greeting everyone. I update the XFree86 to 4.3.0-42 today. I notice that the fonts change a lot now. However, I think they are worse than before. If you are somebody like me, who choose Chinese as default, you will find the characters become so obscure now. I believe that if this is still existed, fedora should not be released. I use a notebook with 14.1 @ 1024*768. So I try to reset fonts using LCD mode in font setting. But it seems no changes happened. So please chech-out want is wrong in that. Thanks. Best wishes. huhu _________________________________________________________________ ?????????????? MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com/cn From fedora at warmcat.com Thu Oct 30 11:28:40 2003 From: fedora at warmcat.com (Andy Green) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 11:28:40 +0000 Subject: Arjan's kernel 2.6-test9 and logitech usb mouse scroll wheel In-Reply-To: <1067512993.4346.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1067506001.2935.18.camel@ip68-12-228-23.ok.ok.cox.net> <1067510987.7880.4.camel@CirithUngol> <1067512993.4346.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <200310301128.41720.fedora@warmcat.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday 30 October 2003 11:23, Steve Bergman wrote: > On Thu, 2003-10-30 at 04:49, Andrew Farris wrote: > BTW, just changing the module alias in /etc/modules.conf to point to > uhci_hcd doesn't work. There's a /etc/modprobe.conf now :-) - -Andy -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/oPXojKeDCxMJCTIRAt2KAJ97FRr4Z5CPZYgdJXQXPOEjcf0nFgCfe2uz D+I4s2kou3zpwZ7yFCs13CM= =dOPr -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From mutk at iprimus.com.au Fri Oct 31 04:31:44 2003 From: mutk at iprimus.com.au (Michael Kearey) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 14:31:44 +1000 Subject: internet not working with arjan's 2.6 testkernels In-Reply-To: <1067524864.1629.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1067524864.1629.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <3FA1E5B0.8020604@iprimus.com.au> Tim Kossack wrote: > i'm using the arjan (hope that's spelled right) testkernels with rh9/xd2 > on my sony pcg-z600lek notebook, but all kernels newer than > 2.6.0-0.test5.1.36 seems to have problems connecting to the > internet. my notebook is connected to a sitecom-router, and in this way > (plus another switch connected to the sitecom-router) also to 6 or 7 > windows-pcs. interestingly, i can connect to them via smb/nautilus and > can copy files from them to my pc with the new(est) testkernel running, > but when i want to fetch my mails via evolution or to browse with > galeon, the resp. program tries to connect, but there seems to be simply > no data coming. after a while, in galeon, i get the > "timelimit"-error-message. > note that when booting, i get the green "ok-message" for eth0 and again, > i can copy files from other computers in my network flawlessly... > my notebook's built-in network-adapter is a widely used intel > (pro?)-chipset (sorry for not knowing the exact type, if needed, i'll > try to find out the exact type). > > so my question-is this a known thing, and is it fixable from my side-or > a bug in the (newer) kernels? I beleive ECN (Explicite Congestion Notification) is set on in the kernel. To confirm , 'cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_ecn' If 1 then it's on. Some routers and or firewalls drop packets with the ECN bits set. To turn off, 'echo '0' >/proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_ecn' Cheers, Michael From 1midniterider at comcast.net Fri Oct 31 04:33:16 2003 From: 1midniterider at comcast.net (Marcus White) Date: 30 Oct 2003 23:33:16 -0500 Subject: Testing current rawhide... In-Reply-To: <20031030094936.A3127@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <20031030094936.A3127@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1067574796.1524.125.camel@tbird> Are there update iso's? On Thu, 2003-10-30 at 09:49, Michael K. Johnson wrote: > We're at the point of cutting candidate trees for the release, so > testing current rawhide would be VERY useful. > > In particular, the 2.4.22-1.2115.nptl kernel is a new build and > could use hammering, and the installer has changed and testing > the images would be great; nfs, ftp, and http installs should all > work. > > Other packages that we'd like last-minute testing on include > samba, apache, bind, sendmail, ntp, mozilla, openoffice.org, > and gnome-terminal. > > Be aware that we're looking specifically for SERIOUS AND MAJOR > REGRESSIONS, not for annoyances you didn't think to file in > bugzilla before. We are looking for (and hoping not to hear) > "Monday's kernel works, today my machine crashes on boot" or > "test3's samba served content, today it doesn't" or that kind > of thing. > > Thank you, > > michaelkjohnson > > "He that composes himself is wiser than he that composes a book." > Linux Application Development -- Ben Franklin > http://people.redhat.com/johnsonm/lad/ > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list -- Marcus White <1midniterider at comcast.net> From elwoo at videotron.ca Fri Oct 31 04:32:14 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 23:32:14 -0500 Subject: default desktop background looks hideous IMO (was Re: Testing current rawhide...) In-Reply-To: <20031030201543.GK10427@ip68-4-255-84.oc.oc.cox.net> References: <20031030094936.A3127@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <20031030201543.GK10427@ip68-4-255-84.oc.oc.cox.net> Message-ID: <200310302332.15190.elwoo@videotron.ca> On October 30, 2003 03:15 pm, Barry K. Nathan , <"Barry K. Nathan" > wrote: > > What the HELL is the new desktop background supposed to be? It reminds I would say, that in keeping with the Hallowe'en theme, it looks like ghosts or the face of an extraterrestrial in semidarkness. Elton ;-) -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From imoq at imoqland.com Fri Oct 31 05:03:51 2003 From: imoq at imoqland.com (Alejandro =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Gonz=E1lez_Hern=E1ndez?= - Imoq) Date: 30 Oct 2003 23:03:51 -0600 Subject: internet not working with arjan's 2.6 testkernels In-Reply-To: <3FA1E5B0.8020604@iprimus.com.au> References: <1067524864.1629.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <3FA1E5B0.8020604@iprimus.com.au> Message-ID: <1067576630.7355.3.camel@home.imoqland.com> On Thu, 2003-10-30 at 22:31, Michael Kearey wrote: > Tim Kossack wrote: > > i'm using the arjan (hope that's spelled right) testkernels with rh9/xd2 > > on my sony pcg-z600lek notebook, but all kernels newer than > > 2.6.0-0.test5.1.36 seems to have problems connecting to the > > internet. [...] > > so my question-is this a known thing, and is it fixable from my side-or > > a bug in the (newer) kernels? > > > I beleive ECN (Explicite Congestion Notification) is set on in the kernel. > > To confirm , 'cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_ecn' > > If 1 then it's on. Some routers and or firewalls drop packets with the > ECN bits set. > > To turn off, 'echo '0' >/proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_ecn' It is strange, but this computer (at home) has exactly the same problem. If I use one of Arjan's test kernel then I can't make TCP connections at all. I CAN ping hosts (local network or Internet) but I can't connect anywhere. (And no, tcp_ecn is off). Do you want to hear the strangest thing? If I get Arjan's kernel-source RPM and recompile USING THE .config file for i686 from there, then everything works fine. Currently I am using: [root at home root]# uname -a Linux home.imoqland.com 2.6.0-0.test5.1.34custom #2 Sun Sep 14 16:08:26 CDT 2003 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux (notice the "test5" but also the "custom" part) and I don't have any problem with this kernel. At office, I can use Arjan's kernels without any problem, so, I haven't worried to fill a bug since I can't imagine where to start doing it (or if I should). Anyway, just my two cents. Cheers, Alex. -- ?S? libre, usa software libre! Be free, use free software! http://www.imoqland.com/ From mutk at iprimus.com.au Fri Oct 31 05:10:04 2003 From: mutk at iprimus.com.au (Michael Kearey) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 15:10:04 +1000 Subject: internet not working with arjan's 2.6 testkernels In-Reply-To: <1067576630.7355.3.camel@home.imoqland.com> References: <1067524864.1629.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <3FA1E5B0.8020604@iprimus.com.au> <1067576630.7355.3.camel@home.imoqland.com> Message-ID: <3FA1EEAC.4020504@iprimus.com.au> Alejandro Gonz?lez Hern?ndez - Imoq wrote: > At office, I can use Arjan's kernels without any problem, so, I haven't > worried to fill a bug since I can't imagine where to start doing it (or > if I should). > > Anyway, just my two cents. > Yes, I have noticed that a laptop will work just fine at one site but not work at home. Turn off ECN and it's working everywhere. Just try turning off ECN in kernel to confirm? Cheers, Michael From mike at netlyncs.com Fri Oct 31 05:46:51 2003 From: mike at netlyncs.com (Mike Chambers) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 23:46:51 -0600 Subject: Gnome-panel and gnome-weather applet In-Reply-To: <1067532310.2642.66.camel@earth.xades.com> References: <20031030162422.9277.qmail@web11001.mail.yahoo.com> <1067532310.2642.66.camel@earth.xades.com> Message-ID: <1067579210.1671.0.camel@bart.netlyncs.com> On Thu, 2003-10-30 at 10:45, nosp wrote: > On Thu, 2003-10-30 at 16:24, Michael Smith wrote: > > I just tried the Gnome weather applet on my Toshiba > > laptop, and no problems. When I reduced the panel size > > to 24, the temp moved to beside the symbol - stll > > visible. > Try size 32 or something along those lines and see what you get. -- Mike Chambers Madisonville, KY "Can you hear me now?....GOOD!" From mharris at redhat.com Fri Oct 31 07:07:04 2003 From: mharris at redhat.com (Mike A. Harris) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 02:07:04 -0500 (EST) Subject: Xfree86 max resolution In-Reply-To: <1067534010.17189.22.camel@node10a62.a2000.nl> References: <1067534010.17189.22.camel@node10a62.a2000.nl> Message-ID: On Thu, 30 Oct 2003, Tino Meinen wrote: >> On Wed, 29 Oct 2003, selda wrote: >> >Another problem I have is the screen resolution. I don't know why but the >> >maximum resolution I can select is 1024x768. I have ATI Radeon 9000 pro >> >video card. >> >> Check the config file by hand. If there is a VideoRAM setting in >> there and you didn't put it in there yourself by hand, please >> file a bug report in bugzilla against redhat-config-xfree86. >referring to bug 107345, >why would it be a bug if there is a VideoRam size setting in Xfree86? Because the config tool should never be writing out the VideoRAM line to the config file. If it does, it's a bug. >It is indeed no longer present in my XFree86 config but the maximum >resolution offered by redhat-config-xfree86 is not very high (1024x768). >I thought that was *because* the VideoRam size was lacking and that was >a bug? No. The VideoRAM setting should be removed from the entire userbase of XFree86's collective brains and never ever used ever - unless someone has a video card which the video driver is unable to detect the proper video RAM amount on - which is very rare and only on very older cards which are considered quite ancient nowadays. The Radeon driver ignores the VideoRAM setting if supplied anyway and does not permit the user to override the detected memory. -- Mike A. Harris ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris OS Systems Engineer - XFree86 maintainer - Red Hat From mharris at redhat.com Fri Oct 31 07:10:35 2003 From: mharris at redhat.com (Mike A. Harris) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 02:10:35 -0500 (EST) Subject: OpenGL screensavers MUCH slower now In-Reply-To: <3FA16C94.2050501@atl.lmco.com> References: <3FA16C94.2050501@atl.lmco.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 30 Oct 2003, Douglas Stewart wrote: >Since the slew of upgrades over the past few days, I've noticed that >OpenGL screensavers run far, far slower than they used to. Also, when >they run, my laptop fan kicks on with far greater frequency than it ever >used to. > >Any ideas as to what's going on? It's a Dell Inspiron 4150 with a ATI >Radeon Mobility 7500 (using the "radeon" driver FC ships with.) > >Should I perhaps try the ATI-provided binary driver? Since nothing has changed in the Radeon drivers or X server, libGL, DRI drivers, etc. whatsoever in a long time, it is highly unlikely that any performance loss is an XFree86 driver induced problem. Oddly enough, Ingo Molnar, and several other people have remarked to me this week that OpenGL performance has magically sped up dramatically lately. I haven't changed anything which would change performance up or down, so I'm surprised anyone sees any difference at all. My guess is something in the kernel changed. Personally, I see no change in performance either way. -- Mike A. Harris ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris OS Systems Engineer - XFree86 maintainer - Red Hat From mharris at redhat.com Fri Oct 31 07:17:38 2003 From: mharris at redhat.com (Mike A. Harris) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 02:17:38 -0500 (EST) Subject: OpenGL screensavers MUCH slower now In-Reply-To: <3FA1832D.6060804@atl.lmco.com> References: <3FA16C94.2050501@atl.lmco.com> <1067544319.22217.6.camel@jeremy.dtcc.cc.nc.us> <3FA17208.6010002@atl.lmco.com> <20031030210741.GH10823@redhat.com> <3FA1832D.6060804@atl.lmco.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 30 Oct 2003, Douglas Stewart wrote: >Hmmm. Took a look at the log file. XFree86-DRI extension loads w/o >error, as does the radeon driver. In fact, no errors are reported >whatsoever. (i.e., no (EE)'s in sight). Please put your entire log file and config file somewhere on the web or ftp and post the URL and we'll examine it. -- Mike A. Harris ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris OS Systems Engineer - XFree86 maintainer - Red Hat From mharris at redhat.com Fri Oct 31 07:25:33 2003 From: mharris at redhat.com (Mike A. Harris) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 02:25:33 -0500 (EST) Subject: The fonts now are too obscure to see after updating today. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, 31 Oct 2003, [gb2312] ? ? wrote: >Greeting everyone. >I update the XFree86 to 4.3.0-42 today. Updated from what previous XFree86 release? >I notice that the fonts change a lot now. However, I think they >are worse than before. Interesting... considering nothing has changed in XFree86 for quite a long time now that might affect fonts. >If you are somebody like me, who choose Chinese as default, you >will find the characters become so obscure now. I believe that >if this is still existed, fedora should not be released. I use a >notebook with 14.1 @ 1024*768. So I try to reset fonts using LCD >mode in font setting. But it seems no changes happened. > >So please chech-out want is wrong in that. We'll need a lot more information than that to be able to investigate anything. Fonts should work no different now than they did even a few months ago. There are no new font related bugs reported in bugzilla that I can see. If there was a widespread problem of ugly fonts all of a sudden, bugzilla would probably be quite flooded with bug reports about font problems. I suspect this is just a local font installation issue. If you've ever manually installed Asian fonts which supply their own fonts.scale and/or fonts.dir files and don't function properly with ttmkfdir/mkfontdir generated font metadata files, then this is a likely cause of the problem. Can you provide screenshots? -- Mike A. Harris ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris OS Systems Engineer - XFree86 maintainer - Red Hat From michael-ring at t-online.de Fri Oct 31 08:22:50 2003 From: michael-ring at t-online.de (Michael Ring) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 09:22:50 +0100 Subject: Up2Date looses installed packages during update (showstopper?) In-Reply-To: <1067526512.8431.1.camel@bettie.internal.frields.org> References: <20031029230835.10858.qmail@web10705.mail.yahoo.com> <1067526512.8431.1.camel@bettie.internal.frields.org> Message-ID: <3FA21BDA.2010007@t-online.de> I used up2date yesterday and it had to update about 20 packages. During it installation of kernel-source up2date died because it could not install the package. The problem now is, that all packages that where to be installed after kernel-source are de-installed! Now, on my system openoffice and, of course, kernel-source are missing! There were another 10 packages that might not be there, but unfortunately I updated in a console window so there is no scrollback buffer available to find out what other packages are missing. I can live with this happening during the test-phase of fedora, but I think this is a showstopper for production! Michael I've entered a bug in bugzilla. ID is 108691 From lists at reforge.fi Fri Oct 31 09:30:10 2003 From: lists at reforge.fi (Lauri Jutila) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 11:30:10 +0200 Subject: OO won't create/open documents In-Reply-To: <1067550127.3628.3.camel@linux.linuxparatodos.com.mx> References: <1067546981.20571.7.camel@Darkstar> <1067550127.3628.3.camel@linux.linuxparatodos.com.mx> Message-ID: <1067592610.5449.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> Thanks to all responders, moving/removing ~/.openoffice did the trick. I was indeed using 1.1.0-2 previously. -- Lauri Jutila Chief Linux Fellow, Reforge lists at reforge.fi http://www.reforge.fi From reader at newsguy.com Fri Oct 31 09:40:55 2003 From: reader at newsguy.com (Harry Putnam) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 03:40:55 -0600 Subject: Up2Date looses installed packages during update (showstopper?) In-Reply-To: <3FA21BDA.2010007@t-online.de> (Michael Ring's message of "Fri, 31 Oct 2003 09:22:50 +0100") References: <20031029230835.10858.qmail@web10705.mail.yahoo.com> <1067526512.8431.1.camel@bettie.internal.frields.org> <3FA21BDA.2010007@t-online.de> Message-ID: michael-ring at t-online.de (Michael Ring) writes: > Now, on my system openoffice and, of course, kernel-source are > missing! There were another 10 packages that might not be there, but > unfortunately I updated in a console window so there is no scrollback > buffer available to find out what other packages are missing. Just a side note: You can look at /var/log/rpmpkgs Or one of its rotated logs to see what was installed before. From 1midniterider at comcast.net Fri Oct 31 09:59:28 2003 From: 1midniterider at comcast.net (Marcus White) Date: 31 Oct 2003 04:59:28 -0500 Subject: bogus rawhide entries?? (desktop-backgrounds-basic 2.0.17) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1067594367.1524.135.camel@tbird> I'm seeing this same error with redhat-config-httpd-1.1.0-5 On Thu, 2003-10-30 at 14:27, Vanco, Don wrote: > I should mention that the "rpm" (below) did, in fact, contain nothing but > HTML > > > > > Is this the same issue that others have seen with up2date pulling (well, > attempting to pull) rawhide files that no longer exist??? > > [root at localhost up2date]# rpm -Fvh desktop-backgrounds-* > error: open of error: open of HTML failed: No such file or directory > error: open of PUBLIC failed: No such file or directory > > ....the problematic file was actually > desktop-backgrounds-basic-2.0.17.noarch.rpm Worthy of Bugzilla? > > Don > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list -- Marcus White <1midniterider at comcast.net> From matthias at rpmforge.net Fri Oct 31 10:17:23 2003 From: matthias at rpmforge.net (Matthias Saou) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 11:17:23 +0100 Subject: Testing current rawhide... In-Reply-To: <1067539456.1652.115.camel@edoras.local.net> References: <20031030094936.A3127@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <20031030193106.0563974b.matthias@rpmforge.net> <1067539456.1652.115.camel@edoras.local.net> Message-ID: <20031031111723.0f09ad4e.matthias@rpmforge.net> Jeremy Katz wrote : > On Thu, 2003-10-30 at 13:31, Matthias Saou wrote: > > Well, the first important issue I found is that the latest > > "bootdisk.img" file (timestamped Oct 30 10:23) doesn't boot. The > > previous one was fine, but this one gives : > [snip] > > I haven't tried going through the floppy image, but there seems to be a > > problem. > > This is just bootdisk.img not being created correctly due to wonkiness > with the build machine last night. boot.iso appears to be fine Argh :-( Well, unless it's fixed fast and there is then enough time before the final files "go gold", it will have kept me from doing last minute nfs/ftp/http test installs :-/ Matthias -- Clean custom Red Hat Linux rpm packages : http://freshrpms.net/ Fedora Core release 1 (Yarrow) - Linux kernel 2.4.22-1.2115.nptl Load : 0.84 0.77 0.54 From mharris at redhat.com Fri Oct 31 10:18:31 2003 From: mharris at redhat.com (Mike A. Harris) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 05:18:31 -0500 (EST) Subject: Testing current rawhide... In-Reply-To: <1067574796.1524.125.camel@tbird> References: <20031030094936.A3127@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1067574796.1524.125.camel@tbird> Message-ID: On Thu, 30 Oct 2003, Marcus White wrote: >Are there update iso's? > >On Thu, 2003-10-30 at 09:49, Michael K. Johnson wrote: >> We're at the point of cutting candidate trees for the release, so >> testing current rawhide would be VERY useful. >> >> In particular, the 2.4.22-1.2115.nptl kernel is a new build and >> could use hammering, and the installer has changed and testing >> the images would be great; nfs, ftp, and http installs should all >> work. >> >> Other packages that we'd like last-minute testing on include >> samba, apache, bind, sendmail, ntp, mozilla, openoffice.org, >> and gnome-terminal. >> >> Be aware that we're looking specifically for SERIOUS AND MAJOR >> REGRESSIONS, not for annoyances you didn't think to file in >> bugzilla before. We are looking for (and hoping not to hear) >> "Monday's kernel works, today my machine crashes on boot" or >> "test3's samba served content, today it doesn't" or that kind >> of thing. There are internally, although I don't know if they were made publically available or not. I believe there would be high value in making them publically available though for some external final testing, but I'm not sure what the official plan is. mkj: Any chance we can push the latest test ISOs out for people to do final/semi-final testing? TTYL (This feels odd replying on bottom to a mail that was replied on top. Probably looks very confusing to people reading it too. Ah well, I refuse to reply on top, which is broken, so I'm sure people will deal with it, or start a "Why reply on top is considered harmful" flamewar or something. ) -- Mike A. Harris ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris OS Systems Engineer - XFree86 maintainer - Red Hat From reader at newsguy.com Fri Oct 31 11:14:51 2003 From: reader at newsguy.com (Harry Putnam) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 05:14:51 -0600 Subject: Build emacs from sources fails on compiler In-Reply-To: (Jens Petersen's message of "Fri, 31 Oct 2003 11:26:58 +0900") References: Message-ID: Jens Petersen writes: >>>>>> "HP" == Harry Putnam writes: > > HP> Setup: test3 updated to 10/28 (athlon-tbird (1.3gh) > > HP> I remember seeing some mention of emacs problems > HP> awhile ago here. > > There was a dumper problem that has now been worked around > by building with "setarch i386" in emacs-21.3-7. But the > problem you describe below during configure looks quite > different from that... > > HP> Trying to compile emacs from cvs > HP> sources fails with these error messages: > > Emacs cvs head's configure runs fine for me on my box here > with gcc-3.2.2-1 though it is mostly still test3. > > HP> checking for C compiler default > HP> output... configure: error: C compiler cannot > HP> create executables > > HP> See `config.log' for more details. > > Does config.log give you any clues? I didn't have gcc installed ... erk. I was a victim of one of those upgrades that leaves some packages out. .. There have been several reports of that. But even after installing gcc, I still get a segfault during dumping. You mentioned `setarch i386'. How does one set that during build? Doesn't seem to be a configure flag. Running: make distclean ./configure make bootstrap Results in a segfault when dumping at the end: [...] Loading vc-hooks (source)... Loading ediff-hook (source)... ((212580 . 2335) (11018 . 0) (570 . 209) 1479379 228359 (61 . 8) (18 . 43) (22859 . 325)) Finding pointers to doc strings... Finding pointers to doc strings...done Dumping under names emacs and emacs-21.3.50 make[1]: *** [bootstrap-emacs] Segmentation fault make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/local/src/cvs/emacs/src' make: *** [bootstrap] Error 2 From pboy at barkhof.uni-bremen.de Fri Oct 31 10:11:53 2003 From: pboy at barkhof.uni-bremen.de (Peter Boy) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 11:11:53 +0100 Subject: Fedora Matrox dual head crashes OpenOffice (was: Testing current rawhide... ) In-Reply-To: <20031030094936.A3127@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <20031030094936.A3127@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1067595113.16421.73.camel@ibmLaptop.athome.de> Am Do, den 30.10.2003 schrieb Michael K. Johnson um 15:49: > We're at the point of cutting candidate trees for the release, so > testing current rawhide would be VERY useful. Hardware: IBM IntelliStation dual P III, Matrox G550 DVI Dual Head (analog), Xinerama mode Each time when I start OpenOffice and open a document (some documents, unfortunately not every), OpenOffice crashes. The window freezes and I have to use kill to stop it. If I disable xinerama and and use only 1 monitor, I can work with the documents in question. It doesn't matter wether I use the smp or the uni kernel. Must be related to Fedora specific issues. Installing SuSE or Mandrake on the very same hardware does work. Bug: 108700 P.S.: Please, can someone explain, how to attach a file to a bug report? If I click the bugzilla suplied link I can specify a file (including the full path), a comment and a description. After clicking on submit I have to login another time and then I get an error message, I would not have file. From david.ponce at wanadoo.fr Fri Oct 31 11:36:37 2003 From: david.ponce at wanadoo.fr (David Ponce) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 12:36:37 +0100 Subject: Build emacs from sources fails on compiler In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3FA24945.5070205@wanadoo.fr> Hi, > But even after installing gcc, I still get a segfault during dumping. > You mentioned `setarch i386'. How does one set that during build? > > Doesn't seem to be a configure flag. > > Running: > make distclean > ./configure > make bootstrap > > Results in a segfault when dumping at the end: I used the following with success to build Emacs 21 from CVS: setarch i386 ./configure setarch i386 make bootstrap Hope this will help. David From rpjday at mindspring.com Fri Oct 31 11:58:21 2003 From: rpjday at mindspring.com (Robert P. J. Day) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 06:58:21 -0500 (EST) Subject: so ... how do i get a graphical boot? Message-ID: i realize that the graphical boot has been discussed on numerous occasions, but frankly, i've never seen one on my system (currently running FC3). how do i get one? (at the moment, i see the standard line-oriented boot i've seen for years). i've verified that /etc/sysconfig/init contains BOOTUP=color GRAPHICAL=yes i've perused /etc/rc.sysinit and the conditions look like they'd be satisfied. /usr/bin/rhgb is there. the file /proc/cmdline does not contain the string "nogui". so what am i missing? i figured it would be nice to see this graphical boot thingie at least once. rday From kjb at dds.nl Fri Oct 31 12:00:18 2003 From: kjb at dds.nl (Klaasjan Brand) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 13:00:18 +0100 Subject: Fedora Matrox dual head crashes OpenOffice In-Reply-To: <1067595113.16421.73.camel@ibmLaptop.athome.de> References: <20031030094936.A3127@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1067595113.16421.73.camel@ibmLaptop.athome.de> Message-ID: <3FA24ED2.3070602@dds.nl> Peter Boy wrote: >Am Do, den 30.10.2003 schrieb Michael K. Johnson um 15:49: > > >>We're at the point of cutting candidate trees for the release, so >>testing current rawhide would be VERY useful. >> >> > >Hardware: IBM IntelliStation dual P III, Matrox G550 DVI Dual Head >(analog), Xinerama mode > > >Each time when I start OpenOffice and open a document (some documents, >unfortunately not every), OpenOffice crashes. The window freezes and I >have to use kill to stop it. > >If I disable xinerama and and use only 1 monitor, I can work with the >documents in question. It doesn't matter wether I use the smp or the uni >kernel. > >Must be related to Fedora specific issues. Installing SuSE or Mandrake >on the very same hardware does work. > >Bug: 108700 > > There was a check in OpenOffice 1.0 which disabled anti-aliased fonts in a Xinerama configuration because some drivers (especially the XFree 4.0/4.1 matrox driver) were buggy and could crash the X server. Maybe the Red Hat OpenOffice rpm's include a remnant of that workaround? Klaasjan From dennis at ausil.us Fri Oct 31 12:08:12 2003 From: dennis at ausil.us (Dennis Gilmore) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 22:08:12 +1000 Subject: so ... how do i get a graphical boot? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1067602091.3496.6.camel@ws2.dgilmore.net> On Fri, 2003-10-31 at 21:58, Robert P. J. Day wrote: > i realize that the graphical boot has been discussed on numerous > occasions, but frankly, i've never seen one on my system (currently > running FC3). how do i get one? (at the moment, i see the standard > line-oriented boot i've seen for years). > > i've verified that /etc/sysconfig/init contains > > BOOTUP=color > GRAPHICAL=yes > > i've perused /etc/rc.sysinit and the conditions look like they'd be > satisfied. /usr/bin/rhgb is there. the file /proc/cmdline does not > contain the string "nogui". so what am i missing? > > i figured it would be nice to see this graphical boot thingie at > least once. you need to apend rhgb to the end of your boot line the same as you do for hdd=ide-scsi for a burner and you need to have the rhgb pacake installed of course. Dennis From pauln at truemesh.com Fri Oct 31 12:09:16 2003 From: pauln at truemesh.com (Paul Nasrat) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 12:09:16 +0000 Subject: so ... how do i get a graphical boot? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20031031120915.GF31078@shitake.truemesh.com> On Fri, Oct 31, 2003 at 06:58:21AM -0500, Robert P. J. Day wrote: > i've perused /etc/rc.sysinit and the conditions look like they'd be > satisfied. /usr/bin/rhgb is there. the file /proc/cmdline does not > contain the string "nogui". so what am i missing? ensure rhgb is in /proc/cmdline edit grub.conf as appropriate (or just append on a single boot). > i figured it would be nice to see this graphical boot thingie at > least once. I turned it back on and was most impressed. Paul From laroche at redhat.com Fri Oct 31 12:09:05 2003 From: laroche at redhat.com (Florian La Roche) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 07:09:05 -0500 Subject: so ... how do i get a graphical boot? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20031031120905.GA7233@dudweiler.stuttgart.redhat.com> On Fri, Oct 31, 2003 at 06:58:21AM -0500, Robert P. J. Day wrote: > > i realize that the graphical boot has been discussed on numerous > occasions, but frankly, i've never seen one on my system (currently > running FC3). how do i get one? (at the moment, i see the standard > line-oriented boot i've seen for years). > > i've verified that /etc/sysconfig/init contains > > BOOTUP=color > GRAPHICAL=yes > > i've perused /etc/rc.sysinit and the conditions look like they'd be > satisfied. /usr/bin/rhgb is there. the file /proc/cmdline does not > contain the string "nogui". so what am i missing? > > i figured it would be nice to see this graphical boot thingie at > least once. You need the "rhgb" boot option, otherwise it is not enabled. greetings, Florian La Roche From rpjday at mindspring.com Fri Oct 31 12:23:16 2003 From: rpjday at mindspring.com (Robert P. J. Day) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 07:23:16 -0500 (EST) Subject: so ... how do i get a graphical boot? In-Reply-To: <20031031120905.GA7233@dudweiler.stuttgart.redhat.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 31 Oct 2003, Florian La Roche wrote: (regarding my query about getting a graphical boot ...) > You need the "rhgb" boot option, otherwise it is not enabled. ok, that certainly wasn't obvious from perusing the early startup files. what looks like the relevant excerpt from /etc/rc.sysinit: ------------------------ RHGB_STARTED=0 mount -n -t devpts /dev/pts /dev/pts if ! fgrep -q nogui /proc/cmdline && [ "$BOOTUP" = "color" -a "$GRAPHICAL" = "yes" -a -x /usr/bin/rhgb ]; then /usr/bin/rhgb RHGB_STARTED=1 fi ------------------------ since i don't see any check for a boot-line "rhgb", but there is a check for "nogui", is it then the kernel itself that is checking for the "rhgb" string on the command line? or, more to the point, where does that "rhgb" boot option kick in? just being nitpicky, as usual. rday From nbecker at hns.com Fri Oct 31 12:29:16 2003 From: nbecker at hns.com (Neal D. Becker) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 07:29:16 -0500 Subject: Wanted - kernel 2.6 RPM including misc changes Message-ID: <200310310729.16617.nbecker@hns.com> Currently, we have a set of kernel-2.6test rpms, but AFAIK, these don't quite do everything needed to convert fedora to 2.6 kernel. People still need to do some editing, such as mkdir /sys edit /etc/fstab edit /etc/rc.sysinit I think it would be useful to include this stuff in an rpm. From mike.lurk at sympatico.ca Fri Oct 31 12:39:07 2003 From: mike.lurk at sympatico.ca (Mike Lurk) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 07:39:07 -0500 Subject: Culpability and RELEASE-NOTES Message-ID: <1067603947.11969.3.camel@Darkstar> Message: 19 Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 22:24:53 -0500 From: leam To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com Subject: Re: Culpability and RELEASE-NOTES Reply-To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com Ed wrote: > On Thu, 2003-10-30 at 15:57, leam wrote: > >>Edward C. Bailey wrote: > > >>Hmph... you'd never make it in corporate america Ed. You need to blame >>the problem on someone else. Easy targets are SCO, solar flares, or >>"overly aggressive marketing deadlines". > > > You forgot to blame Microsoft too. Shame on you. > > > > -- > Edward Simmonds RHCE, OCP Nyah.....who ever heard of anything from Microsoft staying up long enough to accomplish anything? The box that the software comes in makes a nice paper weight. That is accomplishing something. Mike From rpjday at mindspring.com Fri Oct 31 12:41:30 2003 From: rpjday at mindspring.com (Robert P. J. Day) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 07:41:30 -0500 (EST) Subject: Wanted - kernel 2.6 RPM including misc changes In-Reply-To: <200310310729.16617.nbecker@hns.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 31 Oct 2003, Neal D. Becker wrote: > Currently, we have a set of kernel-2.6test rpms, but AFAIK, these don't quite > do everything needed to convert fedora to 2.6 kernel. People still need to > do some editing, such as > > mkdir /sys > edit /etc/fstab > edit /etc/rc.sysinit > > I think it would be useful to include this stuff in an rpm. i've mentioned this a couple of times. as a starting point, here's one URL: http://thomer.com/linux/migrate-to-2.6.html but with the latest release of fedora, some of it is now redundant. the bigger problem is that what would be ideal is a /etc/rc.sysinit file that's compatible with both 2.4 and 2.6 kernels, since it's not unreasonable for some folks to want to test drive the 2.6 kernel, but switch back to 2.4 after they're done playing. so making permanent 2.6-related changes to /etc/rc.sysinit seems inflexible. and, after having made a few of these changes myself to /etc/rc.sysinit, it was a bit annoying to have had the automatic "yum" update clobber it with a newer, stock version. dang. forgot to take that into account. and as mr. becker suggests, some files can be extended to handle things like people adding support for the sysfs filesystem. this would require changes to all of /etc/rc.sysinit, /etc/fstab and /etc/init.d/halt (see thomer's web page for the details). so it does seem time to extend /etc/rc.sysinit, among others, to be more general. rday From mike.lurk at sympatico.ca Fri Oct 31 12:52:40 2003 From: mike.lurk at sympatico.ca (Mike Lurk) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 07:52:40 -0500 Subject: OpenGL screensavers MUCH slower now Message-ID: <1067604697.11969.10.camel@Darkstar> Message: 29 Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 02:10:35 -0500 (EST) From: "Mike A. Harris" To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com Subject: Re: OpenGL screensavers MUCH slower now Organization: Red Hat Inc. Reply-To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com On Thu, 30 Oct 2003, Douglas Stewart wrote: >Since the slew of upgrades over the past few days, I've noticed that >OpenGL screensavers run far, far slower than they used to. Also, when >they run, my laptop fan kicks on with far greater frequency than it ever >used to. > >Any ideas as to what's going on? It's a Dell Inspiron 4150 with a ATI >Radeon Mobility 7500 (using the "radeon" driver FC ships with.) > >Should I perhaps try the ATI-provided binary driver? Since nothing has changed in the Radeon drivers or X server, libGL, DRI drivers, etc. whatsoever in a long time, it is highly unlikely that any performance loss is an XFree86 driver induced problem. Oddly enough, Ingo Molnar, and several other people have remarked to me this week that OpenGL performance has magically sped up dramatically lately. I haven't changed anything which would change performance up or down, so I'm surprised anyone sees any difference at all. My guess is something in the kernel changed. Personally, I see no change in performance either way. -- Mike A. Harris ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris OS Systems Engineer - XFree86 maintainer - Red Hat I have been checking out the GL screensavers since the original release and this last release has actually worked better. The screensavers have been choppy but now they are are a lot better, smooth and no choppyness. My machine is an older pIII 600 and a I810 video with 256 megs of ram. Mike From bfox at redhat.com Fri Oct 31 13:35:17 2003 From: bfox at redhat.com (Brent Fox) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 08:35:17 -0500 Subject: Uh-oh, firstboot still says "TEST"! In-Reply-To: <20031031005841.GL10427@ip68-4-255-84.oc.oc.cox.net> References: <20031031005841.GL10427@ip68-4-255-84.oc.oc.cox.net> Message-ID: <20031031133517.GA4592@redhat.com> On Thu, Oct 30, 2003 at 04:58:41PM -0800, Barry K. Nathan wrote: > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=108671 > > Firstboot still says "TEST" in one of its logos. Given how "TEST" has > been removed from the desktop background and the installer, perhaps this > is an oversight? > > If this is indeed an oversight, please make sure it gets fixed before > the final release! We caught this yesterday afternoon and fixed it. Thanks for pointing this out. Cheers, Brent From jjramsey_6x9eq42 at yahoo.com Fri Oct 31 13:41:07 2003 From: jjramsey_6x9eq42 at yahoo.com (James J. Ramsey) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 05:41:07 -0800 (PST) Subject: Culpability and RELEASE-NOTES In-Reply-To: <1067603947.11969.3.camel@Darkstar> Message-ID: <20031031134107.4639.qmail@web10708.mail.yahoo.com> --- Mike Lurk wrote: > > Ed wrote: > > On Thu, 2003-10-30 at 15:57, leam wrote: > > > >>Edward C. Bailey wrote: > > > > > >>Hmph... you'd never make it in corporate america > Ed. You need to blame > >>the problem on someone else. Easy targets are SCO, > solar flares, or > >>"overly aggressive marketing deadlines". > > > > You forgot to blame Microsoft too. Shame on you. > > > > Nyah.....who ever heard of anything from Microsoft > staying up long > enough to accomplish anything? > > The box that the software comes in makes a nice > paper weight. That is > accomplishing something. Hey, hey, hey! Take it to Slashdot. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/ From don.vanco at agilysys.com Fri Oct 31 13:52:11 2003 From: don.vanco at agilysys.com (Vanco, Don) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 08:52:11 -0500 Subject: issue with gpm Message-ID: I had an issue with gpm - want to see if others have it as well. Steps to reproduce: boot to runlevel 5 hop to VC1 try mouse (mine did nothing) What I did: went to runlevel 3 (gpm stopped and restarted) - no change went to runlevel 1 then back to 3 (ibid, no change) Initial install of T3 was w/3 button PS/2 I fixed it by running mouseconfig and setting the mouse to 2-button PS/2 with emulation. (BTW - a "service gpm restart" did nothing). This fixed it - but if I go in and set up for a 3 button PS/2 gpm then fails _occasionally_. If I flop back and forth between 2-button and 3-button I get very inconsistent behaviour. It seems to be working now so this is going to be a tough one to bugzilla. System is an IBM StinkPad A21m (3 button PS/2) Don From jjramsey_6x9eq42 at yahoo.com Fri Oct 31 13:56:41 2003 From: jjramsey_6x9eq42 at yahoo.com (James J. Ramsey) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 05:56:41 -0800 (PST) Subject: Testing current rawhide... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20031031135641.69512.qmail@web10704.mail.yahoo.com> --- "Mike A. Harris" wrote: > On Thu, 30 Oct 2003, Marcus White wrote: > > There are internally, although I don't know if they > were made > publically available or not. I believe there would > be high value > in making them publically available though for some > external > final testing, but I'm not sure what the official > plan is. > > mkj: Any chance we can push the latest test ISOs > out for people > to do final/semi-final testing? I'd see some value in having a further set of test ISOs. I have a ye olde CD-ROM that doesn't like DMA, so I'd be a good guinea pig for testing whether the BOOT kernel *really* only enabled DMA for hard drives. This was in the kernel changelog: * Fri Oct 10 2003 Dave Jones - Only enable DMA on hard disks in the BOOT kernel. However, I still needed to pass ide=nodma to the boot prompt to get Fedora test3 to install, so apparently either that change didn't make it to the test3 kernel, or the attempted change didn't work. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/ From mike.lurk at sympatico.ca Fri Oct 31 13:57:09 2003 From: mike.lurk at sympatico.ca (Mike Lurk) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 08:57:09 -0500 Subject: flash plugin Message-ID: <1067608628.11969.20.camel@Darkstar> Has anyone figured out the problem with the flash plugin for Mozilla. It still doesn't show up in Mozilla plugins section under help in the Mozilla browser (ver 1.4 and 1.5). Are there fonts missing ? I haven't tried to use the latest version of Netscape to see if it does the same thing. Mike From jjramsey_6x9eq42 at yahoo.com Fri Oct 31 14:05:28 2003 From: jjramsey_6x9eq42 at yahoo.com (James J. Ramsey) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 06:05:28 -0800 (PST) Subject: so ... how do i get a graphical boot? In-Reply-To: <20031031120905.GA7233@dudweiler.stuttgart.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20031031140528.79368.qmail@web10707.mail.yahoo.com> --- Florian La Roche wrote: > On Fri, Oct 31, 2003 at 06:58:21AM -0500, Robert P. > J. Day wrote: > > > i figured it would be nice to see this graphical > boot thingie at > > least once. > > You need the "rhgb" boot option, otherwise it is not > enabled. Shouldn't it be considered a bug that the "rhgb" boot option isn't added by default? The whole point of the graphical boot is to look good for newbies, who wouldn't and probably shouldn't be editing grub.conf. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/ From jjramsey_6x9eq42 at yahoo.com Fri Oct 31 14:09:00 2003 From: jjramsey_6x9eq42 at yahoo.com (James J. Ramsey) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 06:09:00 -0800 (PST) Subject: flash plugin In-Reply-To: <1067608628.11969.20.camel@Darkstar> Message-ID: <20031031140900.23545.qmail@web10705.mail.yahoo.com> --- Mike Lurk wrote: > Has anyone figured out the problem with the flash > plugin for Mozilla. It > still doesn't show up in Mozilla plugins section > under help in the > Mozilla browser (ver 1.4 and 1.5). Are there fonts > missing ? I haven't > tried to use the latest version of Netscape to see > if it does the same > thing. Yeah, there a missing library, which you can see if you run ldd /path/to/libflashplayer.so | grep "not found" Just install the compat-libstdc++ package. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/ From gstool at earthlink.net Fri Oct 31 14:13:26 2003 From: gstool at earthlink.net (Gerry Tool) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 08:13:26 -0600 Subject: rhgb reverts to "no details" after check for new hardware Message-ID: <1067609606.5804.3.camel@gstpc.earthlink.net> When I boot on my fully updated FC test3 system, and select show details, the screen shows a few lines of details and then after the check for new hardware reverts to the summary screen with no details. I didn't try a second click on show details to see what it does. Gerry From stuart at terminus.co.uk Fri Oct 31 14:13:51 2003 From: stuart at terminus.co.uk (Stuart Children) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 14:13:51 +0000 Subject: Testing current rawhide... (LVM snapshots) In-Reply-To: <1067538362.3072.43.camel@mentor.gurulabs.com> References: <20031030094936.A3127@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1067538362.3072.43.camel@mentor.gurulabs.com> Message-ID: <20031031141351.GA29624@urchin.earth.li> On Thu, Oct 30, 2003 at 11:26:02AM -0700, Dax Kelson wrote: > On Thu, 2003-10-30 at 07:49, Michael K. Johnson wrote: > > In particular, the 2.4.22-1.2115.nptl kernel is a new build and > > could use hammering, > > Are LVM snapshots with ext3 working now? I would test but I no > environment to do so in at this exact moment. > > They worked in RHL8.0, and having been broken in RHL9 the whole time. > > I noticed that the taroon RHEL kernel got a fix from Tweedie for LVM > snapshots on ext3 back in August. I've no idea whether RH have applied the patch or not I'm afraid. However, in case you aren't aware of it already, the issue is described briefly here: http://www.kerneltraffic.org/kernel-traffic/kt20031027_238.html#4 In short, it's a general problem with journaled filesystms and lvm in current 2.4 kernels. There is a patch around (not linked from the above URL unfortunately). It hasn't been included in the mainstream kernel yet, but will be in a future release (after 2.4.23). HTH -- Stuart From johnsonm at redhat.com Fri Oct 31 14:16:17 2003 From: johnsonm at redhat.com (Michael K. Johnson) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 09:16:17 -0500 Subject: Up2Date looses installed packages during update (showstopper?) In-Reply-To: <3FA21BDA.2010007@t-online.de>; from michael-ring@t-online.de on Fri, Oct 31, 2003 at 09:22:50AM +0100 References: <20031029230835.10858.qmail@web10705.mail.yahoo.com> <1067526512.8431.1.camel@bettie.internal.frields.org> <3FA21BDA.2010007@t-online.de> Message-ID: <20031031091617.A1012@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Fri, Oct 31, 2003 at 09:22:50AM +0100, Michael Ring wrote: > I used up2date yesterday and it had to update about 20 packages. > > During it installation of kernel-source up2date died because it could > not install the package. The problem now is, that all packages that > where to be installed after kernel-source are de-installed! > > Now, on my system openoffice and, of course, kernel-source are missing! > There were another 10 packages that might not be there, but > unfortunately I updated in a console window so there is no scrollback > buffer available to find out what other packages are missing. /var/log/rpmpkgs* tell you what packages you used to have installed. michaelkjohnson "He that composes himself is wiser than he that composes a book." Linux Application Development -- Ben Franklin http://people.redhat.com/johnsonm/lad/ From gstool at earthlink.net Fri Oct 31 14:23:22 2003 From: gstool at earthlink.net (Gerry Tool) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 08:23:22 -0600 Subject: rhgb reverts to "no details" after check for new hardware In-Reply-To: <1067609606.5804.3.camel@gstpc.earthlink.net> References: <1067609606.5804.3.camel@gstpc.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <1067610202.5804.5.camel@gstpc.earthlink.net> On Fri, 2003-10-31 at 08:13, Gerry Tool wrote: > When I boot on my fully updated FC test3 system, and select show > details, the screen shows a few lines of details and then after the > check for new hardware reverts to the summary screen with no details. I > didn't try a second click on show details to see what it does. > added to bugzilla - # 108712. Gerry From balay at fastmail.fm Fri Oct 31 14:29:42 2003 From: balay at fastmail.fm (Satish Balay) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 08:29:42 -0600 (CST) Subject: bogus rawhide entries?? (desktop-backgrounds-basic 2.0.17) In-Reply-To: <1067594367.1524.135.camel@tbird> References: <1067594367.1524.135.camel@tbird> Message-ID: perhaps this is the same issue as the following bugzilla. The problem is with redhat ftp site - where the yum repository info (headers/header.info) is inconsitant with the files on the disk. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=107972 Satish On Fri, 31 Oct 2003, Marcus White wrote: > I'm seeing this same error with redhat-config-httpd-1.1.0-5 > > On Thu, 2003-10-30 at 14:27, Vanco, Don wrote: > > I should mention that the "rpm" (below) did, in fact, contain nothing but > > HTML > > > > > > > > > > Is this the same issue that others have seen with up2date pulling (well, > > attempting to pull) rawhide files that no longer exist??? > > > > [root at localhost up2date]# rpm -Fvh desktop-backgrounds-* > > error: open of > error: open of HTML failed: No such file or directory > > error: open of PUBLIC failed: No such file or directory > > > > ....the problematic file was actually > > desktop-backgrounds-basic-2.0.17.noarch.rpm Worthy of Bugzilla? > > > > Don > > > > > > -- > > fedora-test-list mailing list > > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > From nbecker at hns.com Fri Oct 31 14:30:54 2003 From: nbecker at hns.com (Neal D. Becker) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 09:30:54 -0500 Subject: 2.6 + lvm2 Message-ID: <200310310930.54859.nbecker@hns.com> I see some posts that I need to update lvm -> lvm2 BEFORE attempting to use 2.6 kernel. I didn't find much info on how to do this. I do see this: http://distro.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/distributions/suse/suse/x86-64/supplementary/Kernel-2.6-Test/lvm2-2.00.05-15.src.rpm Does fedora also need an lvm2 rpm? It isn't in the current fedora stuff. From acbk at zeelandnet.nl Fri Oct 31 14:32:36 2003 From: acbk at zeelandnet.nl (h.breimer) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 15:32:36 +0100 Subject: so ... how do i get a graphical boot? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20031031153236.18362b9f.acbk@zeelandnet.nl> On Fri, 31 Oct 2003 06:58:21 -0500 (EST) "Robert P. J. Day" wrote: > > i realize that the graphical boot has been discussed on numerous > occasions, but frankly, i've never seen one on my system (currently > running FC3). how do i get one? (at the moment, i see the standard > line-oriented boot i've seen for years). > > i've verified that /etc/sysconfig/init contains > > BOOTUP=color > GRAPHICAL=yes > > i've perused /etc/rc.sysinit and the conditions look like they'd be > satisfied. /usr/bin/rhgb is there. the file /proc/cmdline does not > contain the string "nogui". so what am i missing? > > i figured it would be nice to see this graphical boot thingie at > least once. > > rday > Quite some time ago there was the issue of rhgb only working when you did not have a separate partition for /usr. Is this still an issue? henk From whb at ceimaine.org Fri Oct 31 14:50:14 2003 From: whb at ceimaine.org (Will Backman) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 09:50:14 -0500 Subject: Nautilus SIGILL (WAS Re: Testing current rawhide...) In-Reply-To: <1067563701.12053.0.camel@max.localdomain> References: <20031030094936.A3127@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1067561272.3658.3.camel@max.localdomain> <1067563701.12053.0.camel@max.localdomain> Message-ID: <1067611814.1329.6.camel@dbxwsd21> > Prelink was the culprint -- the bug isn't as severe as I might have > thought. I re-ran the /etc/cron.daily/prelink script and everything was > peachy. Still seems like a prelink problem, though. Am I missing something? I have seen many people mention this cron script for prelink. I don't have it. This is an upgrade from RH9. Should I have it? From chrisw01 at privatei.com Fri Oct 31 14:51:22 2003 From: chrisw01 at privatei.com (Christopher A. Williams) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 07:51:22 -0700 Subject: Palm hotsync to memory card Message-ID: <1067611881.18625.3.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> Is there a way with gnome-pilot to sync data to and from the memory expansion card? I can't find anything specific, but this would be very useful for me. Cheers, Chris -- ==================================== "If you get to thinkin' you're a person of some influence, try orderin' someone else's dog around." --Cowboy Wisdom From mike.lurk at sympatico.ca Fri Oct 31 14:58:23 2003 From: mike.lurk at sympatico.ca (Mike Lurk) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 09:58:23 -0500 Subject: so ... how do i get a graphical boot? Message-ID: <1067612303.11969.32.camel@Darkstar> Message: 12 Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 06:58:21 -0500 (EST) From: "Robert P. J. Day" To: Fedora Test List Subject: so ... how do i get a graphical boot? Reply-To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com i realize that the graphical boot has been discussed on numerous occasions, but frankly, i've never seen one on my system (currently running FC3). how do i get one? (at the moment, i see the standard line-oriented boot i've seen for years). i've verified that /etc/sysconfig/init contains BOOTUP=color GRAPHICAL=yes i've perused /etc/rc.sysinit and the conditions look like they'd be satisfied. /usr/bin/rhgb is there. the file /proc/cmdline does not contain the string "nogui". so what am i missing? i figured it would be nice to see this graphical boot thingie at least once. rday In grub.conf look for the line; kernel /vmlinuz-2.4.22-1.2115.nptl ro root=LABEL=/ hdd=ide-scsi all you have to do is add rhgb to the end of the line and the graphical boot should come up. You might have a different kernel installed but it should look the same. Mike From rnix at prometheon.net Fri Oct 31 15:04:08 2003 From: rnix at prometheon.net (Ryan Nix) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 09:04:08 -0600 Subject: redhat-config-xfree86 bug In-Reply-To: <1067546391.2881.28.camel@bfox.devel.redhat.com> References: <3FA17204.6080005@prometheon.net> <1067546391.2881.28.camel@bfox.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <3FA279E8.3080502@prometheon.net> Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/share/redhat-config-xfree86/xConfigDialog.py", line 250, in ok self.xconfig.monitor.remove(1) IndexError: index out-of-bounds Brent Fox wrote: >On Thu, 2003-10-30 at 15:18, Ryan Nix wrote: > > >>Using the redhat-config-xfree86 gui doesn't seem to work. I think I >>might have seen a reference to this earlier this week but I'm not sure. >>I've tested it on two different Dell laptops and an older Gateway PIII. >>Anyone else have this problem? >> >> > >When running it from the command line, do you see any debug messages? > > >Cheers, > Brent > > >-- >fedora-test-list mailing list >fedora-test-list at redhat.com >http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > > > From eric at interplas.com Fri Oct 31 15:04:43 2003 From: eric at interplas.com (Eric Wood) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 10:04:43 -0500 Subject: so ... how do i get a graphical boot? References: <20031031140528.79368.qmail@web10707.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <082c01c39fc0$515889c0$9100000a@intgrp.com> James J. Ramsey wrote: > Shouldn't it be considered a bug that the "rhgb" boot > option isn't added by default? The whole point of the I don't have that option and I get the graphical boot after the kernel loads init. Does rhgb supposed to make the entire boot process graphical so I don't see the kernel messages? -eric wood From eric at interplas.com Fri Oct 31 15:05:56 2003 From: eric at interplas.com (Eric Wood) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 10:05:56 -0500 Subject: rhgb reverts to "no details" after check for new hardware References: <1067609606.5804.3.camel@gstpc.earthlink.net> <1067610202.5804.5.camel@gstpc.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <083601c39fc0$7c76bf00$9100000a@intgrp.com> Gerry Tool wrote: >> When I boot on my fully updated FC test3 system, and select show >> details, the screen shows a few lines of details and then after the >> check for new hardware reverts to the summary screen with no >> details. I didn't try a second click on show details to see what it >> does. >> > added to bugzilla - # 108712. Thanks, I noticed this bug too but didn't file it. -eric wood From p00mda at du.se Fri Oct 31 15:08:41 2003 From: p00mda at du.se (Mattias Dahlberg) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 16:08:41 +0100 (CET) Subject: up2date problems with rawhide In-Reply-To: <200310301850.36338.czar@czarc.net> Message-ID: On Thu, 30 Oct 2003, Gene C. wrote: > I have not plans to bugzilla this. If asked, my RFE would be to completely > bulletproof up2date and not just address this one problem because some other > situation will cause problems. Yes, I agree. Like the situation with incomplete downloads. Maybe up2date could check the size of the downloaded package and offer to retry if the download was incomplete? And if there's an RPM error during the installation process (like a bad key due to an incomplete download or something else) it would be nice if you could choose to install the rest of the packages. But error checking aside, the new generation up2date is a joy to use and I love the direction it's taking. Regards, Mattias From nosp at xades.com Fri Oct 31 15:13:51 2003 From: nosp at xades.com (nosp) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 15:13:51 +0000 Subject: Nautilus SIGILL (WAS Re: Testing current rawhide...) In-Reply-To: <1067611814.1329.6.camel@dbxwsd21> References: <20031030094936.A3127@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1067561272.3658.3.camel@max.localdomain> <1067563701.12053.0.camel@max.localdomain> <1067611814.1329.6.camel@dbxwsd21> Message-ID: <1067613230.9491.2.camel@earth.xades.com> On Fri, 2003-10-31 at 14:50, Will Backman wrote: > Am I missing something? I have seen many people mention this cron > script for prelink. I don't have it. This is an upgrade from RH9. > Should I have it? rpm -q prelink if you don't have it, up2date prelink or apt-get install prelink or yum it. From rpjday at mindspring.com Fri Oct 31 15:13:49 2003 From: rpjday at mindspring.com (Robert P. J. Day) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 10:13:49 -0500 (EST) Subject: how to run "generate-modprobe.conf" given a 2.6 kernel? Message-ID: i asked about this once upon a time, but don't recall seeing a solution, and there's nothing in bugzilla about it. given FC3 and a 2.6 kernel, how does one run /sbin/generate-modprobe.conf to generate the new modules config file? if you try it, the script fails saying there's no "modprobe.old" command, which is true. this may have worked when folks manually upgraded their "modutils" RPM and had both the new and old versions of those commands around, but it clearly fails now under FC3. so, what to do? rday p.s. yes, i'm bored and don't have enough to do. From nosp at xades.com Fri Oct 31 15:15:19 2003 From: nosp at xades.com (nosp) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 15:15:19 +0000 Subject: so ... how do i get a graphical boot? In-Reply-To: <20031031153236.18362b9f.acbk@zeelandnet.nl> References: <20031031153236.18362b9f.acbk@zeelandnet.nl> Message-ID: <1067613319.9491.4.camel@earth.xades.com> On Fri, 2003-10-31 at 14:32, h.breimer wrote: > Quite some time ago there was the issue of rhgb only working when you > did not have a separate partition for /usr. > Is this still an issue? Don't think so -- I have a separate /usr partition and it works for me. From jeremyp at pobox.com Fri Oct 31 15:19:04 2003 From: jeremyp at pobox.com (Jeremy Portzer) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 10:19:04 -0500 Subject: mirror fedora In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1067613543.26388.10.camel@jeremy.dtcc.cc.nc.us> On Thu, 2003-10-30 at 20:10, Harry Putnam wrote: > I've seen mention of people using rsync to mirror fedora. > What addresses and syntax are needed for that? Rsync is not available from the main Red Hat ftp servers, but is available from several mirrors. You would need to check with your favorite local mirror to see if they offer rsync access. --Jeremy -- /---------------------------------------------------------------------\ | Jeremy Portzer jeremyp at pobox.com trilug.org/~jeremy | | GPG Fingerprint: 712D 77C7 AB2D 2130 989F E135 6F9F F7BC CC1A 7B92 | \---------------------------------------------------------------------/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From jakub at redhat.com Fri Oct 31 15:21:17 2003 From: jakub at redhat.com (Jakub Jelinek) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 10:21:17 -0500 Subject: Nautilus SIGILL (WAS Re: Testing current rawhide...) In-Reply-To: <1067563701.12053.0.camel@max.localdomain>; from maxka@myrealbox.com on Thu, Oct 30, 2003 at 05:28:21PM -0800 References: <20031030094936.A3127@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1067561272.3658.3.camel@max.localdomain> <1067563701.12053.0.camel@max.localdomain> Message-ID: <20031031102117.W2097@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Thu, Oct 30, 2003 at 05:28:21PM -0800, Maxwell Kanat-Alexander wrote: > On Thu, 2003-10-30 at 16:47, Maxwell Kanat-Alexander wrote: > > It may be because of prelink, though I'm not sure. > > > > Just to update the list -- > > Prelink was the culprint -- the bug isn't as severe as I might have > thought. I re-ran the /etc/cron.daily/prelink script and everything was > peachy. Still seems like a prelink problem, though. Have you made copies of the problematic binary and its libraries? Without it there is no way to debug this... Jakub From rpjday at mindspring.com Fri Oct 31 15:21:54 2003 From: rpjday at mindspring.com (Robert P. J. Day) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 10:21:54 -0500 (EST) Subject: so ... how do i get a graphical boot? In-Reply-To: <082c01c39fc0$515889c0$9100000a@intgrp.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 31 Oct 2003, Eric Wood wrote: > James J. Ramsey wrote: > > Shouldn't it be considered a bug that the "rhgb" boot > > option isn't added by default? The whole point of the > > I don't have that option and I get the graphical boot after the kernel loads > init. Does rhgb supposed to make the entire boot process graphical so I > don't see the kernel messages? oh, crap, is it really because you might have /usr as a separate filesystem? here's the salient excerpt from /etc/rc.sysinit, which i just now noticed the problem in: ----------------------------------------------------- # Start the graphical boot, if necessary; /usr may not be mounted yet, so # we may have to do this again after mounting RHGB_STARTED=0 mount -n -t devpts /dev/pts /dev/pts if ! fgrep -q nogui /proc/cmdline && [ "$BOOTUP" = "color" -a "$GRAPHICAL" = "yes" -a -x /usr/bin/rhgb ]; then <---- HERE! /usr/bin/rhgb RHGB_STARTED=1 fi ------------------------------------------------------ as i read it, for a graphical boot to start, a number of things must be true, including the existence of /usr/bin/rhgb. which is false if /usr is a separate filesystem, since /etc/rc.sysinit hasn't mounted the other filesystems yet and there is no /usr/bin/rhgb. am i reading this correctly? so those of you who *don't* have a separate /usr have been getting a graphical boot all this time, right? rday From aoliva at redhat.com Fri Oct 31 15:27:40 2003 From: aoliva at redhat.com (Alexandre Oliva) Date: 31 Oct 2003 13:27:40 -0200 Subject: so ... how do i get a graphical boot? In-Reply-To: <20031031140528.79368.qmail@web10707.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20031031140528.79368.qmail@web10707.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Oct 31, 2003, "James J. Ramsey" wrote: > Shouldn't it be considered a bug that the "rhgb" boot > option isn't added by default? It is added by default. -- Alexandre Oliva Enjoy Guarana', see http://www.ic.unicamp.br/~oliva/ Red Hat GCC Developer aoliva@{redhat.com, gcc.gnu.org} CS PhD student at IC-Unicamp oliva@{lsd.ic.unicamp.br, gnu.org} Free Software Evangelist Professional serial bug killer From tomc at cloudnet.com Fri Oct 31 15:43:33 2003 From: tomc at cloudnet.com (Tom Cross) Date: 31 Oct 2003 09:43:33 -0600 Subject: Problem with Gnumeric printing Message-ID: <1067615013.19881.16.camel@meridian.kendeco.com> I have "Automatically find remote shared queues" enable in printconf. When I attempt to print to one of these automatically detected queues from gnumeric it doesn't work. The printer/queue will show up as one of the printers available, but nothing prints. If I do the same thing in abiword, it work just fine. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=108721 Let me know if there is any additional information or logs I need to provide. Thanks -- Tom Cross From don.vanco at agilysys.com Fri Oct 31 16:02:45 2003 From: don.vanco at agilysys.com (Vanco, Don) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 11:02:45 -0500 Subject: problem with rhgb Message-ID: Peter Boy wrote: > Am Do, den 30.10.2003 schrieb Andreas Sartori um 14:59: >> i have this in my grub.conf but it is not working.. >> >> title Fedora Core (2.4.22-1.2111.nptl) >> root (hd0,0) >> kernel /vmlinuz-2.4.22-1.2111.nptl ro,rhgb root=LABEL=/ >> initrd /initrd-2.4.22-1.2111.nptl.img >> >> >> its neither working with ro,rhgb nor ro rhgb. >> >> can you please tell me the correct syntax, would be nice. >> dont know why but it doenst seem to work, its a dumb problem i know >> but i dont know how to solve it > > wondering about it. my grub.conf reads: > > title Fedora Core (2.4.22-1.2111.nptl) > root (hd0,2) > kernel /vmlinuz-2.4.22-1.2111.nptl ro rhgb > root=/dev/Volume00/Test hdc=ide-scsi > initrd /initrd-2.4.22-1.2111.nptl.img > > and anything works just fine. This does not for me: title Fedora Core (2.4.22-1.2115.nptl) root (hd0,0) kernel /vmlinuz-2.4.22-1.2115.nptl ro rhgb root=LABEL=/ initrd /initrd-2.4.22-1.2115.nptl.img nor does: kernel /vmlinuz-2.4.22-1.2115.nptl ro root=LABEL=/ rhgb Don From dstewart at atl.lmco.com Fri Oct 31 16:05:48 2003 From: dstewart at atl.lmco.com (Douglas Stewart) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 11:05:48 -0500 Subject: problem with rhgb In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3FA2885C.2070508@atl.lmco.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Vanco, Don wrote: | Peter Boy wrote: | |>Am Do, den 30.10.2003 schrieb Andreas Sartori um 14:59: |> |>>i have this in my grub.conf but it is not working.. |>> |>>title Fedora Core (2.4.22-1.2111.nptl) |>> root (hd0,0) |>> kernel /vmlinuz-2.4.22-1.2111.nptl ro,rhgb root=LABEL=/ |>> initrd /initrd-2.4.22-1.2111.nptl.img |>> |>> |>>its neither working with ro,rhgb nor ro rhgb. |>> |>>can you please tell me the correct syntax, would be nice. |>>dont know why but it doenst seem to work, its a dumb problem i know |>>but i dont know how to solve it |> |>wondering about it. my grub.conf reads: |> |>title Fedora Core (2.4.22-1.2111.nptl) |> root (hd0,2) |> kernel /vmlinuz-2.4.22-1.2111.nptl ro rhgb |>root=/dev/Volume00/Test hdc=ide-scsi |> initrd /initrd-2.4.22-1.2111.nptl.img |> |>and anything works just fine. | | This does not for me: | | title Fedora Core (2.4.22-1.2115.nptl) | root (hd0,0) | kernel /vmlinuz-2.4.22-1.2115.nptl ro rhgb root=LABEL=/ | initrd /initrd-2.4.22-1.2115.nptl.img | | nor does: kernel /vmlinuz-2.4.22-1.2115.nptl ro root=LABEL=/ rhgb | | Don | | | -- | fedora-test-list mailing list | fedora-test-list at redhat.com | http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list Is your /usr a separate partition? IIRC, not having / and /usr on the same partition causes problems with rhgb. - -- - ---------- Doug Stewart Systems Administrator/Web Applications Developer Lockheed Martin Advanced Technology Labs Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/oohcN50Q8DVvcvkRAkcAAJ9XY6s+tInc++989MU+skM3YWQj6QCdHC3p bnQD9Na9+n8HtqZpscsQKEY= =y+F2 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From dstewart at atl.lmco.com Fri Oct 31 16:08:45 2003 From: dstewart at atl.lmco.com (Douglas Stewart) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 11:08:45 -0500 Subject: OpenGL screensavers MUCH slower now In-Reply-To: <1067604697.11969.10.camel@Darkstar> References: <1067604697.11969.10.camel@Darkstar> Message-ID: <3FA2890D.9010103@atl.lmco.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Mike Lurk wrote: | | Since nothing has changed in the Radeon drivers or X server, | libGL, DRI drivers, etc. whatsoever in a long time, it is highly | unlikely that any performance loss is an XFree86 driver induced | problem. | | Oddly enough, Ingo Molnar, and several other people have remarked | to me this week that OpenGL performance has magically sped up | dramatically lately. I haven't changed anything which would | change performance up or down, so I'm surprised anyone sees any | difference at all. My guess is something in the kernel changed. | | Personally, I see no change in performance either way. | After some further messing about with stuff, (namely, the Display (redhat-config-xfree86) and Screen Resolution (gnome-display-properties) tools in the preferences:/// and system-settings:/// Nautilus views) I think I may have uncovered the issue: the Display tool allows me to choose a screen resolution far above what the laptop screen can handle. The screen can go to 1400x1050, yet the xfree86 config allows me to pick all the way up to 1920x1440. I was having all manner of problems with OGL stuff when I had the max res. set to 1600x1200. I bumped this down to 1280x1024 and everything seems to be happy now, OpenGL-wise. However, gnome-display-properties adamantly REFUSES to set my resolution to the default I ask it for. I've told it to use 1280x1024 countless times. It does an xRandR and keeps it for the session, but when I log out/log back in, it resets to 1024x768. Also, after the RandR, the OpenGL screensavers don't resize. They default to 1024x768 and run in only a portion of the window. Any ideas? - -- - ---------- Doug Stewart Systems Administrator/Web Applications Developer Lockheed Martin Advanced Technology Labs Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/ookMN50Q8DVvcvkRAqTLAJ4vtpZldwjgrdtTqNEQM5CffNclEgCfVOVX pUqsm8/kC7pvB8fv+KDIPSI= =mFw0 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From imoq at imoqland.com Fri Oct 31 16:12:56 2003 From: imoq at imoqland.com (Alejandro =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Gonz=E1lez_Hern=E1ndez?= - Imoq) Date: 31 Oct 2003 10:12:56 -0600 Subject: internet not working with arjan's 2.6 testkernels In-Reply-To: <3FA1EEAC.4020504@iprimus.com.au> References: <1067524864.1629.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <3FA1E5B0.8020604@iprimus.com.au> <1067576630.7355.3.camel@home.imoqland.com> <3FA1EEAC.4020504@iprimus.com.au> Message-ID: <1067616775.6092.6.camel@imoqland.morelos.gob.mx> On Thu, 2003-10-30 at 23:10, Michael Kearey wrote: > Yes, I have noticed that a laptop will work just fine at one site but > not work at home. Turn off ECN and it's working everywhere. > > Just try turning off ECN in kernel to confirm? I am sorry I wasn't clearer. ECN is off and it still doesn't work with Arjan's precompiled kernel, but it does work if I get the source, the config file and just recompile it. Cheers, Alex. -- ?S? libre, usa software libre! Be free, use free software! http://www.imoqland.com/ From paul at frields.com Fri Oct 31 16:17:00 2003 From: paul at frields.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 11:17:00 -0500 Subject: Up2Date looses installed packages during update (showstopper?) In-Reply-To: <3FA21BDA.2010007@t-online.de> References: <20031029230835.10858.qmail@web10705.mail.yahoo.com> <1067526512.8431.1.camel@bettie.internal.frields.org> <3FA21BDA.2010007@t-online.de> Message-ID: <1067617020.2443.2.camel@bettie.internal.frields.org> On Fri, 2003-10-31 at 03:22, Michael Ring wrote: > I used up2date yesterday and it had to update about 20 packages. > During it installation of kernel-source up2date died because it could > not install the package. The problem now is, that all packages that > where to be installed after kernel-source are de-installed! [...snip...] > I've entered a bug in bugzilla. ID is 108691 This looks closely related to my bug #108652, rather than the one it was marked as duplicating in bugzilla. I added a comment in the hopes that someone will see that this (and many of the other up2date problems that keep reappearing on the list) could be taken care of by simply adding an extra modicum of sanity checking during the process. -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE From bfox at redhat.com Fri Oct 31 16:19:10 2003 From: bfox at redhat.com (Brent Fox) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 11:19:10 -0500 Subject: Testing current rawhide... In-Reply-To: <20031031111723.0f09ad4e.matthias@rpmforge.net> References: <20031030094936.A3127@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <20031030193106.0563974b.matthias@rpmforge.net> <1067539456.1652.115.camel@edoras.local.net> <20031031111723.0f09ad4e.matthias@rpmforge.net> Message-ID: <1067617149.4690.0.camel@bfox.devel.redhat.com> On Fri, 2003-10-31 at 05:17, Matthias Saou wrote: > Jeremy Katz wrote : > > > On Thu, 2003-10-30 at 13:31, Matthias Saou wrote: > > > Well, the first important issue I found is that the latest > > > "bootdisk.img" file (timestamped Oct 30 10:23) doesn't boot. The > > > previous one was fine, but this one gives : > > [snip] > > > I haven't tried going through the floppy image, but there seems to be a > > > problem. > > > > This is just bootdisk.img not being created correctly due to wonkiness > > with the build machine last night. boot.iso appears to be fine > > Argh :-( > Well, unless it's fixed fast and there is then enough time before the final > files "go gold", it will have kept me from doing last minute nfs/ftp/http > test installs :-/ It worked for me with yesterday's tree. Cheers, Brent From bfox at redhat.com Fri Oct 31 16:24:06 2003 From: bfox at redhat.com (Brent Fox) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 11:24:06 -0500 Subject: redhat-config-xfree86 bug In-Reply-To: <3FA279E8.3080502@prometheon.net> References: <3FA17204.6080005@prometheon.net> <1067546391.2881.28.camel@bfox.devel.redhat.com> <3FA279E8.3080502@prometheon.net> Message-ID: <1067617446.4690.3.camel@bfox.devel.redhat.com> On Fri, 2003-10-31 at 10:04, Ryan Nix wrote: > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "/usr/share/redhat-config-xfree86/xConfigDialog.py", line 250, in ok > self.xconfig.monitor.remove(1) > IndexError: index out-of-bounds Looks like a duplicate of http://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=107790 to me. Cheers, Brent > > > Brent Fox wrote: > > >On Thu, 2003-10-30 at 15:18, Ryan Nix wrote: > > > > > >>Using the redhat-config-xfree86 gui doesn't seem to work. I think I > >>might have seen a reference to this earlier this week but I'm not sure. > >>I've tested it on two different Dell laptops and an older Gateway PIII. > >>Anyone else have this problem? > >> > >> > > > >When running it from the command line, do you see any debug messages? > > > > > >Cheers, > > Brent > > > > > >-- > >fedora-test-list mailing list > >fedora-test-list at redhat.com > >http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From andre at bwh.harvard.edu Fri Oct 31 16:23:34 2003 From: andre at bwh.harvard.edu (Andre Robatino) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 11:23:34 -0500 (EST) Subject: desktop background artifact Message-ID: <200310311623.h9VGNYd27716@garfield.bwh.harvard.edu> On my desktop background there is a thin vertical strip running along the right side which is yellow on top and blue on the bottom. Anyone else seeing this? From paul at frields.com Fri Oct 31 16:24:11 2003 From: paul at frields.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 11:24:11 -0500 Subject: problem with rhgb In-Reply-To: <3FA2885C.2070508@atl.lmco.com> References: <3FA2885C.2070508@atl.lmco.com> Message-ID: <1067617451.2443.5.camel@bettie.internal.frields.org> On Fri, 2003-10-31 at 11:05, Douglas Stewart wrote: > |>title Fedora Core (2.4.22-1.2111.nptl) > |> root (hd0,2) > |> kernel /vmlinuz-2.4.22-1.2111.nptl ro rhgb > |>root=/dev/Volume00/Test hdc=ide-scsi > |> initrd /initrd-2.4.22-1.2111.nptl.img > |> > |>and anything works just fine. > | > | This does not for me: > | > | title Fedora Core (2.4.22-1.2115.nptl) > | root (hd0,0) > | kernel /vmlinuz-2.4.22-1.2115.nptl ro rhgb root=LABEL=/ > | initrd /initrd-2.4.22-1.2115.nptl.img > | > | nor does: kernel /vmlinuz-2.4.22-1.2115.nptl ro root=LABEL=/ rhgb > Is your /usr a separate partition? IIRC, not having / and /usr on the > same partition causes problems with rhgb. Incorrect. I have separate partitions for / and /usr, and rhgb works fine here. -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE From dnrlinux at san.rr.com Fri Oct 31 16:25:15 2003 From: dnrlinux at san.rr.com (Don) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 08:25:15 -0800 Subject: so ... how do I get a graphical boot? In-Reply-To: <1067612303.11969.32.camel@Darkstar> Message-ID: When grub shows the list of systems to boot, select "edit" and add "rhgb" (no quotes) to the list of parameters being passed. Don > -----Original Message----- > From: fedora-test-list-admin at redhat.com > [mailto:fedora-test-list-admin at redhat.com]On Behalf Of Mike Lurk > Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 6:58 AM > To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com > Subject: Re: so ... how do i get a graphical boot? > > > Message: 12 > Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 06:58:21 -0500 (EST) > From: "Robert P. J. Day" > To: Fedora Test List > Subject: so ... how do i get a graphical boot? > Reply-To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com > > > i realize that the graphical boot has been discussed on numerous > occasions, but frankly, i've never seen one on my system (currently > running FC3). how do i get one? (at the moment, i see the standard > line-oriented boot i've seen for years). > > i've verified that /etc/sysconfig/init contains > > BOOTUP=color > GRAPHICAL=yes > > i've perused /etc/rc.sysinit and the conditions look like they'd be > satisfied. /usr/bin/rhgb is there. the file /proc/cmdline does not > contain the string "nogui". so what am i missing? > > i figured it would be nice to see this graphical boot thingie at > least once. > > rday > > > > > In grub.conf look for the line; > > kernel /vmlinuz-2.4.22-1.2115.nptl ro root=LABEL=/ hdd=ide-scsi > > all you have to do is add rhgb to the end of the line and the graphical > boot should come up. You might have a different kernel installed but it > should look the same. > > Mike > > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From dnrlinux at san.rr.com Fri Oct 31 16:28:14 2003 From: dnrlinux at san.rr.com (Don) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 08:28:14 -0800 Subject: Updated ISO images? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Well, shortly after sending that note, I found rawritewin and created the floppy disk. I tried to send this note from the fully-updated FCT3 system on my laptop using Evolution 1.4 .... but it seems it can't send mail. When sending, I get an error back about From unknown or something like that. Don -----Original Message----- From: fedora-test-list-admin at redhat.com [mailto:fedora-test-list-admin at redhat.com]On Behalf Of Don Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 4:17 PM To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com Subject: RE: Updated ISO images? OK... I'll try that.... I downloaded the mg file, but now how do I create a floppy disk from it? I thought I used a program called rawwrite or something like that, but that's not recognized on m Win 2000 system... Thanks, Don -----Original Message----- From: fedora-test-list-admin at redhat.com [mailto:fedora-test-list-admin at redhat.com]On Behalf Of Sean Earp Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 7:57 AM To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com Subject: Re: Updated ISO images? On Oct 27, 2003, at 11:22 PM, Don Russell wrote: I got the ISO images for FCT3 and installed it on two machines.... The laptop install went "OK", but the update utility doesn't work, it hangs during checking dependencies etc. The desktop install fails miserably.... choking big time with rpmdb fatal errors during the package install. Question is... are there newer ISO images I can d/l and try again? Thanks, Don Don- That would probably be the most reported bug of FCT3... There is an anaconda update that you can download at . Create a floppy from the image file, boot to the installation CD, put the floppy in, and then type "linux updates" (might be "linux update") It should update anacona on the fly and fix the problem. If it does not, please reflect your experiences at -Sean GPG public key: -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dnrlinux at san.rr.com Fri Oct 31 16:32:06 2003 From: dnrlinux at san.rr.com (Don) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 08:32:06 -0800 Subject: default desktop background looks hideous IMO (was Re: Testingcurrent rawhide...) In-Reply-To: <1067553915.3152.14.camel@mentor.gurulabs.com> Message-ID: I agree, the default desktop background is hideous on my laptop LCD.... but it's hardly worth considering.... I just change it to something I like, and I always change the background for root to be something "red-ish" as a reminder that I'm logged on as root. If I can ever get past the install process on my desktop, I'll let you know what I think of it on my IBM P96 CRT monitor... Don > -----Original Message----- > From: fedora-test-list-admin at redhat.com > [mailto:fedora-test-list-admin at redhat.com]On Behalf Of Dax Kelson > Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 2:45 PM > To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com > Subject: Re: default desktop background looks hideous IMO (was Re: > Testingcurrent rawhide...) > > > On Thu, 2003-10-30 at 14:44, Garrett LeSage wrote: > > > Oops. I may have broken the LCD display while smudging my greasy > > fingers on the screen -- but I haven't been out to California for a > > while now. > > Seriously. At first I thought my LCD was messed up. > > Dax Kelson > Guru Labs > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From paul at frields.com Fri Oct 31 16:33:54 2003 From: paul at frields.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 11:33:54 -0500 Subject: desktop background artifact In-Reply-To: <200310311623.h9VGNYd27716@garfield.bwh.harvard.edu> References: <200310311623.h9VGNYd27716@garfield.bwh.harvard.edu> Message-ID: <1067618034.2443.7.camel@bettie.internal.frields.org> On Fri, 2003-10-31 at 11:23, Andre Robatino wrote: > On my desktop background there is a thin vertical strip running along the > right side which is yellow on top and blue on the bottom. Anyone else seeing > this? Yes. -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE From jjramsey_6x9eq42 at yahoo.com Fri Oct 31 16:38:52 2003 From: jjramsey_6x9eq42 at yahoo.com (James J. Ramsey) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 08:38:52 -0800 (PST) Subject: so ... how do i get a graphical boot? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20031031163852.6488.qmail@web10704.mail.yahoo.com> --- Alexandre Oliva wrote: > On Oct 31, 2003, "James J. Ramsey" > wrote: > > > Shouldn't it be considered a bug that the "rhgb" > boot > > option isn't added by default? > > It is added by default. No, it isn't. When the kernel is upgraded and grub.conf is modified to account for the new kernel, that option isn't added to the GRUB entry for the new kernel. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/ From jjramsey_6x9eq42 at yahoo.com Fri Oct 31 16:40:24 2003 From: jjramsey_6x9eq42 at yahoo.com (James J. Ramsey) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 08:40:24 -0800 (PST) Subject: so ... how do i get a graphical boot? In-Reply-To: <082c01c39fc0$515889c0$9100000a@intgrp.com> Message-ID: <20031031164024.42599.qmail@web10708.mail.yahoo.com> --- Eric Wood wrote: > James J. Ramsey wrote: > > Shouldn't it be considered a bug that the "rhgb" > boot > > option isn't added by default? The whole point of > the > > I don't have that option and I get the graphical > boot after the kernel loads > init. That's odd. Could you post the contents of /boot/grub/grub.conf? __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/ From dnrlinux at san.rr.com Fri Oct 31 16:42:36 2003 From: dnrlinux at san.rr.com (Don) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 08:42:36 -0800 Subject: Mouse redetected In-Reply-To: <01L2DAETNI3S004QHD@rcum.uni-mb.si> Message-ID: I had a similar experience on my laptop... kudzu detected a "new PS/2 mouse"... I said yes, go ahead.. blah blah ... next thing I know, my USB attached wheel mouse stopped working.... I now have to use the touchpad on the laptop. Since then I decided to start the whole FCT3 install over again.... clean install from CD1, then applying the updates... now I say "skip" (or whatever) when kudzu keeps saying it detected new PS/2 mouse (which obviously is the touchpad on the laptop. It's great that it detects that hardware, but what if I want to continue using an external mouse. (The same machine with Windows XP allows both devices to work at the same time.. I can switch between mouse/touchpad without doing anything extra) Don > -----Original Message----- > From: fedora-test-list-admin at redhat.com > [mailto:fedora-test-list-admin at redhat.com]On Behalf Of DAVID BALAZIC > Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 7:35 AM > To: FEDORA-TEST-LIST at redhat.com > Subject: Mouse redetected > > > Around the third boot of a fresh FCT3 installation, kudzu > "discovered" that > I have "added" a PS/2 mouse. I accepted the offer to configure it. > > It was detected and working fine since the first install though. > It also worked OK after this redetection. > > I did not change anything to trigger this. > The only thing was playing with th XFree86 driver options ( gfx card > options , not the input/mouse options ). > > Regards, > David > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From jaap at haitsma.org Fri Oct 31 16:43:56 2003 From: jaap at haitsma.org (Jaap A. Haitsma) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 17:43:56 +0100 Subject: [off topic] How to automatically make file/directory links on webpage? Message-ID: <3FA2914C.6010002@haitsma.org> Hi, I know my question is a bit off topic, but after googling for an hour I can't seem to find the answer. As I'm a regular poster on this list I'm pretty sure somebody on this list knows the answer. On my website I'd like to publish some files, which people can download. I'd like to do it in a similar way as the http://people.redhat.com site See for example. http://people.redhat.com/arjanv/2.5/RPMS.kernel/ Of course I can just type the HTML in all myself but being a programmer (equals lazy ;-) ) I'd like to have a tool which I can just run at the root of my directories and files I want to publish that generates automatically the HTML which is needed. Thanks Jaap From rpjday at mindspring.com Fri Oct 31 16:43:48 2003 From: rpjday at mindspring.com (Robert P. J. Day) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 11:43:48 -0500 (EST) Subject: graphical boot, "rhgb" and nvidia drivers Message-ID: ok, i built a new 2.6.0-test9-bk4 kernel, it booted fine, so i rebooted and added "rhgb" to the grub boot line -- still no graphical boot. but it just occurs to me to realize, this is on a machine with an nvidia video chip and a loadable nvidia module. could that be causing the problem? that the module is not loaded early enough to support a graphical boot? just casting around for ideas. sure be nice when we get all this settled. then i can ask about ALSA. :-) rday From whb at ceimaine.org Fri Oct 31 16:48:52 2003 From: whb at ceimaine.org (Will Backman) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 11:48:52 -0500 Subject: [off topic] How to automatically make file/directory links on webpage? In-Reply-To: <3FA2914C.6010002@haitsma.org> References: <3FA2914C.6010002@haitsma.org> Message-ID: <1067618931.1329.25.camel@dbxwsd21> enable allow indexes. Don't include a page with a name that is one of the default page names. On Fri, 2003-10-31 at 11:43, Jaap A. Haitsma wrote: > Hi, > > I know my question is a bit off topic, but after googling for an hour I > can't seem to find the answer. As I'm a regular poster on this list I'm > pretty sure somebody on this list knows the answer. > > On my website I'd like to publish some files, which people can download. > I'd like to do it in a similar way as the http://people.redhat.com site > See for example. > > http://people.redhat.com/arjanv/2.5/RPMS.kernel/ > > Of course I can just type the HTML in all myself but being a programmer > (equals lazy ;-) ) I'd like to have a tool which I can just run at the > root of my directories and files I want to publish that generates > automatically the HTML which is needed. > > Thanks > > Jaap > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From balay at fastmail.fm Fri Oct 31 16:54:54 2003 From: balay at fastmail.fm (Satish Balay) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 10:54:54 -0600 (CST) Subject: Up2Date looses ..... / yum-rep In-Reply-To: <1067617020.2443.2.camel@bettie.internal.frields.org> References: <20031029230835.10858.qmail@web10705.mail.yahoo.com> <1067526512.8431.1.camel@bettie.internal.frields.org> <3FA21BDA.2010007@t-online.de> <1067617020.2443.2.camel@bettie.internal.frields.org> Message-ID: On Fri, 31 Oct 2003, Paul W. Frields wrote: > On Fri, 2003-10-31 at 03:22, Michael Ring wrote: > > I used up2date yesterday and it had to update about 20 packages. > > During it installation of kernel-source up2date died because it could > > not install the package. The problem now is, that all packages that > > where to be installed after kernel-source are de-installed! > [...snip...] > > I've entered a bug in bugzilla. ID is 108691 > > This looks closely related to my bug #108652, rather than the one it was > marked as duplicating in bugzilla. I added a comment in the hopes that > someone will see that this (and many of the other up2date problems that > keep reappearing on the list) could be taken care of by simply adding an > extra modicum of sanity checking during the process. Looks like all these issues are due to the mirrors (including ftp.redhat.com) not having a consistant yum repository (i.e headers/header.info not in sysc with the *.rpm files available on the mirror .) https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=107972 The correct fix - I think, is to change the process with which ftp.redhat.com is updated. I suspect there is a local machine where rawhide rpms are updated - and header.info is re-generated for. But somehow header.info is rsynced to ftp.redhat.com - but not all the rpm packages. (perhaps i386/header packages are rsynced every 3 hours - but not the s390x - which get rsynced once every day?) - thus resulting in inconistancy on the ftp site. This inconsistancy gets propagated to all mirrors. Satish From jakub at redhat.com Fri Oct 31 17:01:55 2003 From: jakub at redhat.com (Jakub Jelinek) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 12:01:55 -0500 Subject: Testing request: glibc-2.3.2-27.9.4 (RHL9 errata candidate) In-Reply-To: <1067602620.3273.7.camel@chief.ekof.bg.ac.yu>; from jung@one.ekof.bg.ac.yu on Fri, Oct 31, 2003 at 01:17:01PM +0100 References: <20031030130708.L2097@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1067602620.3273.7.camel@chief.ekof.bg.ac.yu> Message-ID: <20031031120155.A2097@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Fri, Oct 31, 2003 at 01:17:01PM +0100, Igor Nestorovi? wrote: > What about Bugzilla 90036? > > Will that be solved at all? I think that too is a glibc glitch. Ok, ftp://people.redhat.com/jakub/glibc/errata/2.3.2-27.9.4/ should fix it too, ie.: 54697 83973 85994 86032 88409 88456 88978 89448 90002 90036 90077 90301 90987 91567 97814 97828 98966 101261 101691 102709 103727 105348 107846 Jakub From jaap at haitsma.org Fri Oct 31 17:05:43 2003 From: jaap at haitsma.org (Jaap A. Haitsma) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 18:05:43 +0100 Subject: [off topic] How to automatically make file/directory links on webpage? In-Reply-To: <1067618931.1329.25.camel@dbxwsd21> References: <3FA2914C.6010002@haitsma.org> <1067618931.1329.25.camel@dbxwsd21> Message-ID: <3FA29667.2070503@haitsma.org> Will, I'm pretty much a newbie to making a webpage. I do not understand your answer completely. Should I change something to the settings of the apache server or so? I don't know if my hosting provider lets me do this. Jaap Will Backman wrote: > enable allow indexes. Don't include a page with a name that is one of > the default page names. > > On Fri, 2003-10-31 at 11:43, Jaap A. Haitsma wrote: > >>Hi, >> >>I know my question is a bit off topic, but after googling for an hour I >>can't seem to find the answer. As I'm a regular poster on this list I'm >>pretty sure somebody on this list knows the answer. >> >>On my website I'd like to publish some files, which people can download. >>I'd like to do it in a similar way as the http://people.redhat.com site >>See for example. >> >>http://people.redhat.com/arjanv/2.5/RPMS.kernel/ >> >>Of course I can just type the HTML in all myself but being a programmer >>(equals lazy ;-) ) I'd like to have a tool which I can just run at the >>root of my directories and files I want to publish that generates >>automatically the HTML which is needed. >> >>Thanks >> >>Jaap >> >> From jaap at haitsma.org Fri Oct 31 17:06:51 2003 From: jaap at haitsma.org (Jaap A. Haitsma) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 18:06:51 +0100 Subject: [off topic] How to automatically make file/directory links on webpage? In-Reply-To: <1067618931.1329.25.camel@dbxwsd21> References: <3FA2914C.6010002@haitsma.org> <1067618931.1329.25.camel@dbxwsd21> Message-ID: <3FA296AB.5010506@haitsma.org> Will, I'm pretty much a newbie to making a webpage. I do not understand your answer completely. Should I change something to the settings of the apache server or so? I don't know if my hosting provider lets me do this. Jaap Will Backman wrote: > enable allow indexes. Don't include a page with a name that is one of > the default page names. > > On Fri, 2003-10-31 at 11:43, Jaap A. Haitsma wrote: > >>Hi, >> >>I know my question is a bit off topic, but after googling for an hour I >>can't seem to find the answer. As I'm a regular poster on this list I'm >>pretty sure somebody on this list knows the answer. >> >>On my website I'd like to publish some files, which people can download. >>I'd like to do it in a similar way as the http://people.redhat.com site >>See for example. >> >>http://people.redhat.com/arjanv/2.5/RPMS.kernel/ >> >>Of course I can just type the HTML in all myself but being a programmer >>(equals lazy ;-) ) I'd like to have a tool which I can just run at the >>root of my directories and files I want to publish that generates >>automatically the HTML which is needed. >> >>Thanks >> >>Jaap >> >> From garrett at redhat.com Fri Oct 31 17:10:46 2003 From: garrett at redhat.com (Garrett LeSage) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 12:10:46 -0500 Subject: desktop background artifact In-Reply-To: <1067618034.2443.7.camel@bettie.internal.frields.org> References: <200310311623.h9VGNYd27716@garfield.bwh.harvard.edu> <1067618034.2443.7.camel@bettie.internal.frields.org> Message-ID: <3FA29796.9000009@redhat.com> Paul W. Frields wrote: >On Fri, 2003-10-31 at 11:23, Andre Robatino wrote: > > >> On my desktop background there is a thin vertical strip running along the >>right side which is yellow on top and blue on the bottom. Anyone else seeing >>this? >> >> > >Yes. > Oops. I'll fix this in an upcoming version of desktop-backgrounds... I did notice that if you switch from "stretch" to center (if you're running at 1600x1200), then it goes away. There are also several other backgrounds if you find the line distracting. I'll fix it soon. Garrett From gstool at earthlink.net Fri Oct 31 17:12:33 2003 From: gstool at earthlink.net (Gerry Tool) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 11:12:33 -0600 Subject: desktop background artifact In-Reply-To: <200310311623.h9VGNYd27716@garfield.bwh.harvard.edu> References: <200310311623.h9VGNYd27716@garfield.bwh.harvard.edu> Message-ID: <1067620353.5804.25.camel@gstpc.earthlink.net> On Fri, 2003-10-31 at 10:23, Andre Robatino wrote: > On my desktop background there is a thin vertical strip running along the > right side which is yellow on top and blue on the bottom. Anyone else seeing > this? > yes Gerry From aoliva at redhat.com Fri Oct 31 17:16:34 2003 From: aoliva at redhat.com (Alexandre Oliva) Date: 31 Oct 2003 15:16:34 -0200 Subject: so ... how do i get a graphical boot? In-Reply-To: <20031031163852.6488.qmail@web10704.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20031031163852.6488.qmail@web10704.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Oct 31, 2003, "James J. Ramsey" wrote: > --- Alexandre Oliva wrote: >> It is added by default. [when you install] > No, it isn't. When the kernel is upgraded and > grub.conf is modified to account for the new kernel, > that option isn't added to the GRUB entry for the new > kernel. kernel upgrades have never modified the command line passed to the kernel, AFAIK. The template is just copied from the default boot entry. -- Alexandre Oliva Enjoy Guarana', see http://www.ic.unicamp.br/~oliva/ Red Hat GCC Developer aoliva@{redhat.com, gcc.gnu.org} CS PhD student at IC-Unicamp oliva@{lsd.ic.unicamp.br, gnu.org} Free Software Evangelist Professional serial bug killer From nosp at xades.com Fri Oct 31 17:18:14 2003 From: nosp at xades.com (nosp) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 17:18:14 +0000 Subject: [off topic] How to automatically make file/directory links on webpage? In-Reply-To: <3FA296AB.5010506@haitsma.org> References: <3FA2914C.6010002@haitsma.org> <1067618931.1329.25.camel@dbxwsd21> <3FA296AB.5010506@haitsma.org> Message-ID: <1067620694.9491.64.camel@earth.xades.com> On Fri, 2003-10-31 at 17:06, Jaap A. Haitsma wrote: > I'm pretty much a newbie to making a webpage. I do not understand your > answer completely. Should I change something to the settings of the > apache server or so? I don't know if my hosting provider lets me do this. Yes, that's what he's saying. The link to which you referred is generated by the web server itself, not any hand- or tool-generated html file. In apache 2.x, you change the configuration to enable indexes, something like: --- /etc/httpd/conf/httpd.conf # FancyIndexing is whether you want fancy directory indexing or standard. # VersionSort is whether files containing version numbers should be # compared in the natural way, so that `apache-1.3.9.tar' is placed before # `apache-1.3.12.tar'. # IndexOptions FancyIndexing VersionSort NameWidth=* --- Of course, your web hosting provider should provide you with an interface (often called a "control panel") that allows you change some or all of these settings. From garrett at redhat.com Fri Oct 31 17:18:40 2003 From: garrett at redhat.com (Garrett LeSage) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 12:18:40 -0500 Subject: default desktop background looks hideous IMO (was Re: Testing current rawhide...) In-Reply-To: <1067559375.4815.41.camel@rhema> References: <20031030094936.A3127@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <20031030201543.GK10427@ip68-4-255-84.oc.oc.cox.net> <3FA18643.3050400@redhat.com> <1067551545.2884.49.camel@bettie.internal.frields.org> <1067553433.5817.11.camel@gstpc.earthlink.net> <1067559375.4815.41.camel@rhema> Message-ID: <3FA29970.7000602@redhat.com> Deji Akingunola wrote: >On Thu, 2003-10-30 at 17:37, Gerry Tool wrote: > > >>On Thu, 2003-10-30 at 16:05, Paul W. Frields wrote: >> >> >>>On Thu, 2003-10-30 at 16:44, Garrett LeSage wrote: >>> >>> >>>>Oops. I may have broken the LCD display while smudging my greasy >>>>fingers on the screen -- but I haven't been out to California for a >>>>while now. >>>> >>>> >>>I kind of like this one... it reminds me of the quilted maple patterns >>>on one of my guitars. >>> >>> >>> >>>>You can rest assured that Fedora Core 2 will have a different background. >>>> >>>> >>>I think everyone can agree (right, everyone?) that you've really done >>>marvelous design work distro-wide to make the product feel truly >>>first-class, minor background quibbles notwithstanding. Great job! >>> >>> >>I'll second that. It just continues to get better and more refined. >> >> > >I remember some people once wrote they'll feel they are still doing the >beta thing if the old background appear to be the default in the final >release, if not it'll have been so nice to leave the yellow flower as >default, its so beautiful. > > Thanks! I wanted to make sure that I changed the background so that people could tell at a glance that it was not a test release, but the final. I also liked that picture of the flower as well, and that's why I included it as an additional background in desktop-backgrounds-extras. A little bit of trivia: I took that flower picture in Durham's Duke Gardens (about 40 minutes away from the Red Hat headquarters), in the middle of the month of June. The picture, before being slightly modified (saturation, mostly): http://linuxart.com/photoview.phtml?sid=03jun14-midmorning_duke_gardens&iid=0614-110450 Thumbnails of all of the pictures from that outing: http://linuxart.com/photoview.phtml?sid=03jun14-midmorning_duke_gardens&maxthumb=54 Garrett From nosp at xades.com Fri Oct 31 17:24:07 2003 From: nosp at xades.com (nosp) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 17:24:07 +0000 Subject: graphical boot, "rhgb" and nvidia drivers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1067621047.7977.0.camel@earth.xades.com> On Fri, 2003-10-31 at 16:43, Robert P. J. Day wrote: > but it just occurs to me to realize, this is on a machine with > an nvidia video chip and a loadable nvidia module. could that be > causing the problem? that the module is not loaded early enough > to support a graphical boot? just casting around for ideas. Works fine for me with the nvidia binary drivers. From bts at sdf.lonestar.org Fri Oct 31 17:28:19 2003 From: bts at sdf.lonestar.org (Brian Schmidt) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 17:28:19 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [off topic] How to automatically make file/directory links on webpage? In-Reply-To: <3FA296AB.5010506@haitsma.org> References: <3FA2914C.6010002@haitsma.org> <1067618931.1329.25.camel@dbxwsd21> <3FA296AB.5010506@haitsma.org> Message-ID: On Fri, 31 Oct 2003, Jaap A. Haitsma wrote: > Will, > > I'm pretty much a newbie to making a webpage. I do not understand your > answer completely. Should I change something to the settings of the > apache server or so? I don't know if my hosting provider lets me do this. > > Jaap I'm sure there are easier ways, but I've done this in the past using PHP for the heck of it when I was just learning it. If you have PHP on your server, it can be done easily. > > Will Backman wrote: > > enable allow indexes. Don't include a page with a name that is one of > > the default page names. > > > > On Fri, 2003-10-31 at 11:43, Jaap A. Haitsma wrote: > > > >>Hi, > >> > >>I know my question is a bit off topic, but after googling for an hour I > >>can't seem to find the answer. As I'm a regular poster on this list I'm > >>pretty sure somebody on this list knows the answer. > >> > >>On my website I'd like to publish some files, which people can download. > >>I'd like to do it in a similar way as the http://people.redhat.com site > >>See for example. > >> > >>http://people.redhat.com/arjanv/2.5/RPMS.kernel/ > >> > >>Of course I can just type the HTML in all myself but being a programmer > >>(equals lazy ;-) ) I'd like to have a tool which I can just run at the > >>root of my directories and files I want to publish that generates > >>automatically the HTML which is needed. > >> > >>Thanks > >> > >>Jaap > >> > >> > > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > bts at sdf.lonestar.org SDF Public Access UNIX System - http://sdf.lonestar.org From smearp at mac.com Fri Oct 31 17:28:38 2003 From: smearp at mac.com (Sean Earp) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 09:28:38 -0800 Subject: Testing current rawhide... In-Reply-To: <20031031135641.69512.qmail@web10704.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20031031135641.69512.qmail@web10704.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Oct 31, 2003, at 5:56 AM, James J. Ramsey wrote: > --- "Mike A. Harris" wrote: >> On Thu, 30 Oct 2003, Marcus White wrote: >> >> There are internally, although I don't know if they >> were made >> publically available or not. I believe there would >> be high value >> in making them publically available though for some >> external >> final testing, but I'm not sure what the official >> plan is. >> >> mkj: Any chance we can push the latest test ISOs >> out for people >> to do final/semi-final testing? > > I'd see some value in having a further set of test > ISOs. I have a ye olde CD-ROM that doesn't like DMA, > so I'd be a good guinea pig for testing whether the > BOOT kernel *really* only enabled DMA for hard drives. > This was in the kernel changelog: > > * Fri Oct 10 2003 Dave Jones > > > - Only enable DMA on hard disks in the BOOT kernel. > > However, I still needed to pass ide=nodma to the boot > prompt to get Fedora test3 to install, so apparently > either that change didn't make it to the test3 kernel, > or the attempted change didn't work. I also agree that some final test .iso's would be a good idea (or even a net/ftp install), if only to test anaconda. There have been show-stopping bugs in the last two releases of anaconda, but since anaconda is not used for anything other than the install, they have not been caught until the actual .isos were posted. -Sean From rpjday at mindspring.com Fri Oct 31 17:35:15 2003 From: rpjday at mindspring.com (Robert P. J. Day) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 12:35:15 -0500 (EST) Subject: ok, graphical boot, one more time Message-ID: all right, i have some intriguing observations to report. but first, i want to settle this "rhgb" boot-line option. can someone point me to where this option has any effect *at* *all*? i have gone over these two files: /etc/sysconfig/init /etc/rc.sysinit and it *appears* that whether or not you get a graphical boot is tested in /etc/rc.sysinit, and is based *solely* on the following: RHGB_STARTED=0 GRAPHICAL=yes BOOTUP=color access to /usr/bin/rhgb there is, AFAICT, no test *anywhere* that looks for the option "rhgb" on the boot line. OTOH, the file /etc/rc.sysinit *does* check for the boot-line option "nogui" to *prevent* the graphical boot. so ... who wants to explain how the option "rhgb" means anything, and where it's tested. in short, i see "nogui" to prevent a graphical boot if it's turned on. i see no "rhgb" test to activate a graphical boot if it's turned off. second, if you check /etc/rc.sysinit, whether you get a graphical boot early depends on whether /usr is a separate filesystem. if it is, you can't get a graphical boot since /usr/bin/rhgb isn't even available yet. so that first conditional is skipped early in the file. however, the whole test is done again around line 560 where, by now, /usr is mounted and it should work. at least, that's the theory. in my case, though, what i get when the line "/usr/bin/rhgb" is run is umount2: Invalid argument. umount: /initrd: not mounted. printed twice. what the ...? i'd seen these crop up recently and was planning on tracking them down at some point, but it never occurred to me to associate them with the second invocation of rhgb. can anyone explain what these mean? that might go a long way to clearing this up. well, at least for me. rday From nosp at xades.com Fri Oct 31 17:41:58 2003 From: nosp at xades.com (nosp) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 17:41:58 +0000 Subject: ok, graphical boot, one more time In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1067622118.7977.4.camel@earth.xades.com> On Fri, 2003-10-31 at 17:35, Robert P. J. Day wrote: > all right, i have some intriguing observations to report. but first, i > want to settle this "rhgb" boot-line option. can someone point me to > where this option has any effect *at* *all*? [snip] > there is, AFAICT, no test *anywhere* that looks for the option "rhgb" on > the boot line. I suppose it's magically happening then :). What's wrong with your /etc/rc.sysinit? Mine has the obvious test on line 91: --- if fgrep rhgb /proc/cmdline > /dev/null 2>&1 && [ "$BOOTUP" = "color" -a "$GRAPHICAL" = "yes" -a -x /usr/bin/rhgb ]; then /usr/bin/rhgb RHGB_STARTED=1 fi --- # rpm -q --whatprovides /etc/rc.sysinit initscripts-7.42-1 > however, the whole test is done again around line 560 where, by now, > /usr is mounted and it should work. It's line 572 for me. From rpjday at mindspring.com Fri Oct 31 17:52:14 2003 From: rpjday at mindspring.com (Robert P. J. Day) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 12:52:14 -0500 (EST) Subject: ok, graphical boot, one more time In-Reply-To: <1067622118.7977.4.camel@earth.xades.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 31 Oct 2003, nosp wrote: > On Fri, 2003-10-31 at 17:35, Robert P. J. Day wrote: > > all right, i have some intriguing observations to report. but first, i > > want to settle this "rhgb" boot-line option. can someone point me to > > where this option has any effect *at* *all*? > [snip] > > there is, AFAICT, no test *anywhere* that looks for the option "rhgb" on > > the boot line. > > I suppose it's magically happening then :). What's wrong with your > /etc/rc.sysinit? Mine has the obvious test on line 91: > --- > if fgrep rhgb /proc/cmdline > /dev/null 2>&1 && [ "$BOOTUP" = "color" -a > "$GRAPHICAL" = "yes" -a -x /usr/bin/rhgb ]; then what the heck? mine reads: if ! fgrep -q nogui /proc/cmdline && [ "$BOOTUP" = "color" -a "$GRAPHICAL" = "yes" -a -x /usr/bin/rhgb ]; then /usr/bin/rhgb RHGB_STARTED=1 fi is one a newer version? i've been letting yum update stuff automatically. which is the industry-approved version? is one version or the other set at install time based on something? how odd. rday From paul at frields.com Fri Oct 31 17:53:30 2003 From: paul at frields.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 12:53:30 -0500 Subject: Up2Date looses ..... / yum-rep In-Reply-To: References: <20031029230835.10858.qmail@web10705.mail.yahoo.com> <1067526512.8431.1.camel@bettie.internal.frields.org> <3FA21BDA.2010007@t-online.de> <1067617020.2443.2.camel@bettie.internal.frields.org> Message-ID: <1067622810.3498.17.camel@bettie.internal.frields.org> On Fri, 2003-10-31 at 11:54, Satish Balay wrote: > > > I used up2date yesterday and it had to update about 20 packages. > > > During it installation of kernel-source up2date died because it could > > > not install the package. The problem now is, that all packages that > > > where to be installed after kernel-source are de-installed! > > [...snip...] > > > I've entered a bug in bugzilla. ID is 108691 > > > > This looks closely related to my bug #108652, rather than the one it was > > marked as duplicating in bugzilla. I added a comment in the hopes that > > someone will see that this (and many of the other up2date problems that > > keep reappearing on the list) could be taken care of by simply adding an > > extra modicum of sanity checking during the process. > > Looks like all these issues are due to the mirrors (including > ftp.redhat.com) not having a consistant yum repository (i.e > headers/header.info not in sysc with the *.rpm files available on the > mirror .) > > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=107972 > > The correct fix - I think, is to change the process with which > ftp.redhat.com is updated. While I completely agree that the proximate cause is on the server side, this doesn't help the casual user who suddenly ends up with a broken box, where packages are suddenly missing and the dependency tree is now broken. Fixing the client to use a little bit of common sense to avoid disaster is also a good idea, especially since it involves a minimum of fuss. -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE From nosp at xades.com Fri Oct 31 17:57:51 2003 From: nosp at xades.com (nosp) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 17:57:51 +0000 Subject: ok, graphical boot, one more time In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1067623071.7977.11.camel@earth.xades.com> On Fri, 2003-10-31 at 17:52, Robert P. J. Day wrote: > what the heck? mine reads: Check the initscripts rpm version -- I included the version # in my email. From bcs at metacon.ca Fri Oct 31 17:58:07 2003 From: bcs at metacon.ca (Ben Steeves) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 13:58:07 -0400 Subject: Mouse redetected In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1067623087.7542.7.camel@ripley> On Fri, 2003-10-31 at 12:42, Don wrote: > I had a similar experience on my laptop... kudzu detected a "new PS/2 > mouse"... I said yes, go ahead.. blah blah ... next thing I know, my USB > attached wheel mouse stopped working.... I now have to use the touchpad on > the laptop. I'm in the same boat as you -- It's rather annoying to have to logout of X and re-run the mouse configuration when ever I dock my machine. You can use redhat-config-mouse to switch between your USB device (external mouse) and your PS/2 device (built-in touchpad). But I'm *positive* that RH9 allowed me to use both at the same time. I didn't have any luck finding this in Bugzilla last I looked... nor did I file it (bad Ben, bad, bad!) -- Ben Steeves _ bcs at metacon.ca The ASCII ribbon campaign ( ) ben.steeves at unb.ca against HTML e-mail X GPG ID: 0xB3EBF1D9 http://www.metacon.ca/ascii / \ Yahoo Messenger: ben_steeves From jaap at haitsma.org Fri Oct 31 18:00:06 2003 From: jaap at haitsma.org (Jaap A. Haitsma) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 19:00:06 +0100 Subject: ok, graphical boot, one more time In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3FA2A326.4050806@haitsma.org> You must have an older version. Newest version of initscripts is initscripts-7.42-1 > > what the heck? mine reads: > > if ! fgrep -q nogui /proc/cmdline && [ "$BOOTUP" = "color" -a "$GRAPHICAL" = "yes" -a -x /usr/bin/rhgb ]; then > /usr/bin/rhgb > RHGB_STARTED=1 > fi > > is one a newer version? i've been letting yum update stuff > automatically. which is the industry-approved version? is one version or > the other set at install time based on something? how odd. > > rday > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From mkb at mukappabeta.de Fri Oct 31 18:01:47 2003 From: mkb at mukappabeta.de (Matthias Buelow) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 19:01:47 +0100 Subject: ok, graphical boot, one more time In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3FA2A38B.6050109@mukappabeta.de> Robert P. J. Day wrote: > if ! fgrep -q nogui /proc/cmdline && [ "$BOOTUP" = "color" -a "$GRAPHICAL" = "yes" -a -x /usr/bin/rhgb ]; then > /usr/bin/rhgb > RHGB_STARTED=1 > fi > > is one a newer version? i've been letting yum update stuff mine reads the same, on a vanilla test3 installation. -- Matthias Buelow; mkb@{mukappabeta.de,informatik.uni-wuerzburg.de} From jjramsey_6x9eq42 at yahoo.com Fri Oct 31 18:02:57 2003 From: jjramsey_6x9eq42 at yahoo.com (James J. Ramsey) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 10:02:57 -0800 (PST) Subject: so ... how do i get a graphical boot? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20031031180257.25432.qmail@web10702.mail.yahoo.com> --- Alexandre Oliva wrote: > On Oct 31, 2003, "James J. Ramsey" > wrote: > > > --- Alexandre Oliva wrote: > > >> It is added by default. > [when you install] > > > No, it isn't. When the kernel is upgraded and > > grub.conf is modified to account for the new > kernel, > > that option isn't added to the GRUB entry for the > new > > kernel. > > kernel upgrades have never modified the command line > passed to the > kernel, AFAIK. The template is just copied from the > default boot > entry. Then 1) either the template is being miscopied, because "rhgb", one of the options in the original boot entry, was not so copied, 2) or the original Fedora test3 kernel defaulted to using the graphical boot, while the upgrade kernels have graphical boot off by default and need the "rhgb" option passed in order to turn it on. This is buggy behavior, and simply telling users to add "rhgb" to /boot/grub/grub.conf is the wrong solution, period. Users who can readily do that aren't the ones that a graphical boot is supposed to benefit. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/ From akabi at speakeasy.net Fri Oct 31 18:11:52 2003 From: akabi at speakeasy.net (ne...) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 13:11:52 -0500 (EST) Subject: how to run "generate-modprobe.conf" given a 2.6 kernel? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Oct 31, 2003 at 10:13, Robert P. J. Day in a soothing rage wrote: > > i asked about this once upon a time, but don't recall seeing >a solution, and there's nothing in bugzilla about it. > > given FC3 and a 2.6 kernel, how does one run >/sbin/generate-modprobe.conf to generate the new modules >config file? > > if you try it, the script fails saying there's no "modprobe.old" >command, which is true. this may have worked when folks manually >upgraded their "modutils" RPM and had both the new and old versions >of those commands around, but it clearly fails now under FC3. This is from the module-init-tools-0.9.15-pre1 README: READ INSTRUCTIONS CAREFULLY, OTHERWISE YOU MAY DESTROY YOUR OLD UTILS! 1a) If you want to install in /sbin: ./configure --prefix=/ make moveold (if installing for the first time). "make moveold" renames the old insmod, modprobe, rmmod and lsmod to insmod.old, modprobe.old, rmmod.old and lsmod.old, and the matching manpages. ... 3) If running for the first time, you might want to convert your old modules.conf to modprobe.conf: ./generate-modprobe.conf /etc/modprobe.conf You can get the tarbol from: http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/rusty/modules/ HTH N.Emile... -- Registered Linux User # 125653 (http://counter.li.org) Switch to: http://www.speakeasy.net/refer/190653 What no spouse of a writer can ever understand is that a writer is working when he's staring out the window. 13:05:23 up 68 days, 1:39, 5 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 From rpjday at mindspring.com Fri Oct 31 18:11:54 2003 From: rpjday at mindspring.com (Robert P. J. Day) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 13:11:54 -0500 (EST) Subject: ok, graphical boot, one more time In-Reply-To: <3FA2A326.4050806@haitsma.org> Message-ID: On Fri, 31 Oct 2003, Jaap A. Haitsma wrote: > You must have an older version. > Newest version of initscripts is > initscripts-7.42-1 > > > > what the heck? mine reads: > > > > if ! fgrep -q nogui /proc/cmdline && [ "$BOOTUP" = "color" -a "$GRAPHICAL" = "yes" -a -x /usr/bin/rhgb ]; then > > /usr/bin/rhgb > > RHGB_STARTED=1 > > fi i;ve just established that -- mine is 7.36-2, which is odd since i thought i'd configured yum to update on a nightly basis. weird. but it also points out a noticeable change in functionality between the old and newer versions of initscripts, which almost certainly has been causing some of this confusion. rday From nosp at xades.com Fri Oct 31 18:14:35 2003 From: nosp at xades.com (nosp) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 18:14:35 +0000 Subject: gnomemm support? Message-ID: <1067624075.7977.14.camel@earth.xades.com> Any reason why Fedora doesn't include libgnomemm and related -mm rpms? Only one I can find is gtkmm2. I'd like to file an RFE if there is no particular reason. From shrek-m at gmx.de Fri Oct 31 18:14:02 2003 From: shrek-m at gmx.de (shrek-m at gmx.de) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 19:14:02 +0100 Subject: default desktop background looks hideous IMO (was Re: Testing current rawhide...) In-Reply-To: <1067559375.4815.41.camel@rhema> References: <20031030094936.A3127@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <20031030201543.GK10427@ip68-4-255-84.oc.oc.cox.net> <3FA18643.3050400@redhat.com> <1067551545.2884.49.camel@bettie.internal.frields.org> <1067553433.5817.11.camel@gstpc.earthlink.net> <1067559375.4815.41.camel@rhema> Message-ID: <3FA2A66A.9090503@gmx.de> >if not it'll have been so nice to leave the yellow flower as >default, its so beautiful. > > good work ;-) i prefer the new "default" or "frosty_pipes" it is closer to the default-login_screen. theme: smokey-blue (mixed with crux) -- shrek-m From jjramsey_6x9eq42 at yahoo.com Fri Oct 31 18:15:33 2003 From: jjramsey_6x9eq42 at yahoo.com (James J. Ramsey) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 10:15:33 -0800 (PST) Subject: Up2Date looses ..... / yum-rep In-Reply-To: <1067622810.3498.17.camel@bettie.internal.frields.org> Message-ID: <20031031181533.63518.qmail@web10708.mail.yahoo.com> --- "Paul W. Frields" wrote: > > > > The correct fix - I think, is to change the > process with which > > ftp.redhat.com is updated. > > While I completely agree that the proximate cause is > on the server side, > this doesn't help the casual user who suddenly ends > up with a broken > box, where packages are suddenly missing and the > dependency tree is now > broken. Fixing the client to use a little bit of > common sense to avoid > disaster is also a good idea, especially since it > involves a minimum of > fuss. I agree. up2date needs to do enough sanity checking so that if it gets bogus RPMS, headers, etc., it can do something intelligent like tell the user that something is wrong at the server end--so that they can complain to Red Hat sooner. :) Having up2date mysteriously hang and/or spew inscrutable tracebacks (that only appear if one launches up2date from a terminal) just makes problems harder to resolve. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/ From davej at redhat.com Fri Oct 31 18:26:14 2003 From: davej at redhat.com (Dave Jones) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 18:26:14 +0000 Subject: Testing current rawhide... In-Reply-To: <20031031135641.69512.qmail@web10704.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20031031135641.69512.qmail@web10704.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20031031182614.GA25955@redhat.com> On Fri, Oct 31, 2003 at 05:56:41AM -0800, James J. Ramsey wrote: > > - Only enable DMA on hard disks in the BOOT kernel. > > However, I still needed to pass ide=nodma to the boot > prompt to get Fedora test3 to install, so apparently > either that change didn't make it to the test3 kernel, > or the attempted change didn't work. Anaconda in the current tree disables DMA to non-disks during boot up. This means for those folks who had devices that could handle DMA fine, they now have to flip to tty2 and hdparm -d1 /dev/whatever Dave From jjramsey_6x9eq42 at yahoo.com Fri Oct 31 18:42:15 2003 From: jjramsey_6x9eq42 at yahoo.com (James J. Ramsey) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 10:42:15 -0800 (PST) Subject: so ... how do i get a graphical boot? In-Reply-To: <20031031180257.25432.qmail@web10702.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20031031184215.58593.qmail@web10701.mail.yahoo.com> --- "James J. Ramsey" wrote: > > --- Alexandre Oliva wrote: > > kernel upgrades have never modified the command > line > > passed to the > > kernel, AFAIK. The template is just copied from > the > > default boot > > entry. > > Then > > 1) either the template is being miscopied, because > "rhgb", one of the options in the original boot > entry, > was not so copied, > > 2) or the original Fedora test3 kernel defaulted to > using the graphical boot, while the upgrade kernels > have graphical boot off by default and need the > "rhgb" > option passed in order to turn it on. I just realized that there was a third option, namely that the init scripts changed so that the "rhgb" option was now necessary, when it wasn't before. Judging from the thread "ok, graphical boot, one more time" (especially the post found at ), that is exactly what has happened. That means that the way to fix this buggy behavior in the final release is to have Anaconda add "rhgb" to grub.conf on install. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/ From ms-nospam-0306 at arcor.de Fri Oct 31 18:54:54 2003 From: ms-nospam-0306 at arcor.de (Michael Schwendt) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 19:54:54 +0100 Subject: gnomemm support? In-Reply-To: <1067624075.7977.14.camel@earth.xades.com> References: <1067624075.7977.14.camel@earth.xades.com> Message-ID: <20031031195454.7dcd6049.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de> On Fri, 31 Oct 2003 18:14:35 +0000, nosp wrote: > Any reason why Fedora doesn't include libgnomemm and related -mm rpms? > Only one I can find is gtkmm2. I'd like to file an RFE if there is no > particular reason. See http://fedora.us/QA -- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Haitsma) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 20:01:36 +0100 Subject: RHN applet not working In-Reply-To: <20031030173032.Z25702@redhat.com> References: <3FA14932.4010804@haitsma.org> <200310301257.01041.czar@czarc.net> <20031030173032.Z25702@redhat.com> Message-ID: <3FA2B190.2070208@haitsma.org> Filed it in bugzilla: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=108737 Daniel Veillard wrote: > On Thu, Oct 30, 2003 at 12:57:01PM -0500, Gene C. wrote: > >>On Thursday 30 October 2003 12:24, Jaap A. Haitsma wrote: >>Apparently, the applet cannot handle "redirection". If I use lftp to access >>those directories, I am redirected to >>http://ftp.redhat.com/pub/redhat/linux/rawhide > > > strange, the applet uses rhnlib and I'm sure recent rhnlib versions should > have support for redirection, please bugzilla so I don't loose track of > the issue. > > Daniel > From Paul at essential-skills.com Fri Oct 31 19:09:01 2003 From: Paul at essential-skills.com (Paul Kline) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 14:09:01 -0500 Subject: Updated ISO images? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1067627341.1133.3.camel@knightrider.sewh.com> Hi Don, This maybe a glibc error. Edit your /etc/hosts and take out whitespaces, blank lines, etc. to fix this bug. To test if its a glibc error run this "CAMEL_VERBOSE_DEBUG=1 evolution &> mylog.txt" look at mylog.txt to see if there is ELO, instead of the normal POP response Paul On Fri, 2003-10-31 at 11:28, Don wrote: > Well, shortly after sending that note, I found rawritewin and created > the floppy disk. > > I tried to send this note from the fully-updated FCT3 system on my > laptop using Evolution 1.4 .... but it seems it can't send mail. When > sending, I get an error back about From unknown or something like > that. > > > Don > > -----Original Message----- > From: fedora-test-list-admin at redhat.com > [mailto:fedora-test-list-admin at redhat.com]On Behalf Of Don > Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 4:17 PM > To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com > Subject: RE: Updated ISO images? > > > OK... I'll try that.... I downloaded the mg file, but now how > do I create a floppy disk from it? I thought I used a program > called rawwrite or something like that, but that's not > recognized on m Win 2000 system... > > Thanks, > Don > -----Original Message----- > From: fedora-test-list-admin at redhat.com > [mailto:fedora-test-list-admin at redhat.com]On Behalf Of > Sean Earp > Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 7:57 AM > To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com > Subject: Re: Updated ISO images? > > > On Oct 27, 2003, at 11:22 PM, Don Russell wrote: > > I got the ISO images for FCT3 and installed it > on two machines.... > > The laptop install went "OK", but the update > utility doesn't work, it hangs during checking > dependencies etc. > > The desktop install fails miserably.... > choking big time with rpmdb fatal errors > during the package install. > > Question is... are there newer ISO images I > can d/l and try again? > > Thanks, > Don > > Don- > > That would probably be the most reported bug of > FCT3... There is an anaconda update that you can > download at > . Create a floppy from the image file, boot to the installation CD, put the floppy in, and then type "linux updates" (might be "linux update") It should update anacona on the fly and fix the problem. If it does not, please reflect your experiences at > > -Sean > > GPG public key: > From nosp at xades.com Fri Oct 31 19:16:43 2003 From: nosp at xades.com (nosp) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 19:16:43 +0000 Subject: gnomemm support? In-Reply-To: <20031031195454.7dcd6049.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de> References: <1067624075.7977.14.camel@earth.xades.com> <20031031195454.7dcd6049.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de> Message-ID: <1067627803.7977.21.camel@earth.xades.com> On Fri, 2003-10-31 at 18:54, Michael Schwendt wrote: > On Fri, 31 Oct 2003 18:14:35 +0000, nosp wrote: > > > Any reason why Fedora doesn't include libgnomemm and related -mm rpms? > > Only one I can find is gtkmm2. I'd like to file an RFE if there is no > > particular reason. > > See http://fedora.us/QA Awesome. I'll help test if needed. From ms-nospam-0306 at arcor.de Fri Oct 31 19:24:49 2003 From: ms-nospam-0306 at arcor.de (Michael Schwendt) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 20:24:49 +0100 Subject: gnomemm support? In-Reply-To: <1067627803.7977.21.camel@earth.xades.com> References: <1067624075.7977.14.camel@earth.xades.com> <20031031195454.7dcd6049.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de> <1067627803.7977.21.camel@earth.xades.com> Message-ID: <20031031202449.6d5d72a2.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de> On Fri, 31 Oct 2003 19:16:43 +0000, nosp wrote: > On Fri, 2003-10-31 at 18:54, Michael Schwendt wrote: > > On Fri, 31 Oct 2003 18:14:35 +0000, nosp wrote: > > > > > Any reason why Fedora doesn't include libgnomemm and related -mm rpms? > > > Only one I can find is gtkmm2. I'd like to file an RFE if there is no > > > particular reason. > > > > See http://fedora.us/QA > > Awesome. I'll help test if needed. Always appreciated by both the packager(s) and the limited number of reviewing/QA resources. -- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From jeremyp at pobox.com Fri Oct 31 19:35:43 2003 From: jeremyp at pobox.com (Jeremy Portzer) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 14:35:43 -0500 Subject: ok, graphical boot, one more time In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1067628943.26388.32.camel@jeremy.dtcc.cc.nc.us> On Fri, 2003-10-31 at 13:11, Robert P. J. Day wrote: > but it also points out a noticeable change in functionality between the > old and newer versions of initscripts, which almost certainly has been > causing some of this confusion. Correct, and if you'll check the list archives, you'll see that we already had this conversation several times (last week, I think), about the "nogui" vs "rghb" options. :-) --Jeremy -- /---------------------------------------------------------------------\ | Jeremy Portzer jeremyp at pobox.com trilug.org/~jeremy | | GPG Fingerprint: 712D 77C7 AB2D 2130 989F E135 6F9F F7BC CC1A 7B92 | \---------------------------------------------------------------------/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From xose at wanadoo.es Fri Oct 31 19:57:43 2003 From: xose at wanadoo.es (Xose Vazquez Perez) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 20:57:43 +0100 Subject: Testing current rawhide... References: <20031031135641.69512.qmail@web10704.mail.yahoo.com> <20031031182614.GA25955@redhat.com> Message-ID: <3FA2BEB7.8020900@wanadoo.es> Dave Jones wrote: > Anaconda in the current tree disables DMA to non-disks during boot up. > This means for those folks who had devices that could handle > DMA fine, they now have to flip to tty2 and hdparm -d1 /dev/whatever And why not an option on anaconda to activate/deactivate DMA ? -- HTML mails are going to trash automagically From jjramsey_6x9eq42 at yahoo.com Fri Oct 31 20:11:20 2003 From: jjramsey_6x9eq42 at yahoo.com (James J. Ramsey) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 12:11:20 -0800 (PST) Subject: Graphical boot breaks Wacom USB support (Was Re: Trying to get the Graphire to work) Message-ID: <20031031201120.39674.qmail@web10709.mail.yahoo.com> I had thought that updating to the latest Rawhide fixed the problems I had getting the Graphire to run. Turns out I was wrong. The changes to the initscripts package that made the graphical boot not come up without the "rhgb" kernel option also hid the underlying problem. Quite simply, when I enable the graphical boot, the Graphire doesn't work. When I disable it, the Graphire works fine. Details at Bugzilla . Given that the graphical boot actually breaks something, and that it's only a short time until Fedora Core 1 is released, maybe it might be wise to leave the graphical boot turned off by default in the final release--unless it can be fixed in time. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/ From czar at czarc.net Fri Oct 31 20:28:55 2003 From: czar at czarc.net (Gene C.) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 15:28:55 -0500 Subject: gnome-panel drawer problem Message-ID: <200310311528.55816.czar@czarc.net> For those of you aggravated by the problem where the drawer does not work (works initially but then stops ... especially after re-login), I have created a patch. The problem results in the launcher buttons in the drawer not working. Given the current state of FC 1, fixing this problem has a zero chance before general availability. This refers to problems: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=104492 http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=121072 The problem has been fixed upstream (around 16 Sep) and the patch is attached to 104492. This patch was created by a diff comparing button-widget.c in the gnome-panel-2.4.0-3 tarball against that available from the cvs as of today. The patch picks up three additional fixes in the cvs which are pretty much restricted to button-widget.c or just make some simple changes to text. I have built some rpms based on this patch and test it -- it appears to fix the problem. As with other such limited testing of code, your milage may vary. Build your own update from the patch in bugzilla or the prebuilt rpms are available via anonymous ftp at ftp://czarc.net/pub/ and are named: gnome-panel-2.4.0-3.gc2.i386.rpm gnome-panel-2.4.0-3.gc2.src.rpm These packages will not be there forever but should be around for at least a couple of weeks. -- Gene C. From fernando.alvarez-uria at ya.com Fri Oct 31 20:35:17 2003 From: fernando.alvarez-uria at ya.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Fernando_=C1lvarez-Ur=EDa?=) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 21:35:17 +0100 Subject: Problems recompiling 2.4.22-1.2088.nptl In-Reply-To: <20031031030823.GC17002@redhat.com> References: <3FA1D095.2080802@ya.com> <20031031030823.GC17002@redhat.com> Message-ID: <3FA2C785.5040308@ya.com> Dave Jones wrote: >On Fri, Oct 31, 2003 at 04:01:41AM +0100, Fernando ?lvarez-Ur?a wrote: > > >Did you also boot with acpi=on ? > > Dave > > Well, i did not passed that parameter to the kernel. Now acpi works great, but im still wondering why the kernel did not compiled... -- Fernando ?lvarez-Ur?a Madrid, Spain fernando.alvarez-uria at ya.com From johnsonm at redhat.com Fri Oct 31 20:40:56 2003 From: johnsonm at redhat.com (Michael K. Johnson) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 15:40:56 -0500 Subject: Schedule slip Message-ID: <20031031154056.A4480@devserv.devel.redhat.com> We had to respin FC1 today for a non-technical issue (that's all I can say, sorry), which resets the clock for release. We have to start over again with the export process, and I don't think they work weekends, so we have to slip until after we hear back from them and then sync to mirrors. Wednesday the 5th is slightly possible, a day later more likely. We did at least pull in a few technical fixes as well whil we were at it. Sorry about that, michaelkjohnson "He that composes himself is wiser than he that composes a book." Linux Application Development -- Ben Franklin http://people.redhat.com/johnsonm/lad/ From alan at redhat.com Fri Oct 31 20:38:54 2003 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 15:38:54 -0500 (EST) Subject: will there be a tui user config In-Reply-To: <20031029202135.A2553@devserv.devel.redhat.com> from "Michael K. Johnson" at Hyd 29, 2003 08:21:35 Message-ID: <200310312038.h9VKcsm07819@devserv.devel.redhat.com> > Yeah, and the reason there was a curtain to begin with on AIX was > their keeping all the configuration in a binary database and > regenerating the config files blindly every time you sneezed. "SMIT happens" From czar at czarc.net Fri Oct 31 20:52:46 2003 From: czar at czarc.net (Gene C.) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 15:52:46 -0500 Subject: Schedule slip In-Reply-To: <20031031154056.A4480@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <20031031154056.A4480@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <200310311552.46376.czar@czarc.net> On Friday 31 October 2003 15:40, Michael K. Johnson wrote: > We have > to start over again with the export process, and I don't think > they work weekends, so we have to slip until after we hear back > from them and then sync to mirrors. This is a bit "cryptic". I assume that you mean that you need to get "export approval" dealing with encryption stuff, that the process needed to restart, and that "they" (the US Government) do not work weekends. -- Gene From aoliva at redhat.com Fri Oct 31 21:11:10 2003 From: aoliva at redhat.com (Alexandre Oliva) Date: 31 Oct 2003 19:11:10 -0200 Subject: Schedule slip In-Reply-To: <200310311552.46376.czar@czarc.net> References: <20031031154056.A4480@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <200310311552.46376.czar@czarc.net> Message-ID: On Oct 31, 2003, "Gene C." wrote: > On Friday 31 October 2003 15:40, Michael K. Johnson wrote: >> We have >> to start over again with the export process, and I don't think >> they work weekends, so we have to slip until after we hear back >> from them and then sync to mirrors. > I assume that you mean that you need to get "export approval" dealing with > encryption stuff, that the process needed to restart, and that "they" (the US > Government) do not work weekends. Your reading skills are much better than mine. My first thought was: heck!, service nfs restart doesn't take that long to run, and I've certainly run it on weekends before :-) -- Alexandre Oliva Enjoy Guarana', see http://www.ic.unicamp.br/~oliva/ Red Hat GCC Developer aoliva@{redhat.com, gcc.gnu.org} CS PhD student at IC-Unicamp oliva@{lsd.ic.unicamp.br, gnu.org} Free Software Evangelist Professional serial bug killer From dnrlinux at san.rr.com Fri Oct 31 21:26:17 2003 From: dnrlinux at san.rr.com (Don) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 13:26:17 -0800 Subject: Updated ISO images? In-Reply-To: <1067627341.1133.3.camel@knightrider.sewh.com> Message-ID: Paul, That was a very amusing exercise.... :-) Here's the results of the "mylog.txt" file.... sending EHLO [10.10.10.14]^M received 502 sending MAIL FROM: ^M received 503 5.0.0 Polite people say HELO first sending QUIT OK, fine.... obviously my ISP SMTP server doesn't like EHLO and wants to see HELO. So, why does evolution report back? Error while performing operation: MAIL FROM response error: unknown What's the purpose of an error message? To allow somebody to diagnose a problem. So how about something like: Error while sending mail: EHLO response error: 502 MAIL FROM response error: 503 5.0.0 Polite people say HELO first The next question is, since EHLO failed, evolution should do one of two things: - try HELO - or stop there... an error of 502 means there's not much point in continuing. Then my little test message remains in the outbox... I deleted it by selecting it and pressing the delete key. The item count in the outbox is now 2 (from my original message as well, also deleted) and when I close evolution it warns me that I have unsent items in the outbox.... there're problems in the delete code when removing items from the outbox. Don > -----Original Message----- > From: fedora-test-list-admin at redhat.com > [mailto:fedora-test-list-admin at redhat.com]On Behalf Of Paul Kline > Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 11:09 AM > To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com > Subject: RE: Updated ISO images? > > > Hi Don, > > This maybe a glibc error. Edit your /etc/hosts and take out whitespaces, > blank lines, etc. to fix this bug. > > To test if its a glibc error run this "CAMEL_VERBOSE_DEBUG=1 evolution > &> mylog.txt" > > look at mylog.txt to see if there is ELO, instead of the normal POP > response > > Paul > > > On Fri, 2003-10-31 at 11:28, Don wrote: > > Well, shortly after sending that note, I found rawritewin and created > > the floppy disk. > > > > I tried to send this note from the fully-updated FCT3 system on my > > laptop using Evolution 1.4 .... but it seems it can't send mail. When > > sending, I get an error back about From unknown or something like > > that. > > > > > > Don > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: fedora-test-list-admin at redhat.com > > [mailto:fedora-test-list-admin at redhat.com]On Behalf Of Don > > Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 4:17 PM > > To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com > > Subject: RE: Updated ISO images? > > > > > > OK... I'll try that.... I downloaded the mg file, but now how > > do I create a floppy disk from it? I thought I used a program > > called rawwrite or something like that, but that's not > > recognized on m Win 2000 system... > > > > Thanks, > > Don > > -----Original Message----- > > From: fedora-test-list-admin at redhat.com > > [mailto:fedora-test-list-admin at redhat.com]On Behalf Of > > Sean Earp > > Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 7:57 AM > > To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com > > Subject: Re: Updated ISO images? > > > > > > On Oct 27, 2003, at 11:22 PM, Don Russell wrote: > > > > I got the ISO images for FCT3 and installed it > > on two machines.... > > > > The laptop install went "OK", but the update > > utility doesn't work, it hangs during checking > > dependencies etc. > > > > The desktop install fails miserably.... > > choking big time with rpmdb fatal errors > > during the package install. > > > > Question is... are there newer ISO images I > > can d/l and try again? > > > > Thanks, > > Don > > > > Don- > > > > That would probably be the most reported bug of > > FCT3... There is an anaconda update that you can > > download at > > > . Create a > floppy from the image file, boot to the installation CD, put the > floppy in, and then type "linux updates" (might be "linux > update") It should update anacona on the fly and fix the problem. > If it does not, please reflect your experiences at > > > > > -Sean > > > > GPG public key: > > > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From Paul at essential-skills.com Fri Oct 31 21:39:10 2003 From: Paul at essential-skills.com (Paul Kline) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 16:39:10 -0500 Subject: Updated ISO images? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1067636350.1257.8.camel@knightrider.sewh.com> On Fri, 2003-10-31 at 16:26, Don wrote: > Paul, > That was a very amusing exercise.... :-) > > Here's the results of the "mylog.txt" file.... > > sending EHLO [10.10.10.14]^M > received 502 > sending MAIL FROM: ^M > received 503 5.0.0 Polite people say HELO first > sending QUIT > > OK, fine.... obviously my ISP SMTP server doesn't like EHLO and wants to see > HELO. > > So, why does evolution report back? > Error while performing operation: > MAIL FROM response error: unknown > > What's the purpose of an error message? To allow somebody to diagnose a > problem. > So how about something like: > Error while sending mail: > EHLO response error: 502 > MAIL FROM response error: 503 5.0.0 Polite people say HELO first > > The next question is, since EHLO failed, evolution should do one of two > things: > - try HELO > - or stop there... an error of 502 means there's not much point in > continuing. > > Then my little test message remains in the outbox... I deleted it by > selecting it and pressing the delete key. > The item count in the outbox is now 2 (from my original message as well, > also deleted) and when I close evolution it warns me that I have unsent > items in the outbox.... there're problems in the delete code when removing > items from the outbox. > > Don > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: fedora-test-list-admin at redhat.com > > [mailto:fedora-test-list-admin at redhat.com]On Behalf Of Paul Kline > > Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 11:09 AM > > To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com > > Subject: RE: Updated ISO images? > > > > > > Hi Don, > > > > This maybe a glibc error. Edit your /etc/hosts and take out whitespaces, > > blank lines, etc. to fix this bug. > > > > To test if its a glibc error run this "CAMEL_VERBOSE_DEBUG=1 evolution > > &> mylog.txt" > > > > look at mylog.txt to see if there is ELO, instead of the normal POP > > response > > > > Paul Don, do this 1) edit your /etc/hosts and clean out the whitespaces and blanklines. If that does not work. delete the comments. HTH, Paul From czar at czarc.net Fri Oct 31 21:54:30 2003 From: czar at czarc.net (Gene C.) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 16:54:30 -0500 Subject: new bugzilla look Message-ID: <200310311654.30763.czar@czarc.net> I get saw the "new look" for bugzilla ... nice. -- Gene From kreg at virtual1.net Fri Oct 31 22:14:13 2003 From: kreg at virtual1.net (Kreg Steppe) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 17:14:13 -0500 Subject: new bugzilla look In-Reply-To: <200310311654.30763.czar@czarc.net> References: <200310311654.30763.czar@czarc.net> Message-ID: <3FA2DEB5.4040502@virtual1.net> Straight up, it is nice. Gene C. wrote: >I get saw the "new look" for bugzilla ... nice. > > From shrek-m at gmx.de Fri Oct 31 22:41:33 2003 From: shrek-m at gmx.de (shrek-m at gmx.de) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 23:41:33 +0100 Subject: new bugzilla look In-Reply-To: <200310311654.30763.czar@czarc.net> References: <200310311654.30763.czar@czarc.net> Message-ID: <3FA2E51D.4060007@gmx.de> Gene C. wrote: >I get saw the "new look" for bugzilla ... nice. > is it possible to use bugzilla with a text-browser eg. lynx, links, ... in the case that X,Mozilla,... are not available ? this will not say that i do not like the new look, it looks now fedora-ish. -- shrek-m From maxka at myrealbox.com Fri Oct 31 22:19:54 2003 From: maxka at myrealbox.com (Maxwell Kanat-Alexander) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 14:19:54 -0800 Subject: Nautilus SIGILL (WAS Re: Testing current rawhide...) In-Reply-To: <20031031102117.W2097@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <20031030094936.A3127@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1067561272.3658.3.camel@max.localdomain> <1067563701.12053.0.camel@max.localdomain> <20031031102117.W2097@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1067638774.3351.0.camel@max.localdomain> On Fri, 2003-10-31 at 07:21, Jakub Jelinek wrote: > Have you made copies of the problematic binary and its libraries? > Without it there is no way to debug this... > > Jakub Eek. Sorry. Next prelink upgrade, if this happens again, I'll give you the info. I had a core w/ debugging info, but that's about it. -M From scowles at earthlink.net Fri Oct 31 22:48:49 2003 From: scowles at earthlink.net (S. Cowles) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 14:48:49 -0800 Subject: [Bug 105979] kernel-source Makefile uses gcc not gcc32 Message-ID: <200310311448.54387.scowles@earthlink.net> I raised a problem with kernel compiles in an addendum to bugzilla bug 105979. It was pointed out that the problem (shown below) is caused by a workaround to kernel 2.4 build system limitations. Does anyone know a simple way to get the 2.4.22-1.2115.nptl kernel to build in Fedora 095 on the i386 platform? This is a bare-metal install of 095. The problem I'm having is shown here: # cd /usr/src/linux-2.4.22-1.2115.nptl # make clean # make mrproper # make menuconfig # make dep # make ... ar rcs lib.a checksum.o old-checksum.o delay.o usercopy.o getuser.o memcpy.o strstr.o make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-2.4.22-1.2115.nptl/arch/i386/lib' make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-2.4.22-1.2115.nptl/arch/i386/lib' make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/src/linux-2.4.22-1.2115.nptl' kallsyms pass 1 ld -m elf_i386 -T /usr/src/linux-2.4.22-1.2115.nptl/arch/i386/vmlinux.lds -e stext arch/i386/kernel/head.o arch/i386/kernel/init_task.o init/main.o init/version.o init/do_mounts.o --start-group arch/i386/kernel/kernel.o arch/i386/mm/mm.o kernel/kernel.o mm/mm.o fs/fs.o ipc/ipc.o drivers/acpi/acpi.o drivers/cpufreq/cpufreq.o drivers/char/char.o drivers/block/block.o drivers/misc/misc.o drivers/net/net.o drivers/char/drm/drm.o drivers/net/fc/fc.o drivers/net/appletalk/appletalk.o drivers/net/tokenring/tr.o drivers/net/wan/wan.o drivers/atm/atm.o drivers/ide/idedriver.o drivers/cdrom/driver.o drivers/pci/driver.o drivers/net/pcmcia/pcmcia_net.o drivers/net/wireless/wireless_net.o drivers/pnp/pnp.o drivers/video/video.o drivers/media/media.o drivers/md/mddev.o drivers/isdn/vmlinux-obj.o crypto/crypto.o net/network.o /usr/src/linux-2.4.22-1.2115.nptl/arch/i386/lib/lib.a /usr/src/linux-2.4.22-1.2115.nptl/lib/lib.a /usr/src/linux-2.4.22-1.2115.nptl/arch/i386/lib/lib.a --end-group -o .tmp_vmlinux1 kernel/kernel.o(.text+0xfc3): In function `schedule': : undefined reference to `active_load_balance' make[1]: *** [kallsyms] Error 1 make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-2.4.22-1.2115.nptl' make: *** [vmlinux] Error 2 03-10-31 10:44:26 [122] bubo10:src/linux-2.4.22-1.2115.nptl# From christoph.wickert at web.de Fri Oct 31 23:08:31 2003 From: christoph.wickert at web.de (Christoph Wickert) Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2003 00:08:31 +0100 Subject: gmix vs xmms Message-ID: <1067641674.6210.19.camel@hal9000.lokales.netz> Hi there! I have trouble with xmms. Sometimes I can't change the volume in xmms, only gmix works. Only happens in gnome, kde works fine. When I open gmix it sometimes changes the volume: xmms is already running and I've increased volume, it's decreased by gmix loading it's settings. Anybody else seeing this? I think, the volume levels should be restored at login, not on gmix startup. Never had this problem before, only on fedora. Christoph -- Christoph Wickert From maxka at myrealbox.com Fri Oct 31 23:11:36 2003 From: maxka at myrealbox.com (Maxwell Kanat-Alexander) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 15:11:36 -0800 Subject: Schedule slip In-Reply-To: <200310311552.46376.czar@czarc.net> References: <20031031154056.A4480@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <200310311552.46376.czar@czarc.net> Message-ID: <1067641896.3351.3.camel@max.localdomain> On Fri, 2003-10-31 at 12:52, Gene C. wrote: > I assume that you mean that you need to get "export approval" dealing with > encryption stuff, that the process needed to restart, and that "they" (the US > Government) do not work weekends. Heh. There are other governments also, to deal with, and other reasons why exports can be a problem, though with computers cryptography is the most common. "Export Regulations" is what the Shipping Department in many companies spends almost all its time worrying about. -M From markkukolkka at kolumbus.fi Fri Oct 31 23:15:47 2003 From: markkukolkka at kolumbus.fi (Markku Kolkka) Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 01:15:47 +0200 Subject: new bugzilla look In-Reply-To: <3FA2E51D.4060007@gmx.de> References: <200310311654.30763.czar@czarc.net> <3FA2E51D.4060007@gmx.de> Message-ID: <200311010115.47578.markkukolkka@kolumbus.fi> shrek-m at gmx.de kirjoitti viestiss??n (l?hetysaika Lauantai 1. Marraskuuta 2003 00:41): > Gene C. wrote: > >I get saw the "new look" for bugzilla ... nice. > > is it possible to use bugzilla with a text-browser > eg. lynx, links, ... It appears to work in elinks. -- Markku Kolkka markku.kolkka at iki.fi From dnrlinux at san.rr.com Fri Oct 31 23:33:12 2003 From: dnrlinux at san.rr.com (Don) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 15:33:12 -0800 Subject: Updated ISO images? In-Reply-To: <1067636350.1257.8.camel@knightrider.sewh.com> Message-ID: Paul, Same result after I removed all white space from the /etc/hosts file. Also, same result after I deleted the comments from the /etc/hosts file. rpm-q evolution shows version 1.4.5-7 Bugzilla time? Don > -----Original Message----- > From: fedora-test-list-admin at redhat.com > [mailto:fedora-test-list-admin at redhat.com]On Behalf Of Paul Kline > Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 1:39 PM > To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com > Subject: RE: Updated ISO images? > > > On Fri, 2003-10-31 at 16:26, Don wrote: > > Paul, > > That was a very amusing exercise.... :-) > > > > Here's the results of the "mylog.txt" file.... > > > > sending EHLO [10.10.10.14]^M > > received 502 > > sending MAIL FROM: ^M > > received 503 5.0.0 Polite people say HELO first > > sending QUIT > > > > OK, fine.... obviously my ISP SMTP server doesn't like EHLO and > wants to see > > HELO. > > > > So, why does evolution report back? > > Error while performing operation: > > MAIL FROM response error: unknown > > > > What's the purpose of an error message? To allow somebody to diagnose a > > problem. > > So how about something like: > > Error while sending mail: > > EHLO response error: 502 > > MAIL FROM response error: 503 5.0.0 Polite people say HELO first > > > > The next question is, since EHLO failed, evolution should do one of two > > things: > > - try HELO > > - or stop there... an error of 502 means there's not much point in > > continuing. > > > > Then my little test message remains in the outbox... I deleted it by > > selecting it and pressing the delete key. > > The item count in the outbox is now 2 (from my original message as well, > > also deleted) and when I close evolution it warns me that I have unsent > > items in the outbox.... there're problems in the delete code > when removing > > items from the outbox. > > > > Don > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: fedora-test-list-admin at redhat.com > > > [mailto:fedora-test-list-admin at redhat.com]On Behalf Of Paul Kline > > > Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 11:09 AM > > > To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com > > > Subject: RE: Updated ISO images? > > > > > > > > > Hi Don, > > > > > > This maybe a glibc error. Edit your /etc/hosts and take out > whitespaces, > > > blank lines, etc. to fix this bug. > > > > > > To test if its a glibc error run this "CAMEL_VERBOSE_DEBUG=1 evolution > > > &> mylog.txt" > > > > > > look at mylog.txt to see if there is ELO, instead of the normal POP > > > response > > > > > > Paul > > Don, > > do this > > 1) edit your /etc/hosts and clean out the whitespaces and blanklines. If > that does not work. delete the comments. > > HTH, > > Paul > > > > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From davej at redhat.com Fri Oct 31 23:50:45 2003 From: davej at redhat.com (Dave Jones) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 23:50:45 +0000 Subject: [Bug 105979] kernel-source Makefile uses gcc not gcc32 In-Reply-To: <200310311448.54387.scowles@earthlink.net> References: <200310311448.54387.scowles@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <20031031235044.GA10130@redhat.com> On Fri, Oct 31, 2003 at 02:48:49PM -0800, S. Cowles wrote: > > I raised a problem with kernel compiles in an addendum to bugzilla bug 105979. > It was pointed out that the problem (shown below) is caused by a workaround > to kernel 2.4 build system limitations. Does anyone know a simple way to get > the 2.4.22-1.2115.nptl kernel to build in Fedora 095 on the i386 platform? > This is a bare-metal install of 095. run 'make oldconfig' again, and it usually sorts itself out. Dave From notting at redhat.com Mon Oct 13 18:25:02 2003 From: notting at redhat.com (Bill Nottingham) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 14:25:02 -0400 Subject: Updated Fedora Core test release: Severn Message-ID: <20031013142502.A18694@devserv.devel.redhat.com> WONDER ... at the bugs that have been fixed! GROAN ... at the bugs that haven't been fixed! MARVEL ... at Bill actually getting the download location and torrent names right! Yes, it's another update of the Fedora Core test release, SEVERN. Problems with SEVERN should be reported via bugzilla, at: http://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/ Please report bugs against 'Fedora Core', release 'test3'. For more information on just what the Fedora Project and Fedora Core is, please see: http://fedora.redhat.com/ For discussion of SEVERN, send mail to: fedora-test-list-request at redhat.com with subscribe in the subject line. You can leave the body empty. Or see: https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list/ As always, you can get SEVERN at redhat.com, specifically: ftp://ftp.redhat.com/pub/redhat/linux/beta/severn/ Or the following mirrors: North America: United States: - ftp://redhat.dulug.duke.edu/pub/redhat/linux/beta/severn/ - ftp://mirror.hiwaay.net/redhat/redhat/linux/beta/severn/ - http://mirror.hiwaay.net/redhat/redhat/linux/beta/severn/ - http://www.gtlib.cc.gatech.edu/pub/redhat/linux/beta/severn/ - ftp://ftp.gtlib.cc.gatech.edu/pub/redhat/linux/beta/severn/ - rsync://rsync.gtlib.cc.gatech.edu/redhat/linux/beta/severn/ - ftp://linux.nssl.noaa.gov/linux/redhat/linux/beta/severn/ Europe: Czech Republic: - ftp://sunsite.mff.cuni.cz/MIRRORS/ftp.redhat.com/redhat/linux/beta/severn/ - ftp://ultra.linux.cz/MIRRORS/ftp.redhat.com/redhat/linux/beta/severn/ - ftp://ftp.linux.cz/pub/linux/redhat/linux/beta/severn/ - ftp://ftp6.linux.cz/pub/linux/redhat/linux/beta/severn/ Denmark: - ftp://klid.dk/pub/redhat/linux/beta/severn/ Finland: - ftp://ftp.funet.fi/pub/mirrors/ftp.redhat.com/redhat/linux/beta/severn/ - http://ftp.funet.fi/pub/mirrors/ftp.redhat.com/redhat/linux/beta/severn/ Germany: - ftp://ftp-stud.fht-esslingen.de/pub/redhat/beta/severn/ - http://ftp-stud.fht-esslingen.de/pub/redhat/beta/severn/ - ftp://ftp.tu-chemnitz.de/pub/linux/redhat-ftp/redhat/linux/beta/severn/ - http://wftp.tu-chemnitz.de/pub/linux/redhat-ftp/redhat/linux/beta/severn/ Netherlands: - ftp://alviss.et.tudelft.nl/pub/redhat/beta/severn/ - ftp://ftp.quicknet.nl/pub/Linux/ftp.redhat.com/beta/severn/ Portugal: - ftp://tux.cprm.net/pub/ftp.redhat.com/beta/severn/ One additional feature provided by the Linux community is the availability of SEVERN via BitTorrent. http://torrent.dulug.duke.edu/severn-binary-iso.torrent http://torrent.dulug.duke.edu/severn-src-iso.torrent RPMS for Red Hat Linux 7.3 through 9 of BitTorrent are available from: http://torrent.dulug.duke.edu/btrpms/ Usage is simple: btdownloadcurses.py --url http://URL.torrent Allow incoming TCP 6881 - 6889 to join the torrent swarm. http://torrent.dulug.duke.edu/ From dcbw at redhat.com Mon Oct 27 14:36:07 2003 From: dcbw at redhat.com (Dan Williams) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 09:36:07 -0500 Subject: RFT: openoffice.org tweaks to speed up startup In-Reply-To: <1067163754.864.3.camel@teapot.felipe-alfaro.com> References: <20031025041425.W2097@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1067163754.864.3.camel@teapot.felipe-alfaro.com> Message-ID: <1067265367.4644.0.camel@dhcp64-188.boston.redhat.com> Did you measure that test on soffice3.bin from a cold-booted system? Otherwise, you may run into the pagein behavior and the libraries will already be loaded. If you're going to do objective tests of this, you have to cold-boot each time you test a different soffice binary... Dan On Sun, 2003-10-26 at 05:22, Felipe Alfaro Solana wrote: > On Sat, 2003-10-25 at 10:14, Jakub Jelinek wrote: > > > > I've done some tweaks to OO.o to make it more prelink-friendly > > (and thus to start up faster). > > ftp://people.redhat.com/jakub/openoffice.org/ > > contains openoffice.org-1.1.0-3.1 package, with 2 differences > > against 1.1.0-3 in rawhide: > > Using soffice3.bin makes loading OpenOffice.org considerable faster than > standard OO.org for the very first time (it has to load a ton of .so > files from disk). Loading OO.org for a second time is nearly > instantaneous, taking less than 1 or 2 seconds. > > Good work! >