lilo vs grub

[Janina Sajka]

If lilo does things today that are useful to people and that grub cannot
yet do, what's wrong with including lilo?

Mark Mielke writes:
> From: Mark Mielke <mark at mark.mielke.cc>
> 
> On Sun, Oct 19, 2003 at 10:54:42PM -0400, Jim Cornette wrote:
> > I think that LILO and GRUB should both be included in the distribution. 
> > An important utility like a boot loader should have a backup version. I 
> > needed lilo to restore my ability to boot when I changed drives on the 
> > primary master.
> > Grub failed on an intermediate stage and I would have not been able to 
> > boot my system successfully without having lilo.
> 
> Why didn't you have a backup grub partition? You didn't need lilo to boot.
> You happened to have lilo. Note the difference. Also, grub can be put
> stand-alone on a floppy that allows you to re-install grub without booting
> the system up. Lilo gives you nothing of this.
> 
> > If it is a better choice for the eyes free mode for users. It makes even 
> > more sense to start including it again.
> 
> Why is it a better choice? Why does it make even more sense to start
> including again?
> 
> I find lilo to be dangerous - if you don't run lilo after moving the kernel
> image, or installation a new kernel image, you are dead. Grub gives you
> several different options to work from.

Ahem, you're supposed to have that back up disk? Right? Just as you said
"have a backup grub partition?" Let's at least be consistent!

> 
> I see no reason why lilo should continue to be developed, or why it should
> be re-included into fedora or redhat.

Two different issues. The reason it should be put back in is that grub
isn't doing everything we need out of a boot loader yet. Guess the grub
folks were short on their user requirements list.

> 
> If you have a problem with how it works 'eyes free', your efforts would be
> better spent making suggestions to the grub developers, or even better,
> providing source code patches for them to work from.

Meanwhile we're supposed to suffer? I think not.


> 
> Cheers,
> mark
> 
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Janina Sajka
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