XMMS (was: Re: rawhide report: 20050405 changes)

[Jeff Spaleta]

On Apr 5, 2005 11:23 PM, Mike Bird <mgb-fedora at yosemite.net> wrote:
> We're moving in the wrong direction.  It will not get better unless we
> change course.

Your opinion, and I don't think its an informed opinion. I personally
think things are moving forward.  And perhaps more importantly Seth
thinks things are moving in the right direction and is is far more
aware than either of us about the technical specifics of what needs
work in terms of the buildsystem. And clearly from the responses in
this thread, he is in communication with people inside the RedHat
fenceline about working towards an integrated solution.

> Integration is much less work than reinventing a "separate but unequal"
> Extras environment.

Who exactly is saying integration isn't the goal? Who is saying that
what Seth is working on right now isn't an important piece of the path
to integration? And who to say that its not Core thats going to be
eventually using what is being worked on now for Extras?  Again.. you
seem to have a very good grasp of the long term goal that everyone is
working on.. but i don't think you have a good understanding of what
the reality is in Core or in Extras right now in terms of available
tools/systems/processes and their limitations. What RedHat has been
using as a buildsystem internally is not going to scale out to
contributors. The system has to be re-engineered to allow for
contributors in the system and I see absolutely no evidence that the
work Seth is doing is duplicating internal RedHat work beyond a
superficial comparison.

-jef"I'm not going to be satified until the Fedora buildsystem can
build me a pony"spaleta