A rant regarding LILO and various other related issues

[Guy Fraser]

Point taken.

If I try it and is still performs the same, I'll submit a bug 
report. If I get the same runaround I have gotten up till 
now, I'll be back on the soap box!


On Wed, 2005-13-04 at 20:26 -0400, Jeff Spaleta wrote:
> On 4/13/05, John Morris <jmorris at beau.org> wrote:
> > Ok all you brainiacs at RH, could you tell me what dark magic I need to
> > incant to get "grub-install" to 'just work(tm)' on a RHEL3 system
> > running software RAID1 on a pair of IDE drives?  So far the only ways I
> > know is to either let anaconda wizardry deal with it when initially
> > installing or use the grub shell and a string of rather newbie
> > unfriendly commands I got from a GRUB+RAID Howto I Googled up.
> 
> Users of this list.. should be primarily concerned about testing the
> grub in rawhide and in the fc4 test releases... fc4t2 being the most
> recent. How grub in rhel3 or rhel4 or rhl behaved is somewhat
> irrevelent.. unless you are drawing a direct comparison to the
> currently available grub that needs testing.
> 
> If in the past you had problems using grub in a raid setup.. please..
> pretty pretty please...
> try to install fc4t2 and see if the version of grub available now 
> handles the situation better.
> And please.. pretty pretty please.. file a bugreport in bugzilla with
> details and be prepared to test subsequent update grub packages that
> appear in the fedora core development tree.
> The best way for raid users to make sure fc4 works adequately for them
> is to particpate in testing now and try the new grub out.
> 
> > Once you have been burned a couple
> > of times by the unreliability of the modern IDE hard drive, RAID1
> > becomes a routine item.  For us RAID isn't an advanced feature for
> > servers, it is an essential item that any serious workstation needs
> > right along with a good UPS.  But for years every time anyone has filed
> > a bugzilla or complained on a list that grub ain't cutting it out in the
> > real world they either get ignored or blown off and get the party line
> > again; 
> 
> Again, lilo has been removed ..completely removed... once already in
> the testing cycle leading up to fc1. The developers put it back in
> part because they got enough feedback about the raid problems with the
> grub in those test releases. Now.. the core developers believe they
> have the raid issues fixed. Now its time for raid users to step up and
> test the newest grub again and report back. The fact that developers
> responded once already and placed lilo back into fc1 after it was
> removed in test releases.. proves that testers are not completely
> ignored and blown off. Anyone who believes raid users are being
> ignored... is ignoring the fact that lilo was removed and then added
> back in response to raid users in fc1.
> 
> I think everyone realizes you are bitter... if the extent of your
> gaols was to communicate your bitterness, consider the mission a
> success. Now if you want to actually effect change, you have a choice.
>  You can become an active participant in the testing of the lastest
> grub package focusing on the raid configurations that have caused you
> problems in the past, or you can move on to another distributrion.  
> If the grub in test2 works as the developers expect.. all of this
> drama seems a bit silly. People in your position need to test fc4t2 in
> raid situations and report back details about failures to move the
> issue forward.
> 
> -jef"by the way.. the sky _is_ falling"spaleta