END OF DISCUSSION: Grub is inadequate without Lilo for backup

[Patrick Barnes]

It's my turn to add something to this thread.  With luck, it will be the
last post to this thread.

1.  You're in the wrong place.
    This list is not for requesting packages to be included in Fedora
Core, nor is it for debating the merits of including specific packages.
This list is for discussion related to testing the development branch of
Fedora Core.

2.  You're using the wrong software.
    a.  This is open-source.
       If you don't like something, it is up to you to do something
about it, not anyone else.  The community has made its decision
regarding this matter.  If you don't like it, quite franky, go elsewhere.
    b.  This is a community project, with stated goals and directed
progress.
       It is clearly not the community's will that LILO be part of the
Fedora Core distribution.
    c.  This project is not meant to be a hardened, supported distribution.
       This project is a framework on which other distributions,
including those that are bundled with enterprise packages and support,
can be built.  You are welcome to explore those enterprise distributions
if you want enterprise features and are interested in enterprise goals.

3.  You're not following the necessary procedures.
    We're not here to hold your hand through your Linux experience.  If
you want LILO, go get the source and build it.  If you want something
included in Fedora Core, use GRUB.  If you have a problem with GRUB,
follow procedure and report the specific bug to Bugzilla.  It isn't
hard.  Maybe, just maybe, you'll help GRUB become what you claim LILO
is.  If bugs aren't being fixed, that means nobody cares to fix them,
and your only options are to fix them yourself, of hire somebody else to
do it.  The community will do what it wants.  You're free to do what you
want.  Maybe you want to try a more reliable boot loader with Windows?
You already have more freedom than you have earned.

4.  Things are done the way they are done for a reason.
    This isn't some high-school student's science project.  Everything
done with RHEL and Fedora Core is done for a reason.  If you don't like
it, go elsewhere.  If you can bring yourself to agree with the way of
things, this will be a better project for us all.

5.  You're not welcome.
    If this is how you are going to abuse your rights within the
community, and this is how you are going to interrupt the valuable time
of Fedora Core testers and developers, you need to leave.  We don't want
to hear you whine if you aren't willing to follow our procedures and
work cooperatively with us to benefit everyone.

6.  There's nothing keeping you from providing LILO.
    You are quite welcome to prepare a LILO package and submit it to
Fedora Extras.  You may maintain it, and if you want to see it stay, you
had better maintain it.  None of your crap about it "just working" and
testing not being necessary will be tolerated.  If you want a stable and
reliable program, it must continually be tested as the rest of the
project changes around it.  There are technologies on the horizon which
LILO is not prepared for.  That isn't to say that GRUB is prepared, but
this community has commited to making GRUB ready.  It is not interested
in devoting the resources to LILO.

7.  Take a hint.
    The next time you find yourself defending against the majority on a
community list, consider that it may be time to refrain from pushing the
issue.  The majority rules.  You can take your argument elsewhere until
you have real support for it.

That's my lucky seven points, so I'll stop here.  Do us all a favor and
do not continue to pursue this issue on this list.  Following this
thread and writing this message have pushed me well past when I intended
to go to bed, and my daughter has an important appointment in the
morning.  I hope you enjoy dragging us all into wasting our time in this
manner.

-Patrick "The N-Man" Barnes

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