END OF DISCUSSION: Grub is inadequate without Lilo for backup

[John Morris]

On Thu, 2005-04-21 at 09:35, Michael McCabe wrote:

> Have you tried submitting Lilo to Extras?

Ok, I can accept that grub replacing lilo in FC makes sense at this
point in history but please lets not say silly things like this, ok? 
(Seen it several times during this flameathon, not just picking on you.)
Having Lilo is Extras would be even less useful than the proverbial tits
on a bull.

There is no reason to remove lilo as such since it is small, reliable
and hasn't required updating in years, the reason I have seen for
removing it is to eliminate the need to continue supporting two
bootloaders in other related packages such as anaconda, grubby,
install-new-kernel, up2date, etc.  So if that feature removal happens
you can't have it in Extras and if it doesn't it should have stayed in
Core in first place  And even that ignores the main issue that Extras
isn't exactly going to be available at the time a boot loader is being
installed, unlike the arguments over whether gnumeric or pan stays in
core or moves to Extras where having to download after installation
matters much less.

Lilo either stays in Core or it goes entirely, there isn't a compromise
position possible.  Once it goes restoring it would require a fork of
the Fedora codebase, respins of the installation media, a new set of
mirrors to distribute said media from, etc.  Which is probably why the
flames have been raging higher than if it were just your typical
flamewar thread that would have followed Godwin's Law and devolved to
one side comparing the other to Hitler long before now.  :)

Still hoping "dual boot and raid never happens outside the lab so grub
not supporting it isn't a problem" isn't the final official position
though.  After all FC isn't intended as a production OS so aren't test
boxes & developer workstations the places where you would EXPECT to find
Fedora?  I'm moving toward having everything important on RAID but I
still have a single drive for / and boot because of attitudes like this
that result in continual reliability problems with RAID in the early
phases of system startup.  Perhaps since LVM presents many of the same
bootstrapping issues, and isn't treated like a red headed stepchild like
software RAID, these problems will get solved eventually.

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