FC4t2 no good without LILO

[Guy Fraser]

On Thu, 2005-14-04 at 16:32 -0700, Jesse Keating wrote:
> On Thu, 2005-04-14 at 17:24 -0600, Guy Fraser wrote:
> > I have only worked with a few, but non had an option to disable 
> > RAID. In the manual they had ways to use drives as though they 
> > weren't using RAID.
> 
> Guess your few are the exception.  I've worked with 30 or so different
> boards from just about all board makers (public and non-public) and most
> have the RAID vs NORAID option.
> 
> > Example. 
> > Setup one logical volume using the full size of only one drive.
> > 
> > Is that what you, you mean?
> 
> No, as it is still loading a RAID bios rather than just the disk itself.
> 
> >  That is how ASUS boards with Promise 
> > controllers work. ASUS boards and Promise controllers are both 
> > very much mainstream.
> 
> And Promise has been the source of a lot of problems with Linux.  Bad
> juju.  Of course, our Asus Promise boards have the ability to not be in
> RAID, maybe we're just lucky?
> 
> > > 
> > > > And older machines never had SATA.
> > > > 
> > > > Make up your frickin minds.
> > > 
> > > By SATA addon cards I'm talking about SATA PCI cards, not a chip on
> > the
> > > motherboard.
> > 
> > I know, why would you consider there use to be non standard.
> > 
> > I know lots of people have more than two drives, and the SATA on 
> > most motherboards only support two drives.
> 
> Know lots of people != mainstream.  Mainstream is the majority of users
> who have maybe a single drive.  Mainstream are people who aren't ripping
> apart their system at random to add drives and such in random
> configurations.  Mainstream works.

C'mon now, what fun is that?

I got this huge tower, and they keep having sales on hard 
drives, I can't help myself. Last week I was broke, but I
barely resisted buying another 200GB SATA on credit, they 
were selling for CAD$127 {one per household}. Fortunately 
after going to Tim Hortons to get a coffee I regained my 
senses and went back home to work on my Macrovision 
remover, so I can capture the 1000 VHS movies I have and
put them on DVDs. ;-)

> 
> > > 
> > > > > > Maybe the reason the developers can't find any problems is 
> > > > > > they are not adding any additional controller cards.
> > > > > 
> > > > > That is quite possible.  You are correct in that most SATA cards
> > > > lack
> > > > > the ability to disable loading a BIOS.  SATA cards loading a
> > BIOS
> > > > > overrides at times what is set in the motherboard BIOS for boot
> > > > order.
> > > > 
> > > > I would have never guessed.
> > > > 
> > > > What do you think people have been complaining about?
> > > 
> > > Again, I'm speaking of SATA PCI cards, not the onboard SATA chips of
> > > today's motherboards.  SATA PCI cards for the most part have been
> > POS
> > > things that only cause problems, regardless of boot loaders.
> > 
> > Maybe in your universe, we have been using them in FreeBSD 
> > servers for over a year and haven't had any problems. I have 
> > been using mine with Fedora for over a year and the only 
> > problems I've had were with GRUB.
> 
> This conversation has been about Linux, not FreeBSD.

Actually this is about GRUB and LILO. Both can be 
used to boot Linux or FreeBSD.

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