A rant regarding LILO and various other related issues

[Guy Fraser]

On Sat, 2005-16-04 at 15:17 +0000, James W. Bennett wrote:
> Timothy Murphy wrote:
> 
> >On Fri 15 Apr 2005 19:13, Paul Iadonisi wrote:
> >
> >  
> >
> >>>I find the arrogance of the Fedora team in failing to facilitate this
> >>>minority rather disturbing.
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>  If you are referring primarily to this thread, then it's crystal clear
> >>that the arrogance has been coming from those most vociferously critical
> >>of the decision to remove lilo.  You can have your objections to it, but
> >>I find it quite disturbing that ANYONE could support calling the
> >>developers "morons" and "tards" as somehow justified, despite attempts
> >>by those doing the insulting to engage in not-so-clever sophistry in the
> >>service of that false justification.
> >>    
> >>
> >
> >I have only been following this thread sporadically,
> >and wasn't aware that anyone had used those terms.
> >I would certainly dissociate myself completely from any talk like that. 
> >
> >I've actually found the developers I have communicated with
> >very willing to help - but of course I did not start by calling them morons!
> >
> >I was probably wrong to use the word "arrogant" -
> >but I was dissapointed that there seemed to be no response
> >from the developers to the fairly numerous calls for LILO to be available
> >as a choice when installing Fedora.
> >I assume it is still a choice when compiling and installing a kernel -
> >I mean LILO will be updated if one is using that.
> >
> >  
> >
> >>>Incidentally, the interactive option in grub, which you praise,
> >>>could be greatly improved;
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>  Possibly, but keep in mind that this has to fit in a pretty small
> >>amount of memory, if I'm not mistaken.  There's only so much that can be
> >>added due to space constraints.  At least grub HAS a command line.
> >>    
> >>
> >
> >As I said, I use grub all the time, and have been saved more than once
> >by the grub command line option.
> >(In my experience grub is likely to get confused
> >if one has IDE and SCSI disks.)
> >
> >I guess the real weakness of grub is its lack of good documentatiion -
> >LILO certainly wins hands down on that score.
> >
> >  
> >
> What I can't undestand if someone wants lilo why not download and 
> install it and quit complaining.
One minor reason : If all support for LILO is removed, then 
whenever a new kernel comes out, the LILO config file and MBR 
will have to be manually updated.