KDE update - no testing period?

[John Summerfied]

D Canfield wrote:
> John Summerfied wrote:
> 
>> The joys of a rolling beta:-)
>>
>> If you don't like the way Fedora works, try RHEL or its clones such as 
>> Centos, WBEL, or if you still want the latest technology try 
>> Ubuntu/Kubuntu with releases each October and April with the latest, 
>> and has few if any feature changes within the support life.
>>
>> Read the docs closely, like FC they're not for everyone.
>>
> 
> This has got to be my single biggest pet peeve about Fedora right now.  
> Whenever discussion of why a procedure or policy is the way it is, we 
> get one of two conflicting answers.  Either, it's because things have to 
> be as easy as possible for Grandma to be able to sit down and start 
> using Fedora, *or* Fedora is a fast-moving collection of bleeding edge 
> software, so it might break... and if you can't deal with that, go use 
> Ubuntu.
or something...

> 
> While I suppose the case could be made that those two goals don't 
> absolutely have to conflict, it does seem rather pointless to try to 
> serve both masters.  If Fedora releases are never "stable" and always 
> carry a warning label, why bother designing them to be accessible to the 
> common end user?  A lot of times it really feels like nobody knows who 
> is supposed to be using this distribution.

Fedora is a test platform for new software technologies, including, one 
presumes, usbility and accessibility.

A problem with new technolgies is that they sometimes don't work, and 
that's where Fedora comes in: it gets a lot of guinea pigs together to 
test those new technolgies.

On the various servers I run and which _must_ work, I run WBEL (RHEL 
clone), Debian (Woody & Sarge). On my Toshiba Satellite I run FC3, 
because It did run when I installed it and fulfilled my requirements). 
My Acer Aspire would be running FC5test?? had it worked; instead it's 
got SUSE 10.0. At work I run FC3 (mostly) and Ubuntu (sometimes) and my 
wife has Ubuntu where her wireless Just Works.

I figure that if one of the desktops breaks, it affects one user: a 
broken server hurts lots.


> 
> I use FC on my desktop/laptop because I believe it has made me better at 
> administering my RHEL-based servers, and because of the broad support by 
> 3rd party packagers (I can't use RHEL on my desktop... it's just too far 
> behind to be feasible most of the time).  I nearly took everyone's 
> advice and switched to Ubuntu a few months ago because things just 
> generally seemed to work better there, even in development.  However, I 
> quickly realized just how far I'd be drifting from RHEL if I stayed 
> there, so instead I decided to come back to FC for a while and see if I 
> could help improve the distro that I've grown so accustomed to over the 
> years.  Unfortunately, as I've been on the devel list, there really 
> seems to be a lack of focus or direction in the project, and even the 
> Red hat guys seem to contradict each other half the time.
> So, for now it just seems to be a lot of people working on whatever 
> projects they "own" until the buzzer sounds for a test release.  Then 
> after a few releases, things are finally declared stable and a release 
> is made.  After which, everything continues to be updated with no 
> apparent limits other than "try not to break too much stuff at once."
> 
> My goal is not to bash the project here.  I'm just saying that I for one 
> am totally lost as to what direction the project is headed in, and based 
> on the amount of back and forth conversation on this list, it seems a 
> lot of people are in the same boat.  Is there some vast repository of 
> design goal and policy documents that I'm missing somewhere?

I reiterate, the Fedora Project is for testing and evaluating new 
technologies. If you can't deal with that, then it's not for you. If you 
insist on using Fedora Project but want to reduce the hazards, keep on 
the release prior to the latest: advance to FC4 when FC5 is out.






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John

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