Crippling Gnome-power-manager, Why!

[Dave Jones]

On Wed, Feb 15, 2006 at 08:46:52PM -0800, Jesse Keating wrote:
 > On Wed, 2006-02-15 at 23:38 -0500, Jim Cornette wrote:
 > > 
 > > Susend now shows on the menu but shutdown now is missing after killing X 
 > > with ctl-alt-backspace.
 > > 
 > > lockscreen
 > > logout jim
 > > Suspend
 > > (no shutdown displayed)
 > > 
 > > There is some progress. Maybe things will be as designed after the 
 > > relabel and reboot. 
 > 
 > This is by design at this point.  Upstream(?) feels that shutdown
 > shouldn't be an option, just suspend.  Personally I think that's a load
 > of crap, but that's just my personal opinion.  I have to use shut down a
 > lot w/ my laptop since hibernate isn't working and my laptop will eat
 > the battery in very short time if I leave it suspended and unplugged.

Upstream taking funny mushrooms: Film at 11.

We're a way off from suspend working universally, and even if we were
in good shape there, there are many valid reasons to shutdown.

- Upgrading to a new kernel is now one extra step (log out, and then shutdown)
  (And users expecting it to resume back into their desktop
   [why wouldn't they? They selected suspend] will be in for a shock,
   you can't suspend one kernel, and resume into another version).

- Adding/Removing hardware will make very strange things happen when you resume.
  (imagine the case where you upgrade a video card to one that needs a different
   driver -- before, we would fail to start X, and run system-config-display.
   On the resume path, we just try to jump back into the X driver for hardware
   we no longer have, which is guaranteed to cause fireworks)

- Like a responsible end-user, you apply your updates, which update a bunch
  of system daemons.  With the suspend/resume scenario, you now have to restart
  all those by hand, as the boot process will resume us to a state where we're
  running the older versions.

- You install a bunch of Xorg updates.
  Again, we'll resume back into the old X, instead of the new one.
  Users will have to ctrl-alt-backspace to run the new one.

Seriously, this idea is crack, and bad crack at that.

		Dave