no floppy dir in /media ? bug ????

Larry tb guess.who at
Mon Mar 13 07:55:05 UTC 2006

David Timms wrote:
> Jeff Spaleta wrote:
>> On 3/12/06, David Timms <dtimms at> wrote:
>>> Since floppy disk insertion aren't usually detectable, I guess you need
>>> to use a tool like Michal suggested to mount it. But I don't have a
>>> floppy drive on the couple of PC's that I have ;)
>> Perhaps its best not to comment if you don't have the hardware
>> configuration to do a functionality comparison.. to avoid
>> misrepresenting reality and avoid unnecessary confusion as to how
>> things currently work.
> Well, I guess I told a mistruth (you caught me out on that one). I do 
> have a floppy disk drive (finding a floppy disk to test with it that 
> doesn't have a heap of CRC errors is the hard bit)!
>> For my system with a floppy when running Gnome, the floppy drive shows
>> up in my Computer window and I can mount it via normal gnome
>> filemanager or panel interactions.  From a gnome desktop pov this is
>> absolutely no different from fc4 experience when using gnome desktop
>> functionality.
> Perhaps Larry was not previously running / comparing the situation to 
> fc4, but to an older or other distribution ?

Yes i were comparing the situation to fc4.

>>  It doesn't matter that floppy media insertion can't be
>> detected... 
> I would still state that it is the exact reason why there is no 
> /media/floppy directory created / showing by default. The question from 
> Larry that I was trying to answer was:
>  >> There is no /media/floppy.
>  >> How come this ?
Yep, now i understand. But still have a question about mounting floppy 
from shell or text mode, as i wrote in the very previous mail.
>> gnome's file manager and gnome's disk mounter applet "see"
>> the floppy drive because hal "sees" the floppy drive.  When using the
>> gnome desktop, whether the fstab entry or the mountpoint exists
>> doesn't matter.. gnome is using the information provided by hal to
>> tell the desktop user that the devices exist.
> Which I agree all works quite nicely, until you need to do scripted 
> tasks at the commandline.
>> What is different, for all devices not just the floppy, is interaction
>> with mounting at the cmdline.  I think its pretty clear from past
>> discussion on the list, when this changed was introduced.. that people
>> who have grown use to the previous behavior of hal and fstab-sync to
>> aid in cmdline mounting are going to be confused by the change.
> We could help allay any confusion and turn it into knowledge if a worked 
> over response / instructions made it to release notes or fedora wiki ?
> <> 
> Having only been an oh-six newcomer to the test list, I welcome info to 
> correct what I have learned so far in this thread: if we previously did:
> # mount /dev/fd0
> # cp /home/me/really-important-file /media/floppy
> # umount /dev/fd0
> is the suggested method now:
> # gnome-mount -d /dev/fd0
> # cp /home/me/really-important-file /media/floppy
> # gnome-umount -d /dev/fd0 ?
> gnome-mount is installed from gnome-mount-...rpm, and has a quite a few 
> dependencies like gnome-vfs2 which needs libgnome, libbonobo and so 
> forth. But it is installable / usable even if you aren't using the gnome 
> desktop (for example one of my machines has only twm, and gnome-mount is 
> already installed and working).
> If you wanted the (u)mount stuff on a minimal router/firewall install of 
> fedora where you are not willing to install gnome-mount (~80k and its 
> 18MB of requires), then the solution could be:
> - create the folder manually (or in the script)
> - add an entry to fstab (just to save on typing) (or give the full 
> command in your script - then the script would be portable to another 
> machine)
> - rest as previously performed / scripted
> ?
>  > Let's
>> make sure we don't add additional confusion by giving them factually
>> deficient information when they ask for an explanation.
>  > On 3/12/06, Michal Jaegermann <michal at> wrote:
>  >> Could you point which part was factually deficient?
>  >
>  > in your comments... nothing.
>  >
>  > In david thimms comments the discussion of the fact that the floppy
>  > media insertion is not detectable by the "authomounter" is inmaterial
>  > to the problem.
> The problem query was:
>  >> There is no /media/floppy.
>  >> How come this ?
> DaveT.

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