new development firefox wont install

[Jim Cornette]

Michal Jaegermann wrote:

> You mean as "the real thing" or as "provides"?  semonkey packages
> from RHEL provide a non-existent "mozilla = 37:1.8", just to make
> sure that updates will happen, and I followed exactly the same model
> when doing my own packages for FC5.

I take it that the fake mozilla package will "upgrade" the existing 
stale mozilla from FC5. In order to "upgrade" the package, the stale 
mozilla will be removed. I hope I understand the concept the fake 
provides will accomplish. And from then on, mozilla will no longer be 
installed.

I was wondering how having the outdated mozilla from FC5 will influence 
systems that did not yet install seamonkey. Would systems being upgrade 
pull in seamonkey by detecting this fake provides? It does not seem that 
this would happen. My logic is probably wrong in understanding the 
rationale behind the fake package.

Regarding the development version of seamonkey, it does not obsolete 
mozilla. I temporarily enabled the fedora-extras repository and upgraded 
  seamonkey. One package was upgraded, nothing removed (except the older 
version of seamonkey from FC5.
> 
>> How are current FC5 to FC6Test versions handling the mozilla orphaning? 
> 
> Apparently "by neglect". :-)  There in now no mozilla in FC6Test so
> supposedly there is no problem; only some trip on it.

Firefox seems to be one program that tripped.
> 
>> Are the upgrade attempts removing mozilla, disregarding the possible 
>> conflicts mozilla being stale could cause, or are they removing mozilla 
>> from upgraded systems?
> 
> A distribution upgrade installs disregarding possible conflicts so
> this is not an issue.  You may need to remove later some leftover
> packages.

As with the Firefox install problem, I assume that all current packages 
in development do not depend upon mozilla any longer. It is probably 
safe to assume that mozilla will not erase a slew of packages like FC5 
would. It is probably good enough to add this fact to the release notes.

Something like:
Mozilla is no longer provided within any Fedora depositories for FC6. If 
you do not use the suite, simply run yum remove "mozilla*"
If you use the suite, run yum install seamonkey after runnig the above 
command to remove mozilla. Your mozilla profile will still be available 
and used by Seamonkey . Your bookmarks and mail settings will still be 
available.

> 
>> FC5 is of course alright, nothing 
>> conflicts with mozilla as of today. :-)
> 
> With this exception that there are security issues with mozilla
> and you cannot remove it from FC5, leaving only an updated firefox
> for a browser, without removing other packages as well - like
> 'yelp', for example.

  Since Mozilla is not maintained in FC5, at least eclipse, devhelp, 
yelp and company should be revised to not need Mozilla. Or the Mozilla 
suite should be updated to take care of the security issues.

Jim

> 
>    Michal
> 


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