F7-T4 Install Woes (LVM, RAID, grub)

[Brian Hanks]

  >Seriously, we're not ignoring them - I personally have spent a *lot* of
> time trying to reproduce these problems. But either I lack the needed
> hardware (e.g. Sil 3112 RAID) or I don't have enough information about
> the drive/partition layout, and I can't trigger the problems.

Many thanks to those that work to produce these releases.  My  
intention wasn't to imply that there isn't a lot of time spent today.

> It's frustrating for us too - we really *want* to fix this stuff, we
> spend hours trying to reproduce it, but in the end we lack some key
> piece of info or hardware to make it happen.
>
> Where are your bug reports? Give us some BZ numbers, and we'll do the
> best we can to get them on the blocker list and get 'em fixed for F7.
> But we can't fix your problems without a lot of help from you - after
> all, we don't have your hardware and we don't have your disk layout.

I will file a bug report this evening that will include the exact  
hardware, disk layouts, and LVM configuration.  The easy way to  
reproduce would be to install FC6 Re-Spin on the system per the config  
that I'll post.  Then, do an install of F7-T4 over the top of the  
existing install reformatting everything with the exception of the  
non-OS data partitions.

> Are you suggesting I spend an *insignificant* amount of time doing
> regression testing? We do the best we can, and with a 6-month release
> cycle the next one's always just around the corner. It's a monstrous
> task and it couldn't happen without your active participation.
>
> So thanks for continuing to help, despite your frustration. Please keep
> testing and try to be patient. The more we all work together the faster
> these things will get done.

Again, I wasn't trying to start a flame war.  I was just trying to  
express my frustration.  It seems that there are certain test cases  
(e.g. RAID/LVM) that don't get as much attention as others.  This  
might not be true, it might only be perception.  I know that you and  
many others spend a lot of time on all types of testing, and I  
understand that the timelines of the Fedora release schedule are very  
challenging.   

That said, I'll try to get to my main point.  I, for one, wouldn't  
mind relaxing the schedule a bit in the name of a better quality  
product.

Thanks again to all that help make these releases a reality!!  It's  
something that doesn't get said enough in these mailing lists.

-- Brian
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  >Seriously, we're not ignoring them - I personally have spent a  
*LOT* of>time trying to reproduce these problems. But either I lack  
the needed>hardware (e.g. Sil 3112 RAID) or I don't have enough  
information about>the drive/partition layout, and I can't trigger the  
problems.>  The truly frustrating part to >me is that features that  
were working

   Many thanks to those that work to produce these releases.  My  
intention wasn't to imply that there isn't a lot of time spent today.

> It's frustrating for us too - we really *WANT* to fix this stuff, we
> spend hours trying to reproduce it, but in the end we lack some key
> piece of info or hardware to make it happen.

> Where are your bug reports? Give us some BZ numbers, and we'll do the
> best we can to get them on the blocker list and get 'em fixed for F7.
> But we can't fix your problems without a lot of help from you - after
> all, we don't have your hardware and we don't have your disk  
> layout.> Progress isn't >progress unless all of the pre-existing  
> features still

   > work.  I face this every day in my work, and we spend a significant
> amount of time regression testing to ensure that our releases don't
> impact the customer.

Are you suggesting I spend an *INSIGNIFICANT* amount of time doing
regression testing? We do the best we can, and with a 6-month release
cycle the next one's always just around the corner. It's a monstrous
task and it couldn't happen without your active participation.

So thanks for continuing to help, despite your frustration. Please keep
testing and try to be patient. The more we all work together the faster
these things will get done.

-w
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