Installing Rawhide

[Peter Jones]

On 12/01/2009 12:11 PM, John Poelstra wrote:
> Scott Robbins said the following on 12/01/2009 08:30 AM Pacific Time:
>>> Jesse Keating said the following on 11/29/2009 10:52 PM Pacific Time:
>>
>>
>>>> From now on, Rawhide will not have install images.  Rawhide is a never
>>>> stopping never freezing repository of packages.  To get to rawhide
>>>> you'll need to start with say F12 and either point to the rawhide repo
>>>> during install, or yum update to it post install.
>>
>> The wiki should be updated. 
>> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/Rawhide
>>
>> Someone has kindly already posted Jesse's announcement on the forums,
>> but, no doubt, we'll still be getting questions from people asking where
>> is the rawhide boot.iso.  :)
>>
>>
> 
> I guess that is part of the question I was trying to ask in my previous
> post... where did we clearly tell people the install images were being
> taken away?  I was surprised myself.

Oh come on, you were even talking during the discussion.

>From #fedora-meeting:
Nov 09 13:43:08 --- zodbot_ has changed the topic to: Fedora 13 (Meeting topic: Fedora Release Engineering)
Nov 09 13:43:14 <Oxf13> notting: you had a question?
Nov 09 13:43:33 <notting> sure. with respect to no frozen rawhide, should we turn off images for rawhide when we do the -> f13 switch?
Nov 09 13:43:43 <Oxf13> notting: that's a great question
Nov 09 13:44:55 <Oxf13> on one hand I think we should, as it gets us closer to NFR
Nov 09 13:45:04 <Oxf13> on the other hand, I really wonder if we made the best choice there, not making install images
Nov 09 13:45:29 <Oxf13> but *shrug* the time for that discussion as before, and in the future, so sure, lets turn off images
Nov 09 13:45:50 <Oxf13> I do have one request from anaconda storage team to get a installable tree of F13 content up somewhere, so I can still do that
Nov 09 13:46:05 <dgilmore> Oxf13: are we going to work on making nfr happen at fudcon?
Nov 09 13:46:09 <notting> Oxf13: ok. that's going to require coordination when we do the switch, as the only way to do that right now is to edit the script
Nov 09 13:46:15 <Oxf13> #proposal Disable image creation in F13 rawhide, as part of No Frozen Rawhide
Nov 09 13:46:28 <Oxf13> dgilmore: before and at fudcon yes
Nov 09 13:46:35 <dgilmore> Oxf13: :) awesome
Nov 09 13:46:42 <Oxf13> dgilmore: I'd like to have some planning sessions before fudcon so that we spend more of fudcon doing instead of planning
Nov 09 13:46:58 <dgilmore> Oxf13: that sounds sane
Nov 09 13:47:09 <notting> Oxf13: above and beyond the next 3 releng meetings?
Nov 09 13:47:54 <notting> (i just mean that we can co-opt them for planning if we want)
Nov 09 13:47:57 <Oxf13> notting: maybe.  I still can't really see over the F12 wall, so I'm not good at this right now
Nov 09 13:48:11 <Oxf13> yeah, we'll at least use the releng meetings, but I might call some IRC hackfest sessions
Nov 09 13:48:35 <dgilmore> Oxf13: so do we essentially see it as enabling F-13 in bodhi. and pushing out a F-13 tree as well as the rawhide tree?
Nov 09 13:48:57 <dgilmore> the f-13 tree having images etc
Nov 09 13:49:02 <Oxf13> dgilmore: once we've branched F-13 yes
Nov 09 13:49:08 <Oxf13> that branching won't happen until Alpha timeframe
Nov 09 13:49:20 <Oxf13> once we branch F-13 for alpha, rawhide moves on to F14
Nov 09 13:49:45 <poelcat> Oxf13: i'll volunteer to help set up planning sessions for FUDCon if you like
Nov 09 13:50:09 <Oxf13> poelcat: ok, we can talk.  I really want to get F12 out the door though and breath for a day or so
Nov 09 13:50:18 <dgilmore> Oxf13: ok. i guess i missed something. since i thought there would be a bodhi controlled f13 stream as soon as we switch nfr on
Nov 09 13:50:20 <poelcat> Oxf13: ok, let me know
Nov 09 13:50:27 <dgilmore> ill go back and reread the proposal
Nov 09 13:50:30 <Oxf13> dgilmore: no, that only happens once we branch
Nov 09 13:50:52 <Oxf13> does anybody disagree with enacting the no images in rawhide part of NFR for F13 rawhide?
Nov 09 13:51:18 <dgilmore> Oxf13: i dont, because anyone wanting an image can make there own
Nov 09 13:51:49 <warren> what kind of images?
Nov 09 13:51:54 <Oxf13> install.img
Nov 09 13:51:56 <dgilmore> warren: all images
Nov 09 13:51:59 <warren> oh
Nov 09 13:52:03 <Oxf13> rawhide == just a repo of packages
Nov 09 13:53:35 <pjones> by "no images", he means "don't run pungi on it"
Nov 09 13:53:48 <Oxf13> yep
Nov 09 13:53:57 <Oxf13> hi pjones (:
Nov 09 13:54:01 <pjones> hello.
Nov 09 13:54:04 <Oxf13> pjones: your still on board with this idea right?
Nov 09 13:54:24 <pjones> I don't see a big issue with it; running pungi is easy enough once you drive some policy rules about how to do it into your head.
Nov 09 13:54:42 <pjones> (always remove the whole pungi directory ahead of time, etc.)
Nov 09 13:55:03 <Oxf13> pjones: wonder if I could make that better by automatically blowing away things unless you pass --no-clean
Nov 09 13:55:17 <dgilmore> Oxf13: likely
Nov 09 13:55:47 <Oxf13> #agreed F-13 rawhide will be just a repo of packages, as per no frozen rawhide

> Since we are changing the way we've been doing things for 12 releases
> have we considered getting the word out through some news article and
> blogs?

Yeah, that's a fair point.

-- 
        Peter

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