2009-07-01 - Fedora QA meeting agenda [Reporting Virtualization bugs]

["Jóhann B. Guðmundsson"]

On 07/01/2009 02:31 PM, James Laska wrote:
> On Wed, 2009-07-01 at 14:55 +0100, Mark McLoughlin wrote:
>    
>> On Wed, 2009-07-01 at 09:18 -0400, James Laska wrote:
>>      
>>>          5. Improve Bug Reporting proposal
>>>
>>> (https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Johannbg/QA/Improve_reporting) -
>>> update from viking_ice
>>>        
>> Just quoting some snippets from the "Lack of needed information"
>> section:
>>
>>    "the triager has no better clue what to include in the report"
>>
>>    "The problem is that the maintainer(s) them self have failed to
>>     provide this information"
>>
>>    "Contact FESCO and ask them to set this rule and enforce it."
>>
>>    "New components will not be let into Fedora without this information"
>>
>>    "To handle the existing components in Fedora I propose that we file a
>>     report ... If they do not respond ... the component in question will
>>     enter the removal phase"
>>
>> I don't think having FESCo approve and enforce rules for every aspect of
>> package maintenance is a healthy or scalable way for us to encourage
>> maintainers to do a better job.
>>
>> Suggesting that a package should be removed from Fedora because the
>> package maintainer hasn't filled out some details in a wiki for bug
>> reporters is fairly absurd.
>>
>> A better way to approach this would be for triagers to start a wiki page
>> for the component with the kind of questions the maintainer typically
>> requests, show the maintainer how useful that page is in getting good
>> bug reports and encourage the maintainer to help improve the wiki page
>> further.
>>
>> Please try to aim for more positive and collaborative solutions.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Mark.
>>
>> (On a related note, I haven't had much feedback on:
>>
>>    https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Reporting_virtualization_bugs
>>
>>   suggestions on how to improve it are most welcome)
>>      
> All good points Mark.  That was a positive outcome from this discussion
> in last weeks meeting
> (https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/2009-June/msg00683.html).  What has started to mature is a entry point to assist testers in filing quality bug reports: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Category:Debugging.
>
> As the QA team makes these pages part of our daily workflow and
> communication during the Fedora 12 campaign, I expect to see more
> feedback come as folks walk through the steps outlined.  In other
> interesting news that Adam might have more information on next week.  It
> seems like there may be some efforts starting to coordinate these pages
> with other distributions into a single upstream repository.
>    
Let's hope that single repository is hosted with us some distro's are 
not as sharing on their contents as others..

JBG
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