2009-07-15 - Fedora QA meeting recap

[James Laska]

Full IRC transcript available at
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/Meetings/20090715

= Attendees =

* Adam Miller (maxamillion)
* Adam Williamson (adamw)
* David Pravec (dpravec)
* Edward Kirk (tk009)
* Kamil Paral (kparal)
* Kevin Fenzi (nirik)
* James Laska (jlaska)
* Jesse Keating (f13)
* Jóhann Guðmundsson (viking-ice)
* John Poelstra (poelcat)
* Will Woods (wwoods)

= Agenda =

[https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/2009-July/msg00269.html Proposed meeting agenda]

== Previous meeting follow-up ==

* [jlaska] - update fedora-qa privs so that viking_ice is on the default
bcc
** Updated fedora-qa trac instance ... viking_ice is now in the default
bcc list.

* [jlaska] - file a bunch of tickets to track wiki RFC's (requests for
content) for debugging pages ... email list seeking volunteers after
** http://tinyurl.com/n6n24f

* [jlaska] - update [[QA/Goals]] wiki document
** Spent some time on that this morning, but need to keep thinking about
a good way to represent and allow for collaborative growth.  I'm not
ready to toss it out for review yet, but see transcript for link.

== In the news ==

=== Fedora 12 Test Day schedule ===

A group of us gathered in fedora talk this week to hash out some ideas
around QA milestones on the F12 schedule.  A summary of the discussion
was sent to
[https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/2009-July/msg00241.html fedora-test-list] by poelstra.

=== Alpha Blocker Bug Day #1 ===

Poelcat sent out a
[https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/2009-July/msg00239.html reminder] about the first Alpha bug review meeting

 What: F12Alpha Blocker bug meeting
(https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=f12alpha)
 When: Friday, 2009-07-17 @ 17:00 UTC (1 PM EDT)
 Where: #fedora-bugzappers

* Adamw suggested looking at all F12blocker bugs and see if any are
appropriate to block f12alpha too 
* Jlaska directed folks to the
[https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/2009-July/msg00259.html discussion] around how to handle older F11Target bugs.
* Poelcat updated the team on a draft SOP used to outline Blocker Bug
meetings: [[User:Poelstra/blocker_bug_meeting_sop]]
* Jlaska asked ... ''what type of issues constitute an Alpha blocker?''
** Adamw suggested using ''critical severity bugs in in critical path
packages'' as release criteria
*** Mcepl indicated this approach might be '''too''' much ... which
resulted in an update to the bug severity definition around 
  [...] bugs in a single specific piece of hardware are not 'critical',
only 'high' [...]

Maxamillion asked where the criteria for severity are established?
* Wwoods provided current [[QA/ReleaseCriteria]]

Maxamillion asked where the bug severity definitions are?
** Adamw linked to -
[[BugZappers/How_to_Triage#Checklist_for_NEW_Bug_Triage]] (section #9)
** Adamw linked to - [[BugZappers/BugStatusWorkFlow]] detailed policy

=== Fedora 12 Test Day schedule ===

Schedule: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/Fedora_12_test_days
Test Day candidates: [[Releases/12/FeatureList]]

Current list of wishlist events includes:
* Revisit of X drivers (e.g. nouveau)
* Anaconda F12 features
** Storage cleanup
<ref>https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Anaconda/Features/StorageFiltering</ref>
** RAID
<ref>https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Anaconda/Features/MDRaid</ref>
** Partition UI cleanup
<ref>https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Anaconda/Features/UICleanup</ref>
* Upcoming NetworkManager changes
** IPV6
<ref>https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/NetworkManagerIPv6</ref>
** System-wide connections
<ref>https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/NetworkManagerSystemConnections</ref>
** Mobile broadband updates
<ref>https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/MoreNetworkManagerMobileBroadband</ref>
* Audio test day

<references/>

Others already scheduled include:
* Virtualization
* Dracut <ref> Many thanks to viking_ice for his contributions the
dracut test day, included [[Dracut/Debugging]] and
[[Dracut//Testing]].</ref>

<references/>

== AutoQA - update from wwoods ==

https://fedorahosted.org/autoqa

Completed all definition of all [[QA:Rawhide_Acceptance_Test_Plan]] test
cases.  

Two new test cases required some critical path work to be done first.
* [[QA:Core_package_dependency_closure_test_case]]
* [[QA:Core_package_existence_test_case]]

Two new additional basic functionality test cases:
* [[QA:Network_basic_test_case]]
* [[QA:Yum_simple_update_test_case]]

Plan for this week is to read up on autotest and begin automating test
cases.

More info about the tasks / progress can be found here:
https://fedorahosted.org/autoqa/milestone/israwhidebroken.com

== Meeting time? ==

Dpravec cannot make the current meeting time and has requested
considering a new day or time.  Tk009 and Adamw suggested creating a
meeting matrix page to coodinate times similar to that used in
[[Bugzappers_meeting_matrix]].  Jlaska took this action item.

== Open discussion ==

=== Updated F12 Schedule ===

f13 reminded the group about updates to the F12 schedule.  This
discussion was moved into the "news" portion of the agenda (see ).

=== Of test spins and trademarks ===

Viking_ice made the group aware of a discussion on
[https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-advisory-board/2009-July/msg00015.html fedora-advisory-board] around trademark concerns

=== RHEL participants in Test Days? ===

Kparal asked how many RHEL people participate in Test Days.

Several people responded which can be summarized by:
''varies hugely by topic...some test days are essentially only _for_
that kind of person, but for something like, oh, nouveau test day,
probably none.''

= Upcoming QA events =

* 2009-07-17 -
[https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/2009-July/msg00239.html Alpha Blocker Bug Meeting]
* 2009-07-21 - [[BugZappers/Triage_days]]
* 2009-07-22 - 16:00 UTC - Next QA Meeting [[QA/Meetings/20090722]]

= Action items =

# [jlaska] - Notify team list (fedora-test-list) to solicit volunteers
for help with Debugging pages (see http://tinyurl.com/n6n24f)
# [jlaska] - Create a QA:Meeting matrix similar to
[[Bugzappers_meeting_matrix]] to determine best fit for meeting slots

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