Un-asked-for-language support

Ralf Corsepius rc040203 at freenet.de
Thu Nov 26 00:13:04 UTC 2009

On 11/25/2009 06:11 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> On 11/25/2009 10:37 PM, Ralf Corsepius wrote:
>> Why not asking the user/installer for it?
> With a English only default, yes?

Why not? This is what you currently are doing.

> I prefer comprehensive locale support
> of the box and since the default download in Fedora is a Live image,
Pardon? The default for me is the DVD, the live image is negliable.

> you
> don't get to choose packages during installation.
Design flaw - More accurately: Users should not have to take care about 
any packaging details for "languages support".

Anaconda should ask about which languages the user want to use/install - 
The rest must be accomplished by "magic".

> Again, people who care
> or want that level of control should be using kickstart instead IMO.
Pardon? The people who care about this level is the "computer illiterate 

>> Right, but this isn't an excuse for a bloated default package install set.
> Bloat is a matter of perspective. What you consider bloat, I consider a
> useful feature.

How many languages do you speek? Normal people speak very few languages 
and are able to read very few scripts. Anything they can't read is bloat 
to them.

=> Only very few people actually need the plethora of "languages", 
"scripts" and "fonts" Fedora installs rsp. comes with.

=> It should be an installers duty to take care of this.

> Apparently people who feel strongly otherwise haven't
> bothered to file a RFE on this and convince rel-eng of their case.

Well, I occasionally did so and have learnt my lesson:

The nature of this issue is beyond the scope of what individual 
maintainers, upstreams and a distro's release engineers can handle.
Each of them prefers to shift around responsibilities or try to play 
down the issues.

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