From i.scheme.a.lot at gmail.com Sat Dec 2 00:29:33 2006 From: i.scheme.a.lot at gmail.com (Jeremy Sieczko) Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2006 11:29:33 +1100 Subject: Fedora Website In-Reply-To: <1238ea110612011617h72bf084atec5569eda260c7ba@mail.gmail.com> References: <1238ea110612011617h72bf084atec5569eda260c7ba@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1238ea110612011629u4e7498d7ubc48de3a6f4e78c3@mail.gmail.com> Dear Fedora webmasters, I have noticed that the fedora community website is not to "user friendly" to non-developer users, especially for window users (which i am). I found it very hard trying to understand what benefits fedora has for me over Ms windows rather than it being free. So I have take the time to redesign the http://fedora.redhat.com/ website. I have taken into account non-linux users and provided dedicated pages for them explaining everything they need to know in one spot. I have also done my best to make the site look more professional and have taken an approach that better "sells" fedora to potential users. I am attaching a screenshot of my design...please let me know what you think. If you like the design I will be more than happy to develop it further and/or modify it in any way necessary. I really hope you like my design! And if you could, could you please send me the email to the fedora website webmaster<< -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: fedorapreview2.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 300260 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: fedorapreview.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 301420 bytes Desc: not available URL: From nman64 at n-man.com Sun Dec 3 09:15:43 2006 From: nman64 at n-man.com (Patrick W. Barnes) Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2006 03:15:43 -0600 Subject: Fedora Website In-Reply-To: <1238ea110612011629u4e7498d7ubc48de3a6f4e78c3@mail.gmail.com> References: <1238ea110612011617h72bf084atec5569eda260c7ba@mail.gmail.com> <1238ea110612011629u4e7498d7ubc48de3a6f4e78c3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200612030315.48138.nman64@n-man.com> On Friday 01 December 2006 18:29, Jeremy Sieczko wrote: > > I have noticed that the fedora community website is not to "user friendly" > to non-developer users, especially for window users (which i am). I found > it very hard trying to understand what benefits fedora has for me over Ms > windows rather than it being free. We don't specifically target Windows users. We don't see it as a direct competition. The users we pick up have usually already heard of Linux and are aware of at least some of the ways that Linux might benefit them. In case they aren't aware of what Linux is, our overviews and pages which attempt to answer common questions should be able to give them a basic understanding. If they like what they see, they can consider trying it and comparing it to their Windows experience. You'll be missing much of that information if you're only reviewing fedora.redhat.com... > So I have take the time to redesign > the http://fedora.redhat.com/ > website. fedora.redhat.com is no longer our official site. It has been succeeded by http://fedoraproject.org/ and will continue to be phased out. > I have taken into account non-linux users and provided dedicated > pages for them explaining everything they need to know in one spot. I have > also done my best to make the site look more professional and have taken an > approach that better "sells" fedora to potential users. Fedora is not a packaged product that we are attempting to push to users. It is a project that is made readily available to anyone who is interested in trying it. If you want to see a packaged product which specifically attempts to compete with other platforms, look at Red Hat Enterprise Linux. The difference in how we handle growing our user-base is important to us. fedoraproject.org already provides a lot of good information, information which is constantly expanding and improving. Of course, we can always use help in improving upon that information. If that's something you'd be interested in, you might want to check out the Fedora Documentation Project: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject Some of the documents that are in the works cover getting started with Fedora, which will effectively highlight advantages of Fedora over some other platforms. Drawing attention to these and to the Fedora Project's assorted overviews and FAQs is also something that the Documentation Project works on. > > I am attaching a screenshot of my design...please let me know what you > think. If you like the design I will be more than happy to develop it > further and/or modify it in any way necessary. I really hope you like my > design! The design does look nice, but, as we are phasing out fedora.redhat.com, it wouldn't really fit elsewhere in our websites. Perhaps you'd be interested in working with our design team after we finally get our upcoming Plone site up and running. Watch this list for more details on that. > And if you could, could you please send me the email to the fedora > website webmaster<< From kwade at redhat.com Mon Dec 4 15:10:54 2006 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten Wade) Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2006 07:10:54 -0800 Subject: Tweaking the design of the wiki In-Reply-To: <200611291229.03669.nman64@n-man.com> References: <456108D5.2080807@glezos.com> <200611220915.13581.nman64@n-man.com> <456CE949.9030109@glezos.com> <200611291229.03669.nman64@n-man.com> Message-ID: <1165245055.2584.587.camel@erato.phig.org> On Wed, 2006-11-29 at 12:28 -0600, Patrick W. Barnes wrote: > That would require patching the MoinMoin core. Changes like that should be > submitted upstream and given a chance to filter down, because we really don't > want to commit to that sort of maintenance. Do we have some folks who want to hack Moin Moin code for Fedora? We have the makings of a good relationship with them, and we can certainly benefit if we get to make cool hacks and get them upstreamed. Another reason I ask is that we need some help in this area for the Documentation Project; I posted a help wanted message at: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/private/fedora-infrastructure-list/2006-November/msg00100.html - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, RHCE, 108 Editor ^ Fedora Documentation Project Sr. Developer Relations Mgr. | fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject quaid.108.redhat.com | gpg key: AD0E0C41 ////////////////////////////////// \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://webtest.fedora.redhat.com/wiki (MoinMoin 1.5.6) Please track all problems under http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/WikiMigration, edit that page as you see fit, so that we can fix any problems that you guys may encounter. Feel free to contact me if necessary. Many thanks, Paulo -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dimitris at glezos.com Mon Dec 4 16:04:51 2006 From: dimitris at glezos.com (Dimitris Glezos) Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2006 16:04:51 +0000 Subject: Tweaking the design of the wiki In-Reply-To: <200611291229.03669.nman64@n-man.com> References: <456108D5.2080807@glezos.com> <200611220915.13581.nman64@n-man.com> <456CE949.9030109@glezos.com> <200611291229.03669.nman64@n-man.com> Message-ID: <45744723.4070002@glezos.com> O/H Patrick W. Barnes ??????: >> When is the update scheduled? If we do need to tweak the code to make the >> wiki more usable, we should. Of course, we should do it in a way that we >> can apply it for every update. > > It is actively being worked on right now. A test site is already up and > running, and it won't take long for the team that's handling it to work out > the last few problems. Patrick, since most of the CSS changes were positively commented, wouldn't it be a good idea to include the custom CSS in the upgrade before announcing it? It would also be great if the team could publish on the list it's progress so that the whole websites-list could participate or give constructive comments. The more open the process, the better, right? :) >> We might need some more changes, like putting a
around the table of >> contents to manipulate it through CSS. >> > > That would require patching the MoinMoin core. Changes like that should be > submitted upstream and given a chance to filter down, because we really don't > want to commit to that sort of maintenance. Keeping things posted upstream is great and very important. But, we are a big project and have many and special requirements; some of them are so special (eg. have a banner on the right-hand menu for the Mentors program) that might require coding that doesn't fit to the upstream. Anyway, this is a very special discussion that doesn't have a black-or-white answer, but only a rule-of-thumb: The more the upstream, the better. :) BTW, the TOC-stylesheet thing appears to be implemented in 1.5/1.6, no? http://moinmoin.wikiwikiweb.de/MoinMoinPatch/AlterTableOfContentsAppearanceWithStyleSheet -d -- Dimitris Glezos Jabber ID: glezos at jabber.org, GPG: 0xA5A04C3B http://dimitris.glezos.com/ "He who gives up functionality for ease of use loses both and deserves neither." (Anonymous) -- From nman64 at n-man.com Mon Dec 4 18:35:16 2006 From: nman64 at n-man.com (Patrick W. Barnes) Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 12:35:16 -0600 Subject: Tweaking the design of the wiki In-Reply-To: <45744723.4070002@glezos.com> References: <456108D5.2080807@glezos.com> <200611291229.03669.nman64@n-man.com> <45744723.4070002@glezos.com> Message-ID: <200612041235.20077.nman64@n-man.com> On Monday 04 December 2006 10:04, Dimitris Glezos wrote: > > since most of the CSS changes were positively commented, wouldn't it be a > good idea to include the custom CSS in the upgrade before announcing it? > > It would also be great if the team could publish on the list it's progress > so that the whole websites-list could participate or give constructive > comments. The more open the process, the better, right? :) > They aren't revising the site in any way. They're only working on the backend software that powers it. Once they've finished the upgrade, we can start working on any style patches. Their work is very straightford and doesn't require any input beyond bug reports. > >> We might need some more changes, like putting a
around the table > >> of contents to manipulate it through CSS. > > > > That would require patching the MoinMoin core. Changes like that should > > be submitted upstream and given a chance to filter down, because we > > really don't want to commit to that sort of maintenance. > > Keeping things posted upstream is great and very important. But, we are a > big project and have many and special requirements; some of them are so > special (eg. have a banner on the right-hand menu for the Mentors program) > that might require coding that doesn't fit to the upstream. A banner on the side is something that would be implemented in the Python code for the theme we're using, whereas changing the way ToC elements are produced would require changes in the MoinMoin core. We're open to theme changes, but we don't want to implement core changes that haven't been implemented upstream. > > Anyway, this is a very special discussion that doesn't have a > black-or-white answer, but only a rule-of-thumb: The more the upstream, the > better. :) Indeed. > > BTW, the TOC-stylesheet thing appears to be implemented in 1.5/1.6, no? > > http://moinmoin.wikiwikiweb.de/MoinMoinPatch/AlterTableOfContentsAppearance >WithStyleSheet > That's my understanding. -- Patrick "The N-Man" Barnes nman64 at n-man.com http://n-man.com/ LinkedIn: http://linkedin.com/in/nman64 Have I been helpful? Rate my assistance! http://rate.affero.net/nman64/ -- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Although we have guidelines at WikiEditing, there are many styles used across the Wiki. What little hacks are different now? Do all pages come out fine or can be easily fixed? One task is finding common usages that are different in this new version, so we can fix them all during actual content migration. thx - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, RHCE, 108 Editor ^ Fedora Documentation Project Sr. Developer Relations Mgr. | fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject quaid.108.redhat.com | gpg key: AD0E0C41 ////////////////////////////////// \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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For example, the other day I was in the #fedora chat room, and someone asked about network installation, so I headed over to fedoraproject.org and did a text search for "network install" the search results worked unclear enough that it didn't seem worth the effort. Peace From jmbabich at gmail.com Tue Dec 5 11:06:07 2006 From: jmbabich at gmail.com (John Babich) Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2006 14:06:07 +0300 Subject: Wiki Migration In-Reply-To: <16de708d0612050024j57c42e11xc6cf1ad01e04320b@mail.gmail.com> References: <7a41c4bc0612040759rde77066h1684a3db915c3694@mail.gmail.com> <1165276581.24009.78.camel@erato.phig.org> <16de708d0612050024j57c42e11xc6cf1ad01e04320b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9d2c731f0612050306u23350ef0te8c5ed6e679cdcfd@mail.gmail.com> Karsten: Three questions: I understand the need to prevent the website outage due to unusual demand when FC6 was released. I support any and all efforts to improve the infrastructure. I also am very much committed to improving the "public face" of the Fedora Project. With that in mind, I am confused with the website migration back to fedora.redhat.com. I thought the direction was to move everything to fedoraproject.org. I also thought that Plone was the preferred platform, at least for static pages. 1. Is the move back to fedora.redhat.com a temporary situation for testing? 2. Are we still going with Plone for static pages and MoinMoin wiki for drafts, etc.? By the way, I'm intrigued by the "Render as Docbook" feature. 3. Is there a way to generate our valid DocBook XML code with this facility? Best Regards, John Babich From paulo.banon at googlemail.com Tue Dec 5 11:33:40 2006 From: paulo.banon at googlemail.com (Paulo Santos) Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2006 11:33:40 +0000 Subject: Wiki Migration In-Reply-To: <7a41c4bc0612050332m79103623n1961d6b107ed2469@mail.gmail.com> References: <7a41c4bc0612040759rde77066h1684a3db915c3694@mail.gmail.com> <1165276581.24009.78.camel@erato.phig.org> <16de708d0612050024j57c42e11xc6cf1ad01e04320b@mail.gmail.com> <9d2c731f0612050306u23350ef0te8c5ed6e679cdcfd@mail.gmail.com> <7a41c4bc0612050332m79103623n1961d6b107ed2469@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7a41c4bc0612050333h64851077nfcb59381c00c7af2@mail.gmail.com> i got the channel name wrong... its #fedora-websites not #fedora-docs (i'm also there though) Paulo On 12/5/06, Paulo Santos wrote: > > Hi John, > > I will reply to number 1. > > 1. Is the move back to fedora.redhat.com a temporary situation for > testing? > Yes. webtest.fedora.redhat.com , was the available domain name, that i > could use to deploy the 'testing' environment. Don't forget that > fedoraproject.org is just an A record pointing to a server in Duke. > Whenever you go to http://webtest.fedora.redhat.com/wiki you are already > going through the architecture to where we will change the > fedoraproject.org domain to. > > So currently you have: > end user > browser > fpserv > > and in a near future: > end user > browser > Load balancer > proxy servers (with squid) > app > (wiki) > > So in conclusion, webtest.fedora.redhat.com is the actual server that will > support the wiki, but with a different domain name. > > Feel free to ask, if you still have any doubts. > I'm currently also in #fedora-docs as paulobanon, so drop me an email or > ask on the channel :) > > > Paulo > > > > On 12/5/06, John Babich wrote: > > > > Karsten: > > > > Three questions: > > > > I understand the need to prevent the website outage due to unusual > > demand when FC6 was released. I support any and all efforts to improve > > the infrastructure. > > > > I also am very much committed to improving the "public face" of the > > Fedora Project. > > > > With that in mind, I am confused with the website migration back to > > fedora.redhat.com. > > > > I thought the direction was to move everything to fedoraproject.org. I > > also thought that Plone was the preferred platform, at least for > > static pages. > > > > 1. Is the move back to fedora.redhat.com a temporary situation for > > testing? > > 2. Are we still going with Plone for static pages and MoinMoin wiki > > for drafts, etc.? > > > > By the way, I'm intrigued by the "Render as Docbook" feature. > > > > 3. Is there a way to generate our valid DocBook XML code with this > > facility? > > > > Best Regards, > > > > John Babich > > > > -- > > Fedora-websites-list mailing list > > Fedora-websites-list at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-websites-list > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From paulo.banon at googlemail.com Tue Dec 5 11:32:18 2006 From: paulo.banon at googlemail.com (Paulo Santos) Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2006 11:32:18 +0000 Subject: Wiki Migration In-Reply-To: <9d2c731f0612050306u23350ef0te8c5ed6e679cdcfd@mail.gmail.com> References: <7a41c4bc0612040759rde77066h1684a3db915c3694@mail.gmail.com> <1165276581.24009.78.camel@erato.phig.org> <16de708d0612050024j57c42e11xc6cf1ad01e04320b@mail.gmail.com> <9d2c731f0612050306u23350ef0te8c5ed6e679cdcfd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7a41c4bc0612050332m79103623n1961d6b107ed2469@mail.gmail.com> Hi John, I will reply to number 1. 1. Is the move back to fedora.redhat.com a temporary situation for testing? Yes. webtest.fedora.redhat.com, was the available domain name, that i could use to deploy the 'testing' environment. Don't forget that fedoraproject.orgis just an A record pointing to a server in Duke. Whenever you go to http://webtest.fedora.redhat.com/wiki you are already going through the architecture to where we will change the fedoraproject.orgdomain to. So currently you have: end user > browser > fpserv and in a near future: end user > browser > Load balancer > proxy servers (with squid) > app (wiki) So in conclusion, webtest.fedora.redhat.com is the actual server that will support the wiki, but with a different domain name. Feel free to ask, if you still have any doubts. I'm currently also in #fedora-docs as paulobanon, so drop me an email or ask on the channel :) Paulo On 12/5/06, John Babich wrote: > > Karsten: > > Three questions: > > I understand the need to prevent the website outage due to unusual > demand when FC6 was released. I support any and all efforts to improve > the infrastructure. > > I also am very much committed to improving the "public face" of the > Fedora Project. > > With that in mind, I am confused with the website migration back to > fedora.redhat.com. > > I thought the direction was to move everything to fedoraproject.org. I > also thought that Plone was the preferred platform, at least for > static pages. > > 1. Is the move back to fedora.redhat.com a temporary situation for > testing? > 2. Are we still going with Plone for static pages and MoinMoin wiki > for drafts, etc.? > > By the way, I'm intrigued by the "Render as Docbook" feature. > > 3. Is there a way to generate our valid DocBook XML code with this > facility? > > Best Regards, > > John Babich > > -- > Fedora-websites-list mailing list > Fedora-websites-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-websites-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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John Babich On 12/5/06, Paulo Santos wrote: > i got the channel name wrong... its #fedora-websites not #fedora-docs (i'm > also there though) > > Paulo > > > On 12/5/06, Paulo Santos < paulo.banon at googlemail.com> wrote: > > Hi John, > > > > I will reply to number 1. > > > > 1. Is the move back to fedora.redhat.com a temporary situation for > testing? > > Yes. webtest.fedora.redhat.com , was the available domain name, that i > could use to deploy the 'testing' environment. Don't forget that > fedoraproject.org is just an A record pointing to a server in Duke. > > Whenever you go to http://webtest.fedora.redhat.com/wiki > you are already going through the architecture to where we will change the > fedoraproject.org domain to. > > > > So currently you have: > > end user > browser > fpserv > > > > and in a near future: > > end user > browser > Load balancer > proxy servers (with squid) > app > (wiki) > > > > So in conclusion, webtest.fedora.redhat.com is the actual server that will > support the wiki, but with a different domain name. > > > > Feel free to ask, if you still have any doubts. > > I'm currently also in #fedora-docs as paulobanon, so drop me an email or > ask on the channel :) > > > > > > Paulo > > > > > > > > > > > > On 12/5/06, John Babich < jmbabich at gmail.com> wrote: > > > Karsten: > > > > > > Three questions: > > > > > > I understand the need to prevent the website outage due to unusual > > > demand when FC6 was released. I support any and all efforts to improve > > > the infrastructure. > > > > > > I also am very much committed to improving the "public face" of the > > > Fedora Project. > > > > > > With that in mind, I am confused with the website migration back to > > > fedora.redhat.com . > > > > > > I thought the direction was to move everything to fedoraproject.org. I > > > also thought that Plone was the preferred platform, at least for > > > static pages. > > > > > > 1. Is the move back to fedora.redhat.com a temporary situation for > testing? > > > 2. Are we still going with Plone for static pages and MoinMoin wiki > > > for drafts, etc.? > > > > > > By the way, I'm intrigued by the "Render as Docbook" feature. > > > > > > 3. Is there a way to generate our valid DocBook XML code with this > facility? > > > > > > Best Regards, > > > > > > John Babich > > > > > > -- > > > Fedora-websites-list mailing list > > > Fedora-websites-list at redhat.com > > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-websites-list > > > > > > > > > > -- > Fedora-websites-list mailing list > Fedora-websites-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-websites-list > > > From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Tue Dec 5 14:43:38 2006 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2006 20:13:38 +0530 Subject: Wiki Migration In-Reply-To: <16de708d0612050024j57c42e11xc6cf1ad01e04320b@mail.gmail.com> References: <7a41c4bc0612040759rde77066h1684a3db915c3694@mail.gmail.com> <1165276581.24009.78.camel@erato.phig.org> <16de708d0612050024j57c42e11xc6cf1ad01e04320b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4575859A.40600@fedoraproject.org> Arthur Pemberton wrote: > Sorry if this is a bit off topic, and please forgive my bluntness, but > the Fedora wiki search sucks - in that it is very much unlike what one > expects from a site search (or web search) is this a symptom of using > a wiki or what? Yes, a wiki search works differently. It is not google. > > For example, the other day I was in the #fedora chat room, and someone > asked about network installation, so I headed over to > fedoraproject.org and did a text search for "network install" the > search results worked unclear enough that it didn't seem worth the > effort. It search the two words independently by default. Anyway the network installation is documented in the installation guide at http://fedora.redhat.com/docs and not the wiki. Rahul Ps: Please start a new thread for different topics. From dimitris at glezos.com Tue Dec 5 14:48:36 2006 From: dimitris at glezos.com (Dimitris Glezos) Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2006 14:48:36 +0000 Subject: Wiki Migration In-Reply-To: <1165276581.24009.78.camel@erato.phig.org> References: <7a41c4bc0612040759rde77066h1684a3db915c3694@mail.gmail.com> <1165276581.24009.78.camel@erato.phig.org> Message-ID: <457586C4.7050005@glezos.com> O/H Karsten Wade ??????: > A special request to all of your eyeballs: > > We want to look for any differences in formatting for this new version. > You may be able to find some Moin Moin release notes that suggest what > to look for. Took a quick look, probably a closer one later on. > Already there is one difference that needs to be fixed in the styling > for the = Header Level One =. I'm glad to see that in the new wiki `= H1 =` produces `

`, like it should. This is the correct behaviour, because each webpage should contain at least one level-one heading which describes the page. In the case of the wiki, this is even more relevant becauseeach page is about one thing. I understand that this might require some coding (the Wiki conversion tools might need tweaking?), editing of pages etc. But this is important and besides, most of our webpages do start with an =h1= and that should be rendered as

. > Glezos -- Can we see how your CSS looks here? Are things implemented > better or worse? Anything else interesting we can be doing in this new > version? Yup, the CSS [1] seems to work. I'll have to enhance a bit the h1, due to it's more prominent role with the new wiki. :) [1]: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DimitrisGlezos/WikiDesignTuning TableOfContents is now surrounded by a
. This gives us the power to control it's appearance through CSS. Cool. > The Wiki is now fairly large with a good number of pages being worked on > regularly. Although we have guidelines at WikiEditing, there are many > styles used across the Wiki. What little hacks are different now? Do > all pages come out fine or can be easily fixed? If we do enable my CSS bits, then we could encourage people (probably by polishing the WikiEditing pages) to increase the quality of the wiki pages. For example by explaining the benefits of structure (h3's always after h2's) etc. If we want to increase the wiki's consistency, we could talk about enabling the CardMacro feature of moin [2]. It will allow us to reuse pages as "templates", just like wikipedia does. [2]: http://moinmoin.wikiwikiweb.de/macro/CardMacro This will help us decrease to a minimum the number of `{{{!html` and complex table structures that appear in lots of pages. What do you guys think? -d -- Dimitris Glezos Jabber ID: glezos at jabber.org, GPG: 0xA5A04C3B http://dimitris.glezos.com/ "He who gives up functionality for ease of use loses both and deserves neither." (Anonymous) -- From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Tue Dec 5 14:54:57 2006 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2006 20:24:57 +0530 Subject: Wiki Migration In-Reply-To: <457586C4.7050005@glezos.com> References: <7a41c4bc0612040759rde77066h1684a3db915c3694@mail.gmail.com> <1165276581.24009.78.camel@erato.phig.org> <457586C4.7050005@glezos.com> Message-ID: <45758841.4010802@fedoraproject.org> Dimitris Glezos wrote: > > If we want to increase the wiki's consistency, we could talk about enabling the > CardMacro feature of moin [2]. It will allow us to reuse pages as "templates", > just like wikipedia does. > > [2]: http://moinmoin.wikiwikiweb.de/macro/CardMacro > > This will help us decrease to a minimum the number of `{{{!html` and complex > table structures that appear in lots of pages. What do you guys think? I havent looked at how exactly that works but templating sounds good. Rahul From paulo.banon at googlemail.com Tue Dec 5 15:06:44 2006 From: paulo.banon at googlemail.com (Paulo Santos) Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2006 15:06:44 +0000 Subject: Wiki Migration In-Reply-To: <45758841.4010802@fedoraproject.org> References: <7a41c4bc0612040759rde77066h1684a3db915c3694@mail.gmail.com> <1165276581.24009.78.camel@erato.phig.org> <457586C4.7050005@glezos.com> <45758841.4010802@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <7a41c4bc0612050706y612e4e7idefb2efdd4e213a3@mail.gmail.com> Indeed it does. By the way, if you guys know of any feature that Moin1.5.6 has, but its not active and would be helpfull, just let me know to change the config. Paulo On 12/5/06, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > > Dimitris Glezos wrote: > > > > > If we want to increase the wiki's consistency, we could talk about > enabling the > > CardMacro feature of moin [2]. It will allow us to reuse pages as > "templates", > > just like wikipedia does. > > > > [2]: http://moinmoin.wikiwikiweb.de/macro/CardMacro > > > > This will help us decrease to a minimum the number of `{{{!html` and > complex > > table structures that appear in lots of pages. What do you guys think? > > I havent looked at how exactly that works but templating sounds good. > > Rahul > > -- > Fedora-websites-list mailing list > Fedora-websites-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-websites-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kwade at redhat.com Tue Dec 5 16:10:12 2006 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten Wade) Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2006 08:10:12 -0800 Subject: Wiki Migration In-Reply-To: <9d2c731f0612050306u23350ef0te8c5ed6e679cdcfd@mail.gmail.com> References: <7a41c4bc0612040759rde77066h1684a3db915c3694@mail.gmail.com> <1165276581.24009.78.camel@erato.phig.org> <16de708d0612050024j57c42e11xc6cf1ad01e04320b@mail.gmail.com> <9d2c731f0612050306u23350ef0te8c5ed6e679cdcfd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1165335012.24009.100.camel@erato.phig.org> On Tue, 2006-12-05 at 14:06 +0300, John Babich wrote: > 1. Is the move back to fedora.redhat.com a temporary situation for testing? Paul explained this fine; it's just a test/sandbox environment. We are definitely leaving fedora.redhat.com behind. :) > 2. Are we still going with Plone for static pages and MoinMoin wiki > for drafts, etc.? This is the way the Documentation Project is going to use Wiki + CMS. However, I fully expect the rest of the project to use the Wiki as a primary location for project-specific documentation, e.g. Packaging/, SELinux/, Extras/, etc. However, once we build the tools to easily publish to Plone, we'll see if some folks want to use that. :) > By the way, I'm intrigued by the "Render as Docbook" feature. > > 3. Is there a way to generate our valid DocBook XML code with this facility? What you see in this Moin Moin instance, ver. 1.5.6, is the code *before* the Google Summer of Code fixes this year. It actually works well for most cases, but has some bugs and unsupported syntax. The code that was worked on over this GSoC fixed the bugs and did a number of syntax mappings that we devised. So, for example, the markup in WikiEditing#Marking_Technical_Terms is rendered in to the XML that we expect it to. We are working with the same FI/Websites team to get upgraded to 1.6 when it is released, as well as working on getting the GSoC code into that main trunk. In the meantime, the Render as DocBook in 1.5.6 works good enough for us to use for one-time conversions out of the Wiki, etc. - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, RHCE, 108 Editor ^ Fedora Documentation Project Sr. Developer Relations Mgr. | fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject quaid.108.redhat.com | gpg key: AD0E0C41 ////////////////////////////////// \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From kwade at redhat.com Wed Dec 6 02:19:38 2006 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten Wade) Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2006 18:19:38 -0800 Subject: programming help for Moin & DocBook XML Message-ID: <1165371578.24009.163.camel@erato.phig.org> We need some help for the following: 1. Some short-term Python fixes, documentation clean-up, etc. to get the Google Summer of Code project we did through Moin Moin merged into the 1.6 trunk. 2. Ongoing maintenance of this Wiki to DocBook conversion code. This is a great chance to get involved in some upstream work for our Wiki-of-choice; to help out the Documentation Project tremendously; and to help out the overall Fedora Project when we all benefit from upgrading to the 1.5+/1.6 Moin Moin. A current status is found here: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/MoinDocBookProject/Status Here is the history of the project: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MoinDocBookProject The status page has a task list, that needs to be moved to the Moin Moin main Wiki and then worked on. If you are interested in doing or collaborating on this project, please contact us through fedora-docs-list. Questions to the mailing list, or come by #fedora-docs and we'll see what you need. thx - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, RHCE, 108 Editor ^ Fedora Documentation Project Sr. Developer Relations Mgr. | fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject quaid.108.redhat.com | gpg key: AD0E0C41 ////////////////////////////////// \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From paulo.banon at googlemail.com Wed Dec 6 09:36:35 2006 From: paulo.banon at googlemail.com (Paulo Santos) Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 09:36:35 +0000 Subject: Wiki Migration In-Reply-To: <1165335012.24009.100.camel@erato.phig.org> References: <7a41c4bc0612040759rde77066h1684a3db915c3694@mail.gmail.com> <1165276581.24009.78.camel@erato.phig.org> <16de708d0612050024j57c42e11xc6cf1ad01e04320b@mail.gmail.com> <9d2c731f0612050306u23350ef0te8c5ed6e679cdcfd@mail.gmail.com> <1165335012.24009.100.camel@erato.phig.org> Message-ID: <7a41c4bc0612060136w335ff477s2c91c25a9d91fcf6@mail.gmail.com> Hi all, Since i'm noticing that some people are already editing and ading pages to the 'testing' wiki, i just want to give the following warning: This is a testing environment with the original fedoraproject.org data from 8th of November 2006. Any definite aditions, should still be going under the current wiki, since i will move that data when we all determine that the new wiki is ready for prime time. Also you might have noticed that the RecentChanges are almost empty. Basicly the RecentChanges are obtained from parsing the event.log of the wiki. And that log was already 5GB, so i decided to drop that on this testing environment. Karsten: If you guys want to test the new CSS, just let me know where it is and i'll add a similar Kindofblue template, and replace the appropriate stylesheets for your testing. Once again, thanks all Paulo On 12/5/06, Karsten Wade wrote: > > On Tue, 2006-12-05 at 14:06 +0300, John Babich wrote: > > > 1. Is the move back to fedora.redhat.com a temporary situation for > testing? > > Paul explained this fine; it's just a test/sandbox environment. We are > definitely leaving fedora.redhat.com behind. :) > > > 2. Are we still going with Plone for static pages and MoinMoin wiki > > for drafts, etc.? > > This is the way the Documentation Project is going to use Wiki + CMS. > However, I fully expect the rest of the project to use the Wiki as a > primary location for project-specific documentation, e.g. Packaging/, > SELinux/, Extras/, etc. > > However, once we build the tools to easily publish to Plone, we'll see > if some folks want to use that. :) > > > By the way, I'm intrigued by the "Render as Docbook" feature. > > > > 3. Is there a way to generate our valid DocBook XML code with this > facility? > > What you see in this Moin Moin instance, ver. 1.5.6, is the code > *before* the Google Summer of Code fixes this year. It actually works > well for most cases, but has some bugs and unsupported syntax. The code > that was worked on over this GSoC fixed the bugs and did a number of > syntax mappings that we devised. So, for example, the markup in > WikiEditing#Marking_Technical_Terms is rendered in to the XML that we > expect it to. > > We are working with the same FI/Websites team to get upgraded to 1.6 > when it is released, as well as working on getting the GSoC code into > that main trunk. In the meantime, the Render as DocBook in 1.5.6 works > good enough for us to use for one-time conversions out of the Wiki, etc. > > - Karsten > -- > Karsten Wade, RHCE, 108 Editor ^ Fedora Documentation Project > Sr. Developer Relations Mgr. | fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject > quaid.108.redhat.com | gpg key: AD0E0C41 > ////////////////////////////////// \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ > > > -- > Fedora-websites-list mailing list > Fedora-websites-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-websites-list > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Wed Dec 6 15:19:22 2006 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2006 20:49:22 +0530 Subject: Wiki Migration In-Reply-To: <7a41c4bc0612060136w335ff477s2c91c25a9d91fcf6@mail.gmail.com> References: <7a41c4bc0612040759rde77066h1684a3db915c3694@mail.gmail.com> <1165276581.24009.78.camel@erato.phig.org> <16de708d0612050024j57c42e11xc6cf1ad01e04320b@mail.gmail.com> <9d2c731f0612050306u23350ef0te8c5ed6e679cdcfd@mail.gmail.com> <1165335012.24009.100.camel@erato.phig.org> <7a41c4bc0612060136w335ff477s2c91c25a9d91fcf6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4576DF7A.7020002@fedoraproject.org> Paulo Santos wrote: > Hi all, > > Since i'm noticing that some people are already editing and ading pages > to the 'testing' wiki, i just want to give the following warning: > > This is a testing environment with the original fedoraproject.org > data from 8th of November 2006. Any definite > aditions, should still be going under the current wiki, since i will > move that data when we all determine that the new wiki is ready for > prime time. > Also you might have noticed that the RecentChanges are almost empty. > Basicly the RecentChanges are obtained from parsing the event.log of the > wiki. And that log was already 5GB, so i decided to drop that on this > testing environment. > > Karsten: > If you guys want to test the new CSS, just let me know where it is and > i'll add a similar Kindofblue template, and replace the appropriate > stylesheets for your testing. > The CSS is here: http://dimitris.glezos.com/box/foss/fedora/custom.css. I have been using it for a few days and there are some minor rendering glitches but those can be fixed easily. Good improvement overall. Rahul From tchung at fedoraproject.org Wed Dec 6 18:10:20 2006 From: tchung at fedoraproject.org (Thomas Chung) Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 10:10:20 -0800 Subject: Wiki Migration In-Reply-To: <7a41c4bc0612060136w335ff477s2c91c25a9d91fcf6@mail.gmail.com> References: <7a41c4bc0612040759rde77066h1684a3db915c3694@mail.gmail.com> <1165276581.24009.78.camel@erato.phig.org> <16de708d0612050024j57c42e11xc6cf1ad01e04320b@mail.gmail.com> <9d2c731f0612050306u23350ef0te8c5ed6e679cdcfd@mail.gmail.com> <1165335012.24009.100.camel@erato.phig.org> <7a41c4bc0612060136w335ff477s2c91c25a9d91fcf6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <369bce3b0612061010sb63a0b0m2c759bcf08d541d7@mail.gmail.com> On 12/6/06, Paulo Santos wrote: > Hi all, > > Since i'm noticing that some people are already editing and ading pages to > the 'testing' wiki, i just want to give the following warning: > > This is a testing environment with the original fedoraproject.org data from > 8th of November 2006. Any definite aditions, should still be going under the > current wiki, since i will move that data when we all determine that the new > wiki is ready for prime time. > Also you might have noticed that the RecentChanges are almost empty. Basicly > the RecentChanges are obtained from parsing the event.log of the wiki. And > that log was already 5GB, so i decided to drop that on this testing > environment. > > Karsten: > If you guys want to test the new CSS, just let me know where it is and i'll > add a similar Kindofblue template, and replace the appropriate stylesheets > for your testing. > > > Once again, thanks all > Paulo Understood. I've added a few issues at WikiMigration[1] last night. I also tested with new custom CSS[2] which improves the look but it didn't fix issues I reported. Regards, [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/WikiMigration [2] http://dimitris.glezos.com/box/foss/fedora/custom.css -- Thomas Chung http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung From fedora-websites-list at redhat.com Wed Dec 6 21:37:15 2006 From: fedora-websites-list at redhat.com (Karsten Wade (kwade)) Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 16:37:15 -0500 Subject: web/html/About/Projects docs.php,1.3,1.4 Message-ID: <200612062137.kB6LbF8l012088@cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com> Author: kwade Update of /cvs/fedora/web/html/About/Projects In directory cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv12073 Modified Files: docs.php Log Message: updating to modern CVS server location Index: docs.php =================================================================== RCS file: /cvs/fedora/web/html/About/Projects/docs.php,v retrieving revision 1.3 retrieving revision 1.4 diff -u -r1.3 -r1.4 --- docs.php 6 Dec 2005 06:53:02 -0000 1.3 +++ docs.php 6 Dec 2006 21:36:44 -0000 1.4 @@ -95,7 +95,7 @@ recently changed.

- export CVSROOT=:pserver:anonymous at cvs.fedora.redhat.com:/cvs/docs
+ export CVSROOT=:pserver:anonymous at cvs.fedoraproject.org:/cvs/docs
cvs -z3 login
cvs -z3 co docs-common
cvs -z3 co <name-of-module>
@@ -103,7 +103,7 @@

The first check-out command grabs the set of common files you need to build the documents, including stylesheets, common XML components, and stylesheet images. In the second check-out command, replace <name-of-module> with the name of the CVS module you are interested in, such as documentation-guide. If you do not know the name of the document module, you can see a listing of all modules in CVS with these commands:

- export CVSROOT=:pserver:anonymous at cvs.fedora.redhat.com:/cvs/docs
+ export CVSROOT=:pserver:anonymous at cvs.fedoraproject.org:/cvs/docs
cvs -z3 login
cvs -z3 co -c
 From dimitris at glezos.com Fri Dec 8 14:41:46 2006 From: dimitris at glezos.com (Dimitris Glezos) Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2006 14:41:46 +0000 Subject: Wiki Migration In-Reply-To: <7a41c4bc0612060136w335ff477s2c91c25a9d91fcf6@mail.gmail.com> References: <7a41c4bc0612040759rde77066h1684a3db915c3694@mail.gmail.com> <1165276581.24009.78.camel@erato.phig.org> <16de708d0612050024j57c42e11xc6cf1ad01e04320b@mail.gmail.com> <9d2c731f0612050306u23350ef0te8c5ed6e679cdcfd@mail.gmail.com> <1165335012.24009.100.camel@erato.phig.org> <7a41c4bc0612060136w335ff477s2c91c25a9d91fcf6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <457979AA.3020806@glezos.com> O/H Paulo Santos ??????: > This is a testing environment with the original fedoraproject.org > data from 8th of November 2006. [...] Hi Paulo, first of all, great job with the upgrade. Here are some comments: 1. Can we enable the definition syntax (term :: definition)? It's an important syntax in HTML and used very often throughout the wiki. 2. We could use the CardMacro feature. But this might need some discussion. 3. I've noticed that during a page editing the "Preview" buttons are only on top of the editbox. Is there a switch to enable their presence below the box too, since there is the place 99% of the users will expect it to be? 4. BTW, during a page edit subimt, the following error occured: Status of sending notification mails: [en] ThomasChung, ThorstenLeemhuis, RahulSundaram, PatrickBarnes: {u'tchung at fedoraproject.org': (554, ': Recipient address rejected: Relay access denied'), u'nman64 at fedoraproject.org': (554, ': Recipient address rejected: Relay access denied'), u'sundaram at redhat.com': (554, ': Recipient address rejected: Relay access denied'), u'fedora at leemhuis.info': (554, ': Recipient address rejected: Relay access denied')} > Karsten: > If you guys want to test the new CSS, just let me know where it is and > i'll add a similar Kindofblue template, and replace the appropriate > stylesheets for your testing. The CSS additions that work on top of the current theme; you just need to import this CSS as well. Here is the current version: http://dimitris.glezos.com/box/foss/fedora/custom.css Some further additions are planned in the near future. I would like to work more on the h1, probably the tables, create some custom stuff that people could use just by adding the related CSS "class". Paulo, thanks for the notices, explanations and all. -d > Once again, thanks all > Paulo > > On 12/5/06, *Karsten Wade* > > wrote: > > On Tue, 2006-12-05 at 14:06 +0300, John Babich wrote: > > > 1. Is the move back to fedora.redhat.com > a temporary situation for testing? > > Paul explained this fine; it's just a test/sandbox environment. We are > definitely leaving fedora.redhat.com > behind. :) > > > 2. Are we still going with Plone for static pages and MoinMoin wiki > > for drafts, etc.? > > This is the way the Documentation Project is going to use Wiki + CMS. > However, I fully expect the rest of the project to use the Wiki as a > primary location for project-specific documentation, e.g. Packaging/, > SELinux/, Extras/, etc. > > However, once we build the tools to easily publish to Plone, we'll see > if some folks want to use that. :) > > > By the way, I'm intrigued by the "Render as Docbook" feature. > > > > 3. Is there a way to generate our valid DocBook XML code with this > facility? > > What you see in this Moin Moin instance, ver. 1.5.6, is the code > *before* the Google Summer of Code fixes this year. It actually works > well for most cases, but has some bugs and unsupported syntax. The code > that was worked on over this GSoC fixed the bugs and did a number of > syntax mappings that we devised. So, for example, the markup in > WikiEditing#Marking_Technical_Terms is rendered in to the XML that we > expect it to. > > We are working with the same FI/Websites team to get upgraded to 1.6 > when it is released, as well as working on getting the GSoC code into > that main trunk. In the meantime, the Render as DocBook in 1.5.6 works > good enough for us to use for one-time conversions out of the Wiki, > etc. > > - Karsten > -- > Karsten Wade, RHCE, 108 Editor ^ Fedora Documentation Project > Sr. Developer Relations Mgr. > | fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject > > quaid.108.redhat.com > | gpg key: AD0E0C41 > ////////////////////////////////// \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ > > > -- > Fedora-websites-list mailing list > Fedora-websites-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-websites-list > > > > > -- Dimitris Glezos Jabber ID: glezos at jabber.org, GPG: 0xA5A04C3B http://dimitris.glezos.com/ "He who gives up functionality for ease of use loses both and deserves neither." (Anonymous) -- From paulo.banon at googlemail.com Fri Dec 8 23:00:05 2006 From: paulo.banon at googlemail.com (Paulo Santos) Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2006 23:00:05 +0000 Subject: Wiki Migration In-Reply-To: <457979AA.3020806@glezos.com> References: <7a41c4bc0612040759rde77066h1684a3db915c3694@mail.gmail.com> <1165276581.24009.78.camel@erato.phig.org> <16de708d0612050024j57c42e11xc6cf1ad01e04320b@mail.gmail.com> <9d2c731f0612050306u23350ef0te8c5ed6e679cdcfd@mail.gmail.com> <1165335012.24009.100.camel@erato.phig.org> <7a41c4bc0612060136w335ff477s2c91c25a9d91fcf6@mail.gmail.com> <457979AA.3020806@glezos.com> Message-ID: <7a41c4bc0612081500p7b54fb5exe7b3e1956ff5f3a9@mail.gmail.com> Hi Dimitri, First of all thanks for the feedback. Some explanations below... On 12/8/06, Dimitris Glezos wrote: > > > O/H Paulo Santos ??????: > > This is a testing environment with the original fedoraproject.org > > data from 8th of November 2006. [...] > > Hi Paulo, > > first of all, great job with the upgrade. Here are some comments: > > 1. Can we enable the definition syntax (term :: definition)? It's an > important > syntax in HTML and used very often throughout the wiki. Cool, let me check how to enable this and i'll do it. (probably only monday though) 2. We could use the CardMacro feature. But this might need some discussion. I liked what i saw with CardMacro, but thats just me. You guys are the ones that gonna use it more often, so please discuss it and let me know what you need from my side. I'm here to help you all :) 3. I've noticed that during a page editing the "Preview" buttons are only on > top of the editbox. Is there a switch to enable their presence below the > box > too, since there is the place 99% of the users will expect it to be? About the preview buttons, i have no idea if this is supposed to be like this or not. I'll drop some questions to the guys at #moin, and then i'll give you an answer on this subject. 4. BTW, during a page edit subimt, the following error occured: > > Status of sending notification mails: > [en] ThomasChung, ThorstenLeemhuis, RahulSundaram, PatrickBarnes: > {u'tchung at fedoraproject.org': (554, ': Recipient address rejected: Relay > access > denied'), u'nman64 at fedoraproject.org': (554, ': Recipient address > rejected: > Relay access denied'), u'sundaram at redhat.com': (554, ': Recipient address > rejected: Relay access denied'), u'fedora at leemhuis.info': (554, ': > Recipient > address rejected: Relay access denied')} Right now this is supposed to be like this. Why? simple answer. I have the wiki setup to use the same smtp as in fp.o (duke). Our firewalls dont allow a straight connection to fpserv.fp.o:25 which means no notifications mails. I dont want to setup this correctly, so that everyone on that mailing list don't keep receiving emails about something still on testing. I'm not saying we shouldn't testing this, just stating that i would prefer not to do it right now. Why not leave this to the last few testings... > Karsten: > > If you guys want to test the new CSS, just let me know where it is and > > i'll add a similar Kindofblue template, and replace the appropriate > > stylesheets for your testing. > > The CSS additions that work on top of the current theme; you just need to > import > this CSS as well. Here is the current version: > > http://dimitris.glezos.com/box/foss/fedora/custom.css > > Some further additions are planned in the near future. I would like to > work more > on the h1, probably the tables, create some custom stuff that people could > use > just by adding the related CSS "class". Let's do it like this. I'll 'create' a theme called 'newKindofblue' with the new CSS, whenever you want it updated just let me know with the url of the new CSS and i'll update this new theme. You would like this theme to be enforced on the testing wiki ?! Paulo, thanks for the notices, explanations and all. My pleasure :) -d Paulo > Once again, thanks all > > Paulo > > > > On 12/5/06, *Karsten Wade* > > > wrote: > > > > On Tue, 2006-12-05 at 14:06 +0300, John Babich wrote: > > > > > 1. Is the move back to fedora.redhat.com > > a temporary situation for testing? > > > > Paul explained this fine; it's just a test/sandbox environment. We > are > > definitely leaving fedora.redhat.com > > behind. :) > > > > > 2. Are we still going with Plone for static pages and MoinMoin > wiki > > > for drafts, etc.? > > > > This is the way the Documentation Project is going to use Wiki + > CMS. > > However, I fully expect the rest of the project to use the Wiki as a > > primary location for project-specific documentation, e.g. > Packaging/, > > SELinux/, Extras/, etc. > > > > However, once we build the tools to easily publish to Plone, we'll > see > > if some folks want to use that. :) > > > > > By the way, I'm intrigued by the "Render as Docbook" feature. > > > > > > 3. Is there a way to generate our valid DocBook XML code with this > > facility? > > > > What you see in this Moin Moin instance, ver. 1.5.6, is the code > > *before* the Google Summer of Code fixes this year. It actually > works > > well for most cases, but has some bugs and unsupported syntax. The > code > > that was worked on over this GSoC fixed the bugs and did a number of > > syntax mappings that we devised. So, for example, the markup in > > WikiEditing#Marking_Technical_Terms is rendered in to the XML that > we > > expect it to. > > > > We are working with the same FI/Websites team to get upgraded to 1.6 > > when it is released, as well as working on getting the GSoC code > into > > that main trunk. In the meantime, the Render as DocBook in 1.5.6works > > good enough for us to use for one-time conversions out of the Wiki, > > etc. > > > > - Karsten > > -- > > Karsten Wade, RHCE, 108 Editor ^ Fedora Documentation Project > > Sr. Developer Relations Mgr. > > | fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject > > > > quaid.108.redhat.com > > | gpg key: AD0E0C41 > > ////////////////////////////////// > \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ > > > > > > -- > > Fedora-websites-list mailing list > > Fedora-websites-list at redhat.com Fedora-websites-list at redhat.com> > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-websites-list > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Dimitris Glezos > Jabber ID: glezos at jabber.org, GPG: 0xA5A04C3B > http://dimitris.glezos.com/ > > "He who gives up functionality for ease of use > loses both and deserves neither." 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URL: From dimitris at glezos.com Sun Dec 10 01:06:14 2006 From: dimitris at glezos.com (Dimitris Glezos) Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 01:06:14 +0000 Subject: Wiki Migration In-Reply-To: <7a41c4bc0612081500p7b54fb5exe7b3e1956ff5f3a9@mail.gmail.com> References: <7a41c4bc0612040759rde77066h1684a3db915c3694@mail.gmail.com> <1165276581.24009.78.camel@erato.phig.org> <16de708d0612050024j57c42e11xc6cf1ad01e04320b@mail.gmail.com> <9d2c731f0612050306u23350ef0te8c5ed6e679cdcfd@mail.gmail.com> <1165335012.24009.100.camel@erato.phig.org> <7a41c4bc0612060136w335ff477s2c91c25a9d91fcf6@mail.gmail.com> <457979AA.3020806@glezos.com> <7a41c4bc0612081500p7b54fb5exe7b3e1956ff5f3a9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <457B5D86.5070605@glezos.com> O/H Paulo Santos ??????: > I liked what i saw with CardMacro, but thats just me. You guys are the > ones that gonna use it more often, so please discuss it and let me know > what you need from my side. I'm here to help you all :) Well, to be honest, I'm not sure it will simplify things. But it's probably worth the try. For example, instead of having to code wiki tables for everything (announcements, table of contents, foo) we can put them in templates. Of course, on the other hand, if we over-do it then things are moving away from the KISS princile (Keep it simple, stupid!). I'd hope we use them wisely; with a sparing hand. > [...] > Let's do it like this. I'll 'create' a theme called 'newKindofblue' with > the new CSS, whenever you want it updated just let me know with the url > of the new CSS and i'll update this new theme. You would like this theme > to be enforced on the testing wiki ?! If you think it is necessary to create a new theme, OK. There is the option just to append the `custom.css` after the other CSS's. We'd want this CSS to be enforced on the production wiki, so enforcing it on the testing wiki would be great, so that we get it tested as much as possible. Thanks again. -d -- Dimitris Glezos Jabber ID: glezos at jabber.org, GPG: 0xA5A04C3B http://dimitris.glezos.com/ "He who gives up functionality for ease of use loses both and deserves neither." (Anonymous) -- From kwade at redhat.com Sun Dec 10 16:19:07 2006 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten Wade) Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 08:19:07 -0800 Subject: Wiki page structure [RFC] Message-ID: <1165767547.2414.112.camel@erato.phig.org> I just created a common section to cover how a Wiki page should be structured: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/WikiEditing#Structure_of_a_Wiki_Page We already follow this for the most part in most locations, often through rigorous editing by ya'll. I didn't see this written up elsewhere, and figured it belonged on that canonical page. These are rules for _all_ pages. FDP has additional rules, under DocsProject/WritingUsingTheWiki. Here is stuff I didn't put there but we should consider: * Page owner(s) * Workflow position (where appropriate): http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/WikiWorkflow What needs to be added or fixed in this new section? thx - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, RHCE, 108 Editor ^ Fedora Documentation Project Sr. Developer Relations Mgr. | fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject quaid.108.redhat.com | gpg key: AD0E0C41 ////////////////////////////////// \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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My reasons for making this a rule are: * It is common practice and is not confusing to people * Common in other Wiki (such as MediaWiki), so it is somewhat expected * Easy to reproduce in XML with a in each * It really makes for a better reader experience There are exceptions to most rules I wrote down, so please read the page: > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/WikiEditing#Structure_of_a_Wiki_Page Before commenting here. :) thx - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, RHCE, 108 Editor ^ Fedora Documentation Project Sr. Developer Relations Mgr. | fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject quaid.108.redhat.com | gpg key: AD0E0C41 ////////////////////////////////// \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From dimitris at glezos.com Sun Dec 10 17:14:29 2006 From: dimitris at glezos.com (Dimitris Glezos) Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 17:14:29 +0000 Subject: Wiki page structure [RFC] In-Reply-To: <1165767547.2414.112.camel@erato.phig.org> References: <1165767547.2414.112.camel@erato.phig.org> Message-ID: <457C4075.5070403@glezos.com> O/H Karsten Wade ??????: > I just created a common section to cover how a Wiki page should be > structured: > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/WikiEditing#Structure_of_a_Wiki_Page > > We already follow this for the most part in most locations, often through > rigorous editing by ya'll. Karsten, good work! I was thinking on doing that myself now that the new CSS is landing, which pushes proper structure by rendering it in a usable way. I suggest a small change: to follow Wikipedia's structure to put the introduction right below the `= h1 =` and *after* that the TOC. Like this: > = Title of page = > > This is a description of the page. It should say what the page is about (it's > purpose) and be about 1-3 paragraphs long. Something like an introduction. > > An example: The Fedora Project wiki has a very low barrier to entry for > editors. However, there can be a small learning curve when beginning to use > wiki, and we have a number of guidelines that all editors should follow. This > page provides those guidelines and a few tips to help you get going. > > [[TableOfContents]] > > == First section == > > Blah. Futhermore, I was hoping to give the authors the opportunity to put an image if the want (eg the Ambassadors badge etc), right behind the page title, floated to the right. Ideally, this should image be less than 250-300px wide, to make sure the most important text of the page (the first paragraph) is rendered OK. I've created a page that follows the above. Best viewed with the new CSS. ;-) http://webtest.fedora.redhat.com/wiki/DimitrisGlezos/Sandbox Some notes: 1. The "you are here" should be handled by the wiki engine and not the author of the page. 2. We could think about disabling very deep contents on the TOC (ie make it include only up to level-3 headings so that it is short and sweet. > I didn't see this written up elsewhere, and figured it belonged on that > canonical page. These are rules for _all_ pages. FDP has additional rules, > under DocsProject/WritingUsingTheWiki. > > Here is stuff I didn't put there but we should consider: > > * Page owner(s) +1. -d * Workflow position (where appropriate): > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/WikiWorkflow > > What needs to be added or fixed in this new section? > > thx - Karsten > -- Dimitris Glezos Jabber ID: glezos at jabber.org, GPG: 0xA5A04C3B http://dimitris.glezos.com/ "He who gives up functionality for ease of use loses both and deserves neither." (Anonymous) -- From nman64 at n-man.com Sun Dec 10 17:33:26 2006 From: nman64 at n-man.com (Patrick W. Barnes) Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 11:33:26 -0600 Subject: Wiki page structure [RFC] In-Reply-To: <457C4075.5070403@glezos.com> References: <1165767547.2414.112.camel@erato.phig.org> <457C4075.5070403@glezos.com> Message-ID: <200612101133.28711.nman64@n-man.com> On Sunday 10 December 2006 11:14, Dimitris Glezos wrote: > O/H Karsten Wade ??????: > > I suggest a small change: to follow Wikipedia's structure to put the > > introduction right below the `= h1 =` and *after* that the TOC. Like this: > > = Title of page = > > > > This is a description of the page. It should say what the page is about > > (it's purpose) and be about 1-3 paragraphs long. Something like an > > introduction. > > > > An example: The Fedora Project wiki has a very low barrier to entry for > > editors. However, there can be a small learning curve when beginning to > > use wiki, and we have a number of guidelines that all editors should > > follow. This page provides those guidelines and a few tips to help you > > get going. > > > > [[TableOfContents]] > > > > == First section == > > > > Blah. > I agree with this totally. The first shot of a page should tell the user if it is the page they really want to look at. They should know what the page is and should get a few details before they start jumping to other sections of the page. The introduction should be short enough to keep the ToC readily visible. > Futhermore, I was hoping to give the authors the opportunity to put an > image if the want (eg the Ambassadors badge etc), right behind the page > title, floated to the right. Ideally, this should image be less than > 250-300px wide, to make sure the most important text of the page (the first > paragraph) is rendered OK. > > I've created a page that follows the above. Best viewed with the new CSS. > ;-) > > http://webtest.fedora.redhat.com/wiki/DimitrisGlezos/Sandbox > > Some notes: > > 1. The "you are here" should be handled by the wiki engine and not the > author of the page. I've always wondered why the "breadcrumbs" were removed when we switched to the current theme. They are really useful. They do, however, need to be kept in the header, not the content, which would be an automatic thing if they were restored to the theme. > > 2. We could think about disabling very deep contents on the TOC (ie make > it include only up to level-3 headings so that it is short and sweet. > Generally advisable, with possible exceptions. If we document how that is done, I think most people will do the right thing. -- Patrick "The N-Man" Barnes nman64 at n-man.com http://n-man.com/ LinkedIn: http://linkedin.com/in/nman64 Have I been helpful? Rate my assistance! http://rate.affero.net/nman64/ -- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The first page have a few, so once you see it you'll understand what i meen. Regarding the WikiMigration page, i've added a new column on the table. This way you guys can see what's the status of things. Paulo On 12/10/06, Dimitris Glezos wrote: > > > > O/H Paulo Santos ??????: > > I liked what i saw with CardMacro, but thats just me. You guys are the > > ones that gonna use it more often, so please discuss it and let me know > > what you need from my side. I'm here to help you all :) > > Well, to be honest, I'm not sure it will simplify things. But it's > probably > worth the try. For example, instead of having to code wiki tables for > everything > (announcements, table of contents, foo) we can put them in templates. > > Of course, on the other hand, if we over-do it then things are moving away > from > the KISS princile (Keep it simple, stupid!). I'd hope we use them wisely; > with a > sparing hand. > > > [...] > > Let's do it like this. I'll 'create' a theme called 'newKindofblue' with > > the new CSS, whenever you want it updated just let me know with the url > > of the new CSS and i'll update this new theme. You would like this theme > > to be enforced on the testing wiki ?! > > If you think it is necessary to create a new theme, OK. There is the > option just > to append the `custom.css` after the other CSS's. > > We'd want this CSS to be enforced on the production wiki, so enforcing it > on the > testing wiki would be great, so that we get it tested as much as possible. > > Thanks again. > > -d > > > -- > Dimitris Glezos > Jabber ID: glezos at jabber.org, GPG: 0xA5A04C3B > http://dimitris.glezos.com/ > > "He who gives up functionality for ease of use > loses both and deserves neither." (Anonymous) > -- > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Something like an > > > introduction. > > > > > > An example: The Fedora Project wiki has a very low barrier to entry for > > > editors. However, there can be a small learning curve when beginning to > > > use wiki, and we have a number of guidelines that all editors should > > > follow. This page provides those guidelines and a few tips to help you > > > get going. > > > > > > [[TableOfContents]] > > > > > > == First section == > > > > > > Blah. > > > > I agree with this totally. The first shot of a page should tell the user if > it is the page they really want to look at. They should know what the page > is and should get a few details before they start jumping to other sectiPauloSantos/Testingons > of the page. The introduction should be short enough to keep the ToC readily > visible. Yes, I agree with this. It was in fact the Wikipedia structure that I had grown to like. However, I'd like to put it in as a rule with an exception to drop or move the introduction. Drop if it is not needed (self-evident what the page is), and put a long intro after the ToC if a long intro is truly needed. For FDP work, we'll surely follow the rule; but I think we should have some flexibility in general project docs. Theory of minimal disruption. > > 1. The "you are here" should be handled by the wiki engine and not the > > author of the page. > > I've always wondered why the "breadcrumbs" were removed when we switched to > the current theme. They are really useful. They do, however, need to be > kept in the header, not the content, which would be an automatic thing if > they were restored to the theme. I forget why they were removed, something got broke. Let's definitely re-enable this. >> 2. We could think about disabling very deep contents on the TOC (ie make > > it include only up to level-3 headings so that it is short and sweet. > > > > Generally advisable, with possible exceptions. 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They do, however, need to be >> kept in the header, not the content, which would be an automatic thing if >> they were restored to the theme. > > I forget why they were removed, something got broke. Let's definitely > re-enable this. It is based on themes and the new theme does not have it. Diana Fong did the current theme. Copying her. Rahul From jkeating at redhat.com Mon Dec 11 21:38:57 2006 From: jkeating at redhat.com (Jesse Keating) Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 16:38:57 -0500 Subject: Wiki page structure [RFC] In-Reply-To: <1165767547.2414.112.camel@erato.phig.org> References: <1165767547.2414.112.camel@erato.phig.org> Message-ID: <200612111638.57964.jkeating@redhat.com> On Sunday 10 December 2006 11:19, Karsten Wade wrote: > We already follow this for the most part in most locations, often > through rigorous editing by ya'll. > > I didn't see this written up elsewhere, and figured it belonged on that > canonical page. ?These are rules for _all_ pages. ?FDP has additional > rules, under DocsProject/WritingUsingTheWiki. Are you going to create a Template that can be used when making new pages? That's the easiest way toward enforcement (: I like the start of it. I'd like to see some more rules/suggestions around things like lists, what to put in preformatted text, when to do inline preformatting, bold usage, etc... -- Jesse Keating Release Engineer: Fedora -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From nman64 at n-man.com Tue Dec 12 02:19:05 2006 From: nman64 at n-man.com (Patrick W. Barnes) Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 20:19:05 -0600 Subject: Wiki page structure [RFC] In-Reply-To: <1165857957.2414.169.camel@erato.phig.org> References: <1165767547.2414.112.camel@erato.phig.org> <200612101133.28711.nman64@n-man.com> <1165857957.2414.169.camel@erato.phig.org> Message-ID: <200612112019.08056.nman64@n-man.com> On Monday 11 December 2006 11:25, Karsten Wade wrote: > > Yes, I agree with this. It was in fact the Wikipedia structure that I > had grown to like. However, I'd like to put it in as a rule with an > exception to drop or move the introduction. Drop if it is not needed > (self-evident what the page is), and put a long intro after the ToC if a > long intro is truly needed. > +1 > For FDP work, we'll surely follow the rule; but I think we should have > some flexibility in general project docs. Theory of minimal disruption. > I don't think we could count on absolute enforcement even if we wanted to. ;-) > > I think we should make the TableOfContents only display three nesting > levels and no more. If it is easy for people to custom that with the > macro, we can make the default two nesting levels and let people add a > third level if they need. > I don't recall how the macro works right now, but I would expect such a modification to be a simple patch. -- Patrick "The N-Man" Barnes nman64 at n-man.com http://n-man.com/ LinkedIn: http://linkedin.com/in/nman64 Have I been helpful? Rate my assistance! http://rate.affero.net/nman64/ -- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From paulo.banon at googlemail.com Tue Dec 12 10:29:19 2006 From: paulo.banon at googlemail.com (Paulo Santos) Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 10:29:19 +0000 Subject: Wiki theme sugestion Message-ID: <7a41c4bc0612120229l459ded37ve2cf76908b1f8bc0@mail.gmail.com> Hi all, Yesterday i was talking with Karsten and Bob Jensen, about the new CSS. While we were talking, Bob suggested me to take a look into Fedora Unity website (http://www.fedoraunity.org). Their current layout, is based on the default theme of Fedora Core 6. So my suggestion is, since we are migrating the wiki, why not also do a small revamp of the layout? Dimitris is already working on the new CSS (already implemented in http://webtest.fedora.redhat.com/wiki), with a new top 'DNA' banner. I know that several people prefer to keep it simple, but with a small change we could have an even more 'integrated' feel between Fedora Core, and Fedora Project. With this in mind, we could also release a new theme whenever a new version of Fedora is released. Just a suggestion really... Paulo -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jmbabich at gmail.com Tue Dec 12 13:19:56 2006 From: jmbabich at gmail.com (John Babich) Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 16:19:56 +0300 Subject: Wiki theme sugestion In-Reply-To: <7a41c4bc0612120229l459ded37ve2cf76908b1f8bc0@mail.gmail.com> References: <7a41c4bc0612120229l459ded37ve2cf76908b1f8bc0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9d2c731f0612120519m758cbbb9xd77364587d8ae520@mail.gmail.com> On 12/12/06, Paulo Santos wrote: > With this in mind, we could also release a new theme whenever a new version > of Fedora is released. Paolo: I like the idea of "a small revamp of the layout". I looked at the fedoraunity website. It's a bit on the dark side for my taste, but I like the idea of incorporating the Fedora 6 theme. The new version of the layout to match the new Fedora theme as an ongoing visual motif is a great idea, too. John Babich