From mmcgrath at redhat.com Sun Apr 1 03:13:41 2007 From: mmcgrath at redhat.com (Mike McGrath) Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2007 22:13:41 -0500 Subject: Patch to move wiki button bar below text area In-Reply-To: <460EEB9A.3030305@glezos.com> References: <460729FA.6050809@glezos.com> <46073B87.6010705@redhat.com> <1175061237.27529.219.camel@erato.phig.org> <460EEB9A.3030305@glezos.com> Message-ID: <460F2365.9090904@redhat.com> Dimitris Glezos wrote: > O/H Karsten Wade ??????: > >> On Sun, 2007-03-25 at 22:18 -0500, Mike McGrath wrote: >> >>> Beyond that I >>> wanted to state my concerns with this patch. If we can get this >>> incorporated upstream, I think it's great. If not my concern is ongoing >>> maintenance. It's never a fun thing to keep a local fork up to date. >>> I'll leave it entirely up to the websites team but I wanted to point out >>> that there are steep requirements long term with this patch which may >>> muck with future upgrades and I want to make sure everyone considers it >>> for an aesthetic change. >>> >> If the code is reasonable to maintain, there is a good chance upstream >> will accept it, I think. >> > > Upstream discussion takes place here: > > http://moinmoin.wikiwikiweb.de/FeatureRequests/MoveButtonBarBelowCommentBox > > We seem to disagree on what produces higher accessibility. Nevertheless, I will > follow the discussion. > > I would like to apply the patch and re-discuss it (if needed) when we upgrade. > The patch is harmless and easily re-coded if upstream code changes. > I haven't applied this to our instance but will soon (unless one of the other admins does it) -Mike From fedora-websites-list at redhat.com Sun Apr 1 17:50:18 2007 From: fedora-websites-list at redhat.com (Karsten Wade (kwade)) Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 13:50:18 -0400 Subject: web/html/docs index.php,1.31,1.32 Message-ID: <200704011750.l31HoIpE001044@cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com> Author: kwade Update of /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs In directory cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv1027 Modified Files: index.php Log Message: updating to link to style guide Index: index.php =================================================================== RCS file: /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/index.php,v retrieving revision 1.31 retrieving revision 1.32 diff -u -r1.31 -r1.32 --- index.php 28 Mar 2007 16:16:58 -0000 1.31 +++ index.php 1 Apr 2007 17:50:16 -0000 1.32 @@ -65,6 +65,7 @@ pt_BR | ru | sv)
+Fedora Documentation Style Guide
From fedora-websites-list at redhat.com Sun Apr 1 17:57:50 2007 From: fedora-websites-list at redhat.com (Karsten Wade (kwade)) Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 13:57:50 -0400 Subject: web/html/docs index.php,1.32,1.33 Message-ID: <200704011757.l31Hvok0001100@cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com> Author: kwade Update of /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs In directory cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv1083 Modified Files: index.php Log Message: updating to link to style guide Index: index.php =================================================================== RCS file: /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/index.php,v retrieving revision 1.32 retrieving revision 1.33 diff -u -r1.32 -r1.33 --- index.php 1 Apr 2007 17:50:16 -0000 1.32 +++ index.php 1 Apr 2007 17:57:48 -0000 1.33 @@ -52,7 +52,7 @@ Developer's Guide
-Documentation Guide
+Fedora Documentation Guide and Style Guide
Translation Quick Start Guide (el | en | @@ -65,7 +65,6 @@ pt_BR | ru | sv)
-Fedora Documentation Style Guide
From fedora-websites-list at redhat.com Mon Apr 2 12:49:45 2007 From: fedora-websites-list at redhat.com (Matt Domsch (mdomsch)) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 08:49:45 -0400 Subject: web/html/Download mirrors.php,1.41,1.42 Message-ID: <200704021249.l32CnjF1004676@cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com> Author: mdomsch Update of /cvs/fedora/web/html/Download In directory cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv4659 Modified Files: mirrors.php Log Message: remove ftp.scarlet.be by request of Bart Dumon Index: mirrors.php =================================================================== RCS file: /cvs/fedora/web/html/Download/mirrors.php,v retrieving revision 1.41 retrieving revision 1.42 diff -u -r1.41 -r1.42 --- mirrors.php 24 Mar 2007 02:51:11 -0000 1.41 +++ mirrors.php 2 Apr 2007 12:49:43 -0000 1.42 @@ -185,7 +185,6 @@
  • Belgium
  • Serbia and Montenegro From fedora-websites-list at redhat.com Wed Apr 4 12:53:05 2007 From: fedora-websites-list at redhat.com (Matt Domsch (mdomsch)) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 08:53:05 -0400 Subject: web/html/Download/mirrors fedora-core-5, 1.33, 1.34 fedora-core-6, 1.27, 1.28 Message-ID: <200704041253.l34CrZnP021406@cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com> Author: mdomsch Update of /cvs/fedora/web/html/Download/mirrors In directory cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv21369/mirrors Modified Files: fedora-core-5 fedora-core-6 Log Message: add ftp.anders.ru by request of Pavel Romanov Index: fedora-core-5 =================================================================== RCS file: /cvs/fedora/web/html/Download/mirrors/fedora-core-5,v retrieving revision 1.33 retrieving revision 1.34 diff -u -r1.33 -r1.34 --- fedora-core-5 29 Mar 2007 13:45:39 -0000 1.33 +++ fedora-core-5 4 Apr 2007 12:53:03 -0000 1.34 @@ -95,3 +95,4 @@ http://fedora.ifc.unam.mx/fedora/5/$ARCH/os/ http://ftp.kaist.ac.kr/pub/fedora/linux/core/5/$ARCH/os/ ftp://ftp.is.co.za/linux/distributions/fedora/linux/core/5/$ARCH/os/ +ftp://ftp.anders.ru/pub/Linux/fedora/linux/core/5/$ARCH/os/ Index: fedora-core-6 =================================================================== RCS file: /cvs/fedora/web/html/Download/mirrors/fedora-core-6,v retrieving revision 1.27 retrieving revision 1.28 diff -u -r1.27 -r1.28 --- fedora-core-6 29 Mar 2007 13:45:39 -0000 1.27 +++ fedora-core-6 4 Apr 2007 12:53:03 -0000 1.28 @@ -96,3 +96,4 @@ http://fedora.ifc.unam.mx/fedora/6/$ARCH/os/ http://ftp.kaist.ac.kr/pub/fedora/linux/core/6/$ARCH/os/ ftp://ftp.is.co.za/linux/distributions/fedora/linux/core/6/$ARCH/os/ +ftp://ftp.anders.ru/pub/Linux/fedora/linux/core/6/$ARCH/os/ From fedora-websites-list at redhat.com Wed Apr 4 15:02:22 2007 From: fedora-websites-list at redhat.com (Paul W. Frields (pfrields)) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 11:02:22 -0400 Subject: web/html/docs/translation-quick-start-guide/pt_BR index.php, 1.4, 1.5 ln-legalnotice-opl.php, 1.2, 1.3 rv-revhistory.php, 1.4, 1.5 sn_accounts.php, 1.4, 1.5 sn_translating_docs.php, 1.4, 1.5 sn_translating_software.php, 1.4, 1.5 Message-ID: <200704041502.l34F2MTw004895@cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com> Author: pfrields Update of /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/translation-quick-start-guide/pt_BR In directory cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv4871 Modified Files: index.php ln-legalnotice-opl.php rv-revhistory.php sn_accounts.php sn_translating_docs.php sn_translating_software.php Log Message: Publish TQSG 0.3.7.1 in pt_BR Index: ln-legalnotice-opl.php =================================================================== RCS file: /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/translation-quick-start-guide/pt_BR/ln-legalnotice-opl.php,v retrieving revision 1.2 retrieving revision 1.3 diff -u -r1.2 -r1.3 --- ln-legalnotice-opl.php 3 Apr 2007 13:07:20 -0000 1.2 +++ ln-legalnotice-opl.php 4 Apr 2007 15:02:20 -0000 1.3 @@ -11,7 +11,7 @@ Permission is granted to copy, distribute, and/or modify this document under the terms of the Open Publication Licence, Version 1.0, or any later version. The terms of the OPL are set out below. -

    1. REQUIREMENTS ON BOTH UNMODIFIED AND MODIFIED +

      1. REQUIREMENTS ON BOTH UNMODIFIED AND MODIFIED VERSIONS

        Open Publication works may be reproduced and distributed in whole or in part, in any medium physical or electronic, provided @@ -37,10 +37,10 @@ surfaces of the book the original publisher's name shall be as large as the title of the work and cited as possessive with respect to the title. -

      2. COPYRIGHT

        +

      3. COPYRIGHT

        The copyright to each Open Publication is owned by its author(s) or designee. -

      4. SCOPE OF LICENSE

        +

      5. SCOPE OF LICENSE

        The following license terms apply to all Open Publication works, unless otherwise explicitly stated in the document.

        @@ -60,7 +60,7 @@ including, but not limited to, the implied warranties of merchantability and fitness for a particular purpose or a warranty of non-infringement. -

      6. REQUIREMENTS ON MODIFIED WORKS

        +

      7. REQUIREMENTS ON MODIFIED WORKS

        All modified versions of documents covered by this license, including translations, anthologies, compilations and partial documents, must meet the following requirements: @@ -80,7 +80,7 @@ The original author's (or authors') name(s) may not be used to assert or imply endorsement of the resulting document without the original author's (or authors') permission. -

    2. GOOD-PRACTICE RECOMMENDATIONS

      +

  • GOOD-PRACTICE RECOMMENDATIONS

    In addition to the requirements of this license, it is requested from and strongly recommended of redistributors that:

    1. @@ -99,7 +99,7 @@ considered good form to offer a free copy of any hardcopy and CD-ROM expression of an Open Publication-licensed work to its author(s). -

  • LICENSE OPTIONS

    +

  • LICENSE OPTIONS

    The author(s) and/or publisher of an Open Publication-licensed document may elect certain options by appending language to the reference to or copy of the license. These options are Index: rv-revhistory.php =================================================================== RCS file: /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/translation-quick-start-guide/pt_BR/rv-revhistory.php,v retrieving revision 1.4 retrieving revision 1.5 diff -u -r1.4 -r1.5 --- rv-revhistory.php 3 Apr 2007 13:07:20 -0000 1.4 +++ rv-revhistory.php 4 Apr 2007 15:02:20 -0000 1.5 @@ -9,7 +9,7 @@

    Hist??rico de Revis??es
    Revis??o 0.3.7.12007-04-03

    - Gerar novo POT e PO mantendo entidades gerais + Gerara????o de novo POT e PO mantendo entidades gerais

    Revis??o 0.3.72006-10-14

    Index: sn_accounts.php =================================================================== RCS file: /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/translation-quick-start-guide/pt_BR/sn_accounts.php,v retrieving revision 1.4 retrieving revision 1.5 diff -u -r1.4 -r1.5 --- sn_accounts.php 3 Apr 2007 13:07:20 -0000 1.4 +++ sn_accounts.php 4 Apr 2007 15:02:20 -0000 1.5 @@ -9,13 +9,13 @@

    2. Contas e Inscri????es
    Anterior??????Pr??xima

    2. Contas e Inscri????es

    2.1. Fazendo uma chave SSH

    Se voc?? n??o tem uma chave SSH ainda, gere uma usando os seguintes passos:

    1. Digite em uma linha de comando:

       ssh-keygen -t dsa
-

      Aceite a localiza????o padr??o (~/.ssh/id_dsa e entre a frase senha.

      [Cuidado]N??o Esque??a sua Frase Senha!

      Voc?? ir?? precisar de sua frase senha para acessar o reposit??rio CVS. Ela n??o pode ser recuperada se voc?? esquec??-la.

    2. Altere permiss??es para sua chave e diret??rio .ssh:

      +

      Aceite a localiza????o padr??o (~/.ssh/id_dsa) e entre a frase senha.

      [Cuidado]N??o Esque??a sua Frase Senha!

      Voc?? ir?? precisar de sua frase senha para acessar o reposit??rio CVS. Ela n??o pode ser recuperada se voc?? esquec??-la.

    3. Altere permiss??es para sua chave e diret??rio .ssh:

       chmod 700 ~/.ssh

    4. Copie e cole a chave SSH no espa??o fornecido para completar a aplica????o da conta.

    2.2. Contas para Tradu????o de Programas

    Para participar do Fedora Project como um tradutor, voc?? precisa de uma conta. Voc?? pode conseguir uma conta em http://i18n.redhat.com/cgi-bin/i18n-signup/. Voc?? deve fornecer um nome de usu??rio, uma conta de e-mail, uma l??ngua alvo ??? de prefer??ncia sua l??ngua nativa ??? e a parte p??blica da sua chave SSH.

    Existe duas listas onde voc?? pode discutir quest??es de tradu????o. A primeira ?? a fedora-trans-list, uma lista geral para discuss??o de problemas que afetam todas as linguas. Veja em http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-trans-list para mais informa????es. A segunda lista ?? espec??fica para a linguagem, como a fedora-trans-pt_BR para tradu????es em Portugu??s do Brasil, para discuss??o de quest??es relacionadas a tradu????es da comunidade espec??fica de tradutores.

    2.3. Contas para Documenta????o

    Siga este procedimento para come??ar a trabalhar diretamente com o Fedora Documentation Project, para traduzir a documenta????o.

    1. O Fedora Documentation Project encoraja todos os participantes a assinar os e-mails com uma chave de GPG. Para criar uma chave, use o seguinte comando:

       gpg --gen-key

      Uma s??rie de linhas de comando ir?? gui??-lo pelo processo. Pressione Enter para selecionar os valores padr??es.

      Voc?? deve exportar sua chave publica, assim outras pessoas podem verificar sua assinatura. Use este comendo para exportar sua chave para um servidor p??blico:

       gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --send-keys GPGKEYID
-

    2. Requerer uma assinatura na lista de discuss??o do Fedora Documentation Project. Para faz??-la, preencha o formul??rio em http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-docs-list/.

    3. Voc?? tamb??m deve enviar um e-mail com sua introdu????o (self-introduction) a lista de discuss??o do Fedora Documentation Project. Para detalhes, veja em http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/SelfIntroduction.

    4. Voc?? tamb??m ter?? que pedir uma conta Fedora ( Fedora Account). Visite https://admin.fedoraproject.com/accounts/ e selecione a op????o Apply for a new account (Pedir uma nova conta). Depois de preencher este formul??rio, voc?? ter?? uma conta b??sica.

      !

      Voc?? deve terminar o Acordo de Licen??a dos Contribuinte (CLA), seja http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/AccountSystem/CLAHowTo para instru????es.

    5. Uma vez que voc?? completou com sucesso o CLA, retorne ao sistema de contas (account system) e selecione Edit Your Account (Editar Sua Conta). Entre com sua senha recebida por e-mail e selecione Add new membership (Adicionar novo menbro) no bot??o da p??gina. No campo Groupname, digite cvsdocs e selecione Add. Esta a????o requere acesso ao reposit??rio CVS onde a documenta????o est?? armazenada.

      [Importante]Acesso ao CVS N??o ?? Autom??tico

      Quando voc?? preenche este formul??rio, voc?? n??o ir?? automaticamente ganhar acesso de escrita para o reposit??rio CVS. Voc?? pode necessitar de uma supervis??o (sponsorship) de um dos gerentes do Fedora Documentation Project para ent??o, ganhar este acesso.

    6. O pr??ximo passo ?? criar uma conta wiki. Preencha o formul??rio em http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/UserPreferences e selecione Create Profile (Criar Perfil).

    7. Contate qualquer pessoa que tenha acesso a edi????o e pe??a para ser adicionado como "Wiki edit account" em http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/EditGroup. Voc?? pode fazer isto no IRC ou postando um e-mail na lista fedora-docs-list que voc?? assinou em uma etapa anterior.

    Anterior??????Pr??xima
    Guia R??pido de Tradu????o??Principal??3. Traduzindo Programas
    +

  • Requerer uma assinatura na lista de discuss??o do Fedora Documentation Project. Para faz??-la, preencha o formul??rio em http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-docs-list/.

  • Voc?? tamb??m deve enviar um e-mail com sua introdu????o (self-introduction) a lista de discuss??o do Fedora Documentation Project. Para detalhes, veja em http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/SelfIntroduction.

  • Voc?? tamb??m ter?? que pedir uma conta Fedora (Fedora Account). Visite https://admin.fedoraproject.com/accounts/ e selecione a op????o Apply for a new account (Pedir uma nova conta). Depois de preencher este formul??rio, voc?? ter?? uma conta b??sica.

    Voc?? deve terminar o Acordo de Licen??a dos Contribuinte (CLA), seja http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/AccountSystem/CLAHowTo para instru????es.

  • Uma vez que voc?? completou com sucesso o CLA, retorne ao sistema de contas (account system) e selecione Edit Your Account (Editar Sua Conta). Entre com sua senha recebida por e-mail e selecione Add new membership (Adicionar novo membro) no bot??o da p??gina. No campo Groupname, digite cvsdocs e selecione Add. Esta a????o requere acesso ao reposit??rio CVS onde a documenta????o est?? armazenada.

    [Importante]O acesso ao CVS n??o ?? autom??tico

    Quando voc?? preenche este formul??rio, voc?? n??o ir?? automaticamente ganhar acesso de escrita para o reposit??rio CVS. Voc?? pode precisar de uma supervis??o de um dos gerentes do Fedora Documentation Project, para ent??o ganhar este acesso.

  • O pr??ximo passo ?? criar uma conta wiki. Preencha o formul??rio em http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/UserPreferences e selecione Create Profile (Criar Perfil).

  • Contate qualquer pessoa que tenha acesso de edi????o e pe??a para ser adicionado como conta com permiss??o de edi????o na Wiki (Wiki edit account) em http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/EditGroup. Voc?? pode fazer isto no IRC ou postando um e-mail na lista fedora-docs-list que voc?? assinou em uma etapa anterior.

    • Anterior??????Pr??xima
    Guia R??pido de Tradu????o??Principal??3. Traduzindo Programas
    displayFooter('$Date$'); Index: sn_translating_docs.php =================================================================== RCS file: /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/translation-quick-start-guide/pt_BR/sn_translating_docs.php,v retrieving revision 1.4 retrieving revision 1.5 diff -u -r1.4 -r1.5 --- sn_translating_docs.php 3 Apr 2007 13:07:20 -0000 1.4 +++ sn_translating_docs.php 4 Apr 2007 15:02:20 -0000 1.5 @@ -20,10 +20,10 @@
    [Importante]N??o Traduzir a Aviso Legal

    Para assegurar que ?? legalmente equivalente em todos os locais, n??o traduza o OPL.

  • Ent??o coloque o arquivo no CVS tamb??m:

     cvs add legalnotive-opl-pt_BR.xml
 cvs ci -m 'Adicionado aviso legal para pt_BR' legalnotice-opl-pt_BR.xml
-

  • Em seguida, construa a 'marca d'agua' do rascunho (draft) para sua localiza????o na pasta docs-common/images/

    +

  • Em seguida, construa a marca d'agua do rascunho (draft) para sua localiza????o na pasta docs-common/images/

     cd docs-common/images/
 cp watermark-en_US.svg watermark-pt_BR.svg
-

    Traduzir os elementostexto no SVG. Ent??o adicionar seu arquivo SVG local no Makefile, produzir o PNG e enviar (commit) no resultados:

    +

    Traduza os elementos textos do SVG. Ent??o adicione seu arquivo SVG local no Makefile, contrua o PNG e envie (commit) os resultados:

     make watermark-pt_BR.png
 cvs add watermark-pt_BR*
 cvs ci -m 'Added pt_BR images' Makefile watermark-pt_BR*


Index: sn_translating_software.php
===================================================================
RCS file: /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/translation-quick-start-guide/pt_BR/sn_translating_software.php,v
retrieving revision 1.4
retrieving revision 1.5
diff -u -r1.4 -r1.5
--- sn_translating_software.php	3 Apr 2007 13:07:20 -0000	1.4
+++ sn_translating_software.php	4 Apr 2007 15:02:20 -0000	1.5
@@ -11,7 +11,7 @@
 export CVS_RSH=ssh
 export CVSROOT=:ext:username@i18n.redhat.com:/use/local/CVS 
 cvs -z9 co translate/
-

    Esses comandos baixam todos os m??dulos e os arquivos .po para a sua m??quina seguindo a mesma hierarquia de diret??rios do reposit??rio. Cada diret??rio cont??m um arquivo .pot, como o anaconda.pot, e os arquivos .po para cada l??ngua, como o pt_BR.po, de.po, e assim por diante.

    Voc?? pode verificar o estado das tradu????es no endere??o http://i18n.redhat.com/cgi-bin/i18n-status. Escolha sua lingua no menu e verifique o estado das tradu????es. Selecione o pacote para ver o mantenedor e o nome do ??ltimo tradutor do m??dulo. Se voc?? quer traduzir um m??dulo, entre em contato com a lista espec??fica de sua lingua e avise a comunidade que ir?? trabalhar nesse m??dulo. Depois, selecione take na p??gina de status. O modulo ?? ent??o associado a voc??. Na solicita????o de senha, coloque a senha enviada a voc?? por e-mail quando solicitou a conta.

    [Nota]Requisitando uma P??gina de Estado da L??ngua

    Se sua l??ngua n??o estiver na lista de l??guas dispov??veis, selecione Other (Outro) e clique em Show Status (Mostrar Estado). Na pr??xima p??gina, selecione sua l??ngua e pressione Continue para mostrar seu interesse. Envie um e-mail para para expressar! seu i resse em traduzir o Fedora para a l??ngua selecionada.

    Voc?? pode ent??o come??ar a traduzir.

    3.1. Traduzir as Mensagens

    1. Mude o diret??rio para a localiza????o do pacote que voc?? pegou.

      +

      Esses comandos baixam todos os m??dulos e os arquivos .po para a sua m??quina seguindo a mesma hierarquia de diret??rios do reposit??rio. Cada diret??rio cont??m um arquivo .pot, como o anaconda.pot, e os arquivos .po para cada l??ngua, como o pt_BR.po, de.po, e assim por diante.

      Voc?? pode verificar o estado das tradu????es no endere??o http://i18n.redhat.com/cgi-bin/i18n-status. Escolha sua lingua no menu e verifique o estado das tradu????es. Selecione o pacote para ver o mantenedor e o nome do ??ltimo tradutor do m??dulo. Se voc?? quer traduzir um m??dulo, entre em contato com a lista espec??fica de sua lingua e avise a comunidade que ir?? trabalhar nesse m??dulo. Depois, selecione take na p??gina de status. O modulo ?? ent??o associado a voc??. Na solicita????o de senha, coloque a senha enviada a voc?? por e-mail quando solicitou a conta.

      [Nota]Requisitando uma P??gina de Estado da L??ngua

      Se sua l??ngua n??o estiver na lista de l??guas dispov??veis, selecione Other (Outro) e clique em Show Status (Mostrar Estado). Na pr??xima p??gina, selecione sua l??ngua e pressione Continue (Continuar) para mostrar seu interesse. Envie um e-mail para pa! ra exp sar seu interesse em traduzir o Fedora para a l??ngua selecionada.

      Voc?? pode ent??o come??ar a traduzir.

      3.1. Traduzir as Mensagens

      1. Mude o diret??rio para a localiza????o do pacote que voc?? pegou.

         cd ~/translate/package_name

      2. Atualize os arquivos com os seguintes comandos:

         cvs up
@@ -19,13 +19,13 @@
 msgmerge l??ngua.po package_name.pot > tempor??rio.po

      3. Checar a integridade do novo arquivo:

         msgfmt -cvo /dev/null tempor??rio.po
-

      4. Se nenhum erro aparecer, rode o seguinte comando para sobrescrever o lang.po com tmp.po:

        +

      5. Se nenhum erro aparecer, rode o seguinte comando para sobrescrever o l??ngua.po com tempor??rio.po:

         mv tempor??rio.po l??ngua.po

      6. Traduza o arquivo .po para sua l??ngua em um editor de arquivos .po como o KBabel ou o gtranslator. Por exemplo, para abrir o arquivo .po para o Espanhol no KBabel, digite:

         kbabel es.po

      7. Quando voc?? terminar o seu trabalho, envie as suas altera????es para o reposit??rio:

         cvs commit -m 'coment??rios' l??ngua.po
-

      8. Pressione o bot??o Release (libertar) para liberar o m??dulo para que outras pessoas possam trabalhar nele.

      3.2. Verifica????o Ortogr??fica

      Se voc?? quer verificar a ortografia de sua tradu????o, como parte da aplica????o, siga esses passos:

      1. V?? ao diret??rio do pacote que voc?? quer verificar a ortografia:

        +

      2. Pressione o bot??o Release para liberar o m??dulo para que outras pessoas possam trabalhar nele.

      3.2. Verifica????o Ortogr??fica

      Se voc?? quer verificar a ortografia de sua tradu????o, como parte da aplica????o, siga esses passos:

      1. V?? ao diret??rio do pacote que voc?? quer verificar a ortografia:

         cd ~/translate/package_name

      2. Converta o arquivo .po em um arquivo .mo com o commando msgfmt:

         msgfmt l??ngua.po



From mmcgrath at redhat.com  Thu Apr  5 14:51:24 2007
From: mmcgrath at redhat.com (Mike McGrath)
Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2007 09:51:24 -0500
Subject: Moin question
Message-ID: <46150CEC.9030909@redhat.com>

One way we could see immediate performance gain on the wiki is to delete 
old users.  I would like permission from both teams to do delete all 
users who

A) aren't in the edit group
B) aren't watching any pages

Presently there's 9,900 accounts on there.  Only 600 of which are 
actually in the edit group.  Since having an account, without edit or 
watching abilities is basically useless I'd like to just get rid of 
those accounts.  Nothing would prevent those people from signing up 
again if they chose to do so.

This is kind of a drastic measure, I realize, but I think its needed.

Thoughts?

    -Mike



From skvidal at linux.duke.edu  Thu Apr  5 14:55:04 2007
From: skvidal at linux.duke.edu (seth vidal)
Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2007 10:55:04 -0400
Subject: Moin question
In-Reply-To: <46150CEC.9030909@redhat.com>
References: <46150CEC.9030909@redhat.com>
Message-ID: <1175784904.19199.7.camel@cutter>

On Thu, 2007-04-05 at 09:51 -0500, Mike McGrath wrote:
> One way we could see immediate performance gain on the wiki is to delete 
> old users.  I would like permission from both teams to do delete all 
> users who
> 
> A) aren't in the edit group
> B) aren't watching any pages
> 
> Presently there's 9,900 accounts on there.  Only 600 of which are 
> actually in the edit group.  Since having an account, without edit or 
> watching abilities is basically useless I'd like to just get rid of 
> those accounts.  Nothing would prevent those people from signing up 
> again if they chose to do so.
> 
> This is kind of a drastic measure, I realize, but I think its needed.
> 
> Thoughts?

I thought we got rid of the EditGroup requirement for certain sets of
pages.

-sv




From kwade at redhat.com  Thu Apr  5 14:57:01 2007
From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten Wade)
Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2007 07:57:01 -0700
Subject: Moin question
In-Reply-To: <46150CEC.9030909@redhat.com>
References: <46150CEC.9030909@redhat.com>
Message-ID: <1175785022.31972.125.camel@erato.phig.org>

On Thu, 2007-04-05 at 09:51 -0500, Mike McGrath wrote:
> One way we could see immediate performance gain on the wiki is to delete 
> old users.  I would like permission from both teams to do delete all 
> users who
> 
> A) aren't in the edit group
> B) aren't watching any pages
> 
> Presently there's 9,900 accounts on there.  Only 600 of which are 
> actually in the edit group.  Since having an account, without edit or 
> watching abilities is basically useless I'd like to just get rid of 
> those accounts.  Nothing would prevent those people from signing up 
> again if they chose to do so.
> 
> This is kind of a drastic measure, I realize, but I think its needed.

Thoughts are:

* When we move to the click-through CLA, would we be able to force the
9300 users to click-through?

* Would we want to?  That would encourage people to agree to something
without knowing about it.

* So, if we are never going to push a click-through on those accounts,
they will have to be re-created anyway for a user to actually gain edit
privs.

* However, many people probably signed up thinking they could edit, then
learned they couldn't.

* People might be pissed if they got vaporized without some word about
it.

Therefore ....

1. Send an announcement (f-announce-l) that we are doing an account
audit and cleaning:
  * All account without watches and/or edit privs will be removed
  * The UserName shall be purged, so it is available again later
  * Link to page with more explanation.
2. Can we post for ... 24 hours?  48 hours? a short announcement
everywhere on the Wiki?  Change the theme or something so there is a
notice that points to a page explaining the above.

Otherwise, sounds like a wise idea to me.

- Karsten
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From kwade at redhat.com  Thu Apr  5 15:00:15 2007
From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten Wade)
Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2007 08:00:15 -0700
Subject: Moin question
In-Reply-To: <1175784904.19199.7.camel@cutter>
References: <46150CEC.9030909@redhat.com>  <1175784904.19199.7.camel@cutter>
Message-ID: <1175785215.31972.128.camel@erato.phig.org>

On Thu, 2007-04-05 at 10:55 -0400, seth vidal wrote:

> I thought we got rid of the EditGroup requirement for certain sets of
> pages.

Really?  What sets?

I didn't realize we had or wanted any content on fp.o/wiki that wasn't
covered by the CLA.

- Karsten
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From kwade at redhat.com  Thu Apr  5 15:02:42 2007
From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten Wade)
Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2007 08:02:42 -0700
Subject: RecentChanges size
In-Reply-To: <460A853B.3010408@glezos.com>
References: <460A853B.3010408@glezos.com>
Message-ID: <1175785362.31972.130.camel@erato.phig.org>

On Wed, 2007-03-28 at 16:09 +0100, Dimitris Glezos wrote:
> Hi.
> 
> I noticed that the RecentChanges page of the wiki lists the last month of
> changes. That's so big that my browser complains about a javascript that seems
> to get stalled. I guess it ain't good for the server either.
> 
> Maybe we should limit that page to 3 or 7 days, which is more likely the amount
> of changes people would like to see there? I'd say 3, since the choice to change
> it is on the top of the page.

3-days++

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From kwade at redhat.com  Thu Apr  5 15:04:13 2007
From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten Wade)
Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2007 08:04:13 -0700
Subject: Wiki Editing
In-Reply-To: <136c5afe0703230254h3b10feeel3e784c544390fa35@mail.gmail.com>
References: <136c5afe0703230254h3b10feeel3e784c544390fa35@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1175785453.31972.133.camel@erato.phig.org>

On Fri, 2007-03-23 at 09:54 +0000, Ryan Coleman wrote:
> I don't know if this is just me but every time i edit a page and go to
> save, the page is saved, the change is noted but the screen appears
> blank and a confirmation of the wiki page being edited is not shown
> nor is any other part of the page. 
> 
> Is this a bug or do you think this is me. At the time i was using a
> AppleMac with Firefox 2.0.0.3. 

Can you get a screenshot of this when it happens?  I can't visualize
what you are describing.

- Karsten
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From fedora at leemhuis.info  Thu Apr  5 15:05:37 2007
From: fedora at leemhuis.info (Thorsten Leemhuis)
Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2007 17:05:37 +0200
Subject: Moin question
In-Reply-To: <46150CEC.9030909@redhat.com>
References: <46150CEC.9030909@redhat.com>
Message-ID: <46151041.2020609@leemhuis.info>

Hi!

Mike McGrath schrieb:
> One way we could see immediate performance gain on the wiki is to delete 
> old users. [...]

I'd like to suggest another one: remove old Meeting logs from the wiki
and place them somewhere else. Searching for a string in the wiki takes
longer and longer every month and often finds a lots of old cruft from
old meeting logs.

There are so many old summaries and logs in the wiki from differnet
groups like Ambassadors, Board, EPEL, FESCo, QA, ..., and it gets more
and more every moths for a IMHO small gain. Maybe simply sending the
stuff to a mailing list and placing a link to the archive in the wiki
would be more then enough?

CU
thl




From a.badger at gmail.com  Thu Apr  5 16:48:14 2007
From: a.badger at gmail.com (Toshio Kuratomi)
Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2007 09:48:14 -0700
Subject: Moin question
In-Reply-To: <1175785215.31972.128.camel@erato.phig.org>
References: <46150CEC.9030909@redhat.com>  <1175784904.19199.7.camel@cutter>
	<1175785215.31972.128.camel@erato.phig.org>
Message-ID: <1175791694.30064.44.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Thu, 2007-04-05 at 08:00 -0700, Karsten Wade wrote:
> On Thu, 2007-04-05 at 10:55 -0400, seth vidal wrote:
> 
> > I thought we got rid of the EditGroup requirement for certain sets of
> > pages.
> 
> Really?  What sets?
> 
> I didn't realize we had or wanted any content on fp.o/wiki that wasn't
> covered by the CLA.
> 
I think some of the pages that are being used to request changes are
like this.  For instance:
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/EditGroupQueue

I don't know if there are others pages like this; I do know that
CVSSyncNeeded has since been moved into a process based around Bugzilla.

-Toshio
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From tchung at fedoraproject.org  Thu Apr  5 17:36:56 2007
From: tchung at fedoraproject.org (Thomas Chung)
Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 10:36:56 -0700
Subject: Moin question
In-Reply-To: <1175785022.31972.125.camel@erato.phig.org>
References: <46150CEC.9030909@redhat.com>
	<1175785022.31972.125.camel@erato.phig.org>
Message-ID: <369bce3b0704051036v5e01d5cerfb84cc83e45f22e2@mail.gmail.com>

On 4/5/07, Karsten Wade  wrote:
> 1. Send an announcement (f-announce-l) that we are doing an account
> audit and cleaning:
>   * All account without watches and/or edit privs will be removed
>   * The UserName shall be purged, so it is available again later
>   * Link to page with more explanation.
> 2. Can we post for ... 24 hours?  48 hours? a short announcement
> everywhere on the Wiki?  Change the theme or something so there is a
> notice that points to a page explaining the above.

Soulds like a good plan.
+1
-- 
Thomas Chung
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung



From skvidal at linux.duke.edu  Thu Apr  5 18:13:14 2007
From: skvidal at linux.duke.edu (seth vidal)
Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2007 14:13:14 -0400
Subject: Moin question
In-Reply-To: <1175785215.31972.128.camel@erato.phig.org>
References: <46150CEC.9030909@redhat.com>  <1175784904.19199.7.camel@cutter>
	<1175785215.31972.128.camel@erato.phig.org>
Message-ID: <1175796794.19199.30.camel@cutter>

On Thu, 2007-04-05 at 08:00 -0700, Karsten Wade wrote:
> On Thu, 2007-04-05 at 10:55 -0400, seth vidal wrote:
> 
> > I thought we got rid of the EditGroup requirement for certain sets of
> > pages.
> 
> Really?  What sets?
> 

I reserve the right to be wrong :)

> I didn't realize we had or wanted any content on fp.o/wiki that wasn't
> covered by the CLA.

I thought we wanted to get people to editing quickly w/o jumping through
all the hoops. Wouldn't that preclude EditGroup addition?

-sv




From mmcgrath at redhat.com  Thu Apr  5 18:23:41 2007
From: mmcgrath at redhat.com (Mike McGrath)
Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2007 13:23:41 -0500
Subject: Moin question
In-Reply-To: <1175796794.19199.30.camel@cutter>
References: <46150CEC.9030909@redhat.com>
	<1175784904.19199.7.camel@cutter>	<1175785215.31972.128.camel@erato.phig.org>
	<1175796794.19199.30.camel@cutter>
Message-ID: <46153EAD.7030307@redhat.com>

seth vidal wrote:
> On Thu, 2007-04-05 at 08:00 -0700, Karsten Wade wrote:
>   
>> On Thu, 2007-04-05 at 10:55 -0400, seth vidal wrote:
>>
>>     
>>> I thought we got rid of the EditGroup requirement for certain sets of
>>> pages.
>>>       
>> Really?  What sets?
>>
>>     
>
> I reserve the right to be wrong :)
>
>   
>> I didn't realize we had or wanted any content on fp.o/wiki that wasn't
>> covered by the CLA.
>>     
>
> I thought we wanted to get people to editing quickly w/o jumping through
> all the hoops. Wouldn't that preclude EditGroup addition?
>
> -sv
>
>   
And really, the spirit of this is "We're having a problem so we're 
getting rid of accounts.  If you want to, sign back up"  So, in theory, 
we're not preventing anyone from doing anything, at worst they'll just 
have to sign up again.

    -Mike



From skvidal at linux.duke.edu  Thu Apr  5 18:28:57 2007
From: skvidal at linux.duke.edu (seth vidal)
Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2007 14:28:57 -0400
Subject: Moin question
In-Reply-To: <46153EAD.7030307@redhat.com>
References: <46150CEC.9030909@redhat.com>  <1175784904.19199.7.camel@cutter>
	<1175785215.31972.128.camel@erato.phig.org>
	<1175796794.19199.30.camel@cutter>  <46153EAD.7030307@redhat.com>
Message-ID: <1175797737.19199.33.camel@cutter>

On Thu, 2007-04-05 at 13:23 -0500, Mike McGrath wrote:
> seth vidal wrote:
> > On Thu, 2007-04-05 at 08:00 -0700, Karsten Wade wrote:
> >   
> >> On Thu, 2007-04-05 at 10:55 -0400, seth vidal wrote:
> >>
> >>     
> >>> I thought we got rid of the EditGroup requirement for certain sets of
> >>> pages.
> >>>       
> >> Really?  What sets?
> >>
> >>     
> >
> > I reserve the right to be wrong :)
> >
> >   
> >> I didn't realize we had or wanted any content on fp.o/wiki that wasn't
> >> covered by the CLA.
> >>     
> >
> > I thought we wanted to get people to editing quickly w/o jumping through
> > all the hoops. Wouldn't that preclude EditGroup addition?
> >
> > -sv
> >
> >   
> And really, the spirit of this is "We're having a problem so we're 
> getting rid of accounts.  If you want to, sign back up"  So, in theory, 
> we're not preventing anyone from doing anything, at worst they'll just 
> have to sign up again.

I agree, though I think Karsten has a point. Let people know it'll
happen.

-sv




From fedora-websites-list at redhat.com  Fri Apr  6 04:48:27 2007
From: fedora-websites-list at redhat.com (Matt Domsch (mdomsch))
Date: Fri,  6 Apr 2007 00:48:27 -0400
Subject: web/html/Download/mirrors updates-released-fc5, 1.32,
	1.33 updates-released-fc6, 1.19, 1.20
Message-ID: <200704060448.l364mRvC008322@cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com>

Author: mdomsch

Update of /cvs/fedora/web/html/Download/mirrors
In directory cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv8303

Modified Files:
	updates-released-fc5 updates-released-fc6 
Log Message:
added jur-linux.org by request of  Florian La Roche 


Index: updates-released-fc5
===================================================================
RCS file: /cvs/fedora/web/html/Download/mirrors/updates-released-fc5,v
retrieving revision 1.32
retrieving revision 1.33
diff -u -r1.32 -r1.33
--- updates-released-fc5	29 Mar 2007 13:45:39 -0000	1.32
+++ updates-released-fc5	6 Apr 2007 04:48:24 -0000	1.33
@@ -67,3 +67,4 @@
 http://fedora.ifc.unam.mx/fedora/updates/5/$ARCH/
 http://ftp.kaist.ac.kr/pub/fedora/linux/core/updates/5/$ARCH/
 ftp://ftp.is.co.za/linux/distributions/fedora/linux/core/updates/5/$ARCH/
+http://www.jur-linux.org/download/fedora/updates/5/$ARCH/


Index: updates-released-fc6
===================================================================
RCS file: /cvs/fedora/web/html/Download/mirrors/updates-released-fc6,v
retrieving revision 1.19
retrieving revision 1.20
diff -u -r1.19 -r1.20
--- updates-released-fc6	29 Mar 2007 13:45:39 -0000	1.19
+++ updates-released-fc6	6 Apr 2007 04:48:24 -0000	1.20
@@ -69,3 +69,4 @@
 http://fedora.ifc.unam.mx/fedora/updates/6/$ARCH/
 http://ftp.kaist.ac.kr/pub/fedora/linux/core/updates/6/$ARCH/
 ftp://ftp.is.co.za/linux/distributions/fedora/linux/core/updates/6/$ARCH/
+http://www.jur-linux.org/download/fedora/updates/6/$ARCH/



From kwade at redhat.com  Sat Apr  7 06:14:56 2007
From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten Wade)
Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2007 23:14:56 -0700
Subject: Moin question
In-Reply-To: <46151041.2020609@leemhuis.info>
References: <46150CEC.9030909@redhat.com>  <46151041.2020609@leemhuis.info>
Message-ID: <1175926496.3347.90.camel@erato.phig.org>

On Thu, 2007-04-05 at 17:05 +0200, Thorsten Leemhuis wrote:
> Maybe simply sending the
> stuff to a mailing list and placing a link to the archive in the wiki
> would be more then enough?

With a few meetings excepted, that is what we have done in FDSCo from
the start.  It saves steps and is easy.  Sounds like it might be a good
policy for all.

- Karsten
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From kwade at redhat.com  Sat Apr  7 06:22:13 2007
From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten Wade)
Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2007 23:22:13 -0700
Subject: Moin question
In-Reply-To: <1175796794.19199.30.camel@cutter>
References: <46150CEC.9030909@redhat.com>  <1175784904.19199.7.camel@cutter>
	<1175785215.31972.128.camel@erato.phig.org>
	<1175796794.19199.30.camel@cutter>
Message-ID: <1175926933.3347.98.camel@erato.phig.org>

On Thu, 2007-04-05 at 14:13 -0400, seth vidal wrote:

> I thought we wanted to get people to editing quickly w/o jumping through
> all the hoops. Wouldn't that preclude EditGroup addition?

You are just a few steps ahead, that is all.  I got the lawyer-based
permission and guidelines for using a click-through CLA for the Wiki.
When that is setup, we can stop using EditGroup for the site-wide ACLs.

When ... uh, whenever we get to it.  I feel guilty every time I see an
addition to EditGroup, but this one is a little lower on the current
priorities.  Still, what needs to be done is:

* Click-through page enabled for new users -- must check "Agree" and
then submit the form.
* Click-through page is (probably) an Include() of the CLA contents
itself -- not very proc intensive to do that, since people only see that
page when they create their account.
* Confirm that ACLs for special areas (Docs/) are working.

Anything else?  Other than tell people and celebrate?

The dividing line between "click-through is OK" and "need to GPG-sign"
is if the user has the ability to put content directly into a content
storage system from where it goes into a package (then into an ISO.)
So, we can leave Docs/Beats/ open to click-through CLAers because that
content is edited before going into CVS (and a package), all done by
people who have signed the CLA with a GPG key.  This is analogous to
patches and such that come in via mailing lists and bugzilla.  The
special locations such as Docs/ are Wiki-based publishing points, so
Docs Project contributor guidelines come into play.

- Karsten
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From fedora at leemhuis.info  Sat Apr  7 12:36:42 2007
From: fedora at leemhuis.info (Thorsten Leemhuis)
Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2007 14:36:42 +0200
Subject: Moin question
In-Reply-To: <1175926496.3347.90.camel@erato.phig.org>
References: <46150CEC.9030909@redhat.com> <46151041.2020609@leemhuis.info>
	<1175926496.3347.90.camel@erato.phig.org>
Message-ID: <4617905A.5090405@leemhuis.info>



Karsten Wade schrieb:
> On Thu, 2007-04-05 at 17:05 +0200, Thorsten Leemhuis wrote:
>> Maybe simply sending the
>> stuff to a mailing list and placing a link to the archive in the wiki
>> would be more then enough?
> 
> With a few meetings excepted, that is what we have done in FDSCo from
> the start.

I started to do it for like that for EPEL one week ago.

>  It saves steps and is easy.

+1

>  Sounds like it might be a good policy for all.

+1 -- how has the authority to issue such a policy?

CU
thl



From stickster at gmail.com  Sat Apr  7 12:39:47 2007
From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields)
Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2007 08:39:47 -0400
Subject: Moin question
In-Reply-To: <1175785022.31972.125.camel@erato.phig.org>
References: <46150CEC.9030909@redhat.com>
	<1175785022.31972.125.camel@erato.phig.org>
Message-ID: <1175949587.12735.2.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Thu, 2007-04-05 at 07:57 -0700, Karsten Wade wrote:
> Therefore ....
> 
> 1. Send an announcement (f-announce-l) that we are doing an account
> audit and cleaning:
>   * All account without watches and/or edit privs will be removed
>   * The UserName shall be purged, so it is available again later
>   * Link to page with more explanation.
> 2. Can we post for ... 24 hours?  48 hours? a short announcement
> everywhere on the Wiki?  Change the theme or something so there is a
> notice that points to a page explaining the above.
> 
> Otherwise, sounds like a wise idea to me.

Can I be a stick in the mud for a sec, and suggest that we send the
email straight to the recipients?  I know list posting is faster and
easier, but I fear we are relying on f-announce-l for things that should
be handled personally with account-holders.  The reply-to should be set
to a bit-bucket, with a statement to that effect in an end note.

Many of these 9,000+ accounts are obviously going to be from people who
aren't subscribed to f-announce-l, and therefore we aren't really
playing nice by announcing there.  When my account changes with any Web
presence, they send me a "personal" email; we should do the same.

-- 
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From mmcgrath at redhat.com  Sat Apr  7 14:18:37 2007
From: mmcgrath at redhat.com (Mike McGrath)
Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2007 09:18:37 -0500
Subject: Moin question
In-Reply-To: <1175949587.12735.2.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <46150CEC.9030909@redhat.com>	<1175785022.31972.125.camel@erato.phig.org>
	<1175949587.12735.2.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <4617A83D.4000108@redhat.com>

Paul W. Frields wrote:
> Many of these 9,000+ accounts are obviously going to be from people who
> aren't subscribed to f-announce-l, and therefore we aren't really
> playing nice by announcing there.  When my account changes with any Web
> presence, they send me a "personal" email; we should do the same.
>   
I think this is how I would prefer it.  We might have a higher retake 
rate but we'll probably have fewer complaints.


    -Mike



From mmcgrath at redhat.com  Sat Apr  7 15:16:19 2007
From: mmcgrath at redhat.com (Mike McGrath)
Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2007 10:16:19 -0500
Subject: Moin question
In-Reply-To: <46151041.2020609@leemhuis.info>
References: <46150CEC.9030909@redhat.com> <46151041.2020609@leemhuis.info>
Message-ID: <4617B5C3.4080408@redhat.com>

Thorsten Leemhuis wrote:
> Hi!
>
> Mike McGrath schrieb:
>   
>> One way we could see immediate performance gain on the wiki is to delete 
>> old users. [...]
>>     
>
> I'd like to suggest another one: remove old Meeting logs from the wiki
> and place them somewhere else. Searching for a string in the wiki takes
> longer and longer every month and often finds a lots of old cruft from
> old meeting logs.
>   
I have done a little research on this part and I don't think we'd get 
much of a gain performance wise.  It would clean things up a bit.

Interestingly, we have more users (9989) on Moin then we have pages (7214)

    -Mike



From fedora at leemhuis.info  Sat Apr  7 15:36:23 2007
From: fedora at leemhuis.info (Thorsten Leemhuis)
Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2007 17:36:23 +0200
Subject: Moin question
In-Reply-To: <4617B5C3.4080408@redhat.com>
References: <46150CEC.9030909@redhat.com> <46151041.2020609@leemhuis.info>
	<4617B5C3.4080408@redhat.com>
Message-ID: <4617BA77.1030104@leemhuis.info>

Mike McGrath schrieb:
> Thorsten Leemhuis wrote:
>> Mike McGrath schrieb:
>>> One way we could see immediate performance gain on the wiki is to delete 
>>> old users. [...]
>> I'd like to suggest another one: remove old Meeting logs from the wiki
>> and place them somewhere else. Searching for a string in the wiki takes
>> longer and longer every month and often finds a lots of old cruft from
>> old meeting logs.
> I have done a little research on this part and I don't think we'd get 
> much of a gain performance wise.  It would clean things up a bit.

Especially the latter thing seems important to me, as searching for
stuff in the wiki these days often afaics finds more often uninteresting
meeting minutes then then what you really look for.

> Interestingly, we have more users (9989) on Moin then we have pages (7214)

Well, but if we add logs from
- FESCo
- EPEL
- Ambassadors
- Docs
- FPC (those add two pages per meeting)
- some other projects I forget just now

each week then the number of pages will increase to much over time IMHO.

CU
thl



From mmcgrath at redhat.com  Mon Apr  9 03:25:27 2007
From: mmcgrath at redhat.com (Mike McGrath)
Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2007 22:25:27 -0500
Subject: Moin question
In-Reply-To: <1175926933.3347.98.camel@erato.phig.org>
References: <46150CEC.9030909@redhat.com>
	<1175784904.19199.7.camel@cutter>	<1175785215.31972.128.camel@erato.phig.org>	<1175796794.19199.30.camel@cutter>
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Karsten Wade wrote:
> On Thu, 2007-04-05 at 14:13 -0400, seth vidal wrote:
>
>   
>> I thought we wanted to get people to editing quickly w/o jumping through
>> all the hoops. Wouldn't that preclude EditGroup addition?
>>     
>
> You are just a few steps ahead, that is all.  I got the lawyer-based
> permission and guidelines for using a click-through CLA for the Wiki.
> When that is setup, we can stop using EditGroup for the site-wide ACLs.
>
> When ... uh, whenever we get to it.  I feel guilty every time I see an
> addition to EditGroup, but this one is a little lower on the current
> priorities.  Still, what needs to be done is:
>
> * Click-through page enabled for new users -- must check "Agree" and
> then submit the form.
> * Click-through page is (probably) an Include() of the CLA contents
> itself -- not very proc intensive to do that, since people only see that
> page when they create their account.
> * Confirm that ACLs for special areas (Docs/) are working.
>
> Anything else?  Other than tell people and celebrate?
>
> The dividing line between "click-through is OK" and "need to GPG-sign"
> is if the user has the ability to put content directly into a content
> storage system from where it goes into a package (then into an ISO.)
> So, we can leave Docs/Beats/ open to click-through CLAers because that
> content is edited before going into CVS (and a package), all done by
> people who have signed the CLA with a GPG key.  This is analogous to
> patches and such that come in via mailing lists and bugzilla.  The
> special locations such as Docs/ are Wiki-based publishing points, so
> Docs Project contributor guidelines come into play.
>
>   

FYI All:  I did a test on this this weekend and my page save was about 
17 seconds, a pretty significant difference.  So here's the plan.

1) Grab a list of all the users to be removed (Users not in EditGroup 
and not watching any pages)
2) Send a mass email of notification of removal and why
3) Remove users (will make a backup)
4) Enjoy our much faster but still slow save pages.

    -Mike



From nman64 at n-man.com  Mon Apr  9 04:33:38 2007
From: nman64 at n-man.com (Patrick W. Barnes)
Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2007 23:33:38 -0500
Subject: Moin question
In-Reply-To: <4617905A.5090405@leemhuis.info>
References: <46150CEC.9030909@redhat.com>
	<1175926496.3347.90.camel@erato.phig.org>
	<4617905A.5090405@leemhuis.info>
Message-ID: <200704082333.40866.nman64@n-man.com>

On Saturday 07 April 2007, Thorsten Leemhuis wrote:
> Karsten Wade schrieb:
> > On Thu, 2007-04-05 at 17:05 +0200, Thorsten Leemhuis wrote:
> >> Maybe simply sending the
> >> stuff to a mailing list and placing a link to the archive in the wiki
> >> would be more then enough?
> >
,,,
>
> +1 -- how has the authority to issue such a policy?
>

If nobody has any big reason against it, we can call it policy right now.  We 
just have to make sure that the people posting the meeting minutes are aware 
of it.  :-)

-- 
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From thomas.canniot at fedoraproject.org  Mon Apr  9 08:34:29 2007
From: thomas.canniot at fedoraproject.org (Thomas Canniot)
Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 10:34:29 +0200
Subject: Moin question
In-Reply-To: <200704082333.40866.nman64@n-man.com>
References: <46150CEC.9030909@redhat.com>
	<1175926496.3347.90.camel@erato.phig.org>
	<4617905A.5090405@leemhuis.info>
	<200704082333.40866.nman64@n-man.com>
Message-ID: <20070409103429.02407d1a@localhost.localdomain>

Le Sun, 8 Apr 2007 23:33:38 -0500,
"Patrick W. Barnes"  a ?crit :

> On Saturday 07 April 2007, Thorsten Leemhuis wrote:
> > Karsten Wade schrieb:
> > > On Thu, 2007-04-05 at 17:05 +0200, Thorsten Leemhuis wrote:
> > >> Maybe simply sending the
> > >> stuff to a mailing list and placing a link to the archive in the
> > >> wiki would be more then enough?
> > >
> ,,,
> >
> > +1 -- how has the authority to issue such a policy?
> >
> 
> If nobody has any big reason against it, we can call it policy right
> now.  We just have to make sure that the people posting the meeting
> minutes are aware of it.  :-)
> 


Ok then a new mailing list will be created I guess.

However, please reconsider sending a personal mail to every inactive
users. Sending a massive personal mail to people that did not checked a
box saying that they agree receiving mails from someone is considered as
spam. You could be reproached for this action.

Thomas Canniot



From mmcgrath at redhat.com  Mon Apr  9 13:45:33 2007
From: mmcgrath at redhat.com (Mike McGrath)
Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2007 08:45:33 -0500
Subject: Moin question
In-Reply-To: <20070409103429.02407d1a@localhost.localdomain>
References: <46150CEC.9030909@redhat.com>	<1175926496.3347.90.camel@erato.phig.org>	<4617905A.5090405@leemhuis.info>	<200704082333.40866.nman64@n-man.com>
	<20070409103429.02407d1a@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <461A437D.7050204@redhat.com>

Thomas Canniot wrote:
> Le Sun, 8 Apr 2007 23:33:38 -0500,
> "Patrick W. Barnes"  a ?crit :
>
>   
>> On Saturday 07 April 2007, Thorsten Leemhuis wrote:
>>     
>>> Karsten Wade schrieb:
>>>       
>>>> On Thu, 2007-04-05 at 17:05 +0200, Thorsten Leemhuis wrote:
>>>>         
>>>>> Maybe simply sending the
>>>>> stuff to a mailing list and placing a link to the archive in the
>>>>> wiki would be more then enough?
>>>>>           
>> ,,,
>>     
>>> +1 -- how has the authority to issue such a policy?
>>>
>>>       
>> If nobody has any big reason against it, we can call it policy right
>> now.  We just have to make sure that the people posting the meeting
>> minutes are aware of it.  :-)
>>
>>     
>
>
> Ok then a new mailing list will be created I guess.
>   
The current mailing lists for each group should do just fine.
> However, please reconsider sending a personal mail to every inactive
> users. Sending a massive personal mail to people that did not checked a
> box saying that they agree receiving mails from someone is considered as
> spam. You could be reproached for this action.
>   
Considered, going to do it anyway.  This is literally a one time email 
letting them know they're being removed (in other words no other emails 
will be sent).  I'm not going to mass delete users without letting them 
know.

    -Mike



From stickster at gmail.com  Mon Apr  9 23:43:40 2007
From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields)
Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2007 19:43:40 -0400
Subject: Moin question
In-Reply-To: <20070409103429.02407d1a@localhost.localdomain>
References: <46150CEC.9030909@redhat.com>
	<1175926496.3347.90.camel@erato.phig.org>
	<4617905A.5090405@leemhuis.info>
	<200704082333.40866.nman64@n-man.com>
	<20070409103429.02407d1a@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <1176162220.4166.23.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Mon, 2007-04-09 at 10:34 +0200, Thomas Canniot wrote:
> Le Sun, 8 Apr 2007 23:33:38 -0500,
> "Patrick W. Barnes"  a ?crit :
> 
> > On Saturday 07 April 2007, Thorsten Leemhuis wrote:
> > > Karsten Wade schrieb:
> > > > On Thu, 2007-04-05 at 17:05 +0200, Thorsten Leemhuis wrote:
> > > >> Maybe simply sending the
> > > >> stuff to a mailing list and placing a link to the archive in the
> > > >> wiki would be more then enough?
> > > >
> > ,,,
> > >
> > > +1 -- how has the authority to issue such a policy?
> > >
> > 
> > If nobody has any big reason against it, we can call it policy right
> > now.  We just have to make sure that the people posting the meeting
> > minutes are aware of it.  :-)
> > 
> 
> 
> Ok then a new mailing list will be created I guess.
> 
> However, please reconsider sending a personal mail to every inactive
> users. Sending a massive personal mail to people that did not checked a
> box saying that they agree receiving mails from someone is considered as
> spam. You could be reproached for this action.

Not if the privacy policy[1] gets out of the draft state.  The policy
explicitly states that we can use account information to contact the
account holder regarding their account.  Was this held up in legal?  If
not, what's the status?

= = = = =
[1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Legal/PrivacyPolicy 

-- 
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  gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233  5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717
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From dimitris at glezos.com  Tue Apr 10 00:45:00 2007
From: dimitris at glezos.com (Dimitris Glezos)
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 01:45:00 +0100
Subject: 404 in most f.r.c web pages
Message-ID: <461ADE0C.9060608@glezos.com>


Hey all.

By visiting http://i18n.redhat.com/cgi-bin/i18n-signup/ I tried to view a bunch
of fedora.redhat.com pages and they all return 404:

 * http://fedora.redhat.com/participate/
 * http://fedora.redhat.com/about/
 * http://fedora.redhat.com/projects/artwork/
 * http://fedora.redhat.com/legal/
 * http://fedora.redhat.com/about/trademarks/

I remember manually redirecting all these to the corresponding wiki pages a
while back; when we said "nuke" we actually meant "nuke to the bone"?

http://i18n.redhat.com/cgi-bin/i18n-signup/ still looks like the old site and so
does http://download.fedora.redhat.com/.

-d


-- 
Dimitris Glezos
Jabber ID: glezos at jabber.org, GPG: 0xA5A04C3B
http://dimitris.glezos.com/

"He who gives up functionality for ease of use
loses both and deserves neither." (Anonymous)
-- 



From mmcgrath at redhat.com  Wed Apr 11 18:05:37 2007
From: mmcgrath at redhat.com (Mike McGrath)
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 13:05:37 -0500
Subject: Brief moin outage
Message-ID: <461D2371.4000007@redhat.com>

There will be a brief moin outage this evening while I move the primary 
moin server to a beefier box.

    -Mike



From kwade at redhat.com  Thu Apr 12 00:32:30 2007
From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten Wade)
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 17:32:30 -0700
Subject: 404 in most f.r.c web pages
In-Reply-To: <461ADE0C.9060608@glezos.com>
References: <461ADE0C.9060608@glezos.com>
Message-ID: <1176337950.5208.140.camel@erato.phig.org>

On Tue, 2007-04-10 at 01:45 +0100, Dimitris Glezos wrote:
> Hey all.
> 
> By visiting http://i18n.redhat.com/cgi-bin/i18n-signup/ I tried to view a bunch
> of fedora.redhat.com pages and they all return 404:
> 
>  * http://fedora.redhat.com/participate/
>  * http://fedora.redhat.com/about/
>  * http://fedora.redhat.com/projects/artwork/
>  * http://fedora.redhat.com/legal/
>  * http://fedora.redhat.com/about/trademarks/

Where should each of these go to?

We're basically installing redirects where needed, aiui.

> I remember manually redirecting all these to the corresponding wiki pages a
> while back; when we said "nuke" we actually meant "nuke to the bone"?

Because there isn't a 1:1 structure, we couldn't make a rule to redirect
URL-A/$1 to URL-B/$1.

> http://i18n.redhat.com/cgi-bin/i18n-signup/ still looks like the old site and so
> does http://download.fedora.redhat.com/.

Maybe Mike will have better luck getting any kind of changes made on
those sites.  If we have a specific patch that can be applied, for
example, that is more likely to get us success.

- Karsten
-- 
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From kwade at redhat.com  Thu Apr 12 00:40:15 2007
From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten Wade)
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 17:40:15 -0700
Subject: Moin question
In-Reply-To: <1176162220.4166.23.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <46150CEC.9030909@redhat.com>
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On Mon, 2007-04-09 at 19:43 -0400, Paul W. Frields wrote:

> Not if the privacy policy[1] gets out of the draft state.  The policy
> explicitly states that we can use account information to contact the
> account holder regarding their account.  

I think I've seen this in every privacy policy.  Also seems courteous.

> Was this held up in legal?  If
> not, what's the status?

I don't think I've heard anything about this since I asked on f-a-b last
October:

http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-advisory-board/2006-October/msg00014.html

IMO, this is something that Max (and Greg) need to get resolved.

- Karsten
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From mmcgrath at redhat.com  Thu Apr 12 17:46:29 2007
From: mmcgrath at redhat.com (Mike McGrath)
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 12:46:29 -0500
Subject: wiki outage
Message-ID: <461E7075.2080900@redhat.com>

The wiki is having an outage, we're working on it.  Should be up soon.  
We suspect our issues are because of mod_python.  The moin developers 
suggest not using it.  So we'll go back to cgi (slow) and deal with it 
(stable).

    -Mike



From mmcgrath at redhat.com  Thu Apr 12 22:57:15 2007
From: mmcgrath at redhat.com (Mike McGrath)
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 17:57:15 -0500
Subject: wiki outage
In-Reply-To: <461E7075.2080900@redhat.com>
References: <461E7075.2080900@redhat.com>
Message-ID: <461EB94B.4030303@redhat.com>

Mike McGrath wrote:
> The wiki is having an outage, we're working on it.  Should be up 
> soon.  We suspect our issues are because of mod_python.  The moin 
> developers suggest not using it.  So we'll go back to cgi (slow) and 
> deal with it (stable).

Ok, so that experiment lasted almost 5 minutes :-)  The box crapped out 
just after it hit a load around 200.  We had a whole team of sysadmins 
in #fedora-admin and did some things including enabling keep alive (no 
one even remembers why it was off) but also lowering the number of 
MaxRequestsPerChild significantly.  We were also working with the Moin 
developers to get this going. 

The moin developers suggested using mod_fastCGI, but it has an 
unfriendly license at present.   So we're back to mod_python for the 
moment (other things were suggested and will be tested if we're still 
seeing issues).  Things seem to be going well though, load is low,  the 
box doesn't seem to be swapping much.  We'll have to keep an eye on it 
and see how everything goes.

Anyone interested in any of the tests we ran and things we changed let 
me know.  We're just going to let it be for a while and if, in fact, we 
have fixed the issue then we'll migrate that back to the other app 
servers (its currently going proxy -> app server no balancing)

    -Mike



From fedora-websites-list at redhat.com  Thu Apr 12 23:30:52 2007
From: fedora-websites-list at redhat.com (Paul W. Frields (pfrields))
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 19:30:52 -0400
Subject: web/html/docs/translation-quick-start-guide/sv index.php, 1.1,
	1.2 ln-legalnotice-opl.php, 1.1, 1.2 rv-revhistory.php, 1.1,
	1.2 sn_accounts.php, 1.1, 1.2 sn_translating_docs.php, 1.1,
	1.2 sn_translating_software.php, 1.1, 1.2
Message-ID: <200704122330.l3CNUqUf017851@cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com>

Author: pfrields

Update of /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/translation-quick-start-guide/sv
In directory cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv17827

Modified Files:
	index.php ln-legalnotice-opl.php rv-revhistory.php 
	sn_accounts.php sn_translating_docs.php 
	sn_translating_software.php 
Log Message:
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        3.1. Översätta strängar
        3.2. Korrekturläsning
        4. Översätta dokumentation
        4.1. Ladda ner dokumentation
        4.2. Skapa gemensamma filer
        4.3. Använda översättningsprogram
        Denna handledning är en snabb, enkel, steg-för-steg uppsättning av instruktioner för att översätta mjukvara och dokument i Fedora Project. Om du är intresserad av att få bättre förståelse för översättningsprocessen som används, gå till Översättningshandledningen eller manualen för det specifika översättningsverktyget.
           Nästa
           2. Konton och prenumerationer
        
 displayFooter('$Date$');


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+++ ln-legalnotice-opl.php	12 Apr 2007 23:30:50 -0000	1.2
@@ -11,7 +11,7 @@
     Permission is granted to copy, distribute, and/or modify this
     document under the terms of the Open Publication Licence, Version
     1.0, or any later version. The terms of the OPL are set out below.
-  
        1. REQUIREMENTS ON BOTH UNMODIFIED AND MODIFIED
+  
          1. REQUIREMENTS ON BOTH UNMODIFIED AND MODIFIED
 	VERSIONS
            
 	Open Publication works may be reproduced and distributed in
 	whole or in part, in any medium physical or electronic, provided
@@ -37,10 +37,10 @@
 	surfaces of the book the original publisher's name shall be as
 	large as the title of the work and cited as possessive with
 	respect to the title.
-      
          2. COPYRIGHT
            
+      
          3. COPYRIGHT
            
 	The copyright to each Open Publication is owned by its author(s)
 	or designee.
-      
          4. SCOPE OF LICENSE
            
+      
          5. SCOPE OF LICENSE
            
 	The following license terms apply to all Open Publication works,
 	unless otherwise explicitly stated in the document.
       
            
@@ -60,7 +60,7 @@
 	including, but not limited to, the implied warranties of
 	merchantability and fitness for a particular purpose or a
 	warranty of non-infringement.
-      
          6. REQUIREMENTS ON MODIFIED WORKS
            
+      
          7. REQUIREMENTS ON MODIFIED WORKS
            
 	All modified versions of documents covered by this license,
 	including translations, anthologies, compilations and partial
 	documents, must meet the following requirements:
@@ -80,7 +80,7 @@
 	    The original author's (or authors') name(s) may not be used
 	    to assert or imply endorsement of the resulting document
 	    without the original author's (or authors') permission.
-	  
        2. GOOD-PRACTICE RECOMMENDATIONS
          
+

      3. GOOD-PRACTICE RECOMMENDATIONS

        In addition to the requirements of this license, it is requested from and strongly recommended of redistributors that:

        1. @@ -99,7 +99,7 @@ considered good form to offer a free copy of any hardcopy and CD-ROM expression of an Open Publication-licensed work to its author(s). -

      4. LICENSE OPTIONS

        +

    2. LICENSE OPTIONS

      The author(s) and/or publisher of an Open Publication-licensed document may elect certain options by appending language to the reference to or copy of the license. These options are Index: rv-revhistory.php =================================================================== RCS file: /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/translation-quick-start-guide/sv/rv-revhistory.php,v retrieving revision 1.1 retrieving revision 1.2 diff -u -r1.1 -r1.2 --- rv-revhistory.php 17 Oct 2006 01:58:55 -0000 1.1 +++ rv-revhistory.php 12 Apr 2007 23:30:50 -0000 1.2 @@ -7,70 +7,74 @@ ?> -

      Revisionshistorik
      Revision 0.3.72006-10-14PWF
      +
      Revisionshistorik
      Revision 0.3.7.12007-04-03
      +

      + Generera ny POT och PO för att behålla generella entitetere +

      +
      Revision 0.3.72006-10-14

      Fixade felaktig URL (#209900)

      -
      Revision 0.3.62006-09-20MO
      +
      Revision 0.3.62006-09-20

      Felrättningar (#198726, #204266, #205167)

      -
      Revision 0.3.52006-08-14PWF
      +
      Revision 0.3.52006-08-14

      Redigerarsteg, se över procedur så att den matchar rätt ordning

      -
      Revision 0.3.42006-08-10MO
      +
      Revision 0.3.42006-08-10

      Ytterligare information om hur du går med i Docs Project och GPG.

      -
      Revision 0.3.32006-08-06PWF
      +
      Revision 0.3.32006-08-06

      Ta bort steg för att översätta rpm-info eftersom den nu är del av dokument-POT

      -
      Revision 0.3.22006-07-03PWF
      +
      Revision 0.3.22006-07-03

      Fixa proceduren för översättning av dokument till att inkludera andra vanliga översättningar av filer

      -
      Revision 0.3.12006-05-28PWF
      +
      Revision 0.3.12006-05-28

      Lägg till information om vanliga entiteter och varningar för inaktiva lokaler

      -
      Revision 0.32006-05-27PWF
      +
      Revision 0.32006-05-27

      Fixa procedurell handledning och inkludera dokument-specfika entiteter

      -
      Revision 0.2.2.22006-02-13PWF
      +
      Revision 0.2.2.22006-02-13

      Flytta till DocBook XML 4.4 och använd XInclude

      -
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      +
      Revision 0.2.2.12006-02-02

      Fixa stavning (#179717)

      -
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      +
      Revision 0.2.22006-02-01

      Lägg till entitet för felrapportering

      -
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      Fixa värdnamnsfel

      -
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      Ytterligare stilredigering, uppdelning av procedurer i mer läsbara sektioner

      -
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      +
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      Första ronden av redigering.

      -
      Revision 0.0.1Wed Jan 18 2006MO
      +
      Revision 0.0.1Wed Jan 18 2006

      Första utkastet

      @@ -81,3 +85,4 @@ ?> + Index: sn_accounts.php =================================================================== RCS file: /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/translation-quick-start-guide/sv/sn_accounts.php,v retrieving revision 1.1 retrieving revision 1.2 diff -u -r1.1 -r1.2 --- sn_accounts.php 17 Oct 2006 01:58:55 -0000 1.1 +++ sn_accounts.php 12 Apr 2007 23:30:50 -0000 1.2 @@ -11,11 +11,11 @@ ssh-keygen -t dsa

      Acceptera standardsökvägen (~/.ssh/id_dsa) och skriv ett lösenord.

      [Observera]Glöm inte ditt lösenord!

      Du måste ha ditt lösenord för att komma åt CVS-datalagret. Lösenordet kan inte återfås om du glömmer det.

    3. Ändra rättigheter till din nyckel och katalogen .ssh:

       chmod 700 ~/.ssh
-

    4. Klipp och klistra SSH-nyckeln i det givna utrymmet för att komplettera ansökan av kontot.

      5. 2.2. Konton för översättning av mjukvara

      För att deltaga i Fedora Project som en översättare behöver du ett konto. Du kan ansöka om ett konto på http://i18n.redhat.com/cgi-bin/i18n-signup/. Du behöver ange ett användarnamn, en e-post-adress, ett språk (troligen ditt modersmål) och den publika delen av din SSH-nyckel.

      Det finns också två listor där du kan diskuttera översättningsproblem. Den första är fedora-trans-list, en allmän lista för att diskuttera problem som påverkar alla s! pråk. Gå till http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-trans-list för mer information. Den andra är den språk-specifika listan, som t.ex. fedora-trans-es för spanska översättare, för att diskuttera problem som bara berör just den gemenskapen av översättare.

      2.3. Konton för dokumentation

      Följ denna procedur för att börja arbeta direkt med Fedora Documentation Project för att översätta dokumentation.

      1. Fedora Documentation Project uppmuntrar alla deltagare att signera e-post med en GPG-nyckel. För att skapa en nyckel, använd följande kommando:

        +

      2. Klipp och klistra SSH-nyckeln i det givna utrymmet för att komplettera ansökan av kontot.

      2.2. Konton för översättning av mjukvara

      För att deltaga i Fedora Project som en översättare behöver du ett konto. Du kan ansöka om ett konto på http://i18n.redhat.com/cgi-bin/i18n-signup/. Du behöver ange ett användarnamn, en e-post-adress, ett språk (troligen ditt modersmål) och den publika delen av din SSH-nyckel.

      Det finns också två listor där du kan diskuttera översättningsproblem. Den första är fedora-trans-list, en allmän lista för att diskuttera problem som påverkar alla sp! råk. Gå till http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-trans-list för mer information. Den andra är den språk-specifika listan, som t.ex. fedora-trans-es för spanska översättare, för att diskuttera problem som bara berör just den gemenskapen av översättare.

      2.3. Konton för dokumentation

      Följ denna procedur för att börja arbeta direkt med Fedora Documentation Project för att översätta dokumentation.

      1. Fedora Documentation Project uppmuntrar alla deltagare att signera e-post med en GPG-nyckel. För att skapa en nyckel, använd följande kommando:

         gpg --gen-key

        En serie av prompter guidar dig genom processen. Tryck Retur för att välja standardvärdena.

        Du måste exportera din publika nyckel så andra personer kan verifiera din signatur. Använd detta kommando för att exportera din nyckel till en publik server:

         gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --send-keys GPGKEYID
-

      2. Ansök om medlemskap på e-postlistan för Fedora Documentation Project. För att göra det, fyll i formuläret på http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-docs-list/.

      3. Du ska posta en självintroduktion till e-postlistan för Fedora Documentation Project. För detaljer, gå till http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/SelfIntroduction.

      4. Du måste också ansöka om ett Fedora-konto. Besök https://admin.fedoraproject.com/accounts/ och välj länken Apply for a new account. Efter att ha fyllt i formuläret, så har du ett grundkonto.

        Du måste slutfö! ;ra Contributors License Agreement (CLA), gå till http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/AccountSystem/CLAHowTo för instruktioner.

      5. När du har slutfört CLA:et, återgå till kontosystemet och välj Edit Your Account. Ange lösenordet du fick via e-post och välj Add new membership i slutet av sidan. I fältet Groupname, ange cvsdocs och välj Add. Denna åtgärd begär åtkomst till CVS-datalagret där dokumentationen är lagrad.

        [Viktigt]
        Åtkomst av CVS är inte automatisk

        När du fyller i detta formulär innebär det inte att du automatiskt får skrivrättigheter till CVS-datalagret. Du kan behöva en sponsor från en av administratörerna i Fedora Documentation Project för att få denna rättighet.

      6. Nästa steg är att skapa ett wiki-konto. Fyll i formuläret på http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/UserPreferences och välj Create Profile.

      7. Kontakta någon person med redigeringsrättigheter och begär att få bli tillagd till kontot för redigering av Wiki på http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/EditGroup. Du kan göra detta på IRC eller genom posta till e-postlistan fedora-docs-list, som du gick med i ett tidigare steg.

      Föregående   Nästa
      Snabbstartshandledning för översättning Hem 3. Översätta mjukvara
      +

    5. Ansök om medlemskap på e-postlistan för Fedora Documentation Project. För att göra det, fyll i formuläret på http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-docs-list/.

    6. Du ska posta en självintroduktion till e-postlistan för Fedora Documentation Project. För detaljer, gå till http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/SelfIntroduction.

    7. Du måste också ansöka om ett Fedora-konto. Besök https://admin.fedoraproject.org/accounts/ och välj länken Apply for a new account. Efter att ha fyllt i formuläret, så har du ett grundkonto.

      Du måste slutfö! ;ra Contributors License Agreement (CLA), gå till http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/AccountSystem/CLAHowTo för instruktioner.

    8. När du har slutfört CLA:et, återgå till kontosystemet och välj Edit Your Account. Ange lösenordet du fick via e-post och välj Add new membership i slutet av sidan. I fältet Groupname, ange cvsdocs och välj Add. Denna åtgärd begär åtkomst till CVS-datalagret där dokumentationen är lagrad.

      < rowspan="2" align="center" valign="top" width="25">[Viktigt]
      Åtkomst av CVS är inte automatisk

      När du fyller i detta formulär innebär det inte att du automatiskt får skrivrättigheter till CVS-datalagret. Du kan behöva en sponsor från en av administratörerna i Fedora Documentation Project för att få denna rättighet.

    9. Nästa steg är att skapa ett wiki-konto. Fyll i formuläret på http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/UserPreferences och välj Create Profile.

    10. Kontakta någon person med redigeringsrättigheter och begär att få bli tillagd till kontot för redigering av Wiki på http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/EditGroup. Du kan göra detta på IRC eller genom posta till e-postlistan fedora-docs-list, som du gick med i ett tidigare steg.

      11. Föregående   Nästa
      Snabbstartshandledning för översättning Hem 3. Översätta mjukvara
      displayFooter('$Date$'); Index: sn_translating_docs.php =================================================================== RCS file: /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/translation-quick-start-guide/sv/sn_translating_docs.php,v retrieving revision 1.1 retrieving revision 1.2 diff -u -r1.1 -r1.2 --- sn_translating_docs.php 17 Oct 2006 01:58:55 -0000 1.1 +++ sn_translating_docs.php 12 Apr 2007 23:30:50 -0000 1.2 @@ -7,7 +7,7 @@ ?> -
      4. Översätta dokumentation
      Föregående   

      4. Översätta dokumentation

      För att översätta dokumentation behöver du system med Fedora Core 5 eller senare med följande paket installerade:

      • gnome-doc-utils

      • xmlto

      • make

      För att installera dessa paket, använd fö! ;ljande kommando:

      +
      4. Översätta dokumentation
      Föregående   
      4. Översätta dokumentation
      För att översätta dokumentation behöver du ett system med Fedora 5 eller senare med följande paket installerade:
      • gnome-doc-utils
      • xmlto
      • make
      För att installera dessa paket, använd fö!
 ljande kommando:
       su -c 'yum install gnome-doc-utils xmlto make'
 
      4.1. Ladda ner dokumentation
      Fedora-dokumentationen lagras också i ett CVS-datalager i katalogen docs/. Processen för att ladda ner dokumentationen liknar den som användes för att ladda ner .po-filerna. För att lista tillgängliga moduler, kör följande kommandon:
       export CVSROOT=:ext:användarnamn@cvs.fedoraproject.org:/cvs/docs





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Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 19:35:49 -0400
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Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 19:35:55 -0400
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Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 19:39:26 -0400
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Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 19:43:17 -0400
Subject: web/html/docs/translation-quick-start-guide/pa index.php, NONE,
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	1.1 sn_accounts.php, NONE, 1.1 sn_translating_docs.php, NONE,
	1.1 sn_translating_software.php, NONE, 1.1
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From: fedora-websites-list at redhat.com (Paul W. Frields (pfrields))
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 19:43:17 -0400
Subject: web/html/docs/translation-quick-start-guide/pa/stylesheet-images
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From fedora-websites-list at redhat.com  Thu Apr 12 23:43:23 2007
From: fedora-websites-list at redhat.com (Paul W. Frields (pfrields))
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 19:43:23 -0400
Subject: web/html/docs/translation-quick-start-guide/sr index.php, NONE,
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Author: pfrields

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From fedora-websites-list at redhat.com  Thu Apr 12 23:43:28 2007
From: fedora-websites-list at redhat.com (Paul W. Frields (pfrields))
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 19:43:28 -0400
Subject: web/html/docs/translation-quick-start-guide/sr/stylesheet-images
	1.png, NONE, 1.1 10.png, NONE, 1.1 11.png, NONE, 1.1 12.png,
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	1.1 2.png, NONE, 1.1 3.png, NONE, 1.1 4.png, NONE, 1.1 5.png,
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	1.1 9.png, NONE, 1.1 caution.png, NONE, 1.1 important.png,
	NONE, 1.1 note.png, NONE, 1.1 tip.png, NONE, 1.1 titlepage.png,
	NONE, 1.1 warning.png, NONE, 1.1
Message-ID: <200704122343.l3CNhSbI018649@cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com>

Author: pfrields

Update of /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/translation-quick-start-guide/sr/stylesheet-images
In directory cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv18437/sr/stylesheet-images

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	note.png tip.png titlepage.png warning.png 
Log Message:
- Add TQSG 0.3.7.1 in locales: pa sr zh_CN
- Update TQSG to 0.3.7.1 in locales: it pl pt




From fedora-websites-list at redhat.com  Thu Apr 12 23:43:33 2007
From: fedora-websites-list at redhat.com (Paul W. Frields (pfrields))
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 19:43:33 -0400
Subject: web/html/docs/translation-quick-start-guide/zh_CN/stylesheet-images
	1.png, NONE, 1.1 10.png, NONE, 1.1 11.png, NONE, 1.1 12.png,
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	1.1 9.png, NONE, 1.1 caution.png, NONE, 1.1 important.png,
	NONE, 1.1 note.png, NONE, 1.1 tip.png, NONE, 1.1 titlepage.png,
	NONE, 1.1 warning.png, NONE, 1.1
Message-ID: <200704122343.l3CNhXbb018694@cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com>

Author: pfrields

Update of /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/translation-quick-start-guide/zh_CN/stylesheet-images
In directory cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv18437/zh_CN/stylesheet-images

Added Files:
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	note.png tip.png titlepage.png warning.png 
Log Message:
- Add TQSG 0.3.7.1 in locales: pa sr zh_CN
- Update TQSG to 0.3.7.1 in locales: it pl pt




From fedora-websites-list at redhat.com  Thu Apr 12 23:43:28 2007
From: fedora-websites-list at redhat.com (Paul W. Frields (pfrields))
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 19:43:28 -0400
Subject: web/html/docs/translation-quick-start-guide/zh_CN index.php, NONE,
	1.1 ln-legalnotice-opl.php, NONE, 1.1 rv-revhistory.php, NONE,
	1.1 sn_accounts.php, NONE, 1.1 sn_translating_docs.php, NONE,
	1.1 sn_translating_software.php, NONE, 1.1
Message-ID: <200704122343.l3CNhSdL018654@cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com>

Author: pfrields

Update of /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/translation-quick-start-guide/zh_CN
In directory cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv18437/zh_CN

Added Files:
	index.php ln-legalnotice-opl.php rv-revhistory.php 
	sn_accounts.php sn_translating_docs.php 
	sn_translating_software.php 
Log Message:
- Add TQSG 0.3.7.1 in locales: pa sr zh_CN
- Update TQSG to 0.3.7.1 in locales: it pl pt



***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'index.php'

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From fedora-websites-list at redhat.com  Thu Apr 12 23:43:11 2007
From: fedora-websites-list at redhat.com (Paul W. Frields (pfrields))
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 19:43:11 -0400
Subject: web/html/docs/translation-quick-start-guide index.php,1.13,1.14
Message-ID: <200704122343.l3CNhfG6018697@cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com>

Author: pfrields

Update of /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/translation-quick-start-guide
In directory cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv18437

Modified Files:
	index.php 
Log Message:
- Add TQSG 0.3.7.1 in locales: pa sr zh_CN
- Update TQSG to 0.3.7.1 in locales: it pl pt



Index: index.php
===================================================================
RCS file: /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/translation-quick-start-guide/index.php,v
retrieving revision 1.13
retrieving revision 1.14
diff -u -r1.13 -r1.14
--- index.php	17 Oct 2006 01:58:55 -0000	1.13
+++ index.php	12 Apr 2007 23:43:09 -0000	1.14
@@ -17,11 +17,14 @@
 it | 
 ja_JP | 
 nl | 
+pa |
 pl | 
 pt | 
 pt_BR | 
-ru | 
-sv
      
+ru |
+sr | 
+sv |
+zh_CN
      
 
 

Author: pfrields

Update of /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/translation-quick-start-guide/it
In directory cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv18437/it

Modified Files:
	index.php ln-legalnotice-opl.php rv-revhistory.php 
	sn_accounts.php sn_translating_docs.php 
	sn_translating_software.php 
Log Message:
- Add TQSG 0.3.7.1 in locales: pa sr zh_CN
- Update TQSG to 0.3.7.1 in locales: it pl pt



Index: index.php
===================================================================
RCS file: /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/translation-quick-start-guide/it/index.php,v
retrieving revision 1.5
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--- index.php	15 Oct 2006 22:14:14 -0000	1.5
+++ index.php	12 Apr 2007 23:43:10 -0000	1.6
@@ -7,7 +7,7 @@
 
 ?>
 
-
      Guida rapida alle traduzioni
         Avanti
      Guida rapida alle traduzioni
      Manuel Ospina
      A cura di
      Paul W. Frields
      Hugo Cisneiros
      Francesco Tombolini
      Andrew Martynov
      José Pires
      Bart Courveur
      Dimitris Glezos
      Damien Durand
      Copyright © 2005, 2006 Red Hat, Inc., Manuel Ospina
      Copyright © 2006 Paul W. Frields, Hugo Cisneiros, Francesco Tombolini, Andrew Martynov, José Pires, Bart Couvreur, Dimitris Glezos, Damien Durand
      1. Introduzione
      2. Accounts e sottoscrizioni
      2.1. Creazione di una chiave SSH
      2.2. Accounts per la traduzione del software
      2.3. Accounts per la documentazione
      3. Tradurre il software
      3.1. Tradurre le stringhe
      3.2. Correggere le bozze
      !
 
      4. Tradurre la documentazione
      4.1. Scaricare la documentazione
      4.2. Creare i files comuni
      4.3. Usare le applicazioni per la traduzione
      1. Introduzione
      Questa guida è un veloce, semplice, insieme di istruzioni passo-passo per tradurre software e documenti del Progetto Fedora. Se si è interessati nel comprendere meglio il processo di traduzione impiegato, si faccia riferimento alla guida per la traduzione o al manuale dello spec!
 ifico strumento di traduzione.
      [Suggerimento]Segnalare errori nel documento
      Per segnalare un errore o un omissione in questo documento, inviare una segnalazione d'errore in Bugzilla su http://bugzilla.redhat.com. Quando si invia la segnalazione, selezionare "Fedora Documentation" come Product, e selezionare il titolo di questo documento come Component. La versione di questo documento è translation-quick-start-guide-0.3.7 (2006-10-14).
      I manutentori di questo documento riceveranno automaticamente la vostra segnalazione d'errore. A nome dell'intera comunità Fedora, vi ringraziamo per l'aiuto fornitoci per fare mig!
 lioramenti.
         Avanti
         2. Accounts e sottoscrizioni
      
+
      Guida rapida alle traduzioni
         Avanti
      Guida rapida alle traduzioni
      Manuel Ospina
      A cura di
      Paul W. Frields
      Hugo !
 Cisneiros
      Francesco Tombolini
      Andrew Martynov
      José Pires
      Bart Courveur
      Dimitris Glezos
      Damien Durand
      Version 0.3.7.1 (2007-04-03)
      Copyright © 2005, 2006!
  Red H
 Inc., Manuel Ospina
      Copyright © 2006 Paul W. Frields, Hugo Cisneiros, Francesco Tombolini, Andrew Martynov, José Pires, Bart Couvreur, Dimitris Glezos, Damien Durand
      1. Introduzione
      2. Accounts e sottoscrizioni
      2.1. Creazione di una chiave SSH
      2.2. Accounts per la traduzione del software
      2.3. Accounts per la documentazione
      3. Tradurre il software
      3.1. Tradurre le stringhe
      3.2. Correggere le bozze
      4. Tradurre la documentazione
      4.1. Scaricare la documentazione
      4.2. Creare i files comuni
      4.3. Usare le applicazioni per la traduzione
      1. Intr!
 oduzione
      Questa guida è un veloc!
 e, sem
ce, insieme di istruzioni passo-passo per tradurre software e documenti del Fedora Project. Se si è interessati nel comprendere meglio il processo di traduzione impiegato, si faccia riferimento alla guida per la traduzione o al manuale dello specifico strumento di traduzione.
         Avanti
         2. Accounts e sottoscrizioni
      
 displayFooter('$Date$');


Index: ln-legalnotice-opl.php
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retrieving revision 1.3
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diff -u -r1.3 -r1.4
--- ln-legalnotice-opl.php	15 Oct 2006 22:14:14 -0000	1.3
+++ ln-legalnotice-opl.php	12 Apr 2007 23:43:10 -0000	1.4
@@ -11,7 +11,7 @@
     Permission is granted to copy, distribute, and/or modify this
     document under the terms of the Open Publication Licence, Version
     1.0, or any later version. The terms of the OPL are set out below.
-  
      1. REQUIREMENTS ON BOTH UNMODIFIED AND MODIFIED
+  
        1. REQUIREMENTS ON BOTH UNMODIFIED AND MODIFIED
 	VERSIONS
          
 	Open Publication works may be reproduced and distributed in
 	whole or in part, in any medium physical or electronic, provided
@@ -37,10 +37,10 @@
 	surfaces of the book the original publisher's name shall be as
 	large as the title of the work and cited as possessive with
 	respect to the title.
-      
        2. COPYRIGHT
          
+      
        3. COPYRIGHT
          
 	The copyright to each Open Publication is owned by its author(s)
 	or designee.
-      
        4. SCOPE OF LICENSE
          
+      
        5. SCOPE OF LICENSE
          
 	The following license terms apply to all Open Publication works,
 	unless otherwise explicitly stated in the document.
       
          
@@ -60,7 +60,7 @@
 	including, but not limited to, the implied warranties of
 	merchantability and fitness for a particular purpose or a
 	warranty of non-infringement.
-      
        6. REQUIREMENTS ON MODIFIED WORKS
          
+      
        7. REQUIREMENTS ON MODIFIED WORKS
          
 	All modified versions of documents covered by this license,
 	including translations, anthologies, compilations and partial
 	documents, must meet the following requirements:
@@ -80,7 +80,7 @@
 	    The original author's (or authors') name(s) may not be used
 	    to assert or imply endorsement of the resulting document
 	    without the original author's (or authors') permission.
-	  
      2. GOOD-PRACTICE RECOMMENDATIONS
        
+	  
    11. GOOD-PRACTICE RECOMMENDATIONS
      
 	In addition to the requirements of this license, it is requested
 	from and strongly recommended of redistributors that:
       
      1. 
@@ -99,7 +99,7 @@
 	    considered good form to offer a free copy of any hardcopy
 	    and CD-ROM expression of an Open Publication-licensed work
 	    to its author(s).
-	  
    12. LICENSE OPTIONS
      
+	  
    13. LICENSE OPTIONS
      
 	The author(s) and/or publisher of an Open Publication-licensed
 	document may elect certain options by appending language to the
 	reference to or copy of the license. These options are


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--- rv-revhistory.php	15 Oct 2006 22:14:14 -0000	1.5
+++ rv-revhistory.php	12 Apr 2007 23:43:10 -0000	1.6
@@ -7,70 +7,74 @@
 
 ?>
 
-
      Diario delle Revisioni
      Revisione 0.3.72006-10-14PWF
      
+
      Diario delle Revisioni
      Revisione 0.3.7.12007-04-03
      
+        
      
+          Generato nuovo POT e PO mantenendo le entità generali
+        
      
+      
      Revisione 0.3.72006-10-14
      
         
      
           Corretto URL erroneo (#209900)
         
      
-      
      Revisione 0.3.62006-09-20MO
      
+      
      Revisione 0.3.62006-09-20
      
         
      
           Risoluzione errori (#198726, #204266, #205167)
         
      
-      
      Revisione 0.3.52006-08-14PWF
      
+      
      Revisione 0.3.52006-08-14
      
         
      
           Controllo editore, procedura di revisione per conformarsi
           all'appropriato ordinamento
         
      
-      
      Revisione 0.3.42006-08-10MO
      
+      
      Revisione 0.3.42006-08-10
      
         
      
           Informazioni aggiuntive su come partecipare al Progetto di
           Documentazione e GPG.
         
      
-      
      Revisione 0.3.32006-08-06PWF
      
+      
      Revisione 0.3.32006-08-06
      
         
      
           Rimosso il passo per la traduzione dell'rpm-info poiché è
           ora parte del documento POT
         
      
-      
      Revisione 0.3.22006-07-03PWF
      
+      
      Revisione 0.3.22006-07-03
      
         
      
           Migliorata la procedura di traduzione dei documenti per
           includere le traduzioni dei files comuni
         
      
-      
      Revisione 0.3.12006-05-28PWF
      
+      
      Revisione 0.3.12006-05-28
      
         
      
           Aggiunte informazioni sulle common entities e le ammonizioni
           per le localizzazioni disabilitate
         
      
-      
      Revisione 0.32006-05-27PWF
      
+      
      Revisione 0.32006-05-27
      
         
      
           Risolta guida procedurale ed incluse entità specifiche per il
           documento
         
      
-      
      Revisione 0.2.2.22006-02-13PWF
      
+      
      Revisione 0.2.2.22006-02-13
      
         
      
           Aggiornato a DocBook XML 4.4 ed utilizzato XInclude
         
      
-      
      Revisione 0.2.2.12006-02-02PWF
      
+      
      Revisione 0.2.2.12006-02-02
      
         
      
           Risolto errore di battitura (#179717)
         
      
-      
      Revisione 0.2.22006-02-01PWF
      
+      
      Revisione 0.2.22006-02-01
      
         
      
           Aggiunta entità per le segnalazioni d'errore
         
      
-      
      Revisione 0.2.12006-01-30PWF
      
+      
      Revisione 0.2.12006-01-30
      
         
      
           Risolto errore hostname
         
      
-      
      Revisione 0.22006-01-25PWF
      
+      
      Revisione 0.22006-01-25
      
         
      
           Ulteriori aggiunte di stile, divisione delle procedure in
           sezioni più leggibili
         
      
-      
      Revisione 0.1Fri Jan 20 2006PWF
      
+      
      Revisione 0.1Fri Jan 20 2006
      
         
      
           Primo round di editing.
         
      
-      
      Revisione 0.0.1Wed Jan 18 2006MO
      
+      
      Revisione 0.0.1Wed Jan 18 2006
      
         
      
           Prima bozza
         
      
@@ -81,3 +85,4 @@
 
 ?>
 
+


Index: sn_accounts.php
===================================================================
RCS file: /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/translation-quick-start-guide/it/sn_accounts.php,v
retrieving revision 1.5
retrieving revision 1.6
diff -u -r1.5 -r1.6
--- sn_accounts.php	15 Oct 2006 22:14:14 -0000	1.5
+++ sn_accounts.php	12 Apr 2007 23:43:10 -0000	1.6
@@ -11,11 +11,11 @@
 ssh-keygen -t dsa
 
      Accettare la locazione predefinita (~/.ssh/id_dsa) ed immettere una passphrase.
      [Attenzione]Non dimenticare la passphrase!
      Si avrà bisogno della passphrase per accedere al repositorio CVS. Non potrà essere recuperata se dimenticata.
    14. Cambiare i permessi alla chiave ed alla directory .ssh:
       chmod 700 ~/.ssh
-
    15. Copiare ed incollare la chiave SSH nello spazio fornito per poter completare la sottoscrizione all'account.
      16. 2.2. Accounts per la traduzione del software
      Per partecipare al Progetto Fedora come traduttore si ha bisogno di un account. E' possibile sottoscrivere un account su http://i18n.redhat.com/cgi-bin/i18n-signup/. Si dovrà fornire un user name, un indirizzo email, una lingua di riferimento — in genere coincidente con la lingua nativa — e la parte pubblica della chiave SSH.
      Ci sono anche due liste su cui è possibile discutere i problemi di traduzione. La prima è fedora-trans-list, una lista generale per discutere i problemi che affliggono tutti i linguaggi. F!
 are riferimento a http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-trans-list per maggiori informazioni. La seconda è la lista specifica per la lingua, tipo fedora-trans-es per i traduttori Spagnoli, per discutere problematiche inerenti solo la comunità di traduttori individuale.
      2.3. Accounts per la documentazione
      Si segua questa procedura per cominciare a lavorare direttamente con il Fedora Documentation Project per tradurre la documentazione.
      1. Il Fedora Documentation Project incoraggia tutti i partecipanti a firmare le e-mails con la chiave GPG. Per creare una chiave, usare il seguente comando:
        +
      2. Copiare ed incollare la chiave SSH nello spazio fornito per poter completare la sottoscrizione all'account.
      2.2. Accounts per la traduzione del software
      Per partecipare al Fedora Project come traduttore si ha bisogno di un account. E' possibile sottoscrivere un account su http://i18n.redhat.com/cgi-bin/i18n-signup/. Si dovrà fornire un user name, un indirizzo email, una lingua di riferimento — in genere coincidente con la lingua nativa — e la parte pubblica della chiave SSH.
      Ci sono anche due liste su cui è possibile discutere i problemi di traduzione. La prima è fedora-trans-list, una lista generale per discutere i problemi che affliggono tutti i linguaggi. Fa!
 re riferimento a http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-trans-list per maggiori informazioni. La seconda è la lista specifica per la lingua, tipo fedora-trans-es per i traduttori Spagnoli, per discutere problematiche inerenti solo la comunità di traduttori individuale.
      2.3. Accounts per la documentazione
      Si segua questa procedura per cominciare a lavorare direttamente con il Fedora Documentation Project per tradurre la documentazione.
      1. Il Fedora Documentation Project incoraggia tutti i partecipanti a firmare le e-mails con la chiave GPG. Per creare una chiave, usare il seguente comando:
         gpg --gen-key
 
        Si verrà guidati attraverso il processo da una serie di prompts. Premere Enter per selezionare i valori predefiniti.
        Si dovrà esportare la chiave pubblica affinché le altre persone possano verificare la firma. Usare questo comando per esportare la chiave su un server pubblico:
         gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --send-keys GPGKEYID
-
      2. Richiedere la sottoscrizione alla Fedora Documentation Project mailing list. Per farlo, riempire il form su http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-docs-list/.
      3. Inviare una self-introduction alla Fedora Documentation Project mailing list. Per i dettagli, fare riferimento a http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/SelfIntroduction. 
      4. Si avrà anche bisogno di sottoscrivere un account Fedora. Visitare https://admin.fedoraproject.org/accounts/ e selezionare il link Apply for a new account. Dopo aver riempito questo form, si otterrà un account base.
        Completare la Contributors License Agreement (CLA)!
 , fare riferimento a http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/AccountSystem/CLAHowTo per le istruzioni.
      5. Una volta completata con successo la CLA, si ritorni al sistema di account e si selezioni Edit Your Account. Immettere la password ricevuta per email e selezionare Add new membership alla fine della pagina. Nel campo Groupname, immettere cvsdocs e selezionare Add. Quest'azione richiede l'accesso al repositorio CVS dove è immagazzinata la documentazione.
        [Importante]!
 L'accesso al CVS Non è Automatico
        Quando si riempirà questo form, non sarà automaticamente garantito l'accesso in scrittura al repositorio CVS. Servirà la presentazione di uno dei managers del Fedora Documentation Project per ottenere questo accesso.
      6. Il prossimo passo sarà creare un account wiki. Riempire il form su http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/UserPreferences, e selezionare Create Profile.
      7. Contattare una qualsiasi persona con accesso da editore e richiedere di essere aggiunti nel Wiki edit account su http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/EditGroup. E' possibile fare questo su IRC o postando sulla mailing list fedora-docs-list a cui si è aderito in uno dei passi precedenti.
      Indietro   Avanti
      Guida rapida alle traduzioni Partenza 3. Tradurre il software
      
+
    16. Richiedere la sottoscrizione alla Fedora Documentation Project mailing list. Per farlo, riempire il form su http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-docs-list/.
    17. Inviare una self-introduction alla Fedora Documentation Project mailing list. Per i dettagli, fare riferimento a http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/SelfIntroduction. 
    18. Si avrà anche bisogno di sottoscrivere un account Fedora. Visitare https://admin.fedoraproject.org/accounts/ e selezionare il link Apply for a new account. Dopo aver riempito questo form, si otterrà un account base.
      Completare la Contributors License Agreement (CLA), fare riferimento a http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/AccountSystem/CLAHowTo per le istruzioni.
    19. Una volta completata con successo la CLA, si ritorni al sistema di account e si selezioni Edit Your Account. Immettere la password ricevuta per email e selezionare Add new membership alla fine della pagina. Nel campo Groupname, immettere cvsdocs e selezionare Add. Quest'azione richiede l'accesso al repositorio CVS dove è immagazzinata la documentazione.
      [Impor!
 tante]
rc=L'accesso al CVS Non è Automatico
      Quando si riempirà questo form, non sarà automaticamente garantito l'accesso in scrittura al repositorio CVS. Servirà la presentazione di uno dei managers del Fedora Documentation Project per ottenere questo accesso.
    20. Il prossimo passo sarà creare un account wiki. Riempire il form su http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/UserPreferences, e selezionare Create Profile.
    21. Contattare una qualsiasi persona con accesso da editore e richiedere di essere aggiunti nel Wiki edit account su http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/EditGroup. E' possibile fare questo su IRC o postando sulla mailing list fedora-docs-list a cui si è aderito in uno dei passi precedenti.
      22. Indietro   Avanti
      Guida rapida alle traduzioni Partenza 3. Tradurre il software
      
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@@ -7,7 +7,7 @@
 
 ?>
 
-
      4. Tradurre la documentazione
      Indietro   
      4. Tradurre la documentazione
      Per tradurre la documentazione, si dovrà avere un sistema Fedora Core 5 o superiore con i seguenti pacchetti installati:
      • gnome-doc-utils
      • xmlto
      • make
      Per installare questi pacchetti, usare il seguente comando:
      +
      4. Tradurre la documentazione
      Indietro   
      4. Tradurre la documentazione
      Per tradurre la documentazione, si dovrà avere un sistema Fedora 5 o superiore con i seguenti pacchetti installati:
      • gnome-doc-utils
      • xmlto
      • make
      Per installare questi pacchetti, usare il seguente comando:
       su -c 'yum install gnome-doc-utils xmlto make'
 
      4.1. Scaricare la documentazione
      Anche la documentazione Fedora è conservata in un repositorio CVS sotto la directory docs/. Il procedimento per scaricare la documentazione è simile a quello usato per scaricare i files .po. Per elencare i moduli disponibili, eseguire i seguenti comandi:
       export CVSROOT=:ext:username@cvs.fedoraproject.org:/cvs/docs





From fedora-websites-list at redhat.com  Thu Apr 12 23:43:22 2007
From: fedora-websites-list at redhat.com (Paul W. Frields (pfrields))
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 19:43:22 -0400
Subject: web/html/docs/translation-quick-start-guide/pl index.php, 1.1,
	1.2 ln-legalnotice-opl.php, 1.1, 1.2 rv-revhistory.php, 1.1,
	1.2 sn_accounts.php, 1.1, 1.2 sn_translating_docs.php, 1.1,
	1.2 sn_translating_software.php, 1.1, 1.2
Message-ID: <200704122343.l3CNhqcE018709@cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com>

Author: pfrields

Update of /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/translation-quick-start-guide/pl
In directory cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv18437/pl

Modified Files:
	index.php ln-legalnotice-opl.php rv-revhistory.php 
	sn_accounts.php sn_translating_docs.php 
	sn_translating_software.php 
Log Message:
- Add TQSG 0.3.7.1 in locales: pa sr zh_CN
- Update TQSG to 0.3.7.1 in locales: it pl pt



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@@ -2,13 +2,12 @@
 
 include("site.inc");
 $template = new Page;
-$template->initCommon(); 
+$template->initCommon();
 $template->displayHeader();
 
 ?>
 
-
      Szybki przewodnik po tłumaczenia
         Następny
      Szybki przewodnik po tłumaczenia
      Manuel Ospina
      Redakcja: 
      Paul W. Frields
      Hugo Cisneiros
      Francesco Tombolini
      Andrew Martynov
      José Pires
      Bart Courveur
      Dimitris Glezos
      Damien Durand
      Copyright © 2005, 2006 Red Hat, Inc., Manuel Ospina
      Copyright © 2006 Paul W. Frields, Hugo Cisneiros, Francesco Tombolini, Andrew Martynov, José Pires, Bart Couvreur, Dimitris Glezos, Damien Durand
      1. Wstęp
      2. Konta i subskrypcja
      2.1. Tworzenie klucza SSH
      2.2. Konta do tłumaczenia programów
      2.3. Konta dla dokumentacji
      3. Tłumaczenie oprogramowania
      3.1. Tłumaczenie
      3.2. Korekta
      4. Tłumaczenie dokumentacji
      4.1. Pobieranie dokumentacji
      4.2. Tworzenie wspólnych plików
      4.3. Używanie aplikacji do tłumaczenia
      1. Wstęp
      Ten przewodnik jest szybkim, prostym zestawem instrukcji krok po kroku tłumaczenia oprogramowania i dokumentów Projektu Fedora. Jeśli chciałbyś lepiej zrozumieć proces tłumaczenia, przeczytaj Przewodnik tłumaczenia lub podręcznika danego narzędzia do tłumaczenia.
      
ble border="0" summary="Tip: Zgłaszanie błędów w dokumencie">
      [Podpowiedź]Zgłaszanie błędów w dokumencie
      Aby zgłosić błąd lub przeoczenie w tym dokumencie, wypełnij raport o błędzie w Bugzilli pod http://bugzilla.redhat.com. Podczas zgłaszania błędu, wybierz "Fedora Documentation" jako Product, a tytuł tego dokumentu jako Component. Wersja tego dokumentu to translation-quick-start-guide-0.3.3 (2006-08-06).
      Opiekunowie tego dokumentu automatycznie otrzymają twoje zgłoszenie błędu. W imieniu całej społeczności Fedora, dziękuję ci za pomoc w ul!
 epszaniu dokumentacji.
         Następny
         2. Konta i subskrypcja
      
-
+
      Szybki przewodnik po tłumaczeniu
         Następny
      Szybki przewodnik po tłumaczeniu
      Manuel Ospina
      Redakcja: 
      Paul W. Frields
      Hugo Cisneiros
      Francesco Tombolini
      Andrew Martynov
      José Pires
      Bart Courveur
      Dimitris Glezos
      Damien Durand
      Ver!
 sion 0.3.7.1 (2007-04-03)
      C!
 opyrig
© 2005, 2006 Red Hat, Inc., Manuel Ospina
      Copyright © 2006 Paul W. Frields, Hugo Cisneiros, Francesco Tombolini, Andrew Martynov, José Pires, Bart Couvreur, Dimitris Glezos, Damien Durand
      1. Wstęp
      2. Konta i subskrypcja
      2.1. Tworzenie klucza SSH
      2.2. Konta do tłumaczenia oprogramowania
      2.3. Konta dla dokumentacji
      3. Tłumaczenie oprogramowania
      3.1. Tłumaczenie
      3.2. Korekta
      4. Tłumaczenie dokumentacji
      4.1. Pobieranie dokumentacji
      4.2. Tworzenie wspólnych plików
      4.3. Używanie aplikacji do tłumaczenia
      1.!
  Wstęp
      Ten przewodnik jest szybk!
 im, pr
ym zestawem instrukcji krok po kroku tłumaczenia oprogramowania i dokumentów Fedora Project. Jeśli chciałbyś lepiej zrozumieć proces tłumaczenia, przeczytaj Przewodnik tłumaczenia lub podręcznik danego narzędzia do tłumaczenia.
         Następny
         2. Konta i subskrypcja
      
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 include("site.inc");
 $template = new Page;
-$template->initCommon(); 
+$template->initCommon();
 $template->displayHeader();
 
 ?>
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     Permission is granted to copy, distribute, and/or modify this
     document under the terms of the Open Publication Licence, Version
     1.0, or any later version. The terms of the OPL are set out below.
-  
      1. REQUIREMENTS ON BOTH UNMODIFIED AND MODIFIED
+  
        1. REQUIREMENTS ON BOTH UNMODIFIED AND MODIFIED
 	VERSIONS
          
 	Open Publication works may be reproduced and distributed in
 	whole or in part, in any medium physical or electronic, provided
@@ -37,10 +37,10 @@
 	surfaces of the book the original publisher's name shall be as
 	large as the title of the work and cited as possessive with
 	respect to the title.
-      
        2. COPYRIGHT
          
+      
        3. COPYRIGHT
          
 	The copyright to each Open Publication is owned by its author(s)
 	or designee.
-      
        4. SCOPE OF LICENSE
          
+      
        5. SCOPE OF LICENSE
          
 	The following license terms apply to all Open Publication works,
 	unless otherwise explicitly stated in the document.
       
          
@@ -60,7 +60,7 @@
 	including, but not limited to, the implied warranties of
 	merchantability and fitness for a particular purpose or a
 	warranty of non-infringement.
-      
        6. REQUIREMENTS ON MODIFIED WORKS
          
+      
        7. REQUIREMENTS ON MODIFIED WORKS
          
 	All modified versions of documents covered by this license,
 	including translations, anthologies, compilations and partial
 	documents, must meet the following requirements:
@@ -80,7 +80,7 @@
 	    The original author's (or authors') name(s) may not be used
 	    to assert or imply endorsement of the resulting document
 	    without the original author's (or authors') permission.
-	  
      2. GOOD-PRACTICE RECOMMENDATIONS
        
+	  
    22. GOOD-PRACTICE RECOMMENDATIONS
      
 	In addition to the requirements of this license, it is requested
 	from and strongly recommended of redistributors that:
       
      1. 
@@ -99,7 +99,7 @@
 	    considered good form to offer a free copy of any hardcopy
 	    and CD-ROM expression of an Open Publication-licensed work
 	    to its author(s).
-	  
    23. LICENSE OPTIONS
      
+	  
    24. LICENSE OPTIONS
      
 	The author(s) and/or publisher of an Open Publication-licensed
 	document may elect certain options by appending language to the
 	reference to or copy of the license. These options are
@@ -128,7 +128,6 @@
 	prohibited unless prior permission is obtained from the
 	copyright holder.' to the license reference or copy.
       
      25. 
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@@ -2,65 +2,88 @@
 
 include("site.inc");
 $template = new Page;
-$template->initCommon(); 
+$template->initCommon();
 $template->displayHeader();
 
 ?>
 
-
      Historia zmian
      Zmiana 0.3.32006-08-06PWF
      
+
      Historia zmian
      Zmiana 0.3.7.12007-04-03
      
+        
      
+          Utworzenie nowych plików POT i PO, aby użyć ogólnych
+          jednostek
+        
      
+      
      Zmiana 0.3.72006-10-14
      
+        
      
+          Naprawienie błędnych URL-i (#209900)
+        
      
+      
      Zmiana 0.3.62006-09-20
      
+        
      
+          Poprawki błędów (#198726, #204266, #205167)
+        
      
+      
      Zmiana 0.3.52006-08-14
      
+        
      
+          Zmiana edytorska poprawiająca procedurę, aby pasowała do
+          właściwej kolejności
+        
      
+      
      Zmiana 0.3.42006-08-10
      
+        
      
+          Dodatkowe informacje o dołączaniu do Projektu dokumentacji i
+          GPG.
+        
      
+      
      Zmiana 0.3.32006-08-06
      
         
      
           Usunięcie kroków o tłumaczeniu rpm-info, ponieważ jest
           teraz częścią pliku POT dokumentu
         
      
-      
      Zmiana 0.3.22006-07-03PWF
      
+      
      Zmiana 0.3.22006-07-03
      
         
      
           Naprawienie procedury tłumaczenia dokumentacji (dołączenie
           tłumaczeń innych wspólnych plików)
         
      
-      
      Zmiana 0.3.12006-05-28PWF
      
+      
      Zmiana 0.3.12006-05-28
      
         
      
           Dodanie informacji o wspólnych jednostkach i ostrzeżenia o
           wyłączonych lokalizacjach
         
      
-      
      Zmiana 0.32006-05-27PWF
      
+      
      Zmiana 0.32006-05-27
      
         
      
           Naprawienie przewodnika po procedurach i dołączenie
           jednostek określonych dla dokumentu
         
      
-      
      Zmiana 0.2.2.22006-02-13PWF
      
+      
      Zmiana 0.2.2.22006-02-13
      
         
      
           Przeniesienie do DocBook XML 4.4 i użycie XInclude
         
      
-      
      Zmiana 0.2.2.12006-02-02PWF
      
+      
      Zmiana 0.2.2.12006-02-02
      
         
      
           Naprawienie literówek (#179717)
         
      
-      
      Zmiana 0.2.22006-02-01PWF
      
+      
      Zmiana 0.2.22006-02-01
      
         
      
           Dodanie jednostki do zgłaszania błędów
         
      
-      
      Zmiana 0.2.12006-01-30PWF
      
+      
      Zmiana 0.2.12006-01-30
      
         
      
           Naprawienie błędu nazwy komputera
         
      
-      
      Zmiana 0.22006-01-25PWF
      
+      
      Zmiana 0.22006-01-25
      
         
      
           Dodatkowa edycja stylu, podzielenie procedur na bardziej
           czytelne sekcje
         
      
-      
      Zmiana 0.1Fri Jan 20 2006PWF
      
+      
      Zmiana 0.1Fri Jan 20 2006
      
         
      
           Pierwsza tura edycji.
         
      
-      
      Zmiana 0.0.1Wed Jan 18 2006MO
      
+      
      Zmiana 0.0.1Wed Jan 18 2006
      
         
      
           Pierwszy szkic
         
      
       
      
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 include("site.inc");
 $template = new Page;
-$template->initCommon(); 
+$template->initCommon();
 $template->displayHeader();
 
 ?>
 
-
      2. Konta i subskrypcja
      Poprzedni   Następny
      2. Konta i subskrypcja
      2.1. Tworzenie klucza SSH
      Jeśli nie posiadasz jeszcze klucza SSH, utwórz jeden postępując zgodnie z tymi krokami:
      1. Wpisz w wierszu poleceń:
        +
        2. Konta i subskrypcja
        Poprzedni   Następny
        2. Konta i subskrypcja
        2.1. Tworzenie klucza SSH
        Jeśli nie posiadasz jeszcze klucza SSH, utwórz go postępując zgodnie z poniższymi krokami:
        1. Wpisz w wierszu poleceń:
           ssh-keygen -t dsa
 
          Zaakceptuj domyślne położenie (~/.ssh/id_dsa) i podaj długie hasło.
          [Uwaga!]Nie zapomnij swojego długiego hasła!
          Będziesz potrzebował długiego hasła, aby uzyskać dostęp do repozytorium CVS. Nie może zostać przywrócone, jeśli je zapomnisz.
        2. Zmień uprawnienia do swojego klucza i folderu .ssh:
           chmod 700 ~/.ssh
-
        3. Skopiuj i wklej klucz SSH w odpowiednie miejsce, aby zakończyć zakładanie konta.
        2.2. Konta do tłumaczenia programów
        Aby wziąć udział w Projekcie Fedora jako tłumacz, potrzebujesz konta. Możesz je założyć pod http://i18n.redhat.com/cgi-bin/i18n-signup/. Musisz podać nazwę użytkownika, adres e-mail, język docelowy — najprawdopodobniej język, którym posługujesz się na co dzień — i publiczną część twojego klucza SSH.
        Są dwie listy, gdzie można dyskutować o sprawach związanych z tłumaczeniem. Pierwszą jest fedora-trans-list, og!
 ólna lista dla dyskusji o problemach ważnych dla wszystkich języków. Odwiedź http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-trans-list, aby dowiedzieć się więcej. Drugą jest lista określona dla języka, taka jak fedora-trans-pl dla polskich tłumaczy, gdzie można dyskutować o sprawach ważnych tylko dla danej społeczności tłumaczy.
        2.3. Konta dla dokumentacji
        Jeśli planujesz tłumaczenie dokumentacji Fedory, potrzebujesz konta CVS Fedory i członkostwa w liście mailingowej Projektu dokumentacji Fedory. Aby dostać konto CVS Fedory, odwiedź https://admin.fedora!
 .redhat.com/accounts/. Aby dołączyć do list!
 y mail
owej Projektu dokumentacji Fedory, odwiedź http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-docs-list/.
        Powinieneś także wysłać informacje o sobie (po angielsku) na listę mailingową Projektu dokumentacji Fedory. Aby poznać szczegóły, odwiedź http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/SelfIntroduction.
        Poprzedni   Następny
        Szybki przewodnik po tłumaczenia Spis treści 3. Tłumaczenie oprogramowania
        
-
+
      2. Skopiuj i wklej klucz SSH w odpowiednie miejsce, aby zakończyć zakładanie konta.
      2.2. Konta do tłumaczenia oprogramowania
      Aby wziąć udział w Fedora Project jako tłumacz, potrzebujesz konta. Możesz je założyć pod http://i18n.redhat.com/cgi-bin/i18n-signup/. Musisz podać nazwę użytkownika, adres e-mail, język docelowy — najprawdopodobniej język, którym posługujesz się na co dzień — i publiczną część swojego klucza SSH.
      Są dwie listy, gdzie można dyskutować o sprawach związanych z tłumaczeniem. Pierwszą jest fedora-trans-list, og&#!
 243;lna lista dla dyskusji o problemach ważnych dla wszystkich języków. Odwiedź http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-trans-list, aby dowiedzieć się więcej. Drugą jest lista określona dla języka, taka jak fedora-trans-pl dla polskich tłumaczy, gdzie można dyskutować o sprawach ważnych tylko dla danej społeczności tłumaczy.
      2.3. Konta dla dokumentacji
      Postępuj zgodnie z tą procedurą, aby zacząć pracować z Fedora Documentation Project nad tłumaczeniem dokumentacji.
      1. Fedora Documentation Project zachęca wszystkich członków do podpisywania listów e-m!
 ail kluczem GPG. Aby utworzyć klucz, użyj nastę!
 puj
cego polecenia:
        +gpg --gen-key
+
        Seria zapytań przeprowadzi cię przez ten proces. Naciśnij Enter, aby wybrać domyślne wartości.
        Musisz wyeksportować swój klucz publiczny, aby inni ludzie mogli sprawdzić twoje podpisy. Użyj tego polecenia, aby wyeksportować klucz na publiczny serwer:
        +gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --send-keys IDKLUCZAGPG
+
      2. Poproś o członkostwo na liście mailingowej Fedora Documentation Project. Aby to zrobić, wypełnij formularz na http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-docs-list/.
      3. Powinieneś także wysłać informacje o sobie (po angielsku) na listę mailingową Fedora Documentation Project. Aby poznać szczegóły, odwiedź http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/SelfIntroduction.
      4. Musisz także założyć konto Fedora. Odwiedź https://admin.fedoraproject.org/accounts/ i wybierz odnośnik Apply for a new account. Po wypełnieniu tego formularza będziesz p!
 osiadał podstawowe konto.
        Musisz wypełnić Umowę licencyjną współtwórców (CLA), odwiedź http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/AccountSystem/CLAHowTo, aby poznać instrukcje.
      5. Kiedy poprawnie wypełnisz CLA, wróć do systemu kont i wybierz Edit Your Account. Podaj hasło, które otrzymałeś listem e-mail i wybierz Add new membership na dole strony. W polu Groupname podaj cvsdocs i wybierz Add. Ta operacja wyśle prośbę o przyznanie dostępu do repozytorium CVS, gdzie jest przechowywana dok!
 umentacja.
        [WAŻNE]Dostęp do CVS-a nie jest przyznawany automatycznie
        Kiedy wypełnisz ten formularz, nie otrzymasz automatycznie uprawnień do zapisu w repozytorium CVS. Możesz potrzebować sponsoringu od jednego z menedżerów Fedora Documentation Project, aby dostać te uprawnienia.
      6. Następnym krokiem jest utworzenie konta na wiki. Wypełnij formularz na http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/UserPreferences i wybierz Utwórz profil.
      7. Skontaktuj się z jakąś osobą z upr!
 awnieniami do zapisu i poproś o dodanie do konta edycji na wiki w http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/EditGroup. Możesz to zrobić na IRC-u lub pisząc na listę mailingową fedora-docs-list, do której dołączyłeś w poprzednim kroku.
      Poprzedni   Następny
      Szybki przewodnik po tłumaczeniu Spis treści 3. Tłumaczenie opr!
 ogramowania
      
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 include("site.inc");
 $template = new Page;
-$template->initCommon(); 
+$template->initCommon();
 $template->displayHeader();
 
 ?>
 
-
      4. Tłumaczenie dokumentacji
      Poprzedni   
      4. Tłumaczenie dokumentacji
      Aby tłumaczyć dokumentację, potrzeba Fedory Core 5 lub późniejszej z zainstalowanymi następującymi pakietami:
      • gnome-doc-utils
      • xmlto
      • make
      Aby zainstalować te pakiety, użyj następującego !
 polecenia:
      +
      4. Tłumaczenie dokumentacji
      Poprzedni   
      4. Tłumaczenie dokumentacji
      Aby tłumaczyć dokumentację, potrzebujesz Fedora 5 lub późniejszą z zainstalowanymi następującymi pakietami:
      • gnome-doc-utils
      • xmlto
      • make
      Aby zainstalować te pakiety, użyj następujące!
 go polecenia:
       su -c 'yum install gnome-doc-utils xmlto make'
 
      4.1. Pobieranie dokumentacji
      Dokumentacja Fedory również jest przechowywana w repozytorium CVS w folderze docs/. Proces pobierania dokumentacji jest podobny do tego używanego do plików .po. Aby wyświetlić listę dostępnych modułów, wykonaj następujące polecenia:
      -export CVSROOT=:ext:nazwa_użytkownika@cvs.fedora.redhat.com:/cvs/docs
+export CVSROOT=:ext:nazwa_użytkownika@cvs.fedoraproject.org:/cvs/docs
 cvs co -c
 
      Aby pobrać moduł do przetłumaczenia, wyświetl listę modułów w repozytorium i pobierz go. Musisz pobrać także moduł docs-common.
       cvs co przykładowy-dokument docs-common
-
      Dokumenty są pisane w formacie DocBook XML. Każdy jest przechowywany w folderze o nazwie określonej dla każdego języka, tak jak en_US/przykładowy-dokument.xml. Pliki .po tłumaczeń są przechowywane w folderze po/.
      4.2. Tworzenie wspólnych plików
      Jeśli tworzysz pierwsze tłumaczenie dla danego języka, najpierw musisz przetłumaczyć kilka wspólnych plików używanych we wszystkich dokumentach. Są one położone w docs-common/common/.
      1. Przeczytaj plik README.txt w docs-common/common/entities i post&#!
 281;puj zgodnie ze wskazówkami, aby utworzyć nowe jednostki.
      2. Po utworzeniu wspólnych jednostek dla danego języka w wysłaniu wyników do CVS-u, utwórz plik uwag o legalności dla tego języka:
        +
        Dokumenty są pisane w formacie DocBook XML. Każdy jest przechowywany w folderze o nazwie określonej dla każdego języka, tak jak en_US/przykładowy-dokument.xml. Pliki .po tłumaczeń są przechowywane w folderze po/.
      4.2. Tworzenie wspólnych plików
      Jeśli tworzysz pierwsze tłumaczenie dla danego języka, najpierw musisz przetłumaczyć kilka wspólnych plików używanych we wszystkich dokumentach. Są one położone w docs-common/common/.
      1. Przeczytaj plik README.txt w docs-common/common/entities i post&#!
 281;puj zgodnie ze wskazówkami, aby utworzyć nowe jednostki.
      2. Po utworzeniu wspólnych jednostek dla danego języka i wysłaniu wyników do CVS-u, utwórz plik uwag o legalności dla tego języka:
         cd docs-common/common/
 cp legalnotice-opl-en_US.xml legalnotice-opl-pl.xml
 
        [WAŻNE]Nie tłumacz uwag o legalności
        Aby mieć pewność, że jest tak samo legalna dla wszystkich języków, nie tłumacz OPL.
      3. Potem również wyślij ten plik do CVS-u:
        @@ -42,11 +42,10 @@
 
      4. Przetestuj tłumaczenie używając narzędzi do budowania HTML-a:
         make html-pl
 
      5. Kiedy skończysz tłumaczenie, wyślij plik .po. Możesz zapisać ile procent jest skończone lub jakieś inne przydatne informacje przy wysyłaniu.
        -cvs ci -m 'Wiadomość o wysyłaniu' po/pl.po
+cvs ci -m 'Komunikat o wysyłaniu' po/pl.po
 
        [WAŻNE]Wysyłanie pliku Makefile
        Nie wysyłaj pliku Makefile, zanim tłumaczenie nie będzie skończone. Aby to zrobić, wykonaj to polecenie:
         cvs ci -m 'Translation to pl finished' Makefile
 
      Poprzedni   
      3. Tłumaczenie oprogramowania Spis treści 
      
-
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===================================================================
RCS file: /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/translation-quick-start-guide/pl/sn_translating_software.php,v
retrieving revision 1.1
retrieving revision 1.2
diff -u -r1.1 -r1.2
--- sn_translating_software.php	8 Aug 2006 12:27:29 -0000	1.1
+++ sn_translating_software.php	12 Apr 2007 23:43:20 -0000	1.2
@@ -2,26 +2,32 @@
 
 include("site.inc");
 $template = new Page;
-$template->initCommon(); 
+$template->initCommon();
 $template->displayHeader();
 
 ?>
 
-
      3. Tłumaczenie oprogramowania
      Poprzedni   Następny
      3. Tłumaczenie oprogramowania
      Przetłumaczalna część pakietu oprogramowania jest dostępna w jednym lub więcej plików po. Projekt Fedora przechowuje te pliki w repozytorium CVS w folderze translate/. Kiedy twoje konto zostanie potwierdzone, pobierz ten folder przez wpisanie następujących instrukc!
 ji w wierszu poleceń:
      +
      3. Tłumaczenie oprogramowania
      Poprzedni   Następny
      3. Tłumaczenie oprogramowania
      Przetłumaczalna część pakietu oprogramowania jest dostępna w jednym lub więcej plików po. Fedora Project przechowuje te pliki w repozytorium CVS w folderze translate/. Kiedy twoje konto zostanie zatwierdzone, pobierz ten folder przez wpisanie następujących instrukc!
 ji w wierszu poleceń:
       export CVS_RSH=ssh
 export CVSROOT=:ext:nazwa_użytkownika@i18n.redhat.com:/usr/local/CVS 
 cvs -z9 co translate/
-
      Te polecenia pobiorą wszystkie moduły i pliki .po na komputer, zachowując hierarchię repozytorium. Każdy folder zawiera plik .pot, taki jak anaconda.pot i pliki .po dla każdego języka, takie jak pl.po, de.po i tak dalej.
      Można sprawdzić stan tłumaczenia pod http://i18n.redhat.com/cgi-bin/i18n-status. Wybierz swój język z menu lub sprawdź stan całkowity. Wybierz pakiet, aby wyświetlić opiekuna i nazwisko ostatniego tłumacza tego modułu. Jeśli chcesz przetłumaczyć moduł, napisz na listę odpowiednią dla twojego języka i powiadom ich o tym. Później wybierz take na stronie stanu. Moduł jest teraz przypisany tobie. Przy prośbie o hasło, podaj te, które otrzymałeś przez e-maila, kiedy zakładałeś konto.
      Teraz możesz zacząć tłumaczenie.
      3.1. Tłumaczenie
      1. Zmień folder na położenie pakietu, który przejąłeś.
        +
        Te polecenia pobiorą wszystkie moduły i pliki .po na komputer, zachowując hierarchię repozytorium. Każdy folder zawiera plik .pot, taki jak anaconda.pot i pliki .po dla każdego języka, takie jak pl.po, de.po i tak dalej.
        Można sprawdzić stan tłumaczenia pod http://i18n.redhat.com/cgi-bin/i18n-status. Wybierz swój język z menu lub sprawdź stan całkowity. Wybierz pakiet, aby wyświetlić opiekuna i nazwisko ostatniego tłumacza tego modułu. Jeśli chcesz przetłumaczyć moduł, napisz na listę odpowiednią dla swojego języka i powiadom ich o tym. Później wybierz take na stronie stanu. Moduł jest teraz przypisany tobie. Przy prośbie o hasło podaj te, które otrzymałeś przez e-maila, kiedy zakładałeś konto.
        [Notatka]Prośba o stronę stanu dla języka
        Jeśli twój język nie znajduje się na liście dostępnych języków, wybierz Other i naciśnij Show Status. Na następnej stronie wybierz język i naciśnij Continue, aby wyświetlić interesujący cię j!
 ęzyk. Wyślij e-mail na , aby wyrazić swoje zainteresowanie tłumaczeniem Fedora na wybrany język.
        Teraz możesz zacząć tłumaczenie.
        3.1. Tłumaczenie
        1. Zmień folder na położenie pakietu, który przejąłeś.
           cd ~/translate/nazwa_pakietu
 
        2. Zaktualizuj pliki następującym poleceniem:
           cvs up
-
        3. Przetłumacz plik .po dla twojego języka w edytorze .po, takim jak KBabel lub gtranslator. Na przykład, aby otworzyć polski plik .po w programie KBabel, wpisz:
          +
        4. Zanim zaczniesz tłumaczenie, upewnij się, że plik .po odpowiada najnowszemu plikowi .pot. Uruchom następujące polecenie, aby zsynchronizować plik .po:
          +msgmerge pl.po nazwa_pakietu.pot > tmp.po
+
        5. Sprawdź integralność nowego pliku:
          +msgfmt -cvo /dev/null tmp.po
+
        6. Jeśli nie wystąpią żadne błędy, uruchom następujące polecenie, aby zastąpić lang.po plikiem tmp.po:
          +mv tmp.po pl.po
+
        7. Przetłumacz plik .po dla swojego języka w edytorze .po, takim jak KBabel lub gtranslator. Na przykład, aby otworzyć polski plik .po w programie KBabel, wpisz:
           kbabel pl.po
 
        8. Kiedy skończysz pracę, wyślij swoje zmiany do repozytorium:
           cvs commit -m 'komentarz' pl.po
-
        9. Naciśnij odnośnik release na stronie stanu, aby zwolnić moduł, na którym teraz będą mogli pracować inni.
        3.2. Korekta
        Jeśli chcesz sprawdzić, jak wygląda twoje tłumaczenie jako część oprogramowania, wykonaj te kroki:
        1. Przejdź do folderu pakietu, który chcesz sprawdzić:
          +
        2. Naciśnij odnośnik Release na stronie stanu, aby zwolnić moduł, na którym teraz będą mogli pracować inni.
        3.2. Korekta
        Jeśli chcesz sprawdzić, jak wygląda twoje tłumaczenie jako część oprogramowania, wykonaj te kroki:
        1. Przejdź do folderu pakietu, który chcesz sprawdzić:
           cd ~/translate/nazwa_pakietu
-
        2. Przekonwertuj plik .po w plik .mo za pomocą msgfmt:
          +
        3. Przekonwertuj plik .po do pliku .mo za pomocą msgfmt:
           msgfmt pl.po
 
        4. Zastąp istniejący plik .mo w /usr/share/locale/lang/LC_MESSAGES/. Najpierw utwórz kopię zapasową istniejącego pliku:
           cp /usr/share/locale/pl/LC_MESSAGES/nazwa_pakietu.mo nazwa_pakietu.mo-kopia_zapasowa
@@ -29,7 +35,6 @@
 
        5. Sprawdź przetłumaczony pakiet:
           LANG=pl rpm -qi nazwa_pakietu
 
        Aplikacja uruchomi się z przetłumaczonym interfejsem.
      Poprzedni   Następny
      2. Konta i subskrypcja Spis treści 4. Tłumaczenie dokumentacji
      
-
 displayFooter('$Date$');



From fedora-websites-list at redhat.com  Thu Apr 12 23:43:23 2007
From: fedora-websites-list at redhat.com (Paul W. Frields (pfrields))
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 19:43:23 -0400
Subject: web/html/docs/translation-quick-start-guide/pt index.php, 1.3,
	1.4 ln-legalnotice-opl.php, 1.3, 1.4 rv-revhistory.php, 1.3,
	1.4 sn_accounts.php, 1.3, 1.4 sn_translating_docs.php, 1.3,
	1.4 sn_translating_software.php, 1.3, 1.4
Message-ID: <200704122343.l3CNhr1J018717@cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com>

Author: pfrields

Update of /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/translation-quick-start-guide/pt
In directory cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv18437/pt

Modified Files:
	index.php ln-legalnotice-opl.php rv-revhistory.php 
	sn_accounts.php sn_translating_docs.php 
	sn_translating_software.php 
Log Message:
- Add TQSG 0.3.7.1 in locales: pa sr zh_CN
- Update TQSG to 0.3.7.1 in locales: it pl pt



Index: index.php
===================================================================
RCS file: /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/translation-quick-start-guide/pt/index.php,v
retrieving revision 1.3
retrieving revision 1.4
diff -u -r1.3 -r1.4
--- index.php	15 Oct 2006 15:20:18 -0000	1.3
+++ index.php	12 Apr 2007 23:43:20 -0000	1.4
@@ -7,7 +7,7 @@
 
 ?>
 
-
      Guia Introdutório Rápido de Traduções
         Próximo
      Guia Introdutório Rápido de Traduções
      Manuel Ospina
      Editado por
      Paul W. Frields
      Hugo Cisneiros
      Francesco Tombolini
      Andrew Martynov
      José Pires
      Bart Courveur
      Dimitris Glezos
      Damien Durand
      Copyright © 2005, 2006 Red Hat, Inc., Manuel Ospina
      Copyright © 2006 Paul W. Frields, Hugo Cisneiros, Francesco Tombolini, Andrew Martynov, José Pires, Bart Couvreur, Dimit!
 ris Glezos, Damien Durand
      1. Introdução
      2. Contas e Inscrições
      2.1. Criar uma Chave de SSH
      2.2. Contas para a Tradução de Programas
      2.3. Transferir a Documentação
      3. Tradução das Aplicações
      3.1. Traduzir as Mensagens
      3.2. Verificação Ortográfica
      4. Traduzir a Documentação
      4.1. Transferir a Documentação
      4.2. Criar os Ficheiros Comuns
      4.3. Usar as Aplicações de Traduções
      1. Introdução
      Este guia é um conjunto de instruções rápidas, simples e passo-a-passo para traduzir o 'software' e a do!
 cumentação do Projecto Fedora. Se estiver interessad!
 o em c
reender melhor o processo de tradução envolvido, veja o Guia de Traduções ou o manual de ferramenta de tradução específica.
      [Dica]Comunicar Erros na Documentação
      Para comunicar um erro ou omissão neste documento, envie um relatório de erros para o Bugzilla em http://bugzilla.redhat.com. Quando enviar o seu erro, seleccione "Fedora Documentation" (Documentação do Fedora" como Product (Produto) e seleccione o título deste documento como Component (Componente). A versão deste !
 documento é o translation-quick-start-guide-0.3.7 (2006-10-14).
      Os responsáveis de manutenção deste documento irão receber automaticamente o seu relatório de erros. Por parte de toda a comunidade do Fedora, obrigado por nos ajudar a criar melhorias.
         Próximo
         2. Contas e Inscrições
      
+
      Guia Introdutório Rápido de Traduções
         Próximo
      Guia Introdutório Rápido de Traduções
      Manuel Ospina
      Editado por
      Paul W. Frields
      Hugo Cisneiros
      Francesco Tombolini
      Andrew Martynov
      José Pires
      Bart Courveur
      Dimitris Glezos
      Damien Durand
      Version 0.3.7.1 (2007-04-!
 03)
      Copyright © 2005, 2006 Red Hat, Inc., Manuel Ospina
      Copyright © 2006 Paul W. Frields, Hugo Cisneiros, Francesco Tombolini, Andrew Martynov, José Pires, Bart Couvreur, Dimitris Glezos, Damien Durand
      1. Introdução
      2. Contas e Inscrições
      2.1. Criar uma Chave de SSH
      2.2. Contas para a Tradução de Programas
      2.3. Transferir a Docume!
 ntação
      3. Tradução das Aplicações
      3.1. Traduzir as Mensagens
      3.2. Verificação Ortográfica
      4. Traduzir a Documentação
      4.1. Transferir a Documentação
      4.2. Criar os Ficheiros Comuns
      4.3. Usar as Aplicações de Traduções
      1. Introdução
      Este guia é um conjunto de instruções rápidas, simples e passo-a-passo para traduzir o 'software' e a documentação do Fedora Project. Se estiver interessado em compreender melhor o processo de tradução envolvido, veja o Guia de Traduções ou o manual de ferramenta de tradução específica.
         Próximo
         2. Contas e Inscrições
      
 displayFooter('$Date$');


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RCS file: /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/translation-quick-start-guide/pt/ln-legalnotice-opl.php,v
retrieving revision 1.3
retrieving revision 1.4
diff -u -r1.3 -r1.4
--- ln-legalnotice-opl.php	15 Oct 2006 15:20:18 -0000	1.3
+++ ln-legalnotice-opl.php	12 Apr 2007 23:43:21 -0000	1.4
@@ -11,7 +11,7 @@
     É cedida a permissão para copiar, distribuir e/ou modificar este documento
     segundo os termos da Open Publication Licence, Versão 1.0 ou qualquer
     versão posterior. Os termos da OPL estão descritos abaixo.
-  
      1. REQUISITOS PARA AS VERSÕES MODIFICADAS E NÃO-MODIFICADAS
+  
        1. REQUISITOS PARA AS VERSÕES MODIFICADAS E NÃO-MODIFICADAS
       
          
 	Os trabalhos da Open Publication podem ser reproduzidos e distribuídos
         por inteiro ou parcialmente, em qualquer meio físico ou electrónico,
@@ -36,10 +36,10 @@
         exteriores do livo. Em todas as superfícies exteriores do livro,
         o nome do publicador original deverá ser tão grande quanto o título
         do trabalho e citado como possessivo no que respeita ao título.
-      
        2. DIREITOS DE CÓPIA
          
+      
        3. DIREITOS DE CÓPIA
          
 	Os direitos de cópia de cada Open Publication tem a pertença do(s)
         seu(s) autor(es) ou entidades designadas como tal.
-      
        4. ÂMBITO DA LICENÇA
          
+      
        5. ÂMBITO DA LICENÇA
          
         Os termos da licença que se seguem aplicam-se a todos os trabalhos
         da Open Publication, a menos que tal em contrário seja 
         explicitamente referido no documento.
@@ -60,7 +60,7 @@
         expressas ou implícitas, incluindo, mas não se limitando a,
         as garantias implícitas de mercantibilidade e adequação a um
         determinado fim ou uma garantia de não-infracção.
-      
        6. REQUISITOS PARA OS TRABALHOS MODIFICADOS
          
+      
        7. REQUISITOS PARA OS TRABALHOS MODIFICADOS
          
 	Todas as versões modificadas dos documentos cobertos por esta licença,
         incluindo as traduções, antologias, compilações e documentos parciais,
         deverão obedecer aos seguintes requisitos:
@@ -80,7 +80,7 @@
             O(s) nome(s) do(s) autor(es) não poderá ser usado para validar
             ou implicar a aprovação do documento resultante sem a permissão
             dos mesmos.
-	  
      2. RECOMENDAÇÕES DE BOAS PRÁTICAS
        
+	  
    25. RECOMENDAÇÕES DE BOAS PRÁTICAS
      
         Para além dos requisitos desta licença, pede-se e é fortemente
         recomendado aos distribuidores que:
       
      1. 
@@ -100,7 +100,7 @@
             considerado de bom tom oferecer uma cópia gratuita de qualquer
             expressão impressa ou em CD-ROM de um trabalho licenciado pela
             Open Publication aos seus autores.
-	  
    26. OPÇÕES DA LICENÇA
      
+	  
    27. OPÇÕES DA LICENÇA
      
         O(s) autor(es) e/ou publicador de um documento licenciado pela
         Open Publication poderá eleger centras opções, adicionando alguma
         linguagem à referência ou à cópia da licença. Estas opções são


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diff -u -r1.3 -r1.4
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+++ rv-revhistory.php	12 Apr 2007 23:43:21 -0000	1.4
@@ -7,70 +7,74 @@
 
 ?>
 
-
      Historial de Revisões
      Revisão 0.3.72006-10-14PWF
      
+
      Historial de Revisões
      Revisão 0.3.7.12007-04-03
      
+        
      
+          Gerar novas entidades gerais de manutenção dos POT e PO
+        
      
+      
      Revisão 0.3.72006-10-14
      
         
      
           Correcção de URL errado (#209900)
         
      
-      
      Revisão 0.3.62006-09-20MO
      
+      
      Revisão 0.3.62006-09-20
      
         
      
           Correcções de erros (#198726, #204266, #205167)
         
      
-      
      Revisão 0.3.52006-08-14PWF
      
+      
      Revisão 0.3.52006-08-14
      
         
      
           Passo editorial, revisão para corresponder a uma ordem
           correcta
         
      
-      
      Revisão 0.3.42006-08-10MO
      
+      
      Revisão 0.3.42006-08-10
      
         
      
           Informação adicional de inscrição no Projecto Fedora e no
           GPG.
         
      
-      
      Revisão 0.3.32006-08-06PWF
      
+      
      Revisão 0.3.32006-08-06
      
         
      
           Passo de remoção da tradução do rpm-info, dado que este
           faz agora parte do POT do documento
         
      
-      
      Revisão 0.3.22006-07-03PWF
      
+      
      Revisão 0.3.22006-07-03
      
         
      
           Correcção do procedimento de tradução do documento para
           incluir as traduções de outros ficheiros comuns
         
      
-      
      Revisão 0.3.12006-05-28PWF
      
+      
      Revisão 0.3.12006-05-28
      
         
      
           Adição de informações sobre as entidades comuns e
           admoestação dos locais desactivados
         
      
-      
      Revisão 0.32006-05-27PWF
      
+      
      Revisão 0.32006-05-27
      
         
      
           Correcção do guia de procedimentos e inclusão das entidades
           específicas do documento
         
      
-      
      Revisão 0.2.2.22006-02-13PWF
      
+      
      Revisão 0.2.2.22006-02-13
      
         
      
           Mudança para o DocBook XML 4.4 e uso do XInclude
         
      
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      Revisão 0.2.2.12006-02-02PWF
      
+      
      Revisão 0.2.2.12006-02-02
      
         
      
           Correcção ortográfica (#179717)
         
      
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      Revisão 0.2.22006-02-01PWF
      
+      
      Revisão 0.2.22006-02-01
      
         
      
           Adição da entidade de comunicação de erros
         
      
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      Revisão 0.2.12006-01-30PWF
      
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      Revisão 0.2.12006-01-30
      
         
      
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           Edição adicional do estilo, divisão dos procedimentos em
           secções mais legíveis
         
      
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      Revisão 0.1Fri Jan 20 2006PWF
      
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      Revisão 0.0.1Wed Jan 18 2006
      
         
      
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@@ -81,3 +85,4 @@
 
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diff -u -r1.3 -r1.4
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@@ -11,11 +11,11 @@
 ssh-keygen -t dsa
 
      Aceite o local predefinido (~/.ssh/id_dsa) e indique uma frase-senha.
      [Cuidado]Não se Esqueça da sua Frase-Senha!
      Irá necessitar da sua frase-senha para aceder ao repositório de CVS. Não poderá ser recuperada se se esquecer dela.
    28. Mude as permissões da sua chave e da pasta .ssh:
       chmod 700 ~/.ssh
-
    29. Copie e cole a chave de SSH no espaço oferecido, para completar o pedido de registo da conta.
      30. 2.2. Contas para a Tradução de Programas
      Para participar no Projecto Fedora como tradutor, é necessária uma conta. Poderá pedir uma conta em http://i18n.redhat.com/cgi-bin/i18n-signup/. Terá de indicar um nome de utilizador, um endereço de e-mail, uma língua-alvo — o mais provável é ser a sua língua nativa — e a parte pública da sua chave de SSH.
      Existem também duas listas onde poderá discutir assuntos de traduções. A primeira é a fedora-trans-list, uma lista geral para discutir problemas que afectem!
  todas as línguas. Veja em http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-trans-list para obter mais informações. A segunda é a lista específica da língua, como a fedora-trans-pt dos tradutores para Português, para discutir questões que afectem apenas a comunidade individual dos tradutores.
      2.3. Transferir a Documentação
      Siga este procedimento para começar a trabalhar directamente com o Projecto de Documentação do Fedora, para traduzir a documentação.
      1. O Projecto de Documentação do Fedora encoraja todos os participantes a assinar os e-mails com uma chave de GPG. Para criar uma chave, use o seguinte comando:
        +
      2. Copie e cole a chave de SSH no espaço oferecido, para completar o pedido de registo da conta.
      2.2. Contas para a Tradução de Programas
      Para participar no Fedora Project como tradutor, é necessária uma conta. Poderá pedir uma conta em http://i18n.redhat.com/cgi-bin/i18n-signup/. Terá de indicar um nome de utilizador, um endereço de e-mail, uma língua-alvo — o mais provável é ser a sua língua nativa — e a parte pública da sua chave de SSH.
      Existem também duas listas onde poderá discutir assuntos de traduções. A primeira é a fedora-trans-list, uma lista geral para discutir problemas que afectem !
 todas as línguas. Veja em http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-trans-list para obter mais informações. A segunda é a lista específica da língua, como a fedora-trans-pt dos tradutores para Português, para discutir questões que afectem apenas a comunidade individual dos tradutores.
      2.3. Transferir a Documentação
      Siga este procedimento para começar a trabalhar directamente com o Fedora Documentation Project, para traduzir a documentação.
      1. O Fedora Documentation Project encoraja todos os participantes a assinar os e-mails com uma chave de GPG. Para criar uma chave, use o seguinte comando:
         gpg --gen-key
 
        Uma série de linhas de comando guiá-lo-á pelo processo. Carregue em Enter para seleccionar os valores predefinidos.
        Deverá exportar a sua chave pública, para que as outras pessoas possam verificar a sua assinatura. Use este comando para exportar a sua chave para um servidor público:
         gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --send-keys ID-CHAVE-GPG
-
      2. Deverá também publicar uma breve auto-apresentação na lista de correio do Projecto de Documentação do Fedora. Para o fazer, preencha este formulário em http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-docs-list/.
      3. Deverá também publicar uma breve auto-apresentação na lista de correio do Projecto de Documentação do Fedora. Para mais detalhes, veja em http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/SelfIntroduction.
      4. Terá também de pedir uma conta do Fedora. Vá a https://admin.fedoraproject.org/accounts/ e seleccione a opção Apply for a new account (Pedir uma conta no!
 va). Depois de preencher este formulário, ficará com uma conta básica.
        Deverá completar o Contributors License Agreement (CLA - Acordo de Licença de Contribuição); veja mais instruções em http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/AccountSystem/CLAHowTo.
      5. Depois de ter terminado com sucesso o CLA, volte ao sistema de contas e seleccione a opção Edit Your Account (Edite a Sua Conta). Indique a senha que recebeu por e-mail e seleccione a opção Add new membership (Adicionar nova inscrição como membro) no fundo da página. No campo   Groupname (Nome do Grupo), indique cvsdocs e seleccione Add!
 
        [Importante]O Acesso de CVS Não É Automático
        Quando preencher este formulário, não ficará automaticamente com acesso de escrita ao repositório do CVS. Poderá necessitar de patrocínio de um dos gestores do Projecto de Documentação do Fedora para obter este acesso.
      6. O próximo passo é criar uma conta no Wiki. Preencha este formulário em htt!
 p://fedoraproject.org/wiki/UserPreferences e seleccione Create Profile (Criar o Perfil).
      7. Contacte uma pessoa qualquer com acesso de edição e peça para ser adicionado à conta de edição do Wiki em http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/EditGroup. Podê-lo-á fazer no IRC ou publicando o pedido na lista de correio fedora-docs-list, onde se inscreveu num passo anterior.
      Anterior   Próximo
      Guia Introdutório R&#!
 225;pido de Traduções Início 3. Tradução das Aplicações
      
+
    30. Deverá também publicar uma breve auto-apresentação na lista de correio do Fedora Documentation Project. Para o fazer, preencha este formulário em http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-docs-list/.
    31. Deverá também publicar uma breve auto-apresentação na lista de correio do Fedora Documentation Project. Para mais detalhes, veja em http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/SelfIntroduction.
    32. Terá também de pedir uma conta do Fedora. Vá a https://admin.fedoraproject.org/accounts/ e seleccione a opção Apply for a new account (Pedir uma conta nova). Depois de preencher este fo!
 rmulário, ficará com uma conta básica.
      Deverá completar o Contributors License Agreement (CLA - Acordo de Licença de Contribuição); veja mais instruções em http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/AccountSystem/CLAHowTo.
    33. Depois de ter terminado com sucesso o CLA, volte ao sistema de contas e seleccione a opção Edit Your Account (Edite a Sua Conta). Indique a senha que recebeu por e-mail e seleccione a opção Add new membership (Adicionar nova inscrição como membro) no fundo da página. No campo   Groupname (Nome do Grupo), indique cvsdocs e seleccione Add (Adicionar). Esta !
 ac
#227;o pedirá o acesso ao repositório de CVS onde está guardada a documentação.
      [Importante]O Acesso de CVS Não É Automático
      Quando preencher este formulário, não ficará automaticamente com acesso de escrita ao repositório do CVS. Poderá necessitar de patrocínio de um dos gestores do Fedora Documentation Project para obter este acesso.
    34. O próximo passo é criar uma conta no Wiki. Preencha este formulário em http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/UserPreferences!
  e seleccione Create Profile (Criar o Perfil).
    35. Contacte uma pessoa qualquer com acesso de edição e peça para ser adicionado à conta de edição do Wiki em http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/EditGroup. Podê-lo-á fazer no IRC ou publicando o pedido na lista de correio fedora-docs-list, onde se inscreveu num passo anterior.
      36. !
 
      Anterior   Próximo
      Guia Introdutório Rápido de Traduções In&
7;cio 3. Tradução das Aplicações
      
 displayFooter('$Date$');


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diff -u -r1.3 -r1.4
--- sn_translating_docs.php	15 Oct 2006 15:20:18 -0000	1.3
+++ sn_translating_docs.php	12 Apr 2007 23:43:21 -0000	1.4
@@ -7,7 +7,7 @@
 
 ?>
 
-
      4. Traduzir a Documentação
      Anterior   
      4. Traduzir a Documentação
      Para traduzir a documentação, precisa de um sistema Fedora Core 5 ou posterior com os seguintes pacotes instalados:
      • gnome-doc-utils
      • xmlto
      • make
      Para instalar estes pacotes, use o seguinte comando:
      +
      4. Traduzir a Documentação
      Anterior   
      4. Traduzir a Documentação
      Para traduzir a documentação, precisa de um sistema Fedora 5 ou posterior com os seguintes pacotes instalados:
      • gnome-doc-utils
      • xmlto
      • make
      Para instalar estes pacotes, use o seguinte comando:
       su -c 'yum install gnome-doc-utils xmlto make'
 
      4.1. Transferir a Documentação
      A documentação do Fedora está também armazenada num repositório do CVS, sob a pasta docs/. O processo de obtenção da documentação é semelhante ao usado para obter os ficheiros .po. Para listar os módulos disponíveis, execute os seguintes comandos:
       export CVSROOT=:ext:utilizador@cvs.fedoraproject.org:/cvs/docs


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diff -u -r1.3 -r1.4
--- sn_translating_software.php	15 Oct 2006 15:20:18 -0000	1.3
+++ sn_translating_software.php	12 Apr 2007 23:43:21 -0000	1.4
@@ -7,11 +7,11 @@
 
 ?>
 
-
      3. Tradução das Aplicações
      Anterior   Próximo
      3. Tradução das Aplicações
      A parte que pode ser traduzida de um pacote de 'software' está disponível num ou mais ficheiros po. O Projecto Fedora guarda estes ficheiros num repositório de CVS, na pasta translate/. Logo que a sua conta tenha sido aprovada, transfira esta pasta, escrevendo as seguintes!
  instruções numa linha de comandos:
      +
      3. Tradução das Aplicações
      Anterior   Próximo
      3. Tradução das Aplicações
      A parte que pode ser traduzida de um pacote de 'software' está disponível num ou mais ficheiros po. O Fedora Project guarda estes ficheiros num repositório de CVS, na pasta translate/. Logo que a sua conta tenha sido aprovada, transfira esta pasta, escrevendo as seguintes !
 instruções numa linha de comandos:
       export CVS_RSH=ssh
 export CVSROOT=:ext:utilizador@i18n.redhat.com:/usr/local/CVS 
 cvs -z9 co translate/
-
      Estes comando transferem todos os módulos e ficheiros .po para a sua máquina, seguindo a mesma hierarquia do repositório. Cada uma das pastas contém um ficheiro .pot, como por exemplo o anaconda.pot, e os ficheiros .po de cada língua, como o pt.po, o de.po, e assim por diante.
      Poderá verificar o estado das traduções em http://i18n.redhat.com/cgi-bin/i18n-status. Escolha a sua língua na lista que aparece ou veja o estado global. Seleccione um pacote para ver o responsável pela manutenção e o nome do último tradutor deste módulo. Se quiser traduzir um módulo, contacte a lista específica da sua língua e deixe que a sua comunidade sa!
 iba que você está a trabalhar nesse módulo. No fim, seleccione take (bloquear) na página de estado. O módulo fica então atribuído a si. Na linha de comandos da senha, escreva a que recebeu por e-mail, quando registou a sua conta.
      [Nota]Pedir uma Página de Estado para uma Língua
      Se a sua língua não está na lista de línguas disponíveis, seleccione Other (Outra) e carregue em Show Status (Mostrar o Estado). Na nova página que aparece, poderá selecciona!
 r a sua língua e carregar em Co
nue (Continuar) para mostrar o seu interesse. Envie um e-mail para a lista , deixando a linha do assunto intacta e demonstrando o seu interesse em contribuir para a tradução do Projecto Fedora para a língua seleccionada.
      Poderá agora começar a traduzir.
      3.1. Traduzir as Mensagens
      1. Mude para a pasta onde se encontra o pacote que obteve.
        +
        Estes comando transferem todos os módulos e ficheiros .po para a sua máquina, seguindo a mesma hierarquia do repositório. Cada uma das pastas contém um ficheiro .pot, como por exemplo o anaconda.pot, e os ficheiros .po de cada língua, como o pt.po, o de.po, e assim por diante.
        Poderá verificar o estado das traduções em http://i18n.redhat.com/cgi-bin/i18n-status. Escolha a sua língua na lista que aparece ou veja o estado global. Seleccione um pacote para ver o responsável pela manutenção e o nome do último tradutor deste módulo. Se quiser traduzir um módulo, contacte a lista específica da sua língua e deixe que a sua comunidade sa!
 iba que você está a trabalhar nesse módulo. No fim, seleccione take (bloquear) na página de estado. O módulo fica então atribuído a si. Na linha de comandos da senha, escreva a que recebeu por e-mail, quando registou a sua conta.
        [Nota]Pedir uma Página de Estado para uma Língua
        Se a sua língua não está na lista de línguas disponíveis, seleccione Other (Outra) e carregue em Show Status (Mostrar o Estado). Na nova página que aparece, poderá selecciona!
 r a sua língua e carregar em Co
nue (Continuar) para mostrar o seu interesse. Envie um e-mail para a lista , deixando a linha do assunto intacta e demonstrando o seu interesse em contribuir para a tradução para a língua seleccionada no Fedora.
        Poderá agora começar a traduzir.
        3.1. Traduzir as Mensagens
        1. Mude para a pasta onde se encontra o pacote que obteve.
           cd ~/translate/nome_pacote
 
        2. Actualize os ficheiros com o seguinte comando:
           cvs up



From fedora-websites-list at redhat.com  Thu Apr 12 23:45:25 2007
From: fedora-websites-list at redhat.com (Paul W. Frields (pfrields))
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 19:45:25 -0400
Subject: web/html/docs index.php,1.33,1.34
Message-ID: <200704122345.l3CNjPi7018768@cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com>

Author: pfrields

Update of /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs
In directory cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv18748

Modified Files:
	index.php 
Log Message:
Add links to new TQSG translations in locales: pa sr zh_CN



Index: index.php
===================================================================
RCS file: /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/index.php,v
retrieving revision 1.33
retrieving revision 1.34
diff -u -r1.33 -r1.34
--- index.php	1 Apr 2007 17:57:48 -0000	1.33
+++ index.php	12 Apr 2007 23:45:23 -0000	1.34
@@ -60,11 +60,14 @@
 it | 
 ja_JP | 
 nl | 
+pa |
 pl | 
 pt | 
 pt_BR | 
 ru |
-sv)
          
+sr |
+sv |
+zh_CN)
          
 
      		
 
      
 
      



From sundaram at fedoraproject.org  Sun Apr 15 11:12:38 2007
From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram)
Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 16:42:38 +0530
Subject: 404 in most f.r.c web pages
In-Reply-To: <1176337950.5208.140.camel@erato.phig.org>
References: <461ADE0C.9060608@glezos.com>
	<1176337950.5208.140.camel@erato.phig.org>
Message-ID: <462208A6.2010702@fedoraproject.org>

Karsten Wade wrote:
> On Tue, 2007-04-10 at 01:45 +0100, Dimitris Glezos wrote:
>> Hey all.
>>
>> By visiting http://i18n.redhat.com/cgi-bin/i18n-signup/ I tried to view a bunch
>> of fedora.redhat.com pages and they all return 404:
>>
>>  * http://fedora.redhat.com/participate/
>>  * http://fedora.redhat.com/about/
>>  * http://fedora.redhat.com/projects/artwork/
>>  * http://fedora.redhat.com/legal/
>>  * http://fedora.redhat.com/about/trademarks/
> 
> Where should each of these go to?
> 
> We're basically installing redirects where needed, aiui.

These are the respective links

  * http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/HelpWanted (or Join if you insist)
  * http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Overview
  * http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork
  * http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Legal
  * http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Legal/TrademarkGuidelines

Rahul



From mmcgrath at redhat.com  Mon Apr 16 01:05:23 2007
From: mmcgrath at redhat.com (Mike McGrath)
Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 20:05:23 -0500
Subject: 404 in most f.r.c web pages
In-Reply-To: <462208A6.2010702@fedoraproject.org>
References: <461ADE0C.9060608@glezos.com>	<1176337950.5208.140.camel@erato.phig.org>
	<462208A6.2010702@fedoraproject.org>
Message-ID: <4622CBD3.1030907@redhat.com>

Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> Karsten Wade wrote:
>> On Tue, 2007-04-10 at 01:45 +0100, Dimitris Glezos wrote:
>>> Hey all.
>>>
>>> By visiting http://i18n.redhat.com/cgi-bin/i18n-signup/ I tried to 
>>> view a bunch
>>> of fedora.redhat.com pages and they all return 404:
>>>
>>>  * http://fedora.redhat.com/participate/
>>>  * http://fedora.redhat.com/about/
>>>  * http://fedora.redhat.com/projects/artwork/
>>>  * http://fedora.redhat.com/legal/
>>>  * http://fedora.redhat.com/about/trademarks/
>>
>> Where should each of these go to?
>>
>> We're basically installing redirects where needed, aiui.
>
> These are the respective links
>
>  * http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/HelpWanted (or Join if you insist)
>  * http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Overview
>  * http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork
>  * http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Legal
>  * http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Legal/TrademarkGuidelines
Updated.

    -Mike



From dimitris at glezos.com  Mon Apr 16 10:48:46 2007
From: dimitris at glezos.com (Dimitris Glezos)
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 11:48:46 +0100
Subject: 404 in most f.r.c web pages
In-Reply-To: <1176337950.5208.140.camel@erato.phig.org>
References: <461ADE0C.9060608@glezos.com>
	<1176337950.5208.140.camel@erato.phig.org>
Message-ID: <4623548E.1010201@glezos.com>

O/H Karsten Wade ??????:
> On Tue, 2007-04-10 at 01:45 +0100, Dimitris Glezos wrote:
>> Hey all.
>>
>> By visiting http://i18n.redhat.com/cgi-bin/i18n-signup/ I tried to view a bunch
>> of fedora.redhat.com pages and they all return 404:
>>
>>  * http://fedora.redhat.com/participate/
>>  * http://fedora.redhat.com/about/
>>  * http://fedora.redhat.com/projects/artwork/
>>  * http://fedora.redhat.com/legal/
>>  * http://fedora.redhat.com/about/trademarks/
> 
> Where should each of these go to?
> 
> We're basically installing redirects where needed, aiui.

Some months ago I updated many, many pages in our CVS with redirects. Someone
could dig them up and do a `find | xargs grep redirect.inc` in them.

See also:

  https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=189069

-d


>> I remember manually redirecting all these to the corresponding wiki pages a
>> while back; when we said "nuke" we actually meant "nuke to the bone"?
> 
> Because there isn't a 1:1 structure, we couldn't make a rule to redirect
> URL-A/$1 to URL-B/$1.
> 
>> http://i18n.redhat.com/cgi-bin/i18n-signup/ still looks like the old site and so
>> does http://download.fedora.redhat.com/.
> 
> Maybe Mike will have better luck getting any kind of changes made on
> those sites.  If we have a specific patch that can be applied, for
> example, that is more likely to get us success.
> 
> - Karsten
> 


-- 
Dimitris Glezos
Jabber ID: glezos at jabber.org, GPG: 0xA5A04C3B
http://dimitris.glezos.com/

"He who gives up functionality for ease of use
loses both and deserves neither." (Anonymous)
-- 



From tchung at fedoraproject.org  Thu Apr 19 22:45:52 2007
From: tchung at fedoraproject.org (Thomas Chung)
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 15:45:52 -0700
Subject: Joining the Fedora Internationalization Project
Message-ID: <369bce3b0704191545h2e79742dpd2531edf0b632398@mail.gmail.com>

We need some content for i18n/join page.
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/I18N/Join

Any volunteer?
Regards,
-- 
Thomas Chung
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung



From fedora-websites-list at redhat.com  Fri Apr 20 17:20:44 2007
From: fedora-websites-list at redhat.com (Karsten Wade (kwade))
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 13:20:44 -0400
Subject: web/html/docs/release-notes index.php,1.30,1.31
Message-ID: <200704201720.l3KHKila027576@cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com>

Author: kwade

Update of /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/release-notes
In directory cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv27559

Modified Files:
	index.php 
Log Message:
updating date on this standard page


Index: index.php
===================================================================
RCS file: /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/release-notes/index.php,v
retrieving revision 1.30
retrieving revision 1.31
diff -u -r1.30 -r1.31
--- index.php	22 Mar 2007 15:35:49 -0000	1.30
+++ index.php	20 Apr 2007 17:20:42 -0000	1.31
@@ -16,7 +16,7 @@
 
      
 
      
 
      
-  The Fedora 7 Release Notes schedule is available here.  We need your contributions prior to the F7 test4 wiki freeze (2007-04-02).  You can find out how to add a note here.
+  The Fedora 7 Release Notes schedule is available here.  We need your contributions prior to the F7 test4 wiki freeze (2007-04-20).  You can find out how to add a note here.
 
      
 
      
 
      



From wilmer at fedoraproject.org  Mon Apr 23 02:02:07 2007
From: wilmer at fedoraproject.org (Wilmer Jaramillo M.)
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 22:02:07 -0400
Subject: Translate of the New Join page in Spanish
Message-ID: <2b26c4260704221902v11c67083w4be70b54af1b3f09@mail.gmail.com>

hi, I have translated the new Join page
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Join into Spanish language available
under:

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/es_ES/Participa

Greetings.

-- 
Wilmer Jaramillo M.
GPG Key Fingerprint = 0666 D0D3 24CE 8935 9C24 BBF1 87DD BEA2 A4B2 1E8A



From jdub2005 at gmail.com  Mon Apr 23 18:17:02 2007
From: jdub2005 at gmail.com (Kamisamanou Burgess)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 13:17:02 -0500
Subject: Marketing information on FedoraProject.org
Message-ID: <382cb7fb0704231117w7ccbbcddq2e8d169e7a9298ec@mail.gmail.com>

It is my personal opinion that a link to the Marketing Resources page(
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/Banners ) should be place in a more
prominent position on the frontpage( http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ ). Good
locations would be:
The Navigation menu on the right of the page
Amongst this link set

 About  | Get
Fedora|
FAQs  |
Documentation|
Communicate  |
International

Join  | Fedora 7
Schedule| Other
Languages  | Software
Infofeed| Planet
Fedora 
The reason for this suggestion is to make it simpler for people who would
like to use such images for marketing on their websites/blogs to find them.
Currently anyone wanting this information must scroll down to the bottom of
the page, click "Fedora Marketing", click "Resources", and then click
"Fedora Banners".

I would have changed this myself, but considering my lack of prominence
among the Edit Group, I figured I should bring it here first.
-- 
Sayonara,
Kamisamanou Burgess
Kamisamanou.net - http://www.kamisamanou.net
ClubFBC - http://www.clubfbc.com
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From mmcgrath at redhat.com  Tue Apr 24 15:58:14 2007
From: mmcgrath at redhat.com (Mike McGrath)
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 10:58:14 -0500
Subject: Plone and static content
Message-ID: <462E2916.8030007@redhat.com>

So Fedora is starting to mature a bit more in size and I wanted to get 
this ball rolling.

Since fedora.redhat.com is now gone the wiki is our official content 
site.  There's a couple problems with that, performance is an issue and 
most content on the wiki is developer oriented.  One thing we're working 
on right now for the F7 release is a simple plone instance for the 
fedoraproject.org landing page.  Note, the wiki isn't going away, but 
when users go to fedoraproject.org they'll see more end-user content.

My question for you guys is, once FAS2 is done and we get into having 
more 'official content'.  What do you guys want to do with a plone 
site?  The doc's guys will have their own site.  Is anyone interested in 
this project?  The idea is that the 'official' fedora site will be very 
small.  Having only minimal information for end users and potential 
contributors.  It would then link to the larger sites like the wiki.

Thoughts?

    -Mike



From tchung at fedoraproject.org  Tue Apr 24 20:43:53 2007
From: tchung at fedoraproject.org (Thomas Chung)
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 13:43:53 -0700
Subject: Plone and static content
In-Reply-To: <462E2916.8030007@redhat.com>
References: <462E2916.8030007@redhat.com>
Message-ID: <369bce3b0704241343h4df72afamd85979feb57daf14@mail.gmail.com>

On 4/24/07, Mike McGrath  wrote:
> So Fedora is starting to mature a bit more in size and I wanted to get
> this ball rolling.
>
> Since fedora.redhat.com is now gone the wiki is our official content
> site.  There's a couple problems with that, performance is an issue and
> most content on the wiki is developer oriented.  One thing we're working
> on right now for the F7 release is a simple plone instance for the
> fedoraproject.org landing page.  Note, the wiki isn't going away, but
> when users go to fedoraproject.org they'll see more end-user content.
>
> My question for you guys is, once FAS2 is done and we get into having
> more 'official content'.  What do you guys want to do with a plone
> site?  The doc's guys will have their own site.  Is anyone interested in
> this project?  The idea is that the 'official' fedora site will be very
> small.  Having only minimal information for end users and potential
> contributors.  It would then link to the larger sites like the wiki.
>
> Thoughts?
>
>     -Mike

Hi Mike,
Can we see the site in development yet?
I've been thinking we could use the plone site for
news/communication/marketing site for fedora end-users. Of course a
plenty of distribution/project information should be available which
lead to joining various Fedora Projects including developments and
testings.
Regards,
-- 
Thomas Chung
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung



From tchung at fedoraproject.org  Tue Apr 24 20:48:34 2007
From: tchung at fedoraproject.org (Thomas Chung)
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 13:48:34 -0700
Subject: Plone and static content
In-Reply-To: <369bce3b0704241343h4df72afamd85979feb57daf14@mail.gmail.com>
References: <462E2916.8030007@redhat.com>
	<369bce3b0704241343h4df72afamd85979feb57daf14@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <369bce3b0704241348k4235d7a2ya1c9ec54d12ffb7b@mail.gmail.com>

On 4/24/07, Thomas Chung  wrote:
> On 4/24/07, Mike McGrath  wrote:
> > So Fedora is starting to mature a bit more in size and I wanted to get
> > this ball rolling.
> >
> > Since fedora.redhat.com is now gone the wiki is our official content
> > site.  There's a couple problems with that, performance is an issue and
> > most content on the wiki is developer oriented.  One thing we're working
> > on right now for the F7 release is a simple plone instance for the
> > fedoraproject.org landing page.  Note, the wiki isn't going away, but
> > when users go to fedoraproject.org they'll see more end-user content.
> >
> > My question for you guys is, once FAS2 is done and we get into having
> > more 'official content'.  What do you guys want to do with a plone
> > site?  The doc's guys will have their own site.  Is anyone interested in
> > this project?  The idea is that the 'official' fedora site will be very
> > small.  Having only minimal information for end users and potential
> > contributors.  It would then link to the larger sites like the wiki.
> >
> > Thoughts?
> >
> >     -Mike
>
> Hi Mike,
> Can we see the site in development yet?
> I've been thinking we could use the plone site for
> news/communication/marketing site for fedora end-users. Of course a
> plenty of distribution/project information should be available which
> lead to joining various Fedora Projects including developments and
> testings.

BTW, I really like simply approach such as http://www.gnome.org/
-- 
Thomas Chung
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung



From mmcgrath at redhat.com  Tue Apr 24 20:53:52 2007
From: mmcgrath at redhat.com (Mike McGrath)
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 15:53:52 -0500
Subject: Plone and static content
In-Reply-To: <369bce3b0704241343h4df72afamd85979feb57daf14@mail.gmail.com>
References: <462E2916.8030007@redhat.com>
	<369bce3b0704241343h4df72afamd85979feb57daf14@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <462E6E60.2080506@redhat.com>

Thomas Chung wrote:
> On 4/24/07, Mike McGrath  wrote:
>> So Fedora is starting to mature a bit more in size and I wanted to get
>> this ball rolling.
>>
>> Since fedora.redhat.com is now gone the wiki is our official content
>> site.  There's a couple problems with that, performance is an issue and
>> most content on the wiki is developer oriented.  One thing we're working
>> on right now for the F7 release is a simple plone instance for the
>> fedoraproject.org landing page.  Note, the wiki isn't going away, but
>> when users go to fedoraproject.org they'll see more end-user content.
>>
>> My question for you guys is, once FAS2 is done and we get into having
>> more 'official content'.  What do you guys want to do with a plone
>> site?  The doc's guys will have their own site.  Is anyone interested in
>> this project?  The idea is that the 'official' fedora site will be very
>> small.  Having only minimal information for end users and potential
>> contributors.  It would then link to the larger sites like the wiki.
>>
>> Thoughts?
>>
>>     -Mike
>
> Hi Mike,
> Can we see the site in development yet?
Not yet, I'm still in the process of learning plone myself, we've got 
jonathan on our team which is why I'm not as worried about it as I used 
to be.  But I'm armed with my book and some free time while we're 
waiting on installing the builders for the merge so this seems like a 
good time to get a sample site out.  It'll have very few authors and 
only 1 or 2 pages.  So if we have to destroy it later, no big deal.
> I've been thinking we could use the plone site for
> news/communication/marketing site for fedora end-users. Of course a
> plenty of distribution/project information should be available which
> lead to joining various Fedora Projects including developments and
> testings.

Absolutely, really the biggest blocker is getting a proper account 
system behind it which will happen shortly after F7 when fas2 launches.  
It's ldap based.  But as far as I'm concerned plone instances will come 
about just like anything else.  Fill out an RFR: 
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/RFR/ once we have a proper 
plone setup getting new instances should be trivial.

    -Mike



From mmcgrath at redhat.com  Wed Apr 25 03:14:32 2007
From: mmcgrath at redhat.com (Mike McGrath)
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 22:14:32 -0500
Subject: Plone and static content
In-Reply-To: <369bce3b0704241348k4235d7a2ya1c9ec54d12ffb7b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <462E2916.8030007@redhat.com>	<369bce3b0704241343h4df72afamd85979feb57daf14@mail.gmail.com>
	<369bce3b0704241348k4235d7a2ya1c9ec54d12ffb7b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <462EC798.3070803@redhat.com>

Thomas Chung wrote:
> On 4/24/07, Thomas Chung  wrote:
>> On 4/24/07, Mike McGrath  wrote:
>> > So Fedora is starting to mature a bit more in size and I wanted to get
>> > this ball rolling.
>> >
>> > Since fedora.redhat.com is now gone the wiki is our official content
>> > site.  There's a couple problems with that, performance is an issue 
>> and
>> > most content on the wiki is developer oriented.  One thing we're 
>> working
>> > on right now for the F7 release is a simple plone instance for the
>> > fedoraproject.org landing page.  Note, the wiki isn't going away, but
>> > when users go to fedoraproject.org they'll see more end-user content.
>> >
>> > My question for you guys is, once FAS2 is done and we get into having
>> > more 'official content'.  What do you guys want to do with a plone
>> > site?  The doc's guys will have their own site.  Is anyone 
>> interested in
>> > this project?  The idea is that the 'official' fedora site will be 
>> very
>> > small.  Having only minimal information for end users and potential
>> > contributors.  It would then link to the larger sites like the wiki.
>> >
>> > Thoughts?
>> >
>> >     -Mike
>>
>> Hi Mike,
>> Can we see the site in development yet?
>> I've been thinking we could use the plone site for
>> news/communication/marketing site for fedora end-users. Of course a
>> plenty of distribution/project information should be available which
>> lead to joining various Fedora Projects including developments and
>> testings.
>
> BTW, I really like simply approach such as http://www.gnome.org/

Yeah, this will be extremely simple.  Karsten pointed out:

wget -qO- http://fedoraproject.org/ | grep href | wc -l

There's 61 links on the current main page?!?!!  holy moly :)

    -Mike



From ricky at fedoraproject.org  Wed Apr 25 06:51:07 2007
From: ricky at fedoraproject.org (Ricky Zhou)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 02:51:07 -0400
Subject: Wiki Patch
In-Reply-To: <462EDEF1.5060602@fedoraproject.org>
References: <462EDEF1.5060602@fedoraproject.org>
Message-ID: <462EFA5B.6030308@fedoraproject.org>

Hi!

In the kindofblue theme, the sidebar is absolutely positioned, which
makes it overlap/cover the footer on short pages (e.g.
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Websites/Join?action=info).

I've made a quick patch to switch to a float-based layout and avoid this
problem.  The patch also replaces "sidebar-header" (purely
presentational markup) with a background-image on #header (this required
me to alter wiki-sidebar-header.png slightly).

I've put the relevant files up here:
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/RickyZhou/kindofblue

Side note: I just joined this group yesterday, so please let me know if
there are any tasks that I can look at/get involved in.

Thanks,
Ricky

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From tchung at fedoraproject.org  Wed Apr 25 19:29:02 2007
From: tchung at fedoraproject.org (Thomas Chung)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 12:29:02 -0700
Subject: Marketing information on FedoraProject.org
In-Reply-To: <382cb7fb0704231117w7ccbbcddq2e8d169e7a9298ec@mail.gmail.com>
References: <382cb7fb0704231117w7ccbbcddq2e8d169e7a9298ec@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <369bce3b0704251229i59771ca9q84186e0cf3065a75@mail.gmail.com>

On 4/23/07, Kamisamanou Burgess  wrote:
> It is my personal opinion that a link to the Marketing Resources page(
> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/Banners ) should be
> place in a more prominent position on the frontpage(
> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ ). Good locations would be:
> The Navigation menu on the right of the page
> Amongst this link set
>
>
>  About | Get Fedora | FAQs | Documentation | Communicate | International
>
>  Join | Fedora 7 Schedule | Other Languages | Software Infofeed | Planet
> Fedora The reason for this suggestion is to make it simpler for people who
> would like to use such images for marketing on their websites/blogs to find
> them. Currently anyone wanting this information must scroll down to the
> bottom of the page, click "Fedora Marketing", click "Resources", and then
> click "Fedora Banners".
>
> I would have changed this myself, but considering my lack of prominence
> among the Edit Group, I figured I should bring it here first.
> --


Kamisamanou,
This agenda has *not* been discussed enough nor approved by anyone in
senior members. Please revert back to previous version.
Regards,
-- 
Thomas Chung
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung



From sundaram at fedoraproject.org  Wed Apr 25 19:35:27 2007
From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram)
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 01:05:27 +0530
Subject: Marketing information on FedoraProject.org
In-Reply-To: <369bce3b0704251229i59771ca9q84186e0cf3065a75@mail.gmail.com>
References: <382cb7fb0704231117w7ccbbcddq2e8d169e7a9298ec@mail.gmail.com>
	<369bce3b0704251229i59771ca9q84186e0cf3065a75@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <462FAD7F.9020106@fedoraproject.org>

Thomas Chung wrote:
> On 4/23/07, Kamisamanou Burgess  wrote:
>> It is my personal opinion that a link to the Marketing Resources page(
>> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/Banners ) should be
>> place in a more prominent position on the frontpage(
>> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ ). Good locations would be:
>> The Navigation menu on the right of the page
>> Amongst this link set
>>
>>
>>  About | Get Fedora | FAQs | Documentation | Communicate | International
>>
>>  Join | Fedora 7 Schedule | Other Languages | Software Infofeed | Planet
>> Fedora The reason for this suggestion is to make it simpler for people 
>> who
>> would like to use such images for marketing on their websites/blogs to 
>> find
>> them. Currently anyone wanting this information must scroll down to the
>> bottom of the page, click "Fedora Marketing", click "Resources", and then
>> click "Fedora Banners".
>>
>> I would have changed this myself, but considering my lack of prominence
>> among the Edit Group, I figured I should bring it here first.
>> -- 
> 
> 
> Kamisamanou,
> This agenda has *not* been discussed enough nor approved by anyone in
> senior members. Please revert back to previous version.
> 

I have reverted this change. We have way too many links in the 
frontpage. I don't think we need more marketing links now. If anything 
invest in cleaning up http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing so that 
the links are prominent and content is well organized.

Next step would getting super simple content in the plone site up and 
running.

Rahul



From pramod at dvnull.org  Wed Apr 25 19:54:21 2007
From: pramod at dvnull.org (Pramod Venugopal)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 12:54:21 -0700
Subject: Plone and static content
In-Reply-To: <369bce3b0704241348k4235d7a2ya1c9ec54d12ffb7b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <462E2916.8030007@redhat.com>	<369bce3b0704241343h4df72afamd85979feb57daf14@mail.gmail.com>
	<369bce3b0704241348k4235d7a2ya1c9ec54d12ffb7b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <462FB1ED.6030206@dvnull.org>

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I like the simplicity of the Gnome website too.

Thomas Chung wrote:
> On 4/24/07, Thomas Chung  wrote:
>> On 4/24/07, Mike McGrath  wrote:
>>> So Fedora is starting to mature a bit more in size and I wanted
>>>
>> to get
>>> this ball rolling.
>>>
>>> Since fedora.redhat.com is now gone the wiki is our official
>>> content site.  There's a couple problems with that, performance
>>> is an
>> issue and
>>> most content on the wiki is developer oriented.  One thing
>>> we're
>> working
>>> on right now for the F7 release is a simple plone instance for
>>> the fedoraproject.org landing page.  Note, the wiki isn't going
>>> away,
>> but
>>> when users go to fedoraproject.org they'll see more end-user
>> content.
>>>
>>> My question for you guys is, once FAS2 is done and we get into
>> having
>>> more 'official content'.  What do you guys want to do with a
>>> plone site?  The doc's guys will have their own site.  Is
>>> anyone
>> interested in
>>> this project?  The idea is that the 'official' fedora site will
>>>
>> be very
>>> small.  Having only minimal information for end users and
>>> potential contributors.  It would then link to the larger sites
>>> like the wiki.
>>>
>>> Thoughts?
>>>
>>> -Mike
>>
>> Hi Mike, Can we see the site in development yet? I've been
>> thinking we could use the plone site for
>> news/communication/marketing site for fedora end-users. Of course
>> a plenty of distribution/project information should be available
>> which lead to joining various Fedora Projects including
>> developments and testings.
>
> BTW, I really like simply approach such as http://www.gnome.org/

- --
Pramod Venugopal
pramod at dvnull.org
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From mmcgrath at redhat.com  Wed Apr 25 23:29:51 2007
From: mmcgrath at redhat.com (Mike McGrath)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 18:29:51 -0500
Subject: Wiki Patch
In-Reply-To: <462EFA5B.6030308@fedoraproject.org>
References: <462EDEF1.5060602@fedoraproject.org>
	<462EFA5B.6030308@fedoraproject.org>
Message-ID: <462FE46F.5070800@redhat.com>

Ricky Zhou wrote:
> Hi!
>
> In the kindofblue theme, the sidebar is absolutely positioned, which
> makes it overlap/cover the footer on short pages (e.g.
> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Websites/Join?action=info).
>
> I've made a quick patch to switch to a float-based layout and avoid this
> problem.  The patch also replaces "sidebar-header" (purely
> presentational markup) with a background-image on #header (this required
> me to alter wiki-sidebar-header.png slightly).
>
> I've put the relevant files up here:
> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/RickyZhou/kindofblue
>
> Side note: I just joined this group yesterday, so please let me know if
> there are any tasks that I can look at/get involved in.
>   

As long as I get the ok from one of the 'website regulars' I'll commit 
this and import it.  Thomas, karsten, patrick, glezos?  anyone?

    -Mike



From kwade at redhat.com  Wed Apr 25 23:30:02 2007
From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten Wade)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 16:30:02 -0700
Subject: static page for F7 release, new directions
Message-ID: <1177543802.4056.139.camel@erato.phig.org>

For the Fedora 7 release, we are going to be using a static set of pages
for the front of fedoraproject.org.  For those of you who remember the
Fedora Core 6 release and how hammered the Wiki was, you'll be happy
that we can rest a bit easier for the coming release.

Here is a *mock-up* using current styling, based on some existing
conversations (source image below[1]); it is put forth for discussion on
this list:

http://people.redhat.com/~kwade/fedora/websites/images/main-page-redesign-0.1.png

Really, it's just a starting point for conversation.  I expect all ya'll
to speak up. :)

We'll either deliver this as a hand-built static set of pages, or we'll
use our spankin' new Plone instance[2] to output it.  Doing the latter
is useful because we simultaneously work up our CSS for Plone.

The static set of pages are:

Main page
  |=> Download via torrent
  |=> Download from a mirror
  |=> Fedora for end-users
  |=> Fedora for developers
  \=> Join Fedora

The only other links on the page are:
  
  [Docs] => docs.fedoraproject.org
  [Wiki] => fedoraproject.org/wiki (or wiki.fedoraproject.org?)
  Legal => fedoraproject.org/wiki/Legal
  Trademark Guidelines => http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Legal/TrademarkGuidelines

That is a reduction from 66 links (current front page) to 9.

The page we design or some variant of it can become the permanent
front-page for fedoraproject.org.  In that case, we'll work from the set
of redesign ideas from FUDCon[3], and in that scenario the links on the
page actually *reduce* to:

Main page
  |=> I want to do stuff with Fedora
  |=> I want to get Fedora and stuff
  |=> I want to join Fedora
  |=> Legal
  |=> Usage Policy
  \=> Trademark Guidelines
  
Something like that. :)

- Karsten

[1] Source GIMP file:
http://people.redhat.com/~kwade/fedora/websites/images/main-page-redesign-0.1.xcf

[2] http://fedoraproject.org/fedora/ is a Plone instance that, for
technical reasons, doesn't have full auth for everyone.  It is where we
are going to build out the design for the new pages.

[3] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Websites/MainPageRedesign2007
-- 
   Karsten Wade, 108 Editor       ^     Fedora Documentation Project 
 Sr. Developer Relations Mgr.     |  fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject
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From mmcgrath at redhat.com  Wed Apr 25 23:37:44 2007
From: mmcgrath at redhat.com (Mike McGrath)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 18:37:44 -0500
Subject: static page for F7 release, new directions
In-Reply-To: <1177543802.4056.139.camel@erato.phig.org>
References: <1177543802.4056.139.camel@erato.phig.org>
Message-ID: <462FE648.4050107@redhat.com>

Karsten Wade wrote:
> For the Fedora 7 release, we are going to be using a static set of pages
> for the front of fedoraproject.org.  For those of you who remember the
> Fedora Core 6 release and how hammered the Wiki was, you'll be happy
> that we can rest a bit easier for the coming release.
>
> Here is a *mock-up* using current styling, based on some existing
> conversations (source image below[1]); it is put forth for discussion on
> this list:
>
> http://people.redhat.com/~kwade/fedora/websites/images/main-page-redesign-0.1.png
>
> Really, it's just a starting point for conversation.  I expect all ya'll
> to speak up. :)
>
> We'll either deliver this as a hand-built static set of pages, or we'll
> use our spankin' new Plone instance[2] to output it.  Doing the latter
> is useful because we simultaneously work up our CSS for Plone.
>
> The static set of pages are:
>
> Main page
>   |=> Download via torrent
>   |=> Download from a mirror
>   |=> Fedora for end-users
>   |=> Fedora for developers
>   \=> Join Fedora
>
> The only other links on the page are:
>   
>   [Docs] => docs.fedoraproject.org
>   [Wiki] => fedoraproject.org/wiki (or wiki.fedoraproject.org?)
>   Legal => fedoraproject.org/wiki/Legal
>   Trademark Guidelines => http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Legal/TrademarkGuidelines
>
> That is a reduction from 66 links (current front page) to 9.
>
> The page we design or some variant of it can become the permanent
> front-page for fedoraproject.org.  In that case, we'll work from the set
> of redesign ideas from FUDCon[3], and in that scenario the links on the
> page actually *reduce* to:
>
> Main page
>   |=> I want to do stuff with Fedora
>   |=> I want to get Fedora and stuff
>   |=> I want to join Fedora
>   |=> Legal
>   |=> Usage Policy
>   \=> Trademark Guidelines
>   
> Something like that. :)
>   

Excellent, I'd like to get this out there soon so that it can be google 
indexed and such before the release.  I think initially we may want to 
reference the wiki directly.  Just because so many have come to know 
it.  I think just about everyone will be happy with a fresh minimal 
landing page for Fedora though.

    -Mike



From sundaram at fedoraproject.org  Wed Apr 25 23:38:03 2007
From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram)
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 05:08:03 +0530
Subject: Wiki Patch
In-Reply-To: <462FE46F.5070800@redhat.com>
References: <462EDEF1.5060602@fedoraproject.org>	<462EFA5B.6030308@fedoraproject.org>
	<462FE46F.5070800@redhat.com>
Message-ID: <462FE65B.3050002@fedoraproject.org>

Mike McGrath wrote:
> Ricky Zhou wrote:
>> Hi!
>>
>> In the kindofblue theme, the sidebar is absolutely positioned, which
>> makes it overlap/cover the footer on short pages (e.g.
>> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Websites/Join?action=info).
>>
>> I've made a quick patch to switch to a float-based layout and avoid this
>> problem.  The patch also replaces "sidebar-header" (purely
>> presentational markup) with a background-image on #header (this required
>> me to alter wiki-sidebar-header.png slightly).
>>
>> I've put the relevant files up here:
>> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/RickyZhou/kindofblue
>>
>> Side note: I just joined this group yesterday, so please let me know if
>> there are any tasks that I can look at/get involved in.
>>   
> 
> As long as I get the ok from one of the 'website regulars' I'll commit 
> this and import it.  Thomas, karsten, patrick, glezos?  anyone?

This is something I already requested in the wiki upgrade before. There 
is already a patch from Patrick Barnes floating around. We need to make 
sure we get this patch committed upstream though. Other than that I am 
all for it.

Rahul



From tchung at fedoraproject.org  Wed Apr 25 23:41:43 2007
From: tchung at fedoraproject.org (Thomas Chung)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 16:41:43 -0700
Subject: Wiki Patch
In-Reply-To: <462FE46F.5070800@redhat.com>
References: <462EDEF1.5060602@fedoraproject.org>
	<462EFA5B.6030308@fedoraproject.org> <462FE46F.5070800@redhat.com>
Message-ID: <369bce3b0704251641n2c0a2eb6t6819d40de8367978@mail.gmail.com>

On 4/25/07, Mike McGrath  wrote:
> Ricky Zhou wrote:
> > Hi!
> >
> > In the kindofblue theme, the sidebar is absolutely positioned, which
> > makes it overlap/cover the footer on short pages (e.g.
> > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Websites/Join?action=info).
> >
> > I've made a quick patch to switch to a float-based layout and avoid this
> > problem.  The patch also replaces "sidebar-header" (purely
> > presentational markup) with a background-image on #header (this required
> > me to alter wiki-sidebar-header.png slightly).
> >
> > I've put the relevant files up here:
> > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/RickyZhou/kindofblue
> >
> > Side note: I just joined this group yesterday, so please let me know if
> > there are any tasks that I can look at/get involved in.
> >
>
> As long as I get the ok from one of the 'website regulars' I'll commit
> this and import it.  Thomas, karsten, patrick, glezos?  anyone?
>
>     -Mike
>

I'm no expert on this area but It looks good to me. :)
Dimitris, please review the the patch be we commit.
Regards,
-- 
Thomas Chung
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung



From kwade at redhat.com  Wed Apr 25 23:46:14 2007
From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten Wade)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 16:46:14 -0700
Subject: Wiki Patch
In-Reply-To: <462FE65B.3050002@fedoraproject.org>
References: <462EDEF1.5060602@fedoraproject.org>
	<462EFA5B.6030308@fedoraproject.org> <462FE46F.5070800@redhat.com>
	<462FE65B.3050002@fedoraproject.org>
Message-ID: <1177544774.4056.151.camel@erato.phig.org>

On Thu, 2007-04-26 at 05:08 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote:

> This is something I already requested in the wiki upgrade before. There 
> is already a patch from Patrick Barnes floating around. We need to make 
> sure we get this patch committed upstream though. Other than that I am 
> all for it.

A CSS patch upstream?  Oh, it's the kindofblue.py.  Since that is
presentation layer stuff, even if it is Python and not CSS, is that
something that upstream wants?  Is there a way we can carry Python
patches the way we carry CSS patches?

For CSS, it is nice that you can define a style as the main style that
overrides other settings, so it is very different from a traditional
patch.  Yet, changes in the upstream CSS can require changes in our
custom CSS ... and thus isn't far off from the situation with
kindofblue.py.

I think we need to implement the fix and document it, just as we do CSS,
server configurations, etc.  Call it a customization in the form of a
Python patch. :)

- Karsten
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From tchung at fedoraproject.org  Wed Apr 25 23:48:27 2007
From: tchung at fedoraproject.org (Thomas Chung)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 16:48:27 -0700
Subject: static page for F7 release, new directions
In-Reply-To: <462FE648.4050107@redhat.com>
References: <1177543802.4056.139.camel@erato.phig.org>
	<462FE648.4050107@redhat.com>
Message-ID: <369bce3b0704251648we8c7c21h2f6e2c0d8500f44d@mail.gmail.com>

On 4/25/07, Mike McGrath  wrote:
> Excellent, I'd like to get this out there soon so that it can be google
> indexed and such before the release.  I think initially we may want to
> reference the wiki directly.  Just because so many have come to know
> it.  I think just about everyone will be happy with a fresh minimal
> landing page for Fedora though.

++1
Looking good!
-- 
Thomas Chung
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung



From kwade at redhat.com  Wed Apr 25 23:52:24 2007
From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten Wade)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 16:52:24 -0700
Subject: static page for F7 release, new directions
In-Reply-To: <462FE648.4050107@redhat.com>
References: <1177543802.4056.139.camel@erato.phig.org>
	<462FE648.4050107@redhat.com>
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On Wed, 2007-04-25 at 18:37 -0500, Mike McGrath wrote:
> Excellent, I'd like to get this out there soon so that it can be google 
> indexed and such before the release.  I think initially we may want to 
> reference the wiki directly.  Just because so many have come to know 
> it.  

You mean for the permanent front page redesign, reference the Wiki
directly? Perhaps so.  It is a bit out of place without referencing
other sources as I did in the mock-up.

/me just fixed something in the image and reuploaded, is thus satisfied
for the moment

- Karsten
-- 
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From tchung at fedoraproject.org  Wed Apr 25 23:53:09 2007
From: tchung at fedoraproject.org (Thomas Chung)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 16:53:09 -0700
Subject: static page for F7 release, new directions
In-Reply-To: <1177543802.4056.139.camel@erato.phig.org>
References: <1177543802.4056.139.camel@erato.phig.org>
Message-ID: <369bce3b0704251653w37850b62ne7ca360d0ed40ac0@mail.gmail.com>

On 4/25/07, Karsten Wade  wrote:
> Here is a *mock-up* using current styling, based on some existing
> conversations (source image below[1]); it is put forth for discussion on
> this list:
>
> http://people.redhat.com/~kwade/fedora/websites/images/main-page-redesign-0.1.png
>
> Really, it's just a starting point for conversation.  I expect all ya'll
> to speak up. :)
>

BTW, have we discussed regarding copyright years already?
Can we simply say "Copyright (c) 2003-2007 Red Hat Inc...." ?
Regards
-- 
Thomas Chung
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung



From sundaram at fedoraproject.org  Wed Apr 25 23:54:47 2007
From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram)
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 05:24:47 +0530
Subject: static page for F7 release, new directions
In-Reply-To: <1177545144.4056.156.camel@erato.phig.org>
References: <1177543802.4056.139.camel@erato.phig.org>	<462FE648.4050107@redhat.com>
	<1177545144.4056.156.camel@erato.phig.org>
Message-ID: <462FEA47.1040001@fedoraproject.org>

Karsten Wade wrote:
> On Wed, 2007-04-25 at 18:37 -0500, Mike McGrath wrote:
>> Excellent, I'd like to get this out there soon so that it can be google 
>> indexed and such before the release.  I think initially we may want to 
>> reference the wiki directly.  Just because so many have come to know 
>> it.  
> 
> You mean for the permanent front page redesign, reference the Wiki
> directly? Perhaps so.  It is a bit out of place without referencing
> other sources as I did in the mock-up.
> 
> /me just fixed something in the image and reuploaded, is thus satisfied
> for the moment

The end user vs developer difference might be a bit too blurred at times 
in Fedora. It is better to have a good overview page that in turn shows 
the benefits for both end users and developers maybe under different 
sections.

One less link!

Also do we really need a "We won't support you" sort of disclaimer. It 
sounds negative. It would be better to just say Red Hat sponsored and 
community supported instead.

Rahul



From tchung at fedoraproject.org  Wed Apr 25 23:58:51 2007
From: tchung at fedoraproject.org (Thomas Chung)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 16:58:51 -0700
Subject: static page for F7 release, new directions
In-Reply-To: <462FEA47.1040001@fedoraproject.org>
References: <1177543802.4056.139.camel@erato.phig.org>
	<462FE648.4050107@redhat.com>
	<1177545144.4056.156.camel@erato.phig.org>
	<462FEA47.1040001@fedoraproject.org>
Message-ID: <369bce3b0704251658l46f0f9c3g20acd2bca7539e93@mail.gmail.com>

On 4/25/07, Rahul Sundaram  wrote:
> Also do we really need a "We won't support you" sort of disclaimer. It
> sounds negative. It would be better to just say Red Hat sponsored and
> community supported instead.

Yes, I also prefer current disclaimer instead.
"The Fedora Project is maintained and driven by the community and
sponsored by Red Hat. "
-- 
Thomas Chung
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung



From jdub2005 at gmail.com  Thu Apr 26 01:10:54 2007
From: jdub2005 at gmail.com (Kamisamanou Burgess)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 20:10:54 -0500
Subject: Marketing information on FedoraProject.org
Message-ID: <382cb7fb0704251810q4481a97bk763d0ad6945903c2@mail.gmail.com>

Message: 2
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 01:05:27 +0530
From: Rahul Sundaram 
Subject: Re: Marketing information on FedoraProject.org
To: "For maintainers and developers of all formal Fedora websites."
       
Message-ID: <462FAD7F.9020106 at fedoraproject.org>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

Thomas Chung wrote:
> On 4/23/07, Kamisamanou Burgess  wrote:
>> It is my personal opinion that a link to the Marketing Resources page(
>> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/Banners ) should be
>> place in a more prominent position on the frontpage(
>> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ ). Good locations would be:
>> The Navigation menu on the right of the page
>> Amongst this link set
>>
>>
>>  About | Get Fedora | FAQs | Documentation | Communicate | International
>>
>>  Join | Fedora 7 Schedule | Other Languages | Software Infofeed | Planet
>> Fedora The reason for this suggestion is to make it simpler for people
>> who
>> would like to use such images for marketing on their websites/blogs to
>> find
>> them. Currently anyone wanting this information must scroll down to the
>> bottom of the page, click "Fedora Marketing", click "Resources", and then
>> click "Fedora Banners".
>>
>> I would have changed this myself, but considering my lack of prominence
>> among the Edit Group, I figured I should bring it here first.
>> --
>
>
> Kamisamanou,
> This agenda has *not* been discussed enough nor approved by anyone in
> senior members. Please revert back to previous version.
>

I have reverted this change. We have way too many links in the
frontpage. I don't think we need more marketing links now. If anything
invest in cleaning up http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing so that
the links are prominent and content is well organized.

Next step would getting super simple content in the plone site up and
running.

Rahul


I apologize for that. I did not know the exact procedure for modifications.
In the future I will be sure to make sure that I have explicit permission
before making any changes to any part of the wiki.
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From sundaram at fedoraproject.org  Thu Apr 26 01:19:29 2007
From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram)
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 06:49:29 +0530
Subject: Marketing information on FedoraProject.org
In-Reply-To: <382cb7fb0704251810q4481a97bk763d0ad6945903c2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <382cb7fb0704251810q4481a97bk763d0ad6945903c2@mail.gmail.com>
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Kamisamanou Burgess wrote:

> 
> I apologize for that. I did not know the exact procedure for 
> modifications. In the future I will be sure to make sure that I have 
> explicit permission before making any changes to any part of the wiki.

Generally we let people do any changes they prefer to the wiki but the 
front page is a very prominent face of the project. So a bit more 
verification is healthy.

Rahul



From kwade at redhat.com  Thu Apr 26 01:39:40 2007
From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten Wade)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 18:39:40 -0700
Subject: static page for F7 release, new directions
In-Reply-To: <369bce3b0704251658l46f0f9c3g20acd2bca7539e93@mail.gmail.com>
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On Wed, 2007-04-25 at 16:58 -0700, Thomas Chung wrote:
> On 4/25/07, Rahul Sundaram  wrote:
> > Also do we really need a "We won't support you" sort of disclaimer. It
> > sounds negative. It would be better to just say Red Hat sponsored and
> > community supported instead.
> 
> Yes, I also prefer current disclaimer instead.
> "The Fedora Project is maintained and driven by the community and
> sponsored by Red Hat. "

Sorry, I copied from an old location that still has that footer.  I'll
fix the old source (on docs.fp.o), too.

- Karsten
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From kwade at redhat.com  Thu Apr 26 01:47:13 2007
From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten Wade)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 18:47:13 -0700
Subject: static page for F7 release, new directions
In-Reply-To: <369bce3b0704251653w37850b62ne7ca360d0ed40ac0@mail.gmail.com>
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On Wed, 2007-04-25 at 16:53 -0700, Thomas Chung wrote:
> >
> 
> BTW, have we discussed regarding copyright years already?
> Can we simply say "Copyright (c) 2003-2007 Red Hat Inc...." ?

I've actually got an unfinished email to request a legal ruling on that.
It seems safer to enumerate the years until we hear that an inclusive is
good enough.

- Karsten
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From mmcgrath at redhat.com  Thu Apr 26 02:11:28 2007
From: mmcgrath at redhat.com (Mike McGrath)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 21:11:28 -0500
Subject: Marketing information on FedoraProject.org
In-Reply-To: <382cb7fb0704251810q4481a97bk763d0ad6945903c2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <382cb7fb0704251810q4481a97bk763d0ad6945903c2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <46300A50.7040701@redhat.com>

Kamisamanou Burgess wrote:
>
> I apologize for that. I did not know the exact procedure for 
> modifications.
> In the future I will be sure to make sure that I have explicit permission
> before making any changes to any part of the wiki.
>

Don't worry about it, the main page is something special just because it 
is the most trafficked.  It's a wiki, no harm done :)

    -Mike



From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro  Thu Apr 26 06:32:52 2007
From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei)
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 09:32:52 +0300
Subject: static page for F7 release, new directions
In-Reply-To: <1177543802.4056.139.camel@erato.phig.org>
References: <1177543802.4056.139.camel@erato.phig.org>
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Karsten Wade wrote:
> 
> Here is a *mock-up* using current styling, based on some existing
> conversations (source image below[1]); it is put forth for discussion on
> this list:
> 
> http://people.redhat.com/~kwade/fedora/websites/images/main-page-redesign-0.1.png
> 
> Really, it's just a starting point for conversation.  I expect all ya'll
> to speak up. :)

- personally I would prefer the text on the page to be black on white 
instead of blue on white, I find that more readable;
- I would put some icons next to the links on the page (download from 
mirror, download from bt, etc.), users like pretty icons (icons can be 
taken from the default Fedora desktop theme for consistency or we can do 
some new ones);
- the page has very little in actual content, search engines don't have 
much to index, I think a short description (one paragraph) about what 
Fedora is would be very useful on that page.

-- 
nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com
Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/
Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org
my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro



From holger-doerner at gmx.de  Thu Apr 26 11:15:51 2007
From: holger-doerner at gmx.de (Holger W. =?ISO-8859-1?Q?D=F6rner?=)
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 13:15:51 +0200
Subject: static page for F7 release, new directions
In-Reply-To: <1177543802.4056.139.camel@erato.phig.org>
References: <1177543802.4056.139.camel@erato.phig.org>
Message-ID: <1177586151.5206.5.camel@workstation-01.homenet>

Am Mittwoch, den 25.04.2007, 16:30 -0700 schrieb Karsten Wade:
> For the Fedora 7 release, we are going to be using a static set of pages
> for the front of fedoraproject.org.  For those of you who remember the
> Fedora Core 6 release and how hammered the Wiki was, you'll be happy
> that we can rest a bit easier for the coming release.
> 
> Here is a *mock-up* using current styling, based on some existing
> conversations (source image below[1]); it is put forth for discussion on
> this list:
> 
> http://people.redhat.com/~kwade/fedora/websites/images/main-page-redesign-0.1.png
> 
> Really, it's just a starting point for conversation.  I expect all ya'll
> to speak up. :)
> 
> We'll either deliver this as a hand-built static set of pages, or we'll
> use our spankin' new Plone instance[2] to output it.  Doing the latter
> is useful because we simultaneously work up our CSS for Plone.
> 
> The static set of pages are:
> 
> Main page
>   |=> Download via torrent
>   |=> Download from a mirror
>   |=> Fedora for end-users
>   |=> Fedora for developers
>   \=> Join Fedora
> 
> The only other links on the page are:
>   
>   [Docs] => docs.fedoraproject.org
>   [Wiki] => fedoraproject.org/wiki (or wiki.fedoraproject.org?)
>   Legal => fedoraproject.org/wiki/Legal
>   Trademark Guidelines => http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Legal/TrademarkGuidelines
> 
> That is a reduction from 66 links (current front page) to 9.
> 
> The page we design or some variant of it can become the permanent
> front-page for fedoraproject.org.  In that case, we'll work from the set
> of redesign ideas from FUDCon[3], and in that scenario the links on the
> page actually *reduce* to:
> 
> Main page
>   |=> I want to do stuff with Fedora
>   |=> I want to get Fedora and stuff
>   |=> I want to join Fedora
>   |=> Legal
>   |=> Usage Policy
>   \=> Trademark Guidelines
>   
> Something like that. :)
> 
> - Karsten
> 
> [1] Source GIMP file:
> http://people.redhat.com/~kwade/fedora/websites/images/main-page-redesign-0.1.xcf
> 
> [2] http://fedoraproject.org/fedora/ is a Plone instance that, for
> technical reasons, doesn't have full auth for everyone.  It is where we
> are going to build out the design for the new pages.
> 
> [3] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Websites/MainPageRedesign2007

+1
Looks good for me so far. But I would also prefer black text on white
background for readability.

There is one thing I miss: What about news?
I think we should place it on the main page too.


Regards,
-- 
Holger D?rner
German Fedora Ambassador
( http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/HolgerDoerner )

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From mmcgrath at redhat.com  Thu Apr 26 13:46:10 2007
From: mmcgrath at redhat.com (Mike McGrath)
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 08:46:10 -0500
Subject: static page for F7 release, new directions
In-Reply-To: <46304794.4010700@nicubunu.ro>
References: <1177543802.4056.139.camel@erato.phig.org>
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Nicu Buculei wrote:
> - the page has very little in actual content, search engines don't 
> have much to index, I think a short description (one paragraph) about 
> what Fedora is would be very useful on that page.

It was discussed that we could have more than one page.  Probably a 
download page or some such thing, an official about page wouldn't hurt, 
it could be on the download page or on its own page.

    -Mike



From dimitris at glezos.com  Thu Apr 26 13:51:27 2007
From: dimitris at glezos.com (Dimitris Glezos)
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 14:51:27 +0100
Subject: Wiki Patch
In-Reply-To: <369bce3b0704251641n2c0a2eb6t6819d40de8367978@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <4630AE5F.603@glezos.com>

O/H Thomas Chung ??????:
> On 4/25/07, Mike McGrath  wrote:
>> Ricky Zhou wrote:
>> >
>> > In the kindofblue theme, the sidebar is absolutely positioned, which
>> > makes it overlap/cover the footer on short pages (e.g.
>> > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Websites/Join?action=info).
>> >
>> > I've made a quick patch to switch to a float-based layout and avoid
>> this
>> > problem.  The patch also replaces "sidebar-header" (purely
>> > presentational markup) with a background-image on #header (this
>> required
>> > me to alter wiki-sidebar-header.png slightly).
>> >
>> > I've put the relevant files up here:
>> > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/RickyZhou/kindofblue
>> >
>> > Side note: I just joined this group yesterday, so please let me know if
>> > there are any tasks that I can look at/get involved in.
>>
>> As long as I get the ok from one of the 'website regulars' I'll commit
>> this and import it.  Thomas, karsten, patrick, glezos?  anyone?
> 
> I'm no expert on this area but It looks good to me. :)
> Dimitris, please review the the patch be we commit.

Patch seems OK to me; thanks for the initiative & patch Ricky. :)

The new `wiki-sidebar-header.png` has slightly different colors than the
original and the `repeat-y` property makes it look ragged. Ricky, could you
please create one which has a consistent blue color across the x-axis and make
it 5px high instead of 1?

After you commit the changes to our CVS (you have write acess AFAICT), I can
then double-check them out locally to make sure everything is OK and ask Mike to
make the final CVS changes live.

-d


-- 
Dimitris Glezos
Jabber ID: glezos at jabber.org, GPG: 0xA5A04C3B
http://dimitris.glezos.com/

"He who gives up functionality for ease of use
loses both and deserves neither." (Anonymous)
-- 



From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro  Thu Apr 26 14:18:28 2007
From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei)
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 17:18:28 +0300
Subject: static page for F7 release, new directions
In-Reply-To: <4630AD22.1070802@redhat.com>
References: <1177543802.4056.139.camel@erato.phig.org>	<46304794.4010700@nicubunu.ro>
	<4630AD22.1070802@redhat.com>
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Mike McGrath wrote:
> Nicu Buculei wrote:
>> - the page has very little in actual content, search engines don't 
>> have much to index, I think a short description (one paragraph) about 
>> what Fedora is would be very useful on that page.
> 
> It was discussed that we could have more than one page.  Probably a 
> download page or some such thing, an official about page wouldn't hurt, 
> it could be on the download page or on its own page.

I wanted to illustrate two things:
- a random visitor get to the page (following a link or whatever other 
means), with this mock-up his first reaction is "FTW if this Fedora 
thing?". The link "Why is Fedora 7 for me" is suboptimal because it a) 
answer a different question (why instead of what) and b) it require an 
additional click;
- http://www.google.com/search?q=fedora will display "The Fedora Project 
is a collection of projects sponsored by Red Hat, and developed as a 
partnership between the open source community and Red Hat engineers. 
..." under the link to the website. Google does not take this text from 
a meta tag, but from the text of the page. With the current mock-up, I 
don't know what Google will display, maybe "Copyright (c) 2003, 
2004,..." (as an alternative, Google can take the description from 
dmoz.org, but I am not sure under which circumstances).

-- 
nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com
Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/
Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org
my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro



From jdub2005 at gmail.com  Thu Apr 26 16:35:31 2007
From: jdub2005 at gmail.com (Kamisamanou Burgess)
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 11:35:31 -0500
Subject: "Fedora Planet" link on frontpage
Message-ID: <382cb7fb0704260935p8c692a7if555595282f6312b@mail.gmail.com>

I was wondering,why the "Fedora Planet" link took you to "Fedora People"?
Shouldn't this be changed?

-- 
Sayonara,
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Kamisamanou.net - http://www.kamisamanou.net
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From mmcgrath at redhat.com  Thu Apr 26 16:38:36 2007
From: mmcgrath at redhat.com (Mike McGrath)
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 11:38:36 -0500
Subject: "Fedora Planet" link on frontpage
In-Reply-To: <382cb7fb0704260935p8c692a7if555595282f6312b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <382cb7fb0704260935p8c692a7if555595282f6312b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4630D58C.6010102@redhat.com>

Kamisamanou Burgess wrote:
> I was wondering,why the "Fedora Planet" link took you to "Fedora People"?
> Shouldn't this be changed?
>
This was something that was inconsistent across our site.  Since many 
projects have a "planet.fedoraproject.org" Thomas decided to make the 
links consistent across the site.

    -Mike



From kwade at redhat.com  Thu Apr 26 17:10:12 2007
From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten Wade)
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 10:10:12 -0700
Subject: static page for F7 release, new directions
In-Reply-To: <1177543802.4056.139.camel@erato.phig.org>
References: <1177543802.4056.139.camel@erato.phig.org>
Message-ID: <1177607412.4056.172.camel@erato.phig.org>

Updated version of this initial mock-up at:

http://people.redhat.com/kwade/fedora/websites/images/main-page-redesign-0.1.1-black-text.png
http://people.redhat.com/kwade/fedora/websites/images/main-page-redesign-0.1.1.xcf

* New footer disclaimer text.
* More black text (save 
       and 
      )

Be fully aware -- M?ir?n has another CSS in her pocket, I just didn't
have it to work from.  This is one reason the XCF (GIMP) source file is
available; it's in layers to make it easy to wrap it in a new style.
So, what we are doing right now is getting some stuff out of the way
that we don't want, and narrowing our requirements for the next
iteration.

- Karsten
-- 
   Karsten Wade, 108 Editor       ^     Fedora Documentation Project 
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From ricky at fedoraproject.org  Thu Apr 26 17:32:18 2007
From: ricky at fedoraproject.org (Ricky Zhou)
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 13:32:18 -0400
Subject: Wiki Patch
In-Reply-To: <4630AE5F.603@glezos.com>
References: <462EDEF1.5060602@fedoraproject.org>		<462EFA5B.6030308@fedoraproject.org>
	<462FE46F.5070800@redhat.com>	<369bce3b0704251641n2c0a2eb6t6819d40de8367978@mail.gmail.com>
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Dimitris Glezos wrote:
> The new `wiki-sidebar-header.png` has slightly different colors than the
> original and the `repeat-y` property makes it look ragged. Ricky, could you
> please create one which has a consistent blue color across the x-axis and make
> it 5px high instead of 1?
Good catch- I was kind of lazy and just copied the image from a screen
capture.  I've changed the image on my test site and uploaded it to
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/RickyZhou/kindofblue.  To me, it looks
smoother (horizontally) than http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/, but it
could just be my screen/display, I guess.  Does it look right now?

> After you commit the changes to our CVS (you have write acess AFAICT), I can
> then double-check them out locally to make sure everything is OK and ask Mike to
> make the final CVS changes live.
Hmm..  I'm not sure about CVS access- I haven't taken any action to get
it (I just came here on Tuesday), and I don't think it's enabled by
default.

Thanks,
Ricky

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From tchung at fedoraproject.org  Thu Apr 26 18:09:04 2007
From: tchung at fedoraproject.org (Thomas Chung)
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 11:09:04 -0700
Subject: "Fedora Planet" link on frontpage
In-Reply-To: <4630D58C.6010102@redhat.com>
References: <382cb7fb0704260935p8c692a7if555595282f6312b@mail.gmail.com>
	<4630D58C.6010102@redhat.com>
Message-ID: <369bce3b0704261109h5dda78c9gbcd2f18fe89c9bf8@mail.gmail.com>

On 4/26/07, Mike McGrath  wrote:
> Kamisamanou Burgess wrote:
> > I was wondering,why the "Fedora Planet" link took you to "Fedora People"?
> > Shouldn't this be changed?
> >
> This was something that was inconsistent across our site.  Since many
> projects have a "planet.fedoraproject.org" Thomas decided to make the
> links consistent across the site.
>
>     -Mike

Also, we'll putting new image for "Planet Fedora" to be consistent.
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/DesignService
Right Mike?  :)
-- 
Thomas Chung
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung



From mmcgrath at redhat.com  Thu Apr 26 18:24:14 2007
From: mmcgrath at redhat.com (Mike McGrath)
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 13:24:14 -0500
Subject: "Fedora Planet" link on frontpage
In-Reply-To: <369bce3b0704261109h5dda78c9gbcd2f18fe89c9bf8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <382cb7fb0704260935p8c692a7if555595282f6312b@mail.gmail.com>	<4630D58C.6010102@redhat.com>
	<369bce3b0704261109h5dda78c9gbcd2f18fe89c9bf8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4630EE4E.4080401@redhat.com>

Thomas Chung wrote:
> Also, we'll putting new image for "Planet Fedora" to be consistent.
> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/DesignService
> Right Mike?  :)
Yep, just put it up :)

    -Mike



From tchung at fedoraproject.org  Thu Apr 26 18:37:04 2007
From: tchung at fedoraproject.org (Thomas Chung)
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 11:37:04 -0700
Subject: "Fedora Planet" link on frontpage
In-Reply-To: <4630EE4E.4080401@redhat.com>
References: <382cb7fb0704260935p8c692a7if555595282f6312b@mail.gmail.com>
	<4630D58C.6010102@redhat.com>
	<369bce3b0704261109h5dda78c9gbcd2f18fe89c9bf8@mail.gmail.com>
	<4630EE4E.4080401@redhat.com>
Message-ID: <369bce3b0704261137k22799f47g16b80b122885e6e0@mail.gmail.com>

On 4/26/07, Mike McGrath  wrote:
> Thomas Chung wrote:
> > Also, we'll putting new image for "Planet Fedora" to be consistent.
> > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/DesignService
> > Right Mike?  :)
> Yep, just put it up :)

Thank you Mike!
It's about time. :)

For those who don't see the changes, try reloading the brower.
http://planet.fedoraproject.org/

Regards,
-- 
Thomas Chung
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung



From holger-doerner at gmx.de  Thu Apr 26 19:23:45 2007
From: holger-doerner at gmx.de (Holger W. =?ISO-8859-1?Q?D=F6rner?=)
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 21:23:45 +0200
Subject: Page redirect
Message-ID: <1177615425.3199.7.camel@workstation-01.homenet>

I see that the page http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/HelpWanted is now
redirected forward to http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Join .

So, is it ok when I make a redirect from
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/de_DE/HilfeGesucht to
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/de_DE/Beitreten to keep that syncron?


Regards.
-- 
Holger W. D?rner
German Fedora Ambassador
( http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/HolgerDoerner )

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From tchung at fedoraproject.org  Thu Apr 26 20:24:25 2007
From: tchung at fedoraproject.org (Thomas Chung)
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 13:24:25 -0700
Subject: Page redirect
In-Reply-To: <1177615425.3199.7.camel@workstation-01.homenet>
References: <1177615425.3199.7.camel@workstation-01.homenet>
Message-ID: <369bce3b0704261324s6af91c35i5214fe01fecb59ff@mail.gmail.com>

On 4/26/07, Holger W. D?rner  wrote:
> I see that the page http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/HelpWanted is now
> redirected forward to http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Join .
>
> So, is it ok when I make a redirect from
> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/de_DE/HilfeGesucht to
> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/de_DE/Beitreten to keep that syncron?
>
>
> Regards.
> --
> Holger W. D?rner
> German Fedora Ambassador
> ( http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/HolgerDoerner )

+1

-- 
Thomas Chung
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung



From holger-doerner at gmx.de  Thu Apr 26 20:41:09 2007
From: holger-doerner at gmx.de (Holger W. =?ISO-8859-1?Q?D=F6rner?=)
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 22:41:09 +0200
Subject: Page redirect
In-Reply-To: <369bce3b0704261324s6af91c35i5214fe01fecb59ff@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1177615425.3199.7.camel@workstation-01.homenet>
	<369bce3b0704261324s6af91c35i5214fe01fecb59ff@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1177620069.3199.9.camel@workstation-01.homenet>

Am Donnerstag, den 26.04.2007, 13:24 -0700 schrieb Thomas Chung:
> On 4/26/07, Holger W. Drner  wrote:
> > I see that the page http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/HelpWanted is now
> > redirected forward to http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Join .
> >
> > So, is it ok when I make a redirect from
> > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/de_DE/HilfeGesucht to
> > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/de_DE/Beitreten to keep that syncron?
> >
> >
> > Regards.
> > --
> > Holger W. Drner
> > German Fedora Ambassador
> > ( http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/HolgerDoerner )
> 
> +1
> 
> -- 
> Thomas Chung
> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung

Thanks, it's done.


Regards,
-- 
Holger W. D?rner
German Fedora Ambassador
( http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/HolgerDoerner )

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From sundaram at fedoraproject.org  Fri Apr 27 06:00:15 2007
From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 11:30:15 +0530
Subject: "Fedora Planet" link on frontpage
In-Reply-To: <369bce3b0704261137k22799f47g16b80b122885e6e0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <382cb7fb0704260935p8c692a7if555595282f6312b@mail.gmail.com>	<4630D58C.6010102@redhat.com>	<369bce3b0704261109h5dda78c9gbcd2f18fe89c9bf8@mail.gmail.com>	<4630EE4E.4080401@redhat.com>
	<369bce3b0704261137k22799f47g16b80b122885e6e0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4631916F.5070308@fedoraproject.org>

Thomas Chung wrote:
> On 4/26/07, Mike McGrath  wrote:
>> Thomas Chung wrote:
>> > Also, we'll putting new image for "Planet Fedora" to be consistent.
>> > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/DesignService
>> > Right Mike?  :)
>> Yep, just put it up :)
> 
> Thank you Mike!
> It's about time. :)
> 
> For those who don't see the changes, try reloading the brower.
> http://planet.fedoraproject.org/

Mike, Can you set a permanent redirect from 
http://fedoraproject.org/people/ to http://planet.fedoraproject.org?

Also consider http://fedoraproject.org/wiki to 
http://wiki.fedoraproject.org if we are going with Plone for frontpage 
content.

Rahul



From stickster at gmail.com  Fri Apr 27 15:20:02 2007
From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 11:20:02 -0400
Subject: static page for F7 release, new directions
In-Reply-To: <1177543802.4056.139.camel@erato.phig.org>
References: <1177543802.4056.139.camel@erato.phig.org>
Message-ID: <1177687202.4321.13.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Wed, 2007-04-25 at 16:30 -0700, Karsten Wade wrote:
> For the Fedora 7 release, we are going to be using a static set of pages
> for the front of fedoraproject.org.  For those of you who remember the
> Fedora Core 6 release and how hammered the Wiki was, you'll be happy
> that we can rest a bit easier for the coming release.
> 
> Here is a *mock-up* using current styling, based on some existing
> conversations (source image below[1]); it is put forth for discussion on
> this list:
> 
> http://people.redhat.com/~kwade/fedora/websites/images/main-page-redesign-0.1.png
> 
> Really, it's just a starting point for conversation.  I expect all ya'll
> to speak up. :)

Me likey, except for the "7" in the top graphic banner.  We should
minimize per-release changes like this, and the "Get Fedora 7" is
prominent enough no one will mistake which one we're on at the
moment. :-)

-- 
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From wilmer at fedoraproject.org  Fri Apr 27 22:30:55 2007
From: wilmer at fedoraproject.org (Wilmer Jaramillo M.)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 18:30:55 -0400
Subject: static page for F7 release, new directions
In-Reply-To: <1177607412.4056.172.camel@erato.phig.org>
References: <1177543802.4056.139.camel@erato.phig.org>
	<1177607412.4056.172.camel@erato.phig.org>
Message-ID: <2b26c4260704271530h2158105bkf87cefc1f9855030@mail.gmail.com>

On 4/26/07, Karsten Wade  wrote:
> Updated version of this initial mock-up at:
>
>http://people.redhat.com/kwade/fedora/websites/images/main-page-redesign-0.1.1-black-text.png
>http://people.redhat.com/kwade/fedora/websites/images/main-page-redesign-0.1.1.xcf

Where say "Get Fedora 7" I propose to use a "download button", here I
have made a proff of design for evaluation:
http://www.fedora-ve.org/fc7/button-crystal.png
http://www.fedora-ve.org/fc7/button-crystal.svg

> * New footer disclaimer text.
> * More black text (save 
       and 
      )

Above of "Get Fedora 7" should be Release Notes, Requeriments, Arch. etc.

Greetings.

-- 
Wilmer Jaramillo M.
GPG Key Fingerprint = 0666 D0D3 24CE 8935 9C24 BBF1 87DD BEA2 A4B2 1E8A



From wilmer at fedoraproject.org  Sat Apr 28 01:02:37 2007
From: wilmer at fedoraproject.org (Wilmer Jaramillo M.)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 21:02:37 -0400
Subject: Fedora Wallpaper
Message-ID: <2b26c4260704271802x34eeef40mbbe202baefb7b28b@mail.gmail.com>

A wallpaper of a girl of the Fedora Venezuelan Community:
http://www.tatica.org/tux/fedo_cube.png

-- 
Wilmer Jaramillo M.
GPG Key Fingerprint = 0666 D0D3 24CE 8935 9C24 BBF1 87DD BEA2 A4B2 1E8A



From wilmer at fedoraproject.org  Sat Apr 28 01:12:19 2007
From: wilmer at fedoraproject.org (Wilmer Jaramillo M.)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 21:12:19 -0400
Subject: Fedora Wallpaper
In-Reply-To: <2b26c4260704271802x34eeef40mbbe202baefb7b28b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2b26c4260704271802x34eeef40mbbe202baefb7b28b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2b26c4260704271812h6a546addv64a10ae6908cdb77@mail.gmail.com>

Other wallpaper of same girl:
http://www.tatica.org/tux/JKHP_fedora1600.jpg


-- 
Wilmer Jaramillo M.
GPG Key Fingerprint = 0666 D0D3 24CE 8935 9C24 BBF1 87DD BEA2 A4B2 1E8A



From jdub2005 at gmail.com  Sat Apr 28 04:15:26 2007
From: jdub2005 at gmail.com (Kamisamanou Burgess)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 23:15:26 -0500
Subject: Fedora Wallpaper (Possible Mascot)
Message-ID: <382cb7fb0704272115p79102623rfa48b61d13c8e4e@mail.gmail.com>

It seems that if one could get in contact with this artist, their might be a
possible fedora mascot here.

On 4/27/07, Wilmer Jaramillo M.  wrote:
>
> Other wallpaper of same girl:
> http://www.tatica.org/tux/JKHP_fedora1600.jpg
>
>
> --
> Wilmer Jaramillo M.
> GPG Key Fingerprint = 0666 D0D3 24CE 8935 9C24 BBF1 87DD BEA2 A4B2 1E8A
>
> --
> Fedora-websites-list mailing list
> Fedora-websites-list at redhat.com
> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-websites-list
>



-- 
Sayonara,
Kamisamanou Burgess
Kamisamanou.net - http://www.kamisamanou.net
ClubFBC - http://www.clubfbc.com
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From pemboa at gmail.com  Sat Apr 28 04:18:56 2007
From: pemboa at gmail.com (Arthur Pemberton)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 23:18:56 -0500
Subject: Fedora Wallpaper (Possible Mascot)
In-Reply-To: <382cb7fb0704272115p79102623rfa48b61d13c8e4e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <382cb7fb0704272115p79102623rfa48b61d13c8e4e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <16de708d0704272118g1f003682xf72b50ac63361b78@mail.gmail.com>

I like it, especially if the artist can maintain the decent/modest dressing


On 4/27/07, Kamisamanou Burgess  wrote:
> It seems that if one could get in contact with this artist, their might be a
> possible fedora mascot here.
>
> On 4/27/07, Wilmer Jaramillo M. < wilmer at fedoraproject.org> wrote:
> > Other wallpaper of same girl:
> > http://www.tatica.org/tux/JKHP_fedora1600.jpg
> >
> >
> > --
> > Wilmer Jaramillo M.
> > GPG Key Fingerprint = 0666 D0D3 24CE 8935 9C24 BBF1 87DD BEA2 A4B2 1E8A
> >
> > --
> > Fedora-websites-list mailing list
> > Fedora-websites-list at redhat.com
> >
> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-websites-list
> >
>
>
>
>  --
> Sayonara,
> Kamisamanou Burgess
> Kamisamanou.net - http://www.kamisamanou.net
> ClubFBC - http://www.clubfbc.com
> --
> Fedora-websites-list mailing list
> Fedora-websites-list at redhat.com
> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-websites-list
>
>


-- 
Fedora Core 6 and proud



From jdub2005 at gmail.com  Sat Apr 28 04:24:46 2007
From: jdub2005 at gmail.com (Kamisamanou Burgess)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 23:24:46 -0500
Subject: Fedora Wallpaper (Possible Mascot)
In-Reply-To: <16de708d0704272118g1f003682xf72b50ac63361b78@mail.gmail.com>
References: <382cb7fb0704272115p79102623rfa48b61d13c8e4e@mail.gmail.com>
	<16de708d0704272118g1f003682xf72b50ac63361b78@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <382cb7fb0704272124p30e4db0dubd5d72c88976ccdc@mail.gmail.com>

I agree. And it would be very modifiable since the hat, staff, and the "F"
on the jacket could be used as identifiers of the mascot.

On 4/27/07, Arthur Pemberton  wrote:
>
> I like it, especially if the artist can maintain the decent/modest
> dressing
>
>
> On 4/27/07, Kamisamanou Burgess  wrote:
> > It seems that if one could get in contact with this artist, their might
> be a
> > possible fedora mascot here.
> >
> > On 4/27/07, Wilmer Jaramillo M. < wilmer at fedoraproject.org> wrote:
> > > Other wallpaper of same girl:
> > > http://www.tatica.org/tux/JKHP_fedora1600.jpg
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Wilmer Jaramillo M.
> > > GPG Key Fingerprint = 0666 D0D3 24CE 8935 9C24 BBF1 87DD BEA2 A4B2
> 1E8A
> > >
> > > --
> > > Fedora-websites-list mailing list
> > > Fedora-websites-list at redhat.com
> > >
> > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-websites-list
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >  --
> > Sayonara,
> > Kamisamanou Burgess
> > Kamisamanou.net - http://www.kamisamanou.net
> > ClubFBC - http://www.clubfbc.com
> > --
> > Fedora-websites-list mailing list
> > Fedora-websites-list at redhat.com
> > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-websites-list
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> Fedora Core 6 and proud
>
> --
> Fedora-websites-list mailing list
> Fedora-websites-list at redhat.com
> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-websites-list
>



-- 
Sayonara,
Kamisamanou Burgess
Kamisamanou.net - http://www.kamisamanou.net
ClubFBC - http://www.clubfbc.com
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From pemboa at gmail.com  Sat Apr 28 04:55:40 2007
From: pemboa at gmail.com (Arthur Pemberton)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 23:55:40 -0500
Subject: Fedora Wallpaper (Possible Mascot)
In-Reply-To: <382cb7fb0704272124p30e4db0dubd5d72c88976ccdc@mail.gmail.com>
References: <382cb7fb0704272115p79102623rfa48b61d13c8e4e@mail.gmail.com>
	<16de708d0704272118g1f003682xf72b50ac63361b78@mail.gmail.com>
	<382cb7fb0704272124p30e4db0dubd5d72c88976ccdc@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <16de708d0704272155v54f0e6emc8dab0085b1fd99f@mail.gmail.com>

Any luck so far?

On 4/27/07, Kamisamanou Burgess  wrote:
> I agree. And it would be very modifiable since the hat, staff, and the "F"
> on the jacket could be used as identifiers of the mascot.
>
>
> On 4/27/07, Arthur Pemberton  wrote:
> > I like it, especially if the artist can maintain the decent/modest
> dressing
> >
> >
> > On 4/27/07, Kamisamanou Burgess  wrote:
> > > It seems that if one could get in contact with this artist, their might
> be a
> > > possible fedora mascot here.
> > >
> > > On 4/27/07, Wilmer Jaramillo M. < wilmer at fedoraproject.org> wrote:
> > > > Other wallpaper of same girl:
> > > > http://www.tatica.org/tux/JKHP_fedora1600.jpg
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Wilmer Jaramillo M.
> > > > GPG Key Fingerprint = 0666 D0D3 24CE 8935 9C24 BBF1 87DD BEA2 A4B2
> 1E8A
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Fedora-websites-list mailing list
> > > > Fedora-websites-list at redhat.com
> > > >
> > >
> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-websites-list
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >  --
> > > Sayonara,
> > > Kamisamanou Burgess
> > > Kamisamanou.net - http://www.kamisamanou.net
> > > ClubFBC - http://www.clubfbc.com
> > > --
> > > Fedora-websites-list mailing list
> > > Fedora-websites-list at redhat.com
> > >
> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-websites-list
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Fedora Core 6 and proud
> >
> > --
> > Fedora-websites-list mailing list
> > Fedora-websites-list at redhat.com
> >
> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-websites-list
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Sayonara,
> Kamisamanou Burgess
> Kamisamanou.net - http://www.kamisamanou.net
> ClubFBC - http://www.clubfbc.com
> --
> Fedora-websites-list mailing list
> Fedora-websites-list at redhat.com
> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-websites-list
>
>


-- 
Fedora Core 6 and proud



From jdub2005 at gmail.com  Sat Apr 28 04:59:27 2007
From: jdub2005 at gmail.com (Kamisamanou Burgess)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 23:59:27 -0500
Subject: Fedora Wallpaper (Possible Mascot)
In-Reply-To: <16de708d0704272155v54f0e6emc8dab0085b1fd99f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <382cb7fb0704272115p79102623rfa48b61d13c8e4e@mail.gmail.com>
	<16de708d0704272118g1f003682xf72b50ac63361b78@mail.gmail.com>
	<382cb7fb0704272124p30e4db0dubd5d72c88976ccdc@mail.gmail.com>
	<16de708d0704272155v54f0e6emc8dab0085b1fd99f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <382cb7fb0704272159i5a52dae1u524443e1645c38d6@mail.gmail.com>

Apparently the actual artist has a deviantart account. I have one as well,
so I have sent her a message requesting that she visit the Fedora Mascot
page and let me know if she's interested.

On 4/27/07, Arthur Pemberton  wrote:
>
> Any luck so far?
>
> On 4/27/07, Kamisamanou Burgess  wrote:
> > I agree. And it would be very modifiable since the hat, staff, and the
> "F"
> > on the jacket could be used as identifiers of the mascot.
> >
> >
> > On 4/27/07, Arthur Pemberton  wrote:
> > > I like it, especially if the artist can maintain the decent/modest
> > dressing
> > >
> > >
> > > On 4/27/07, Kamisamanou Burgess  wrote:
> > > > It seems that if one could get in contact with this artist, their
> might
> > be a
> > > > possible fedora mascot here.
> > > >
> > > > On 4/27/07, Wilmer Jaramillo M. < wilmer at fedoraproject.org> wrote:
> > > > > Other wallpaper of same girl:
> > > > > http://www.tatica.org/tux/JKHP_fedora1600.jpg
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Wilmer Jaramillo M.
> > > > > GPG Key Fingerprint = 0666 D0D3 24CE 8935 9C24 BBF1 87DD BEA2 A4B2
> > 1E8A
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Fedora-websites-list mailing list
> > > > > Fedora-websites-list at redhat.com
> > > > >
> > > >
> > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-websites-list
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >  --
> > > > Sayonara,
> > > > Kamisamanou Burgess
> > > > Kamisamanou.net - http://www.kamisamanou.net
> > > > ClubFBC - http://www.clubfbc.com
> > > > --
> > > > Fedora-websites-list mailing list
> > > > Fedora-websites-list at redhat.com
> > > >
> > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-websites-list
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Fedora Core 6 and proud
> > >
> > > --
> > > Fedora-websites-list mailing list
> > > Fedora-websites-list at redhat.com
> > >
> > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-websites-list
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Sayonara,
> > Kamisamanou Burgess
> > Kamisamanou.net - http://www.kamisamanou.net
> > ClubFBC - http://www.clubfbc.com
> > --
> > Fedora-websites-list mailing list
> > Fedora-websites-list at redhat.com
> > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-websites-list
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> Fedora Core 6 and proud
>
> --
> Fedora-websites-list mailing list
> Fedora-websites-list at redhat.com
> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-websites-list
>



-- 
Sayonara,
Kamisamanou Burgess
Kamisamanou.net - http://www.kamisamanou.net
ClubFBC - http://www.clubfbc.com
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From mmcgrath at redhat.com  Sun Apr 29 23:07:23 2007
From: mmcgrath at redhat.com (Mike McGrath)
Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2007 18:07:23 -0500
Subject: Plone rollout
Message-ID: <4635252B.4090300@redhat.com>

Ok, so it sounds like we're all in agreement.  Lets setup what has to be 
done.  Fedora 7 GA release is on May 24th.  Less then a month.  I'd like 
to have our page get released a week before if possible, on May 17th.  
My hopes are that we can give a fresh new look the site and digg it.  It 
will be a good load test before it really counts.

One thing we need to remember is that many of the RH folks, including 
myself, will be at the summit during a portion of the next month.  
(http://www.redhat.com/summit)

What can we get done say... by the end of the week?

    -Mike



From tchung at fedoraproject.org  Mon Apr 30 05:22:35 2007
From: tchung at fedoraproject.org (Thomas Chung)
Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2007 22:22:35 -0700
Subject: Plone rollout
In-Reply-To: <4635252B.4090300@redhat.com>
References: <4635252B.4090300@redhat.com>
Message-ID: <369bce3b0704292222s7f160a06va558415831dc03b2@mail.gmail.com>

On 4/29/07, Mike McGrath  wrote:
> Ok, so it sounds like we're all in agreement.  Lets setup what has to be
> done.  Fedora 7 GA release is on May 24th.  Less then a month.  I'd like
> to have our page get released a week before if possible, on May 17th.
> My hopes are that we can give a fresh new look the site and digg it.  It
> will be a good load test before it really counts.
>
> One thing we need to remember is that many of the RH folks, including
> myself, will be at the summit during a portion of the next month.
> (http://www.redhat.com/summit)
>
> What can we get done say... by the end of the week?
>
>     -Mike

++1
Sooner the better.
Regards,
-- 
Thomas Chung
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung



From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro  Mon Apr 30 06:01:01 2007
From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 09:01:01 +0300
Subject: Fedora Wallpaper
In-Reply-To: <2b26c4260704271802x34eeef40mbbe202baefb7b28b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2b26c4260704271802x34eeef40mbbe202baefb7b28b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4635861D.4090100@nicubunu.ro>

Wilmer Jaramillo M. wrote:
> A wallpaper of a girl of the Fedora Venezuelan Community:
> http://www.tatica.org/tux/fedo_cube.png

Nice work!
It seems she sampled by bubble, so I am proud to be useful: 
http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/artwork/logo/3d_bubble.svg

Is she interested in joining the Art Team? 
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/

-- 
nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com
Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/
Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org
my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro



From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro  Mon Apr 30 06:04:38 2007
From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 09:04:38 +0300
Subject: Fedora Wallpaper
In-Reply-To: <2b26c4260704271812h6a546addv64a10ae6908cdb77@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2b26c4260704271802x34eeef40mbbe202baefb7b28b@mail.gmail.com>
	<2b26c4260704271812h6a546addv64a10ae6908cdb77@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <463586F6.5000500@nicubunu.ro>

Wilmer Jaramillo M. wrote:
> Other wallpaper of same girl:
> http://www.tatica.org/tux/JKHP_fedora1600.jpg

I'm afraid this one is made by another girl [1] from Italy and the 
original is hosted here on deviantART: 
http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/28920609/


[1] - http://juzo-kun.deviantart.com/

-- 
nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com
Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/
Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org
my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro



From lunitik at gmail.com  Mon Apr 30 09:47:14 2007
From: lunitik at gmail.com (Francis Earl)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 02:47:14 -0700
Subject: Wiki starting points? Drafts...
Message-ID: <1177926434.9573.2.camel@thabox.home>

I originally posted this to fedora-docs-list not knowing that was the
wrong place for it... this is a copy and paste as I believe this list is
more the correct place:

I'm looking for somewhere to get started on the wiki, and I'm not sure
where to proceed?

This lead me to the Drafts wiki page, am I free to edit these pages as I
see fit? What is the etiquette here?

Just looking briefly at the "Getting Started" page, I believe a few
improvements could be made. It's overtone is very professional, which is
intimidating. I also think things like Graphic User Interface and Window
Manager should provide links to wikipedia so the user can learn more
about the topic if they wish. Wikipedia is provided in the Free Content
bookmarks folder in Fedora 7t4, so I don't think that would be an issue?
I think the wiki is the wrong place to try and explain such things
though.

Also, I don't see a way to upload images? There is a saying "a picture
tells a thousand words", and I believe it's true. I don't even see a way
to add images though? Screenshots (of a particular section of relevance
on the desktop) would greatly clarify what things say, and provide an
air of confidence for the user "I must be doing it right, it looks the
same".

Just some thoughts...
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From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro  Mon Apr 30 10:01:53 2007
From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 13:01:53 +0300
Subject: Wiki starting points? Drafts...
In-Reply-To: <1177926434.9573.2.camel@thabox.home>
References: <1177926434.9573.2.camel@thabox.home>
Message-ID: <4635BE91.6090503@nicubunu.ro>

Francis Earl wrote:
> I originally posted this to fedora-docs-list not knowing that was the
> wrong place for it... this is a copy and paste as I believe this list is
> more the correct place:
> 
> I'm looking for somewhere to get started on the wiki, and I'm not sure
> where to proceed?

You can play in the sandbox: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/WikiSandBox 
or view the code of any page to use as example.

> Just looking briefly at the "Getting Started" page, I believe a few
> improvements could be made. It's overtone is very professional, which is
> intimidating. I also think things like Graphic User Interface and Window
> Manager should provide links to wikipedia so the user can learn more
> about the topic if they wish. Wikipedia is provided in the Free Content
> bookmarks folder in Fedora 7t4, so I don't think that would be an issue?
> I think the wiki is the wrong place to try and explain such things
> though.

I used in some of my pages links to Wikipedia, so don't see a problem 
with that.
Consider adding at the bottom of the page a "References" section and 
list there links for further reading, but I don't think any term have to 
be referenced, the Wiki is not for complete newbies (IMHO).

> Also, I don't see a way to upload images? There is a saying "a picture
> tells a thousand words", and I believe it's true. I don't even see a way
> to add images though? Screenshots (of a particular section of relevance
> on the desktop) would greatly clarify what things say, and provide an
> air of confidence for the user "I must be doing it right, it looks the
> same".

Use "Attachments" in the right menu to upload and attachment:filename to 
include the attachment in your page.


-- 
nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com
Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/
Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org
my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro



From sundaram at fedoraproject.org  Mon Apr 30 10:11:20 2007
From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 15:41:20 +0530
Subject: Wiki starting points? Drafts...
In-Reply-To: <1177926434.9573.2.camel@thabox.home>
References: <1177926434.9573.2.camel@thabox.home>
Message-ID: <4635C0C8.1030304@fedoraproject.org>

Francis Earl wrote:
> I originally posted this to fedora-docs-list not knowing that was the
> wrong place for it... this is a copy and paste as I believe this list is
> more the correct place:
> 
> I'm looking for somewhere to get started on the wiki, and I'm not sure
> where to proceed?
> 
> This lead me to the Drafts wiki page, am I free to edit these pages as I
> see fit? What is the etiquette here?

Yes you can but if you are making large changes either post to 
fedora-docs list or talk to the authors enlisted. Do the changes 
incrementally so folks can revert if necessary.

> Just looking briefly at the "Getting Started" page, I believe a few
> improvements could be made. It's overtone is very professional, which is
> intimidating. I also think things like Graphic User Interface and Window
> Manager should provide links to wikipedia so the user can learn more
> about the topic if they wish. Wikipedia is provided in the Free Content
> bookmarks folder in Fedora 7t4, so I don't think that would be an issue?
> I think the wiki is the wrong place to try and explain such things
> though.

You can add some minimal links where useful
> 
> Also, I don't see a way to upload images? There is a saying "a picture
> tells a thousand words", and I believe it's true. I don't even see a way
> to add images though? Screenshots (of a particular section of relevance
> on the desktop) would greatly clarify what things say, and provide an
> air of confidence for the user "I must be doing it right, it looks the
> same".

Screenshots are a double edged sword at times. They make it hard for 
translation. They are harder to keep updated. You can see some 
discussions on appropriate usages in fedora docs list.

Rahul



From lunitik at gmail.com  Mon Apr 30 11:18:48 2007
From: lunitik at gmail.com (Francis Earl)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 04:18:48 -0700
Subject: Wiki starting points? Drafts...
In-Reply-To: <4635BE91.6090503@nicubunu.ro>
References: <1177926434.9573.2.camel@thabox.home>
	<4635BE91.6090503@nicubunu.ro>
Message-ID: <1177931928.10092.3.camel@thabox.home>

On Mon, 2007-04-30 at 13:01 +0300, Nicu Buculei wrote:
> Francis Earl wrote:
> > I originally posted this to fedora-docs-list not knowing that was the
> > wrong place for it... this is a copy and paste as I believe this list is
> > more the correct place:
> > 
> > I'm looking for somewhere to get started on the wiki, and I'm not sure
> > where to proceed?
> 
> You can play in the sandbox: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/WikiSandBox 
> or view the code of any page to use as example.

That seems like a good source for figuring out some more codes, thank
you. It doesn't really seem like a place to really get started though, I
was more meaning pages to start adding content to.

> > Just looking briefly at the "Getting Started" page, I believe a few
> > improvements could be made. It's overtone is very professional, which is
> > intimidating. I also think things like Graphic User Interface and Window
> > Manager should provide links to wikipedia so the user can learn more
> > about the topic if they wish. Wikipedia is provided in the Free Content
> > bookmarks folder in Fedora 7t4, so I don't think that would be an issue?
> > I think the wiki is the wrong place to try and explain such things
> > though.
> 
> I used in some of my pages links to Wikipedia, so don't see a problem 
> with that.
> Consider adding at the bottom of the page a "References" section and 
> list there links for further reading, but I don't think any term have to 
> be referenced, the Wiki is not for complete newbies (IMHO).

I think it should be informative and accurate, but the language needn't
be so textbook like... I don't know, that's just my own opinion, maybe
others don't agree?

> > Also, I don't see a way to upload images? There is a saying "a picture
> > tells a thousand words", and I believe it's true. I don't even see a way
> > to add images though? Screenshots (of a particular section of relevance
> > on the desktop) would greatly clarify what things say, and provide an
> > air of confidence for the user "I must be doing it right, it looks the
> > same".

I can see this on the sandbox page also, great link, thank you for
pointing it out  :)
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From lunitik at gmail.com  Mon Apr 30 11:22:09 2007
From: lunitik at gmail.com (Francis Earl)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 04:22:09 -0700
Subject: Wiki starting points? Drafts...
In-Reply-To: <4635C0C8.1030304@fedoraproject.org>
References: <1177926434.9573.2.camel@thabox.home>
	<4635C0C8.1030304@fedoraproject.org>
Message-ID: <1177932129.10092.6.camel@thabox.home>

On Mon, 2007-04-30 at 15:41 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> Francis Earl wrote:
> > I originally posted this to fedora-docs-list not knowing that was the
> > wrong place for it... this is a copy and paste as I believe this list is
> > more the correct place:
> > 
> > I'm looking for somewhere to get started on the wiki, and I'm not sure
> > where to proceed?
> > 
> > This lead me to the Drafts wiki page, am I free to edit these pages as I
> > see fit? What is the etiquette here?
> 
> Yes you can but if you are making large changes either post to 
> fedora-docs list or talk to the authors enlisted. Do the changes 
> incrementally so folks can revert if necessary.
> 
> > Just looking briefly at the "Getting Started" page, I believe a few
> > improvements could be made. It's overtone is very professional, which is
> > intimidating. I also think things like Graphic User Interface and Window
> > Manager should provide links to wikipedia so the user can learn more
> > about the topic if they wish. Wikipedia is provided in the Free Content
> > bookmarks folder in Fedora 7t4, so I don't think that would be an issue?
> > I think the wiki is the wrong place to try and explain such things
> > though.
> 
> You can add some minimal links where useful

Sounds good, thank you... I'm mainly talking about things like my
example, better explanations of things for those interested.

> > Also, I don't see a way to upload images? There is a saying "a picture
> > tells a thousand words", and I believe it's true. I don't even see a way
> > to add images though? Screenshots (of a particular section of relevance
> > on the desktop) would greatly clarify what things say, and provide an
> > air of confidence for the user "I must be doing it right, it looks the
> > same".
> 
> Screenshots are a double edged sword at times. They make it hard for 
> translation. They are harder to keep updated. You can see some 
> discussions on appropriate usages in fedora docs list.

I didn't really think about that... I'll see what I can find about it.
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From jdub2005 at gmail.com  Mon Apr 30 15:02:11 2007
From: jdub2005 at gmail.com (Kamisamanou Burgess)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 10:02:11 -0500
Subject: Fedora Wallpaper
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I am actually quite aware of that.

On 4/30/07, Nicu Buculei  wrote:
>
> Wilmer Jaramillo M. wrote:
> > Other wallpaper of same girl:
> > http://www.tatica.org/tux/JKHP_fedora1600.jpg
>
> I'm afraid this one is made by another girl [1] from Italy and the
> original is hosted here on deviantART:
> http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/28920609/
>
>
> [1] - http://juzo-kun.deviantart.com/
>
> --
> nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com
> Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/
> Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org
> my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro
>
> --
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> Fedora-websites-list at redhat.com
> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-websites-list
>



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From jdub2005 at gmail.com  Mon Apr 30 15:06:39 2007
From: jdub2005 at gmail.com (Kamisamanou Burgess)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 10:06:39 -0500
Subject: Fedora Wallpaper/Mascot
Message-ID: <382cb7fb0704300806l105002a2w6fd26ac2c9d80490@mail.gmail.com>

I noticed somewhere on her page that she typically doesn't respond to
e-mails immediately, so we may be waiting a week or so before we hear from
her.

On 4/30/07, Kamisamanou Burgess  wrote:
>
> I am actually quite aware of that.
>
> On 4/30/07, Nicu Buculei >
> wrote:
> >
> > Wilmer Jaramillo M. wrote:
> > > Other wallpaper of same girl:
> > > http://www.tatica.org/tux/JKHP_fedora1600.jpg
> >
> > I'm afraid this one is made by another girl [1] from Italy and the
> > original is hosted here on deviantART:
> > http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/28920609/
> >
> >
> > [1] - http://juzo-kun.deviantart.com/
> >
> > --
> > nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com
> > Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/
> > Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org
> > my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro
> >
> > --
> > Fedora-websites-list mailing list
> > Fedora-websites-list at redhat.com
> > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-websites-list
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Sayonara,
> Kamisamanou Burgess
> Kamisamanou.net - http://www.kamisamanou.net
> ClubFBC - http://www.clubfbc.com




-- 
Sayonara,
Kamisamanou Burgess
Kamisamanou.net - http://www.kamisamanou.net
ClubFBC - http://www.clubfbc.com
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From wilmer at fedoraproject.org  Mon Apr 30 15:56:46 2007
From: wilmer at fedoraproject.org (Wilmer Jaramillo M.)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 11:56:46 -0400
Subject: Fedora Wallpaper
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On 4/30/07, Nicu Buculei  wrote:
> Wilmer Jaramillo M. wrote:
> > Other wallpaper of same girl:
> > http://www.tatica.org/tux/JKHP_fedora1600.jpg
>
> I'm afraid this one is made by another girl [1] from Italy and the
> original is hosted here on deviantART:
> http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/28920609/

Yes, that is true, she's author only of
http://www.tatica.org/tux/fedo_cube.png and others on you web site.

-- 
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